From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Thu Nov  1 00:54:33 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:54:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forwarding loop?
In-Reply-To: <20011011182849.60335.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3BE02CC7.25907.1350431@localhost>

I've been getting the following error message every time 
I send a message to a list.  A number of other users have 
commented that they are getting the same message when 
they send a message to the list.  The message subject is 
"Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender".

-- error message --
This is the Postfix program at host mail.otherwhen.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message 
returned below could not be delivered to one or more 
destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

   The Postfix program

<netw4l at mail.otherwhen.com>: mail forwarding loop for
netw4l at mail.otherwhen.com

-- end of error message --

I looked, and the list is not subscribed to itself.   And the 
messages in question are delivered to the list.

System description - AMD K6-3, 450mhz, 128 megs of 
ram, FreeBSD 4.3, Postfix 2.??, and Mailman 2.06.

I'm pretty sure this isn't a Postfix issue, and I am 
confused.  

Does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this?

Thanks,
Mike
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From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov  1 00:51:57 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:51:57 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011031112946.6318B-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <005201c16267$06c34aa0$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

You need to give your URLs to each list for subscribers, now
only admin list is visible

Like this:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at connix.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:31 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?


> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/
>
> I have four lists running and. for each of them, in the
Privacy Options
> page I have "Advertise this list when people ask what
lists are on the
> machine?" set to "Yes". Isn't that where I set this
feature?
>
> TIA,
>
> J.
>
> (p.s.- i've shutdown and restarted, refreshed, etc.. my
browser repeatedly
> but still no lists are showing up.)
>
> thanks again...
>
> J.
>
>
>
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email:
jfreeman at connix.com
>                    pgp public key: finger
jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+-
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov  1 00:55:03 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:55:03 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011031112946.6318B-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c16267$75ce6a60$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

You need to give your URLs to each list for subscribers, now
only admin list is visible
http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/


Like this:
http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/doc
http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/examples
http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/support

Cheers


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at connix.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:31 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?


> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/
>
> I have four lists running and. for each of them, in the
Privacy Options
> page I have "Advertise this list when people ask what
lists are on the
> machine?" set to "Yes". Isn't that where I set this
feature?
>
> TIA,
>
> J.
>
> (p.s.- i've shutdown and restarted, refreshed, etc.. my
browser repeatedly
> but still no lists are showing up.)
>
> thanks again...
>
> J.
>
>
>
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email:
jfreeman at connix.com
>                    pgp public key: finger
jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
+-+-+-
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov  1 00:59:45 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:59:45 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
References: <3BDD2C46.72A2CC31@citb.bull.net> <20011031175136.A27228@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <009e01c16268$1e150760$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

hack it :)
1-create a new list call it test
2-enter the password for the list
3- open the config.db of the test list and search for
"password"
4- in front of it you will see something like this
"QI35687p7U193s"  write it down .
5- now open config.db of the list you forgot the password,
and overwrite the password with the above string you wrote
down.
Now the password of your list should be same as test list.

I have done it and it works

Cheers
---------------



----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Ward" <gward at mems-exchange.org>
To: "Fran?ois Chenais" <Francois.Chenais at citb.bull.net>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin password


> On 29 October 2001, Fran?ois Chenais said:
> > Hello,
> >
> > What can I do to get back my admin list password when
> > I have forgotten it ?
>
> Ask the site admin to set it for you.
>
> If you mean the *site* password, use the command-line:
>
>   cd ~mailman
>   ./bin/mmsitepass
>
>         Greg
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer
gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange
http://www.mems-exchange.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov  1 04:04:03 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 19:04:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Edwin Ringersma" <edwin@introweb.nl> 
   of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:48 +0100." <3BE08C00.12776.1353B7E@localhost> 
References: Message from "Edwin Ringersma" <edwin@introweb.nl> of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:43:28 +0100." <3BE02A30.7168.6C8F4D3@localhost>  <3BE08C00.12776.1353B7E@localhost> 
Message-ID: <13132.1004583843@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:48 +0100 
Edwin Ringersma <edwin at introweb.nl> wrote:


> Minutes. Can take 20 minutes.

Sounds like a poor MTA configuration.  It could also be the old
pipermail performance problem, much improved in 2.0.5 and improved
yet again in 2.0.6, and hopefully fixed in 2.1.

> I've noticed qrunner hanging and using cpu-cycles. Killing it, and
> removing lockfiles put the mails that where waiting through
> immediately (when qrunner was called by crontab).  I guess
> qrunners hanging is the problem. What causes this I don't know.

Sounds like the archiver/pipermail problem.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Thu Nov  1 11:30:22 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work 
Message-ID: <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

On Wednesday 31 October 2001 10:10, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:23:37 +0100
>
> Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com> wrote:
> > How does pipermail generated the threaded view.
>
> In accordance with In-Reply-To: and References: headers.
>
> > In our installation the threaded view of the testlist is identical
> > to to date view.
>
> Then the MUAs your users are using are not generating correct
> headers.

Which MTA do correctly generate those headers?

Based on a little experiment it seem that mail (unix mail command), kmail, 
and outlook express do not. Or might this be due to our company using a 
ccmail gateway?

-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From edwin at introweb.nl  Thu Nov  1 11:35:28 2001
From: edwin at introweb.nl (Edwin Ringersma)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:35:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering 
In-Reply-To: <13132.1004583843@kanga.nu>
References: Message from "Edwin Ringersma" <edwin@introweb.nl>  of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:48 +0100." <3BE08C00.12776.1353B7E@localhost> 
Message-ID: <3BE13380.982.3C39FD5@localhost>

On 31 Oct 2001 at 19:04, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:48 +0100 
> Edwin Ringersma <edwin at introweb.nl> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Minutes. Can take 20 minutes.
> 
> Sounds like a poor MTA configuration.  It could also be the old
> pipermail performance problem, much improved in 2.0.5 and improved yet
> again in 2.0.6, and hopefully fixed in 2.1.
> 
> > I've noticed qrunner hanging and using cpu-cycles. Killing it, and
> > removing lockfiles put the mails that where waiting through
> > immediately (when qrunner was called by crontab).  I guess qrunners
> > hanging is the problem. What causes this I don't know.
> 
> Sounds like the archiver/pipermail problem.
Ok, thanks.
The version I'm using is 2.0.3. I will update.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From chad at balius.com  Thu Nov  1 14:13:05 2001
From: chad at balius.com (Chad M. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 08:13:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] created private, then changed to public, lists not being advertised
In-Reply-To: <01103113211909.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111010805010.3117-100000@amotken.com>

I built mailman using the following

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman \
  --with-var-prefix=/home/www/sites/lists.balius.com/docs/ \
  --with-mail-gid=yy \
  --with-cgi-gid=xxx


I changed the system wide default to be private lists.  I then setup a list
and changed it to be a publicly-advertised list, yet it does not show up.

I verified that the user under which the webserver runs has permissions to
read the var-prefix directory, to be really sure I allowed indexes on that
directory for a test, I could see them.

Here's the output from strings run over listinfo

/lib/ld-linux.so.2
__gmon_start__
libc.so.6
strcpy
getgid
printf
strerror
getegid
execve
malloc
vsnprintf
fprintf
strcat
__deregister_frame_info
setregid
openlog
closelog
strncmp
syslog
stderr
__errno_location
exit
_IO_stdin_used
__libc_start_main
__register_frame_info
GLIBC_2.0
PTRh
PPSh
,WVS
/home/mailman/scripts/
/home/mailman
/usr/bin/python
Content-type: text/html
<head>
<title>Mailman CGI error!!!</title>
</head><body>
<h1>Mailman CGI error!!!</h1>
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did
not match the gid as set by the Web server.
<p>The most likely cause is that Mailman was
configured and installed incorrectly.  Please
read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
attention to the <tt>--with-cgi-gid</tt> configure
option.  This entry is being stored in your syslog:
<pre>
</pre>
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid %ld, GOT gid %ld.  (Reconfigure to take
%ld?)
PATH=
PYTHONHOME=
PYTHONPATH=
Mailman cgi-wrapper (listinfo)
listinfo
driver



Any ideas?


Thanks,
Chad





From chad at balius.com  Thu Nov  1 14:30:52 2001
From: chad at balius.com (Chad M. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 08:30:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] created private, then changed to public, lists
 not being advertised
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111010805010.3117-100000@amotken.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111010824070.3117-100000@amotken.com>

Viewed from the admin links page, the list is viewable.

Running strings on admin I did not see anything that looked very different
from listinfo.

-Chad-



On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Chad M. Stewart wrote:

>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 08:13:05 -0500 (EST)
>From: Chad M. Stewart <chad at balius.com>
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] created private, then changed to public,
>     lists not being advertised
>
>
>I built mailman using the following
>
>./configure --prefix=/home/mailman \
>  --with-var-prefix=/home/www/sites/lists.balius.com/docs/ \
>  --with-mail-gid=yy \
>  --with-cgi-gid=xxx
>
>
>I changed the system wide default to be private lists.  I then setup a list
>and changed it to be a publicly-advertised list, yet it does not show up.
>
>I verified that the user under which the webserver runs has permissions to
>read the var-prefix directory, to be really sure I allowed indexes on that
>directory for a test, I could see them.
>
>Here's the output from strings run over listinfo
>
>/lib/ld-linux.so.2
>__gmon_start__
>libc.so.6
>strcpy
>getgid
>printf
>strerror
>getegid
>execve
>malloc
>vsnprintf
>fprintf
>strcat
>__deregister_frame_info
>setregid
>openlog
>closelog
>strncmp
>syslog
>stderr
>__errno_location
>exit
>_IO_stdin_used
>__libc_start_main
>__register_frame_info
>GLIBC_2.0
>PTRh
>PPSh
>,WVS
>/home/mailman/scripts/
>/home/mailman
>/usr/bin/python
>Content-type: text/html
><head>
><title>Mailman CGI error!!!</title>
></head><body>
><h1>Mailman CGI error!!!</h1>
>The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did
>not match the gid as set by the Web server.
><p>The most likely cause is that Mailman was
>configured and installed incorrectly.  Please
>read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
>attention to the <tt>--with-cgi-gid</tt> configure
>option.  This entry is being stored in your syslog:
><pre>
></pre>
>Failure to exec script. WANTED gid %ld, GOT gid %ld.  (Reconfigure to take
>%ld?)
>PATH=
>PYTHONHOME=
>PYTHONPATH=
>Mailman cgi-wrapper (listinfo)
>listinfo
>driver
>
>
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>Thanks,
>Chad
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

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From camel at lrllamas.com  Thu Nov  1 15:24:43 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:24:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 1.5 and 2.1.x along side
Message-ID: <200111011424.fA1EOhb07800@camel.lrllamas.com>

another stupid question...
I have python 2.1.x installed along side python 1.5.x for RH 7.2
How do I make mm recognize 2.1x without messing up everything that needs 1.5x 
to operate (RH has a "flavor" of python, and failing to keep it results in 
up2date and other programs going out to lunch)

TIA
-- 
Jay S. Curtis
Camelid Listowner
member info / subscribe / unsubscribe / user options at:
http://lrllamas.com/mailman/listinfo/camelid



From jfreeman at connix.com  Thu Nov  1 15:44:15 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:44:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: <005c01c16267$75ce6a60$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101094404.11506B-100000@comet.connix.com>

ok, but WHERE?.. where do I put those in?

J.

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Vania Lolham
wrote:

> You need to give your URLs to each list for subscribers, now
> only admin list is visible
> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/
> 
> 
> Like this:
> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/dev
> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/doc
> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/examples
> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/support
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at connix.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:31 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
> 
> 
> > http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/
> >
> > I have four lists running and. for each of them, in the
> Privacy Options
> > page I have "Advertise this list when people ask what
> lists are on the
> > machine?" set to "Yes". Isn't that where I set this
> feature?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > J.
> >
> > (p.s.- i've shutdown and restarted, refreshed, etc.. my
> browser repeatedly
> > but still no lists are showing up.)
> >
> > thanks again...
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> >
> >          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> +-+-+-+-+-+-
> >            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email:
> jfreeman at connix.com
> >                    pgp public key: finger
> jfreeman at connix.com
> >                           http://www.threeofus.com
> >                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> +-+-+-
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov  1 15:51:11 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:51:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python 1.5 and 2.1.x along side
In-Reply-To: <200111011424.fA1EOhb07800@camel.lrllamas.com>
References: <200111011424.fA1EOhb07800@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <20011101095111.A29939@mems-exchange.org>

On 01 November 2001, Camel - Jay S. Curtis said:
> another stupid question...
> I have python 2.1.x installed along side python 1.5.x for RH 7.2
> How do I make mm recognize 2.1x without messing up everything that
> needs 1.5x

You'll probably have to edit the scripts that Mailman installs --
eg. change the #! line to refer to /usr/bin/python2.1.  Of course
that'll break when you upgrade to Python 2.2... yecch.

Howl at Red Hat for not catching up with 21st century Python?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil  Thu Nov  1 16:28:58 2001
From: scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil (Scott Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:28:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication
Message-ID: <0e2e01c162e9$ed8409c0$0801a8c0@cj501503a.dlcty1.va.home.com>

Does anyone have any ideas about using RADIUS to override internal mailman
password authentication for addresses inside the domain? We'd really like
our users to be able to have single sign-on.

Thanks,

Scott




From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Thu Nov  1 17:30:48 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:30:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
In-Reply-To: <009e01c16268$1e150760$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
References: <3BDD2C46.72A2CC31@citb.bull.net> <20011031175136.A27228@mems-exchange.org> <009e01c16268$1e150760$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <0111011630480C.22740@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

1.You must have root or mailman-user-group access to do this.

2. If you have these access rights, it will be much more easier to visit 
the admin page of this list and to use the mm_site password to set a new 
admin password for this list.


- oliver 


Nachricht vom Mittwoch 31 Oktober 2001 23:59:
> hack it :)
> 1-create a new list call it test
> 2-enter the password for the list
> 3- open the config.db of the test list and search for
> "password"
> 4- in front of it you will see something like this
> "QI35687p7U193s"  write it down .
> 5- now open config.db of the list you forgot the password,
> and overwrite the password with the above string you wrote
> down.
> Now the password of your list should be same as test list.
>
> I have done it and it works
>
> Cheers
> ---------------
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Ward" <gward at mems-exchange.org>
> To: "Fran?ois Chenais" <Francois.Chenais at citb.bull.net>
> Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin password
>
> > On 29 October 2001, Fran?ois Chenais said:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > What can I do to get back my admin list password when
> > > I have forgotten it ?
> >
> > Ask the site admin to set it for you.
> >
> > If you mean the *site* password, use the command-line:
> >
> >   cd ~mailman
> >   ./bin/mmsitepass
> >
> >         Greg
> > --
> > Greg Ward - software developer
>
> gward at mems-exchange.org
>
> > MEMS Exchange
>
> http://www.mems-exchange.org
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Oliver Egginger
FH Giessen-Friedberg
DV-Zentrum
Wiesenstrasse 14
35390 Giessen
Tel. +49 641 309-1283
Fax  +49 641 309-2908
Mail: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de


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From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Thu Nov  1 18:18:27 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:18:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication
In-Reply-To: <0e2e01c162e9$ed8409c0$0801a8c0@cj501503a.dlcty1.va.home.com>
References: <0e2e01c162e9$ed8409c0$0801a8c0@cj501503a.dlcty1.va.home.com>
Message-ID: <0111011718270D.22740@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Mailman passwords implement a very mild level of 
security.
We are using radius too and I never ever would pool it together
with a system which sends the passwords in cleartext and
e-mails through the network.

But if it is vital for you, you can override the mailman password
dead easy.
"Vania Lolham" have shown us one (a little bit useless) example.

1. Finger out how mailman-password are encrypted.
2. Write a script to synchronize the Radius and the mailman passwords.
  

- oliver

 

Nachricht vom Donnerstag 01 November 2001 15:28:
> Does anyone have any ideas about using RADIUS to override internal mailman
> password authentication for addresses inside the domain? We'd really like
> our users to be able to have single sign-on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Oliver Egginger
FH Giessen-Friedberg
DV-Zentrum
Wiesenstrasse 14
35390 Giessen
Tel. +49 641 309-1283
Fax  +49 641 309-2908
Mail: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de


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From arpajian at syr.edu  Thu Nov  1 18:22:08 2001
From: arpajian at syr.edu (Dean Arpajian)
Date: 01 Nov 2001 12:22:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin request db not responding to submit button
Message-ID: <939978478arpajian@syr.edu>

Hmmm... when I look in on the admin request queue and try the "submit all data" button, no action is taken on the db... the messages that I tried to discard are still there... (I'm using Mailman_1.1 on a debian 68k install).

After I hit the submit button, I get sent the admindb login form. After I log back in, the page says "Database Updated..." but no action seems to have been performed... Where do I go from here? Is there a way for me to manually dump the messages in the pending queue (without breaking mailman)?

tia
-dean






From ed at hintz.org  Thu Nov  1 18:22:53 2001
From: ed at hintz.org (Edmund A. Hintz)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:22:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber address dump?
Message-ID: <200111011722.fA1HMlJ22289@phil.hintz.org>

Hello,
     Is there a way to get a text dump of the subscriber addresses? I'd 
like to have a copy of list members that I can archive off site.


Peace,

Edmund A. Hintz              **|**     "You may say I'm a dreamer,
Mac Techie, Unix Geek,      *  |  *      But I'm not the only one...
Mac/Unix Consultant        *  /|\  *     I hope someday you'll join us,
<ed at hintz.org>              */ | \*      And the world will live as one.
'78 Westy                    *****      Imagine."
                     http://www.hintz.org





From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Thu Nov  1 18:24:41 2001
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:24:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo archives to mailman ??? please help
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111011122420.12734-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>

I have several lists on majordomo and will move them to mailman.

Problem:  I have several years of archives to move to mailman.  How do I
          do that?

thanks,

Paul Schumacher
Winona State University
Computer Science Department.




From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Thu Nov  1 18:26:13 2001
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:26:13 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber address dump?
References: <200111011722.fA1HMlJ22289@phil.hintz.org>
Message-ID: <032d01c162fa$4e794140$201e6a8f@ccuec.unicamp.br>

list_members <list> > list.txt

(replace the <list> for your listname, without the '< >' ...)

If you want know how may users is in your list:

list_members <list> | wc -l
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edmund A. Hintz" <ed at hintz.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:22 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber address dump?


> Hello,
>      Is there a way to get a text dump of the subscriber addresses? I'd 
> like to have a copy of list members that I can archive off site.
> 
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Edmund A. Hintz              **|**     "You may say I'm a dreamer,
> Mac Techie, Unix Geek,      *  |  *      But I'm not the only one...
> Mac/Unix Consultant        *  /|\  *     I hope someday you'll join us,
> <ed at hintz.org>              */ | \*      And the world will live as one.
> '78 Westy                    *****      Imagine."
>                      http://www.hintz.org
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From dmunoz at VisionCore.com  Thu Nov  1 18:29:47 2001
From: dmunoz at VisionCore.com (Doug Munoz)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:29:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber address dump?
In-Reply-To: <200111011722.fA1HMlJ22289@phil.hintz.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEIEOJEFAA.dmunoz@VisionCore.com>

~mailman/bin

./list_members -o filename listname

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Edmund A. Hintz
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:23 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber address dump?


Hello,
     Is there a way to get a text dump of the subscriber addresses? I'd 
like to have a copy of list members that I can archive off site.


Peace,

Edmund A. Hintz              **|**     "You may say I'm a dreamer,
Mac Techie, Unix Geek,      *  |  *      But I'm not the only one...
Mac/Unix Consultant        *  /|\  *     I hope someday you'll join us,
<ed at hintz.org>              */ | \*      And the world will live as one.
'78 Westy                    *****      Imagine."
                     http://www.hintz.org



------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov  1 19:00:37 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:00:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> 
   of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100." <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
References: <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
Message-ID: <29859.1004637637@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100 
Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 31 October 2001 10:10, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 14:23:37 +0100

>> Then the MUAs your users are using are not generating correct
>> headers.

> Which MTA do correctly generate those headers?

Not MTA, MUA -- Mail User Agent.

> Based on a little experiment it seem that mail (unix mail
> command), kmail, and outlook express do not. 

I can't comment on Outlook.  The other's you listed do generate
correct In-Reply-To: headers.

> Or might this be due to our company using a ccmail gateway?

It is possible that CC:mail is stripping those headers.  It would be
decidedly weird, but then CC:mail is already known for being
decidedly weird and arbitrary about compliance with standards.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov  1 19:02:19 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:02:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber address dump? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Edmund A. Hintz" <ed@hintz.org> 
   of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:22:53 PST." <200111011722.fA1HMlJ22289@phil.hintz.org> 
References: <200111011722.fA1HMlJ22289@phil.hintz.org> 
Message-ID: <29919.1004637739@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:22:53 -0800 
Edmund A Hintz <ed at hintz.org> wrote:

> Is there a way to get a text dump of the subscriber
> addresses? 

~/bin/list_members.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Thu Nov  1 20:00:48 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:00:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo archives to mailman ??? please help 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Paul L. Schumacher" <wnpauls@linux2.winona.msus.edu> 
   of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:24:41 CST." <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111011122420.12734-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111011122420.12734-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu> 
Message-ID: <22281.1004641248@2wire.com>

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:24:41 -0600 (CST) 
Paul L Schumacher <wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu> wrote:

> I have several lists on majordomo and will move them to mailman.
> Problem: I have several years of archives to move to mailman.  How
> do I do that?

~/bin/arch

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From vlolham at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov  1 22:47:03 2001
From: vlolham at bigpond.net.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:47:03 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101094404.11506B-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <001901c1631e$bead9460$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>

How do you advertise your mailing list?
On your web site?
To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to
know about it.

cheers
------------






From linux at wombatsweb.com  Thu Nov  1 23:10:38 2001
From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:10:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: <001901c1631e$bead9460$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101094404.11506B-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101170931.0d695798@mail.wombatsweb.com>

At 08:47 AM 11/02/2001 +1100, you wrote:
>How do you advertise your mailing list?  On your web site?
>To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to
>know about it.

Uhm .. I dunno, put a link on your home page called Mailing Lists and link 
it to /mailman/listinfo

Just a thought ...




From jfreeman at connix.com  Thu Nov  1 23:07:51 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:07:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: <001901c1631e$bead9460$2101a8c0@nsw.bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101170659.11506I-100000@comet.connix.com>

ah so.

understood...

So.. there's no way, from within mailman, to create a mailman-generated
page which lists all the lists that that installation of mailman is
serving...

gotcha...

Thanks,

J.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Vania Lolham wrote:

> How do you advertise your mailing list?
> On your web site?
> To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to
> know about it.
> 
> cheers
> ------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  1 23:23:30 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:23:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
Message-ID: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

I don't understand this discussion.

<host>/mailman/listinfo/ is indeed the default "list of
known advertised lists".  It's constructed on the fly by Mailman
and should include every list that 1) matches <host> and 2) is
advertised as "public".

> ah so.
> 
> understood...
> 
> So.. there's no way, from within mailman, to create a mailman-generated
> page which lists all the lists that that installation of mailman is
> serving...
> 
> gotcha...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> J.
> 
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Vania Lolham wrote:
> 
> > How do you advertise your mailing list?
> > On your web site?
> > To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to
> > know about it.
> > 
> > cheers
> > ------------
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
>                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From john at nisus.com  Thu Nov  1 23:32:10 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 14:32:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass "un"-subscription
Message-ID: <l03130300b8077d7dd84c@[207.215.130.171]>

> "Camille K. Powell" <cpowell at asciences.com> Wed, 2001-10-31 13:05:51 -0500
> Is there a way to do a mass unsubscription or would
> I have to individually unsubscribe each user?

.../bin/remove_members

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From gschnippel at forumone.com  Fri Nov  2 00:00:46 2001
From: gschnippel at forumone.com (Greg Schnippel)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:00:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron
Message-ID: <C15E3D46408199449E5118C733ED7FCD084492@pluto.forumone.com>

I've been having a lot of trouble with mailman and
cron recently and I'm wondering if anyone else has
experienced this or has any ideas..?

We have several large lists on our server and they
have run without problem for a couple of years now. 
However, recently it seems that qrunner is locking 
up when it tries to process the queue and in the 
process, it stalls the cron daemon as well. 

The only thing we have been able to do is monitor 
cron, detect when its not working, kill and restart
the cron process, and then manually run the mailman
qrunner program. Definitely not optimal. 

There are no errors being reported in either the mailman
error logs or in the smtp logs.. ??

