From sb.list at sb.org  Sun Dec  1 01:22:13 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:22:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem when subscribing
In-Reply-To: <1396.217.174.207.250.1038689809.squirrel@ncartron.org>
Message-ID: <BA0EC065.509D5%sb.list@sb.org>

On 11/30/02 3:56 PM, "Nicolas Cartron" <nc at ncartron.org> wrote:

> Hello Stoney,
> 
>> Is qrunner running (Mailman 2.1)? Or are the qrunner cron jobs installed
>> and tested (Mailman 2.0)?
> 
> I'm running Mailman 2.0.13.
> Cron jobs are installed.
> 
>> Are there files in any of the subdirectories of mailman/qfiles?
> 
> yes, a lot in fact.
> 
>> Are you sure that you built Mailman with the correct mail-server-gid?
> 
> yes, i specified the --with-mail-gid matching my /etc/passwd file.
> 
> How can i do ?
> Is this a mailman problem ?
> I mean, postfix receives the messages and forwards them to Mailman,
> so it should be a Mailman issue ?

It sounds to me like qrunner is failing to process the queued files. Can you
test-run the cron job, exactly as it's entered, to ensure that it works?

If the queued files are in the mailman/qfiles/in directory, then I'd guess
that qrunner is unable to get to them. If they're in the
mailman/qfiles/shunt directory, then qrunner had an error processing them.
There should be something in your logs that will give you a clue about the
problem. (BTW, I'm not entirely sure about the preceeding, since I haven't
read the code.)

In any case, check the mailman/logs directory for error messages in any of
the files.

Beyond that, I don't know. I run 2.1, which has a different qrunner system.

 - Stoney



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Dec  1 01:58:39 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:58:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Demime and Stripmime 
In-Reply-To: Message from Karin Zirk <kzirk@earthlink.net> 
	<5.0.2.1.1.20021130105206.0207fea0@mail.earthlink.net> 
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021130105206.0207fea0@mail.earthlink.net> 
Message-ID: <18783.1038704319@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:52:48 -0800 
Karin Zirk <kzirk at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Has anyone tried using Demime or Stripmime to deal remove the AOL HTML
> portion of the email message?

I successfully use mimefilter -- see the FAQ and list archives for
details.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Dec  1 02:02:26 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:02:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web-based posting? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nicolas Steenhout <vavroom@bmee.net> 
	<5.1.0.14.0.20021129205549.05098aa8@mail.bmee.net> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021129205549.05098aa8@mail.bmee.net> 
Message-ID: <18947.1038704546@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:02:27 -0500 
Nicolas Steenhout <vavroom at bmee.net> wrote:

> I want for the list to be restricted to registered users (no problem
> so far).  I want user's registration to be approved by the admin
> before they can become active.  I want users to be able to read the
> list on the web (no problem, archives, right?).  Most importantly, I
> would like users to be able to POST to the list from the web.

Please see the FAQ for how I do this under PHP:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From alvitar at xavax.com  Sun Dec  1 03:49:15 2002
From: alvitar at xavax.com (Phillip L. Harbison)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:49:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Web-based posting?
Message-ID: <3DE978AB.8050008@xavax.com>

Elaine Miller wrote:
 > Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
 > > I want for the list to be restricted to registered users [...]
 > > Most importantly, I would like users to be able to POST to the
 > > list from the web.
 >
 > Hmm. Seems like one ought to be able to set up a simple formmail
 > on an html page, since Formmail sends to the set address as coming
 > "from" the email address the user enters.

I assume Nicolas wants a solution that only allows registered users
to post to the list using the web.  I have a similar need.

 > Might be harder to stop spammers with this one...

Exactly.  I have a simple form and a CGI written in Perl that allows
anyone to send mail as long as they know a password.  Unfortunately,
the only way for the entire list to use this is to broadcast the
password to the list (which is NOT a Good Thing(tm)).  What I would
like is a CGI that would look up the password in Mailman's user DB.
Has anyone done this?  If not, I will put on my programming hat and
learn python.

-- 
Phil Harbison




From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Dec  1 05:43:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:43:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Felix F." <felix@pz4.org> 
	<001501c29763$33129ed0$6c01a8c0@felixnjnj4whk5> 
References: <001501c29763$33129ed0$6c01a8c0@felixnjnj4whk5> 
Message-ID: <21412.1038717826@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 20:53:00 -0800 
Felix F <felix at pz4.org> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to remove the headers Mailman places into a
> sent out e-mail? I'm specifically talking about headers such as:

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From ssharma at odc.net  Sun Dec  1 07:24:22 2002
From: ssharma at odc.net (Ajay Sharma)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:24:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] withlist changepw.py help
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211302220340.18467-100000@centauri.odc.net>


Hello,

I'm not a python programmer, but I can get around.  Anyway, I started to 
play with the "/bin/withlist" program to get a command-line method to 
change passwords.  My changepw.py program looks like:

import string

def changepw(mlist, addr, newpasswd):
        addr = string.lower(addr)
        if mlist.passwords.has_key(addr):
                mlist.passwords[string.lower(addr)] = newpasswd
                mlist.Save()
        else:
                print 'No address matched:', addr

and when I run it:

[mailman at server bin]$ ./withlist -l -r changepw list addr newpass
Loading list: list (locked)
Importing changepw ...
Running changepw.changepw() ...
Unlocking (but not saving) list: list
Finalizing

So why doesn't it save the changes to the list after the password is 
changed??

Thanks,
ajay

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Satyajot (Ajay) Sharma 
ssharma at odc.net
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From sisa1099 at bibliotheeknieuwegein.nl  Sun Dec  1 11:25:27 2002
From: sisa1099 at bibliotheeknieuwegein.nl (Ron Bogerd)
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:25:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021201112223.02cccc30@193.173.55.147>

Morning everyone,

I just started setting up Mailman on a Debianserver using apt-get install 
... All seem to go well but if I try to use mailman i see the following 
errormessage in /var/log/mailman/error:

Dec 01 11:24:03 2002 qrunner(10720): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10720'
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): Traceback (most recent call last):
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):   File 
"/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):   File 
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):      self.__write()
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):   File 
"/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):      fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10723'

Can anyone tell me where I went wrong ???




From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec  1 13:23:40 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:23:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *some* subscribers don't get mail
Message-ID: <20021201122340.1594@smtp.ntlworld.com>

Mailman 2.0.13 / Sendmail

I've set up a Mailman list which all seems to work fine.

I subscribed myself [me at mydomain.tld] as the first subscriber, sent and
received a test message. Sure everything was okay I subscribed more
people using the 'auto-subscribe' feature. Those people got mail and replied.

But me at mydomain.tld didn't get their replies, or any mail. I subscribed
another address at mydomain.tld, unsubscribed the me@ address and
resubscribed it. So I now have to subscriptions to mydomain.tld. So I
should get two copies of all posts - the 'membership options' confirm my
settings.

But I don't, I only get one copy. And I don't know to which account as my
host seems to have stripped out the 'to' or 'for' line from my headers.

My maillog shows mail being sent out to all subscribers, including both
my addresses at mydomain.tld

This seems odd to me and makes me worry that not all subscribers might be
receiving mail although as far as I can see they should be.

Is there a bug or did I do something wrong/stupid?

--
DavidGordon





From nielsodc at networkhead.com  Sun Dec  1 14:56:25 2002
From: nielsodc at networkhead.com (Dean Nielson)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:56:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces Were Put in New List Name - How Do I Delete It
Message-ID: <E87C2AD9F77D694383C61B0EC651C9E40212C8@s1w.10.0.0.0>

Hi,
 
I recently installed the latest version of mailman on RedHat 7.2 with
it's patches and verified that all Mailman required software
requirements were met.  I created a new list with spaces in the name and
now am trying to delete the list.  I've tried rmlist with the list name
surrounded in single-quoted and in double-quotes.  I've added "\" before
each space with no success.  Any ideas?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Dean
 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 16:29:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 10:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spaces Were Put in New List Name - How Do I
	Delete It
In-Reply-To: <E87C2AD9F77D694383C61B0EC651C9E40212C8@s1w.10.0.0.0>
References: <E87C2AD9F77D694383C61B0EC651C9E40212C8@s1w.10.0.0.0>
Message-ID: <1038756570.1614.11.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This comes up often enough that I think it's in the FAQ.

Basically you can delete the directories associated with the list and
that's that. The following directories are created when you create a
list:
  ~mailman/lists/<listname>
  ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>
  ~mailman/archives/private/<listname>.mbox
  ~mailman/archives/public/<listname>
  ~mailman/archives/public/<listname>.mbox

If you delete those directories, then you have deleted the list! One of
the nice things about Mailman is its simplicity.

Good Luck!

Jon Carnes
======
On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 08:56, Dean Nielson wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I recently installed the latest version of mailman on RedHat 7.2 with
> it's patches and verified that all Mailman required software
> requirements were met.  I created a new list with spaces in the name and
> now am trying to delete the list.  I've tried rmlist with the list name
> surrounded in single-quoted and in double-quotes.  I've added "\" before
> each space with no success.  Any ideas?
>  
> Thanks in advance,
>  
> Dean
>  
> ----
> 

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 16:36:41 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 10:36:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *some* subscribers don't get mail
In-Reply-To: <20021201122340.1594@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021201122340.1594@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1038757005.1614.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

>From what you have said below, this seems to be a problem with your MTA
and not related to mailman.  Especially since your logs indicate that
the mail goes out.

You might check for a local routing problem - or that your aliases file
has been properly setup.

Good Luck.

On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 07:23, David Gordon wrote:
> Mailman 2.0.13 / Sendmail
> 
> I've set up a Mailman list which all seems to work fine.
> 
> I subscribed myself [me at mydomain.tld] as the first subscriber, sent and
> received a test message. Sure everything was okay I subscribed more
> people using the 'auto-subscribe' feature. Those people got mail and replied.
> 
> But me at mydomain.tld didn't get their replies, or any mail. I subscribed
> another address at mydomain.tld, unsubscribed the me@ address and
> resubscribed it. So I now have to subscriptions to mydomain.tld. So I
> should get two copies of all posts - the 'membership options' confirm my
> settings.
> 
> But I don't, I only get one copy. And I don't know to which account as my
> host seems to have stripped out the 'to' or 'for' line from my headers.
> 
> My maillog shows mail being sent out to all subscribers, including both
> my addresses at mydomain.tld
> 
> This seems odd to me and makes me worry that not all subscribers might be
> receiving mail although as far as I can see they should be.
> 
> Is there a bug or did I do something wrong/stupid?
> 
> --
> DavidGordon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 16:44:39 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 10:44:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up Mailman
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021201112223.02cccc30@193.173.55.147>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021201112223.02cccc30@193.173.55.147>
Message-ID: <1038757483.1614.27.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Could it be what the error says it is: a permissions problem?

Have you run the ~mailman/bin/check_perms program from Mailman? In
particular you need to look at the owner/group for the ~mailman/locks
directory and its rights mask.

I suspect that you may have more problems than just that. You might want
to search the archives and use the keyword "Debian". They do things
quite different from the recommend, so the apt get install on Debian is
almost as screwy as the RPM installs on other distro's.

On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 05:25, Ron Bogerd wrote:
> Morning everyone,
> 
> I just started setting up Mailman on a Debianserver using apt-get install 
> ... All seem to go well but if I try to use mailman i see the following 
> errormessage in /var/log/mailman/error:
> 
> Dec 01 11:24:03 2002 qrunner(10720): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
> denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10720'
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):      self.__write()
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723):      fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
> Dec 01 11:25:02 2002 qrunner(10723): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission 
> denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.bogerd.10723'
> 
> Can anyone tell me where I went wrong ???
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 16:53:46 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 10:53:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Web-based posting?
In-Reply-To: <3DE978AB.8050008@xavax.com>
References: <3DE978AB.8050008@xavax.com>
Message-ID: <1038758030.1618.33.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Check out this FAQ:
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp

It has a script to dump out the users email addresses and passwords to a
file that is usable via apache for authentication.  It does exactly what
you need.

But don't let that stop you from writing a Python program for managing
the passwords stored in the database.  I'm toying with that right now
myself (as are some others based on very recent posting!)

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 21:49, Phillip L. Harbison wrote:
> Elaine Miller wrote:
>  > Nicolas Steenhout wrote:
>  > > I want for the list to be restricted to registered users [...]
>  > > Most importantly, I would like users to be able to POST to the
>  > > list from the web.
>  >
>  > Hmm. Seems like one ought to be able to set up a simple formmail
>  > on an html page, since Formmail sends to the set address as coming
>  > "from" the email address the user enters.
> 
> I assume Nicolas wants a solution that only allows registered users
> to post to the list using the web.  I have a similar need.
> 
>  > Might be harder to stop spammers with this one...
> 
> Exactly.  I have a simple form and a CGI written in Perl that allows
> anyone to send mail as long as they know a password.  Unfortunately,
> the only way for the entire list to use this is to broadcast the
> password to the list (which is NOT a Good Thing(tm)).  What I would
> like is a CGI that would look up the password in Mailman's user DB.
> Has anyone done this?  If not, I will put on my programming hat and
> learn python.
> 
> -- 
> Phil Harbison
> 
> 
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 17:20:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 11:20:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] VirtualHosting and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <001001c29877$60f60020$0164a8c0@rambo>
References: <001001c29877$60f60020$0164a8c0@rambo>
Message-ID: <1038759615.1618.43.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This question has been answered many times. If it is not in the FAQ then
it is certainly in the archives of the list - look at the footer of any
message from the list for links to both the FAQ and the Archives.

Basically, you should consider using Postfix in place of sendmail for
your MTA.  Postfix does a much better job of handling virtual mail (at
least when it comes to sending from a Virtual Domain).

Also, Mailman version 2.1.x does a better job of handling Virtual
Domains - though that version is still in the later stages of being a
Beta release.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 08:49, Ram Prasad wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have installed mailman successfully, and would like to know how I can
> do virtualhosting... The scenario is:
> 1) the client wants to have his own listman page ( for the lists of his
> domain, say, news at abc.org)
> 2) now, since we also run lists for other domains, the address
> news at abc.org is conflicting with news at xyz.org.
> 
> I am using sendmail as my MTA.
> 
> I would like to know how I can do virtual hosting with mailman. Any
> pointers to articles on the net is also fine.. Please help
> 
> 
> Ram Prasad. P
> http://www.megalinux.net
>  
> 
> 
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From nc at ncartron.org  Sun Dec  1 18:35:16 2002
From: nc at ncartron.org (Nicolas Cartron)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 17:35:16 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem when subscribing]
Message-ID: <1041.217.174.207.250.1038764116.squirrel@ncartron.org>

>> yes, i specified the --with-mail-gid matching my /etc/passwd file.
>>
>> How can i do ?
>> Is this a mailman problem ?
>> I mean, postfix receives the messages and forwards them to Mailman,
>> so it should be a Mailman issue ?
>
> It sounds to me like qrunner is failing to process the queued files.
> Can you test-run the cron job, exactly as it's entered, to ensure that
> it works?
>
> If the queued files are in the mailman/qfiles/in directory, then I'd
> guess that qrunner is unable to get to them. If they're in the
> mailman/qfiles/shunt directory, then qrunner had an error processing
> them. There should be something in your logs that will give you a clue
> about the problem. (BTW, I'm not entirely sure about the preceeding,
> since I haven't read the code.)
>
> In any case, check the mailman/logs directory for error messages in
> any of the files.

All,

OK, i found what was wrong : mail wrapper isn't running with the right
gid/uid, but i trid both 0 and 65534 id (./configure
--with-mail-gid=65534 or 0) : if i set it to 0, Mailman answers it
should be 65534, and if i set it to 65534, that it should be 0...
I don't understand... I think i'm not far away from the success, but...

Thanks again to the hole list.


-- 
Nicolas Cartron




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 17:29:49 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 11:29:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automating Gnu Mailman List Updates
In-Reply-To: <3DE4EC06.3050109@cbs.umn.edu>
References: <3DE4EC06.3050109@cbs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1038760194.1614.47.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I believe you will find that the Command Line Interface will handle
everything you need.  In particular you might want to look at
"sync_members"

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.009.htp

On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 11:00, Jim Smith wrote:
> Hi...
> 
> I have a Perl-based organization data management system from which I 
> will be exracting the e-mail address of individuals and assigning to 
> various Gnu Mailman managed e-mail lists. This needs to be automated so 
> that the e-mail lists are continually up-to-date with the data contained 
> within the organization data management system.
> 
> In order to do this I need either a Perl module that accesses Gnu 
> Mailman list objects or a Command Line Interface to the Gnu Mailman 
> system. Are either of these available?
> 
> In general, is there a Gnu Mailman model for automating the updates of 
> Gnu Mailman list objects, without using the Web Interface?
> 
> Jim
> 
> -- 
> ------
> Jim Smith
> Assistant Coordinator
> Information Technology Group
> College of Biological Sciences
> 247 Gortner Lab
> University of Minnesota
> 1.612.625.6208 - josjr at umn.edu
> 
> <:BASS:< - Biology Application Server System
> ALDER - Acaptive Life Directory for Extensible Reporting
> BIRCH - Biological Information Resource for Career Help
> FERN  - Florae Environment Resource Network (CBS Greenhouse)
> IRIS  - Image Repository Information System
> WREN  - Web-based Research Education Network
> 
> 
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec  1 17:49:07 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 01 Dec 2002 11:49:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail vulnerability (via smrsh)
Message-ID: <1038761348.5668.56.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Take note those of us who rely on Sendmail (and smrsh) as our MTA:

  http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-11-28-008-26-SC-MD-SW




From summer at computerdatasafe.com.au  Sun Dec  1 00:30:26 2002
From: summer at computerdatasafe.com.au (John Summerfield)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:30:26 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives and email addresses
Message-ID: <200212010730.26854.summer@computerdatasafe.com.au>

It doesn't do a complete job of obscuring email addresses in archived email.

1. Some email clients use the users' email address as the base of the 
message-id. 

2. Mailmain doesn't obscure email addresses in the body, so if this message 
were archived, then mailman-archival-error at computerdatasafe.com.au would 
appear in the archive and be accessible to so-called harvesters of email 
addresses.

I would like the ability to perform a one-way transformation on _all_ email 
addresses.

I fear that obfuscation techniques such as 
"mailman-archival-error at nospam.computerdatasafe.com.au" and 
"mailman-archival-error at computerdatasafe dot com dot au" are becoming 
well-known enough that writers of the harvesting software will code round it. 
However, removing email addresses from lines such as 
"MAILER-DAEMON at Computerdatasafe.com.au said:" is safe, and as a writer to 
numerous lists, my intended audience is those subscribed to the list; if 
archival copies are less complete that's fine by me. If I want someone to 
write direct to me, I will spell out the email address.

Many people go to extraordinary lengths to reduce spam; the more mailing-list 
software does to help the better for all of is.




From chris at yonderway.com  Sun Dec  1 21:10:55 2002
From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:10:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives and email addresses
In-Reply-To: <200212010730.26854.summer@computerdatasafe.com.au>
Message-ID: <FF6232EE-0568-11D7-B854-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>

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On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 06:30 PM, John Summerfield wrote:

> It doesn't do a complete job of obscuring email addresses in archived 
> email.
[snip]
> 2. Mailmain doesn't obscure email addresses in the body, so if this 
> message
> were archived, then mailman-archival-error at computerdatasafe.com.au 
> would
> appear in the archive and be accessible to so-called harvesters of 
> email
> addresses.

So be it.  IMHO, if an email address is in the message body, it 
*should* be archived.  It is easy for a user to render their email 
address relatively unrecognizable to harvesters if they so desire 
(indeed, this has been a common practice for years).

> However, removing email addresses from lines such as
> "MAILER-DAEMON at Computerdatasafe.com.au said:" is safe, and as a writer 
> to
> numerous lists, my intended audience is those subscribed to the list; 
> if
> archival copies are less complete that's fine by me. If I want someone 
> to
> write direct to me, I will spell out the email address.

Yowzer.  I'm *very* against outright deletion of addresses.   If you 
want to do this, go ahead and write your own patch for it, but please 
don't put this in the public release.

> Many people go to extraordinary lengths to reduce spam; the more 
> mailing-list
> software does to help the better for all of is.

- -1

Chris Hedemark .. Hillsborough, NC .. http://yonderway.com
Homeland Security begins at home; support your Second Amendment.


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From jimpop at rocketship.com  Sun Dec  1 22:18:14 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:18:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archives and email addresses
In-Reply-To: <FF6232EE-0568-11D7-B854-0003939CC61E@yonderway.com>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGCEBCFAAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hedemark <chris at yonderway.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:11 PM
>
> It is easy for a user to render their email address relatively
> unrecognizable to harvesters if they so desire (indeed, this
> has been a common practice for years).

That is false.    Case in point.... Your email address is now archived
whether you wanted it public or not.  You had no control over this.... none
whatsoever.

-Jim P.





From fish at livingsky.net  Mon Dec  2 01:10:04 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:10:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple emails
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAOEMBDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>

Now that I have fixed the log and permission problems, I have come across
another one that I haven't seen posted anywhere. When I send mail to the
list (in this case "test") I get three copies for each address in the list
(all of which come to me since I created for the purpose of testing). Can
anyone tell me why I am getting three copies to each address? This only
happens on this one list.

Robert Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca



From pturner at EDOW.ORG  Mon Dec  2 01:28:46 2002
From: pturner at EDOW.ORG (Peter Turner)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:28:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] names of list subscribers
Message-ID: <21E11E066AB2324698D953E370F1DE2510BE85@diocese-pdc.EDOW.ORG>

Is there any way to include additional fields in the subscription form for a list? We are running a list where the list manager's approval is needed for those subscribing and it would help to have the subscribers name, etc. before approving for list membership.
Many thanks
Peter

Peter Turner, IT Administrator
Episcopal Church House - Diocese of Washington
202-537-6540 - pturner at edow.org - www.edow.org


From edwin at ironstone.com.au  Mon Dec  2 01:40:56 2002
From: edwin at ironstone.com.au (Edwin Humphries)
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 11:40:56 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration
Message-ID: <3DEB46C8.17285.EA40CF@localhost>

I'm a relative newbie, trying to set up Mailman on a RH7.2 box.

I've installed into the default locations, tested as suggested, and set up a "test" list. My 
mailbox receives the "Your new mailing list" message. Clicking on the links gets a 404 message. 
I've enabled the execcgi in httpd.conf for the mailman/cgi-bin directory.

The apache error_log file shows:
[error] [client 144.137.89.83] File does not exist: /var/www/html/admin/test
[error] [client 144.137.89.83] File does not exist: /var/www/html/listinfo/test

Can anyone advise further?

Edwin Humphries,
Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd
edwin at ironstone.com.au
Phone: 02 4233 2299
Fax: 02 4233 2299
Mobile: 0419 233 051


From gary at noneleft.org  Mon Dec  2 10:33:00 2002
From: gary at noneleft.org (gary at noneleft.org)
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 05:33:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having trouble
In-Reply-To: <mailman.229.1038604686.4234.mailman-users@python.org>
Message-ID: <RN3VE0BATR3LFLGB8YU1YXVSRQMIG76.3deb28cc@FOWLESG>

Hi,

I keep getting this returned mail message :

Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

No idea what this means - apart from something is broken :o) can anyone help ?

I am running Redhat 7.3 and Exim as the MTA - I can subscribe fine, but get the above when I attempt to confirm the subscription.

Regards

Gary




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  2 15:04:17 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Dec 2002 09:04:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Having trouble
In-Reply-To: <RN3VE0BATR3LFLGB8YU1YXVSRQMIG76.3deb28cc@FOWLESG>
References: <RN3VE0BATR3LFLGB8YU1YXVSRQMIG76.3deb28cc@FOWLESG>
Message-ID: <1038837862.1614.2.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This is either a configuration problem or a rights problem.  What GID
(group ID) does Exim run as?  Did you setup Mailman to expect that GID?
Is Exim limiting access to scripts/programs via email - will it allow an
email to be sent to the Mailman "wrapper" program?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

Good Luck!

On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 04:33, gary at noneleft.org wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I keep getting this returned mail message :
> 
> Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command:
>     /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> 
> No idea what this means - apart from something is broken :o) can anyone help ?
> 
> I am running Redhat 7.3 and Exim as the MTA - I can subscribe fine, but get the above when I attempt to confirm the subscription.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From JMKing at ipro.org  Mon Dec  2 19:55:02 2002
From: JMKing at ipro.org (Jaz-Michael King)
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:55:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TO address munged
Message-ID: <sdeb64dd.051@mail.ipro.org>

Hi, I've browsed the archives for an hour, can't find an answer.

I'm getting the MX loop error, but it is _not_ related to local domains, 
these are remote domains that I have nothing to do with.

Mailman seems to be appending my domain to outgoing emails, e.g.

>>>>START SNIP

The original message was received at Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:07:25 -0700 (MST)
from ipro.us [161.58.192.48]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<user at domain.com>
    (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
553 5.3.5 domain.com.ipro.us. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error

<<<< END SNIP

You can see that Mailman has added my domain (ipro.us) to the delivery address
user at domain.com, trying to send to user at domain.com.ipro.us 

If I open the attached msg that Mailman had sent the TO line is user at domain.com.ipro.us 

While moving the list to Mailman, I had to "Mass Subscribe" a bunch of people. I
don't know if that's relevant.

I checked about 20 of these addresses in the list management interface, they seem fine.

Any ideas? I'm running freebsd and sendmail on Verio VPS servers, if that helps.

Jaz

******************************
Jaz-Michael King
Online Services Manager
IPRO
http://ipro.org
******************************




From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Mon Dec  2 20:41:33 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong sender information?
Message-ID: <20021202144133.A14940@dogpound.vnet.net>

Using mailman 2.0.13 & python 1.5.2 on a redhat 7.3 machine.
Mailman installed from tarball, python from rpm.

My monthly reminders go out and thats just fine, but all the messages say they're coming from my first list.  For example.

Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:29:30 -0500
Message-ID: <20021202192930.14802.80998.Mailman at dogpound>
Subject: dogpound.vnet.net mailing list memberships reminder
From: mailman-owner at dogpound
To: someone at somewhere.org
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: list-admin at dogpound
Errors-To: list-admin at dogpound
X-BeenThere: list at dogpound
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13
Precedence: bulk

<snip message body>

Passwords for someone at somewhere.org:

List                                     Password // URL
----                                     --------
anotherlist at dogpound                  AJdk
http://dogpound/mailman/options/anotherlist/someone%40somewhere.org



Yes I know thoes don't resolve, just trying to dodge some of the harvesters.

Anyway...  It's the Sender: Errors-To: and X-BeenThere: headers I'm concerned about.  Weather the person is on the list or not, it says it comes from that one list.  Which doesn't concern me too much, but it doesn't seem like that's how it's supposta work.

Tell me if I'm off the mark or onto something?


--
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http://dogpound.vnet.net/
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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Mon Dec  2 21:26:39 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:26:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spamming
In-Reply-To: <1038837862.1614.2.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00f001c29a41$1e915d30$410bee84@FDUJACK>


Hey All
How can I stop a non member to post to the lists?
Thanks
jack
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jsingh=fdu.edu at python.org] On Behalf Of
Jon Carnes
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:04 AM
To: gary at noneleft.org
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Having trouble

This is either a configuration problem or a rights problem.  What GID
(group ID) does Exim run as?  Did you setup Mailman to expect that GID?
Is Exim limiting access to scripts/programs via email - will it allow an
email to be sent to the Mailman "wrapper" program?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

Good Luck!

On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 04:33, gary at noneleft.org wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I keep getting this returned mail message :
> 
> Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
command:
>     /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> 
> No idea what this means - apart from something is broken :o) can
anyone help ?
> 
> I am running Redhat 7.3 and Exim as the MTA - I can subscribe fine,
but get the above when I attempt to confirm the subscription.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com



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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Dec  2 21:41:55 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 02 Dec 2002 15:41:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing python-modules on mailmain setup
In-Reply-To: <001301c2988e$974ab9b0$1e00a8c0@craig>
References: <001301c2988e$974ab9b0$1e00a8c0@craig>
Message-ID: <1038861719.18086.15.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 11:36, Craig Isdahl wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> First off, my linux skills are in the learning stage so this may
> be a very silly question.  I'm trying to setup mailman and I
> have installed apache-1.3.23-14, postfix-1.1.7-2, and
> python-1.5.2-38.  This is RH 7.3 and the installed python is the
> single "python" selection from the RH installation disk.  When I
> tried to install mailman-2.0.13-6.i386.rpm I get:
> 
> [root at lists root]# rpm -Uvh mailman-2.0.13-6.i386.rpm
> error: failed dependencies:
>         crondaemon is needed by mailman-2.0.13-6
>         python-modules is needed by mailman-2.0.13-6
> 
> So I checked the archives and it was suggested I needed to
> install python-devel-1.5.2-38.  I also installed the docs and
> tools for the same version.  I'm still receiving the same error
> as above.
> 
> Two obvious questions:
>  - what is meant by python-modules since I can't seem to find
> them on searches?
>
>  - I have the crondaemon installed and running, isn't it crond
> below?  If so why the error message?

I think the same discussion applies to both questions.

Where did you get the RPM that you're using?  I don't think you got it
from Red Hat, because mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm is the latest RPM for
Red Hat Linux 7.3.  In general, it's pretty important only to use RPMs
designed for specific Linux distributions, unless you really know what
you're doing.  Please try the Red Hat rpm (the software inside is the
same thing, Mailman 2.0.13) and you shouldn't get the same dependency
problems.

To find out information about an RPM's maker, etc., run "rpm -qip
filename.rpm" .  If you run that command on the Red Hat Linux
mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, you'll see a bunch of EXTREMELY important
setup notes -- things you must do after installing the RPM.  Follow
those instructions!  Don't complain if you don't follow them and stuff
doesn't work!  *grin*

Alternatively, you should consider using the "tar.gz" source version of
mailman, available from any of the mailman distribution sites such as
list.org, instead of an RPM.  This is the version that's more widely
used and supported more commonly on this mailing list.  But I do
understand the many advantages of installing all software via RPM.

--Jeremy



From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Mon Dec  2 21:47:22 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong sender information?
In-Reply-To: <3DEE2DCD@webmail.ualberta.ca>;
	from dennis.black@ualberta.ca on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 01:06:27PM -0700
References: <3DEE2DCD@webmail.ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <20021202154722.A15477@dogpound.vnet.net>

I think I see where it's coming from..

line 107 of cron/mailpasswds

|        mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
|        if not a_public_list and mlist.advertised:
|            a_public_list = mlist
|        if not mlist.send_reminders:
|            continue
|        listaddr = mlist.GetListEmail()
|        listreq = mlist.GetRequestEmail()
|        umbrella = mlist.umbrella_list

So it is intentional.  and fruther up the file i see..

|def mail_passwords(mlist, hosts):
|    """Send each user their complete list of passwords.
|
|    The list can be any random one - it is only used for the message
|    delivery mechanism.  Users are grouped by virtual host.
|    """

So they pick one and use it to send from, and the one they pick is public and advertized, which would pose little risk..  Which now that I think about it, that makes sense why its done..

So just ignore my last post, from the looks of it, thats just "How it is, deal with it."

* Dennis Black (dennis.black at ualberta.ca) wrote:
> Matthew, I've mentioned this on the list, along with half a dozen others.
> I've tried to find time to fix it myself, but nothing yet.
> It's the address of your first 'public' list, which doesn't make sense
> to me either.

--
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http://dogpound.vnet.net/
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From dennis at fishroom.net  Mon Dec  2 22:00:07 2002
From: dennis at fishroom.net (Dennis Heltzel)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:00:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the To: header for outgoing mail
Message-ID: <14280.207.106.123.10.1038862807.squirrel@webmail.heltzel.org>

I am setting up a private list using mailman and we would like the
outgoing mail to indicate that it is going to the recipient, not the name
of the mail list (we don't really want them to know they are on a "list",
to make it more personal). I think I could use aliases for this, but I
already have mailman set up for other lists and would like to be able to
use the web interface to add/remove members.

Some searching through the archive and with google didn't turn up any
helpful ideas, and I'm hoping that someone on the list has already done
this.

I'm running version 2.0.13 on RedHat 8, if that helps.

Thanks!

Dennis




From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Mon Dec  2 22:04:07 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:04:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the To: header for outgoing mail
In-Reply-To: <14280.207.106.123.10.1038862807.squirrel@webmail.heltzel.org>;
	from dennis@fishroom.net on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:00:07PM -0500
References: <14280.207.106.123.10.1038862807.squirrel@webmail.heltzel.org>
Message-ID: <20021202160407.A15669@dogpound.vnet.net>

You'll have to upgrade to v2.1 to get this feature.  Check the archives, there was a lengthy discussion about the pro's and con's of this feature.

* Dennis Heltzel (dennis at fishroom.net) wrote:
> I am setting up a private list using mailman and we would like the
> outgoing mail to indicate that it is going to the recipient, not the name
> of the mail list (we don't really want them to know they are on a "list",
> to make it more personal). I think I could use aliases for this, but I
> already have mailman set up for other lists and would like to be able to
> use the web interface to add/remove members.
> 
> Some searching through the archive and with google didn't turn up any
> helpful ideas, and I'm hoping that someone on the list has already done
> this.
> 
> I'm running version 2.0.13 on RedHat 8, if that helps.

--
Matthew Davis
http://dogpound.vnet.net/
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From mark at fcs.uga.edu  Mon Dec  2 22:29:08 2002
From: mark at fcs.uga.edu (Mark Toomey)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:29:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only request alerts
Message-ID: <20021202162908.B23141@fcs.uga.edu>

Is there a pref I can set to only have the list admin receive requests for
subscription, but not have to ever deal with spammers, i.e. have all
non-request attempted postings just deleted automatically?

Sorry if this is already explained, but I can't seem to find it.

Thanks!


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Family & Consumer Sciences, UGA
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voice:706-542-4738 - fax:706-542-4168
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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Mon Dec  2 22:43:07 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:43:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spamming
Message-ID: <00f401c29a4b$cd468210$410bee84@FDUJACK>

Mailman warns me of using the config option, even though all I wanna do
is change one property which is to change
Member_posting_only=1
Can anyone suggest of a better way
Thanks
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From andreas.beder at chello.at  Tue Dec  3 00:47:05 2002
From: andreas.beder at chello.at (Andreas Beder)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:47:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instlaling Mailman
References: <MNEOJIDCKOGFJKENOAHEKEAOCPAA.cdark@wildlife-resort.com>
Message-ID: <00ca01c29a5d$1ef98420$0300a8c0@win2k>

Hi There...  
i install mailman version 2.0.11 under debian kernel 2.2 ...
after the inst. steps all look very niceley 
i recived an email from my server with the password an 
links to configure my mailing list ....   

but there is the problem -......  
i can?t login...?!? 
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.11

Maybe anyone out there can help me to translate the error.log file :

Dec 03 00:29:02 2002 qrunner(743):      self.__write()
Dec 03 00:29:02 2002 qrunner(743):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py"
, line 350, in __write
Dec 03 00:29:02 2002 qrunner(743):      fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
Dec 03 00:29:02 2002 qrunner(743): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/va
r/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.clusterONE.743'
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766): Traceback (most recent call last):
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line
276, in ?
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766):      lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py"
, line 219, in lock
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766):      self.__write()
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py"
, line 350, in __write
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766):      fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
Dec 03 00:30:02 2002 qrunner(766): IOError :  [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/va
r/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.clusterONE.766'


Best Regards 

Andreas




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From adel.m at myrealbox.com  Tue Dec  3 00:59:57 2002
From: adel.m at myrealbox.com (Adel Mobarak)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:59:57 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i need help for instal
Message-ID: <001301c29a5e$ef3b9d20$e1b0b8d5@pcdbsfwr3ym1n2>

I don't know how to install mailman mailing list
If anybody can help me I
I am waiting for help on my e-mail
 
Adel.m at myrealbox.com 
 
Regards
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec  3 03:00:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 02 Dec 2002 21:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only request alerts
In-Reply-To: <20021202162908.B23141@fcs.uga.edu>
References: <20021202162908.B23141@fcs.uga.edu>
Message-ID: <1038880819.1610.6.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I think this feature is available in version 3.1.x
If not, you could easily modify the work-around used in 3.0.x (that is
outlined in the FAQ).  Basically you turn off immediate notification, so
the only moderator message is sent at 5pm local server time.  At 4:59
you use a filter to remove unwanted messages waiting for moderation. 

The tricky part for you will be modifying the request.db file.

Good luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 16:29, Mark Toomey wrote:
> Is there a pref I can set to only have the list admin receive requests for
> subscription, but not have to ever deal with spammers, i.e. have all
> non-request attempted postings just deleted automatically?
> 
> Sorry if this is already explained, but I can't seem to find it.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mark Toomey, Systems & Network Manager
> Family & Consumer Sciences, UGA
> mark at fcs dot uga dot edu 
> Owner: USG-TECH & COOLTECH Listservs
> voice:706-542-4738 - fax:706-542-4168
> Linux: The Power of Choice
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From shu.ung at anu.edu.au  Tue Dec  3 04:59:52 2002
From: shu.ung at anu.edu.au (Shu Ung)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:59:52 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing create
Message-ID: <AD05F6EC-0673-11D7-880B-000393A43728@anu.edu.au>

Hi,

I would like to customise the CGI script "create". I have changed the 
file "create.py" in the Mailman/Cgi directory in the Mailman source, 
recompile it and install it in
~mailman/cgi-bin directory. However, this version of create doesn't  
seem to be able to accept the correct list creation password telling me 
'You are not authorized to create new mailing lists'. Is there some 
other scripts I need to update too?

Thanks,
Shu



From andy at acpearch.com  Tue Dec  3 06:10:48 2002
From: andy at acpearch.com (Andrew C. Pearch at ACPearch)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:10:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news letter only
Message-ID: <03a901c29a8a$5af7f880$6400a8c0@D7L47S11>

can this program be set up as a news letter only, not let the members post.
Andrew C. Pearch
Michigan Photographic Exchange
3493 Braeburn Cir
Ann Arbor, Mi 48108
734.971.0314
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From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Dec  3 06:27:41 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:27:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news letter only
In-Reply-To: <03a901c29a8a$5af7f880$6400a8c0@D7L47S11>;
	from andy@acpearch.com on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 12:10:48AM -0500
References: <03a901c29a8a$5af7f880$6400a8c0@D7L47S11>
Message-ID: <20021203002741.B2700@dogpound.vnet.net>

Check the FAQ if its not in there, it should be.  And check the archives for this.  It's asked about every 2-3 days.

* Andrew C. Pearch at ACPearch (andy at acpearch.com) wrote:
> can this program be set up as a news letter only, not let the members post.
> Andrew C. Pearch
> Michigan Photographic Exchange
> 3493 Braeburn Cir
> Ann Arbor, Mi 48108
> 734.971.0314

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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> 
> This message was sent to: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net
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From fish at livingsky.net  Tue Dec  3 06:33:41 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:33:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] another log problem
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAGENHDHAA.fish@livingsky.net>

I am getting some weird log messages, weird because I can't figure out where
the bad commands are coming from.

These are both from Cron Daemon

log 1 -
Cron <list at fish> /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/clear-requests test
/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/local/bin/python2.2: No such file or directory

log2
Cron <mailman at fish> /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S
/usr/local/mailman/cron/clear-requests test
/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/local/bin/python2.2: No such file or directory

Now, I know that the problem is that a file is looking for
/usr/local/bin/python2.2, which indeed does not exist on my system, but what
cron job is calling for this. I checked all the files in
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/ and there is nothing calling for python2.2. I also
recognize that I will have to amend the call from /usr/local/mailman.. to
/usr/lib/mailman.. but I can't do that until I know which script is being
used here.

Bob Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca

"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"



From john at io.com  Tue Dec  3 09:34:29 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:34:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Only request alerts
In-Reply-To: <1038880819.1610.6.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <20021202162908.B23141@fcs.uga.edu>
	<1038880819.1610.6.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021203083429.GC23989@io.com>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> [2002-12-02 21:00:14 -0500]:
> I think this feature is available in version 3.1.x
> If not, you could easily modify the work-around used in 3.0.x (that is
> outlined in the FAQ).

  There are FAQ entries for 3.0.x features already?  Geez those guys are
planning ahead!

  :p 

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From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec  3 10:06:12 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:06:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding email addresses in archive
Message-ID: <20021203090612.1811@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I think someone recently said hiding email adddresses in the body of
archive messages was a bad thing to do. Maybe, however some people would
like to be reassured that their public archives are not the source of
spam via harvesting.

So, is there a script somewhere to change user at domain.tld into something
like user at dom... (which I think is what YahooGroups does) or even to user
at domain dot tld ?

It's not for me, it's for my friend - honost!

Thanks

-- 
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From shanson at cruiskeen.com  Tue Dec  3 21:28:04 2002
From: shanson at cruiskeen.com (Steve Hanson)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:28:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailmanctl won't start on new install
Message-ID: <3DED13D4.6050100@cruiskeen.com>

Hi -
I've been struggling with getting Mailman 2.1b5 running on a new 
installation.  So far everything looks pretty good - I've built 
an RPM of it (since we do all our installs from RPM's on 
production servers) and things look okay, but I cannot get the 
qrunner to start.  I've set up the /etc/init.d/mailman script, 
but starting it results consistently in the output attached. 
I'm a complete novice at python and don't understand how to fix this

Redhat 7.2
Python 2.2.2
Mailman 2.1b5


Can anyone hand out a clue to me?




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From rop at gonggri.jp  Mon Dec  2 17:09:49 2002
From: rop at gonggri.jp (Rop Gonggrijp)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:09:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NAH6 Secure List patch
Message-ID: <003801c29a1d$3d50a6a0$c800000a@rop>

Hi all,


We've written "NAH6 Secure List", a patch for Mailman 2.1b5 that adds
GPG functionality. It is built around a key-scheme that allows an admin
to create an encrypted list for which even the server operator doesn't
have access to the messages. 

Only the public key for the list is given to the server, so it can
perform 'emergency encryption' in case someone forgets, and all users
get the public and private key for 
the list. 


We think we've done a decent job of describing the new functionality
from server-operator, list-admin and list-member points of view. There's
also a technical 
document for those familiar with the Mailman code. Please have a look
at: 

http://www.nah6.com/products/secure-list/ 

and follow the links from there.


We feel more people need this, and we'd really like it to be part of the
Mailman distribution at some point... 


Kind Regards, 

Rop Gonggrijp 
Joshua Eichen 


Please forgive mangling the Mailman logo on the site: if y'all don't
like it or think it's over the top we'll use something else.... 



From saurabh at asianminds.com  Tue Dec  3 20:31:34 2002
From: saurabh at asianminds.com (Saurabh Shah)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:01:34 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
Message-ID: <000501c29b02$9bb4ea40$990d41db@aadarsh>

Dear mailman team,

First of all I would like to show my appreciation for you making such a
good software. Mailman is really impressive and powerful.

But I do not know if the following feature is available in mailman:

If we want to provide unsubscribe option to mailing list members through
replying of the mail and they just type unsubscribe in the subject --
how is this possible in mailman?

Also is there any link which we can provide to directly unsubscribe?


Please do let me know because without easy unsubscribe links
mailing-lists would not be 100% complete.

Thanks and regards,
saurabh





From jsingh at fdu.edu  Tue Dec  3 21:57:54 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:57:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Super User List
Message-ID: <014d01c29b0e$a6707330$410bee84@FDUJACK>

Hey Everybody
Is it possible to have a group of super users to have the ability to
send an email to any close member-only post list? Even though these five
 people are able to send email, they shouldn't receive the emails send
out to the list. I am open to all ideas and suggestions, I am also going
through the archives at the same time.
Thanks
Jack
 
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From sean at eon.demon.co.uk  Tue Dec  3 22:00:41 2002
From: sean at eon.demon.co.uk (Sean Keane)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:00:41 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
In-Reply-To: <000501c29b02$9bb4ea40$990d41db@aadarsh>
References: <000501c29b02$9bb4ea40$990d41db@aadarsh>
Message-ID: <200212032100.41750.sean@eon.demon.co.uk>

On Tuesday 03 Dec 2002 19:31, Saurabh Shah poked randomly at a keyboard and 
came up with:

> If we want to provide unsubscribe option to mailing list members through
> replying of the mail and they just type unsubscribe in the subject --
> how is this possible in mailman?
>
> Also is there any link which we can provide to directly unsubscribe?
>
Far as I'm aware, dont reply to the list but ...
a message to -request will do it...

for instance, if the list is at listname at host.tld
then it's listname-request at host.tld to subscribe/unsubscribe/etc...

(at least it is on my lists, and I think it was a default setting)

-- 
Sean Keane




From jdecarlo at mitre.org  Tue Dec  3 22:10:08 2002
From: jdecarlo at mitre.org (John DeCarlo)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 16:10:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in the absence of an accessible web server
Message-ID: <3DED1DB0.9050802@mitre.org>

Hello,

I have certain circumstances where the hosting machine either has no web
server for security reasons or it has a firewall on it or near it that
blocks some or all of the web access.

Email gets through just fine in either of these circumstances.

I have already seen posts on how to customize the headers and footers to
remove advice on using the web, and have some ideas on what to put in for
the users as far as such items as unsubscribing via email.  Have to test
it, first.

Before I get too far along this path, I thought I would ask the list if
anyone has tried modifying all the various list related items and has
advice about the best approach.

Thanks.

-- 

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own




From raquel at thericehouse.net  Tue Dec  3 22:34:07 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:34:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
In-Reply-To: <000501c29b02$9bb4ea40$990d41db@aadarsh>
References: <000501c29b02$9bb4ea40$990d41db@aadarsh>
Message-ID: <20021203133407.2dea63d0.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:01:34 +0530
"Saurabh Shah" <saurabh at asianminds.com> wrote:

> Dear mailman team,
> 
> First of all I would like to show my appreciation for you making
> such a good software. Mailman is really impressive and powerful.
> 
> But I do not know if the following feature is available in
> mailman:
> 
> If we want to provide unsubscribe option to mailing list members
> through replying of the mail and they just type unsubscribe in the
> subject -- how is this possible in mailman?
> 
> Also is there any link which we can provide to directly
> unsubscribe?
> 
> 
> Please do let me know because without easy unsubscribe links
> mailing-lists would not be 100% complete.
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> saurabh

Open up the headers of this message from the list.  An unsubscribe
link is given.

--
Raquel
============================================================
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there.
  --Will Rogers



From lisasoto2 at msn.com  Wed Dec  4 01:52:57 2002
From: lisasoto2 at msn.com (Lisa Soto)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:52:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am in desperate need of help.
Message-ID: <OE151QOk3J8eClXYVSB00008e25@hotmail.com>

Good evening,

I need some help and I hope someone can be of assistance.  It will be GREATLY APPRECIATED.  I have a problem, I am new to the e business, but I am determined to learn.  I have started a new website and will be creating a newsletter thru mailman.  I had a friend create my list, however, how do I send out the newsletter to my subscribers.  Somehow, I cant seem to ad these names to the address book.

Please do not laugh at me.. :-)  I have tried everything people have suggested, like accessing my emails through Outlook express and managing the newsletter through there.  Only problem is I can receive my emails from my domain, however I cannot send.  So, I am back to the beginning.

Can someone please help?
Tks
Lisa


Lisa Soto
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& Free Computer Training to Build Your Skills
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From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Wed Dec  4 14:44:11 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am in desperate need of help.
In-Reply-To: <OE151QOk3J8eClXYVSB00008e25@hotmail.com>;
	from lisasoto2@msn.com on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 07:52:57PM -0500
References: <OE151QOk3J8eClXYVSB00008e25@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20021204084410.A13130@dogpound.vnet.net>

We won't make fun of you, but we do want you to read the docs.

Goto
http://<hostname>/mailman/admin/<listname>/members

There you can add and remove members.  You will have to be a listadmin for you to login to this.

* Lisa Soto (lisasoto2 at msn.com) wrote:
> Good evening,
> 
> I need some help and I hope someone can be of assistance.  It will be GREATLY APPRECIATED.  I have a problem, I am new to the e business, but I am determined to learn.  I have started a new website and will be creating a newsletter thru mailman.  I had a friend create my list, however, how do I send out the newsletter to my subscribers.  Somehow, I cant seem to ad these names to the address book.
> 
> Please do not laugh at me.. :-)  I have tried everything people have suggested, like accessing my emails through Outlook express and managing the newsletter through there.  Only problem is I can receive my emails from my domain, however I cannot send.  So, I am back to the beginning.
> 
> Can someone please help?
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From JFLEOST at aston.fr  Wed Dec  4 15:52:38 2002
From: JFLEOST at aston.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?LEOST_Jean-Fran=E7ois?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:52:38 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman French Help
Message-ID: <059755601026D6119A3000065B6808CFDCAEB7@mail.aston.fr>

Hi 
 
I'm looking for some help about develop mailman python source code in
French.
 
Someone speak French ?
Someone know someone who speak French ?
 
 
 
Jean-Fran?ois LEOST - 
T?l.  : +33 1 34 65 79 54
Fax   : +33 1 34 65 79 40
Email : jfleost <mailto:jfleost at aston.fr> @aston.fr

ASTON, Architecte de votre syst?me d'informations
PARIS LYON TOULOUSE
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From stephane.mitchell at hp.com  Wed Dec  4 16:39:03 2002
From: stephane.mitchell at hp.com (MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2))
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:39:03 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
Message-ID: <869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF47@gauguin.france.hp.com>

Hello,

I've upgraded Mailman 2.0.3 to 2.0.13... and it's always the same thing :o)
Any idea someone, please ?

S. MITCHELL

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Portzer [mailto:jeremyp at pobox.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:27 PM
To: MITCHELL,STEPHANE " "(HP-France,ex2)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3


Hello,

Is there any reason you cannot upgrade to the latest version, 2.0.13? 
This might fix this particular problem.

--Jeremy

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:25, MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2) wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am novice with Mailman, but I have to admistrate it :o)
> 
> I get this message when I try to open my Web interface for administration
:
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
> the webmaster can find this
> information in the Mailman error logs. 
> 
> In logs files, I found : ARCHIVES CORRUPT ... I have renamed my
<list>.mbox
> to <list>.mbox.sav, created a new <list>.mbox 
> and run ./arch
> I have always the save message...
> I tried to find anything in the logs files, but I found nothing explicite
! 
> 
> My OS is HP UX 10.20
> 
> Thank's for any help !
> 
> Stephane Mitchell
> 
> PS. Sorry for my english, I'm French :o)
> 
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Dec  4 17:25:05 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 16:25:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021204162448.00aa9aa0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

You are going to get a better response if you quote exactly from the 
Mailman $prefix/logs/error logfile the information that was logged into it 
when the  problem occurred.

You should find that there is a Python traceback immediately prior to the 
line that reads "CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST <listname>". This may contain 
useful diagnostic information that will help people help you.

The problem is not necessarily with the list's .mbox file but more likely 
to be with the $prefix/archives/private/<listname>/pipermail.pck used to 
support the HTML archiving done by the builtin Pipermail archiver.

Repost with more information from the MM error log.

You could try rebuilding the problem list's HTML archives from its mbox 
archive using $prefix/bin/arch

This might reconstruct the HTML archive from the list's mbox but you should 
back up the list's archives before you try this.

Note that the mbox is used to create the HTML archive NOT the other way around!

At 15:39 04/12/2002, MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2) wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I've upgraded Mailman 2.0.3 to 2.0.13... and it's always the same thing :o)
>Any idea someone, please ?
>
>S. MITCHELL
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeremy Portzer [mailto:jeremyp at pobox.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:27 PM
>To: MITCHELL,STEPHANE " "(HP-France,ex2)
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Is there any reason you cannot upgrade to the latest version, 2.0.13?
>This might fix this particular problem.
>
>--Jeremy
>
>On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:25, MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2) wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am novice with Mailman, but I have to admistrate it :o)
> >
> > I get this message when I try to open my Web interface for administration
>:
> >
> > Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
> >
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> >
> > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> > traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
> > the webmaster can find this
> > information in the Mailman error logs.
> >
> > In logs files, I found : ARCHIVES CORRUPT ... I have renamed my
><list>.mbox
> > to <list>.mbox.sav, created a new <list>.mbox
> > and run ./arch
> > I have always the save message...
> > I tried to find anything in the logs files, but I found nothing explicite
>!
> >
> > My OS is HP UX 10.20
> >
> > Thank's for any help !
> >
> > Stephane Mitchell
> >
> > PS. Sorry for my english, I'm French :o)
> >
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From sensley at afo.net  Wed Dec  4 19:46:16 2002
From: sensley at afo.net (Steve Ensley)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:46:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting Mail Statistics Data from Mailman
Message-ID: <BBEBIAMKDHLAMJJCEDNHGEDOCEAA.sensley@afo.net>

I may be thick as a brick, but how does a list admin person monitor the
results of a list mailing?  Is there a third party piece that does this or
is it not even possible in Mailman.  I have reviewed everything I can find,
but can't find anything on statistical reporting.  Thanks Folks!

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From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Wed Dec  4 20:13:38 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:13:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  List admin passwords not working in Mailman
	2.0.13
Message-ID: <200212041916.gB4JGNt4029497@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

I have recently upgraded from a working Mailman 2.0.8 to version 2.0.13.    
While Mailman 2.0.8 worked great, v2.0.13 is not totally working for me.

Since the upgrade, I am having a problem with LIST ADMIN PASSWORD 
AUTHENTICATION via the web.

As a user subscribed to a list, I am able to (via the web interface) 
successfully log in with the user list password to the user list options page.

However, as the LIST ADMIN, any time I now log into the LIST ADMIN screen with 
the list admin password , I get authentication failed.

However, I CAN log into any list admin screen with the *site-wide* master 
mailman admin password.  I just cannot log into any list admin screens with 
the list-admin.

Once I get into a *list admin* screen with the *site-wide password*, if I 
change that specific list's LIST ADMIN password, and they try to login as the 
LIST ADMIN, I still get an Authentication failed error.

So, is this a bug of some sort in v 2.0.13?  I had no problems with 2.0.8.

Just a note too that I recently upgraded our Apache from 1.3.14 to 1.3.17.
Python is at 2.1   We tried Pyton 2.2.2, but we get dynlink errors (ELF) with 
2.2.2, so we dropped back to 2.1.

Again, and this is important, everything worked with mailman 2.0.8.  The 
upgrade to 2.0.13 has caused the problems with List Admin authentications via 
the web.  Site-wide mailman and user mailman password authentication works 
fine.

So, what could be happening?  Is there anyway for the site admin to see the 
list admin passwords to see what mailman thinks it has?

I considered downgrading back to Mailman 2.0.8, since that version had worked. 
 However, mailman will not let you downgrade.  When I try to re-install 2.0.8, 
it complains:

"Downgrade detected, from version 0x2000df0 to version 0x20008f0
This is probably not safe.  Exiting.".

So, I need to stay at 2.0.13.  How can I fix this "bug" with list admin 
passwords for this version?

Also, how does one change a list admin's password at the command line?  Or is 
it only possible via the web?

Thanks in advance!

Steve Rifkin 
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Dec  4 20:56:08 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
In-Reply-To: <003201c295b2$28079ca0$1f32fc9e@burroughshome>
Message-ID: <001601c29bcf$300c1930$410bee84@FDUJACK>

I have looked through sendmail for the 'DontBlameSendmail' issue but I
don't want to give up on security to fix this problem.
I checked my permissions and everything is just according to the mailman
documentation. How can I take care of this problem without having to
compromise security ?
Thanks
jack
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:13 PM
To: jsingh at fdu.edu; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
 
The setting is in your sendmail.cf file.  It's something like
"DontBlameSendmail". You can find details at:
  http://www.sendmail.org
 
Good Luck - Jon Carnes (from the road)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: jsingh <mailto:jsingh at fdu.edu>  
To: mailman-users at python.org 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:10 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
 
I keep getting this re occurring error can anyone tell me ,how to get
rid of this
 
Nov 26 17:04:02 dragon sendmail[31575]: gAQM42AN032413: forward
/home/mailman/.forward: World writable directory
Nov 26 17:05:02 dragon sendmail[9465]: gAQM52AN007811: forward
/home/mailman/.forward.dragon: World writable directory
 
thanks
 
Jaskaran Singh
University Systems & Security
Fairleigh Dickinson University
Teaneck, NJ 07666
 

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From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Wed Dec  4 21:37:02 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:37:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reporting Mail Statistics Data from Mailman
In-Reply-To: <BBEBIAMKDHLAMJJCEDNHGEDOCEAA.sensley@afo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0212041234420.20569-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Dec 4, 2002 at 12:46, Steve Ensley wrote:

>I may be thick as a brick, but how does a list admin person monitor the
>results of a list mailing?  Is there a third party piece that does this or
>is it not even possible in Mailman.  I have reviewed everything I can find,
>but can't find anything on statistical reporting.  Thanks Folks!

The list admin could be subscribed to the list. If you want stats (I'm
not sure if you're asking for stats, or a subscriber's-eye-view of the
mailing list), I'm sure you can find a package to plug into the other
end of the list admin's email address.

>Help protect your family and your marriage!  Subscribe to the best family

ObMisparse: Help protect your family and yourself from marriage!

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My other computer is a HAL 9000.



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Wed Dec  4 23:57:27 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:57:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages suddenly create lock file
Message-ID: <002b01c29be8$8440ea80$410bee84@FDUJACK>

Hey everyone
The messages are all of  a sudden creating lock files, they were working
just fine uptil today.
I checked permissions, they are fine, 
Sendmail is still listening on port 25
Aliases are created fine 
Even if I remove the locks and send a new message all it does is create
a new lock file
Any help is appreciated,  people at work have been already using the
mailman now for three weeks.
 
jack
 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec  5 00:46:27 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 04 Dec 2002 18:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Having trouble
In-Reply-To: <002a01c29be6$6fbc9b10$410bee84@FDUJACK>
References: <002a01c29be6$6fbc9b10$410bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <1039045591.5810.20.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

We can't help you without details.

What version of Mailman are you running?  
What are you using for your mail transport (MTA)?  
What is your OS?
Is this a new install or an existing install that was working?
Have you checked your logs to see what is going on:
  MTA logs (/var/log/maillog)
  Mailman logs (~mailman/logs/..)

As an absolute WAG with no info, take a look at the mail in your
~mailman/gfiles/.. directory.  If your install used to work, then you
may have a malformed message in the directory - or a message that is
over size for your MTA to handle.

If that is the case, you can quickly get things moving again by moving
those files over to a temporary directory.  If that unclogs things then
you can move some of the files till you figure out which one was causing
the problem (keeping in mind that it could be multiples).  In general
you might want to delete any of the messages that look like spam.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes 

===
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 17:42, jsingh wrote:
> 
> 
> Respected Sir,
> All of a sudden mailman is creating locks for almost all the messages, 
> I checked the permissions but nothing was wrong, can you lead me into
> the right direction.
> Thanks
> jack
> 




From asanchezm at e-compugraf.com  Thu Dec  5 01:06:13 2002
From: asanchezm at e-compugraf.com (Alejandro G. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E1nchez_Mart=EDnez?=)
Date: 04 Dec 2002 18:06:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtualhosting
Message-ID: <1039046774.29523.3.camel@truzka-m81.int-compugraf.com>

mailman-2.0.12

hi a have a opne domain www.red1.org and some list in this domain
ayuda at red1.org, suport at red1.org.

i have other domain www.red2.com and i need create the lsit for this new
domaind sales at red2.org but i cant plase help me and no find any
documente speak for this

thanks



From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Thu Dec  5 08:35:34 2002
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 08:35:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman French Help
References: <059755601026D6119A3000065B6808CFDCAEB7@mail.aston.fr>
Message-ID: <3DEF01C6.1020706@vgg.sci.uma.es>

LEOST Jean-Fran?ois wrote:
| Hi
|
| I'm looking for some help about develop mailman python source code in
| French.

Get Mailman 2.1b5. It supports French out of the box. There is also a
mailman-i18n list for internationalization issues.




From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk  Thu Dec  5 18:12:08 2002
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:12:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] src.gz on RH6.2 to RPM on RH7.3 upgrade whoes
Message-ID: <200212051712.08248.gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk>

Hi all,

Firstly, I'm new to the list, and if this is  a FAQ, simply point me in the 
right direction and I'll float away.

I'm upgrading my web server from RH6.2 with Apache and Mailman build from 
source to RH7.3 using the RPMS.  I've copied the relevent sections of 
/etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow, /home and /var/spool/mail without 
problems.

I've amended /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf to match the settings from the 
original box.  The various DocumentRoot's for my virtual hosts are inside 
/home

Similarly with /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py and copied 
/home/mailman/archive and /home/mailman/lists to /var/mailman/.

Apache starts without problems, and my various virtualhosts work fine - using 
static files, PHP and perl based CGI's.

The problem I have is that when I try to access my mailmain installation, I 
get HTTP error 500 Internal error and in the error log I get:

[Tue Dec  3 16:44:46 2002] [error] [client 10.1.1.89] Premature end of script 
headers: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo

I've run check_db on each of my lists without problems reported
I've run check_perms without problems reported
One thing I did find was that when I ran dumpdb on one of my lists' config 
files, it's got the old /home/mailman path listed for the 'archive_directory' 
entry.

Anyone got any ideas how I can fix this, or at least collect more info as to 
why it's failing.

ta

-- 
Gary Stainburn
 
This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000     



From cwieland at uci.edu  Thu Dec  5 19:04:42 2002
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:04:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing moderated messsages
Message-ID: <07750B82-087C-11D7-9661-000393012174@uci.edu>

Hello all

I may be missing something but I am unable to modify the message text 
for a moderated list on the admindb page.

What am I missing?

Con Wieland
UC Irvine



From dev at umpa-us.com  Thu Dec  5 22:06:06 2002
From: dev at umpa-us.com (Dev)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim 3 with Pgsql
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021205160442.0209deb8@pop3.umpa-us.com>

Hello all,

I currently running Exim 3 with PostgreSQL.

I have setup a list and when I mail to it is only delivering to the alias 
listed with mailman?

How do I get this to deliver to the list??



From joel_m at joelglickman.com  Thu Dec  5 22:51:54 2002
From: joel_m at joelglickman.com (Joel Glickman)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:51:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper executing, but doing NOTHING
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205165151.02947500@home.joelglickman.com>

- Running RH7.2, sendmail, mailman 2.0.12

- mailman user & group exist -- /home/mailman exists with correct permissions

- ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=apache, (When 
configuration script runs, it properly converts mail to 12 and apache to 
48, which reflect what's in my /etc/group file)

- make install

- ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper

- /home/mailman/bin/check_perms returns "No problems found"

- Added "tmh" mailling list, added some list members, including 
joel_m at joelglickman.com -- checkbox options are "subscr and plain"

- List members DID receive a welcome message from tmh-admin, which means 
that the wrapper is working properly from the web side

- Now, a list member (joel_m) sends a message to tmh at tmh.joelglickman.com 
-- it gets redirected to wrapper .. and NOTHING -- wrapper isn't then 
sending the message along to list members.  And I get no error messages 
whatsoever?

Here's what I get in my maillog:

Dec  5 09:24:49 tmh sendmail[10805]: gB5EOnB10805: 
from=<joel_m at joelglickman.com>, size=1107, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<5.2.0.9.0.20021205092912.029557f0 at 192.168.1.15>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA, relay=homelan.joelglickman.com [192.168.1.15]
Dec  5 09:24:51 tmh sendmail[10806]: gB5EOnB10805: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper 
post tmh", ctladdr=<tmh at tmh.joelglickman.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:02, 
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30553, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

--- and that's it in maillog -- It doesn't then start resending the message 
to those on the mailing list?

An email to tmh-owner yields similar disappointing results

Dec  5 09:32:28 tmh sendmail[10848]: gB5EWSB10848: 
from=<joel_m at joelglickman.com>, size=1121, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<5.2.0.9.0.20021205093641.029543b0 at 192.168.1.15>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA, relay=homelan.joelglickman.com [192.168.1.15]
Dec  5 09:32:29 tmh sendmail[10849]: gB5EWSB10848: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper 
mailowner tmh", ctladdr=tmh-admin (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, 
mailer=prog, pri=30554, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

--- and no message is sent to the owner .. and no error?

For reference --- /etc/aliases (and yes I ran ./newaliases)
## tmh mailing list
## created: 17-Sep-2002 root
# Had to modify to use /etc/smrsh secure shell directory
tmh:                     "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post tmh"
tmh-admin:               "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner tmh"
tmh-request:             "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd tmh"
tmh-owner:               tmh-admin


Also, executing /etc/smrsh/wrapper from the shell as root yields:

[root at tmh mailman-2.0.12]# /etc/smrsh/wrapper post tmh
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

... which seems quite normal to me.  I did recompile with-mail-gid=0 so 
that i could execute it as root from the prompt .. When I did, it looked 
for data from stdin --- so I typed a hello world message, hit control-d and 
just got my prompt back .. It didn't do anything, as evidenced by the maillog.


Anyone have any advice?  I've RTFM'd and think I've done everything right?



From joel_m at joelglickman.com  Fri Dec  6 00:33:05 2002
From: joel_m at joelglickman.com (Joel Glickman)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:33:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper executing, but doing NOTHING -
  SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <20021205170606.A6309@dogpound.vnet.net>
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205165151.02947500@home.joelglickman.com>
 <5.2.0.9.0.20021205165151.02947500@home.joelglickman.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205182805.02a74770@192.168.1.15>

Well, the problem is solved.  I said that I RTFM'd and did everything 
correctly.  Well ... I did, in terms of configuring and installing the 
mailman binaries .. my problem is that I didn't read the whole manual .. I 
missed this line -- - IMPERATIVE!  IMPORTANT!  DO THIS!  YOU'LL BE SORRY IF 
YOU DON'T!, which refers to setting up the crontab.  I appreciate the help.

Thanks to "MCV Webmaster" <webmaster at mcvfifesanddrums.org> and Matthew 
Davis <bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net> for the heads up.

MCV:
At 05:06 PM 12/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
>Is the crontab installed?
>
>* Joel Glickman (joel_m at joelglickman.com) wrote:
> > - Running RH7.2, sendmail, mailman 2.0.12
> >

Matthew:
|Is the crontab installed?



From dennis at fishroom.net  Fri Dec  6 05:46:15 2002
From: dennis at fishroom.net (Dennis Heltzel)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:46:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing list name from the CC
Message-ID: <37629.68.81.72.184.1039149975.squirrel@webmail.heltzel.org>

I just upgraded to 2.1 and made the changes needed personalize the
outgoing mail. I'm now getting the recipient name in the to field, but the
listname is still showing in the CC field. Is there a way to suppress this
?

BTW, I really like 2.1, I think all the current 2.0 users will appreciate
the new features.

Dennis




From gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk  Fri Dec  6 10:50:45 2002
From: gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk (Gary Stainburn)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:50:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] src.gz on RH6.2 to RPM on RH7.3 upgrade whoes
In-Reply-To: <20021205175512.29094@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <200212051712.08248.gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk>
	<20021205175512.29094@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <200212060916.35778.gary.stainburn@ringways.co.uk>

On Thursday 05 Dec 2002 5:55 pm, David Gordon wrote:
> Gary Stainburn gary.stainburn at ringways.co.uk wrote on Thu 5 Dec 2002 at
> 17:12 +0000
>
> >[Tue Dec  3 16:44:46 2002] [error] [client 10.1.1.89] Premature end of
>
> script
>
> >headers: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> >
> >I've run check_db on each of my lists without problems reported
> >I've run check_perms without problems reported
>
> People here who know better than me will tell you "it's a permissions
> thing".
>
> I had similar problems, check_perms not fixing them. My host told me I
> had to have the cgi-bin for Mailman set to 0755. Then it all worked.
> Something to do with the way my (Virtual) server is set up.
>
> I don't understand why, but it worked for me!

Thanks for that Dave,

I've checked all the permissions look fine.
All the files are owned by either root:root or root:mailman. Is that right?

Also, I forgot to mention in my OP that when I first installed everything, 
listinfo (or something) ran but I got an error message telling me that the 
uid and gid that the cgi was running didn't match the uid/gid in the config 
file.

To fix this, I added a 'user' and a 'group' clause to my vhost section. Was 
that the right thing to do?

-- 
Gary Stainburn
 
This email does not contain private or confidential material as it
may be snooped on by interested government parties for unknown
and undisclosed purposes - Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act, 2000     




From sandyhansen at attbi.com  Fri Dec  6 21:03:29 2002
From: sandyhansen at attbi.com (Sandy Hansen)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:03:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Message-ID: <000001c29d62$8bc9f6e0$65b42a19@sandy>

Here's a query probably addressed in documentation, but there is so much

documentation to plow through, thought a quick query might be a more
efficient 
use of my limited time.

I have installed seven Mailman lists on a website I maintain. If I set
up an 
umbrella list, will it de-dup names, since I have a group which is 
automatically subscribed to ALL of these little-used lists? I'd love to
send a 
message to all lists, but don't want people to receive it seven times. 

Thanks,
--
Sandy Hansen
Website Administrator
AAUW of California





From Saqib.N.Ali at seagate.com  Sat Dec  7 03:23:33 2002
From: Saqib.N.Ali at seagate.com (Saqib.N.Ali at seagate.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:23:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up a announcement mailing list
Message-ID: <OF0F708B77.1EDC9D58-ON88256C88.000759E1@notes.seagate.com>

Hi All,
I have lists setup using  mailman, where users can colaborate. However now
I would like to setup a mailing list, where only the list owner should be
able to send emails (specifically announcements), and anyone should not be
able to post to list.

