Apache/1.3.23 Server at lists.travellercentral.com Port 80

 tagged 
message text displays sensibly with a web browser. So your long URL would 
survive intact transit through and archiving by MM. It certainly does on my 
MM system.

Sendmail can be configured to limit line length so some MTA through which 
your mail is passing could be limiting line length though usually it will 
be to the 990 character limit.

The MUA from whence the long URL originated is possible culprit.

The fact is that the RFC admits the possibility of line length manipulation 
by Mail Agents although it could be regarded as anti-social to use the 78 
char limit. The only way to ensure line break changes do not corrupt your 
data is to base64 encode it; not the most convenient solution, I grant you.

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Aug 20 18:12:31 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:12:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] long/short option in search refine
In-Reply-To: <000901c24851$58842000$c764a8c0@ads.intra.imc>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820164805.00acec60@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:56 20/08/2002 +0200, Roelf Schreurs wrote:
>Hi
>
>I changed my mailman/htdig and removed the option of  "Format"  with
>long/short. That working fine, but when I search and get the replies, I get
>the option to refine the search and the "Format" option is back.
>I can't find where to delete this.
>
>Anybody that can clear this up please?
>
>Thanks

On MM 2.0.13 you will want to (carefully) change the following string 
variables in $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py: TOC_htsearch_template 
and htdig_conf_template.

TOC_htsearch_template is used whenever the per list TOC page 
($prefix/archives/private//index.html) is rebuilt. This happens 
regularly so do not expect to just edit the index.html file for a list and 
have the changes stick.

htdig_conf_template is used to construct the per list htdig conf files at 
$prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf. Once constructed 
these files remain relatively static unless you run 
$prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig.

On MM 2.1b3 things are, arguably, a little easier.

The template used to construct the per list TOC page is a separate text 
file in $prefix/templates//TOC_htsearch.html. Well its in 
$prefix/templates/en/TOC_htsearch.html and non-English speaking admins are 
free to translate the contents of the English file to their mother tongue 
and send it to me for incorporation into future versions of the 2.1 patch.

htdig_conf_template is still in $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py

Changing TOC_htsearch_template and htdig_conf_template produces a site wide 
change which affects all new lists.

Changing TOC_htsearch_template will affect an existing list the next time 
that $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig has to do something for the list (the 
list's TOC page is rebuilt at that time) or the list's TOC page is rebuilt 
for some other reason like the monthly archive rollover.

Changing htdig_conf_template will not affect an existing list unless and 
until $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig is run on that list.

From michael_clifford at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 20 18:13:57 2002
From: michael_clifford at hotmail.com (Michael Clifford)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:13:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing/deleting archives etc via gui instead of scripts
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From maillist at blitzen.net  Tue Aug 20 19:07:19 2002
From: maillist at blitzen.net (Steve Lee)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer, recipient email
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I've been looking all over the net, 
the list archives about trying to make
a footer in the email say somthing like 
this.

http://www.foo.com/cgi-bin/unsub.cgi?e=email at address.com

I've looked at the footer section in the "Regular-member"
menu of the admin section, tried to add that above
but i need to dynamically put the email at address.com of
the recipient of the email.   

looking at it looks like the you can use %(attribute)s
i tried  %(email)s   but no luck.

any help will be helpful..

Thanks again.

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Aug 20 19:42:26 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:42:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer, recipient email
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820183728.0459c6c0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:07 20/08/2002 -0700, Steve Lee wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I've been looking all over the net,
>the list archives about trying to make
>a footer in the email say somthing like
>this.
>
>http://www.foo.com/cgi-bin/unsub.cgi?e=email at address.com
>
>
>I've looked at the footer section in the "Regular-member"
>menu of the admin section, tried to add that above
>but i need to dynamically put the email at address.com of
>the recipient of the email.
>
>looking at it looks like the you can use %(attribute)s
>i tried  %(email)s   but no luck.
>
>any help will be helpful..
>
>Thanks again.

Mailman chunks mail being redistributed to a list's members, sending the 
same body to multiple recipients with a single SMTP transaction, for 
efficiency reasons. This isn't amenable to per recipient customization of 
the message as you appear to want.

Unless someone knows better (and tells us how) I think you need to find an 
alternative solution to your problem.

From maillist at blitzen.net  Tue Aug 20 20:48:42 2002
From: maillist at blitzen.net (Steve Lee)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer, recipient email
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820183728.0459c6c0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

thanks for the reply.

so there is no way to do this. damn.

On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Richard Barrett wrote:

> At 10:07 20/08/2002 -0700, Steve Lee wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I've been looking all over the net,
> >the list archives about trying to make
> >a footer in the email say somthing like
> >this.
> >
> >http://www.foo.com/cgi-bin/unsub.cgi?e=email at address.com
> >
> >
> >I've looked at the footer section in the "Regular-member"
> >menu of the admin section, tried to add that above
> >but i need to dynamically put the email at address.com of
> >the recipient of the email.
> >
> >looking at it looks like the you can use %(attribute)s
> >i tried  %(email)s   but no luck.
> >
> >any help will be helpful..
> >
> >Thanks again.
> 
> Mailman chunks mail being redistributed to a list's members, sending the 
> same body to multiple recipients with a single SMTP transaction, for 
> efficiency reasons. This isn't amenable to per recipient customization of 
> the message as you appear to want.
> 
> Unless someone knows better (and tells us how) I think you need to find an 
> alternative solution to your problem.
> 
> 
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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Tue Aug 20 18:23:16 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:23:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A long URL - 2 lines - second line is notclickable.
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820155249.02d10e40@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3D626CF4.2D76EFE4@whidbey.com>

What happens when you send a really long link through the system? In this case, I
suspect that the line is broken before Mailman ever sees it - it would be broken
if you sent it to a standard mail client just the same. But what you are sending
is a text URL, not a link. The link the reipient sees (that isn't working) is
created by the recipient mail client based on starting with http: and ending with
whitespace.

Here is your original URL, I've put it back on one line:
http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18_02.html

Now, here it is again as a link:
http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18_02.html

Unfortunately, that's behind a firewall and nobody outside The Kite Factory will
know if it worked again. Here is one that should be long enough to break
anything, based on all the URL encoding I used. First as text:
http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg

And now as a link:
http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg

I won't know until this goes through the system, but I suspect that all four will
be broken onto two lines, but that the linked versions will still work. Maybe
we'll all learn somethign at that point.

It's a universal problem. As the number of documents on a server grows, I think
we're going to have to abandon the idea of having humans read URLs for taxonomy -
it leads to URLs that break in too many places.

Van

Richard Barrett wrote:

> At 09:22 19/08/2002 -0700, Wang, Mary Y wrote:
> >Hi,
> >I am using Mailman 2.0.6-1 and Sendmail-8.11.6-3.  My users are complaining
> >about the line wrap problem when send mailing mail to the mail list with a
> >long URL.  It seems line wraps text lines that are longer than 80 characters
> >with no white-space.  If you include a long URL in a email message it
> >usually gets split onto separate lines and the typical email reader within
> >BCA (exchange) marks the first part of the link as clickable when usually it
> >isn't.  People have to paste the whole link back together manually in a web
> >browser input dialog to get it to work.
> >
> >First, I thought it maybe a Sendmail problem. So I tried send a mail via
> >Sendmail with a long URL and it appears to be fine.  The long URL did split
> >into two lines, and the second line is still highlighted as a href link, so
> >there was no problem.  By clicking the link, the browser would bring up the
> >correct information.
> >
> >However, sending an email to the mail list is a different problem.
> >
> >For example,
> >http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18
> >_02.html will show up with 2 lines and the second line would be ml and
> >wouldn't be highlighted as part of the URL that is clickable.
> >
> >Any clue?
> >
> >Thanks for any help.  We had this problem for about a year.  I finally got a
> >chance to look into it now.
> >
> >Mary
> >(562) 797-1545
>
> I suspect at the back of this is what RFC2822 says and how some Mail Agent
> code/configuration is interpreting the RFC:
>
> 
> 2.1.1. Line Length Limits
>
>     There are two limits that this standard places on the number of
>     characters in a line. Each line of characters MUST be no more than
>     998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters, excluding
>     the CRLF.
>
>     ...
>
>     The more conservative 78 character recommendation is to accommodate
>     the many implementations of user interfaces that display these
>     messages which may truncate, or disastrously wrap, the display of
>     more than 78 characters per line, in spite of the fact that such
>     implementations are non-conformant to the intent of this
>     specification (and that of [RFC2821] if they actually cause
>     information to be lost). Again, even though this limitation is put on
>     messages, it is encumbant upon implementations which display messages
>     ...
>
> 
>
> Mailman doesn't appear to fool with the line breaks in email sent to it for
> redistribution. Its internal archiver also appears to behave sensibly when
> processing long line into HTML archives files by only word wrapping long
> lines on white space to a reasonable length so that the  tagged
> message text displays sensibly with a web browser. So your long URL would
> survive intact transit through and archiving by MM. It certainly does on my
> MM system.
>
> Sendmail can be configured to limit line length so some MTA through which
> your mail is passing could be limiting line length though usually it will
> be to the 990 character limit.
>
> The MUA from whence the long URL originated is possible culprit.
>
> The fact is that the RFC admits the possibility of line length manipulation
> by Mail Agents although it could be regarded as anti-social to use the 78
> char limit. The only way to ensure line break changes do not corrupt your
> data is to base64 encode it; not the most convenient solution, I grant you.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Aug 21 03:40:42 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:40:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A long URL - 2 lines - second line is notclickable.
In-Reply-To: <3D626CF4.2D76EFE4@whidbey.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820155249.02d10e40@pop.ftel.co.uk>
        <3D626CF4.2D76EFE4@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <55380.140.247.133.60.1029894042.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

All four of those links work, and none break into two lines.

> What happens when you send a really long link through the system? In
> this case, I suspect that the line is broken before Mailman ever sees it
> - it would be broken if you sent it to a standard mail client just the
> same. But what you are sending is a text URL, not a link. The link the
> reipient sees (that isn't working) is created by the recipient mail
> client based on starting with http: and ending with whitespace.
>
> Here is your original URL, I've put it back on one line:
> http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18_02.html
>
> Now, here it is again as a link:
> http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18_02.html
>
> Unfortunately, that's behind a firewall and nobody outside The Kite
> Factory will know if it worked again. Here is one that should be long
> enough to break anything, based on all the URL encoding I used. First as
> text:
> http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
>
> And now as a link:
> http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
>
> I won't know until this goes through the system, but I suspect that all
> four will be broken onto two lines, but that the linked versions will
> still work. Maybe we'll all learn somethign at that point.
>
> It's a universal problem. As the number of documents on a server grows,
> I think we're going to have to abandon the idea of having humans read
> URLs for taxonomy - it leads to URLs that break in too many places.
>
> Van
>
> Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>> At 09:22 19/08/2002 -0700, Wang, Mary Y wrote:
>> >Hi,
>> >I am using Mailman 2.0.6-1 and Sendmail-8.11.6-3.  My users are
>> complaining about the line wrap problem when send mailing mail to the
>> mail list with a long URL.  It seems line wraps text lines that are
>> longer than 80 characters with no white-space.  If you include a long
>> URL in a email message it usually gets split onto separate lines and
>> the typical email reader within BCA (exchange) marks the first part
>> of the link as clickable when usually it isn't.  People have to paste
>> the whole link back together manually in a web browser input dialog
>> to get it to work.
>> >
>> >First, I thought it maybe a Sendmail problem. So I tried send a mail
>> via Sendmail with a long URL and it appears to be fine.  The long URL
>> did split into two lines, and the second line is still highlighted as
>> a href link, so there was no problem.  By clicking the link, the
>> browser would bring up the correct information.
>> >
>> >However, sending an email to the mail list is a different problem.
>> >
>> >For example,
>> >http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18
>> _02.html will show up with 2 lines and the second line would be ml
>> and wouldn't be highlighted as part of the URL that is clickable.
>> >
>> >Any clue?
>> >
>> >Thanks for any help.  We had this problem for about a year.  I
>> finally got a chance to look into it now.
>> >
>> >Mary
>> >(562) 797-1545
>>
>> I suspect at the back of this is what RFC2822 says and how some Mail
>> Agent code/configuration is interpreting the RFC:
>>
>> 
>> 2.1.1. Line Length Limits
>>
>>     There are two limits that this standard places on the number of
>> characters in a line. Each line of characters MUST be no more than
>> 998 characters, and SHOULD be no more than 78 characters,
>> excluding the CRLF.
>>
>>     ...
>>
>>     The more conservative 78 character recommendation is to
>> accommodate the many implementations of user interfaces that
>> display these messages which may truncate, or disastrously wrap,
>> the display of more than 78 characters per line, in spite of the
>> fact that such implementations are non-conformant to the intent of
>> this
>>     specification (and that of [RFC2821] if they actually cause
>>     information to be lost). Again, even though this limitation is put
>> on messages, it is encumbant upon implementations which display
>> messages ...
>>
>> 
>>
>> Mailman doesn't appear to fool with the line breaks in email sent to
>> it for redistribution. Its internal archiver also appears to behave
>> sensibly when processing long line into HTML archives files by only
>> word wrapping long lines on white space to a reasonable length so that
>> the  tagged message text displays sensibly with a web browser. So
>> your long URL would survive intact transit through and archiving by
>> MM. It certainly does on my MM system.
>>
>> Sendmail can be configured to limit line length so some MTA through
>> which your mail is passing could be limiting line length though
>> usually it will be to the 990 character limit.
>>
>> The MUA from whence the long URL originated is possible culprit.
>>
>> The fact is that the RFC admits the possibility of line length
>> manipulation by Mail Agents although it could be regarded as
>> anti-social to use the 78 char limit. The only way to ensure line
>> break changes do not corrupt your data is to base64 encode it; not the
>> most convenient solution, I grant you.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
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From wolf at wolfstream.net  Wed Aug 21 05:03:41 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:03:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [qmail] aliases for 2.1b
Message-ID: <200208202203.41102.wolf@wolfstream.net>

Greets,
After toying with the NON beta versions of mailman a bit, i decided to expand 
my mind and play with the beta version. Not bad, all in all a very very good 
job  done there...
I will say though, that INSTALL.QMAIL should probly be updated with  the newer 
aliases. At the end of the file (the whole --if you want to do this 
manually-- thing ), should be:
#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
    i=$1
    echo Making links to $i...
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post $i" > .qmail-$i
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin $i" > .qmail-$i-admin
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces $i" > .qmail-$i-bounces
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm $i"> .qmail-$i-confirm
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join $i"> .qmail-$i-join
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman leave $i">   .qmail-$i-leave
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner $i">  .qmail-$i-owner
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman request $i"> .qmail-$i-request
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe $i"> 
.qmail-$i-subscribe
echo "|preline /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe $i"> 
.qmail-$i-unsubscribe
else
echo "give me a list to make aliases to"
fi
Of course that's just my modification of it, but seems to work for me.. That
Otherwise, hey, it all looks great!! Great job:P

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From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Wed Aug 21 05:44:10 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:44:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A long URL - 2 lines - second line is notclickable.
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020820155249.02d10e40@pop.ftel.co.uk>
	        <3D626CF4.2D76EFE4@whidbey.com> <55380.140.247.133.60.1029894042.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <3D630C8A.3BDC467A@whidbey.com>

Heaven knows I tried to make them break. My MUA in this case is Netscape Messenger 4.78. At least it demonstrates that it
isn't Mailman messing them up! (Not to mention that Netscape is immune to Klez.H.)

Van

Greg Westin wrote:

> All four of those links work, and none break into two lines.
>
> 
> > What happens when you send a really long link through the system? In
> > this case, I suspect that the line is broken before Mailman ever sees it
> > - it would be broken if you sent it to a standard mail client just the
> > same. But what you are sending is a text URL, not a link. The link the
> > reipient sees (that isn't working) is created by the recipient mail
> > client based on starting with http: and ending with whitespace.
> >
> > Here is your original URL, I've put it back on one line:
> > http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18_02.html
> >
> > Now, here it is again as a link:
> > http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18_02.html
> >
> > Unfortunately, that's behind a firewall and nobody outside The Kite
> > Factory will know if it worked again. Here is one that should be long
> > enough to break anything, based on all the URL encoding I used. First as
> > text:
> > http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
> >
> > And now as a link:
> > http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
> >
> > I won't know until this goes through the system, but I suspect that all
> > four will be broken onto two lines, but that the linked versions will
> > still work. Maybe we'll all learn somethign at that point.
> >
> > It's a universal problem. As the number of documents on a server grows,
> > I think we're going to have to abandon the idea of having humans read
> > URLs for taxonomy - it leads to URLs that break in too many places.
> >
> > Van
> >

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From moha at biochem.mpg.de  Mon Aug 19 13:37:53 2002
From: moha at biochem.mpg.de (Monika Haberland)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:37:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with adding new members to list
Message-ID: <3D60D891.3F5A373E@biochem.mpg.de>

Please forward this problem in Mailman to the corresponding person
working on the theme:

I implemented and configuered the mailman program Vers. 2.0.6 under Suse
Linux.

I have a list called "biochem" running in our Intranet with members that
have email-addresses like:
1.) meier at biochem.mpg.de

and another member in a subdomain with the address:
2.) meier at vw.biochem.mpg.de

when using the administrative page "Membership Management" for inserting
user 1. and then user 2. the second one will not be accepted -I get the
reply: Error, user already exists.

when I insert user 2. first and then user 1. both users will be accepted
correctly.

-- 
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From director at mywoman2woman.com  Mon Aug 19 16:20:35 2002
From: director at mywoman2woman.com (director at mywoman2woman.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:20:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
Message-ID: <00d101c2478b$95f6c940$bd552144@aberdn01.md.comcast.net>

Hi, 

I searched the FAQ and couldn?t find anything. My list was running fine
and then Saturday it just stopped working. We?ve sent test after test
with no luck. I would appreciate any assistance or advice you can offer.
Thank you!!!!

Sincerely, 

Sharon S. E. Schlossenberg
Director - My Woman2Woman Network
Email: Director at mywoman2woman.com

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From deanna+usenet at freeshell.org  Mon Aug 19 17:05:13 2002
From: deanna+usenet at freeshell.org (Deanna Phillips)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:05:13 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner and list_members errors.
Message-ID: 

Hi,

We've been getting a handful of qrunner errors a day, that look
something like this:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
ValueError: bad marshal data

or 

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 44, in ?
    from Mailman.HTMLFormatter import HTMLFormatter 
ValueError: bad marshal data

I tried rebuilding all of the *.pyc files on our 2.0.8
installation, then tried upgrading to 2.0.13 and the problem
continues.  It seems to die in different places (importing
MailList or HTMLFormatter).  I'm not sure whether or not this is
a serious error, since I don't see any evidence of mail not
getting delivered.

However, I have a shell script that I run nightly to list all
members of all of our lists (around 500) and concatenate them
into a file.  All the script asks from mailman is a list_members
on each list.  This has been failing with errors like this:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "../bin/list_members", line 59, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 38, in ?
    from Mailman import LockFile
ValueError: bad marshal data

and 

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "../bin/list_members", line 59, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 41, in ?
    from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 33, in ?
    from Mailman import Message
ValueError: bad marshal data

and then finally:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "../bin/list_members", line 59, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
MemoryError

This is a Debian system running Mailman 2.0.13 with Python
2.2.1, 900 MHz Athlon processor, 256 MB of RAM and 1 GB of swap,
if that matters.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Deanna

From emcnabb at cs.byu.edu  Mon Aug 19 21:45:39 2002
From: emcnabb at cs.byu.edu (Evan N McNabb)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:45:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on multiple machines
Message-ID: 

We've been using mailman for quite some time and it has worked very well. 
Just a question out of curiosity, is it possible to have the web 
interface on one machine and the back-end scripts and sendmail on another? 

-Evan

-----------------
   Evan McNabb
System Programmer
emcnabb at cs.byu.edu
------------------

From i6f7eo001 at sneakemail.com  Tue Aug 20 02:09:38 2002
From: i6f7eo001 at sneakemail.com (Albert Vernon)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to modify the From header
Message-ID: <3D6188C2.1040700@sneakemail.com>

I'm looking for a way to modify the From header in messages that Mailman 
generates.  I looked at the docs but didn't see anything obvious.  How 
do I accomplish this?

Albert

From barbara.bracquine at verz.kbc.be  Tue Aug 20 13:42:46 2002
From: barbara.bracquine at verz.kbc.be (barbara.bracquine at verz.kbc.be)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:42:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] text + html into single e-mail message?
Message-ID: 

Hello,

We have been using Mailman for quite some time now. We use is both for
plain text and html newsletters. Now we would like to "marry" the text
version to the HTML version into a single e-mail message. Is that possible
using Mailman? If so, where can I find information about how to proceed?

Sincerely,

Barbara Bracquin?

KBC
NET - Internet & E-business
Brusselsesteenweg 100
3000 Leuven
Belgium

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From cliffdixon at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 20 17:06:42 2002
From: cliffdixon at earthlink.net (Cliff Dixon)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:06:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman
Message-ID: <3D625B02.11FACACC@earthlink.net>

I get the following message when I try to go to
http:/wwwservices.org/mailman/admin/tourismmaillist

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.9

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

I can't decipher from the error log what is wrong.

From leahc at us.ibm.com  Tue Aug 20 17:14:55 2002
From: leahc at us.ibm.com (Leah Cunningham)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:14:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems seeing recently added list in web interface
Message-ID: <20020820081455.F485@us.ibm.com>

Greetings,

I have not created a new mailing list in quite some time, so perhaps I
am forgetting something very obvious:

I created a new list using the newlist command, added the aliases to
/etc/aliases, and ran newaliases.  The server sent me the message
saying the list had been created, etc; however, if you go to the web
server, it does not show the new admin/list pages at all for the list
I created.  I tried restarting sendmail, apache, etc...  Am I
forgetting some step?

Sorry for what is probably a very basic question.  I am using 2.0.4 at
the moment.

Cheers,
Leah

PS:  Please cc me if you reply.

--
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at least two cows before he can wear cowboy boots in public.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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leahc at us.ibm.com                  |  SuSE Linux Specialist    
919.543.2861			  |   

From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 21 07:18:59 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:18:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
References: <00d101c2478b$95f6c940$bd552144@aberdn01.md.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3D6322C3.96C391B8@pcraft.com>

director at mywoman2woman.com wrote:

> I searched the FAQ and couldn?t find anything. My list was running fine and then Saturday it just stopped working. We?ve sent test after test with no luck. I would appreciate any assistance or advice you can offer. Thank you!!!!
>

    I doubt any FAQ would be able to tell you why your list stopped working.  Is there any chance you could look in your ~mailman/logs/error file and see if it's logging any errors?  Could you also verify that your crontask is still running?  Those are the very minimum you should start with to see if they shed any light on the problem.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 21 07:39:23 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:39:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman
References: <3D625B02.11FACACC@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3D63278B.605355C4@pcraft.com>

Cliff Dixon wrote:

> I can't decipher from the error log what is wrong.

    Could you quote the last error (or two) from your error log for us to see?  Perhaps someone else might be able to decipher it for you.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 21 07:41:19 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:41:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems seeing recently added list in web interface
References: <20020820081455.F485@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <3D6327FF.A8976254@pcraft.com>

Leah Cunningham wrote:

> I created a new list using the newlist command, added the aliases to
> /etc/aliases, and ran newaliases.  The server sent me the message
> saying the list had been created, etc; however, if you go to the web
> server, it does not show the new admin/list pages at all for the list
> I created.  I tried restarting sendmail, apache, etc...  Am I
> forgetting some step?

    Any chance your list might not be advertised?  (this is a configuration option by the way)

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

From anclo at anclo.com  Wed Aug 21 08:38:08 2002
From: anclo at anclo.com (Anclo)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 02:38:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the archives HTML pages
Message-ID: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>

Hello,

How can I edit the HTML of the archives pages?

Thanks for any help,

Anclo

From webmaster at frontierfleet.com  Wed Aug 21 13:16:36 2002
From: webmaster at frontierfleet.com (Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:16:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Admin Bouncing Loop
Message-ID: <034401c24904$369ed170$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>

Hello all,

I recently got a loop in mailman and I was wondering if someone else has
had the same problem and knows how to fix it?

It might also be a bug in the software of course, but I only found a
bugreport and for an old version of mailman, so unfortunately I could
not use that patch.

The loop started when the account of one of the two list administrators
was filled. This account was also on the list itself.
So what happened was that a message got send to the list. The account
was full, so the message bounced to the admin address. The message got
send to the two list admins, however one account was full, causing the
initial bouncing, and bounced the message again.... to the list admin
addy... so the message got send to the two list admins again, but....
well, this is were it is looping. Causing about three bounces per minute
to be received by the other admin whose account was still operational.

Right now the Mailman version is 2.0.10 with automatic bounce processing
turned off.

So, if anyone knows about or has had the same problem, then I am
interested in hearing the solution, if there is one.

Kind regards,

Guido

PS: Note to *this* list's administrator(s): You can discard the previous
message, I accidentally hit the Send button too early... my apologies..
:-(

From webmaster at frontierfleet.com  Wed Aug 21 13:32:31 2002
From: webmaster at frontierfleet.com (Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:32:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the archives HTML pages
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
Message-ID: <036c01c24906$702e5030$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>

> Hello,
>
> How can I edit the HTML of the archives pages?
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Anclo
>

Hi Anclo,

I've been looking for an answer to that question for a while, but the
only solution I could find was switching from the internal pipermail
archive to an external archive like MhonArc.

However, as that solution was not my favorite one, seeing I could not
figure out if and how this could done on a per list setting (only for
all lists mailman was running, which was not what I wanted), I ended up
writing a special PHP script that dynamically loaded the original
mailman archives and added a CSS stylesheet file, which adds another
look to the page. However, this script is completely customized for our
own usage... although I suppose changes could be made to make it a more
general script...

In each case, AFAIK the easiest way is setting up an external archiver.

I hope this answers your question sufficiently.... and if somebody knows
a better answer... feel free to correct me.

Kind regards,

Guido

From cemkboga at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 21 14:48:43 2002
From: cemkboga at yahoo.com (Cem Karabo�a)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 05:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] for textile
Message-ID: <20020821124843.58459.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

Iam studying textile in EGE ?niversity and I have a researchment about the effect of UV upon cotton fibre.(I also need general using of ultrsound)
I want learn which absorption spectra zone (?-? nm) we can use UV not damaging the fibre in bleaching,also I want to learn about using of ultrsound in textile especially in bleaching

Can you help me about it or can you give me mail adress the person who can help me? 
. 
I'd be a  grateful if you help me 

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Aug 21 17:06:44 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:06:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the archives HTML pages
In-Reply-To: <036c01c24906$702e5030$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821145848.040c5758@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 13:32 21/08/2002 +0200, Webmaster ST Frontier Fleet wrote:

> > Hello,
> >
> > How can I edit the HTML of the archives pages?
> >
> > Thanks for any help,
> >
> > Anclo
> >
>Hi Anclo,
>
>I've been looking for an answer to that question for a while, but the
>only solution I could find was switching from the internal pipermail
>archive to an external archive like MhonArc.
>
>However, as that solution was not my favorite one, seeing I could not
>figure out if and how this could done on a per list setting (only for
>all lists mailman was running, which was not what I wanted), I ended up
>writing a special PHP script that dynamically loaded the original
>mailman archives and added a CSS stylesheet file, which adds another
>look to the page. However, this script is completely customized for our
>own usage... although I suppose changes could be made to make it a more
>general script...
>
>In each case, AFAIK the easiest way is setting up an external archiver.
>
>I hope this answers your question sufficiently.... and if somebody knows
>a better answer... feel free to correct me.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Guido

With MM 2.1 the HTML template for the archived mail pages is in 
$prefix/template//article.html, where language is one of the 
number of languages supported by MM 2.1

You should be able to (carefully) edit this file to suit your needs.

If you absolutely have to use 2/0.x, then you'll have to change the string 
variable called article_template in $prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.

In all cases, your changes will affect all new archive article pages on 
your MM site.

Do not blame me if you get you editing wrong and your system bursts into 
flames!

Per Guido's response saying he wanted to achieve a per list look-and-feel 
this is entirely doable without resorting to PHP.

The archived mail pages generated from these templates always resides one 
directory level down from the list's archive directory 
$prefix/archives/private/.

You could put per list look and feel CSS and like the in that directory and 
refer to it in your modified HTML article template using relative URLs.

With some judicious use of CSS and Javascript I guess you could achieve 
quite a lot.

One problem is that after creating each new list you will must add your 
extras to its private archive directory. This is an all or nothing approach.

In general, this scheme would work best if all your lists had public archives.

The problem of relative addressing with a private archive is the requests 
for your list specific furniture are going end up being requested with URL 
paths of the form /mailman/private//. 
This means they will be served by the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py 
script. This script will do this OK but is a bit simple minded in figuring 
out the MIME type it returns in the Content-type: response header. The 
extra files you may want to have served, Javascript or CSS files for 
instance, will not have their mime types correctly reported.. You could 
substitute the following for the definition of the content_type function in 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py to resolve this potential problem:

import mimetypes

def content_type(path):
     mtype = mimetypes.guess_type(path)[0]
     if not type:
         mtype = 'application/octet-stream'
     return mtype

Use this 'advice' at your own risk!

From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Aug 21 17:23:35 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821145848.040c5758@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
        <5.1.0.14.2.20020821145848.040c5758@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <29530.155.41.10.1.1029943415.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

With all this discussion of archiving, I have to ask:  What does it say
about the developers' confidence in Mailman that this list isn't archived
by Mailman, but by an external service?  This is like when I was having
trouble setting up Mailman on Mac OS X, and then discovered that Apple
doesn't use Macs for its mail servers, it uses Sun computers.

It seems to me that if this list is archived externally, maybe I, too,
should look into that as an option. It also seems like this should be a
well-documented option, perhaps one recommended in the manual and install
files, if Mailman will continue to have sub-par archiving.

Am I missing something important?

Greg

From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 21 18:00:11 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:00:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Greg Westin"  
   of "Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:35 EDT." <29530.155.41.10.1.1029943415.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com> 
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020821145848.040c5758@pop.ftel.co.uk>  <29530.155.41.10.1.1029943415.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com> 
Message-ID: <24372.1029945611@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:35 -0400 (EDT) 
Greg Westin  wrote:

> With all this discussion of archiving, I have to ask: What does it say
> about the developers' confidence in Mailman that this list isn't
> archived by Mailman, but by an external service?  

The Mailman lists are archived at python.org using Pipermail, Mailman's
internal archiver.  They are also archived at various other external
sites which use various other tools.  Don't confuse the two.

> This is like when I was having trouble setting up Mailman on Mac OS X,
> and then discovered that Apple doesn't use Macs for its mail servers,
> it uses Sun computers.

As does Microsoft FWIW -- they just hide it better.

Also note that in Apple's case the Sun box in question is bigger than
any of the boxes that Apple currently makes and sells.  

> It seems to me that if this list is archived externally, maybe I, too,
> should look into that as an option. 

The internal archiver in mailman 2.1 is considerably more capable than
the archiver in Mailman 2.0.  It does not and likely never will match
the capability of external tools like MHonArc.  

If there's something you want from your archiver that Pipermail can't
offer, then investigate using an external archiver.  Otherwise look at
the archiver in v2.1.