Anyone had any problems with qrunner or cron with
mailman?

Thanks,

Greg Schnippel



From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  2 00:23:27 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:23:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering 
References: Message from "Edwin Ringersma" <edwin@introweb.nl>  of "Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:48 +0100." <3BE08C00.12776.1353B7E@localhost>  <3BE13380.982.3C39FD5@localhost>
Message-ID: <043101c1632c$363a3620$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Look in your ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py (you don't edit that file, but you
look for the field you want to edit then copy it over to mm_cfg.py - and
then edit that file!).

You will find several timeout values that you can adjust.  It sounds like
you need to tweak these in order to optimize Mailman on your system.  As an
alternative, you might consider running a better optimized MTA like
Postfix...
BTW: what is your MTA?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edwin Ringersma" <edwin at introweb.nl>
To: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
Cc: "J C Lawrence" <claw at 2wire.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Long delay before delivering


> On 31 Oct 2001 at 19:04, J C Lawrence wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:40:48 +0100
> > Edwin Ringersma <edwin at introweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Minutes. Can take 20 minutes.
> >
> > Sounds like a poor MTA configuration.  It could also be the old
> > pipermail performance problem, much improved in 2.0.5 and improved yet
> > again in 2.0.6, and hopefully fixed in 2.1.
> >
> > > I've noticed qrunner hanging and using cpu-cycles. Killing it, and
> > > removing lockfiles put the mails that where waiting through
> > > immediately (when qrunner was called by crontab).  I guess qrunners
> > > hanging is the problem. What causes this I don't know.
> >
> > Sounds like the archiver/pipermail problem.
> Ok, thanks.
> The version I'm using is 2.0.3. I will update.
> >
> > --
> > J C Lawrence
> > ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> > claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> > http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From john at nisus.com  Fri Nov  2 00:27:33 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:27:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
Message-ID: <l03130301b807829a0be5@[207.215.130.171]>

> Jon Carnes wrote:
>> 2001-10-31 10:17:00 -0800 J C Lawrence <claw at 2wire.com> wrote:
>>> Wed, 2001-10-31 11:31:24 -0500 Joshua S Freeman <jfreeman at connix.com>
>>>wrote:

> the assumtion that the lists will be found off the home
> directory in "lists/".

>>> http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo/ I have four lists running
>>> and. for each of them, in the Privacy Options page I have
>>> "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on the
>>> machine?" set to "Yes". Isn't that where I set this feature?

>> Check and correct the value of "Base URL for Mailman web interface"
>> for each list.  It is currently set to something other than,
>> "http://www.mysql.org/mailman/".

Is this the
web_page_url = 'whateverURL'
that you can see by doing a bin/config_list -o showmefile listname
and then looking in the showmefile?

Because, when I try to use that URL or a URL derived from it,
as Joshua mentioned, above, I just get "Not Found".  And the 2
"listinfo" files I find
find ~mailman -name listinfo -print
are non-text files in the bin/cgi-bin and src directories.

If he were to set it thus:
web_page_url = 'http://www.mysql.org/mailman/fred/george/
(assuming he has sub-directories in ~mailman of fred and
fred/george) then is there anything that would prevent that
from working as well?

Is there something more to mapping the URL to the locations of the files?
At what step of the installation process does this get established?
(Is it when one runs ./configure or when one runs   make install  ?)
They seem to be controlled by the --prefix=  and --with-var-prefix=
and --exec-prefix= options, so where it looks would need to be
governed by those, wouldn't they?

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  2 00:31:20 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron
References: <C15E3D46408199449E5118C733ED7FCD084492@pluto.forumone.com>
Message-ID: <04af01c1632d$4fc80030$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Are your volumes filing up (do a "df")?  How big are your archives?  If they
have grown very large, then it will take awhile to put each new message into
the archive.  This can slow you down quite a bit.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Schnippel" <gschnippel at forumone.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:00 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron


>
> I've been having a lot of trouble with mailman and
> cron recently and I'm wondering if anyone else has
> experienced this or has any ideas..?
>
> We have several large lists on our server and they
> have run without problem for a couple of years now.
> However, recently it seems that qrunner is locking
> up when it tries to process the queue and in the
> process, it stalls the cron daemon as well.
>
> The only thing we have been able to do is monitor
> cron, detect when its not working, kill and restart
> the cron process, and then manually run the mailman
> qrunner program. Definitely not optimal.
>
> There are no errors being reported in either the mailman
> error logs or in the smtp logs.. ??
>
> Anyone had any problems with qrunner or cron with
> mailman?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg Schnippel
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From vania at computergeneration.com.au  Fri Nov  2 00:23:42 2001
From: vania at computergeneration.com.au (Vania Lolham)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:23:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101170659.11506I-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au>

The only way public can find your mailing list is by:
1- Placing it in your web site
2- Advertise it on other public newsgroups
3- Mail the URL to all of your clients
http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/ will reveal nothing

Unless you edit the "~/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py " file and add your
lists URL
dodgy but it will work.
Better option is to put the list on your web site with full link like this
http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/doc
http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/examples
http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/programming
and so on

here is an example of a html page
<html>
<head>
<title>Mailing List Page</title>
</head>
<body>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Mailing List</p>
<p><a href="http://www.host/mailman/listinfo/dev">dev</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.host/mailman/listinfo/examples">examples</a></p>
<p><a
href="http://www.host/mailman/listinfo/programming">programming</a></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
</body>
</html>

Cheers

----------------

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at connix.com>
To: "Vania Lolham" <vlolham at bigpond.net.au>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?


| ah so.
|
| understood...
|
| So.. there's no way, from within mailman, to create a mailman-generated
| page which lists all the lists that that installation of mailman is
| serving...
|
| gotcha...
|
| Thanks,
|
| J.
|
| On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Vania Lolham wrote:
|
| > How do you advertise your mailing list?
| > On your web site?
| > To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to
| > know about it.
| >
| > cheers
| > ------------
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > ------------------------------------------------------
| > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
| >
|
|          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
|            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com
|                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
|                           http://www.threeofus.com
|                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
|
|
| ------------------------------------------------------
| Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
| http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Nov  2 00:43:51 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:43:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from jgo <john@nisus.com> 
   of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:27:33 PST." <l03130301b807829a0be5@[207.215.130.171]> 
References: <l03130301b807829a0be5@[207.215.130.171]> 
Message-ID: <29257.1004658231@2wire.com>

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:27:33 -0800 
john  <jgo> wrote:
>> Jon Carnes wrote:
>>> 2001-10-31 10:17:00 -0800 J C Lawrence <claw at 2wire.com> wrote:
>>>> Wed, 2001-10-31 11:31:24 -0500 Joshua S Freeman
>>>> <jfreeman at connix.com> wrote:

>>> Check and correct the value of "Base URL for Mailman web
>>> interface" for each list.  It is currently set to something
>>> other than, "http://www.mysql.org/mailman/".

> Is this the web_page_url = 'whateverURL' that you can see by doing
> a bin/config_list -o showmefile listname and then looking in the
> showmefile?

This is the last option on the first admin page for each list.  It
is no more complex than that, tho you can make it considerably more
complex than that if you really wish.

> If he were to set it thus: web_page_url =
> 'http://www.mysql.org/mailman/fred/george/ (assuming he has
> sub-directories in ~mailman of fred and fred/george) then is there
> anything that would prevent that from working as well?

Yes.  Short story: mailman works by parsing PATH_INFO.  Long story:
If you don't understand the short story, don't mess with it, and if
you do understand the short story, you don't need the long story.

The other version is that if you want to mess with the URL path in
interesting manners you are going to have to use mod_rewrite.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Nov  2 00:49:07 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:49:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Vania Lolham" <vania@computergeneration.com.au> 
   of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:23:42 +1100." <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au> 
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101170659.11506I-100000@comet.connix.com>  <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au> 
Message-ID: <29307.1004658547@2wire.com>

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:23:42 +1100 
Vania Lolham <vania at computergeneration.com.au> wrote:

> The only way public can find your mailing list is by: 1- Placing
> it in your web site 2- Advertise it on other public newsgroups 3-
> Mail the URL to all of your clients
> http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/ will reveal nothing

False.

> Unless you edit the "~/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py " file and
> add your lists URL dodgy but it will work.  Better option is to
> put the list on your web site with full link like this
> http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/doc
> http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/examples
> http://www.<host>/mailman/listinfo/programming and so on

Example:

  https://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/

  (Yeah, its "lists" instead of "mailman" -- its just a custom
  Apache conf, nothing more).

More traditional example:

  http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/

There no custom editing of files required or done in either case.
The list of lists is dynamically generated.

Please don't spread FUD.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From linux at wombatsweb.com  Fri Nov  2 01:04:48 2001
From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:04:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: <29307.1004658547@2wire.com>
References: <Message from "Vania Lolham" <vania@computergeneration.com.au>
 <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au>
 <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101170659.11506I-100000@comet.connix.com>
 <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101190027.0482f008@mail.wombatsweb.com>

At 03:49 PM 11/01/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Example:
>
>   https://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/
>
>   (Yeah, its "lists" instead of "mailman" -- its just a custom
>   Apache conf, nothing more).
>
>More traditional example:
>
>   http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/
>
>There no custom editing of files required or done in either case.
>The list of lists is dynamically generated.
>
>Please don't spread FUD.

Since we're on this subject of the generated mailing list page, this is the 
only place where I seem to have had an error in installing this package 
...  The mail-owner at domain.com email address last listed on this page has 
the domain name of the person who set up the RPM ...  I have checked config 
files and don't see where I could change this ... Can someone please point 
me in the right direction?

By the way, if your lists are private, they will not be on this page 
...  If that's why this person's lists don't show up on this page, then why 
would you want top advertise private mailing lists?  I think that's the 
exact point of these options ...  I think it's awesome that mailman does 
this page for you ... and weeds out the private lists to boot ...  One less 
html file for me to edit ...

TIA




From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Nov  2 01:35:33 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 16:35:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Pierron <linux@wombatsweb.com> 
   of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:04:48 EST." <5.1.0.14.0.20011101190027.0482f008@mail.wombatsweb.com> 
References: <Message from "Vania Lolham" <vania@computergeneration.com.au> <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101170659.11506I-100000@comet.connix.com> <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au>  <5.1.0.14.0.20011101190027.0482f008@mail.wombatsweb.com> 
Message-ID: <29614.1004661333@2wire.com>

On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:04:48 -0500 
David Pierron <linux at wombatsweb.com> wrote:

> Since we're on this subject of the generated mailing list page,
> this is the only place where I seem to have had an error in
> installing this package ...  The mail-owner at domain.com email
> address last listed on this page has the domain name of the person
> who set up the RPM ...  I have checked config files and don't see
> where I could change this ... Can someone please point me in the
> right direction?

MAILMAN_OWNER in mm_cfg.py

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From linux at wombatsweb.com  Fri Nov  2 01:56:59 2001
From: linux at wombatsweb.com (David Pierron)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:56:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: <29614.1004661333@2wire.com>
References: <Message from David Pierron <linux@wombatsweb.com>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20011101190027.0482f008@mail.wombatsweb.com>
 <Message from "Vania Lolham" <vania@computergeneration.com.au>
 <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au>
 <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101170659.11506I-100000@comet.connix.com>
 <005b01c1632c$3f4ce780$0501a8c0@computergeneration.com.au>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20011101190027.0482f008@mail.wombatsweb.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011101195050.048fb008@mail.wombatsweb.com>

At 04:35 PM 11/01/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:04:48 -0500
>David Pierron <linux at wombatsweb.com> wrote:
>
> > Since we're on this subject of the generated mailing list page,
> > this is the only place where I seem to have had an error in
> > installing this package ...  The mail-owner at domain.com email
> > address last listed on this page has the domain name of the person
> > who set up the RPM ...  I have checked config files and don't see
> > where I could change this ... Can someone please point me in the
> > right direction?
>
>MAILMAN_OWNER in mm_cfg.py

I'll tell you how this happened ...

According to the docs, I'm instructed to leave Defaults.py alone and make 
what changes I want to in mm_cfg.py ...

In Deafults.py I see the line:
MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

I set the default_host_name in my mm_cfg.py ... but makes sense how this 
happened, but was a little misleading ...
I added MAILMAN_OWNER to the mm_cfg.py file and all is well ... Thanks!




From jfreeman at connix.com  Fri Nov  2 02:30:45 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:30:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com>

OK, then my question remains this:

WHY AREN'T MY LISTS SHOWING UP?... I've set the permission on the
privacy page for each of the 4 lists on our server, yet they're not
showing up when I run http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo

They are meant to be advertised lists yet they're not showing up.

J.

On Thu, 1
Nov
2001, Dan Mick wrote:

> I don't understand this discussion.
> 
> <host>/mailman/listinfo/ is indeed the default "list of
> known advertised lists".  It's constructed on the fly by Mailman
> and should include every list that 1) matches <host> and 2) is
> advertised as "public".
> 
> > ah so.
> > 
> > understood...
> > 
> > So.. there's no way, from within mailman, to create a mailman-generated
> > page which lists all the lists that that installation of mailman is
> > serving...
> > 
> > gotcha...
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > J.
> > 
> > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Vania Lolham wrote:
> > 
> > > How do you advertise your mailing list?
> > > On your web site?
> > > To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to
> > > know about it.
> > > 
> > > cheers
> > > ------------
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > 
> > 
> >          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> >            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
> >                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
> >                           http://www.threeofus.com
> >                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Nov  2 02:50:32 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:50:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
Message-ID: <200111020149.RAA00751@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

First, try setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py (read about
it in Defaults.py). If that makes them show up, then check their
web_page_url with this:

bin/config_list -o - <listname> | grep web_page_url

If that doesn't show a path, then the list is using DEFAULT_URL
(in Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py).  If the URL doesn't match 
www.mysql.org, then there's your answer.

> OK, then my question remains this:
> 
> WHY AREN'T MY LISTS SHOWING UP?... I've set the permission on the
> privacy page for each of the 4 lists on our server, yet they're not
> showing up when I run http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo
> 
> They are meant to be advertised lists yet they're not showing up.
> 
> J.
> 
> On Thu, 1
> Nov
> 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > I don't understand this discussion.
> > 
> > <host>/mailman/listinfo/ is indeed the default "list of
> > known advertised lists".  It's constructed on the fly by Mailman
> > and should include every list that 1) matches <host> and 2) is
> > advertised as "public".
> > 
> > > ah so.
> > > 
> > > understood...
> > > 
> > > So.. there's no way, from within mailman, to create a mailman-generated
> > > page which lists all the lists that that installation of mailman is
> > > serving...
> > > 
> > > gotcha...
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > J.
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Vania Lolham wrote:
> > > 
> > > > How do you advertise your mailing list?
> > > > On your web site?
> > > > To get to the "Welcome" page "listinfo" still people have to
> > > > know about it.
> > > > 
> > > > cheers
> > > > ------------
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > 
> > > 
> > >          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > >            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
> > >                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
> > >                           http://www.threeofus.com
> > >                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > 
> 
>          -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
>            Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
>                    pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
>                           http://www.threeofus.com
>                  -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
> 




From vjl at www.seweb.uci.edu  Fri Nov  2 02:49:56 2001
From: vjl at www.seweb.uci.edu (vjl at www.seweb.uci.edu)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:49:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 feature questions
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0111011624390.31636-100000@web2.soceco.uci.edu>

Hi all,

I'm a longtime Smartlist admin who's migrating to Mailman 2.0.6 and I've
got a few questions regarding features:

I have several legitimate 'non-opt-out' type of lists; Ie: our department
wants to make sure that *every* faculty member is given a certain message,
so we use a smartlist mailing list. I've configured it so that users can
not unsubscribe from that list - they have to contact us directly [and we
only unsub someone if they are quitting]. Is there a way to do this in
Mailman? Also, seeing as someone may want to get around that by putting
themselves on permanent vacation, is there any way to disable that feature
as well?

Is there any way to have a reduced-feature admin w3 page? Ie: I'd like to
give a non-tech person the ability to add/delete users, but nothing more.
I don't want them to change the site URL, name of the list, etc, etc.

Is there a way to either globally or on a per-list basis, customize some
of the auto-reply text? I notice you can prepend some text to some of the
auto-replies, but how 'bout replacing the entire auto-reply message
itself?

Although I've not gone into production w/ Mailman yet, I have to say I'm
very impressed with its featureset. I think I'm going to have to make some
room in my schedule to help out with its development [there's nothing like
a nice, long wishlist to inspire me]. My python, though is rusty and old
[last version i used was 1.3 in '98: http://www.python.org/psa/Users.html]
I'm actually looking forward to creating some PHP classes that might make
for a more easily customized UI.

Any tips y'all might have would be most appreciated.

/vjl/







From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Nov  2 03:31:01 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:31:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.6 feature questions
Message-ID: <200111020230.SAA01932@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I'm a longtime Smartlist admin who's migrating to Mailman 2.0.6 and I've
> got a few questions regarding features:
> 
> I have several legitimate 'non-opt-out' type of lists; Ie: our department
> wants to make sure that *every* faculty member is given a certain message,
> so we use a smartlist mailing list. I've configured it so that users can
> not unsubscribe from that list - they have to contact us directly [and we
> only unsub someone if they are quitting]. Is there a way to do this in
> Mailman? 

Not until 2.1, but yes.

> Also, seeing as someone may want to get around that by putting
> themselves on permanent vacation, is there any way to disable that feature
> as well?

Not without hacking, but it's probably a small amount of hacking.
A reasonable RFE.
 
> Is there any way to have a reduced-feature admin w3 page? Ie: I'd like to
> give a non-tech person the ability to add/delete users, but nothing more.
> I don't want them to change the site URL, name of the list, etc, etc.

Again, not until 2.1, but 2.1 has the concept of "moderators"; here's
the description of what they can do:

The list moderators have more limited permissions; they are not able
to change any list configuration variable, but they are
allowed to tend to pending administration requests, including
approving or rejecting held subscription requests, and disposing of
held postings. Of course, the list administrators can also tend to
pending requests.

I think this does not, at present, allow direct subscription by the
moderator, but since the moderator can format up an email message and
send it, and then approve it, effectively he can do one-off
requests.  Adding the ability to change the subscriber list only
would be a reasonable RFE.  Looks like it currently grants the ability
to deal with admin requests, to see archives, and to see
the membership roster.
 
> Is there a way to either globally or on a per-list basis, customize some
> of the auto-reply text? I notice you can prepend some text to some of the
> auto-replies, but how 'bout replacing the entire auto-reply message
> itself?

Again, in 2.1 it's easier; the list messages are internationalized,
and as part of that process they can now be made list-specific with
a specifically-defined search order:

    # When looking for a template in a specific language, there are 4 places
    # that are searched, in this order:
    #
    # 1. the list-specific language directory
    #    lists/<listname>/<language>
    #
    # 2. the domain-specific language directory
    #    templates/<list.host_name>/<language>
    #
    # 3. the site-wide language directory
    #    templates/site/<language>
    #
    # 4. the global default language directory
    #    templates/<language>




From michelle at primelogic.com  Fri Nov  2 03:47:00 2001
From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:47:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper not sending out mail
Message-ID: <a05001907b807b997f455@[192.168.1.1]>

Gentle friends,

I installed Mailman 2.0.6 on my FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE server, which runs sendmail
8.11.6.  I configured in accordance with the INSTALL instructions.  I 
used the Apache group nobody (GID 65534) for the CGI wrapper. 
Initially, it seemed logical to use GID 6 for the mail wrapper, 
according to /etc/group:

mail:*:6:

Here are the results of the first configure:

/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.6# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman \
>  --with-mail-gid=6 \
>  --with-cgi-gid=65534

loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python version... 1.5.2
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 1003
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 1003
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 6
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 65534
checking for CGI extensions... no
checking for default fully qualified host name... straylight.primelogic.com
checking for default URL host component... straylight.primelogic.com
checking for strerror... (cached) yes
checking for setregid... (cached) yes
checking for syslog... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating filters/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating Makefile
You have new mail in /var/mail/michelle

So far, so good.  Then I compiled:

make DIRSETGID=: install

Because, according to README.BSD:

BSD ISSUES

1. Vivek Khera writes that BSD does nightly security scans for setuid
    file changes.  Setgid directories also come up on the scan when
    they change.  He says that setgid bit is not necessary on BSD
    systems because group ownership is automatically inherited on files
    created in directories.  On other Un*xes, this only happens when
    the directory has the setgid bit turned on.

    To install without turning on the setgid bit on directories, simply
    pass in the DIRSETGID variable to make, like so:

      % make DIRSETGID=: install

    This turns off the chmod g+s on each directory as they are
    installed.


Next, I checked directory permissions, and they were copacetic:

/usr/local/mailman# bin/check_perms
No problems found


Then I set up a list, using bin/newlist.

The Web pages for the list worked fine, no problems.  Next, I tried 
to send a message to Mailman, which quickly went down in flames. 
Turned out my assumption of mail (GID 6) for the mail wrapper was 
unwarranted:

Oct 31 22:46:38 straylight sendmail[63442]: fA16kcf63442: 
from=<michelle at eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<a05001917b8069f6b5432@[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, 
relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140]
Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec 
script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kcf63442: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", 
ctladdr=<songscape at straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:01, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown 
mailer error 2
Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kcf63442: 
fA16kdf63443: DSN: unknown mailer error 2
Oct 31 22:46:44 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kdf63443: 
to=<michelle at eugene.net>, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, 
mailer=esmtp, pri=30132, relay=mail.eugene.net. [207.189.137.3], 
dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (fA16pCf10466 Message accepted for delivery)


DOH!  Okay, sez I.  Undaunted, I reconfigured using 
"--with-mail-gid=1," which /etc/group shows as:

daemon:*:1:daemon

A second test message was sent.  Reconfiguring with daemon (GID 1) 
took care of the error message, but now Mailman won't respond to 
e-mail.  A message sent to the list (or to [list-request] seems to be 
handed off to mail/wrapper correctly:

Oct 31 22:24:17 straylight sendmail[60410]: fA16OFf60410: 
from=<michelle at eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<a05001916b80699e20711@[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, 
relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140]
Oct 31 22:24:18 straylight sendmail[60411]: fA16OFf60410: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", 
ctladdr=<songscape at straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:02, 
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

It's acting as if /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper isn't executing, 
because no mail is sent out after this point.

/usr/local/mailman# ls -al mail
total 20
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman    512 Oct 31 23:02 .
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman    512 Oct 31 14:55 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman  17969 Oct 31 23:02 wrapper

I'm coming up empty, here.  If you have any ideas as to what the 
problem could be, please cc me as I am not a mailman-users 
subscriber.  I hope someone can point me in the right direction, 
because at this point I'm muttering to myself.  That's a bad sign.

.\\ichelle
---------------------
Michelle Brownsworth
System Administrator
PrimeLogic Corporation
http://www.primelogic.com



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Nov  2 03:52:44 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:52:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper not sending out mail
Message-ID: <200111020251.SAA02976@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> A second test message was sent.  Reconfiguring with daemon (GID 1) 
> took care of the error message, but now Mailman won't respond to 
> e-mail.  A message sent to the list (or to [list-request] seems to be 
> handed off to mail/wrapper correctly:
> 
> Oct 31 22:24:17 straylight sendmail[60410]: fA16OFf60410: 
> from=<michelle at eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
> msgid=<a05001916b80699e20711@[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, 
> relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140]
> Oct 31 22:24:18 straylight sendmail[60411]: fA16OFf60410: 
> to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", 
> ctladdr=<songscape at straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:02, 
> xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> 
> It's acting as if /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper isn't executing, 
> because no mail is sent out after this point.

You don't say anything about setting up cron.  Is that because you
haven't?





From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Nov  2 04:12:02 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 19:12:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman@connix.com> 
   of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 20:30:45 EST." <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com> 
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com> 
Message-ID: <30622.1004670722@2wire.com>

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 20:30:45 -0500 (EST) 
Joshua S Freeman <jfreeman at connix.com> wrote:

> WHY AREN'T MY LISTS SHOWING UP?

Because you have mailman configured for them to report under a
different virtual host than the one at which you are looking for
them.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From zen at shangri-la.dropbear.id.au  Fri Nov  2 05:00:08 2001
From: zen at shangri-la.dropbear.id.au (Stuart Bishop)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:00:08 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news raising NNTPProtocolError exceptions & pragraph duplication
Message-ID: <1B440490-CF46-11D5-A838-000393031882@shangri-la.dropbear.id.au>

Hi.