How can I configure a mailing list like that? I want only the owner to be
able to post the announcements.



Thanks
In Peace,
Saqib Ali
http://docbook.sc-icc.org



From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Sat Dec  7 06:44:34 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 05:44:34 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up a announcement mailing list
In-Reply-To: <OF0F708B77.1EDC9D58-ON88256C88.000759E1@notes.seagate.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021207054410.030074d8@server01>

This gets asked about once a week!  Please look in the FAQ (or in the 
archives!):


http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp


Cheers

Brian

At 02:23 07/12/2002, Saqib.N.Ali at seagate.com wrote:
>Hi All,
>I have lists setup using  mailman, where users can colaborate. However now
>I would like to setup a mailing list, where only the list owner should be
>able to send emails (specifically announcements), and anyone should not be
>able to post to list.
>
>How can I configure a mailing list like that? I want only the owner to be
>able to post the announcements.
>
>
>
>Thanks
>In Peace,
>Saqib Ali
>http://docbook.sc-icc.org
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>This message was sent to: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk
>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brianr%40bjsystems.co.uk

Brian J Read
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www.theonlineorganiser.com
www.thepersonalknowledgebase.com
Mitel SMEserver Contributions and Howtos: 
www.abandonmicrosoft.co.uk/abandon/links.html
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From tcrouch at du.edu  Sat Dec  7 09:34:54 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:34:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure personalization
Message-ID: <013501c29dcb$845f8690$6c01a8c0@Timslaptop>

I have read FAQ, INSTALL, README, Defaults.py, etc, and cannot figure
out how to "turn on" personalization.. Can someone please help?
 
Thanks
Tim Crouch
 
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From dennis at fishroom.net  Sat Dec  7 14:59:23 2002
From: dennis at fishroom.net (Dennis Heltzel)
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:59:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure personalization
In-Reply-To: <013501c29dcb$845f8690$6c01a8c0@Timslaptop>
References: <013501c29dcb$845f8690$6c01a8c0@Timslaptop>
Message-ID: <3DF1FEBB.1010309@fishroom.net>

I just did this myself. Add the following line to mm_cfg.py :

OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1

Dennis

Tim Crouch wrote:
> I have read FAQ, INSTALL, README, Defaults.py, etc, and cannot figure
> out how to "turn on" personalization.. Can someone please help?
>  
> Thanks
> Tim Crouch
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: dennis at fishroom.net
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dennis%40fishroom.net



From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Sat Dec  7 16:13:24 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:13:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to configure personalization
In-Reply-To: <013501c29dcb$845f8690$6c01a8c0@Timslaptop>;
	from tcrouch@du.edu on Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:34:54AM -0700
References: <013501c29dcb$845f8690$6c01a8c0@Timslaptop>
Message-ID: <20021207101324.A22551@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Tim Crouch (tcrouch at du.edu) wrote:
> I have read FAQ, INSTALL, README, Defaults.py, etc, and cannot figure
> out how to "turn on" personalization.. Can someone please help?

You also have to have v2.1b5.

----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Saturday, December 07, 2002 / 10:12AM      |
----------------------------------------------
When it comes to humility, I'm the very BEST there is!


From EdMitchell at thecooler.org  Sun Dec  8 02:42:56 2002
From: EdMitchell at thecooler.org (Ed Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:42:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Set-up
In-Reply-To: <20021207101324.A22551@dogpound.vnet.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c29e5b$251aef90$6801a8c0@Main>


Can Mailman be set-up remotely?






From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Sun Dec  8 06:12:37 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:12:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Set-up
In-Reply-To: <001d01c29e5b$251aef90$6801a8c0@Main>;
	from EdMitchell@thecooler.org on Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 05:42:56PM -0800
References: <20021207101324.A22551@dogpound.vnet.net>
	<001d01c29e5b$251aef90$6801a8c0@Main>
Message-ID: <20021208001237.A27391@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Ed Mitchell (EdMitchell at thecooler.org) wrote:
> 
> Can Mailman be set-up remotely?

Yes.  I don't think this question is in the FAQ, but check it anyway for other questions (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py) and the web site (http://www.list.org) and the docs that come with the tarball.  Download the latest version 2.0.13 and try it out.

The web site (http://www.list.org) will tell you what's needed for an installation of mailman.  Usually most shell accounts have python installed and will work.

----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Sunday, December 08, 2002 / 12:10AM        |
----------------------------------------------
A stitch in time would have confused Einstein.


From barry at python.org  Sun Dec  8 06:41:50 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 08 Dec 2002 00:41:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Fully personalized messages don't get delivered
References: <20021121203118.GW8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>
Message-ID: <m3u1hpukwx.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "AS" == Alexander Skwar <lists.ASkwar at email-server.info> writes:

    AS> I've just upgraded Mailman to 2.1b5 from 2.1b4 and enabled
    AS> full personalization.  As the message header, I've put:

    AS> Hallo %(user_name)s <%(user_address)s>!

    AS> With this header, mails don't get delivered.  When I remove
    AS> it, everything works fine.

    AS> Any idea about what's wrong?

Nope, but look in logs/error for clues.  You probably have fines in
qfiles/shunt too.
-BArry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec  8 06:58:53 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 08 Dec 2002 00:58:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: withlist changepw.py help
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0211302220340.18467-100000@centauri.odc.net>
Message-ID: <m3of7xuk4i.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "AS" == Ajay Sharma <ssharma at odc.net> writes:

    AS> I'm not a python programmer, but I can get around.  Anyway, I
    AS> started to play with the "/bin/withlist" program to get a
    AS> command-line method to change passwords.  My changepw.py
    AS> program looks like:

    | import string

    | def changepw(mlist, addr, newpasswd):
    |         addr = string.lower(addr)
    |         if mlist.passwords.has_key(addr):
    |                 mlist.passwords[string.lower(addr)] = newpasswd
    |                 mlist.Save()
    |         else:
    |                 print 'No address matched:', addr

    AS> [mailman at server bin]$ ./withlist -l -r changepw list addr
    AS> newpass Loading list: list (locked) Importing changepw ...
    AS> Running changepw.changepw() ...  Unlocking (but not saving)
    AS> list: list Finalizing

    AS> So why doesn't it save the changes to the list after the
    AS> password is changed??

If this is Mailman 2.1, I'd write changepw.py like so (untested):

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
from Mailman import Errors

def changepw(mlist, addr, newpasswd):
    try:
        mlist.setMemberPassword(addr, newpasswd)
    except Errors.NotAMember:
        print 'Not a member address:', addr
    except Errors.BadPasswordError:
        print 'Not a valid password'
    else:
        mlist.Save()
-------------------- snip snip --------------------

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec  8 07:02:31 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 08 Dec 2002 01:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl won't start on new install
References: <3DED13D4.6050100@cruiskeen.com>
Message-ID: <m3isy5ujyg.fsf@zope.com>


    SH> Hi - I've been struggling with getting Mailman 2.1b5 running
    SH> on a new installation.  So far everything looks pretty good -
    SH> I've built an RPM of it (since we do all our installs from
    SH> RPM's on production servers) and things look okay, but I
    SH> cannot get the qrunner to start.  I've set up the
    SH> /etc/init.d/mailman script, but starting it results
    SH> consistently in the output attached. I'm a complete novice at
    SH> python and don't understand how to fix this

Stuff like this usually indicates problems with your Python
installation.

-Barry




From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Sun Dec  8 11:50:32 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:50:32 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives
Message-ID: <20021208105032.10036@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I know I can import an archive to a new list, cos I read the FAQs...

>5.1. How do I import an archive into a new mailing list?
>If your archive is in mbox format copy it to
>
>   archives/private/<list>.mbox/<list>.mbox  (where <list> is your list name)
>
>then run
>
>    bin/arch <list> archives/private/<list>.mbox/<list>.mbox
>
>If it's not in mbox format then you need to figure out how to convert it
>from whatever form it's in to mbox

I am moving a list to Mailman. It would be nice to re-create the archive.
Do I have to create an mbox for each month, or do I just put all of the
messages in one mbox?

I have about 7500 messages going back a couple of years. But I think
there are more somewhere. Can I add those messages later? Or is importing
an archive a once only event.

I think I want the archive to be in monthly view, if that makes any
difference.

Thanks

-- 
David Gordon





From csouza at incharge.org  Fri Dec  6 21:59:41 2002
From: csouza at incharge.org (Souza, Chris)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:59:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on loads
Message-ID: <71DD7509198FAD41A3043B7569D6DDDB12D415@iciflexch1.abserv.org>

Hello,

How well does mailman handle loads? I need to have a listserv that handles about 100,000 users. And i need to email each one of them in a weekly
manner. Would mailman be able to handle this?

I appreciate any help.

Thanks,
Chris




From dbrown at cv.nrao.edu  Wed Dec  4 22:41:18 2002
From: dbrown at cv.nrao.edu (David L Brown)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:41:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
In-Reply-To: <001601c29bcf$300c1930$410bee84@FDUJACK>;
	from jsingh@fdu.edu on Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 02:56:08PM -0500
References: <003201c295b2$28079ca0$1f32fc9e@burroughshome>
	<001601c29bcf$300c1930$410bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <20021204164118.I5054@banach.cv.nrao.edu>

Do what I did for v2.0.8. After installing mailman do a

  chmod g-w ~mailman

AFAIK nothing writes to the top level mailman directory after the
installation. All writing is done to subdirectories. I hope this is
still true in 2.1.

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 02:56:08PM -0500, jsingh wrote:
> I have looked through sendmail for the 'DontBlameSendmail' issue but I
> don't want to give up on security to fix this problem.
> I checked my permissions and everything is just according to the mailman
> documentation. How can I take care of this problem without having to
> compromise security ?
> Thanks
> jack
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:13 PM
> To: jsingh at fdu.edu; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
>  
> The setting is in your sendmail.cf file.  It's something like
> "DontBlameSendmail". You can find details at:
>   http://www.sendmail.org
>  
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes (from the road)
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: jsingh <mailto:jsingh at fdu.edu>  
> To: mailman-users at python.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:10 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Group Writable
>  
> I keep getting this re occurring error can anyone tell me ,how to get
> rid of this
>  
> Nov 26 17:04:02 dragon sendmail[31575]: gAQM42AN032413: forward
> /home/mailman/.forward: World writable directory
> Nov 26 17:05:02 dragon sendmail[9465]: gAQM52AN007811: forward
> /home/mailman/.forward.dragon: World writable directory
>  
> thanks
>  
> Jaskaran Singh
> University Systems & Security
> Fairleigh Dickinson University
> Teaneck, NJ 07666
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
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> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From deliaj at us.ibm.com  Thu Dec  5 11:21:12 2002
From: deliaj at us.ibm.com (Delia Jackson)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New maillist for RTL-handoff
Message-ID: <OF9C1EF93B.72DDD837-ON05256C86.003892A0@us.ibm.com>

Hi - I'd like to set up a new mailman for the group involved in RTL 
Handoff - how is this done?

http://spacedog.fishkill.ibm.com/mailman/listinfo/

Delia Jackson
ASIC Methodology
IBM MicroElectronics
1000 River Street
Essex Junction, Vermont
05452  U.S.A.

Office : 802 769 9602
Cell :     802 598 0239
Fax:      802 769 7509
email :  deliaj at us.ibm.com
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From heiko.tobias at gmx.de  Thu Dec  5 11:46:36 2002
From: heiko.tobias at gmx.de (Heiko Tobias)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:46:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug and Wish in Mailman 2.1B
Message-ID: <NDBBJMCJCNLPJIBFHNCLKEICGIAA.heiko.tobias@gmx.de>

Hi!

Great software! ;)
One bug I have found: The footer (msg_footer) will not be attached to any
mail to the list
One wish: The List-Admin can customize the welcome-message, when a new
member joins. This is eg. for read-only lists - the welcome-message is wrong
;)

Thanks!
Heiko
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From jkrutka at valinet.com  Fri Dec  6 21:35:33 2002
From: jkrutka at valinet.com (Julianne)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:35:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help please?
Message-ID: <004901c29d67$06df8760$21f6abd0@valinet.com>

Dear sirs,
We use your mailman program to offer the benefit of a mailing list to the parents and the student body of our local high school.  Recently we noted that when we first began the mailing list there were headers and footers in our outgoing list messages, now those headers and footers are no longer part of our outgoing list messages.  We have looked at our list settings and we are set to have headers and footers both in the individual mailings and in the digest mailings and yet they don't show up.  If you have any ideas on how we can rectify this problem please let us know.  We would greatly appreciate it!
Thank you in advance,

Julianne Krutka
Julianne at eclectechs.com

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From joel_m at joelglickman.com  Thu Dec  5 15:42:58 2002
From: joel_m at joelglickman.com (Joel Glickman)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:42:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper executing, but doing NOTHING
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205090837.0240a8f0@192.168.1.15>

- Running RH7.2, sendmail, mailman 2.0.12

- mailman user & group exist -- /home/mailman exists with correct permissions

- ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=apache, (When 
configuration script runs, it properly converts mail to 12 and apache to 
48, which reflect what's in my /etc/group file)

- make install

- ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper

- /home/mailman/bin/check_perms returns "No problems found"

- Added "tmh" mailling list, added some list members, including 
joel_m at joelglickman.com -- checkbox options are "subscr and plain"

- List members DID receive a welcome message from tmh-admin, which means 
that the wrapper is working properly from the web side

- Now, a list member (joel_m) sends a message to tmh at tmh.joelglickman.com 
-- it gets redirected to wrapper .. and NOTHING -- wrapper isn't then 
sending the message along to list members.  And I get no error messages 
whatsoever?

Here's what I get in my maillog:

Dec  5 09:24:49 tmh sendmail[10805]: gB5EOnB10805: 
from=<joel_m at joelglickman.com>, size=1107, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<5.2.0.9.0.20021205092912.029557f0 at 192.168.1.15>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA, relay=homelan.joelglickman.com [192.168.1.15]
Dec  5 09:24:51 tmh sendmail[10806]: gB5EOnB10805: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper 
post tmh", ctladdr=<tmh at tmh.joelglickman.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:02, 
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30553, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

--- and that's it in maillog -- It doesn't then start resending the message 
to those on the mailing list?

An email to tmh-owner yields similar disappointing results

Dec  5 09:32:28 tmh sendmail[10848]: gB5EWSB10848: 
from=<joel_m at joelglickman.com>, size=1121, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<5.2.0.9.0.20021205093641.029543b0 at 192.168.1.15>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA, relay=homelan.joelglickman.com [192.168.1.15]
Dec  5 09:32:29 tmh sendmail[10849]: gB5EWSB10848: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper 
mailowner tmh", ctladdr=tmh-admin (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, 
mailer=prog, pri=30554, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

--- and no message is sent to the owner .. and no error?

For reference --- /etc/aliases (and yes I ran ./newaliases)
## tmh mailing list
## created: 17-Sep-2002 root
# Had to modify to use /etc/smrsh secure shell directory
tmh:                     "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper post tmh"
tmh-admin:               "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailowner tmh"
tmh-request:             "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd tmh"
tmh-owner:               tmh-admin


Also, executing /etc/smrsh/wrapper from the shell as root yields:

[root at tmh mailman-2.0.12]# /etc/smrsh/wrapper post tmh
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

... which seems quite normal to me.  I did recompile with-mail-gid=0 so 
that i could execute it as root from the prompt .. When I did, it looked 
for data from stdin --- so I typed a hello world message, hit control-d and 
just got my prompt back .. It didn't do anything, as evidenced by the maillog.


Anyone have any advice?  I've RTFM'd and think I've done everything right?




From kimi at kimbwei.com  Sun Dec  8 09:24:44 2002
From: kimi at kimbwei.com (Kim Brooks Wei)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Set to no-post
Message-ID: <a05200f04ba18b2269967@[64.157.65.161]>

How do I set a mailman list to be no-postable?

Kim
-- 
Kim Brooks Wei
www.kimbwei.com
P O Box 626
Fair Lawn
NJ  07410
V 201.475.1854
mailto:kimi at kimbwei.com


From literakl at centrum.cz  Sat Dec  7 17:22:14 2002
From: literakl at centrum.cz (Leos Literak)
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:22:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] all messages are stored in qfiles
Message-ID: <3DF22036.2080501@centrum.cz>

mailman-2.0.13,debian,from source,postfix

Hi,

all messages gets stored into qfiles. There
in no explanation in logs, why this happens.

mail.logs seems fine:

Dec  7 17:14:00 ABicko postfix/local[31394]: 117CD358022: 
to=<sro at abclinuxu.cz>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post sro")

but mailman/logs doesn't contain anything, ~/locks
is empty, and two files are created in ~/qfiles directory.
Crontab was installed too. Checkperm is happy too.

Can someone help me? Thanks

	Leos

-- 
Leos Literak
http://AbcLinuxu.cz - tady je tucnakum hej!



From v.augustin at multiartstudio.de  Fri Dec  6 00:49:49 2002
From: v.augustin at multiartstudio.de (V.Augustin)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:49:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim 3 with Pgsql
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021205160442.0209deb8@pop3.umpa-us.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021205160442.0209deb8@pop3.umpa-us.com>
Message-ID: <E18K5yq-0001Uk-00@tomcat.multiartstudio.de>


did you setup exim to manage mailman aliases?

volker

On Thursday 05 December 2002 22:06, Dev wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I currently running Exim 3 with PostgreSQL.
>
> I have setup a list and when I mail to it is only delivering to the alias
> listed with mailman?
>
> How do I get this to deliver to the list??
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: volker.augustin at multiartstudio.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/volker.augustin%40mult
>iartstudio.com



From list-mailman at lanbytes.com  Sun Dec  8 18:02:45 2002
From: list-mailman at lanbytes.com (Mark Geisinger)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:02:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autorespond_requests in 2.1x
Message-ID: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>

Greetings!

Is autorespond_requests broken in 2.1x, or do I perhaps misunderstand its
purpose? I'm using 2.1b4 and would like to avoid having a request autoresponse
sent to a subscribe request, or for any other request.

What's happening is that anything send to the -subscribe, or -request, aliases
is send an autoresponse with the original message attached, in addition to the
normal response. I did a db dump and verified that autorespond_requests = 0.

I don't recall this being the case in v2.0.13. Am I missing something in 2.1x?

-- 
Best regards,

Mark
list-mailman at lanbytes.com



From darren at A470.com  Sun Dec  8 19:56:04 2002
From: darren at A470.com (Darren Wyn Rees)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:56:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman usage for Usenet gatewaying
Message-ID: <20021208185604.GA58637@bsdfree.A470.com>

Looking for examples of Mailman usage for Usenet gatewaying
particularly for moderated newsgroups.  I can see the 
obvious example of comp.lang.python, but maybe there are
others ?

I am evaluating Mailman... currently mirroring articles on
a local test newsgroup.  Thus far, it proves impressive.

I have used Russ Allbery's robust News::Gateway toolkit,
http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/gateway/ along with ezmlm
and Majordomo.

Mailman seems to tie a lot of things together, eg. integrated
web interface, archiving.  It's also user-friendly.  On the
downside, there does not seem to be much scope for header
manipulation at present, eg. headers like Path/XRef/NNTP-
are mailed.

-- 
Darren


From darren at A470.com  Sun Dec  8 21:45:06 2002
From: darren at A470.com (Darren Wyn Rees)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:45:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN_OWNER variable
Message-ID: <20021208204506.GA67652@bsdfree.A470.com>

Having difficulty setting this variable so that the main list
page shows mailman-owner at host.

I've set the following in Defaults.py

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'my.host.here'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'my.host.here'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'

# For backwards compatibility.  Note: DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN must end in a slash!
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
DEFAULT_URL       = DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % DEFAULT_URL_HOST

HOME_PAGE         = 'index.html'
MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

But the page persists displaying "Send questions or comments to mailman at my.host.here"

-- 
Darren


From EdMitchell at thecooler.org  Sun Dec  8 23:05:32 2002
From: EdMitchell at thecooler.org (Ed Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:05:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman install help.
Message-ID: <000001c29f05$edaa2980$6801a8c0@Main>

Please forgive the newbie questions.

 

 

I am trying to install the latest version of mailman on my server site.
My site is running Red hat Linux and remotely I am running XP-Pro.  Can
anyone give me some tips to install Mailman,  It looks like I need to be
on the local server to do so.  

 

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Thanks

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 01:14:33 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Dec 2002 19:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman install help.
In-Reply-To: <000001c29f05$edaa2980$6801a8c0@Main>
References: <000001c29f05$edaa2980$6801a8c0@Main>
Message-ID: <1039392877.1613.6.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 17:05, Ed Mitchell wrote:
> 
> I am trying to install the latest version of mailman on my server site.
> My site is running Red hat Linux and remotely I am running XP-Pro.  Can
> anyone give me some tips to install Mailman,  It looks like I need to be
> on the local server to do so.  
> 
Yes.  You also need root access (or a sympathetic admin to do some tasks
for you)

The best way to access a remote server is via Secure Shell.  If your
server is running the SSHD then you need a SSH client.  One of the best
for the windows world is cygwin.  You can easily find it (using google)
and download it to your local XP box.

You can either set it up via RPM (but then follow the release notes for
the RPM), or via source.  To install via source, download the tarball to
your server and expand it, then read the INSTALL file and then the
INSTALL.RedHat file (or something like that).  



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 01:19:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 08 Dec 2002 19:19:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives
In-Reply-To: <20021208105032.10036@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021208105032.10036@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1039393156.1609.11.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sun, 2002-12-08 at 05:50, David Gordon wrote:
> I know I can import an archive to a new list, cos I read the FAQs...
> 

WaHoo!  The power of the internet is yours to command!

> 
> I am moving a list to Mailman. It would be nice to re-create the archive.
> Do I have to create an mbox for each month, or do I just put all of the
> messages in one mbox?

Just throw them all in one big MBox file.

> 
> I have about 7500 messages going back a couple of years. But I think
> there are more somewhere. Can I add those messages later? Or is importing
> an archive a once only event.

You can always modify the MBox file and then re-index later.  It just
eats up time and machine cycles.

> 
> I think I want the archive to be in monthly view, if that makes any
> difference.
> 

Set up the archives for the list this using the Web-Admin interface and
specify Monthly view.  There is a special section of the Web-Admin
devoted to setting up the Archives.  Once this is setup run the arch
program!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Dec  9 04:41:44 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:41:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper executing, but doing NOTHING
References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021205090837.0240a8f0@192.168.1.15>
Message-ID: <3DF410F8.AE490401@pcraft.com>

Joel Glickman wrote:

> Anyone have any advice?  I've RTFM'd and think I've done everything right?

    You didn't RTFM the ENTIRE installation file.  Nowhere do you mention anything
of the crontab that you're supposed to install for Mailman to work.

--
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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Dec  9 07:30:29 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:30:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on loads 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Souza, Chris" <csouza@incharge.org> 
	<71DD7509198FAD41A3043B7569D6DDDB12D415@iciflexch1.abserv.org> 
References: <71DD7509198FAD41A3043B7569D6DDDB12D415@iciflexch1.abserv.org> 
Message-ID: <4037.1039415429@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:59:41 -0500 
Chris Souza <Souza> wrote:

> Hello, How well does mailman handle loads? I need to have a listserv
> that = handles about 100,000 users. And i need to email each one of
> them in a = weekly manner. Would mailman be able to handle this?

Please read the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Dec  9 07:31:35 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:31:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug and Wish in Mailman 2.1B 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Heiko Tobias" <heiko.tobias@gmx.de> 
	<NDBBJMCJCNLPJIBFHNCLKEICGIAA.heiko.tobias@gmx.de> 
References: <NDBBJMCJCNLPJIBFHNCLKEICGIAA.heiko.tobias@gmx.de> 
Message-ID: <4096.1039415495@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:46:36 +0100 
Heiko Tobias <heiko.tobias at gmx.de> wrote:

> Great software! ;) One bug I have found: The footer (msg_footer) will
> not be attached to any mail to the list One wish: The List-Admin can
> customize the welcome-message, when a new member joins. This is
> eg. for read-only lists - the welcome-message is wrong ;)

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Dec  9 07:32:34 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 22:32:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Set to no-post 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kim Brooks Wei <kimi@kimbwei.com> 
	<a05200f04ba18b2269967@[64.157.65.161]> 
References: <a05200f04ba18b2269967@[64.157.65.161]> 
Message-ID: <4127.1039415554@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:24:44 -0500 
Kim Brooks Wei <kimi at kimbwei.com> wrote:

> How do I set a mailman list to be no-postable?  Kim

Please see the FAQ:

  http://www.vta.org/schedules/light_rail_schedules.html

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From edwin at ironstone.com.au  Mon Dec  9 08:05:14 2002
From: edwin at ironstone.com.au (Edwin Humphries)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:05:14 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration
Message-ID: <3DF4DB5A.7400.232DA3C@localhost>

G'day,

I'm trying to install mailman to manage a couple of mailing lists. We've got it installed, and run 
the tests (etc). Setting up a test list results in an email giving URls for the web configuration 
facility, which appears to work fine, and the subscribe page.  Subscribing to it results in an 
email which give the test at servername and test-request at servername links. Neither work, giving a 
"550 5.1.1 <email address>... User unknown" error.

Am I missing something here? Surely mailman doesn't requrie the test at servername and test-
request at servername to be configured manually on the server!

It's a RH7.2 server, running sendmail and apache. We're running mailman-2.0.13, the redhat rpm 
downloaded from rpmfind.net

Edwin Humphries,
Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd
edwin at ironstone.com.au
Phone: 02 4233 2299
Fax: 02 4233 2299
Mobile: 0419 233 051


From liam at routt.net  Mon Dec  9 08:06:58 2002
From: liam at routt.net (Liam Routt)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:06:58 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Archive link in moved lists?
Message-ID: <20021209070658.GG14995@routt.net>

I've moved some lists from one machine (zephyr) to another one (alita) and 
in the process I've upgraded to MM2.1b5. All is well with some of the 
lists, so far, but I have noticed that with some of the lists the "Go to 
list archives" link on the admin pages, and the list Archives link on the 
listinfo page, show the old zephyr link. That is a problem as that machine 
isn't alive right now...

Any idea why some of the lists have migrated fine and others not?

And, how can I fix up the links for the pages which are wrong?

Take care,

Liam
--
Liam Routt                                               liam at routt.net
Darcsyde Productions                     http://www.routt.net/Caligari/

        -- still waiting for the Absolute Destiny Apocalypse --


From barry at python.org  Mon Dec  9 08:14:01 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:14:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman usage for Usenet gatewaying
References: <20021208185604.GA58637@bsdfree.A470.com>
Message-ID: <15860.17081.130757.487973@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "DWR" == Darren Wyn Rees <darren at a470.com> writes:

    DWR> Looking for examples of Mailman usage for Usenet gatewaying
    DWR> particularly for moderated newsgroups.  I can see the 
    DWR> obvious example of comp.lang.python, but maybe there are
    DWR> others ?

Actually, it's comp.lang.python.announce; c.l.py isn't moderated.
Support for this is unofficial in MM2.0, but it is official in MM2.1.
Note though that I haven't converted c.l.py.a to MM2.1 yet.  I believe
gnu.org also runs some mailing lists gated to moderated news groups.

    DWR> Mailman seems to tie a lot of things together, eg. integrated
    DWR> web interface, archiving.  It's also user-friendly.  On the
    DWR> downside, there does not seem to be much scope for header
    DWR> manipulation at present, eg. headers like Path/XRef/NNTP- are
    DWR> mailed.

Would be easy to add stripping of any headers, but is there a
particular reason why they need to be stripped?

-Barry


From stephane.mitchell at hp.com  Mon Dec  9 10:01:52 2002
From: stephane.mitchell at hp.com (MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2))
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:01:52 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm always lost...
Message-ID: <869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF48@gauguin.france.hp.com>

Hello All,

I'have always the same message want I want to open the web Interface for
Mailman (2.0.3 and 
now udgrated to 2.0.13) (Message : Bug in mailman, etc...). The only trace I
found in logs is :
ARCHIVE CORRUPTS but with stamptime far aways... 
I'have also change the parameters in Defaults.py to disable archiving...
At lest, my real first problem (except to have the web interface working
again), is to have the
possiblility to approve the "waiting request" without the web interface...
and I realy don't know 
how to do that...
Any help is appreciate...
Thank's in advance...

S. MITCHELL

============================================================================

Hello

I've upgraded Mailman 2.0.3 to 2.0.13... and it's always the same thing :o)
Any idea someone, please ?

S. MITCHELL

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Portzer [mailto:jeremyp at pobox.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 7:27 PM
To: MITCHELL,STEPHANE " "(HP-France,ex2)
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3


Hello,

Is there any reason you cannot upgrade to the latest version, 2.0.13? 
This might fix this particular problem.

--Jeremy

On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 10:25, MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2) wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am novice with Mailman, but I have to admistrate it :o)
> 
> I get this message when I try to open my Web interface for administration
:
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
> the webmaster can find this
> information in the Mailman error logs. 
> 
> In logs files, I found : ARCHIVES CORRUPT ... I have renamed my
<list>.mbox
> to <list>.mbox.sav, created a new <list>.mbox 
> and run ./arch
> I have always the save message...
> I tried to find anything in the logs files, but I found nothing explicite
! 
> 
> My OS is HP UX 10.20
> 
> Thank's for any help !
> 
> Stephane Mitchell
> 
> PS. Sorry for my english, I'm French :o)
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jeremyp at pobox.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jeremyp%40pobox.com
> 


------------------------------------------------------
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This message was sent to: stephane.mitchell at hp.com
Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 14:14:17 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Dec 2002 08:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Members of a list
In-Reply-To: <JLEOKDOPEHOPBADBPCFDMEMACAAA.faruk@ait.ac.th>
References: <JLEOKDOPEHOPBADBPCFDMEMACAAA.faruk@ait.ac.th>
Message-ID: <1039439661.5372.6.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 02:32, Faruk Ahmed wrote:
 
> Where can I see the members of list ? I looked in /home/mailman/lists/.. but
> could not see any file to show members.
> 
> I want to keep backup of the lists including members email address and
> configuration of the lists. Does /home/mailman/lists/* cover everything?
> Thanks
> 
> Faruk
> 

Yes, backing up /home/mailman/lists/.. will save list configurations and
membership information.  The key file for any list is: config.db

If you want a text copy of each list and its configuration you can use:

/home/mailman/bin/dumpdb -o - /home/mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db 

Dumpdb dumps out the config.db database and can also be used to upload
edited text directly into a database.

For further information, see the FAQ and archives.

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From heitbrockd at schlick.de  Mon Dec  9 14:58:20 2002
From: heitbrockd at schlick.de (Denis Heitbrock)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:58:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache configuration - newbie
Message-ID: <00f301c29f8b$08cd7bb0$c65a18ac@ws90198>

hi,

i'm running rh 8.0 with mailman-2.0.13-3 with apache 2.0.40-8 but i don't
know how to configure the apache httpd.conf file.
i did the following configuration but everytime i visit the url i got access
forbidden.

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory "/var/mailman/cgi-bin">
        Options ExecCGI
        AllowOverride None
        Allow from from all
        Order allow,deny
</Directory>


thxxx for help


greetz
denis



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 17:12:00 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Dec 2002 11:12:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm always lost...
In-Reply-To: 
	<869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF48@gauguin.france.hp.com>
References: <869A24EE1E5ED511A39900D0B708C770040EFF48@gauguin.france.hp.com>
Message-ID: <1039450332.5458.8.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Are you using Apache as the web server?  If so, then what group does the
web server run as (GID)?  I'm not familiar with the default on HP UX.  

Also, did you install Mailman from Source?  If so, what parameters did
you use with the ./configure command?  You may simply need to re-install
with the proper GID specified for your Apache install.

If you have already set-up your GID properly then the next thing to look
at is the exact entries you added to your httpd.conf file for support of
Mailman.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 04:01, MITCHELL,STEPHANE (HP-France,ex2) wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I'have always the same message want I want to open the web Interface for
> Mailman (2.0.3 and 
> now udgrated to 2.0.13) (Message : Bug in mailman, etc...). The only trace I
> found in logs is :
> ARCHIVE CORRUPTS but with stamptime far aways... 
> I'have also change the parameters in Defaults.py to disable archiving...
> At lest, my real first problem (except to have the web interface working
> again), is to have the
> possiblility to approve the "waiting request" without the web interface...
> and I realy don't know 
> how to do that...
> Any help is appreciate...
> Thank's in advance...
> 
> S. MITCHELL
> 
> ============================================================================




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 17:27:09 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Dec 2002 11:27:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache configuration - newbie
In-Reply-To: <00f301c29f8b$08cd7bb0$c65a18ac@ws90198>
References: <00f301c29f8b$08cd7bb0$c65a18ac@ws90198>
Message-ID: <1039451247.5458.22.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 08:58, Denis Heitbrock wrote:
> hi,
> 
> i'm running rh 8.0 with mailman-2.0.13-3 with apache 2.0.40-8 but i don't
> know how to configure the apache httpd.conf file.
> i did the following configuration but everytime i visit the url i got access
> forbidden.
> 
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> 
> <Directory "/var/mailman/cgi-bin">
>         Options ExecCGI
>         AllowOverride None
>         Allow from from all
>         Order allow,deny
> </Directory>
> 
> 

Looks good - as long as mailman is installed to /var/mailman/..
Are you loading the alias module: "AddModule mod_alias.c"?

What are the rights on your /var/mailman/cgi-bin directory?
drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman     cgi-bin

  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     admin
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     admindb
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     archives
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     edithtml
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     handle_opts
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     htdig
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     listinfo
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     options
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     private
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     roster
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     subscribe
  -rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     updateTOC


What group (GID) does apache run as on your server, and did you setup
Mailman to use the proper GID?  See the FAQ if you don't understand this
question.

===
Here is a copy of the httpd.conf Mailman setup from one of my working
installations.  It looks just like yours.

  # Set up ScriptAlias for Gnu Mailman service
  ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

  <Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/">
          AllowOverride None
          Options ExecCGI
          Order allow,deny
          Allow from all
  </Directory>

  # Point to pipermail public mailing list archives
  Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

===

Good luck - Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 17:32:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Dec 2002 11:32:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Archive link in moved lists?
In-Reply-To: <20021209070658.GG14995@routt.net>
References: <20021209070658.GG14995@routt.net>
Message-ID: <1039451543.5458.27.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This is discussed in the archives.  I believe some folks have even
donated scripts to help fix this type of problem.  Sorry I don't have
any examples handy.

You can fix it using the "withlist" command, but some of the archived
examples make it very easy - and remove the trial and error.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 02:06, Liam Routt wrote:
> I've moved some lists from one machine (zephyr) to another one (alita) and 
> in the process I've upgraded to MM2.1b5. All is well with some of the 
> lists, so far, but I have noticed that with some of the lists the "Go to 
> list archives" link on the admin pages, and the list Archives link on the 
> listinfo page, show the old zephyr link. That is a problem as that machine 
> isn't alive right now...
> 
> Any idea why some of the lists have migrated fine and others not?
> 
> And, how can I fix up the links for the pages which are wrong?
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Liam
> --
> Liam Routt                                               liam at routt.net
> Darcsyde Productions                     http://www.routt.net/Caligari/
> 
>         -- still waiting for the Absolute Destiny Apocalypse --
> 
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> 
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From thomas at thosmos.com  Mon Dec  9 17:36:17 2002
From: thomas at thosmos.com (Thomas Spellman)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:36:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete archives?
In-Reply-To: <aouha2$se$1@main.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <000401c29fa1$19f14af0$0100a8c0@thosmos>

How do you delete one archived post, or all archives for a list?

Thanks



From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec  9 17:35:10 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:35:10 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-wrapping mail in Pipermail archive
Message-ID: <20021209163510.101@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I've looked in the FAQs....

I see some mails don't wrap when viewed in my Pipermail archive. I have
one which is from a Yahoo user. No doubt that's the problem! My messages
are run through StripMime to remove HTML and attachments. The Yahoo mail
reported...

>--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
>multipart/alternative
>  text/plain (text body -- kept)
>  text/html
>---

Obviously the remaining plain text wasn't set to wrap and so the archive
page has to be scrolled right to read the message. A real pain!

How can I deal with this? Is there another script somewhere I can use to
force messages like this one to wrap at a given character count?

Do other archives (MHonArc?) deal with this problem better?

Mailman 2.0.13 user BTW.

Thanks

-- 
David Gordon





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 17:37:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Dec 2002 11:37:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration
In-Reply-To: <3DF4DB5A.7400.232DA3C@localhost>
References: <3DF4DB5A.7400.232DA3C@localhost>
Message-ID: <1039451843.5451.32.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Surely you haven't read the documentation...

To quote Jeremy Portzer:
To find out information about an RPM's maker, etc., run "rpm -qip
filename.rpm" .  If you run that command on the Red Hat Linux
mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, you'll see a bunch of EXTREMELY important
setup notes -- things you must do after installing the RPM.  Follow
those instructions!  Don't complain if you don't follow them and stuff
doesn't work!  *grin*

If that doesn't resolve your problems, then check out the FAQ entry:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

Take care - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-09 at 02:05, Edwin Humphries wrote:
> G'day,
> 
> I'm trying to install mailman to manage a couple of mailing lists. We've got it installed, and run 
> the tests (etc). Setting up a test list results in an email giving URls for the web configuration 
> facility, which appears to work fine, and the subscribe page.  Subscribing to it results in an 
> email which give the test at servername and test-request at servername links. Neither work, giving a 
> "550 5.1.1 <email address>... User unknown" error.
> 
> Am I missing something here? Surely mailman doesn't requrie the test at servername and test-
> request at servername to be configured manually on the server!
> 
> It's a RH7.2 server, running sendmail and apache. We're running mailman-2.0.13, the redhat rpm 
> downloaded from rpmfind.net
> 
> Edwin Humphries,
> Ironstone Technology Pty Ltd
> edwin at ironstone.com.au
> Phone: 02 4233 2299
> Fax: 02 4233 2299
> Mobile: 0419 233 051
> 
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec  9 17:46:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 09 Dec 2002 11:46:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <000001c29d62$8bc9f6e0$65b42a19@sandy>
References: <000001c29d62$8bc9f6e0$65b42a19@sandy>
Message-ID: <1039452406.5458.39.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Version 2.0.x won't de-dup.  Read the FAQ entry:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp

Good luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 15:03, Sandy Hansen wrote:
> Here's a query probably addressed in documentation, but there is so much
> 
> documentation to plow through, thought a quick query might be a more
> efficient 
> use of my limited time.
> 
> I have installed seven Mailman lists on a website I maintain. If I set
> up an 
> umbrella list, will it de-dup names, since I have a group which is 
> automatically subscribed to ALL of these little-used lists? I'd love to
> send a 
> message to all lists, but don't want people to receive it seven times. 
> 
> Thanks,
> --
> Sandy Hansen
> Website Administrator
> AAUW of California
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From tshore at td.rutgers.edu  Mon Dec  9 23:09:31 2002
From: tshore at td.rutgers.edu (Tom Shore)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] broken scripts
Message-ID: <20021209170931.A3107@thebit.td.rutgers.edu>

I'm not entirely certain if this is the right forum for this question, one
of the Python lists may be better, but ah well.

I'm attempting to get Mailman 2.0.13 working on a Sun machine running
Solaris 2.8, Apache 1.3.23, and Python 2.2.2.

I've installed both mailman and python from source and set up the various
permissions for mailman correctly. When trying to look at
http://my.server/mailman/listinfo/ with my browser I get a page saying:


	Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13

	We're sorry, we hit a bug!

	Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem.
	Printing of traceback and other system information has been
	explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information
	in the Mailman error logs. 


There wasn't anything in the mailman error logs, but there was an entry in
apache's logs:

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 66, in run_main
    from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in
?
    import time
ImportError: No module named time
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.2.2 (#3, Dec  9 2002, 13:36:26)
[GCC 2.8.1]
sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local/python
sys.path       = /usr/local/python
sys.platform   = sunos5
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        PATH_INFO: /
        PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.23 (Unix)

It seems to me that there's something screwy with Python's setup, since it
can't seem to find the time module. I think I need to reconfigure python
or mailman to use a different value for PYTHONPATH, but I'm not sure how
to go about doing so. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

-Tom Shore


From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Mon Dec  9 23:50:36 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:50:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I use MHonArc with Mailman?
Message-ID: <20021209225036.15303@smtp.ntlworld.com>

As usual, I read the FAQs

>4.4. How can I use an external archiver with Mailman like MHonArc?

> Configuring Mailman to use an external archiver instead of the internal
>Pipermail is slightly finicky. A HOWTO for this was posted to the
>mailman-developers list and should be copied in here once someone finds it. 

Did anyone find it yet?!

I'd like to use MHonArc as it allows correct wrapping of messages and
some other nice features.

Anyone using it?

-- 
David Gordon





From liam at routt.net  Tue Dec 10 01:07:35 2002
From: liam at routt.net (Liam Routt)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:07:35 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Archive link in moved lists?
In-Reply-To: <1039451543.5458.27.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <20021209070658.GG14995@routt.net>
	<1039451543.5458.27.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021210000735.GA25851@routt.net>

Jon Carnes wrote:
> This is discussed in the archives.  I believe some folks have even
> donated scripts to help fix this type of problem.  Sorry I don't have
> any examples handy.

Thanks for the pointers, though.

> You can fix it using the "withlist" command, but some of the archived
> examples make it very easy - and remove the trial and error.

With the "withlist" term, I was able to make a search in the archives that 
did locate the sort of thing I was looking for, and I set about making a 
python version of the scripts that people had made.

When I tried it, however, I found that the attributes it was looking for 
are no longer part of the list config information... (I'm using 2.1b5)

I'd based my python code on bin/fix_url.py, which changes a different, but 
important-sounding attribute (web_page_url). So I checked that attribute 
and found it was wrong on the lists I was having trouble with.

To cut a long story short, I then used fix_url.py to trivially fix my 
wonky lists, all of which seem fine now. For reference, the command line I 
used was:

  bin/withlist -l -r fix_url tuesdays -v

Where "tuesdays" is the name of one of my lists. It printed (with the -v 
option) a record of what it was changing, and sure enough the changes were 
present on the web-pages immediately.

If you know where to look.... :)

Thanks, Jon!

Take care,

Liam
--
Liam Routt                                               liam at routt.net
Darcsyde Productions                     http://www.routt.net/Caligari/

        -- still waiting for the Absolute Destiny Apocalypse --


From raquel at thericehouse.net  Tue Dec 10 03:06:03 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:06:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non-wrapping mail in Pipermail archive
In-Reply-To: <20021209163510.101@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021209163510.101@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <20021209180603.44f02141.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:35:10 +0000
"David Gordon" <davidgordon at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> I've looked in the FAQs....
> 
> I see some mails don't wrap when viewed in my Pipermail archive. I
> have one which is from a Yahoo user. No doubt that's the problem!
> My messages are run through StripMime to remove HTML and
> attachments. The Yahoo mail reported...
> 
> >--- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts ---
> >multipart/alternative
> >  text/plain (text body -- kept)
> >  text/html
> >---
> 
> Obviously the remaining plain text wasn't set to wrap and so the
> archive page has to be scrolled right to read the message. A real
> pain!
> 
> How can I deal with this? Is there another script somewhere I can
> use to force messages like this one to wrap at a given character
> count?
> 
> Do other archives (MHonArc?) deal with this problem better?
> 
> Mailman 2.0.13 user BTW.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> David Gordon

Try to force all your users to use mail clients which wrap at 72
characters?

--
Raquel
============================================================
Rarely do we find men who willingly engage in hard, solid thinking. 
There is an almost universal quest for easy answers and half-baked
solutions.  Nothing pains some people more than having to think.
  --Martin Luther King, Jr.



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Dec 10 04:28:07 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 19:28:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I use MHonArc with Mailman?
In-Reply-To: Message from "David Gordon" <davidgordon@ntlworld.com>
	<20021209225036.15303@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20021209225036.15303@smtp.ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <28663.1039490887@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:50:36 +0000
David Gordon <davidgordon at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> As usual, I read the FAQs
>> 4.4. How can I use an external archiver with Mailman like MHonArc?

>> Configuring Mailman to use an external archiver instead of the
>> internal Pipermail is slightly finicky. A HOWTO for this was posted
>> to the mailman-developers list and should be copied in here once
>> someone finds it.

> Did anyone find it yet?!

> I'd like to use MHonArc as it allows correct wrapping of messages and
> some other nice features.

Adding MHonArc to the system is trivial if you use an external archiving
address rather than binding it into Mailman.  I've been doing this for
years.

--
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From elaine at elainemiller.com  Tue Dec 10 07:43:38 2002
From: elaine at elainemiller.com (Elaine Miller)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:43:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] anonymous posting and web posting to Mailman
Message-ID: <3DF51C9A.30344.67AE07@localhost>

This thread came up a while back, and I said I'd trundle off and play with 
the idea.

I've got it working now, in the simplest way I could think, with the 
latest version of Formmail.

In short, posting can be done from within an .htaccess protected 
directory, and the user can type in their own subscr*bed email address

...or Formmail can be tweaked to send with a single email address (like 
anonymous at domain.com) to the list address, which would have to have 
anonymous at domain.com as a subscr*ber.

Not a high-security workaround!

If the above isn't clear, drop me a note and I'll send you samples.

cheers
Elaine



--
Elaine Miller; Geek.
http://dyketech.com/
elaine at dyketech.com




From jchum at aismedia.com  Tue Dec 10 14:52:31 2002
From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sending Out Duplicates!
Message-ID: <01e601c2a053$63367c00$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>

I'm not sure what exactly is the problem, however Mailman is sending
duplicates up to 12x for a client of ours. I reviewed the dmesg.today log
file and notice it ran out SWAP space. The machine is a PIII 850 with 128 MB
RAM and 512 of SWAP space.

There are two lists that are blasted out. . . one list that's 72,500
subscribers and another list of 37,300 subscribers.

The problem usually occurs when the 72,500 subscribers are blasted out. We
did not have this problem when the client started with 50K subscribers and
the previous administrator tweaked Sendmail and Mailman.

I would think Mailman working as a robust list server should have mechanisms
to prevent duplicate emails. Reviewing the ps -auxww when the SWAP space ran
out, it looked like a few Mailman processes was sucking up all the memory.

Any ideas to fix tihs issue? Is memory the problem? I was thinking of
slapping in more memory into the machine.


Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
"We Build eBusinesses"
115 Perimeter Center Terrace
Suite 540
Atlanta, GA 30346
Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 10 15:51:09 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Dec 2002 09:51:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sending Out Duplicates!
In-Reply-To: <01e601c2a053$63367c00$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
References: <01e601c2a053$63367c00$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
Message-ID: <1039531873.1609.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Wow.  Memory is the problem.  Yes, add more memory.

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 08:52, Jonathan Chum wrote:
> I'm not sure what exactly is the problem, however Mailman is sending
> duplicates up to 12x for a client of ours. I reviewed the dmesg.today log
> file and notice it ran out SWAP space. The machine is a PIII 850 with 128 MB
> RAM and 512 of SWAP space.
> 
> There are two lists that are blasted out. . . one list that's 72,500
> subscribers and another list of 37,300 subscribers.
> 
> The problem usually occurs when the 72,500 subscribers are blasted out. We
> did not have this problem when the client started with 50K subscribers and
> the previous administrator tweaked Sendmail and Mailman.
> 
> I would think Mailman working as a robust list server should have mechanisms
> to prevent duplicate emails. Reviewing the ps -auxww when the SWAP space ran
> out, it looked like a few Mailman processes was sucking up all the memory.
> 
> Any ideas to fix tihs issue? Is memory the problem? I was thinking of
> slapping in more memory into the machine.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Jonathan Chum
> Systems Developer
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
> "We Build eBusinesses"
> 115 Perimeter Center Terrace
> Suite 540
> Atlanta, GA 30346
> Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
> http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Dec 10 16:58:22 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:58:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved to a new host; two minor(ish) problems
Message-ID: <20021210155822.GB8616@sherohman.org>

The power supply on my Mailman (among other things) server died a couple
weeks ago and I decided to move it to a new host, as this was not the first
hardware trouble the old one had experienced.  Lists appear to be working,
but I have discovered two problems:

1)  List admin passwords seem to have been forgotten.  I can still access the
admin interface by using the site password, but the admin passwords for the
individual lists no longer work.  I know I can reset the list passwords using
the site password, so this is mostly just an annoyance.

2)  Private archives appear to be broken.  After authenticating and getting
the list's archives page, clicking on the desired archive returns to the
authetication page, which then brings me back to the list's archives page.
(Yes, I'm accepting the cookie and have verified in Mozilla's "Cookie
Manager" dialog that a listname:archive cookie is present.)

The mailman installation (on both the old and new hosts) is the latest Debian
stable version, 2.0.11.

-- 
The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the
White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that
we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened.
  - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html)


From jchum at aismedia.com  Tue Dec 10 17:44:22 2002
From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:44:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sending Out Duplicates!
In-Reply-To: <1039531873.1609.14.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <01eb01c2a06b$651b2da0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>

Just curious, is there any expected memory size for certain sized lists to
go by? What is the recommended amount of RAM for something like this which
is blasted once a week?


Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
"We Build eBusinesses"
115 Perimeter Center Terrace
Suite 540
Atlanta, GA 30346
Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org]On Behalf Of
Jon Carnes
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:51 AM
To: jchum at aismedia.com
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sending Out Duplicates!


Wow.  Memory is the problem.  Yes, add more memory.

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 08:52, Jonathan Chum wrote:
> I'm not sure what exactly is the problem, however Mailman is sending
> duplicates up to 12x for a client of ours. I reviewed the dmesg.today log
> file and notice it ran out SWAP space. The machine is a PIII 850 with 128
MB
> RAM and 512 of SWAP space.
>
> There are two lists that are blasted out. . . one list that's 72,500
> subscribers and another list of 37,300 subscribers.
>
> The problem usually occurs when the 72,500 subscribers are blasted out. We
> did not have this problem when the client started with 50K subscribers and
> the previous administrator tweaked Sendmail and Mailman.
>
> I would think Mailman working as a robust list server should have
mechanisms
> to prevent duplicate emails. Reviewing the ps -auxww when the SWAP space
ran
> out, it looked like a few Mailman processes was sucking up all the memory.
>
> Any ideas to fix tihs issue? Is memory the problem? I was thinking of
> slapping in more memory into the machine.
>
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan Chum
> Systems Developer
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
> "We Build eBusinesses"
> 115 Perimeter Center Terrace
> Suite 540
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From delilah at seyyav.pair.com  Tue Dec 10 18:29:02 2002
From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:29:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest volume numbers
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0212101227490.2469-100000@seyyav.pair.com>

Hi,

I'm using mailman 2.0.6.  How can I can increment the digest volume
number?

Sean



From mailman at carlspies.com  Tue Dec 10 19:30:30 2002
From: mailman at carlspies.com (Carl Spies)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:30:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 help needed: "Operating system error" message - no mail sent  .... sigh
Message-ID: <000b01c2a07a$3b1918f0$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>

Hi there

I'm running MailMan 2.0..13-3 (rpm) on Red Hat 7.2 with Sendmail 8.11.6-3

Keep getting the following errors:

Dec 10 09:01:53 panegyris sendmail[1469]: gBAH1r801468:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons",
ctladdr=<neurons at neurosemantics.com> (516/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30311, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system
error
Dec 10 09:38:03 panegyris sendmail[1521]: gBAHc2k01520:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner neurons",
ctladdr=<neurons-admin at neurosemantics.com> (516/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=138379, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system
error

I've read the Main FAQ (especially 3.14.) and have confirmed that all is in
place and working - the alias' entry, the symbolic link to wrapper in smrsh
etc etc.

I'm puzzled - any ideas on the problem?

Get thsi error message mailed too:


   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <neurons at neurosemantics.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/mailman/lists/neurons/config.db'
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

Any help would be hugely appreciated.

Warm regards
Carl





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 10 19:36:36 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Dec 2002 13:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sending Out Duplicates!
In-Reply-To: <01eb01c2a06b$651b2da0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
References: <01eb01c2a06b$651b2da0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
Message-ID: <1039545400.5705.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The memory requirements are dependent on the size of the messages going
out.  Generally, if you are hitting swap during normal or lite use then
you need to increase the physical RAM. 

RAM is cheap these days - hopefully you will have no problems filling up
your server.

Good Luck.

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 11:44, Jonathan Chum wrote:
> Just curious, is there any expected memory size for certain sized lists to
> go by? What is the recommended amount of RAM for something like this which
> is blasted once a week?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Jonathan Chum
> Systems Developer
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
> "We Build eBusinesses"
> 115 Perimeter Center Terrace
> Suite 540
> Atlanta, GA 30346
> Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
> http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org]On Behalf Of
> Jon Carnes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:51 AM
> To: jchum at aismedia.com
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sending Out Duplicates!
> 
> 
> Wow.  Memory is the problem.  Yes, add more memory.
> 
> On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 08:52, Jonathan Chum wrote:
> > I'm not sure what exactly is the problem, however Mailman is sending
> > duplicates up to 12x for a client of ours. I reviewed the dmesg.today log
> > file and notice it ran out SWAP space. The machine is a PIII 850 with 128
> MB
> > RAM and 512 of SWAP space.
> >
> > There are two lists that are blasted out. . . one list that's 72,500
> > subscribers and another list of 37,300 subscribers.
> >
> > The problem usually occurs when the 72,500 subscribers are blasted out. We
> > did not have this problem when the client started with 50K subscribers and
> > the previous administrator tweaked Sendmail and Mailman.
> >
> > I would think Mailman working as a robust list server should have
> mechanisms
> > to prevent duplicate emails. Reviewing the ps -auxww when the SWAP space
> ran
> > out, it looked like a few Mailman processes was sucking up all the memory.
> >
> > Any ideas to fix tihs issue? Is memory the problem? I was thinking of
> > slapping in more memory into the machine.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jonathan Chum
> > Systems Developer
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
> > "We Build eBusinesses"
> > 115 Perimeter Center Terrace
> > Suite 540
> > Atlanta, GA 30346
> > Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
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> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Dec 10 19:51:35 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 10 Dec 2002 13:51:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Sending Out Duplicates!
In-Reply-To: <01eb01c2a06b$651b2da0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
References: <01eb01c2a06b$651b2da0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
Message-ID: <1039546299.3429.33.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 11:44, Jonathan Chum wrote:
> Just curious, is there any expected memory size for certain sized lists to
> go by? What is the recommended amount of RAM for something like this which
> is blasted once a week?
>

One way to figure this out is to 
	1)  Increase your swap space so you don't get the out-of-swap errors
(you absolutely MUST do at least this if you want to avoid the mailman
problems)
	2)  Watch over your system when the list posts are sent.  The "free"
command, and similar information shown by "top," will show how much RAM
and swap space is being used (in Linux at least)
	3)  Increase your physical RAM to at least the amount of swap space
that was being used.  The object is to never have to use swap, but have
it available for "emergencies."

If you're using Linux, and I think other OSes do this too, be aware of
the buffers and cached stuff that shows in the output of "free".  The
memory that's actually being used by programs is in the "-/+
buffers/cache" line.  The buffers and cache speed up performance in
certain ways, but the kernel will automatically reduce their use when 
memory is allocated by actual programs. 

--Jeremy



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 10 20:50:04 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Dec 2002 14:50:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  help needed: "Operating system error" message
	- no mail sent  .... sigh
In-Reply-To: <000b01c2a07a$3b1918f0$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
References: <000b01c2a07a$3b1918f0$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
Message-ID: <1039549813.5990.0.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 13:30, Carl Spies wrote:
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/mailman/lists/neurons/config.db'
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

Did you run Check_perms?  What are the permissions on
/var/mailman/lists/neurons?



From mailman at carlspies.com  Tue Dec 10 21:09:16 2002
From: mailman at carlspies.com (Carl Spies)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:09:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  help needed: "GID change" message
References: <000b01c2a07a$3b1918f0$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
	<1039549813.5990.0.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00f301c2a088$074fc560$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "Carl Spies" <mailman at carlspies.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] help needed: "Operating system error" message-
no mail sent .... sigh


> Did you run Check_perms?  What are the permissions on
> /var/mailman/lists/neurons?

Yip - I checked the perms - all fine there.

I'm running it in a chrooted environment - I get the error message:

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner neurons"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <neurons-admin at neurosemantics.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 516.  (Reconfigure to take
516?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

How do I reconfigure Mailman to take 516 then as the gid?

Carl




From jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com  Tue Dec 10 21:20:08 2002
From: jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com (Jim Millard)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:20:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers
Message-ID: <CAEAJIDKLMFMEMNFNGFAKEGACLAA.jmillard@pioneer-pdt.com>

I have looked at the archive and FAQ but did not find an answer.
Is it possible to have mailman put a sequence number on messages?
What I would like is to have a character in the converted subject
that would translate into an incrementing sequence number to track
individual threads or messages.

--
Regards,
Jim Millard
Sr. Software Engineer
Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
==============================================
I think they used to call them transistor units.
Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9 


From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Dec 10 22:02:22 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers
In-Reply-To: <CAEAJIDKLMFMEMNFNGFAKEGACLAA.jmillard@pioneer-pdt.com>;
	from jim.millard@pioneer-pdt.com on Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 12:20:08PM -0800
References: <CAEAJIDKLMFMEMNFNGFAKEGACLAA.jmillard@pioneer-pdt.com>
Message-ID: <20021210160221.A13746@dogpound.vnet.net>

Mailman doesn't do that right now, but there was discussion on the mailman-developers list about putting this in but won't happen probably until after 2.1 is released.

* Jim Millard (jim.millard at pioneer-pdt.com) wrote:
> I have looked at the archive and FAQ but did not find an answer.
> Is it possible to have mailman put a sequence number on messages?
> What I would like is to have a character in the converted subject
> that would translate into an incrementing sequence number to track
> individual threads or messages.


----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Tuesday, December 10, 2002 / 04:00PM       |
----------------------------------------------
Programming is an unnatural act.


From ler at lerctr.org  Tue Dec 10 22:07:34 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:07:34 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footers in 2.1B5?
Message-ID: <217910000.1039554454@lerlaptop.iadfw.net>

Are footers broken for new lists set up in 2.1B5?

I just set up a client with 2.1B5, and the gent has a long footer that 
doesn't seem to be
attached to the messages.

This is a setup with qmail/plesk(yuk, btw)/RH7.1/python 2.2.2.

I had to use the Sendmail transport, as the Plesk overlay on RH wouldn't 
let me
setup relay right for localhost (yech, cost my client 2-3 hours of 
fighting).

Also, is there a way (the client wants this), to have the archives allow 
posting
back to the list, and/or replying to the list and/or sender?

Thanks!

LER


-- 
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Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 10 22:39:50 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Dec 2002 16:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  help needed: "GID change" message
In-Reply-To: <00f301c2a088$074fc560$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
References: <000b01c2a07a$3b1918f0$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
	<1039549813.5990.0.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<00f301c2a088$074fc560$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
Message-ID: <1039556394.6081.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This is an FAQ item.  The message you are getting means that your mail
server is set to use GroupID 516.  When you setup Mailman you told it
that your mail server was using GroupID 12 (or you left it to the
default and it found a GID called "mail" that was set to 12).

You can either change the GroupID that your MTA uses to 12, or you can
re-install mailman and use the following:
  ./configure  --with-mail-gid=516

This will install Mailman and set it to allow members of group 516 to
access the mail wrapper program.

Good luck - Jon Carnes 

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 15:09, Carl Spies wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: "Carl Spies" <mailman at carlspies.com>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] help needed: "Operating system error" message-
> no mail sent .... sigh
> 
> 
> > Did you run Check_perms?  What are the permissions on
> > /var/mailman/lists/neurons?
> 
> Yip - I checked the perms - all fine there.
> 
> I'm running it in a chrooted environment - I get the error message:
> 
>     ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner neurons"
>     (reason: 2)
>     (expanded from: <neurons-admin at neurosemantics.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 516.  (Reconfigure to take
> 516?)
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
> 
> How do I reconfigure Mailman to take 516 then as the gid?
> 
> Carl
> 
> 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 10 22:43:42 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 10 Dec 2002 16:43:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sequence Numbers
In-Reply-To: <CAEAJIDKLMFMEMNFNGFAKEGACLAA.jmillard@pioneer-pdt.com>
References: <CAEAJIDKLMFMEMNFNGFAKEGACLAA.jmillard@pioneer-pdt.com>
Message-ID: <1039556626.6128.23.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

There was a hack (or patch - if you are so inclined) that did this for
an earlier version of Mailman.  As I recall the hack was fairly simple
and involved the creation of a new file in the config directory for the
list.  The incrementing number was stored in that file.

I don't think this feature has been added to the new beta.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 15:20, Jim Millard wrote:
> I have looked at the archive and FAQ but did not find an answer.
> Is it possible to have mailman put a sequence number on messages?
> What I would like is to have a character in the converted subject
> that would translate into an incrementing sequence number to track
> individual threads or messages.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Jim Millard
> Sr. Software Engineer
> Pioneer Digital Technologies, Inc.
> ==============================================
> I think they used to call them transistor units.
> Montgomery - Scott Stardate 3131.9 
> 
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From darren at A470.com  Tue Dec 10 22:46:46 2002
From: darren at A470.com (Darren Wyn Rees)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:46:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN_OWNER variable
In-Reply-To: <20021208204506.GA67652@bsdfree.A470.com>
References: <20021208204506.GA67652@bsdfree.A470.com>
Message-ID: <20021210214646.GA11205@bsdfree.A470.com>

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 08:45:06PM +0000, Darren Wyn Rees wrote:

> MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
> 
> But the page persists displaying "Send questions or comments to 
> mailman at my.host.here"

This is awfully annoying.  If you download the most current beta
mailman and recursively grep through all files, no reference
is made to "MAILMAN_OWNER" variable (AFAICT).  If however you
search the list archives for mailman-users, people are
referencing this variable.  Any offers ? 

-- 
Darren Wyn Rees


From barry at python.org  Wed Dec 11 02:33:12 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 beta 6
Message-ID: <15862.38360.272912.231108@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


I've released Mailman 2.1 beta 6.  This is the last planned beta
release before MM2.1 final, which I still expect to release before the
end of the year.  See below for a list of changes since 2.1b5.  There
have been lots of bug fxes and lots of translations updates.

The new tarball has been uploaded to SourceForge, and the various web
sites will be updated shortly.

Enjoy,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.1 beta 6 (09-Dec-2002)

    Lots and lots of bug fixes, and translation updates.  Also,

    - ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS is now set to true by default.

    - QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES is now set to true by default.

    - Bounce messages which were recognized, but in which no member
      addresses were found are no longer forwarded to the list
      administrator.

    - bin/arch grew a --wipe option which first removes the entire old
      archive before regenerating the new one.

    - bin/mailmanctl -u now prints a warning that permission problems
      could appear, such as when trying to delete a list through the
      web that has some archives in it.

    - bin/remove_members grew --nouserack/-n and -noadminack/-N options.

    - A new script bin/list_owners has been added for printing out
      list owners and moderators.

    - Dates in the web version of archived messages are now relative
      to the local timezone, and include the timezone names, when
      available.


From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Dec 11 04:56:05 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:56:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moved to a new host; two minor(ish) problems
In-Reply-To: <20021210155822.GB8616@sherohman.org>
References: <20021210155822.GB8616@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <p05200f00ba1c67849829@[192.168.1.50]>

At 9:58 -0600 12/10/2002, Dave Sherohman wrote:
>1)  List admin passwords seem to have been forgotten.  I can still access the
>admin interface by using the site password, but the admin passwords for the
>individual lists no longer work.  I know I can reset the list passwords using
>the site password, so this is mostly just an annoyance.

Encryption working differently on the two hosts???

If you set some list's admin password to what it was before, does it start
working?

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA


From helmutm at cyberdev.org  Wed Dec 11 08:04:46 2002
From: helmutm at cyberdev.org (Helmut Merz)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:04:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help needed: "Operating system error" message -
	no mail sent .... sigh
In-Reply-To: <000b01c2a07a$3b1918f0$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
References: <000b01c2a07a$3b1918f0$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>
Message-ID: <02121108044605.25838@merz05>

Hi Carl,

Am Dienstag, 10. Dezember 2002 19:30 schrieb Carl Spies:
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/var/mailman/lists/neurons/config.db'
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

just an idea:

is the user "mailman" assigned to group "mailman"? - you 
might get this kind of error if it ist assigned to the 
common default group "users".

Helmut


From listmom at travellercentral.com  Wed Dec 11 16:08:26 2002
From: listmom at travellercentral.com (Listmom)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:08:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] digest volume numbers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0212101227490.2469-100000@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <BA1C94E9.1344%listmom@travellercentral.com>

> Hi,
> 
> I'm using mailman 2.0.6.  How can I can increment the digest volume
> number?
> 
> Sean
> 

You can use the setdigests script in mailman/cron.  Just set the
mlist.volume = [volume number] and mlist.next_digest_number = [next digest
number]
-- 
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From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Wed Dec 11 17:13:41 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:13:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual host...
Message-ID: <20021211161341.63215.qmail@web21304.mail.yahoo.com>


   Hi there!

      Does anybody knows how to configure mailman with
virtual host, for example:

      http://mydomain.com/list
      http://ourdomain.com/list_test  
         
       In the same machine???

       I?m working with MM2.1b3

   Cheers!

        

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La mejor conexi?n a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx


From opiela at attbi.com  Wed Dec 11 20:12:29 2002
From: opiela at attbi.com (opiela at attbi.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:12:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Exim problem
Message-ID: <3DF78E1D.7E9D7B6E@attbi.com>

Mailman version 2.0.13
Exim version 3.12
Python version 2.1.3

How can I tell Mailman to use the localhost of mydomain.net instead
of machinename.mydomain.net? I've changed the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and
DEFAULT_URL to mydomain.net in the mm_cfg.py file, but it doesn't
seem to have any affect.

I've also changed the "Host name this list prefers." and
"Base URL for Mailman web interface" in the admin web page to be
the mydomain.net, but that also seems to have no effect.

Reason I'm asking: my isp is refusing to relay outbound messages with
the localhost set to machinename.mydomain.net. It'll work with the
localhost set to mydomain.net.

How can I tell Mailman to use mydomain.net?

Thanks

Rob


From sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br  Wed Dec 11 21:55:47 2002
From: sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br (Marcelo Assis)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:55:47 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server name in admin messages
Message-ID: <015901c2a157$ae1bcf40$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>

Hi all!

we need some help......

We have configured a "virtual domain" for mailman, reflecting a hostname
pointing to the mailman machine. It now seems that mailman uses the machiens
primary name in the URL included in the mails it sends out (administrative
messages - subscribes, unsubscribes, etc).

How can we get the per list configured name there?

thanks a lot in advance for any help!!


marcelo



From gjc at inescporto.pt  Thu Dec 12 14:20:20 2002
From: gjc at inescporto.pt (Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 13:20:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to accept posts from everyone?
Message-ID: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>

  Hi.

  I would like to configure a mailman list to accept post from anyone,
i. e., disable access control completely.

  Right now, it only accepts messages from a restric list of senders.
Others are held for approval. I need to automatically accept
*everything*; the ML should be completely open.

   How can I configure this? Thanks in advance.

-- 
Gustavo Jo?o Alves Marques Carneiro
<gjc at inescporto.pt> <gustavo at users.sourceforge.net>



From john at io.com  Thu Dec 12 14:34:04 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 07:34:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to accept posts from everyone?
In-Reply-To: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
References: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
Message-ID: <20021212133404.GI32056@io.com>

* "Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro" <gjc at inescporto.pt> [2002-12-12 13:20:20 +0000]:
>   Right now, it only accepts messages from a restric list of senders.
> Others are held for approval. I need to automatically accept
> *everything*; the ML should be completely open.

  Not to be a sourpuss, but every mailing list I've ever been on that
did that, I unsubscribed from due to spam and viral attachments
eventually.  Just FYI...be careful.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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                                     (Web page temporarily unavailable)
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec 12 15:03:12 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 09:03:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to accept posts from everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20021212133404.GI32056@io.com>
References: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt> 
	<20021212133404.GI32056@io.com>
Message-ID: <1039701795.1613.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Use the web-admin. Set the list to unmoderated and delete the list of
users "allowed" to post without moderation.

Also, take heed of the warning given to you by John Buttery.  He's
right.  If you don't front-end this list with some filters then it will
be abused.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 08:34, John Buttery wrote:
> * "Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro" <gjc at inescporto.pt> [2002-12-12 13:20:20 +0000]:
> >   Right now, it only accepts messages from a restric list of senders.
> > Others are held for approval. I need to automatically accept
> > *everything*; the ML should be completely open.
> 
>   Not to be a sourpuss, but every mailing list I've ever been on that
> did that, I unsubscribed from due to spam and viral attachments
> eventually.  Just FYI...be careful.
> 
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  John Buttery
>                                      (Web page temporarily unavailable)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> 

> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From gjc at inescporto.pt  Thu Dec 12 15:25:37 2002
From: gjc at inescporto.pt (Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:25:37 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to accept posts from everyone?
In-Reply-To: <20021212133404.GI32056@io.com>
References: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
	 <20021212133404.GI32056@io.com>
Message-ID: <1039703137.19494.47.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>

On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 13:34, John Buttery wrote:
> * "Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro" <gjc at inescporto.pt> [2002-12-12 13:20:20 +0000]:
> >   Right now, it only accepts messages from a restric list of senders.
> > Others are held for approval. I need to automatically accept
> > *everything*; the ML should be completely open.
> 
>   Not to be a sourpuss, but every mailing list I've ever been on that
> did that, I unsubscribed from due to spam and viral attachments
> eventually.  Just FYI...be careful.