I use an external archiver for my lists (see the FAQ for details) as I
want a variety of extra feature supports that Pipermail cannot offer (eg
replies from the web).  Other's find Pipermail's feature set quite
acceptable, especially in v2.1.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From drkrause at mindspring.com  Thu Aug 22 20:10:02 2002
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:10:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NAT translation problems?
Message-ID: <3D6528FA.7040409@mindspring.com>

Hello, a few subscribers with city and county government email addresses 
are complaining that our list mail is not getting to them. A peek at our 
mail logs confirms this. One of their system administrators noted that 
their server makes use of 'NAT translation', a concept new to me.

Has anyone else had this problem? (Is it indeed a mailman issue?) Are 
there any settings or workarounds to solve this?

Any help appreciated!

From mary.y.wang at boeing.com  Wed Aug 21 20:29:43 2002
From: mary.y.wang at boeing.com (Wang, Mary Y)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:29:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A long URL - 2 lines - second line is notclic
	kable.
Message-ID: <9C2F3AD0B86DC94B987EC4FB97C7A32405EEACA0@XCH-SW-08.sw.nos.boeing.com>

Hi,
I want to thank everyone who replied my question.  I will have to tell my
users the problem is really from the mail client - Outlook 2000 not from
Mailman. 

Mary 
(562) 797-1545

-----Original Message-----
From: G. Armour Van Horn [mailto:vanhorn at whidbey.com]
Sent: 20 August, 2002 8:44 PM
To: greg at gregwestin.com
Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] A long URL - 2 lines - second line is
notclickable.

Heaven knows I tried to make them break. My MUA in this case is Netscape
Messenger 4.78. At least it demonstrates that it
isn't Mailman messing them up! (Not to mention that Netscape is immune to
Klez.H.)

Van

Greg Westin wrote:

> All four of those links work, and none break into two lines.
>
> 
> > What happens when you send a really long link through the system? In
> > this case, I suspect that the line is broken before Mailman ever sees it
> > - it would be broken if you sent it to a standard mail client just the
> > same. But what you are sending is a text URL, not a link. The link the
> > reipient sees (that isn't working) is created by the recipient mail
> > client based on starting with http: and ending with whitespace.
> >
> > Here is your original URL, I've put it back on one line:
> >
http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18
_02.html
> >
> > Now, here it is again as a link:
> >
http://labtest.ca.boeing.com/~psim/NewRtPlatform/test_plate_form_notes.07_18
_02.html
> >
> > Unfortunately, that's behind a firewall and nobody outside The Kite
> > Factory will know if it worked again. Here is one that should be long
> > enough to break anything, based on all the URL encoding I used. First as
> > text:
> >
http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520
portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
> >
> > And now as a link:
> >
http://www.domainvanhorn.com/dropbox/copy%2520of%2520van%2527s%2520self%2520
portrait%2520in%2520the%2520bathroom.jpg
> >
> > I won't know until this goes through the system, but I suspect that all
> > four will be broken onto two lines, but that the linked versions will
> > still work. Maybe we'll all learn somethign at that point.
> >
> > It's a universal problem. As the number of documents on a server grows,
> > I think we're going to have to abandon the idea of having humans read
> > URLs for taxonomy - it leads to URLs that break in too many places.
> >
> > Van
> >

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From irwin at taranto.com  Wed Aug 21 20:33:22 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:33:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NAT translation problems?
In-Reply-To: <3D6528FA.7040409@mindspring.com>
References: <3D6528FA.7040409@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <200208211833.g7LIXM902616@taranto.com>

On Thursday 22 August 2002 11:10 am, Drew Krause wrote:
> Hello, a few subscribers with city and county government email addresses
> are complaining that our list mail is not getting to them. A peek at our
> mail logs confirms this. One of their system administrators noted that
> their server makes use of 'NAT translation', a concept new to me.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? (Is it indeed a mailman issue?) Are
> there any settings or workarounds to solve this?
>
> Any help appreciated!

Don't flame me for this perhaps over simplification.  NAT, Network Address 
Translation, is a technique whereby a single IP is distributed for use of 
multiple nodes on a network.   Commonly used on networks for putting nodes 
behind a firewall (IP Masquerading).

I don't know why they should have problems receiving email, I use NAT 
and don't have any problems.   Perhaps their addresses need a node name as 
part of the address.  In other words,  "someone at node.domain.com".

Irwin

From davin at pacifier.com  Wed Aug 21 20:40:36 2002
From: davin at pacifier.com (Davin Dahlgren)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe box
Message-ID: <003901c24942$583f5550$6501a8c0@DAVIN>

When I go to the Member Management web page, there is a box at the
bottom of the page for multiple subscribes. Is there an equivalent box
for multiple unsubscribes? If not, how hard would it be to create
something along these lines?

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From rhorer at swbell.net  Wed Aug 21 21:23:49 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NAT translation problems?
In-Reply-To: <3D6528FA.7040409@mindspring.com>
References: <3D6528FA.7040409@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <200208211423.49251.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Thursday 22 August 2002 13:10, Drew Krause wrote:
> Hello, a few subscribers with city and county government email
> addresses are complaining that our list mail is not getting to them.
> A peek at our mail logs confirms this. One of their system
> administrators noted that their server makes use of 'NAT
> translation', a concept new to me.

NAT stands for Network Address Translation.  Therefore, "NAT 
translation" is a redundant and incorrect term.  That aside, it is a 
scheme whereby one set of IP addresses is dynamically translated 
(usually by a firewall or firewall-like device) to another address or 
set of addresses and back again.  

For example, say machine A has an IP address of 192.168.1.5, machine B's 
address is 192.168.1.6, and machine F is the firewall.  Let's also say 
that F is configured to translate between 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.50.0.  
If A tries to browse www.python.org, it has to go through F to get to 
the Internet.  F translates A's address to something in the 
192.168.50/24 address space, for the sake of simplicity let's say it's 
192.168.50.5.  F then sends the address-translated packet on to its 
destination (www.python.org).  The destination has no way of knowing 
that the packet came from any address other than 192.168.50.5.  It 
sends a reply back, which F translates back to A's address and A 
eventually receives it.

Similarly, B might also try to browse www.python.org, and F might 
translate B's address to 192.168.50.6.  Or, F could translate B's 
address to the same 192.168.50.5 address to which A's was translated, 
in which case F would have to keep state information in order for 
returning packets to make their way back to the proper destination (A 
or B).

What I've explained above is greatly simplified in the interest of 
space.  For a more in-depth explanation of NAT, go to 
http://www.itp-journals.com/Network_address_translation_NAT_page1.htm.

> Has anyone else had this problem? (Is it indeed a mailman issue?)

It is not a Mailman issue per s?.  Mailman only works in conjunction 
with an MTA (mail transport agent) and an HTTP server.  If NAT is 
properly configured so that SMTP and HTTP pass to the proper 
destinations, Mailman should work.  From what you described, it sounds 
like the problem is on the government agency's end.

Kyle

From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Aug 21 22:00:25 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suddenly - a "bug"
Message-ID: <43199.155.41.10.1.1029960025.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

I just tried to add a new list, and when I went to the web interface, it
didn't work.  I can't figure out what has changed recently , except that I
repartitioned my hard drive, so I copied the info off and then replaced
it.

Can anyone suggest some things I can check?  I tried re-installing, which
didn't seem to work, though I could have done it wrong.

Nothing in my mailman log, but an entry in the apache error log shows that
it couldn't write to the mailman log for some reason.  It may not be a
good idea for me to publicly send out all the info from my server logs,
but ignorance is bliss.  The most recent entry from my apache error log is
below.  If you have any ideas for me, please help!

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.13 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/error'
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.2.1 (#1, Jul  9 2002, 12:10:44)
[GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
sys.path       = /usr/local
sys.platform   = darwin
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.26 (Darwin) PHP/4.2.2
        SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
        SERVER_ADMIN: greg at gregwestin.com
        SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
        SERVER_SIGNATURE: Apache/1.3.26 Server at
www.gregwestin.com Port 80

        REQUEST_METHOD: GET
        HTTP_HOST: lists.gregwestin.com
        SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
        QUERY_STRING:
        REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin
        HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
        HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
        HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
        SERVER_NAME: www.gregwestin.com
        REMOTE_ADDR: 155.41.10.1
        REMOTE_PORT: 36444
        HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
        __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING: 0x46:0:0
        SERVER_PORT: 80
        GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
        HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
        SERVER_ADDR: 140.247.133.60
        DOCUMENT_ROOT: /Library/WebServer/Documents

From sdaly at bivio.net  Wed Aug 21 22:48:02 2002
From: sdaly at bivio.net (Scott Daly)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:48:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when running 'qrunner'
Message-ID: <000a01c24954$0b86a850$8a02a8c0@corp.networkrobots.com>

These errors are written to the error log when 'qrunner' is run.

Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File "./qrunner", line 283, in ?
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File "./qrunner", line 253, in main
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File "./qrunner", line 157, in
dispose_message
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):      mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg)
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 123, in ParseMailCommands
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421):      precedence = msg.get('precedence',
'').lower()
Aug 21 12:07:09 2002 qrunner(15421): AttributeError :  'string' object has
no attribute 'lower'

sdaly

From G.H.J.Dorssers at webinteractive.nl  Wed Aug 21 13:12:15 2002
From: G.H.J.Dorssers at webinteractive.nl (G.H.J. Dorssers)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:12:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Admin Bouncing Loop
Message-ID: <031801c24903$9b949250$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>

Hello all,

I recently got a loop in mailman and I was wondering if someone else has
had the same problem and knows how to fix it?

It might also be a bug in the software of course, but I only found a
bugreport and for an old version of mailman, so unfortunately I could
not use that patch.

The loop started when the account of one of the two list administrators
was filled. This account was also on the list itself.
So what happened was that a message got send to the list. The account
was full, so the message bounced to the admin address. The message got
send to the two list admins, however one account was full, causing the
initial bouncing, and bounced the message again.... to the list admin
addy... so the message got send to the two list admins again, but....
well, this is were it is looping. Causing about three bounces per minute
to be received by the other admin whose account was still operational.

Right now the Mailman version is 2.0.10 with automatic bounce processing
turned off.

From leahc at us.ibm.com  Wed Aug 21 10:17:23 2002
From: leahc at us.ibm.com (Leah Cunningham)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:17:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems seeing recently added list in web interface
In-Reply-To: <3D6327FF.A8976254@pcraft.com>; from ashley@pcraft.com on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 11:41:19PM -0600
References: <20020820081455.F485@us.ibm.com> <3D6327FF.A8976254@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20020821011723.T485@us.ibm.com>

Ashley M. Kirchner (ashley at pcraft.com) [020820 18:17]:
> Leah Cunningham wrote:
> 
> > I created a new list using the newlist command, added the aliases to
> > /etc/aliases, and ran newaliases.  The server sent me the message
> > saying the list had been created, etc; however, if you go to the web
> > server, it does not show the new admin/list pages at all for the list
> > I created.  I tried restarting sendmail, apache, etc...  Am I
> > forgetting some step?
> 
>     Any chance your list might not be advertised?  (this is a configuration option by the way)

Actually, I just figured the problem out.  It was a strange
permissions issue.

Thanks :)
Leah

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From dmitri at arvid.ee  Wed Aug 21 21:25:42 2002
From: dmitri at arvid.ee (Dmitri Gofmekler)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:25:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to import the list-archive from a different format?
Message-ID: <1029957942.3d63e9367031c@secure.arvid.ee>

Hi,

A few years our small list was a simple email alias and list archives now 
stored in email client (Pegasus or Eudora).
Is there any possibility to import these archives into MailMan list archive?

Thanks.

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From dreiner at cymfony.com  Wed Aug 21 23:21:45 2002
From: dreiner at cymfony.com (Dustin Reiner)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:21:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue
Message-ID: 

Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high load.
The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a lot
of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
and 26% of memory).  I rebooted the server to reset the load average, and
everything worked fine once it came back up, except any email sent to
mailman lists.  I am using sendmail, and Mailman 2.0.12.  Emails sent to any
of the lists seem to *disappear*, i.e. no messages are returned to the user,
they are not queued for future delivery by sendmail, etc.  Any
help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 21 23:35:04 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:35:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue
References: 
Message-ID: <3D640788.11672461@pcraft.com>

Dustin Reiner wrote:

> Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
> list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high load.
> The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a lot
> of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
> and 26% of memory).

    Make sure Mailman is not running into an error with your lists and locking
up.  Check your ~mailman/logs/error file for any signs of trouble.

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From levine at cs.unm.edu  Wed Aug 21 23:44:18 2002
From: levine at cs.unm.edu (Scott Levine)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:44:18 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue
In-Reply-To: <3D640788.11672461@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: 

I've had problems with messages vanishing after reboots, too.  Mailman
puts lock files in "..../mailman/locks/"  I erased those, since the
process that was creating the need for them was gone, and almost
immediately got a flood of my queued messages.

--Scott.

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Dustin Reiner wrote:
> 
> > Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
> > list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high load.
> > The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a lot
> > of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
> > and 26% of memory).
> 
>     Make sure Mailman is not running into an error with your lists and locking
> up.  Check your ~mailman/logs/error file for any signs of trouble.
> 
> --
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> 

From dreiner at cymfony.com  Wed Aug 21 23:46:03 2002
From: dreiner at cymfony.com (Dustin Reiner)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:46:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue
In-Reply-To: <3D640788.11672461@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: 

The problem was actually explained by looking in the qrunner log.  It had
error "Could not acquire qrunner lock".  I removed the stale locks in the
locks directory, and it started sending out the backlogged mail.

Thanks for the help.
Dustin

-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:35 PM
To: Dustin Reiner
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue

Dustin Reiner wrote:

> Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to the
> list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high
load.
> The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a
lot
> of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90% CPU,
> and 26% of memory).

    Make sure Mailman is not running into an error with your lists and
locking
up.  Check your ~mailman/logs/error file for any signs of trouble.

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  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

From ckolar at imsa.edu  Wed Aug 21 23:55:13 2002
From: ckolar at imsa.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:55:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] turning off digests (2.1 b2)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821165240.02dba528@mail.imsa.edu>

Hi everyone.  I am running 2.1 b2 and have a quick question about 
digests.  I have a low-volume announcement list and some of the members are 
tagged as digest subscribers.  If I turn off the digest option in the 
digests options page will it convert them to individual email status, or 
will it somehow hurt or otherwise disable their membership?

I know, I should have had it turned off to begin with.  Thanks much,

--chris

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Wed Aug 21 23:58:02 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:58:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading to 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <24372.1029945611@kanga.nu>
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
        <5.1.0.14.2.20020821145848.040c5758@pop.ftel.co.uk>

        <29530.155.41.10.1.1029943415.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
        <24372.1029945611@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <36770.155.41.10.1.1029967082.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

While trying ot fix this problem of Mailman not working, I decided to
upgrade to 2.1b3.  I am, however, having some trouble.  I'm not sure why,
but I've had a number of different problems.  This is the most current.

I copied all my old files into the new home directory, chowned and chgrped
them all to mailman except the one file I saw that was different,
scripts/paths.pyc, and then configured the install.  That worked fine,
with the only message being that Chinese wasn't supported, or something
like that.  However, when I tried to make install, I got the following:

---
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
      from Mailman import Utils
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 46, in ?
      from Mailman import Site
ImportError: cannot import name Site
make: *** [update] Error 1
---

Can anyone help me with this?  Someone suggested for my earlier question
that I should run check_perms... it didn't work.

Thanks,

Greg

From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Aug 22 01:45:55 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:45:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML format messages
References: 
Message-ID: <3D642633.1CD76B40@pcraft.com>

    Kind request: Sending e-mail to the list is more than enough.  No need to
copy it to other people's e-mail addresses.  That just creates duplicate
e-mails.

Raghuveer Polavarapu wrote:

> Currently when a message in
> html format is posted to the a list, and when I try to look at the archives
> and look at the message I see all the header information (MIME contents etc)
> and I do not want this to happen, I just want to install something to strip
> out this stuff  and just post the actual text of the message.

    You're on your own with this.  Mailman will archive the full message, as
is.  If you need some message parsing capabilities, you'll need to use an
external archiving tool, combined with something like a MIME stripper or
something like that.

    Also keep in mind that not all email clients posts both the text/plain as
well as the text/html part.  Some ONLY post the text/html part.  Then what?  If
you strip that out, you'll end up with a blank message.  You have to treat this
process carefully.

    Good luck.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Aug 22 01:54:40 2002
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:54:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML format messages
In-Reply-To: <3D642633.1CD76B40@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <5BA539FA-B561-11D6-8DCD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>

On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 04:45  PM, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>
>     Kind request: Sending e-mail to the list is more than enough.  No 
> need to
> copy it to other people's e-mail addresses.  That just creates 
> duplicate
> e-mails.

(here we go again...)

Some of us prefer getting those duplicates. I filter list mail out of 
the way until I have time to read it. So if I'm in a discussion with 
someone, I want both copies, so I can continue the discussion without 
delays.

Trying to tell everyone else to do things a certain way is the wrong 
way to do this. If you want things a certain way, teach your client to 
give it to you that way. Don't try to make everyone remember who's 
preferences are what. You're in control of your machine, not theirs. 
(as I like to say, "I prefer all my email in HTML format, 18 point 
type, the font colored red. Please make sure you don't forget that, 
okay? it's important to me").

you're telling them to not do something prevents them from doing what 
*I* want done. Who wins here?

answer: fix your system to throw out duplicates, and don't try to make 
other people comform to your idea of "right".

chuq

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From wolf at wolfstream.net  Thu Aug 22 02:07:58 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:07:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML format messages
In-Reply-To: <5BA539FA-B561-11D6-8DCD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
References: <5BA539FA-B561-11D6-8DCD-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <200208211907.58103.wolf@wolfstream.net>

> (as I like to say, "I prefer all my email in HTML format, 18 point
> type, the font colored red. Please make sure you don't forget that,
> okay? it's important to me").
I prefer red and 20 point font, so please keep that in mind when mailing the 
list.
**nod**
:P

Usually I send messages directly to the list (whatever list the discussion is 
on), but c'mon.. It's like someone telling me "Don't use PGP to sign your 
messages, because I prefer no attatchments". Ridiculous

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Thu Aug 22 02:36:00 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:36:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug bite, again
Message-ID: <49587.140.247.133.60.1029976560.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

I managed to get Mailman 2.1b3 installed, by removing everything except
for my lists and archives folders (and maybe one or two other things -
but I definitely had to remove Mailman), then installing the new
version.  However, I'm still getting the 'bug' problem.  I'm pasting the
new error page below.  I can't figure out how to send it as HTML, so I'll
just cut and paste the text.  I checked check_perms, and it says there're
no
problems.  What else could this be?

Thank you,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

---

Bug in Mailman version 2.1b3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 68, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 52, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 41, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 56, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'

Python information:

Variable Value
sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Jul 9 2002, 12:10:44) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
sys.path /usr/local
sys.platform darwin

Environment variables:

Variable Value
PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.26 (Darwin) PHP/4.2.2
SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
SERVER_ADMIN greg at gregwestin.com
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/listinfo
SERVER_SIGNATURE
Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.gregwestin.com Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD GET
HTTP_HOST lists.gregwestin.com
HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
REQUEST_URI /mailman/listinfo
HTTP_ACCEPT
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,text/css,*/*;q=0.1
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.0)
Gecko/20020724
HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive
SERVER_NAME www.gregwestin.com
REMOTE_ADDR 140.247.133.60
REMOTE_PORT 49454
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, en;q=0.50
__CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING 0x46:0:0
SERVER_PORT 80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate, compress;q=0.9
SERVER_ADDR 140.247.133.60
DOCUMENT_ROOT /Library/WebServer/Documents

From greg at gregwestin.com  Thu Aug 22 03:11:09 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug fixed
In-Reply-To: <24372.1029945611@kanga.nu>
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
        <5.1.0.14.2.20020821145848.040c5758@pop.ftel.co.uk>

        <29530.155.41.10.1.1029943415.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
        <24372.1029945611@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <49248.140.247.133.60.1029978669.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

The 'bug' was fixed by chmod'ing all my log files to 660.  Is this
appropriate, or does this mean I don't have mailman set up correctly?

Thanks,

Greg

From edg at greenberg.org  Thu Aug 22 06:45:48 2002
From: edg at greenberg.org (Ed Greenberg)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 21:45:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Separate Subscribe/Unsubscribe addresses
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821214321.00b15bb8@imap.greenberg.org>

Mailman creates a -request address for each list, to which you send 
subscribe and unsubscribe messages (and others).

Some other mailing list systems offer separate addresses for subscribe and 
unsubscribe functions, as well as a request address.  It's easier for the 
beginner to deal with such addresses, especially when the list is moving 
from such a system to a mailman hosted system.

Has anybody implemented this in Mailman?

From greg at gregwestin.com  Thu Aug 22 07:34:48 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:34:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not connecting to MTA?
Message-ID: <49876.140.247.133.60.1029994488.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

After upgrading to 2.1b3, it seems that there's some problem with the
communication between Mailman and Postfix.  If I try sending an e-mail to
an admin of one of the lists, and watch the Postfix log, it records the
fact that the e-mail has been received and sent to the mail/mailman
script, but the script never sends an e-mail.  I think I set everything up
according to README.Postfix.  Does anyone know what the problem might be?

I also noticed that for some strange reason the defaults for
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST and DEFAULT_URL_HOST were set to my last name, which is
also a username on my computer.  I don't know why this would be, but I
noticed it when the membership management page wouldn't work, because the
links all referenced http://westin/mailman/...

I hope I didn't mess up this installation.

Thanks,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Aug 22 07:36:55 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:36:55 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Separate Subscribe/Unsubscribe addresses
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821214321.00b15bb8@imap.greenberg.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821214321.00b15bb8@imap.greenberg.org>
Message-ID: <20020822053655.GA16809@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Ed Greenberg  [20020822 07:45]: wrote:
> Mailman creates a -request address for each list, to which you send 
> subscribe and unsubscribe messages (and others).
> 
> Some other mailing list systems offer separate addresses for subscribe and 
> unsubscribe functions, as well as a request address.  It's easier for the 
> beginner to deal with such addresses, especially when the list is moving 
> from such a system to a mailman hosted system.
> 
> Has anybody implemented this in Mailman?

My understanding may not have been clear on this but I would try to alias
"such addresses" to the mailman aliases.

If I have mailman aliases like this:

geeks:                 "|/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanstripwrapper post geeks"
geeks-admin:           "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner geeks"
geeks-request:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd geeks"
geeks-owner:           geeks-admin

I'll try this:

old-system-subscribe:  geeks-request
old-system:            geeks

NB: Just my opinion. I may not be necessarily correct.

        cheers
       - wash 
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From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Aug 22 07:48:37 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:48:37 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] turning off digests (2.1 b2)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821165240.02dba528@mail.imsa.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020821165240.02dba528@mail.imsa.edu>
Message-ID: <20020822054837.GB16809@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Christopher Kolar  [20020822 00:57]: wrote:
> Hi everyone.  I am running 2.1 b2 and have a quick question about 
> digests.  I have a low-volume announcement list and some of the members are 
> tagged as digest subscribers.  If I turn off the digest option in the 
> digests options page will it convert them to individual email status, or 
> will it somehow hurt or otherwise disable their membership?
> 
> I know, I should have had it turned off to begin with.  Thanks much,
> 
> --chris

Why don't you put yourself into their shoes by creating a "test" user and play
with that?

-Wash

-- 
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Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: +254 2 313985-9  +254 2 313922         so I installed FreeBSD."   
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From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Aug 22 08:25:20 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:25:20 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe box
In-Reply-To: <003901c24942$583f5550$6501a8c0@DAVIN>
References: <003901c24942$583f5550$6501a8c0@DAVIN>
Message-ID: <20020822062520.GE16809@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Davin Dahlgren  [20020821 21:43]: wrote:
> When I go to the Member Management web page, there is a box at the
> bottom of the page for multiple subscribes. Is there an equivalent box
> for multiple unsubscribes? If not, how hard would it be to create
> something along these lines?

2.1b3 has that facility. Time has come for you to update??

Rgs

-Wash

-- 
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Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: +254 2 313985-9  +254 2 313922         so I installed FreeBSD."   
GSM: +254 72 743223   +254 733 744121       This sig is McQ!  :-)

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	A decision in your favor.

From wolf at wolfstream.net  Thu Aug 22 08:51:43 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Separate Subscribe/Unsubscribe addresses
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821214321.00b15bb8@imap.greenberg.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020821214321.00b15bb8@imap.greenberg.org>
Message-ID: <200208220151.43205.wolf@wolfstream.net>

On Wednesday 21 August 2002 11:45 pm, Ed Greenberg wrote:
> Some other mailing list systems offer separate addresses for subscribe and
> unsubscribe functions, as well as a request address.  It's easier for the
> beginner to deal with such addresses, especially when the list is moving
> from such a system to a mailman hosted system.
>
> Has anybody implemented this in Mailman?
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman        57 Aug 21 16:33 .qmail-mud2k-subscribe
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman        59 Aug 21 16:33 .qmail-mud2k-unsubscribe
(mailman at mirage 01:50:15):
that's from the latest beta
I haven't tested these addresses out, but I'd bet there's nothing wrong with 'em

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From john at io.com  Thu Aug 22 10:12:24 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 03:12:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings arrive with incorrect "To:" field
Message-ID: <20020822081224.GA13794@io.com>

  I've just set up a list, and everything is working peachy except for
one thing; when someone posts to the list, the To: field is getting
rewritten with a different domain.  For example, if I compose an email
addressed to "listname at lists.domain.com" and send it, everyone gets the
posting just fine, but when it is delivered, the To: field has the
address "listname at boxname.domain.com" instead.  At first I thought this
might be an MTA issue (in this case, sendmail), but after running some
tests with other addresses that are not getting rewritten, it looks like
the issue is with mailman.  I have configured DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and also
went into the web interface and set "Hostname this list prefers", but it
still happens.  What else can I configure and/or check to debug?

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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      The problem with pointing to the Nazis or the Gestapo
      exclusively is that it allows us the safety of saying,
     "Well, it happened just there, and only once, *we* could
                       never fall for that."

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From john at io.com  Thu Aug 22 13:16:51 2002
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 06:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postings arrive with incorrect "To:" field (Take 2)
Message-ID: <20020822111651.GB15472@io.com>

   Someone pointed out to me off-list that some mailers don't process
PGP/MIME messages properly, so I might want to send my request in a more
lowest-common-denominator format.  I apologize to those of you with
modern mailers (sorry, couldn't resist :p) that have to read this twice;
here it is in a text-only email:

  I've just set up a list, and everything is working peachy except for
one thing; when someone posts to the list, the To: field is getting
rewritten with a different domain.  For example, if I compose an email
addressed to "listname at lists.domain.com" and send it, everyone gets
the posting just fine, but when it is delivered, the To: field has the
address "listname at boxname.domain.com" instead.  At first I thought this
might be an MTA issue (in this case, sendmail), but after running some
tests with other addresses that are not getting rewritten, it looks like
the issue is with mailman.  I have configured DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and also
went into the web interface and set "Hostname this list prefers", but it
still happens.  What else can I configure and/or check to debug?

-- 
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       I really look with commiseration over the great body of
       my fellow citizens who, reading newspapers, live and die
       in the belief that they have known something of what has
                    been passing in their time.

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From janis at camp.lv  Thu Aug 22 16:14:02 2002
From: janis at camp.lv (janis at camp.lv)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:14:02 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] strange permissions
Message-ID: <1030025642.3d64f1aa892da@mail.camp.lv>

Hi!
I am using Linux From Scratch and I have some problems installing mailman. I 
have seen a lot of this-like posts and tried many solutions but non of them 
seem to work. So here is what I did:
>cat /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf|grep Group
>Group apache
I even created temporary cgi w command `touch /tmp/test` and it gave me result
>-rw-r--r--    1 apache   apache          0 Aug 19 23:26 test
just to be sure cgi is executed w user/group apache
>cat /etc/group|grep apache
>apache:x:102:

I am using postfix and installed separate alias file for mailman 
in /usr/local/mailman/alias as suggested in INSTALL
>cat /etc/postfix/main.cf|grep mailman
>alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/aliases

>-rwxrwsr-x    1 mailman  mailman       251 Aug 22 13:21 aliases

after that I did
>postalias /usr/local/mailman/aliases
>newaliases /usr/loca/mailman/aliases
so that mail delivery is done by user/group mailman

I created folder /usr/local/mailman
>drwxrwsr-x   18 root     mailman      4096 Aug 22 13:21 mailman

So this is setup....
>cat /etc/group|grep mailman
>mailman:x:1009:

>./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-cgi-gid=102 --with-mail-gid=1009
>make
>make install

>./mmsitepass
>./newlist tmp

>cat members.txt
>one at myhost.com
>two at myhost.com
>./add_members -n members.txt tmp

After this I can send messages to tmp at myhost.com and mailinglist works fine. So 
here is my problem: When I try to open http://www.myhost.com/mailman/admin I 
get "Bug in Mailman version 2.0.13\nWe're sorry, we hit a bug!...".
/logs/error doesn't say anything until I changed permissions to error from
>-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      7842 Aug 22 16:45 error
to
>-rw-rw-rw-    1 mailman  mailman      7842 Aug 22 16:45 error
and I got
>cat error
>...
>admin(25613):   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in 
__load
>admin(25613):     fp = open(dbfile)
>admin(25613): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission 
denied: '/usr/local/mailman/lists/tmp/config.db'
>...

>-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      2997 Aug 22 16:37 config.db

I understand, that this is a problem with apache and permissions, but I can't 
figure out what exactly have I done wrong. If cgi admin has suid permissions 
than config.db should be accessed with group mailman?

Info that may help:
>ls -la /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29530 Aug 22 13:06 admin
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29534 Aug 22 13:06 admindb
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29542 Aug 22 13:06 edithtml
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29542 Aug 22 13:06 handle_opts
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29542 Aug 22 13:06 listinfo
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29534 Aug 22 13:06 options
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29534 Aug 22 13:06 private
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29530 Aug 22 13:06 roster
>-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     29542 Aug 22 13:06 subscribe

>cat /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf|grep mailman
>    Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
>    ScriptAlias /mailman/       "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"

Any help would be greatly appreciated

From greg at gregwestin.com  Thu Aug 22 16:38:23 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:38:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't create lists from web interface
In-Reply-To: <1030025642.3d64f1aa892da@mail.camp.lv>
References: <1030025642.3d64f1aa892da@mail.camp.lv>
Message-ID: <29114.155.41.10.1.1030027103.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

I resolved the issue of e-mail not being sent to list admins by starting
mailmanctl, which I didn't know about.  In trying to create a test list to
make sure everything is working now, though, I discovered that the web
interface for creating new lists doesn't work.  I created a list earlier
from the command line, which worked, but it looks like something called by
the web interface is running as the cgi user, rather than mailman, and so
can't create archives.  Perhaps my permissions are incorrect?  Again,
check_perms doesn't report anything wrong, but I had a permissions problem
before that it didn't report, too.

I would think the problem is that somehow these scripts should be running
as mailman rather than under the cgi gid, or they won't create list files
with owner and group mailman.

Please help if you have any ideas.