I'm trying to setup an email feed of a couple of large Usenet news 
groups.
Articles seem to be flowing happily, although I'm getting a dozen or
so exceptions each day. It may be related to the number of aricles being
retrieved, as I get these exceptions everytime gate_news is run until
I perform a catchup on the news group. I was also getting the exceptions
much more often until I started running gate_news every 60 seconds 
instead
of once every five minutes.

The other problem I am seeing is that the first paragraph (the body 
before the
first blank line) is being repeated twice.

My client is a NetBSD box running Python 2.1.1 and Mailman 2.0.6.
The upstream news server is an NT DNews server, or a NetCache (which 
talks
to the same DNews server) - same problem with both.

Can anyone shed any light on this? My assumption would be that DNews
is brokent, but I don't know enough about NNTP to be sure.


On Thursday, November 1, 2001, at 06:14  PM, Cron Daemon wrote:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
     main()
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
     process_lists(lock)
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 179, in process_lists
     poll_newsgroup(mlist, conn, start, last+1, glock)
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 104, in poll_newsgroup
     body = conn.body(`num`)[3]
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 346, in body
     return self.artcmd('BODY ' + id)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 322, in artcmd
     resp, list = self.longcmd(line)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 215, in longcmd
     return self.getlongresp()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 194, in 
getlongresp
     resp = self.getresp()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 188, in getresp
     raise NNTPProtocolError(resp)
Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPProtocolError: .


--
Stuart Bishop <zen at shangri-la.dropbear.id.au>
http://shangri-la.dropbear.id.au/




From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Fri Nov  2 10:42:33 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work 
Message-ID: <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

On Thursday 01 November 2001 10:00, J C Lawrence wrote:

> > Based on a little experiment it seem that mail (unix mail
> > command), kmail, and outlook express do not.
>
> I can't comment on Outlook.  The other's you listed do generate
> correct In-Reply-To: headers.
>
Are you sure? Look at the following reply generated by replying to a mail 
send by a local user:
---
>From root  Fri Nov  2 10:27:14 2001
Return-Path: <root>
Received: (from root at localhost)
        by tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11389;
        Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:27:14 +0100
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:27:14 +0100
From: root <root at tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com>
Message-Id: <200111020927.KAA11389 at tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com>
To: lucas at tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com, root at tanya.oslo.seres.pgs.com
Subject: Re: test
 
reply
which headers are added?
---
No In-Reply-To: header here. The mail client on this linux box is mail (good 
old mail, which does not honour the -V or --version option)

By the way, your messages do not thread in the mailman user maillist archive. 
Which MUA are you using?

-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From james at FuturisTech.net  Fri Nov  2 14:20:01 2001
From: james at FuturisTech.net (James Watson)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com>; from jfreeman@connix.com on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 08:30:45PM -0500
References: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net>

On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 08:30:45PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> OK, then my question remains this:
> 
> WHY AREN'T MY LISTS SHOWING UP?... I've set the permission on the
> privacy page for each of the 4 lists on our server, yet they're not
> showing up when I run http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo
> 
> They are meant to be advertised lists yet they're not showing up.

Short answer: set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py.

Long answer:
If you go to: http://mysql.org/mailman/listinfo you can see them.  The list
hostname is set to "mysql.org" instead of "www.mysql.org".  Changing the list
hostname should fix it.

Mailman includes some virtual hosting features that will limit
the list of lists to those for the current virtual host.  It does
this by matching the list hostname with the http hostname.  However,
this is a case-sensitive match, so if you change the list hostname to
www.mysql.org, then http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo will work,
but http://www.MySQL.org/mailman/listinfo will not. You can avoid this
problem by setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py. This will cause
Mailman to advertise all public lists, regardless of the http hostname.

-James

-- 
James Watson                                 Futuristic Technologies, LLC 
james at FuturisTech.net                        716 South Main St.        
(229) 985 - 7515                             Moultrie, GA 31768       
www.FuturisTech.net                                                   <><



From madan.r at net4india.net  Fri Nov  2 15:07:43 2001
From: madan.r at net4india.net (Madan Rai)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:37:43 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman error
Message-ID: <038d01c163a7$c06f6a60$6d8147ca@com.net4india>

hi
can you please help me out to get rid of this problem..

thx
Madan
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From gschnippel at forumone.com  Fri Nov  2 16:11:42 2001
From: gschnippel at forumone.com (Greg Schnippel)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:11:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron
Message-ID: <C15E3D46408199449E5118C733ED7FCD084495@pluto.forumone.com>

Thanks, Jon. I checked the file sizes in the archive
directory but they seem to be rather insignificant. The
list that is causing the problems has 6000+ users 
but they only mail 2-3 times a month. 

Do you think the size of the list is what is causing
qrunner and then cron to lock up? I'm sure mailman
can handle large lists and it has always been able
to handle this list before.. Not sure why it would 
freeze when processing it now

Thanks,

Greg Schnippel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at haht.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:31 PM
> To: Greg Schnippel; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron
> 
> 
> Are your volumes filing up (do a "df")?  How big are your 
> archives?  If they
> have grown very large, then it will take awhile to put each 
> new message into
> the archive.  This can slow you down quite a bit.
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Schnippel" <gschnippel at forumone.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 6:00 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner keeps locking cron
> 
> 
> >
> > I've been having a lot of trouble with mailman and
> > cron recently and I'm wondering if anyone else has
> > experienced this or has any ideas..?
> >
> > We have several large lists on our server and they
> > have run without problem for a couple of years now.
> > However, recently it seems that qrunner is locking
> > up when it tries to process the queue and in the
> > process, it stalls the cron daemon as well.
> >
> > The only thing we have been able to do is monitor
> > cron, detect when its not working, kill and restart
> > the cron process, and then manually run the mailman
> > qrunner program. Definitely not optimal.
> >
> > There are no errors being reported in either the mailman
> > error logs or in the smtp logs.. ??
> >
> > Anyone had any problems with qrunner or cron with
> > mailman?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Greg Schnippel
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 



From cvd at mens-informatica.net  Fri Nov  2 16:54:09 2001
From: cvd at mens-informatica.net (Tim Stoop)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:54:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List recieves, but doesn't send...
Message-ID: <20011102155409.BA219E38F@mail.il.fontys.nl>

Hi people,

I just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Linux Debian. No, not the .deb, I compiled 
the source myself. No trouble here. When I created a test-list, I got nice 
messages saying I was list owner and a welcome-message after I registered 
myself as user. But, when I send mail to the list, I just isn't send... 
$prefix/logs/smtp en error are both empty, syslog contains lines like:
Nov  2 16:34:45 Obelisk postfix/local[906]: 1FBF41E: 
to=<test at mi.hi.fontys.nl>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test")
I get no return message, but the messages aren't sent out. What is wrong 
here? I use Postfix, btw.

I used the mailman.deb before and it worked without trouble. But as I was 
reinstalling my server, I wanted the newest version. Only this just doesn't 
seem to work?

Any ideas?

Kind regards,
Tim Stoop



From jfreeman at connix.com  Fri Nov  2 17:11:56 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:11:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: <20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011102111131.16021A-100000@comet.connix.com>

Thanks James,

That was it (the long-ish answer)...


Thanks a million.

cheers,

J.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, James Watson
wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 08:30:45PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > OK, then my question remains this:
> > 
> > WHY AREN'T MY LISTS SHOWING UP?... I've set the permission on the
> > privacy page for each of the 4 lists on our server, yet they're not
> > showing up when I run http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo
> > 
> > They are meant to be advertised lists yet they're not showing up.
> 
> Short answer: set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py.
> 
> Long answer:
> If you go to: http://mysql.org/mailman/listinfo you can see them.  The list
> hostname is set to "mysql.org" instead of "www.mysql.org".  Changing the list
> hostname should fix it.
> 
> Mailman includes some virtual hosting features that will limit
> the list of lists to those for the current virtual host.  It does
> this by matching the list hostname with the http hostname.  However,
> this is a case-sensitive match, so if you change the list hostname to
> www.mysql.org, then http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo will work,
> but http://www.MySQL.org/mailman/listinfo will not. You can avoid this
> problem by setting VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW=0 in mm_cfg.py. This will cause
> Mailman to advertise all public lists, regardless of the http hostname.
> 
> -James
> 
> -- 
> James Watson                                 Futuristic Technologies, LLC 
> james at FuturisTech.net                        716 South Main St.        
> (229) 985 - 7515                             Moultrie, GA 31768       
> www.FuturisTech.net                                                   <><
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Nov  2 17:23:24 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:23:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List recieves, but doesn't send...
In-Reply-To: <20011102155409.BA219E38F@mail.il.fontys.nl>
References: <20011102155409.BA219E38F@mail.il.fontys.nl>
Message-ID: <20011102112324.A2459@mems-exchange.org>

On 02 November 2001, Tim Stoop said:
> I just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Linux Debian. No, not the .deb, I compiled 
> the source myself. No trouble here. When I created a test-list, I got nice 
> messages saying I was list owner and a welcome-message after I registered 
> myself as user. But, when I send mail to the list, I just isn't send... 

Did you setup the Mailman cron jobs?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From mavery at mail.otherwhen.com  Fri Nov  2 18:17:32 2001
From: mavery at mail.otherwhen.com (Mike Avery)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:17:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forwarding loop?
In-Reply-To: <3BE02CC7.25907.1350431@localhost>
References: <20011011182849.60335.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3BE272B1.3561.A16746A@localhost>

On 31 Oct 2001 at 16:54, Mike Avery wrote:

> I've been getting the following error message every time 
> I send a message to a list.  A number of other users have 
> commented that they are getting the same message when 
> they send a message to the list.  The message subject is 
> "Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender".

Well, that got resolved.  Someone had misconfigured 
their copy of Lookout! and was sending every message 
they received back to the list as a return receipt.  
Lookout! hadn't changed the headers, so it looked like 
the original sender was re-posting the message.  Postfix 
stopped the duplicate message and sent the confusing 
error message.

Looking at the Postfix log, and a raw view of the error 
message showed me which SMTP server the message 
was coming through.  I used the find_member command 
and lucked out - only one (former) subscriber from that 
domain.

Mike
-- 
Mike Avery                            
MAvery at mail.otherwhen.com
 
A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day:
What do you mean you 'formatted' the cat?





From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Nov  2 18:53:36 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 09:53:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> 
   of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100." <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
References: <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
Message-ID: <12095.1004723616@2wire.com>

On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100 
Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com> wrote:

> By the way, your messages do not thread in the mailman user
> maillist archive. Which MUA are you using?

exmh.  Quoting the headers from this very message:

  In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com> 
     of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100." <0111021004.AA1004693972 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
  References:  <0111021004.AA1004693972 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 

You may note that it inserts the correct headers.    However there
are no such headers in the message from you I'm replying to.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Nov  2 19:23:28 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:23:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from James Watson <james@FuturisTech.net> 
   of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:20:01 EST." <20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net> 
References: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com>  <20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net> 
Message-ID: <12263.1004725408@2wire.com>

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:20:01 -0500 
James Watson <james at FuturisTech.net> wrote:

> Mailman includes some virtual hosting features that will limit the
> list of lists to those for the current virtual host.  It does this
> by matching the list hostname with the http hostname.  However,
> this is a case-sensitive match, so if you change the list hostname
> to www.mysql.org, then http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo will
> work, but http://www.MySQL.org/mailman/listinfo will not. 

False.

Hostnames are explicitly case insensitive.  Mailman flattens the
strings prior to comparison.  Example:

  https://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/
  https://WwW.Kanga.Nu/lists/listinfo/

Both will report the same page.  As for the setting:

 $ fgrep VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/*.py
 /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py:VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From james at FuturisTech.net  Fri Nov  2 19:36:37 2001
From: james at FuturisTech.net (James Watson)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:36:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
In-Reply-To: <12263.1004725408@2wire.com>; from claw@2wire.com on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:23:28AM -0800
References: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com> <20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net> <james@FuturisTech.net> <12263.1004725408@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <20011102133637.C31039@exodus.futuristech.net>

On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:23:28AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 08:20:01 -0500 
> James Watson <james at FuturisTech.net> wrote:
> > by matching the list hostname with the http hostname.  However,
> > this is a case-sensitive match, so if you change the list hostname
> > to www.mysql.org, then http://www.mysql.org/mailman/listinfo will
> > work, but http://www.MySQL.org/mailman/listinfo will not. 
> 
> False.
> 
> Hostnames are explicitly case insensitive.  Mailman flattens the
> strings prior to comparison.  Example:
> 
>   https://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/
>   https://WwW.Kanga.Nu/lists/listinfo/

Your browser must do the flattening.  With Mozilla, the above two urls both
work for me.  However, with Netscape 4.77, I get the "no advertised lists"
message when using the second url.

-James

-- 
James Watson                                 Futuristic Technologies, LLC 
james at FuturisTech.net                        716 South Main St.        
(229) 985 - 7515                             Moultrie, GA 31768       
www.FuturisTech.net                                                   <><



From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Fri Nov  2 19:47:11 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: 02 Nov 2001 15:47:11 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable posting of a specific user
Message-ID: <1004726833.19008.17.camel@claudia>

Is there are any way to dislable user posting into a list?

I wish to have some users that can read but not posting.  

It is the same for me that the possible post may be send to the admin to
be approved, for this reason I ask:

It is possible to moderate the posting of a specific user?

 
(I have Mailman 2.1a2)


-- 

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 rodolfo at linux.org.uy         Quien los deja seguir en su lugar,
 http://rodolfo.pilas.net     Quien los baja ahora de su altar,
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  key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0  48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363




From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Nov  2 19:57:18 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from James Watson <james@FuturisTech.net> 
   of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 13:36:37 EST." <20011102133637.C31039@exodus.futuristech.net> 
References: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com> <20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net> <james@FuturisTech.net> <12263.1004725408@2wire.com>  <20011102133637.C31039@exodus.futuristech.net> 
Message-ID: <12463.1004727438@2wire.com>

On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 13:36:37 -0500 
James Watson <james at FuturisTech.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:23:28AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> Hostnames are explicitly case insensitive.  Mailman flattens the
>> strings prior to comparison.  Example:
>> 
>>   https://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/
>>   https://WwW.Kanga.Nu/lists/listinfo/

> Your browser must do the flattening.  With Mozilla, the above two
> urls both work for me.  However, with Netscape 4.77, I get the "no
> advertised lists" message when using the second url.

Urk.

This is bad, a bug, and needs to be fixed for 2.1.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Nov  2 20:18:46 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 12:18:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
References: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com>  <20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net> <12263.1004725408@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <3BE2F195.DF0D805E@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> Hostnames are explicitly case insensitive.  Mailman flattens the
> strings prior to comparison.  Example:
>
>   https://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/
>   https://WwW.Kanga.Nu/lists/listinfo/
>
> Both will report the same page.  As for the setting:

    Um, no.  IE6 sees the same page, however Nutscrape 4.78 says no
public lists for the second URL.  On the second URL, IE6 says (at the
top) 'www.kanga.nu Mailing Lists' where Nutscrape says 'WwW.Kanga.Nu
Mailing Lists'.

    I was going to say maybe it's related to the https part of it (not
being able to match), but that doesn't make sense either.  Something is
happening, somewhere...

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From cvd at mens-informatica.net  Fri Nov  2 20:32:43 2001
From: cvd at mens-informatica.net (Tim Stoop)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 20:32:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List recieves, but doesn't send...
In-Reply-To: <20011102112324.A2459@mems-exchange.org>
References: <20011102155409.BA219E38F@mail.il.fontys.nl> <20011102112324.A2459@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <200111021932.fA2JWwd12958@boson.b.fw.brunssum.net>

Op vrijdag 2 november 2001 17:23, schreef Greg Ward:
> Did you setup the Mailman cron jobs?

Oops...
Thx!



From clark.cooper at vc3.com  Fri Nov  2 23:22:53 2001
From: clark.cooper at vc3.com (Clark Cooper)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:22:53 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation email loop
Message-ID: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com>

I had a situation where a user on one of my lists had the vacation utility
turned on and a posting to the list resulted in a looped email because the
vacation email response was then posted and on and on.  The reply-to posts
option has been set to "the list" and I would like to keep this setting.  Is
there any setting that can be changed to keep this from happening?  I can
not always depend on the user disabling their account on the list server.  I
need a way for the list server to recoginize this looping is happening and
take action.

Thank you,
Clark Cooper



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Sat Nov  3 00:37:12 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:37:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation email loop
In-Reply-To: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com>
References: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com>
Message-ID: <20011102183712.B4370@mems-exchange.org>

On 02 November 2001, Clark Cooper said:
> I had a situation where a user on one of my lists had the vacation utility
> turned on and a posting to the list resulted in a looped email because the
> vacation email response was then posted and on and on.  The reply-to posts
> option has been set to "the list" and I would like to keep this
> setting.

I believe that "stupid autoresponders" is one of the canonical reasons
why reply-to "the list" is Considered Harmful.  IOW, if you insist on
having reply-to "the list", you will probably have to live with this
annoyance.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From barry at zope.com  Sat Nov  3 00:50:37 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 18:50:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] why can't people see my lists?
References: <200111012222.OAA21373@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
	<Pine.BSI.3.95.1011101202930.27913A-100000@comet.connix.com>
	<20011102082001.A31039@exodus.futuristech.net>
	<james@FuturisTech.net>
	<12263.1004725408@2wire.com>
	<20011102133637.C31039@exodus.futuristech.net>
	<12463.1004727438@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <15331.12621.703529.26344@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JCL" == J C Lawrence <claw at 2wire.com> writes:

    JCL> Urk.

Indeed!

Looks like Mozilla flattens the hostname case but Lynx does not
(convenient for testing! :).

    JCL> This is bad, a bug, and needs to be fixed for 2.1.

Fixed it is.  I'll simply fold to lowercase the hostname sucked out of
the cgi environment before doing the checks.

Thanks for forwarding this to me.
-Barry



From leanne at nacse.org  Sat Nov  3 01:15:20 2001
From: leanne at nacse.org (leanne lai)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:15:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mass change to list
Message-ID: <200111030015.QAA06337@pancake.NACSE.ORG>

Hi,

I would like to increase the maximum length of the message body of _all_ my 
lists, is there a way to mass change all the lists?

Thanks




From viewelk at avci.net  Sat Nov  3 01:25:11 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:25:11 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Disable posting of a specific user
Message-ID: <00bd01c163fe$00f9d2e0$124a9ad0@g1u3v7>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Rodolfo Pilas <rodolfo at linux.org.uy>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:47 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable posting of a specific user


> Is there are any way to dislable user posting into a list?
> 
> I wish to have some users that can read but not posting.  
> 
> It is the same for me that the possible post may be send to the admin to
> be approved, for this reason I ask:
> 
> It is possible to moderate the posting of a specific user?
> 
>  
> (I have Mailman 2.1a2)
> 

Hey Rodolfo,
                      I'm using 2.06 and under the PRIVACY section there is a line which reads:
 " Addresses whose postings are always held for approval."
end of quote

I recall another (different section) which also had the option of whether or not to notify subscribers that their posts were being held for approval.

                     Best          Don





From zen at shangri-la.dropbear.id.au  Thu Nov  1 08:27:16 2001
From: zen at shangri-la.dropbear.id.au (Stuart Bishop)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 18:27:16 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news raising NNTPProtocolError exceptions
In-Reply-To: <20011101071401.C7D80D@aargh.shangri-la.dropbear.id.au>
Message-ID: <E0750CAC-CE99-11D5-8B6F-000393031882@shangri-la.dropbear.id.au>

Hi.

I'm trying to setup an email feed of a couple of large Usenet news 
groups.
Articles seem to be flowing happily, although I'm getting a dozen or
so exceptions each day. It may be related to the number of aricles being
retrieved, as I get these exceptions everytime gate_news is run until
I perform a catchup on the news group. I was also getting the exceptions
much more often until I started running gate_news every 60 seconds 
instead
of once every five minutes.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

My client is a NetBSD box running Python 2.1.1 and Mailman 2.0.6.
The upstream news server is a DNews server, or a NetCache (which talks
to the same DNews server) - same problem with both.

On Thursday, November 1, 2001, at 06:14  PM, Cron Daemon wrote:

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
>     process_lists(lock)
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 179, in process_lists
>     poll_newsgroup(mlist, conn, start, last+1, glock)
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 104, in poll_newsgroup
>     body = conn.body(`num`)[3]
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 346, in body
>     return self.artcmd('BODY ' + id)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 322, in artcmd
>     resp, list = self.longcmd(line)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 215, in 
> longcmd
>     return self.getlongresp()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 194, in 
> getlongresp
>     resp = self.getresp()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 188, in 
> getresp
>     raise NNTPProtocolError(resp)
> Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPProtocolError: .
>
--
Stuart Bishop <zen at shangri-la.dropbear.id.au>
http://shangri-la.dropbear.id.au/




From armstron at cj501503-b.dlcty1.va.home.com  Thu Nov  1 16:21:32 2001
From: armstron at cj501503-b.dlcty1.va.home.com (Scott Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To ignored
Message-ID: <0e0601c162e8$e3e169e0$0801a8c0@cj501503a.dlcty1.va.home.com>

I just discovered somewhat odd behavior in mailman-2.0.7. When sending to the list, it only used my "From" address and failed to honor the "Reply-To" header. While I don't have a problem with it using "From" to determine whether a posting should be held for a moderated list, I was wondering why the "Reply-To" wasn't used when the message was actually sent out. Is there some configuration tweak I can use to get it to honor that header?

Scott
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From michelle at primelogic.com  Thu Nov  1 21:04:14 2001
From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:04:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper not sending out mail
Message-ID: <a05001903b807517479c5@[192.168.1.1]>

Gentle friends,

I installed Mailman 2.0.6 on my FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE server, which runs sendmail
8.11.6.  I configured in accordance with the INSTALL instructions.  I 
used the Apache group nobody (GID 65534) for the CGI wrapper. 
Initially, it seemed logical to use GID 6 for the mail wrapper, 
according to /etc/group:

mail:*:6:

Here are the results of the first configure:

/usr/local/src/mailman-2.0.6# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman \
>  --with-mail-gid=6 \
>  --with-cgi-gid=65534

loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python version... 1.5.2
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 1003
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 1003
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 6
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 65534
checking for CGI extensions... no
checking for default fully qualified host name... straylight.primelogic.com
checking for default URL host component... straylight.primelogic.com
checking for strerror... (cached) yes
checking for setregid... (cached) yes
checking for syslog... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating filters/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating Makefile
You have new mail in /var/mail/michelle

So far, so good.  Then I compiled:

make DIRSETGID=: install

Because, according to README.BSD:

BSD ISSUES

1. Vivek Khera writes that BSD does nightly security scans for setuid
    file changes.  Setgid directories also come up on the scan when
    they change.  He says that setgid bit is not necessary on BSD
    systems because group ownership is automatically inherited on files
    created in directories.  On other Un*xes, this only happens when
    the directory has the setgid bit turned on.

    To install without turning on the setgid bit on directories, simply
    pass in the DIRSETGID variable to make, like so:

      % make DIRSETGID=: install

    This turns off the chmod g+s on each directory as they are
    installed.


Next, I checked directory permissions, and they were copacetic:

/usr/local/mailman# bin/check_perms
No problems found


Then I set up a list, using bin/newlist.

The Web pages for the list worked fine, no problems.  Next, I tried 
to send a message to Mailman, which quickly went down in flames. 
Turned out my assumption of mail (GID 6) for the mail wrapper was 
unwarranted:

Oct 31 22:46:38 straylight sendmail[63442]: fA16kcf63442: 
from=<michelle at eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<a05001917b8069f6b5432@[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, 
relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140]
Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec 
script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kcf63442: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", 
ctladdr=<songscape at straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:01, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown 
mailer error 2
Oct 31 22:46:39 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kcf63442: 
fA16kdf63443: DSN: unknown mailer error 2
Oct 31 22:46:44 straylight sendmail[63443]: fA16kdf63443: 
to=<michelle at eugene.net>, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, 
mailer=esmtp, pri=30132, relay=mail.eugene.net. [207.189.137.3], 
dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (fA16pCf10466 Message accepted for delivery)


DOH!  Okay, sez I.  Undaunted, I reconfigured using 
"--with-mail-gid=1," which /etc/group shows as:

daemon:*:1:daemon

A second test message was sent.  Reconfiguring with daemon (GID 1) 
took care of the error message, but now Mailman won't respond to 
e-mail.  A message sent to the list (or to [list-request] seems to be 
handed off to mail/wrapper correctly:

Oct 31 22:24:17 straylight sendmail[60410]: fA16OFf60410: 
from=<michelle at eugene.net>, size=332, class=0, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<a05001916b80699e20711@[192.168.1.1]>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, 
relay=c886028-a.eugene1.or.home.com [24.14.231.140]
Oct 31 22:24:18 straylight sendmail[60411]: fA16OFf60410: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post songscape", 
ctladdr=<songscape at straylight.primelogic.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:02, 
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=30032, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

It's acting as if /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper isn't executing, 
because no mail is sent out after this point.

