From a.somerville at qut.edu.au Mon Oct 1 02:31:07 2001 From: a.somerville at qut.edu.au (AE Somerville) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:31:07 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list... Message-ID: <3BB7B94B.42114E@qut.edu.au> G'Day, I'm currently compiling a list of prospective MLM software for the QUT Messaging Project (redesigning the Queensland University of Technologies email systems). We are running a mail system for approx 53,000 users supporting approx 1,500 lists. The lists are generated by the Universities student database systems at this time. I was particulalry interested in: 1. How your software stores and accesses the mailing list information (List Members, Administrators, Moderators, Members). 2. What command line tools or non-web-broswer methods are available to administer the lists. 3. What tools are available to make a mass upload of lists members and owner/moderator details? 4. Can we link in authentication (C code) to authenticate to our password systems? 5. Is there a webbased interface for administrator of the mail list service. 6. I'd also like to know what way the lists are stored... Are they in a flat file/DB/Hash? How's this achieved for your product? 7. And even though we can add our own adjustments to the code for the purposes of authentication, are there plans for adding support for industry supported authentication mechanisms such as Cyrus SASL? -- Antony Somerville Messaging Project Queensland University of Technology Brisbane Queensland, Australia Ph: +61 7 3864 4434 Fax: +61 7 3864 2921 From miki at canaan.co.il Mon Oct 1 11:09:36 2001 From: miki at canaan.co.il (Ben-Nes Michael) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:09:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer doesnt appear Message-ID: <00bd01c14a58$cb9b13c0$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> Hi I noticed that when I send HTML page to a mailing list the footer does not appear. What can be done ? Is it a bug with mail formating ? -------------------------- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -------------------------- From jonc at haht.com Mon Oct 1 16:04:51 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list... References: <3BB7B94B.42114E@qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <001c01c14a82$0a2a6900$0b04010a@JCARNES> > I'm currently compiling a list of prospective MLM software for the QUT > Messaging Project (redesigning the Queensland University of Technologies > email systems). > > We are running a mail system for approx 53,000 users supporting approx > 1,500 lists. The lists are generated by the Universities student > database systems at this time. > > I was particulalry interested in: > 1. How your software stores and accesses the mailing list information > (List Members, Administrators, Moderators, Members). The information for each list is stored in a large database file called "config.db" which is stored in a directory ~mailman/lists/email-list-name. The database stores the configuration of the list as well as the members and the configuration of each member in that file in text format. Mailman also maintains a backup copy of config.db in the file "config.db.last". This is a copy of "config.db" before the last time it was changed. > 2. What command line tools or non-web-broswer methods are available to > administer the lists. >From ~mailman/bin/... === add_members: add regular or digested users to a list. arch: rebuild a mailing list's archives. check_db: check a mailing list database for corruption. check_perms: check the permissions on the Mailman installation. clone_member: add a list member with identical settings as an existing list member (including password). config_list: change list configuration from the command line. digest_arch: convert majordomo archives into mailbox format. Old program, use with extreme care! dumpdb: dump the contents of a Mailman .db file. find_member: find all lists that a specified user is on. list_lists: list all the Mailman mailing lists. list_members: list all the members of a mailing list. mmsitepass: set the site password, good for admin-ing any list. move_list: move archives for a list you have renamed newlist: create a new mailing list. remove_members: remove specified members from a list. rmlist: remove an old mailing list - does not remove the archives unless you specify -a. sync_members: synchronizes mailing list membership with a flat text file. update: upgrade from previous version of Mailman to current version. version: print out the version of Mailman you are using. withlist: advanced interactions with mailing list objects. paths.py - module used by many Mailman scripts to tell it where its files are stored. > 3. What tools are available to make a mass upload of lists members and > owner/moderator details? You can load the members from the command line using "add_members" or "sync_members", from the web interface you would simply cut and paste the users into the add user box on the Membership Management page. You can load the configuration from the command line using "config_list", or you can use the web-based admin interface. > 4. Can we link in authentication (C code) to authenticate to our > password systems? Feel free - it's open-source software. Note, currently the passwords are stored in the config.db database in text format. The code used in the scripts accesses that database and simply reads in the text based passwords for comparison. You would have to find the code in each script and re-write it to use PAMS or whatever password authentication you want. There are drop and insert modules which do just that: authenticate a user/password combo against a remote or local password system. > 5. Is there a webbased interface for administrator of the mail list > service. Yes, a very nice one. > 6. I'd also like to know what way the lists are stored... > Are they in a flat file/DB/Hash? How's this achieved for your product? The lists are stored in a db format as part of the config.db file. The data is stored as text, and can be accessed and manipulated by any standard .db access program. > 7. And even though we can add our own adjustments to the code for the > purposes of authentication, are there plans for adding support for > industry supported authentication mechanisms such as Cyrus SASL? > Again, its open-source, so feel free. I'm sure someone somewhere is looking at the integration - if it's not already done. Sure would be a good Graduate project... Hope this helps - Jon Carnes From jonc at haht.com Mon Oct 1 18:51:56 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing archives References: <3BB4F23B.19095.66BC1FB@localhost> Message-ID: <005201c14a99$6171e370$0b04010a@JCARNES> > I'm in the process of migrating from another list > server, Mercury by David Harris. One of the important > things in the old mailing list is the archives. So, I'd like > to convert them or migrate them. The existing archives > are flat text files, not even mime. There are delimiters > at the end of each message that seem to be pretty > unambiguous. > > Has anyone imported archives from another list server > into Mailman? If so, do you have any advice or > guidance? > > Thanks, > Mike > -- I hesitate to mention it, but there is an old utility called "digest_arch" that was used for moving flat files into email syntax. Here are the notes from the script: ====== NOTE: This is being deprecated since mailman has been shifted over to an external archiver (ie, andrew kuchling's latest version of pipermail.) This program shouldn't be attempted by people who don't understand Python. I wrote it to build archives for a few lists I'd been running for a long time under majordomo. Convert majordomo digests all stored in one directory into mailbox format. Note that the digests correct order in the dir should be alphabetical order. The output file is ARCHIVE.ME in the same directory the digests are in. Run this program before you transfer the majordomo list. To get the output file archived, create the list under mailman, run this script, and then do the following: cat ARCHIVE.ME >> ~mailman/mailman/lists/mylist/archived.mail You also need to adjust the variable: NUM_LINES_TO_STRIP_FROM_TOP (currently it's set to 11). ====== Good Luck - Jon Carnes From p at dirac.org Mon Oct 1 19:49:31 2001 From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:49:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuring mailman Message-ID: <20011001104931.A29828@dirac.org> dear all, i'm trying to follow the mailman config instructions, but am having trouble. i'm on debian woody, using exim as the MTA. when i run check_perms, i get the following error message: # ./check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "./check_perms", line 280, in ? checkcgi() File "./check_perms", line 183, in checkcgi exes = os.listdir(mm_cfg.CGI_DIR) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory i'm not sure, but this looks like it may be a python error. it's sufficiently cryptic (i know no python) that i don't understand it. also, i'm getting loads of cron errors in the mail as well: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ? lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.belial.8007' this also looks like a python error. i don't have a clue what to do. can some kind soul help me figure out what's going wrong? greatly appreciated! pete -- "You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services ..." -- Clause from license for FrontPage 2002 From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Mon Oct 1 15:21:09 2001 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:21:09 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why https only works from remote hosts ? Message-ID: <01100113210900.01396@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Hello, from remote hosts everything works fine. I'am using mailman 2.0.6 (with Apache 1.3.20 and OpenSSL 0.9.6b in the back). List subsciption (and so on) works very well (remote and local), but when I visit the list-owner admin page (via https) from my local machine ( https:///mailman/admin/test ), I receive this error message by trying to send the passwort: -------------------------------------------------------------- Bad Request Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. -------------------------------------------------------------- The causer is the obversely Post Action in the (generated) adminpage-URL: ACTION="http://:443/mailman/admin/test"> (This throws away the https://<...> suffix.) :-( So I thought (at first) it would get into general trouble, but when I doing the same from a remote host everything works fine, cause the post action looks (in this case) like this: ACTION="/mailman/admin/test"> (This preserves the https://<...> suffix.) :-) Why mailman works in this manner ? Do I something really stupid ? I can't see my fault, so if you could give me a clue, I would be very greatful. regards Oliver From rgant at flash.net Mon Oct 1 20:37:32 2001 From: rgant at flash.net (Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:37:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator question Message-ID: <3BB8B7EB.921D83D6@flash.net> Hello Mailman User List: My name is Father Richard Gant, and I am webmaster of http://www.solt3.org I also have a Catholic news list at CIN, the Catholic Information Network. CIN just a few days ago began using the Mailman program. A question: The postings I have set that they need moderator approval. But my own postings are delayed, because they come back to me with needing moderator approval. Can I set Mailman so that I, the moderator, can post directly. May God bless all of you on the list. Father Richard Gant From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Oct 1 20:40:59 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:40:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages In-Reply-To: <004a01c14955$b3d4cc80$7b895940@jtw> References: <004a01c14955$b3d4cc80$7b895940@jtw> Message-ID: <20011001144058.A2601@mems-exchange.org> On 29 September 2001, JT Whitlock said: > Since downloading your service last night I have received at least a > dozen letters from all over the nation with questions on how to best > use your service. You didn't "download a service", you joined an Internet mailing list devoted to discussing Mailman, a mailing list management tool for Unix. And those messages come from all over the world, BTW. It sounds to me like you're in the wrong place. Instructions for unsubscribing from the list are included with every list message, or visit http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users. From there, unsubscribing isn't too hard -- just look around and you'll see it. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From jonc at haht.com Mon Oct 1 20:22:26 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:22:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuring mailman References: <20011001104931.A29828@dirac.org> Message-ID: <00a301c14aa6$065eb0a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> > i'm trying to follow the mailman config instructions, but am having trouble. > i'm on debian woody, using exim as the MTA. > > when i run check_perms, i get the following error message: > > # ./check_perms > Traceback (innermost last): > File "./check_perms", line 280, in ? > checkcgi() > File "./check_perms", line 183, in checkcgi > exes = os.listdir(mm_cfg.CGI_DIR) > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory > > i'm not sure, but this looks like it may be a python error. it's > sufficiently cryptic (i know no python) that i don't understand it. Its says it cannot find the CGI directory. Check to make sure that you told it the proper place, and that it has permission to access. > > also, i'm getting loads of cron errors in the mail as well: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ? > lock.lock(timeout=0.5) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock > self.__write() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write > fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: > '/var/lib/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.belial.8007' > > this also looks like a python error. > This also looks like it does not have permission to access typical files used by mailman. Did you "su mailman" before you ran check_perms? Jon Carnes From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Oct 1 20:55:13 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list... In-Reply-To: <001c01c14a82$0a2a6900$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <3BB7B94B.42114E@qut.edu.au> <001c01c14a82$0a2a6900$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011001145513.B2601@mems-exchange.org> On 01 October 2001, Jon Carnes said: > > I was particulalry interested in: > > 1. How your software stores and accesses the mailing list information > > (List Members, Administrators, Moderators, Members). > > The information for each list is stored in a large database file called > "config.db" which is stored in a directory ~mailman/lists/email-list-name. > The database stores the configuration of the list as well as the members and > the configuration of each member in that file in text format. > Mailman also maintains a backup copy of config.db in the file > "config.db.last". This is a copy of "config.db" before the last time it was > changed. Jon forgot one little detail, which is the format of config.db. It's a Python "marshall" file, ie. written by the "marshall" module from Python's standard library. Mailman comes with a bunch of command-line utilities for viewing/manipulating lists, but if you need to step "outside the box", you'll have to write a bit of Python code. Eg. if you run this from ~mailman: $ python Python 2.1 (#2, May 8 2001, 10:50:59) [GCC 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux)] on linux2 Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> from marshal import load >>> config = load(open("lists/foo/config.db")) the config.db for the "foo" list is loaded into a Python dictionary 'config', which you can then grub about in as much as you please. This is probably not necessary very often, but it's nice to know that it can be done. BTW, this holds for Mailman 2.0 and earlier. I believe Mailman 2.1 uses "pickle" (another, more powerful persistence mechanism for Python) for list config information. > > 6. I'd also like to know what way the lists are stored... > > Are they in a flat file/DB/Hash? How's this achieved for your product? > > The lists are stored in a db format as part of the config.db file. The data > is stored as text, and can be accessed and manipulated by any standard .db > access program. Were you talking about the list meta-data (name of list, subscribers, subscriber options, etc.) or the message archive itself? The archive is stored as one big traditional Unix "mbox" file, ie. with messages separated by "\n\nFrom ". I believe the web interface to the archive is generated by reading that mbox file and spewing a bunch of HTML files. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From arandall at auntminnie.com Mon Oct 1 19:20:50 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:20:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Scaling Mailman References: <3BB64480.7169BD0C@midsouth.rr.com> <20010929182915.A43311@Geeks.ORG> Message-ID: <3BB8A5F2.12F63213@auntminnie.com> Hi, qmail is PDQ as well - when we run the newsletter, we queue up 30,000 messages at once in a matter of minutes; after fifteen minutes the queue is down to a few hundred, and the vast majority of those are international and/or busted receiving hosts that are failing connect on the first try (and second, and sometimes third...) I'm elated by the whole thing ... we started out with qmail and Mailman, and started paring out components of MM we didn't need, and writing in stuff we didn't have, and the end result looks very little like what we started out with ... but in essence, the send process is down to thirty-odd lines of script, running on a workstation machine that's 1/4 as fast with 1/10 the memory and 1/20 the disk space, and it runs twice as fast as (and way, WAY more reliable than) our previous, expensive, CPU-intensive, crash-twice-a-day Windoze app on our massive Dell server. (Ye gods, what I'd give to see *this* thing running on *that* server.) Anyway, suffice it to say, qmail will kick some serious behind. :-) =) Amanda Mike Horwath wrote: > With Postfix, I can deliver 30K messages pretty damn quick. When I > was still using Sendmail and Mailman 1.0 - it would be a few hours. > > Qmail should be almost as fast :) From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Oct 1 21:03:09 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:03:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] footer doesnt appear In-Reply-To: <00bd01c14a58$cb9b13c0$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> References: <00bd01c14a58$cb9b13c0$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> Message-ID: <20011001150309.C2601@mems-exchange.org> On 01 October 2001, Ben-Nes Michael said: > I noticed that when I send HTML page to a mailing list the footer does not > appear. Look closer at the raw HTML landing in list members' mailboxes. I'll bet you'll see the Mailman footer appended after the "". If mail clients don't render that, there's not much you can do. (Short of modifying Mailman to grok MIME and add its footer outside of the HTML message.) > What can be done ? Don't send HTML email to mailing lists. > Is it a bug with mail formating ? No, it's a bug with mail clients that let their users send HTML email. >smirk< Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From dkh at london.com Mon Oct 1 21:05:33 2001 From: dkh at london.com (dkh at london.com) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to a list via web Message-ID: Anyone know of an add-on/extension/contribution that will allow folks to post to a mailing list via the web interface, preferably inside pipermail's display (ie reply to this message, post new message kind of thing coming from the person logged in and not via a single gateway address). Have a user who wants to bend mailman a bit so that it provides some of the functionality of e-groups, smartgroups etc. Suprisingly, there don't seem to be a lot of projects out there that allow this kind of thing, at least that I've found. Apparently due in part to the goal of using bbs/community discussion software to keep users coming back to a site. There are obviously things like usenet/mailing list gateways but being thats a bit much plus would want to take advantage of the user id's/passwords that Mailman is already maintaining. I'm not very up on python but I would assume that this wouldn't be an overly daunting extension. Could use a different mail archive package like hypermail which has the ability but then you wouldn't, as far as I can see, be able to have the same thing for a private archive. No way to take advantage of the user id and password etc. Thoughts or alternatives appreciated. From jos at xos.nl Mon Oct 1 21:07:21 2001 From: jos at xos.nl (Jos Vos) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:07:21 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner: "ValueError : bad marshal data" Message-ID: <200110011907.VAA15367@minnie.xos.nl> Hi, Since some days I see the following errors appearing in the error file every time qrunner runs (and all messages stay in the queue since then): Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): Traceback (innermost last): Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ? Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): kids = main(lock) Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): File "/var/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 164, in dispose_message Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): return HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(mlist, msg, msgdata) Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 149, in DeliverToList Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): pipeline = do_pipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline) Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 78, in do_pipeline Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): mod = __import__('Mailman.Handlers.' + modname) Oct 01 15:03:01 2001 qrunner(7804): ValueError : bad marshal data >From the outside, this message is not very informative about what's really wrong. Can someone help me out here? It has worked fine before and we are not aware of haning changed anything. Thanks, -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV | Phone: +31 20 6938364 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Fax: +31 20 6948204 From arandall at auntminnie.com Mon Oct 1 21:18:56 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 12:18:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages References: <004a01c14955$b3d4cc80$7b895940@jtw> <20011001144058.A2601@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <3BB8C1A0.CC6E1B2A@auntminnie.com> Greg Ward wrote: > You didn't "download a service", you joined an Internet mailing list > devoted to discussing Mailman, a mailing list management tool for Unix. > And those messages come from all over the world, BTW. > > It sounds to me like you're in the wrong place. Instructions for > unsubscribing from the list are included with every list message, or > visit http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users. From there, > unsubscribing isn't too hard -- just look around and you'll see it. Hey, at least he had the sense to know he was in over his head. It takes some big stones to admit that out loud, especially when the world is full of hoity-toity folks just *waiting* for an opportunity to slam you for not knowing everything about everything at birth. :: no wonder users are afraid to call tech support:: =) Amanda From gward at mems-exchange.org Mon Oct 1 21:20:26 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:20:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why https only works from remote hosts ? In-Reply-To: <01100113210900.01396@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> References: <01100113210900.01396@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <20011001152026.D2601@mems-exchange.org> On 01 October 2001, Oliver Egginger said: > Hello, > > from remote hosts everything works fine. > > I'am using mailman 2.0.6 (with Apache 1.3.20 and OpenSSL 0.9.6b in the back). > List subsciption (and so on) works very well (remote and local), > but when I visit the list-owner admin page (via https) from my local machine > ( https:///mailman/admin/test ), > I receive this error message by trying to send the passwort: > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Bad Request Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. > > Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port. > Instead use the HTTPS scheme to access this URL, please. > -------------------------------------------------------------- That's strange. What web browser are you using? And are you accessing your local host using a name that resolves to the loopback interface (127.0.0.1) or to your machine's "real" IP address? It might be that accessing the web server on different network interfaces is the problem; if you're not sure which interface a particular name corresponds to, try using the IP addresses directly -- eg. http://127.0.0.1/mailman/admin/test or http://a.b.c.d/mailman/admin/test where a.b.c.d is your machine's "real" (externally visible) IP address. Just a wild guess. I'd be more inclined to blame your web browser. Also, what web server are you using? Greg From jim at ebizq.net Mon Oct 1 21:22:40 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:22:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestions for Queuing bulk mailings? Message-ID: <041f01c14aae$702dcfe0$6e01a8c0@jim> Hello, I know this really isn't the place for this kind of question, but I'm desperate :) I need to send a newsletter to ~37K people every Monday *night*. We were using Majordomo, and an editor would use a web tool that sent an e-mail to the webmaster (at like 10am monday morning), telling him to send the mailing at XX time that night. So he used "at" to queue a bulk_mail command for majordomo. At XX time that night it would start sending. A day or two later it would finish (sendmail was the MTA) That stunk, so I switched to Mailman when I came onboard (now that list goes out in ~ 5 hours), and the new procedure is for one user (the editor) with permission to post to send an e-mail to the list. That works, but they still want to queue it so it goes out at night. I don't think Mailman can do this, so does anyone have any ideas on how to have something setup to start sending at a certain time? Also can anyone give me hard times for qmail+mailman with a very large list (> 30K members)? I've heard it's "really fast" but that doesn't help me make the sale for qmail... One last item. What's the best way to setup a list as a newsletter? I currently have posting restricted to one or two users, archives are off, held posts are not mailed back to the sender, and the From: header is set to the list name (but it reports list-admin when I get the message - any way to change that?) Thanks a ton -jim Webmaster eBizQ http://www.ebizq.net From jonc at haht.com Mon Oct 1 21:41:37 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator question References: <3BB8B7EB.921D83D6@flash.net> Message-ID: <055701c14ab1$158c7d40$0b04010a@JCARNES> > A question: The postings I have set that they need moderator approval. But my > own postings are delayed, because they come back to me with needing moderator > approval. Can I set Mailman so that I, the moderator, can post directly. > > May God bless all of you on the list. > > Father Richard Gant > Thank you Father! Yes, look in the administration of your list under Privacy Options. There is an option called: Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement Put your email address in there. Take care - Jon Carnes From arandall at auntminnie.com Mon Oct 1 22:08:58 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:08:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestions for Queuing bulk mailings? References: <041f01c14aae$702dcfe0$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <3BB8CD5A.72E4E492@auntminnie.com> Hi Jim, I recently made a post to the effect of the speed of qmail - I have it running on a junk machine that nobody else wanted (see the respect Linux gets around here?! geez); it's an old HP Vectra workstation, p200 (233? I forget) with 64MB ram, and it queues up all thirty thousand messages in about five minutes. Of the ones for which we're able to get an immediate SMTP connect, they are all gone out in approximately fifteen minutes. The several hundred users with mailservers to which we can't get an immediate connect (from any mail server in the building, not just qmail) sometimes take hours to send, but the fault lies somewhere between point A and B (I suspect *at* point B in most instances) and not with qmail. A school district nearby to our office is handling fifty thousand outbound messages a day via qmail on a P133 with 128MB. That same box is also handling pop and real-time virus scanning on both inbound and outbound mail. Their speed, they tell me, is fantastic. They've only had it bog down once (some doofus had a hundred students [teachers? don't remember] upload their very-hefty PowerPoint presentations all at the same time), and have never had it crash. How do ya like them apples? :-) As to the timing thing, you can use Perl (and presumably Python, though that's not my main bag) to send mail for you. That's another custom component I've implemented with surprisingly fantastic results. Basically on Tues/Thurs afternoon, I drop the mail message into a text file in the appropriate directory, and then at the right time, cron starts the script, which runs out, retrieves the message, and sends it to the appropriate addresses. (If it can't find the message dated for that day, it dies, so on Thanksgiving Day, for example, I don't have to do anything special, it just won't run because no message file is available.) If you'd be interested in something like that, drop me a line. =) Amanda Jim Kutter wrote: > Hello, I know this really isn't the place for this kind of question, but I'm desperate :) > > I need to send a newsletter to ~37K people every Monday *night*. We were using Majordomo, and an editor would use a web tool that sent an e-mail to the webmaster (at like 10am monday morning), telling him to send the mailing at XX time that night. So he used "at" to queue a bulk_mail command for majordomo. At XX time that night it would start sending. A day or two later it would finish (sendmail was the MTA) > > That stunk, so I switched to Mailman when I came onboard (now that list goes out in ~ 5 hours), and the new procedure is for one user (the editor) with permission to post to send an e-mail to the list. That works, but they still want to queue it so it goes out at night. > > I don't think Mailman can do this, so does anyone have any ideas on how to have something setup to start sending at a certain time? > > Also can anyone give me hard times for qmail+mailman with a very large list (> 30K members)? I've heard it's "really fast" but that doesn't help me make the sale for qmail... > > One last item. What's the best way to setup a list as a newsletter? I currently have posting restricted to one or two users, archives are off, held posts are not mailed back to the sender, and the From: header is set to the list name (but it reports list-admin when I get the message - any way to change that?) > > Thanks a ton > > -jim > Webmaster > eBizQ > http://www.ebizq.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at 2wire.com Mon Oct 1 22:36:39 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:36:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestions for Queuing bulk mailings? In-Reply-To: Message from Amanda of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:08:58 PDT." <3BB8CD5A.72E4E492@auntminnie.com> References: <041f01c14aae$702dcfe0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB8CD5A.72E4E492@auntminnie.com> Message-ID: <21782.1001968599@2wire.com> On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:08:58 -0700 arandall wrote: > I recently made a post to the effect of the speed of qmail - I > have it running on a junk machine that nobody else wanted (see the > respect Linux gets around here?! geez); it's an old HP Vectra > workstation, p200 (233? I forget) with 64MB ram, and it queues up > all thirty thousand messages in about five minutes. Of the ones > for which we're able to get an immediate SMTP connect, they are > all gone out in approximately fifteen minutes. The several hundred > users with mailservers to which we can't get an immediate connect > (from any mail server in the building, not just qmail) sometimes > take hours to send, but the fault lies somewhere between point A > and B (I suspect *at* point B in most instances) and not with > qmail. FWVLIW I have very similar statistics (which I reported here) under Postfix. My system is chunkier (Dual PII-333), is reasonably well connected (3 T3'sm one to MAE West, two to other local peers/transits). IIRC delivery time for 1,000 RCPT TOs (200 spool entries) down to the only-slow-MXes left is circa 3 minutes. IIRC while there were some issues surrounding Mailman's queue runner to get 20K RCPT TOs (4,000 spool entries) off to the MTA in a unified lump (given that I have no lists that large currently and so much use several messages whose total receipt base sums to 20K) is slightly less clean/rigorous testing suggested that Postfix would drain the same queue down to slow MXes in about 7 minutes. ObNote: I haven't tested or looked at QMail in detail as I've little patience with DJB, less interest in the violence he delivers to the FHS, and just can't be bothered with his lack of licensing. The early apparency here is that the main performance differences between Exim and Postfix surround their handling of slow MXes and in particular, Exim's maintenance of a persistent MX hints DB for appropriate delivery strategies. Thus, at least philosophically Exim seems preferable for loadings with high(er) slow MX rates. > How do ya like them apples? :-) They seem like very non-sendmail-like apples. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Mon Oct 1 22:54:49 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestions for Queuing bulk mailings? In-Reply-To: Message from "Jim Kutter" of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:22:40 EDT." <041f01c14aae$702dcfe0$6e01a8c0@jim> References: <041f01c14aae$702dcfe0$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <21895.1001969689@2wire.com> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:22:40 -0400 Jim Kutter wrote: > Also can anyone give me hard times for qmail+mailman with a very > large list (> 30K members)? I've heard it's "really fast" but that > doesn't help me make the sale for qmail... Hard stats in the MTA field are difficult if not impossible to achieve. There are just too many external factors such as variant RTT, percentage and distribution of slow MXes, distribution of target MXes and their percentage distribution over the load, size of RCPT TO bundling, etc etc etc. Statistically, its a large and thorny problem with any particular numbers derived in one instance likely not applicable elsewhere except as a hint. The most fundamental aspect of MTAs is that they are really not limited by MTA software performance. They are limited by disk IO. While there are minor differences in the exact behaviour of the different MTAs when they run up against the disk IO wall, the numbers when they all do are remarkably similar. This shouldn't be surpising when you consider the requirements for commited writes via open()/fsync()/close(). There are three performant MTAs currently on the Open Source market: Exim, Postfix, and QMail. Exim is a monolothic design much in the manner of SMail, from which it was derived. The author, Philip Hazel, is responsive and helpful. It has excellent documentation, an active support community and the most human readable and understandable config files of any MTA I've seen. it also happens to come with an excellent Mailman HOWTO. In tests here Exim's performance curves were similar to Postfix's, with a lower attack curve and similar delivery rates at the inflection points of constantly-busy and queue-saturated. Exim is particularly good (and aggressive) about maintaining a persistent hints database for slow MXes. If slow MX processing forms a significant percentage of your spool handling. Exim also has extensive config options for minimising/controlling load distribution on the host system which can be useful for multi-purpose servers or timed load distribution. Postfix used a distributed minumum trust design that's somewhat similar to QMail's. The main differences in its design as compared to QMail is that Postfix compromises less with standard interfaces and file system standards. The author, Wietse Venema, is responsive and helpful, and has a long and largely illustrious history in the security community (author of TCP wrappers etc). The Postfix documentation is thorough but sparse. The config files are easily read, but are not as clear as Exim's. In tests here Postfix's delivery rates were similar to Exim's with a higher initial attack curve (and subsequent higher system loading) but similar values at the inflection points. Postfix's queue handling si similarly intelligent to Exim's with the exception that Postfix does not maintain a slow MX hints DB. I didn't bother evaluating QMail. I've little patience with DJB deliberate abrasiveness, less interest in the violence he delivers to the FHS, and just can't be bothered with his lack of licensing. Not worth the time or bother. Cursory examination of other's stats (such as Amanda's) suggests that its performance and load curves are very similar to Postfix's. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Mon Oct 1 22:57:58 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 13:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to a list via web In-Reply-To: Message from dkh@london.com of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 15:05:33 EDT." References: Message-ID: <21947.1001969878@2wire.com> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) dkh wrote: > Anyone know of an add-on/extension/contribution that will allow > folks to post to a mailing list via the web interface, preferably > inside pipermail's display (ie reply to this message, post new > message kind of thing coming from the person logged in and not via > a single gateway address). This can be done under external archives such as MHonARc (which I've done). See previous messages from me in -developers for instructions and details on this. > I'm not very up on python but I would assume that this wouldn't be > an overly daunting extension. Could use a different mail archive > package like hypermail which has the ability but then you > wouldn't, as far as I can see, be able to have the same thing for > a private archive. No way to take advantage of the user id and > password etc. While I don't do that (my archives are public), its fairly easy to drop Mailman auth requirements in .htaccess. IIRC someone has already done this (don't recall details -- search the archives). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Mon Oct 1 23:00:30 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:00:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list... In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Ward of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:55:13 EDT." <20011001145513.B2601@mems-exchange.org> References: <3BB7B94B.42114E@qut.edu.au> <001c01c14a82$0a2a6900$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20011001145513.B2601@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <21987.1001970030@2wire.com> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:55:13 -0400 Greg Ward wrote: > BTW, this holds for Mailman 2.0 and earlier. I believe Mailman > 2.1 uses "pickle" (another, more powerful persistence mechanism > for Python) for list config information. 2.1 implements a plugin and abstraction layer such that you can, if you write the appropriate plugin, store your subscriber database externally to Mailman, such as in an SQL DB, LDAP, etc. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From p at dirac.org Mon Oct 1 23:06:15 2001 From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:06:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with configuring mailman In-Reply-To: <00a301c14aa6$065eb0a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <20011001104931.A29828@dirac.org> <00a301c14aa6$065eb0a0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <20011001140615.A32614@dirac.org> begin: Jon Carnes quote > > i'm trying to follow the mailman config instructions, but am having > trouble. > > i'm on debian woody, using exim as the MTA. > > > > when i run check_perms, i get the following error message: > > > > # ./check_perms > > Traceback (innermost last): > > File "./check_perms", line 280, in ? > > checkcgi() > > File "./check_perms", line 183, in checkcgi > > exes = os.listdir(mm_cfg.CGI_DIR) > > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory > > > > i'm not sure, but this looks like it may be a python error. it's > > sufficiently cryptic (i know no python) that i don't understand it. > > Its says it cannot find the CGI directory. Check to make sure that you told > it the proper place, and that it has permission to access. ok, thanks -- i stuck a print statement in check_perms, and the value of mm_cfg.CGI_DIR is /var/lib/mailman/cgi-bin (python looks very object oriented to me). i think it needs to be /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin. i looked in /etc/mailman, and didn't find anything that obviously set mm_cfg.CGI_DIR. can you give me the name of the config file where i can set this variable? thank you for your help! :) pete -- "You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services ..." -- Clause from license for FrontPage 2002 From claw at 2wire.com Mon Oct 1 23:08:20 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:08:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Few questions for the Mailman list... In-Reply-To: Message from AE Somerville of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:31:07 +1000." <3BB7B94B.42114E@qut.edu.au> References: <3BB7B94B.42114E@qut.edu.au> Message-ID: <22085.1001970500@2wire.com> On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:31:07 +1000 AE Somerville wrote: > I was particulalry interested in: 1. How your software stores and > accesses the mailing list information (List Members, > Administrators, Moderators, Members). Currently they are stored as a Python streamed object. The next version of Mailman implements a plugin and abstraction layer such that you could remove the subscriber information to an external source such as an SQL DB, LDAP, or whatever providing you supply the appropriate plugin (which is fairly simple). > 2. What command line tools or non-web-broswer methods are > available to administer the lists. There are command line tools to create and remove lists, to process archives, to add and remove (lists) of members from specific lists, and to provide low-level Pythonic access to the streamed objects (with_list). > 3. What tools are available to make a mass upload of lists members > and owner/moderator details? The subscriber base tools can add and remove members, and can set (most) config options for individual members (such as digest/nomail). > 4. Can we link in authentication (C code) to authenticate to our > password systems? There are hacks in this area for the current version of Mailman. They are indelicate at best. The situation under the upcoming 2.1 is much prettier, but then 2.1 is also not-quite-ready. > 5. Is there a webbased interface for administrator of the mail > list service. Yes. > 6. I'd also like to know what way the lists are stored... Are > they in a flat file/DB/Hash? How's this achieved for your product? Streamed python objects. > 7. And even though we can add our own adjustments to the code for > the purposes of authentication, are there plans for adding support > for industry supported authentication mechanisms such as Cyrus > SASL? Yes, and no. Yes, there is (going to be) an abstraction and plugin layer which will allow authentication by any means you supply an appropriate plugin for (and the plugin interface is pretty simple). No, there are no specific plans that I know of for any particular auth mechanisms under that abstraction layer other than the Mailman defaults. Such plugins are expected to derive from and be contributed by the Mailman community. Translation: We'd love to see your plugin! -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Mon Oct 1 23:10:09 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:10:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users In-Reply-To: Message from "Ben-Nes Michael" of "Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:01:30 +0200." <00b401c149d1$8d484200$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> References: <00b401c149d1$8d484200$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> Message-ID: <22128.1001970609@2wire.com> On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:01:30 +0200 Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > I need to be able executing remove_members by other users ( like > nobody ) Ouch. Please be aware of the implicit security hole you're opening here. To do this you'll need to write an SUID wrapper which changes its UID to your Mailman user and then runs remove_members under that context. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Oct 1 23:18:33 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users In-Reply-To: <22128.1001970609@2wire.com> Message-ID: On 10/1/01 2:10 PM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: > Ouch. Please be aware of the implicit security hole you're opening > here. Implicit? That's like calling amputation a flesh wound. From claw at 2wire.com Mon Oct 1 23:42:43 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:42:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:18:33 PDT." References: Message-ID: <22457.1001972563@2wire.com> On Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:18:33 -0700 Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On 10/1/01 2:10 PM, "J C Lawrence" wrote: >> Ouch. Please be aware of the implicit security hole you're >> opening here. > Implicit? That's like calling amputation a flesh wound. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Tue Oct 2 07:19:55 2001 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:19:55 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't deliver? Message-ID: I'm sending this to the list cause my head is hurting from banging it at the same things over and over again. I'm just hoping someone can point me in a more productive direction.... preface: have read documentation, browsed archives etc. I'm running Mailman 2.0.6 under Mac OS X 10.0.4, with postfix-20010228-pl04. I've just gotten back from a week holiday, and previous to this, had a perfectly working installation of Mailman. I'm pretty much positive no-one else has touched any of the config (not everyone else is back yet, so it's impossible to be definite), but for some reason Mailman has stopped working properly. The problem is that Mailman seems unable to deliver mail. If I do something like: echo "blah" | mail nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au I get the message fine. If I send a message to a list address, it appears in the archives, but never gets sent. In the Mailman logs I get: (in the smtp file) All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') (in the smtp-failure file) (1620) -1 nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (ignore) I did have this all working, and buggered if I know what has gone wrong... nigel -- N i g e l K e r s t e n Systems Administrator ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 College of Fine Arts, Uni of NSW,Sydney,Australia From alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch Tue Oct 2 08:42:39 2001 From: alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:42:39 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users References: Message-ID: <3BB961DF.F9404009@medecine.unige.ch> Hello Jon and thank you for your answer :-) > The program is open-source, so yes, you can make it do whatever you like. Great. > There is a binary called "remove_members" in ~mailman/bin/... it can > remove anyone from any list. Of course you need telnet or ssh access to > the server to use it. If you need to make this possible via the web, then > you will need to do some writing (or selective deleting). Yes I know, but if the distribution list is ownered by a little secretary of my office I doubt that she knows Un*x... > You could always make available to the public the Admin "membership > management" page. Though I would disable the add function in this case > (for the publicly available page). Will this function be it in the new version of Mailman perhaps? > Doing that would be fairly easy, I would estimate an experienced > admin/hacker could do it in about 6 hours. Yes well on perhaps for you! That under hears that we must know the language Python, and it is not a small matter. In all the case, if somebody has already a solution, he is welcome in this forum. Have a nice day for all. Alain. -- +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Alain Chappuis | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch | | Analyste | WEB : www.medecine, ebn, jid, Sifm | | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis at unige.ch | | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone : +41 (22) [70]25.073 | | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58 | | CH-1211 Geneve 4 | http://ebn.unige.ch/www/alain.html | +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ From claw at kanga.nu Tue Oct 2 08:51:00 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't deliver? In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Kersten of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:19:55 +1000." References: Message-ID: <8037.1002005460@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:19:55 +1000 Nigel Kersten wrote: > All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') Almost certainly your answer is in either your MTA's logs, or in your TCP Wrappers/Firewall logs. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Tue Oct 2 11:53:49 2001 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:53:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why https only works from remote hosts ? In-Reply-To: <20011001152026.D2601@mems-exchange.org> References: <01100113210900.01396@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <20011001152026.D2601@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <01100209534901.01557@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Thank you for your help. > That's strange. What web browser are you using? I belief, I have found the malefactor. It's Konqueror (2.1.1). When I am using Netscape the problem gone completely away. Maybe I have to switch some default settings in the Konqueror configuration, I don't know yet. But this isn't a mailman-topic. regards Oliver From eric-mailman at pretorious.net Tue Oct 2 10:10:40 2001 From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? Message-ID: Hello: Lists set as "public" (i.e., archive_private = 0) aren't appearing in the listinfo page (though they do appear in the admin page). Is there a cure for this? -- Eric P. Los Gatos, CA From claw at kanga.nu Tue Oct 2 10:20:40 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 01:20:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: Message from of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 01:10:40 PDT." References: Message-ID: <9435.1002010840@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT) eric-mailman wrote: > Hello: Lists set as "public" (i.e., archive_private = 0) aren't > appearing in the listinfo page (though they do appear in the admin > page). Is there a cure for this? Your VHosts don't agree. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From eric-mailman at pretorious.net Tue Oct 2 10:33:07 2001 From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: <9435.1002010840@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:10:40 -0700 (PDT) > eric-mailman wrote: > > > Hello: Lists set as "public" (i.e., archive_private = 0) aren't > > appearing in the listinfo page (though they do appear in the admin > > page). Is there a cure for this? > > Your VHosts don't agree. JC: Recursively grep'ing $prefix, the only reference to vhost appears in $prefix/bin/list_lists. (And that doesn't tell me nothin'!) Please elaborate. -- Eric P. Los Gatos, CA From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Tue Oct 2 12:18:52 2001 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 03:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 eric-mailman at pretorious.net wrote: > Hello: > > Lists set as "public" (i.e., archive_private = 0) aren't appearing in the > listinfo page (though they do appear in the admin page). Is there a cure > for this? > > -- > Eric P. > Los Gatos, CA I'd like to add that I am also seeing the same problem with 2.0.6. I just upgraded to Mailman 2.0.6. The only odd thing about our setup is that the web server and mail server are different machines. Mailman installation lives in /opt/mailman on the mail server and is exported to the web server over NFS with full read-write privileges. The publicly advertised lists are not listed in /mailman/listinfo any more. It used to work fine before the upgrade. -akop From vizisz at freemail.hu Tue Oct 2 13:28:30 2001 From: vizisz at freemail.hu (Szilard Vizi) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:28:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: remove_members by other users In-Reply-To: <22128.1001970609@2wire.com>; from claw@2wire.com on Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 02:10:09PM -0700 References: <00b401c149d1$8d484200$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> <22128.1001970609@2wire.com> Message-ID: <20011002132830.A805@freemail.hu> Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > I need to be able executing remove_members by other users ( like > nobody ) Maybe I can give you a trick. Generate a list of the members who you want to delete from the list as the "other user" and dump it to a text file which is readable and writable for Mailman. Save this script into your Mailman/bin/ dir as delete.sh: #!/bin/bash if [ -f /tmp/unwanted_members.txt ]; then ~/bin/remove_members -f /tmp/unwanted_members.txt listname rm -rf /tmp/unwanted_members.txt fi And run this script from the Mailman's crontab entry. Eg. if you want to syncronize your memberlist every day 5 am: 0 5 * * * /home/mailman/bin/delete.sh That is all. Szilard Vizi ------------- mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu UIN:10676592 From james at FuturisTech.net Tue Oct 2 13:55:22 2001 From: james at FuturisTech.net (James Watson) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:55:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: ; from eric-mailman@pretorious.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:10:40AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20011002075522.E19153@thunder.int.futuristech.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:10:40AM -0700, eric-mailman at pretorious.net wrote: > Lists set as "public" (i.e., archive_private = 0) aren't appearing in the > listinfo page (though they do appear in the admin page). Is there a cure > for this? Not sure if this is your problem or not, but there's a bug in the listinfo page, which requires that the case of the Base URL for the list match the url entered in your browser. You can avoid this by setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in your mm_cfg.py file. -James -- James Watson Futuristic Technologies, LLC james at FuturisTech.net 716 South Main St. (229) 985 - 7515 Moultrie, GA 31768 www.FuturisTech.net <>< From abigail at webfavor.com Tue Oct 2 15:20:02 2001 From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:20:02 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - questions Message-ID: <18238977893.20011002062002@webfavor.com> Is there a way to either prevent email with attachments from coming through the list, or filter email to block specific content in the body of messages (or both)? My main concern, obviously, is security. Thanks, Abigail From buehler at freestate.net Tue Oct 2 15:21:05 2001 From: buehler at freestate.net (Paul) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok, what's up with python? (ImportError) when running mailman configure.. Message-ID: I get this error when running configure. Seems most of the python commands fail, despite having a clean install. This can't be this difficult!!! I've set my path.. echo $PYTHONPATH /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload File "conftest.py", line 1, in ? import pwd, string ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initpwd) >From the python build dir (Setup.dist) Is this my problem? # Modules with some UNIX dependencies -- on by default: # (If you have a really backward UNIX, select and socket may not be # supported...) #fcntl fcntlmodule.c # fcntl(2) and ioctl(2) #pwd pwdmodule.c # pwd(3) #grp grpmodule.c # grp(3) "Uamau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono." ... The life of the land is perpetuated in Righteousness.. () () Paul Buehler ----/---/----- Freestate Networks (301) 776-1736 From djrosen at massed.net Tue Oct 2 15:42:51 2001 From: djrosen at massed.net (djrosen at massed.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: I operate a moderated (mailman) list. As the moderator/list owner,I wonder if it is possible to edit messages (for example, to correct spelling.) If so, how do I do that? Also, is it possible for a list owner to set up the list archives so that messages are listed chronologically with the most recent message at the top (not the bottom) of the archive? Thanks for your help, David -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From rgant at flash.net Tue Oct 2 15:51:02 2001 From: rgant at flash.net (Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:51:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails Message-ID: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> Dear Mailman list: Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) changed to the Mailman program yesterday, our moderators' list (which has 40 to 50 moderators) is flooded with blank emails. Each moderator's list gets them with the name of his or her own list. E.G. mine come to cinjub-admin at cin.org The forwarded letter below blanks come to cinmain-admin at cin.org because he is the moderator of the CINMAIN list. Can anyone offer suggestions? Father Richard Gant, CIN Jubilee 2000 moderator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Otto ( seewig at att.net) wrote: > Hi: > I have been patient all day, but my mailbox is still overflowing at a > rate of 200-300 empty messages an hour coming from , > that's already over 2000 > messages today. > > Does anyone have a solution short of canceling my account with my ISP ? > > I want to believe they are working on it, but,....... I know, Lynn, I am > whining. Any other solution meanwhile? > > Otto seewig at att.net > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Otto wrote: > > >Hi, Nonnie: > >Now I understand what you meant when you were saying "tons of them". I > >received 850 of them over night. All blank, fortunately, or my mailbox > >would have gone bust. > > > >Any idea how to stop them? Because they are still coming at a rate of > >3-4 a minute. > > > >Heeeeelp!!!!!! > > > >Otto seewig at att.net > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Wenonah Kateri wenonahkateri at yahoo.com wrote: > > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: > >>>Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 10:39 PM > >>> > >>> > >>Is everyone getting these blank e-mails? I get tons of them. They seem to > >>be connected to posts, but not always. > >> > >>Nonnie wenonahkateri at yahoo.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Cinmod mailing list > >>Cinmod at cin.org > >>http://www.cin.org/mailman/listinfo/cinmod -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011002/cb92a6f7/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Otto Subject: Re: [Cinmod] Fw: Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:21:07 -0700 Size: 3562 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011002/cb92a6f7/attachment.mht From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Oct 2 15:52:07 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:52:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't deliver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011002095207.A704@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Nigel Kersten said: > If I send a message to a list address, it appears in the archives, but > never gets sent. In the Mailman logs I get: > > (in the smtp file) > > All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') Assuming Mailman is configured to connect to the SMTP server on the same host (the most obvious and common configuration, I think), try this from the Mailman host: $ telnet localhost 25 Then look at your firewall, your MTA configuration, TCP wrappers, etc. This ia not a Mailman problem -- Mailman tells you what the problem is in its log! Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Oct 2 15:59:36 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok, what's up with python? (ImportError) when running mailman configure.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011002095936.B704@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Paul said: > I get this error when running configure. Seems most of the python commands > fail, despite having a clean install. This can't be this difficult!!! > > I've set my path.. > echo $PYTHONPATH > /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload > > > File "conftest.py", line 1, in ? > import pwd, string > ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initpwd) Your Python installation is either incomplete or deeply screwed up. Did you build Python yourself, or was it included with the OS? (Most Linux distributions include it, but they also usually get it right.) > >From the python build dir (Setup.dist) > > Is this my problem? > > # Modules with some UNIX dependencies -- on by default: > # (If you have a really backward UNIX, select and socket may not be > # supported...) > > #fcntl fcntlmodule.c # fcntl(2) and ioctl(2) > #pwd pwdmodule.c # pwd(3) > #grp grpmodule.c # grp(3) That's probably the problem. You're not going to get very far in life without working pwd and grp modules -- those are the Python interfaces to getpwnam(), getpwuid(), getgrnam(), etc. Crucial for something like Mailman. Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Oct 2 16:03:39 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:03:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails In-Reply-To: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> References: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> Message-ID: <20011002100339.C704@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT) said: > Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) changed to the Mailman > program yesterday, our moderators' list (which has 40 to 50 > moderators) is flooded with blank emails. Yikes! The first thing I would do is start tailing log files to try and identify a culprit. Mailman's logs are in ~mailman/logs; I would tail -f post smtp smtp-failure qrunner for a start. (Umm, this assumes GNU tail -- older, more primitive Unices are not as capable. I'm assuming you know something about administering a Unix system, otherwise you probably shouldn't be using Mailman.) Of course, your MTA is also a factor. Which MTA are you using, anyways? Whatever, I'm presuming you know where its logs are -- go tail them, too. Or hell, just *look* at the logs from overnight, when your poor moderators were getting 100s of messages. Old info is better than no info. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 16:07:44 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:07:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - questions References: <18238977893.20011002062002@webfavor.com> Message-ID: <009e01c14b4b$9b7d38f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> > Is there a way to either prevent email with attachments from coming > through the list, or filter email to block specific content in the > body of messages (or both)? > > My main concern, obviously, is security. > > Thanks, > > Abigail These are not functions of Mailman, but Mimedefang will do both rather nicely (and selectively). Jon Carnes From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 16:13:24 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:13:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails References: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> <20011002100339.C704@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <00ad01c14b4c$666fdf90$0b04010a@JCARNES> I agree with Greg: "Yikes!" This is not a characteristic of Mailman, but sounds more like an MTA problem. You may have a mail loop setup somewhere in your alias or redirect files. If you could forward some of the headers to us, we could trace the mail for you and give better input as to where the problem may lay. Of course the best place to look is in your log files... Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Ward" To: "Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails > On 02 October 2001, Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT) said: > > Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) changed to the Mailman > > program yesterday, our moderators' list (which has 40 to 50 > > moderators) is flooded with blank emails. > > Yikes! > > The first thing I would do is start tailing log files to try and > identify a culprit. Mailman's logs are in ~mailman/logs; I would > tail -f post smtp smtp-failure qrunner > for a start. (Umm, this assumes GNU tail -- older, more primitive > Unices are not as capable. I'm assuming you know something about > administering a Unix system, otherwise you probably shouldn't be using > Mailman.) > > Of course, your MTA is also a factor. Which MTA are you using, anyways? > Whatever, I'm presuming you know where its logs are -- go tail them, > too. > > Or hell, just *look* at the logs from overnight, when your poor > moderators were getting 100s of messages. Old info is better than no > info. > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rgant at flash.net Tue Oct 2 16:18:11 2001 From: rgant at flash.net (Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails References: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> <20011002100339.C704@mems-exchange.org> <00ad01c14b4c$666fdf90$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <3BB9CCA3.A41725D2@flash.net> Here are one of the headers of blank email. Fr. Gant Received: from vm5-ext.prodigy.net ([127.0.0.1]) by vm5-wfldad with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:59:54 -0400 Received: from margaret.mollerus.org (24.158.17.115.dul.nc.chartermi.net [24.158.17.115]) by vm5-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f91JxD983938 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from 24.158.17.115.dul.nc.chartermi.net (IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by margaret.mollerus.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19) with ESMTP id f91Jx36E010579; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:59:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:59:03 -0500 From: cinjub-admin at www.cin.org Message-ID: <200110011959.f91Jx36E010579 at margaret.mollerus.org> Sender: cinjub-owner at www.cin.org Errors-To: cinjub-owner at www.cin.org X-Beenthere: cinjub at www.cin.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: CIN Jubilee 2000--Catholic News Around the World List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 8FD2E494E80C9B03179B40A419892382 Jon Carnes wrote: > I agree with Greg: "Yikes!" > This is not a characteristic of Mailman, but sounds more like an MTA > problem. You may have a mail loop setup somewhere in your alias or redirect > files. > > If you could forward some of the headers to us, we could trace the mail for > you and give better input as to where the problem may lay. > Of course the best place to look is in your log files... > > Jon Carnes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Ward" > To: "Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators > List flooded with blank emails > > > On 02 October 2001, Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT) > said: > > > Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) changed to the Mailman > > > program yesterday, our moderators' list (which has 40 to 50 > > > moderators) is flooded with blank emails. > > > > Yikes! > > > > The first thing I would do is start tailing log files to try and > > identify a culprit. Mailman's logs are in ~mailman/logs; I would > > tail -f post smtp smtp-failure qrunner > > for a start. (Umm, this assumes GNU tail -- older, more primitive > > Unices are not as capable. I'm assuming you know something about > > administering a Unix system, otherwise you probably shouldn't be using > > Mailman.) > > > > Of course, your MTA is also a factor. Which MTA are you using, anyways? > > Whatever, I'm presuming you know where its logs are -- go tail them, > > too. > > > > Or hell, just *look* at the logs from overnight, when your poor > > moderators were getting 100s of messages. Old info is better than no > > info. > > > > Greg > > -- > > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011002/8b9bb607/attachment.htm From jim at ebizq.net Tue Oct 2 16:53:22 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:53:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting Message-ID: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> Hello again folks. You've all been tremendous help for me recently, but I have a another question. I am using mailman to manage a newsletter list (with some other lists - but that's the primary use), and obviously I don't want to allow public postings to a newsletter. So I set the e-mail address of the person who composes the newsletter as the only one allowed to post to the list. So, in order to protect my users from their users :) I set the list to hide the sender of the message. So here's the problem - the newsletters go out saying they're from newsletter-owner, and the admin of the list (me) gets all the "Out of office", "remove me pls!", "undeliverable" et al. This amounts to ~400 e-mails whenever the letter goes out... Any suggestions? Thanks -jim From claw at kanga.nu Tue Oct 2 17:28:06 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:28:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: Message from of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 01:33:07 PDT." References: Message-ID: <13840.1002036486@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:33:07 -0700 (PDT) eric-mailman wrote: >> Your VHosts don't agree. > Recursively grep'ing $prefix, the only reference to vhost appears > in $prefix/bin/list_lists. (And that doesn't tell me nothin'!) > Please elaborate. Hostname this list prefers on the first admin page for each list must match the VHost you want that list's web interface to appear under. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Oct 2 17:30:31 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:30:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - questions In-Reply-To: Message from Abigail Marshall of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 06:20:02 PDT." <18238977893.20011002062002@webfavor.com> References: <18238977893.20011002062002@webfavor.com> Message-ID: <13930.1002036631@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:20:02 -0700 Abigail Marshall wrote: > Is there a way to either prevent email with attachments from > coming through the list, or filter email to block specific content > in the body of messages (or both)? Search the list archives for demine, stripmime and mimefilter. Loosely, you'll need to remove the offending parts prior to Mailman getting them. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Oct 2 17:32:16 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:32:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message from "djrosen@massed.net" of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:42:51 EDT." References: Message-ID: <13973.1002036736@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:42:51 -0400 djrosen wrote: > I operate a moderated (mailman) list. As the moderator/list > owner,I wonder if it is possible to edit messages (for example, to > correct spelling.) Currently, no, not from the web interface. You can of course edit the queue entries in ~/data from the command line, but that's unlikely what you want. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Oct 2 17:35:27 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:35:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails In-Reply-To: Message from "Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)" of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:51:02 CDT." <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> References: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> Message-ID: <14036.1002036927@kanga.nu> On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:51:02 -0500 Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity <(SOLT)" > wrote: > Dear Mailman list: Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) > changed to the Mailman program yesterday, our moderators' list > (which has 40 to 50 moderators) is flooded with blank emails. > Each moderator's list gets them with the name of his or her own > list. E.G. mine come to cinjub-admin at cin.org The forwarded letter > below blanks come to cinmain-admin at cin.org because he is the > moderator of the CINMAIN list. Can anyone offer suggestions? Likely one of two things is true: 1) You have problems with your MTA. See your MTA logs for details. 2) One of the mail servers you are delivering to is incorrectly configured (massively) and is screwing up how it handles bounces (likely for a mailbox full condition). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From valites at geneseo.edu Tue Oct 2 17:36:00 2001 From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:36:00 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: [Mailman-Users] Problem subscribing to lists via web] Message-ID: <3BB9DEE0.7030006@geneseo.edu> Still no luck with the problems below. I'm not sure what each of the functions listed in the cron output and the error logs do, but I began to think that my config.db's all got fubared somehow. I have since added additional lists, thereby creating new databases, however, I still get the same errors. I'm beginning to doubt the dbs are messed up. I'm not certain it's a specific script that's puking either, since several are listed in the errors below. Perhaps they all have a common built-in function that's croaking? I'm learning python on the fly - am I missing something obvious? Can any one give me more info about the functions in the error codes, or point me down a (narrower) road to investigate? I have 626 lists that no one can subscribe themselves to right now. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Mark T. Valites" Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem subscribing to lists via web Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:17:20 -0400 Size: 4891 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011002/f2ce342e/attachment.mht From arandall at auntminnie.com Tue Oct 2 18:04:08 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:04:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails References: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> <14036.1002036927@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3BB9E577.69DE6EA0@auntminnie.com> Or, you could sprinkle a little holy water on it, Father; I hear that banishes a multitude of otherwise unexplainable perversities. :-) Just be careful with the electronic components... It sure looks like something packed its bags and went to Barbados in the MTA - or in the aliases for your lists? ::thinking out loud:: I'm also idly wondering, out of left field, what the settings are for your "umbrella-lists" and if you've got something in there that shouldn't be. We had a well-meaning tester put the name of a *parent* list in the umbrella-list box for a child list, and that was pretty ugly. The messages weren't blank, though. Hm. =) Amanda J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:51:02 -0500 > Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity <(SOLT)" > wrote: > > > Dear Mailman list: Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) > > changed to the Mailman program yesterday, our moderators' list > > (which has 40 to 50 moderators) is flooded with blank emails. > > Each moderator's list gets them with the name of his or her own > > list. E.G. mine come to cinjub-admin at cin.org The forwarded letter > > below blanks come to cinmain-admin at cin.org because he is the > > moderator of the CINMAIN list. Can anyone offer suggestions? > > Likely one of two things is true: > > 1) You have problems with your MTA. See your MTA logs for > details. > > 2) One of the mail servers you are delivering to is incorrectly > configured (massively) and is screwing up how it handles bounces > (likely for a mailbox full condition). > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From arandall at auntminnie.com Tue Oct 2 18:11:48 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:11:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> This sounds familiar! Only we get ~1800 per edition of newsletter... doctors really love their "Your message has been received" and "I'm out of the office today" vacation settings. :-) Quick and dirty answer - you could set your Reply-To to some other location. That will of course direct not only the vacation messaging, receipt-acknowledgements, and other bargle to that reply-to, but also all the unsubscribes, tech-question mail, and whatnot. You *can * route it to the bitbucket if you like (e.g. an alias that points to /dev/null) or you can route it to a box you can sift through (manually or otherwise) at your convenience. Bounce and rejection notices should still come back to the apparent sender of the message (in your case, listowner), which can be handy if you want to count bounces (which we do). =) Amanda Jim Kutter wrote: > Hello again folks. You've all been tremendous help for me recently, but I have a another question. > > I am using mailman to manage a newsletter list (with some other lists - but that's the primary use), and obviously I don't want to allow public postings to a newsletter. So I set the e-mail address of the person who composes the newsletter as the only one allowed to post to the list. So, in order to protect my users from their users :) I set the list to hide the sender of the message. > > So here's the problem - the newsletters go out saying they're from newsletter-owner, and the admin of the list (me) gets all the "Out of office", "remove me pls!", "undeliverable" et al. This amounts to ~400 e-mails whenever the letter goes out... > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > -jim > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 18:34:43 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:34:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <00fb01c14b60$242ac190$0b04010a@JCARNES> > Hello again folks. You've all been tremendous help for me recently, but I have a another question. > > I am using mailman to manage a newsletter list (with some other lists - but that's the primary use), and obviously I don't want to allow public postings to a newsletter. So I set the e-mail address of the person who composes the newsletter as the only one allowed to post to the list. So, in order to protect my users from their users :) I set the list to hide the sender of the message. > > So here's the problem - the newsletters go out saying they're from newsletter-owner, and the admin of the list (me) gets all the "Out of office", "remove me pls!", "undeliverable" et al. This amounts to ~400 e-mails whenever the letter goes out... > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks > -jim You can always change the alias for listname-owner to be /dev/null (assuming you never want to hear from the users). If you do that, *please* add in the footer that reply to's are not read, and make sure they know how to get off the list! Another alternative is to use a preprocessor on your email (like Procmail) and sort out or dev/null the various messages before you download them. Jon Carnes From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 18:43:05 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:43:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem subscribing to lists via web] References: <3BB9DEE0.7030006@geneseo.edu> Message-ID: <011401c14b61$4f098760$0b04010a@JCARNES> > Still no luck with the problems below. I'm not sure what each of the > functions listed in the cron output and the error logs do, but I began > to think that my config.db's all got fubared somehow. I have since > added additional lists, thereby creating new databases, however, I still > get the same errors. I'm beginning to doubt the dbs are messed up. I'm > not certain it's a specific script that's puking either, since several > are listed in the errors below. Perhaps they all have a common built-in > function that's croaking? I'm learning python on the fly - am I > missing something obvious? Can any one give me more info about the > functions in the error codes, or point me down a (narrower) road to > investigate? I have 626 lists that no one can subscribe themselves to > right now. > Sounds like a hard-drive or an NFS mounting problem. Are the directories mounted via NFS? Is there currently a problem with NFS on the machines? Has one of the partitions filled up with data so there is no more room on it? If any of the above is true you would get those errors and then your config files really could easily become corrupt as users attempt to add and delete themselves to your lists. Jon Carnes From abigail at webfavor.com Tue Oct 2 18:50:18 2001 From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user - questions In-Reply-To: <13930.1002036631@kanga.nu> References: <18238977893.20011002062002@webfavor.com> <13930.1002036631@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <4051596389.20011002095018@webfavor.com> Tuesday, October 02, 2001, 8:30:31 AM, J C Lawrence wrote: JCL> Search the list archives for demine, stripmime and mimefilter. JCL> Loosely, you'll need to remove the offending parts prior to Mailman JCL> getting them. Thanks so much! Stripmime worked like a charm - it took only minutes to install and effectively blocks all attachments and HTML encoding. I appreciate the fast reply. -Abigail From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 18:57:50 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:57:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails References: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> <20011002100339.C704@mems-exchange.org> <00ad01c14b4c$666fdf90$0b04010a@JCARNES> <3BB9CCA3.A41725D2@flash.net> Message-ID: <012201c14b63$5ef20790$0b04010a@JCARNES> Who is defined as cinjub-owner at www.cin.org. Look at the aliasing and find out everyone who this email goes to and then see if any of those folks have any forwards or other aliasing for their addresses. Sender: cinjub-owner at www.cin.org Errors-To: cinjub-owner at www.cin.org There is nothing obvious in the single header. The mail originates from margaret.mollerus.org which is running a beta version of Sendmail: (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19). Are all the mails from margaret.mollerus.org? If that doesn't help, could you send a few more different headers? I'll look for some patterns. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT) To: Jon Carnes Cc: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails Here are one of the headers of blank email. Fr. Gant Received: from vm5-ext.prodigy.net ([127.0.0.1]) by vm5-wfldad with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:59:54 -0400 Received: from margaret.mollerus.org (24.158.17.115.dul.nc.chartermi.net [24.158.17.115]) by vm5-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f91JxD983938 for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from 24.158.17.115.dul.nc.chartermi.net (IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]) by margaret.mollerus.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19) with ESMTP id f91Jx36E010579; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:59:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:59:03 -0500 From: cinjub-admin at www.cin.org Message-ID: <200110011959.f91Jx36E010579 at margaret.mollerus.org> Sender: cinjub-owner at www.cin.org Errors-To: cinjub-owner at www.cin.org X-Beenthere: cinjub at www.cin.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: CIN Jubilee 2000--Catholic News Around the World List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 8FD2E494E80C9B03179B40A419892382 Jon Carnes wrote: I agree with Greg: "Yikes!" This is not a characteristic of Mailman, but sounds more like an MTA problem. You may have a mail loop setup somewhere in your alias or redirect files. If you could forward some of the headers to us, we could trace the mail for you and give better input as to where the problem may lay. Of course the best place to look is in your log files... Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Ward" To: "Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails > On 02 October 2001, Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT) said: > > Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) changed to the Mailman > > program yesterday, our moderators' list (which has 40 to 50 > > moderators) is flooded with blank emails. > > Yikes! > > The first thing I would do is start tailing log files to try and > identify a culprit. Mailman's logs are in ~mailman/logs; I would > tail -f post smtp smtp-failure qrunner > for a start. (Umm, this assumes GNU tail -- older, more primitive > Unices are not as capable. I'm assuming you know something about > administering a Unix system, otherwise you probably shouldn't be using > Mailman.) > > Of course, your MTA is also a factor. Which MTA are you using, anyways? > Whatever, I'm presuming you know where its logs are -- go tail them, > too. > > Or hell, just *look* at the logs from overnight, when your poor > moderators were getting 100s of messages. Old info is better than no > info. > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a setting that allows me to set it up to keep the PDF file as an attachment rather than embedding it in the message? Thanks! Larry From khuang at redhat.com Tue Oct 2 19:16:22 2001 From: khuang at redhat.com (Kiat Huang) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:16:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a subscriber's lists Message-ID: <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> Hi, Is there a way through the web interface or other means (say as the mailman admin, or a user not root (linux)) that can list all the lists a given user is subscribed to? Cheers, Kiat -------------------------------------------------------------- Kiat Huang direct: +44 1483 734924 Systems Administrator office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat Europe mobile: +44 7866 626855 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF GnuPG CA5FE3D6 8136 261E 9C0B 1837 A6D4 0F30 A223 3513 CA5F -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 240 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011002/753f5653/attachment.pgp From lists at openunix.de Tue Oct 2 19:27:19 2001 From: lists at openunix.de (Franz Georg =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6hler?=) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:27:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PDF Attachments In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <20011002192719.A8001@fgk.bofh.hanau.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:13:10PM -0400, Larry Hansford wrote: > > The problem is that in testing sending this newsletter as an PDF > attachment, Mailman sends it out as an embedded text message -- unreadable > 50Kb of ASCII code. Mailman should not touch your message's mime-headers. Perhaps there is a problem with your client's settings? -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | http://www.hanau.net/fgk/ When in doubt, tell the truth. | | 0x5E7A588D -- Mark Twain | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From valites at geneseo.edu Tue Oct 2 19:32:21 2001 From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem subscribing to lists via web] References: <3BB9DEE0.7030006@geneseo.edu> <011401c14b61$4f098760$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <3BB9FA25.7080901@geneseo.edu> Jon, thanks for such a quick response, The mailman dir is located on a sun T3 storage array which is directly attached to the machine running mailman in this case, a sunfire 280R running SunOS 5.8 Mailman's home dir is located in a directory which is indeed nfs exported to several machines, however none of them use this mailman dir... The quota for user mailman is no where near being filled, and the slice it resides on has plenty of free room. What confuses me further is that dumpdb appears to to get all the info for the list. I was hoping not to need to ask, but should I need to (oh and I feel the pain already - 626 lists is going to hurt), what are recommendations for rebuilding these lists? There are backups, but I'm not sure how much that is going to help - I work at an academic institution, where activity from mailman pretty much ceases during the summer, so I'm not even sure when this broke. What magic can I concoct from the existing mailman utils and information from dumpdb? I've also read that there are differences between mm 2.0 (run on this machine) and 2.06, which I may be interested in upgrading to if I need go there. Jon Carnes wrote: >>Still no luck with the problems below. I'm not sure what each of the >>functions listed in the cron output and the error logs do, but I began >>to think that my config.db's all got fubared somehow. I have since >>added additional lists, thereby creating new databases, however, I still >>get the same errors. I'm beginning to doubt the dbs are messed up. I'm >>not certain it's a specific script that's puking either, since several >>are listed in the errors below. Perhaps they all have a common built-in >>function that's croaking? I'm learning python on the fly - am I >>missing something obvious? Can any one give me more info about the >>functions in the error codes, or point me down a (narrower) road to >>investigate? I have 626 lists that no one can subscribe themselves to >>right now. >> >Sounds like a hard-drive or an NFS mounting problem. Are the directories >mounted via NFS? Is there currently a problem with NFS on the machines? >Has one of the partitions filled up with data so there is no more room on >it? > >If any of the above is true you would get those errors and then your config >files really could easily become corrupt as users attempt to add and delete >themselves to your lists. > >Jon Carnes > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Oct 2 19:58:41 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:58:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting In-Reply-To: <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> Message-ID: <20011002135840.A1814@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Amanda said: > Quick and dirty answer - you could set your Reply-To to some other > location. Not quite -- a correctly-configured auto-responder (apparently they do exist) will reply to the envelope sender, or the address in the "From" or "Sender" headers if it doesn't know the envelope sender. Any auto-responder that replies to "Reply-to" should be taken out and shot. (Uh-oh: aren't you the one who gently scolded me yesterday for being a bit abrasive? I'd better tone down this "harsh justice on the Internet frontier" rhetoric... ;-) Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Oct 2 20:01:51 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PDF Attachments In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <20011002140151.B1814@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Larry Hansford said: > The problem is that in testing sending this newsletter as an PDF > attachment, Mailman sends it out as an embedded text message -- unreadable > 50Kb of ASCII code. > > Is there a setting that allows me to set it up to keep the PDF file as an > attachment rather than embedding it in the message? Have you tried sending the message to a regular email account, ie. with no Mailman in the way? Mailman doesn't do anything with MIME in list messages, so this is probably a problem with your mail client. (Specifically, I bet it's not setting the content-type to "application/pdf".) Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Oct 2 20:09:50 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a subscriber's lists In-Reply-To: <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> References: <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20011002140950.C1814@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Kiat Huang said: > Is there a way through the web interface or other means (say as the > mailman admin, or a user not root (linux)) that can list all the lists a > given user is subscribed to? This works for me as root (using bash): cd ~mailman for list in lists/* ; do ./bin/list_members $list | grep -s $address && echo $list done Any user in group "mailman" should be able to run this as well. It's inefficient, but as long as you don't have 100 lists with 10000 subscribers each, it shouldn't be too painful. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From jim at ebizq.net Tue Oct 2 20:30:48 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> Message-ID: <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> Ok. Interesting. I think I will look into procmail to filter out garbage since I want unsibscribe requests and the like to go to a tech support mail account. That brings me to another question - what's an accurate method of counting the number of bounces? I was grepping the bounce log and counting the number of bounces for my newsletter. That will only work however if I wipe the bounce log every few days - and even then I won't get a very accurate count... Also - as far as stats go, in the smtp log, is that a fair count for how many messages really got sent? I don't care so much about how many people actually read the messages, but my sales team wants a fairly accurate count of how many people are really getting the newsletter... Thanks -jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda" To: "Jim Kutter" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting > This sounds familiar! Only we get ~1800 per edition of newsletter... doctors really love their "Your message has been received" and "I'm out of the office today" vacation settings. :-) > > Quick and dirty answer - you could set your Reply-To to some other location. That will of course direct not only the vacation messaging, receipt-acknowledgements, and other bargle to that reply-to, but also all the unsubscribes, tech-question mail, and whatnot. You *can * route it to the bitbucket if you like (e.g. an alias that points to /dev/null) or you can route it to a box you can > sift through (manually or otherwise) at your convenience. > > Bounce and rejection notices should still come back to the apparent sender of the message (in your case, listowner), which can be handy if you want to count bounces (which we do). > > =) > Amanda > > > Jim Kutter wrote: > > > Hello again folks. You've all been tremendous help for me recently, but I have a another question. > > > > I am using mailman to manage a newsletter list (with some other lists - but that's the primary use), and obviously I don't want to allow public postings to a newsletter. So I set the e-mail address of the person who composes the newsletter as the only one allowed to post to the list. So, in order to protect my users from their users :) I set the list to hide the sender of the message. > > > > So here's the problem - the newsletters go out saying they're from newsletter-owner, and the admin of the list (me) gets all the "Out of office", "remove me pls!", "undeliverable" et al. This amounts to ~400 e-mails whenever the letter goes out... > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks > > -jim > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From arandall at auntminnie.com Tue Oct 2 20:39:44 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <20011002135840.A1814@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <3BBA09F0.23754DAD@auntminnie.com> Greg Ward wrote: > On 02 October 2001, Amanda said: > > > Quick and dirty answer - you could set your Reply-To to some other > > location. > > Not quite -- a correctly-configured auto-responder (apparently they do > exist) will reply to the envelope sender, or the address in the "From" > or "Sender" headers if it doesn't know the envelope sender. Any > auto-responder that replies to "Reply-to" should be taken out and shot. Heheh ... perhaps, perhaps not, but we all know that standards differ from reality. :-) All I can say is, setting the reply-to to a different destination mailbox has cut down on our bilge from autoresponders and the like by 99%. > (Uh-oh: aren't you the one who gently scolded me yesterday for being a > bit abrasive? I'd better tone down this "harsh justice on the Internet > frontier" rhetoric... ;-) Oh, puh. =) I scolded you for leaping on a poor defenseless lost clueless person. As long as you're not the witch eating Hansel and Gretel, I'm your friend. Really. ::grin:: Hey, sometimes my job bleeds over into my life - one of my most important functions is to be my users' knight in shining armor, you know, to defend the weak from the strong, champion the poor, uphold the righteous, etc., or however that goes. *Someone* has to represent the needs of the unwashed to dev and ops, after all. :-) Sorry if I landed on you harder than was warranted... ::Is it still Monday? It still feels like Monday...:: =) Amanda From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com Tue Oct 2 20:39:38 2001 From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:39:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PDF Attachments In-Reply-To: <20011002140151.B1814@mems-exchange.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002143047.028d0e40@64.65.196.198> At 02:01 PM 10/2/01, Greg Ward wrote: >On 02 October 2001, Larry Hansford said: > > The problem is that in testing sending this newsletter as an PDF > > attachment, Mailman sends it out as an embedded text message -- unreadable > > 50Kb of ASCII code. > > > > Is there a setting that allows me to set it up to keep the PDF file as an > > attachment rather than embedding it in the message? > >Have you tried sending the message to a regular email account, ie. with >no Mailman in the way? Mailman doesn't do anything with MIME in list >messages, so this is probably a problem with your mail client. >(Specifically, I bet it's not setting the content-type to >"application/pdf".) > > Greg Thanks, Greg! The problem seems to be solved, but I'm not sure why. I checked my Eudora setup, and all seemed well. I went into the "TEST" group admin page, and changed the setting for message size from the default of 40K to 120K -- the actual PDF attachment I was testing with is 39K -- and re-started Sendmail to ensure all was clean with it's load, aliases.db file, etc. I then re-sent the message, and all came through properly. Larry From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 20:43:32 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a subscriber's lists In-Reply-To: Message from Kiat Huang of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 10:16:22 PDT." <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> References: <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> Message-ID: <29382.1002048212@2wire.com> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:16:22 -0700 Kiat Huang wrote: > Hi, Is there a way through the web interface or other means (say > as the mailman admin, or a user not root (linux)) that can list > all the lists a given user is subscribed to? There's a button to that effect on every list member's page. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 20:45:58 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:45:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a subscriber's lists References: <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> <20011002140950.C1814@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <016801c14b72$79ab9f10$0b04010a@JCARNES> You might also try using the Mailman command "find_member" in ~mailman/bin. This command finds all lists that a specified user is on. To let ordinary users run it, look into implementing sudo. Sudo is a package that lets users run programs as a specified other user. In this case your users would be running the command as the user mailman. Of course you could just let the users su as mailman or leave a process open that runs as the user mailman and provides the info folks ask for... HtH, Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Ward" To: "Kiat Huang" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] getting a subscriber's lists > On 02 October 2001, Kiat Huang said: > > Is there a way through the web interface or other means (say as the > > mailman admin, or a user not root (linux)) that can list all the lists a > > given user is subscribed to? > > This works for me as root (using bash): > cd ~mailman > for list in lists/* ; do > ./bin/list_members $list | grep -s $address && echo $list > done > > Any user in group "mailman" should be able to run this as well. It's > inefficient, but as long as you don't have 100 lists with 10000 > subscribers each, it shouldn't be too painful. > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com Tue Oct 2 20:56:58 2001 From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:56:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix vs Sendmail Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> I've seen comments on this list that Postfix mail server is preferable to Sendmail due to its improved speed and security. So, I'm thinking of changing my Red Hat server over to Postfix. Question: If I remove Sendmail and install Postfix, is the only thing necessary for Mailman to re-run configure & install to make sure it has the right gid's? Thanks! Larry From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 21:06:34 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:06:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <018101c14b75$5a774fb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> I hate to say this, as I totally despise spam but... to get a truly accurate count of folks who really open or at least preview the message, send the message as html and include a link to a tiny gif on one of your web servers. Place the gif somewhere unobtrusive in the message, like at the very end. The text of the message will always show up and as folks read the message, their machines will automatically download the gif. Actually, just previewing it will cause the gif to be downloaded. Now setup your web server to count the number times its accessed, and store the ip addresses of the folks accessing it. Assuming you have a decent web server, folks will never notice, and you'll have a much more accurate account of folks who read your message. You'll have the time they opened the message and even have a log of their IP addresses (or more probably the IP address of their ISP or firewall). Anyway, marketing guys go bonkers over this kind of stuff. Enjoy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Kutter" To: "Amanda" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting > Ok. Interesting. I think I will look into procmail to filter out garbage since I want unsibscribe requests and the like to go to a tech support mail account. > > That brings me to another question - what's an accurate method of counting the number of bounces? I was grepping the bounce log and counting the number of bounces for my newsletter. That will only work however if I wipe the bounce log every few days - and even then I won't get a very accurate count... Also - as far as stats go, in the smtp log, is that a fair count for how many messages really got sent? I don't care so much about how many people actually read the messages, but my sales team wants a fairly accurate count of how many people are really getting the newsletter... > > Thanks > -jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amanda" > To: "Jim Kutter" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting > > > > This sounds familiar! Only we get ~1800 per edition of newsletter... doctors really love their "Your message has been received" and "I'm out of the office today" vacation settings. :-) > > > > Quick and dirty answer - you could set your Reply-To to some other location. That will of course direct not only the vacation messaging, receipt-acknowledgements, and other bargle to that reply-to, but also all the unsubscribes, tech-question mail, and whatnot. You *can * route it to the bitbucket if you like (e.g. an alias that points to /dev/null) or you can route it to a box you can > > sift through (manually or otherwise) at your convenience. > > > > Bounce and rejection notices should still come back to the apparent sender of the message (in your case, listowner), which can be handy if you want to count bounces (which we do). > > > > =) > > Amanda > > > > > > Jim Kutter wrote: > > > > > Hello again folks. You've all been tremendous help for me recently, but I have a another question. > > > > > > I am using mailman to manage a newsletter list (with some other lists - but that's the primary use), and obviously I don't want to allow public postings to a newsletter. So I set the e-mail address of the person who composes the newsletter as the only one allowed to post to the list. So, in order to protect my users from their users :) I set the list to hide the sender of the message. > > > > > > So here's the problem - the newsletters go out saying they're from newsletter-owner, and the admin of the list (me) gets all the "Out of office", "remove me pls!", "undeliverable" et al. This amounts to ~400 e-mails whenever the letter goes out... > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks > > > -jim > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From arandall at auntminnie.com Tue Oct 2 21:08:51 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:08:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> Jim Kutter wrote: > That brings me to another question - what's an accurate method of counting the number of bounces? I was grepping the bounce log and counting the number of bounces for my newsletter. That will only work however if I wipe the bounce log every few days - and even then I won't get a very accurate count... Also - as far as stats go, in the smtp log, is that a fair count for how many messages really got sent? Hmm. This (the bounce-counting) is one of the reasons I ended up ripping Mailman into many component pieces and then ended up custom-writing something completely different for the newsletters themselves. If you find a clean and accurate way to do that using Mailman, let me know. :-) From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 2 21:21:02 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:21:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix vs Sendmail References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <01a501c14b77$5fe79b10$0b04010a@JCARNES> Larry, you should be able to drop and insert Postfix right into your server, then stop sendmail and startup Postfix. You'll have to do bit of tweaking, but if you read the Postfix notes you should be alright. BTW: I'm a sendmail user, but I've been on the fence for about 3 years following Postfix. Sendmail gets a bad rap because it came to the optimization plate late, but you'll find that its catching up. If you run IDE drives on your mailservers then don't bother with the change, you won't see any real improvement. If you're scsi, then you'll gain some significant speed on mass mailings. Just my opinion. Take care - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Hansford" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix vs Sendmail > > I've seen comments on this list that Postfix mail server is preferable to > Sendmail due to its improved speed and security. So, I'm thinking of > changing my Red Hat server over to Postfix. > > Question: If I remove Sendmail and install Postfix, is the only thing > necessary for Mailman to re-run configure & install to make sure it has the > right gid's? > > Thanks! > > Larry > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From eric-mailman at pretorious.net Tue Oct 2 22:07:20 2001 From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky (fwd) Message-ID: The reason that I'm so keenly interested in Mailman is its Web-interface. The promise of a customizable Web-interface is what differentitates Mailman from all of the other MLM's. When I discovered last month that the Web-interface wasn't quite so robust (the subscribe script and the the handle_opts script both munge the HTML output.) I was crushed. But then patch-level 1 came out and the world seemed to be a better place (at least from the terminal that I stay chained-to 10 hours a day...) The patch worked - or at least I thought it did. For the first few passes, the HTML looked fine and then - BAM! - it started acting-up again. Now subscribe and handle_opts have gone back to putting " in front of any custom HTML. I've completely removed the mailman (`/bin/rm -r /opt/mailman-2.0.6-1/*` and `/bin/rm /opt/src/mailman-2.0.6-1/*`), re-unpacked the .orig.tar.gz and re-applyied the patch, re-configured, and re-installed but the problem persists. What is happening? Eric P. From alaric at babcom.com Tue Oct 2 22:12:19 2001 From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:12:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from eric-mailman@pretorious.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:07:20PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20011002131219.A9496@babylon5.babcom.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:07:20PM -0700, eric-mailman at pretorious.net wrote: > What is happening? s/Van Gogh/Edvard Munch/ :) -- Linux Now! .........Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft. phil stracchino :: alaric at babcom.com :: halmayne at sourceforge.net unix ronin :::: renaissance man :::: mystic zen biker geek 2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold) From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 22:12:27 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting In-Reply-To: Message from Amanda of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:08:51 PDT." <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> Message-ID: <29971.1002053547@2wire.com> On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:08:51 -0700 arandall wrote: > Jim Kutter wrote: >> That brings me to another question - what's an accurate method of >> counting the number of bounces? I was grepping the bounce log and >> counting the number of bounces for my newsletter. That will only >> work however if I wipe the bounce log every few days - and even >> then I won't get a very accurate count... Also - as far as stats >> go, in the smtp log, is that a fair count for how many messages >> really got sent? > Hmm. This (the bounce-counting) is one of the reasons I ended up > ripping Mailman into many component pieces and then ended up > custom-writing something completely different for the newsletters > themselves. If you find a clean and accurate way to do that using > Mailman, let me know. :-) Without using VERP its actually impossible. -- Mailman attempts to determine subscriber address by parsing the bounce. This is cheaper than VERP, but is also error prone. -- There is not a 1:1 mapping between bounce messages and sent messages. A single send message may generate multiple bounce messages from intermediate MTA's if they are unable to deliver it quickly. Further, given a history of sending mail, you may receive multiple bounce messages all from previous mailings (prior to your last) with no way to reliably distinguish them from bounces in response to your current mailing. Bounce counting under Mailman does give numbers, but they are unreliable and shouldn't be used for anything other than SWAGs. To get "real" bounce counts you'd not only have to use VERP across your subscriber base, but also VERP across your mailings so that every message you send not only has a unique return address for each subscriber, but also has a unique and trackable return address for each message sent to each subscriber. This is doable, but is not entirely trivial. Its quite outside of Mailman's base area of interest. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 22:17:07 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:17:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting In-Reply-To: Message from "Jon Carnes" of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:06:34 EDT." <018101c14b75$5a774fb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> <018101c14b75$5a774fb0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <30030.1002053827@2wire.com> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:06:34 -0400 Jon Carnes wrote: > I hate to say this, as I totally despise spam but... to get a > truly accurate count of folks who really open or at least preview > the message, send the message as html and include a link to a tiny > gif on one of your web servers. Place the gif somewhere > unobtrusive in the message, like at the very end. This is called a "web bug" and is a standard technique of both SPAMmers and advertising companies ala DoubleClick, and is one of the primary reasons I refuse to let HTML on any of my lists (as I promise my members privacy). > The text of the message will always show up and as folks read the > message, their machines will automatically download the gif. > Actually, just previewing it will cause the gif to be downloaded. Its also particularly easily defeated. Just configure your MUA to use a non-existent proxy for all HTML fetches. In my case I point it to localhost on a port which has nothing listening on it. The result is that the GET request is made to a non-existent proxy, which never replies, and so the image is not retrieved. Easy, low impact, workable. This way I get to read the mail but don't have to worry about the unannounced and unwelcome privacy invasions of web bugs. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 22:19:40 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix vs Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message from Larry Hansford of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:56:58 EDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <30080.1002053980@2wire.com> On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:56:58 -0400 Larry Hansford wrote: > Question: If I remove Sendmail and install Postfix, is the only > thing necessary for Mailman to re-run configure & install to make > sure it has the right gid's? If you configure Postfix fully they'll be no need to touch anything in Mailman's world. Additionally, depending on how clever you want to get with your Postfix configuration you may remove the need to have any Mailman aliases at all (Postfix will auto-generate them internally from the filesystem). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From eric-mailman at pretorious.net Tue Oct 2 22:24:10 2001 From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20011002131219.A9496@babylon5.babcom.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Phil Stracchino wrote: > On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:07:20PM -0700, eric-mailman at pretorious.net wrote: > > What is happening? > > s/Van Gogh/Edvard Munch/ Really? Drats!!! (LOL) -- Eric P. Los Gatos, CA From darren at nighttide.net Mon Oct 1 20:58:09 2001 From: darren at nighttide.net (Darren Henderson) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to a list via web In-Reply-To: <01100113210900.01396@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: Anyone know of an add-on/extension/contribution that will allow folks to post to a mailing list via the web interface, preferably inside pipermail's display (ie reply to this message, post new message kind of thing coming from the person logged in and not via a single gateway address). Have a user who wants to bend mailman a bit so that it provides some of the functionality of e-groups, smartgroups etc. Suprisingly, there don't seem to be a lot of projects out there that allow this kind of thing, at least that I've found. Apparently due in part to the goal of using bbs/community discussion software to keep users coming back to a site. There are obviously things like usenet/mailing list gateways but being thats a bit much plus would want to take advantage of the user id's/passwords that Mailman is already maintaining. I'm not very up on python but I would assume that this wouldn't be an overly daunting extension. Could use a different mail archive package like hypermail which has the ability but then you wouldn't, as far as I can see, be able to have the same thing for a private archive. No way to take advantage of the user id and password etc. Thoughts or alternatives appreciated. ______________________________________________________________________ Darren Henderson darren at nighttide.net Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ From Berean at C-Squad.org Tue Oct 2 05:40:23 2001 From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of mail commands? Message-ID: This was probably asked before, so forgive the redundancy.... Can Mailman be controlled via email commands in addition to its web interface? I assume the address to send commands to is the list name with "-request" tacked on. If that's true, can anyone provide a list of all possible email commands that can be sent to Mailman? Please email me at Berean at C-Squad.org as Im not a current subscriber. I appreciate any help! Thanks in advance, Frank Pagano (The Berean) Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 ICQ#: 98723297 AOL Screen Name: Berean333 Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek ****************************************** "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01 From dmick at west.sun.com Tue Oct 2 08:45:56 2001 From: dmick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:45:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't deliver? References: Message-ID: <3BB962A4.9D9D4B@west.sun.com> Nigel Kersten wrote: > (in the smtp file) > > All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') > > (in the smtp-failure file) > > (1620) -1 nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (ignore) > > I did have this all working, and buggered if I know what has gone wrong... Have you checked the obvious other place, the SMTP agent's logs? (like probably /var/log/syslog?) From eric at pretorious.net Tue Oct 2 21:34:23 2001 From: eric at pretorious.net (Eric Pretorious) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky Message-ID: The reason that I'm so keenly interested in Mailman is its Web-interface. The promise of a customizable Web-interface is what differentitates Mailman from all of the other MLM's. When I discovered last month that the Web-interface wasn't quite so robust (the subscribe script and the the handle_opts script both munge the HTML output.) I was crushed. But then patch-level 1 came out and the world seemed to be a better place (at least from the terminal that I stay chained-to 10 hours a day...) The patch worked - or at least I thought it did. For the first few passes, the HTML looked fine and then - BAM! - it started acting-up again. Now subscribe and handle_opts have gone back to putting " in front of any custom HTML. I've completely removed the mailman (`/bin/rm -r /opt/mailman-2.0.6-1/*` and `/bin/rm /opt/src/mailman-2.0.6-1/*`), re-unpacked the .orig.tar.gz and re-applyied the patch, re-configured, and re-installed but the problem persists. What is happening? Eric P. From rob at film.calarts.edu Tue Oct 2 22:07:18 2001 From: rob at film.calarts.edu (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:07:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailmans with 1 exim Message-ID: <20011002130718.A31801@emsh.calarts.edu> I'm running 2 instances of mailman-2.0.6 with 1 exim-3.33. I need to have 2 different MAILMAN_HOME's in exim's configure file to cover the different installation locations of mailman. I see in mailman's README.EXIM an example of how to do this with virtual domains, using $domain in the path; does anyone have an example of the exim comfiguration with absolute paths? thank you. -- Rob Lingelbach rob at film.calarts.edu System Administrator http://www.alegria.com Computer Animation Lab rob at alegria.com California Institute of the Arts http://tig.alegria.com From bwilson at spherexx.com Tue Oct 2 22:54:38 2001 From: bwilson at spherexx.com (becca) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:54:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list question Message-ID: Can we add email addresses to the database without having to confirm their address? Is there a way to export the addresses? Becca Wilson Spherexx.com, Technology Consultants 918.491.7500 USA 603.288.5573 Fax bwilson at spherexx.com Innovation & Expertise From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 23:11:58 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:11:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of mail commands? In-Reply-To: Message from "The Berean" of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 23:40:23 EDT." References: Message-ID: <30556.1002057118@2wire.com> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:40:23 -0400 The Berean wrote: > Can Mailman be controlled via email commands in addition to its > web interface? Yes, tho that interface does not support the full range of options that the web interface does. For instance it doesn't support any of the list configuration or moderation commands. > I assume the address to send commands to is the list name with > "-request" tacked on. Correct. > If that's true, can anyone provide a list of all possible email > commands that can be sent to Mailman? You can send a help message to Mailman -request address to have it reply to you with compleat instructions. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From webmaster at lab2000.com Tue Oct 2 23:08:18 2001 From: webmaster at lab2000.com (Webmaster-Lab2000) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:08:18 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter Attachments Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011002230624.00b793e0@mail.galactica.it> Hello guys, Do you know a way to filter any kind of attachments in Mailman v.2.2? I would like that members of the list could receive only text email . Regards, Guido Boeri Guido Boeri webmaster http://www.lab2000.com From arandall at auntminnie.com Tue Oct 2 23:14:03 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:14:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> <29971.1002053547@2wire.com> Message-ID: <3BBA2E1B.D24490FB@auntminnie.com> Was ist VERP? Like I said, I've moved away from Mailman for my announce-only newsletter type lists, so it won't really help Mailman users to hear this, but just in case anyone's interested.... With regards to bounce numbers, we've developed a "pitchfork" approach (it has several prongs with which to attack the problem). One, the mail-send script keeps two logs: one that notes the address of each message that was accepted for delivery by the local MTA, and one that notes the address of each message that was not accepted, for any reason (and in the case where there's an error code to log, it logs that too). So we know which ones were rejected right out of the gate. Two, if a message comes back to the originating *sender* address as an RFC822 type bounce message (gods, but those are rare these days) or as a message with some other regular expression that can reasonably be identified as a notification that mail was not delivered for whatever reason, the email address that appears in that message (top, bottom, wherever) is saved to another file for digestion at a point in the future. (Messages that don't fit these criteria and are not obviously administrative requests get dumped elsewhere for a human to eyeball.) Three, the file that contains those bounce addresses is masticated. If an address appears more than once, the extras are discarded; then those users are added to the master bounce file (if an entry does not exist for that email address) or their count is incremented by 1 (if an entry does exist). We can pretty much get away with discarding extras because the mailings go out a minimum of forty-eight hours apart - the same time frame set in our local qmail for returning a fatal delivery message. This approach wouldn't be quite as clean on a list that has more traffic. Anyway, that gives us the number of addresses to which mail was apparently bounced. It also gives us the ability to export a list every X days of email addresses which have bounced Y times (currently, about every five weeks for users bounced 8 or more times), so that we can then set a flag in the (full-fledged multi-purpose) user database that basically makes that user's subscription inactive. Is it 100% accurate? No; in fact I'm going bugnuts right now trying to find the hoser who decided that a message from "nobody@" whatever-dot-org with a blank subject that says "Sorry your message couldn't be delivered. You probably have the wrong address." (Literally.) without a forward of the original mail, an indication of who the intended recipient was, nothing useful in the headers... Without unsubscribing every single person at whatever-dot-org, I will probably never find out which address is bad. Gerf - I hate a surprising number of sysadmins out there... but anyway, I'd estimate we're reporting stats that are in the 85-90% accurate range. That's good enough to track trends and make the marketing weenies happy. One note about the suggestion of using a marketing-tracking approach of putting an image in your mail that lives on the website ... this will definitely skew your stats because of the significant number of people who don't have HTML-enabled mail clients. We actually run two lists for the newsletter - a text-based and an html-based - to accomodate, for example: older AOL clients, AOL users who have set preferences to block mail with embedded images, a significant number of people using Novell GroupWise (as the admin doesn't have to allow the components that provide a means of reading HTML-based mail, and frequently doesn't even know it can be done), older versions of Eudora, Claris, and other lightweight clients which are very common with hospitals and schools, and apparently some people who installed some funky "security patch" (ha) to Outlook (OE? I forget which). Nothing is as easy as it used to be... =) Amanda J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:08:51 -0700 > arandall wrote: > > Jim Kutter wrote: > > >> That brings me to another question - what's an accurate method of > >> counting the number of bounces? I was grepping the bounce log and > >> counting the number of bounces for my newsletter. That will only > >> work however if I wipe the bounce log every few days - and even > >> then I won't get a very accurate count... Also - as far as stats > >> go, in the smtp log, is that a fair count for how many messages > >> really got sent? > > > Hmm. This (the bounce-counting) is one of the reasons I ended up > > ripping Mailman into many component pieces and then ended up > > custom-writing something completely different for the newsletters > > themselves. If you find a clean and accurate way to do that using > > Mailman, let me know. :-) > > Without using VERP its actually impossible. > > -- Mailman attempts to determine subscriber address by parsing the > bounce. This is cheaper than VERP, but is also error prone. > > -- There is not a 1:1 mapping between bounce messages and sent > messages. A single send message may generate multiple bounce > messages from intermediate MTA's if they are unable to deliver it > quickly. Further, given a history of sending mail, you may > receive multiple bounce messages all from previous mailings (prior > to your last) with no way to reliably distinguish them from > bounces in response to your current mailing. > > Bounce counting under Mailman does give numbers, but they are > unreliable and shouldn't be used for anything other than SWAGs. To > get "real" bounce counts you'd not only have to use VERP across your > subscriber base, but also VERP across your mailings so that every > message you send not only has a unique return address for each > subscriber, but also has a unique and trackable return address for > each message sent to each subscriber. > > This is doable, but is not entirely trivial. Its quite outside of > Mailman's base area of interest. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 23:15:13 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:15:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to a list via web In-Reply-To: Message from Darren Henderson of "Mon, 01 Oct 2001 14:58:09 EDT." References: Message-ID: <30603.1002057313@2wire.com> On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Darren Henderson wrote: > Anyone know of an add-on/extension/contribution that will allow > folks to post to a mailing list via the web interface, preferably > inside pipermail's display (ie reply to this message, post new > message kind of thing coming from the person logged in and not via > a single gateway address). This is currently no possible within Pipermail. It is fairly easy to do via an external archiver ala MHonArc. In fact, I've done precisely this at Kanga.nu: http://www.kanga.nu/archives/ See the list archives here in -users and in -developers for URLs to my RCs and general instructions for how to set it up. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 23:16:12 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list question In-Reply-To: Message from "becca" of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:54:38 CDT." References: Message-ID: <30630.1002057372@2wire.com> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:54:38 -0500 bwilson wrote: > Can we add email addresses to the database without having to > confirm their address? ~/bin/add_members > Is there a way to export the addresses? ~/bin/remove_members -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Tue Oct 2 23:22:56 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list question Message-ID: <200110022122.OAA00645@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > > Is there a way to export the addresses? > > ~/bin/remove_members Actually, ~/bin/list_members but really folks, take a look at the bin/ directory, there's useful stuff there. From david at midrange.com Tue Oct 2 23:35:14 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:35:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter Attachments In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011002230624.00b793e0@mail.galactica.it> from "Webmaster-Lab2000" at Oct 02, 2001 11:08:18 PM Message-ID: <200110022135.f92LZEE20880@linux.midrange.com> > Do you know a way to filter any kind of attachments in Mailman v.2.2? I > would like that members of the list could receive only > text email . Check out Jeff Dairiki's great HTML filter patch ... http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103 david From david at midrange.com Tue Oct 2 23:36:53 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:36:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list question In-Reply-To: from "becca" at Oct 02, 2001 03:54:38 PM Message-ID: <200110022136.f92LasS21270@linux.midrange.com> > Can we add email addresses to the database without having to confirm > their address? add_members command in the bin directory > Is there a way to export the addresses? Export? What format? For a simple plaintext dump of the membership try using the list_members command, also in the mailman bin directory. david From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 23:26:30 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:26:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting In-Reply-To: Message from Amanda of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:14:03 PDT." <3BBA2E1B.D24490FB@auntminnie.com> References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> <29971.1002053547@2wire.com> <3BBA2E1B.D24490FB@auntminnie.com> Message-ID: <30765.1002057990@2wire.com> On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:14:03 -0700 arandall wrote: > Was ist VERP? VERP == Variable Envelope Return Paths Original definition and implementation can be found here: http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt > That's good enough to track trends and make the marketing weenies > happy. Certainly good enough for the SWAGs I mentioned. > ... and apparently some people who installed some funky "security > patch" (ha) to Outlook (OE? I forget which). Come now. Outlook is itself a very helpful and useful security patch. Outlook successfully identifies and conveniently labels the most glaring and easily exploited security hole on the entire system: itself. Quite useful data I'd say -- one of Microsoft's more successful and straight forward security features. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jkeenan at blkcat.com Tue Oct 2 23:27:21 2001 From: jkeenan at blkcat.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list question In-Reply-To: <30630.1002057372@2wire.com> Message-ID: <434E1CAE-B77C-11D5-9DCB-003065F5E824@blkcat.com> On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 05:16 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:54:38 -0500 > bwilson wrote: > >> Can we add email addresses to the database without having to >> confirm their address? > > ~/bin/add_members > >> Is there a way to export the addresses? > > ~/bin/remove_members > I think she really wants ~/bin/list_members. Export, not expunge. joe From claw at 2wire.com Tue Oct 2 23:35:33 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:35:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter Attachments In-Reply-To: Message from Webmaster-Lab2000 of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:08:18 +0200." <4.3.2.7.2.20011002230624.00b793e0@mail.galactica.it> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011002230624.00b793e0@mail.galactica.it> Message-ID: <30885.1002058533@2wire.com> On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:08:18 +0200 Webmaster-Lab wrote: > Do you know a way to filter any kind of attachments in Mailman > v.2.2? FAQ: Please see the list archives for demime, mimefilter and stripmime. Note: Mailman v2,2 is not out yet. 2.1 is currently under development. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at 2wire.com Wed Oct 3 00:14:31 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:14:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] email list question In-Reply-To: Message from Joe Keenan of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 17:27:21 EDT." <434E1CAE-B77C-11D5-9DCB-003065F5E824@blkcat.com> References: <434E1CAE-B77C-11D5-9DCB-003065F5E824@blkcat.com> Message-ID: <31405.1002060871@2wire.com> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:27:21 -0400 Joe Keenan wrote: > On Tuesday, October 2, 2001, at 05:16 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:54:38 -0500 bwilson wrote: >>> Is there a way to export the addresses? >> ~/bin/remove_members >> > I think she really wants ~/bin/list_members. Export, not expunge. Seditious little rotters aren't you! (Sorry about that chaps, my error) -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Wed Oct 3 00:30:25 2001 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: <13840.1002036486@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 01:33:07 -0700 (PDT) > eric-mailman wrote: > > >> Your VHosts don't agree. > > > Recursively grep'ing $prefix, the only reference to vhost appears > > in $prefix/bin/list_lists. (And that doesn't tell me nothin'!) > > Please elaborate. > > Hostname this list prefers on the first admin page for each list > must match the VHost you want that list's web interface to appear > under. > That's an annoyance IMO. For example at our site the posting address for all lists is supposed to be @ocf.berkeley.edu However, the web server address for the same site is www.ocf.berkeley.edu. If I change prefered host to www.ocf.berkeley.edu then mailman suggests on the listinfo web page for that list that "To post a message to all the list members, send email to mmtest at www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU". I certaintly, don't want anyone to use the www name in the mailing lists. Moreover, I changed the prefered host address fro www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU for one of the lists and it still does not show up on the /mailman/listinfo web page. -akop From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Oct 3 02:08:18 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:08:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PDF Attachments In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002143047.028d0e40@64.65.196.198> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002143047.028d0e40@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <20011002200818.A2607@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Larry Hansford said: > Thanks, Greg! The problem seems to be solved, but I'm not sure why. I > checked my Eudora setup, and all seemed well. I went into the "TEST" group > admin page, and changed the setting for message size from the default of > 40K to 120K -- the actual PDF attachment I was testing with is 39K -- and > re-started Sendmail to ensure all was clean with it's load, aliases.db > file, etc. I then re-sent the message, and all came through properly. Glad to hear it. Is PDF a binary format? If so, a 39k file will probably be base64-encoded to 1.5*39k, blowing the 40k message limit. Even if not, the overhead of MIME crud and headers might push it past 40k. Whatever. Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Oct 3 02:11:53 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:11:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011002201153.B2607@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Eric Pretorious said: > What is happening? I think you'll find that painting was by Edvard Munch. Unfortunately, I don't know how to get you to feeling like "Starry Starry Night" over Mailman, which is probably much more agreeable. ;-) Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Oct 3 02:14:06 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:14:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailmans with 1 exim In-Reply-To: <20011002130718.A31801@emsh.calarts.edu> References: <20011002130718.A31801@emsh.calarts.edu> Message-ID: <20011002201406.C2607@mems-exchange.org> On 02 October 2001, Rob Lingelbach said: > I'm running 2 instances of mailman-2.0.6 with 1 exim-3.33. > I need to have 2 different MAILMAN_HOME's in exim's configure > file to cover the different installation locations of mailman. > I see in mailman's README.EXIM an example of how to do this > with virtual domains, using $domain in the path; does anyone > have an example of the exim comfiguration with absolute paths? > thank you. Well, you could define MAILMAN1_HOME and MAILMAN2_HOME, and then have two sets of Mailman directors (identical except for MAILMAN?_HOME). I think you could get away with only one set of transports, as long as the UID and GID are the same. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Wed Oct 3 02:35:01 2001 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:35:01 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't deliver? In-Reply-To: <3BB962A4.9D9D4B@west.sun.com> References: <3BB962A4.9D9D4B@west.sun.com> Message-ID: Yes, I'm checking the smtp agent logs. Maybe this clarifies things somewhat: If I send to a list address, it appears in the archives, but doesn't get sent. If I send to an individual acct on the Mailman box, everything is ok. If I send from the Mailman box to an external account, everything is ok. >From the logs, although Mailmans 'smtp' logfile says that it is a "Connection Refused", this isn't actually showing up at all in the relevant log files. basically I am only having a problem with mail that gets sent to the Mailman wrapper. I do realise that this is probably not a Mailman problem, I was just seeing if this triggered any memories from anyone who has had a similar problem. And yes, I can telnet 25 to the relevant smtp servers, both local and my domain one. nigel >Nigel Kersten wrote: > >> (in the smtp file) >> >> All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') >> >> (in the smtp-failure file) >> >> (1620) -1 nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (ignore) >> >> I did have this all working, and buggered if I know what has gone wrong... > >Have you checked the obvious other place, the SMTP agent's logs? (like >probably >/var/log/syslog?) > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- N i g e l K e r s t e n Systems Administrator ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 College of Fine Arts, Uni of NSW,Sydney,Australia From mgallo at fix.net Wed Oct 3 02:31:36 2001 From: mgallo at fix.net (M. Gallo) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:31:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors with admindb and hold-postings Message-ID: <20011002173136.E26568@othello.fix.net> I'm using Mailman version 2.0.6 on Red Hat 7.1. It was working fine before I went on vacation, but now I'm getting many errors. No one has changed anything, or so I'm told, so I don't know where to start looking. Because there's a cron job to retry failed deliveries once per minute, I continually get the following error log entry every time there's something waiting for the admin's approval but I never get email notifying me that the posting is waiting for my approval. > Oct 02 12:31:00 2001 (30915) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected > Oct 02 12:31:00 2001 (30915) Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline > func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 140, in process > hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval > mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage > self.__opendb() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb > self.__db = marshal.load(fp) > EOFError: EOF read where object expected When trying to load the admindb page for my lists, I get: > Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. > Printing of traceback and other system information has been > explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this > information in the Mailman error logs. The traceback from the error log looks like: > Oct 02 16:49:00 2001 admin(5478): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > admin(5478): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----] > admin(5478): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(5478): Traceback (innermost last): > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > admin(5478): main() > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 113, in main > admin(5478): PrintRequests(mlist, doc) > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 129, in PrintRequests > admin(5478): if not mlist.NumRequestsPending(): > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending > admin(5478): self.__opendb() > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb > admin(5478): self.__db = marshal.load(fp) > admin(5478): EOFError: EOF read where object expected > admin(5478): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(5478): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, 01:35:43) [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 > admin(5478): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python > admin(5478): sys.prefix = /usr > admin(5478): sys.exec_prefix= /usr > admin(5478): sys.path = /usr > admin(5478): sys.platform = linux-i386 > admin(5478): [----- Environment Variables -----] > admin(5478): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs > admin(5478): SERVER_ADDR: 206.190.71.8 > admin(5478): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate,compress,identity > admin(5478): SERVER_PORT: 80 > admin(5478): PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/stage > admin(5478): REMOTE_ADDR: 207.114.168.48 > admin(5478): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en > admin(5478): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > admin(5478): SERVER_NAME: www.fix.net > admin(5478): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive > admin(5478): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 > admin(5478): HTTP_ACCEPT: */* > admin(5478): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/stage > admin(5478): QUERY_STRING: > admin(5478): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb > admin(5478): HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 > admin(5478): HTTP_HOST: www.fix.net > admin(5478): REQUEST_METHOD: GET > admin(5478): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.fix.net Port 80