Sincerely,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

---

Bug in Mailman version 2.1b3

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 82, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 176, in
process_request
    mlist.Create(listname, owner, pw, langs)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 422, in Create
    self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 351, in InitVars
    baseclass.InitVars(self)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 92, in
InitVars
    os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox'

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Python information:
Variable Value
sys.version 2.2.1 (#1, Jul 9 2002, 12:10:44) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
sys.executable /usr/local/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix /usr/local
sys.path /usr/local
sys.platform darwin

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Environment variables:
Variable Value
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/msword, */*
CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded
HTTP_REFERER  http://lists.gregwestin.com/mailman/create
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.26 (Darwin) PHP/4.2.2
PYTHONPATH  /usr/local/mailman
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create
SERVER_ADMIN  greg at gregwestin.com
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/create
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.26 Server at lists.gregwestin.com Port 80
REQUEST_METHOD  POST
HTTP_HOST  lists.gregwestin.com
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1
QUERY_STRING
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  no-cache
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/create
CONTENT_LENGTH  144
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive
SERVER_NAME  lists.gregwestin.com
REMOTE_ADDR  155.41.10.1
REMOTE_PORT  18800
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us
__CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING  0x46:0:0
SERVER_PORT  80
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
SERVER_ADDR  140.247.133.60
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /Library/WebServer/Documents

From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Thu Aug 22 18:28:19 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:28:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script Question!!!
Message-ID: <20020822162819.78584.qmail@web21308.mail.yahoo.com>

  Hi there!!!

    I have a trouble with mailing list that are more
than 3000 members, I?m using sync_members script to
update the list but it doesn?t do nothing with those
list.   I don?t have problems with list less than 3000
membres, i?m working with mm 2.1a2.

     Any ideas please????

     Thanks in advanced!!!!

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From demeler at bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu  Thu Aug 22 18:43:55 2002
From: demeler at bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:43:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
Message-ID: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu>

Hi,

I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always required
to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have mailing
lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post, non-subscribers
are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be 
automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any suggestions
on how to accomplish this?

Thanks, -Borries

From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Aug 22 19:00:30 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:00:30 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
In-Reply-To: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <20020822170030.GA58354@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Borries Demeler  [20020822 19:45]: wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always required
> to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have mailing
> lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post, non-subscribers
> are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be 
> automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any suggestions
> on how to accomplish this?

Search ther archives for "clear-requests" or.... lemme make life easier ;-)

Add this line to mailman's cron:

# Clear all unsub requests at 16.45
45 16 * * * /usr/local/bin/python2.2 -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/clear-requests listname

substitute "listname" with your list name.

The clear-requests is attached. Credit belongs to the person who wrote it, not me.

If you want explanation as to why it is run at that time, search the list archives.
I got it from there.

HTH

-Wash

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-------------- next part --------------
#! /usr/bin/env python

# We can use this and run it differently from the others - !/usr/local/bin/python

# I configured a list to accept messages from subscribers only
# so that unsubscribers' messages can be approved by admin manually.
# But these days some spammers started to send too many messages
# so deleting those messages takes quite time.
#
# Is there any way to configure mailman delete every messages
# from unsubscribers automatically and do not even notify it
# to the list admin?

# I use this script to do just that. Name it (clear_request) and put it in
# mailman cronjob.

# The default cron job for mailman most likely mails admins at 5pm about
# pending requests so you should run this script at 4:50pm or something.

# Written by Donal Hunt
# April 23rd 2001
#
# argv[1] should be the name of the list.

"""Clear pending administrative requests for a list

Usage:
    clear_requests listname

Where:

    listname
        The name of the Mailman list you want to clear
        pending requests from.  It must already exist.

"""

import sys
import os
import string
import getopt
import paths
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors
from Mailman import Message
from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog

def usage(status, msg=''):
    if msg:
        print msg
    print __doc__ % globals()
    sys.exit(status)

def main():
    try:
        ml = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
    except Errors.MMListError, e:
        usage(1, 'No such list: %s (%s)' % (listname, e))
    try:
        print 'No of Requests Pending: %s ' % ml.NumRequestsPending()
        print 'No of postings awaiting approval: %s ' % ml.GetHeldMessageIds()
        print 'No of subsciptions awaiting approval: %s ' % ml.GetSubscriptionIds()
        for i in ml.GetHeldMessageIds():
            ml.HandleRequest(i, 3)
        for i in ml.GetSubscriptionIds():
            ml.HandleRequest(i, 2, 'No subscription allowed - please mail %s' % ml.owner[0] )

        print 'No of Requests Pending: %s ' % ml.NumRequestsPending()
        ml.Save()
    finally:
        ml.Unlock()

main()

From irwin at taranto.com  Thu Aug 22 20:03:36 2002
From: irwin at taranto.com (irwin)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:03:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
In-Reply-To: <20020822170030.GA58354@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu> <20020822170030.GA58354@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <200208221803.g7MI3a812356@taranto.com>

On Thursday 22 August 2002 10:00 am, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
> * Borries Demeler  [20020822 19:45]: wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always required
> > to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have mailing
> > lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post, non-subscribers
> > are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be
> > automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any suggestions
> > on how to accomplish this?
>
> Search ther archives for "clear-requests" or.... lemme make life easier ;-)

Thanks from a lot of us for that post.

Irwin

From greg at gregwestin.com  Thu Aug 22 20:15:54 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:15:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
In-Reply-To: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <4256.155.41.10.1.1030040154.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

I haven't tried this out, but just looking at the settings available, you
should be able to do this without any extra scripts or cron jobs if you
upgrade to 2.1b3.  It adds lots of different options, including one that
specifies what to do with messages from non-members (Accept, Hold, Reject,
or Discard).

Greg

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always required
> to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have mailing
> lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post, non-subscribers
> are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be
> automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any suggestions
> on how to accomplish this?
>
> Thanks, -Borries
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From marius at agoron.com  Thu Aug 22 20:22:18 2002
From: marius at agoron.com (Marius Kirschner)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:22:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
In-Reply-To: <4256.155.41.10.1.1030040154.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c24a08$d94840a0$5ae9b5ce@quasi1>

Hmm, that setting (Accept, Hold, Reject, or Discard) is also available
in v2.0.12 under the "Bounce Options".

---Marius

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-
> admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Greg Westin
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:16 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
> 
> I haven't tried this out, but just looking at the settings available,
you
> should be able to do this without any extra scripts or cron jobs if
you
> upgrade to 2.1b3.  It adds lots of different options, including one
that
> specifies what to do with messages from non-members (Accept, Hold,
Reject,
> or Discard).
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always
required
> > to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have
mailing
> > lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post,
non-subscribers
> > are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be
> > automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any
suggestions
> > on how to accomplish this?
> >
> > Thanks, -Borries
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-
> users%40python.org/

From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Thu Aug 22 22:15:04 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:15:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman script!!!
Message-ID: <20020822201504.12336.qmail@web21302.mail.yahoo.com>

   Hi there!!!

      I have a touble with sync_members script, I have
some list over 3000 memebers and i want to update them
with the mailman script, but it doesn?t do nothing.  
I have other mailing list with less than 3000 members
and it works fine, I?m working with mm 2.1a2...

  Any ideas????  

  Thenks in advanced!!!!

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From khj at be.cs.appstate.edu  Thu Aug 22 23:29:15 2002
From: khj at be.cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 22 Aug 2002 17:29:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect Headers in Confirmation Email
Message-ID: 

[Sorry for the length of this, but wanted to supply enough details.]

Config:  RH7.3, mailman-2.0.11-1, python-1.5.2-38, python2-2.2-16
         (/mailman/ is running on machine "d.c.b.a")

For some reason, generated email addresses are incorrect in the
headers of confirmation letters sent to new subscribers.

Here's what some of the headers look like in a sample confirmation
letter. Errors are prepended with '*'s and puzzling lines with
a '?':

  From foobar-admin at d.c.b.a Thu Aug 22 16:43:18 2002
  Return-Path: 
  Received: from d.c.b.a (d.c.b.a [1.2.3.4])
          by c.b.a (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7MJlsJH389618
          for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:47:54 -0400 (EDT)
? Received: from d.c.b.a (d.c.b.a [127.0.0.1])
?         by d.c.b.a (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MJlvh16998
?         for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:47:57 -0400
  Message-ID: <20020822204321.17497.79986.Mailman at d.c.b.a>
* From: foobar-request at c.b.a
  To: user at c.b.a
* Reply-To: foobar-request at c.b.a
* Sender: foobar-admin at c.b.a
* Errors-To: foobar-admin at c.b.a
  X-BeenThere: foobar at d.c.b.a
  List-Help: 
  List-Post: 
  List-Subscribe: ,

  List-Id: a list for testing 'mailman' 
  List-Unsubscribe: ,

  List-Archive: 

I first noticed the problem when I attempted to "reply" to the
confirmation letter. The error is due to the improper Reply-To:
header ...

The Reply-To: looks like:

        Reply-To: foobar-request at c.b.a

instead of the correct:

        Reply-To: foobar-request at d.c.b.a

There *is* a machine with FQDN "c.b.a", but /mailman/ is running on
another machine whose FQDN is "d.c.b.a".  Strange!

I've checked on "c.b.a" for any "mailman" aliases and/or accounts, but
found nothing ...

Where is the Reply-To: (and other headers) generated?

Another thing I've noticed:  the confirmation letter contains the
following:

       We have received a request from 127.0.0.1 for subscription of
       your email address, ...

Seems odd that the address for "localhost" appears, no?  The Received:
headers above (marked with '?'s) also caught my attention in that host
"d.c.b.a" handles the letter twice: once for "localhost" and once for
"d.c.b.a".

I've done some web searching, but haven't found a solution.

Ideas?

Thanks!

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Computer Science Dept       www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
Appalachian State Univ
Boone, NC  28608  USA        

From polavarapur at convergent.com  Wed Aug 21 23:53:08 2002
From: polavarapur at convergent.com (Raghuveer Polavarapu)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:53:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling HTML format messages
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi guys
 I am trying to find out how to extend mailman to accept email messages
posted in HTML format, because a number of our clients and customers use
mail clients that send out email in html format. Currently when a message in
html format is posted to the a list, and when I try to look at the archives
and look at the message I see all the header information (MIME contents etc)
and I do not want this to happen, I just want to install something to strip
out this stuff  and just post the actual text of the message. COuld some one
please help me with this.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Scott Levine
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 5:44 PM
To: Ashley M. Kirchner
Cc: Dustin Reiner; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing issue

I've had problems with messages vanishing after reboots, too.  Mailman
puts lock files in "..../mailman/locks/"  I erased those, since the
process that was creating the need for them was gone, and almost
immediately got a flood of my queued messages.

--Scott.

--
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University of New Mexico Computer Science Department
levine at cs.unm.edu
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On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Dustin Reiner wrote:
>
> > Since I searched the archives to no avail, I am sending my question to
the
> > list.  Earlier today, sendmail began refusing connections due to high
load.
> > The load was caused by a mailman python process running and consuming a
lot
> > of CPU and memory resources (By a lot I mean it fluctuated from 8-90%
CPU,
> > and 26% of memory).
>
>     Make sure Mailman is not running into an error with your lists and
locking
> up.  Check your ~mailman/logs/error file for any signs of trouble.
>
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From dan.mick at sun.com  Thu Aug 22 00:24:30 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] turning off digests (2.1 b2)
Message-ID: <200208212224.g7LMOaqY025670@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

I believe they'll just stop getting messages, as there is now no
digest message to send them.

> Hi everyone.  I am running 2.1 b2 and have a quick question about 
> digests.  I have a low-volume announcement list and some of the members are 
> tagged as digest subscribers.  If I turn off the digest option in the 
> digests options page will it convert them to individual email status, or 
> will it somehow hurt or otherwise disable their membership?

From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Fri Aug 23 02:52:42 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:52:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
References: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu> <4256.155.41.10.1.1030040154.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <3D65875A.DCEB398A@whidbey.com>

Greg, (and other who have said similar things),

There's this tiny little problem with that suggestion. From the website link to
"Mailman 2.1 info" I find this:

Current Version

Version (2.1b2, released on 05-May-2002) is the current development release of
the next version of Mailman. Although, stable, it should not be used in
production environments. Instead, please use the latest stable release.

Since manually clearing these messages is hardly a problem for a test site, and
according to the developers this version isn't ready for a production site, the
upgrade doesn't solve a significant problem. I'd love to take advantage of 2.1,
but as one who too-quickly installed 2.0.12 and shut my lists down I'm waiting
until a week after the developers consider it ready to run.

Van

Greg Westin wrote:

> I haven't tried this out, but just looking at the settings available, you
> should be able to do this without any extra scripts or cron jobs if you
> upgrade to 2.1b3.  It adds lots of different options, including one that
> specifies what to do with messages from non-members (Accept, Hold, Reject,
> or Discard).
>
> Greg
>
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always required
> > to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have mailing
> > lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post, non-subscribers
> > are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be
> > automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any suggestions
> > on how to accomplish this?
> >
> > Thanks, -Borries
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

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From wolf at wolfstream.net  Fri Aug 23 00:47:09 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:47:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hmm
Message-ID: <200208221747.09408.wolf@wolfstream.net>

is it just me or, in the beta is mail to list-owner at lmy.domain.com being sent out twice?

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From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Fri Aug 23 00:43:24 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:43:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!!!
Message-ID: <20020822224324.56089.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com>

   I?m using the sync_members script to update mailing
list, but in some list over 3000 members it doesn?t do
nothing, in others mailing list less than 3000 it
works fine....i?m using mm 1.2a1....what can i do????

    Thanks!!!

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Aug 23 11:11:38 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:11:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
In-Reply-To: <004f01c24a08$d94840a0$5ae9b5ce@quasi1>
References: <4256.155.41.10.1.1030040154.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823100708.02d2c590@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:22 22/08/2002 -0400, Marius Kirschner wrote:
>Hmm, that setting (Accept, Hold, Reject, or Discard) is also available
>in v2.0.12 under the "Bounce Options".
>
>---Marius

But that is for what do do about bounces not what to do with disallowed 
postings.

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-
> > admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Greg Westin
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:16 PM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
> >
> > I haven't tried this out, but just looking at the settings available,
>you
> > should be able to do this without any extra scripts or cron jobs if
>you
> > upgrade to 2.1b3.  It adds lots of different options, including one
>that
> > specifies what to do with messages from non-members (Accept, Hold,
>Reject,
> > or Discard).
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always
>required
> > > to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have
>mailing
> > > lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post,
>non-subscribers
> > > are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be
> > > automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any
>suggestions
> > > on how to accomplish this?
> > >
> > > Thanks, -Borries
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > > Searchable Archives:
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users mailing list
> > Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-
> > users%40python.org/
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Aug 23 11:19:27 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:19:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically reject - how?
In-Reply-To: <3D65875A.DCEB398A@whidbey.com>
References: <200208221643.g7MGht5F015216@bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu>
 <4256.155.41.10.1.1030040154.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020823101658.02d18440@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Your first stop for uptodate Mailman things is 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/

At 17:52 22/08/2002 -0700, G. Armour Van Horn wrote:
>Greg, (and other who have said similar things),
>
>There's this tiny little problem with that suggestion. From the website 
>link to
>"Mailman 2.1 info" I find this:
>
>Current Version
>
>Version (2.1b2, released on 05-May-2002) is the current development release of
>the next version of Mailman. Although, stable, it should not be used in
>production environments. Instead, please use the latest stable release.
>
>Since manually clearing these messages is hardly a problem for a test 
>site, and
>according to the developers this version isn't ready for a production 
>site, the
>upgrade doesn't solve a significant problem. I'd love to take advantage of 
>2.1,
>but as one who too-quickly installed 2.0.12 and shut my lists down I'm waiting
>until a week after the developers consider it ready to run.
>
>Van
>
>Greg Westin wrote:
>
> > I haven't tried this out, but just looking at the settings available, you
> > should be able to do this without any extra scripts or cron jobs if you
> > upgrade to 2.1b3.  It adds lots of different options, including one that
> > specifies what to do with messages from non-members (Accept, Hold, Reject,
> > or Discard).
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I was wondering how I could set up mailman so I am not always required
> > > to manually delete or reject messages held for approval. I have mailing
> > > lists set up such that subscribers are allowed to post, non-subscribers
> > > are not. I monitor who subscribes. If a spammer posts, it should be
> > > automatically rejected. Now I have to do this manually. Any suggestions
> > > on how to accomplish this?
> > >
> > > Thanks, -Borries

From greg at gregwestin.com  Fri Aug 23 15:58:03 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:58:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix as MTA in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <036c01c24906$702e5030$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
        <036c01c24906$702e5030$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>
Message-ID: <17227.155.41.10.1.1030111083.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

I didn't receive any response to my post about the web form for adding
lists not working, but I'm still wondering what the problem could be.  I
still have a feeling that it has to do with the fact that the script is
running as the cgi-gid, rather than as mailman.  When I reinstalled,
without any of my old lists or settings, and tried again, it worked. 
However, once I set MTA to 'Postfix', it failed again, with the key line
(I think) being:

---
RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/bin/postalias
/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
---

So what is going on here?  Does anyone else have Postfix working with
Mailman 2.1b3?  Could you send me your mm_cfg.py file?  This is very
frustrating.

Thank you,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

From Jeremy at carcharias.net  Fri Aug 23 22:19:30 2002
From: Jeremy at carcharias.net (Jeremy van Doorn)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:19:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem
Message-ID: <3D34D2E428FCF1429C1FA73A6A5D69F5026EC2@shark.intra.carcharias.net>

Hi everyone,

I have a problem running Mailman.
I've got the program running for about a month now on a redhat 7.3
system and everything was going fine. Untill now.

I had to reboot my system and when it came up, the mailinglist was not
functioning anymore. When I try to login to the admin page, I get the
page where I can enter the password, but when I enter it, it just hangs
... the bars in the bottom-right of the browser is still moving, but
nothing happens. When I enter an incorrect password, I do get an error
back indicating that the password was incorrect.

E-mails to the mailinglist are also no longer being distributed ...

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!

Jeremy van Doorn

[  Member of Carcharias Networks  ]
[  Email : jeremy at carcharias.net  ]
[ Web : http://www.carcharias.net ] 

From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Aug 23 22:22:27 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:22:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Problem
References: <3D34D2E428FCF1429C1FA73A6A5D69F5026EC2@shark.intra.carcharias.net>
Message-ID: <3D669983.F3739649@pcraft.com>

Jeremy van Doorn wrote:

> it just hangs
>
> E-mails to the mailinglist are also no longer being distributed ...

    You may have a stale lock.  Look in ~mailman/locks and remove it.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

From Jeremy at carcharias.net  Fri Aug 23 23:00:00 2002
From: Jeremy at carcharias.net (Jeremy van Doorn)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:00:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional info on previous mail
Message-ID: <3D34D2E428FCF1429C1FA73A6A5D69F5026EC7@shark.intra.carcharias.net>

Here is some more information I just discovered on my problem where mail
is no longer being sent and I'm unable to login to the administrative
webpage.

When I do a strace -f -p " I get the following
output (continuously)? I hope this tells you guys a little more..

old_mmap(NULL, 1765376, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x4074d000
munmap(0x408fc000, 1765376)             = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1765376, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x408fc000
munmap(0x4074d000, 1765376)             = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1765376, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x4074d000
munmap(0x408fc000, 1765376)             = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1765376, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x408fc000
munmap(0x4074d000, 1765376)             = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1765376, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x4074d000
munmap(0x408fc000, 1765376)             = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1765376, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x408fc000
munmap(0x4074d000, 1765376)             = 0

Also, when I do a ps-ef I see that the qrunner process is taking up a
lot of cpu time. I have no idea what to do about this, so please help
me!

My qrunner logfile is now also filling with these messages!

Aug 23 22:55:04 2002 (1417) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Aug 23 22:56:02 2002 (1487) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Aug 23 22:56:02 2002 (1486) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Aug 23 22:57:02 2002 (1496) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Aug 23 22:57:03 2002 (1495) Could not acquire qrunner lock

Again.... thank you for any help!

Jeremy van Doorn

[  Member of Carcharias Networks  ]
[  Email : jeremy at carcharias.net  ]
[ Web : http://www.carcharias.net ] 

From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Aug 23 23:10:00 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 15:10:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Additional info on previous mail
References: <3D34D2E428FCF1429C1FA73A6A5D69F5026EC7@shark.intra.carcharias.net>
Message-ID: <3D66A4A8.9CE62013@pcraft.com>

Jeremy van Doorn wrote:

> Aug 23 22:55:04 2002 (1417) Could not acquire qrunner lock

    You have a (or several) stale lock files.  Remove them.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

From vkn at kingbarnes.com  Fri Aug 23 23:23:07 2002
From: vkn at kingbarnes.com (VKN)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:23:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How2 Transfer List
In-Reply-To: <20020823203403.27624.99332.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020823203403.27624.99332.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: 

Thanx for the welcome to the list.

I am sort of a neophyte and will need lots of help to
get on board.

Please be patient.

I am changing servers and would like  to know how to transfer
my mailman mailing list  with 180 subscribers from the
current server to the new. location?

Valencia
Mac user
OS 9.2
Eudora 5.1
www.KingBarnes.com

From greg at gregwestin.com  Fri Aug 23 23:37:49 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 17:37:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How2 Transfer List
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20020823203403.27624.99332.Mailman@mail.python.org>

Message-ID: <55904.140.247.133.60.1030138669.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Do you have mailman installed on the new server?  It seems to me like you
could just ditto the entire mailman directory over.  Of course, you'd
still have to set up other things involved in the mailman install, but
that'll get the list and the archives and whatnot.

If anyone knows why that wouldn't work, please let us know.

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

> Thanx for the welcome to the list.
>
> I am sort of a neophyte and will need lots of help to
> get on board.
>
> Please be patient.
>
> I am changing servers and would like  to know how to transfer
> my mailman mailing list  with 180 subscribers from the
> current server to the new. location?
>
> Valencia
> Mac user
> OS 9.2
> Eudora 5.1
> www.KingBarnes.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Sat Aug 24 00:04:52 2002
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 00:04:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix as MTA in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <17227.155.41.10.1.1030111083.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
        <036c01c24906$702e5030$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>
        <17227.155.41.10.1.1030111083.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <33152.80.103.119.249.1030140292.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>

>
> ---
> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/bin/postalias
> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
> ---
>
> So what is going on here?  Does anyone else have Postfix working with
> Mailman 2.1b3?  Could you send me your mm_cfg.py file?  This is very
> frustrating.
I hit that after installing 2.1b3. It is a permissions problem, but I cant
remember the path I took to solove it, please check this set of
permissions:/usr/local/mailman/data

drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 ago 11 18:08 .
drwxrwsr-x   20 mailman  mailman      4096 ago 11 18:09 ..
-rw-r-----    1 root     mailman        41 ago 10 17:52 adm.pw
-rw-rw----    1 root     mailman      2748 ago 10 18:36 aliases
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 ago 10 18:36 aliases.db

with this set, I can create lists through the web without problems.

-- 
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Manager
Central Computing Facility
University of Malaga
SPAIN

From greg at gregwestin.com  Sat Aug 24 00:44:11 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:44:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix as MTA in 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <33152.80.103.119.249.1030140292.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>
References: <3183.209.195.180.3.1029911888.squirrel@mirror.3dresearch.com>
        <036c01c24906$702e5030$0500a8c0@campus.tue.nl>
        <17227.155.41.10.1.1030111083.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
        <33152.80.103.119.249.1030140292.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>
Message-ID: <56451.140.247.133.60.1030142651.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

My problems have been solved (at least this one... I hope I didn't mess
anything else up) by doing the following:

1.  Changing to the permissions Victoriano shows below.  I hope those are OK?

2.  Chmod'ing the private archives folder to allow group write access.
(g+w)  I hope this is OK?

I think everything's in order now!  I wonder why check_perms doesn't check
for this sort of thing, though...

Thanks for your help,

Greg

>>
>> ---
>> RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/bin/postalias
>> /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted)
>> ---
>>
>> So what is going on here?  Does anyone else have Postfix working with
>> Mailman 2.1b3?  Could you send me your mm_cfg.py file?  This is very
>> frustrating.
> I hit that after installing 2.1b3. It is a permissions problem, but I
> cant remember the path I took to solove it, please check this set of
> permissions:/usr/local/mailman/data
>
> drwxrwsr-x    2 root     mailman      4096 ago 11 18:08 .
> drwxrwsr-x   20 mailman  mailman      4096 ago 11 18:09 ..
> -rw-r-----    1 root     mailman        41 ago 10 17:52 adm.pw
> -rw-rw----    1 root     mailman      2748 ago 10 18:36 aliases
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman     12288 ago 10 18:36 aliases.db
>
> with this set, I can create lists through the web without problems.
>
> --
> Victoriano Giralt
> Systems Manager
> Central Computing Facility
> University of Malaga
> SPAIN

From greg at gregwestin.com  Sat Aug 24 01:44:42 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:44:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix-style virtual domains
Message-ID: <56664.140.247.133.60.1030146282.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

I'm trying to set up mailman with Postfix-style virtual domains, but can't
get it working.  Rather, Mailman is working fine with the first domain,
but the others don't write their aliases to data/virtual-mailman, but to
data/aliases.  Therefore, I can't create, for example, a 'test' list on
both lists.default.dom and on lists.dom2.ain.  The stuff in my mm_cfg file
is below.  I originally tried it without using VIRTUAL_HOST or
VIRTUAL_HOSTS or add_virtualhost for the non-default domains, which didn't
work.  Adding either VIRTUAL_HOST or VIRTUAL_HOSTS entries caused errors -
in the case of VIRTUAL_HOSTS, a low-level error that couldn't generate a
traceback.

In my Postfix 'virtual' file, I have both domx.ain and lists.domx.ain
defined.  Mail to users I've defined at domx.ain (or to non-defined users,
because I set up an '@domx.ain' entry for each) is delivered properly,
while mail to @lists.domx.ain addresses is not, because I haven't created
any entries for such addressess (I intend them only to be for mailing
lists).

Please let me know if you've set up virtual domains in Postfix, and if you
can tell me how to do it.  Oh yes, and no data/virtual-mailman file
existed on my computer, so I created one and gave it the same permissions
as data/aliases.

Thank you again,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

---
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'default.dom'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.default.dom'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
DEFAULT_URL = DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % DEFAULT_URL_HOST
MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 0
DEFAULT_ADMIN_IMMED_NOTIFY = 0
DEFAULT_ADMIN_NOTIFY_MCHANGES = 1
DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0
DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 1
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.dom1.ain', 'lists.dom2.ain']
POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/local/bin/postalias'
POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/local/bin/postmap'

#VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.dom1.ain', 'lists.dom2.ain'}
add_virtualhost('lists.dom1.ain')
#VIRTUAL_HOST['lists.dom1.ain']
add_virtualhost('lists.dom2.ain')
#VIRTUAL_HOST['lists.dom2.ain']
---

From vkn at kingbarnes.com  Sat Aug 24 02:46:31 2002
From: vkn at kingbarnes.com (VKN)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How2 Transfer List
Message-ID: 

Thanx for your response.
Yes mailman is already installed on the new server.

At 5:37 PM -0400 8/23/02, Greg Westin wrote:

Do you have mailman installed on the new server?  It seems to me like you
could just ditto the entire mailman directory over.  Of course, you'd
still have to set up other things involved in the mailman install, but
that'll get the list and the archives and whatnot.

If anyone knows why that wouldn't work, please let us know.

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

Thanx for the welcome to the list.

I am sort of a neophyte and will need lots of help to
get on board.

Please be patient.

I am changing servers and would like  to know how to transfer
my mailman mailing list  with 180 subscribers from the
current server to the new. location?

Valencia
Mac user
OS 9.2
Eudora 5.1
www.KingBarnes.com

From greg at gregwestin.com  Sat Aug 24 02:49:29 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:49:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How2 Transfer List
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20020823203403.27624.99332.Mailman@mail.python.org>

        <55904.140.247.133.60.1030138669.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Message-ID: <56824.140.247.133.60.1030150169.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Ok, well, if it's already installed, then you don't want to overwrite it. 
Shouldn't you just be able to copy the archives for that particular list
and the folder from within the 'lists' folder, and then add the
appropriate aliases to the existing aliases file?  (I don't remember if
2.0.x has genaliases, but that should work in 2.1)

Greg

> Thanx for your response.
> Yes mailman is already installed on the new server.
>
> At 5:37 PM -0400 8/23/02, Greg Westin wrote:
>
> Do you have mailman installed on the new server?  It seems to me like
> you could just ditto the entire mailman directory over.  Of course,
> you'd still have to set up other things involved in the mailman install,
> but that'll get the list and the archives and whatnot.
>
> If anyone knows why that wouldn't work, please let us know.
>
> Greg Westin
> greg at gregwestin.com
>
> 
> Thanx for the welcome to the list.
>
> I am sort of a neophyte and will need lots of help to
> get on board.
>
> Please be patient.
>
> I am changing servers and would like  to know how to transfer
> my mailman mailing list  with 180 subscribers from the
> current server to the new. location?
>
> Valencia
> Mac user
> OS 9.2
> Eudora 5.1
> www.KingBarnes.com

From greg at gregwestin.com  Sat Aug 24 04:38:03 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:38:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How2 Transfer List
In-Reply-To: <56824.140.247.133.60.1030150169.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
References: <20020823203403.27624.99332.Mailman@mail.python.org>

        <55904.140.247.133.60.1030138669.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

        <56824.140.247.133.60.1030150169.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <57044.140.247.133.60.1030156683.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

A related link I found in the archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/msg11529.html

> Ok, well, if it's already installed, then you don't want to overwrite
> it.  Shouldn't you just be able to copy the archives for that particular
> list and the folder from within the 'lists' folder, and then add the
> appropriate aliases to the existing aliases file?  (I don't remember if
> 2.0.x has genaliases, but that should work in 2.1)
>
> Greg
>
> 
>> Thanx for your response.
>> Yes mailman is already installed on the new server.
>>
>> At 5:37 PM -0400 8/23/02, Greg Westin wrote:
>>
>> Do you have mailman installed on the new server?  It seems to me like
>> you could just ditto the entire mailman directory over.  Of course,
>> you'd still have to set up other things involved in the mailman
>> install, but that'll get the list and the archives and whatnot.
>>
>> If anyone knows why that wouldn't work, please let us know.
>>
>> Greg Westin
>> greg at gregwestin.com
>>
>> 
>> Thanx for the welcome to the list.
>>
>> I am sort of a neophyte and will need lots of help to
>> get on board.
>>
>> Please be patient.
>>
>> I am changing servers and would like  to know how to transfer
>> my mailman mailing list  with 180 subscribers from the
>> current server to the new. location?
>>
>> Valencia
>> Mac user
>> OS 9.2
>> Eudora 5.1
>> www.KingBarnes.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From greg at gregwestin.com  Sat Aug 24 04:55:08 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:55:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix-style virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <56664.140.247.133.60.1030146282.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
References: <56664.140.247.133.60.1030146282.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <57138.140.247.133.60.1030157708.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Looking through the archives, I can't find anyone that has detailed a way
to create two lists with the same name on two Postfix virtual domains. 
Ok, I probably wouldn't need that, anyways, but I still have the problem
of my new lists not being written to virtual-mailman.  I tried both via
the web interface and using newlist, naming the list
test at lists.virtualdom.ain

Can anyone direct me to information about this?  Does anyone have Postfix
virtual domains set up properly, to tell me how to do it?