  This is not a public mailing-list. It is private.
  To be more precise, what I want is to connect my private mailman ML to
another, public one. This is the scenario:
	1. someone sends mail to the public list (which I don't manage);
	2. the public list brodcasts the message, and since the private ML
address is subscribed to the public list, a copy of the message is sent
to the private ML address;
	3. the private ML manager (mailman) receives the message; however, the
From: field is set to someone at somedomain.com, so the message is help for
approval.

  So, I need to disable access control completely. However, if there's a
better alternative to solve this problem, I'm interested!

-- 
Gustavo Jo?o Alves Marques Carneiro
<gjc at inescporto.pt> <gustavo at users.sourceforge.net>



From gjc at inescporto.pt  Thu Dec 12 15:56:55 2002
From: gjc at inescporto.pt (Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 14:56:55 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to accept posts from everyone?
In-Reply-To: <1039701795.1613.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
	<1039701795.1613.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1039705015.19501.57.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>

On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 14:03, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Use the web-admin. Set the list to unmoderated and delete the list of
> users "allowed" to post without moderation.

  I'm afraid I can't find that setting. Can you tell me what
configuration category it is in, and what the name of that setting is?
Thanks in advance.

> 
> Also, take heed of the warning given to you by John Buttery.  He's
> right.  If you don't front-end this list with some filters then it will
> be abused.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 08:34, John Buttery wrote:
> > * "Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro" <gjc at inescporto.pt> [2002-12-12 13:20:20 +0000]:
> > >   Right now, it only accepts messages from a restric list of senders.
> > > Others are held for approval. I need to automatically accept
> > > *everything*; the ML should be completely open.
> > 
> >   Not to be a sourpuss, but every mailing list I've ever been on that
> > did that, I unsubscribed from due to spam and viral attachments
> > eventually.  Just FYI...be careful.
> > 
> > -- 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  John Buttery
> >                                      (Web page temporarily unavailable)
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----
> > 
> 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > 
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: gjc at inescporto.pt
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gjc%40inescporto.pt
-- 
Gustavo Jo?o Alves Marques Carneiro
<gjc at inescporto.pt> <gustavo at users.sourceforge.net>



From jsingh at fdu.edu  Thu Dec 12 16:15:40 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:15:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware
Message-ID: <007d01c2a1f1$5527d7e0$410bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi Everybody
   I needed some input as to what kind of hardware I should buy for my
mailman project. We will be hosting about 7000 lists with approximately
10-15 users in each list. If anyone is hosting the same or almost the
same number of lists, I would like to know what kind of hardware and OS
they are using for their lists. I figure the biggest issue is the MTA
with all the virus checking. 
Thanks
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec 12 16:48:35 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 10:48:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to accept posts from everyone?
In-Reply-To: <1039705015.19501.57.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
References: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
	<1039701795.1613.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<1039705015.19501.57.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
Message-ID: <1039708119.5478.7.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Login to the Web-admin for your list, go to the Privacy Options:
 - Must post be approved by an administrator:   No
 - Restrict posting privilege to list members:  No

Good Luck,
 
Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 09:56, Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 14:03, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > Use the web-admin. Set the list to unmoderated and delete the list of
> > users "allowed" to post without moderation.
> 
>   I'm afraid I can't find that setting. Can you tell me what
> configuration category it is in, and what the name of that setting is?
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> > 
> > Also, take heed of the warning given to you by John Buttery.  He's
> > right.  If you don't front-end this list with some filters then it will
> > be abused.
> > 
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> > 
> > On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 08:34, John Buttery wrote:
> > > * "Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro" <gjc at inescporto.pt> [2002-12-12 13:20:20 +0000]:
> > > >   Right now, it only accepts messages from a restric list of senders.
> > > > Others are held for approval. I need to automatically accept
> > > > *everything*; the ML should be completely open.
> > > 
> > >   Not to be a sourpuss, but every mailing list I've ever been on that
> > > did that, I unsubscribed from due to spam and viral attachments
> > > eventually.  Just FYI...be careful.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  John Buttery
> > >                                      (Web page temporarily unavailable)
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > ----
> > > 
> > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > 
> > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > 
> > This message was sent to: gjc at inescporto.pt
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gjc%40inescporto.pt
> -- 
> Gustavo Jo?o Alves Marques Carneiro
> <gjc at inescporto.pt> <gustavo at users.sourceforge.net>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From alita at neowiz.com  Thu Dec 12 02:07:40 2002
From: alita at neowiz.com (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?waQgx8+z5w==?=)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:07:40 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman install problem..
Message-ID: <FDE6222CD314D5118B1600508B6A8F9B0A4387B4@msg.ds.neowiz.com>


 I've installed mailman and tried to set up test list with admin's help, but
 got the following error and have not solved till now. :(

The original message was received at Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:59:11 +0900 (KST)
from blahblah

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <test-request at blahblah.blahblah>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: /home/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper: cannot execute
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
 
 Why sendmail cannot execute wrapper?

--
 Chung Ha-nyung <alita@[neowiz.com|kldp.org]>
 Sayclub <http://www.sayclub.com>
 NeoWiz <http://www.neowiz.com>



From heineck at us.ibm.com  Wed Dec 11 23:35:43 2002
From: heineck at us.ibm.com (Steve E Heineck)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:35:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman on AIX 5L v5.1
Message-ID: <OF7DF9C44B.B54FC87A-ON08256C8C.007BBEAF@us.ibm.com>





Hello,

I am working on a server consolidation of servers from SUN/Solaris V5.x to
IBM/AIX 5L v5.1.  Do you have any information on running Mailman on the AIX
operating system.  Any information you could provide would be of great
help.

Thanks.

Steve Heineck
IT Specialist
IBM Webserver Division, Pacific NW, NorCal
Office: 503-578-2469
Mobile: 503-522-2047
heineck at us.ibm.com



From JMKing at ipro.org  Wed Dec 11 22:41:25 2002
From: JMKing at ipro.org (Jaz-Michael King)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:41:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not your father's MX loop
Message-ID: <sdf7694d.012@mail.ipro.org>

Hi, here's my problem, I hope someone has experienced the 
same or similar. I've combed through the archives and found 
nothing.

Mailman is supposed to deliver to listmember at domain.com 

For some reason, mailman adds my domain, so the delivery 
is attempted for listmember at domain.com.mydomain.us 

Which, of course, gives me a loop error.

Here's a snip, email user names munged:
>>>
The original message was received at Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:54:57 -0700 (MST)
from ipro.us [161.58.192.48]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<user at albanycty.com>
    (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
<user at dremscope.com>
    (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
<user at foltshome.com>
    (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
<user.name at niagracounty.com>
    (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)
<user at 1mcmc.com>
    (reason: 553 5.3.5 system config error)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
553 5.3.5 albanycty.com.ipro.us. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error
553 5.3.5 dremscope.com.ipro.us. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error
553 5.3.5 foltshome.com.ipro.us. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error
553 5.3.5 niagracounty.com.ipro.us. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error
553 5.3.5 1mcmc.com.ipro.us. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?)
554 5.3.5 Local configuration error
<<<

Any ideas?

Cheers

******************************
Jaz-Michael King
Online Services Manager
IPRO
http://ipro.org
******************************




From jstern at aris.ss.uci.edu  Tue Dec 10 00:20:07 2002
From: jstern at aris.ss.uci.edu (Jeff Stern)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 15:20:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wishlist addition
Message-ID: <3DF52527.2080607@aris.ss.uci.edu>

hi, i didn?t see this on http://mailman.sourceforge.net/todo.html but it 
would be nice if, with mailman?s archives pages (whether organized by 
thread, subject, or author, or date) the user were not limited to 
searching by month only.

for instance, on the mailman-based mailing list, ?gimp-user?, for the 
gnome ?gimp? project (http://www.gimp.org), you can go to that mailing 
list?s archives, at http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-user/ . but 
if you want to do a search for the word, ?startup? (such as discussions 
on the gimp startup options), you have to painstakingly click through 
searches on **1 month at a time**. (i would use the htdig search 
facility they added, but it is broken as of today).

for instance, i click on ?View by Thread? under ?December 2002?. then 
getting to that month, i hit ?Ctrl-F? in my browser to search through 
the message subject headers for my word. not finding it, i have to back 
out and choose november 2002. and so on, all the way back to november 
1997, when that list apparently started.

it would be nice if i could get in a single page a listing of subject 
headers for the full archive, from the web site, and be able to use my 
browser?s Ctrl-F search function on that single page. i realize for some 
lists it would be long, and with a simple warning, the user would be 
forewarned, and could continue if she/he wanted.

thanks,
jeff stern



From karl at freefriends.org  Tue Dec 10 15:27:49 2002
From: karl at freefriends.org (Karl Berry)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:27:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] compress full mbox files?
Message-ID: <200212101427.gBAERn112187@f7.net>

Back on November 18, 2001, Jackie Meese asked about gzipping the full
mbox files in the mailman archive system:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg05253.htm
There was no answer that I could see.

Is there an answer?  The uncompressed file is many megabytes on active
lists.  This is not good either for disk space on the server, or for
people who want to download it.

I just want to do the usual thing of rotating it monthly or whatever.
It's obviously no problem to do the compression and rotation, leaving an
empty writable file behind for new messages.  The mailman-specific
problem is the html to access the archive.  Is editing the template in
Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py (and all the existing lists :() the only way?  

I'm still using mailman 2.0.13.  Will 2.1 offer any changes in this
regard?  (I looked around on the MM2.1 page, but didn't see anything
conclusive one way or the other.)

Thanks,
karl at freefriends.org


From mailmain at carlspies.com  Tue Dec 10 19:25:15 2002
From: mailmain at carlspies.com (Carl Spies)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:25:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 help needed: "Operating system error" message - no mail sent  .... sigh
Message-ID: <003001c2a079$7f4e4c80$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>

Hi

I'm running MailMan 2.0..13-3 (rpm) on Red Hat 7.2 with Sendmail 8.11.6-3

Keep getting the following errors:

Dec 10 09:01:53 panegyris sendmail[1469]: gBAH1r801468:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons",
ctladdr=<neurons at neurosemantics.com> (516/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30311, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system
error
Dec 10 09:38:03 panegyris sendmail[1521]: gBAHc2k01520:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner neurons",
ctladdr=<neurons-admin at neurosemantics.com> (516/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=138379, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system
error

I've read the Main FAQ (especially 3.14.) and have confirmed that all is in
place and working - the alias' entry, the symbolic link to wrapper in smrsh
etc etc.

I'm puzzled - any ideas on the problem?

Get thsi error message mailed too:


   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <neurons at neurosemantics.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/mailman/lists/neurons/config.db'
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

Any help would be hugely appreciated.

Warm regards
Carl




From marshall.norris at fw.us.neoris.com  Mon Dec  9 22:35:00 2002
From: marshall.norris at fw.us.neoris.com (Marshall Norris)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:35:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting user options
Message-ID: <DDCE2FDE7DDB024C8A28E23417590864224B52@ustexmxs01.neoris.cxnetworks.net>

I am trying to hide a newly added user to a Mailman list via command-line options.  I can do everything from command line except set the user options for the new user so that user is hidden from the list.  Anyone know of a way to do this?  Thanks!



From metamail at carlspies.com  Tue Dec 10 19:12:57 2002
From: metamail at carlspies.com (Carl Spies)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:12:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 help needed: "Operating system error" message - no mail sent  .... sigh 
Message-ID: <005a01c2a077$d4ecb430$4d0aa8c0@panegyris>

Hi there

I'm running MailMan 2.0..13-3 (rpm) on Red Hat 7.2 with Sendmail 8.11.6-3

Keep getting the following errors:

Dec 10 09:01:53 panegyris sendmail[1469]: gBAH1r801468:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons",
ctladdr=<neurons at neurosemantics.com> (516/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30311, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system
error
Dec 10 09:38:03 panegyris sendmail[1521]: gBAHc2k01520:
to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner neurons",
ctladdr=<neurons-admin at neurosemantics.com> (516/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=138379, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Operating system
error

I've read the Main FAQ (especially 3.14.) and have confirmed that all is in
place and working - the alias' entry, the symbolic link to wrapper in smrsh
etc etc.

I'm puzzled - any ideas on the problem?

Get thsi error message mailed too:


   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post neurons"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: <neurons at neurosemantics.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/mailman/lists/neurons/config.db'
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

Any help would be hugely appreciated.

Warm regards
Carl




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Dec 12 16:48:32 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:48:32 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware
In-Reply-To: <007d01c2a1f1$5527d7e0$410bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021212154237.03ce2808@ext-proxy.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:15 12/12/2002, jsingh wrote:

>Hi Everybody
>
>    I needed some input as to what kind of hardware I should buy for my 
> mailman project. We will be hosting about 7000 lists with approximately 
> 10-15 users in each list. If anyone is hosting the same or almost the 
> same number of lists, I would like to know what kind of hardware and OS 
> they are using for their lists. I figure the biggest issue is the MTA 
> with all the virus checking.
>
>Thanks
>
>jack

How much traffic the lists are going to see, the size of postings to them, 
whether you  intend to maintain list archives on the machine, whether you 
plan on using the builtin pipermail archiver or an external archiver such 
as MHonArc are also pertinent issues. 



From Secretary at MITATechs.com  Thu Dec 12 04:44:53 2002
From: Secretary at MITATechs.com (Andy Seitz)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:44:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wish list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211204010.00a023a0@get.in-tch.com>

For the "wish list":

It sure would be nice to be able to store and retrieve and have all the 
list members addresses
in the format of "Real Name" <eAddress at server.ext>.

Would be a great convenience to have the auto responder return all the mail 
that requires "owner" intervention without having to manually "reject" the 
mail.

eAndy Seitz, <Secretary at MITATechs.com>
Technicians organized to promote the Musical Instrument Service Industry.
2003 Annual Summer Service Seminars on 21-25 July 2003 at
The Orleans, 4500 W. Tropicana Avenue, Las Vegas NV 89104
Phone 800-675-3267 for room reservations prior to 12 June 2003.
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From sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br  Thu Dec 12 18:36:45 2002
From: sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br (Marcelo Assis)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:36:45 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: server name in admin messages
Message-ID: <012e01c2a205$0a73c290$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>

Folks,

Hi!

i posted this question yesterday, but got absolutely no response, and since
we have our server currently stopped because of this, i will ask again to
see if any kindred spirit might be able to offer us a little help.....

The problem is we have configured a "virtual domain" for mailman, reflecting
a hostname
pointing to the mailman machine. It now seems that mailman uses the machiens
primary name in the URL included in the mails it sends out (administrative
messages - subscribes, unsubscribes, etc).

Example:
Mailman is installed on a server www.domain1.com, but the lists should work
with www.domain2.com. The list is accepting requests on the
request at domain2.com, BUT, all the admin messages are sent out with urls
pointing to www.domain1.com/mailman/etc.

How can we get the per list configured name there? How can we configure all
server messages to use the list domain instead of the other one???

We greatly appreciate any kind of help!

thanks in advance,

marcelo



From john at io.com  Thu Dec 12 17:44:32 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:44:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to accept posts from everyone?
In-Reply-To: <1039703137.19494.47.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
References: <1039699220.19735.40.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
	<20021212133404.GI32056@io.com> <1039703137.19494.47.camel@spectrum.inescn.pt>
Message-ID: <20021212164432.GD4473@io.com>

  First of all, I'd like to say that this message really was sent to me,
and CCed to the list; this is not MailMan 2.1 personalization.

  Sorry, couldn't resist.  :)

* "Gustavo J. A. M.  Carneiro" <gjc at inescporto.pt> [2002-12-12 14:25:37 +0000]:
>   This is not a public mailing-list. It is private.
>   To be more precise, what I want is to connect my private mailman ML to
> another, public one. This is the scenario:
> 	1. someone sends mail to the public list (which I don't manage);
> 	2. the public list brodcasts the message, and since the private ML
> address is subscribed to the public list, a copy of the message is sent
> to the private ML address;
> 	3. the private ML manager (mailman) receives the message; however, the
> From: field is set to someone at somedomain.com, so the message is help for
> approval.
> 
>   So, I need to disable access control completely. However, if there's a
> better alternative to solve this problem, I'm interested!

  OK, this sounds much less menacing than what I was thinking.  This
is sort of a tricky situation, but what I personally would do is set
up some kind of filter.  Since you know that the only legitimate email
coming to the list (your private list) are list postings from the other
list, those should be easily identifiable by something like procmail
by matching the Sender: headers, any List-* headers, etc.  Just make a
filter that has a very restrictive ruleset that won't match anything
but a bona fide list posting from that other list, and drop everything
else on the floor.  (Hint: in addition to the usual procmail-fu, for
this case you can also pattern match in the Received: headers for the
list's SMTP server; since, again, ALL legit email is coming from the
same place.)

  Why don't you just get your users to subscribe themselves to the
original list?

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec 12 18:34:11 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 12:34:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: server name in admin messages
In-Reply-To: <012e01c2a205$0a73c290$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
References: <012e01c2a205$0a73c290$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
Message-ID: <1039714456.5705.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I assume you are using Mailman version 2.0.x... 
In the web admin under General options near the bottom, change the
website address to the virtual website address (but first make sure that
you can access the admin for the list using that virtual website
address!).

You really want to move over the the latest Beta release (soon to be
production): 2.1.6.  This version has much better handling of virtual
hosts.

Also, if you are using Sendmail, you should consider changing your MTA
over to Postfix which also makes handling virtual hosts much easier.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 12:36, Marcelo Assis wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Hi!
> 
> i posted this question yesterday, but got absolutely no response, and since
> we have our server currently stopped because of this, i will ask again to
> see if any kindred spirit might be able to offer us a little help.....
> 
> The problem is we have configured a "virtual domain" for mailman, reflecting
> a hostname
> pointing to the mailman machine. It now seems that mailman uses the machiens
> primary name in the URL included in the mails it sends out (administrative
> messages - subscribes, unsubscribes, etc).
> 
> Example:
> Mailman is installed on a server www.domain1.com, but the lists should work
> with www.domain2.com. The list is accepting requests on the
> request at domain2.com, BUT, all the admin messages are sent out with urls
> pointing to www.domain1.com/mailman/etc.
> 
> How can we get the per list configured name there? How can we configure all
> server messages to use the list domain instead of the other one???
> 
> We greatly appreciate any kind of help!
> 
> thanks in advance,
> 
> marcelo
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br  Thu Dec 12 20:39:26 2002
From: sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br (Marcelo Assis)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:39:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HELP, PLEASE: server name in admin messages
References: <012e01c2a205$0a73c290$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
	<1039714456.5705.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <020d01c2a216$2e4e0340$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:34 PM


> I assume you are using Mailman version 2.0.x...

It's Mailman 2.1b3...

> Also, if you are using Sendmail, you should consider changing your MTA
> over to Postfix which also makes handling virtual hosts much easier.

We're using Exim v3.36...

Basically we can access everything by each virtual host name, but it
seems that in Mailman we cannot switch wich hostname is included in
the URLs that Mailman sends out in his email messages. Is that right,
or should that work.

We need to support at least 4 hostnames, so changing the primary
machine hostname is not an option.

Thanks for any input!




> On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 12:36, Marcelo Assis wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > i posted this question yesterday, but got absolutely no response, and
since
> > we have our server currently stopped because of this, i will ask again
to
> > see if any kindred spirit might be able to offer us a little help.....
> >
> > The problem is we have configured a "virtual domain" for mailman,
reflecting
> > a hostname
> > pointing to the mailman machine. It now seems that mailman uses the
machiens
> > primary name in the URL included in the mails it sends out
(administrative
> > messages - subscribes, unsubscribes, etc).
> >
> > Example:
> > Mailman is installed on a server www.domain1.com, but the lists should
work
> > with www.domain2.com. The list is accepting requests on the
> > request at domain2.com, BUT, all the admin messages are sent out with urls
> > pointing to www.domain1.com/mailman/etc.
> >
> > How can we get the per list configured name there? How can we configure
all
> > server messages to use the list domain instead of the other one???
> >
> > We greatly appreciate any kind of help!
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> >
> > marcelo
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
>



From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Thu Dec 12 19:58:13 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:58:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman install problem..
In-Reply-To: <FDE6222CD314D5118B1600508B6A8F9B0A4387B4@msg.ds.neowiz.com>;
	from alita@neowiz.com on Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 10:07:40AM +0900
References: <FDE6222CD314D5118B1600508B6A8F9B0A4387B4@msg.ds.neowiz.com>
Message-ID: <20021212135813.A7870@dogpound.vnet.net>

* ?? ???? (alita at neowiz.com) wrote:
> 
>  I've installed mailman and tried to set up test list with admin's help, but
>  got the following error and have not solved till now. :(
> 
> The original message was received at Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:59:11 +0900 (KST)
> from blahblah
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (reason: 1)
>     (expanded from: <test-request at blahblah.blahblah>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: /home/mailman-2.0.13/mail/wrapper: cannot execute
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
>  
>  Why sendmail cannot execute wrapper?
[snip]

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Did you check the archives and FAQ?


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|--------------------------------------------|
| Thursday, December 12, 2002 / 01:57PM      |
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Useless Invention: Brown undershorts.


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec 12 19:59:18 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 13:59:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HELP, PLEASE: server name in admin messages
In-Reply-To: <020d01c2a216$2e4e0340$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
References: <012e01c2a205$0a73c290$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
	<1039714456.5705.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<020d01c2a216$2e4e0340$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
Message-ID: <1039719562.5807.18.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Have you added the virtual hosts in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
file?  If not, I would suggest that as a good first step.

You also might want to upgrade to the latest beta release (2.1.b6).

Good Luck - Jon.

On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 14:39, Marcelo Assis wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:34 PM
> 
> 
> > I assume you are using Mailman version 2.0.x...
> 
> It's Mailman 2.1b3...
> 
> > Also, if you are using Sendmail, you should consider changing your MTA
> > over to Postfix which also makes handling virtual hosts much easier.
> 
> We're using Exim v3.36...
> 
> Basically we can access everything by each virtual host name, but it
> seems that in Mailman we cannot switch wich hostname is included in
> the URLs that Mailman sends out in his email messages. Is that right,
> or should that work.
> 
> We need to support at least 4 hostnames, so changing the primary
> machine hostname is not an option.
> 
> Thanks for any input!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 12:36, Marcelo Assis wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > i posted this question yesterday, but got absolutely no response, and
> since
> > > we have our server currently stopped because of this, i will ask again
> to
> > > see if any kindred spirit might be able to offer us a little help.....
> > >
> > > The problem is we have configured a "virtual domain" for mailman,
> reflecting
> > > a hostname
> > > pointing to the mailman machine. It now seems that mailman uses the
> machiens
> > > primary name in the URL included in the mails it sends out
> (administrative
> > > messages - subscribes, unsubscribes, etc).
> > >
> > > Example:
> > > Mailman is installed on a server www.domain1.com, but the lists should
> work
> > > with www.domain2.com. The list is accepting requests on the
> > > request at domain2.com, BUT, all the admin messages are sent out with urls
> > > pointing to www.domain1.com/mailman/etc.
> > >
> > > How can we get the per list configured name there? How can we configure
> all
> > > server messages to use the list domain instead of the other one???
> > >
> > > We greatly appreciate any kind of help!
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > marcelo
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > >
> > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> >
> 




From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Thu Dec 12 20:02:14 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:02:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wish list
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211204010.00a023a0@get.in-tch.com>;
	from Secretary@MITATechs.com on Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 08:44:53PM -0700
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021211204010.00a023a0@get.in-tch.com>
Message-ID: <20021212140214.B7870@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Andy Seitz (Secretary at MITATechs.com) wrote:
> It sure would be nice to be able to store and retrieve and have all the 
> list members addresses
> in the format of "Real Name" <eAddress at server.ext>.

mailman 2.1 does this.  But mailman 2.0 does not.

> Would be a great convenience to have the auto responder return all the mail 
> that requires "owner" intervention without having to manually "reject" the 
> mail.

Not sure what you mean by this.  Could you be more specific?  Examples?


----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Thursday, December 12, 2002 / 01:58PM      |
----------------------------------------------
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?


From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Thu Dec 12 20:09:43 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:09:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wishlist addition
In-Reply-To: <3DF52527.2080607@aris.ss.uci.edu>;
	from jstern@aris.ss.uci.edu on Mon, Dec 09, 2002 at 03:20:07PM -0800
References: <3DF52527.2080607@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Message-ID: <20021212140943.C7870@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Jeff Stern (jstern at aris.ss.uci.edu) wrote:
> hi, i didn?t see this on http://mailman.sourceforge.net/todo.html but it 
> would be nice if, with mailman?s archives pages (whether organized by 
> thread, subject, or author, or date) the user were not limited to 
> searching by month only.

You have control over the archiving system.  Mailman saves all mail for the list in <homedir>/archives/private/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox.  You can use an outside archiver (ie MHonArc) and customize how you would like to do the web archives.

----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Thursday, December 12, 2002 / 02:06PM      |
----------------------------------------------
A bird in the hand can be messy.


From raquel at thericehouse.net  Thu Dec 12 20:10:11 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:10:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: HELP, PLEASE: server name in admin messages
In-Reply-To: <020d01c2a216$2e4e0340$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
References: <012e01c2a205$0a73c290$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
	<1039714456.5705.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
	<020d01c2a216$2e4e0340$e22d830a@CELULAR.COM.BR>
Message-ID: <20021212111011.1a7de9bf.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:39:26 -0300
"Marcelo Assis" <sema.marcelo at telemigcelular.com.br> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 2:34 PM
> 
> 
> > I assume you are using Mailman version 2.0.x...
> 
> It's Mailman 2.1b3...
> 
> > Also, if you are using Sendmail, you should consider changing
> > your MTA over to Postfix which also makes handling virtual hosts
> > much easier.
> 
> We're using Exim v3.36...
> 
> Basically we can access everything by each virtual host name, but
> it seems that in Mailman we cannot switch wich hostname is
> included in the URLs that Mailman sends out in his email messages.
> Is that right, or should that work.
> 
> We need to support at least 4 hostnames, so changing the primary
> machine hostname is not an option.
> 
> Thanks for any input!
> 

Have you read the information in Defaults.py?  Specifically the
information relating to virtual hosts and, "You use
'add_virtualhost(urlqdn, emailfqdn)' to add new mappings."?

--
Raquel
============================================================
All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions.
  --Adlai E. Stevenson



From tcrouch at du.edu  Thu Dec 12 20:07:15 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1b5 bug?
Message-ID: <016301c2a211$af0e9f30$63e8fd82@Timslaptop>

I have created a list with 53,036 members.  The good part - it populated
in about 40 seconds.  The problem - I tried to remove_members -a and it
has been running for 5 minutes and has not removed any.  Anyone else see
this?
 
Tim Crouch
University of Denver
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From opiela at attbi.com  Thu Dec 12 20:45:00 2002
From: opiela at attbi.com (opiela at attbi.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:45:00 -0500
Subject: [Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Exim problem]
Message-ID: <3DF8E73C.DC772E12@attbi.com>

Resend in case anyone has any ideas.
Thanks

"opiela at attbi.com" wrote:
> 
> Mailman version 2.0.13
> Exim version 3.12
> Python version 2.1.3
> 
> How can I tell Mailman to use the localhost of mydomain.net instead
> of machinename.mydomain.net? I've changed the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and
> DEFAULT_URL to mydomain.net in the mm_cfg.py file, but it doesn't
> seem to have any affect.
> 
> I've also changed the "Host name this list prefers." and
> "Base URL for Mailman web interface" in the admin web page to be
> the mydomain.net, but that also seems to have no effect.
> 
> Reason I'm asking: my isp is refusing to relay outbound messages with
> the localhost set to machinename.mydomain.net. It'll work with the
> localhost set to mydomain.net.
> 
> How can I tell Mailman to use mydomain.net?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rob


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Thu Dec 12 21:05:55 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 12 Dec 2002 15:05:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] compress full mbox files?
In-Reply-To: <200212101427.gBAERn112187@f7.net>
References: <200212101427.gBAERn112187@f7.net>
Message-ID: <1039723560.6603.25.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 09:27, Karl Berry wrote:
> Back on November 18, 2001, Jackie Meese asked about gzipping the full
> mbox files in the mailman archive system:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg05253.htm
> There was no answer that I could see.
> 
> Is there an answer?  The uncompressed file is many megabytes on active
> lists.  This is not good either for disk space on the server, or for
> people who want to download it.

For a workaround that doesn't involve modifying mailman, consider 
enabling mod_gzip or similar.  This will compress it for the folks
downloading the archive, but won't help the disk space.  (And obviously
it adds server CPU cycles.)

--Jeremy



From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Thu Dec 12 21:25:02 2002
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:25:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wishlist addition
In-Reply-To: <3DF52527.2080607@aris.ss.uci.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021212201747.0380cb30@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 23:20 09/12/2002, Jeff Stern wrote:
>hi, i didn?t see this on http://mailman.sourceforge.net/todo.html but it 
>would be nice if, with mailman?s archives pages (whether organized by 
>thread, subject, or author, or date) the user were not limited to 
>searching by month only.
>
>for instance, on the mailman-based mailing list, ?gimp-user?, for the 
>gnome ?gimp? project (http://www.gimp.org), you can go to that mailing 
>list?s archives, at http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-user/ . but 
>if you want to do a search for the word, ?startup? (such as discussions on 
>the gimp startup options), you have to painstakingly click through 
>searches on **1 month at a time**. (i would use the htdig search facility 
>they added, but it is broken as of today).


I've taken a quick look at the gimp lists and they appear to be using the 
Mailman-Htdig integration patches (#444879 and #444884) posted on sourceforge.

They also appear to have an installation or setup problem as the per list 
search indexes do not appear to be being rebuilt regularly with the 
relevant cron script and the htsearch cgi program is not able to find the 
per list search config file and indexes.

Were these problems not present you would be able to search the archives as 
you wish, courtesy of Htdig.

On the assumption that they have not noticed, I've emailed the list owner 
to advise them of the problems.

>for instance, i click on ?View by Thread? under ?December 2002?. then 
>getting to that month, i hit ?Ctrl-F? in my browser to search through the 
>message subject headers for my word. not finding it, i have to back out 
>and choose november 2002. and so on, all the way back to november 1997, 
>when that list apparently started.
>
>it would be nice if i could get in a single page a listing of subject 
>headers for the full archive, from the web site, and be able to use my 
>browser?s Ctrl-F search function on that single page. i realize for some 
>lists it would be long, and with a simple warning, the user would be 
>forewarned, and could continue if she/he wanted.
>
>thanks,
>jeff stern



From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Thu Dec 12 21:45:53 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:45:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 PLS HELP!  Problems logging into mailman lists as list admin...
Message-ID: <200212122048.gBCKmit4025371@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Hi!  I hope someone can help me.

I have recently upgraded from a working Mailman 2.0.8 to version 2.0.13.    
While Mailman 2.0.8 worked great, v2.0.13 is not totally working for me.

Since the upgrade, I am having a problem with LIST ADMIN PASSWORD 
AUTHENTICATION via the web.

As a user subscribed to a list, I am able to (via the web interface) 
successfully log in with the user list password to the user list options page.

However, as the LIST ADMIN, any time I now log into the LIST ADMIN screen with 
the list admin password , I get authentication failed.

However, I CAN log into any list admin screen with the *site-wide* master 
mailman admin password.  I just cannot log into any list admin screens with 
the list-admin.

Once I get into a *list admin* screen with the *site-wide password*, if I 
change that specific list's LIST ADMIN password, and they try to login as the 
LIST ADMIN, I still get an Authentication failed error.

So, is this a bug of some sort in v 2.0.13?  I had no problems with 2.0.8.

Just a note too that I recently upgraded our Apache from 1.3.14 to 1.3.17.
Python is at 2.1   We tried Pyton 2.2.2, but we get dynlink errors (ELF) with 
2.2.2, so we dropped back to 2.1.

Again, and this is important, everything worked with mailman 2.0.8.  The 
upgrade to 2.0.13 has caused the problems with List Admin authentications via 
the web.  Site-wide mailman and user mailman password authentication works 
fine.

So, what could be happening?  Is there anyway for the site admin to see the 
list admin passwords to see what mailman thinks it has?

I considered downgrading back to Mailman 2.0.8, since that version had worked. 
 However, mailman will not let you downgrade.  When I try to re-install 2.0.8, 
it complains:

"Downgrade detected, from version 0x2000df0 to version 0x20008f0
This is probably not safe.  Exiting.".

So, I need to stay at 2.0.13.  How can I fix this "bug" with list admin 
passwords for this version?

Also, how does one change a list admin's password at the command line?  Or is 
it only possible via the web?

Thanks in advance!

Steve Rifkin 
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu



From alex.heatley004 at msd.govt.nz  Thu Dec 12 23:11:12 2002
From: alex.heatley004 at msd.govt.nz (Alex Heatley)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:11:12 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing mailman on Solaris 8
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021213110453.00a70578@ccwcs001>

Hi all,

We are attempting to install mailman on a solaris 8 box. We installed python via a package from sunfreeware.com and compiled and installed mailman from source. 

However when we try to access the admin script, we get the following error:
admin(11198): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(11198): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(11198):   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main
admin(11198):     import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi
admin(11198):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 35, in ?
admin(11198):     from StringIO import StringIO
admin(11198): ImportError: cannot import name StringIO
admin(11198): [----- Python Information -----]

which is a complete mystery to us, a web search and a search of the archives reveals that this problem has been reported before in 2001 but no solution was provided, just the question. 

Has anyone got a suggestion for how we can resolve this? What are we doing wrong?

Thanks


Alex Heatley
Unix System Administrator
Systems Management Group
Phone (+64) 4 916 3142
Fax (+64) 4 917 0050


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From kss at kldp.org  Fri Dec 13 07:22:04 2002
From: kss at kldp.org (Soon-Son Kwon)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:22:04 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove all the pending messages?
Message-ID: <20021213152203.A21605@mail.kldp.org>

Hello, I am running mailman 1.1-10 on debian potato.

My problem is...there are too many mail messages
waiting for post approval because I configured the list
as "member only" to avoid spammers sending unnecessary mails
to the list but a lot of spammers have been trying to
send spam and I didn't remove them from the admin web interface 
for some time.

Does anyone know how to get rid of these pending message quickly?
(Not by manually clicking those buttons at the list admin page.)

Thanks very much....
-- 
-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
           (o_             **WTFM**
(o_  (o_   //\
(/)_ (/)_  V_/_        http://kldp.org
-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*     


From list at randhawa.org  Fri Dec 13 08:06:18 2002
From: list at randhawa.org (Amrik Randhawa)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:06:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No messages going out under Mandrake 9 (AR_mini)
Message-ID: <3DF9166A.5469.CD6419@localhost>

Hello,

I had mailman working on my old Mandrake system but have just done a fresh install of Mandrake 9 and 
can't get it going again.

Mail comes into my system just fine for regular users, however when I mail to the list no list subscribers get 
a message and there is no error message bounced back.  Here's my mail info log line:

Dec 13 01:57:33 list postfix/smtpd[11772]: connect from unknown[000.00.0.00]
Dec 13 01:57:33 list postfix/smtpd[11772]: B809464B41: client=unknown[000.00.0.00]
Dec 13 01:57:34 list postfix/cleanup[11773]: B809464B41: message-
id=<20021213065733.88743.qmail at my.remote.com>
Dec 13 01:57:34 list postfix/nqmgr[11446]: B809464B41: from=<joe at remote.com>, size=467, nrcpt=1 
(queue active)
Dec 13 01:57:34 list postfix/smtpd[11772]: disconnect from unknown[209.68.2.48]
Dec 12 22:57:34 list postfix/local[11775]: B809464B41: to=<test2 at list.local.com>, relay=local, delay=1, 
status=sent ("|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2")


** Note that I've replaced the IP that the message came from, from a valid address to all zeros, and I've 
replaced my real server name with a fake one, sorry.

Same thing occurs when I try to send an E-mail to subscribe to the list via. test2-request address, no 
message gets sent back, however when I do it by the web-based interface I get a message just fine.

Now this all has me thinking that there is something wrong with my aliases file, here are the lines for the list:


test2:                   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2"
test2-admin:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test2"
test2-request:           "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2"
test2-owner:             test2-admin


My configuration:

Linux Mandrake 9.0
Mailman 2.0.13-3mdk
Installed mailman by RPM
MTA is Postfix

Any help would be greatly appreciated!


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Dec 13 13:05:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Dec 2002 07:05:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove all the pending messages?
In-Reply-To: <20021213152203.A21605@mail.kldp.org>
References: <20021213152203.A21605@mail.kldp.org>
Message-ID: <1039781165.5684.2.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Hmm, not sure if it will work with version 1.1 but in the 2.0.x versions
you can simply delete the held messages in the ~mailman/data/..
directory and then run the Web-admindb.  It automatically checks for new
messages and at that time discovers that the old ones have all been
deleted.

There is an FAQ about it, if you want to read futher details.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

BTW: I did the same thing once upon a time...

On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 01:22, Soon-Son Kwon wrote:
> Hello, I am running mailman 1.1-10 on debian potato.
> 
> My problem is...there are too many mail messages
> waiting for post approval because I configured the list
> as "member only" to avoid spammers sending unnecessary mails
> to the list but a lot of spammers have been trying to
> send spam and I didn't remove them from the admin web interface 
> for some time.
> 
> Does anyone know how to get rid of these pending message quickly?
> (Not by manually clicking those buttons at the list admin page.)
> 
> Thanks very much....
> -- 
> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>            (o_             **WTFM**
> (o_  (o_   //\
> (/)_ (/)_  V_/_        http://kldp.org
> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*     
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Dec 13 13:08:46 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Dec 2002 07:08:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No messages going out under Mandrake 9 (AR_mini)
In-Reply-To: <3DF9166A.5469.CD6419@localhost>
References: <3DF9166A.5469.CD6419@localhost>
Message-ID: <1039781330.5685.5.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Looks like its getting to the lists (or at least the wrapper).  What do
the Mailman logs show?  

Check out FAQ 3.14, and good Luck - Jon Carnes


On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 02:06, Amrik Randhawa wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I had mailman working on my old Mandrake system but have just done a fresh install of Mandrake 9 and 
> can't get it going again.
> 
> Mail comes into my system just fine for regular users, however when I mail to the list no list subscribers get 
> a message and there is no error message bounced back.  Here's my mail info log line:
> 
> Dec 13 01:57:33 list postfix/smtpd[11772]: connect from unknown[000.00.0.00]
> Dec 13 01:57:33 list postfix/smtpd[11772]: B809464B41: client=unknown[000.00.0.00]
> Dec 13 01:57:34 list postfix/cleanup[11773]: B809464B41: message-
> id=<20021213065733.88743.qmail at my.remote.com>
> Dec 13 01:57:34 list postfix/nqmgr[11446]: B809464B41: from=<joe at remote.com>, size=467, nrcpt=1 
> (queue active)
> Dec 13 01:57:34 list postfix/smtpd[11772]: disconnect from unknown[209.68.2.48]
> Dec 12 22:57:34 list postfix/local[11775]: B809464B41: to=<test2 at list.local.com>, relay=local, delay=1, 
> status=sent ("|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2")
> 
> 
> ** Note that I've replaced the IP that the message came from, from a valid address to all zeros, and I've 
> replaced my real server name with a fake one, sorry.
> 
> Same thing occurs when I try to send an E-mail to subscribe to the list via. test2-request address, no 
> message gets sent back, however when I do it by the web-based interface I get a message just fine.
> 
> Now this all has me thinking that there is something wrong with my aliases file, here are the lines for the list:
> 
> 
> test2:                   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2"
> test2-admin:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test2"
> test2-request:           "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test2"
> test2-owner:             test2-admin
> 
> 
> My configuration:
> 
> Linux Mandrake 9.0
> Mailman 2.0.13-3mdk
> Installed mailman by RPM
> MTA is Postfix
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From kss at kldp.org  Fri Dec 13 14:29:20 2002
From: kss at kldp.org (Soon-Son Kwon)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 22:29:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove all the pending messages?
In-Reply-To: <1039781165.5684.2.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>;
	from jonc@nc.rr.com on Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:05:57AM -0500
References: <20021213152203.A21605@mail.kldp.org>
	<1039781165.5684.2.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021213222919.A3835@mail.kldp.org>

Thanks for your reply.

But it seems that 1.1.x works differently.
There is no held messages in ~mailman/data.
I checked for the same situation in 2.0.x so
I know the filename type which should exist in that
directory for your recipe to be effective... :-(

Thanks anyway...


On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:05:57AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Hmm, not sure if it will work with version 1.1 but in the 2.0.x versions
> you can simply delete the held messages in the ~mailman/data/..
> directory and then run the Web-admindb.  It automatically checks for new
> messages and at that time discovers that the old ones have all been
> deleted.
> 
> There is an FAQ about it, if you want to read futher details.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> BTW: I did the same thing once upon a time...
> 
> On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 01:22, Soon-Son Kwon wrote:
> > Hello, I am running mailman 1.1-10 on debian potato.
> > 
> > My problem is...there are too many mail messages
> > waiting for post approval because I configured the list
> > as "member only" to avoid spammers sending unnecessary mails
> > to the list but a lot of spammers have been trying to
> > send spam and I didn't remove them from the admin web interface 
> > for some time.
> > 
> > Does anyone know how to get rid of these pending message quickly?
> > (Not by manually clicking those buttons at the list admin page.)
> > 
> > Thanks very much....
> > -- 
> > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
> >            (o_             **WTFM**
> > (o_  (o_   //\
> > (/)_ (/)_  V_/_        http://kldp.org
> > -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*     
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > 
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> 
> 

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From delilah at seyyav.pair.com  Fri Dec 13 14:58:25 2002
From: delilah at seyyav.pair.com (sean pambianco)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:58:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] log message
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0212130854180.33603-100000@seyyav.pair.com>

What does this log messages mean:

Dec 11 09:04:04 2002 (82700) Photonians post from XXXXXXXX at cusat.ac.in
held: Message has implicit destination
Dec 12 00:24:00 2002 (96856) Photonians post from XXXXXXXX at cusat.ac.in
held: Message has implicit destination
        From: XXXXXXXXX at cusat.ac.in

I X'd out the first part of the address.  I'm just not sure what the
message means. The address is subscribed to the list and members can post
to the list without admin approval but the post is being held for
approval.

Thanks,
Sean



From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Fri Dec 13 15:08:41 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:08:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] log message
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0212130854180.33603-100000@seyyav.pair.com>;
	from delilah@seyyav.pair.com on Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:58:25AM -0500
References: <Pine.BSF.4.44.0212130854180.33603-100000@seyyav.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20021213090841.A15650@dogpound.vnet.net>

* sean pambianco (delilah at seyyav.pair.com) wrote:
> What does this log messages mean:
> 
> Dec 11 09:04:04 2002 (82700) Photonians post from XXXXXXXX at cusat.ac.in
> held: Message has implicit destination
> Dec 12 00:24:00 2002 (96856) Photonians post from XXXXXXXX at cusat.ac.in
> held: Message has implicit destination
>         From: XXXXXXXXX at cusat.ac.in

Looks like you have require_explicit_destination turned on and the message is getting trapped by that.

(From the help)

require_explicit_destination (privacy): Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)?

Many (in fact, most) spams do not explicitly name their myriad destinations in the explicit destination addresses - in fact, often the to field has a totally bogus address for obfuscation. The constraint applies only to the stuff in the address before the '@' sign, but still catches all such spams.

The cost is that the list will not accept unhindered any postings relayed from other addresses, unless

   1. The relaying address has the same name, or
   2. The relaying address name is included on the options that specifies acceptable aliases for the list. 

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| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Friday, December 13, 2002 / 09:06AM      |
----------------------------------------------
How many rednecks does it take eat a 'possum? Two. One to eat, and one to watch out for traffic.


From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Fri Dec 13 16:44:24 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:44:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error:
	python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
Message-ID: <200212131547.gBDFlFt4003168@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

For that specific problem, we re-installed the previous version (2.1) of python, 
and we do not get errors.  Installing python 2.2 yields us the error.  It's 
pretty consistant in terms of when we put on 2.2, we get the error, but when we 
put back 2.1, we're fine.  So, we're at 2.1 and most things are working... 
except for the list admin passwd authentication problem that I have submitted in 
a different e-mail.

Steve

> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 23:34:00 -0500
> To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error: 
python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
> From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
> X-Attribution: BAW
> X-Oblique-Strategy: Short circuit
> X-Url: http://barry.wooz.org
> 
> >>>>> "SR" == Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu> writes:
> 
>     SR> Anyone familiar with the error (we're running python 2.2.2 and
>     SR> mailman 2.08):
> 
>     SR> admin(7162): ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python:
>     SR> fatal: /usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad
>     SR> ELF flags value: 256
> 
> This can only mean that your Python installation is messed up.
> 
> -Barry


Steve Rifkin - JHU CS Dept Sr. Unix Systems Administrator
               Technical Director
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
410-516-6281





From barry at python.org  Fri Dec 13 16:57:11 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:57:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error:
	python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
References: <200212131547.gBDFlFt4003168@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <15866.855.565093.396783@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "SR" == Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu> writes:

    SR> For that specific problem, we re-installed the previous
    SR> version (2.1) of python, and we do not get errors.  Installing
    SR> python 2.2 yields us the error.  It's pretty consistant in
    SR> terms of when we put on 2.2, we get the error, but when we put
    SR> back 2.1, we're fine.  So, we're at 2.1 and most things are
    SR> working... except for the list admin passwd authentication
    SR> problem that I have submitted in a different e-mail.

That's very strange, especially since when you say "Python 2.2" I
think you really mean Python 2.2.2.  Not sure which micro release
Python 2.1 is.  While it /shouldn't/ matter, Python 2.2.2 and Python
2.1.3 are recommended.

FTR, I run MM2.1cvs off of Python 2.1.3 on python.org (some mysterious
Linux distro) and Python 2.2.2 (RH7.3) on my personal domains.  I
haven't seen any problems, but that doesn't mean there aren't Python
issues on your particular platforms.

-Barry


From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Fri Dec 13 17:09:33 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:09:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error:
	python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
Message-ID: <200212131612.gBDGCPt4004943@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

root at sun(~)> python -V
Python 2.1
root at sun(~)> 

As you can see, the version of python is 2.1, and yes, the version we tried, but 
got the error with, was 2.2.2. 

>From the 2.1 README file:

==========================================

This is Python version 2.1
==========================

Copyright (c) 2001 Python Software Foundation.
All rights reserved.

Copyright (c) 2000 BeOpen.com.
All rights reserved.

Copyright (c) 1995-2001 Corporation for National Research Initiatives.
All rights reserved.

Copyright (c) 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum.
All rights reserved.

==============================



> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:57:11 -0500
> To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error: 
python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
> From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
> X-Attribution: BAW
> X-Oblique-Strategy: (Organic) machinery
> X-Url: http://barry.wooz.org
> 
> 
> >>>>> "SR" == Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu> writes:
> 
>     SR> For that specific problem, we re-installed the previous
>     SR> version (2.1) of python, and we do not get errors.  Installing
>     SR> python 2.2 yields us the error.  It's pretty consistant in
>     SR> terms of when we put on 2.2, we get the error, but when we put
>     SR> back 2.1, we're fine.  So, we're at 2.1 and most things are
>     SR> working... except for the list admin passwd authentication
>     SR> problem that I have submitted in a different e-mail.
> 
> That's very strange, especially since when you say "Python 2.2" I
> think you really mean Python 2.2.2.  Not sure which micro release
> Python 2.1 is.  While it /shouldn't/ matter, Python 2.2.2 and Python
> 2.1.3 are recommended.
> 
> FTR, I run MM2.1cvs off of Python 2.1.3 on python.org (some mysterious
> Linux distro) and Python 2.2.2 (RH7.3) on my personal domains.  I
> haven't seen any problems, but that doesn't mean there aren't Python
> issues on your particular platforms.
> 
> -Barry



From raquel at thericehouse.net  Fri Dec 13 17:24:17 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:24:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!  Getting different Import Error:
	python2.2/lib-dynload/_socket.so: bad ELF flags value: 256
In-Reply-To: <200212131612.gBDGCPt4004943@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
References: <200212131612.gBDGCPt4004943@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <20021213082417.6eb6d543.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:09:33 -0500 (EST)
Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu> wrote:

> root at sun(~)> python -V
> Python 2.1
> root at sun(~)> 
> 

It probably really doesn't matter, but I have Mailman running on
Python 2.2.1

--
Raquel
============================================================
Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse
to see it tried on him personally.
  --Abraham Lincoln



From bestb at sympatico.ca  Fri Dec 13 17:37:06 2002
From: bestb at sympatico.ca (Bruce)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:37:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wildcard additions to allow posting?
Message-ID: <16049.209.47.20.140.1039797426.squirrel@rectory.pointclark.net>

Our organization recently changed its email addresses from
user at oldname.net to user at newname.net. We have a number of mailman
mailing lists, and have moved the subscriptions from oldname.net to
newname.net.

For reasons I am not quite sure, many users emails are still identified
as coming from user at oldname.net. As we have posting restricted to list
members, these posts get held for approval.

To deal with this at the moment, is it possible to put in the
"additional posters" field (the field in the privacy configuration after
"member_posting_only" that doesn't seem to have a name) a wildcard or
regexp to allow anyone from @oldname.net to post to the list?? Or do I
need to resubscribe all the old email addresses??

Thanks,

Bruce





From davidgordon at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 13 17:46:34 2002
From: davidgordon at ntlworld.com (David Gordon)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:46:34 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digests (& this list)
Message-ID: <20021213164634.6332@smtp.ntlworld.com>

I've just set my options for this list to receive the digest. The digest
which arrived is not formatted in the same way as the digest on the list
I administer. There are no headers or footers between the messages
breaking them up and making them easier to read.

This may be a difference between my 2.0.13 list and this running 2.1. Or
it could be to do with MIME which I set to receive because it was advised.

Whichever I'd like to know so I can advise my subscribers when we change
to 2.1. I'd also like to know why MIME is advised and if that advice can
be altered in 2.1

Thanks

-- 
David Gordon





From gary8smith at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 13 18:25:50 2002
From: gary8smith at hotmail.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:25:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Message-ID: <F55rkDHbDsCkINen6Ps000285a4@hotmail.com>

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From epremus at mystrotv.com  Fri Dec 13 22:37:31 2002
From: epremus at mystrotv.com (Ed Premus)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 14:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Public Domain
Message-ID: <003a01c2a2ef$d7d1ce90$420e8f0a@MYSTRO.mystrotv.com>

I installed mailman 2.0.13-3 as part of the install on RH 8.0. The MTA
is local.
When I create a mailing list it does not show up as a publicly
advertised mailing list for the domain. How do I set it to default to a
publicly advertised mailing list.
These are the only configuration settings.
httpd-mailman-conf.conf 
RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$
http://MAIL-PRI.MYSTROTV.COM/mailman/listinfo
mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'MAIL-PRI.MYSTROTV.COM'
Thanks,
Ed
"The box said to install NT4.0 or better, so I installed Linux"

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Dec 13 22:58:52 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
In-Reply-To: <F55rkDHbDsCkINen6Ps000285a4@hotmail.com>
References: <F55rkDHbDsCkINen6Ps000285a4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1039816736.1630.30.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
admin):

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp

On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
Hi.
 
How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
'send me my password button'?
 
Thanks,
 
Gary Smith

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From epremus at mystrotv.com  Sat Dec 14 01:44:01 2002
From: epremus at mystrotv.com (Ed Premus)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:44:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Public Domain
In-Reply-To: <003a01c2a2ef$d7d1ce90$420e8f0a@MYSTRO.mystrotv.com>
Message-ID: <004d01c2a309$e55aee10$420e8f0a@MYSTRO.mystrotv.com>

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+epremus=mystrotv.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+epremus=mystrotv.com at python.org] On Behalf
Of Ed Premus
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:38 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Public Domain
 
I installed mailman 2.0.13-3 as part of the install on RH 8.0. The
sendmailMTA is local.
When I create a mailing list it does not show up as a publicly
advertised mailing list for the domain. How do I set it to default to a
publicly advertised mailing list. I can do a /"mail list name" and it
works fine. It appears in the administrative mail list section. If I do
it from the machine it comes up in both.?????
These are the only configuration settings.
httpd-mailman-conf.conf 
RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$
<http://MAIL-PRI.MYSTROTV.COM/mailman/listinfo>
http://MAIL-PRI.MYSTROTV.COM/mailman/listinfo
mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'MAIL-PRI.MYSTROTV.COM'
Thanks,
Ed
"The box said to install NT4.0 or better, so I installed Linux"
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From rachel at grapevinewebdesigns.co.nz  Sat Dec 14 06:23:16 2002
From: rachel at grapevinewebdesigns.co.nz (GRAPEVINE WEBDESIGNS)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 18:23:16 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!!
Message-ID: <002301c2a330$e9026080$5d00a8c0@xphomepc>

Hi Everyone,
I have just installed the newsletter, but what code do I use to attach this to a "Subscribe to Newsletter" button, that I have designed for a website??

Thanks
Rachel

www.grapevinewebdesigns.co.nz
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From tehlers at freenet.de  Sat Dec 14 19:55:55 2002
From: tehlers at freenet.de (Torsten Ehlers)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:55:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail sent to other domains
Message-ID: <3DFB7EBB.5020408@freenet.de>

Hi,

I've installed Mailman 2.0.13 from source under Debian Linux 3.0 (MTA is
qmail) and everything seemed to be working fine as long as I only tested
it with local mail addresses (i.e. addresses from the same domain that
mailman is working in). Subscribing, configuring (via Web and mail) and
sending mails works.
But then, subscribing mail addresses from other domains (I tried
different domains) doesn't work at all. When I subscribe such an address
this address never receives a message (not even the first welcome
message). But the welcome messages get logged in mailman's ./logs/bounce
file and the subscribes are marked as "pending" in ./logs/subscribe. I
have no idea why those messages get bounced, though. I couldn't find
anything in the FAQ or Documentation either. Can anyone help me? Thanks
a lot!

Torsten




From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Sat Dec 14 20:24:35 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:24:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Message-ID: <200212141927.gBEJRStD024981@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the 
config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given 
list?  I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked like 
the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.

A (bogus) example of this:  Here are what looks like the admin lines from the 
config.db dump:

 'owner': ['testlistadmin at cs.jhu.edu'],
    'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
    'passwords': {user1 at jhu.edu': 'sdjlkl',
                     'user2 at jhu.edu': 'nasdat',
                     'user3 at jhu.edu': 'kljlkd',
                     'user4 at jhu.edu': 'jsdafk',
},

So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not listed 
in plain text as to what the password is.

How do we get that password?  If I had that info, I could check to see why we 
are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user 
(subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password.  (for mm 2.0.13)

Thanks!

Steve
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu



> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
> From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: Gary Smith <gary8smith at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> 
> The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
> easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
> admin):
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp
> 
> On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
> Hi.
>  
> How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
> 'send me my password button'?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Gary Smith



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec 15 02:13:41 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:13:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!!
In-Reply-To: <002301c2a330$e9026080$5d00a8c0@xphomepc>
References: <002301c2a330$e9026080$5d00a8c0@xphomepc>
Message-ID: <1039914826.1614.7.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Have a form on the website that accepts a person's email address as the
input and then mails to <listname>-request at dom.ain and has the subject
"subscribe <email at add.ress>

They will get a confirmation email (if your list is setup via the
defaults).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 00:23, GRAPEVINE WEBDESIGNS wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> I have just installed the newsletter, but what code do I use to attach this to a "Subscribe to Newsletter" button, that I have designed for a website??
> 
> Thanks
> Rachel
> 
> www.grapevinewebdesigns.co.nz
> ----
> 

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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec 15 02:17:09 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:17:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No mail sent to other domains
In-Reply-To: <3DFB7EBB.5020408@freenet.de>
References: <3DFB7EBB.5020408@freenet.de>
Message-ID: <1039915046.1633.11.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This is indicative of a relay problem on your MTA.  Make sure that
"localhost" or the equivalent is allowed to relay.  Not sure exactly how
qmail works (don't like it), so you may need to add the hostname used by
Mailman (or ip addresses) to allow it to relay properly.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 13:55, Torsten Ehlers wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've installed Mailman 2.0.13 from source under Debian Linux 3.0 (MTA is
> qmail) and everything seemed to be working fine as long as I only tested
> it with local mail addresses (i.e. addresses from the same domain that
> mailman is working in). Subscribing, configuring (via Web and mail) and
> sending mails works.
> But then, subscribing mail addresses from other domains (I tried
> different domains) doesn't work at all. When I subscribe such an address
> this address never receives a message (not even the first welcome
> message). But the welcome messages get logged in mailman's ./logs/bounce
> file and the subscribes are marked as "pending" in ./logs/subscribe. I
> have no idea why those messages get bounced, though. I couldn't find
> anything in the FAQ or Documentation either. Can anyone help me? Thanks
> a lot!
> 
> Torsten
> 
> 
> 
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec 15 02:36:07 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
In-Reply-To: <200212141927.gBEJRStD024981@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
References: <200212141927.gBEJRStD024981@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <1039916172.1614.22.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
easily figure this part out.

In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
to be that the encryption has changed.  Normally resetting the password
via the web-admin works.  I don't know why it's not working in your case
- unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.

You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
changed.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the 
> config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given 
> list?  I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked like 
> the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.
> 
> A (bogus) example of this:  Here are what looks like the admin lines from the 
> config.db dump:
> 
>  'owner': ['testlistadmin at cs.jhu.edu'],
>     'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
>     'passwords': {user1 at jhu.edu': 'sdjlkl',
>                      'user2 at jhu.edu': 'nasdat',
>                      'user3 at jhu.edu': 'kljlkd',
>                      'user4 at jhu.edu': 'jsdafk',
> },
> 
> So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not listed 
> in plain text as to what the password is.
> 
> How do we get that password?  If I had that info, I could check to see why we 
> are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user 
> (subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password.  (for mm 2.0.13)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve
> steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> 
> 
> 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
> > From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > To: Gary Smith <gary8smith at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> > 
> > The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
> > easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
> > admin):
> > 
> > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp
> > 
> > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
> > Hi.
> >  
> > How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
> > 'send me my password button'?
> >  
> > Thanks,
> >  
> > Gary Smith
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Dec 15 17:37:45 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 15 Dec 2002 11:37:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Troubleshooting: No messages going out under
	Mandrake 9 (AR_mini)
In-Reply-To: <3DFBA421.11522.EDD14A@localhost>
References: <3DF99412.24377.D86726@localhost> 
	<3DFBA421.11522.EDD14A@localhost>
Message-ID: <1039970269.5396.37.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Hmmm... Try this: create a test email message in a text file and pipe it
to wrapper to see what happens.

=== TestMessage.txt === 
Received: from localhost by Bogus; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:10:09-0500
From: jonc at nc.rr.com
To: test2 at list.local.com
Date: 15 Dec 2002 11:10:09-0500
Subject: Manual feed of email into list

This is my test email's body
=== End of TestMessage.txt ===

Save this to a local text file, replace the "test2 at list.local.com" with
your lists email address and then:

  su mailman
  cat TestMessage.txt | /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2

If that works then there should be some files in ~mailman/qfiles/.. (or
if the message is waiting for moderation in ~mailman/data/..).  The
Mailman logs should also have a record of the message being posted.

If the message doesn't go out, and no logs are changed, and there are no
waiting files that were created, then I suspect that you should start
from ground zero.  Re-install Python and Python-dev on your box then
re-install Mailman.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes.

On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 00:35, Amrik Randhawa wrote:
> Hi, thanks I already went through that before I posted to the list, still no 
> luck  :-(
> 
> Any other possible suggestions?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> On 13 Dec 2002 at 16:54, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > Hmmm, you should run through the steps in the FAQ 3.14 and see what
> > turns up!
> > 
> > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 11:02, Amrik Randhawa wrote:
> > > Oops, sorry, found them!  I just tried to subscribe to the list again by
> > > E-mail, however the mailman logs don't change at all.  They only change when
> > > I use the web-based subscription.  Also when I try to post to the list
> > > nothing changes in the mailman logs (none of the logs change -- I've
> > > verified bounce, error, post, smtp, subscribe).  Thanks again for your help!
> > > 
> > > /AR
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 13 Dec 2002 at 7:08, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Looks like its getting to the lists (or at least the wrapper).  What
> > > > do the Mailman logs show?  
> > > > 
> > > > Check out FAQ 3.14, and good Luck - Jon Carnes
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 02:06, Amrik Randhawa wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I had mailman working on my old Mandrake system but have just done a
> > > > > fresh install of Mandrake 9 and can't get it going again.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mail comes into my system just fine for regular users, however when I
> > > > > mail to the list no list subscribers get a message and there is no error
> > > > > message bounced back.  Here's my mail info log line:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dec 13 01:57:33 list postfix/smtpd[11772]: connect from
> > > > > unknown[000.00.0.00] Dec 13 01:57:33 list postfix/smtpd[11772]:
> > > > > B809464B41: client=unknown[000.00.0.00] Dec 13 01:57:34 list
> > > > > postfix/cleanup[11773]: B809464B41: message-
> > > > > id=<20021213065733.88743.qmail at my.remote.com> Dec 13 01:57:34 list
> > > > > postfix/nqmgr[11446]: B809464B41: from=<joe at remote.com>, size=467,
> > > > > nrcpt=1 (queue active) Dec 13 01:57:34 list postfix/smtpd[11772]:
> > > > > disconnect from unknown[209.68.2.48] Dec 12 22:57:34 list
> > > > > postfix/local[11775]: B809464B41: to=<test2 at list.local.com>,
> > > > > relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper
> > > > > post test2")
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ** Note that I've replaced the IP that the message came from, from a
> > > > > valid address to all zeros, and I've replaced my real server name with a
> > > > > fake one, sorry.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Same thing occurs when I try to send an E-mail to subscribe to the
> > > > > list via. test2-request address, no message gets sent back, however when
> > > > > I do it by the web-based interface I get a message just fine.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now this all has me thinking that there is something wrong with my
> > > > > aliases file, here are the lines for the list:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > test2:                   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post test2"
> > > > > test2-admin:             "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
> > > > > test2" test2-request:           "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
> > > > > test2" test2-owner:             test2-admin
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > My configuration:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Linux Mandrake 9.0
> > > > > Mailman 2.0.13-3mdk
> > > > > Installed mailman by RPM
> > > > > MTA is Postfix
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> > > > > 
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > > > Searchable Archives:
> > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > > > 
> > > > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.co m
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Amrik Randhawa <amrik at randhawa.org>
> PGP Key ID:  0x93657898
> 
> 
> 




From h.huelsebusch at nwn.de  Sun Dec 15 21:55:40 2002
From: h.huelsebusch at nwn.de (Henning =?iso-8859-15?q?H=FClsebusch?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:55:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating 1.x -> 2.0.13
Message-ID: <200212152155.40610.h.huelsebusch@nwn.de>

Hi,

on an old server, theres workin an old mailman 1.x (?). Because I want to cut 
this server off, I want to backup the lists with its members, passwords an so 
on.

On a new RedHat 8 server, theres workin the latest 2.0.13 mailman fine. Now, I 
want to import the lists from my old server. Simply copiing the 
lists-directory from the old into the new lists-directory doesn't work ;-)

Can s.o. tell me step-by-step, what to do ?

Thanks !

Henning



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec 16 02:08:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:08:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating 1.x -> 2.0.13
References: <200212152155.40610.h.huelsebusch@nwn.de>
Message-ID: <001501c2a49f$a29f4f20$1401a8c0@anncons>

Your best bet is to use the admin tools and dump out the database to text -
or at least the members.  You might want to go through the web admin and
mark the users that are nomail or digest only.  The simply recreate the list
in 2.0.13 and import the users using the user_add command line option (and
telling it not to send out welcome messages).

You'll need to let the users know what is going on just in case they see
some weirdness.

Good Luck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Henning H?lsebusch" <h.huelsebusch at nwn.de>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Updating 1.x -> 2.0.13


Hi,

on an old server, theres workin an old mailman 1.x (?). Because I want to
cut
this server off, I want to backup the lists with its members, passwords an
so
on.

On a new RedHat 8 server, theres workin the latest 2.0.13 mailman fine. Now,
I
want to import the lists from my old server. Simply copiing the
lists-directory from the old into the new lists-directory doesn't work ;-)

Can s.o. tell me step-by-step, what to do ?

Thanks !

Henning


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From jharasty at pobox.com  Mon Dec 16 04:56:23 2002
From: jharasty at pobox.com (Jerry Harasty)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I modify the text of confirm and welcome
	messages.
Message-ID: <001f01c2a4b7$19cf9480$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com>

I'd like to send edited (simpler) versions of the standard messages
currently sent out by Mailman to request confirmation and to welcome
confirmed new list subscribers. How can I edit the text? I'd like a feature
much like I can edit the HTML on the listinfo page.

Jerry Harasty



From peo at intersonic.se  Mon Dec 16 10:30:41 2002
From: peo at intersonic.se (Per olof Ljungmark)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:30:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin login fails 2.1b5 swedish
Message-ID: <3DFD9D41.8030005@intersonic.se>

Hi,

Have two lists, one in the english language, one swedish.

Admin login to the swedish list fails constantly whereas the english 
works fine.
The login page looks quite weird as well, it says:

  %(message)s
%(listname)s %(who)s Innlogging
Listan %(who)s l?senord:

Seems to be a localization problem here.

/per olof



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Dec 16 10:57:55 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 10:57:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create Mailing lists?...
In-Reply-To: Jaime Gonzalez's message of "Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:27:15 -0800
	(PST)"
References: <20021122182715.61410.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <m3d6o2b80s.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Jaime Gonzalez <jgon7 at yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi My name is Jaime and I'd like to create additional mailing
> lists?.. I have a server with RedHat7.2 installed... Where can I
> found information about it?...  Thank you in advance.

/usr/doc/mailman ?
<http://www.list.org/>
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py/>


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Dec 16 10:59:04 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 10:59:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Create NewList?
In-Reply-To: "karma"'s message of "Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:55:14 +0600"
References: <00fb01c29083$4f5a03d0$9700a8c0@dit.gov.bt>
Message-ID: <m38yyqb7yv.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"karma" <karma at dit.gov.bt> writes:

> How can I create additional mailing lists? 

Login as user mailman

$ newlist


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Dec 16 11:02:22 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 11:02:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a read only list
In-Reply-To: "Chris Ricard"'s message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:59:57 -0800"
References: <005701c295da$37902d40$4011b38e@workstat>
Message-ID: <m34r9eb7td.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Chris Ricard" <chris at theweb-factory.com> writes:

> Great program, I'm looking for something to communicate with my customers
> like a list management program, rather than a list where everyone can post.
> Your list "mailman announce" is a read only, but I couldn't find the read
> only option in the program. Checked out the FAQ and searchable archive and
> nothing came up.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Dec 16 11:06:58 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 11:06:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail address change?
In-Reply-To: Jacek Wojaczynski's message of "Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:55:15 +0100"
References: <20021120155514.GD25343@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <m3znr69t19.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Jacek Wojaczynski <kocurek at kocurek.eu.org> writes:

> How can I change e-mail address of a user subscribed to some
> mailing list?
> 
> Do I have to unsubscribe user and subsribe him/her again?

Right.

> Then he/she would see the "good-bye message" and again
> "welcome-message". I'd like to do it more silently :-)

Membership Management Section

...
...

1. Send Welcome message to this batch?  x no  yes 


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Dec 16 11:10:42 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 11:10:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] headings with logo
In-Reply-To: Erich Neuwirth's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2002 19:44:07 +0100"
References: <3DE3C0F7.4080706@univie.ac.at>
Message-ID: <m3vg1u9sv1.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Erich Neuwirth <erich.neuwirth at univie.ac.at> writes:

> is it possible to modify the header section of all
> the web interface pages
> to include a site specific logo?

Mailman is Open Source Software. You can change what ever you want.


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Dec 16 11:14:44 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 11:14:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help unsubscribing members
In-Reply-To: "fish"'s message of "Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:31:47 -0600"
References: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAKEHGDGAA.fish@livingsky.net>
Message-ID: <m3r8ci9sob.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"fish" <fish at livingsky.net> writes:

> list. I notice that they, and others that mailman says are not members all
> have their address with a colon after (eg foo at bar.com : )on the memberlist
> page.

Try

remove_members "broken_address :" or
remove_members broken_address\ \:


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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Dec 16 11:16:43 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 11:16:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I modify the text of confirm and welcome
	messages.
In-Reply-To: "Jerry Harasty"'s message of "Sun, 15 Dec 2002 22:56:23 -0500"
References: <001f01c2a4b7$19cf9480$6401a8c0@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <m3n0n69sl0.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

"Jerry Harasty" <jharasty at pobox.com> writes:

> I'd like to send edited (simpler) versions of the standard messages
> currently sent out by Mailman to request confirmation and to welcome
> confirmed new list subscribers. How can I edit the text? I'd like a feature
> much like I can edit the HTML on the listinfo page.