> > admin(5478): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb > admin(5478): SERVER_ADMIN: root at fix.net > admin(5478): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6 > admin(5478): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman > admin(5478): PATH_INFO: /stage > admin(5478): HTTP_COOKIE: stage:admin=280200000069da15ba3b732800000031323333383163626139353434373535623730623339323634636361393536633866343230396465; shipping_address=name%3A%3Aasd%26company%3A%3Aasd%26address%3A%3Aasd%26city%3A%3Aasd%26state%3A%3AAlabama%26zip%3A%3Aasd%26country%3A%3AUSA%26phone%3A%3Aasd%26email%3A%3Aasd%26name2%3A%3Aasd%26company2%3A%3Aasd%26address2%3A%3Aasd%26city2%3A%3Aasd%26state2%3A%3AAlabama%26zip2%3A%3Aasd%26country2%3A%3AUSA%26phone2%3A%3Aasd%26email2%3A%3Aasd > admin(5478): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 > admin(5478): REMOTE_PORT: 34257 From eric-mailman at pretorious.net Wed Oct 3 02:53:52 2001 From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML interface still quirky In-Reply-To: <20011002201153.B2607@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, Greg Ward wrote: > On 02 October 2001, Eric Pretorious said: > > What is happening? > > I think you'll find that painting was by Edvard Munch. > > Unfortunately, I don't know how to get you to feeling like "Starry > Starry Night" over Mailman, which is probably much more agreeable. ;-) Greg: Thanks for the thoughts, though! Eric P. Los Gatos, CA From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com Wed Oct 3 02:59:18 2001 From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:59:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix vs Sendmail In-Reply-To: <01a501c14b77$5fe79b10$0b04010a@JCARNES> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002204759.02059b58@64.65.196.198> At 03:21 PM 10/2/2001, you wrote: >Larry, you should be able to drop and insert Postfix right into your server, >then stop sendmail and startup Postfix. >You'll have to do bit of tweaking, but if you read the Postfix notes you >should be alright. Thanks! I thought that since the GID would change from the one used for Sendmail with the ./configure was run, to the new one assigned to Postfix when it is installed, that I would have to rerun the ./configure and then rerun the install program. But, I guess I could just change the GID of Postfix to that of the old Sendmail one if need be. What tweaking, other than the GID's, should I have to do? >BTW: I'm a sendmail user, but I've been on the fence for about 3 years >following Postfix. Sendmail gets a bad rap because it came to the >optimization plate late, but you'll find that its catching up. If you run >IDE drives on your mailservers then don't bother with the change, you won't >see any real improvement. If you're scsi, then you'll gain some significant >speed on mass mailings. I run nothing but SCSI drives on servers -- they last longer, run cooler, and are faster than most IDE drives. Larry >Just my opinion. Take care - Jon Carnes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry Hansford" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:56 PM >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix vs Sendmail > > > > > > I've seen comments on this list that Postfix mail server is preferable to > > Sendmail due to its improved speed and security. So, I'm thinking of > > changing my Red Hat server over to Postfix. > > > > Question: If I remove Sendmail and install Postfix, is the only thing > > necessary for Mailman to re-run configure & install to make sure it has >the > > right gid's? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Larry From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com Wed Oct 3 03:03:50 2001 From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:03:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix vs Sendmail In-Reply-To: <30080.1002053980@2wire.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002210149.02059de8@64.65.196.198> At 04:19 PM 10/2/2001, J C Lawrence wrote: >On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:56:58 -0400 >Larry Hansford wrote: > > > Question: If I remove Sendmail and install Postfix, is the only > > thing necessary for Mailman to re-run configure & install to make > > sure it has the right gid's? > >If you configure Postfix fully they'll be no need to touch anything >in Mailman's world. Additionally, depending on how clever you want >to get with your Postfix configuration you may remove the need to >have any Mailman aliases at all (Postfix will auto-generate them >internally from the filesystem). I love that idea! Where do I find information on configuring Postfix so it will auto-generate the aliases? Larry >-- >J C Lawrence >---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. >claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? >http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au Wed Oct 3 03:09:14 2001 From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:09:14 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't deliver? In-Reply-To: References: <3BB962A4.9D9D4B@west.sun.com> Message-ID: Only sending in case anyone else has the same symptoms for the same reason. My entropy (egd.pl) daemon had died (I'm still trying to work out why...). Once I restarted it, all was ok. Thanks for the constructive responses. nigel >Yes, I'm checking the smtp agent logs. > > >Maybe this clarifies things somewhat: > > >If I send to a list address, it appears in the archives, but doesn't get sent. > >If I send to an individual acct on the Mailman box, everything is ok. > >If I send from the Mailman box to an external account, everything is ok. > > > >>From the logs, although Mailmans 'smtp' logfile says that it is a "Connection Refused", this isn't actually showing up at all in the relevant log files. > > >basically I am only having a problem with mail that gets sent to the Mailman wrapper. I do realise that this is probably not a Mailman problem, I was just seeing if this triggered any memories from anyone who has had a similar problem. > > >And yes, I can telnet 25 to the relevant smtp servers, both local and my domain one. > > > > > > >nigel > > > > > > >>Nigel Kersten wrote: >> >>> (in the smtp file) >>> >>> All recipients refused: (61, 'Connection refused') >>> >>> (in the smtp-failure file) >>> >>> (1620) -1 nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (ignore) >>> >>> I did have this all working, and buggered if I know what has gone wrong... >> >>Have you checked the obvious other place, the SMTP agent's logs? (like >>probably >>/var/log/syslog?) >> >>------------------------------------------------------ >>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > >-- > N i g e l K e r s t e n > Systems Administrator >ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 > College of Fine Arts, >Uni of NSW,Sydney,Australia > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- N i g e l K e r s t e n Systems Administrator ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624 College of Fine Arts, Uni of NSW,Sydney,Australia From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com Wed Oct 3 03:08:15 2001 From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:08:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: PDF Attachments In-Reply-To: <20011002200818.A2607@mems-exchange.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002143047.028d0e40@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002130656.028b7590@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002143047.028d0e40@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002210522.01f17098@64.65.196.198> At 08:08 PM 10/2/2001, Greg Ward wrote: >On 02 October 2001, Larry Hansford said: > > Thanks, Greg! The problem seems to be solved, but I'm not sure why. I > > checked my Eudora setup, and all seemed well. I went into the "TEST" > group > > admin page, and changed the setting for message size from the default of > > 40K to 120K -- the actual PDF attachment I was testing with is 39K -- and > > re-started Sendmail to ensure all was clean with it's load, aliases.db > > file, etc. I then re-sent the message, and all came through properly. > >Glad to hear it. > >Is PDF a binary format? If so, a 39k file will probably be >base64-encoded to 1.5*39k, blowing the 40k message limit. Even if not, >the overhead of MIME crud and headers might push it past 40k. Whatever. > > Greg Yes, it is a binary file. If the first message I had attempted had been larger -- say 45K -- it would have blocked the message and I would have had to fix the setting the first time. Murphy's Law, you know. Larry From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com Wed Oct 3 03:11:37 2001 From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: errors with admindb and hold-postings In-Reply-To: <20011002173136.E26568@othello.fix.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002210924.0206acf8@64.65.196.198> I wonder if someone changed rights to one of the directories so that the files can't be read or executed. Did somebody do a recursive rights change on the /home directory? Larry At 08:31 PM 10/2/2001, you wrote: >I'm using Mailman version 2.0.6 on Red Hat 7.1. It was working >fine before I went on vacation, but now I'm getting many errors. >No one has changed anything, or so I'm told, so I don't know >where to start looking. > > >Because there's a cron job to retry failed deliveries once per >minute, I continually get the following error log entry every >time there's something waiting for the admin's approval but I >never get email notifying me that the posting is waiting for my >approval. > > > Oct 02 12:31:00 2001 (30915) Delivery exception: EOF read where object > expected > > Oct 02 12:31:00 2001 (30915) Traceback (innermost last): > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in > do_pipeline > > func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 140, in process > > hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost) > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in > hold_for_approval > > mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata) > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage > > self.__opendb() > > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb > > self.__db = marshal.load(fp) > > EOFError: EOF read where object expected > > >When trying to load the admindb page for my lists, I get: > > > Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6 > > > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > > > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. > > Printing of traceback and other system information has been > > explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this > > information in the Mailman error logs. > > >The traceback from the error log looks like: > > > Oct 02 16:49:00 2001 admin(5478): > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > admin(5478): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----] > > admin(5478): [----- Traceback ------] > > admin(5478): Traceback (innermost last): > > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > > admin(5478): main() > > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 113, > in main > > admin(5478): PrintRequests(mlist, doc) > > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 129, > in PrintRequests > > admin(5478): if not mlist.NumRequestsPending(): > > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in > NumRequestsPending > > admin(5478): self.__opendb() > > admin(5478): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in > __opendb > > admin(5478): self.__db = marshal.load(fp) > > admin(5478): EOFError: EOF read where object expected > > admin(5478): [----- Python Information -----] > > admin(5478): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar 3 2001, 01:35:43) [GCC > 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2 > > admin(5478): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python > > admin(5478): sys.prefix = /usr > > admin(5478): sys.exec_prefix= /usr > > admin(5478): sys.path = /usr > > admin(5478): sys.platform = linux-i386 > > admin(5478): [----- Environment Variables -----] > > admin(5478): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/local/apache/htdocs > > admin(5478): SERVER_ADDR: 206.190.71.8 > > admin(5478): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate,compress,identity > > admin(5478): SERVER_PORT: 80 > > admin(5478): PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/stage > > admin(5478): REMOTE_ADDR: 207.114.168.48 > > admin(5478): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en > > admin(5478): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > > admin(5478): SERVER_NAME: www.fix.net > > admin(5478): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive > > admin(5478): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686; > en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010316 > > admin(5478): HTTP_ACCEPT: */* > > admin(5478): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/stage > > admin(5478): QUERY_STRING: > > admin(5478): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb > > admin(5478): HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300 > > admin(5478): HTTP_HOST: www.fix.net > > admin(5478): REQUEST_METHOD: GET > > admin(5478): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.20 Server at > www.fix.net Port 80
> > > > admin(5478): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb > > admin(5478): SERVER_ADMIN: root at fix.net > > admin(5478): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 > mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6 > > admin(5478): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman > > admin(5478): PATH_INFO: /stage > > admin(5478): HTTP_COOKIE: > stage:admin=280200000069da15ba3b732800000031323333383163626139353434373535623730623339323634636361393536633866343230396465; > shipping_address=name%3A%3Aasd%26company%3A%3Aasd%26address%3A%3Aasd%26city%3A%3Aasd%26state%3A%3AAlabama%26zip%3A%3Aasd%26country%3A%3AUSA%26phone%3A%3Aasd%26email%3A%3Aasd%26name2%3A%3Aasd%26company2%3A%3Aasd%26address2%3A%3Aasd%26city2%3A%3Aasd%26state2%3A%3AAlabama%26zip2%3A%3Aasd%26country2%3A%3AUSA%26phone2%3A%3Aasd%26email2%3A%3Aasd > > admin(5478): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1 > > admin(5478): REMOTE_PORT: 34257 From jtwhitlock at kih.net Wed Oct 3 03:35:16 2001 From: jtwhitlock at kih.net (JT Whitlock) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:35:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unscribe jtwhitlock@kih.net Message-ID: <001a01c14bab$a8086da0$92815940@jtw> Please unscribe me to this service. 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In-Reply-To: References: <3BB962A4.9D9D4B@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <01100221313902.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> > If I send to a list address, it appears in the archives, but doesn't get > sent. > > If I send to an individual acct on the Mailman box, everything is ok. > > If I send from the Mailman box to an external account, everything is ok. > > > > From the logs, although Mailmans 'smtp' logfile says that it is a > "Connection Refused", this isn't actually showing up at all in the > relevant log files. > > > basically I am only having a problem with mail that gets sent to the > Mailman wrapper. I do realise that this is probably not a Mailman > problem, I was just seeing if this triggered any memories from anyone who > has had a similar problem. > Is Qrunner running every minute? What happens when you run it manually (as Mailman)? You would see the same problem if mailman's wrapper were somehow disabled (like it no longer had a link in /etc/smrsh if you were using sendmail). 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Proverbs 27:1 From claw at kanga.nu Wed Oct 3 05:08:57 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:08:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: Message from Akop Pogosian of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:30:25 PDT." References: Message-ID: <22142.1002078537@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Akop Pogosian wrote: > However, the web server address for the same site is > www.ocf.berkeley.edu. If I change prefered host to > www.ocf.berkeley.edu then mailman suggests on the listinfo web > page for that list that "To post a message to all the list > members, send email to mmtest at www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU". I certaintly, > don't want anyone to use the www name in the mailing > lists. Moreover, I changed the prefered host address fro > www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU for one of the lists and it still does not > show up on the /mailman/listinfo web page. This is why there are two addresses there, one for the Web VHost, and one for mail. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Wed Oct 3 05:22:54 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:22:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix vs Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message from Larry Hansford of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:03:50 EDT." <5.1.0.14.2.20011002210149.02059de8@64.65.196.198> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002144202.028d4e10@64.65.196.198> <5.1.0.14.2.20011002210149.02059de8@64.65.196.198> Message-ID: <22332.1002079374@kanga.nu> On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:03:50 -0400 Larry Hansford wrote: > I love that idea! Where do I find information on configuring > Postfix so it will auto-generate the aliases? IIRC there's a HOWTO in Mailman's CVS. You can also find a copy if you search the -developers archives. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From rob at film.calarts.edu Wed Oct 3 06:02:53 2001 From: rob at film.calarts.edu (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:02:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 mailmans with 1 exim In-Reply-To: <20011002201406.C2607@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:14:06PM -0400 References: <20011002130718.A31801@emsh.calarts.edu> <20011002201406.C2607@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <20011002210253.D3492@emsh.calarts.edu> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 08:14:06PM -0400, Greg Ward wrote: > On 02 October 2001, Rob Lingelbach said: > > I'm running 2 instances of mailman-2.0.6 with 1 exim-3.33. > > I need to have 2 different MAILMAN_HOME's in exim's configure > > file to cover the different installation locations of mailman. > > I see in mailman's README.EXIM an example of how to do this > > with virtual domains, using $domain in the path; does anyone > > have an example of the exim comfiguration with absolute paths? > > thank you. > > Well, you could define MAILMAN1_HOME and MAILMAN2_HOME, and then have > two sets of Mailman directors (identical except for MAILMAN?_HOME). I > think you could get away with only one set of transports, as long as the > UID and GID are the same. thank you for the advice Greg. I thought I'd need different transports and directors because of needing to define MAILMAN_WRAP... but I'm getting, when I try to post to a list in MAILMAN2_HOME: Child process of list_transport1 transport returned 2 from command: /serve/web105/mailman/mail/wrapper I think I might have a GID or UID wrong in the mailman install. One mailman is installed as user mailman group mailman, a second mailman installed as user mailman2 group mailman (configure options on this one were: --prefix=/serve/web105/mailman --with-username=mailman2 --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody) exim is: rwsr-xr-x 1 root mail 508344 Aug 28 12:43 /usr/local/bin/exim* Before I rewrote exim's configuration as below I had been using both mailmans (I thought) successfully, until I noticed that on one large list, old messages were being dredged up and re-sent; that's when I realized (ruefully) that there was a README.EXIM. I had been using the aliases approach. -----top section--- # mailman section (also see transports & directors) # MAILMAN1_HOME=/home/mailman MAILMAN2_HOME=/serve/web105/mailman # wrapper script for mailman MAILMAN1_WRAP=MAILMAN1_HOME/mail/wrapper MAILMAN2_WRAP=MAILMAN2_HOME/mail/wrapper # user and group for mailman MAILMAN_UID=exim MAILMAN_GID=exim ---transports--- list_transport1: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN1_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_request_transport1: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN1_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_admin_transport1: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN1_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_transport2: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN2_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_request_transport2: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN2_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_admin_transport2: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN2_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID ---directors--- ## First 2 directors rewrite list-owner or owner-list to list-admin ## This is only done if the list exists. ## List existence checks are done by seeing if the file ## MAILMAN_HOME/lists//config.db ## exists. list_owner_director1: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN1_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db suffix = "-owner" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" owner_list_director1: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN1_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db prefix = "owner-" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" ## ## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the appropriate ## transport. List existence is checked as above. list_admin_director1: driver = smartuser suffix = -admin require_files = MAILMAN1_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_admin_transport1 list_request_director1: driver = smartuser suffix = -request require_files = MAILMAN1_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_request_transport1 list_director1: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN1_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_transport1 ## First 2 directors rewrite list-owner or owner-list to list-admin ## This is only done if the list exists. ## List existence checks are done by seeing if the file ## MAILMAN_HOME/lists//config.db ## exists. list_owner_director2: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN2_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db suffix = "-owner" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" owner_list_director2: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN2_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db prefix = "owner-" new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" ## ## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the appropriate ## transport. List existence is checked as above. list_admin_director2: driver = smartuser suffix = -admin require_files = MAILMAN2_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_admin_transport2 list_request_director2: driver = smartuser suffix = -request require_files = MAILMAN2_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_request_transport2 list_director2: driver = smartuser require_files = MAILMAN2_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db transport = list_transport2 -- Rob Lingelbach rob at film.calarts.edu System Administrator http://www.alegria.com Computer Animation Lab rob at alegria.com California Institute of the Arts http://tig.alegria.com From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Wed Oct 3 08:24:40 2001 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: <22142.1002078537@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Oct 2001, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:30:25 -0700 (PDT) > Akop Pogosian wrote: > > > However, the web server address for the same site is > > www.ocf.berkeley.edu. If I change prefered host to > > www.ocf.berkeley.edu then mailman suggests on the listinfo web > > page for that list that "To post a message to all the list > > members, send email to mmtest at www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU". I certaintly, > > don't want anyone to use the www name in the mailing > > lists. Moreover, I changed the prefered host address fro > > www.OCF.Berkeley.EDU for one of the lists and it still does not > > show up on the /mailman/listinfo web page. > > This is why there are two addresses there, one for the Web VHost, > and one for mail. I can't find the option that sets a default name for vhost. Is that supposed to be in general options? -akop From nb at thinkcoach.com Wed Oct 3 09:33:29 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:33:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limited posting In-Reply-To: <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> (message from Amanda on Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:08:51 -0700) References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> Message-ID: <200110030733.f937XTa04692@quill.local> > Jim Kutter wrote: > > > Also - as far as stats go, in the smtp log, is that a fair > > count for how many messages really got sent? For what purpose do you need this count? I.e. do you want to bill a customer for the number of email messages that are sent out from his account? Or do you want, e.g. for purposes of selling ads in an ezine, an estimate of the number of messages that actually arrive in somebody's mailbox? Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From nb at thinkcoach.com Wed Oct 3 10:00:20 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:00:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] VERP and bounce-counting: Offer to create a Mailman patch In-Reply-To: <29971.1002053547@2wire.com> (message from J C Lawrence on Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:12:27 -0700) References: <007801c14b51$fbd10be0$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BB9E744.209F0684@auntminnie.com> <018a01c14b70$5eb19040$6e01a8c0@jim> <3BBA10C3.F664B319@auntminnie.com> <29971.1002053547@2wire.com> Message-ID: <200110030800.f9380KN10226@quill.local> > Bounce counting under Mailman does give numbers, but they are > unreliable and shouldn't be used for anything other than SWAGs. To > get "real" bounce counts you'd not only have to use VERP across your > subscriber base, but also VERP across your mailings so that every > message you send not only has a unique return address for each > subscriber, but also has a unique and trackable return address for > each message sent to each subscriber. > > This is doable, but is not entirely trivial. Its quite outside of > Mailman's base area of interest. For those of us who run Mailman on Qmail, it's however very desirable to add support to Mailman for making use of Qmail's VERP features. When/if I'll create a patch to this effect, it'll be easy to include functionality for accurate bounce- counting. I hereby offer to create such a patch under the following variation of the "Street Performer Protocol" ( the original Street Performer Protocol is described in http://www.counterpane.com/street_performer.pdf ) Those who are interested in such a patch are invited to send me, by private email, an informal offer of a sum in USD that they'd pay me if I create such a patch. If the total amount offered is at least USD1000, then I will draft an agreement that these interested parties will sign and fax to me. This agreement will detail exactly what the patch will do, and it will contain the promise of the interested party to pay the specified sum after I release a patch that meets the specifications. If I get such agreements covering at least USD1000, then I will create the patch and publish it. Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From miki at canaan.co.il Wed Oct 3 10:43:17 2001 From: miki at canaan.co.il (Ben-Nes Michael) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:43:17 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] activate under same user as apache - was[ remove_members by other users[ References: <00b401c149d1$8d484200$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> <22128.1001970609@2wire.com> <20011002132830.A805@freemail.hu> Message-ID: <015101c14be7$73157840$aa5796d4@canaan.co.il> Is there any security problems in using same user for apache and mailman ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Szilard Vizi" To: "Ben-Nes Michael" ; "Mailman-Users" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 1:28 PM Subject: Re: remove_members by other users > Ben-Nes Michael wrote: > > > I need to be able executing remove_members by other users ( like > > nobody ) > > Maybe I can give you a trick. > Generate a list of the members who you want to delete from the list > as the "other user" and dump it to a text file which is readable and > writable for Mailman. > > Save this script into your Mailman/bin/ dir as delete.sh: > > #!/bin/bash > if [ -f /tmp/unwanted_members.txt ]; then > ~/bin/remove_members -f /tmp/unwanted_members.txt listname > rm -rf /tmp/unwanted_members.txt > fi > > And run this script from the Mailman's crontab entry. Eg. if you > want to syncronize your memberlist every day 5 am: > > 0 5 * * * /home/mailman/bin/delete.sh > > That is all. > > Szilard Vizi > ------------- > mailto:vizisz at freemail.hu UIN:10676592 > From khuang at redhat.com Wed Oct 3 10:51:35 2001 From: khuang at redhat.com (Kiat Huang) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:51:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a subscriber's lists In-Reply-To: <29382.1002048212@2wire.com>; from claw@2wire.com on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:43:32AM -0700 References: <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> <29382.1002048212@2wire.com> Message-ID: <20011003095135.A2252@redhat.com> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:43:32AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:16:22 -0700 > Kiat Huang wrote: > > > Hi, Is there a way through the web interface or other means (say > > as the mailman admin, or a user not root (linux)) that can list > > all the lists a given user is subscribed to? > > There's a button to that effect on every list member's page. ok thx, but i'm looking for a way via the webpage preferably that gives me (an admin) the lists of any given user. > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. Cheers, Kiat -------------------------------------------------------------- Kiat Huang direct: +44 1483 734924 Systems Administrator office: +44 1483 300169 Red Hat Europe mobile: +44 7866 626855 10 Alan Turing Road, Surrey Research Park, Guildford GU2 7YF GnuPG CA5FE3D6 8136 261E 9C0B 1837 A6D4 0F30 A223 3513 CA5F ------------------------------------------------------------- From PBoshoff at mweb.com Wed Oct 3 11:20:36 2001 From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:20:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail slipping through Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB903402D8AEC8@za14nt02.mweb.com> Hi, Mailman V2.01 using Exim V3.20 my list is setup so that all mail must be approved by the moderator and only members may post to the list, but there are mail messages getting to the clients without it being held for approval. My list server currently has 40 lists with *5000 clients per list. I need to know what I can do to secure my lists more. > Pieter Boshoff > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > unix sys admin > Tel: +27 11 340 7256 > Fax: +27 11 340 7288 > Cell: +27 83 600 4095 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > M-WEB Business Solutions > Making it happen. > > Go shopping @ http://shopping.mweb.co.za > Get your business online @ http://business.mweb.com > > From nb at thinkcoach.com Wed Oct 3 13:04:45 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:04:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails In-Reply-To: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> (rgant@flash.net) References: <3BB9C645.257369CE@flash.net> Message-ID: <200110031104.f93B4jP26841@quill.local> > Dear Mailman list: > > Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN) changed to the Mailman program > yesterday, our moderators' list (which has 40 to 50 > moderators) is flooded with blank emails. Each moderator's > list gets them with the name of his or her own list. > E.G. mine come to cinjub-admin at cin.org The forwarded letter > below blanks come to cinmain-admin at cin.org because he is the > moderator of the CINMAIN list. Can anyone offer suggestions? Obviously, check the maillog carefully. What triggers the generation of these messages? Are you using demime or some other tool in a pipe to Mailman, that might choke on some types of messages? (One way to create a bounce-loop is to use demime on the list-admin address, and have one list-owner's email address generate bouces of a MIME type that demime cannot handle... this type of bounce-loop will flood the other list-owners with empty messages like you have described.) Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us Wed Oct 3 14:17:57 2001 From: pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us (Paul Fox) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman without CGI? Message-ID: <5098.1002111477@foxharp.boston.ma.us> the web server i run doesn't support CGI scripts. i kind of like it that way, in general. from the mailman docs, and from the little bit of playing i've done, it looks as if from a users point of view the web interface isn't strictly needed -- all operations can be accomplished via email messages to the xxx-request address. i also believe the pipermail interface isn't dependent on cgi access, though i might be mistake on that. what's not so clear is whether the admin functions (message and subscription approval, etc) can be done without the web. is there a command line interface for any of that stuff? paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 54.9 degrees) From alex at phred.org Wed Oct 3 14:55:40 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 05:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman without CGI? In-Reply-To: <5098.1002111477@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <20011003055233.P68814-100000@phred.org> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Paul Fox wrote: > what's not so clear is whether the admin functions (message and > subscription approval, etc) can be done without the web. is there > a command line interface for any of that stuff? You can build a command line interface for them using ~mailman/bin/withlist, but most of the functionality isn't available out of the box. There are existing scripts for basic functions such as getting a list of users, adding users, and removing users. withlist just exposes the database structure directly. I'd think that a simpler solution could be used if you don't want to expose CGI. You could run a copy of apache (or whatever) on an alternate port which is only accessible via localhost or your internal network. Put the mailman CGI's there and use that for admin functionality, but it won't be exposed to the world. alex From jonc at haht.com Wed Oct 3 16:24:37 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:24:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman without CGI? References: <20011003055233.P68814-100000@phred.org> Message-ID: <002901c14c17$21f97580$0b04010a@JCARNES> Alex's idea is good, but if you don't want the CGI and therefore you don't want the web-interface controls, you should think about using a different List-Server. There are many open source list -servers which do not use a web interface. Majordomo is a prime example of one. Use the right tool for the job you want to do... Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex wetmore" To: "Paul Fox" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman without CGI? > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Paul Fox wrote: > > what's not so clear is whether the admin functions (message and > > subscription approval, etc) can be done without the web. is there > > a command line interface for any of that stuff? > > You can build a command line interface for them using > ~mailman/bin/withlist, but most of the functionality isn't available > out of the box. There are existing scripts for basic functions such > as getting a list of users, adding users, and removing users. > withlist just exposes the database structure directly. > > I'd think that a simpler solution could be used if you don't want to > expose CGI. You could run a copy of apache (or whatever) on an > alternate port which is only accessible via localhost or your internal > network. Put the mailman CGI's there and use that for admin > functionality, but it won't be exposed to the world. > > alex > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us Wed Oct 3 16:32:28 2001 From: pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us (Paul Fox) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:32:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman without CGI? In-Reply-To: jonc's message of Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:24:37 -0400. <002901c14c17$21f97580$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <16194.1002119548@foxharp.boston.ma.us> > Alex's idea is good, but if you don't want the CGI and therefore you don't > want the web-interface controls, you should think about using a different > List-Server. There are many open source list -servers which do not use a > web interface. Majordomo is a prime example of one. Use the right tool for > the job you want to do... thanks. i hadn't been sure whether the cgi functionality was integral to the design, or an optional add-on. i see it's more like the former. i'll also take a look at the scripting hooks that alex mentioned. and running a cgi-enabled server internally is a good idea too. thanks all... paul =--------------------- paul fox, pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 65.7 degrees) From ncooler at nandomedia.com Wed Oct 3 17:30:07 2001 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: 03 Oct 2001 11:30:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] html in list archives Message-ID: <1002123008.7670.43.camel@kneel> Is there a way to configure pipermail or mailman to render html emails in the archives instead of just printing out the raw html code? -neil From claw at kanga.nu Wed Oct 3 18:35:16 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:35:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: Message from Akop Pogosian of "Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:24:40 PDT." References: Message-ID: <31059.1002126916@kanga.nu> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Akop Pogosian wrote: > I can't find the option that sets a default name for vhost. Is > that supposed to be in general options? This is set at config time, preserved in ~/Mailman/Config.py and is updatable/overrideable in ~/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Wed Oct 3 18:37:51 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:37:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a subscriber's lists In-Reply-To: Message from Kiat Huang of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:51:35 BST." <20011003095135.A2252@redhat.com> References: <20011002181622.M4110@redhat.com> <29382.1002048212@2wire.com> <20011003095135.A2252@redhat.com> Message-ID: <31105.1002127071@kanga.nu> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:51:35 +0100 Kiat Huang wrote: > On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:43:32AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:16:22 -0700 Kiat Huang >> wrote: >>> Hi, Is there a way through the web interface or other means (say >>> as the mailman admin, or a user not root (linux)) that can list >>> all the lists a given user is subscribed to? >> There's a button to that effect on every list member's page. > ok thx, but i'm looking for a way via the webpage preferably that > gives me (an admin) the lists of any given user. You, as admin, can use the same button. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Wed Oct 3 18:39:47 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman without CGI? In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Fox of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:17:57 EDT." <5098.1002111477@foxharp.boston.ma.us> References: <5098.1002111477@foxharp.boston.ma.us> Message-ID: <31123.1002127187@kanga.nu> On Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:17:57 -0400 Paul Fox wrote: > what's not so clear is whether the admin functions (message and > subscription approval, etc) can be done without the web. is there > a command line interface for any of that stuff? Nope, neither a commandline or email interface (unless you count with_list as a CLI). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Wed Oct 3 18:41:14 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] html in list archives In-Reply-To: Message from Neil Cooler of "03 Oct 2001 11:30:07 EDT." <1002123008.7670.43.camel@kneel> References: <1002123008.7670.43.camel@kneel> Message-ID: <31171.1002127274@kanga.nu> On 03 Oct 2001 11:30:07 -0400 Neil Cooler wrote: > Is there a way to configure pipermail or mailman to render html > emails in the archives instead of just printing out the raw html > code? Currently, no. If this or proper MIME support is needed, use an external archiver ala MHonArc. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Wed Oct 3 18:46:46 2001 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:46:46 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropping Sendmail In-Reply-To: <3BB9DEE0.7030006@geneseo.edu> Message-ID: <3BBAEC96.3556.2E4C715@localhost> OK... the sendmail problems that have been discussed here at some length have driven me to the point of converting to postfix. So, I was wondering... what do I need to do to Mailman to tell it to use postfix instead of sendmail? Thanks, Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home) (970)-642-0244 (office) FAX: (970)-642-0282 ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM: MAvery81230 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: DOS 6.0 - A $49 confirmation that you need REAL utilities. From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Wed Oct 3 18:51:31 2001 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:51:31 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosed mail, clueless lusers, is this STILL Monday? In-Reply-To: <3BB9DEE0.7030006@geneseo.edu> Message-ID: <3BBAEDB3.31773.2E92183@localhost> This weekend my ISP changed my setup so instead of routing my subnet directly to the internet, I'm using NAT through a single address. My system changes worked really well. However, he fat-fingered his DNS entries. *sigh* So, when I moved lists from another list server to Mailman and entered the password, the list creation announcement went to never-never land. Of course, "knowing" that the moderators would get the passwords, I didn't bother remembering them, writing them down, or anything sensible like that. Is there a way to recover the mailing list passwords? I don't see it.... I'd rather recover the passwords than have to change 'em all. Thanks, Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home) (970)-642-0244 (office) FAX: (970)-642-0282 ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM: MAvery81230 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: A short saying contains much wisdom. - Sophocles. From jim at ebizq.net Wed Oct 3 18:47:24 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major problem Message-ID: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> Hi again folks. I seem to be having a major problem. A condition occurrs where Mailman does not respond to anything via e-mail. I.E.Mails to *-request addresses don't work, postings do not appear, etc... This is not a problem in Sendmail because the maillog reports that the mail is being forwarded properly to wrapper. Once it hits that, everything comes to a screeching halt. The web interfaces work properly. Here is a tail of my error log. Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): kids = main(lock) Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): addrs = func(msg) Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \ Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): TypeError : read-only character buffer, None From claw at kanga.nu Wed Oct 3 18:59:49 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:59:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropping Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message from "Mike Avery" of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:46:46 MDT." <3BBAEC96.3556.2E4C715@localhost> References: <3BBAEC96.3556.2E4C715@localhost> Message-ID: <31594.1002128389@kanga.nu> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:46:46 -0600 Mike Avery wrote: > So, I was wondering... what do I need to do to Mailman to tell it > to use postfix instead of sendmail? Pretty close to nothing. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From jonc at haht.com Wed Oct 3 19:29:10 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:29:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosed mail, clueless lusers, is this STILL Monday? References: <3BBAEDB3.31773.2E92183@localhost> Message-ID: <00e401c14c30$e9ab66b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> > Is there a way to recover the mailing list passwords? I > don't see it.... I'd rather recover the passwords than > have to change 'em all. > > Thanks, > Mike > -- The passwords are stored in each list's config.db file. Alas, this particular password seems to be encrypted (unlike the users passwords). Perhaps you should check your email bounces. They may contain the original message encased around a bunch of unable to deliver notations.... Still, if it was just a DNS problem, you MTA may have just cached the message and waited for good entries to begin pouring in - if that is the case, you'll be in good shape. Though next time, you will undoubtedly CC yourself. Take care - Jon Carnes From jkeenan at blkcat.com Wed Oct 3 19:39:57 2001 From: jkeenan at blkcat.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:39:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dropping Sendmail In-Reply-To: <31594.1002128389@kanga.nu> Message-ID: For me, I think it was actually nothing. Mailman uses the "sendmail" interface to send outgoing mail, and the Postfix version just dropped into place. And the aliases file entries that Mailman generates work fine with Postfix. joe On Wednesday, October 3, 2001, at 12:59 PM, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:46:46 -0600 > Mike Avery wrote: > >> So, I was wondering... what do I need to do to Mailman to tell it >> to use postfix instead of sendmail? > > Pretty close to nothing. > > -- > J C Lawrence > ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. > claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Oct 3 19:45:20 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:45:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major problem In-Reply-To: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> References: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <20011003134520.A11156@mems-exchange.org> On 03 October 2001, Jim Kutter said: > A condition occurrs where Mailman does not respond to anything via > e-mail. I.E.Mails to *-request addresses don't work, postings do not > appear, etc... > > This is not a problem in Sendmail because the maillog reports that the > mail is being forwarded properly to wrapper. Once it hits that, > everything comes to a screeching halt. Sounds like qrunner isn't running. > Here is a tail of my error log. > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): kids = main(lock) > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): addrs = func(msg) > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \ > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): TypeError : read-only character buffer, None OK, maybe qrunner is running, but it's crashing. Try running qrunner manually -- ie. "su - mailman" and run the qrunner crontab line at the shell prompt. Do you still get this traceback? (I would expect you to.) BTW, you forgot to mention: * Mailman version * Python version * OS and OS version * MTA and MTA version Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From jim at ebizq.net Wed Oct 3 20:07:15 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major problem References: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> <20011003134520.A11156@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <001a01c14c36$3c021940$6e01a8c0@jim> Sorry about that. > * Mailman version - 2.0.6 > * Python version - 1.5 > * OS and OS version - RedHat 6.2 > * MTA and MTA version - Sendmail 8.11 Running "python qrunner 2>1" as mailman displays nothing... -jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Ward" To: "Jim Kutter" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Major problem > On 03 October 2001, Jim Kutter said: > > A condition occurrs where Mailman does not respond to anything via > > e-mail. I.E.Mails to *-request addresses don't work, postings do not > > appear, etc... > > > > This is not a problem in Sendmail because the maillog reports that the > > mail is being forwarded properly to wrapper. Once it hits that, > > everything comes to a screeching halt. > > Sounds like qrunner isn't running. > > > Here is a tail of my error log. > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): kids = main(lock) > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): addrs = func(msg) > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \ > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): TypeError : read-only character buffer, None > > OK, maybe qrunner is running, but it's crashing. > > Try running qrunner manually -- ie. "su - mailman" and run the qrunner > crontab line at the shell prompt. Do you still get this traceback? (I > would expect you to.) > > BTW, you forgot to mention: > * Mailman version > * Python version > * OS and OS version > * MTA and MTA version > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Wed Oct 3 20:11:56 2001 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:11:56 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News group transfers... In-Reply-To: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <3BBB008B.1204.332BF9D@localhost> I'm playing with using mailman to move some of my favorite news groups into mailing lists, and have run into a snag. What I'd like to do is have everything from the newsgroup make it to the mailing list, but only let subscribers to the mailing list send mail to the mailing list and then on to the news group. Can I do this? At present, I've opened the mailing list so anyone can post to it, and I REALLY don't like doing that... Thanks, Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home) (970)-642-0244 (office) FAX: (970)-642-0282 ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM: MAvery81230 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Brevity is the soul of lingerie. From rob at film.calarts.edu Wed Oct 3 20:26:29 2001 From: rob at film.calarts.edu (Rob Lingelbach) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-exim 'returned 2' error In-Reply-To: ; from Mailer-Daemon@emsh.calarts.edu on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:00:37AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20011003112629.A4436@emsh.calarts.edu> getting the following on a test post. On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 11:00:37AM -0700, Mail Delivery System wrote: > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim). > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > mailmantest at emsh.calarts.edu > Child process of list_transport2 transport returned 2 from command: > /serve/web105/mailman/mail/wrapper mailman is version 2.0.6 exim is version 3.33 python is 1.5.2 OS is Linux 6.2 mailman was configured: ./configure --prefix=/serve/web105/mailman --with-groupname=exim --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-username=exim here's /serve/web105/mailman/mail/wrapper: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root exim 31447 Oct 3 10:59 /serve/web105/mailman/mail/wrapper* exim: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root mail 508344 Aug 28 12:43 /usr/local/bin/exim* which runs as user 'exim'. and here are a few exim configure excerpts: MAILMAN2_HOME=/serve/web105/mailman MAILMAN2_WRAP=MAILMAN2_HOME/mail/wrapper MAILMAN_UID=exim MAILMAN_GID=exim list_transport2: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN2_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_request_transport2: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN2_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID list_admin_transport2: driver = pipe command = MAILMAN2_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part} user = MAILMAN_UID group = MAILMAN_GID -- Rob Lingelbach rob at film.calarts.edu System Administrator http://www.alegria.com Computer Animation Lab rob at alegria.com California Institute of the Arts http://tig.alegria.com From jim at ebizq.net Wed Oct 3 20:58:40 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:58:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major problem References: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> <20011003134520.A11156@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: <004d01c14c3d$6cc5c160$6e01a8c0@jim> Ok. After some digging it would seem that a message somewhere gets jammed in the qfiles directory, and prevents qrunner from getting to the other messages. The log file indicates that qrunner dies for some reason, but running it from the command line does nothing to the number of messages in the qfiles directory - 1156 .msg and .db files... I think I remedied the problem before, by deleting all the files in the qfiles directory. I now realize just what I did, and I don't want to do that again... Is there a way to get the pipes flowing again without losing all those messages? Thanks -jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Ward" To: "Jim Kutter" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Major problem > On 03 October 2001, Jim Kutter said: > > A condition occurrs where Mailman does not respond to anything via > > e-mail. I.E.Mails to *-request addresses don't work, postings do not > > appear, etc... > > > > This is not a problem in Sendmail because the maillog reports that the > > mail is being forwarded properly to wrapper. Once it hits that, > > everything comes to a screeching halt. > > Sounds like qrunner isn't running. > > > Here is a tail of my error log. > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): kids = main(lock) > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg): > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): addrs = func(msg) > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \ > > Oct 03 12:00:04 2001 qrunner(22037): TypeError : read-only character buffer, None > > OK, maybe qrunner is running, but it's crashing. > > Try running qrunner manually -- ie. "su - mailman" and run the qrunner > crontab line at the shell prompt. Do you still get this traceback? (I > would expect you to.) > > BTW, you forgot to mention: > * Mailman version > * Python version > * OS and OS version > * MTA and MTA version > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From sara.harris at accenture.com Wed Oct 3 22:35:50 2001 From: sara.harris at accenture.com (sara.harris at accenture.com) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:35:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Thread View to work Message-ID: I am using mailman and when i view the archives with the thread view - there is NO thread view. Meaning the breakout of the threadview does not have a tabbing sequence - the various threads are no indented and do not fall under the parent email. Any suggestions why?? Thanks Sara This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. From jtwhitlock at kih.net Wed Oct 3 23:13:56 2001 From: jtwhitlock at kih.net (JT Whitlock) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:13:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deletion, unscribe, Help Message-ID: <001701c14c50$503aa5c0$f8815940@jtw> As a computer dummy I, by mistake, signed on the "Mailman", now I am getting from 50 to 150 letters daily. PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE, CAN YOU UNSCRIBE ME ? J. T. Whitlock....... jtwhitlock at kih.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011003/0b338cc8/attachment.htm From claw at 2wire.com Wed Oct 3 23:37:12 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major problem In-Reply-To: Message from "Jim Kutter" of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:58:40 EDT." <004d01c14c3d$6cc5c160$6e01a8c0@jim> References: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> <20011003134520.A11156@mems-exchange.org> <004d01c14c3d$6cc5c160$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <4159.1002145032@2wire.com> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:58:40 -0400 Jim Kutter wrote: > Ok. After some digging it would seem that a message somewhere gets > jammed in the qfiles directory, and prevents qrunner from getting > to the other messages. The log file indicates that qrunner dies > for some reason, but running it from the command line does nothing > to the number of messages in the qfiles directory - 1156 .msg and > .db files... > I think I remedied the problem before, by deleting all the files > in the qfiles directory. I now realize just what I did, and I > don't want to do that again... > Is there a way to get the pipes flowing again without losing all > those messages? I've been there, twice. In neither case was I able to determine how I got there (tho one case looked like an ill-timed reboot dueing a queue run). Method of solution: cd ~/qfiles mkdir tmp mv * tmp Depending on time and facility you might like to pre-scan all the files in ~/qfiles/tmp and remove all the entries for bounces (odds are that's the majority of them). This will save considerable time in your later processing. Now move small batches (say 15 at a time) of matching .db and .msg from ~/qfiles/tmp to ~/qfiles, and run qrunner manually from the command line. After every pass the ~/qfiles directory should be empty (unless bounces have come in during the interim). Repeat this process, working through the contents of ~/qfiles/tmp. When you find an entry which won't deliver, examine it for corruption and delete/remove as applicable. In my case I found two obviously corrupted entries for bounces. Once I removed those everything else flowed smoothly. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From eric-mailman at pretorious.net Wed Oct 3 23:50:39 2001 From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands Message-ID: Hello: I've noticed that the pine MUA recognizes the set of commands that are encapsulated with this list's traffic (List-Help, List-Post, List-Unsubscribe, etc.). Is there a standard for these commands? If so, where can I find out more about them? -- Eric P. Los Gatos, CA From claw at 2wire.com Wed Oct 3 23:56:04 2001 From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:56:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands In-Reply-To: Message from of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:50:39 PDT." References: Message-ID: <4351.1002146164@2wire.com> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:50:39 -0700 (PDT) eric-mailman wrote: > Hello: I've noticed that the pine MUA recognizes the set of > commands that are encapsulated with this list's traffic > (List-Help, List-Post, List-Unsubscribe, etc.). Is there a > standard for these commands? If so, where can I find out more > about them? RFC 2369. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From dave at geol.ucsb.edu Thu Oct 4 00:43:49 2001 From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] naming a list Message-ID: <200110032243.PAA06977@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> While I've never had a problem coming up with a name for a mailing list, I am now trying to determine the most standard Internet convention for naming a list. Because I manage the network for a Geology Department, I often have to create users (i.e. for filesharing) for courses. An example of this would be 'gs20' for a course entitled 'Geological Sciences 20'. When the course also needs a mailing list, I thus have to create a new name for the list other than 'gs20'. This is the standard convention that I am seeking. I don't particularly like the listserv convention of '-l' appended to each mailing list name. Any other suggestions? Thanks. Dave Robbins From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Oct 4 00:47:24 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deletion, unscribe, Help In-Reply-To: <001701c14c50$503aa5c0$f8815940@jtw> References: <001701c14c50$503aa5c0$f8815940@jtw> Message-ID: <01100318472401.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> Since about 8 folks have already helped this guy, I can only assume that he is some sort of Troll. Let's ignore him. The Troll may actually be using someone else's email address (someone they obviously don't like) Every part of the body has a function... and in this wide world I believe I know what this guy's function is: releasing pent up methane from the large intestines of life... === On Wednesday 03 October 2001 17:13, JT Whitlock wrote: > As a computer dummy I, by mistake, signed on the "Mailman", now I am > getting from 50 to 150 letters daily. PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE, CAN YOU > UNSCRIBE ME ? > > J. T. Whitlock....... > > jtwhitlock at kih.net ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Attachment: 1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Wed Oct 3 12:37:37 2001 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:07:37 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] naming a list In-Reply-To: <200110032243.PAA06977@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: On Oct 3, 2001 at 15:43, Dave Robbins wrote: [user accoun gs20, mailing list name gs20] >This is the standard convention that I am seeking. >I don't particularly like the listserv convention of '-l' >appended to each mailing list name. Any other suggestions? In the example which you cited, appending '-l' makes the most sense. However, it is your domain so you can name it pretty much anything you want. gs-20 and variations spring to mind. The least confusing, yet short, one is 'gs20-l'. Sorry, that's the optimum solution for you. -- Satya. Shoot your program and put it out of its memory! From benwa at ocentrix.com Thu Oct 4 01:16:51 2001 From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:16:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deletion, unscribe, Help In-Reply-To: <01100318472401.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> References: <001701c14c50$503aa5c0$f8815940@jtw> <01100318472401.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <01100316165103.05404@va05> I agree. I have personally tried to help this person in very simple terms to no avail. I apologize for taking up yet more of your bandwidth, but I felt that Mr. Carnes deserved a second for his motion to ignore - Ben On Wednesday 03 October 2001 03:47 pm, Jon Carnes wrote: > Since about 8 folks have already helped this guy, I can only assume that he > is some sort of Troll. Let's ignore him. > > The Troll may actually be using someone else's email address (someone they > obviously don't like) > > Every part of the body has a function... and in this wide world I believe I > know what this guy's function is: releasing pent up methane from the large > intestines of life... From benwa at ocentrix.com Thu Oct 4 01:27:18 2001 From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] naming a list In-Reply-To: <200110032243.PAA06977@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> References: <200110032243.PAA06977@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <01100316271804.05404@va05> On Wednesday 03 October 2001 03:43 pm, Dave Robbins wrote: > While I've never had a problem coming up with a name for a mailing list, > I am now trying to determine the most standard Internet convention > for naming a list. > > Because I manage the network for a Geology Department, > I often have to create users (i.e. for filesharing) for courses. > An example of this would be 'gs20' for a course entitled > 'Geological Sciences 20'. > > When the course also needs a mailing list, I thus have to create > a new name for the list other than 'gs20'. Creating a different list name doesn't seem to be necessary to me unless this user (gs20) has to receive email for any other purpose. If it doesn't can't you set the alias up as normal. After all if there isn't supposed to be any other email going to this user account everything that does can be assumed to be destined for the list. ...or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. > > This is the standard convention that I am seeking. > I don't particularly like the listserv convention of '-l' > appended to each mailing list name. Any other suggestions? If you've got to come up with a convention why not use the '-l' convention. Or do you really feel like reinventing a wheel that other's have already put to use : ) - Ben From kdevilbiss at independentmeans.com Thu Oct 4 02:14:58 2001 From: kdevilbiss at independentmeans.com (Kerry DeVilbiss) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:14:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Message Content Message-ID: <4517C6AB549A2548B699E7DC7AB1ABD81C07@imi-exchange.independentmeans.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011003/180a74e0/attachment.html From jvallery at ewol.com Thu Oct 4 02:39:42 2001 From: jvallery at ewol.com (Jean Vallery) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:39:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a Mailing list Server Message-ID: <200110032039.AA3316711698@mail.ewol.com> I had the pleasure of using mailman once before installed on a ISP's Unix server. He installed it but then a few months later closed shop. Is anyone out there in the Sarasota Florida area that could install the software, unix or other system to allow sendmail, perl,python and mailman to operate. I've a dual 200mh processor ,three two gig hard drives. Previous was a win at k advanced server but virus wiped me out I only want to have one mailing list using a DSL connection? Thank you Jean Andre Vallery Sarasota Florida From dan at ssc.com Thu Oct 4 03:15:12 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:15:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a Mailing list Server In-Reply-To: <200110032039.AA3316711698@mail.ewol.com> References: <200110032039.AA3316711698@mail.ewol.com> Message-ID: <20011003181512.A17497@ssc.com> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 08:39:42PM -0400, Jean Vallery wrote: > I had the pleasure of using mailman once before installed on a ISP's Unix server. He installed it but then a few months later closed shop. > Is anyone out there in the Sarasota Florida area that could install the software, unix or other system to allow sendmail, perl,python and mailman to operate. I've a dual 200mh processor ,three two gig hard drives. Previous was a win at k advanced server but virus wiped me out > I only want to have one mailing list using a DSL connection? > Thank you > Jean Andre Vallery > Sarasota Florida > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > You might check http://www.linuxjournal.com/glue/ "Groups of Linux Users Everywhere" for possible contacts. google.com returns 1,040 hits to a search for Sarasota Florida Linux -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From eric-mailman at pretorious.net Thu Oct 4 03:19:47 2001 From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands In-Reply-To: <4351.1002146164@2wire.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:50:39 -0700 (PDT) > eric-mailman wrote: > > > Hello: I've noticed that the pine MUA recognizes the set of > > commands that are encapsulated with this list's traffic > > (List-Help, List-Post, List-Unsubscribe, etc.). Is there a > > standard for these commands? If so, where can I find out more > > about them? > > RFC 2369. Do other MUA's (e.g., Outlook, Netscape, etc.) suport RFC 2369? -- Eric P. Los Gatos, CA From n.mccarter at clear.net.nz Wed Oct 3 06:15:16 2001 From: n.mccarter at clear.net.nz (Nigel McCarter) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 16:15:16 +1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] managing the list Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011003161231.00a73dd0@pop.clear.net.nz> Greetings, Mailman is brilliant (flattery will hopefully get me everywehre) I run the safe-nz list on behalf of the safety community in New Zealand. the list is sponsored by the National Institute for Water and Atmospheric Research and was originally configured by the then IT manager Wayne Knowles. Like everyone else, we are getting heaps of SPAM. Can I set the configuration to automatically reject SPAM and confine postings to members? and preferably automatically delete the rubbish? Nigel Nigel McCarter B.Sc., Dip. H.S.M., C.S.A. Safety Management and Information Services Ltd Box 23 019 Hamilton Phone 64 7 858 2429 Fax 647 858 2689 Mobile 021 212 4901 From jamie at netkonect.net Wed Oct 3 12:58:35 2001 From: jamie at netkonect.net (Jamie Lamport) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:58:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <006c01c14bfa$5a2eac80$1b05a4c2@netkonect.net> I've just installed mailman onto a Linux server. The installation appears to have gone fine but i really am having trouble finding the web front end. Where abouts is the web front end based?? Sorry to trouble you, Regards Jamie Lamport Product Development Engineer Netkonect Communications plc Opus House, Manor Court, Herriard, Basingstoke, RG25 2PH T: 0870 063 2222 F: 0870 063 4444 W: www.netkonect.net E: jamie at netkonect.net effective business internet guaranteed This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your system. The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact the Netkonect helpdesk on 0870 063 2222. From Berean at C-Squad.org Wed Oct 3 15:52:40 2001 From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:52:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? Message-ID: Thanks for the answers to my previous question, they were very much appreciated. I just have one more: Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? I know it can list and store archives, but I havent seen anything about searching them. If not, would a CGI search script do the job? If it can, what would be the best CGI script to use? I have an Entropy search script preinstalled on my server, but it's designed to searc my entire website, not strictly the archives. I noticed Python.org has a feature for searching the archives by Inktomi, but that looks like its going to cost a couple of amputations. Thanks for any help! Frank Pagano (The Berean) Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 ICQ#: 98723297 AOL Screen Name: Berean333 Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek ****************************************** "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01 From and.davidson at usa.net Wed Oct 3 19:21:51 2001 From: and.davidson at usa.net (A & D Davidson) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:21:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting an undeletable list member, removing a bad email address Message-ID: <3BBB492F.6050004@usa.net> re: Deleting an undeletable list member, removing a bad email address, currupt membername, unsubscribing multiple members. I've just spent a while looking for help on a problem with a bad address entry in Mailman. Since the first several keywords I tried failed, I thought I'd post what worked. There's also a probable bug indicated here... I added 150+ users to a list via the web interface. Each one was in the format of: email at domain.com - Firstname Lastname Rather than stripping the names, this was parsed into the database as: email at domain.com - Firstname All such entries were invalid (no mail sent to them, errors in the logs), and I needed to clean them out. But the web interface refused to remove these users when I 'unchecked' their entries in the admin pages. Attempts to use ./remove_members kept failing, too... until I found this message: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-April/010702.html In a nutshell, the above message says one needs to use: ./remove_members listname 'email at domain.com - Firstname' (the quotes are the significant part). In fact, its example was even more complex (having to eliminate a string with quote chars in it). Last of all, here are the quick-n-dirty commandline steps I created. Yes, I know they can be improved on. Since this was my first use of 'sed', though, I was just happy to get things done. Better still would have been to incorporate the changes into the Mailman python code, or at least a line warning about bad membernames and handling quotes into remove_members' documentation: (you'll want to change listname to your list's name, be in the mailman/bin directory, etc... ) ./list_members listname |grep ' - ' >grepdash sed "s/^/.\/remove_members listname '\1/" grepdash >sed1 sed "s/$/\1'/" >sed2 chmod ug+x sed2 ./sed2 Regards, --d2 From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Oct 4 04:41:38 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:41:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01100322413803.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> > Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? I know it can > list and store archives, but I havent seen anything about searching them. > If not, would a CGI search script do the job? If it can, what would be > the best CGI script to use? I have an Entropy search script preinstalled > on my server, but it's designed to searc my entire website, not strictly > the archives. I noticed Python.org has a feature for searching the > archives by Inktomi, but that looks like its going to cost a couple of > amputations. Thanks for any help! > > Frank Pagano (The Berean) > Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- That would be an awesome feature... The mailman archives are all text based, so they should be easy to search and index. From dan at ssc.com Thu Oct 4 04:52:30 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:52:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] managing the list In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011003161231.00a73dd0@pop.clear.net.nz>; from Nigel McCarter on Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 04:15:16PM +1200 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011003161231.00a73dd0@pop.clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <20011003195230.A26750@ssc.com> On Wed, Oct 03, 2001 at 04:15:16PM +1200, Nigel McCarter wrote: > Greetings, > Mailman is brilliant (flattery will hopefully get me everywehre) > > I run the safe-nz list on behalf of the safety community in New > Zealand. the list is sponsored by the National Institute for Water and > Atmospheric Research and was originally configured by the then IT manager > Wayne Knowles. > > Like everyone else, we are getting heaps of SPAM. > > Can I set the configuration to automatically reject SPAM and confine > postings to members? and preferably automatically delete the rubbish? > > Nigel > For particularly spam-sensitive or spam-prone lists, I find front-ending the list manager with a procmail filter makes good sense. Procmail is quite flexible, and can discard incoming mail on much more sophisticated critera than any sane mailing list software should or perhaps even could touch. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Oct 4 04:57:37 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:57:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help In-Reply-To: <006c01c14bfa$5a2eac80$1b05a4c2@netkonect.net> References: <006c01c14bfa$5a2eac80$1b05a4c2@netkonect.net> Message-ID: <01100322573704.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> On Wednesday 03 October 2001 06:58, Jamie Lamport wrote: > I've just installed mailman onto a Linux server. The installation appears > to have gone fine but i really am having trouble finding the web front > end. Where abouts is the web front end based?? > > Sorry to trouble you, > > Regards > > Jamie Lamport > Product Development Engineer You setup the web based front end when you did the install and added the cgi-script /mailman/ to your apache server. Go to the root of your web server then tack on: mailman/admin/ or mailman/listinfo/ This assumes that you have already setup a list, so you have something to look at in the admin interface. To setup a list go to ~mailman/bin and use the newlist command, then be sure to add the aliases to your /etc/aliases file (if you use sendmail...) The web setup for mailman should be in your /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf file. You'll get the hang of it fairly quickly. Mailman is a really good List-server. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Oct 4 05:06:54 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:06:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] managing the list In-Reply-To: <20011003195230.A26750@ssc.com> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011003161231.00a73dd0@pop.clear.net.nz> <20011003195230.A26750@ssc.com> Message-ID: <01100323065405.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> Dan is right - Procmail can really help you out a lot... I like to stop spam at the MTA (mail server). You can use a lot of tricks to help out with spam. If you are using Sendmail, check out the excellent resources available at: http://www.sendmail.org In particular you should look into using Orbz (I think that's what its called now...) the RBL list. This is a list of open relays used by spammers as well as a list of known spammers. Using it will cut out a lot of spam. Another resource you can look at is: http://www.spamcop.net They will analyze your spam and let you know where it actually came from (and let you know if Orbz would have blocked it...) Good Luck in fighting the good fight! Jon Carnes === > > Greetings, > > Mailman is brilliant (flattery will hopefully get me everywehre) > > > > I run the safe-nz list on behalf of the safety community in New > > Zealand. the list is sponsored by the National Institute for Water and > > Atmospheric Research and was originally configured by the then IT > > manager Wayne Knowles. > > > > Like everyone else, we are getting heaps of SPAM. > > > > Can I set the configuration to automatically reject SPAM and confine > > postings to members? and preferably automatically delete the rubbish? > > > > Nigel > > For particularly spam-sensitive or spam-prone lists, I find > front-ending the list manager with a procmail filter makes good > sense. Procmail is quite flexible, and can discard incoming > mail on much more sophisticated critera than any sane mailing > list software should or perhaps even could touch. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Oct 4 06:52:04 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:52:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] naming a list In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Robbins of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 15:43:49 PDT." <200110032243.PAA06977@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> References: <200110032243.PAA06977@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <5911.1002171124@kanga.nu> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Dave Robbins wrote: > This is the standard convention that I am seeking. I don't > particularly like the listserv convention of '-l' appended to each > mailing list name. Any other suggestions? Thanks. I'm not aware of an standards per se. An "-l" suffix is moderately common, as is an "l" prefix. "-l" derives from the old BITNET lists IIRC. Suffixes of "-misc", "-talk", "-dev"/"-developers", "-users", "-advocacy" etc are also fairly common if unlikely to suit your needs. I'd likely go with the "-l" suffix. Its minimal, easily recognised, and doesn't polute your namespace/cause likely sites of name collisions. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Oct 4 06:54:44 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands In-Reply-To: Message from of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:19:47 PDT." References: Message-ID: <5938.1002171284@kanga.nu> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:19:47 -0700 (PDT) eric-mailman wrote: > Do other MUA's (e.g., Outlook, Netscape, etc.) suport RFC 2369? exmh does (I use it). I understand either mutt does or can be easily persuaded to. Outlook doesn't. I think I heard mention that Mozilla's MUA might/does. Some of the smaller camp Windows MUA seem to (Pegasus?). Its pretty much a crap shoot. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Oct 4 06:56:41 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:56:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: Message from "The Berean" of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:52:40 EDT." References: Message-ID: <5961.1002171401@kanga.nu> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:52:40 -0400 The Berean wrote: > Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? Currently, no. You'll need to use an external index/search service. > If not, would a CGI search script do the job? It might, that really depends on the features needed, the size of your archives, the host system, and other factors. I use MnoGoSearch to search my archives and other pages. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Thu Oct 4 07:10:20 2001 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: <31059.1002126916@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:24:40 -0700 (PDT) > Akop Pogosian wrote: > > > I can't find the option that sets a default name for vhost. Is > > that supposed to be in general options? > > This is set at config time, preserved in ~/Mailman/Config.py and is > updatable/overrideable in ~/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. > I couldn't find a file named Config.py anywhere under Mailman installation directory, versions 2.0.1 and 2.0.6. I also run case insensitive grep on all files in the Mailman directory and I can't find any file with strings "vhost" in it. Adding vhost = 'name' in mm_cfg.yp doesn't seem to help either. -akop From claw at kanga.nu Thu Oct 4 07:16:38 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:16:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: Message from Akop Pogosian of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:10:20 PDT." References: Message-ID: <7285.1002172598@kanga.nu> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Akop Pogosian wrote: > I couldn't find a file named Config.py anywhere under Mailman > installation directory, versions 2.0.1 and 2.0.6. Sorry, ~/Mailman/Defaults.py. Note: read the comments. cf DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and DEFAULT_URL, > I also run case insensitive grep on all files in the Mailman > directory and I can't find any file with strings "vhost" in > it. Adding vhost = 'name' in mm_cfg.yp doesn't seem to help > either. Most of the time you'll want the per-list fields on the first admin page. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Thu Oct 4 07:51:16 2001 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: <7285.1002172598@kanga.nu> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) > Akop Pogosian wrote: > > > I couldn't find a file named Config.py anywhere under Mailman > > installation directory, versions 2.0.1 and 2.0.6. > > Sorry, ~/Mailman/Defaults.py. > > Note: read the comments. > > cf DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and DEFAULT_URL, > DEFAULT_URL is already set correctly. However, like I mentioned previously, changing the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME to match the web server name does not fix the problem, public lists are still not listed. Moreover, DEFAULT_HOST_NAME also becomes part of some addresses like the MAILMAN_OWNER which is set in the following way: MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME -akop From nb at thinkcoach.com Thu Oct 4 10:05:13 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:05:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: <01100322413803.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> (message from Jon Carnes on Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:41:38 -0400) References: <01100322413803.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <200110040805.f9485Dq32767@quill.local> > > Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? > That would be an awesome feature... > The mailman archives are all text based, so they should be easy to search > and index. There's a patch at Sourceforge which adds this functionality. You can try it e.g. at http://dotgnu.org/pipermail/developers/ Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Thu Oct 4 11:26:54 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:26:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004102347.031e53c8@pop.ftel.co.uk> The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search engine with Mailman. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 At 09:52 03/10/2001 -0400, The Berean wrote: >Thanks for the answers to my previous question, they were very much >appreciated. I just have one more: > >Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? I know it can list >and store archives, but I havent seen anything about searching them. If >not, would a CGI search script do the job? If it can, what would be the >best CGI script to use? I have an Entropy search script preinstalled on my >server, but it's designed to searc my entire website, not strictly the >archives. I noticed Python.org has a feature for searching the archives by >Inktomi, but that looks like its going to cost a couple of amputations. >Thanks for any help! > >Frank Pagano (The Berean) >Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org >Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 >ICQ#: 98723297 >AOL Screen Name: Berean333 >Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek >****************************************** >"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a >little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." >--Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01 > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From james at FuturisTech.net Thu Oct 4 14:21:42 2001 From: james at FuturisTech.net (James Watson) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:21:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: ; from eric-mailman@pretorious.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:10:40AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20011004082142.F9254@thunder.int.futuristech.net> On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:10:40AM -0700, eric-mailman at pretorious.net wrote: > Lists set as "public" (i.e., archive_private = 0) aren't appearing in the > listinfo page (though they do appear in the admin page). Is there a cure > for this? This may be a dumb question, but you say the list is public because archive_private=0. I assume archive_private refers to the lists archives, not the advertisement of the list itself. Check the first option on the privacy page, and make sure the list is set to be advertised. Also, did you ever try putting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py? IIRC, setting this to 1 means "only advertise lists whose url matches the current browser's url", and setting it to 0 means "advertise all public lists, regardless of the url". The default value is 1, which bit me because it does a case-sensitive comparison of the list url and the browser url. The end user would only see the advertised lists if they happened to type in the url in the same case as the configured list url. -James -- James Watson Futuristic Technologies, LLC james at FuturisTech.net 716 South Main St. (229) 985 - 7515 Moultrie, GA 31768 www.FuturisTech.net <>< From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU Thu Oct 4 15:17:34 2001 From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 06:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: <20011004082142.F9254@thunder.int.futuristech.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, James Watson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 01:10:40AM -0700, eric-mailman at pretorious.net wrote: > > Lists set as "public" (i.e., archive_private = 0) aren't appearing in the > > listinfo page (though they do appear in the admin page). Is there a cure > > for this? > > This may be a dumb question, but you say the list is public because > archive_private=0. I assume archive_private refers to the lists archives, > not the advertisement of the list itself. Check the first option on the > privacy page, and make sure the list is set to be advertised. > > Also, did you ever try putting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py? > > IIRC, setting this to 1 means "only advertise lists whose url matches the > current browser's url", and setting it to 0 means "advertise all public > lists, regardless of the url". > > The default value is 1, which bit me because it does a case-sensitive > comparison of the list url and the browser url. The end user would only > see the advertised lists if they happened to type in the url in the same > case as the configured list url. Hmm, I added VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 to our mm_cfg.py and it seems to have fixed the problem. I tried playing with the case of the URLs I type in the browser and such and I still could not get the public lists to be listed on the web page without VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0. This is Mailman 2.0.6 by the way. I think we didn't have this problem in 2.0.1. Since I don't care much about virtual host support, this should be a good enough fix. Thanks to all for help. -akop From camel at lrllamas.com Thu Oct 4 15:46:49 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 - no mail distribution to the subscribers Message-ID: <200110041346.f94Dkn902536@camel.lrllamas.com> OK, I have everything installed and "working" RH 7.1.94 (Roswell) Sendmail Apache The web interface works, people can subscribe, get confirmed, get a welcome message, but when mail is sent to the "list address" it just disappears into void.... Any help would be appreciated... JSC From user1 at acosmo.com Thu Oct 4 16:55:30 2001 From: user1 at acosmo.com (Peter Lee) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:55:30 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1a2 bugs In-Reply-To: <200110041346.f94Dkn902536@camel.lrllamas.com> References: <200110041346.f94Dkn902536@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <20011004145530.10673.qmail@mail.acosm.com> (1) Edit html does not work because directory en does not exist: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py", line 119, in main ChangeHTML(mlist, cgidata, template_name, doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py", line 156, in ChangeHTML template_name), 'w') IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/lists/testlist/en/subscribe.html' Need to add something like > # If the directory doesn't exist, create it > ldir=os.path.join(mlist.fullpath(), mlist.preferred_language) > try: > os.stat(ldir) > except os.error, errdata: > errno, errmsg = errdata > if errno != 2: > raise os.error, errdata > else: > os.mkdir(ldir, 02775) [ (2) At the end of Hold.py, lang used before set, need line marked #ADDED if mlist.admin_immed_notify: # Now let's temporarily set the language context to that which the # admin is expecting. otranslation = i18n.get_translation() i18n.set_language(mlist.preferred_language) lang = msgdata.get('lang', mlist.preferred_language) #ADDED try: # We need to regenerate or re-translate a few values in d usersubject = msg.get('subject', _('(no subject)')) d['reason'] = _(reason) (3) List info page to User Options page does not work Need this line in listinfo.py replacements[''] = mlist.FormatFormStart('options') and in options.py need a section like below def main(): doc = Document() doc.set_language(mm_cfg.DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE) cgidata = cgi.FieldStorage() parts = Utils.GetPathPieces() #ADDED if not parts or len(parts) < 2: if not cgidata.has_key("info"): doc.AddItem(Header(2, "Error")) doc.AddItem(Bold("You must supply your email address.")) doc.AddItem(MailmanLogo()) print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff") return parts.append(cgidata['info'].value) if not parts or len(parts) < 2: (4) Several template files marked version 2.0 need to be updated. I did a few of them, but forgot what I did. If you need them, I will take sometime to dig out futher info. Sincerely, Peter ================================================ >>>>>>>> Visit http://www.acosmo.com <<<<<<<<< From claw at kanga.nu Thu Oct 4 17:28:29 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public lists not advertised? In-Reply-To: Message from Akop Pogosian of "Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:51:16 PDT." References: Message-ID: <15026.1002209309@kanga.nu> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Akop Pogosian wrote: > However, like I mentioned previously, changing the > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME to match the web server name does not fix the > problem, public lists are still not listed. Moreover, > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME also becomes part of some addresses like the > MAILMAN_OWNER which is set in the following way: Of course. Those values are used as seeds for the values in each list's config.db, To handle already created lists you have to edit the matching values on the first page of the admin pages. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Oct 4 17:29:53 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:29:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 - no mail distribution to the subscribers In-Reply-To: Message from Camel of "Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:46:49 EDT." <200110041346.f94Dkn902536@camel.lrllamas.com> References: <200110041346.f94Dkn902536@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <15091.1002209393@kanga.nu> On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:46:49 -0400 camel wrote: > The web interface works, people can subscribe, get confirmed, get > a welcome message, but when mail is sent to the "list address" it > just disappears into void.... Any help would be appreciated... Check you MTA logs. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From alex at phred.org Thu Oct 4 17:41:22 2001 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20011004083755.C68814-100000@phred.org> On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, The Berean wrote: > Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? No, you need to use another product. I rolled my own solution using Windows 2000 Index Server. I haven't tried to bundle this up because I don't know of any other Mailman sites which use Windows 2000 to the degree that I do, but if there is interest I could put something together. You can see how it works at http://search.bikelist.org. The search engine picks up new messages within seconds, instead of using a nightly index update like other solutions. No, it doesn't use the IDQ.DLL which has the whole exploited by Code Red and Nimda. alex From jim at ebizq.net Thu Oct 4 17:46:56 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handle announce lists? Message-ID: <009601c14ceb$d1e11820$6e01a8c0@jim> My recent problems and the response from certain people leads me to believe that Mailman can't handle large numbers of errors coming back to it. That's not a shot by any means (hell most of what I wrote can't handle any errors!). And it is probably is a problem with my mailman configuration (setting Reply-To to "/dev/null" here I come), but I'm concerned. Currently my lists are frozen solid, and I'm at a crossroads. I can't have mailman get plugged up like a public restroom every time it gets mountains of junk. We all know how easy it is to get mountains of junk, and I would like to hear any suggestions that might prevent me from manually spoon feeding files into ~/qfiles. it's gottent to the point where they aren't getting processed by qrunner at all (it is still being croned), and that directory get hopelessly crowded in a matter of minutes... What is a good setup to prevent this? Is it just my system? (Sendmail 8.9.3 - switching to Postfix next week, Mailman 2.0.6, Python 1.5, RedHat 6.2, tons of RAM, PIII, RAID5 SCSI). Thanks -jim From arandall at auntminnie.com Thu Oct 4 18:12:15 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:12:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commands References: <5938.1002171284@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <3BBC8A5F.AB211B3D@auntminnie.com> J C Lawrence wrote: > > Do other MUA's (e.g., Outlook, Netscape, etc.) suport RFC 2369? > > ... Outlook doesn't. ... ::snort:: Does Outlook do *anything* useful? =) Amanda From mailman at vo.cnchost.com Thu Oct 4 18:32:01 2001 From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:32:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News group transfers... In-Reply-To: <3BBB008B.1204.332BF9D@localhost> References: <00ee01c14c2b$14071e00$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011004093027.02d19100@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> On 11:11 AM 10/3/01, Mike Avery wrote: >I'm playing with using mailman to move some of my >favorite news groups into mailing lists, and have run into >a snag. > >What I'd like to do is have everything from the >newsgroup make it to the mailing list, but only let >subscribers to the mailing list send mail to the mailing >list and then on to the news group. > >Can I do this? At present, I've opened the mailing list >so anyone can post to it, and I REALLY don't like doing >that... Why? Anyone can post *directly* to the newsgroup and reach your mailing list subscribers anyway. At least your mail-to-news gateway only allows the reader to post to one newsgroup (at a time). jc (posted and emailed) From mailman at vo.cnchost.com Thu Oct 4 18:40:22 2001 From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:40:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove_members by other users In-Reply-To: <3BB961DF.F9404009@medecine.unige.ch> References: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011004093815.02c406b0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> On 11:42 PM 10/1/01, Alain Chappuis wrote: >> There is a binary called "remove_members" in ~mailman/bin/... it can >> remove anyone from any list. Of course you need telnet or ssh access to >> the server to use it. If you need to make this possible via the web, then >> you will need to do some writing (or selective deleting). > >Yes I know, but if the distribution list is ownered by a little >secretary of my office I doubt that she knows Un*x... Is there some special reason "anyone" needs to be able to remove users? Is there some special reason "the little secretary" can't just use the admin web interface to remove users when needed? It's pretty straight forward, anyone can use it with a few minute's training. jc From camel at lrllamas.com Thu Oct 4 20:35:03 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:35:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re-asking the question on MM 2.0.6 et al Message-ID: <200110041835.f94IZ4904809@camel.lrllamas.com> OK, my list isn't that big yet, and can be scrapped, and re-installed. I'm trying to move a 300 member Listserv list to my own server using Mailman. Now, Being RH 7.1, there is no "/home/www/..." any more, it's all in "/var/www/....". When I installed 2.0.6 "admin" did not xfer to the mailman dir under /var/www/mailman/ so I copied it there and things started "working" (or so I thought). I thought I followed the installation readme to the letter, including the arcane command descriptions, GID's and the "mailman" user, and group. I had to chmod a couple of dirs, passed the check_perms test, and could see all of the things you would expect to see, subs, confirms, etc. going out to subscribers. the Aliases, and ScriptAlias settings are OK in sendmail.conf, and the alias file, and I assume, that the list mail address (the dist. address) is mylist at myserver.com, RIGHT? It's not something stupid like mailman at myserver.com ??? Does the specific address mylist at myserver.com have to be added somewhere else along with "mailman" as a user/group/email recipient?? Does someone have an easier-to-follow or specific example based install readme or a list of "gotchas" like installing mailman under root instead of some other user (like mailman) The MTA (maillog/sendmail logs) don't tell me much - I see "sent" - 2.0.0 for the sent items - but they never show up at the other subscribers mailboxes... I'm flummoxed. JSC From jim at ebizq.net Thu Oct 4 21:16:21 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apologies Message-ID: <01c101c14d09$0d54f300$6e01a8c0@jim> I certainly have egg on my face. The most obvious solution is always the answer. The solution to my earlier problems was quite simply this and nothing more: my cron daemon died. That's why qrunner wasn't starting, and that's why messages were flooding my Mailman queue... Doh. I thank everyone for all their help and support. -jim Webmaster eBizQ http://www.ebizq.net From jobrooks at us.dhl.com Thu Oct 4 21:29:03 2001 From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:29:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004102347.031e53c8@pop.ftel.co.uk> Message-ID: <3BBCB87F.913D55CB@us.dhl.com> For searching, I personally use the list archives found at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ rather than the one at python.org. The searches are fast, and there are actually several technical lists there that I read/search (bind, dhcp). It's all database driven...probably a lot more than you'd want to take on for a site unless you've got thousands of lists like they do, but it is an alternative for someone adventurous :) jo Richard Barrett wrote: > > The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search > engine with Mailman. > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 > > At 09:52 03/10/2001 -0400, The Berean wrote: > > >Thanks for the answers to my previous question, they were very much > >appreciated. I just have one more: > > > >Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? I know it can list > >and store archives, but I havent seen anything about searching them. If > >not, would a CGI search script do the job? If it can, what would be the > >best CGI script to use? I have an Entropy search script preinstalled on my > >server, but it's designed to searc my entire website, not strictly the > >archives. I noticed Python.org has a feature for searching the archives by > >Inktomi, but that looks like its going to cost a couple of amputations. > >Thanks for any help! > > > >Frank Pagano (The Berean) > >Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org > >Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 > >ICQ#: 98723297 > >AOL Screen Name: Berean333 > >Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek > >****************************************** > >"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a > >little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > >--Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01 > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From gward at mems-exchange.org Thu Oct 4 21:38:10 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:38:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apologies In-Reply-To: <01c101c14d09$0d54f300$6e01a8c0@jim> References: <01c101c14d09$0d54f300$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <20011004153810.B4889@mems-exchange.org> On 04 October 2001, Jim Kutter said: > I certainly have egg on my face. The most obvious solution is always > the answer. The solution to my earlier problems was quite simply this > and nothing more: my cron daemon died. That's why qrunner wasn't > starting, and that's why messages were flooding my Mailman > queue... Doh. You're not using Solaris, are you? We used to use Solaris 2.6 for our main web server, and every so often the cron daemon would just die. That screwed up a lot of things, including Mailman. I think that syslogd also died occasionally. More quality bug-ware from Sun... Greg (We have been much happier since we switched to Linux for our main web and email server.) From grunert-wolfsburg at t-online.de Thu Oct 4 21:42:45 2001 From: grunert-wolfsburg at t-online.de (HERBERT GRUNERT) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:42:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe Message-ID: <006501c14d0c$bdb50cf0$c596fea9@prospekt76h92d> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've found Solaris 7 and 8 to be very reliable (and they feel very similar to Linux setups too), but that was at another organization where I had the luxury to build and configure the Solaris machines myself. -jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Ward" To: "Jim Kutter" Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Apologies > On 04 October 2001, Jim Kutter said: > > I certainly have egg on my face. The most obvious solution is always > > the answer. The solution to my earlier problems was quite simply this > > and nothing more: my cron daemon died. That's why qrunner wasn't > > starting, and that's why messages were flooding my Mailman > > queue... Doh. > > You're not using Solaris, are you? We used to use Solaris 2.6 for our > main web server, and every so often the cron daemon would just die. > That screwed up a lot of things, including Mailman. > > I think that syslogd also died occasionally. > > More quality bug-ware from Sun... > > Greg > > (We have been much happier since we switched to Linux for our main web > and email server.) From stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com Thu Oct 4 16:57:48 2001 From: stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com (stormlrd) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:57:48 +1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing domain name on the admin email for newlist creation. Message-ID: <01100502574801.01259@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com> Hi, My log output shows : Oct 05 02:47:40 2001 (1730) All recipients refused: (501, ': domain missing or malformed', 'work-admin@') Oct 05 02:47:40 2001 (1730) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.009 seconds And I do not receive this admin email that is mentioned in the INSTALL doc after I've run the "bin/newlist work" command. I'm running redhat 6.1, exim-3.22 + exim-qpopper-mysql-0.11.2 + mailman-2.0.6. Any ideas? :) Kind Regards, Paul Dunlop From stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com Thu Oct 4 18:03:51 2001 From: stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com (stormlrd) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 04:03:51 +1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Issue Message-ID: <0110050403510A.01259@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com> Hi, Still using exim-3.22 exim-qpopper-mysql-0.11.2 mailman-2.0.6 env. Am now getting the admin email upon creating a new list. I can subscribe ok.. but when sending to the request alias I get this in my log : 2001-10-05 03:43:19 15pAed-0000jY-00 == |/path/to/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd goddamnit at domain.com D=virtual_aliases defer (-31): pipe_transport unset in virtual_aliases driver2 Does this mean the exim-qpopper-mysql-0.11.2 "driver" does not support the ability to "pipe" like this? or just that I need to sort out my transports and add a new pipe trans_port ??? Cheers , Paul. From Rich.West at divatv.com Thu Oct 4 18:03:38 2001 From: Rich.West at divatv.com (Rich West) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:03:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail 8.12.1 + MailMan Message-ID: <3BBC885A.4070902@divatv.com> This is going to sound stupid, but, with Sendmail's new MSP configuration, I have been unable to get sendmail + MailMan to work properly. I feel like I am in a catch-22 here: o Configure Defaults.py to use SMTPDirect, and sendmail starts seeing email from list (outgoing to queue members) as being 'from' the list member, and, hence, sendmail denies it because it looks like spam (aka: the sender is not a local user) o Configure Defaults.py to use Sendmail, although non-secure, it worked under 8.11.x without any hitches. Now, using the MSP aspect of the latest sendmail, I get: sendmail[13379]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(mailman): can not write to queue directory /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=0, required=26): Permission denied Ack.. this should be easy.. I've been handling sendmail for nearly 9 years, and it seems like I am just missing something obvious here.. :) Obviously, I would like to use SMTPDirect over 'Sendmail', so.. how can I get that to behave properly? Any pointers or help would be MUCH appreciated.. My forehead is beginning to hurt from banging it into the desk. I'm not on the mailing list yet, so please send replies directly to me and CC the list.. Thanks! -Rich -- Richard West mailto:richard.west at divatv.com Sr. Systems Administrator Diva - Princeton, NJ http://www.divatv.com From stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com Thu Oct 4 19:57:30 2001 From: stormlrd at bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com (stormlrd) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 05:57:30 +1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper issues.. Message-ID: <0110050557300T.01259@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com> Hi, Logfile : " ** goddamnit-request at majestic-quartz.com D=list_request_director T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper " I do not know what "returned 2" means... therefore no idea on how to fix... I'm using exim + mailman... files are chown & chgrp'd as the uid of the exim conf file parameters MAILMAN_UID & MAILMAIN_GID. no aliases are in the /etc/aliases file bar the mailman: and mailman-admin: global ones.. cannot think of a reason why this would fail... any pointers appreciated.. Cheers, Paul Dunlop From 7ravensongs at home.com Thu Oct 4 20:29:38 2001 From: 7ravensongs at home.com (Linda M. Oakes) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:29:38 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question Message-ID: Hi, there . . . I'm a desktop publisher / website creator with little programming experience, using Windows 98. I am also a founder - director of a worker co-operative. I want to set up a non-commercial discussion list for co-ops worldwide. We are currently using a distribution list set up on my service provider, but it doesn't allow for archiving, or for people to subscribe / unsubscribe themselves. I've been looking on the 'net, but the freeware I've found seems to be mostly written for Unix or some other O/S, and requires more programming ability than I have. I was looking at Mailman because it mentioned being usable via a website page, and I have my own site, where it would be easy to add a page, but I think Mailman is too techie for me (and I work in Windows) and am wondering if you know of freeware software that would suit me. Thanks for at least considering this. If it would take too much time to answer, please just reply with a note to that effect. Co-operatively, Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011004/80269741/attachment.htm From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 00:09:20 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apologies Message-ID: <200110042208.PAA19843@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > You're not using Solaris, are you? We used to use Solaris 2.6 for our > main web server, and every so often the cron daemon would just die. > That screwed up a lot of things, including Mailman. > > I think that syslogd also died occasionally. > > More quality bug-ware from Sun... > > Greg > > (We have been much happier since we switched to Linux for our main web > and email server.) In defense: I've seen *many* more problems with crond mysteriously dying from RedHat users on this list than from Solaris users. And I use Solaris exclusively with mailman and cron, and have for over three years now, and I can't remember a single time when crond has died for me. From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 00:10:10 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper issues.. Message-ID: <200110042209.PAA19860@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > Hi, > > Logfile : > " ** goddamnit-request at majestic-quartz.com D=list_request_director > T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport transport > returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper " There's almost certainly a corresponding error in ~mailman/logs/error From csordas at tiszanet.hu Fri Oct 5 01:06:48 2001 From: csordas at tiszanet.hu (Csordas) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 01:06:48 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <004201c14d29$3f63fd80$01000001@linux> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011005/a341b850/attachment.html From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Oct 5 03:57:03 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:57:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01100421570301.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> > I've been looking on the 'net, but the freeware I've found seems to be > mostly written for Unix or some other O/S, and requires more programming > ability than I have. I was looking at Mailman because it mentioned being > usable via a website page, and I have my own site, where it would be easy > to add a page, but I think Mailman is too techie for me (and I work in > Windows) and am wondering if you know of freeware software that would > suit me. > If you want to avoid the technical challange of running a mailing list, you should try one of the free ones available via the net. Most of them have their own subscribe/unsubscribe setups via the web, and also have some form of archiving. One example is: http://groups.yahoo.com/ Enjoy. Jon Carnes From gward at mems-exchange.org Fri Oct 5 03:58:58 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:58:58 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper issues.. In-Reply-To: <0110050557300T.01259@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com> References: <0110050557300T.01259@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com> Message-ID: <20011004215858.A6587@mems-exchange.org> On 05 October 2001, stormlrd said: > Hi, > > Logfile : > " ** goddamnit-request at majestic-quartz.com D=list_request_director > T=list_request_transport: Child process of list_request_transport transport > returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper " > > I do not know what "returned 2" means... therefore no idea on how to fix... That's an oddity of Exim's error message. It means "terminated with exit status 2". Check your Mailman logs. Greg From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Oct 5 04:16:03 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing domain name on the admin email for newlist creation. In-Reply-To: <01100502574801.01259@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com> References: <01100502574801.01259@bdbdev.bdbbusinessbuilder.com> Message-ID: <01100422160302.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> > Oct 05 02:47:40 2001 (1730) All recipients refused: (501, ': > domain missing or malformed', 'work-admin@') > Oct 05 02:47:40 2001 (1730) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.009 seconds > > And I do not receive this admin email that is mentioned in the INSTALL > doc after I've run the "bin/newlist work" command. > > I'm running redhat 6.1, exim-3.22 + exim-qpopper-mysql-0.11.2 + > mailman-2.0.6. > > Any ideas? :) > > Kind Regards, > Paul Dunlop > Could it be a space where no space should be? such as " bdbdev" as opposed to "bdbdev". We had a note about that last week. Took the guy quite a bit to figure it out. From lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com Fri Oct 5 04:55:17 2001 From: lhansfor at creativedatasolns.com (Larry Hansford) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:55:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: a question In-Reply-To: <01100421570301.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004225118.0208d7d0@64.65.196.198> At 09:57 PM 10/4/2001, you wrote: > > I've been looking on the 'net, but the freeware I've found seems to be > > mostly written for Unix or some other O/S, and requires more programming > > ability than I have. I was looking at Mailman because it mentioned being > > usable via a website page, and I have my own site, where it would be easy > > to add a page, but I think Mailman is too techie for me (and I work in > > Windows) and am wondering if you know of freeware software that would > > suit me. > > >If you want to avoid the technical challange of running a mailing list, you >should try one of the free ones available via the net. Most of them have >their own subscribe/unsubscribe setups via the web, and also have some form >of archiving. One example is: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/ > >Enjoy. > >Jon Carnes But be aware of the increasing amount of advertisements -- pop ups, embedded html and pictures, etc., that the "Free" providers are using. Someone's gotta pay for the service, after all... I just changed from using a service at groups.yahoo.com to using an in-house Linux server and Mailman because of their incessant advertisements with every message and every Web page visit. Larry From jonc at nc.rr.com Fri Oct 5 05:59:00 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:59:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail 8.12.1 + MailMan In-Reply-To: <3BBC885A.4070902@divatv.com> References: <3BBC885A.4070902@divatv.com> Message-ID: <01100423590104.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> On Thursday 04 October 2001 12:03, Rich West wrote: > This is going to sound stupid, but, with Sendmail's new MSP > configuration, I have been unable to get sendmail + MailMan to work > properly. I feel like I am in a catch-22 here: o Configure Defaults.py > to use SMTPDirect, and sendmail starts seeing email from list (outgoing > to queue members) as being 'from' the list member, and, hence, sendmail > denies it because it looks like spam (aka: the sender is not a local > user) o Configure Defaults.py to use Sendmail, although non-secure, it > worked under 8.11.x without any hitches. Now, using the MSP aspect of > the latest sendmail, I get: > I haven't up to the grade of 8.12 yet, but I hear folks are having a great time and I should step up soon... Have you looked at playing with the /etc/mail/access file to allow relaying for your Mailman install? In the past that has allowed folks to open up relaying for a their installs. Good Luck - Jon Carnes From john at nisus.com Fri Oct 5 07:31:19 2001 From: john at nisus.com (Giovanni 8) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:31:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing on OS X Message-ID: <34341C26-B952-11D5-B156-003065A5E822@nisus.com> I'm trying to install on OS X (10.1) and am getting a complaint about python not existing... but... ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents --exec- prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents/bin --with-var- prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents/mutable --with- python=/usr/local/bin/python.exe Compiling /Users/mailman/Documents/Mailman/versions.py ... env: python: No such file or directory [gosc:~/Documents/sources/mailman-2.0.6] mailman% % ls -l /usr/local/bin total 3912 -rwxr-xr-x 1 aaa wheel 48 Mar 1 2001 pydoc -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python.exe -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python2.1.exe I tried the bin/check_perms -f a couple times but it just repeated the complaint. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you grab a Windows install package? joe On Friday, October 5, 2001, at 01:31 AM, Giovanni 8 wrote: > I'm trying to install on OS X (10.1) and am getting > a complaint about python not existing... but... > > ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents --exec- > prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents/bin --with-var- > prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents/mutable --with- > python=/usr/local/bin/python.exe > > > Compiling /Users/mailman/Documents/Mailman/versions.py ... > env: python: No such file or directory > [gosc:~/Documents/sources/mailman-2.0.6] mailman% % ls -l /usr/local/bin > total 3912 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 aaa wheel 48 Mar 1 2001 pydoc > -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python.exe > -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python2.1.exe > > I tried the bin/check_perms -f > a couple times but it just repeated the complaint. From gward at mems-exchange.org Fri Oct 5 14:56:35 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 08:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing on OS X In-Reply-To: <34341C26-B952-11D5-B156-003065A5E822@nisus.com> References: <34341C26-B952-11D5-B156-003065A5E822@nisus.com> Message-ID: <20011005085635.A773@mems-exchange.org> On 04 October 2001, Giovanni 8 said: > Compiling /Users/mailman/Documents/Mailman/versions.py ... > env: python: No such file or directory Some Python script is using the "#!/usr/bin/env python" hack, a common trick. For it to work, you must have a binary called "python" on your path. > [gosc:~/Documents/sources/mailman-2.0.6] mailman% % ls -l > /usr/local/bin > total 3912 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 aaa wheel 48 Mar 1 2001 pydoc > -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python.exe > -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python2.1.exe "python.exe" != "python". Are you sure that's a Mac OS X executable? You should probably rename it to "python" if so. Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From atropos at fates.org Fri Oct 5 16:29:52 2001 From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:29:52 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing on OS X In-Reply-To: <34341C26-B952-11D5-B156-003065A5E822@nisus.com> References: <34341C26-B952-11D5-B156-003065A5E822@nisus.com> Message-ID: <10715504.1002277792@mrspeel.fates.org> On Thursday, 4 October 2001 22:31 -0700 Giovanni 8 wrote: > I'm trying to install on OS X (10.1) and am getting > a complaint about python not existing... but... OS X doesn't ship with python by default. Go here to download it: alternately, if you have a large bottle of painkillers at hand, you can use the Fink project's method: You *don't* want the MacOS package from MacPython, as that only applies to Classic MacOS. Configuring and installing python 2.1.1 is quite simple, but you will need the Developer Tools to do so. If you don't have the 10.1 CD, go to the Apple Developer Connection to get them (you will need to create a free account if you do not already have one): Once you log in, go to the Downloads > MacOS X section to obtain the Tools (187 MB). With 10.1, Apple seems to have squashed the POST bug in prior Apache releases, so Mailman 2.0.6 seems pretty stable. If you are trying to install on OS X Server 10.1, you will need to use an MTA other than AppleMailServer--I strongly recommend Postfix, which is not too difficult to use in its place. -- David B. O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org - www.fates.org Help rescue cats in need: Fancy Cats Rescue Team, www.fancycats.org From sandra at ccuec.unicamp.br Fri Oct 5 17:55:56 2001 From: sandra at ccuec.unicamp.br (Sandra) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:55:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wrapper post function Message-ID: <3BBDD80C.2E98CA93@ccuec.unicamp.br> Hello! I have mailman installed on my system, that has postfix installed as a MTA. I have two postfix configurations running on my system, one that gets mail from internet and run AMAVIS, an anti-virus and another configuration that treats local mails. Even when a send a local mail to a local list, Mailman gets the message and put it in the queue to run the anti-virus, as it is coming from INTERNET. Does anyone know how I tell to the wrapper program to post to the local queue...? Thanks a lot. From Rich.West at divatv.com Fri Oct 5 17:30:24 2001 From: Rich.West at divatv.com (Rich West) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 11:30:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail 8.12.1 + MailMan References: <3BBC885A.4070902@divatv.com> <01100423590104.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3BBDD210.2030200@divatv.com> Actually, I use /etc/mail/access rather heavily (see http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/spaminator as a rudimentary example to how much I use it.), and, although I tinkered around with it to get Mailman to work via SMTPDirect, it seemed to constantly ignore whatever I put in there regarding Mailman. It is almost as if Mailman were re-writing the headers in such a way as to fool Sendmail into checking the _recipient_ of the email to see if they can relay through us.. Enough so as to make my brain hurt thinking about it. I would be interested to see what others have done in their access file or sendmail config to make everything behave.. Oh, and, yes, Sendmail 8.12.x looks like a fantastic upgrade. I have been running it on a development machine for a week and a half now (upgrading to 8.12.1 only last night) and the additional feature/configuration options regarding running under a separate user (other than root), and the differentiation between processes that handle the receiving of mail and the delivering of mail certainly adds to the security of the system. :-) Thanks! -Rich Jon Carnes wrote: >On Thursday 04 October 2001 12:03, Rich West wrote: > >>This is going to sound stupid, but, with Sendmail's new MSP >>configuration, I have been unable to get sendmail + MailMan to work >>properly. I feel like I am in a catch-22 here: o Configure Defaults.py >>to use SMTPDirect, and sendmail starts seeing email from list (outgoing >>to queue members) as being 'from' the list member, and, hence, sendmail >>denies it because it looks like spam (aka: the sender is not a local >>user) o Configure Defaults.py to use Sendmail, although non-secure, it >>worked under 8.11.x without any hitches. Now, using the MSP aspect of >>the latest sendmail, I get: >> >I haven't up to the grade of 8.12 yet, but I hear folks are having a great >time and I should step up soon... Have you looked at playing with the >/etc/mail/access file to allow relaying for your Mailman install? In the >past that has allowed folks to open up relaying for a their installs. > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes > -- -- Richard West mailto:richard.west at divatv.com Sr. Systems Administrator Diva - Princeton, NJ http://www.divatv.com From denis at imsltd.com Fri Oct 5 18:14:42 2001 From: denis at imsltd.com (Denis Croombs) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:14:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman using REDHAT Powertools RPM Message-ID: <035801c14db8$d85eb090$381bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com> Hi I have installed Mailman from the Powertools CD, it installed OK, but I can find no documentation or man entry to tell me what to do next, has anyone installed it that way and if so what do I do next. I can find plenty of data if I install it from a tarball but not from rpm. Many thanks Denis Croombs From mailman at vo.cnchost.com Fri Oct 5 18:38:28 2001 From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 09:38:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wrapper post function In-Reply-To: <3BBDD80C.2E98CA93@ccuec.unicamp.br> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011005093232.031bb3a0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com> On 08:55 AM 10/5/01, Sandra wrote: >Hello! > > I have mailman installed on my system, that has postfix installed as >a MTA. > I have two postfix configurations running on my system, one that gets >mail from internet >and run AMAVIS, an anti-virus and another configuration that treats local mails. Why two postfix configurations in the first place? Is there some reason that it is good to stop viruses from coming in, but not good to stop them from going out? jc (Who is appalled at the lack of *outbound* virus scanning, especially given the crappy status of many inbound scans that give false positives, which can cause big problems for a list manager who runs a list that merely discusses email viruses. I believe you should subject your internal users to your anti-virus filter effects *before* you subject outsiders who are emailing in.) p.s. Please fix your line length. > Even when a send a local mail to a local list, Mailman gets the >message and put it >in the queue to run the anti-virus, as it is coming from INTERNET. > Does anyone know how I tell to the wrapper program to post to the >local queue...? From Rich.West at divatv.com Fri Oct 5 19:02:51 2001 From: Rich.West at divatv.com (Rich West) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:02:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman using REDHAT Powertools RPM References: <035801c14db8$d85eb090$381bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com> Message-ID: <3BBDE7BB.8030801@divatv.com> The docs usually get stored in /usr/share/doc/mailman-.. But, besides that, you really just have to know where the installation is.. It should be installed in /var/mailman if you used the RPM, and the directory tree is essentially the same from there on out. I believe if you do a "rpm -qi mailman" there will be instructions as to what to do next. For example: #> rpm -qi mailman Name : mailman Relocations: (not relocateable) Version : 2.0.6 Vendor: (none) Release : 1 Build Date: Fri 31 Aug 2001 03:06:19 PM EDT Install date: Fri 31 Aug 2001 03:06:42 PM EDT Build Host: lobe Group : Applications/Internet Source RPM: mailman-2.0.6-1.src.rpm Size : 2123729 License: GPL URL : http://www.list.org/ Summary : Mailing list manager with built in web access. Description : Mailman is software to help manage email discussion lists, much like Majordomo and Smartmail. Unlike most similar products, Mailman gives each mailing list a web page, and allows users to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. over the web. Even the list manager can administer his or her list entirely from the web. Mailman also integrates most things people want to do with mailing lists, including archiving, mail <-> news gateways, and so on. When the package has finished installing, you will need to: * Run /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass to set the mailman administrator password. * Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to customize mailman's configuration for your site. * Modify the sendmail configuration to ensure that it is running and accepting connections from the outside world (to ensure that it runs, set "DAEMON=yes" in /etc/sysconfig/sendmail, ensuring that it accepts connections from the outside world may require modifying /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and regenerating sendmail.cf), and * Add these lines: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ Options +FollowSymlinks to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf to configure your web server. Users upgrading from previous releases of this package may need to move their data or adjust the configuration files to point to the locations where their data is. Denis Croombs wrote: >Hi I have installed Mailman from the Powertools CD, it installed OK, but I >can find no documentation or man entry to tell me what to do next, has >anyone installed it that way and if so what do I do next. >I can find plenty of data if I install it from a tarball but not from rpm. > >Many thanks > >Denis Croombs > -- Richard West mailto:richard.west at divatv.com Sr. Systems Administrator Diva - Princeton, NJ http://www.divatv.com From Rich.West at divatv.com Fri Oct 5 19:35:13 2001 From: Rich.West at divatv.com (Rich West) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:35:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman using REDHAT Powertools RPM References: <035801c14db8$d85eb090$381bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com> <3BBDE7BB.8030801@divatv.com> <3BBDEC50.9FC5E107@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <3BBDEF51.5020107@divatv.com> Just to get ahead of the game, I didn't write it. :) >And this doesn't mention crontabs? > I think they just included the core things to get it up and running.... >Does the RPM install really do the right thing? How can it know if >I want news gatewaying or not?... > Just to clarify: my understanding is that the primary purpose of an RPM is to simply install the package and keep track of all of the files associated to the package (plus other organizational things too, as well as other aspects that are off-topic) . The Admin is still left to configure it via /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, check out the docs at www.lists.org, check mailing lists, etc, etc. (essentially, the admin has to educate themselves about the app) It certainly is not 100% automated (gawd, I hope not. :).. -Rich -- Richard West mailto:richard.west at divatv.com Sr. Systems Administrator Diva - Princeton, NJ http://www.divatv.com From john at nisus.com Fri Oct 5 21:40:00 2001 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:40:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing on OS X Message-ID: I'm trying to install on OS X (10.1) and am getting a complaint about python not existing... but... ./configure --prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents --exec- prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents/bin --with-var- prefix=/Users/mailman/Documents/mutable --with- python=/usr/local/bin/python.exe Compiling /Users/mailman/Documents/Mailman/versions.py ... env: python: No such file or directory [gosc:~/Documents/sources/mailman-2.0.6] mailman% % ls -l /usr/local/bin total 3912 -rwxr-xr-x 1 aaa wheel 48 Mar 1 2001 pydoc -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python.exe -rwxr-xr-x 2 aaa wheel 996596 Oct 4 15:32 python2.1.exe I tried the bin/check_perms -f a couple times but it just repeated the complaint. --Apple-Mail-1-330359043 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to install on OS X (10.1) and am getting a complaint about python not existing... but... John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 23:02:41 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman using REDHAT Powertools RPM Message-ID: <200110052102.OAA05351@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > Just to get ahead of the game, I didn't write it. :) Didn't say you did. > >And this doesn't mention crontabs? > > > > I think they just included the core things to get it up and running.... but you have to have cron running to get Mailman up and running, that's the point. It's required for installation. > >Does the RPM install really do the right thing? How can it know if > >I want news gatewaying or not?... > > > > Just to clarify: my understanding is that the primary purpose of an RPM > is to simply install the package and keep track of all of the files > associated to the package (plus other organizational things too, as well > as other aspects that are off-topic) . The Admin is still left to > configure it via /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, check out the docs at > www.lists.org, check mailing lists, etc, etc. (essentially, the admin > has to educate themselves about the app) It certainly is not 100% > automated (gawd, I hope not. :).. Regardless, if it presents a checklist of "things you have to do other than the RPM installation", clearly that checklist needs to include "set up cron for Mailman", as Mailman will be a brick without it. From adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu Sat Oct 6 04:12:44 2001 From: adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu (Adam Gintis) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:12:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms after RPM installation Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011005211236.028525e0@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu> Hello. I installed Mailman on a RH7.1 box with the RPM from Rawhide (Mailman version 2.0.6). When I run check_perms, I'm getting the following error: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ? MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation Any ideas? The lists seem to work fine, I just thought I ought to figure out why this is happening. ------------------------------- Adam Gintis Vanderbilt University From Rich.West at wesmo.com Fri Oct 5 03:50:39 2001 From: Rich.West at wesmo.com (Rich West) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:50:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail 8.12.1 + Mailman 2.0.6 Message-ID: <3BBD11EF.6050900@wesmo.com> I posted recently about my troubles with getting sendmail 8.12.1 and Mailman 2.0.6 to work happily, and, surprisingly, I have managed to make some progress. Right now, the two are working happily together, BUT, mail to any of the lists keeps looping for ever and ever. I watched the qfile directory and watched as the number of files in the directory grew exponentially. I had to remove the files by hand for it to stop.. Initially I thought it might be a permission problem within the qfiles directory, but that just wasn't the case.. it turns out that Mailman's "sendmail" delivery method (defined within Defaults.py) no longer works under Sendmail 8.12.x. Because of changes with Sendmail 8.12.x, it now behaves almost exactly as if I defined "SMTPDirect". So, I figured I would pose the question: How do I get Mailman to work with SMTPDirect and Sendmail? I'm not sure if it is a config problem within sendmail (not relaying the email sent from localhost or something) or a problem with Mailman. I suspect the latter because other apps, like Request Tracker (which uses the same delivery method as Mailman's "sendmail") seem to work properly... Just an FYI, but Sendmail + MailMan (using "sendmail" delivery mode) does work for Sendmail 8.11.6. Sendmail + Mailman (using either delivery mode) does NOT work for Sendmail 8.12.1. I backed down to 8.11.6 for now, but I would love to get the two problems (SMTPDirect and Sendmail 8.12.x) cleared up.. Any help/direction would be much appreciated. Thanks! -Rich An excerpt from the sendmail log shows: Oct 4 21:12:44 cranium sm-mta[30876]: f951Chtw030875: to="|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30270, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Oct 4 21:13:01 cranium sendmail[30885]: f951D1pI030885: Authentication-Warning: cranium.wesmo.com: mailman set sender to test-admin at mail.wesmo.com using -f Oct 4 21:13:01 cranium sendmail[30885]: f951D1pI030885: from=test-admin at mail.wesmo.com, size=383, class=-60, nrcpts=3, msgid=<3BBD090B.8020706 at wesmo.com>, relay=mailman at localhost Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sm-mta[30886]: STARTTLS=server, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1], version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=NO, cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA, bits=168/168 Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sendmail[30885]: STARTTLS=client, relay=localhost, version=TLSv1/SSLv3, verify=FAIL, cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA, bits=168/168 Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sm-mta[30886]: f951D1tx030886: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied. Proper authentication required. Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sendmail[30885]: f951D1pI030885: to=Rich.West at divatv.com, ctladdr=test-admin at mail.wesmo.com (41/41), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=199170, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], dsn=5.7.1, stat=User unknown Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sm-mta[30886]: f951D1tx030886: from=, size=383, class=-60, nrcpts=1, msgid=<3BBD090B.8020706 at wesmo.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sendmail[30885]: f951D1pI030885: to=Rich.West at wesmo.com,rwest at wesmo.com, ctladdr=test-admin at mail.wesmo.com (41/41), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=relay, pri=199170, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (f951D1tx030886 Message accepted for delivery) Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sendmail[30885]: f951D1pI030885: f951D1pJ030885: DSN: User unknown Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sm-mta[30888]: f951D1tx030886: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=138411, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sm-mta[30886]: f951D1u1030886: from=<>, size=2629, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200110050113.f951D1pJ030885 at cranium.wesmo.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1] Oct 4 21:13:02 cranium sendmail[30885]: f951D1pJ030885: to=test-admin at mail.wesmo.com, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30100, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (f951D1u1030886 Message accepted for delivery) -- Richard West mailto:rwest at wesmo.com Got TV? 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From dan.mick at west.sun.com Fri Oct 5 19:22:24 2001 From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:22:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman using REDHAT Powertools RPM References: <035801c14db8$d85eb090$381bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com> <3BBDE7BB.8030801@divatv.com> Message-ID: <3BBDEC50.9FC5E107@west.sun.com> > * Run /var/mailman/bin/mmsitepass > to set the mailman administrator password. > * Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py > to customize mailman's configuration for your site. > * Modify the sendmail configuration to ensure that it is running and > accepting connections from the outside world (to ensure that it runs, > set "DAEMON=yes" in /etc/sysconfig/sendmail, ensuring that it accepts > connections from the outside world may require modifying > /etc/mail/sendmail.mc and regenerating sendmail.cf), and > * Add these lines: > ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ > Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/ > > Options +FollowSymlinks > > to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf to configure your web server. And this doesn't mention crontabs? Does the RPM install really do the right thing? How can it know if I want news gatewaying or not?... From Erin.McGrath at WORKERSRIGHTS.ORG Fri Oct 5 22:51:20 2001 From: Erin.McGrath at WORKERSRIGHTS.ORG (Erin McGrath) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:51:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions about your software Message-ID: <4656D058ABFCC24EA567E1E6930E7F1E05C435@WRCSRDC001574.workersrights.org> Hello: I'm researching possible software to use to manage all of the listserves our office has. One of the options software I've found that I can buy has is the ability to query users from a database. Can Mailman software do this? Thanks, Erin Erin McGrath Take a look at our new website: http://www.workersrights.org From adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu Sat Oct 6 04:08:51 2001 From: adam.gintis at vanderbilt.edu (Adam Gintis) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:08:51 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms after RPM installation Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011005210531.02853040@g.mail.vanderbilt.edu> Hello. I installed Mailman on a RH7.1 box with the RPM from Rawhide (Mailman version 2.0.6). When I run check_perms, I'm getting the following error: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ? MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation Any ideas? The lists seem to work fine, I just thought I ought to figure out why this is happening. ------------------------------- Adam Gintis Vanderbilt University From john at nisus.com Sat Oct 6 09:55:41 2001 From: john at nisus.com (jgo) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:55:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: install on OS X Message-ID: Thanks to Joe, Greg & David. Changing the name of the python executable back from the recommended python.exe to python let the mailman installation & checks work. (Sorry for the double post; a bounce message made me think it hadn't gotten posted the first time.) Now, I'm looking at security issues WRT configuration. "You want to be very sure that the user id under which your CGI scripts run is *not* in the 'mailman' group..." But I don't see any words indicating how the username which executes the CGI scripts is controlled (other than merely controlling what users have access to the CGI directories in write mode). Do I need to set up one or more usernames for that purpose, or will nobody serve, or?? John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice From peter.bengtson at noteheads.com Sat Oct 6 14:51:13 2001 From: peter.bengtson at noteheads.com (Peter Bengtson) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:51:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: install on OS X Message-ID: <3BBEFE3F.C77D7958@noteheads.com> Actually, the installation README for Python recommends that the name "python.exe" is used to avoid a clash with a HFS volume called "python". Adding a hard link to python.exe called python fixes it of course, and makes it possible to invoke Python from the command line in the usual manner. I'm also trying to install Mailman under Mac OS X, and it _almost_ works. It took a while to figure out how groups are defined and maintained under OS X (it isn't like any other *nix I've seen), but once a group called mailman was defined, and Apache was configured to allow ExecCGI anywhere, the rest was easy. Except for one bit. I'm using MacOS X (v10.0.4) on a Mac Cube with 192MB of memory. As part of the installation of Mailman, Python had to be installed (it isn't preinstalled on MacOS X or "Darwin"). All the tests run fine, except for the regexp one which segfaults (as indicated in the excellent Python README document). The interpreter also runs fine, and after installing a hard link to "python.exe", command-line invocations of python work as expected. However, when Mailman tries to call Python, errors occur, manifesting as "Internal Server Errors". First, the "time" module seemed to be missing, so I added it by uncommenting the relevant line in Modules/Setup. I got a little further, and a socket-related library was missing, so I added the socket module without SSL in the same fashion. Then, the following happens, for which I cannot find a module. I am beginning to thing something is seriously wrong, if modules cannot be loaded dynamically, and that I either have misconfigured the entire thing by not including correct parameters to ./configure, or that important installation instructions for MacOS X are missing from either the Python README or the Mailman OS X installation instructions. I would be very grateful for any information or idea. Here's the error log from Mailman: > admin(6536): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----] > admin(6536): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(6536): Traceback (most recent call last): > admin(6536): File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main > admin(6536): import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi > admin(6536): File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 35, in ? > admin(6536): from StringIO import StringIO > admin(6536): ImportError: cannot import name StringIO > admin(6536): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(6536): sys.version = 2.1.1 (#4, 10/06/01, 13:16:50) > [GCC Apple DevKit-based CPP 6.0alpha] > admin(6536): sys.executable = /Library/Python-2.1.1/python.exe > admin(6536): sys.prefix = /usr/local > admin(6536): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local > admin(6536): sys.path = /usr/local > admin(6536): sys.platform = darwin1 > admin(6536): [----- Environment Variables -----] > admin(6536): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /Library/WebServer/WebSites/www.musikelit.nu > admin(6536): SERVER_ADDR: 213.80.33.227 > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip > admin(6536): SERVER_PORT: 80 > admin(6536): REMOTE_ADDR: 213.80.33.237 > admin(6536): APACHE_PORT: 81 > admin(6536): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (iTools/MacOSX) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.5a PHP/4.0.4pl1 mod_perl/1.25 mod_fastcgi > /2.2.10 > admin(6536): HTTP_VIA: 1.0 sphinx.naradek.org:80 (Squid/2.4.STABLE1) > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-GB,en > admin(6536): HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR: 213.80.33.237 > admin(6536): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > admin(6536): SERVER_NAME: www.musikelit.nu > admin(6536): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive > admin(6536): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* > admin(6536): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin > admin(6536): HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: max-age=259200 > admin(6536): QUERY_STRING: > admin(6536): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 > admin(6536): HTTP_HOST: www.musikelit.nu:81 > admin(6536): REQUEST_METHOD: GET > admin(6536): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.musikelit.nu Port 80