Thanks,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

> I'm trying to set up mailman with Postfix-style virtual domains, but
> can't get it working.  Rather, Mailman is working fine with the first
> domain, but the others don't write their aliases to
> data/virtual-mailman, but to data/aliases.  Therefore, I can't create,
> for example, a 'test' list on both lists.default.dom and on
> lists.dom2.ain.  The stuff in my mm_cfg file is below.  I originally
> tried it without using VIRTUAL_HOST or
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS or add_virtualhost for the non-default domains, which
> didn't work.  Adding either VIRTUAL_HOST or VIRTUAL_HOSTS entries caused
> errors - in the case of VIRTUAL_HOSTS, a low-level error that couldn't
> generate a traceback.
>
> In my Postfix 'virtual' file, I have both domx.ain and lists.domx.ain
> defined.  Mail to users I've defined at domx.ain (or to non-defined
> users, because I set up an '@domx.ain' entry for each) is delivered
> properly, while mail to @lists.domx.ain addresses is not, because I
> haven't created any entries for such addressess (I intend them only to
> be for mailing lists).
>
> Please let me know if you've set up virtual domains in Postfix, and if
> you can tell me how to do it.  Oh yes, and no data/virtual-mailman file
> existed on my computer, so I created one and gave it the same
> permissions as data/aliases.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Greg Westin
> greg at gregwestin.com
>
> ---
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'default.dom'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.default.dom'
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST,DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/'
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST
> DEFAULT_URL = DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % DEFAULT_URL_HOST
> MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
> DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE = 0
> DEFAULT_ADMIN_IMMED_NOTIFY = 0
> DEFAULT_ADMIN_NOTIFY_MCHANGES = 1
> DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0
> DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 1
> MTA = 'Postfix'
> POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['lists.dom1.ain', 'lists.dom2.ain']
> POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/local/bin/postalias'
> POSTFIX_MAP_CMD = '/usr/local/bin/postmap'
>
> #VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'lists.dom1.ain', 'lists.dom2.ain'}
> add_virtualhost('lists.dom1.ain')
> #VIRTUAL_HOST['lists.dom1.ain']
> add_virtualhost('lists.dom2.ain')
> #VIRTUAL_HOST['lists.dom2.ain']
> ---
>
>
>
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> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From wash at wananchi.com  Sat Aug 24 09:01:54 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:01:54 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix-style virtual domains
In-Reply-To: <57138.140.247.133.60.1030157708.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
References: <56664.140.247.133.60.1030146282.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com> <57138.140.247.133.60.1030157708.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <20020824070154.GE75474@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Greg Westin  [20020824 05:56]: wrote:
> Looking through the archives, I can't find anyone that has detailed a way
> to create two lists with the same name on two Postfix virtual domains. 
> Ok, I probably wouldn't need that, anyways, but I still have the problem
> of my new lists not being written to virtual-mailman.  I tried both via
> the web interface and using newlist, naming the list
> test at lists.virtualdom.ain
> 
> Can anyone direct me to information about this?  Does anyone have Postfix
> virtual domains set up properly, to tell me how to do it?

Unrelated though, I was looking at a situation like yours but with Exim.
I haven't pursued it to completion. In fact I haven't even started, but I
did finf the following notes by Barry which I hope can point you in the
right direction:

http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/VirtualHosting

It would (IMO) appear that the setup would be a lot easier if you virtualised
everything, even your primary domain, because then everything is at the same
level.

        cheers
       - wash 
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From markgill at GreatBooks.Org  Sat Aug 24 15:35:36 2002
From: markgill at GreatBooks.Org (Mark Gillingham)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 08:35:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members script
Message-ID: 

The admin membership web screen notes the total number of members in a
list. How can I access the script the calculates this total for my own
use? I've looked through some of Mailman directories looking for
"scripts" but have not found what I need. Ideas? 

Mark

From posel at inf.fu-berlin.de  Sat Aug 24 15:48:09 2002
From: posel at inf.fu-berlin.de (Johannes Posel)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:48:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in *eMail* rejecting a moderation request?
Message-ID: <18515208879.20020824154809@inf.fu-berlin.de>

Dear Mailman-users,

I'm running Mailman 2.1b3, and it works fine after a few install
headaches ;)  My MTA is Exim v3.36, and I've set it up according to
README.EXIM.

Now, a list moderator got an approval request[1] for a message held in
the mod queue, which had inside these instructions as well[2]. The
subject was "confirm ..." with some sort of code in it. He wanted to
try it, but got only an error back:

> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
> original message.
> 
> - Results:
>     Invalid confirmation string.  Note that confirmation strings expire
> approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request.  If your
> confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your original request or
> message.
> 
> - Unprocessed:
>     > If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
>     > Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
>     > spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
>     > with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
>     > to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
>     > of the body of the reply.
> - Done.

Is this some kind of bug or error in my setup? As he rightly points
out, if Mailman provides him with an eMail based moderation, he'd
really want to use it.

Thanks for any input!

Cheers,
 Johannes                            mailto:posel at inf.fu-berlin.de

[1]

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    Cafe at xyz
    From:    somebody at someplace.tld
    Subject: Hi
    Reason:  Posts by member are currently quarantined for moderation

At your convenience, visit:

    http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/admindb/cafe

to approve or deny the request.

[2]

If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.

From wash at wananchi.com  Sat Aug 24 16:29:22 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 17:29:22 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on multiple machines
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20020824142922.GB3811@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Evan N McNabb  [20020821 08:27]: wrote:
> 
> We've been using mailman for quite some time and it has worked very well. 
> Just a question out of curiosity, is it possible to have the web 
> interface on one machine and the back-end scripts and sendmail on another? 

Are you thinking NFS and it's security issues??

-Wash

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From deanna at freeshell.org  Sat Aug 24 17:04:22 2002
From: deanna at freeshell.org (Deanna Phillips)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:04:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Number of members script
References: 
Message-ID: 

"Mark Gillingham"  writes:

> The admin membership web screen notes the total number of members in a
> list. How can I access the script the calculates this total for my own
> use? I've looked through some of Mailman directories looking for
> "scripts" but have not found what I need. Ideas? 

You could use the list_members program, which is located in the
bin/ directory of your Mailman installation.  Most of the
programs in this directory are python scripts that you can open
up in a text editor and investigate.

Something like:

$ /home/mailman/bin/list_members mylist | wc -l

Will give you the total members in a list called 'mylist'.

-- 
deanna

From mostro at mac.com  Sun Aug 25 04:16:06 2002
From: mostro at mac.com (Jose Antonio Lopez Arquelladas)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:16:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail error
Message-ID: <9CDCC6B4-B7D0-11D6-A007-000393462BB8@mac.com>

i do that---> "root# bin/check_perms -f"

and I get this!!:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/check_perms", line 331, in ?
     checkmta()
   File "bin/check_perms", line 266, in checkmta
     __import__(modname)
ImportError: No module named sendmail

:(((.

What I can do???. Thank you in advance.

From david at gitman.net  Sun Aug 25 05:34:08 2002
From: david at gitman.net (David Gitman)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:34:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error after RPM upgrade
Message-ID: <004b01c24be8$455cf110$1401a8c0@ack>

I'm receiving the following error after The Red Hat Updater upgraded
Mailman to the 2.0.13 RPM. Any ideas on why? 

[-d]

-----Original Message-----
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON at syn.gitman.net] 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 6:01 PM
To: postmaster at syn.gitman.net
Subject: Postmaster notify: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:01:08 GMT
from localhost
with id g7OM18L03259

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner Workhouse-publicity"
    (reason: 1)
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Mailman error: mailowner got bad listname: Workhouse-publicity
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
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From timte878 at student.liu.se  Sun Aug 25 23:52:05 2002
From: timte878 at student.liu.se (=?windows-1252?Q?Tim_Terleg=E5rd?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:52:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problems
Message-ID: <4adfa4e5eb.4e5eb4adfa@student.liu.se>

Hi!

I've got a Mailman problem. Surprised?  :)
After a reboot the mailing-lists stopped working.
Mailing a specific person is still working though. I
use exim and Mailman. Let's start from the
beginning. This line is in /etc/inetd.conf:

smtp stream tcp nowait mail /usr/sbin/exim exim -bs

When I send a mail to selinux-drift mailing-list I
get this in /var/log/exim/mainlog

2002-08-25 22:50:24 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 <=
timte878 at student.liu.se H=igloo.df.lth.se
[194.47.250.47] U=root P=esmtp S=1243
id=399a03e0aa.3e0aa399a0 at student.liu.se
2002-08-25 22:50:26 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 =>
|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post selinux-drift
 D=system_aliases
T=address_pipe
2002-08-25 22:50:26 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 Completed

I don't know what should be here, but it seems to be
ok. I now assume that Mailman got the mail that it's
supposed to forward to everyone on the list. Right?
The mailman configuration is:
selinux-drift: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
selinux-drift"

/home/mailman/bin/check_perms returns "No problems
found"

The mailman logs

/home/mailman/logs/qrunner:
Aug 25 13:43:03 2002 (13379) Could not acquire
qrunner lock

/home/mailman/logs/post shows all sendings that
succeeded. There's no entry from Aug 21.
/home/mailman/logs/bounce shows no entry after Aug 18.

The most interesting is /home/mailman/logs/error. I
attached it. The last line says:
IOError:  [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/482cxxxxxxxxxxx.db'

Seems there's something wrong with the permissions.

$ ls -ld qfiles
drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 28672 Aug 25 23:29 qfiles/

In the qfiles directory every .db and .msg file has:
-rw-rw-r-- 1 list mailman

Anyone have any clue what's wrong here?

Cheers,
Tim
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From mir at soartech.com  Mon Aug 26 16:39:04 2002
From: mir at soartech.com (David Mir)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:39:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving?
Message-ID: <200208261039.04008.mir@soartech.com>

I'm using Mailman on RH7.3 Everything seems to work great , except archiving.  
No matter what the settings (i.e. daily, weekly, monthly) it never seems to 
archive just gives the "raw" output!  Am I missing something?  Could some one 
tell me where to look for errors if there are any(pipermail errors somewhere 
else?)  Am I suppose to set-up some sort of cron job, I installed 
Mailman(mailman-2.0.11-1) via RPM.

I tried searching for archiving but couldn't really find what I was looking 
for, archiving gives pretty broad results.

Thanks

-- 
David Mir
System Administrator
Soar Technology, Inc.
3600 Green Ct, Ste 600
Ann Arbor, MI  48105-2588
734-327-8000 ext. 222
734-913-8537 (Fax)
www.soartech.com
mir at soartech.com

From support at iquest.ucsb.edu  Mon Aug 26 17:19:12 2002
From: support at iquest.ucsb.edu (Support)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:19:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subscription confirmation response
Message-ID: <001401c24d13$eee33420$800f6f80@iquest.ucsb.edu>

hi,
I configured mailman to use gid 12 (mail) since it would
 not let me do it with gid 0 (root)
 Everything goes well until I reply to the 1st confirmation

> I check the mailman logs and nothing there helps however I look at the
> sendmail logs and I get this. 
> 
> 
> Aug 26 05:23:11 cvd-bs3-8 sendmail[12116]: g7QCN9m12114:
> to=, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02,
> mailer=esmtp, pri=139793, relay=mailin-03.mx.netscape.net.
> [64.12.137.249], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK) 
> Aug 26 05:23:38 cvd-bs3-8 sendmail[12119]: g7QCNbm12119:
> from=, size=1883, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<7C6EED2A.10449403.001611A6 at netscape.net>, proto=ESMTP,
> daemon=MTA, relay=imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35] 
> Aug 26 05:23:38 cvd-bs3-8 sendmail[12120]: g7QCNbm12119:
> to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist",
> ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31196, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent 
> 
> ###---------------------------------- 
> this is what is what's in my alias file 
> 
> mailman: root 
> mail-owner: mailman 
> 
> 
> ## testlist mailing list 
> ## created: 22.Aug.02 mailman 
> testlist: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist" 
> testlist-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist" 
> testlist-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist" 
> testlist-owner: testlist-admin 
> 
> ###-------------------------------- 
> This is what's in my httpd.conf file (apache_1.3.26) 
> 
> 
> Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/" 
> 
>      
> Options FollowSymLinks 
 AllowOverride None 
 Order allow,deny 
 Allow from all 

>    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/" 
> 
>     
> Options None 
> AllowOverride None 
> Order allow,deny 
> Allow from all 
>    
> 
> ###--------------------- 
> 
> This is the symlink in /etc/smrsh 
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           26 Aug 22 15:21 wrapper ->
> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
> 
> ##--------------------- 
> 
> 
> from the sendmail logs it seems that the testlist-request alias is not
> resolving or something.  Can anyone tell me what's going wrong here. Do
> i have all other configurations done 
> correctly?? 
> 
> thanx, 
> 
> PS yes I know I shouldn't post real ip's and such but Im too lazy to
> change them. 

From john at userfrenzy.com  Mon Aug 26 17:24:22 2002
From: john at userfrenzy.com (John Handelaar)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:24:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving?
In-Reply-To: <200208261039.04008.mir@soartech.com>
Message-ID: 

% -----Original Message-----
% From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
% [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of David Mir
% Sent: 26 August 2002 15:39
% To: mailman-users at python.org
% Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving?
% 
% I'm using Mailman on RH7.3 Everything seems to work great , 
% except archiving.  
% No matter what the settings (i.e. daily, weekly, monthly) it 
% never seems to 
% archive just gives the "raw" output!  Am I missing something?  

Possibly, possibly not.

% Could some one 
% tell me where to look for errors if there are any(pipermail 
% errors somewhere 
% else?)  

The error log is in $prefix/logs - if you're fortunate, something
might turn up there.

If you're using SpamAssasin, apparently it does something to
the mail headers - search for it in the archives for more info.

Try su'ing to the mailman user and execute $prefix/bin/arch listname;
perhaps running it from the command line will return an error
which isn't showing up in the logs.

And obviously check your permissions.

After all of that, it might not work.  I'm one of about 30 people
on this list who have tried to get to the bottom of the fact that
sometimes, and without generating any errors at all, for some
people it just doesn't bloody work.  And no bugger has any idea
why not.

Although the failure to log an error when pipermail fails is
surely quite an ugly little bug.

------------------------------------------
John Handelaar

T +44 20 8933 1494       M +44 7930 681789
F +44 870 169 7657   E john at userfrenzy.com
------------------------------------------ 

From dreamboy at aros.net  Mon Aug 26 18:03:36 2002
From: dreamboy at aros.net (Devin Atencio)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:03:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Adding 1 user to a list via command line?
Message-ID: <200208261003.36316.dreamboy@aros.net>

I can't seem to figure out the correct syntax to add 1 e-mail address
to a list from the command line?

/home/maiman/bin/add_members -n - -w n test devin at bzzzz.com

any help with the correct syntax?

From rhorer at swbell.net  Mon Aug 26 18:37:47 2002
From: rhorer at swbell.net (Kyle Rhorer)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 11:37:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Adding 1 user to a list via command line?
In-Reply-To: <200208261003.36316.dreamboy@aros.net>
References: <200208261003.36316.dreamboy@aros.net>
Message-ID: <200208261137.47237.rhorer@swbell.net>

On Monday 26 August 2002 11:03, Devin Atencio wrote:
> I can't seem to figure out the correct syntax to add 1 e-mail address
> to a list from the command line?
>
> /home/maiman/bin/add_members -n - -w n test devin at bzzzz.com
>
> any help with the correct syntax?

try:

echo devin at bzzzz.com | bin/add_members -n - -w n test

From mailman at comnets.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Aug 26 19:16:54 2002
From: mailman at comnets.rwth-aachen.de (Mailman Administrator)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:16:54 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to reconstruct MIME Attachments
Message-ID: 

Hi,
subscribers of my mailing lists keep asking me how they can download
attached files from messages that are in the archives or reconstruct
Attachments from the daily batches they receive. Since most of them
seemed rather unexperienced (just as I am), could somebody point out an
easy way to decode the MIME-attachments from the Archive pages...
Or can I change something in the Preferences to make their lives easier?
Thanks for help.
Regards,
Ralf

From kenspin at mwt.net  Mon Aug 26 19:41:45 2002
From: kenspin at mwt.net (Ken Grunke)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:41:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] additional forms in signup
Message-ID: <3D6A684B.A64CB5FB@mwt.net>

I have approval required for new subscriptions to my list, and I
manually send a message to the requester asking for some basic info
about them before approving. Just want to keep spammers to an absolute
minimum.
Using the "Edit the HTML for the public list pages" feature, can I add
additional forms in the info page for my list, to ask for the name and
some basic info on the person requesting a subscription, besides just
the email and password? And have it mailed to me as listadmin?
I'm on a shared hosting environment, and don't have access to the
Mailman application.

Thanks,
Ken Grunke
http://www.crwoodturner.com

From dluu at iawmd.com  Mon Aug 26 19:58:07 2002
From: dluu at iawmd.com (David Luu)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:58:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting list admin password if list admin forgot password
Message-ID: <20020826175807.3F3183961@sitemail.everyone.net>

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From kachel at muenster.de  Mon Aug 26 20:03:32 2002
From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:03:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting list admin password if list admin forgot password
In-Reply-To: <20020826175807.3F3183961@sitemail.everyone.net>
References: <20020826175807.3F3183961@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <32077046.20020826200332@muenster.de>

Hello David,

On Monday, August 26, 2002, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting list admin password if list admin forgot password

> Is there an easy way to overide a list admin password and reset it
> to a default password if the admin forgets the password? Changing
> the password by finding the password within the program scripts
> would be quite a bother.

It is quite easy. You can login to every list admin interface with the
systems admin passwort. You will find about this topic in the FAQ:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.008.htp

Bye
Markus

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Aug 26 20:09:40 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:09:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting list admin password if list admin forgot 
 password
References: <20020826175807.3F3183961@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <3D6A6EE4.457828EA@pcraft.com>

David Luu wrote:

> Is there an easy way to overide a list admin password and reset it to a default password if the admin forgets the password?

    Use the site admin password to log in and change the password.

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Aug 26 20:07:30 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:07:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resetting list admin password if list admin forgot password
In-Reply-To: <20020826175807.3F3183961@sitemail.everyone.net>
References: <20020826175807.3F3183961@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <33072.155.41.10.1.1030385250.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Dear David,

The site admin can always change the passwords for any given list using
the site admin password.  If you don't know what this is, read the
documentation, or just run the 'bin/mmsitepass' script in the mailman
directory.  This password allows you to access any of the lists on the
site, and thus you can reset any given password.  If you forget the site
admin password, you can always just re-run mmsitepass.

As for your comments about moderators, that functionality is on its way. 
It is already available in Mailman 2.1, but that version is still in beta
and not recommended for production environments.

Hope this helped,

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

> Hi,
>
> Is there an easy way to overide a list admin password and reset it to a
> default password if the admin forgets the password? Changing the
> password by finding the password within the program scripts would be
> quite a bother.
>
> Would be nice if mailman has admin/moderator feature like in forums
> where moderator has most of the important features of admin but admin is
> the top guy. So admin has final control over things.
>
> We want to give users admin access but need to be able to access admin
> functions in case user forgets password. Like resetting password in
> Linux. Any help is appreciated.
>
> David
>
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From dluu at iawmd.com  Mon Aug 26 21:48:14 2002
From: dluu at iawmd.com (David Luu)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:48:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to mass unsubscribe members
Message-ID: <20020826194814.715B73951@sitemail.everyone.net>

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From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Aug 26 21:55:11 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:55:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to mass unsubscribe members
In-Reply-To: <20020826194814.715B73951@sitemail.everyone.net>
References: <20020826194814.715B73951@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <1561.155.41.10.1.1030391711.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Dear David,

This feature is on its way... it is available in the 2.1 betas, but these
are not recommended for production environments.

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

> Hi,
>
> I know there is a mass subscribe option in membership management to
> subscribe people. Is there also a way to mass unsubscribe these people?
>
> David
>
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From listmail at gearyweb.com  Mon Aug 26 22:32:59 2002
From: listmail at gearyweb.com (Michael Geary)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:32:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web server user conflict
Message-ID: <02F545C2-B933-11D6-A018-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>

Hi folks,

I sense that this may be a FAQ, but I can't find a clear source of 
information about it.

I am running mailman with Postfix and Apache. Everything seems to be 
okay. I have created a user and group called "mailman" and changed the 
ownership of everything in the main mailman director 
(/usr/local/mailman) to mailman:mailman.

However, whenever I use the web-based admin tools, the ownership of 
files:

-rw-rw----  1 mailman      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db
-rw-rw----  1 mailman      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db.last

changes to:

-rw-rw----  1 www      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db
-rw-rw----  1 www      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db.last

and I then get permission errors from the cron job "qrunner" until I 
change permissions back to mailman:mailman.

I suspect that something needed to be done with the -gid or -uid 
configure options, but the INSTALL notes weren't clear enough for me.

Could anyone help? Thanks,

michael geary

From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Aug 26 22:42:47 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:42:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web server user conflict
In-Reply-To: <02F545C2-B933-11D6-A018-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>
References: <02F545C2-B933-11D6-A018-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>
Message-ID: <36421.155.41.10.1.1030394567.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

I'd noticed that when I create a list from the web, the directory for that
list is owned by 'www' rather than mailman... I didn't check the stuff
inside it at the time, but I have a feeling the files you refer to were
probably also owned by www.

I don't remember any cron job problems, but then again I deleted those
lists pretty quickly, because they were just my attempts to experiment
with virtual domains.

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

> Hi folks,
>
> I sense that this may be a FAQ, but I can't find a clear source of
> information about it.
>
> I am running mailman with Postfix and Apache. Everything seems to be
> okay. I have created a user and group called "mailman" and changed the
> ownership of everything in the main mailman director
> (/usr/local/mailman) to mailman:mailman.
>
> However, whenever I use the web-based admin tools, the ownership of
> files:
>
> -rw-rw----  1 mailman      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db
> -rw-rw----  1 mailman      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db.last
>
> changes to:
>
> -rw-rw----  1 www      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db
> -rw-rw----  1 www      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db.last
>
> and I then get permission errors from the cron job "qrunner" until I
> change permissions back to mailman:mailman.
>
> I suspect that something needed to be done with the -gid or -uid
> configure options, but the INSTALL notes weren't clear enough for me.
>
> Could anyone help? Thanks,
>
> michael geary
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From listmail at gearyweb.com  Mon Aug 26 23:11:09 2002
From: listmail at gearyweb.com (Michael Geary)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:11:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web server user conflict
In-Reply-To: <36421.155.41.10.1.1030394567.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: <57DF5F0A-B938-11D6-A018-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>

So, you're saying that this has happened to you as well? Did you find 
the fix?

Thanks,

mg

On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 02:42 PM, Greg Westin wrote:

> I'd noticed that when I create a list from the web, the directory for 
> that
> list is owned by 'www' rather than mailman... I didn't check the stuff
> inside it at the time, but I have a feeling the files you refer to were
> probably also owned by www.
>
> I don't remember any cron job problems, but then again I deleted those
> lists pretty quickly, because they were just my attempts to experiment
> with virtual domains.
>
> Greg Westin
> greg at gregwestin.com
>
> 
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I sense that this may be a FAQ, but I can't find a clear source of
>> information about it.
>>
>> I am running mailman with Postfix and Apache. Everything seems to be
>> okay. I have created a user and group called "mailman" and changed the
>> ownership of everything in the main mailman director
>> (/usr/local/mailman) to mailman:mailman.
>>
>> However, whenever I use the web-based admin tools, the ownership of
>> files:
>>
>> -rw-rw----  1 mailman      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db
>> -rw-rw----  1 mailman      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db.last
>>
>> changes to:
>>
>> -rw-rw----  1 www      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db
>> -rw-rw----  1 www      mailman  4094 Aug 26 14:29 config.db.last
>>
>> and I then get permission errors from the cron job "qrunner" until I
>> change permissions back to mailman:mailman.
>>
>> I suspect that something needed to be done with the -gid or -uid
>> configure options, but the INSTALL notes weren't clear enough for me.
>>
>> Could anyone help? Thanks,
>>
>> michael geary
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users mailing list
>> Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
>> Searchable Archives:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>
>
>

From vkn at cableone.net  Sat Aug 24 01:55:51 2002
From: vkn at cableone.net (VKNelson)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 18:55:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How2 Transfer List
In-Reply-To: 
 <55904.140.247.133.60.1030138669.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
References: <20020823203403.27624.99332.Mailman@mail.python.org>       

 <55904.140.247.133.60.1030138669.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
Message-ID: 

Thanx for your response.
Yes mailman is already installed on the new server.

At 5:37 PM -0400 8/23/02, Greg Westin wrote:

Do you have mailman installed on the new server?  It seems to me like you
could just ditto the entire mailman directory over.  Of course, you'd
still have to set up other things involved in the mailman install, but
that'll get the list and the archives and whatnot.

If anyone knows why that wouldn't work, please let us know.

Greg Westin
greg at gregwestin.com

Thanx for the welcome to the list.

I am sort of a neophyte and will need lots of help to
get on board.

Please be patient.

I am changing servers and would like  to know how to transfer
my mailman mailing list  with 180 subscribers from the
current server to the new. location?

Valencia
Mac user
OS 9.2
Eudora 5.1
www.KingBarnes.com

From max at skyrock.com  Sun Aug 25 02:38:13 2002
From: max at skyrock.com (MaX)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 02:38:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: <011b01c24bcf$b3290a80$abaf0b50@hiddenpalace>

Hi,

I installed mailman some hours ago, it seems to work but I have a problem
with Postfix and I have this error :
": mail for lists.dstiny.net loops back to myself"

I don't find any solution... Can you help me ?

I run :
Linux dstiny.net 2.4.18 #1 Wed Jul 17 18:28:39 CEST 2002 i686 unknown
mailman 2.0.13

thanks you very much in advance for you answer...

MaX

From jozeph at globalmedia.com.br  Mon Aug 26 03:17:13 2002
From: jozeph at globalmedia.com.br (Jozeph Brasil)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:17:13 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone know how solve that?
Message-ID: <3D698199.9050608@globalmedia.com.br>

Anyone know how solve this "chacarcters" problem? Why the TOPIC of messages are crazy?

    * [netfine-l] Teste

      /=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gustavo_Mendon=E7a?= /
          o [netfine-l] Teste

            /Jozeph Brasil /
    * [netfine-l] Teste

      /=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gustavo_Mendon=E7a?= /
          o [netfine-l] Teste

            /Jozeph Brasil /
    * [netfine-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Exist=EAncia_da_lista?=

      /Jozeph Brasil /
    * [netfine-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sobre_a_p=E1gina=2E=2E=2E?=

      /Jozeph Brasil /
    * [netfine-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pr=F3xima_reuni=E3o=2E=2E=2E?=

      /Jozeph Brasil/

From bernhard at intevation.de  Mon Aug 26 16:13:10 2002
From: bernhard at intevation.de (Bernhard Reiter)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:13:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Move away Spamassassin marked E-Mails per cron
Message-ID: <20020826141310.GB5612@intevation.de>

Maybe somebody finds this little cronscript piece useful.
You need to add it to the crontab for the user running "mailman".

It is useful for people that use Spamassassin to mark all mail
in the header. If you put X-Spam-Status: Yes in your header to hold,
then these message will be placed on hold. This might place a burden
on you, if you get a lot of spam, because you have to discard them
all manually via the web-interface.

The script will periodically move the marked spam away 
in a directory ~mailman/data/marked_spam. Thus if you enter the
admindatabase you will see a message one like Message #901 lost.

Of course the ~mailman/data/marked_spam directory has to exist.

	Bernhard
ps.: Please copy me on relevant replies. I'm not subscribed to the list.
-------------- next part --------------
# crontab addition for the mailman user
# 	mv mail held for moderation and marked as spam into a spamfolder
#	note that the simple test using grep is not limited to header lines.
# 
@hourly grep --no-messages -l '^X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=' $HOME/data/heldmsg-*-* | xargs --replace mv {} $HOME/data/marked_spam/
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From deanna+usenet at freeshell.org  Mon Aug 26 18:22:33 2002
From: deanna+usenet at freeshell.org (Deanna Phillips)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:22:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Fwd: Adding 1 user to a list via command line?
References: <200208261003.36316.dreamboy@aros.net>
Message-ID: 

Devin Atencio  writes:

> I can't seem to figure out the correct syntax to add 1 e-mail address
> to a list from the command line?
>
> /home/maiman/bin/add_members -n - -w n test devin at bzzzz.com
>
> any help with the correct syntax?

echo devin at bzzzz.com | /home/mailman/bin/add_members -w y -n - test

Where 'test' is the name of the list you want to add devin to.

Not very pretty, is it?

-- 
deanna

From pab at comnets.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Aug 26 18:53:44 2002
From: pab at comnets.rwth-aachen.de (Ralf Pabst)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:53:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to download Attachments from the Archive
Message-ID: <3D6A5D18.5040109@comnets.rwth-aachen.de>

Hi,
subscribers of my mailing lists keep asking me how they can download 
attached files from messages that are in the archives. Since most of 
them seemed rather unexperienced (just as I am), could somebody point 
out an easy way to decode the MIME-attachments from the Archive pages...
Thanks for help.
Regards,
Ralf

From wolf at wolfstream.net  Mon Aug 26 23:27:02 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
In-Reply-To: <011b01c24bcf$b3290a80$abaf0b50@hiddenpalace>
References: <011b01c24bcf$b3290a80$abaf0b50@hiddenpalace>
Message-ID: <200208261627.02271.wolf@wolfstream.net>

On Saturday 24 August 2002 7:38 pm, MaX wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I installed mailman some hours ago, it seems to work but I have a problem
> with Postfix and I have this error :
> ": mail for lists.dstiny.net loops back to myself"
>
> I don't find any solution... Can you help me ?
>
> I run :
> Linux dstiny.net 2.4.18 #1 Wed Jul 17 18:28:39 CEST 2002 i686 unknown
> mailman 2.0.13
That is an MTA problem, not a Mailman problem.
make sure your settings are correct
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From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Aug 26 23:42:35 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:42:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web server user conflict
In-Reply-To: <57DF5F0A-B938-11D6-A018-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>
References: <36421.155.41.10.1.1030394567.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>
        <57DF5F0A-B938-11D6-A018-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>
Message-ID: <52919.140.247.133.60.1030398155.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

No, I don't have any idea what the problem was, unfortunately.  Let me
know if you find out, please.

Greg

-- 
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http://www.gregwestin.com
Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php

> So, you're saying that this has happened to you as well? Did you find
> the fix?

From greg at gregwestin.com  Mon Aug 26 23:45:18 2002
From: greg at gregwestin.com (Greg Westin)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:45:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
In-Reply-To: <011b01c24bcf$b3290a80$abaf0b50@hiddenpalace>
References: <011b01c24bcf$b3290a80$abaf0b50@hiddenpalace>
Message-ID: <52941.140.247.133.60.1030398318.squirrel@webmail.gregwestin.com>

Check out this link:
http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#unknown_virtual_loop

I'm guessing you don't have Postfix set up properly to receive mail for
lists.dstiny.net.