Take a look at $MAILMANHOME/templates/


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From aitrus at tresgeek.net  Mon Dec 16 17:45:30 2002
From: aitrus at tresgeek.net (Jason Bradley Nance)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 10:45:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists not found after upgrade
Message-ID: <1040057136.1782.10.camel@gir.tresgeek.net>

Hello everyone.
  I'm attempting to upgrade from 2.0.8 to 2.0.13.  I run the configure
script with the same values as I did in 2.0.8 (all default and
specifying mail and cgi gids), run make, make update, make install, but
my lists are not found.

At the end of the make install, I see this:

Upgrading from version 0x0 to 0x2000df0
no lists == nothing to do, exiting

I tried running the update script in /home/mailman/bin, but it just
exits with no output.  list_lists doesn't show any lists, and check_db
says that /home/mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db[.list] are missing.

Has there been a structural change that wasn't documented? 
/var/mailman/lists seems to be where the lists live, yet there is a
/home/mailman/lists that is empty.  Does 2.0.13 use /var/mailman at all?

Thanks for any help you can offer.

j


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From jchum at aismedia.com  Mon Dec 16 18:17:32 2002
From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:17:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?
Message-ID: <00e301c2a527$05e449f0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>

I'm trying to unsubscribe a user from a list of 70,000 and so I'm going to
the listinfo URL of this list, and attempting to unsubscribe an email. The
page loads just fine, however, when I hit the "Edit Options" button, it's
taking forever to load. It's sooo long that the browser simply expires.

If I'm performing this task for another list which is 39,000 in size, it
does it just fine.

The load on theserver is:

last pid: 88090;  load averages:  0.10,  0.04,  0.01
up 5+19:13:10  12:18:34
35 processes:  2 running, 33 sleeping
CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100%
idle
Mem: 27M Active, 3276K Inact, 39M Wired, 22M Buf, 52M Free
Swap: 512M Total, 32M Used, 480M Free, 6% Inuse

Any ideas?

Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

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From jchum at aismedia.com  Mon Dec 16 18:24:50 2002
From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:24:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?
In-Reply-To: <00e301c2a527$05e449f0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
Message-ID: <00e401c2a528$0a4082b0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>

If this is any help, here's a copy of the processes currently running:

custsvr1# ps -auxww
USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED      TIME COMMAND
root     88260  0.0  0.2   436  216  p0  R+   12:25PM   0:00.00 ps -auxww
root         1  0.0  0.0   552    0  ??  ILs  Tue12PM   0:00.62
/sbin/init --
root         2  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   1:53.85
(pagedaemon)
root         3  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:08.29  (vmdaemon)
root         4  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:03.10  (bufdaemon)
root         5  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:03.56  (vnlru)
root         6  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   1:58.70  (syncer)
root        29  0.0  0.0   208    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00 adjkerntz -i
root        72  0.0  0.2   964  212  ??  Ss   Tue05PM   0:21.00
/usr/sbin/syslogd -s
root        79  0.0  0.0  1072    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00
/usr/sbin/inetd -wW
root        81  0.0  0.1  1004  160  ??  Is   Tue05PM   0:05.68
/usr/sbin/cron
root        83  0.0  0.0  2096    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00
/usr/sbin/sshd
root        85  0.0  0.3  2512  316  ??  Ss   Tue05PM   0:16.97 sendmail:
accepting connections (sendmail)
root       118  0.0  0.0   644    0 con- IW   -         0:00.00 /bin/sh
/usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql
root       143  0.0  0.0   948    0  v0  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv0
root       144  0.0  0.0   948    0  v1  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv1
root       145  0.0  0.0   948    0  v2  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv2
root       146  0.0  0.0   948    0  v3  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv3
root       147  0.0  0.0   948    0  v4  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv4
root       148  0.0  0.0   948    0  v5  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv5
root       149  0.0  0.0   948    0  v6  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv6
root       150  0.0  0.0   948    0  v7  IWs+ -         0:00.00
/usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv7
mysql    20199  0.0  0.2 27064  192  ??  S    Sat03AM   0:09.88
/usr/local/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/usr/local --datadir=/var/db/mysql --use
r=mysql --pid-file=/var/db/mysql/custsvr1.pid
root     73116  0.0  0.1  2140  156  ??  Ss   11:24PM   0:00.96
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73129  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73130  0.0  0.0  2224    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73131  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73132  0.0  0.0  2224    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73133  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73134  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73881  0.0  0.5  2216  620  ??  I    12:01AM   0:00.13
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73979  0.0  0.5  2216  564  ??  I    12:06AM   0:00.12
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      73981  0.0  0.0  2216    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
www      83802  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
/usr/local/sbin/httpd
root     87720  0.0  0.1  1004   84  ??  I    12:00PM   0:00.00 cron:
running job (cron)
mailman  87728  0.0  0.0   628    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00 /bin/sh -c
/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
mailman  87736  0.0  0.9 26316 1068  ??  S    12:00PM   0:01.46
/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
root     87974  0.0  0.0  4876    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00 sshd:
gashalot [priv] (sshd)
gashalot 87976  0.0  0.3  4880  312  ??  S    12:12PM   0:00.15 sshd:
gashalot at ttyp0 (sshd)
gashalot 87977  0.0  0.0   636    0  p0  IWs  -         0:00.00 -sh (sh)
root     88173  0.0  0.5  1356  580  p0  S    12:22PM   0:00.03 _su (csh)
www      88179  0.0  1.5 26428 1840  ??  S    12:22PM   0:00.95
/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
www      88211  0.0 15.3 26428 19320  ??  S    12:23PM   0:00.93
/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
root         0  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DLs  Tue12PM   0:00.43  (swapper)


Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org]On Behalf Of
Jonathan Chum
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:18 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?


I'm trying to unsubscribe a user from a list of 70,000 and so I'm going to
the listinfo URL of this list, and attempting to unsubscribe an email. The
page loads just fine, however, when I hit the "Edit Options" button, it's
taking forever to load. It's sooo long that the browser simply expires.

If I'm performing this task for another list which is 39,000 in size, it
does it just fine.

The load on theserver is:

last pid: 88090;  load averages:  0.10,  0.04,  0.01
up 5+19:13:10  12:18:34
35 processes:  2 running, 33 sleeping
CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100%
idle
Mem: 27M Active, 3276K Inact, 39M Wired, 22M Buf, 52M Free
Swap: 512M Total, 32M Used, 480M Free, 6% Inuse

Any ideas?

Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

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From levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US  Mon Dec 16 18:18:51 2002
From: levinej at SLS.LIB.IL.US (Levine, Jenny)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:18:51 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I modify the text of confirm and
	welcomemessages.
Message-ID: <C302072DA43CFA439B531B7E75278A81059FF1@exchange.lan.sls.lib.il.us>

> > I'd like to send edited (simpler) versions of the standard messages
> > currently sent out by Mailman to request confirmation and to welcome
> > confirmed new list subscribers. How can I edit the text? 
> I'd like a feature
> > much like I can edit the HTML on the listinfo page.
> 
> Take a look at $MAILMANHOME/templates/

	Is there a way to do this on a list-by-list basis? It looks to me like I can only do this globally in the templates directory. TIA,

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Jenny Levine
Internet Development Specialist
Suburban Library System
125 Tower Dr., Burr Ridge, IL  60527
http://www.sls.lib.il.us/
levinej at sls.lib.il.us
+1 (630) 734 5141
 


From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Dec 16 18:45:41 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 12:45:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists not found after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1040057136.1782.10.camel@gir.tresgeek.net>
References: <1040057136.1782.10.camel@gir.tresgeek.net>
Message-ID: <1040060746.21705.32.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 11:45, Jason Bradley Nance wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>   I'm attempting to upgrade from 2.0.8 to 2.0.13.  I run the configure
> script with the same values as I did in 2.0.8 (all default and
> specifying mail and cgi gids), run make, make update, make install, but
> my lists are not found.
> 
> At the end of the make install, I see this:
> 
> Upgrading from version 0x0 to 0x2000df0
> no lists == nothing to do, exiting
> 
> I tried running the update script in /home/mailman/bin, but it just
> exits with no output.  list_lists doesn't show any lists, and check_db
> says that /home/mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db[.list] are missing.
> 
> Has there been a structural change that wasn't documented? 
> /var/mailman/lists seems to be where the lists live, yet there is a
> /home/mailman/lists that is empty.  Does 2.0.13 use /var/mailman at all?
> 
> Thanks for any help you can offer.

Sounds like you didn't use the same --prefix argument to ./configure .
The install location is completely customizable as with most GNU
programs.  With mailman 2.0.8, were you using a distribution-supplied
version (ie Red Hat)?  If so, you should probably do one of two things:
	1)  Upgrade to the distribution-supplied package of mailman 2.0.13   
-or-
	2)  Set the --prefix=/var/mailman when you ./configure the .tar.gz
version of mailman that you're running

I can't vouch that 2) will work without knowing for sure how your
mailman 2.0.8 was set up, however.  The Linux distributor may have made
other file location changes that won't take well to being overwritten.

--Jeremy



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec 16 19:03:40 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 13:03:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I modify the text of confirm and
	welcomemessages.
In-Reply-To: 
	<C302072DA43CFA439B531B7E75278A81059FF1@exchange.lan.sls.lib.il.us>
References: 
	<C302072DA43CFA439B531B7E75278A81059FF1@exchange.lan.sls.lib.il.us>
Message-ID: <1040061823.1617.52.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Upgrade to the latest beta. It allows more per list configuration than
the 2.0.13 version.  

You can also tweak the source and have it use per list files if they
exist or use the defaults if they don't exist.  There was a published
patch that did exactly that in the archives.

Best of luck - Jon Carnes.

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 12:18, Levine, Jenny wrote:
> > > I'd like to send edited (simpler) versions of the standard messages
> > > currently sent out by Mailman to request confirmation and to welcome
> > > confirmed new list subscribers. How can I edit the text? 
> > I'd like a feature
> > > much like I can edit the HTML on the listinfo page.
> > 
> > Take a look at $MAILMANHOME/templates/
> 
> 	Is there a way to do this on a list-by-list basis? It looks to me like I can only do this globally in the templates directory. TIA,
> 
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
> Jenny Levine
> Internet Development Specialist
> Suburban Library System
> 125 Tower Dr., Burr Ridge, IL  60527
> http://www.sls.lib.il.us/
> levinej at sls.lib.il.us
> +1 (630) 734 5141
>  
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec 16 19:09:32 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 13:09:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?
In-Reply-To: <00e401c2a528$0a4082b0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
References: <00e401c2a528$0a4082b0$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>
Message-ID: <1040062176.1617.59.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

You'll find several good suggestions on dealing with this in the
archives.  Try using the command line tools to make the change you
want.  If that is too inconvenient, then you'll want to look at setting
up a Ram Disk.

Use the Ram Disk like an ordinary partition, load the lists config
directories into the Ram Disk, then mount the Ram Disk in place of the
lists config directories.  Several admins have done this for especially
large mailing lists.  It works a treat.

Of course, another alternative is upgrade your disk-subsystem and
processor so that disk requests happen faster and complete before the
time-out.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 12:24, Jonathan Chum wrote:
> If this is any help, here's a copy of the processes currently running:
> 
> custsvr1# ps -auxww
> USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED      TIME COMMAND
> root     88260  0.0  0.2   436  216  p0  R+   12:25PM   0:00.00 ps -auxww
> root         1  0.0  0.0   552    0  ??  ILs  Tue12PM   0:00.62
> /sbin/init --
> root         2  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   1:53.85
> (pagedaemon)
> root         3  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:08.29  (vmdaemon)
> root         4  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:03.10  (bufdaemon)
> root         5  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:03.56  (vnlru)
> root         6  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   1:58.70  (syncer)
> root        29  0.0  0.0   208    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00 adjkerntz -i
> root        72  0.0  0.2   964  212  ??  Ss   Tue05PM   0:21.00
> /usr/sbin/syslogd -s
> root        79  0.0  0.0  1072    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00
> /usr/sbin/inetd -wW
> root        81  0.0  0.1  1004  160  ??  Is   Tue05PM   0:05.68
> /usr/sbin/cron
> root        83  0.0  0.0  2096    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00
> /usr/sbin/sshd
> root        85  0.0  0.3  2512  316  ??  Ss   Tue05PM   0:16.97 sendmail:
> accepting connections (sendmail)
> root       118  0.0  0.0   644    0 con- IW   -         0:00.00 /bin/sh
> /usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql
> root       143  0.0  0.0   948    0  v0  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv0
> root       144  0.0  0.0   948    0  v1  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv1
> root       145  0.0  0.0   948    0  v2  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv2
> root       146  0.0  0.0   948    0  v3  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv3
> root       147  0.0  0.0   948    0  v4  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv4
> root       148  0.0  0.0   948    0  v5  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv5
> root       149  0.0  0.0   948    0  v6  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv6
> root       150  0.0  0.0   948    0  v7  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv7
> mysql    20199  0.0  0.2 27064  192  ??  S    Sat03AM   0:09.88
> /usr/local/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/usr/local --datadir=/var/db/mysql --use
> r=mysql --pid-file=/var/db/mysql/custsvr1.pid
> root     73116  0.0  0.1  2140  156  ??  Ss   11:24PM   0:00.96
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73129  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73130  0.0  0.0  2224    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73131  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73132  0.0  0.0  2224    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73133  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73134  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73881  0.0  0.5  2216  620  ??  I    12:01AM   0:00.13
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73979  0.0  0.5  2216  564  ??  I    12:06AM   0:00.12
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73981  0.0  0.0  2216    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      83802  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> root     87720  0.0  0.1  1004   84  ??  I    12:00PM   0:00.00 cron:
> running job (cron)
> mailman  87728  0.0  0.0   628    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00 /bin/sh -c
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> mailman  87736  0.0  0.9 26316 1068  ??  S    12:00PM   0:01.46
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> root     87974  0.0  0.0  4876    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00 sshd:
> gashalot [priv] (sshd)
> gashalot 87976  0.0  0.3  4880  312  ??  S    12:12PM   0:00.15 sshd:
> gashalot at ttyp0 (sshd)
> gashalot 87977  0.0  0.0   636    0  p0  IWs  -         0:00.00 -sh (sh)
> root     88173  0.0  0.5  1356  580  p0  S    12:22PM   0:00.03 _su (csh)
> www      88179  0.0  1.5 26428 1840  ??  S    12:22PM   0:00.95
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
> www      88211  0.0 15.3 26428 19320  ??  S    12:23PM   0:00.93
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
> root         0  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DLs  Tue12PM   0:00.43  (swapper)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Jonathan Chum
> Systems Developer
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org]On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Chum
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:18 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?
> 
> 
> I'm trying to unsubscribe a user from a list of 70,000 and so I'm going to
> the listinfo URL of this list, and attempting to unsubscribe an email. The
> page loads just fine, however, when I hit the "Edit Options" button, it's
> taking forever to load. It's sooo long that the browser simply expires.
> 
> If I'm performing this task for another list which is 39,000 in size, it
> does it just fine.
> 
> The load on theserver is:
> 
> last pid: 88090;  load averages:  0.10,  0.04,  0.01
> up 5+19:13:10  12:18:34
> 35 processes:  2 running, 33 sleeping
> CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100%
> idle
> Mem: 27M Active, 3276K Inact, 39M Wired, 22M Buf, 52M Free
> Swap: 512M Total, 32M Used, 480M Free, 6% Inuse
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Regards,
> Jonathan Chum
> Systems Developer
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Dec 16 19:10:19 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 13:10:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists not found after upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1040061424.1784.16.camel@gir.tresgeek.net>
References: <1040057136.1782.10.camel@gir.tresgeek.net> 
	<1040060746.21705.32.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us> 
	<1040061424.1784.16.camel@gir.tresgeek.net>
Message-ID: <1040062226.22450.1.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 12:56, Jason Bradley Nance wrote:
> > Sounds like you didn't use the same --prefix argument to ./configure .
> 
> I didn't specify a --prefix or use an RPM (or DEB or whatever).  I just
> left it at default.  Did the default change from 2.0.8 to 2.0.13?
> 

Right, that's the point.  You DIDN'T specify a prefix when installing
2.0.13, but obviously you (or someone) DID when installing 2.0.8.  You
need to use the same install location for both versions if you want the
upgrade to work. 

The default prefix has always been /home/mailman for the 2.0.x series --
if you had stuff in /var/mailman, it's probably because of an
installation via RPM (or similar), or someone who used a custom prefix.

--Jeremy



From aland at SoftOrchestra.com  Mon Dec 16 19:20:46 2002
From: aland at SoftOrchestra.com (Alan DuBoff)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:20:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private archives not working on 2.0.11
Message-ID: <E18NzrD-0005Rj-00@volcano.softorchestra.com>

I'm running Mailman 2.0.11 on Debain stable and I can get public archives to 
work, but private archives don't seem to work properly.

It will prompt me for an email and password and accepts it but when I try to 
select one of the categories (Subject, Date, Author, etc...) it will prompt 
me for an email and password again.

I've looked but don't see anything in the bug fixes that would warrant that 
to work. Before I remove my 2.0.11 .deb package from the system and install 
2.0.13, does anyone know if that is fixed or what the problem could be?

-- 

Alan DuBoff
Software Orchestration, Inc.
GPG: 1024D/B7A9EBEE 5E00 57CD 5336 5E0B 288B 4126 0D49 0D99 B7A9 EBEE



From jchum at aismedia.com  Mon Dec 16 20:22:53 2002
From: jchum at aismedia.com (Jonathan Chum)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?
In-Reply-To: <1040062176.1617.59.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00f501c2a538$88477050$cd1b9642@atlp.aismedia.com>

Hi,

I attempted to use the command line and after 8 minutes, still just trying
to unsubscribe. I tried it both passing the one email in a file and via the
STDIN.

I then checks the lock directory and there was about 25 different locks on
that one list. So I removed all the locks and killed off any mailman related
process either command line or from the browser.

I tried it again and was successful.

Still, I will consider the option of upgrading the server or creating a RAM
disk...

Regards,
Jonathan Chum
Systems Developer

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A I S   M e d i a ,  I n c .
"We Build eBusinesses"
115 Perimeter Center Terrace
Suite 540
Atlanta, GA 30346
Tel: 800.784.0919, Ext 502 / Fax: 678.382.2471
http://www.aismedia.com / jchum at aismedia.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jchum=aismedia.com at python.org]On Behalf Of
Jon Carnes
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 1:10 PM
To: jchum at aismedia.com
Cc: Mailman users Mailing list
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?


You'll find several good suggestions on dealing with this in the
archives.  Try using the command line tools to make the change you
want.  If that is too inconvenient, then you'll want to look at setting
up a Ram Disk.

Use the Ram Disk like an ordinary partition, load the lists config
directories into the Ram Disk, then mount the Ram Disk in place of the
lists config directories.  Several admins have done this for especially
large mailing lists.  It works a treat.

Of course, another alternative is upgrade your disk-subsystem and
processor so that disk requests happen faster and complete before the
time-out.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 12:24, Jonathan Chum wrote:
> If this is any help, here's a copy of the processes currently running:
>
> custsvr1# ps -auxww
> USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED      TIME COMMAND
> root     88260  0.0  0.2   436  216  p0  R+   12:25PM   0:00.00 ps -auxww
> root         1  0.0  0.0   552    0  ??  ILs  Tue12PM   0:00.62
> /sbin/init --
> root         2  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   1:53.85
> (pagedaemon)
> root         3  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:08.29
(vmdaemon)
> root         4  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:03.10
(bufdaemon)
> root         5  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   0:03.56  (vnlru)
> root         6  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DL   Tue12PM   1:58.70  (syncer)
> root        29  0.0  0.0   208    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00
adjkerntz -i
> root        72  0.0  0.2   964  212  ??  Ss   Tue05PM   0:21.00
> /usr/sbin/syslogd -s
> root        79  0.0  0.0  1072    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00
> /usr/sbin/inetd -wW
> root        81  0.0  0.1  1004  160  ??  Is   Tue05PM   0:05.68
> /usr/sbin/cron
> root        83  0.0  0.0  2096    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00
> /usr/sbin/sshd
> root        85  0.0  0.3  2512  316  ??  Ss   Tue05PM   0:16.97 sendmail:
> accepting connections (sendmail)
> root       118  0.0  0.0   644    0 con- IW   -         0:00.00 /bin/sh
> /usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --user=mysql
> root       143  0.0  0.0   948    0  v0  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv0
> root       144  0.0  0.0   948    0  v1  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv1
> root       145  0.0  0.0   948    0  v2  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv2
> root       146  0.0  0.0   948    0  v3  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv3
> root       147  0.0  0.0   948    0  v4  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv4
> root       148  0.0  0.0   948    0  v5  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv5
> root       149  0.0  0.0   948    0  v6  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv6
> root       150  0.0  0.0   948    0  v7  IWs+ -         0:00.00
> /usr/libexec/getty Pc ttyv7
> mysql    20199  0.0  0.2 27064  192  ??  S    Sat03AM   0:09.88
>
/usr/local/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/usr/local --datadir=/var/db/mysql --use
> r=mysql --pid-file=/var/db/mysql/custsvr1.pid
> root     73116  0.0  0.1  2140  156  ??  Ss   11:24PM   0:00.96
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73129  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73130  0.0  0.0  2224    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73131  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73132  0.0  0.0  2224    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73133  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73134  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73881  0.0  0.5  2216  620  ??  I    12:01AM   0:00.13
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73979  0.0  0.5  2216  564  ??  I    12:06AM   0:00.12
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      73981  0.0  0.0  2216    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> www      83802  0.0  0.0  2220    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> root     87720  0.0  0.1  1004   84  ??  I    12:00PM   0:00.00 cron:
> running job (cron)
> mailman  87728  0.0  0.0   628    0  ??  IWs  -         0:00.00 /bin/sh -c
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> mailman  87736  0.0  0.9 26316 1068  ??  S    12:00PM   0:01.46
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> root     87974  0.0  0.0  4876    0  ??  IW   -         0:00.00 sshd:
> gashalot [priv] (sshd)
> gashalot 87976  0.0  0.3  4880  312  ??  S    12:12PM   0:00.15 sshd:
> gashalot at ttyp0 (sshd)
> gashalot 87977  0.0  0.0   636    0  p0  IWs  -         0:00.00 -sh (sh)
> root     88173  0.0  0.5  1356  580  p0  S    12:22PM   0:00.03 _su (csh)
> www      88179  0.0  1.5 26428 1840  ??  S    12:22PM   0:00.95
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
> www      88211  0.0 15.3 26428 19320  ??  S    12:23PM   0:00.93
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
> root         0  0.0  0.0     0    0  ??  DLs  Tue12PM   0:00.43  (swapper)
>
>
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> Jonathan Chum
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:18 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Timesout When UnSubscribing, Why?
>
>
> I'm trying to unsubscribe a user from a list of 70,000 and so I'm going to
> the listinfo URL of this list, and attempting to unsubscribe an email. The
> page loads just fine, however, when I hit the "Edit Options" button, it's
> taking forever to load. It's sooo long that the browser simply expires.
>
> If I'm performing this task for another list which is 39,000 in size, it
> does it just fine.
>
> The load on theserver is:
>
> last pid: 88090;  load averages:  0.10,  0.04,  0.01
> up 5+19:13:10  12:18:34
> 35 processes:  2 running, 33 sleeping
> CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100%
> idle
> Mem: 27M Active, 3276K Inact, 39M Wired, 22M Buf, 52M Free
> Swap: 512M Total, 32M Used, 480M Free, 6% Inuse
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan Chum
> Systems Developer
>
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From jsingh at fdu.edu  Mon Dec 16 20:34:55 2002
From: jsingh at fdu.edu (jsingh)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:34:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware
Message-ID: <000c01c2a53a$36bd0a40$410bee84@FDUJACK>

Hi everyone
In regards with my hardware issues , these are the details I have
Approximately -5000 Mailing list
Average 2 postings to the mailing list every day
Average Mailing List size -15 users
Average Message Size - 4K
Mailman archiver will be used to archive messages.
Upon these specifications what kind of hardware would you suggest?
 
Thanks
Jack
 
 
 
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From ed at leafe.com  Mon Dec 16 20:49:03 2002
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:49:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using external archive program
Message-ID: <6DDA6368-112F-11D7-8E42-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

	I'm in the process of moving a mailing list to Mailman. This list has 
been active for over 3 years, and has almost 90,000 messages archived 
in a MySQL database. I'd like to continue to archive messages into this 
database, so I've been playing around with the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER 
setting in mm_cfg.py. I've been able to get it to send the listname to 
the external script that will parse the message and insert it into the 
database, but how do I get the content of the message? My current 
setting reads:

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/home/mailman/myarchive.py %(listname)s'

	I've tried to RTFM and STFW, but haven't found anything along these 
lines.

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From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Dec 16 21:05:50 2002
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:05:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private archives not working on 2.0.11
In-Reply-To: <E18NzrD-0005Rj-00@volcano.softorchestra.com>
References: <E18NzrD-0005Rj-00@volcano.softorchestra.com>
Message-ID: <20021216200550.GA3086@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Dec 16, 2002 at 10:20:46AM -0800, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> I'm running Mailman 2.0.11 on Debain stable and I can get public archives to 
> work, but private archives don't seem to work properly.

As I reported in a post on Dec. 10, I've got the same problem.
Sounds like Debian's package of 2.0.11 is bugged.

So I just checked bugs.debian.org and found it as bug #143271,
complete with a workaround proposed by Nils Rennebarth:

> I got a solution to the problem, and a simple one too:
> 
> Just set=20
> PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL =3D '/mailman/private'
> in /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py
> 
> The reason for the trouble was that I set
>    ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
> in apache. If you do this, you do not only need to change the
> DEFAULT_URL
> to http://hostname/mailman, but also PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL to the
> above.

This workaround appears to have my private archives working again.

-- 
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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Dec 16 21:18:20 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 15:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using external archive program
In-Reply-To: <6DDA6368-112F-11D7-8E42-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
References: <6DDA6368-112F-11D7-8E42-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <1040069904.22452.17.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 14:49, Ed Leafe wrote:
> 	I'm in the process of moving a mailing list to Mailman. This list has 
> been active for over 3 years, and has almost 90,000 messages archived 
> in a MySQL database. I'd like to continue to archive messages into this 
> database, so I've been playing around with the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER 
> setting in mm_cfg.py. I've been able to get it to send the listname to 
> the external script that will parse the message and insert it into the 
> database, but how do I get the content of the message? My current 
> setting reads:
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/home/mailman/myarchive.py %(listname)s'
> 
> 	I've tried to RTFM and STFW, but haven't found anything along these 
> lines.
> 

The message itself is sent to the standard input of the command.

--Jeremy



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec 16 21:48:03 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 15:48:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using external archive program
In-Reply-To: <6DDA6368-112F-11D7-8E42-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
References: <6DDA6368-112F-11D7-8E42-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <1040071693.2122.2.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

I'm sure you will get it to work, but here is an easy work-around.  When
you move the list to Mailman, you will change the alias to point to the
mailman list; point a new alias to the old list (and remove the users);
then subscribe that new alias to Mailman.  

Your old list will still be up and running, but now it will only serve
as an archiver for the Mailman list.

In the mean-time you can continue to play around with mailman's
archiver...

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 14:49, Ed Leafe wrote:
> 	I'm in the process of moving a mailing list to Mailman. This list has 
> been active for over 3 years, and has almost 90,000 messages archived 
> in a MySQL database. I'd like to continue to archive messages into this 
> database, so I've been playing around with the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER 
> setting in mm_cfg.py. I've been able to get it to send the listname to 
> the external script that will parse the message and insert it into the 
> database, but how do I get the content of the message? My current 
> setting reads:
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/home/mailman/myarchive.py %(listname)s'
> 
> 	I've tried to RTFM and STFW, but haven't found anything along these 
> lines.
> 
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>    /
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> 
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From aland at SoftOrchestra.com  Mon Dec 16 21:50:21 2002
From: aland at SoftOrchestra.com (Alan DuBoff)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:50:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private archives not working on 2.0.11
In-Reply-To: <20021216200550.GA3086@sherohman.org>
References: <E18NzrD-0005Rj-00@volcano.softorchestra.com>
	<20021216200550.GA3086@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <E18O2Bx-0006mJ-00@volcano.softorchestra.com>

On Monday 16 December 2002 12:05, Dave Sherohman wrote:

RE: PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'

Thanks so much Dave, this does in fact make it work.

Mine was set to '/cgi-bin/mailman/private', and yes, I did set the 
ScriptAlias in my httpd.conf file for Apache.

Again, thanks so much!

-- 

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Software Orchestration, Inc.
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From mchamber at macromedia.com  Tue Dec 17 01:54:32 2002
From: mchamber at macromedia.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:54:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cloning a list
In-Reply-To: <001501c2a49f$a29f4f20$1401a8c0@anncons>
Message-ID: <00ac01c2a566$dcb127c0$8d011f0a@mesha31p>

i am setting up a mailman server to act as a newserver / email gateway.
each list will gateway one group.

is there any way to easily clone a list? ideally, i could setup one list
exactly how a i want it, and then easily copy it and go in and make a
few changes (such as name changes).

i.e. something like the clone_member script, perhaps clone_list?

i searched through the archives and faq, and didnt find much / any info
on this.

mike c



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 17 02:14:51 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:14:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cloning a list
References: <00ac01c2a566$dcb127c0$8d011f0a@mesha31p>
Message-ID: <002d01c2a569$b369ce00$1401a8c0@anncons>

Apparently you didn't search the archives hard enough.

There are a couple of ways to do this.  First you should edit your
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file so that the defaults for a new lists match
those of your standard install.  That will actually do just about everything
you want.

Alternately, you can use ~mailman/bin/config_list to dump out a list
configuration to a text file.  Edit the file so that it contains the
standards you want for your lists (delete any fields that aren't part of
your standard).  Now you can upload the file to any other list and it will
set the configurations.

There is quite a long exchange in the Archives about doing just this sort of
thing.  Folks have used the process to setup "templates" for lists.  There
was even talk of setting up a library of "templates" for folks to download
ready-made list types.

I hope this helps - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Chambers" <mchamber at macromedia.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cloning a list


> i am setting up a mailman server to act as a newserver / email gateway.
> each list will gateway one group.
>
> is there any way to easily clone a list? ideally, i could setup one list
> exactly how a i want it, and then easily copy it and go in and make a
> few changes (such as name changes).
>
> i.e. something like the clone_member script, perhaps clone_list?
>
> i searched through the archives and faq, and didnt find much / any info
> on this.
>
> mike c
>
>
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From neil at ebuilt.com  Tue Dec 17 02:40:47 2002
From: neil at ebuilt.com (Neil Dombrowski)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 17:40:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing lists
Message-ID: <1040089247.2679.52.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>

I'm taking over a mailman server, and need to remove some obsolete
lists. I have found docs on how to administer lists, but not how to
remove them. Can someone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
	Neil

-- 
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IS Manager
eBuilt, Inc
949-609-4757



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Dec 17 04:49:35 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:49:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing lists
In-Reply-To: <1040089247.2679.52.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>
References: <1040089247.2679.52.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0212161948530.1217-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Dec 16, 2002 at 17:40, Neil Dombrowski wrote:

>I'm taking over a mailman server, and need to remove some obsolete
>lists. I have found docs on how to administer lists, but not how to
>remove them. Can someone point me in the right direction?

bin/rmlist

-- 
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From jimpop at rocketship.com  Tue Dec 17 05:30:53 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:30:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware
In-Reply-To: <000c01c2a53a$36bd0a40$410bee84@FDUJACK>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGMEPAFCAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Intel 486 w/ 32Mb of ram and a 2 gig harddrive.  :)

Seriously, just about any hardware you can get your hands on (short of a
palm pc) can handle this.

-Jim P.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jimpop=rocketship.com at python.org]On Behalf Of
jsingh
  Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 2:35 PM
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hardware


  Hi everyone

  In regards with my hardware issues , these are the details I have

  Approximately -5000 Mailing list

  Average 2 postings to the mailing list every day

  Average Mailing List size -15 users

  Average Message Size - 4K

  Mailman archiver will be used to archive messages.

  Upon these specifications what kind of hardware would you suggest?



  Thanks

  Jack






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From chowell-web at xilogix.com  Tue Dec 17 06:21:15 2002
From: chowell-web at xilogix.com (Cary Howell)
Date: 17 Dec 2002 00:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing /admin/ pages question.
Message-ID: <1040102475.22210.56.camel@brain.ods.org>

I have read the documentation and understand how to edit the various
list pages like listinfo, options, optresults, etc.  I would like to be
able to customize other pages like the /admin/ pages. Is there a simple
way to do this (short of changing the source), there is no discussion in
the manual nor are there any templates, so are these hard coded pages? 
Thanks in Advance.

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From neil at ebuilt.com  Tue Dec 17 06:36:41 2002
From: neil at ebuilt.com (Neil Dombrowski)
Date: 16 Dec 2002 21:36:41 -0800
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Removing lists]
Message-ID: <1040103401.2680.55.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>

thanks for all the help, but still having problems. I run the command,
and I get 'no such file or directory'. The mailing list exists, and the
executable file /usr/bin/env exists. What is this telling me?

Thanks,
	Neil

mailman at brak% pwd        
/home/mailman
mailman at brak% bin/rmlist ciam   
/usr/bin/env: No such file or directory
mailman at brak% ls /usr/bin/env   
  12 /usr/bin/env*
mailman at brak% head
bin/rmlist                                                 ~
#! /usr/bin/env python
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,



-- 
Neil Dombrowski
IS Manager
eBuilt, Inc
949-609-4757
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From trevor at thelauders.net  Tue Dec 17 08:06:17 2002
From: trevor at thelauders.net (Trevor Lauder)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:06:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Removing lists]
In-Reply-To: <1040103401.2680.55.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>
References: <1040103401.2680.55.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>
Message-ID: <64728.68.144.33.43.1040108777.squirrel@webmail.thelauders.net>

You are running a program not in your path, if you are in /home/mailman type

./bin/rmlist ciam

You could also type:

/home/mailman/bin/rmlist ciam

from any directory and it would work too, or

cd /home/mailman/bin
./rmlist caim

-- 
Trevor Lauder
Web: http://www.thelauders.net
E-Mail: trevor at thelauders.net

Neil Dombrowski said:
> thanks for all the help, but still having problems. I run the command,
> and I get 'no such file or directory'. The mailing list exists, and the
> executable file /usr/bin/env exists. What is this telling me?
>
> Thanks,
> 	Neil
>
> mailman at brak% pwd
> /home/mailman
> mailman at brak% bin/rmlist ciam
> /usr/bin/env: No such file or directory
> mailman at brak% ls /usr/bin/env
>   12 /usr/bin/env*
> mailman at brak% head
> bin/rmlist                                                 ~
> #! /usr/bin/env python
> #




From dan.mick at sun.com  Tue Dec 17 08:11:13 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 23:11:13 -0800
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Removing lists]
In-Reply-To: <1040103401.2680.55.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>
References: <1040103401.2680.55.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>
	<64728.68.144.33.43.1040108777.squirrel@webmail.thelauders.net>
Message-ID: <3DFECE11.3000101@sun.com>

No, Trevor, that's not the problem at all.  The error message says

/usr/bin/env: No such file or directory

which means getting to rmlist wasn't the issue at all, and as Neil points 
out, neither is getting to /usr/bin/env.

Neil, /usr/bin/env can't find Python; "python" must not be on your path.
You should fix that.

Trevor Lauder wrote:

> You are running a program not in your path, if you are in /home/mailman type
>
> ./bin/rmlist ciam
>
> You could also type:
>
> /home/mailman/bin/rmlist ciam
>
> from any directory and it would work too, or
>
> cd /home/mailman/bin
> ./rmlist caim
>

Neil Dombrowski said:

 >> thanks for all the help, but still having problems. I run the command,
 >> and I get 'no such file or directory'. The mailing list exists, and the
 >> executable file /usr/bin/env exists. What is this telling me?
 >>
 >> Thanks,
 >> 	Neil
 >>
 >> mailman at brak% pwd
 >> /home/mailman
 >> mailman at brak% bin/rmlist ciam
 >> /usr/bin/env: No such file or directory
 >> mailman at brak% ls /usr/bin/env
 >>   12 /usr/bin/env*
 >> mailman at brak% head
 >> bin/rmlist                                                 ~
 >> #! /usr/bin/env python
 >> #







From trevor at thelauders.net  Tue Dec 17 08:16:30 2002
From: trevor at thelauders.net (Trevor Lauder)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 00:16:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Removing lists]
In-Reply-To: <3DFECE11.3000101@sun.com>
References: <1040103401.2680.55.camel@pinky.rmscare.net>
        <64728.68.144.33.43.1040108777.squirrel@webmail.thelauders.net>
        <3DFECE11.3000101@sun.com>
Message-ID: <64882.68.144.33.43.1040109390.squirrel@webmail.thelauders.net>

Sorry, guess I shouldn't try to send emails this late at night :(  I knew
that, just didn't click... must be too tired.

-- 
Trevor Lauder
Web: http://www.thelauders.net
E-Mail: trevor at thelauders.net

Dan Mick said:
> No, Trevor, that's not the problem at all.  The error message says




From isnel at idict.cu  Fri Dec 13 19:42:33 2002
From: isnel at idict.cu (Isnel Velazquez)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:42:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!!!
Message-ID: <004501c2a2d7$6c71f070$6c809ea9@isnel>

I installed Mailman, now i send messages to the test list and don't delivery the message to the members list. What could be happend? Thank's for all
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From cbaslock at kansas.net  Sat Dec 14 02:27:58 2002
From: cbaslock at kansas.net (Chuck Baslock)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 19:27:58 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe confirmation failure
References: <003a01c2a2ef$d7d1ce90$420e8f0a@MYSTRO.mystrotv.com>
Message-ID: <0e9a01c2a310$105c8be0$6401a8c0@swbell.net>

Had MailMan set up at a host(Plesk).

Been trying to get it running for several days.
Support techs have been no help.

postmaster at yyyyyyyy.zzz works.

Receive following error when replying to a subscribe request confirmation.
Can anyone decipher this and lead me in the right direction?

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<xxxxxxx-request at lists.yyyyyyyyy.zzz>
    (reason: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts
(#5.7.1))

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to lists.yyyyyyyy.zzz.:
>>> RCPT To:<xxxxxxx-request at lists.yyyyyyyy.zzz>
<<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)
550 5.1.1 <xxxxxxx-request at lists.yyyyyyyy.zzz>... User unknown




From luke2 at odyssey.odyssey.co.ug  Sat Dec 14 18:38:41 2002
From: luke2 at odyssey.odyssey.co.ug (Kyohere Luke)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:38:41 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain HOW TO/FAQ/support 
Message-ID: <4547.192.168.1.203.1039887521.squirrel@odyssey.co.ug>


Hello,

I am kinda new to mailman, and was just wondering if there is a place I
can read about how to configure mailman to use virtual domains. for
example to show on all the web-pages listname at myvirtualdomain.com instead
of listname at defaultdomain.com. I tried to use aliases but they do not fix
this problem. My MTA is sendmail, but i'd llike to know how this can be
done for Postfix, Exim as well as Sendmail.

Thanx


-- 
KL




From TriangleSings at aol.com  Sat Dec 14 14:23:26 2002
From: TriangleSings at aol.com (TriangleSings at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:23:26 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any change?
Message-ID: <21.28b1e470.2b2c8ace@aol.com>

Mailman sounds perfect -- except for its not running on Windows.  Is that 
still the case?  Thought perhaps you'd had reports of success from others.  
I'm using Windows 98.  Have a list of 200+ for monthly mailings for a 
nonprofit website I've started for choral singing -- going okay through AOL 
so far, but it's just a matter of time before I begin having real problems.  
Any advice would be appreciated.

Many thanks --

Carol T. Robbins, Director
<A HREF="http://trianglesings.org/">TriangleSings!</A> 
706 Fearrington Post
Pittsboro, NC 27312
Phone/fax: 919/545-0343
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From annievorstman at wanadoo.nl  Sun Dec 15 21:35:52 2002
From: annievorstman at wanadoo.nl (Anita Vorstman)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:35:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header intact
Message-ID: <001c01c2a479$8fb3f990$0100a8c0@s22957>

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From scott at blast.com  Mon Dec 16 01:51:03 2002
From: scott at blast.com (Scott R. Every)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:51:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 beta 6
In-Reply-To: <15862.38360.272912.231108@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <15862.38360.272912.231108@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1039981863@[66.45.99.179]>

does version 2.1 have any good way to export all the email addresses EXCEPT 
the ones with the nomail option set?  using list_members gives ALL the 
emails regardless of whether this field is set.  my data set is very 
large(>600k) so dumping the whole db is not an option(it took over 8 
hours).  what i need is to be able to quickly dump just the current emails 
from a list.

any advice would be welcome.

thanks

s

--On Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:33 PM -0500 "Barry A. Warsaw" 
<barry at python.org> wrote:

>
> I've released Mailman 2.1 beta 6.  This is the last planned beta
> release before MM2.1 final, which I still expect to release before the
> end of the year.  See below for a list of changes since 2.1b5.  There
> have been lots of bug fxes and lots of translations updates.
>
> The new tarball has been uploaded to SourceForge, and the various web
> sites will be updated shortly.
>
> Enjoy,
> -Barry
>
> -------------------- snip snip --------------------
> 2.1 beta 6 (09-Dec-2002)
>
>     Lots and lots of bug fixes, and translation updates.  Also,
>
>     - ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS is now set to true by default.
>
>     - QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES is now set to true by default.
>
>     - Bounce messages which were recognized, but in which no member
>       addresses were found are no longer forwarded to the list
>       administrator.
>
>     - bin/arch grew a --wipe option which first removes the entire old
>       archive before regenerating the new one.
>
>     - bin/mailmanctl -u now prints a warning that permission problems
>       could appear, such as when trying to delete a list through the
>       web that has some archives in it.
>
>     - bin/remove_members grew --nouserack/-n and -noadminack/-N options.
>
>     - A new script bin/list_owners has been added for printing out
>       list owners and moderators.
>
>     - Dates in the web version of archived messages are now relative
>       to the local timezone, and include the timezone names, when
>       available.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> This message was sent to: scott at emji.net
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/scott%40emji.net




From p-woo1 at uchicago.edu  Mon Dec 16 16:19:16 2002
From: p-woo1 at uchicago.edu (Paul Woo)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:19:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 Help With https://listhost.uchicago.edu/mailman/admindb/pub-service
Message-ID: <IDEAKDHALFHGKFOMAKHOIEFPDGAA.p-woo1@uchicago.edu>

Hi - I am the administrator for the above mail list. My password isn't
working, and I make a bet I wrote it down wrong (was it Pub-service?). Can
you send me the correct password so I can get in there and respond to an
administrative task? Thanks! Paul

Paul Woo
Associate Director for Recruitment Programs
  & Information Management
The University of Chicago Law School
Herbert B. Fried Office of Career Services
1111 East 60th Street
Chicago, IL 60637
773.834.0918  -telephone
773.702.3154 -fax



From obara at vision.ee.ethz.ch  Mon Dec 16 17:44:09 2002
From: obara at vision.ee.ethz.ch (Boguslaw Obara)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:44:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with SunOs
Message-ID: <200212161744.09180.obara@ee.ethz.ch>


I have problem to install locally Mplayer !!!
I have SunOS computer.

I cann't  install on my computer LIBRARY: *********libdv-0.98********* which I 
need to install MPlayer version : 0.90pre6.

Library  *********libdv-0.98********* need files: ****stdint.h*** and other 
include files from OLD STANDART C LIBRARY which are not on SunOS.

On Linux Mandrake PC-computer the same Mplayer was installed WELL !!! 

I ASK YOU HOW I CAN INSTALL THIS LIBRARY *********libdv-0.98********* ON MY 
SUN_OS COMPUTER ???

Thank you 



From kirsh_harris at asianminds.com  Tue Dec 17 13:48:08 2002
From: kirsh_harris at asianminds.com (Krish Harris)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:18:08 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
Message-ID: <000601c2a5ca$90c8a2c0$e50141db@aadarsh>

Dear mailman users,

First of all I would like to show my appreciation for you making such a
good software. Mailman is really impressive and powerful.

But I do not know if the following feature is available in mailman:

If we want to provide unsubscribe option to mailing list members through
replying of the mail and they just type unsubscribe in the subject --
how is this possible in mailman?

Also is there any link which we can provide to directly unsubscribe?


Please do let me know because without easy unsubscribe links
mailing-lists would not be 100% complete.

Thanks and regards,
saurabh





From omacht.andras at feszek.pte.hu  Tue Dec 17 14:21:14 2002
From: omacht.andras at feszek.pte.hu (Omacht Andras)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:21:14 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman "hungarian edition" :)
Message-ID: <1040131274.3dff24ca12330@feszek.pte.hu>

Hi!

I'd like to use the mailman web interface in Hungarian language.
Is any patch to do it?

Thanks!

-- 
Omacht Andr?s

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains,
however impossible, must be the truth." (Sherlock Holmes)


From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Dec 17 19:05:21 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:05:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP!!!!
In-Reply-To: <004501c2a2d7$6c71f070$6c809ea9@isnel>;
	from isnel@idict.cu on Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 12:42:33PM -0600
References: <004501c2a2d7$6c71f070$6c809ea9@isnel>
Message-ID: <20021217130521.A15101@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Isnel Velazquez (isnel at idict.cu) wrote:
> I installed Mailman, now i send messages to the test list and don't delivery the message to the members list. What could be happend? Thank's for all

> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


Did you check the FAQ and Archives?  The most likely cause is the crontab wasn't installed.


----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Tuesday, December 17, 2002 / 01:04PM      |
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From aland at SoftOrchestra.com  Tue Dec 17 19:07:39 2002
From: aland at SoftOrchestra.com (Alan DuBoff)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:07:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Help With
	https://listhost.uchicago.edu/mailman/admindb/pub-service
In-Reply-To: <IDEAKDHALFHGKFOMAKHOIEFPDGAA.p-woo1@uchicago.edu>
References: <IDEAKDHALFHGKFOMAKHOIEFPDGAA.p-woo1@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <E18OM83-0000H4-00@volcano.softorchestra.com>

On Monday 16 December 2002 07:19, Paul Woo wrote:
> Hi - I am the administrator for the above mail list. My password isn't
> working, and I make a bet I wrote it down wrong (was it Pub-service?). Can
> you send me the correct password so I can get in there and respond to an
> administrative task? Thanks! Paul

Did you read the FAQ?

Specifically, like here?

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#3.8

-- 

Alan DuBoff
Software Orchestration, Inc.
GPG: 1024D/B7A9EBEE 5E00 57CD 5336 5E0B 288B 4126 0D49 0D99 B7A9 EBEE



From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Tue Dec 17 19:10:49 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:10:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
In-Reply-To: <000601c2a5ca$90c8a2c0$e50141db@aadarsh>;
	from kirsh_harris@asianminds.com on Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 06:18:08PM +0530
References: <000601c2a5ca$90c8a2c0$e50141db@aadarsh>
Message-ID: <20021217131049.B15101@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Krish Harris (kirsh_harris at asianminds.com) wrote:
> 
> If we want to provide unsubscribe option to mailing list members through
> replying of the mail and they just type unsubscribe in the subject --
> how is this possible in mailman?

In the headers put in by mailman, you can see this.

List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
        <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>

That provides the link and ability to send email and get unsubscribed.

----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Tuesday, December 17, 2002 / 01:09PM       |
----------------------------------------------
I know it all. I just can't remember it all at once.


From hans at deragon.biz  Tue Dec 17 18:54:18 2002
From: hans at deragon.biz (Hans Deragon)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:54:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper does not seem to do anything.
Message-ID: <3DFF64CA.6070104@deragon.biz>

Greetings.


   I receive an email which I pass to the mailman wrapper with the 
following command:

cat reply1.txt | /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testa

   reply1.txt is a text file containing the message of a reply to a 
subscribtion notice.  But wrapper does not seem to do anything.  The 
user is not subscribed and no logs are to be found under 
/var/log/maillog.  Any suggestions?

   BTW, if I call wrapper with bad arguments, it complains in 
/var/log/maillog, so I know that I am looking at the right place for logs.


Sincerely,
Hans Deragon.

ANNEXE:

   Following is the message passed to wrapper (reply1.txt):

-------------------------------
Return-Path: <hans at deragon.biz>
Received: from pop1.sympatico.ca [209.226.175.83]
	by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.0.0)
	for deragon-imap at localhost (single-drop); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:39:03 
-0500 (EST)
Received: from eforward3.enom.com ([63.251.83.39])
           by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net
           (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with 
ESMTP
           id 
<20021217173824.LBFR10601.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net at eforward3.enom.com>
           for <deragon at sympatico.ca>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:38:24 -0500
Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.25]) by 
eforward3.enom.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329);
	 Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:37:57 -0800
Received: from deragon.biz ([65.92.185.125]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net
           (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with 
ESMTP
           id 
<20021217173822.FRCL7671.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net at deragon.biz>
           for <testa-request at deragon.biz>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:38:22 
-0500
Message-ID: <3DFF611F.8040502 at deragon.biz>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:38:39 -0500
From: Hans Deragon <hans at deragon.biz>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) 
Gecko/20020826
X-Accept-Language: fr-CA,fr,en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: testa-request at deragon.biz
Subject: Re: Testa -- confirmation of subscription -- request 644692
References: <20021217170204.9309.98445.Mailman at localhost.localdomain>
X-Enigmail-Version: 0.65.2.0
X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Return-Path: hans at deragon.biz
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2002 17:37:57.0671 (UTC) 
FILETIME=[099CEB70:01C2A5F3]
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0
	tests=AWL,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM,REFERENCES,
	      SPAM_PHRASE_13_21,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,
	      X_ACCEPT_LANG,X_OSIRU_DUL,X_OSIRU_DUL_FH
	version=2.43-cvs
X-Spam-Level: *

testa-request at deragon.biz wrote:
 > Testa -- confirmation of subscription -- request 644692
 >
 > We have received a request from 65.92.185.125 for subscription of your
 > email address, <hans at deragon.biz>, to the testa at deragon.biz mailing
 > list.  To confirm the request, please send a message to
 > testa-request at deragon.biz, and either:
 >
 > - maintain the subject line as is (the reply's additional "Re:" is
 > ok),
 >
 > - or include the following line - and only the following line - in the
 > message body:
 >
 > confirm 644692
 >
 > (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email
 > interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right
 > form.)
 >
 > If you do not wish to subscribe to this list, please simply disregard
 > this message.  Send questions to testa-admin at deragon.biz.
 >





From sb.list at sb.org  Tue Dec 17 19:12:27 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:12:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  Help With
	https://listhost.uchicago.edu/mailman/admindb/pub-service
In-Reply-To: <IDEAKDHALFHGKFOMAKHOIEFPDGAA.p-woo1@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <BA24D33B.53798%sb.list@sb.org>

Ask the site administrator to set the list admin password to what you want.

It would be mighty poor security if someone on the Mailman-Users list could
send you your password!

 - Stoney

On 12/16/02 10:19 AM, "Paul Woo" <p-woo1 at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> Hi - I am the administrator for the above mail list. My password isn't
> working, and I make a bet I wrote it down wrong (was it Pub-service?). Can
> you send me the correct password so I can get in there and respond to an
> administrative task? Thanks! Paul
> 
> Paul Woo



From sb.list at sb.org  Tue Dec 17 19:15:04 2002
From: sb.list at sb.org (Stonewall Ballard)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header intact
In-Reply-To: <001c01c2a479$8fb3f990$0100a8c0@s22957>
Message-ID: <BA24D3D8.537A0%sb.list@sb.org>

Is it possible that this person "replied with the subject header intact"?
:-)

On 12/15/02 3:35 PM, "Anita Vorstman" <annievorstman at wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> confirm a44d804828712c273ac378de80d3d2edd67c0457




From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Tue Dec 17 20:17:53 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:17:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] delivery
Message-ID: <20021217191753.GC24697@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

I have 2 problems:

1. "Questions?  Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mailman-owner@@FQDN at ."

It's a wrong configuration... How can I change thos "@FQDN@"
with actual fully qualified domain name to the existing list?

2. I'm running a list for 600 subscribers and I get the following
errors:

"For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

                        The MX program

<appelsiini at poczta.fm>: permission denied. Command output: Too many
recipients".

How Do I fix this one? I have about 60 recipients with that
domain.

I tried to figure it out myself.
Is it enough to change "mm_cfg.py" settings? Or should I do sth
else after editing this file? Will it work on an existing (and
running) list?

TIA
-- 
kocurek


From ed at leafe.com  Tue Dec 17 20:30:01 2002
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:30:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Determining bounced messages
Message-ID: <EFDFAB26-11F5-11D7-A9D8-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

	I've set up a test list, and added a subscriber address in my domain 
that doesn't exist. I've then sent dozens of messages to this list, and 
yet I don't see any change to this bogus account's status.

	The Bounce options for the list is set up as follows:

Try to figure out error messages automatically? Yes
Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we 
take action: 1
Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before 
we consider removing them from the list: 3
Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. (Yes, bounce 
detection finds this info useful) 10
Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. Disable and 
notify me

	My question is: how can I tell if Mailman is detecting bounces? Are 
there any other settings that affect how bounces are handled? And can I 
see the current "bounce count" for any subscriber?

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://foxcentral.net



From dhl at SPHDS.Org  Tue Dec 17 20:30:32 2002
From: dhl at SPHDS.Org (David LeVine)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:30:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member unable to post
Message-ID: <200212171930.gBHJUWq00134@ns1.sphds.org>

I've set up a small list and set it so that only members can post.  I am a
member of the list and I happen to read my mail on the same machine that is
the list server.  Whenever I try to post to the list, it responds that I am
not a member of the list and that the moderator needs to approve the post.
Since the mail is being delivered locally, sendmail appears to be stripping
off the domain portion of my address prior to passing it along to mailman.
I've tried adding my username sans domain as a member of the list but mailman
doesn't appear to allow that.  Any suggestions or pointers to FAQs would be
most appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

David
dhl at sphds.org


From admin at internet-helpers.net  Tue Dec 17 20:51:34 2002
From: admin at internet-helpers.net (Rob G)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:51:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Xmail
Message-ID: <025001c2a605$b4654c20$76ae3b42@gtncall.gtnlan>

Hi All,

Not sure if anyone is running xmail server here as their MTA but I know I am... and so far Mailman has given me the best luck on getting configured.  Right now I am getting the error

Dec 17 14:48:01 2002 (4450) 451  (Requested action aborted: (-31) local error in processing)
Dec 17 14:48:01 2002 (4450) 451  (Requested action aborted: (-31) local error in processing)

in log/smtp-error

Does anyone have any idea where this error could be coming from?

Regards,
Rob G
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From fish at livingsky.net  Tue Dec 17 21:20:07 2002
From: fish at livingsky.net (fish)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:20:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with email commands
Message-ID: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAKEJBDIAA.fish@livingsky.net>

I was just testing out my set-up and tried to do an unsubscribe through the
mail. I sent the message using the address that I wanted to unsub to
list-request at domain.name, put unsubscribe in the subject line (I was testing
out the footer command mailto:list-request at domain.name which I had placed in
the footers) and got the following error.

==========
This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address <test-request at livingsky.net>.

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<test-request at livingsky.net> with the word "help" in the subject line
or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to <test-admin at livingsky.net>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.


***** unsubscribe
>>>>> Usage: unsubscribe <password> [<email-address>]
=========

I am using apache, exim and mailman 2.0.13. I was under the impression that
if the password was not included, that a verifying message would be sent by
the list and that the email address would be picked up automatically if sent
from the actual address. If this is indeed the case, what do I need to do to
fix this, and if not, is this fixed in a newer version?


Bob Lydiate
icon at accesscomm.ca

"Nyasaye Ogwedhi"



From jeremyp at pobox.com  Tue Dec 17 21:39:14 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 17 Dec 2002 15:39:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with email commands
In-Reply-To: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAKEJBDIAA.fish@livingsky.net>
References: <FFEHJKDOKCCPDELMCLCAKEJBDIAA.fish@livingsky.net>
Message-ID: <1040157558.24485.45.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 15:20, fish wrote:
> =========
> 
> I am using apache, exim and mailman 2.0.13. I was under the impression that
> if the password was not included, that a verifying message would be sent by
> the list and that the email address would be picked up automatically if sent
> from the actual address. If this is indeed the case, what do I need to do to
> fix this, and if not, is this fixed in a newer version?

Not sure where you got that idea.  In mailman 2.0.13, the only way to
unsubscribe via email is to use the password.  The only way to have the
password mailed to you is via the web interface.  Mailman 2.0.x isn't
really designed to be run without the web interface used at least some
of the time.  

--Jeremy



From chris at liquid-diamonds.org.uk  Tue Dec 17 22:17:36 2002
From: chris at liquid-diamonds.org.uk (Chris Hewitt)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:17:36 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Determining bounced messages
In-Reply-To: <EFDFAB26-11F5-11D7-A9D8-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
References: <EFDFAB26-11F5-11D7-A9D8-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <20021217211517.8BBA.CHRIS@liquid-diamonds.org.uk>

[Snip]

> 	My question is: how can I tell if Mailman is detecting bounces? Are 
> there any other settings that affect how bounces are handled? And can I 
> see the current "bounce count" for any subscriber?

Don't know if there is a better way, but take a look at the 'bounce'
file in the logs directory.

BTW, this list you are moving to Mailman wouldn't happen to be a certain
FoxPro one would it?

Chris

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From dig.list at nm.ru  Tue Dec 17 22:40:26 2002
From: dig.list at nm.ru (DIG)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:40:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header intact
In-Reply-To: <BA24D3D8.537A0%sb.list@sb.org>;
	from "Stonewall Ballard" on Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 01:15:04PM
References: <001c01c2a479$8fb3f990$0100a8c0@s22957>
	<BA24D3D8.537A0%sb.list@sb.org>
Message-ID: <20021217154026.K29277@lifebook>

Hi, Stonewall Ballard !

 On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 01:15:04PM -0500, Stonewall Ballard wrote:

> Is it possible that this person "replied with the subject header intact"?
> :-)

-- It should be just "intact" ;-))


Regards,

-- 
DIG (Dmitri I GOULIAEV)


From neil at ebuilt.com  Tue Dec 17 22:53:28 2002
From: neil at ebuilt.com (Neil Dombrowski)
Date: 17 Dec 2002 13:53:28 -0800
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: RE: [Mailman-Users] Removing lists]]
Message-ID: <1040162008.15841.20.camel@brain.ebuilt.net>

Thanks, that was it. I found a bad installation of python, which was
causing the problem.

Neil
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   IS Manager
   eBuilt Inc
PH:  949-609-4757
Fax: 949-609-0001
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 17 23:14:43 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Dec 2002 17:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any change?
In-Reply-To: <21.28b1e470.2b2c8ace@aol.com>
References: <21.28b1e470.2b2c8ace@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1040163288.1618.108.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Check out someplace like http://www.nonags.com for windows software.

It's not likely that Mailman will run easily on Windows in the near
future.  Windows is closed source and Mailman is Open Source.  While the
two can mix, it's just not that easy with Microsoft doing everything
they can to stifle Open Source.

Of course if you would like to buy an old pc for a few bucks and install
Mandrake linux on it, you should have Mailman up and running on it in
very little time at all.

If that is an option that doesn't scare you, then check out your local
Linux Users Group (refered to as a LUG).  Most likely someone there will
setup the machine for you for free.  Heck they might even donate an old
machine for your use!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes (Apex, NC)

On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 08:23, TriangleSings at aol.com wrote:
> Mailman sounds perfect -- except for its not running on Windows.  Is that 
> still the case?  Thought perhaps you'd had reports of success from others.  
> I'm using Windows 98.  Have a list of 200+ for monthly mailings for a 
> nonprofit website I've started for choral singing -- going okay through AOL 
> so far, but it's just a matter of time before I begin having real problems.  
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> 
> Many thanks --
> 
> Carol T. Robbins, Director
> <A HREF="http://trianglesings.org/">TriangleSings!</A> 
> 706 Fearrington Post
> Pittsboro, NC 27312
> Phone/fax: 919/545-0343
> ----
> 

> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 17 23:18:35 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Dec 2002 17:18:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain HOW TO/FAQ/support
In-Reply-To: <4547.192.168.1.203.1039887521.squirrel@odyssey.co.ug>
References: <4547.192.168.1.203.1039887521.squirrel@odyssey.co.ug>
Message-ID: <1040163518.1622.111.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

This is documented multiple times in the list Archives.  
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

The short answer is that for Sendmail you need to use the Generic
Tables.  In the end it is often easier to switch to Postfix.  The
support for virtual domains on Postfix is much better than for Sendmail

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 12:38, Kyohere Luke wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am kinda new to mailman, and was just wondering if there is a place I
> can read about how to configure mailman to use virtual domains. for
> example to show on all the web-pages listname at myvirtualdomain.com instead
> of listname at defaultdomain.com. I tried to use aliases but they do not fix
> this problem. My MTA is sendmail, but i'd llike to know how this can be
> done for Postfix, Exim as well as Sendmail.
> 
> Thanx
> 
> 
> -- 
> KL
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 17 23:23:34 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Dec 2002 17:23:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 beta 6
In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1039981863@[66.45.99.179]>
References: <15862.38360.272912.231108@gargle.gargle.HOWL> 
	<2147483647.1039981863@[66.45.99.179]>
Message-ID: <1040163818.1618.116.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

If worse comes to worse you can always use ~mailman/bin/dumpdb and dump
out the user configuration section.  The configuration is stored in a
binary format (a number from 0-32) which is documented on this list as
well as in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py (I think).

On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 19:51, Scott R. Every wrote:
> does version 2.1 have any good way to export all the email addresses EXCEPT 
> the ones with the nomail option set?  using list_members gives ALL the 
> emails regardless of whether this field is set.  my data set is very 
> large(>600k) so dumping the whole db is not an option(it took over 8 
> hours).  what i need is to be able to quickly dump just the current emails 
> from a list.
> 
> any advice would be welcome.
> 
> thanks
> 
> s
> 
> --On Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:33 PM -0500 "Barry A. Warsaw" 
> <barry at python.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I've released Mailman 2.1 beta 6.  This is the last planned beta
> > release before MM2.1 final, which I still expect to release before the
> > end of the year.  See below for a list of changes since 2.1b5.  There
> > have been lots of bug fxes and lots of translations updates.
> >
> > The new tarball has been uploaded to SourceForge, and the various web
> > sites will be updated shortly.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > -Barry
> >
> > -------------------- snip snip --------------------
> > 2.1 beta 6 (09-Dec-2002)
> >
> >     Lots and lots of bug fixes, and translation updates.  Also,
> >
> >     - ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS is now set to true by default.
> >
> >     - QRUNNER_SAVE_BAD_MESSAGES is now set to true by default.
> >
> >     - Bounce messages which were recognized, but in which no member
> >       addresses were found are no longer forwarded to the list
> >       administrator.
> >
> >     - bin/arch grew a --wipe option which first removes the entire old
> >       archive before regenerating the new one.
> >
> >     - bin/mailmanctl -u now prints a warning that permission problems
> >       could appear, such as when trying to delete a list through the
> >       web that has some archives in it.
> >
> >     - bin/remove_members grew --nouserack/-n and -noadminack/-N options.
> >
> >     - A new script bin/list_owners has been added for printing out
> >       list owners and moderators.
> >
> >     - Dates in the web version of archived messages are now relative
> >       to the local timezone, and include the timezone names, when
> >       available.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: scott at emji.net
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/scott%40emji.net
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
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From john at io.com  Wed Dec 18 02:45:03 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:45:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain HOW TO/FAQ/support
In-Reply-To: <1040163518.1622.111.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <4547.192.168.1.203.1039887521.squirrel@odyssey.co.ug>
	<1040163518.1622.111.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021218014503.GC32038@io.com>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> [2002-12-17 17:18:35 -0500]:
> The short answer is that for Sendmail you need to use the Generic
> Tables.  In the end it is often easier to switch to Postfix.  The
> support for virtual domains on Postfix is much better than for Sendmail

  He's asking about the email as it displays on the web pages; wouldn't
this be a Mailman config issue rather than an MTA issue?

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From john at io.com  Wed Dec 18 02:49:09 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] header intact
In-Reply-To: <20021217154026.K29277@lifebook>
References: <001c01c2a479$8fb3f990$0100a8c0@s22957>
	<BA24D3D8.537A0%sb.list@sb.org> <20021217154026.K29277@lifebook>
Message-ID: <20021218014909.GD32038@io.com>

* DIG <dig.list at nm.ru> [2002-12-17 15:40:26 -0600]:
> -- It should be just "intact" ;-))

  That depends on whether you read it as:

Reply with the subject: header intact

  ...or...

Reply with the subject header: intact 

  Either way it's pretty amusing (apologies to OP for the joke at its
expense :p).

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From john at io.com  Wed Dec 18 02:54:45 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:54:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with SunOs
In-Reply-To: <200212161744.09180.obara@ee.ethz.ch>
References: <200212161744.09180.obara@ee.ethz.ch>
Message-ID: <20021218015445.GE32038@io.com>

* Boguslaw Obara <obara at vision.ee.ethz.ch> [2002-12-16 17:44:09 +0100]:
> I have problem to install locally Mplayer !!!

  OK, this is getting progressively worse:

1) The "subject header intact" email,
2) some list admin asking a group of strangers to send him his password,
3) and now MPlayer installation troubles?

  No point, just wanted to point out that normally high-s/n-ratio list
is having a bit of a surreal day.  :) 

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From hdmmfaq at wni.com  Wed Dec 18 02:57:43 2002
From: hdmmfaq at wni.com (HDMMFAQ)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:57:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the mailist address
Message-ID: <001001c2a638$dacea3b0$c76412ac@hdpc>

Hello,

After install Mailman, it shows:

To post a message to all the list members, send email to it at hdsparc.


My question is how can I change from it at hdsparc to it at hdsparc.mydomain or
it at mydomain



From aland at SoftOrchestra.com  Wed Dec 18 03:07:14 2002
From: aland at SoftOrchestra.com (Alan DuBoff)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:07:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with SunOs
In-Reply-To: <20021218015445.GE32038@io.com>
References: <200212161744.09180.obara@ee.ethz.ch>
	<20021218015445.GE32038@io.com>
Message-ID: <E18OTcA-0001BL-00@volcano.softorchestra.com>

On Tuesday 17 December 2002 17:54, John Buttery wrote:
>   No point, just wanted to point out that normally high-s/n-ratio list
> is having a bit of a surreal day.  :) 

No $#!T...I was wondering if this was idiot day or what...?

I just subscribed to this list to fix a problem with private archives, and I 
*DID* search through the FAQ and look for a solution myself and tried to 
searchable archives but couldn't find anything. Thankfully Dave Sherohman 
replied and helped me.

Then today a rash of idiots post here. Is it always like that on 
Mailman-Users?

Even one guy works at a law firm and sent out what he though was his 
password. Now that takes brains...I had heard it was hard to pass the 
bar...go figure...<LOL!> Not to mention he could have searched the FAQ and 
found a solution...contact your administrator if you aren't one!;-)

Heck, I tried to add my proplem to the FAQ and it wouldn't accept my password 
for some reason (yes, I know what it is;-), so sent the info to the FAQ owner 
so that it could get added and possibly help others out.

-- 

Alan DuBoff
Software Orchestration, Inc.
GPG: 1024D/B7A9EBEE 5E00 57CD 5336 5E0B 288B 4126 0D49 0D99 B7A9 EBEE



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 18 04:28:08 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 17 Dec 2002 22:28:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain HOW TO/FAQ/support
In-Reply-To: <20021218014503.GC32038@io.com>
References: <4547.192.168.1.203.1039887521.squirrel@odyssey.co.ug>
	<1040163518.1622.111.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> 
	<20021218014503.GC32038@io.com>
Message-ID: <1040182092.1618.120.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Good point, he did specifically mention the web pages - so why didn't
you answer the question...?

The best answer on the web page displays is to use the latest beta which
has better support for virtual domains.

On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 20:45, John Buttery wrote:
> * Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> [2002-12-17 17:18:35 -0500]:
> > The short answer is that for Sendmail you need to use the Generic
> > Tables.  In the end it is often easier to switch to Postfix.  The
> > support for virtual domains on Postfix is much better than for Sendmail
> 
>   He's asking about the email as it displays on the web pages; wouldn't
> this be a Mailman config issue rather than an MTA issue?
> 
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From stevelu at amamedia.org  Wed Dec 18 04:43:17 2002
From: stevelu at amamedia.org (Stephen Lu)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:43:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Jaguar command lines trouble
Message-ID: <BA254AF5.5920%stevelu@amamedia.org>

MacOS X 10.2.2
Mailman 2.0.13
Python 2.2
Sendmail 8.12.2

When I try to use add_members or remove_members via command lines instead of
going through the web interface, the process hangs up and doesn't respond.
When I cancel out of there, and try to sign in through the web interface, it
also hangs and just waits for the server to respond. Other command line
processes seem to respond fine still.

However, I can sign into other lists and work with other lists fine via the
web, only the list that I was working with using add_members or
remove_members command does not respond. I checked the list's db with
check_db, and that said the dbs were fine.

I checked for processes, ps -axg, but showed no unusual processes except for
one:

PID  TT  STAT      TIME  COMMAND
391 con- Z      0:00.00  (write_store)

which I don't believe I've ever seen before. Try killing it says "No such
process."

Please help. Do I have to redo the list?