> > admin(6536): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin > admin(6536): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at naradek.org > admin(6536): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /Users/mailman/cgi-bin/admin > admin(6536): PYTHONPATH: /Users/mailman > admin(6536): REMOTE_PORT: 49448 / Peter Bengtson From jkeenan at blkcat.com Sat Oct 6 16:12:28 2001 From: jkeenan at blkcat.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:12:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: install on OS X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2CB08530-BA64-11D5-8ED3-0003933EC4FE@blkcat.com> On Saturday, October 6, 2001, at 03:55 AM, jgo wrote: > > Now, I'm looking at security issues WRT configuration. > "You want to be very sure that the user id under > which your CGI scripts run is *not* in the 'mailman' > group..." > But I don't see any words indicating how the username > which executes the CGI scripts is controlled (other > than merely controlling what users have access to the > CGI directories in write mode). Do I need to set up > one or more usernames for that purpose, or will > nobody serve, or?? The CGI scripts are run as the user the webserver runs as. Which on MacOS X is user www (group www). See /private/etc/httpd/httpd.conf. So you want to configure Mailman with --with-cgi-gid=www. joe From jonc at nc.rr.com Sat Oct 6 21:19:59 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:19:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions about your software In-Reply-To: <4656D058ABFCC24EA567E1E6930E7F1E05C435@WRCSRDC001574.workersrights.org> References: <4656D058ABFCC24EA567E1E6930E7F1E05C435@WRCSRDC001574.workersrights.org> Message-ID: <01100615195900.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> > I'm researching possible software to use to manage all of the listserves > our office has. One of the options software I've found that I can buy > has is the ability to query users from a database. Can Mailman software > do this? > > Thanks, > > Erin > The answer is yes and no. The current version stores the user in a database, so Yes it can and does query a database for its users. -- Hay, you give *no* details and this is the kind of info you get back. Alright!?! -- You probably have a database of users that you would like to access, well you can easily use that database with Mailman. Your DB guy would write a structured query that dumped out the mailing addresses to a text list and then you would run a command from Mailman called "sync_members" to syncronize each list with the database dump. Of course you would automate this so that it was triggered by something (a database update or simply every hour). It works fine. BTW: future releases of Mailman will be able to directly use your existing database. The current release needs to use this "bridged" effect. If you look very closely at other MLM's you will see that they use the same process for sync-ing with an existing database. Good luck in your quest. Jon Carnes From ise at tao.ca Sat Oct 6 21:57:00 2001 From: ise at tao.ca (ISE) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:57:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list templates problem Message-ID: Hi, I'm very new to mailman, and am probably overlooking something quite simple. I'm configuring the templates used for a particular list. All is good except with the two templates used for the results pages. Mailman insists on adding the following (bad) HTML around my template code: parsed html template added here..... The other two parsed templates allow me to define the entire document, as opposed it being dumped in between the above declared body tags. I'm using Mailman version 2.0.5. Is this a bug, or am I doing something wrong? Thank you, Michael From kdeepakin at yahoo.com Sat Oct 6 23:07:30 2001 From: kdeepakin at yahoo.com (Deepak K) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] few questions Message-ID: <20011006210730.40581.qmail@web11701.mail.yahoo.com> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From kdeepakin at yahoo.com Sat Oct 6 23:07:52 2001 From: kdeepakin at yahoo.com (Deepak K) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] few questions Message-ID: <20011006210752.32151.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I am a newbie to mailman. I have configured mailman version 2.0.6 in a RedHat 7.0 machine. I am quite satisfied by the intial results. However, i have following questions a) Can i have 30 to 40 different mailing list on a single machine. I have exclusively reserved a machine for this. the hardware configuration of the machine is PIII , 800 MHZ, 128 MB Ram. whether it is advisable to have 30 to 40 different mailing list having atleast 30 members in each list in a single machine. if no, please tell me how to proceed in this case by giving the changes or tuning i have to do in terms of the hardware and software configuration. I have around 100 email transactions per day in each mailing list. whether mailman performance will get affected or will it become slow if i have 30 to 40 mailing list on a single machine and have 100 email transactions per day thru each mailing list. b) How i can change or edit the default page that comes for each mailing list ( ie. http://server-name/mailman/listinfo/listname). I need to put my own images as footer instead of mailman and gnu images which comes default as footer. Moreover, i would like to add some more links in this default page. for e.g, i have developed a search option to search the mail archives. but as of now, i am not able to edit this default page so that i can inculde the url for this search utility. Any ideas as to how to do this. Any constructive suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks K.Deepak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From claw at kanga.nu Sat Oct 6 23:33:16 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:33:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions about your software In-Reply-To: Message from Erin McGrath of "Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:51:20 EDT." <4656D058ABFCC24EA567E1E6930E7F1E05C435@WRCSRDC001574.workersrights.org> References: <4656D058ABFCC24EA567E1E6930E7F1E05C435@WRCSRDC001574.workersrights.org> Message-ID: <21066.1002403996@kanga.nu> On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:51:20 -0400 Erin McGrath wrote: > Hello: I'm researching possible software to use to manage all of > the listserves our office has. One of the options software I've > found that I can buy has is the ability to query users from a > database. Can Mailman software do this? The upcoming 2.1 allows external storage of the membership roster via a plugin architecture. You (or someone) would need to write the (very simple) plugin adapator to your DB/whatever of choice. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From paulbentz at home.com Sun Oct 7 00:45:47 2001 From: paulbentz at home.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up new list-Cobalt RaQ4 Message-ID: <003301c14eb8$a4c66920$24c90b18@cc1010665-b.bnapk1.occa.home.com> Hi, I have completed the setup process of mailman just now on a Cobalt RaQ4...I think. All went well until I attempted to set up a list "test"-my first list. I ran the newlist program, entered in "test" and my e-mail address and password, then copied the output lines and put them in Sendmail's "aliases" file. I then ran "newaliases," and hit "enter" to have Mailman e-mail me a confirmation. Nothing happened. The list was set up, but I never got a confirmation. I looked in /var/log/maillog, and there is no log of Mailman/Sendmail even *attempting* to send me a confirmation. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul From jonc at nc.rr.com Sun Oct 7 04:41:56 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up new list-Cobalt RaQ4 In-Reply-To: <003301c14eb8$a4c66920$24c90b18@cc1010665-b.bnapk1.occa.home.com> References: <003301c14eb8$a4c66920$24c90b18@cc1010665-b.bnapk1.occa.home.com> Message-ID: <01100622415602.01359@anncons.nc.rr.com> At this point, you don't know whether "test" works or not. Mailman does not send a confirmation of list creation. It has no idea when you will get around to adding the aliases and updating them, so it wisely chooses to wait. Now login to the admin site (or listinfo site) and add your email address to the list as a user and make sure you have "send welcome message" checked. If you get the welcome message your halfway to knowing that your list works just fine. The next test is to send an email to the list and see if you get it. Done. Jon Carnes > All went well until I attempted to set up a list "test"-my first list. > I ran the newlist program, entered in "test" and my e-mail address and > password, then copied the output lines and put them in Sendmail's > "aliases" file. I then ran "newaliases," and hit "enter" to have Mailman > e-mail me a confirmation. > Nothing happened. The list was set up, but I never got a confirmation. I > looked in /var/log/maillog, and there is no log of Mailman/Sendmail even > *attempting* to send me a confirmation. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Paul From paulbentz at home.com Sun Oct 7 04:50:57 2001 From: paulbentz at home.com (Paul) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:50:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up new list-Cobalt RaQ4 Message-ID: <009701c14eda$e4a462a0$24c90b18@cc1010665-b.bnapk1.occa.home.com> More info I found while poking around my system: When I try to set up my first list-"test," it's Sendmail on the RaQ that doesn't seem to want to cooperate. When you set up a list in Mailman, it outputs a few lines which you should put in /etc/aliases (/etc/mail/aliases on the RaQ) for Sendmail. They look something like this: test: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" test-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" test-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" test-owner: test-admin So, I guess you're supposed to copy those into /etc/mail/aliases and run the command "newaliases" from root. Done. However, I got this in Mailman's log: Oct 06 19:15:32 2001 (600) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 ... No such user here', 'test-admin at server2.internetforall.com') I have tried completely deleting the list "test" and re-creating it, and doing a full reboot of the server (several times) Then, I had the idea: Why not make an alias file for Mailman? Majordomo has its own alias file, found at /etc/mail/aliases.majordomo. Why not do the same for Mailman? So, I deleted the entries I put in /etc/mail/aliases, created the file (as root) /etc/mail/aliases.mailman, and put a line in sendmail.cf: O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases.mailman I ran "newaliases" and it processed aliases.mailman fine. However, Sendmail STILL DOES NOT want to "link" with Mailman! I get the same errors as before, even after a full reboot!! Thanks, Paul From margy at gurus.com Sun Oct 7 05:34:45 2001 From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 23:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter messages that contain mainly quotes? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006233323.020427a8@imap.iecc.com> I've heard of list servers that bounce messages if the new content (non-quoted text) is fewer lines than the quoted material. We've got some clueless subscribers that persist in quoting entire threads while adding only a paragraph or two. Has anyone modified Mailman to do this? Margy Levine Young Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" and "Poor Richard's Building Online Communities" . Looking for kids' videos? Check out From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Oct 7 05:48:34 2001 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:48:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Filter messages that contain mainly quotes? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011006233323.020427a8@imap.iecc.com> Message-ID: On 10/6/01 8:34 PM, "Margaret Levine Young" wrote: > I've heard of list servers that bounce messages if the new content > (non-quoted text) is fewer lines than the quoted material. IMHO, that's a failed technique. It was tried long ago on usenet and didn't work then, and I've never seen anything that makes me believe it magically has started working now. Sometimes, especially with really short messages, it generates false positives, which is bad. > We've got some > clueless subscribers that persist in quoting entire threads while adding > only a paragraph or two. Instead, I suggest using a unique phrase in the message (or digest) header/footer to trap messages wehre they haven't been edited out. It catches what you're looking for, but avoids most of the false positives (and, IMHO, one could argue that ANY message that has a header/footer attached and unedited ought to be bounced for further editing) > Has anyone modified Mailman to do this? Support to do something like this is in 2.1. From dan at ssc.com Sun Oct 7 06:41:08 2001 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:41:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] few questions In-Reply-To: <20011006210752.32151.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>; from Deepak K on Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 02:07:52PM -0700 References: <20011006210752.32151.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011006214108.A17799@ssc.com> On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 02:07:52PM -0700, Deepak K wrote: > Dear All, > > I am a newbie to mailman. I have configured > mailman > version 2.0.6 in a RedHat 7.0 machine. I am quite > satisfied by the intial results. However, i have > following questions > > a) Can i have 30 to 40 different mailing list on a > single machine. I have exclusively reserved a machine > for this. the hardware configuration of the machine is > PIII , 800 MHZ, 128 MB Ram. whether it is advisable to > have 30 to 40 different mailing list having atleast 30 > members in each list in a single machine. if no, > please tell me how to proceed in this case by giving > the changes or tuning i have to do in terms of the > hardware and software configuration. I have around 100 > email transactions per day in each mailing list. > whether mailman performance will get affected or will > it become slow if i have 30 to 40 mailing list on a > single machine and have 100 email transactions per day > thru each mailing list. Lessee, that's 4,000 emails/day. A friend used to handle 70,000 emails/day on a 75 mHz Pentium, which served as a hub for several organizations. We have several lists, the largest of which is 20,000 members but which gets only about one post a week, running under Mailman on an AMD K6-350 with 128M RAM. The MTA is Postfix, tuned for large peak volumes. With 150 SMTP processes, it handles the bulk of the 20,000 member delivery within perhaps three or four hours of submittal time. The machine never really raises a sweat. It does choke up the SDSL line the mail goes out through! I'd think a 486-66 with adequate RAM would be more than enough to handle the load you mention. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Technical Manager & Editor SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-8808 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From bob at step.polymtl.ca Sun Oct 7 07:49:52 2001 From: bob at step.polymtl.ca (Robert Walker) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 01:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] message never makes it. Message-ID: Hi, I am running mailman 2.0.6 (and sendmail). I have set up a test list with one user. Everything works (subscribe, unsub, web interface, welcome messages) except that I never receive the actual messages sent to the list. I believe I checked everything (mailman log, pending administrative requests, syslog, mailq) and could not find anything. Sendmail seems to have delivered the message (with the mailman wrapper) but I never receive it. --- syslog --- Oct 7 01:38:08 step sendmail[19925]: f975c6419924: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post testmailman", ctladdr= (1/0), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=30139, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent --- It's like if it never resolved the actual names in the list. . . Any help would be appreciated, thanks. Robert Walker From jbglaw at lug-owl.de Sun Oct 7 08:01:42 2001 From: jbglaw at lug-owl.de (Jan-Benedict Glaw) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:01:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] message never makes it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011007080142.A8222@lug-owl.de> On Sun, 2001-10-07 01:49:52 -0400, Robert Walker wrote in message : > Hi, > I am running mailman 2.0.6 (and sendmail). I have set up a test > list with one user. Everything works (subscribe, unsub, web interface, > welcome messages) > except that I never receive the actual messages sent to the list. I > believe I checked everything (mailman log, pending administrative > requests, syslog, mailq) and could not find anything. Sendmail seems to > have delivered the message (with the mailman wrapper) but I never receive > it. Do you have a cron job for getting all your mails out of maiman again? This is my /etc/cron.d/mailman file. The 2nd line is the important one: # */5 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news * * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner MfG, JBG -- Jan-Benedict Glaw . jbglaw at lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 From jkeenan at blkcat.com Sun Oct 7 15:13:51 2001 From: jkeenan at blkcat.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up new list-Cobalt RaQ4 In-Reply-To: <009701c14eda$e4a462a0$24c90b18@cc1010665-b.bnapk1.occa.home.com> Message-ID: <267B3FAA-BB25-11D5-B628-0003933EC4FE@blkcat.com> I'm just guess here (never used a RaQ system), but it oocurs to me that the RaQ sendmail config is probably set up for no local users. That is, for relaying mail only. It's primarily intended for network attached storage uses, right? So you probably need to force sendmail to attempt to do local delivery of the Mailman addresses. It's probably not looking at the aliases file at all, since it doesn't think that it's a final delivery point. joe On Saturday, October 6, 2001, at 10:50 PM, Paul wrote: > More info I found while poking around my system: > > When I try to set up my first list-"test," it's Sendmail on the RaQ > that doesn't seem to want to cooperate. > When you set up a list in Mailman, it outputs a few lines which you should > put in /etc/aliases (/etc/mail/aliases on the RaQ) for Sendmail. They look > something like this: > test: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" > test-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" > test-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" > test-owner: test-admin > > So, I guess you're supposed to copy those into /etc/mail/aliases and run > the > command > "newaliases" from root. Done. However, I got this in Mailman's log: > > Oct 06 19:15:32 2001 (600) All recipients refused: (553, '5.3.0 > ... No such user here', > 'test-admin at server2.internetforall.com') > > I have tried completely deleting the list "test" and re-creating it, and > doing a full reboot of the server (several times) > Then, I had the idea: Why not make an alias file for Mailman? Majordomo > has > its own alias file, found at /etc/mail/aliases.majordomo. Why not do the > same for Mailman? > So, I deleted the entries I put in /etc/mail/aliases, created the file (as > root) /etc/mail/aliases.mailman, and put a line in sendmail.cf: > > O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases.mailman > > I ran "newaliases" and it processed aliases.mailman fine. > However, Sendmail STILL DOES NOT want to "link" with Mailman! I get the > same > errors as before, even after a full reboot!! > > Thanks, > Paul > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From chrish at gmx.co.uk Sun Oct 7 15:24:53 2001 From: chrish at gmx.co.uk (Chris Howells) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:24:53 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PHP interface to subscribe/unsubscribe? Message-ID: Hi, Does anybody have some PHP code that can be used as an interface to a Mailman managed lists in order to subscribe/unsubscribe from a list (and perhaps a bit more)? I basically want a customised interface for subscribing, which is unrelated to any Mailman stuff. -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris at chrishowells.co.uk, howells at kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org From peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu Sat Oct 6 14:46:36 2001 From: peter.bengtson at musikelit.nu (Peter Bengtson) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:46:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: install on OS X Message-ID: <3BBEFD2B.3A4C9A16@musikelit.nu> Actually, the installation README for Python recommends that the name "python.exe" is used to avoid a clash with a HFS volume called "python". Adding a hard link to python.exe called python fixes it of course, and makes it possible to invoke Python from the command line in the usual manner. I'm also trying to install Mailman under Mac OS X, and it _almost_ works. I'm trying to run Mailman 2.0.6 under MacOS X (v10.0.4) on a Mac Cube with 192MB of memory. As part of the installation of Mailman, Python had to be installed (it isn't preinstalled on MacOS X or "Darwin"). All the tests run fine, except for the regexp one which segfaults (as indicated in the excellent Python README document). The interpreter also runs fine, and after installing a hard link to "python.exe", command-line invocations of python work as expected. However, when Mailman tries to call Python, errors occur, manifesting as "Internal Server Errors". First, the "time" module seemed to be missing, so I added it by uncommenting the relevant line in Modules/Setup. I got a little further, and a socket-related library was missing, so I added the socket module without SSL in the same fashion. Then, the following happens, for which I cannot find a module. I am beginning to thing something is seriously wrong, if modules cannot be loaded dynamically, and that I either have misconfigured the entire thing by not including correct parameters to ./configure, or that important installation instructions for MacOS X are missing from either the Python README or the Mailman OS X installation instructions. I would be very grateful for any information or idea. Here's the error log from Mailman: > admin(6536): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----] > admin(6536): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(6536): Traceback (most recent call last): > admin(6536): File "/Users/mailman/scripts/driver", line 80, in run_main > admin(6536): import Mailman.pythonlib.cgi > admin(6536): File "/Users/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 35, in ? > admin(6536): from StringIO import StringIO > admin(6536): ImportError: cannot import name StringIO > admin(6536): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(6536): sys.version = 2.1.1 (#4, 10/06/01, 13:16:50) > [GCC Apple DevKit-based CPP 6.0alpha] > admin(6536): sys.executable = /Library/Python-2.1.1/python.exe > admin(6536): sys.prefix = /usr/local > admin(6536): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local > admin(6536): sys.path = /usr/local > admin(6536): sys.platform = darwin1 > admin(6536): [----- Environment Variables -----] > admin(6536): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /Library/WebServer/WebSites/www.musikelit.nu > admin(6536): SERVER_ADDR: 213.80.33.227 > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip > admin(6536): SERVER_PORT: 80 > admin(6536): REMOTE_ADDR: 213.80.33.237 > admin(6536): APACHE_PORT: 81 > admin(6536): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (iTools/MacOSX) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.5a PHP/4.0.4pl1 mod_perl/1.25 mod_fastcgi > /2.2.10 > admin(6536): HTTP_VIA: 1.0 sphinx.naradek.org:80 (Squid/2.4.STABLE1) > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-GB,en > admin(6536): HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR: 213.80.33.237 > admin(6536): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1 > admin(6536): SERVER_NAME: www.musikelit.nu > admin(6536): HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive > admin(6536): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 > admin(6536): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* > admin(6536): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin > admin(6536): HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: max-age=259200 > admin(6536): QUERY_STRING: > admin(6536): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0 > admin(6536): HTTP_HOST: www.musikelit.nu:81 > admin(6536): REQUEST_METHOD: GET > admin(6536): SERVER_SIGNATURE:
Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.musikelit.nu Port 80
> > admin(6536): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin > admin(6536): SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at naradek.org > admin(6536): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /Users/mailman/cgi-bin/admin > admin(6536): PYTHONPATH: /Users/mailman > admin(6536): REMOTE_PORT: 49448 / Peter Bengtson From denis at wildservices.net Sat Oct 6 15:13:27 2001 From: denis at wildservices.net (Denis Bernard) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:13:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Did an update of latest CVS sources to cope with email 0.90 API Message-ID: <01100615132700.01844@tbird800.lan> Hi, After many tries to make mailman fit my needs, I ended with the latest CVS sources (as of 2001/10/04). There was a last problem to solve: the bouncers where still designed for mimelib's API and didn't work with the API of email 0.90 (I use Python 2.1). I've updated these modules to make them work with the email module. If you're interrested, look in the attached file. 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Message-ID: <035201c14e9f$96021510$0f00000a@chitwa> Traceback (innermost last): File "./newlist", line 220, in ? main() File "./newlist", line 216, in main mlist.Unlock() File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1351, in Unlock self.__lock.unlock(unconditionally=1) File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 295, in unlock islocked = self.locked() File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 319, in locked self.__touch() File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 367, in __touch t = time.time() + self.__lifetime AttributeError: time -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011006/fba3bcb4/attachment.htm From twall at webnorth.ca Sat Oct 6 23:08:42 2001 From: twall at webnorth.ca (Tim Wall) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:08:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! Message-ID: <000b01c14eab$28a28c00$0600a8c0@local> Hi I need help!, I'm using the lastest version of exim. Everything works fine and a message is piped to mailman but mailman never sends anything back. Like when I do a test subscribtion confirmation it hit the mailman but nothing happens after that. Any suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011006/39af5d8d/attachment.html From chris at chrishowells.co.uk Sun Oct 7 15:19:12 2001 From: chris at chrishowells.co.uk (Chris Howells) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:19:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] PHP interface to subscribe/unsubscribe? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Does anybody have some PHP code that can be used as an interface to a Mailman managed lists in order to subscribe/unsubscribe from a list (and perhaps a bit more)? I basically want a customised interface for subscribing, which is unrelated to any Mailman stuff. - -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris at chrishowells.co.uk, howells at kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7wFZQF8Iu1zN5WiwRAhsqAJ4qesvbr4wtoLCq34o3l50KtPSCuQCfaP2W WgwIQmzUZentPfReF6kWEJI= =wkmc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From btippett at alum.mit.edu Sun Oct 7 14:46:33 2001 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill Tippett) Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 13:46:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Wishlist input Message-ID: <3BC04EA9.9EBCC59A@alum.mit.edu> Allow archive pages to be sorted with most recent post at the top of the page instead of the bottom. This allows users to quickly view most current messages at the top of the archive page without having to scroll all the way down the page. Bill Tippett From did at histopia.com Mon Oct 8 01:50:38 2001 From: did at histopia.com (???) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:50:38 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/admin Error References: <3BC04EA9.9EBCC59A@alum.mit.edu> Message-ID: <000d01c14f8a$e1406720$202dffd3@histopia.com> Hi, I need Help! After installed mailman 2.0.6 on RedHat Linux 7.0, all script files worked well. But sometimes only /mailman/admin script file encountered Internal Server Error(500). Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Soonyeon Lee. From bob at step.polymtl.ca Mon Oct 8 05:58:40 2001 From: bob at step.polymtl.ca (Robert Walker) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 23:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] message never makes it. In-Reply-To: <20011007080142.A8222@lug-owl.de> Message-ID: Hi, The cron was the problem. When I ran it by hand it worked and I finally found the true problem (http://www.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/summaries/2001-July/001057.html SSH server problem with authentification causes cron problem). Thanks a lot. Mailman is great ! Robert Walker On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote: > On Sun, 2001-10-07 01:49:52 -0400, Robert Walker > wrote in message : > > Hi, > > I am running mailman 2.0.6 (and sendmail). I have set up a test > > list with one user. Everything works (subscribe, unsub, web interface, > > welcome messages) > > except that I never receive the actual messages sent to the list. I > > believe I checked everything (mailman log, pending administrative > > requests, syslog, mailq) and could not find anything. Sendmail seems to > > have delivered the message (with the mailman wrapper) but I never receive > > it. > > Do you have a cron job for getting all your mails out of maiman > again? > > This is my /etc/cron.d/mailman file. The 2nd line is the important > one: > > # */5 * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news > * * * * * list [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner > > > MfG, JBG > > -- > Jan-Benedict Glaw . jbglaw at lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de Mon Oct 8 10:30:33 2001 From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:30:33 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! In-Reply-To: <000b01c14eab$28a28c00$0600a8c0@local> References: <000b01c14eab$28a28c00$0600a8c0@local> Message-ID: <0110080830330C.07255@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Nachricht vom Samstag 06 Oktober 2001 21:08: > > Hi I need help!, > > I'm using the lastest version of exim. Everything works fine and a message > is piped to mailman but mailman never sends anything back. Like when I do a > test subscribtion confirmation it hit the mailman but nothing happens after > that. > > Any suggestions? Have you set up the cron-daemon ? example: crontab /home/mailman/cron/crontab.in - oliver From g.w.vanmourik at student.utwente.nl Mon Oct 8 14:23:16 2001 From: g.w.vanmourik at student.utwente.nl (Gert-Willem van Mourik) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:23:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: PHP interface to subscribe/unsubscribe? Message-ID: <200110081222.OAA11706@studict.student.utwente.nl> I used a script from Jack's scripts archive. This script if fully customisable and you can turn it easily in a subscribe box. Hang on while I look up the url for this handy script. From Rich.West at divatv.com Mon Oct 8 16:00:41 2001 From: Rich.West at divatv.com (Rich West) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman using REDHAT Powertools RPM References: <200110052102.OAA05351@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <3BC1B189.4090902@divatv.com> Just to close this out, the cronjobs get installed as part of the RPM installation which explains why it is not on the "checklist". -Rich -- Richard West mailto:richard.west at divatv.com Sr. Systems Administrator Diva - Princeton, NJ http://www.divatv.com Dan Mick wrote: >Regardless, if it presents a checklist of "things you have to do >other than the RPM installation", clearly that checklist needs to >include "set up cron for Mailman", as Mailman will be a brick without >it. > From detlef.neubauer at charite.de Mon Oct 8 16:26:01 2001 From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer) Date: 08 Oct 2001 16:26:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set a new password for a list admin In-Reply-To: Hans-Peter Zahno's message of "Tue, 18 Sep 2001 11:21:11 +0200" References: Message-ID: Hans-Peter Zahno writes: > How can I set a new password (as site admin) for a list admin ? > (In case the list admin can't remember his password..) Log into the list with the siteadmin password and give the listadmin another one. Mit freundlichen Gr??en Detlef Neubauer -- .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo. From jim at ebizq.net Mon Oct 8 16:45:36 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/admin Error References: <3BC04EA9.9EBCC59A@alum.mit.edu> <000d01c14f8a$e1406720$202dffd3@histopia.com> Message-ID: <001e01c15007$e49be660$6e01a8c0@jim> I actually have this problem with RedHat 6.2 Mailman 2.0.6. But it only manifests itself when I view it with Internet Explorer. When I view the admin pages with Netscape (4.xx) it works fine... Strange... Additionally, the listinfo pages all work well under both IE and Netscape. -jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "???" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/admin Error > Hi, I need Help! > > After installed mailman 2.0.6 on RedHat Linux 7.0, all script files worked > well. But sometimes only /mailman/admin script file encountered Internal > Server Error(500). Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance. > > Soonyeon Lee. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From g.w.vanmourik at student.utwente.nl Mon Oct 8 18:20:25 2001 From: g.w.vanmourik at student.utwente.nl (Gert-Willem van Mourik) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 18:20:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: PHP interface to subscribe/unsubscribe? Message-ID: <200110081619.SAA11755@studict.student.utwente.nl> Here is the url for Jack's scripts. I used the formmail script. http://www.lumbroso.com/scripts/ From billhorne at mediaone.net Mon Oct 8 19:49:44 2001 From: billhorne at mediaone.net (Bill Horne) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:49:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New 2.0.6 install, input OK, output nil Message-ID: <3BC1E738.377270E5@mediaone.net> Thanks for reading this. I've just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Redhat Linux 7.1, and need help. Messags I send to the "test" list are posted (I can see them in the archives), but not mailed to the recipients. The smtp log in the mailman/logs directory shows this error: Oct 08 13:43:23 2001 (891) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection timed out'). I've tried the DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' option, without success, and changed the SMTPPORT = 25, both in mm_cfg.py, also without any change. All ideas welcome. Thanks in advance. Bill -- Bill Horne From maillist at spotteddog.com Mon Oct 8 20:30:08 2001 From: maillist at spotteddog.com (Mailing List, Spotted Dog) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:30:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User database for htaccess Message-ID: I have searched through the Mailman/Python archives and only found a couple references to using the same user database and some how strip from it the email addresses/passwords and incorporate them into a .htaccess file to protect a separate directory. For instance I have a mailing list on the server and have several users of it. I then have a website that will be used by them for display of schedules and other information and want to protect it from outside viewers but don't want to make them sign up twice for something that should be able to be done once. One of the other references said to have a file that copies the information from the user database and have it run by cron maybe once or twice daily so that new mailing list signups will also be allowed into the directory shortly thereafter. I am running Mailman 2.0.6 Sun Cobalt RaQ2 Red Hat Linux Variant MIPS processor 32mb ram Patrick Agee pagee at spotteddog.com From jim at ebizq.net Mon Oct 8 20:27:41 2001 From: jim at ebizq.net (Jim Kutter) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrap messages in HTML ?? Message-ID: <011801c15026$eaf3a560$6e01a8c0@jim> I know this one is real icky, but does anyone know if it's possible to wrap messages in HTML? (Sales folks want all postings to get wrapped in HTML with adverts), or would I have to alter the code? or is this not only very bad netiquette but just a plain old bad idea? Thanks -jim From benwa at ocentrix.com Mon Oct 8 21:31:43 2001 From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:31:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New 2.0.6 install, input OK, output nil In-Reply-To: <3BC1E738.377270E5@mediaone.net> References: <3BC1E738.377270E5@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <01100812314306.18906@va05> On Monday 08 October 2001 10:49 am, Bill Horne wrote: > Thanks for reading this. I've just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Redhat > Linux 7.1, and need help. > > Messags I send to the "test" list are posted (I can see them in the > archives), but not mailed to the recipients. The smtp log in the > mailman/logs directory shows this error: > > Oct 08 13:43:23 2001 (891) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection > timed out'). > > I've tried the DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' option, without success, and > changed the SMTPPORT = 25, both in mm_cfg.py, also without any change. > > All ideas welcome. Thanks in advance. > Did you set up the crontab entries per http://www.list.org/install-final.html - Ben From trey_mailmanusers at anvils.org Mon Oct 8 21:42:20 2001 From: trey_mailmanusers at anvils.org (Trey Valenta) Date: 8 Oct 2001 12:42:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Encryption redux Message-ID: <20011008124220.A4088@anvils.org> This gets asked every so often, but I don't think it's been brought up since January.... Has anyone made headway on encrypting messages sent through a list? mmreencrypt seems to have died off and I couldn't find instructions for installing it. Does anyone have a good hack in place for taking care of this? The lists for which I want to do this are pretty small ( 10 or 15 people) and low traffic. -- trey valenta trey at anvils.org seattle (maybe a) random quote--v The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives. -- Admiral William Leahy, U.S. Atomic Bomb Project From arandall at auntminnie.com Mon Oct 8 22:11:48 2001 From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:11:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrap messages in HTML ?? References: <011801c15026$eaf3a560$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <3BC20884.BF0DDD36@auntminnie.com> There's a reason system administrators have a legendary antipathy for their respective sales and/or marketing departments. Perhaps it's that most (granted, not all) system administrators grasp the difference between what *can* be done and what *should* be done... but all too often have the "can" rammed down their throats even when it doesn't make any sense... oh yeah, and make it work, or else. Hence one of the (many) reasons most sysadmins have frequent shopper cards for things like Maalox and Tylenol. :-) I'm going to ignore the "should" for the moment, as that's an issue you'll obviously have to wrestle out and settle in your own mind. There are appropriate times and places to use HTML-based mail - in our case, the people who've specifically requested the newsletter and specifically requested it in HTML format - and it's perfectly okay to include advertisements with restraint and taste (after all, that's my paycheck!). At the level which I've considered the question (which is to say, not *too* thoroughly) my impression is that there are several ways you could do this. Most of what's coming up in my head are things that are going to involve masticating the message before it gets to mailman, however, and is probably going to require the time and energy of a moderately skilled scripter, who can write something that will twiddle the message at X point before going to the list. Part of that solution may depend on how you want mail to get to the list: Is it announce-only? If not, things may get a little hairy. If so, who ultimately sends the message, and from where? Will the author send you something you can parse on a unix/linux machine which you then will distribute to the list at the right time? Or is this something that needs to be "idiotproof," that a sales person can just send something somewhere, and it will automagically get crunched and sent out to the list? A moderately knowledgeable scripter can write a simple but effective tool to be used by one (or a few) moderately knowledgeable person(s) with a relatively low investment of time. If it's going to be more widespread, more automatic, or used by more novice users ... well, expect a much higher investment in time. If it helps your argument, I can estimate that (in our case) approximately 15% of users can't read HTML-based mail at all, and another 10% of them don't have fully HTML-compatible mail clients, which means that part of the formatting shows up and part gets eaten. You may have to remind them of the rule about pissing off the few... a dissatisfied customer will make ten times the noise of a happy one, and mostly in the direction of their friends and associates. We were able to make that 15-25% happy by offering the choice of a text-only newsletter, with URLs to articles which they can copy and paste into a browser window if they wish to see the bells and whistles. It's extra production time, of course, but it's well worth it in our particular instance. ::get a good Perl book:: =) Amanda Jim Kutter wrote: > I know this one is real icky, but does anyone know if it's possible to wrap messages in HTML? (Sales folks want all postings to get wrapped in HTML with adverts), or would I have to alter the code? or is this not only very bad netiquette but just a plain old bad idea? > > Thanks > -jim > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From billhorne at mediaone.net Mon Oct 8 22:18:05 2001 From: billhorne at mediaone.net (Bill Horne) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New 2.0.6 install, input OK, output nil References: <3BC1E738.377270E5@mediaone.net> <01100812314306.18906@va05> Message-ID: <3BC209FD.6F0D2C00@mediaone.net> Ben Burnett wrote: > On Monday 08 October 2001 10:49 am, Bill Horne wrote: > > Thanks for reading this. I've just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Redhat > > Linux 7.1, and need help. > > > > Messags I send to the "test" list are posted (I can see them in the > > archives), but not mailed to the recipients. The smtp log in the > > mailman/logs directory shows this error: > > > > Oct 08 13:43:23 2001 (891) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection > > timed out'). > > > > I've tried the DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' option, without success, and > > changed the SMTPPORT = 25, both in mm_cfg.py, also without any change. > > > > All ideas welcome. Thanks in advance. > > > > Did you set up the crontab entries per > > http://www.list.org/install-final.html > > - Ben Yes, and thanks for the suggestion. Since the archives are being created, I think the cron jobs are running OK. I also put the symlink into /etc/smrsh to make sure sendmail can execute the wrapper; since messages are being posted TO the list, I'm sure that's working too. Bill -- Bill Horne (Please examine my return address for direct replies: "nouce" must be removed if it's there.) From doug at hunley.homeip.net Mon Oct 8 19:58:26 2001 From: doug at hunley.homeip.net (Douglas J. Hunley) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:58:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail->news address munging how? Message-ID: <0110081358260L.23568@hunley.homeip.net> I recently added a mail->news gateway on my site. I've had address munging turned on for the web archives, but how do I do the same for the newsgroups? I'd really hate to expose the email addresses of my list subscribers on the new newsgroups. A quick search of the archives didn't find anything relevant. I'm not on this list, so please 'CC' me on replies. thanks! -- Douglas J. Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/ Admin: http://linux.nf/ if i knew what i was doing, life would be so much more boring From cnicol at pangea.org Mon Oct 8 19:24:02 2001 From: cnicol at pangea.org (Chris Nicol) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 19:24:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in Spanish Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011008190904.03683f00@mail.pangea.org> Hi from Pangea, an alternative node in Barcelona (www.pangea.org). We are using Mailman version 2.0rc1, which we have translated into Spanish (yes, code and all). We would like to know when the version 2.1 will be released. Just approximately, of course. The reason is that we would like to upgrade but don't want to translate all that code again if the 2.1 is coming out soon. (I'm assuming that there will be a Spanish version, or at least the possibility of translating easily.) If it's still a year off, for example, we'll think seriously about translating now. One other thing- we are trying to persuade the anti-globalisation movement in Spain, which works a hell of a lot with lists, to change from e-groups to a non-profit service like Pangea. They often use their lists from the web, and don't want to lose the possibility of searching through old messages on the web. Any chance of this feature in future mailman versions? Congratulations for the great program. We are very happy with it and try to encourage others to use it too. Keep up the great work! Regards, Chris Nicol Pangea cnicol at pangea.org http://www.pangea.org In a world without fences, who needs Gates? Use Open Source! From trey at anvils.org Mon Oct 8 21:37:18 2001 From: trey at anvils.org (Trey Valenta) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:37:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Encryption redux Message-ID: <20011008193718.3124.qmail@zipcon.net> This gets asked every so often, but I don't think it's been brought up since January.... Has anyone made headway on encrypting messages sent through a list? mmreencrypt seems to have died off and I couldn't find instructions for installing it. Does anyone have a good hack in place for taking care of this? The lists for which I want to do this are pretty small ( 10 or 15 people) and low traffic. -- trey valenta trey at anvils.org seattle (maybe a) random quote--v The most disagreeable thing that your worst enemy says to your face does not approach what your best friends say behind your back. -- Alfred De Musset From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 9 01:19:12 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User database for htaccess References: Message-ID: <020b01c1504f$a455cf10$0b04010a@JCARNES> > I have searched through the Mailman/Python archives and only found a > couple references to using the same user database and some how strip from > it the email addresses/passwords and incorporate them into a .htaccess file > to protect a separate directory. For instance I have a mailing list on the > server and have several users of it. I then have a website that will be > used by them for display of schedules and other information and want to > protect it from outside viewers but don't want to make them sign up twice > for something that should be able to be done once. One of the other > references said to have a file that copies the information from the user > database and have it run by cron maybe once or twice daily so that new > mailing list signups will also be allowed into the directory shortly > thereafter. > This is really easy... setup a cronjob to dump out the users of a list: ~mailman/bin/list_members mylist >/tmp/mylist_users This will contain the list of email addresses from your list in Mailman- You will use folks email addresses as their "username" for access to the web site. Since the passwords are stored in the database in text format, you can simply go to the directory: ~mailman/lists/mylist and dump it from the database. If you don't want to mess with that, you can easily dump it out of the strings in the database of the file config.db. The user names are in the config.db three times. - The first is just a list of members of the group. - The second is the user followed by their passwords. - The third is the user followed by their options. We want to grab the line following the second occurrence of the name. This line has the password on it and a separator which "strings" puts out as an "s" followed by a return. That isolates the password. Once username (email address) and the password are isolated, we can create an htaccess file usable by Apache from the Mailman database by using the htpasswd program. Here is an example script that should get you 9/10s of the way there: htpasswd -cb .htaccess.new dummy at localhost.com tossaway for i in `~mailman/bin/list_members mylist` do PASS=`strings config.db |grep -i -A1 $i |head -5 |tail -1 | sed 's/s$//' ` htpasswd -b .htaccess.new $i $PASS done # replace the .htaccess.mylist file used for list users web access to this site. # This gets rid of the dummy line used to create the passwd file, but you # could just start with an empty file... grep -v dummy at localhost.com .htaccess.new > .htaccess.mylist Consider the above GPL'ed and provided for your amusement, etc... You could get more sophisticated, but this will keep you Web access synchronized with your Mailman password. And that is a nifty thing... Jon Carnes From ekengelhard at sagresdiscovery.com Tue Oct 9 01:28:40 2001 From: ekengelhard at sagresdiscovery.com (Eric Engelhard) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:28:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-users@python.org Message-ID: <94B9D57CBDBBC54089996510E60129A8221F@cook.home.sagresdiscovery.com> I just installed mailman-2.0.5 on Mandrake 8.0 running apache 1.3.19 and postfix 20010228. The installation seemed to go well, but after using the newlist command to set up a test list, my email to test at my.domain.org bounced back with an "uknown user:"test"" message. Anyone seen this behavior? Eric Engelhard Sagres Discovery From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Tue Oct 9 01:38:00 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:38:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New 2.0.6 install, input OK, output nil References: <3BC1E738.377270E5@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <3BC238D7.36571763@utopia.west.sun.com> What's between Mailman and your subscribers? The MTA. Whose logs should you be checking? The MTA's. "Connection timed out" sounds a lot like there *isn't* an MTA running. Are you sure there is? Bill Horne wrote: > > Thanks for reading this. I've just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Redhat > Linux 7.1, and need help. > > Messags I send to the "test" list are posted (I can see them in the > archives), but not mailed to the recipients. The smtp log in the > mailman/logs directory shows this error: > > Oct 08 13:43:23 2001 (891) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection > timed out'). > > I've tried the DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' option, without success, and > changed the SMTPPORT = 25, both in mm_cfg.py, also without any change. > > All ideas welcome. Thanks in advance. > > Bill > > -- > Bill Horne > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Tue Oct 9 01:39:49 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 16:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-users@python.org References: <94B9D57CBDBBC54089996510E60129A8221F@cook.home.sagresdiscovery.com> Message-ID: <3BC23945.FEDE5C99@utopia.west.sun.com> Eric Engelhard wrote: > > I just installed mailman-2.0.5 on Mandrake 8.0 running apache 1.3.19 and > postfix 20010228. The installation seemed to go well, but after using > the newlist command to set up a test list, my email to > test at my.domain.org bounced back with an "uknown user:"test"" message. > > Anyone seen this behavior? Of course. Everyone has, and half this list has. It's a sign that you didn't finish installing the list by creating an alias for your MTA in the proper way. From jjv200 at med.nyu.edu Tue Oct 9 03:36:32 2001 From: jjv200 at med.nyu.edu (Jonathan Vafai) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:36:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Negative regular expression for deny list Message-ID: <003301c15062$e4f2f7b0$939b10ac@LURK> Hi, I want to restrict one of my mailing lists to only messages coming from a single domain. ( The reason for this is that my users are automatically subscribed, but have multiple email addresses within my domain that they'll be posting from.) Therefore, what I want to do is only accept emails from ".*@.*nyu.edu". However, the following regexps don't work: from: .*(^nyu\.edu).* Or from: .*[^nN][^yY][^uU]\.[^eE][^dD][uU].* Does anyone have other suggestions for doing something like this? Jon From claw at kanga.nu Tue Oct 9 05:26:14 2001 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:26:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrap messages in HTML ?? In-Reply-To: Message from "Jim Kutter" of "Mon, 08 Oct 2001 14:27:41 EDT." <011801c15026$eaf3a560$6e01a8c0@jim> References: <011801c15026$eaf3a560$6e01a8c0@jim> Message-ID: <23408.1002597974@kanga.nu> On Mon, 8 Oct 2001 14:27:41 -0400 Jim Kutter wrote: > I know this one is real icky, but does anyone know if it's > possible to wrap messages in HTML? Its possible, it is not however a Mailman function or something Mailman is likely to support at any time in the near future. To do this you'll have to preface your list with a filter which does the appropriate MIME mungeing. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From mike_conley at hp.com Mon Oct 8 23:43:32 2001 From: mike_conley at hp.com (CONLEY,MIKE (HP-FtCollins,ex1)) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:43:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail Message-ID: Help! When users join our mail lists a message is sent to the user asking them to confirm the request to join the list, but the mail address of the alias that sent the message is not correct so when they reply the reply is bounced back to the user. The alias has the user and the domain but not the hostname of the system running mailman. Anyone know whether this is a mailman issue or a sendmail problem? Mike Conley 970-898-3071 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011008/c09a2453/attachment.htm From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Oct 9 02:15:48 2001 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:15:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: <200110040805.f9485Dq32767@quill.local>; from nb@thinkcoach.com on Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:05:13AM +0200 References: <01100322413803.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> <200110040805.f9485Dq32767@quill.local> Message-ID: <20011008171548.E27744@magic.merlins.org> On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:05:13AM +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? > > That would be an awesome feature... > > The mailman archives are all text based, so they should be easy to search > > and index. > > There's a patch at Sourceforge which adds this functionality. > You can try it e.g. at http://dotgnu.org/pipermail/developers/ That's pretty cool. Does this patch take into account public and private lists? (the biggest reason I have never implemented archive search at my company is that the archiver has to know which lists are private and the users and their passwords before allowing a search on a private list) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From marc at merlins.org Tue Oct 9 02:44:40 2001 From: marc at merlins.org (Marc MERLIN) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:44:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request: searching the list membership Message-ID: <20011008174440.G27744@magic.merlins.org> Ok, I'm not holding my breath because 1) I'm not contributing the code, and 2) like most people _I_ personally don't need it, but it's a feature request from sourceforge users: List admins have no way to do a quick grep on the list membership without shell access to the list server (which they are obviously not getting :-D) So, quick box in some corner of the admin interface where one could type a regex, and that would return the list members that match that would be nice. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems & security .... .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key From kdeepakin at yahoo.com Tue Oct 9 05:51:41 2001 From: kdeepakin at yahoo.com (Deepak K) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing mailman pages Message-ID: <20011009035141.91723.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, I am a newbie to mailman. I have configured mailman version 2.0.6 in a RedHat 7.0 machine. I am quite satisfied by the intial results. However, i have following questions a) How i can change or edit the default page that comes for each mailing list ( ie. http://server-name/mailman/listinfo/listname). I need to put my own images as footer instead of mailman and gnu images which comes default as footer. Moreover, i would like to add some more links in this default page. b) I have developed a search option to search the mail archives. but as of now, i am not able to edit this default page so that i can inculde the url for this search utility. Can anyone tell me how to modify the default mailman page ( http://server-name/mailman/listinfo/listname) so that i can inculde the search utility url here. Any ideas as to how to do this. Any constructive suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks K.Deepak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 9 05:59:10 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:59:10 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail References: Message-ID: <030601c15076$c08a80f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Most likely this is a configuration problem: In the Admin website, General Options, "host name this list prefers... " ----- Original Message ----- From: CONLEY,MIKE (HP-FtCollins,ex1) To: 'mailman-users at python.org' Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail Help! When users join our mail lists a message is sent to the user asking them to confirm the request to join the list, but the mail address of the alias that sent the message is not correct so when they reply the reply is bounced back to the user. The alias has the user and the domain but not the hostname of the system running mailman. Anyone know whether this is a mailman issue or a sendmail problem? Mike Conley 970-898-3071 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011008/503422f1/attachment.html From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 9 06:09:11 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing mailman pages References: <20011009035141.91723.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <031401c15078$279ef130$0b04010a@JCARNES> Two ways to change the HTML pages used for Listinfo: Edit the page at its source, ~mailman/lists/listname/... Edit the page from the Admin interface, "Edit the HTML for the public list pages " You want to get rid of the at the end of the file and replace it with html code that displays your icons, etc... You really ought to leave some form of mailman tribute on your site though. A lot of folks have worked fairly hard to bring you a really great product and all they ask is a bit of recognition. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deepak K" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:51 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing mailman pages > Dear All, > > I am a newbie to mailman. I have configured > mailman > version 2.0.6 in a RedHat 7.0 machine. I am quite > satisfied by the intial results. However, i have > following questions > > a) How i can change or edit the default page that > comes for each mailing list ( ie. > http://server-name/mailman/listinfo/listname). I need > to put my own images as footer instead of mailman and > gnu images which comes default as footer. Moreover, i > would like to add some more links in this default > page. > > > b) I have developed a search option to > search the mail archives. but as of now, i am not able > to edit this default page so that i can inculde the > url for this search utility. Can anyone tell me how to > modify the default mailman page ( > http://server-name/mailman/listinfo/listname) so that > i can inculde the search utility url here. > > Any ideas as to how to do this. > > Any constructive suggestions would be highly > appreciated. > > Thanks > K.Deepak > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From xserrano at ac.upc.es Tue Oct 9 08:34:30 2001 From: xserrano at ac.upc.es (Xavi Serrano) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:34:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting to non-member addresses in a file Message-ID: <20011009083430.B29195@ac.upc.es> Hello all, I am currently running majordomo on my system, and would like to move to Mailman in the future. Playing around with Mailman options I came across an issue I don't know how to solve easily. Let's consider two majordomo closed lists (list1 and list2) and the corresponding main entries in the alias file: list1: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -l list1 -h my.domain -I list1:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed list1-outgoing" list2: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -l list2 -h my.domain -I list2:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed list2-outgoing" Assuming that list1 and list2 are closed lists, the previous aliases restrict postings to members of the list only plus the addresses in /var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed Is there an easy way to do this in Mailman? I know I can copy & paste the contents of /var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed in the posters field of the admin CGI page, but this is quite useless as the list.allowed file is actually used in lots of mailing lists, and it is updated frequently... I was thinking in a tool pretty much like sync_members but which would deal with the "posters" instead of the members. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you for your time. - Xavi. From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 9 09:48:42 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 03:48:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting to non-member addresses in a file References: <20011009083430.B29195@ac.upc.es> Message-ID: <03a401c15096$d1360760$0b04010a@JCARNES> Check out the config_list command for a possible workaround. ~mailman/bin/config_list will let you output the configuration of your list in a format that the command can then read back in and reset the configuration of the list. You can dump out the config to a file, then insert the contents of your file "list.allowed" at the appropriate place - then feed the file back in. If you put this in to a cron file that checks the modify date on the "list.allow" file (and keep a backup of your config.db) then you can easily automate the process of feeding that file into the posters field of each list. Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Xavi Serrano" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:34 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting to non-member addresses in a file > Hello all, > > I am currently running majordomo on my system, and would like to move > to Mailman in the future. Playing around with Mailman options I came > across an issue I don't know how to solve easily. > > Let's consider two majordomo closed lists (list1 and list2) and the > corresponding main entries in the alias file: > > list1: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -l list1 -h my.domain -I list1:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed list1-outgoing" > > list2: "|/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -l list2 -h my.domain -I list2:/var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed list2-outgoing" > > Assuming that list1 and list2 are closed lists, the previous aliases > restrict postings to members of the list only plus the addresses in > /var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed > > Is there an easy way to do this in Mailman? I know I can copy & paste the > contents of /var/lib/majordomo/lists/list.allowed in the posters field > of the admin CGI page, but this is quite useless as the list.allowed > file is actually used in lots of mailing lists, and it is updated > frequently... I was thinking in a tool pretty much like sync_members > but which would deal with the "posters" instead of the members. > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > Thank you for your time. > - Xavi. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From nb at thinkcoach.com Tue Oct 9 09:26:38 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:26:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: <20011008171548.E27744@magic.merlins.org> (message from Marc MERLIN on Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:15:48 -0700) References: <01100322413803.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> <200110040805.f9485Dq32767@quill.local> <20011008171548.E27744@magic.merlins.org> Message-ID: <200110090726.f997QcY12287@quill.local> > > There's a patch at Sourceforge which adds this functionality. > > You can try it e.g. at http://dotgnu.org/pipermail/developers/ > > That's pretty cool. > Does this patch take into account public and private lists? It works ok with public and private lists. Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk Tue Oct 9 11:35:43 2001 From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:35:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature? In-Reply-To: <20011008171548.E27744@magic.merlins.org> References: <200110040805.f9485Dq32767@quill.local> <01100322413803.00985@anncons.nc.rr.com> <200110040805.f9485Dq32767@quill.local> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011009103249.026d76c8@pop.ftel.co.uk> At 17:15 08/10/2001 -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote: >On Thu, Oct 04, 2001 at 10:05:13AM +0200, Norbert Bollow wrote: > > > > Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives? > > > That would be an awesome feature... > > > The mailman archives are all text based, so they should be easy to > search > > > and index. > > > > There's a patch at Sourceforge which adds this functionality. > > You can try it e.g. at http://dotgnu.org/pipermail/developers/ > >That's pretty cool. >Does this patch take into account public and private lists? >(the biggest reason I have never implemented archive search at my company is >that the archiver has to know which lists are private and the users and >their passwords before allowing a search on a private list) > >Marc >-- The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search engine with Mailman. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103 http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103 The main features of the patch, from its sourceforge summary are: 1. per list search facility with a search form on the list's TOC page. 2. maintenance of privacy of private archives which requires the user to establish their credentials via the normal private archive access before any access via htdig is allowed. 3. a common base URL for both public and private archive access via htsearch results so that htdig indices are unaffected by changing an archive from private to public and vice versa. All access to archives via htdig is controlled by a new wrapped cgi- bin script called htdig.py. 4. a new cron activated script and extra crontab entry which runs htdig regularly to maintain the per list search indices. 5. automatic creation, deletion and maintenance of htdig configuration files and such. Beyond installing htdig and telling Mailman where it is via mm_cfg you do not have to do any other setup. Well not quite you do have to set up a single per installation symlink to allow htdig to find the automatically generated per list htdig configuration files. From billhorne at mediaone.net Tue Oct 9 11:59:42 2001 From: billhorne at mediaone.net (Bill Horne) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 05:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: New 2.0.6 install, input OK, output nil - problem solved References: <3BC1E738.377270E5@mediaone.net> <01100907521700.20396@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> Message-ID: <3BC2CA8E.179EAC83@mediaone.net> Oliver Egginger wrote: > I am very sure that this has something to do with your MTA. > The smtp log (within the mailman logs) is only the client-side. > Consult the log-file of your MTA to get more specific information. > > I hope this helps. > > - oliver > > Nachricht vom Montag 08 Oktober 2001 17:49: > > Thanks for reading this. I've just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Redhat > > Linux 7.1, and need help. > > > > Messags I send to the "test" list are posted (I can see them in the > > archives), but not mailed to the recipients. The smtp log in the > > mailman/logs directory shows this error: > > > > Oct 08 13:43:23 2001 (891) All recipients refused: (110, 'Connection > > timed out'). > > > > I've tried the DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' option, without success, and > > changed the SMTPPORT = 25, both in mm_cfg.py, also without any change. > > > > All ideas welcome. Thanks in advance. > > > > Bill Oliver, Thanks for your note. The problem wasn't with the MTA (sendmail, btw), but rather with the path between Mailman and sendmail. I was confused by the fact that the mail was getting INTO my list, but not out: since the wrapper is called in either case, and the sendmail logs showed nothing, and I had tried the command line call to sendmail (ahem), I didn't think it was a problem. I finally realized that the IPTABLES ruleset didn't include an allowance for port 25 on the loopback interface, and put in an ALLOW statement which has cured the problem, at least with the DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect' option. Now, just out of curiousity: can somebody tell me why it didn't work when I had DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail' in my mm_cfg.py file? That's a "command line" call to sendmail, isn't it? TIA. Bill Horne -- Bill Horne From donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie Tue Oct 9 14:01:06 2001 From: donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie (Donal Hunt) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 13:01:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug: "very low level failure" References: Message-ID: <3BC2E702.1F8D3890@mail.dcu.ie> Hey... For once i'm completely stumped. History: ------- Python 2.1.1 on Solaris 8 (Sparc Edtion). Apache 1.3.20. Installed Mailman 2.0.6 using: configure --prefix=/local/mailman \ --with-cgi-gid=webgroup \ --with-mail-gid=postfix \ --with-python=/usr/local/python Everything seems to work (little problem with missing the python time module, but sorted that). However the web interface doesn't work at all. Just get the following message: "Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." The Apache error log shows: --------------------------------------------------------------- @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----] [----- Traceback ------] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 66, in run_main @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----] [----- Traceback ------] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 229, in ? [Mailman: low level unrecoverable exception] --------------------------------------------------------------- Had a quick look through the archives, but didn't find anything. Found something Barry wrote in the comp.lang.python newsgroup that explains why it's happening (it's a comment in : --------------------------------------------------------------- # Some exception percolated all the way back up to the top. This # generally shouldn't happen because the run_main() call is similarly # wrapped, but just in case, we'll give it one last ditch effort to report # problems to *somebody*. Most likely this will end up in the Web server # log file. --------------------------------------------------------------- I had a quick look through src/cgi-wrapper.c, src/common.c and src/vsnprintf.c (they are used to build driver afair) but couldn't see anything wrong there... So... Anyone got an idea why it's breaking?? Anyone had a similar problem with Mailman 2.0.6?? Regards Donal p.s. Cross-posted to mailman-users and mailman-developers. From craver at kanal.vg Tue Oct 9 14:22:59 2001 From: craver at kanal.vg (craver voun) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:22:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List Message-ID: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn> Hi there: I am new here and I guess this questions has probably show before. My problem is that I need a unmoderated list, I changed this parameters: Must posts be approved by an administrator? (Details) No Yes Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) (Details) No Yes but the messages sent still require aproval. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011009/fded054d/attachment.htm From Berean at C-Squad.org Tue Oct 9 14:49:49 2001 From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:49:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in subscribing members Message-ID: Hello all, I transfered a lits of subscribers I had from my old list to a new list I created with Mailman. I had abut 300 subscribers. I used the Membership management page to mas subscribe them to the new list. However, some members are saying they never received the Welcome message, and are not receiving any posts from the new list, even though they show as being subscribed and set to receive normal mail in Mailman's subscriber list. Did I just subscribe too many people at once, or is it just lagged a little? Thanks, Frank Pagano (The Berean) Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 ICQ#: 98723297 AOL Screen Name: Berean333 Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek ****************************************** "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch Tue Oct 9 15:19:12 2001 From: alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 15:19:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange behavior of by Sendmail Message-ID: <3BC2F950.78ACBB8B@medecine.unige.ch> Hello In my server I have HtDig and Mailman which run. Both of two use sendmail to send messages, okay. If I look in the configuration of mailman the parameter: max_message_size (general) each list comprises a different size, right. Now I receive a message from Htdig : Action: failed Status: 5.2.3 Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 5.2.3 Message exceeds local size limit. My question is: Does Mailman modify the parameters of Sendmail? according to the parameter: max_message_size of Mailman.? and disturbe the others process used by Htdig for example? Thanks in advance for your answer. Alain. PS: Solaris 8 and Mailman 2.0.6 -- +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Alain Chappuis | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch | | Analyste | WEB : www.medecine, ebn, jid, Sifm | | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis at unige.ch | | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone : +41 (22) [70]25.073 | | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58 | | CH-1211 Geneve 4 | http://ebn.unige.ch/www/alain.html | +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 9 15:27:08 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in subscribing members References: Message-ID: <03e601c150c6$188153c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> If you scan the archives of this list, you will see that you have to be *very* careful when pasting in email addresses. One thing to avoid is using the format: Jon Carnes < nospam at nospam.com > for the email address. I would wager that there are some extra characters (perhaps even some spaces in the wrong places...) in the names of some of the folks you pasted in. Feel free to re-paste the list of folks into the Admin's "user management" page, but be careful to use only the email address and leave behind any other extraneous data. I.E. just paste nospam at nospam.com as the above address. Mailman won't subscribe the same email address twice, so if you see what looks like a duplicate to your eye, then you will know there were some extra characters pulled over the first time around. Good Luck - Jon Carnes ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Berean" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in subscribing members > > Hello all, > > I transfered a lits of subscribers I had from my old list to a new list I > created with Mailman. I had abut 300 subscribers. I used the Membership > management page to mas subscribe them to the new list. However, some > members are saying they never received the Welcome message, and are not > receiving any posts from the new list, even though they show as being > subscribed and set to receive normal mail in Mailman's subscriber list. Did > I just subscribe too many people at once, or is it just lagged a little? > > Thanks, > > Frank Pagano (The Berean) > Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org > Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 > ICQ#: 98723297 > AOL Screen Name: Berean333 > Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek > ****************************************** > "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a > little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jonc at haht.com Tue Oct 9 15:30:05 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:30:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List References: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn> Message-ID: <03f101c150c6$8232f990$0b04010a@JCARNES> The users posting to your list are not yet members of your list. Subscribe all the email addresses that you (or they) use to post with. Then they should pass right through without need for approval ----- Original Message ----- From: craver voun To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List Hi there: I am new here and I guess this questions has probably show before. My problem is that I need a unmoderated list, I changed this parameters: Must posts be approved by an administrator? (Details) No Yes Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) (Details) No Yes but the messages sent still require aproval. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011009/3053369a/attachment.html From Berean at C-Squad.org Tue Oct 9 15:44:02 2001 From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:44:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in subscribing members In-Reply-To: <03e601c150c6$188153c0$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: That's an idea, but I used strictly the email address, not any additional characters. In addition I got a subscription confirmation for all 282 subscribers. Most of them got their welcome messages as far as I know, but a few here or there, never received anything, even though their emails are working fine. I wonder if Mailman hiccuped :) Frank Pagano (The Berean) Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 ICQ#: 98723297 AOL Screen Name: Berean333 Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek ****************************************** "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 >If you scan the archives of this list, you will see that you have to be >*very* careful when pasting in email addresses. One thing to >avoid is using >the format: Jon Carnes < nospam at nospam.com > >for the email address. I would wager that there are some extra characters >(perhaps even some spaces in the wrong places...) in the names of some of >the folks you pasted in. > >Feel free to re-paste the list of folks into the Admin's "user management" >page, but be careful to use only the email address and leave behind any >other extraneous data. I.E. just paste nospam at nospam.com as the above >address. > >Mailman won't subscribe the same email address twice, so if you see what >looks like a duplicate to your eye, then you will know there were >some extra >characters pulled over the first time around. > >Good Luck - Jon Carnes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The Berean" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:49 AM >Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in subscribing members > > >> >> Hello all, >> >> I transfered a lits of subscribers I had from my old list to a new list I >> created with Mailman. I had abut 300 subscribers. I used the Membership >> management page to mas subscribe them to the new list. However, some >> members are saying they never received the Welcome message, and are not >> receiving any posts from the new list, even though they show as being >> subscribed and set to receive normal mail in Mailman's subscriber list. >Did >> I just subscribe too many people at once, or is it just lagged a little? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank Pagano (The Berean) >> Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org >> Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 >> ICQ#: 98723297 >> AOL Screen Name: Berean333 >> Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek >> ****************************************** >> "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a >> little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." >> --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01 > From craver at kanal.vg Tue Oct 9 15:56:22 2001 From: craver at kanal.vg (craver voun) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:56:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List References: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn> <03f101c150c6$8232f990$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is already suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send a message: Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject prueba 3 Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has implicit destination Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. Any idea? Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Carnes To: craver voun ; mailman-users at python.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List The users posting to your list are not yet members of your list. Subscribe all the email addresses that you (or they) use to post with. Then they should pass right through without need for approval ----- Original Message ----- From: craver voun To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List Hi there: I am new here and I guess this questions has probably show before. My problem is that I need a unmoderated list, I changed this parameters: Must posts be approved by an administrator? (Details) No Yes Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) (Details) No Yes but the messages sent still require aproval. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011009/de2f790a/attachment.htm From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Oct 9 16:08:24 2001 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: 09 Oct 2001 15:08:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List In-Reply-To: <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> References: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn> <03f101c150c6$8232f990$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> Message-ID: <1002636519.10963.26.camel@gaspode.localnet> On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote: > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is already suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send a message: > > Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject > prueba 3 > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > The reason it is being held: > Message has implicit destination > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. > > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. Any idea? It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc: headers. This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host name this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are using an alias it does not know about. [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information if you had included the error message the first time you posted] Nigel. From camel at lrllamas.com Tue Oct 9 16:20:09 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive help Message-ID: <200110091420.f99EKAZ03502@camel.lrllamas.com> (1) thanks to a list member for fixing my alias problems (2) now, everything is working (mail wise), byt I'm getting an (apache) Forbidden when trying to access the archives what is the most common reason for this? From barry at arhosting.com Tue Oct 9 17:07:48 2001 From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:07:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announce mailman-qmail rpm In-Reply-To: <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> Message-ID: I have hacked together the start of a qmail only mailman rpm. You can get it and test it out at http://mailman-qmail.arhosting.com There are a couple of bugs, but nothing major. Any help is greatly appreciated on fixing them. Barry Smoke Owner arhosting.com From ste at research.bell-labs.com Tue Oct 9 20:08:23 2001 From: ste at research.bell-labs.com (Shaun Erickson) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 14:08:23 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I remove a message from a list's archive? Message-ID: <3BC33D17.8040203@research.bell-labs.com> I have several archives with virus laden messages in them. Is there an exact procedure for removing all traces of such messages, and their attachments, from an archive, without touching anything else in the archive? -ste -- Office: (908) 582-7629 Cell: (908) 672-6456 Pager: (888) 290-2057 From chrish at gmx.co.uk Tue Oct 9 20:26:05 2001 From: chrish at gmx.co.uk (Chris Howells) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:26:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I remove a message from a list's archive? In-Reply-To: <3BC33D17.8040203@research.bell-labs.com> References: <3BC33D17.8040203@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: On Tuesday 09 Oct 2001 19:08, Shaun Erickson wrote: > I have several archives with virus laden messages in them. Is there an > exact procedure for removing all traces of such messages, and their > attachments, from an archive, without touching anything else in the > archive? http://www.list.org/faq.html -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris at chrishowells.co.uk, howells at kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org From craver at kanal.vg Tue Oct 9 20:31:15 2001 From: craver at kanal.vg (craver voun) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:31:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List Message-ID: <002801c150f0$956a2860$3203a8c0@aragorn> I still don't get it, this is the header of the sent message: Received: from [213.96.140.87] (helo=aragorn) by alexandria2.dnsnodes.com with smtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 15qxmh-0003E4-00 for lista at kanal.vg; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: Reply-To: "craver voun" From: "craver voun" To: Subject: prueba 9 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200 Organization: K#VG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C150DE.AD26AF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 and the "Host name this list prefers" parameter is set to "kanal.vg" which is the domain (the list adress is lista at kanal.vg). Hope this iformation will help a little more. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Metheringham" To: "craver voun" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List > On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote: > > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is already suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send a message: > > > > Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject > > prueba 3 > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Message has implicit destination > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > > notification of the moderator's decision. > > > > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. Any idea? > > It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc: headers. > > This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host name > this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are using an > alias it does not know about. > > [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information if > you had included the error message the first time you posted] > > Nigel. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011009/807c3089/attachment.html From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Tue Oct 9 20:36:57 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:36:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List References: <002801c150f0$956a2860$3203a8c0@aragorn> Message-ID: <3BC343C9.C41FC371@utopia.west.sun.com> I bet the <> around the To: address is confusing MM. > craver voun wrote: > > I still don't get it, this is the header of the sent message: > Received: from [213.96.140.87] (helo=aragorn) > by alexandria2.dnsnodes.com with smtp (Exim 3.20 > #1) > id 15qxmh-0003E4-00 > for lista at kanal.vg; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:23:03 -0400 > Message-ID: > Reply-To: "craver voun" > From: "craver voun" > To: > Subject: prueba 9 > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200 > Organization: K#VG > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C150DE.AD26AF80" > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > and the "Host name this list prefers" parameter is set to "kanal.vg" > which is the domain (the list adress is lista at kanal.vg). > Hope this iformation will help a little more. > > Thanks again. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nigel Metheringham" > To: "craver voun" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List > > > On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote: > > > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is > already suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send > a message: > > > > > > Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject > > > prueba 3 > > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for > approval. > > > The reason it is being held: > > > Message has implicit destination > > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will > receive > > > notification of the moderator's decision. > > > > > > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. > Any idea? > > > > It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc: > headers. > > > > This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host > name > > this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are > using an > > alias it does not know about. > > > > [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information > if > > you had included the error message the first time you posted] > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > From gward at mems-exchange.org Tue Oct 9 20:44:25 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:44:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Negative regular expression for deny list In-Reply-To: <003301c15062$e4f2f7b0$939b10ac@LURK> References: <003301c15062$e4f2f7b0$939b10ac@LURK> Message-ID: <20011009144425.A3156@mems-exchange.org> On 08 October 2001, Jonathan Vafai said: > I want to restrict one of my mailing lists to only messages coming from > a single domain. ( The reason for this is that my users are > automatically subscribed, but have multiple email addresses within my > domain that they'll be posting from.) Oooh, fun regex problem! > Therefore, what I want to do is only accept emails from ".*@.*nyu.edu". Not quite. You want to accept emails from addresses that match .*@(.+\.)?nyu.edu$ Your regex would accept messages from "foo at xynu.edu", or "foo at nyu.edu.com". Actually, to be even more strict, you only want to accept messages from addresses that match [^@]+@([^@]+\.)?nyu.edu$ -- because there MUST be something before the "@" sign, and there may be ONLY one "@" sign in an address. (Actually, there's a specific list of characters that are verboten in an email address, because they are "special" characters in RFC 822. So the localpart of the address regex should probably be something like [\(\)\<\>\@\,\;\:\\\"\.\[\]]+ ...but that's getting excessively anal-retentive.) I will stick with the convenient fiction that ".+" is what your regex should start with. This should do the trick for you: .+@(?!(.+\.)?nyu\.edu$) The ".+" matches any localpart. "(?!...)" means, "match the preceding expression only if it's *not* followed by the pattern in parentheses". (*Python Essential Reference*, 2nd ed., p. 137.) In this case, the "preceding expression" is ".+@", ie. any localpart followed by "@". The "negative match" part is for any nyu.edu domain, as explained above. Note that with the "$", this regex will match "foo at nyu.edu.com", meaning you will deny senders from this domain. Without the "$", that lame attempt to fool your regex would work. This double negative stuff makes my head hurt. Maybe Mailman should have a "sender accept" regex too. ;-) Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From balazs.lengyak at psinet.hu Tue Oct 9 15:49:15 2001 From: balazs.lengyak at psinet.hu (Balazs Lengyak) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:49:15 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out monthly membership reminder? Message-ID: <20011009154915.H13766@elender.hu> Is there? Thanks, -- Regards, Balazs Lengyak PSINet Hungary -------------- PGP public key: http://bivanbi.elender.hu/gpg-pub.key Key fingerprint: CE32 0ADE BA22 12E2 2407 8376 FF78 1F26 B9C5 2009 From bsmoke at bryant.k12.ar.us Tue Oct 9 17:03:42 2001 From: bsmoke at bryant.k12.ar.us (Barry Smoke) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:03:42 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] announcing mailman-qmail rpm Message-ID: I have hacked together the start of a qmail only mailman rpm. You can get it and test it out at http://mailman-qmail.arhosting.com There are a couple of bugs, but nothing major. Any help is greatly appreciated on fixing them. Barry Smoke Owner arhosting.com From mailman at itpsg.com Tue Oct 9 19:57:54 2001 From: mailman at itpsg.com (Vector) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:57:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] support for virtual domains? Message-ID: <00a601c150eb$edd747d0$0300a8c0@matrix.itpsg.com> The feature list mentions support for virtual domains. And how does one make mailman aware of virtual domains? I can find no documentation on creating a list with a virtual domain. It would be nice of the links that go out in the list managers first email after the list was created included the urls __for that virtual domain__. I don't mind taking care of the web server side of things, but it seems to me like there is no *real* virtual domain support in mailman. Someone please tell me where I'm going wrong! Thanks, vec From chris at chrishowells.co.uk Tue Oct 9 20:14:17 2001 From: chris at chrishowells.co.uk (Chris Howells) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:14:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I remove a message from a list's archive? In-Reply-To: <3BC33D17.8040203@research.bell-labs.com> References: <3BC33D17.8040203@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 09 Oct 2001 19:08, Shaun Erickson wrote: > I have several archives with virus laden messages in them. Is there an > exact procedure for removing all traces of such messages, and their > attachments, from an archive, without touching anything else in the > archive? http://www.list.org/faq.html - -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- chris at chrishowells.co.uk, howells at kde.org Web: http://chrishowells.co.uk, PGP key: http://chrishowells.co.uk/pgp.txt KDE: http://www.koffice.org, http://edu.kde.org, http://usability.kde.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7wz5/F8Iu1zN5WiwRAs0LAKCQSYz1mZe10pFiTQYzuqge8NCw7wCgjrKQ jpR45WnYJtCnD4xSWqiVMfE= =yBVn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From briert at cepu.ca Wed Oct 10 02:52:20 2001 From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. Message-ID: <009d01c15125$e1df6b80$1e0aa8c0@cheryl> Is there a way to ban a certain e-mail from subscribing to a list? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011009/e63417dc/attachment.htm From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Oct 10 03:49:48 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:49:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out monthly membership reminder? References: <20011009154915.H13766@elender.hu> Message-ID: <3BC3A93C.A2D79747@pcraft.com> Balazs Lengyak wrote: > Is there? Of course. RTFM. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Oct 10 03:54:19 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:54:19 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] support for virtual domains? References: <00a601c150eb$edd747d0$0300a8c0@matrix.itpsg.com> Message-ID: <3BC3AA4B.2F8D01B0@pcraft.com> Vector wrote: > The feature list mentions support for virtual domains. And how does one > make mailman aware of virtual domains? I can find no documentation on > creating a list with a virtual domain. It would be nice of the links that > go out in the list managers first email after the list was created included > the urls __for that virtual domain__. I don't mind taking care of the web > server side of things, but it seems to me like there is no *real* virtual > domain support in mailman. Someone please tell me where I'm going wrong! Some folks have pointed out that by setting the host_name value on each list makes it work fine for vhosts. I've never tried it. I went a different route instead: different installations, on the same machine, same user ID, just different directories. It works for me. @domainA.com is different than @domainB.com (where is the same name and both domains are hosted on the same physical machine) -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From chrish at apc.edu.ph Wed Oct 10 04:10:23 2001 From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:10:23 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem Message-ID: good day, everyone! i am a mailman newbie, and i've searched through the archives but only seen one occurance of my problem, but didn't really solve it. here goes. i am using SuSE 7.2 Apache 1.3.19 Postfix 20010228pl03 trying to install Mailman 2.0.6 whenever i send a post to test, i get the following errors: : Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65534. (Reconfigure to take 65534?) i configure mailman using the following # ./configure --with-cgi-gid=mail --with-gid=12 with gid 12 = mail what am i doing wrong? Pleas help? ----------------------- Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned Chris G Haravata IT Resource Officer-Magallanes Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph) #3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd., Makati City Tel No 8529232 loc 402 Cell No 0916.3500465 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 From christopher_azzi at hotmail.com Wed Oct 10 02:15:08 2001 From: christopher_azzi at hotmail.com (Christopher Azzi) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:15:08 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: please take me off the list.. thanks Christopher Azzi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From michael at firewing.org Wed Oct 10 04:25:56 2001 From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson - fw) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:25:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Did you read the docs? 2. Running configure TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE --with-mail-gid AND --with-cgi-gid OPTIONS BELOW. YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO USE THESE! What's wrong with this picture? Perhaps you want "--with-cgi-gid=12" not "--with-gid=12" -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chris G Haravata Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:10 PM To: Mailman Mailing List Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem Importance: High good day, everyone! i am a mailman newbie, and i've searched through the archives but only seen one occurance of my problem, but didn't really solve it. here goes. i am using SuSE 7.2 Apache 1.3.19 Postfix 20010228pl03 trying to install Mailman 2.0.6 whenever i send a post to test, i get the following errors: : Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65534. (Reconfigure to take 65534?) i configure mailman using the following # ./configure --with-cgi-gid=mail --with-gid=12 with gid 12 = mail what am i doing wrong? Pleas help? ----------------------- Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned Chris G Haravata IT Resource Officer-Magallanes Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph) #3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd., Makati City Tel No 8529232 loc 402 Cell No 0916.3500465 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Oct 10 04:54:29 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 20:54:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <3BC3B865.E23B6EBE@pcraft.com> Christopher Azzi wrote: > please take me off the list.. thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Take yourself off the list (honestly, we can not do it for you.) That's what the above URL is for. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From benwa at ocentrix.com Wed Oct 10 04:53:03 2001 From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:53:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0110091953030B.20629@va05> On Tuesday 09 October 2001 07:10 pm, Chris G Haravata wrote: > good day, everyone! > > i am a mailman newbie Welcome! > , and i've searched through the archives but only seen > one occurance of my problem, but didn't really solve it. here goes. > This is arguably the most FAQ on this software. Please search the archives again using the terms "wanted got reconfigure" and you'll see plenty of solutions. check: http://search.python.org (check mailing list archives only) http://www.list.org/faq.html http://www.list.org/install-config.html for more info. > whenever i send a post to test, i get the following errors: > > : Command died with status 2: > "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to > exec > script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65534. (Reconfigure to take 65534?) > > i configure mailman using the following > > # ./configure --with-cgi-gid=mail --with-gid=12 > > with gid 12 = mail Off the top of my head it appears as though you are calling configure with the wrong parameters. First of all, I don't believe that --with-gid is an option. So sayeth "grep -e '--with-gid' configure" Secondly, It's asking you to reconfigure it --with-mail-gid=65534. You aren't specifying "--with-mail-gid" at all. If this option is not specified configure is supposed to pick whichever is specified first of the following gid's: "other, mail, daemon" do any of these match gid 65534 on your system? It looks as though Postfix thinks one of them does. Ternary, Once you get this fixed you'll probably have problems accessing the web interfaces because you've specified "--with-cgi-gid=mail". This is basically telling configure that your web server runs as gid mail. Unless you've made some changes it shouldn't be. By default configure is supposed to look for www, www-data, or nobody as the gid to run the web scripts as, choosing whichever it finds first. Make sure that your installation of Apache is using one of these group names or specify the correct one. I had to use "--with-cgi-gid=apache" to get mine to work. Good Luck, - Ben From mislam at students.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 10 05:13:21 2001 From: mislam at students.uiuc.edu (Sharif Islam) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:13:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Prob Message-ID: I installed mailman few months ago on RH 7.0. Everything was working fine. I just upgraded to 7.1. NOw mailman is not working. All the directories and files are there .Any help? thanks ) (( |""|-. | :|/' -`--'- From barry at zope.com Wed Oct 10 05:51:57 2001 From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:51:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug: "very low level failure" References: <3BC2E702.1F8D3890@mail.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <15299.50653.855946.709462@geddy.wooz.org> >>>>> "DH" == Donal Hunt writes: DH> For once i'm completely stumped. | History: | ------- | Python 2.1.1 on Solaris 8 (Sparc Edtion). | Apache 1.3.20. | Installed Mailman 2.0.6 using: DH> Just get the following message: DH> "Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not DH> even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this DH> to the Mailman administrator at this site." I suspect there's something wrong with your Python installation. You'd only get this low level error if you got an exception in the driver script's print_traceback() or print_environment() functions. One thought: are you positive that you're using Python 2.1.1 with the web interface? If the Python you're using doesn't support extended print, that could be your problem. Try running the driver script manually from the install directory. You'll get an exception, but it shouldn't be a low level one (probably an IndexError trying to extract the the cgi program's name from sys.argv). E.g.: % PYTHONPATH=. python -S scripts/driver Make sure `python' is exactly the one you gave on the configure line. If you get some other exception, or error, it should give you an indication of the problem that's occurring. -Barry From chrish at apc.edu.ph Wed Oct 10 08:43:50 2001 From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:43:50 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Success!!! Message-ID: Hey, SUCCESS!!!! I have successfully configured and installed Mailman. To the programmers, thanks a lot and may you have more of the same. Thanks again!!! ----------------------- Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned Chris G Haravata IT Resource Officer-Magallanes Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph) #3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd., Makati City Tel No 8529232 loc 402 Cell No 0916.3500465 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9/25/2001 From vlolham at nsw.bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 11 05:02:34 2001 From: vlolham at nsw.bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:02:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain Message-ID: <009101c15201$2d261540$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi there, OS: RedHat 7.1 I setup all domains as virtual and all the users are popuser. Server domain name is resolved to "maindomain.com" with ip address of 139.aaa.bbb.ccc there are two other virtual domains under this domain called: virtual-domain-1.com with ip address of 203.aaa.bbb.ccc virtual-domain-2.com with ip address of 203.eee.fff.ggg alias file for the main domain is in /etc/aliases alias file for the virtual domains are in: /etc/vmail/virtual-domain-1.com/aliases.virtual-domain-1.com /etc/vmail/virtual-domain-2.com/aliases.virtual-domain-2.com Remember there are no real users here only root and now mailman. ****action**** I installed mailman 2.0.1-2.rpm By default mailman is installed in /var/mailman mailman user is created: mailman uid and gid both are 41 and alias file in /etc/aliases is updated as follwed: mailman: postmaster mailman-owner: mailman ok, here I start to create a list: I edit mm_cfg to add my default domain name and URL, I type this: changed DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= ' virtual-domain-1.com' changed DEFAULT_URL= ' http://www.virtual-domain-1.com/mailman/' I left the rest as is and done the web setting for httpd.conf I want to use one of the virtual-domains, not the main server domain. next step I create a list: /var/mailman/bin/newlist call the list "test" then the name for the admin: me at virtual-domain-1.com asked me for a pass word "test" the final message is: test: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" test-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" test-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" test-owner: test-admin ------------------------------- By reading the installation file I assume I have to add these 4 lines in /etc/aliases file I did and run newaliases to update the alias file. ***now test*** I add a user to the list call it "test-user at test_domain.com; no problem The usere recived a notification and was accepted, *** problem here*** If that test-user send a posting to test at virtual-domain-1.com the message get posted no error or bounce. mail log say the mail was send:ok But the user doesn't get the posted message. no matter how many valid users I add to the list the don't get postings. ** alternatives ** I add the previous 4 lines to the virtual-doman-1.com alias file to see where the problem is. Still no error and mail get send to the list, but still no posting coming back to the users. I check for problems in /var/mailman/logs no errors, and smtp and post say the message was accepted. Where these posting are getting stored? I don't see them anywhere!! Any clues? ------------- Regards, Vania -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011010/708b44a4/attachment.html From vlolham at nsw.bigpond.net.au Thu Oct 11 06:50:10 2001 From: vlolham at nsw.bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain problem Message-ID: <001401c15210$35c76960$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi there, OS: RedHat 7.1 I setup all domains as virtual and all the users are popuser. Server domain name is resolved to "maindomain.com" with ip address of 139.aaa.bbb.ccc there are two other virtual domains under this domain called: virtual-domain-1.com with ip address of 203.aaa.bbb.ccc virtual-domain-2.com with ip address of 203.eee.fff.ggg alias file for the main domain is in /etc/aliases alias file for the virtual domains are in: /etc/vmail/virtual-domain-1.com/aliases.virtual-domain-1.com /etc/vmail/virtual-domain-2.com/aliases.virtual-domain-2.com Remember there are no real users here only root and now mailman. ****action**** I installed mailman 2.0.1-2.rpm By default mailman is installed in /var/mailman mailman user is created: mailman uid and gid both are 41 and alias file in /etc/aliases is updated as follwed: mailman: postmaster mailman-owner: mailman ok, here I start to create a list: I edit mm_cfg to add my default domain name and URL, I type this: changed DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= ' virtual-domain-1.com' changed DEFAULT_URL= ' http://www.virtual-domain-1.com/mailman/' I left the rest as is and done the web setting for httpd.conf I want to use one of the virtual-domains, not the main server domain. next step I create a list: /var/mailman/bin/newlist call the list "test" then the name for the admin: me at virtual-domain-1.com asked me for a pass word "test" the final message is: test: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" test-admin: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" test-request: "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" test-owner: test-admin ------------------------------- By reading the installation file I assume I have to add these 4 lines in /etc/aliases file I did and run newaliases to update the alias file. ***now test*** I add a user to the list call it "test-user at test_domain.com; no problem The usere recived a notification and was accepted, *** problem here*** If that test-user send a posting to test at virtual-domain-1.com the message get posted no error or bounce. mail log say the mail was send:ok But the user doesn't get the posted message. no matter how many valid users I add to the list the don't get postings. ** alternatives ** I add the previous 4 lines to the virtual-doman-1.com alias file to see where the problem is. Still no error and mail get send to the list, but still no posting coming back to the users. I check for problems in /var/mailman/logs no errors, and smtp and post say the message was accepted. Where these posting are getting stored? I don't see them anywhere!! Any clues? ------------- Regards, Vania From camel at lrllamas.com Wed Oct 10 14:27:45 2001 From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:27:45 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive issue Message-ID: <200110101227.f9ACRjZ15783@camel.lrllamas.com> I'm still getting a "forbidden" accesing my archives - everything else is working just fine - any ideas (seems to be a permissions issue) -- Jay S. Curtis Camelid Listowner info/subscribe at http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid From do-risika at simicro-internet.mg Wed Oct 10 14:29:45 2001 From: do-risika at simicro-internet.mg (Do-Risika RAFIEFERANTSIARONJY) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:29:45 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] internationalization Message-ID: <3BC43F39.535BDE7F@simicro-internet.mg> Hi all, Is there a new about the mailman internationalization ?(particularly i would be interested on a french version) Thanx. @+ -- DouRiX From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Oct 10 16:15:35 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:15:35 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20011010101535.A1168@mems-exchange.org> On 09 October 2001, Sharif Islam said: > I installed mailman few months ago on RH 7.0. Everything was working fine. > I just upgraded to 7.1. NOw mailman is not working. All the directories > and files are there .Any help? > thanks That's an almost-completely-useless message. How about explaining precisely *how* Mailman is "not working". While you're at it, you should mention which version of Python and which MTA you're using. (Not everyone uses Red Hat, and presuambly not every Red Hat user uses the same MTA.) Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From xnoellardin at sopra.com Wed Oct 10 16:14:32 2001 From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL LARDIN) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:14:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] thread in archive Message-ID: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE446@exchange.an.sopra> in my all archives the thread has problem... it doesn't work correctly. the reply of a message is not in the thread... All the persons of the list use Outlook 2000, is it the problem ? Because one person have Mozilla and when he replys, the message is in a thread... Thanks for your help. Xavier _________________________________________ Xavier NOEL-LARDIN SOPRA GROUP / Direction des Moyens Informatiques P.A.E. les Glaisins 3, rue du Pr? Faucon - BP 238 74942 ANNECY LE VIEUX CEDEX - FRANCE T?l. : (+33) 04.50.33.30.52 Email : xnoellardin at sopra.com From craver at kanal.vg Wed Oct 10 16:46:57 2001 From: craver at kanal.vg (craver voun) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:46:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List References: <002801c150f0$956a2860$3203a8c0@aragorn> <3BC343C9.C41FC371@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <007201c1519a$6a5540b0$3203a8c0@aragorn> > I bet the <> around the To: address is confusing MM. So ... what do i do. That's the header outlook created, and there is no way I can change it. And in the other hand is the same client i am using to write to this list, and the messages are posted with no problem ... It has to be something eles ... Any idea? Thank you all again (and again, ...) > > craver voun wrote: > > > > I still don't get it, this is the header of the sent message: > > Received: from [213.96.140.87] (helo=aragorn) > > by alexandria2.dnsnodes.com with smtp (Exim 3.20 > > #1) > > id 15qxmh-0003E4-00 > > for lista at kanal.vg; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 10:23:03 -0400 > > Message-ID: > > Reply-To: "craver voun" > > From: "craver voun" > > To: > > Subject: prueba 9 > > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200 > > Organization: K#VG > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C150DE.AD26AF80" > > X-Priority: 3 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > > and the "Host name this list prefers" parameter is set to "kanal.vg" > > which is the domain (the list adress is lista at kanal.vg). > > Hope this iformation will help a little more. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nigel Metheringham" > > To: "craver voun" > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List > > > > > On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote: > > > > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is > > already suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send > > a message: > > > > > > > > Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject > > > > prueba 3 > > > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for > > approval. > > > > The reason it is being held: > > > > Message has implicit destination > > > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will > > receive > > > > notification of the moderator's decision. > > > > > > > > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. > > Any idea? > > > > > > It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc: > > headers. > > > > > > This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host > > name > > > this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are > > using an > > > alias it does not know about. > > > > > > [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information > > if > > > you had included the error message the first time you posted] > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > From mislam at students.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 10 17:00:24 2001 From: mislam at students.uiuc.edu (Sharif Islam) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Prob In-Reply-To: <20011010101535.A1168@mems-exchange.org> Message-ID: Sorry about not giving much details. I was kind of freaked out last night when I encountered that problem. I found out my mailing list works, only the web interface is not coming up.(HTTP 404 Error) I am using Python 1.5.2 and sendmail,apache . I recently upgraded from Red Hat 7.0 to 7.1 Thanks ) (( |""|-. | :|/' -`--'- On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Greg Ward wrote: > On 09 October 2001, Sharif Islam said: > > I installed mailman few months ago on RH 7.0. Everything was working fine. > > I just upgraded to 7.1. NOw mailman is not working. All the directories > > and files are there .Any help? > > thanks > > That's an almost-completely-useless message. How about explaining > precisely *how* Mailman is "not working". While you're at it, you > should mention which version of Python and which MTA you're using. (Not > everyone uses Red Hat, and presuambly not every Red Hat user uses the > same MTA.) > > Greg > -- > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > From dball at wcom.ca Wed Oct 10 17:04:33 2001 From: dball at wcom.ca (David Ball) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:04:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Prob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It looks as though it may be something as small as a missing Alias/Scriptalias in your httpd.conf for Apache. Check the install docs at http://www.list.org/install-final.html to be sure that's all good to go. David On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Sharif Islam wrote: > > Sorry about not giving much details. I was kind of freaked out last > night when I encountered that problem. > > I found out my mailing list works, only the web interface is not coming > up.(HTTP 404 Error) > I am using Python 1.5.2 and sendmail,apache . I recently upgraded from Red > Hat 7.0 to 7.1 > > > Thanks > ) > (( > |""|-. > | :|/' > -`--'- > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Greg Ward wrote: > > > On 09 October 2001, Sharif Islam said: > > > I installed mailman few months ago on RH 7.0. Everything was working fine. > > > I just upgraded to 7.1. NOw mailman is not working. All the directories > > > and files are there .Any help? > > > thanks > > > > That's an almost-completely-useless message. How about explaining > > precisely *how* Mailman is "not working". While you're at it, you > > should mention which version of Python and which MTA you're using. (Not > > everyone uses Red Hat, and presuambly not every Red Hat user uses the > > same MTA.) > > > > Greg > > -- > > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From mislam at students.uiuc.edu Wed Oct 10 17:56:59 2001 From: mislam at students.uiuc.edu (Sharif Islam) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:56:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Prob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks. I fixed that, changed the entry in httpd.conf But now a different prob: "Mailman CGI error!!! The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server." I guess I need to do a reconfigure with cgi-gid option. Now, will all my old mailing list will be gone? ) (( |""|-. | :|/' -`--'- On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, David Ball wrote: > It looks as though it may be something as small as a missing > Alias/Scriptalias in your httpd.conf for Apache. Check the install docs > at http://www.list.org/install-final.html to be sure that's all good to > go. > > David > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Sharif Islam wrote: > > > > > Sorry about not giving much details. I was kind of freaked out last > > night when I encountered that problem. > > > > I found out my mailing list works, only the web interface is not coming > > up.(HTTP 404 Error) > > I am using Python 1.5.2 and sendmail,apache . I recently upgraded from Red > > Hat 7.0 to 7.1 > > > > > > Thanks > > ) > > (( > > |""|-. > > | :|/' > > -`--'- > > > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Greg Ward wrote: > > > > > On 09 October 2001, Sharif Islam said: > > > > I installed mailman few months ago on RH 7.0. Everything was working fine. > > > > I just upgraded to 7.1. NOw mailman is not working. All the directories > > > > and files are there .Any help? > > > > thanks > > > > > > That's an almost-completely-useless message. How about explaining > > > precisely *how* Mailman is "not working". While you're at it, you > > > should mention which version of Python and which MTA you're using. (Not > > > everyone uses Red Hat, and presuambly not every Red Hat user uses the > > > same MTA.) > > > > > > Greg > > > -- > > > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > > > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From dball at wcom.ca Wed Oct 10 18:08:53 2001 From: dball at wcom.ca (David Ball) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:08:53 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Prob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The reconfig using proper gid's should fix that yes, but you shouldn't lose any existing list info at all. The make/make install will just overwrite the appropriate program files, but leave the configuration files intact if it finds them. David On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Sharif Islam wrote: > > Thanks. I fixed that, changed the entry in httpd.conf > > But now a different prob: > > "Mailman CGI error!!! > > The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set > by the Web server." > I guess I need to do a reconfigure with cgi-gid option. Now, will all my > old mailing list will be gone? > > > ) > (( > |""|-. > | :|/' > -`--'- > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, David Ball wrote: > > > It looks as though it may be something as small as a missing > > Alias/Scriptalias in your httpd.conf for Apache. Check the install docs > > at http://www.list.org/install-final.html to be sure that's all good to > > go. > > > > David > > > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Sharif Islam wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry about not giving much details. I was kind of freaked out last > > > night when I encountered that problem. > > > > > > I found out my mailing list works, only the web interface is not coming > > > up.(HTTP 404 Error) > > > I am using Python 1.5.2 and sendmail,apache . I recently upgraded from Red > > > Hat 7.0 to 7.1 > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > ) > > > (( > > > |""|-. > > > | :|/' > > > -`--'- > > > > > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Greg Ward wrote: > > > > > > > On 09 October 2001, Sharif Islam said: > > > > > I installed mailman few months ago on RH 7.0. Everything was working fine. > > > > > I just upgraded to 7.1. NOw mailman is not working. All the directories > > > > > and files are there .Any help? > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > That's an almost-completely-useless message. How about explaining > > > > precisely *how* Mailman is "not working". While you're at it, you > > > > should mention which version of Python and which MTA you're using. (Not > > > > everyone uses Red Hat, and presuambly not every Red Hat user uses the > > > > same MTA.) > > > > > > > > Greg > > > > -- > > > > Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org > > > > MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > From alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch Wed Oct 10 18:17:57 2001 From: alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:17:57 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1496 - 7 msgs References: Message-ID: <3BC474B5.B16A0AA9@medecine.unige.ch> > Hi all, > > Is there a new about the mailman internationalization ?(particularly i > would be interested on a french version) La version de Mailman en Francais est uniquement disponible dans sa version beta. (2.1B1) En ce qui concerne la version courante, j'ai les templates si cela t'interesse en francais! Alain. -- +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Alain Chappuis | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch | | Analyste | WEB : www.medecine, ebn, jid, Sifm | | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis at unige.ch | | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone : +41 (22) [70]25.073 | | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58 | | CH-1211 Geneve 4 | http://ebn.unige.ch/www/alain.html | +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Oct 10 18:34:29 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:34:29 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain problem References: <001401c15210$35c76960$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <3BC47895.3C624BFC@pcraft.com> Vania Lolham wrote: > If that test-user send a posting to > test at virtual-domain-1.com the message get posted no error or > bounce. > mail log say the mail was send:ok > But the user doesn't get the posted message. > no matter how many valid users I add to the list the don't > get postings. You don't mention anywhere that you set up the qrunner cron task. -- H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From jimmy at merl.com Wed Oct 10 18:37:43 2001 From: jimmy at merl.com (Jimmy McDonald) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:37:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] searchable archives? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011010123609.068b3278@mail.merl.com> I have a mailman list that keeps archives and someone wants me to make those archives searchable via a web browser. Is there a way mailman can do this? Any other thoughts? Thanks, Jimmy From michael at firewing.org Wed Oct 10 19:26:35 2001 From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson (firewing)) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:26:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] searchable archives? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011010123609.068b3278@mail.merl.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011010102544.00b0ae70@mail.firewing.org> Someone posted some information on a few patches that will allow you to do this---I recall one used htdig. If you scan the recent archives (last 2 weeks) you can probably find the link the the aforementioned thread and a url to the patch(es). At 12:37 PM 10/10/2001 -0400, Jimmy McDonald wrote: >I have a mailman list that keeps archives and >someone wants me to make those archives >searchable via a web browser. > >Is there a way mailman can do this? >Any other thoughts? > >Thanks, >Jimmy > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jwblist at olympus.net Wed Oct 10 19:36:35 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:36:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive issue In-Reply-To: <200110101227.f9ACRjZ15783@camel.lrllamas.com> References: <200110101227.f9ACRjZ15783@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: At 8:27 -0400 10/10/2001, Camel wrote: >I'm still getting a "forbidden" accesing my archives - everything else is >working just fine - any ideas (seems to be a permissions issue) Apache (in particular) "does" forbidden not only if the permissions are wrong, but if it is pointed to a directory and the directory is empty. Could the latter be your problem? --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Oct 10 19:42:25 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:42:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive issue References: <200110101227.f9ACRjZ15783@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <3BC48880.8D7BB0FD@pcraft.com> John W Baxter wrote: > At 8:27 -0400 10/10/2001, Camel wrote: > >I'm still getting a "forbidden" accesing my archives - everything else is > >working just fine - any ideas (seems to be a permissions issue) Your archives won't be "there" unless you have actually posted messages to the list. And if you have posted messages, check your web server logs and try to find out what the error is. > Apache (in particular) "does" forbidden not only if the permissions are > wrong, but if it is pointed to a directory and the directory is empty. > Could the latter be your problem? Not necessarily. By default, yes. However, if someone added the 'Indexes' Option to their configuration file, Apache will be just happy to display an empty directory for you without any problems. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From jonc at haht.com Wed Oct 10 20:00:30 2001 From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:00:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. References: <009d01c15125$e1df6b80$1e0aa8c0@cheryl> Message-ID: <008f01c151b5$73352e00$0b04010a@JCARNES> Yes. Muck about in the Admin web interface for the list. You'll see the option - it's in plain english. ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Brier To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. Is there a way to ban a certain e-mail from subscribing to a list? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011010/e18ec90f/attachment.htm From ashley at pcraft.com Wed Oct 10 20:18:41 2001 From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:18:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive issue - found in "private" ??? References: <200110101227.f9ACRjZ15783@camel.lrllamas.com> <3BC48880.8D7BB0FD@pcraft.com> <200110101811.f9AIBcZ18940@camel.lrllamas.com> Message-ID: <3BC49100.AFAE2F0E@pcraft.com> Camel wrote: > OK.. this is weird - the alias in httpd.conf points to /public/ > and the archives are being re-directed to /private/ ???!!??? > here is the alias: > Alias /pipermail/ "/var/www/mailman/archives/public/" > (like the docs say...) > but it's going to /var/www/mailman/archives/private/ > and I can look at them (as the SU) using an internal browser.. That's the way it works, yes. *You* have the ability to 'su' to the mailman user and view anything you please, however anyone coming out from the internet with a browser can not. -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. +-------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashley M. Kirchner . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc. . 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com ..... . . . Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. From briert at cepu.ca Wed Oct 10 20:17:26 2001 From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:17:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. References: <009d01c15125$e1df6b80$1e0aa8c0@cheryl> <008f01c151b5$73352e00$0b04010a@JCARNES> Message-ID: <00d901c151b7$d0aba760$2800a8c0@briert> Thanks for the feedback, but what I'm looking for is listed on the Mailman wishlist under the heading List Administration. "Ability to ban specific troublesome users (from posting, subscribing, etc). Posts from banned users would be discarded. " I'm using Mailman 2.0.5. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Carnes To: Timothy Brier ; mailman-users at python.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. Yes. Muck about in the Admin web interface for the list. You'll see the option - it's in plain english. ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Brier To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:52 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. Is there a way to ban a certain e-mail from subscribing to a list? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011010/ed9f9e64/attachment.html From philip at sunbeach.net Wed Oct 10 21:14:40 2001 From: philip at sunbeach.net (Philip Arthur) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: <001601c151bf$d0ea3d60$034265d1@philip> Are you allowed to attach images to your emails that go out from the list? If not why? __________________________________ The Key Doesn't Open The Door, You Do. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011010/5fbfcd06/attachment.htm From mark at knm.org Wed Oct 10 22:23:43 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:23:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user question - disappearing mail Message-ID: <200110102023.f9AKNhM23623@home.knm.org> Hello. I am setting up mailman and qmail. I have qmail working fine, but I am having trouble with mailman - any messages sent to the aliases simply disappear, with no description of what the error may have been. The only message I have found is in logs/post: Oct 10 13:58:01 2001 (13488) post to foo from root at tinyterm.com, size=6, 1 failures In this case, I created a new mailing list called "foo". Then I added the lines to /etc/aliases and ran newaliases. However, the message to the administrator never arrived; neither do messages to foo-admin. There are also no bounce messages. Could someone give me a quick pointer in the right direction? Simply making the mailman errors more verbose would be a good start. Thanks. Mark From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com Wed Oct 10 23:08:32 2001 From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:08:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. In-Reply-To: <009d01c15125$e1df6b80$1e0aa8c0@cheryl> Message-ID: <3BC4646E.31060.135B526@localhost> On 9 Oct 2001 at 20:52, Timothy Brier wrote: > Is there a way to ban a certain e-mail from subscribing to a list? Yeah, but it's a waste of time and effort for determined troublemakers. It takes about a minute to get a new email account on any of a bazillion free email servers. So, I block briert at cepu.ca, and your next move is to become Timmy12386 at hotmail.com..... and you're back in. Mike -- Mike Avery MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home) (970)-642-0244 (office) FAX: (970)-642-0282 ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM: MAvery81230 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Madness takes it's toll. Please have exact change. From shaheeb_r at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 23:21:01 2001 From: shaheeb_r at yahoo.com (Shaheeb Roshan) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding MailMan settings... Message-ID: <20011010212101.77011.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Hiyo! I am curious about the MailMan script i downloaded from Python.org. Is there anyway to configure it so that when someone on the list recieves a message I broadcast to the list, they see "To: " field contain their own address? The way it is right now, the To: field shows the name of the mailing list. On the same token, I don't want them to see other people's names on their too. just their own. please help me out if this is possible. thanks so much! Shaheeb R. www.veryhightempo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com From david at midrange.com Wed Oct 10 23:30:06 2001 From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:30:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions. In-Reply-To: <3BC4646E.31060.135B526@localhost> from "Mike Avery" at Oct 10, 2001 03:08:32 PM Message-ID: <200110102130.f9ALU6H26121@linux.midrange.com> > > Is there a way to ban a certain e-mail from subscribing to a list? > Yeah, but it's a waste of time and effort for > determined troublemakers. It takes about a minute to > get a new email account on any of a bazillion free email > servers. So, I block briert at cepu.ca, and your next > move is to become Timmy12386 at hotmail.com..... and > you're back in. The obvious solution is to restrict posting to subscribers. You get a lot of messages in the managment queue, but that's a (very) small price to pay. david From pjs at isnc.net Wed Oct 10 23:31:08 2001 From: pjs at isnc.net (pjs) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:31:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Worth upgrading from 2.0.6 to 2.1a2 ? Message-ID: <001701c151d2$e046e890$0411a8c0@antares> Hi, Relatively new list member here. I am quite impressed with Mailman 2.0.6, and was wondering if upgrading to 2.1a2 would be worthwile. I see the web site makes reference to it being an "alpha" version and not suitable for production environments, but I'd like to try it if it were stable enough. If anyone can share their experiences with 2.1a2, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Peter From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Oct 10 23:41:32 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:41:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <001601c151bf$d0ea3d60$034265d1@philip> References: <001601c151bf$d0ea3d60$034265d1@philip> Message-ID: <20011010174132.A3769@mems-exchange.org> On 10 October 2001, Philip Arthur said: > Are you allowed to attach images to your emails that go out from the > list? Assuming you're already running a Mailman server, why don't you try it on a test list and see what happens? (Hint: it should work; Mailman doesn't look at MIME headers or attachments.) Greg From gward at mems-exchange.org Wed Oct 10 23:45:16 2001 From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:45:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question regarding MailMan settings... In-Reply-To: <20011010212101.77011.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20011010212101.77011.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20011010174516.B3769@mems-exchange.org> On 10 October 2001, Shaheeb Roshan said: > I am curious about the MailMan script i downloaded > from Python.org. Is there anyway to configure it so > that when someone on the list recieves a message I > broadcast to the list, they see "To: " field contain > their own address? No. Doing it that way would require creating a separate message for each subscriber, greatly increasing the storage and bandwidth overhead of running a large list. (One mailing list manager that does work that way is Dan Bernstein's ezmlm, which is designed to work with qmail. See www.qmail.org.) Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward at mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM Thu Oct 11 00:00:09 2001 From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:00:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Worth upgrading from 2.0.6 to 2.1a2 ? References: <001701c151d2$e046e890$0411a8c0@antares> Message-ID: <3BC4C4E8.6F774BAB@utopia.west.sun.com> After the last round of fixes, I'm finding it pretty stable. I would think it's a lot better at not dying on slower machines (although I have a fast server again so it's not so bad). I really like some of the new admin features (the 'search for subscriber by RE' alone is nearly worth it to me). pjs wrote: > > Hi, > > Relatively new list member here. I am quite impressed with Mailman > 2.0.6, and was wondering if upgrading to 2.1a2 would be worthwile. > I see the web site makes reference to it being an "alpha" version > and not suitable for production environments, but I'd like to try > it if it were stable enough. > > If anyone can share their experiences with 2.1a2, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Peter > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jwblist at olympus.net Thu Oct 11 00:36:04 2001 From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:36:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading Prob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:00 -0500 10/10/2001, Sharif Islam wrote: >I am using Python 1.5.2 and sendmail,apache . I recently upgraded from Red >Hat 7.0 to 7.1 The RedHat upgrade process *probably* set your existing apache configuration file aside and installed a fresh one. Check the update documentation for the extension which it added to the configuration file. Compare the two files, and copy what needs to be copied into the live file...after making a copy of the file as installed. It will be /etc/httpd/httpd.conf unless you went to some trouble to move it. --John -- John Baxter jwblist at olympus.net Port Ludlow, WA, USA From anthony at embracenetworks.com Thu Oct 11 04:07:11 2001 From: anthony at embracenetworks.com (Anthony Mendoza) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:07:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick text format question Message-ID: <3BC4FECF.6010602@embracenetworks.com> I've searched everywhere and through some of the archives, but didn't find an answer to this: How do I format an auto-response? I would like to include the following at the end of the auto response: Thank you, Embrace Networks, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-585-5600 www.embracenetworks.com But if I use this format or import a file where the message body + signature is formatted properly it comes out like this: Thank you, Embrace Networks, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-585-5600 www.embracenetworks.com or Thank you, Embrace Networks, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-585-5600 www.embracenetworks.com Is there a special tag that works like a carriage return? -- Anthony Mendoza IT Guy anthony at embracenetworks.com t: 408-585-5612 / c: 310-594-3222 p: 888-886-7205 / f: 208-247-5501 From Dana at GreenGoblin.com Wed Oct 3 19:52:15 2001 From: Dana at GreenGoblin.com (Dana W. Johnson) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:52:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.6 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011003124943.00a74c60@mail.greengoblin.com> I am using RedHat Linux 7.1 and have updated to the latest versions. I am using 2.0.6 of Mailman, not the version that comes with RedHat 7.1 I had to add the 'mail' user to the 'mailman' group in order for the requests to be processed. I didn't see this anywhere in the documentation and it took me a little while to figure out the best approach. You might want to add that to the README.SENDMAIL file. Dana From gclemm at rational.com Thu Oct 11 04:34:08 2001 From: gclemm at rational.com (Clemm, Geoff) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:34:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I auto-reply to non-subscriber postings (and not have to go to the administration page)? Message-ID: <3906C56A7BD1F54593344C05BD1374B10488C3D1@SUS-MA1IT01> I am the administrator of a Mailman list, and would like to have the system auto-reply to non-subscriber postings, rather than my having to go to the administrative page. Otherwise, each piece of spam to the list wastes a significant amount of my time. I read all the documentation I could find, and none of the auto-reply features seem to do what I want (unless auto-reply with discard to -request would do it? ... it doesn't seem to though). Thanks! Geoff Clemm From Berean at C-Squad.org Thu Oct 11 05:59:20 2001 From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:59:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem is #%$ me off Message-ID: Mailman has been behaving erratically ever since I started the new list. here's the list of problems: Some people subscribed to the list have never received the welcome message Some people send posts but they never get through (no error messages either) As a result postings sent are not received by anyone. I recently sent two postings to my list but neither of them have shown up or been received by other list members. I didnt have a problem before, and didnt change any settings. Through all this, Mailman doesnt report any errors, and I dont get any undeliverable mail messages. I waited days but still nothing shows up. What's going on? Did I make a corrupted list, in which cae Id have to create a whole new list? My suspicion was I overloaded Mailman by mass subscribng too many people (300) at once. Anyone ever experience this? Appreciate any help. Frank Pagano (The Berean) Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 ICQ#: 98723297 AOL Screen Name: Berean333 Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek ****************************************** "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Frank Pagano (The Berean) Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Oct 11 05:59:25 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick text format question In-Reply-To: <3BC4FECF.6010602@embracenetworks.com> References: <3BC4FECF.6010602@embracenetworks.com> Message-ID: <01101023592501.01004@anncons.nc.rr.com> You might want to try using the html tags that specify "leave the text and formating alone. I think that is : 
Thank you,
Embrace Networks, Inc.
Sunnyvale, CA  94086
408-585-5600
www.embracenetworks.com
Give it a shot! Jon Carnes === > How do I format an auto-response? > > I would like to include the following at the end of the auto response: > > Thank you, > Embrace Networks, Inc. > Sunnyvale, CA 94086 > 408-585-5600 > www.embracenetworks.com > > But if I use this format or import a file where the message body + > signature is formatted properly it comes out like this: > > Thank you, > > Embrace Networks, Inc. > > Sunnyvale, CA 94086 > > 408-585-5600 > > www.embracenetworks.com > > or > > Thank you, Embrace Networks, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408-585-5600 > www.embracenetworks.com > > Is there a special tag that works like a carriage return? From jonc at nc.rr.com Thu Oct 11 06:38:08 2001 From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:38:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem is #%$ me off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01101100380802.01004@anncons.nc.rr.com> What happens when you "su mailman" and then run qrunner manually (look at the crontab for the exact command line to run)? Make sure your crontab *is* running. A couple of weeks ago, a subscriber had a very similar problem and it was caused by his crontab not running. Mailman does not run its own deamon but instead uses cron to kick off scripts on a scheduled basis. Jon Carnes BTW: I have subscribed up to 600 folks in single go (using the Admin interface) with no problems. Next time, you might find it easier to use the command line: sync_members (but its all good!) === On Wednesday 10 October 2001 23:59, The Berean wrote: > Mailman has been behaving erratically ever since I started the new list. > > here's the list of problems: > > Some people subscribed to the list have never received the welcome > message Some people send posts but they never get through (no error > messages either) As a result postings sent are not received by anyone. > > I recently sent two postings to my list but neither of them have shown up > or been received by other list members. I didnt have a problem before, > and didnt change any settings. Through all this, Mailman doesnt report > any errors, and I dont get any undeliverable mail messages. I waited > days but still nothing shows up. > > What's going on? Did I make a corrupted list, in which cae Id have to > create a whole new list? My suspicion was I overloaded Mailman by mass > subscribng too many people (300) at once. > > Anyone ever experience this? Appreciate any help. > > > Frank Pagano (The Berean) > Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org > Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076 > ICQ#: 98723297 > AOL Screen Name: Berean333 > Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek > ****************************************** > "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a > little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > --Benjamin Franklin, 1759 > > > Frank Pagano (The Berean) > Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org) > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From nb at thinkcoach.com Thu Oct 11 08:31:38 2001 From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:31:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user question - disappearing mail In-Reply-To: <200110102023.f9AKNhM23623@home.knm.org> (message from Mark Lehrer on Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:23:43 -0600) References: <200110102023.f9AKNhM23623@home.knm.org> Message-ID: <200110110631.f9B6Vct03746@quill.local> > Hello. I am setting up mailman and qmail. I have qmail working fine, > but I am having trouble with mailman - any messages sent to the > aliases simply disappear, with no description of what the error may > have been. The only message I have found is in logs/post: > > Oct 10 13:58:01 2001 (13488) post to foo from root at tinyterm.com, size=6, 1 failures > > In this case, I created a new mailing list called "foo". Then I added > the lines to /etc/aliases and ran newaliases. What 'newaliases' program? (Not the one that is part of the sendmail MTA I hope :-) You may need to re-read the qmail docs.... if after that you still need help, please tell me the contents of your relevant .qmail files, your tcprules, and what (if anything) the maillog says. Greetings, Norbert. -- A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet (near Zurich, Switzerland) Tel +41 1 972 20 59 Fax +41 1 972 20 69 http://thinkcoach.com Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month http://cisto.com From valites at geneseo.edu Thu Oct 11 16:14:42 2001 From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:14:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman thinks accounts are invalid Message-ID: <3BC5A952.2050409@geneseo.edu> I have recently set up solaris 5.8 machine with mailman 2.0 to do some testing for an older mailman system I use here. Today I installed sendmail -8.12.1 as my MTA. I can send mail fine to listname-owner and other aliases, but I am having problems sending mail to the list alias. I have a test list set up with myself as the only member. After I send mail to the list, I get errors in ~mailman/logs/bounce in this format: Oct 11 09:52:01 2001 (4409) LISTNAME: testuser at testdomain - 3 more allowed over 431450 secs, where LISTNAME, testuser, and testdomain are all real values. For the first three time this happens, the number (3 in the example) decreases until it hits zero. The next message to the bounce file is: Date.... (4413) LISTNAME: disabled username at domain - exceeded limits I also get the following in ~mailman/logs/smtp: Date.... (4409) All recipients refused:553, '5.1.3 ... Hostname required', 'test-admin@') Date.... (4409) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.084 seconds And I have to go in through the web admin interface and enable mail back to myself, since it gets checked to nomail. I get no messages by way of syslog for mail, but I still have a feeling the problem is with my MTA and not mailman. 553 is invalid mailbox name. Again, I can hit the mailboxes directly, but not through mailman. Syslog shows messages destined for the list being fed to the pipe specified in /etc/mail/aliases. What causes the above symptom, and any ideas how can I fix it? From anthony at embracenetworks.com Thu Oct 11 16:26:53 2001 From: anthony at embracenetworks.com (Anthony Mendoza) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:26:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick text format question References: <3BC4FECF.6010602@embracenetworks.com> <01101023592501.01004@anncons.nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <3BC5AC2D.CD6AFC01@embracenetworks.com> 
 tags didn't do it...they just show up in the text now...

Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> You might want to try using the html tags that specify "leave the text and
> formating alone.  I think that is :
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> Embrace Networks, Inc.
> Sunnyvale, CA  94086
> 408-585-5600
> www.embracenetworks.com
> 

> 
> Give it a shot!
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ===
> > How do I format an auto-response?
> >
> > I would like to include the following at the end of the auto response:
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Embrace Networks, Inc.
> > Sunnyvale, CA  94086
> > 408-585-5600
> > www.embracenetworks.com
> >
> > But if I use this format or import a file where the message body +
> > signature is formatted properly it comes out like this:
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Embrace Networks, Inc.
> >
> > Sunnyvale, CA  94086
> >
> > 408-585-5600
> >
> > www.embracenetworks.com
> >
> > or
> >
> > Thank you, Embrace Networks, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA  94086 408-585-5600
> > www.embracenetworks.com
> >
> > Is there a special tag that works like a carriage return?

-- 
Anthony Mendoza
IT Guy
anthony at embracenetworks.com
t: 408-585-5612 / c: 310-594-3222
p: 888-886-7205 / f: 208-247-5501



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Thu Oct 11 19:15:04 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:15:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default hostname
Message-ID: <01101117150409.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

This isn't a big problem ...

I need to change the default Hostname.
The Configure options:
--build
--host
--target
didn't what is requested.

Only set this value in Default.py had the desired effect.
But is overwitten by every new instalation.



- oliver

 



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Oct 11 17:36:52 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default hostname
In-Reply-To: <01101117150409.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <01101117150409.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <20011011113652.B988@mems-exchange.org>

On 11 October 2001, Oliver Egginger said:
> This isn't a big problem ...
> 
> I need to change the default Hostname.
> The Configure options:
> --build
> --host
> --target
> didn't what is requested.

What does "./configure --help" say about those options?

> Only set this value in Default.py had the desired effect.
> But is overwitten by every new instalation.

What does INSTALL (section 5) say about mm_cfg.py?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 11 17:37:44 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:37:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman thinks accounts are invalid
In-Reply-To: <3BC5A952.2050409@geneseo.edu>
References: <3BC5A952.2050409@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <01101111374408.00986@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Thursday 11 October 2001 10:14, Mark T. Valites wrote:
> I have recently set up solaris 5.8 machine with mailman 2.0 to do some
> testing for an older mailman system I use here.  Today I installed
> sendmail -8.12.1 as my MTA.  I can send mail fine to listname-owner and
> other aliases, but I am having problems sending mail to the list alias.
>  I have a test list set up with myself as the only member.  After I send
> mail to the list, I get errors in  ~mailman/logs/bounce in this format:
>
>  Oct 11 09:52:01 2001    (4409) LISTNAME: testuser at testdomain - 3 more
> allowed over 431450 secs,

This indicates that your mail has bounced and that Mailman is going to 
allow 3 more bounces before diabling sending to this address.

>
>
> Date....  (4409) All recipients refused:553, '5.1.3 ...
> Hostname required', 'test-admin@')
> Date....  (4409) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.084 seconds
>
> And I have to go in through the web admin interface and enable mail back
> to myself, since it gets checked to nomail.
> I get no messages by way of syslog for mail, but I still have a feeling
> the problem is with my MTA and not mailman.  553 is invalid mailbox
> name.  Again, I can hit the mailboxes directly, but not through mailman.
>  Syslog shows messages destined for the list being fed to the pipe
> specified in /etc/mail/aliases.  What causes the above symptom, and any
> ideas how can I fix it?

I think this is a symptom of not filing in the field for "host name this 
list prefers" on the General Admin page.  But then I never used MM v2.0

This does sound more like a Mailman integration problem.  Apparently 
Sendmail 8.12 is much less tolerant of any misconfiguration than 8.11.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From valites at geneseo.edu  Thu Oct 11 17:49:14 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:49:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman thinks accounts are invalid
References: <3BC5A952.2050409@geneseo.edu> <01101111374408.00986@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3BC5BF7A.9090909@geneseo.edu>

Jon, thanks again for your quick response.  This did in fact fix the 
problem.

Time to fix the problem I set this machine up to test for...

Jon Carnes wrote:

>On Thursday 11 October 2001 10:14, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>
>>I have recently set up solaris 5.8 machine with mailman 2.0 to do some
>>testing for an older mailman system I use here.  Today I installed
>>sendmail -8.12.1 as my MTA.  I can send mail fine to listname-owner and
>>other aliases, but I am having problems sending mail to the list alias.
>> I have a test list set up with myself as the only member.  After I send
>>mail to the list, I get errors in  ~mailman/logs/bounce in this format:
>>
>> Oct 11 09:52:01 2001    (4409) LISTNAME: testuser at testdomain - 3 more
>>allowed over 431450 secs,
>>
>
>This indicates that your mail has bounced and that Mailman is going to 
>allow 3 more bounces before diabling sending to this address.
>
>>
>>Date....  (4409) All recipients refused:553, '5.1.3 ...
>>Hostname required', 'test-admin@')
>>Date....  (4409) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.084 seconds
>>
>>And I have to go in through the web admin interface and enable mail back
>>to myself, since it gets checked to nomail.
>>I get no messages by way of syslog for mail, but I still have a feeling
>>the problem is with my MTA and not mailman.  553 is invalid mailbox
>>name.  Again, I can hit the mailboxes directly, but not through mailman.
>> Syslog shows messages destined for the list being fed to the pipe
>>specified in /etc/mail/aliases.  What causes the above symptom, and any
>>ideas how can I fix it?
>>
>
>I think this is a symptom of not filing in the field for "host name this 
>list prefers" on the General Admin page.  But then I never used MM v2.0
>
>This does sound more like a Mailman integration problem.  Apparently 
>Sendmail 8.12 is much less tolerant of any misconfiguration than 8.11.
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>






From jfreeman at connix.com  Thu Oct 11 18:12:14 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:12:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slight technical hitch...
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have been through the FAQ and the README.SENDMAIL document and have not
found the solution I need.

I have successfully installed mailman on my linux box. I am using
sendmail.  I can create lists and hit their web pages and subscribe people
and receive subscription messages, etc.

I CANNOT send emails to the list. Here's what I get in reply:


-----------------------------snip--------------------------


The original message was received at Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400
   from nobody at localhost

      ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
   "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test"
       (reason: 2)
       (expanded from: mm-test at mysql.org)

      ----- Transcript of session follows -----
   Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
2?)
   554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test"... unknown mailer
error 2

   Reporting-MTA: dns; mysql.org
   Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400

   Final-Recipient: RFC822; mm-test at mysql.org
   X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test
   Action: failed
   Status: 5.0.0
   Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2
   Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400

-----------------------------snip---------------------------------

can anyone tell me what's wrong?

It's important (for my job) that I get this working.

Many T'sIA

J.

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                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
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From camel at lrllamas.com  Thu Oct 11 18:25:46 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive issue - more info needed
In-Reply-To: <3BC48880.8D7BB0FD@pcraft.com>
References: <200110101227.f9ACRjZ15783@camel.lrllamas.com>  <3BC48880.8D7BB0FD@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <200110111625.f9BGPqZ00737@camel.lrllamas.com>

does someone have a specific example of the correct settings
or lines in the httpd.conf file (v.8x or v.9x) - I have a feeling there needs
to be a secondary directive beyond just Alias /listname/pipermail/ 
"/var/www/mailman/archive/[public or private]/"

the physical archives are where they belong - just no one can access them...

On Wednesday 10 October 2001 01:42 pm, you wrote:
> John W Baxter wrote:
> > At 8:27 -0400 10/10/2001, Camel wrote:
> > >I'm still getting a "forbidden" accesing my archives - everything else
> > > is working just fine - any ideas (seems to be a permissions issue)
>
>     Your archives won't be "there" unless you have actually posted messages
> to the list.  And if you have posted messages, check your web server logs
> and try to find out what the error is.
>
> > Apache (in particular) "does" forbidden not only if the permissions are
> > wrong, but if it is pointed to a directory and the directory is empty.
> > Could the latter be your problem?
>
>     Not necessarily.  By default, yes.  However, if someone added the
> 'Indexes' Option to their configuration file, Apache will be just happy to
> display an empty directory for you without any problems.

-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
info/subscribe at
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From dball at wcom.ca  Thu Oct 11 18:25:29 2001
From: dball at wcom.ca (David Ball)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:25:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slight technical hitch...
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

	As the error message indicates, it's not thrilled with the GID
that it you're running the mail wrapper with.  Fixing this requires that
you rerun ./configure with the --with-mail-gid= and set it to the same GID
that your mailer uses (check your sendmail.cf...look for DefaultUser= and
use the second number).  Naturally, you'd follow this up with a `make
install` ... hope that helps!
	Check http://www.list.org/install-config.html for more details on
./configure options.

David

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have been through the FAQ and the README.SENDMAIL document and have not
> found the solution I need.
> 
> I have successfully installed mailman on my linux box. I am using
> sendmail.  I can create lists and hit their web pages and subscribe people
> and receive subscription messages, etc.
> 
> I CANNOT send emails to the list. Here's what I get in reply:
> 
> 
> -----------------------------snip--------------------------
> 
> 
> The original message was received at Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400
>    from nobody at localhost
> 
>       ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test"
>        (reason: 2)
>        (expanded from: mm-test at mysql.org)
> 
>       ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>    Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
> 2?)
>    554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test"... unknown mailer
> error 2
> 
>    Reporting-MTA: dns; mysql.org
>    Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400
> 
>    Final-Recipient: RFC822; mm-test at mysql.org
>    X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test
>    Action: failed
>    Status: 5.0.0
>    Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2
>    Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400
> 
> -----------------------------snip---------------------------------
> 
> can anyone tell me what's wrong?
> 
> It's important (for my job) that I get this working.
> 
> Many T'sIA
> 
> J.
> 
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
>                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From valites at geneseo.edu  Thu Oct 11 19:41:08 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:41:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman thinks accounts are invalid
References: <3BC5A952.2050409@geneseo.edu> <01101111374408.00986@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3BC5D9B4.9090902@geneseo.edu>

Incidently, I had installed mailman before having compile the latest 
sendmail.  The list I was testing with was also created before  the 
latest sendmail was installed.  Creating a list after the sendmail 
install automatically picked up the preferred host name, and hence, it 
did not need to be manually set.

Jon Carnes wrote:

>On Thursday 11 October 2001 10:14, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>
>>I have recently set up solaris 5.8 machine with mailman 2.0 to do some
>>testing for an older mailman system I use here.  Today I installed
>>sendmail -8.12.1 as my MTA.  I can send mail fine to listname-owner and
>>other aliases, but I am having problems sending mail to the list alias.
>> I have a test list set up with myself as the only member.  After I send
>>mail to the list, I get errors in  ~mailman/logs/bounce in this format:
>>
>> Oct 11 09:52:01 2001    (4409) LISTNAME: testuser at testdomain - 3 more
>>allowed over 431450 secs,
>>
>
>This indicates that your mail has bounced and that Mailman is going to 
>allow 3 more bounces before diabling sending to this address.
>
>>
>>Date....  (4409) All recipients refused:553, '5.1.3 ...
>>Hostname required', 'test-admin@')
>>Date....  (4409) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.084 seconds
>>
>>And I have to go in through the web admin interface and enable mail back
>>to myself, since it gets checked to nomail.
>>I get no messages by way of syslog for mail, but I still have a feeling
>>the problem is with my MTA and not mailman.  553 is invalid mailbox
>>name.  Again, I can hit the mailboxes directly, but not through mailman.
>> Syslog shows messages destined for the list being fed to the pipe
>>specified in /etc/mail/aliases.  What causes the above symptom, and any
>>ideas how can I fix it?
>>
>
>I think this is a symptom of not filing in the field for "host name this 
>list prefers" on the General Admin page.  But then I never used MM v2.0
>
>This does sound more like a Mailman integration problem.  Apparently 
>Sendmail 8.12 is much less tolerant of any misconfiguration than 8.11.
>
>Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>






From jfreeman at connix.com  Thu Oct 11 19:56:12 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] slight technical hitch...
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Thanks David,

Unfortnately,  looking at our sendmail.cf file, DefaultUser is not set..


# default UID (can be username or userid:groupid)
#O DefaultUser=mailnull


Is there a UID or GID that sendmail uses, that mailman might want in cases
like this where sendmail.cf does not indicate a specific defaultUser?

TIA,

J.



On
Thu, 11 Oct 2001, David Ball wrote:

> 	As the error message indicates, it's not thrilled with the GID
> that it you're running the mail wrapper with.  Fixing this requires that
> you rerun ./configure with the --with-mail-gid= and set it to the same GID
> that your mailer uses (check your sendmail.cf...look for DefaultUser= and
> use the second number).  Naturally, you'd follow this up with a `make
> install` ... hope that helps!
> 	Check http://www.list.org/install-config.html for more details on
> ./configure options.
> 
> David
> 
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have been through the FAQ and the README.SENDMAIL document and have not
> > found the solution I need.
> > 
> > I have successfully installed mailman on my linux box. I am using
> > sendmail.  I can create lists and hit their web pages and subscribe people
> > and receive subscription messages, etc.
> > 
> > I CANNOT send emails to the list. Here's what I get in reply:
> > 
> > 
> > -----------------------------snip--------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > The original message was received at Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400
> >    from nobody at localhost
> > 
> >       ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> >    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test"
> >        (reason: 2)
> >        (expanded from: mm-test at mysql.org)
> > 
> >       ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >    Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
> > 2?)
> >    554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test"... unknown mailer
> > error 2
> > 
> >    Reporting-MTA: dns; mysql.org
> >    Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400
> > 
> >    Final-Recipient: RFC822; mm-test at mysql.org
> >    X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mm-test
> >    Action: failed
> >    Status: 5.0.0
> >    Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2
> >    Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:01:49 -0400
> > 
> > -----------------------------snip---------------------------------
> > 
> > can anyone tell me what's wrong?
> > 
> > It's important (for my job) that I get this working.
> > 
> > Many T'sIA
> > 
> > J.
> > 
> >          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> >            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
> >                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
> >                           http://www.threeofus.com
> >                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 

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From bondu at iowalab.com  Thu Oct 11 20:12:16 2001
From: bondu at iowalab.com (Daniel Bondurant)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:12:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysql and mailman
Message-ID: <986FC783824E2E43809EB0AB9ABC23120B637A@mail.iowalab.com>

Is there anyway to tie in the userlist for a mailing list with mysql?
I need to keep track contact information, along with the email
address/name.

when a user deletes themself from a list, I need to also delete them
from the database.
I'm sure this issue has been dicussed before, so If someone would point
me in the right direction, I'm sure I can figure it out.

thanks



From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Oct 11 20:16:02 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:16:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive issue - more info needed
References: <200110101227.f9ACRjZ15783@camel.lrllamas.com>  <3BC48880.8D7BB0FD@pcraft.com> <200110111625.f9BGPqZ00737@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <3BC5E1E2.772B3734@pcraft.com>

Camel wrote:

> does someone have a specific example of the correct settings
> or lines in the httpd.conf file (v.8x or v.9x) - I have a feeling there needs
> to be a secondary directive beyond just Alias /listname/pipermail/
> "/var/www/mailman/archive/[public or private]/"
>
> the physical archives are where they belong - just no one can access them...

    This is from my (custom) install for lists.yeehaw.net.  Note that you do not
need the DocumentRoot directive per se.  I just have it in there because I have
other stuff going on.  The same goes for the /errors Alias and Directory option.

ServerAdmin mailman at lists.yeehaw.net
DocumentRoot /usr/people/mailman/lists.yeehaw.net/www/
ServerName lists.yeehaw.net
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/people/mailman/lists.yeehaw.net/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/people/mailman/lists.yeehaw.net/archives/public/"
Alias /icons/ "/usr/people/mailman/lists.yeehaw.net/www/icons/"

 Options FollowSymLinks
 AllowOverride None

Alias /errors/ "/usr/people/mailman/lists.yeehaw.net/www/errors/"

  Options Includes

ErrorDocument 500 /errors/500.shtml
ErrorDocument 404 /errors/404.shtml
ErrorDocument 403 /errors/403.shtml
ErrorLog logs/errors_log.lists.yeehaw.net
CustomLog logs/access_log.lists.yeehaw.net combined

    Also, make sure the permissions on those directories (archives,
archives/private, and archives/public) are set properly.

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From sketchified at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 20:28:49 2001
From: sketchified at yahoo.com (Sketch Ified)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:28:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20011011182849.60335.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>

I recently had a problem pop up with sending out
digests.  Some of my mailing list users receive
multiple copies of the same digest.  I have not had
this problem before now.  Does anyone know what causes
this?  Can I reset something to stop it and then start
it back up?  Thanks!

__________________________________________________
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Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
http://personals.yahoo.com



From jwblist at olympus.net  Thu Oct 11 20:40:31 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:40:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default hostname
In-Reply-To: <01101117150409.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <01101117150409.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: 

At 17:15 +0000 10/11/2001, Oliver Egginger wrote:
>Only set this value in Default.py had the desired effect.
>But is overwitten by every new instalation.

Which is why the file mm_cfg.py is provided.  Its contents override the
stuff in Defaults.py, and it is left alone by the Mailman-recommended
installation of a new Mailman.

--John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jfreeman at connix.com  Thu Oct 11 20:49:00 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:49:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem solved
Message-ID: 

DOH!

I was forgetting the '=' sign in my --with-mail-gid argument to
./configure.

I think things are working fine now...

Thanks!

cheers,

J.

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
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                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
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From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Thu Oct 11 20:53:44 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:53:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem is #%$ me off
In-Reply-To: <01101100380802.01004@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: 
Message-ID: <3BC59658.24767.74E1D3@localhost>

On 11 Oct 2001 at 0:38, Jon Carnes wrote:

> BTW: I have subscribed up to 600 folks in single go (using the Admin
> interface) with no problems.  Next time, you might find it easier to
> use the command line: sync_members (but its all good!)

I hadn't thought about the sync_members, so I just 
re-created all my lists when I started using Mailman 
with the web interface.  

My largest list was a little over 3,000 users.  The web 
interface worked very well.  I was amazed that cut and 
paste on the Windoze machine could handle that large 
a block, and that InternetExploiter didn't choke.

Mike
-- 
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* Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other 
way *

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Is that my phone bill or the national debt?





From tschan+mailman at devzone.ch  Thu Oct 11 21:40:00 2001
From: tschan+mailman at devzone.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Daniel_Tschan?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:40:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Life_lock?=
Message-ID: <32841.217.162.16.83.1002829200.squirrel@www.devzone.ch>

Hi

Today i tried to send a mail to a mailman mailing list containg about
100'000 members. It failed miserably. After about 100 Mails the first
bounces returned. Because the list was still locked by qrunner, mailowner
blocked. Apparently it waited for the release of the lock using busy
waiting. After about 20 bounces the load was so high that sendmail started
rejecting connections, which caused qrunner to block. Although there is a
time limit for qrunner it never quit. A perfect life lock. I stopped the
whole thing, reduced the time limit for qrunner, increased the time between
qrunner starts and disabled sendmail load limitations. But this dind't
really help, it only delayed the problem. And to make things worse some user
s received the mail multiple times.
Now I sit here with a half sent mailing and some annoyed users. What can I
do to send the rest of the mailing?

Some facts about the environment:
Red Hat Linux 7.1 on a dual Pentium III 733
Kernel 2.4.4
ReiserFS 3.6.25
Python 2.2
Sendmail 8.11.6
Mailman 2.0.6

Daniel







From jimmy at merl.com  Thu Oct 11 21:45:36 2001
From: jimmy at merl.com (Jimmy McDonald)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:45:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searchable archives?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011103248.00aa19f0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011010123609.068b3278@mail.merl.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011011154208.02d55a78@mail.merl.com>

I have a couple more questions before I start trying this out.

The mailman server is an internal server and cannot
be accessed from the outside world so I plan to
push the archives outside the firewall every night.

If I install mailman with the htdig patch on my web
server (and not run sendmail) will this work or does the
htdig information get processed as a message is archived?
If so, can the htdig database be pushed as well?

Thanks,
Jimmy


>>I have a mailman list that keeps archives and
>>someone wants me to make those archives
>>searchable via a web browser.
>>
>>Is there a way mailman can do this?
>>Any other thoughts?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search 
>engine with Mailman.
>
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103
>
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103
>
>The main features of the patch, from its sourceforge summary are:
>
>1. per list search facility with a search form on the
>list's TOC page.
>
>2. maintenance of privacy of private archives which
>requires the user to establish their credentials via
>the normal private archive access before any access
>via htdig is allowed.
>
>3. a common base URL for both public and private
>archive access via htsearch results so that htdig
>indices are unaffected by changing an archive from
>private to public and vice versa. All access to
>archives via htdig is controlled by a new wrapped cgi-
>bin script called htdig.py.
>
>4. a new cron activated script and extra crontab entry
>which runs htdig regularly to maintain the per list
>search indices.
>
>5. automatic creation, deletion and maintenance of
>htdig configuration files and such. Beyond installing
>htdig and telling Mailman where it is via mm_cfg you
>do not have to do any other setup. Well not quite you
>do have to set up a single per installation symlink to
>allow htdig to find the automatically generated per
>list htdig configuration files.
>




From tmbrau00 at centre.edu  Thu Oct 11 21:05:33 2001
From: tmbrau00 at centre.edu (Timothy M. Brauch)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archived Message Attachements
Message-ID: <2789.10.4.1.31.1002827133.squirrel@titan.centre.edu>

Is there an easy way to get attachments of messages from an archive of the 
sent messages.  For example, another group I am on has their messages 
archived.  Someone sent a Word document as an attachment.  I would like to 
be able to get that Word document from the archives, but the archives print 
it out as ASCII code.

 - Tim




From jfreeman at connix.com  Thu Oct 11 22:02:40 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't othe people see the listinfo/ page?
Message-ID: 

OK.

I'm at my company, working all day on our remote server at rackspace.

With help from a couple people here, I get Mailman up and running...

I'm able to send emails to the list and the emails get distributed.

but something REALLY WIERD is occuring.

I can go to http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/ from here BUT NO ONE
ELSE can get to anything after http://www.mysql.org/mailman/  !!!

Why would that be?  where would the control for this soft of thing live?
in mailman?  in apache?.. sendmail?  where????

Please, please help.

Thanks!

J.

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From jfreeman at connix.com  Thu Oct 11 22:02:40 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't othe people see the listinfo/ page?
Message-ID: 

OK.

I'm at my company, working all day on our remote server at rackspace.

With help from a couple people here, I get Mailman up and running...

I'm able to send emails to the list and the emails get distributed.

but something REALLY WIERD is occuring.

I can go to http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/ from here BUT NO ONE
ELSE can get to anything after http://www.mysql.org/mailman/  !!!

Why would that be?  where would the control for this soft of thing live?
in mailman?  in apache?.. sendmail?  where????

Please, please help.

Thanks!

J.

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-





From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Thu Oct 11 22:58:53 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 11 Oct 2001 17:58:53 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] internationalization
In-Reply-To: <3BC43F39.535BDE7F@simicro-internet.mg>
References: <3BC43F39.535BDE7F@simicro-internet.mg>
Message-ID: <1002833948.3460.1.camel@claudia>

En Wed, 2001-10-10 a 09:29, Do-Risika RAFIEFERANTSIARONJY escribio:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Is there a new about the mailman internationalization ?(particularly i
> would be interested on a french version)
> 

subscribe   mailman-i18n at 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From tschan at puzzle.ch  Thu Oct 11 20:46:13 2001
From: tschan at puzzle.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Daniel_Tschan?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:46:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Life_lock?=
Message-ID: <33693.217.162.16.83.1002825973.squirrel@www.devzone.ch>

Hi

Today i tried to send a mail to a mailman mailing list containg about
100'000 members. It failed miserably. After about 100 Mails the first
bounces returned. Because the list was still locked by qrunner, mailowner
blocked. Apparently it waited for the release of the lock using busy
waiting. After about 20 bounces the load was so high that sendmail started
rejecting connections, which caused qrunner to block. Although there is a
time limit for qrunner it never quit. A perfect life lock. I stopped the
whole thing, reduced the time limit for qrunner, increased the time between
qrunner starts and disabled sendmail load limitations. But this dind't
really help, it only delayed the problem. And to make things worse some user
s received the mail multiple times.
Now I sit here with a half sent mailing and some annoyed users. What can I
do to send the rest of the mailing?

Some facts about the environment:
Red Hat Linux 7.1 on a dual Pentium III 733
Kernel 2.4.4
ReiserFS 3.6.25
Python 2.2
Sendmail 8.11.6
Mailman 2.0.6

Daniel






From spades at galaxynet.org  Thu Oct 11 22:24:37 2001
From: spades at galaxynet.org (Spades)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 04:24:37 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing some lines in normal emails (mailman2.0.6)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20011012042436.022791d4@smtp.magix.com.sg>

How do I get rid of all these headers on the mailman 2.0.6 mailing list mail?

Thanks, please let me know.

Reply-To: net at globel.net
List-Help: 
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,
	
List-Id: Globel Net Mailing List 
List-Unsubscribe: ,
	
List-Archive: 

Spades



From chris.campbell at home.com  Thu Oct 11 23:08:31 2001
From: chris.campbell at home.com (Chris Campbell)
Date: 11 Oct 2001 14:08:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working entirely -- "NameError: y"
Message-ID: <1002834511.1076.26.camel@deckard>

I installed Mailman 2.0 in November of last year and it has been working
reliably since then -- until this morning.  The error log complains of
"insecure string pickle", "NameError: y" and corrupt archives.  I can't
send mail to any of our lists or view any of the archives.  Mailman has
been rendered completely useless!

When I try to send mail to a list on our site, it bounces with this:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post esp-dev"
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 33, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 47, in ?
    from Mailman.SecurityManager import SecurityManager
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 1, in ?
    # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
NameError: y
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post esp-dev"... unknown mailer error 1
...


And when I try to view the archives, admin pages, etc., I get this:

-----
Bug in Mailman version 2.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
-----


I've put a copy of the error log online here:

  http://mercdev.mercurial.st/mailman-error.txt

I'm hoping I can rectify this soon, because our office kind of depends
on these lists to be working.

I've tried doing web searches for "insecure string pickle" and
"NameError: y", but it doesn't come up with anything very helpful.

Any help or tips would be greatly appreciated.  I can provide further
information if that's required...

Thanks,
--Chris




From jimmy at mtc.dhs.org  Thu Oct 11 23:15:06 2001
From: jimmy at mtc.dhs.org (Terminator)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:15:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q: Sendmail error: Wanted Gid 12, Got Gid 2
Message-ID: 

I'm a new user of mailman, and need help. I run mailman with Sendmail
8.11.6. Now when I try to reply the subscribe confirm mail to mailman,
I get error with the following log of sendmail:

Oct 11 13:58:18 www sendmail[3357]: f9BKwIr03357: from=jimmy, size=428, class=0,
 nrcpts=1, msgid=, rela
y=jimmy at localhost
Oct 11 13:58:18 www Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12,
 GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
Oct 11 13:58:18 www sendmail[3357]: f9BKwIr03357: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrappe
r mailcmd test-mailman", ctladdr= (2/0), delay
=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30428, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mail
er error 2
Oct 11 13:58:18 www sendmail[3357]: f9BKwIr03357: f9BKwIs03357: DSN: unknown mai
ler error 2
Oct 11 13:58:18 www sendmail[3357]: f9BKwIs03357: to=jimmy, delay=00:00:00, xdel
ay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30528, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent


And sendmail also returns me a mail with the following message:

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; www.mtc.dhs.org
Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:58:18 -0700

Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-mailman-request at mtc.dhs.org
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test-mailman
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:58:18 -0700


Thanks for any hint!

Jimmy
____________________________________________________________
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Web : www.mtc.dhs.org             ICQ : 19587415

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for ourselves.             - Terminator II, Judgement Day
____________________________________________________________





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Oct 11 23:40:31 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:40:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't othe people see the listinfo/ page?
References: 
Message-ID: <008b01c1529d$59c5e890$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Sounds like a rights issue for the website.  "mailman" is a cgi-bin for your
Apache...

# Added for use by Mailman scripts
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"


    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all


The rights to that directory should be:
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Jan  9  2001 cgi-bin

and the rights to listinfo (in that directory) should be:
-rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30782 Jan  9  2001 listinfo

Hope this helps,

Jon Carnes
===
> OK.
>
> I'm at my company, working all day on our remote server at rackspace.
>
> With help from a couple people here, I get Mailman up and running...
>
> I'm able to send emails to the list and the emails get distributed.
>
> but something REALLY WIERD is occuring.
>
> I can go to http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/ from here BUT NO ONE
> ELSE can get to anything after http://www.mysql.org/mailman/  !!!
>
> Why would that be?  where would the control for this soft of thing live?
> in mailman?  in apache?.. sendmail?  where????
>
> Please, please help.
>
> Thanks!
>
> J.
>
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com
>                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gwolosh at njit.edu  Thu Oct 11 23:42:07 2001
From: gwolosh at njit.edu (Gedaliah Wolosh)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:42:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Output from "cron" command (fwd)
Message-ID: 

I get the following output from the checkdbs script.  Any help on this would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks

_________________________________________________________________
Gedaliah Wolosh, Ph.D.				973 596-5437
New Jersey Institute of Technology		Fax 596-2306
323 King Blvd 	GITC 2203			gwolosh at njit.edu
Newark, NJ 07102


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:00:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mailman Account 
To: mailman at listserver.njit.edu
Subject: Output from "cron" command

Your "cron" job on listserver.njit.edu
/usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs

produced the following output:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
    self.__opendb()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Oct 11 23:48:12 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:48:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Life lock
References: <33693.217.162.16.83.1002825973.squirrel@www.devzone.ch>
Message-ID: <009d01c1529e$6d13d050$0b04010a@JCARNES>

split the list into sub lists, use an umbrella list to send to them all.
Get a machine with a faster processor and better disk subsystem.  The
problem could be due to some built in timeouts, and anything that speeds up
the process is going to aid you.

For now, you will have to use your sendmail logs to grep for the message id
(you should be able to play around and figure that out from the logs), and
then grep for "sent" out of the attempts in your log for that message.
Assume those folks got the email and create another list without those
folks.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Tschan" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:46 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Life lock


> Hi
>
> Today i tried to send a mail to a mailman mailing list containg about
> 100'000 members. It failed miserably. After about 100 Mails the first
> bounces returned. Because the list was still locked by qrunner, mailowner
> blocked. Apparently it waited for the release of the lock using busy
> waiting. After about 20 bounces the load was so high that sendmail started
> rejecting connections, which caused qrunner to block. Although there is a
> time limit for qrunner it never quit. A perfect life lock. I stopped the
> whole thing, reduced the time limit for qrunner, increased the time
between
> qrunner starts and disabled sendmail load limitations. But this dind't
> really help, it only delayed the problem. And to make things worse some
user
> s received the mail multiple times.
> Now I sit here with a half sent mailing and some annoyed users. What can I
> do to send the rest of the mailing?
>
> Some facts about the environment:
> Red Hat Linux 7.1 on a dual Pentium III 733
> Kernel 2.4.4
> ReiserFS 3.6.25
> Python 2.2
> Sendmail 8.11.6
> Mailman 2.0.6
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Oct 11 23:57:17 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:57:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysql and mailman
References: <986FC783824E2E43809EB0AB9ABC23120B637A@mail.iowalab.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c1529f$b1ee59b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

There is no true integration with Mysql (though rumor has it that this may
change in the near future...); however, you can use a couple of procedures
to build a "bridge" between Mailman's database and your Mysql database.

If you check the archives for the past month, you'll see some suggestions.

You can use the following Mailman commands to keep the databases in sync:
  list_members - print out the email addresses in a list
  sync_members - compare current members to a text file of email addresses
and add unique folks from the file to the Mailman list.

Good Luck.  You might want to write up what you do and release it as a
HowTo, since this question seems to be popping up quite a bit.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Bondurant" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysql and mailman


> Is there anyway to tie in the userlist for a mailing list with mysql?
> I need to keep track contact information, along with the email
> address/name.
>
> when a user deletes themself from a list, I need to also delete them
> from the database.
> I'm sure this issue has been dicussed before, so If someone would point
> me in the right direction, I'm sure I can figure it out.
>
> thanks
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Fri Oct 12 00:00:45 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:00:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
In-Reply-To: <1002833948.3460.1.camel@claudia>
References: <3BC43F39.535BDE7F@simicro-internet.mg>
Message-ID: <3BC5C22D.22546.12020C2@localhost>

I'd like to change the name of a Mailman hosted 
mailing list.  The only way I see to do that is to delete 
it and start over, but I really don't want to do that.

Is there a clean way to rename a mailing list?

Thanks,
Mike
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 12 00:06:57 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:06:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archived Message Attachements
In-Reply-To: <2789.10.4.1.31.1002827133.squirrel@titan.centre.edu>
References: <2789.10.4.1.31.1002827133.squirrel@titan.centre.edu>
Message-ID: <20011011180657.A17289@mems-exchange.org>

On 11 October 2001, Timothy M. Brauch said:
> Is there an easy way to get attachments of messages from an archive of the 
> sent messages.  For example, another group I am on has their messages 
> archived.  Someone sent a Word document as an attachment.  I would like to 
> be able to get that Word document from the archives, but the archives print 
> it out as ASCII code.

Extract the complete message (from one "From " line to the next) and
write it to a file.  Load it into any decent MUA -- I would use mutt.
Use the MUA to extract the attachment of interest.

        Greg



From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Oct 12 00:05:47 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:05:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
References: <3BC43F39.535BDE7F@simicro-internet.mg> <3BC5C22D.22546.12020C2@localhost>
Message-ID: <3BC617BB.54129C6B@pcraft.com>

Mike Avery wrote:

> I'd like to change the name of a Mailman hosted
> mailing list.  The only way I see to do that is to delete
> it and start over, but I really don't want to do that.
>
> Is there a clean way to rename a mailing list?

    I've never tried this, however others have claimed to be able to do
this by simple renaming the aliases, renaming the list directories and
archive names, and then setting the name correctly in the
configuration.  I'd say backup that list before you start fiddling with
it. :)

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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 12 00:14:25 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:14:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing some lines in normal emails (mailman2.0.6)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20011012042436.022791d4@smtp.magix.com.sg>
References: <3.0.32.20011012042436.022791d4@smtp.magix.com.sg>
Message-ID: <20011011181425.C17289@mems-exchange.org>

On 12 October 2001, Spades said:
> How do I get rid of all these headers on the mailman 2.0.6 mailing list mail?

AFAIK there are only two options:
  * hack Mailman to not emit those headers
  * tweak your MTAs config to remove them

Pick your poison...

        Greg
-- 
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From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Oct 12 00:46:47 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:46:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unwanted subscriptions.
References: <200110102130.f9ALU6H26121@linux.midrange.com>
Message-ID: <3BC62157.F16E47E2@auntminnie.com>

David Gibbs wrote:

> > > Is there a way to ban a certain e-mail from subscribing to a list?
> > Yeah, but it's a waste of time and effort for
> > determined troublemakers.  It takes about a minute to
> > get a new email account on any of a bazillion free email
> > servers.  So, I block briert at cepu.ca, and your next
> > move is to become Timmy12386 at hotmail.com..... and
> > you're back in.
>
> The obvious solution is to restrict posting to subscribers.

Well and good for dodoheads sending messages to your list when they're not
subscribed -- BUT that doesn't keep a dodohead from subscribing himself to
the list anytime he fancies and then posting to his little dodo heart's
desire until you catch up with him and filet him and grill him for
lunch...

To firm up the defenses a little, one might also want to require moderator
approval for subscription, not just for posts. That way he can't wreak
havoc on your list unless you let him in the door.

Of course, that still won't stop Mr. Dodo from going out and making
himself over as imaniceguy at hotmail.com and subsequently fooling you into
letting him come in, but at least it's a start. :-)

=)
Amanda




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 12 01:26:56 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:26:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out monthly membership reminder?
Message-ID: <200110112326.QAA06682@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

It's a crontab entry, right?

> Is there?




From jfreeman at connix.com  Fri Oct 12 01:32:05 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:32:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't othe people see the listinfo/ page?
In-Reply-To: <008b01c1529d$59c5e890$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: 

THAT WAS IT... actually, one of my colleagues and I got together and
figured it out.. but thanks a million Jon.. HUGELY helpful!

cheers,

J.

On Thu, 11 Oct
2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Sounds like a rights issue for the website.  "mailman" is a cgi-bin for your
> Apache...
> 
> # Added for use by Mailman scripts
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> 
> 
>     AllowOverride None
>     Options ExecCGI
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> 
> 
> The rights to that directory should be:
> drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Jan  9  2001 cgi-bin
> 
> and the rights to listinfo (in that directory) should be:
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30782 Jan  9  2001 listinfo
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ===
> > OK.
> >
> > I'm at my company, working all day on our remote server at rackspace.
> >
> > With help from a couple people here, I get Mailman up and running...
> >
> > I'm able to send emails to the list and the emails get distributed.
> >
> > but something REALLY WIERD is occuring.
> >
> > I can go to http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/ from here BUT NO ONE
> > ELSE can get to anything after http://www.mysql.org/mailman/  !!!
> >
> > Why would that be?  where would the control for this soft of thing live?
> > in mailman?  in apache?.. sendmail?  where????
> >
> > Please, please help.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > J.
> >
> >          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> >            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com
> >                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
> >                           http://www.threeofus.com
> >                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From pjs at isnc.net  Fri Oct 12 04:08:15 2001
From: pjs at isnc.net (pjs)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:08:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing 2.1a2
Message-ID: <001101c152c2$c3d67770$0411a8c0@antares>

Hi,

I'm trying to run a "make install" on 2.1a2 on a Redhat 7.1 box,
but am running into an error before the 'make install' completes.
Here is the last few lines of the output:

Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ...
Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ...
Compiling /var/mailman2//Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ...
Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/mailbox.py ...
Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 45, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/var/mailman21//Mailman/Utils.py", line 36, in ?
    from mimelib.MsgReader import MsgReader
ImportError: No module named mimelib.MsgReader

Per the documentation, I've installed mimelib 0.6, to no
avail. 

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Pete




From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au  Fri Oct 12 04:28:50 2001
From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:28:50 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approve from CLI?
Message-ID: 

I've just upgraded my OS X box to 10.1, breaking apache badly in the
process.

While I'm rebuilding it all, is there any way that I can approve list
messages from the command line?


Cheers,

Nigel




-- 
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  Systems Administrator
ph.9385 0672:fax.9385 0624
  College of Fine Arts,
Uni of NSW,Sydney,Australia





From rob at film.calarts.edu  Fri Oct 12 05:21:29 2001
From: rob at film.calarts.edu (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:21:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "list-announce" digest goes to subscribers of "list"
Message-ID: <20011011202129.A26248@emsh.calarts.edu>

I'd like "list-announce"'s messages to be mailed to the subscribers of
"list", "list-announce" to be in digest form only.  

I was envisioning "list-announce" having just one subscriber, "list",
with the membership options ticked for digest and notmetoo, then have 
"list-announce-admin" be in "list"'s posters(privacy) list, to allow
posting.  All messages to "list-announce" are to be approved.  I don't 
want to create any loops.

mailman version 2.0.6
MTA is exim-3.33
python is 1.52

thanks.

-- 
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System Administrator                     rob at film.calarts.edu
Computer Animation Lab                        rob at alegria.com
California Institute of the Arts              




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 12 06:12:04 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't othe people see the listinfo/ page?
Message-ID: <200110120411.VAA16396@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

This, by the way, is explicitly and completely documented in 
the files you should have read before installing Mailman, and
reread before asking the mailing list...

> THAT WAS IT... actually, one of my colleagues and I got together and
> figured it out.. but thanks a million Jon.. HUGELY helpful!
> 
> cheers,
> 
> J.
> 
> On Thu, 11 Oct
> 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > Sounds like a rights issue for the website.  "mailman" is a cgi-bin for your
> > Apache...
> > 
> > # Added for use by Mailman scripts
> > ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
> > 
> > 
> >     AllowOverride None
> >     Options ExecCGI
> >     Order allow,deny
> >     Allow from all
> > 
> > 
> > The rights to that directory should be:
> > drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Jan  9  2001 cgi-bin
> > 
> > and the rights to listinfo (in that directory) should be:
> > -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30782 Jan  9  2001 listinfo
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > 
> > Jon Carnes
> > ===
> > > OK.
> > >
> > > I'm at my company, working all day on our remote server at rackspace.
> > >
> > > With help from a couple people here, I get Mailman up and running...
> > >
> > > I'm able to send emails to the list and the emails get distributed.
> > >
> > > but something REALLY WIERD is occuring.
> > >
> > > I can go to http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/ from here BUT NO ONE
> > > ELSE can get to anything after http://www.mysql.org/mailman/  !!!
> > >
> > > Why would that be?  where would the control for this soft of thing live?
> > > in mailman?  in apache?.. sendmail?  where????
> > >
> > > Please, please help.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > >          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > >            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com
> > >                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
> > >                           http://www.threeofus.com
> > >                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
>                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 12 06:13:13 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems installing 2.1a2
Message-ID: <200110120412.VAA16473@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

mimelib 0.6 doesn't really work; current CVS uses a site package
called 'email'.  If you want to be that bleeding edge, I'd use
current CVS; it's more stable.

> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to run a "make install" on 2.1a2 on a Redhat 7.1 box,
> but am running into an error before the 'make install' completes.
> Here is the last few lines of the output:
> 
> Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ...
> Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ...
> Compiling /var/mailman2//Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ...
> Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/mailbox.py ...
> Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
> Compiling /var/mailman21/Mailman/versions.py ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/update", line 45, in ?
>     from Mailman import Utils
>   File "/var/mailman21//Mailman/Utils.py", line 36, in ?
>     from mimelib.MsgReader import MsgReader
> ImportError: No module named mimelib.MsgReader
> 
> Per the documentation, I've installed mimelib 0.6, to no
> avail. 
> 
> Any pointers would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> Pete
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 12 06:16:13 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms after RPM installation
Message-ID: <200110120415.VAA16722@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

What directory are you in when you run bin/check_perms?

> Hello. I installed Mailman on a RH7.1 box with the RPM from Rawhide 
> (Mailman version 2.0.6). When I run check_perms, I'm getting the following 
> error:
> Traceback (innermost last):
>    File "bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
>      MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
> TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation
> 
> Any ideas? The lists seem to work fine, I just thought I ought to figure 
> out why this is happening.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Oct 12 06:30:37 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:30:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out 
 monthly membership reminder?
References: <200110112326.QAA06682@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <3BC671EC.A56F7E6B@pcraft.com>

Dan Mick wrote:

> It's a crontab entry, right?

    No.  RTFM.

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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 12 06:42:31 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:42:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out  monthly membership reminder?
Message-ID: <200110120441.VAA17479@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > It's a crontab entry, right?
> 
>     No.  RTFM.

It's not, eh?

Then what do you call this, in crontab.in?

# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

"RTFM" indeed!  Which M did you have in mind?




From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Oct 12 06:45:10 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:45:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out  
 monthly membership reminder?
References: <200110120441.VAA17479@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <3BC67556.6B49D6F4@pcraft.com>

Dan Mick wrote:

> It's not, eh?
>
> Then what do you call this, in crontab.in?
> # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
>
> "RTFM" indeed!  Which M did you have in mind?

    THAT, is for *every single* list on the server.  Each and every list
has its OWN flag to turn ON or OFF the monthly reminders.  Read The FINE
Manual.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 12 06:47:56 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:47:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out   monthly membership reminder?
Message-ID: <200110120447.VAA17631@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> > It's not, eh?
> >
> > Then what do you call this, in crontab.in?
> > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> >
> > "RTFM" indeed!  Which M did you have in mind?
> 
>     THAT, is for *every single* list on the server.  Each and every list
> has its OWN flag to turn ON or OFF the monthly reminders.  Read The FINE
> Manual.

Look, Ashley, turning off monthly membership reminders was the
question, and using the crontab entry is an answer.  It's not
a per-list answer, yes; that wasn't the question.

Ram your attitude.




From kdeepakin at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 07:09:55 2001
From: kdeepakin at yahoo.com (Deepak K)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sorting based on To address
Message-ID: <20011012050955.5057.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,

	I am running mailman 2.0.6 on a RedHat 7.0 machine. I
have couple of questions

I have 16 list running in this machine. Let me take
the example one of these list named config-tech. Mails
sent to the alias config-issues,
config-features,config-doc,config-usability,config-uet,config-ppt,config-design
is aliased to config-tech list. I find a very big
problem with here. i am not able to sort out mails
sent to these aliases individaully. does mailman have
the option of sorting out based on from address. i.e,
if the mails are sent to config-ppt for eg., can i
sort out all the mails at one shot. and please do not
tell me to have 6 different list instead of
config-issues.


Any ideas

thanks
K.Deepak



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From michael at firewing.org  Fri Oct 12 07:22:22 2001
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson - fw)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out   monthly membership reminder?
In-Reply-To: <200110120447.VAA17631@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: 

I'm not one to fuel arguments, but I think sometimes people get a little
short when the same questions appear over and over again and people don't
even try to help themselves before seeking help from others. I'm not saying
that's what's happening here.

I really don't think RFTM is rude--it's reality. If more people did it
there'd definitely be less general confusion and that's, in fact, what the
docs are for--issues such as this. When you see how few people even BOTHER
to try to do anything correctly simply because they know they can go ask
someone else who did bother on a list, it really makes you question why
people don't use Onelist or YahooGroups or whatever they're calling
themselves these days.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Mick
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:48 PM
To: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM; ashley at pcraft.com
Cc: balazs.lengyak at psinet.hu; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to
send out monthly membership reminder?



> > It's not, eh?
> >
> > Then what do you call this, in crontab.in?
> > # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> > 0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> >
> > "RTFM" indeed!  Which M did you have in mind?
>
>     THAT, is for *every single* list on the server.  Each and every list
> has its OWN flag to turn ON or OFF the monthly reminders.  Read The FINE
> Manual.

Look, Ashley, turning off monthly membership reminders was the
question, and using the crontab entry is an answer.  It's not
a per-list answer, yes; that wasn't the question.

Ram your attitude.


------------------------------------------------------
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 12 07:44:59 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
References: <3BC43F39.535BDE7F@simicro-internet.mg> <3BC5C22D.22546.12020C2@localhost>
Message-ID: <005201c152e1$08423340$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> I'd like to change the name of a Mailman hosted
> mailing list.  The only way I see to do that is to delete
> it and start over, but I really don't want to do that.
>
> Is there a clean way to rename a mailing list?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> --
> Mike Avery

You could just change the aliases and setup some links for the web aliasing,
that would be a workaround, but it wouldn't exactly be clean.

I would advocate creating the new list, and setting up its email aliases.
Instead of configuring the new list, use config_list -o to dump out the
configuration of the old list to file, then edit the data in that file to
reflect the name change and import the file into your new list using
config_list -i.
Next move the users over with the commands list_members (-r for regular, -d
for digest users) to dump out lists of the old members, and the command
add_members (-n for regular, -d for digest) to add members to the new list.

It's too bad the command dumpdb is not reversible, because then you could do
it in just a few steps,  dump out the contents of the old config file to a
temporary file, grep and change the old name to the new, the feed the file
back into the new mailman config.db.

Take care and good luck!

Jon Carnes




From kdeepakin at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 12 07:47:40 2001
From: kdeepakin at yahoo.com (Deepak K)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sorting based on To address
In-Reply-To: <20011012050955.5057.qmail@web11705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20011012054740.28509.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,

	a small correction. i would like to sort based on TO
address and not based on from address as wrongly said
in my earlier mail

thanks
k.deepak
--- Deepak K  wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> 	I am running mailman 2.0.6 on a RedHat 7.0 machine.
> I
> have couple of questions
> 
> I have 16 list running in this machine. Let me take
> the example one of these list named config-tech.
> Mails
> sent to the alias config-issues,
>
config-features,config-doc,config-usability,config-uet,config-ppt,config-design
> is aliased to config-tech list. I find a very big
> problem with here. i am not able to sort out mails
> sent to these aliases individaully. does mailman
> have
> the option of sorting out based on from address.
> i.e,
> if the mails are sent to config-ppt for eg., can i
> sort out all the mails at one shot. and please do
> not
> tell me to have 6 different list instead of
> config-issues.
> 
> 
> Any ideas
> 
> thanks
> K.Deepak
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
> http://personals.yahoo.com
> 
>
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>
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From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 12 08:14:11 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:14:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sorting based on To address
References: <20011012054740.28509.qmail@web11706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006401c152e5$1c41d770$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Here's a couple of ideas...

Have each of the TO addresses go to a separate account and run a Procmail
script for each account.  The .procmailrc would append the TO:"..." field to
the beginning of the Subject field - then each script would forward the mail
onto the Mailman list for delivery to the end users.

Alternatively, create several lists: many "umbrella" lists, and one main
list.  The main list would contain the email addresses of the people to whom
the aliases are supposed to go. Each umbrella list would only have one user,
the main list.

If I'm missing something, then please add more detail to your request.
Explain what you are trying to do and why.

Take care - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deepak K" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] sorting based on To address


> Dear All,
>
> a small correction. i would like to sort based on TO
> address and not based on from address as wrongly said
> in my earlier mail
>
> thanks
> k.deepak
> --- Deepak K  wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I am running mailman 2.0.6 on a RedHat 7.0 machine.
> > I
> > have couple of questions
> >
> > I have 16 list running in this machine. Let me take
> > the example one of these list named config-tech.
> > Mails
> > sent to the alias config-issues,
> >
>
config-features,config-doc,config-usability,config-uet,config-ppt,config-des
ign
> > is aliased to config-tech list. I find a very big
> > problem with here. i am not able to sort out mails
> > sent to these aliases individaully. does mailman
> > have
> > the option of sorting out based on from address.
> > i.e,
> > if the mails are sent to config-ppt for eg., can i
> > sort out all the mails at one shot. and please do
> > not
> > tell me to have 6 different list instead of
> > config-issues.
> >
> >
> > Any ideas
> >
> > thanks
> > K.Deepak
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
> > http://personals.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
> http://personals.yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 12 08:30:33 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:30:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't othe people see the listinfo/ page?
References: <200110120411.VAA16396@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <008401c152e7$655ad860$0b04010a@JCARNES>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" 
> This, by the way, is explicitly and completely documented in
> the files you should have read before installing Mailman, and
> reread before asking the mailing list...
>
Indeed it is Dan.  In fact over half the questions I see are answered in the
README or INSTALL docs for Mailman... and a good part of the other half are
answered in the Archives of this list.  Still, if Mailman is to gain
dominance in the world, it needs a user-based support group that is willing
to answer such questions.

A major part of the value of an Open Source package is the ease and speed
with which it can be installed and configured properly.  Please do keep
telling folks to read the manuals, but please add a bit more help if
possible.  For instance, you might want to create a Draft email that points
folks to a Current documentation source, and also provides a links to the
Searchable archives and the FAQ.

Take care - Jon Carnes




From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Fri Oct 12 11:48:17 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:48:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default hostname
In-Reply-To: <20011011113652.B988@mems-exchange.org>
References: <01101117150409.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <20011011113652.B988@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <0110120948170B.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Hello,

mm_cfg.py is relevant only within the list creation process.
The default host name is a very basic thing and should be set via a configure option.
I was thinking that one of the options
--build, --host or --target could do this.

If I would use mm_cfg.py instead, 
this wouldn't change the domain of the mailman-owner, and maybe there are
other difficulties. I don't know.  

But set it in the Default.py file is acceptable.
 

- oliver



Greg Ward wrote:
>
> What does INSTALL (section 5) say about mm_cfg.py?

John Baxter wrote:
> Which is why the file mm_cfg.py is provided.  Its contents override the
> stuff in Defaults.py, and it is left alone by the Mailman-recommended
> installation of a new Mailman.



From beni at cp.co.id  Fri Oct 12 09:58:47 2001
From: beni at cp.co.id (Beni Santoso)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:58:47 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email can't reach member of mailing list
Message-ID: <00f201c152f3$b947b720$0514a8c0@sap>

Hi list,

I am newbie in mailman.  I have installed mailman in Trustix Linux OS, with MTA postfix and web server Apache. The problem is  why a member of list send email to list example : test at domain.com. Email can be received by test at domain.com, but can not be received by entire member of this list.  May Anybody help me?


Regards,

Beni
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From beni at cp.co.id  Fri Oct 12 10:05:36 2001
From: beni at cp.co.id (Beni Santoso)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 15:05:36 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email cannot received by member of list
Message-ID: <011401c152f4$ad2d2780$0514a8c0@sap>

Hi list,

I am newbie in mailman.  I have installed mailman in Trustix Linux OS, =
with MTA postfix and web server Apache. The problem is  why a member of =
list send email to list example : test at domain.com. Email can be received =
by test at domain.com, but can not be received by entire member of this =
list.  May Anybody help me?


Regards,

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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Fri Oct 12 12:14:25 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 12 Oct 2001 11:14:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apparent message lossage
Message-ID: <1002881670.1007.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>

The mailman installation on exim.org has been running for quite some
time now, with no recent changes or problems.  The MTA (you could guess
that we use exim) is also stable.

However this morning I posted a message to the exim-users list.
It left my machine, got to exim.org, and was delivered down a pipe to
the mailman wrapper, returning a success code.   At that point the
message seems to have disappeared - there is no sign on it in any of the
mailman logs, no stuck processes, no strange files in the directories...

We run Mailman 2.0.6 with exim 3.33.

	Nigel.





From nf at ecwh.dhs.org  Fri Oct 12 13:59:54 2001
From: nf at ecwh.dhs.org (NightFlight)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:59:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default hostname
In-Reply-To: <0110120948170B.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <01101117150409.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <20011011113652.B988@mems-exchange.org> <0110120948170B.21028@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <200110121159.f9CBxtu26192@ecwh.dhs.org>

On October 12, 2001 05:48 am, Oliver Egginger wrote:
> Hello,
>
> mm_cfg.py is relevant only within the list creation process.
> The default host name is a very basic thing and should be set via a
> configure option. I was thinking that one of the options
> --build, --host or --target could do this.

I assumed that would alter the host TYPE, such as Linux, solaris, etc.
I'm having the same difficulties. Right now the mailman-owner is being 
listied on /mailman/listinfo as me at localhost, which of course I would like to 
change, but I don't see it anywhere.

> If I would use mm_cfg.py instead,
> this wouldn't change the domain of the mailman-owner, and maybe there are
> other difficulties. I don't know.
>
> But set it in the Default.py file is acceptable.

I also want to set up another mailman for another virual host... this may 
prove ugly.

-- 
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From nf at ecwh.dhs.org  Fri Oct 12 14:02:44 2001
From: nf at ecwh.dhs.org (NightFlight)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:02:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apparent message lossage
In-Reply-To: <1002881670.1007.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>
References: <1002881670.1007.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>
Message-ID: <200110121202.f9CC2i426241@ecwh.dhs.org>

On October 12, 2001 06:14 am, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> The mailman installation on exim.org has been running for quite some
> time now, with no recent changes or problems.  The MTA (you could guess
> that we use exim) is also stable.
>
> However this morning I posted a message to the exim-users list.
> It left my machine, got to exim.org, and was delivered down a pipe to
> the mailman wrapper, returning a success code.   At that point the
> message seems to have disappeared - there is no sign on it in any of the
> mailman logs, no stuck processes, no strange files in the directories...
>
> We run Mailman 2.0.6 with exim 3.33.
>
> 	Nigel.

As a guess, (I'm a newbie) check out your mail queue.
-- 
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From RegrettableError at netscape.net  Fri Oct 12 16:46:10 2001
From: RegrettableError at netscape.net (Regrettable Error)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:46:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "RTFM"
Message-ID: <66C41F13.02B7B701.67AEECF3@netscape.net>

Michael,

With respect, I disagree. 

It's one thing to read a civil request such as "Please read the FAQ and manual at  before asking questions here". It's quite another to go through the FAQ, the manual, a Google search, and a reinstall before asking a question on a mailing list - and then having to endure the sarcastic, churlish, infantile taunts I got from a certain list member who has "wannabe" written between the lines on all of his posts.

Mailing list software setup is complicated from the start; more so because it requries expertise in several different areas that Linux newbies don't often have: MTA setup and configuration, compiler options, library maintenance, group/user permissions, and cron. A lot can go wrong, and the installation HOWTO's are written by volunteers whom often lapse into technocratese during their explanations.

Let's remember that the objective or a "users" list is to help USERS, not provide an excuse for self-aggrandizment by the self-absorbed. Every disappointed newcomer who is scared off this list by abuse from a certain jackass is going to become an advocate for Microsoft when his employer asks for an opinion about which software to buy.

We were all new to this once. One list member has, apparently, decided to stop growing and start mocking those whom will soon pass him by.

FWIW. YMMV. HAND.

R-E

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From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Fri Oct 12 17:37:42 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:37:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out monthly membership reminder?
In-Reply-To: <20011009154915.H13766@elender.hu>
Message-ID: <3BC6B9ED.13973.4E80A3B@localhost>

On 9 Oct 2001 at 15:49, Balazs Lengyak wrote:

> Is there?

Yes.  In the "General Options" of the list management 
screen is an option labeled, "Send monthly password 
reminders or no? Overrides the previous option. 
(Details)".  I suspect checking the "no" box and then 
submitting the changes should take care of the 
matter.

Mike

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                                    Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
                                         (970)-642-0244 (office)
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From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Fri Oct 12 17:42:21 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:42:21 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there any way to have Mailman NOT to send out  monthly membership reminder?
In-Reply-To: <3BC3A93C.A2D79747@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3BC6BB04.9792.4EC4AFA@localhost>

On 9 Oct 2001 at 19:49, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Balazs Lengyak wrote:
> 
> > Is there?
> 
>     Of course.  RTFM.

Given that the poster's email address is based in 
Hungary, it might be reasonable to assume that the 
poster is not a native English speaker.

This might be seen as a reason to show the poster 
some mercy and politely answer the question.

It could be argued that it would always be best to 
show a poster mercy and answer the question.

We're all newbies at something.  And we're all going to 
need help with things that experienced people will have 
trouble believing we don't understand.  So, for the 
kindness you will hope to receive, you should show 
kindness to others.

And with that, I'd like to thank Jon and several other 
people here for their gracious help as I have been 
getting used to Mailman.  It's a marvelous program, 
and the more I use it, the more stunned I am!

Mike
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                                    Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
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From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Fri Oct 12 17:49:16 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:49:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
In-Reply-To: <20011011152435.G9588@magic.merlins.org>
References: <3BC617BB.54129C6B@pcraft.com>; from ashley@pcraft.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 04:05:47PM -0600
Message-ID: <3BC6BCA2.23747.4F29F8A@localhost>

On 11 Oct 2001 at 15:24, Marc MERLIN wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 04:05:47PM -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: 

>> Mike Avery wrote:
>>> I'd like to change the name of a Mailman hosted
>>> mailing list.  The only way I see to do that is to delete 
>>> it and start over, but I really don't want to do that. Is
>>> there a clean way to rename a mailing list?

>> I've never tried this, however others have claimed to 
>> be able to do this by simple renaming the aliases,
>> renaming the list directories and archive
>> names, and then setting the name correctly in the 
>> configuration. 
>> I'd say backup that list before you start fiddling with  
>> it. :)
 
> Barry posted a very exhaustive step by step set of instructions.

> Read the archives.

A check shows Barry's comments were about two months 
back, and the instructions were exhaustive, but they 
worked.

Thanks to Marc and Barry for the pointer and the 
instructions.  

Barry asked that $100,000 in pennies be sent to him and 
the Mailman developers if we want to see the process 
automated and simplified.  That's a bit past my budget 
limits, but I think some people would think it was worth 
it.  My advice is, "name your lists the way you want them 
the first time!"

Mike
-- 
Mike Avery                            
MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
                                    Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
                                         (970)-642-0244 (office)
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*

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proverb.





From thga at yahoo.fr  Fri Oct 12 18:45:22 2001
From: thga at yahoo.fr (Thierry GAGNAIRE)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:45:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists suddenly broken
Message-ID: <067c01c1533d$4d33b7b0$480a4b0a@5531d28>

Hello,

[I'm French]

I have very big problems with lists that worked very well before
those problems.

I have a domain hosted by cwihosting (virtual hosting).
On my domain, I have created several lists using the mailman product.
All worked well from May 2001 to the end of September.
[I did all the apropriate configuration via the administration
interface ; for some of them I'm still the administrator,
for others I gave the administration to someone I know].

Since the beginning of October, none of these lists work anymore.
I have tried to get help from cwihosting, but their last answer
to my last request was:
<<
There is nothing we can do as your mailing lists are working.  I have
subscribed to your list and received an email from it.  We have created a
list for you on the same account and it is working properly.  You should
check your email addresses or delete and recreate the mailing lists that are
not working on your end.
>>

However, for all the requests I do to the hosting people
(www.cwihosting.com),
they are replying : "all work fine" !!

I have subscribers from different countries in Europe,
and nobody receives any mail since the beginning of October,
and nobody is able to send any mail.
I can access to the admin interface and do subscribing any email.
But new suscriber can't send mail too.
And I see nothing in the admin interface
(no request to be approved, no add to the archives even
when the hosting people told me they did a test with this list,
for example with the 'user at natapassion.com' list I gave them the
admin password, ...)
If I try to subscribe (with a new email account) via the user page,
I receive the mail asking confirmation, but replying is doing anything.

I have also tried to create new a mailing list, but the result is the same.

What can I do ??
Please help !

I suspect the problem occurs on other virtual domain on the same
machine, because I'm subscriber to a list on rcuddy.com and it doesn't
work anymore (to me) ; but the guy doesn't spend time now on Internet
(and so I can't have a confirmation from him) ...

I suspect there is a problem of DNS on this server,
but I'm not sure at all because I don't know how this works,
because when I tried (just today) to subscribe to your list
(mailman-users at python.org)
with an email account owned by my domain
(thgalist at natapassion.com - account which works well everywhere else),
I can't confirm too : my reply to your ask has the following return:
<<
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  mailman-users-request at python.org
    SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT
TO::
    host mail.python.org [63.102.49.29]: 550-Open relay. Please see
http://orbz.org/?209.61.186.101
    550 mail from 209.61.186.101 rejected: administrative prohibition (host
is blacklisted)
>>

This during the 2 ou 3 last hours ; and during this time I was able
to subscribe with the current email address as you see (thga at yahoo.fr)

What can I do to "force" the hosting people to open thier eyes ??
[I need VERY VERY evident prooves !]
Could you do something to help ? And/or contact them directly ??
Is there any log file I can see ?
[I have not the rights everywhere on the machine - linux -
but I have a telnet access].

Could you confirm or infirm my suppositions ?
What are the other possiblities ?

Thanks and Regards.

Thierry G.



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From nb at thinkcoach.com  Fri Oct 12 18:48:27 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:48:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists suddenly broken
In-Reply-To: <067c01c1533d$4d33b7b0$480a4b0a@5531d28> (thga@yahoo.fr)
References: <067c01c1533d$4d33b7b0$480a4b0a@5531d28>
Message-ID: <200110121648.f9CGmR205019@quill.local>

> TO::
>     host mail.python.org [63.102.49.29]: 550-Open relay. Please see
> http://orbz.org/?209.61.186.101
>     550 mail from 209.61.186.101 rejected: administrative prohibition (host
> is blacklisted)

[..]

> What can I do to "force" the hosting people to open thier eyes ??
> [I need VERY VERY evident prooves !]

http://orbz.org/?209.61.186.101

If that doesn't convince them that they have a problem, then
they're totally incompetent to host mailing lists.

> What are the other possiblities ?

Move the lists to a more competent hosting service.

Greetings, Norbert.

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From dani at legacyinteractive.com  Fri Oct 12 20:07:35 2001
From: dani at legacyinteractive.com (Dani Rosen)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:07:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost mail
Message-ID: 

I am a list administrator using mailman and everything works fine except
that once in a while one of the users (randomly - including myself) loses
one of the messages. We noticed it had nothing to do with the individual's
mail server or mail program but with mailman itself - or the server it's on.

Anyone have any clue to why this is happening and how to fix it? The loss is
about 1% on average between the subscribers and has nothing to do with
mail-filters.
Also, there are no mails in the queue.

Thanks,

Dani.

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From dani at legacyinteractive.com  Fri Oct 12 20:20:29 2001
From: dani at legacyinteractive.com (Dani Rosen)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:20:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost mail
Message-ID: 

I am a list administrator using mailman and everything works fine except
that once in a while one of the users (randomly - including myself) loses
one of the messages. We noticed it had nothing to do with the individual's
mail server or mail program but with mailman itself - or the server it's on.

Anyone have any clue to why this is happening and how to fix it? The loss is
about 1% on average between the subscribers and has nothing to do with
mail-filters.

Also, there are no mails in the queue.

Thanks,


Dani.




From buckykatt888 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 12 20:37:46 2001
From: buckykatt888 at hotmail.com (Bryn Ryans)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:37:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list
Message-ID: 

Can anyone give me information on how to configure Mailman to work with
MHonarc (or is it the other way around?). I have both MHonarc and Mailman 
installed, but the information I have found on how to get the two to talk is 
a little sketchy.

I would appreciate any help you can give me,





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From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Oct 12 00:24:35 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:24:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing a list name
In-Reply-To: <3BC617BB.54129C6B@pcraft.com>; from ashley@pcraft.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 04:05:47PM -0600
References: <3BC43F39.535BDE7F@simicro-internet.mg> <3BC5C22D.22546.12020C2@localhost> <3BC617BB.54129C6B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20011011152435.G9588@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 04:05:47PM -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> Mike Avery wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to change the name of a Mailman hosted
> > mailing list.  The only way I see to do that is to delete
> > it and start over, but I really don't want to do that.
> >
> > Is there a clean way to rename a mailing list?
> 
>     I've never tried this, however others have claimed to be able to do
> this by simple renaming the aliases, renaming the list directories and
> archive names, and then setting the name correctly in the
> configuration.  I'd say backup that list before you start fiddling with
> it. :)

and running ~mailman/bin/move_list on the resulting list.

Barry posted a very exhaustive step by step set of instructions.

Read the archives.

Marc
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Oct 12 00:32:40 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:32:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing some lines in normal emails (mailman2.0.6)
In-Reply-To: <20011011181425.C17289@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 06:14:25PM -0400
References: <3.0.32.20011012042436.022791d4@smtp.magix.com.sg> <20011011181425.C17289@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20011011153240.H9588@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 06:14:25PM -0400, Greg Ward wrote:
> On 12 October 2001, Spades said:
> > How do I get rid of all these headers on the mailman 2.0.6 mailing list mail?
> 
> AFAIK there are only two options:
>   * hack Mailman to not emit those headers
>   * tweak your MTAs config to remove them

But of course, you want to do neither.

http://www.list.org/MM21/faq.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Q. My list members are complaining  about Mailman's List-* headers! What can
I do about this?
A. These  headers  are  added  by  Mailman  for  the  long-term  benefit  of
end-users. Mailman is compliant with RFC  2369, which is where these headers
are defined. See  the file README.USERAGENT for  hints on what to  tell your
end users.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From thierry.gagnaire at fisystem.com  Fri Oct 12 18:24:27 2001
From: thierry.gagnaire at fisystem.com (Thierry GAGNAIRE)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:24:27 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists suddenly broken
Message-ID: <063301c1533a$65d43860$480a4b0a@5531d28>

Hello,

[I'm French]

I have very big problems with lists that worked very well before
those problems.

I have a domain hosted by cwihosting (virtual hosting).
On my domain, I have created several lists using the mailman product.
All worked well from May 2001 to the end of September.
[I did all the apropriate configuration via the administration
interface ; for some of them I'm still the administrator,
for others I gave the administration to someone I know].

Since the beginning of October, none of these lists work anymore.
I have tried to get help from cwihosting, but their last answer
to my last request was:
<<
There is nothing we can do as your mailing lists are working.  I have
subscribed to your list and received an email from it.  We have created a
list for you on the same account and it is working properly.  You should
check your email addresses or delete and recreate the mailing lists that are
not working on your end.
>>

However, for all the requests I do to the hosting people
(www.cwihosting.com),
they are replying : "all work fine" !!

I have subscribers from different countries in Europe,
and nobody receives any mail since the beginning of October,
and nobody is able to send any mail.
I can access to the admin interface and do subscribing any email.
But new suscriber can't send mail too.
And I see nothing in the admin interface
(no request to be approved, no add to the archives even
when the hosting people told me they did a test with this list,
for example with the 'user at natapassion.com' list I gave them the
admin password, ...)
If I try to subscribe (with a new email account) via the user page,
I receive the mail asking confirmation, but replying is doing anything.

I have also tried to create new a mailing list, but the result is the same.

What can I do ??
Please help !

I suspect the problem occurs on other virtual domain on the same
machine, because I'm subscriber to a list on rcuddy.com and it doesn't
work anymore (to me) ; but the guy doesn't spend time now on Internet
(and so I can't have a confirmation from him) ...

I suspect there is a problem of DNS on this server,
but I'm not sure at all because I don't know how this works,
because when I tried (just today) to subscribe to your list
(mailman-users at python.org)
with an email account owned by my domain
(thgalist at natapassion.com - account which works well everywhere else),
I can't confirm too : my reply to your ask has the following return:
<<
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  mailman-users-request at python.org
    SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT
TO::
    host mail.python.org [63.102.49.29]: 550-Open relay. Please see
http://orbz.org/?209.61.186.101
    550 mail from 209.61.186.101 rejected: administrative prohibition (host
is blacklisted)
>>

This during the 2 ou 3 last hours ; and during this time I was able
to subscribe with the current email address as you see (thga at yahoo.fr)

What can I do to "force" the hosting people to open thier eyes ??
[I need VERY VERY evident prooves !]
Could you do something to help ? And/or contact them directly ??
Is there any log file I can see ?
[I have not the rights everywhere on the machine - linux -
but I have a telnet access].

Could you confirm or infirm my suppositions ?
What are the other possiblities ?

Thanks and Regards.

Thierry G.





From klowther at cisnet.com  Sat Oct 13 01:26:58 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user, can't 'stat'
Message-ID: 

I am getting the following error:
[Fri Oct 12 17:19:48 2001] [error] [client 207.17.248.136] script not found 
or unable to stat: /var/mailman/cgi-binadmin
I have been through the INSTALL document several times.  I don't know where I 
am going wrong.  All of the permissions look right.

drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman       304 Oct 12 13:17 cgi-bin/

inside the directory:

drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman       304 Oct 12 13:17 ./
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman       440 Oct  7 19:59 ../
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30690 Oct 12 13:17 admin*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30694 Oct 12 13:17 admindb*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30702 Oct 12 13:17 archives*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30702 Oct 12 13:17 edithtml*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30710 Oct 12 13:17 handle_opts*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30702 Oct 12 13:17 listinfo*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30694 Oct 12 13:17 options*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30694 Oct 12 13:17 private*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30690 Oct 12 13:17 roster*
-rwxr-xr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30706 Oct 12 13:17 subscribe*

Slackware 7.1 with Apache.

Added the ScriptAlias, and did both the default configure and a 'nobody' 
--with-gid-cgibin

Thanks
Ken



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Sat Oct 13 01:47:39 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 16:47:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user, can't 'stat'
Message-ID: <200110122346.QAA00817@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I am getting the following error:
> [Fri Oct 12 17:19:48 2001] [error] [client 207.17.248.136] script not found 
> or unable to stat: /var/mailman/cgi-binadmin
> I have been through the INSTALL document several times.  I don't know where I 
> am going wrong.  All of the permissions look right.

Since the name of the directory is 'cgi-bin', the name of the script
is 'admin', and the error you're getting says 'cgi-binadmin', you can
infer you're missing a slash somewhere.  I'll bet it's in
the ScriptAlias directive.  Check the Apache docs.





From klowther at cisnet.com  Sat Oct 13 02:31:57 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:31:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user, can't 'stat'
In-Reply-To: <200110122346.QAA00817@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200110122346.QAA00817@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: 

On Friday 12 October 2001 07:47 pm, Dan Mick wrote:

> infer you're missing a slash somewhere.  I'll bet it's in
> the ScriptAlias directive.  Check the Apache docs.
>

OK.  Thanks.  Typo.  I keep telling myself I am going to get to bed early and 
start fresh.  Havne't made it yet. :(  Is it considered progress when you 
stumble from one error to another?

Get this error in the browser:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the 
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

This in the log:

 
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/mailman/logs/error'
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, May 28 2000, 18:04:10)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 
19990314/Linux (egcs-
sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr
sys.exec_prefix= /usr
sys.path       = /usr
sys.platform   = linux2
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/lib/apache/htdocs
        SERVER_ADDR: 216.98.192.73
        HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: x-gzip, gzip, identity
        SERVER_PORT: 80
        PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/lib/apache/vhosts/www.atmsite.org/html/test
        GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
        UNIQUE_ID: O8eIdNhiwEkAAHLNCwY
        HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en_US, en
        REMOTE_ADDR: 207.17.248.136
        SERVER_NAME: www.atmsite.org
        HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
        HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/2.2; Linux)
        HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1, utf-8, *
        HTTP_ACCEPT: text/*, image/jpeg, image/png, image/*, */*
        REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/test
        QUERY_STRING: 
        SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
        PATH_INFO: /test
        HTTP_HOST: www.atmsite.org
        REQUEST_METHOD: GET
        SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
Apache/1.3.19 Server at www.atmsite.org 
Port 80


        SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
        SERVER_ADMIN: root at idcomm.com
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1
        PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
        SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
        REMOTE_PORT: 33253



From rforsythe at centerone.com  Sat Oct 13 04:57:24 2001
From: rforsythe at centerone.com (Ralph Forsythe)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:57:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface not working...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012194218.02029d38@mail.centerone.com>

Ok, quick system info:  Server is a Cobalt Raq3i running Linux 
(glibc).  Python is version 2.0.1.  Other info, the mailman home directory 
is '/usr/local/mailman'.  Scriptalias and other apache config was done per 
the docs.

When I view the page for the list (creatively titled in this case) at the 
following URL, I get the message below it:
--------------------------------------------
http://xyz.xyz.com/mailman/admin/pissoff   (domain changed since this is an 
open list)
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but 
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
--------------------------------------------

Now, the mailman logs don't show anything.  However the httpd error log 
shows the following output (below), which makes me think there is some kind 
of permission thing going on.  I compiled with the proper mail-gid and 
cgi-gid bits as far as I know...  Does anyone have an idea as to what might 
be causing this?  (I searched in vain in the archives, but may have missed 
something...)  And I did RTFM, didn't see anything like this in there.  Thanks!

--------------------------------------------
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
     immediate=1)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in 
__init__
     Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
     self.__get_f()
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
     f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error'
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.0.1 (#1, Oct 12 2001, 14:26:18)
[GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)]
sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
sys.path       = /usr/local
sys.platform   = linux2
[----- Environment Variables -----]
         DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/sites/home/web
         UNIQUE_ID: O8es78yFt28AAAlDDvE
         HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
         SERVER_PORT: 80
         PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/sites/home/web/pissoff
         REMOTE_ADDR: 63.227.8.161
         HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
         GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
         SERVER_NAME: blue.centerone.com
         HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
         HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
         HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
         REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/pissoff
         QUERY_STRING:
         SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
         SCRIPT_URL: /mailman/admin/pissoff
         HTTP_HOST: blue.centerone.com
         REQUEST_METHOD: GET
         SERVER_SIGNATURE:
         SCRIPT_URI: http://blue.centerone.com/mailman/admin/pissoff
         SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
         SERVER_ADMIN: admin
         SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_perl/1.21 mod_ssl/2.2.8 
OpenSSL/0.9.2b
         PYTHONPATH: /usr/local/mailman
         PATH_INFO: /pissoff
         SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
         REMOTE_PORT: 17721
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Sat Oct 13 05:07:49 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface not working...
Message-ID: <200110130307.UAA07339@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Now, the mailman logs don't show anything.  However the httpd error log 
> shows the following output (below), which makes me think there is some kind 
> of permission thing going on.  

Yes, certainly.  So surely the permissions on /usr/local/mailman/logs/error
are gonna be interesting, yes?

So..um...what are they?

They oughta be group-write mailman, because error lives in
a directory that ought to be group-sticky mailman...




From rforsythe at centerone.com  Sat Oct 13 05:12:59 2001
From: rforsythe at centerone.com (Ralph Forsythe)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:12:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface not working...
In-Reply-To: <200110130307.UAA07339@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012211023.020ded90@mail.centerone.com>

Permissions on the logs dir are admin:mailman.  (admin was the acct used to 
install the program.)  Permissions on the error logfile are mailman:mailman 
-- this seems like it would work, yes?  Both the dir and file are U+G 
writeable.

Oh, sorry for the HTML on the previous post.  Didn't think that coped over...

Thanks,
- Ralph

At 08:07 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:

> > Now, the mailman logs don't show anything.  However the httpd error log
> > shows the following output (below), which makes me think there is some 
> kind
> > of permission thing going on.
>
>Yes, certainly.  So surely the permissions on /usr/local/mailman/logs/error
>are gonna be interesting, yes?
>
>So..um...what are they?
>
>They oughta be group-write mailman, because error lives in
>a directory that ought to be group-sticky mailman...




From lala at thePoetsLounge.net  Sat Oct 13 05:18:38 2001
From: lala at thePoetsLounge.net (Miss Lala)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:18:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm new - HELP
Message-ID: <005e01c15395$c159b9c0$54828fac@hppav>

Ok, so I am just starting this email thing. I  have a mailman list on my site, and I list this address as the admin address. However,when I send a message from this address, it got held up for an approval...from me!! How do I send a message and check archives and do all of that as the Admin, and not as a subscriber?

Sorry if this is a "simple" question, but I am new.

lala
www.thePoetsLounge.net
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From webfoot at easystreet.com  Sat Oct 13 06:23:39 2001
From: webfoot at easystreet.com (webfoot)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:23:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'import date' error
Message-ID: <000901c1539e$d5d94a10$e867a1d0@webfooters>

I am a new member.  First post.

After completing mailman install, I get the following error from trying to
access the listinfo:

[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 66, in run_main
    from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
  File "../Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 19, in ?
    import date
ImportError: No module named date
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.2a4 (#1, Oct 11 2001, 20:34:33)
[GCC 2.95.2 20000220 (Debian GNU/Linux)]
sys.executable = /home/mailman/Python-2.2a4/python
sys.prefix     = /usr/local
sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
sys.path       = /usr/local
sys.platform   = linux2
[----- Environment Variables -----]
 HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
 PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
 SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) Debian/GNU
 SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo

Apparently can't find the module 'time'.  Is this a Python module?

TIA

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
Day Tooley





From chris at diviningmind.com  Sat Oct 13 06:47:47 2001
From: chris at diviningmind.com (Chris Gozdzik)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:47:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to personalize e-mails
Message-ID: <3BC76503.572.108965A@localhost>

Hi there!

I'd like to switch to Mailman, but I'd like to maintain personalized e-
mails. Is it possible? I couldn't find any info on that.
My subscribers' list contains first name and e-mail.
I'd appreciate any help.
Chris

-Divining Mind Radiesthetic Supplies
Quality Pendulums and divining Rods
http://diviningmind.com



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Oct 13 09:20:30 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:20:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Bryn Ryans"  
   of "Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:37:46 -0000."  
References:  
Message-ID: <19078.1002957630@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:37:46 +0000 
Bryn Ryans  wrote:

> Can anyone give me information on how to configure Mailman to work
> with MHonarc (or is it the other way around?). I have both MHonarc
> and Mailman installed, but the information I have found on how to
> get the two to talk is a little sketchy.

This, and the two ways to do it (configuring Mailman directly and
hanging it off a subscribed address) are covered thoroughly in the
list archives (might be under -developers).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct 13 16:30:33 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:30:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface not working...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012211023.020ded90@mail.centerone.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012211023.020ded90@mail.centerone.com>
Message-ID: <01101310303302.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

You might want to add the user "nobody" (or whatever you use to run Apache) 
to the group "mailman".  Then make sure that the group mailman can write to 
that dir and those files.

On Friday 12 October 2001 23:12, Ralph Forsythe wrote:
> Permissions on the logs dir are admin:mailman.  (admin was the acct used
> to install the program.)  Permissions on the error logfile are
> mailman:mailman -- this seems like it would work, yes?  Both the dir and
> file are U+G writeable.
>
> Oh, sorry for the HTML on the previous post.  Didn't think that coped
> over...
>
> Thanks,
> - Ralph
>
> At 08:07 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > > Now, the mailman logs don't show anything.  However the httpd error
> > > log shows the following output (below), which makes me think there is
> > > some
> >
> > kind
> >
> > > of permission thing going on.
> >
> >Yes, certainly.  So surely the permissions on
> > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error are gonna be interesting, yes?
> >
> >So..um...what are they?
> >
> >They oughta be group-write mailman, because error lives in
> >a directory that ought to be group-sticky mailman...
>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct 13 16:37:56 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:37:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm new - HELP
In-Reply-To: <005e01c15395$c159b9c0$54828fac@hppav>
References: <005e01c15395$c159b9c0$54828fac@hppav>
Message-ID: <01101310375603.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Friday 12 October 2001 23:18, Miss Lala wrote:
> Ok, so I am just starting this email thing. I  have a mailman list on my
> site, and I list this address as the admin address. However,when I send a
> message from this address, it got held up for an approval...from me!! How
> do I send a message and check archives and do all of that as the Admin,
> and not as a subscriber?
>
> Sorry if this is a "simple" question, but I am new.
>
> lala
> www.thePoetsLounge.net

The mailman admin email address has no special rights.  Since email 
addresses can be spoofed, this is a "good thing" (tm).  You can however, 
set your list to allow specific email addresses to post without approval.  

Web over to the admin pages for your list and check out the "Privacy 
Options" page:  
   "Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list
    without implicit approval requirement."

Take care - 

Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct 13 16:50:09 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to personalize e-mails
In-Reply-To: <3BC76503.572.108965A@localhost>
References: <3BC76503.572.108965A@localhost>
Message-ID: <01101310500905.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Saturday 13 October 2001 00:47, Chris Gozdzik wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I'd like to switch to Mailman, but I'd like to maintain personalized e-
> mails. Is it possible? I couldn't find any info on that.
> My subscribers' list contains first name and e-mail.
> I'd appreciate any help.
> Chris
>
I'm not aware of Mailman being able to do this, and as far as I know, there 
are no plans to implement a scheme wherein mailman actually modifies the 
body of an email (in your case to substitute a general salutation to 
include the first name).

There are many other fine programs that can accommodate you however.  
Perhaps someone else on the list can recommend one.

Jon Carnes



From emery at havanastreet.com  Sat Oct 13 18:21:39 2001
From: emery at havanastreet.com (Emery Wang)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:21:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
Message-ID: 

Hi. I am testing mailman, and sending messages to another email 
account I have. But when I try to unsubscribe by sending a message to 
the unsubscribe email link, and putting "unsubscribe" in the subject 
line, mailman returns this error (the ellipses are where the actual 
addresses were):

>This is an automated response.
>
>There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
>the administrative address...
>
>To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
>...with the word "help" in the
>subject line or in the body of the message.
>
>If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
>please send your message to...
>
>The following is a detailed description of the problems.
>
>
>***** unsubscribe
>>>>>>  Usage: unsubscribe  []
Command? thanks

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

-Emery
-- 

Emery Wang
Havana Street, home of the world's greatest original 1940s style clip art

web site: http://www.havanastreet.com
email: emery at havanastreet.com
tel: 512-385-0438
fax: 512-857-0084

"I would have written a shorter letter, but didn't have the time."
-Mark Twain



From rforsythe at centerone.com  Sat Oct 13 18:43:28 2001
From: rforsythe at centerone.com (Ralph Forsythe)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:43:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface not working...
In-Reply-To: <01101310303302.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011012211023.020ded90@mail.centerone.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20011012211023.020ded90@mail.centerone.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011013104059.01fcbd20@mail.centerone.com>

Apache is run under 'httpd/httpd' (user/group).  I compiled mailman using 
the --with-cgi-gid=httpd as I thought it was nobody at first and got 
'expected GID xx, got GID xx' errors when viewing the pages.  I think it's 
running with the right GID now however...

- Ralph

At 10:30 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
>You might want to add the user "nobody" (or whatever you use to run Apache)
>to the group "mailman".  Then make sure that the group mailman can write to
>that dir and those files.
>
>On Friday 12 October 2001 23:12, Ralph Forsythe wrote:
> > Permissions on the logs dir are admin:mailman.  (admin was the acct used
> > to install the program.)  Permissions on the error logfile are
> > mailman:mailman -- this seems like it would work, yes?  Both the dir and
> > file are U+G writeable.
> >
> > Oh, sorry for the HTML on the previous post.  Didn't think that coped
> > over...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Ralph
> >
> > At 08:07 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > Now, the mailman logs don't show anything.  However the httpd error
> > > > log shows the following output (below), which makes me think there is
> > > > some
> > >
> > > kind
> > >
> > > > of permission thing going on.
> > >
> > >Yes, certainly.  So surely the permissions on
> > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error are gonna be interesting, yes?
> > >
> > >So..um...what are they?
> > >
> > >They oughta be group-write mailman, because error lives in
> > >a directory that ought to be group-sticky mailman...
> >




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct 13 19:36:34 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <0110131336350C.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

The proper format for unsubscribe would be:
  unsubscribe mypassword myemail at mydomain.com

Include your password with the request.  You should also be able to 
unsubscribe using the listinfo web page.

Jon Carnes
 
On Saturday 13 October 2001 12:21, Emery Wang wrote:
> Hi. I am testing mailman, and sending messages to another email
> account I have. But when I try to unsubscribe by sending a message to
> the unsubscribe email link, and putting "unsubscribe" in the subject
> line, mailman returns this error (the ellipses are where the actual
>
> addresses were):
> >This is an automated response.
> >
> >There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
> >the administrative address...
> >
> >To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
> >...with the word "help" in the
> >subject line or in the body of the message.
> >
> >If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
> >please send your message to...
> >
> >The following is a detailed description of the problems.
> >
> >
> >***** unsubscribe
> >
> >>>>>>  Usage: unsubscribe  []
>
> Command? thanks
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> -Emery



From emery at havanastreet.com  Sat Oct 13 19:46:04 2001
From: emery at havanastreet.com (Emery Wang)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:46:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: <0110131336350C.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: 
 <0110131336350C.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Thanks, Jon. One thing, however: there is no password involved here, 
because I am manually inputting a list of email addresses from 
customers who have been in my database before I started using mailman.

So, for email addresses that have not be subscribed by the user, but 
manually inputted by the admin, how do these guys unsubscribe?

Thanks

-Emery

\At 1:36 PM -0400 10/13/01, Jon Carnes wrote:
>The proper format for unsubscribe would be:
>   unsubscribe mypassword myemail at mydomain.com
>
>Include your password with the request.  You should also be able to
>unsubscribe using the listinfo web page.
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>On Saturday 13 October 2001 12:21, Emery Wang wrote:
>>  Hi. I am testing mailman, and sending messages to another email
>>  account I have. But when I try to unsubscribe by sending a message to
>>  the unsubscribe email link, and putting "unsubscribe" in the subject
>>  line, mailman returns this error (the ellipses are where the actual
>>
>>  addresses were):
>>  >This is an automated response.
>>  >
>>  >There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
>>  >the administrative address...
>>  >
>>  >To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
>>  >...with the word "help" in the
>>  >subject line or in the body of the message.
>>  >
>>  >If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
>>  >please send your message to...
>>  >
>>  >The following is a detailed description of the problems.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >***** unsubscribe
>>  >
>>  >>>>>>  Usage: unsubscribe  []
>>
>>  Command? thanks
>>
>>  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>>  -Emery

-- 

Emery Wang
Havana Street, home of the world's greatest original 1940s style clip art

web site: http://www.havanastreet.com
email: emery at havanastreet.com
tel: 512-385-0438
fax: 512-857-0084

"I would have written a shorter letter, but didn't have the time."
-Mark Twain



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Oct 13 19:59:32 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working 
In-Reply-To: Message from Emery Wang  
   of "Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:46:04 CDT."  
References:  <0110131336350C.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>   
Message-ID: <23090.1002995972@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:46:04 -0500 
Emery Wang  wrote:

> So, for email addresses that have not be subscribed by the user,
> but manually inputted by the admin, how do these guys unsubscribe?

The system will have automatically assigned them a randomly
generated password.  They'll have to query Mailman to find out what
their password is (and reset it if wished).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Oct 13 20:08:14 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:08:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: 
References:  <0110131336350C.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> 
Message-ID: <0110131408140D.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

When you add the user manually, then Mailman generates a random password 
for them.  If you let Mailman send the individual a Welcome message, then 
the password is included as a part of that message.

Note:  ALL users have passwords - even if you didn't set a password for the 
user.

You can go to the listinfo page of your list and have it email the password 
to you, or you can look directly at the database and see the password for 
that user.

Jon Carnes
===
On Saturday 13 October 2001 13:46, Emery Wang wrote:
> Thanks, Jon. One thing, however: there is no password involved here,
> because I am manually inputting a list of email addresses from
> customers who have been in my database before I started using mailman.
>
> So, for email addresses that have not be subscribed by the user, but
> manually inputted by the admin, how do these guys unsubscribe?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Emery
>
> \At 1:36 PM -0400 10/13/01, Jon Carnes wrote:
> >The proper format for unsubscribe would be:
> >   unsubscribe mypassword myemail at mydomain.com
> >
> >Include your password with the request.  You should also be able to
> >unsubscribe using the listinfo web page.
> >
> >Jon Carnes



From emery at havanastreet.com  Sat Oct 13 23:09:04 2001
From: emery at havanastreet.com (Emery Wang)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
Message-ID: 

Thanks Jon and JC for your answers. Unfortunately, that is too long a 
process to put our customers through. I need something that people 
can just click a link, and send out an email, and they're 
automatically unsubscribed. Requiring people to look up name and 
password and type it in is way too much work. Sometimes people forget 
they requested to be on our mailing list, and view it as spam. If so, 
we want to make the removal process as easy as possible for them.

So here's a possible feature request for mailman: a simplified 
unsubscribe option.

Anybody know of a good, non-cgi based email program that can do that?

Thanks.

-Emery
-- 

Emery Wang
Havana Street, home of the world's greatest original 1940s style clip art

web site: http://www.havanastreet.com
email: emery at havanastreet.com
tel: 512-385-0438
fax: 512-857-0084

"I would have written a shorter letter, but didn't have the time."
-Mark Twain



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sat Oct 13 10:51:05 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:21:05 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Oct 13, 2001 at 16:09, Emery Wang wrote:

>So here's a possible feature request for mailman: a simplified 
>unsubscribe option.
>
>Anybody know of a good, non-cgi based email program that can do that?

How about the mailman wrapper at
http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html ?