Greg

-- 
greg at gregwestin.com
http://www.gregwestin.com
Contact info: http://www.gregwestin.com/contact.php

> Hi,
>
> I installed mailman some hours ago, it seems to work but I have a
> problem with Postfix and I have this error :
> ": mail for lists.dstiny.net loops back to
> myself"
>
> I don't find any solution... Can you help me ?
>
> I run :
> Linux dstiny.net 2.4.18 #1 Wed Jul 17 18:28:39 CEST 2002 i686 unknown
> mailman 2.0.13
>
> thanks you very much in advance for you answer...
>
> MaX
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From acclella at sciborg.uwaterloo.ca  Tue Aug 27 00:24:36 2002
From: acclella at sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (Andrew Clelland)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:24:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with repeating admin message
Message-ID: 

I'm fairly new to this program and haven't been able to find a solution to
this problem. I keep getting messages saying that

"The Info at blahblah.com mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for
your consideration at:

	http://bahamas.dnsvault.com/mailman/admindb/blah blhsdh

Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.

Pending posts:
     From: somebody at hotmail.com on Fri Aug 23 12:28:00 2002
    Cause: Message has implicit destination"

But yet when I follow the link in the email, to get to the pending requests
it says that I have none. I receive the above email everyday at 5:01 yet
everytime there are no pending requests contrary to what the message says.

can anyone offer a solution?

Andrew

From support at cprg.biz  Tue Aug 27 01:38:31 2002
From: support at cprg.biz (Web Support)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to mass unsubscribe members
References: <20020826194814.715B73951@sitemail.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <027801c24d59$b1414cb0$bcc92c44@unknown>

Log in to:
[ List Administration | Membership Management ]
Membership List ...

"UN"check the boxes under "subscr" column,
corresponding to each member you want to nuke; then:
[ Submit Your Changes ].

All members corresponding to the boxes you unchecked will be
unsubscribed enmass. 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Luu 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:48 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to mass unsubscribe members

  Hi,

  I know there is a mass subscribe option in membership management to subscribe people. Is there also a way to mass unsubscribe these people?

  David

  _____________________________________________________________

I'm receiving the following error message from cron.

/usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 59, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 860, in Save
    self.SaveRequestsDb()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 93, in SaveRequestsDb
    self.__closedb()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __closedb
    fp = open(self.__filename, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/var/mailman/lists/workhouse-publicity/request.db'

Executing a "./check_perms" resulted in "No problems found".

Any suggestions?

[-d]

From bu_marwan at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 27 03:50:49 2002
From: bu_marwan at hotmail.com (Bu Marwan)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:50:49 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Arabic Support + Full Customization
Message-ID: 

Hello All.

I have two questions to ask,

1- Does the mailman list support Arabic E-mails? I mean if I have installed 
the system on my server and have setup a mailing list and got subscribers. 
Can I send an Arabic e-mail to them?

2- Is the System fully custumizable? Can I customize the look and the text 
found in the subscribing pages, the confirmation e-mails, .. etc?

Thanks for your help and concern.

_________________________________________________________________
Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 
http://www.hotmail.com

From clay at dawning.com.cn  Tue Aug 27 07:48:36 2002
From: clay at dawning.com.cn (Isaac Claymore)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:48:36 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Arabic Support + Full Customization
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20020827054836.GA16366@clay>

On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 05:50:49AM +0400, Bu Marwan wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> I have two questions to ask,
> 
> 1- Does the mailman list support Arabic E-mails? I mean if I have installed 
> the system on my server and have setup a mailing list and got subscribers. 
> Can I send an Arabic e-mail to them?
 I don't know about Arabic, but we've been running several lists with
 both English emails and Chinese ones, whose encoding system is no
 simpler than that of Arabic iirc. I simply changed 2 options in the
 mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_CHARSET and VERBATIM_ENCODING.
> 
> 2- Is the System fully custumizable? Can I customize the look and the text 
> found in the subscribing pages, the confirmation e-mails, .. etc?
 Look into the directory /templates ;)

Clay

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From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Aug 27 10:05:52 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:05:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to reconstruct MIME Attachments 
In-Reply-To: Message from Mailman Administrator  
   of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:16:54 +0200."  
References:  
Message-ID: <26021.1030435552@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) 
Mailman Administrator  wrote:

> Hi, subscribers of my mailing lists keep asking me how they can
> download attached files from messages that are in the archives or
> reconstruct Attachments from the daily batches they receive. Since
> most of them seemed rather unexperienced (just as I am), could
> somebody point out an easy way to decode the MIME-attachments from the
> Archive pages...  Or can I change something in the Preferences to make
> their lives easier?  

Have them use MIME digests instead of text digests.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From janis at camp.lv  Tue Aug 27 10:29:12 2002
From: janis at camp.lv (janis at camp.lv)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:29:12 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problems
In-Reply-To: <4adfa4e5eb.4e5eb4adfa@student.liu.se>
References: <4adfa4e5eb.4e5eb4adfa@student.liu.se>
Message-ID: <1030436952.3d6b385892f5e@mail.camp.lv>

Hi!
It could be that there is problem with the cron. Mailman's cron jobs has to be 
executed w user/group mailman and seems that they are not.

Janis Putrams

> Hi!
> 
> I've got a Mailman problem. Surprised?  :)
> After a reboot the mailing-lists stopped working.
> Mailing a specific person is still working though. I
> use exim and Mailman. Let's start from the
> beginning. This line is in /etc/inetd.conf:
> 
> smtp stream tcp nowait mail /usr/sbin/exim exim -bs
> 
> 
> When I send a mail to selinux-drift mailing-list I
> get this in /var/log/exim/mainlog
> 
> 2002-08-25 22:50:24 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 <=
> timte878 at student.liu.se H=igloo.df.lth.se
> [194.47.250.47] U=root P=esmtp S=1243
> id=399a03e0aa.3e0aa399a0 at student.liu.se
> 2002-08-25 22:50:26 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 =>
> |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post selinux-drift
>  D=system_aliases
> T=address_pipe
> 2002-08-25 22:50:26 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 Completed
> 
> I don't know what should be here, but it seems to be
> ok. I now assume that Mailman got the mail that it's
> supposed to forward to everyone on the list. Right?
> The mailman configuration is:
> selinux-drift: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> selinux-drift"
> 
> /home/mailman/bin/check_perms returns "No problems
> found"
> 
> 
> The mailman logs
> 
> /home/mailman/logs/qrunner:
> Aug 25 13:43:03 2002 (13379) Could not acquire
> qrunner lock
> 
> /home/mailman/logs/post shows all sendings that
> succeeded. There's no entry from Aug 21.
> /home/mailman/logs/bounce shows no entry after Aug 18.
> 
> The most interesting is /home/mailman/logs/error. I
> attached it. The last line says:
> IOError:  [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/home/mailman/qfiles/482cxxxxxxxxxxx.db'
> 
> Seems there's something wrong with the permissions.
> 
> $ ls -ld qfiles
> drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 28672 Aug 25 23:29 qfiles/
> 
> In the qfiles directory every .db and .msg file has:
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 list mailman
> 
> Anyone have any clue what's wrong here?
> 
> Cheers,
> Tim
> 

From mailman-users at imc.nl  Tue Aug 27 10:35:22 2002
From: mailman-users at imc.nl (Roelf Schreurs)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:35:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] high resource usage
Message-ID: <000801c24da4$af72b220$c764a8c0@ads.intra.imc>

Hi

Running the newest mailman on FreeBSD 4.4 I get a high resource usage on our server.

PID USERNAME        PRI NICE  SIZE    RES STATE    TIME   WCPU    CPU COMMAND
67216 mailman          64   0 58196K 53356K RUN      0:55 65.77% 65.77% python

[root at dmx cur]# ps aux | grep 67216
mailman  67216 67.1  5.1 55288 53700  ??  R    10:18AM   1:16.68 qrunner /opt/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArcRunner:0:1 -s (python)

Any reason why this is so high?

Thanks

Roelf
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From khj at be.cs.appstate.edu  Tue Aug 27 12:04:58 2002
From: khj at be.cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 27 Aug 2002 06:04:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /var/log/mailman files
In-Reply-To: <15661.57857.753290.942668@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: 

[RH7.3, mailman-2.0.11-1]

Looking in my /var/log/mailman directory, I see file names such as:

	error
	error.1
	error.1.1
	error.1.1.1
	error.1.1.1.1
	error.1.1.1.1.1

This occurs for the other error files as well (subscribe, post,
digest, ...).  Also, most are of zero length and many have the same
date/time.

Are these names normal?  What do all the digits signify?

I checked the docs and did some searching, but couldn't find an answer.

Thanks,

  -Kenneth
-- 
Prof Kenneth H Jacker       khj at cs.appstate.edu
Computer Science Dept       www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
Appalachian State Univ
Boone, NC  28608  USA        

From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Tue Aug 27 12:29:29 2002
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 27 Aug 2002 11:29:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /var/log/mailman files
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1030444172.2202.17.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 11:04, Kenneth Jacker wrote:
> [RH7.3, mailman-2.0.11-1]
> 
> Looking in my /var/log/mailman directory, I see file names such as:
> 
> 	error
> 	error.1
> 	error.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1.1.1

Normally means that someone has used an inappropriate wildcard in the
logrotate script.

Check for a mailman file in /etc/logrotate.d, and presumably it has
something like:-

	/var/log/mailman/*

as the logfile name.

This should be changed to explicitly list /var/log/mailman/error and the
other log files.

BTW this will exponentially grow and can wedge your system under the
right circumstances.  If the logrotate control file is from the RPM then
it needs fixing urgently.  logrotate was supposedly upgraded to avoid
this problem a while back - look for bugzilla entries that refer to
logrotate and samba.

Its a packaging problem rather than a mailman problem.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]

From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Tue Aug 27 14:14:41 2002
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:14:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.13 & htdig integration patch
Message-ID: <15723.27953.833108.824959@daimi.au.dk>

Hi,

After unpacking the sources for mailman v. 2.0.13, 
I tried to apply htdig-2.0.13-0.1.patch which failed. 
Then I noticed the htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch. Unfortunately 
this patch is failing too:

   [mailman-2.0.13]$ patch -p1 < htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch 
   patching file INSTALL
   patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
   patch: **** malformed patch at line 1004: diff -r -u -P mailman-2.0.13-index/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py mailman-2.0.13-htdig/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py

Does someone have a suggestion what is wrong?

Thanks,
Kaja

From wash at wananchi.com  Tue Aug 27 14:19:47 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:19:47 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.13 & htdig integration patch
In-Reply-To: <15723.27953.833108.824959@daimi.au.dk>
References: <15723.27953.833108.824959@daimi.au.dk>
Message-ID: <20020827121947.GB31393@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Kaja P. Christiansen  [20020827 15:14]: wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> After unpacking the sources for mailman v. 2.0.13, 
> I tried to apply htdig-2.0.13-0.1.patch which failed. 
> Then I noticed the htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch. Unfortunately 
> this patch is failing too:
> 
>    [mailman-2.0.13]$ patch -p1 < htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch 
>    patching file INSTALL
>    patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
>    patch: **** malformed patch at line 1004: diff -r -u -P mailman-2.0.13-index/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py mailman-2.0.13-htdig/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
>    
> Does someone have a suggestion what is wrong?

Probably the way you downloaded the patches...
How did you do it?
I've downloaded them before and they applied cleanly.

        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post

From wash at wananchi.com  Tue Aug 27 14:29:09 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:29:09 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH in 2.1b3
Message-ID: <20020827122909.GC31393@ns2.wananchi.com>

Has this option been removed from 2.1b3? 
I just can't find it in all the files, and neither can I see a discussion about
it being replaced. Not that I do use it but I hope I will so this is on a NTK
basis.

beastie# find ../mailman-2.1b3/ -type f -exec grep -li 'SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH' {} \;
beastie#

Any references appreciated.

Thanks

        cheers
       - wash 
+----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
Odhiambo Washington, wash at wananchi.com	. WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE)  |
http://ns2.wananchi.com/~wash/		. 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St.,  |
GSM: (+254) 722 743 223			. # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI             |
+---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+
"Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!"  
						 --from a /. post

From sebold at lcms.org  Tue Aug 27 14:32:12 2002
From: sebold at lcms.org (Charles Sebold)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /var/log/mailman files
In-Reply-To:  (Kenneth Jacker's message of
 "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:04:58 -0400")
References: 
Message-ID: <87d6s4mqib.fsf@lcms.org>

On 19 Elul 5762, Kenneth Jacker wrote:

> Looking in my /var/log/mailman directory, I see file names such as:
> 
> 	error
> 	error.1
> 	error.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1.1.1

This probably indicates a problem with your logrotate scripts (that's
what bumps logfiles with numbers, and optionally compresses them).  Not
sure where they are in RedHat but in Debian they're in /etc/logrotate* .
-- 
Charles Sebold        K'tivah V'chatimah Tovah        19th of Elul, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems             http://tsdocs.lcms.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***

From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Tue Aug 27 14:49:32 2002
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:49:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.13 & htdig integration patch
In-Reply-To: <20020827121947.GB31393@ns2.wananchi.com>
References: <15723.27953.833108.824959@daimi.au.dk>
	<20020827121947.GB31393@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <15723.30044.566188.923944@daimi.au.dk>

Odhiambo Washington writes:

 > Probably the way you downloaded the patches...
 > How did you do it?
 > I've downloaded them before and they applied cleanly.

Thanks! The patch file must have been corrupted. I downloaded
it again and the result is better, but the patch doesn't apply 
quite cleanly:

[mailman-2.0.13]$ md5sum htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch 
cc3115a099507d45a72642722c56dfce  htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch
[mailman-2.0.13]$ patch -p1 < htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch 
patching file INSTALL
patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
Hunk #2 succeeded at 507 (offset -11 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 551 (offset -3 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 675 (offset -11 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 702 (offset -3 lines).
Hunk #6 FAILED at 757.
Hunk #7 succeeded at 755 (offset -18 lines).
Hunk #8 succeeded at 796 (offset -3 lines).
1 out of 8 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.rej
patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
patching file Mailman/Cgi/updateTOC.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
Hunk #1 FAILED at 553.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Defaults.py.in.rej
patching file Makefile.in
patching file bin/Makefile.in
patching file bin/blow_away_htdig
patching file cron/Makefile.in
patching file cron/crontab.in.in
patching file cron/nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare

Kaja

From mike at CamaroSS.net  Tue Aug 27 15:06:33 2002
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /var/log/mailman files
In-Reply-To: <87d6s4mqib.fsf@lcms.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c24dca$91ca9320$6501a8c0@mikedesk>

Here's what my /etc/logrotate.d/mailman file looks like:

/var/log/mailman/bounce {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/digest {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/error {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/post {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/smtp-failure {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/locks {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/fromusenet {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/subscribe {
    missingok
}
/var/log/mailman/vette {
    missingok
}

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Charles Sebold
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:32 AM
To: khj at cs.appstate.edu
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /var/log/mailman files

On 19 Elul 5762, Kenneth Jacker wrote:

> Looking in my /var/log/mailman directory, I see file names such as:
> 
> 	error
> 	error.1
> 	error.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1.1
> 	error.1.1.1.1.1

This probably indicates a problem with your logrotate scripts (that's
what bumps logfiles with numbers, and optionally compresses them).  Not
sure where they are in RedHat but in Debian they're in /etc/logrotate* .
-- 
Charles Sebold        K'tivah V'chatimah Tovah        19th of Elul, 5762
LCMS - Office of Information Systems             http://tsdocs.lcms.org/
        *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***
        *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Aug 27 15:42:24 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:42:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.13 & htdig integration patch
In-Reply-To: <15723.30044.566188.923944@daimi.au.dk>
References: <20020827121947.GB31393@ns2.wananchi.com>
 <15723.27953.833108.824959@daimi.au.dk>
 <20020827121947.GB31393@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827140427.0492bff0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:49 27/08/2002 +0200, Kaja P. Christiansen wrote:

>Odhiambo Washington writes:
>
>  > Probably the way you downloaded the patches...
>  > How did you do it?
>  > I've downloaded them before and they applied cleanly.
>
>Thanks! The patch file must have been corrupted. I downloaded
>it again and the result is better, but the patch doesn't apply
>quite cleanly:

It looks as though you may not have applied the precursor 
indexing-2.0.13-0.2.patch which you can find at 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 
as stipulated in the notes for the htdig integration patch 444884.

Also, from the offsets being cited in your post when you apply 
htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch, it doesn't look as though may not be applying it to 
a standard Mailman 2.0.13 distribution, but I could be wrong about this. 
For instance when I do what I think you may have done I get what follows 
but, as you can see, while broadly similar the actual offsets are slightly 
different:

mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build> zcat distributions/mailman-2.0.13.tgz | 
tar xf -
mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build> cd mailman-2.0.13
mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build/mailman-2.0.13> patch -p1 < 
../patches/current/htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch
patching file INSTALL
patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
Hunk #2 succeeded at 507 (offset -11 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 540 (offset -14 lines).
Hunk #4 succeeded at 672 (offset -14 lines).
Hunk #5 succeeded at 691 (offset -14 lines).
Hunk #6 FAILED at 746.
Hunk #7 succeeded at 752 (offset -21 lines).
Hunk #8 succeeded at 778 (offset -21 lines).
1 out of 8 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file 
Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.rej
patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
patching file Mailman/Cgi/updateTOC.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
Hunk #1 FAILED at 553.
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Defaults.py.in.rej
patching file Makefile.in
patching file bin/Makefile.in
patching file bin/blow_away_htdig
patching file cron/Makefile.in
patching file cron/crontab.in.in
patching file cron/nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl
patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare
patching file src/Makefile.in
mailman at mailman2:/mailman/build>

>[mailman-2.0.13]$ md5sum htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch
>cc3115a099507d45a72642722c56dfce  htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch
>[mailman-2.0.13]$ patch -p1 < htdig-2.0.13-0.2.patch
>patching file INSTALL
>patching file INSTALL.htdig-mm
>patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
>Hunk #2 succeeded at 507 (offset -11 lines).
>Hunk #3 succeeded at 551 (offset -3 lines).
>Hunk #4 succeeded at 675 (offset -11 lines).
>Hunk #5 succeeded at 702 (offset -3 lines).
>Hunk #6 FAILED at 757.
>Hunk #7 succeeded at 755 (offset -18 lines).
>Hunk #8 succeeded at 796 (offset -3 lines).
>1 out of 8 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file 
>Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.rej
>patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
>patching file Mailman/Cgi/updateTOC.py
>patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
>Hunk #1 FAILED at 553.
>1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Mailman/Defaults.py.in.rej
>patching file Makefile.in
>patching file bin/Makefile.in
>patching file bin/blow_away_htdig
>patching file cron/Makefile.in
>patching file cron/crontab.in.in
>patching file cron/nightly_htdig
>patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig
>patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl
>patching file cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare
>
>
>Kaja

From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Tue Aug 27 15:57:32 2002
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:57:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.13 & htdig integration patch
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827140427.0492bff0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <20020827121947.GB31393@ns2.wananchi.com>
	<15723.27953.833108.824959@daimi.au.dk>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20020827140427.0492bff0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15723.34124.677380.645491@daimi.au.dk>

Richard Barrett writes:

 > It looks as though you may not have applied the precursor 
 > indexing-2.0.13-0.2.patch

Yes, that is correct - I forgot to apply the indexing patch :(
The indexing patch followed by htdig patch applied cleanly.
Thank you for pointing it out.

Kaja

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Aug 27 16:02:55 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:02:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.13 & htdig integration patch
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020827144539.04097d60@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:49 27/08/2002 +0200, Kaja P. Christiansen wrote:

>Odhiambo Washington writes:
>
>  > Probably the way you downloaded the patches...
>  > How did you do it?
>  > I've downloaded them before and they applied cleanly.
>
>Thanks! The patch file must have been corrupted. I downloaded
>it again and the result is better, but the patch doesn't apply
>quite cleanly:

It looks as though you may not have applied the precursor 
indexing-2.0.13-0.2.patch which you can find at 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 
as stipulated in the notes for the htdig integration patch 444884.

Apologies, but further to my initial post the latest is version of the 
444879 indexing patch for MM 2.0.13 is indexing-2.0.13-0.3.patch not 
indexing-2.0.13-0.2.patch.

From rcs at malibyte.net  Tue Aug 27 16:45:46 2002
From: rcs at malibyte.net (Bob Sully)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:45:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /var/log/mailman files
In-Reply-To: <87d6s4mqib.fsf@lcms.org>
Message-ID: 

Just out of curiosity...you're not running Mandrake 7.1, are you?  That 
release had a strange bug which caused a lot of directories in /var to 
fill up with files with those sorts of names, many levels deep.  This 
was fixed in 7.2 and newer.
--Bob --

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Charles Sebold wrote:

> On 19 Elul 5762, Kenneth Jacker wrote:
> 
> > Looking in my /var/log/mailman directory, I see file names such as:
> > 
> > 	error
> > 	error.1
> > 	error.1.1
> > 	error.1.1.1
> > 	error.1.1.1.1
> > 	error.1.1.1.1.1
> 
> This probably indicates a problem with your logrotate scripts (that's
> what bumps logfiles with numbers, and optionally compresses them).  Not
> sure where they are in RedHat but in Debian they're in /etc/logrotate* .
> 

-- 
________________________________________
Bob Sully - Simi Valley, California, USA
http://www.malibyte.net

"The weather is here - wish you were beautiful." - J. Buffett

From khj at be.cs.appstate.edu  Tue Aug 27 16:59:33 2002
From: khj at be.cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 27 Aug 2002 10:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: /var/log/mailman files
In-Reply-To: <000d01c24dca$91ca9320$6501a8c0@mikedesk>
References: <000d01c24dca$91ca9320$6501a8c0@mikedesk>
Message-ID: 

Mike's suggested "/etc/logrotate.d/mailman" contents is apparently
just what I needed!

Thanks to him and all the others that responded ...

  -Kenneth

From barry at python.org  Tue Aug 27 18:33:20 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:33:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH in 2.1b3
References: <20020827122909.GC31393@ns2.wananchi.com>
Message-ID: <15723.43472.206842.402028@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "OW" == Odhiambo Washington  writes:

    OW> Has this option been removed from 2.1b3? I just can't find it
    OW> in all the files, and neither can I see a discussion about it
    OW> being replaced. Not that I do use it but I hope I will so this
    OW> is on a NTK basis.

    OW> beastie# find ../mailman-2.1b3/ -type f -exec grep -li
    OW> 'SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH' {} \; beastie#

    OW> Any references appreciated.

You're right that SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH has been removed for MM2.1.  I
made this decision because it really was trying to work around, IMO,
misconfigured (remote) mail servers, and it was difficult to get right
in the face of ccTLDs.  If you have members who cannot fix their mail
servers to include canonical From: addresses, then the workaround is
the same as if that member wants to post from multiple addresses.
They must subscribe each address and disable all but the one they want
mail delivered to.

-Barry

From ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil  Tue Aug 27 20:58:17 2002
From: ERantanen at osc.uscg.mil (Rantanen, TC1)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:58:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removal of subscriber list from web pages
Message-ID: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831701EA8451@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>

Where can I find the entries (code) for roster/subscribe list, removal.

Even with only admins set to see subscriber list only (to much info for
people to see), I want to take even this out of the listinfo web
page. 

Not sure where to begin to look, for the code removal.

Tks in advance for any help.

Ed

From lmark at cires.colorado.edu  Tue Aug 27 22:31:35 2002
From: lmark at cires.colorado.edu (Mark Lohaus)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:31:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I change the name of a mailman list?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020827142924.00a6fe38@cires.colorado.edu>

Hi,

I need to change the name of a Mailman list.  Is this possible?

Thanks,

Mark

Mark Lohaus
Webmaster
Center for Science and Technology Policy Research
1333 Grandview, 488 UCB
Boulder, CO  80309-0488
303-735-0493

From splat at fury.to  Tue Aug 27 23:00:28 2002
From: splat at fury.to (Randy Romero)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:00:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another Postfix/Mailman post but not a GID problem.
Message-ID: 

Mailman gurus,
  Hope someone can help.

Solaris 9
postfix 1.1.11
mailman 2.0.13

::postfix main.cf entries::
alias_database = dbm:/etc/postfix/aliases
alias_maps = dbm:/home/mailman/aliases

As the mailman user I compiled with the following flags:

#export MAILHOST=some.mailhost.com
#export WWWHOST=some.wwwhost.com
#./configure --with-mail-gid=102 --with-cgi-gid=60001 \
--with-username=mailman --with-groupname=mailman

did all other installation steps...ie mmsitepass, crontab, etc, etc

#cp /etc/postfix/aliases ~
#postalias ~/aliases

installation appears to be fine, but when I send email to the test list it
seems to vanish.

I can see the mail hit postfix with no problem

Aug 27 16:49:21 alcatraz postfix/local[203]: [ID 197553 mail.info]
68E167EC7A: to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test")

I also see several messages in /home/mailman/qfiles, and I've run the
qrunner command with no results.

Can someone point me in the right direction?  I've looked at the docs
several times and I'm at a point where I'm stumped.  I've looked at the
archives over and over, but haven't found anything that describes this
situation.  Any and all help (not flames) are appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Randy Romero

From support at iquest.ucsb.edu  Wed Aug 28 01:41:14 2002
From: support at iquest.ucsb.edu (Support)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no subscription confirmation response
Message-ID: <000701c24e23$3b53e150$800f6f80@iquest.ucsb.edu>

hi,

I configured mailman to use gid 12 (mail) since it would
 not let me do it with gid 0 (root)
 Everything goes well until I reply to the 1st confirmation. I never get an
email saying that Ive been added to the list.

 I check the mailman logs and nothing there helps however I look at the
 sendmail logs and I get this.

### message sent asking for a reply
 Aug 26 05:23:11 cvd-bs3-8 sendmail[12116]:
g7QCN9m12114:to=, delay=00:00:02,
xdelay=00:00:02,mailer=esmtp, pri=139793,
relay=mailin-03.mx.netscape.net.[64.12.137.249], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (OK)

### reply revieved
Aug 26 05:23:38 cvd-bs3-8 sendmail[12119]:
g7QCNbm12119:from=, size=1883, class=0,
nrcpts=1,msgid=<7C6EED2A.10449403.001611A6 at netscape.net>,
proto=ESMTP,daemon=MTA, relay=imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]

### entry from aliases refering to the
Aug 26 05:23:38 cvd-bs3-8 sendmail[12120]:
g7QCNbm12119:to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist",
 ctladdr= (8/0),
delay=00:00:00,xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=31196, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

 ###----------------------------------
 this is what is what's in my alias file

 mailman: root
 mail-owner: mailman

 ## testlist mailing list
 ## created: 22.Aug.02 mailman
 testlist: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"
 testlist-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testlist"
 testlist-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist"
 testlist-owner: testlist-admin

 ###--------------------------------
 This is what's in my httpd.conf file (apache_1.3.26)

 Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

 Options FollowSymLinks
 AllowOverride None
 Order allow,deny
 Allow from all

    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

 Options None
 AllowOverride None
 Order allow,deny
 Allow from all

 ###---------------------

 This is the symlink in /etc/smrsh

 lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           26 Aug 22 15:21 wrapper ->
 /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

 ##---------------------

 from the sendmail logs it seems that the testlist-request alias is not
 resolving or something.  Can anyone tell me what's going wrong here. Do
 i have all other configurations done
 correctly??

 thanx,

 PS yes I know I shouldn't post real ip's and such but Im too lazy to
 change them.

From bjorn-ivar at inc.humorshack.com  Tue Aug 27 12:29:31 2002
From: bjorn-ivar at inc.humorshack.com (Bjorn-Ivar Sigbjornsen)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:29:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] import feature
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020827122547.00c1dd68@mail.europulse.com>

Hi

I have been looking at the Mail Man program you offer and it looks really 
interesting. As I already have subscribers to another mailinglist, I wonder 
if it's possible to import the existing subscribers directly into Mail Man?

I also wonder if the Plain Digests mode means that you can post a 
newsletter that is not being sent out immediately, but say 6 hours later? 
That way I can send it out during the night.

One last thing. Is it possible to set it up as an announce list only, so 
replies don't go out to all subscribers?

Thanks for your help!

Best,
Bjorn-Ivar

From pjcd at sun.ac.za  Tue Aug 27 13:13:30 2002
From: pjcd at sun.ac.za (John Dovey)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:13:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to reconstruct MIME Attachments 
References:   <26021.1030435552@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <0bcc01c24dba$c6b34b50$664ae892@jsgbib.sun.ac.za>

Hi,

> > Hi, subscribers of my mailing lists keep asking me how they can
> > download attached files from messages that are in the archives or
> > reconstruct Attachments from the daily batches they receive. Since
> > most of them seemed rather unexperienced (just as I am), could
> > somebody point out an easy way to decode the MIME-attachments from the
> > Archive pages...  Or can I change something in the Preferences to make
> > their lives easier?

You can tell your subscribers to take a look at
http://members.aol.com/decfaq/decfaq.htm which is a shell extension for
decoding email etc..
Hope this Helps
John

>From the Website :

General Program Information

Decode Shell Extension is a freeware internet email attachment decoder for
decoding files that contain one or more internet email attachments. The
program works from Windows Explorer only. Basic usage is that you first save
the complete internet message - text and attachment - to a file on disk.
Then you use Windows Explorer to navigate to the file you saved, highlight
the file, right click, and select 'Decode' from the menu. See Basic Decoding
Steps for more information and follow the above links to the examples for
more information on actual usage.

Decode Shell Extension can decode Base64(MIME), yEnc, BinHex (Mac format),
quoted-printable, plain text, XXENCODED, and User (table) encoded files.
Support for yEnc is new to version 4.6. The program can decode multiple
attachments within a single message files and multi-part files (already
concatenated).

From curt at acm.org  Tue Aug 27 19:51:03 2002
From: curt at acm.org (curt brune)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:51:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htdig integration howto
Message-ID: <20020827175103.GN11277@lenin.net>

Is there a HOWTO for integrating htdig with Mailman ?

Please cc me.

Cheers,
Curt

From John at MyOfficeOnThe.Net  Tue Aug 27 22:30:14 2002
From: John at MyOfficeOnThe.Net (Rev John J Macuga III)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What Now
In-Reply-To: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831701EA8451@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>
Message-ID: 

I just ran the mailman RPM from RedHat. What now? Where do I look for
instructions on the next steps?

Ignorant but GRATEFULL.

JJ

From david at gitman.net  Wed Aug 28 03:16:04 2002
From: david at gitman.net (David Gitman)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:16:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problems
In-Reply-To: <1030436952.3d6b385892f5e@mail.camp.lv>
Message-ID: <004c01c24e30$7af5c8c0$1401a8c0@ack>

I checked the mailman user crontab. I'm sure mailman it's running it.

[-d]

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of janis at camp.lv
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 4:29 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Permission problems

Hi!
It could be that there is problem with the cron. Mailman's cron jobs has
to be 
executed w user/group mailman and seems that they are not.