Steve



From john at io.com  Wed Dec 18 05:00:06 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:00:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domain HOW TO/FAQ/support
In-Reply-To: <1040182092.1618.120.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <4547.192.168.1.203.1039887521.squirrel@odyssey.co.ug>
	<1040163518.1622.111.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com> <20021218014503.GC32038@io.com>
	<1040182092.1618.120.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021218040006.GF32038@io.com>

* Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> [2002-12-17 22:28:08 -0500]:
> Good point, he did specifically mention the web pages - so why didn't
> you answer the question...?

  Well, mostly it's because most of the best answers on this list come
from you, so I half-assumed my answer was misguided (I know it isn't
wrong, because I have Mailman working using sendmail without having
edited genericstable).  Secondarily because I didn't know the answer.
:)

> The best answer on the web page displays is to use the latest beta which
> has better support for virtual domains.

  Personally, I'm not really much help on this, due to the fact that it
just worked "out of the box" for me.  I'm using the hostname
"lists.domain.com" instead of the machine's primary name and it works
OK; I had to configure Mailman to use this hostname, but I didn't have
to do any fancy footwork with it or the MTA... 

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From mat.harris at genestate.com  Wed Dec 18 10:33:42 2002
From: mat.harris at genestate.com (Mat Harris)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:33:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation trouble
Message-ID: <20021218093342.GA25851@genestate.com>

i have just installed mailman 2.0.13-1 from the redhat 7.3 rpms onto my
redhat 7.3 box.

I have created a virtual domain in apache set to run as user mailman and
group mailman.

If i try to access the test.cgi script under normal cgi i get internal
server error (permission denied) but with mode_perl i get the env test page.

however any attempt to access any of the python programs and I get internal
server error:

Unrecognized character \x7F at /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi line 1.

what does this mean and how can I get rid of it. It is not unique to this
install either. i have had the same problem two other times I have tried to
put it on other machines (and given up)


thanks in advance

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From christophw at alphasierrapapa.com  Wed Dec 18 14:12:45 2002
From: christophw at alphasierrapapa.com (Christoph Wille)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:12:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with arch (v2.0.13)
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20021218140734.03b55060@mail.alphasierrapapa.com>

I got errors in my logs saying that the archives could not be created - 
therefore I tried to manually re-create the archives:

[root at domain bin]# python arch coffeehouse
figuring article archives
2002-December
figuring article archives
2002-December
figuring article archives
2002-December
Traceback (innermost last):
   File "arch", line 129, in ?
     main()
   File "arch", line 118, in main
     archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 526, in 
processUnixMailbox
     a = articleClass(m, self.sequence)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 204, in __init__
     i = result.end(0)
NameError: restlt

The information isn't exactly helpful because it doesn't tell me on which 
line of the mailbox it does stop (those are German lists, so you have 
umlauts etc.). Some people also get an error like this:

    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post coffeehouse"
     (reason: 1)
     (expanded from: <coffeehouse at glengamoi.com>)

    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 33, in ?
     from Mailman import MailList
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 36, in ?
     from Mailman import Utils
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 33, in ?
     import cgi
   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/cgi.py", line 1083, in ?
     class FormContentDict:
   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/cgi.py", line 1096, in FormContentDict
     def __init__(self, environ=os.environ):
AttributeError: environ
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1

MTA used is SendMail (check_perms and check_db don't report problems) - 
anyone have ideas what might be causing these errors?

Chris



From ezra at cfi.co.ug  Wed Dec 18 15:08:30 2002
From: ezra at cfi.co.ug (Banoba Ezra)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:08:30 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration
Message-ID: <20021218165851.I26620-100000@nemesis.eahd.or.ug>

i've installed mailman on my server andset up a test list.
but when i try to subscribe to the list, and reply the subscription
confirmation, i get back the mailer deamon.
my maillog returns something like this;


 Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 26.  (Reconfigure to take
26?)

and then returns the daemon.
how can i rectify this?
thanks.



From jokech at ke.uu.net  Wed Dec 18 15:10:50 2002
From: jokech at ke.uu.net (Joseph Okech)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:10:50 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration
References: <20021218165851.I26620-100000@nemesis.eahd.or.ug>
Message-ID: <02f101c2a69f$44b7c3e0$5645cac3@uunet.co.ke>

Very common problem with first time installations, have to admin, but it is
because of the configuration options given. Your mail group ID seems to be
6, but the option for --with-mail-gid during your installation must have
been 26. Reconfigure with mail-gid of your system (most likely 6) and all
will be ok.

regards,
Joseph Okech


----- Original Message -----
From: Banoba Ezra <ezra at cfi.co.ug>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration


> i've installed mailman on my server andset up a test list.
> but when i try to subscribe to the list, and reply the subscription
> confirmation, i get back the mailer deamon.
> my maillog returns something like this;
>
>
>  Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 26.  (Reconfigure to take
> 26?)
>
> and then returns the daemon.
> how can i rectify this?
> thanks.
>
>
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http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 18 15:15:33 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Dec 2002 09:15:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Jaguar command lines trouble
In-Reply-To: <BA254AF5.5920%stevelu@amamedia.org>
References: <BA254AF5.5920%stevelu@amamedia.org>
Message-ID: <1040220937.2093.0.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Look for lock files in ~mailman/locks

On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 22:43, Stephen Lu wrote:
> MacOS X 10.2.2
> Mailman 2.0.13
> Python 2.2
> Sendmail 8.12.2
> 
> When I try to use add_members or remove_members via command lines instead of
> going through the web interface, the process hangs up and doesn't respond.
> When I cancel out of there, and try to sign in through the web interface, it
> also hangs and just waits for the server to respond. Other command line
> processes seem to respond fine still.
> 
> However, I can sign into other lists and work with other lists fine via the
> web, only the list that I was working with using add_members or
> remove_members command does not respond. I checked the list's db with
> check_db, and that said the dbs were fine.
> 
> I checked for processes, ps -axg, but showed no unusual processes except for
> one:
> 
> PID  TT  STAT      TIME  COMMAND
> 391 con- Z      0:00.00  (write_store)
> 
> which I don't believe I've ever seen before. Try killing it says "No such
> process."
> 
> Please help. Do I have to redo the list?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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From guru at claystuckey.com  Wed Dec 18 15:35:22 2002
From: guru at claystuckey.com (Clay Stuckey)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:35:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error - User unknown
Message-ID: <001a01c2a6a2$b41234c0$4101a8c0@chacity.org>

When I send an email to a new list on a new install, I get the following error:

The original message was received at Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:32:11 -0500
from apache at localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<admin at chacity.org>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 <admin at chacity.org>... User unknown)
    (expanded from: <admin at chacity.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to localhost.localdomain.:
>>> DATA
<<< 550 5.1.1 <admin at chacity.org>... User unknown
550 5.1.1 <admin at chacity.org>... User unknown
<<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient)


I installed using --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail. I have Redhat 8.0, apache, sendmail. I am not using the RPM version. I installed this with the .tar.gz version.
I can create lists. I can see the webpage. When I add a user to the list, the user gets an email. The only problem is when an email is sent to the server. It is as iff sendmail doesn't know that this acct is for mailman. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!


Clay Stuckey
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 18 16:04:21 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 18 Dec 2002 10:04:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error - User unknown
In-Reply-To: <001a01c2a6a2$b41234c0$4101a8c0@chacity.org>
References: <001a01c2a6a2$b41234c0$4101a8c0@chacity.org>
Message-ID: <1040223864.2116.3.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

When you created the newlist the command printed out some aliases that
needed to be added to /etc/aliases.  Did you in fact add those aliases
to that file?  If so, did you then run "newaliases" so that sendmail was
made aware of the changes?

Jon Carnes

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 09:35, Clay Stuckey wrote:
> When I send an email to a new list on a new install, I get the following error:
> 
> The original message was received at Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:32:11 -0500
> from apache at localhost
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <admin at chacity.org>
>     (reason: 550 5.1.1 <admin at chacity.org>... User unknown)
>     (expanded from: <admin at chacity.org>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to localhost.localdomain.:
> >>> DATA
> <<< 550 5.1.1 <admin at chacity.org>... User unknown
> 550 5.1.1 <admin at chacity.org>... User unknown
> <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient)
> 
> 
> I installed using --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-mail-gid=mail. I have Redhat 8.0, apache, sendmail. I am not using the RPM version. I installed this with the .tar.gz version.
> I can create lists. I can see the webpage. When I add a user to the list, the user gets an email. The only problem is when an email is sent to the server. It is as iff sendmail doesn't know that this acct is for mailman. Any help is greatly appreciated!!!
> 
> 
> Clay Stuckey
> ----
> 

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From ziad at wads.com  Wed Dec 18 16:12:35 2002
From: ziad at wads.com (Ziad Sidawi)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:12:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing thru Email without requiring
	confirmation.
Message-ID: <AFEOIMMCGPPKAPMAJEHMAENPCMAA.ziad@wads.com>

Dear list members,
I would like to keep the confirmation part when someone subscribe...
However, is there a way where a special email can be send to the Mailman
where confirmation of the user is not required?

let me explain: I have a shopping cart program, and when a user completes
his order, I want to issue an email to subscribe this user to the mailing
list without having the mailing list sending the user an email to confirm.
On the same hand, I do not want to disable the functionality of confirmation
if a user tries to subscribe to the mailing list.

I have worked in the past with a program, where emails with a [password] in
the subject area, would be verified and if correct (pas for admin) then this
email is treated as coming from the admin, and hence the user is registered
without requiring confirmation email.

Any ideas?

Ziad



From benas at transtrado.lt  Wed Dec 18 16:05:15 2002
From: benas at transtrado.lt (Benas Adomavicius)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:05:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unusual problem configuring mailman 2.1b6
Message-ID: <BLEGJEDLMCLOCNNMFMBKKEGMFEAA.benas@transtrado.lt>

Hi all,

Calling for help from you as it seems I have run out of ideas. Basic issue
is as follows: installed mailman 2.1b6 from an rpm on Mandrake 9.0 system
with postfix. Updated Python (using 2.2.14) to include distutils package.
Mailman installs fine, no errors reported. Web administration interface
works like a charm. When trying to send messages to test list, they
accumulate inside "in" directory. Attempts to run qrunner manually have
resulted in following error:

# /usr/bin/python -S /var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
    from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File
"/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hand
lerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

By the way there is no such directory as "/home/vdanen" on my system. I have
gone so far as to extract pythonlib.StringIO.py from an older mailman2.0.13
rpm package and placed it in /var/lib/mailman/pythonlib. However qrunner
keeps on returning this message.  I would appreciate any clues or ideas you
might have.

Sincerely,
Ben

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From hans at deragon.biz  Wed Dec 18 16:16:48 2002
From: hans at deragon.biz (Hans Deragon)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:16:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Wrapper does not seem to do anything.]
Message-ID: <3E009160.3070305@deragon.biz>

Ok, I did not got any response for my previous post, so I will 
rephrase a bit.

Is there anyway I can enable debug traces in the wrapper so I can 
figure out why it does not do anything?  If it is rejecting the email, 
I would like to see the wrapper informing so and the reason.

I ran strace and found out that there was some permission problems 
(but the wrapper just stop, without issuing an error message).  I 
manually chmoded the files and then it got further, but my user still 
is not registered as a subscriber.  And when I rerun the wrapper 
another time, the permission problem reoccured.  Mailman seems to 
change the permissions on the fly.  Here is the permission error:

write(2, "[Errno 13] Permission denied: \'/"..., 83[Errno 13] 
Permission denied: 
'/perm/system/internet/mailman/lists/testa/config.db') = 83

I fetch my mail using fetchmail and procmail using another user.  Is 
it possible to ask mailman to ignore permissions and just leave them 
they are?  Its for my home and I do not need rocket security, but I 
need a mailing list that works.

I think I will use the same user/group to fetch my mail and have 
mailman running under, but it is not an ideal solution.


Sincerely,
Hans Deragon

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Wrapper does not seem to do anything.
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:54:18 -0500
From: Hans Deragon <hans at deragon.biz>
To: mailman-users at python.org

Greetings.


    I receive an email which I pass to the mailman wrapper with the
following command:

cat reply1.txt | /var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testa

    reply1.txt is a text file containing the message of a reply to a
subscribtion notice.  But wrapper does not seem to do anything.  The
user is not subscribed and no logs are to be found under
/var/log/maillog.  Any suggestions?

    BTW, if I call wrapper with bad arguments, it complains in
/var/log/maillog, so I know that I am looking at the right place for logs.


Sincerely,
Hans Deragon.

ANNEXE:

    Following is the message passed to wrapper (reply1.txt):

-------------------------------
Return-Path: <hans at deragon.biz>
Received: from pop1.sympatico.ca [209.226.175.83]
	by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.0.0)
	for deragon-imap at localhost (single-drop); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:39:03
-0500 (EST)
Received: from eforward3.enom.com ([63.251.83.39])
            by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net
            (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with
ESMTP
            id
<20021217173824.LBFR10601.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net at eforward3.enom.com>
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Message-ID: <3DFF611F.8040502 at deragon.biz>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:38:39 -0500
From: Hans Deragon <hans at deragon.biz>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1)
Gecko/20020826
X-Accept-Language: fr-CA,fr,en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: testa-request at deragon.biz
Subject: Re: Testa -- confirmation of subscription -- request 644692
References: <20021217170204.9309.98445.Mailman at localhost.localdomain>
X-Enigmail-Version: 0.65.2.0
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	      SPAM_PHRASE_13_21,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,
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testa-request at deragon.biz wrote:
  > Testa -- confirmation of subscription -- request 644692
  >
  > We have received a request from 65.92.185.125 for subscription of your
  > email address, <hans at deragon.biz>, to the testa at deragon.biz mailing
  > list.  To confirm the request, please send a message to
  > testa-request at deragon.biz, and either:
  >
  > - maintain the subject line as is (the reply's additional "Re:" is
  > ok),
  >
  > - or include the following line - and only the following line - in the
  > message body:
  >
  > confirm 644692
  >
  > (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email
  > interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right
  > form.)
  >
  > If you do not wish to subscribe to this list, please simply disregard
  > this message.  Send questions to testa-admin at deragon.biz.
  >






From ed at leafe.com  Wed Dec 18 16:28:04 2002
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing thru Email without requiring
	confirmation.
In-Reply-To: <AFEOIMMCGPPKAPMAJEHMAENPCMAA.ziad@wads.com>
Message-ID: <4CF4B570-129D-11D7-A9D8-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 10:12  AM, Ziad Sidawi wrote:

> I would like to keep the confirmation part when someone subscribe...
> However, is there a way where a special email can be send to the 
> Mailman
> where confirmation of the user is not required?

	Can you call the add_members script from your web program?

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     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
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  http://foxcentral.net




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Dec 18 16:37:16 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 18 Dec 2002 16:37:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] See bounce message?
In-Reply-To: Alexander Skwar's message of "Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:42:36 +0100"
References: <20021121054236.GS8529@teich.Garten.DigitalProjects.com>
Message-ID: <m3ptrznxsj.fsf@mailman.charite.de>

Alexander Skwar <lists.ASkwar at email-server.info> writes:

> Lately mails from my list to users of a certain domain keep on bouncing.
> Is it possible for me, the list admin, to see the bounce message, so
> that I might be able to fix the problem which is causing these bounces?

/etc/aliases

liste-admin:     alex,"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner liste"

# newaliases


Detlef Neubauer
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From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Wed Dec 18 16:46:13 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:46:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing thru Email without requiring
  confirmation.
In-Reply-To: <AFEOIMMCGPPKAPMAJEHMAENPCMAA.ziad@wads.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021218154529.0258aa60@server01>

I'm also very keen on this.

Cheers

Brian


At 15:12 18/12/2002, Ziad Sidawi wrote:
>Dear list members,
>I would like to keep the confirmation part when someone subscribe...
>However, is there a way where a special email can be send to the Mailman
>where confirmation of the user is not required?
>
>let me explain: I have a shopping cart program, and when a user completes
>his order, I want to issue an email to subscribe this user to the mailing
>list without having the mailing list sending the user an email to confirm.
>On the same hand, I do not want to disable the functionality of confirmation
>if a user tries to subscribe to the mailing list.
>
>I have worked in the past with a program, where emails with a [password] in
>the subject area, would be verified and if correct (pas for admin) then this
>email is treated as coming from the admin, and hence the user is registered
>without requiring confirmation email.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Ziad
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users mailing list
>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>This message was sent to: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk
>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brianr%40bjsystems.co.uk

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From quick at cxss.com  Wed Dec 18 17:00:39 2002
From: quick at cxss.com (Scott Treppa)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:00:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing users from a web form.
Message-ID: <004001c2a6ae$9cc7b810$ea3f16c6@Fallen>

Greetings,

I have a client that wants to have a web form subscribe users to the list if they choose. I currently have his script sending an email to the request address to subscribe. I added the "Accepted: <list-password>" line but it is still coming up in the Administrative Tasks. Shouldn't this automatically accept them? If so, is there a setting I'm missing? ANy help would be appreciated! Thanks!

Scott Treppa
Purple Hat Communications, LLC
www.purplehat.net
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From ezra at cfi.co.ug  Wed Dec 18 16:04:21 2002
From: ezra at cfi.co.ug (Banoba Ezra)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:04:21 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration
In-Reply-To: <02f101c2a69f$44b7c3e0$5645cac3@uunet.co.ke>
Message-ID: <20021218180232.W1137-100000@nemesis.eahd.or.ug>

thanks.

does this mean redoing the installation all over again?




From ziad at wads.com  Wed Dec 18 18:48:53 2002
From: ziad at wads.com (Ziad Sidawi)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:48:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing thru Email without requiring
	confirmation.
In-Reply-To: <4CF4B570-129D-11D7-A9D8-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <AFEOIMMCGPPKAPMAJEHMCEODCMAA.ziad@wads.com>

Well I tried it, with the following example
 <form action="http://www.wads.com/mailman/admin/xshoplist/members"
method="POST">
	  <textarea NAME=subscribees ROWS=10 COLS=60></textarea>
	  <input name="send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch" type="Hidden" value="0" >
	   <input type=SUBMIT value="  OK  " name="SUBMIT">
	  </FORM>

However, this does not work- since it will bring you to the password
protected Xshoplist Administrative Authentication page-

I guess I will take my question to the development mailing list, adn see if
they can help.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Leafe [mailto:ed at leafe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:28 AM
To: Ziad Sidawi
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribing thru Email without requiring
confirmation.


On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 10:12  AM, Ziad Sidawi wrote:

> I would like to keep the confirmation part when someone subscribe...
> However, is there a way where a special email can be send to the
> Mailman
> where confirmation of the user is not required?

	Can you call the add_members script from your web program?

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     /
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   /
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From ed at leafe.com  Wed Dec 18 18:54:16 2002
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:54:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing thru Email without requiring
	confirmation.
In-Reply-To: <AFEOIMMCGPPKAPMAJEHMCEODCMAA.ziad@wads.com>
Message-ID: <B9DBD122-12B1-11D7-A9D8-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 12:48  PM, Ziad Sidawi wrote:

> Well I tried it, with the following example
>  <form action="http://www.wads.com/mailman/admin/xshoplist/members"
> method="POST">
> 	  <textarea NAME=subscribees ROWS=10 COLS=60></textarea>
> 	  <input name="send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch" type="Hidden" 
> value="0" >
> 	   <input type=SUBMIT value="  OK  " name="SUBMIT">
> 	  </FORM>
>
> However, this does not work- since it will bring you to the password
> protected Xshoplist Administrative Authentication page-
>
> I guess I will take my question to the development mailing list, adn 
> see if
> they can help.

	I didn't mean to use the web page directly! Have your shopping cart 
script call the add_members script (located at [mailman home 
dir]/bin/add_members) along with the names you wish to add. No web 
interface required.

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    __/
   /
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  http://leafe.com/
  http://foxcentral.net




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Wed Dec 18 19:41:40 2002
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:41:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman configuration
In-Reply-To: <02f101c2a69f$44b7c3e0$5645cac3@uunet.co.ke>
References: <20021218165851.I26620-100000@nemesis.eahd.or.ug>
 <02f101c2a69f$44b7c3e0$5645cac3@uunet.co.ke>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0212181040290.25842-100000@gort.cjb.net>

On Dec 18, 2002 at 17:10, Joseph Okech wrote:

>Very common problem with first time installations, have to admin, but it is
>because of the configuration options given. Your mail group ID seems to be
>6, but the option for --with-mail-gid during your installation must have
>been 26. Reconfigure with mail-gid of your system (most likely 6) and all
>will be ok.

Actually, it's the other way. The OP should reconfigure with
--with-mail-gid=26.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: Banoba Ezra <ezra at cfi.co.ug>
>>  Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 26.  (Reconfigure to take
>> 26?)

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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Wed Dec 18 21:49:57 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 18 Dec 2002 15:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Wrapper does not seem to do anything.]
In-Reply-To: <3E009160.3070305@deragon.biz>
References: <3E009160.3070305@deragon.biz>
Message-ID: <1040244602.24485.64.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:16, Hans Deragon wrote:
> 
> I ran strace and found out that there was some permission problems 
> (but the wrapper just stop, without issuing an error message).  I 
> manually chmoded the files and then it got further, but my user still 
> is not registered as a subscriber.  And when I rerun the wrapper 
> another time, the permission problem reoccured.  Mailman seems to 
> change the permissions on the fly.  Here is the permission error:
> 
> write(2, "[Errno 13] Permission denied: \'/"..., 83[Errno 13] 
> Permission denied: 
> '/perm/system/internet/mailman/lists/testa/config.db') = 83

Have you tried running bin/check_perms -f ?
(You may need to run it several times for it to fix all the permissions
problems.)

--Jeremy



From dreamboy at aros.net  Thu Dec 19 00:13:27 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:13:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ValueError: bad marshal data
Message-ID: <3E010117.5070907@aros.net>


Dear Mailman users,

Just a few minutes ago I noticed that my mailinglist manager start
complaining about this every minute. It appears this error happens
when /usr/local/bin/python1.5 -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner and
gate_news is ran. I'm using Mailman 2.0.13. Any ideas what is wrong?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 40, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 36, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 40, in ?
    from Mailman import Errors
ValueError: bad marshal data


Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Devin Atencio





From mjo at kalico.net  Wed Dec 18 23:16:37 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:16:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Creating announce-only list
Message-ID: <3E00F3C5.8020909@kalico.net>

Hi,
I'm new to the list. Just read this in the archive:

>> Your list "mailman announce" is a read only, but I couldn't find the read
>> only option in the program. Checked out the FAQ and searchable archive and
>> nothing came up.
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

I read the FAQ, and have questions.

-- I want to hide the list address, so no one can post to it. don't want 
to have a bunch of admin requests to deal with from people sending 
posts. Is there a way to automatically reject all incoming messages? 
(using version 2.0.13)

-- Is there any way to change the message text that is sent to new 
subscribers? The basic text includes "to send a message to this list..." 
and the list address.

Thanks!
Marci :)
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From dan.mick at sun.com  Wed Dec 18 23:40:48 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:40:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1
 beta 6
In-Reply-To: <15862.38360.272912.231108@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <15862.38360.272912.231108@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<2147483647.1039981863@[66.45.99.179]>
Message-ID: <3E00F970.9050107@sun.com>

Scott R. Every wrote:

> does version 2.1 have any good way to export all the email addresses
> EXCEPT the ones with the nomail option set?  using list_members gives
> ALL the emails regardless of whether this field is set.

 From the usage message:

--nomail[=why] / -n [why]
     Print the members that have delivery disabled.  Optional argument can
     be "byadmin", "byuser", "bybounce", or "unknown" which prints just the
     users who have delivery disabled for that reason.  It can also be
     "enabled" which prints just those member for whom delivery is
     enabled.



From hans at deragon.biz  Wed Dec 18 23:55:27 2002
From: hans at deragon.biz (Hans Deragon)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:55:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Wrapper does not seem to do anything.]
References: <3E009160.3070305@deragon.biz>
	<1040244602.24485.64.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>
Message-ID: <3E00FCDF.5020905@deragon.biz>

Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-12-18 at 10:16, Hans Deragon wrote:
> 
>>I ran strace and found out that there was some permission problems 
>>(but the wrapper just stop, without issuing an error message).  I 
>>manually chmoded the files and then it got further, but my user still 
>>is not registered as a subscriber.  And when I rerun the wrapper 
>>another time, the permission problem reoccured.  Mailman seems to 
>>change the permissions on the fly.  Here is the permission error:
>>
>>write(2, "[Errno 13] Permission denied: \'/"..., 83[Errno 13] 
>>Permission denied: 
>>'/perm/system/internet/mailman/lists/testa/config.db') = 83
> 
> 
> Have you tried running bin/check_perms -f ?
> (You may need to run it several times for it to fix all the permissions
> problems.)
> 
> --Jeremy
> 

Yep, no problem with check_perms.  Now I assigned the same user id as 
I use to collect my mail using fetchmail and procmail to mailman, 
recompiled and reinstalled everything from scratch, and now it finally 
works.

Sincerely,
Hans Deragon



From doug at corelis.com  Thu Dec 19 02:09:55 2002
From: doug at corelis.com (Doug Brandon)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:09:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - tweaking Mailman and .py files
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>

Mailman is my first exposure to Python.  I've installed Mailman 2.1b6 and 
have it running fine.  I've looked through FAQs and list archives, and am 
posting here as a last resort.  Sorry for the newbie question.  :)

I'm tweaking Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py to experiment with the headers 
on a few announce-only lists which I have created.  I'm 99% sure that the 
changes I'm making should result in visible changes.  In particular, I'm 
using personalized mode and trying to get rid of the "Cc:list at domain.com" 
that mailman automatically inserts.  Anyway, after tweaking the .py file, I 
run python to make sure the .pyc is updated.  I figured this is all I would 
have to do, but no matter what I do, I can't seem to make Mailman see any 
of my changes.  Even something simple like commenting out the 
X-Mailman-Version tag insertion doesn't work.

I'm probably missing a very obvious step, but I can't figure it out!

Thanks,
    Doug





From dan.mick at sun.com  Thu Dec 19 02:29:42 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:29:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - tweaking Mailman and .py files
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>
Message-ID: <3E012106.9060500@sun.com>

Doug Brandon wrote:

> Mailman is my first exposure to Python.  I've installed Mailman 2.1b6
> and have it running fine.  I've looked through FAQs and list archives,
> and am posting here as a last resort.  Sorry for the newbie question.  :)
>
> I'm tweaking Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py to experiment with the
> headers on a few announce-only lists which I have created.  I'm 99% sure
> that the changes I'm making should result in visible changes.  In
> particular, I'm using personalized mode and trying to get rid of the
> "Cc:list at domain.com" that mailman automatically inserts.  Anyway, after
> tweaking the .py file, I run python to make sure the .pyc is updated.

You don't need to do that; it's automagic.  If you're paranoid, just delete 
the .pyc.

> I
> figured this is all I would have to do, but no matter what I do, I can't
> seem to make Mailman see any of my changes.  Even something simple like
> commenting out the X-Mailman-Version tag insertion doesn't work.
>
> I'm probably missing a very obvious step, but I can't figure it out!

Mailman is all daemons now.  Stop and restart with mailmanctl.




From doug at corelis.com  Thu Dec 19 02:39:03 2002
From: doug at corelis.com (Doug Brandon)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 17:39:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question - tweaking Mailman and .py
  files
In-Reply-To: <3E012106.9060500@sun.com>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218173348.00b02ff8@corelis.com>

Like I said, I'm sure I was missing an obvious step.  :)  Thanks a lot Dan!

For the person that wanted to know how to get rid of the list address Cc in 
personalized mode, this worked for me.  Go into Handlers/CookHeaders.py and 
look for this section of code:

         if mlist.personalize == 2 and mlist.reply_goes_to_list <> 1:
             # Watch out for existing Cc headers, merge, and remove dups.  Note
             # that RFC 2822 says only zero or one Cc header is allowed.
             new = []
             d = {}
             for pair in getaddresses(msg.get_all('cc', [])):
                 add(pair)
             i18ndesc = uheader(mlist, mlist.description)
             add((str(i18ndesc), mlist.GetListEmail()))
             del msg['Cc']
             msg['Cc'] = COMMASPACE.join([formataddr(pair) for pair in new])


Just comment out the last line, and restart the daemon.



At 05:29 PM 12/18/2002 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
 >> I
 >> figured this is all I would have to do, but no matter what I do, I can't
 >> seem to make Mailman see any of my changes.  Even something simple like
 >> commenting out the X-Mailman-Version tag insertion doesn't work.
 >>
 >> I'm probably missing a very obvious step, but I can't figure it out!
 >
 >Mailman is all daemons now.  Stop and restart with mailmanctl.



From mjo at kalico.net  Thu Dec 19 03:14:31 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:14:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V. 2.16b+
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>
	<5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>
	<5.1.1.6.2.20021218173348.00b02ff8@corelis.com>
Message-ID: <3E012B87.1070006@kalico.net>

I'm curious....just how good (or not) is v. 2.16+? I have seen on the 
web site that it's not ready for prime time, but it sounds like a lot of 
people are using it actively.

Marci :)



From saqibfobia at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 19 04:26:29 2002
From: saqibfobia at yahoo.com (Saqib Ali)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 19:26:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the message at the botton of the email
Message-ID: <20021219032629.66978.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

How do you change the message at the bottom of the
email, that mailman appends to the message. Currently
my users see the following message:

-----------------------
test-list mailing list
test-list at my.server.com
http://my.server.com/mailman/listinfo/test-list
-------------------

I want to change the message to customize and make it
more descriptive.


Thanks
Saqib Ali

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From mjo at kalico.net  Thu Dec 19 05:06:45 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the message at the botton of the email
References: <20021219032629.66978.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E0145D5.4050900@kalico.net>

Go to your "Regular-member (non-digest) Options " section of the admin 
area, and you'll see "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members" 
as the last option you can configure.  There is a similar option in the 
"Digest member options" page.
Hope that helps,
Marci :)

Saqib Ali wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> How do you change the message at the bottom of the
> email, that mailman appends to the message. Currently
> my users see the following message:
> 
> -----------------------
> test-list mailing list
> test-list at my.server.com
> http://my.server.com/mailman/listinfo/test-list
> -------------------
> 
> I want to change the message to customize and make it
> more descriptive.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Saqib Ali
> 
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From simonchan at shaolinmicro.com  Thu Dec 19 05:47:27 2002
From: simonchan at shaolinmicro.com (Simon Chan)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:47:27 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change subscribe ack email content
Message-ID: <3E014F5F.6020001@shaolinmicro.com>

Dear,

I want to change the subscribe ack. email content,. I don't want to display

To post this message, send your email to:

%(emailaddr)s


in such mailing lists and want to display it in others.

I just find the template subscribeack.txt to modify the whole template.

Anyone can help me.

Regards

Simon.



From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Thu Dec 19 08:17:43 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:17:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1b6 and postfix
Message-ID: <200212190917.43290.r2d2@yebo.co.za>

Hi all

I'm setting up MM 2.1b6 on a test system that has Postfix already installed. 
My production box runs MM 2.0.13 and sendmail but I want to move away from 
sendmail. 

I have not used Postfix before and would appreciate it if someone could point 
me to an easy howto regarding setting up MM and postfix with multiple virtual 
domains. ie list.mydomain.com and list.yourdomain.com. Everything is 
installed, I just need a couple of pointers on setting up the MTA. 

Thanks in advance!

-- 
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./JvdW

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From r2d2 at yebo.co.za  Thu Dec 19 13:27:12 2002
From: r2d2 at yebo.co.za (JvdW)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:27:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1b6 and postfix
In-Reply-To: <200212190917.43290.r2d2@yebo.co.za>
References: <200212190917.43290.r2d2@yebo.co.za>
Message-ID: <200212191427.12217.r2d2@yebo.co.za>

Hi all

I managed to get my MM and postfix working, but I have another question. How 
would I include the info below in the footer of all the messages?? This 
option is set in the Non-digest and digest menu, but what would the format 
be? The first part is standard with all new lists, but the last part where 
the email address and URL is included...how would I add that?

---cut---
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: r2d2 at yebo.co.za
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/r2d2%40yebo.co.za

---cut---

Thanks!

-- 
l8r 
./Jasper 

"Sushi - Known to the rest of the world as 'Bait'."
 



From clay at hsdglobal.com  Wed Dec 18 15:19:00 2002
From: clay at hsdglobal.com (clay at hsdglobal.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:19:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail problem - User unknown
Message-ID: <2321.66.83.225.130.1040221140.squirrel@www.hsdglobal.com>

I just installed mailman on Redhat Linux 8.0. Since I saw no documentation
for the RPM version included, I uninstalled that and went the manual way.
I installed with: ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache. My web pages work
fine. I did see an option for --with-mail-gid. I did not use that as I did
not know the gid for sendmail. I looked in /etc/passwd and did not see a
user "sendmail". When I create a list, I get an email sent. I assume that
the message is being sent from the shell. When I try to send a message to
the list I created I get this reply:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<test1 at roll.chacity.org>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 <test1 at roll.chacity.org>... User unknown)
    (expanded from: <test1 at roll.chacity.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
.... while talking to localhost.localdomain.:
>>> DATA
<<< 550 5.1.1 <test1 at roll.chacity.org>... User unknown
550 5.1.1 <test1 at roll.chacity.org>... User unknown
<<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient)


/var/log/messages and maillog don't show anything of interest. Help!!!


Clay Stuckey





From Jared.Rhoads at FMR.COM  Tue Dec 17 22:08:38 2002
From: Jared.Rhoads at FMR.COM (Rhoads, Jared)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:08:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman install without command line access?
Message-ID: <763C275E6A1C2248AFD475237AD6135B0263CBF2@MSGBOS576NTS.fmr.com>

Hello,

I really want to run Mailman (it is exactly what I have been looking for),
but I run my site on hosted webspace, not my own box.  I can probably get
the hosting service to add a user/group, but I can't execute the other
install commands because they don't give me access to a command line.  They
do support Python, have sendmail, and everything else, though.  Is there a
way that I can install Mailman, or am I doomed?  If I am doomed, do you know
of any other comparable mailing lists that offer the digest feature?

Thanks so much!
-Jared



From kirsh_harris at asianminds.com  Thu Dec 19 10:12:27 2002
From: kirsh_harris at asianminds.com (Krish Harris)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:42:27 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
Message-ID: <000001c2a73e$c39d92d0$d70d41db@aadarsh>

Both the below options are very useful -- but if they work!!!

> List-Unsubscribe:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> 
> That provides the link and ability to send email and get unsubscribed.


I tried using the second option (sending a mail to
mailman-users-request at python.org with unsubscribe in subject) but did
not get unsubscribed nor did I receive any message. --?????

Also I tried the first option but it unnecessary gives you prompt for
putting your email address. Is it possible that user automatically gets
the second screen and he just have to click unsubscribe?


The above two options if they work, are very useful if you are running a
mailing list sole for marketing purpose and where password for
individual subscriber are not required at all.


Regards,
saurabh


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+krish_harris=asianminds.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+krish_harris=asianminds.com at python.org]
On
> Behalf Of Matthew Davis
> Sent: 17 December 2002 23:41
> To: Krish Harris
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
> 
> * Krish Harris (kirsh_harris at asianminds.com) wrote:
> >
> > If we want to provide unsubscribe option to mailing list members
through
> > replying of the mail and they just type unsubscribe in the subject
--
> > how is this possible in mailman?
> 
> In the headers put in by mailman, you can see this.
> 
> List-Unsubscribe:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> 
> That provides the link and ability to send email and get unsubscribed.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------
> | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
> |--------------------------------------------|
> | Tuesday, December 17, 2002 / 01:09PM       |
> ----------------------------------------------
> I know it all. I just can't remember it all at once.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-
> users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: krish_harris at asianminds.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-
> users/krish_harris%40asianminds.com




From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Thu Dec 19 16:42:22 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail problem - User unknown
In-Reply-To: <2321.66.83.225.130.1040221140.squirrel@www.hsdglobal.com>;
	from clay@hsdglobal.com on Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:19:00AM -0500
References: <2321.66.83.225.130.1040221140.squirrel@www.hsdglobal.com>
Message-ID: <20021219104222.A1749@dogpound.vnet.net>

Check http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg13830.html
Check FAQ (see footer of this email)
Check Archives (see footer of this email)

* clay at hsdglobal.com (clay at hsdglobal.com) wrote:
> I just installed mailman on Redhat Linux 8.0. Since I saw no documentation
> for the RPM version included, I uninstalled that and went the manual way.
> I installed with: ./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache. My web pages work
> fine. I did see an option for --with-mail-gid. I did not use that as I did
> not know the gid for sendmail. I looked in /etc/passwd and did not see a
> user "sendmail". When I create a list, I get an email sent. I assume that
> the message is being sent from the shell. When I try to send a message to
> the list I created I get this reply:
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <test1 at roll.chacity.org>
>     (reason: 550 5.1.1 <test1 at roll.chacity.org>... User unknown)
>     (expanded from: <test1 at roll.chacity.org>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> .... while talking to localhost.localdomain.:
> >>> DATA
> <<< 550 5.1.1 <test1 at roll.chacity.org>... User unknown
> 550 5.1.1 <test1 at roll.chacity.org>... User unknown
> <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient)
> 
> 
> /var/log/messages and maillog don't show anything of interest. Help!!!
> 
> 
> Clay Stuckey


----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Thursday, December 19, 2002 / 10:39AM      |
----------------------------------------------
How do you write zero in Roman numerals?


From mat.harris at genestate.com  Thu Dec 19 18:09:00 2002
From: mat.harris at genestate.com (Mat Harris)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:09:00 +0000
Subject: (forw) [mat.harris@genestate.com: [Mailman-Users] installation
	trouble]
Message-ID: <20021219170900.GA4437@genestate.com>

i have to forward this to the list again as it is a very urgent problem and
no-one answered last time.

thanks

----- Forwarded message from Mat Harris <mat.harris at genestate.com> -----

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:33:42 +0000
From: Mat Harris <mat.harris at genestate.com>
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation trouble

i have just installed mailman 2.0.13-1 from the redhat 7.3 rpms onto my
redhat 7.3 box.

I have created a virtual domain in apache set to run as user mailman and
group mailman.

If i try to access the test.cgi script under normal cgi i get internal
server error (permission denied) but with mode_perl i get the env test page.

however any attempt to access any of the python programs and I get internal
server error:

Unrecognized character \x7F at /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi line 1.

what does this mean and how can I get rid of it. It is not unique to this
install either. i have had the same problem two other times I have tried to
put it on other machines (and given up)


thanks in advance

-- 
Mat Harris			OpenGPG Public Key ID: C37D57D9
mat.harris at genestate.com	www.genestate.com	
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec 19 19:00:53 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 19 Dec 2002 13:00:53 -0500
Subject: (forw) [mat.harris@genestate.com: [Mailman-Users] installation
	trouble]
In-Reply-To: <20021219170900.GA4437@genestate.com>
References: <20021219170900.GA4437@genestate.com>
Message-ID: <1040320905.1614.15.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Mat, why don't you first install Mailman using the directions, and once
you get it working modify it to do whatever special tasks you have in
mind.

To quote Jeremy Portzer:
To find out information about an RPM's maker, etc., run "rpm -qip
filename.rpm" .  If you run that command on the Red Hat Linux
mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, you'll see a bunch of EXTREMELY important
setup notes -- things you must do after installing the RPM.  Follow
those instructions!  Don't complain if you don't follow them and stuff
doesn't work!  *grin*

If that doesn't resolve your problems, then check out the FAQ entry:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp

Take care - Jon Carnes

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 12:09, Mat Harris wrote:
> i have to forward this to the list again as it is a very urgent problem and
> no-one answered last time.
> 
> thanks
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Mat Harris <mat.harris at genestate.com> -----
> 
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:33:42 +0000
> From: Mat Harris <mat.harris at genestate.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation trouble
> 
> i have just installed mailman 2.0.13-1 from the redhat 7.3 rpms onto my
> redhat 7.3 box.
> 
> I have created a virtual domain in apache set to run as user mailman and
> group mailman.
> 
> If i try to access the test.cgi script under normal cgi i get internal
> server error (permission denied) but with mode_perl i get the env test page.
> 
> however any attempt to access any of the python programs and I get internal
> server error:
> 
> Unrecognized character \x7F at /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi line 1.
> 
> what does this mean and how can I get rid of it. It is not unique to this
> install either. i have had the same problem two other times I have tried to
> put it on other machines (and given up)
> 
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> -- 
> Mat Harris			OpenGPG Public Key ID: C37D57D9
> mat.harris at genestate.com	www.genestate.com	
> ----
> 

> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> Unsubscribe or change your options at
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From mat.harris at genestate.com  Thu Dec 19 19:24:13 2002
From: mat.harris at genestate.com (Mat Harris)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 18:24:13 +0000
Subject: (forw) [mat.harris@genestate.com: [Mailman-Users] installation
	trouble]
In-Reply-To: <1040320905.1614.15.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <20021219170900.GA4437@genestate.com>
	<1040320905.1614.15.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20021219182413.GA6669@genestate.com>

i have already done those instructions and i don't know what you mean by
"any special tasks I have in mind". I thought a working web interface was a
normal feature???

sorry if this sounds like a flame, it isn't but I am really POd with this
thing.

I am sure it is a problem with apache trying to execute the binaries through
an interpreter as opposed to passing them to the shell.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 01:00:53 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Mat, why don't you first install Mailman using the directions, and once
> you get it working modify it to do whatever special tasks you have in
> mind.
> 
> To quote Jeremy Portzer:
> To find out information about an RPM's maker, etc., run "rpm -qip
> filename.rpm" .  If you run that command on the Red Hat Linux
> mailman-2.0.13-1.i386.rpm, you'll see a bunch of EXTREMELY important
> setup notes -- things you must do after installing the RPM.  Follow
> those instructions!  Don't complain if you don't follow them and stuff
> doesn't work!  *grin*
> 
> If that doesn't resolve your problems, then check out the FAQ entry:
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp
> 
> Take care - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 12:09, Mat Harris wrote:
> > i have to forward this to the list again as it is a very urgent problem and
> > no-one answered last time.
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > ----- Forwarded message from Mat Harris <mat.harris at genestate.com> -----
> > 
> > Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:33:42 +0000
> > From: Mat Harris <mat.harris at genestate.com>
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation trouble
> > 
> > i have just installed mailman 2.0.13-1 from the redhat 7.3 rpms onto my
> > redhat 7.3 box.
> > 
> > I have created a virtual domain in apache set to run as user mailman and
> > group mailman.
> > 
> > If i try to access the test.cgi script under normal cgi i get internal
> > server error (permission denied) but with mode_perl i get the env test page.
> > 
> > however any attempt to access any of the python programs and I get internal
> > server error:
> > 
> > Unrecognized character \x7F at /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi line 1.
> > 
> > what does this mean and how can I get rid of it. It is not unique to this
> > install either. i have had the same problem two other times I have tried to
> > put it on other machines (and given up)
> > 
> > 
> > thanks in advance
> > 
> > -- 
> > Mat Harris			OpenGPG Public Key ID: C37D57D9
> > mat.harris at genestate.com	www.genestate.com	
> > ----
> > 
> 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > 
> > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> 

-- 
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mat.harris at genestate.com	www.genestate.com	
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From leo at ktv.se  Thu Dec 19 19:51:34 2002
From: leo at ktv.se (Leo De Geer)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:51:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with mailman2.1b4
Message-ID: <200212191951.34159.leo@ktv.se>

Im runing mailman with sendmail that aliases nead to be configured...... kant 
find the man page for that

REGARDS Leo De geer


From nicks at metrolink.com  Thu Dec 19 20:08:08 2002
From: nicks at metrolink.com (Nick Seidenman)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Separate Sender and Receiver?
Message-ID: <3E021918.10704@metrolink.com>


Has anyone tried a configuration that uses a different host for sending 
outgoing posts than the one receiving the incoming posts?

Nick



From bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt  Thu Dec 19 20:48:12 2002
From: bantonio at di.fc.ul.pt (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Ant=F3nio?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 19:48:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post configuration problem
Message-ID: <3E02227C.2050809@di.fc.ul.pt>

        I have configured mailman and I have everything running except 
the most important thing when a send an e-man to the list, the members 
do not receive the message, the smtp-failure log shows the following.

    Dec 19 19:24:01 2002 (23465) -1 john_doe at hotmail.com (ignore)
    Dec 19 19:24:02 2002 (23464) -1 aretta_frankiln at hotmail.com (ignore)

    The smtp log shows this

    Dec 19 19:43:03 2002 (23704) All recipients refused: (111, 
'Connection refused')
    Dec 19 19:43:03 2002 (23704) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.005 
seconds

    The problem could be the machine, but when i send a mail to someone 
using the mail command that person receives it. I am using a server with 
Red Hat Linux 7.1 and the mailer is sendmail.

    Can someone give me an hint in where the problem is? Thanks in advance.

--
Bruno Ant?nio,
Administra??o de Sistemas do Dep. de Inform?tica da Fac. de Ci?ncias da
Universidade de Lisboa,
Campo Grande Bloco C5 piso 1 sala 5.1.25B 1749-016 Lisboa - Portugal
Tel: +351 217500513 Fax: +351 217500084




From mjo at kalico.net  Thu Dec 19 21:09:55 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:09:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] answers???
Message-ID: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net>

I have seen a lot of questions posted here in the past few days since I 
joined, but no answers. I've personally posted two questions, and have 
received no answers. Are there any list moderators? Anyone to answer 
questions for us newbies?

Marci :)
-- 
Marci O'Daffer, CCE

Managing Director, HostingNorthwest.net
Web Hosting for Pacific Northwest Businesses...and beyond!
Appies(tm) Web Site Manager includes Mailman on all hosting accounts!
http://www.HostingNorthwest.net




From morgan at hahaha.org  Thu Dec 19 21:20:28 2002
From: morgan at hahaha.org (Morgan Fletcher)
Date: 19 Dec 2002 12:20:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] answers???
In-Reply-To: "Marci O'Daffer"'s message of "Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:09:55 -0800"
References: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net>
Message-ID: <jzsd6nxu5f7.fsf@bolt.sonic.net>

"Marci O'Daffer" <mjo at kalico.net> writes:
> I have seen a lot of questions posted here in the past few days since
> I joined, but no answers. I've personally posted two questions, and
> have received no answers. Are there any list moderators? Anyone to
> answer questions for us newbies?

What are your questions again?

Remember, this is free.

> Appies(tm) Web Site Manager includes Mailman on all hosting accounts!
> http://www.HostingNorthwest.net

You're asking for free help for something you then sell. 

:)

I am no expert. I have mailman successfully serving mailing lists, and
I have fallen in enough pits with mailman to know some of the
pitfalls.  

Let's hear those questions again.

Morgan


From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Dec 19 21:37:17 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:37:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V. 2.16b+
References: 
	<5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com><5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com><5.1.1.6.2.20021218173348.00b02ff8@corelis.com>
	<3E012B87.1070006@kalico.net>
Message-ID: <08df01c2a79e$6c223e10$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Marci O'Daffer" <mjo at kalico.net>

> I'm curious....just how good (or not) is v. 2.16+? I have seen on the
> web site that it's not ready for prime time, but it sounds like a lot of
> people are using it actively.

As always do not use a beta on a production environment.
Just wait for 2.1 final and use on production server latest stable version.
(2.0.13).

But if your users dont mind with errors than be my guest and install latest
cvs version :)

Danny.






From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Dec 19 21:41:14 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Creating announce-only list
References: <3E00F3C5.8020909@kalico.net>
Message-ID: <3E022EEA.4060703@pcraft.com>

Marci O'Daffer wrote:

> I read the FAQ, and have questions.
>
> -- I want to hide the list address, so no one can post to it. don't 
> want to have a bunch of admin requests to deal with from people 
> sending posts. Is there a way to automatically reject all incoming 
> messages? (using version 2.0.13) 

    To my knowledge, no.  Not in 2.0.13 at least.  I haven't played with 
the 2.1 release just yet - close.

> -- Is there any way to change the message text that is sent to new 
> subscribers? The basic text includes "to send a message to this 
> list..." and the list address.

    Yes.  Edit your template: templates/subscribeack.txt

-- 
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
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From danny at terweij.nl  Thu Dec 19 21:42:38 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:42:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] answers???
References: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net>
Message-ID: <08ec01c2a79f$2b3a39b0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Marci O'Daffer" <mjo at kalico.net>

> I have seen a lot of questions posted here in the past few days since I
> joined, but no answers. I've personally posted two questions, and have
> received no answers. Are there any list moderators? Anyone to answer
> questions for us newbies?

Well, most newbie questions are already answered. Just look here :

> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Do you realy think that I and many others are repeating the same answer for
already know questions? :)


Danny.





From tcrouch at du.edu  Thu Dec 19 21:44:26 2002
From: tcrouch at du.edu (Tim Crouch)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:44:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GUI anomoly in 2.1b5
Message-ID: <00ac01c2a79f$6ba10ab0$63e8fd82@Timslaptop>

I installed 2.1b5 and configured 1 list.  I am running on port 8080.
Initially, admin web interface worked EXCEPT for when I needed to
approve a submission.  When I clicked on Submit All Data, I got a 404.
I realized the URL was for 80 not 8080.  So I ran configure
-with-urlhost specifying 8080 and make && make install.  All works
great!  However, I just created a second list and am seeing the exact
same problem.  I modified Defaults.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to FQDN:8080.
Did not fix the problem.  Is there something simple I am missing?
 
Thanks a lot!
 
Tim Crouch
 
P.S.  I am running the personalization (Not Full) on my one list.  I
have a 1.3G CPU, 512M, IDE disks, and Postfix as MTA.  I am successfully
delivering over 52,000 messages per day!
 
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From ruf at rawip.org  Thu Dec 19 21:54:37 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:54:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1b6 -- StringIO.py not found
Message-ID: <20021219205437.GB31124@maremma.ch>

Dear all,

on the way to setup mailman 2.1b6, I struggled over the following
error message several times:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?
    from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 26, in ?
    from Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO import StringIO
ImportError: No module named pythonlib.StringIO

However, I found <StringIO.py> in </usr/lib/python2.2>.

Not being a pythan-guy, I have no idea how to fix this issue; all but
this has worked fine -- so far.

If anyone knows any hint how to fix this problem, I am very thankful
to get any hint!

Thanks in advance,

wbr,
Lukas
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Dec 19 21:57:01 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:57:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GUI anomoly in 2.1b5
References: <00ac01c2a79f$6ba10ab0$63e8fd82@Timslaptop>
Message-ID: <3E02329D.406@pcraft.com>

Tim Crouch wrote:

> I installed 2.1b5 and configured 1 list. I am running on port 8080. 
> Initially, admin web interface worked EXCEPT for when I needed to 
> approve a submission. When I clicked on Submit All Data, I got a 404. 
> I realized the URL was for 80 not 8080. So I ran configure 
> with-urlhost specifying 8080 and make && make install. All works 
> great! However, I just created a second list and am seeing the exact 
> same problem. I modified Defaults.py DEFAULT_URL_HOST to FQDN:8080. 
> Did not fix the problem. Is there something simple I am missing?
>
Defaults.py will only apply to lists created after the change, not 
existing lists.

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From stevelu at amamedia.org  Thu Dec 19 21:57:50 2002
From: stevelu at amamedia.org (Stephen Lu)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:57:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Jaguar command lines trouble
In-Reply-To: <1040220937.2093.0.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BA278EEE.5997%stevelu@amamedia.org>

Well, after about 4 hours, the hanged process freed itself, and I was able
to get back into it again.

But what do I do with the lock files?

Thanks,

Steve

> Look for lock files in ~mailman/locks
> 
> On Tue, 2002-12-17 at 22:43, Stephen Lu wrote:
>> MacOS X 10.2.2
>> Mailman 2.0.13
>> Python 2.2
>> Sendmail 8.12.2
>> 
>> When I try to use add_members or remove_members via command lines instead of
>> going through the web interface, the process hangs up and doesn't respond.
>> When I cancel out of there, and try to sign in through the web interface, it
>> also hangs and just waits for the server to respond. Other command line
>> processes seem to respond fine still.
>> 
>> However, I can sign into other lists and work with other lists fine via the
>> web, only the list that I was working with using add_members or
>> remove_members command does not respond. I checked the list's db with
>> check_db, and that said the dbs were fine.
>> 
>> I checked for processes, ps -axg, but showed no unusual processes except for
>> one:
>> 
>> PID  TT  STAT      TIME  COMMAND
>> 391 con- Z      0:00.00  (write_store)
>> 
>> which I don't believe I've ever seen before. Try killing it says "No such
>> process."
>> 
>> Please help. Do I have to redo the list?
>> 
>> Steve



From doug at corelis.com  Fri Dec 20 00:02:21 2002
From: doug at corelis.com (Doug Brandon)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:02:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to not wrap long subject lines?
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021219145702.00ae6190@corelis.com>

I'm using Mailman 2.1b6 and can not figure out how to tweak it to not wrap 
long subject lines.  Unfortunately, Microsoft Outlook does not reconstruct 
broken subject lines properly (it doesn't put a space between the last word 
on the current line and first word on the next line).  Since we're using 
this to send announcements to a large customer base, we want the subject 
line to look as professional as possible.  I know this is a Microsoft 
problem and not Mailman, but it would be nice if I could tweak Mailman to 
avoid this.

Any tweak suggestions?

Thanks,
    Doug



From mjo at kalico.net  Fri Dec 20 00:07:29 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:07:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] answers???
References: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net> <jzsd6nxu5f7.fsf@bolt.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <3E025131.2020806@kalico.net>

Hi Morgan, thanks but someone has now answered them. I appreciate the 
help. :)

As for selling Mailman, I don't. It's just recently been added as an 
upgrade to the Appies web site management software, of which I'm a user. 
I'm also Manging Director of a company that offers Appies on every 
hosting account. There is no additional charge for it, nor for the many 
other features in Appies or future upgrades (since I started using 
Appies in September, the creator has added several new features, none of 
which have required additional charges). In a similar situation, I've 
used Mailman for quite some time in the CPanel web site manager, which 
isn't as feature rich overall as Appies, but does include Mailman along 
with other free and GNU software programs. This is a fairly common 
scenario in hosting.

Mailman doesn't have a paid support option that I'm aware of, but if 
there is one, please let me know. I'm not trying to get something for 
nothing, but this is GNU software, after all.....

Thanks again, and Merry Christmas!
Marci :)

Morgan Fletcher wrote:
> "Marci O'Daffer" <mjo at kalico.net> writes:
> 
>>I have seen a lot of questions posted here in the past few days since
>>I joined, but no answers. I've personally posted two questions, and
>>have received no answers. Are there any list moderators? Anyone to
>>answer questions for us newbies?
> 
> 
> What are your questions again?
> 
> Remember, this is free.
> 
> 
>>Appies(tm) Web Site Manager includes Mailman on all hosting accounts!
>>http://www.HostingNorthwest.net
> 
> 
> You're asking for free help for something you then sell. 
> 
> :)
> 
> I am no expert. I have mailman successfully serving mailing lists, and
> I have fallen in enough pits with mailman to know some of the
> pitfalls.  
> 
> Let's hear those questions again.
> 
> Morgan
> 


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From mjo at kalico.net  Fri Dec 20 00:08:50 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:08:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] V. 2.16b+
References: 
	<5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com><5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com><5.1.1.6.2.20021218173348.00b02ff8@corelis.com>
	<3E012B87.1070006@kalico.net> <08df01c2a79e$6c223e10$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <3E025182.2090108@kalico.net>

Thanks Danny. I appreciate your time and imput. I'm not familiar with 
the inner workings of any of this.
Merry Christmas!
Marci :)

Danny Terweij wrote:
> From: "Marci O'Daffer" <mjo at kalico.net>
> 
>>I'm curious....just how good (or not) is v. 2.16+? I have seen on the
>>web site that it's not ready for prime time, but it sounds like a lot of
>>people are using it actively.
> 
> 
> As always do not use a beta on a production environment.
> Just wait for 2.1 final and use on production server latest stable version.
> (2.0.13).
> 
> But if your users dont mind with errors than be my guest and install latest
> cvs version :)
> 
> Danny.
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From mjo at kalico.net  Fri Dec 20 00:10:17 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:10:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Creating announce-only list
References: <3E00F3C5.8020909@kalico.net> <3E022EEA.4060703@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3E0251D9.7020106@kalico.net>

Thank you Ashley. I really appreciate your response. :) I will probably 
have to conact the creator of Appies to get to that file you speak of 
for editing.
Thanks again, and Merry Christmas!
Marci :)

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Marci O'Daffer wrote:
> 
>> I read the FAQ, and have questions.
>>
>> -- I want to hide the list address, so no one can post to it. don't 
>> want to have a bunch of admin requests to deal with from people 
>> sending posts. Is there a way to automatically reject all incoming 
>> messages? (using version 2.0.13) 
> 
> 
>    To my knowledge, no.  Not in 2.0.13 at least.  I haven't played with 
> the 2.1 release just yet - close.
> 
>> -- Is there any way to change the message text that is sent to new 
>> subscribers? The basic text includes "to send a message to this 
>> list..." and the list address.
> 
> 
>    Yes.  Edit your template: templates/subscribeack.txt
> 


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From mjo at kalico.net  Fri Dec 20 00:13:00 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:13:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] answers???
References: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net>
	<08ec01c2a79f$2b3a39b0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <3E02527C.20103@kalico.net>

No Danny, of course not. :) But I did read the FAQ and have indeed been 
to the archives, I just didn't find the answers I was looking for. 
Perhaps I didn't use the right search terms, I'm new to the backend of 
Mailman. But thanks so much for taking time to answer. It wasn't just 
me....I kept seeing other people post questions without replies, so I 
just began to wonder if there was something I didn't know about!
Merry Christmas!
Marci :)

Danny Terweij wrote:
> From: "Marci O'Daffer" <mjo at kalico.net>
> 
>>I have seen a lot of questions posted here in the past few days since I
>>joined, but no answers. I've personally posted two questions, and have
>>received no answers. Are there any list moderators? Anyone to answer
>>questions for us newbies?
> 
> 
> Well, most newbie questions are already answered. Just look here :
> 
> 
>>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>>Searchable Archives:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> Do you realy think that I and many others are repeating the same answer for
> already know questions? :)
> 
> 
> Danny.
> 
> 
> 


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From danny at terweij.nl  Fri Dec 20 01:27:18 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:27:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] answers???
References: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net>
	<08ec01c2a79f$2b3a39b0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org> <3E02527C.20103@kalico.net>
Message-ID: <09a401c2a7be$8e6195a0$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marci O'Daffer" <mjo at kalico.net>
To: "Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] answers???


> No Danny, of course not. :) But I did read the FAQ and have indeed been
> to the archives, I just didn't find the answers I was looking for.

Okay, maybe next time say that you searched the archives :)

> Merry Christmas!
> Marci :)

Yeah you to. And maybe a lot of ppl are busy with xmas things :) and xmas
hollidays are starting...

But if you can, try 2.1 beta on a test machine. A lot of  questions from
2.0.x are solved :)

Danny.







From robert at cataloniahosting.com  Fri Dec 20 07:16:46 2002
From: robert at cataloniahosting.com (Robert Garrigos)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:16:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing wellcome message
Message-ID: <007c01c2a7ef$72a60360$da71393e@menta.net>

Hi all,

I've been looking for a way to change the wellcome message and only found a way to ad some text to it.

How do I change the wellcome message?

Thanks

Robert.
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From mjo at kalico.net  Fri Dec 20 07:38:10 2002
From: mjo at kalico.net (Marci O'Daffer)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:38:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing wellcome message
References: <007c01c2a7ef$72a60360$da71393e@menta.net>
Message-ID: <3E02BAD2.3050409@kalico.net>

Someone just answered this for me earlier today. Here ya go!
> 
> -- Is there any way to change the message text that is sent to new subscribers? 
> 
>    Yes.  Edit your template: templates/subscribeack.txt 

Merry Christmas!
Marci :)

Robert Garrigos wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> I've been looking for a way to change the wellcome message and only 
> found a way to ad some text to it.
>  
> How do I change the wellcome message?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Robert.
> 
> 
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From jay at jayrosenthal.net  Fri Dec 20 09:29:47 2002
From: jay at jayrosenthal.net (Jay Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:29:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password elimination
Message-ID: <E18PIXT-0004Xq-00@server784.dnslive.net>

Is there a way to eliminate the requirement for subscriers to have a 
password.  The list is for me to use as a mailing list to tell people 
about events, I'm a musician.  How to I eliminate passwords entirely 
and then people can just subscribe and unsunscribe with noraml emails 
with commands like in a majordomo type list.  Is there a place in the 
online manual which talks about this?  the archieve of this list is 
very confusing and impossible to find out information as it is only one 
little bit at a time.
thanks
---------------------
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www.jayrosenthal.net 



From jay at jayrosenthal.net  Fri Dec 20 09:29:55 2002
From: jay at jayrosenthal.net (Jay Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 03:29:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password elimination
Message-ID: <E18PIXb-0004YK-00@server784.dnslive.net>

Is there a way to eliminate the requirement for subscriers to have a 
password.  The list is for me to use as a mailing list to tell people 
about events, I'm a musician.  How to I eliminate passwords entirely 
and then people can just subscribe and unsunscribe with noraml emails 
with commands like in a majordomo type list.  Is there a place in the 
online manual which talks about this?  the archieve of this list is 
very confusing and impossible to find out information as it is only one 
little bit at a time.
thanks
---------------------
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www.jayrosenthal.net 



From ruf at rawip.org  Fri Dec 20 12:27:45 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:27:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Domains with One Mailman 2.16b Installation
Message-ID: <20021220112745.GF5307@maremma.ch>

Dear all,

got Mailman to run finally, I would like to create differnt (virtual)
domains to be handled with one Mailman installation as I was used with
majordomo.

Reading the Defaults.py, README and INSTALL as well as the Site
Administrator Docu on the web do not enlighten me as much as I would
need.

For this reason, I kindly ask this list for a short help on this issue
-- it was the goal I changed to 2.1 ,-).

Thanks in advance for your help!
Lukas
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From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Fri Dec 20 15:09:53 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 09:09:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password elimination
In-Reply-To: <E18PIXT-0004Xq-00@server784.dnslive.net>;
	from jay@jayrosenthal.net on Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:29:47AM -0500
References: <E18PIXT-0004Xq-00@server784.dnslive.net>
Message-ID: <20021220090953.A10628@dogpound.vnet.net>

Check FAQ 1.5

* Jay Rosenthal (jay at jayrosenthal.net) wrote:
> Is there a way to eliminate the requirement for subscriers to have a 
> password.  The list is for me to use as a mailing list to tell people 
> about events, I'm a musician.  How to I eliminate passwords entirely 
> and then people can just subscribe and unsunscribe with noraml emails 
> with commands like in a majordomo type list.  Is there a place in the 
> online manual which talks about this?  the archieve of this list is 
> very confusing and impossible to find out information as it is only one 
> little bit at a time.
> thanks
> ---------------------
> Jay Rosenthal
> www.jayrosenthal.net 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
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> 
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From kc7wdx at linux.bremgate.com  Fri Dec 20 15:25:59 2002
From: kc7wdx at linux.bremgate.com (Greg Caughey)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 06:25:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate postings?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.51.0212200618470.4457@linux.bremgate.com>

Seasons Greetings All!

Say, have been experiencing random duplicate postings to this list
lately.  Have others observed the same problem?

-- 
Regards,
GC


From Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org  Fri Dec 20 17:02:42 2002
From: Staven.Bruce at valleyair.org (Staven Bruce)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 08:02:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements?
Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E282@SJVAPCD.MAIL>

Hello,

I am new to Mailman, and have just set a server running Redhat 8.0 with
Mailman 2.1(I Think). We are using teh listserve strictly as a "one way"
communication to our clients, distributing a monthly newsletter. I have had
several requests to include attachments with these newsletters, word and
.pdf docouments, and I was wondering if I can do this with Mailman?

Thanks


From ed at leafe.com  Fri Dec 20 19:34:31 2002
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:34:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements?
In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E282@SJVAPCD.MAIL>
Message-ID: <ADD5ADD3-1449-11D7-B86F-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 11:02  AM, Staven Bruce wrote:

> I am new to Mailman, and have just set a server running Redhat 8.0 with
> Mailman 2.1(I Think). We are using teh listserve strictly as a "one 
> way"
> communication to our clients, distributing a monthly newsletter. I 
> have had
> several requests to include attachments with these newsletters, word 
> and
> .pdf docouments, and I was wondering if I can do this with Mailman?

	I have a similar question. Is there a way to *prevent* attachments, 
short of limiting the maximum size of a message? I want to help prevent 
those wonderful Outlook "features" from being spread through my lists.

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   /
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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Dec 20 19:49:59 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:49:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default settings for Mailman
Message-ID: <009e01c2a858$98d0e2d0$0b7a799f@chris>

I am using version 2.0.10 of Mailman. I would like to change some of the
global defaults. I know that this is done in the mm_cfg.py file in order to
override the Defaults.py file information. However, some of the entries that
I have made in mm_cfg.py don't seem to make any difference. For instance, I
have set default archiving = 0 (no archiving). I have also set the password
reminder default =0 and this doesn't seem to change the default when I go
into any of the list admin pages. Is there something that I am missing?


Christopher Adams
Library Systems Analyst
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Dec 20 20:25:54 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:25:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default settings for Mailman
References: <009e01c2a858$98d0e2d0$0b7a799f@chris>
	<53903B30-144E-11D7-ACFF-0003936D9900@memphis.edu>
Message-ID: <00ae01c2a85d$9d366d90$0b7a799f@chris>

Yes, I understand that, but it doesn't work for new lists either. It seems
that some of the options do work and others don't.

Christopher Adams




----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Phillips" <dhphllps at memphis.edu>
To: "Christopher Adams" <Chris.A.Adams at state.or.us>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] default settings for Mailman


> I believe changes made there only affect lists created after the
> changes are made.
>
> On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 12:49  PM, Christopher Adams wrote:
>
> > I am using version 2.0.10 of Mailman. I would like to change some of
> > the
> > global defaults. I know that this is done in the mm_cfg.py file in
> > order to
> > override the Defaults.py file information. However, some of the
> > entries that
> > I have made in mm_cfg.py don't seem to make any difference. For
> > instance, I
> > have set default archiving = 0 (no archiving). I have also set the
> > password
> > reminder default =0 and this doesn't seem to change the default when I
> > go
> > into any of the list admin pages. Is there something that I am missing?
> >
> >
> > Christopher Adams
> > Library Systems Analyst
> > Oregon State Library
> > 503-378-4243  x258
> > chris.a.adams at state.or.us
> >
> >
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> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
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> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
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> >
>



From jimpop at rocketship.com  Fri Dec 20 20:47:35 2002
From: jimpop at rocketship.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 14:47:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements?
In-Reply-To: <ADD5ADD3-1449-11D7-B86F-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGEELHFDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>

Hi,

1) Attachments are no problem for Mailman as long as your MTA allows them

2) Attachments can easily be stripped from inbound email at your MTA (not by
Mailman).  I am quite happy with demime (www.google.com/search?q=demime) on
my mailinglist server.

-Jim P.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Leafe
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:35 PM
>
>
> On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 11:02  AM, Staven Bruce wrote:
>
> > I am new to Mailman, and have just set a server running Redhat 8.0 with
> > Mailman 2.1(I Think). We are using teh listserve strictly as a "one
> > way"
> > communication to our clients, distributing a monthly newsletter. I
> > have had
> > several requests to include attachments with these newsletters, word
> > and
> > .pdf docouments, and I was wondering if I can do this with Mailman?
>
> 	I have a similar question. Is there a way to *prevent* attachments,
> short of limiting the maximum size of a message? I want to help prevent
> those wonderful Outlook "features" from being spread through my lists.
>
>       ___/
>      /
>     __/
>    /
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>
>
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From r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk  Fri Dec 20 21:13:40 2002
From: r.barrett at openinfo.demon.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:13:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Separate Sender and Receiver?
In-Reply-To: <3E021918.10704@metrolink.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021220201302.03151e40@pop3.demon.co.uk>

At 19:08 19/12/2002, Nick Seidenman wrote:

>Has anyone tried a configuration that uses a different host for sending 
>outgoing posts than the one receiving the incoming posts?
>
>Nick

Don't know if this will help but I reckon the incoming MTA has to be run on 
the same host as Mailman but given the use of SMTP the MTA handling the 
outgoing traffic can be any machine that will accept and relay the traffic. 
I certainly ran our mailing list setup that way for a while.



From dhl at SPHDS.Org  Fri Dec 20 22:50:28 2002
From: dhl at SPHDS.Org (David LeVine)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:50:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 How can I post to a members-only list when the domain is stripped
 because it is local?
Message-ID: <200212202150.gBKLoSU22587@ns1.sphds.org>

Environment:
Sun Netra V100 running Solaris 8
Python 2.2.2
Mailman 2.0.13 installed from source
Sendmail 8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6

I've set up Mailman and can access the web interface, etc.  My mail server is
the same system as the Mailman server and there is only one domain involved,
'dom.ain'.  I set up a members-only list, 'mylist'.  I added myself, user 'me'
as a member of the list, 'me at dom.ain'.

When I try to post to mylist, I get a message back saying that the message is
being held since it was submitted by a non member.  On the administrative page
to approve or reject the post, it shows that the message is from 'me' rather
than 'me at dom.ain'.

I have not found a way to add my username 'me' as an email address on the list
without having a domainname attached.  I tried '@localhost.' but that didn't
resolve things.  Is there a way to tell a memers-only list to accept a local
post or to tell it to be smart enough to know the local domain is an acceptable
domain and to append it to the username?