-- 
Satya. 
Use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct 14 01:27:47 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01101319274700.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Try Majordomo or Lyris...  Majordomo is probably the easier of the two.

On Saturday 13 October 2001 17:09, Emery Wang wrote:
> Thanks Jon and JC for your answers. Unfortunately, that is too long a
> process to put our customers through. I need something that people
> can just click a link, and send out an email, and they're
> automatically unsubscribed. Requiring people to look up name and
> password and type it in is way too much work. Sometimes people forget
> they requested to be on our mailing list, and view it as spam. If so,
> we want to make the removal process as easy as possible for them.
>
> So here's a possible feature request for mailman: a simplified
> unsubscribe option.
>
> Anybody know of a good, non-cgi based email program that can do that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Emery



From chaudhry at tabunka.org  Sun Oct 14 11:47:10 2001
From: chaudhry at tabunka.org (Imtiaz A. Chaudhry)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:47:10 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEED HELP
References:  <0110131336350C.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <002001c15495$327a2310$0101a8c0@chaudhry.com>

Hello Amigos,

I am very new to mailman using majordomo and smartlist from last five years.
I need your help to solve a problem.
Is it possible real time posting? no moderated list.

I configured the mailman menu but all messages come to admin address for
approval. We need real time posting so how is it possible any document or
manual ???

Please write me at chaudhry at tabunka.org

Best Regards,
Imtiaz Chaudhry






From klowther at cisnet.com  Sun Oct 14 16:26:28 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain name in mail
Message-ID: 

Where does mailman get the domain address when sending out emails?  I have 
one machine where it inists on using the full mahcine name.  
Fred.Flintstone.com, instead of Flintstone.com.  On another it is using a 
virtual hosts site name.

Thanks.

Ken



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct 14 18:46:42 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEED HELP
In-Reply-To: <002001c15495$327a2310$0101a8c0@chaudhry.com>
References:  <0110131336350C.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <002001c15495$327a2310$0101a8c0@chaudhry.com>
Message-ID: <01101412464200.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 14 October 2001 05:47, Imtiaz A. Chaudhry wrote:
> Hello Amigos,
>
> I am very new to mailman using majordomo and smartlist from last five
> years. I need your help to solve a problem.
> Is it possible real time posting? no moderated list.
>
> I configured the mailman menu but all messages come to admin address for
> approval. We need real time posting so how is it possible any document or
> manual ???
>
> Please write me at chaudhry at tabunka.org
>
> Best Regards,
> Imtiaz Chaudhry
>

Mailman pretty much defaults to non-moderated.  You have to change the 
default config of a list to make it moderated.

What is the reason given for holding the message?  It should clearly tell 
you why the message was held (and not passed on immediately to the list).

Make sure the list is not "moderated", and make sure that you are sending 
directly to the list (not bcc-ing) the list.

This should be fairly easy to fix. 

Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct 14 18:49:16 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:49:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] domain name in mail
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01101412491601.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 14 October 2001 10:26, Ken wrote:
> Where does mailman get the domain address when sending out emails?  I
> have one machine where it inists on using the full mahcine name.
> Fred.Flintstone.com, instead of Flintstone.com.  On another it is using a
> virtual hosts site name.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ken

In Mailman 2.06 on the first Web Admin page (General Options), 2nd from the 
bottom is the config option where you set the Host name to be used in 
sending out emails.

Put in Flintstone.com.



From abigail at webfavor.com  Sun Oct 14 22:08:25 2001
From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:08:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not working
Message-ID: <328972896.20011014130825@webfavor.com>

Hi,
my mailing list simply quit working. I don't know why.

The error logs show this series of entries for all messages sent.

> Oct 14 19:46:01 2001 (45918) Delivery exception:
> Oct 14 19:46:01 2001 (45918) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in process
>     inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 166, in inject_digest
>     digest = Digest(mlist, topicsdata, fp.read())
> MemoryError:

The file called "digest" in the logs directory shows entries like
this:
> Oct 14 19:51:01 2001 (46261) Fac v 31 - 10768 msgs, 1 recips (0 mime, 1 text, 0 disabled)
> Oct 14 19:51:01 2001 (46261) Fac v 31 - 10769 msgs, 1 recips (0 mime, 1 text, 0 disabled)
> Oct 14 19:51:01 2001 (46261) Fac v 31 - 10770 msgs, 1 recips (0 mime, 1 text, 0 disabled)

These files are growing constantly. The "error" file is already more
than 5 megs.  The first entry in the error file, from Oct 6, is:

> ' (0xd)20:21:02 2001 (95844) Delivery exception: unsupported format character '
> Oct 09 20:21:02 2001 (95844) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in process
>     inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in inject_digest
>     msg = digest.asText()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in asText
>     return self.Present(mime=0)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 279, in Present
>     lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_header % self.TemplateRefs())
> ' (0xd)ror: unsupported format character '

I'm running mailman 2.03 on a Free BSD server.

Please help.

-Abigail Marshall




From alex at phred.org  Mon Oct 15 01:02:50 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe not working
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20011014160159.X60109-100000@phred.org>

On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Emery Wang wrote:
> Thanks, Jon. One thing, however: there is no password involved here,
> because I am manually inputting a list of email addresses from
> customers who have been in my database before I started using mailman.
>
> So, for email addresses that have not be subscribed by the user, but
> manually inputted by the admin, how do these guys unsubscribe?

They do have a password, it is one of the randomly generated ones.
They can fetch the password from their options page
(http:///mailman/options//).
It was also mailed to them when you subscribed them if you had
the welcome option turned on.

alex




From klowther at cisnet.com  Mon Oct 15 02:55:26 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail wrapper error
Message-ID: 

Well, down to the 'last' error to overcome, I hope.  When I try to send a 
registration confirm I get an error.


Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
554 5.3.0 "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd atmswap"... unknown mailer 
error 2

2 is root/bin/daemon.  I tried recompiling using --with-mail-GID=2, but 
compiling shows:  checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 12

Obviously I'm missing something. 

Ken



From craver at kanal.vg  Mon Oct 15 10:02:08 2001
From: craver at kanal.vg (craver voun)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:02:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List
References: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn><03f101c150c6$8232f990$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> <1002636519.10963.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>
Message-ID: <002001c1554f$b41ef6b0$3203a8c0@aragorn>

This is the second time I get this message from the list :?
About the "to" and "cc" fields in the messages I send, here is tha header of
one of the messages I sent and was not post directly:

  Reply-To: "craver voun" 
  From: "craver voun" 
  To: 
  Subject: prueba 9
  Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200
  Organization: K#VG
  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
   boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C150DE.AD26AF80"
  X-Priority: 3
  X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
  X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
  X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000

We can see that the "to" field is set up, and the "<>" symbols should not be
a problem since many messages posted in the Mailman list with that same
notation; it could be that tha Mailman list is not using Mailman (... I
don't think so)

Thank you.

> On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote:
> > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is already
suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send a message:
> >
> >     Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject
> >         prueba 3
> >     Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >     The reason it is being held:
> >         Message has implicit destination
> >     Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> >     notification of the moderator's decision.
> >
> > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. Any
idea?
>
> It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc: headers.
>
> This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host name
> this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are using an
> alias it does not know about.
>
> [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information if
> you had included the error message the first time you posted]
>
> Nigel.





From camel at lrllamas.com  Mon Oct 15 15:21:31 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lsoft Listserv archives
Message-ID: <200110151321.f9FDLWZ28346@camel.lrllamas.com>

Anyone had any experience or luck transferring Listserv archives to mailman? 
It's not critical, but it would be a "nice" thing for my listmembers. We have 
a years' worth (many megs indeed). Any help would be appreciated.
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 15:25:14 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 15 Oct 2001 14:25:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apparent message lossage
In-Reply-To: <1002881670.1007.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>
References: <1002881670.1007.26.camel@gaspode.localnet>
Message-ID: <1003152314.3079.12.camel@gaspode.localnet>

I found the reason for this.  The MUA I'm using (evolution) added a bug
where pretty much all readers were copied into a reply from the original
message, including the list control headers (specifically X-Beenthere:).

This caused Mailman to drop the message silently.
I'd suggest that the error path causing a message to dropped in these
circumstances is modified to at least log a message somewhere - anything
that throws mail away *must* be logged otherwise confused mail admins
tear their hair out :-)

	Nigel.





From vlolham at nsw.bigpond.net.au  Tue Oct 16 09:03:33 2001
From: vlolham at nsw.bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:03:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription problem
Message-ID: <004001c15610$ab4e85c0$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

hello,

OS RH7.1
Mailman 2.0.6-1u70_1cl.i386.rpm

If subscribe from internal network for an internal user,
subscription is accepted.

If from outside and anothr somain want to subscribe this
what I get in the logs directory:

bounce: Oct 15 22:40:31 2001 (20542) mylist: address
me at mydomain not a member
post: Oct 15 22:40:31 2001 (20542) post to mylist from
mylist-request at mydomain, size=740, 1 failures
error: none
smtp: Oct 15:30:07 2001 (20432) smtp for 1 recips, completed
in 0.604 seconds
subscribe: Oct 15 22:40:31 2001 (20542) mylist: pending
me at mydomain 210.xxx.xxx.xxx

If from admin page: members management attempt to add a
member of another domain, it adds to the list but no mail go
out to that member.
If the member is from internal network it will register and
send subscription note to the user.

I checked the setting of the httpd.conf and all correct
according to the example.
All file permissions are correct according to check_perms

Aliases also are correct according to the output of newlist
I also add the symbolic link for wrapper in /etc/smrsh
And to make sure all the scripts get permission to execute I
also added symbolic link for post and mailcmd in /etc/smrsh

I check my defauld_domain and url all correct and are FQDN

Please tell me what is wrong?

Thanks.

Regards,

Vania







From donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie  Mon Oct 15 16:26:46 2001
From: donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie (donal.hunt2 at mail.dcu.ie)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:26:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug: "very low level failure" [solved]
In-Reply-To: <15299.50653.855946.709462@geddy.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3BCAA81D00000803@hawk.dcu.ie>

Just to let you know that we solved the problem below.
Turns out it was to do with rlimits causing problems with Apache.
All is good now though.
:)

Donal

>-- Original Message --
>Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:51:57 -0400
>To: Donal Hunt 
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org, mailman-developers at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bug: "very low level failure"
>From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
>
>
>
>>>>>> "DH" == Donal Hunt  writes:
>
>    DH> For once i'm completely stumped.
>
>    | History:
>    | -------
>    | Python 2.1.1 on Solaris 8 (Sparc Edtion).
>    | Apache 1.3.20.
>    | Installed Mailman 2.0.6 using:
>
>    DH> Just get the following message:
>
>    DH> "Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not
>    DH> even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this
>    DH> to the Mailman administrator at this site."
>
>I suspect there's something wrong with your Python installation.
>You'd only get this low level error if you got an exception in the
>driver script's print_traceback() or print_environment() functions.
>
>One thought: are you positive that you're using Python 2.1.1 with the
>web interface?  If the Python you're using doesn't support extended
>print, that could be your problem.
>
>Try running the driver script manually from the install directory.
>You'll get an exception, but it shouldn't be a low level one (probably
>an IndexError trying to extract the the cgi program's name from
>sys.argv).  E.g.:
>
>% PYTHONPATH=. python -S scripts/driver
>
>Make sure `python' is exactly the one you gave on the configure line.
>If you get some other exception, or error, it should give you an
>indication of the problem that's occurring.
>
>-Barry







From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Oct 15 16:30:48 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not working
In-Reply-To: <328972896.20011014130825@webfavor.com>
References: <328972896.20011014130825@webfavor.com>
Message-ID: <20011015103048.B2655@mems-exchange.org>

On 14 October 2001, Abigail Marshall said:
> my mailing list simply quit working. I don't know why.
> 
> The error logs show this series of entries for all messages sent.
> 
> > Oct 14 19:46:01 2001 (45918) Delivery exception:
> > Oct 14 19:46:01 2001 (45918) Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
> >     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in process
> >     inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 166, in inject_digest
> >     digest = Digest(mlist, topicsdata, fp.read())
> > MemoryError:

You might be running out of memory.  How big are your digests, and how
much virtual memory does this machine have?

        Greg



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 16:46:59 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:46:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription problem
References: <004001c15610$ab4e85c0$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <008a01c15588$3e988260$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Classic Relay problem with your MTA.

What are you using for your MTA (Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, Qmail, ....)?
If you are using Sendmail v8.11.xxx then you might want to look into your
/etc/mail/access file and see if your local machine has the right to relay
(send mail to an exterior mailserver).

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vania Lolham" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription problem


> hello,
>
> OS RH7.1
> Mailman 2.0.6-1u70_1cl.i386.rpm
>
> If subscribe from internal network for an internal user,
> subscription is accepted.
>
> If from outside and anothr somain want to subscribe this
> what I get in the logs directory:
>
> bounce: Oct 15 22:40:31 2001 (20542) mylist: address
> me at mydomain not a member
> post: Oct 15 22:40:31 2001 (20542) post to mylist from
> mylist-request at mydomain, size=740, 1 failures
> error: none
> smtp: Oct 15:30:07 2001 (20432) smtp for 1 recips, completed
> in 0.604 seconds
> subscribe: Oct 15 22:40:31 2001 (20542) mylist: pending
> me at mydomain 210.xxx.xxx.xxx
>
> If from admin page: members management attempt to add a
> member of another domain, it adds to the list but no mail go
> out to that member.
> If the member is from internal network it will register and
> send subscription note to the user.
>
> I checked the setting of the httpd.conf and all correct
> according to the example.
> All file permissions are correct according to check_perms
>
> Aliases also are correct according to the output of newlist
> I also add the symbolic link for wrapper in /etc/smrsh
> And to make sure all the scripts get permission to execute I
> also added symbolic link for post and mailcmd in /etc/smrsh
>
> I check my defauld_domain and url all correct and are FQDN
>
> Please tell me what is wrong?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Vania
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 16:50:31 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:50:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lsoft Listserv archives
References: <200110151321.f9FDLWZ28346@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <009801c15588$bcbd4b80$0b04010a@JCARNES>

If your archives are html and searchable via the web already, then you
should just be able to copy over the files into their own directory and
leave it at that.  You might want to add a link on your mailman archives
page to indicate the URL for older archived email.

Just a suggestion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Camel" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lsoft Listserv archives


> Anyone had any experience or luck transferring Listserv archives to
mailman?
> It's not critical, but it would be a "nice" thing for my listmembers. We
have
> a years' worth (many megs indeed). Any help would be appreciated.
> --
> Jay S. Curtis
> Camelid Listowner
> member info / subscribe / user options at:
> http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 16:57:44 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:57:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List
References: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn><03f101c150c6$8232f990$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> <1002636519.10963.26.camel@gaspode.localnet> <002001c1554f$b41ef6b0$3203a8c0@aragorn>
Message-ID: <00a001c15589$c57da1b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

In the Admin web pages under "General Options" what is the value for "Host
name this list prefers"?  According to your message, it needs to be
"kanal.vg".

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "craver voun" 
To: "Nigel Metheringham" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List


> This is the second time I get this message from the list :?
> About the "to" and "cc" fields in the messages I send, here is tha header
of
> one of the messages I sent and was not post directly:
>
>   Reply-To: "craver voun" 
>   From: "craver voun" 
>   To: 
>   Subject: prueba 9
>   Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200
>   Organization: K#VG
>   MIME-Version: 1.0
>   Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>    boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C150DE.AD26AF80"
>   X-Priority: 3
>   X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
>   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
>
> We can see that the "to" field is set up, and the "<>" symbols should not
be
> a problem since many messages posted in the Mailman list with that same
> notation; it could be that tha Mailman list is not using Mailman (... I
> don't think so)
>
> Thank you.
>
> > On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote:
> > > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is
already
> suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send a message:
> > >
> > >     Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject
> > >         prueba 3
> > >     Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> > >     The reason it is being held:
> > >         Message has implicit destination
> > >     Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will
receive
> > >     notification of the moderator's decision.
> > >
> > > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. Any
> idea?
> >
> > It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc: headers.
> >
> > This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host name
> > this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are using an
> > alias it does not know about.
> >
> > [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information if
> > you had included the error message the first time you posted]
> >
> > Nigel.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From craver at kanal.vg  Mon Oct 15 17:05:02 2001
From: craver at kanal.vg (craver voun)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:05:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List
References: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn><03f101c150c6$8232f990$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> <1002636519.10963.26.camel@gaspode.localnet> <002001c1554f$b41ef6b0$3203a8c0@aragorn> <00a001c15589$c57da1b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <007101c1558a$c54e5ee0$3203a8c0@aragorn>

> In the Admin web pages under "General Options" what is the value for "Host
> name this list prefers"?  According to your message, it needs to be
> "kanal.vg".

    It is set to "kanal.vg" already.



> > This is the second time I get this message from the list :?
> > About the "to" and "cc" fields in the messages I send, here is tha
header
> of
> > one of the messages I sent and was not post directly:
> >
> >   Reply-To: "craver voun" 
> >   From: "craver voun" 
> >   To: 
> >   Subject: prueba 9
> >   Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200
> >   Organization: K#VG
> >   MIME-Version: 1.0
> >   Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> >    boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C150DE.AD26AF80"
> >   X-Priority: 3
> >   X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> >   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> >   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> >
> > We can see that the "to" field is set up, and the "<>" symbols should
not
> be
> > a problem since many messages posted in the Mailman list with that same
> > notation; it could be that tha Mailman list is not using Mailman (... I
> > don't think so)
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > > On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote:
> > > > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is
> already
> > suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send a message:
> > > >
> > > >     Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject
> > > >         prueba 3
> > > >     Is being held until the list moderator can review it for
approval.
> > > >     The reason it is being held:
> > > >         Message has implicit destination
> > > >     Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will
> receive
> > > >     notification of the moderator's decision.
> > > >
> > > > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means. Any
> > idea?
> > >
> > > It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc:
headers.
> > >
> > > This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host name
> > > this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are using
an
> > > alias it does not know about.
> > >
> > > [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information if
> > > you had included the error message the first time you posted]
> > >
> > > Nigel.





From jerry at sandiego.edu  Fri Oct 12 23:17:53 2001
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (jerry at sandiego.edu)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:17:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding NNTP Gateway info to HTMLFormater.py
Message-ID: <20011012141753.023910%jerry@sandiego.edu>

I added the following lines to HTMLFormatter.py:

   '' : self.linked_newsgroup,
   '' : self.nntp_host,

in the "GetStandardReplacements(self)" def return {}. This makes it possible to add generic newsgroup/newshost info to, for example, the listinfo page.

Now, I have one generic 'general list info' page for non-gatewayed lists, and one for gatewayed lists.

Jerry




From allisgrace at email.msn.com  Sat Oct 13 23:38:40 2001
From: allisgrace at email.msn.com (Lonnie Sorensen)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:38:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new customer question
Message-ID: <000001c1542f$bc61b2c0$c800a8c0@msn.com>

Dear Mailman!

Our network has just switched to your program.
I am a moderator of a list.
I am not fond of msn as an isp, but I have a 3 yr. contract so I could save
money ---and it has been AWFUL.
My question is.......have you heard of difficulties with your system and
msn?
My mail to my list has been getting hung up since the switch.

Lonnie Sorensen




From cjohnson at wcug.wwu.edu  Sun Oct 14 01:39:39 2001
From: cjohnson at wcug.wwu.edu (Christopher Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost admin password/aliases
Message-ID: 

Yes, I get to wear the pointy hat ATM.

I upgraded the department's Solaris box from 2.6->2.8 and forgot to save
the aliases mailman generated for the lists it runs.  It's also been so
long since I worked on Mailman that I've forgotten the admin password.

So my questions are:
	1) How can I recover/reset the administrative password?

	2) How can I regenerate the aliases for the lists Mailman manages?

Thanks in advance!

Chris Johnson
cjohnson at wcug.wwu.edu
"Your premise is based on logic, 
	which is why it won't work."




From netsql at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 15 01:21:51 2001
From: netsql at sbcglobal.net (Vic Cekvenich)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:21:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3BCA1E0F.8020203@sbcglobal.net>

I need help seting up a mail server, list and news server.
Any suggestions?
Vic @proj.com




From optimumracingleague at optimumracingleague.com  Mon Oct 15 04:41:21 2001
From: optimumracingleague at optimumracingleague.com (ORL@ORL)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: 

Hello.  I have a Mailman list through Hostway.com.  I receive an email when
someone requests to send a mailing to the list and that email contains a
link.  The link refers me to a page that asks for a password.  This password
is different than the password I use to access the list in the Hostway
Control Panel.  How do I find out the other password?  Thank you for your
time.

-OptimumRL
www.SimRacingStore.com
www.OptimumRacingLeague.com
www.GoSimRacing.com
www.SimTournament.com
www.TheRacingSource.com




From vaughn at the-i-junction.com  Mon Oct 15 18:20:39 2001
From: vaughn at the-i-junction.com (Vaughn Cleminson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:20:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Someone trying to use mailman for spamming?
Message-ID: <006901c15595$54db97d0$1600a8c0@ijunc22>

Hi All

I think someone is trying to get my mailman to spam for them.
My question is, am I right, and did it work?

Thanks
Vaughn

I found the following in my sendmail logs:
Oct 15 17:00:10 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4097]: f9FJ0Ah04097:
from=, size=1659, class=-60,
nrcpts=1, msgid=<200110151900.f9FJ0Ah04097 at localhost.icelogic.co.za>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IJUNC-OBIWAN [127.0.0.1]
Oct 15 17:00:14 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4101]: f9FJ0Eh04101:
from=, size=1398, class=-60,
nrcpts=1, msgid=<200110151900.f9FJ0Eh04101 at localhost.icelogic.co.za>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IJUNC-OBIWAN [127.0.0.1]
Oct 15 17:00:16 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4105]: f9FJ0Fh04105:
from=, size=1376, class=-60,
nrcpts=1, msgid=<200110151900.f9FJ0Fh04105 at localhost.icelogic.co.za>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=IJUNC-OBIWAN [127.0.0.1]
Oct 15 17:00:18 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4098]: f9FJ0Ah04097:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner ee-newslist",
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:08,
xdelay=00:00:08, mailer=prog, pri=138708, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Oct 15 17:00:18 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4102]: f9FJ0Eh04101:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner elektronlist",
ctladdr= (8/0),
delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:04, mailer=prog, pri=138421, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent
Oct 15 17:00:19 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4106]: f9FJ0Fh04105:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner energizelist",
ctladdr= (8/0),
delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=prog, pri=138421, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent
Oct 15 17:00:33 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F6ALK25168:
to=, delay=12:50:12, xdelay=00:01:02, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1203734, relay=mail.iupi.pt. [195.22.0.198], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred:
Connection timed out with mail.iupi.pt.
Oct 15 17:00:33 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F6AMK25179:
to=, delay=12:50:11, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1203734, relay=mail.iupi.pt., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed
out with mail.iupi.pt.
Oct 15 17:00:33 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F6AMK25173:
to=, delay=12:50:11, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1203742, relay=mail.iupi.pt., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed
out with mail.iupi.pt.
Oct 15 17:00:33 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F6AMK25176:
to=, delay=12:50:11, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1203746, relay=mail.iupi.pt., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection timed
out with mail.iupi.pt.
Oct 15 17:00:49 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F1qQK24283:
to=, delay=17:08:23, xdelay=00:00:15, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1652156, relay=mx2.777.net.cn. [61.157.152.12], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred: Connection reset by mx2.777.net.cn.
Oct 15 17:00:49 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F1qQK24286:
to=, delay=17:08:22, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1652156, relay=mx1.777.net.cn., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
reset by mx1.777.net.cn.
Oct 15 17:00:49 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F1qPK24279:
to=, delay=17:08:24, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1652164, relay=mx2.777.net.cn., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
reset by mx2.777.net.cn.
Oct 15 17:00:49 IJUNC-OBIWAN sendmail[4080]: f9F1qOK24274:
to=, delay=17:08:24, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp,
pri=1652168, relay=mx1.777.net.cn., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection
reset by mx1.777.net.cn.----------------------


Vaughn Cleminson
the-i-junction.com
+27 11 726-4922
www.the-i-junction.com




From pwilliamson at mandtbank.com  Mon Oct 15 18:21:46 2001
From: pwilliamson at mandtbank.com (Paul C. Williamson)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:21:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new customer question
Message-ID: 

I thought MSN was part of Microsoft?  Doesn't Microsoft hate open source 
stuff?  

Interesting....

>>> "Lonnie Sorensen"  10/13/01 05:38PM >>>
Dear Mailman!

Our network has just switched to your program.
I am a moderator of a list.
I am not fond of msn as an isp, but I have a 3 yr. contract so I could save
money ---and it has been AWFUL.
My question is.......have you heard of difficulties with your system and
msn?
My mail to my list has been getting hung up since the switch.

Lonnie Sorensen


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Oct 15 18:37:49 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:37:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searchable archives?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011011154208.02d55a78@mail.merl.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011011103248.00aa19f0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20011010123609.068b3278@mail.merl.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011015162131.028cf778@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:45 11/10/2001 -0400, Jimmy McDonald wrote:

>I have a couple more questions before I start trying this out.
>
>The mailman server is an internal server and cannot
>be accessed from the outside world so I plan to
>push the archives outside the firewall every night.

These comments refer to the patches listed below and as a general comment 
your proposed approach will not fit that well with using the patches.

If you intend to copy the html version of your mail archives in this way 
there are a number of issues to consider:

1. You may want to rewrite the html pages as you copy them because some of 
them (e.g. index.html, subject.html, thread.html and date.html) have 
installation specific information (extracted from 
$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py e.g. DEFAULT_URL) baked into them. These URLs 
will presumably be invalid once the pages have been copied.

2. Sort out your approach to controlling access to these archives. For 
example, access to private Mailman archives is normally mediated by the 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/private.py script (i.e this script is called to return 
archived e-mail from private archives) which in turn refers to the Mailman 
'database' of information for the list containing subscriber ids and 
passwords. These mechanisms will presumably not be available on the machine 
outside/on the firewall which will be serving the copied archive data. The 
patches strive to retain the standard Mailman privacy protection. The URLs 
returned by htdig searches will all make the browser go via the 
$prefix/Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py script which imposes the same access 
restrictions as private.py (which happens to be none in the case of public 
archives). Again, this script presumably won't be available on your machine 
outside/on the firewall.


>If I install mailman with the htdig patch on my web
>server (and not run sendmail) will this work or does the

I can't see the relevance of the MTA to the issue.

The patches below are designed to seamlessly integrate search with the 
standard Mailman means of accessing either private or public html mail 
archives produced by Mailman built-in archiver, pipermail.

You could use htdig or any other search engine to provide search facilities 
for html archives you have transferred outside your firewall but then the 
situation is sufficiently different that the patches have limited relevance.

>htdig information get processed as a message is archived?
>If so, can the htdig database be pushed as well?

The patches use htdig in a fairly conventional way and include a cron 
activated script which runs htdig daily to updates its indexes of the mail 
archives. One of the specialisations is that the patches automatically 
create an htdig config file per mail list. This leads to per list htdig 
indexes and per list searches: which is how list privacy is maintained. If 
you are going to move public list archives outside you may not want this 
fine grain control over search and access control.

If you are going to proceed as you suggest and transfer archives from 
inside to outside server each night then you might just as well do your own 
set up of htdig/your-search-engine-of-choice and build the indexes on the 
external server each night after doing the data transfer.

Hope the above helps.

>Thanks,
>Jimmy
>
>
>>>I have a mailman list that keeps archives and
>>>someone wants me to make those archives
>>>searchable via a web browser.
>>>
>>>Is there a way mailman can do this?
>>>Any other thoughts?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------
>>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>>The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search 
>>engine with Mailman.
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103
>>
>>The main features of the patch, from its sourceforge summary are:
>>
>>1. per list search facility with a search form on the
>>list's TOC page.
>>
>>2. maintenance of privacy of private archives which
>>requires the user to establish their credentials via
>>the normal private archive access before any access
>>via htdig is allowed.
>>
>>3. a common base URL for both public and private
>>archive access via htsearch results so that htdig
>>indices are unaffected by changing an archive from
>>private to public and vice versa. All access to
>>archives via htdig is controlled by a new wrapped cgi-
>>bin script called htdig.py.
>>
>>4. a new cron activated script and extra crontab entry
>>which runs htdig regularly to maintain the per list
>>search indices.
>>
>>5. automatic creation, deletion and maintenance of
>>htdig configuration files and such. Beyond installing
>>htdig and telling Mailman where it is via mm_cfg you
>>do not have to do any other setup. Well not quite you
>>do have to set up a single per installation symlink to
>>allow htdig to find the automatically generated per
>>list htdig configuration files.
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From tech at murrain.net  Mon Oct 15 19:27:00 2001
From: tech at murrain.net (Michelle Murrain)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hanging admin pages
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015132350.02864768@66.39.10.250>

Hi Folks,

I have a mailman installation that has been working fine for probably 6 
months now. It's running about 20 lists. All of a sudden, the admin page to 
only one of those lists is not coming up - it just hangs. You can get to 
any of the other admin interfaces for other lists on the server, and they 
work fine.

Any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Nothing significant has 
changed in the server configuration lately.

Thanks!

.Michelle

---------------------------------------
Michelle Murrain, Ph.D.
tech at murrain.net
AIM:pearlbear0
http://www.murrain.net/public_key.html for pgp public key





From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 19:34:43 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:34:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List
References: <006201c150bd$22ea3560$3203a8c0@aragorn><03f101c150c6$8232f990$0b04010a@JCARNES> <00af01c150ca$2ed76b10$3203a8c0@aragorn> <1002636519.10963.26.camel@gaspode.localnet> <002001c1554f$b41ef6b0$3203a8c0@aragorn> <00a001c15589$c57da1b0$0b04010a@JCARNES> <007101c1558a$c54e5ee0$3203a8c0@aragorn>
Message-ID: <01c301c1559f$ad525660$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Web-over to the admin interface and under "Privacy Options" edit the field:
  "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination
names for this list"

Add lista at kanal.vg to the field.

That should force mailman to allow the name.  Out of curiosity, does you
server have multiple domain names (like kanal.vg and kanal.org)?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "craver voun" 
To: "Jon Carnes" ; "Nigel Metheringham"

Cc: 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Moderated List


> > In the Admin web pages under "General Options" what is the value for
"Host
> > name this list prefers"?  According to your message, it needs to be
> > "kanal.vg".
>
>     It is set to "kanal.vg" already.
>
>
>
> > > This is the second time I get this message from the list :?
> > > About the "to" and "cc" fields in the messages I send, here is tha
> header
> > of
> > > one of the messages I sent and was not post directly:
> > >
> > >   Reply-To: "craver voun" 
> > >   From: "craver voun" 
> > >   To: 
> > >   Subject: prueba 9
> > >   Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:23:06 +0200
> > >   Organization: K#VG
> > >   MIME-Version: 1.0
> > >   Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > >    boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C150DE.AD26AF80"
> > >   X-Priority: 3
> > >   X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> > >   X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > >   X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000
> > >
> > > We can see that the "to" field is set up, and the "<>" symbols should
> not
> > be
> > > a problem since many messages posted in the Mailman list with that
same
> > > notation; it could be that tha Mailman list is not using Mailman (...
I
> > > don't think so)
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 14:56, craver voun wrote:
> > > > > I have checked and the email I am using to send the messsage is
> > already
> > > suscribed. This is the message i get every time I try to send a
message:
> > > > >
> > > > >     Your mail to 'Lista' with the subject
> > > > >         prueba 3
> > > > >     Is being held until the list moderator can review it for
> approval.
> > > > >     The reason it is being held:
> > > > >         Message has implicit destination
> > > > >     Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will
> > receive
> > > > >     notification of the moderator's decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't undestand what "Message has implicit destination" means.
Any
> > > idea?
> > > >
> > > > It means that the address of the list is not in the To: or Cc:
> headers.
> > > >
> > > > This often means that you have an incorrect host set in the "Host
name
> > > > this list prefers" (bottom of General options page), or you are
using
> an
> > > > alias it does not know about.
> > > >
> > > > [It would have made it much easier to give you accurate information
if
> > > > you had included the error message the first time you posted]
> > > >
> > > > Nigel.
>
>
>
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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 19:57:22 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:57:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hanging admin pages
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015132350.02864768@66.39.10.250>
Message-ID: <01fc01c155a2$d728e910$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Check the lock files in ~mailman/locks  If there are files in there, then
Mailman may think that some other process is using the database, and is
locking you out.  The name of the lock file will contain the name of the
mailing list and end in the process number that has the lock.

Assuming you find a lock file keeping you out, you can find the process by
ps ax |grep process#

If the process is non-existent, then delete the lock file.  If the process
is frozen, kill the process first, then remove the lock file.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michelle Murrain" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hanging admin pages


> Hi Folks,
>
> I have a mailman installation that has been working fine for probably 6
> months now. It's running about 20 lists. All of a sudden, the admin page
to
> only one of those lists is not coming up - it just hangs. You can get to
> any of the other admin interfaces for other lists on the server, and they
> work fine.
>
> Any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Nothing significant has
> changed in the server configuration lately.
>
> Thanks!
>
> .Michelle
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Michelle Murrain, Ph.D.
> tech at murrain.net
> AIM:pearlbear0
> http://www.murrain.net/public_key.html for pgp public key
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gerhard at jasongeo.com  Mon Oct 15 21:46:09 2001
From: gerhard at jasongeo.com (Gerhard den Hollander)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:46:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Giving descriptive names to mail adresses
Message-ID: <20011015214608.S26604@hyperion.jason.nl>

One of the mailman mailinglists I maintain is an annoucne type of
mailinglist.

Occasional short, informational messages to a large group of subscribers.

I manage all subscriptions/unsubscriptions myself.

There's a couple of 100 email adresses subscribed.

Unfortunately the membership management gets a tad complcated.
If I look at the membership pages all I get is a lot of email adresses

xpZorp at yahoo.com
ap122 at home.com
&c &c &c ...

Which is a bit of a pain if I have to sort some users out if I only have
their name.
So I would like some way to add some sort of description to these email
adresses.

Standard email headers allow for a ".." part (e.g.

"Gerhard den Hollander" 

Is there some trick to do the same in mailman , so that the membership list
will look like e.g.

xpZorp at yahoo.com "Joe Dalton"
ap122 at home.com  "Averell Dalton:

&c &c ?



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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 22:23:48 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:23:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new customer question
References: <000001c1542f$bc61b2c0$c800a8c0@msn.com>
Message-ID: <025c01c155b7$4c5ddb00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You might get better answers if you include the errors you are getting.
There are some documented cases where the extra header info included in
Mailman generated mail has caused problems for non-standard email clients.

If this is your problem then please forward on RFC  2369 to whomever is
responsible for your email client.

Take care - Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lonnie Sorensen" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 5:38 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new customer question


> Dear Mailman!
>
> Our network has just switched to your program.
> I am a moderator of a list.
> I am not fond of msn as an isp, but I have a 3 yr. contract so I could
save
> money ---and it has been AWFUL.
> My question is.......have you heard of difficulties with your system and
> msn?
> My mail to my list has been getting hung up since the switch.
>
> Lonnie Sorensen
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 22:28:42 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:28:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
References: 
Message-ID: <026c01c155b7$fb0e7790$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You need the admin password for your list.  The folks who setup your mailman
mailing list should have sent that password to you.  This password is
specifically to allow you to admin this specific list.  The password is not
the same as the one for your email account on this list (or at least it
doesn't have to be..).

Query the system admin for the password.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "ORL at ORL" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:41 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help


> Hello.  I have a Mailman list through Hostway.com.  I receive an email
when
> someone requests to send a mailing to the list and that email contains a
> link.  The link refers me to a page that asks for a password.  This
password
> is different than the password I use to access the list in the Hostway
> Control Panel.  How do I find out the other password?  Thank you for your
> time.
>
> -OptimumRL
> www.SimRacingStore.com
> www.OptimumRacingLeague.com
> www.GoSimRacing.com
> www.SimTournament.com
> www.TheRacingSource.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 22:31:10 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:31:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
References: <3BCA1E0F.8020203@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <027201c155b8$53b3f2d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Try Yahoo.com.  They have a great setup for allowing novices to setup their
own mailing lists complete with archiving.
If you get to the point where you have your server setup and you have
installed Mailman, please let us know if we can help.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vic Cekvenich" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:21 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


> I need help seting up a mail server, list and news server.
> Any suggestions?
> Vic @proj.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 22:37:08 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost admin password/aliases
References: 
Message-ID: <027801c155b9$28d3e290$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> So my questions are:
> 1) How can I recover/reset the administrative password?

You can reset the password by using ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass
This will let you set a site-wide password that is good for administering
any lists.

>
> 2) How can I regenerate the aliases for the lists Mailman manages?

The aliases are all of the form:

## ebulletin mailing list
## created: 19-Jan-2001 craige
ebulletin:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ebulletin"
ebulletin-admin:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner ebulletin"
ebulletin-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ebulletin"
ebulletin-owner:         ebulletin-admin

Be sure that the path to "wrapper" is correct (~mailman/mail/wrapper), and
that you have a link to that file in your /etc/smrsh directory (if you use
Sendmail and have smrsh turned on).





From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 15 22:45:01 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:45:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Giving descriptive names to mail adresses
References: <20011015214608.S26604@hyperion.jason.nl>
Message-ID: <028201c155ba$428c8d30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> So I would like some way to add some sort of description to these email
> adresses.
>
> Standard email headers allow for a ".." part (e.g.
>
> "Gerhard den Hollander" 
>
> Is there some trick to do the same in mailman , so that the membership
list
> will look like e.g.
>
> xpZorp at yahoo.com "Joe Dalton"
> ap122 at home.com  "Averell Dalton:
>
> &c &c ?
>
>From what I have seen on the list, you cannot use a descriptive field with
the email address.  You may wish to make this a Requested Future Feature.
It actually wouldn't be that hard to make happen.  In fact, since its open
source, feel free to do it yourself!  I know I would (except I don't have
the time...).

You might want to make this a self-service item.  Let users subscribe and
unsubscribe themselves.  Simply add a link to the bottom of each email
pointing to the http...listinfo page of your mailman list.  You will still
have confirm on any subscribes, but it will be much less work for you, and
you won't have to match up obscure email addresses to folks names!

Take care - Jon Carnes




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Mon Oct 15 23:29:53 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:29:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost admin password/aliases
In-Reply-To: <027801c155b9$28d3e290$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References:  <027801c155b9$28d3e290$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <01101514295308.03841@va05>

On Monday 15 October 2001 01:37 pm, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > So my questions are:
> > 1) How can I recover/reset the administrative password?
>
> You can reset the password by using ~mailman/bin/mmsitepass
> This will let you set a site-wide password that is good for administering
> any lists.
>
> > 2) How can I regenerate the aliases for the lists Mailman manages?
>
> The aliases are all of the form:
>
> ## ebulletin mailing list
> ## created: 19-Jan-2001 craige
> ebulletin:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ebulletin"
> ebulletin-admin:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner ebulletin"
> ebulletin-request:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd ebulletin"
> ebulletin-owner:         ebulletin-admin
>
> Be sure that the path to "wrapper" is correct (~mailman/mail/wrapper), and
> that you have a link to that file in your /etc/smrsh directory (if you use
> Sendmail and have smrsh turned on).
>

Don't forget to also add the aliases:

mailman: you at buckstopshere.com
mailman-owner: mailman

to catch any site admin related email.

- Ben



From jobrooks at us.dhl.com  Tue Oct 16 00:06:59 2001
From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:06:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hanging admin pages
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011015132350.02864768@66.39.10.250>
Message-ID: <3BCB5E03.A2B7A7F0@us.dhl.com>

If your list is being archived, you might want to see if the archive 
has grown excessively large.

I ran into this exact problem with one of my lists a few months ago, 
but no one has as yet been able to answer yes or no to the questions 
I posed back then...mostly regarding the impact of list performance 
when you've got archives that are so massive that the list delivery
cycle cannot be completed (but the archives are consistently updated
with the new messages).

Then again, maybe my original question should have also been posed
to the developers list as well, but I figured some some of those
talented folks might also peruse this list.


jo


Michelle Murrain wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I have a mailman installation that has been working fine for probably 6
> months now. It's running about 20 lists. All of a sudden, the admin page to
> only one of those lists is not coming up - it just hangs. You can get to
> any of the other admin interfaces for other lists on the server, and they
> work fine.
> 
> Any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Nothing significant has
> changed in the server configuration lately.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> .Michelle
> 
> ---------------------------------------
> Michelle Murrain, Ph.D.
> tech at murrain.net
> AIM:pearlbear0
> http://www.murrain.net/public_key.html for pgp public key
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From miket at scitechsoft.com  Tue Oct 16 02:36:02 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:36:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a limit
Message-ID: <3BCB1E82.25975.1F3A208@localhost>

Is there a limit how many names can be on a list.  Does it slow 
down if a list gets too big.  
This only happens trying to get to the admin page.  I can still get to 
the subscribe info.  It opens at /info not on /admin.
I am experiencing a problem with only one of my lists.  It happens 
to be the largest list.  All of the other lists open fine and work 
correctly.

Thank You
MikeT
******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator 
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 16 03:06:54 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:06:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a limit
In-Reply-To: <3BCB1E82.25975.1F3A208@localhost>
References: <3BCB1E82.25975.1F3A208@localhost>
Message-ID: <01101521065400.01013@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> Is there a limit how many names can be on a list.  Does it slow
> down if a list gets too big.
> This only happens trying to get to the admin page.  I can still get to
> the subscribe info.  It opens at /info not on /admin.
> I am experiencing a problem with only one of my lists.  It happens
> to be the largest list.  All of the other lists open fine and work
> correctly.
>
> Thank You
> MikeT

A fast processor, SCSI disk subsystem, and an optimized MTA like Postfix 
can help out with large lists.  Folks have reported lists as high as 
200,000 email addresses without problems.

You might want to check your lockfiles in ~mailman/locks
If there are files in there, then Mailman may think that some other process 
is using the database, and is locking you out.  The name of the lock file 
will contain the name of the mailing list and end in the process number 
that has the lock.

Assuming you find a lock file keeping you out, you can find the process by
ps ax |grep process#  (at least in Linux)

If the process is non-existent, then delete the lock file.  If the process
is frozen, kill the process first, then remove the lock file.  If its still 
running, then you've got to speed up your system!

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From benwa at ocentrix.com  Tue Oct 16 08:45:11 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:45:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail wrapper error
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011015233958.02ff8660@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 08:55 PM 10/14/01 -0400, Ken wrote:
>Well, down to the 'last' error to overcome, I hope.  When I try to send a
>registration confirm I get an error.
>
>
>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
>554 5.3.0 "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd atmswap"... unknown mailer
>error 2
>
>2 is root/bin/daemon.  I tried recompiling using --with-mail-GID=2, but
>compiling shows:  checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 12

Try again using "--with-mail-gid=2".

If it looks like I'm saying the same thing you're doing don't forget that 
parameters are case sensitive.  Then go take a walk and get some fresh 
air... try not to think about computers for a while.  Look at some mountains.

Good Luck,

- Ben




From bardtomm at webkom.no  Tue Oct 16 14:03:09 2001
From: bardtomm at webkom.no (bardtomm at webkom.no)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:03:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1003233789.3bcc21fd34c1b@webmail.webkom.no>


Problems when creating new list.

I have created a new list called "test"
but when i try to send an email to the list i get
(reason: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown

Can anyone tell me what could be wrong


Installed on RH 7.0 with rpm file


Regards
B?rd Tommy Nilsen



From klowther at cisnet.com  Tue Oct 16 14:40:08 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 08:40:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011015233958.02ff8660@mail.ocentrix.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011015233958.02ff8660@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: 

On Tuesday 16 October 2001 02:45 am, Ben Burnett wrote:
> At 08:55 PM 10/14/01 -0400, Ken wrote:
> >Well, down to the 'last' error to overcome, I hope.  When I try to send a
> >registration confirm I get an error.
> >
> >
> >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
> > 2?) 554 5.3.0 "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd atmswap"... unknown
> > mailer error 2
> >
> >2 is root/bin/daemon.  I tried recompiling using --with-mail-GID=2, but
> >compiling shows:  checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 12
>
> Try again using "--with-mail-gid=2".
>
> If it looks like I'm saying the same thing you're doing don't forget that
> parameters are case sensitive.  Then go take a walk and get some fresh
> air... try not to think about computers for a while.  Look at some
> mountains.
>

Thanks.  I think the error is in my posting.  Since I am running this from a 
script, I can check it though.

Ken



From camel at lrllamas.com  Tue Oct 16 15:22:32 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:22:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] v2.1.xxx
Message-ID: <200110161322.f9GDMXw11212@camel.lrllamas.com>

anyone have a step-by-step for 2.0.6 >> 2.1.xx
in  english instead of linux-eese?
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From schlade3 at home.com  Tue Oct 16 15:38:37 2001
From: schlade3 at home.com (Christopher Johnson)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 07:38:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1003233789.3bcc21fd34c1b@webmail.webkom.no>
Message-ID: <000301c15647$dc4a05f0$6cad0918@ogden1.ut.home.com>

The RPM doesn't add sendmail aliases. While you are setting up your new
list, it will tell you to add a bunch of aliases. If you don't do that
you won't be able to send any messages through the list.  

===
Christopher Johnson
schlade3 at home.com


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of bardtomm at webkom.no
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:03 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)



Problems when creating new list.

I have created a new list called "test"
but when i try to send an email to the list i get
(reason: 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown

Can anyone tell me what could be wrong


Installed on RH 7.0 with rpm file


Regards
B?rd Tommy Nilsen

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From abigail at webfavor.com  Tue Oct 16 18:49:38 2001
From: abigail at webfavor.com (Abigail Marshall)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:49:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not working
In-Reply-To: <20011015103048.B2655@mems-exchange.org>
References: <328972896.20011014130825@webfavor.com>
 <20011015103048.B2655@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <105390073.20011016094938@webfavor.com>

Monday, October 15, 2001, 7:30:48 AM, Greg Ward wrote:

GW> You might be running out of memory.  How big are your digests, and how
GW> much virtual memory does this machine have?

Actually, I figured out the problem and made a bug report on it.

Something cause the system to go haywire and loop/repeat the same
message so that the digests had grown to huge size (+10 megs). This is
on a mailing list that typically gets 2-3 posts a day and is set for
daily digests.

I solved the problem by deleting the next digest files, error logging
files (also grown to unmanageable size), and all files in the queue.

-- 
Best regards,
 Abigail




From miket at scitechsoft.com  Tue Oct 16 19:13:21 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:13:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a limit
In-Reply-To: <01101521065400.01013@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3BCB1E82.25975.1F3A208@localhost>
Message-ID: <3BCC0841.31115.584E76A@localhost>

Yea you are right.  The lock files contained the files with (pid).  After 
I clean the ~mailman/lock directory and kill the process/s I get:
*********************************************************************************
apache     802  0.5  2.1  4344 2752 ?        S    08:46   0:00 
/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver admin
*********************************************************************************
in my processes after I try to access the /members portion of the 
list in question.  

What is qrunner.lock this is also appearing in the ~mailman/lock 
directory.

Thanks for any help.
MikeT

On 15 Oct 2001, at 21:06, Jon Carnes wrote:

> > Is there a limit how many names can be on a list.  Does it slow
> > down if a list gets too big.
> > This only happens trying to get to the admin page.  I can still get to
> > the subscribe info.  It opens at /info not on /admin.
> > I am experiencing a problem with only one of my lists.  It happens
> > to be the largest list.  All of the other lists open fine and work
> > correctly.
> >
> > Thank You
> > MikeT
> 
> A fast processor, SCSI disk subsystem, and an optimized MTA like Postfix 
> can help out with large lists.  Folks have reported lists as high as 
> 200,000 email addresses without problems.
> 
> You might want to check your lockfiles in ~mailman/locks
> If there are files in there, then Mailman may think that some other process 
> is using the database, and is locking you out.  The name of the lock file 
> will contain the name of the mailing list and end in the process number 
> that has the lock.
> 
> Assuming you find a lock file keeping you out, you can find the process by
> ps ax |grep process#  (at least in Linux)
> 
> If the process is non-existent, then delete the lock file.  If the process
> is frozen, kill the process first, then remove the lock file.  If its still 
> running, then you've got to speed up your system!
> 
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
> 


******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator 
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151



From christianb at visuaide.com  Tue Oct 16 19:34:23 2001
From: christianb at visuaide.com (Christian Billette)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:34:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject line in french
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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Oct 16 20:16:36 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:16:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a limit
References: <3BCB1E82.25975.1F3A208@localhost> <3BCC0841.31115.584E76A@localhost>
Message-ID: <008501c1566e$b42a8000$0b04010a@JCARNES>

>
> What is qrunner.lock this is also appearing in the ~mailman/lock
> directory.
>
> Thanks for any help.
> MikeT
>
Mailman is not driven by a daemon that runs continuously, instead it is a
series of scripts run in Python.  Cron kicks off the various scripts at
pre-defined times.  When a script kicks off, it looks at the lock directory
to see if any other script is currently running against the list and its
database.  If it finds a lock file it backs down and waits to be kicked off
again by cron.  If it doesn't find a lock file, then it creates one and
begins doing its job.

Look in the crontab for mailman to see all the scripts and when they are
kicked off.  The qrunner script is the heart of Mailman.  It processes
messages and moves them between Mailman and your MTA. Qrunner is set to kick
off once every minute, looking for messages that need to be processed.

If you see a lock from qrunner (and the process is actually running and not
locked) then you should leave it be.  It's working for you.

Mail is funny stuff.  90% of it flies off your machine and is gone rapidly
to its destination.  The other 10% goes to overloaded or poorly configured
mailservers and takes forever to deliver (and eats up your resources as you
try to deliver it over and over, and...)

Jon Carnes




From camel at lrllamas.com  Tue Oct 16 21:06:24 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:06:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lsoft Listserv archives
In-Reply-To: <009801c15588$bcbd4b80$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <200110151321.f9FDLWZ28346@camel.lrllamas.com> <009801c15588$bcbd4b80$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <200110161906.f9GJ6Ow14804@camel.lrllamas.com>

MHonArc worked..

On Monday 15 October 2001 10:50 am, you wrote:
> If your archives are html and searchable via the web already, then you
> should just be able to copy over the files into their own directory and
> leave it at that.  You might want to add a link on your mailman archives
> page to indicate the URL for older archived email.
>

> > Anyone had any experience or luck transferring Listserv archives to
>
> mailman?
>
> > It's not critical, but it would be a "nice" thing for my listmembers. We
>
> have
>
> > a years' worth (many megs indeed). Any help would be appreciated.
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From john at nisus.com  Tue Oct 16 20:21:55 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 11:21:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TFM & black hole syndrome
Message-ID: 

> I really don't think RFTM is rude -- it's reality.
> If more people did it there'd definitely be less general
> confusion and that's, in fact, what the docs are for
> -- issues such as this.

Yah, the trick these days is figuring out which manual.
With mailman, we have mailman itself, python, sendmail
(or whatever), Apache (or whatever), several operating
system variants (with their own file tree & permission
schemes) & shells.

What is TFM for mailman?  Is it the admin web page,
list manager page, the READMEs, or something
completely different?

I've got Mac OS X 10.1 (with its pre-installed sendmail)
mailman 2.1
After the first pass fumbling about, I re-installed
python & mailman cleanly, then the next day logged into
the mailman account and did a newlist to create one for
testing.  That seemed to go OK.  Then I added a user
(different from list owner), checked that by having it
list the members, checked the config for the list to see
that it looked reasonable, then sent a message from that
user to the list... and it didn't get to either the admin
nor to the list member, nor did it bounce back as
undeliverable.

One complication is that we've got another mail server at
the site (also running sendmail & a POP3), and another web
server (I think running Apache, but didn't set that one up,
so am not sure), but I'd like to configure all these parts
together on another system for managing the lists (getting
them on one box is one purpose of the exercise).

I don't see how the web pages get transformed from the
templates into something usable.  Does the list creation
do this?  (Hmmm, will have to muck about to look at those
scripts to see if I can find the ones involved.)  Where do
they get placed... or how do I control where they get
placed in the file hierarchy?

"There is no excellent beauty that hath not some
 strangeness in the proportion." --- quantum physics text

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From arandall at auntminnie.com  Tue Oct 16 23:30:57 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:30:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TFM & black hole syndrome
References: 
Message-ID: <3BCCA711.3691C20D@auntminnie.com>

jgo wrote:

> > I really don't think RFTM is rude -- it's reality.
> > If more people did it there'd definitely be less general
> > confusion and that's, in fact, what the docs are for
> > -- issues such as this.
>
> Yah, the trick these days is figuring out which manual.
> With mailman, we have mailman itself, python, sendmail
> (or whatever), Apache (or whatever), several operating
> system variants (with their own file tree & permission
> schemes) & shells.
>
> What is TFM for mailman?  Is it the admin web page,
> list manager page, the READMEs, or something
> completely different?

Well, and then there's the fact that TFM is, generally speaking: fragmented,
incoherent, written from the developer's perspective (rather than the
administrator's), not entirely up-to-date, not comprehensive, rarely up to
technical writing standards, and not always even in standardized English
(American or British, I care not which).

Now, I'm one of those people who's sort of BT and DT. I am told that I have an IQ
that has given fits to standardized test makers. I held a MENSA membership for a
while (until the novelty wore off). I solve intricate logic puzzles for fun. I've
written, QA'ed, and had to support both code and technical documentation for all
sorts of weird things written by all sorts of people. I have also taught subjects
ranging from kindergarten to continuing coursework for educators (most of whom
had masters, and many had doctorates), and therefore had opportunities to read
samples of writing from a wide and wild assortment of sources. I've been "doing
computers" (as my mother says) for more years than I care to count, and hopefully
therefore have at least a bare foundation of essential knowledge in the subject.
I must tell you, my first experience with Linux software documentation gave me a
migraine. It wasn't worth the energy used to display the FM on the screen. I
understood less after reading it than before. My allergy to this bizarre and
unhelpful genre of "writing" is not getting much better with the passage of time.
If I can't understand it ... well, I feel sorry for my former boss, who was
certainly no dummy and picking things up fast, but wouldn't have stood a chance
with those worthless docs...  I've long been tempted to hand one of these
products to a group of ten-year-olds and have then write the tech manual for it,
because their writing is, on average, more insightful, logical, and easy to
follow.

Having vented that little bit of spleen, I have to say that the Mailman docs are
less offensive than most. :-) I suppose one also gets what one pays for: if I had
forked over for Mailman the kind of dough I just forked over for a certain other
piece of software, and had the manual for that software read like the Mailman
documentation, I might have asked for my money back. (By contrast, if the manual
for that software had read like, say, the Sendmail docs, I'd have sued for
damages and emotional pain and suffering.)

So, for all the folks out there who've read everything, tried to make sense of
it, failed, and asked an even remotely intelligent question of his or her peers,
only to be told to RTFM, I stand up and say: Bullpuckey. Reading the FM is not
always sufficient to answer one's questions. Too, even the best and brightest
system administrator has days when he or she cannot see the forest for the trees
- perhaps due to too little sleep, too much caffeine, too many interruptions, too
many days beating one's head against the same recalcitrant problem, or simply the
daily communications gap that occurs from people's differences in connotations
and grammar - and having a peer point out the obvious missing piece is far more
productive (and less insulting) than having that peer tell him/her to RTFM. Gods,
it's like Microsoft tech support! Surely we can do better than that.

::getting down off soapbox and returning to work::

=)
Amanda





From seanj at xyke.com  Wed Oct 17 00:06:24 2001
From: seanj at xyke.com (Sean Jensen-Grey)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix, bsd, and local delivery uses differnt GID than external
 delivery
Message-ID: 

When mail gets sent from a local user to the list running on the local
machine (postifix, freebsd, pine) the wrapper gets invoked with GID 1, but
if the message gets send from an external user it gets invoked with GID
65534.

Is this a misconfiguration of my Postfix install?

The original message was received at Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:47:53 -0700 (PDT)
from @localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post xxxx"
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 65534, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take
1?)
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post xxxx"... unknown mailer error 2

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; example.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:47:53 -0700 (PDT)

thanks, Sean.




From sbeasley at cs.uic.edu  Mon Oct 15 23:35:58 2001
From: sbeasley at cs.uic.edu (Shane Beasley)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:35:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella_list?
Message-ID: 

To whom it may concern,

This has got to be a FAQ, but I can find absolutely no useful information
about the subject:

The scenario is that I have a number of sublists and wish to be able to
contact all of them simultaneously by sending to a single list. I can do
this already; however, if one user is subscribed to more than one of these
sublists, they get multiple copies of mail sent to the single list. I wish
to prevent this if posible.

I am thus trying to designate a Mailman list as being an "umbrella list,"
which I understand to be exactly what I need. My dealings with the online
documentation and the Web configuration pages suggest that there is some
umbrella_list option, but I cannot find any substantive text on this
feature.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Shane Beasley 
Secretary / Web Developer / System Administrator
Student Chapter of the Association for Computing Machinery
University at Illinois at Chicago




From gerhard at jasongeo.com  Tue Oct 16 09:01:10 2001
From: gerhard at jasongeo.com (Gerhard den Hollander)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:01:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Giving descriptive names to mail adresses
In-Reply-To: <028201c155ba$428c8d30$0b04010a@JCARNES>; from jonc@haht.com on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 04:45:01PM -0400
References: <20011015214608.S26604@hyperion.jason.nl> <028201c155ba$428c8d30$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20011016090110.A26604@hyperion.jason.nl>

* Jon Carnes  (Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 04:45:01PM -0400)
>> So I would like some way to add some sort of description to these email
>> adresses.

>> Standard email headers allow for a ".." part (e.g.

>> "Gerhard den Hollander" 

>> Is there some trick to do the same in mailman , so that the membership
> list
>> will look like e.g.

>> xpZorp at yahoo.com "Joe Dalton"
>> ap122 at home.com  "Averell Dalton:

>> &c &c ?

> From what I have seen on the list, you cannot use a descriptive field with
> the email address.  You may wish to make this a Requested Future Feature.

OK

> It actually wouldn't be that hard to make happen.  In fact, since its open
> source, feel free to do it yourself!  I know I would (except I don't have
> the time...).

Since it's python that would make it a tad difficult, 
anyone know of a good python primer and a ``coding mailman for the
uninitiated'' book ?
(or online docs or ..)

> You might want to make this a self-service item.  Let users subscribe and

I wish it were that simple ;)

Currently listening to: Led Zeppelin - Misty Mountain ()

	Gerhard,  <@jasongeo.com>   == The Acoustic Motorbiker == 	
-- 
   __O	There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya
 =`\<, 		'bout the raisin' of the wrist.
(=)/(=) Socrates himself was permanently pissed.




From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Wed Oct 17 06:06:32 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:06:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrendMicro Interscan Virus Wall for Linux
Message-ID: <002101c156c1$1b889fa0$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

Hello,

OS RH7.1
Mailman 2.0.6-1u70_1cl.i386.rpm

After fiddling with everything in Mailman and reading every
python scripts and checking for typo and so on,
I found no problem at all with the mailman, In fact the
python source files are written so cool and informative.
Now to the problem;
All the subscription from internal network for internal
users were accepted
All the subscription from outside network for outside users
were rejected.
Sendmail Mail log was telling me error 554 mail relay
rejected.
All that is cool I can live with it,
After getting deep involved in the way wrapper, post and
mailcmd are treating the package I was convinced that there
isn't any problem with any of them.
Last think I could think of was to disable the Interscan
VirusWall from (Trend Micro).
This time everything worked well.
No is there anyone out there using Interscan?
I called tech Trend Micro support and so far there is no
work around.
Do you know of any?
As far as I can comprehend; when Interscan is active, it
disable the domaintable, access.db, trusted-users.db,
IP_allow and mailertable.db
and instead uses it's own intscan.ini file to recognise
domains, mailertable, trusted-users and ip_allow.
I don't see anywhere talking about access.
In the access file there are hosts that are allowed to
RELAY.

okay, end of my gasbagging :))

Please let me know if there is other approach.

Thanks.

Vania








From jamie at sublime-dezine.com  Tue Oct 16 18:56:24 2001
From: jamie at sublime-dezine.com (J. St. Clair)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 09:56:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list hosting
Message-ID: <3BCC66B7.23A90447@sublime-dezine.com>

Am thinking of using your software on my server ... I have a 5,000
subscriber list, does your softare handle that many subscribers?

thanks,

JSC



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 06:36:37 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:36:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella_list?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01101700363701.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> The scenario is that I have a number of sublists and wish to be able to
> contact all of them simultaneously by sending to a single list. I can do
> this already; however, if one user is subscribed to more than one of
> these sublists, they get multiple copies of mail sent to the single list.
> I wish to prevent this if possible.
>
> I am thus trying to designate a Mailman list as being an "umbrella list,"
> which I understand to be exactly what I need. My dealings with the online
> documentation and the Web configuration pages suggest that there is some
> umbrella_list option, but I cannot find any substantive text on this
> feature.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shane Beasley 

Currently Umbrella lists *do not* stop folks from receiving multiple 
copies.  

To stop folks from receiving multiple copies, you will have to make your 
own mega-list by using a script and building the mega-list from each of the 
sub lists.

In the example below, we have a lot of lists for various groups working on 
a project called Pegasus.  The pegasus-all list includes everyone on the 
sub lists (and only one copy of each email address).

===   ===
#!/bin/bash
# Create and sync the Pegasus_All at haht.com mailing list using Mailman
# The list includes everyone on a Pegasus* mailing list.
 
echo " " >/tmp/pegasus_list
for i in `/home/mailman/bin/list_lists |grep -i pegasus |grep -vi _all| \
   sed 's/^ *//' |cut -f1 "-d " `
do
  /home/mailman/bin/list_members $i >>/tmp/pegasus_list
done
 
cat /tmp/pegasus_list |sort -u >/tmp/pegasus_all_list
/home/mailman/bin/sync_members -f /tmp/pegasus_all_list pegasus_all 
>/dev/null
 
rm /tmp/pegasus_list
rm /tmp/pegasus_all_list
===   ===

The script dumps out the name of each list using "list_lists",
It looks for any list with "pegasus" in the name,
dumps the users out of those lists into a file using "list_members",
finally it uses "sync_members" to pump the users into the pegasus_all list.

I do a lot of superfluous stuff in the example (like sort the list for 
unique members), that Mailman will actually handle automatically.  I wrote 
this when I was still just learning what Mailman could do.

This script is kicked off by crontab hourly so the pegaus_all list is 
always fairly up to date.

I hope this helps.  Take care - Jon Carnes



From tommyo at web.buroak.com  Wed Oct 17 06:55:24 2001
From: tommyo at web.buroak.com (Thomas Casey O'Neill)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 23:55:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not send email to users outside of local system
Message-ID: 

Please help!

I can set up newlists and go to the website to add a user. But if the
email address is not one of the local machines it doesn't send them a
confirmation email.

Also if I create a new list and the owner is not an email from the local
machine they will not recieve the setup email.

I am running

Redhat 7.1
Sendmail
Apache

Thanks in advance!

TOM




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 07:04:18 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:04:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrendMicro Interscan Virus Wall for Linux
In-Reply-To: <002101c156c1$1b889fa0$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
References: <002101c156c1$1b889fa0$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <01101701041803.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> Last think I could think of was to disable the Interscan
> VirusWall from (Trend Micro).
> This time everything worked well.
> No is there anyone out there using Interscan?
> I called tech Trend Micro support and so far there is no
> work around.
> Do you know of any?
> As far as I can comprehend; when Interscan is active, it
> disable the domaintable, access.db, trusted-users.db,
> IP_allow and mailertable.db
> and instead uses it's own intscan.ini file to recognise
> domains, mailertable, trusted-users and ip_allow.
> I don't see anywhere talking about access.
> In the access file there are hosts that are allowed to
> RELAY.
>
> okay, end of my gasbagging :))
>
> Please let me know if there is other approach.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Vania

Glad to hear that you traced down the problem!  An alternative that pops 
into my head immediately is to move Mailman on to a secondary mailserver 
(an internal one) that does not use Interscan.  Then set Interscan to allow 
any relays from the internal server. 

Setting up an internal mailserver can be a bit tricky, but it adds some 
redundancy and load sharing to your setup and allows you to do a lot of 
things you would not ordinarily do with just an external mailserver.

I run 3 internal mailservers and two external ones at my company, and I run 
Mailman on one of the internal servers and on one of the external servers.  

The beauty of a mailserver is that it really doesn't have to be a big 
powerful box.  Any old PII should do the job nicely.

Hope this helps - Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 07:10:17 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:10:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not send email to users outside of local system
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01101701101704.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 00:55, Thomas Casey O'Neill wrote:
> Please help!
>
> I can set up newlists and go to the website to add a user. But if the
> email address is not one of the local machines it doesn't send them a
> confirmation email.
>
> Also if I create a new list and the owner is not an email from the local
> machine they will not recieve the setup email.
>
> I am running
>
> Redhat 7.1
> Sendmail
> Apache
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> TOM

The problem is with your MTA (Sendmail) or some protection mechinism that 
is running with your MTA to prevent spamming.  If you are just running 
Sendmail then check out your /etc/mail/access file and be sure to visit:
  http://www.sendmail.org

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From tommyo at web.buroak.com  Wed Oct 17 07:23:09 2001
From: tommyo at web.buroak.com (Thomas Casey O'Neill)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:23:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not send email to users outside of
 local system
In-Reply-To: <01101701101704.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

Thanks alot Jon!

So should I add something to my /etc/mail/access file? At this point it
only has entries for

localhost.localdomain
localhost
127.0.0.1

Should I add my info (example)

web.buroak.com
buroak.com
209.163.46.203



On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Wednesday 17 October 2001 00:55, Thomas Casey O'Neill wrote:
> > Please help!
> >
> > I can set up newlists and go to the website to add a user. But if the
> > email address is not one of the local machines it doesn't send them a
> > confirmation email.
> >
> > Also if I create a new list and the owner is not an email from the local
> > machine they will not recieve the setup email.
> >
> > I am running
> >
> > Redhat 7.1
> > Sendmail
> > Apache
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > TOM
>
> The problem is with your MTA (Sendmail) or some protection mechinism that
> is running with your MTA to prevent spamming.  If you are just running
> Sendmail then check out your /etc/mail/access file and be sure to visit:
>   http://www.sendmail.org
>
> Good Luck - Jon Carnes
>




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 07:38:25 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not send email to users outside of local system
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01101701382506.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 01:23, Thomas Casey O'Neill wrote:
> Thanks alot Jon!
>
> So should I add something to my /etc/mail/access file? At this point it
> only has entries for
>
> localhost.localdomain
> localhost
> 127.0.0.1
>
> Should I add my info (example)
>
> web.buroak.com
> buroak.com
> 209.163.46.203

Certainly won't hurt anything to add it (and then run make so that the info 
is converted into a hash stored in access.db).  It may not solve your 
problem, but do give it a go as it's an easy try.

What version Sendmail are you running?  Is it the generic from Red Hat 7.1?

My bet is that you've got the server screwed down mighty tight (or Red Hat 
does) to prevent spam and in the process you are not even allowing local 
relays.  Tough for me to give you good advice as I always download the 
sendmail tarballs and install.  I haven't played yet with a generic 
sendmail from RH7.1

Jon Carnes



From xnoellardin at sopra.com  Wed Oct 17 13:12:47 2001
From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL LARDIN)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:12:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news and lists
Message-ID: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE473@exchange.an.sopra>

can i make several gateways between several news groups to 1 list.
because i have several group of news and i want to relay all the news to
only one list, is it possible ?

mailman 2.0.5
redhat 7.1
sendmail 8.

Thanks for advance,

Xavier




From billhorne at mediaone.net  Wed Oct 17 13:33:42 2001
From: billhorne at mediaone.net (Bill Horne)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:33:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman documentation
Message-ID: <3BCD6C96.4B0DFFC6@mediaone.net>

Subject:         Re: [Mailman-Users] TFM & black hole syndrome
Date:             Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:30:57 -0700

Amanda  said:

>Well, and then there's the fact that TFM is, generally speaking:
fragmented,
>incoherent, written from the developer's perspective (rather than the
>administrator's), not entirely up-to-date, not comprehensive, rarely up
to
>technical writing standards, and not always even in standardized
English
>(American or British, I care not which).

[snip]
>I must tell you, my first experience with Linux software documentation
gave me a
>migraine. It wasn't worth the energy used to display the FM on the
screen. I
>understood less after reading it than before. My allergy to this
bizarre and
>unhelpful genre of "writing" is not getting much better with the
passage of time.
[snip]
>I've long been tempted to hand one of these
>products to a group of ten-year-olds and have then write the tech
manual for it,
>because their writing is, on average, more insightful, logical, and
easy to
>follow.

>Having vented that little bit of spleen, I have to say that the Mailman
docs are
>less offensive than most. :-)
[snip]

Amanda,

The Linux Documentation Project (http://www.linuxdoc.org) needs your
help. Please become part of the solution.

Bill

--
Bill Horne





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 14:54:54 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:54:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella_list?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01101708545401.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 02:13, Shane Beasley wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > To stop folks from receiving multiple copies, you will have to make
> > your own mega-list by using a script and building the mega-list from
> > each of the sub lists.
>
> Not to be outdone, I came up with a one-liner that will add all
> subscribers of foo_* to the umbrella list foo_all:
>
>  list_lists | awk '{ print $1 }' | grep -i ^foo_ | grep -iv foo_all | \
>  xargs -rl list_members | sync_members -f - -w=no foo_all
>
Humbly I must decree that *you* are the superior coder!  I had not thought 
to use awk!  :-)

Jon

BTW: If anyone wants to rewrite that in python, then I'm sure we could get 
the developers of Mailman to include a new option that uses an 
autogenerated list (generated from your code).  Feel like being 
immortalized today?



From xnoellardin at sopra.com  Wed Oct 17 15:02:22 2001
From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL LARDIN)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:02:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hidden list
Message-ID: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE479@exchange.an.sopra>

can i hide a list ?
I want that people don't see the list in the web, but this list must be on
the same server than the others...

thanks in advance
_________________________________________
Xavier NOEL-LARDIN
SOPRA GROUP / Direction des Moyens Informatiques





From gaa at ulticom.com  Wed Oct 17 15:04:02 2001
From: gaa at ulticom.com (Gary Algier)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:04:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrendMicro Interscan Virus Wall for Linux
References: <002101c156c1$1b889fa0$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <3BCD81C2.8010005@ulticom.com>

We're using Trend Micro Viruswall just fine.  What I did was to
have Viruswall get the email first and pass it to the real sendmail
that is running on port 2525.  This way, Viruswall does nothing
but scan the emails.  Sendmail does all the email work.  Mailman
works just fine.

BTW: I have yet another system (in our DMZ) that actually receives
the emails from outside (MX points to the external system).  I
do this because Viruswall does not have all the proper anti-relay
preventions, etc. that I wanted.  This email relay system just
does the anti-relay checks then forwards everything to an
internal system with Viruswall and the "real" sendmail.

Vania Lolham wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> OS RH7.1
> Mailman 2.0.6-1u70_1cl.i386.rpm
> 
> After fiddling with everything in Mailman and reading every
> python scripts and checking for typo and so on,
> I found no problem at all with the mailman, In fact the
> python source files are written so cool and informative.
> Now to the problem;
> All the subscription from internal network for internal
> users were accepted
> All the subscription from outside network for outside users
> were rejected.
> Sendmail Mail log was telling me error 554 mail relay
> rejected.
> All that is cool I can live with it,
> After getting deep involved in the way wrapper, post and
> mailcmd are treating the package I was convinced that there
> isn't any problem with any of them.
> Last think I could think of was to disable the Interscan
> VirusWall from (Trend Micro).
> This time everything worked well.
> No is there anyone out there using Interscan?
> I called tech Trend Micro support and so far there is no
> work around.
> Do you know of any?
> As far as I can comprehend; when Interscan is active, it
> disable the domaintable, access.db, trusted-users.db,
> IP_allow and mailertable.db
> and instead uses it's own intscan.ini file to recognise
> domains, mailertable, trusted-users and ip_allow.
> I don't see anywhere talking about access.
> In the access file there are hosts that are allowed to
> RELAY.
> 
> okay, end of my gasbagging :))
> 
> Please let me know if there is other approach.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Vania
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


-- 
Gary Algier, WB2FWZ       gary.algier at ulticom.com           +1 856 787 2758
Ulticom Inc., 1020 Briggs Rd, Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054      Fax:+1 856 866 2033

        A self-addressed envelope would be addressed "envelope."




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Oct 17 15:27:53 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:27:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Giving descriptive names to mail adresses
In-Reply-To: <20011016090110.A26604@hyperion.jason.nl>
References: <20011015214608.S26604@hyperion.jason.nl> <028201c155ba$428c8d30$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20011016090110.A26604@hyperion.jason.nl>
Message-ID: <20011017092752.A3213@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 October 2001, Gerhard den Hollander said:
> Since it's python that would make it a tad difficult, 
> anyone know of a good python primer and a ``coding mailman for the
> uninitiated'' book ?
> (or online docs or ..)

Try a Google search for "python tutorial".  (Searching for "python
primer" turned up a Zope primer and a LaTeX (?!) primer, but no Python
primers!)

Python is by far the easiest languages to learn I've ever encountered.
It's also amazingly powerful -- I'm a bit more productive than I was
with Perl (back when I worked in Perl nearly full-time), and waaay more
productive then I ever was with C.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Oct 17 15:29:03 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:29:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list hosting
In-Reply-To: <3BCC66B7.23A90447@sublime-dezine.com>
References: <3BCC66B7.23A90447@sublime-dezine.com>
Message-ID: <20011017092903.B3213@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 October 2001, J. St. Clair said:
> Am thinking of using your software on my server ... I have a 5,000
> subscriber list, does your softare handle that many subscribers?

Yes; there have been reports of people hosting lists with 200,000
subscribers.  The limiting factor is more likely to be your MTA.  Also
relevant is the quality/speed of DNS service.

For large lists, it sounds like Postfix is the MTA of choice.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Oct 17 16:04:59 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:04:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LIST: pardon..
Message-ID: <200110171405.f9HE50f11209@camel.lrllamas.com>

quick test
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Wed Oct 17 16:06:47 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:06:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest time...
In-Reply-To: <200110161322.f9GDMXw11212@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <3BCD3C12.26473.41A27BE@localhost>

I have some (troublesome) subscribers.  Some, in one 
list, want the digest in their in-tray's first thing in the 
morning.  Others, in another list, want the digests to be 
sent around noon.

I can see how to change the global time that digests are 
sent, that's a quick and easy change to the crontab.

What I don't see is how to have different times for 
different lists.  Does anyone have any suggestions for 
my troublesome lusers?

Thanks,
Mike
-- 
Mike Avery                            
MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
                                    Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
                                         (970)-642-0244 (office)
                                             FAX: (970)-642-0282
                                                   ICQ: 16241692
                                             AOL IM: MAvery81230

* Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other 
way *

A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
If you're offended now, try playing my message 
backwards.





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 16:34:40 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:34:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest time...
In-Reply-To: <3BCD3C12.26473.41A27BE@localhost>
References: <3BCD3C12.26473.41A27BE@localhost>
Message-ID: <01101710344001.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>

>
> I can see how to change the global time that digests are
> sent, that's a quick and easy change to the crontab.
>
> What I don't see is how to have different times for
> different lists.  Does anyone have any suggestions for
> my troublesome lusers?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

That's a fun one....  Lets see, the script that Cron kicks off is:
  ~mailman/cron/senddigests

If you copy that script to two new files:
  senddigests8
  senddigests12

You can set cron to kick one off at 8am and the other off at noon.  First 
you will need to edit each file to specify which lists to process.  
Currently main is defined as:
 
def main():
    for listname in Utils.list_names():
        mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
        if mlist.digest_send_periodic:
            send_list_digest(mlist)
===

You'll have to learn enough python to tell it to bypass certain lists.  
This should be fairly easy to brute force.

Of course to be elegant, you should create a Utils.list_names_nooners and a 
Utils.list_names_morners from Utils.list_names, and then just use those for 
each of the new scripts.

===

I would guess the whole thing would take 4 to 6 hours to do (starting with 
"I have a clue, but know no python" and ending with "Dude, I never knew 
Python was so easy!")

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From christianb at visuaide.com  Wed Oct 17 16:43:20 2001
From: christianb at visuaide.com (Christian Billette)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change the subject
Message-ID: <3BCD60C8.6980.1F38CDCE@localhost>

Hi! 

When I subscribe a new user, he receive a message where the  
subject is Welcome to: nameof the list. How can I change this  
welcome to. 

Thank you ! 



From christianb at visuaide.com  Wed Oct 17 16:50:25 2001
From: christianb at visuaide.com (Christian Billette)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:50:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change the subject
Message-ID: <3BCD6271.2221.1F3F4A79@localhost>

Hi! 

When I subscribe a new user, he receive a message where the  
subject is Welcome to: nameof the list. How can I change this  
welcome to. 

Thank you ! 



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 17:13:41 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:13:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change the subject
In-Reply-To: <3BCD6271.2221.1F3F4A79@localhost>
References: <3BCD6271.2221.1F3F4A79@localhost>
Message-ID: <01101711134103.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 10:50, Christian Billette wrote:
> Hi!
>
> When I subscribe a new user, he receive a message where the
> subject is Welcome to: nameof the list. How can I change this
> welcome to.
>
> Thank you !

You could always tell Mailman to not send a welcome message, then you can 
send whatever message you would like manually.

Other than than you will have to edit some of the source code.  Doing a 
grep for "Welcome" reveals that you may want to creatively edit the files
  ~mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py 
  ~mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt  
in the source code, and then re-compile and install.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From curtist at ppdm.org  Wed Oct 17 18:21:18 2001
From: curtist at ppdm.org (Trudy A. Curtis)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:21:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011017102118.009ac670@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hi,

We have just begun using Mailman in the last few weeks and are still in the
process of figuring things out.  So far, it looks pretty good.   I've
noticed that email submissions to a list include a lot of extra information
about the list servers,  such as

List-Help: 
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,
	
List-Id: Spatial I I Project list server 
List-Unsubscribe: ,
	
List-Archive: 

As it turns out, our configuration is set up so that users can't actually
access any of this information (our Linux server is not accessible to the
public), so this information is confusing the users.  I haven't been able
to find a way to shut this header off so that it does not get added to the
outgoing messages.  Anyone out there know how to do that?

Thanks, 

Trudy

 
Trudy Curtis
Lead Data Modeler
Public Petroleum Data Model Association
curtist at ppdm.org



From klowther at cisnet.com  Wed Oct 17 18:23:06 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail wrapper error
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20011015233958.02ff8660@mail.ocentrix.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20011015233958.02ff8660@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: 

On Tuesday 16 October 2001 02:45 am, Ben Burnett wrote:
> At 08:55 PM 10/14/01 -0400, Ken wrote:
> >Well, down to the 'last' error to overcome, I hope.  When I try to send a
> >registration confirm I get an error.
> >
> >
> >Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
> > 2?) 554 5.3.0 "|/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd atmswap"... unknown
> > mailer error 2
> >
> >2 is root/bin/daemon.  I tried recompiling using --with-mail-GID=2, but
> >compiling shows:  checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) 12
>
> Try again using "--with-mail-gid=2".
>
> If it looks like I'm saying the same thing you're doing don't forget that
> parameters are case sensitive.  Then go take a walk and get some fresh
> air... try not to think about computers for a while.  Look at some
> mountains.
>


Bad news is that I made another typo.  Had --with-mail-id=2.  Good news is 
that in now works.  The benifit of making a shell script when you add the 
paramaters is that you can go back and debug.  The bad thing is that if you 
make a typo and don't catch it, you repeat the same error.

Thanks to all that have offered help.

Ken



From outcast at teksec.xs4all.nl  Wed Oct 17 18:54:17 2001
From: outcast at teksec.xs4all.nl (Sacha Ligthert)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:54:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of working flawlessly
Message-ID: 

Hi List,

After months of flawless work somehow Mailman refuses to work.
It accepts messges and puts them in ~mailman/qfiles/, but resending the
files isn't doing its job. It isn't his job at all.

This I noticed this afternoon when I tried to send a mail to a list. This
is the mail I received as root of the host:

Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:14:55 +0200 (CEST)
From: root (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman
Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner

Memory fault (core dumped)


The maillog had the following entry:

Oct 17 15:14:54 teksec sendmail[32236]: f9HDET032236: collect: premature
EOM: Undefined error: 0
Oct 17 15:14:54 teksec sendmail[32236]: f9HDET032236: collect: unexpected
close on connection fro
m localhost, sender=: Undefined error: 0
Oct 17 15:14:55 teksec sendmail[32236]: f9HDET032236:
from=, size
=0, class=0, nrcpts=1, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost
[127.0.0.1]
Oct 17 15:14:56 teksec sendmail[24998]: f9HDEtM24998: from=mailman,
size=346, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200110171314.f9HDEtM24998 at teksec.xs4all.nl>,
relay=mailman at localhost
Oct 17 15:14:56 teksec sendmail[24998]: f9HDEtM24998: to=outcast,
ctladdr=mailman (1004/1004), de
lay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30346, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent


The mailman error log reports the following:
/home/mailman/logs/error:
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): Traceback (innermost last):
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 222, in ArchiveMail
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):     h.close()
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 310, in close
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):     self.database.close()
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 264, in close
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):     self.__closeIndices()
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 259, in
__closeIndices
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):     index.close()
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 186, in close
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686):
fp.write(marshal.dumps(self.dict))
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): MemoryError:
Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 (11686) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: duifpan


This was I believe originally caused when someone mailed a "big"
PowerPoint Presentation as an attacment (What haven't failed us in the
past). This was presumebly the fuse what caused mailman
to bomb out =(

Currently I'm running OpenBSD 2.9 on the host:
uname -a
OpenBSD teksec 2.9 GENERIC#653 i386

Mailman is compiled from hand, not from the ports.

Has anyone here ever encountered this problem before?
I checked random archive entries by month resulting into nothing

Could anybody help me out here?

Thanks in advance,
	Sacha Ligthert




From jhc at unt.edu.ar  Wed Oct 17 18:44:58 2001
From: jhc at unt.edu.ar (Julio Calvo)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:44:58 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <016201c1572b$2455af50$07a92dc8@unt.edu.ar>

Does anyone if it is possible to have the messages displayed en another languaje than English??? 

---
Julio Calvo
Administrador Red UNeT
Linux Counter # 46275
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From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Wed Oct 17 19:10:20 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:10:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a limit
In-Reply-To: <3BCB1E82.25975.1F3A208@localhost>
Message-ID: <3BCD6716.9080.4C23607@localhost>

On 15 Oct 2001 at 17:36, miket at scitechsoft.com 
wrote:

> Is there a limit how many names can be on a list.  Does it slow 
> down if a list gets too big.  
> This only happens trying to get to the admin page.  I can still get to
> the subscribe info.  It opens at /info not on /admin. I am
> experiencing a problem with only one of my lists.  It happens to be
> the largest list.  All of the other lists open fine and work
> correctly.

 I don't have the 200,000 user lists that Jon 
mentioned, my largest list is a bit over 3,000.  However, 
I did have some problems at first.  One issue is that my 
previous list server didn't do anything with bounces - 
and neither did my moderators - so bad addresses were 
accumulating in the lists.  As Mailman deals with the bad 
addresses, less and less time is wasted on them, and the 
whole mess speeds up.

I had been using SendMail... converting to Postfix also 
helped.  And cleaning up some local DNS problems also 
helped.

>From what I've seen and read here, and my own 
experiences, cleaning up the environment and the list 
makes life a lot easier for Mailman.

Mike
-- 
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* Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other 
way *

A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
RAM = Rarely Adequate Memory





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 19:29:22 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:29:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011017102118.009ac670@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <3.0.3.32.20011017102118.009ac670@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <01101713292209.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 12:21, Trudy A. Curtis wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have just begun using Mailman in the last few weeks and are still in
> the process of figuring things out.  So far, it looks pretty good.   I've
> noticed that email submissions to a list include a lot of extra
> information about the list servers,  such as
>
> List-Help: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
> 	
> List-Id: Spatial I I Project list server 
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
> 	
> List-Archive: 
>
> As it turns out, our configuration is set up so that users can't actually
> access any of this information (our Linux server is not accessible to the
> public), so this information is confusing the users.  I haven't been able
> to find a way to shut this header off so that it does not get added to
> the outgoing messages.  Anyone out there know how to do that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Trudy
>
You can certainly turn these off by editing the source code and then 
recompiling.  In your case this is fairly easy.

Greping through the source code indicates that the headers are added in :
  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

A good way into that file you will see something like this:

    listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
    #
    # TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
    # leave it in for historical reasons.
    headers = {
        'List-Id'         : listid,
        'List-Help'       : '' % requestaddr,
        'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
        'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
        'List-Post'       : '' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
        }
    #
 
It's all in plain text.  Feel free to edit or delete (or add your own 
fields).  I would at a minimum keep "List-Id":

    listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
    #
    # TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
    # leave it in for historical reasons.
    headers = {
        'List-Id'         : listid,
        }
    #

Now recompile and install.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 19:35:13 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:35:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of working flawlessly
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <0110171335130A.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): MemoryError:
> Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 (11686) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: duifpan
>

Could you in fact be running out of memory?  Large list, Large email, small 
memory and not enough swap space...

I only mention this, because it looks like a resource error.  You may be 
running out of some resource that is needed: disk space or memory... 



From outcast at teksec.xs4all.nl  Wed Oct 17 19:41:39 2001
From: outcast at teksec.xs4all.nl (Sacha Ligthert)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:41:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of working
 flawlessly
In-Reply-To: <0110171335130A.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

> > Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 qrunner(11686): MemoryError:
> > Oct 17 15:14:22 2001 (11686) CORRUPT ARCHIVE FOR LIST: duifpan
> Could you in fact be running out of memory?  Large list, Large email, small
> memory and not enough swap space...
>
> I only mention this, because it looks like a resource error.  You may be
> running out of some resource that is needed: disk space or memory...
This is the top of my `top`:
load averages:  0.23,  0.17,  0.16
19:38:51
39 processes:  1 running, 37 idle, 1 zombie
CPU states:  0.6% user,  0.0% nice,  0.3% system,  0.6% interrupt, 98.4%
idle
Memory: Real: 17M/39M act/tot  Free: 49M  Swap: 3176K/128M used/tot

My df -h:
Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/wd0g     193M    43M   140M    24%    /var
/dev/wd0i     2.9G   1.0G   1.7G    38%    /home

And the E-mail that was sent was indeed large, that took mailman down I
pressume.

So at this point I don't see anything that could cause the crash.
And even now Mailman refuses to sendmail.

Might a reinstall of mailman be a sollution?

Sacha




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 20:17:13 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:17:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No Resend after receiving after months of working flawlessly
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <0110171417130C.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> And the E-mail that was sent was indeed large, that took mailman down I
> pressume.
>
> So at this point I don't see anything that could cause the crash.
> And even now Mailman refuses to sendmail.
>
> Might a reinstall of mailman be a sollution?
>
> Sacha
>
I would delete the backed up qfiles first and see if that doesn't clear it 
all up.

Plus your config files may have gotten corrupt.  You should run check_db on 
them.  Do you make weekly (or daily) backups?

It could still be a memory problem since we don't know what state you 
server was in while handling the list.  Memory is really cheap these days, 
and it sure couldn't hurt to add some.

I wonder though if this could be a lock file problem.  When something 
happens while a list is going through a big send *and* someone sends in a 
change to the config file for the list (an add/delete or a modify of an 
existing user).  Presumably the lock file should prevent the two from 
accessing the database at the same time (at least in write mode).

Jon Carnes



From xserrano at ac.upc.es  Wed Oct 17 20:32:54 2001
From: xserrano at ac.upc.es (Xavi Serrano)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:32:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-administrator moderator?
Message-ID: <20011017203254.E1696@ac.upc.es>

Hello all,

Is it possible to have a moderator in Mailman without administrator
privileges? I would like the moderator only to approve, reject or discard
messages, but not to be able to change any of the list configuration
parameters.

Thank you in advance for your help.
Regards,
- Xavi.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 17 20:35:58 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:35:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <016201c1572b$2455af50$07a92dc8@unt.edu.ar>
References: <016201c1572b$2455af50$07a92dc8@unt.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <0110171435580D.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 12:44, Julio Calvo wrote:
> Does anyone if it is possible to have the messages displayed en another
> languaje than English???
>
> ---
> Julio Calvo
> Administrador Red UNeT
> Linux Counter # 46275
> ---

Some folks have done this already.  I've seen French and Spanish versions, 
and I'm sure there are more.

The program is open source and easy to modify.  Feel free to look at the 
source code and convert the messaging from English to whatever language you 
prefer.

It looks like the Developers have begun isolating the scripting - moving 
the text out of the code and into text based files that should be easy to 
replace with a different language.  Of course there are still some headers 
and other minor things hidden in the code that are in English.

Take care - Jon Carnes



From sandra at ccuec.unicamp.br  Wed Oct 17 22:50:28 2001
From: sandra at ccuec.unicamp.br (Sandra)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:50:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman local connection
Message-ID: <3BCDEF13.4C866A87@ccuec.unicamp.br>

HI!

   How can I do Mailman connect directly to local delivery agent instead

to connect to port 25 of MTA?

Thanks.

Sandra





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Oct 17 22:53:12 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:53:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <200110172052.NAA08058@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> > Does anyone if it is possible to have the messages displayed en another
> > languaje than English???

Version 2.1 (in alpha) already does:

Traditional Chinese
                                                                              
German
                                                                              
English (USA)
                                                                              
Spanish (Spain)
                                                                              
French
                                                                              
Simplified Chinese
                                                                              
Hungarian
                                                                              
Italian
                                                                              
Japanese
                                                                              
Norwegian




From forsberg+mailman at lysator.liu.se  Wed Oct 17 23:53:13 2001
From: forsberg+mailman at lysator.liu.se (Erik Forsberg)
Date: 17 Oct 2001 23:53:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How alpha is 2.1a2?
Message-ID: <871yk2rl12.fsf@j218.ryd.student.liu.se>

Hi!

I haven't been monitoring Mailman development for a while, so I'm a
bit confused. It might be time to upgrade my installation, though..

If I access the download pages of http://www.list.org, it says the
current stable version of Mailman is 2.0.6 which is almost as new as
the installation I already have. However, there also seems to be a
page for Mailman 2.1a2, and there it says "Version (2.1a2, released on
11-Jul-2001) is the current stable GNU release."

Umm.. Confusing. Is 2.1a2 stable enough to be used in a production
system? Or should I wait for a "real" 2.1 before upgrading?

Regards,
\EF
-- 
Erik Forsberg                 http://www.lysator.liu.se/~forsberg/
GPG/PGP Key: 1024D/0BAC89D9  
Key Fingerprint: B308 87FC 566E 825A 5ABC  247C AC9B AB14 0BAC 89D9



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Oct 18 00:42:02 2001
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:42:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 confirmation problem
Message-ID: <3BCE093A.DEBFBBEE@state.or.us>

I have installed Mailman 1.1 and gotten as far as subscribing to a new
list. When I am asked for confirmation by replying to the message or
sending the confirmation code to list-request, I get the following
message:

: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd manouche"

Can someone point me in the right direction? I am using Postfix as the
MTA. I would like to upgrade Mailman, but would like to get this working
first. Thanks. 


-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4246
chris.a.adams at state.or.us



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Oct 18 00:45:07 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:45:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How alpha is 2.1a2?
Message-ID: <200110172244.PAA16435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>


> I haven't been monitoring Mailman development for a while, so I'm a
> bit confused. It might be time to upgrade my installation, though..
> 
> If I access the download pages of http://www.list.org, it says the
> current stable version of Mailman is 2.0.6 which is almost as new as
> the installation I already have. However, there also seems to be a
> page for Mailman 2.1a2, and there it says "Version (2.1a2, released on
> 11-Jul-2001) is the current stable GNU release."
> 
> Umm.. Confusing. Is 2.1a2 stable enough to be used in a production
> system? Or should I wait for a "real" 2.1 before upgrading?

The "stable GNU release" wording is probably inaccurate; 2.1 is still
in alpha.  However, I'm using current CVS with good luck.  It's
still a bit rough around edges, and I certainly don't use every
feature, so it's possible you may not want to experiment yet.
"How mature" is always a judgement call, but Barry hasn't yet
deemed it "beta", so...




From matthew.zeier at thirdcoast.net  Thu Oct 18 00:59:51 2001
From: matthew.zeier at thirdcoast.net (matthew zeier)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing postings from anything
Message-ID: <016601c1575f$6e14c890$0b16160a@Desktop>

I'm trying to use mailman to replace the "sysadm" mailing list.  I have a
lot of machines that send automated emails to that address.  However, all
are getting rejected with:

"Message has implicit destination"

How do I open the list for everything, including posts like that?

I've already added the sender name (root at host.domain.com and
root at domain.com) but that hasn't solved this.

Thanks.

- mz

--
matthew zeier - "In mathematics you don't understand things.  You just
get used to them." - John von Newmann




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 18 03:35:14 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:35:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing postings from anything
In-Reply-To: <016601c1575f$6e14c890$0b16160a@Desktop>
References: <016601c1575f$6e14c890$0b16160a@Desktop>
Message-ID: <0110172135140L.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 18:59, matthew zeier wrote:
> I'm trying to use mailman to replace the "sysadm" mailing list.  I have a
> lot of machines that send automated emails to that address.  However, all
> are getting rejected with:
>
> "Message has implicit destination"
>
> How do I open the list for everything, including posts like that?

Web over to the Admin pages and go to the Privacy Options page, field:
  "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination 
names for this list."

and put in the full name of list you are using.

Jon Carnes



From flintpa at hpo.net  Thu Oct 18 11:57:52 2001
From: flintpa at hpo.net (Paul Flint)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:57:52 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure of rmlist command
Message-ID: <20011018185436.7B81.FLINTPA@hpo.net>

Hello, 

Just getting started with Mailman and I can't get the rmlist command to
work, although it does seem to be there in the bin directory as promised. 

I'm in the bin directory and I type

python -S rmlist

which returned 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "rmlist", line 44, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg
ImportError: No module named Mailman


What am I missing here?

Much appreciated. 

Paul Flint -- Acting JAT Web Mail List Manager
and
Japanese to English Translation
Kawasaki Japan




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Oct 18 12:31:00 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 03:31:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure of rmlist command
References: <20011018185436.7B81.FLINTPA@hpo.net>
Message-ID: <3BCEAF64.E6669B7C@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I'm in the bin directory and I type
> 
> python -S rmlist
> 
> which returned
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "rmlist", line 44, in ?
>     from Mailman import mm_cfg
> ImportError: No module named Mailman
> 
> What am I missing here?

run it from ~mailman



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Oct 18 12:55:08 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:55:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hidden list
In-Reply-To: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE479@exchange.an.sopra>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011018115308.02b188a0@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 15:02 17/10/2001 +0200, Xavier NOEL LARDIN wrote:
>can i hide a list ?
>I want that people don't see the list in the web, but this list must be on
>the same server than the others...

Setting 'No' to the first of the Privacy Options ('Advertise this list...') 
on  list admin pages for your list might be your answer.

>thanks in advance
>_________________________________________
>Xavier NOEL-LARDIN
>SOPRA GROUP / Direction des Moyens Informatiques
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From flintpa at hpo.net  Thu Oct 18 14:33:22 2001
From: flintpa at hpo.net (Paul Flint)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:33:22 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure of rmlist command
In-Reply-To: <3BCEAF64.E6669B7C@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <20011018185436.7B81.FLINTPA@hpo.net> <3BCEAF64.E6669B7C@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20011018213043.E5CB.FLINTPA@hpo.net>

Me:
>> I'm in the bin directory and I type 
>> python -S rmlist
>> which returned
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "rmlist", line 44, in ?
>>     from Mailman import mm_cfg
>> ImportError: No module named Mailman
>> 
>> What am I missing here?

Dan Mick  wrote:

>run it from ~mailman

From usr/local/mailman I enter python -S rmlist and it responds with
python: can't open file "rmlist"

So, I tried python -S bin/rmlist and got the earlier message:
>>Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "rmlist", line 44, in ?
>>     from Mailman import mm_cfg
>> ImportError: No module named Mailman

What should I try now?

Paul Flint
Japanese to English Translation
Kawasaki Japan




From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Thu Oct 18 14:35:34 2001
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:35:34 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix
Message-ID: <3BCECC95.DAD994CD@ccuec.unicamp.br>

Hello, everybody !

I'm a brazilian "administrator", and a new user in this list! So, sorry,

for my bad english ...

I migrated my old list-server-program (petidomo) to the mailman
(v.2.0.6) ...

Therefore, the doubt is the following one:

Well, in the enterprise, we have a list called DICAS-L ... this list
have 16.783 users inside.

So, in the migration process, I imported all address, without any
problem !

When a mail message is sent to the list address, my antivirus
program scan the mail, searching for virus attached.

The normal process shoud be:
- the antivirus program scan only the original message, before send this

to the list.

But, this doesn't hapen ! The antivirus program scan each mail before
send to the user in
the list ... with this, my server is high-loaded ...

How the mailman wrapper "communicates" with the smtp server ??
PS: My mail deliver program is Postfix

Thank's,

# Alessandro Luiz Petrocino #
E-Mail: ale at unicamp.br
Unix Support Analyst
Software Support Department
Centro de Computacao - UNICAMP
Campinas/SP - Brazil




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Oct 18 15:06:31 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:06:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing postings from anything
In-Reply-To: <0110172135140L.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <016601c1575f$6e14c890$0b16160a@Desktop> <0110172135140L.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20011018090631.B7562@mems-exchange.org>

[matthew zeier]
> I'm trying to use mailman to replace the "sysadm" mailing list.  I have a
> lot of machines that send automated emails to that address.  However, all
> are getting rejected with:
>
> "Message has implicit destination"

[Jon Carnes replies]
> Web over to the Admin pages and go to the Privacy Options page, field:
>   "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination 
> names for this list."
> 
> and put in the full name of list you are using.

I don't *think* that's the right answer.  It sounds like the problem is
that these automated emails don't have a "To" or "Cc" header at all, in
which case adding more addresses that are accepted as meaning "this
list" in To/Cc won't make a bit of difference.

I think Matthew wants the option immediately before this one: "Must
posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field".  Set it to "No".

Don't do this on a public list, of course, as you'll get lots more spam
this way.  You should probably restrict the list of allowed posters.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 18 15:05:46 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure of rmlist command
In-Reply-To: <20011018213043.E5CB.FLINTPA@hpo.net>
References: <20011018185436.7B81.FLINTPA@hpo.net> <3BCEAF64.E6669B7C@utopia.west.sun.com> <20011018213043.E5CB.FLINTPA@hpo.net>
Message-ID: <01101809054700.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

The files in ~mailman/bin are standalone scripts.  To run rmlist simply 
type:
  ~mailman/bin/rmlist 

Do not pipe it as a script into python.

Jon Carnes
===
On Thursday 18 October 2001 08:33, Paul Flint wrote:
> Me:
> >> I'm in the bin directory and I type
> >> python -S rmlist
> >> which returned
> >> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>   File "rmlist", line 44, in ?
> >>     from Mailman import mm_cfg
> >> ImportError: No module named Mailman
> >>
> >> What am I missing here?
>
> Dan Mick  wrote:
> >run it from ~mailman
>
> From usr/local/mailman I enter python -S rmlist and it responds with
> python: can't open file "rmlist"
>
> So, I tried python -S bin/rmlist and got the earlier message:
> >>Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>   File "rmlist", line 44, in ?
> >>     from Mailman import mm_cfg
> >> ImportError: No module named Mailman
>
> What should I try now?
>
> Paul Flint
> Japanese to English Translation
> Kawasaki Japan
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 18 15:20:59 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] allowing postings from anything
In-Reply-To: <20011018090631.B7562@mems-exchange.org>
References: <016601c1575f$6e14c890$0b16160a@Desktop> <0110172135140L.08286@anncons.nc.rr.com> <20011018090631.B7562@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <01101809205901.01231@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> [Jon Carnes replies]
>
> > Web over to the Admin pages and go to the Privacy Options page, field:
> >   "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination
> > names for this list."
> >
> > and put in the full name of list you are using.
>
> I don't *think* that's the right answer.  It sounds like the problem is
> that these automated emails don't have a "To" or "Cc" header at all, in
> which case adding more addresses that are accepted as meaning "this
> list" in To/Cc won't make a bit of difference.
>
> I think Matthew wants the option immediately before this one: "Must
> posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field".  Set it to "No".
>
> Don't do this on a public list, of course, as you'll get lots more spam
> this way.  You should probably restrict the list of allowed posters.
>
>         Greg

[Jon Carnes replies again...]

I agree that it sounds weird, but I'm not asking them to put in another 
username, I am asking them to put in a "Listname" that is equal to what 
they percieve their list to be named.

This has worked quite well in the past.  It seems that folks with multiple 
domain names for their server have a problem unless they use the default 
domain name with their lists.  Adding the full list name (with the 
"@domain.com") solves the problem.

It worked for two folks last week - both whom had identical sypmtoms as 
Matthew.

Jon Carnes



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Oct 18 15:33:58 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix
In-Reply-To: <3BCECC95.DAD994CD@ccuec.unicamp.br>
References: <3BCECC95.DAD994CD@ccuec.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <20011018093358.D7562@mems-exchange.org>

On 18 October 2001, Alessandro Luiz Petrocino said:
> When a mail message is sent to the list address, my antivirus
> program scan the mail, searching for virus attached.
> 
> The normal process shoud be:
> - the antivirus program scan only the original message, before send this
> 
> to the list.
> 
> But, this doesn't hapen ! The antivirus program scan each mail before
> send to the user in
> the list ... with this, my server is high-loaded ...

Ouch!  I bet what's *really* happening is that incoming message are
being scanned not N times, but N+1 times: 1 when the message is received
by Postfix (before being passed to Mailman), and then once for each
recipient.  (Err, maybe not: if your Mailman is setup in the default
way, then your outgoing message will be sent 34 times -- once for each
block of 500 subscribers.  Thus, the scanner should run 35 times.  This
is still a lot worse than running once, but a lot better than running
16600 times (or whatever your N is).

> How the mailman wrapper "communicates" with the smtp server ??

Assuming you have DELIVERY_MODULE set to "SMTPDirect" (which you should,
as it's the default), Mailman will:
  * open an SMTP connection to port 25 on localhost
  * send MAIL FROM:
  * send RCPT TO:<...> 500 times (for the first 500 recipients)
  * send DATA and the message body

That number 500 is configurable -- see SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in Defaults.py.

If your virus scanner is running 16,600+ times, then there's something
seriously wrong either with the scanner or your Postfix configuration.

If your virus scanner is running 35 times (1 + (16,600 / 500)), then
that is completely understandable.  I can see how you might want to
reduce it, though, as 34 of those runs are unnecessary.  However, that's
not a Mailman question -- you'll have to consult the docs for your virus
scanner.  Probably you want to skip scanning on messages with the SMTP
sender set to your list admin address.  Or something like that.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de  Thu Oct 18 16:52:14 2001
From: bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de (Bart Frackiewicz)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:52:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dummyfunction "Newsletter"
Message-ID: 

Hi,

i try to setup a "Newsletter" for a customer.

1) Is it possible to change the Sender-Header from
  Sender: newsletter at domain
to
  Sender: "Newsletter Service" 
so that in most Mail Programs the "Newsletter Service" appear?

2) Is it possible to hide the List-Header (i.e. "List-Subscribe")?
Reason is that the Mailman installation is in our Intranet, and i don?t
want to give out this informations. All Functions will be only
availbable with the Mail command function.

Thank you

Bart Frackiewicz




From fred at lateral.net  Thu Oct 18 18:37:28 2001
From: fred at lateral.net (fred backman)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:37:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck in queue
Message-ID: <6B0B318C-C3E6-11D5-A162-000A27DE32FA@lateral.net>

Hi,

I've search the FAQ and online documenation without any success.

Basically, I have postfix with virtual domains set up.  In the postfix 
main.cf file I have a line

alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases

and these aliases all seem to work, including the mailman wrapper lines 
I put in for my test mailing list. However, when I send to the test 
list, the message just ends up in the queue. Here's what the log says:

Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/smtpd[1060]: connect from 
lateral[195.224.94.178]
Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/smtpd[1060]: 6E8C66703B: 
client=lateral[195.224.94.178]
Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/cleanup[1061]: 6E8C66703B: 
message-id=
Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/smtpd[1060]: disconnect from 
lateral[195.224.94.178]
Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/qmgr[898]: 6E8C66703B: 
from=, size=773, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/local[1063]: 6E8C66703B: 
to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test")

And in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ there are two files:

-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       880 Oct 18 17:25 
8d2eeefe7c1f90a60c2ccfb1f2a315a0a3d91f59.msg
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       118 Oct 18 17:25 
8d2eeefe7c1f90a60c2ccfb1f2a315a0a3d91f59.db

Can anyone suggest what to do? If you need any more details, let me know 
and I can post them.

Mailman v.2.0.6
Postfix v.20010228-pl05

# uname -a
Linux mail.colateral.net 2.2.19pre17 #1 Tue Mar 13 22:37:59 EST 2001 
i686 unknown

Also, would I be better off using qmail, exim or another MTA?