Janis Putrams

> Hi!
> 
> I've got a Mailman problem. Surprised?  :)
> After a reboot the mailing-lists stopped working.
> Mailing a specific person is still working though. I
> use exim and Mailman. Let's start from the
> beginning. This line is in /etc/inetd.conf:
> 
> smtp stream tcp nowait mail /usr/sbin/exim exim -bs
> 
> 
> When I send a mail to selinux-drift mailing-list I
> get this in /var/log/exim/mainlog
> 
> 2002-08-25 22:50:24 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 <=
> timte878 at student.liu.se H=igloo.df.lth.se
> [194.47.250.47] U=root P=esmtp S=1243
> id=399a03e0aa.3e0aa399a0 at student.liu.se
> 2002-08-25 22:50:26 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 =>
> |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post selinux-drift
>  D=system_aliases
> T=address_pipe
> 2002-08-25 22:50:26 17j4L2-0007Bo-00 Completed
> 
> I don't know what should be here, but it seems to be
> ok. I now assume that Mailman got the mail that it's
> supposed to forward to everyone on the list. Right?
> The mailman configuration is:
> selinux-drift: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> selinux-drift"
> 
> /home/mailman/bin/check_perms returns "No problems
> found"
> 
> 
> The mailman logs
> 
> /home/mailman/logs/qrunner:
> Aug 25 13:43:03 2002 (13379) Could not acquire
> qrunner lock
> 
> /home/mailman/logs/post shows all sendings that
> succeeded. There's no entry from Aug 21.
> /home/mailman/logs/bounce shows no entry after Aug 18.
> 
> The most interesting is /home/mailman/logs/error. I
> attached it. The last line says:
> IOError:  [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/home/mailman/qfiles/482cxxxxxxxxxxx.db'
> 
> Seems there's something wrong with the permissions.
> 
> $ ls -ld qfiles
> drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 28672 Aug 25 23:29 qfiles/
> 
> In the qfiles directory every .db and .msg file has:
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 list mailman
> 
> Anyone have any clue what's wrong here?
> 
> Cheers,
> Tim
> 

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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

From mailman-users at imc.nl  Wed Aug 28 08:41:10 2002
From: mailman-users at imc.nl (Roelf Schreurs)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:41:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors log
Message-ID: <000801c24e5d$e56e95b0$c764a8c0@ads.intra.imc>

Hi

I get the following error in my error log.

Aug 27 10:10:10 2002 (26463) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of wrong size
Aug 27 10:10:10 2002 (26463) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 154, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
    status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 76, in process
    g(msg, unixfrom=1)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 81, in flatten
    self._write(msg)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 109, in _write
    self._dispatch(msg)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _dispatch
    main, sub = ctype.split('/')
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size

What does this mean?

Roelf
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From helmutm at cyberdev.org  Wed Aug 28 10:26:54 2002
From: helmutm at cyberdev.org (Helmut Merz)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission problems
In-Reply-To: <004c01c24e30$7af5c8c0$1401a8c0@ack>
References: <004c01c24e30$7af5c8c0$1401a8c0@ack>
Message-ID: <02082810265401.13290@merz05>

Hi David,

Am Mittwoch, 28. August 2002 03:16 schrieb David Gitman:
> I checked the mailman user crontab. I'm sure mailman it's
> running it.

and are you sure that user "mailman" is in group "mailman"? 
- I once had it in "users" (default group for new users), 
with a similar effect :-(

Helmut

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Aug 28 11:24:10 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:24:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htdig integration howto
In-Reply-To: <20020827175103.GN11277@lenin.net>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020828100029.02b2bb38@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:51 27/08/2002 -0700, curt brune wrote:
>Is there a HOWTO for integrating htdig with Mailman ?
>
>Please cc me.
>
>Cheers,
>Curt

See 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=htdig&querytype=simple&casefold=yes&req=search 
for general search suggestions.

Applied together the following two MM patches do a fairly comprehensive job 
of adding htdig search to mail archives produced by MM's internal archiver.

The second patch - 444884 - adds a file INSTALL.htdig-mm you may find useful

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Aug 28 11:30:59 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:30:59 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removal of subscriber list from web pages
In-Reply-To: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831701EA8451@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>
References: <13828F680182D511893300508BD6831701EA8451@oscex2-bu.osc.uscg.mil>
Message-ID: <20020828093059.GB16402@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Rantanen, TC1  [20020827 22:04]: wrote:
> Where can I find the entries (code) for roster/subscribe list, removal.
> 
> Even with only admins set to see subscriber list only (to much info for
> people to see), I want to take even this out of the listinfo web
> page. 

http://your.site/mailman/admin/listname

Login and configure the list. Take a good look at Privacy options.

        cheers
       - wash 
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From valen at tuatha.org  Wed Aug 28 14:17:16 2002
From: valen at tuatha.org (John P. Looney)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:17:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME after creating lists
Message-ID: <20020828121716.GD1757@jinny.ie>

  I created dozens of mailman lists on my new list server, without
changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME from 'localhost.localdomain'. 

 So now all the mail lists now say that 'localhost.localdomain' is where
their administrative UI is. Any ideas how I can change that (I've changed
it in mm_cfg.py, but that doesn't seem to affect all the lists).

 Some nice automated scripty way of changing all the config.db's would be
perfect..

John

From fan98 at gmx.net  Wed Aug 28 15:46:46 2002
From: fan98 at gmx.net (fanatic)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:46:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
Message-ID: <3D6CD446.6070300@gmx.net>

hi ppl :)

I don't know whether this is the right place to ask ... but anyway :
does any of you have a good howto to make mailman run with
postfix and debian ?

many thanx in advance
------
fan98 at gmx.net

From raquel at thericehouse.net  Wed Aug 28 17:16:06 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME after creating lists
In-Reply-To: <20020828121716.GD1757@jinny.ie>
References: <20020828121716.GD1757@jinny.ie>
Message-ID: <20020828081606.50e81e3c.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:17:16 +0100
"John P. Looney"  wrote:

>   I created dozens of mailman lists on my new list server, without
> changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME from 'localhost.localdomain'. 
> 
>  So now all the mail lists now say that 'localhost.localdomain' is
>  where
> their administrative UI is. Any ideas how I can change that (I've
> changed it in mm_cfg.py, but that doesn't seem to affect all the
> lists).
> 
>  Some nice automated scripty way of changing all the config.db's
>  would be
> perfect..
> 
> John

I was hosting some lists on one of my domains.  Later they got their
own domain and I had to move their lists over to their domain.  All
I did was to go to the first page of the web administration, almost
to the bottom of the "General Options" there are two fields, "Host
name this list prefers." and "Base URL for Mailman web interface.". 
Of course, this assumes that you have your machine set up to
send/receive mail for the new domain.

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
Silent gratitude isn't much use to anyone.
  --Gladys Browyn Stern

From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Wed Aug 28 19:54:18 2002
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:54:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
In-Reply-To: <3D6CD446.6070300@gmx.net>
References: <3D6CD446.6070300@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <34994.62.36.189.111.1030557258.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>

> I don't know whether this is the right place to ask ... but anyway :
It is.
> does any of you have a good howto to make mailman run with
> postfix and debian ?
README.postfix in Mailman sources (any *nix will do)

-- 
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Manager
Central Computing Facility
University of Malaga
SPAIN

From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 28 20:09:12 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:09:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
Message-ID: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com>

    Has anyone ever thought of some way to serialize outgoing messages?  I
realize this will probably mean one single message per user (as opposed to what
it does now, a single one per multiple recipients), however I keep seeing
requests for this.  Some way to include the user's email address in the body of
the message, or something similar.

    Is there any other method of doing this, be it an external script that does
it before handing it off to the MTA, something.  Ideas anyone?

--
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From davereed at w5sv.org  Wed Aug 28 20:08:09 2002
From: davereed at w5sv.org (David F. Reed)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:08:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME after creating lists
In-Reply-To: <20020828081606.50e81e3c.raquel@thericehouse.net>
References: <20020828121716.GD1757@jinny.ie> <20020828081606.50e81e3c.raquel@thericehouse.net>
Message-ID: <20020828180809.M55410@w5sv.org>

There is a place in the overall configuration (one of the .py scripts)
that you can change the entry of all of them...

On a RedHat 7.3 system, it is /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
On other systems, I would think a locate mailman|grep mm_cfg.py
would find it..

Edit variable DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 

Good luck; if you have a moent for it,
I am curious how you moved all the lists, archives, etc.

--Dave

David F. Reed  -> email: W5SV at arrl.net
(for pgp key: davereed at W5SV.org http://keys.pgp.com/ )

---------- Original Message -----------
From: Raquel Rice 
To: mailman-users 
Sent: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:16:06 -0700
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME after creating lists

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:17:16 +0100
> "John P. Looney"  wrote:
> 
> >   I created dozens of mailman lists on my new list server, without
> > changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME from 'localhost.localdomain'. 
> > 
> >  So now all the mail lists now say that 'localhost.localdomain' is
> >  where
> > their administrative UI is. Any ideas how I can change that (I've
> > changed it in mm_cfg.py, but that doesn't seem to affect all the
> > lists).
> > 
> >  Some nice automated scripty way of changing all the config.db's
> >  would be
> > perfect..
> > 
> > John
> 
> I was hosting some lists on one of my domains.  Later they got their
> own domain and I had to move their lists over to their domain.  All
> I did was to go to the first page of the web administration, almost
> to the bottom of the "General Options" there are two fields, "Host
> name this list prefers." and "Base URL for Mailman web interface.". 
> Of course, this assumes that you have your machine set up to
> send/receive mail for the new domain.
> 
> -- 
> Raquel
> ============================================================
> Silent gratitude isn't much use to anyone.
>   --Gladys Browyn Stern
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
------- End of Original Message -------

From listmail at gearyweb.com  Wed Aug 28 20:08:42 2002
From: listmail at gearyweb.com (Michael Geary)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:08:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
In-Reply-To: <34994.62.36.189.111.1030557258.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>
Message-ID: <2FC0F786-BAB1-11D6-AE5F-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>

Umm. There actually _isn't_ such a file in the Mailman source.

However, I have recently set up Mailman with postfix on Darwin (OS X). 
I found the instructions in the INSTALL file to be correct and helpful. 
The one tricky thing for me was that I had to place the following 
information in my /etc/aliases file:

## test mailing list
## created: 25-Aug-2002 mailman
test:                    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner 
test"
test-request:            "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

AND I had to map actual addresses to these 'users' in my 
/etc/postfix/virtual file:

test at mydomain.org               	    test
test-request@ mydomain.org         test-request
test-admin@ mydomain.org           test-admin
test-owner@ mydomain.org           test-owner

Then do the usual postmap & newaliases commands.

If things aren't working for you, what is happening?

-michael

On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 11:54 AM, Victoriano Giralt wrote:

>
>> I don't know whether this is the right place to ask ... but anyway :
> It is.
>> does any of you have a good howto to make mailman run with
>> postfix and debian ?
> README.postfix in Mailman sources (any *nix will do)

From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Wed Aug 28 20:19:31 2002
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:19:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
In-Reply-To: <2FC0F786-BAB1-11D6-AE5F-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>
References: <34994.62.36.189.111.1030557258.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>
        <2FC0F786-BAB1-11D6-AE5F-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>
Message-ID: <35022.62.36.189.111.1030558771.squirrel@vgg.sci.uma.es>

> Umm. There actually _isn't_ such a file in the Mailman source.
Yes there is, just wrong casing:
mailman-2.1b2/README.POSTFIX
I don't remember about 2.0, I've moved to 2.1b3. Amongst many other
niceties, it interfaces nicely with postfix.
-- 
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Manager
Central Computing Facility
University of Malaga
SPAIN

From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 28 21:54:23 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:54:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <3D6D2798.2DCCF851@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <3D6D2A6F.C8E05BA8@pcraft.com>

"G. Armour Van Horn" wrote:

> Those groups of multiple recipients are large - several hundred at a time. To make
> the change you suggest means multiplying your bandwidth and server requirements by
> the average size of your active lists. My most active list has 240 digest
> subscribers and 300 regular subscribers. Both appear to be handled in a single
> command. Done one at a time there would be a huge increase in CPU load and
> bandwidth, and folks at the end of a list would get their messages later than those
> at the head of the list.

    Ya, I realize all of this, however I have clients who would like, are requesting,
and generally want this type of mechanism built in.  The main reason is because many of
the subscribers no longer remember what e-mail address they used to subscribe, and
consequently don't know what to use to UNsubscribe.  Having Mailman serialize its
messages will provide a simple way for them to unsubscribe.

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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From wash at wananchi.com  Wed Aug 28 07:46:16 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:46:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + htdig integration howto
In-Reply-To: <20020827175103.GN11277@lenin.net>
References: <20020827175103.GN11277@lenin.net>
Message-ID: <20020828054616.GJ16402@ns2.wananchi.com>

* curt brune  [20020828 03:29]: wrote:
> Is there a HOWTO for integrating htdig with Mailman ?

Yes, there is, although I don't remember where it resides, but I have attached
it.

        cheers
       - wash 
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-------------- next part --------------
Installing and Using the Mailman-htdig Integration
==================================================

This patch:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

Contents
========

Prereqisites
Compatibility
History
Introduction
Installing and Building Mailman with this patch
What is Installed by the Patch
Configuration of Mailman-htdig Integration
    Health Warning on the packet!
    Starting from Scratch (Again)
    General
    htdig Permissions Considerations
    Local htdig Configuration
    Remote htdig Configuration
    Upgrading an Existing Standard Mailman Installation
    Changing from local to remote htdig or vice versa
    Coping with htdig Upgrades
    Changing the Addressing Scheme of your web_page_url
Operational Information
Notes and Warnings
Contributors
Appendices
    Appendix 1 -Technique for htdigging when Mailman's DEFAULT_URL uses the
    https 

Prerequisites
============

Prior to installing this patch you should also have installed the patch that 
provides enhanced indexing of Mailman archives see:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

You must have a working installation of htdig with htsearch available via CGI on 
your HTTP server installed on either the machine on which you are running 
Mailman or on another machine which has access to Mailman list archives via NFS 
or some similarly competent network file sharing scheme.

Regardless of how you configure things to provide Mailman's Web UI, if its gives 
normal operation of the /mailman/private CGI script for providing access to 
private list archives, it should also support access to htdig search results via 
the /mailman/htdig CGI script.

Compatibility
=============

htdig-2.0.12-0.1.patch - Mailman 2.0.12

htdig-2.0.11-0.1.patch - Mailman 2.0.11

htdig-2.0.10-0.2.patch - Mailman 2.0.10

htdig-2.0.10-0.1.patch - Mailman 2.0.10

htdig-2.0.9-0.1.patch - Mailman 2.0.9

htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch - Mailman 2.0.8, 2.0.7, 2.0.6 and probably 2.0.3, 2.0.4
and 2.0.5

History
=======

Previous versions - original versions of this patch provided most of the 
features described here with the main exception being support for remote htdig, 
that is running htdig on a different system to Mailman. They were also baked in 
some configuration assumptions, which are now configurable.

htdig-2.0.12-0.1.patch - latest version:

    1. Rebuilt patch to get no-comment application on Mailman 2.0.12

    2. Added HTDIG_EXTRAS facility to allow arbitrary htdig configuration
       parameters to be specified for addition to every htdig.conf file
       created i.e. site wide additions. See comments below on the use of
       HTDIG_EXTRAS.

htdig-2.0.11-0.1.patch:

    1. No substantive change. Simply rebuilt patch to get no-comment application
       on Mailman 2.0.11

htdig-2.0.10-0.2.patch:

    1. Python 2.2 compatibility fixes to nightly_htdig cron script and its
       relatives. Doing import * inside a function removed.

    2. Added note on potential problems with htdig and file permissions.

htdig-2.0.10-0.1.patch:

    1. change in src/Makefile.in to get clean patch application to MM 2.0.10

htdig-2.0.9-0.1.patch:

    1. minor cosmetic changes to get clean patch application to MM 2.0.9

htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch:

    1. resolves a problem with the integration of htdig when the web_page_url
for a list, which is usually the same as DEFAULT_URL from either
$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, doesn't use the http
addressing scheme. This arises because htdig will only build indices if the URLs
for pages use the http addressing scheme. There is a work-around for this
problem posted in htdig's mail archives - see the copy in Appendix 1 to this
document.

    2. This patch revision implements the solution documented in that e-mail. If
non-http URLs are used by the web_page_url of a list an additional htdig
configuration file for use by htsearch is generated.

    3. In all other respects the operation of the Mailman-htdig integration
remains unchanged. There is no benefit in upgrading to this revised patch unless
you need to use other than http addressing in your DEFAULT_URL or set other than
http addressing in the web_page_url configuration of any of your lists.

    4. If changing to or from a non-http addressing scheme then the per list
htdig config files of the lists affected and their associated htdig indices must
be reconstructed. See the section below entitled 'Changing the Addressing Scheme
of your web_page_url' for details of how to do this.

htdig-2.0.6-0.3.patch:

    1. adds support for remote htdig, that is: running htdig on a different 
system to Mailman.

    2. enhances the configurability of the integration. Some of the programmed 
assumptions made in previous versions are now configurable in mm_cfg.py. The 
configuration variables concerned default to the previous fixed values so 
that this version is backwards compatible with earlier versions.

    3. does some minor cosmetic code changes.

    4. extends the associated documentation.

Introduction
============

This integration enables use of the htdig (http://www.htdig.org) search engine 
for searching mail list archives produced by pipermail, Mailman's built-in 
archiver.

You can use htdig without applying these patches to Mailman but you may find it 
awkward to achieve some of the features offered by this patch.

The main features of the patch are:

    1. per list search facility with a search form on each list's TOC page. 

    2. maintenance of privacy of private archives. The user has to establish 
their credentials via the normal private archive access mechanism before any 
access via htdig is allowed. 

    3. a common base URL for both public and private archive access via htsearch 
results. This means that htdig indices are unaffected by changing an archive 
from private to public and vice versa. All access to archives via htdig is 
controlled by a wrapped CGI script called htdig.py.

    4. Choice of running htdig on the machine running Mailman (aka local htdig) 
or running htdig on another machine which has access to Mailman's archives 
via NFS or some similarly competent network file sharing scheme (aka remote 
htdig).

    5. cron activated scripts and crontab entry to run htdig regularly to 
maintain the per list search indices. 

    6. automatic creation, deletion and maintenance of htdig configuration files 
and such. Beyond installing htdig and telling Mailman where it is via mm_cfg 
you do not have to do much other setup.

Installing and Building Mailman with this patch
==============================================

Create your Mailman build directory in the normal way.

You can apply the patch to either a fresh expansion of the Mailman source 
distribution or the one you used to build a currently working Mailman 
installation.

Execute the following command in the Mailman build directory:

    patch -p1 < htdig-2.0.8-0.1.patch

Follow the configure and make procedures for regular Mailman as given in the 
$build/INSTALL file

Then follow the Mailman-htdig configuration instructions given below.

What is Installed by the Patch
==============================

The patch amends:
----------------

$prefix/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py

    the changes in this file set up the per list htdig stuff such as config 
    files and adds the search forms to the list TOC pages.

$build/Mailman/Defaults.py.in

    adds the default configuration variables needed to support the mailman-htdig 
    integration

$build/cron/crontab.in.in

    adds the nightly_htdig cron script to the default crontab

$build/Makefile.in
$build/cron/Makefile.in
$build/src/Makefile.in
$build/bin/Makefile.in

    necessary changes to Makefiles used for installing Mailman

The patch adds:
--------------

$prefix/cgi-bin/htdig
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py

    these are a CGI script and its wrapper, which is always on the path of URLs 
    returned from searches of htdig indices. The script provides secure access 
    to such URLs in the same way that the $prefix/cgi-bin/private and 
    $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py. htdig.py ensures private archives are kept 
    private, applying the same criteria for permitting access as private.py, 
    and delivering material from public archives without demanding any 
    authentication. 

$prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig

    this is a utility script for removing per list htdig data, e.g. the config 
    file and indices/db files. This is necessary when:

        a. ceasing use of the Mailman-htdig integration

        b. moving from local to remote htdig or vice-versa

        c. upgrading to a version of htdig which has an incompatible
           index/db file format

        d. changing the addressing scheme (http versus https) in the
           web_page_url configuration variable of a list

$prefix/cron/nightly_htdig
$prefix/cron/remote_nightly_htdig
$prefix/cron/remote_nightly_htdig_noshare
$prefix/cron/remote_nightly_htdig.pl

    These scripts all do the same thing; they can be installed as a cron task 
    and run regularly to invoke htdig's rundig script to update mailing list 
    search indices. Only one of these scripts is used, the choice of which 
    depending on your system configuration.

    nightly_htdig is used where Mailman and htdig run on the same system.

    the remote_... scripts are used where Mailman and htdig live on different 
    systems. You choose which one suits your needs best:

        remote_nightly_htdig uses the same python files on both systems, that is 
        the same .py and .pyc files are accessed, and it hence depends on 
        compatible bytecode between the Mailman system and htdig system. It also 
        accesses Mailman data files and depends on compatibility of data files 
        contents, for example pickled python values. This should work OK if the 
        same version of python is being run on both systems even where the 
        systems are not heterogeneous, for example one is Sun/Solaris and the 
        other is PC/Linux.

        remote_nightly_htdig_noshare shares no python files between the two 
        systems. While it is still written in python it but acquires information 
        from the file system using directory listings and stat operations.

        remote_nightly_htdig.pl is a rewrite of remote_nightly_htdig_noshare in 
        Perl. It is for use where the htdig system does not have python 
        available on it: in which case, shame on you.

$prefix/cgi-bin/updateTOC
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/updateTOC.py

    these are a CGI script and its wrapper, for use where Mailman and htdig 
    live on different systems. The script is a work-around for the problem of 
    using remote_nightly_htdig, remote_nightly_htdig_noshare or 
    remote_nightly_htdig.pl which precludes these scripts from directly updating 
    the TOC page of each archived list. Instead, these scripts call this CGI 
    script to do that for them. This CGI script will not operate when entered as 
    a URL from a browser.

Configuration of Mailman-htdig Integration
==========================================

Configuration of the Mailman-htdig integration is carried out on the Mailman 
side. While you must have to hand some information about your htdig 
installation, you should not have to tinker with htdig for the integration to 
work.

Most of the configuration of the integration is done by values assigned to 
python variables in either $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or 
$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

If you opt to run htdig on a different machine or under a different HTTP server 
to the one running the HTTP server which provides Mailman's Web UI you will also 
have to edit whichever of the patch's three htdig related cron scripts you opt 
to run (remote_nightly_htdig, remote_nightly_htdig_noshare, or 
remote_nightly_htdig.pl) to add a small amount of configuration information.

Health Warning on the packet!
-----------------------------

Be careful when editing configuration information in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cg.py: 
the only Mailman config file you should be editing. Check, double check and then 
recheck before going ahead. If you get either variable names or their values 
wrong a lot of confusion in the operation of both Mailman and htdig can result. 
You (and others supporting you) can spend hours trying to identify problems and 
looking for non-existent bugs as a consequence of such editing errors. Expect to 
find errors in these instructions; compensate for them and tell me when you do 
(r.barrett at ftel.co.uk).

Also do read the htdig documentation, release notes etc. This patch integrates a 
working htdig with htsearch available through CGI. These notes are about Mailman 
and integrating it with that working htdig. It is up to you to sort out the 
htdig end of things.

Starting from Scratch (Again)
-----------------------------

This is getting ahead of things but some of you may already be asking "What if 
I've already been using an older version of this patch and want to start 
afresh", or "I want to change from local to remote htdig or vice versa"

In these cases your friend will be the $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig script. It 
removes existing htdig related stuff out of your Mailman installation to the 
extent that it was added by this patch and added to by the normal operation of 
pipermail and nightly_htdig. With that removed and a revised Mailman 
configuration, the patched code will start rebuilding the htdig data.

But before you get carried away with blow_away_htdig, read the rest of these 
notes.

General
-------
This patch adds a number of default variables to the file 
$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py that affect operation of the Mailman-htdig 
integration. These are in addition to the standard Mailman defaults in that 
file. If, in the light of what is said below, you decide any of these are 
incorrect, you can override them in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py [NOT IN 
Defaults.py! See the comments in Defaults.py for details].

By default the Mailman-htdig integration is NOT ENABLED by the installation of 
this patch; a default variable in Defaults.py turns off the operation of the 
integration. You have to actively override that default in mm_cfg.py to turn on 
operation of the integration.

Once a list is created, changing most of these variables will have either no 
effect or a bad effect. You will need to run $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig script 
and/or $prefix/bin/arch to rebuild the archive pages if you make significant 
changes to the Mailman-htdig integration configuration variables.

The install process will not overwrite an existing mm_cfg.py file so you can 
freely make changes to this file. If you are re-installing a later version of 
this patch you may have to change what is already configured in the existing 
file and, if necessary, add extra configuration variables to it.

Most of the Mailman-htdig control variables default to sensible values which you 
will not need to change, especially if you are using local htdig. The semantics 
of most variables apply to both local and remote htdig operation but with some 
the values assigned will depend on whether htdig is viewing things from the same 
or a remote machine.

The first two variables control what is indexed by htdig. The values assigned 
are both embedded in the HTML generated by pipermail in the list archives and 
added. Changing the values of these variables will mean that all previously 
generated HTML pages in list archives will be out of date and you will probably 
want to rebuild existing archives using $prefix/bin/arch:

ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE

    defines a string telling htdig that it should look at the following material 
    when building it indices.

    Default: ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE = ''

ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE

    defines a string telling htdig that it not should not look at the following 
    material when building it indices.

    Default: ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE = ''

USE_HTDIG - Semantics 0 - don't use integrated htdig, 1 - use it

    turns Mailman-htdig integration on or off.

    Defaults: USE_HTDIG = 0

    Notes:

    1. when USE_HTDIG is turned on the patched code in Mailman will start adding 
       htdig stuff for any archiving-enabled mail lists as new posts for each
       list are handled by Mailman. Until a new post is made after enabling with 
       USE_HTDIG an existing mail list's archive will not be htdig searchable.
       When the new post is handled:

        a. the list's personalised htdig config file is created 

        b. necessary links to the htdig config file are created 

        c. a search form is added to the TOC page for the list

       Even with this done, htdig searches only become available when htdig
       indices are constructed. This is done when one or other of the patch's
       htdig related cron scripts are run (nightly_htdig, remote_nightly_htdig, 
       remote_nightly_htdig_noshare, or remote_nightly_htdig.pl, depending on
       how you configure your system). These can be run from the command line
       ahead of their scheduled cron time to get htdig searches operational.

    2. Turning USE_HTDIG off will not remove htdig indices or search forms from 
       existing archive-enabled lists. It will however stop htdig features from 
       being added to newly created lists. If you want to eliminate htdig from
       your existing lists then use the  $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig script.

HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL

    this is the URL path that equates to the wrapper $prefix/cgi-bin/htdig which 
    controls access to the $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py script.

    Default: HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/htdig'

    It is highly unlikely that you will want to change from the default value 
    unless you are also changing other variables such as PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL 
    because of some non-standard installation decisions on your part.

HTDIG_SEARCH_URL

    this is the URL of the htsearch CGI program part of the htdig package. 

    Default: HTDIG_SEARCH_URL = '/cgi-bin/htsearch'

    The default assumes a single HTTP server providing access to htdig and to 
    Mailman's web UI are on the Mailman machine and htsearch has been installed 
    in the HTTP server's cgi-bin directory. This value will depend on your htdig 
    installation decisions and HTTP server configuration files (typically 
    /etc/httpd/httpd.conf on a late model Apache installation) i.e the 
    ScriptAlias through which the htsearch CGI program is reached.

HTDIG_FILES_URL

    this is the URL of the directory containing various HTML and Graphics files 
    installed by htdig; files such as buttonr.gif, buttonl.gif and 
    button1-10.gif. The URL must end with a '/'.

    Default: HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdig/'

    The default assumes the HTTP servers providing access to htdig and to 
    Mailman's web UI are on the same machine and a symbolic link called 'htdig' 
    has been put into your HTTP server's top level HTML directory which points 
    to the directory your htdig install has put the actual files into; this link 
    is often to /usr/share/htdig. This value will depend on your htdig 
    installation decisions and HTTP server's configuration files (typically 
    /etc/httpd/httpd.conf on a late model Apache installation) i.e the Alias 
    through which the link to the htdig files are reached.

HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR

    this is the name of a directory in which links to list specific htdig config 
    files are placed. 

    Default: HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'archives', 'htdig')

    The VAR_PREFIX of the default is resolved to an actual file system path when 
    when Mailman's 'make install' is run. The 'os.path.join' creates a full file 
    system path by gluing together the three pieces when Mailman is run. This 
    definition puts the directory alongside the default PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR 
    and PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR. Unless you are changing the value of these 
    variables you probably do not want to change HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR.

HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH

    this is the path in you file system to the rundig shell script that is 
    installed as part of htdig. This tells one or other of the patch's htdig 
    related cron scripts (nightly_htdig and remote_nightly_htdig) where to find 
    rundig in order that they can execute it.

    Default: HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig'

HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK

    the value of this is the name of a symbolic link you must create in the 
    directory where htdig expects to find its configuration files. The target of 
    this link is the directory whose path is the value of HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR. 
    The value of this variable is embedded in the per list search forms in each 
    list's TOC page generated by the patched code, where it tells htsearch where 
    to find the list's htdig config file.

    Default: HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'

REMOTE_HTDIG - Semantics 0 - htdig runs on local machine, 1 -on remote machine

    says whether htdig is run on the same machine as Mailman or on another 
    machine. 

    Default: REMOTE_HTDIG = 0

REMOTE_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR

    only relevant if REMOTE_HTDIG = 1. It is the file system path to the 
    directory in which Mailman stores private archives, as seen by the machine 
    running htdig. 

    Default: REMOTE_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR =  = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX,
    'archives', 'private')

    The VAR_PREFIX of the default is resolved to an actual file system path when 
    when Mailman's 'make install' is run. The 'os.path.join' creates a full file 
    system path by gluing together the three pieces when Mailman is run. If you 
    assign a value to this in mm_cfg.pfg, just put the relevant explicit file 
    system path in.

HTDIG_EXTRAS

    You can assign a string value to this config variable and that string will
    be included in all of your site's list specific htidg configuration files
    when they are created. The value of the string can be any attribute 
    declarations as defined at http://www.htdig.org/confindex.html.

    Be cautious in what you do with this. Most sites will not need to use
    this at all. But if you have some idiosyncratic htdig installation it
    might help overcome problems in integrating with Mailman. If you think
    you need to use it I suggest:

    1. You try creating a test list without assigning a value to HTDIG_EXTRAS
       in  $prefix/Mailman/mm.cfg.py

    2. Enable archiving for that test list.

    3. Send a message to the test list so that its archive is created 
       together with its htdig configuration file.

    4. Review the content of the list's htdig conf file in 
       $prefix/archives/private//htdig/.conf. 

    5. You will see where the default value of HTDIG_EXTRAS from 
       $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py has been inserted. This value is only
       an htdig comment and does nothing.

    6. Consider whether what you will assign to HTDIG_EXTRAS in  
       $prefix/Mailman/mm.cfg.py will make sense in the context of the rest
       of the htdig conf file's contents.

htdig Permissions Considerations
------------------------------------

Python scripts added by this patch (nightly_htdig and its relatives) run the 
htdig rundig script identified by HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to build search indices
for Mailman archives. Code added by this patch generates per list htdig 
configuration files which are passed as a parameter to the rundig script. 
These configuration files identify a list specific directory 
($prefix/archives/private//htdig) in which list specific data files 
generated by and used by htdig are to be placed.

