$TITLE

Apache/1.3.26 Server at spam.umiacs.umd.edu Port 80 · Last updated $TODAY

stuff, converting all the <, >, etc.. symbols, spaces, but then you're set.  If I get
some time soon, I'll try and post the code.  If not, email me directly.

Bob




From chris at joinco.ca  Sun Jul  7 02:10:00 2002
From: chris at joinco.ca (Chris O'Neill)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 18:10:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership List
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020706162906.009e6160@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <3D25DCEB.63BCD97C@joinco.ca>
Message-ID: <3D273278.6083.476022C@localhost>

DUH!!!!  Silly me!  I was looking for a complex solution when, all the time, a simple 
one was available!

Thanks, Bob!  I'm sure I can cobble-up something using list_members in a cron job.

Regards,

Chris

On 6 Jul 2002 at 16:30, Bob Weissman wrote:

> Mailing list database files are not human readable. For this purpose, you
> want to use the ~mailman/bin/list_members command.
> 
> - Bob
> 
> 
> At 10:52 AM 7/5/02, you wrote:
> >Can someone please tell me the location of the file(s) containing the list
> >of members to the mailing list(s), and whether this file is human
> >readable?  I'd like to use this file to:
> >
> >1.  create a back-up in another location, in case the system crashes
> >2.  e-mail the list of members to the list-owner(s) once in awhile (via
> >cron) so that they can keep a back-up on their system as well, if they
> >wish
> >
> >I've hunted high and low, and can't seem to find the file containing the
> >membership list.  Must be getting old, I guess.  :-)  Any and all help
> >would be appreciated, including suggestions on how to accomplish the above
> >if there's another way.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Chris
-------------------------------------------------
Chris O'Neill (chris at joinco.ca)
Joinco Enterprises Inc., Edmonton, AB Canada
Web:  http://www.joinco.ca






From rbs at snippets.org  Sun Jul  7 03:52:59 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:52:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, ~ Kyle Nash ~ wrote:

> One of the list hosts I'm on has the following statement at the very
> top of the "Subscribers" list :
>
>                                (1 private member not shown)
>
> What exactly does that mean, and how does one become a "private member"?

It means that that subscriber has selected the "Hide" option.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Jul  7 08:47:56 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 23:47:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Membership List 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Chris O'Neill"  
   of "Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:43 MDT." <3D25DCEB.63BCD97C@joinco.ca> 
References: <3D25DCEB.63BCD97C@joinco.ca> 
Message-ID: <26339.1026024476@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:52:43 -0600 
Chris O'Neill  wrote:

> Can someone please tell me the location of the file(s) containing the
> list of members to the mailing list(s), and whether this file is human
> readable?  

~/lists//config.db.  Its not particularly human readable.

> I'd like to use this file to:
> 1.  create a back-up in another location, in case the system crashes
> 2.  e-mail the list of members to the list-owner(s) once in awhile
> (via cron) so that they can keep a back-up on their system as well, if
> they wish

Please see the FAQ:

   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

and:

  ~/bin/list_members

For some details on how this could be done.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From aflist at gci.net  Sun Jul  7 09:43:52 2002
From: aflist at gci.net (Andy Firman)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:43:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no messages being delivered
Message-ID: 

Install was fine and test list created just fine.  Owner of the list
was notified and that email showed up fine.
All messages going to the list seem to get queued
and they NEVER come out.  This is what I have going on:

Redhat 7.2   Kernel 2.4.18  Python 1.5.2  Mailman 2.0.12  Sendmail 8.11.6

This is from my $prefix/logs/error file:

qrunner(23801):Traceback (innermost last):
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
kids = main(lock)
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in
dispose_message mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
line 123, in ParseMailCommands precedence = msg.get('precedence',
'').lower()
qrunner(23801): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

What am I doing wrong?  I am lost.

(please be gentle if its python or sendmail....I know nothing about
python and well...you know.... it's sendmail :-(

-Andy






From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Sun Jul  7 18:54:07 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Line wrapping in archives.
In-Reply-To: <96.28e6db5b.2a58b4d9@aol.com>
References: <96.28e6db5b.2a58b4d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20020707165407.GB7150@hq.newdream.net>

Topaz11green at aol.com wrote:
> 
> After I posted this, I found the thread on "long lines". However, I
> don't want to change the way mail is sent, I just want to change how
> messages appear in the archives.
> 
> I understand that MHonArc can handle this, but I use pipermail for my
> archives.
> 
> So, these are two separate issues. 
> 
> The reason given in the other thread - line wrapped URLs won't work -
> is not valid on an HTML page. So, for the archives, it seems like a
> good thing to wrap the message body to avoid horizontal scrolling.
> 
> If anyone has managed to make this happen, your help would be much
> appreciated!

you could pipe the archives through fmt or par, perhaps.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From admin at truthout.com  Sun Jul  7 22:11:59 2002
From: admin at truthout.com (Marc Ash)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need an installer -- will pay.
Message-ID: 

Mailman Team,
We have an Linux Apache server and are trying to get Mailman up and running.  I am not proficent with command line server interaction.

Is there someone who could jump in and get the process on-line -- **Including the Sendmail configuration!**

We would be willing to pay.

Thank you,

Marc Ash,  Editor | t r u t h o u t
mailto:ma at truthout.org 
-- 





From danny at terweij.nl  Mon Jul  8 02:51:02 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 02:51:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need an installer -- will pay.
References: 
Message-ID: <021c01c22619$88812c80$1e00a8c0@ps.nl>

From: "Marc Ash" 


> I am not proficent with command line server interaction.

First learn some basic linux knowledge before installing mailman. Many
things would be ended up in console interaction, even after a complete
installed mailman setup.

Go to www.webmin.com for a GUI installation of many linux services within an
webinterface.
I did see there also a 3rd party module for Mailman.

Danny Terweij



---
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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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From chris at joinco.ca  Mon Jul  8 03:00:01 2002
From: chris at joinco.ca (Chris O'Neill)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:00:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Commands Not Being Processed
In-Reply-To: <021c01c22619$88812c80$1e00a8c0@ps.nl>
Message-ID: <3D288FB1.10075.1FD1246@localhost>

It appears that my test list is working, as messages to it are getting posted.  
Archiving also seems to be working.  However, messages to test-request aren't 
getting processed.  That includes messages containing the "help" and "unsubscribe" 
commands.  Don't know 'bout other commands as I haven't tried them (yet).

Here's what's appearing in the error file:

02 qrunner(25495): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'
02 qrunner(25498): Traceback (innermost last):
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
02 qrunner(25498):      kids = main(lock)
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
02 qrunner(25498):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_me
02 qrunner(25498):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 
1
02 qrunner(25498):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
02 qrunner(25498): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

Can anyone translate this and suggest a fix, please?  Thanks, in advance, for any 
help offered.

Chris
-------------------------------------------------
Chris O'Neill (chris at joinco.ca)
Joinco Enterprises Inc., Edmonton, AB Canada
Web:  http://www.joinco.ca






From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Mon Jul  8 06:12:47 2002
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients ?
Message-ID: <20020707231247.A17502@austin.ibm.com>

Running  MM 2.0.10 on RH 7.2 with RH's sendmail.
Got a couple of messages stuck in the mail queue
which get the following error

553 sorry, too many recipients (#5.7.1)

from sendmail.  This has just started happening nothing
on the machine has changed.  However, there have been 
a couple of gyrations with DNS (almost to the point
I'm going to take over running the name server).

Anyone have any thoughts ?

Thanks
Mike




From bronto at csd-bes.net  Mon Jul  8 06:25:34 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:25:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need an installer -- will pay.
In-Reply-To: <021c01c22619$88812c80$1e00a8c0@ps.nl>
References: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020707212449.00a0adc0@csd-bes.net>

I concur; webmin is extraordinarily helpful in learning linux.  In the 
linux learning curve, you inevitably get something wrong but for a newbie 
it's difficult to know whether the problem at hand is one of not 
understanding the concept correctly or if you've simply gotten the syntax 
wrong with the last thing you've done.  Webmin with it's GUI interface 
helps eliminate the problem of syntax errors and typos.

However the Mailman plugin for Webmin is for version 1.x; at least I never 
got it to work with Mailman 2.0x.  I suspect that whoever wrote it won't 
undate it, since it was only for creating and deleting mailing lists, and 
Mailman 2.1 has it's own interface for that.


At 02:51 AM 7/8/02 +0200, Danny Terweij wrote:
>From: "Marc Ash" 
>
>
> > I am not proficent with command line server interaction.
>
>First learn some basic linux knowledge before installing mailman. Many
>things would be ended up in console interaction, even after a complete
>installed mailman setup.
>
>Go to www.webmin.com for a GUI installation of many linux services within an
>webinterface.
>I did see there also a 3rd party module for Mailman.
>
>Danny Terweij
>
>
>
>---
>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 2-7-02
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From aflist at gci.net  Mon Jul  8 06:23:58 2002
From: aflist at gci.net (Andy Firman)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:23:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Commands Not Being Processed
In-Reply-To: <3D288FB1.10075.1FD1246@localhost>
Message-ID: 

That is almost the same problem I have.
This is the post about my problem:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-July/020939.html

Are you running Mailman 2.0.12?
I see that was just released July 2.
Possible bug?  I have a feeling it may be a Sendmail issue.

Can anybody help us here?

Thanks,
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris O'Neill
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:00 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Commands Not Being Processed


It appears that my test list is working, as messages to it are getting
posted.
Archiving also seems to be working.  However, messages to test-request
aren't
getting processed.  That includes messages containing the "help" and
"unsubscribe"
commands.  Don't know 'bout other commands as I haven't tried them (yet).

Here's what's appearing in the error file:

02 qrunner(25495): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute
'lower'
02 qrunner(25498): Traceback (innermost last):
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
02 qrunner(25498):      kids = main(lock)
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
02 qrunner(25498):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in
dispose_me
02 qrunner(25498):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
line
1
02 qrunner(25498):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
02 qrunner(25498): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute
'lower'

Can anyone translate this and suggest a fix, please?  Thanks, in advance,
for any
help offered.

Chris





From joe at ab2m.net  Mon Jul  8 06:29:52 2002
From: joe at ab2m.net (Joe Tomasone)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Commands Not Being Processed
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3D288FB1.10075.1FD1246@localhost>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020708002903.02943300@mail.ab2m.net>

I had to go back to 2.0.11 - 2.0.12 simply did not work properly for me.

         - Joe


At 12:23 AM 7/8/2002, Andy Firman wrote:

>That is almost the same problem I have.
>This is the post about my problem:
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-July/020939.html
>
>Are you running Mailman 2.0.12?
>I see that was just released July 2.
>Possible bug?  I have a feeling it may be a Sendmail issue.
>
>Can anybody help us here?
>
>Thanks,
>Andy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris O'Neill
>Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:00 PM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Commands Not Being Processed
>
>
>It appears that my test list is working, as messages to it are getting
>posted.
>Archiving also seems to be working.  However, messages to test-request
>aren't
>getting processed.  That includes messages containing the "help" and
>"unsubscribe"
>commands.  Don't know 'bout other commands as I haven't tried them (yet).
>
>Here's what's appearing in the error file:
>
>02 qrunner(25495): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute
>'lower'
>02 qrunner(25498): Traceback (innermost last):
>02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
>02 qrunner(25498):      kids = main(lock)
>02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
>02 qrunner(25498):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in
>dispose_me
>02 qrunner(25498):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
>02 qrunner(25498):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
>line
>1
>02 qrunner(25498):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
>02 qrunner(25498): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute
>'lower'
>
>Can anyone translate this and suggest a fix, please?  Thanks, in advance,
>for any
>help offered.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py





From aflist at gci.net  Mon Jul  8 08:50:34 2002
From: aflist at gci.net (Andy Firman)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:50:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no messages being delivered
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I rolled back to 2.0.11 and now it works fine.
There must be something wrong with 2.0.12.

Love the software.  Great job to the people that created it!!!!

Andy



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Andy Firman
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:44 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Cc: aflist at gci.net
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no messages being delivered



Install was fine and test list created just fine.  Owner of the list
was notified and that email showed up fine.
All messages going to the list seem to get queued
and they NEVER come out.  This is what I have going on:

Redhat 7.2   Kernel 2.4.18  Python 1.5.2  Mailman 2.0.12  Sendmail 8.11.6

This is from my $prefix/logs/error file:

qrunner(23801):Traceback (innermost last):
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
kids = main(lock)
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in
dispose_message mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
qrunner(23801):File "/var/www/html/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py",
line 123, in ParseMailCommands precedence = msg.get('precedence',
'').lower()
qrunner(23801): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

What am I doing wrong?  I am lost.

(please be gentle if its python or sendmail....I know nothing about
python and well...you know.... it's sendmail :-(

-Andy




------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jul  8 08:55:59 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 08 Jul 2002 08:55:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can people unsubscribe by email?
In-Reply-To: J C Lawrence's message of "Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:59:40 -0700"
References: 
	 <579.1025895580@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: 

J C Lawrence  writes:

> Detlef Neubauer  wrote:
> 
> > Please don't send me Cc's to my mail address. I read the list.
> 
> Set a Reply-To on your list posts pointing back to the list.

Sorry what on my header line "Mail-Copies-To: never" is not to be
understood.


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From bogardi at lib.pte.hu  Mon Jul  8 09:06:26 2002
From: bogardi at lib.pte.hu (Bogardi Janos)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:06:26 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent email addresses from spambots?
Message-ID: <200207080706.g6876Qh23287@lib.pte.hu>

Hello listers,

Web-based archives of postings are great. But how can one defend posters from
being tracked by spambots and email address crawlers when their emails are 
listed in plain text in the archives?

Anybody has a good solution for prevention?

Thanks.

Janos B.




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Jul  8 09:34:44 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 00:34:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can people unsubscribe by email? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Detlef Neubauer  
   of "08 Jul 2002 08:55:59 +0200."  
References:   <579.1025895580@kanga.nu>   
Message-ID: <32121.1026113684@kanga.nu>

On 08 Jul 2002 08:55:59 +0200 
Detlef Neubauer  wrote:
> J C Lawrence  writes:

> Sorry what on my header line "Mail-Copies-To: never" is not to be
> understood.

Its not a standard header.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From kouliscon at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  8 09:54:39 2002
From: kouliscon at hotmail.com (Constantine J. Koulis)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:54:39 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
Message-ID: 

Hello all.

I am trying to install mailman to another server but when i give the command 
:

./configure --with-mail-gid=514  --with-cig-gid=mailman

i have the following error :

checking permissions on /home/mailman... configure: error:
***** Installation directory /home/mailman is not configured properly!
***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /home/mailman

What should i do?
Sincerely


Tks & Best Regards
Koulis Constantine.
Bucharest Romania
Phone :+40-93979131
Phone GR :+30-974293018


_________________________________________________________________
Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 
http://www.hotmail.com





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jul  8 11:02:09 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 08 Jul 2002 11:02:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients ?
In-Reply-To: Michael H Moran's message of "Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:12:47 -0500"
References: <20020707231247.A17502@austin.ibm.com>
Message-ID: 

Michael H Moran  writes:

> Running  MM 2.0.10 on RH 7.2 with RH's sendmail.
> Got a couple of messages stuck in the mail queue
> which get the following error
> 
> 553 sorry, too many recipients (#5.7.1)
> 
> from sendmail.

Default in $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/Defaults.py is

SMTP_MAX_RCPT = 500

Add this line to $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and change it into a
lower worth.


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Jul  8 12:57:47 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 08 Jul 2002 05:57:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1026125867.399.4.camel@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>

On Mon, 2002-07-08 at 02:54, Constantine J. Koulis wrote:
> Hello all.
> 
> I am trying to install mailman to another server but when i give the command 
> :
> 
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=514  --with-cig-gid=mailman
> 
> i have the following error :
> 
> checking permissions on /home/mailman... configure: error:
> ***** Installation directory /home/mailman is not configured properly!
> ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory: /home/mailman
> 
> What should i do?
su - mailman
chmod g+s . 
exit

This will set the set-gid bit on /home/mailman 


> Sincerely
> 
> 
> Tks & Best Regards
> Koulis Constantine.
> Bucharest Romania
> Phone :+40-93979131
> Phone GR :+30-974293018
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 
> http://www.hotmail.com
> 
> 
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From courtney at 4th.com  Mon Jul  8 16:56:19 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:56:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent email addresses from spambots?
In-Reply-To: <200207080706.g6876Qh23287@lib.pte.hu>
References: <200207080706.g6876Qh23287@lib.pte.hu>
Message-ID: <200207081055.51847.courtney@4th.com>

On Monday 08 July 2002 03:06 am, Bogardi Janos wrote:
> Web-based archives of postings are great. But how can one defend posters
> from being tracked by spambots and email address crawlers when their emails
> are listed in plain text in the archives?
>
> Anybody has a good solution for prevention?

In the Archiving Options for the list, set the archives to "Private." Members
then enter their passwords to go to the archives. There is also an option to
slightly obfuscate e-mail addresses, but that's not 100% effective against a
smart spambot.

Scott

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From espera at aac.ath.cx  Mon Jul  8 11:53:04 2002
From: espera at aac.ath.cx (Ryan Hammond)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 04:53:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Config help needed
Message-ID: 

Alright, I'm trying to run Mailman with Exim, but i've run into a coupla small problems.
Firstly, its not working. --;;. Exim is running fine, for the most part. I can send and recieve email, and when I try to subscribe to a list on the web page, I get the verification email. However, any attempts to reply to the email fail. I've tried this on both the local machine and remote, using both my full domain and 'localhost' on the local, and none would work. I went through the README.EXIM file that came with mailman, and I followed its instructions editing the exim config file, but it doesn't seem to have worked. Any time I send an email to a 'not real' address that mailman is Supposed to be able to take care of, it gets bounced first. The exim configuration's notes said that order did matter in one of the parts, and I tried putting the code at beginning and end (not at the same time) and neither setup worked. 
Second problem, possibly on a related note. When I DO get the verification emails from Mailman, they're @localhost instead of @aac.ath.cx. An email I send through Exim, without changing the From: tag, puts an @aac.ath.cx. How do I get mailman to?
Thanky to any who help. 
Espy-chan
espera at aac.ath.cx




From kouliscon at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  8 17:14:39 2002
From: kouliscon at hotmail.com (Constantine J. Koulis)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:14:39 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how do i change the gid...cjk
Message-ID: 

Hello all.
i installed and configured mailman.
Though i have the following message.Anybody knows why?

Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 514, GOT gid 32010. 
  (Reconfigure to take 32010?)

Sincerely


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From david at midrange.com  Mon Jul  8 17:17:27 2002
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:17:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner getting stuck on very large files
Message-ID: <20835.208.248.38.130.1026141447.squirrel@webmail.midrange.com>

Folks:

I'm running into a problem where qrunner will get stuck when it's trying
to process very large message files in the qfiles directory.

Usually, it appears, that it's the result of someone trying to send klez
to a list (not deliberately, of course) ... but the end result is, qrunner
stops and the list is no longer processed.

I can fix the problem by killing the qrunner processes (there are usually
a few of them), deleting the lock files, and deleting the large msg files
in the qfiles directory.

I'd like to put in place some kind of protection against this.

I've tried putting an anti-klez procmail filter in place system wide, but
it does not appear to affect aliases.

Thanks!

david


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-B Gates







From bogardi at lib.pte.hu  Mon Jul  8 18:10:11 2002
From: bogardi at lib.pte.hu (Bogardi Janos)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:10:11 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent email addresses from spambots?
Message-ID: <200207081610.g68GABv03581@lib.pte.hu>

Hello Scott,

Thanks for the answer. I'm afraid I was not specific enough.

I'm aware of the option of setting the archives access to private. However, I'd 
like to keep it public - just to please honest users :)

The second option you mention obfuscates email addresses only in the "list 
members" page - which, in my setup, is only available for the list admin.

Maybe this spam prevention request should be added to the wishlist?

Thanks.

Janos B.

> On Monday 08 July 2002 03:06 am, Bogardi Janos wrote:
> > Web-based archives of postings are great. But how can one defend posters
> > from being tracked by spambots and email address crawlers when their emails
> > are listed in plain text in the archives?
> >
> > Anybody has a good solution for prevention?
> 
> In the Archiving Options for the list, set the archives to "Private." Members
> then enter their passwords to go to the archives. There is also an option to
> slightly obfuscate e-mail addresses, but that's not 100% effective against a
> smart spambot.

> Scott




From crebuck at attglobal.net  Mon Jul  8 18:37:28 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:37:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unreachable mx server detection
Message-ID: 

I have a user that has an unreachable mx domain and have about 20 files in 
my /var/spool/mqueue dir for this user.  Why doesn't mailman detect this 
and stop sending list mail to them?

qfg65H57F21115:MDeferred: Connection timed out with somedomain.com.
qfg65H57F21115:RPFD:






From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Jul  8 20:00:30 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:00:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Searching
Message-ID: <3D29D33E.FB0E06C2@pcraft.com>

    I'm sure this may have been asked before, but does anyone have a 'search
the archive' solution for Mailman?

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From jason at tommyk.com  Mon Jul  8 20:33:54 2002
From: jason at tommyk.com (Jason Gurtz)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:33:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to turn off monthly Subscription reminders?
Message-ID: 

I've turned off the monthly password reminder, but it still sends out
the subscription reminder.  I read through the faq and the
administration guide but still couldn't find a clear way to disable it.

any hints appreciated,

~Jason

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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Jul  8 20:35:51 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:35:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Searching 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner"  
   of "Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:00:30 MDT." <3D29D33E.FB0E06C2@pcraft.com> 
References: <3D29D33E.FB0E06C2@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <8260.1026153351@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:00:30 -0600 
Ashley M Kirchner  wrote:

> I'm sure this may have been asked before, but does anyone have a
> 'search the archive' solution for Mailman?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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From michael at spconnect.com  Mon Jul  8 20:51:38 2002
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:51:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner getting stuck on very large files
In-Reply-To: <20835.208.248.38.130.1026141447.squirrel@webmail.midrange.com>
Message-ID: 

I have demime on my mail lists. I am thinking of putting it on the 
-request part of the aliase. Processing mime mail for -request address is 
playing havoc on my list right now.

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, David Gibbs wrote:

> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:17:27 -0500 (CDT)
> From: David Gibbs 
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner getting stuck on very large files
> 
> Folks:
> 
> I'm running into a problem where qrunner will get stuck when it's trying
> to process very large message files in the qfiles directory.
> 
> Usually, it appears, that it's the result of someone trying to send klez
> to a list (not deliberately, of course) ... but the end result is, qrunner
> stops and the list is no longer processed.
> 
> I can fix the problem by killing the qrunner processes (there are usually
> a few of them), deleting the lock files, and deleting the large msg files
> in the qfiles directory.
> 
> I'd like to put in place some kind of protection against this.
> 
> I've tried putting an anti-klez procmail filter in place system wide, but
> it does not appear to affect aliases.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> david
> 
> 
> --
> "Who said I couldn't have it all?"
> -B Gates
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From nicolis at unisi.it  Mon Jul  8 21:36:57 2002
From: nicolis at unisi.it (marco nicolis)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:36:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation trouble
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020708152424.025071a0@hesiod>

hi all,
let me say I am a newbie and I have ensim on my server. Both undesireble 
characteristics, I guess. I followed the installation instruction the best 
I could but I still get errors. At the end of the installation process I 
can create the list and I get mail from the mailman. however, clicking on 
the links I get 'Internal Server Error'. I read in the troubleshooting 
section that this has likely to do with the GID settings. I don't really 
know what I am talking about, but...
as to the
    --with-mail-gid=
             Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
             mail wrapper.   can be a list of one or
             more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
             value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
             used.  By default, the value is the list `other daemon'.


I checked in the configuration file and the best I could come up with is 
mail:mail and the user apache for the cgi gid.
the check_perms script reports no error.
the group/user mailman are created and I did change the chgrp to mailman 
for the installation directory.
I believe the installation directory should be accessible by the browser 
(??) so I changed the --prefix to something else and gave the required 
permissions etc.
as to the syslog stuff, I am not sure I located it correctly on my server 
but in what I found there was no mention of an ID required and of a wrong 
one used.
Also...I manually specified the WWW and MAIL hosts before ./configure, 
since what it'd get is the domain of the server as opposed to the one of 
the site (if this makes sense...)

Would it be too much to ask if someone can take a look at this stuff?
thanks
marco






From mary.y.wang at boeing.com  Mon Jul  8 23:26:45 2002
From: mary.y.wang at boeing.com (Wang, Mary Y)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:26:45 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to modify information to /templates/listinfo.html
Message-ID: <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEAA94@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com>

I am using mailman 2.0.8.  I would like to customize
/templates/listinfo.html.  
The part where it shows the link of the archive:
 To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
	visit the 
	Archives.
.......
The MM-List-Names would have the value of the list name and it assumes it is
pointing at index.html.  I would like to have MM-List-Names have the value
of the listname/main.php.  So the browser would be looking at main.php not
defaulted to index.html.  How do I do that?  How do I add a new tag like
, so I can just have the following,
 To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
	visit the 
	Archives.
and the link will be pointing to the main.php instead of index.html.

Thanks in advance.

Mary 




From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Tue Jul  9 00:43:14 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with real name in message footers in 2.1b
In-Reply-To: <20020708160005.2572.23659.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

Hi -

	I have two lists, mailman and mailman-administrators. The footer
in messages from mailman-administrators reads:

_______________________________________________
Mailman mailing list
Mailman at library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/mailman


	So Mailman is getting the real names confused. Any quick fixes?


Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley







From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Tue Jul  9 00:49:43 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with real name footer solved
Message-ID: 

	Or recognized for the non-problem it was. Sorry about the previous
post.

Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley





From marc_news at vasoftware.com  Tue Jul  9 04:50:33 2002
From: marc_news at vasoftware.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:50:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hey
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20020709025033.GI2657@merlins.org>

On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 10:58:48PM +0200, Robert Meyer wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> i have SMTP Auth work at my Linux-System. Does mailman work with this?

Mailman doesn't do SMTP AUTH, nor does it really need to

Marc
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From jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi  Tue Jul  9 08:44:47 2002
From: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:44:47 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hooking SpamAssassin with Mailman 2.0.12 / Postfix
Message-ID: 

I tried crawl through old postings but couldn't find any clear
instructions how to hook SpamAssassin with Mailman and Postfix. It would
be great if it was possible to make it so that it affects all the lists
on the machine. If someone could be kind enough to give or point me to the
instructions to accomplish this, I would be more than pleased.

TIA,
Jarkko

P.S. After I upgraded our Mailman installation from 2.0.8 to 2.0.12, I
came across the following: In Admin links page, the headline ("... mailing
lists - Admin Links") and the link to mailman-owner lack the host name,
i.e. there's just the domain name, in this case cc.tut.fi. I didn't at
least notice that in the older version.

--
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jul  9 08:53:36 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 23:53:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hooking SpamAssassin with Mailman 2.0.12 / Postfix 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jarkko Laine  
   of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:44:47 +0300."  
References:  
Message-ID: <22429.1026197616@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:44:47 +0300 (EET DST) 
Jarkko Laine  wrote:

> I tried crawl through old postings but couldn't find any clear
> instructions how to hook SpamAssassin with Mailman and Postfix. It
> would be great if it was possible to make it so that it affects all
> the lists on the machine. If someone could be kind enough to give or
> point me to the instructions to accomplish this, I would be more than
> pleased.

Its a lot easier with 2.1.  However, the easy way with 2.0.x is to
either pipe thru procmail (which then calls SpamAssassin before
optionally calling Mailman's wrapper), or write your own wrapper around
Mailman's wrapper which calls and filters on SpamAssassin before
optionally calling Mailman's wrapper.

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From jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi  Tue Jul  9 09:08:23 2002
From: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:08:23 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hooking SpamAssassin with Mailman 2.0.12 /
 Postfix 
In-Reply-To: <22429.1026197616@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, J C Lawrence wrote:

> Its a lot easier with 2.1.

It is? Are there any instructions for that?

I looked at the 2.1 web pages but I didn't find
anything other about this than
that 2.1 has integrated spam filters in it's features, but so has the old
one.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jul  9 09:28:22 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 00:28:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hooking SpamAssassin with Mailman 2.0.12 / Postfix 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jarkko Laine  
   of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:08:23 +0300."  
References:  
Message-ID: <22831.1026199702@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:08:23 +0300 (EET DST) 
Jarkko Laine  wrote:

> On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> Its a lot easier with 2.1.

> It is? 

Yes, you can write a small plugin that drops into the process queue for
messages and does whatever you want.

> Are there any instructions for that?

Just the sources.

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From fcombernous at eprocess.fr  Tue Jul  9 09:44:01 2002
From: fcombernous at eprocess.fr (Fabien COMBERNOUS)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:44:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to generate index.html in archive directory ?
Message-ID: <20020709074401.GA4221@fcombernous.mtp.eprocess.fr>

Hello,

All mailman looks to work fine. But, my index.html file in archives
directory stay empty. I'm looking for an explain about how to generate
this index.html.

I read several times FAQ and nothing about this matter. Can i get some
help ?

Thank's, Fabien.

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From ryanwhammond2 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  9 12:31:59 2002
From: ryanwhammond2 at hotmail.com (Ryan Hammond)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:31:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper woes
Message-ID: 

Ok, it took a good bit of tinkering, but I managed to get exim and mailman 
installed and working... almost. So far, everything works up untill I try to 
join a list. I get the email to verify, I reply, but then "Mail Delivery 
System" from my server computer sends me an email saying...
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  testlist-request@(edited)
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from 
command:
    /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper


.......
I would assume my wrapper is broken. Thats the right path, for the mailman 
that I installed through Debian's "apt".
Earlier, I attempted to manually install it, but that failed with a 
different problem. The director/transport thingies weren't catching 
incomming email right, and I was getting a bounce on non-real addys. I've 
got the same exim config for both, the only difference is the path I point 
to for the MAILMAN_HOME variable. Also, both installs are still there, but 
only one is linked to operate in the exim config. Will it still matter if 
there's another? What does it mean that the wrapper returned 2? Help please? 
Thanky. ^.^;;

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From kouliscon at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  9 13:16:41 2002
From: kouliscon at hotmail.com (Constantine J. Koulis)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:16:41 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
Message-ID: 

hello all.

i got the folowing message to my log.
Anybody knows how to fix it?


Jul  9 17:12:37 mail1 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED 
gid 514, GOT gid 32010.  (Reconfigure to take 32010?)


Sincerely

Tks & Best Regards
Koulis Constantine.
Bucharest Romania
Phone :+40-93979131
Phone GR :+30-974293018


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Jul  9 13:36:37 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 09 Jul 2002 13:36:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
In-Reply-To: "Constantine J. Koulis"'s message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:16:41 +0300"
References: 
Message-ID: 

"Constantine J. Koulis"  writes:

> i got the folowing message to my log.
> Anybody knows how to fix it?
> 
> 
> Jul  9 17:12:37 mail1 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
> script. WANTED gid 514, GOT gid 32010.  (Reconfigure to take 32010?)

Wow, the same error as in

,----
| Message-ID: 
| Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:14:39 +0300
`----

If you make no changes in your configuration the error will be the
same.

Did you have read INSATLL and FAQ in the source?

,----[ FAQ ]
| A. The most likely cause of this is that the GID that is compiled into
|    the C wrappers does not match the GID that your Web server invokes
|    CGI scripts with.  Note that a similar error could occur if your
|    mail system invokes filter programs under a GID that does not match
|    the one compiled into the C mail wrapper.
| 
|    To fix this you will need to re-configure Mailman using the
|    --with-cgi-gid and --with-mail-gid options.  See the INSTALL file
|    for details.
`----

,----[ INSTALL ]
| 2. Running configure
| 
|     TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE --with-mail-gid AND --with-cgi-gid
|     OPTIONS BELOW.  YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO USE THESE!
| 
| ...
| 
|      --with-mail-gid=
|             Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
|             mail wrapper.   can be a list of one or
|             more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
|             value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
|             used.  By default, the value is the list `other daemon'.
| 
|             This is highly system dependent and you must get this
|             right, because the group id is compiled into the mail
|             wrapper program for added security.  On systems using
|             sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates
|             the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser"
|             option.  (If commented out, it still may be indicating the
|             default...)
| 
|       --with-cgi-gid=
|             Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
|             CGI wrapper.   can be a list of one or
|             more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
|             value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
|             used.  By default, the value is the the list `www www-data
|             nobody'.
| 
|             The proper value for this is dependent on your web server
|             configuration.  You must get this right, because the group
|             id is compiled into the CGI wrapper program for added
|             security, and no Mailman CGI scripts will run if this is
|             incorrect.
| 
|             If you're using Apache, check the values for the `Group'
|             option in your httpd.conf file.
`----


HTH

Mit freundlichen Gr??en
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From gpdoyon at maine.rr.com  Tue Jul  9 14:25:32 2002
From: gpdoyon at maine.rr.com (Gerry Doyon)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:25:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
Message-ID: <3138302.1026203132@[192.168.2.89]>

Howdy folks,

I couldn't find my answer in any of the FAQ's or web searches that 
solved my problem.

I would prefer to create some sort of an HTML link on my web site 
which, when clicked, will launch the users on mail software and have 
the Send and Subject line already filled in that will either 
SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE the user.

Can someone please point me to some documentation to do this?  I have 
tried, what seems, endless combinations of parameters/commands in the 
Subject and body of my messages that will subscribe myself to my test 
mailing list, to no avail.

All help is appreciated.  Thanks in advance!

- Gerry

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From courtney at 4th.com  Tue Jul  9 14:50:57 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:50:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to prevent email addresses from spambots?
In-Reply-To: <200207081610.g68GABv03581@lib.pte.hu>
References: <200207081610.g68GABv03581@lib.pte.hu>
Message-ID: <200207090850.57660.courtney@4th.com>

On Monday 08 July 2002 12:10 pm, Bogardi Janos wrote:
> Hello Scott,
>
> Thanks for the answer. I'm afraid I was not specific enough.
>
> I'm aware of the option of setting the archives access to private. However,
> I'd like to keep it public - just to please honest users :)

I'm not sure how you would accomplish the contradictory goals. If the archives
are public, that means they are on a web page that anyone can access. If anyone
can access it, then so can spam harvesters. Ergo, a sufficiently smart spambot
can retrieve email addresses from any public web page.

The virtual URL /robots.txt, defined by the Robots Exclusion Protocol, is
supposed to be able to tell any spider not to scan certain pages. I doubt,
however, that spambots will respect this courtesy. Worse yet, legitimate search
engines *will* respect the file, so you'll probably get scanned by spambots but
not by real search engines -- the exact opposite of what you would like.

I'd love to hear that someone has a better alternative, but the only way I can
think of to keep public archives from being harvested by spambots is to
obfuscate the email addresses therein. For that, see below...

>
> The second option you mention obfuscates email addresses only in the "list
> members" page - which, in my setup, is only available for the list admin.

I'm running Mailman 2.1b2, and the e-mail addresses *are* obfuscated in the
archives. My address appears as "courtney at 4th.com" in the archives; I just
went to one of my lists and verified this. Perhaps this is an added feature
in 2.1b2; I haven't tested it with 2.0.x.

Scott

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Jul  9 14:51:10 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 09 Jul 2002 14:51:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
In-Reply-To: Gerry Doyon's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 08:25:32 -0400"
References: <3138302.1026203132@[192.168.2.89]>
Message-ID: 

Gerry Doyon  writes:

> Howdy folks,
> 
> I couldn't find my answer in any of the FAQ's or web searches that
> solved my problem.

Only in german => http://selfhtml.teamone.de/html/verweise/email.htm

> I would prefer to create some sort of an HTML link on my web site
> which, when clicked, will launch the users on mail software and have
> the Send and Subject line already filled in that will either SUBSCRIBE
> or UNSUBSCRIBE the user.



Not tested.


Mit freundlichen Gr??en
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From gpdoyon at maine.rr.com  Tue Jul  9 15:06:12 2002
From: gpdoyon at maine.rr.com (Gerry Doyon)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not
 web
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <5577750.1026205572@[192.168.2.89]>

Hi Detlef,

--On Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:51 PM +0200 Detlef Neubauer 
 wrote:

|> I would prefer to create some sort of an HTML link on my web site
|> which, when clicked, will launch the users on mail software and
|> have the Send and Subject line already filled in that will either
|> SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE the user.
|
| 
|
| Not tested.

That worked! Thanks! :-)

--
Gerry Doyon




From kouliscon at hotmail.com  Tue Jul  9 15:02:06 2002
From: kouliscon at hotmail.com (Constantine J. Koulis)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:02:06 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
Message-ID: 

dear sir.

I tried with :

./configure --with-mail-gid=mail  --with-cig-gid=nobody
./configure --with-mail-gid=32010  --with-cig-gid=mailman
./configure --with-mail-gid=514  --with-cig-gid=mailman

and still doesnt work.


What should i give?Maybe i have to go to a file to change by hand the GID???

Sincerely


>From: Detlef Neubauer 
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
>Date: 09 Jul 2002 13:36:37 +0200
>
>"Constantine J. Koulis"  writes:
>
> > i got the folowing message to my log.
> > Anybody knows how to fix it?
> >
> >
> > Jul  9 17:12:37 mail1 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
> > script. WANTED gid 514, GOT gid 32010.  (Reconfigure to take 32010?)
>
>Wow, the same error as in
>
>,----
>| Message-ID: 
>| Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:14:39 +0300
>`----
>
>If you make no changes in your configuration the error will be the
>same.
>
>Did you have read INSATLL and FAQ in the source?
>
>,----[ FAQ ]
>| A. The most likely cause of this is that the GID that is compiled into
>|    the C wrappers does not match the GID that your Web server invokes
>|    CGI scripts with.  Note that a similar error could occur if your
>|    mail system invokes filter programs under a GID that does not match
>|    the one compiled into the C mail wrapper.
>|
>|    To fix this you will need to re-configure Mailman using the
>|    --with-cgi-gid and --with-mail-gid options.  See the INSTALL file
>|    for details.
>`----
>
>,----[ INSTALL ]
>| 2. Running configure
>|
>|     TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE --with-mail-gid AND --with-cgi-gid
>|     OPTIONS BELOW.  YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO USE THESE!
>|
>| ...
>|
>|      --with-mail-gid=
>|             Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
>|             mail wrapper.   can be a list of one or
>|             more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
>|             value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
>|             used.  By default, the value is the list `other daemon'.
>|
>|             This is highly system dependent and you must get this
>|             right, because the group id is compiled into the mail
>|             wrapper program for added security.  On systems using
>|             sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates
>|             the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser"
>|             option.  (If commented out, it still may be indicating the
>|             default...)
>|
>|       --with-cgi-gid=
>|             Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
>|             CGI wrapper.   can be a list of one or
>|             more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
>|             value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
>|             used.  By default, the value is the the list `www www-data
>|             nobody'.
>|
>|             The proper value for this is dependent on your web server
>|             configuration.  You must get this right, because the group
>|             id is compiled into the CGI wrapper program for added
>|             security, and no Mailman CGI scripts will run if this is
>|             incorrect.
>|
>|             If you're using Apache, check the values for the `Group'
>|             option in your httpd.conf file.
>`----
>
>
>HTH
>
>Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>Detlef Neubauer
>
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Jul  9 15:35:47 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 09 Jul 2002 15:35:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
In-Reply-To: Gerry Doyon's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:06:12 -0400"
References: 
	<5577750.1026205572@[192.168.2.89]>
Message-ID: 

Gerry Doyon  writes:

> Hi Detlef,
> 
> --On Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:51 PM +0200 Detlef Neubauer
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> |> I would prefer to create some sort of an HTML link on my web site
> |> which, when clicked, will launch the users on mail software and
> |> have the Send and Subject line already filled in that will either
> |> SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE the user.
> |
> |  | href="mailto:listname-request at domain.tld?subject=subscribe;body=sub
> | scribe">

There is a little typo. The link must be finished with
...subscribe"> What ever or not 

> | Not tested.
> 
> That worked! Thanks! :-)


Please send no Cc: to me i answer only in the list.
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From Jim at updegraff.com  Tue Jul  9 15:41:52 2002
From: Jim at updegraff.com (Jim Updegraff)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 08:41:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
Message-ID: <000301c2274e$656d4ef0$6401a8c0@ws1>

I wonder if I could take this a step further, and ask if anyone has a
solution or a link to a web page example that will show how to allow
someone to subscribe/unsubscribe from multiple Mailman lists by
selecting "check boxes" for each list desired and selecting an option
for "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" and a box to fill in their "email
address" and "submit"

Has anyone done this?

Thanks,
Jim Updegraff

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Doyon
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:06 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web

Hi Detlef,

--On Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:51 PM +0200 Detlef Neubauer 
 wrote:

|> I would prefer to create some sort of an HTML link on my web site
|> which, when clicked, will launch the users on mail software and
|> have the Send and Subject line already filled in that will either
|> SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE the user.
|
| 
|
| Not tested.

That worked! Thanks! :-)

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Jul  9 16:01:02 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 09 Jul 2002 16:01:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
In-Reply-To: "Constantine J. Koulis"'s message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:02:06 +0300"
References: 
Message-ID: 

"Constantine J. Koulis"  writes:

> I tried with :
> 
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail  --with-cig-gid=nobody
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=32010  --with-cig-gid=mailman
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=514  --with-cig-gid=mailman
                                          ^^^ typo? It must be cgi

> and still doesnt work.
> 
> 
> What should i give?Maybe i have to go to a file to change by hand the GID???

What gid is specified for cgi-gid in /etc/http/http.conf?

I have

,----
| User wwwrun
| Group nogroup
`----

and nogroup in /etc/groups is

,----
| nogroup:x:65534:root
`----

at me.

What MTA you running? I have Postfix and AFAIK i have used

,----
| postfix:x:51:postfix
`----

So my options for configure was --with-mail-gid=51 --with-cgi-gid=65534.

I dont know your mail and cgi configuration. You must explore it by
yourself.


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From gour at mail.inet.hr  Tue Jul  9 18:24:18 2002
From: gour at mail.inet.hr (Gour)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 18:24:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure mailman...cjk
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20020709162418.GA31570@inet.hr>

Constantine J. Koulis (kouliscon at hotmail.com) wrote:

> ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail  --with-cig-gid=nobody
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=32010  --with-cig-gid=mailman
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=514  --with-cig-gid=mailman
> 
> and still doesnt work.

As far as I can see, you have to declare: --with-mail-gid=32010, but
take a look on your httpd.conf to see what is the group under which Apache is
running. 

In my case it's "nogroup", so the correct line would be:

./configure --with-mail-gid=32010 --with-cgi-gid=nogroup

> What should i give?Maybe i have to go to a file to change by hand the GID???

Just try one more combination :-)

Sincerely,
Gour





From cprg at cprg.net  Tue Jul  9 20:36:54 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
References: <000301c2274e$656d4ef0$6401a8c0@ws1>
Message-ID: <010301c22777$9b60d080$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

Actually, a form like that could be dangerous; unscrupulous
bum could subscribe enemy to multiple lists at once, and
although the actual subscriptions would not activate, due
to Mailman's required confirmation process, it could easily
harass the receiver, and the list manager, for lists that
require manager approval, or that send the manager
notice of new subs/unsubs. That said, here are some links: 

Build a custom script for managing subscribers: 
http://subscriber.newfieldcash.com/ this is especially useful
for lists that are on mutiple servers, running multiple
listserve clients  
and is not specific to Mailman.  

Or, if you'd rather not spend $35 here's examples you 
could probably hack to suit your request, if you have more time
than money:   :-) 

http://www.kidsource.com/subscribe.html
http://htk.eng.cam.ac.uk/mailing/subscribe_mail.shtml
http://www.macperl.org/mpo/forms/unsubscribe.html http://www.macperl.org/mpo/forms/subscribe.html 

Have fun! 
SD 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Updegraff" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web


| I wonder if I could take this a step further, and ask if anyone has a
| solution or a link to a web page example that will show how to allow
| someone to subscribe/unsubscribe from multiple Mailman lists by
| selecting "check boxes" for each list desired and selecting an option
| for "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" and a box to fill in their "email
| address" and "submit"
| 
| Has anyone done this?
| 
| Thanks,
| Jim Updegraff

From rbs at snippets.org  Tue Jul  9 22:30:36 2002
From: rbs at snippets.org (Bob Stout)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:30:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add-in
Message-ID: 

Somewhat obliquely related to the installation of a spam filter, how would
I go about integrating a filter to reject messages addressed to a
supported list wherein the number of quoted lines (as indicated by a ">"
in the first column) exceeded either an absolute maximum value or a
percentage of the number of total lines in the message? I can write the
filter, but integrating it is where the challenge comes in...

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From kyle at mlug.missouri.edu  Wed Jul 10 02:57:15 2002
From: kyle at mlug.missouri.edu (Kyle Krieg)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:57:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digests not going out with crontab
Message-ID: 

Running RH7.3 with mailman 2.0.9 (RHN up2date says it's running 2.0.11).
I'm having trouble with my digests.  In my crontab I have the following line

# 4:20, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
20 4 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/senddigests

Everyday I'm to send out digests at 4:20am...but I'm getting the digests at
noon or 1 min after...is there another place where it reads when to send out
the digests????

Thanks






From wolf at wolfstream.net  Wed Jul 10 03:42:19 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: 09 Jul 2002 20:42:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] an odd question
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1026265339.2648.18.camel@wolfstream.net>

Greetings,
I just recently installed Mailman software for mailing list management.
AFAIK Everything's set up right, but I'm clueless I guess.
First, the surroundings:
I'm running sendmail on an RH 7.3 machine, called from avmailgate (an
email antivirus prog). ALL of the other sendmail aliases seem to be
working just fine.
Now, the problem:
none of the aliases actually work to get through to the list itself.
sending mail to check-admin doesn't get to me, sending mail to check
(the list), doesn't get to me, nothing gets to me whatsoever.
going through /var/spool/maillog gives me the following results:

Jul  9 14:36:14 wolfstream sendmail[18194]: g69JaEY18193: to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post mud2k", 
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30017, 
dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Jul  9 20:39:23 wolfstream sendmail[7119]: g6A1dM907119: from=, size=245, class=0, 
nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, 
relay=root at localhost
Jul  9 20:39:23 wolfstream sendmail[7120]: g6A1dM907119: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner 
mud2k", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, 
pri=30018, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

yet it never actually GETS to me (??)
Any thoughts or ideas n how to check and make sure this is actually
WORKING, or what is going on here?

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From bjoern at kyza.de  Wed Jul 10 10:34:48 2002
From: bjoern at kyza.de (Bjoern Kaiser)
Date: 10 Jul 2002 10:34:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error import paths in File "bin/update"
Message-ID: <1026290089.1074.0.camel@webgine>

Hi

First my System-Configuration
RedHat 7.3
Python 2.2
Apache 1.3.23
gcc 2.96
sendmail 8.11

I have been tried to run Mailman 2.0.12 and that worked,
but I need a german Mailman. So I tried Mailman 2.1b2 with
Multi-Lingual Support.
I removed the previous version of Mailman and configured
the new one with the same configure parameters I used for
the old one.
But when running "make install" it

---begin quote--- 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths
make: *** [update] Error 1
---end   quote---

Can anyone help me with that??


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From jorgefm at cirsa.com  Wed Jul 10 12:43:04 2002
From: jorgefm at cirsa.com (jorgefm at cirsa.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:43:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner crontab question
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

When I reply to the confirmation email after the subscription step i get,
in the
/home/mailman/qfiles, a new file with the email, but I get the next error,
three times
every minute, in the /home/mailman/logs/error:

Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 283, in ?
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 253, in main
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
ParseMailCommands
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485):      precedence = msg.get
('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 10 09:53:01 2002 qrunner(12485): AttributeError :  'string' object has
no attribute 'lower'


and this is '9156c727586943ca33f8d600564b0da20f618e41.msg', the file with
the confirmation message
in the /home/mailman/qfiles directory:


>From jorgefm at cirsa.com Wed Jul 10 09:52:20 2002
Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
        by linux_proto5.unidesa_rd (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id
g6A7qKI12462
        for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:52:20
+0200
Received: from ntdes.cirsa.com
        by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.0)
        for curso_linux-request at localhost (single-drop); Wed, 10 Jul 2002
09:52:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Re: Curso_linux -- confirmation of subscription -- request 696473
To: curso_linux-request at cirsa.com
X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8  June 18, 2001
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:51:12 +0200
From: jorgefm at cirsa.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ntdes/DESAR(Release 5.0.8 |June 18,
2001) at 10/07/2002
 09:51:13,
        Itemize by Router on ntdes/DESAR(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at
10/07/2002
 09:51:13,
        Serialize by POP3 Server on ntdes/DESAR(Release 5.0.8 |June 18,
2001) at 10/07/2002
 09:52:55
Message-ID: 


Anybody know what it means ?

Thanks a lot !

Jorge Fernandez





From sherif at osiris.acomp.usf.edu  Wed Jul 10 16:53:53 2002
From: sherif at osiris.acomp.usf.edu (Sherif K)
Date: 10 Jul 2002 10:53:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving replys
Message-ID: <1026312833.11056.62.camel@saber.acomp.usf.edu>

Hi, I am setting up mailman to replace Lyris as our listserv manager,
and so far things are going great.  Unfortunately I have come across a
small problem,  I'm using an external archiver (hypermail - my boss
likes its output better than the builtin)which I have set up to work and
it will automatically update the archives, but my problem is that replys
to messages are not entered into the .mbox file and therefore aren't
getting into the archives, only the first post of a thread.  I saw a
similar question posted but there was no response, I hope someone might
have an idea why the .mbox file is not being updated with replys to
messages.  Thanks for any help.

I'm running mailman 2.1b2 with Postfix as the MTA
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2


Sherif Karaoglu
University of South Florida
Academic Computing Department







From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Wed Jul 10 17:51:18 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:51:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman install
Message-ID: 

I'm re-installing mailman on an automounted partition and am having some
problems. The install goes as planned and I can even make lists and people
receive welcome messages but I can't send to the list and can't reach 
the webpage. 

Log for the webpage:

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.11 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/fs/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/fs/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/fs/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/fs/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/fs/mailman/logs/error'
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.1.2 (#1, Feb  5 2002, 12:02:08) 
[GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)]
sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local/bin/../stow/python
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local/bin/../stow/python
sys.path       = /usr/local/bin/../stow/python
sys.platform   = sunos5
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        DOCUMENT_ROOT: /etc/lists/htdocs
        SERVER_ADDR: 128.8.120.234
        HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
        SERVER_PORT: 80
        HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
        GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
        HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
        REMOTE_ADDR: 128.8.120.123
        SERVER_NAME: spam.umiacs.umd.edu
        TZ: US/Eastern
        HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u)
        HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
        HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/
png, */*
        REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo
        QUERY_STRING: 
        SCRIPT_FILENAME: /fs/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
        HTTP_HOST: spam.umiacs.umd.edu
        REQUEST_METHOD: GET
        SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
Apache/1.3.26 Server at spam.umiacs.umd.edu 
Port 80


        SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
        SERVER_ADMIN: dave at umiacs.umd.edu
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.26 (Unix)
        PYTHONPATH: /fs/mailman
        SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
        REMOTE_PORT: 40973

When I send to the list, I'm also seeing:
Jul 10 11:32:04 spam.umiacs.umd.edu genunix: [ID 809163 kern.info] NOTICE: wrapper, uid 1: setuid execution not allowed, dev=11700000007
Jul 10 11:32:05 spam.umiacs.umd.edu sendmail[4329]: [ID 801593 mail.info] g6AFW41t004328: to="|/fs/mailman/mail/wrapper post mytest", ctladdr= (1/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30996, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 1
Jul 10 11:32:05 spam.umiacs.umd.edu sendmail[4329]: [ID 801593 mail.info] g6AFW41t004328: g6AFW51t004329: DSN: unknown mailer error 1

We have a later version of sendmail with smrsh and links in /var/adm/sm.bin
to the wrapper.

So does mailman not allow automounts? what about suid?

Also, I thought that this (2.0.11) is the latest non-beta version of mailman.
Is that true?



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland 
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies   





From chris at joinco.ca  Wed Jul 10 18:08:31 2002
From: chris at joinco.ca (Chris O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:08:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using cron to process mail
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3D2C079F.14498.4796CCA@localhost>

Well, after much ado, I finally sold my problems with getting mailman to work.  Now 
I have a question...

Is there some way to get qrunner to process the mail besides the once-every-minute 
cron job?  The reason I'm asking is that doing it once a minute via cron sure makes 
for a long cron log...  1440 qrunner entries everyday, to be precise.

Alternatives, welcome, please!  For instance, is anyone out there doing it via a shell 
script that first pipes the message to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper and then runs 
qrunner?  If so, how's that done?  (I'm not sure 'bout piping stuff using a shell 
script...  never done *that* before!)  

Thanks for any help offered!

Regards,

Chris
-------------------------------------------------
Chris O'Neill (chris at joinco.ca)
Joinco Enterprises Inc., Edmonton, AB Canada
Web:  http://www.joinco.ca






From kevin.mcclain at rivanna.net  Wed Jul 10 18:48:58 2002
From: kevin.mcclain at rivanna.net (Kevin McClain)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] include in HTML public pages
Message-ID: <3D2C657A.4050505@rivanna.net>

I am attempting to do some major editing of the HTML public pages and am 
wondering if I could include a header and footer file.

Does anyone know if this is possible? Done so how?

I believe the HTML files are being processed in python so I think I 
could use an include statement in python? Can someone give me the syntax?

Thanks in advance,
kevin





From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Jul 10 19:47:32 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] batch subscribing long list/administrative error
Message-ID: <3D2C7334.944F1739@state.or.us>

I set up a list and batch subscribed 2100 addresses. Actually, it looks like
there is a limit for batch subscriptions, so I first subscribed the max, then
the rest. Each time, it appeared that nothing was happening, but finally I was
able to in and look at the membership list and they appeared to be added.
However, now I can't log in to the administrative interface. It just says
"connecting, waiting for reply". I can log in to any of the other lists.

Is there some issue with batch subscribing that many addresses? How can I unlock
this to get back in to do maintenance?

-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Jul 10 20:24:13 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:24:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] batch subscribing long list/administrative error
References: <3D2C7334.944F1739@state.or.us>
Message-ID: <3D2C7BCD.9F6E1755@state.or.us>

Never mind about this. I figured out where the lock files are and just deleted
them. Is that the proper way to go about this.

One question- when I batch subscribe a long list, it is hard to tell if anything
is actually happening and with real long lists, it eventually comes back and
says something about server not found. But, when I go into Membership
Management, the addresses are there. This is running on a fast server under
Linux, yet it is difficult to tell when the subscriptions are complete and if
all of them have succeeded.



Christopher Adams wrote:
> 
> I set up a list and batch subscribed 2100 addresses. Actually, it looks like
> there is a limit for batch subscriptions, so I first subscribed the max, then
> the rest. Each time, it appeared that nothing was happening, but finally I was
> able to in and look at the membership list and they appeared to be added.
> However, now I can't log in to the administrative interface. It just says
> "connecting, waiting for reply". I can log in to any of the other lists.
> 
> Is there some issue with batch subscribing that many addresses? How can I unlock
> this to get back in to do maintenance?
> 
> --
> Christopher Adams
> Oregon State Library
> 503-378-4243 x258
> chris.a.adams at state.or.us
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From ferlatte at cryptio.net  Wed Jul 10 20:14:25 2002
From: ferlatte at cryptio.net (Mark Ferlatte)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:14:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing all list subscriber passwords at once?
Message-ID: <20020710181425.GC26655@radix.cryptio.net>

Hi,

Is there any way to change all list subscriber passwords at the same
time?   I have a file of email address/password pairs that I'd like to
import, but the command line tools don't appear to work with passwords.
I'm using Mailman 2.0.11.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

M
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From tcrouch at du.edu  Wed Jul 10 21:12:27 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:12:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
Message-ID: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu>

I am looking for suggestions on a hardware purchase.  I am setting up a
new mailing list server for our University. It will host up to 500 lists
ranging from 2 subscribers to 3000 with an average of under 200.  We
will archive no more than 1 year's worth of messages.  Obviously disk
size will be number one on the priority, but I am looking for what you
would run this on.  OS will be RH Linux 7.3 the hardware will be from
Dell.  I am leaning towards the following:

Dell PowerEdge 350 1u rack server
850MHz Celeron, 128KB L2
512 MB SDRAM
20 Gig IDE boot drive
120 GIG IDE data (for archiving, data, & web)
RH Linux 7.3


This machine needs to have a lifetime of at least 3 years....


How does this sound to the group?

Thanks in advance,
Tim Crouch
University of Denver




From alex at phred.org  Wed Jul 10 21:57:03 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu>
Message-ID: <20020710124947.S83713-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Tim Crouch wrote:
> I am looking for suggestions on a hardware purchase.  I am setting up a
> new mailing list server for our University. It will host up to 500 lists
> ranging from 2 subscribers to 3000 with an average of under 200.  We
> will archive no more than 1 year's worth of messages.  Obviously disk
> size will be number one on the priority, but I am looking for what you
> would run this on.  OS will be RH Linux 7.3 the hardware will be from
> Dell.  I am leaning towards the following:
>
> Dell PowerEdge 350 1u rack server
> 850MHz Celeron, 128KB L2
> 512 MB SDRAM
> 20 Gig IDE boot drive
> 120 GIG IDE data (for archiving, data, & web)
> RH Linux 7.3
>
>
> This machine needs to have a lifetime of at least 3 years....

More important than list size is the volume of email that you need
to process.

For a server handling 500 lists I'm going to assume that during
peak volume you are going to be sending out a lot of messages.
If the server is also to act as your MTA then you will probably
need additional disk capacity.  Not in space, but in throughput.
Stripping your queue across multiple disks is the best way to
gain throughput.

The FAQ contains scaling tips for using Mailman with different MTAs.
I don't know what MTA you are using, so I can't provide any more
useful advice.  On my MTA (Windows 2000 SMTP) throughput is tightly
linked to the number of spindles...using 7200rpm disks the system can
send about 15msgs/sec/disk.  This number will vary depending on the
MTA, underlying file system, and your disk subsystem.

Assuming each list has 200 recipients (your average) and 10 messages
per day then you need to send up to 1,000,000 messages per day (I'm
also assuming each message is going to a different domain, or that
you'll turn on VERP when you have Mailman 2.1).  That is 11/sec spread
out through 24 hour day.  Chances are that you'll have a 10 hour peak
window with most of that traffic, and will need considerably better
throughput.

I would look at least striping your MTA queue across two spindles.

alex





From admin at caddadvantage.com  Wed Jul 10 23:26:24 2002
From: admin at caddadvantage.com (Joshua James)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:26:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new to MailMan
Message-ID: 

I just installed MailMan 2.0.9 from RedHat.
I get an error in my Root Email account with some script jumbo
 
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 83, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 50, in ?
    MAILMAN_UID = pwd.getpwnam('mailman')[2]
KeyError: getpwnam(): name not found
 
 
How do I fix this, and get MailMan to run properly.
 
Joshua James
IT Manager - CADD Advantage
http://www.caddadvantage.com
 
 
 
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From carl at gruffudd.com  Thu Jul 11 01:05:03 2002
From: carl at gruffudd.com (Carl Harris)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.12 qrunner errors
Message-ID: 

Howdy.

I just upgraded from version 2.0 to 2.0.12 and I started getting the
following errors:

Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 283, in ?
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 253, in main
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist,
msg, msgdata)
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
ParseMailCommands
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230):      precedence = msg.get('precedence',
'').lower()
Jul 10 19:31:01 2002 qrunner(3230): AttributeError :  'string' object has no
attribute 'lower'

Any idea what is going on and how do I fix it?