/usr/local/mailman# ls -al mail
total 20
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman    512 Oct 31 23:02 .
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman    512 Oct 31 14:55 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman  17969 Oct 31 23:02 wrapper

I'm coming up empty, here.  If you have any ideas as to what the 
problem could be, please cc me as I am not a mailman-users 
subscriber.  I hope someone can point me in the right direction, 
because at this point I'm muttering to myself.  That's a bad sign.

.\\ichelle
---------------------
Michelle Brownsworth
System Administrator
PrimeLogic Corporation
http://www.primelogic.com
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From michelle at eugene.net  Fri Nov  2 04:10:14 2001
From: michelle at eugene.net (Michelle Brownsworth)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:10:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wrapper not sending out mail
In-Reply-To: <200111020251.SAA02976@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200111020251.SAA02976@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <a05001909b807be03fe63@[192.168.1.1]>

Dan Mick inquires:

>You don't say anything about setting up cron.  Is that because you
>haven't?


DOH!  The crontab I originally created got pooched somehow.  It had 
some garbage chars in it.  I redid it and now Mailman is sending out 
to beat the band.  Good call, Dan.  Thanks much!

.\\ichelle





From benites at cs.unca.edu  Fri Nov  2 16:19:03 2001
From: benites at cs.unca.edu (Robert Benites)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:19:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List user management problems
Message-ID: <200111021519.fA2FJ3I14107@marshall.cs.unca.edu>

I am running Mailman 2.0.6 on a Compaq Tru64 UNIX 5.1 system.

I reviewd the open bugs at SourceForge and didn't see a problem such
as this described there. I tried posting this using the bug reporting
mechanism at SourceForge, but when I tried to just use my e-mail
address, my browser crashed. I thought I'd post it here to to see if
someone else had seen a problems such as this.

To begin, I created a list, ms-adm, which seemed to go fine.

When I tried to add a list of users using the adminstrator's
membership management page, while the users were subscribed, eg. list
admins received a subscription notification mail message with the
correct subscriber addresses, and the users show up as members using
the list_members command, they never got a welcome message with their
password.

This problem seems to be intermittent, I added two users at the outset
on the Membership Management page and they got a welcome message with
their password, but when I entered a larger group (17 users) they
seemed to be added, but never got the welcome message.

In addition, when I do a dumpdb, I see entries foreach of this second
group of users which look like:

    'bounce_info': {   'bennett-owner at unca.edu': [1004707923.71, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'bland-owner at unca.edu': [1004707923.17, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'brock-owner at cs.unca.edu': [1004707922.36, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'dperkins-owner at unca.edu': [1004707923.06, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'elkin-owner at cs.unca.edu': [1004707922.01, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'fcooper-owner at unca.edu': [1004707922.23, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'frandall-owner at unca.edu': [1004707923.59, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'honeycutt-owner at unca.edu': [1004707922.91, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'mculbertson-owner at unca.edu': [   1004707923.44,
                                                         2.0,
                                                         2.0],
                       'msmall-owner at unca.edu': [1004707923.28, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'mstoffan-owner at bulldog.unca.edu': [   1004707864.32,
                                                              2.0,
                                                              2.0],
                       'parker-owner at unca.edu': [1004707922.69, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'reynolds-owner at unca.edu': [1004707868.14, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'robin-owner at unca.edu': [1004707923.83, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'rwhite-owner at unca.edu': [1004707867.72, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'selliott-owner at unca.edu': [1004707922.52, 2.0, 2.0],
                       'shepherd-owner at bulldog.unca.edu': [   1004707896.47,
                                                              2.0,
                                                              2.0]},

One of the users I added was bennett at unca.edu, another was
bland at unca.edu.

Also, during list setup, I never changed any of the bounce options.

If these users go to the listinfo page enter their address, eg.
bland at unca.edu for instance, and click "edit options" they see
bland-owner at unca.edu, rather than bland at unca.edu.

This is the _only_ list I'm having problems with.

It seems I should only have the list administrators in the bounce_info
variables, or is that an incorrect assumption? How can I fix the
database? I am unsure of the python syntax.

Any suggestions? 

Thanks!

-- Bob Benites



From t.stoop at ehrmweb.nl  Fri Nov  2 16:40:08 2001
From: t.stoop at ehrmweb.nl (Tim Stoop)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 16:40:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List recieves, but doesn't send...
Message-ID: <20011102154008.94572E39D@mail.il.fontys.nl>

Hi people,

I just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Linux Debian. No, not the .deb, I compiled 
the source myself. No trouble here. When I created a test-list, I got nice 
messages saying I was list owner and a welcome-message after I registered 
myself as user. But, when I send mail to the list, I just isn't send... 
$prefix/logs/smtp en error are both empty, syslog contains lines like:
Nov  2 16:34:45 Obelisk postfix/local[906]: 1FBF41E: 
to=<test at mi.hi.fontys.nl>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent 
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test")
I get no return message, but the messages aren't sent out. What is wrong 
here? I use Postfix, btw.

I used the mailman.deb before and it worked without trouble. But as I was 
reinstalling my server, I wanted the newest version. Only this just doesn't 
seem to work?

Any ideas?

Kind regards,
Tim Stoop



From erdenbat2001 at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  2 23:53:31 2001
From: erdenbat2001 at earthlink.net (Batu Eerdun)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 17:53:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q
Message-ID: <ADEMLOBFGEIJFLICIBBPOEEDCAAA.erdenbat2001@earthlink.net>

I use windows 2000, may I set up mailing list?
it looks like tuning on the Uinx machine, right?
batu



From jonc at haht.com  Sat Nov  3 05:38:54 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 23:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List recieves, but doesn't send...
References: <20011102154008.94572E39D@mail.il.fontys.nl>
Message-ID: <070b01c16421$740f9080$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Did you setup your crontab entries?

su to the mailman user and check out "crontab -e".  If you have setup the
crontab entries (a full page worth including comments), then run the qrunner
script (as seen in crontab) by hand, and see what it says.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stoop" <t.stoop at ehrmweb.nl>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:40 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List recieves, but doesn't send...


> Hi people,
>
> I just installed Mailman 2.0.6 on Linux Debian. No, not the .deb, I
compiled
> the source myself. No trouble here. When I created a test-list, I got nice
> messages saying I was list owner and a welcome-message after I registered
> myself as user. But, when I send mail to the list, I just isn't send...
> $prefix/logs/smtp en error are both empty, syslog contains lines like:
> Nov  2 16:34:45 Obelisk postfix/local[906]: 1FBF41E:
> to=<test at mi.hi.fontys.nl>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
> ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test")
> I get no return message, but the messages aren't sent out. What is wrong
> here? I use Postfix, btw.
>
> I used the mailman.deb before and it worked without trouble. But as I was
> reinstalling my server, I wanted the newest version. Only this just
doesn't
> seem to work?
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Kind regards,
> Tim Stoop
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From chad at balius.com  Sat Nov  3 11:49:04 2001
From: chad at balius.com (Chad M. Stewart)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 05:49:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] LIKELY_BOUNCE_SENDERS case sensative ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111030536030.2175-100000@amotken.com>


Some clown out there has configured their system send DSNs to the from header
instead of the envelope from, as required per the RFCs.  I'm going to fire off
a note to them later.

Their DSN came from 'Mailer-Daemon <Mailer-Daemon at aa.bb.cc>' and as of yet I
have left LIKELY_BOUNCE_SENDERS with the default values.  Whichs leads to my
question, how did this message make it to the list?

>From the post log I have the following

Nov 03 04:26:53 2001 (962) post to list from mailer-daemon at aa.bb.cc, size=262,
success


>From Defaults.py

LIKELY_BOUNCE_SENDERS = ('daemon', 'mailer-daemon', 'postmaster',
                         'orphanage', 'postoffice')


Another question:  Where might I find the code that deals with the subject
prefix, the part that determines wether to add it or not?  I've seen some
posts to my list which have the prefix twice, appears that the client inserted
a space at the beginning, i.e. ' Re: blah' instead of 'Re: blah' and mailman
inserted the subject prefix, though it was already present.



Thanks,
Chad





From glen at kk7ih.net  Sun Nov  4 05:43:03 2001
From: glen at kk7ih.net (T. Glen Haggard)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:43:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
Message-ID: <002101c164eb$31b4a8e0$7208a940@dusty>

We are using Sendmail and Apache. Mailman creates a list and send a message
out with the URL links to configure it,but, the links do not work and when
you try to send mail back to it errors out. We added the aliases as
instructed but no luck. Any ideas?

Glen





From bob at nleaudio.com  Sun Nov  4 09:19:02 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 03:19:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce error hangs Mailman
Message-ID: <3BE4F9F6.14AB5C4D@nleaudio.com>

I just discovered a show-stopper for Mailman 2.0.6:

A user on one of my lists suddenly started bouncing messages.  The bounce causes qrunner to die
when it gets to that message, and stops processing files after that.  Here's the python errors:

Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):   File "/home/csc/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):      kids = main(lock)
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):   File "/home/csc/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):   File "/home/csc/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):   File "/home/csc/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):      addrs = func(msg)
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):   File "/home/csc/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):      if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/string.py", line 54, in lower
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605):      return s.lower()
Nov 04 02:56:01 2001 qrunner(2605): AttributeError :  'NoneType' object has no attribute 'lower'                             
And here's an example of a bounce coming from the offending user:

Received: by main.nlenet.net (mbox bob)
 (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Sun Nov  4 02:46:01 2001)
X-From_: postmaster at btconnect.com  Sun Nov  4 02:45:50 2001
>From bob  Sun Nov  4 02:45:50 2001
Return-Path: <postmaster at btconnect.com>
Delivered-To: bob at nlenet.net
Received: from c2bapps1.btconnect.com (c2bapps1.btconnect.com [193.113.209.21])
        by main.nlenet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ED8D113D126
        for <bob at nleaudio.com>; Sun,  4 Nov 2001 02:45:49 -0500 (EST)
Received: from btconnect.com by c2bapps1.btconnect.com id <g.02673-0 at c2bapps1.btconnect.com>; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:32 +0000
Message-Type: Delivery Report
X400-Received: by /ADMD= /C=WW/; Relayed; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:31 +0000
X400-Received: by mta c2bapps1-hme1 in /ADMD= /C=WW/; Relayed; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:31 +0000
X400-MTS-Identifier: [/ADMD= /C=WW/;c2bapps1.b:026710:20011104074531]
From: postmaster at btconnect.com
To: bob at nleaudio.com
Subject: Delivery Report (failure) for pr at allen-heath.com
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:32 +0000
Message-ID: <"c2bapps1.b:026710:20011104074531"@btconnect.com>
Content-Identifier: test
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; boundary="---Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-2672"
X-Mozilla-Status: 8001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
X-UIDL: 34456246710d0000


-----Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-2672

This report relates to your message:
Subject: test,
        Message-ID: <3BE4F1EC.8306C281 at nleaudio.com>,
        To: pr at allen-heath.com

of Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:31 +0000

Your message was not delivered to:
        pr at allen-heath.com
for the following reason:
Diagnostic was Unable to transfer, -1
Information MTA '62.6.150.133' gives error message 5.7.1 Unable to relay for pr at allen-heath.com

The Original Message follows:

-----Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-2672
Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: x400; mta c2bapps1-hme1 in /ADMD= /C=WW/
Arrival-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:00 +0000
DSN-Gateway: dns; c2bapps1.btconnect.com
X400-Conversion-Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:32 +0000
Original-Envelope-Id: [/ADMD= /C=WW/;<3BE4F1EC.8306C281 at nleaudio.com>]
X400-Content-Identifier: test
X400-Encoded-Info: ia5-text
X400-Content-Correlator: Subject: test,
        Message-ID: <3BE4F1EC.8306C281 at nleaudio.com>,
        To: pr at allen-heath.com

Original-Recipient: rfc822; pr at allen-heath.com
Final-Recipient: x400; /RFC-822=pr(a)allen-heath.com/ADMD= /C=WW/
X400-Originally-Specified-Recipient-Number: 1
Action: failed
Diagnostic-Code: Reason 1 (Unable-To-Transfer); Diagnostic -1 (Unknown)
Status: 5.0.0
X400-Supplementary-Info: "MTA '62.6.150.133' gives error message 5.7.1 Unable to relay for pr(a)allen-heath.com"
X400-Last-Trace: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:00 +0000

-----Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-2672
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Received: from ns.nlenet.net by c2bapps1 with SMTP (XT-PP); Sun, 4 Nov 2001 07:45:00 +0000
Received: from nleaudio.com (66-133-142-213.roc.frontiernet.net [66.133.142.213])
        by ns.nlenet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E354A770C
        for <pr at allen-heath.com>; Sun,  4 Nov 2001 02:44:57 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <3BE4F1EC.8306C281 at nleaudio.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 02:44:44 -0500
From: "Bob Puff at NLE" <bob at nleaudio.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: pr at allen-heath.com
Subject: test
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

test, please disregard.

-----Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-2672--

This was a bomb that kept me up till the wee hours tracing down.  I looked through the bug reports,
found something similar, but there was no fix!  Yikes!  This needs fixing asap!

Bob



From kender at greenrider.org  Sun Nov  4 18:01:41 2001
From: kender at greenrider.org (Kender)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:01:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman question - Periods in my reply domain names?
Message-ID: <007101c16552$5fdb0f40$2a01a8c0@KERILINTH>

Hello!

I am running the latest version of Mailman (2.0.6) on Mandrake  8.1 (using Postfix).

Wierd happening. Mail to the mailing list goes out, but the default Reply-To address is set to <replyaddy>@.<domainname>

Why is that period appearing after the @? I can't find it in any of the mailing list setups, in the docs, or anything.. I am really confused by this. (And it does happen in all of my mailing lists)

Thanks for any help!

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From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Mon Nov  5 01:12:04 2001
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:12:04 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Q) Rejecting mail from outside local system
Message-ID: <20011105001204.A14331@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>

Is there a simple way of only allowing posters
from a given domain or domains?
Eg can I use wildcards (eg *@*.tcd.ie) when specifying allowed posters?

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland



From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Mon Nov  5 01:14:23 2001
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:14:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Q) Can I reject all postings in HTML?
Message-ID: <20011105001423.A14590@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>

The mailman spam-filter seems to only allow regexp's applied to headers.
Is there any simple way of rejecting eg all postings
whose body starts with <html> or <HTML> ?

-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov  5 01:38:13 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:38:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Q) Can I reject all postings in HTML?
In-Reply-To: <20011105001423.A14590@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>
References: <20011105001423.A14590@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <01110419381302.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Sunday 04 November 2001 19:14, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> The mailman spam-filter seems to only allow regexp's applied to headers.
> Is there any simple way of rejecting eg all postings
> whose body starts with <html> or <HTML> ?

This is not a function of mailman, but check out Procmail or MimeDefang.  
In particular, I believe that MimeDefang will do exactly what you want 
(which is not what you asked...)

Jon Carnes



From david.farrar at parliament.govt.nz  Mon Nov  5 04:29:40 2001
From: david.farrar at parliament.govt.nz (David Farrar)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 16:29:40 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable posting of a specific user
Message-ID: <6D5631C49C272947ACB5E7236535934AA2DC70@psex02.ps.ad.parliament.govt.nz>

Under the Privacy section there is a field called "Addresses whose
postings are always held for approval" which will do what you want if
you stick them in there.

DPF

-----Original Message-----
From: Rodolfo Pilas [mailto:rodolfo at linux.org.uy]
Sent: Saturday, 3 November 2001 07:47 a.m.
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disable posting of a specific user


Is there are any way to dislable user posting into a list?

I wish to have some users that can read but not posting.  

It is the same for me that the possible post may be send to the admin to
be approved, for this reason I ask:

It is possible to moderate the posting of a specific user?

 
(I have Mailman 2.1a2)


-- 

 Rodolfo Pilas                Quien los puso a estos tipos donde estan,
 rodolfo at linux.org.uy         Quien los deja seguir en su lugar,
 http://rodolfo.pilas.net     Quien los baja ahora de su altar,
 ICQ #17461636                Quien les paga para que hagan lo que haran
 http://xtralinux.org         -=# Apocalipsis Now % Cuarteto de Nos #=-

  Public GnuPG key: http://www.keyserver.net 1024D/57153363 2001-06-02
  key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0  48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Kip at aadl.org  Mon Nov  5 06:46:19 2001
From: Kip at aadl.org (Kip DeGraaf)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 00:46:19 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible to allow web-unsubscribe without a password?
Message-ID: <F7DFC6CB0DE3D411AE1C00AA00ACEA1767BD68@exchange.aadl.org>

My boss wants to have a list, but wants it absolutely easy to unsubscribe
from and wants me to have a link at the bottom of every message that will go
to a page for unsubscribing.

But he doesn't like the password requirement and he doesn't care that it
prevents people from unsubscribing others.  He wants people who want out to
be able to do it as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

Is there a way to configure Mailman to allow this?



From schlade3 at home.com  Mon Nov  5 07:12:11 2001
From: schlade3 at home.com (Christopher Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:12:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible to allow web-unsubscribe without a password?
In-Reply-To: <F7DFC6CB0DE3D411AE1C00AA00ACEA1767BD68@exchange.aadl.org>
Message-ID: <000001c165c0$ce882680$6cad0918@ogden1.ut.home.com>

I was able to get around this by setting the same password for each
addition to the list when they sign up, using a script, and then using
another cgi script to send the unsubscribe emails with that same
password.  

Its transparent, the user never knows the difference. 

===
Christopher Johnson
schlade3 at home.com


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Kip DeGraaf
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 10:46 PM
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible to allow web-unsubscribe without a
password?

My boss wants to have a list, but wants it absolutely easy to
unsubscribe
from and wants me to have a link at the bottom of every message that
will go
to a page for unsubscribing.

But he doesn't like the password requirement and he doesn't care that it
prevents people from unsubscribing others.  He wants people who want out
to
be able to do it as quickly and as painlessly as possible.

Is there a way to configure Mailman to allow this?

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Mon Nov  5 08:18:55 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:18:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work 
Message-ID: <0111051004.AA1004944569@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

On Friday 02 November 2001 09:53, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100
>
> Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com> wrote:
> > By the way, your messages do not thread in the mailman user
> > maillist archive. Which MUA are you using?
>
> exmh.  Quoting the headers from this very message:
>
>   In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com>
>      of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100."
> <0111021004.AA1004693972 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> References: 
> <0111021004.AA1004693972 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
>

There are gone when the message arrives at my workstation (at least, kmail 
'show all headers' does not reveal them). Neither in the copy received from 
your not the one sent by the list.

Do you have any any why your messages do not hread in the mailman user
maillist archive? In other words, could it be that the mail system at 
python.org does not see those headers too?

-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Mon Nov  5 08:59:00 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:59:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting subscribtions from outside a certain domain
Message-ID: <0111051004.AA1004946977@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

A variety of Timothy question:

Is there a simple way to limit subscriptions to a certain domain? We intent 
to have a list which is used to discuss items confidential to an organization 
and want to prevent messages being sent to xxxx at hotmail.com etc.

I know I can approve individual subscriptions, but it would be so much easier 
to set a filter which must match all email addresses. 
-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 11:07:17 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 05 Nov 2001 10:07:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation email loop
In-Reply-To: <20011102183712.B4370@mems-exchange.org>
References: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com> 
	<20011102183712.B4370@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <1004954839.9432.6.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Fri, 2001-11-02 at 23:37, Greg Ward wrote:
> I believe that "stupid autoresponders" is one of the canonical reasons
> why reply-to "the list" is Considered Harmful.  IOW, if you insist on
> having reply-to "the list", you will probably have to live with this
> annoyance.

Stupid autoresponders appear to be endlessly inventive - matched in
ingenuity only by stupid virus scanners (which reinject scanned mail
into a system with the wrong recipients).

Autoresponders manage to come up with ways of re-injecting mail to
mailing lists even when reply-to list is not set (although setting list
reply-to is a good way of provoking them, and hideously bad for other
reasons).

I wonder if its possible to come up with a better set of filters in the
Mailman pipeline to pick up bad autoresponders automatically and push
their output to the moderation queue.  It would then be useful to have a
couple more options on the moderation interface:-
  - this user/autoreply pattern is OK
  - this user has a broken autoresponder - suspend them
  - this user has a broken autoresponder - unsub them
  - this user has a broken autoresponder - ban them permanently
    from the list server (including ubsub from all lists)
[I would like to have the nuke option too, but this appears subject to
network infrastructure requirements at present]


	Nigel.




From ck at ub.fu-berlin.de  Mon Nov  5 13:32:35 2001
From: ck at ub.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Krempe)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:32:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim+mailman deliver error
Message-ID: <72670000.1004963555@ub3660>

Hi!

I just set up exim+mailman using the documentation
http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html, putting the new directories and 
transport as the begininh of every section. I startet with a list 
"testliste".

Sending confirmation of subscription for a new subsriber I get the 
error-message:

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  testliste-request at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from 
command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

Writing to testliste-owner at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de I get the error message

  testliste-owner at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de
    unknown local-part "testliste-owner" in domain "hal.ub.fu-berlin.de"

Mailing to "testliste" I get the error

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  testliste at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper


Whats wrong here?

  Gruss
   Ch. Krempe
  ________________________________________________________________________

   Freie Universitaet Berlin     Christoph Krempe
    Universitaetsbibliothek
      - Rechenzentrum -          Systemverwaltung
   Garystrasse 39
   14195 Berlin
   Germany                       Tel: +0049/30/838 54583
                                 Fax: +0049/30/838 54582
                                 e-mail: ck at ub.fu-berlin.de
                                 URL:http://www.ub.fu-berlin.de/~ck
  ________________________________________________________________________




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov  5 15:03:59 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q
In-Reply-To: <ADEMLOBFGEIJFLICIBBPOEEDCAAA.erdenbat2001@earthlink.net>
References: <ADEMLOBFGEIJFLICIBBPOEEDCAAA.erdenbat2001@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20011105090359.A5210@mems-exchange.org>

On 02 November 2001, Batu Eerdun said:
> I use windows 2000, may I set up mailing list?
> it looks like tuning on the Uinx machine, right?

>From http://list.org/download.html:

  Mailman currently runs only on Unix-y systems, such as Linux, Solaris,
  *BSD, etc. It should work on MacOSX but not earlier versions of
  MacOS. It probably does not work on Windows, although it's possible
  you could get it running on a Cygwin system (please let the developer
  community know if you have success with this!)

-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov  5 15:33:02 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 09:33:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim+mailman deliver error
In-Reply-To: <72670000.1004963555@ub3660>
References: <72670000.1004963555@ub3660>
Message-ID: <20011105093302.C5210@mems-exchange.org>

On 05 November 2001, Christoph Krempe said:
> Hi!
> 
> I just set up exim+mailman using the documentation
> http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html, putting the new directories and 
> transport as the begininh of every section. I startet with a list 
> "testliste".
> 
> Sending confirmation of subscription for a new subsriber I get the 
> error-message:
> 
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
> 
>  testliste-request at hal.ub.fu-berlin.de
>    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from 
> command:
>    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

The Mailman script is crashing.  You should tell Exim to put the output
of the script in the bounce message (try the "return_output" option to
the relevant pipe transport).  Also, check your Exim and Mailman logs
for the exact error message.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jobrooks at us.dhl.com  Mon Nov  5 16:51:24 2001
From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:51:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (Q) Rejecting mail from outside local system
References: <20011105001204.A14331@salmon.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <3BE6B57C.128AC6AB@us.dhl.com>

Timothy Murphy wrote:
> 
> Is there a simple way of only allowing posters
> from a given domain or domains?
> Eg can I use wildcards (eg *@*.tcd.ie) when specifying allowed posters?

I had to cook up a procmail filter and add it to the filters
directory.  Seems to have worked for the several lists that wanted
to implement it, so I must've gotten it right  :)

I'm rather new to procmail, so it took a whole lot of scouring thru
the mailman-users and majordomo-users archives at marc.theaimsgroup.com
but those examples helped immensely.   This is what I ended up with,
in a filter I called "restricts":

	:0
	* !^From:.*@.*\.dhl\.com
	|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner ${MAILMAN}
	
	:0
	|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN}

and the alias entry looks like:

testing: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN='testing' /home/mailman/filters/r
estricts"

Hope this helps.