Thanks
Fred




From matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk  Thu Oct 18 18:38:24 2001
From: matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk (matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:38:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Logging and diagnostics for problem resolution?
Message-ID: <80256AE9.005E81B5.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>




I have a problem I can't resolve because I can't find any information in the
logs.

Situation:  a cgi script generates a mail for the users wishing to subscibe.
Because it's a script we know that it's of the correct format etc.

In the mail logs we can follow the mail from cgi server, relay server and to the
mailman server up to the point where the mail is delievered to
-request and that piped to the wrapper mailcmd subscribe...

So far so good.  The majority of subscribe and unsubscribe request are honoured.
However we regularly get a number of users who are not subscribed despite the
fact that we can follow the subscription request all the was to the wrapper it
has not been honoured.

At that point I'm stumped because there is no trace in any of the logs:  no
bounce, no error and naturally nothing is subscribe.

Is there a means by which some logging level can be turned up, or some
additional actions logged that might permit me to see what is going wrong?



Matthew





From arandall at auntminnie.com  Thu Oct 18 19:31:27 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:31:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix
References: <3BCECC95.DAD994CD@ccuec.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <3BCF11EF.7822D060@auntminnie.com>

Hi Alessandro,

Don't worry. Your command of English is far better than that of a few other
posters for whom English is their primary (or only) language. :-)

=)
Amanda


Alessandro Luiz Petrocino wrote:

> Hello, everybody !
>
> I'm a brazilian "administrator", and a new user in this list! So, sorry,
>
> for my bad english ...




From klowther at cisnet.com  Thu Oct 18 20:11:18 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:11:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure of rmlist command
In-Reply-To: <20011018213043.E5CB.FLINTPA@hpo.net>
References: <20011018185436.7B81.FLINTPA@hpo.net> <3BCEAF64.E6669B7C@utopia.west.sun.com> <20011018213043.E5CB.FLINTPA@hpo.net>
Message-ID: 

On Thursday 18 October 2001 08:33 am, Paul Flint wrote:


>
> What should I try now?
>
>

I don't have to run the commands in bin through the interpreter with Mandrake 
8.  Tried just doing ./rmmlist?  If not, maybe I could try sending you my 
file.

Ken



From mailman at rendrix.com  Thu Oct 18 22:05:11 2001
From: mailman at rendrix.com (mailman)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:05:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Message-ID: <200110181305.AA1028194788@rendrix.com>

Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying to get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I checked the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4, didn't help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an error (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much :). Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh installation, did check_db and check_perm scripts, still didn't work. Thanks for any help.

-Aaron



From sbeasley at cs.uic.edu  Wed Oct 17 08:13:08 2001
From: sbeasley at cs.uic.edu (Shane Beasley)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:13:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella_list?
In-Reply-To: <01101700363701.00984@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> To stop folks from receiving multiple copies, you will have to make your 
> own mega-list by using a script and building the mega-list from each of the 
> sub lists.

Not to be outdone, I came up with a one-liner that will add all
subscribers of foo_* to the umbrella list foo_all:

 list_lists | awk '{ print $1 }' | grep -i ^foo_ | grep -iv foo_all | \
 xargs -rl list_members | sync_members -f - -w=no foo_all

One may involve files at any point during the transaction, of course
(e.g., after the xargs and before the sync_members, perhaps involving
sort and uniq as you did in your code).

No matter how you write it, though, this seems like a bit of a kludge,
insofar as the list admin has to maintain redundant data with cron jobs
and so forth. I still think it would be a nice feature to be able to have
Mailman do the work for me, not so much because I don't want to do the
work, but because it can probably do it better than I. :)

At any rate, thanks for the suggestion!

- Shane




From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Oct 17 10:24:53 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:24:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list hosting
In-Reply-To: <3BCC66B7.23A90447@sublime-dezine.com>; from jamie@sublime-dezine.com on Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 09:56:24AM -0700
References: <3BCC66B7.23A90447@sublime-dezine.com>
Message-ID: <20011017012452.M8534@magic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Oct 16, 2001 at 09:56:24AM -0700, J. St. Clair wrote:
> Am thinking of using your software on my server ... I have a 5,000
> subscriber list, does your softare handle that many subscribers?

Yes, and many more
It can start to get slow when you go beyond 50-100k users in one list.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From sbeasley at cs.uic.edu  Wed Oct 17 15:29:09 2001
From: sbeasley at cs.uic.edu (Shane Beasley)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:29:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella_list?
In-Reply-To: <01101708545401.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: 

On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Wednesday 17 October 2001 02:13, Shane Beasley wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > > To stop folks from receiving multiple copies, you will have to make
> > > your own mega-list by using a script and building the mega-list from
> > > each of the sub lists.
> >
> > Not to be outdone, I came up with a one-liner that will add all
> > subscribers of foo_* to the umbrella list foo_all:
> >
> >  list_lists | awk '{ print $1 }' | grep -i ^foo_ | grep -iv foo_all | \
> >  xargs -rl list_members | sync_members -f - -w=no foo_all
> >
> Humbly I must decree that *you* are the superior coder!  I had not thought 
> to use awk!  :-)

And xargs. And this is why I went to college. Hmm...

> BTW: If anyone wants to rewrite that in python, then I'm sure we could
> get the developers of Mailman to include a new option that uses an
> autogenerated list (generated from your code).  Feel like being
> immortalized today?

As you mention this, I land upon a patch:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2001-September/009527.html



Provides functionality/behaviour similar to how sendmail treats its
aliases file. eg

	alias1: alias2, alias3, alias4
	alias2: a, b
	alias3: b, c
	alias4: c, d

would only deliver one message to the union of alias2, alias3 and alias4
which is a, b, c, d



Sounds like what we want, eh?

Two problems:

 - it's a patch for 2.1a (yes, that's "a" as in "alpha")

 - I know jack about Python and couldn't possibly smash it into 2.0.6
without a *lot* of free time, not to mention that it is claimed to rely on
a class hierarchy (MemberAdaptor) that doesn't exist in 2.0

If anybody's up for *that*, it would probably be better than working from
scratch. Perhaps one day I'll get bored and learn Python or something.
However, by that time, 2.1 won't be alpha anymore, and we'll all go back
to reminiscing about the good old days, when you had to create your
umbrella lists yourself, in the snow, uphill both ways.

In any event, best of luck to ye.

- Shane





From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Thu Oct 18 08:23:32 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:23:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending subscriber.db with Apache UID
Message-ID: <002301c1579d$690b1320$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

System conf:

OS RH7.1
Mailman 2.0.6-1u70_1cl.i386.rpm
Sendmail 8.11.2-14
Apache 1.3.19-5
Python 1.5.2-30
-----------------

>From web page when I add a member to the list, a file get
created in /mailman/data called pending.subscriber.db or
something like that,
UID is Apache and GID is mailman.
But when the subscription e-mail goes out to the member, it
contains few lines of error and at the end of the mail say
something about the .db permission denied
with flag "w" I assume it means write.
debugging of this message tells me that the pending file
with UID of Apache is not editable by the script,
To prove that the message is telling me the truth I change
the UID of the pending subscribers to mailman and let
qrunner to do it's job again.
This time subscription e-mail goes out to the member without
any error.
Do you know where is wrong?
I run check_perms and tells me no problem.
The obvious logic is that the pending subscriber file is
created by Apache in the first place, when entering e-mail
address and password and click on subscribe.
But I can't understand why mailman is not taking back the
ownership of the pending data file.

Please let me know if there is anything else I should check.

Thanks.

Vania










From mmm at tss.net  Thu Oct 18 05:33:06 2001
From: mmm at tss.net (Aaron Nikula)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:33:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Message-ID: <002501c15785$9af07000$5ee80e18@olmpi1.wa.home.com>

Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying to get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I checked the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4, didn't help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an error (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much :). Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh installation. Thanks for any help.

-Aaron
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From Sashikanth.Polamraju at sae.siemens.com.sg  Thu Oct 18 06:21:50 2001
From: Sashikanth.Polamraju at sae.siemens.com.sg (Sashikanth.Polamraju at sae.siemens.com.sg)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:21:50 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me in Mailman List Manager
Message-ID: <608F404BBCAAD3119F930800062838CBAB9EA1@SGPK200A>

Hi,
                        
                           In this outset, let me introduce myself. I am
sashi working in Siemens, Singapore. 
                           I fascinated by mailman for its  unique features.
I have downloaded the tar ball (mailman 2.0.5) from http://www.list.org
   and followed all the instructions.
                           
                          Following the setup and configuring on FreeBSD,
I'd created a new test list. After the list was successfully added,
mailman-owner(I.e I) got an e-mail. 
                          I faced a problem when I tried to enter password
at List Administrator's screen(I.e
http://mail.apmd.siemens.com.sg/mailman/admin/hss_group
 ). 
                           Although I'd entered the correct password,  the
screen displays "Authorization Failed".
                          
                          I request you to kindly help me. 
 
                         Here are the additional details:
 
                                                   [1] mailman home is
/home/mailman
                                                   [2] DEFAULT URL is
http://mail.apmd.siemens.com.sg/mailman/
 
 
                                    
                                                   [3] httpd.conf  following
2 lines were added
                                               
                                                          ScriptAlias
/mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
                                                         Alias  /pipermail/
"/home/mailman/archives/public"

 
Hss_group Administrative Authentication 	

List Administrative Password: 
	
 	

Important: From this point on, you must have cookies enabled in your
browser, otherwise no administrative changes will take effect. 


Session cookies are used in Mailman's administrative interface so that you
don't need to re-authenticate with every administrative operation. This
cookie will expire automatically when you exit your browser, or you can
explicitly expire the cookie by hitting the Logout link under Other
Administrative Activities (which you'll see once you successfully log in). 


  
 
 
 
 Thank you in advance. 
With Regards.
sashi

 

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From fedeteq at tiscali.it  Thu Oct 18 12:49:36 2001
From: fedeteq at tiscali.it (fedeteq at tiscali.it)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:49:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?problem=20with=20MIME=20and=20plain=20text=20digest?=
Message-ID: <3BC539960000A1B9@mail.tiscalinet.it>

Hi!
I've some problem with the digest's settings .
In the administrator control panel, i've set in "get mime or plain text
digest" the option like "plain text" but in any case if an subscriber user
send to the list an html email every users will receive this email in MIME
format.
Is there a way to reject the MIME format and to send back the notification
to the email's author?
The "Maximum length in Kb of a message body" option works perfectly.

Thank you.

Fede
milano
italy



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From cleanair at attcanada.ca  Thu Oct 18 22:52:45 2001
From: cleanair at attcanada.ca (Clean Air)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:52:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users
Message-ID: <01a501c15816$e2423880$450ca8c0@pollutionprobe.org>

Hello there,

Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the system?  I handle at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and it's not fun to do it one at a time.

Regards,
Rav? Mark Singh
Communications and Membership Coordinator
Ontario Clean Air Alliance
416-926-1907 ext 245

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From klowther at cisnet.com  Thu Oct 18 23:44:35 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:44:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
In-Reply-To: <002501c15785$9af07000$5ee80e18@olmpi1.wa.home.com>
References: <002501c15785$9af07000$5ee80e18@olmpi1.wa.home.com>
Message-ID: 

Have you just tried resetting the admin password?

Ken

On Wednesday 17 October 2001 11:33 pm, Aaron Nikula wrote:
> Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last
> night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying to
> get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low
> level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you.
> Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I checked
> the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4, didn't
> help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is
> getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an error
> (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much :).
> Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I
> restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh installation.
> Thanks for any help.
>
> -Aaron



From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Thu Oct 18 23:59:04 2001
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:59:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration question
Message-ID: <3BCF50A8.968CD948@state.or.us>

I inherited an installation of Mailman, v. 1.1. I can set up a new list
and subcribe. When I am asked for confirmation, I click on the link to
reply and get the message:

: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd manouche"

So, I went in and ran configure again (without any switches) and got the
same result.


So, I checked my syslog and it gives this message:

Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12345, got  gid
60001. (Reconfigure to take 60001?).

So, I ran configure again with the switch:

 --with-mail-gid=12345. In my group file, the mailer (Postfix) is 12345
and nobody is 60001. The Docs say that the default for with-cgi-gid is
nobody. 

So, what next?

I see in the Docs that I don't have to be Root to install Mailman, only
to set permissions. However, I have to log in as Root to run configure.
Would this make a difference?


-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4246
chris.a.adams at state.or.us



From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 19 00:39:49 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:39:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dummyfunction "Newsletter"
References: 
Message-ID: <022601c15825$cbf7e660$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dummyfunction "Newsletter"


> Hi,
>
> i try to setup a "Newsletter" for a customer.
>
> 1) Is it possible to change the Sender-Header from
>   Sender: newsletter at domain
> to
>   Sender: "Newsletter Service" 
> so that in most Mail Programs the "Newsletter Service" appear?

You can certainly send it directly from your workstation with the email
defined as being whomever you desire.  Mailman neither impedes nor assists
you here.  Feel free to spoof the From field - just make sure that that
individual email can send to the list.

>
> 2) Is it possible to hide the List-Header (i.e. "List-Subscribe")?
> Reason is that the Mailman installation is in our Intranet, and i don?t
> want to give out this informations. All Functions will be only
> availbable with the Mail command function.
>

See an earlier message about this (from yesterday?).  You will have to edit
a file and then recompile in order to get rid of those lines.

If you are not going to use the web-based functions of mailman, you may wish
to move to a List-serve that is designed for just email access - something
like Majordomo.  Otherwise, you will have to do a lot of work to cover-up
the Web-based features.

Jon Carnes




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 19 00:42:50 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:42:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck in queue
References: <6B0B318C-C3E6-11D5-A162-000A27DE32FA@lateral.net>
Message-ID: <022e01c15826$37f2b8e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Is your Cron running?  What happens when you run the qrunner script (from
the mailman cron) by hand?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "fred backman" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:37 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages stuck in queue


> Hi,
>
> I've search the FAQ and online documenation without any success.
>
> Basically, I have postfix with virtual domains set up.  In the postfix
> main.cf file I have a line
>
> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
>
> and these aliases all seem to work, including the mailman wrapper lines
> I put in for my test mailing list. However, when I send to the test
> list, the message just ends up in the queue. Here's what the log says:
>
> Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/smtpd[1060]: connect from
> lateral[195.224.94.178]
> Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/smtpd[1060]: 6E8C66703B:
> client=lateral[195.224.94.178]
> Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/cleanup[1061]: 6E8C66703B:
> message-id=
> Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/smtpd[1060]: disconnect from
> lateral[195.224.94.178]
> Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/qmgr[898]: 6E8C66703B:
> from=, size=773, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Oct 18 17:25:52 nippleclamp postfix/local[1063]: 6E8C66703B:
> to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
> ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test")
>
> And in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ there are two files:
>
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       880 Oct 18 17:25
> 8d2eeefe7c1f90a60c2ccfb1f2a315a0a3d91f59.msg
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       118 Oct 18 17:25
> 8d2eeefe7c1f90a60c2ccfb1f2a315a0a3d91f59.db
>
> Can anyone suggest what to do? If you need any more details, let me know
> and I can post them.
>
> Mailman v.2.0.6
> Postfix v.20010228-pl05
>
> # uname -a
> Linux mail.colateral.net 2.2.19pre17 #1 Tue Mar 13 22:37:59 EST 2001
> i686 unknown
>
> Also, would I be better off using qmail, exim or another MTA?
>
> Thanks
> Fred
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 19 00:46:53 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
References: <002501c15785$9af07000$5ee80e18@olmpi1.wa.home.com> 
Message-ID: <023d01c15826$c8401910$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Check the lock files in ~mailman/locks/

If there are any lock files check the processes and see if they are actually
running.  The process is part of the name of the lock file.
Kill any processes that are frozen and then delete the lock files for them.

Have you upgraded or changed your browser lately?  This could cause problems
when trying to access the Admin pages.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" 
To: "Aaron Nikula" ; 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!


> Have you just tried resetting the admin password?
>
> Ken
>
> On Wednesday 17 October 2001 11:33 pm, Aaron Nikula wrote:
> > Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last
> > night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying to
> > get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very
low
> > level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you.
> > Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I checked
> > the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4, didn't
> > help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is
> > getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an
error
> > (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much
:).
> > Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I
> > restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh installation.
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > -Aaron
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Fri Oct 19 01:21:50 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:21:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just drop it?
In-Reply-To: <3BCD60C8.6980.1F38CDCE@localhost>
Message-ID: <3BCF0FAB.14732.1035F06@localhost>

One of my moderators asked me for help.  She runs a 
moderated list, and only wants her messages to go to 
the list.

We've done that.

What is bothering her now is she gets a note every time 
a spammer tries to hit this list.  She doesn't want to 
know about it, and she doesn't want to have to manually 
discard every one of the spam attempts.

She wants Mailman to just drop the message into a 
black hole, without telling anyone it happened.

I don't see a way to do that.... am I overlooking 
something?

Thanks,
Mike-- 
Mike Avery                            
MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
                                    Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
                                         (970)-642-0244 (office)
                                             FAX: (970)-642-0282
                                                   ICQ: 16241692
                                             AOL IM: MAvery81230

* Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other 
way *

A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
It's always someone else's problem anyway





From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Oct 19 01:39:37 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:39:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just drop it?
References: <3BCF0FAB.14732.1035F06@localhost>
Message-ID: <3BCF6839.3735D876@auntminnie.com>

Hi Mike,

I believe you can specify to *not* send mail to the moderator when
receiving a message to the list that would require approval. That will
at least help her mailbox... but it will still queue the messages in
the admin interface. ::sigh::

As far as silently discarding the messages, well, that seems to be a
very popular question. :-) I don't think Mailman itself has any way to
deal with that... next solution I suppose would be something in the
MTA or something between the MTA and mailman, which would bitbucket
mail unless it came from the moderator's email address. ::shrug::
There are probably a number of ways to do it, but it's going to be a
matter of how much effort you want to put into it.

=)
Amanda


Mike Avery wrote:

> One of my moderators asked me for help.  She runs a
> moderated list, and only wants her messages to go to
> the list.
>
> We've done that.
>
> What is bothering her now is she gets a note every time
> a spammer tries to hit this list.  She doesn't want to
> know about it, and she doesn't want to have to manually
> discard every one of the spam attempts.
>
> She wants Mailman to just drop the message into a
> black hole, without telling anyone it happened.
>
> I don't see a way to do that.... am I overlooking
> something?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike--
> Mike Avery
> MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
>                                     Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
>                                          (970)-642-0244 (office)
>                                              FAX: (970)-642-0282
>                                                    ICQ: 16241692
>                                              AOL IM: MAvery81230
>
> * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other
> way *
>
> A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
> It's always someone else's problem anyway
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 19 01:52:33 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:52:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just drop it?
Message-ID: <200110182351.QAA07435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

One can do a very small amount of hacking to Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py
and accomplish the "drop without further notice" action.  It's
been useful for spammers for me.

Basically, you just add to the list in the file; the comments
are pretty readable; take a look and see what you think.

> Hi Mike,
> 
> I believe you can specify to *not* send mail to the moderator when
> receiving a message to the list that would require approval. That will
> at least help her mailbox... but it will still queue the messages in
> the admin interface. ::sigh::
> 
> As far as silently discarding the messages, well, that seems to be a
> very popular question. :-) I don't think Mailman itself has any way to
> deal with that... next solution I suppose would be something in the
> MTA or something between the MTA and mailman, which would bitbucket
> mail unless it came from the moderator's email address. ::shrug::
> There are probably a number of ways to do it, but it's going to be a
> matter of how much effort you want to put into it.
> 
> =)
> Amanda
> 
> 
> Mike Avery wrote:
> 
> > One of my moderators asked me for help.  She runs a
> > moderated list, and only wants her messages to go to
> > the list.
> >
> > We've done that.
> >
> > What is bothering her now is she gets a note every time
> > a spammer tries to hit this list.  She doesn't want to
> > know about it, and she doesn't want to have to manually
> > discard every one of the spam attempts.
> >
> > She wants Mailman to just drop the message into a
> > black hole, without telling anyone it happened.
> >
> > I don't see a way to do that.... am I overlooking
> > something?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike--
> > Mike Avery
> > MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
> >                                     Voice: (970)-642-0282 (home)
> >                                          (970)-642-0244 (office)
> >                                              FAX: (970)-642-0282
> >                                                    ICQ: 16241692
> >                                              AOL IM: MAvery81230
> >
> > * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other
> > way *
> >
> > A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
> > It's always someone else's problem anyway
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mailman at rendrix.com  Fri Oct 19 05:23:10 2001
From: mailman at rendrix.com (mailman)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:23:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Message-ID: <200110182023.AA554172742@rendrix.com>

I have a second email account that I use for outgoing, and it wants to wait for moderation (and I don't want to :). So sorry if this gets double posted.

I checked all the processes and the only ones given to mailman is
"/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner", so I cleared out the
processes and still get the bug message. I've tried it on 3 different
computers each with different browsers, but I tried it with netscape 4.7 and
it still gives the bug message. And I checked the logs again, and there's
nothing in error, but here's some stuff from the other log files:
tail logs/smtp
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.184 seconds
tail logs/post
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) post to test from mailman-owner at myhost.net,
size=1294, 1 failures
tail logs/smtp-failure
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) -1 myemail at myhost.net (ignore)]

Maybe that will help?

-Aaron



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Jon Carnes" 
Reply-To: "Jon Carnes" 
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:46:53 -0400

>Check the lock files in ~mailman/locks/
>
>If there are any lock files check the processes and see if they are actually
>running.  The process is part of the name of the lock file.
>Kill any processes that are frozen and then delete the lock files for them.
>
>Have you upgraded or changed your browser lately?  This could cause problems
>when trying to access the Admin pages.
>
>Jon Carnes
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken" 
>To: "Aaron Nikula" ; 
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
>
>> Have you just tried resetting the admin password?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> On Wednesday 17 October 2001 11:33 pm, Aaron Nikula wrote:
>> > Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last
>> > night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying to
>> > get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very
>low
>> > level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you.
>> > Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I checked
>> > the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4, didn't
>> > help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is
>> > getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an
>error
>> > (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much
>:).
>> > Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I
>> > restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh installation.
>> > Thanks for any help.
>> >
>> > -Aaron
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Fri Oct 19 16:28:51 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 19 Oct 2001 16:28:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users
In-Reply-To: "Clean Air"'s message of "Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:52:45 -0400"
References: <01a501c15816$e2423880$450ca8c0@pollutionprobe.org>
Message-ID: 

"Clean Air"  writes:

> Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the system?? I handle
> at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and it's not fun to do it
> one at a time.

~/bin/remove_members


 Mit freundlichen Gr??en
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From fred at lateral.net  Fri Oct 19 16:39:20 2001
From: fred at lateral.net (fred backman)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:39:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <14EDBC08-C49F-11D5-A162-000A27DE32FA@lateral.net>

It may have been discussed in the past, but wouldn't it also be a neat 
idea to include this feature on the web interface?

On Friday, October 19, 2001, at 03:28 PM, Detlef Neubauer wrote:

> "Clean Air"  writes:
>
>> Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the system?? I handle
>> at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and it's not fun to do it
>> one at a time.
>
> ~/bin/remove_members
>
>
>  Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>  Detlef Neubauer
>
> --
> .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From flintpa at hpo.net  Fri Oct 19 16:44:57 2001
From: flintpa at hpo.net (Paul Flint)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:44:57 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure of rmlist command
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20011018213043.E5CB.FLINTPA@hpo.net> 
Message-ID: <20011019234330.E622.FLINTPA@hpo.net>

Ken  wrote:
>On Thursday 18 October 2001 08:33 am, Paul Flint wrote:

>>
>> What should I try now?

>
>I don't have to run the commands in bin through the interpreter with Mandrake 
>8.  Tried just doing ./rmmlist?  If not, maybe I could try sending you my 
>file.

Nope. something else is wrong. It is obviously running something because
it gives a traceback (whatever that is). 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "mailman/bin/rmlist", line 44, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg

Question:
Is it feasible to remove the list manually until I can figure out the
right way?


Paul Flint
Japanese to English Translation
Kawasaki Japan




From jfreeman at connix.com  Fri Oct 19 17:00:40 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubbing people who don't know their address
Message-ID: 

OK,

we have some people subscribed to a list (a list with some 5,000 people on
it)... and they can't remember what email address they used to subscribe
to the list so that they can unsubscribe themselves.  They write and ask
me to just search for any subscribers from 'thisdomian.com'... in these
cases they own the domain and don't remember which username they used to
subscribe.

I noticed in /mailman/bin a script called 'find_member' but I don't 'read'
python and don't know if that's some kind of utility to do what I'm trying
to do.

TIA for any assistance..

cheers,

J.



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From chris.a.adams at state.or.us  Fri Oct 19 17:40:08 2001
From: chris.a.adams at state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users]2.0.6 upgrade configuration question
References: <3BCF50A8.968CD948@state.or.us> 
Message-ID: <3BD04958.21B491DD@state.or.us>

Thank you for your reply. I did try that and it worked. Not sure why,
since the mail GID is not 60001, but stranger things have happened.

So, I got version 1.1 working. Then I upgraded to version 2.0.6. I only
had one test list, so it was not a big operation. I simply ran the
configuration with the mail GID set to 60001. When I subscribe, I send
the message for confirmation, and I never get a confirmation back. The
logs show:

status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/w
rapper mailcmd xlist")

It appears that the command was sent, but there is no return. Where has
that request ended up and why?

Thanks for any help you can provide. 


Bart Frackiewicz wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> IMHO you must reconfigure --with-mail-gid=60001.
> 
> Greetings Bart
> > Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid
> > 12345, got  gid
> > 60001. (Reconfigure to take 60001?).
> >
> > So, I ran configure again with the switch:
> >
> >  --with-mail-gid=12345. In my group file, the mailer
> > (Postfix) is 12345
> > and nobody is 60001. The Docs say that the default for with-cgi-gid is
> > nobody.

-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503-378-4246
chris.a.adams at state.or.us



From bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de  Fri Oct 19 18:04:50 2001
From: bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de (Bart Frackiewicz)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:04:50 +0200
Subject: Changing Header - Old Posting: [Mailman-Users] Dummyfunction "Newsletter"
In-Reply-To: <022601c15825$cbf7e660$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: 

Jon (and all other Mailman-Friends!!!!),

this morning i thougth that i have solved this problem, but after a
telephone call i know that my customer means something other:

This is the original Header:

  Sender: Newsletter-admin at evercom.de

appears in Outlook as

  From: Newsletter-admin at evercom.de; im Auftrag von; Bart Frackiewicz
[bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de]

("im Auftrag von" means in englisch something like "in mission of") but
we want something like

  Sender: "Newsletter Service" [Newsletter-admin at evercom.de] (or with <>
i am not sure)

and IMHO this must looks like

  From: Newsletter Service im Auftrag von; Bart Frackiewicz
[bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de].

Have i some chance to change this Header Information? I have no problem
to write some shell scripts or to change some mailman source code, but i
have no idea where i must this!!! :-)

Thanks for your help

Bart Frackiewicz

---------------- Old Posting ---------------------------

> > 1) Is it possible to change the Sender-Header from
> >   Sender: newsletter at domain
> > to
> >   Sender: "Newsletter Service" 
> > so that in most Mail Programs the "Newsletter Service" appear?
>
> You can certainly send it directly from your workstation with




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 19 18:26:18 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:26:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubbing people who don't know their address
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20011019122618.A11329@mems-exchange.org>

On 19 October 2001, Joshua S. Freeman said:
> I noticed in /mailman/bin a script called 'find_member' but I don't 'read'
> python and don't know if that's some kind of utility to do what I'm trying
> to do.

You don't have to read Python, just English.  Running find_member
without arguments gives a help message.  If you don't know which lists
this person is a member of, find_member looks useful.

If you know the list in question, you probably want to use list_members
with our old friend grep.  Eg. to find all "@aol.com" users on
"foo-list":

  cd ~mailman
  ./bin/list_members foo-list | grep '@aol\.com'

Good luck --

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jfreeman at connix.com  Fri Oct 19 20:27:22 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:27:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubbing people who don't know their address
In-Reply-To: <20011019122618.A11329@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: 

Thanks Greg...

I was reluctant to run the script until I knew what it did and what
parameters it took.. I guess I didn't give the creators of mailman
enough credit and for that I am truly sorry!

cheers,

J.

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Greg Ward
wrote:

> On 19 October 2001, Joshua S. Freeman said:
> > I noticed in /mailman/bin a script called 'find_member' but I don't 'read'
> > python and don't know if that's some kind of utility to do what I'm trying
> > to do.
> 
> You don't have to read Python, just English.  Running find_member
> without arguments gives a help message.  If you don't know which lists
> this person is a member of, find_member looks useful.
> 
> If you know the list in question, you probably want to use list_members
> with our old friend grep.  Eg. to find all "@aol.com" users on
> "foo-list":
> 
>   cd ~mailman
>   ./bin/list_members foo-list | grep '@aol\.com'
> 
> Good luck --
> 
>         Greg
> -- 
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org
> 

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From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Oct 19 21:13:54 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:13:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubbing people who don't know their address 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Joshua S. Freeman"  
   of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:00:40 EDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <18744.1003518834@2wire.com>

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) 
Joshua S Freeman  wrote:

> OK, we have some people subscribed to a list (a list with some
> 5,000 people on it)... and they can't remember what email address
> they used to subscribe to the list so that they can unsubscribe
> themselves.  They write and ask me to just search for any
> subscribers from 'thisdomian.com'... in these cases they own the
> domain and don't remember which username they used to subscribe.

A password reminder will tell them exactly what they subscription
address is.

ObNote: It would be nice/useful if password reminders could be set
to a regex which was applied against the membership base.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Oct 19 21:35:16 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:35:16 -0700
Subject: Changing Header - Old Posting: [Mailman-Users] Dummyfunction "Newsletter" 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Bart Frackiewicz"  
   of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:04:50 +0200."  
References:  
Message-ID: <23989.1003520116@2wire.com>

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:04:50 +0200 
Bart Frackiewicz  wrote:

> Jon (and all other Mailman-Friends!!!!), this morning i thougth
> that i have solved this problem, but after a telephone call i know
> that my customer means something other:

> This is the original Header:

>   Sender: Newsletter-admin at evercom.de

> appears in Outlook as

>   From: Newsletter-admin at evercom.de; im Auftrag von; Bart
> Frackiewicz [bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de]

> ("im Auftrag von" means in englisch something like "in mission
> of") but we want something like

>   Sender: "Newsletter Service" [Newsletter-admin at evercom.de] (or
> with <> i am not sure)

> and IMHO this must looks like

>   From: Newsletter Service im Auftrag von; Bart Frackiewicz
> [bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de].

This would require the Sender field to accept a GECOS fileld. While
while allowed by RFC 2822 which defines the Sender header as:

  sender = "Sender:" mailbox CRLF
  mailbox = name-addr/addr-spec
  name-addr = [display-name] angle-addr
  angle-addr = [CFWS] "<" addr-spec ">" [CFWS] / obs-angle-addr

is not supported by any MTA or MUA that I've run across here.

Note:  I don't have Outlook.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jeremy at rockhosting.com  Fri Oct 19 22:17:52 2001
From: jeremy at rockhosting.com (Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:17:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?
Message-ID: 

Is there a way that I can download a copy of all my members email addresses
so I can transfer them to a different program on a different server?

Thanks





From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Oct 19 22:29:08 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:29:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?
References: 
Message-ID: <3BD08D14.D6567CFA@auntminnie.com>

Hm. Do folks not know of the existence of the bin directory, or are they
frightened of it? I suppose I use the same methods of evaluating and exploring
software that I do when playing that minefield game... make your best guess,
and then click on it and see if it blows up...

Jeremy: cd to wherever/mailman/bin and do:
./list_members listname > flatfile.txt

=)
Amanda


"Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com" wrote:

> Is there a way that I can download a copy of all my members email addresses
> so I can transfer them to a different program on a different server?
>
> Thanks
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From valites at geneseo.edu  Fri Oct 19 22:44:52 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:44:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?
In-Reply-To: <3BD08D14.D6567CFA@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: 

Ah, but if you want to preserve the preferences, settings, and archives
from a previous install, there is a little more to it.  I did this from
one machine to itself, and also an nfs mount to another machine.  There
may be bugs, and I'm a little new to bash scripting, but here's what I ended
up doing:

#!/usr/bin/bash

orig_mailman_dir=/home/mailman_old
new_mailman_dir=/home/mailman
bin_dir=/home/mailman/bin
private_file=$orig_mailman_dir/mk_private
alias_file=/etc/mail/aliases
person_to_nag_with_700_emails=someone at emailaddress.com

if [[ -f $private_file && -d $orig_mailman_dir && -d $new_mailman_dir ]]
    then

    if cd "$orig_mailman_dir/lists/"
    	then
	echo ""
	for list_name in *
	    do

		### newlist ###
		echo
"*********************************************************************"
		echo "Adding list: $list_name..."
		$bin_dir/newlist -q --output=/etc/mail/aliases $list_name
$person_to_nag_with_700_emails $list_name"monkey"
		if [ "$?" -ne "0" ]
		    then
			echo "Danger Will Robinson: Could not create list
$list_name."
		fi
		### end newlist ###


		### check for privacy ###
		#   check "archive_private" field from dumpdb on config.db
		#   1 = private
		#   0 = public
		result=`$bin_dir/dumpdb $list_name/config.db | grep
archive_private | awk '{print $2}' | sed s/,//`
		if [ "$result" -eq "1" ]
		    then
			echo "$list_name appears to be a private list."
			echo "Making new $list_name list private..."
		    ### make list private ###
		    $bin_dir/config_list -i $private_file $list_name
		    if [ "$?" -ne "0" ]
			then
			    $echo "Danger Will Robinson: There was a
problem making new list $list_name private."
		    fi
		    ### end make list private ###
		elif [ "$result" -eq "0" ]
		    then
			echo "$list_name appears to be a public list."
		else
		    echo "Danger Will Robinson: There appears to have been
a problem checking $list_name."
		fi
		### end check for privacy ###


		### archival removal ###
		echo "Removing stock archive:
$new_mailman_dir/archives/private/$list_name.mbox ..."
		rm -rf $new_mailman_dir/archives/private/$list_name*
		if [ "$?" -ne "0" ]
		    then
			$echo "Danger Will Robinson: There was a problem
removing stock archives from
$new_mailman_dir/archives/private/$list_name.mbox for list $list_name."
		fi
		### end archival removal ###


		### cp archives ###
		echo "Restoring original archive from:
$orig_mailman_dir/archives/private/ ..."
		cp -r $orig_mailman_dir/archives/private/$list_name*
$new_mailman_dir/archives/private/
		if [ "$?" -ne "0" ]
		    then
			$echo "Danger Will Robinson: There was a problem
restoring original archive from
$orig_mailman_dir/archives/private/$list_name.mbox for list $list_name."
		fi
		### end cp archives ###


		### remove list files ###
		echo "Removing all stock files in:
$new_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name/ ..."
		rm -f $new_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name/*
		if [ "$?" -ne "0" ]
		    then
			$echo "Danger Will Robinson: There was a problem
removing all stock files in $new_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name for list
$list_name."
		fi
		echo "Restoring all files from original directory:"
		echo "   $orig_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name/"
		echo "   to: $new_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name/ ..."
		### end remove list files ###


		### restore list files ###
		cp -R $orig_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name/*
$new_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name/
		if [ "$?" -ne "0" ]
		    then
			echo "Danger Will Robinson: There was a problem
restoring files from $orig_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name to
$new_mailman_dir/lists/$list_name for list $list_name."
		fi
		### end restore list files ###

		echo
"*********************************************************************"
		echo ""
	    done
	else
	    echo "Danger Will Robinson: Could not change directories to
$orig_mailman_dir/lists."
	    echo "Nothing was done."
	fi

else
    echo "One of the following files or directories was missing:"
    echo "The mk_private file of form:"
    echo "     archive_private = 1"
    echo "or the original mailman install directory, or the new mailman
install directory."
    echo "Nothing was done."
fi

exit 0




> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:29:08 -0700
> From: Amanda 
> To: Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com 
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?
>
> Hm. Do folks not know of the existence of the bin directory, or are they
> frightened of it? I suppose I use the same methods of evaluating and exploring
> software that I do when playing that minefield game... make your best guess,
> and then click on it and see if it blows up...
>
> Jeremy: cd to wherever/mailman/bin and do:
> ./list_members listname > flatfile.txt
>
> =)
> Amanda
>
>
> "Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com" wrote:
>
> > Is there a way that I can download a copy of all my members email addresses
> > so I can transfer them to a different program on a different server?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Oct 19 22:52:48 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:52:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com"  
   of "Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:17:52 CDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <304.1003524768@2wire.com>

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:17:52 -0500 
Jeremy Luebke <- RockHosting.com" > wrote:

> Is there a way that I can download a copy of all my members email
> addresses so I can transfer them to a different program on a
> different server?

~/bin/list_members

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Oct 19 23:05:55 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:05:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?
References: 
Message-ID: <3BD095B3.E6ED6F70@auntminnie.com>

Hm. All I did was give him what he asked for, not perhaps what he really needed.
Guess I've caught admin's disease after all. :-) Thanks for sharing this handy
tidbit...

=)
Amanda


"Mark T. Valites" wrote:

> Ah, but if you want to preserve the preferences, settings, and archives
> from a previous install, there is a little more to it.  I did this from
> one machine to itself, and also an nfs mount to another machine.  There
> may be bugs, and I'm a little new to bash scripting, but here's what I ended
> up doing:
>

[snipped for brevity]




From rob at film.calarts.edu  Fri Oct 19 23:30:38 2001
From: rob at film.calarts.edu (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:30:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripmime or demime w/Exim 3.33 anyone?
Message-ID: <20011019143038.A11012@emsh.calarts.edu>

I'd like to use demime or stripmime with Mailman 2.0.6 and
exim 3.33, so I'll need to have a pipe transport set up.
Can someone who is doing this send me their exim config?

thank you.

-- 
Rob Lingelbach                         http://www.alegria.com 
System Administrator                     rob at film.calarts.edu
Computer Animation Lab                        rob at alegria.com
California Institute of the Arts              



From jfreeman at connix.com  Fri Oct 19 23:29:14 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:29:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?
In-Reply-To: <3BD08D14.D6567CFA@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: 

Are all of those utilities documented somewhere?

TIA,

J.

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001,
Amanda wrote:

> Hm. Do folks not know of the existence of the bin directory, or are they
> frightened of it? I suppose I use the same methods of evaluating and exploring
> software that I do when playing that minefield game... make your best guess,
> and then click on it and see if it blows up...
> 
> Jeremy: cd to wherever/mailman/bin and do:
> ./list_members listname > flatfile.txt
> 
> =)
> Amanda
> 
> 
> "Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com" wrote:
> 
> > Is there a way that I can download a copy of all my members email addresses
> > so I can transfer them to a different program on a different server?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From arandall at auntminnie.com  Sat Oct 20 00:51:49 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?
References: 
Message-ID: <3BD0AE85.E9EE4C1C@auntminnie.com>

Yeah, but I'm not entirely sure precisely where the file originated. I have it
pinned to my corkboard right over my head, and it says "Mailman Site Administration
Documentation" at the top. Anybody remember where it came from? 

=)
Amanda


"Joshua S. Freeman" wrote:

> Are all of those utilities documented somewhere?
>
> TIA,
>
> J.
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2001,
> Amanda wrote:
>
> > Hm. Do folks not know of the existence of the bin directory, or are they
> > frightened of it? I suppose I use the same methods of evaluating and exploring
> > software that I do when playing that minefield game... make your best guess,
> > and then click on it and see if it blows up...
> >
> > Jeremy: cd to wherever/mailman/bin and do:
> > ./list_members listname > flatfile.txt
> >
> > =)
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> > "Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com" wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a way that I can download a copy of all my members email addresses
> > > so I can transfer them to a different program on a different server?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com
>                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Sat Oct 20 00:59:09 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:59:09 -0400
Subject: Changing Header - Old Posting: [Mailman-Users] Dummyfunction "Newsletter"
References: 
Message-ID: <017901c158f1$aa0c9b00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Again, this is something that will have to be done on the email client.
Mailman does not affect this.  As an example, your name shows up in my
Outlook as:
  Bart Frackiewicz
and the header information in the email is:
  From: "Bart Frackiewicz" 

Mailman did not change this.  This is the way that the From statement looked
when it got to Mailman.

If you want it to be:
   Newsletter-admin at evercom.de

You will have to define that as the user in your email client and send out
the email as that user.  Of course then Outlook will interpret your From to
be:
   "Newsletter-admin at evercom.de" 

But that is a function of Outlook....

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Frackiewicz" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 12:04 PM
Subject: Changing Header - Old Posting: [Mailman-Users] Dummyfunction
"Newsletter"


> Jon (and all other Mailman-Friends!!!!),
>
> this morning i thougth that i have solved this problem, but after a
> telephone call i know that my customer means something other:
>
> This is the original Header:
>
>   Sender: Newsletter-admin at evercom.de
>
> appears in Outlook as
>
>   From: Newsletter-admin at evercom.de; im Auftrag von; Bart Frackiewicz
> [bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de]
>
> ("im Auftrag von" means in englisch something like "in mission of") but
> we want something like
>
>   Sender: "Newsletter Service" [Newsletter-admin at evercom.de] (or with <>
> i am not sure)
>
> and IMHO this must looks like
>
>   From: Newsletter Service im Auftrag von; Bart Frackiewicz
> [bart.frackiewicz at evercom.de].
>
> Have i some chance to change this Header Information? I have no problem
> to write some shell scripts or to change some mailman source code, but i
> have no idea where i must this!!! :-)
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Bart Frackiewicz
>
> ---------------- Old Posting ---------------------------
>
> > > 1) Is it possible to change the Sender-Header from
> > >   Sender: newsletter at domain
> > > to
> > >   Sender: "Newsletter Service" 
> > > so that in most Mail Programs the "Newsletter Service" appear?
> >
> > You can certainly send it directly from your workstation with
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mailman at rendrix.com  Sat Oct 20 01:10:41 2001
From: mailman at rendrix.com (mailman)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:10:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug! (resolved)
Message-ID: <200110191610.AA2161573934@rendrix.com>

Alright, I tracked down the problem and found out it had nothing to do with mailman. But in case someone has the same problem I'll post it (even though it's really really embarassing). Okay, I should I have been able to figure it out, it happened for no obvious reason, was just sitting there. It wasn't writing to the error log. Installing it fresh didn't help. That's right, I was out of disk space. I made some space and all is better. Sorry for all my trouble.

-Aaron

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "mailman" 
Reply-To: 
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:23:10 -0700

>I have a second email account that I use for outgoing, and it wants to wait for moderation (and I don't want to :). So sorry if this gets double posted.
>
>I checked all the processes and the only ones given to mailman is
>"/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner", so I cleared out the
>processes and still get the bug message. I've tried it on 3 different
>computers each with different browsers, but I tried it with netscape 4.7 and
>it still gives the bug message. And I checked the logs again, and there's
>nothing in error, but here's some stuff from the other log files:
>tail logs/smtp
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
>refused')
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.184 seconds
>tail logs/post
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) post to test from mailman-owner at myhost.net,
>size=1294, 1 failures
>tail logs/smtp-failure
>Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) -1 myemail at myhost.net (ignore)]
>
>Maybe that will help?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Jon Carnes" 
>Reply-To: "Jon Carnes" 
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:46:53 -0400
>
>>Check the lock files in ~mailman/locks/
>>
>>If there are any lock files check the processes and see if they are actually
>>running.  The process is part of the name of the lock file.
>>Kill any processes that are frozen and then delete the lock files for them.
>>
>>Have you upgraded or changed your browser lately?  This could cause problems
>>when trying to access the Admin pages.
>>
>>Jon Carnes
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ken" 
>>To: "Aaron Nikula" ; 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>>
>>
>>> Have you just tried resetting the admin password?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 17 October 2001 11:33 pm, Aaron Nikula wrote:
>>> > Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last
>>> > night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying to
>>> > get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very
>>low
>>> > level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you.
>>> > Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I checked
>>> > the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4, didn't
>>> > help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is
>>> > getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an
>>error
>>> > (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much
>>:).
>>> > Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I
>>> > restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh installation.
>>> > Thanks for any help.
>>> >
>>> > -Aaron
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From jonc at haht.com  Sat Oct 20 01:11:42 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 19:11:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman commands from ~mailman/bin/...
References:  <3BD0AE85.E9EE4C1C@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <01c901c158f3$6a828380$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This is a summary of the mailman commands available via the console in
~mailman/bin/
===

add_members:  add regular or digested users to a list.

arch:  rebuild a mailing list's archives.

check_db:  check a mailing list database for corruption.

check_perms:  check the permissions on the Mailman installation.

clone_member:  add a list member with identical settings as an existing
    list member (including password).

config_list:  change list configuration from the command line.

digest_arch:  convert majordomo archives into mailbox format. Old program,
    use with extreme care!

dumpdb:  dump the contents of a Mailman .db file.
    find_member:  find all lists that a specified user is on.
list_lists:  list all the Mailman mailing lists.

list_members:  list all the members of a mailing list.

mmsitepass:  set the site password, good for admin-ing any list.

move_list:  reset where the database looks for its files, if you change
    the name of the dirs because you change the name of the list.

newlist:  create a new mailing list.

remove_members:  remove specified members from a list.

rmlist:  remove an old mailing list - does not remove the archives unless
    you specify -a.

sync_members:  synchronizes mailing list membership with a flat text file.

update:  upgrade from previous version of Mailman to current version.

version:  print out the version of Mailman you are using.

withlist:  advanced interactions with mailing list objects.


paths.py - module used by many Mailman scripts to tell it where its files
    are stored.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda" 
To: "Joshua S. Freeman" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Downloading a copy of the users emails?


> Yeah, but I'm not entirely sure precisely where the file originated. I
have it
> pinned to my corkboard right over my head, and it says "Mailman Site
Administration
> Documentation" at the top. Anybody remember where it came from? 
>
> =)
> Amanda
>
>
> "Joshua S. Freeman" wrote:
>
> > Are all of those utilities documented somewhere?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > J.
> >
> > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001,
> > Amanda wrote:
> >
> > > Hm. Do folks not know of the existence of the bin directory, or are
they
> > > frightened of it? I suppose I use the same methods of evaluating and
exploring
> > > software that I do when playing that minefield game... make your best
guess,
> > > and then click on it and see if it blows up...
> > >
> > > Jeremy: cd to wherever/mailman/bin and do:
> > > ./list_members listname > flatfile.txt
> > >
> > > =)
> > > Amanda
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeremy Luebke - RockHosting.com" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there a way that I can download a copy of all my members email
addresses
> > > > so I can transfer them to a different program on a different server?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> >          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> >            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com
> >                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
> >                           http://www.threeofus.com
> >                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Sat Oct 20 02:31:17 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:31:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Throwing away Implicit messages rather than holding them
References: <200110182351.QAA07435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <021d01c158fe$88d67ca0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This seems like an interesting thing to do...

Looking into dumping that implicit mail instead of letting it pile up it
seems a bit more complex than editing the SpamDetect.py module.
Mailman runs mail through the following pipeline of modules (in order):
  'SpamDetect',
  'Approve',
  'Replybot',
  'Hold',
  'Cleanse',
  'CookHeaders',
  'ToDigest',
  'ToArchive',
  'ToUsenet',
  'CalcRecips',
  'Decorate',
  mm_cfg.DELIVERY_MODULE
  'AfterDelivery',
  'Acknowledge',

SpamDetect is the only module that actually throws out a message and its the
first module to be run.  It is a simple RegEx compare of items in the Known
Spammers field in the configuration.

Hold is the module that checks for explicit vs implicit destination (and
whether or not you allow it).  The bit of code from that module that tells
it hold the message is:
===
  #
   # implicit destination?  Note that message originating from the Usenet
   # side of the world should never be implicitly destined
   if mlist.require_explicit_destination and \
      not mlist.HasExplicitDest(msg) and \
      not msgdata.get('fromusenet'):
       # then
       hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ImplicitDestination)
       # no return
===

The relavent code in the SpamDetect module that tells Mailman to throw away
the message is:

     mo = cre.search(text)
     if mo:
         # we've detected spam, so throw the message away
         raise SpamDetected

Where the class "SpamDetected" is defined:

  class SpamDetected(HandlerAPI.DiscardMessage):
      """The message contains known spam"""

===

Not an Expert here, but we might be able to load this class into the Hold
module and then substitute:
     raise SpamDetected
for the line:
      hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ImplicitDestination)

Should be fun to try.  If it works I'll let you know... Though I won't be
able to try till Monday!

Jon Carnes

BTW: I'll be glad to hear from anyone else who has already done this!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" 
To: ; 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Just drop it?


> One can do a very small amount of hacking to
Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py
> and accomplish the "drop without further notice" action.  It's
> been useful for spammers for me.
>
> Basically, you just add to the list in the file; the comments
> are pretty readable; take a look and see what you think.
>
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I believe you can specify to *not* send mail to the moderator when
> > receiving a message to the list that would require approval. That will
> > at least help her mailbox... but it will still queue the messages in
> > the admin interface. ::sigh::
> >
> > As far as silently discarding the messages, well, that seems to be a
> > very popular question. :-) I don't think Mailman itself has any way to
> > deal with that... next solution I suppose would be something in the
> > MTA or something between the MTA and mailman, which would bitbucket
> > mail unless it came from the moderator's email address. ::shrug::
> > There are probably a number of ways to do it, but it's going to be a
> > matter of how much effort you want to put into it.
> >
> > =)
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> > Mike Avery wrote:
> >
> > > One of my moderators asked me for help.  She runs a
> > > moderated list, and only wants her messages to go to
> > > the list.
> > >
> > > We've done that.
> > >
> > > What is bothering her now is she gets a note every time
> > > a spammer tries to hit this list.  She doesn't want to
> > > know about it, and she doesn't want to have to manually
> > > discard every one of the spam attempts.
> > >
> > > She wants Mailman to just drop the message into a
> > > black hole, without telling anyone it happened.
> > >
> > > I don't see a way to do that.... am I overlooking
> > > something?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mike--
> > > Mike Avery
> > > MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com





From ventanazul at terra.com.pe  Sat Oct 20 03:09:27 2001
From: ventanazul at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:09:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customize confirmation, password reminder and subscription messages
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi, i run my web site at a hosting provider, i have a shared account so i
don't have root access to my Red Hat server. My hosting company uses Mailman
and i would like to be able to customize the messages sent to the user when
he/she subscribe, i mean the confirmation message, and also customize the
welcome message and the monthly password reminder messages. My web site is
in spanish language and i would like to be able to write what i want on
those messages, is this possible without being root on my server?.

Thanks.

Regards from Lima, Peru.

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
alexis at ventanazul.com

ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com
Tel: 4368700 - 9856982





From mmm at tss.net  Fri Oct 19 05:15:15 2001
From: mmm at tss.net (Aaron Nikula)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:15:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
References: <002501c15785$9af07000$5ee80e18@olmpi1.wa.home.com>  <023d01c15826$c8401910$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <005501c1584c$463c4bc0$5ee80e18@olmpi1.wa.home.com>

I checked all the processes and the only ones given to mailman is
"/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner", so I cleared out the
processes and still get the bug message. I've tried it on 3 different
computers each with different browsers, but I tried it with netscape 4.7 and
it still gives the bug message. And I checked the logs again, and there's
nothing in error, but here's some stuff from the other log files:
tail logs/smtp
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.184 seconds
tail logs/post
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) post to test from mailman-owner at myhost.net,
size=1294, 1 failures
tail logs/smtp-failure
Oct 17 16:54:39 2001 (4334) -1 myemail at myhost.net (ignore)]

Maybe that will help?

-Aaron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" 
To: "Aaron Nikula" ; 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!


> Check the lock files in ~mailman/locks/
>
> If there are any lock files check the processes and see if they are
actually
> running.  The process is part of the name of the lock file.
> Kill any processes that are frozen and then delete the lock files for
them.
>
> Have you upgraded or changed your browser lately?  This could cause
problems
> when trying to access the Admin pages.
>
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken" 
> To: "Aaron Nikula" ; 
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
>
> > Have you just tried resetting the admin password?
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > On Wednesday 17 October 2001 11:33 pm, Aaron Nikula wrote:
> > > Hello, I setup mailman 2.0.2 and had it running for a long while. Last
> > > night for no obvious reason, it started giving this error when trying
to
> > > get into admin: "We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very
> low
> > > level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback for you.
> > > Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site." I
checked
> > > the error log and it said nothing. So I tried upgrading to 2.0.4,
didn't
> > > help. I tried completely removing the old version, still no go. It is
> > > getting to the admin login page, it's when you login that it gives an
> error
> > > (when the wrong password is entered, it's okay, but doesn't help much
> :).
> > > Does anyone have ideas where I can start troubleshooting this stuff? I
> > > restarted apache, sendmail, etc. And started from a fresh
installation.
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > > -Aaron
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>




From jordanlgraham at home.com  Sun Oct 21 02:43:30 2001
From: jordanlgraham at home.com (Jordan Graham)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:43:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to disable passwords?
Message-ID: 

I'm a new user of Mailman, and have a long list of email addresses from
which inquiries have come to me, many of which are no longer valid.  Is
there a way to:

1.  Disable passwords, so that by simply replying to an email from the list
with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line, a user can be removed?

2.  Have fatal "undeliverable" notices automatically remove that user from
the list?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jordan Graham
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From: jordanlgraham at home.com (Jordan Graham)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:20:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to disable passwords?
Message-ID: 

I'm a new user of Mailman, and have a long list of email addresses from
which inquiries have come to me, many of which are no longer valid.  Is
there a way to:

1.  Disable passwords, so that by simply replying to an email from the list
with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line, a user can be removed?

2.  Have fatal "undeliverable" notices automatically remove that user from
the list?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Jordan Graham




From klowther at cisnet.com  Sun Oct 21 06:36:39 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:36:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rh7.1 + cgi scripts
Message-ID: 

I got Mailman up and running on another server.  I had the html portion
working on mine.  I went to work configuring the mail services. Then the html
on mine quit working.  I've been going back and forth between the two sites
trying to figur out what is wrong.  The working site is Slackware.  The non
working site is Redhat 7.1.

I can put the complete url in the browser to the script.  If I do that,  the
browser 'displays' the binary.  But I know the symlinks works.

I symlink mailman -> /var/mailman from the directory under the virutual host.

Typing in www.somedomain.com/mailman/admin on the working site brings up a
page.

I have added this to httpd.conf:

ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Options ExecCGI FollowSymlinks Indexes MultiViews

Get:  The requested URL /mailman/admin was not found on this server.

I have edited the script manually and tried Webmin.  Help?

Ken



From pwilliamson at mandtbank.com  Sun Oct 21 12:02:59 2001
From: pwilliamson at mandtbank.com (Paul C. Williamson)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:02:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] rh7.1 + cgi scripts
Message-ID: 

I don't think has anything to do with RH 7.1.  I've got Mailman working ok on my 7.1 box.  I'd look more at the Apache configuration.

Paul

>>> Ken  10/21/01 00:37 AM >>>

I got Mailman up and running on another server.  I had the html portion
working on mine.  I went to work configuring the mail services. Then the html
on mine quit working.  I've been going back and forth between the two sites
trying to figur out what is wrong.  The working site is Slackware.  The non
working site is Redhat 7.1.

I can put the complete url in the browser to the script.  If I do that,  the
browser 'displays' the binary.  But I know the symlinks works.

I symlink mailman -> /var/mailman from the directory under the virutual host.

Typing in www.somedomain.com/mailman/admin on the working site brings up a
page.

I have added this to httpd.conf:

ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Options ExecCGI FollowSymlinks Indexes MultiViews

Get:  The requested URL /mailman/admin was not found on this server.

I have edited the script manually and tried Webmin.  Help?

Ken

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Oct 21 16:13:16 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:13:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to disable passwords?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01102110131700.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Saturday 20 October 2001 22:20, Jordan Graham wrote:
> I'm a new user of Mailman, and have a long list of email addresses from
> which inquiries have come to me, many of which are no longer valid.  Is
> there a way to:
>
> 1.  Disable passwords, so that by simply replying to an email from the
> list with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line, a user can be
> removed?

Check the archives for a patch that lets you do something like this.  I 
think someone made a patch that bypasses the password check for 
unsubscribes. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll pinpoint the part 
of code you need to change (the code is very readable and easy to edit).

>
> 2.  Have fatal "undeliverable" notices automatically remove that user
> from the list?
>
Check out the "Bounce options" page in the Admin interface:
  "Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected"

Jon Carnes



From Berean at C-Squad.org  Sun Oct 21 18:55:49 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:55:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest missing messages?
Message-ID: 


One question, actually two questions :D

I'm receiving mail fine from my mailman list, but some subscribers are
getting incomplete digests.  A digest sent out for example has a topic
listing of seven emails, but only 2 emails are listed.  The digest is set to
the standad 30k per digest and set to plain text.

What would cause this problem?

One more thing, everytime I try to create a new list with a hyphen ( - )
Mailman removes the hyphen so if I start a list called movie-critics for
example, Mailman creates the list moviecritics.  Annoying!  Just doesn't
like that hyphen.

Thanks for any help.


Frank Pagano (The Berean)
Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org)
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From Berean at C-Squad.org  Sun Oct 21 21:16:55 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another problem (redundant messages)
Message-ID: 

Why are some of the people on my list getting redundant copies of the same
messages that go out?  It's getting @#$ annoying.  One subscriber has
received dozens and dozens of the same email that was sent to the list, and
had to change his setting to nomail to stop it.  Why is this
happening?????????



Frank Pagano (The Berean)
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From barry at zope.com  Sun Oct 21 20:56:25 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:56:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to disable passwords?
References: 
Message-ID: <15315.6745.7976.79745@geddy.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JG" == Jordan Graham  writes:

    JG> 1.  Disable passwords, so that by simply replying to an email
    JG> from the list with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line,
    JG> a user can be removed?

FWIW, Mailman 2.1 will have a much simpler unsubscribe recipe that,
while not disabling passwords, will make them unnecessary for
unsubscription purposes.

- via email:
    1. Member sends a message to mylist-leave at dom.ain
    2. Mailman sends a confirmation message containing a cookie in Subject:
    3. Member responds to confirmation, keeping Subject: intact
    4. Mailman unsubscribes them

- via web
    1. Member visits http://dom.ain/mailman/options/mlist/user at dom.ain
    2. Member clicks on Unsubscribe button
    3. Go to step 2 above

Note that the confirmation also contains a url, which the user can
click on instead of replying.  This puts up a confirmation page with
two buttons: unsubscribe, or cancel the unsubscription request.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Sun Oct 21 21:04:31 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:04:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Throwing away Implicit messages rather than holding them
References: <200110182351.QAA07435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
	<021d01c158fe$88d67ca0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <15315.7231.677906.112035@geddy.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes  writes:

    JC> Looking into dumping that implicit mail instead of letting it
    JC> pile up it seems a bit more complex than editing the
    JC> SpamDetect.py module.

FWIW I have plans to add something like this to Mailman, but I'm not
sure it's going to happen in time for MM2.1.  For sender-centric holds
(i.e. is this sender a member or not?) I've now got 4 lists of
addresses which can be used to auto-accept, hold, reject, or discard
messages based on the email address of the sender.

I would suggest that if you're interested in working on this, try to
use the MM2.1 codebase so there's a chance of accepting a contribution
later.  Also, if you want to discuss these ideas or need advice about
implementation details, mailman-developers is a better list to do this
on.

Cheers,
-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Sun Oct 21 21:10:45 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:10:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubbing people who don't know their address
References: 
	<20011019122618.A11329@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <15315.7605.399800.212964@geddy.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GW" == Greg Ward  writes:

    GW> You don't have to read Python, just English.  Running
    GW> find_member without arguments gives a help message.

And all bin scripts should take a standard -h/--help flag which just
prints the usage docstring and exits.
    
    GW> If you don't know which lists this person is a member of,
    GW> find_member looks useful.

    GW> If you know the list in question, you probably want to use
    GW> list_members with our old friend grep.  Eg. to find all
    GW> "@aol.com" users on "foo-list":

bin/find_member is useful whether or not you know the list in
question.  It takes a -l/--listname option to narrow the search to a
single mailing list.

In Mailman 2.1, the list's Membership List page has a "search by
regexp" feature that can be used to look for matching addresses.  It
doesn't search across more than one mailing list though (that's for
a future release when we have a unified member database).  Still it
should be pretty handy.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Sun Oct 21 21:14:22 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users
References: 
	<14EDBC08-C49F-11D5-A162-000A27DE32FA@lateral.net>
Message-ID: <15315.7822.196290.831503@geddy.wooz.org>

>>>>> "fb" == fred backman  writes:

    fb> It may have been discussed in the past, but wouldn't it also
    fb> be a neat idea to include this feature on the web interface?

In Mailman 2.1, you can mass unsubscribe by filling in addresses in a
big text box, or by uploading a file of addresses, one per line.
Note, this also works for mass subscribes.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Sun Oct 21 21:16:25 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:16:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just drop it?
References: <3BCD60C8.6980.1F38CDCE@localhost>
	<3BCF0FAB.14732.1035F06@localhost>
Message-ID: <15315.7945.940746.68671@geddy.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MA" == Mike Avery  writes:

    MA> She wants Mailman to just drop the message into a 
    MA> black hole, without telling anyone it happened.

Mailman 2.1. :)

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Mon Oct 22 08:17:35 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:17:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [RELEASED] Mailman 2.1 alpha 3
Message-ID: <15315.47615.891332.994452@anthem.wooz.org>

I've finally decided to put a fork in it and release the third, and
hopefully last alpha in the Mailman 2.1 series.  If you want to see a
description of all the new stuff, please see

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=58074

There's quite a lot there!

Everything should be up on SourceForge now, with updates to
www.list.org hopefully tomorrow some time.  See also

    http://mailman.sf.net/MM21/

for updated pages about Mailman 2.1.

Note that you no longer need to install the mimelib package.  This has
been replaced by the email package, which comes with Python 2.2b1, or
for Python 2.1.1 or 2.0.1, you'll need to install email-0.93 which is
available in the misc/ directory.  See the INSTALL file for details.

Below is an excerpt from the NEWS file for all the changes since 2.1
alpha 2.  I'm hoping that this will be the last alpha release.  That
means there's one more release in which we have an opportunity for new
features, so I suggest that you grab 2.1a3 and give it a good workout
(in a non-production environment ).  If there are glaring things
missing, as always, let me know.

Please, all discussion about 2.1 alpha should be conducted on the
mailman-developers at python.org mailing list.

I will be creating some test lists on python.org an you'll be able to
subscribe to them to try things out.  I'd like to have a short cycle
for alpha3->beta1, with bug fixes only once beta1 comes out.

Language translators: I've updated the langpack on SourceForge with
the latest catalogs and templates.  I've also uploaded the latest
README-I18N.en file if you'd like to contribute new languages.  If
you've been holding off contributing new language files, please
consider finishing them off so that I can integrate them in time for
beta1.

Enjoy,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.1 alpha 3 (22-Oct-2001)

    - Realname support
        o Mailman now tracks a member's Real Name in addition to their
          email address.

        o List members can now supply their Real Names when
          subscribing via the web.  Their Real Names are parsed from
          any thru-email subscriptions.

        o Members can change their Real Names on their options page,
          and admins can change members' Real Names on the membership
          pages.  Mass subscribing accepts "email at dom.ain (Real Name)"
          entries, for both in-text-box and file-upload mass
          subscriptions.

    - Filtering and Privacy
        o Reply-To: munging has been enhanced to allow a wider range
          of list policies.  You can now pre-strip any Reply-To:
          headers before adding list-specific ones (i.e. you can
          override or extend existing Reply-To: headers).  If
          stripping, the old headers are no longer saved on
          X-Reply-To:

        o New sender moderation rules.  The old `posters',
          `member_only_posting', `moderated' and `forbidden_posters'
          options have been removed in favor of a new moderation
          scheme.  Each member has a personal moderation bit, and
          non-member postings can be automatically accepted, held for
          approval, rejected (bounced) or discarded.

        o When membership rosters are private, responses to
          subscription (and other) requests are made more generic so
          that these processes can't be covertly mined for hidden
          addresses.  If a subscription request comes in for a user
          who is already subscribed, the user is notified of potential
          membership mining.

        o When a held message is approved via the admindb page, an
          X-Moderated: header is added to the message.

        o List admins can now set an unsubscribe policy which requires
          them to approve of member unsubscriptions.

    - Web U/I
        o All web confirmations now require a two-click procedure,
          where the first click gives them a page that allows them to
          confirm or cancel their subscription.  It is bad form for an
          email click (HTTP GET) to have side effects.

        o Lots of improvements for clarity.

        o The Privacy category has grown three subcategories.

        o The General options page as a number of subsection headers.

        o The Passwords and Languages categories are now on separate
          admin pages.

        o The admin subcategories are now formated as two columns in
          the top and bottom legends.

        o When creating a list through the web, you can now specify
          the initial list of supported languages.

        o The U/I for unsubscribing a member on the admin's membership
          page should be more intuitive now.

        o There is now a separate configuration option for whether the
          goodbye_msg is sent when a member is unsubscribed.

    - Performance
        o misc/mailman is a Unix init script, appropriate for
          /etc/init.d, and containing chkconfig hooks for systems that
          support it.

        o bin/mailmanctl has been rewritten; the `restart' command
          actually works now.  It now also accepts -s, -q, and -u
          options.

        o bin/qrunner has been rewritten too; it can serve the role of
          the old cron/qrunner script for those who want classic
          cron-invoked mail delivery.

        o Internally, messages are now stored in the qfiles directory
          primarily as pickles.  List configuration databases are now
          stored as pickles too (i.e. config.pck).  bin/dumpdb knows
          how to display both pickles and marshals.

    - Mail delivery
        o If a user's message is held for approval, they are sent a
          notification message containing a confirmation cookie.  They
          can use this confirmation cookie to cancel their own
          postings (if they haven't already been approved).

        o When held messages are forwarded to an explicit address
          using the admindb page, it is done so  in a message/rfc822
          encapsulation.

        o When a message is first held for approval, the notification
          sent to the list admin is a 3-part multipart/mixed.  The
          first part holds the notification message, the second part
          hold the original message, and the third part hold a cookie
          confirmation message, to which the admin can respond to
          approve or discard the message via email.

        o In the mail->news gateway, you can define mail headers that
          must be modified or deleted before the message can be posted
          to the nntp server.

        o The list admin can send an immediate urgent message to the
          entire list membership, bypassing digest delivery.  This is
          done by adding an Urgent: header with the list password.
          Urgent messages with an invalid password are rejected.

        o Lists can now optionally personalize email messages, if the
          site admin allows it.  Personalized messages mean that the
          To: header includes the recipient's address instead of the
          list's address, and header and footer messages can contain
          user-specific information.  Note that only regular
          deliveries can currently be personalized.

        o Message that come from Usenet but that have broken MIME
          boundaries are ignored.

        o If the site administrator agrees, list owners have the
          ability to disable RFC 2369 List-* headers.

    - Building/testing/configuration
        o mimelib is no longer required, but you must install the
          email package (see the tarball in the misc directory).

        o An (as yet) incomplete test suite has been added.  Don't try
          running it in a production environment!

        o Better virtual host support by adding a mapping from the
          host name given in cgi's HTTP_HOST/SERVER_NAME variable to
          the email host used in list addresses.  (E.g. www.python.org
          maps to @python.org).

        o Specifying urls to external public archivers is more
          flexible.

        o The filters/ subdirectory has been removed.

        o There is now a `site list' which is a mailing list that must
          be created first, and from which all password reminders
          appear to come from.  It is recommended that this list be
          called "mailman at your.site".

        o bin/move_list is no longer necessary (see the FAQ for
          detailed instructions on renaming a list).

        o A new script bin/fix_url.py can be used with bin/withlist to
          change a list's web_page_url configuration variable (since
          it is no longer modifiable through the web).

    - Internationalization
        o Support for German, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, and
          Norwegian have been added.

    - Miscellaneous
        o Lots of new bounce detectors.  Bounce detectors can now
          discard temporary bounce messages by returning a special
          Stop value.

        o bin/withlist now sports a -q/--quiet flag.

        o bin/add_members has a new -a/--admin-notify flag which can
          be used to inhibit list owner notification for each
          subscription.

    - Membership Adaptors
        o Internally, mailing list memberships are accessed through a
          MemberAdaptor interface.  This would allow for integrating
          membership databases with external sources (e.g. Zope or
          LDAP), although the only MemberAdaptor currently implemented
          is a "classic" adaptor which stores the membership
          information on the MailList object.

        o There's a new pipeline handler module called FileRecips.py
          which could be used to get all regular delivery mailing list
          recipients from a Sendmail-style :include: file (see List
          Extensibility bullet below).

          This work was sponsored by Control.com

    - List Extensibility
        o A framework has been added which can be used to specialize
          and extend specific mailing lists.  If there is a file
          called lists//extend.py, it is execfile()'d after
          the MailList object is instantiated.  The file should
          contain a function extend() which will be called with the
          MailList instance.  This function can do all sorts of deep
          things, like modify the handler pipeline just for this list,
          or even strip out particular admin GUI elements (see below).

        o All the admin page GUI elements are now separate
          components.  This provides greater flexibility for list
          customization.  Also, each GUI element will be given an
          opportunity to handle admin CGI form data.

          This work was sponsored by Control.com

    - Topic Filters
        o A new feature has been added called "Topic Filters".  A list
          administrator can create topics, which are essentially
          regular expression matches against Subject: and Keyword:
          headers (including such pseudo-headers if they appear in the
          first few lines of the body of a message).

          List members can then `subscribe' to various topics, which
          allows them to filter out any messages that don't match a
          topic, or to filter out any message that does match a
          topic.  This can be useful for high volume lists where not
          everyone will be interested in every message.

          This work was sponsored by Control.com



From anthony.worrall at reading.ac.uk  Mon Oct 22 13:03:58 2001
From: anthony.worrall at reading.ac.uk (Anthony Worrall)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:03:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderators replies
Message-ID: <200110221102.MAA22077@isg.cs.reading.ac.uk>

Is it possible to customise the moderators replies on a per list basis.

I would like to change the "Your message to XXXX awaits moderator approval" 
and the  Request to mailing list XXXX rejected replies.

The list is a front end to a database where the moderators add the information
to the database and then tell the users that there information has been added 
and  key to the information.

Anthony Worrall
School IT Networking Coordinator
The University of Reading,
School of Computer Science, Cybernetics and Electronic Engineering
Department of Computer Science,
Whiteknights, PO Box 225
Reading,
Berkshire, UK
RG6 6AY
Tel:   +44 (0)118 931 8610
Fax:   +44 (0)118 975 1822
Email: Anthony.Worrall at Reading.ac.uk




From Rehan at nha.co.za  Mon Oct 22 14:07:42 2001
From: Rehan at nha.co.za (Rehan van der Merwe)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:07:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
Message-ID: 

Please can someone point me in the right direction.

I get an error running the script from sourceforge to add the Archive Search
Feature (the older one of the two).  I get the following error msg :



Hunk #1 succeeded at 98 with fuzz 2.
patch: *** malformed patch at line 49: '''



Can someone shed some light on this?

Rehan van der Merwe


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:27 AM
To: Berean at C-Squad.org; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?


The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search 
engine with Mailman.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103
&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103
&atid=300103


At 09:52 03/10/2001 -0400, The Berean wrote:

>Thanks for the answers to my previous question, they were very much
>appreciated.  I just have one more:
>
>Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives?  I know it can list
>and store archives, but I havent seen anything about searching them.  If
>not, would a CGI search script do the job?  If it can, what would be the
>best CGI script to use?  I have an Entropy search script preinstalled on my
>server, but it's designed to searc my entire website, not strictly the
>archives.  I noticed Python.org has a feature for searching the archives by
>Inktomi, but that looks like its going to cost a couple of amputations.
>Thanks for any help!
>
>Frank Pagano (The Berean)
>Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org)
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From Ben.Edwards at chase.com  Mon Oct 22 14:36:57 2001
From: Ben.Edwards at chase.com (Ben.Edwards at chase.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:36:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem putting space after header
Message-ID: 

I want to put a line of text in [] and a new line (or if
this is not possible a .) as a header for messages.  Have tried severel
things and either get two spaces or the message starts on the same line
as the dod (gave up trying to get space working so tried '.').  i.e. I get

[Remember to 'Reply to all' if you wish to post to list rather than
sender]
.

Video Tony was down to do this but I just spoke to him and he has had a
court case come up so cant come.

or

[Remember to 'Reply to all' if you wish to post to list rather than sender]
. Video Tony was down to do this but I just spoke to him and he has had a
court case come up so cant come.

when I want

[Remember to 'Reply to all' if you wish to post to list rather than
sender]
.
Video Tony was down to do this but I just spoke to him and he has had a
court case come up so cant come.

In fact I realy dont even want the dot but can live with this.

Any ideas, is there a newline control character I can put in the header
field to make this happen.

Ben




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 16:05:35 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:05:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011022144036.025af280@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:07 22/10/2001 +0200, Rehan van der Merwe wrote:
>Please can someone point me in the right direction.
>
>I get an error running the script from sourceforge to add the Archive Search
>Feature (the older one of the two).  I get the following error msg :
>
>
>
>Hunk #1 succeeded at 98 with fuzz 2.
>patch: *** malformed patch at line 49: '''
>
>
>
>Can someone shed some light on this?
>
>Rehan van der Merwe

I've tried but failed to reproduce your problem.

What version of Mailman distribution are you patching against? What patch 
command did you enter and in what directory relative to the mailman 
distribution?

Note that the referenced patches are for 2.0.6. They will probably work 
from 2.0.3 but patch may mumble a bit. I haven't yet published revised 
patches for Mailman 2.1.

Starting with the mailman 2.0.6 distribution and the two referenced patch 
files, I get the following results running on Suse 7.1 Linux:

barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm> ls ..
htdig-2.0.6.patch  indexing-2.0.6.patch  mailman-2.0.6.tgz
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm > zcat mailman-2.0.6.tgz | tar xf -
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm>cd mailman-2.0.6
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm/mailman-2.0.6 > ls ..
htdig-2.0.6.patch  indexing-2.0.6.patch  mailman-2.0.6  mailman-2.0.6.tgz
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm/mailman-2.0.6 > patch -p1 < ../indexing-2.0.6.patch
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm/mailman-2.0.6 > patch -p1 < ../htdig-2.0.6.patch
patching file INSTALL
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
patching file Makefile.in
patching file cron/Makefile.in
patching file cron/crontab.in.in
patching file cron/nightly_htdig
patching file src/Makefile.in



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:27 AM
>To: Berean at C-Squad.org; mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
>
>
>The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search
>engine with Mailman.
>
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103
>
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103







From Rehan at nha.co.za  Mon Oct 22 16:10:46 2001
From: Rehan at nha.co.za (Rehan van der Merwe)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:10:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
Message-ID: 

I use 2.0.6 on RH7.1.  

I did it from the root of my unpacked source.

I will redo the whole unpacking etc from start to finish again and see if
that helps.  Maybe it is isolated to something I did.

I will keep you up to date.

Thanks,

Rehan



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:06 PM
To: Rehan van der Merwe; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?


At 14:07 22/10/2001 +0200, Rehan van der Merwe wrote:
>Please can someone point me in the right direction.
>
>I get an error running the script from sourceforge to add the Archive
Search
>Feature (the older one of the two).  I get the following error msg :
>
>
>
>Hunk #1 succeeded at 98 with fuzz 2.
>patch: *** malformed patch at line 49: '''
>
>
>
>Can someone shed some light on this?
>
>Rehan van der Merwe

I've tried but failed to reproduce your problem.

What version of Mailman distribution are you patching against? What patch 
command did you enter and in what directory relative to the mailman 
distribution?

Note that the referenced patches are for 2.0.6. They will probably work 
from 2.0.3 but patch may mumble a bit. I haven't yet published revised 
patches for Mailman 2.1.

Starting with the mailman 2.0.6 distribution and the two referenced patch 
files, I get the following results running on Suse 7.1 Linux:

barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm> ls ..
htdig-2.0.6.patch  indexing-2.0.6.patch  mailman-2.0.6.tgz
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm > zcat mailman-2.0.6.tgz | tar xf -
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm>cd mailman-2.0.6
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm/mailman-2.0.6 > ls ..
htdig-2.0.6.patch  indexing-2.0.6.patch  mailman-2.0.6  mailman-2.0.6.tgz
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm/mailman-2.0.6 > patch -p1 < ../indexing-2.0.6.patch
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
barrett at wickwar:~/tmp/mm/mailman-2.0.6 > patch -p1 < ../htdig-2.0.6.patch
patching file INSTALL
patching file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py
patching file Mailman/Cgi/htdig.py
patching file Mailman/Defaults.py.in
patching file Makefile.in
patching file cron/Makefile.in
patching file cron/crontab.in.in
patching file cron/nightly_htdig
patching file src/Makefile.in



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
>Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:27 AM
>To: Berean at C-Squad.org; mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
>
>
>The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search
>engine with Mailman.
>
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=10
3&atid=300103
>
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=10
3&atid=300103






From jerry at sandiego.edu  Mon Oct 22 18:39:16 2001
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:39:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using pre-existing passwords along with MailMan passwords?
Message-ID: 

At our University, we use a special username/password (called a 
"UNet" account) for all web-related items. We can match the UNet 
username directly to the user's University e-mail address.

I would like to use this username/password for all list members who 
have a UNet account, but fall through to the mailman-generated 
password for those who do not. We do not have access to the actual 
password--it is stored only as a Unix hash so we can't simply insert 
it into the mailman password database (and we wouldn't want to send 
it out via e-mail on a monthly basis in any case). Has anyone else 
implemented something like this?

What I'm looking at as a possibility is setting up an Apache 
.htaccess file so that all of the mailman directories are password 
protected, but allow guest access (Apache has a special module that 
will do this). If a user logs in using their UNet account, map it to 
their e-mail address and bypass mailman's login process. If the user 
logs in as a guest, do not bypass mailman's login process.

Has anyone already done this? If so, are there already any 
instructions somewhere for how to do this? Any foreseeable problems 
with this method?

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi



From godoy at conectiva.com  Mon Oct 22 19:54:00 2001
From: godoy at conectiva.com (Jorge Godoy)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:54:00 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using pre-existing passwords along with MailMan
 passwords?
In-Reply-To:  (Jerry Stratton's
 message of "Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:39:16 -0700")
References: 
Message-ID: 

Jerry Stratton  writes:

> At our University, we use a special username/password (called a "UNet"
> account) for all web-related items. We can match the UNet username
> directly to the user's University e-mail address.



It would be nice if Mailman used PAM to validate users. In this way,
we could have several different databases and check them until one
matches with the given username/password or not. 

This would allow people to use LDAP, DBM databases, shadow passwords,
biometric identification, etc. 

-- 
Godoy. 

Solutions Developer       - Conectiva Inc. - http://en.conectiva.com
Desenvolvedor de Solu??es - Conectiva S.A. - http://www.conectiva.com.br



From ljacobs at shambhala.com  Mon Oct 22 20:00:41 2001
From: ljacobs at shambhala.com (Leonard Jacobs)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:00:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] messages getting queued and not mailed
Message-ID: <3BD42689.13845.B4BCE883@localhost>

After several years of using Mailman, I had a problem recently with 
one of my lists of around 6,000 members. I am running Mailman 
2.0 on a Unix system, with Python 2.0.

Apparently about half the list got their messages, but the other half 
of the messages would not mail unless I manually deleted the 
locks files, having to do this regularly until the qfiles were all 
delivered. This has not happened in the past and yet I did notice 
this type of problem mentioned in the Mailman archives.

Does 2.0.6 provide a fix, or should I wait for 2.1?

Thanks.

===========================

  Leonard Jacobs
  Shambhala Publications
  300 Massachusetts Avenue
  Boston, MA 02115
  http://www.shambhala.com
  (617) 424-6277, ext. 235 voice
  (617) 236-1563 fax



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Oct 22 21:15:06 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:15:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users
Message-ID: <200110221914.MAA11916@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

It's already in 2.1

> It may have been discussed in the past, but wouldn't it also be a neat 
> idea to include this feature on the web interface?

> > ~/bin/remove_members




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Oct 22 21:25:52 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Throwing away Implicit messages rather than holding them
Message-ID: <200110221925.MAA12838@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> >>>>> "JC" == Jon Carnes  writes:
> 
>     JC> Looking into dumping that implicit mail instead of letting it
>     JC> pile up it seems a bit more complex than editing the
>     JC> SpamDetect.py module.
> 
> FWIW I have plans to add something like this to Mailman, but I'm not
> sure it's going to happen in time for MM2.1.  For sender-centric holds
> (i.e. is this sender a member or not?) I've now got 4 lists of
> addresses which can be used to auto-accept, hold, reject, or discard
> messages based on the email address of the sender.
> 
> I would suggest that if you're interested in working on this, try to
> use the MM2.1 codebase so there's a chance of accepting a contribution
> later.  Also, if you want to discuss these ideas or need advice about
> implementation details, mailman-developers is a better list to do this
> on.

Also FWIW, I have a hacked module for 2.1 that does exactly this
(discard implicitly-addressed mail).  I hacked on Hold.py and
installed it into my list-specific pipeline of Handlers/ modules.
It works like a champ.




From lee at ricis.com  Mon Oct 22 22:52:50 2001
From: lee at ricis.com (Lee Leahu)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:52:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maximum size supported for bulk mailings
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011022155158.0286ae98@pluto>

At 15:45 2001-10-22, you wrote:

>This list of +50K emails is a subscription mailling list run by Business 
>Communications Review.  They use it as an announcement
>
>list for people that subscribe to the list.  They have not, do not, and 
>will not ever use this for spam intentions. In fact, they are trying to 
>prevent spam by actively monitoring the bounce messages and not re-sending 
>to those again.

Does Mailman support bulk mailings of +50K emails?
Lee Leahu
RICIS, Inc.
Phone: (708) 444-2690
Fax: (708) 444-2697
Cell: (708) 363-6860
Pager: (708) 467-2044
lee at ricis.com
http://www.ricis.com/
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From: lee at ricis.com (Lee Leahu)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:09:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test post
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011022170946.0264be88@pluto>

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Lee Leahu
RICIS, Inc.
Phone: (708) 444-2690
Fax: (708) 444-2697
Cell: (708) 363-6860
Pager: (708) 467-2044
lee at ricis.com
http://www.ricis.com/




From lee at ricis.com  Tue Oct 23 00:39:41 2001
From: lee at ricis.com (Lee Leahu)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing users from another list server
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20011022173619.00abd320@pluto>

I was wondering if there was a more efficient way of adding users from 
another mailing list program into Mailman other than the individual 
subscription method.

On my other program (NT based), I have about 50,000 users subscribed.  How 
would you folks go about moving these users to Mailman?  Will Mailman be 
able to handle this volume of email?

Thanks,

Lee Leahu
RICIS, Inc.
Phone: (708) 444-2690
Fax: (708) 444-2697
Cell: (708) 363-6860
Pager: (708) 467-2044
lee at ricis.com
http://www.ricis.com/




From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Oct 23 00:44:35 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:44:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing users from another list server 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lee Leahu  
   of "Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:39:41 CDT." <5.0.0.25.2.20011022173619.00abd320@pluto> 
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20011022173619.00abd320@pluto> 
Message-ID: <11230.1003790675@2wire.com>

On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:39:41 -0500 
Lee Leahu  wrote:

> On my other program (NT based), I have about 50,000 users
> subscribed.  How would you folks go about moving these users to
> Mailman?  

~/bin/add_members

> Will Mailman be able to handle this volume of email?

Yes.  Your MTA, depending on mail volume, connectivity,
configuration, and host confguration may be another matter (or may
not).  Chuq, Nigel and I have had extensive threads on the
-developers list on how to build scalable performant mail systems.
Check the archives.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.





From tom-hilton at home.com  Tue Oct 23 05:49:25 2001
From: tom-hilton at home.com (tom hilton)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:49:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] eth0 Failure
Message-ID: <000101c15b75$b5bdca60$0501a8c0@glfbr1.fl.home.com>

Hi, I am brand new to linux, and trying to configure my install.  I have a
Toshiba Laptop running dual boot with W98 system,  I was wondering if anyone
had any suggestions for this problem;  When booting the system gives me
delayed initialization of eth0, and error messages saying no high memory
resources available.   Looking at the system log, the system probes the two
high memory areas set as include in the /etc/pcmcia/config file, and
excludes the entire area for both pieces.  I have no idea why this is
happening.  Has anyone else run across this.  My ethernet card is a Linksys
100/10 card, that works fine in windows.  I am using tulip in my alias file,
I cant ping anything, always get network unavailable error.  are there any
commands or programs that analyze I/O usage in Linux, or that can restrict
the system from probing and excluding these areas set aside for my ethernet
card?  when i run cardctl and cardconfig, I never get any irq or io info.  I
dont know if PnP is messing things up or not.  any ideas?  Thanks for your
help.




From moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu  Tue Oct 23 04:02:22 2001
From: moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (Moacir)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
Message-ID: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu>

I somehow had this problem and posted about it several months ago. Back
then, a complete reinstallation of mailman fixed the problem. This time,
the reinstallation hasn't fixed anything. What follows will be a bunch
of info from log files trying to follow a specific message.

I don't know if this is an exim problem (I have also removed exim and
reinstalled it) or a mailman problem. Elsewhere people seem to have the
same problem with other MTAs (that I've found in web searches), and the
response is always "look in the MTA logs"--well, I've included the full
bulk of the MTA logs pertaining to the message I follow.

So please let me know if there's anywhere else I can dig around for
information to try and get down to the center of the problem

Thanks,

--m

On a different machine, I do this:

zuikis.uchicago.edu -20:22:57- ~ > echo "hi" | mail test at lithchat.com

The following are commands run on the mailman server
(and there was nothing appropriate in mailman/logs/error)

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# ../bin/version 
Using Mailman version 2.0.6

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# uname -a
Linux nida 2.2.19 #1 SMP An Rgp 14 21:36:28 CDT 2001 i586 unknown

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# exim -bV
Exim version 3.32 #1 built 15-Aug-2001 00:13:26
Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2001

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -2 /var/log/exim/mainlog
2001-10-22 20:22:32 15vqH2-0002FP-00 <= moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu H=zuikis.uchicago.edu [128.135.57.157] P=esmtp S=490 id=200110230124.UAA02591 at zuikis.uchicago.edu
2001-10-22 20:22:33 15vqH2-0002FP-00 => test  D=list_director T=list_transport 2001-10-22 20:22:33 15vqH2-0002FP-00 Completed

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -1 post 
Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) post to test from moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu, size=138, 1 failures

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -1 smtp-failure 
Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) -1 moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (ignore)

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -2 smtp
Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) All recipients refused: host not found
Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.089 seconds

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail subscribe 
Oct 22 02:32:57 2001 (2363) test: new moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# python -S ../cron/qrunner 

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -1 smtp-failure 
Oct 22 20:36:01 2001 (8744) -1 moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (ignore)

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -2 smtp
Oct 22 20:36:01 2001 (8744) All recipients refused: host not found
Oct 22 20:36:01 2001 (8744) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.086 seconds

lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -7 /var/log/exim/mainlog
2001-10-22 20:22:32 15vqH2-0002FP-00 <= moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu
H=zuikis.uchicago.edu [128.135.57.157] P=esmtp S=490
id=200110230124.UAA02591 at zuikis.uchicago.edu
2001-10-22 20:22:33 15vqH2-0002FP-00 => test 
D=list_director T=list_transport
2001-10-22 20:22:33 15vqH2-0002FP-00 Completed
2001-10-22 20:23:01 Start queue run: pid=8653
2001-10-22 20:23:01 End queue run: pid=8653
2001-10-22 20:38:01 Start queue run: pid=8757
2001-10-22 20:38:01 End queue run: pid=8757





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 23 05:07:46 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:07:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] eth0 Failure
In-Reply-To: <000101c15b75$b5bdca60$0501a8c0@glfbr1.fl.home.com>
References: <000101c15b75$b5bdca60$0501a8c0@glfbr1.fl.home.com>
Message-ID: <01102223074605.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 22 October 2001 23:49, tom hilton wrote:
> Hi, I am brand new to linux, and trying to configure my install.  I have
> a Toshiba Laptop running dual boot with W98 system,  I was wondering if
> anyone had any suggestions for this problem;  When booting the system
> gives me delayed initialization of eth0, and error messages saying no
> high memory resources available.   Looking at the system log, the system
> probes the two high memory areas set as include in the /etc/pcmcia/config
> file, and excludes the entire area for both pieces.  I have no idea why
> this is happening.  Has anyone else run across this.  My ethernet card is
> a Linksys 100/10 card, that works fine in windows.  I am using tulip in
> my alias file, I cant ping anything, always get network unavailable
> error.  are there any commands or programs that analyze I/O usage in
> Linux, or that can restrict the system from probing and excluding these
> areas set aside for my ethernet card?  when i run cardctl and cardconfig,
> I never get any irq or io info.  I dont know if PnP is messing things up
> or not.  any ideas?  Thanks for your help.
>
 This is the wrong group for a hardware config problem in 
Linux 

Check out your local LUG (linux users group).  You will be able locate it 
with the help of:
  http://www.google.com

There are specific help HOW-TO's for toshiba's that are as specific as your 
Toshiba.  You will probably need to look up your laptop on one of those.  
The problem is probably with your PCMCIA, and the answer to your question 
is probably as simple as entering your BIOS and toggling the way your 
Toshiba represents it PCMCIA slot to the computer's OS.

BTW: your LUG will need to know what type of laptop you have, and what 
distribution of Linux you are using.  Since you are a beginning user, I 
would highly recommend Mandrake 8.2.  The auto-setup is very comprehensive 
and complete, and the distribution is highly compatible with RedHat.

Jon Carnes 



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 23 05:26:10 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:26:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
In-Reply-To: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <01102223261006.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Your DNS is improperly setup.  There is no MX record for 
zuikis.uchicago.edu.
===
[jonc at anncons jonc]$ nslookup zuikis.uchicago.edu

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   zuikis.uchicago.edu
Address: 128.135.57.157
 
[jonc at anncons jonc]$ nslookup

> set query=mx
> zuikis.uchicago.edu
Server:         24.93.67.127
Address:        24.93.67.127#53
 
*** Can't find zuikis.uchicago.edu: No answer
>
===

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Monday 22 October 2001 22:02, Moacir wrote:
> I somehow had this problem and posted about it several months ago. Back
> then, a complete reinstallation of mailman fixed the problem. This time,
> the reinstallation hasn't fixed anything. What follows will be a bunch
> of info from log files trying to follow a specific message.
>
> I don't know if this is an exim problem (I have also removed exim and
> reinstalled it) or a mailman problem. Elsewhere people seem to have the
> same problem with other MTAs (that I've found in web searches), and the
> response is always "look in the MTA logs"--well, I've included the full
> bulk of the MTA logs pertaining to the message I follow.
>
> So please let me know if there's anywhere else I can dig around for
> information to try and get down to the center of the problem
>
> Thanks,
>
> --m
>
> On a different machine, I do this:
>
> zuikis.uchicago.edu -20:22:57- ~ > echo "hi" | mail test at lithchat.com
>
> The following are commands run on the mailman server
> (and there was nothing appropriate in mailman/logs/error)
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# ../bin/version
> Using Mailman version 2.0.6
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# uname -a
> Linux nida 2.2.19 #1 SMP An Rgp 14 21:36:28 CDT 2001 i586 unknown
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# exim -bV
> Exim version 3.32 #1 built 15-Aug-2001 00:13:26
> Copyright (c) University of Cambridge 2001
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -2 /var/log/exim/mainlog
> 2001-10-22 20:22:32 15vqH2-0002FP-00 <= moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu
> H=zuikis.uchicago.edu [128.135.57.157] P=esmtp S=490
> id=200110230124.UAA02591 at zuikis.uchicago.edu 2001-10-22 20:22:33
> 15vqH2-0002FP-00 => test  D=list_director
> T=list_transport 2001-10-22 20:22:33 15vqH2-0002FP-00 Completed
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -1 post
> Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) post to test from moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu,
> size=138, 1 failures
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -1 smtp-failure
> Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) -1 moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (ignore)
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -2 smtp
> Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) All recipients refused: host not found
> Oct 22 20:25:02 2001 (8668) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.089 seconds
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail subscribe
> Oct 22 02:32:57 2001 (2363) test: new moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# python -S ../cron/qrunner
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -1 smtp-failure
> Oct 22 20:36:01 2001 (8744) -1 moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (ignore)
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -2 smtp
> Oct 22 20:36:01 2001 (8744) All recipients refused: host not found
> Oct 22 20:36:01 2001 (8744) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.086 seconds
>
> lithchat.com:/mailman/logs# tail -7 /var/log/exim/mainlog
> 2001-10-22 20:22:32 15vqH2-0002FP-00 <= moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu
> H=zuikis.uchicago.edu [128.135.57.157] P=esmtp S=490
> id=200110230124.UAA02591 at zuikis.uchicago.edu
> 2001-10-22 20:22:33 15vqH2-0002FP-00 => test 
> D=list_director T=list_transport
> 2001-10-22 20:22:33 15vqH2-0002FP-00 Completed
> 2001-10-22 20:23:01 Start queue run: pid=8653
> 2001-10-22 20:23:01 End queue run: pid=8653
> 2001-10-22 20:38:01 Start queue run: pid=8757
> 2001-10-22 20:38:01 End queue run: pid=8757
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu  Tue Oct 23 05:42:54 2001
From: moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (Moacir)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:42:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
In-Reply-To: <01102223261006.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>; from jonc@nc.rr.com on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 11:26:10PM -0400
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu> <01102223261006.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20011022224254.A2814@zuikis.uchicago.edu>

Jon Carnes wrote on 22 October 01:

> Your DNS is improperly setup.  There is no MX record for 
> zuikis.uchicago.edu.

Could be. Yet it worked before--and it wasn't a new version of mailman
that caused the problem.

I tried again using "moacir at midway.uchicago.edu" as the sending address,
and the errors are identical. It seems like DNS can't be the problem if
a midway.uchicago.edu address works fine.

(2001-10-22 22:33:53 15vsK9-0002Uj-00 <= moacir at midway.uchicago.edu H=midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12] P=esmtp S=701 id=200110230333.f9N3X5Z19063 at harper.uchicago.edu
2001-10-22 22:33:54 15vsK9-0002Uj-00 => test  D=list_director T=list_transport
2001-10-22 22:33:54 15vsK9-0002Uj-00 Completed)


> nslookup
Default Server:  ns2.uchicago.edu
Address:  128.135.12.73

> set query=mx
> midway.uchicago.edu
Server:  ns2.uchicago.edu
Address:  128.135.12.73

midway.uchicago.edu     preference = 0, mail exchanger = midway.uchicago.edu

[etc.]

--m



From john at nisus.com  Tue Oct 23 05:12:20 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:12:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users
Message-ID: 

> Detlef Neubauer 2001-10-19 16:28:51 +0200 wrote:
>> "Clean Air" wrote:
>> Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the system? 
>> I handle at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and
>> it's not fun to do it one at a time.

> ~/bin/remove_members

But why should one need to handle so many manually;
isn't this just for the unsubscribe messages that aren't
processed automagically by mailman for some reason?

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 23 06:12:22 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:12:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
In-Reply-To: <20011022224254.A2814@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu> <01102223261006.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <20011022224254.A2814@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <01102300122208.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Can't argue with that!

Here's a long shot... On the Privacy Options page of the web Admin, try 
putting in the complete name of the mailing list into the field:
   "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
    or cc destination names for this list"

 From the example below "test at lithchat.com"

It doesn't make any sense, but then neither does the error...

On Monday 22 October 2001 23:42, Moacir wrote:
> Jon Carnes wrote on 22 October 01:
> > Your DNS is improperly setup.  There is no MX record for
> > zuikis.uchicago.edu.
>
> Could be. Yet it worked before--and it wasn't a new version of mailman
> that caused the problem.
>
> I tried again using "moacir at midway.uchicago.edu" as the sending address,
> and the errors are identical. It seems like DNS can't be the problem if
> a midway.uchicago.edu address works fine.
>
> (2001-10-22 22:33:53 15vsK9-0002Uj-00 <= moacir at midway.uchicago.edu
> H=midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12] P=esmtp S=701
> id=200110230333.f9N3X5Z19063 at harper.uchicago.edu 2001-10-22 22:33:54
> 15vsK9-0002Uj-00 => test  D=list_director
> T=list_transport 2001-10-22 22:33:54 15vsK9-0002Uj-00 Completed)
>
> > nslookup
>
> Default Server:  ns2.uchicago.edu
> Address:  128.135.12.73
>
> > set query=mx
> > midway.uchicago.edu
>
> Server:  ns2.uchicago.edu
> Address:  128.135.12.73
>
> midway.uchicago.edu     preference = 0, mail exchanger =
> midway.uchicago.edu
>
> [etc.]
>
> --m
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ivaldes at hal-pc.org  Tue Oct 23 08:58:33 2001
From: ivaldes at hal-pc.org (Ignacio Valdes)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:58:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capturing other data.
Message-ID: <3BD51519.5020609@hal-pc.org>

Perhaps this has been asked before, but is it possible with out of the 
box Mailman to capture a little more information upon user registration 
such as name, occupation, etc.?

-- 
-- Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
http://www.linuxmednews.com
'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 13:27:40 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:27:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011023122652.02c1ac68@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 14:56 19/10/2001 -0400, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>I've been looking at implementing these two patches into a new mailman 
>install I am doing here.  The documentation seems to be missing though. 
>I'm able to patch the mailman source, but what to do after that I'm a bit 
>lost as for what to do.  While this isn't a mailing list for these 
>pathces, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience installing these 
>patchs, ideas of where I can find more info on them, and maybe if anyone 
>knows if they can be added to an existing mailman install after it has 
>already been implemented and used.

I realised that my earlier response did not answer the question about 
adding the patches to an existing Mailman installation.

Proceed as follows:

1. remove the Mailman user id's crontab entries to stop Mailman doing 
stuff  and stop the MTA (sendmail or whatever) on the machine running 
Mailman to avoid things changing under your feet while installing the patches.

2. apply the patches in your Mailman distribution directory

3. re-run ./configure using the same parameters as you did originally (look 
in config.status if you need to remind yourself of what you did then)

4. re-run make install

5. go to your installed Mailman directory

6. re-run bin/check_perms and take any necessary action

7. do the mailman-htdig stuff described in the patched INSTALL file in your 
patched distribution directory, that is:

         a. adding the link to htdig's $CONFDIR

         b. edit Mailman/mm_cfg.py to enable HTDIG, provide rundig's 
location and the name of htdig link

8. if the crontab file you use is not cron/crontab.in then copy the lines 
to run nightly_htdig from cron/crontab.in to your crontab file

9. re-start your MTA on the mailman machine

10. re-add mailman's crontab

Note that until cron/nightly_htdig is run no list will be searchable but do 
not run it by hand just yet.

 From this point, all newly created lists with archives will be fully htdig 
enabled i.e. the search form will appear on their TOC pages when the first 
post to the list is made and the archive is thus reachable. Also their 
archive pages will have the search optimisation strings generated by the 
code in the first patch.

Existing lists will become htdig enabled, i.e. the search form will be 
added to their TOC pages, when they next receive a posting. Also the search 
optimisation strings generated by the code in the first patch will be in 
all newly created archive pages. It is probably worth sending a message to 
all your archived mail lists at this point to get the htdiggy stuff done 
for the list.

Existing archive pages for postings will not have embedded in them the 
search optimisation strings generated by the code in the first patch. You 
can update these existing pages by running the bin/arch script to rebuild 
the archive of exisitng lists. You do not have to do this but I would 
recommend it.

Using the mailman user id, run cron/nightly_htdig by hand and this will 
build htdigs indices for each mail archive that has a search form on its 
TOC page. This will get existing archives searchable in advance of the 
overnight htdig re-indexing run.

I hope I haven't forget anything and that your existing archives are all 
searchable. I'm sure I can rely on people telling me about the mistakes 
I've mad in the above.



>Richard Barrett wrote:
>
>>The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) search 
>>engine with Mailman.
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103




From Ben.Edwards at chase.com  Tue Oct 23 13:35:31 2001
From: Ben.Edwards at chase.com (Ben.Edwards at chase.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:35:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User cant unsubscribe, being accused of sending spam
Message-ID: 

This is a strange one.  Normaly with email in the headers you get
  for 
Someware but the stuff I am getting from mailmand douse not have this.
This is kind of disturbing, thought it was ALWAYS possible to tell which
address an email was sent to.

The problem is the user can't remember which email address they subscribed
to and as they are acusing me of sending them spam wont tell me what email
addresses they have.

BTW this is a non-cemercial list where everyone asked to be subscribed.

I know I could ask them to try all there email addresses in the web
interface but this will anoy them and I realy want to find why the 'for'
bit is missing.

Ben




From Berean at C-Squad.org  Tue Oct 23 15:24:05 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:24:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to disable attachments?
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to disable attachments sent to a Mailman list?  Id like to
use it as a security feature and also to prevent possible screwups with
those on digest.

Thanks for any info.

Frank Pagano (The Berean)
Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org)
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From david at midrange.com  Tue Oct 23 15:46:44 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:46:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to disable attachments?
In-Reply-To:  from "The Berean" at Oct 23, 2001 09:24:05 AM
Message-ID: <200110231346.f9NDkkO22388@linux.midrange.com>

Check out patch #413752 at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103

> 
> 
> Is there a way to disable attachments sent to a Mailman list?  Id like to
> use it as a security feature and also to prevent possible screwups with
> those on digest.
> 
> Thanks for any info.



From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Tue Oct 23 15:57:25 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:57:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Sorting
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20011023095709.01456c78@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

Is there a way to get Mailman to sort its headers differently, so that
"To:" "From:" and "Subject:" all come down _under_ Mailman's custom headers?

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"" 
     -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01




From Berean at C-Squad.org  Tue Oct 23 15:58:50 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:58:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to disable attachments?
In-Reply-To: <200110231346.f9NDkkO22388@linux.midrange.com>
Message-ID: 

I need to clarify what Im looking for.  Disabling attachments altogether is
a great option to have, but what Id like to do is be able to disable
attachments ONLY for those members on digest mode on my mailman list.  Is
this possible as well?



Frank Pagano (The Berean)
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Gibbs [mailto:david at midrange.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:47 AM
>To: Berean at C-Squad.org
>Cc: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to disable attachments?
>
>
>Check out patch #413752 at
>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&gro
>up_id=103&atid=300103
>
>>
>>
>> Is there a way to disable attachments sent to a Mailman list?  Id like to
>> use it as a security feature and also to prevent possible screwups with
>> those on digest.
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>
>




From david at midrange.com  Tue Oct 23 16:14:37 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:14:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is there a way to disable attachments?
In-Reply-To:  from "The Berean" at Oct 23, 2001 09:58:50 AM
Message-ID: <200110231414.f9NEEd124030@linux.midrange.com>

> I need to clarify what Im looking for.  Disabling attachments altogether is
> a great option to have, but what Id like to do is be able to disable
> attachments ONLY for those members on digest mode on my mailman list.  Is
> this possible as well?

Ah, not with the patch I refered you too.  That disables attachments
entirely (HTML attachments being the most important).

david




From camel at lrllamas.com  Tue Oct 23 16:40:51 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:40:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: python error starting MM2.1a3
Message-ID: <200110231440.f9NEeqR29156@camel.lrllamas.com>

Python guru needed... what is causing this error???

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/www/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 43, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 37, in ?
    import email.Iterators
ImportError: No module named email.Iterators

-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From klowther at cisnet.com  Tue Oct 23 16:37:32 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "global settings"
Message-ID: 

I know you can go in and individually set pages.  What about global defaults? 
 Mailman sends out my fully qualified domain name  @host.domain.com instead 
of @domain.com.  in the response messages.  So every time I set up a list it 
notifies the owner before I can fix that mailing.  All the rest are ok since 
I have set it up by list.

Ken Lowther



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Oct 23 16:55:48 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:55:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: python error starting MM2.1a3
In-Reply-To: <200110231440.f9NEeqR29156@camel.lrllamas.com>
References: <200110231440.f9NEeqR29156@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <20011023105548.B3092@mems-exchange.org>

On 23 October 2001, Camel said:
> Python guru needed... what is causing this error???
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/var/www/mailman//cron/gate_news", line 43, in ?
>     from Mailman import MailList
>   File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 37, in ?
>     import email.Iterators
> ImportError: No module named email.Iterators

You're using a recent version of Mailman that relies on the "email"
package being installed, but you don't have that package.  Two
solutions:
  * install the "email" package (surely this is covered in the
    Mailman 2.1 install docs)
  * upgrade to Python 2.2b1 (which includes the "email" package
    out of the box)

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From camel at lrllamas.com  Tue Oct 23 17:51:01 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:51:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP: python error starting MM2.1a3 - now this accessing the listinfo page
In-Reply-To: <20011023105548.B3092@mems-exchange.org>
References: <200110231440.f9NEeqR29156@camel.lrllamas.com> <20011023105548.B3092@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <200110231551.f9NFp1R29643@camel.lrllamas.com>

Now this - instead of the listinfo page...