I am currently running Python 2.2.1 on redhat 7.2,

Thanks in advance

--Carl





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 11 06:14:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:14:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Crouch  
   of "Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:12:27 MDT." <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> 
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> 
Message-ID: <31943.1026360886@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:12:27 -0600 
Tim Crouch  wrote:

> I am looking for suggestions on a hardware purchase.  I am setting up
> a new mailing list server for our University. It will host up to 500
> lists ranging from 2 subscribers to 3000 with an average of under 200.
> We will archive no more than 1 year's worth of messages.  

You're missing the prime statistics:

  Number of messages broadcast by the list server.

and:

  Responsiveness and locality of target MXes.

> Obviously disk size will be number one on the priority, but I am
> looking for what you would run this on.  OS will be RH Linux 7.3 the
> hardware will be from Dell.  I am leaning towards the following:

> Dell PowerEdge 350 1u rack server 850MHz Celeron, 128KB L2 512 MB
> SDRAM 20 Gig IDE boot drive 120 GIG IDE data (for archiving, data, &
> web) RH Linux 7.3

Guessing at your numbers I'd be a tempted to:

  a) Add more RAM.  Number of queue runners for your MTA
  b) drop the CPU speed if it will save any money, though I suspect
     that's as low as you can buy these days.
  c) go SCSI with /var/spool/MTA, /var/log, and /var/www on different
     spindles.
  e) don't use Sendmail (the RH default).  I'd generically tend towards
     Postfix, though Exim would also be recommendable.
  f) Head for Mailman v2.1 sooner rather than later.  You might
     especially want to look into v2.1's plugin layer for subscriber
     lists.

I don't know Dell's line or if they do anything like that.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From westin at fas.harvard.edu  Thu Jul 11 06:24:38 2002
From: westin at fas.harvard.edu (Greg Westin)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 00:24:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Postfix and OS X
Message-ID: <1CCB0850-9486-11D6-96BA-003065C03184@fas.harvard.edu>

I'm trying to set up Mailman on OS X with Postfix as my MTA, but I've 
had some trouble.  Here are my problems, which may or may not be related:

1.  The options I specified in mm_cfg.py aren't being applied, I don't 
think.  For example, the links to send comments to the mailman-owner 
just say to 'mailman-owner@', with no domain name, even though it's 
specified in mm_cfg.py.  I accidentally edited the Defaults file once, 
but then changed everything back and saved it again.  Is that what cased 
my problem?  When I changed the domain in the Defaults file, the 
mailman-owner address was displayed properly.

2.  I left all my settings as sendmail, because I didn't know how to 
change things for Postfix.  When Mailman send mail, though, it doesn't 
work correctly.  For example, when I try to subscribe to a list, the 
mail Mailman tries to send is from the invalid address test-
owner at .mydomain.com, which is rejected by my e-mail server.  Why is that 
extra period there?  I don't know, but it messes everything up.

3.  I know there was something else, but I've forgotten it.  Here's a 
question: can anyone tell me how to get Postfix to start automatically 
when I log in?  The tutorial I used to set it up gave instructions to do 
so, but I still have to start it manually every time I restart.

Thanks,

Greg Westin
westin at fas.harvard.edu





From westin at fas.harvard.edu  Thu Jul 11 07:12:42 2002
From: westin at fas.harvard.edu (Greg Westin)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 01:12:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Postfix and OS X
In-Reply-To: <1CCB0850-9486-11D6-96BA-003065C03184@fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: 

I think I solved my issues, and they were simple.  The only problems 
were that 1) I had accidentally typed DEFAULT_HOME_NAME or something 
like that instead of DEFAULT_HOST_NAME, and 2) I hadn't re-specified 
MAILMAN_OWNER after redefining DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in the mm_cfg.py file.

I think I'm all set now... sorry about the trouble.  But if anyone can 
tell me any particular changes I should make to my configuration so that 
things work better with Postfix, please let me know.  I think I did what 
the install FAQ recommends for Postfix, creating another aliases 
database in the mailman folder, etc, but other than that I don't think 
I've done anything Postfix-specific.

Thanks,

Greg

On Thursday, July 11, 2002, at 12:24 AM, Greg Westin wrote:

> I'm trying to set up Mailman on OS X with Postfix as my MTA, but I've 
> had some trouble.  Here are my problems, which may or may not be 
> related:
>
> 1.  The options I specified in mm_cfg.py aren't being applied, I don't 
> think.  For example, the links to send comments to the mailman-owner 
> just say to 'mailman-owner@', with no domain name, even though it's 
> specified in mm_cfg.py.  I accidentally edited the Defaults file once, 
> but then changed everything back and saved it again.  Is that what 
> cased my problem?  When I changed the domain in the Defaults file, the 
> mailman-owner address was displayed properly.
>
> 2.  I left all my settings as sendmail, because I didn't know how to 
> change things for Postfix.  When Mailman send mail, though, it doesn't 
> work correctly.  For example, when I try to subscribe to a list, the 
> mail Mailman tries to send is from the invalid address test-
> owner at .mydomain.com, which is rejected by my e-mail server.  Why is 
> that extra period there?  I don't know, but it messes everything up.
>
> 3.  I know there was something else, but I've forgotten it.  Here's a 
> question: can anyone tell me how to get Postfix to start automatically 
> when I log in?  The tutorial I used to set it up gave instructions to 
> do so, but I still have to start it manually every time I restart.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg Westin
> westin at fas.harvard.edu
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From comquest at ryoju.net  Thu Jul 11 08:32:59 2002
From: comquest at ryoju.net (comquest)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:32:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ?? MM2.1b2 Contains code of W32/Nimda.eml ??
Message-ID: <01cc01c228a4$cd3279a0$6f00a8c0@aqua>

==============
  mailman-2.1b2.tgz
  ArchiveType: GZ
    --> mailman-2.1b2.tar
        Contains code of W32/Nimda.eml
==============

Someone please put my mind at ease. Is this a false virus find?
Before testing the beta (2 mo's ago) I checked with symantec -- No virus. 
With AntiVir (current personal release) the above Nimda virus is 'found'. I do not remember the mirror on http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php used but I believe it to be the same as Virginia, North America or telia.dl.sourceforge.net_sourceforge ...

I repeated the virgina download and rescanned .. same 'virus' code found...

should I be concerned?

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Jul 11 09:16:36 2002
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:16:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ?? MM2.1b2 Contains code of W32/Nimda.eml
  ??
In-Reply-To: <01cc01c228a4$cd3279a0$6f00a8c0@aqua>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711030743.00a0e730@lennier.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:32 PM 7/10/02 -0700, you wrote:
>==============
>   mailman-2.1b2.tgz
>   ArchiveType: GZ
>     --> mailman-2.1b2.tar
>         Contains code of W32/Nimda.eml
>==============
>
>Someone please put my mind at ease. Is this a false virus find?
>Before testing the beta (2 mo's ago) I checked with symantec -- No virus.
>With AntiVir (current personal release) the above Nimda virus is 'found'. 
>I do not remember the mirror on 
>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php 
>used but I believe it to be the same as Virginia, North America or 
>telia.dl.sourceforge.net_sourceforge ...
>
>I repeated the virgina download and rescanned .. same 'virus' code found...
>
>should I be concerned?
>

There's an inactive piece of a nimda file in one of the test files, not 
even complete, it's just the mime wrapper that a nimda once came, in, with 
the payload replaced by XXXXX; apparently it's just enough to trigger 
*that* scanner, but the other scanners realize that it's not the same 
file.  Your scanner is operating on a *really* narrow pattern, since 
there's no payload in the note, it has to be picking up either the subject 
of the message in the test file, or the filename of the fake mime attachment...





From courtney at 4th.com  Thu Jul 11 14:43:06 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:43:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <31943.1026360886@kanga.nu>
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> <31943.1026360886@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <200207110843.06477.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 11 July 2002 12:14 am, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Tim Crouch  wrote:
> > Obviously disk size will be number one on the priority, but I am
> > looking for what you would run this on.  OS will be RH Linux 7.3 the
> > hardware will be from Dell.  I am leaning towards the following:
> >
> > Dell PowerEdge 350 1u rack server 850MHz Celeron, 128KB L2 512 MB
> > SDRAM 20 Gig IDE boot drive 120 GIG IDE data (for archiving, data, &
> > web) RH Linux 7.3
>
> Guessing at your numbers I'd be a tempted to:
>
>   a) Add more RAM.  Number of queue runners for your MTA

Here's a silly question: Is it worth considering *really* upping the RAM,
say to two gigabytes, and then putting /var/spool/mqueue on a RAM disk?
Downside: Lose any outbound mail in the event of a crash. Upside: Speed.
Obviously something that Mr. Crouch will have to evaluate in light of
how important it is not to lose outbound mail. You'd also have to make
a "hook" in the SysVinit startup/shutdown scripts so that the RAM disk
gets archived on normal shutdown and restored on startup.

Another approach, much easier: Buy a lot of RAM, and rely on Linux using
the excess as disk cache. This is probably a much better idea.

I suspect my first paragraph above is not practical. I toss it out onto
the list not so much in expectation of anyone trying it, but just to
see if anyone thinks it's even worth experimentation. I would never even
consider this for "regular" email service, but in many contexts lists are
considered a lower priority with regard to reliability. And even if some
outbound messages were lost in the (infrequent) crash scenario, they would
still be available in the archives.

>   b) drop the CPU speed if it will save any money, though I suspect
>      that's as low as you can buy these days.

With respect, I disagree. The price difference between CPU speeds below
about 1 GHz is insignificant. It's nice to have some CPU headroom so that
you can do things like compile the next version of Mailman on the same
machine, in a test directory, without impacting production. And there will
be peak CPU usage times, such as at night when the logrotate job runs.
Speaking of which, disabling "locatedb" on this machine is probably a good
idea.

A second reason for not short-changing this machine's processor: Any server
in this kind of heavy-duty production will be tricky to upgrade from a
logistical standpoint. If you build in some headroom, you postpone for more
years the need to migrate all of this to a new machine.

>   c) go SCSI with /var/spool/MTA, /var/log, and /var/www on different
>      spindles.

Yes, definitely. Also, for a system that will have this many files on it,
consider using a journaling filesystem rather than ext2. I have had superb
success with Reiserfs, but there are also IBM's JFS, SGI's XFS, and the
ext2-compatible ext3. Reiserfs has significant performance improvement over
ext2 and ext3, especially on small files, and it might be a good choice
for this system.

If you have an abrupt shutdown, you will be very glad *not* to have to wait
hours for fsck to run on a 120 gig drive array.

Whatever you choose to do with regard to filesystems, J C Lawrence has given
you good advice on the drives. Buy SCSI, not IDE, and go for the fastest
RPM and seek times you can find. I/O throughput and I/O latency will be your
bottleneck, not CPU speed. Don't short-change your network connectivity,
either, and be sure to put in a second Ethernet adapter so that you can fail
over to it if something happens to the primary adapter.

Just out of curiosity, what are you planning to do for backup media? You may
need a secondary SCSI controller channel to prevent contention for bus
bandwidth during large backup runs. It could be a lower-cost SCSI board than
the primary, probably.

Scott

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http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)
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From courtney at 4th.com  Thu Jul 11 15:39:00 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:39:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <80256BF3.004A12B6.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>
References: <80256BF3.004A12B6.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200207110939.00536.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 11 July 2002 09:13 am, matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk wrote:
> Agree with all that.  Am using Compaq 380, 5 x 36 Gb hard discs and
> hardware Raid5, 1Gb RAM and 512Mb swap, Reiserfs.
>
> However on these machines mailman is sending batches of mail to separate
> MTA/relays.

That's a good idea, too, because it offloads the retries of failed SMTP from
the Mailman server to the separate relays.

In that kind of an environment, my idea for a RAMDISK-based /var/spool/mqueue
might not be so far-fetched, on the Mailman machine iteslf, because the mail
would only be there for a matter of seconds rather than for hours or days.

What method are you using to determind what relay gets each outbound message
transaction?

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
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courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)
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From gpdoyon at maine.rr.com  Thu Jul 11 16:13:11 2002
From: gpdoyon at maine.rr.com (Gerry Doyon)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:13:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not
 web
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3138302.1026203132@[192.168.2.89]>
 
Message-ID: <182396552.1026382391@[192.168.2.89]>

Hello!

--On Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:51 PM +0200 Detlef Neubauer 
 wrote:

|> I would prefer to create some sort of an HTML link on my web site
|> which, when clicked, will launch the users on mail software and
|> have the Send and Subject line already filled in that will either
|> SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE the user.
|
| 

The "subscribe" e-mail works great! But, passing "unsubcribe" or 
"un-subscribe" is not recognized.

Do you have an idea as to how I can accomplish this?

Thanks!

Best regards,

Gerry Doyon

|
|
| Mit freundlichen Gr??en
| Detlef Neubauer
|
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From bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie  Thu Jul 11 16:41:54 2002
From: bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie (Robert Crosbie)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:41:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Postfix and OS X
In-Reply-To: 
References: <1CCB0850-9486-11D6-96BA-003065C03184@fas.harvard.edu> 
Message-ID: <20020711144154.GA26819@lummux.tchpc.tcd.ie>

Greg Westin hath declared on Thursday the 11 day of July 2002  :-:
 
> I think I'm all set now... sorry about the trouble.  But if anyone can 
> tell me any particular changes I should make to my configuration so that 
> things work better with Postfix, please let me know.  I think I did what 
> the install FAQ recommends for Postfix, creating another aliases 
> database in the mailman folder, etc, but other than that I don't think 
> I've done anything Postfix-specific.

> >3.  I know there was something else, but I've forgotten it.  Here's a 
> >question: can anyone tell me how to get Postfix to start automatically 
> >when I log in?  The tutorial I used to set it up gave instructions to 
> >do so, but I still have to start it manually every time I restart.
 
If I recall correctly you can replace the sendmail startup script in 
/System/Library/StartupItems/Sendmail/ with a script that starts
postfix, generally "/path/to/postfix start". I don't recall if
there are Start/Stop/Restart/etc options in that script, I'm sure 
that you can figure it out...

Then just make sure that you have `` MAILSERVER=-YES- '' in
/etc/hostconfig so that sendmail (now postfix) will be automatically
started on boot.

Note, this is from my shabby memory, so I could be mistaken, 
I'm sure a bit of googling should set you straight.


- bobb





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Jul 11 16:49:43 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 11 Jul 2002 16:49:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
In-Reply-To: Gerry Doyon's message of "Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:13:11 -0400"
References: <3138302.1026203132@[192.168.2.89]>
	
	<182396552.1026382391@[192.168.2.89]>
Message-ID: 

Gerry Doyon  writes:

> Detlef Neubauer  wrote:
>
> |  | href="mailto:listname-request at domain.tld?subject=subscribe;body=sub
> | scribe">
> 
> The "subscribe" e-mail works great! But, passing "unsubcribe" or
> "un-subscribe" is not recognized.

For unsubscribe a password will needed.

> Do you have an idea as to how I can accomplish this?

Replace the string "replace this with your password" with your password

:-)

Not tested.


Please send no Cc:. I answer only via the list.
Detlef Neubauer
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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 11 17:59:38 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:59:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Courtney  
   of "Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:43:06 EDT." <200207110843.06477.courtney@4th.com> 
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> <31943.1026360886@kanga.nu>  <200207110843.06477.courtney@4th.com> 
Message-ID: <8003.1026403178@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:43:06 -0400 
Scott Courtney  wrote:
> On Thursday 11 July 2002 12:14 am, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> a) Add more RAM.  Number of queue runners for your MTA

> Here's a silly question: Is it worth considering *really* upping the
> RAM, say to two gigabytes, and then putting /var/spool/mqueue on a RAM
> disk?  

Probably not, for two simple reasons:

  1) Too small.  He has a fairly large number of lists and the high
  probability of flash bursts in traffic, both in terms of numbers of
  messages and total size of outbound spool.  I could trivially see a
  RAM disk that small being exhausted.

  2) No battery backup (the other side of the stability issue you
  mention).  Doing it properly would involve something like a Rupp solid
  state disk (which is also big enough for a spool) with battery backup
  -- which would also happen to blow his budget.

> Another approach, much easier: Buy a lot of RAM, and rely on Linux
> using the excess as disk cache. This is probably a much better idea.

MTAs are limited by physical disk IO.  They do lots of reads and writes
(which can be cached), and more importantly, do lots of calls to sync()
and close() which explicitly flush those caches down to metal.

> I suspect my first paragraph above is not practical. I toss it out
> onto the list not so much in expectation of anyone trying it, but just
> to see if anyone thinks it's even worth experimentation. I would never
> even consider this for "regular" email service, but in many contexts
> lists are considered a lower priority with regard to reliability. And
> even if some outbound messages were lost in the (infrequent) crash
> scenario, they would still be available in the archives.

Ignoring the use of battery backed up solid state disks (which I know of
a few large mail shops using), this assumes that archiving is
synchronous with receipt and broadcast.  This is currently the case with
mailman 2.0 if you still use Pipermail, and IIRC not true with v2.1.

>> b) drop the CPU speed if it will save any money, though I suspect
>> that's as low as you can buy these days.

> With respect, I disagree. The price difference between CPU speeds
> below about 1 GHz is insignificant. 

Err, that's what I said.

> It's nice to have some CPU headroom so that you can do things like
> compile the next version of Mailman on the same machine, in a test
> directory, without impacting production. 

That wouldn't be a problem even with a quite smaller CPU.

> Speaking of which, disabling "locatedb" on this machine is probably a
> good idea.

True, along with other general system tuning.  The big question is still
what basic mail volumes are.  Without that we're just guessing.  

> A second reason for not short-changing this machine's processor: Any
> server in this kind of heavy-duty production will be tricky to upgrade
> from a logistical standpoint. If you build in some headroom, you
> postpone for more years the need to migrate all of this to a new
> machine.

True.  He asked for 3 years.

>> c) go SCSI with /var/spool/MTA, /var/log, and /var/www on different
>> spindles.

> Yes, definitely. Also, for a system that will have this many files on
> it, consider using a journaling filesystem rather than ext2. I have
> had superb success with Reiserfs, but there are also IBM's JFS, SGI's
> XFS, and the ext2-compatible ext3. Reiserfs has significant
> performance improvement over ext2 and ext3, especially on small files,
> and it might be a good choice for this system.

Journalling actually is a loss in this sort of scenario due to the extra
tracking and buffer copy overhead.  The nice thing about ReiserFS and
XFS in particular is that the other optimisations they make more than
make up for that cost.

Please see the large mail system stuff I wrote up in the FAQ last year.

> Just out of curiosity, what are you planning to do for backup media? 
> You may need a secondary SCSI controller channel to prevent contention
> for bus bandwidth during large backup runs. It could be a lower-cost
> SCSI board than the primary, probably.

Ahem.  He doesn't have enough SCSI targets to make that a problem.
Remember how SCSI disconnect works.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From greg at gregwestin.com  Thu Jul 11 18:13:07 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives only display list e-mail
Message-ID: <165D4B4A-94E9-11D6-B16F-0005028941BE@gregwestin.com>

I apologize if this gets posted multiple times.  I accidentally sent the 
message from the wrong account, one not subscribed to the list, and so 
it's tied up waiting for admin approval.  Hopefully the admin will see 
this and just delete it.

---

I just set up Mailman, and everything seems to be working fine, but when 
I look at my archives, I notice that it displays the list e-mail address 
next to every person's name, rather than that person's e-mail address.  
Is that normal?  Is there any way to change that?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com





From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Thu Jul 11 18:14:36 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 11 Jul 2002 17:14:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <8003.1026403178@kanga.nu>
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> <31943.1026360886@kanga.nu> 
	<200207110843.06477.courtney@4th.com>   <8003.1026403178@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <1026404078.26683.22.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 16:59, J C Lawrence wrote:
[I have reordered the quotes here - sorry if I have broken the meaning]
> Journalling actually is a loss in this sort of scenario due to the extra
> tracking and buffer copy overhead.  The nice thing about ReiserFS and
> XFS in particular is that the other optimisations they make more than
> make up for that cost.

But full data journalling on an MTA type system can gain you performance
by having the disk head basically moving linearly as the journal
writes.  On a fast turnround system by the time it comes to writing out
the actual file contents and directory entries and stuff, the file is no
longer pertinant (ie already been processed/delivered etc) and so the
write is optomised out....

> MTAs are limited by physical disk IO.  They do lots of reads and writes
> (which can be cached), and more importantly, do lots of calls to sync()
> and close() which explicitly flush those caches down to metal.
... for various definitions of metal - ie a flushed journal for ext3,
and probably some form of NVRAM for a decent hardware RAID controller.


> >> c) go SCSI with /var/spool/MTA, /var/log, and /var/www on different
> >> spindles.
> 
> > Yes, definitely. Also, for a system that will have this many files on
> > it, consider using a journaling filesystem rather than ext2. I have
> > had superb success with Reiserfs, but there are also IBM's JFS, SGI's
> > XFS, and the ext2-compatible ext3. Reiserfs has significant
> > performance improvement over ext2 and ext3, especially on small files,
> > and it might be a good choice for this system.

SCSI or even better a *good* hardware RAID controller.  Filesystems are
a religious issue but I still keep hearing more mentions of resiserfs
going completely tits-up for my liking.  Great ideas but there still
seem to be some problems there.....

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 11 19:26:11 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:26:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Courtney  
   of "Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:39:00 EDT." <200207110939.00536.courtney@4th.com> 
References: <80256BF3.004A12B6.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>  <200207110939.00536.courtney@4th.com> 
Message-ID: <11102.1026408371@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:39:00 -0400 
Scott Courtney  wrote:

> What method are you using to determind what relay gets each outbound
> message transaction?

First order optimisation is domain suffix routing (all .edu there, all
.org there, all aol.com over there, etc).  That can take you a long way.
Second order optimisation is monitoring of fast and slow MXes and
dynamically/periodically reconfiguring the mail routing so that mail is
relayed to a server configured for the responsiveness of that MX.  After
that you get into things like Chuq's army of nerfs.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 11 19:27:10 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:27:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Courtney  
   of "Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:39:00 EDT." <200207110939.00536.courtney@4th.com> 
References: <80256BF3.004A12B6.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>  <200207110939.00536.courtney@4th.com> 
Message-ID: <11117.1026408430@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:39:00 -0400 
Scott Courtney  wrote:
> On Thursday 11 July 2002 09:13 am, matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk
> wrote:

> In that kind of an environment, my idea for a RAMDISK-based
> /var/spool/mqueue might not be so far-fetched, on the Mailman machine
> iteslf, because the mail would only be there for a matter of seconds
> rather than for hours or days.

Why bother?  Just have Mailman deliver directly to the remote MTA, and
then have that system sub-route from there if needed/wanted?

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From courtney at 4th.com  Thu Jul 11 19:32:35 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:32:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <8003.1026403178@kanga.nu>
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> <200207110843.06477.courtney@4th.com> <8003.1026403178@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <200207111332.35359.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 11 July 2002 11:59 am, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:43:06 -0400
>
> Scott Courtney  wrote:
> > On Thursday 11 July 2002 12:14 am, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >> a) Add more RAM.  Number of queue runners for your MTA
> >
> > Here's a silly question: Is it worth considering *really* upping the
> > RAM, say to two gigabytes, and then putting /var/spool/mqueue on a RAM
> > disk?
>
> Probably not, for two simple reasons:
>
>   1) Too small.  He has a fairly large number of lists and the high
>   probability of flash bursts in traffic, both in terms of numbers of
>   messages and total size of outbound spool.  I could trivially see a
>   RAM disk that small being exhausted.

Agreed, though with the addition of the dedicated MTA relay servers and
just using the local SMTP to send to them at LAN speeds, this might not
be an issue.

>
>   2) No battery backup (the other side of the stability issue you
>   mention).  Doing it properly would involve something like a Rupp solid
>   state disk (which is also big enough for a spool) with battery backup
>   -- which would also happen to blow his budget.

I make the assumption of a UPS on *any* machine that is used as a server.

[...]
>

I wrote:

> > I suspect my first paragraph above is not practical.
[...]

And from your comments, it appears that my first suspicion of my own idea
was correct: it's not practical. Thanks for the enlightenment about Sendmail
internals; I didn't realize it did so many explicity sync() calls.

>
> Ignoring the use of battery backed up solid state disks (which I know of
> a few large mail shops using), this assumes that archiving is
> synchronous with receipt and broadcast.

Good point.

>
> >> b) drop the CPU speed if it will save any money, though I suspect
> >> that's as low as you can buy these days.
> >
> > With respect, I disagree. The price difference between CPU speeds
> > below about 1 GHz is insignificant.
>
> Err, that's what I said.

Sorry, then...that wasn't the way I read your post. I stand corrected.

[...]
>
> >> c) go SCSI with /var/spool/MTA, /var/log, and /var/www on different
> >> spindles.
> >
> > Yes, definitely. Also, for a system that will have this many files on
> > it, consider using a journaling filesystem rather than ext2.
[...]
>
> Journalling actually is a loss in this sort of scenario due to the extra
> tracking and buffer copy overhead.  The nice thing about ReiserFS and
> XFS in particular is that the other optimisations they make more than
> make up for that cost.

Which was my point, though re-reading my post I appear not to have expressed
it very well. I meant use of a journaled filesystem because (1) they are
generally faster than ext2, though as you correctly point out this is for
reasons other than the journaling itself, and (2) because in the event of
an abrupt shutdown, doing an fsck on 120G would be, ummm, nontrivial.

I'm sorry I wasn't very clear on this. My internal subtext was much more
detailed than what I wrote.

>
> Please see the large mail system stuff I wrote up in the FAQ last year.
>

I browsed that when I first started with Mailman, but I'll go back and re-read
again for interest. :-)

> > Just out of curiosity, what are you planning to do for backup media?
> > You may need a secondary SCSI controller channel to prevent contention
> > for bus bandwidth during large backup runs. It could be a lower-cost
> > SCSI board than the primary, probably.
>
> Ahem.  He doesn't have enough SCSI targets to make that a problem.
> Remember how SCSI disconnect works.

Fair enough, and good point. Thanks for the enlightening reply to my post.

Scott

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)
                       | PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/courtney.pubkey





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 11 19:36:12 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:36:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham  
   of "11 Jul 2002 17:14:36 BST." <1026404078.26683.22.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> <31943.1026360886@kanga.nu> <200207110843.06477.courtney@4th.com> <8003.1026403178@kanga.nu>  <1026404078.26683.22.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
Message-ID: <11350.1026408972@kanga.nu>

On 11 Jul 2002 17:14:36 +0100 
Nigel Metheringham  wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-07-11 at 16:59, J C Lawrence wrote: 

> [I have reordered the quotes here - sorry if I have broken the
> meaning]

Hehn.  A favoured habit of mine.

> But full data journalling on an MTA type system can gain you
> performance by having the disk head basically moving linearly as the
> journal writes.  On a fast turnround system by the time it comes to
> writing out the actual file contents and directory entries and stuff,
> the file is no longer pertinant (ie already been processed/delivered
> etc) and so the write is optomised out....

Excellent point.  The added latency can allow a lazy journal to nuke the
transaction.

> SCSI or even better a *good* hardware RAID controller.  

The real problem with proffering advice here is that we don't know his
loading.  Without some idea of his mail volumes and delivery targets (if
he's lucky the majority will be local LAN) its really tough to say what
he'd need for hardware.  Still, I do like the Mylex DAC960 cards...

> Filesystems are a religious issue but I still keep hearing more
> mentions of resiserfs going completely tits-up for my liking.  Great
> ideas but there still seem to be some problems there.....

I can't comment well to this other than to note that I've been running
ReiserFS almost exclusively (I've generally left / and /boot as ext2,
but that's less than 128Meg combined) for a couple years now on my list
servers, desktops, web servers, etc.  I had one problem in the early
months which may have been exacerbated or caused by a failing drive and
a known-bad kernel (the TLB IPI wait bug).  Beyond that it has been
flawless.  

As always, its the proverbial personal experience card...

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 11 19:42:21 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:42:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Courtney  
   of "Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:32:35 EDT." <200207111332.35359.courtney@4th.com> 
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> <200207110843.06477.courtney@4th.com> <8003.1026403178@kanga.nu>  <200207111332.35359.courtney@4th.com> 
Message-ID: <11507.1026409341@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:32:35 -0400 
Scott Courtney  wrote:
> On Thursday 11 July 2002 11:59 am, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:43:06 -0400

> And from your comments, it appears that my first suspicion of my own
> idea was correct: it's not practical. Thanks for the enlightenment
> about Sendmail internals; I didn't realize it did so many explicity
> sync() calls.

You might to look over the RFCs for SMTP and pay particular attention to
the bits about guarantees and transaction handling.  At each one of
those points the systems on both ends have to push the current message
state down to metal (or RAID cache etc) and synchronise their states in
case one or both of the systems suffers a sudden catastrophic failure
(eg power cord pulled) at just the wrong moment.

It tends to define a whole lot of sync() and open()/close() calls (which
latter force a buffer and inode flush).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Thu Jul 11 19:58:46 2002
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:58:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive problem...
In-Reply-To: <01cc01c228a4$cd3279a0$6f00a8c0@aqua>
Message-ID: <3D2D72F6.31647.4DBB6D3@localhost>

I'm using Mailman 2.0.8 and have been having some problems with my archives.  I hope 
someone can give me a suggestion as to how to clear up the mess.

Some of the mailing lists are fine, but in a few mailing lists, only the last two months 
are available from the web menu.  Looking in the 
/usr/local/mailbox/archive/public/ directory and at the 
/usr/local/mailbox/archive/public/.mbox/.mbox makes me 
think all the data is there.

A look at the /usr/local/mailbox/logs/error files shows lots of corrupt file errors.  
I've copied the traceback for the most recent run on one of the mailing lists.

Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720): Traceback (most recent call last):
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 221, in ArchiveMail
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article)
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 528, in processUnixMailbox
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     self.add_article(a)
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 928, in add_article
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     self.__super_add_article(article)
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 567, in add_article
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     article.parentID = parentID = 
self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 587, in get_parent_info
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     refs = 
self._remove_external_references(article.references)
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 619, in 
_remove_external_references
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     if self.database.hasArticle(self.archive, ref):
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 267, in hasArticle
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     self.__openIndices(archive)
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 245, in __openIndices
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' 
+ i))
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 68
, in __init__
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     self.load()
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):   File 
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 17
3, in load
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720):     self.dict = marshal.load(fp)
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 qrunner(1720): ValueError: bad marshal data
Jul 11 11:46:00 2002 (1720) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: 
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc

Thanks,
Mike
-- 
Mike Avery                            
MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
ICQ: 16241692                        AOL IM: 
MAvery81230
Phone: 970-642-0282
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way *

A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
    A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.







From greg at gregwestin.com  Thu Jul 11 19:59:37 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:59:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman home HTML
Message-ID: 

Am I correct in saying that, by default, accessing mydomain.com/mailman 
results in an error?  Or did I mess something up in the installation?  I 
was thinking about just setting the server to redirect all requests for 
/mailman to /mailman/listinfo, or something like that... would I run 
into some problems if I tried to do that?  I don't know whether I'd have 
to set up an index.cgi in mailman's cgi folder, or if I could just set 
an alias in Apache or something like that.

Also, I saw when administering a list that you can change the HTML for a 
list's home page, but how would one go about changing the HTML for other 
things, like the listinfo page or something?  Would that be a poor idea 
on my part, or would it just be harmless fiddling?

Thanks for contributing to this UNIX-newbie's education,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com





From bjoern at kyza.de  Tue Jul  9 16:35:23 2002
From: bjoern at kyza.de (Bjoern Kaiser)
Date: 09 Jul 2002 16:35:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error import paths in File "bin/update"
Message-ID: <1026225324.1073.23.camel@webgine>

Hi

First my System-Configuration
RedHat 7.3
Python 2.2
Apache 1.3.23
gcc 2.96
sendmail 8.11

I have been tried to run Mailman 2.0.12 and that worked,
but I need a german Mailman. So I tried Mailman 2.1b2 with
Multi-Lingual Support.
I removed the previous version of Mailman and configured
the new one with the same configure parameters I used for
the old one.
But when running "make install" it

---begin quote--- 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 44, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths
make: *** [update] Error 1
---end   quote---

Can anyone help me with that??


--
Best regards,
   Bjoern Kaiser                       mailto:bjoern at kyza.de






From white at extrasy.net  Tue Jul  9 19:58:28 2002
From: white at extrasy.net (Alexander Prohorenko)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 20:58:28 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customisable Welcome (subscribeack.txt) message
Message-ID: <1453027222.20020709205828@extrasy.net>

Hello Mailmen :),

I've got a problem and hopefully you'll help me to find a way out.  I
need to customize a Welcome message (subscribeack.txt template) for
every list, by other words - I need it to different things for
different lists.  Are there any way to customize it, as well as I can
do subscribe.html or other HTML pages?  It'd be just great.

Thanks, hope to hear from you shortly.

ps. Please, don't reply to the list, I'm not a subscriber yet.

-- 
Alexander Prohorenko





From sherif at ritchie.acomp.usf.edu  Tue Jul  9 21:14:10 2002
From: sherif at ritchie.acomp.usf.edu (Sherif Karaoglu)
Date: 09 Jul 2002 15:14:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving and Replys
Message-ID: <1026242050.6620.50.camel@saber.acomp.usf.edu>

Hi, I am setting up mailman to replace Lyris as our listserv manager,
and so far things are going great.  Unfortunately I have come across a
small problem,  I'm using an external archiver (hypermail - my boss
likes its output better than pipermail) which I have set up to work and
it will automatically update the archives, but my problem is that replys
to messages are not entered into the .mbox file and therefore aren't
getting into the archives.  I saw a similar question posted but there
was no response, I hope someone might have an idea why the .mbox file is
not being updated with replys to messages.  Thanks for any help.

Sherif Karaoglu
University of South Florida
Academic Computing Department








From tajuddin at netcore.co.in  Wed Jul 10 12:43:25 2002
From: tajuddin at netcore.co.in (tajuddin)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:13:25 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newcomer to Mailman
Message-ID: <3D2C0FCD.5040203@netcore.co.in>

    Hi
I am a nex comer to the world of Mailman.
I have installed Mailman on my system.
I want to know how to attach a file to a mail whcih the mailman sends.

Thanks and Regards

Bharde Tajuddin






From white at extrasy.net  Wed Jul 10 15:00:30 2002
From: white at extrasy.net (Alexander Prohorenko)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:00:30 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MBOX to Mailman's archive
Message-ID: <9271549012.20020710160030@extrasy.net>

Hello,

I've got a mail list running under different mail list manager.  I'd
like to migrate the archive of this mail list to Mailman.  Can you
please help me how can I do this?  All I've got is the mbox-styled
messages archive from the previous manager.

Thanks.

-- 
Alexander Prohorenko





From campbr2 at mail.auburn.edu  Wed Jul 10 15:24:34 2002
From: campbr2 at mail.auburn.edu (Robert S. Campbell)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:24:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delete Users question
Message-ID: 

On your program, you have a way to add many users at once without them
recieving an email.

However, I can not find a way to delete a bunch of users without them
being notified.  I tried setting them no "nomail" and then unsubscribing
them, but they will still recieve the exit message.

I thought since you have one way to massively add people, there is also a
way to massively delete them as well.

Any thoughts?

Sorry I did not ask the main user mailing list, but I didnt think just one
question merited me joining the list (but that might change as I use
mailman more :) ).

Thanks,
Robert





From tenant at tenant.net  Wed Jul 10 15:40:31 2002
From: tenant at tenant.net (Tenant)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:40:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on Umbrella lists
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20020710093553.00a5d980@63.222.245.171>

I'm still using Mailman 2.0 beta - never bothered upgrading as it works 
fine as a one-way newsletter list. Waiting for 2.1.

I understand the concept of Umbrella lists. We run several lists and the 
membership across the lists runs about 10% -- meaning about 10% of one list 
is also on a second list. Sometimes we wish to send the same information to 
both lists, hence the idea of an umbrella list. I guess the question is 
will that 10% who are members of both lists receive both messages or just 
one? We're a little worried about duplication. Some people still get mad at 
things like that not knowing there's such a thing as a delete key.
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From jm-mailman-users at jmason.org  Thu Jul 11 13:46:33 2002
From: jm-mailman-users at jmason.org (jm-mailman-users at jmason.org)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:46:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with Mailman address security?
Message-ID: <20020711114638.78F2C43D45@netnoteinc.com>

Here's a wierd one.  I run a mailing list which is set to "subscriber
list visible only to administrator", and it seems that some addresses
(if not all) have leaked onto a spam list.

- I'm (reasonably) certain the user did not simply use the same address
  elsewhere -- the user uses sneakemail.com, which generates one-time
  addresses randomly, and assures me that the addr was used only for my
  list.

- the user has never *posted* to the list, it's an announce-only one.

- the /roster/ page is definitely set to "admin only" visibility, and
  always has been.

- the headers of the message the user received, indicate the spam was sent
  direct from spammer to user, not via the list itself.  Anyway, the list
  is moderated ;)  .  Also, I got a copy of the spam to my own address
  used for that list.  So I'm pretty certain the address was scraped
  somehow.

Can anyone suggest a way this is possible with MailMan, without a spammer
needing the admin password to scrape the list?  Or without them hacking
the box in general?

--j.




From anne.moreau at usherbrooke.ca  Thu Jul 11 17:14:11 2002
From: anne.moreau at usherbrooke.ca (Anne Moreau)
Date: 11 Jul 2002 11:14:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from majordomo to mailman
Message-ID: <1026400467.2065.17.camel@pc-amoreau.si.usherb.ca>

Hi :-)

we are thinking of migrating from majordomo to Mailman mainly for 2
reasons :
1- French support
2- Web interface for users and lists administrators.

We have over 450 lists in majordomo, with several different
configurations. I suppose we are not the first institution to do this
"migration", so I was wondering if by any chance there would be a script
somewhere that would create the mailman lists with the majordomo infos,
i.e. subscribers and more important : the parameters for the
configuration...

I think I am hoping for a miracle with such a script... :-)

Any idea that would automate as much as possible that transition would
be greatly appreciated 

Thank you very much :-)
Anne Moreau







From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Thu Jul 11 20:41:45 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:41:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
In-Reply-To: <010301c22777$9b60d080$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>
References: <000301c2274e$656d4ef0$6401a8c0@ws1>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020711133952.01ff6d50@paulsfunhouse.com>

Unless the list is set to confirm ... then they will only get subscribed if 
they mail back the confirmation.  My lists are set up to subscribe via the 
web using multiple checkboxes and PHP...it has worked excellent since it 
was installed in March 2002....I did attempt the unsubscribe in the same 
way but it didn't function properly and it has since been removed.  My site 
is at:

http://lists.paulsfunhouse.com

Paul


At 01:36 PM 09/07/02, Support Desk wrote:
>Actually, a form like that could be dangerous; unscrupulous
>bum could subscribe enemy to multiple lists at once, and
>although the actual subscriptions would not activate, due
>to Mailman's required confirmation process, it could easily
>harass the receiver, and the list manager, for lists that
>require manager approval, or that send the manager
>notice of new subs/unsubs. That said, here are some links:
>
>Build a custom script for managing subscribers:
>http://subscriber.newfieldcash.com/ this is especially useful
>for lists that are on mutiple servers, running multiple
>listserve clients 
>and is not specific to Mailman.





From courtney at 4th.com  Thu Jul 11 20:58:11 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:58:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <11507.1026409341@kanga.nu>
References: <3D2C871B.D6F41C97@du.edu> <200207111332.35359.courtney@4th.com> <11507.1026409341@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <200207111458.11037.courtney@4th.com>

On Thursday 11 July 2002 01:42 pm, J C Lawrence wrote:
> You might to look over the RFCs for SMTP and pay particular attention to
> the bits about guarantees and transaction handling. 
[...]
>
> It tends to define a whole lot of sync() and open()/close() calls (which
> latter force a buffer and inode flush).

You're right, of course. It's been several years since I've needed to get into
SMTP RFCs in that level of detail.

-- 
-----------------------+------------------------------------------------------
Scott Courtney         | "I don't mind Microsoft making money. I mind them
courtney at 4th.com       | having a bad operating system."    -- Linus Torvalds
http://4th.com/        | ("The Rebel Code," NY Times, 21 February 1999)
                       | PGP Public Key at http://4th.com/keys/courtney.pubkey





From barry at zope.com  Thu Jul 11 21:52:33 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:52:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.12
Message-ID: <15661.57857.753290.942668@anthem.wooz.org>

I' released Mailman 2.0.12 which fixes a cross-site scripting
vulnerability, among other changes.  I recommend that folks upgrade
their 2.0.x systems to this new version.  See below for a NEWS file
excerpt.

As usual, I've made both full source tarballs and patches available.
See

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

for links to download all the patches and the source tarball.  If you
decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=97760

See also:

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sf.net

Cheers,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.0.12 (02-Jul-2002)

    - Implemented a guard against some reply loops and 'bot
      subscription attacks.  Specifically, if a message to -request
      has a Precedence: bulk (or list, or junk) header, the command is
      ignored.  Well-behaved 'bots should always include such a
      header.

    - Changes to the configure script so that you can pass in the mail
      host and web host by setting the environment variables MAILHOST
      and WWWHOST respectively.  configure will also exit if it can't
      figure out these values (usually due to broken dns).

    - Closed another minor cross-site scripting vulnerability.




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Jul 12 07:04:22 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:04:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Surveying list users
Message-ID: 

I just posted this to list-managers. I think it's relevant enough to mailman
users that I'm posting a copy here. Apologies in advance to those who see
this twice or see it as noise...

----


I mentioned this a week or so ago as part of another thread. I've been
thinking about it ever since, and I've decided to go ahead and try to pull
together something to do this.

The idea: try to get a real-world, statistically significant view of the
"average" mailing list user. I plan on doing this by creating an online
survey (maximum 25 questions), and asking list managers to post a pointer to
it on their lists, and list users to ask the list manager to post the
pointer (I'm going to explicitly tell users not to do it themselves; I
expect to be ignored by some, of course)

I'd like to get 10-25,000 users worth of data here. More would be even
better. Front end PHP, back end MySQL. I plan on trying to limit it to one
submission per email address (using MD5 hashes on the address -- your
suggestion welcome for alternatives) so I can try to recognize that I've
seen an e-mail address, but not actually store the address for privacy
reasons. Failing that, I'll simply set it up so that multiple submissions
overwrite each other (last in wins).

Part of this is to try to figure out what users REAL preferences are on a
large scale -- we've had endless fights over reply-to, over subject line
flags, etc, etc. Let's see if we can figure it out once and for all.

I also want to try to figure out how these preferences change based on
various aspects of the users -- how do newer users differ from experienced
ones? That sort of thing.

Finally, I want to see if I can figure out where these users are heading --
see if we can get hints of where this stuff will be in a year, or 3.

What's this mean for list-managers? I'd like feedback on things you'd like
to find out here. Obviously, I'd like you to post the finished survey to
your lists, but for now, what I really want are ideas of what to ask, and as
I start building the survey forms, to comment on and help improve them, so
this stuff will be generally useful to all of us.

I don't expect to have a draft of the survey for a few weeks, but please
start sending suggestions of what should be on it now. It'll help me focus
what ought to be on it. Right now, I see splitting this up into a few
sections:

1) about the user: how long on the net, platform, client, etc.

2) functionality issues: html, MIME, reply-to, subject flags, etc.

3) other tools: usenet, IM, etc.

4) lists subscribed to (one reason I want to be very careful about privacy;
I don't want people to avoid listing, um, sensitive or adult lists)

Since I want to keep this pretty short (25 questions or so, to keep from
intimidating users into giving up), I don't think we'll get everything we
want. But feel free to suggest things,a nd we'll decide later what to make
the priorities...

Your thoughts on this more than encouraged...

Chuq

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh
nervously and change the subject.





From alex at phred.org  Fri Jul 12 07:34:00 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:34:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <200207111458.11037.courtney@4th.com>
Message-ID: <20020711223140.X83713-100000@phred.org>

On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Scott Courtney wrote:
> On Thursday 11 July 2002 01:42 pm, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > You might to look over the RFCs for SMTP and pay particular attention to
> > the bits about guarantees and transaction handling.
> [...]
> >
> > It tends to define a whole lot of sync() and open()/close() calls (which
> > latter force a buffer and inode flush).
>
> You're right, of course. It's been several years since I've needed to get into
> SMTP RFCs in that level of detail.

Here is the important section:

   When the receiver-SMTP accepts a piece of mail (by sending a "250 OK"
   message in response to DATA), it is accepting responsibility for
   delivering or relaying the message.  It must take this responsibility
   seriously.  It MUST NOT lose the message for frivolous reasons, such
   as because the host later crashes or because of a predictable
   resource shortage.

By my reading of this paragraph it is not acceptable to have a queue
on a RAM disk unless the disk is battery backed and won't be affected
by a server reboot.

Various companies, such as cenatek.com, make hardware that meet these
requirements.  It isn't very affordable though, and most servers would
probably do just as well with a well thought out RAID array (that
means avoiding RAID 5, which has very poor performance for small disk
writes, and SMTP servers are all about doing tons of small disk
writes).

alex





From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Fri Jul 12 09:33:00 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 12 Jul 2002 09:33:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Surveying list users
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1026459180.6774.50.camel@atlas>

On Fri, 2002-07-12 at 07:04, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> The idea: try to get a real-world, statistically significant view of the
> "average" mailing list user.

I'd think the avg mailing list user is yuor avg e-mail user receiving
spam mail.

;-)

A few serious comments:
 - 25 questions is a *lot*, if you want people who are not interested in
the operating of mailing lists to answer.
 - most people subscribed to mailing lists will be on some newsletter
(not spam, this time, but real opt-in newsletters) which have nothing to
do with computers. They won't even know what you're talking about if
you're asking them about 'mailing list software'. For many small sites,
not even the list admin will have any technical understanding.

That said, any statistical data would sure be interesting - and I'm sure
there's some people on this list with serious knowledge on
surveys/statistics so you won't collect bogus data (or do you have that
background yourself? Sorry if so).

cheers
-- vbi

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From alessio at ifc.cnr.it  Fri Jul 12 09:39:48 2002
From: alessio at ifc.cnr.it (Alessio Ciregia)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:39:48 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading production enviroment
Message-ID: <1026459588.3d2e87c4145f6@www>

How can I upgrade Mailman in a production server?
Where are the files than I MUST backup?

...where can I find these information?

thanks

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From Thomas at travelhacker.com  Fri Jul 12 10:11:44 2002
From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas at travelhacker.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:11:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a Remote Mail Server (from SendMail to Exim)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712010058.02f88be0@rockygorge.com>

We currently are currently running Mailman and Sendmail on the same 
server.  We would like to switch (mailing lists only) to Exim on another 
server in our office.

What do we need to do to point Mailman to the Exim server while leaving 
Sendmail intact?

Or do we have to totally disable Sendmail on the Mailman server?

Your advice and guidance is appreciated!

Thomas





From matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk  Fri Jul 12 11:07:29 2002
From: matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk (matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:07:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
Message-ID: <80256BF4.00338A0C.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>



On 12/07/2002 06:34:00 alex wetmore wrote:

>Various companies, such as cenatek.com, make hardware that meet these
>requirements.  It isn't very affordable though, and most servers would
>probably do just as well with a well thought out RAID array (that
>means avoiding RAID 5, which has very poor performance for small disk
>writes, and SMTP servers are all about doing tons of small disk
>writes).

Good point.

My mailman machines are Raid5 however the mail relays are mirrors.

Matthew






From matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk  Fri Jul 12 11:16:21 2002
From: matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk (matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:16:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using a Remote Mail Server (from SendMail to
	 Exim)
Message-ID: <80256BF4.00345993.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>



On 12/07/2002 09:11:44 us-ascii wrote:

>We currently are currently running Mailman and Sendmail on the same
>server.  We would like to switch (mailing lists only) to Exim on another
>server in our office.
>
>What do we need to do to point Mailman to the Exim server while leaving
>Sendmail intact?

in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

    SMTPHOST = 'the.host.you.want'

>Or do we have to totally disable Sendmail on the Mailman server?

No, quite the reverse.  Mailman needs a local MTA to receive mail directed
at it.


Matthew






From Kjell.Eidem at sintef.no  Fri Jul 12 11:55:32 2002
From: Kjell.Eidem at sintef.no (Eidem Kjell)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:55:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New installation problem
Message-ID: <7F02676CCAD45B4FBBA7BB128C72CB02584195@sintefxch3.sintef.no>

Hello.
 
I just installed Mailman 2.0.11 in a Solaris 7 system running Python 2.2.1.
The bin/check_perms executes with no problems encountered.
When I try to create a test list with bin/newlist I get the following:
 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./bin/newlist", line 54, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
    import socket
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
    from _socket import *
ImportError: No module named _socket

Any hints on this anyone?
 
 
Kjell Eidem
Sintef Electronics & Cybernetics
Trondheim
Norway
 
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From courtney at 4th.com  Fri Jul 12 15:12:04 2002
From: courtney at 4th.com (Scott Courtney)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:12:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware Requirements
In-Reply-To: <20020711223140.X83713-100000@phred.org>
References: <20020711223140.X83713-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <200207120912.04782.courtney@4th.com>

On Friday 12 July 2002 01:34 am, alex wetmore wrote:
> Here is the important section:
[...]

Thanks for the additional information.

Scott

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From tcrouch at du.edu  Fri Jul 12 16:02:44 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:02:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge queue
Message-ID: <3D2EE184.D6CC0699@du.edu>

I have been running a test server with Linux, Sendmail, Mailman.  I have
been doing a loadtest of sorts where I am sending out 20 messages every
minute to a single list.  The messages are getting delivered, archived,
etc... The job has been running for 24 hours now.  This morning I was
looking at disk space and noticed this:

[mailman at listserv mailman]$ cd qfiles
[mailman at listserv qfiles]$ du -h .
253M    .

[mailman at listserv qfiles]$ ls |wc -l
  42818


Why do I have so many db/msg files?  I could not find anything in the
FAQ about this....


Tim Crouch
University of Denver




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Jul 12 17:41:36 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:41:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge queue 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Crouch  
   of "Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:02:44 MDT." <3D2EE184.D6CC0699@du.edu> 
References: <3D2EE184.D6CC0699@du.edu> 
Message-ID: <29295.1026488496@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:02:44 -0600 
Tim Crouch  wrote:

> Why do I have so many db/msg files?  I could not find anything in the
> FAQ about this....

Have you looked at them?  They're fairly obvious as the purpose given a
quick glance at their contents.  Also check your Mailman logs.

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From larry at guestfamily.com  Fri Jul 12 23:33:55 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:33:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Caps from Lists name and Prefix
Message-ID: 

When I create a list it is all lowercase (testlist)
But when I go to the GUI it shows up with a cap as the first letter
(Testlist)

This happens to the real name and prefix sections.
How to make it so when I create a list it doesn't change this, I have to go
in and do it by hand right now.

Thanks





From crebuck at attglobal.net  Sat Jul 13 05:29:43 2002
From: crebuck at attglobal.net (Chad Rebuck)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:29:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] drop mail from posters who are not sub'd
References: <3D21D2B2.5050106@moongroup.com>
Message-ID: <001901c22a1d$884b2740$0200000a@chadr>

Anyone have an answer for this?  I would rather not know that people who are
not subscribed to the list have tried to post.  Instead, I would like to
send them an email of how to join.

Chuck, if you can see this message you may want to know your spam filter
isn't too robust.  My email to you has been rejected twice.

Chad

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Mead" 
To: "Mailman Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:20 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] drop mail from posters who are not sub'd


> Does anybody have a patch making it possible to simply drop mail sent
> from posters who are not subscribed? I run a pile of lists (none of them
> accept mail from people who are not subscribed) and I get quite tired of
> having to manually deal with spam posts from people who are not
> subscribed to the lists.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> csm
> "Look, I want to make Microsoft's life miserable; so I'll tell you what,
> I'll pay you $10 million a year to torture Microsoft." --Steve Ballmer
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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>





From koszym at poczta.onet.pl  Sat Jul 13 17:01:18 2002
From: koszym at poczta.onet.pl (Nookie)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:01:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: <200207131701.18903.koszym@poczta.onet.pl>

Hi!

I have problem ... when I try to subscribe from my second address 
(koszym at poczta.onet.pl) subscription request (to my list) I got this error 
...

Jul 13 16:54:08 localhost postfix/smtp[16418]: 6ACC84F6FA: 
to=, relay=poczta.onet.pl[213.180.130.206], delay=1, 
status=bounced (host poczta.onet.pl[213.180.130.206] said: 550 5.7.1 This 
target address is not our MX service client: )

And i ahve question .. its postfix error, poczta.onet.pl server error or 
mailman error? and maybe someone can help me...


-- 
Pozdrawiam,
Nookie




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sat Jul 13 21:49:19 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:49:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything stopped yesterday
Message-ID: <3D30843F.CE83D8F3@whidbey.com>

Greetings:

I was on something of a maintenance tear this week, so when I got
Barry's announcement of 2.0.12 I decided it was time to catch up. I've
been running Mailman since 2.0.1, and had been running 2.0.8 from the
week it was released until this morning. I fetched the four patch files,

all of them patched without error. the reconfig and make install both
ran without any indication of problem.

So what could I have been missing? Not a single message has been sent
out by the server since the upgrade, as far as I can tell. My largest
list, with 450 members, had seven messages due for digesting this noon,
and the digest log indicates that they were properly handled, and the
digest is still in /home/mailman/qfiles.

Every one minute I am now getting the following in
/home/mailman/logs/error:
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",

line 283, in ?
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",

line 253, in main
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",

line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
ParseMailCommands
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      precedence =
msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): AttributeError :  'string' object
has no attribute 'lower'

Interestingly, this started at 08:52 Friday morning, a time that I
guarantee does not coincide with the upgrade, which would have been
closer to noon. My error log is now 1.4 MB in size, I doubt if more than

10KB of that is from before today. The first entry is from Jan 15 2001,
and it only takes a couple of screens to get down to Friday morning.

This server does almost nothing other than Mailman, I think there is one

very quiet website other than the mailman pages.

The OS is RedHat Linux 6.1.

Python is at 1.5.2

Mailserver is Postfix, /usr/src suggest that it's 20001212, since
discovering the problem I upgraded to 1.1.10 with no change. I can send
mail to a test user on the machine without problem. Whe I signed up for
one of my test lists, Mailman was able to send the new-member greeting.

CPU is AMD K6/233 - it's one of the first half-dozen demonstration
systems that AMD sent to reviewers when they first were promoting
the K6. 64MB RAM.

No partition is more than 30% full, so I'm not running out of disk.

I downloaded the complete tarball, deleted the old mailman /usr/src
directories, and started over with the 2.0.12 tarball - again, no
errors, no outgoing list mail.

I have 17 lists running, all happily for a year and a half. Any
suggestions? What other stuff can I look for?

Van

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sat Jul 13 22:34:30 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:34:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything stopped yesterday
Message-ID: <3D308ED6.ACB897A9@whidbey.com>

Andy,

For me it turned out not to be the case at all. After hours of
hair-pulling
I found that the oldest message in
    /home/mailman/qfiles/
was truncated. Deleting that one message opened the floodgates.

I've left the error entry in the original message below. It was the
"'string' object has no attribute 'lower'" that finally caused me to
look at
the earliest affected message.

Van

Andy Firman wrote:

> Same thing happened to me.
> Roll back to 2.0.11 and it will work fine.
> Must be a bug in 2.0.12
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew Firman
>
> 907-357-3699 (office)
> 907-841-6498 (mobile)
> 509-695-7043 (fax)
> www.firmanconsulting.com
>
> -----Excerpt from Original Message-----
>
> Every one minute I am now getting the following in
> /home/mailman/logs/error:
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): Traceback (innermost last):
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
>
> line 283, in ?
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      kids = main(lock)
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
>
> line 253, in main
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      keepqueued =
> dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
>
> line 157, in dispose_message
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
> ParseMailCommands
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      precedence =
> msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): AttributeError :  'string' object
> has no attribute 'lower'
>

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From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sat Jul 13 23:03:14 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything stopped yesterday
In-Reply-To: <3D308ED6.ACB897A9@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: 

Very Interesting.... Did you stop your inbound MTA before you did the
upgrade to 2.0.12?

-Jim P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: G. Armour Van Horn
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:35 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Everything stopped yesterday
>
>
> Andy,
>
> For me it turned out not to be the case at all. After hours of
> hair-pulling
> I found that the oldest message in
>     /home/mailman/qfiles/
> was truncated. Deleting that one message opened the floodgates.
>
> I've left the error entry in the original message below. It was the
> "'string' object has no attribute 'lower'" that finally caused me to
> look at
> the earliest affected message.
>
> Van
>









From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sat Jul 13 23:26:54 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 14:26:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything stopped yesterday
References: 
Message-ID: <3D309B1E.F61A3C36@whidbey.com>

No, that didn't occur to me. I don't think it's a likely factor, as the
damaged message that actually caused the shutdown was several hours
earlier than the upgrade. The problem started filling up the error log at
08:52, and though the clock on the system was a few minutes off, I didn't
roll out of bed until nearly 11:00 am and probably didn't actually run the
upgrade until shortly after noon.

I am, at this point, absolutely certain that the upgrade was not a factor
in the shutdown of list messagse.

Van

Jim Popovitch wrote:

> Very Interesting.... Did you stop your inbound MTA before you did the
> upgrade to 2.0.12?
>
> -Jim P.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: G. Armour Van Horn
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:35 PM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Everything stopped yesterday
> >
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > For me it turned out not to be the case at all. After hours of
> > hair-pulling
> > I found that the oldest message in
> >     /home/mailman/qfiles/
> > was truncated. Deleting that one message opened the floodgates.
> >
> > I've left the error entry in the original message below. It was the
> > "'string' object has no attribute 'lower'" that finally caused me to
> > look at
> > the earliest affected message.
> >
> > Van
> >
>
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From pjh at mccc.edu  Sun Jul 14 03:23:21 2002
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:23:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to configure Mailman to discard/reject email
sent by non-members?

Thanks.





From bills at right-net.com  Sun Jul 14 03:28:16 2002
From: bills at right-net.com (Bill Selmeier)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:28:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Certainly there is. I don't know which version you are using but in 2.0.11
the 6 question on the Privacy configuration page is:

Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
(Details)


Bill

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Pete Holsberg wrote:

> Is there a way to configure Mailman to discard/reject email
> sent by non-members?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>





From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sun Jul 14 03:36:08 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Selmeier
>
> Certainly there is. I don't know which version you are using but in 2.0.11
> the 6 question on the Privacy configuration page is:
>
> Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
> (Details)
>

In all fairness, all that does is send the list admin an email.  There
really should be a "Restrict posting privilege to list members and never
notify anyone?" option. my $.02


-Jim P.
















From alex at phred.org  Sun Jul 14 03:35:46 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20020713183425.C83713-100000@phred.org>

That just puts the message into the admin queue.  There isn't any way
in the 2.0.x code to make it reject the message and not put it into
the queue.

alex

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Bill Selmeier wrote:
> Certainly there is. I don't know which version you are using but in 2.0.11
> the 6 question on the Privacy configuration page is:
>
> Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
> (Details)
>
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> > Is there a way to configure Mailman to discard/reject email
> > sent by non-members?





From pjh at mccc.edu  Sun Jul 14 03:42:17 2002
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:42:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Bill Selmeier wrote:

> Certainly there is. I don't know which version you are
> using but in 2.0.11 the 6 question on the Privacy
> configuration page is:
> 
> Restrict posting privilege to list members?
> (member_posting_only) (Details)

v1.1

Thanks.





From jonc at haht.com  Sun Jul 14 03:46:33 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:46:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200207140146.g6E1kYH30910@salsa.haht.com>

You will find this option in the 2.1 beta.  There are also some 
work-arounds (if you have root access to the server) that let you dump 
unauthorized email - without any notifications.