I looked through the FAQs and there was only one thing that is close to this,
however, it is a different problem.  Any/all suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

David
dhl at sphds.org


From leo at ktv.se  Sat Dec 21 01:01:18 2002
From: leo at ktv.se (Leo De Geer)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:01:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem to setup mm2.1b4 with sv-iso-8859-1
Message-ID: <200212210101.18162.leo@ktv.se>

the archive isent working as it should 
exampel on
http://listor.svessa.se/pipermail/faq/2002-December/000004.html

and some of the admin mail isent enkoded as they should 

anyone knowing thats the problem

regards leo


From bhilburn at frontier.net  Sat Dec 21 03:06:26 2002
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:06:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Programatically setting mass user options?
Message-ID: <1040436386.3e03cca2a453e@webmail.frontier.net>


Hi All,

I have seen this asked and have searched everywhere for answers...

Currently I need to set the 'nomail' option off for approx. 2000 subscribers
then run some tests and turn it back on.

Anyone have a script for this or know what the nomail property is?

Something like this is what I had in mind... (this is pseudo of course...)

python -i bin/withlist -l my-list
# m.member('john at yahoo.com' ).nomail = true
m.Save()
m.Unlock()
EOF


Thanks!


Bill Hilburn
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From stevelu at amamedia.org  Sat Dec 21 20:53:52 2002
From: stevelu at amamedia.org (Stephen Lu)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:53:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] elusive qrunner PID
Message-ID: <BA2A22F0.59EC%stevelu@amamedia.org>

Sorry if this is duplicated message. I thought I had sent it out earlier,
but MS Entourage claimed it wasn't...
...................................

Mailman 2.0.13
Sendmail 8.12.2
OS X 10.2 (darwin)

I need to kill off qrunner that got hung up on a message. I've already
deleted lock files as well as cleared out qfiles.

After find out the qrunner PID, I tried to kill the process, but it came
back and said "no such process." I do an other ps aux|grep qrunner, and the
PID for qrunner has moved to by 2, ie. it went from 1779 to 1781. And if I
just continue doing ps aux|grep qrunner, the PID kept increasing by 2 each
time. And also, qrunner doesn't show up under ps aux, only when I do ps
aux|grep qrunner. So I tried to anticipate it and kill the PID 2 ahead of
what just showed up, and of course there's no such process.

So where exactly is this process and how do I kill it?

Thanks,

Steve



From stevelu at amamedia.org  Sat Dec 21 22:45:12 2002
From: stevelu at amamedia.org (Stephen Lu)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:45:12 -0600
Subject: What's hanging up mailman? [was Re: [Mailman-Users] elusive
	qrunner PID]
In-Reply-To: <1040505874.3e04dc12751e7@webmail.frontier.net>
Message-ID: <BA2A3D08.59F5%stevelu@amamedia.org>

Ah, thanks. I tried what you suggested, and it returned nothing. So I guess
qrunner is not running, which brings me back to the problem. (I had looked
it up in FAQ, and I thought the problem was with qrunner).

Sendmail is in a loop trying to send a message out to a number of
subscribers. The other sides are rejecting it because "Sender address
rejected: Domain not found". We are in the process of switching our server
but keeping the same domain name. The list has been moved to the new
machine, but the machine's IP address hasn't been registered under the
domain yet. I imagine that's why the other side is rejecting the sender
address.

So Sendmail just kept trying and trying, and I can't send any new messages
out over the list. New messages just get stacked in qfiles.

So I've cleared out all files in qfiles and in locks, but Sendmail is still
on a mission. How do I make it stop?

Thanks for helping out this newbie to the Unix world.

> 
> Look really close... are you sure what your seeing is the PID of the 'grep
> qrunner' ?
> 
> try this:  ps aux|grep qrunner|grep -v grep
> 
> the last grep -v grep will not show the PID of the grep itself
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Stephen Lu <stevelu at amamedia.org>:
> 
>> Sorry if this is duplicated message. I thought I had sent it out earlier,
>> but MS Entourage claimed it wasn't...
>> ...................................
>> 
>> Mailman 2.0.13
>> Sendmail 8.12.2
>> OS X 10.2 (darwin)
>> 
>> I need to kill off qrunner that got hung up on a message. I've already
>> deleted lock files as well as cleared out qfiles.
>> 
>> After find out the qrunner PID, I tried to kill the process, but it came
>> back and said "no such process." I do an other ps aux|grep qrunner, and the
>> PID for qrunner has moved to by 2, ie. it went from 1779 to 1781. And if I
>> just continue doing ps aux|grep qrunner, the PID kept increasing by 2 each
>> time. And also, qrunner doesn't show up under ps aux, only when I do ps
>> aux|grep qrunner. So I tried to anticipate it and kill the PID 2 ahead of
>> what just showed up, and of course there's no such process.
>> 
>> So where exactly is this process and how do I kill it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 



From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Dec 21 23:11:25 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:11:25 -0700
Subject: What's hanging up mailman? [was Re: [Mailman-Users] elusive
	qrunner PID]
References: <BA2A3D08.59F5%stevelu@amamedia.org>
Message-ID: <3E04E70D.9040604@pcraft.com>

Stephen Lu wrote:

>Sendmail is in a loop trying to send a message out to a number of
>subscribers. The other sides are rejecting it because "Sender address
>rejected: Domain not found".
>
    This means your domain name is unresolvable by the recipient.  Fix 
your DNS record.

>So Sendmail just kept trying and trying, and I can't send any new messages
>out over the list. New messages just get stacked in qfiles.
>
>So I've cleared out all files in qfiles and in locks, but Sendmail is still
>on a mission. How do I make it stop?
>  
>
    That's because mailman will pass messages along to sendmail for 
delivery.  What you say in 'qfiles' is only mailman's queue files.  You 
need to clear our sendmail's queue as well.  Shut it off (service 
sendmail stop), go into /var/spool/mqueue and clear it out, then start 
sendmail again (service sendmail start).  Keep in mind that clearing out 
/var/spool/mqueue means you're clearing out all other queue file that 
doesn't belong to mailman as well.  It's up to you.

-- 
M | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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From weidnera at comcast.net  Sun Dec 22 09:17:02 2002
From: weidnera at comcast.net (Austin Weidner)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:17:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No e-mail
Message-ID: <005301c2a992$8260da60$e589b73f@roadhungus>

I go to set up a test list, and enter my e-mail address. List sets up, says
"Hit enter to continue with tss-test3 owner notification...". I do that...
but never receive an e-mail on that address. This leads me to believe
something basic is wrong here. I've got the smrsh symbolic link. I've looked
over the server logs and I don't see anything. mailmans smtp log says:
Dec 22 02:15:01 2002 (17123) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Dec 22 02:15:01 2002 (17123) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.001 seconds

Any ideas why I am not getting this initial message?



From rons at ronsmits.com  Sun Dec 22 18:25:57 2002
From: rons at ronsmits.com (Ron Smits)
Date: 22 Dec 2002 18:25:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading lists
Message-ID: <1040577957.293.41.camel@pc15.ronsmits.com>

Afternoon

I have been running mailman 1.1rc1 for far too long :) but I do not want
to blindly update. So I wanted to upgrade only one list. Steps I
undertook are:

     1. find a machine ( :) )
     2. install python, apache, mailman and exim
     3. create a new list, test, works :)
     4. tar up a list from 1.1 and untar it in $MAILMAN/lists. This
        actually works. the list is know, but......

All the member links still point to the old install (so instead of them
pointing to //http://pc15/mailman/admin/tpe/members?letter=g they point
to http://<old-domain-name>/mailman/admon/tpe/members?letter=g) How do I
correct this?
I already changed in general options the host_name option. but that had
no effect.

Any ideas anyone?

Ron
-- 
Ron Smits
www: www.ronsmits.org and www.ron-kitten.net



From bhilburn at frontier.net  Sun Dec 22 19:05:03 2002
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:05:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading lists
In-Reply-To: <1040577957.293.41.camel@pc15.ronsmits.com>
References: <1040577957.293.41.camel@pc15.ronsmits.com>
Message-ID: <1040580303.3e05fecf5ae50@webmail.frontier.net>


Not sure about 1.1 -> 2.1 upgrade...

When I upgraded from our old server (Mailman ver?) to new server (ver 2.1b5)
after the lists were in place (after install and test of new list) I ran
~/mailman/bin/update and it converted all of the config.db to config.pck.
(new db format...)

Make sure you override defaults from Defaults.py in your mm_cfg.py *first*
specifically DEFAULT_URL_HOST & DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, my mm_cfg.py look like this:

# - start of mm_cfg.py -
IMAGE_LOGOS = '/icons/'

SMTPHOST = 'mail.frontier.net'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.frontier.net'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'mail.frontier.net'

add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

# - end of mm_cfg.py -


Note the add_virtualhost is necessary for Mailman to pick up these assignments.


Hope this helps!



Quoting Ron Smits <rons at ronsmits.com>:

> Afternoon
> 
> I have been running mailman 1.1rc1 for far too long :) but I do not want
> to blindly update. So I wanted to upgrade only one list. Steps I
> undertook are:
> 
>      1. find a machine ( :) )
>      2. install python, apache, mailman and exim
>      3. create a new list, test, works :)
>      4. tar up a list from 1.1 and untar it in $MAILMAN/lists. This
>         actually works. the list is know, but......
> 
> All the member links still point to the old install (so instead of them
> pointing to //http://pc15/mailman/admin/tpe/members?letter=g they point
> to http://<old-domain-name>/mailman/admon/tpe/members?letter=g) How do I
> correct this?
> I already changed in general options the host_name option. but that had
> no effect.
> 
> Any ideas anyone?
> 
> Ron
> -- 
> Ron Smits
> www: www.ronsmits.org and www.ron-kitten.net
> 
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From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Sun Dec 22 12:00:01 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:00:01 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachements?
In-Reply-To: <FMELKIGJMCKDEONBJEDGEELHFDAA.jimpop@rocketship.com>
References: <ADD5ADD3-1449-11D7-B86F-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021222105910.023eb9c8@server01>

But make sure that the maximum email size is set (in mailman) to include 
the attachments

Cheers

Brian

At 19:47 20/12/2002, Jim Popovitch wrote:
>Hi,
>
>1) Attachments are no problem for Mailman as long as your MTA allows them
>
>2) Attachments can easily be stripped from inbound email at your MTA (not by
>Mailman).  I am quite happy with demime (www.google.com/search?q=demime) on
>my mailinglist server.
>
>-Jim P.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed Leafe
> > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:35 PM
> >
> >
> > On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 11:02  AM, Staven Bruce wrote:
> >
> > > I am new to Mailman, and have just set a server running Redhat 8.0 with
> > > Mailman 2.1(I Think). We are using teh listserve strictly as a "one
> > > way"
> > > communication to our clients, distributing a monthly newsletter. I
> > > have had
> > > several requests to include attachments with these newsletters, word
> > > and
> > > .pdf docouments, and I was wondering if I can do this with Mailman?
> >
> >       I have a similar question. Is there a way to *prevent* attachments,
> > short of limiting the maximum size of a message? I want to help prevent
> > those wonderful Outlook "features" from being spread through my lists.
> >
> >       ___/
> >      /
> >     __/
> >    /
> >   ____/
> >   Ed Leafe
> >   http://leafe.com/
> >   http://foxcentral.net
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> > This message was sent to: jimpop at rocketship.com
> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jimpop%40rock
>etship.com
>
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From jeremyp at pobox.com  Mon Dec 23 16:07:27 2002
From: jeremyp at pobox.com (Jeremy Portzer)
Date: 23 Dec 2002 10:07:27 -0500
Subject: How to Ask a Question (was Re: [Mailman-Users] answers???)
In-Reply-To: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net>
References: <3E022793.90505@kalico.net>
Message-ID: <1040656050.9095.10.camel@jeremy.dtcc.cc.nc.us>

On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 15:09, Marci O'Daffer wrote:
> I have seen a lot of questions posted here in the past few days since I 
> joined, but no answers. I've personally posted two questions, and have 
> received no answers. Are there any list moderators? Anyone to answer 
> questions for us newbies?

I know that you've now received some answers, but here's something you
will probably find useful.  Many of the questions here aren't answered
because they're in the FAQ, or make other "mistakes" as described in
this article:

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

(In answer to your other question about paid support for Mailman,
contact me off-list and I can give you a referral for someone who can
provide that.)

Hope this helps,

Jeremy Portzer
jeremyp at pobox.com



From thomas at thosmos.com  Mon Dec 23 19:49:39 2002
From: thomas at thosmos.com (Thomas Spellman)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:49:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove select archive messages
In-Reply-To: <20021213222919.A3835@mail.kldp.org>
Message-ID: <008401c2aab4$0e0d8f00$db2679a5@thosmos>

How do you remove select archive messages?  Also how do you delete ALL
archive messages without deleting the list?

Thanks

Thomas



From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Mon Dec 23 20:02:06 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:02:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove select archive messages
In-Reply-To: <008401c2aab4$0e0d8f00$db2679a5@thosmos>;
	from thomas@thosmos.com on Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 10:49:39AM -0800
References: <20021213222919.A3835@mail.kldp.org>
	<008401c2aab4$0e0d8f00$db2679a5@thosmos>
Message-ID: <20021223140206.A25196@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Thomas Spellman (thomas at thosmos.com) wrote:
> How do you remove select archive messages?  Also how do you delete ALL
> archive messages without deleting the list?

The archives are stored in mbox format in 

archives/private/<listname>/<listname>.mbox

Then you can rebuild the archives with bin/arch.

----------------------------------------------
| Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
|--------------------------------------------|
| Monday, December 23, 2002 / 01:59PM        |
----------------------------------------------
I am serious. And don't call me Shirley.


From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Mon Dec 23 21:29:58 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:29:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Message-ID: <200212232030.gBNKUFjI008111@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Hi Jon!

Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password for 
a list.  Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site 
admin), and did a dumpdb again.  I get the same encrypted password for the list 
admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin).

What else can I try?

Thanks!

Steve
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu

> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
> From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> X-Keywords: 
> 
> In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
> well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
> easily figure this part out.
> 
> In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
> to be that the encryption has changed.  Normally resetting the password
> via the web-admin works.  I don't know why it's not working in your case
> - unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
> 
> You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
> to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
> changed.
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> > Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the 
> > config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given 
> > list?  I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked 
like 
> > the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.
> > 
> > A (bogus) example of this:  Here are what looks like the admin lines from 
the 
> > config.db dump:
> > 
> >  'owner': ['testlistadmin at cs.jhu.edu'],
> >     'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
> >     'passwords': {user1 at jhu.edu': 'sdjlkl',
> >                      'user2 at jhu.edu': 'nasdat',
> >                      'user3 at jhu.edu': 'kljlkd',
> >                      'user4 at jhu.edu': 'jsdafk',
> > },
> > 
> > So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not 
listed 
> > in plain text as to what the password is.
> > 
> > How do we get that password?  If I had that info, I could check to see why 
we 
> > are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user 
> > (subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password.  (for mm 
2.0.13)
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Steve
> > steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > ------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
> > > From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > > To: Gary Smith <gary8smith at hotmail.com>
> > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > 
> > > The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
> > > easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
> > > admin):
> > > 
> > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >  
> > > How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
> > > 'send me my password button'?
> > >  
> > > Thanks,
> > >  
> > > Gary Smith



From robert at creativemfg.ca  Mon Dec 23 21:39:38 2002
From: robert at creativemfg.ca (Rob Jolliffe)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Message-ID: <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost>

Hi everyone,

I have a bandwidth question.  My searches of the archives and google turned 
up very little.  I did see the one FAQ entry that seemed to deal with this - 
but I thought I should ask for clairification.

Here is my question.  [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a mailman 
question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.]

I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to move this 
list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I 
will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I send a 10k message to 
the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server 
with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will 
it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?

If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,  maybe 5k 
average size,  1000 users) what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  Just 
doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB 
per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window.  This 
is pretty high bandwidth imho.  Does a mailing list really require this kind 
of thruput?

Thanks very much

-Rob

-----------------------------------------
Robert Jolliffe
President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions
Technology Partner, Dynac Inc.
www.creativemfg.ca  www.dynactools.ca

tel (519)585-7524




From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Mon Dec 23 21:48:28 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:48:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  list admin pw not working -- weird update,
	troubles, but some more clues...
Message-ID: <200212232048.gBNKmjjI009142@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

I should add that the timestamp on the config.db file DID in fact change after I 
changed the list admin password, just not the encrypted password itself.

And no error was given when I made the password change.

Are there mailman logs for login attempts?  Any other ways to troubleshoot this?


And here's the really weird part... when I log in as the site admin to one of 
the lists, and go to change the listadmin pw, if I put in the new password and 
put in a DIFFERENT password in the confirm new password field and click Submit 
Your Changes, I *do not* get an error... when I should, since the password I 
enter and the one I confirm are different.  So, why would I not be getting an 
error?  I should at least be getting an error flagged somewhere.  But where?  
It's certainly not on the list page, and it is not in the Mailman logs either.

Steve
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu

> 
> Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password 
for 
> a list.  Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site 
> admin), and did a dumpdb again.  I get the same encrypted password for the 
list 
> admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin).
> 
> What else can I try?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve
> steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> 
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
> > From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > X-Keywords: 
> > 
> > In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
> > well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
> > easily figure this part out.
> > 
> > In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
> > to be that the encryption has changed.  Normally resetting the password
> > via the web-admin works.  I don't know why it's not working in your case
> > - unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
> > 
> > You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
> > to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
> > changed.
> > 
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> > 
> > On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> > > Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on 
the 
> > > config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a 
given 
> > > list?  I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked 
> like 
> > > the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set 
to.
> > > 
> > > A (bogus) example of this:  Here are what looks like the admin lines from 
> the 
> > > config.db dump:
> > > 
> > >  'owner': ['testlistadmin at cs.jhu.edu'],
> > >     'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
> > >     'passwords': {user1 at jhu.edu': 'sdjlkl',
> > >                      'user2 at jhu.edu': 'nasdat',
> > >                      'user3 at jhu.edu': 'kljlkd',
> > >                      'user4 at jhu.edu': 'jsdafk',
> > > },
> > > 
> > > So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not 
> listed 
> > > in plain text as to what the password is.
> > > 
> > > How do we get that password?  If I had that info, I could check to see why 
> we 
> > > are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user 
> > > (subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password.  (for mm 
> 2.0.13)
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > steve410 at cs.jhu.edu



From danny at terweij.nl  Tue Dec 24 03:04:54 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:04:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
References: <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost>
Message-ID: <012001c2aaf0$da5b6190$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

From: "Rob Jolliffe" <robert at creativemfg.ca>

> Here is my question.  [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a
mailman
> question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.]

> I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to move
this
> list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server
(I
> will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I send a 10k message
to
> the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server
> with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or
will
> it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?

I have a simular setup.

Lets explain only my outbound mail :)

-Generated outgoing mailmessage by mailman
-Send by mailman to my sendmail (same machine as mailman)
-Sendmail forwards all outgoingmail to main mailserver (w2k server with
Mailtraq Version 1)
-All outgoing mail from mailman domain is send to my backup mailserver
(Mailtraq Version 2 on Windows XP)
-Mailtraq Version 2 Sends it to my ISP smtp server.
I have on Mailtraq 2 configured only 2 parallel outgoing connections (i have
only 12kb/sec upstream).
On Mailtraq Version 1 machine, i have more outgoing connections so my
personal mail will be send immediatly instead of queued after a lot of
mailman messages.

Incomming mailman mail is about the same way  but not routed though Mailtraq
2 server :)

But instead of Microsoft software it can be done with sendmail too, i think.

I just wanted to sepparate normal mail and mailinglistmail, and it's working
well :)


So just 1 outgoing message with many receipients in it. (limited at 300 per
mail at mm_cfg.py)
At the beginning i did use MX resolvings. Yech! took me hours to send out
the mail.
Now i am happy and is running for a few month.

Danny.




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Dec 24 04:54:03 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:54:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rob Jolliffe" <robert@creativemfg.ca> 
   of "Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 EST." <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost> 
References: <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost> 
Message-ID: <10483.1040702043@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 
Rob Jolliffe <robert at creativemfg.ca> wrote:

> I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to
> move this list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my
> ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I
> send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single
> message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50
> as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the
> addresses attached?

RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message.  

> If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,
> maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)...

Yes.

> ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  

With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target
MXes this can't be answered.  In my case my system is rather connected
(three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks
I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site.

> Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per
> minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5
> minute window.  

If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then
yes.  Do you require a 5 minute delivery window?  Really?

> This is pretty high bandwidth imho.  Does a mailing list really
> require this kind of thruput?

What QoS do you require?  Can your target MXes support that QoS?  Do
they even desire it, let alone require it?  Would anybody notice if it
were slower?

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From amit at ontrackindia.com  Tue Dec 24 11:42:17 2002
From: amit at ontrackindia.com (Amit Khan)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:12:17 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: moderated mailing list..
Message-ID: <025c01c2ab39$21a014e0$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>

How can I make mailing list as a moderated one in mailman?  I found, there
are no such options available in standard mailman admin interfaces. I want
all the messages posted to the list will be published by the administrator
or moderator - is it possible to configure the mailman to serve my purpose.

Warm regards
Amit Khan










From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 24 16:08:55 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Dec 2002 10:08:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
In-Reply-To: <200212232030.gBNKUFjI008111@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
References: <200212232030.gBNKUFjI008111@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <1040742539.2044.9.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Well, now you *know* that the password is not being changed!  So
something fundamental is broken within your install.  It's not handling
encryption properly and any calls to cause encryption are failing.

Assuming that this is not a system-wide problem (that would be caused by
a library in your distribution), then I'm guessing that the problem lays
with a library or module of Python.

My suggestion to you is that you re-install Python, then re-install
Mailman.  Both are fairly easy to do.  The order is important - you
definitely want to re-install Mailman after installing Python.

If you install Python from an RPM or package management system, then
load the development packages of Python as well - to make sure you get
all the modules/libraries that Mailman uses.

Good Luck (and if you happen to hang that way: Merry Christmas!)

Jon Carnes 

======
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:29, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> Hi Jon!
> 
> Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password for 
> a list.  Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site 
> admin), and did a dumpdb again.  I get the same encrypted password for the list 
> admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin).
> 
> What else can I try?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve
> steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> 
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
> > From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > X-Keywords: 
> > 
> > In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
> > well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
> > easily figure this part out.
> > 
> > In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
> > to be that the encryption has changed.  Normally resetting the password
> > via the web-admin works.  I don't know why it's not working in your case
> > - unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
> > 
> > You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
> > to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
> > changed.
> > 
> > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> > 
> > On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> > > Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the 
> > > config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given 
> > > list?  I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked 
> like 
> > > the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to.
> > > 
> > > A (bogus) example of this:  Here are what looks like the admin lines from 
> the 
> > > config.db dump:
> > > 
> > >  'owner': ['testlistadmin at cs.jhu.edu'],
> > >     'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
> > >     'passwords': {user1 at jhu.edu': 'sdjlkl',
> > >                      'user2 at jhu.edu': 'nasdat',
> > >                      'user3 at jhu.edu': 'kljlkd',
> > >                      'user4 at jhu.edu': 'jsdafk',
> > > },
> > > 
> > > So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not 
> listed 
> > > in plain text as to what the password is.
> > > 
> > > How do we get that password?  If I had that info, I could check to see why 
> we 
> > > are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user 
> > > (subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password.  (for mm 
> 2.0.13)
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
> > > > From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > > > To: Gary Smith <gary8smith at hotmail.com>
> > > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > 
> > > > The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
> > > > easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system
> > > > admin):
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
> > > > Hi.
> > > >  
> > > > How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the
> > > > 'send me my password button'?
> > > >  
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >  
> > > > Gary Smith
> 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 24 16:30:20 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Dec 2002 10:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost>
References: <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost>
Message-ID: <1040743824.2043.27.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 

If there are 14 folks at one domain then only one message will be sent
to that domain's Mail server.  If there are 140 folks at one domain,
then two messages will be sent to that domain's mail server.

Bandwidth is not a normal concern for Mail servers since mail is a
"store and forward" service. If you have a need for large messages to
flow out quickly then bandwidth becomes a concern.

Also of concern in that case is tweaking Sendmail and your production
environment so that it handles mail as quickly as possible.  That being
the case, you should look at running Postfix (which comes optimized),
and also look at running a caching DNS server on the same machine as
Mailman/Postfix.

Good Luck! - Jon Carnes

On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:39, Rob Jolliffe wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have a bandwidth question.  My searches of the archives and google turned 
> up very little.  I did see the one FAQ entry that seemed to deal with this - 
> but I thought I should ask for clairification.
> 
> Here is my question.  [Perhaps it's even more an SMTP question than a mailman 
> question, if so please point me to the right list or newsgroup.]
> 
> I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to move this 
> list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my ISP's server (I 
> will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I send a 10k message to 
> the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server 
> with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or will 
> it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?
> 
> If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,  maybe 5k 
> average size,  1000 users) what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  Just 
> doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per minute (174kB 
> per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5 minute window.  This 
> is pretty high bandwidth imho.  Does a mailing list really require this kind 
> of thruput?
> 
> Thanks very much
> 
> -Rob
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Robert Jolliffe
> President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions
> Technology Partner, Dynac Inc.
> www.creativemfg.ca  www.dynactools.ca
> 
> tel (519)585-7524
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 24 16:33:26 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Dec 2002 10:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: moderated mailing list..
In-Reply-To: <025c01c2ab39$21a014e0$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>
References: <025c01c2ab39$21a014e0$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>
Message-ID: <1040744015.2038.30.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Web-admin - Privacy Options.

On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 05:42, Amit Khan wrote:
> How can I make mailing list as a moderated one in mailman?  I found, there
> are no such options available in standard mailman admin interfaces. I want
> all the messages posted to the list will be published by the administrator
> or moderator - is it possible to configure the mailman to serve my purpose.
> 
> Warm regards
> Amit Khan
> 




From robert at creativemfg.ca  Tue Dec 24 16:40:52 2002
From: robert at creativemfg.ca (Rob Jolliffe)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:40:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <012001c2aaf0$da5b6190$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>
Message-ID: <3E0839B4.4369.3ABDE9@localhost>

On 24 Dec 2002 at 3:04, Danny Terweij wrote:

From:           	"Danny Terweij" <danny at terweij.nl>
To:             	<robert at creativemfg.ca>, <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
Date sent:      	Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:04:54 +0100

> From: "Rob Jolliffe" <robert at creativemfg.ca>
> 
...

> > the 1000 users,  will my Mailman send a single message to the SMTP server
> > with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50 as per my configuration) or
> will
> > it send 1 message per domain with the addresses attached?
> 
> I have a simular setup.
> 
> Lets explain only my outbound mail :)
 
...
 
> So just 1 outgoing message with many receipients in it. (limited at 300 per
> mail at mm_cfg.py)
> At the beginning i did use MX resolvings. Yech! took me hours to send out
> the mail.
> Now i am happy and is running for a few month.

Hi Danny,

How many users on your mailing list?  How many messages per day?

Thanks


-----------------------------------------
Robert Jolliffe
President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions
Technology Partner, Dynac Inc.
www.creativemfg.ca  www.dynactools.ca

tel (519)585-7524




From robert at creativemfg.ca  Tue Dec 24 16:59:39 2002
From: robert at creativemfg.ca (Rob Jolliffe)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:59:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question 
In-Reply-To: <10483.1040702043@kanga.nu>
References: Message from "Rob Jolliffe" <robert@creativemfg.ca>  of "Mon, 23
	Dec 2002 15:39:38 EST." <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost> 
Message-ID: <3E083E1B.32477.4BEF79@localhost>

Hi JC,

On 23 Dec 2002 at 19:54, J C Lawrence wrote:

To:             	robert at creativemfg.ca
Copies to:      	mailman-users at python.org
Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question 
Date sent:      	Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:54:03 -0800
From:           	J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu>

> On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:39:38 -0500 
> Rob Jolliffe <robert at creativemfg.ca> wrote:
> 
> > I have a list with 1000 members on Yahoo groups (yech!).  I want to
> > move this list on to my own server.  My SMTP server is going to be my
> > ISP's server (I will be double checking with them) not my own.  When I
> > send a 10k message to the 1000 users, will my Mailman send a single
> > message to the SMTP server with 1000 addresses attached (or 100 or 50
> > as per my configuration) or will it send 1 message per domain with the
> > addresses attached?
> 
> RFC [2]822 recommends a maximum of 100 RCPT TO's per message.  

Fair enough.

> 
> > If anyone is running such a list (about 40 to 60 messages per day,
> > maybe 5k average size, 1000 users)...
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > ... what bandwidth do you find is sufficient.  
> 
> With QoS metrics and definitions as to the distribution of your target
> MXes this can't be answered.  In my case my system is rather connected
> (three T3s and two T1s), but then that's rather incidental to the tasks
> I have it perform and wasn't a requirement of the hosting site.

I would have to analyze my target MXes - which I haven't done.  My bad.

My QoS is low.  99% should be fine.  99.9% would be fantastic.  This is a 
volunteer list.

Here's a simple question I hope.  If I pass-through my messages to an 
external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages into the 
different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP server?  In other 
words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100 addresses (for 1000 
user list),  or does it pre-parse the list into domains and then send them?

 
> > Just doing the straight math results in a requirement of 1 Mb per
> > minute (174kB per second) upload speed to deliver messages within a 5
> > minute window.  
> 
> If you require a 5 minute delivery time to your ISP's smarthost, then
> yes.  Do you require a 5 minute delivery window?  Really?

5 minutes is a starting point,  but not necessarily what we will ultimately settle for.

-----------------------------------------
Robert Jolliffe
President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions
Technology Partner, Dynac Inc.
www.creativemfg.ca  www.dynactools.ca

tel (519)585-7524




From robert at creativemfg.ca  Tue Dec 24 17:01:33 2002
From: robert at creativemfg.ca (Rob Jolliffe)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:01:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1040743824.2043.27.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost>
Message-ID: <3E083E8D.30261.4DAD4F@localhost>

Hi,

On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote:

Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
From:           	Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To:             	robert at creativemfg.ca
Copies to:      	Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
Date sent:      	24 Dec 2002 10:30:20 -0500

> The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
> by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
> maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
> ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 

Thanks for the reply.  You say "by default."  Does this mean that it can be 
configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do 
that instead?

Thanks

-Rob


-----------------------------------------
Robert Jolliffe
President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions
Technology Partner, Dynac Inc.
www.creativemfg.ca  www.dynactools.ca

tel (519)585-7524




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Dec 24 17:58:00 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Dec 2002 11:58:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <3E083E8D.30261.4DAD4F@localhost>
References: <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost> 
	<3E083E8D.30261.4DAD4F@localhost>
Message-ID: <1040749084.2282.8.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 11:01, Rob Jolliffe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> Subject:        	Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
> From:           	Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> To:             	robert at creativemfg.ca
> Copies to:      	Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> Date sent:      	24 Dec 2002 10:30:20 -0500
> 
> > The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
> > by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
> > maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
> > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  You say "by default."  Does this mean that it can be 
> configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do 
> that instead?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Rob

In this case, the "non-default" is to break out the messages by
individual sender (what they now call personalization mode).

For your use, default should work okay.  Also, you should setup Sendmail
(or whatever MTA you are using) to use your ISP's Mail service as a
"smart relay".  That way, mailman will break out all the messages via
domain and send one message to each domain.

Each Mailing list message will be dropped off with your MTA (the local
Sendmail install).  Sendmail will see that the messages are not local
and forward them to your ISP's Mail service.  Your ISP will receive the
messages and do all the heavy lifting of DNS look-ups and different Mail
server communications.

Enjoy!

Jon Carnes



From robert at creativemfg.ca  Tue Dec 24 19:14:49 2002
From: robert at creativemfg.ca (Rob Jolliffe)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:14:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <1040749084.2282.8.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3E083E8D.30261.4DAD4F@localhost>
Message-ID: <3E085DC9.24804.C7AD2C@localhost>

Hi Jon,

Thanks to you and everyone for your answers.  I think I've got more or less 
the information I wanted.  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

-Rob

On 24 Dec 2002 at 11:58, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 11:01, Rob Jolliffe wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On 24 Dec 2002 at 10:30, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > 
> > > The way Mailman works by default is that it will break the message out
> > > by domain.  Thus it will send one message to each domain - up to a
> > > maximum of 100 folks at one domain, this is set in
> > > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
> > 
> > Thanks for the reply.  You say "by default."  Does this mean that it can be 
> > configured to NOT break messages into the domains and let the SMTP server do 
> > that instead?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > -Rob
> 
> In this case, the "non-default" is to break out the messages by
> individual sender (what they now call personalization mode).
> 
> For your use, default should work okay.  Also, you should setup Sendmail
> (or whatever MTA you are using) to use your ISP's Mail service as a
> "smart relay".  That way, mailman will break out all the messages via
> domain and send one message to each domain.
> 
> Each Mailing list message will be dropped off with your MTA (the local
> Sendmail install).  Sendmail will see that the messages are not local
> and forward them to your ISP's Mail service.  Your ISP will receive the
> messages and do all the heavy lifting of DNS look-ups and different Mail
> server communications.
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> 


-----------------------------------------
Robert Jolliffe
President, Creative Manufacturing Solutions
Technology Partner, Dynac Inc.
www.creativemfg.ca  www.dynactools.ca

tel (519)585-7524




From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 24 21:55:04 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 15:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 rc 1
Message-ID: <15880.51624.526771.37799@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


Well, it's Christmas Eve and it's snowing outside, so what more
festive thing is there to do but announce the release candidate for
Mailman 2.1 final. :)

It's been a long time coming, but hopefully it's worth unwrapping this
present!  I believe we're on track to make the final release before
the end of the year.  My humble thanks to everyone who's been involved
in the project.

See below for the short list of changes since 2.1 beta 6.  Most
importantly, Lithuanian support has been added.  The new tarball has
been uploaded to SourceForge and the various web sites have been
updated too.

Enjoy, and seasons greetings to all,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.1 rc 1 (24-Dec-2002)

    Bug fixes and language updates.  Also,

    - Lithuanian support has been added.

    - bin/remove_members grew --nouserack and --noadminack switches

    - configure now honors --srcdir


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 25 00:49:41 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 24 Dec 2002 18:49:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 rc 1
In-Reply-To: <15880.51624.526771.37799@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <15880.51624.526771.37799@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <1040773785.2617.1.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Awesome, dude!  Merry Christmas.

On Tue, 2002-12-24 at 15:55, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> Well, it's Christmas Eve and it's snowing outside, so what more
> festive thing is there to do but announce the release candidate for
> Mailman 2.1 final. :)
> 
> It's been a long time coming, but hopefully it's worth unwrapping this
> present!  I believe we're on track to make the final release before
> the end of the year.  My humble thanks to everyone who's been involved
> in the project.
> 
> See below for the short list of changes since 2.1 beta 6.  Most
> importantly, Lithuanian support has been added.  The new tarball has
> been uploaded to SourceForge and the various web sites have been
> updated too.
> 
> Enjoy, and seasons greetings to all,
> -Barry
> 
> -------------------- snip snip --------------------
> 2.1 rc 1 (24-Dec-2002)
> 
>     Bug fixes and language updates.  Also,
> 
>     - Lithuanian support has been added.
> 
>     - bin/remove_members grew --nouserack and --noadminack switches
> 
>     - configure now honors --srcdir
> 
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> 
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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Dec 25 06:36:32 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:36:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Rob Jolliffe" <robert@creativemfg.ca> 
   of "Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:59:39 EST." <3E083E1B.32477.4BEF79@localhost> 
References: Message from "Rob Jolliffe" <robert@creativemfg.ca> of "Mon, 23
	Dec 2002 15:39:38 EST." <3E072E3A.5105.1815136@localhost>
	<3E083E1B.32477.4BEF79@localhost> 
Message-ID: <23046.1040794592@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:59:39 -0500 
Rob Jolliffe <robert at creativemfg.ca> wrote:

> My QoS is low.  99% should be fine.  99.9% would be fantastic.  This
> is a volunteer list.

QoS in this sense is the latency between a message starting to be
broadcast and all copies to non-slow MXes delivered.

> Here's a simple question I hope.  If I pass-through my messages to an
> external SMTP server - does Mailman do the parsing of the messages
> into the different MX domains or does it leave that up to the SMTP
> server?  

Mailman does no parsing or processing of mail beyond adding list
specific headers and attaching bundles of RCPT TO addresses to messages
as it passes them to the MTA.

> In other words does it send the SMTP server 10 messages with 100
> addresses (for 1000 user list), or does it pre-parse the list into
> domains and then send them?

The former.

> 5 minutes is a starting point, but not necessarily what we will
> ultimately settle for.

For that sort of problem domain I'd be happy with an hour or less.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in  Wed Dec 25 08:48:31 2002
From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:18:31 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Rendering problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0212251302340.10631-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>


Hi,

We use Mailman-2.1b3 here. There is a problem with archives
vis-a-vis the rendering of attachments. I will explain the
situation with an example. For a list named cc-issues, the
following happens:

a) The attachments are scrubbed and strored in separate
   directory.

b) The URL generated is correct as far as UNIX path is concerned. In this 
example, it is:
 
http://lists.iitb.ac.in/mailman/private/cc-issues/attachments/4665e980/ldap_scheme.ps

When the URL is clicked, the Apache server marks the content-type
as "text/html" instead of "application/postscript". As a result, the
whole PS file is dumped as text on the broswer window.

c) If the URL is changed to:

http://lists.iitb.ac.in/pipermail/cc-issues/attachments/4665e980/ldap_scheme.ps

everything works as it should.

I dont know where to look. Is it a mailman problem or apache problem ? Can
somebody please help me out ??

--ajit 

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From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Wed Dec 25 16:17:30 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:17:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock
Message-ID: <20021225151729.GA13351@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi!

I searched the archives....
I did ./check_perms

Nothing helped ;(

I'm getting the following errors:

Dec 25 16:08:10 2002 (13284) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:09:07 2002 (13287) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:10:12 2002 (13306) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:11:05 2002 (13326) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:11:31 2002 (13327) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:12:04 2002 (13329) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:13:07 2002 (13337) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:14:06 2002 (13345) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:14:09 2002 (13346) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:15:09 2002 (13362) Could not acquire qrunner lock

What may be wrong? Please help, because messages are NOT being
delivered to my mailing list now ;/

I can see those files:

qfiles]# ls
65ca01fa1d0c9f5ef9d258029ac3278c00ba2fd3.db
65ca01fa1d0c9f5ef9d258029ac3278c00ba2fd3.msg
7348990aedecdbdb9017273c78261f086ea28348.db
7348990aedecdbdb9017273c78261f086ea28348.msg
790e28611a166d7624b392d6cd764fa5ff34b641.db
790e28611a166d7624b392d6cd764fa5ff34b641.msg
[...]

What can be wrong?? I have no idea... Anyone can help?
-- 
kocurek


From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Wed Dec 25 18:20:03 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
Message-ID: <20021225172003.GA22429@kocurek.eu.org>

OK... I'm still running 2.0.13 version.

When I tried to upgrade to 2.1rc1 I had the following problem:

[root at kocurek mailman-2.1rc1]# cd /usr/local/mailman/bin/
[root at kocurek bin]# ./check_perms
Could not import paths!

This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source
directory.  You must run this from the installation directory instead.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./check_perms", line 38, in ?
    import paths
  File "./paths.py", line 55, in ?
    import japanese
ImportError: No module named japanese
[root at kocurek bin]#

Any ideas?
I followed information from INSTALL and UPGRADING files.
-- 
kocurek


From haim at lame.at  Sun Dec 22 14:28:32 2002
From: haim at lame.at (Matthias F. Brandstetter)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:28:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] del. mailman archives
Message-ID: <200212221428.32103.haim@lame.at>

Hello Mailman team,

yesterday I installed mailman on my server and it works fine. But 
since I have limited disk space, I cannot archive the mails for an 
unlimited time.

Now to my question: Is there a way to config Mailman in a way, that it 
deletes the archives after let's say one week? Or do I have to delete 
one or more file(s) manually? And if so, which files do I have to 
delete in order to only keep on week of the archive?

Greets and thanks in advance, Matthias


From yfeng at whittier.edu  Fri Dec 20 19:09:56 2002
From: yfeng at whittier.edu (Feng Jeffrey)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:09:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error running ./configure
Message-ID: <B592D29DBC408C4FB5DDBFDBB04229B6181D18@email.whittier.edu>

I'm trying to install mailman onto FreeBSD. When I ran ./configure, I
received the following message:

checking for CGI extensions... no
host info not found, set $MAILHOST and/or $WWWHOST environ vars
$MAILHOST=None, $WWWHOST=None

When I tried to issue "make install", I got the message: make: don't know
how to make install. Stop

Does this mean that the installation failed? What should I to fix the
problem?

Thank you in advance.

Jeffrey

**********************************************************************
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Associate Director
Computing Services
Whittier College
Email: yfeng at whittier.edu
Tel: (562) 907-4287
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From kirsh_harris at asianminds.com  Sun Dec 22 11:14:05 2002
From: kirsh_harris at asianminds.com (Krish Harris)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:44:05 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Easy Unsubscribe links in emails
Message-ID: <000a01c2a9a2$de438c00$7edc5ecb@aadarsh>


Both the below options are very useful -- but if they work!!!

> List-Unsubscribe:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> 
> That provides the link and ability to send email and get unsubscribed.


I tried using the second option (sending a mail to
mailman-users-request at python.org with unsubscribe in subject) but did
not get unsubscribed nor did I receive any message. --?????

Also I tried the first option but it unnecessary gives you prompt for
putting your email address. Is it possible that user automatically gets
the second screen and he just have to click unsubscribe?


The above two options if they work, are very useful if you are running a
mailing list sole for marketing purpose and where password for
individual subscriber are not required at all.


Regards,
saurabh


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-bounces+krish_harris=asianminds.com at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+krish_harris=asianminds.com at python.org]
On
> Behalf Of Matthew Davis
> Sent: 17 December 2002 23:41
> To: Krish Harris
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] easy unsubscribe links in emails
> 
> * Krish Harris (kirsh_harris at asianminds.com) wrote:
> >
> > If we want to provide unsubscribe option to mailing list members
through
> > replying of the mail and they just type unsubscribe in the subject
--
> > how is this possible in mailman?
> 
> In the headers put in by mailman, you can see this.
> 
> List-Unsubscribe:
<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> 
> That provides the link and ability to send email and get unsubscribed.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------
> | Matthew Davis /\ http://dogpound.vnet.net/ |
> |--------------------------------------------|
> | Tuesday, December 17, 2002 / 01:09PM       |
> ----------------------------------------------
> I know it all. I just can't remember it all at once.
> 
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> 
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From russell at delge.com  Mon Dec 23 02:06:17 2002
From: russell at delge.com (Russell Persson)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 17:06:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] got AOL subscribers? read this - Important
Message-ID: <000501c2aa1f$80a94440$0301a8c0@reno.nv.us>

Sorry if this has been discussed already, but I came across something
tonight that I thought I should pass along.

re: Question marks in URLs in HTML emails bounced by AOL

AOL members on my mailman lists were not getting some HTML emails. Turns
out, after a couple hours of sending various sizes and shapes of HTML emails
from mailman to an AOL account, that AOL was bouncing emails (silently) if
there was a URL in the HTML that contained a "?". I assume it's because
malicious content can follow a question mark. Anyway, I got around the
problem by using a redirect on my site which points to the original URL that
contains the "?".

I searched around for help on this but I didn't find any, so I figured I
should post it to this list. Hope it hasn't been covered a hundred times
before.

-Russell





From dan at enewsletterresource.com  Mon Dec 23 15:55:03 2002
From: dan at enewsletterresource.com (Dan Gaskell)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:55:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
Message-ID: <1040655303.3e0723c750922@enewsletterresource.com>

Mailman,

I have mailman available to me under my host service - PeopleHost.com. 
Althought there are many fine features to your mail list service, I only want a 
few basic things: Users that can subscribe and/or unsubscribe, a confirmation 
email for them to respond, a welcome note after final cofirmation, a "sorry to 
see you go" email after they unsubscribe and a way to automatically manage the 
list (bounces, etc.). I do not need the members being able to post messages, 
passwords and so forth.

I know that Mailman does all this and more, but I simply want  those few items. 
What is they way that I can have these things? Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Dan Gaskell
dan at enewsletterresource.com




From amit at ontrackindia.com  Tue Dec 24 08:41:29 2002
From: amit at ontrackindia.com (Amit Khan)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:11:29 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list
Message-ID: <00e801c2ab1f$df8b9d40$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>

How can I make mailing list as a moderated one in mailman?  I found, there are no such options available in standard mailman admin interfaces. I want all the messages posted to the list will be published by the administrator or moderator - is it possible to configure the mailman to serve my purpose.

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From amit at ontrackindia.com  Tue Dec 24 10:18:39 2002
From: amit at ontrackindia.com (Amit Khan)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:48:39 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated mailing list..
Message-ID: <01e201c2ab2d$723fb150$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>

How can I make mailing list as a moderated one in mailman?  I found, there
are no such options available in standard mailman admin interfaces. I want
all the messages posted to the list will be published by the administrator
or moderator - is it possible to configure the mailman to serve my purpose.

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From bbates at brucebates.com  Tue Dec 24 18:42:41 2002
From: bbates at brucebates.com (Bruce Bates)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help: ImportError: No module named Mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021224123256.00a5a3d0@brucebates.com>

Help:

I recently installed Mailman on my server (Solaris UNIX /SunOS) and I am 
getting the following error message when python attempts to run the 
programs (such as "qrunner"). Because the cron file is set up to run 
"grunner" every minute I am getting 60+ error messages per hour in my email:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 83, in ?
     from Mailman import mm_cfg
ImportError: No module named Mailman

I think the problem may lie in the paths.py file, but attempts to revise it 
have had no effect.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bruce Bates
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From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Tue Dec 24 22:35:06 2002
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:35:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 rc 1
In-Reply-To: <15880.51624.526771.37799@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <15880.51624.526771.37799@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20021224213506.GA11819@us.ibm.com>

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 03:55:04PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> Well, it's Christmas Eve and it's snowing outside, so what more
> festive thing is there to do but announce the release candidate for
> Mailman 2.1 final. :)

On a related note, Postfix 2.0 is out now too. I remember reading
about how mailman works with postfix virtual domains so I wanted to
bring this up. 

It would be good to hear of any Mailman 2.1-rc-1 and postfix 2.0
virtual domain issues before Mailman 2.1 releases.

> It's been a long time coming, but hopefully it's worth unwrapping this
> present!  I believe we're on track to make the final release before
> the end of the year.  My humble thanks to everyone who's been involved
> in the project.

I know I'm seriously looking forward to 2.1 release. Great work Barry
and team, Mailman rocks.

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 25 19:06:33 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (jonc at nc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Rendering problems
Message-ID: <191690-220021232518633985@M2W091.mail2web.com>

I had a similar problem long ago and it was a problem with Apache (or
rather with my Linux distro - since apache was using the distro's mime file
to determine what the mime types were.

Good Luck - gotta run - Jon 

Original Message:
-----------------
From: ajit k jena ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:18:31 +0530 (IST)
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Rendering problems



Hi,

We use Mailman-2.1b3 here. There is a problem with archives
vis-a-vis the rendering of attachments. I will explain the
situation with an example. For a list named cc-issues, the
following happens:

a) The attachments are scrubbed and strored in separate
   directory.

b) The URL generated is correct as far as UNIX path is concerned. In this 
example, it is:
 
http://lists.iitb.ac.in/mailman/private/cc-issues/attachments/4665e980/ldap_
scheme.ps

When the URL is clicked, the Apache server marks the content-type
as "text/html" instead of "application/postscript". As a result, the
whole PS file is dumped as text on the broswer window.

c) If the URL is changed to:

http://lists.iitb.ac.in/pipermail/cc-issues/attachments/4665e980/ldap_scheme
.ps

everything works as it should.

I dont know where to look. Is it a mailman problem or apache problem ? Can
somebody please help me out ??

--ajit 

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 25 19:10:02 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (jonc at nc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:10:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock
Message-ID: <168270-220021232518102239@M2W043.mail2web.com>

Check out FAQ 3.14 and see if that helps.  I don't think the qrunner lock
message is a problem.  That is a common message and normally means that
another qrunner process is already running.

My guess is that you have a malformed message in your Qfiles.  The FAQ
tells you to copy out the messages in that current qfiles directory and
then send a test message through.  If the test message goes through then
one of the waiting queued up messages is the problem.

Good luck, and merry Christmas!

Jon Carnes

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Jacek Wojaczynski kocurek at kocurek.eu.org
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:17:30 +0100
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could not acquire qrunner lock


Hi!

I searched the archives....
I did ./check_perms

Nothing helped ;(

I'm getting the following errors:

Dec 25 16:08:10 2002 (13284) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:09:07 2002 (13287) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:10:12 2002 (13306) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:11:05 2002 (13326) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:11:31 2002 (13327) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:12:04 2002 (13329) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:13:07 2002 (13337) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:14:06 2002 (13345) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:14:09 2002 (13346) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Dec 25 16:15:09 2002 (13362) Could not acquire qrunner lock

What may be wrong? Please help, because messages are NOT being
delivered to my mailing list now ;/

I can see those files:

qfiles]# ls
65ca01fa1d0c9f5ef9d258029ac3278c00ba2fd3.db
65ca01fa1d0c9f5ef9d258029ac3278c00ba2fd3.msg
7348990aedecdbdb9017273c78261f086ea28348.db
7348990aedecdbdb9017273c78261f086ea28348.msg
790e28611a166d7624b392d6cd764fa5ff34b641.db
790e28611a166d7624b392d6cd764fa5ff34b641.msg
[...]

What can be wrong?? I have no idea... Anyone can help?
-- 
kocurek

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 25 19:14:19 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (jonc at nc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] del. mailman archives
Message-ID: <57050-2200212325181419608@M2W054.mail2web.com>

You will have to write a script to do this.  It's very easy.

The main file to edit will be ~mailman/lists/<listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox
(that's from memory... so it should be close to correct, but...).  The file
is in linear format.  The first messages to the list are at the top of the
file and the latest messages from the list at the bottom of the file.

You will have to edit the file, then erase all the archives and then
regenerate the archives using the ~mailman/bin/arch command.

If you search the archives you will find a message (or group of messages)
that details every step and has a sample script to edit the Mbox file.


Good Luck, and let us know if you need any more help!

Jon Carnes

===
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Matthias F. Brandstetter haim at lame.at
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:28:32 +0100
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] del. mailman archives


Hello Mailman team,

yesterday I installed mailman on my server and it works fine. But 
since I have limited disk space, I cannot archive the mails for an 
unlimited time.

Now to my question: Is there a way to config Mailman in a way, that it 
deletes the archives after let's say one week? Or do I have to delete 
one or more file(s) manually? And if so, which files do I have to 
delete in order to only keep on week of the archive?

Greets and thanks in advance, Matthias

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From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Wed Dec 25 19:15:01 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:15:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <1040655303.3e0723c750922@enewsletterresource.com>;
	from dan@enewsletterresource.com on Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 08:55:03AM -0600
References: <1040655303.3e0723c750922@enewsletterresource.com>
Message-ID: <20021225131501.A12113@dogpound.vnet.net>

You can set the welcome and farewell message in the mailman admin page.

Check the FAQ for an announce-only (or newsletter style) list.

That should get you pointed in the right direction!



Happy Holidays!

* Dan Gaskell (dan at enewsletterresource.com) wrote:
> Mailman,
> 
> I have mailman available to me under my host service - PeopleHost.com. 
> Althought there are many fine features to your mail list service, I only want a 
> few basic things: Users that can subscribe and/or unsubscribe, a confirmation 
> email for them to respond, a welcome note after final cofirmation, a "sorry to 
> see you go" email after they unsubscribe and a way to automatically manage the 
> list (bounces, etc.). I do not need the members being able to post messages, 
> passwords and so forth.
> 
> I know that Mailman does all this and more, but I simply want  those few items. 
> What is they way that I can have these things? Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan Gaskell
> dan at enewsletterresource.com


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Dec 25 19:17:04 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (jonc at nc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:17:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error running ./configure
Message-ID: <232810-220021232518174830@M2W057.mail2web.com>

Do you have an MTA and Web-server installed?  The ./configure could not
find any Mail-server or Web-server.  

Since the ./configure did NOT run, there was nothing to install.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Feng Jeffrey yfeng at whittier.edu
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:09:56 -0800
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error running ./configure


I'm trying to install mailman onto FreeBSD. When I ran ./configure, I
received the following message:

checking for CGI extensions... no
host info not found, set $MAILHOST and/or $WWWHOST environ vars
$MAILHOST=None, $WWWHOST=None

When I tried to issue "make install", I got the message: make: don't know
how to make install. Stop

Does this mean that the installation failed? What should I to fix the
problem?

Thank you in advance.

Jeffrey

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From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Wed Dec 25 19:18:19 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list
In-Reply-To: <00e801c2ab1f$df8b9d40$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>;
	from amit@ontrackindia.com on Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 01:11:29PM +0530
References: <00e801c2ab1f$df8b9d40$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>
Message-ID: <20021225131819.B12113@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Amit Khan (amit at ontrackindia.com) wrote:
> How can I make mailing list as a moderated one in mailman?  I found, there are no such options available in standard mailman admin interfaces. I want all the messages posted to the list will be published by the administrator or moderator - is it possible to configure the mailman to serve my purpose.

Yes.  Check the "Privacy Options" page.  And look for the "General posting filters" section on that page.  That should tell you what you want.


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From bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net  Wed Dec 25 19:24:14 2002
From: bigdog at dogpound.vnet.net (Matthew Davis)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing wellcome message
In-Reply-To: <007c01c2a7ef$72a60360$da71393e@menta.net>;
	from robert@cataloniahosting.com on Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 07:16:46AM +0100
References: <007c01c2a7ef$72a60360$da71393e@menta.net>
Message-ID: <20021225132414.C12113@dogpound.vnet.net>

* Robert Garrigos (robert at cataloniahosting.com) wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been looking for a way to change the wellcome message and only found a way to ad some text to it.
> 
> How do I change the wellcome message?

What version of mailman are you using?

Check the templates/ dir.

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From chasm at texas.net  Wed Dec 25 19:49:12 2002
From: chasm at texas.net (schuetzen - RKBA!)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:49:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing List
In-Reply-To: <1040655303.3e0723c750922@enewsletterresource.com>
References: <1040655303.3e0723c750922@enewsletterresource.com>
Message-ID: <d2vj0v00veru8eb45qed7ivq8es144p8t6@4ax.com>


you know, when all is said and done, all that most of us want is the same
software that was on onelist or perhaps the improvements made by the egroups
team.  I would feel that I had gone to heaven if I could get Yahoo's elist
software with the banners, etc stripped off.

does anyone know how any of the above might be accomplished??

iow, I do not really know that Yahoo has any right to keep the basic Mailman
scripts out of the public purview.  they probably could claim some right to any
changes that they have made to what they bought with the elists from egroups.

could anyone give me a reasoned explanation of how they can keep that software
from us or why, we cannot reverse engineer what they have now?

(I am on old subscriber to "you never know what you can get until you ask")

thanks
chas



...


From gloegl at fmi.uni-passau.de  Wed Dec 25 21:12:47 2002
From: gloegl at fmi.uni-passau.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Gl=F6gl?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:12:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Login for private archives
Message-ID: <002301c2ac51$fe9a2ac0$0200a8c0@family>

Hi everybody,

I have a strange problem with the login for accessing private list archives
within my mailman installation:

When the private archive is openend, the password is requested, and the site
can be entered. However if the user clicks on any of the "Thread, Subject"
or other links on the archive page, the login site opens up again. If email
and password are entered again, the user is one again to the archive
website.

I suspected a cookie problem first, however the cookies are set, and the
problem is not browser-dependant.

Any ideas how this can occur?

Thanks in advance,
Michael



From paul at thcwd.com  Wed Dec 25 23:40:40 2002
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 16:40:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <E18RGBD-0004Vl-02@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225163742.00bce020@mail.thcwd.com>

At 12:22 PM 12/25/2002, you wrote:
>When I tried to upgrade to 2.1rc1 I had the following problem:
>
>[root at kocurek mailman-2.1rc1]# cd /usr/local/mailman/bin/
>[root at kocurek bin]# ./check_perms
>Could not import paths!
>
>This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source
>directory.  You must run this from the installation directory instead.
>
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./check_perms", line 38, in ?
>     import paths
>   File "./paths.py", line 55, in ?
>     import japanese
>ImportError: No module named japanese

      I belive this is a python error.  Are you running at least Python 2.1?



<>< Paul



From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Dec 25 23:44:13 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 17:44:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <E18RGBB-0004V7-03@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.44.0212251742390.6153-100000@westin>

> This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source
> directory.  You must run this from the installation directory instead.

Did you try doing what it suggests here?

Greg

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From cp at axs.org  Thu Dec 26 01:16:28 2002
From: cp at axs.org (Chuck Peters)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:16:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225163742.00bce020@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225163742.00bce020@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <3E0A4A5C.5050104@axs.org>

Paul H Byerly wrote:

> At 12:22 PM 12/25/2002, you wrote:
>
>> When I tried to upgrade to 2.1rc1 I had the following problem:
>>
>> [root at kocurek mailman-2.1rc1]# cd /usr/local/mailman/bin/
>> [root at kocurek bin]# ./check_perms
>> Could not import paths!
>>
>> This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the 
>> source
>> directory.  You must run this from the installation directory instead.
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "./check_perms", line 38, in ?
>>     import paths
>>   File "./paths.py", line 55, in ?
>>     import japanese
>> ImportError: No module named japanese
>
>
>      I belive this is a python error.  Are you running at least Python 
> 2.1? 

I had a similiar problem after the upgrade from 2.1b3+CVS to 2.1rc1.
$ python -V
Python 2.1.3
$ whoami
mailman


$ bin/check_perms
directory permissions must be 02775: 
/usr/local/mailman/lists/starrymessenger/en
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/templates/et
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/templates/lt
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/templates/sv
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/messages/et
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/messages/lt
directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/messages/sv
mbox file must be at least 0660: 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cclug.mbox/cclug.mbox

mbox file must be at least 0660: 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cclug-announce.mbox/cclug-announce.mbox

Problems found: 9
Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
$ ls -l /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cclug.mbox/cclug.mbox
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     76240 Oct 23 18:38 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cclug.mbox/cclug.mbox
$ ls -l 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cclug-announce.mbox/cclug-announce.mbox
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman     19029 Oct  8 01:01 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/cclug-announce.mbox/cclug-announce.mbox
$ bin/check_perms -f
directory permissions must be 02775: 
/usr/local/mailman/lists/starrymessenger/en (fixing)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 349, in ?
    checkall()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 167, in checkall
    os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 287, in walk
    walk(name, func, arg)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 287, in walk
    walk(name, func, arg)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 123, in checkwalk
    os.chmod(path, mode | targetperms)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: 
'/usr/local/mailman/lists/starrymessenger/en'

Thanks,
Chuck

Chuck Peters, Systems Administrator, Network Engineer and Linux Tech.
StarrySkies Network, http://StarrySkies.com, publishing science articles
since 1995. http://StarrySkies.Net, an online science community.
http://StarryMessenger.Net, the weekly newsletter of StarrySkies.




From david at gof.se  Thu Dec 26 12:13:39 2002
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:13:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix 2- Mailman 2.1 problems
Message-ID: <63820.213.135.168.11.1040901219.squirrel@www.gof.se>

Dear gurus,

I upgraded to Postfix 2.0.0.1 and Mailman 2.1rc1 today. I ran in to some
problems. Below is a maillog output from my test list. There is only one
subscriber to this list and that is davidspam at gof.se

I have the same problem on my real lists. Postfix tries to mail a lot of
strange addresses and add the word 'relay' to most domains with the result
that mail is not delivered.

Postfix works perfect if I don't use it with Mailman. I upgraded Postfix
when I had Mailman 2.1b5 installed, and at that point I got the problems.
I then tried to fix my problems with an upgrade to 2.1rc1 with no result.

I also tried to downgrade Postfix but the problems remain.

HELP!

 Blue Skies,
 /David

Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/qmgr[5773]: DBC4B10E67: to=<- at gof.se>,
relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (invalid recipient syntax: "- at gof.se")
Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/local[8298]: DBC4B10E67: to=<n at gof.se>,
relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (unknown user: "n")
Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/local[8340]: DBC4B10E67: to=<smtp at gof.se>,
relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (unknown user: "smtp")
Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/local[8341]: DBC4B10E67: to=<unix at gof.se>,
relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (unknown user: "unix")
Dec 26 11:52:43 www postfix/smtp[8222]: DBC4B10E67:
to=<davidspam at gof.serelay>, relay=none, delay=1, status=bounced (Name
service error for gof.serelay: Host not found)




From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Thu Dec 26 12:53:45 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:53:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225163742.00bce020@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E18RGBD-0004Vl-02@mail.python.org>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20021225163742.00bce020@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <20021226115345.GA11225@kocurek.eu.org>

Wednesday, 25 Dec 2002 at 16:40 Paul H Byerly <paul at thcwd.com> wrote:
> >Traceback (most recent call last):
> >  File "./check_perms", line 38, in ?
> >    import paths
> >  File "./paths.py", line 55, in ?
> >    import japanese
> >ImportError: No module named japanese
>      I belive this is a python error.  Are you running at least Python 2.1?

Yes, it was a python error. It's described in README.LINUX
Problem solved. Thanks for help.
-- 
kocurek


From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Thu Dec 26 12:57:29 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:57:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSX.4.44.0212251742390.6153-100000@westin>
References: <E18RGBB-0004V7-03@mail.python.org>
	<Pine.OSX.4.44.0212251742390.6153-100000@westin>
Message-ID: <20021226115728.GB11225@kocurek.eu.org>

Wednesday, 25 Dec 2002 at 17:44 Greg Westin <greg at gregwestin.com> wrote:
> > This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source
> > directory.  You must run this from the installation directory instead.
> Did you try doing what it suggests here?

Yes. I did run check_perms from the installation directory.
It was a python error (missing python-devel, which is described
in README.LINUX). Problem solved.
-- 
kocurek


From david at gof.se  Thu Dec 26 14:32:05 2002
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:32:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix 2- Mailman 2.1 problems
In-Reply-To: <63820.213.135.168.11.1040901219.squirrel@www.gof.se>
References: <63820.213.135.168.11.1040901219.squirrel@www.gof.se>
Message-ID: <45747.213.135.168.11.1040909525.squirrel@www.gof.se>

I found the problem. I use maildrop to deliver my mail, and my
configuration doesn't support the new Postfix version.

 Blue Skies,
 /David

David said:
> Dear gurus,
>
> I upgraded to Postfix 2.0.0.1 and Mailman 2.1rc1 today. I ran in to some
> problems. Below is a maillog output from my test list. There is only one
> subscriber to this list and that is davidspam at gof.se
>
> I have the same problem on my real lists. Postfix tries to mail a lot of
> strange addresses and add the word 'relay' to most domains with the
> result that mail is not delivered.
>
> Postfix works perfect if I don't use it with Mailman. I upgraded Postfix
> when I had Mailman 2.1b5 installed, and at that point I got the
> problems. I then tried to fix my problems with an upgrade to 2.1rc1 with
> no result.
>
> I also tried to downgrade Postfix but the problems remain.
>
> HELP!
>
>  Blue Skies,
>  /David
>
> Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/qmgr[5773]: DBC4B10E67: to=<- at gof.se>,
> relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (invalid recipient syntax:
> "- at gof.se") Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/local[8298]: DBC4B10E67:
> to=<n at gof.se>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (unknown user: "n")
> Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/local[8340]: DBC4B10E67: to=<smtp at gof.se>,
> relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (unknown user: "smtp")
> Dec 26 11:52:42 www postfix/local[8341]: DBC4B10E67: to=<unix at gof.se>,
> relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (unknown user: "unix")
> Dec 26 11:52:43 www postfix/smtp[8222]: DBC4B10E67:
> to=<davidspam at gof.serelay>, relay=none, delay=1, status=bounced (Name
> service error for gof.serelay: Host not found)





From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Thu Dec 26 14:58:16 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 14:58:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UPGRADING continued...
Message-ID: <20021226135815.GA12094@kocurek.eu.org>

Hi everybody!

I'm a Linux newbie... (well... that is why probably I have some
problems with upgrading).

Now I have a running Mailman installation for my list with > 600
subscribers. It works fine... and I'm a little bit scared about
this upgrade if things go wrong...

My current version is:

# rpm -q mailman
mailman-2.0.13-5

I did not install it from source but automatically, using
poldek (it's sth similar to apt-get).
My directory structure looks now like this (Mailman 2.0):

/var/spool/mailman:
 /archives
 /data
 /filters
 /lists
 /locks
 /logs
 /qfiles
 /spam

/var/lib/mailman:
 /Mailman
 /bin
 /cron
 /icons
 /scripts
 /templates

/usr/lib/mailman
 /cgi-bin
 /mail

/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13

In /etc/httpd/httpd.conf I have:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/var/spool/mailman/archives/public/"

... and I have those standard cron entries. That's it.
Everything done as desribed in MM2.0 INSTALL file.
Works great.

OK. What I'd like to do is upgrade to 2.1rc1.

What would be the best upgrade strategy?
Download the source or wait for stable release and install it
with poldek? Hmmm... I can always wait, but I don't want to
wait. :-) So, I downloaded the source. I did ./configure
and "make install".

Now I have two installations together. One (2.0) still working
and the second one (2.1) compiled, installed and waiting...
Mailman 2.1 has its all files in:
/usr/local/mailman

OK. So far so good... Time for the real upgrade.
Is it really so simple? I don't think so... I started reading:
~/mailman-2.1rc1/UPGRADING
I read it once, twice.... three times and still have some
doubts.

Let's see:

  UPGRADING FROM 2.0.x to 2.1

    In Mailman 2.1, the qrunner subsystem has been completely
    rewritten.  You no longer start qrunner from cron!  Instead, there
    is a bin/mailmanctl script which is used to start, stop, and
    restart mail delivery.  This script is appropriate to use as a
    Unix init script.  Be sure to update your crontab with the new
    cron/crontab.in file.

Hm... should I delete my cron entries for qrunner? What does it
mean "Be sure to update your crontab with the new
cron/crontab.in file."? Remove all entries that contain
qrunner?? Will my old MM2.0 still work after removing those
crontab entries? Damn! I want to get rid of MM20... I want
a working 2.1 :-)

OK... I have nothing in /qfiles so I skip to another point:
 
  NOTE: When upgrading to Mailman 2.1beta1, you will need to
    regenerate your aliases files.  There have been many changes to
    the alias names, the programs they map to, and the name of the
    wrapper script.  See README.<yourMTA> for details of making
    Mailman work with your mail server.

Yeah, regenerate aliases... fine. But my new MM2.1 has no lists
so far. I did not move any files... I think that regenerating
aliases works for existing lists... maybe I'm missing something.

Let's skip to another point:

  UPGRADING INDIVIDUAL LISTS

    If you're nervous about upgrading all of your lists to 2.1 in one
    go, you can move them and upgrade them one at a time.  Start by
    doing a clean Mailman 2.1 installation in an empty directory --
    call it $MM21.  (I'll assume your Mailman 2.0 installation is in
    $MM20.)

Oh, yeah! I'm nervous about upgrading one of my lists to 2.1. :)
I did a clean MM2.1 installation.
I don't know which is mine $MM20 installation directory.

$MM20:
/var/spool/mailman:
/var/lib/mailman:
/usr/lib/mailman
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13

$MM21:
/usr/local/mailman

    If you use Apache with mod_rewrite, then it's fairly
    straightforward to set things up so that both Mailman 2.0 and 2.1
    inhabit the /mailman and /pipermail URL-space of your server; this
    makes the transition almost transparent to list admins and
    subscribers.  See below for details.

OK. I'm using Apache... possibly with mod_rewrite (hope so!) :-)
Do I really need both MM2.0 and MM2.1 inhabit /mailman and
/pipermail URL-space? I just want to move my list to 2.1 and
forget about 2.0 as quick as possible...

  * Shut down your MTA.
  * Shut down your web server.
  * Force Mailman 2.0 to process its queue

No problems with that... I can shutdown postfix. I can shutdown
Apache. No files in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles. Good.

  * Move the list:

          cd $MM20
          mv -i lists/foo-list $MM21/lists
          mv -i archives/private/foo-list $MM21/archives/private
          mv -i archives/private/foo-list.mbox $MM21/archives/private
          rm archives/public/foo-list
          rm archives/public/foo-list.mbox
          cd $MM21
          bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylist

        (The fix_url step will not be necessary if your Mailman 2.0
        and 2.1 installations will be sharing the same URL-space.)

OK. I can move everything from
/var/spool/mailman/archives/private/ to
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/

I can go to /usr/local/mailman/bin and type
"withlist -l -r fix_url listname" - but I don't think I need
that... Or maybe? Well... I have no idea. What does it mean to
share same URL-space?

      * Edit your web server config so the list's URLs continue to
        work.

Well to be honest I don't understand this one... Let's look
closer to some strange-looking rule for my httpd.conf:

    RewriteRule ^/mailman/(.*)/(foo-list.*) \
                        $MM21/cgi-bin/$1/$2 \
                        [T=application/x-httpd-cgi]

Wow! Looks nice :) I have no idea what does it do...
Anyway - I put it in my httpd.conf file... and my Apache didn't
want to start anymore. Of course I changed $MM21 with
/usr/local/mailman. Should I also change "$1" and "$2" with
something? What is going on here??