Jo Brooks
DHL Worldwide Express
Systems Support Group



From lothian at cs.utk.edu  Mon Nov  5 17:19:08 2001
From: lothian at cs.utk.edu (Josh Lothian)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:19:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop monthly password reminders?
Message-ID: <20011105111908.A8606@corona.cs.utk.edu>

Hi all,

Quick question:  I've looked through most of the options available
to a list admin, and I can't find one to disable the monthly password
reminders.  I know this sounds like a bad idea, but we have a secretary
who maintains quite a few mailing lists for out department, and we'd like
to switch her over to mailman.  However, we probably don't want students
to be able to unsubscribe themselves from certain of our announcement-type
mailing lists.  Any ideas?  Am I missing something simple?

Thanks much,

Josh Lothian
System Administrator
University of Tennessee, Department of Computer Science



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov  5 17:28:41 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop monthly password reminders?
In-Reply-To: <20011105111908.A8606@corona.cs.utk.edu>
References: <20011105111908.A8606@corona.cs.utk.edu>
Message-ID: <20011105112841.A5979@mems-exchange.org>

On 05 November 2001, Josh Lothian said:
> Quick question:  I've looked through most of the options available
> to a list admin, and I can't find one to disable the monthly password
> reminders.

In the "General Options" page is an option "Send monthly password
reminders or no?".  Just turn it off.

> I know this sounds like a bad idea, but we have a secretary
> who maintains quite a few mailing lists for out department, and we'd like
> to switch her over to mailman.  However, we probably don't want students
> to be able to unsubscribe themselves from certain of our announcement-type
> mailing lists.

Those pesky students can still get their password any time they like by
visiting the listinfo page.  So stupid students won't be able to
unsubscribe, but those with a clue will.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From barry at zope.com  Tue Nov  6 01:47:43 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:47:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bounce error hangs Mailman
References: <3BE4F9F6.14AB5C4D@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <15335.13103.672016.75549@anthem.wooz.org>

Here's a patch to at least avoid the traceback.  I'm heading out in a
few minutes, but I'll try to put together a real patch when I get
back.  This, plus the bogus cookie value DoS warrant a 2.0.7 release.

-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
Index: DSN.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py,v
retrieving revision 1.7.2.1
diff -u -r1.7.2.1 DSN.py
--- DSN.py	2001/07/25 18:04:42	1.7.2.1
+++ DSN.py	2001/11/06 00:46:32
@@ -43,8 +43,10 @@
 
 
 def process(msg):
-    if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \
-       string.lower(msg.getparam('report-type')) <> 'delivery-status':
+    ctype = msg.gettype()
+    param = msg.getparam('report-type') or ''
+    if string.lower(ctype) <> 'multipart/report' or \
+       string.lower(param) <> 'delivery-status':
         # then
         return None
     boundary = msg.getparam('boundary')



From aeverett at webintl.com  Tue Nov  6 02:45:37 2001
From: aeverett at webintl.com (Albert Everett)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:45:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] freebsd/postfix/courier-imap/mailman/mysql
Message-ID: <a05100303b80cee3db575@[192.168.123.20]>

I'm thinking of setting up a box like this for a client, using Maildir format.

Back in October of this year, someone on this list mentioned Mailman 
problems with courier-imap. Is it safe to assume that if that was the 
only question about it, then it's probably safe to proceed?

Any large reasons to go with cyrus over courier here?

Albert



From damir at voljatel.si  Tue Nov  6 10:43:06 2001
From: damir at voljatel.si (Damir Horvat)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 10:43:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list
Message-ID: <20011106104306.0b8571ba.damir@voljatel.si>

Hi!

A proper way to delete/shut-down the list ???

regards,
damir



From Postfixuser at aol.com  Tue Nov  6 10:47:28 2001
From: Postfixuser at aol.com (Postfixuser at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 04:47:28 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 spezial restrictions required from mailman
Message-ID: <1e.1dcdecfe.29190bb0@aol.com>

hello,  i have got to questions:

1. question:

we have got 100 deferent lists on a mailserver, but every user of a list 
should be allowd to post to all these lists at this server. The lists are all 
aowen from the same compyny be the lists are for spezial projects or groups.
Every member of the company should be able to post to all these lists, but 
not the hole world !!!!!!
how can i do that ????

2. question:

some of these lists should be restricted so, that only 3 or 5 persons, equal 
if the are member of this list or not, should post to this list, only these 
people !!! no one else. 
can i do this with mailman ????


thanks for your help


 
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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Nov  6 12:16:23 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:16:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list
In-Reply-To: <20011106104306.0b8571ba.damir@voljatel.si>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106111553.0351fd88@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 10:43 06/11/2001 +0100, Damir Horvat wrote:
>Hi!
>
>A proper way to delete/shut-down the list ???

try $prefix/bin/rmlist

>regards,
>damir
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Tue Nov  6 13:52:29 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:52:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosting: email sent by the list contain real host na
Message-ID: <0111061005.AA1005050932@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

We try to create a setup where all mailing list appear to be on 
"listserver.research.pgs.com". They actually are on 
"daphne.oslo.seres.pgs.com". 

I configured the following in mm.py:
# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
 
# DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash!
DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://listserver.research.pgs.com/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/lists'
 
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'listserver.research.pgs.com'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

All works fine, the URL and mail adresses in the body text of the mail 
generated  by the list is correct. However, the headers in the mails are 
refering to the actual hostname:

From: Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com>
To: <Test at daphne.oslo.seres.pgs.com>
Sender: test-admin at daphne.oslo.seres.pgs.com

What did I do wrong?

We run postfix as MTA for incoming mail. Outgoing is going directly to 
another SMTP server. 
-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Tue Nov  6 14:49:41 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 08:49:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.6 & Sendmail 8.12.1
Message-ID: <3BE7EA75.74CF36D5@abs-comptech.com>

I have a problem getting sendmail to enable the use of Mailman.  I am
migrating from MajorDomo, and therefore had to rename wrapper to
mailman_wrapper.  Here's my error message:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post test"
    (reason: Service unavailable)
    (expanded from: <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Message delivered to mailing list <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>
smrsh: mailman_wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable



Can anyone sed any light on this?

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Tue Nov  6 16:21:42 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.6 & Sendmail 8.12.1
References: <3BE7EA75.74CF36D5@abs-comptech.com> <20011106091941.B68860@inscriber.com>
Message-ID: <3BE80006.D148199B@abs-comptech.com>

Thank you, it is already there.

[root at ns root]# ls -l /etc/smrsh
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           34 Nov  6 08:20 mailman_wrapper ->
/home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper*
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           17 Feb  1  2001 vacation ->
/usr/bin/vacation*
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           26 Nov  5 15:14 wrapper ->
/usr/lib/majordomo/wrapper*
[root at ns root]#

Graham wrote:

> you need to have mailman_wrapper in the smrsh allowed executable
> directory.
>
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:49:41AM -0500, Albert E. Whale wrote:
> > I have a problem getting sendmail to enable the use of Mailman.  I am
> > migrating from MajorDomo, and therefore had to rename wrapper to
> > mailman_wrapper.  Here's my error message:
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post test"
> >     (reason: Service unavailable)
> >     (expanded from: <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > Message delivered to mailing list <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>
> > smrsh: mailman_wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
> >
> >
> >
> > Can anyone sed any light on this?
> >
> > --
> > Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
> > Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Tue Nov  6 16:35:19 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:35:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0.6 & Sendmail 8.12.1
References: <3BE7EA75.74CF36D5@abs-comptech.com> <20011106091941.B68860@inscriber.com>
Message-ID: <3BE80337.EC8D9AF5@abs-comptech.com>

Arrgh! Sendmail 8.12.1 moved smrsh to /usr/adm/sm.bin.

Thanks!  I appreciate the info!

Graham wrote:

> you need to have mailman_wrapper in the smrsh allowed executable
> directory.
>
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:49:41AM -0500, Albert E. Whale wrote:
> > I have a problem getting sendmail to enable the use of Mailman.  I am
> > migrating from MajorDomo, and therefore had to rename wrapper to
> > mailman_wrapper.  Here's my error message:
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post test"
> >     (reason: Service unavailable)
> >     (expanded from: <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > Message delivered to mailing list <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>
> > smrsh: mailman_wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
> >
> >
> >
> > Can anyone sed any light on this?
> >
> > --
> > Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
> > Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From jra at gbis.com  Tue Nov  6 19:09:21 2001
From: jra at gbis.com (john anderson)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 10:09:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no response after request confirmation [yet another...]
Message-ID: <3BE82751.4070501@gbis.com>

this is my first mailman install...

my setup:
redhat 7.x
mailman-2.0.6-1 rpm
sendmail 8.11.6-1.7.0 rpm


i got the dreaded (run from /var/mailman/) bin/check_perms error:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./bin/check_perms", line 50, in ?
    MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

thought i'd try stuff out anyway; web pages came up fine, did a newlist to create a test list and received the list owner mail (Your new mailing list: foo) 

tried a web subscribe as a user and received the confirmation mail, replied to it (all from outside the domain of mailman) and the mail is received and delivered, presumably thru the  entry in /etc/aliases for the list wrapper (newaliases was invoked previously)

/var/log/maillog shows successful delivery. in logs/subscribe the pending entry sits, waiting. i'm not guru enough to sift further... any ideas? 

what else? crontab is enabled  using "crontab -u mailman cron/crontab.in"; apache conf seems right, localhost is pingable.

i'm suspicious of check_perms failure... for the record, the uid/gid is a sub-100 number that rpm grabbed. let me have it dan mick... i'm ready.


thanks.
-- 
--
John Anderson
jra at gbis.com
Reno, Nevada USA






From cpowell at asciences.com  Tue Nov  6 19:16:27 2001
From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:16:27 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
Message-ID: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCED@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>

How do I stop subscriber's auto-responses from auto-replying directly to the
list?
Thanks.

Camille



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov  6 19:17:56 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:17:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
In-Reply-To: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCED@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
References: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCED@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
Message-ID: <20011106131756.B17237@mems-exchange.org>

On 06 November 2001, Camille K. Powell said:
> How do I stop subscriber's auto-responses from auto-replying directly to the
> list?

Send mail to the postmaster at the subscriber's domain, politely
asking them to shut off the brain-damaged auto-responder.  If that
doesn't work, block the subscriber in some way: disable their
subscription, don't allow them to post, etc.

        Greg



From cpowell at asciences.com  Tue Nov  6 19:26:04 2001
From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:26:04 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
Message-ID: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCF5@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>

Thanks, but I hope there's a better way.  I just switched from EZMLM to
Mailmain and I never had this problem.  The auto-replies used to go to the
person that posted the message, not to the list.

Camille

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Ward [mailto:gward at mems-exchange.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:18 PM
To: Camille K. Powell
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses


On 06 November 2001, Camille K. Powell said:
> How do I stop subscriber's auto-responses from auto-replying directly to
the
> list?

Send mail to the postmaster at the subscriber's domain, politely
asking them to shut off the brain-damaged auto-responder.  If that
doesn't work, block the subscriber in some way: disable their
subscription, don't allow them to post, etc.

        Greg



From ljacobs at shambhala.com  Tue Nov  6 19:27:57 2001
From: ljacobs at shambhala.com (Leonard Jacobs)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] resolving qfiles stuck in the queue
Message-ID: <3BE7E55D.13726.2154F0A@localhost>

After doing a bulk mailing with Mailman 2.0 I receive errors such as 
this one (in logs/smtp-failure) on the many undeliverables:

Nov 06 13:20:12 2001 (1571) 450 hgbrede at hooked.net 
(<hgbrede at hooked.net>... Can not check MX records for recipient 
host hooked.net)

What is the best course of action in order to clear the queue and 
yet resolve the undeliverable addresses?

===========================

  Leonard Jacobs
  Shambhala Publications
  300 Massachusetts Avenue
  Boston, MA 02115
  http://www.shambhala.com
  (617) 424-6277, ext. 235 voice
  (617) 236-1563 fax



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov  6 20:14:00 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 14:14:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
In-Reply-To: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCF5@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
References: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCF5@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
Message-ID: <20011106141400.A17425@mems-exchange.org>

On 06 November 2001, Camille K. Powell said:
> Thanks, but I hope there's a better way.  I just switched from EZMLM to
> Mailmain and I never had this problem.  The auto-replies used to go to the
> person that posted the message, not to the list.

That may have something to do with the fact that ezmlm crafts a separate
message, with a unique SMTP sender, for each message to each list
member.  That's more expensive (in temporary storage, bandwidth, and
CPU) than Mailman's approach, but probably makes bounce-handling much
simpler for ezmlm than it is for Mailman.

On reflection, I can't understand why a auto-responder would send
auto-responses to the *list*.  They should either go to the list admin
address (if the autoresponder looks at the SMTP sender) or to the
original sender (if it looks at the "From" header).  Eg. here are some
headers from my last post to this list:
it do so!):

  Return-path: <mailman-users-admin at python.org>
  [...skip Received headers...]
  To: "Camille K. Powell" <cpowell at asciences.com>
  Cc: mailman-users at python.org
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
  Message-ID: <20011106131756.B17237 at mems-exchange.org>
  [...]
  From: Greg Ward <gward at mems-exchange.org>
  Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
  Errors-To: mailman-users-admin at python.org
  X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
  X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 (101270)
  Precedence: bulk
  List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
  List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
  List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
          <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
  List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
  List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
          <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
  List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

An autoresponder that receives this message should either look at the
return-path (a header for the SMTP sender), or the "From" header, or the
"Sender" header.  In none of those cases would it auto-respond to
mailman-users at python.org.

Hmmm: you don't happen to have "Reply-to the list" set on your list, do
you?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From vjl at www.seweb.uci.edu  Tue Nov  6 20:24:41 2001
From: vjl at www.seweb.uci.edu (vjl at www.seweb.uci.edu)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:24:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.6, postfix, and MTA var
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0111061120060.17164-100000@web2.soceco.uci.edu>

Hi all,

According to the 'README.POSTFIX' docs on CVS, there is a variable called,
"MTA" that one can add to one's mm_cfg.py file. This, along with other
steps, would allow Mailman to automaticly change its local alias file and
when postfix notices it, postfix would then allow incoming mail to these
aliases. This would mean that one doesn't have to manually input the
aliases into Mailman's local alias each time one adds/deletes a list.

Is this functionality also in 2.0.6? I do not have a Mailman/MTA
directory, like the docs state, so I'm assuming this is a new feature in
2.1, but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks,

/vjl/




From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Nov  6 21:39:49 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:39:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.6, postfix, and MTA var 
In-Reply-To: Message from <vjl@www.seweb.uci.edu> 
   of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 11:24:41 PST." <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0111061120060.17164-100000@web2.soceco.uci.edu> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0111061120060.17164-100000@web2.soceco.uci.edu> 
Message-ID: <12721.1005079189@2wire.com>

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 11:24:41 -0800 (PST) 
vjl  <vjl at www.seweb.uci.edu> wrote:

> Hi all, According to the 'README.POSTFIX' docs on CVS, there is a
> variable called, "MTA" that one can add to one's mm_cfg.py
> file. This, along with other steps, would allow Mailman to
> automaticly change its local alias file and when postfix notices
> it, postfix would then allow incoming mail to these aliases. This
> would mean that one doesn't have to manually input the aliases
> into Mailman's local alias each time one adds/deletes a list.

This is 2.1 specific.

However, you do not *need* an alias file.  While its a little more
difficult than under Exim, you can configure Postfix to not need an
alias file for Mailman lists at all.  Search the list archives (I
think for -developers) for instructions.
-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Nov  6 21:41:25 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:41:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] resolving qfiles stuck in the queue 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Leonard Jacobs" <ljacobs@shambhala.com> 
   of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:27:57 EST." <3BE7E55D.13726.2154F0A@localhost> 
References: <3BE7E55D.13726.2154F0A@localhost> 
Message-ID: <12753.1005079285@2wire.com>

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:27:57 -0500 
Leonard Jacobs <ljacobs at shambhala.com> wrote:

> What is the best course of action in order to clear the queue and
> yet resolve the undeliverable addresses?

Configure your MTA to not do DNS verifies on messages received from
localhost.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From rmusci at nautilus.org  Tue Nov  6 21:47:45 2001
From: rmusci at nautilus.org (Ricky Musci)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:47:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modular e-mail
Message-ID: <017901c16704$496af140$2901a8c0@Christine>

Hey,
    I was wondering if Mailman had the capacity to deliver individualized e-mails through a list. We'd like to be able to address each of our recipients by their first name in the e-mail body. We have all of that information in a database, but we've been unable to get it to work with our current application, NTMail. Thanks for your time.


Ricky Musci
The Nautilus Institute
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From rmusci at nautilus.org  Tue Nov  6 22:01:59 2001
From: rmusci at nautilus.org (Ricky Musci)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:01:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modular e-mail
Message-ID: <001e01c16706$4673bf60$2901a8c0@Christine>

Hey,
    I was wondering if Mailman had the capacity to deliver =
individualized e-mails through a list. We'd like to be able to address =
each of our recipients by their first name in the e-mail body. We have =
all of that information in a database, but we've been unable to get it =
to work with our current application, NTMail. Thanks for your time.


Ricky Musci
The Nautilus Institute




From claw at 2wire.com  Tue Nov  6 22:08:04 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:08:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modular e-mail 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ricky Musci" <rmusci@nautilus.org> 
   of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:47:45 PST." <017901c16704$496af140$2901a8c0@Christine> 
References: <017901c16704$496af140$2901a8c0@Christine> 
Message-ID: <13035.1005080884@2wire.com>

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 12:47:45 -0800 
Ricky Musci <rmusci at nautilus.org> wrote:

> Hey, I was wondering if Mailman had the capacity to deliver
> individualized e-mails through a list. We'd like to be able to
> address each of our recipients by their first name in the e-mail
> body. We have all of that information in a database, but we've
> been unable to get it to work with our current application,
> NTMail. Thanks for your time.
 
Not currently, and not in near term plans.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Tue Nov  6 22:36:49 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:36:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 - Failed to exec script
Message-ID: <3BE857F0.A19158CA@abs-comptech.com>

This is a Linux Server running Sendmail 8.12.1 .... any ideas what the
problem is??

The original message was received at Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:27:56 -0500
from IDENT:smmsp at localhost [127.0.0.1]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/mailman_wrapper post test"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Message delivered to mailing list <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
12?)
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From margy at gurus.com  Tue Nov  6 22:55:57 2001
From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 16:55:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber profiles
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106165334.01550220@imap.iecc.com>

I know that subscriber profiles are on the wishlist for MailMan 3.0 and 
that there is a patch for it. It's at 
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=433767&group_id=103&atid=300103>

We're switching from ListProc to MailMan with 200 lists and 12000 
subscribers. We're not happy about losing the ability to store subscribers' 
names. Has anyone used the subscriber profiles patch?

TIA!

Margy Levine Young <margy at gurus.com>
Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" <http://net.gurus.com> and "Poor
Richard's Building Online Communities" <http://www.topfloor.com>. Looking
for kids' videos? Check out <http://www.greattapes.com>




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov  6 23:15:21 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:15:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Camille K. Powell" <cpowell@asciences.com> 
   of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:16:27 EST." <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCED@mail.asciences-survey-research.com> 
References: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCED@mail.asciences-survey-research.com> 
Message-ID: <8137.1005084921@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:16:27 -0500 
Camille K Powell <cpowell at asciences.com> wrote:

> How do I stop subscriber's auto-responses from auto-replying
> directly to the list?  

In a literal sense you don't and you can't.  The problem is that
Mailman already does all the Right Things to trap and prevent this
sort of silliness, but there is nothing to ensure that the various
auto-responders also play by the rules (and many of them,
particularly under Windows) DON'T play by the rules.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov  6 23:29:37 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:29:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work 
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> 
   of "Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:18:55 +0100." <0111051004.AA1004944569@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
References: <0111051004.AA1004944569@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> 
Message-ID: <8259.1005085777@kanga.nu>

CC'ed to -developers to note that pipermail's threading seems either
broken/fragile, and to note that the mbox archives for the -users
list are borked (early apparency is that Pipermail is excessively
restrictive on In-Reply-To header field formats).

On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:18:55 +0100 
Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com> wrote:

> On Friday 02 November 2001 09:53, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100

>> exmh.  Quoting the headers from this very message:
>> 
>> In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com> of
>> "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100."
>> <0111021004.AA1004693972 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> References:
>> <0111021004.AA1004693972 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

> There are gone when the message arrives at my workstation (at
> least, kmail 'show all headers' does not reveal them). Neither in
> the copy received from your not the one sent by the list.

Which is then a problem with your mail setup, and is not specific to
either the mail I send, or the mailman lists at Python.Org.  Quoting
the full headers from another message I sent to this forum:

--<cut>>--
X-envelope-from: mailman-users-admin at python.org Tue Nov 06 12:46:03 2001
Return-path: <mailman-users-admin at python.org>
Envelope-to: claw at localhost
Delivery-date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:46:03 -0800
Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1]
	by dingo.home.kanga.nu with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian))
	id 161D6h-0001ns-00; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:46:03 -0800
Delivered-to: claw at kanga.nu
Received: from kanga.nu [157.22.12.214]
	by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.3)
	for claw at localhost (single-drop); Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:46:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [63.102.49.29])
	by bush.kanga.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCEE12E27
	for <claw at kanga.nu>; Tue,  6 Nov 2001 12:44:44 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org)
	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 3.21 #1)
	id 161D30-0000fp-00; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:42:14 -0500
Received: from [63.203.253.2] (helo=localhost)
	by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 3.21 #1)
	id 161D2h-0000bB-00
	for mailman-users at python.org; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:41:55 -0500
Received: from 2wire.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP
	id 4338E129A; Tue,  6 Nov 2001 12:41:25 -0800 (PST)
In-reply-to: Message from "Leonard Jacobs" <ljacobs at shambhala.com>
   of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:27:57 EST." <3BE7E55D.13726.2154F0A at localhost> 
References: <3BE7E55D.13726.2154F0A at localhost>
X-message-flag: Are you sure that Microsoft Outlook is good enough for you to use?
X-accepted-file-formats: text/plain preferred, Postscript and PDF accepted - *NO* Micosoft Office files please.
X-face: ?<YUs-cNP1\Oc-H>^_yw at fA`CEX&}--=*&XqXbF-oePvxaT4(kyt\nwM9]{]N!>b^K}-Mb9
 YH%saz^>nq5usBlD"s{(.h'_w|U^3ldUq7wVZz$`u>MB(-4$f\a6Eu8.e=Pf\
X-image-url: http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/kanga.face.tiff
X-url: http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
Message-id: <12753.1005079285 at 2wire.com>
Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
Errors-to: mailman-users-admin at python.org
X-beenthere: mailman-users at python.org
X-mailman-version: 2.0.6 (101270)
Precedence: bulk
List-help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
List-id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
List-unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] resolving qfiles stuck in the queue
From: J C Lawrence <claw at 2wire.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:41:25 -0800
To: Ljacobs at shambhala.com
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
--<cut>>--

Unfortunately the mbox files for the archives at python.org are
borked, but checking other posts of mine there universally show
correct in-Reply-To: and References: headers.  eg:

--<cut>>--
>From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov  1 18:00:37 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:00:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman at pgs.com>
 of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100." <0111011004.AA1004610438 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
References: <0111011004.AA1004610438 at lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
Message-ID: <29859.1004637637 at kanga.nu>
--<cut>>--

> Do you have any any why your messages do not hread in the mailman
> user maillist archive? 

No.

> In other words, could it be that the mail
> system at python.org does not see those headers too?

No.  This would appear to be another Pipermail bug.  As you can see
here:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/MUD-Dev-L/2001Q4/thread.php#00434

my messages thread properly under MHonArc (a tool I know handles
thread headers properly).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From davidc at bonair.stanford.edu  Sun Nov  4 07:28:28 2001
From: davidc at bonair.stanford.edu (David Chait)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 22:28:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail and Mailman...Does anyone have a "howto" that will make this work?
Message-ID: <015f01c164f9$f41b03d0$6701a8c0@laptop>

Greetings,
    Call me ignorant, but I can't seem to get Qmail and Mailman to co-exist. My major issue is with the alias files that are required, qmail does not seem to like multiple -'s in an address, and seems to treat them as delimiters for virtual domains. Aside from that everything seems to work fine. This is a RH 7.2 based system running qmail 1.0.3 with dot forward, and fastforward. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
David Chait

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From goran.frojdh at aftonbladet.se  Sun Nov  4 11:06:21 2001
From: goran.frojdh at aftonbladet.se (G=?ISO-8859-1?B?9nJhbiBGcvY=?=jdh)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:06:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in mailman 2.06
Message-ID: <B80AD1AC.1EA4C%goran.frojdh@aftonbladet.se>

Hi.
I'm encountering bugs with the latest mailman release. Everything seems to
be working with the exception of the images not showing up at the bottom of
the page (everything is at default locations), and - more seriously - the
Admindb which doesn't load at all. I.e, I can't access the page for admin
requests. This is the message i get:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6


We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.