If interested, you can find at least one in the FAQ

Jon Carnes

On Saturday 13 July 2002 09:36 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Selmeier
> >
> > Certainly there is. I don't know which version you are using but in
>
> 2.0.11
>
> > the 6 question on the Privacy configuration page is:
> >
> > Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
> > (Details)
>
> In all fairness, all that does is send the list admin an email.  There
> really should be a "Restrict posting privilege to list members and never
> notify anyone?" option. my $.02
>
>
> -Jim P.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py




From pjh at mccc.edu  Sun Jul 14 03:44:02 2002
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 21:44:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Rejection?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Jim Popovitch wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Selmeier
> >
> > Certainly there is. I don't know which version you are
> > using but in 2.0.11 the 6 question on the Privacy
> > configuration page is:
> >
> > Restrict posting privilege to list members?
> > (member_posting_only) (Details)
> >
> 
> In all fairness, all that does is send the list admin an
> email.  There really should be a "Restrict posting
> privilege to list members and never notify anyone?"
> option. my $.02

That;s exactly what I was looking for. member_posting_only
doesn't reject/discard the errant post; the list admin
does!

So I take it that Mailman does not have this?





From heather at pcgal.com  Sun Jul 14 10:55:06 2002
From: heather at pcgal.com (Heather J. Lubinsky)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:55:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating reports
Message-ID: <0b8a01c22b14$27267fd0$84d667d8@lubinsky.com>

I was wondering if anyone has had any luck creating reports - either
web-based or through the command line..

Here is what I am looking for -- I noticed that in the roster you can see
how many digest and non digests you have -- is there a way to create a
script or something that can add the numbers together or go through the
lists.

We have about 60 lists and 10,000 people -- Every month I need to report how
many on each list.

Anyway thanks.

Heather





From david at midrange.com  Sun Jul 14 15:13:50 2002
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:13:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Creating reports
References: <0b8a01c22b14$27267fd0$84d667d8@lubinsky.com>
Message-ID: 

"Heather J. Lubinsky"  wrote in message
news:0b8a01c22b14$27267fd0$84d667d8 at lubinsky.com...
> We have about 60 lists and 10,000 people -- Every month I need to report
how
> many on each list.

I've got a couple of scripts I hacked together to do just that... it isn't
the most elegent solution, but it works.

It requires a modification to the list_lists script and a new list-summary
shell script...

Here's a patch for the list_lists script...

------------------->>>>>>>---------------------------

--- list_lists_old      Wed Aug 29 22:29:11 2001
+++ list_lists  Fri Jul 12 06:11:35 2002
@@ -26,6 +26,10 @@
     -a
         List only those mailing lists that are publically advertised

+    --bare
+    -b
+        Displays only the list name, no description
+
     --virtual-host-overview=domain
     -V domain
         List only those mailing lists that are homed to the given virtual
@@ -60,13 +64,14 @@


 def main():
     try:
-        opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], 'aV:h',
+        opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], 'abV:h',
                                    ['advertised', 'virtual-host-overview=',
-                                    'help'])
+                                    'bare', 'help'])
     except getopt.error, msg:
         usage(1, msg)

     advertised = 0
+    bare = 0
     vhost = None

     for opt, arg in opts:
@@ -74,6 +79,8 @@
             usage(0)
         elif opt in ('-a', '--advertised'):
             advertised = 1
+        elif opt in ('-b', '--bare'):
+            bare = 1
         elif opt in ('-V', '--virtual-host-overview'):
             vhost = arg

@@ -93,15 +100,21 @@
         mlists.append(mlist)
         longest = max(len(mlist.real_name), longest)

-    if not mlists:
+    if not mlists and not bare:
         print 'No matching mailing lists found'
         return

-    print len(mlists), 'matching mailing lists found:'
+    if not bare:
+       print len(mlists), 'matching mailing lists found:'
+
     format = '%%%ds - %%.%ds' % (longest, 77 - longest)
+
     for mlist in mlists:
         description = mlist.description or '[no description available]'
-        print '   ', format % (mlist.real_name, description)
+        if bare:
+            print mlist.real_name
+        else:
+            print '   ', format % (mlist.real_name, description)


 if __name__ == '__main__':

------------------->>>>>>>---------------------------

And here's the main script to build a summary html page ...

------------------->>>>>>>---------------------------
#! /bin/sh

MAILMAN="/usr/local/home/mailman/bin"
BASEURL="http://lists.midrange.com/cgi-bin"
TITLE="MIDRANGE dot COM Public Mailing List Statistics"

TMPNAME=`basename $0`

TMPFILE=`mktemp /tmp/$TMPNAME.XXXXXX` || exit 1

for LIST in `$MAILMAN/list_lists --advertised --bare`
do
        $MAILMAN/list_members $LIST >> $TMPFILE
done

COUNT=`sort --ignore-case $TMPFILE|uniq --ignore-case|wc --lines`

cat <


$TITLE




$TITLE


  
EOF1

TOTAL_BOTH=0
TOTAL_REGULAR=0
TOTAL_DIGEST=0

for LIST in `$MAILMAN/list_lists --advertised --bare`
do
        BOTH=`$MAILMAN/list_members $LIST|wc -l`
        REGULAR=`$MAILMAN/list_members --regular $LIST|wc -l`
        DIGEST=`$MAILMAN/list_members --digest $LIST|wc -l`
        let TOTAL_BOTH=$(($TOTAL_BOTH+$BOTH))
        let TOTAL_REGULAR=$(($TOTAL_REGULAR+$REGULAR))
        let TOTAL_DIGEST=$(($TOTAL_DIGEST+$DIGEST))
        cat <
      
EOF2

done

cat <
      
    
      
      Membership
    
    
      List Name
      Total
      Regular
      Digest
    
$LIST
      $BOTH
      $REGULAR
      $DIGEST
    
Grand Total
      $TOTAL_BOTH
      $TOTAL_REGULAR
      $TOTAL_DIGEST
    

  


Total unique mailing list subscribers (all lists): $COUNT

EOF3

TODAY=`date`

cat <Last updated $TODAY



EOF4

------------------->>>>>>>---------------------------









From venky_madurai at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 14 16:37:16 2002
From: venky_madurai at hotmail.com (Venkatesh Madurai Subramanian)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:37:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: email addreses for the virtusertable
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From venky_madurai at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 14 16:39:02 2002
From: venky_madurai at hotmail.com (Venkatesh Madurai Subramanian)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:39:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question: email addreses for the virtusertable
Message-ID: 

Dear All,

I am quite new to Mailman and was wondering where could i find the list of 
email addresses that Mailman users.

I am trying to set it up for virtual host domains on my server.

For example, i need to find out the list of email addresses like 
<>-request at mydomain.com, etc., that Mailman needs so that i can 
add these to the virtusertable entries.

Thanks in advance and best regards

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From ASkwar at digitalprojects.com  Sun Jul 14 21:52:39 2002
From: ASkwar at digitalprojects.com (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:52:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto ./configure with VMailMgr (qmail)?
Message-ID: <20020714195239.GR8012@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hi!

I'd like to setup Mailman on SuSE 7.2 server running qmail and VMailMgr.

How do I have to call ./configure so that Mailman works?  Basically I'm
unsure about what to use as the --with-mail-gid parameter.

Thanks for any hints,

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From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Sun Jul 14 23:31:04 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:31:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH isn't very
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020714141856.00a2c930@rlw.best.vwh.net>

Defaults.py says:

	# When true, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the same address as
	# user at domain.  If set to 0, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the
	# same address as user at Host.DoMain, but different than user at domain.  Usernames
	# will always be case preserved, and host parts of addresses will all be
	# lowercased.
	SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1

but this really doesn't work.

I have a user subscribed as name at eng.sun.com who just posted to a members-only list as name at sun.com. (Because of Sun's email setup, this is out of the user's control.) The posting failed to go through even though SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH was set to 1.

Has anyone else hit this problem and found a fix? It seems like it must be a logic error in Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(), but it's not obvious to me where the problem is.

Thanks,
- Bob





From eshipman at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul 11 22:11:34 2002
From: eshipman at austin.rr.com (Eddie Shipman)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:11:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives and spammers
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to shield the email addresses of posters in the
archives to prent spammers from harvesting them?





From pmk at scp.de  Fri Jul 12 11:19:11 2002
From: pmk at scp.de (Michael Keukert)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:19:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Double Opt-In?
Message-ID: <3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK@mail.scp.de>

Hi,

I'm using Smartlist at the moment, but I need a mailing list manager
which provides double opt-in features.

Does Mailman has it?

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From bill at horne.net  Thu Jul 11 21:05:52 2002
From: bill at horne.net (Bill Horne)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:05:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
Message-ID: <000e01c2290d$fa99eae0$0200a8c0@billhorne.homelinux.org>

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/Un-Subscribe via e-mail, not web
From: Detlef Neubauer 

>Gerry Doyon  writes:

>> Detlef Neubauer  wrote:
>>
>> | > | href="mailto:listname-request at domain.tld?subject=subscribe;body=sub
>> | scribe">
>>
>> The "subscribe" e-mail works great! But, passing "unsubcribe" or
>> "un-subscribe" is not recognized.

>For unsubscribe a password will needed.

>> Do you have an idea as to how I can accomplish this?

>Replace the string "replace
this with your password" with your password

>Not tested.


ITYM 'Click HERE to unsubscribe via email:
be sure to enter your password at the obvious place in the Subject line
before sending.'

HTH.

Bill





From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sat Jul 13 08:47:08 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:47:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything stopped after upgrade
Message-ID: <3D2FCCEC.498AF9A0@whidbey.com>

Greetings:

I was on something of a maintenance tear this week, so when I got
Barry's announcement of 2.0.12 I decided it was time to catch up. I've
been running Mailman since 2.0.1, and had been running 2.0.8 from the
week it was released until this morning. I fetched the four patch files,
all of them patched without error. the reconfig and make install both
ran without any indication of problem.

So what could I have been missing? Not a single message has been sent
out by the server since the upgrade, as far as I can tell. My largest
list, with 450 members, had seven messages due for digesting this noon,
and the digest log indicates that they were properly handled. I don't
think it was shipped.

Every one minute I am now getting the following in
/home/mailman/logs/error:
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 283, in ?
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 253, in main
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
ParseMailCommands
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      precedence =
msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): AttributeError :  'string' object
has no attribute 'lower'

Interestingly, this started at 08:52 in the morning, a time that I
guarantee does not coincide with the upgrade, which would have been
closer to noon. My error log is now 750KB in size, I doubt if more than
10KB of that is from before today. The first entry is from Jan 15 2001,
and it only takes a couple of screens to get down to this morning.

I have 17 lists running, all happily for a year and a half. Any
suggestions?

Van

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Sat Jul 13 08:55:12 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:55:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional information
Message-ID: <3D2FCED0.FC9B4502@whidbey.com>

I left out a little information in the last message that might be useful
with that last message:

This server does almost nothing other than Mailman, I think there is one
very quiet website other than the mailman pages.

The OS is RedHat Linux, probably 6.1.

Python is at 1.5.2

Mailserver is Postfix, /usr/src suggest that it's 20001212.

CPU is AMD K6/233 - it's one of the first half-dozen demonstration
systems that AMD sent to reviewers when they released the K6. 64MB RAM.

No partition is more than 30% full, so I'm not running out of disk.

Van


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From pwhite at mailhaven.com  Sun Jul 14 09:21:30 2002
From: pwhite at mailhaven.com (Philip White)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 02:21:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crontab problem?
Message-ID: <3D31267A.5060801@mailhaven.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hello, all.

	I installed Mailman 2.0.12 onto a Linux machine (RedHat 7.3, custom
2.4.18 kernel).  I followed all the instructions (at least as far as I
know).  I set up a list and can successfully access its administrative
options, list info, etc.  I set my membership list to be manually approved.
	However, when anyone tries to subscribe, here's what happens: the
server sends them a confirmation e-mail and they correctly reply to it.
~ The server does not send them anything else, nor does it send me (the
mailing list owner) anything.  There is nothing in my administration
queue and the membership management list is empty.  The only change that
I can see is a new entry is made in /logs/subscribe.  /logs/error is empty.
	Here's my uneducated prognosis: the cron jobs that are supposed to run
don't run, even though I followed the procedure for adding the
appropriate script to crontab.  The only reason I think that this is the
case is because I cannot think of any other reason why /logs/subscribe
is populated but nothing triggers a mailing to the admin.
	What do you think?  Thanks in advance for any help.

					-- Philip.
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From admin at uspacket.net  Sun Jul 14 15:46:46 2002
From: admin at uspacket.net (admin at uspacket.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:46:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator web page
Message-ID: <000b01c22b3c$e942daa0$87cefea9@swbell.net>

After installing a list, and pressing the EDIT button on the control panel,
the admin web page does not appear. Error 404

Posts sent to the list are answered by a message stating that they are being
held for moderation by the list administrator, so the list basically appears
to work - but I have no way of admin'ing or moderating the list without the
web page.

If there is no way to get the admin web page to fly, are there manual
commands that can be used to set up and administer the list?

Any help would be appreciated.

charlesb






From westin at fas.harvard.edu  Sun Jul 14 16:56:53 2002
From: westin at fas.harvard.edu (Greg Westin)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:56:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lists show in admin but not listinfo
Message-ID: 

For some reason, my publicly-advertised lists are showing up on the 
admin page, but not on the listinfo page.  Does anyone know why this 
could be?

Thanks,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com





From david at midrange.com  Mon Jul 15 03:01:57 2002
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:01:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Double Opt-In?
References: <3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK@mail.scp.de>
Message-ID: 

"Michael Keukert"  wrote in message
news:3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK at mail.scp.de...
> I'm using Smartlist at the moment, but I need a mailing list manager
> which provides double opt-in features.

What is "Double opt-in"?

david









From david at midrange.com  Mon Jul 15 03:03:13 2002
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:03:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Everything stopped after upgrade
References: <3D2FCCEC.498AF9A0@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: 

"G. Armour Van Horn"  wrote in message
news:3D2FCCEC.498AF9A0 at whidbey.com...
> Interestingly, this started at 08:52 in the morning, a time that I
> guarantee does not coincide with the upgrade, which would have been
> closer to noon. My error log is now 750KB in size, I doubt if more than
> 10KB of that is from before today. The first entry is from Jan 15 2001,
> and it only takes a couple of screens to get down to this morning.

I ran into the same problem ... I had to reverse out the patch and wait for
a resolution.

david









From david at midrange.com  Mon Jul 15 04:54:33 2002
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Double Opt-In?
References: <3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK@mail.scp.de>
Message-ID: 

"Michael Keukert"  wrote in message
news:3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK at mail.scp.de...
> I'm using Smartlist at the moment, but I need a mailing list manager
> which provides double opt-in features.
> Does Mailman has it?

Based on the definition of double opt-in that someone pointed me to, I would
say the answer is yes.

david









From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Mon Jul 15 05:23:47 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:23:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Double Opt-In?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK@mail.scp.de> 
Message-ID: <20020715032347.GD17496@hq.newdream.net>

David Gibbs wrote:
> "Michael Keukert"  wrote in message
> news:3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK at mail.scp.de...

> > I'm using Smartlist at the moment, but I need a mailing list manager
> > which provides double opt-in features.
> > Does Mailman has it?
> 
> Based on the definition of double opt-in that someone pointed me to, I would
> say the answer is yes.

Note that "double opt-in" is a loaded term, used mostly by spammers.
ALL opt-in that's actually "opt-in" is confirmed.... 'confirmed opt-in'
is also a good term.

I can't connect to it right now, but there is a more detailed
explanation of the term (and the anti-spam community's objections to it)
at:
http://www.spamfaq.net/

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From mike at openconcept.ca  Mon Jul 15 06:00:12 2002
From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford)
Date: 15 Jul 2002 00:00:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Exim 4.05
Message-ID: <1026705615.6063.434.camel@office.openconcept.ca>

Hello,

I'm trying to set up mailman-2.0.12 on a RH 7.2 system using exim 4.05.

The main problem that I am having is that I believe your instructions
for setting up mailman & exim are 3.x specific.

If this isn't the case, please let me know, but I could not find a
Directors config file section in 4.05, but could find one prominently in
3.33.

I have tried to just 'stuff' the config info that didn't fit neatly into
the file into the exim config file, but that definitely didn't work.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Mike
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From graciousisme at yahoo.com.tw  Mon Jul 15 09:51:30 2002
From: graciousisme at yahoo.com.tw (Sonya Huang)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:51:30 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe movietalk
References: <20020714160005.4387.71220.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c22bd4$6f3ac9a0$6500000a@taitheo.org.tw>

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:00 AM
Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2111 - 1 msg


> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
> mailman-users at python.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> mailman-users-request at python.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jul 15 10:01:39 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 15 Jul 2002 10:01:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto ./configure with VMailMgr (qmail)?
In-Reply-To: Alexander Skwar's message of "Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:52:39 +0200"
References: <20020714195239.GR8012@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>
Message-ID: 

Alexander Skwar  writes:

> I'd like to setup Mailman on SuSE 7.2 server running qmail and VMailMgr.
> 
> How do I have to call ./configure so that Mailman works?  Basically I'm
> unsure about what to use as the --with-mail-gid parameter.

README.QMAIL


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From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Jul 15 14:25:19 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:25:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail addresses in archives
Message-ID: 

I believe I posted a message about this before, but didn't get an 
answer.  In my archives, no matter who the poster is, it only lists the 
e-mail address for the list, not for that individual.  I assume that's 
because the reply-to address is set to the list.  But is there any way 
to change this so that the individual's name appears, without changing 
the list to reply to the individual?

Thanks for any help,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com





From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Jul 15 14:32:20 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:32:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] only mbox appearing
Message-ID: 

Are messages only saved in the archives when posted by list members?  Is 
there a way to change this?  I accidentally posted to a list from an 
e-mail address that's not the one I subscribed from, and I don't see the 
message in the archives.

Thanks,

Greg





From kenrbnsn1 at rcn.com  Mon Jul 15 14:43:39 2002
From: kenrbnsn1 at rcn.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:43:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Format
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715084015.03659e80@mail.rbnsn.com>

I been running some MailMan lists for awhile and one of my subscribers told 
me that the archives are plain text, even those labeled as being in ".gz" 
format.

I noticed that this is true with the archives of this list.

Is this a known bug or a feature?

Thanks
Ken Robinson





From brian at emwd.com  Mon Jul 15 14:48:37 2002
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looping posts
Message-ID: 

Dear List:

I have a several mailing lists who has periodic problems with a message
looping. A message is sent to a particular list and for some reason Mailman
keeps sending the message over and over and over again. I have seen this
problem posted on the archives but I am unable to find the answers in how to
fix it. Could someone please point me in the right direction or offer a
solution that corrects this problem?

Thanks.

Kind Regards,
Brian Carpenter





From dbasener at aurora.edu  Mon Jul 15 16:27:26 2002
From: dbasener at aurora.edu (Dave Basener)
Date: 15 Jul 2002 09:27:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Double Opt-In?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK@mail.scp.de>  
Message-ID: <1026743343.8705.16.camel@virtNotos>

Double opt-in refers to what should be the only way you can sign up for
a mail server list.  That is, the user, as part of the sign-up, enters
her email address.  A confirmation email is sent to that address and the
user is not actually added to the list until the action specified in the
email (usually just a reply, but it can be a URL also) is taken.

This eliminates the possibility of false sign-ups - pranks.

Dave Basener 

On Sun, 2002-07-14 at 20:01, David Gibbs wrote:
> 
> What is "Double opt-in"?
> 
> david
> 

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From cprg at cprg.net  Mon Jul 15 14:46:13 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:46:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Double Opt-In?
References: <3D2E9F0F33A.BA33PMK@mail.scp.de>  <20020715032347.GD17496@hq.newdream.net>
Message-ID: <001101c22bfd$9bd764e0$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>


Well, Will, here's said article you were so "unable" to 
"connect to" http://www.spamfaq.net/spam-evils.shtml#opt_in 
which, for anyone with lots of time on their hands, who have
nothing better to do than read lengthy diatribes by radical
anti-spammers, it's one in a long list of timewasters, but,
for a concise, to the point, understandable, definition which,
probably fits the scenario Michael was asking about see:
http://www.ibizbasics.com/online030601.htm 

Anyone going to a list sign-up form, and submitting:
william at hq.newdream.net would yield **you** being
"opted-in" (subscribed) whether **you** wanted to or
not, or whether it was actually **you** who submitted
form. But, with "double opt-in" you would **only** be subscribed
**IF** you replied to a confirmation, hence, the term
"double opt-in" or as you prefer "confirmed opt-in". 

However, if a robot snakes it's way through the web, 
and harvests your email address and then adds it to a 
list or lists, without asking, then, you have neither "opted-in" 
nor "confirmed" since you were gratiously, and possibly,
maliciously added by the robot with no verification process. 

Therefore, your optin, er, I mean opinion; that ALL opt-in
that is "actually" opt-in is "confirmed," is not logical. 

SD 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Yardley" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Double Opt-In?


| David Gibbs wrote:
| > "Michael Keukert"  wrote in message
| 
| > > I'm using Smartlist at the moment, but I need a mailing list manager
| > > which provides double opt-in features.
| > > Does Mailman has it?
| > 
| > Based on the definition of double opt-in that someone pointed me to, I would
| > say the answer is yes.
| 
| Note that "double opt-in" is a loaded term, used mostly by spammers.
| ALL opt-in that's actually "opt-in" is confirmed.... 'confirmed opt-in'
| is also a good term.
| 
| I can't connect to it right now, but there is a more detailed
| explanation of the term (and the anti-spam community's objections to it)
| at:
| http://www.spamfaq.net/
| 
| -- 
| Will Yardley
| input: william at hq.newdream.net 

From eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu  Mon Jul 15 16:55:40 2002
From: eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu (eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:55:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list of lists
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I have a mailman list that contains the address of three other mailmain
lists.  My hope is for this to allow me to reach all people by the main
list, or certain groups of people by one of the sub-lists.  Here is an
example:


              |--members-faculty
              |
members-all---|--members-staff
              |
	      |--members-students

This would allow me to send mail to everyone, just faculty, just staff, or
just students.  However, there are two problems with this approach.

1) I can send to each of these lists individually, but when I send to the
members-all list, each sub-list holds the message for approval.  I have
added my email address to the list of "Addresses of members accepted for
posting", and member_posting_only is set to "yes".  My understanding is
that even though I do not belong to either of these lists, I will be
allowed to send to all of them.  And this is indeed the case, as long as I
am not sending via members-all.  My guess is that mailman is the re-sender
in such a case, and is not allowed to post without permission.  Is this
the case?  And if so, how do I change it?

2) Once I approve the messages to be sent to the sub-lists, the subject
line lists both list names like this:

	[members-all][members-x] my subject

where x is either faculty, staff, or student.  I would like each sub-list
to show its name ONLY if it is mailed to directly, but not if it is mailed
to from the main list.  I don't think this is possible, but if it is,
please let me know.

Thanks in advance,

Eric Luhrs





From laurence at digitalpulp.com  Mon Jul 15 17:14:30 2002
From: laurence at digitalpulp.com (Laurence Berland)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying mailman to filter archived messages
Message-ID: <200207151114.30917.laurence@digitalpulp.com>

All,
	I'm trying to modify mailman to simplify some tasks.  Currently, sysadmins
get various emails from LogWatch every day or so that need to be read through
in depth and then saved to some mailbox somewhere.  This both takes a lot of
time and creates lots of private copies of these messages, which is bad.
	The simple part of this is to instead have the emails go to a mailman list
that these people may or may not choose to subscribe to, so that mailman will
archive the messages and let people choose whether or not to receive them
without the intervention of others.  The tough part is status coding.  I've
already modified LogWatch (and will modify other email-sending scripts such
as our backup scripts) to code certain lines based on whether or not they
require attention.  Example 0: means "fine" or "green" and 2: means "trouble"
or "red".  What I'd like mailman to do is trap these strings such as "0:"
"1:" etc and replace them with something else.  Is there a particularl easy
way to do this?  If not, where in the code could I conceivably do this.  I've
been briefly skimming the code, and intend to read through quite a bit of it
to figure all this out, but if anyone could at least point me in the right
direction it'd make me very happy.

Thanks for your help,
Laurence Berland

-------------------------------------------------------




From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Mon Jul 15 17:17:39 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:17:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list of lists
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020715080844.00a34b90@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 07:55 AM 7/15/02, eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu wrote:
>I have a mailman list that contains the address of three other mailmain
>lists.  My hope is for this to allow me to reach all people by the main
>list, or certain groups of people by one of the sub-lists.  Here is an
>example:
>
>              |--members-faculty
>              |
>members-all---|--members-staff
>              |
>              |--members-students
>
>This would allow me to send mail to everyone, just faculty, just staff, or
>just students.  However, there are two problems with this approach.

Mailman 2.0.x is not particularly good at umbrella lists (especially if there's overlap among the sub-lists).

>1) I can send to each of these lists individually, but when I send to the
>members-all list, each sub-list holds the message for approval.  I have
>added my email address to the list of "Addresses of members accepted for
>posting", and member_posting_only is set to "yes".  My understanding is
>that even though I do not belong to either of these lists, I will be
>allowed to send to all of them.  And this is indeed the case, as long as I
>am not sending via members-all.  My guess is that mailman is the re-sender
>in such a case, and is not allowed to post without permission.  Is this
>the case?  And if so, how do I change it?

Have you got require_explicit_destination set on the Privacy Options page? If so, you need to add members-all at your\.domain to the acceptable_addresses field for each sub-list.

>2) Once I approve the messages to be sent to the sub-lists, the subject
>line lists both list names like this:
>
>        [members-all][members-x] my subject
>
>where x is either faculty, staff, or student.  I would like each sub-list
>to show its name ONLY if it is mailed to directly, but not if it is mailed
>to from the main list.  I don't think this is possible, but if it is,
>please let me know.

Not possible without serious code-hacking. What I suggest is eliminating the tag from the "all" list. Then subscribers will see only the tag for the list they are on. In a similar vein, you probably want to remove any footer information pointing to the "all" list, since subscribers can't maintain their own data on that list anyway.

In fact, there may be no need to have members-all be a full-fledged list. Perhaps it can be a simple alias pointing to the sub-lists.

- Bob





From delilah at seyyav.pair.com  Mon Jul 15 17:21:03 2002
From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] increment digest volume number
Message-ID: 

Can and how do you increment the digest volume number for mailman 2.0.x?

Sean





From alexisbellido at terra.com.pe  Mon Jul 15 17:39:40 2002
From: alexisbellido at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:39:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many installations on one server
In-Reply-To: <200207151114.30917.laurence@digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c22c15$d5b01fa0$7610840a@p3mono>

Hi, i know the subject of virtual hosts on Mailman 2.0.x has been
discussed a lot, i've read lots of posts on the archives.

I have arrived to the conclusion that i will need multiple installations
on my server (Red Hat 7.2 using qmail).

I have many domains hosted (i run a hosting company) and would like to
have list at domain1.com and list at domain2.com for example.

My websites are name based so they share my same ip.

I installed mailman on both: /usr/local/mailman/domain1.com and
/usr/local/mailman/domain2.com , i can access the web interfaces, the
confirmation messages are sent to users but when users reply to confirm
their subscription or they send to list-request at domain.com they don't
get any reply.

Apparently qmail is not processing the incoming mail for mailman.

I am not a newbie at Linux but neither an expert so maybe i am missing
something simple.

I have checked my maillog file but don't understand much of what it
says, will a copy of last entries help you?, if i do a "less" of the
flle is just too big, how could i extract only lines i want?.

If you have any ideas please let me know.

Regards!

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
alexis at ventanazul.com

Realice sus consultas via chat en www.ventanazul.com

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From eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu  Mon Jul 15 17:38:23 2002
From: eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu (eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:38:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list of lists
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020715080844.00a34b90@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: 

Thanks Bob!  Your suggestions fixed both of my problems.

Eric


Bob Weissman sent this on Jul 15:

>At 07:55 AM 7/15/02, eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu wrote:
>>I have a mailman list that contains the address of three other mailmain
>>lists.  My hope is for this to allow me to reach all people by the main
>>list, or certain groups of people by one of the sub-lists.  Here is an
>>example:
>>
>>              |--members-faculty
>>              |
>>members-all---|--members-staff
>>              |
>>              |--members-students
>>
>>This would allow me to send mail to everyone, just faculty, just staff, or
>>just students.  However, there are two problems with this approach.
>
>Mailman 2.0.x is not particularly good at umbrella lists (especially if there's overlap among the sub-lists).
>
>>1) I can send to each of these lists individually, but when I send to the
>>members-all list, each sub-list holds the message for approval.  I have
>>added my email address to the list of "Addresses of members accepted for
>>posting", and member_posting_only is set to "yes".  My understanding is
>>that even though I do not belong to either of these lists, I will be
>>allowed to send to all of them.  And this is indeed the case, as long as I
>>am not sending via members-all.  My guess is that mailman is the re-sender
>>in such a case, and is not allowed to post without permission.  Is this
>>the case?  And if so, how do I change it?
>
>Have you got require_explicit_destination set on the Privacy Options page? If so, you need to add members-all at your\.domain to the acceptable_addresses field for each sub-list.
>
>>2) Once I approve the messages to be sent to the sub-lists, the subject
>>line lists both list names like this:
>>
>>        [members-all][members-x] my subject
>>
>>where x is either faculty, staff, or student.  I would like each sub-list
>>to show its name ONLY if it is mailed to directly, but not if it is mailed
>>to from the main list.  I don't think this is possible, but if it is,
>>please let me know.
>
>Not possible without serious code-hacking. What I suggest is eliminating the tag from the "all" list. Then subscribers will see only the tag for the list they are on. In a similar vein, you probably want to remove any footer information pointing to the "all" list, since subscribers can't maintain their own data on that list anyway.
>
>In fact, there may be no need to have members-all be a full-fledged list. Perhaps it can be a simple alias pointing to the sub-lists.
>
>- Bob
>





From grant at pepperguy.com  Mon Jul 15 17:42:47 2002
From: grant at pepperguy.com (Grant Cummings)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:42:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman list of lists
References: 
Message-ID: <011901c22c16$44e73160$0b00000a@savvy>

This subject line got me to thinking...do the Mailman "People" maintain any
kind of a list of all the lists running their software?  Might be a neat
idea.  I just wonder how large a userbase Mailman has and I think it would
be cool to browse around seeing what other lists are out there.

Grant





From russell at snp.org  Mon Jul 15 17:37:22 2002
From: russell at snp.org (Russell Horn)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:37:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing email address
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Is there a way for users who have a new email address to remove their old
address adn add their new one on a single web page?

Russell





From cj at nologic.org  Mon Jul 15 17:47:26 2002
From: cj at nologic.org (Ciaran Johnston)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:47:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many installations on one server
In-Reply-To: <003e01c22c15$d5b01fa0$7610840a@p3mono>
References: <003e01c22c15$d5b01fa0$7610840a@p3mono>
Message-ID: <9828.194.237.142.30.1026748046.squirrel@mail.nologic.org>

Hi Alexis,
I don't know if I can be of any help, but I have just successfully set up
Mailman on top of a qmail installation running name-based virtual servers
using vpopmail. I used the qmail-to-mailman.py script in the contrib
directory of the source distribution of Mailman.

In order to get qmail to pipe mail through to your mailman app, you should
put the following into the .qmail-default file in your domain's home
directory (if using vmailmgr - I think that's what it does) or in
/home/vpopmail/domaiins/mydomain1.com

|/preline /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/domain1.com/qmail-to-mailman.py

Also the qmail-to-mailman.py script expects "mailman-" to be the prefix to
the mail, so you need to hack the script to change this to "domain1.com-" if
using vpopmail.

Try 'tail -f'ing your maillog files as you send messages, this will show you
more of what's happening.

Hope this is of some use to you.

Regards,
Ciaran.

Alexis Bellido said:
> Hi, i know the subject of virtual hosts on Mailman 2.0.x has been
> discussed a lot, i've read lots of posts on the archives.
>
> I have arrived to the conclusion that i will need multiple
> installations on my server (Red Hat 7.2 using qmail).
>
> I have many domains hosted (i run a hosting company) and would like to
> have list at domain1.com and list at domain2.com for example.
>
> My websites are name based so they share my same ip.
>
> I installed mailman on both: /usr/local/mailman/domain1.com and
> /usr/local/mailman/domain2.com , i can access the web interfaces, the
> confirmation messages are sent to users but when users reply to confirm
> their subscription or they send to list-request at domain.com they don't
> get any reply.
>
> Apparently qmail is not processing the incoming mail for mailman.
>
> I am not a newbie at Linux but neither an expert so maybe i am missing
> something simple.
>
> I have checked my maillog file but don't understand much of what it
> says, will a copy of last entries help you?, if i do a "less" of the
> flle is just too big, how could i extract only lines i want?.
>
> If you have any ideas please let me know.
>
> Regards!
>
> Alexis Bellido M.
> www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
> alexis at ventanazul.com
>
> Realice sus consultas via chat en www.ventanazul.com
>
> ICQ: 95509061 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com | Yahoo ID:
> alexisbellido
> Ofi: 4368700 - Cel: 9321389
>
>
>
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From fergal.moran at wasptech.com  Mon Jul 15 17:45:36 2002
From: fergal.moran at wasptech.com (Fergal Moran)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:45:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finger problem with new install
Message-ID: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9913@enterprise.wasptech.com>

I have just installed mailman v2.0.6 here on a SuSE 7.3 box.

Installation appeared to be fine and I can set up a new list and
administer it through the web interface.  However if I try to send mail
to any of the list addresses - I receive a bounce - and the root mailbox
on the mailman machine receives the following message

Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:08:03 +0100
From: root .com>
To: root@.com
Subject: sendmail-ns1..net unknown
   
finger: Connection refused
    
Our firewall does not allow finger requests through - does it need to
for mailman to work?

If I try to subscribe to the list from the webpage - I never receive the
confirmation message and root receives a mail with the subject

Subject: sendmail-localhost unknown

and the body looks very much like the output of finger.

I installed the package using YaST2 - after a source installation of
2.0.12 produced the same results.  I followed all the instructions
carefully.  The one area I had difficulty with was the INSTALL.Sendmail
instructions.  There was no /etc/smrsh folder on the box - so I created
one and symlinked the wrapper in there.  There is an smrsh binary on my
box at /usr/lib/sendmail.d/bin/smrsh.

Sendmail is working fine I believe.  I can send mail to the outside
world - and I can receive mail from the outside world,

Any help please

Fergal....




From alexisbellido at terra.com.pe  Mon Jul 15 18:36:43 2002
From: alexisbellido at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many installations on one server
In-Reply-To: <9828.194.237.142.30.1026748046.squirrel@mail.nologic.org>
Message-ID: <004d01c22c1d$cdf7d480$7610840a@p3mono>

Thank you Ciaran, i am testing right know and will let you know, i don't
use vpopmail, just Mailman 2.0.9 and Qmail, i also use Plesk 2.5 to
administer webhosting but the Plesk/Mailman part of the problem it's
just a matter of directories location and i have it working.

I undestand i will have to have these 2 lines on my .qmail-default file
of my domain mail directory (i have /var/qmail/mailnames/domain1.com )

|/preline /usr/bin/python 
|/usr/local/mailman/domain1.com/qmail-to-mailman.py

Why the first line?

You say: "Also the qmail-to-mailman.py script expects "mailman-" to be
the prefix to the mail, so you need to hack the script to change this to
"domain1.com-" if using vpopmail."

I don't use vpopmail, do i forget about this?.

Thanks!

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
alexis at ventanazul.com

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-----Mensaje original-----
De: Ciaran Johnston [mailto:cj at nologic.org] 
Enviado el: lunes, 15 de julio de 2002 10:47
Para: alexisbellido at terra.com.pe
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Many installations on one server


Hi Alexis,
I don't know if I can be of any help, but I have just successfully set
up Mailman on top of a qmail installation running name-based virtual
servers using vpopmail. I used the qmail-to-mailman.py script in the
contrib directory of the source distribution of Mailman.

In order to get qmail to pipe mail through to your mailman app, you
should put the following into the .qmail-default file in your domain's
home directory (if using vmailmgr - I think that's what it does) or in
/home/vpopmail/domaiins/mydomain1.com

|/preline /usr/bin/python 
|/usr/local/mailman/domain1.com/qmail-to-mailman.py

Also the qmail-to-mailman.py script expects "mailman-" to be the prefix
to the mail, so you need to hack the script to change this to
"domain1.com-" if using vpopmail.

Try 'tail -f'ing your maillog files as you send messages, this will show
you more of what's happening.

Hope this is of some use to you.

Regards,
Ciaran.

Alexis Bellido said:
> Hi, i know the subject of virtual hosts on Mailman 2.0.x has been 
> discussed a lot, i've read lots of posts on the archives.
>
> I have arrived to the conclusion that i will need multiple 
> installations on my server (Red Hat 7.2 using qmail).
>
> I have many domains hosted (i run a hosting company) and would like to

> have list at domain1.com and list at domain2.com for example.
>
> My websites are name based so they share my same ip.
>
> I installed mailman on both: /usr/local/mailman/domain1.com and 
> /usr/local/mailman/domain2.com , i can access the web interfaces, the 
> confirmation messages are sent to users but when users reply to 
> confirm their subscription or they send to list-request at domain.com 
> they don't get any reply.
>
> Apparently qmail is not processing the incoming mail for mailman.
>
> I am not a newbie at Linux but neither an expert so maybe i am missing

> something simple.
>
> I have checked my maillog file but don't understand much of what it 
> says, will a copy of last entries help you?, if i do a "less" of the 
> flle is just too big, how could i extract only lines i want?.
>
> If you have any ideas please let me know.
>
> Regards!
>
> Alexis Bellido M.
> www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce 
> alexis at ventanazul.com
>
> Realice sus consultas via chat en www.ventanazul.com
>
> ICQ: 95509061 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com | Yahoo ID: 
> alexisbellido
> Ofi: 4368700 - Cel: 9321389
>
>
>
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From mike at openconcept.ca  Mon Jul 15 18:36:16 2002
From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford)
Date: 15 Jul 2002 12:36:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Exim 4.05
Message-ID: <1026750979.9201.53.camel@office.openconcept.ca>

Hello,

I'm trying to set up mailman-2.0.12 on a RH 7.2 system using exim 4.05.

The main problem that I am having is that I believe your instructions
for setting up mailman & exim are 3.x specific.

If this isn't the case, please let me know, but I could not find a
Directors config file section in 4.05, but could find one prominently in
3.33.

I have tried to just 'stuff' the config info that didn't fit neatly into
the file into the exim config file, but that definitely didn't work.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Mike
-- 
Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting, http://www.openconcept.ca
Open Source Web Applications for Social Change.
Featured Client - NDP Leadership Candidate - http://www.billblaikie.org
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From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Mon Jul 15 19:18:42 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:18:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure fails on 2.0.12
Message-ID: 

Has anyone had problems running configure on mailman2.0.12?
2.0.11 builds fine but when I download 12 onto same box, I
consistantly get 
...checking for CGI extensions... no
./configure: test: unknown operator ==

Is there a new requirement or a bad script?

To force the issue, I can copy all the config files from 2.0.11 as
well as the Makefiles and it's happier...

Thanks

 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland 
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies   





From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Jul 15 19:25:04 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 15 Jul 2002 12:25:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure fails on 2.0.12
In-Reply-To: 
	
References: 
	
Message-ID: <1026753904.421.10.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 12:18, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> Has anyone had problems running configure on mailman2.0.12?
> 2.0.11 builds fine but when I download 12 onto same box, I
> consistantly get 
> ...checking for CGI extensions... no
> ./configure: test: unknown operator ==
> 
> Is there a new requirement or a bad script?
> 
> To force the issue, I can copy all the config files from 2.0.11 as
> well as the Makefiles and it's happier...
It looked to me like a bad script.  There is one occurrence of a test
with ==. 

I made the following patch to my copy:

$ diff -c configure ../../mailman-2.0.12/configure   
*** configure   Tue Jul  2 11:30:50 2002
--- ../../mailman-2.0.12/configure      Thu Jul 11 09:22:24 2002
***************
*** 1498,1504 ****
  fp.close()
  EOF
  $PYTHON conftest.py
! if [ "$?" == "1" ]
  then
      exit
  fi
--- 1498,1504 ----
  fp.close()
  EOF
  $PYTHON conftest.py
! if [ "$?" = "1" ]
  then
      exit
  fi
$ 

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From alexisbellido at terra.com.pe  Mon Jul 15 19:40:22 2002
From: alexisbellido at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:40:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many installations on one server
In-Reply-To: <9828.194.237.142.30.1026748046.squirrel@mail.nologic.org>
Message-ID: <005601c22c26$b1ec7bc0$7610840a@p3mono>

I see this at the comment lines at qmail-to-mailman.py

# INSTALLATION:
#
# Install this file as ~mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py
#
# To configure a virtual domain to connect to mailman, create these
files:
#
# ~mailman/.qmail-default
# |preline /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/mail-in.py
#
# /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains:
# DOMAIN.COM:mailman
#
# Replace DOMAIN.COM above with the name of the domain to be connected
to
# Mailman. Note that _all_ mail to that domain will go to Mailman, so
you
# don't want to put the name of your main domain here. In my case, I
created 
# lists.hams.com for Mailman, and I use hams.com as my regular domain.

They say:
# |preline /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/mail-in.py

Have they confused and put mail-in.py instead of qmail-to-mailman.py ?

And the part:

# /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains:
# DOMAIN.COM:mailman

Is needed?, they say i must use something like lists.domain.com or all
of the email to anything at domain.com will be sent to mailman. Uhhmm i
wanted to use listname at domain.com and not listname at lists.domain.com ,
how are you using it?.

Regards!.

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] En nombre de Ciaran Johnston
Enviado el: lunes, 15 de julio de 2002 10:47
Para: alexisbellido at terra.com.pe
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Asunto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Many installations on one server


Hi Alexis,
I don't know if I can be of any help, but I have just successfully set
up Mailman on top of a qmail installation running name-based virtual
servers using vpopmail. I used the qmail-to-mailman.py script in the
contrib directory of the source distribution of Mailman.

In order to get qmail to pipe mail through to your mailman app, you
should put the following into the .qmail-default file in your domain's
home directory (if using vmailmgr - I think that's what it does) or in
/home/vpopmail/domaiins/mydomain1.com

|/preline /usr/bin/python 
|/usr/local/mailman/domain1.com/qmail-to-mailman.py

Also the qmail-to-mailman.py script expects "mailman-" to be the prefix
to the mail, so you need to hack the script to change this to
"domain1.com-" if using vpopmail.

Try 'tail -f'ing your maillog files as you send messages, this will show
you more of what's happening.

Hope this is of some use to you.

Regards,
Ciaran.





From alexisbellido at terra.com.pe  Mon Jul 15 20:40:57 2002
From: alexisbellido at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:40:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many installations on one server
In-Reply-To: <9828.194.237.142.30.1026748046.squirrel@mail.nologic.org>
Message-ID: <005d01c22c2f$28f057c0$7610840a@p3mono>

Hi, i want to run multiple mailman installations with qmail, i have
already done these steps:

I want to create these 2 lists at first: general at domain1.com ,
general at domain2.com

1. I have used qmail-to-mailman.py script, put it on each directory for
each mailman installation (/usr/local/mailman/domain1.com and
/usr/local/mailman/domain2.com)

2. I have installed mailman using the appropiate mail-gid for qmail
(2520 in my case)

3. In my qmail-to-mailman.py i've put 

MailmanHome = "/usr/local/mailman/domain1.com"; # Mailman home
directory.

For domain1 and the same but with domain2 for domain2.

4. I've put this on .qmail-default for each domain:

For domain1:

|preline /usr/bin/python
/usr/local/mailman/domain1.com/qmail-to-mailman.py

For domain2:

|preline /usr/bin/python
/usr/local/mailman/domainx.com/qmail-to-mailman.py

I've used newlist for creating list general for each domain and still
get this error:

Jul 15 13:22:28 multivac qmail: 1026757348.043714 status: local 1/10
remote 0/20
Jul 15 13:22:28 multivac qmail: 1026757348.056362 delivery 48: deferral:
/usr/bin/python:_can't_open_file_'env'/
Jul 15 13:22:28 multivac qmail: 1026757348.056476 status: local 0/10
remote 0/20

When i subscribe some person using web interface i get the email asking
for confirmation, i reply to it but get no response from mailman.

I know i am very near to the solution, please somebody who uses multiple
installations of mailman for multiple domains and qmail could help me?.

Regards!

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
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From minter at lunenburg.org  Mon Jul 15 20:45:03 2002
From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:45:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner crash with 2.0.12
Message-ID: 

I upgraded over the weekend to Mailman 2.0.12, and got up this morning 
to find hundreds of entries in my qfiles/ directory.

I'm running into the same problem reported by Armour Van Horn on 
Saturday, namely an errors logfile full of:

###
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File 
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",line 283, in ?
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 253, in main
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      keepqueued = 
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", 
line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in 
ParseMailCommands
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      precedence = 
msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): AttributeError :  'string' object 
has no attribute 'lower'
###

Has there been any word on this bug?  I had to downgrade to 2.0.11 to 
keep my lists running.

--Wade





From SharkeyS at pediatrics.ohio-state.edu  Mon Jul 15 21:21:01 2002
From: SharkeyS at pediatrics.ohio-state.edu (Sharkey, Scott)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:21:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the List Server name...
Message-ID: <1366FE962DB3D311B8DA00A0C9EA04840217078D@RESMS01>

Hi All,

I need to change the name of the list server.  I have edited
mm_cfg.py, and recompiled it.  Yet the listinfo and admin pages
(and other places) persist in using the old list name.  Where is this
list name stored?

Thanks!!

--
Scott Sharkey, Sr. Developer
Document Management System
Children's Research Institute
 




From jerry at sandiego.edu  Mon Jul 15 22:54:00 2002
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:54:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH isn't very
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020714141856.00a2c930@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020714141856.00a2c930@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: 

>I have a user subscribed as name at eng.sun.com who just posted to a
>members-only list as name at sun.com. (Because of Sun's email setup,
>this is out of the user's control.) The posting failed to go through
>even though SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH was set to 1.
>
>Has anyone else hit this problem and found a fix? It seems like it
>must be a logic error in Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(), but it's not
>obvious to me where the problem is.

I think we have, and I think the solution was that mailman assumes it 
has the canonical e-mail address and searches for that domain within 
the domain of incoming mail. So, if your user was subscribed as 
name at sun.com, attempts to e-mail from name at eng.sun.com would work, 
because eng.sun.com contains sun.com. But sun.com does not contain 
eng.sun.com, so posting as sun.com when subscribed as eng.sun.com 
does not work.

There is probably some logic to this, as it is not unreasonable to 
posit a site where multiple subdomains are unrelated. (i.e., 
name at eng.sun.com and name at mktg@sun.com have their own namespaces). 
Mailman appears to be assuming that the subscription address is the 
most general possible, and only more specific addresses will match 
with SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH turned on.

Anyway, our solution was to resubscribe the user with their "real" 
address, and I have not heard from that list manager since on that 
subject.

Jerry
-- 
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--
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greater the government's power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
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From krobbins at jdwetherspoon.co.uk  Mon Jul 15 14:10:45 2002
From: krobbins at jdwetherspoon.co.uk (Kevin Robbins)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:10:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <94C45D6DB6ADD51193D300306E01F47B407E14@JDW5>

To whom it may concern

Will Mailman work on Red Hat 7.2 and with MS Exchange 5.5 as its SMTP server
?

Regards

Kevin Robbins
Network Manager
JD Wetherspoon plc
www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk  
+44 (0) 1923 477826 (w)

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From laurence at digitalpulp.com  Mon Jul 15 17:10:22 2002
From: laurence at digitalpulp.com (Laurence Berland)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:10:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying mailman to filter archived messages
Message-ID: <200207151110.22702.laurence@digitalpulp.com>

All,
	I'm trying to modify mailman to simplify some tasks.  Currently, sysadmins 
get various emails from LogWatch every day or so that need to be read through 
in depth and then saved to some mailbox somewhere.  This both takes a lot of 
time and creates lots of private copies of these messages, which is bad.
	The simple part of this is to instead have the emails go to a mailman list 
that these people may or may not choose to subscribe to, so that mailman will 
archive the messages and let people choose whether or not to receive them 
without the intervention of others.  The tough part is status coding.  I've 
already modified LogWatch (and will modify other email-sending scripts such 
as our backup scripts) to code certain lines based on whether or not they 
require attention.  Example 0: means "fine" or "green" and 2: means "trouble" 
or "red".  What I'd like mailman to do is trap these strings such as "0:" 
"1:" etc and replace them with something else.  Is there a particularl easy 
way to do this?  If not, where in the code could I conceivably do this.  I've 
been briefly skimming the code, and intend to read through quite a bit of it 
to figure all this out, but if anyone could at least point me in the right 
direction it'd make me very happy.

Thanks for your help,
Laurence Berland




From dave.filchak at zuka.net  Mon Jul 15 21:11:24 2002
From: dave.filchak at zuka.net (David Filchak)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:11:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install issue
Message-ID: 

I have installed mailman 2.0.12 under RH 7.3. Everything is in and I am at
the part where the install directions say to start the qrunner daemon by
executing $prefix/bin/mailmanctl start. That file is not there. Can you
point me in the right direction? It does not seem to have been installed.

Best regards,

Dave Filchak

David Filchak - President
Zuka Interactive Services Inc.
PH:416.591.0882?FX:416.591.0828
www.zuka.net || www.screamingmedia.ca
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From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Mon Jul 15 23:30:24 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:30:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH isn't very
In-Reply-To: 
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020714141856.00a2c930@rlw.best.vwh.net>
 <5.1.1.6.0.20020714141856.00a2c930@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020715142834.00a2a9b0@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 01:54 PM 7/15/02, Jerry Stratton wrote:
>>I have a user subscribed as name at eng.sun.com who just posted to a
>>members-only list as name at sun.com. (Because of Sun's email setup,
>>this is out of the user's control.) The posting failed to go through
>>even though SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH was set to 1.
>>
>>Has anyone else hit this problem and found a fix? It seems like it
>>must be a logic error in Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(), but it's not
>>obvious to me where the problem is.
>
>I think we have, and I think the solution was that mailman assumes it has the canonical e-mail address and searches for that domain within the domain of incoming mail. So, if your user was subscribed as name at sun.com, attempts to e-mail from name at eng.sun.com would work, because eng.sun.com contains sun.com. But sun.com does not contain eng.sun.com, so posting as sun.com when subscribed as eng.sun.com does not work.
>
>There is probably some logic to this, as it is not unreasonable to posit a site where multiple subdomains are unrelated. (i.e., name at eng.sun.com and name at mktg@sun.com have their own namespaces). Mailman appears to be assuming that the subscription address is the most general possible, and only more specific addresses will match with SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH turned on.
>
>Anyway, our solution was to resubscribe the user with their "real" address, and I have not heard from that list manager since on that subject.

Yes, I believe your analysis is correct. You can see the logic (or lack thereof? :-) in Utils.GetPossibleMatchingAddrs().

Thanks. I've changed the user's address on the list and it should work now.

For the curious, engineering folks at Sun Microsystems appear at eng.sun.com when at the office, and at sun.com when working from home. So they can't really help it.

- Bob





From pwhite at mailhaven.com  Tue Jul 16 01:48:25 2002
From: pwhite at mailhaven.com (Philip White)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:48:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available for sendmail?
Message-ID: <3D335F49.9040902@mailhaven.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I created the a "etc-officers" mailing list, but when I try to subscribe
to it from a different e-mail address, here's what I get in response to
my confirmation reply:


~   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd etc-officers"
~    (reason: service unavailable)
~    (expanded from: )

~   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable


I tried compiling Mailman with different mail-gids, like 0, 8
(mailuser), 12 (mailgroup), but none of them work.  Any ideas?
	Thanks.
- --
Philip M. White
Houston, TX; U.S.A.
GPG key: 0xC2A34385
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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Jul 16 07:50:02 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner crash with 2.0.12
References: 
Message-ID: <3D33B40A.2E2B83EB@whidbey.com>

Locate the two oldest files in /qfiles and move them out of the directory
(or delete them if the .msg file appears to be unimportant). At least in my
case the problem was that the oldest message was damaged and there was no
body. I'm working on the assumption that the lack of a message body is what
is referred to by "AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute
'lower'" in the last line of each error set.

I now wish that I had rolled back to an earlier version as a test. But since
I wiped out the oldest message and two others have reported rolling back to
cure the problem, perhaps the developer needs to see what sort of message is
stalling 2.0.12.

Van

"H. Wade Minter" wrote:

> I upgraded over the weekend to Mailman 2.0.12, and got up this morning
> to find hundreds of entries in my qfiles/ directory.
>
> I'm running into the same problem reported by Armour Van Horn on
> Saturday, namely an errors logfile full of:
>
> ###
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): Traceback (innermost last):
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",line 283, in ?
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      kids = main(lock)
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 253, in main
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      keepqueued =
> dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 157, in dispose_message
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
> ParseMailCommands
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355):      precedence =
> msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
> Jul 12 23:41:21 2002 qrunner(1355): AttributeError :  'string' object
> has no attribute 'lower'
> ###
>
> Has there been any word on this bug?  I had to downgrade to 2.0.11 to
> keep my lists running.
>
> --Wade
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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From jorgefm at cirsa.com  Tue Jul 16 09:38:58 2002
From: jorgefm at cirsa.com (jorgefm at cirsa.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:38:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner crash with 2.0.12
Message-ID: 

G.Armour Van Horn writes:

> Locate the two oldest files in /qfiles and move them out of the directory
> (or delete them if the .msg file appears to be unimportant). At least in
my
> case the problem was that the oldest message was damaged and there was no
> body. I'm working on the assumption that the lack of a message body is
what
> is referred to by "AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute
> 'lower'" in the last line of each error set.

I get the same error when I reply to a subscription' confirmation. This
message
has no body !! The subject has all mailman needs to confirm the
subscription.

Jorge Fernandez







From mufen_hsieh at mail2000.com.tw  Tue Jul 16 10:46:53 2002
From: mufen_hsieh at mail2000.com.tw (Mufen Hsieh)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:46:53 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner crontab question
Message-ID: <1026809213.89102.mufen_hsieh@mail2000.com.tw>

Modify $prefix/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py
Line 123        precedence = string.lower(msg.get('precedence', ''))
Line 124        ack = string.lower(msg.get('x-ack', ''))




From mufen_hsieh at mail2000.com.tw  Tue Jul 16 10:49:28 2002
From: mufen_hsieh at mail2000.com.tw (Mufen Hsieh)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:49:28 +0800 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner crontab question
Message-ID: <1026809368.91928.mufen_hsieh@mail2000.com.tw>

Modify $prefix/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py
Line 123        precedence = string.lower(msg.get('precedence', ''))
Line 124        ack = string.lower(msg.get('x-ack', ''))




From support at obantec.net  Tue Jul 16 10:24:21 2002
From: support at obantec.net (Obantec Support)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:24:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available for sendmail?
References: <3D335F49.9040902@mailhaven.com>
Message-ID: <295101c22ca2$332f30d0$0a01a8c0@gamma>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Philip White" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available for sendmail?


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I created the a "etc-officers" mailing list, but when I try to subscribe
> to it from a different e-mail address, here's what I get in response to
> my confirmation reply:
> 
> 
> ~   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd etc-officers"
> ~    (reason: service unavailable)
> ~    (expanded from: )
> 
> ~   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
> 
> 
> I tried compiling Mailman with different mail-gids, like 0, 8
> (mailuser), 12 (mailgroup), but none of them work.  Any ideas?
> Thanks.
> - --
> Philip M. White
> Houston, TX; U.S.A.
> GPG key: 0xC2A34385
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
> 
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> zGj9XMICbcY4jxThM9WzCtI=
> =4hSz
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

readme.sendmail!

    % cd /etc/smrsh
    % ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

Mark











From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Tue Jul 16 13:17:01 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:17:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available for sendmail?
In-Reply-To: <3D335F49.9040902@mailhaven.com>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Philip White wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> I created the a "etc-officers" mailing list, but when I try to subscribe
> to it from a different e-mail address, here's what I get in response to
> my confirmation reply:
> 
> 
> ~   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd etc-officers"
> ~    (reason: service unavailable)
> ~    (expanded from: )
> 
> ~   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
> 

Looks like you're running sendmail with smrsh (secure mail shell). To get it
to work with mailman, you'll need to make a link in wherever smrsh things
should be linked on your OS. eg On Solaris, it's /var/adm/sm.bin. If this
directory doesn't exist, create it then populate it with anything that smrsh
will need to run eg procmail, vacation, wrapper. It may look something like
this:

% ls -l /var/adm/sm.bin

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     other         23 Aug  9  2001 procmail -> /usr/local/bin/procmail*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     other         25 Jun 28 10:38 wrapper -> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland 
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies   





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Jul 16 14:38:28 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Jul 2002 14:38:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: Kevin Robbins's message of "Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:10:45 +0100"
References: <94C45D6DB6ADD51193D300306E01F47B407E14@JDW5>
Message-ID: 

Kevin Robbins  writes:

> Will Mailman work on Red Hat 7.2 and with MS Exchange 5.5 as its SMTP server
> ?

Yes. Tell your local MTA that he must use Exchange as relay|smarthost.


Please send no Cc. I answer only via the list.
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.





From daniel at danielgardner.org  Tue Jul 16 15:11:28 2002
From: daniel at danielgardner.org (Daniel Gardner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:11:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resource Usage
Message-ID: <1281854556.20020716141128@danielgardner.org>

Hi,

  I've just started using mailman, and it's not performing
  quite how I'd expect.

  qrunner is using around 140mb of ram to process messages,
  and taking about 20 minutes of CPU time. I'm not sure
  exactly what processor is in the box, but something like
  an 800mhz zeon.

  These numbers seem a little excessive to me.

  It's a bit hard to tell exactly which circumstances cause
  this to happen, but at the moment it's trying to do a
  500kb message to 217 people. I've also seen this behavior
  with smaller messages to one person today.

  When mailman passes the message to exim, the smtp log says
  that it took less than half a second.

  Has anyone seen anything like this before? It doesn't seem
  right that it should take so long to send each message...

  FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE, Mailman 2.0.8, Python 2.2, Exim 3.34

-- 
Best regards,
Daniel





From hut957 at sasktel.net  Tue Jul 16 16:42:58 2002
From: hut957 at sasktel.net (Tim Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:42:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
Message-ID: <7345c73bfa.73bfa7345c@qlo.com>

Hi,

I have recently begun enforcing a plain text only policy based on the 
instructions in FAQ 3.10: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.10
(adding header values to Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting 
filters, e.g. Content-Type: .*mixed)

The problem is that this has cast the net a little too wide.  At least 
one subscriber use AVG virus protection software, which adds a text 
attachment to every e-mail.  This results in a header of 
multipart/mixed, so the post gets held as having a suspicious header.  

More specifically, an example of a complete Content-type line is
Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
boundary="Boundary_(ID_Pcxr7Y3chQ46Gj8lLo/M5A)"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok

Is there anyway to match against "x-avg-checked", say, so that posts 
will be held if they include .*mixed, but not x-avg-checked.  I tried
Content-Type: .*mixed(?!x-avg-checked)
but this doesn't seem to work.  (I couldn't find any details about the 
regex syntax that mailman supports.)
 