We're coming to the end of the UPGRADING file:

  In either case, you'll want to rewrite the list's archive URLs
          to Mailman 2.1's archive:

            RewriteRule ^/pipermail/(foo-list.*) $MM21/archives/public/$1

OK... I'm just wondering why is it done that way?
Can't I simply change a line in my httpd.conf:
Alias /pipermail/ "/var/spool/mailman/archives/public/"
with:
Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"

OK. I don't know. I'm just asking... I'm just curious...

   * Restart your web server (or disable the "temporarily
     unavailable" stuff).

   * Restart your MTA (or make it listen to more than just
     127.0.0.1).

Well that's a piece of cake...

Anyone still with me? :-)
Anyone can put some light on it? 

Why do I need an upgrade so fast? Because I need (and find it
very useful) internationalization.  Mailman 2.1 is multilingual.
I wanted to help with polish translation, but I can't do it
right if I'm working with an old MM2.0. I need a working MM2.1
to do this.

Any help would be appreciated.
-- 
kocurek


From preyforme at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 26 17:35:20 2002
From: preyforme at hotmail.com (Grant)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:35:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman rejects one list name
Message-ID: <OE54jQ8vjqueolj8Jec00000192@hotmail.com>

Greetings.

I have a rather perplexing problem... I've read the documentation... and
I've spoken with someone I consider to be an experienced Mailman admin with
no luck.

I have a RH 8.0 server. It is running Apache w/ a virtual domain, Postfix
with a canonical and virtual domain, and Mailman.

The normal domain, for this e-mail, will be "abc.org" while the virtual
domain is "123.org".

I can create and use a mailman list using any name other than "123" (the
name of the virtual domain).

The list 123 creates without problem, however, when I try to log in via
/mailman/admin/123/ I get the request for password, but it refuses to log me
in. Checking the error_log for apache gives me this:

[error] [client w.x.y.z] Premature end of script headers: admin, referer:
http://abc.org/mailman/admin/123/
[info] (104)Connection reset by peer: core_output_filter: writing data to
the network

The reason I'm writing to this list instead of apache... is that any other
mailing list works perfectly.

Help? Anyone?

Grant


From bhilburn at frontier.net  Thu Dec 26 18:21:51 2002
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:21:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One list not delivering (All recipients refused:...)
Message-ID: <1040923311.3e0b3aafee3d0@webmail.frontier.net>



Configuration:

Postfix 1.1.11
Mailman 2.1b5
Python 2.2.2

Fresh install on new box from source (not rpm)...

One list out of 20 is having this problem, all others are working fine.

Other lists have from 25 to 5000 subscribers, this list has 1,122.

Owner sends email to abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net and it seems to go 
out... BUT!  NO mail goes to other list members or list owner...
Only Bounce message goes to list owner and nothing else...

(tail -f /var/log/maillog|grep -i abbeytheatrelist) shows:

/var/log/maillog:  (Postfix)
Dec 26 09:43:40 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net
[66.118.220.6]: 550 <golightlygolightly at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
to=<golightlygolightly at frontier.net>
Dec 26 09:43:41 dpe postfix/pipe[10467]: B35BC78B3C: to=<abbeytheatrelist-
bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent 
(lists.frontier.net)
Dec 26 09:43:47 dpe postfix/pipe[10424]: 3C7C378B1C: to=<abbeytheatrelist-
bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0, status=sent 
(lists.frontier.net)
Dec 26 09:43:57 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net
[66.118.220.6]: 550 <eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
to=<eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>
Dec 26 09:44:06 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net
[66.118.220.6]: 550 <kstonekstone at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
to=<kstonekstone at frontier.net>
Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe postfix/cleanup[10633]: 4963378B51: message-
id=<mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net>
Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe spamd[11450]: processing message 
<mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net> for 
rhp at frontier.net:99, expecting 4866 bytes. 


/usr/local/mailman/logs/error:

  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
    self.docmd("quit")
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
    self.putcmd(cmd,args)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
    self.send(str)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
    raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first

/usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp:

Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first



Bill Hilburn
NOC Frontier Internet

-------------------------------------------------
This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service!



From gvelez at webglimpse.net  Thu Dec 26 17:06:22 2002
From: gvelez at webglimpse.net (Golda Velez)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:06:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions...removing headers & viewing bounces
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20021226080622.007710d0@216.19.215.2>

Hello Mailman folks

Thanks very much for great & needed software - I've been using Majordomo
for years but Mailman on first go-round looks much easier to administer,
and the big plus is auto-handling of bounced messages.

However - two questions, that I can't find anywhere in the docs

	1) Can I safely remove a lot of the headers from
Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py?  There's just too much for users to have
to wade thru on every message, I want the end-user messages to be as clean
and brief as possible.  I did remove some, but I'd like to know if its
kosher to do so...

	2) I'm getting what appears to be spurious bounce notices, but I don't
seem to be able to view the actual bounced message in order to see why.  I
have a list with 4 users including myself, and the 3 remote users are all
reporting bounces on every message, even though I can mail them by hand
without a problem.  (Maybe related to my header removal?  But some of the
bounces were before I did that)

Thanks very much for your code and help!  By the way if you have any use
please feel free to have commercial copy of Webglimpse index software, just
reply and I will assign username & password.  Then you could index all the
mailman-related sites and make them searchable in one place - and maybe
reduce some of these questions ;-)

--Golda
------------------------------------------------------------
Golda Velez         gvelez at webglimpse.net       626-792-9277
Internet Workshop                          http://iwhome.com
Webglimpse Search Software             http://webglimpse.net
		~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Help organize the world - index your own corner of the web


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec 26 18:49:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Dec 2002 12:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions...removing headers & viewing bounces
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20021226080622.007710d0@216.19.215.2>
References: <3.0.2.32.20021226080622.007710d0@216.19.215.2>
Message-ID: <1040925000.1617.20.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 11:06, Golda Velez wrote:
> Hello Mailman folks
> 
> Thanks very much for great & needed software - I've been using Majordomo
> for years but Mailman on first go-round looks much easier to administer,
> and the big plus is auto-handling of bounced messages.
> 
> However - two questions, that I can't find anywhere in the docs
> 
> 	1) Can I safely remove a lot of the headers from
> Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py?  There's just too much for users to have
> to wade thru on every message, I want the end-user messages to be as clean
> and brief as possible.  I did remove some, but I'd like to know if its
> kosher to do so...
> 
It fine to dump the headers.  It's totally your call.  The headers were
added in compliance to a new mailing list standard (a good standard that
mail-clients haven't caught up with yet).
 




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Dec 26 19:20:25 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 26 Dec 2002 13:20:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One list not delivering (All recipients
	refused:...)
In-Reply-To: <1040923311.3e0b3aafee3d0@webmail.frontier.net>
References: <1040923311.3e0b3aafee3d0@webmail.frontier.net>
Message-ID: <1040926829.1621.29.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

All the bounces were to <username>@frontier.net:
 golightlygolightly at frontier.net
 eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net
 kstonekstone at frontier.net

Are you sure that the Admin entered the email addresses (and *only* the
email addresses) into the system properly...  These sample email
addresses all look suspicious to me.  You don't normally see folks who
double their name inside an email address, and every one of these has a
double name.

Good luck - Jon Carnes


On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 12:21, Bill Hilburn wrote:
> 
> 
> Configuration:
> 
> Postfix 1.1.11
> Mailman 2.1b5
> Python 2.2.2
> 
> Fresh install on new box from source (not rpm)...
> 
> One list out of 20 is having this problem, all others are working fine.
> 
> Other lists have from 25 to 5000 subscribers, this list has 1,122.
> 
> Owner sends email to abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net and it seems to go 
> out... BUT!  NO mail goes to other list members or list owner...
> Only Bounce message goes to list owner and nothing else...
> 
> (tail -f /var/log/maillog|grep -i abbeytheatrelist) shows:
> 
> /var/log/maillog:  (Postfix)
> Dec 26 09:43:40 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net
> [66.118.220.6]: 550 <golightlygolightly at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
> from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> to=<golightlygolightly at frontier.net>
> Dec 26 09:43:41 dpe postfix/pipe[10467]: B35BC78B3C: to=<abbeytheatrelist-
> bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent 
> (lists.frontier.net)
> Dec 26 09:43:47 dpe postfix/pipe[10424]: 3C7C378B1C: to=<abbeytheatrelist-
> bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0, status=sent 
> (lists.frontier.net)
> Dec 26 09:43:57 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net
> [66.118.220.6]: 550 <eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
> from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> to=<eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>
> Dec 26 09:44:06 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net
> [66.118.220.6]: 550 <kstonekstone at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
> from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> to=<kstonekstone at frontier.net>
> Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe postfix/cleanup[10633]: 4963378B51: message-
> id=<mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net>
> Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe spamd[11450]: processing message 
> <mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net> for 
> rhp at frontier.net:99, expecting 4866 bytes. 
> 
> 
> /usr/local/mailman/logs/error:
> 
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
>     self.docmd("quit")
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
>     self.putcmd(cmd,args)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
>     self.send(str)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
>     raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
> SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first
> 
> /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp:
> 
> Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
> Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
> Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Hilburn
> NOC Frontier Internet
> 
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From bhilburn at frontier.net  Thu Dec 26 20:17:26 2002
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 12:17:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One list not delivering (All recipients
	refused:...)
In-Reply-To: <1040926829.1621.29.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <1040923311.3e0b3aafee3d0@webmail.frontier.net>
	<1040926829.1621.29.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1040930246.3e0b55c6b7e0a@webmail.frontier.net>


Your right, after looking at the list (bin/list_members) almost all of the 
addresses are doubled up like this... I will have to ask him why, when I 
looked at these logs I assumed it was why these bounced, didn't think about 
him loading *all* of the addresses like this...

What puzzles me is that I have two valid addresses in the list 
(bhilburn at frontier.net, bhilburn at realgeeks.net) and have not received a 
messages from the owners post...


Thanks Jon


Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:

> All the bounces were to <username>@frontier.net:
>  golightlygolightly at frontier.net
>  eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net
>  kstonekstone at frontier.net
> 
> Are you sure that the Admin entered the email addresses (and *only* the
> email addresses) into the system properly...  These sample email
> addresses all look suspicious to me.  You don't normally see folks who
> double their name inside an email address, and every one of these has a
> double name.
> 
> Good luck - Jon Carnes
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 12:21, Bill Hilburn wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Configuration:
> > 
> > Postfix 1.1.11
> > Mailman 2.1b5
> > Python 2.2.2
> > 
> > Fresh install on new box from source (not rpm)...
> > 
> > One list out of 20 is having this problem, all others are working fine.
> > 
> > Other lists have from 25 to 5000 subscribers, this list has 1,122.
> > 
> > Owner sends email to abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net and it seems to go
> 
> > out... BUT!  NO mail goes to other list members or list owner...
> > Only Bounce message goes to list owner and nothing else...
> > 
> > (tail -f /var/log/maillog|grep -i abbeytheatrelist) shows:
> > 
> > /var/log/maillog:  (Postfix)
> > Dec 26 09:43:40 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from
> mail.frontier.net
> > [66.118.220.6]: 550 <golightlygolightly at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
> > from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> > to=<golightlygolightly at frontier.net>
> > Dec 26 09:43:41 dpe postfix/pipe[10467]: B35BC78B3C:
> to=<abbeytheatrelist-
> > bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent 
> > (lists.frontier.net)
> > Dec 26 09:43:47 dpe postfix/pipe[10424]: 3C7C378B1C:
> to=<abbeytheatrelist-
> > bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0, status=sent 
> > (lists.frontier.net)
> > Dec 26 09:43:57 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from
> mail.frontier.net
> > [66.118.220.6]: 550 <eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>: User
> unknown; 
> > from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> > to=<eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>
> > Dec 26 09:44:06 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from
> mail.frontier.net
> > [66.118.220.6]: 550 <kstonekstone at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
> > from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> > to=<kstonekstone at frontier.net>
> > Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe postfix/cleanup[10633]: 4963378B51: message-
> > id=<mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net>
> > Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe spamd[11450]: processing message 
> > <mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net> for 
> > rhp at frontier.net:99, expecting 4866 bytes. 
> > 
> > 
> > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error:
> > 
> >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
> >     self.docmd("quit")
> >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
> >     self.putcmd(cmd,args)
> >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
> >     self.send(str)
> >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
> >     raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
> > SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first
> > 
> > /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp:
> > 
> > Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect()
> first
> > Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect()
> first
> > Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect()
> first
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Bill Hilburn
> > NOC Frontier Internet
> > 
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service!
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
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> > Unsubscribe or change your options at
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> 
> 
> 



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From ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in  Fri Dec 27 05:18:35 2002
From: ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in (ajit k jena)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:48:35 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Rendering problems
In-Reply-To: <191690-220021232518633985@M2W091.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0212270942200.18027-100000@indica.cc.iitb.ac.in>


Hi Jon,

Thanks for your response.

U r right. This is indeed is an apache issue. I think I have solved the
problem. I just put a redirect in the "httpd.conf" file. I will reproduce 
the exact line below so that someone in future may use the info.

The line is:

	Redirect /mailman/private/ http://lists.iitb.ac.in/pipermail/

--ajit

On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, jonc at nc.rr.com wrote:

> I had a similar problem long ago and it was a problem with Apache (or
> rather with my Linux distro - since apache was using the distro's mime file
> to determine what the mime types were.
> 
> Good Luck - gotta run - Jon 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: ajit k jena ajit at cc.iitb.ac.in
> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:18:31 +0530 (IST)
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> X-Scanned: By Symantec Carrier Scan Server
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachment Rendering problems
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We use Mailman-2.1b3 here. There is a problem with archives
> vis-a-vis the rendering of attachments. I will explain the
> situation with an example. For a list named cc-issues, the
> following happens:
> 
> a) The attachments are scrubbed and strored in separate
>    directory.
> 
> b) The URL generated is correct as far as UNIX path is concerned. In this 
> example, it is:
>  
> http://lists.iitb.ac.in/mailman/private/cc-issues/attachments/4665e980/ldap_
> scheme.ps
> 
> When the URL is clicked, the Apache server marks the content-type
> as "text/html" instead of "application/postscript". As a result, the
> whole PS file is dumped as text on the broswer window.
> 
> c) If the URL is changed to:
> 
> http://lists.iitb.ac.in/pipermail/cc-issues/attachments/4665e980/ldap_scheme
> .ps
> 
> everything works as it should.
> 
> I dont know where to look. Is it a mailman problem or apache problem ? Can
> somebody please help me out ??
> 
> --ajit 
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From cp at axs.org  Fri Dec 27 06:52:11 2002
From: cp at axs.org (Chuck Peters)
Date: 27 Dec 2002 00:52:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] notices of subscribes and unsubscribes
Message-ID: <1040968333.570.13.camel@spiral.tuxtops.com>


Re the "Should administrator get notices of subscribes and
unsubscribes?" which we have turned on.  Since the upgrade of 2.1rc1
from 2.1b3 we are getting 2 notifications of subscriptions and not
getting notifications of unsubscriptions.  I hope no one has been
experiencing this problem with new installs or upgrades of the 2.0.x
mailman. Any suggestions how to fix this?   

Thanks,
Chuck

-- 
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since 1995. http://StarrySkies.Net, an online science community.
http://StarryMessenger.Net, the weekly newsletter of StarrySkies.




From tseh_dek at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 27 08:03:01 2002
From: tseh_dek at yahoo.com (The Berean)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:03:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many is too many?
Message-ID: <20021227070301.28042.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I'm doing some research in an attempt to find the
ceiling on how many users I can have on a Mailman
powered listserv.  I understand the record so far is
147,000 users, but that listserv in question is an
announce-only list.  The listserv I have in mind is an
interactive listserv (listserv as a forum).  For those
who run large listserv forums, how many would you
figure could join such a list before the conversations
starts becoming chaotic and the mails become far too
excessive?  What could I expect in terms of bandwidth
from a listserv forum of 20,000 people for example? 
If you can point me to resources where I can do
further research Id appreciate that as well.

I need to determine what limit I should set before
closing the list to new subscriptions, and costs,
affordability, especially on the bandwidth a large
listserv forum will undoubtedly generate.

Appreciate any help!  Happy Holidays,

Berean

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From amit at ontrackindia.com  Fri Dec 27 10:41:04 2002
From: amit at ontrackindia.com (Amit Khan)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:11:04 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rights in mailbox file
References: <1040968333.570.13.camel@spiral.tuxtops.com>
Message-ID: <019c01c2ad8c$13501fc0$1b00a8c0@ontrackindia.com>

What should be the rights and ownership of my mailbox file?
I have configured a mailing list - but mail delivery is not happening. I
checked and found that my mailbox file is owned by root with group mailman -
but it don't have "w" permission to group. Though all other notification
like subscription request and pending request is working perfectly.

for any idea - please write me back.

How can I check from the admin console whether a mail has been delivered or
not? I found only from the archive option I can generate a list of mail
delivered through the list.

warm regards
amit




From bhilburn at frontier.net  Fri Dec 27 16:38:46 2002
From: bhilburn at frontier.net (Bill Hilburn)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:38:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One list not delivering (All recipients
	refused:...)
In-Reply-To: <1040930246.3e0b55c6b7e0a@webmail.frontier.net>
References: <1040923311.3e0b3aafee3d0@webmail.frontier.net>
	<1040926829.1621.29.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
	<1040930246.3e0b55c6b7e0a@webmail.frontier.net>
Message-ID: <1041003526.3e0c7406714e0@webmail.frontier.net>


I had the list owner dump all of the addresses then reload them, the list is 
working great and the customer is happy as a clam!


Quoting Bill Hilburn <bhilburn at frontier.net>:

> 
> Your right, after looking at the list (bin/list_members) almost all of the 
> addresses are doubled up like this... I will have to ask him why, when I 
> looked at these logs I assumed it was why these bounced, didn't think about
> 
> him loading *all* of the addresses like this...
> 
> What puzzles me is that I have two valid addresses in the list 
> (bhilburn at frontier.net, bhilburn at realgeeks.net) and have not received a 
> messages from the owners post...
> 
> 
> Thanks Jon
> 
> 
> Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>:
> 
> > All the bounces were to <username>@frontier.net:
> >  golightlygolightly at frontier.net
> >  eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net
> >  kstonekstone at frontier.net
> > 
> > Are you sure that the Admin entered the email addresses (and *only* the
> > email addresses) into the system properly...  These sample email
> > addresses all look suspicious to me.  You don't normally see folks who
> > double their name inside an email address, and every one of these has a
> > double name.
> > 
> > Good luck - Jon Carnes
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 12:21, Bill Hilburn wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Configuration:
> > > 
> > > Postfix 1.1.11
> > > Mailman 2.1b5
> > > Python 2.2.2
> > > 
> > > Fresh install on new box from source (not rpm)...
> > > 
> > > One list out of 20 is having this problem, all others are working fine.
> > > 
> > > Other lists have from 25 to 5000 subscribers, this list has 1,122.
> > > 
> > > Owner sends email to abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net and it seems to
> go
> > 
> > > out... BUT!  NO mail goes to other list members or list owner...
> > > Only Bounce message goes to list owner and nothing else...
> > > 
> > > (tail -f /var/log/maillog|grep -i abbeytheatrelist) shows:
> > > 
> > > /var/log/maillog:  (Postfix)
> > > Dec 26 09:43:40 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from
> > mail.frontier.net
> > > [66.118.220.6]: 550 <golightlygolightly at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
> > > from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> > > to=<golightlygolightly at frontier.net>
> > > Dec 26 09:43:41 dpe postfix/pipe[10467]: B35BC78B3C:
> > to=<abbeytheatrelist-
> > > bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent 
> > > (lists.frontier.net)
> > > Dec 26 09:43:47 dpe postfix/pipe[10424]: 3C7C378B1C:
> > to=<abbeytheatrelist-
> > > bounces at lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0, status=sent 
> > > (lists.frontier.net)
> > > Dec 26 09:43:57 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from
> > mail.frontier.net
> > > [66.118.220.6]: 550 <eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>: User
> > unknown; 
> > > from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> > > to=<eandajohnstoneandajohnston at frontier.net>
> > > Dec 26 09:44:06 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from
> > mail.frontier.net
> > > [66.118.220.6]: 550 <kstonekstone at frontier.net>: User unknown; 
> > > from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces at lists.frontier.net> 
> > > to=<kstonekstone at frontier.net>
> > > Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe postfix/cleanup[10633]: 4963378B51: message-
> > > id=<mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net>
> > > Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe spamd[11450]: processing message 
> > > <mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist at lists.frontier.net> for 
> > > rhp at frontier.net:99, expecting 4866 bytes. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error:
> > > 
> > >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit
> > >     self.docmd("quit")
> > >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd
> > >     self.putcmd(cmd,args)
> > >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd
> > >     self.send(str)
> > >   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send
> > >     raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first')
> > > SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first
> > > 
> > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp:
> > > 
> > > Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run
> connect()
> > first
> > > Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run
> connect()
> > first
> > > Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run
> connect()
> > first
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bill Hilburn
> > > NOC Frontier Internet
> > > 
> > > -------------------------------------------------
> > > This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> > > 
> > > This message was sent to: jonc at nc.rr.com
> > > Unsubscribe or change your options at
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Hilburn
> NOC Frontier Internet
> 
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> 
> 



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From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Fri Dec 27 16:31:33 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:31:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Message-ID: <200212271531.gBRFVrjI010014@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>


> My suggestion to you is that you re-install Python, then re-install
> Mailman.  Both are fairly easy to do.  The order is important - you
> definitely want to re-install Mailman after installing Python.

OK, reinstalled python.  Python works.  (v2.1)

Then, reinstalled mailman (v2.0.13).  Mailman still does *not* allow for admin 
logins... only site and user logins.  No errors logged!

All built from "scratch"... i.e. with ./configure   make   make install
on Solaris 2.6.

> Good Luck (and if you happen to hang that way: Merry Christmas!)

Have a great holiday.  Thanks!  :)

Oh, and if you have any other ideas on what to do (anybody reading), please let 
me know.  This is very frustrating.

I'd love to downgrade back to 2.08 without losing my 2.0.13 archive data.  
Anyone know how?   2.08 had worked fine before the 2.13 upgrade.  But, 2.08 
won't let me install it, because a higher version is already on.

Steve


> 
> Jon Carnes 
> 
> ======
> On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:29, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> > Hi Jon!
> > 
> > Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password 
for 
> > a list.  Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site 
> > admin), and did a dumpdb again.  I get the same encrypted password for the 
list 
> > admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin).
> > 
> > What else can I try?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Steve
> > steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> > 
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
> > > From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > > To: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500
> > > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > > X-Keywords: 
> > > 
> > > In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted,
> > > well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can
> > > easily figure this part out.
> > > 
> > > In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems
> > > to be that the encryption has changed.  Normally resetting the password
> > > via the web-admin works.  I don't know why it's not working in your case
> > > - unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman.
> > > 
> > > You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try
> > > to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually
> > > changed.
> > > 
> > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> > > > Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on 
the 
> > > > config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a 
given 
> > > > list?  I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what 
looked 
> > like 
> > > > the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set 
to.
> > > > 
> > > > A (bogus) example of this:  Here are what looks like the admin lines 
from 
> > the 
> > > > config.db dump:
> > > > 
> > > >  'owner': ['testlistadmin at cs.jhu.edu'],
> > > >     'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp',
> > > >     'passwords': {user1 at jhu.edu': 'sdjlkl',
> > > >                      'user2 at jhu.edu': 'nasdat',
> > > >                      'user3 at jhu.edu': 'kljlkd',
> > > >                      'user4 at jhu.edu': 'jsdafk',
> > > > },
> > > > 
> > > > So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not 
> > listed 
> > > > in plain text as to what the password is.
> > > > 
> > > > How do we get that password?  If I had that info, I could check to see 
why 
> > we 
> > > > are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user 
> > > > (subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password.  (for mm 
> > 2.0.13)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > Steve
> > > > steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > 
> > > > > Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500
> > > > > From: Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com>
> > > > > To: Gary Smith <gary8smith at hotmail.com>
> > > > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > > 
> > > > > The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can
> > > > > easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be 
system
> > > > > admin):
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote:
> > > > > Hi.
> > > > >  
> > > > > How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on 
the
> > > > > 'send me my password button'?
> > > > >  
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >  
> > > > > Gary Smith
> > 
> 


Steve Rifkin - JHU CS Dept Sr. Unix Systems Administrator
               Technical Director
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
410-516-6281





From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Fri Dec 27 16:45:16 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:45:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
Message-ID: <200212271545.gBRFjajI010449@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

The other interesting thing I found is that once I log into a list as the SITE 
ADMIN, if I go to change the list admin's password, I can put anything into:

Enter new password: 

Then, I can put something different into:

 Confirm new password:


I can then proceed to click Submit Your Changes, and I receive NO error that the 
password I put in and the confirmation of that password are different.  It acts 
like it's trying to submit, but then, just returns me back to the top of the 
list admin page for the list.

I also notice that if I put some bogus password into
the Enter Current Password fied at the bottom, and hit submit, I get:

Error: Incorrect administrator password

displayed at the top of the page.  That tells me that the list thinks it has 
some list admin password set... but, there's no way to figure out what it is?

Steve
teve
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu



From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Fri Dec 27 17:57:05 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:57:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members  UPDATE
Message-ID: <200212271657.gBRGvPjI021958@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Going an extra step, I compiled python 2.2.2 and put it in place.

I then rebuilt mailman (based on the new python).  Again, mailman works EXCEPT 
FOR list admin passwords.

I'm running out of options.  I'm now at python 2.2.2 and mailman 2.0.13, and my 
list admins cannot log in, but the site admin and users can.

When the site admin changes the list admin password for a list, should there be 
a confirmation of the change AFTER submit is clicked?

WHOA!  Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman 
and group mailman. 

At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like:

-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Jan 30  2002 handle_opts.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Jan 30  2002 headfoot.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3136 Jan 30  2002 listinfo.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4106 Jan 30  2002 options.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Jan 30  2002 roster.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Jan 30  2002 subscribe.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Jan 30  2002 admindbpreamble.html


 That's ok.  HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a 
list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db:
 
 -rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Jan 30  2002 handle_opts.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Jan 30  2002 headfoot.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3136 Jan 30  2002 listinfo.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4106 Jan 30  2002 options.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Jan 30  2002 roster.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Jan 30  2002 subscribe.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Jan 30  2002 admindbpreamble.html


And the filesize for config.db does not change.  I suspect that the config.db 
file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin.

The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody!

Why?

Maybe the above is a clue to the problem!

Any thoughts?

Steve
steve410 at cs.jhu.edu




From rhorer at swbell.net  Fri Dec 27 18:01:54 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:01:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many is too many?
In-Reply-To: <20021227070301.28042.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021227070301.28042.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200212271101.54855.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Friday 27 December 2002 01:03, The Berean wrote:
> I'm doing some research in an attempt to find the
> ceiling on how many users I can have on a Mailman
> powered listserv.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but you used the term "listserv" eight 
times in your note.  Listserv is a registered trademark for mailing 
list manager software by Lsoft Inc.  I believe the generic term you 
were looking for is "list server".

I have no connection with Lsoft and have never used their software.  I 
just feel it's important to make the distinction between their 
commercial software and the freeware Mailman.  Of course we all know 
Mailman is better! :)

Sorry I don't have an answer to your question about the practical limit 
on the size of an interactive list.  I imagine it depends largely on 
how active the subscribers are.

Kyle
-- 
Since the general civilizations of mankind, I believe there are more
instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual
and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden
usurpations.
                                                  -James Madison




From steve410 at cs.jhu.edu  Fri Dec 27 18:17:53 2002
From: steve410 at cs.jhu.edu (Steve Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:17:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members  UPDATE
Message-ID: <200212271718.gBRHIDjI023083@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>

Oh, I should also add that, as user mailman, when I run:

bin/check_perms

I get:

No problems found

--------
Steve



From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Fri Dec 27 18:37:49 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:37:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about MM and virtual host!
Message-ID: <20021227173749.66312.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi,

  I've installed Mailman 2.1b3 from source under
Debian Linux 3.0 (MTA is qmail) I would like to know
how to configure mailman with virtual host i.e. :


   list at mydomain1.com 
   list at mydomain2.com
   list at mydomain3.com
         .
         .
         .

  I?ve been searching in faq, I found an answer about
something related with tables and ScriptAlias in
sendmail, but I don?t know what is that?

 Can anyone help me? 
 Thanks a lot!

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Fri Dec 27 20:52:57 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:52:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 3, Issue 53
In-Reply-To: <E18Rxrv-0001tU-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSX.4.44.0212271450430.8693-100000@westin>

Check the archives for this... I remember reading posts about this maybe a
month ago, but I don't remember if it was solved or not.  Sorry I can't be
of more help.

-Greg

> From: Steve Rifkin <steve410 at cs.jhu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members  UPDATE
>
> WHOA!  Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman
> and group mailman.
>
> At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like:
>
> -rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db
> -rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Jan 30  2002 handle_opts.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Jan 30  2002 headfoot.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3136 Jan 30  2002 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4106 Jan 30  2002 options.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Jan 30  2002 roster.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Jan 30  2002 subscribe.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Jan 30  2002 admindbpreamble.html
>
>
>  That's ok.  HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a
> list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db:
>
>  -rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db
> -rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Jan 30  2002 handle_opts.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Jan 30  2002 headfoot.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3136 Jan 30  2002 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4106 Jan 30  2002 options.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Jan 30  2002 roster.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Jan 30  2002 subscribe.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Jan 30  2002 admindbpreamble.html
>
>
> And the filesize for config.db does not change.  I suspect that the config.db
> file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin.
>
> The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody!
>
> Why?
>
> Maybe the above is a clue to the problem!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Steve
> steve410 at cs.jhu.edu



From tseh_dek at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 27 21:29:31 2002
From: tseh_dek at yahoo.com (The Berean)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:29:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many is too many?
In-Reply-To: <200212271101.54855.rhorer@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20021227202931.47911.qmail@web11401.mail.yahoo.com>

> I don't mean to be pedantic, but you used the term
> "listserv" eight times in your note.  Listserv is a
>registered trademark for mailing list manager
>software by Lsoft Inc.

It's funny, because I just learned that last night
while I was doing some research.  I always thought it
was a generic term to describe a generic email
discussion list.  Now I'm gonna get beat over the head
for being an utter moron.  :-O

Regarding my question,  I guess I need to find some
resources that can help me make an assessment on what
would be an acceptable limit for how large my
listse...err email discussion group list forum
whatever should be.  :D

Happy New Year,

Berean

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Dec 27 23:14:14 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Dec 2002 17:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How many is too many?
In-Reply-To: <20021227070301.28042.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20021227070301.28042.qmail@web11404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1041027257.2433.13.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

For an interactive list, it really depends on the subject and the number
of folks who actually post.  I've found that once a list grows close to
about a thousand that it's Signal to Noise ratio drops significantly and
you begin to loose a lot of folks who mainly contribute Signal (leaving
behind more Noise...).

If you are contemplating a large interactive list, I suggest that you
bring up a News Server and let folks read/contribute in that manner.
Mailman makes the transition from Mailing List to News List quite easy
as it provides a built-in gateway for  Mail to News (and vis-versa).

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 02:03, The Berean wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm doing some research in an attempt to find the
> ceiling on how many users I can have on a Mailman
> powered listserv.  I understand the record so far is
> 147,000 users, but that listserv in question is an
> announce-only list.  The listserv I have in mind is an
> interactive listserv (listserv as a forum).  For those
> who run large listserv forums, how many would you
> figure could join such a list before the conversations
> starts becoming chaotic and the mails become far too
> excessive?  What could I expect in terms of bandwidth
> from a listserv forum of 20,000 people for example? 
> If you can point me to resources where I can do
> further research Id appreciate that as well.
> 
> I need to determine what limit I should set before
> closing the list to new subscriptions, and costs,
> affordability, especially on the bandwidth a large
> listserv forum will undoubtedly generate.
> 
> Appreciate any help!  Happy Holidays,
> 
> Berean
> 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Dec 27 23:32:06 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 27 Dec 2002 17:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members  UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <200212271657.gBRGvPjI021958@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
References: <200212271657.gBRGvPjI021958@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <1041028331.2433.32.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Catching up on a few of your messages...

I'm betting that your Web-server runs as user nobody, so changes via the
web to the list config may end-up as being owned by "nobody".

Shouldn't you have the sticky bit set for the group on all those
directories and files (if the check came back okay then it must be
correct - sorry).

What are you using for Password authentication on your system?  Are you
using PAMs?  What does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look like (are you
using NIS)?

What happens when you run the site password program?

On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 11:57, Steve Rifkin wrote:
> Going an extra step, I compiled python 2.2.2 and put it in place.
> 
> I then rebuilt mailman (based on the new python).  Again, mailman works EXCEPT 
> FOR list admin passwords.
> 
> I'm running out of options.  I'm now at python 2.2.2 and mailman 2.0.13, and my 
> list admins cannot log in, but the site admin and users can.
> 
> When the site admin changes the list admin password for a list, should there be 
> a confirmation of the change AFTER submit is clicked?
> 
> WHOA!  Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman 
> and group mailman. 
> 
> At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like:
> 
> -rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db
> -rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Jan 30  2002 handle_opts.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Jan 30  2002 headfoot.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3136 Jan 30  2002 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4106 Jan 30  2002 options.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Jan 30  2002 roster.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Jan 30  2002 subscribe.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Jan 30  2002 admindbpreamble.html
> 
> 
>  That's ok.  HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a 
> list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db:
>  
>  -rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db
> -rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       189 Jan 30  2002 handle_opts.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1026 Jan 30  2002 headfoot.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      3136 Jan 30  2002 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      4106 Jan 30  2002 options.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1169 Jan 30  2002 roster.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman       198 Jan 30  2002 subscribe.html
> -rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      1706 Jan 30  2002 admindbpreamble.html
> 
> 
> And the filesize for config.db does not change.  I suspect that the config.db 
> file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin.
> 
> The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody!
> 
> Why?
> 
> Maybe the above is a clue to the problem!
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Steve
> steve410 at cs.jhu.edu
> 
> 




From gvelez at webglimpse.net  Sat Dec 28 04:02:46 2002
From: gvelez at webglimpse.net (Golda Velez)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:02:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions...removing headers & viewing
  bounces
In-Reply-To: <1040925000.1617.20.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3.0.2.32.20021226080622.007710d0@216.19.215.2>
 <3.0.2.32.20021226080622.007710d0@216.19.215.2>
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.20021227190246.0101c1c0@216.19.215.2>

Thanks for the quick reply!

Is there any way to view the full bounce responses with headers?  I'm just
getting the actual message back, with none of the SMTP bounce headers that
would explain why they are bouncing.  And, I can send mail individually to
the users on the list with no problem.

My apologies if this is obvious, but I didn't see anything on it in the
docs I read...

--Golda

At 12:49 PM 12/26/02 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>On Thu, 2002-12-26 at 11:06, Golda Velez wrote:
>> Hello Mailman folks
>> 
>> Thanks very much for great & needed software - I've been using Majordomo
>> for years but Mailman on first go-round looks much easier to administer,
>> and the big plus is auto-handling of bounced messages.
>> 
>> However - two questions, that I can't find anywhere in the docs
>> 
>> 	1) Can I safely remove a lot of the headers from
>> Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py?  There's just too much for users to have
>> to wade thru on every message, I want the end-user messages to be as clean
>> and brief as possible.  I did remove some, but I'd like to know if its
>> kosher to do so...
>> 
>It fine to dump the headers.  It's totally your call.  The headers were
>added in compliance to a new mailing list standard (a good standard that
>mail-clients haven't caught up with yet).
> 
>
>	2) I'm getting what appears to be spurious bounce notices, but I don't
seem to be able to view the actual bounced message in order to see why.  I
have a list with 4 users including myself, and the 3 remote users are all
reporting bounces on every message, even though I can mail them by hand
without a problem.  (Maybe related to my header removal?  But some of the
bounces were before I did that)
>>
>
>
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From nino at adc.org  Fri Dec 27 16:51:23 2002
From: nino at adc.org (nino at adc.org)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chunk
Message-ID: <001801c2adbf$cfa48660$7a01a8c0@NINO>

I need to see the entire list of all of our members in mailman, but it only lets me see them in chunks of 30.  How do I show all the chunks?

-Nino


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Dec 28 15:52:58 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Dec 2002 09:52:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chunk
In-Reply-To: <001801c2adbf$cfa48660$7a01a8c0@NINO>
References: <001801c2adbf$cfa48660$7a01a8c0@NINO>
Message-ID: <1041087182.9550.1.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

For existing lists you can change the chunck size using the "with-list"
command, but you can also modify the default by editing the
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file.

If you have command line access, you can dump out the list membership
using the commands in ~mailman/bin/..

On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 10:51, nino at adc.org wrote:
> I need to see the entire list of all of our members in mailman, but it only lets me see them in chunks of 30.  How do I show all the chunks?
> 
> -Nino
> 
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Dec 28 16:03:15 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Dec 2002 10:03:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 questions...removing headers & viewing bounces
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20021227190246.0101c1c0@216.19.215.2>
References: <3.0.2.32.20021226080622.007710d0@216.19.215.2>
	<3.0.2.32.20021226080622.007710d0@216.19.215.2> 
	<3.0.2.32.20021227190246.0101c1c0@216.19.215.2>
Message-ID: <1041087798.9550.11.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 22:02, Golda Velez wrote:
> Thanks for the quick reply!
> 
> Is there any way to view the full bounce responses with headers?  I'm just
> getting the actual message back, with none of the SMTP bounce headers that
> would explain why they are bouncing.  And, I can send mail individually to
> the users on the list with no problem.
> 
> My apologies if this is obvious, but I didn't see anything on it in the
> docs I read...
> 
> --Golda
> 
Some folks on the list claim to have been able to redirect the bounces
to themselves by changing some aliases, but I haven't been able to
duplicate their feats.  I have modified the source to get the bounces
copied to the local mailman user.

I've trouble-shoot sites with similar problems.  In those cases, the
problem sites were running over-zealous spam protection.  A good test
case is to grab a header/body from one of your Mailing list messages and
construct a text file out of it, modify a few items to make sure you get
the bounces and then drop it into the mail stream while su-ed as user
mailman.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From kocurek at kocurek.eu.org  Sat Dec 28 20:36:15 2002
From: kocurek at kocurek.eu.org (Jacek Wojaczynski)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:36:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UPGRADING continued...
In-Reply-To: <20021226135815.GA12094@kocurek.eu.org>
References: <20021226135815.GA12094@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <20021228193615.GB11597@kocurek.eu.org>

Thursday, 26 Dec 2002 at 14:58 Jacek Wojaczynski
<kocurek at kocurek.eu.org> wrote:

[big cut]
> Any help would be appreciated.

Well just as expected. No support here ;-/

Or maybe nobody did a successful upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1?
-- 
kocurek


From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Dec 28 22:10:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 28 Dec 2002 16:10:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UPGRADING continued...
In-Reply-To: <20021228193615.GB11597@kocurek.eu.org>
References: <20021226135815.GA12094@kocurek.eu.org> 
	<20021228193615.GB11597@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <1041109861.9554.16.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

<Big Sigh>

Alright, how many times do you want to hear: If you have problems
upgrading then you will have to move the lists over manually...?

You know dump out the list configs and the list memberships (using the
command line if necessary) then install 2.1 fresh and re-create the
lists.

You can always install 2.1 in new directory and create a user:
"mailman21" and use that as the primary user.  Then both installs can
run side-by-side until you get the upgraded one working on your lists. 
You can also convert lists one-by-one.

Good Luck.  And you find an easier answer be sure to post it!

On Sat, 2002-12-28 at 14:36, Jacek Wojaczynski wrote:
> Thursday, 26 Dec 2002 at 14:58 Jacek Wojaczynski
> <kocurek at kocurek.eu.org> wrote:
> 
> [big cut]
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Well just as expected. No support here ;-/
> 
> Or maybe nobody did a successful upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1?
> -- 
> kocurek
> 
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From jame at centurytel.net  Sat Dec 28 20:06:46 2002
From: jame at centurytel.net (JMD)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cAse SeNsiTiVe
Message-ID: <000601c2aec9$aa24e780$97b18ed1@user>

Hello, I am attempting to set up a list on my website but it will not allow me to make the name lower case. I have seen some lists that do allow this and am wonding if I am missing something here? I even tried to change the case (first letter) afterwards but it will not allow that either. Any help is appreciated!
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From web at reportica.net  Sun Dec 29 00:21:25 2002
From: web at reportica.net (Sheryl Coe)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:21:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] True Stories: Personalization
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20021228174117.01fc21f0@reportica.net>



As soon as I turned on personalization I got one complaint because one 
sub--scriber who thought that their email address and password had been 
mailed to the ENTIRE LIST as an example. (This is True.)  ...and I didn't 
think they'd notice the change. Then another person, sub--scribed under 
multiple email addresses complained that they couldn't access ALL their 
subscriptions from one user page, as promised. So I updated my personalized 
footer, it now states the options are specific to the email address.

Here's my own humble how-to, assembled shamelessly from previous posts to 
this Mailman list.

<#> WHAT PERSONALIZATION LOOKS LIKE

 > This personalization example is from this Mailman list (urls are not 
real, do not click):

>This message was sent to: test8 at subscriber.net
>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/test8%40subscriber.net

 > This is what I recommend (urls are not real, do not click):
>_______________________________________________
>GENERAL LIST INFORMATION:
>
>The TEST mailing list
>TEST at lists.listsdomain.net
>http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/test
>_______________________________________________
>YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS:
>
>Unsubscribe or choose new options at
>http://www.listdomain.net/mailman/options.cgi/test/test8%40subscriber.net
>
>For all lists you are subscribed to at
>    lists.listdomain.net
>under the email address
>    test8 at subscriber.net
>your current password is
>    notarealpass
>_______________________________________________

<#> CHANGES YOU MAKE TO THE mm_cfg.py FILE

I pasted the lines below to make personalization possible.

>  From the FAQ: Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman 
> adds to each message?
>A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization by 
>setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file
>
>VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1 
>VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1

If you want to give the power to your list owners:

>OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1

<#> HOW TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION FOR LIST ADMINS

It's all done in the NON-DIGEST OPTIONS screen:

<#><#>Go to the option for "Should Mailman personalize each non-digest 
delivery?"

"Select No to disable personalization and send messages to the members in 
batches. Select Yes to personalize deliveries and allow additional 
substitution variables in message headers and footers (see below). In 
addition, by selecting Full Personalization, the To header of posted 
messages will be modified to include the member's address instead of the 
list's posting address. "

<#><#>Go to the option for "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members."

Paste this text:

_______________________________________________
GENERAL LIST INFORMATION:

The %(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
_______________________________________________
YOUR PERSONAL SUBSCRIBER OPTIONS:

Unsubscribe or choose new options at
%(user_optionsurl)s

For all lists you are subscribed to at
     %(host_name)s
under the email address
     %(user_delivered_to)s
your current password is
     %(user_password)s
_______________________________________________

END OF HOW-TO SET UP PERSONALIZATION

Has anyone tried it and had to stop due to performance issues, how bad is 
the drag?

Also, I really wanted to include a one-click unsubscribe. But I'm sure that 
many subscribers are having mail forwarded and it would only frustrate 
them. Any solutions?

I would think that it would significantly lower support costs to be able to 
include an options url and the password in every message.  I'd love to hear 
how this works out for other list owners.

Sheryl Coe




From ianlist at ianp.net  Sun Dec 29 13:39:42 2002
From: ianlist at ianp.net (Ian Pilkington)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:09:42 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments causes footer not to display
Message-ID: <006401c2af37$5e843560$b3c08890@spunk>

I run  a few mailing lists using 2.0.13

If a user posts a plain email to the list the footer comes through ok (I.e.
to unsubscribe or modify your subscriptions options visit http://blah)

However if a file attachment is sent through as well as plain text the
footer is not sent in the email.

Has anyone come across this?

I haven't seen it mention in any of the list archives or known bugs, so I
wonder if it's something I've got set wrong?

Regards,

Ian.


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From dave at umiacs.umd.edu  Sun Dec 29 17:08:12 2002
From: dave at umiacs.umd.edu (Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:08:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] highly closed list
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0212291106030.4738-100000@raysrv1>

We've set up a number of private lists (only the admin can post or only the
admin plus members). Now the admins are complaining about the request
for post approval messages from spammers. Is there any way to have non-members
messages completely disappear or at worst, get an autoreply saying the list
is private?

Thanks



 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 David Stern                                            University of Maryland
                Institute for Advanced Computer Studies



From barry at python.org  Sun Dec 29 21:06:27 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 15:06:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: autorespond_requests in 2.1x
References: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>
Message-ID: <m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "MG" == Mark Geisinger <list-mailman at lanbytes.com> writes:

    MG> Is autorespond_requests broken in 2.1x, or do I perhaps
    MG> misunderstand its purpose? I'm using 2.1b4 and would like to
    MG> avoid having a request autoresponse sent to a subscribe
    MG> request, or for any other request.

You (or I ;) might be misunderstanding the feature.  Any message sent
to the -request, -join, or -leave address will get a confirmation
message indicating the results of the request.  This isn't
configurable.

In addition, Mailman can send an autoresponse message to messages sent
to the -request address, and this is configurable via the
autorespond_requests variable.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 21:23:14 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 15:23:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: admin login fails 2.1b5 swedish
References: <3DFD9D41.8030005@intersonic.se>
Message-ID: <m3ptrko9ql.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "PoL" == Per olof Ljungmark <peo at intersonic.se> writes:

    PoL> Have two lists, one in the english language, one swedish.

    PoL> Admin login to the swedish list fails constantly whereas the
    PoL> english works fine.

    PoL> The login page looks quite weird as well, it says:

    |   %(message)s
    | %(listname)s %(who)s Innlogging
    | Listan %(who)s l~senord:

    PoL> Seems to be a localization problem here.

Works for me in MM2.1 rc1.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 21:28:47 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 15:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Customizing /admin/ pages question.
References: <1040102475.22210.56.camel@brain.ods.org>
Message-ID: <m3k7hso9hc.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "CH" == Cary Howell <chowell-web at xilogix.com> writes:

    CH> I have read the documentation and understand how to edit the
    CH> various list pages like listinfo, options, optresults, etc.  I
    CH> would like to be able to customize other pages like the
    CH> /admin/ pages. Is there a simple way to do this (short of
    CH> changing the source)

Nope.
    
    CH> there is no discussion in the manual nor are there any
    CH> templates, so are these hard coded pages?

Essentially, yes.  You can do some limited customization site-wide by
hacking on the code in Mailman/htmlformat.py, but it's less than
ideal.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 21:33:13 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 15:33:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Any change?
References: <21.28b1e470.2b2c8ace@aol.com>
	<1040163288.1618.108.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <m3el80o99y.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes <jonc at nc.rr.com> writes:

    JC> It's not likely that Mailman will run easily on Windows in the
    JC> near future.  Windows is closed source and Mailman is Open
    JC> Source.  While the two can mix, it's just not that easy with
    JC> Microsoft doing everything they can to stifle Open Source.

There's lots of open source and free software that runs on Windows, so
there's nothing fundamentally incompatible about the two.  However, I
am personally Windows-free at the moment and don't have a lot of
motivation to port Mailman to Windows on my own.  Two ways to change
could be for someone to contribute changes required to run under
Windows, or to fund a porting effort.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 21:46:49 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 15:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman "hungarian edition" :)
References: <1040131274.3dff24ca12330@feszek.pte.hu>
Message-ID: <m38yy8o8na.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "OA" == Omacht Andras <omacht.andras at feszek.pte.hu> writes:

    OA> I'd like to use the mailman web interface in Hungarian
    OA> language.  Is any patch to do it?

Mailman 2.1 supports Hungarian out of the box.
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 21:55:35 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 15:55:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Unusual problem configuring mailman 2.1b6
References: <BLEGJEDLMCLOCNNMFMBKKEGMFEAA.benas@transtrado.lt>
Message-ID: <m33cogo88o.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "BA" == Benas Adomavicius <benas at transtrado.lt> writes:

    BA> Calling for help from you as it seems I have run out of
    BA> ideas. Basic issue is as follows: installed mailman 2.1b6 from
    BA> an rpm on Mandrake 9.0 system with postfix. Updated Python
    BA> (using 2.2.14)?to include distutils package. Mailman installs
    BA> fine, no errors reported. Web administration interface works
    BA> like a charm. When trying to send messages to test list, they
    BA> accumulate inside "in" directory. Attempts to run qrunner
    BA> manually have resulted in following error:

    BA> # /usr/bin/python -S /var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback
    BA> (most recent call last): ? File
    BA> "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?  ??? from
    BA> Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI ? File
    BA> "/home/vdanen/tmp/mailman-buildroot/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hand
    BA> lerAPI.py", line 26, in ?  ImportError: No module named
    BA> pythonlib.StringIO

Something's very messed up with your installation.  There's no
pythonlib/StringIO.py file nor HandlerAPI.py file in Mailman 2.1.
Sounds like you're trying to mix the old version with the new
version.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 21:59:03 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 15:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie question - tweaking Mailman and .py files
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021218161451.00b06440@corelis.com>
Message-ID: <m3wulsmtig.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "DB" == Doug Brandon <doug at corelis.com> writes:

    DB> I'm tweaking Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py to experiment
    DB> with the headers on a few announce-only lists which I have
    DB> created.  I'm 99% sure that the changes I'm making should
    DB> result in visible changes.  In particular, I'm using
    DB> personalized mode and trying to get rid of the
    DB> "Cc:list at domain.com" that mailman automatically inserts.
    DB> Anyway, after tweaking the .py file, I run python to make sure
    DB> the .pyc is updated.  I figured this is all I would have to
    DB> do, but no matter what I do, I can't seem to make Mailman see
    DB> any of my changes.  Even something simple like commenting out
    DB> the X-Mailman-Version tag insertion doesn't work.

Did you "mailmanctl restart" after your changes?
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 22:03:45 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 16:03:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 2.1b6 -- StringIO.py not found
References: <20021219205437.GB31124@maremma.ch>
Message-ID: <m3r8c0mtam.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "LR" == Lukas Ruf <ruf at rawip.org> writes:

>> le "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 89, in ?  from

Update your crontab entries.  There is no qrunner cronjob for Mailman
2.1.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 22:08:59 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 16:08:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: problem to setup mm2.1b4 with sv-iso-8859-1
References: <200212210101.18162.leo@ktv.se>
Message-ID: <m3fzsgmt1w.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "LDG" == Leo De Geer <leo at ktv.se> writes:

    LDG> the archive isent working as it should exampel on
    LDG> http://listor.svessa.se/pipermail/faq/2002-December/000004.html

    LDG> and some of the admin mail isent enkoded as they should

    LDG> anyone knowing thats the problem

I'd suggest upgrading to MM2.1rc1, or the final release in the next
day or two.  There have been lots of last minute fixes to the archiver
regarding i18n support.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Sun Dec 29 22:07:48 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 16:07:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Attachements?
References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA6091221E282@SJVAPCD.MAIL>
	<ADD5ADD3-1449-11D7-B86F-003065B11E84@leafe.com>
Message-ID: <m3lm28mt3v.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "EL" == Ed Leafe <ed at leafe.com> writes:

    EL> 	I have a similar question. Is there a way to *prevent*
    EL> attachments, short of limiting the maximum size of a message? 

Yes.  Mailman 2.1 has a content filter that can be used to strip MIME
attachements.

-Barry




From ksteward at keithsteward.com  Sun Dec 29 22:31:35 2002
From: ksteward at keithsteward.com (Keith Steward)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:31:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 
 can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available for sendmail programs"
 issue
Message-ID: <3E0F69B7.2000606@keithsteward.com>


Arghhhh!!!  

After several attempts to get Mailman installed (including stable 2.0 
final, and newest 2.1rc1), and hitting unresolvable "smrsh: mailman not 
available for sendmail programs" issues (despite trying numerous 
things), i'm just about ready to give up.

I've been able to get Mailman to send  email to a new subscriber asking 
for confirmation, and the /var/log/maillog shows the response to the 
subscriber's confirmation email, but ALWAYS reporting the damn smrsh 
problem:
-------- /var/log/maillog segment ------------
sendmail[30785]: gBTEUjD30785: from=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>, 
size=2749, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAebN2b6Pb1RGjtQJgjI3Ph8KAAAAQAAAAX+S3UuMa1xGjtQAFXc7j, 
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=steward-family.com [66.127.210.186]
smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use mailman request test1
sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785: to="|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1", 
ctladdr=<test1-request at justice4injuredworkers.org> (8/0), 
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31743, dsn=5.0.0, 
stat=Service unavailable
sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785: gBTEUjD30786: DSN: Service unavailable
sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30786: to=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>, 
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=31843, 
relay=keithsteward.com. [66.127.210.186], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 
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*System information:*
RedHat 7.2, Sendmail 8.11.6, Python-2.2.2
The /etc/aliases includes:
## test1 mailing list
test1:              "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post test1"
test1-admin:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin test1"
test1-bounces:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces test1"
test1-confirm:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm test1"
test1-join:         "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join test1"
test1-leave:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave test1"
test1-owner:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner test1"
test1-request:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1"
test1-subscribe:    "|/etc/smrsh/mailman subscribe test1"
test1-unsubscribe:  "|/etc/smrsh/mailman unsubscribe test1"
Sendmail can send and receive successfully from a regular (non-Mailman) 
account on the machine running Mailman.
newaliases was run after the above aliases were added.
/etc/smrsh contains:
 lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           31 Dec 29 05:38 mailman -> 
/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
The permissions on the /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper are:
 -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     39593 Dec 29 05:16 mailman


*Things i've tried:*

   1. ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail
   2. path to mailman wrapper in /etc/aliases as either
      '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman' or '/etc/smrsh/mailman'
   3. ln -s /etc/smrsh/mailman /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
   4. copying the compiled wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman)
      into /etc/smrsh
   5. changing uid/gid of the wrapper to mailman, to mail
   6. by-passing sendmail as a test as in: echo "confirm" |
      /etc/smrsh/mailman request test1, only to get mailman complaining
      about the gid
   7. by-passing root/sendmail as in: sudo -u mail "test" |
      /etc/smrsh/mailman request mailman, only to still get a gid complaint.
   8. restarting Sendmail daemon and Mailman's qrunner daemon after
      config changes.

By the way, i've done extensive reading of:

    * Mailman INSTALL
    * Mailman README.SENDMAIL
    * Mailman README.LINUX
    * Sendmails various READMES pertaining to SMRSH etc
    * the mailman-developers list archives

At this point, i'm out of ideas on what to try, except to abandon 
Mailman and switch to something like Majordomo, etc.   And frankly i 
think i've run out of time.  I've spent several evenings on this 
already.  Getting any kind of mailing list up and running is more 
important than the bells and whistles that Mailman offers.

thanks.

-keith s.



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From ler at lerctr.org  Sun Dec 29 23:08:04 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:08:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available
 for sendmail programs" issue
In-Reply-To: <3E0F69B7.2000606@keithsteward.com>
References: <3E0F69B7.2000606@keithsteward.com>
Message-ID: <10620000.1041199684@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>

Did you put links to the $MAILMANHOME/mail/mailman program in the
CMDDIR directory for your copy of SMRSH?

LER


--On Sunday, December 29, 2002 13:31:35 -0800 Keith Steward 
<ksteward at keithsteward.com> wrote:

>
> Arghhhh!!!
>
> After several attempts to get Mailman installed (including stable 2.0
> final, and newest 2.1rc1), and hitting unresolvable "smrsh: mailman not
> available for sendmail programs" issues (despite trying numerous things),
> i'm just about ready to give up.
> I've been able to get Mailman to send  email to a new subscriber asking
> for confirmation, and the /var/log/maillog shows the response to the
> subscriber's confirmation email, but ALWAYS reporting the damn smrsh
> problem:  -------- /var/log/maillog segment ------------
>  sendmail[30785]: gBTEUjD30785: from=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>,
> size=2749, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAebN2b6Pb1RGjtQJgjI3
> Ph8KAAAAQAAAAX+S3UuMa1xGjtQAFXc7j, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
> relay=steward-family.com [66.127.210.186]  smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use
> mailman request test1
>  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785: to="|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1",
> ctladdr=<test1-request at justice4injuredworkers.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31743, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service
> unavailable  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785: gBTEUjD30786: DSN: Service
> unavailable  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30786:
> to=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
> mailer=esmtp, pri=31843, relay=keithsteward.com. [66.127.210.186],
> dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (gBTERt820385 Message accepted for delivery)
>  ----------- end segment ---------------
>
> System information:
>  RedHat 7.2, Sendmail 8.11.6, Python-2.2.2
>  The /etc/aliases includes:
>  ## test1 mailing list
>  test1:              "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post test1"
>  test1-admin:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin test1"
>  test1-bounces:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces test1"
>  test1-confirm:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm test1"
>  test1-join:         "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join test1"
>  test1-leave:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave test1"
>  test1-owner:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner test1"
>  test1-request:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1"
>  test1-subscribe:    "|/etc/smrsh/mailman subscribe test1"
>  test1-unsubscribe:  "|/etc/smrsh/mailman unsubscribe test1"
>  Sendmail can send and receive successfully from a regular (non-Mailman)
> account on the machine running Mailman.  newaliases was run after the
> above aliases were added.
>  /etc/smrsh contains:
>   lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           31 Dec 29 05:38 mailman ->
> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman  The permissions on the
> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper are:   -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman
> mailman     39593 Dec 29 05:16 mailman
>
> Things i've tried:
>
>   * ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail
>   * path to mailman wrapper in /etc/aliases as either
> '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman' or '/etc/smrsh/mailman'
>   * ln -s /etc/smrsh/mailman /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
>   * copying the compiled wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman) into
> /etc/smrsh    * changing uid/gid of the wrapper to mailman, to mail
>   * by-passing sendmail as a test as in: echo "confirm" |
> /etc/smrsh/mailman request test1, only to get mailman complaining about
> the gid    * by-passing root/sendmail as in: sudo -u mail "test" |
> /etc/smrsh/mailman request mailman, only to still get a gid complaint.
> * restarting Sendmail daemon and Mailman's qrunner daemon after config
> changes.
> By the way, i've done extensive reading of:
>
>   * Mailman INSTALL
>   * Mailman README.SENDMAIL
>   * Mailman README.LINUX
>   * Sendmails various READMES pertaining to SMRSH etc
>   * the mailman-developers list archives
> At this point, i'm out of ideas on what to try, except to abandon Mailman
> and switch to something like Majordomo, etc.   And frankly i think i've
> run out of time.  I've spent several evenings on this already.  Getting
> any kind of mailing list up and running is more important than the bells
> and whistles that Mailman offers.
> thanks.
>
> -keith s.
>
>
>



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From danny at terweij.nl  Sun Dec 29 23:12:30 2002
From: danny at terweij.nl (Danny Terweij)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:12:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available for
	sendmail programs" issue
References: <3E0F69B7.2000606@keithsteward.com>
Message-ID: <021501c2af87$61133650$1e00a8c0@onsnet.org>

|From: Keith Steward

|Arghhhh!!!

|After several attempts to get Mailman installed (including stable 2.0
final, and newest 2.1rc1), and hitting unresolvable "smrsh: |mailman not
available for sendmail programs" issues (despite trying numerous things),
i'm just about ready to give up.


|The /etc/aliases includes:
|## test1 mailing list
|test1:              "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post test1"
|test1-admin:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin test1"
|test1-bounces:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces test1"
|test1-confirm:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm test1"
|test1-join:         "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join test1"
|test1-leave:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave test1"
|test1-owner:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner test1"
|test1-request:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1"
|test1-subscribe:    "|/etc/smrsh/mailman subscribe test1"
|test1-unsubscribe:  "|/etc/smrsh/mailman unsubscribe test1"

Keith, this above is not good!!!!
Must be like :

## poema-test mailing list mailman2.1
poema-test:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post poema-test"
poema-test-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin poema-test"
poema-test-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
poema-test"
poema-test-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
poema-test"
poema-test-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join poema-test"
poema-test-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave poema-test"
poema-test-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner poema-test"
poema-test-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request
poema-test"
poema-test-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
poema-test"
poema-test-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
poema-test"


Danny.







From ed at leafe.com  Mon Dec 30 00:07:01 2002
From: ed at leafe.com (Ed Leafe)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:07:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Attachements?
In-Reply-To: <m3lm28mt3v.fsf@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3D3451D1-1B82-11D7-B689-003065B11E84@leafe.com>

On Sunday, December 29, 2002, at 04:07  PM, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>     EL> 	I have a similar question. Is there a way to *prevent*
>     EL> attachments, short of limiting the maximum size of a message?
>
> Yes.  Mailman 2.1 has a content filter that can be used to strip MIME
> attachements.

	Cool - I'll keep an eye out for its release. In the meantime, 
StripMime is doing the job pretty well.

      ___/
     /
    __/
   /
  ____/
  Ed Leafe
  http://leafe.com/
  http://foxcentral.net




From webperson at now.org  Mon Dec 30 00:12:43 2002
From: webperson at now.org (NOW Website Coordinator)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:12:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_members errors
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20021229150756.00cb1da0@now.org>

I'm using 2.1 and I can't get sync_members to work.  I get either:

If I use:

sync_members -f /home/lists/testing.txt list-name

I get:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ?
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 258, in main
     s = email.Utils.formataddr((name, addr)).encode(enc, 'replace')
UnboundLocalError: local variable 'enc' referenced before assignment

or with different lists:

sync_members -f /home/lists/email-test.txt now-test-list

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 286, in ?
     main()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/sync_members", line 275, in main
     name = mlist.getMemberName(laddr) or ''
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 128, in 
getMemberName
     self.__assertIsMember(member)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 113, in 
__assertIsMember
     raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
Mailman.Errors.NotAMemberError: admin at now.org

Any help would be appreciated.  The format of the first is just one email 
address per line, the format of the second file is an email address with a 
space and then a comma.

Neither seem to make any changes to the lists.

Thanks.


Sarah Stapleton-Gray
--------------------------------------------
Web Site Coordinator
National Organization for Women
http://www.now.org




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Dec 30 00:56:57 2002
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 18:56:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] highly closed list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0212291106030.4738-100000@raysrv1>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0212291106030.4738-100000@raysrv1>
Message-ID: <1041206221.1615.3.camel@Anncons.nc.rr.com>

Version 2.1rc1 now has this built-in (the "rc1" stands for "release
candidate 1" - meaning it's out of beta "almost").

If you want to stay with the the 2.0.x versions for now, then look in
the FAQ for a work-around.  The work-around runs a script at 4:59pm that
basically deletes all the held messages (for lists where you don't want
held messages) and then copies in a blank "request.db" file over the
existing request.db file.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Sun, 2002-12-29 at 11:08, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote:
> We've set up a number of private lists (only the admin can post or only the
> admin plus members). Now the admins are complaining about the request
> for post approval messages from spammers. Is there any way to have non-members
> messages completely disappear or at worst, get an autoreply saying the list
> is private?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
>  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-  generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>  David Stern                                            University of Maryland
>                 Institute for Advanced Computer Studies
> 
> 
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From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 02:54:51 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 20:54:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrade problem
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021225163742.00bce020@mail.thcwd.com>
	<3E0A4A5C.5050104@axs.org>
Message-ID: <m34r8wmftg.fsf@zope.com>


    | $ bin/check_perms -f
    | directory permissions must be 02775:
    | /usr/local/mailman/lists/starrymessenger/en (fixing)

    | Traceback (most recent call last):
    |   File "bin/check_perms", line 349, in ?
    |     checkall()
    |   File "bin/check_perms", line 167, in checkall
    |     os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
    |   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 287, in walk
    |     walk(name, func, arg)
    |   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 287, in walk
    |     walk(name, func, arg)
    |   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/posixpath.py", line 279, in walk
    |     func(arg, top, names)
    |   File "bin/check_perms", line 123, in checkwalk
    |     os.chmod(path, mode | targetperms)
    | OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted:
    | '/usr/local/mailman/lists/starrymessenger/en'

You probably need to be root to do this.
-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 03:00:24 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 21:00:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Error running ./configure
References: <B592D29DBC408C4FB5DDBFDBB04229B6181D18@email.whittier.edu>
Message-ID: <m3smwgl0zr.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "FJ" == Feng Jeffrey <yfeng at whittier.edu> writes:

    FJ> I'm trying to install mailman onto FreeBSD. When I ran
    FJ> ./configure, I received the following message:

    FJ> checking for CGI extensions... no host info not found, set
    FJ> $MAILHOST and/or $WWWHOST environ vars $MAILHOST=None,
    FJ> $WWWHOST=None

This is only going to happen if your dns isn't set up correctly.  What
does the following print?

% python -c "from socket import * ; print getfqdn()"

You should see a hostname (preferrably fully-qualified).  If you see
an exception, or some bogus value, check your /etc/hosts file, or dns
setup.

    FJ> When I tried to issue "make install", I got the message: make:
    FJ> don't know how to make install. Stop

    FJ> Does this mean that the installation failed? What should I to
    FJ> fix the problem?

Right.  Configure isn't finding the right hostname information so it
isn't creating the Makefile.  That's a good thing. ;)

You can always run configure --with-mailhost and/or --with-urlhost,
but if they aren't correct, the install might succeed but you'll
likely still have problems.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 02:56:47 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 20:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: upgrade problem
References: <E18RGBB-0004V7-03@mail.python.org>
	<Pine.OSX.4.44.0212251742390.6153-100000@westin>
	<20021226115728.GB11225@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <m3y968l15s.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "JW" == Jacek Wojaczynski <kocurek at kocurek.eu.org> writes:

    JW> Yes. I did run check_perms from the installation directory.
    JW> It was a python error (missing python-devel, which is
    JW> described in README.LINUX). Problem solved.

One question: did you run configure when you upgraded?  If so, didn't
it complain when the Python you were using didn't have the distutils
package?  (It's supposed to.)

-Barry




From ksteward at keithsteward.com  Mon Dec 30 02:27:24 2002
From: ksteward at keithsteward.com (Keith Steward)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:27:24 -0800
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users]  can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available for
	sendmail programs" issue
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAebN2b6Pb1RGjtQJgjI3Ph8KAAAAQAAAA5ua3UuMa1xGjtQAFXc7jfAEAAAAA@keithsteward.com>

Larry,

Yes, the /etc/smrsh/ directory contains a symbolic link to the mailman
wrapper:  ie.
  /etc/smrsh/mailman -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman

I've also tried replacing the symbolic link with a copy of the compiled
mailman wrapper executable -- again, still get the same error.

Thanks.

 
Keith 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org] 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:08 PM
To: Keith Steward; mailman-users at python.org;
mailman-developers at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available
for sendmail programs" issue


Did you put links to the $MAILMANHOME/mail/mailman program in the CMDDIR
directory for your copy of SMRSH?