However, the rundig script identified by HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH may attempt to 
generate some files in htdig's COMMON_DIR when it is first run by nightly_htdig;
the files concerned are likely to be root2word.db, word2root.db, synonyms.db and
possibly some others generated by htidg's htfuzzy program. The standard rundig 
script generates these files selectively if they do not already exist. Depending 
on how you have installed htdig and how the rundig script is first run, there 
may be a permissions problem when nightly_hdig executes rundig under the mailman
UID if it tries to generate these files.

You may need to either give the mailman UID write permission over htdig's
COMMON_DIR or, before the nightly_htdig script is first run, run htdig's htfuzzy
executable with a sufficiently privileged UID in the manner that the rundig script 
would run htfuzzy, to create any necessary files in COMMON_DIR. 

See htdig's documentation for further information on this topic.

Local htdig Configuration
-------------------------

This configuration is for when you are running Mailman, htdig, the HTTP server 
used to provide Mailman's web UI and htdig's htsearch CGI script, on the same 
machine.

You will need to:  

    1. Set up a symbolic link in the directory where htdig expects to find its 
       configuration files; this depends on how you configured and installed
       htdig but it is usually the directory containing htdig's default
       htdig.conf file. The target of this link is the directory whose path is
       assigned as the value of HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR. The name of the link must
       be same as the value you assign to HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK. For example, use
       the command:

        ln -s /home/mailman/archives/htdig /etc/htdig-mailman

    2. If different to the default value, add the definition of 
       HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK to file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

    3. If different to the default value, add the definition of 
       HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

    4. Add the definition of USE_HTDIG with the value 1 to 
       $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

        USE_HTDIG = 1

If necessary you can override the values of any of the other configuration 
variables in file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. In particular you might need to 
change the following URL variables from their defaults: HTDIG_SEARCH_URL and 
HTDIG_FILES_URL.

These URLs can be just the path i.e. absolute URL on the same server as that 
which serves Mailman's Web UI, or a full URL identifying the protocol (http), 
server, server port and path, for example 
http://mailer.your.com:8080/cgi-bin/htdig/htsearch.

Remote htdig Configuration
--------------------------

This configuration is for when you are running htdig and an HTTP server 
providing access to htsearch on a different machine to that running Mailman and 
the HTTP server used to provide Mailman's web interface.

For this configuration to work, htdig's programs, both those run from command 
lines such as rundig and those run via CGI such as htsearch, must be able to see 
Mailman archives through NFS. In the examples below we'll assume that 
/mnt/mailman-archives on the htdig machine maps to $prefix/mailman/archives on 
the Mailman machine.

You should also arrange for he mailman UID and its GID to be common to both 
machines. Remember that when rundig is called on the htdig machine to produce 
search indices for each list it will be trying to write those files via NFS in 
Mailman's archive area and will thus need to run with an appropriate identity 
and permissions.

The differences between the local and remote configuration are:

    1. configuration values telling htdig where to find files are as viewed from 
       the remote machine.

    2. configuration values giving URLs that refer to htdiggy things have to be 
       as viewed from the Mailman machine.

You will need to:  

    1. Set up a symbolic link in the directory where htdig expects to find its 
       configuration files; this depends on how you configured and installed
       htdig but it is usually the directory containing htdig's default
       htdig.conf file. The target of this link is the directory whose path is
       assigned as the value of HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR as seen from the remote
       machine running htdig. The name of the link must be same as the value you
       assign to HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK. For example, use the command:

        ln -s /mnt/mailman-archives/htdig /etc/htdig-mailman

    2. Add the definition of HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK to file 
       $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. For example:

        HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'

    3. Add the definition of HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH to file 
       $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. This is path to rundig on the remote machine 
       running htdig. For example:

        HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/bin/rundig'

    4. Add the definition of HTDIG_SEARCH_URL to file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
       This must be a full URL referring to the htsearch CGI program on the
       remote htdig machine, as seen from the Mailman local machine. For
       example:

        HTDIG_SEARCH_URL = 'http://htdiggy.your.com/cgi-bin/htsearch'

    5. Add the definition of HTDIG_FILES_URL to file $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. 
       This must be a full URL referring to the directory containing htdig files
       on the remote htdig machine as seen from the Mailman local machine. This
       URL must end with a '/'. For example:

        HTDIG_FILES_URL = 'http://htdiggy.your.com/htdig/'

    6. Add the definition of REMOTE_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR to 
       $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. This must be the absolute file system path to
       the directory in which Mailman stores private archives as seen by the
       machine running htdig. For example:

        REMOTE_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR = '/mnt/mailman-archives/private'

    7. Add the definition of USE_HTDIG with the value 1 to 
       $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

        USE_HTDIG = 1

    8. Add the definition of REMOTE_HTDIG with the value 1 to 
       $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

        REMOTE_HTDIG = 1

You have to choose one of the three remote_nightly_htdig scripts found in 
$prefix/cron - remote_nightly_htdig, remote_nightly_htdig_noshare and 
remote_nightly_htdig.pl - and transfer it to the htdig machine. See above under 
heading "What is Installed by the Patch/What the patch adds" for an explanation 
of the differences between these scripts, which all do the same basic job. You 
should add the script to the crontab for the mailman UID on the htdig machine. 
But first you need to edit the selected script to add some configuration 
information. What has to be added depends on which script you opt to use. In 
each case the variables concerned are declared near the top of the script and 
you just have to enter the appropriate values:

    remote_nightly_htdig
        you only need to set the value of the python variable MAILMAN_PATH to be 
        the directory $prefix as seen from the htdig machine. The whole Mailman 
        installation must be accessible via NFS in order to use this script.

    remote_nightly_htdig_noshare
        you need to copy the values for the following configuration 
        variables from either $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or 
        $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py to the script: DEFAULT_URL, 
        REMOTE_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR, HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH. The variables 
        declared in remote_nightly_htdig_noshare use the same names. This script 
        only requires that the archives directory of the Mailman installation be 
        accessible via NFS.

        Note: DEFAULT_URL is not a Mailman-htdig integration specific
        configuration variable. In most installations DEFAULT_URL is setup
        automatically by the 'make install' in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and
        not usually overridden in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. You should find it
        defined near the top of Defaults.py.

    remote_nightly_htdig.pl
        you need to copy the values for the following configuration 
        variables from either $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or 
        $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py to the script: DEFAULT_URL, 
        REMOTE_PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR, HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH. Being a Perl script, 
        the variables in remote_nightly_htdig.pl use the same names but prefixed 
        with the '$' character. This script only requires that the archives 
        directory of the Mailman installation be accessible via NFS.

        Note 1: DEFAULT_URL is not a Mailman-htdig integration specific
        configuration variable. In most installations DEFAULT_URL is setup
        automatically by the 'make install' in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and
        not usually overridden in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. You should find it
        defined near the top of  Defaults.py

        Note 2: You may need to change the '#! /usr/bin/env perl' on the first
        line of this script if that doesn't find your Perl executable. You may
        also need to verify the Perl packages used by this script are installed
        on your system.

As with the nightly_htdig script when running with local htdig, these scripts 
can be run from the command line using the mailman UID in order to  get htdig to 
construct an initial set of indices.

Upgrading an Existing Standard Mailman Installation
---------------------------------------------------

You will want to suspend operation of Mailman while doing the upgrade. Consider 
doing a shutdown of the MTA delivering mail to Mailman and removing Mailman's 
crontab.

Configure and install as described above.

Restart Mailman's crontab and restart your MTA's delivery to Mailman.

If your installation already has archives:

    1. Send a message to each of your archive-enabled lists. This will stimulate 
       the setup of the new per list htdig config files in the Mailman archives.

    2. Consider rebuilding your existing archives with $prefix/bin/arch. This 
       will embed the ARCHIVE_INDEXING_ENABLE and ARCHIVE_INDEXING_DISABLE in
       the regenerated archive pages and, after nightly_htdig has been run, give 
       improved search results.

    3. Run the nightly_htdig script from the command line to generate a new set 
       of per list htdig search indices.

Changing from local to remote htdig or vice versa
-------------------------------------------------

You will want to suspend operation of Mailman while making this change. Consider 
doing a shutdown of the MTA delivering mail to Mailman and removing Mailman's 
crontab.

Run the $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig script to remove all existing per list htdig 
config files and htdig indices/db files.

Configure per the instructions above for the local or remote target.

Restart Mailman's crontab and restart your MTA's delivery to Mailman.

Send a message to each of your archive-enabled lists. This will stimulate the 
set up of the new per list htdig config files in Mailman archives.

Run the nightly_htdig script from the command line to generate a new set of per 
list htdig search indices.

Coping with htdig Upgrades
--------------------------

If you change the version of htdig you run, you may find that the indices built 
with the ealier version are not compatible with the newer version of htdig's 
programs. In that case do the following:

    1. You will want to suspend operation of Mailman while making this change. 
       Consider doing a shutdown of the MTA delivering mail to Mailman and
       removing Mailman's crontab.

    2. Run the $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig script with the -i flag to remove all 
       existing per list htdig indices/db files.

    3. Restart Mailman's crontab and restart your MTA's delivery to Mailman.

    4. Run the nightly_htdig script from the command line to generate new sets
       of per list htdig search indices.

Changing the Addressing Scheme of your web_page_url
---------------------------------------------------

If you change the addressing scheme of the web_page_url for a list to or from
http then you will need to rebuild the list's htdig configuration file(s) and
the related htdig indices. Do the following:

    1. You may want to suspend operation of Mailman while making this change. 
       Consider doing a shutdown of the MTA delivering mail to Mailman and
       removing Mailman's crontab.

    2. Run the $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig script to remove all existing per
       list htdig material for the list(s) concerned.

    3. Restart Mailman's crontab and restart your MTA's delivery to Mailman.

    4. Send a message to each affected list to provoke reconstruction of the
       list's htdig config file(s).

    5. Run the nightly_htdig script from the command line to generate new sets
       of per list htdig search indices.

Operational Information
=======================

If you have just turned USE_HTDIG on or just used $prefix/bin/blow_away_htdig 
(without the -i flag) there will initially be no per list htdig information 
saved in the archives.

When the first post to each archive-enabled list is archived by pipermail, the 
per list htdig config file will be constructed and some directories and links 
added to your Mailman archive directories. The htdig search form will be added 
to list's TOC page. 

However, until one of the nightly_htdig scripts is run no htdig indices will be 
constructed. You can either wait for the script to run as a cron job or run it 
(while using the mailman UID) from the command line.

Notes and Warnings
==================

Redhat 7.1 and 7.2 installations:

    If you install htdig from the htdig-3.2.0 binary rpm of RH7.1/2 Binary CD 1 
    of 2 you also have to install the htdig-web-3.2.0 binary rpm. This may be 
    from RH 7.1/2 Binary CD 2 of 2 or CD 1 of 2 depending on whether you are 
    using actual CDs or downloaded CD images.

Apache/htdig issues

    The htsearch CGI script part of htdig and some associated HTML and graphics
    file must be accessible via you web server and the Mailman configuration
    variables HTDIG_SEARCH_URL and HTDIG_FILES_URL setup accordingly. Depending
    on how you install htdig and Apache you may need to add Alias and/or
    ScriptAlias directives to you Apache configuration file to make the htdig
    components accessible. Check the Apache and htdig documentation.

Contributors
============

Original author and  maintainer: Richard Barrett - r.barrett at ftel.co.uk

Past bug fixes: Nigel Metheringham 

Testers: Mark T. Valites ,
         Rehan van der Merwe 

Appendices
==========

Appendix 1 -Technique for htdigging when Mailman's DEFAULT_URL uses the https 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

A technique for htdigging when Mailman's DEFAULT_URL uses the https addressing scheme
is described in this archived e-mail: http://www.htdig.org/mail/1999/10/0187.html

The text of that e-mail is as follows:

[htdig] Re: Help about htdig indexing https files

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gilles Detillieux (grdetil at scrc.umanitoba.ca)
Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:18:31 -0500 (CDT) 

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In reply to: Torsten Neuer: "Re: Fw: [htdig] mutiple search results" 

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According to Edouard DESSIOUX: 
> >Currently, htdig will not support URLs that begin with https://, even when 
> >using local_urls to bypass the server. A trick that might work would be 
> >to index using http:// instead, but use local_urls to point to the directory 
> >that contains the contents of the secure server. 
> 
> I used that, and now, when i use htsearch, it work, except the fact 
> that all my URL are http://x.y.z/ instead of https://x.y.z/ 
> 
> >You'd need to use separate 
> >configuration files for digging and searching, and use url_part_aliases in 
> >each of these configuration files to rewrite the http:// into https:// in the 
> >search results. 
> 
> This is the part i dont understand, and i would like you to explain. 

It basically works as a search and replace. One url_part_aliases in the 
configuration file used by htdig maps the http://x.y.z/ into some special 
code like "*site", and another url_part_aliases in the configuration file 
used by htsearch maps the "*site" back into the value you want, i.e. 
https://x.y.z/. The substitution is left to right in htdig, and right to 
left in htsearch. So, if you use the same config file for both, or the 
same setting for both, you get back what you started with (but saved some 
space in the database because of the encoding). However, if you use two 
separate config files with different url_part_aliases setting for htdig 
and htsearch, you can remap parts of URLs from one substring to another. 

I hope this makes things clearer. I thought the current description 
at http://www.htdig.org/attrs.html#url_part_aliases was already quite clear. 

-- 
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From raul at ulinx.dnsalias.net  Wed Aug 28 15:41:46 2002
From: raul at ulinx.dnsalias.net (raul-ulinx)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:41:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman - postfix howto
Message-ID: <3D6CD31A.5050200@ulinx.dnsalias.net>

hi ppl :)

I don't know whether this is the right place to ask ... but anyway :
does any of you have a good howto to make mailman run with
postfix ?

many thanx in advance
------
fan98 at gmx.net

From Dan.Mick at sun.com  Wed Aug 28 20:17:47 2002
From: Dan.Mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:17:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix howto
References: <2FC0F786-BAB1-11D6-AE5F-003065B85DAA@gearyweb.com>
Message-ID: <3D6D13CB.4050201@sun.com>

That's true.  It's called README.POSTFIX.

Michael Geary wrote:
> Umm. There actually _isn't_ such a file in the Mailman source.

>> README.postfix in Mailman sources (any *nix will do)

From ewaldchen at globalcomputer.com  Wed Aug 28 22:58:23 2002
From: ewaldchen at globalcomputer.com (Waldchen, Erick (VIPTechSprt))
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:58:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive stats
Message-ID: <97BB32FD26B4D311B1010090276AE3E602A8F001@CWEXCHANGESVR01>

Thank you for the very excellent Mailman.  It's been rock-solid for the past
5 months I've been using it.  My only wish is for a way to generate
statistics on list how the list is being used. (top posters, top subjects,
top posting times, etc.) My users really get into the "numbers" thing, if
you know what I mean ;)  If I was a programmer I would try to write
something that parses the archives and would generate an HTML stats page,
but I don't have the skills for something like that.  Does such a program
exist for Mailman? I've searched extensively online but haven't found
anything yet.  Thanks for your time,

Sincerely,

Erick Waldchen

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From barry at python.org  Wed Aug 28 23:42:13 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:42:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner  writes:

    AMK>     Has anyone ever thought of some way to serialize outgoing
    AMK> messages?  I realize this will probably mean one single
    AMK> message per user (as opposed to what it does now, a single
    AMK> one per multiple recipients), however I keep seeing requests
    AMK> for this.  Some way to include the user's email address in
    AMK> the body of the message, or something similar.

    AMK>     Is there any other method of doing this, be it an
    AMK> external script that does it before handing it off to the
    AMK> MTA, something.  Ideas anyone?

How about the personalization support that's already in MM2.1?

-Barry

From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Thu Aug 29 00:08:00 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com>

Barry,

According to the website, 2.1 is a beta program not to be installed for
production use. Half my listss (and my most active list) are things I
volunteered to do for various reasons. But I do have a number of lists that I am
paid to host, which, by my lights, means that this is a production use.

Therefore, I quickly scan messages related to 2.1b3 and occasionally lust after
one or more features, but I'm not installing it. Are you suggesting now that 2.1
can be put in production?

What I'm hearing is that 2.1b3 seems actually to be running for a lot of folks,
some of them clearly with much larger installations than mine. If that's the
case, why don't you roll it out? Obviously you still have the ability to issue
patches, as you continue to do with 2.0. Personally, I'd just as soon upgrade to
2.1 as to make the final leap from 2.0.12 with the 2.0.13 candidate patch to the
actual 2.0.13. I'm brave enough for that, I think.

But not until you say so!

Van

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:

> >>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner  writes:
>
>     AMK>     Has anyone ever thought of some way to serialize outgoing
>     AMK> messages?  I realize this will probably mean one single
>     AMK> message per user (as opposed to what it does now, a single
>     AMK> one per multiple recipients), however I keep seeing requests
>     AMK> for this.  Some way to include the user's email address in
>     AMK> the body of the message, or something similar.
>
>     AMK>     Is there any other method of doing this, be it an
>     AMK> external script that does it before handing it off to the
>     AMK> MTA, something.  Ideas anyone?
>
> How about the personalization support that's already in MM2.1?
>
> -Barry
>
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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Aug 29 00:19:01 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:19:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modifying user html pages
Message-ID: <002f01c24ee0$e931efc0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

I want to customize the Subscribe Results page for a particular list.
Mostlly all I want to do is remove the part about posting messages, as this
list is for announcements from one person. When I look at the subscribe.html
file, I see the fields like this:

Where are these and how can I get access to them? I could just write over
these completely with the html that I want, but I just want to modify it a
bit.

Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us

From sead at arraycomm.com  Thu Aug 29 00:32:45 2002
From: sead at arraycomm.com (Sead Mujushi)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:32:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-member postings to list automatically rejected howto? (again)
Message-ID: <2515076729.1030548765@[172.16.1.93]>

Hi guys,

this is an implementation question.  I've posted it earlier
but never got a reply.

How can I configure a list so that postings from non-members are
automatically rejected with no action required on my part as an
administrator?

A list administrator needs to "tend to administrative" requests
for every message, including those that are not from members
and are rejected (which usually come from spammers due to the
name of the list).

From alex at phred.org  Thu Aug 29 00:35:20 2002
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-member postings to list automatically rejected
 howto? (again)
In-Reply-To: <2515076729.1030548765@[172.16.1.93]>
Message-ID: <20020828153414.A759-100000@phred.org>

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Sead Mujushi wrote:
> How can I configure a list so that postings from non-members are
> automatically rejected with no action required on my part as an
> administrator?

In Mailman-2.0.x you can't without making changes to the source
code.  I don't know of any public patches for doing this, but
you might find them on sourceforge.

I understand that 2.1 has this as a base feature.

alex

From william+mm at hq.newdream.net  Thu Aug 29 00:52:14 2002
From: william+mm at hq.newdream.net (Will Yardley)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:52:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman postfix howto
In-Reply-To: <3D6CD446.6070300@gmx.net>
References: <3D6CD446.6070300@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20020828225214.GS27931@hq.newdream.net>

fanatic wrote:

> I don't know whether this is the right place to ask ... but anyway :
> does any of you have a good howto to make mailman run with
> postfix and debian ?

apt-get install postfix
apt-get install mailman

works out of the box for me :>
(just put the aliases in /etc/aliases)

-- 
Will Yardley
input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . >

From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Aug 29 01:13:02 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:13:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3D6D58FE.98019AF9@pcraft.com>

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:

> How about the personalization support that's already in MM2.1?

    As "G. Armour Van Horn"  pointed out, everything on
the website points to 2.1 still being beta, and I can't use that on my
production server(s), nor my client's for that matter.  If you're saying that
2.1b3 is actually stable, that's a different matter.  I'd like to hear input on
this please.

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From davereed at w5sv.org  Thu Aug 29 01:45:58 2002
From: davereed at w5sv.org (David F. Reed)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:45:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changed server, some issues require help/advice
Message-ID: <3D6D60B6.2000505@w5sv.org>

fellow mailman users,

I am in the process of swapping mailman to a different server;
I have managed to get it mostly working, but there are a few issues
I need to solve before I can proceed with my testing...

Problem:

if I go the URL for mailman, it shows no lists;
if I go to the /var/mailman directory, under archives/private
that is there, the links are under archives/public
and oddly, if I got to /url/mailman/ it goes to the list!
if I go to the admin pages, they are all set to be public...

I am stumped.  Any help. hints, etc. greatly appreciated.

Advice request:

I am thinking after I can get to all of it, to try sending a test mail to
each list and see if its working...
Are there other things that I should look at / consider?

Many thanks

--Dave

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From davereed at w5sv.org  Thu Aug 29 02:08:02 2002
From: davereed at w5sv.org (David F. Reed)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:08:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What Now
References: 
Message-ID: <3D6D65E2.9000301@w5sv.org>

Rev John J Macuga III wrote:

>I just ran the mailman RPM from RedHat. What now? Where do I look for
>instructions on the next steps?
>
a hint first; learn to use grep; it will be invaluable to you...
for example,

[davereed at dave davereed]$ locate mailman |grep REDHAT
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.REDHAT

or:
[davereed at dave davereed]$ locate README |grep mailman
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.EXIM
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.LINUX
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.QMAIL
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.REDHAT
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.SENDMAIL

try for the more restricted subset first, and it will run faster; the 
above is slower
than:
[davereed at dave davereed]$ locate mailman |grep README
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.EXIM
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.LINUX
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.QMAIL
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.REDHAT
/usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.13/README.SENDMAIL

try it, you will like it...

-Dave

>Ignorant but GRATEFULL.
>
>JJ
>
>
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From barry at python.org  Thu Aug 29 04:02:23 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:02:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com>
	<15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>
	<3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <15725.32943.419535.702075@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GAVH" == G Armour Van Horn  writes:

    GAVH> Therefore, I quickly scan messages related to 2.1b3 and
    GAVH> occasionally lust after one or more features, but I'm not
    GAVH> installing it. Are you suggesting now that 2.1 can be put in
    GAVH> production?

It's already being used in production in many places, so I think it's
generally pretty stable.  I do think some shaking out still needs to
happen before I can give it full endorsement.  But that's why it's
still beta! :)

    GAVH> What I'm hearing is that 2.1b3 seems actually to be running
    GAVH> for a lot of folks, some of them clearly with much larger
    GAVH> installations than mine. If that's the case, why don't you
    GAVH> roll it out?

Darn good idea! :)

    GAVH> Obviously you still have the ability to issue
    GAVH> patches, as you continue to do with 2.0. Personally, I'd
    GAVH> just as soon upgrade to 2.1 as to make the final leap from
    GAVH> 2.0.12 with the 2.0.13 candidate patch to the actual
    GAVH> 2.0.13. I'm brave enough for that, I think.

    GAVH> But not until you say so!

I think we're really close.  There will definitely be a beta4 RSN, but
I don't think it will be too much longer.  Nobody wants MM2.1 out the
door more than me!

-Barry

From valen at tuatha.org  Thu Aug 29 10:13:20 2002
From: valen at tuatha.org (John P. Looney)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:13:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME after creating lists
Message-ID: <20020829081320.GV1757@jinny.ie>

On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 01:08:09PM -0500, David F. Reed mentioned:
> There is a place in the overall configuration (one of the .py scripts)
> that you can change the entry of all of them...
> 
> On a RedHat 7.3 system, it is /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> On other systems, I would think a locate mailman|grep mm_cfg.py
> would find it..
> 
> Edit variable DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 
> 
> 
> Good luck; if you have a moent for it,
> I am curious how you moved all the lists, archives, etc.

 The problem is that this variable is only accessed when the list is
created - so for all new lists, the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME will be correct.

 In the end, I just went to the web page of all sixty lists, and changed
them manually.

John

From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Thu Aug 29 15:36:10 2002
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 29 Aug 2002 15:36:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another Postfix/Mailman post but not a GID problem.
In-Reply-To: Randy Romero's message of "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:00:28 -0400 (EDT)"
References: 
Message-ID: 

Randy Romero  writes:

> ::postfix main.cf entries::
> alias_database = dbm:/etc/postfix/aliases
> alias_maps = dbm:/home/mailman/aliases

I think

,----
| alias_database = dbm:/etc/postfix/aliases, dbm:/home/mailman/aliases
| alias_maps = dbm:/etc/postfix/aliases, dbm:/home/mailman/aliases
`----

is better.

I have Linux and Postfix and

,----
| alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman
| alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/aliases.mailman
`----

works fine for me. If i change my aliases file Postfix needs a
newaliases command.

Please send no Cc. I answer only via the list.
Detlef Neubauer
-- 
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From mailman at davetopping.com  Wed Aug 28 19:09:36 2002
From: mailman at davetopping.com (mailman at davetopping.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:09:36 -0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'Newbie' question - List posting to newsgroups - How?
Message-ID: 

Hello

I would like to know how to get my Mailman mailing list to 'forward'
postings made to it to a 'remote' newsgroup account.

Anybody advise, please, if this is possible and if so, how?

Thanks

From mailman at davetopping.com  Thu Aug 29 13:37:00 2002
From: mailman at davetopping.com (mailman at davetopping.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:37:00 -0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List posting to newsgroup gateway - please help
Message-ID: 

I am trying to work out how to 'forward' a mailman list post to a 'remote'
usenet gateway for two (2) newsgroups.

The mailman list is located on my own system. The usenet gateway is
www.uncensored-news.com.

Can this be done and does anyone know how?

TIA

From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Aug 29 17:11:21 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:11:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing default welcome message
Message-ID: <007301c24f6e$55223fe0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

I have searched the archives and have seen this question, but no clear
answer. If I want to change or eliminate the default welcome message for
specific lists, what is the procedure?

Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us

From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Aug 29 18:08:46 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:08:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner"  
   of "Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:54:23 MDT." <3D6D2A6F.C8E05BA8@pcraft.com> 
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <3D6D2798.2DCCF851@whidbey.com>  <3D6D2A6F.C8E05BA8@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <28452.1030637326@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:54:23 -0600 
Ashley M Kirchner  wrote:

> Ya, I realize all of this, however I have clients who would like, are
> requesting, and generally want this type of mechanism built in.  The
> main reason is because many of the subscribers no longer remember what
> e-mail address they used to subscribe, and consequently don't know
> what to use to UNsubscribe.  Having Mailman serialize its messages
> will provide a simple way for them to unsubscribe.

0) That is what the password reminders are for: They remind people that
they are subscribed, and under what address etc.

1) See VERP

2) Search the list archives for references to VERP, and in particular
Chuq von Rospach's analysis.

3) Mailman v2.1 can do VERP (kinda)

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Aug 29 18:14:37 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:14:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "G. Armour Van Horn"  
   of "Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:00 PDT." <3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com> 
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>  <3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com> 
Message-ID: <28528.1030637677@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:00 -0700 
G Armour Van Horn  wrote:

> But not until you say so!

As with all software upgrades you get to decide when something is ready
for deployment on your systems, nobody else.  The criteria you use for
those decisions is private to you and has no necessary relations to the
criteria or statements of anyone else.

  Translation: Make up your own mind, make your own choices, support
  your arguments with your own reasoning.

There are several production systems that I'm runnign straight out of
that source base's CVS repository.  You can't get much more raw than
that.  Similarly there are several other production systems that are two
or three whole major versions back in the past purely becuase I don't
trust the current versions.

Inform youself of the layout and values of the the field and then pick.
This is OSS.  There are no magic "This product is now golden" bullets.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Aug 29 18:22:50 2002
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:22:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <3D6D2798.2DCCF851@whidbey.com>  <3D6D2A6F.C8E05BA8@pcraft.com> <28452.1030637326@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3D6E4A5A.C689A92D@pcraft.com>

	I did it again, reply instead of reply-all.  Sorry claw...  - AMK4

----------

J C Lawrence wrote:

> 0) That is what the password reminders are for: They remind people that
> they are subscribed, and under what address etc.

    Therein lies the problem.  These people aren't using passwords to begin
with.  Subscribers don't get reminders of what they are subscribed as either.
That would've been the easy way out, unfortunately, I don't have that choice.

--
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From wash at wananchi.com  Thu Aug 29 18:28:57 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:28:57 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing default welcome message
In-Reply-To: <002101c24f74$ae950e80$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>
References: <007301c24f6e$55223fe0$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us> <20020829153937.GD42417@ns2.wananchi.com> <002101c24f74$ae950e80$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>
Message-ID: <20020829162857.GH42417@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Christopher Adams  [20020829 18:51]: wrote:
> What is the "web UI" config options? Are you speaking of the web interface?

Yes, the latter.

> If so, all that allows me to do is eliminate sending a welcome message to
> users that the owner subscribes from the web interface and/or the text that
> the owner appends to the default.

Correct, I should have clarified myself. I am sorry I did not.

> That doesn't give the option of actually changing or elminating the default
> welcome message altogether. Maybe I am missing something.

I grep-ed thro the mailman directory and found the message locations:

sudo find /usr/local/mailman -type f -exec grep -li 'Welcome' {} \; | less

Then I took a look and saw that the welcome message is a template with
vars to be substituted. There must be another script that does the
subsitituions. I guess that script is the "add_member" script, but I am
not aware how you could manipulate either the welcome message template
or the add_member script to work on a per list basis.

The welcome message template  is in:

$prefix/templates/en/subscribeack.txt

-Wash

-- 
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Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
Tel: +254 2 313985-9  +254 2 313922         so I installed FreeBSD."   
GSM: +254 72 743223   +254 733 744121       This sig is McQ!  :-)

If you want to know what god thinks of money, just look at the people
he gave it to.
		-- Dorthy Parker

From bkinne at wpo.it.luc.edu  Thu Aug 29 19:08:19 2002
From: bkinne at wpo.it.luc.edu (Brian W. Kinne)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:08:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch add w/names?
Message-ID: <20020829120819.72485f6e.bkinne@wpo.it.luc.edu>

Greetings;

I'm moving lists at my site from listproc to mailman. Some of the old list owners like the ability to associate the e-mail address with a real name. Since 2.1 has this feature, I've tried to batch subscribe members with their names without success. Is there syntax I'm missing, or must I batch subscribe the addresses and then go back and add the names one at a time? I've tried this with 2.1b2.

Thanks,

Brian

From bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie  Thu Aug 29 20:02:02 2002
From: bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie (Robert bobb Crosbie)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:02:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing DEFAULT_HOST_NAME after creating lists
In-Reply-To: <20020829081320.GV1757@jinny.ie>
References: <20020829081320.GV1757@jinny.ie>
Message-ID: <20020829180200.GA34632@lummux.tchpc.tcd.ie>

John P. Looney hath declared on Thursday the 29 day of August 2002  :-:

> > Edit variable DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 

>  The problem is that this variable is only accessed when the list is
> created - so for all new lists, the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME will be correct.
> 
>  In the end, I just went to the web page of all sixty lists, and changed
> them manually.

Bit late now, but you could have done something with "withlist"...

cat > foo.py < /dev/null
done

- bobb

From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Aug 29 20:49:40 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:49:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pause or queue message delivery
Message-ID: <3D6E6CC4.2040304@isu.edu>

I've got a Mailman mailing list that contains 14,000 subscribers, on a
Linux box that's
using sendmail has the delivery agent that sends all of the messages to
one mail host, because all 14,000 subscribers have an email
account on our mail server. This Linux box is only used to deliver our
Mailman mailing to our Mail server which is a HPUX 11 server, using
sendmail as the routing agent.