Thanks
Tim





From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Tue Jul 16 17:42:50 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 16 Jul 2002 08:42:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
In-Reply-To: <7345c73bfa.73bfa7345c@qlo.com>
References: <7345c73bfa.73bfa7345c@qlo.com>
Message-ID: <1026834172.1756.112.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Tue, 2002-07-16 at 07:42, Tim Hutchinson wrote:
> I have recently begun enforcing a plain text only policy based on the 
> instructions in FAQ 3.10: 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.10
> (adding header values to Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting 
> filters, e.g. Content-Type: .*mixed)
> 
> The problem is that this has cast the net a little too wide.  At least 
> one subscriber use AVG virus protection software, which adds a text 
> attachment to every e-mail.  This results in a header of 
> multipart/mixed, so the post gets held as having a suspicious header.  
> 
> More specifically, an example of a complete Content-type line is
> Content-type: multipart/mixed; 
> boundary="Boundary_(ID_Pcxr7Y3chQ46Gj8lLo/M5A)"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok
> 
> Is there anyway to match against "x-avg-checked", say, so that posts 
> will be held if they include .*mixed, but not x-avg-checked.  I tried
> Content-Type: .*mixed(?!x-avg-checked)
> but this doesn't seem to work.  (I couldn't find any details about the 
> regex syntax that mailman supports.)

Tim,
A (?!...) Python negative lookahead assertion would be the preferred
solution, but I was unable to make it work with Mailman 2.0.x versions.
Barry stated that this will not be the case in 2.1.x.

If anyone knows how to get negative lookahead assertions to work in
Mailman 2.0.x versions, please enlighten me. Thanks.

ref.
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg09651.html

-- 
Mike Noyes 
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
http://leaf-project.org/





From laurence at digitalpulp.com  Tue Jul 16 17:52:06 2002
From: laurence at digitalpulp.com (Laurence Berland)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:52:06 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Modifying mailman to filter archived messages
Message-ID: <200207161152.06383.laurence@digitalpulp.com>

I'm currently thinking the _get_body function in HyperArch.py would be the
most ideal place to do this sort of thing, but I'm really not positive.  Any
tips?

Thanks,
Laurence

On Monday 15 July 2002 11:10 am, Laurence Berland wrote:
> All,
> 	I'm trying to modify mailman to simplify some tasks.  Currently, sysadmins
> get various emails from LogWatch every day or so that need to be read
> through in depth and then saved to some mailbox somewhere.  This both takes
> a lot of time and creates lots of private copies of these messages, which
> is bad. The simple part of this is to instead have the emails go to a
> mailman list that these people may or may not choose to subscribe to, so
> that mailman will archive the messages and let people choose whether or not
> to receive them without the intervention of others.  The tough part is
> status coding.  I've already modified LogWatch (and will modify other
> email-sending scripts such as our backup scripts) to code certain lines
> based on whether or not they require attention.  Example 0: means "fine" or
> "green" and 2: means "trouble" or "red".  What I'd like mailman to do is
> trap these strings such as "0:" "1:" etc and replace them with something
> else.  Is there a particularl easy way to do this?  If not, where in the
> code could I conceivably do this.  I've been briefly skimming the code, and
> intend to read through quite a bit of it to figure all this out, but if
> anyone could at least point me in the right direction it'd make me very
> happy.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Laurence Berland
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-------------------------------------------------------




From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Tue Jul 16 18:09:40 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:09:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Members" vs. "Subscribers"
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020716090107.00a28240@rlw.best.vwh.net>

This is a linguistic subtlety in the English version of Mailman.

Maliman refers to list subscribers as "members," for example when rejecting a post from a "non-member" to a "members-only" list. This terminology is confusing in some circumstances. Here's why.

I run lists for a professional, non-profit, organization which has dues-paying members. Not all paying members subscribe to all lists, and not all subscribers are paying members. If a dues-paying member has a posting rejected to what Mailman calls a "members-only" list, he will promptly complain to me that he is, in fact, a "member." And he's right. He's just not a *subscriber* to the list in question.

In my own Mailman 2.0.11 installation, I've scoured the sources for user-visible strings and changed "member" to "subscriber" everywhere I thought it was important. I would like to suggest this become an official terminology change for future versions of Mailman.

- Bob





From rhorer at swbell.net  Tue Jul 16 19:07:22 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Members" vs. "Subscribers"
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020716090107.00a28240@rlw.best.vwh.net>
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020716090107.00a28240@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <200207161207.22660.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Tuesday 16 July 2002 11:09, Bob Weissman wrote:
> This is a linguistic subtlety in the English version of Mailman.
[...]
> In my own Mailman 2.0.11 installation, I've scoured the sources for
> user-visible strings and changed "member" to "subscriber" everywhere
> I thought it was important. I would like to suggest this become an
> official terminology change for future versions of Mailman.

I'd like to reinforce the point.  When posts to my lists from 
dues-paying members are rejected because they are from "non-members" it 
raises some hackles.  The distinction between a member of the 
organization and a subscriber to one of the organization's lists needs 
to be clear.  I'm also eagerly awaiting the capability mentioned in a 
previous thread to summarily reject (or simply ignore) posts from 
non-subscribers to a subscribers-only list instead of requiring the 
list administrator to reject them.

Kyle




From alex at phred.org  Tue Jul 16 19:12:52 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:12:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
In-Reply-To: <94C45D6DB6ADD51193D300306E01F47B407E14@JDW5>
Message-ID: <20020716101135.F83713-100000@phred.org>

On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Kevin Robbins wrote:
> Will Mailman work on Red Hat 7.2 and with MS Exchange 5.5 as its SMTP server
> ?

I do this using Mailman on FreeBSD and Exchange 2000 as my SMTP server.
You'll need to configure Exchange to allow relay from the Mailman
machine.  On the Mailman machine set the SMTPHOST configuration
option in mm_cfg.py.

alex





From alex at phred.org  Tue Jul 16 19:15:53 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
In-Reply-To: <7345c73bfa.73bfa7345c@qlo.com>
Message-ID: <20020716101336.U83713-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Tim Hutchinson wrote:
> I have recently begun enforcing a plain text only policy based on the
> instructions in FAQ 3.10:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.10
> (adding header values to Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting
> filters, e.g. Content-Type: .*mixed)
>
> The problem is that this has cast the net a little too wide.  At least
> one subscriber use AVG virus protection software, which adds a text
> attachment to every e-mail.  This results in a header of
> multipart/mixed, so the post gets held as having a suspicious header.

You might find it easier to use a tool which strips MIME out of
your email and leaves behind plaintext.  There are four options
in the FAQ:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.13

I wrote stripmime and use it, but any of them should work.  It
will only keep text/plain sections and flattens them all to
a single body.

An advantage of this method is that you don't need to continously
teach list members to turn off HTML in their email client.

alex





From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Jul 16 19:32:29 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:32:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Members" vs. "Subscribers"
References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020716090107.00a28240@rlw.best.vwh.net>
Message-ID: <3D3458AD.42C449D6@whidbey.com>

I'm certainly not brave enough to attempt to change it, but I have often been bothered by the terminology. Subscriber is the exact right word in this case, member or employee might be a good fit, but then again, they might not. I have lists in which member, employee, and stockholder would be appropriate, but I also have a couple of lists where subscriber is the only correct word, and it is correct in all
cases.

So, I'll second the suggestion to globally change the terminology, but I don't want to get out my broadaxe and try it myself!

Van

Bob Weissman wrote:

> This is a linguistic subtlety in the English version of Mailman.
>
> Maliman refers to list subscribers as "members," for example when rejecting a post from a "non-member" to a "members-only" list. This terminology is confusing in some circumstances. Here's why.
>
> I run lists for a professional, non-profit, organization which has dues-paying members. Not all paying members subscribe to all lists, and not all subscribers are paying members. If a dues-paying member has a posting rejected to what Mailman calls a "members-only" list, he will promptly complain to me that he is, in fact, a "member." And he's right. He's just not a *subscriber* to the list in question.
>
> In my own Mailman 2.0.11 installation, I've scoured the sources for user-visible strings and changed "member" to "subscriber" everywhere I thought it was important. I would like to suggest this become an official terminology change for future versions of Mailman.
>
> - Bob
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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From hut957 at sasktel.net  Tue Jul 16 19:57:27 2002
From: hut957 at sasktel.net (Tim Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:57:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only
 policy
Message-ID: <88d82870eb.870eb88d82@qlo.com>

Thank you for the suggestion.  Unfortunately, although this sounds like 
a better solution, I'm just a list owner and don't have access to the 
mailman installation (and I'd be surprised if our ISP would be prepared 
to do this, either).

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: alex wetmore 
Date: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 11:15 am
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only 
policy

> You might find it easier to use a tool which strips MIME out of
> your email and leaves behind plaintext.  There are four options
> in the FAQ:
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.13
> 





From donwang at rcn.com  Tue Jul 16 20:11:00 2002
From: donwang at rcn.com (Don Z Wang)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:11:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to re-archive and list archive with most most recent posting first
In-Reply-To: <20020716174142.10013.85879.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

Two questions:

1. can I re-archive my mailing list archive?
When I first set up the mailing list, I experimented with a few options for
archival: monthly, quarterly, and yearly. I therefore got all those
fragemented parts in the archive. Can I re-archive according CURRENT setting
and consolidate the archives?
is this the command?  arch: rebuild a mailing list's archives

2. List archive messages with most recent posting first
Is there a way to list messages in ascending or decending order, when I
click on "View by dates"?

Thanks for help!

Don






From pwhite at mailhaven.com  Tue Jul 16 21:09:33 2002
From: pwhite at mailhaven.com (Philip White)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:09:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several problems that I noticed
Message-ID: <3D346F6D.3090302@mailhaven.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Bugs/problems that I noticed in 2.0.12:

On the Administrative Requests page, it says the following:

- -- When you're finished, click on the Submit All Data button at the top
or bottom of this page. This button will submit all selected actions for
all administrative requests that you've made a decision for. If you
don't want to make a decision for some requests, leave all the action
radio buttons unselected, and that request will not be removed from the
pending database. You can also .

See the last sentence?

Also, if I go into options and disable digest mode, then the
subscription form still has the question, with the choices, but with no
radio buttons.  So it looks like this:
Yes    No
Instead of:
o Yes   o No
Somewhat confusing.  Perhaps remove the section whatsoever, if only one
choice is allowed?

- --
Philip M. White
Houston, TX; U.S.A.
GPG key: 0xC2A34385
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From minter at lunenburg.org  Tue Jul 16 21:52:46 2002
From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:52:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems after 2.0.11 downgrade
Message-ID: <20020716155001.B83128-100000@bunning.skiltech.com>

I downgraded from 2.0.12 to 2.0.11 due to the issues I reported to the
list yesterday.

Today, a list client contacted me that they couldn't log into their
/admin/listname/ interface.  I tried it out, and sure enough, you press
"Let me in..." and the web browser just hangs while sending the request to
the host.

All other lists on this server work fine - you can get in with no
problems.  There is nothing showing up in the mailman logs or httpd logs.
The only clue I have is a process that shows up in the ps list:

nobody   83092  0.0  1.7  9496 8844  ??  S     3:48PM   0:00.67
/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver admin

Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong with this one list, or where
I might look for more information?

Thanks,
Wade

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http://digitalspeech.org/
http://www.libertyboard.org/






From tlynch at primate.wisc.edu  Tue Jul 16 22:12:32 2002
From: tlynch at primate.wisc.edu (Tom Lynch)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure problems
Message-ID: 


Python 2.2.1 (#1, Jul 16 2002, 13:08:19) 
[GCC 3.0.4] on sunos5

When I run configure, I get:

...
checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
    import pwd, string
ImportError: No module named pwd
cat: cannot open conftest.out

configure: error: 
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.


But mailman is valid...

extern/mailman-2.0.12% grep mailman /etc/passwd
mailman:x:1609:720::/usr2/mailman:/bin/tcsh


Can anyone help?

thanks,

Tom




From minter at lunenburg.org  Tue Jul 16 22:34:08 2002
From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:34:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems after 2.0.11 downgrade
In-Reply-To: <20020716155001.B83128-100000@bunning.skiltech.com>
Message-ID: <20020716163338.C87469-100000@bunning.skiltech.com>

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, H. Wade Minter wrote:

> All other lists on this server work fine - you can get in with no
> problems.  There is nothing showing up in the mailman logs or httpd logs.
> The only clue I have is a process that shows up in the ps list:
>
> nobody   83092  0.0  1.7  9496 8844  ??  S     3:48PM   0:00.67
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver admin
>
> Does anyone have any idea what might be wrong with this one list, or where
> I might look for more information?

Replying to myself, I tracked it down to stale lockfiles, just in case
anyone runs across a similar situation.

--Wade

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http://digitalspeech.org/
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From dheltzel at ccil.org  Tue Jul 16 23:22:43 2002
From: dheltzel at ccil.org (Dennis W Heltzel)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't get moderation to work
Message-ID: 

I'm using 2.0.11 (installed as part of RedHat 7.3) and I set up a number
of mailing lists. I have the option set to allow posting only by list
members (member_posting_only), and I also tried the option that holds all
posts for my approval. When a message comes in from an unknown address,
mailman immediately forwards it to the list administrator, but without any
information about how to approve it to be sent to the list. Likewise there
are no pending requests when I check via the admin page.

Dennis






From dheltzel at ccil.org  Wed Jul 17 00:42:10 2002
From: dheltzel at ccil.org (Dennis W Heltzel)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't get moderation to work
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Umm, never mind, I figured it out. Now I understand why people dislike
sendmail for virtual hosting.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Dennis W Heltzel wrote:
> I'm using 2.0.11 (installed as part of RedHat 7.3) and I set up a number
> of mailing lists. I have the option set to allow posting only by list
> members (member_posting_only), and I also tried the option that holds all
> posts for my approval. When a message comes in from an unknown address,
> mailman immediately forwards it to the list administrator, but without any
> information about how to approve it to be sent to the list. Likewise there
> are no pending requests when I check via the admin page.
>
> Dennis





From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Wed Jul 17 01:09:08 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:09:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] batch unsubscribe
Message-ID: <3D34A794.70FF9DF3@state.or.us>

I would like to be able to do a batch unsubscribe of an entire list, in this
case about 5,000 subscribers. I can see how to use the remove_members to remove
a group of subscribers using a text file, but not an entire list. I also would
like to do it without them receiving a message telling them that they have been
unsubscribed.


-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243 x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us




From narnett at mccmedia.com  Wed Jul 17 05:41:24 2002
From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:41:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback?
Message-ID: 

Does anyone here know of any message feedback mechanism that can be added to
Mailman?  I'm looking to add a web-based rating mechanism.  Initially, the
idea is to let people give others negative feedback points, but the price of
doing so is that you received a percentage of a point yourself, thus
creating a disincentive for downgrading a lot of other people.

I'm not interested in debating the ethics or efficacy of such a mechanism
right now, but I'd be more than happy to hear suggestions about how to make
it work properly.  I expect it to be relatively simple -- addition of a code
identifying the sender and recipient, which feed back via a CGI to Apache
and then MySQL.  I'm a bit concerned about the implicit slowdown in
delivery, but I'm not looking at a high-volume list yet.  That's the
one-click approach.  Otherwise, I could munge something into the archives,
but that'll require login to identify who's voting.

Any and all suggestions will be welcome.  Pointers on the best place(s) to
touch the code will be gratefully accepted.

Nick

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narnett at mccmedia.com
(408) 904-7198





From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Jul 17 07:33:05 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:33:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configure problems
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 15:12 -0500 7/16/2002, Tom Lynch wrote:
>Python 2.2.1 (#1, Jul 16 2002, 13:08:19)
>[GCC 3.0.4] on sunos5
>
>When I run configure, I get:
>
>...
>checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>    import pwd, string
>ImportError: No module named pwd

Here is the underlying error...the pwd ("password") module could not be
imported.

So it couldn't be used to find the mailman user.

Determine why the pwd module...a standard part of Python...isn't available.


>cat: cannot open conftest.out
Cat in lap, so typing briefly.

>
>configure: error:
>***** No "mailman" user found!
>***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
>***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
>***** file for details.
>
>
>But mailman is valid...

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Wed Jul 17 07:47:50 2002
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:47:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only
  policy
In-Reply-To: <88d82870eb.870eb88d82@qlo.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20020716224449.03aeae60@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 10:57 AM 7/16/02, Tim Hutchinson wrote:
 >Thank you for the suggestion.  Unfortunately, although this sounds like
 >a better solution, I'm just a list owner and don't have access to the
 >mailman installation (and I'd be surprised if our ISP would be prepared
 >to do this, either).

I'd be more surprised if your ISP would refuse to do it.  Stripping MIME 
off mailing list destined posts makes everyone's life easier.  It helps 
ensure that the list can't be used to spread a virus, it helps ensure that 
unsubscribe requests are processed, etc.  It's not that hard to install, 
and it's a huge value-add for the ISP.

The only reason they would refuse to do it is if the benefits weren't made 
clear enough when you ask.

IMHO, YMMV

jc  (posted and emailed)





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Jul 17 07:53:35 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020716224449.03aeae60@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: 

On 7/16/02 10:47 PM, "JC Dill"  wrote:

> I'd be more surprised if your ISP would refuse to do it.  Stripping MIME
> off mailing list destined posts makes everyone's life easier.

Except that's not where things are headed. Especially when you start dealing
with non-english language stuff. Instead, we need to selectively strip
UNSAFE content and stop going to LCD situations.

But I know from previous discussions you won't agree with me on this, and I
won't push the agenda right now...


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui at plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

The Cliff's Notes Cliff's Notes on Hamlet:
    And they all died happily ever after





From avbidder at fortytwo.ch  Wed Jul 17 09:50:44 2002
From: avbidder at fortytwo.ch (Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder)
Date: 17 Jul 2002 09:50:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020716224449.03aeae60@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020716224449.03aeae60@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>
Message-ID: <1026892244.20000.58.camel@atlas>

On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 07:47, JC Dill wrote:
> On 10:57 AM 7/16/02, Tim Hutchinson wrote:
>  >Thank you for the suggestion.  Unfortunately, although this sounds like
>  >a better solution, I'm just a list owner and don't have access to the
>  >mailman installation (and I'd be surprised if our ISP would be prepared
>  >to do this, either).
> 
> I'd be more surprised if your ISP would refuse to do it.  Stripping MIME 
> off mailing list destined posts makes everyone's life easier.  It helps 
> ensure that the list can't be used to spread a virus, it helps ensure that 
> unsubscribe requests are processed, etc.  It's not that hard to install, 
> and it's a huge value-add for the ISP.

It would be a reason to immediately change ISP if my mailing list would
break all signed e-mail. Also, there are many lists where file
attachments are not that uncommon.

While I do not like html mail, I doubt that generally stripping MIME is
a good move. Any ISP should install that only on request for a specific
list.

cheers
-- vbi

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From minduni at ti-edu.ch  Wed Jul 17 10:47:48 2002
From: minduni at ti-edu.ch (Marco Induni)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:47:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN 2.0.12
Message-ID: <3D352F34.2020602@ti-edu.ch>

Hi all,
I've upgraded from 2.0.8 to 2.0.12, but now I can't send email to the 
list. The qrunner log this :

Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      keepqueued = 
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
"/usr/local/apps/mailman-2.0.12/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 
123, in ParseMailCommands
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      precedence = 
msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122): AttributeError :  'string' object 
has no attribute 'lower'


Any Idea ?

Thanks

-- 
Marco Induni
Universita` della Svizzera italiana
Servizi informatici / TI-EDU
Galleria 2
CH-6928 Manno (Switzerland)
E-mail: minduni at ti-edu.ch
Tel./Fax: +41 91 610 94 01





From geoff at mylesahead.cc  Wed Jul 17 10:50:36 2002
From: geoff at mylesahead.cc (Geoff Robertson)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:50:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perhaps an arb question but would really appreciate any help
Message-ID: <870A9AB66B5F034EA7B30E842064212D0795B2@matrix.internal.mylesahead.cc>

Hi,

I'm trying to found out where to set up the indentation formatting for
messages in the archive , at the moment all the messages and their
replies are not differentiated (one long list down the left hand side)
so it is quite hard to tell where a thread starts. Any help would be
greatly appreciated.

TIA

Geoff Robertson
Myles Ahead Networking
 




From jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org  Wed Jul 17 13:32:00 2002
From: jim-ml at halemail.dyndns.org (Jim Hale)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:32:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN 2.0.12
In-Reply-To: <3D352F34.2020602@ti-edu.ch>
Message-ID: <003301c22d85$913adf10$fa010a0a@HALE.local>

Does anyone know if there's a RH 7.3 RPM out yet? I checked rpmfind.net
but the latest version was 2.0.11.

Thanks! :)

Jim Hale
---
http://hale.dyndns.org 






From cprg at cprg.net  Wed Jul 17 14:03:23 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:03:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020716224449.03aeae60@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> <1026892244.20000.58.camel@atlas>
Message-ID: <023601c22d89$f4217cc0$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

Please do not send attachments to the list. 
They are deleted, unopened.
SD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy


From cprg at cprg.net  Wed Jul 17 14:25:50 2002
From: cprg at cprg.net (Support Desk)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:25:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020716224449.03aeae60@pop3.vo.cnchost.com><1026892244.20000.58.camel@atlas> <023601c22d89$f4217cc0$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net> <1026907729.20000.86.camel@atlas>
Message-ID: <027401c22d8d$16abed40$0100007f@vineln01.nj.comcast.net>

You replied without attachment, which leads to conclusion
that YOU have control of the option on your end. 

Mailman FAQ Entry

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

3.10. How do I enforce a text/plain posts only policy?

In Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting filters 
Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp. 


    Content-Type: .*octet
    Content-Type: .*oda
    Content-Type: .*audio
    Content-Type: .*image
    Content-Type: .*alternative
    Content-Type: .*digest
    Content-Type: .*mixed
    Content-Type: .*rich
    Content-Type: .*html
    Content-Type: .*video
Sample Rejection Message: 
  Content-Type: (from message header)
  X-Mailer: (from message header)
  Please configure your email client [1] to send text/plain messages to
  this list. Instead of attachments, you should include any diagnostic
  information as in-line text in the main message body.
  [1] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
  Details:
  Only messages with a Content-type: of "text/plain" and
  "multipart/signed" are automatically posted to the list. All other
  content-types are held for administrative action.
  If you have any questions about this policy, please send them to
  .
An alternate solution is to use a mime stripping script. FAQ 1.8 
explains how to do this. 


SD 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder" 
To: "Support Desk" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy


| On Wed, 2002-07-17 at 14:03, Support Desk wrote:
| > Please do not send attachments to the list. 
| > They are deleted, unopened.
| > SD
| 
| Please fix your mail system not to sent such message to mailing lists.
| 
| And, btw, the attachment in question was a pgp signature. This is common
| on many lists, and I've not seen anybody complaining about it.
| 
| 
| cheers
| -- vbi
| 
| > 
| > ----- Original Message ----- 
| > From: "Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder" 
| > To: 
| > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:50 AM
| > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
| -- 
| secure email with gpg                         http://fortytwo.ch/gpg
| 
| 
| 

From macnut at macnuthome.com  Wed Jul 17 14:58:12 2002
From: macnut at macnuthome.com (Victor Daniel a.k.a the MacNut)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:58:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing Archives From Listserv
In-Reply-To: <20020717054902.9655.36774.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020717054902.9655.36774.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

Hello all,
I've looked over the documentation on Mailman and can't find anything 
on this, so I have to ask: is there any way to import message 
archives from Listserv into Mailman? I'd like to move a list from 
Listserv into Mailman, but there are more than two years on archived 
messages from this list that I'd like to keep and possibly integrate 
into Mailman's own archives as well.

Is this possible? If so, how?

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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	      And the Macintosh Personal Finance List:
	




From dheltzel at ccil.org  Wed Jul 17 15:42:10 2002
From: dheltzel at ccil.org (Dennis W Heltzel)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

This sounds a lot like what a weblog server does. A great example of this
in action is http://www.slashdot.org. If you have access to a server that
can run Zope, you should try a Zope product called "Squishdot". I believe
it does user feedback really well, though my experience with it is
limited.

Dennis

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Nick Arnett wrote:
> Does anyone here know of any message feedback mechanism that can be added to
> Mailman?  I'm looking to add a web-based rating mechanism.  Initially, the
> idea is to let people give others negative feedback points, but the price of
> doing so is that you received a percentage of a point yourself, thus
> creating a disincentive for downgrading a lot of other people.
>
> I'm not interested in debating the ethics or efficacy of such a mechanism
> right now, but I'd be more than happy to hear suggestions about how to make
> it work properly.  I expect it to be relatively simple -- addition of a code
> identifying the sender and recipient, which feed back via a CGI to Apache
> and then MySQL.  I'm a bit concerned about the implicit slowdown in
> delivery, but I'm not looking at a high-volume list yet.  That's the
> one-click approach.  Otherwise, I could munge something into the archives,
> but that'll require login to identify who's voting.
>
> Any and all suggestions will be welcome.  Pointers on the best place(s) to
> touch the code will be gratefully accepted.
>
> Nick





From phil at rawpine.com  Wed Jul 17 16:22:52 2002
From: phil at rawpine.com (Phil Greenwood)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 00:22:52 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help for a Newbie!
Message-ID: <002601c22d9d$72968e20$0200a8c0@p733>

I am brand new at this and am setting up a mail list.  I have run into a
problem that may be my stupidity, but I can't figure it out.
If someone posts something to a mail list that is off (rude, defamatory,
illegal) I want to be able to delete the entry from the archive.  I also
want to delete all my "test messages" before I bring other people into
the mail list.   I have searched the FAQ's and although python.org FAQs
includes an entry on removing a post (3.3), the solution depends on
running a script or command.  I have no idea how to do that or even how
to find the archive (other than through the normal web browser
interface).  Can anyone give me some basic (noddy language) clues as to
how to do this?
Phil
 
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From randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu  Wed Jul 17 16:34:00 2002
From: randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu (randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:34:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need advice on migrating existing Mailman to new hard drive
Message-ID: <3D354818.6634.412EA6@localhost>

I sent this message to the list but received no response so thought I 
might try again.  Thanks in advance to anyone who may be able to 
offer advice.

I am installing a new hard drive in my server with a clean install of 
Redhat 7.3 and its updated Mailman RPM (version 2.0.11-1).  I am 
looking for some advice on how to move all of the Mailman files 
(membership, archives, list configs, etc.) from the old drive to the 
new one safely.  The old hard drive is running Redhat 7.1 with 
Mailman 2.0.5 using Sendmail.  

Randy Stoecker
Professor of Sociology
Moderator/Editor
COMM-ORG:  The On-Line Conference on Community Organizing 
and Development
Department of Sociology and Anthropology
University of Toledo
Toledo, OH  43606
USA

phone: 419-530-4975
fax: 419-530-8406

e-mail: randy at comm-org.utoledo.edu






From alex at phred.org  Wed Jul 17 16:43:00 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:43:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20020717074039.V83713-100000@phred.org>

On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> On 7/16/02 10:47 PM, "JC Dill"  wrote:
> > I'd be more surprised if your ISP would refuse to do it.  Stripping MIME
> > off mailing list destined posts makes everyone's life easier.
>
> Except that's not where things are headed. Especially when you start dealing
> with non-english language stuff. Instead, we need to selectively strip
> UNSAFE content and stop going to LCD situations.
>
> But I know from previous discussions you won't agree with me on this, and I
> won't push the agenda right now...

Mailman needs to have better support for MIME in digests and archives
before not stripping all MIME makes sense.  My users who were happiest
when I started stripping all MIME were the digest recipients who
previously had to wade through raw MIME.  You can tell Mailman to
send digests with each message as a MIME attachment, but that is harder
for most people to browse using common MUAs.

Two of the four stripping tools mentioned in the FAQ allow for
selective stripping of content.  I'll agree that my tool (stripmime)
takes the most drastic approach of stripping everything.

alex





From laurence at digitalpulp.com  Wed Jul 17 16:52:01 2002
From: laurence at digitalpulp.com (Laurence Berland)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:52:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extending mailman (adding config options)
Message-ID: <200207171052.01835.laurence@digitalpulp.com>

Those of you following my previous emails (lamentably unanswered so far) will 
already know that I'm trying to extend mailman to add color-coded graphics to 
the archives to parse logwatch emails and such more efficiently.

I'd like to have this configurable from the archive options page, so I was 
wondering what the standard structure for adding options is.  Is there a 
premade set of mailman functions for extending this in a standard and 
non-kldugy way, and are they accessible as is from HyperArch.py?

TIA,
Laurence




From narnett at mccmedia.com  Wed Jul 17 17:55:36 2002
From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:55:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feedback?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Thanks for the suggestion, that that's not really what I'm after.  I'm
talking about adding that sort of functionality to the e-mail messages
themselves, with links back to the server.  I'm quite familiar with
Slashdot, Zope, etc.

Nick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W Heltzel [mailto:dheltzel at mercury.ccil.org]On Behalf Of
> Dennis W Heltzel
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:42 AM
> To: Nick Arnett
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Feedback?
>
>
> This sounds a lot like what a weblog server does. A great example of this
> in action is http://www.slashdot.org. If you have access to a server that
> can run Zope, you should try a Zope product called "Squishdot". I believe
> it does user feedback really well, though my experience with it is
> limited.





From jonc at haht.com  Wed Jul 17 18:00:50 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:00:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HowTo edit Archives by hand
In-Reply-To: <002601c22d9d$72968e20$0200a8c0@p733>
References: <002601c22d9d$72968e20$0200a8c0@p733>
Message-ID: <200207171600.g6HG0iH21971@salsa.haht.com>

I think this is already in the FAQ, but just in case, here is a brief run 
through for the 2.0.x series...

The archives are found in:
  ~mailman/archives/private/

There are two subdirectories for each list:

  .mbox:  This directory contains one file, a text based 
        Mailbox with all the archived messages.  This file is the 
        *real* archive.

   : This directory contains all the manufactured Web/text
        files needed to display the archived messages.  The files in
        this directory are all generated from the Mailbox found in the
        other directory.

To edit out an email,
  - Take mailman off-line (stopping cron is effective for this).
  - Goto the Mailbox containing the archive
  - Edit this large file and remove the offending email

      Note: this is a large text based file containing
      many emails, each stacked on top of each other 
      inside the file.  Each email starts with a line like:
        "From user at domain.com  Mon Mar 12 14:23 2002"

      There will be other lines in the email that look similar 
      and start with "From: " (note the colon instead of a space)
         "From: User Name "
      These lines are header lines inside the email.

  - Once the offending emails are edited or removed,
     move the files in the current web files for the archive
     to a backup directory and run:
       ~mailman/bin/arch   
     This will regenerate all the HTML files used by the archive.
  - Bring mailman back on-line (restart cron)

Best of luck,

Jon Carnes

On Wednesday 17 July 2002 10:22 am, Phil Greenwood wrote:
> I am brand new at this and am setting up a mail list.  I have run into a
> problem that may be my stupidity, but I can't figure it out.
> If someone posts something to a mail list that is off (rude, defamatory,
> illegal) I want to be able to delete the entry from the archive.  I also
> want to delete all my "test messages" before I bring other people into
> the mail list.   I have searched the FAQ's and although python.org FAQs
> includes an entry on removing a post (3.3), the solution depends on
> running a script or command.  I have no idea how to do that or even how
> to find the archive (other than through the normal web browser
> interface).  Can anyone give me some basic (noddy language) clues as to
> how to do this?
> Phil




From mike at openconcept.ca  Wed Jul 17 19:18:22 2002
From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford)
Date: 17 Jul 2002 13:18:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Exim 4.05 & Mailiman - Missing the Directors Configuration
 (update)
Message-ID: <1026926302.9811.3.camel@office.openconcept.ca>

Hello Again,

> | I'm assuming now that the Directors Config area in the runtime
> | configuration file has been removed in 4.x
> Correct.  exim4 was revamped, and the router/director distinction was
> removed.

Ok..  So when mailman's README.EXIM tells me to put files in the
Directors section, this should be the same as putting it in the ROUTERS
CONFIGURATION section as exim is no longer distinguishing between the
two.

> | If so does anyone have any suggestions on the modifications required
> | to a 4.05 setting to get mailman & exim cooperating?
> Convert the example director to a router.

I've tried to do this... I can't see how it would need any more
configuration..  However exim 4.05 seems to dislike the driver =
smartuser in the following (Now at the bottom of the Routers Config
section):

list_owner_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   suffix = "-owner"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"


The error it gives me is as follows:

[root at learningpartnership exim.mike]# bin/exim -C configure -bV
Exim version 4.05 #3 built 13-Jul-2002 23:35:22
Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2002
2002-07-16 10:31:21 Exim configuration error in line 438:
  router list_owner_director: cannot find router driver "smartuser"


I've been searching for info on this error, but I can't seem to find
much of interest.  Does exim 4.05 support a smartuser driver or has this
concept too been revised.

> The Mailman 2.1 CVS tree has instructions on using exim4.

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/README.EXIM?rev=2.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

>From this I'm guessing that 
	driver = smartuser
should be replaced by
	driver = accept

But pretty much every line in the exim config looks like it would need
to be rewritten as 
	suffix = -request
	new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
	(and likely others)
	prefix = "owner-"

all need to be rewritten for 4.0.5

> I'm sure you can combine the data in the mailman instructions and
> exim's spec to create the necessary transports and routers tailored to
> your usage of mailman.  If you have specific questions about certain
> options or something, then by all means ask.  

The are very different and I don't know enough about exim or mailman to
wade through the code and try to find something that 'may' work via
trial & error.  Could take years..

Is there a way to rewrite this easily for exim 4.05?  What other
instructions are no longer useful in the new exim and can I just replace
them?

list_owner_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   suffix = "-owner"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

owner_list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   prefix = "owner-"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

##
## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the
appropriate
## transport.  List existence is checked as above.

list_admin_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -admin
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_admin_transport

list_request_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -request
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_request_transport

list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_transport

> (I haven't personally
> configured mailman so I can't really give any better info than that)

That makes it harder..  I didn't think I was doing anything too
groundbreaking here..  this isn't the alpha release of exim..  Had hoped
that others using mailman had upgraded to a more current version of exim
than 3.33 and would have experience (and config pointers) to share.

Mike
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From anna at water.ca.gov  Wed Jul 17 19:40:05 2002
From: anna at water.ca.gov (Fong, Anna)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:40:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need advice on migrating existing Mailman to new hard drive
Message-ID: 

1. Backup /lists and /archives directories and config.db for each list
2. Use newlist utility to create a list for each
3. Drop in /lists and /archives directories in appropriate locations (see original lists for pathing)
4. Replace config.db with backup copy for each

If paths are same --
5. Use move_list utility to update config.db for each 

If paths are different --
5. Use withlist utility in script to update config.db for each
    Sample scripts available at
    http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-August/002009.html
    http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-April/018960.html
    http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-April/018998.html


Hope this helps,
Anna



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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	mailman-users-admin at python.org [SMTP:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of randy.stoecker at utoledo.edu
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:34 AM
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] need advice on migrating existing Mailman to new hard drive
> 
> I sent this message to the list but received no response so thought I 
> might try again.  Thanks in advance to anyone who may be able to 
> offer advice.
> 
> I am installing a new hard drive in my server with a clean install of 
> Redhat 7.3 and its updated Mailman RPM (version 2.0.11-1).  I am 
> looking for some advice on how to move all of the Mailman files 
> (membership, archives, list configs, etc.) from the old drive to the 
> new one safely.  The old hard drive is running Redhat 7.1 with 
> Mailman 2.0.5 using Sendmail.  
> 
> Randy Stoecker
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> and Development
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> 
> phone: 419-530-4975
> fax: 419-530-8406
> 
> e-mail: randy at comm-org.utoledo.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 




From jimpop at rocketship.com  Wed Jul 17 19:44:33 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:44:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HowTo edit Archives by hand
In-Reply-To: <200207171600.g6HG0iH21971@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: 

A side effect of doing this is that the re-generated html files are not
necessarily referenced as they used to be.  Thus if there are other
references to these files (such as this one:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-July/021154.html) they
will be incorrect/invalid after a re-arch.

-Jim P.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes
>
> I think this is already in the FAQ, but just in case, here is a brief run
> through for the 2.0.x series...
>
> The archives are found in:
>   ~mailman/archives/private/
>
> There are two subdirectories for each list:
>
>   .mbox:  This directory contains one file, a text based
>         Mailbox with all the archived messages.  This file is the
>         *real* archive.
>
>    : This directory contains all the manufactured Web/text
>         files needed to display the archived messages.  The files in
>         this directory are all generated from the Mailbox found in the
>         other directory.
>
> To edit out an email,
>   - Take mailman off-line (stopping cron is effective for this).
>   - Goto the Mailbox containing the archive
>   - Edit this large file and remove the offending email
>
>       Note: this is a large text based file containing
>       many emails, each stacked on top of each other
>       inside the file.  Each email starts with a line like:
>         "From user at domain.com  Mon Mar 12 14:23 2002"
>
>       There will be other lines in the email that look similar
>       and start with "From: " (note the colon instead of a space)
>          "From: User Name "
>       These lines are header lines inside the email.
>
>   - Once the offending emails are edited or removed,
>      move the files in the current web files for the archive
>      to a backup directory and run:
>        ~mailman/bin/arch  
>      This will regenerate all the HTML files used by the archive.
>   - Bring mailman back on-line (restart cron)
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Jon Carnes
>












From andrew at superkids.com  Wed Jul 17 20:24:30 2002
From: andrew at superkids.com (Andrew Maisel)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup problem w/email commands
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20020717112430.008a0760@superkids.com>

Just installed Mailman v2.0.9 with Python v2.1.3 on FreeBSD, and I'm having
difficulty enabling any active responses to email commands.  For example:

o  posts to the list result in a copy being sent to the list owner only --
not to the subscribers

o  email subscribe requests result in a copy being sent to the list owner,
but do not result in any server responses, i.e. subscriber does not receive
a confirmation email, and is not shown on list of subscribers

o  email unsubscribe requests => same problem

o  email help requests => blank email response

Suggestions??

Thanks!







From chris at vanoosterhout.com  Wed Jul 17 21:10:24 2002
From: chris at vanoosterhout.com (Christopher Van Oosterhout)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:10:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Install Issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200207171600.g6HG0iH21971@salsa.haht.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717150707.04d78d50@www.vanoosterhout.com>

Hello All,

I have used Mailman in the past on other servers and really appreciated 
it.  Now it is time to change servers and I am having some problems.

First of all I have an issue that it appears from my searching that there 
is not currently a solution for.  I am running Red Hat 7.x ... it is my 
understanding that there is no practical and safe way to upgrade these 
machines to the version of Python needed to operate the latest Mailman 
version.  Is that correct?

Now on to the more pressing problem.  I am trying to install 
Mailman.  Every time when I complete the ./configure command and then run 
make install  I get an error saying that there is no target for install and 
make stops.

Any ideas?  What am I doing wrong?

Christopher





From barry at zope.com  Wed Jul 17 22:34:24 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:34:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Extending mailman (adding config options)
References: <200207171052.01835.laurence@digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <15669.54480.382002.194754@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "LB" == Laurence Berland  writes:

    LB> Those of you following my previous emails (lamentably
    LB> unanswered so far) will already know that I'm trying to extend
    LB> mailman to add color-coded graphics to the archives to parse
    LB> logwatch emails and such more efficiently.

    LB> I'd like to have this configurable from the archive options
    LB> page, so I was wondering what the standard structure for
    LB> adding options is.  Is there a premade set of mailman
    LB> functions for extending this in a standard and non-kldugy way,
    LB> and are they accessible as is from HyperArch.py?

I'm not totally sure what you're asking about, but there is definitely
a recipe for adding new mailing list configuration options.

Briefly outlined:

- Decide on an attribute name (or names if there are more than one).
  Be sure they don't collide with existing names.

- Decide what the data type will be ("bool", int, strings) -- for
  simplicity try to stick to one of the 13 existing "Enumeration for
  Mailman cgi widget types" defined in Defaults.py.in

- Add attribute init code for newly created lists.  For
  archiver/pipermail options, these would go in Archiver.InitVars() in
  Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py

- Add support for "schema updating" for existing lists.  If you're
  adding new config options, this probably means adding a few lines to
  NewVars() in Mailman/versions.py

- Bump the DATA_FILE_VERSION so the schemas will auto-update on next
  MailList object load.

- Add the gui goo (i.e. the widget descriptions).  For the archiver
  admin page, you're talking about adding to the returned list in
  Archive.GetConfigInfo() in Mailman/Gui/Archive.py.

HTH,
-Barry




From hongbin19982002 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 18 00:51:43 2002
From: hongbin19982002 at yahoo.com (Hongbin Liu)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question --installation
Message-ID: <20020717225143.53701.qmail@web12902.mail.yahoo.com>

Greetings all:

 I thought I just got mailman set up. I created
 a test mailing list "test" and try to subscribe
 to the list. I got confirmation number and
 reply as instructed. But I never got Welcome
 message.  View subscribers of "test" or
 running bin/list_members test gave me a blank
 page.

 I would appreciate you kind help if you can point
 out what could be wrong with my setting.
 Thanks in advance!

 Hongbin




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From gmills at library.berkeley.edu  Thu Jul 18 17:38:41 2002
From: gmills at library.berkeley.edu (Garey Mills)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:38:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Which is better - qrunner standalone or run from cron?
Message-ID: 

Hi -

	I am running some lists that need timely delivery. Yesterday,
qrunner just quit for some reason (which I have not been able to determine
from the logs) and some announcements didn't get out in time. Would I be
better off running it from cron with the '-o' option (I'm running Mailman
2.1b2).

Any help appreciated;

Garey Mills
Library Systems Office
UC Berkeley





From khcarlso at bellsouth.net  Thu Jul 18 19:20:03 2002
From: khcarlso at bellsouth.net (Kevin Carlson)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:20:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending messages without admin approval
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have tried several things and I can't seem to get mailman to send a
message from a list without administrator approval.  I have the following
options set:

In Privacy Options under General Posting Filters:
  Must posts be approved by administrator?   NO
  Restrict posting privileges to list members? YES
  Addresses of members accepted for posting.....?  

Is there anything I'm missing here?  No matter what I try, I still have to
go into "Pending Administrative Tasks" and approve the emails.

Thanks,

Kevin





From bronto at csd-bes.net  Thu Jul 18 20:01:38 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:01:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2: wrong admin & archives URL
Message-ID: 

I am using mailman 2.1b2; this is on a relatively new machine, and I 
created new instances of my existing lists on it before transfering 
all of my existing domains to the new server.  Therefore, I created 
the lists via the 'wrong' domain, and now accessing the admin 
functions and archives forwards me to that domain.  So if I go to 
http://www.rightdomain.com/mailman/listinfo/somelist and click on the 
admin link it goes to 
http://www.wrongdomain.com/mailman/admin/somelist.  Apparently this 
info is hard-coded somewhere, but I can't find it.  Can someone 
in-the-know give me a hint?

Thanks

Rob




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Jul 18 10:18:40 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:18:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
In-Reply-To: <20020717074039.V83713-100000@phred.org>
References:  <20020717074039.V83713-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <20020718081840.GU9422@hq.newdream.net>

alex wetmore wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>>  On 7/16/02 10:47 PM, "JC Dill"  wrote:

>>> I'd be more surprised if your ISP would refuse to do it.  Stripping MIME
>>> off mailing list destined posts makes everyone's life easier.

>>  Except that's not where things are headed. Especially when you start
>>  dealing with non-english language stuff. Instead, we need to
>>  selectively strip UNSAFE content and stop going to LCD situations.

A message with a content-type of text/plain can still contain
non-english characters, no?
 
>>  But I know from previous discussions you won't agree with me on
>>  this, and I won't push the agenda right now...
 
> Mailman needs to have better support for MIME in digests and archives
> before not stripping all MIME makes sense.  My users who were happiest
> when I started stripping all MIME were the digest recipients who
> previously had to wade through raw MIME.  You can tell Mailman to send
> digests with each message as a MIME attachment, but that is harder for
> most people to browse using common MUAs.
> 
> Two of the four stripping tools mentioned in the FAQ allow for
> selective stripping of content.  I'll agree that my tool (stripmime)
> takes the most drastic approach of stripping everything.

FWIW, SYMPA is supposedly MIME aware (I haven't played with it at all).
It also has some encryption features that sound cool.

I agree that stripping MIME to lists is generally a good idea,
especially where the archives are concerned. Personally, I rarely /
never send attachments to mailing lists, since it's usually easier to
put the file up and let people retrieve it via http or FTP... and I try
to avoid sending PGP/MIME messages on the rare occasions i sign messages
to a list. I'm almost invariably happy when lists I'm on have demime (or
stripmime or whatever) installed, as it gets rid of all matter of
annoyances.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >





From csf at incose.propagation.net  Thu Jul 18 20:11:04 2002
From: csf at incose.propagation.net (Cassandra Fleetwood)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:11:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.11
Message-ID: <003101c22e86$7d802280$72e091a4@SSLPphaedra>

 Mailman 2.0.11, Apache-1.3.23, Python-1.5.2

My Mailman installation has been running fine for a couple of months.
Today Mailman began displaying the following error when attempting to access
the admin page or list info page for any list:

"Bug in Mailman version 2.0.11
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs."

No errors in /mailman/logs/error, no locks in mailman/locks. What else
should I check?
-Cassandra







From fcombernous at eprocess.fr  Thu Jul 18 10:06:54 2002
From: fcombernous at eprocess.fr (Fabien COMBERNOUS)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:06:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HowTo edit Archives by hand
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200207171600.g6HG0iH21971@salsa.haht.com> 
Message-ID: <20020718080654.GA22675@fcombernous.mtp.eprocess.fr>

In the same subject, i don't know how to generate an index.html. My
index.htlm is emply when a look http://www.mydomain/mailman/private/cvs-logs/


On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 01:44:33PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote :
> A side effect of doing this is that the re-generated html files are not
> necessarily referenced as they used to be.  Thus if there are other
> references to these files (such as this one:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-July/021154.html) they
> will be incorrect/invalid after a re-arch.
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Carnes
> >
> > I think this is already in the FAQ, but just in case, here is a brief run
> > through for the 2.0.x series...
> >
> > The archives are found in:
> >   ~mailman/archives/private/
> >
> > There are two subdirectories for each list:
> >
> >   .mbox:  This directory contains one file, a text based
> >         Mailbox with all the archived messages.  This file is the
> >         *real* archive.
> >
> >    : This directory contains all the manufactured Web/text
> >         files needed to display the archived messages.  The files in
> >         this directory are all generated from the Mailbox found in the
> >         other directory.
> >
> > To edit out an email,
> >   - Take mailman off-line (stopping cron is effective for this).
> >   - Goto the Mailbox containing the archive
> >   - Edit this large file and remove the offending email
> >
> >       Note: this is a large text based file containing
> >       many emails, each stacked on top of each other
> >       inside the file.  Each email starts with a line like:
> >         "From user at domain.com  Mon Mar 12 14:23 2002"
> >
> >       There will be other lines in the email that look similar
> >       and start with "From: " (note the colon instead of a space)
> >          "From: User Name "
> >       These lines are header lines inside the email.
> >
> >   - Once the offending emails are edited or removed,
> >      move the files in the current web files for the archive
> >      to a backup directory and run:
> >        ~mailman/bin/arch  
> >      This will regenerate all the HTML files used by the archive.
> >   - Bring mailman back on-line (restart cron)
> >
> > Best of luck,
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 

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From bronto at csd-bes.net  Thu Jul 18 03:32:24 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:32:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2: wrong admin & archives URL
Message-ID: 

I am using mailman 2.1b2; this is on a relatively new machine, and I 
created new instances of my existing lists on it before transfering 
all of my existing domains to the new server.  Therefore, I created 
the lists via the 'wrong' domain, and now accessing the admin 
functions and archives forwards me to that domain.  So if I go to 
http://www.rightdomain.com/mailman/listinfo/somelist and click on the 
admin link it goes to 
http://www.wrongdomain.com/mailman/admin/somelist.  Apparently this 
info is hard-coded somewhere, but I can't find it.  Can someone 
in-the-know give me a hint?

Thanks

Rob




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Jul 18 11:05:44 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:05:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN 2.0.12
In-Reply-To: <3D352F34.2020602@ti-edu.ch>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718094757.044330d8@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:47 17/07/2002 +0200, Marco Induni wrote:
>Hi all,
>I've upgraded from 2.0.8 to 2.0.12, but now I can't send email to the 
>list. The qrunner log this :
>
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122): Traceback (innermost last):
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      kids = main(lock)
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      keepqueued = 
>dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File 
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman-2.0.12/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, 
>in ParseMailCommands
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      precedence = 
>msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122): AttributeError :  'string' object has 
>no attribute 'lower'
>
>
>Any Idea ?

Its looks as if the code concerned has been written to require Python 2.0 
or later, where many of the functions in the string module became available 
as methods on string objects.

That said, the 2.0.12 README only appears to say that later Python versions 
are preferred over Python 1.5.2 rahter than saying they are required.

You probably need/want to upgrade to either Python 2.1.3 or 2.2.1 to fix 
your problem.





From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Jul 18 22:03:57 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:03:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2: wrong admin & archives URL
References: 
Message-ID: <3D371F2D.4EA80C5B@pcraft.com>

bronto wrote:

> So if I go to
> http://www.rightdomain.com/mailman/listinfo/somelist and click on the
> admin link it goes to
> http://www.wrongdomain.com/mailman/admin/somelist.  Apparently this
> info is hard-coded somewhere, but I can't find it.  Can someone
> in-the-know give me a hint?

    You should have these things set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
    If not, they're in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py

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From GILLISME at gov.ns.ca  Thu Jul 18 22:09:39 2002
From: GILLISME at gov.ns.ca (Michael Gillis)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:09:39 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error: Child process of list_transport transport returned 2
 .......
Message-ID: 

First off, apologies for posting this if this is a common problem - I could find no simple way of searching the archives. If there is a simple way could someone let mw know? Thanks.

Now, on with the problem....

I have just set up mailman 2.0.12 on a rs6000 box using Exim as the MTA. I have followed the README.EXIM and it (Exim) 
looks to be OK as the 3 configuration tests at the end of the README.EXIM all behave as expected. I have a 'test' list set up and can go in as the admin and add, remove, etc. via the web, so for the most part it looks to be working.

But, when a subscriber sends a message they get this back :

>        This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
>
>        A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>        recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
>          test at nshpl.library.ns.ca  
>            Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
>            /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

Any ideas? I know you need to be careful with UIDs and GIDs - did I mess that part up?

Many thanks,

Michael.


/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
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      Nova Scotia Provincial Library
      Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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From chris at vanoosterhout.com  Thu Jul 18 22:28:55 2002
From: chris at vanoosterhout.com (Christopher Van Oosterhout)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:28:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Hardships
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020717112430.008a0760@superkids.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718162439.04ca5520@www.vanoosterhout.com>

I am now running Python 2.2.1 and attempting to install: 2.1b2.

I run ./config ... and it seems to work ok.

I run make install and it seems to work ok.

However when I run bin/check_perms -vf from the installation directory 
(/usa/local/mailman/)  I get the following error message:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/check_perms", line 331, in ?
     checkmta()
   File "bin/check_perms", line 266, in checkmta
     __import__(modname)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Manual.py", line 23, in ?
     from Mailman import Message
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 26, in ?
     from email.Charset import Charset
ImportError: No module named Charset


Is this a Python or Mailman problem?  Any suggestions and/or instruction?


Any ideas?  I am starting to pull my hair out on this one.

Thanks,
Christopher





From bronto at csd-bes.net  Thu Jul 18 23:04:33 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:04:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2: wrong admin & archives URL
In-Reply-To: <3D371F2D.4EA80C5B@pcraft.com>
References: 
 <3D371F2D.4EA80C5B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: 

OK, something's flaky here; I'm not sure wether it's me or mailman. 
I was certain earlier yesterday that it was switching domains on me 
in administration and archives; now it's only doing it in archives.

At this point in time, it does appear that each list knows to which 
domain it belongs.  I looked in the files you referenced below and 
only found an entry for the 'default' domain, and it is correct. 
Trying to determine where this stuff is saved, I created a new list 
to see which files were being updated.  Maybe just doing that 
straightened out the admin domain problem?

In any case, there still remains a problem with archives; every one 
of my lists points to a URL for archives at wrongdomain.com.  Each 
list properly points to the correct domain in the "Host name this 
list prefers for email." field, if that makes a difference.  I think 
this must be a bug, or a programming oversight.

Also, I seemed to have accidentally discovered that you cannot create 
list names with spaces in them.  This is somewhat intuitive, but the 
create script should block this from happening.

If anyone has other ideas about the archives URL, let me know.

Rob

>bronto wrote:
>
>>  So if I go to
>>  http://www.rightdomain.com/mailman/listinfo/somelist and click on the
>>  admin link it goes to
>>  http://www.wrongdomain.com/mailman/admin/somelist.  Apparently this
>>  info is hard-coded somewhere, but I can't find it.  Can someone
>>  in-the-know give me a hint?
>
>     You should have these things set in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
>     If not, they're in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py
>
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>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>
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>
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Jul 18 23:14:13 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:14:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2: wrong admin & archives URL
References: 
	 <3D371F2D.4EA80C5B@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <3D372FA5.DFB01B77@pcraft.com>

bronto wrote:

> In any case, there still remains a problem with archives; every one
> of my lists points to a URL for archives at wrongdomain.com.  Each
> list properly points to the correct domain in the "Host name this
> list prefers for email." field, if that makes a difference.  I think
> this must be a bug, or a programming oversight.

    Did you also check that the Base URL is correct for each list?

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.







From bronto at csd-bes.net  Thu Jul 18 23:45:12 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:45:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b2: wrong admin & archives URL
In-Reply-To: <3D372FA5.DFB01B77@pcraft.com>
References: 	
 <3D371F2D.4EA80C5B@pcraft.com> 
 <3D372FA5.DFB01B77@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: 

I may be blind, but I don't see an option for "Base URL" for each 
list.  Where is it?

Rob


>bronto wrote:
>
>>  In any case, there still remains a problem with archives; every one
>>  of my lists points to a URL for archives at wrongdomain.com.  Each
>>  list properly points to the correct domain in the "Host name this
>>  list prefers for email." field, if that makes a difference.  I think
>>  this must be a bug, or a programming oversight.
>
>     Did you also check that the Base URL is correct for each list?
>
>--
>W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From silviu at genesys.ro  Tue Jul 16 17:44:45 2002
From: silviu at genesys.ro (Silviu Marin-Caea)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:44:45 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My lists stopped working
Message-ID: <3D343F6D.90802@genesys.ro>

I had mailman in SuSE 8 configured and running fine, until this morning, 
when it stopped working.

In mail logs, all appeared to be in order

Jul 15 18:47:01 mail postfix/local[4901]: B4261284115: 
to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd admin")

Jul 15 18:51:03 mail postfix/local[4982]: 7DF3028411A: 
to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent 
("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post offers")

Cron jobs were in place

mail:~ # /etc/rc.d/cron status
Checking for Cron:                                                   running
mail:~ # /etc/rc.d/mailman status
Checking for service mailman:                                        running

Yet, no mail got distributted by the list manager.  It didn't go to the 
list archives either.  They all sat in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles

In /var/lib/mailman/logs/qrunner, there was this for each new posting.

Jul 15 19:18:00 2002 (5847) Could not acquire qrunner lock

I figured it out, eventually:

The lists received a shitload of viruses from someone, and there was a 
stale lock in /var/lib/mailman/locks

I don't know if the process was dead or hung, because I have just 
removed the locks, to get the lists back in working order, quickly (they 
are important).

The virus that was received was Frethem (the one with "Your 
Password"--it has an attached .exe).  I have RAV antivirus, but it scans 
mails after the list delivers it through sendmail.

It goes like this: mail goes to mailman "wrapper", then the wrapper 
sends it by "sendmail", it gets scanned and sent forward if it's ok.  I 
use postfix as MTA.

mail:/var/log # rpm -q mailman
mailman-2.0.8-125

In case this happens again, what information do you need me to provide, 
so you can fix it?

Thanks

-- 
Silviu Marin-Caea   Systems Engineer Linux/Unix   http://www.genesys.ro
Phone +40723-267961






From PappR at informmedia.ro  Wed Jul 17 13:09:22 2002
From: PappR at informmedia.ro (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Rich=E1rd_Papp?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:09:22 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question: read only list
Message-ID: <006801c22d82$68af6a00$3de64b50@ricsiszmtgpe>

How can I set (and where) in mailman a read-only list, where only administrators can post messages to this list

thankx

Best regards
  Richard
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From AByrd at nahu.org  Wed Jul 17 16:49:47 2002
From: AByrd at nahu.org (Alan Byrd)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail bouncing
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717104401.00ab2630@mail.nahu.org>

I'm very new to mailman , we just moved over from major domo and I have no 
problems with the internal mailing lists (mail to our own domain) but I 
created a mail list and used a text file to add 270 users and it all seemed 
to go well, until I started getting bounceback messages (too many bounces , 
etc) . It appears that  mailman is having a problem with outside mail domains.

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
List: Nahunet
Member: calanbyrd at yahoo.com
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.


C. Alan Byrd, Manager, Information Systems
National Association of Health Underwriters (NAHU)
2000 North 14th Street, Ste. 450 , Arlington, VA 22201
703-276-3814, fax: 703-841-7797
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From pmk at scp.de  Wed Jul 17 18:12:22 2002
From: pmk at scp.de (Michael Keukert)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:12:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crontab problems
Message-ID: <3D35976631D.6B2DPMK@mail.scp.de>

Hi,

after installing the most recent mailman on my system - AND after
following all steps in the INSTALL as correct as possible, I keep
getting the following error messages:

> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      main()
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      process_lists(lock)
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      self.Load()
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      fp = open(dbfile)
> Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db' 

Actually the permissions of that very file vary from all other mailman
permissions:

> catbert:/home/mailman/lists/test # la
> total 48
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      4096 Jul 17 18:07 .
> drwxrwsr-x   3 mailman  mailman      4096 Jul 17 17:56 ..
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1706 Jul 17 17:56 admindbpreamble.html
> -rw-rw----   1 wwwrun   mailman      2796 Jul 17 18:07 config.db
> -rw-rw----   1 wwwrun   mailman      2796 Jul 17 18:07 config.db.last
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman       189 Jul 17 17:56 handle_opts.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1026 Jul 17 17:56 headfoot.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      3136 Jul 17 17:56 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman         0 Jul 17 17:56 next-digest
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman         0 Jul 17 17:56 next-digest-topics
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      4106 Jul 17 17:56 options.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1169 Jul 17 17:56 roster.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman       198 Jul 17 17:56 subscribe.html

Where "wwwrun" is the user under which Apache runs on my system.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

-- 
Michael Keukert * SCP Software GmbH * http://www.scp.de
Auf der Huels 120 * D-52068 Aachen * Tel: 0241-96830-0 * Fax: -50
PGP Fingerprint: A4A8 EA96 166D 736D  14E8 7D86 2784 CA16





From brandon at discontent.com  Wed Jul 17 21:44:19 2002
From: brandon at discontent.com (brandon at discontent.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:44:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing ezmlm archives into Mailman list
Message-ID: <20020717194419.643601FF27@misanthrope.discontent.com>

 Hya! Just finished settign up a list I had been runnign under ezmlm to run under Mailman. I was curious to know if there was a utility that would convert ezmlm archives into Mailman to keep the years of accumulated material around.

Thanks!
B




From holiu at indiana.edu  Thu Jul 18 00:17:05 2002
From: holiu at indiana.edu (Hongbin Liu)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:17:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie question -- installation
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

 
> I thought I just got mailman set up. I created
> a test mailing list "test" and try to subscribe
> to the list. I got confirmation number and
> reply as instructed. But I never got Welcome
> message.  View subscribers of "test" or
> running bin/list_members test gave me a blank
> page. 
> 
> I would appreciate you kind help if you can point
> out what could be wrong with my setting. 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Hongbin






From pmk at scp.de  Thu Jul 18 17:27:32 2002
From: pmk at scp.de (Michael Keukert)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:27:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web-frontend changes ownership and makes cronjobs fail
Message-ID: <3D36DE6458.6B3EPMK@mail.scp.de>

Hi,

Mailman runs under the default user/group here. I'm still using the
test-list and everything works fine as long as I don't use the
web-frontend.