Bug in Mailman version 2.1a3
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem,
please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with
a description of what happened.  Thanks!

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/www/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 57, in main
    list_listinfo(mlist, language)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 188, in list_listinfo
    doc.AddItem(mlist.ParseTags('listinfo.html', replacements, lang))
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 314, in ParseTags
    text = Utils.maketext(template, raw=1, lang=lang, mlist=self)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 477, in maketext
    raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile)
IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'listinfo.html'

-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From samarta at ci.uc.pt  Tue Oct 23 18:13:37 2001
From: samarta at ci.uc.pt (Joao Sa Marta)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:13:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running two versions of Mailman ?
In-Reply-To: <15315.47615.891332.994452@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: 


Greetings,

I am using mailman 2.0.5.

And I have the whole thing running and supporting several lists.


The question is :

How can I install the new mailman version without removing the 
other one ? (in order to test my translation of the new version)

Or, must I upgrade the 2.0.5 version ?


Best regards,



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Tue Oct 23 18:38:23 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] eth0 Failure
References: <000101c15b75$b5bdca60$0501a8c0@glfbr1.fl.home.com> <01102223074605.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3BD59CFF.325659E1@auntminnie.com>

Yeep. I hope Drake 8.2 is easier than 8.0 was. It gave me a serious headache.
I've gone back to RedHat. ::shrug::

=)
Amanda


Jon Carnes wrote:

> On Monday 22 October 2001 23:49, tom hilton wrote:
> > Hi, I am brand new to linux, and trying to configure my install.  I have
> > a Toshiba Laptop running dual boot with W98 system,  I was wondering if
> > anyone had any suggestions for this problem;  When booting the system
> > gives me delayed initialization of eth0, and error messages saying no
> > high memory resources available.   Looking at the system log, the system
> > probes the two high memory areas set as include in the /etc/pcmcia/config
> > file, and excludes the entire area for both pieces.  I have no idea why
> > this is happening.  Has anyone else run across this.  My ethernet card is
> > a Linksys 100/10 card, that works fine in windows.  I am using tulip in
> > my alias file, I cant ping anything, always get network unavailable
> > error.  are there any commands or programs that analyze I/O usage in
> > Linux, or that can restrict the system from probing and excluding these
> > areas set aside for my ethernet card?  when i run cardctl and cardconfig,
> > I never get any irq or io info.  I dont know if PnP is messing things up
> > or not.  any ideas?  Thanks for your help.
> >
>  This is the wrong group for a hardware config problem in
> Linux 
>
> Check out your local LUG (linux users group).  You will be able locate it
> with the help of:
>   http://www.google.com
>
> There are specific help HOW-TO's for toshiba's that are as specific as your
> Toshiba.  You will probably need to look up your laptop on one of those.
> The problem is probably with your PCMCIA, and the answer to your question
> is probably as simple as entering your BIOS and toggling the way your
> Toshiba represents it PCMCIA slot to the computer's OS.
>
> BTW: your LUG will need to know what type of laptop you have, and what
> distribution of Linux you are using.  Since you are a beginning user, I
> would highly recommend Mandrake 8.2.  The auto-setup is very comprehensive
> and complete, and the distribution is highly compatible with RedHat.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Oct 23 19:38:59 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:38:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "global settings"
References: 
Message-ID: <00ab01c15be9$9912d3a0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Edit the file mm_cfg.py.

>From the file: ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
===
"""This module contains your site-specific settings.

>From a brand new distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py.  If you
already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you
want.  Mailman's installation procedure will never overwrite your mm_cfg.py
file.
The complete set of distributed defaults, with documentation, are in the
file
Defaults.py.  In mm_cfg.py, override only those you want to change, after
the

  from Defaults import *

line (see below).

Note that these are just default settings; many can be overridden via the
administrator and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis.

"""

###############################################
# Here's where we get the distributed defaults.

from Defaults import *

##################################################
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
===

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "global settings"


> I know you can go in and individually set pages.  What about global
defaults?
>  Mailman sends out my fully qualified domain name  @host.domain.com
instead
> of @domain.com.  in the response messages.  So every time I set up a list
it
> notifies the owner before I can fix that mailing.  All the rest are ok
since
> I have set it up by list.
>
> Ken Lowther
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Oct 23 19:48:02 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:48:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User cant unsubscribe, being accused of sending spam
References: 
Message-ID: <00c501c15bea$dcd424d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

They sent it via BCC.  If they sent it to the list, then you have said NO to
(under Privacy Options) "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc)
field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)? "

But Fear not.  If you have access to the mailserver and its logs, you can
always track down the origin of the message, so you'll at least have the ISP
that it came from.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:35 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User cant unsubscribe, being accused of sending
spam


> This is a strange one.  Normaly with email in the headers you get
>   for 
> Someware but the stuff I am getting from mailmand douse not have this.
> This is kind of disturbing, thought it was ALWAYS possible to tell which
> address an email was sent to.
>
> The problem is the user can't remember which email address they subscribed
> to and as they are acusing me of sending them spam wont tell me what email
> addresses they have.
>
> BTW this is a non-cemercial list where everyone asked to be subscribed.
>
> I know I could ask them to try all there email addresses in the web
> interface but this will anoy them and I realy want to find why the 'for'
> bit is missing.
>
> Ben
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Oct 23 19:50:15 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:50:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capturing other data.
References: <3BD51519.5020609@hal-pc.org>
Message-ID: <00cb01c15beb$2bd44ba0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The new alpha (2.1.3) allows you to capture the full name, and to use the
name in the header and footer of the message.  Much more than that, and
you'll need your own database (even if it's just text based).

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ignacio Valdes" 
To: 
Cc: "Joseph Dal Molin" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:58 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capturing other data.


> Perhaps this has been asked before, but is it possible with out of the
> box Mailman to capture a little more information upon user registration
> such as name, occupation, etc.?
>
> --
> -- Ignacio Valdes, Editor: Linux Medical News
> http://www.linuxmednews.com
> 'Revolutionizing Medical Education and Practice'
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From valites at geneseo.edu  Tue Oct 23 19:59:04 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:59:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004102347.031e53c8@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011022120200.025ae6a0@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023154017.02c2c008@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023175652.02a15af0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3BD5AFE8.1060005@geneseo.edu>

Richard,

I was half way through writing another email to explain where I was at. 
 You nailed the situation down with this one.  I had missed the ****in 
obvious and replaced LINK with DIR - must have stopped thinking for a 
little.  Since then, I had blow it away, and correctly configured it. 
 Now, nightly_htdig from the command line does bitch the first time I 
run it, but no output the second time.  Regardless how many times I run 
it, I get all files except the db.words.db in the appropriate directory, 
and the web error descrbed below follows.

Thanks again!



Richard Barrett wrote:

> Mark
>
> Our communications are crossing because I'm sending 2 for 1. I'll 
> guess that my last missive solves the problem of htdig not finding 
> config files for lists.
>
> At 12:17 23/10/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Richard, thanks again for such a quick response.
>>
>> I did in fact symlink with an trailing "/",  (that damn tab 
>> completion must have gotten me) and that fixed that problem...
>> I'm now onto the next.  After entering a query, I get another error 
>> from the web:
>>
>> Unable to read word database file 
>> '/home/mailman/arhives/private/LISTNAME/htdig/db.words.db'
>> Did you run htmerge?
>>
>> And there is in fact no file "db.words.db" in that directory.  An ls 
>> of the dir returns:
>>
>> db.docdb
>> db.wordlist
>> rundig_last_run
>> test.conf
>
>
> Essentially if mm_cfg.py is correct then you should not ever have to 
> mess with the htdig config files and such. With:
>
> 1. everything properly installed
>
> 2. a list created
>
> 3. a message sent to the list
>
> 4. nightly_htdig run either by cron or hand
>
> All should be well.
>
> Given the change HTDIG_MAILMAN_DIR to HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK in mm_cfg.py 
> is done try running nightly_htdig by hand. Just ignore its bitching 
> and moaning. Do an ls on 
> /home/mailman/archives/private//htdig to get something like 
> this:
>
> [barrett at mailman htdig]$ ls
> db.docdb       db.wordlist  .conf
> db.docs.index  db.words.db  rundig_last_run
>
> If that doesn't look right then bin all but the  in the 
> list's htdig directory and try running nightly_htdig again.
>
> RSVP
>
> Richard
>

-- 
Mark T. Valites
Unix Systems Analyst
124b South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
(716) 245-5577






From Rehan at nha.co.za  Tue Oct 23 20:39:22 2001
From: Rehan at nha.co.za (Rehan van der Merwe)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:39:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
Message-ID: 

Hi Richard, someone,

I have the patches installed fine and everything looks fine untill I
actually do a search, when I get an "error 404 File not found" in my
browser.  It looks for the file http://my_server/cgi-bin/htsearch, which of
course does not exist in my cgi directory, but in /usr/bin/htsearch.

How can I fix this?  Should I create a s-link to this file?  I am quit
certain that I followed the steps accurately as specified in the patched
INSTALL

Rehan van der Merwe 



From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Oct 23 20:53:49 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:53:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capturing other data. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ignacio Valdes  
   of "Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:58:33 CDT." <3BD51519.5020609@hal-pc.org> 
References: <3BD51519.5020609@hal-pc.org> 
Message-ID: <6355.1003863229@2wire.com>

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:58:33 -0500 
Ignacio Valdes  wrote:

> Perhaps this has been asked before, but is it possible with out of
> the box Mailman to capture a little more information upon user
> registration such as name, occupation, etc.?

Currently no.  Some of this will be easier with the next rev of
Mailman.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Oct 23 20:56:46 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:56:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Sorting 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jonathan Andrew Sheen  
   of "Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:57:25 EDT." <3.0.32.20011023095709.01456c78@pop.ma.ultranet.com> 
References: <3.0.32.20011023095709.01456c78@pop.ma.ultranet.com> 
Message-ID: <6400.1003863406@2wire.com>

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:57:25 -0400 
Jonathan Andrew Sheen  wrote:

> Is there a way to get Mailman to sort its headers differently, so
> that "To:" "From:" and "Subject:" all come down _under_ Mailman's
> custom headers?

Currently, no.

I also suspect that this is not what you want due to MUAs
necessarily already sorting and re-representing mail headers as they
wish.  Please see the FAQ in regard to RFC 2369 headers and Eudora.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Oct 23 20:57:37 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:57:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "global settings" 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ken  
   of "Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:32 EDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <6441.1003863457@2wire.com>

On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:32 -0400 
klowther   wrote:

> I know you can go in and individually set pages.  What about
> global defaults? Mailman sends out my fully qualified domain name
> @host.domain.com instead of @domain.com.  in the response
> messages.  So every time I set up a list it notifies the owner
> before I can fix that mailing.  All the rest are ok since I have
> set it up by list.

See Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for the appropriate config item.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From paul at coxcentral.com  Tue Oct 23 22:21:31 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:21:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using pre-existing passwords along with MailMan passwords?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20011023152131.B7320@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Monday, Oct 22, 2001, Jerry Stratton wrote:

> What I'm looking at as a possibility is setting up an Apache
> .htaccess file so that all of the mailman directories are password
> protected, but allow guest access (Apache has a special module that
> will do this). If a user logs in using their UNet account, map it to
> their e-mail address and bypass mailman's login process. If the user
> logs in as a guest, do not bypass mailman's login process.

If you manage to figure it out, please tell us how you did it. =)  This
sounds like a REALLY cool feature, so maybe you should send it to the
mailman-developers list, or Barry directly.  It probably wouldn't be
until sometime in the distant future, I'm afraid though (AFAIK).

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-26mdk  -  Uptime: 2 days 14 hours 57 minutes.



From ventanazul at terra.com.pe  Wed Oct 24 05:00:33 2001
From: ventanazul at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:00:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customize mailman subscribe messages
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi, i run my web site at a hosting provider, i have a shared account so i
don't have root access to my Red Hat server. My hosting company uses Mailman
and i would like to be able to customize the messages sent to the user when
he/she subscribe, i mean the confirmation message, and also customize the
welcome message and the monthly password reminder messages. My web site is
in spanish language and i would like to be able to write what i want on
those messages, is this possible without being root on my server?.

Thanks.

Regards from Lima, Peru.

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
alexis at ventanazul.com

ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com
Tel: 4368700 - 9856982




From moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu  Wed Oct 24 10:05:57 2001
From: moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (Moacir)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:05:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
In-Reply-To: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu>; from moacir@zuikis.uchicago.edu on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 09:02:22PM -0500
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <20011024030556.A5996@zuikis.uchicago.edu>

I've since upgraded to 2.1a3, to see if that would fix things.

First, the README.EXIM has to be changed to look for config.pck instead
of config.db (or else messages won't even get out the starting gate)--at
least, that's what I had to do.

Next, I'm still getting the same problems as before--messages get into
the qfiles directory and then just sit there. 

Oct 24 02:54:33 2001 (28401) delivery to moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu
failed with code -1: ignore

is an example of the line I get in smtp-failure.

Any hints?

thanks,

--m



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Wed Oct 24 14:59:58 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:59:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] In which case -admin receives e-mail
Message-ID: <01102412595813.01413@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Hello,

under which circumstances there are incomming
e-mails to  -admin  ?
(Except the case that I am sending an e-mail explicit to -admin) 

I suppose Normaly -admin never receive any mail.


- oliver 



From ignacio.labrador at sema.es  Wed Oct 24 13:20:43 2001
From: ignacio.labrador at sema.es (Ignacio Labrador Pavon)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:20:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation
Message-ID: <3BD6A40B.3060109@sema.es>

I have just installed mailman on my PC. Everything was OK, but after 
creating my first list (the 'test' list sugested in the documentation), 
I do not receive any e-mail with instructions on how to visit the list 
and start operating...

I stopped at this point, and I dont know how to continue now... can 
somebody help me with this?

Thanks in advance,

Ignacio.

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From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Wed Oct 24 15:41:12 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:41:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation
In-Reply-To: <3BD6A40B.3060109@sema.es>
References: <3BD6A40B.3060109@sema.es>
Message-ID: <01102413411214.01413@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Have you set up the cron-daemon ?
If not the installation document will tell you what to do ...
 

- oliver

> I have just installed mailman on my PC. Everything was OK, but after
> creating my first list (the 'test' list sugested in the documentation),
> I do not receive any e-mail with instructions on how to visit the list
> and start operating...
>
> I stopped at this point, and I dont know how to continue now... can
> somebody help me with this?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ignacio.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are
> solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of
> SchlumbergerSema. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that
> you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination,
> forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited.
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>
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From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Oct 24 14:27:03 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:27:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1a3 another strange python bug
Message-ID: <200110241227.f9OCR4A08377@camel.lrllamas.com>

I ended up restoring the 2.0.6 installation (I love BRU)
but I didn't get any response to the following error when I accessed
the listinfo page. All of the templates were in the correct directory and the 
permissions were set. The old templates were also all there, with a 
"xxx.html.prev" extension. I know the default language is english, but I 
think it's looking for "lang"=en which doesn't look like it was set during 
the make install process

Bug in Mailman version 2.1a3
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem,
please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with
a description of what happened.  Thanks!

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/var/www/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 57, in main
    list_listinfo(mlist, language)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 188, in list_listinfo
    doc.AddItem(mlist.ParseTags('listinfo.html', replacements, lang))
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 314, in ParseTags
    text = Utils.maketext(template, raw=1, lang=lang, mlist=self)
  File "/var/www/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 477, in maketext
    raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile)
IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'listinfo.html'
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From valites at geneseo.edu  Wed Oct 24 15:09:31 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:09:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004102347.031e53c8@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011022120200.025ae6a0@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011023154017.02c2c008@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3BD6BD8B.704@geneseo.edu>

Richard and all - I got it.  These patches are not nearly as painful to 
install as you might have gathered from these emails.

First, make sure to use HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK, instead of DIR - that will 
break things.
Second, HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/path/to/rundig', not /path/to/htdig

Aside from these two stupid, stupid mistakes, the implementation is 
incredibly easy.  Job well done to Richard.

>>
>> HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'
>> HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/htdig/bin/rundig'
>> USE_HTDIG = 1
>
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124b South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
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(716) 245-5577






From Berean at C-Squad.org  Wed Oct 24 15:20:21 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:20:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Voiding Cpanel support by patching Mailman?
Message-ID: 

I know a lot of hosting services uses the web panel called "cpanel" which
usually has Mailman bundled with it.  Does anyone know if patching mailman
with additional features (like searching archives) would void support for
cpanel?

Thanks,

Frank Pagano (The Berean)
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From rsavage at nandomedia.com  Wed Oct 24 16:42:07 2001
From: rsavage at nandomedia.com (rsavage at nandomedia.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:42:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
Message-ID: 

I am new to this list, and somewhat new to mailman.  I fellow employee at
my company who did our MailMan administration has left, and not filtered
down enough information for me.  I need to know how to change the ``site''
password from what it is now, to something diffrent.

Thanks

-Rory Savage





From rsavage at nandomedia.com  Wed Oct 24 17:13:29 2001
From: rsavage at nandomedia.com (rsavage at nandomedia.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords
In-Reply-To: <3BD6DA18.3000205@sema.es>
Message-ID: 

Thanks, I was able to get this working.

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Ignacio Labrador Pavon wrote:

> You can change your site password using:
>
> /bin/mmsitepass 
>
>
>
> rsavage at nandomedia.com wrote:
>
> > I am new to this list, and somewhat new to mailman.  I fellow employee at
> > my company who did our MailMan administration has left, and not filtered
> > down enough information for me.  I need to know how to change the ``site''
> > password from what it is now, to something diffrent.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Rory Savage
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> >
>
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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Oct 24 18:19:44 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:19:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu> <20011024030556.A5996@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <00a401c15ca7$b13b6c80$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> Next, I'm still getting the same problems as before--messages get into
> the qfiles directory and then just sit there.
>
> Oct 24 02:54:33 2001 (28401) delivery to moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu
> failed with code -1: ignore
>
> is an example of the line I get in smtp-failure.
>

In you ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py what is the value of your
Delivery defaults?
===
#####
# Delivery defaults
#####

# Delivery module for the message pipeline.  See
# Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details.  Unless overridden
specifically
# in that module, this handler is used for message delivery to the list, and
# to an individual user.  This value must be a string naming a module in the
# Mailman.Handlers package.
#
# SECURITY WARNING: The Sendmail module is not secure!  Please read the
# comments in Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py for details.  Use at your own
# risk.
#
#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'

# Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP
# transaction.  Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one
# transaction.  Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500

# Maximum number of simulatenous subthreads that will be used for SMTP
# delivery.  After the recipients list is chunked according to
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS,
# each chunk is handed off to the smptd by a separate such thread.  If your
# Python interpreter was not built for threads, this feature is disabled.
You
# can explicitly disable it in all cases by setting MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS to
# 0.  This feature is only supported with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE.
#
# NOTE: This is an experimental feature and limited testing shows that it
may
# in fact degrade performance, possibly due to Python's global interpreter
# lock.  Use with caution.
MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS = 0

# SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 0                                      # default from smtplib

# Command for direct command pipe delivery to sendmail compatible program,
# when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'Sendmail'.
SENDMAIL_CMD = '/usr/lib/sendmail'

# Allow for handling of MTA-specific features (i.e. aliases).  Most MTAs use
# "sendmail" (including Sendmail, Postfix, and Exim).  Qmail uses the
"qmail"
# style.
MTA_ALIASES_STYLE = 'sendmail'





From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Oct 24 18:52:21 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:52:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capturing other data.
References: 
Message-ID: <3BD6F1C5.A5B14D78@nleaudio.com>

> Perhaps this has been asked before, but is it possible with out of
> the box Mailman to capture a little more information upon user
> registration such as name, occupation, etc.?

See http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm



From moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu  Wed Oct 24 18:50:48 2001
From: moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (Moacir)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:50:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
In-Reply-To: <00a401c15ca7$b13b6c80$0b04010a@JCARNES>; from jonc@haht.com on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 12:19:44PM -0400
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu> <20011024030556.A5996@zuikis.uchicago.edu> <00a401c15ca7$b13b6c80$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20011024115048.A7012@zuikis.uchicago.edu>

Jon Carnes wrote on 24 October 01:

> In you ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py what is the value of your
> Delivery defaults?

They aren't declared in mm_cfg.py, and the Defaults.py are, as I've been
instructed, untouched.

I changed SMTPHOST to 'lithchat.com' and now it seems to be
delivering--oops, except now I'm having relaying problems.

--m



From javier at KJSL.COM  Thu Oct 25 00:23:29 2001
From: javier at KJSL.COM (Javier Henderson)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:23:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems building 2.1a3
Message-ID: <15319.16225.527194.156728@armada.kjsl.com>

	On a FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE system with Python 2.01, I get the
following when trying to "make install":


Compiling /export/homec/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/export/homec/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 34, in ?
    import email.Iterators
ImportError: No module named email.Iterators
*** Error code 1
 
Stop in /export/homea/javier/src/mailman/mailman-2.1a3.


	I downloaded the tarball from sourceforge earlier today.

	Any ideas?

-jav



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Oct 25 00:29:19 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:29:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems building 2.1a3
Message-ID: <200110242228.PAA16776@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Did you install misc/email.*gz first, like the instructions say to?

    Mailman 2.1 now requires the "email" package, which comes as part
    of Python 2.2.  If you are running an older version of Python,
    then you need to install the standalone email package by doing the
    following steps:

    % cd misc
    % tar zxf email-0.93.tar.gz
    % cd email-0.93
    % python setup.py install


> 	On a FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE system with Python 2.01, I get the
> following when trying to "make install":
> 
> 
> Compiling /export/homec/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
>     from Mailman import Utils
>   File "/export/homec/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 34, in ?
>     import email.Iterators
> ImportError: No module named email.Iterators
> *** Error code 1
>  
> Stop in /export/homea/javier/src/mailman/mailman-2.1a3.
> 
> 
> 	I downloaded the tarball from sourceforge earlier today.
> 
> 	Any ideas?
> 
> -jav
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jmasterson at modwest.com  Thu Oct 25 04:13:37 2001
From: jmasterson at modwest.com (John Masterson)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:13:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password request, subcribing hanging
Message-ID: <003001c15cfa$a8b506e0$1101a8c0@modwest.com>

Mailman 2.0.6
Redhat 6.2
Python 1.5.2

We've considered upgrading Python, but we noticed that the brand new Redhat
7.2 still uses the older version, so we're cautious that there may be a
reason for that.

When a user tries to subscribe to a list, or when a user requests that their
password be sent to them, the web page and hangs and spins and eventually
results in a 'document contains no data' (Netscape)  or 'cannot find server'
(IE). The request does actually goes through, multiple (two or three in my
tests) times. Other web functions seem to work fine, nice and speedy.

After clicking the subscribe request submit button, two processes were
created that look like this:

mailman  31401  0.1  0.4  3336 2468 ?        S    20:05   0:00
/usr/bin/python -S /www/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
mailman  31429  0.1  0.4  3336 2468 ?        S    20:05   0:00
/usr/bin/python -S /www/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe

They persist for around five minutes.

Mailman logs look like this:

==> smtp <==
Oct 24 20:09:01 2001 (27919) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.143 seconds
Oct 24 20:09:02 2001 (27919) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.514 seconds

==> smtp-failure <==
Oct 24 20:08:42 2001 (31401) -1 jmasterson at modwest.com (ignore)
Oct 24 20:08:53 2001 (31429) -1 jmasterson at modwest.com (ignore)

==> subscribe <==
Oct 24 20:08:42 2001 (31401) mtnorml-list: pending jmasterson at modwest.com
208.146.74.99
Oct 24 20:08:53 2001 (31429) mtnorml-list: pending jmasterson at modwest.com
208.146.74.99


I ended up getting two subscription confirmation emails.


Thanks for any ideas or suggestions.




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From pvmailman at nekophile.com  Mon Oct 22 23:20:37 2001
From: pvmailman at nekophile.com (pvmailman at nekophile.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about umbrella lists
Message-ID: 

I've only located to options relevant to this:

Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to
user.

Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, according to
setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting.

I cannot find a setting to make this list an umbrella list.  Consequently,
I receive "Message has implicit destination" errors whenever I post to the
intended umbrella list.

Any help is appreciated.

Regards,
Phil

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# voters to win the next election.





From mogul-mailman at gelatinous.com  Mon Oct 22 23:27:06 2001
From: mogul-mailman at gelatinous.com (Bret Mogilefsky)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:27:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analog to remove_members for nomail?
Message-ID: <20011022142706.A2106@gelatinous.com>

Hi folks,

In tying Mailman deeper into my website, I'm trying to make it so that
suspension of a user on the site means suspension of his subscription to
site mailing lists... Basically the same functionality as checking the
"nomail" box in the web interface.  I notice that there is no
suspend_members or nomail_members command, nor any such argument to
remove_members... Is there some obvious way to do this that I'm missing,
and if not where should I be looking to figure out how to hack it?

Thanks,
Bret
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From emcnabb at cs.byu.edu  Tue Oct 23 00:14:24 2001
From: emcnabb at cs.byu.edu (Evan N McNabb)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:14:24 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html files
Message-ID: 

We have been using Mailman for quite some time without any problems. 
Somehow as we were upgrading a server the HTML directory containing the 
admin pages was deleted. Everything seems to be running just fine 
still (the lists that is) but we can't manage the admin pages for the 
lists. Is there any way to regenerate those pages? Thanks.

-Evan

P.S. I'm not on the mailing list so could you mail me back at my address?


-----------------
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System Programmer
emcnabb at cs.byu.edu
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From fvallad at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 23 17:18:46 2001
From: fvallad at hotmail.com (Fernando Valladares)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:18:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to use
Message-ID: 

I need information about the use and configuration the Mailman.

They have documentation in Spanish ???

Thanks

Fernando Valladares

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From rdegucht at phys.ucl.ac.be  Tue Oct 23 17:22:47 2001
From: rdegucht at phys.ucl.ac.be (Raoul De Guchteneere)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:22:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments in archive
Message-ID: <3BD5A767.17394.A9348798@localhost>

Hello,

When a message with attachments is sent to a list and archived, the
mail message is stored in raw form with mime boundaries, etc.  Is
there a way to keep the attachments in a more user-friendly form, or
is there a utility that can easily reconstruct the messages or extract
the attachments from the archive?

Thanks in advance,

Raoul
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D?partement de Physique
Universit? catholique de Louvain




From braker at danenet.wicip.org  Tue Oct 23 22:05:53 2001
From: braker at danenet.wicip.org (Steve Braker)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:05:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman be set to reject/ignore attachments?
Message-ID: 

Subject says it all.  I don't see any such thing in the documentation, but
wonder if there is a way?

Thanks,

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From mark at knm.org  Tue Oct 23 23:50:32 2001
From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:50:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Host Name
Message-ID: <200110232150.f9NLoW118963@home.knm.org>

Hello.  I am trying to set up some lists and I am having trouble
with the "from" address.  When I set up a test list, I want the
request address, for example, to be:

test-request at domain.com

When I send mail to this, I always get a reply that says it is
from:

test-request at server.domain.com

My mail server does not like this, to say the least.  It will be
a bigger issue when I set up other lists on other domains.

Does this value come from the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME value in Defaults.py?
If so, how can I override this for each list?  And shouldn't there be
a DEFAULT_DOMAIN_NAME?  Unfortunately I need domain.com to resolve to
the web server, so I can't have the host and domain the same.

Thanks,
Mark




From jennyart at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 24 17:22:52 2001
From: jennyart at hotmail.com (Jenny Mehlenbeck)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:22:52 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] despirate!!!!
Message-ID: 

I hope someone there can help.

I was set up with this mailman service through wisesource.com for my 
newsletter mailing list.   It's been months now and I cannot get this 
blasted thing to work.   No one at wisesource can figure it out.  Paul 
Matthewes, (owner of wisesrouce) even posted a request to all his clients 
for help and so far, no one can figure this out.

I managed to get all the settings right.  Auto responders, 
subscribe/unscribe all works fine.

HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY POST A MESSAGE TO THE LIST??????????

There are NO instructions.  At least not for average people to understand.  
I have the list titled, I subscribed my mailing address under that title,  
but when I "send to" that name, I am the only person to actually get a copy.

Please help!

Jenny Mehlenbeck


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From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Oct 24 21:19:50 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:19:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderators replies
In-Reply-To: <200110221102.MAA22077@isg.cs.reading.ac.uk>; from anthony.worrall@reading.ac.uk on Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:03:58PM +0100
References: <200110221102.MAA22077@isg.cs.reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20011024121950.B3054@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Oct 22, 2001 at 12:03:58PM +0100, Anthony Worrall wrote:
> Is it possible to customise the moderators replies on a per list basis.
> 
> I would like to change the "Your message to XXXX awaits moderator approval" 
> and the  Request to mailing list XXXX rejected replies.

You have the source code. You grep for the string and you change it
(you don't even have to know programming to do that)

Marc
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From Berean at C-Squad.org  Thu Oct 25 06:15:23 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:15:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ideal setting for Digest, MIME or Plain?
Message-ID: 

What's the most troublefree setting for digest, plain or MIME?   How does
the MIME setting handle attachments sent to a mailman list for those on
digest?

Tanks for any info,

Frank Pagano (The Berean)
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 06:35:26 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:35:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html files
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01102500352608.08033@anncons.nc.rr.com>

You should be able to retrace the install steps (after backing everything 
up this time!), and recover everything without losing anything.

If you compiled from the Tarballs and still have the source you may be able 
to just cd to that dir and type: "make install"

Jon Carnes

On Monday 22 October 2001 18:14, Evan N McNabb wrote:
> We have been using Mailman for quite some time without any problems.
> Somehow as we were upgrading a server the HTML directory containing the
> admin pages was deleted. Everything seems to be running just fine
> still (the lists that is) but we can't manage the admin pages for the
> lists. Is there any way to regenerate those pages? Thanks.
>
> -Evan
>
> P.S. I'm not on the mailing list so could you mail me back at my address?
>
>
> -----------------
>    Evan McNabb
> System Programmer
> emcnabb at cs.byu.edu
> ------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 06:47:08 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:47:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] despirate!!!!
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01102500470809.08033@anncons.nc.rr.com>

http://web.aurora.edu/~ckolar//mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

Since you subscibed your email address to it, you should get the message.  
Subscribe someone else and see if they also get the message.

Jon Carnes

On Wednesday 24 October 2001 13:22, Jenny Mehlenbeck wrote:
> I hope someone there can help.
>
> I was set up with this mailman service through wisesource.com for my
> newsletter mailing list.   It's been months now and I cannot get this
> blasted thing to work.   No one at wisesource can figure it out.  Paul
> Matthewes, (owner of wisesrouce) even posted a request to all his clients
> for help and so far, no one can figure this out.
>
> I managed to get all the settings right.  Auto responders,
> subscribe/unscribe all works fine.
>
> HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY POST A MESSAGE TO THE LIST??????????
>
> There are NO instructions.  At least not for average people to
> understand. I have the list titled, I subscribed my mailing address under
> that title, but when I "send to" that name, I am the only person to
> actually get a copy.
>
> Please help!
>
> Jenny Mehlenbeck
>
>
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From barry at zope.com  Thu Oct 25 07:02:07 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:02:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (qrunner not delivering)?
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
	<20011024030556.A5996@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <15319.40143.239851.437331@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "M" == Moacir   writes:

    M> First, the README.EXIM has to be changed to look for config.pck
    M> instead of config.db (or else messages won't even get out the
    M> starting gate)--at least, that's what I had to do.

Ah thanks, I've updated README.EXIM in cvs.

    M> Next, I'm still getting the same problems as before--messages
    M> get into the qfiles directory and then just sit there.

    M> Oct 24 02:54:33 2001 (28401) delivery to
    M> moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu failed with code -1: ignore

    M> is an example of the line I get in smtp-failure.

    M> Any hints?

Looking at SMTPDirect.py gives a clue: if your smtp connection failed
because of a low-level socket error, or any kind of SMTPException
other than SMTPRecipientsRefused, we can't dig an smtp error code out
of the exception, so we log it as error -1.

I suspect that Mailman can't complete the socket connection to your
MTA.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Thu Oct 25 07:06:51 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:06:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1a3 another strange python bug
References: <200110241227.f9OCR4A08377@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <15319.40427.58359.124570@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "C" == Camel   writes:

    C> I ended up restoring the 2.0.6 installation (I love BRU) but I
    C> didn't get any response to the following error when I accessed
    C> the listinfo page. All of the templates were in the correct
    C> directory and the permissions were set. The old templates were
    C> also all there, with a "xxx.html.prev" extension. I know the
    C> default language is english, but I think it's looking for
    C> "lang"=en which doesn't look like it was set during the make
    C> install process

Read the long comment in Utils.py, maketext() for the search order for
template files.  If it can't find listinfo.html in one of those
directories, then I suspect your restore messed things up.  It's not
totally clear to me from your message that you did a re-install of
Mailman 2.1a3 over your 2.0.6 installation after the restore.

You may have to run bin/update -f to force update to reorganize your
templates. 

I should remind folks that MM2.1 is still alpha, and that I /highly/
recommend discussions of this version be conducted on
mailman-developers.

Cheers,
-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Thu Oct 25 07:10:39 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:10:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Voiding Cpanel support by patching Mailman?
References: 
Message-ID: <15319.40655.642435.338840@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TB" == The Berean  writes:

    TB> I know a lot of hosting services uses the web panel called
    TB> "cpanel" which usually has Mailman bundled with it.  Does
    TB> anyone know if patching mailman with additional features (like
    TB> searching archives) would void support for cpanel?

Jeez, what /is/ cpanel?  I'm assuming www.cpanel.net right?  Why don't
they describe what they're all about somewhere (anywhere!) on their
home page?

So what is cpanel?  I've never heard of it before.

-Barry



From leoso at usa.net  Thu Oct 25 08:54:24 2001
From: leoso at usa.net (Leo So)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing footer for html mail?
Message-ID: <002b01c15d21$e1b56530$c37ba8c0@linus>

Hi I am using mailman 2.0.5 but noticed that footer
is not appended to each mail if the mail is in HTML.
Is it a known bug?

The footer is just the standard footer set by mailman.

Thanks,
leo.
--
  Leo So 






From linux at wombatsweb.com  Thu Oct 25 10:41:40 2001
From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 04:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>

I am new to Linux, Sendmail, and Mailman (uh-oh)

I have installed:
Mandrake Linux 8.1 running Apache Web Server
sendmail-8.12.1-4mdk & mailman-2.0.6-1mdk

I used http://www.list.org/install-start.html and followed where I could to 
get the mailman package configured ...
I looked through the mailman-users archives ... I have the web interface 
working ...

My first initial problem was with smrsh but overcame that with a symbolic 
link ...

My problem is the age old:
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 12?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

I issued: find / -name configure - and came up with nothing ... I'm 
assuming this is because I didn't compile the program, I simply used a 
Mandrake RPM ...

Since I used an RPM to install Mailman, how do I overcome this error using 
Sendmail?

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From denis at imsltd.com  Thu Oct 25 12:51:10 2001
From: denis at imsltd.com (Denis Croombs)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:51:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting Mailman set-up
Message-ID: <00e801c15d42$f5f67900$b41bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com>

Hi

I have RedHat 7.1 & Mailman 2.0.6 It installed OK and have followed the
manual from www.list.org/install-final.html but my APACHE will not accept
the line
Exec /mailman/* /home/mailman/cgi-bin/*

giving a systax error, bad command !

Any idea what I am doing wrong ?

Denis Croombs




From michael at spconnect.com  Thu Oct 25 16:14:08 2001
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting Mailman set-up
In-Reply-To: <00e801c15d42$f5f67900$b41bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com>
Message-ID: 

I don't think that is an Apache command. it should look more like this:

ScriptAlias   /mailman/       /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/



On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Denis Croombs wrote:

> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:51:10 +0100
> From: Denis Croombs 
> To: "Mailman-Users (E-mail)" 
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting Mailman set-up
> 
> Hi
> 
> I have RedHat 7.1 & Mailman 2.0.6 It installed OK and have followed the
> manual from www.list.org/install-final.html but my APACHE will not accept
> the line
> Exec /mailman/* /home/mailman/cgi-bin/*
> 
> giving a systax error, bad command !
> 
> Any idea what I am doing wrong ?
> 
> Denis Croombs
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Oct 25 16:14:34 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:14:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing footer for html mail?
In-Reply-To: <002b01c15d21$e1b56530$c37ba8c0@linus>
References: <002b01c15d21$e1b56530$c37ba8c0@linus>
Message-ID: <20011025101434.A2261@mems-exchange.org>

On 24 October 2001, Leo So said:
> Hi I am using mailman 2.0.5 but noticed that footer
> is not appended to each mail if the mail is in HTML.
> Is it a known bug?

I used to think this was a Mailman problem too.  Read the HTML email as
plain text (so you see all the tags), and I bet you'll see the footer.
The problem is that Mailman just tacks the footer on after the ""
that ends the message; presumably your HTML-rendering MUA stops as soon
as it sees "" so never shows you the footer.

Solution: don't allow HTML mail!  That solves *so* many problems.  Look
for demime, stripmime, or similar tools.

        Greg
-- 
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MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Oct 25 16:24:57 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:24:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
Message-ID: <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, David Pierron said:
> I am new to Linux, Sendmail, and Mailman (uh-oh)

I hope you haven't killed too many brain cells struggling with Sendmail.
Switch to a modern, comprehensible, high-performance, well-documented
MTA like Exim or Postfix before it's too late!  (If performance is of
paramount concern, it sounds like Postfix has the edge; I like Exim
because of it's high configurability, excellent docs, and friendly
community.)  (qmail is also good, but a bit of an oddball.)

> My problem is the age old:
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 12?)
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

The usual answer to this problem is: reconfigure and rebuild Mailman.
That means you need to build it from source, not install from an RPM.

If all the RPMs are using are from Mandrake, then their Mailman RPM is
broken.  You should complain to Mandrake.  In the meantime, build
Mailman yourself and revel in the total control that process gives you.
;-)

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Oct 25 16:27:07 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:27:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting Mailman set-up
In-Reply-To: <00e801c15d42$f5f67900$b41bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com>
References: <00e801c15d42$f5f67900$b41bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com>
Message-ID: <20011025102707.D2261@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, Denis Croombs said:
> I have RedHat 7.1 & Mailman 2.0.6 It installed OK and have followed the
> manual from www.list.org/install-final.html but my APACHE will not accept
> the line

Read those instructions more carefully.  It says *something like one of
the following*, not "all of the following".

        Greg



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 16:37:51 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:37:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
Message-ID: <01102510375101.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

>
> My problem is the age old:
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take
> 12?) 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> I issued: find / -name configure - and came up with nothing ... I'm
> assuming this is because I didn't compile the program, I simply used a
> Mandrake RPM ...
>
> Since I used an RPM to install Mailman, how do I overcome this error
> using Sendmail?
>
You could work-around this but it will probably be easier to re-install 
from source.

Oddly enough, installing from Source, is exactly twice as hard as 
installing from an RPM - It takes two commands, instead of one.
Well it takes three commands, if you include expanding the source.

The instructions for installing the source also mention your error 
explicitly, and tell you how to fix the problem.

You can download it from Sourceforge.  I recommend that you get v2.06.

You will ftp down the tar-ball (mailman-2.0.6.tar.gz or something similar).
Expand the tar-ball with the command: 
   tar -xzf mailman-2.0.6.tar.gz

This will create a directory called mailman-2.0.6 (or something similar).
   cd mailman-2.0.6
   ./configure
    make install

Assuming that your RPM followed all the other defaults, you should be good 
to go at this point.

This assumes that you already have a valid user and a valid group named 
"mailman".  Also it assumes that /home/mailman exists and is the place you 
want the files installed to (and where the rpm installed the files...).  
You already mentioned that the smrsh link was made.  As long as the 
directories stay the same (rpm vs source) then it's all still good.

Mandrake 8.1 should use "nobody" as the owner of apache, "mail" as the 
owner of sendmail.  Your RPM must have already added the Mailman cgi-bin 
directory to apache.  So it again, it should all work.

I hope this helps!  Once you begin installing tarballs of main 
applications, its hard to stop.  The source is sooo much easier to tweak, 
and it really isn't that hard to install:
   ./configure
   make
   make install

Of course Mailman skips the make step... and that puzzled me for a long 
time, because it was installing pre-compiled modules on my system that 
obviously were not customized to my system (since I had not done a "make" 
after ./configure).  Now I see that ./configure adjusts the source files 
and later, Python, when it runs a module, checks to see if the source is 
newer than the compiled module.  If so, it recompiles the module for you 
automagically.  Python is cool!

Jon Carnes



From briert at cepu.ca  Thu Oct 25 16:48:57 2001
From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:48:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca>

I couldn't agree more.  I was using the RPMs from RedHat with Sendmail.
It was taking about 30 minutes to deliver 500 messages.

I downloaded and  installed Postfix (not the RPM) and watched the time drop
to 1 minute and 45 seconds.

I liked that experience enough to download the tar file for Mailman.  This
allowed me to install a later version.

Question of concern to me is:
The RPM will verify that no dependencies will get broken.  What method can I
use to verify that, as an example, if I install
Python 2, that no dependencies will be broken?


Thanks,

Timothy Brier


----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Ward" 
To: "David Pierron" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist


> On 25 October 2001, David Pierron said:
> > I am new to Linux, Sendmail, and Mailman (uh-oh)
>
> I hope you haven't killed too many brain cells struggling with Sendmail.
> Switch to a modern, comprehensible, high-performance, well-documented
> MTA like Exim or Postfix before it's too late!  (If performance is of
> paramount concern, it sounds like Postfix has the edge; I like Exim
> because of it's high configurability, excellent docs, and friendly
> community.)  (qmail is also good, but a bit of an oddball.)
>
> > My problem is the age old:
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take
12?)
> > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> The usual answer to this problem is: reconfigure and rebuild Mailman.
> That means you need to build it from source, not install from an RPM.
>
> If all the RPMs are using are from Mandrake, then their Mailman RPM is
> broken.  You should complain to Mandrake.  In the meantime, build
> Mailman yourself and revel in the total control that process gives you.
> ;-)
>
>         Greg
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From arandall at auntminnie.com  Thu Oct 25 17:01:21 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:01:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] despirate!!!!
References: 
Message-ID: <3BD82940.2F84A38C@auntminnie.com>

Hi Jenny,

Jenny Mehlenbeck wrote:

> I managed to get all the settings right.  Auto responders,
> subscribe/unscribe all works fine.

Well, I'm not questioning your ability, but it sounds like at least one of the settings,
somewhere, for something, isn't right. :-) Happens to all of us, from time to time, so
don't stress too much over it; instead, let's jump right in and tackle the problem, eh?

> There are NO instructions.  At least not for average people to understand.

Average people are usually not system administrators... Linux documentation can be quite
frustrating, in fact I had a nice rant about that recently myself.

> I have the list titled, I subscribed my mailing address under that title,
> but when I "send to" that name, I am the only person to actually get a copy.

Okay, let's start at the very beginning... (a very good place to start)

What are your rights on the server? Do you have admin equivalent? If not, you're going to
have to wrangle some answers out of your administrators.
What type of server is this running on? (what operating system and distribution, what MTA
[mail server] and what version of it, what web server and what version of it, that'll be
a nice start)
What version of Mailman are you using?
What mail aliases do you have set for the list? To where were they added and what do they
look like? (This will depend on your MTA, and is a very important piece of the puzzle.)
What do your logs look like? Look at the server, MTA, and mailman logs; they all have a
different job to do and may report different error messages relating to different
functions.

This stuff falls into the category of "helpful information to supply to technical
support." While the folks here aren't really The Technical Support Department(tm), they
use the same kind of information to tackle technical difficulties. If you've checked in
every nook and cranny, you probably have this information already at your disposal. If
not, then... well, not everything has been checked, and one cannot assume that all the
settings are correct.

=)
Amanda





From arandall at auntminnie.com  Thu Oct 25 17:18:28 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:18:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3BD82D44.682468CD@auntminnie.com>

RPMs under Drake, in my experience, are evile. I have gotten precisely one RPM for
Mandrake 8 to install correctly on my system. Not using RPMs was the lesson I
learned right after how to find downloaded files (imagine, webbing all these
years, and the first thing I do in Mandrake is lose a download). The lesson I
learned immediately after "don't trust RPMs" is how to tweak and compile stuff
myself. :-)

happy tweaking,
=)
Amanda


Greg Ward wrote:

> On 25 October 2001, David Pierron said:
> > I am new to Linux, Sendmail, and Mailman (uh-oh)
>
> I hope you haven't killed too many brain cells struggling with Sendmail.
> Switch to a modern, comprehensible, high-performance, well-documented
> MTA like Exim or Postfix before it's too late!  (If performance is of
> paramount concern, it sounds like Postfix has the edge; I like Exim
> because of it's high configurability, excellent docs, and friendly
> community.)  (qmail is also good, but a bit of an oddball.)
>
> > My problem is the age old:
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 12?)
> > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> The usual answer to this problem is: reconfigure and rebuild Mailman.
> That means you need to build it from source, not install from an RPM.
>
> If all the RPMs are using are from Mandrake, then their Mailman RPM is
> broken.  You should complain to Mandrake.  In the meantime, build
> Mailman yourself and revel in the total control that process gives you.
> ;-)
>
>         Greg
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
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>
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 17:24:12 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:24:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
In-Reply-To: <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org> <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca>
Message-ID: <01102511241303.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Thursday 25 October 2001 10:48, Timothy Brier wrote:
> I couldn't agree more.  I was using the RPMs from RedHat with Sendmail.
> It was taking about 30 minutes to deliver 500 messages.
>
> I downloaded and  installed Postfix (not the RPM) and watched the time
> drop to 1 minute and 45 seconds.
>
I run Sendmail at work (and have also run Postfix).  I run Postfix at home 
and at a few contract clients - Mandrake defaults to postfix.  The postfix 
works just fine, and I have no problems with it.  My sendmail works just 
fine and I have no problems with it either. 

The performance I get with loads of 100k messages/day is very similar with 
both Postfix and Sendmail.  If it is taking you over 5 minutes to deliver 
500 messages (< 50k each) from a sendmail server, then something is wrong 
with:
  - the install/configuration of your Sendmail
  - the cpu/disk subsystem of your PC
  - your DNS must be caca.

===

I my corporate mail servers, I install Sendmail from source and optimize it 
based on the articles on http://www.sendmail.org.  The whole process takes 
about 4 hours, and the end result is a spiffy mailserver that handles a 
pounding very well and keeps delivering.

I have no bias against Postfix.  I like it just fine.  Sendmail also works 
just fine.

Now if you are processing huge amounts of email on a nice server with SCSI 
disk subsystems, you will see a definite advantage while using Postfix.  
This advantage is lost however on a moderate level server with an IDE disk 
subsystem.

Just speaking from my own experience.  If anyone has a real definitive 
study showing otherwise, I would like to see it.

Jon Carnes



From briert at cepu.ca  Thu Oct 25 18:13:23 2001
From: briert at cepu.ca (Timothy Brier)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:13:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org> <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca> <01102511241303.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <006a01c15d6f$f9346c80$2800a8c0@cep.ca>

I know it came across as such, but I did not mean to bad mouth Sendmail.
For all I know if I
downloaded and compiled Sendmail I would get the same performance.   I know
a local ISP that uses and
highly recommends it.

My point was that although RPMs are a convenient way to install software, my
experience is
that if you solely rely on the availability of an RPM, then you may be
missing out on other alternatives.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...


> On Thursday 25 October 2001 10:48, Timothy Brier wrote:
> > I couldn't agree more.  I was using the RPMs from RedHat with Sendmail.
> > It was taking about 30 minutes to deliver 500 messages.
> >
> > I downloaded and  installed Postfix (not the RPM) and watched the time
> > drop to 1 minute and 45 seconds.
> >
> I run Sendmail at work (and have also run Postfix).  I run Postfix at home
> and at a few contract clients - Mandrake defaults to postfix.  The postfix
> works just fine, and I have no problems with it.  My sendmail works just
> fine and I have no problems with it either.
>
> The performance I get with loads of 100k messages/day is very similar with
> both Postfix and Sendmail.  If it is taking you over 5 minutes to deliver
> 500 messages (< 50k each) from a sendmail server, then something is wrong
> with:
>   - the install/configuration of your Sendmail
>   - the cpu/disk subsystem of your PC
>   - your DNS must be caca.
>
> ===
>
> I my corporate mail servers, I install Sendmail from source and optimize
it
> based on the articles on http://www.sendmail.org.  The whole process takes
> about 4 hours, and the end result is a spiffy mailserver that handles a
> pounding very well and keeps delivering.
>
> I have no bias against Postfix.  I like it just fine.  Sendmail also works
> just fine.
>
> Now if you are processing huge amounts of email on a nice server with SCSI
> disk subsystems, you will see a definite advantage while using Postfix.
> This advantage is lost however on a moderate level server with an IDE disk
> subsystem.
>
> Just speaking from my own experience.  If anyone has a real definitive
> study showing otherwise, I would like to see it.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From arandall at auntminnie.com  Thu Oct 25 19:48:29 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:48:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org> <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca> <01102511241303.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <006a01c15d6f$f9346c80$2800a8c0@cep.ca>
Message-ID: <3BD8506D.E44B6235@auntminnie.com>

My fundamental issue with sendmail is that it's not intuitive. The docs aren't
intuitive or even helpful. One arrives at optimum system performance not by
reading and making informed tweaks to the system, but by randomly twiddling and
praying for the best. In other words, it's basically voodoo, and that doesn't
jibe with being the kind of no-bull system adminstrator I tend to be. Ditto for
Cisco equipment - if I need a Ph.D. and five feet of shelf space for the manuals
required to make it run, I don't want it on my network...

=)
Amanda


Timothy Brier wrote:

> I know it came across as such, but I did not mean to bad mouth Sendmail.
> For all I know if I
> downloaded and compiled Sendmail I would get the same performance.   I know
> a local ISP that uses and
> highly recommends it.
>
> My point was that although RPMs are a convenient way to install software, my
> experience is
> that if you solely rely on the availability of an RPM, then you may be
> missing out on other alternatives.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Carnes" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:24 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
>
> > On Thursday 25 October 2001 10:48, Timothy Brier wrote:
> > > I couldn't agree more.  I was using the RPMs from RedHat with Sendmail.
> > > It was taking about 30 minutes to deliver 500 messages.
> > >
> > > I downloaded and  installed Postfix (not the RPM) and watched the time
> > > drop to 1 minute and 45 seconds.
> > >
> > I run Sendmail at work (and have also run Postfix).  I run Postfix at home
> > and at a few contract clients - Mandrake defaults to postfix.  The postfix
> > works just fine, and I have no problems with it.  My sendmail works just
> > fine and I have no problems with it either.
> >
> > The performance I get with loads of 100k messages/day is very similar with
> > both Postfix and Sendmail.  If it is taking you over 5 minutes to deliver
> > 500 messages (< 50k each) from a sendmail server, then something is wrong
> > with:
> >   - the install/configuration of your Sendmail
> >   - the cpu/disk subsystem of your PC
> >   - your DNS must be caca.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > I my corporate mail servers, I install Sendmail from source and optimize
> it
> > based on the articles on http://www.sendmail.org.  The whole process takes
> > about 4 hours, and the end result is a spiffy mailserver that handles a
> > pounding very well and keeps delivering.
> >
> > I have no bias against Postfix.  I like it just fine.  Sendmail also works
> > just fine.
> >
> > Now if you are processing huge amounts of email on a nice server with SCSI
> > disk subsystems, you will see a definite advantage while using Postfix.
> > This advantage is lost however on a moderate level server with an IDE disk
> > subsystem.
> >
> > Just speaking from my own experience.  If anyone has a real definitive
> > study showing otherwise, I would like to see it.
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Oct 25 20:29:39 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:29:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org> <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca>
Message-ID: <20011025142939.A3542@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, Timothy Brier said:
> Question of concern to me is:
> The RPM will verify that no dependencies will get broken.  What method can I
> use to verify that, as an example, if I install
> Python 2, that no dependencies will be broken?

That's where the fun comes in.  Generally, you have to be vigilant, read
the docs, know what's installed on your system, and keep careful track
of what you do to it.  And even then, most open source software is
worthless crap that won't work.  (Not unlike most commercial software,
it's just the bar is lower to release a pile of free crap.)  Mailman and
Python are, thankfully, among the exceptions.

        Greg
-- 
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MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Oct 25 21:03:00 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:03:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 problem
Message-ID: <3BD861E4.720CE45C@isu.edu>

I install Mailman 2.0.6 on a p600 10gb hard drive, 128mb, with RED HAT
7.2.

The web interface works fine, I just can't receive email from the lists,

when I  subscribe a
user they do receive a welcome message, but when they try to  post a
message to the list it's never received by any of the list members. The
message does not even show up in the /mailman/qfiles and the
/mailman/logs report nothing. The logs will only report  when someone
subscribes, (which are logs in /home/mailman/logs/smtp and
/home/mailman/logs/subscribe, nothing is in the /home/mailman/logs/error

log file).

I'm using SENDMAIL -8.11.6-3. I  have the wrapper set in /etc/smrsh so
that's not an issue.
There is no error with the MAIL GID being unknown.

Here's what I receive in the /mailman/logs/smtp

Oct 25 12:22:33 2001 (1888) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.058
seconds

The /var/log/maillog  logfile also does not report any errors.

Any solutions?

Reply to wheakory at isu.edu

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Phone 282-3874
#########################################
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From valites at geneseo.edu  Thu Oct 25 21:16:52 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:16:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004102347.031e53c8@pop.ftel.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.2.20011022120200.025ae6a0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3BD86524.8060406@geneseo.edu>

Richard, I got a good one for you...

Below in this email, you mentioned that you could get the patches to 
work if they ran on a different machine that the one that the actual 
archives lived on.  Unfortuneatly, I think I may have to go there... 
 Htdig does not compile under gcc-3.0.X, and it is difficult to get 
going under solaris 8 from what I have read and been replied to on the 
htdig mailing list.  

So, I have my ultra 5 desktop set up so that it exports the whole 
mailman dir to a linux box at the far end of the room.  The linux box 
has a successfull build of htdig, and another mailman test site(with 
searchable archives working!).  I mounted the mailman export from the 
ultra 5 into /mnt/ultra on the linux box.  From there, I added the stuff 
to mm_cfg.py on the sun (/mnt/ultra/Mailman/mm_cfg.py on the linux box):

HTDIG_MAILMAN_DIR = 'htdig-ultra'
HTRUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/htdig/bin/rundig' # (on the linux box)
USE_HTDIG = 1,
after previously creating a symlink on the linux box from 
/mnt/ultra/archives/htdig to /usr/local/htdig/conf/htdig-ultra (on the 
linux box)

The main archives webpage on the sun picks up the patches, and displays 
the search box, like it should.  However, after I enter a query, I get 
an error saying:

requested URL /cgi-bin/htsearch was not found on the server.
I figure this comes from the fact htdig never was installed on the sun, 
and that this was getting picked up from the linux box install of htdig.

In addition, the link that gets created from the nightly_htdig cron job 
(I think it comes from there, I could very well be wrong) points to
 /home/mailman/archives/private/listname/htdig/listname.conf.  Problem 
is, on the linux box, that directory is not correct, and it points to 
the local mailman install.  

To correct this, I think that link should instead point to 
../private/listname/htdig/listname.conf

Granted, that will only take care of one of my problems.  (How)/can I 
get the query to perform correctly on the sun machine with no htdig 
installed? or did I read too much into what you said?



Richard Barrett wrote:

> Mark
>
> At 14:56 19/10/2001 -0400, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>
>> I've been looking at implementing these two patches into a new 
>> mailman install I am doing here.  The documentation seems to be 
>> missing though. I'm able to patch the mailman source, but what to do 
>> after that I'm a bit lost as for what to do.  While this isn't a 
>> mailing list for these pathces, I was wondering if anyone has had any 
>> experience installing these patchs, ideas of where I can find more 
>> info on them, and maybe if anyone knows if they can be added to an 
>> existing mailman install after it has already been implemented and used.
>
>
> Read the INSTALL file in $build/INSTALL which is patched by the 
> patches. It should now contain the following text:
>
>         - Setting up Mailman list archive search using
>           Mailman-htdig (http://www.htdig.org) integration
>
>           You must have htdig installed and it must be able to access
>           $prefix/archives directly i.e. either htdig must be running
>           on the same machine as Mailman or it must be able to reach
>           the archives via NFS.
>
>           Next, establish where htdig expects to find its configuration
>           files. For instance with my copy of Redhat 6.2 Secure Web 
> Server rpms
>           this is /etc. With Suse Linux 6.4 rpms this is 
> /opt/www/htdig/conf.
>           Create a symbolic link in this directory to 
> $prefix/archives/htdig.
>
>           For instance:
>
>               ln -s /home/mailman/archives/htdig /etc/htdig-mailman
>
>           You need to set up the following Mailman configuration 
> parameters
>           in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
>
>           HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK - string variable. Set this to the name 
> of the
>           symlink you just created. For instance:
>
>               HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'
>
>           HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH - string variable. The path to the script 
> which
>           runs to build htdig search indices. For example:
>
>               HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig'
>
>           USE_HTDIG = 1 - python truth value activates Mailman use of 
> htdig
>
>       Lists with archives will be searchable via the list's TOC page from
>       now on.
>
>       Notes:
>
>       1. By default, rundig is run for each archived list every day (if
>          new posts to the list have been archived since rundig was last
>          run) by cron executing the script $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig.
>          Change Mailman's crontab entries if you want to change this
>          interval.
>
>       2. Until a list has some archived postings and nightly_htdig has
>          been run once, then search's of a list's archive will fail with
>          a complaint about missing db files. To overcome this, post a
>          message to the list and run nightly_htdig by hand from the
>          command line under the mailman UID.
>
> If you need any further info, please contact me. Best of luck
>
> Richard
>
>
>> Richard Barrett wrote:
>>
>>> The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) 
>>> search engine with Mailman.
>>>
>>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103
>>>
>>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103
>>>
>>>
>>> At 09:52 03/10/2001 -0400, The Berean wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the answers to my previous question, they were very much
>>>> appreciated.  I just have one more:
>>>>
>>>> Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives?  I know it 
>>>> can list
>>>> and store archives, but I havent seen anything about searching 
>>>> them.  If
>>>> not, would a CGI search script do the job?  If it can, what would 
>>>> be the
>>>> best CGI script to use?  I have an Entropy search script 
>>>> preinstalled on my
>>>> server, but it's designed to searc my entire website, not strictly the
>>>> archives.  I noticed Python.org has a feature for searching the 
>>>> archives by
>>>> Inktomi, but that looks like its going to cost a couple of amputations.
>>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>>
>>>> Frank Pagano (The Berean)
>>>> Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org)
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org
>>>> Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076
>>>> ICQ#: 98723297
>>>> AOL Screen Name: Berean333
>>>> Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek
>>>> ******************************************
>>>> "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a
>>>> little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>>>> --Benjamin Franklin, 1759
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>>>> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>>>> Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mark T. Valites
>> Unix Systems Analyst
>> 124b South Hall
>> SUNY Geneseo
>> Geneseo, NY 14454
>> (716) 245-5577
>>
>>
>


-- 
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Unix Systems Analyst
124b South Hall
SUNY Geneseo
Geneseo, NY 14454
(716) 245-5577






From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 21:23:15 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:23:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
In-Reply-To: <3BD8506D.E44B6235@auntminnie.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <006a01c15d6f$f9346c80$2800a8c0@cep.ca> <3BD8506D.E44B6235@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <0110251523150A.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Thursday 25 October 2001 13:48, Amanda wrote:
> My fundamental issue with sendmail is that it's not intuitive. 

Sendmail is not intuitive.  Very true, and a very good argument against its 
use.  If you don't mind, I'll translate that statement into "Sendmail is 
overly complex and convuluted."  Very true.  It tries to be an MTA for all 
seasons and all situations.  This makes it somewhat bloated and by its 
sheer volume of possible configurations: intimidating.

It also means that its development and deployment is much harder, and the 
possibility of an exploit creeping in unnoticed is much higher.

> The docs aren't intuitive or even helpful. 

There is a great volume of sendmail documentation.  Some of it is horrible. 
Some of it is great!  I've always found the writing at:
  http://www.sendmail.org 
to be clear and to the point.  Very good stuff.  Very helpful.  Arranged in 
an "intuitive" manner.

> One arrives at optimum system performance not by reading and making
> informed tweaks to the system, but by randomly twiddling and praying
> for the best. In other words, it's basically voodoo,

There are excellent docs on increasing the performance of Sendmail.  
My personal favorite tweak is to get rid of ident:
  O Timeout.ident=0s 

The bonehead default for this is 30 seconds, and since most servers don't 
use ident, you waste 30 seconds waiting for it at each site you connect to.

If you send a message to 500 distinct sites (which don't use ident) then 
the soonest you can expect to be done is 21minutes!

Also for a mail server, you should adjust up the following:
===
# load average at which we just queue messages
#O QueueLA=8
 
# load average at which we refuse connections
#O RefuseLA=12
 
# maximum number of children we allow at one time
#O MaxDaemonChildren=12
 
# maximum number of new connections per second
#O ConnectionRateThrottle=3
===
You should be able to double these easily on a decent server that is mainly 
a mail server.  
The defaults are meant to enable sendmail to run on very low-end systems 
without trouble.



From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Thu Oct 25 21:24:27 2001
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:24:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shortening URLS
Message-ID: <20011025142427.A3440@austin.ibm.com>

Running mailman 2.0.6, on Linux with Apache,  is there a way to 
shorten the URL to the listinfo page for a specific list ?

i.e.   http:///mailman/listinfo/
becomes
       http:/// 


RTFM-ing, didn't provide any clues.

Mike



From linux at wombatsweb.com  Thu Oct 25 21:46:18 2001
From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:46:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com>

So what I'm getting here is that I should start the Mailman installation 
all over again?

I did mention that a: find / -name configure - turned up nothing on my 
system ... Do I have to acquire more software as well?

Remember, I'm a Linux, Sendmail, Mailman newb ... although have been 
involved with computers since it was called "Data Processing" and have done 
my share of C programming in a DOS environment ...

I also decided on Sendmail because I want to host many domains with their 
own "virtual" mail server ...  I don't know if PostFix will do this 
...  The recommendation to remove Postfix and install Sendmail came from 
the book: Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators The Secret Decoder Ring 
by Mark Minasi

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From Billy.Harvey at thrillseeker.net  Thu Oct 25 16:05:18 2001
From: Billy.Harvey at thrillseeker.net (Billy Harvey)
Date: 25 Oct 2001 10:05:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Courier
Message-ID: <1004018718.13792.8.camel@rhino>

I'm not subscribed, so please cc me any responses.

I'm trying to use Mailman with the Courier MTA.  Courier is extremely
picky about compliance with various mail RFCs, and complains that when
Mailman is trying to hand a message off to it that a non-compliant
address is being given to it.

The syslog shows:

Oct 24 21:57:15 maestro courieresmtpd:
error,relay=::ffff:127.0.0.1,ident="list",msg="554 Syntax error - your
mail software violates RFC 821.",cmd: RCPT TO:

The Courier FAQ says this error is usually due to the sending software
not wrapping the RCPT TO address in <> 's.

Is that the case in Mailman?  Is that an easy fix on my end and if so
any pointer to what I should change?  Is it something else?

Thanks,
Billy Harvey




From dredd at megacity.org  Thu Oct 25 23:35:57 2001
From: dredd at megacity.org (Derek J. Balling)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
In-Reply-To: <3BD8506D.E44B6235@auntminnie.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
 <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org>
 <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca>
 <01102511241303.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
 <006a01c15d6f$f9346c80$2800a8c0@cep.ca> <3BD8506D.E44B6235@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: 

>...if I need a Ph.D. and five feet of shelf space for the manuals 
>required to make it run, I don't want it on my network...

Man, you would have never made it in the days of VAXen and the big 
{blue,orange,grey} walls.... ;-)

D


-- 
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| dredd at megacity.org  | "Thou art the ruins of the noblest man  |
|  Derek J. Balling   |  That ever lived in the tide of times.  |
|                     |  Woe to the hand that shed this costly  |
|                     |  blood" - Julius Caesar Act 3, Scene 1  |
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Thu Oct 25 23:59:15 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:59:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
	 <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org>
	 <003d01c15d64$2d072400$2800a8c0@cep.ca>
	 <01102511241303.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
	 <006a01c15d6f$f9346c80$2800a8c0@cep.ca> <3BD8506D.E44B6235@auntminnie.com> 
Message-ID: <3BD88B33.DA0DCEE8@auntminnie.com>

You're right, I'd have torn out all my hair and gone back to teaching
things like the psychology of complex musical compositions. :-)

=)
Amanda


"Derek J. Balling" wrote:

> >...if I need a Ph.D. and five feet of shelf space for the manuals
> >required to make it run, I don't want it on my network...
>
> Man, you would have never made it in the days of VAXen and the big
> {blue,orange,grey} walls.... ;-)
>
> D
>
> --
> +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
> | dredd at megacity.org  | "Thou art the ruins of the noblest man  |
> |  Derek J. Balling   |  That ever lived in the tide of times.  |
> |                     |  Woe to the hand that shed this costly  |
> |                     |  blood" - Julius Caesar Act 3, Scene 1  |
> +---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 00:02:54 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:02:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Courier
In-Reply-To: <1004018718.13792.8.camel@rhino>
References: <1004018718.13792.8.camel@rhino>
Message-ID: <20011025180254.A1320@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, Billy Harvey said:
> The syslog shows:
> 
> Oct 24 21:57:15 maestro courieresmtpd:
> error,relay=::ffff:127.0.0.1,ident="list",msg="554 Syntax error - your
> mail software violates RFC 821.",cmd: RCPT TO:
> 
> The Courier FAQ says this error is usually due to the sending software
> not wrapping the RCPT TO address in <> 's.

Wow, so much for "Be liberal in what you accept, conservative in what
you emit."  ;-)

> Is that the case in Mailman?  Is that an easy fix on my end and if so
> any pointer to what I should change?  Is it something else?

The best way to find out is to use packet-tracing software like
Ethereal.  Ethereal is amazingly cool; just run it for a few seconds
while Mailman is passing a message to your MTA, find a packet from that
connection, and you can reconstruct the whole SMTP session.  Question
answered.

The second-best way is: Use the Source, Luke.  A quick look at
Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py reveals that Mailman uses Python's
smtplib module.  Specifically, it creates an SMTP object and calls
sendmail() on it.

No wait, it uses Mailman's "custom" version of smtplib.  So let's take a
look in Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py for the answer.  Here's a snippet
from the SMTP.sendmail() method:
    for each in to_addrs:
        (code,resp)=self.rcpt(each, rcpt_options)
        if (code <> 250) and (code <> 251):
            senderrs[each]=(code,resp)

So what we're really interested in is the SMTP.rcpt() method; here's the
relevant line from that:
    self.putcmd("rcpt","TO:%s%s" % (quoteaddr(recip),optionlist))

OK, now we need to look at quoteaddr().  This function calls
rfc822.parseaddr() to extracts the bare address from a possibly-hairy
RFC-822 mailbox, eg.
  "John Doe " -> "john at example.net"
and then wraps the bare address in "<..>".  (Yes, that is a legal
mailbox according to RFC 822.)

The only time quoteaddr() doesn't do that is if it can't parse the
address, *or* if the address is an empty string.

So the answer is: yes, Mailman does emit correct RCPT TO commands, but
it might screw up in pathological cases.  Use Ethereal (or a similar
tool) to see what's going wrong between Mailman and Courier.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 00:07:57 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:07:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com>
Message-ID: <20011025180757.B1320@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, David Pierron said:
> So what I'm getting here is that I should start the Mailman installation 
> all over again?

Yes.  It *sounds* like Mandrake's Mailman RPM is broken, so you'll have
to build from source. 

> I did mention that a: find / -name configure - turned up nothing on my 
> system ... Do I have to acquire more software as well?

Ooh, you *are* a newbie!  ;-)  Congrats on learning how to use "find" and
taking a wild stab in the dark before posting.

Many free software packages for Unix, including Mailman, ship with a
"configure" script which you run before building the software.  Unless
you already have the source for such a package installed on your system,
that "find" command won't turn anything up.

I believe someone else already posted clear instructions on how to
download, unpack, configure and build Mailman.  It's not that hard, you
just have to read the instructions included in the source package.

> I also decided on Sendmail because I want to host many domains with their 
> own "virtual" mail server ...  I don't know if PostFix will do this 
> ...  The recommendation to remove Postfix and install Sendmail came from 
> the book: Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators The Secret Decoder Ring 
> by Mark Minasi

If *I* was reading a book that told me to install Sendmail, I'd take it
back and demand a refund.  ;-)  But clueful people here have said
Sendmail's not so bad.  I'm just morally opposed to config files that
look like line noise.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From leanne at nacse.org  Fri Oct 26 00:08:42 2001
From: leanne at nacse.org (leanne lai)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:08:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problem
Message-ID: <200110252208.PAA04307@pancake.NACSE.ORG>


Seems like the Mailman archiving function does not work properly with mailx.
When I use netscape mail or pipe or elm to reply to a mail list, the archiving 
function seems to work fine ie it is indented. But when I try to use mailx to 
reply, Mailman archival function seems to treat it as a new thread (no 
indentation) instead of a reply to an existing thread.

Does anyone else have this problem or know ways to get around this?




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 00:15:02 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:15:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shortening URLS
In-Reply-To: <20011025142427.A3440@austin.ibm.com>
References: <20011025142427.A3440@austin.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20011025181502.C1320@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, Michael H Moran said:
> Running mailman 2.0.6, on Linux with Apache,  is there a way to 
> shorten the URL to the listinfo page for a specific list ?
> 
> i.e.   http:///mailman/listinfo/
> becomes
>        http:/// 

This should be doable with a simple RewriteRule.

Try this:
  RewriteRule ^/foo-list$ /mailman/listinfo/foo-list

If you have many lists whose names all end in "-list":
  RewriteRule ^/([^/]*)-list$ /mailman/listinfo/$1-list

If you have a couple of lists with variable names:
  RewriteRule ^/(foo-list|bar-devel|qux-users)$ /mailman/listinfo/$1

You get the idea (I hope).  These are all completely untested and off
the top of my head.

> RTFM-ing, didn't provide any clues.  

Which FM?  This is really an Apache question.  See the docs for the
rewrite engine:
  http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html

The biggest gotcha is that you have to do "RewriteEngine on" *for each
virtual host* in your http.conf.

        Greg



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 00:17:46 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:17:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problem
In-Reply-To: <200110252208.PAA04307@pancake.NACSE.ORG>
References: <200110252208.PAA04307@pancake.NACSE.ORG>
Message-ID: <20011025181746.D1320@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, leanne lai said:
> Seems like the Mailman archiving function does not work properly with
> mailx.  When I use netscape mail or pipe or elm to reply to a mail
> list, the archiving function seems to work fine ie it is indented. But
> when I try to use mailx to reply, Mailman archival function seems to
> treat it as a new thread (no indentation) instead of a reply to an
> existing thread.

Perhaps mailx doesn't set the In-reply-to header.  Take a look in the
archive mbox file to see for sure.

> Does anyone else have this problem or know ways to get around this?

Umm, don't use mailx?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From rforsythe at centerone.com  Fri Oct 26 00:26:15 2001
From: rforsythe at centerone.com (Ralph Forsythe)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:26:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail getting bum rap...
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> >...if I need a Ph.D. and five feet of shelf space for the manuals
> >required to make it run, I don't want it on my network...
>

That's what separates the "system engineers" from the "skr1pt k1d33s". ;-)

I don't like needing 30 books just to make a program work, but most of the
time that isn't required.  However anytime you start talking about
advanced-to-expert level tweaking of something, the reference library
seems to pile up quickly.  (I do have the "Wall of Cisco", a ridiculous
amount of those dark blue books dedicated to routing and switching in
mundane detail...)

- Ralph




From jmasterson at modwest.com  Fri Oct 26 00:41:45 2001
From: jmasterson at modwest.com (John Masterson)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:41:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password request, subcribing hanging
Message-ID: <00c901c15da6$3aa17a60$1101a8c0@modwest.com>

Any ideas on this out there?

Thanks.

--
John Masterson
Modwest
Powerful, Affordable Hosting
http://www.modwest.com
406-541-4678

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Masterson" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:13 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password request, subcribing hanging


>
> Mailman 2.0.6
> Redhat 6.2
> Python 1.5.2
>
> We've considered upgrading Python, but we noticed that the brand new
Redhat
> 7.2 still uses the older version, so we're cautious that there may be a
> reason for that.
>
> When a user tries to subscribe to a list, or when a user requests that
their
> password be sent to them, the web page and hangs and spins and eventually
> results in a 'document contains no data' (Netscape)  or 'cannot find
server'
> (IE). The request does actually goes through, multiple (two or three in my
> tests) times. Other web functions seem to work fine, nice and speedy.
>
> After clicking the subscribe request submit button, two processes were
> created that look like this:
>
> mailman  31401  0.1  0.4  3336 2468 ?        S    20:05   0:00
> /usr/bin/python -S /www/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
> mailman  31429  0.1  0.4  3336 2468 ?        S    20:05   0:00
> /usr/bin/python -S /www/mailman/scripts/driver subscribe
>
> They persist for around five minutes.
>
> Mailman logs look like this:
>
> ==> smtp <==
> Oct 24 20:09:01 2001 (27919) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.143 seconds
> Oct 24 20:09:02 2001 (27919) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.514 seconds
>
> ==> smtp-failure <==
> Oct 24 20:08:42 2001 (31401) -1 jmasterson at modwest.com (ignore)
> Oct 24 20:08:53 2001 (31429) -1 jmasterson at modwest.com (ignore)
>
> ==> subscribe <==
> Oct 24 20:08:42 2001 (31401) mtnorml-list: pending jmasterson at modwest.com
> 208.146.74.99
> Oct 24 20:08:53 2001 (31429) mtnorml-list: pending jmasterson at modwest.com
> 208.146.74.99
>
>
> I ended up getting two subscription confirmation emails.
>
>
> Thanks for any ideas or suggestions.
>
>
>
>
> --
> John Masterson
> Modwest
> Powerful, Affordable Hosting
> http://www.modwest.com
> 406-541-4678
>
>
>




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 26 01:32:29 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:32:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 problem
References: <3BD861E4.720CE45C@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <014f01c15dad$50618be0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Deja vu all over again.  I must have answered this question 4 times now in
the past two weeks.

Check to insure that your crontab is running all the mailman scripts.
  su mailman
  crontab -e

you should see a full page of scripts kicking off (well a full page worth,
with all the comments).  In particular, you want to make sure that qrunner
is running.  If your crontab is working, then run the qrunner script by hand
(just as you see it in the crontab for Mailman).  Please report the results.

Was this installed from an RPM?  Were you in fact missing the crontab
entries?  If  "yes" and "yes", we need to contact the person's responsible
for that RPM and smack them upside the head...

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kory Wheatley" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:03 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 problem


> I install Mailman 2.0.6 on a p600 10gb hard drive, 128mb, with RED HAT
> 7.2.
>
> The web interface works fine, I just can't receive email from the lists,
>
> when I  subscribe a
> user they do receive a welcome message, but when they try to  post a
> message to the list it's never received by any of the list members. The
> message does not even show up in the /mailman/qfiles and the
> /mailman/logs report nothing. The logs will only report  when someone
> subscribes, (which are logs in /home/mailman/logs/smtp and
> /home/mailman/logs/subscribe, nothing is in the /home/mailman/logs/error
>
> log file).
>
> I'm using SENDMAIL -8.11.6-3. I  have the wrapper set in /etc/smrsh so
> that's not an issue.
> There is no error with the MAIL GID being unknown.
>
> Here's what I receive in the /mailman/logs/smtp
>
> Oct 25 12:22:33 2001 (1888) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.058
> seconds
>
> The /var/log/maillog  logfile also does not report any errors.
>
> Any solutions?
>
> Reply to wheakory at isu.edu
>
> --
> #########################################
> Kory Wheatley
> Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
> Phone 282-3874
> #########################################
> Everything must point to him.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 26 01:49:55 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:49:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about umbrella lists
References: 
Message-ID: <019501c15daf$bf92bf50$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Phil, peruse the archives (for this month) and you will find all your
questions answered.

Below are some comments.
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:20 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about umbrella lists


> I've only located to options relevant to this:
>
> Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to
> user.

The wording on this option is the worst.  Read it instead as: Is this an
Umbrella list?
  Answer yes if it is.

>
> Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, according to
> setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting.
>
> I cannot find a setting to make this list an umbrella list.  Consequently,
> I receive "Message has implicit destination" errors whenever I post to the
> intended umbrella list.

Umbrella lists do not do what you expect.  I wrote an FAQ on umbrella lists
about a month ago.
  Umbrella lists allow folks to recieve multipul emails (if they are one
more than one list in the Umbrella...
  You must put the Umbrella list name into the proper field under Privacy
options for each of the lists in the Umbrella.  This allows the name to also
act as though it is a TO or CC directly to the list.

For more details, please see the archives

Jon Carnes




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 26 01:56:58 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:56:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analog to remove_members for nomail?
References: <20011022142706.A2106@gelatinous.com>
Message-ID: <019b01c15db0$bbd350e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This is actually quite easy to do, but you will have to write your own
scripts for it (or hire someone to do it for you), as this is not a function
of Mailman.

Check out the command line scripts in ~mailman/bin/...

Run an hourly list of your active users out of /etc/passwd.  Compare the new
list with last hours list.  If any folks are missing (or commented out),
then use the Mailman command line scripts to look for what lists they belong
to, and then remove them from those lists.

Easy to do.  Should take you two hours.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bret Mogilefsky" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:27 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analog to remove_members for nomail?


> Hi folks,
>
> In tying Mailman deeper into my website, I'm trying to make it so that
> suspension of a user on the site means suspension of his subscription to
> site mailing lists... Basically the same functionality as checking the
> "nomail" box in the web interface.  I notice that there is no
> suspend_members or nomail_members command, nor any such argument to
> remove_members... Is there some obvious way to do this that I'm missing,
> and if not where should I be looking to figure out how to hack it?
>
> Thanks,
> Bret
> --
> Bret Mogilefsky * Mgr. SCEA Developer Support * mogul at gelatinous.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ventanazul at terra.com.pe  Fri Oct 26 02:13:08 2001
From: ventanazul at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:13:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change default welcome message
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi i would like to know how i can change default welcome, confirmation and
password reminder messages sent from mailman. I use mailman 2.0.6 and don't
have root access to my hosting server.

I also would like to know if i can use variables on those emails such as the
email address of the subscriber.

Thanks and regards

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
alexis at ventanazul.com

ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com
Tel: 4368700 - 9856982





From ventanazul at terra.com.pe  Fri Oct 26 02:13:10 2001
From: ventanazul at terra.com.pe (Alexis Bellido)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1531 - 3 msgs
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi, i have put one html form on one of my web pages to subscribe to one
list, just like from the list info page, what i want is that visitors just
put their email and don't have to choose password.

What i am doing now is putting the password fields hidden and passing a
fixed value, also do this to choose "no" for digest, but this makes that all
my users have the very same password, i would like mailman to generate a
random password as happens if users subscribe by sending email to
mylist-request at mydomain.com

How can i do that?.

Regards.

Alexis Bellido M.
www.ventanazul.com - Web Design/ Hosting / eCommerce
alexis at ventanazul.com

ICQ: 95509561 | MSN Messenger: alexisbellido at hotmail.com
Tel: 4368700 - 9856982




From mhm at austin.ibm.com  Fri Oct 26 02:39:46 2001
From: mhm at austin.ibm.com (Michael H Moran)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:39:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shortening URLS
In-Reply-To: <20011025181502.C1320@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 06:15:02PM -0400
References: <20011025142427.A3440@austin.ibm.com> <20011025181502.C1320@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20011025193946.A5831@austin.ibm.com>

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 06:15:02PM -0400, Greg Ward wrote:
> On 25 October 2001, Michael H Moran said:
> > Running mailman 2.0.6, on Linux with Apache,  is there a way to 
> > shorten the URL to the listinfo page for a specific list ?
> > 
> > i.e.   http:///mailman/listinfo/
> > becomes
> >        http:/// 
> 
> This should be doable with a simple RewriteRule.
> 
> Try this:
>   RewriteRule ^/foo-list$ /mailman/listinfo/foo-list
> 

[ snip ]

> Which FM?  This is really an Apache question.  See the docs for the
> rewrite engine:
>   http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html
> 
> The biggest gotcha is that you have to do "RewriteEngine on" *for each
> virtual host* in your http.conf.

The real problem is that for  http:///mailman/listinfo/
both the "listinfo" and   are pseudo elements, ie
you can't cd to either one as they don't exist.

I was trying simple apache Alias directives,  and symlinks both
of which fail do to the fact that listinfo is not a file or directory.

Hadn't thought about rewrites...thanks, new avenue to explore.

Mike



From bob at nleaudio.com  Fri Oct 26 04:06:40 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:06:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail vs Postfix
References: 
Message-ID: <3BD8C530.F3830CC@nleaudio.com>

> I also decided on Sendmail because I want to host many domains with their 
> own "virtual" mail server ...  I don't know if PostFix will do this 
> ...  The recommendation to remove Postfix and install Sendmail came from 
> the book: Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators The Secret Decoder Ring 
> by Mark Minasi

That's because they never used Postfix.  I believe virtual domains are easier to configure with Postfix than Sendmail.  Try it out, you'll like it!  RPMs work great, too.

Bob



From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Oct 26 04:22:11 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:22:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Pierron  
   of "Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:46:18 EDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> 
Message-ID: <3076.1004062931@2wire.com>

On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:46:18 -0400 
David Pierron  wrote:

> I also decided on Sendmail because I want to host many domains
> with their own "virtual" mail server ...  I don't know if PostFix
> will do this ...  

Exim, Postfix and QMail all support virtual domains quite well.

> The recommendation to remove Postfix and install Sendmail came
> from the book: Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators The Secret
> Decoder Ring by Mark Minasi

I generally recommend new *nix users to use Exim.  Its secure, fast,
has a human readable config file (that you can easily understand
years later), excellent documentation, and a good security history.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From barry at zope.com  Fri Oct 26 06:01:08 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:01:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing footer for html mail?
References: <002b01c15d21$e1b56530$c37ba8c0@linus>
	<20011025101434.A2261@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <15320.57348.615989.429002@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GW" == Greg Ward  writes:

    GW> I used to think this was a Mailman problem too.  Read the HTML
    GW> email as plain text (so you see all the tags), and I bet
    GW> you'll see the footer.  The problem is that Mailman just tacks
    GW> the footer on after the "" that ends the message;
    GW> presumably your HTML-rendering MUA stops as soon as it sees
    GW> "" so never shows you the footer.

    GW> Solution: don't allow HTML mail!  That solves *so* many
    GW> problems.  Look for demime, stripmime, or similar tools.

(Hi Greg :)

BTW, Mailman 2.1 will be smarter here.  It'll only add headers and
footers to text/plain or multipart/mixed message.  The the former case
it'll just tack on some more plain text.  In the latter case, it'll
add a couple of extra subparts.

Currently, if the message is of any other MIME type, no header or
footer will be added.  We /could/ conceivably wrap things in more
multiparts, but that just seems really ugly.

-Barry



From paul at cluefactory.org.uk  Fri Oct 26 11:51:26 2001
From: paul at cluefactory.org.uk (Paul Crowley)
Date: 26 Oct 2001 10:51:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: Posting to the list from the Web pages
In-Reply-To: "Bob Puff@NLE"'s message of "Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:06:40 -0400"
Message-ID: <871yjq3f1d.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>

Could it become possible for users authenticated with a cookie to post
to the mailing list using some sort of Web-based interface, with a CGI
script generating the actual mail?

With this done, could Pipermail be enhanced so you can "follow up" a
message in the archives using a Web-based interface?

I'm currently participating in a discussion hosted by Boardhost
(http://www.boardhost.com), but their site is flaky and advertising
extremely obnoxious.  I'd like to move to a proper mailing list, but
some people have to have an entirely Web-based interface.

Thoughts?
-- 
  __  Paul Crowley
\/ o\ sig at paul.cluefactory.org.uk
/\__/ http://www.cluefactory.org.uk/paul/
"Conservation of angular momentum makes the world go around" - John Clark



From PBoshoff at mweb.com  Fri Oct 26 11:55:03 2001
From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:55:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin page not loading
Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB903402D8AFC8@za14nt02.mweb.com>

Hi,

I would like to now if there is some one out there that can assist with the
problem that I am having with Mailman.

I have 50 lists running of one Redhat server using Exim as the MTA, all my
list admin pages display just fine, except for one.
The page did load in the beginning but now it sometimes loads but it is very
slow or it never loads the admin page.

This is a simple problem to solve if all the list does not load, but how do
I track a single list?

thanks

> Pieter Boshoff
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
>  unix sys admin
> Tel: +27 11 340 7256
> Fax: +27 11 340 7288
> Cell: +27 83 600 4095
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
> M-WEB Business Solutions
> Making it happen.
> 
> Go shopping @ http://shopping.mweb.co.za 
> Get your business online @ http://business.mweb.com  
> 
> 



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Oct 26 12:17:10 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:17:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: Posting to the list from the Web pages 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Crowley  
   of "26 Oct 2001 10:51:26 BST." <871yjq3f1d.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk> 
References: <871yjq3f1d.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk> 
Message-ID: <21236.1004091430@kanga.nu>

On 26 Oct 2001 10:51:26 +0100 
Paul Crowley  wrote:

> Could it become possible for users authenticated with a cookie to
> post to the mailing list using some sort of Web-based interface,
> with a CGI script generating the actual mail?

This is what I've done at Kanga.Nu using PHP and MHonArc atop
Mailman.  See the list archives here (or -developers) to get the
various RCs and how to install.

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From denis at imsltd.com  Fri Oct 26 12:27:13 2001
From: denis at imsltd.com (Denis Croombs)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:27:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hide setting
Message-ID: <001301c15e08$c768d490$b41bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com>

Hi All

How do I set the default for new users to hide ?

Many Thanks

Denis Croombs



From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 26 12:38:43 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:38:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: Posting to the list from the Web pages
References: <871yjq3f1d.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>
Message-ID: <02a001c15e0a$62979630$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Hummm, change the archive html so that when you click on an added button on
the page, the message and TO field and SUBJECT field of the message get
posted to a form and the information fed into a standard html Mail-form on
another page (another CGI).  Then you edit and add text to your hearts
content, and click on send when you are done.

Go for it!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Crowley" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:51 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: Posting to the list from the Web pages


> Could it become possible for users authenticated with a cookie to post
> to the mailing list using some sort of Web-based interface, with a CGI
> script generating the actual mail?
>
> With this done, could Pipermail be enhanced so you can "follow up" a
> message in the archives using a Web-based interface?
>
> I'm currently participating in a discussion hosted by Boardhost
> (http://www.boardhost.com), but their site is flaky and advertising
> extremely obnoxious.  I'd like to move to a proper mailing list, but
> some people have to have an entirely Web-based interface.
>
> Thoughts?
> --
>   __  Paul Crowley
> \/ o\ sig at paul.cluefactory.org.uk
> /\__/ http://www.cluefactory.org.uk/paul/
> "Conservation of angular momentum makes the world go around" - John Clark
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Oct 26 12:42:39 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:42:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin page not loading
References: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB903402D8AFC8@za14nt02.mweb.com>
Message-ID: <02aa01c15e0a$ef5dcb70$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Have your checked the lock files in ~mailman/locks/... ?  Delete any
spurious lock files with inactive processes (the process id is part of the
lock file name).  If there is nothing happening on that list, you can safely
delete any lock files for it.

If that fixes it, then look at the admins that use that list - Are they
using an experimental or temperamental browser?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pieter Boshoff" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:55 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin page not loading


> Hi,
>
> I would like to now if there is some one out there that can assist with
the
> problem that I am having with Mailman.
>
> I have 50 lists running of one Redhat server using Exim as the MTA, all my
> list admin pages display just fine, except for one.
> The page did load in the beginning but now it sometimes loads but it is
very
> slow or it never loads the admin page.
>
> This is a simple problem to solve if all the list does not load, but how
do
> I track a single list?
>
> thanks
>
> > Pieter Boshoff
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------------------------------
> >  unix sys admin
> > Tel: +27 11 340 7256
> > Fax: +27 11 340 7288
> > Cell: +27 83 600 4095
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------------------------------
> > M-WEB Business Solutions
> > Making it happen.
> >
> > Go shopping @ http://shopping.mweb.co.za
> > Get your business online @ http://business.mweb.com
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Fri Oct 26 15:35:55 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:35:55 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domains are easy to do ?
Message-ID: <01102613355504.06465@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

I was wondering why we had discuss the problem, that mailman
doesn't support multiple domains ?

In the general options exists the host_name field.
If I changed the domain this takes effect immediately.
In the moment I don't have configured my MTA right, but I will
do some test on a test-machine and I'am sure that it will work,
If I change the default_hostname to a local maildomain 
(which have no DNS-Record).

Or I'am missing something ?


- oliver  



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 14:07:24 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:07:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Archive Feature?
In-Reply-To: <3BD86DEC.30206@geneseo.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011004102347.031e53c8@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20011022120200.025ae6a0@pop.ftel.co.uk>
 <3BD86524.8060406@geneseo.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011026101154.033d6210@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Apologies to other subscribers for these lengthy exchanges over what I 
assume is a peripheral topic for most Mailman users. Mark, I suggest we 
take the this off list unless you object.

Mark

At 15:54 25/10/2001 -0400, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>Richard,
>
>In patch #44484,
>
>to sym-link to "../private/conf_name" instead of mlist.archive_dir joined 
>with 'archives/htdig', should
>HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = '../archives/htdig"?

Unfortunately I do not think we can adopt this suggestion as it stands. If 
you check the patch in more detail you will see that it adds the following 
fragment of code inside a function called setup_htdig at line 258 in the 
file Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py:

         # we need a symlink so that htdig will be able to find the config file
         conf_file_link = os.path.join(mm_cfg.HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR, conf_name)
         # if this link is left over from a previous list with the same name
         # (unlikely I know) we'll whack it first and recreate
         if os.path.exists(conf_file_link) and os.path.islink(conf_file_link):
             os.unlink(conf_file_link)
         os.symlink(conf_file, conf_file_link)

As there are no guarantees as to the pwd when the script executes, the 
python variable HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR's value has to be an absolute path in 
the filesystem for this code to be reliable. When I next update the patch 
I'll be explict in saying the value assigned to HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR should 
be a full filesystem path as seen from the machine running the Mailman 
code. You might notice if you looked in your Mailman build directory after 
applying the patch that Mailman/Defaults.py says:

     HTDIG_CONF_LINK_DIR = os.path.join(PREFIX, 'archives/htdig')

When you run make install PREFIX is translated to the full path to the 
Mailman installation directory. In other words this python variable is 
automatically set to the correct value by the installation process which is 
why setting some other value to it is not discussed in the additions to the 
INSTALL document made by the patch. If you are going to override what is in 
Defaults.py in mm_cfg.py then you must put a full path as the value, not a 
relative path as you have apparently done. I'll look at adding a extra note 
to that effect to the patch for the INSTALL file.

>That would take care of my one problem with two different machines both 
>with mailman installed.
>
>Also, I noticed you released a new patch the day before yesterday.   It 
>appears to create a new, separate dir for what it does.  What exactly does 
>it add/change/do?

I'm unaware of the new, separate dir you are referring to. When I diff the 
original patch htdig-2.0.6.path and the revised htdig-2.0.6-0.2.patch and 
omit the differences resulting from top level directory names and 
modification dates of files I find only two changes:

1. in Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py: this is an entirely cosmetic patch:

210c210
< +                    lastrun = time.asctime(last_rundig)
---
 > +                    lastrun = time.strftime("%A, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %Z", 
last_rundig)

2. in cron/nightly_htdig: this corrects a bug but one which can only 
manifest in particular circumstances when a list's archive is first being 
indexed.

645a646
 > +        archive = HyperArch.HyperArchive(mlist)
648d648
< +            archive = HyperArch.HyperArchive(mlist)

Come back to me if you think I'm in error here.

>Mark T. Valites wrote:
>
>>Richard, I got a good one for you...
>>
>>Below in this email, you mentioned that you could get the patches to work 
>>if they ran on a different machine that the one that the actual archives

That's reading rather more into what my patch added to the INSTALL document 
than I really intended. After patching it said:

           You must have htdig installed and it must be able to access
           $prefix/archives directly i.e. either htdig must be running
           on the same machine as Mailman or it must be able to reach
           the archives via NFS.

You, not entirely unreasonably, have read that to imply that the patch was 
intended to support htdig running on a machine other than the machine 
delivering the web interface for Mailman.

While I had hoped at one point during development of the integration to 
achieve this, I found there were problems associated retaining privacy when 
providing searched access to private list archives. The problem is in fact 
the same for providing access to private list archives when the htdig 
integration is not patched in. While solving that I stopped considering the 
type of solution you want to adopt - described below.

Anyway, the upshot is that I didn't make full provision for having htdig 
run on a different machine, either for building indexes or for doing index 
searches. I think its going to take more than adjusting some of the Mailman 
configuration variables to produce a full solution.

It looks from our weather forecast that its going to be a wet weekend so 
I'll see if I can come up with a patch to provide a complete solution over 
the weekend. I'll email you when I have posted a patch for this.

Richard


>>lived on.  Unfortuneatly, I think I may have to go there... Htdig does 
>>not compile under gcc-3.0.X, and it is difficult to get going under 
>>solaris 8 from what I have read and been replied to on the htdig mailing 
>>list. So, I have my ultra 5 desktop set up so that it exports the whole 
>>mailman dir to a linux box at the far end of the room.  The linux box has 
>>a successfull build of htdig, and another mailman test site(with 
>>searchable archives working!).  I mounted the mailman export from the 
>>ultra 5 into /mnt/ultra on the linux box.  From there, I added the stuff 
>>to mm_cfg.py on the sun (/mnt/ultra/Mailman/mm_cfg.py on the linux box):
>>
>>HTDIG_MAILMAN_DIR = 'htdig-ultra'
>>HTRUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/local/htdig/bin/rundig' # (on the linux box)
>>USE_HTDIG = 1,
>>after previously creating a symlink on the linux box from 
>>/mnt/ultra/archives/htdig to /usr/local/htdig/conf/htdig-ultra (on the 
>>linux box)
>>
>>The main archives webpage on the sun picks up the patches, and displays 
>>the search box, like it should.  However, after I enter a query, I get an 
>>error saying:
>>
>>requested URL /cgi-bin/htsearch was not found on the server.
>>I figure this comes from the fact htdig never was installed on the sun, 
>>and that this was getting picked up from the linux box install of htdig.
>>
>>In addition, the link that gets created from the nightly_htdig cron job 
>>(I think it comes from there, I could very well be wrong) points to
>>/home/mailman/archives/private/listname/htdig/listname.conf.  Problem is, 
>>on the linux box, that directory is not correct, and it points to the 
>>local mailman install. To correct this, I think that link should instead 
>>point to ../private/listname/htdig/listname.conf
>>
>>Granted, that will only take care of one of my problems.  (How)/can I get 
>>the query to perform correctly on the sun machine with no htdig 
>>installed? or did I read too much into what you said?
>>
>>
>>
>>Richard Barrett wrote:
>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>At 14:56 19/10/2001 -0400, Mark T. Valites wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've been looking at implementing these two patches into a new mailman 
>>>>install I am doing here.  The documentation seems to be missing though. 
>>>>I'm able to patch the mailman source, but what to do after that I'm a 
>>>>bit lost as for what to do.  While this isn't a mailing list for these 
>>>>pathces, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience installing 
>>>>these patchs, ideas of where I can find more info on them, and maybe if 
>>>>anyone knows if they can be added to an existing mailman install after 
>>>>it has already been implemented and used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read the INSTALL file in $build/INSTALL which is patched by the patches. 
>>>It should now contain the following text:
>>>
>>>         - Setting up Mailman list archive search using
>>>           Mailman-htdig (http://www.htdig.org) integration
>>>
>>>           You must have htdig installed and it must be able to access
>>>           $prefix/archives directly i.e. either htdig must be running
>>>           on the same machine as Mailman or it must be able to reach
>>>           the archives via NFS.
>>>
>>>           Next, establish where htdig expects to find its configuration
>>>           files. For instance with my copy of Redhat 6.2 Secure Web 
>>> Server rpms
>>>           this is /etc. With Suse Linux 6.4 rpms this is 
>>> /opt/www/htdig/conf.
>>>           Create a symbolic link in this directory to 
>>> $prefix/archives/htdig.
>>>
>>>           For instance:
>>>
>>>               ln -s /home/mailman/archives/htdig /etc/htdig-mailman
>>>
>>>           You need to set up the following Mailman configuration parameters
>>>           in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
>>>
>>>           HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK - string variable. Set this to the name of the
>>>           symlink you just created. For instance:
>>>
>>>               HTDIG_MAILMAN_LINK = 'htdig-mailman'
>>>
>>>           HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH - string variable. The path to the script which
>>>           runs to build htdig search indices. For example:
>>>
>>>               HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig'
>>>
>>>           USE_HTDIG = 1 - python truth value activates Mailman use of htdig
>>>
>>>       Lists with archives will be searchable via the list's TOC page from
>>>       now on.
>>>
>>>       Notes:
>>>
>>>       1. By default, rundig is run for each archived list every day (if
>>>          new posts to the list have been archived since rundig was last
>>>          run) by cron executing the script $prefix/cron/nightly_htdig.
>>>          Change Mailman's crontab entries if you want to change this
>>>          interval.
>>>
>>>       2. Until a list has some archived postings and nightly_htdig has
>>>          been run once, then search's of a list's archive will fail with
>>>          a complaint about missing db files. To overcome this, post a
>>>          message to the list and run nightly_htdig by hand from the
>>>          command line under the mailman UID.
>>>
>>>If you need any further info, please contact me. Best of luck
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>>Richard Barrett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The following patches integrate the htdig (http://www.htdig.org/) 
>>>>>search engine with Mailman.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103
>>>>>
>>>>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 09:52 03/10/2001 -0400, The Berean wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for the answers to my previous question, they were very much
>>>>>>appreciated.  I just have one more:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does Mailman provide a feature for searching archives?  I know it can 
>>>>>>list
>>>>>>and store archives, but I havent seen anything about searching them.  If
>>>>>>not, would a CGI search script do the job?  If it can, what would be the
>>>>>>best CGI script to use?  I have an Entropy search script preinstalled 
>>>>>>on my
>>>>>>server, but it's designed to searc my entire website, not strictly the
>>>>>>archives.  I noticed Python.org has a feature for searching the 
>>>>>>archives by
>>>>>>Inktomi, but that looks like its going to cost a couple of amputations.
>>>>>>Thanks for any help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank Pagano (The Berean)
>>>>>>Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org)
>>>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>E-mail: Berean at C-Squad.org
>>>>>>Personal Fax Number: (630) 214-9076
>>>>>>ICQ#: 98723297
>>>>>>AOL Screen Name: Berean333
>>>>>>Yahoo! Messenger ID: tseh_dek
>>>>>>******************************************
>>>>>>"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a
>>>>>>little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>>>>>>--Benjamin Franklin, 1759
>>>>>>
>>>>>>---
>>>>>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>>>>>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>>>>>>Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/01
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Mark T. Valites
>>>>Unix Systems Analyst
>>>>124b South Hall
>>>>SUNY Geneseo
>>>>Geneseo, NY 14454
>>>>(716) 245-5577
>>>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Mark T. Valites
>Unix Systems Analyst
>124b South Hall
>SUNY Geneseo
>Geneseo, NY 14454
>(716) 245-5577
>
>




From paul at cluefactory.org.uk  Fri Oct 26 14:15:49 2001
From: paul at cluefactory.org.uk (Paul Crowley)
Date: 26 Oct 2001 13:15:49 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: Posting to the list from the Web pages
In-Reply-To: J C Lawrence's message of "Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:17:10 -0700"
References: <871yjq3f1d.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk> <21236.1004091430@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <87n12e1tsa.fsf@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>

J C Lawrence  writes:
> > Could it become possible for users authenticated with a cookie to
> > post to the mailing list using some sort of Web-based interface,
> > with a CGI script generating the actual mail?
> 
> This is what I've done at Kanga.Nu using PHP and MHonArc atop
> Mailman.  See the list archives here (or -developers) to get the
> various RCs and how to install.
> 
>   http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

Looks like just what I'm looking for.  Could you send me some more
specific pointers on where to find the necessary sources for your
site-specific stuff?  Any guesses what versions of MHonArc, PHP would
be needed?

I guess it's finally time for me to learn PHP...
-- 
  __  Paul Crowley
\/ o\ sig at paul.cluefactory.org.uk
/\__/ http://www.cluefactory.org.uk/paul/
"Conservation of angular momentum makes the world go around" - John Clark



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 14:31:29 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:31:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shortening URLS
In-Reply-To: <20011025193946.A5831@austin.ibm.com>
References: <20011025142427.A3440@austin.ibm.com> <20011025181502.C1320@mems-exchange.org> <20011025193946.A5831@austin.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20011026083129.A660@mems-exchange.org>

On 25 October 2001, Michael H Moran said:
> The real problem is that for  http:///mailman/listinfo/
> both the "listinfo" and   are pseudo elements, ie
> you can't cd to either one as they don't exist.
> 
> I was trying simple apache Alias directives,  and symlinks both
> of which fail do to the fact that listinfo is not a file or directory.

Bingo.  Don't fall into the trap of thinking that URL-space always
traverses file-space.  That's a common, easy, and intuitive way to set
up a (static) web site.  But it's not the only way.

The Alias directive only works for mapping URLs to filenames; symlinks
only map filenames to filenames.

> Hadn't thought about rewrites...thanks, new avenue to explore.

mod_rewrite lets you map any URL on your site to any other URL (on your
site or not).  It's a great tool.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
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From klowther at cisnet.com  Fri Oct 26 14:43:00 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems getting Mailman set-up
In-Reply-To: <00e801c15d42$f5f67900$b41bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com>
References: <00e801c15d42$f5f67900$b41bcac2@denisy2k.imsltd.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thursday 25 October 2001 06:51 am, Denis Croombs wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have RedHat 7.1 & Mailman 2.0.6 It installed OK and have followed the
> manual from www.list.org/install-final.html but my APACHE will not accept
> the line
> Exec /mailman/* /home/mailman/cgi-bin/*
>
> giving a systax error, bad command !
>
> Any idea what I am doing wrong ?
>

Just went through this.  
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
assuming /home/mailman is where you installed mailman.

Ken



From Berean at C-Squad.org  Fri Oct 26 16:01:31 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:01:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome message take while to go out
Message-ID: 

It takes some of my members days before they get a welcome message.  Is this
considered normal?  Does mailman have some kind setting where it sends out
welcome messages at intervals instead of all at once?

Frank Pagano (The Berean)
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From camel at lrllamas.com  Fri Oct 26 16:11:30 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:11:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix question
Message-ID: <200110261411.f9QEBU213294@camel.lrllamas.com>

Anyone have a sure-fire method for replacing sendmail with postfix??
(or know where the HowTo or Docs are...)
Thanx
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From devdas at worldgatein.net  Fri Oct 26 16:25:16 2001
From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:55:16 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix question
In-Reply-To: <200110261411.f9QEBU213294@camel.lrllamas.com>; from camel@lrllamas.com on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 10:11:30AM -0400
References: <200110261411.f9QEBU213294@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <20011026195516.K26944@file.print.server>

On 26/10/01 10:11 -0400, Camel - Jay S. Curtis wrote:
> Anyone have a sure-fire method for replacing sendmail with postfix??
> (or know where the HowTo or Docs are...)

I rather recommend reading the INSTALL file that comes with postfix and
the FAQ.
http://www.postfix.org
Download postfix
Read the documentation.
run make as required, do not run make install

If you have two mail servers (or can setup one temporary spare machine).
Stop sendmail in daemon mode on the primary MX.
Set smarthost to point to the other machine
mailq -f
(This saves the trouble of manually saving the old sendmail binaries and
config file as mentioned in the INSTALL document, then periodically 
flushing the queue).

Once your queue is empty, uninstall sendmail (rpm -e sendmail or
whatever is suitable to your system).

Run make install.
/usr/sbin/postfix start

Thats all

Devdas Bhagat



From jhc at unt.edu.ar  Fri Oct 26 17:03:22 2001
From: jhc at unt.edu.ar (Julio Calvo)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:03:22 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail vs Postfix
References:  <3BD8C530.F3830CC@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <028901c15e2f$5acaab70$07a92dc8@unt.edu.ar>

I agree with Bob.
Every configuration is simpler with postfix.
All text files human-friendly

----- Original Message -----

> > I also decided on Sendmail because I want to host many domains with
their
> > own "virtual" mail server ...  I don't know if PostFix will do this
> > ...  The recommendation to remove Postfix and install Sendmail came from
> > the book: Linux for Windows NT/2000 Administrators The Secret Decoder
Ring
> > by Mark Minasi
>
> That's because they never used Postfix.  I believe virtual domains are
easier to configure with Postfix than Sendmail.  Try it out, you'll like it!
RPMs work great, too.
>
> Bob





From jkenton at iastate.edu  Fri Oct 26 17:48:54 2001
From: jkenton at iastate.edu (Jeffrey M. Kenton)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up / Restoring / Recovery Questions
Message-ID: 

Hey everyone.