We sent a message to the 14,000 recipient mailing list the other day and
it put the load on our Unix Box that contains our mail server to the
roof

How can I setup sendmail or Mailman to not kill the system so hard when I
send to this mailing list, can I change something in sendmail to maybe
pause or queue delivery, after a certain number of messages that have
been delivered and keep that
sequence happening, or deliver 15 at a time and then pause 40 seconds or
something,
to cause better performance. I know that when I send to the mailing
list, in our server logs sendmail creates a  envelope of 21 recipients,
is this the problem?  It's not real critical that these messages when
sent to the mailing list are received right away, so having a pause or
delay between messages is not a problem.

I've not done much configuration changes to sendmail or Mailman so, I would
appreciate any help that would allow this
delivery to allow better performance.

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Phone 282-3874
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Everything must point to him.

From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Aug 29 18:13:08 2002
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 09:13:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: changing the default welcome message
Message-ID: <007c01c24f76$f6db5620$0b7a799f@osl.state.or.us.osl.state.or.us>

What is the "web UI" config options? Are you speaking of the web interface?
If so, all that allows me to do is eliminate sending a welcome message to
users that the owner subscribes from the web interface and/or the text that
the owner appends to the default. That doesn't give the option of actually
changing or elminating the default welcome message altogether. Maybe I am
missing something

Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us
----- Original Message -----
From: "Odhiambo Washington" 
To: "Christopher Adams" 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing default welcome message

> * Christopher Adams  [20020829 18:21]: wrote:
> > I have searched the archives and have seen this question, but no clear
> > answer. If I want to change or eliminate the default welcome message for
> > specific lists, what is the procedure?
>
> You should look in the web UI config options for your lists.
>
> -Wash
>
> --
> Odhiambo Washington     "The box said 'Requires
> Wananchi Online Ltd.  www.wananchi.com      Windows 95, NT, or better,'
> Tel: +254 2 313985-9  +254 2 313922         so I installed FreeBSD."
> GSM: +254 72 743223   +254 733 744121       This sig is McQ!  :-)
>
> Chicken Little only has to be right once.
>

Christopher Adams
Automated Systems
Oregon State Library
503-378-4243  x258
chris.a.adams at state.or.us

From goeran at zaengerlein.de  Thu Aug 29 22:32:53 2002
From: goeran at zaengerlein.de (Goeran Zaengerlein)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:32:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install fails for 2.1b3
Message-ID: <001001c24f9b$41c17d80$a63a8a89@cern.ch>

Hello *,

I tried to install Mailman 2.1b3 and I followed the 
installation instruction exactly but make install fails with 
the following message: 

--- snip --- 
Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... 
Traceback (most recent call last): 
File "bin/update", line 44, in ? 
import paths 
ImportError: No module named paths 
make: *** [update] Error 1 
--- snap --- 

My system:
SuSE 7.2 
Python 2.2.1 
gcc 2.95.3 

The problem was already described here: 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-July/020991.html 
but no solution has been posted as far as I could see... 

Any idea how solve this or how to further debug the problem? 

thanks a lot in advance,
Goeran Zaengerlein

From vanhorn at whidbey.com  Thu Aug 29 22:14:40 2002
From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:14:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>  <3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com> <28528.1030637677@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3D6E80B0.3810EA51@whidbey.com>

J C,

If you're running a number of servers it does get easier, and I suspect that
there are quite a few users here who are in that situation. One system for
Mailman is plenty for my needs, particularly since Mailman has that machine
all to itself, so other upgrades can't interfere with it. I can't justify
another system as a sandbox for 2.1, and wouldn't have time to figure out
reasonable tests to run on it anyway.

Translation: The leaders can make up their minds for themselves, the
followers have to follow.

At this point, Barry clearly says (on the website) it isn't ready, but he
has legal constraints to worry about, or at least a reputation to protect,
if everyone runs the beta and then problems develop. You only risk one
machine (and its users) at a time.

Mailman is a very small part of my business, and a little hobby interest on
the side. This means I need it to be stable, I don't have time to move to
2.1 and have to move back. I'd rather move to 2.1 and leave it for a while,
not run 2.1b3, 2.1b4, maybe 2.1b5, and then 2.1.0.

If ten folks pop up and say they are running multiple lists in production on
multiple machines in 2.1b3 that's a powerful bit of information, likely
enough for me to conclude that it really is a production-worthy product at
this point. (Particularly if they are running the same MTA I am. I chose
Postfix when I setup my Mailman system entirely because the Mailman homepage
information made it clear this would be the best combination. Has that
changed?)

I'm curious how you can have several production systems running from the CVS
and still not trust the current versions, but maybe I misunderstand
something in there.

But hey, in this case I am one of the followers. I do have to have a signal
that "this product is now golden." I don't really have to have it from
Barry, the user community will do. I almost certainly will wait for the
release of 2.1 to save time for myself. I was just making a nuisance of
myself because so many were saying use the beta and Barry (through the site)
was saying not to, and felt that the issue should be addressed.

If nothing else, it pushed Barry to endorse the current beta more strongly
than he had before!

Van

J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:08:00 -0700
> G Armour Van Horn  wrote:
>
> > But not until you say so!
>
> As with all software upgrades you get to decide when something is ready
> for deployment on your systems, nobody else.  The criteria you use for
> those decisions is private to you and has no necessary relations to the
> criteria or statements of anyone else.
>
>   Translation: Make up your own mind, make your own choices, support
>   your arguments with your own reasoning.
>
> There are several production systems that I'm runnign straight out of
> that source base's CVS repository.  You can't get much more raw than
> that.  Similarly there are several other production systems that are two
> or three whole major versions back in the past purely becuase I don't
> trust the current versions.
>
> Inform youself of the layout and values of the the field and then pick.
> This is OSS.  There are no magic "This product is now golden" bullets.
>
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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From Dan.Mick at sun.com  Thu Aug 29 23:06:08 2002
From: Dan.Mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:06:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>  <3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com> <28528.1030637677@kanga.nu> <3D6E80B0.3810EA51@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <3D6E8CC0.7060509@sun.com>

G. Armour Van Horn wrote:

> At this point, Barry clearly says (on the website) it isn't ready, but he
> has legal constraints to worry about, or at least a reputation to protect,
> if everyone runs the beta and then problems develop. You only risk one
> machine (and its users) at a time.

Surely not legal, but yes.

> Mailman is a very small part of my business, and a little hobby interest on
> the side. This means I need it to be stable, I don't have time to move to
> 2.1 and have to move back. I'd rather move to 2.1 and leave it for a while,
> not run 2.1b3, 2.1b4, maybe 2.1b5, and then 2.1.0.

It should be noted that it's *very* trivial to upgrade.  I do this probably
four times a week when Barry's busy:

mmstop (a wrapper for /etc/init.d/mailman stop)
cvs -q update -dAP
resolve any conflicts from my local hacks (usually 30 seconds)
./doconfig (wrapper for ./configure with flags)
make install
mmstart (see above)

total time about 5 minutes; total number of problems I've seen from
interim software: probably 10 over the lifetime of 2.0.x, most having
to do with broken email messages that get evolving parsing code's panties
all bunched.

It's been my experience that interim CVS versions of Mailman are *very*
stable.  As usual: your mileage *will* vary.  But Mailman is not very fragile,
in my experience.

And if you want to, keeping track of your last-stable date or
revision tag, and rolling back with CVS, is pretty easy too.
If you add in "back up the critical config.pck's" it's even easier to
roll back.  (Not that I've ever had to.)

From goeran at zaengerlein.de  Fri Aug 30 00:31:23 2002
From: goeran at zaengerlein.de (Goeran Zaengerlein)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:31:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install fails for 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <001001c24f9b$41c17d80$a63a8a89@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <001301c24fab$ce8a5790$a63a8a89@cern.ch>

Hi *,

ok, I found out what the problem is:
The configure script creates the file
"/src/mailman-2.1b3/misc/paths.py", but "make install" does not copy it
to "$prefix/bin".

When make runs the update target it calls the $prefix/bin/update script
which tries to import the paths module. If you do the installation on a
system where already a mailman installation exists you won't get the
error as the paths.py already exists... So problem is only visible for a
from-the-scratch installation.

Any idea where in the Makefile the paths.py should be copied and why
this does actually not happen? I think there might be a problem with the
makefile in /misc, but I am not so fluent in makefiles ;)

My workaround for now is:
make install
cp ./misc/paths.py /usr/local/mailman/bin
make install

regards,
Goeran Zaengerlein

From dan.mick at sun.com  Fri Aug 30 00:49:17 2002
From: dan.mick at sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install fails for 2.1b3
Message-ID: <200208292249.g7TMnTqY003689@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> "/src/mailman-2.1b3/misc/paths.py", but "make install" does not copy it
> to "$prefix/bin".

Don't know why.

top-level Makefile:

SUBDIRS=        bin cron misc Mailman scripts src templates messages tests

install: -> doinstall: ->

        @for d in $(SUBDIRS); \
        do \
            (cd $$d; $(MAKE) install); \
        done

misc/Makefile:

PATHSDIRS=      bin cron scripts

install:
	.
	.
        for d in $(PATHSDIRS); \
        do \
            dir=$(prefix)/$$d; \
            $(INSTALL) -m $(FILEMODE) paths.py $$dir; \
        done
        .
        .

Maybe you have a broken make?

From goeran at zaengerlein.de  Fri Aug 30 02:49:18 2002
From: goeran at zaengerlein.de (Goeran Zaengerlein)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:49:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install fails for 2.1b3
In-Reply-To: <200208292249.g7TMnTqY003689@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <001601c24fbf$247991d0$a63a8a89@cern.ch>

Hi Dan,

> 
> Maybe you have a broken make?
> 

Hm... I uninstalled my make RPM and installed it again... Did not
help... But I copied the paths.py to cron, bin and scripts and should do
the job for now...

thanks a lot!
Goeran Zaengerlein

From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Aug 30 06:45:53 2002
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:45:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forget password form and unsubscribe without password
Message-ID: <3D6EF881.CA59B84D@isu.edu>

In mailman 2.0.13 is there a way for users to unsubscribe without
remembering their password.  I know you can send a message to
listname-request at domain.com, and in the body put unsubscribe, but this
requires a password.

Has anyone developed a web forget  password form, where the user can
type in their email address and it will send them their mailman
subscribers password. I would appreciate it if anyone would share their
code. I'm trying to learn python.

Kory Wheatley

From raquel at thericehouse.net  Fri Aug 30 07:09:13 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:09:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forget password form and unsubscribe without password
In-Reply-To: <3D6EF881.CA59B84D@isu.edu>
References: <3D6EF881.CA59B84D@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20020829220913.1f0ed5c6.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:45:53 -0600
Kory Wheatley  wrote:

> In mailman 2.0.13 is there a way for users to unsubscribe without
> remembering their password.  I know you can send a message to
> listname-request at domain.com, and in the body put unsubscribe, but
> this requires a password.
> 
> Has anyone developed a web forget  password form, where the user
> can type in their email address and it will send them their
> mailman subscribers password. I would appreciate it if anyone
> would share their code. I'm trying to learn python.
> 
> 
> Kory Wheatley

Go to the list page:
http://domain.name/mailman/listinfo.cgi/listname

At the bottom of the form enter your email address and click on
"Edit Options".  There's a place to get your password sent to you.

-- 
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============================================================
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Aug 30 07:14:23 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:14:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "G. Armour Van Horn"  
   of "Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:14:40 PDT." <3D6E80B0.3810EA51@whidbey.com> 
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org> <3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com> <28528.1030637677@kanga.nu>  <3D6E80B0.3810EA51@whidbey.com> 
Message-ID: <3973.1030684463@kanga.nu>

From shu.ung at anu.edu.au  Fri Aug 30 07:31:46 2002
From: shu.ung at anu.edu.au (Shu Ung)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:31:46 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch add w/names?
In-Reply-To: <20020829120819.72485f6e.bkinne@wpo.it.luc.edu>
Message-ID: 

Try

Full Name 

Shu
On Friday, August 30, 2002, at 03:08 AM, Brian W. Kinne wrote:

> Greetings;
>
> I'm moving lists at my site from listproc to mailman. Some of the old 
> list owners like the ability to associate the e-mail address with a 
> real name. Since 2.1 has this feature, I've tried to batch subscribe 
> members with their names without success. Is there syntax I'm missing, 
> or must I batch subscribe the addresses and then go back and add the 
> names one at a time? I've tried this with 2.1b2.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-
> users%40python.org/
>

From mailman-users at imc.nl  Fri Aug 30 09:42:53 2002
From: mailman-users at imc.nl (Roelf Schreurs)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:42:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors
Message-ID: <000801c24ff8$d96c6ac0$c764a8c0@ads.intra.imc>

Hi

I'm quite worried about these errors in mailman.
Can somebody please explain what this means.

Thanks

Aug 30 09:37:42 2002 (21563) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of wrong size
Aug 30 09:37:42 2002 (21563) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 154, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
    status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 76, in process
    g(msg, unixfrom=1)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 81, in flatten
    self._write(msg)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 109, in _write
    self._dispatch(msg)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _dispatch
    main, sub = ctype.split('/')
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size

Aug 30 09:38:13 2002 (21563) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of wrong size
Aug 30 09:38:13 2002 (21563) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
    self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 154, in _onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
    status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in _dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 76, in process
    g(msg, unixfrom=1)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 81, in flatten
    self._write(msg)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 109, in _write
    self._dispatch(msg)
  File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _dispatch
    main, sub = ctype.split('/')
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size
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From fcombernous at eprocess.fr  Fri Aug 30 10:48:38 2002
From: fcombernous at eprocess.fr (Fabien COMBERNOUS)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:48:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about private archives.
Message-ID: <20020830084837.GA14051@fcombernous.mtp.eprocess.fr>

Lo,

I had installed mailman 2.0.9 with sources. All work fine. My archives
are generated. But we have a read acces to my private archives without any
passwd. Is it Normal ?

Fabien.

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Aug 30 10:51:47 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:51:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors
In-Reply-To: <000801c24ff8$d96c6ac0$c764a8c0@ads.intra.imc>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020830094112.04718710@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 09:42 30/08/2002 +0200, Roelf Schreurs wrote:
>Hi
>
>I'm quite worried about these errors in mailman.
>Can somebody please explain what this means.
>
>Thanks
>
>Aug 30 09:37:42 2002 (21563) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of 
>wrong size
>Aug 30 09:37:42 2002 (21563) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 154, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
>     status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in 
> _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 76, in process
>     g(msg, unixfrom=1)
>   File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 81, in flatten
>     self._write(msg)
>   File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 109, in _write
>     self._dispatch(msg)
>   File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _dispatch
>     main, sub = ctype.split('/')
>ValueError: unpack list of wrong size
>
>Aug 30 09:38:13 2002 (21563) Uncaught runner exception: unpack list of 
>wrong size
>Aug 30 09:38:13 2002 (21563) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 105, in _oneloop
>     self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 154, in _onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 129, in _dispose
>     status = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 152, in 
> _dopipeline
>     sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 76, in process
>     g(msg, unixfrom=1)
>   File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 81, in flatten
>     self._write(msg)
>   File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 109, in _write
>     self._dispatch(msg)
>   File "/opt/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py", line 128, in _dispatch
>     main, sub = ctype.split('/')
>ValueError: unpack list of wrong size

I can explain what but not necessarily why or the consequences.

The qrunner code processing an incoming message has extracted a 
Content-type: header from the message expecting it to be of the form 
'maintype/subtype'.

The code is trying to separate the two parts of the mime type, i.e. 
'maintype' and 'subtype', by splitting the string into two parts with '/' 
as the delimiter between the parts.

This split operation is failing because the Content-type: header value 
there has either no '/' character or more than one '/' character in it. In 
either case the header value in the message concerned is malformed.

I haven't looked beyond the obvious to determine what is done with/to the 
message having the apparently defective header.

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Aug 30 11:09:21 2002
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:09:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about private archives.
In-Reply-To: <20020830084837.GA14051@fcombernous.mtp.eprocess.fr>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020830095238.04718710@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:48 30/08/2002 +0200, Fabien COMBERNOUS wrote:
>Lo,
>
>I had installed mailman 2.0.9 with sources. All work fine. My archives
>are generated. But we have a read acces to my private archives without any
>passwd. Is it Normal ?
>
>Fabien.
>
>--

What is the URL by which the private archives concerned is being accessed?

Normally, private archives should have a URL path which starts 
'/mailman/private//'. This URL goes via a MM script in 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py which should enforce privacy and require a 
password to gain access. There should NOT be a symbolic link 
$prefix/archives/public/ pointing at 
$prefix/archives/private/.

By contrast public archives should have a URL path which starts 
'/pipermail/'. This should be served direct by your web server 
without any authentication by Mailman itself. There should be a symbolic 
link $prefix/archives/public/ pointing at 
$prefix/archives/private/.

Tell us which URL you are using. Also, what have you added in the way of 
Alias, Exec and/or ScriptAlias directives to you Apache server's httpd.conf 
to provide access to Mailman stuff.

From barry at python.org  Fri Aug 30 15:19:07 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Batch add w/names?
References: <20020829120819.72485f6e.bkinne@wpo.it.luc.edu>
Message-ID: <15727.28875.971699.451841@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "BWK" == Brian W Kinne  writes:

    BWK> I'm moving lists at my site from listproc to mailman. Some of
    BWK> the old list owners like the ability to associate the e-mail
    BWK> address with a real name. Since 2.1 has this feature, I've
    BWK> tried to batch subscribe members with their names without
    BWK> success. Is there syntax I'm missing[...?]

Yes, and it needs to be better documented on the mass subscribe page
(feel free to lodge an SF bug report so I don't forget).

Enter the addresses like so:

aperson at example.com (Anne Person)
bdude at example.com (Brian D. Ude)

etc...

Actually, any format recognized by email.Utils.parseaddr() is
acceptable:

http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-email.Utils.html

so

Anne Person 
"Brian D. Ude" 

Should work too.

-Barry

From barry at python.org  Fri Aug 30 15:22:59 2002
From: barry at python.org (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install fails for 2.1b3
References: <001001c24f9b$41c17d80$a63a8a89@cern.ch>
	<001301c24fab$ce8a5790$a63a8a89@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <15727.29107.994716.408730@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GZ" == Goeran Zaengerlein  writes:

    GZ> ok, I found out what the problem is: The configure script
    GZ> creates the file "/src/mailman-2.1b3/misc/paths.py", but "make
    GZ> install" does not copy it to "$prefix/bin".

I do occasionally get reports about this, but I've never been able to
reproduce it, even on fresh installs.  I wonder if this is a GNU
make-ism problem?  I've primarily tested on various flavi of Linux,
but OTOH, it doesn't /seem/ like I'm doing anything particularly GNU
make-y.

Thanks Dan for analyzing the way it /ought/ to work (and does for me
and most people).  I'd love to understand why it's broken for some
folks.

-Barry

From stafford at bbri.org  Fri Aug 30 17:36:33 2002
From: stafford at bbri.org (Walter Stafford)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working after changing IP address
Message-ID: 

Hi,
     After I changed the ip address of my linux box, mailman stopped
working. (Our ISP assigned us a new IP number range). I have changed the hosts
file and rerun the m4 sendmail.mc config script. But somewhere I have
missed something. I created a  new test list and tried to subscribe to
it through the web interface but I get no response from it. There are a

lot of files piling up in /home/mailman/qfiles

None of the lists (I have 4) will forward messages or allow new
subscriptions.   Can anyone help??

Walter Stafford

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From wolf at wolfstream.net  Fri Aug 30 17:49:26 2002
From: wolf at wolfstream.net (Tom Whiting)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:49:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working after changing IP address
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <200208301049.26710.wolf@wolfstream.net>

On Friday 30 August 2002 10:36 am, Walter Stafford wrote:
> Hi,
>      After I changed the ip address of my linux box, mailman stopped
> working. (Our ISP assigned us a new IP number range). I have changed the
> hosts file and rerun the m4 sendmail.mc config script. But somewhere I have
> missed something. I created a  new test list and tried to subscribe to it
> through the web interface but I get no response from it. There are a
>
> lot of files piling up in /home/mailman/qfiles
>
> None of the lists (I have 4) will forward messages or allow new
> subscriptions.   Can anyone help??
>
> Walter Stafford

There's a few reasons that this could be happening (none relating to Mailman 
that I know of)
A> Your DNS records haven't bounced back to you yet (in some cases this can 
take up to 3d to filter through the 'net). 
Personally, I use EveryDNS, with a perl monitor every hour or so. They manage 
to get the ip back and registered usually in < an hour and in some cases MUCH 
less.

B> Your OLD I.P. address is hardcoded into your MTA somewhere (I believe PARTS 
of qmail do this (depending on your distro)).

C> You somehow have your old I.P. address set in your O.S. some other way.
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From arif at welfarelaw.org  Fri Aug 30 17:51:30 2002
From: arif at welfarelaw.org (Arif Mamdani)
Date: 30 Aug 2002 10:51:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages to user not being delivered
Message-ID: <1030722690.1870.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hey folks,
I'm having a really strange issue here, that I've been beating my head
against the wall with.  If it's okay, I'd like to summarize what I've
done, in hopes that one of you may see something that I haven't and be
able to provide some guidance in where else I can look.

I'm running a number of lists, and we've recently found that one user
who's subscribed to two of those lists isn't receiving her messages.  On
the server, they appear to be delivered just fine:

Aug 29 19:27:48 lincproject postfix/smtp[26161]: DBE901AF2A7:
to=, relay=fifthave.org[216.248.203.53], delay=44,
status=sent (250 TAA10442 Message accepted for delivery)

but on her end, she never sees them.  Looking from Mailman logs doesn't
show any bounces/errors/anything related to her or the lists in
question.

We set up a test list, with her as the only subscriber and she does
receive messages from that list.

What this suggests to me is that the problem is somewhere on her end,
but before I confidently say that, I want to be sure that I'm not
overlooking something, and have ruled out any possibility of problems at
my end.

thanks
-arif

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From sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx  Fri Aug 30 17:47:10 2002
From: sammons_david at yahoo.com.mx (=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Sammons?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:47:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with MM 2.0.9
Message-ID: <20020830154710.11312.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com>

   Hi there!

      I have problems installing MM2.0.9 at compiling
time a receive the message: 

    checking for CGI extensions... no
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "conftest.py", line 2, in ?
    from socket import *
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.1/socket.py", line 41,
in?
    from _socket import *
ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal:
libssl.so.0.9.6: open failed: No such file or
directory

   Any ideas???

   Thanks a lot!!!!

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From stafford at bbri.org  Fri Aug 30 21:20:27 2002
From: stafford at bbri.org (Walter Stafford)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:20:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working after changing IP
 address
In-Reply-To: <200208301049.26710.wolf@wolfstream.net>
References: 
 <200208301049.26710.wolf@wolfstream.net>
Message-ID: 

Hi Tom.

  It turned out that I had unwittingly deleted from the hosts file the line
127.0.0.1    my_server.bbri.org   localhost

Once I added that back, all the emails that were being held were 
processed correctly by crond and sendmail. But I had had multiple 
problems: before that I couldn't get the posts to appear or the 
subscription requests to show up until  I reset some permissions to 
what they should be in the Mailman directories. So this was a two 
step process. I had also impetuously reinstalled Mailman as root 
accidently and that caused problems too until I re-installed it as 
mailman and then reset the owner/group correctly...

Your clues were quite helpful; they got me on the right track. Thanks.

Walter

At 10:49 -0500 8/30/02, Tom Whiting wrote:
>On Friday 30 August 2002 10:36 am, Walter Stafford wrote:
>>  Hi,
>>       After I changed the ip address of my linux box, mailman stopped
>>  working. (Our ISP assigned us a new IP number range). I have changed the
>>  hosts file and rerun the m4 sendmail.mc config script. But somewhere I have
>>  missed something. I created a  new test list and tried to subscribe to it
>>  through the web interface but I get no response from it. There are a
>>
>>  lot of files piling up in /home/mailman/qfiles
>>
>>  None of the lists (I have 4) will forward messages or allow new
>>  subscriptions.   Can anyone help??
>>
>>  Walter Stafford
>
>There's a few reasons that this could be happening (none relating to Mailman
>that I know of)
>A> Your DNS records haven't bounced back to you yet (in some cases this can
>take up to 3d to filter through the 'net).
>Personally, I use EveryDNS, with a perl monitor every hour or so. They manage
>to get the ip back and registered usually in < an hour and in some cases MUCH
>less.
>
>B> Your OLD I.P. address is hardcoded into your MTA somewhere (I believe PARTS
>of qmail do this (depending on your distro)).
>
>C> You somehow have your old I.P. address set in your O.S. some other way.
>___________________________________
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From Ncampbell at nbta.org  Thu Aug 29 19:36:16 2002
From: Ncampbell at nbta.org (Norman Campbell)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:36:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Emails
Message-ID: 

I currently have several lists being hosted by another company using Mailman
2.1b2.  We want the capability to send html email.  When I send the email,
it is received as attachments only.  Nothing is in the body of the email.
Is there a way so that the email is received with the html in the body of
the message?

Thanks,

Norm Campbell
Information & Technology Manager
NBTA
703.684.0836
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From walter at bbri.org  Fri Aug 30 04:42:46 2002
From: walter at bbri.org (walter stafford)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:42:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working after changing IP address
Message-ID: <3D6EDBA6.50DFC96C@bbri.org>

Hi,
    After I changed the ip address of my linux box, mailman stopped
working. (Our ISP assigned us a new IP range). I have changed the hosts
file and rerun the m4 sendmail.mc config script. But somehwere i have
missed something. I created a  new test list and tried to subscribe to
it throught the web interface but I get no repsonse from it. There are a
lot of files piling up in /home/mailman/qfiles

None of the lists (I have 4) will forward messages or allow new
subscriptions.   Can anyone help??

Walter Stafford

From nb at cisto.com  Fri Aug 30 10:28:02 2002
From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:28:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
In-Reply-To: <3D6E80B0.3810EA51@whidbey.com> (vanhorn@whidbey.com)
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com> <15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>  <3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com> <28528.1030637677@kanga.nu> <3D6E80B0.3810EA51@whidbey.com>
Message-ID: <200208300828.g7U8S2A22290@quill.local>

G. Armour Van Horn  wrote:

> If you're running a number of servers it does get easier, and I suspect that
> there are quite a few users here who are in that situation. One system for
> Mailman is plenty for my needs, particularly since Mailman has that machine
> all to itself, so other upgrades can't interfere with it. I can't justify
> another system as a sandbox for 2.1, and wouldn't have time to figure out
> reasonable tests to run on it anyway.

There's no problem whatsoever with running several (a few) separate
Mailman installs on the same machine.  It's just when you haven dozens
of hundreds of installs that it become necessary to change a few
things.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
Founder & Steering Committee member of http://gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59        Fax +41 1 972 20 69       http://norbert.ch
List hosting with GNU Mailman on your own domain name http://cisto.com

From raquel at thericehouse.net  Sat Aug 31 00:05:49 2002
From: raquel at thericehouse.net (Raquel Rice)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:05:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serialize?
In-Reply-To: <200208300828.g7U8S2A22290@quill.local>
References: <3D6D11C8.FD853007@pcraft.com>
	<15725.17333.589045.535352@anthem.wooz.org>
	<3D6D49C0.F0E92832@whidbey.com>
	<28528.1030637677@kanga.nu>
	<3D6E80B0.3810EA51@whidbey.com>
	<200208300828.g7U8S2A22290@quill.local>
Message-ID: <20020830150549.491f1e20.raquel@thericehouse.net>

On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:28:02 +0200
Norbert Bollow  wrote:

> G. Armour Van Horn  wrote:
> 
> > If you're running a number of servers it does get easier, and I
> > suspect that there are quite a few users here who are in that
> > situation. One system for Mailman is plenty for my needs,
> > particularly since Mailman has that machine all to itself, so
> > other upgrades can't interfere with it. I can't justify another
> > system as a sandbox for 2.1, and wouldn't have time to figure
> > out reasonable tests to run on it anyway.
> 
> There's no problem whatsoever with running several (a few)
> separate Mailman installs on the same machine.  It's just when you
> haven dozens of hundreds of installs that it become necessary to
> change a few things.
> 
> Greetings, Norbert.

This is something I was thinking of doing.  I only run about 20
lists, but I don't want them messed with right now.  I would like to
do a seperate install of 2.1, testing it and them putting a couple
of new lists onto it to see how it works.  Is there anything special
I need to be aware of in doing that?

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
When you are joyous, look deep into your heart and you shall find it
is only that which has given you sorrow that is giving you joy. When
you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that
in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.
  --Kahlil Gibran

From fndlm at uaf.edu  Sat Aug 31 02:57:05 2002
From: fndlm at uaf.edu (Dusty McDonald)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:57:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't find /usr/bin/env
Message-ID: <200208301657050533.054C8649@aurora.alaska.edu>

I am trying to install mailman on Solaris8. 'make install' dies with 

"/usr/bin/env: No such file or directory"

/usr/bin/env does exist:

bash-2.03$ ls -l /usr/bin/env
total 110336
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root     bin         5116 Jan  5  2000 /usr/bin/env

check_perms finds the same problem. The file is global read and execute. Does mailman need write permission? If so, is that safe, and why the cryptic error message? Is something else hinky?

BTW, "check_perms -v" and "check_perms -f" produce exactly the same message as plain old "check_perms". What's happening there?

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From booker at lava.net  Sat Aug 31 05:07:24 2002
From: booker at lava.net (Booker)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:07:24 -1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying to debug "All recipients refused:..."
Message-ID: <004701c2509b$8bbb0e00$c17f4140@lava.net>

Greetings,

I'm having problems with this mailing list I'm trying to setup.
Initially the list worked fine until I added more users.  Here's what I
have in my configs and my logs.  I'm guessing that the MTA or SMTP
server is doing the refusing.

in logs/smtp
Aug 30 14:16:30 2002 (21555) All recipients refused: Server not
connected
Aug 30 14:16:30 2002 (21555) smtp for 1991 recips, completed in 328.470
seconds

in mm_cfg.py
SMTPHOST = 'virtaul.smtp.host.net'  #bunch of smtp servers we have load
balanced
SMTPPORT = 25                                      # default from
smtplib

Is there an option that I can turn on so that the output in logs/smtp is
more verbose?

Mahalo,
Booker	

From wash at wananchi.com  Sat Aug 31 08:37:11 2002
From: wash at wananchi.com (Odhiambo Washington)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:37:11 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Emails
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20020831063711.GE29010@ns2.wananchi.com>

* Norman Campbell  [20020831 00:25]: wrote:
> I currently have several lists being hosted by another company using Mailman
> 2.1b2.  We want the capability to send html email.  When I send the email,
> it is received as attachments only.  Nothing is in the body of the email.
> Is there a way so that the email is received with the html in the body of
> the message?

I think that is a MUA problem. When someone sends HTML mail and there is no
filtering between the sender and the recipient, the failure to display the
mail correctly is a problem that lies with the mail client, no? I see in
so many lists people send HTML mail and we hate them ;-(

-Wash

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