As soon as I use the web-frontend, the files
/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db and .../request.db suffer from
changed ownership to user "wwwrun", which is the user my webserver runs
under.

Consequently, this maks the cronjobs fail with an error message and
everything is messed up - no processing via email or web-frontend is
possible.

I assume that this is a stupid config error from myself, but plese:
WHERE DO I LOOK?

Thanks!

-- 
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Auf der Huels 120 * D-52068 Aachen * Tel: 0241-96830-0 * Fax: -50
PGP Fingerprint: A4A8 EA96 166D 736D  14E8 7D86 2784 CA16





From Pilar.sanchez at cedex.es  Thu Jul 18 14:33:22 2002
From: Pilar.sanchez at cedex.es (Pilar Sanchez)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:33:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
Message-ID: <3D36B592.2030904@cedex.es>

    Hello
    I just installed Mailman2.0.12  and  I would like to know how to 
configure it to support virtual domains in the same installation.
    I have not  found nothing about this in the documentation
    Thanks.
    P.D. Mailman looks a great program.
   

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*******************************************
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 CEDEX
 C/ Alfonso XII n? 3 y 5
 Tel: 91 335 72 81
 Mail: pilar.sanchez at cedex.es
 http://www.cedex.es 
*******************************************






From donpearsall at attbi.com  Thu Jul 18 19:34:18 2002
From: donpearsall at attbi.com (Don Pearsall)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:34:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in use by web providers?
Message-ID: <05e201c22e81$58ac9740$6600a8c0@c612808a>

I am looking to move my list from Majordomo to Mailman. My web provider will
not run mailman, so I am looking for a web hosting service that does provide
Mailman. Do you know of any?

Thanks
Don Pearsall





From framling at sch.bme.hu  Thu Jul 18 14:57:35 2002
From: framling at sch.bme.hu ( Barton Andras)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:57:35 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] uid problem
Message-ID: 

Hello

Is there a howto, solving tha uid-gid problem?

Thanks

ANdras



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		framling

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From serkane at koc.net  Thu Jul 18 10:20:07 2002
From: serkane at koc.net (serkane at koc.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:20:07 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding new member problem
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

I have a problem adding new member to a list. I think the problem is being
occured because of subdomain. For example there is a member which email
address is serkane at koc.net in a list. Then I couldn't add user which has a
mail address of serkane at mail.koc.net. Is there any solution about this
problem?

Regards,

Serkan




From subhasis at iopb.res.in  Fri Jul 19 08:33:31 2002
From: subhasis at iopb.res.in (Subhasis Mahapatra)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:03:31 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to add more information about the users of a list
In-Reply-To: <20020718160005.925.36783.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

Hi : ALL

How can I add more information (like name, phone office place etc.) for 
the subscribers of a mailing list....

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Subhasis





From jorgefm at cirsa.com  Fri Jul 19 09:07:55 2002
From: jorgefm at cirsa.com (jorgefm at cirsa.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:07:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN 2.0.12
Message-ID: 

At 10:47 17/07/2002 +0200, Marco Induni wrote:
>Hi all,
>I've upgraded from 2.0.8 to 2.0.12, but now I can't send email to the
>list. The qrunner log this :
>
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122): Traceback (innermost last):
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      kids = main(lock)
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      keepqueued =
>dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):   File
>"/usr/local/apps/mailman-2.0.12/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123,
>in ParseMailCommands
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122):      precedence =
>msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
>Jul 17 08:02:01 2002 qrunner(12122): AttributeError :  'string' object has

>no attribute 'lower'
>
>
>Any Idea ?


Hi Marco,

There are some list messages reporting the same error.  I had the same
problem until
i reinstall the 2.0 version from the 2.0.12. Can you try the next patch
that Musfen
Hsieh reported to the list ?


At 10:46 16/07/2002, Mufen Hsieh wrote:

Modify $prefix/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py
Line 123        precedence = string.lower(msg.get('precedence', ''))
Line 124        ack = string.lower(msg.get('x-ack', ''))







From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Jul 19 10:21:22 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Jul 2002 10:21:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question: read only list
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rich=E1rd?= Papp's message of "Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:09:22 +0300"
References: <006801c22d82$68af6a00$3de64b50@ricsiszmtgpe>
Message-ID: 

Rich?rd Papp  writes:

> How can I set (and where) in mailman a read-only list, where only
> administrators can post messages to this list

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp


Please send no Cc. I answer only via the list.
Detlef Neubauer
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From techguru at multibyte.de  Fri Jul 19 12:09:42 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:09:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] several lists with one members-database?
Message-ID: <559484.1027080582@[192.168.215.120]>

Hello fellow mailmen,

is it possible to run several mailing lists on the same host with one (i. 
e. the same) member database?

Is there somebody out there who tried that?

Thanks for any hint and help.

Dirk




From chris at vanoosterhout.com  Fri Jul 19 14:01:01 2002
From: chris at vanoosterhout.com (Christopher Van Oosterhout)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:01:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named Charset Error ..
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718162439.04ca5520@www.vanoosterhout.com>
References: <3.0.6.32.20020717112430.008a0760@superkids.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719080020.0486db90@www.vanoosterhout.com>

Iam now running Python 2.2.1 and attempting to install: 2.1b2.

I run ./config ... and it seems to work ok.
I run make install and it seems to work ok.

However when I run bin/check_perms -vf from the installation directory 
(/usa/local/mailman/) I get the following error message:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "bin/check_perms", line 331, in ?
checkmta()
File "bin/check_perms", line 266, in checkmta
__import__(modname)
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Manual.py", line 23, in ?
from Mailman import Message
File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 26, in ?
from email.Charset import Charset
ImportError: No module named Charset

Is this a Python or Mailman problem? Any suggestions and/or instruction?

Any ideas? I am starting to pull my hair out on this one.





From p.heinlein at jpberlin.de  Fri Jul 19 12:41:14 2002
From: p.heinlein at jpberlin.de (Peer Heinlein)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:41:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble updating to 2.1b2
Message-ID: <200207191241.14370.p.heinlein@jpberlin.de>

I tried to Update from Mailman 2.0.12 to 2.1b2, but it seemed, that 
bin/update haven't worked properly!

Now my system is broken down and I get errors like:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 42, in main
    listinfo_overview()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 85, in 
listinfo_overview
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 101, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 574, in Load
    self.CheckValues()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 625, in CheckValues
    for name, pattern, desc, emptyflag in self.topics:
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __getattr__
    raise AttributeError, name
AttributeError: topics



When I reinstall 2.0.12 everything is working fine, except the 
admin-passwords don`t work any more. 

How can I fix the data structure and what do I have to do to fix my 
installation to use 2.1b2?

Thanks... Peer




From mir at soartech.com  Fri Jul 19 16:27:01 2002
From: mir at soartech.com (David Mir)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:27:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during 1st install
Message-ID: <200207191027.01351.mir@soartech.com>


My first question is is there a way to search the archive of mailman mailing 
list?  If so can some one send me a link it will cut down on any repetitive 
posting by me :)

As long as I'm here though my question is :

I'm running a straight RH7.3 system (updated via up2date) I am running courier 
as MTA and I have successfully added my mailman aliases etc.  I installed 
mailman via RPM (mailman-2.0.11-1) everything "seemed to install fine, and 
even the web page comes up, newlists, checkperm all work.  yet when I try to 
subscribe to a list (via web) this error pops up in the browser:
********************************************************************************
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.11

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the 
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
********************************************************************************


Mailman error log looks like this:

Jul 19 10:11:21 2002 admin(29069): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(29069): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.11 -----]
admin(29069): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(29069): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(29069):     main()
admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 76, in main
admin(29069):     process_form(mlist, doc)
admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 187, in 
process_form
admin(29069):     mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1007, in 
AddMember
admin(29069):     text)
admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in __init__
admin(29069):     OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in __init__
admin(29069):     self['Message-ID'] = Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman')
admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid
admin(29069):     idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]
admin(29069): error: host not found
admin(29069): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(29069): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Apr  3 2002, 18:16:26)  [GCC 2.96 
20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2
admin(29069): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(29069): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(29069): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(29069): sys.path       = /usr
admin(29069): sys.platform   = linux-i386
~~~~then some stuff about html (no errors though!)~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I see the "host not found" but the server's DNS works fine (including 
localhost, etc.) The mailman folder is owned by root and mailman group (it 
did complain about some perm when I first executed check perm, but I fixed 
it).

Any ideas?

Thanks

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From tlynch at primate.wisc.edu  Fri Jul 19 17:03:07 2002
From: tlynch at primate.wisc.edu (Tom Lynch)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:03:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors
Message-ID: 

I just installed Mailman on a Solaris 7 system.  Python 2.2 wouldn't build so I used an already installed version 1.5.2.  I got the following error:

Jul 17 15:42:01 2002 qrunner(15261):   File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 124, in ParseMailCommands
Jul 17 15:42:01 2002 qrunner(15261):      ack = msg.get('x-ack', '').lower()
Jul 17 15:42:01 2002 qrunner(15261): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower' 

I hacked the code and removed ".lower()"  which seemed to help.  Is this error due to my using the older version of Python?  What problems can I expect due to the "hack"?

Thanks,

Tom




From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 19 17:22:21 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:22:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possibe to get List report for find the dead list
Message-ID: <20020719152221.47541.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi ,

I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 on Solaris 2.7
with sendmail as MTA, and want to findout  is it
possible to get the no of lists at the site and there
usage by number of messages sent to the group,

    This will be helpfull for finding out the dead
list, if the list is not used , i can delete the list,
i have around 200 lists right now, 

If some one has some script or link for some info will
be helpfull,

Thanks in advance,
Sunny

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From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Fri Jul 19 18:16:12 2002
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: 19 Jul 2002 09:16:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during 1st install
In-Reply-To: <200207191027.01351.mir@soartech.com>
References: <200207191027.01351.mir@soartech.com>
Message-ID: <1027095373.5516.316.camel@galileo.carola.lan>

On Fri, 2002-07-19 at 07:27, David Mir wrote:
> My first question is is there a way to search the archive of mailman mailing 
> list?  If so can some one send me a link it will cut down on any repetitive 
> posting by me :)

David,
There is a search-able archive at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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From tmiller at nethawk.com  Fri Jul 19 19:19:01 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:19:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New List Default
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719131513.00b148f8@mail.nethawk.com>

I've looked for information that tells me where or how to set defaults for new lists when they are created in v2.08.  I would like to change some of them but alas, I don't know how or where to find the file to edit.

Can someone fill me in on this?

Tim





From TFarid at riedc.com  Fri Jul 19 19:21:15 2002
From: TFarid at riedc.com (Farid, Tarek)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requests to lists not working
Message-ID: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD00119C5@prexch01.riedc.com>

Hello,

 

I am having a problem with sending subscribe/unsubscribe requests to my
lists on mailman 2.0.8 running on RH 7.2. The requests do not bounce but
do not perform any operations. Does anyone know what might be the cause
of this symptom or where to look for troubleshooting the problem?
Thanks.

 

 

 

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From ryanwhammond2 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 19 21:01:49 2002
From: ryanwhammond2 at hotmail.com (Ryan Hammond)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:01:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crontab problems
Message-ID: 

Wow, what luck. I solved this problem on my own system just today. ;P
You have quite a few options presented to you, depending on your system 
setup.
What I ended up doing was just changing the user apache runs under. Quick, 
easy, one file to change. Just jed /etc/apache/httpd.conf and somewhere in 
the "Main" configuration, there are 2 lines of User ____ and Group ____. 
(These lines were numbered 292 and 293 for me, just under the port)
I just changed User to mailman, and with my system setup, thats worked fine.
After you change the line, you need to run: apachectl restart to makeit load 
the CGI properly. **NOTE!!!* I had no need to, and you probably have no need 
to change the GROUP that apache runs under. It caused problems for me and 
might for you too.
Also, depending on your mailman install, you may not have given wrapper 
access to it under those names, so you could have to tinker with Defaults.py 
or recompiling to get everything in line.


The reason your file changes ownership is because Mailman is doing a very 
silly thing. Every time it updates the config.db file (which I believe is 
what holds ALL list configuration, members, etc) it renames the current 
config.db to config.db.old and then makes a NEW config.db file. Because it 
creates a new one, whatever program you're running that altered the list, be 
it apache, console, Zope, or whatever else you've got lying around, its 
gunna change the owner to whatever user that runs under.

Because anything that alters it is going to take ownership of it, you can 
either force other programs to run as whatever user / group mailman is 
under, or you can recompile mailman to be able to read those users/groups 
files as well, with the set-group-id, set-cgi-id or whatever functions that 
are mentioned on www.list.org's installation page.(I didn't try that, so if 
you do, I couldn't help you) Tinker and good luck.
>From: Michael Keukert 
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crontab problems
>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:12:22 +0200
>
>Hi,
>
>after installing the most recent mailman on my system - AND after
>following all steps in the INSTALL as correct as possible, I keep
>getting the following error messages:
>
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727): Traceback (most recent call 
>last):
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File 
>"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      main()
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File 
>"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      process_lists(lock)
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File 
>"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      mlist = 
>MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File 
>"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      self.Load()
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File 
>"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      dict, e = 
>self.__load(dbfile)
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):   File 
>"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727):      fp = open(dbfile)
> > Jul 17 18:10:02 2002 gate_news(28727): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
>denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
>
>Actually the permissions of that very file vary from all other mailman
>permissions:
>
> > catbert:/home/mailman/lists/test # la
> > total 48
> > drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      4096 Jul 17 18:07 .
> > drwxrwsr-x   3 mailman  mailman      4096 Jul 17 17:56 ..
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1706 Jul 17 17:56 
>admindbpreamble.html
> > -rw-rw----   1 wwwrun   mailman      2796 Jul 17 18:07 config.db
> > -rw-rw----   1 wwwrun   mailman      2796 Jul 17 18:07 config.db.last
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman       189 Jul 17 17:56 handle_opts.html
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1026 Jul 17 17:56 headfoot.html
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      3136 Jul 17 17:56 listinfo.html
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman         0 Jul 17 17:56 next-digest
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman         0 Jul 17 17:56 
>next-digest-topics
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      4106 Jul 17 17:56 options.html
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman      1169 Jul 17 17:56 roster.html
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman       198 Jul 17 17:56 subscribe.html
>
>Where "wwwrun" is the user under which Apache runs on my system.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks!
>
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From canario.joe at teleline.es  Sat Jul 20 03:54:59 2002
From: canario.joe at teleline.es (CJoe)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:54:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Mandrake/virus problems
In-Reply-To: <20020719160006.29519.60658.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020719160006.29519.60658.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <19152546948.20020720025459@teleline.es>

Dear all,

We run a 2000+ peers forum on a Mandrake+Mailman server.

Recently, we have had the following problems:

? Worm type viruses are sent in the digest;

and

? as attachments.


Questions:

?  How  can  I  disable  attachments  in  Mailman  (so  that  all
attachments  are  sent  directly  to Trash and only text contents
(plain ASCII) is distributed ?

?  Is  there any good antivirus alternative for Mandrake (we need
some antivirus which checks both incoming and outgoing traffic).

Please advice asap.

I  am  on  digest  mode,  please,  send  a  copy  of  your reply,
privately, as well.

Thank you all.


canario.joe at teleline.es
___





From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Jul 20 04:00:19 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:00:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Mandrake/virus problems 
In-Reply-To: Message from CJoe  
   of "Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:54:59 BST." <19152546948.20020720025459@teleline.es> 
References: <20020719160006.29519.60658.Mailman@mail.python.org>  <19152546948.20020720025459@teleline.es> 
Message-ID: <8370.1027130419@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:54:59 +0100 
canario joe  wrote:

> ? How can I disable attachments in Mailman (so that all attachments
> are sent directly to Trash and only text contents (plain ASCII) is
> distributed ?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ:

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From PH792802 at ntu.edu.sg  Sun Jul 21 07:16:26 2002
From: PH792802 at ntu.edu.sg (#KAPIL SHARMA#)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:16:26 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Emails disappear without a trace
Message-ID: <3D565922795545468AE3E3DA2881BEA9C970B1@mail01.student.main.ntu.edu.sg>

Hello Everyone,
 
I am new to Mailman so I hope you will bear with me if you find my questions rather basic. 
 
I have followed all the instructions and have installed Mailman with the option: 
./configure --prefix=/var/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=apache

The website for the "test" list works fine and when I subscribe, I do get a confirmation email. However, when I reply to this email, absolutely nothing happens. I am also unable to post anything to the "test" mailing list.
 
I have done everything suggested on the FAQs. The cronjob entries look ok. I have added aliases to Sendmail. The only error I can find is in the file /vars/mailman/logs/errors. It has this message that repeats every two minutes:
 
--------------------
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'
---------------------
 
Can anyone please tell me what I am doing wrong?
 
Thanks,

From ashley at pcraft.com  Sun Jul 21 08:01:36 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 00:01:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Emails disappear without a trace
References: <3D565922795545468AE3E3DA2881BEA9C970B1@mail01.student.main.ntu.edu.sg>
Message-ID: <3D3A4E3F.619D69DD@pcraft.com>

#KAPIL SHARMA# wrote:

> --------------------
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734): Traceback (innermost last):
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      kids = main(lock)
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
> Jul 21 13:13:01 2002 qrunner(21734): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'
> ---------------------

    I encountered this same exact problem after installing 2.0.12 fresh.  I ended up dropping back to 2.0.11 which works.

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From PH792802 at ntu.edu.sg  Sun Jul 21 08:32:02 2002
From: PH792802 at ntu.edu.sg (#KAPIL SHARMA#)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:32:02 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Emails disappear without a trace
Message-ID: <3D565922795545468AE3E3DA2881BEA9C970B6@mail01.student.main.ntu.edu.sg>

Hi Ashley,
 
That worked!!! Yes there is something about installing 2.0.12 fresh that causes this weird problem. 2.0.11 works like a charm.
 
I had been so frustrated over the last 2 days trying to solve this problem. You made it really easy :) 
 
Cheers,
-Kapil-

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com] 
	Sent: Sun 21/07/2002 14:01 
	To: mailman-users at python.org 
	Cc: 
	Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Emails disappear without a trace
	
	

	
	 I encountered this same exact problem after installing 2.0.12 fresh.  I ended up dropping back to 2.0.11 which works.


From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jul 22 09:57:37 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 22 Jul 2002 09:57:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New List Default
In-Reply-To: Tim Miller's message of "Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:19:01 -0400"
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020719131513.00b148f8@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: 

Tim Miller  writes:

> I've looked for information that tells me where or how to set
> defaults for new lists when they are created in v2.08.  I would like
> to change some of them but alas, I don't know how or where to find
> the file to edit.

Take a look at $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/Defaults.py and make your changes
in $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

Please send no Cc. I answer only via the list.
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From techguru at multibyte.de  Mon Jul 22 10:33:33 2002
From: techguru at multibyte.de (Dirk H. Schulz)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:33:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman resending message again and again
Message-ID: <521616.1027334013@[192.168.215.120]>

Hi there,

I am running a few lists for quite a while. Now I have a weird problem with 
one of the lists: I sent one message to it, and ist started sending the 
message again and again.
It seems that the programm "trivial-rewrite" is active just before the next 
round of sending the message to all members begins.
But I cannot find any flaw in the subscribed addresses (like % or !).

Any hint or help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Dirk




From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 22 12:10:02 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding a non-active list ---reposting
In-Reply-To: <20020719152221.47541.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020722101002.53933.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi ,
 I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 on Solaris 2.7
 with sendmail as MTA, and want to findout  is it
 possible to get the no of lists at the site and
 there
 usage by number of messages sent to the group,
 
    This will be helpful for finding out the dead
 list, if the list is not used , i can delete the
 list,
 i have around 200 lists right now, 
 
 If some one has some script or link for some info
 will
 be helpful,
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Sunny


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From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 22 12:10:02 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding a non-active list ---reposting
In-Reply-To: <20020719152221.47541.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020722101002.53933.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi ,
 I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 on Solaris 2.7
 with sendmail as MTA, and want to findout  is it
 possible to get the no of lists at the site and
 there
 usage by number of messages sent to the group,
 
    This will be helpful for finding out the dead
 list, if the list is not used , i can delete the
 list,
 i have around 200 lists right now, 
 
 If some one has some script or link for some info
 will
 be helpful,
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Sunny


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jul 22 12:32:58 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 22 Jul 2002 12:32:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman resending message again and again
In-Reply-To: "Dirk H. Schulz"'s message of "Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:33:33 +0200"
References: <521616.1027334013@[192.168.215.120]>
Message-ID: 

"Dirk H. Schulz"  writes:

> I am running a few lists for quite a while. Now I have a weird problem
> with one of the lists: I sent one message to it, and ist started
> sending the message again and again.
> 
> It seems that the programm "trivial-rewrite" is active just before the
> next round of sending the message to all members begins.

Tivial-rewrite is a part of postfix MTA. Take a look into the postfix
logs.


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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Jul 22 14:30:45 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:30:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding a non-active list ---reposting
In-Reply-To: <20020722101002.53933.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020722101002.53933.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200207221230.g6MCUgH02046@salsa.haht.com>

Look in ~mailman/logs.  You should be rotating these logs - check to make 
sure you are.  Also, a few of us have written scripts which automatically 
email us various stats for the lists.  You can check the archives for your 
favorites.

Jon Carnes
===
On Monday 22 July 2002 06:10 am, sunny wrote:
>  Hi ,
>  I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 on Solaris 2.7
>  with sendmail as MTA, and want to findout  is it
>  possible to get the no of lists at the site and
>  there
>  usage by number of messages sent to the group,
>
>     This will be helpful for finding out the dead
>  list, if the list is not used , i can delete the
>  list,
>  i have around 200 lists right now,
>
>  If some one has some script or link for some info
>  will
>  be helpful,
>
>  Thanks in advance,
>  Sunny
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
> http://health.yahoo.com
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From TFarid at riedc.com  Mon Jul 22 15:18:21 2002
From: TFarid at riedc.com (Farid, Tarek)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:18:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requests to lists not working
Message-ID: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD04255E6@prexch01.riedc.com>

Hello,
 
I am having a problem with sending subscribe/unsubscribe requests to my
lists on mailman 2.0.8 running on RH 7.2. The requests do not bounce but
do not perform any operations. Does anyone know what might be the cause
of this symptom or where to look for troubleshooting the problem?
Thanks.
 
 
 
 TF
 




From minter at lunenburg.org  Mon Jul 22 16:14:04 2002
From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:14:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors
Message-ID: <20020722101251.F62969-100000@bunning.skiltech.com>

This weekend, my error logs started filling up with this error:

Jul 20 16:12:01 2002 (80580) Delivery exception: EOF read where object
expected
Jul 20 16:12:01 2002 (80580) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 159, in process
    hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NotExplicitlyAllowed)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in
hold_for_approval
    mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage
    self.__opendb()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Any idea what's going on?  I upgraded my python installation to 2.1, and
re-upgraded mailman to 2.0.12, which may be the cause.

--Wade

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jul 22 16:41:05 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 22 Jul 2002 16:41:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requests to lists not working
In-Reply-To: "Farid, Tarek"'s message of "Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:18:21 -0400"
References: <805307277B0E8448AA8E6EF02C4DADD04255E6@prexch01.riedc.com>
Message-ID: 

"Farid, Tarek"  writes:

> I am having a problem with sending subscribe/unsubscribe requests to my
> lists on mailman 2.0.8 running on RH 7.2. The requests do not bounce but
> do not perform any operations. Does anyone know what might be the cause
> of this symptom or where to look for troubleshooting the problem?

Send relvant parts of your logs.


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From sanderson at ecalton.com  Mon Jul 22 19:51:34 2002
From: sanderson at ecalton.com (Shannon M. Anderson)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:51:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting the footer
Message-ID: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F02110B4@ec-mail.ecalton.com>

I have been using Mailman for a while now for different lists I run. I am having a time getting mailman to set a footer at the end of the mails it sends out. I have in both regular and digest member areas a simple footer set (using strait text) but when I post to list No footers show up.
Am I missing some thing that activates this option?
 
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MIS
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From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Mon Jul 22 20:07:27 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:07:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting the footer
In-Reply-To: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F02110B4@ec-mail.ecalton.com
 >
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020722110106.00a57730@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 10:51 AM 7/22/02, Shannon M. Anderson wrote:
>I have been using Mailman for a while now for different lists I run. I am having a time getting mailman to set a footer at the end of the mails it sends out. I have in both regular and digest member areas a simple footer set (using strait text) but when I post to list No footers show up.
>Am I missing some thing that activates this option?

The only time I've seen this behavior is when someone posts a MIME message (in HTML or whatever) to a list. Then the footer gets dropped because it occurs after the final MIME boundary.

Try sending a message explicitly in plain text only and see whether the footer reappears. If it doesn't, something more serious is wrong.

- Bob





From wheakory at isu.edu  Mon Jul 22 21:07:36 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:07:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.12 error
Message-ID: <3D3C57F8.3AA430B5@isu.edu>

I keep receiving this error when messages are sent to my lists.
I'm running Red Hat 7.2  mailman 2.0.12. Does anyone know the solution?

Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
ParseMailCommands
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056):      precedence =
msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 20 12:02:00 2002 qrunner(18056): AttributeError :  'string' object
has no attribute 'lower'
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):   File
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in
ParseMailCommands
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059):      precedence =
msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 20 12:03:00 2002 qrunner(18059): AttributeError :  'string' object
has no attribute 'lower'
Jul 20 12:04:06 2002 qrunner(18066): Traceback (innermost last):


Kory Wheatley






From c5mech83 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 22 21:31:27 2002
From: c5mech83 at hotmail.com (Tim Edwards)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:31:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I unsubscribe a user
Message-ID: 

I am new to administering our list and need to remove a couple of people. I 
had not bin able to figure this out. Could someone please point me in the 
right direction..

Thanks.

Tim




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From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Jul 22 21:35:38 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: 22 Jul 2002 14:35:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I unsubscribe a user
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1027366538.415.23.camel@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

On Mon, 2002-07-22 at 14:31, Tim Edwards wrote:
> I am new to administering our list and need to remove a couple of people. I 
> had not bin able to figure this out. Could someone please point me in the 
> right direction..
on the members page, uncheck the subscr column for those you wish to
kill.


-- 
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From c5mech83 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 22 21:41:56 2002
From: c5mech83 at hotmail.com (Tim Edwards)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I unsubscribe a user
Message-ID: 

Thanks.

The simplest way is always the best solution...

Tim

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From richter at jakota.de  Tue Jul 23 12:19:25 2002
From: richter at jakota.de (Felix Richter)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:19:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Debug message - how to switch off
Message-ID: <29CA1FAD385C1740A317235419B3FD1202BEA2@chefkoch.jakota.de>

Hello all,

we switched to Mailman 2.1b2 recently because we need multi language support. Now every mail message to the listname-request address seems to issue a sort of debug message coming from the listname-bounce address in addition to listname-request's replies, like this:

	The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is 	your original message.

	- Results:
    		A confirmation email has been sent separately.

	- Done.

How do I switch these off?

Regards,
	Felix Richter




From mlecza at newnetco.com  Tue Jul 23 15:38:10 2002
From: mlecza at newnetco.com (Mike Lecza)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:38:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Warning: Unrecognized character set: utf-8
Message-ID: <002901c2324e$2f4cb7b0$2f01010a@lexlaptop>

The other day I started getting this error message emailed to me from
MailMan after a few people posted messages to the system:
 
Warning: Unrecognized character set: utf-8
 
The Subject on the email is:
Cron  /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
 
Anyone know what might be causing this or how I can debug?
 
Using Mailman 2.0.10 on RedHat 7.2
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From paulmarshll at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 23 15:17:03 2002
From: paulmarshll at hotmail.com (Paul Marshall)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:17:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] opening holes by changing permissions?
Message-ID: 

I was having problems adding a list in Mailman 2.1beta
via the web interface, it was giving me an error regarding
permissions to the mailman/data/aliases.db file.

This is the error I got:

...
File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 46, in
_update_maps
raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr)
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias
/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not
permitted)


To fix this I changed the permissions on this file so
apache could write to it.

chmod a+w aliases.db

This did fix the problem of creating and deleting lists via
the web interface.

Does anyone know if this would open up any security
holes?

Is there another way to fix the permissions problem that
is more logical?

Thanks for your help.

Paul Marshall

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From cozy_neptune at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 23 10:04:53 2002
From: cozy_neptune at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?yuli?=)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:04:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #2125 - 9 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20020722160004.20531.92306.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020723080453.32534.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com>


 
  mailman-users-request at python.org wrote: Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
mailman-users at python.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
mailman-users-request at python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
mailman-users-admin at python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."

Today's Topics:

1. Re: New List Default (Detlef Neubauer)
2. mailman resending message again and again (Dirk H. Schulz)
3. Finding a non-active list ---reposting (sunny)
4. Finding a non-active list ---reposting (sunny)
5. Re: mailman resending message again and again (Detlef Neubauer)
6. Re: Finding a non-active list ---reposting (Jon Carnes)
7. Requests to lists not working (Farid, Tarek)
8. Errors (H. Wade Minter)
9. Re: Requests to lists not working (Detlef Neubauer)
> ATTACHMENT part 3.1 message/rfc822 To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] New List Default
From: Detlef Neubauer 
Date: 22 Jul 2002 09:57:37 +0200

Tim Miller writes:

> I've looked for information that tells me where or how to set
> defaults for new lists when they are created in v2.08. I would like
> to change some of them but alas, I don't know how or where to find
> the file to edit.

Take a look at $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/Defaults.py and make your changes
in $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

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> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:33:33 +0200
From: "Dirk H. Schulz" 
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman resending message again and again

Hi there,

I am running a few lists for quite a while. Now I have a weird problem with 
one of the lists: I sent one message to it, and ist started sending the 
message again and again.
It seems that the programm "trivial-rewrite" is active just before the next 
round of sending the message to all members begins.
But I cannot find any flaw in the subscribed addresses (like % or !).

Any hint or help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Dirk


> ATTACHMENT part 3.3 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: sunny 
To: sunny , mailman-users at python.org
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding a non-active list ---reposting


Hi ,
I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 on Solaris 2.7
with sendmail as MTA, and want to findout is it
possible to get the no of lists at the site and
there
usage by number of messages sent to the group,

This will be helpful for finding out the dead
list, if the list is not used , i can delete the
list,
i have around 200 lists right now, 

If some one has some script or link for some info
will
be helpful,

Thanks in advance,
Sunny


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> ATTACHMENT part 3.4 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: sunny 
To: sunny , mailman-users at python.org
CC: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Finding a non-active list ---reposting


Hi ,
I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 on Solaris 2.7
with sendmail as MTA, and want to findout is it
possible to get the no of lists at the site and
there
usage by number of messages sent to the group,

This will be helpful for finding out the dead
list, if the list is not used , i can delete the
list,
i have around 200 lists right now, 

If some one has some script or link for some info
will
be helpful,

Thanks in advance,
Sunny


__________________________________________________
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Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
http://health.yahoo.com


> ATTACHMENT part 3.5 message/rfc822 To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman resending message again and again
From: Detlef Neubauer 
Date: 22 Jul 2002 12:32:58 +0200

"Dirk H. Schulz" writes:

> I am running a few lists for quite a while. Now I have a weird problem
> with one of the lists: I sent one message to it, and ist started
> sending the message again and again.
> 
> It seems that the programm "trivial-rewrite" is active just before the
> next round of sending the message to all members begins.

Tivial-rewrite is a part of postfix MTA. Take a look into the postfix
logs.


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> ATTACHMENT part 3.6 message/rfc822 From: Jon Carnes 
To: sunny 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Finding a non-active list ---reposting
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:30:45 -0400
CC: mailman-users at python.org

Look in ~mailman/logs. You should be rotating these logs - check to make 
sure you are. Also, a few of us have written scripts which automatically 
email us various stats for the lists. You can check the archives for your 
favorites.

Jon Carnes
===
On Monday 22 July 2002 06:10 am, sunny wrote:
> Hi ,
> I am running Mailman version 2.0.10 on Solaris 2.7
> with sendmail as MTA, and want to findout is it
> possible to get the no of lists at the site and
> there
> usage by number of messages sent to the group,
>
> This will be helpful for finding out the dead
> list, if the list is not used , i can delete the
> list,
> i have around 200 lists right now,
>
> If some one has some script or link for some info
> will
> be helpful,
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Sunny
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better
> http://health.yahoo.com
>
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> ATTACHMENT part 3.7 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:18:21 -0400
From: "Farid, Tarek" 
To: 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Requests to lists not working

Hello,

I am having a problem with sending subscribe/unsubscribe requests to my
lists on mailman 2.0.8 running on RH 7.2. The requests do not bounce but
do not perform any operations. Does anyone know what might be the cause
of this symptom or where to look for troubleshooting the problem?
Thanks.



TF



> ATTACHMENT part 3.8 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:14:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "H. Wade Minter" 
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors

This weekend, my error logs started filling up with this error:

Jul 20 16:12:01 2002 (80580) Delivery exception: EOF read where object
expected
Jul 20 16:12:01 2002 (80580) Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 159, in process
hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, NotExplicitlyAllowed)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in
hold_for_approval
mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage
self.__opendb()
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Any idea what's going on? I upgraded my python installation to 2.1, and
re-upgraded mailman to 2.0.12, which may be the cause.

--Wade

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> ATTACHMENT part 3.9 message/rfc822 To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Requests to lists not working
From: Detlef Neubauer 
Date: 22 Jul 2002 16:41:05 +0200

"Farid, Tarek" writes:

> I am having a problem with sending subscribe/unsubscribe requests to my
> lists on mailman 2.0.8 running on RH 7.2. The requests do not bounce but
> do not perform any operations. Does anyone know what might be the cause
> of this symptom or where to look for troubleshooting the problem?

Send relvant parts of your logs.


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From eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu  Tue Jul 23 15:54:40 2002
From: eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu (eluhrs at ausar.rutgers.edu)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:54:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman modifications
Message-ID: 

Mailman users:

I would like to use Mailman for our lists, but to do so, I will require
one modification.  I am wondering 1) if the change will be difficult to
make, and 2) if anyone else has done it.

What we need is the addition of first and last name records for all of our
members.  We already have text files in the following format:

	joeuser at somehost.com (Joe User)
	janeuser at somehost.com (Jane User)

I know I can import these address minus the parenthetical information, but
for us, that is very important.  So I'm looking for a way to make Mailman
include the names in it's database, and also, if possible, show this
information on the "Membership Management" page.  This will allow for easy
associations between names and email addresses--something that is very
important for our organization.

How difficult will this be to accomplish?


Eric





From sanderson at ecalton.com  Tue Jul 23 18:41:51 2002
From: sanderson at ecalton.com (Shannon M. Anderson)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:41:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing how footer is written when non text messages are sent to list
Message-ID: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F02110BA@ec-mail.ecalton.com>

First off Thanks Bob Weissman [rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net] for the answer to my first question. (Why footer is not showing up in outbound mail).
 
Now we use Mailman to send emails out from our Cold fusion servers for different clients that want a automated list system and it works very well for this, But of course they want email formatted as they send it and do not want to use a template that has footer already in it. So my question is can we get Mailman to adjust a MIME message and apply the footer on it?
 
 
Shannon M. Anderson
MIS
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From wheakory at isu.edu  Tue Jul 23 19:07:42 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:07:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.12 error
Message-ID: <3D3D8D5E.8000708@isu.edu>

This is very critical I get this fixed, I'm running 150 production
mailing lists, here's my problem.

I keep receiving this below error when messages are sent to my lists.
I'm running Red Hat 7.2  mailman 2.0.12. Does anyone know the solution? If    
I take them out of the qfiles directory and then put a few in at a time then the messages are sent rather than piling up in the qfiles directory and setting there idle. I've had this problem the day after I upgraded to mailman 2.0.12 from mailman 2.0.11, is there a patch fix.

qrunner(18056): Traceback (innermost last):
qrunner(18056):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
"/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
qrunner(18056):      kids = main(lock)
qrunner(18056):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
qrunner(18056):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
qrunner(18056):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
qrunner(18056):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
qrunner(18056):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
qrunner(18056):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
qrunner(18056): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'

qrunner(18059): Traceback (innermost last):
qrunner(18059):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
qrunner(18059):      kids = main(lock)
qrunner(18059):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
qrunner(18059):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
qrunner(18059):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
qrunner(18059):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
qrunner(18059):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
qrunner(18059):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
qrunner(18059): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'
qrunner(18066): Traceback (innermost last):


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From barry at python.org  Tue Jul 23 19:19:46 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:19:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.0.12 error
References: <3D3D8D5E.8000708@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <15677.36914.471864.937888@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley  writes:

    KW> This is very critical I get this fixed, I'm running 150
    KW> production mailing lists, here's my problem.

Apply the following patch.

Mailman 2.0.12 had compatibility issues with Python 1.5.2.  Later
today I will post a candidate patch for 2.0.13 to fix this and one or
two other small issues.

-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
Index: MailCommandHandler.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Attic/MailCommandHandler.py,v
retrieving revision 1.70.2.1
retrieving revision 1.70.2.2
diff -u -r1.70.2.1 -r1.70.2.2
--- MailCommandHandler.py	2 Jul 2002 16:33:23 -0000	1.70.2.1
+++ MailCommandHandler.py	11 Jul 2002 21:19:34 -0000	1.70.2.2
@@ -120,8 +120,8 @@
         # of these clues, so there's little we can do to break loops in that
         # case, except throttle the number of responses sent to any one
         # requester in a day.  That's a job for MM2.1.
-        precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
-        ack = msg.get('x-ack', '').lower()
+        precedence = string.lower(msg.get('precedence', ''))
+        ack = string.lower(msg.get('x-ack', ''))
         beenthere = msg.get('x-beenthere', '')
         listid = msg.get('list-id', '')
         if (precedence in ('bulk', 'list', 'junk') or




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Jul 23 20:12:10 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:12:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.0.12 error
References: <3D3D8D5E.8000708@isu.edu> <15677.36914.471864.937888@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3D3D9C7A.3CF93599@whidbey.com>

I believe I was the first to report the problem last week, and I felt a certain
relief as other reported it since - I had already been through the fire. Alas, it
bit me again yesterday and one client was fuming this morning because a
time-sensitive message didn't get delivered.

I started pulling things out of /home/mailman/qfiles and putting them back in,
and I note that all three messages that stop the queue contained "confirm"
followed by a six digit number.

I didn't notice whether they were requests to confirm a new subscription, or
replies to them. For the first couple I just noted the address in question and
wrote it down for manual followup, then deleted the message. On the third message
I thought to look more closely, and it was a reply to a request to confirm.

Hope that helps with fixing the problem.

Van

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:

> >>>>> "KW" == Kory Wheatley  writes:
>
>     KW> This is very critical I get this fixed, I'm running 150
>     KW> production mailing lists, here's my problem.
>
> Apply the following patch.
>
> Mailman 2.0.12 had compatibility issues with Python 1.5.2.  Later
> today I will post a candidate patch for 2.0.13 to fix this and one or
> two other small issues.
>
> -Barry
>
> -------------------- snip snip --------------------
> Index: MailCommandHandler.py
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Attic/MailCommandHandler.py,v
> retrieving revision 1.70.2.1
> retrieving revision 1.70.2.2
> diff -u -r1.70.2.1 -r1.70.2.2
> --- MailCommandHandler.py       2 Jul 2002 16:33:23 -0000       1.70.2.1
> +++ MailCommandHandler.py       11 Jul 2002 21:19:34 -0000      1.70.2.2
> @@ -120,8 +120,8 @@
>          # of these clues, so there's little we can do to break loops in that
>          # case, except throttle the number of responses sent to any one
>          # requester in a day.  That's a job for MM2.1.
> -        precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
> -        ack = msg.get('x-ack', '').lower()
> +        precedence = string.lower(msg.get('precedence', ''))
> +        ack = string.lower(msg.get('x-ack', ''))
>          beenthere = msg.get('x-beenthere', '')
>          listid = msg.get('list-id', '')
>          if (precedence in ('bulk', 'list', 'junk') or
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From arif at welfarelaw.org  Tue Jul 23 21:38:57 2002
From: arif at welfarelaw.org (Arif Mamdani)
Date: 23 Jul 2002 14:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strip out and archive attachments?
Message-ID: <1027453138.1792.77.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hey folks, I've got a problem that I can't quite seem to work out.

On the lists that we're hosting (RH 7.2 w/Postfix as the MTA), we've
been seeing an increasing number of attachments, and we'd like to start
stripping all attachments -- especially the ones that are most likely
virii :)

But -- and here's where the problem I'm having lies -- we'd like to be
able to archive the attachments so that they're still accessible, but
each user has the option of going to the list archive to download them,
instead of having it forced on them.  

Stripping out the attachments looks relatively straightforward from what
I've read, but archiving the stripped out attachments if really making
me bang my head against the wall.  If I were willing to switch to
Sendmail as our MTA, I could use MIMEDefang, but I can't see anywhere
near a good reason to give up Postfix for Sendmail, so that's out of the
question.  I've looked at external archivers, but the issue, from what I
can tell doesn't so much seem to be the archiving as much as it is the
stripping out of the attachments and passing that attachment to the
archiver.

I'm hoping that someone on list might be able to point in the right
direction toward getting this worked out.

thanks
-arif
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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jul 23 22:30:24 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:30:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing how footer is written when non text messages are sent to list 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Shannon M. Anderson"  
   of "Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:41:51 EDT." <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F02110BA@ec-mail.ecalton.com> 
References: <166089B82A247D43837617D3C11B32F02110BA@ec-mail.ecalton.com> 
Message-ID: <12021.1027456224@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:41:51 -0400 
Shannon M Anderson  wrote:

> First off Thanks Bob Weissman [rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net] for the answer to
> my first question. (Why footer is not showing up in outbound mail).
> Now we use Mailman to send emails out from our Cold fusion servers for
> different clients that want a automated list system and it works very
> well for this, But of course they want email formatted as they send it
> and do not want to use a template that has footer already in it. So my
> question is can we get Mailman to adjust a MIME message and apply the
> footer on it?

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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From mir at soartech.com  Tue Jul 23 23:21:11 2002
From: mir at soartech.com (David Mir)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:21:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during 1st install
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020819164434.030b7178@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020819164434.030b7178@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200207231721.11468.mir@soartech.com>

Thanks all I needed to do was set up reverse lookup and it works now but now 
when sending mail to my news group I get this back from the mail server:

<<< Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to take 
501?)

I know the FAQ says to recompile with the --cgi-gid and some other flag (I 
forget right now) but I installed this VIA RPM on a 7.3 system.  To be 
consistent(RPM only system) I would rather not recompile, is there anyway to 
change this in the config files?

Thanks!


On Monday 19 August 2002 12:04 pm, Richard Barrett wrote:
> At 10:27 19/07/2002 -0400, David Mir wrote:
>
> Your problem isn't essentially a Mailman one and is probably not a Python
> one either. The Python socket module is only a thin layer over the standard
> UNIX socket library.
>
> You are being told that the DNS on the machine is failing to resolve the
> hostname of the machine.
>
> You can try running python from the command line and calling the socket
> functions and see what you get. For instance on my laptop system I get:
>
> barrett at wickwar:~ > hostname
> wickwar
> barrett at wickwar:~ > python
> Python 2.1 (#1, May 16 2001, 03:35:09)
> [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on linux2
> Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>
>  >>> import socket
>  >>> socket.gethostname()
>
> 'wickwar'
>
>  >>> socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())
>
> ('wickwar.ftel.co.uk', ['wickwar'], ['172.16.5.70'])
>
>  >>> socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0]
>
> 'wickwar.ftel.co.uk'
>
> If in contrast I said (referring to a non-existent host):
>  >>> socket.gethostbyaddr('wackwar')
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "", line 1, in ?
> socket.error: host not found
>
>
> You could also try the following from the command line to see if the DNS
> can look up the hostname:
>
> hostname | xargs nslookup
> Server:  your.dns.server.name
> Address:  your dns.server.ip
>
> Name:    wickwar.ftel.co.uk
> Address:  172.16.5.70
>
>
> If when you try this you do not get plausible results that fit with what
> you believe your system config is then you need to look at the networking
> related configuration of your machine.
>
> >My first question is is there a way to search the archive of mailman
> > mailing list?  If so can some one send me a link it will cut down on any
> > repetitive posting by me :)
> >
> >As long as I'm here though my question is :
> >
> >I'm running a straight RH7.3 system (updated via up2date) I am running
> >courier
> >as MTA and I have successfully added my mailman aliases etc.  I installed
> >mailman via RPM (mailman-2.0.11-1) everything "seemed to install fine, and
> >even the web page comes up, newlists, checkperm all work.  yet when I try
> > to subscribe to a list (via web) this error pops up in the browser:
> >**************************************************************************
> >****** Bug in Mailman version 2.0.11
> >
> >We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> >
> >Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> >traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
> > the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
> >**************************************************************************
> >******
> >
> >
> >Mailman error log looks like this:
> >
> >Jul 19 10:11:21 2002 admin(29069):
> >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> >admin(29069): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.11 -----]
> >admin(29069): [----- Traceback ------]
> >admin(29069): Traceback (innermost last):
> >admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> >admin(29069):     main()
> >admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 76, in
> > main admin(29069):     process_form(mlist, doc)
> >admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 187, in
> >process_form
> >admin(29069):     mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
> >admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1007, in
> >AddMember
> >admin(29069):     text)
> >admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 211, in
> > __init__ admin(29069):     OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
> >admin(29069):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 205, in
> > __init__ admin(29069):     self['Message-ID'] =
> > Utils.make_msgid(idstring='Mailman') admin(29069):   File
> > "/var/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 769, in make_msgid admin(29069):   
> >  idhost = socket.gethostbyaddr(socket.gethostname())[0] admin(29069):
> > error: host not found
> >admin(29069): [----- Python Information -----]
> >admin(29069): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Apr  3 2002, 18:16:26)  [GCC
> > 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.2 2
> >admin(29069): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
> >admin(29069): sys.prefix     = /usr
> >admin(29069): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
> >admin(29069): sys.path       = /usr
> >admin(29069): sys.platform   = linux-i386
> >~~~~then some stuff about html (no errors though!)~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >I see the "host not found" but the server's DNS works fine (including
> >localhost, etc.) The mailman folder is owned by root and mailman group (it
> >did complain about some perm when I first executed check perm, but I fixed
> >it).
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >--
> >David Mir
> >System Administrator
> >Soar Technology, Inc.
> >3600 Green Ct, Ste 600
> >Ann Arbor, MI  48105-2588
> >734-327-8000 ext. 222
> >734-913-8537 (Fax)
> >www.soartech.com
> >mir at soartech.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From gsorian at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 23 23:32:25 2002
From: gsorian at yahoo.com (Guillermo Soria)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don't send subscription confirmation email
Message-ID: <20020723213225.61124.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi...

I been install Mailman 2.0.11-1 downloaded from RedHat
rpm's database, on a RedHat 7.1 server with sendmail
and iPop3 (Imap), I made test sending and reciving
mails trought shell's users and it works, but when I
tried to subscribe to Mailman list, the server doesn't
send me any mail for confirmation.

I tried make it work, changing the aliases but even it
doesn't work.

I have my /etc/aliases like this.

mailman: postmaster
mailman-owner: mailman

Is this right? or I need to make some changes...

thanks

=====
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:: Saltillo / Coahuila / MEXICO
:: OPEN-Source an alternative

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From goodwin at apple.com  Tue Jul 23 23:45:28 2002
From: goodwin at apple.com (Larry Goodwin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:45:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman memory error
Message-ID: <8120B8E1-9E85-11D6-8BAC-0003936D8AF2@apple.com>

Folks,
I have set up a new Mailman server with the HTDig patches. It all works 
fine on a small list.
I can send email and I see it in the archives etc.

When I brought over a list from my other Mailman system and when I run 
/bin/arch I get the following error.

2001-November
*** malloc[311]: error: Can't allocate region
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/arch", line 129, in ?
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/arch", line 118, in main
     archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 526, in 
processUnixMailbox
     a = articleClass(m, self.sequence)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 207, in 
__init__
     self.__super_init(message, sequence, keepHeaders)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 223, in 
__init__
     self.body = message.fp.readlines()
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/mailbox.py", line 66, in readlines
     line = self.readline()
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/mailbox.py", line 59, in readline
     data = self.fp.readline(length)
MemoryError

When I run HTDig on the small test list it runs ok. When I run it on 
the large list I get this error.

[seolist1:~/bin] mailman% /usr/local/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
error 13:mkstemp errorhtmerge: Word sort failed

I was wondering if I need more memory or if there are other problems.

thanks,
larrry	

MacOS X 10.1.5
400Mhz G3 384MB memory

Python 2.1 (#4, 05/17/01, 18:34:21)
[GCC Apple DevKit-based CPP 6.0alpha] on darwin1

Mailman 2.0.6 With HTDig patches 444879 and 444884.





From support at iquest.ucsb.edu  Wed Jul 24 01:39:10 2002
From: support at iquest.ucsb.edu (Support)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:39:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don't send subscription confirmation email
In-Reply-To: <20020723213225.61124.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c232a2$2504af70$800f6f80@iquest.ucsb.edu>

Ive been having trouble with that also, among other things.

when you create a list via $prefix/bin/newlist

it runs you thru a little questionaire.  what is the list's name, who is the
admin?....

it then tells you to add this the your /etc/aliases file.

###---------- Mailman List Aliases

## test mailing list
## Created: 18-Jul-2002 mailman
test:                   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:             "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:             test-admin


make sure you have this, and you have a symlink in
/etc/smrsh/wrapper -> $prefix/mail/wrapper (this hint is in the docs
somewhere)
you can add the wrapper with this command

shell> ln -s $prefix/mail/wrapper wrapper


---My problem is I get the confirmation message. I reply to it but don't get
added to the list????

anyone know why.

thanx







-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Guillermo Soria
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 2:32 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman don't send subscription confirmation
email


Hi...

I been install Mailman 2.0.11-1 downloaded from RedHat
rpm's database, on a RedHat 7.1 server with sendmail
and iPop3 (Imap), I made test sending and reciving
mails trought shell's users and it works, but when I
tried to subscribe to Mailman list, the server doesn't
send me any mail for confirmation.

I tried make it work, changing the aliases but even it
doesn't work.

I have my /etc/aliases like this.

mailman: postmaster
mailman-owner: mailman

Is this right? or I need to make some changes...

thanks

=====
:: Soria-Niqo, Guillermo
:: Saltillo / Coahuila / MEXICO
:: OPEN-Source an alternative

__________________________________________________
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From ojik at mitramandiri.com  Wed Jul 24 03:34:09 2002
From: ojik at mitramandiri.com (O.J.I.K)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:34:09 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP CONFIGURE
Message-ID: <002e01c232b2$36c0aec0$8b00a8c0@NGULIK>

When i have unpack the tar.gz file into /home/mailman/  i run configure (./configure) but its Doesn't work,.
Please Help What happen :

[mailman at develop mailman-2.0.12]$ ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 1.5.2
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[mailman at develop mailman-2.0.12]$


Thanks

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From wolf at wolfstream.net  Wed Jul 24 04:41:20 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: 23 Jul 2002 21:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error during 1st install
In-Reply-To: <200207231721.11468.mir@soartech.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020819164434.030b7178@pop.ftel.co.uk> 
	<200207231721.11468.mir@soartech.com>
Message-ID: <1027478481.11781.1.camel@mirage>

> 
> <<< Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 501.  (Reconfigure to take 
> 501?)
> 
So, add apache to group 12 or whatever group you need to do.
Or recompile, gee!!

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From barry at zope.com  Wed Jul 24 06:14:12 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Candidate Mailman 2.0.13 patch
Message-ID: <15678.10644.858948.973667@anthem.wooz.org>

As some of you have noticed, Mailman 2.0.12 has some compatibility
problems with Python 1.5.2.  In order to correct this, and a few other
minor problems, I want to soon release a version 2.0.13.  This time,
however I'd like to enlist your help. ;)

I have uploaded a candidate patch for 2.0.12 -> 2.0.13 at this url:

http://sf.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=585643&group_id=103&atid=300103

I would appreciate it if someone (or a few someones) could give this
patch a try.  I'm essentially running it on python.org/zope.org,
however I'm using Python 2.1.3 in my production environment.  I have
done some limited testing with Python 1.5.2 and this patch and it
seems to go okay.

I'd especially like to hear from those of you experiencing problems
with MailCommandHandler, if you are running MM2.0.12 with Python
1.5.2.  Does this patch fix things for you?  Does it produce any other
tracebacks or warnings in logs/error?

Thanks for any feedback you can provide.  If I get some positive
feedback (or at least, no negative feedback) in a few days, I'd do a
formal release.  I expect that to be largely similar to this patch,
with perhaps some documentation updates, unless other problems are
uncovered by your testing.

Thanks!
-Barry



From steve at starswan.com  Wed Jul 24 13:06:00 2002
From: steve at starswan.com (Steve Dicks)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:06:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LongSig?
Message-ID: <1027508760.3d3e8a18107e5@secure.tradeline.org.uk>

I've just started to run some lists off mailman (as opposed to majordomo) and
I've come across what appears to be one missing (useful) feature: the ability to
drop a long signature off postings via a --LongSig directive. I've searched the
archives and can't find anything - is there an equivalent?

-- 
Steve Dicks
steve at starswan.com

--LongSig
This is a very interesting long signature.



From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Jul 24 14:28:13 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:28:13 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsub Issues
In-Reply-To: <20020724120202.746.69970.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020724120202.746.69970.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020724122813.GS19592@ns2.wananchi.com>

Hello World,

I am new to mailman so please hold your flame guns for now, because I've also
read the FAQs etc but did not find this.

I've installed Mailman-2.0.12 and it seems to work so far. I am still testing.
One problem though:


when a user unsubscribes, it sends the goodbye_msg BUT in that message (in the body)
it puts all the normal list headers - now I don't like this. How do I change that?

I only want the goodbye_msg. the headers are supposed to be restricted to being headers,
yes?



Thanks.


-Wash

-- 
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Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."   
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twelve people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty!



From sebold at lcms.org  Wed Jul 24 15:41:31 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:41:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsub Issues
In-Reply-To: <20020724122813.GS19592@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <20020724120202.746.69970.Mailman@mail.python.org>
 <20020724122813.GS19592@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: 

On 15 Av 5762, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

> when a user unsubscribes, it sends the goodbye_msg BUT in that message
> (in the body) it puts all the normal list headers - now I don't like
> this. How do I change that?
> 
> I only want the goodbye_msg. the headers are supposed to be restricted
> to being headers, yes?

I found that I had to add an extra newline to make it work, at the
bottom of the goodbye_msg.  (Actually I patched the source to make the
extra newline automatic, but I'm not near that server to generate a diff
right now.)

As a workaround, have the users add an extra newline at the bottom of
goodbye_msg, or two, and see if that helps.
-- 
Charles Sebold          Microsoft delenda est           15th of Av, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems             http://tsdocs.lcms.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***




From kss at kldp.org  Wed Jul 24 15:49:43 2002
From: kss at kldp.org (Soon-Son Kwon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:49:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing incoming messages automatically?
Message-ID: <20020724224940.A14094@mail.kldp.org>

Hello, I am using mailman 2.0.11 on debian woody.

I configured a list to accept messages from subscribers only
so that unsubscribers' messages can be approved by admin manually.

But these days some spammers started to send too many messages
so deleting those messages takes quite time.

Is there any way to configure mailman delete every messages
from unsubscribers automatically and do not even notify it
to the list admin?

I tried to find some option for that in the admin interface but failed....

Thanks in advance...
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From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Jul 24 15:49:06 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:49:06 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsub Issues
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20020724120202.746.69970.Mailman@mail.python.org> <20020724122813.GS19592@ns2.wananchi.com> 
Message-ID: <20020724134906.GG37647@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Charles Sebold  [20020724 16:40]: wrote:
> On 15 Av 5762, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> 
> > when a user unsubscribes, it sends the goodbye_msg BUT in that message
> > (in the body) it puts all the normal list headers - now I don't like
> > this. How do I change that?
> > 
> > I only want the goodbye_msg. the headers are supposed to be restricted
> > to being headers, yes?
> 
> I found that I had to add an extra newline to make it work, at the
> bottom of the goodbye_msg.  (Actually I patched the source to make the
> extra newline automatic, but I'm not near that server to generate a diff
> right now.)
> 
> As a workaround, have the users add an extra newline at the bottom of
> goodbye_msg, or two, and see if that helps.


I've added the extra newline, but is it normal for Mailman to put it's
headers in the body?? That is what I don't like.



-Wash

-- 
Odhiambo Washington      "The box said 'Requires
Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."   
GSM: 254 72 743 223   GSM: 254 733 744 121  This sig is McQ!  :-)


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	The fine stream from a grapefruit that always lands right in
your eye.
		-- Sniglets, "Rich Hall & Friends"



From sebold at lcms.org  Wed Jul 24 16:02:53 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:02:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsub Issues
In-Reply-To: <20020724134906.GG37647@ns2.wananchi.com> (Odhiambo
 Washington's message of "Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:49:06 +0300")
References: <20020724120202.746.69970.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<20020724122813.GS19592@ns2.wananchi.com> 
	<20020724134906.GG37647@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <873cu9p6k2.fsf@lcms.org>

On 15 Av 5762, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

>> As a workaround, have the users add an extra newline at the bottom of
>> goodbye_msg, or two, and see if that helps.
> 
> I've added the extra newline, but is it normal for Mailman to put it's
> headers in the body?? That is what I don't like.

Sorry, I remembered incorrectly.  START the goodbye_msg with an extra
line or two, not end it with that.

Then the headers will be where they are supposed to be.
-- 
Charles Sebold          Microsoft delenda est           15th of Av, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems             http://tsdocs.lcms.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***



From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Jul 24 16:14:24 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:14:24 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsub Issues
In-Reply-To: <873cu9p6k2.fsf@lcms.org>
References: <20020724120202.746.69970.Mailman@mail.python.org> <20020724122813.GS19592@ns2.wananchi.com>  <20020724134906.GG37647@ns2.wananchi.com> <873cu9p6k2.fsf@lcms.org>
Message-ID: <20020724141424.GH37647@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Charles Sebold  [20020724 17:01]: wrote:
> On 15 Av 5762, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> 
> >> As a workaround, have the users add an extra newline at the bottom of
> >> goodbye_msg, or two, and see if that helps.
> > 
> > I've added the extra newline, but is it normal for Mailman to put it's
> > headers in the body?? That is what I don't like.
> 
> Sorry, I remembered incorrectly.  START the goodbye_msg with an extra
> line or two, not end it with that.

Okay, thanks, I will adjust now.

> Then the headers will be where they are supposed to be.

Really? I did not see it mentioned in the docs. Thanks.


I see you use exim-3.3x  - I am having problem with sending to list
after I added the Mailman configs to the Exim configure....
posts fail to get delivered! I am now wondering how the unsubs were
working even before I put the correct exim conf in place ;-)
I am a newbie so I guess this is normal to encounter.

Exim-4.10 though.



-Wash

-- 
Odhiambo Washington      "The box said 'Requires
Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."   
GSM: 254 72 743 223   GSM: 254 733 744 121  This sig is McQ!  :-)


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		-- Publius Syrus



From sebold at lcms.org  Wed Jul 24 16:21:34 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsub Issues
In-Reply-To: <20020724141424.GH37647@ns2.wananchi.com> (Odhiambo
 Washington's message of "Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:14:24 +0300")
References: <20020724120202.746.69970.Mailman@mail.python.org>
	<20020724122813.GS19592@ns2.wananchi.com> 
	<20020724134906.GG37647@ns2.wananchi.com> <873cu9p6k2.fsf@lcms.org>
	<20020724141424.GH37647@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <87u1mpnr4h.fsf@lcms.org>

On 15 Av 5762, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

>> Then the headers will be where they are supposed to be.
> 
> Really? I did not see it mentioned in the docs. Thanks.

Me neither.  I just haven't taken the time to find out where the real
bug is, otherwise I would have submitted a patch by now.

> I see you use exim-3.3x  - I am having problem with sending to list
> after I added the Mailman configs to the Exim configure....
> posts fail to get delivered! I am now wondering how the unsubs were
> working even before I put the correct exim conf in place ;-)
> I am a newbie so I guess this is normal to encounter.
> 
> Exim-4.10 though.

Sorry, can't help you there.  It seems from other things I have seen on
the list that Exim 4 is configured a little differently from 3 - you
might check the archives, just the last couple of weeks, and see if
there was an answer to that.
-- 
Charles Sebold          Microsoft delenda est           15th of Av, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems             http://tsdocs.lcms.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***



From ckolar at imsa.edu  Wed Jul 24 18:24:13 2002
From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:24:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mm documentation server change
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724112046.035f0338@staffmail.imsa.edu>

IMSA will be making some significant server changes this weekend, changes 
that will impact the location of the Mailman documents that we host.  The 
new URL will be:

         http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman

The pages will no longer be hosted on www.imsa.edu.  There will be NO URL 
FORWARDING when the change is made this Saturday morning, so please change 
links as necessary.

I will try to sort through the logs and pull out the URLs of people linking 
in to try to contact them personally, but if you maintain a page with a 
link and are reading this note please take appropriate action.

Sorry about the short notice on this, I just found out myself.

--chris



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From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Jul 24 18:47:04 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:47:04 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig Intergration
Message-ID: <20020724164704.GX37647@ns2.wananchi.com>

Hello List Managers,

Does anyone know where I can find a clean HOWTO on intergrating Mailman
and HTDig for searchable archives. I am running Mailman-2.0.12 from
today ;-) but would like to go right ahead and have a searchable archive
like the one list.org has. Or am I being over ambitious?

Thanking you.


-Wash

-- 
Odhiambo Washington      "The box said 'Requires
Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."   
GSM: 254 72 743 223   GSM: 254 733 744 121  This sig is McQ!  :-)


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		-- Ted Turner



From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Jul 24 19:41:54 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:41:54 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig Intergration
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20020724164704.GX37647@ns2.wananchi.com> 
Message-ID: <20020724174154.GA37647@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Larry Goodwin  [20020724 20:19]: wrote:

Sorry for the top posting:


These patches are against 2.0.6.

I do run 2.0.12. I am surprised someone hasn't seen the need to intergrate
them as a standard in Mailman. However, I am still looking for pointers
to patch 2.0.12  - I see Mailman's own site runs 2.0.12 and it has all thes
facilities.

Let me hope the gurus will see this and help me out.



> I just went through this, It works good for new lists. I am having some 
> trouble with some of the old very large lists. mailman/bin/arch has a 
> memory error and htdig htmerge is haveing problems. I hope the the 
> folks at mailman and htdig will give me some help today.
> 
> Apply patches 444879 and 444884 to mailman.
> 
> The  are at SourceForge.net
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp
> has the pointers.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2002, at 09:47  AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> 
> >
> >Hello List Managers,
> >
> >Does anyone know where I can find a clean HOWTO on intergrating Mailman
> >and HTDig for searchable archives. I am running Mailman-2.0.12 from
> >today ;-) but would like to go right ahead and have a searchable 
> >archive
> >like the one list.org has. Or am I being over ambitious?
> >
> >Thanking you.
> >
> >
> >-Wash
> >
> >-- 
> >Odhiambo Washington      "The box said 'Requires
> >Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
> >Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."
> >GSM: 254 72 743 223   GSM: 254 733 744 121  This sig is McQ!  :-)
> >
> >
> >If I had any humility I would be perfect.
> >		-- Ted Turner
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users mailing list
> >Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> >Searchable Archives: 
> >http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

-Wash

-- 
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Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."   
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the United States.
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From markgill at greatbooks.org  Wed Jul 24 20:54:25 2002
From: markgill at greatbooks.org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web access problems after add_members
Message-ID: 

I'm transferring lists from LetterRip to Mailman. In so doing, I needed 
to modify the list to remove names and Mac end of line characters. I did 
so using Excel (remove a column) and then BBedit (save with UNIX eol). I 
have 4 lists to transfer. The first list transfered without error (other 
than some warnings of duplicates). After I added these members to a new 
list, I checked the admin site to see if the members appeared. They did 
(about 7000).

The next list did not go well even though it was smaller. Python 
appeared to freeze during the add_members command. Ctr-C would not stop 
it. After waiting some time, I issued "reboot -n" on the Linux box. I 
checked my mail and did receive notification that members were added to 
the new list. I checked the databases and all of them reported to be 
fine. However, I cannot access the Admin Web pages for the second list 
(I can for the initial one). I can access the 'listinfo' page for all of 
the lists. The browser does not time-out when attempting to access the 
admin list page, but continues to try, seemingly, forever.

Mark






From fdesjardins at email.com  Wed Jul 24 23:58:53 2002
From: fdesjardins at email.com (FREDERIC DESJARDINS)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:58:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi everyone
Message-ID: <20020724215853.23829.qmail@email.com>

Hi everyone!

I had to close my list becuase I had to many spams.

Does anyone knows how to track down a spammer?

Can we get the ISP number from someone posting on the list?

Regards

Frederic
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From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Thu Jul 25 00:02:21 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:02:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi everyone
In-Reply-To: <20020724215853.23829.qmail@email.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724170130.029a93a0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>

Frederic

Try:

http://spamcop.net

Works great!

Also:

http://www.samspade.com (but they were down for a while...may be back up now!)

Paul

At 04:58 PM 24/07/02, FREDERIC DESJARDINS wrote:
>Hi everyone!
>
>I had to close my list becuase I had to many spams.
>
>Does anyone knows how to track down a spammer?
>
>Can we get the ISP number from someone posting on the list?
>
>Regards
>
>Frederic




From davidc at bonair.stanford.edu  Thu Jul 25 00:04:37 2002
From: davidc at bonair.stanford.edu (David Chait)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:04:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi everyone
References: <20020724215853.23829.qmail@email.com>
Message-ID: <02d201c2335e$1aa33080$32ec40ab@stanford.edu>

Sadly there is no good way to prosecute those low life bastards. Though we
do get lucky every now and then and level some real damage on them. Sooner
or later either legislation or technology will catch up to the point where
we can either hold these schisters accountable or stop them altogether.
Direct e-mail has about as much a legitimate place on the internet as
virtual medicine, it's a curse that all sys admins pay for. Simply put these
people are making money selling OUR resources, not their own. I am not only
reffering to lost e-mail addresses and time, but bandwidth and hardware
overhead generated by useless drivil.


----- Original Message -----
From: "FREDERIC DESJARDINS" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:58 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi everyone


> Hi everyone!
>
> I had to close my list becuase I had to many spams.
>
> Does anyone knows how to track down a spammer?
>
> Can we get the ISP number from someone posting on the list?
>
> Regards
>
> Frederic
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>




From elaine at elainemiller.com  Thu Jul 25 02:23:52 2002
From: elaine at elainemiller.com (Elaine Miller)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:23:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] copy of subscriber list?
In-Reply-To: <20020724215853.23829.qmail@email.com>
Message-ID: <3D3EE2A8.28162.AA6FF6E@localhost>

I confess I know I should be able to find it somewhere, but I need to know 
how to get a copy of my subscribers list for back-up.
(I never trust a server I've never seen )

I can do the obvious -- save each html page in my admin section, but 
that's a dreary task, and I'm sure there's a better way.

Anyone?

TIA
Elaine
webdonkey
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From canario.joe at teleline.es  Thu Jul 25 03:02:43 2002
From: canario.joe at teleline.es (CJoe)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:02:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] throwing away attachments [?]
Message-ID: <11610644906.20020725020243@teleline.es>

Dear all,

I  wonder how I can get Mailman to trash all kinds of attachments
(html  and whatever may be attached to the plain text part of the
email) before messages are sent to the distribution list.

This  attachment issue is a real pain because it is the vector of
all destructive code spreading.

Please,  include  a  copy  of  your mail to my mailbox as I am in
digest mode. Thank you.


canario.joe at teleline.es
___




From dbui at staff.chariot.net.au  Thu Jul 25 03:12:47 2002
From: dbui at staff.chariot.net.au (Dat Bui)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:42:47 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi everyone
References: <20020724215853.23829.qmail@email.com>
Message-ID: <089c01c23378$638d6c60$3353190a@chariot.net.au>

you could make the list accessible to members only. if a member spams then
you unsubscribe/disable them.
or if you have plenty of time on your hands, you could make it so that it
requires administrator approval for posts to go through.

HTH
----- Original Message -----
From: "FREDERIC DESJARDINS" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:28 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi everyone


> Hi everyone!
>
> I had to close my list becuase I had to many spams.
>
> Does anyone knows how to track down a spammer?
>
> Can we get the ISP number from someone posting on the list?
>
> Regards
>
> Frederic
> --
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> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>




From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Jul 25 03:15:47 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:15:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: throwing away attachments [?]
In-Reply-To: <11610644906.20020725020243@teleline.es>
References: <11610644906.20020725020243@teleline.es>
Message-ID: <20020725011547.GA3459@hq.newdream.net>

CJoe wrote:

> I  wonder how I can get Mailman to trash all kinds of attachments
> (html  and whatever may be attached to the plain text part of the
> email) before messages are sent to the distribution list.
> 
> This  attachment issue is a real pain because it is the vector of
> all destructive code spreading.
> 
> Please,  include  a  copy  of  your mail to my mailbox as I am in
> digest mode. Thank you.

see the faq
install something like demime or stripmime.

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From dbui at staff.chariot.net.au  Thu Jul 25 03:24:15 2002
From: dbui at staff.chariot.net.au (Dat Bui)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:54:15 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing incoming messages automatically?
References: <20020724224940.A14094@mail.kldp.org>
Message-ID: <08c401c23379$fdba4e60$3353190a@chariot.net.au>

I use this script to do just that. copy and paste into a file (name it
clear_request) and put it in your mailman cronjob.
Your default cron job for mailman most likely mails admins at 5pm about
pending requests so you should run this script at 4:50pm or something.
HTH

#! /usr/bin/python
#
# Written by Donal Hunt
# April 23rd 2001
#
# argv[1] should be the name of the list.

"""Clear pending administrative requests for a list

Usage:
    clear_requests listname

Where:

    listname
        The name of the Mailman list you want to clear
        pending requests from.  It must already exist.

"""

import sys
import os
import string
import getopt
import paths
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors
from Mailman import Message
from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog


def usage(status, msg=''):
    if msg:
        print msg
    print __doc__ % globals()
    sys.exit(status)


def main():
    try:
        ml = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
    except Errors.MMListError, e:
        usage(1, 'No such list: %s (%s)' % (listname, e))
    try:
        print 'No of Requests Pending: %s ' % ml.NumRequestsPending()
        print 'No of postings awaiting approval: %s ' %
ml.GetHeldMessageIds()
        print 'No of subsciptions awaiting approval: %s ' %
ml.GetSubscriptionIds()
        for i in ml.GetHeldMessageIds():
            ml.HandleRequest(i, 3)
        for i in ml.GetSubscriptionIds():
            ml.HandleRequest(i, 2, 'No subscription allowed - please mail
%s' % ml.owner[0] )

        print 'No of Requests Pending: %s ' % ml.NumRequestsPending()
        ml.Save()
    finally:
        ml.Unlock()

main()




----- Original Message -----
From: "Soon-Son Kwon" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:19 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing incoming messages automatically?


> Hello, I am using mailman 2.0.11 on debian woody.
>
> I configured a list to accept messages from subscribers only
> so that unsubscribers' messages can be approved by admin manually.
>
> But these days some spammers started to send too many messages
> so deleting those messages takes quite time.
>
> Is there any way to configure mailman delete every messages
> from unsubscribers automatically and do not even notify it
> to the list admin?
>
> I tried to find some option for that in the admin interface but failed....
>
> Thanks in advance...
> --
> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>            (o_             **WTFM**
> (o_  (o_   //\
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>
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>




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 25 04:50:35 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:50:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi everyone 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Croft  
   of "Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:02:21 CDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020724170130.029a93a0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724170130.029a93a0@mail.paulsfunhouse.com> 
Message-ID: <28967.1027565435@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:02:21 -0500 
Paul Croft  wrote:

> Frederic Try:

>   http://spamcop.net

> Works great!

> Also:

>   http://www.samspade.com (but they were down for a while...may be
>   back > up now!)

Other choices enclude SpamAssassin, or, as I've recently started
experimenting with: TMDA.  It turns out that you can use TMDA as a
front-filter for lists fairly easily, with a number of useful
advantages.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 25 04:54:09 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:54:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] copy of subscriber list? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Elaine Miller"  
   of "Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:23:52 PDT." <3D3EE2A8.28162.AA6FF6E@localhost> 
References: <3D3EE2A8.28162.AA6FF6E@localhost> 
Message-ID: <29056.1027565649@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:23:52 -0700 
Elaine Miller  wrote:

> I confess I know I should be able to find it somewhere, but I need to
> know how to get a copy of my subscribers list for back-up.  (I never
> trust a server I've never seen )

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 25 04:54:24 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] throwing away attachments [?] 
In-Reply-To: Message from CJoe  
   of "Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:02:43 BST." <11610644906.20020725020243@teleline.es> 
References: <11610644906.20020725020243@teleline.es> 
Message-ID: <29081.1027565664@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:02:43 +0100 
canario joe  wrote:

> Dear all, I wonder how I can get Mailman to trash all kinds of
> attachments (html and whatever may be attached to the plain text part
> of the email) before messages are sent to the distribution list.

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu Jul 25 05:09:57 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:09:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] copy of subscriber list?
In-Reply-To: <29056.1027565649@kanga.nu>
References: <3D3EE2A8.28162.AA6FF6E@localhost>
	<29056.1027565649@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020724200957.30d44483.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:54:09 -0700
J C Lawrence J C Lawrence  wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:23:52 -0700 
> Elaine Miller  wrote:
> 
> > I confess I know I should be able to find it somewhere, but I
> need to
> > know how to get a copy of my subscribers list for back-up.  (I
> never
> > trust a server I've never seen )
> 
> Please see the FAQ:
> 
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                

Elaine,

Try the command:
bin/list_members

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
As a rule, there is no surer way to the dislike of men than to
behave well where they have behaved badly.
  --Lew Wallace




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Jul 25 11:41:51 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:41:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig Intergration
In-Reply-To: <20020724164704.GX37647@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725102024.03eb0298@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 19:47 24/07/2002 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

>Hello List Managers,
>
>Does anyone know where I can find a clean HOWTO on intergrating Mailman
>and HTDig for searchable archives. I am running Mailman-2.0.12 from
>today ;-) but would like to go right ahead and have a searchable archive
>like the one list.org has. Or am I being over ambitious?
>
>Thanking you.
>
>
>-Wash

The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search 
engine with Mailman.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

Use the versions of these patches for MM 2.0.11 When you apply them to MM 
2.0.12 build directory you will get one complaint from patch 444884 which 
you I think you can safely ignore. When I have time I'll build and upload a 
revision of 444884 for 2.0.12 to get rid of this complaint. Output from 
applying both patches should look something like this:

mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build/mailman-2.0.12> patch -p1 < 
../patches/current/indexing-2.0.11-0.1.patch
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build/mailman-2.0.12> patch -p1 < 
../patches/current/htdig-2.0.11-0.1.patch
patching file INSTALL
Hunk #1 succeeded at 355 (offset 22 lines).
patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
patching file Mailman/Cgi/updateTOC.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
patching file Makefile.in
patching file bin/Makefile.in
patching file bin/blow_away_htdig
patching file cron/Makefile.in
patching file cron/crontab.in.in
patching file cron/nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare
patching file src/Makefile.in

You will find that patch 444884 adds a file INSTALL.htdig-mm to the MM 
2.0.12 build directory that has a fairly detailed description of how to set 
up the MM-htdig integration.

Also see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp for 
alternative solutions.






From cooleydd at pacbell.net  Thu Jul 25 17:41:56 2002
From: cooleydd at pacbell.net (Don Cooley)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:41:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help for decisions
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725102024.03eb0298@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

To All

I hope it is OK to post something like this on this list.

I have about 20 prostate cancer mailing lists (presently on Yahoo) and
probably the best prostate cancer web site there is at
http://www.cooleyville.com/cancer .  Everything in non commercial and I
have been funding the whole one man operation out of my pocket.  It is
about to get expensive.  One of my lists is on Lsoft and is presently 850
members.  The cost on their Home programs around $150 per month.  Now when
I get to 1000 members this cost will triple - can't afford that.  The web
site and the mailing lists are too valuable to let go as many men around
the world have depended on the advise they receive.

Looks like I have three options:
1.  To find a web hosting that would allow all the mailing lists at a
decent price.  Have been unable to find that.

2.  I do have DSL at home and could make up a computer to host my own
mailing lists but I am not skilled enough to set up RedHat (or other) and
install Mailman without some help. Since I am in Silicon Valley help
should be available but can't find anyone around here with expertise with
Mailman.  Don't know if ADSL would handle the load.  1 list at 30 messages
a day (max of 80) 2 lists at 10 a day and the balance at 1 or 2 a day.

3.  Find someone who would be willing to put these on their server as a
donation to the cause or at a small cost.  Maybe a host that I could not
find. What would really be nice (but certainly not required) would be the
ability to have my own domain name for a mailing list.

Maybe someone out there who has prostate cancer (I am a patient) or has
family who has prostate cancer may understand where I am coming from.

Any other ideas?

I apologize if I am in error posting here but am getting desperate .

 Don

             Have a PCa Question?
           Don't want to ask a Group
              Go to http://askphp.org
           A Team of Patients will help.
 Don Cooley, call 408 268-6400 if I can help!
     Web site - http://prostate-help.com




From brian at emwd.com  Thu Jul 25 18:01:30 2002
From: brian at emwd.com (Brian Carpenter)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:01:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help for decisions
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Dear Don:

We offer Mailman mailing lists at $2 per list per month with a setup fee of
$10 per list. If you are interested, then please contact me offlist and we
can go over the details.

Have a great day.

Kind Regards,
Brian Carpenter
Emerging Markets Web Design and Hosting
www.emwd.com


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Don Cooley
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:42 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help for decisions


To All

I hope it is OK to post something like this on this list.

I have about 20 prostate cancer mailing lists (presently on Yahoo) and
probably the best prostate cancer web site there is at
http://www.cooleyville.com/cancer .  Everything in non commercial and I
have been funding the whole one man operation out of my pocket.  It is
about to get expensive.  One of my lists is on Lsoft and is presently 850
members.  The cost on their Home programs around $150 per month.  Now when
I get to 1000 members this cost will triple - can't afford that.  The web
site and the mailing lists are too valuable to let go as many men around
the world have depended on the advise they receive.

Looks like I have three options:
1.  To find a web hosting that would allow all the mailing lists at a
decent price.  Have been unable to find that.

2.  I do have DSL at home and could make up a computer to host my own
mailing lists but I am not skilled enough to set up RedHat (or other) and
install Mailman without some help. Since I am in Silicon Valley help
should be available but can't find anyone around here with expertise with
Mailman.  Don't know if ADSL would handle the load.  1 list at 30 messages
a day (max of 80) 2 lists at 10 a day and the balance at 1 or 2 a day.

3.  Find someone who would be willing to put these on their server as a
donation to the cause or at a small cost.  Maybe a host that I could not
find. What would really be nice (but certainly not required) would be the
ability to have my own domain name for a mailing list.

Maybe someone out there who has prostate cancer (I am a patient) or has
family who has prostate cancer may understand where I am coming from.

Any other ideas?

I apologize if I am in error posting here but am getting desperate .

 Don

             Have a PCa Question?
           Don't want to ask a Group
              Go to http://askphp.org
           A Team of Patients will help.
 Don Cooley, call 408 268-6400 if I can help!
     Web site - http://prostate-help.com


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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Jul 25 18:14:42 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:14:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help for decisions
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <000201c233f6$63382330$0b04010a@JCARNES>

If you bring up a box with RedHat 7.2, I'll be happy to secure the box for
you and to do the initial setup of your mailman.  Call me a sucker, but it
sounds like a good cause.

DSL has high latencies and contention so it makes for a bad network
connection for a server, still if the traffic is low and your ISP has some
good mailservers, Mailman should work.  You will, however, need a static IP
or DNS address.

Folks are going to drop off Mail to your server, so the mail will have to
find the server across the internet. It cannot do that unless you have
either a static IP or you subscribe to a dynamic hosting site which updates
your DNS everytime your ip address changes.  And example of such a service
is HN.net (this is free for folks using opensource os'es... or at least it
used to be.)

Also, a UPS really helps.

Take care.  Let me know if you need my help,

Jon Carnes

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Cooley [mailto:cooleydd at pacbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:42 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help for decisions


To All

I hope it is OK to post something like this on this list.

I have about 20 prostate cancer mailing lists (presently on Yahoo) and
probably the best prostate cancer web site there is at
http://www.cooleyville.com/cancer .  Everything in non commercial and I
have been funding the whole one man operation out of my pocket.  It is
about to get expensive.  One of my lists is on Lsoft and is presently 850
members.  The cost on their Home programs around $150 per month.  Now when
I get to 1000 members this cost will triple - can't afford that.  The web
site and the mailing lists are too valuable to let go as many men around
the world have depended on the advise they receive.

Looks like I have three options:
1.  To find a web hosting that would allow all the mailing lists at a
decent price.  Have been unable to find that.

2.  I do have DSL at home and could make up a computer to host my own
mailing lists but I am not skilled enough to set up RedHat (or other) and
install Mailman without some help. Since I am in Silicon Valley help