---

The pages can be found here:
http://dev.fragzone.se/mailman/admindb/crew
http://dev.fragzone.se/mailman/listinfo/crew

System: FreeBSD 4.4, compiled with cgi-owner as nobody:nogroup.

Regards, Goran




From suport at pangea.org  Sun Nov  4 13:44:02 2001
From: suport at pangea.org (Pangea)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 13:44:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011104133934.00a1c570@mail.pangea.org>

How can I (administrator) get the suscriber list for mail?

I send "who" and response private list (My configutaion is only administrator).

I send "who password" and response error.

Thanks

P.D. Sorry for my grammatic but I don?t speak English




From gvsmony at inapp.com  Mon Nov  5 09:08:27 2001
From: gvsmony at inapp.com (V.S.Mony)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:38:27 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
Message-ID: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>

Hai,
 I have installed mailman in my machine and is managing the mailing lists for one domain. It has multiple domains hosted on it. Can one single installation of mailman be used to manage mailing lists for multiple domains? 

Thanks in advance

Venkat
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Nov  5 16:47:48 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 07:47:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation email loop
In-Reply-To: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com>; from clark.cooper@vc3.com on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:22:53PM -0500
References: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com>
Message-ID: <20011105074748.A4783@magic.merlins.org>

On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:22:53PM -0500, Clark Cooper wrote:
> I had a situation where a user on one of my lists had the vacation utility
> turned on and a posting to the list resulted in a looped email because the
> vacation email response was then posted and on and on.  The reply-to posts
> option has been set to "the list" and I would like to keep this setting.  Is

I take it, you've already read the pro (no 's') and cons
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html

> there any setting that can be changed to keep this from happening?  I can

Outside of removing the reply to, which will catch many but not all of those
problems, my usual answer is to blackhole the server the Emails came from,
and send the following to the postmaster:
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/autoresponders.txt

Broken autoresponders should not be tolerated.

> not always depend on the user disabling their account on the list server.  I
> need a way for the list server to recoginize this looping is happening and
> take action.

considering  that  many  of  those broken  autoresponders  don't  quote  the
original message, or use headers like in-reply-to and so forth, it's hard.
The only  thing that would  always work would be  to throttle the  number of
messages per user per unit of time  and disable anyone who posts more than 5
times a minute let's say.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From clcs at klink.net  Tue Nov  6 15:09:19 2001
From: clcs at klink.net (Brian McIntosh)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 09:09:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues
Message-ID: <3BE7EF0F.3E91E128@klink.net>

My provider is switching to Mailman from Majordomo. I like a lot of the
features BUT I need to be able to edit the messages before they go out!
My list is mostly made up of non computer savy users and I need to edit
links, spelling, format and of course the ever present FWD FWD FWD FWD
FWD FWD.

I like to remove all the extra tracking information also. -- This is a
closed list and we know who everyone is that joins. We require the
information and keep it filed in a seperate database.

Is there someway I can do this and still show who sent in the
information?

Thanks
Brian McIntosh brian at clcsinc.com
Canada Lake Computer Services Inc  clcs at klink.net
Alliance for America brian at allianceforamerica.org
AFALIST afalist at klink.net





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov  6 23:42:19 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:42:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 - Failed to exec script
In-Reply-To: <3BE857F0.A19158CA@abs-comptech.com>
References: <3BE857F0.A19158CA@abs-comptech.com>
Message-ID: <20011106174219.A18588@mems-exchange.org>

On 06 November 2001, Albert E. Whale said:
> This is a Linux Server running Sendmail 8.12.1 .... any ideas what the
> problem is??
[...]
> Message delivered to mailing list <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
> 12?)
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

The problem is that Mailman wanted to run under gid 0, but actually ran
under gid 12.  You have to either reconfigure and rebuild Mailman, or
fix your MTAs config to match Mailman's expectations (which are
hard-coded in the Mailman "wrapper" binary).

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From john at nisus.com  Wed Nov  7 00:22:56 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:22:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending
Message-ID: <l03130308b80e1d695a6a@[207.215.130.171]>

Mac OS X.1
mailman 2.0.6
sendmail 8.10.2

I've finally gotten it to the point that people can get to the
web pages, do the sign up, receive the "please confirm" message.
But that's as far as it seems to go.

When I look in mailman's subscribe log, I see that the
request is pending; the smtp log is a sequence of
"smtp for 1 recips, completed", and the error log is empty.
When I look in sendmail's log, I see that the response to
the confirmation request has been received from whomever,
and sent to the listname-admin address with stat=Sent.

The crontab looks reasonable, cron is running...

I found several references to "pending" status in recent
digests, but don't see analogs to the files folks were
recommended to check on other OSs.

What should I look at next?

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From viewelk at avci.net  Wed Nov  7 01:18:16 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:18:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues
References: <3BE7EF0F.3E91E128@klink.net>
Message-ID: <005c01c16721$b38c90c0$114a9ad0@g1u3v7>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Brian McIntosh <>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:09 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues


> My provider is switching to Mailman from Majordomo. I like a lot of the
> features BUT I need to be able to edit the messages before they go out!
> My list is mostly made up of non computer savy users and I need to edit
> links, spelling, format and of course the ever present FWD FWD FWD FWD
> FWD FWD.
> 
> I like to remove all the extra tracking information also. -- This is a
> closed list and we know who everyone is that joins. We require the
> information and keep it filed in a seperate database.
> 
> Is there someway I can do this and still show who sent in the
> information?
> 
> Thanks
> Brian McIntosh brian at clcsinc.com
> Canada Lake Computer Services Inc  clcs at klink.net
> Alliance for America brian at allianceforamerica.org
> AFALIST afalist at klink.net
> 

Hey Brian,
                Editing of mails can be done on MODERATED mails.
I haven't a clue how many subscribers you have? 
If you had to approve and edit or delete every mail on a large subscriber base you wouldn't have much time for anything else. Sleep included.

As a test subscribe yourself and send some useless garbage for editing.
                     Best          Don

                     Best          Don





From viewelk at avci.net  Wed Nov  7 01:22:52 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:22:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011104133934.00a1c570@mail.pangea.org>
Message-ID: <006201c16722$57d4d700$114a9ad0@g1u3v7>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Pangea <>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:44 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list


> How can I (administrator) get the suscriber list for mail?
> 
> I send "who" and response private list (My configutaion is only administrator).
> 
> I send "who password" and response error.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> P.D. Sorry for my grammatic but I don?t speak English
> 
> 

Hey Panega,
                    I haven't found a way to get the subscriber list via administrator be email so far !
 Best solution I can see at this point is to SAVE the web pages and  either import into a database or spreadsheet program. Thereby by eliminating columns as you choose.

                     Best          Don

                     




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Nov  7 01:30:31 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:30:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues
Message-ID: <200111070029.QAA26435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

>                 Editing of mails can be done on MODERATED mails.

Not with Mailman.




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Nov  7 01:33:56 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:33:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list
Message-ID: <200111070033.QAA26600@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> > How can I (administrator) get the suscriber list for mail?
> > 
> > I send "who" and response private list (My configutaion is only 
administrator).
> > 
> > I send "who password" and response error.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > P.D. Sorry for my grammatic but I don?t speak English
> > 
> > 
> 
> Hey Panega,
>                     I haven't found a way to get the subscriber list via 
administrator be email so far !

So, the issue is that "authenticating the 'who' requestor" isn't
reliable from an email, not that you can't get the list.
You can get the subscriber roster for a list that isn't 
roster-controlled.  Also, if the administrator is a member
of the list it should work.  Perhaps that test should be expanded
to include "or sender is administrator".





From viewelk at avci.net  Wed Nov  7 01:45:18 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:45:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues
References: <200111070029.QAA26435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <00de01c16725$7bb820c0$114a9ad0@g1u3v7>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dan Mick <>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <viewelk at avci.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues


> 
> >                 Editing of mails can be done on MODERATED mails.
> 
> Not with Mailman.
> 
>

Hey Dan,
               Nice to see some administrator feed back here.
I only began using ver 2.06 for two lists on 11/01.
One has some 230 subscribers, the other 100+. Both were formerly at Yahoo. 

My insights are a result of what I have seen so far and what I can read in 
Chris Kolar's contribution @
http://web.aurora.edu/~ckolar//mailman/

I current have a user who contributes Press releases.
I have specific names and 6 sender address limitations.
Upon entering the moderation page it appears as though I can edit anything in the submitted mails.
 Even though I have not had any reason to edit these press releases.
I will attempt the next one either late tonight EST or tomorrow.

I am presented with both the body content and the header content.  
 
                      Best          Don

                     




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Nov  7 01:51:38 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 16:51:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues
Message-ID: <200111070050.QAA27990@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Upon entering the moderation page it appears as though I can edit anything in 
the submitted mails.

It might appear that way, but the message and header displays
are readonly fields.




From viewelk at avci.net  Wed Nov  7 01:52:57 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:52:57 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list
Message-ID: <00e401c16726$8babe100$114a9ad0@g1u3v7>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <viewelk at avci.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list


> 
> > > How can I (administrator) get the suscriber list for mail?
> > > 
> > > I send "who" and response private list (My configutaion is only 
> administrator).
> > > 
> > > I send "who password" and response error.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > P.D. Sorry for my grammatic but I don?t speak English
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Hey Panega,
> >                     I haven't found a way to get the subscriber list via 
> administrator be email so far !
> 
> So, the issue is that "authenticating the 'who' requestor" isn't
> reliable from an email, not that you can't get the list.
> You can get the subscriber roster for a list that isn't 
> roster-controlled.  Also, if the administrator is a member
> of the list it should work.  Perhaps that test should be expanded
> to include "or sender is administrator".
> 
> 
> 
Hey Dan,
               As end users (administrators of lists NOT the host website OS)
our options are limited.

I have the subscriber "who" set to NO. 
Which means the subscribers cannot be provided with this info.
I attempted a test with my subscribed address and it was refused as well.
Don't have POP on my administrators email because it is merely a forwarding account as a result of my allowing a co-moderator (no mailman option.)
 As a result I cannot tell you definitely if the WHO will go to the administrators address.

I haven't a clue as to what you mean here
"Perhaps that test should be expanded > to include "or sender is administrator".

Perhaps you could expand on it ?
Thanks in advance

                     Best          Don





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Nov  7 02:06:00 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 17:06:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list
Message-ID: <200111070105.RAA28975@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> > >                     I haven't found a way to get the subscriber list via 
> > administrator be email so far !
> > 
> > So, the issue is that "authenticating the 'who' requestor" isn't
> > reliable from an email, not that you can't get the list.
> > You can get the subscriber roster for a list that isn't 
> > roster-controlled.  Also, if the administrator is a member
> > of the list it should work.  Perhaps that test should be expanded
> > to include "or sender is administrator".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Hey Dan,
>                As end users (administrators of lists NOT the host website OS)
> our options are limited.

No one was talking about something that required host admin privs.
 
> I have the subscriber "who" set to NO. 
> Which means the subscribers cannot be provided with this info.

OK.  The option is "Who can view subscription list?" and the
options are "Anyone", "List members", "List admin only", at least
in 2.1.  Has this changed for 2.1?  I hadn't thought so.

Anyway, yes, if it's set to "List admin only", I would expect
the subscribers don't get it.

> I attempted a test with my subscribed address and it was refused as well.

Again, this is not a surprise, right?

> Don't have POP on my administrators email because it is merely a forwarding 
account as a result of my allowing a co-moderator (no mailman option.)
>  As a result I cannot tell you definitely if the WHO will go to the 
administrators address.

Well, I can, and did.  What are you saying here?  I'm missing your
point.
 
> I haven't a clue as to what you mean here
> "Perhaps that test should be expanded > to include "or sender is 
administrator".
> 
> Perhaps you could expand on it ?

I'm suggesting that maybe a useful new feature to the processing
of the 'who' command would be to allow the administrator to
retrieve the list (by changing the test in the code).  That implies
that I fully realize it doesn't work that way today.




From viewelk at avci.net  Wed Nov  7 02:11:41 2001
From: viewelk at avci.net (Don Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:11:41 -0500
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list
References: <200111070105.RAA28975@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <015701c16729$2a71b6a0$114a9ad0@g1u3v7>

Dan,
        Many thanks for your insight.

I have been subscribed to this list just under two weeks.
Apparently I have misunderstood the theme of this list.

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman.html#mailinglists
Mailman Users is the mailing list to subscribe to if you are using Mailman at your site, and may have problems or questions relating to installation, use, etc. We'll try to keep the deep technical discussions off this list. 
end of quote.

So far all I have seen is "deep technical discussions."
I'm out of here :-(
 
                     Best          Don





From damon at 3jane.net  Wed Nov  7 02:55:44 2001
From: damon at 3jane.net (Damon M. Conway)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 19:55:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix and Mailman
Message-ID: <20011107015544.00C7F7E3D@chiba.3jane.net>

Hi,
I'm having problems with mailman + postfix.  Postfix appears to deliver to
the alias properly, but I never see any outbound messages.

Nov  6 19:51:17 [postfix/local] E36DA7E3D: to=<test at chiba.3jane.net>,
relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
("|/www/virtual/lists.burnaustin.org/mail/wrapper post test")

I had a problem with gid.  I had it orginally set to postfix, but mailman
would complain about needing gid 100 instead of 207.  I rebuilt mailman
with gid of 100, and that error stopped.

I am thoroughly confused.  I'd appreciate any help.

Thanks,
Damon

--
"UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that 
 would also stop you from doing clever things."  --Doug Gwyn



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Nov  7 03:14:27 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:14:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix and Mailman
Message-ID: <200111070213.SAA01729@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I'm having problems with mailman + postfix.  Postfix appears to deliver to
> the alias properly, but I never see any outbound messages.
> 
> Nov  6 19:51:17 [postfix/local] E36DA7E3D: to=<test at chiba.3jane.net>,
> relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
> ("|/www/virtual/lists.burnaustin.org/mail/wrapper post test")

cron?




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 04:30:00 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:30:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <200111070029.QAA26435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
References: <200111070029.QAA26435@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <01110622300001.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 06 November 2001 19:30, Dan Mick wrote:
> >                 Editing of mails can be done on MODERATED mails.
>
> Not with Mailman.
>

Correct and yet not true.  Stock Mailman does not allow you to edit the 
Moderated mail in the web interface - though I know at least one person who 
has changed that for his install (search the archives if you are curious).

You can edit the held messages directly in the queue.  The queued messages 
are stored in ~mailman/data/

Most folks who want to edit a held message su to root (or mailman), cd 
~mailman/data , and then simply edit the message with their favorite editor 
(mine happens to be vi!)

Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 04:38:34 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending
In-Reply-To: <l03130308b80e1d695a6a@[207.215.130.171]>
References: <l03130308b80e1d695a6a@[207.215.130.171]>
Message-ID: <01110622383502.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Stop the cron and submit some messages, then run the cron commands manually 
and monitor the progress of the messages by looking at the various logs, 
queues, and files that are moved and created.

It's educational and can lead you to where things break down.

Jon Carnes

(BTW: I would have guessed that the problem was that the cron was not 
running...)

On Tuesday 06 November 2001 18:22, jgo wrote:
> Mac OS X.1
> mailman 2.0.6
> sendmail 8.10.2
>
> I've finally gotten it to the point that people can get to the
> web pages, do the sign up, receive the "please confirm" message.
> But that's as far as it seems to go.
>
> When I look in mailman's subscribe log, I see that the
> request is pending; the smtp log is a sequence of
> "smtp for 1 recips, completed", and the error log is empty.
> When I look in sendmail's log, I see that the response to
> the confirmation request has been received from whomever,
> and sent to the listname-admin address with stat=Sent.
>
> The crontab looks reasonable, cron is running...
>
> I found several references to "pending" status in recent
> digests, but don't see analogs to the files folks were
> recommended to check on other OSs.
>
> What should I look at next?
>
> John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
> Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy,
> Justice
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 05:08:59 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:08:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman issues
In-Reply-To: <3BE7EF0F.3E91E128@klink.net>
References: <3BE7EF0F.3E91E128@klink.net>
Message-ID: <01110623085903.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 06 November 2001 09:09, Brian McIntosh wrote:
> My provider is switching to Mailman from Majordomo. I like a lot of the
> features BUT I need to be able to edit the messages before they go out!
> My list is mostly made up of non computer savy users and I need to edit
> links, spelling, format and of course the ever present FWD FWD FWD FWD
> FWD FWD.
>
> I like to remove all the extra tracking information also. -- This is a
> closed list and we know who everyone is that joins. We require the
> information and keep it filed in a seperate database.
>
> Is there someway I can do this and still show who sent in the
> information?
>
> Thanks
> Brian McIntosh brian at clcsinc.com
> Canada Lake Computer Services Inc  clcs at klink.net
> Alliance for America brian at allianceforamerica.org
> AFALIST afalist at klink.net

You can edit the files directly in the queue (see my earlier post).  I 
would recommend that you add yourself to the mailman group and then create 
a link in your home directory to ~mailman/data.  

If you have samba loaded on the server, you can edit the email directly 
using your favorite editor.

Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 05:19:15 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation email loop
In-Reply-To: <20011105074748.A4783@magic.merlins.org>
References: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com> <20011105074748.A4783@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <01110623191504.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 05 November 2001 10:47, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:22:53PM -0500, Clark Cooper wrote:
> > I had a situation where a user on one of my lists had the vacation
> > utility turned on and a posting to the list resulted in a looped email
> > because the vacation email response was then posted and on and on.  The
> > reply-to posts option has been set to "the list" and I would like to
> > keep this setting.  Is
>
> Outside of removing the reply to, which will catch many but not all of
> those problems, my usual answer is to blackhole the server the Emails
> came from, and send the following to the postmaster:
> http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/autoresponders.txt
>
> Broken autoresponders should not be tolerated.
>

Don't forget the nomail option.  As admin, you can edit the membership 
options of the offender and turn off their mail.

You might also want to look at using Procmail. Procmail gives you a lot 
more control over mail processing than Mailman's limited support.


  



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 05:34:31 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:34:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
References: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
Message-ID: <01110623343106.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 05 November 2001 03:08, V.S.Mony wrote:
> Hai,
>  I have installed mailman in my machine and is managing the mailing lists
> for one domain. It has multiple domains hosted on it. Can one single
> installation of mailman be used to manage mailing lists for multiple
> domains?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Venkat

Yes.  It's a touch more complicated, but easily doable.  You have to setup 
the virtual domains under your MTA (mailserver) and in your Webserver, then 
simply set Mailman to use those virtual addresses, under General Options in 
the Admin interface.

Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 06:29:14 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:29:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2 spezial restrictions required from mailman
In-Reply-To: <1e.1dcdecfe.29190bb0@aol.com>
References: <1e.1dcdecfe.29190bb0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <01110700291408.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 06 November 2001 04:47, Postfixuser at aol.com wrote:
> hello,  i have got to questions:
>
> 1. question:
>
> we have got 100 deferent lists on a mailserver, but every user of a list
> should be allowd to post to all these lists at this server. The lists are
> all aowen from the same compyny be the lists are for spezial projects or
> groups. Every member of the company should be able to post to all these
> lists, but not the hole world !!!!!!
> how can i do that ????

Open the list for anyone to post to (don't have to be a member of the 
list), but use a regular expression to limit the users who can post to the 
list.  There is a field in the Admin for each list that is specifically for 
this.

> 2. question:
>
> some of these lists should be restricted so, that only 3 or 5 persons,
> equal if the are member of this list or not, should post to this list,
> only these people !!! no one else.
> can i do this with mailman ????
>

Yes.  There is a field for this in the Admin setup, where you define the 
folks who can post to the list.




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 06:33:07 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:33:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] deleting a list
In-Reply-To: <20011106104306.0b8571ba.damir@voljatel.si>
References: <20011106104306.0b8571ba.damir@voljatel.si>
Message-ID: <01110700330709.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 06 November 2001 04:43, Damir Horvat wrote:
> Hi!
>
> A proper way to delete/shut-down the list ???
>
> regards,
> damir

Depends on how polite you want to be.
  - Use procmail or the mailman autoresponder to inform folks that the list 
is closed.
  - Simply convert the aliases to point to /dev/null



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 06:51:25 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 00:51:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <00e601c1674c$42b63f60$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
References: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com> <01110623343106.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <00e601c1674c$42b63f60$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
Message-ID: <0111070051250A.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 00:22, V.S.Mony wrote:
> There is only a field with the description  'Hostname the list prefers'
>
> Can we give multiple domains in that field?
> i mean abc.com,xyz.com in the same textbox?
>
> Then will it recognise mails to both abc.com and xyz.com
>
> Venkat

Negative.  You put "abc.com" in for the domain it prefers.  If the list is 
called mylist at abc.com, then you create an alias for it called mylist at xyz.com

The last step is to identify "mylist at xyz.com" as a list that is treated as 
though it were "mylist at abc.com" by Mailman.  You do that by web-ing over to 
the admin page and on the Privacy Options page, putting the address into 
the field:
   Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
   or cc destination names for this list. (Details)

Works just fine there after - Jon Carnes



From mwright at kychamber.com  Wed Nov  7 14:24:44 2001
From: mwright at kychamber.com (Marcella Wright)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a function capability
Message-ID: <sbe8efe4.098@kychamber.com>

Is there any way to show the subscribers e-mail address in the TO: field?  This is a problem for me.  I need this field to show their e-mail address not the list address and not all subscribers address just the person who is getting the subscription.  I don't see a way to do this but I'm new to using this product.  Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Marcella Wright
Director of Information Systems
Kentucky Chamber of  Commerce
464 Chenault Road
Frankfort, KY  40601
Phone:  502-695-4700 x 3013
Fax:  502-695-6824
E-Mail:  mwright at kychamber.com
Web:  http://www.kychamber.com
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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Wed Nov  7 15:00:39 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 07 Nov 2001 14:00:39 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a function capability
In-Reply-To: <sbe8efe4.098@kychamber.com>
References: <sbe8efe4.098@kychamber.com>
Message-ID: <1005141640.2416.0.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 13:24, Marcella Wright wrote:
> Is there any way to show the subscribers e-mail address in the
> TO: field?  This is a problem for me.  I need this field to show
> their e-mail address not the list address and not all subscribers
> address just the person who is getting the subscription.  I don't
> see a way to do this but I'm new to using this product.  Any help
> or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Please post in normally formatted text, not HTML - I had to edit the
above quote to make it format sensibly]

Mailing lists typically send exactly the same message to many
recipients.  You are asking that the message be different for each
recipient (even if it is just the headers you are changing), which is a
different functionality.

Mailman does not support this functionality.  It may be possible for you
to add it by making it strip the recipient headers, then building a new
copy of the message for each recipient at the point where you pass the
messages to the MTA.  However you are going to have to do a significant
amount of coding to acheive this.

The other question is why do you need the To: header to show the
recipient address - are your subscribers too stupid to remember their
own addresses?  If you are trying to work round anti-spam measures then
you have other problems already.

	Nigel.




From garymk at citlink.net  Wed Nov  7 15:07:48 2001
From: garymk at citlink.net (Mitchell K. Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:07:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List doesn't process mail
Message-ID: <NCBBJMPODKIBHMIJPBDIGEIMCJAA.garymk@citlink.net>

My hosting company has a Control Panel interface that allows users to create
mailing lists. I can't get them to work. Users can't subscribe themselves,
and although the list sends confirmations, it doesn't respond to attempts to
confirm.

When I create a new list, I get the following screen:
============================================================================
=============

              Account Created
              The mailing list dcmoms with password xxxxx was sucessfully
              created.

              Entry for aliases file:

              ## dcmoms_dcmoboces.org mailing list
              ## created: 07-Nov-2001 mailman
              dcmoms_dcmoboces.org:
"|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post dcmoms_dcmoboces.org"
              dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-admin:
"|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
dcmoms_dcmoboces.org"
              dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-request:
"|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
dcmoms_dcmoboces.org"
              dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-owner: dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-admin

              Hit enter to continue with dcmoms_dcmoboces.org owner
notification...