I have Mailman 2.0.6 running, and things are going well with it. The 
server that I originally put Mailman on is underpowered to do the 
other things it is also doing, so I want to move mailman to another 
server. Now, to prevent having to reinvent the wheel for the 30+ 
lists I now administer, I have several questions (standing caveats: I 
have read the documentation and tried running some of the scripts in 
the bin directory, I just want to know if I am overlooking something 
obvious):

1. Is there a way to backup the list information, including addresses 
and list configurations?

2. Is there a way to restore the configuration (list members, list 
setups etc.)?

If it is as easy as tar'ing the /home/mailman directory and 
extracting it onto another machine, that is the easiest. However, it 
seems that since I had to compile some code, that solution seems to 
not be the best one in this case.

Perhaps I have missed the Mailman Admin Guide somewhere?

Take care.

Jeff
-- 
____________________________________________________________
Jeff Kenton                College of Education Tech Support
N058A Lagomarcino                        jkenton at iastate.edu
Ames, IA 50011                                  515 294 0228

    "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier



From sandra at ccuec.unicamp.br  Fri Oct 26 20:10:26 2001
From: sandra at ccuec.unicamp.br (Sandra)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:10:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail to list in loop
Message-ID: <3BD9A712.44DDF6D@ccuec.unicamp.br>

Hello,

    We had a problem yesterday with a mail in a list from Mailman that
was in loop.  The message was sent during all the day until we could see
what was wrong. I had to stop
the postfix system, and I was trying to remove the message from deferred
and other queues,
because I was planing to start it again and then the message could have
desappeared.
   But for my suprise the message was being put in maildrop queue even
with the postfix
stopped. Then I saw that the owner of the message was mmm (the user that
starts apache).
Then I killed httpd and the message was not created any more.
   Please, does Anyone has any clue about it?  Which is the
relationsheep about httpd and Mailman?
 And about loop messages?I was looking at mailman-archives, and there
are some people who had this problem in the past.

Thanks a lot - Sandra






From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Oct 26 19:43:36 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:43:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: Posting to the list from the Web pages 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Crowley  
   of "26 Oct 2001 13:15:49 BST." <87n12e1tsa.fsf@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk> 
References: <871yjq3f1d.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk> <21236.1004091430@kanga.nu>  <87n12e1tsa.fsf@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk> 
Message-ID: <26589.1004118216@kanga.nu>

On 26 Oct 2001 13:15:49 +0100 
Paul Crowley  wrote:
> J C Lawrence  writes:

>> This is what I've done at Kanga.Nu using PHP and MHonArc atop
>> Mailman.  See the list archives here (or -developers) to get the
>> various RCs and how to install.
>> 
>> http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

> Looks like just what I'm looking for.  Could you send me some more
> specific pointers on where to find the necessary sources for your
> site-specific stuff?  Any guesses what versions of MHonArc, PHP
> would be needed?

See:

  http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/mhonarc/2001-08/msg00020.html

Please search the list archives for the MHonArc list and the Mailman
lists for further details (I've a heavy deadline).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From paul at coxcentral.com  Fri Oct 26 20:16:17 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:16:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <01102510375101.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <01102510375101.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20011026131617.A5893@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Mandrake 8.1 should use "nobody" as the owner of apache, "mail" as the 

The owner of apache is 'apache' in Mandrake 8.1 (and 8.0).

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 16 hours 7 minutes.



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 20:24:38 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:24:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up / Restoring / Recovery Questions
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20011026142438.A2733@mems-exchange.org>

On 26 October 2001, Jeffrey M. Kenton said:
> 1. Is there a way to backup the list information, including addresses 
> and list configurations?
> 
> 2. Is there a way to restore the configuration (list members, list 
> setups etc.)?
> 
> If it is as easy as tar'ing the /home/mailman directory and 
> extracting it onto another machine, that is the easiest.

Yes, it's that easy.  Strictly speaking, all you *really* need to tar
and copy is ~mailman/archives and ~mailman/lists; everything else can be
reconstructed by reinstalling on the new host.  (Reinstalling will be
necessary for a different platform, or if the mail UID/GIDs are
different.  It would be a good idea if you're running an old Mailman on
the old server, or if you want to change Mailman's location.  Otherwise,
it's probably not necessary.)

Everything about foo-list *except* for its archive is in
~mailman/lists/foo-list; the archive is in one of
~mailman/archives/{public,private}/foo-list.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From paul at coxcentral.com  Fri Oct 26 20:27:57 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
Message-ID: <20011026132757.B5893@anne.coxcentral.com>

I'm that one that's done the last couple of Mandrake .rpm's for
Mandrake.  Let me help you out.


On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, David Pierron wrote:

> My first initial problem was with smrsh but overcame that with a symbolic 
> link ...

First question, is smrsh a sendmail thing?  What is it exactly?

> My problem is the age old:
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 12?)
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

The reason for this is easy.  Since Mandrake installs the Postfix MTA by
default (you have to go out of your way to use sendmail instead), that's
how the .rpm configures Mailman during the build.  Postfix delivers mail
as gid nobody (99), while sendmail delivers mail as gid 12 (mail).
Unfortnately, you can't build an .rpm for both ways.  Since Postfix is
the default (and recommended) MTA, that's the one I went with.

Now, even though Mailman is in the 'contribs' portion of Mandrake (read:
not supported), there is one possible solution to this.  I could make 2
seperate packages, say a mailman-postfix and a mailman-sendmail, and
make them conflict with each other so someone could only have 1
installed.  Then people could install the one that right for them.
How's that sound?

Of course, you could just rebuild from source on your own, but I find
.rpm's MUCH more convenient (IMHO).  Could you wait a bit so that I can
make a mailman-sendmail .rpm so you could test it?  I'd appreciate it.
Hope I clarified a few things here.

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 16 hours 12 minutes.



From paul at coxcentral.com  Fri Oct 26 20:28:54 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:28:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <3BD82D44.682468CD@auntminnie.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org> <3BD82D44.682468CD@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <20011026132854.C5893@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, Amanda wrote:

> RPMs under Drake, in my experience, are evile. I have gotten precisely one RPM for
> Mandrake 8 to install correctly on my system. Not using RPMs was the lesson I
> learned right after how to find downloaded files (imagine, webbing all these
> years, and the first thing I do in Mandrake is lose a download). The lesson I
> learned immediately after "don't trust RPMs" is how to tweak and compile stuff
> myself. :-)

Were these Mandrake .rpm's you had trouble with?  Or some you downloaded
somewhere else?

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 16 hours 21 minutes.



From paul at coxcentral.com  Fri Oct 26 20:30:44 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:30:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <20011025180757.B1320@mems-exchange.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025180757.B1320@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20011026133044.D5893@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, Greg Ward wrote:

> > So what I'm getting here is that I should start the Mailman installation 
> > all over again?
> 
> Yes.  It *sounds* like Mandrake's Mailman RPM is broken, so you'll have
> to build from source. 

Not broken, just built specifically for Postfix as that's the Mandrake
default.

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 16 hours 23 minutes.



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 20:35:04 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:35:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <20011026133044.D5893@anne.coxcentral.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025180757.B1320@mems-exchange.org> <20011026133044.D5893@anne.coxcentral.com>
Message-ID: <20011026143504.D2733@mems-exchange.org>

On 26 October 2001, Paul Cox said:
> On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, Greg Ward wrote:
> > Yes.  It *sounds* like Mandrake's Mailman RPM is broken, so you'll have
> > to build from source. 
> 
> Not broken, just built specifically for Postfix as that's the Mandrake
> default.

OK, that makes perfect sense.  Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for
inadvertently castering aspersions on your efforts.

Building a separate mailman-sendmail RPM sounds like the right solution
to me, but probably more trouble than it's worth...

        Greg



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 26 20:33:47 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:33:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up / Restoring / Recovery Questions
References:  <20011026142438.A2733@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3BD9AC8A.C293E58A@utopia.west.sun.com>


Greg Ward wrote:
> 
> On 26 October 2001, Jeffrey M. Kenton said:
> > 1. Is there a way to backup the list information, including addresses
> > and list configurations?
> >
> > 2. Is there a way to restore the configuration (list members, list
> > setups etc.)?
> >
> > If it is as easy as tar'ing the /home/mailman directory and
> > extracting it onto another machine, that is the easiest.
> 
> Yes, it's that easy.  Strictly speaking, all you *really* need to tar
> and copy is ~mailman/archives and ~mailman/lists; everything else can be
> reconstructed by reinstalling on the new host.  (Reinstalling will be
> necessary for a different platform, or if the mail UID/GIDs are
> different.  It would be a good idea if you're running an old Mailman on
> the old server, or if you want to change Mailman's location.  Otherwise,
> it's probably not necessary.)
> 
> Everything about foo-list *except* for its archive is in
> ~mailman/lists/foo-list; the archive is in one of
> ~mailman/archives/{public,private}/foo-list.

except for outstanding subscriptions and held messages, which live in
data/.



From paul at coxcentral.com  Fri Oct 26 20:43:12 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:43:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <20011026143504.D2733@mems-exchange.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025180757.B1320@mems-exchange.org> <20011026133044.D5893@anne.coxcentral.com> <20011026143504.D2733@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20011026134312.E5893@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Friday, Oct 26, 2001, Greg Ward wrote:

> > > Yes.  It *sounds* like Mandrake's Mailman RPM is broken, so you'll have
> > > to build from source. 
> > 
> > Not broken, just built specifically for Postfix as that's the Mandrake
> > default.
> 
> OK, that makes perfect sense.  Thanks for clarifying, and sorry for
> inadvertently castering aspersions on your efforts.
> 
> Building a separate mailman-sendmail RPM sounds like the right solution
> to me, but probably more trouble than it's worth...

*shrug*  Actually, it wouldn't be all that hard, just have to change the
mail gid in the configure script, and the rest should take care of
itself (in theory =) .  There are probably enough sendmail users to make
it worthwhile.  Maybe I'll look into a qmail specific one also.

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 16 hours 33 minutes.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Oct 26 20:45:01 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:45:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <20011026132757.B5893@anne.coxcentral.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011026132757.B5893@anne.coxcentral.com>
Message-ID: <01102614450101.01256@anncons.nc.rr.com>

If you could just name the rpm: mailman-using_postfix-2.xxx.rpm that would 
solve a lot of mysteries.  

IMO, you really don't need to make a sendmail based one, as long as users 
know to use postfix with the install.  For the typical user postfix is 
going to be easier.  Plus from the list discussions, it seems that folks 
perfer it about 4:1 (and that one is not always sendmail).

BTW: Mandrake rocks!  It's my favorite dist.

On Friday 26 October 2001 14:27, Paul Cox wrote:
> I'm that one that's done the last couple of Mandrake .rpm's for
> Mandrake.  Let me help you out.
>
> On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, David Pierron wrote:
> > My first initial problem was with smrsh but overcame that with a
> > symbolic link ...
>
> First question, is smrsh a sendmail thing?  What is it exactly?

Smrsh is used by Sendmail to specify exactly which scripts that Sendmail is 
allowed to run.  Sendmail will only run scripts that have a link in 
/etc/smrsh

Jon Carnes



From admin at mailhub.netstreme.com  Fri Oct 26 21:02:22 2001
From: admin at mailhub.netstreme.com (Eugene Allen)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Last Ditch Effort for fix.
Message-ID: <006501c15e50$be5ff980$f6ca37cf@eallenlap>

I'm running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and  Postfix 20010228.  I installed
Mailman from the FreeBSD ports collection.  So far the installation
whent ok.  I've created a new list and am able to configure it via the
web.

However, when I send a reply to the list I get this:

(Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
netlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 89, GOT gid
65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?) )

I've read the install instructions and have followed them to the letter
but still am getting this message.  I have also tried the
--with-mail-gid=89 AND --with-cgi-gid=89 to no avail.

Any suggestions?

 =====================================
Eugene Allen
Manager - Operations Improvement
Manager - DSL/ISDN/Gateway Product Support
phone: 214-583-6433
cell: 214-435-0984
epage: page_eallen at verio.net




From paul at coxcentral.com  Fri Oct 26 21:08:24 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:08:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Last Ditch Effort for fix.
In-Reply-To: <006501c15e50$be5ff980$f6ca37cf@eallenlap>
References: <006501c15e50$be5ff980$f6ca37cf@eallenlap>
Message-ID: <20011026140824.F5893@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Friday, Oct 26, 2001, Eugene Allen wrote:

> I'm running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and  Postfix 20010228.  I installed
> Mailman from the FreeBSD ports collection.  So far the installation
> whent ok.  I've created a new list and am able to configure it via the
> web.
> 
> However, when I send a reply to the list I get this:
> 
> (Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> netlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 89, GOT gid
> 65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?) )
> 
> I've read the install instructions and have followed them to the letter
> but still am getting this message.  I have also tried the
> --with-mail-gid=89 AND --with-cgi-gid=89 to no avail.

Don't know much about FreeBSD, but the error message is telling you that
it GOT gid 65534... which means that's how your MTA is doing your mail.
In other words, you should run the mailman ./configure script with
--with-mail-gid=65534 and not the other way around. =)  Hope that helps.

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 16 hours 59 minutes.



From linux at wombatsweb.com  Fri Oct 26 21:13:18 2001
From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:13:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <20011026132757.B5893@anne.coxcentral.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011026150603.0ac14930@mail.wombatsweb.com>

At 01:27 PM 10/26/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm that one that's done the last couple of Mandrake .rpm's for
>Mandrake.  Let me help you out.

Speaking as a newbie .. Thank you ...

>On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, David Pierron wrote:
>
> > My first initial problem was with smrsh but overcame that with a symbolic
> > link ...
>
>First question, is smrsh a sendmail thing?  What is it exactly?

Yeah, it's a sendmail thing ...  creating a sym link to it from wrapper 
fixes it ...

> > My problem is the age old:
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 12. (Reconfigure to take 
> 12?)
> > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
>The reason for this is easy.  Since Mandrake installs the Postfix MTA by
>default (you have to go out of your way to use sendmail instead), that's
>how the .rpm configures Mailman during the build.  Postfix delivers mail
>as gid nobody (99), while sendmail delivers mail as gid 12 (mail).
>Unfortnately, you can't build an .rpm for both ways.  Since Postfix is
>the default (and recommended) MTA, that's the one I went with.
>
>Now, even though Mailman is in the 'contribs' portion of Mandrake (read:
>not supported), there is one possible solution to this.  I could make 2
>seperate packages, say a mailman-postfix and a mailman-sendmail, and
>make them conflict with each other so someone could only have 1
>installed.  Then people could install the one that right for them.
>How's that sound?
>
>Of course, you could just rebuild from source on your own, but I find
>.rpm's MUCH more convenient (IMHO).  Could you wait a bit so that I can
>make a mailman-sendmail .rpm so you could test it?  I'd appreciate it.
>Hope I clarified a few things here.

Well .. I don't know about testing it unless I bring up another box cause I 
don't want to mess with what I've done ...  I re-installed the whole thing 
using all defaults because of the comments made on this list about Sendmail 
v. Postfix so I decided that I would try it as is and see if I meet 
limitations down the road ... I'm all MS now but learning Linux ...  The 
RPM for Mailman went in fine using a default Mandrake distro, so I'll leave 
it that way for now ... everything working fine ...  some tweaks to make 
though ...  I don't know how RPMs work, but it would be great if you could 
pass the default domain name and URL ... I still have one email address 
showing up with bi.mandrake.com ...

So anyway, after using Mandrake as it was designed, and finding out the 
difference between Cooker and no Cooker, the Mailman RPM went in without 
hitch and worked fine right out of the box ...  Thanks ...  Being a newb, I 
really appreciate it when things go as expected and easily ...




From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Fri Oct 26 21:56:36 2001
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:56:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db being set to 'root'
Message-ID: 

Hi.  I've had a long standing problem and now a new second problem 
with file permissions/group ownership.  Maybe connected?

1) Long standing problem - when I create a new list, I have to 
manually change the group permissions of the files in the 
/list/listname directory before the list would function.  If I don't 
do this, I get the "we've hit a bug" message in the browser when I 
try to access the list info.

2) New problem - I've created a new list for the first time in a few 
months, and set the file permissions just like other lists I have 
that work fine.  After getting everything set up and configured, I 
try and send messages through.   The first message comes through OK, 
but subsequent submissions are rejected by Postfix because the 
config.db permissions are wrong.  Sure enough, config.db group has 
been set to root.  The web pages aren't accessible anymore either. 
I've tried this many times over and it is very repeatable.  In fact, 
I've found that if I set ownership correctly, then send 2 or 3 
messages to the list quickly they all come through.  But if I wait a 
minute or so, invariably there is an error and the ownership is back 
at root.

What is causing this?

Rob



From leoso at usa.net  Fri Oct 26 22:14:51 2001
From: leoso at usa.net (Leo So)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:14:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing config.db using cron
Message-ID: <00e401c15e5a$dee34b30$4697640a@siebel.com>

Hi I want to (semi)randomly rotate the footer appended
to the mailman mails using cron. I guess the footer info
is stored as binary in config.db. What is the best way
to do it? Thanks!!

leo.
--
  Leo So 







From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Oct 26 22:20:09 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:20:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org> <3BD82D44.682468CD@auntminnie.com> <20011026132854.C5893@anne.coxcentral.com>
Message-ID: <3BD9C579.719300CD@auntminnie.com>

heehee - oh yeah, I tried to use a metric screwdriver on an English screw...

But seriously - a valid question, if'n you dunno how fussy I tend to be, and missed the
part where I said "RPM for Mandrake 8". They were 'drake rpm's. They was no worky. Along
with a host of other things I've had to bludgeon into submission. I've been singularly
unimpressed with Mandrake so far. That machine is now a "toy" that lives under my desk
::taps case lovingly with foot:: and we're using RH 7.1 on the production server. BTW,
we're having much less trouble with that RH box in general than we're having with this
one. ::Shrug::

=)
Amanda


Paul Cox wrote:

> On Thursday, Oct 25, 2001, Amanda wrote:
>
> > RPMs under Drake, in my experience, are evile. I have gotten precisely one RPM for
> > Mandrake 8 to install correctly on my system. Not using RPMs was the lesson I
> > learned right after how to find downloaded files (imagine, webbing all these
> > years, and the first thing I do in Mandrake is lose a download). The lesson I
> > learned immediately after "don't trust RPMs" is how to tweak and compile stuff
> > myself. :-)
>
> Were these Mandrake .rpm's you had trouble with?  Or some you downloaded
> somewhere else?
>
> --
> Paul Cox 
> Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 16 hours 21 minutes.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Fri Oct 26 22:49:05 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:49:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db being set to 'root'
In-Reply-To:  from "Rob Brandt" at Oct 26, 2001 12:56:36 PM
Message-ID: <200110262049.OAA23843@mail.commercedata.com>

I've had this same problem for quite a while on some of my lists.  It 
drives me bonkers.

Dave Klingler

> Hi.  I've had a long standing problem and now a new second problem 
> with file permissions/group ownership.  Maybe connected?
> 
> 1) Long standing problem - when I create a new list, I have to 
> manually change the group permissions of the files in the 
> /list/listname directory before the list would function.  If I don't 
> do this, I get the "we've hit a bug" message in the browser when I 
> try to access the list info.
> 
> 2) New problem - I've created a new list for the first time in a few 
> months, and set the file permissions just like other lists I have 
> that work fine.  After getting everything set up and configured, I 
> try and send messages through.   The first message comes through OK, 
> but subsequent submissions are rejected by Postfix because the 
> config.db permissions are wrong.  Sure enough, config.db group has 
> been set to root.  The web pages aren't accessible anymore either. 
> I've tried this many times over and it is very repeatable.  In fact, 
> I've found that if I set ownership correctly, then send 2 or 3 
> messages to the list quickly they all come through.  But if I wait a 
> minute or so, invariably there is an error and the ownership is back 
> at root.
> 
> What is causing this?
> 
> Rob
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Oct 26 23:19:14 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:19:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db being set to 'root'
Message-ID: <200110262118.OAA13864@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

The directories have to be set with g+s, and your OS has to
respect that (i.e. new files created in such directories
need to inherit the group ownership of the parent dir).
I suspect that those of you having problems are either
missing a g+s bit somewhere or have an OS that doesn't
implement this semantic.

> I've had this same problem for quite a while on some of my lists.  It 
> drives me bonkers.
> 
> Dave Klingler
> 
> > Hi.  I've had a long standing problem and now a new second problem 
> > with file permissions/group ownership.  Maybe connected?
> > 
> > 1) Long standing problem - when I create a new list, I have to 
> > manually change the group permissions of the files in the 
> > /list/listname directory before the list would function.  If I don't 
> > do this, I get the "we've hit a bug" message in the browser when I 
> > try to access the list info.
> > 
> > 2) New problem - I've created a new list for the first time in a few 
> > months, and set the file permissions just like other lists I have 
> > that work fine.  After getting everything set up and configured, I 
> > try and send messages through.   The first message comes through OK, 
> > but subsequent submissions are rejected by Postfix because the 
> > config.db permissions are wrong.  Sure enough, config.db group has 
> > been set to root.  The web pages aren't accessible anymore either. 
> > I've tried this many times over and it is very repeatable.  In fact, 
> > I've found that if I set ownership correctly, then send 2 or 3 
> > messages to the list quickly they all come through.  But if I wait a 
> > minute or so, invariably there is an error and the ownership is back 
> > at root.
> > 
> > What is causing this?
> > 
> > Rob
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 23:19:03 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:19:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db being set to 'root'
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20011026171903.B4038@mems-exchange.org>

On 26 October 2001, Rob Brandt said:
> 2) New problem - I've created a new list for the first time in a few 
> months, and set the file permissions just like other lists I have 
> that work fine.  After getting everything set up and configured, I 
> try and send messages through.   The first message comes through OK, 
> but subsequent submissions are rejected by Postfix because the 
> config.db permissions are wrong.  Sure enough, config.db group has 
> been set to root.  The web pages aren't accessible anymore either. 
> I've tried this many times over and it is very repeatable.  In fact, 
> I've found that if I set ownership correctly, then send 2 or 3 
> messages to the list quickly they all come through.  But if I wait a 
> minute or so, invariably there is an error and the ownership is back
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> at root.

Hmmm: could it be that qrunner is changing the permissions?  Whose
crontab are you running qrunner from?  Try commenting it out of your
crontab, send a message, poke around ~mailman, run qrunner manually
(just like would be done from cron), and then poke around ~mailman
again.

Any help?

        Greg



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Oct 26 23:20:14 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:20:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing config.db using cron
In-Reply-To: <00e401c15e5a$dee34b30$4697640a@siebel.com>
References: <00e401c15e5a$dee34b30$4697640a@siebel.com>
Message-ID: <20011026172014.C4038@mems-exchange.org>

On 26 October 2001, Leo So said:
> Hi I want to (semi)randomly rotate the footer appended
> to the mailman mails using cron. I guess the footer info
> is stored as binary in config.db. What is the best way
> to do it? Thanks!!

Use The Source, Luke.

Read enough Mailman source to understand the right way to access and
modify config.db.  Probably the scripts in ~mailman/bin are a good place
to start.  Then Write a Python script that changes the footer to
whatever you like.  Run that script periodically.

        Greg



From leanne at nacse.org  Sat Oct 27 00:13:58 2001
From: leanne at nacse.org (leanne lai)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual host
Message-ID: <200110262213.PAA06188@pancake.NACSE.ORG>

Does anyone know how to setup virtual host in mailman?

Changing the "Host name this list prefers" just solve part of the problem. The 
reply-to field still reflects the original host name

Thank u :-)




From paul at coxcentral.com  Sat Oct 27 00:14:50 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:14:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <3BD9C579.719300CD@auntminnie.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025042807.03f6db38@mail.wombatsweb.com> <20011025102457.C2261@mems-exchange.org> <3BD82D44.682468CD@auntminnie.com> <20011026132854.C5893@anne.coxcentral.com> <3BD9C579.719300CD@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <20011026171450.B8965@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Friday, Oct 26, 2001, Amanda wrote:

> But seriously - a valid question, if'n you dunno how fussy I tend to
> be, and missed the part where I said "RPM for Mandrake 8". They were
> 'drake rpm's. They was no worky. Along with a host of other things
> I've had to bludgeon into submission. I've been singularly unimpressed
> with Mandrake so far. That machine is now a "toy" that lives under my
> desk ::taps case lovingly with foot:: and we're using RH 7.1 on the
> production server. BTW, we're having much less trouble with that RH
> box in general than we're having with this one. ::Shrug::

Odd.  I can name countless numbers of people that have no problems (as
you probably already know).  I'm really curious as to what .rpm's you
were having problems with and the circumstances.  But we should probably
shutup about this on the list though. =)

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.8-30.1mdk  -  Uptime: 20 hours 5 minutes.



From bbridges at horizonhobby.com  Sat Oct 27 00:21:34 2001
From: bbridges at horizonhobby.com (Brooks Bridges)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages won't send
Message-ID: 

 
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Hash: SHA1

Hello all... Here's one for you to wrap your brain around.

I've installed Mailman, gotten it working via the web interface, and
all sends to "test" are getting into the queue.  Now, here's the fun
part... they don't go anywhere! (and PLEASE don't tell me to check
the crontab entries, I know they are there, I've literally checked 4
times, and it's in the cron logs as well)

I'm using Sendmail 8.11.0/8.8.7, on RedHat 7.0

I will paste copies of my logs from /home/mailman/logs/ below :

[root at il-redhatmail logs]# tail post
Oct 26 17:05:02 2001 (2274) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:06:01 2001 (2277) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:07:00 2001 (2279) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:08:00 2001 (2281) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:09:01 2001 (2283) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:10:02 2001 (2289) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:11:00 2001 (2292) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:12:00 2001 (2294) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:13:01 2001 (2296) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
Oct 26 17:14:01 2001 (2299) post to test from
root at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com, size=186, 3 failures
[root at il-redhatmail logs]# 


[root at il-redhatmail logs]# tail smtp
Oct 26 17:11:00 2001 (2292) All recipients refused: host not found
Oct 26 17:11:00 2001 (2292) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 0.020
seconds
Oct 26 17:12:00 2001 (2294) All recipients refused: host not found
Oct 26 17:12:00 2001 (2294) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 0.020
seconds
Oct 26 17:13:01 2001 (2296) All recipients refused: host not found
Oct 26 17:13:01 2001 (2296) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 0.020
seconds
Oct 26 17:14:01 2001 (2299) All recipients refused: host not found
Oct 26 17:14:01 2001 (2299) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 0.020
seconds
Oct 26 17:15:02 2001 (2308) All recipients refused: host not found
Oct 26 17:15:02 2001 (2308) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 0.178
seconds
[root at il-redhatmail logs]# 


[root at il-redhatmail logs]# tail smtp-failure
Oct 26 17:12:00 2001 (2294) -1 kkellytwo at home.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:13:01 2001 (2296) -1 bbridges at horizonhobby.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:13:01 2001 (2296) -1 kkelly at horizonhobby.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:13:01 2001 (2296) -1 kkellytwo at home.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:14:01 2001 (2299) -1 bbridges at horizonhobby.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:14:01 2001 (2299) -1 kkelly at horizonhobby.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:14:01 2001 (2299) -1 kkellytwo at home.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:15:02 2001 (2308) -1 bbridges at horizonhobby.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:15:02 2001 (2308) -1 kkelly at horizonhobby.com (ignore)
Oct 26 17:15:02 2001 (2308) -1 kkellytwo at home.com (ignore)
[root at il-redhatmail logs]# 


and "error" is empty.....

I'm lost, please help?

oh... and /var/log/maillog is here : 

[root at il-redhatmail log]# tail maillog
Oct 26 11:30:48 il-redhatmail sendmail[942]: /etc/aliases: 44
aliases, longest 45 bytes, 662 bytes total
Oct 26 11:30:49 il-redhatmail sendmail[957]: starting daemon
(8.11.0): SMTP+queueing at 00:05:00
Oct 26 11:34:40 il-redhatmail sendmail[973]: f9QGYeD00973: from=root,
size=94, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200110261634.f9QGYeD00973 at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com>,
relay=root at localhost
Oct 26 11:34:41 il-redhatmail sendmail[975]: f9QGYeD00973:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" ,
ctladdr=test at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30094, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Oct 26 16:47:33 il-redhatmail sendmail[2062]: f9QLlXC02062:
from=root, size=104, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200110262147.f9QLlXC02062 at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com>,
relay=root at localhost
Oct 26 16:47:34 il-redhatmail sendmail[2064]: f9QLlXC02062:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" ,
ctladdr=test at il-redhatmail.horizonhobby.com (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30104, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Oct 26 16:49:24 il-redhatmail sendmail[2144]: alias database
/etc/aliases rebuilt by root
Oct 26 16:49:24 il-redhatmail sendmail[2144]: /etc/aliases: 44
aliases, longest 45 bytes, 662 bytes total
Oct 26 16:49:25 il-redhatmail sendmail[2159]: starting daemon
(8.11.0): SMTP+queueing at 00:05:00
[root at il-redhatmail log]#


any help would be REALLY useful and appreciated!!!

Brooks R. Bridges
Network Administrator
Horizon Hobby Inc.
4105 Fieldstone Rd.
Champaign, IL 61822
Direct Phone: (217) 403-3252

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From leoso at usa.net  Sat Oct 27 00:23:45 2001
From: leoso at usa.net (Leo So)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:23:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing config.db using cron
References: <00e401c15e5a$dee34b30$4697640a@siebel.com> <20011026172014.C4038@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <001501c15e6c$e06c2ff0$4697640a@siebel.com>

Thanks Greg for the pointer. There is a command bin/config_list
which can get me started.

Thanks again,
leo.
--
  Leo So 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Ward" 
To: "Leo So" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing config.db using cron


> On 26 October 2001, Leo So said:
> > Hi I want to (semi)randomly rotate the footer appended
> > to the mailman mails using cron. I guess the footer info
> > is stored as binary in config.db. What is the best way
> > to do it? Thanks!!
> 
> Use The Source, Luke.
> 
> Read enough Mailman source to understand the right way to access and
> modify config.db.  Probably the scripts in ~mailman/bin are a good place
> to start.  Then Write a Python script that changes the footer to
> whatever you like.  Run that script periodically.
> 
>         Greg
> 
> 
> 




From barry at zope.com  Sat Oct 27 00:46:47 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:46:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist: Posting to the list from the Web pages
References: <871yjq3f1d.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>
Message-ID: <15321.59351.343224.254636@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "PC" == Paul Crowley  writes:

    PC> Could it become possible for users authenticated with a cookie
    PC> to post to the mailing list using some sort of Web-based
    PC> interface, with a CGI script generating the actual mail?

    PC> With this done, could Pipermail be enhanced so you can "follow
    PC> up" a message in the archives using a Web-based interface?

Contributions are defintely welcome! :)

-Barry



From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Sat Oct 27 00:47:21 2001
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:47:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db being set to 'root'
In-Reply-To: <200110262118.OAA13864@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200110262118.OAA13864@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: 

Problem 2) is solved!  The directory /lists/listname did not have 
setgid turned on.

Thanks
Rob


>The directories have to be set with g+s, and your OS has to
>respect that (i.e. new files created in such directories
>need to inherit the group ownership of the parent dir).
>I suspect that those of you having problems are either
>missing a g+s bit somewhere or have an OS that doesn't
>implement this semantic.
>
>>  I've had this same problem for quite a while on some of my lists.  It
>>  drives me bonkers.
>>
>>  Dave Klingler
>>
>>  > Hi.  I've had a long standing problem and now a new second problem
>>  > with file permissions/group ownership.  Maybe connected?
>>  >
>>  > 1) Long standing problem - when I create a new list, I have to
>>  > manually change the group permissions of the files in the
>>  > /list/listname directory before the list would function.  If I don't
>>  > do this, I get the "we've hit a bug" message in the browser when I
>>  > try to access the list info.
>>  >
>>  > 2) New problem - I've created a new list for the first time in a few
>>  > months, and set the file permissions just like other lists I have
>>  > that work fine.  After getting everything set up and configured, I
>>  > try and send messages through.   The first message comes through OK,
>>  > but subsequent submissions are rejected by Postfix because the
>>  > config.db permissions are wrong.  Sure enough, config.db group has
>>  > been set to root.  The web pages aren't accessible anymore either.
>>  > I've tried this many times over and it is very repeatable.  In fact,
>>  > I've found that if I set ownership correctly, then send 2 or 3
>>  > messages to the list quickly they all come through.  But if I wait a
>>  > minute or so, invariably there is an error and the ownership is back
>>  > at root.
>>  >
>>  > What is causing this?
>>  >
>>  > Rob
>>  >
>>  > ------------------------------------------------------
>>  > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>  > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>  >
>>
>>
>>  ------------------------------------------------------
>>  Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu  Sat Oct 27 01:02:21 2001
From: moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (Moacir)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:02:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and exim problem (relay trouble)
In-Reply-To: <20011024115048.A7012@zuikis.uchicago.edu>; from moacir@zuikis.uchicago.edu on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:50:48AM -0500
References: <20011022210222.A2610@zuikis.uchicago.edu> <20011024030556.A5996@zuikis.uchicago.edu> <00a401c15ca7$b13b6c80$0b04010a@JCARNES> <20011024115048.A7012@zuikis.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <20011026180221.A13632@zuikis.uchicago.edu>

I wrote re: qrunner not delivering on 24 October 01:

> Jon Carnes wrote on 24 October 01:
> 
> > In you ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py what is the value of your
> > Delivery defaults?
> 
> They aren't declared in mm_cfg.py, and the Defaults.py are, as I've been
> instructed, untouched.
> 
> I changed SMTPHOST to 'lithchat.com' and now it seems to be
> delivering--oops, except now I'm having relaying problems.

Now this is perplexing me, too, and I thought I'd ask here before I
moved on to the exim mailing list.

In my exim.conf, I have this:

local_domains = 192.168.0.6:127.0.0.1:lithchat.com

relay_domains = *.lithchat.com

Now, here is the error I get in ~mailman/logs/smtp-failure:

Oct 26 17:48:58 2001 (2789) delivery to tester-owner at lithchat.com failed with code 550: 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied. IP name lookup failed [192.168.0.6]

I've been getting this error forever, and cannot figure out why on earth
it simply refuses to relay for mailman *only*

ideas? I know I'm not the only person on this list who uses exim...

--m



From klowther at cisnet.com  Sat Oct 27 01:00:17 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:00:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
In-Reply-To: <3076.1004062931@2wire.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> <3076.1004062931@2wire.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thursday 25 October 2001 10:22 pm, J C Lawrence wrote:
>
>
> I generally recommend new *nix users to use Exim.  Its secure, fast,
> has a human readable config file (that you can easily understand
> years later), excellent documentation, and a good security history.

The rpm I installed comes with  a file eximconfig or something similar that I 
discovered while knocking around the directories.  Text based.  Asks the 
basic questions.  Then you can go study the config file to see where all your 
answers got put.

-- 
Ken Lowther
Youngstown, Oho
http:www.atmsite.org



From klowther at cisnet.com  Sat Oct 27 01:17:13 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:17:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html and archives
Message-ID: 

Is there an option for having the archived messages display in html if the 
original message is html?  I just went through an admin seciton and didn't 
see anything like that.

I'm trying to setup a list for amature telescope makers to do kind of a swap 
and shop.  I thought I could open up posting to public  and set the list to 
moderated. Then let people peruse the archives.  Would be nice if they could 
use html or include a jpeg.

-- 
Ken Lowther
Youngstown, Oho
http:www.atmsite.org



From nyden at hermes.ssd.loral.com  Sat Oct 27 01:50:03 2001
From: nyden at hermes.ssd.loral.com (William Nyden)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:50:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header options
Message-ID: <3BD9F6AB.F31073D1@hermes.ssd.loral.com>

I help administer a L-Soft ListServ list which is fast approaching the
500 subscriber limit for free licenses. While complex to maintain,
ListServ has some nice features which I haven't found on other list
software, including two that our subscribers have argued over:
subscriber control over the existance of a list-defined Reply-to header
line, and the option to not include the list ID string in the Subject
line.

Currently in mailman, these header lines are controlled list-wide by the
administrators, and can't be modified for individual users.
Are there any plans to make these options subscriber-controlled?

Also Mailman adds a handful of list-related lines to the header. Is
there a way to turn some of these additions off?

--
Bill Nyden
 37? 25' 15" N     122? 04' 57" W
======================================================
 William Nyden             |   CAD Systems Engineer
 Space Systems/Loral       |   nyden at ssd.loral.com
 3825 Fabian Way, Z-02     |   ph  (650) 852-4333
 Palo Alto, CA 94303 USA   |   fax (650) 852-5207

 "Why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction?
  Fiction after all, has to make sense."
     - Mark Twain

 http://sites.netscape.net/wanyden
 http://www.maturin.org/
 http://www.Calif-Sport-Divers.org/
 http://www.HMSSurprise.org/






From bob at nleaudio.com  Sat Oct 27 04:06:14 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:06:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist
References: 
Message-ID: <3BDA1696.171F2DA1@nleaudio.com>

Hi Paul,

I wouldn't worry about the RPMs for Mandrake (which I happen to think IS one of the best distros).  From what I recall, Amanda wasn't using Postfix, so all bets are off.  I believe she also was using Version 8.0, which was identified as "Not for production servers".

I've had very good success with all mdk RPMs, and I stick with version 7.1.

Bob



From claw at 2wire.com  Sat Oct 27 03:57:06 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:57:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ken  
   of "Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:00:17 EDT."  
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> <3076.1004062931@2wire.com>   
Message-ID: <2995.1004147826@2wire.com>

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:00:17 -0400 
klowther   wrote:
> On Thursday 25 October 2001 10:22 pm, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> I generally recommend new *nix users to use Exim.  Its secure,
>> fast, has a human readable config file (that you can easily
>> understand years later), excellent documentation, and a good
>> security history.

> The rpm I installed comes with a file eximconfig or something
> similar that I discovered while knocking around the directories.
> Text based.  Asks the basic questions.  Then you can go study the
> config file to see where all your answers got put.

eximconfig is the tool Debian uses to config Exim (Exim is the
default MTA under Debian).  A few other systems have started to use
it as well.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Sat Oct 27 05:40:46 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:40:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Old Question, New Twist 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ken  
   of "Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:00:17 EDT."  
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011025153755.00abd740@mail.wombatsweb.com> <3076.1004062931@2wire.com>   
Message-ID: <3969.1004154046@2wire.com>



From mogul-mailman at gelatinous.com  Fri Oct 26 02:17:04 2001
From: mogul-mailman at gelatinous.com (Bret Mogilefsky)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:17:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Analog to remove_members for nomail?
In-Reply-To: <019b01c15db0$bbd350e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>; from jonc@haht.com on Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:56:58PM -0400
References: <20011022142706.A2106@gelatinous.com> <019b01c15db0$bbd350e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20011025171704.A83852@gelatinous.com>

On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 07:56:58PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote:
> This is actually quite easy to do, but you will have to write your own
> scripts for it (or hire someone to do it for you), as this is not a function
> of Mailman.
> 
> Check out the command line scripts in ~mailman/bin/...
> 
> Run an hourly list of your active users out of /etc/passwd.  Compare the new
> list with last hours list.  If any folks are missing (or commented out),
> then use the Mailman command line scripts to look for what lists they belong
> to, and then remove them from those lists.
> 
> Easy to do.  Should take you two hours.

Actually, it only took me about fifteen minutes.  =) nomail_members is
attached.  I now use this in my SourceForge-based developer support site for
PlayStation2... When users' website access is suspended or deleted, I mark
them such on the website, and the PHP code sets them to nomail on all the
lists they belong to using find_member and nomail_members.  Similarly if
they're reactivated I run a nomail -r.  When suspended, they also lose
access to the mailman interface, and I catch admin requests... Works rather
nicely.  =)

Bret
-- 
Bret Mogilefsky * Mgr. SCEA Developer Support * mogul at gelatinous.com
-------------- next part --------------
#! /usr/bin/env python
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.
#
"""Turn off mail delivery for members in a list.

Usage:
    nomail_members [options] listname [addr1 ...]

Options:

    --file=file
    -f file
        Stop delivery to member addresses found in the given file.  If file is
        `-', read stdin.

    --all
    -a
        Stop delivery to all members of the mailing list.

    --reverse
    -r
        Reverse the effect of this command, i.e. ENABLE mail to the specified
        addresses.

    --help
    -h
        Print this help message and exit.

    listname is the name of the mailing list to use.

    addr1 ... are additional addresses to stop mailing.

"""

import sys
import string
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors
from Mailman import mm_cfg



def usage(status, msg=''):
    print __doc__ % globals()
    if msg:
        print msg
    sys.exit(status)


def ReadFile(filename):
    lines = []
    if filename == "-":
        fp = sys.stdin
    else:
        fp = open(filename)
    lines = filter(None, map(string.strip, fp.readlines()))
    fp.close()
    return lines



def main():
    try:
        opts, args = getopt.getopt(
            sys.argv[1:], 'raf:h', ['reverse', 'all', 'file=', 'help'])
    except getopt.error, msg:
        usage(1, msg)

    if not len(args) >= 1:
        usage(1)

    listname = string.lower(args[0])
    addresses = args[1:]
    filename = None
    all = 0
    disable = 1

    for opt, arg in opts:
        if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
            usage(0)
        elif opt in ('-f', '--file'):
            filename = arg
        elif opt in ('-a', '--all'):
            all = 1
        elif opt in ('-r', '--reverse'):
            disable = 0
                
    if filename:
        try:
            addresses = addresses + ReadFile(filename)
        except IOError:
            print 'Could not open file for reading: %s.  Ignoring...' % \
                  `filename`

    try:
        # open locked
        mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
    except Errors.MMListError, e:
        print 'No such list "%s"\n%s' % (listname, e)
        sys.exit(1)

    if all:
        addresses = mlist.GetMembers() + mlist.GetDigestMembers()

    try:
        for addr in addresses:
            try:
                mlist.SetUserOption(addr, mm_cfg.DisableDelivery, disable)
            except Errors.MMNoSuchUserError:
                print "User `%s' not found." % addr
    finally:
        # Hmm, should it be all or nothing?
        mlist.Save()
        mlist.Unlock()



if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()

From eallen at verio.net  Fri Oct 26 20:46:34 2001
From: eallen at verio.net (Eugene Allen)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:46:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Last Ditch Effort for fix.
Message-ID: <006101c15e4e$89180f80$f6ca37cf@eallenlap>

I'm running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and  Postfix 20010228.  I installed
Mailman from the FreeBSD ports collection.  So far the installation
whent ok.  I've created a new list and am able to configure it via the
web.

However, when I send a reply to the list I get this:

(Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
netlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 89, GOT gid
65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?) )

I've read the install instructions and have followed them to the letter
but still am getting this message.  I have also tried the
--with-mail-gid=89 AND --with-cgi-gid=89 to no avail.

Any suggestions?

 =====================================
Eugene Allen
Manager - Operations Improvement
Manager - DSL/ISDN/Gateway Product Support
phone: 214-583-6433
cell: 214-435-0984
epage: page_eallen at verio.net




From sgop at users.sourceforge.net  Sat Oct 27 08:29:39 2001
From: sgop at users.sourceforge.net (Markus Lausser)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:29:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: <20011027082939.A28937@sauron.forwiss.uni-passau.de>

Hello.

I am running a mailman list on sourceforge and i have forgotten
my admin passwd. How to get it again? i cant find any hint...

Thanks in advance.

Markus.



From klowther at cisnet.com  Sun Oct 28 14:02:41 2001
From: klowther at cisnet.com (Ken)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 08:02:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Last Ditch Effort for fix.
In-Reply-To: <006101c15e4e$89180f80$f6ca37cf@eallenlap>
References: <006101c15e4e$89180f80$f6ca37cf@eallenlap>
Message-ID: 

On Friday 26 October 2001 02:46 pm, Eugene Allen wrote:
> I'm running FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE and  Postfix 20010228.  I installed
> Mailman from the FreeBSD ports collection.  So far the installation
> whent ok.  I've created a new list and am able to configure it via the
> web.
>
> However, when I send a reply to the list I get this:
>
> (Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> netlist". Command output: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 89, GOT gid
> 65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?) )
>
> I've read the install instructions and have followed them to the letter
> but still am getting this message.  I have also tried the
> --with-mail-gid=89 AND --with-cgi-gid=89 to no avail.
>
> Any suggestions?

Give it what it wants.  gid 65534.

--with-mail-gid=65534  --with-cgi-gid=the correct group for your web server

-- 
Ken Lowther
Youngstown, Oho
http:www.atmsite.org



From Berean at C-Squad.org  Sun Oct 28 18:15:49 2001
From: Berean at C-Squad.org (The Berean)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 12:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing HTML file for archives
Message-ID: 

Is there anyway to edit the HTML code for the archive pages so it can match
the rest of your site?  There's no option to do so on the List Admin page.

Frank Pagano (The Berean)
Owner of C-SQUAD (http://www.c-squad.org)
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From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Mon Oct 29 09:41:28 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:41:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I lock the host_name option ?
Message-ID: <0110290841280H.08156@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Hello,

listadmins can change the maildomain of their list by setting the
host_name option.
It's nice that mailman have this feature for the listadmins.
The only problem is that the mailman DBs are only looked up by our
local (mailman)-MTA, so if listadmins change this value it only will work
on the local MTA.
Also they have to choose a local domain of this MTA.

Normally thats self-evident, but many of my users are blissfully ignorant.
I would feel better if I could lock and hide this option.


- oliver



-- 
Oliver Egginger
FH Giessen-Friedberg
DV-Zentrum
Wiesenstrasse 14
35390 Giessen
Tel. +49 641 309-1283
Fax  +49 641 309-2908
Mail: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de






From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Mon Oct 29 11:23:13 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:23:13 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
References: <20011027082939.A28937@sauron.forwiss.uni-passau.de>
Message-ID: <009101c16063$b7841500$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

If it's site pass just run "mmsitepass" and enter the new
password
If it's list pass for admin then here what I would do:

hack it :)
1-create a new site call it test
2-enter the password for the list
3- open the config.db of the test list and search for
"password"
4- in front of it you will see something like this
"QI35687p7U193s"  write it down .
5- now open config.db of the site you forgot the password,
and overwrite the password with the above string you wrote
down.
Now the password of your site should be same as test site.

Good Luck

Vania
---------------


----- Original Message -----
From: "Markus Lausser" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem


> Hello.
>
> I am running a mailman list on sourceforge and i have
forgotten
> my admin passwd. How to get it again? i cant find any
hint...
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Markus.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Mon Oct 29 12:06:30 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 29 Oct 2001 11:06:30 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt
Message-ID: <1004353590.10050.17.camel@gaspode.localnet>

[People may have noticed that the exim.org lists are currently down -
this is why]

I have a Mailman 2.0.6 install running with a current exim.  Nothing has
been changed since the Mailman upgrade a few weeks back.

However it appears that (possibly due to an expected system restart -
although the filesystems are journalled), one list has the config.db
file corrupted.   Worse, the backup config.db is also corrupt (but
different) - list operations give results like:-
	# bin/list_members exim-users
	No such list "exim-users"
	bad marshal data


I am working on getting stuff back from backup (aren't hosted systems
fun - you get to find out how much of the infrastructure really works). 
however as a backstop approach, is there any better way of extracting
the data in the config.db (which looks mostly right) other than using
strings on it and extracting the bits manually (which should at least
give me the user list even if I need to manually edit a load).

And a further question, in the light of this I ought to dump the list
database (say) every 6 hours and keep a weeks back set of them.  I guess
I can script round the dumpdb command to do this - but how do I restore
that?

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Oct 29 16:32:39 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:32:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham  
   of "29 Oct 2001 11:06:30 GMT." <1004353590.10050.17.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
References: <1004353590.10050.17.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
Message-ID: <5176.1004369559@kanga.nu>

On 29 Oct 2001 11:06:30 +0000 
Nigel Metheringham  wrote:

> And a further question, in the light of this I ought to dump the
> list database (say) every 6 hours and keep a weeks back set of
> them.  I guess I can script round the dumpdb command to do this -
> but how do I restore that?

Restoring a dumpdb file is a bit of a pain as you end up having to
wrap it in a bit of python that mays it look like an object and
marshalling that to disk.  Not a big pain to be sure, but more pain
than you get with configdb.  Using configdb gets a dumpt of the DB
which can be re-imported by the same tool to re-create to state of
the DB. 

Quite nice.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Mon Oct 29 16:39:50 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 29 Oct 2001 15:39:50 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt
In-Reply-To: <5176.1004369559@kanga.nu>
References: <1004353590.10050.17.camel@gaspode.localnet>  
	<5176.1004369559@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <1004369991.10049.65.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 15:32, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Restoring a dumpdb file is a bit of a pain as you end up having to
> wrap it in a bit of python that mays it look like an object and
> marshalling that to disk.  Not a big pain to be sure, but more pain
> than you get with configdb.  Using configdb gets a dumpt of the DB
> which can be re-imported by the same tool to re-create to state of
> the DB. 

configdb is a separate tool or have I missed something?

	Nigel.





From jonis at jonis.com.br  Mon Oct 29 14:19:10 2001
From: jonis at jonis.com.br (Jonis Maurin Ceará)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:19:10
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aliase...list....create list and use!!  :(
Message-ID: <200110291619.f9TGJA502268@skynet.jonis.com.br>

Hi all!!!
i have installed mailman on my server....  but, i create a list called
"teste"....right...
i go to the teste-info page...right...  and subscrible my e-mail......the
system send-me mail confirmation..right....but....when i reply confirmation,
my SMTP Server (same of server running mailman) return "No Data Accepet".
why?
when i send normal email for other address, works fine......

:/

when i create liist with "newlist" commando, this don?t create any aliases
in /etc/mail/aliases file...thats right?!?!

well, tks any help!

:)
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Oct 29 20:12:50 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:12:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt
Message-ID: <200110291911.LAA18418@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 15:32, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > Restoring a dumpdb file is a bit of a pain as you end up having to
> > wrap it in a bit of python that mays it look like an object and
> > marshalling that to disk.  Not a big pain to be sure, but more pain
> > than you get with configdb.  Using configdb gets a dumpt of the DB
> > which can be re-imported by the same tool to re-create to state of
> > the DB. 
> 
> configdb is a separate tool or have I missed something?

JC means "config_list",  but I'm missing something; if you just
want to back the files up, why don't you just back them up?
They don't need to be transmogrified on the way out and back in.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Oct 29 21:29:12 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:29:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt
In-Reply-To: <200110291911.LAA18418@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200110291911.LAA18418@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: 

At 11:12 -0800 10/29/2001, Dan Mick wrote:
>JC means "config_list",  but I'm missing something; if you just
>want to back the files up, why don't you just back them up?
>They don't need to be transmogrified on the way out and back in.

I think I'd feel more comfortable with a tool which takes a (non-corrupt)
Mailman database and writes it to (tab-delimited?  XML?) text for later
conversion back.

A year ago I would have said tab-delimited...now I think I'd rather have
XML...from there it could become most anything.  And next year, I'd
probably want XML encrypted for privacy reasons.

Not rocket science.  ;-)

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From claw at 2wire.com  Mon Oct 29 21:37:27 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:37:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt 
In-Reply-To: Message from John W Baxter  
   of "Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:29:12 PST."  
References: <200110291911.LAA18418@utopia.West.Sun.COM>   
Message-ID: <19546.1004387847@2wire.com>

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:29:12 -0800 
John W Baxter  wrote:

> At 11:12 -0800 10/29/2001, Dan Mick wrote:
>> JC means "config_list", but I'm missing something; if you just
>> want to back the files up, why don't you just back them up?  They
>> don't need to be transmogrified on the way out and back in.

> I think I'd feel more comfortable with a tool which takes a
> (non-corrupt) Mailman database and writes it to (tab-delimited?
> XML?) text for later conversion back.

config_list does precisely that.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Mon Oct 29 21:38:00 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:38:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham  
   of "29 Oct 2001 15:39:50 GMT." <1004369991.10049.65.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
References: <1004353590.10050.17.camel@gaspode.localnet> <5176.1004369559@kanga.nu>  <1004369991.10049.65.camel@gaspode.localnet> 
Message-ID: <19651.1004387880@2wire.com>

On 29 Oct 2001 15:39:50 +0000 
Nigel Metheringham  wrote:
> On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 15:32, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> Restoring a dumpdb file is a bit of a pain as you end up having
>> to wrap it in a bit of python that mays it look like an object
>> and marshalling that to disk.  Not a big pain to be sure, but
>> more pain than you get with configdb.  Using configdb gets a
>> dumpt of the DB which can be re-imported by the same tool to
>> re-create to state of the DB.

> configdb is a separate tool or have I missed something?

Aorry, try config_list.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From cwieland at uci.edu  Mon Oct 29 21:56:52 2001
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:56:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime
Message-ID: 

Has anyone know if there is any chance the mailman web archives will ever
understand mime?

Con Wieland
UC Irvine



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Oct 29 22:03:15 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:03:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mime
Message-ID: <200110292102.NAA23986@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Has anyone know if there is any chance the mailman web archives will ever
> understand mime?

Experimental pre-features are available in 2.1 now.  It's a long
way from polished, but the ideas are interesting.  Go browse
Sourceforge CVS for Scrubber.py if you're interested.




From hoffmann at fas.harvard.edu  Sun Oct 28 23:05:30 2001
From: hoffmann at fas.harvard.edu (Frank Hoffmann)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:05:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quoting message URL (in archive) in footer of that outgoing
 message
Message-ID: 

Hi!

Does anyone know if there is a way to include a string (right term?) 
in the footer in outgoing messages that would give the location (= 
URL) of the messages in that list's archive? If Mailman is set up to 
create an archive then each message posted to Mailman will have its 
own URL.

I am not sure if this question has logistically problems, though. 
Does Mailman "know" when it sends out messages where they will be at 
in the archive -- or only a hundredth of a second later, after it has 
been send out?

This would be very useful to have for an academic discussion list 
where people might want to QUOTE postings in their publications. So 
each message subscribers would get in their e-mail would have a 
footer that says something like:
-----SAMPLE------
You may quote this posting by referring to the following URL:
http://koreaweb.ws/pipermail/asianstudiesjobs_koreaweb.ws/2001q4/000005.html
-----------------------

Sorry if this should have been asked before -- I could not find any 
such entry in this mailing list.

Cordially,
Frank Hoffmann
-- 
______________________________________________________
Frank Hoffmann
http://KoreaWeb.ws  *  Fax: (520) 438-4890



From webmaster at qwik-reply.net  Mon Oct 29 16:03:08 2001
From: webmaster at qwik-reply.net (Geoff Wright)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:03:08 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
Message-ID: 

HI

Can anyone suggest what I have set up wrong.

I've recently set up a Mailman list which I wanted only members to be able
to post to.

I have "Must posts be approved by an administrator? " set NO
and "Restrict posting privilege to list members? " set Yes

but then for every message posted as Admin I get an email with the
following:_

>snip<

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    Narrowboat_fitout_forum at qwik-reply.net
    From:    xxx at yyy.co.uk
    Subject: zzzzz
    Reason:  Message has implicit destination

>end snip<

I really don't want this...

Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong ?

Many Thanks
Geoff




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Oct 29 23:43:32 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
References: 
Message-ID: <01d501c160cb$234c6000$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Upgrade to the new (in alpha) version of Mailman.  The current version sends
these messages to the admin to be thrown away.  It's royal pain in the
tuckus.  There is a work-around that I started to play with for version
2.06, but stopped when I found out that the latest version was going to
allow you to throw those messages away.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Wright" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination


> HI
>
> Can anyone suggest what I have set up wrong.
>
> I've recently set up a Mailman list which I wanted only members to be able
> to post to.
>
> I have "Must posts be approved by an administrator? " set NO
> and "Restrict posting privilege to list members? " set Yes
>
> but then for every message posted as Admin I get an email with the
> following:_
>
> >snip<
>
> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
>
>     List:    Narrowboat_fitout_forum at qwik-reply.net
>     From:    xxx at yyy.co.uk
>     Subject: zzzzz
>     Reason:  Message has implicit destination
>
> >end snip<
>
> I really don't want this...
>
> Can anyone suggest what I've done wrong ?
>
> Many Thanks
> Geoff
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Oct 30 00:01:25 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:01:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt
In-Reply-To: <19546.1004387847@2wire.com>
References: <200110291911.LAA18418@utopia.West.Sun.COM> 
  <19546.1004387847@2wire.com>
Message-ID: 

At 12:37 -0800 10/29/2001, J C Lawrence wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:29:12 -0800
>John W Baxter  wrote:
>
>> At 11:12 -0800 10/29/2001, Dan Mick wrote:
>>> JC means "config_list", but I'm missing something; if you just
>>> want to back the files up, why don't you just back them up?  They
>>> don't need to be transmogrified on the way out and back in.
>
>> I think I'd feel more comfortable with a tool which takes a
>> (non-corrupt) Mailman database and writes it to (tab-delimited?
>> XML?) text for later conversion back.
>
>config_list does precisely that.

As I read config_list, it produces Python code which can be exec-ed in
order to rebuild the list configuration.

As such, config_list looks quite useful when needed.

My wish list item goes beyond that to include the membership, with the
various status options for each member.  Some sort of extension of
bin/list_members

For the moment, I can live with hoping that our backup process produces a
state not older than 24 hours before a list becomes corrupt...we haven't
had one become corrupt yet, but we just moved the middle-sized (~7000) list
from Majordomo a couple of weeks ago.  [It's performing much better with a
fairly "stock" Exim and Mailman than it did with a tuned Exim and
Majordomo...and there are opportunities for tuning this Exim instance.]

Wish list time frame for the above muttering is post-Mailman 2.1...I don't
see much reason to write anything for 2.0.6 at this point.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From dagilbert at west.raytheon.com  Tue Oct 30 01:25:45 2001
From: dagilbert at west.raytheon.com (David A Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:25:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to list showing "sent by list-admin"
Message-ID: 

Hi,

We are using Mailman 2.0.6 on RedHat Linux7.0 machine. List is configured
so that when people reply to list, the reply gets sent to poster. If they
do a "Reply All", it goes to poster at domain, and cc'd to list at domain, and
list-admin at domain. Is there anyway to configure mailman so that message
does not get sent to list-admin at domain? Also, posts from list have poster's
email address, but say "Sent-By" list-admin at domain, can list be configured
so that "Sent-By" is the poster's email address only? Mail client is
LotusNotes. Any help appreciated. Thanks.

David Gilbert
dagilbert at west.raytheon.com




From viewelk at avci.net  Tue Oct 30 02:45:14 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:45:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
Message-ID: <007501c160e4$8623fd00$124a9ad0@g1u3v7>

I have a couple of questions concerning two lists I have created through my host.
  I'm hoping somebody here can help me.
Looked at the Mailman help pages with no success. Neither the Quick Reference or Managers guide provided answers.
http://web.aurora.edu/~ckolar//mailman/

1) There doesn't seem to be a clear explanation of the differences and benefits of the different Archive options.
 What are the advantages or disadvantages to archiving in the daily, weekly or monthly formats ?

2) Should I desire as a list manager to delete either a specific mail or portion of an archive ? How would that be done ?

Thanks in advance
                     Best          Don





From viewelk at avci.net  Tue Oct 30 02:53:52 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:53:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restricing web page access
Message-ID: <008f01c160e5$baa16080$124a9ad0@g1u3v7>

Hoping for some more help.

On my own website I use an extensive htaccess file.
An IP # which I have included in my htaccess was allowed entry through 
"The web page for users of your mailing list is:"

This entry showed in my visitor logs which apparently is accessed through a page on my website.
 Any idea how I might coordinate my root htacess with the users page ?

Thanks in advance
 

    


           Best          Don





From sgarman at iname.com  Tue Oct 30 04:23:45 2001
From: sgarman at iname.com (Scott A. Garman)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:23:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderation by e-mail?
Message-ID: 

Hi folks,

I'm a mailman gnubie (!), and so far I've been able to set up mailman
to do everything I need it for - except for one thing.

Is mailman capable of doing message moderation by e-mail instead of
the web interface? If so, please point me in the right direction for
documentation. If not....could someone recommend an easy to set up
mailing list manager that does have this feature? It must be free and 
run under Linux. 

TIA,

Scott

-- 
Scott A. Garman
sgarman at iname.com                       Public PGP Key Available




From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue Oct 30 10:41:33 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 30 Oct 2001 09:41:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List state db is corrupt
In-Reply-To: 
References: <200110291911.LAA18418@utopia.West.Sun.COM> 
	 <19546.1004387847@2wire.com> 
	
Message-ID: <1004434894.13014.8.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 23:01, John W Baxter wrote:
> As I read config_list, it produces Python code which can be exec-ed in
> order to rebuild the list configuration.

Umm.. it looks to me as though config_list dumps some pythonish code
that can be read by config_list to set the list parameters *other* than
the membership roster.

dumpdb dumps the whole list state, but there is no corresponding restore
tool, and the format ends up being a little odd (there are 3 membership
lists - normal, digest and member options).

> My wish list item goes beyond that to include the membership, with the
> various status options for each member.  Some sort of extension of
> bin/list_members

Absolutely - the ability to dump the state into a text file and dicker
with it appeals to me greatly :-)

And the ability to take the snapshot and add the other membership data I
can derive from elsewhere and come up with a very current version would
be nice.

	Nigel.






From xnoellardin at sopra.com  Tue Oct 30 11:00:41 2001
From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL LARDIN)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:00:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost mails
Message-ID: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE4A7@exchange.an.sopra>

I have a server under Linux RedHat 7.1 with Sendmail.
I use mailman 2.0.5 with this server.

I have a problem.... when a member sends a mail, nobody receive this one....
When we look the archive of the list, the mail is archived. and when we look
the smtp logs, all are successfully...
Yet, no mail are received !

Could you help me ? i have restart Sendmail, and nothing

thanks for advance.

XNL




From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Tue Oct 30 13:34:27 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:34:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysterious error shell-init: could not get current directory
Message-ID: <0110301004.AA1004441470@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

I have just installed Mailman on a Linux box with postfix as the MTA. I have 
a test list with 4 subscribers. 

Now and then (note the uncertaincy of when) is the following block of errors 
displayed on a console window of the machine where Mailman is installed:

shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory

I think this is related to posting, but cannot repeat it at will. The list 
appears to work OK, except for the threaded view of the archive. It is 
formatted excacted like the 'date' view.

Anybody seen this?
-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From aeverett at webintl.com  Tue Oct 30 14:53:24 2001
From: aeverett at webintl.com (Albert Everett)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:53:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] billing for mailing lists
Message-ID: 

Anyone have any magic formulas for how to bill for mailing lists so 
that it's fair for the client and covers hardware and bandwidth costs?

Is the file that has the list membership countable by line? I could 
see a monthly script that counts the membership file and bills per 
member. That wouldn't consider how busy a list might be, though.

Albert



From justin at tryllian.com  Tue Oct 30 15:03:52 2001
From: justin at tryllian.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Justin_Albstmeijer?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:03:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?getting_a_lot_of_qrunner_errors?=
Message-ID: <33137.212.0.243.10.1004450632.squirrel@wm.tryllian.com>

Hi,

using: mailman 2.0.6

Everything seemed to work fine (for weeks), till I got these errors:

logs/error:

Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684): Traceback (most recent call last):
Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):      kids = main(lock)
Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main
Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory:
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ac70488999dddaa6a224570774c18abd9c7a6be4.db'


logs/qrunner:
Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 (3684) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ac70488999dddaa6a224570774c18abd9c7a6be4.db


What's happening here?
How to fix this?

Justin 





From jbglaw at lug-owl.de  Tue Oct 30 15:12:55 2001
From: jbglaw at lug-owl.de (Jan-Benedict Glaw)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:12:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] billing for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20011030151254.C25168@lug-owl.de>

On Tue, 2001-10-30 07:53:24 -0600, Albert Everett 
wrote in message :
> Anyone have any magic formulas for how to bill for mailing lists so 
> that it's fair for the client and covers hardware and bandwidth costs?
> 
> Is the file that has the list membership countable by line? I could 
> see a monthly script that counts the membership file and bills per 
> member. That wouldn't consider how busy a list might be, though.

Hello? Somebody at home?

This is the mailman user's list. Mailman is Free Software, which
basically means freedom for users, admins etc. If you want to
earn money with it, you should consider to hire some programmer
to implement it for you...

MfG, JBG

-- 
Jan-Benedict Glaw . jbglaw at lug-owl.de . +49-172-7608481



From cdh at CompleteIS.com  Tue Oct 30 15:20:44 2001
From: cdh at CompleteIS.com (Chris Halverson)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:20:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] billing for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <20011030151254.C25168@lug-owl.de> (Jan-Benedict Glaw's message
 of "Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:12:55 +0100")
References: 
	<20011030151254.C25168@lug-owl.de>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:12:55 +0100, Jan-Benedict Glaw  wrote:

> This is the mailman user's list. Mailman is Free Software, which
> basically means freedom for users, admins etc. If you want to
> earn money with it, you should consider to hire some programmer
> to implement it for you...

I think you misunderstood what he was asking...

This doesn't mean that an ISP could not charge extra for the
service. I know that we do not give away mailing lists as they:

1. Increase support costs due to configuration issues. Yes, even
Mailman's nice web config is "confusing" to most users (heck, I don't
even know how to tweak some of them correctly).

2. Mailing lists require bandwidth which, while cheaper than it has
been in the past, is not free. The cost/benefit for an ISP for mailing
lists is too large to justify.

Those are just two reasons why you may charge for it. As an ISP I
charge for people to use my Apache server. Apache is free, should I
have to give away that service too? It's the same concept.

To answer the originial question, no, there is no "magic formula". See
my two points above and add your own (server requirements, sys admin
knowledge, etc.) and see what you come up with.

cdh

-- 
Chris D. Halverson                         Complete Internet Solutions
(612) 279-2106                             http://www.completeis.com/



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Oct 30 16:26:22 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:26:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysterious error shell-init: could not get current directory
In-Reply-To: <0110301004.AA1004441470@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
References: <0110301004.AA1004441470@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
Message-ID: <01103010262205.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 30 October 2001 07:34, Lucas Hofman wrote:
> I have just installed Mailman on a Linux box with postfix as the MTA. I
> have a test list with 4 subscribers.
>
> Now and then (note the uncertaincy of when) is the following block of
> errors displayed on a console window of the machine where Mailman is
> installed:
>
> shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent
> directories: No such file or directory
> shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent
> directories: No such file or directory
> shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent
> directories: No such file or directory
> shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent
> directories: No such file or directory

Its either a rights problem with one of your directories (where mailman or 
mail does not have read rights), or you are running Debian Linux...

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=45511
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=58942

(the above information brought to you courtesy of a www.google.com 
search...)

Jon Carnes



From jkeenan at blkcat.com  Tue Oct 30 17:03:58 2001
From: jkeenan at blkcat.com (Joe Keenan)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:03:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] billing for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

cd ~mailman
bin/list_members   | wc

first number will be membership count.

joe

On Tuesday, October 30, 2001, at 08:53  AM, Albert Everett wrote:

> Anyone have any magic formulas for how to bill for mailing lists so that 
> it's fair for the client and covers hardware and bandwidth costs?
>
> Is the file that has the list membership countable by line? I could see a 
> monthly script that counts the membership file and bills per member. That 
> wouldn't consider how busy a list might be, though.
>
> Albert
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Tue Oct 30 17:20:26 2001
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:20:26 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crontab of Mailman user ...
Message-ID: <00fa01c1615e$c8ebc800$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br>

Dear friends:

Accidentally, I erased the crontab of mailman.

How I make to restore it ??

Thanks a lot !
Alessandro Luiz




From ccn at uark.edu  Tue Oct 30 17:46:04 2001
From: ccn at uark.edu (Chris Nestrud)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:46:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail using virtual domains
Message-ID: <20011030104604.A7536@TheTestPattern.com>

Hello all. I'm trying to set up mailman 2.0.6 using qmail as my MTA. I'm
using qmail's virtual domain feature to send all mail from subdomain
mailman to user mailman, and using the included qmail-to-mailman python
script to route mail to the correct place. I have the mailman subdomain
in /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts and /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains,
and sending mail to a created list works. The mail is delivered into the
list's mbox file. However, the message is not resent to anyone who is
not a user of the local machine. The ~mailman/logs/smtp log says the
messages are sent, ~mailman/logs/error has no errors, and the qmail logs
don't show any mail being sent out. I've gotten everything else to work,
but this problem is baffling. I'm using user mailman's group, mailman,
as the mail-gid and not getting any errors.

Any suggestions?

Chris




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Oct 30 18:14:34 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:14:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] billing for mailing lists
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 11:03 -0500 10/30/2001, Joe Keenan wrote:
>cd ~mailman
>bin/list_members   | wc
>
>first number will be membership count.

Or
bin/list_members   | wc -l

only number will be membership count.

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Oct 30 18:40:03 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:40:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crontab of Mailman user ...
In-Reply-To: <00fa01c1615e$c8ebc800$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br>
References: <00fa01c1615e$c8ebc800$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <20011030124002.A7452@mems-exchange.org>

On 30 October 2001, Alessandro Luiz Petrocino said:
> Dear friends:
> 
> Accidentally, I erased the crontab of mailman.
> 
> How I make to restore it ??

Well, the best option is to use the backups that you regularly and
religiously make of all your essential system files.

Failing that, it looks like the Mailman build process leaves a file
cron/crontab.in for you to use.  From the INSTALL file:

    - IMPERATIVE!  IMPORTANT!  DO THIS!  YOU'LL BE SORRY IF YOU DON'T!

      Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs
      for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or
      whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
      step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
      executing these commands:

          % su - mailman
          % cd $prefix/cron
          % crontab crontab.in

-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jose at stat.ucla.edu  Tue Oct 30 19:45:04 2001
From: jose at stat.ucla.edu (Jose L. Hales-Garcia)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:45:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overriding the subscribeack.txt file for my read-only lists...
Message-ID: 

I want to have another set of .txt (template) files for a set of
lists which are to be read-only (broadcast) lists.  I don't want
the subscription acknowledgment message mentioning anything about
where or how to post to the list.

The default acknowledgment file is subscribeack.txt.  This file
is fine for most purposes but I need to override it for this
set of read-only lists.

How do I do this?

I've snooped around in the Deliverer.py file and mm_cfg.py file.
It seems the .txt files are not overridable, is this true?

Thank you in advance,
Jose

-- 
..............................
UCLA Department of Statistics
Jose L. Hales-Garcia
..............................



From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Oct 30 19:48:55 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:48:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] billing for mailing lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Albert Everett  
   of "Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:53:24 CST."  
References:  
Message-ID: <26794.1004467735@2wire.com>

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:53:24 -0600 
Albert Everett  wrote:

> Anyone have any magic formulas for how to bill for mailing lists
> so that it's fair for the client and covers hardware and bandwidth
> costs?

Nope.

> Is the file that has the list membership countable by line? 

~/bin/list_members listname | wc -l

> That wouldn't consider how busy a list might be, though.

Parse your MTA logs.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Oct 30 20:16:05 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting a lot of qrunner errors
References: <33137.212.0.243.10.1004450632.squirrel@wm.tryllian.com>
Message-ID: <00fc01c16177$52b28c00$0b04010a@JCARNES>

> using: mailman 2.0.6
>
> Everything seemed to work fine (for weeks), till I got these errors:
>
> logs/error:
>
> Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):   File
> "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
> Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):      kids = main(lock)
> Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):   File
> "/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main
> Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
> Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 qrunner(3684): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
> directory:
> '/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ac70488999dddaa6a224570774c18abd9c7a6be4.db'
>
>
> logs/qrunner:
> Oct 30 14:44:58 2001 (3684) Unlinking orphaned .db file:
> /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/ac70488999dddaa6a224570774c18abd9c7a6be4.db
>
>
> What's happening here?
> How to fix this?
>
I don't know what the fix is, but here is some more information straight
from the code:
  # If the .db file has no corresponding .msg file, we might as well
  # remove the .db file, since there's little we can do about it.
  if not os.path.exists(root+'.msg'):
      syslog('qrunner', 'Unlinking orphaned .db file: %s.db' % root)
      os.unlink(root+'.db')
  # just trigger off the .msg files
  continue

Something happened to delete a message in transit (machine went down, nfs
error, file system error, etc...).  If I'm reading this correctly, then
qrunner processes a message by writing it to a file ___.msg and writing the
mailing list info out to ____.db. Then it opens the ____.db file and sends
the email contained in ___.msg out to all the folks in the database.

Qrunner, doing an initial sweep of the ~mailman/qfiles directory found the
___.db file, but did not find the ___.msg file.  This could occur if:

- The ___.msg file was deleted after Mailman finished processing the
message, but something stopped the ___.db file from being deleted
immediately afterwards (and this new scan found it, declared it an orphan,
and then deleted it)

 - The ___.msg file was deleted or overwritten by some other process, before
Mailman finished processing the message, hence the ___.db file was left
behind, and discovered the next time qrunner kicked off.

- The ___.db file is being created, but not the ___.msg file, or its taking
too long to create the ___.msg file, and after that process times out, the
next qrunner process finds it, declares it an orphan, and deletes it...

Jon Carnes




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Oct 30 20:20:28 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:20:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overriding the subscribeack.txt file for my read-only lists...
References: 
Message-ID: <010e01c16177$ef0550b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You could hack the code on this one fairly easily, creating a file with
lists that get a different subscribeack.txt. - or you could simply have a
second install of Mailman for these lists...

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose L. Hales-Garcia" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overriding the subscribeack.txt file for my
read-only lists...


>
> I want to have another set of .txt (template) files for a set of
> lists which are to be read-only (broadcast) lists.  I don't want
> the subscription acknowledgment message mentioning anything about
> where or how to post to the list.
>
> The default acknowledgment file is subscribeack.txt.  This file
> is fine for most purposes but I need to override it for this
> set of read-only lists.
>
> How do I do this?
>
> I've snooped around in the Deliverer.py file and mm_cfg.py file.
> It seems the .txt files are not overridable, is this true?
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Jose
>
> --
> ..............................
> UCLA Department of Statistics
> Jose L. Hales-Garcia
> ..............................
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From miket at scitechsoft.com  Tue Oct 30 21:29:02 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:29:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden error
Message-ID: <3BDE9D0E.27251.3E5250@localhost>

My list server suddenly developed an error message that is all 
consuming.  I now have an error message that is 2gig in size.  This 
is only since the 18th of October, 01.

I had found the error upon receiving the Cron Daemon message:
**************************************************
**********
Logging error: 
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 74, in write
    f.write(msg)
IOError: [Errno 27] File too large
Original log message:
[Errno 27] File too large
**************************************************
This error led me to editing the file "HandlerAPI.py" described 
below.  I found no erro on the indicated lines and when I tried to 
alter the file the message got worse.

The code preceding the error line is:
def do_pipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline):
    while pipeline:
        modname = pipeline.pop(0)
        mod = __import__('Mailman.Handlers.' + modname)
        func = getattr(getattr(getattr(mod, 'Handlers'), modname), 
'process')
        try:
            pid = os.getpid()
            func(mlist, msg, msgdata)    #Error Line  82
I added ", pipeline" from above and the error changes to:
**************************************************
Oct 30 11:28:07 2001 (31223) Delivery exception: too many 
arguments; expected 3, got 4
Oct 30 11:28:07 2001 (31223) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, 
in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
TypeError: too many arguments; expected 3, got 4
**************************************************
Oct 30 08:10:00 2001 (11866) Delivery exception: not enough 
arguments for format string
Oct 30 08:10:00 2001 (11866) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, 
in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 41, in 
process
    footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

Any help is greatly appreciated
Thanks
MikeT


******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator 
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Oct 30 21:43:29 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden error
In-Reply-To: <3BDE9D0E.27251.3E5250@localhost>
References: <3BDE9D0E.27251.3E5250@localhost>
Message-ID: <20011030154329.B9795@mems-exchange.org>

On 30 October 2001, miket at scitechsoft.com said:
> My list server suddenly developed an error message that is all 
> consuming.  I now have an error message that is 2gig in size.  This 
> is only since the 18th of October, 01.
> 
> I had found the error upon receiving the Cron Daemon message:
> **************************************************
> **********
> Logging error: 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 74, in write
>     f.write(msg)
> IOError: [Errno 27] File too large
> Original log message:
> [Errno 27] File too large
> **************************************************

Sounds like you have an out-of-control log file on a system with no
large file support.  (Or at least your Python doesn't have it; I think
the kernel, filesystem, libc, and Python all need to cooperate for files
> 2 GB to work.)

The problem is not that Mailman is crashing because of a humongous
log file; the problem is that you have a humongous log file in the first
place!  Take a look in ~mailman/logs -- it should be pretty obvious
which the 2 GB file is.  Take a look in it and see if you can figure out
why it got so big.

        Greg



From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Tue Oct 30 22:52:46 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:52:46 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crontab of Mailman user ...
References: <00fa01c1615e$c8ebc800$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br> <20011030124002.A7452@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <004a01c1618d$3600f540$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

too simple :)
Just type crontab crontab.in
from the directory where crontab.in is located

good luck,

Vania
-----------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Ward" 
To: "Alessandro Luiz Petrocino" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Crontab of Mailman user ...


> On 30 October 2001, Alessandro Luiz Petrocino said:
> > Dear friends:
> >
> > Accidentally, I erased the crontab of mailman.
> >
> > How I make to restore it ??
>
> Well, the best option is to use the backups that you
regularly and
> religiously make of all your essential system files.
>
> Failing that, it looks like the Mailman build process
leaves a file
> cron/crontab.in for you to use.  From the INSTALL file:
>
>     - IMPERATIVE!  IMPORTANT!  DO THIS!  YOU'LL BE SORRY
IF YOU DON'T!
>
>       Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number
of cron jobs
>       for its basic functionality.  You need to be user
`mailman' (or
>       whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to
perform this
>       step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab
entry by
>       executing these commands:
>
>           % su - mailman
>           % cd $prefix/cron
>           % crontab crontab.in
>
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer
gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange
http://www.mems-exchange.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





From miket at scitechsoft.com  Wed Oct 31 00:26:48 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:26:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden error
In-Reply-To: <20011030154329.B9795@mems-exchange.org>
References: <3BDE9D0E.27251.3E5250@localhost>
Message-ID: <3BDEC6B8.9284.32BE77@localhost>

The ~/mailman/logs/error file is too big because the data:

Oct 30 08:10:00 2001 (11866) Delivery exception: not enough 
arguments for format string
Oct 30 08:10:00 2001 (11866) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, 
in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 41, in 
process
    footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

Is being written to the file several times a second.

Reference the first note I have changed code and received a different 
error.

Regards
MikeT


On 30 Oct 2001, at 15:43, Greg Ward wrote:
> Sounds like you have an out-of-control log file on a system with no
> large file support.  (Or at least your Python doesn't have it; I think
> the kernel, filesystem, libc, and Python all need to cooperate for files
> > 2 GB to work.)
> 
> The problem is not that Mailman is crashing because of a humongous
> log file; the problem is that you have a humongous log file in the first
> place!  Take a look in ~mailman/logs -- it should be pretty obvious
> which the 2 GB file is.  Take a look in it and see if you can figure out
> why it got so big.
> 
>         Greg
> 


******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator 
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151



From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Wed Oct 31 00:27:13 2001
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:27:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] from majordomo to Mailman ... questions, please help.
Message-ID: 

I am about to leave majordomo and go with Mailman.  (yeah! yeah!)

A couple of questions ....

1.  I have a lot of lists on majordomo to transfer to Mailman ... any
    suggestions on how to do this easily and quickly without sending a
    million notices to the addresses moved to Mailman.  (I want the change
    to be transparent to the users, other than the added features of
    Mailman.)

2.  I have years of majordomo archives that I would like to move to
    Mailman ... is this possible?  And, if so, what is a quick and easy
    way to do this?

thanks so much,

Paul Schumacher
Computer Science Department
Winona State University






From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Oct 31 01:02:44 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:02:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sudden error
Message-ID: <200110310001.QAA24469@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Your footer probably has a "%C" (where C is some format character)
in it that you didn't intend.  Use config_list to dump the footer
text and post it.

> The ~/mailman/logs/error file is too big because the data:
> 
> Oct 30 08:10:00 2001 (11866) Delivery exception: not enough 
> arguments for format string
> Oct 30 08:10:00 2001 (11866) Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, 
> in do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 41, in 
> process
>     footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
> TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
> 
> Is being written to the file several times a second.
> 
> Reference the first note I have changed code and received a different 
> error.
> 
> Regards
> MikeT
> 
> 
> On 30 Oct 2001, at 15:43, Greg Ward wrote:
> > Sounds like you have an out-of-control log file on a system with no
> > large file support.  (Or at least your Python doesn't have it; I think
> > the kernel, filesystem, libc, and Python all need to cooperate for files
> > > 2 GB to work.)
> > 
> > The problem is not that Mailman is crashing because of a humongous
> > log file; the problem is that you have a humongous log file in the first
> > place!  Take a look in ~mailman/logs -- it should be pretty obvious
> > which the 2 GB file is.  Take a look in it and see if you can figure out
> > why it got so big.
> > 
> >         Greg
> > 
> 
> 
> ******************************************************
> SciTech Software Inc,
> Michael E. Todd
> System Administrator 
> 505 Wall Street
> Chico, CA 95928
> 530.894.8400  ext 151
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jose at stat.ucla.edu  Wed Oct 31 01:27:43 2001
From: jose at stat.ucla.edu (Jose L. Hales-Garcia)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:27:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overriding the subscribeack.txt file for my
 read-only lists...
In-Reply-To: <010e01c16177$ef0550b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: 
 <010e01c16177$ef0550b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: 

At 2:20 PM -0500 10/30/01, Jon Carnes wrote:
>You could hack the code on this one fairly easily, creating a file with
>lists that get a different subscribeack.txt. - or you could simply have a
>second install of Mailman for these lists...

I hacked the Deliverer.py file, putting the following in the Deliverer
class declaration:

        # get the text from the template
        if os.path.exists('/Users/mailman/MailSystem/lists/' + string.lower(self
.real_name) + '/readonly'):
           template_file = 'subscribeack-readonly.txt'
        else:
           template_file = 'subscribeack.txt'
        text = Utils.maketext(
            template_file,
            {'real_name'   : self.real_name,
             'host_name'   : self.host_name,
             'welcome'     : welcome,
             'umbrella'    : umbrella,
             'emailaddr'   : self.GetListEmail(),
             'listinfo_url': self.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1),
             'optionsurl'  : self.GetOptionsURL(name, absolute=1),
             'password'    : password,
             })

The 'readonly' file is just an empty stub file.  I'm not sure if this
is what you had in mind but it works for me.

Thanks,
Jose
-- 
..............................
UCLA Department of Statistics
Jose L. Hales-Garcia
..............................



From david at midrange.com  Wed Oct 31 01:44:00 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:44:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] from majordomo to Mailman ... questions,
  please help.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011030184143.02328d58@linux.midrange.com>

At 05:27 PM 10/30/2001, you wrote:
>1.  I have a lot of lists on majordomo to transfer to Mailman ... any
>     suggestions on how to do this easily and quickly without sending a
>     million notices to the addresses moved to Mailman.  (I want the change
>     to be transparent to the users, other than the added features of
>     Mailman.)

Did that a few months ago ... wasn't difficult.

All you have to do is use the add_members command and specify " 
--changes-msg=n --welcome-msg=n" as parameters.

>2.  I have years of majordomo archives that I would like to move to
>     Mailman ... is this possible?  And, if so, what is a quick and easy
>     way to do this?

That I'm not sure about ... I archive directly with mhonarc and was able to 
adapt my mailman configuration to use the same script that majordomo used 
to create the archives.

david



--
| Internet: david at midrange.com
| WWW: http://david.fallingrock.net
|
| Justice ... not vengeance




From linux at wombatsweb.com  Wed Oct 31 03:48:24 2001
From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:48:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011030214343.0baec008@mail.wombatsweb.com>

Why are users of Mailman running Mhonarc?

Is this because the Mailman archives are not searchable?

When you run Mhonarc you can use something like htDig or Gview (is it?) to 
search the archive ... Why can't these programs search the Mailman archive?

And finally ... does anyone know how to create multiple list archives with 
Mhonarc?  (I know this should be a question best placed elsewhere, but I'm 
a Linux newb and I'm dabbling right now)  In fact it was this Mailman list 
that got me using Postfix rather than Sendmail ...

---
Thinking of taking the Microsoft to Linux plunge?
Check out LinuxList @ http://linux.wombatsweb.com




From jim at rossberry.com  Wed Oct 31 04:13:17 2001
From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:13:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator comments
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011030214343.0baec008@mail.wombatsweb.com>
Message-ID: 

I am setting up a fully moderated list.  The moderators need to
occasionally add comments to the posts.  Adding those comments to the
message edit box on the adminstrative request page doesn't seem to work.
The comments are discarded when the 'submit all data' button is
activated.

Can I do this?  if so, how?

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Wildman                                            jim at rossberry.com
903-736-4393





From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Oct 31 04:57:20 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:57:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Pierron  
   of "Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:48:24 EST." <5.1.0.14.0.20011030214343.0baec008@mail.wombatsweb.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011030214343.0baec008@mail.wombatsweb.com> 
Message-ID: <31205.1004500640@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:48:24 -0500 
David Pierron  wrote:

> Why are users of Mailman running Mhonarc?  

Pipermail does not fully soppport MIME, character sets,
customisation of the generated HTML, alternate indexing forms, or
embedded CGI behaviours such as being able to post replies from the
web archives, or search indexes.

> Is this because the Mailman archives are not searchable?

That's one reason.

> When you run Mhonarc you can use something like htDig or Gview (is
> it?) to search the archive ... Why can't these programs search the
> Mailman archive?

They can.

> And finally ... does anyone know how to create multiple list
> archives with Mhonarc?  (I know this should be a question best
> placed elsewhere, but I'm a Linux newb and I'm dabbling right now)

There are several ways to do it.  You can configure Mailman
internally to use MHonArc instead of Pipermail, or yuo can subscribe
an archiver address to each list and then use procmail to handle the
automation.  (I do the later).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Oct 31 14:15:25 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:15:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 and RH 7.2
Message-ID: <200110311315.f9VDFQb10512@camel.lrllamas.com>

Anyone had any luck running 2.1x with RH 7.2?
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Wed Oct 31 14:23:37 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:23:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work
Message-ID: <0110311004.AA1004534427@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

How does pipermail generated the threaded view. In our installation the 
threaded view of the testlist is identical to to date view. 

Something wrong here, but what?

-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From feorag at antipope.org  Wed Oct 31 14:35:46 2001
From: feorag at antipope.org (Feorag NicBhride)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:35:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Yahoo ads.
Message-ID: 

My list has a few people using Yahoo! e-mail addresses. Unfortunately,
this adds advertising to both the messages these members sends and, worst
of all, puts this advertising into the archive on my site. As I have yet
to receive a large cheque from Yahoo!, I would like to excise this
advertising before the messages are passed onto the list or put into the
archive. Anyone done this?

bb
Feorag

-- 
feorag at nospam.antipope.org  "Bung some barley-sugar in hot water, spice
                                it up with a close relative of cannabis, and
******                          allow it to go mouldy. Drink the result."




From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Oct 31 15:53:39 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 09:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.1 and RH 7.2
In-Reply-To: <20011031153933.I5265@freemail.hu>
References: <200110311315.f9VDFQb10512@camel.lrllamas.com> <20011031153933.I5265@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <200110311453.f9VErdb11710@camel.lrllamas.com>

There is no problem -yet-.
2.0.6 is running well, 2.1.x is in beta but it has some new
features I'd really like to be using. I installed it [2.1.x] while running 7.1
and has a problem with it not recognizing the new templates.
I keep really good backups, and restored 2.0.6. and was back in business
as before.
I'm looking for input from anyone who has installed (upgraded) 2.0.6 to 2.1x 
beta **and** did it on RH 7.2 (or roswell 7.1-94)

On Wednesday 31 October 2001 09:39 am, you wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Camel - Jay S. Curtis writes:
> > Anyone had any luck running 2.1x with RH 7.2?
>
> It shouldn't be so hard, so give us some clue what is your...
<>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 31 16:02:22 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:02:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Yahoo ads.
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01103110022202.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 31 October 2001 08:35, Feorag NicBhride wrote:
> My list has a few people using Yahoo! e-mail addresses. Unfortunately,
> this adds advertising to both the messages these members sends and, worst
> of all, puts this advertising into the archive on my site. As I have yet
> to receive a large cheque from Yahoo!, I would like to excise this
> advertising before the messages are passed onto the list or put into the
> archive. Anyone done this?
>
> bb
> Feorag

Use some pre-processor for your mail, like MIMEDefange, or Procmail.  



From edwin at introweb.nl  Wed Oct 31 16:43:28 2001
From: edwin at introweb.nl (Edwin Ringersma)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:43:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering
Message-ID: <3BE02A30.7168.6C8F4D3@localhost>

Check through archives, but didn't find anything like my problem.

I'm experiencing long delays between actual delivery to mailman wrapper and 
the delivery to the mailboxes of the subscribed users.
Crontab is installed as suggested. so qrunner every minute, gate_news every 
5 minutes.
Anybody have a similar experience and hopefully a solution ?

Met vriendelijke groeten,

Edwin Ringersma

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   Tel: 074 - 243 01 05    Welbergweg 30
   Fax: 074 - 242 98 95    7556 PE Hengelo
   http://www.introweb.nl                       
--------------------------------------------------------
  Internet Access & Zakelijke Internet Toepassingen
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From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Oct 31 17:31:24 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:31:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
Message-ID: 

http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/

I have four lists running and. for each of them, in the Privacy Options
page I have "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on the
machine?" set to "Yes". Isn't that where I set this feature?

TIA,

J.

(p.s.- i've shutdown and restarted, refreshed, etc.. my browser repeatedly
but still no lists are showing up.)

thanks again...

J.



         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
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                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
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From cpowell at asciences.com  Wed Oct 31 19:05:51 2001
From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:05:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass "un"-subscription
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to do a mass unsubscription or would 
I have to individually unsubscribe each user?
Thank you.

__________________________________________
Camille Powell, Web Designer
Analytical Sciences, Inc.
cpowell at asciences.com



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Oct 31 19:08:47 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:08:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator comments 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Wildman  
   of "Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:13:17 CST."  
References:  
Message-ID: <1284.1004551727@2wire.com>

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:13:17 -0600 (CST) 
Jim Wildman  wrote:

> I am setting up a fully moderated list.  The moderators need to
> occasionally add comments to the posts.  Adding those comments to
> the message edit box on the adminstrative request page doesn't
> seem to work.  The comments are discarded when the 'submit all
> data' button is activated.

> Can I do this?  if so, how?

There is a patch for 2.0.6 (see the list archives for details).
Note that you'll have to spec in mm_cfg.py that you don't want
message excerpts displayed, but the full messages.

Another approach (wot I do) is to directly edit the spool messages
in ~/data/held*.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Oct 31 19:10:33 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:10:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman  
   of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:23:37 +0100." <0110311004.AA1004534427@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
References: <0110311004.AA1004534427@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
Message-ID: <1317.1004551833@2wire.com>

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:23:37 +0100 
Lucas Hofman  wrote:

> How does pipermail generated the threaded view. 

In accordance with In-Reply-To: and References: headers.

> In our installation the threaded view of the testlist is identical
> to to date view.

Then the MUAs your users are using are not generating correct
headers.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Oct 31 19:12:50 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:12:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Edwin Ringersma"  
   of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:43:28 +0100." <3BE02A30.7168.6C8F4D3@localhost> 
References: <3BE02A30.7168.6C8F4D3@localhost> 
Message-ID: <1357.1004551970@2wire.com>

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:43:28 +0100 
Edwin Ringersma  wrote:

> I'm experiencing long delays between actual delivery to mailman
> wrapper and the delivery to the mailboxes of the subscribed users.

How long?

> Crontab is installed as suggested. so qrunner every minute,
> gate_news every 5 minutes.  

First guesses are:

  -- a poorly configured MTA (especially sendmail)
  -- a high percentage of bad/slow MXes
  -- no local cacheing nameserver and a very slow external nameserver

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Oct 31 19:15:11 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:15:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass "un"-subscription 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Camille K. Powell"  
   of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:05:51 EST."  
References:  
Message-ID: <1396.1004552111@2wire.com>

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:05:51 -0500 
Camille K Powell  wrote:

> Is there a way to do a mass unsubscription or would I have to
> individually unsubscribe each user?  

~/bin/remove_members

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Oct 31 19:17:00 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:17:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Joshua S. Freeman"  
   of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:31:24 EST."  
References:  
Message-ID: <1453.1004552220@2wire.com>

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:31:24 -0500 (EST) 
Joshua S Freeman  wrote:

> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/ I have four lists running
> and. for each of them, in the Privacy Options page I have
> "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on the
> machine?" set to "Yes". Isn't that where I set this feature?

Check and correct the value of "Base URL for Mailman web interface"
for each list.  It is currently set to something other than,
"http://www.mysql.org/mailman/".

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Oct 31 19:20:25 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:20:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] post to list showing "sent by list-admin" 
In-Reply-To: Message from "David A Gilbert"  
   of "Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:25:45 PST."  
References:  
Message-ID: <1486.1004552425@2wire.com>

On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:25:45 -0800 
David A Gilbert  wrote:

> We are using Mailman 2.0.6 on RedHat Linux7.0 machine. List is
> configured so that when people reply to list, the reply gets sent
> to poster.

Good.

> If they do a "Reply All", it goes to poster at domain, and cc'd to
> list at domain, and list-admin at domain. 

If so their MUA is broken.

> Is there anyway to configure mailman so that message does not get
> sent to list-admin at domain? 

This is not a Mailman problem, this is an MUA problem.  For some
bizarre reason their MUA is adding the value of the Sender: header
to the distribution list.  This is fundamentally wrong as per the
definition of the Sender: header.

> Also, posts from list have poster's email address, but say
> "Sent-By" list-admin at domain, can list be configured so that
> "Sent-By" is the poster's email address only? 

Again, this is an MUA problem.  For an equally bizarre reason the
MUA is displaying the Sender: header as the "Sent-By:".

> Mail client is LotusNotes. 

Then LotusNotes is broken as described above, which is not s
surprise, and needs to be fixed

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Oct 31 19:21:19 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:21:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <01103113211909.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 31 October 2001 11:31, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/
>
> I have four lists running and. for each of them, in the Privacy Options
> page I have "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on the
> machine?" set to "Yes". Isn't that where I set this feature?
>
> TIA,
>
> J.

Compiled into ~mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo is the home directory of Mailman, 
and the assumtion that the lists will be found off the home directory in 
"lists/".  
If you have moved the home directory for Mailman or the list directory - or 
your webserver cannot read the list/ directory, then you will get that 
message.

Personally I would start by looking at the rights of the directories.

You can also use the strings command to look inside the listinfo cgi to see 
what it is looking for.

Jon Carnes



From cpowell at asciences.com  Wed Oct 31 19:35:23 2001
From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription of 7,000 Addresses
Message-ID: 

Are there any foreseeable problems with doing a mass subscription of
approximately 7,000 users?
Thank you.

__________________________________________
Camille Powell, Web Designer
cpowell at asciences.com



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Oct 31 19:56:34 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:56:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Yahoo ads.
In-Reply-To: <01103110022202.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References:  <01103110022202.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20011031135634.A12741@mems-exchange.org>

On 31 October 2001, Jon Carnes said:
> Use some pre-processor for your mail, like MIMEDefange, or Procmail.  

For the record, demime also claims the ability to strip out ads from the
common free email providers.  I wasn't able to convince myself that it
works, but the man page says it does... ;-)

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Oct 31 20:58:05 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:58:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription of 7,000 Addresses 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Camille K. Powell"  
   of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:35:23 EST."  
References:  
Message-ID: <987.1004558285@2wire.com>

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:35:23 -0500 
Camille K Powell  wrote:

> Are there any foreseeable problems with doing a mass subscription
> of approximately 7,000 users?  

None, other than the standard issues of MTA and system tuning.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From mark at grafphoto.com  Tue Oct 30 01:03:38 2001
From: mark at grafphoto.com (mark at grafphoto.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not working -errors on login
Message-ID: <006801c160d6$586eaa80$05d279a5@c4d7201>

Hello!
I have been using the Mailman lists offered by my Web host Venture's Online.
The lists are accessed through CPanel3.  For the past few months, one of my
lists has not been transmitting messages sent by the users, or is erratic at
best, and now when I try to log in to the list, I get this error:

"We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a
useful traceback for you. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at
this site. "

I would appreciate any assistance.  (The list is labeled
seasnoopers at grafphoto.com)

Thanks.

Mark








From Francois.Chenais at citb.bull.net  Mon Oct 29 11:15:34 2001
From: Francois.Chenais at citb.bull.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= Chenais)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:15:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
Message-ID: <3BDD2C46.72A2CC31@citb.bull.net>

Hello, 

	What can I do to get back my admin list password when 
	I have forgotten it ?

	Thanks a lot

	Fran?ois

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From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Tue Oct 30 12:51:35 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:51:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mysterious error shell-init: could not get current directory
Message-ID: <0110301004.AA1004438899@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

I have just installed Mailman on a Linux box with postfix as the MTA. I have 
a test list with 4 subscribers. 

Now and then (note the uncertaincy of when) is the following block of errors 
displayed on a console window of the machine where Mailman is installed:

shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory
shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent 
directories: No such file or directory

I think this is related to posting, but cannot repeat it at will. The list 
appears to work OK, except for the threaded view of the archive. It is 
formatted excacted like the 'date' view.

Anybody seen this?
-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From ccn at uark.edu  Tue Oct 30 17:41:13 2001
From: ccn at uark.edu (Chris Nestrud)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:41:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail using virtual domains
Message-ID: <20011030104113.A7439@TheTestPattern.com>

Hello all. I'm trying to set up mailman 2.0.6 using qmail as my MTA. I'm
using qmail's virtual domain feature to send all mail from subdomain
mailman to user mailman, and using the included qmail-to-mailman python
script to route mail to the correct place. I have the mailman subdomain
in /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts and /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains,
and sending mail to a created list works. The mail is delivered into the
list's mbox file. However, the message is not resent to anyone who is
not a user of the local machine. The ~mailman/logs/smtp log says the
messages are sent, ~mailman/logs/error has no errors, and the qmail logs
don't show any mail being sent out. I've gotten everything else to work,
but this problem is baffling. I'm using user mailman's group, mailman,
as the mail-gid and not getting any errors.

Any suggestions?

Chris




From p.bootsma at qualityresearch.nl  Wed Oct 31 10:09:05 2001
From: p.bootsma at qualityresearch.nl (Peter Bootsma)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.4 autoreply loop, headers ignored?
Message-ID: <018001c161eb$b169e300$0a08a8c0@findix>

Markus Mohr wrote on Aug 15 about a mail loop undetected by Mailman while
the looping messages included :

>[..]
>X-Autoreply-From: 
>[..]
>Precedence: bulk
>[..]
>X-BeenThere: 
>[..]

Markus: "If I understood correctly each of this lines should have stopped
mailman from resending his answer to the list!? It didn't though and so
created a lot of unwanted mails. :( I couldn't find a trigger in the
configuration to change this behaviour."

We had two similar mail loops last week on two of our Mailman 2.0.4 lists,
both triggered by the same subscriber. The X-Autoreply-From header was
absent though, but the Precedence and X-BeenThere headers appeared as
reported by Markus.

Any insights, or a hint how to prevent more loops of this kind? Thanks!

Peter Bootsma






From wiebe at isnhome.net  Wed Oct 31 16:58:33 2001
From: wiebe at isnhome.net (Wiebe van der Worp)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:58:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering
In-Reply-To: <3BE02A30.7168.6C8F4D3@localhost>
Message-ID: <000a01c16224$e45bca10$0800a8c0@thunderchild>

In my opinion it is as follows:
The pauses in delivery are most likely caused by failure to find the host
for the domains being sent to.  The messages get queued and then are
delivered later.  The fault server is usually the server being sent to, not
the one sending.

Wiebe van der Worp
--
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Edwin Ringersma
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:43 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering
>
>
> Check through archives, but didn't find anything like my problem.
>
> I'm experiencing long delays between actual delivery to mailman
> wrapper and
> the delivery to the mailboxes of the subscribed users.
> Crontab is installed as suggested. so qrunner every minute,
> gate_news every
> 5 minutes.
> Anybody have a similar experience and hopefully a solution ?
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
> Edwin Ringersma
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>    IntroWeb                Postbus 724 7550 AS Hengelo
>    Tel: 074 - 243 01 05    Welbergweg 30
>    Fax: 074 - 242 98 95    7556 PE Hengelo
>    http://www.introweb.nl
> --------------------------------------------------------
>   Internet Access & Zakelijke Internet Toepassingen
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From bob.flynn at massana.com  Wed Oct 31 18:21:33 2001
From: bob.flynn at massana.com (Bob Flynn)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:21:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc 
Message-ID: <8DD6864720A7D3119F0400C026EE20C05635FF@mail.dublin.massana.com>

Regarding configuring Mhonarc with Mailman. Is there a FAQ or instructions
on how to configure this. I have a configuration running with the default
archive ( pipermail ) but would really like to have the search capabilities
on the archive.

Regards,

-Bob Flynn



-----Original Message-----
From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:57 AM
To: David Pierron
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc 


On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:48:24 -0500 
David Pierron  wrote:

> Why are users of Mailman running Mhonarc?  

Pipermail does not fully soppport MIME, character sets,
customisation of the generated HTML, alternate indexing forms, or
embedded CGI behaviours such as being able to post replies from the
web archives, or search indexes.

> Is this because the Mailman archives are not searchable?

That's one reason.

> When you run Mhonarc you can use something like htDig or Gview (is
> it?) to search the archive ... Why can't these programs search the
> Mailman archive?

They can.

> And finally ... does anyone know how to create multiple list
> archives with Mhonarc?  (I know this should be a question best
> placed elsewhere, but I'm a Linux newb and I'm dabbling right now)

There are several ways to do it.  You can configure Mailman
internally to use MHonArc instead of Pipermail, or yuo can subscribe
an archiver address to each list and then use procmail to handle the
automation.  (I do the later).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



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From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Oct 31 19:41:32 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:41:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscription of 7,000 Addresses
In-Reply-To: ; from cpowell@asciences.com on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 01:35:23PM -0500
References: 
Message-ID: <20011031104132.D3403@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 01:35:23PM -0500, Camille K. Powell wrote:
> Are there any foreseeable problems with doing a mass subscription of
> approximately 7,000 users?

No, as long as you use ~mailman/bin/add_members instead of trying to paste
your list in the admin web page.

Marc
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From david at devedge.expressdata.net  Wed Oct 31 21:38:58 2001
From: david at devedge.expressdata.net (ExpressData Corporation)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:38:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <200110312038.f9VKcwR02056@devedge.expressdata.net>

clean install with RH7.2 and mailman. when I run the check_perms I get an error
mailman_grpname = grp.getgrgid(mailman_gid)[0] Type error: illegal argument type for built-in operation. Also, my post log shows a failure from post to test from mailman-owner at localhost.localadmin. Any help would be appreciated.



From edwin at introweb.nl  Wed Oct 31 23:40:48 2001
From: edwin at introweb.nl (Edwin Ringersma)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering 
In-Reply-To: <1357.1004551970@2wire.com>
References: Message from "Edwin Ringersma"   of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:43:28 +0100." <3BE02A30.7168.6C8F4D3@localhost> 
Message-ID: <3BE08C00.12776.1353B7E@localhost>

On 31 Oct 2001 at 10:12, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:43:28 +0100 
> Edwin Ringersma  wrote:
> 
> > I'm experiencing long delays between actual delivery to mailman
> > wrapper and the delivery to the mailboxes of the subscribed users.
> 
> How long?
Minutes. Can take 20 minutes.
> 
> > Crontab is installed as suggested. so qrunner every minute,
> > gate_news every 5 minutes.  
> 
> First guesses are:
> 
>   -- a poorly configured MTA (especially sendmail)
? it's sendmail, does the job.
>   -- a high percentage of bad/slow MXes
Seen this. Mail stays in the mailqueue. Not always the case.
>   -- no local cacheing nameserver and a very slow external nameserver
Not the problem

I've noticed qrunner hanging and using cpu-cycles. Killing it, and removing 
lockfiles put the mails that where waiting through immediately (when qrunner was 
called by crontab).
I guess qrunners hanging is the problem. What causes this I don't know.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Oct 31 23:51:36 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:51:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
In-Reply-To: <3BDD2C46.72A2CC31@citb.bull.net>
References: <3BDD2C46.72A2CC31@citb.bull.net>
Message-ID: <20011031175136.A27228@mems-exchange.org>

On 29 October 2001, Fran?ois Chenais said:
> Hello, 
> 
> 	What can I do to get back my admin list password when 
> 	I have forgotten it ?

Ask the site admin to set it for you.

If you mean the *site* password, use the command-line:

  cd ~mailman
  ./bin/mmsitepass

        Greg
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