should be available but can't find anyone around here with expertise with
Mailman.  Don't know if ADSL would handle the load.  1 list at 30 messages
a day (max of 80) 2 lists at 10 a day and the balance at 1 or 2 a day.

3.  Find someone who would be willing to put these on their server as a
donation to the cause or at a small cost.  Maybe a host that I could not
find. What would really be nice (but certainly not required) would be the
ability to have my own domain name for a mailing list.

Maybe someone out there who has prostate cancer (I am a patient) or has
family who has prostate cancer may understand where I am coming from.

Any other ideas?

I apologize if I am in error posting here but am getting desperate .

 Don

             Have a PCa Question?
           Don't want to ask a Group
              Go to http://askphp.org
           A Team of Patients will help.
 Don Cooley, call 408 268-6400 if I can help!
     Web site - http://prostate-help.com


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From bronto at csd-bes.net  Thu Jul 25 18:34:52 2002
From: bronto at csd-bes.net (bronto)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:34:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig Intergration
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725102024.03eb0298@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725102024.03eb0298@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

>Use the versions of these patches for MM 2.0.11 ...


Is there a solution for v2.1b2 yet?



From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Jul 25 19:43:48 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:43:48 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Obscuring e-mail addresses
Message-ID: <20020725174348.GC48637@ns2.wananchi.com>

Hello List,

When I installed Mailman and configured it (via web) I set the e-mail
obscure opt to yes. In Defaults.py I have

ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0

However, I see postings to my list showing the raw e-mail addresses.
I missed it, yes? ;-)

Secondly, I installed stripmime in /usr/local/mailman/bin
and in my list alias, I have

test-list:	"|/usr/local/mailman/bin/stripmime.pl |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test-list"


but still, one of my good pals stuck to Microsuck OE sent an html mail and it got to the
list in HTML!!

I missed it here also? ;-)




-Wash

-- 
Odhiambo Washington      "The box said 'Requires
Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."   
GSM: 254 72 743 223   GSM: 254 733 744 121  This sig is McQ!  :-)


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  And littered with
sloppy analysis!



From stefaans at pop.co.za  Thu Jul 25 20:00:48 2002
From: stefaans at pop.co.za (Stefaans Mostert)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:00:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribes
Message-ID: <200207252000.48364.stefaans@pop.co.za>

Hallo all

I made a little mistake I created a list and and subcribed a number of people 
on there using the add_members script.
I subscribed evereyone as confirm and approval.

Now most of them do not understand that they must reply.
How can I make them all active ?
This is just a distrebution list of parents from a highschool so all of them 
want to be there.
In future how do I mass subscribe people so that they are created ready for 
action ?

Please help.

Stefaans

-- 
No M$ products were used,or employees harmed,
In creating this e-mail



From wolf at wolfstream.net  Thu Jul 25 20:10:22 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: 25 Jul 2002 13:10:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help for decisions
In-Reply-To: <000201c233f6$63382330$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <000201c233f6$63382330$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <1027620622.5368.7.camel@mirage>

> 
> Folks are going to drop off Mail to your server, so the mail will have to
> find the server across the internet. It cannot do that unless you have
> either a static IP or you subscribe to a dynamic hosting site which updates
> your DNS everytime your ip address changes.  And example of such a service
> is HN.net (this is free for folks using opensource os'es... or at least it
> used to be.)

You can also use everydns (http://www.everydns.net) if you've got the
domain already set up. They provide a rather easy and safe way to manage
your dns entries and mailservers, and a rather easy to use perl
interface to update your IP as well, again, at no cost.

One thing you'll need to look at though, if you're going to run the
server yourself is the mail system you're using. Sendmail (default with
linux) really is limited in what it can do, and complicated to setup if
you don't know what you're doing. I'd suggest going with QMail, a much
more advanced system, with a few easy to use installers that can make
life much easier on you.

Just my 0.02 though

-- 
TJW      :Head tech, designer, bum:P
Mud      :http://dreamless.wolfstream.net
telnet   :telnet://dreamless.wolfstream.net 9275
OLC Pages:http://olc.wolfstream.net





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Jul 25 20:16:03 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:16:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help for decisions 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tom Whiting  
   of "25 Jul 2002 13:10:22 CDT." <1027620622.5368.7.camel@mirage> 
References: <000201c233f6$63382330$0b04010a@JCARNES>  <1027620622.5368.7.camel@mirage> 
Message-ID: <5709.1027620963@kanga.nu>

On 25 Jul 2002 13:10:22 -0500 
Tom Whiting  wrote:

> One thing you'll need to look at though, if you're going to run the
> server yourself is the mail system you're using. Sendmail (default
> with linux) really is limited in what it can do, and complicated to
> setup if you don't know what you're doing. I'd suggest going with
> QMail, a much more advanced system, with a few easy to use installers
> that can make life much easier on you.

Please see the FAQ for a comparatively even handed evaluation of MTAs
for use with mailman:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Jul 25 20:49:04 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:49:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig Intergration
In-Reply-To: 
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725102024.03eb0298@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020725102024.03eb0298@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725194008.03edcec0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:34 25/07/2002 -0700, bronto wrote:
>>Use the versions of these patches for MM 2.0.11 ...
>
>
>Is there a solution for v2.1b2 yet?

I've posted several versions of the patches 444879 and 444884  for MM 2.1 
but keeping up the CVS changes was becoming unworkable.

I'll try and rebuild versions of the patches that are compatible with the 
MM 2.1b2 from sourceforge over the next 24 hours and upload them.

I'll email you when I have done this.





From robin at rszemeti.demon.co.uk  Fri Jul 19 13:56:19 2002
From: robin at rszemeti.demon.co.uk (robin szemeti)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:56:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the 'From' header
In-Reply-To: <559484.1027080582@[192.168.215.120]>
References: <559484.1027080582@[192.168.215.120]>
Message-ID: <200207191156.g6JBuKY14820@rszemeti.demon.co.uk>

Hi,

I'd like the 'From:' header to be:

From: My Name 

rather than 

From: listname-admin at domain.tld

is this possible to do from the click-and-drool interface or do I need to 
change something deeper in the code?

-- 
Robin Szemeti





From fferreres at arrancar.com  Fri Jul 19 22:06:41 2002
From: fferreres at arrancar.com (Federico Ferreres)
Date: 19 Jul 2002 17:06:41 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db nightmare
Message-ID: <1027109209.1392.59.camel@fede>

Hi! 

I can't get mailman to run properly. Every time I use the web admin, it
changes ownership of ~/lists/config.db to the web server username (www).
And then the mailman user cron jobs fail with a "permision denied for
file...".

Strange thing is the config.db file is www.mailman (rw-rw---) so the
mailman user should be able to open/write/whatever config.db (and in
fact is).

It's driving me nutz...any help will be rewarded with a big thank you 
letter or kiss!

Regards,

Federico






From jllanos at kictribe.org  Sat Jul 20 00:25:02 2002
From: jllanos at kictribe.org (James Llanos Jr)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:25:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP
Message-ID: 

I am in need of assistance, I have mailman installed on my VPS and up to
this point it mainly worked. I ran into a snag today, the mailing lists just
stopped sending mail. I don?t understand why, on my VPS I have the aliases
setup correctly and it was working before today with no alterations to it.
Then today it just stopped.

Please Help?

James A Llanos JR
Computer Tech.
2960 Tongass Ave
Ketchikan, AK 99901
907-225-5158 ext 327
mailto:jllanos at kictribe.org
Intranet Site http://ct1/

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From carlie at shoopies.net  Sat Jul 20 22:50:31 2002
From: carlie at shoopies.net (Carlie)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 16:50:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020720164640.009f39e0@mail.ninetimesblue.com>

Hello. I have a mailing list that is run by Mailman - it was a feature 
provided by one of my domain hosts. I'm thinking about transferring my 
domain to a new host, and was wondering how complicated it is to 
transfer/set up Mailman with a new host?

thanks
carlisle





From chris at ex-parrot.com  Mon Jul 22 11:25:47 2002
From: chris at ex-parrot.com (Chris Lightfoot)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:25:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] `AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower'' from qrunner
Message-ID: <20020722092547.GA30290@caesious.cold.local>

I find that certain messages, including blank messages and
responses to subscription confirmation messages, cause
qrunner to abort with the following traceback:

Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794): Traceback (innermost last):
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):      kids = main(lock)
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 253, in main
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794):      precedence = msg.get('precedence', '').lower()
Jul 22 10:20:01 2002 qrunner(21794): AttributeError :  'string' object has no attribute 'lower' 

This started to occur two days after an upgrade from
2.0beta5 to 2.0.12; the system is Linux with python 1.5.2.

It is possible to make the queue run by using strace to
establish which message is causing the problem (why isn't
this reported in the log?), moving it out of the queue
directory, running it again, moving the next problematic
message, etc. However, this is not really a feasible way
to run the list, so I would be pleased to discover a real
solution....


-- 
Some circumstantial evidence is very strong,
as when one finds a trout in the milk (Thoreau)




From admin at guardware.com  Mon Jul 22 13:40:06 2002
From: admin at guardware.com (Admin)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:40:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] same message
Message-ID: <20020722114006.B4073430019@mail.guardware.com>

Hello,

Sorry for being so unpatient that I have not subscribed to the list but I 
have a very urgent problem to solve.
I am using postfix (1.1.11) + mailman (2.0.11) at my site. There are many 
lists and members who have subscribed to multiple lists. If a message is sent 
to multiple lists, and one is a member many of the lists, he/she gets 
multiple copies of the same message. How can I prevent this?
Another thing is that if someone posts to a list, and he/she is a member, 
he/she gets the mail. Is there any way to prevent this?

Thank you,
	Fulop Balazs




From jmorrow at jakstar.com  Tue Jul 23 20:37:41 2002
From: jmorrow at jakstar.com (JAKStar Enterprises)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hello again
Message-ID: <001d01c23278$06dce780$6601a8c0@nc.rr.com>

I was the person who asked about removing the password feature so that
subscribers could just send an email to unsubscribe...without having to
remember or search for the password.

You had mentioned that this might be available some time in the future. If
one were to help pay you to do this sooner...what kind of expense would be
involved.  I am a reseller of hosting service.  My current hosting service
provider uses Mailman...which is one of the best I've seen out there.  I
know they too would get more mileage out of this if it were tweaked.

Or...is there any other way around the password situation in the current
configuration.

Thanks,

D. Jeffrey Morrow

JAKStar Enterprises, Inc.
We build web sites so you don't have to!

100 Cavendish Drive - Cary, North Carolina 27513
Phone: 919-467-8410  Fax: (707) 924-0012

On the web at: www.jakstar.com






From zod.mansour at xdrive.com  Wed Jul 24 20:31:12 2002
From: zod.mansour at xdrive.com (Captain Zod)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:31:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Crack of a mailin list
Message-ID: <1026909407.1027510272@[10.11.16.23]>

Hello,
I have been running around trying to remember the password I set for a 
maillist and I cannot remember it! How can I crack it and change or delete 
the password for that particular maillist? I am running mailman 2.0.6 on 
RedHat 7.2.
thx,

Zod Mansour
Sr. Network Architect
XDRIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
zod.mansour at xdrive.com
310.301.5020




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Jul 25 23:35:25 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:35:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] same message
In-Reply-To: <20020722114006.B4073430019@mail.guardware.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c23423$30cdab40$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Not with the version of mailman you are running.  This is a feature that was
contemplated for the current Beta.  I believe that it is in the Beta but
that the cost of using this new feature can slow down the sending of mail
for the site - each mail is sent separately as opposed to sending one mail
for multiple users at the same mail drop.

Jon Carnes
-----Original Message-----
From: Admin [mailto:admin at guardware.com]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:40 AM
To: Mailman-Users
Subject: [Mailman-Users] same message


Hello,

Sorry for being so unpatient that I have not subscribed to the list but I
have a very urgent problem to solve.
I am using postfix (1.1.11) + mailman (2.0.11) at my site. There are many
lists and members who have subscribed to multiple lists. If a message is
sent
to multiple lists, and one is a member many of the lists, he/she gets
multiple copies of the same message. How can I prevent this?
Another thing is that if someone posts to a list, and he/she is a member,
he/she gets the mail. Is there any way to prevent this?

Thank you,
	Fulop Balazs


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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Jul 25 23:31:52 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:31:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Crack of a mailin list
In-Reply-To: <1026909407.1027510272@[10.11.16.23]>
Message-ID: <000901c23422$b13bbd90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Use the "site" password to get into the list and then change the "list"
password.  If you don't know your site password, the system admin will have
to give it to you.  If you *are* the system admin you can  reset the site
password with the ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass command

Jon Carnes

-----Original Message-----
From: Captain Zod [mailto:zod.mansour at xdrive.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 2:31 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Crack of a mailin list


Hello,
I have been running around trying to remember the password I set for a
maillist and I cannot remember it! How can I crack it and change or delete
the password for that particular maillist? I am running mailman 2.0.6 on
RedHat 7.2.
thx,

Zod Mansour
Sr. Network Architect
XDRIVE TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
zod.mansour at xdrive.com
310.301.5020


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From pgscholt at ole.augie.edu  Fri Jul 26 01:17:39 2002
From: pgscholt at ole.augie.edu (Peter Scholtz)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:17:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie error w/spaces in list names
Message-ID: 

Hi all!

Here's my problem: apparently Mailman 2.1b2 allows spaces in list 
names.  Fine.  That's handy, but when I try to log in to the newly 
created admin page for such a list, I get this cookie error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.1b2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

...

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
     main()
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 82, in main
     cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')):
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 208, in 
WebAuthenticate
     print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 224, in MakeCookie
     c[key] = binascii.hexlify(marshal.dumps((issued, mac)))
   File "/usr/src/build/87651-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/Cookie.py", 
line 585, in __setitem__
     self.__set(key, rval, cval)
   File "/usr/src/build/87651-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/Cookie.py", 
line 578, in __set
     M.set(key, real_value, coded_value)
   File "/usr/src/build/87651-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/Cookie.py", 
line 456, in set
     raise CookieError("Illegal key value: %s" % key)
CookieError: Illegal key value: chess club+admin

I can only assume this has to do with the space in the list name.  This 
isn't a huge problem, but if Mailman's going to allow spaces, it should 
handle them correctly.  At least, is there any way to prohibit the 
creation of lists with spaces built in to Mailman (e.g. it gives the 
user feedback and they can go back and fix this, or Mailman could 
automatically remove spaces or replace them with hyphens or underscores)?

Thanks!

--Peter

*****************************
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From dbui at staff.chariot.net.au  Fri Jul 26 01:37:54 2002
From: dbui at staff.chariot.net.au (Dat Bui)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:07:54 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020720164640.009f39e0@mail.ninetimesblue.com>
Message-ID: <0a0001c23434$4ca01ae0$3353190a@chariot.net.au>

> Hello. I have a mailing list that is run by Mailman - it was a feature 
> provided by one of my domain hosts. I'm thinking about transferring my 
> domain to a new host, and was wondering how complicated it is to 
> transfer/set up Mailman with a new host?

It's easy!...... no wait... it was very hard.... *shrugs*




From mailman at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us  Fri Jul 26 01:58:00 2002
From: mailman at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access Forbidden
Message-ID: 

I setup mailman, added a list, and now I get "You don't have permission to
access /mailman/test/admin on this server". I am not exactly sure what is
wrong. This happened with the .rpm install and the install from source. I
would assume I set the group wrong when configuring, but this doesn't
explain why it did the same thing with the .rpm install. Is this the
problem?

Mike Tuller




From sarnold at arnolds.dhs.org  Fri Jul 26 04:30:34 2002
From: sarnold at arnolds.dhs.org (Steve Arnold)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:30:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: decision help
References: <20020725160006.8202.1380.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3D40B44A.6030107@arnolds.dhs.org>

  Don Cooley wrote:

[snip]
> 
> Looks like I have three options:
> 1.  Commercial Hosting

Expensive but they should have responsive tech support.  Only do 
this if you can afford it, and make sure they have 24/7 response to 
problems.  I would tend to do it myself (wait a minute - I do!)  See 
below.

> 2.  Do-it-yourself

Since you have DSL, if you're willing to try running it yourself, 
this is the best option (IMHO).  Yes, you can do it.  You mentioned 
RedHat, which is pretty easy to install and configure.  Yes it'll 
take some time to learn the ins and outs, but it's worth the 
investment.  This option puts you in control, but it also makes you 
responsible.  You don't need fast hardware; I have an old P-120 with 
40 megs of ram and an 18 gig SCSI drive, on an inexpensive UPS, 
connected to my DSL circuit.  It's got 305 days of uptime now (since 
the last PG&E power outage that went 6 hours) and almost 2 years 
before that.  It runs postfix, mailman, bind, ntp, apache, samba, 
cups, ipchains, etc, and it handles it just fine (your email load is 
minimal, in spite of the other guy's comment).

Take advantage of the one guy's offer, and have him help you with 
the initial setup and security configuration on-site.  I can help 
you with the rest (but you have to be willing to do some homework 
yourself).  I can also point you to a nice discount hardware site if 
you need parts.

You can buy your own domain name for less than $10/year, and that 
should be your total cost (except for the hardware and DSL circuit). 
  There are other low cost (and even free) domain name options as 
well.  You shouldn't need to route mail through your ISP.

I'll actually be there next month for the LinuxWorld conference, so 
we can meet up if you like.

Go ahead, take the plunge.  You'll be glad you did.

> 3.  sympathetic sysadmin

This might seem like a good idea at first, but what happens when 
that person leaves, or new management comes in?  You'd have no 
control (and no leverage).

Let me know if you need any help (feel free to contact me directly).

Steve

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From dan at scarfies.net  Fri Jul 26 05:15:06 2002
From: dan at scarfies.net (Dan Clark)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:15:06 +1200 (NZST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation error on FreeBSD and Apache 1.3
Message-ID: <200207260315.g6Q3F6a77377@togogo.net.nz>

Hi all I receive this error when attempting a 'make install' from the BSD
ports.
-------------------------
configure: error:
***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details
===>  Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
fmt: max length must be greater than goal length
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman.
-------------------------
I would assume this has something to do with Apache's config?

Any ideas would be helpful
Regards
Dan



From barry at zope.com  Fri Jul 26 05:41:09 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Mm documentation server change
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020724112046.035f0338@staffmail.imsa.edu>
Message-ID: <15680.50389.801863.329973@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CK" == Christopher Kolar  writes:

    CK> IMSA will be making some significant server changes this
    CK> weekend, changes that will impact the location of the Mailman
    CK> documents that we host.  The new URL will be:

    CK>          http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman

    CK> The pages will no longer be hosted on www.imsa.edu.  There
    CK> will be NO URL FORWARDING when the change is made this
    CK> Saturday morning, so please change links as necessary.

Thanks for the update Chris.  I've fixed the web page and will push it
out when I push out the new beta.  Should I update the hyperlink to
your name to be http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar as well?

-Barry



From anclo at anclo.com  Fri Jul 26 06:43:51 2002
From: anclo at anclo.com (Anclo)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:43:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 MIME & Apache
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020726003937.03373e50@imap.3dresearch.com>

How do I configure MM2.1 so it "tells" Apache the attachments' MIME type?

Thank you for any suggestions...

Anclo




From wash at wananchi.com  Fri Jul 26 07:34:16 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:34:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation error on FreeBSD and Apache 1.3
In-Reply-To: <200207260315.g6Q3F6a77377@togogo.net.nz>
References: <200207260315.g6Q3F6a77377@togogo.net.nz>
Message-ID: <20020726053416.GG48637@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Dan Clark  [20020726 06:13]: wrote:
> Hi all I receive this error when attempting a 'make install' from the BSD
> ports.
> -------------------------
> configure: error:
> ***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
> ***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
> ***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
> ***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
> ***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details
> ===>  Script "configure" failed unexpectedly.
> fmt: max length must be greater than goal length
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/ports/mail/mailman.
> -------------------------
> I would assume this has something to do with Apache's config?
> 
> Any ideas would be helpful
> Regards
> Dan


What's the version (`make options` will show that). The latest in the
ports tree is 2.0.12. I edited the Makefile and changed the GID to that
of my MTA (for my own convenience). However, it should be able to create
the user and the group without complaining. Maybe you should cvsup and get
the latest.


-Wash

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From carmoda at zip.com.au  Fri Jul 26 08:13:53 2002
From: carmoda at zip.com.au (Anthony Carmody)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:13:53 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP my qrunner log file is HUGE!
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have an huge qurunner file in my mailman/logs directory. what can i do to
clear it and ensure it wont get this bloody huge again?




From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Fri Jul 26 08:38:03 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 23:38:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP my qrunner log file is HUGE!
References: 
Message-ID: <3D40EE4B.17FD898C@whidbey.com>

Anthony,

What's in it that's making it so huge? Mine consists only of lines like this:

     Jun 19 17:55:03 2002 (973) Could not acquire qrunner lock

I'll get a spate of them, then none for a while, then another couple of screens
worth a month or two later. My /home/mailman/logs/qrunner is about 120K after 18
months.

Van

Anthony Carmody wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have an huge qurunner file in my mailman/logs directory. what can i do to
> clear it and ensure it wont get this bloody huge again?
>
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From wash at wananchi.com  Fri Jul 26 07:40:32 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:40:32 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig cron issue
Message-ID: <20020726054032.GI48637@ns2.wananchi.com>

Since I am not a python coder, I thought I may ask the list about this:


----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon  -----

Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 52, in ?
    from Mailman.Archiver import HyperArch
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 855
    "htdig_extras" = mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS,
                   ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

----- End forwarded message -----




-Wash

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	#1040 Your income tax refund cheque bounces.



From polavarapur at convergent.com  Fri Jul 26 00:14:46 2002
From: polavarapur at convergent.com (Raghuveer Polavarapu)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:14:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuring Mailman with an MTA running on a different box
Message-ID: 

Hi Guys
I wanted to find out how to configure Mailman so that I can make it work
when my MTA is running on a different box. I have my Mailman installed on a
box thats running Red Hat Linux 7.3, but this one doesnt have a DNS entry or
anything and hence I wanted to use a different box that has DNS entry and
can be used as my MTA. So what configuration would I have to do on my box
running Mailman and what configuration would I have to do on my box running
my MTA which is SendMail (its also a linux platofrm).
Please let me know.


thanks
raghu





From polavarapur at convergent.com  Fri Jul 26 15:42:34 2002
From: polavarapur at convergent.com (Raghuveer Polavarapu)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:42:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and MTA running on different boxes
In-Reply-To: <3D40EE4B.17FD898C@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: 

Hi guys
I am trying to install Mailman on RedHat Linux and actually have installed
it, now I am trying to configure it to with an MTA on a different box thats
also running Linux (Different flavour but uses SendMail as MTA). I am
following the INSTALL guide that came with the installtion and am in Step 4)
Final System Setup, but I am not sure how to configure Mailman so that it
would work with the MTA on my other box (this one has a DNS entry and is one
of our mail servers) and also how to configure my MTA (using SendMail as MTA
on my mailserver) to get it working with Mailman. COuld anyone please let me
know how to do this or atleast pointers to resources on how to do this. In
the install guide it talks about adding aliases for 'mailman' and
'mailman-owner' to the system's mail alias database. But I am not sure if
this needs to be done on the box where Mailman is installed or my other box
that is our mail server that's our MTA. Also In step5) Customize Mailman, it
says to configure mm_cfg.py to override the defaukts in Defaults.py(like
Default Host Name, Default URL, SMTP Host and SMTP port), so when I override
these in mm-cfg.py, which host name and URL should I use (Is that the host
name of the box running Mailman or the one running my MTA; Also for the
SMTPHost and SMTPPort what values should I use). Could someone please let me
know these details or atleast point to resources where I can find this
information.

thanks
raghu
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From ned at nedprod.com  Fri Jul 26 15:49:29 2002
From: ned at nedprod.com (Niall Douglas)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:49:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish list suggestion
Message-ID: <3D416F89.18532.79CF56FC@localhost>

May I suggest a new feature, that being to send the list emails to
(for example): To: "ned at nedprod.com"  ... or
somehow include the receiver's email address into the "To:" field. I
suggest this because it's becoming very common for mail systems to
bounce anything not directly addressed to the recipient - this is of
course to filter out a lot of spam. By just getting the recipient 
email address in there (even if it isn't used), you can get around 
this problem.

Cheers,
Niall Douglas




From gege at nst.pku.edu.cn  Fri Jul 26 15:40:34 2002
From: gege at nst.pku.edu.cn (Ares Liu)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:40:34 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Tutor] A question about Mailman soft.  [hacking Mailman for fun and profit]
References: 
Message-ID: <010001c234aa$07448190$8300a8c0@jadeite.com>

The mail I sent to tutor was with a Unicode encoded Subject line as follow:

Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_=5BTutor=5D_=E6=B5=8B=E8=AF=95_for_test_pls_igno?=
 =?utf-8?Q?re.?=
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:43:05 +0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

Your module did not handle utf-8 encode marker ?utf-8? :-) Decoded subject is
=?utf-8?Q?Re:_[Tutor]_\xe6\xb5\x8b\xe8\xaf\x95_for_test_pls_igno? =?utf-8?Q?re.?
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2 chinese words displayed in Idle. It's normal.

The mail I sent to my list was with base64 encoded Subject line as follow:

Subject: =?gb2312?B?UmU6IFtUZXN0XSCy4srUsuLK1A==?=
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:43:53 +0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="gb2312"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

When I changed your module from 
        mimetools.encode(StringIO.StringIO(s), outputfile, 'quoted-pritable') 
to 
        mimetools.encode(StringIO.StringIO(s), outputfile, 'base64')

I get an error: incorrect padding. 
Then I delete "?gb2312?B?" from string. I get real string. 

'Re: [Test] \xb2\xe2\xca\xd4\xb2\xe2\xca\xd4'
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 4 chinese words displayed in Idle.

So a working module must handle encode marker firstly,  and then decode the subject.

-Ares

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danny Yoo" 
To: "Ares Liu" 
Cc: ; 
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Tutor] A question about Mailman soft. [hacking Mailman for fun and profit]


> [Note: I'm CC'ing mailman-users as this might be useful for them.
> Hopefully, they'll correct my hack by telling me the right way to do this.
> *grin*]
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Ares Liu wrote:
> 
> > I checked the archive mail on mailman list. Some one had discussed this
> > question before.
> 
> Do you have a link to that archived message?  I'm interested in looking at
> this, just for curiosity's sake.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > The reason is if I use no English words in the Subject Line, The
> > language code marker will added in fornt of "Re:"and encoding the
> > Subject as sth like "=?gb2312?B2xxxxxxxx?=".
> 
> Yes, it looks like it wraps it in some kind of encoding... utf-8?  I wish
> I knew more about Unicode.
> 
> 
> 
> > It is surely that mailman could not search any reply keyword. So, added
> > prefix again.
> 
> 
> I think I understand better now.  The problem is that the encoding leaves
> many of the characters alone, but transforms the braces in:
> 
>     '[Tutor]'
> 
> to something like:
> 
>     '=5BTutor=5D'
> 
> I'm guessing this because 0x5b and 0x5D are the ascii codes for braces:
> 
> ###
> >>> chr(0x5b)
> '['
> >>> chr(0x5d)
> ']'
> ###
> 
> 
> 
> Hmmmm.  Wait.  I've seen these characters before.  Is this MIME encoding?
> MIME encoding is often used in representing language strings in email
> because almost all systems can handle it.
> 
> ###
> >>> def mydecode(s):
> ...     outputfile = StringIO.StringIO()
> ...     mimetools.decode(StringIO.StringIO(s), outputfile,
> 'quoted-printable')
> ...     return outputfile.getvalue()
> ...
> >>> mydecode('=5BTutor=5D')
> '[Tutor]'
> ###
> 
> Ah ha!  It looks like it!  Good!
> 
> 
> 
> In this case, maybe we can extend that check in
> Handlers.CookHeaders.process() to take this particular encoding into
> consideration: if we decode the header back to normal, then the prefix
> check will work.
> 
> 
> 
> If you're feeling adventurous, and if you're comfortable editing Python,
> you can add this file, 'quoted_printable_decoder.py' in the
> 'Mailman/Handlers/' directory of Mailman:
> 
> ######
> ## quoted_printable_decoder.py
> 
> import StringIO, mimetools
> def decode_quoted_printable(s):
>     """Given a mime 'quoted-printable' string s, returns its decoding.
> If anything bad happens, returns s."""
>     try:
>         outputfile = StringIO.StringIO()
>         mimetools.decode(StringIO.StringIO(s), outputfile,
>                          'quoted-printable')
>         return outputfile.getvalue()
>     except:
>         return s
> ###
> 
> This new module will convert the header and change all the '=5B' and '=5D'
> characters back into braces if it can do so safely.  We'll be using it in
> a moment.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Once you've added this module, within the same directory, let's modify
> CookHeaders.py to use this function.
> 
> And make backups, because I have not tested this yet!  *grin*
> 
> 
> 
> Add at the top of the CookHeaders module:
> 
> ###
> from quoted_printable_decoder import decode_quoted_printable
> ###
> 
> so that Cookheaders knows about our new function.  Finally, modify the
> check in the Cookheaders.process() function:
> 
> ###
>         elif prefix and not re.search(re.escape(prefix), subject, re.I):
> ###
> 
> 
> into:
> 
> ###
>         elif prefix\
>              and not re.search(re.escape(prefix), subject, re.I)\
>              and not re.search(re.escape(prefix),
>                                decode_quoted_printable(subject), re.I)
> ###
> 
> 
> I've modified the logic to include the prefix check on the decoded subject
> header.  Ares, if this works, I'll send the patch over to the Mailman
> folks.  Who knows; it might be useful for someone else out there.  *grin*
> 
> 
> 
> Best of wishes to you!

From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Fri Jul 26 17:08:38 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:08:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP my qrunner log file is HUGE!
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020726080219.00a33920@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 11:13 PM 7/25/02, Anthony Carmody wrote:
>I have an huge qurunner file in my mailman/logs directory. what can i do to
>clear it and ensure it wont get this bloody huge again?

Mailman doesn't rotate its own logs. You have to do it yourself. There are many ways to do this. I use the following simple script called once a day from cron.

#!/bin/sh
# Rotate the Mailman logs
# Bob Weissman 7/11/02

# keep this many versions of each log
KEEP_VERSIONS=7

LOG_DIR=$HOME/logs
LOGS='bounce error qrunner subscribe digest post smtp vette'

cd $LOG_DIR
umask 002

for LOG in $LOGS
do
    # Only rotate a log if it is non-empty
    if test -s $LOG
    then
        J=`expr $KEEP_VERSIONS - 1`
        while [ $J -gt 0 ]
        do
            I=`expr $J - 1`
            test -s $LOG.$I && mv -f $LOG.$I $LOG.$J
            J=$I
        done
        mv -f $LOG $LOG.0
        > $LOG
    fi
done

exit 0





From tmiller at nethawk.com  Fri Jul 26 17:51:47 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:51:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribes
In-Reply-To: <200207252000.48364.stefaans@pop.co.za>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020726114806.03500458@mail.nethawk.com>

Go to your membership management interface web page for that list and dump the list of email addresses you want to subscribe in the box at the bottom of the page. 

At 02:00 PM 7/25/2002, Stefaans Mostert wrote:

>Hallo all
>
>I made a little mistake I created a list and and subcribed a number of people 
>on there using the add_members script.
>I subscribed evereyone as confirm and approval.
>
>Now most of them do not understand that they must reply.
>How can I make them all active ?
>This is just a distrebution list of parents from a highschool so all of them 
>want to be there.
>In future how do I mass subscribe people so that they are created ready for 
>action ?
>
>Please help.
>
>Stefaans
>
>-- 
>No M$ products were used,or employees harmed,
>In creating this e-mail
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From tmiller at nethawk.com  Fri Jul 26 17:57:05 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:57:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the 'From' header
In-Reply-To: <200207191156.g6JBuKY14820@rszemeti.demon.co.uk>
References: <559484.1027080582@[192.168.215.120]>
 <559484.1027080582@[192.168.215.120]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020726115448.00b16eb8@mail.nethawk.com>

Try this:
On the Privacy Options page select "Yes" for the item "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address (Removes From, Sender and Reply-To fields)"


At 07:56 AM 7/19/2002, robin szemeti wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'd like the 'From:' header to be:
>
>From: My Name 
>
>rather than 
>
>From: listname-admin at domain.tld
>
>is this possible to do from the click-and-drool interface or do I need to 
>change something deeper in the code?
>
>-- 
>Robin Szemeti
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From wash at wananchi.com  Fri Jul 26 19:43:48 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:43:48 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py ??
Message-ID: <20020726174348.GJ10196@ns2.wananchi.com>

Okay, since noone responded to this, I am sending it again, this
time calling it a small bug (typo, maybe):

This is about htdig intergration;

The error from nightly_htdig cron:

Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 52, in ?
    from Mailman.Archiver import HyperArch
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 855
    "htdig_extras" = mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS,
                   ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax



Maybe :g/"htdig_extras" = mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS/s//"htdig_extras":mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS/g

does the trick??

I've done that and I await the error 2morrow ;-)




        cheers
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From maddoc at maddoc.net  Fri Jul 26 23:27:27 2002
From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:27:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripmime not working
Message-ID: <200207262127.g6QLRRk29597@mail.maddoc.com>

I am pulling my hair (what little there is left of it)

Trying to make stripmime.pl work with Mailman.

aliases:

listname: "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post 
listname"

running sendmail with smrsh... not getting any errors but stripmime.pl is not 
removing and MIME.

I ran stripmime.pl on the command line to test it and it works there.

Anyone have any ideas?

I've poured over Mailmans FAQs and everything i can find on this. 

Thanks,

-Doc Schneider




From larry at guestfamily.com  Fri Jul 26 23:48:42 2002
From: larry at guestfamily.com (Larry Guest)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:48:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command line script for list creation
Message-ID: 

I have my defaults set so it makes the list the way I want, but there are a
few options  that I need to change based on what type of list I am creating.
Right now I have to log into the GUI to make these changes and add the
members.  If I could do all this via command line it would me much faster.

What I need is a script that not only makes the list for you (like
"newlist") but will then ask you about the different option you can set for
the list.  Things like, list name, list prefix, list footers, Kb messages
size, members, etc.  Also it would be great if it could show you what it
will add to the /etc/alias file (sendmail) and then add it and run
newaliases.

There must be something like this out there.  Does anyone know about such a
tool??

Thanks




From alex at phred.org  Sat Jul 27 00:04:01 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:04:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripmime not working
In-Reply-To: <200207262127.g6QLRRk29597@mail.maddoc.com>
Message-ID: <20020726150336.W80567-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Doc Schneider wrote:
> I am pulling my hair (what little there is left of it)
>
> Trying to make stripmime.pl work with Mailman.
>
> aliases:
>
> listname: "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> listname"
>
> running sendmail with smrsh... not getting any errors but stripmime.pl is not
> removing and MIME.
>
> I ran stripmime.pl on the command line to test it and it works there.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?

smrsh won't allow you to run piped commands.  You need to make a
shell script which contains both commands, then point your alias
at that.

alex




From peewee at scc.mi.org  Sat Jul 27 00:04:23 2002
From: peewee at scc.mi.org (Jason Wright)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:04:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b2 pipermail private archives content-type bug?
Message-ID: <20020726220423.GA13420@scc.mi.org>

i have a fresh install of 2.1b2 up and running under debian/woody.
i'm looking to migrate a list that's currently running under majordomo
for which i have almost five years of accumulated archives.  i'm trying
2.1b2 rather than 2.0.12 primarily because i hope to replace my cobbled
web archives with the mailman builtin.  this is a closed, private list
and binary attachements are on-charter, so the 2.0.x pipermail won't work
for me.  the installation itself went smoothly and everything appears to
be working.  the only hitch i found was when i went to test pipermail's
new mime decoding:

balance: ] mutt -a sacred_chao.jpg -s sacred_chao.jpg \
	scc-l at manos.scc.mi.org

when the archives are public, the resulting attachement link in the
achives works fine, which is to say that the content-type is set by
apache to image/jpeg.  however, when the archives are private, the
content-type for the attachement gets set to text/html, which causes
it not to display properly when loaded.  this is the case whether i
initially make the archives private or i make them public to begin with
and switch them to private after posting the message.  as far as i can
tell, when the archives are private, the content-type is getting set by
~mailman/cgi-bin/private as a cgi and not by apache's mime-types setting
for .jpg files.  is that the case?

of course, i want private archives, not public.

the only references to mailman in httpd.conf are the ones required
by the INSTALL file:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/

    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all

Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/var/archives/public/

    Options FollowSymLinks


i've searched google, the mailman-users archives and the sourceforce
bugs page for this, and i didn't come up with anything.  i could always
hook in mhonarc, but i really don't have very extravagent needs for
the archives, aside from downloadable links to binary attachements,
so i'd like to stay as simple as possible.  thanks!

PeeWee

-- 
smtp: peewee+sig at scc.mi.org http: http://www.scc.mi.org/peewee/ aim: antipwe
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or a pornographer, or sysadmin, or something like that."     --ryan p. zerby



From maddoc at maddoc.net  Sat Jul 27 00:16:00 2002
From: maddoc at maddoc.net (Doc Schneider)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:16:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripmime not working 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:04:01 PDT."
             <20020726150336.W80567-100000@phred.org> 
Message-ID: <200207262216.g6QMG0k31425@mail.maddoc.com>

Hey I got it to work! Woohoo!

Thanks to those who replied!

-Doc 

> smrsh won't allow you to run piped commands.  You need to make a
> shell script which contains both commands, then point your alias
> at that.
> 
> alex
> 





From Keizi at mail.co.kr  Sat Jul 27 15:22:27 2002
From: Keizi at mail.co.kr (Kang Jeong-Hee)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:22:27 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILHOST and WWWHOST for localhost.localdomain
Message-ID: <20020727132227.GA1137@localhost.localdomain>

Hi.

I'm giving a try to modify mailman reflecting my idea for a feature.
as first step, installing mailman, I've found mailman installation
does strange setting for MAILHOST and WWWHOST.

the INSTALL describe that MAILHOST respect WWWHOST if set.
so I did not set both *HOST. and 'newmail' command send mail
to 'test-admin at localdomain', not locahost. localdomain is unknown for system.

then, I did a heck setting MAILHOST only to 'mail.localhost'
expecting '@localhost' applied to mailman setting.
yeah, it works. but then, another problem: the URL for http
is www.localhost now. if I set WWWHOST to 'localhost',
this time MAILHOST set to 'mail.localhost' is unknown.

I think it should set each MAILHOST and WWWHOST seperate,
not respectively each other. how about you?



From lgbt at usstudents.org  Fri Jul 26 20:41:27 2002
From: lgbt at usstudents.org (Caeden Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:41:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <002601c234d4$0f252980$0e00005a@lgbt>

I am having problems unsubscribing someone from my listserv.  Somehow
the address was listed as

"JLOwens at csufresno.edu (notice quotation mark at beginning).  This
person is receiving mail.  When I try to unsubscribe the address I get
this message:
 

Error Unsubscribing:

*	jlowens at csufresno.edu> 
How can I remove this address from my list?
 
Caeden
 
 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Caeden Dempsey
LGBT Student Empowerment Project 
United States Student Association
202.347.8772
lgbt at usstudents.org
www.usstudents.org
 
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From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sat Jul 27 19:19:24 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <002601c234d4$0f252980$0e00005a@lgbt>
References: <002601c234d4$0f252980$0e00005a@lgbt>
Message-ID: <20020727101924.6102f671.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:41:27 -0400
Caeden Dempsey "Caeden Dempsey"  wrote:

> I am having problems unsubscribing someone from my listserv. 
> Somehow
> the address was listed as
>

> "JLOwens at csufresno.edu (notice quotation mark at beginning).  This
> person is receiving mail.  When I try to unsubscribe the address I
> get
> this message:
>  
> 
> Error Unsubscribing:
> 
> *	jlowens at csufresno.edu> 
> How can I remove this address from my list?
>  
> Caeden

Caeden,

Can't you use the web interface to remove the person from the list?

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
Be faithful to that which exists nowhere but in yourself - and thus
make yourself indispensable.
  --Andre Gide




From tmiller at nethawk.com  Sat Jul 27 20:54:11 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:54:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <002601c234d4$0f252980$0e00005a@lgbt>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727144820.02e74d10@mail.nethawk.com>

I had a similar problem with a list several weeks back.  It wasn't the same characters but the situation was the same.  No method I tried including removing it from the command line and trying to rebuild the lists .db file worked.  I finally started restoring the back-up .db files for the list until I found one where the address was not corrupted.

Tim


At 02:41 PM 7/26/2002, Caeden Dempsey wrote:

>I am having problems unsubscribing someone from my listserv.  Somehow the address was listed as "JLOwens at csufresno.edu (notice quotation mark at beginning).  This person is receiving mail.  When I try to unsubscribe the address I get this message:
>
> 
>
>
>Error Unsubscribing:
>
>    * jlowens at csufresno.edu>  
>How can I remove this address from my list?
>
> 
>
>Caeden
>
> 
>
> 
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Caeden Dempsey
>
>LGBT Student Empowerment Project 
>
>United States Student Association
>
>202.347.8772
>
>lgbt at usstudents.org
>
>www.usstudents.org
>
> 




From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Sat Jul 27 21:21:15 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:21:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727144820.02e74d10@mail.nethawk.com>
References: <002601c234d4$0f252980$0e00005a@lgbt>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020727121828.009efe30@rlw.best.vwh.net>

I just tried it on a test list, and the remove_members command did the trick, at least in version 2.0.11. Caeden should be able to do
        remove_members qsep \"jlowens at csufresno.edu

If that doesn't work, try upgrading to 2.0.11 or better.

- Bob

At 11:54 AM 7/27/02, Tim Miller wrote:
>I had a similar problem with a list several weeks back.  It wasn't the same characters but the situation was the same.  No method I tried including removing it from the command line and trying to rebuild the lists .db file worked.  I finally started restoring the back-up .db files for the list until I found one where the address was not corrupted.
>
>Tim
>
>
>At 02:41 PM 7/26/2002, Caeden Dempsey wrote:
>
>>I am having problems unsubscribing someone from my listserv.  Somehow the address was listed as "JLOwens at csufresno.edu (notice quotation mark at beginning).  This person is receiving mail.  When I try to unsubscribe the address I get this message:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>Error Unsubscribing:
>>
>>    * jlowens at csufresno.edu>  
>>How can I remove this address from my list?
>>
>> 
>>
>>Caeden
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Caeden Dempsey
>>
>>LGBT Student Empowerment Project 
>>
>>United States Student Association
>>
>>202.347.8772
>>
>>lgbt at usstudents.org
>>
>>www.usstudents.org




From phil at glatz.com  Sat Jul 27 22:57:22 2002
From: phil at glatz.com (Phil Glatz)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:57:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up an outgoing-only list?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727135201.03e565f8@flawless.net>

Would Mailman be appropriate for an outgoing-only style list?

I'd like to the it to send newsletters and announcements, but not allow 
others to post.  I would be subscribing the members directly, from a list 
generated by a database.

I would allow members to unsubscribe themselves via an email or the web 
interface.  They would not be able to do anything else from the web 
interface, since none of the other features of a regular discussion list 
would be available.  I figure that allowing the administrator to be the 
only poster would solve most of the issues.

Maybe Mailman is overkill for this?  I like the ability to administer 
membership from the admin page, and to use it as a delivery agent.

If anyone is doing this, I'd appreciate any wisdom you've accumulated as 
far as configuration.




From polavarapur at convergent.com  Fri Jul 26 16:44:43 2002
From: polavarapur at convergent.com (Raghuveer Polavarapu)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:44:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Configuring Mailman with an MTA running on a different box
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hey guys
WHen I configure my mm_cfg.py file to override the defaults for hostname and
hosturl, do I need to have a DNS entry for the host or would it be ok just
to use a public IP address?

Also can I use a internal IP (priavte IP for use within the network or
should I sue a public IP)

thanks
raghu
-----Original Message-----
From: Raghuveer Polavarapu [mailto:polavarapur at convergent.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:15 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Configuring Mailman with an MTA running on a different box


Hi Guys
I wanted to find out how to configure Mailman so that I can make it work
when my MTA is running on a different box. I have my Mailman installed on a
box thats running Red Hat Linux 7.3, but this one doesnt have a DNS entry or
anything and hence I wanted to use a different box that has DNS entry and
can be used as my MTA. So what configuration would I have to do on my box
running Mailman and what configuration would I have to do on my box running
my MTA which is SendMail (its also a linux platofrm).
Please let me know.


thanks
raghu





From dyoo at hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu  Fri Jul 26 11:22:16 2002
From: dyoo at hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 02:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Tutor] A question about Mailman soft.  [hacking Mailman for
 fun and profit]
In-Reply-To: <005001c23471$6791c370$8300a8c0@jadeite.com>
Message-ID: 

[Note: I'm CC'ing mailman-users as this might be useful for them.
Hopefully, they'll correct my hack by telling me the right way to do this.
*grin*]



On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Ares Liu wrote:

> I checked the archive mail on mailman list. Some one had discussed this
> question before.

Do you have a link to that archived message?  I'm interested in looking at
this, just for curiosity's sake.




> The reason is if I use no English words in the Subject Line, The
> language code marker will added in fornt of "Re:"and encoding the
> Subject as sth like "=?gb2312?B2xxxxxxxx?=".

Yes, it looks like it wraps it in some kind of encoding... utf-8?  I wish
I knew more about Unicode.



> It is surely that mailman could not search any reply keyword. So, added
> prefix again.


I think I understand better now.  The problem is that the encoding leaves
many of the characters alone, but transforms the braces in:

    '[Tutor]'

to something like:

    '=5BTutor=5D'

I'm guessing this because 0x5b and 0x5D are the ascii codes for braces:

###
>>> chr(0x5b)
'['
>>> chr(0x5d)
']'
###



Hmmmm.  Wait.  I've seen these characters before.  Is this MIME encoding?
MIME encoding is often used in representing language strings in email
because almost all systems can handle it.

###
>>> def mydecode(s):
...     outputfile = StringIO.StringIO()
...     mimetools.decode(StringIO.StringIO(s), outputfile,
'quoted-printable')
...     return outputfile.getvalue()
...
>>> mydecode('=5BTutor=5D')
'[Tutor]'
###

Ah ha!  It looks like it!  Good!



In this case, maybe we can extend that check in
Handlers.CookHeaders.process() to take this particular encoding into
consideration: if we decode the header back to normal, then the prefix
check will work.



If you're feeling adventurous, and if you're comfortable editing Python,
you can add this file, 'quoted_printable_decoder.py' in the
'Mailman/Handlers/' directory of Mailman:

######
## quoted_printable_decoder.py

import StringIO, mimetools
def decode_quoted_printable(s):
    """Given a mime 'quoted-printable' string s, returns its decoding.
If anything bad happens, returns s."""
    try:
        outputfile = StringIO.StringIO()
        mimetools.decode(StringIO.StringIO(s), outputfile,
                         'quoted-printable')
        return outputfile.getvalue()
    except:
        return s
###

This new module will convert the header and change all the '=5B' and '=5D'
characters back into braces if it can do so safely.  We'll be using it in
a moment.




Once you've added this module, within the same directory, let's modify
CookHeaders.py to use this function.

And make backups, because I have not tested this yet!  *grin*



Add at the top of the CookHeaders module:

###
from quoted_printable_decoder import decode_quoted_printable
###

so that Cookheaders knows about our new function.  Finally, modify the
check in the Cookheaders.process() function:

###
        elif prefix and not re.search(re.escape(prefix), subject, re.I):
###


into:

###
        elif prefix\
             and not re.search(re.escape(prefix), subject, re.I)\
             and not re.search(re.escape(prefix),
                               decode_quoted_printable(subject), re.I)
###


I've modified the logic to include the prefix check on the decoded subject
header.  Ares, if this works, I'll send the patch over to the Mailman
folks.  Who knows; it might be useful for someone else out there.  *grin*



Best of wishes to you!




From FawadKhan at WoodsideNet.Com  Sat Jul 27 01:08:04 2002
From: FawadKhan at WoodsideNet.Com (Fawad Khan)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test  List - Mailman
Message-ID: <3FFBC907DD03A34CA4410C5C745DEB12B7F630@wnimail.WoodsideNet.Com>

After creating the test list when I try to send a mail to its address I
get the following message.

************************************************************************
**********************************************************
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	System Administrator  
> Sent:	Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:24 PM
> To:	'test at gold.eng.woodsidenet.com'
> Subject:	Undeliverable: testing testing 123 123 ...
> 
> Your message did not reach some or all of the intended recipients.
> 
>       Subject:	testing testing 123 123 ...
>       Sent:	7/25/2002 4:24 PM
> 
> The following recipient(s) could not be reached:
> 
>       'test at gold.eng.woodsidenet.com' on 7/25/2002 4:24 PM
>             The destination server for this recipient could not be
> found in Domain Name Service (DNS).  Please verify the email address
> and retry.  If that fails, contact your administrator.
************************************************************************
******************************************************
I asked my sysadmin and he said that there needs to be an alias for
test at gold.eng.woodsidenet.com
So that he can receive. Any idea what should that alias be? Or any other
way to resolve this issue?

I am running Mailman on  Solaris machine.

Thanks,
Fawad.
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From dpadilla at SDSC.EDU  Sat Jul 27 01:36:40 2002
From: dpadilla at SDSC.EDU (David Padilla)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:36:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Mailman FAQ Wizard
Message-ID: <3D41DD08.4C7B11B9@sdsc.edu>

I was using the Mailman FAQ Wizard 
	http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
earlier today, and now it is unavailable: I get a "Cannot find server or DNS Error" message when I
try to access it.

This has been a very useful feature.  Could you please look into getting it back up?

-- 
-David Padilla



From karhunhammas at Lserv.com  Sat Jul 27 18:07:50 2002
From: karhunhammas at Lserv.com (Beartooth)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:07:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] index & nomail for Mailman??
Message-ID: 

	Do things at all like "Set  Index" and "Set
 Nomail" exist for Mailman subscribers? I followed
Mailman-users long enough to conclude that it was beyond me to
administer on my own machine, and don't recall ever venturing to
ask.

	My favorite, of the lists I subscribe to, does run on
Mailman -- and is busier at times than I can keep up with.

	My second favorite, far busier than the first, runs on
listserv, fortunately for me. I keep it set to Index when I have
time for it at all, and to Nomail when I don't -- which has the
advantage that I am still subscribed, for purposes of the
restriction that says only subscribers can post. If something
urgent enough to need it should come up while I'm not receiving, I
*can* post it without hassling the moderators.

	I would like very much to do the same two things on the
favorite, but neither of the moderators there knows of a way.
They are moderators, after all, and very fine ones, too -- but not
managers; they don't go in for technicalia much, and have back-up
from people who do.

	If those options don't exist, under some name I fail to
guess, is there any hope of getting them in the forseeable future?

-- 
RR 'Beartooth' Neuswanger 
double retiree, linux hatchling running pine 4.43 on ISP's SunOS 5.8;
Opera 6.02, Pan 0.11.2, Galeon 1.2.5, & Mozilla 1.0 under RH 7.2
Keep in mind that I have no idea what I am talking about.






From listmom at travellercentral.com  Sun Jul 28 02:40:11 2002
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 17:40:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error running configure
Message-ID: 

Greetings all,

I am having trouble running the Configure script with Mailman 2.0.12

I run configure with any options and get:

Checking for CGI externsions ...no
./configure: test: unknown operator ==

Platforms is SunOS 5.8 (spark) with gcc

Any thoughts?  Version 2.0.9 configured and built without incident.

Thanks, Tod
-- 
listmom at travellercentral.com
for list information see
http://lists.travellercentral.com




From jwblist at olympus.net  Sun Jul 28 07:59:28 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig cron issue
In-Reply-To: <20020726054032.GI48637@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <20020726054032.GI48637@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: 

At 8:40 +0300 7/26/2002, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 855
>    "htdig_extras" = mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS,

The quotes around htdig_extras to the left of the = are highly suspect.

But I don't use htdig with Mailman, so I don't know what I'm talking about.
(I do know Python, which is what makes me suspect the quotes.)

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From wash at wananchi.com  Sun Jul 28 14:51:57 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:51:57 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig cron issue
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20020726054032.GI48637@ns2.wananchi.com> 
Message-ID: <20020728125157.GC8369@ns2.wananchi.com>

* John W Baxter  [20020728 09:01]: wrote:
> At 8:40 +0300 7/26/2002, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> >  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 855
> >    "htdig_extras" = mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS,
> 
> The quotes around htdig_extras to the left of the = are highly suspect.
> 
> But I don't use htdig with Mailman, so I don't know what I'm talking about.
> (I do know Python, which is what makes me suspect the quotes.)

I did not get any errors after I substitued : for the = so I guess it's okay
but again I don't know Python.



        cheers
       - wash 
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  before they enjoyed a leader of that caliber.'' (Sydney Webb)



From nielsene at MIT.EDU  Mon Jul 29 01:34:25 2002
From: nielsene at MIT.EDU (Eric D Nielsen)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/exim lockfile and uid problems
Message-ID: <200207282334.TAA28681@magic-pi-ball.mit.edu>

I appear to be having common problems judging from the search results on this
lists archives, but most of the posts received no replies.

I've installed Mailman and exim on a Debian (woody) box using apt-get.
I've read through README.Debian and README.Exim and made the required
changes to my exim.conf and httpd.conf file.  The mailing list administration
pages are all functioning.

I've created a list using newlist and added the entries it listed to 
/etc/aliases.  The email to list administrator arrived properly on remote 
account.  

Mail sent to the list (or -request) is getting lost in exim.
The first time I tried to send a message exim's mainlog showed:
2002-07-28 18:34:50 17Ywck-0000Ub-00 <= nielsene at MIT.EDU H=pacific-carrier-annex
.mit.edu [18.7.21.83] P=esmtp S=1201 id=200207282236.SAA24007 at magic-pi-ball.mit.
edu
2002-07-28 18:34:50 17Ywck-0000Ub-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the
 address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/var/lib/mailman/mail/w
rapper mailcmd test

with no entries in rejectlog or paniclog


Later mailings to the list generate:
2002-07-28 19:08:01 Start queue run: pid=2084
2002-07-28 19:08:01 17Ywck-0000Ub-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the
 address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/var/lib/mailman/mail/w
rapper mailcmd test
2002-07-28 19:08:01 End queue run: pid=2084
2002-07-28 19:08:01 17Yx8r-0000Xf-00 <= mail at ballroom.mit.edu U=mail P=local S=7
07
2002-07-28 19:08:02 17Yx8r-0000Xf-00 failed to open database lock file /var/spoo
l/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp.lockfile: Permission denied (euid=8 egid=8)
2002-07-28 19:08:02 17Yx8r-0000Xf-00 => nielsene at mit.edu 
 R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.mit.edu [18.7.21.83]
2002-07-28 19:08:02 17Yx8r-0000Xf-00 Completed

With the following in paniclog:
2002-07-28 19:08:01 17Ywck-0000Ub-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor the
 address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of |/var/lib/mailman/mail/w
rapper mailcmd test

ls -l of /var/spool/exim/db
total 8
-rw-r-----    1 mail     mail         4096 Jul 27 00:53 retry
-rw-r-----    1 mail     mail            0 Jul 27 00:53 retry.lockfile
-rw-r-----    1 root     root         4096 Jul 27 01:05 wait-remote_smtp
-rw-r-----    1 root     root            0 Jul 27 01:05 wait-remote_smtp.lockfile
The wait-remote_* were initially owned by mail and according to exim.org should
stillbe owned by mail.  If I chown them back to mail:mail the first error
message regarding the lockfile disppears on the first message sent, but then
they revert root:root and that error returns.

The lists here and on exim.org mention that the second problem, ("Neither the
system_aslias director ... set a uid...") is caused by missing a 
user = username entry for the _transports.

All the transports have the user = MAILMAN_UID line as directed by the
README.Exim.  MAILMAN_UID has been set to both list (as suggested in 
README.Exim) and to mail as sugested on the exim.org lists.  In all cases, the
same error message result.

The directors portion mentions that order matters, yet the README does not
specifiy where they should go.  I've tried a few positions (beginning, end,
middle) again none work.

What key point have I been missing?

Eric




From marc_news at merlins.org  Mon Jul 29 05:15:45 2002
From: marc_news at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 20:15:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Exim 4.05
In-Reply-To: <1026705615.6063.434.camel@office.openconcept.ca>
References: <1026705615.6063.434.camel@office.openconcept.ca>
Message-ID: <20020729031545.GF9133@merlins.org>

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 12:00:12AM -0400, Mike Gifford wrote:
> If this isn't the case, please let me know, but I could not find a
> Directors config file section in 4.05, but could find one prominently in
> 3.33.

MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/mailman
MAILMAN20_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
MAILMAN_UID=mail
MAILMAN_GID=mail


(...)

begin routers

# We want this router first in case we have a list named something like
# mailman-owner
mm21_main_director:
    driver = accept
    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.pck
    transport = mm21_transport

mm21_director:
    driver = accept
    require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.pck
    local_part_suffix = "-bounces:-bounces+*:-confirm+*:-join:-leave:-owner:-request:-admin"
    transport = mm21_transport


# Mailman 2.0 routers to support mailman lists without explicit aliases
mm20_owner_director:
  driver = redirect
  allow_defer
  allow_fail
  data = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
  local_part_suffix = "-owner"
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
  retry_use_local_part

owner_mm20_director:
  driver = redirect
  allow_defer
  allow_fail
  data = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
  local_part_prefix = "owner-"
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
  retry_use_local_part

mm20_admin_director:
  driver = accept
  local_part_suffix = -admin
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
  retry_use_local_part
  transport = mm20_admin_transport

mm20_request_director:
  driver = accept
  local_part_suffix = -request
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
  retry_use_local_part
  transport = mm20_request_transport

mm20_director:
  driver = accept
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.db
  retry_use_local_part
  transport = mm20_transport

(...)
begin transports

## For Mailman 2.1, you only need one transport, albeit with a rather
## elaborate command...
mm21_transport:
    driver = pipe
    # In case you wonder, substr_2 removes the leading '-'
    # and the regex removes optional +foo=hostname that can be after -bounce
    # (if you use VERP) -- Marc
    command = MAILMAN_WRAP "${if def:local_part_suffix{${substr_2:{${sg{${lc:$local_part_suffix}}{\\\\\+.*}{}}}}{post}}" ${lc:$local_part}
    current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
    home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
    user = MAILMAN_UID
    group = MAILMAN_GID

# Mailman 2.0 commands to run
mm20_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN20_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

mm20_request_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN20_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

mm20_admin_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN20_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID


Marc
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From vbbartakke at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 29 09:04:48 2002
From: vbbartakke at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?vinod=20bartakke?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:04:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and News server
Message-ID: <20020729070448.17248.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I am new to Mailman (and this list too).
I have a Red Hat 7.2 box running Mailman 2.0.6-1 and
news server(INN 2.3.2-5). I want to integrate Mailman
with this news server so that users can
access/post/modify NEWS from the web interface of the
Mailman. Is it possible? 
if yes, how to configure it? or where can I get the
relevent information (URLs) ? 
Thanks a lot in advance,

Regards,
Vin

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jul 29 11:00:40 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:00:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + HTDig cron issue
In-Reply-To: <20020726054032.GI48637@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729095350.0315ffa0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 08:40 26/07/2002 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

>Since I am not a python coder, I thought I may ask the list about this:
>
>
>----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon  -----
>
>Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S 
>/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig", line 52, in ?
>     from Mailman.Archiver import HyperArch
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 855
>     "htdig_extras" = mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS,
>                    ^
>SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>
>----- End forwarded message -----
>

This is coding error that crept into the initial version of the 
mailman-htdig integration patch 444884 when it was built.  There is a 
replacement version posted as htdig-2.0.12-0.2.patch at 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 
and a comment saying the earlier version htdig-2.0.12-0.1.patch has an 
error in it and should not be used.

Alternatively edit the line in error to read:

         "htdig_extras": mm_cfg.HTDIG_EXTRAS,




From wash at wananchi.com  Mon Jul 29 11:13:55 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:13:55 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTdig intergration pb
Message-ID: <20020729091355.GJ71055@ns2.wananchi.com>

Maybe someone who has successfully intergrated HTDig and Mailman can help me.

I've been trying to get this to work but problems keep creeping in.
I've followed the INSTALL.htdig-mm (almost to the letter) but I do feel
I am not quite correct in the setting that I have and so I get errors
like this:


htdig: Unable to find configuration file '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'
htmerge: Unable to find configuration file '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'



Mailman is installed in /usr/local/mailman
HTDig config file is in /usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig.conf

From what I read in the the file elections-2002.conf should be created automatically, yes?

Is someone able to spot a problem with the values below (from mm_cfg.py) with reference
to the values I've given above?

# HTDIG

ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE = ''
ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE = ''
USE_HTDIG = 1

# These below are the defaults, anyway
HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/htdig'
HTDIG_SEARCH_URL = '/cgi-bin/htsearch'
HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/'
HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig')
HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig'
HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'
REMOTE_HTDIG = 0






        cheers
       - wash 
----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
 Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)
 http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,
 GSM: (254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
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						 --from a /. post

++
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  Most Western countries would have to have a military coup
  before they enjoyed a leader of that caliber.'' (Sydney Webb)



From tismer at tismer.com  Mon Jul 29 11:54:40 2002
From: tismer at tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:54:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Understanding "nomail"
Message-ID: <3D4510E0.20902@tismer.com>

Hi Barry,

I have a short question concerning Mailman and "nomail".
12 out of 145 members of my Stackless list have the "nomail"
flag set.
I see this flag can be set from the config UI, but I also
think to remember that mailman sets this flag after being
unable to deliver emails for a while?

Now I would like to reach these members and to figure out if
they are still interested or just don't think of the list
since they never get any messages. Is it correct to switch
nomail off for them and send some test message?
Is it common that people use this flag (so I should
respect it) or is it more common that Mailman sets it?
And do these people also get no mailman remainder messages?
Then it might be likely that they are just nominal members.

Too much questions to be called "short", but finally it
is short: How should list admins deal with "nomail"?

thanks - chris
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jul 29 12:50:37 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:50:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTdig intergration pb
In-Reply-To: <20020729091355.GJ71055@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729103342.0315ffa0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 12:13 29/07/2002 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>Maybe someone who has successfully intergrated HTDig and Mailman can help me.
>
>I've been trying to get this to work but problems keep creeping in.
>I've followed the INSTALL.htdig-mm (almost to the letter) but I do feel
>I am not quite correct in the setting that I have and so I get errors
>like this:
>
>
>htdig: Unable to find configuration file 
>'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'
>htmerge: Unable to find configuration file 
>'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'
>

You do not say but I assume this output is generated when 
$prefix/cron/nightly_htdig is run and in turns runs the htdig rundig script?

Does this file exist?

The path looks plausible from what you say below. These per list htdig 
config files are created when the _first_ message is posted after/when the 
list has archiving enabled and the mailman-htdig patches are installed.

Is there any evidence in the Mailman logs of problems for Mailman writing 
these htdig config files?

Just one thought about the location of the Mailman archives directory under 
/usr/local/mailman. Does the mailman user and group have write permission 
for /usr/local/mailman/archives and all its subdirectories.

When the per list htdig config is created, it is created in 
.../archives/private//htdig/.conf and a symbolic link 
to that file is created as .../archives/htdig/.conf.

htsearch programs reach the config file via that symbolic link and the link 
named per the HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK value.

In your case it looks like you will have created a symbolic link 
/usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig-mailman pointing to 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig

In your case, htsearch programs will be trying to access 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private//htdig/.conf via 
the path /usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig-mailman/.conf

Let me know if this info helps you find a solution.


>Mailman is installed in /usr/local/mailman
>HTDig config file is in /usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig.conf
>
> From what I read in the the file elections-2002.conf should be created 
> automatically, yes?
>Is someone able to spot a problem with the values below (from mm_cfg.py) 
>with reference
>to the values I've given above?
>
># HTDIG
>
>ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE = ''
>ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE = ''
>USE_HTDIG = 1
>
># These below are the defaults, anyway
>HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/htdig'
>HTDIG_SEARCH_URL = '/cgi-bin/htsearch'
>HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/'
>HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig')
>HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig'
>HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'
>REMOTE_HTDIG = 0




From wash at wananchi.com  Mon Jul 29 13:31:53 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:31:53 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTdig intergration pb
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729103342.0315ffa0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <20020729091355.GJ71055@ns2.wananchi.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020729103342.0315ffa0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20020729113153.GA6631@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Richard Barrett  [20020729 13:50]: wrote:
> At 12:13 29/07/2002 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> >Maybe someone who has successfully intergrated HTDig and Mailman can help 
> >me.
> >
> >I've been trying to get this to work but problems keep creeping in.
> >I've followed the INSTALL.htdig-mm (almost to the letter) but I do feel
> >I am not quite correct in the setting that I have and so I get errors
> >like this:
> >
> >
> >htdig: Unable to find configuration file 
> >'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'
> >htmerge: Unable to find configuration file 
> >'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'
> >
> 
> You do not say but I assume this output is generated when 
> $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig is run and in turns runs the htdig rundig script?
> 
> Does this file exist?


The file doesn't exist. I don't remember the INSTALL howto saying I should create
it though.


> The path looks plausible from what you say below. These per list htdig 
> config files are created when the _first_ message is posted after/when the 
> list has archiving enabled and the mailman-htdig patches are installed.

That is what I remember reading, so I am right afterall ;-)
People have posted to the list. I even did that manually the day I applied the
patch (after doing the configuration).

> Is there any evidence in the Mailman logs of problems for Mailman writing 
> these htdig config files?

The latest I have in the error log is:

Jul 26 16:35:05 2002 (28897) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: elections-2002
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187): Traceback (most recent call last):
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):     h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 691, in __init__
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):     self.setup_htdig()
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 849, in setup_htdig
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):     d = {'databases': list_htdig_dir,
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187): AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'HTDIG_EXTRAS'
Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 (44187) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: elections-2002


> Just one thought about the location of the Mailman archives directory under 
> /usr/local/mailman. Does the mailman user and group have write permission 
> for /usr/local/mailman/archives and all its subdirectories.

Yes, user mailman can write there.

[root at ns2]#su - mailman
$ pwd
/usr/local/mailman
$ cd archives
$ printf "Test test" > wash
$ cat wash
Test test$ 

The directories are owned by root:mailman and are SETGID 


> When the per list htdig config is created, it is created in 
> .../archives/private//htdig/.conf and a symbolic link 
> to that file is created as .../archives/htdig/.conf.
> htsearch programs reach the config file via that symbolic link and the link 
> named per the HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK value.
> 
> In your case it looks like you will have created a symbolic link 
> /usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig-mailman pointing to 
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig

Your observation is correct. Did I have to create the symlink manually?? because
that is what I did. Should I rm the symlink I created, as your observation
seems to suggest that the symlink is auto created, somehow????



> In your case, htsearch programs will be trying to access 
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private//htdig/.conf via 
> the path /usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig-mailman/.conf

Which is weird, yes???


> Let me know if this info helps you find a solution.


One more feedback from you and I hope to be in the right track. Just if you can
find time to answer my questions above.



mtia for your help.


        cheers
       - wash 
----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
 Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)
 http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,
 GSM: (254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post



From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Mon Jul 29 13:51:40 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:51:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTdig intergration pb
In-Reply-To: <20020729113153.GA6631@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Odhiambo Washington wrote:

> * Richard Barrett  [20020729 13:50]: wrote:
> > At 12:13 29/07/2002 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> > >Maybe someone who has successfully intergrated HTDig and Mailman can help 
> > >me.
> > >
> > >I've been trying to get this to work but problems keep creeping in.
> > >I've followed the INSTALL.htdig-mm (almost to the letter) but I do feel
> > >I am not quite correct in the setting that I have and so I get errors
> > >like this:
> > >
> > >
> > >htdig: Unable to find configuration file 
> > >'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'
> > >htmerge: Unable to find configuration file 
> > >'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-2002.conf'
> > >
> > 

I had some difficulties with htdog (sic) as well. It assumes too much. I solved
problems by first specifying a lot of explicit paths:

./configure --prefix=/fs/mailman/search \
 --with-config-dir=/fs/mailman/wwwconfig \
 --with-common-dir=/fs/mailman/wwwconfig \
 --with-database-dir=/fs/mailman/wwwdb \
 --with-cgi-bin-dir=/fs/mailman/cgi-bin \
 --with-image-dir=/fs/lists/htdocs/htdig \
 --with-search-dir=/fs/lists/htdocs/htdig 

Then building the initial database using as much verbosity as possible:
/fs/mailman/search/bin/rundig -c /fs/mailman/wwwconfig/htdig.conf -s -v
and starting the cronjob with same
/fs/mailman/search/bin/rundig -c /fs/mailman/wwwconfig/htdig.conf -s -v

The "-v" in both of the above should show you what it's looking for.
(I just happen to break apart wwwdb and common purposely to reduce the
possibility of a deadlock on cron rebuild and cp from wwwdb in common
later)


 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland 
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies   




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jul 29 14:27:23 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:27:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTdig intergration pb
In-Reply-To: <20020729113153.GA6631@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729103342.0315ffa0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <20020729091355.GJ71055@ns2.wananchi.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020729103342.0315ffa0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729124207.031537c0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:31 29/07/2002 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
>* Richard Barrett  [20020729 13:50]: wrote:
> > At 12:13 29/07/2002 +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> > >Maybe someone who has successfully intergrated HTDig and Mailman can help
> > >me.
> > >
> > >I've been trying to get this to work but problems keep creeping in.
> > >I've followed the INSTALL.htdig-mm (almost to the letter) but I do feel
> > >I am not quite correct in the setting that I have and so I get errors
> > >like this:
> > >
> > >
> > >htdig: Unable to find configuration file
> > >'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-200 
> 2.conf'
> > >htmerge: Unable to find configuration file
> > >'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/elections-2002/htdig/elections-200 
> 2.conf'
> > >
> >
> > You do not say but I assume this output is generated when
> > $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig is run and in turns runs the htdig rundig 
> script?
> >
> > Does this file exist?
>
>
>The file doesn't exist. I don't remember the INSTALL howto saying I should 
>create
>it though.

You do not create it explicitly yourself. The mailman-htdig patch code 
generates these per list htdig conf files automatically.


> > The path looks plausible from what you say below. These per list htdig
> > config files are created when the _first_ message is posted after/when the
> > list has archiving enabled and the mailman-htdig patches are installed.
>
>That is what I remember reading, so I am right afterall ;-)
>People have posted to the list. I even did that manually the day I applied the
>patch (after doing the configuration).
>
> > Is there any evidence in the Mailman logs of problems for Mailman writing
> > these htdig config files?
>
>The latest I have in the error log is:
>
>Jul 26 16:35:05 2002 (28897) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: elections-2002
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187): Traceback (most recent call last):
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):   File 
>"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 220, in ArchiveMail
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):     h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(self)
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):   File 
>"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 691, in __init__
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):     self.setup_htdig()
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):   File 
>"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 849, in setup_htdig
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187):     d = {'databases': list_htdig_dir,
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 qrunner(44187): AttributeError: 'module' object has 
>no attribute 'HTDIG_EXTRAS'
>Jul 27 10:04:31 2002 (44187) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: elections-2002

I think this is the cause of the problem. The function which creates the 
per list htdig.conf file has failed before completing its task.

The problem encountered is that it cannot find the variable HTDIG_EXTRAS 
defined in either $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py

Correctly applied to your Mailman build directory, the 444884 
htdig-2.0.12-0.2.patch
file should have added the HTDIG_EXTRAS variable to 
$build/Mailman/Defaults.py.in and the subsequent 'make install' should have 
transferred that definition to $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py

A quick hack would be to add the following line to your 
$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:

         HTDIG_EXTRAS = ""

But this begs the question of why applying the patches to your Mailman 
build directory and running 'make install' did not do the right thing.

Whether you decide to just hack the value into mm_cfg.py or not you should 
also run the $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig script to clear out all partially 
constructed htdig related stuff from the Mailman directories. The next 
message to the archived lists should then provoke construction of the per 
list htdig stuff. Check your error log to see if any further problems are 
being notified; hopefully there will not be any.

Which version of patches 444879 and 444884  did you actually apply to which 
version of Mailman?

> > Just one thought about the location of the Mailman archives directory 
> under
> > /usr/local/mailman. Does the mailman user and group have write permission
> > for /usr/local/mailman/archives and all its subdirectories.
>
>Yes, user mailman can write there.
>
>[root at ns2]#su - mailman
>$ pwd
>/usr/local/mailman
>$ cd archives
>$ printf "Test test" > wash
>$ cat wash
>Test test$
>
>The directories are owned by root:mailman and are SETGID
>
>
> > When the per list htdig config is created, it is created in
> > .../archives/private//htdig/.conf and a symbolic link
> > to that file is created as .../archives/htdig/.conf.
> > htsearch programs reach the config file via that symbolic link and the 
> link
> > named per the HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK value.
> >
> > In your case it looks like you will have created a symbolic link
> > /usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig-mailman pointing to
> > /usr/local/mailman/archives/htdig
>
>Your observation is correct. Did I have to create the symlink manually?? 
>because
>that is what I did. Should I rm the symlink I created, as your observation
>seems to suggest that the symlink is auto created, somehow????

Sorry if I confused you. You did the right thing the first time. The single 
htdig-mailman link has to be created by hand during installation. The 
subsequent and secondary per list links are created automatically.



> > In your case, htsearch programs will be trying to access
> > /usr/local/mailman/archives/private//htdig/.conf via
> > the path /usr/local/etc/htdig/htdig-mailman/.conf
>
>Which is weird, yes???

Not really that wierd. The htsearch program run as a cgi-bin script due to 
the search form expects htdig config files to be in the htdig CONFIG_DIR 
which is baked in when htdig is 'make'd'. The htdig-mailman link, which 
must be in htdig's CONFIG_DIR, gets it to look in the .../archives/htdig 
directory in Mailman's file structure for the per list htdig config files. 
The links in that directory give access to the per list per list htidg 
config files which are actually in .../archives/private//htdig/. 
This later directory also ends up containing the per list htdig search 
indexes created by rundig (which is run by $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig). 
This setup keeps everything htdig'ish for a list in the one place.


> > Let me know if this info helps you find a solution.
>
>
>One more feedback from you and I hope to be in the right track. Just if 
>you can
>find time to answer my questions above.
>
>
>
>mtia for your help.
>
>
>         cheers
>        - wash
>----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
>  Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)
>  http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/         . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,
>  GSM: (254) 722 743 223                 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI
>----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------
>"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"
>                                                 --from a /. post




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Jul 29 14:54:51 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:54:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Understanding "nomail"
In-Reply-To: <3D4510E0.20902@tismer.com>
Message-ID: <000901c236ff$214b5260$0b04010a@JCARNES>

If your lists are closed so that only members may post, then your users will
use the "nomail" option to subscribe other email addresses that they use.

As an example, I have a home email address and a work email address.  I am
subscribe to this list with both email addresses, so I can post from either
work or home.

However, I only want a copy of the list messages to come to one of those
addresses.  I don't need a copy of every list message to come to both my
work and my home mailboxes.

Jon Carnes
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Tismer [mailto:tismer at tismer.com]
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:55 AM
To: Barry A. Warsaw
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Understanding "nomail"


Hi Barry,

I have a short question concerning Mailman and "nomail".
12 out of 145 members of my Stackless list have the "nomail"
flag set.
I see this flag can be set from the config UI, but I also
think to remember that mailman sets this flag after being
unable to deliver emails for a while?

Now I would like to reach these members and to figure out if
they are still interested or just don't think of the list
since they never get any messages. Is it correct to switch
nomail off for them and send some test message?
Is it common that people use this flag (so I should
respect it) or is it more common that Mailman sets it?
And do these people also get no mailman remainder messages?
Then it might be likely that they are just nominal members.

Too much questions to be called "short", but finally it
is short: How should list admins deal with "nomail"?

thanks - chris
--
Christian Tismer             :^)   
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From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Mon Jul 29 15:07:00 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 29 Jul 2002 14:07:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Understanding "nomail"
In-Reply-To: <3D4510E0.20902@tismer.com>
References: <3D4510E0.20902@tismer.com>
Message-ID: <1027948020.1646.34.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Mon, 2002-07-29 at 10:54, Christian Tismer wrote:
> Now I would like to reach these members and to figure out if
> they are still interested or just don't think of the list
> since they never get any messages. Is it correct to switch
> nomail off for them and send some test message?
> Is it common that people use this flag (so I should
> respect it) or is it more common that Mailman sets it?
> And do these people also get no mailman remainder messages?
> Then it might be likely that they are just nominal members.

People who have nomail set will still get the monthly password reminders
to prod them that they do have this subscription.

Other than that nomail is normally used to allow posting from addresses
other than that which receives the mail - I myself have a number of
nomail accounts set on various lists.

	Nigel.
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Jul 29 15:18:46 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 29 Jul 2002 15:18:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command line script for list creation
In-Reply-To: Larry Guest's message of "Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:48:42 -0700"
References: 
Message-ID: 

Larry Guest  writes:

> What I need is a script that not only makes the list for you (like
> "newlist") but will then ask you about the different option you can set for
> the list.  Things like, list name, list prefix, list footers, Kb messages
> size, members, etc.

I think i wouldt only go with the webinterface. Or you define it for
all new lists in mm-cfg.py.

> Also it would be great if it could show you what it
> will add to the /etc/alias file (sendmail) and then add it and run
> newaliases.

Take this an change it for your wishes. It's in german language i
think you understand it.

,----
| #!/bin/sh
| 
| LISTENNAME=$1
| LISTENADMIN=$2
| PASSWORT=$3
| 
| if test "$#" -ne 3; then
| 
|     echo "Wie soll die neue Liste heissen?"
|     read LISTENNAME
|     if test -z "$LISTENNAME"; then
|         echo "Bitte einen Listennamen angeben!"
|         exit 1
|     else
|         echo "Wie lautet die Mailadresse des Listenadmin?"
|         read LISTENADMIN
|         if test -z "$LISTENADMIN"; then
|             echo "Bitte die Mailadresse des Listenadmins angeben!"
|             exit 1
|         else
|             echo "Bitte geben Sie ein Passwort ein!"
|             read PASSWORT
|             if test -z "$PASSWORT"; then
|                 echo "Bitte ein Passwort eingeben!"
|                 exit 1
|             else
|                 newlist -o /etc/aliases.mailman "$LISTENNAME" "$LISTENADMIN" "$P
|                 sudo /usr/bin/newaliases
|             fi
|         fi
|     fi
|     
| else
|     newlist -o /etc/aliases.mailman "$LISTENNAME" "$LISTENADMIN" "$PASSWORT"
|     sudo /usr/bin/newaliases
| fi
`----

My MTA is Postfix and i use an extra aliases file for mailman lists.

,----
| mailman:~ # postconf -n
| alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman
| alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman
`----

,----
| mailman:~ # ls -l /etc/aliases.mailman
| -rw-rw-r--    1 root     mailman     14415 Jul 18 11:22 /etc/aliases.mailman