LER


--On Sunday, December 29, 2002 13:31:35 -0800 Keith Steward 
<ksteward at keithsteward.com> wrote:

>
> Arghhhh!!!
>
> After several attempts to get Mailman installed (including stable 2.0
> final, and newest 2.1rc1), and hitting unresolvable "smrsh: mailman 
> not available for sendmail programs" issues (despite trying numerous 
> things), i'm just about ready to give up. I've been able to get 
> Mailman to send  email to a new subscriber asking for confirmation, 
> and the /var/log/maillog shows the response to the subscriber's 
> confirmation email, but ALWAYS reporting the damn smrsh
> problem:  -------- /var/log/maillog segment ------------
>  sendmail[30785]: gBTEUjD30785: from=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>, 
> size=2749, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
> msgid=<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAebN2b6Pb1RGjtQJg
> jI3
> Ph8KAAAAQAAAAX+S3UuMa1xGjtQAFXc7j, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
> relay=steward-family.com [66.127.210.186]  smrsh: uid 8: attempt to
> use mailman request test1
>  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785: to="|/etc/smrsh/mailman request 
> test1", ctladdr=<test1-request at justice4injuredworkers.org> (8/0), 
> delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31743, dsn=5.0.0, 
> stat=Service unavailable  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785: gBTEUjD30786:

> DSN: Service unavailable  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30786: 
> to=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, 
> mailer=esmtp, pri=31843, relay=keithsteward.com. [66.127.210.186], 
> dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (gBTERt820385 Message accepted for delivery)
>  ----------- end segment ---------------
>
> System information:
>  RedHat 7.2, Sendmail 8.11.6, Python-2.2.2
>  The /etc/aliases includes:
>  ## test1 mailing list
>  test1:              "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post test1"
>  test1-admin:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin test1"
>  test1-bounces:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces test1"
>  test1-confirm:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm test1"
>  test1-join:         "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join test1"
>  test1-leave:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave test1"
>  test1-owner:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner test1"
>  test1-request:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1"
>  test1-subscribe:    "|/etc/smrsh/mailman subscribe test1"
>  test1-unsubscribe:  "|/etc/smrsh/mailman unsubscribe test1"  Sendmail
> can send and receive successfully from a regular (non-Mailman) account

> on the machine running Mailman.  newaliases was run after the above 
> aliases were added.  /etc/smrsh contains:
>   lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           31 Dec 29 05:38 mailman ->
> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman  The permissions on the
> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper are:   -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman
> mailman     39593 Dec 29 05:16 mailman
>
> Things i've tried:
>
>   * ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail
>   * path to mailman wrapper in /etc/aliases as either
> '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman' or '/etc/smrsh/mailman'
>   * ln -s /etc/smrsh/mailman /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
>   * copying the compiled wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman)
into
> /etc/smrsh    * changing uid/gid of the wrapper to mailman, to mail
>   * by-passing sendmail as a test as in: echo "confirm" | 
> /etc/smrsh/mailman request test1, only to get mailman complaining
about
> the gid    * by-passing root/sendmail as in: sudo -u mail "test" |
> /etc/smrsh/mailman request mailman, only to still get a gid complaint.
> * restarting Sendmail daemon and Mailman's qrunner daemon after config

> changes. By the way, i've done extensive reading of:
>
>   * Mailman INSTALL
>   * Mailman README.SENDMAIL
>   * Mailman README.LINUX
>   * Sendmails various READMES pertaining to SMRSH etc
>   * the mailman-developers list archives
> At this point, i'm out of ideas on what to try, except to abandon
Mailman
> and switch to something like Majordomo, etc.   And frankly i think
i've
> run out of time.  I've spent several evenings on this already.
> Getting any kind of mailing list up and running is more important than

> the bells and whistles that Mailman offers. thanks.
>
> -keith s.
>
>
>



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From ksteward at keithsteward.com  Mon Dec 30 02:28:56 2002
From: ksteward at keithsteward.com (Keith Steward)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:28:56 -0800
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users]  can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available for
	sendmail programs" issue
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAebN2b6Pb1RGjtQJgjI3Ph8KAAAAQAAAA/ea3UuMa1xGjtQAFXc7jfAEAAAAA@keithsteward.com>

Danny,

I had it that way (i.e. "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test1" in
the /etc/aliases) before, and then tried the "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post
test1", as indicated in the Mailman INSTALL doc.  Both gave the "smrsh:
mailman not available for sendmail" error.

thanks

 
Keith 


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny Terweij [mailto:danny at terweij.nl] 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:13 PM
To: Keith Steward; mailman-users at python.org;
mailman-developers at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available
for sendmail programs" issue


|From: Keith Steward

|Arghhhh!!!

|After several attempts to get Mailman installed (including stable 2.0
final, and newest 2.1rc1), and hitting unresolvable "smrsh: |mailman not
available for sendmail programs" issues (despite trying numerous
things), i'm just about ready to give up.


|The /etc/aliases includes:
|## test1 mailing list
|test1:              "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post test1"
|test1-admin:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin test1"
|test1-bounces:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces test1"
|test1-confirm:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm test1"
|test1-join:         "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join test1"
|test1-leave:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave test1"
|test1-owner:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner test1"
|test1-request:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1"
|test1-subscribe:    "|/etc/smrsh/mailman subscribe test1"
|test1-unsubscribe:  "|/etc/smrsh/mailman unsubscribe test1"

Keith, this above is not good!!!!
Must be like :

## poema-test mailing list mailman2.1
poema-test:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
poema-test"
poema-test-admin:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin
poema-test"
poema-test-bounces:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces
poema-test"
poema-test-confirm:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm
poema-test"
poema-test-join:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join
poema-test"
poema-test-leave:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave
poema-test"
poema-test-owner:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner
poema-test"
poema-test-request:      "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request
poema-test"
poema-test-subscribe:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
poema-test"
poema-test-unsubscribe:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe
poema-test"


Danny.






From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 03:35:46 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 21:35:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: UPGRADING continued...
References: <20021226135815.GA12094@kocurek.eu.org>
Message-ID: <m3n0mokzct.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "JW" == Jacek Wojaczynski <kocurek at kocurek.eu.org> writes:

    JW> I can go to /usr/local/mailman/bin and type "withlist -l -r
    JW> fix_url listname" - but I don't think I need that... Or maybe? 
    JW> Well... I have no idea. What does it mean to share same
    JW> URL-space?

All it means is that http://yourhost/mailman/ can be used as the base
ur for both MM2.0 and MM2.1 lists.  E.g.

    http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

is a MM2.0 list and

    http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

is a MM2.1 list.

    JW> Wow! Looks nice :) I have no idea what does it do...  Anyway -
    JW> I put it in my httpd.conf file... and my Apache didn't want to
    JW> start anymore. Of course I changed $MM21 with
    JW> /usr/local/mailman. Should I also change "$1" and "$2" with
    JW> something? What is going on here??

No, $1 and $2 are substitution variables.  I don't have time to go
into this in detail, but everything's documented in the Apache docs.

    | OK... I'm just wondering why is it done that way?
    | Can't I simply change a line in my httpd.conf:
    | Alias /pipermail/ "/var/spool/mailman/archives/public/"
    | with:
    | Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/"

Yes, if you don't need to have your MM2.0 and MM2.1 lists live
side-by-side.  If you're just moving all your lists to MM2.1, you
don't need all that cruft.

    JW> Anyone still with me? :-)
    JW> Anyone can put some light on it? 

I'm not sure if I am. ;)

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 03:40:05 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 21:40:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman rejects one list name
References: <OE54jQ8vjqueolj8Jec00000192@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <m3hecwkz5m.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "G" == Grant  <preyforme at hotmail.com> writes:

    G> [error] [client w.x.y.z] Premature end of script headers:
    G> admin, referer: http://abc.org/mailman/admin/123/ [info]
    G> (104)Connection reset by peer: core_output_filter: writing data
    G> to the network

    G> The reason I'm writing to this list instead of apache... is
    G> that any other mailing list works perfectly.

Look in your Apache logs for details.  I just tried this myself in
MM2.1 and it worked for me.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 03:43:51 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 21:43:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Passwords of members  UPDATE
References: <200212271657.gBRGvPjI021958@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <m3bs34kyzc.fsf@zope.com>


Try setting USE_CRYPT=0 in your mm_cfg.py.  Maybe your crypt library
is broken?  MM2.1 doesn't use crypt so it isn't a problem in the new
version.

-Barry




From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 03:46:17 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 21:46:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cAse SeNsiTiVe
References: <000601c2aec9$aa24e780$97b18ed1@user>
Message-ID: <m365tckyva.fsf@zope.com>


>>>>> "J" == JMD  <jame at centurytel.net> writes:

    J> Hello, I am attempting to set up a list on my website but it
    J> will not allow me to make the name lower case. I have seen some
    J> lists that do allow this and am wonding if I am missing
    J> something here? I even tried to change the case (first letter)
    J> afterwards but it will not allow that either. Any help is
    J> appreciated!

Mailing lists have two "names".  One is the internal name such as
"mailman-users", which is used as the directory name to hold the
list's data, and in the email addresses for posting.  This is always
lower case.

The other is the list's public name, and this you can change in the
General options.  It must be the same as the internal name, except for
differences in case.  E.g. Mailman-Users

-Barry




From ksteward at keithsteward.com  Mon Dec 30 04:31:51 2002
From: ksteward at keithsteward.com (Keith Steward)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:31:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available for
	sendmail programs" issue
In-Reply-To: <106770000.1041211566@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>
Message-ID: <005801c2afb3$fe0459e0$3800a8c0@STEWARD>

Larry,

BINGO!  You hit the nail on the head !!! Problem solved!

Your comment prompted me to review the smrsh.c code within the sendmail
distribution.  When CMDDIR is not defined by the OS (I couldn't find in
in any system *.h files), then in smrsh.c it defaults to
/usr/adm/sm.bin/ .  Even though RedHat7.2 already has an /etc/smrsh/
directory (including a link entry there for slocal), the Sendmail (at
least the 8.11.6 version I downloaded and installed) was not using that
directory.  Instead, it was looking for the default /usr/adm/sm.bin/.
The /etc/smrsh/ directory was a red herring!  Once I created the
/usr/adm/sm.bin, and chmod 755 (recommended by the smrsch/README within
Sendmail), and then set up the symbolic link in there:
    mailman -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
the problem disappeared.

Thanks!!!

-keith


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 5:26 PM
To: keith at bioinformaticstech.com
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available
for sendmail programs" issue




--On Sunday, December 29, 2002 17:20:22 -0800 Keith Steward
<ksteward at keithsteward.com> wrote:

> Larry,
>
> Yes, the /etc/smrsh/ directory contains a symbolic link to the mailman
> wrapper:  ie.
>   /etc/smrsh/mailman -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
are you SURE that your SMRSH is set to use /etc/smrsh as it's CMDDIR?

Also, did you try it with the /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman aliases as
someone else pointed out?

LER

>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Keith
>
> --
> Keith L. Steward, Ph.D.    work: 408-957-7777 x300   cell:
408-250-5213
> Email: keith at BioinformaticsTech.com
> Web: http://www.BioinformaticsTech.com
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>           or call 1-888-849-9479
> FAX:  408-226-3215 408-40 (call ahead for setup)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler at lerctr.org]
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 2:08 PM
> To: Keith Steward; mailman-users at python.org;
> mailman-developers at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not
> available for sendmail programs" issue
>
>
> Did you put links to the $MAILMANHOME/mail/mailman program in the
> CMDDIR directory for your copy of SMRSH?
>
> LER
>
>
> --On Sunday, December 29, 2002 13:31:35 -0800 Keith Steward
> <ksteward at keithsteward.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Arghhhh!!!
>>
>> After several attempts to get Mailman installed (including stable 2.0
>> final, and newest 2.1rc1), and hitting unresolvable "smrsh: mailman
>> not available for sendmail programs" issues (despite trying numerous
>> things), i'm just about ready to give up. I've been able to get
>> Mailman to send  email to a new subscriber asking for confirmation,
>> and the /var/log/maillog shows the response to the subscriber's
>> confirmation email, but ALWAYS reporting the damn smrsh
>> problem:  -------- /var/log/maillog segment ------------
>>  sendmail[30785]: gBTEUjD30785: from=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>,
>> size=2749, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>> msgid=<!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAebN2b6Pb1RGjtQJ
>> g
>> jI3
>> Ph8KAAAAQAAAAX+S3UuMa1xGjtQAFXc7j, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
>> relay=steward-family.com [66.127.210.186]  smrsh: uid 8: attempt to
>> use mailman request test1
>>  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785: to="|/etc/smrsh/mailman request
>> test1", ctladdr=<test1-request at justice4injuredworkers.org> (8/0),
>> delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31743, dsn=5.0.0,
>> stat=Service unavailable  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30785:
>> gBTEUjD30786:
>
>> DSN: Service unavailable  sendmail[30786]: gBTEUjD30786:
>> to=<ksteward at keithsteward.com>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
>> mailer=esmtp, pri=31843, relay=keithsteward.com. [66.127.210.186],
>> dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (gBTERt820385 Message accepted for delivery)
>>  ----------- end segment ---------------
>>
>> System information:
>>  RedHat 7.2, Sendmail 8.11.6, Python-2.2.2
>>  The /etc/aliases includes:
>>  ## test1 mailing list
>>  test1:              "|/etc/smrsh/mailman post test1"
>>  test1-admin:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman admin test1"
>>  test1-bounces:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman bounces test1"
>>  test1-confirm:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman confirm test1"
>>  test1-join:         "|/etc/smrsh/mailman join test1"
>>  test1-leave:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman leave test1"
>>  test1-owner:        "|/etc/smrsh/mailman owner test1"
>>  test1-request:      "|/etc/smrsh/mailman request test1"
>>  test1-subscribe:    "|/etc/smrsh/mailman subscribe test1"
>>  test1-unsubscribe:  "|/etc/smrsh/mailman unsubscribe test1" 
>> Sendmail
>
>> can send and receive successfully from a regular (non-Mailman)
>> account
>
>> on the machine running Mailman.  newaliases was run after the above
>> aliases were added.  /etc/smrsh contains:
>>   lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           31 Dec 29 05:38 mailman ->
>> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman  The permissions on the
>> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman wrapper are:   -rwxr-sr-x    1
mailman
>> mailman     39593 Dec 29 05:16 mailman
>>
>> Things i've tried:
>>
>>   * ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail
>>   * path to mailman wrapper in /etc/aliases as either
>> '/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman' or '/etc/smrsh/mailman'
>>   * ln -s /etc/smrsh/mailman /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
>>   * copying the compiled wrapper (/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman)
> into
>> /etc/smrsh    * changing uid/gid of the wrapper to mailman, to mail
>>   * by-passing sendmail as a test as in: echo "confirm" |
>> /etc/smrsh/mailman request test1, only to get mailman complaining
> about
>> the gid    * by-passing root/sendmail as in: sudo -u mail "test" |
>> /etc/smrsh/mailman request mailman, only to still get a gid
>> complaint.
>> * restarting Sendmail daemon and Mailman's qrunner daemon after
config
>
>> changes. By the way, i've done extensive reading of:
>>
>>   * Mailman INSTALL
>>   * Mailman README.SENDMAIL
>>   * Mailman README.LINUX
>>   * Sendmails various READMES pertaining to SMRSH etc
>>   * the mailman-developers list archives
>> At this point, i'm out of ideas on what to try, except to abandon
> Mailman
>> and switch to something like Majordomo, etc.   And frankly i think
> i've
>> run out of time.  I've spent several evenings on this already.
>> Getting any kind of mailing list up and running is more important
>> than
>
>> the bells and whistles that Mailman offers. thanks.
>>
>> -keith s.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
> Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
> US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749
>



--
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749



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From ler at lerctr.org  Mon Dec 30 04:38:21 2002
From: ler at lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:38:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users]  can't resolve "smrsh: mailman not available
 for sendmail programs" issue
In-Reply-To: <005801c2afb3$fe0459e0$3800a8c0@STEWARD>
References: <005801c2afb3$fe0459e0$3800a8c0@STEWARD>
Message-ID: <54260000.1041219501@lerlaptop.lerctr.org>



--On Sunday, December 29, 2002 19:31:51 -0800 Keith Steward 
<ksteward at keithsteward.com> wrote:

>
> Larry,
>
> BINGO!  You hit the nail on the head !!! Problem solved!
Glad I could help!.
>
> Your comment prompted me to review the smrsh.c code within the sendmail
> distribution.  When CMDDIR is not defined by the OS (I couldn't find in
> in any system *.h files), then in smrsh.c it defaults to /usr/adm/sm.bin/
> .  Even though RedHat7.2 already has an /etc/smrsh/ directory (including
> a link entry there for slocal), the Sendmail (at least the 8.11.6 version
> I downloaded and installed) was not using that directory.  Instead, it
> was looking for the default /usr/adm/sm.bin/.  The /etc/smrsh/ directory
> was a red herring!  Once I created the /usr/adm/sm.bin, and chmod 755
> (recommended by the smrsch/README within Sendmail), and then set up the
> symbolic link in there:     mailman -> /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman
> the problem disappeared.
Damnit, I hate it when that happens.  I think it's supposed to be defined 
within SENDMAIL's
buildtools stuff....

BUT, even looking in my 8.12.6 tree nothing defines it.

Glad you found it, and you are on your way.

LER

>
> Thanks!!!
My pleasure.

>
> -keith

-- 
Larry Rosenman                     http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812                 E-Mail: ler at lerctr.org
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749





From jame at centurytel.net  Mon Dec 30 06:41:53 2002
From: jame at centurytel.net (JMD)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:41:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cAse SeNsiTiVe
References: <000601c2aec9$aa24e780$97b18ed1@user> <m365tckyva.fsf@zope.com>
Message-ID: <001001c2afc6$2cc9c000$4fb58ed1@user>

Barry you wrote, "This is always lower case". Well, that's the probelm it's
not lower case and I can't get it to be. When I set up the list it
automatically makes it upper case and when the 'send to' email address is
displayed it is upper case.

----- Original Message -----
> Mailing lists have two "names".  One is the internal name such as
> "mailman-users", which is used as the directory name to hold the
> list's data, and in the email addresses for posting.  This is always
> lower case.



From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 04:50:55 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cAse SeNsiTiVe
References: <000601c2aec9$aa24e780$97b18ed1@user>
	<m365tckyva.fsf@zope.com>
	<001001c2afc6$2cc9c000$4fb58ed1@user>
Message-ID: <15887.49823.234324.233804@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "J" == JMD  <jame at centurytel.net> writes:

    J> Barry you wrote, "This is always lower case". Well, that's the
    J> probelm it's not lower case and I can't get it to be. When I
    J> set up the list it automatically makes it upper case and when
    J> the 'send to' email address is displayed it is upper case.

Something is very weird!  I can't create a list with an upper case
internal name, either through the web or through bin/newlist.

I think you'll have to use the procedure to move a list as described
in the FAQ.

-Barry


From info at bazzmann.com  Mon Dec 30 08:29:23 2002
From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:29:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.0.13 > Footer variables.
Message-ID: <3E0FF5D3.6050002@bazzmann.com>

Hi all!
This is my first message in the list, I wish to thanks the whole
crew of Mailman for the great work they done, do and will do. :)

I'm not a deep developer, so I need help from you. I wish to
apply a footer like this one used on this list, with e-mail
user and personal link to user preferences.

This is the part of footer I like to apply:

"This message was sent to: info at bazzmann.com
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/info%40bazzmann.com"

There are some variable I lost or still I don't know, or it's a feature
that is not available on 2.0.13 version?

Thanks in advance,
Marco

-- 
Bazzmann Labs(c) - Accessibilita', usabilita', webdesign e standard W3C
::--------------------------------::---------------------------------::
http://www.bazzmann.it      | Il sito ufficiale di Bazzmann Labs.
http://www.bazzmann.com     | La risorsa per informare e aggiornare.
http://www.dev2dev.it       | Elemento D2D002




From david at midrange.com  Mon Dec 30 17:41:26 2002
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:41:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1rc1 Virtual hosting
Message-ID: <aupsu6$pri$1@main.gmane.org>

I'm trying to setup virtual hosting on a test install of MM 2.1 rc1 ... my
default list host is "midrange.com", and the virtual is
"lists.fallingrock.net".

I've setup a virtual hosted list with the 'lists.fallingrock.net' domain,
but when I send a message to the list I get odd results.

Some of the headers show the 'lists.fallingrock.net' comain, but some show
'midrange.com' ... here's a partially edited sample...

> X-BeenThere: beta-testers at lists.fallingrock.net
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1rc1
> Precedence: list
> Reply-To: beta-testers at midrange.com
> List-Id: New Feature Beta Testers <beta-testers.lists.fallingrock.net>
> List-Unsubscribe:
<http://lists.fallingrock.net/xxxxxxx/listinfo/beta-testers>,
>
<mailto:beta-testers-request at lists.fallingrock.net?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://lists.fallingrock.net/xxxxxxx/private/beta-testers>
> List-Post: <mailto:beta-testers at lists.fallingrock.net>
> List-Help:
<mailto:beta-testers-request at lists.fallingrock.net?subject=help>
> List-Subscribe:
<http://lists.fallingrock.net/xxxxxxx/listinfo/beta-testers>,
>
<mailto:beta-testers-request at lists.fallingrock.net?subject=subscribe>
> Sender: beta-testers-bounces at midrange.com
> Errors-To: beta-testers-bounces at midrange.com

Here's a fragment of my mm_cfg.py file ...

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'midrange.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.midrange.com'
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman2/'
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
DEFAULT_URL       = DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % DEFAULT_URL_HOST
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('lists.fallingrock.net')

The list configuration has the host_name value set to
'lists.fallingrock.net'.

Any ideas why the reply-to, send, errors-to, etc, all have 'midrange.com'
instead of 'lists.fallingrock.net'?

Thanks!

david






From barry at python.org  Mon Dec 30 18:05:37 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:05:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.0.13 > Footer variables.
References: <3E0FF5D3.6050002@bazzmann.com>
Message-ID: <15888.31969.872523.292827@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "MT" == Marco Trevisan <info at bazzmann.com> writes:

    MT> There are some variable I lost or still I don't know, or it's
    MT> a feature that is not available on 2.0.13 version?

It's not possible in MM2.0, but it is in MM2.1.
-Barry


From barry at python.org  Mon Dec 30 18:06:26 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:06:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1rc1 Virtual hosting
References: <aupsu6$pri$1@main.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <15888.32018.207631.790602@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "DG" == David Gibbs <david at midrange.com> writes:

    DG> Any ideas why the reply-to, send, errors-to, etc, all have
    DG> 'midrange.com' instead of 'lists.fallingrock.net'?

Your MTA is probably munging them.
-Barry


From david at midrange.com  Mon Dec 30 19:21:22 2002
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:21:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MM 2.1rc1 Virtual hosting
References: <aupsu6$pri$1@main.gmane.org>
	<15888.32018.207631.790602@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <auq2pj$dnt$1@main.gmane.org>

"Barry A. Warsaw" <barry at python.org> wrote in message
news:15888.32018.207631.790602 at gargle.gargle.HOWL...
>     DG> Any ideas why the reply-to, send, errors-to, etc, all have
>     DG> 'midrange.com' instead of 'lists.fallingrock.net'?
> Your MTA is probably munging them.

Thanks!  That's what I needed to know.  I had to add the
"limited_masquerade" feature to my sendmail config.

david






From ruf at rawip.org  Mon Dec 30 22:07:47 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:07:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.1rc1 -- howto for virtual hosts
Message-ID: <20021230210747.GE572@maremma.ch>

Dear all,

is there anywhere a how to that exlains in a step-by-step manner how
to setup mailing lists for virtual hosts?

I assume that the 
  add_virtualhost('host')
is sufficient to cope with the different virtual hosts.

But how can I do the following:

My scenario:
  - I have a few domains
  - Every domain runs some mailing lists
  - For every mailing list I have a different administrator
  ? How can I set the web-interface per mailing list?
  ? How can I set the administrator password per administrator?

If it is simply a lack of knowledge, I appreciate any pointer!

Thanks!
Lukas
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From jame at centurytel.net  Tue Dec 31 00:49:00 2002
From: jame at centurytel.net (JMD)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:49:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cAse SeNsiTiVe
References: 
	<000601c2aec9$aa24e780$97b18ed1@user><m365tckyva.fsf@zope.com><001001c2afc6$2cc9c000$4fb58ed1@user>
	<15887.49823.234324.233804@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <001f01c2b05e$0b1a90e0$64b58ed1@user>

Maybe it's the version. Mine is version 2.0.13 and what do you have?


From barry at zope.com  Mon Dec 30 22:52:48 2002
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:52:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: cAse SeNsiTiVe
References: <000601c2aec9$aa24e780$97b18ed1@user>
	<m365tckyva.fsf@zope.com>
	<001001c2afc6$2cc9c000$4fb58ed1@user>
	<15887.49823.234324.233804@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<001f01c2b05e$0b1a90e0$64b58ed1@user>
Message-ID: <15888.49200.74452.838901@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "J" == JMD  <jame at centurytel.net> writes:

    J> Maybe it's the version. Mine is version 2.0.13 and what do you
    J> have?

I'm only dealing with MM2.1 issues now -- it's more than enough to
keep my plate quite full.

-Barry


From ruf at rawip.org  Tue Dec 31 00:35:40 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:35:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] read-only mailing list?
Message-ID: <20021230233540.GN572@maremma.ch>

Dear all,

I do not understand how to configure a read only mailing list with
2.1rc1.

Thanks for any hint!

Lukas
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http://www.lpr.ch
Wanna know anything about raw ip? 
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From list-mailman at lanbytes.com  Tue Dec 31 05:35:46 2002
From: list-mailman at lanbytes.com (Mark Geisinger)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:35:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: autorespond_requests in 2.1x
In-Reply-To: <m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com>
References: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>
	<m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com>
Message-ID: <5273182165.20021230223546@lanbytes.com>

Sunday, December 29, 2002, 2:06:27 PM, you wrote:

>>>>>> "MG" == Mark Geisinger <list-mailman at lanbytes.com> writes:

>     MG> Is autorespond_requests broken in 2.1x, or do I perhaps
>     MG> misunderstand its purpose? I'm using 2.1b4 and would like to
>     MG> avoid having a request autoresponse sent to a subscribe
>     MG> request, or for any other request.

> You (or I ;) might be misunderstanding the feature.  Any message sent
> to the -request, -join, or -leave address will get a confirmation
> message indicating the results of the request.  This isn't
> configurable.

> In addition, Mailman can send an autoresponse message to messages sent
> to the -request address, and this is configurable via the
> autorespond_requests variable.

Barry, thanks for the explanation. Such an autoresponse to -request makes sense,
given that such a message can be related to commands that require action, or
response, outside of the subscription process. Consider this behavior, though.
We provide a Web interface to a handful of topical lists. If someone comes by
and subscribes to four lists, they receive eight messages. What's the point?

I just un-sub'ed a test address from one of my own lists. Confirming the
un-subscribe, I first received the expected two line "Your address has been
removed from the mailing list." message. Cool. Then I get the autoresponse that
offers this,

> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
> original message.
> 
> - Results:
>     Confirmation succeeded

along with the entire body of the original remove confirmation message.

My point is a) that traffic for subscription confirms is redundant, and b) it's
actually confusing subscribers. Since moving from v2.0.13, where this behavior
didn't exist, I've actually had a number of folks miss the purpose of the
subscription confirmation msg (and thus not confirming), believing that the
autoresponse is an affirmative response to their sub. request.

Is there no way to ditch this behavior for join/leave?

-- 
Best regards,

Mark
list-mailman at lanbytes.com



From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Dec 31 07:30:45 2002
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:30:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: autorespond_requests in 2.1x
In-Reply-To: <5273182165.20021230223546@lanbytes.com>
References: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>
 <m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com> <5273182165.20021230223546@lanbytes.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f00ba36e99cfb0e@[192.168.1.50]>

At 22:35 -0600 12/30/2002, Mark Geisinger wrote:
>My point is a) that traffic for subscription confirms is redundant, and b)
>it's
>actually confusing subscribers. Since moving from v2.0.13, where this behavior
>didn't exist, I've actually had a number of folks miss the purpose of the
>subscription confirmation msg (and thus not confirming), believing that the
>autoresponse is an affirmative response to their sub. request.

And we've had in 2.0.x subscribers fail to confirm because (as of 2.0.6,
anyhow), the request could easily be misread as an acknowledgement.  We
hacked the message a little to make it more obvious.  (Old news now.)

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
Soggy mail is caused by postage dew.



From list-mailman at lanbytes.com  Tue Dec 31 08:12:47 2002
From: list-mailman at lanbytes.com (Mark Geisinger)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:12:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: autorespond_requests in 2.1x
In-Reply-To: <p05200f00ba36e99cfb0e@[192\.168\.1\.50]>
References: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>
	<m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com><p05200f00ba36e99cfb0e@[192.168.1.50]>
Message-ID: <135282603512.20021231011247@lanbytes.com>

On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 12:30:45 AM, you wrote:
> And we've had in 2.0.x subscribers fail to confirm because (as of 2.0.6,
> anyhow), the request could easily be misread as an acknowledgement.  We hacked
> the message a little to make it more obvious.  (Old news now.)

Darn pesky users. ;} I've taken some similar steps here. Even went to some
lengths on the Web site to try to make it as obvious as possible without
actually SHOUTING at them. I suppose the real problem is that some folks just
don't read the stuff. Well, I'm guilty of that on occasion, too. In this case, I
think that Mailman's autoresponses to the sub/remove msgs. is compounding the
problem.

-- 
Best regards,

Mark
list-mailman at lanbytes.com



From brianr at bjsystems.co.uk  Tue Dec 31 13:38:55 2002
From: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk (Brian Read)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:38:55 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] read-only mailing list?
In-Reply-To: <20021230233540.GN572@maremma.ch>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20021231123838.0146f880@server01>

Try here:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

cheers

Brian


At 23:35 30/12/2002, Lukas Ruf wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>I do not understand how to configure a read only mailing list with
>2.1rc1.
>
>Thanks for any hint!
>
>Lukas
>--
>Lukas Ruf
>http://www.lpr.ch
>Wanna know anything about raw ip?
>Join rawip at rawip.org on http://www.rawip.org
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>This message was sent to: brianr at bjsystems.co.uk
>Unsubscribe or change your options at
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brianr%40bjsystems.co.uk

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From ruf at rawip.org  Tue Dec 31 13:54:16 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:54:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] read-only mailing list?
Message-ID: <20021231125416.GA11413@maremma.ch>


> Brian Read <brianr at bjsystems.co.uk> [2002-12-31 13:39]:
>
> Try here:
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

thanks for the hint!

wbr,
Lukas
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From ruf at rawip.org  Tue Dec 31 14:04:29 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:04:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to move or delete a list completely
Message-ID: <20021231130429.GB11413@maremma.ch>

Dear all,

switching from majordomo to Mailman, I had to setup a bunch mailing
lists.  Thanks to 2.1rc1 nearly everything wen smoothly.

However, I created a mailing list under a wrong virtual web-address.
So, the mailing list appears under the wrong virtual host section when
typing <http://.../mailman/listinfo>.  Which is wrong.

Since it is an empty mailing list, I could either delete the mailing
list and set it up again -- or move it if this was possible.  (I
prefer the first).

How can I delete a mailing list completely?

Thanks,
Lukas
-- 
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http://www.lpr.ch
Wanna know anything about raw ip? 
Join rawip at rawip.org on http://www.rawip.org


From ruf at rawip.org  Tue Dec 31 14:19:33 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: How to move or delete a list completely
In-Reply-To: <20021231130429.GB11413@maremma.ch>
References: <20021231130429.GB11413@maremma.ch>
Message-ID: <20021231131933.GC11413@maremma.ch>


> Lukas Ruf <ruf at rawip.org> [2002-12-31 14:04]:
>
> 
> How can I delete a mailing list completely?
> 

mailman/bin/rmlist

stupid me.  Sorry!


Lukas
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http://www.lpr.ch
Wanna know anything about raw ip? 
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From chaim at chaim.com  Tue Dec 31 08:41:29 2002
From: chaim at chaim.com (chaim at chaim.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 23:41:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
Message-ID: <3E10D9A9.15064.15A571BC@localhost>

Talk about being on the cutting edge. I was about 95% of the way 
finished installing v. 2.0 and following along with some docs on 
list.org when I got a 404 error at the list.org site. Turns out that 
while I was doing the install 2.1 was released and the list.org site 
was updated.

Any who..

I am attempting to install v 2.1 and am getting an error during the 
MAKE INSTALL. Since it is detecting an upgrade from 2.0 it is running 
the make update and choking as follows

Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 45, in ?
    import paths
  File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ?
    import korean
ImportError: No module named korean
make: *** [update] Error 1

Is this a known issue or did I stumble across a booboo?

I tried to track it down and although I am an experience 
developer/admin, I am fairly new to Python and Mailman. I am a bit 
confused about the comments concerning korea and korea.alias. Should 
I just comment out the importing of korea?

thanx,
chaim

P.S. please cc: me direct as I am not subscribed to this list but 
just using the web archives.


From hellozappy2k at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 30 17:35:48 2002
From: hellozappy2k at yahoo.com (sunny)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:35:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help required-- Root Full
Message-ID: <20021230163548.10750.qmail@web41213.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I have mailman 2.1.10 running on solaris 2.7 for the
last 6+ Months, now the problem is the Mailman program
is installed on /home which is part of the root file
system, and by default archive option was enabled for
most of the lists, now the issue is the root
filesystem has become 90%, I don't want any archives, 
how to go about ? Pls help me in bringing down the
size of root file system.

TIA,
Regards
Sunny.

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From webmaster at war-veterans.info  Tue Dec 31 12:14:17 2002
From: webmaster at war-veterans.info (webmaster at war-veterans.info)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:14:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman !!
Message-ID: <01f001c2b0bd$c5946720$0100a8c0@conny>

Hello
 
Is there a way to run Mailman on server with Python 1.5.2 my delicated
server use Ensim with  Python 1.5.2 internally for mostly all functions
!!!
I had contact with the company there the server runs and this is there
reply on my qouestion to upgrade my server to the newest Python :
 
Hi Rob,
 
to use MailMan, it's neccessary to have Python 2.1.x or higher installed
- on your Server is the stable Python 1.5.2 (comes with Ensim)
installed.
 
If you really like to run MailMan - it's a little tricky, because Ensim
use Python 1.5.2 internally for mostly all functions !!! 
so i'm personally a little scary to update Python :-) i had a simmilar
experience with a Perl Update on a Ensim Server :-(
 
the only idea i have is to do a parallel installation of Python 2.2.2 -
and point MailMan to this installation - but i'm NOT sure about this ! 
it's also a little dangerous and timecomsuming task (expect 2-3 hours) -
and i did't want to break your servers config !!!
 
If there is any way - i would suggest to use a PHP script - if there is
any outthere ... or Majordomo 
 
warmest regards
 
--
Erich Fuchs
 
We want to run  email discussionsgroups on our http://veteransgroups.com
<http://veteransgroups.com/>  server it's a non-profit server only for
allied war-veterans, most of our groups are, on this moment, on
Yahoogroups, but we have many problems with the sending and receiving of
the mail, sometimes we have to wait seven of eight hours to receive a
mail, and that is very tricky when there is a emotional discussion going
on, In your software we find all the topics we need, 
Is there a way to solve this problem?, or  do you know another program
that runs e.g on PHP or PERL with the same classifications as Mailman?
 
Please reply,
 
Warmest regards and a happy New Year,
 
 
Rob Stolk
Webowner Veteranen.info, War-Veterans.info, Veteransgroups.com
 
 
 
 
 
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From ruf at rawip.org  Tue Dec 31 14:41:11 2002
From: ruf at rawip.org (Lukas Ruf)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:41:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo: ... comments to mailman@www
Message-ID: <20021231134111.GD11413@maremma.ch>

Dear all,

on /mailman/listinfo

Send questions or comments to mailman at www.rawip.org

is written always.  However, I do not have an MX-record for
<www.rawip.org>.  Is there a way to have listinfo display
<mailman at rawip.org> instead?

Thanks for any hint!

Lukas
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http://www.lpr.ch
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From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 14:41:41 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: autorespond_requests in 2.1x
References: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>
	<m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com>
	<5273182165.20021230223546@lanbytes.com>
Message-ID: <15889.40597.473295.560824@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "MG" == Mark Geisinger <list-mailman at lanbytes.com> writes:

    MG> If someone comes by and subscribes to four lists, they receive
    MG> eight messages. What's the point?

To kill them with kindness? :)

In MM2.1, each list is still a separate entity.  Mailman doesn't know
that they just subscribed to four lists, so it can't limit the
responses.  This will be one of the major developments for MM3.

    MG> I just un-sub'ed a test address from one of my own
    MG> lists. Confirming the un-subscribe, I first received the
    MG> expected two line "Your address has been removed from the
    MG> mailing list." message. Cool. Then I get the autoresponse that
    MG> offers this,

That should be fixed in MM2.1 final.  You'll get just one response.

-Barry


From list-mailman at lanbytes.com  Tue Dec 31 17:13:52 2002
From: list-mailman at lanbytes.com (Mark Geisinger)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:13:52 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: autorespond_requests in 2.1x
In-Reply-To: <15889.40597.473295.560824@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
References: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>
	<m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com> <5273182165.20021230223546@lanbytes.com>
	<15889.40597.473295.560824@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <16315069125.20021231101352@lanbytes.com>

On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 7:41:41 AM, you wrote:
> That should be fixed in MM2.1 final.  You'll get just one response.

Very cool, Barry. Thanks much!

-- 
Best regards,

Mark
list-mailman at lanbytes.com



From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 18:18:15 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:18:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <3E10D9A9.15064.15A571BC@localhost>
Message-ID: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "chaim" ==   <chaim at chaim.com> writes:

    chaim> I tried to track it down and although I am an experience
    chaim> developer/admin, I am fairly new to Python and Mailman. I
    chaim> am a bit confused about the comments concerning korea and
    chaim> korea.alias. Should I just comment out the importing of
    chaim> korea?

What version of Python ar you using?  Can you try the following:

% python
Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) 
[GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import distutils
>>> distutils.__version__
'1.0.3'
>>> 

what do you get?
-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 18:21:49 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:21:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman !!
References: <01f001c2b0bd$c5946720$0100a8c0@conny>
Message-ID: <15889.53805.928837.19936@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


I don't know anything about Ensim, but if it's even remotely Unix-y,
you should be able to do an "altinstall" of Python 2.2.2 in /usr/local.
E.g.:

    ./configure
    make
    make altinstall

Then when you configure Mailman, use --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2

Or stick with Mailman 2.0.13, which is compatible with Python 1.5.2.

-Barry


From chaim at chaim.com  Tue Dec 31 18:23:49 2002
From: chaim at chaim.com (chaim at chaim.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:23:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>

On 31 Dec 2002 at 12:18, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> What version of Python ar you using? 

Python 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30)
[GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more 
information.
>>> import distutils
>>> distutils.__version__
'1.0.3'
>>>


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 18:22:25 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: autorespond_requests in 2.1x
References: <54601411153.20021208110245@lanbytes.com>
	<m3y968oaik.fsf@zope.com>
	<5273182165.20021230223546@lanbytes.com>
	<15889.40597.473295.560824@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<16315069125.20021231101352@lanbytes.com>
Message-ID: <15889.53841.714448.793393@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "MG" == Mark Geisinger <list-mailman at lanbytes.com> writes:

    MG> On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, 7:41:41 AM, you wrote:
    >> That should be fixed in MM2.1 final.  You'll get just one
    >> response.

    MG> Very cool, Barry. Thanks much!

No problem!
-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 18:29:30 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:29:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
Message-ID: <15889.54266.177169.385577@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


Do you see any errors in the make output before the line about the
korean package?

Also, look in /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib.  You should see both a
korean subdir and a file called korean.pth.

Are they there?
-Barry


From scratch at xmission.com  Tue Dec 31 18:31:49 2002
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:31:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>;
	from chaim@chaim.com on Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 09:23:49AM -0800
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
Message-ID: <20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 09:23:49AM -0800, chaim at chaim.com wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2002 at 12:18, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> > What version of Python ar you using? 
> 
> Python 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30)
> [GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more 
> information.
> >>> import distutils
> >>> distutils.__version__
> '1.0.3'
> >>>

For the record, I am in the exact same bind... as are most people with RH 
8.0, I'd imagine.  I've seen this bug mentioned over the past few months 
during beta testing, but every reply I've come across says simple that it 
was a known error that had been repaired in later revs.  Seems this wasn't 
the case after all.

I plead utter Python ignorance.  Can anyone point me in the proper 
direction for a workaround/fix?  

I'm also a little confused about the CGI wrapper error:

"Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the CGI
wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody", but
the system's web server executed the CGI script as
group "apache".  Try tweaking the web server to run the
script as group "nobody", or re-run configure, 
providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'."

I have yet to tweak my Apache, but reconfiguring with this flag did not 
seem to work, as I expected it would.  I'll beat on the httpd.conf later 
today when I find a minute or two.


-- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION

"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war."
			-JFK, American University, June 10, 1963





From info at bazzmann.com  Tue Dec 31 18:40:51 2002
From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:40:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 Upgrading trouble.
Message-ID: <3E11D6A3.9040604@bazzmann.com>

Hi all!
I just finished upgrading from 2.0.13 to 2.1 stable. It works
ok (great work guys!), but when I send a post to pre-created
mailing list, QMail returns me a message like this:

"<humana at bazzmann.com>:
preline: fatal: unable to run /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper: file does 
not exist"

I have to create again the same list or there is a tool that I
don't see yet? I have correctly execute crontab -u  and qrunner.

Thanks in advance,
Marco

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From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 18:39:54 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
	<20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "WW" == Warren Woodward <scratch at xmission.com> writes:

    WW> For the record, I am in the exact same bind... as are most
    WW> people with RH 8.0, I'd imagine.

Is it really related to RH8.0?  I've certainly never been able to
reproduce it on RH7.3, which is all I have available at the moment.
If so, then we need to figure out what's different about RH8.0.  Here
are some questions:

- Are you using the standard Python from RH8 or did you build it from
  source?

- If your Python comes from an RPM, did you install just the standard
  package or did you also install the devel package?

- Do you see any other errors from a "make install" of Mailman 2.1?
  Look very carefully, especially where the distutils packages are
  being installed.

- Does your /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib have both a korean subdir and
  a korean.pth file?
    
-Barry


From info at bazzmann.com  Tue Dec 31 18:55:46 2002
From: info at bazzmann.com (Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:55:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] P.S.
In-Reply-To: <3E11D6A3.9040604@bazzmann.com>
References: <3E11D6A3.9040604@bazzmann.com>
Message-ID: <3E11DA22.8070109@bazzmann.com>

Marco Trevisan | Bazzmann.Com wrote:
> I just finished upgrading from 2.0.13 to 2.1 stable. It works
> ok (great work guys!), but when I send a post to pre-created

The error message returns with new lists too.
I've created new list with addnewlist command, as used in 2.0.13.

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From warrenw at xmission.com  Tue Dec 31 18:53:20 2002
From: warrenw at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:53:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>;
	from barry@python.org on Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:39:54PM -0500
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost> <20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:39:54PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> - Are you using the standard Python from RH8 or did you build it from
>   source?

Standard Python from RH 8.0.

> 
> - If your Python comes from an RPM, did you install just the standard
>   package or did you also install the devel package?

I didn't intentionally install the devel package.  I don't believe it's 
there (can't check at the moment).


> - Do you see any other errors from a "make install" of Mailman 2.1?
>   Look very carefully, especially where the distutils packages are
>   being installed.

Not that I can see.  Here's a tee of it:

http://home.thescratchpad.net/mminstall.txt

> 
> - Does your /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib have both a korean subdir and
>   a korean.pth file?

It has neither.  In fact, it's quite empty (hadn't noticed that before).  
Note also that RH (for whatever reason) uses /var/mailman as the default
install path, so I built the upgrade to use the same.  I attempted an
alternate installation in the /usr/local/mailman/, but obviously, had the
same error.


-- 
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XMission DSL
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION

"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war."
			-JFK, American University, June 10, 1963





From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Dec 31 19:46:12 2002
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:46:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Question about Mailman !!
In-Reply-To: <E18TPmN-0001NE-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021231124319.04dfe540@mail.thcwd.com>

Erich Fuchs wrote:
>the only idea i have is to do a parallel installation of Python 2.2.2 -
>and point MailMan to this installation - but i'm NOT sure about this !
>it's also a little dangerous and timecomsuming task (expect 2-3 hours) -
>and i did't want to break your servers config !!!

      I am also looking at having to do this, and would love to hear from 
anyone who has done it.  You are correct that updating Python will trash 
Ensim.  My Ensim has two versions of Python (neither is high enough) and I 
can point things to the other one just fine - so it is possible to have two 
installations.  Now I just need to figure out how to install a second 
version without messing with the other ones.


<>< Paul



From chris.gray at amd.com  Tue Dec 31 19:15:20 2002
From: chris.gray at amd.com (chris.gray at amd.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:15:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email addresses that get modified by outgoing server
	cause subscr iption problems
Message-ID: <99F2150714F93F448942F9A9F112634C2E78EC@txexmtae.amd.com>

I have a small problem. When users subscribe to my list they will use say "
<mailto:cgray at foo.bar> cgray at foo.bar". The subscription process works...
however... unbeknownst to the user... their subscription email address is
should really be "cgray at mail.foo.bar <mailto:cgray at mail.foo.bar> ".
 
So what happens, is cgray at foo.bar <mailto:cgray at foo.bar>  is a member... and
cgray at mail.foo.bar <mailto:cgray at mail.foo.bar>  is not allowed to post. I
did a brief search on Usenet and the faqs and couldn't come up with he
correct search combination to find my answer. How can I allow foo.bar as my
posting address and not mail.foo.bar?
 
Can anyone provide some insight for me?
 
Thanks in advance... please respond to my email address as I am not on the
list.
 
Thanks,
 
-Chris
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From chaim at chaim.com  Tue Dec 31 20:22:07 2002
From: chaim at chaim.com (chaim at chaim.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:22:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <15889.54266.177169.385577@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <3E117DDF.25755.1826E30F@localhost>

On 31 Dec 2002 at 12:29, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> Do you see any errors in the make output before the line about the
> korean package?

No

> Also, look in /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib.  You should see both a
> korean subdir and a file called korean.pth.

That directory is empty.


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 20:39:45 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:39:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.54266.177169.385577@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E117DDF.25755.1826E30F@localhost>
Message-ID: <15889.62081.835082.36397@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "chaim" ==   <chaim at chaim.com> writes:

    chaim> On 31 Dec 2002 at 12:29, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

    >> Do you see any errors in the make output before the line about
    >> the korean package?

    chaim> No

    >> Also, look in /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib.  You should see
    >> both a korean subdir and a file called korean.pth.

    chaim> That directory is empty.

Okay so the distutils installation in the misc directory is failing.
The question is, why?  Can you do the following:

% make distclean
% configure (with whatever options you used)
% make install

And send me the output.  Hopefully there's a clue in the make output.

Thanks,
-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 20:41:31 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:41:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1 Upgrading trouble.
References: <3E11D6A3.9040604@bazzmann.com>
Message-ID: <15889.62187.207538.728855@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "MT" == Marco Trevisan <info at bazzmann.com> writes:

    MT> "<humana at bazzmann.com>: preline: fatal: unable to run
    MT> /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper: file does not exist"

The wrapper was renamed in MM2.1.  See README.QMAIL for details.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 20:47:36 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:47:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
	<20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "WW" == Warren Woodward <warrenw at xmission.com> writes:

    >> - Do you see any other errors from a "make install" of Mailman
    >> 2.1?  Look very carefully, especially where the distutils
    >> packages are being installed.

    WW> Not that I can see.  Here's a tee of it:

    WW> http://home.thescratchpad.net/mminstall.txt

Thanks.  Okay, I believe that the distutils install is failing, but
the make output gives no clue as to why.  Can you do the following for
me at the shell:

% cd <source directory>
% cd misc
% gunzip -c email-2.4.3.tar.gz | tar xf -
% cd email-2.4.3
% umask 02
% PYTHONPATH=/var/mailman/pythonlib /usr/bin/python setup.py install --install-lib /var/mailman/pythonlib --install-purelib /var/mailman/pythonlib --install-data /var/mailman/pythonlib

And please send me the output.

Thanks,
-Barry


From chaim at chaim.com  Tue Dec 31 21:08:03 2002
From: chaim at chaim.com (chaim at chaim.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:08:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <15889.62081.835082.36397@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <3E1188A3.20864.1850F288@localhost>

On 31 Dec 2002 at 14:39, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> Okay so the distutils installation in the misc directory is failing.
> The question is, why?  Can you do the following:
> 
> % make distclean
> % configure (with whatever options you used)
> % make install
> 
> And send me the output.  Hopefully there's a clue in the make output. 


[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ make clean
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/bin'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/cron'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/misc'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/Mailman'
for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui 
Commands; \
do \
    (cd $d; make clean); \
done
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Cgi'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Cgi'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Logging'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Logging'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Archiver'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Archiver'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Handlers'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Handlers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Bouncers'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Bouncers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Queue'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Queue'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/MTA'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/MTA'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Gui'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Gui'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Commands'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Commands'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/scripts'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/src'
rm: cannot lstat `*.o': No such file or directory
make[1]: [clean] Error 1 (ignored)
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/templates'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/templates'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/messages'
rm -f marked.files docstring.files
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/messages'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/tests'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/tests'
rm -f update.log
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ WWWHOST=lists.indigo-confederation.com
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ MAILHOST=mail.indigo-confederation.com
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ export WWWHOST MAILHOST
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ make distclean
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/bin'
rm Makefile
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/cron'
rm Makefile crontab.in
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/misc'
rm Makefile paths.py mailman
rm -rf email-2.4.3 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.9 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/Mailman'
rm Makefile Defaults.py mm_cfg.py.dist
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[1]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui 
Commands; \
do \
    (cd $d; make distclean); \
done
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Cgi'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Cgi'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Logging'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Logging'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Archiver'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Archiver'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Handlers'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Handlers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Bouncers'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Bouncers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Queue'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Queue'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/MTA'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/MTA'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Gui'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Gui'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Commands'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Commands'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/scripts'
rm Makefile
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/src'
rm: cannot lstat `*.o': No such file or directory
make[1]: [clean] Error 1 (ignored)
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/templates'
rm -f Makefile
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/templates'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/messages'
rm -f marked.files docstring.files
rm -f Makefile
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/messages'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/tests'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[1]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/tests/bounces'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/tests/bounces'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/tests/msgs'
rm *.pyc
rm: cannot lstat `*.pyc': No such file or directory
make[2]: [distclean] Error 1 (ignored)
rm Makefile
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/tests/msgs'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/tests'
rm -f config.cache config.log config.status Makefile
rm -rf build
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ ./configure --with-mail-gid=qmail --with-
cgi-gid=apache
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2.1
checking that Python has distutils... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-permcheck... yes
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for user name "mailman"... okay
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for group name "mailman"... okay
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper group; i.e. --with-mail-gid... qmail
checking for CGI wrapper group; i.e. --with-cgi-gid... apache
checking for CGI extensions... no
checking for --with-mailhost... no
checking for --with-urlhost... no
checking for default mail host name... dsl093-167-
214.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net
checking for default URL host component... dsl093-167-
214.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net
checking for strerror... yes
checking for setregid... yes
checking for syslog... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for syslog.h... yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... yes
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/Commands/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Queue/Makefile
creating Mailman/MTA/Makefile
creating Mailman/Gui/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating messages/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating misc/mailman
creating Makefile
creating tests/Makefile
creating tests/bounces/Makefile
creating tests/msgs/Makefile
creating build/bin/add_members
creating build/bin/arch
creating build/bin/change_pw
creating build/bin/check_db
creating build/bin/check_perms
creating build/bin/cleanarch
creating build/bin/clone_member
creating build/bin/config_list
creating build/bin/convert.py
creating build/bin/dumpdb
creating build/bin/find_member
creating build/bin/fix_url.py
creating build/bin/genaliases
creating build/bin/inject
creating build/bin/list_admins
creating build/bin/list_lists
creating build/bin/list_members
creating build/bin/list_owners
creating build/bin/mailmanctl
creating build/bin/mmsitepass
creating build/bin/newlist
creating build/bin/pygettext.py
creating build/bin/qrunner
creating build/bin/remove_members
creating build/bin/rmlist
creating build/bin/sync_members
creating build/bin/transcheck
creating build/bin/unshunt
creating build/bin/update
creating build/bin/version
creating build/bin/withlist
creating build/bin/b4b5-archfix
creating build/contrib/check_perms_grsecurity.py
creating build/contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py
creating build/contrib/rotatelogs.py
creating build/cron/bumpdigests
creating build/cron/checkdbs
creating build/cron/disabled
creating build/cron/gate_news
creating build/cron/mailpasswds
creating build/cron/nightly_gzip
creating build/cron/senddigests
configuration completed at Tue Dec 31 12:02:45 PST 2002
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ make install
Creating architecture independent directories...
chmod o-r /usr/local/mailman/archives/private
Creating architecture dependent directories...
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/bin'
for f in mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members 
remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_d
b withlist check_perms find_member version config_list list_lists 
dumpdb cleanarch list_admins genaliases change_pw mail
manctl qrunner inject unshunt fix_url.py convert.py transcheck b4b5-
archfix list_owners; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 ../build/bin/$f 
/usr/local/mailman/bin; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/bin'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/cron'
for f in crontab.in; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/cron; \
done
for f in checkdbs mailpasswds senddigests gate_news nightly_gzip 
bumpdigests disabled; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 ../build/cron/$f 
/usr/local/mailman/cron; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/cron'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/misc'
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./*.jpg ./*.png /usr/local/mailman/icons
for d in bin cron scripts tests; \
do \
    dir=/usr/local/mailman/$d; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 755 mailman /usr/local/mailman/scripts
for p in email-2.4.3 JapaneseCodecs-1.4.9 KoreanCodecs-2.0.5; \
do \
    gunzip -c ./$p.tar.gz | tar xf -; \
    (cd $p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib 
/usr/bin/python setup.py --quiet install --install-lib /
usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --install-purelib 
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib --install-data 
/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib);
 \
done
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 38, in ?
    cmdclass={'install_lib': EmailInstall},
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", line 138, in setup
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 893, in 
run_commands
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 912, in 
run_command
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized
    return stop
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", line 
267, in finalize_option
s
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 408, in 
get_config_vars
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 313, in 
_init_posix
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: 
unable to open /usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile 
(No such file or directory)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 62, in ?
    ["src/_japanese_codecs.c"])])
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", line 138, in setup
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 893, in 
run_commands
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 912, in 
run_command
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized
    return stop
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", line 
267, in finalize_option
s
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 408, in 
get_config_vars
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 313, in 
_init_posix
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: 
unable to open /usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile 
(No such file or directory)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 71, in ?
    ext_modules = flavors['extension'] and [
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", line 138, in setup
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 893, in 
run_commands
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 912, in 
run_command
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized
    return stop
  File "setup.py", line 50, in finalize_options
    install.finalize_options(self)
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", line 
267, in finalize_option
s
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 408, in 
get_config_vars
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 313, in 
_init_posix
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: 
unable to open /usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile 
(No such file or directory)
make[1]: *** [install-packages] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/misc'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/Mailman'
for f in ./*.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /usr/local/mailman/Mailman
if [ ! -f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ]; \
then \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py; \
fi
for d in Cgi Logging Archiver Handlers Bouncers Queue MTA Gui 
Commands; \
do \
    (cd $d; make install); \
done
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Cgi'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi; \
        done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Cgi'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Logging'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Logging'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Archiver'
for f in __init__.py Archiver.py HyperArch.py HyperDatabase.py 
pipermail.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Archiver'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Handlers'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Handlers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Bouncers'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Bouncers'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Queue'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue; 
\
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Queue'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/MTA'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/MTA'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Gui'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Gui; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Gui'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Commands'
for f in *.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Commands; \
done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/Mailman/Commands'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/Mailman'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/scripts'
for f in bounces confirm driver join leave owner post request; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./$f /usr/local/mailman/scripts; \
done
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./bounces /usr/local/mailman/scripts/admin
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./join    
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe
/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 ./leave   
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/unsubscribe
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/scripts'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/src'
gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" -
DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -
DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -D
HAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -
DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./common.c
gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/local/mailman\"" -
DPYTHON="\"/usr/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -g -O2 -
DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -D
HAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -
DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./vsnprintf.
c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admindb\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 
-DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=
1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o admindb ./cgi-wrap
per.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -
DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 
-DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o admin ./cgi-wrapper.
c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"confirm\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 
-DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=
1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o confirm ./cgi-wrap
per.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"create\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -
DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1
 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o create ./cgi-wrappe
r.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"edithtml\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -
O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG
=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o edithtml ./cgi-wr
apper.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"listinfo\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -
O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG
=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o listinfo ./cgi-wr
apper.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"options\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 
-DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=
1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o options ./cgi-wrap
per.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"private\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 
-DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=
1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o private ./cgi-wrap
per.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"rmlist\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -
DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1
 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o rmlist ./cgi-wrappe
r.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"roster\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -
DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1
 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o roster ./cgi-wrappe
r.c
gcc -DSCRIPT="\"subscribe\"" -I. -DCGI_GROUP="\"apache\"" -g -O2 -g -
O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLO
G=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -
DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o subscribe ./cgi-
wrapper.c
gcc -I. -DMAIL_GROUP="\"qmail\"" -g -O2 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -
DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHA
VE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o 
vsnprintf.o -o mailman ./mail-wrapper.c
for f in admindb admin confirm create edithtml listinfo options 
private rmlist roster subscribe; \
do \
    exe=/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/$f; \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f $exe; \
    chmod g+s $exe; \
done
for f in mailman; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /usr/local/mailman/mail; \
    chmod g+s /usr/local/mailman/mail/$f; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/templates'
for d in big5 cs en es et de fi fr gb hu it ja ko lt nl no pt_BR ru 
sv; \
do \
    ./../mkinstalldirs /usr/local/mailman/templates/$d; \
    for f in ./$d/*.html ./$d/*.txt; \
    do \
    	/usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/templates/$d; \
    done; \
done
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/templates'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/messages'
Creating language directory 
/usr/local/mailman/messages/cs/LC_MESSAGES
Creating language directory 
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make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/messages'
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-2.1/tests'
for f in ./test*.py ./*Base.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests; \
        done
for f in ./onebounce.py ./fblast.py; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests; \
        done
for d in bounces msgs; \
do \
    (cd $d; make install); \
done
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/tests/bounces'
for f in ./*.txt; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests/bounces; \
        done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/tests/bounces'
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
2.1/tests/msgs'
for f in ./*.txt; \
do \
    /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /usr/local/mailman/tests/msgs; \
        done
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/mailman/mailman-
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/usr/bin/python -c 'from compileall import *; 
compile_dir("/usr/local/mailman/Mailman")'
Listing /usr/local/mailman/Mailman ...
Listing /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py ...
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Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/TopicMgr.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/UserDesc.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py ...
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Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 45, in ?
    import paths
  File "bin/paths.py", line 59, in ?
    import korean
ImportError: No module named korean
make: *** [update] Error 1
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ 



From scratch at xmission.com  Tue Dec 31 21:09:02 2002
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:09:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>;
	from barry@python.org on Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 02:47:36PM -0500
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost> <20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>
	<15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20021231130902.A7630@xmission.com>

Hmm.  I think I'm back to blaming Red Hat.

_____

[root at home email-2.4.3]# PYTHONPATH=/var/mailman/pythonlib /usr/bin/python 
setup.py install --install-lib /var/mailman/pythonlib --install-purelib 
/var/mailman/pythonlib --install-data /var/mailman/pythonlib
running install
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "setup.py", line 38, in ?
    cmdclass={'install_lib': EmailInstall},
  File 
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", 
line 138, in setup
  File 
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", 
line 893, in run_commands
  File 
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", 
line 912, in run_command
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized
    return stop
  File 
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", 
line 267, in finalize_options
  File 
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", 
line 408, in get_config_vars
  File 
"/usr/src/build/143041-i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", 
line 313, in _init_posix
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: 
unable to open /usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile (No such file or 
directory)


-- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION

"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war."
			-JFK, American University, June 10, 1963





From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 21:15:56 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:15:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.62081.835082.36397@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E1188A3.20864.1850F288@localhost>
Message-ID: <15889.64252.386151.280678@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


Thanks, that's actually very helpful.  Okay, next, try this:

% python
Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) 
[GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import distutils.sysconfig
>>> len(distutils.sysconfig.get_config_vars())
123
>>> 

I don't care what the number is, I just care if you get an exception
or not.  If not, then I'll be really confused.

If you do get an exception, then I know what to add to configure to
catch this problem, but it essentially means you'll have to install
the python-devel package to get the needed files.

I think it looks like RedHat changes their Python RPMs again.  Sigh.
-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 21:17:16 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:17:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
	<20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>
	<15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231130902.A7630@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <15889.64332.152269.293235@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "WW" == Warren Woodward <scratch at xmission.com> writes:

    WW> Hmm.  I think I'm back to blaming Red Hat.

Me too.  See my followup to Chaim.

I'm betting (hoping) that if you install the python-devel package,
it'll work for you.  Unfortunately, configure had a catch for this,
but it looks like RH changed their packages again and that catch
doesn't work.  Should be easy to "fix".

-Barry


From chaim at chaim.com  Tue Dec 31 21:20:26 2002
From: chaim at chaim.com (chaim at chaim.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:20:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <15889.64252.386151.280678@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <3E118B8A.14838.185C4A83@localhost>

On 31 Dec 2002 at 15:15, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> 
> Thanks, that's actually very helpful.  Okay, next, try this:
> 
> % python
> Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) 
> [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import distutils.sysconfig >>>
> len(distutils.sysconfig.get_config_vars()) 123 >>> 
> 
> I don't care what the number is, I just care if you get an exception
> or not.  If not, then I'll be really confused.
> 
> If you do get an exception, then I know what to add to configure to
> catch this problem, but it essentially means you'll have to install
> the python-devel package to get the needed files.
> 
> I think it looks like RedHat changes their Python RPMs again.  Sigh.
> -Barry
> 

[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$ python
Python 2.2.1 (#1, Aug 30 2002, 12:15:30)
[GCC 3.2 20020822 (Red Hat Linux Rawhide 3.2-4)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more 
information.
>>> import distutils.sysconfig
>>> len(distutils.sysconfig.get_config_vars())
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 408, in 
get_config_vars
  File "/usr/src/build/143041-
i386/install/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 313, in 
_init_posix
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: 
unable to open /usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile
(No such file or directory)
>>>
[mailman at www mailman-2.1]$


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 21:23:28 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:23:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
	<20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>
	<15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231130902.A7630@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <15889.64704.843389.986023@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


Could folks who are having these "no korean package" problems please
try the following configure script?

If I'm right about the problem, this should bomb out with an error
pretty early on.  If it does, please install the python-devel package
and see if that fixes your problems.

If we can resolve this in the next couple of hours, I can upload a new
tarball before the release announcement.

Thanks!
-Barry

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From raquel at thericehouse.net  Tue Dec 31 22:25:31 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:25:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re:  Question about Mailman !!
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021231124319.04dfe540@mail.thcwd.com>
References: <E18TPmN-0001NE-00@mail.python.org>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20021231124319.04dfe540@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <20021231132531.434191ce.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:46:12 -0600
Paul H Byerly <paul at thcwd.com> wrote:

> Erich Fuchs wrote:
> >the only idea i have is to do a parallel installation of Python
> >2.2.2 - and point MailMan to this installation - but i'm NOT sure
> >about this ! it's also a little dangerous and timecomsuming task
> >(expect 2-3 hours) - and i did't want to break your servers
> >config !!!
> 
>       I am also looking at having to do this, and would love to
>       hear from 
> anyone who has done it.  You are correct that updating Python will
> trash Ensim.  My Ensim has two versions of Python (neither is high
> enough) and I can point things to the other one just fine - so it
> is possible to have two installations.  Now I just need to figure
> out how to install a second version without messing with the other
> ones.
> 
> 
> <>< Paul

It's been so long since I installed a new version of Python, so I
don't remember it all.  However, it seems that in the ./config
there's an option to place the new installation somewhere other than
over the old installation.  Have you tried reading the "Build
Instructions" in the README file?  Reading instructions is good.

--
Raquel
============================================================
The greatest and noblest pleasure which we have in this world is to
discover new truths, and the next is to shake off old prejudices.
  --Frederick II, the Great



From scratch at xmission.com  Tue Dec 31 22:39:35 2002
From: scratch at xmission.com (Warren Woodward)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:39:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
In-Reply-To: <15889.64704.843389.986023@gargle.gargle.HOWL>;
	from barry@python.org on Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 03:23:28PM -0500
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost> <20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>
	<15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231130902.A7630@xmission.com>
	<15889.64704.843389.986023@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <20021231143935.A11275@xmission.com>

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 03:23:28PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
Content-Description: message body text
> 
> Could folks who are having these "no korean package" problems please
> try the following configure script?
> 
> If I'm right about the problem, this should bomb out with an error
> pretty early on.  If it does, please install the python-devel package
> and see if that fixes your problems.
> 

It did:

_____

[root at home mailman-2.1rc1]# ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... (cached) /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.2.1
checking that Python has distutils... configure: error:

***** Distutils is not available or is incomplete for /usr/bin/python
***** If you installed Python from RPM (or other package manager)
***** be sure to install the -devel package, or install Python
***** from source.  See README.LINUX for details

_____

I'll compile Python from source in a bit here and try again.


-- 
warren woodward
XMission DSL
Domo/Mailman
warrenw at xmission.com
(801) 303-0819
(877) XMISSION

"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war."
			-JFK, American University, June 10, 1963





From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 22:45:59 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
	<20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>
	<15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231130902.A7630@xmission.com>
	<15889.64704.843389.986023@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231143935.A11275@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <15890.4119.190417.988182@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


Thanks, I'm going to make this change to the 2.1 tarball.

-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 23:25:00 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No module named korean
References: <15889.53591.837515.900380@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<3E116225.18929.17BA9555@localhost>
	<20021231103149.A581@xmission.com>
	<15889.54890.949835.174861@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231105320.A1371@xmission.com>
	<15889.62552.494668.429999@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231130902.A7630@xmission.com>
	<15889.64704.843389.986023@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
	<20021231143935.A11275@xmission.com>
	<15890.4119.190417.988182@gargle.gargle.HOWL>
Message-ID: <15890.6460.9508.736008@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <barry at python.org> writes:

    BAW> Thanks, I'm going to make this change to the 2.1 tarball.

I've just uploaded a new tarball and am about to make the
announcements.  I've tested the new configure script as best I can on
RH 7.3 and it seems to do the trick (I tried removing and adding the
python2-devel package).

Thanks all who helped, and have a great new year.
-Barry


From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 23:28:39 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:28:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 - final
Message-ID: <15890.6679.815374.10775@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


After nearly two years of development, we are happy to announce the
release of GNU Mailman 2.1.  Mailman is free software that enables
users to manage email mailing lists and e-newsletters.  Its integrated
web interface provides easy-to-use access for list members and list
administrators.  Mailman supports built-in archiving, automatic bounce
processing, content filtering, digest delivery, spam filters, and
more.

Mailman 2.1 is fully internationalized, supporting 17 languages
out-of-the-box.  A summary of additional new features in Mailman 2.1
is outlined below.  The NEWS file in the source distribution contains
more details about all the new features.

For more information on Mailman, including downloading and
installation instructions, please visit one of the following mirror
sites:

    http://www.list.org
    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://mailman.sf.net

The Mailman developers wish to thank Control.com for their sponsorship
of several Mailman 2.1 features, Zope Corporation for their support,
and the entire Mailman community for their contributions.

-Barry Warsaw
Pythonlabs, Zope Corporation

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
- Multi-lingual support for all web pages and Mailman generated email
  notices, with languages selectable on a per-site, per-list, and
  per-user basis.

- Through-the-web list creation and removal; (with automatic support
  depending on the MTA)

- "Real name" support for members

- Improved simple user-task operation (e.g. no passwords required for
  subscription and unsubscription).

- Support for personalized deliveries and VERP-like message delivery
  for foolproof bounce detection

- Emergency moderation

- MIME-based content-filtering, with demime/stripmime-like options

- Regular expression based topic-filtering

- Better membership management, including searching

- Re-organized administrative requests pages

- Moderated newsgroup support

- A new architecture for the mail delivery subsystem, removing
  dependence on cron, resulting in improved responsiveness and
  scalability

- New moderation and privacy controls

- Invitations

- Autoresponse governors

- Users can now change some delivery options globally, for all lists
  at a site, including their password, delivery status, real name, and
  more.

- Improved MIME and I18n support in the archiver

- Addition of a separate "list moderator" role

- Urgent: header support (bypasses digests to reach all users
  immediately).



From paul at thcwd.com  Tue Dec 31 23:32:55 2002
From: paul at thcwd.com (Paul H Byerly)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:32:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question about Mailman !!
In-Reply-To: <E18TRyO-0005EG-01@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20021231155810.04e413d0@mail.thcwd.com>

Barry wrote:
>I don't know anything about Ensim, but if it's even remotely Unix-y,

      Ensim is software that is used to make a server do virtual 
hosting.  There are both Linux and Windows versions.  Mine, and many, run 
with Red Hat Linux 7.x.

>you should be able to do an "altinstall" of Python 2.2.2 in /usr/local.
>E.g.:
>
>     ./configure
>     make
>     make altinstall

      I love this list!  Never seen an altinstall mentioned, but they I'm 
still crawling.  Apparently this does the same thing as make install except 
it does not create (or replace) a hard link of the new version to "python".
      Doing some searching on this I'm seeing reference to using the 
--prefix option with configure to name the directory that it will be 
installed to.  Is this necessary, or is it only for installing the files in 
a directory other than the current one?

Thanks for any enlightenment!

<>< Paul



From barry at python.org  Tue Dec 31 23:49:25 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Question about Mailman !!
References: <E18TRyO-0005EG-01@mail.python.org>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20021231155810.04e413d0@mail.thcwd.com>
Message-ID: <15890.7925.637390.100350@gargle.gargle.HOWL>


>>>>> "PHB" == Paul H Byerly <paul at thcwd.com> writes:

    PHB> Barry wrote:
    >> I don't know anything about Ensim, but if it's even remotely
    >> Unix-y,

    PHB>       Ensim is software that is used to make a server do
    PHB> virtual hosting.  There are both Linux and Windows versions.
    PHB> Mine, and many, run with Red Hat Linux 7.x.

Thanks for the info!

    >> you should be able to do an "altinstall" of Python 2.2.2 in
    >> /usr/local.  E.g.: ./configure make make altinstall

    PHB>       I love this list!  Never seen an altinstall mentioned,
    PHB> but they I'm still crawling.  Apparently this does the same
    PHB> thing as make install except it does not create (or replace)
    PHB> a hard link of the new version to "python".

Exactly.  It lets you have multiple versions of Python living in the
same directory.  Do a regular "make install" for you main one, and
altinstalls for all your alternatives.  You don't wanna know how many
are in my /usr/local/bin! :)
    
    PHB> Doing some searching on this I'm seeing reference to using
    PHB> the --prefix option with configure to name the directory that
    PHB> it will be installed to.  Is this necessary, or is it only
    PHB> for installing the files in a directory other than the
    PHB> current one?

--prefix on either Python's or Mailman's configure just says to put
*everything* under the specified directory.  By default Python's
prefix is /usr/local while Mailman's is /usr/local/mailman.

Using --prefix is a good way to make sure that Python is completely
distinct and separate from any other, so it's another way to go if you
want.

-Barry