============================================================================
===============

Does that look normal? Should the alias entries be in the format
"listname_domain.dom-alias"? The lists on this server don't seem to be set
up that way.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Mitchell Gary




From aeverett at webintl.com  Wed Nov  7 15:47:29 2001
From: aeverett at webintl.com (Albert Everett)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:47:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] courier and mailman
Message-ID: <a05100301b80ef9cf4824@[192.168.123.20]>

How many of you out there are running Mailman and courier happily together?

Albert



From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Wed Nov  7 16:01:15 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:01:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 - Failed to exec script
References: <3BE857F0.A19158CA@abs-comptech.com> <20011106174219.A18588@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3BE94CBB.7DE1FD1E@abs-comptech.com>

Thanks Greg,

I do appreciate the reply.  Based on your information, it would be my 'guess'
that I need to use the --with-mail-gid=12.  But this hasn't had an effect.
Any other suggestions?  I already have MajorDomo running on Sendmail 8.12.1,
and really didn't think this was rocket science for sendmail.  Is 8.12.1 that
much different from the other versions?

Can someone tell me what I've done wrong??

Greg Ward wrote:

> On 06 November 2001, Albert E. Whale said:
> > This is a Linux Server running Sendmail 8.12.1 .... any ideas what the
> > problem is??
> [...]
> > Message delivered to mailing list <test at ns.abs-comptech.com>
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
> > 12?)
> > 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> The problem is that Mailman wanted to run under gid 0, but actually ran
> under gid 12.  You have to either reconfigure and rebuild Mailman, or
> fix your MTAs config to match Mailman's expectations (which are
> hard-coded in the Mailman "wrapper" binary).
>
>         Greg
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Nov  7 16:50:55 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 - Failed to exec script
In-Reply-To: <3BE94CBB.7DE1FD1E@abs-comptech.com>
References: <3BE857F0.A19158CA@abs-comptech.com> <20011106174219.A18588@mems-exchange.org> <3BE94CBB.7DE1FD1E@abs-comptech.com>
Message-ID: <20011107105055.B19703@mems-exchange.org>

[Mailman said]
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
> 12?)

On 07 November 2001, Albert E. Whale said:
> I do appreciate the reply.  Based on your information, it would be my 'guess'
> that I need to use the --with-mail-gid=12.  But this hasn't had an effect.
> Any other suggestions?

That sounds right.  Also sounds more secure; I think the "WANTED gid 0"
means Mailman was compiled to run in group 0, most likely root, which is
a really bad idea.

You did recompile and reinstall Mailman after reconfiguring it, right?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Wed Nov  7 17:01:23 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 - Failed to exec script
References: <3BE857F0.A19158CA@abs-comptech.com> <20011106174219.A18588@mems-exchange.org> <3BE94CBB.7DE1FD1E@abs-comptech.com> <20011107105055.B19703@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3BE95AD2.91FD0526@abs-comptech.com>


Greg Ward wrote:

> [Mailman said]
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take
> > 12?)
>
> You did recompile and reinstall Mailman after reconfiguring it, right?
>
>         Greg

Yup!  In fact here's my commands:

make clean
configure --with-cgi-gid=233 --with-mail-gid=12
make install

That makes the Binaries look like this:

[root at ns mail]# ll
total 32
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           26 Nov  7 09:37 mailman_wrapper -> /home
/mailman/mail/wrapper*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     31000 Nov  7 09:39 wrapper*
[root at ns mail]#

As well as:

[root at ns sm.bin]# ll
total 156
-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     mailman     31000 Nov  5 17:04 mailman_wrapper*
-r-xr-xr-x    1 bin      bin        113702 Oct  9 13:58 vacation*
-rwsr-xr-x    1 root     majordom     5304 Sep  3  1999 wrapper*
[root at ns sm.bin]#

I still cannot see what is blocking the use of GID=12.  Have you a Clue?  I'm ready
to forward this to the Developers List to see if ANYONE is running Sendmail 8.12.1

Is there anyone on the Users list using Sendmail 8.12.1?





>
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 16:52:26 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:52:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List doesn't process mail
In-Reply-To: <NCBBJMPODKIBHMIJPBDIGEIMCJAA.garymk@citlink.net>
References: <NCBBJMPODKIBHMIJPBDIGEIMCJAA.garymk@citlink.net>
Message-ID: <01110710522600.01568@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 07 November 2001 09:07, Mitchell K. Gary wrote:
> My hosting company has a Control Panel interface that allows users to
> create mailing lists. I can't get them to work. Users can't subscribe
> themselves, and although the list sends confirmations, it doesn't respond
> to attempts to confirm.
>
> When I create a new list, I get the following screen:
> =========================================================================
>=== =============
>
>               Account Created
>               The mailing list dcmoms with password xxxxx was sucessfully
>               created.
>
>               Entry for aliases file:
>
>               ## dcmoms_dcmoboces.org mailing list
>               ## created: 07-Nov-2001 mailman
>               dcmoms_dcmoboces.org:
> "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> dcmoms_dcmoboces.org" dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-admin:
> "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
> dcmoms_dcmoboces.org"
>               dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-request:
> "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
> dcmoms_dcmoboces.org"
>               dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-owner: dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-admin
>
>               Hit enter to continue with dcmoms_dcmoboces.org owner
> notification...
>
> =========================================================================
>=== ===============
>
> Does that look normal? Should the alias entries be in the format
> "listname_domain.dom-alias"? The lists on this server don't seem to be
> set up that way.
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>
> Mitchell Gary

So far it looks perfectly normal.  Once you get that output, you need to 
copy and paste it into your /etc/aliases file (if you are running sendmail 
or a sendmail compliant MTA).  Once that is done, the messages will be 
routed to Mailman and Mailman will begin to process them.

The next step in the process depends on qrunner running in mailman's 
Crontab.  Make sure that the cron entries are running.

Jon Carnes



From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Wed Nov  7 17:04:43 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:04:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 - Failed to exec script
References: <3BE857F0.A19158CA@abs-comptech.com> <20011106174219.A18588@mems-exchange.org> <3BE94CBB.7DE1FD1E@abs-comptech.com> <20011107105055.B19703@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3BE95B9B.5F8545ED@abs-comptech.com>

Problem Found!

The problem was in the /usr/adm/sm.bin dir.  The file mailman_wrapper was not a
link but an executable.  This executable was not being updated, and therefore each
compilation of the source was being ignored.

Thank you for your eyes and ears in helping me to diagnose and fix the problem!

Greg Ward wrote:

> That sounds right.  Also sounds more secure; I think the "WANTED gid 0"
> means Mailman was compiled to run in group 0, most likely root, which is
> a really bad idea.
>
> You did recompile and reinstall Mailman after reconfiguring it, right?
>
>         Greg
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 17:12:25 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:12:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List doesn't process mail
In-Reply-To: <01110710522600.01568@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <NCBBJMPODKIBHMIJPBDIGEIMCJAA.garymk@citlink.net> <01110710522600.01568@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <01110711122502.01568@anncons.nc.rr.com>

>
> So far it looks perfectly normal.  Once you get that output, you need to
> copy and paste it into your /etc/aliases file (if you are running
> sendmail or a sendmail compliant MTA).  Once that is done, the messages
> will be routed to Mailman and Mailman will begin to process them.

BTW: don't forget to run newaliases after adding anything to the 
/etc/aliases file.

>
> The next step in the process depends on qrunner running in mailman's
> Crontab.  Make sure that the cron entries are running.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
>



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Nov  7 17:16:20 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 11:16:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command who on private list
In-Reply-To: <006201c16722$57d4d700$114a9ad0@g1u3v7>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011104133934.00a1c570@mail.pangea.org> <006201c16722$57d4d700$114a9ad0@g1u3v7>
Message-ID: <20011107111620.A20409@mems-exchange.org>

On 06 November 2001, Don Daniels said:
>                     I haven't found a way to get the subscriber list
> via administrator be email so far !  Best solution I can see at this
> point is to SAVE the web pages and either import into a database or
> spreadsheet program. Thereby by eliminating columns as you choose.

1) login to the Mailman server as "root" or "mailman"
   (or put yourself in the "mailman" group and start a new
   login shell)
2) cd ~mailman
3) ./bin/list_members foo-list | Mail -s "foo-list roster" you at your.domain

An exercise for the reader: automate this with ssh.

        Greg



From mwright at kychamber.com  Wed Nov  7 17:21:35 2001
From: mwright at kychamber.com (Marcella Wright)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:21:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a function capability
Message-ID: <sbe91950.042@kychamber.com>

Well as a mater of fact the reason I need the TO: field to have their e-mail address is that many of them have multiple addresses and can't remember them all as well as some of them apparently have alias names that they are not aware of.  I have had numerous people say the want to unsubscribe, give me their e-mail address that they are aware of and these addresses are no-where to be found on the lists.  This is a real problem.  I obviously can't take them off if I don't know their address and many of them really have no idea,  This seams really weird, however many people really don't understand the net and how things work.  They are Executives in companies who just depend on someone else to do and know all that and they just expect someone else to figure it out.  I know this shouldn't be a problem but it is.  If there is anyway to correct it by having their e-mail address in the TO that would be great!


>>> Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk> 11/07/01 09:00AM >>>
On Wed, 2001-11-07 at 13:24, Marcella Wright wrote:
> Is there any way to show the subscribers e-mail address in the
> TO: field?  This is a problem for me.  I need this field to show
> their e-mail address not the list address and not all subscribers
> address just the person who is getting the subscription.  I don't
> see a way to do this but I'm new to using this product.  Any help
> or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Please post in normally formatted text, not HTML - I had to edit the
above quote to make it format sensibly]

Mailing lists typically send exactly the same message to many
recipients.  You are asking that the message be different for each
recipient (even if it is just the headers you are changing), which is a
different functionality.

Mailman does not support this functionality.  It may be possible for you
to add it by making it strip the recipient headers, then building a new
copy of the message for each recipient at the point where you pass the
messages to the MTA.  However you are going to have to do a significant
amount of coding to acheive this.

The other question is why do you need the To: header to show the
recipient address - are your subscribers too stupid to remember their
own addresses?  If you are trying to work round anti-spam measures then
you have other problems already.

	Nigel.


------------------------------------------------------
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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From damon at 3jane.net  Wed Nov  7 17:33:04 2001
From: damon at 3jane.net (Damon M. Conway)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:33:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix and Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <200111070213.SAA01729@utopia.West.Sun.COM> 
References: <200111070213.SAA01729@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <20011107163304.2E841948A@chiba.3jane.net>

 Dan Mick wrote:
>
>> I'm having problems with mailman + postfix.  Postfix appears to deliver
> to
>> the alias properly, but I never see any outbound messages.
>> 
>> Nov  6 19:51:17 [postfix/local] E36DA7E3D: to=<test at chiba.3jane.net>,
>> relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
>> ("|/www/virtual/lists.burnaustin.org/mail/wrapper post test")
>
>cron?

Yep, that was the problem.  Thanks!

Damon

--
"UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that
 would also stop you from doing clever things."  --Doug Gwyn



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov  7 17:38:03 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:38:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a function capability 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Marcella Wright" <mwright@kychamber.com> 
   of "Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:24:44 EST." <sbe8efe4.098@kychamber.com> 
References: <sbe8efe4.098@kychamber.com> 
Message-ID: <10415.1005151083@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:24:44 -0500 
Marcella Wright <mwright at kychamber.com> wrote:

> Is there any way to show the subscribers e-mail address in the TO:
> field?  

Not currently and not planned.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov  7 17:40:49 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:40:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a function capability 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Marcella Wright" <mwright@kychamber.com> 
   of "Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:21:35 EST." <sbe91950.042@kychamber.com> 
References: <sbe91950.042@kychamber.com> 
Message-ID: <10467.1005151249@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:21:35 -0500 
Marcella Wright <mwright at kychamber.com> wrote:

> Well as a mater of fact the reason I need the TO: field to have
> their e-mail address is that many of them have multiple addresses
> and can't remember them all as well as some of them apparently
> have alias names that they are not aware of.  

Each subscriber's address is listed in their password reminder
message, usually sent out monthly.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From nb at thinkcoach.com  Wed Nov  7 17:46:40 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:46:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a function capability
In-Reply-To: <10415.1005151083@kanga.nu> (message from J C Lawrence on Wed, 07
	Nov 2001 08:38:03 -0800)
References: <sbe8efe4.098@kychamber.com> <10415.1005151083@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <200111071646.fA7GkeD05222@quill.local>

J C Lawrence <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
> Marcella Wright <mwright at kychamber.com> wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way to show the subscribers e-mail address in the TO:
> > field?  
> 
> Not currently and not planned.

Actually this is possible with qmail and the qmail-verh patch
(see http://mailman.cis.to/qmail-verh/ )

After installing the qmail-verh patch, all you need to do is
edit Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py to change the To: header to

##L@##H

Greetings, Norbert.

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Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From cpowell at asciences.com  Wed Nov  7 19:03:04 2001
From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:03:04 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
Message-ID: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BE6F@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>

Thanks for your insight.  I also noticed that auto-responses only get posted
to the list, as a reply to digest messages sent to subscribers.

Camille

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Ward [mailto:gward at mems-exchange.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:14 PM
To: Camille K. Powell
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses


On 06 November 2001, Camille K. Powell said:
> Thanks, but I hope there's a better way.  I just switched from EZMLM to
> Mailmain and I never had this problem.  The auto-replies used to go to the
> person that posted the message, not to the list.

That may have something to do with the fact that ezmlm crafts a separate
message, with a unique SMTP sender, for each message to each list
member.  That's more expensive (in temporary storage, bandwidth, and
CPU) than Mailman's approach, but probably makes bounce-handling much
simpler for ezmlm than it is for Mailman.

On reflection, I can't understand why a auto-responder would send
auto-responses to the *list*.  They should either go to the list admin
address (if the autoresponder looks at the SMTP sender) or to the
original sender (if it looks at the "From" header).  Eg. here are some
headers from my last post to this list:
it do so!):

  Return-path: <mailman-users-admin at python.org>
  [...skip Received headers...]
  To: "Camille K. Powell" <cpowell at asciences.com>
  Cc: mailman-users at python.org
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
  Message-ID: <20011106131756.B17237 at mems-exchange.org>
  [...]
  From: Greg Ward <gward at mems-exchange.org>
  Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
  Errors-To: mailman-users-admin at python.org
  X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
  X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 (101270)
  Precedence: bulk
  List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
  List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
  List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
          <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
  List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
  List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
          <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
  List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

An autoresponder that receives this message should either look at the
return-path (a header for the SMTP sender), or the "From" header, or the
"Sender" header.  In none of those cases would it auto-respond to
mailman-users at python.org.

Hmmm: you don't happen to have "Reply-to the list" set on your list, do
you?

        Greg
-- 
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Nov  7 20:49:51 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:49:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a function capability
References: <sbe8efe4.098@kychamber.com> <10415.1005151083@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3BE9905F.6EABBBBC@utopia.west.sun.com>


J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:24:44 -0500
> Marcella Wright <mwright at kychamber.com> wrote:
> 
> > Is there any way to show the subscribers e-mail address in the TO:
> > field?
> 
> Not currently and not planned.

Well, I think 2.1 can implement this, but it's important to point out that
virtually all the advantages of using an MLM go away if you do this.  The point
is to gain mass-mailing benefit, and if you have to customize each message,
you lose the mass-production aspect; at that point you might as well just
use a file with a list of subscribers and a shell-script loop to send the
mail, or a normal MTA alias with many entries.

If your subscribers can't remember their address, instruct them to save
their welcome message.  It's not like "each mail has my address" is sufficient
to address the really willfully stupid user anyway.



From garymk at citlink.net  Wed Nov  7 21:02:42 2001
From: garymk at citlink.net (Mitchell K. Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:02:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List doesn't process mail
In-Reply-To: <01110710522600.01568@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBJMPODKIBHMIJPBDIGEJFCJAA.garymk@citlink.net>

My host's control panel implies that all the list's setup functions are
automated. Is that possible? I don't think I have access to Mailman's
Crontab (I wouldn't know a Crontab if I ran over one); and can I run new
newaliases from a telnet connection, assuming that I can even get access to
those files?

Mitchell Gary


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jon Carnes
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:52 AM
> To: Mitchell K. Gary; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List doesn't process mail
>
>
> On Wednesday 07 November 2001 09:07, Mitchell K. Gary wrote:
> > My hosting company has a Control Panel interface that allows users to
> > create mailing lists. I can't get them to work. Users can't subscribe
> > themselves, and although the list sends confirmations, it
> doesn't respond
> > to attempts to confirm.
> >
> > When I create a new list, I get the following screen:
> >
> =========================================================================
> >=== =============
> >
> >               Account Created
> >               The mailing list dcmoms with password xxxxx was
> sucessfully
> >               created.
> >
> >               Entry for aliases file:
> >
> >               ## dcmoms_dcmoboces.org mailing list
> >               ## created: 07-Nov-2001 mailman
> >               dcmoms_dcmoboces.org:
> > "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> > dcmoms_dcmoboces.org" dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-admin:
> > "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
> > dcmoms_dcmoboces.org"
> >               dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-request:
> > "|/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
> > dcmoms_dcmoboces.org"
> >               dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-owner: dcmoms_dcmoboces.org-admin
> >
> >               Hit enter to continue with dcmoms_dcmoboces.org owner
> > notification...
> >
> >
> =========================================================================
> >=== ===============
> >
> > Does that look normal? Should the alias entries be in the format
> > "listname_domain.dom-alias"? The lists on this server don't seem to be
> > set up that way.
> >
> > Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> >
> > Mitchell Gary
>
> So far it looks perfectly normal.  Once you get that output, you need to
> copy and paste it into your /etc/aliases file (if you are running
> sendmail
> or a sendmail compliant MTA).  Once that is done, the messages will be
> routed to Mailman and Mailman will begin to process them.
>
> The next step in the process depends on qrunner running in mailman's
> Crontab.  Make sure that the cron entries are running.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From barry at arhosting.com  Wed Nov  7 21:12:10 2001
From: barry at arhosting.com (Barry Smoke)
Date: 07 Nov 2001 14:12:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/redhat/qmail
In-Reply-To: <NCBBJMPODKIBHMIJPBDIGEJFCJAA.garymk@citlink.net>
References: <NCBBJMPODKIBHMIJPBDIGEJFCJAA.garymk@citlink.net>
Message-ID: <1005163930.1994.2.camel@inferno>

I saw a couple of days ago a question about mailman and qmail, and
wanted to remind everyone about my qmail customized mailman rpm.
http://mailman-qmail.arhosting.com






From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov  7 22:14:24 2001
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:14:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading innd when using mailman email gateways
Message-ID: <20011107161424.A5358@us.ibm.com>

Greets.

I've got a Red Hat 6.2 server running innd 2.2.x and I need to upgrade it to
the current 2.3.x release. This innd server also is the target for several
mailman news2mail / mail2news mailing list gateways.

I'm looking for advice on how to handle this best. Here are my current
thoughts:

1) Disable mailman news gateway cron jobs
2) Upgrade innd as documented in innd release notes.
3) Enable mailman news gateway cron jobs again

I'm concerned about the possibility that innd may do something such as change
article ids or what not which would cause mailman to 'catchup' with the news
group and spam the mailing lists with 90 days of old emails.

Any tips or thoughts on things I should watch out for would be very welcome.
Thanks!

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (lnxgeek at us.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
 T/L 441-9289 / External 919-543-9289
 http://bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com/webcam




From jmasterson at modwest.com  Wed Nov  7 23:28:21 2001
From: jmasterson at modwest.com (John Masterson)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:28:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe and send-password hanging
Message-ID: <021101c167db$81dabf60$8100000a@magnafix>

Hello,

After searching the archives, I joined the list and have this question to
ask:

Running Mailman 2.0.6 and Python 2.1.1 on Redhat 6.2, two web-interface
functions are hanging until Apache (1.3.20) times out, subscription requests
and 'send me my password'. They still *work*, however, and sometimes more
than once (even though the button is only clicked once).

The only weird thing about our setup is that all CGI scripts are handled by
our mod_sbox, which refuses to run set-gid scripts, and so we have to undo
the set-gid bits in mailman.
Since everything else works, though, I don't think that's the problem.

Has anyone else seen these problems?

--
John Masterson
Modwest
Powerful, Affordable Web Hosting
http://www.modwest.com






From dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  7 23:08:01 2001
From: dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com (Dean J. Pompilio)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:08:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems running 'configure' for Mailman 2.0.5
Message-ID: <20011107220801.26561.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com>

I have successfully configured and make'd Python 2.2b1 on my Solaris 8
workstation.  I am trying to configure mailman using the options you see below
and it fails with the 'conftest.out' error.  Btw, the paths do exist and do
point to the right directories...

dpompilio# configure --prefix=/export/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.5
--with-python=/export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
checking Python interpreter... /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
checking Python version... configure: /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1: cannot
execute
cat: cannot open conftest.out
configure: error: 

***** /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1 is too old (or broken)
***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required
dpompilio# 
	
Can anyone help here?

Thanx!

~Dean

=====
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Senior Technical Consultant             
MGM Technology Solutions          
Email: dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com   
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From mistlist at sonic.com  Wed Nov  7 00:51:15 2001
From: mistlist at sonic.com (mistlist)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 15:51:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with running the cgi wrapper
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011106154656.03152c78@wheresmymailserver.com>

I am having some real trouble trying to get the cgi scrip to execute when I 
click on the link to admin the list.
The error I got is:
Mailman CGI error!!!
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by 
the Web server.
The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed 
incorrectly.  Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close 
attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is being 
stored in your syslog:
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take 48?)

I have re configured the configure with the this command line
./configure --with-cgi-gid=48 also have tried 99
it compiles and installs fine but I still get this error, I am at a loss as 
to why its not take the gid of 48 when I have configured it that way.

Please help, thanx.




From snodgress5 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  7 04:22:48 2001
From: snodgress5 at earthlink.net (Mike S.)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:22:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding MailMan HTML Form to Webpage, Help!
Message-ID: <000001c1673b$7a9f5bc0$82ccb3d1@michael9w1e5tk>

Do I have to go through the MailMan web interface to add users to my
mailing list? Or are there HTML form tags/input fields that I can add to
my current webpage, so users can just sign up right there on my page? My
email is snodgress5 at earthlink.net , if you know anything about this
please help, thanks in advance!
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From gvsmony at inapp.com  Wed Nov  7 06:22:57 2001
From: gvsmony at inapp.com (V.S.Mony)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:52:57 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
References: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com> <01110623343106.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00e601c1674c$42b63f60$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>

There is only a field with the description  'Hostname the list prefers'

Can we give multiple domains in that field?
i mean abc.com,xyz.com in the same textbox?

Then will it recognise mails to both abc.com and xyz.com

Venkat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
To: "V.S.Mony" <gvsmony at inapp.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains


> On Monday 05 November 2001 03:08, V.S.Mony wrote:
> > Hai,
> >  I have installed mailman in my machine and is managing the mailing
lists
> > for one domain. It has multiple domains hosted on it. Can one single
> > installation of mailman be used to manage mailing lists for multiple
> > domains?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Venkat
>
> Yes.  It's a touch more complicated, but easily doable.  You have to setup
> the virtual domains under your MTA (mailserver) and in your Webserver,
then
> simply set Mailman to use those virtual addresses, under General Options
in
> the Admin interface.
>
> Jon Carnes
>




From dorejc at esc-larochelle.fr  Wed Nov  7 08:43:01 2001
From: dorejc at esc-larochelle.fr (Jean-Christophe DORE)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:43:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need information
Message-ID: <3BE8E605.522FF057@esc-larochelle.fr>

hi,
I try MailMan ... nice ...
but i need a special thing ...
I need to block ( approbation ) all mail from "outside" ( not in our
domain name ) ....
I found nothing for that ????

Solution or no ?