`----

,----[ /etc/sudoers ]
| mailman mailman=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/newaliases
`----


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From jphekman at arborius.net  Mon Jul 29 15:50:31 2002
From: jphekman at arborius.net (Jessica Perry Hekman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Machine name problems
Message-ID: 

I recently installed mailman on a Debian 3.0 machine (to which I do have 
sudo root access, but only because the admins are nice to me, and I am not 
really allowed to change much). I set up a test list:

test:                    "|/etc/mail/smrsh/mailman_wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/etc/mail/smrsh/mailman_wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/etc/mail/smrsh/mailman_wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

When I send mail to test, something unfortunate happens:

 Jul 29 09:35:14 suberic sm-mta[29557]: g6TDZEnw029557: 
 from=, size=461, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
 msgid=, 
 proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=dsl092-069-177.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net 
 [66.92.69.177]

 Jul 29 09:35:15 suberic sm-mta[29560]: g6TDZEnw029557: 
 to="|/etc/mail/smrsh/mailman_wrapper post test", 
 ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, 
 mailer=prog, pri=30689, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

 Jul 29 09:36:02 suberic sm-mta[29575]: g6TDa2nw029575: 
 ruleset=check_mail, arg1=, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=553 5.1.8 
 ... Domain of sender address test-admin at net does not 
 exist

 Jul 29 09:36:02 suberic sm-mta[29575]: g6TDa2nw029575: 
 from=, size=1282, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, 
 daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]

The machine's name is suberic.net, but somehow mailman is contructing a 
domain of just "net", so we get addresses like "test-admin at net", which 
clearly don't work. So mail to the list is accepted, but does not get 
propogated out to the list recipients.

Python version on this machine is

  Python 2.1.3 (#1, Apr 20 2002, 10:14:34) 
  [GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2

I have not had much luck getting the admins to upgrade to Python 2.2 
(things depend on the other version). I am not sure that this is the 
problem, anyways. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Jessica

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From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Mon Jul 29 16:28:14 2002
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:28:14 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to 2 lists
Message-ID: <002401c2370c$2d1c4d80$291e6a8f@matrix>

Hello, everybody !!!

First of all, please, sorry for my terrible english !
My name is Alessandro, and I am a System Analist of Brazil.
I work in State University of Campinas (UNICAMP), in Computing Center.


We have a situation here:
In our principal server, we have the Mailman list server + Postfix working.
When anyone try to send a message in 2 lists simultaneously (into "TO" field),
only one list delivery the message ... the other, I have no idea what's happens ...

I created two list for tests purposes: teste1-l and teste2-l
When I send a message to the lists (eg. teste1-l, teste2-l), only teste-2 delivery the message 
for me ... teste1-l appers to be dead !

When I try the inverse, the same occurs, but in the inverse order (teste1-l delivery the message, teste2-l do nothing! )

Can anyone help me ? It
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From barry at zope.com  Mon Jul 29 16:48:20 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:48:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Understanding "nomail"
References: <3D4510E0.20902@tismer.com>
Message-ID: <15685.21940.927311.431204@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer  writes:

    CT> Hi Barry,

Hi Chris!

    CT> I have a short question concerning Mailman and "nomail".  12
    CT> out of 145 members of my Stackless list have the "nomail" flag
    CT> set.  I see this flag can be set from the config UI, but I
    CT> also think to remember that mailman sets this flag after being
    CT> unable to deliver emails for a while?

    CT> Now I would like to reach these members and to figure out if
    CT> they are still interested or just don't think of the list
    CT> since they never get any messages. Is it correct to switch
    CT> nomail off for them and send some test message?
    CT> Is it common that people use this flag (so I should
    CT> respect it) or is it more common that Mailman sets it?
    CT> And do these people also get no mailman remainder messages?
    CT> Then it might be likely that they are just nominal members.

    CT> Too much questions to be called "short", but finally it
    CT> is short: How should list admins deal with "nomail"?

Unfortunately, in MM2.0.x, the `nomail' flag has multiple meanings.
It's both the flag users flip to stop receiving mail for a while
(e.g. they're on vacation), and the flag that Mailman's bounce
detector flips if it's seen a lot of bounces from a user.  The admin
can also flip this flag for whatever reason.

In MM2.0.x you can't know why the flag was enabled, so in general I
don't think it's a great idea to just toggle the flag off and start
delivering mail to all your users.  You could write a script that
trolls through the membership, looking for folks with that flag set
and then send them a specific reminder, but that's a fair bit of work.

MM2.1 is, of course, much better.  Not only do you now know exactly
why that flag was flipped, but there's a cron script that you can use
to do the "hey, your subscription is disabled" reminder.  When you
upgrade to MM2.1, anybody who's flag is currently set unfortunately
gets the "unknown" reason for the flag, but you can tell the cron
script to start notifying the unknown-disables and then after X number
of notifications, delete them or whatever you want.

-Barry




From tismer at tismer.com  Mon Jul 29 17:28:51 2002
From: tismer at tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:28:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Understanding "nomail"
References: <3D4510E0.20902@tismer.com> <15685.21940.927311.431204@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3D455F33.7050709@tismer.com>

Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
...

> In MM2.0.x you can't know why the flag was enabled, so in general I
> don't think it's a great idea to just toggle the flag off and start
> delivering mail to all your users.  You could write a script that
> trolls through the membership, looking for folks with that flag set
> and then send them a specific reminder, but that's a fair bit of work.

I see. That's in fact not too easy.

> MM2.1 is, of course, much better.  Not only do you now know exactly
> why that flag was flipped, but there's a cron script that you can use
> to do the "hey, your subscription is disabled" reminder.  When you
> upgrade to MM2.1, anybody who's flag is currently set unfortunately
> gets the "unknown" reason for the flag, but you can tell the cron
> script to start notifying the unknown-disables and then after X number
> of notifications, delete them or whatever you want.

So I should move to MM2.1 ASAP. :-)

Thanks a lot for the enlightment,
and congrats for the great improvements in Mailman!
It appears that it has blown away Majordomo almost
completely...

ciao - chris

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From barry at zope.com  Mon Jul 29 17:32:06 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:32:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Understanding "nomail"
References: <3D4510E0.20902@tismer.com>
	<15685.21940.927311.431204@anthem.wooz.org>
	<3D455F33.7050709@tismer.com>
Message-ID: <15685.24566.905517.150144@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "CT" == Christian Tismer  writes:

    CT> So I should move to MM2.1 ASAP. :-)

    CT> Thanks a lot for the enlightment,
    CT> and congrats for the great improvements in Mailman!
    CT> It appears that it has blown away Majordomo almost
    CT> completely...

Now if I can just finish it up... :)

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Mon Jul 29 17:54:27 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:54:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from Woodie Sayles
Message-ID: <15685.25907.422758.259410@anthem.wooz.org>

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From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Mon Jul 29 18:32:15 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:32:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from Woodie Sayles
In-Reply-To: <15685.25907.422758.259410@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729093010.00a2d710@rlw.best.vwh.net>

At 08:54 AM 7/29/02, Woodie Sayles wrote:
>I have list members who have subscribed as theirname at abc.edu, but when they
>send an email out, it goes out under the name theirname at mail.abc.edu. We
>can't subscribe every member under two emails, so I'm wondering if the Alias
>Names will work for this situation. If so, how? Or, if anyone has any other
>suggestions on this, I would appreciate hearing them.

Isn't this exactly what SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH is for?

        # When true, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the same address as
        # user at domain.  If set to 0, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the
        # same address as user at Host.DoMain, but different than user at domain.  Usernames
        # will always be case preserved, and host parts of addresses will all be
        # lowercased.
        SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1

- Bob




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Jul 29 18:43:43 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:43:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to 2 lists
In-Reply-To: <002401c2370c$2d1c4d80$291e6a8f@matrix>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729162248.04480780@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 11:28 29/07/2002 -0300, Alessandro Luiz Petrocino wrote:
>Hello, everybody !!!
>
>First of all, please, sorry for my terrible english !
>My name is Alessandro, and I am a System Analist of Brazil.
>I work in State University of Campinas (UNICAMP), in Computing Center.
>
>
>We have a situation here:
>In our principal server, we have the Mailman list server + Postfix working.
>When anyone try to send a message in 2 lists simultaneously (into "TO" field),
>only one list delivery the message ... the other, I have no idea what's 
>happens ...
>
>I created two list for tests purposes: teste1-l and teste2-l
>When I send a message to the lists (eg. teste1-l, teste2-l), only teste-2 
>delivery the message
>for me ... teste1-l appers to be dead !
>
>When I try the inverse, the same occurs, but in the inverse order 
>(teste1-l delivery the message, teste2-l do nothing! )
>
>Can anyone help me ? I

Just for interest I tried this on our system with two lists. If found that:

1. Our MTA (Sendmail) log showed the message inbound from my MUA; in fact 
from my MUA via our main mail server

2. The Mailman $prefix/logs/post log had the post of the message to each of 
the two lists

3. The Mailman $prefix/logs/smtp log had the post of the message to each of 
the two lists

However, like you, I only received one message from Mailman, on behalf of 
one of the two lists to which the post was made.

When I did some further checking, it looks as though the message out by 
Mailman from the second list has been removed by our imap/pop server. The 
way we have that configured, it it gets for
delivery multiple messages with the same value in their Message-ID header 
it only delivers the first of them: same id, same message so I suppose this 
is valid.

In practice, this looks as though it is OK as long as the end users get at 
least one of the two messages sent out by Mailman if they are one one or 
the other or both of the lists. The fact they only get one message if they 
are on both lists means they have less clutter in their inbox.

Could your imap/pop server be configured to do something similar?

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From techgrrl at beeze.com  Mon Jul 29 18:48:39 2002
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:48:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Will Alias Names work for this?
Message-ID: <018d01c2371f$ccdec2e0$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

Smartest way to fix this is to find the following setting in your mm_cfg.py and set it accordingly:

# When true, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the same address as
# user at domain.  If set to 0, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the
# same address as user at Host.DoMain, but different than user at domain.  Usernames
# will always be case preserved, and host parts of addresses will all be
# lowercased.
SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Woodie Sayles" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:45 AM
Subject: Will Alias Names work for this?


> I have list members who have subscribed as theirname at abc.edu, but when they
> send an email out, it goes out under the name theirname at mail.abc.edu. We
> can't subscribe every member under two emails, so I'm wondering if the Alias
> Names will work for this situation. If so, how? Or, if anyone has any other
> suggestions on this, I would appreciate hearing them.
> 
> 
> 
> Woodie Sayles
> Webfoot.Net
> woodie at webfoot.net
> (727) 442-5770
> (727) 442-3380 - fax
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From barry at zope.com  Mon Jul 29 19:50:31 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:50:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.0.13
Message-ID: <15685.32871.578530.632994@anthem.wooz.org>

I've released Mailman 2.0.13 which fixes some incompatibilties with
Python 1.5.2 that crept into Mailman 2.0.12.  This also fixes a minor
configure incompatibility on Solaris platforms (and possibly others).

If you're using Python 1.5.2 with Mailman 2.0.12 you should definitely
upgrade.  The upgrade is safe if you're using newer Python versions
too.  See the NEWS file excerpt below.

As usual, I've made both full source tarballs and patches available.
See

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

for links to download all the patches and the source tarball.  If you
decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=97760

See also:

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sf.net

Cheers,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.0.13 (29-Jul-2002)

    - Fixed some Python 1.5.2 compatibility problems that crept into
      Mailman 2.0.12.

    - Fixed some configure script incompatibilities on certain
      platforms.




From wash at wananchi.com  Mon Jul 29 20:26:41 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:26:41 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Obscurity of e-mail addresses don't work!!
Message-ID: <20020729182641.GE17847@ns2.wananchi.com>

The option to "obscure_addresses (privacy): " is set to Yes, but still
raw e-mail address shows on list archives. Why??

2.0.13 here.



        cheers
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From ECobb at ldl.net  Mon Jul 29 20:35:43 2002
From: ECobb at ldl.net (Eric Cobb)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:35:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation/transfer
Message-ID: <0A2DF9ADAE9E254F96E4717EA41DAC0C1ACADE@ntserver3.cns.net>

Hi,
	I'm trying to transfer an existing mailing list with several groups
from one server to another.  I'm going from RedHat 7.2 to RedHat 7.3.  I
have everything transferred over and the lists and groups are there, but
whenever anyone tries to post a message, the email gets returned. It doesn't
recognize the "mailman-list at whatever.com" address.  Has anyone ever run into
this sort of thing before?  I don't want to create new groups, I just need
it to recognize the existing list manager email address for each group.

Any ideas? 

Thanks,

Eric





From jennyfan28 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 29 21:11:42 2002
From: jennyfan28 at yahoo.com (jenny fan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:11:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] warning email for registered user
Message-ID: <20020729191142.19079.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,

I am new to the Mailman. Is that possible to send a
warning email to a registered user when he trys to
register again? This will be very helpful to our
central registration form which includes the mailing
list service. Because it's very hard to retrieve the
confirmation page info for every online service,
asking user to check the confirmation email will be a
good work around.

Thanks for your attention,

Jenny

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From brian at casa.net  Mon Jul 29 21:39:52 2002
From: brian at casa.net (Brian)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:39:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] looking for auto-rejection for all bcc posting
Message-ID: <012001c23737$bd406c40$9901a8c0@mp3server>

Is there a way of auto-rejecting any mail that is set to a list via a
BCC address & And I don't want it held for approval.

 

 

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From sean at hst.org.za  Mon Jul 29 23:16:27 2002
From: sean at hst.org.za (Sean Preston)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:16:27 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAilman 2.1 Release
Message-ID: <1027977387.3d45b0ab1ff36@mail.hst.org.za>

Hi

Sorry if this is the wrong list to post this but I have been testing Mailman 
2.1 B2 for a while and was wondering when 2.1 was going to be released as 
stable.

Thanks
Sean

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System Administrator & Developer
Health Systems Trust (www.hst.org.za)



From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Mon Jul 29 23:16:45 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:16:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up 2.1b2 so that only a number of people can post
Message-ID: <20020729211645.GK30544@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hi.

I'd like to setup a list running on Mailman 2.1b2 so, that only a
certain number of people can post to a list.  Ie. I'm looking for a way
to have this mailman list act as a "newsletter".  In 2.0.x I had found a
way.  But the server where I had set this up, is now down, so I cannot
check how I did it there...

Thanks,

Alexander Skwar
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From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Mon Jul 29 23:17:06 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:17:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto ./configure with VMailMgr (qmail)?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20020714195239.GR8012@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com> 
Message-ID: <20020729211706.GL30544@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

So sprach Detlef Neubauer am 2002-07-15 um 10:01:39 +0200 :
> README.QMAIL

Thanks!  Didn't think that it was that easy ;)  Now I've got it running.

Alexander Skwar
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From slaniel at laniels.org  Mon Jul 29 23:26:00 2002
From: slaniel at laniels.org (Stephen R Laniel)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:26:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get to authentication screen, die when page loads
Message-ID: <20020729212600.GA6080@laniels.org>

Hi folks,

This one's bugging me: I just installed mailman yesterday, so there's
probably a newbie's explanation for it, but I can't find an answer in
the documentation or FAQs.

1) I can load the admin front page:



2) If I select a particular list that I created (click the lone link in
the admin page above), I get prompted for a password, and

3) If I enter the wrong password, I get the "authentication failed"
error, but

4) If I enter the right password, I get

  Bug in Mailman version 2.0.12

  We're sorry, we hit a bug!

  Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
  traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
  but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

and I can't continue. That is, I can't do any mailman admin tasks for
any of my lists. I doubt there's actually a bug; it's probably just
newbian problems.

Permissions on my mailman directories look fine:

  slaniel at bertrandrussell:/var/lib$ ls -d mailman
  drwxrwsr-x    8 root     list         4096 Jul 29 12:23 mailman

  slaniel at bertrandrussell:/usr/lib/cgi-bin$ ls -d mailman
  drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 Jul 29 10:21 mailman

I think Apache's fine, or I wouldn't have been able to load *any*
mailman admin pages, right?

Any thoughts on what might be the issue here?

Thanks,
Steve

-- 
"The gift of compressing the largest number of words into the
 smallest amount of thought"
-Winston Churchill, on Prime Minister Ramsay McDonald
 (whom Churchill also labeled "the boneless wonder")

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From billie at web.ca  Sun Jul 28 02:49:56 2002
From: billie at web.ca (Billie Carroll)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 20:49:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PDF file attachments?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727204854.00a80900@pop.web.ca>

Can I send a pdf file as an attachment to a list?

thanks
Billie

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From shekarp at pcweb.com  Sun Jul 28 04:05:52 2002
From: shekarp at pcweb.com (Shekar)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:05:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Few questions...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020727185858.00af3a00@www.pcweb.com>

The web interface was great to administrate the my lists. But off late, it 
is not working for me. I login and then try to submit change or navigate to 
other pages and keeps asking me the password again. I have verified it is 
not a browser problem, meaning it is enabled for cookies.

Till I try to figure out what happened to my web interface, I need a 
command line way to set an additional administrator. Also when I try to use 
the current administrator to send messages to the list it still complains 
that he is not allowed to send message to the list.

Please help. I cannot add to the mailman users group because when I try 
that link, it comes back page not found. May be the server is down.

Thanks
Shekar




From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Sun Jul 28 18:34:47 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:34:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up 2.1b2 so that only a number of people can post
Message-ID: <20020728163447.GS22404@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

Hi.

I'd like to setup a list running on Mailman 2.1b2 so, that only a
certain number of people can post to a list.  Ie. I'm looking for a way
to have this mailman list act as a "newsletter".  In 2.0.x I had found a
way.  But the server where I had set this up, is now down, so I cannot
check how I did it there...

Thanks,

Alexander Skwar
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From lists.ASkwar at email-server.info  Sun Jul 28 18:31:45 2002
From: lists.ASkwar at email-server.info (Alexander Skwar)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:31:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto ./configure with VMailMgr (qmail)?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20020714195239.GR8012@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com> 
Message-ID: <20020728163145.GR22404@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>

So sprach Detlef Neubauer am 2002-07-15 um 10:01:39 +0200 :
> README.QMAIL

Thanks!  Didn't think that it was that easy ;)  Now I've got it running.

Alexander Skwar
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From mailman at cloudtown.com  Sun Jul 28 23:13:22 2002
From: mailman at cloudtown.com (mailman at cloudtown.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:13:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman idea.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020728161142.009e86c0@cloudtown.com>

I know I have created a maillist for all my friends so if I am leaving
I can email them all at once.  I just run into the problem every now
and then that i can remember whose emails is whose.  Is there a
way to add an option for people to maybe enter there there name,
be it first with last initial or someting.  Just something to help
identify whose email is whose??

Thanks.
LB




From aris.santillan at summitmedia.com.ph  Mon Jul 29 14:52:18 2002
From: aris.santillan at summitmedia.com.ph (Aris Santillan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:52:18 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] numbers of Mail Subscribers...
Message-ID: 

hello

where can i locate the copy of the email subscribers? 
i need the flat files where the list of email subscribers per list

Aris Santillan



From scba at beeze.com  Mon Jul 29 18:28:11 2002
From: scba at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:28:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Will Alias Names work for this?
References: <000201c23716$fffe0180$6401a8c0@woodie>
Message-ID: <014401c2371c$f1479f10$7941a8c0@home.beeze.com>

Smartest way to fix this is to find the following setting in your mm_cfg.py and set it accordingly:

# When true, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the same address as
# user at domain.  If set to 0, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the
# same address as user at Host.DoMain, but different than user at domain.  Usernames
# will always be case preserved, and host parts of addresses will all be
# lowercased.
SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Woodie Sayles" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:45 AM
Subject: Will Alias Names work for this?


> I have list members who have subscribed as theirname at abc.edu, but when they
> send an email out, it goes out under the name theirname at mail.abc.edu. We
> can't subscribe every member under two emails, so I'm wondering if the Alias
> Names will work for this situation. If so, how? Or, if anyone has any other
> suggestions on this, I would appreciate hearing them.
> 
> 
> 
> Woodie Sayles
> Webfoot.Net
> woodie at webfoot.net
> (727) 442-5770
> (727) 442-3380 - fax
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> Visit our site at  to see what we can do for you!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 



From steve at laniels.org  Mon Jul 29 22:14:42 2002
From: steve at laniels.org (Stephen R Laniel)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:14:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Get to authentication screen, die when page loads
Message-ID: <20020729201442.GB5379@laniels.org>

Hi folks,

This one's bugging me: I just installed mailman yesterday, so there's
probably a newbie's explanation for it, but I can't find an answer in
the documentation or FAQs.

1) I can load the admin front page:



2) If I select a particular list that I created (click the lone link in
the admin page above), I get prompted for a password, and

3) If I enter the wrong password, I get the "authentication failed"
error, but

4) If I enter the right password, I get

  Bug in Mailman version 2.0.12

  We're sorry, we hit a bug!

  Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
  traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
  but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

and I can't continue. That is, I can't do any mailman admin tasks for
any of my lists.

Permissions on my mailman directories look fine:

  slaniel at bertrandrussell:/var/lib$ ls -d mailman
  drwxrwsr-x    8 root     list         4096 Jul 29 12:23 mailman

  slaniel at bertrandrussell:/usr/lib/cgi-bin$ ls -d mailman
  drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 Jul 29 10:21 mailman

I think Apache's fine, or I wouldn't have been able to load *any*
mailman admin pages, right?

Any thoughts on what might be the issue here?

Thanks,
Steve

-- 
"The gift of compressing the largest number of words into the
 smallest amount of thought"
-Winston Churchill, on Prime Minister Ramsay McDonald
 (whom Churchill also labeled "the boneless wonder")

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From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Tue Jul 30 03:21:45 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:21:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: PDF file attachments?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727204854.00a80900@pop.web.ca>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020727204854.00a80900@pop.web.ca>
Message-ID: <20020730012145.GE6338@hq.newdream.net>

Billie Carroll wrote:

> Can I send a pdf file as an attachment to a list?

sure. however with 2.0 and earlier, mailman is not MIME-aware, so it
will just look like a lot of gibberish in the archives. 

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >




From narnett at mccmedia.com  Tue Jul 30 04:00:47 2002
From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:00:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email.iterators missing after upgrading Mailman & Python...?
Message-ID: 

I'm trying to upgrade from 2.01 to 2.2b1 and RH 7.2... and all seemed to go
well, except that it's not finding email.iterators.  I don't even see the
email module in the Python installation, which mystifies me.  I've installed
Python 2.2 (#1, April 12).  It looks to me as though the email module should
have been installed with it.  And I can't find the module anywhere for
download...

This must be something trivially obvious, but I sure can't see it.

Thanks in advance for help.

--
narnett at mccmedia.com
(408) 904-7198




From jnash-mailman at iximd.com  Tue Jul 30 04:22:56 2002
From: jnash-mailman at iximd.com (jnash-mailman at iximd.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:22:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLI pending admin
Message-ID: 

Has anyone developed a CLI version of the pending msgs administration?

Clicking through hundreds of spams is pain in the butt via the web.

Thanks In Advance

James





From narnett at mccmedia.com  Tue Jul 30 04:29:02 2002
From: narnett at mccmedia.com (Nick Arnett)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:29:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email.iterators missing after upgrading Mailman & Python...?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Uninstalling Python and reinstalling with the RPMs from python.org appears
to have solved this problem.

Nick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Nick Arnett
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 7:01 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] email.iterators missing after upgrading Mailman
> & Python...?
>
>
> I'm trying to upgrade from 2.01 to 2.2b1 and RH 7.2... and all
> seemed to go
> well, except that it's not finding email.iterators.  I don't even see the
> email module in the Python installation, which mystifies me.
> I've installed
> Python 2.2 (#1, April 12).  It looks to me as though the email
> module should
> have been installed with it.  And I can't find the module anywhere for
> download...
>
> This must be something trivially obvious, but I sure can't see it.
>
> Thanks in advance for help.
>
> --
> narnett at mccmedia.com
> (408) 904-7198
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From richard at deepland.com  Tue Jul 30 10:46:13 2002
From: richard at deepland.com (Richard)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:46:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No domain
Message-ID: <3D465255.9020908@deepland.com>

Hi to all,

I just installed Mailman, but I get a very strange error. Any time I add 
a new list, Mailman connects with my MTA, but, let's say the list is 
named test, the connecting user is "test-admin@", without any domain. Is 
there any configuration file where the mailing list domain should be 
specified?

Thanks in advance,

Richard.





From clay at dawning.com.cn  Tue Jul 30 10:19:22 2002
From: clay at dawning.com.cn (Isaac Claymore)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:19:22 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No domain
In-Reply-To: <3D465255.9020908@deepland.com>
References: <3D465255.9020908@deepland.com>
Message-ID: <20020730081922.GA29146@clay>

On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 10:46:13AM +0200, Richard wrote:
> Hi to all,
> 
> I just installed Mailman, but I get a very strange error. Any time I add 
> a new list, Mailman connects with my MTA, but, let's say the list is 
> named test, the connecting user is "test-admin@", without any domain. Is 
> there any configuration file where the mailing list domain should be 
> specified?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Richard.
My configs:
in file '/Mailman/mm_cfg.py',

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'devel.dawning.com.cn'

-Clay
> 
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From slaniel at laniels.org  Tue Jul 30 14:24:42 2002
From: slaniel at laniels.org (Stephen R Laniel)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:24:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily (fwd)
Message-ID: <20020730122442.GA10936@laniels.org>

Hi folks,

Following up on what I wrote yesterday, I got this cron report in my
email this morning. Might this explain why I'm seeing the mailman
problems that I'm seeing?

Also, root:root owns a lot of the mailman files. Does the owner matter
much?

Thanks for any help you can give me. This is a highly irritating problem
- and vaguely urgent, since I want to get a mailing list up and running
to discuss a friend's upcoming bachelor party. :-)

Thanks,
Steve

----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon  -----

From: root at laniels.org (Cron Daemon)
To: root at laniels.org
Subject: Cron  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:33:04 -0400

/etc/cron.daily/mailman:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 41, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 77, in __init__
    self.Lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1340, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/bachelor_party.lock.bertrandrussell.10065'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 46, in send_list_digest
    mlist.Lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1340, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/bachelor_party.lock.bertrandrussell.10067'
run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/mailman exited with return code 1

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
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 smallest amount of thought"
-Winston Churchill, on Prime Minister Ramsay McDonald
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From rcolon at sph.emory.edu  Tue Jul 30 14:28:56 2002
From: rcolon at sph.emory.edu (Roberto Colon)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:28:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ./configure brakes on mailman 2.0.12
Message-ID: <3D468688.5070308@sph.emory.edu>

    Hello there folks:

I am trying to install mailman in a Sun Solaris V9 Sparc Ultra 5 
desktop. I have Python 2.2.1 install and running fine. When I try to 
execute the command "./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman" it works 
for a few seconds and then brakes with this error:

loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2.1
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... cc
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... no
checking whether cc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 1003
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 507
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 1
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 60001
checking for CGI extensions... no
./configure: test: unknown operator ==

I have installed and configure mailman 2.0.11 and I am trying to 
upgrade. I have stoped the old mailman version before I try to install 
the newone but that still won't work.

Any thoughts???





From wash at wananchi.com  Tue Jul 30 14:37:31 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:37:31 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20020730122442.GA10936@laniels.org>
References: <20020730122442.GA10936@laniels.org>
Message-ID: <20020730123731.GY17847@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Stephen R Laniel  [20020730 15:27]: wrote:

> Subject: Cron  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
               That is funny, maybe okay with you ;-)


> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:33:04 -0400
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/bachelor_party.lock.bertrandrussell.10065'
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is interesting. If I were you, I'd do

su		# Login as root
su - mailman	# Login as mailman , so now I am in MAILMAN_HOME
touch testfile	# See if user mailman has permission to write. Isn't that what the cron does?



> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
>     send_list_digest(mlist)
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 46, in send_list_digest
>     mlist.Lock()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1340, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
>     self.__write()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
>     fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/bachelor_party.lock.bertrandrussell.10067'
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 

> run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/mailman exited with return code 1



Once you clear those "permission denied", come back with more queries ;-)


Just before I go, I must mention that I missed you initial postings. I am
a Mailman newbie also, but mine is running, albeit with one slight glitch
for now... but I am happy so far..

My Mailman is in /usr/local/mailman ; owned by root:mailman and SETGID.



-Wash

-- 
Odhiambo Washington      "The box said 'Requires
Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: 254 2 313985-9   Fax: 254 2 313922     so I installed FreeBSD."   
GSM: 254 72 743 223   GSM: 254 733 744 121  This sig is McQ!  :-)


(1) Everything depends.
(2) Nothing is always.
(3) Everything is sometimes.
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From tmiller at nethawk.com  Tue Jul 30 17:36:36 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:36:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Marshal Data Error?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020730113109.00a8cdb8@mail.nethawk.com>

Running Mailman v 2.0.8
Got a corrupt archive error, so I ran arch against the list.  Arch reported the error below.  Any suggestions?


File "./arch", line 129, in ?
    main()
  File "./arch", line 118, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 528, in processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 928, in add_article
    self.__super_add_article(article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 567, in add_article
    article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 599, in get_parent_info
    article.subject) 
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 303, in getOldestArticle
    self.__openIndices(archive)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 245, in __openIndices
    t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) 
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 68, in __init__
    self.load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 173, in load
    self.dict = marshal.load(fp)
ValueError: bad marshal data




From irwin at taranto.com  Tue Jul 30 17:44:03 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:44:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list
Message-ID: <200207301544.g6UFi3G19363@taranto.com>

I just installed mailman-2.0.13 on RedHat Linux 7.2.  Working okay for three 
lists I have set up.   Two of them are moderated lists, for posting, and even 
my post as list administrator required approval.   

Is there an option so that the list administrator may post without my having 
to approve my own postings?

Thanks.

Irwin



From slaniel at laniels.org  Tue Jul 30 17:44:52 2002
From: slaniel at laniels.org (Stephen R Laniel)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:44:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cron  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20020730122442.GA10936@laniels.org>
References: <20020730122442.GA10936@laniels.org>
Message-ID: <20020730154452.GA12826@laniels.org>

Hi folks,

Thanks for your help. It turns out that I needed to make user mailman a
member of group list, and I needed to give the list group write
permissions on the mailman locks directory. Once I did that, all was
fixed.

Then I had a problem accessing the list archives, but that was easy: I
needed to force Apache to follow symlinks. Once I did that, again all
was well.

Thanks again,
Steve

-- 
"The gift of compressing the largest number of words into the
 smallest amount of thought"
-Winston Churchill, on Prime Minister Ramsay McDonald
 (whom Churchill also labeled "the boneless wonder")

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From slaniel at laniels.org  Tue Jul 30 17:57:43 2002
From: slaniel at laniels.org (Stephen R Laniel)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:57:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list (fwd)
Message-ID: <20020730155743.GA13004@laniels.org>

I sent this accidentally from steve at laniels.org rather than
slaniel at laniels.org, and my message got bounced back. Apologies ...

----- Forwarded message from "Steve Laniel:"  -----

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:50:59 -0400
From: "Steve Laniel:" 
To: irwin 
Cc: Mailman Users 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 08:44:03AM -0700, irwin wrote:
> 
> Is there an option so that the list administrator may post without my having 
> to approve my own postings?

Hmmm ... I've had some difficulties with this, because my username is
slaniel at laniels.org, but I email from steve at laniels.org; the latter is
an alias for the former, but mailman doesn't know that. Consequently, if
I'm not careful about giving other mailing lists the right subscription
information, I'll get my messages put in queue to be processed by the
administrator.

Is that similar to your problem?

Steve

- -- 
"The gift of compressing the largest number of words into the
 smallest amount of thought"
- -Winston Churchill, on Prime Minister Ramsay McDonald
 (whom Churchill also labeled "the boneless wonder")

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-- 
"The gift of compressing the largest number of words into the
 smallest amount of thought"
-Winston Churchill, on Prime Minister Ramsay McDonald
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From irwin at taranto.com  Tue Jul 30 18:10:30 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:10:30 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list
Message-ID: <200207301610.g6UGAUo19564@taranto.com>

On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 08:44:03AM -0700, irwin wrote:
> Is there an option so that the list administrator may post without my
> having to approve my own postings?

Hmmm ... I've had some difficulties with this, because my username is
slaniel at laniels.org, but I email from steve at laniels.org; the latter is
an alias for the former, but mailman doesn't know that. Consequently, if
I'm not careful about giving other mailing lists the right subscription
information, I'll get my messages put in queue to be processed by the
administrator.

Is that similar to your problem?

Steve

Thanks for the reply.

Doesn't appear to be.   Unless somehow it is comparing to host.domain.com 
instead of just domain.com, but I cannot find any reference in any of the 
headers to host.domain.com.

Irwin



From rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net  Tue Jul 30 20:34:07 2002
From: rlw at rlw.best.vwh.net (Bob Weissman)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:34:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For the truly lazy! (You know who you are.)
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20020730111029.00a28830@rlw.best.vwh.net>

If you're as lazy as I am, you know that it's worth 5 minutes of programming effort to save 1/2 second of user action repeated multiple times.

I got tired of having to manually focus on the password input box in my lists' administrative authentication pages. It was costing me one mouse click or two hits of the Tab key. So I decided to make the input box self-focusing.

If you're even lazier than I am, you don't even have to figure this out for yourself. Just apply the following 1-line patch in ~mailman/templates to patch admlogin.txt. It works in all the browsers I have access to. This is for Mailman 2.0.x. I haven't tried 2.1 yet.

- Bob

--- admlogin.txt.ORIG   Tue Jul 30 10:38:31 2002
+++ admlogin.txt        Tue Jul 30 11:24:48 2002
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
 
   %(listname)s Administrative Authentication
 
-
+
 
 %(message)s
   




From irwin at taranto.com  Wed Jul 31 00:07:11 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:07:11 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list
In-Reply-To: <20020730173234.GA13546@laniels.org>
References: <200207301610.g6UGAUo19564@taranto.com> <20020730173234.GA13546@laniels.org>
Message-ID: <200207302207.g6UM7Bv21779@taranto.com>

On Tuesday 30 July 2002 10:32 am, you wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 09:10:30AM -0700, irwin wrote:
> > Doesn't appear to be.   Unless somehow it is comparing to host.domain.com
> > instead of just domain.com, but I cannot find any reference in any of the
> > headers to host.domain.com.
>
> Does this question from the FAQ (http://www.list.org/faq.html) sound at
> all like what you're seeing?
>
>   Q. I set member_posting_only to yes because I want to limit posts to
>   members only, however it seems like all messages coming from members
>   are held for approval. Why?

No.    I set up a new list for testing.   First, I made the list un-moderated 
and subscribed.   The message was delivered without requesting approval.
Secondly, I made the list moderated and posting from the administrator 
account the message requested approval.
Lastly, I moved to another computer, a WIN 98, with a different internet 
account, made that account an administrator, subscribed, and tried to post.  
The result was that both administrators received a message requesting 
approval.

Maybe that is the way it is supposed to work?  

Thanks for your help.

Irwin



From Topaz11green at aol.com  Wed Jul 31 01:51:11 2002
From: Topaz11green at aol.com (Topaz11green at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:51:11 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Stripmime and Qmail
Message-ID: <1be.93e99c6.2a78806f@aol.com>

Hi Mailman Folks,

This is for the newbies (in which group I count myself). If you want to use 
Stripmime  with Mailman and you 
also use Qmail, put this in your .qmail-test file for a list called test:

|preline /usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl | /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post 
test

Of course, your paths may vary.

It took me a little while to figure this out, hope this will help somebody 
else.

Take care,

-Susan



From tmiller at nethawk.com  Wed Jul 31 07:01:35 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 01:01:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list
In-Reply-To: <200207301544.g6UFi3G19363@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731005931.030aee80@mail.nethawk.com>

On the Privacy Option page put the address you will be posting from in the "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement" box.


At 11:44 AM 7/30/2002, irwin wrote:
>I just installed mailman-2.0.13 on RedHat Linux 7.2.  Working okay for three 
>lists I have set up.   Two of them are moderated lists, for posting, and even 
>my post as list administrator required approval.   
>
>Is there an option so that the list administrator may post without my having 
>to approve my own postings?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Irwin
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/




From irwin at taranto.com  Wed Jul 31 07:18:48 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:18:48 -0700
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list
Message-ID: <200207310518.g6V5Imr26154@taranto.com>

On the Privacy Option page put the address you will be posting from in the
 "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
 approval requirement" box.

That worked. 

Thanks.

Irwin



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Jul 31 07:30:12 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:30:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial Mailman v2.0 with TMDA and Mime filtering
Message-ID: <1262.1028093412@kanga.nu>

This is mostly written for the Mailman MLM community, but is CCed to
tmda-users as it applies there as well.  In general subsequent
discussion should happen on mailman-developers, so I've set Reply-To
accordingly.

I'm writing this now as the discussed configuration appears to work and
I'd rather document it now while its still fresh in my mind then later
when its not.  If any big bugs or required changes surface I'll post on
those later to the mailman-developers list.

I built the system with Mailman 2.0, TMDA 0.58, Exim v3, mimefilter,
mimedecode, and procmail.  You don't need mimedecode or mimefilter, but
if you want to do mime filtering (even with say strip mime or demime
instead) adapting the below is should be simple and obvious.  Several
aspects and details are going to be specific to the default
configurations and installations of the relevant packages under Debian
Linux.  I will assume that you'll be Linux/Unix savvy enough to both
detect those points and work around them as needed.

Background:

  -- I decided to integrate the system via procmail as I also wanted to
  (easily) add MIME filtering and other forms of message rewriting to my
  list setup.

  -- A primary goal is that the system operates without requiring either
  SysAdm or list owner attention.

  -- As discussed on-list One of my wishes was that lists maintain
  whitelists which are private to them and thus not shared across the
  entire set of lists serviced by that host.  I will not detail how I
  went about that except in passing as current TMDA development
  initiatives will render that much simpler in future.

  -- Elegance was not a goal.  Workability and were.  There are several
  rough edges left.  Some are noted below.

How-To:
-------

Getting the system working essentially has three steps:

  1) Getting Mailman working transparently under Exim without aliases.

  2) Getting TMDA configured, installed, and tested.

  3) Getting TMDA integrated with Exim and Mailman, using procmail as a
  glue layer.

You'll be wise to check and test each step as you go along.  Finding the
correct source of faults with the whole system in place can be a
confusing and difficult exercise.  Its easier to test and retest as you
go along so as to limit the set of possible items that need examination
for error.

Step one is fairly simple: Just configure Exim as per the README.Exim or
Nigel's HOW-TO on exim.org.  Make sure its all working and that Mailman
functions correctly in all regards as regards the MTA.  You will have to
update and extend these configurations later to suit TMDA, but start out
making sure you have the base right.  If Mailman doesn't work on your
system its hardly worth trying to get TMDA also not working.

Install TMDA on your system (Debian uses a $PREFIX of /usr).  Make sure
you get at least version 0.58.  For Debian this means installing from
/testing.  If you use a later version (such as current CVS) read the
changelog carefully as you'll have to make some adaption in your setup
to the new features in TMDA.  Those changes are left as an exercise for
the reader.

Under ~list/ creat the following directory hierarchy, with 0700
permissions and owned by list.list (the Debian Mailman user):

    ~list/.tmda
    ~list/.tmda/cache
    ~list/.tmda/lists
    ~list/.tmda/logs
    ~list/.tmda/filters
    ~list/.tmda/pending
    ~list/.tmda/templates
 
Within that tree creat the following empty files, each of zero length,
owned by list.list and with 0600 permissions:

    ~list/.tmda/lists/released
    ~list/.tmda/lists/whitelist.auto
    ~list/.tmda/lists/blacklist
    ~list/.tmda/lists/whitelist
    ~list/.tmda/filters/outgoing

The above files need to be created as otherwise TMDA will error when it
fails to find them.  If you have particular scaling or performance
issues with regard to these address lists you might want to use the dbm
or cdb forms instead (see the TMDA documentation for details).  If so,
make sure you configure ~list/.tmda/config to match.

Next copy the default TMDA message templates to:

    ~list/.tmda/templates/bounce.txt
    ~list/.tmda/templates/confirm_request.txt
    ~list/.tmda/templates/confirm_accept.txt

And rewrite them as suitable for your mailing lists.

Now create your TMDA crypt key in:

    ~list/.tmda/crypt_key

and your TMDA configuration in:

    ~list/.tmda/config

My ~list/.tmda/config reads:

    DATADIR = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/"
    MAIL_TRANSFER_AGENT = "exim"
    DELIVERY = "|/usr/bin/procmail -p -f $SENDER"
    RECIPIENT_DELIMITER = "+"
    CRYPT_KEY_FILE = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/crypt_key"
    BARE_APPEND = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/lists/whitelist"
    CONFIRM_APPEND = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/lists/whitelist.auto"
    CONFIRM_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE = None
    TEMPLATE_DIR = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/templates/"
    ACTION_INCOMING = "confirm"
    ACTION_OUTGOING = "bare"
    FINGERPRINT = ["message-id", "from", "date"]
    FULLNAME = "List Filter System"
    HOSTNAME = "kanga.nu"
    LOGFILE_DEBUG = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/logs/tmda_debug.log"
    LOGFILE_INCOMING = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/logs/tmda_incoming.log"
    PENDING_BLACKLIST_APPEND = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmds/lists/blacklist"
    PENDING_BLACKLIST_APPEND = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmds/lists/deleted"
    PENDING_RELEASE_APPEND = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/lists/released"
    PENDING_WHITELIST_APPEND = "/var/lib/mailman/.tmda/lists/whitelist"
    TIMEOUT = "2w"

You'll specifically need to tailor the values of FULLNAME and HOSTNAME
from the above cases.

Note:

  I use a RECIPIENT_DELIMITER of "+" as I use "-" in several list names
  and don't want the two appearing to run together.  Make sure you read
  the caveats on using "+" in the TMDA FAQ before chosing the
  RECIPIENT_DELIMITER you want to use.

In my case ~list/.tmda/logs is actually a symlink to /var/log/TMDA which
is owned by list.list and of 0700 permissions and a matching logrotate
stanza:

    /var/log/TMDA/procmail.log {
      monthly
      compress
      missingok
    }
    /var/log/TMDA/tmda-debug.log {
      monthly
      compress
      missingok
    }
    /var/log/TMDA/tmda-incoming.log {
      monthly
      compress
      missingok
    }

Next, and almost finally is to create the incoming filter with ownership
list.list and permissions 0600:

    ~list/.tmda/filters/incoming

The contents should be similar to:
    
    #
    # Note: First match wins, so sequence of rules is significant
    #
    
    #
    # Bounce blacklisters
    #
    
    from-file ~list/.tmda/lists/blacklist bounce
    
    #
    # Explicitly listed whitelist addresses get thru (explicitly because 
    # this is a hand maintained file)
    #
    
    from-file ~list/.tmda/lists/whitelist ok    
    
    #
    # Normal list members get thru. Repeat this line as needed for each
    # of your lists, replacing "listname" with each listname.
    #
    
    from-mailman -attr=members ~list/lists/listname ok
    
    #
    # Digest members get thru.  Repeat this line as needed for each of
    # your lists, replacing "listname" with each listname
    #
    
    from-mailman -attr=digest_members ~list/lists/listname ok

    #
    # Confirmed whitelist addresses get thru (the whitelist.auto file is
    # built by posters confirming themselves to TMDA)
    #
    
    from-file ~list/.tmda/lists/whitelist.auto ok

    #
    # Mail from the list control gets thru. Repeat these lines as needed
    # for each of your lists, replacing "listname" with each listname.
    #
    
    from listname-admin at kanga.nu ok
    from listname-owner at kanga.nu ok
    
Tailor to suit as noted.  Soon the complexity (and hand effort of adding
the list-specific lines) will no longer be necessary as future versions
of TMDA will have a more flexible filter schema that supports variable
replacement.

At this point you should be able to test your TMDA configuration (not
including the Mailman specific bits), manually injecting messages into
tmda-inject while having the environment variables SENDER and RECIPIENT
appropriately set and seeing that it doesn't error (check the bounces
and ~list/.tmda/logs/tmda-debug.log for specifics on errors).

Check your TMDA setup carefully and pay particular attention to file
permissions and ownership errors.  Make sure you do all your testing as
the Mailman user ("list" for Debian).

You're now ready for the last step: integrating TMDA with Exim via
procmail.  Place the procmail rc in:

  ~list/.procmailrc

Again, the ownership is list.list and permissions 0600.  It should read
something like:
    
    VERBOSE=off
    SHELL=/bin/sh
    PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib
    LOGFILE=/var/log/TMDA/procmail.log
    MAILDIR=/var/lib/mailman/locks
    
    #
    # Commands don't get filtered
    #
    
    :0 w
    * ACTION ?? mailcmd
    |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET
    
    #
    # Pass bounces thru directly.
    #
    
    :0 w
    * ACTION ?? mailowner
    * ^Return-path: <>
    | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET
    
    #
    # Mail that has already been filtered by TMDA.  This is an added
    # header that is used to check for messages which have already been
    # processed by this TMDA/Mailman procmail filter.
    #
    
    :0 w
    * $^X-Mail-Filter-Recipient: $RECIPIENT
    {
    
      #
      # Send the message to Mailman for processing.  This is a separate
      # recipe to make the extensions for MIME filter etc below clearer
      # and simpler.  
      #
      
      :0 w
      * ACTION ?? post
      | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET

      :0 w
      * ACTION ?? mailowner
      | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET
    
    }
    
    #
    # Add the flag header so we can detect messages coming out of TMDA,
    # even as distinct from mail from other TMDA users.
    #
    
    :0 fw
    | /usr/bin/formail -A "X-Mail-Filter-Recipient: $RECIPIENT"
    
    #
    # Everything else (-admin, -owner, and posts which haven't been
    # passed by TMDA) get filtered thru tmda-filter.  If you want
    # list-specific inbound filters instead globally shared lists,
    # insert a small script here which writes a message customised
    # inbound filter in (say) /tmp/tmda-inbound.$$, call tmda-filter
    # with a matching -I argument, and then delete the temporary inbound
    # filter afterwards.
    #
    
    :0 w
    | /usr/bin/tmda-filter -c /var/lib/mailman/.tmda/config
    
    #
    # Take the exit code from TMDA.  This allows procmail to return in
    # error to the MTA.
    # 

    EXITCODE=$?
    
Notes:

  1) Please use a different loop detection header than
  X-Mail-Filter-Recipient.  Make something up that fits your needs.  

  2) The added loop detection will not be necessary with TMDA versions
  after 0.58 as they add their own custom header which you can use for
  host and recipient specific loop detection.

As I do want to do MIME and other message pre-processing, and I want the
ability to send messages which bypass the MIME filters, my
~list/.procmailrc is a little more complex.  Adapt as appropriate to
your installation:
    
    VERBOSE=off
    SHELL=/bin/sh
    PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib
    LOGFILE=/var/log/TMDA/procmail.log
    MAILDIR=/var/lib/mailman/locks
    
    #
    # Commands don't get filtered
    #
    
    :0 w
    * ACTION ?? mailcmd
    |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET
    
    #
    # Pass bounces thru directly.
    #
    
    :0 w
    * ACTION ?? mailowner
    * ^Return-path: <>
    | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET
    
    #
    # Mail that has already been filtered by TMDA.  This is an added
    # header that is used to check for messages which have already been
    # processed by this TMDA/Mailman procmail filter.
    #
    
    :0 w
    * $^X-Kanga-Mail-Filter-Recipient: $RECIPIENT
    {
    
      #
      # Posts sent to a list
      #
      
      :0 w
      * ACTION ?? post
      {
      
        # 
        # Got an X-MimeStripNo header?  Don't MIME strip
        #
        
        :0 w
        * ^X-MimeStripNo
        {
        
          #  
          # Remove the X-MimeStripNo header
          #
          
          :0 fw
          | formail -I X-MimeStrip
               
        }
        
        :0 w
        * ! ^X-MimeStripNo
        {
        
          #
          # Mimefilter -- As mimefilter requires that the local directory
          # be writable and that various environment variables are defined, 
          # we use a wrapper script.
          #
        
          :0 fw
          | ~archiver/bin/MimeFilter 
    
          #
          #  Get rid of quoted-printable
          #
    
          :0 fw
          | /usr/bin/mimedecode
        }
        
        #   
        # If there's nothing left of the message (less than 20 bytes), don't
        # bother sending it forward to Mailman.
        #
      
        :0 wb
        * < 20
        | /dev/null
        
        #
        # We have a post!
        #
        
        :0 w
        | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET
    
      }
    
      #
      # Messages to -admin and -ower
      #
      
      :0 w
      * ACTION ?? mailowner
      | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper $ACTION $TARGET
    
    }
    
    #
    # Add the flag header so we can detect posts coming out of TMDA,
    # even as distinct from mail from other TMDA users.
    #
    
    :0 fw
    | /usr/bin/formail -A "X-Kanga-Mail-Filter-Recipient: $RECIPIENT"
    
    #
    # Everything else (-admin, -owner, and posts) get filtered thru TMDA
    #
    
    :0 w
    | /usr/bin/tmda-filter -c /var/lib/mailman/.tmda/config
    
    #
    # Take the exit code from TMDA.  This allows procmail to return in
    # error to the MTA.
    # 

    EXITCODE=$?

Yeah, I could make that procmailrc cleaner and simpler.  It works.  Its
a 1.0.  I don't argue with working 1.0 versions.
    
The contents of ~archiver/bin/MimeFilter are:
    
    #!/bin/bash
    #set -x
    
    #
    # Syntax:
    #
    #   MimeStrip
    #
    # Author: J C Lawrence 
    #
    
    # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    # Config (Edit this bit to suit your setup!)
    # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    
    # Where is mimefilter?
    
    mimefilter="/usr/bin/mimefilter"
    
    # Note: Make sure that the value of tmpdir is writeable by the UID or GID 
    # that this script will execute under.
    
    tmpdir="/tmp/mimestrip.${$}"
    
    # Do you want to save an mbox of the messages before filtering 
    # in $savefile_pre?   (0/1)
    
    feature_savepre=1
    
    # Do you want to save an mbox of the messages after filtering 
    # in $savefile_post?  (0/1)
    
    feature_savepost=1
    
    # File to save pre-filtered messages in
    
    savefile_pre="/tmp/mimestrip.prefilter"
    
    # File to same post filtered messages in
    
    savefile_post="/tmp/mimestrip.postfilter"
    
    # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    # MimeFilter setup (Don't edit from here down)
    # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    
    # The name of the mailing list this message is intended for.  Used
    # as the return address of the warning issued to the orginal author
    # if the message is not already clean.
    
    export list=${USER} 
    
    # The address of the mailing list this message is intended for.
    # Used in the X-Loop field of the warning issued to the original
    # author if the message is not already clean.
    
    export listaddr=${USER}@${DOMAIN}
    
    # The administrative (owner) address of the mailing list this
    # message is inteded for.  Used in the return address of the warning
    # issued to the original author if the message is not already clean.
    
    export listreq=${USER}-admin@${DOMAIN} 
    
    # The email address of the maintainer of the mailing list this
    # message is inteded for.  If it is defined, it is used to send the
    # maintainer original carbon copies of messages that have been
    # modified by this filter -- if filter_mime_cc_maintainer is
    # affermative, of course.
    
    export maintainer=${USER}-owner@${DOMAIN} 
    
    # A boolean flag: if affermative (i.e., if it matches the /y/i Perl
    # regular expression), the mimefilter script will send carbon copies
    # of every cleaned (modified) message to the maintainer of the
    # mailing list the message is intended for.
    
    export filter_mime_cc_maintainer=${copy_maintainer}
    
    # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    # Start working
    # -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
    
    # Build a safe working directory for mimefilter.  We need to do this as 
    # postfix by default will execute this script in /var/spool/postfix and 
    # mimefilter will try and create temp directories and files under there,
    # which will fail on permissions.
    
    # Note: Make sure that the value of tmpdir is writeable by the UID or GID 
    # that this script will execute under.
    
    /bin/rm -rf ${tmpdir} 2> /dev/null
    /bin/mkdir ${tmpdir}
    cd ${tmpdir}
    
    /bin/cat | ${mimefilter}
    
    # Save copies of the before and after messages off to a temp file for 
    # analysis/debugging
    
    if [ ${feature_savepre} -eq 1 ]
    then
      /bin/cat ${holdfile} >> ${savefile_pre}
      echo >> ${savefile_pre}
    fi
    
    if [ ${feature_savepost} -eq 1 ]
    then
      /bin/cat ${workfile} >> ${savefile_post}
      echo >> ${savefile_post}
    fi
    
    # Clean up
    
    /bin/rm -rf ${tmpdir}
    exit 
   
Most of all that hassle is to get the environment variables mimefilter
needs properly set and get the current working directory set to
something I've write permissions to (eg /tmp).  I could have done all
that inside procmail (and probably should have).  I didn't for purely
historical reasons.

mimedecode is a little tool which flattens quoted-printable into US
ASCII.  I find it rather useful.  Take care here if you have posters
posting with other character sets.

As always: caveat emptor.

At this point you should be able to test your procmail and TMDA
configuration my injecting messages into procmail as below:

    # List posts
    cat message_file | procmail -mpt ACTION='post' TARGET='listname' ~list/.procmailrc

    # -request commands
    cat message_file | procmail -mpt ACTION='mailcmd' TARGET='listname' ~list/.procmailrc

    # -admin and -owner messages
    cat message_file | procmail -mpt ACTION='mailowner' TARGET='listname' ~list/.procmailrc

Test it all out.  Make sure TMDA is properly holding messages.  Release,
whitelist, blacklist etc them via:

  tmda-pending -c ~list/.tmda/config

and watch the contents of ~list/.tmda/lists to ensure that the right
things are happening.

Work the whole system until you're certain that everything in the
procmailrc and your TMDA configuration has been exercised and shown
correct.

Don't forget to go back and delete all your test addresses from the
files under ~list/.tmda/lists.  Remember to NOT delete the files and to
do all your testing as the list user (file permissions are critical).

You're now ready for the last step: Integrating with your MTA.  Before
we get to the message details some discussion on why I used Exim for
this:

  I started out wanting and trying to use Postfix.  The core problem I
  hit was making the filter process hung off the alias execute as the
  right user.  I needed it to execute as the list user so it would be
  able to read the Mailman list configurations to verify subscribers
  from there.  If you want to entirely separate posting rights from list
  subscription this wouldn't be a problem (just remove the mailman bits
  from ~list/filters/incoming).

  Getting the filter process to execute as 'list' under postfix proved a
  bitch.  Its not impossible, but it requires either messing with
  content filters (which have a high performance overhead for ALL
  messages) or doing a vtable setup with a custom transport, which
  requires that you run your lists from a sub-domained virtual host (eg
  lists.kanga.nu).  I am unwilling to make either compromise.  YMMV.

  Exim conversely makes defining the specific effective UID and GID for
  an alias filter process very easy.  I also like, know, and use Exim on
  other systems, so moving my list server back to Exim was no great
  pain.

  I don't like and refuse to use either Sendmail, and so can't comment
  on how TMDA may be integrated with it.  I'm also not a QMail user and
  so can't comment for similar reasons.  For those familiar with those
  respective MTAs you should be able to base off the below recipes (with
  the above caveats) successfully.

The full set of Mailman-specific sections needed in /etc/exim/exim.conf
are as below.  Compare them carefully with the Nigel's HOW-TO for basic
Exim/Mailman integration.  The changes aren't large but you should
understand each of them.  The documentation at exim.org is excellent.

These configurations are mildly Exim v3 specific.  Exim v4 is noticeably
but not fundamentally different.  Use the documentation at exim.org to
guide you thru the differences.

  In the main configuration section:

    # Add the Mailman user (list) to the value of trusted users so
    # procmail can use -p to pass environment variables through
    # (required by TMDA)

    trusted_users = mail:list

    # $HOME dir for Mailman

    MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman

    # Wrapper script for Mailman

    MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper

    # UID and GID for Mailman
 
    MAILMAN_UID=list
    MAILMAN_GID=mail

  In the transports section:
    
    list_transport:
      driver = pipe
      command = /usr/bin/procmail -mpt ACTION='post' TARGET='${lc:$local_part}' MAILMAN_HOME/.procmailrc
      # command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
      current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
      home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
      user = MAILMAN_UID
      group = MAILMAN_GID
      return_path_add
      delivery_date_add
      envelope_to_add
      environment = EXTENSION=${substr_1:$local_part_suffix}:\
                    RECIPIENT=$local_part$local_part_suffix@$domain 
    
    list_request_transport:
      driver = pipe
      command = /usr/bin/procmail -mpt ACTION='mailcmd' TARGET='${lc:$local_part}' MAILMAN_HOME/.procmailrc
      # command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
      current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
      home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
      user = MAILMAN_UID
      group = MAILMAN_GID
      return_path_add
      delivery_date_add
      envelope_to_add
      environment = EXTENSION=${substr_1:$local_part_suffix}:\
                    RECIPIENT=$local_part$local_part_suffix@$domain 
    
    list_admin_transport:
      driver = pipe
      command = /usr/bin/procmail -mpt ACTION='mailowner' TARGET='${lc:$local_part}' MAILMAN_HOME/.procmailrc
      # command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
      current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
      home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
      user = MAILMAN_UID
      group = MAILMAN_GID
      return_path_add
      delivery_date_add
      envelope_to_add
      environment = EXTENSION=${substr_1:$local_part_suffix}:\
                    RECIPIENT=$local_part$local_part_suffix@$domain 
    
  In the directors section:
    
    list_owner_director:
      driver = smartuser
      require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
      suffix = "-owner"
      new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
    
    owner_list_director:
      driver = smartuser
      require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
      prefix = "owner-"
      new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
        
    list_admin_director:
      driver = smartuser
      suffix = -admin
      require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
      transport = list_admin_transport
    
    list_request_director:
      driver = smartuser
      suffix = -request
      require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
      transport = list_request_transport
    
    list_director:
      driver = smartuser
      require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
      transport = list_transport
      suffix = +*
      suffix_optional   
        
Pay particular attention to the value of "suffix" in list-director and
make sure it agrees with RECIPIENT_DELIMITER in ~list/.tmda/config.

You should now be up and running with TMDA integrated as the front face
of your Mailman lists.  If you want to monitor your TMDA pending queue
for your Mailman installation you can periodically run

  tmda-pending -c ~list/.tmda/config

Or just drop the following cronjob in the Mailman user's crontab:

  * * * * * /usr/bin/tmda-pending -CTb | mail you at domain.tld

to be emailed regular status updates on new messages in TMDA pending.

Enjoy.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From m.maurer at dalichow-online.net  Wed Jul 31 11:08:30 2002
From: m.maurer at dalichow-online.net (Michael Maurer)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:08:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-Admin
Message-ID: <000601c23871$d74098f0$0700a8c0@JUPITER>

Hello Mailman Users

please excuse my bad english.

as list-admin, 
is it possible to subscribe users without approval?

subscribing by user needs a approve. 
That's OK
But subscribing by List-admin i become also 
a request for approval.

Thanks

Michael Maurer
---





From m.maurer at dalichow-online.net  Wed Jul 31 12:27:04 2002
From: m.maurer at dalichow-online.net (Michael Maurer)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:27:04 +0200
Subject: AW: [Mailman-Users] List-Admin
In-Reply-To: <021301c23878$5dc1ad00$388b17ac@asiandevbank.org>
Message-ID: <000701c2387c$d38c6990$0700a8c0@JUPITER>

Hi allan

Thank you for your answer.

[...]
> yes as list administrator you can subscribe users by going to the web
> interface and mass subscribing them without requiring any 
> confirmation or
> approval.

OK, I know that.
But this is not a problem, but it is not what i want.

> 
> sorry can't quite understand by what you meant on your next 
> question.
> and from my understanding you want that whenever a list administrator
> pre-subscribed users to his/her mailing list.
> it would still require an approval? 

No.
I want that a "administrator" subscribe a new user by "email",
NOT by webinterface.
Example: "subscribe password nodigest address=xyz at domain.de".
that run's OK, no problem.

But i did'nt want that i must, as "administrator", 
approve this subscribing.

bye
Michael Maurer
---







From clay at dawning.com.cn  Wed Jul 31 12:53:57 2002
From: clay at dawning.com.cn (Isaac Claymore)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:53:57 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about character encoding
Message-ID: <20020731105357.GA1748@clay>

Hi mailman,
  I'd love to explicitly set the charset of all pages generated by
mailman and the archiver to gb2312, setting DEFAULT_CHARSET to
gb2312 in mm_cfg.py doesn't seem to work.
  Thanks for any hint or suggestion.

-Clay



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Jul 31 14:00:39 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 31 Jul 2002 14:00:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about character encoding
In-Reply-To: Isaac Claymore's message of "Wed, 31 Jul 2002 18:53:57 +0800"
References: <20020731105357.GA1748@clay>
Message-ID: 

Isaac Claymore  writes:

> I'd love to explicitly set the charset of all pages generated by
> mailman and the archiver to gb2312, setting DEFAULT_CHARSET to
> gb2312 in mm_cfg.py doesn't seem to work.


I have

# Charset und Encoding der Mail
DEFAULT_CHARSET = 'iso-8859-1'
VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-8859-1']

and it works.


Please send no Cc. I answer only via the list.
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://www.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From laurence at digitalpulp.com  Wed Jul 31 18:04:01 2002
From: laurence at digitalpulp.com (Laurence Berland)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:04:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding exception to html-stripping in the archive
Message-ID: <200207311204.01789.laurence@digitalpulp.com>

I've already written code that filters the messages on their way to the
archiver, substituting based on regular expressions.  It does this in the
Queue/ArchRunner.py file, in just about the last spot before the actual
archiver gets called.  It can't go in the archiver, because it needs to be
able to read the mlist variable for configuration and such.  I need to be
able to use a regular expression to substitute in a snippet of html code.
This could be used for several things, but my intention is to use it to add
an img tag.  Is there a way to configurably get around the html-sanitizing
done by the archiver in some non-kludge way?

TIA,
Laurence



From tmiller at nethawk.com  Wed Jul 31 18:07:19 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:07:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt Archive Help
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731120044.00a83dc8@mail.nethawk.com>

I am getting the following error in Mailman logs.

Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 qrunner(1567): ValueError: insecure string pickle
Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 (1567) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: milcom 

When I run arch against the list it bombs out with a bad marshal data error.

I have seen several requests for help on this in the archives of this list but no replies as how to fix it.

Any help would be appreciated.

Tim




From irwin at taranto.com  Wed Jul 31 18:15:43 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:15:43 -0700
Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt Archive Help
Message-ID: <200207311615.g6VGFhF32275@taranto.com>

Try the following:

cd /var/mailman/archives/private
touch milcom.mbox/milcom.mbox

I need to do that with each new list.  Your path may be different.

Irwin

--------------------------

I am getting the following error in Mailman logs.

Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 qrunner(1567): ValueError: insecure string pickle
Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 (1567) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: milcom

When I run arch against the list it bombs out with a bad marshal data error.

I have seen several requests for help on this in the archives of this list
 but no replies as how to fix it.

Any help would be appreciated.

Tim


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From tmiller at nethawk.com  Wed Jul 31 18:31:46 2002
From: tmiller at nethawk.com (Tim Miller)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:31:46 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt Archive Help
In-Reply-To: <200207311615.g6VGFhF32275@taranto.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731122920.03049ee8@mail.nethawk.com>

That didn't work.  Arch runs fine on the first months archives.  When it starts doing the second month it bombs out.  Arch error below.

2001-December
figuring article archives
2002-January
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./arch", line 129, in ?
    main()
  File "./arch", line 118, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 528, in processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 928, in add_article
    self.__super_add_article(article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 567, in add_article
    article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 599, in get_parent_info
    article.subject) 
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 303, in getOldestArticle
    self.__openIndices(archive)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 245, in __openIndices
    t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) 
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 68, in __init__
    self.load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 173, in load
    self.dict = marshal.load(fp)
ValueError: bad marshal data


At 12:15 PM 7/31/2002, irwin wrote:
>Try the following:
>
>cd /var/mailman/archives/private
>touch milcom.mbox/milcom.mbox
>
>I need to do that with each new list.  Your path may be different.
>
>Irwin
>
>--------------------------
>
>I am getting the following error in Mailman logs.
>
>Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 qrunner(1567): ValueError: insecure string pickle
>Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 (1567) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: milcom
>
>When I run arch against the list it bombs out with a bad marshal data error.
>
>I have seen several requests for help on this in the archives of this list
> but no replies as how to fix it.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Tim
>
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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Jul 31 18:57:40 2002
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:57:40 -0400
Subject: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt Archive Help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731122920.03049ee8@mail.nethawk.com>
Message-ID: <000601c238b3$61eeb310$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Turn off cron first (so your mailman app doesn't change things on you in the
middle of generating the archive).

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Miller [mailto:tmiller at nethawk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:32 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Corrupt Archive Help


That didn't work.  Arch runs fine on the first months archives.  When it
starts doing the second month it bombs out.  Arch error below.

2001-December
figuring article archives
2002-January
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./arch", line 129, in ?
    main()
  File "./arch", line 118, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 528, in
processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 928, in
add_article
    self.__super_add_article(article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 567, in
add_article
    article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 599, in
get_parent_info
    article.subject)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 303, in
getOldestArticle
    self.__openIndices(archive)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 245, in
__openIndices
    t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i))
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 68, in
__init__
    self.load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 173, in load
    self.dict = marshal.load(fp)
ValueError: bad marshal data


At 12:15 PM 7/31/2002, irwin wrote:
>Try the following:
>
>cd /var/mailman/archives/private
>touch milcom.mbox/milcom.mbox
>
>I need to do that with each new list.  Your path may be different.
>
>Irwin
>
>--------------------------
>
>I am getting the following error in Mailman logs.
>
>Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 qrunner(1567): ValueError: insecure string pickle
>Jul 31 08:49:02 2002 (1567) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: milcom
>
>When I run arch against the list it bombs out with a bad marshal data
error.
>
>I have seen several requests for help on this in the archives of this list
> but no replies as how to fix it.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Tim
>
>
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From laurence at digitalpulp.com  Wed Jul 31 22:06:41 2002
From: laurence at digitalpulp.com (Laurence Berland)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:06:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding exception to html-stripping in the archive
In-Reply-To: <200207311204.01789.laurence@digitalpulp.com>
References: <200207311204.01789.laurence@digitalpulp.com>
Message-ID: <200207311606.41289.laurence@digitalpulp.com>

begin  quote from Laurence Berland on Wednesday 31 July 2002 12:04 pm
> I've already written code that filters the messages on their way to the
> archiver, substituting based on regular expressions.  It does this in the
> Queue/ArchRunner.py file, in just about the last spot before the actual
> archiver gets called.  It can't go in the archiver, because it needs to be
> able to read the mlist variable for configuration and such.  I need to be
> able to use a regular expression to substitute in a snippet of html code.
> This could be used for several things, but my intention is to use it to add
> an img tag.  Is there a way to configurably get around the html-sanitizing
> done by the archiver in some non-kludge way?

I'm not sure if anyone is reading these, though I tend to suspect not.  In any 
case, I've found the kludge way to go about doing this, but it's really quite 
awful.  I changed the websafe function in utils.py to just return the very 
string it is passed.  Please tell me there's a better way, as this requires a 
recompile to change, and it's not something I even want done for every list.  
If there isn't a better way yet, can anyone think of how to code one?  My 
biggest problem is the lack of an mlist object near many websafe calls, 
meaning I can't readily grab config variables for a list.

>
> TIA,
> Laurence
>



From dreamboy at aros.net  Wed Jul 31 22:23:07 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:23:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retreiving e-mail list from Mailman / Reset Password?
Message-ID: <200207311423.07025.dreamboy@aros.net>

Is there a way in mailman to export a list of all currently subscribed users
to a list? If so how is this done?

Also if someone forgets the admin password to their list is there an easy
way to reset the password for the list?

Thanks in advance.




From paul at paulsfunhouse.com  Wed Jul 31 23:09:18 2002
From: paul at paulsfunhouse.com (Paul Croft)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reverse DNS
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731160841.009f4080@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>

I have been having trouble delivering my mailing lists to AOL 
subscribers....today I spoke with a tech at AOL and he told me that the 
problem was the my site didn't have its "reverse DNS" set up correctly and 
therefore my emails were considered "suspect". His solution was to correct 
the Reverse DNS.

Anyone have any clues as to how I go about doing this and exactly what it 
entails?

TIA

Paul




From dreamboy at aros.net  Wed Jul 31 23:15:34 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:15:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reverse DNS
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731160841.009f4080@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731160841.009f4080@mail.paulsfunhouse.com>
Message-ID: <200207311515.22984.dreamboy@aros.net>

Paul,

In order to have Reverse DNS setup you would need to talk to your
ISP (Internet Service Provider) cause they would need to fix the
reverse lookup for your IPs or domain. :)

Devin Atencio

On Wednesday 31 July 2002 03:09 pm, Paul Croft wrote:
> I have been having trouble delivering my mailing lists to AOL
> subscribers....today I spoke with a tech at AOL and he told me that the
> problem was the my site didn't have its "reverse DNS" set up correctly and
> therefore my emails were considered "suspect". His solution was to correct
> the Reverse DNS.
>
> Anyone have any clues as to how I go about doing this and exactly what it
> entails?
>
> TIA
>
> Paul
>
>
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From russ at viz.com  Wed Jul 31 23:39:37 2002
From: russ at viz.com (Russell Uman)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:39:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list of python variables for use in headers/footers
Message-ID: <022701c238da$c511cfa0$d101a8c0@viz.com>

howdy.

is there a list anywhere of variables that can be used in the headers and footers? i'm trying include the email address of the
recipient in the footer...

thanks!




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Wed Jul 31 23:52:45 2002
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 15:52:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reverse DNS
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731160841.009f4080@mail.paulsfunhouse.com> from "Paul Croft" at Jul 31, 2002 04:09:18 PM
Message-ID: <200207312152.PAA04328@mail.commercedata.com>

Hi Paul.  

Note that these instructions require you to have your own DNS.  If you don't
you'll have to get your upstream ISP to make these changes to their reverse
DNS host lookup database.

Contact your upstream ISP and ask them to delegate authority for your domain
to your primary DNS.  Then set up a reverse DNS host lookup file for your 
own DNS, if you haven't already done so.

To test it, get into nslookup and type an IP address on your network.  You
should get the host name associated with that IP address back.  For instance:

$ nslookup
Default Server:  iath.commercedata.com
Address:  208.248.173.1

> 208.248.173.32
Server:  iath.commercedata.com
Address:  208.248.173.1

Name:    mail.commercedata.com
Address:  208.248.173.32

> exit
$

Hope that helps.

- Dave Klingler



> I have been having trouble delivering my mailing lists to AOL 
> subscribers....today I spoke with a tech at AOL and he told me that the 
> problem was the my site didn't have its "reverse DNS" set up correctly and 
> therefore my emails were considered "suspect". His solution was to correct 
> the Reverse DNS.
> 
> Anyone have any clues as to how I go about doing this and exactly what it 
> entails?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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From jnash at iximd.com  Tue Jul 30 04:05:14 2002
From: jnash at iximd.com (James E. Nash)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLI pending admin
Message-ID: 

Has anyone developed a CLI version of the pending msgs administration?

Clicking through hundreds of spams is pain in the butt via the web.

Thanks In Advance

-- 
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From a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it  Tue Jul 30 08:49:50 2002
From: a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it (Alberto Marcedone)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:49:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How export data from Mailman.
References: <005e01c20cce$85a49fb0$291e6a8f@matrix>
Message-ID: <006e01c23795$4dd5b0a0$6b98fea9@studio>

I managing a web server using and older version of postfix, mailman and mandrake 7.2.

Now i need to export all data from my 3 mailing list for install a new server with the latest version of mandrake (8.2), qmail and mailman latest version.

How it's possible to export the data?
regards.
Alberto Marcedone
Italy.


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From steve at laniels.org  Tue Jul 30 17:50:59 2002
From: steve at laniels.org (Steve Laniel:)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:50:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list
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From kcasale at uchicago.edu  Tue Jul 30 18:08:48 2002
From: kcasale at uchicago.edu (\"Katherine P. Casale\")
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:08:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question
Message-ID: <1028045328.3d46ba10ee92c@webmail.uchicago.edu>

I'm a new administrator for a listhost that you host, and I cannot figure out 
how to set the e-mail addressed for the members of the listhost.  I'm in the 
Membership Management area, but on the Membership list it says "0 members 
total" and I can't figure out how to add people.

Please help!

Thanks!
Kate

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From steve at laniels.org  Tue Jul 30 19:32:34 2002
From: steve at laniels.org (Steve Laniel:)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:32:34 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated list
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From jake at crimsonlight.com  Tue Jul 30 19:38:41 2002
From: jake at crimsonlight.com (CrimsonLight.com Christian Music Reviews and More)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:38:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman $ and donation
Message-ID: <004e01c237ef$f33fc7b0$9272bad0@jake1>

Hello,

I am trying to setup mailman for a church use.

It is non profit and I will pay hosting out of my pocket etc..

Can someone install it for a nominal fee?  We can pay a small portion.  

Thanks for the quick reply and for your time.

Jake Rinard
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From FawadKhan at WoodsideNet.Com  Tue Jul 30 20:41:37 2002
From: FawadKhan at WoodsideNet.Com (Fawad Khan)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:41:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Your message to Fawad3-test awaits moderator approval
Message-ID: <3FFBC907DD03A34CA4410C5C745DEB12B7F6B1@wnimail.WoodsideNet.Com>

After creating a new test list I set the option under privacy options 
That the mails being sent to this mail need not be approved by an
Administrator but I still keep getting the following mail.

But, then it never sends me an email asking me to approve or disapprove
this
Email. Ideally I'd like it to post the mail without the approval but
cannot 
think of any other option other than the privacy option that I have
already checked.

I am the admin of the concerned list.

Thanks,
Fawad.

-----Original Message-----
From: fawad3-test-admin at gold.woodsidenet.com
[mailto:fawad3-test-admin at gold.woodsidenet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:30 AM
To: perforce at gold.eng.woodsidenet.com
Subject: Your message to Fawad3-test awaits moderator approval


Your mail to 'Fawad3-test' with the subject

    (no subject)

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

    Message has implicit destination

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.



From fredb86 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 31 07:53:32 2002
From: fredb86 at hotmail.com (Fred B)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can you install Mailman without root privileges?
Message-ID: 

I'm on a hosting service that has all the requisite
software installed (Python, Qmail, Apache, etc...).
Do I have to have root privileges if I want to
install Mailman and have it work with just my account?

Any tips are appreciated,

FB

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From Acco65 at aol.com  Wed Jul 31 17:46:00 2002
From: Acco65 at aol.com (Acco65 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:46:00 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list
Message-ID: <154.11c0d88e.2a796038@aol.com>

Hi there,

can i use your mailing list through my web site?
I want to create a mailing list web page, and the costumers will subscribe 
there.
please lmk, if it's possible.

Thanx,
Uzi.
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From becky at strathdee.org  Wed Jul 31 21:31:19 2002
From: becky at strathdee.org (Becky Strathdee)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:31:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with email
Message-ID: <000601c238c8$d8c74d70$1500a8c0@kitchen>

I have created a list called "test" and added 3 email accounts.  From the
web interface which appears to be working great, when I setup the 3
accounts, Mailman sent the welcome email to all 3 of the email accounts.

However, when I try to send an email to "test at praiseassembly.org", I get the
email back with the following error message.

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

    (reason: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mail.praiseassembly.org.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown
550 5.1.1 ... User unknown


I checked the aliases and virtualalias files and cannot find any place where
MailMan created the mail alias when it created the list.

Any ideas you have would be most helpful.





From mike at openconcept.ca  Tue Jul 16 18:15:21 2002
From: mike at openconcept.ca (Mike Gifford)
Date: 16 Jul 2002 12:15:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Exim 4.05 & Mailiman - Missing the Directors Configuration
 (update)
Message-ID: <1026836125.14977.33.camel@office.openconcept.ca>

Hello Again,

> | I'm assuming now that the Directors Config area in the runtime
> | configuration file has been removed in 4.x
> Correct.  exim4 was revamped, and the router/director distinction was
> removed.

Ok..  So when mailman's README.EXIM tells me to put files in the
Directors section, this should be the same as putting it in the ROUTERS
CONFIGURATION section as exim is no longer distinguishing between the
two.

> | If so does anyone have any suggestions on the modifications required
> | to a 4.05 setting to get mailman & exim cooperating?
> Convert the example director to a router.

I've tried to do this... I can't see how it would need any more
configuration..  However exim 4.05 seems to dislike the driver =
smartuser in the following (Now at the bottom of the Routers Config
section):

list_owner_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   suffix = "-owner"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"


The error it gives me is as follows:

[root at learningpartnership exim.mike]# bin/exim -C configure -bV
Exim version 4.05 #3 built 13-Jul-2002 23:35:22
Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2002
2002-07-16 10:31:21 Exim configuration error in line 438:
  router list_owner_director: cannot find router driver "smartuser"


I've been searching for info on this error, but I can't seem to find
much of interest.  Does exim 4.05 support a smartuser driver or has this
concept too been revised.

> The Mailman 2.1 CVS tree has instructions on using exim4.

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/README.EXIM?rev=2.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

>From this I'm guessing that 
	driver = smartuser
should be replaced by
	driver = accept

But pretty much every line in the exim config looks like it would need
to be rewritten as 
	suffix = -request
	new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
	(and likely others)
	prefix = "owner-"

all need to be rewritten for 4.0.5

> I'm sure you can combine the data in the mailman instructions and
> exim's spec to create the necessary transports and routers tailored to
> your usage of mailman.  If you have specific questions about certain
> options or something, then by all means ask.  

The are very different and I don't know enough about exim or mailman to
wade through the code and try to find something that 'may' work via
trial & error.  Could take years..

Is there a way to rewrite this easily for exim 4.05?  What other
instructions are no longer useful in the new exim and can I just replace
them?

list_owner_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   suffix = "-owner"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

owner_list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   prefix = "owner-"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

##
## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the
appropriate
## transport.  List existence is checked as above.

list_admin_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -admin
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_admin_transport

list_request_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -request
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_request_transport

list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_transport

> (I haven't personally
> configured mailman so I can't really give any better info than that)

That makes it harder..  I didn't think I was doing anything too
groundbreaking here..  this isn't the alpha release of exim..  Had hoped
that others using mailman had upgraded to a more current version of exim
than 3.33 and would have experience (and config pointers) to share.

Mike
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