Thank




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 00:23:55 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:23:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems running 'configure' for Mailman 2.0.5
Message-ID: <200111072323.PAA06683@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Looks like permissions to me, but you supply no permissions
information (what user were you and what permissions are on the
$prefix dir)

> I have successfully configured and make'd Python 2.2b1 on my Solaris 8
> workstation.  I am trying to configure mailman using the options you see below
> and it fails with the 'conftest.out' error.  Btw, the paths do exist and do
> point to the right directories...
> 
> dpompilio# configure --prefix=/export/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.5
> --with-python=/export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
> loading cache ./config.cache
> checking for --with-python... /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
> checking Python interpreter... /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
> checking Python version... configure: /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1: 
cannot
> execute
> cat: cannot open conftest.out
> configure: error: 
> 
> ***** /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1 is too old (or broken)
> ***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required
> dpompilio# 
> 	
> Can anyone help here?
> 
> Thanx!
> 
> ~Dean
> 
> =====
> _________________________________________________________
> Dean J. Pompilio                  
> Senior Technical Consultant             
> MGM Technology Solutions          
> Email: dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com   
> Cell/Page/VoiceMail: 312-420-1298
> WWW: http://www.mgmtech.net
> 
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 00:26:24 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:26:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with running the cgi wrapper
Message-ID: <200111072325.PAA06871@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take 48?)
> 
> I have re configured the configure with the this command line
> ./configure --with-cgi-gid=48 also have tried 99
> it compiles and installs fine but I still get this error,

then you didn't recompile and install it correctly.  doublecheck.
Something isn't getting reinstalled when you rebuild with GID 48.

> I am at a loss as 
> to why its not take the gid of 48 when I have configured it that way.




From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Thu Nov  8 05:44:32 2001
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 23:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman nntp gateway and list names
Message-ID: <20011107234432.A7211@us.ibm.com>

Greets.

Silly question but I don't see a way so I'll ask. When mailman does nntp
gatewaying is it at all possible to strip [list-name] off the subject line
when doing smtp -> nntp? I think it makes sense when you look at the list
from the nntp side not to see [list-name]. For nntp -> smtp however I would
say the default would be to continue to append [list-name] as needed.

And on the same topic, Re: and Fwd: tags in the subject line of the
newsgroup seem silly as well. Shouldn't we strip them off when doing smtp ->
nntp as well?

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (lnxgeek at us.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
 T/L 441-9289 / External 919-543-9289
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 05:12:55 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:12:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman nntp gateway and list names
Message-ID: <200111080412.UAA18407@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Once again, this has been significantly changed in 2.1; the headers
which should be removed are now configurable from mm_cfg.
The subject munging isn't there, but could be hacked (of course).

relevant section of Defaults.py:


# These variables controls how headers must be cleansed in order to be
# accepted by your NNTP server.  Some servers like INN reject messages
# containing prohibited headers, or duplicate headers.  The NNTP server may
# reject the message for other reasons, but there's little that can be
# programmatically done about that.  See Mailman/Queue/NewsRunner.py
#
# First, these headers (case ignored) are removed from the original message.
NNTP_REMOVE_HEADERS = ['nntp-posting-host', 'nntp-posting-date', 'x-trace',
                       'x-complaints-to', 'xref', 'date-received', 'posted',
                       'posting-version', 'relay-version', 'received']

# Next, these headers are left alone, unless there are duplicates in the
# original message.  Any second and subsequent headers are rewritten to the
# second named header (case preserved).
NNTP_REWRITE_DUPLICATE_HEADERS = [
    ('to', 'X-Original-To'),
    ('cc', 'X-Original-Cc'),
    ('content-transfer-encoding', 'X-Original-Content-Transfer-Encoding'),
    ('mime-version', 'X-MIME-Version'),
    ]

> Greets.
> 
> Silly question but I don't see a way so I'll ask. When mailman does nntp
> gatewaying is it at all possible to strip [list-name] off the subject line
> when doing smtp -> nntp? I think it makes sense when you look at the list
> from the nntp side not to see [list-name]. For nntp -> smtp however I would
> say the default would be to continue to append [list-name] as needed.
> 
> And on the same topic, Re: and Fwd: tags in the subject line of the
> newsgroup seem silly as well. Shouldn't we strip them off when doing smtp ->
> nntp as well?
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>  Scott Russell (lnxgeek at us.ibm.com)
>  Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
>  T/L 441-9289 / External 919-543-9289
>  http://bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com/webcam
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From john at nisus.com  Thu Nov  8 05:46:26 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:46:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending
Message-ID: <l0313030fb80fb8620944@[207.215.130.171]>

> Jon Carnes Tue, 2001-11-06 22:38:34 -0500 wrote:
> Stop the cron and submit some messages, then run the cron
> commands manually and monitor the progress of the messages
> by looking at the various logs, queues, and files that are
> moved and created.
>
> It's educational and can lead you to where things break down.

Ahhh, suggestions on where to look for the aforesaid
logs, queues & other files would be appreciated.

It has been educational.  I found
mailman/data/pending_subscriptions.db
and I see there's a Pending.py (and *.pyc), and cron/checkdbs
looks very interesting but so far unenlightening, and those
led me to MailList.py and ProcessConfirmation and
MailCommandHandler.py (& .pyc)...
and I see some calls to syslog & the class def but haven't
found the actual file where it'd be writing.

"The earlier in life you accustome yourself to consider objects with attention,
 the easier will your progress be, & more sure & successful your enterprizes.
 What a harvest of true scenes through which you pass if you are not wanting
 in your assiduity & endeavours." --- Abigail Adams 1781-01-21 to
 John Quincy Adams (quoted in William J. Bennett 1997
 _The Spirit of America_ pg 223)

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl  Thu Nov  8 12:12:06 2001
From: tjalling.kikkert at stageholding.nl (Tjalling Kikkert)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:12:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change things in the config.db
Message-ID: <fc.0064ba74002c967d0064ba74002c967d.2c96e1@stageholding.nl>

Hi there,

I got 1 "small" problem:
I want to change the footer on the mail sent to my list. I did change the
Default.py but that doesn't affect x-isting lists. I can create a file
containing the things I want to change using "dumpdb databasefile", but
how can I get those changes to take effect? I don;t want to make a new
list...

any help appriciated
greetz,

Tjalling




From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Thu Nov  8 14:16:13 2001
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 07:16:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly reminder to users ...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111080714590.17859-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>

How can I turn off the monthly reminder to my subscribers?

thanks

Paul Schumacher
Winona State University





From Postfixuser at aol.com  Thu Nov  8 14:47:40 2001
From: Postfixuser at aol.com (Postfixuser at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 08:47:40 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i need help
Message-ID: <62.169c95f8.291be6fc@aol.com>

i have got a problem.

i want the all user, who are subscribed in the of all lists on a 
mailman-server, should be allowed to write to an other list on this server, 
bit the hole world should not be allowed.

how can i do this.

Thanks for your help.

Markus

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From sdinn at spine.cx  Thu Nov  8 15:27:39 2001
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:27:39 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111081024140.359-100000@spine.cx>

Can someone run down the steps required to have the downloadable version
of a month's archives gzipped automatically?

I've set cron to run 'nightly_gzip' every night, but that doesn't seem to
do anything.  It doesn't do anything when I run it explicitly either.  Is
there a trick to this?

Thanks,
   Steve.

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From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Thu Nov  8 15:46:48 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:46:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need information
References: <3BE8E605.522FF057@esc-larochelle.fr>
Message-ID: <3BEA9AD8.8F892BA2@abs-comptech.com>

You can block all mail from people not in the Email List.

I am not sure why you would want to block all mail from outside the
domain.  Perhaps you should remove the DNS information about the server
from outside accesss.  You can also unplug the network connection from
the internet, or configure a firewall to exclude access from unknown
networks.

Hope that helps.

Jean-Christophe DORE wrote:

> hi,
> I try MailMan ... nice ...
> but i need a special thing ...
> I need to block ( approbation ) all mail from "outside" ( not in our
> domain name ) ....
> I found nothing for that ????
>
> Solution or no ?
>
> Thank
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From david.ball at brahler-ics.co.uk  Thu Nov  8 16:05:40 2001
From: david.ball at brahler-ics.co.uk (David Ball)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:05:40 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors-to header
Message-ID: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DE8B@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>

I run a couple of low traffic lists for my company.  We're using mailman
2.0.1 at the moment, and we've just noticed something odd.

It seams that mailman is incorrectly setting the "Errors-To" field in
some out going messages.  As far as I can tell, this only effects
password reminders, where the "Errors-To" field is set to the admin
address for one of our lists, instead of "mailman-owner".

Some mail clients (lotus notes/domino being the only one I've seen) use
the "Errors-To" header under some circumstances - like when replying
using an out of office auto response.

This means that "out of office" responses to password reminders for
people who are only members of list1 are send to list2-admin.

Has anyone else come across this?
Is this fixed in v2.0.6?
Is this fixed in v2.1a3?


Many Thanks

Dave Ball



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov  8 17:05:05 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:05:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <00e601c1674c$42b63f60$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
References: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com> <01110623343106.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <00e601c1674c$42b63f60$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
Message-ID: <20011108110505.A27530@mems-exchange.org>

On 07 November 2001, V.S.Mony said:
> There is only a field with the description  'Hostname the list prefers'
> 
> Can we give multiple domains in that field?
> i mean abc.com,xyz.com in the same textbox?

No.

> Then will it recognise mails to both abc.com and xyz.com

It's not Mailman's job to recognize mail to the list (except for
filtering out "implicit sender" spam; that's a different option).  It's
your MTA's job.

        Greg



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov  8 17:26:50 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:26:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors-to header
In-Reply-To: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DE8B@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
References: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DE8B@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20011108112650.C27530@mems-exchange.org>

On 08 November 2001, David Ball said:
> It seams that mailman is incorrectly setting the "Errors-To" field in
> some out going messages.  As far as I can tell, this only effects
> password reminders, where the "Errors-To" field is set to the admin
> address for one of our lists, instead of "mailman-owner".

Yeah, I looked into that several months ago.  It boils down to this: the
script that sounds out password reminders is lazy and stupid, and just
uses the first viable sender address it can get its hands on.

> Has anyone else come across this?
> Is this fixed in v2.0.6?

No.

> Is this fixed in v2.1a3?

Don't know, but I sure hope so!

        Greg



From xnoellardin at sopra.com  Thu Nov  8 17:30:06 2001
From: xnoellardin at sopra.com (Xavier NOEL-LARDIN)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:30:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message queued
Message-ID: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE4BD@exchange.an.sopra>

hello,

I have just install a server, redHat 7.2 with the sendmail in default and 
mailman 2.0.5. I am installing this server for tests in the society.
I have a redhat server 7.1 with the same distribution of mailman and this 
work fine.(and people are happy)

On the new server when i send a mail to the list, the message is queued. 
When i go to the maillog i see : stat=queued

What can i do to resolve this poblem ?

thanks in advance.

regards

Xavier NOEL-LARDIN




From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Thu Nov  8 18:31:51 2001
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman nntp gateway and list names
In-Reply-To: <200111080412.UAA18407@utopia.West.Sun.COM>; from dmick@utopia.west.sun.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:12:55PM -0800
References: <200111080412.UAA18407@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <20011108123151.A9875@us.ibm.com>

On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 08:12:55PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> Once again, this has been significantly changed in 2.1; the headers
> which should be removed are now configurable from mm_cfg.
> The subject munging isn't there, but could be hacked (of course).

Good to know. I haven't yet looked at 2.1 due to lack of time but from the
features of read on the dev list I'm execited about it.

The NNTP_REMOVE_HEADERS and NNTP_REWRITE_DUPLICATE_HEADERS obviously won't
work for what I want but yes, this is along the right lines. Maybe we need a
NNTP_STRIP_LISTNAME option as well? 

  # When set to true the list name will be removed from the subject line
  # before posting to the nntp server. This will not affect the subject lines
  # for email posted to the mailing list.
  NNTP_STRIP_LISTNAME = true

It's now that I wish I picked up that python book :)

-- 
Regards,
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 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
 T/L 441-9289 / External 919-543-9289
 http://bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com/webcam




From cpowell at asciences.com  Thu Nov  8 17:54:01 2001
From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:54:01 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Delivery - Attachments
Message-ID: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155C04D@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>

Another question --

When subscribers attach files to a posting, regular delivery subscribers
receive it fine and in tact.  However, when digest messages are sent to the
digest delivery subscribers, the attachment is gibberish (machine code) at
the bottom of each posting.  Is there an option that I can choose to allow
digest subscribers to receive the attachment in tact?

__________________________________________
Camille Powell
Analytical Sciences, Inc.
cpowell at asciences.com



From graham at talkes.net  Thu Nov  8 18:46:11 2001
From: graham at talkes.net (graham at talkes.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 17:46:11 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user
Message-ID: <DMEDJECFEMCKKFCICNFOIENKCAAA.graham@talkes.net>

Hi,

I just set up my first mailing list and I'm a bit confused about one thing.
At the moment any mail sent to the list waits for me to approve it. Can I
set it up so that all the postings from the members go straight to the other
list members without me being involved?

If so, how do I do it?

Cheers

Gra

PS Sorry if its a silly question, but I'm new to this




From claw at 2wire.com  Thu Nov  8 18:49:10 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:49:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Delivery - Attachments 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Camille K. Powell" <cpowell@asciences.com> 
   of "Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:54:01 EST." <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155C04D@mail.asciences-survey-research.com> 
References: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155C04D@mail.asciences-survey-research.com> 
Message-ID: <6757.1005241750@2wire.com>

On Thu, 8 Nov 2001 11:54:01 -0500 
Camille K Powell <cpowell at asciences.com> wrote:

> Another question -- When subscribers attach files to a posting,
> regular delivery subscribers receive it fine and in tact.
> However, when digest messages are sent to the digest delivery
> subscribers, the attachment is gibberish (machine code) at the
> bottom of each posting.  Is there an option that I can choose to
> allow digest subscribers to receive the attachment in tact?

Yes, use MIME digests instead of plain text digests.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From mlampkin at lampkindesign.com  Thu Nov  8 19:05:36 2001
From: mlampkin at lampkindesign.com (Michael H. Lampkin)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:05:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of members backup?
Message-ID: <3BEAC970.DC27E90F@lampkindesign.com>

Is there a way to back-up the current list of members of my mailing list?

Thanks,
Mike
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*  The Lampkin Design Group  *    mlampkin at lampkindesign.com  *  
*  Houston, Texas            *  http://www.lampkindesign.com  *



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 19:31:06 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:31:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111081024140.359-100000@spine.cx>
Message-ID: <3BEACF6A.CE0D55D4@utopia.west.sun.com>


Steve Dinn wrote:
> 
> Can someone run down the steps required to have the downloadable version
> of a month's archives gzipped automatically?
> 
> I've set cron to run 'nightly_gzip' every night, but that doesn't seem to
> do anything.  It doesn't do anything when I run it explicitly either.  Is
> there a trick to this?

Your Python has to have the 'gzip' module installed, which not all do.



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 19:33:31 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:33:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors-to header
References: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DE8B@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk> <20011108112650.C27530@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3BEACFFB.330B58A7@utopia.west.sun.com>

> > Is this fixed in v2.1a3?
> 
> Don't know, but I sure hope so!

Yes; the sender is now the special list "mailman", which must be created and
have at least the site admin as a subscriber.  It ain't perfect, but it's
better.



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 19:34:26 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:34:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message queued
References: <6E566A7B95ACD511B8860090273F22C23FE4BD@exchange.an.sopra>
Message-ID: <3BEAD032.DAD2B5E6@utopia.west.sun.com>


Xavier NOEL-LARDIN wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> I have just install a server, redHat 7.2 with the sendmail in default and
> mailman 2.0.5. I am installing this server for tests in the society.
> I have a redhat server 7.1 with the same distribution of mailman and this
> work fine.(and people are happy)
> 
> On the new server when i send a mail to the list, the message is queued.
> When i go to the maillog i see : stat=queued
> 
> What can i do to resolve this poblem ?

What problem?



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 19:36:39 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:36:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user
References: <DMEDJECFEMCKKFCICNFOIENKCAAA.graham@talkes.net>
Message-ID: <3BEAD0B7.60AD1FB6@utopia.west.sun.com>


graham at talkes.net wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just set up my first mailing list and I'm a bit confused about one thing.
> At the moment any mail sent to the list waits for me to approve it. Can I
> set it up so that all the postings from the members go straight to the other
> list members without me being involved?

Of course.  You chose "moderated list", and that's what that means: you're
the moderator.  Don't use "moderation", and that requirement goes away.

> If so, how do I do it?

This, and many many options, are all settable through the web admin
interface.  Step through those pages and try to understand each setting.
Chris Kolar's documentation can be a help with that.



From sdinn at spine.cx  Thu Nov  8 20:29:19 2001
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:29:19 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
In-Reply-To: <3BEACF6A.CE0D55D4@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111081527130.1570-100000@spine.cx>

I appear to have it installed.  Are there any other possibilities?  Would
not having a module installed account for the script not producing *any*
output at all?

spine[root] /home/mailman/cron> ls /usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip*
/usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip.py
/usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip.pyc
/usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip.pyo
spine[root] /home/mailman/cron>


	-Steve


On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Dan Mick wrote:

> 
> 
> Steve Dinn wrote:
> > 
> > Can someone run down the steps required to have the downloadable version
> > of a month's archives gzipped automatically?
> > 
> > I've set cron to run 'nightly_gzip' every night, but that doesn't seem to
> > do anything.  It doesn't do anything when I run it explicitly either.  Is
> > there a trick to this?
> 
> Your Python has to have the 'gzip' module installed, which not all do.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From barry at zope.com  Thu Nov  8 20:32:06 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 14:32:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ-o-Matic
Message-ID: <15338.56758.381047.317350@anthem.wooz.org>

A while back it was suggested that we implement an on-line interactive
FAQ, where the community can add and expand on questions.  I've now
adapted the Python FAQ wizard to add a Mailman FAQ wizard.  See

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

There's only 3 questions and answers there so far, but you can help
make it a better FAQ!  I'm opening up access so that anybody can add
or change FAQ entries.  This is an honor system, and the password is
"Mailman".

Let me know if you think we need more, or different categories.

Enjoy!
-Barry



From michael.wilder at wcom.com  Thu Nov  8 20:39:32 2001
From: michael.wilder at wcom.com (Michael Wilder)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 13:39:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting an Archive Posting
Message-ID: <NEBBJCIBPKDBNCPJGLNDKEJJCIAA.michael.wilder@wcom.com>

Anyone have details on how to delete a posting from the archive?  I can't
seem to locate this functionality?

Thanks in advance,
Mike




From gaf at blu.org  Thu Nov  8 21:04:15 2001
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 15:04:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo get and index commands
Message-ID: <3BEA9EEF.20989.F6A346E1@localhost>

We just moved the Boston Linux and Unix  lists over to mailman and for 
the most part we are very pleased with mailman. We maintain some files 
on one of our lists where listmembers would access the files through the 
majordomo get command. 

Is there currently an easy way to configure mailman to provide access to 
these files (restricted to list members only). 
Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
Associate Director
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org



From ted-mailman at mob.net  Thu Nov  8 21:17:36 2001
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:17:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending out to list of 300+ users
Message-ID: <1005250656.3beae8608123b@www.mob.net>

Hello all. Any suggestions and ideas on this problem are welcome.

First of all, I recently switched to postfix after many years with sendmail and 
qmail. I really like it. So then I got majordomo working with it, then someone 
suggested I try Mailman and I really love this system. Thank you FSF & Python!

So it's easy enough to set up with a little looking around. I set it up and set 
up 4 lists on it. 3 of them with under 20 people on it, and one (for my father) 
over 300 people. The smaller lists work perfectly. That is, until my father 
sends out to his list of 300+ people. According to the mail logs, the incoming 
mail to the server is received to the list and it is sent back to my father for 
approval (as I have set it up intentionally). So he approves it, and it sends 
emails out to exactly 53 of the 300+ members. Then it stops sending with no 
errors (I've checked all of postfix's and syslog's logs). Not only that, but 
everything else with Mailman is then foobarred. Now when any of the smaller 
lists send to it, postfix records receiving it but then it doesn't do the next 
step such as sending it out to the users on the list or going to the admin for 
approval. It (Mailman) just stops dead cold. No more outgoing traffic or errors 
explaining why. 

So, upon examining every log I could think of, I finally just Reload postfix 
using the included scripts. Then, all of a sudden, everything starts 
processing. All mail waiting to go to the admins for approval or waiting to go 
to the end users on all the different lists are suddenly sent out as quickly 
and efficiently as everything normally goes with Mailman. All mail except the 
remaining 240+ people on my dad's list. Mail to those listmembers has 
disappeared.

So.... I decided to try this again. Same thing. Dad sends mail out to the list, 
it goes to exactly 53 people and dies again, and makes Postfix go goofy again. 
Outside of this combined Postfix/Mailman problem, the mail server acts as 
normal, processing all other traffic. I almost suspect that this is much more 
of a Mailman than postfix problem. I think I'm good enough with postfix to know 
if its a problem there and it doesn't appear to be. But I can't be sure because 
it is partially resolved just by my reloading the MTA. 

Strangely enough, these 53 users are the exact same 53 from the first time. 

I've checked over mailing lists for the last few months reading a lot of things 
(since what an email of this subject would be called) and didn't find anything. 
And nothing on this is in the FAQs or Manuals that I can tell. 

Anyone have any idea? Anything at all? 


HELP! 


-ted



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 21:37:56 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:37:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
Message-ID: <200111082037.MAA16975@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Other than reading the code, which I'm assuming you've done, nothing
pops to mind.  ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX has to be either 1 or 2, and 
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES needs to be 0.  Try -v and see if that
illuminates anything.

> I appear to have it installed.  Are there any other possibilities?  Would
> not having a module installed account for the script not producing *any*
> output at all?
> 
> spine[root] /home/mailman/cron> ls /usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip*
> /usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip.py
> /usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip.pyc
> /usr/local/lib/python1.6/gzip.pyo
> spine[root] /home/mailman/cron>
> 
> 
> 	-Steve
> 
> 
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Steve Dinn wrote:
> > > 
> > > Can someone run down the steps required to have the downloadable version
> > > of a month's archives gzipped automatically?
> > > 
> > > I've set cron to run 'nightly_gzip' every night, but that doesn't seem to
> > > do anything.  It doesn't do anything when I run it explicitly either.  Is
> > > there a trick to this?
> > 
> > Your Python has to have the 'gzip' module installed, which not all do.
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> -- 
>  Steve Dinn                       email:  mailto:sdinn at spine.cx
>                                     www:  http://spine.cx/
> 
>             Join my fight against Subway's new cut!
>                   http://spine.cx/subway/
> 




From jkeenan at blkcat.com  Thu Nov  8 22:21:00 2001
From: jkeenan at blkcat.com (Joe Keenan)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:21:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of members backup?
In-Reply-To: <3BEAC970.DC27E90F@lampkindesign.com>
Message-ID: <81D29998-D48E-11D5-B7B1-003065F5E824@blkcat.com>

cd ~mailman
bin/list_members {listname} > listname.backup

joe

On Thursday, November 8, 2001, at 01:05  PM, Michael H. Lampkin wrote:

> Is there a way to back-up the current list of members of my mailing list?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> --
> *  Michael H. Lampkin        *  advertising/design/web design *
> *  The Lampkin Design Group  *    mlampkin at lampkindesign.com  *
> *  Houston, Texas            *  http://www.lampkindesign.com  *
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From mlampkin at lampkindesign.com  Thu Nov  8 22:30:30 2001
From: mlampkin at lampkindesign.com (Michael H. Lampkin)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 15:30:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman
Message-ID: <3BEAF974.9D4A6215@lampkindesign.com>

Thanks for all the help regarding backing up a list member list. 

However, I've just discovered that my lists are down due to some unknown
(to me) error. Last successful posting was more than a week ago... just
about the time ColdFusion was installed on my server. (possible culprit)

When executing a script, I get this error:

% bin/list_members mylist
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/list_members", line 59, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
ImportError: No module named Mailman

Anyone have any ideas what I have wrecked?

Cheers,
Mike

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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov  8 22:45:20 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 13:45:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named Mailman
Message-ID: <200111082144.NAA20611@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> % bin/list_members mylist
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/list_members", line 59, in ?
>     from Mailman import MailList
> ImportError: No module named Mailman
> 
> Anyone have any ideas what I have wrecked?

1) are you in the $prefix directory when you execute this?
2) is there a $prefix/Mailman directory?
3) does paths.py exist in bin/?




From ted-mailman at mob.net  Fri Nov  9 00:04:05 2001
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 17:04:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update: Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending out to list of 300+ users
In-Reply-To: <1005250656.3beae8608123b@www.mob.net>
References: <1005250656.3beae8608123b@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <1005260645.3beb0f6535b15@www.mob.net>

Okay, I ran xtail on several of the files when I restarted postfix to see if 
that would show many anything. And it did! Here's what I received. 

*** error ***
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285): Traceback (most recent call last):
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 
282, in ?
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):      kids = main(lock)
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 
195, in main
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):      lock.refresh()
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):   
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285):      raise NotLockedError
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 qrunner(30285): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError  

*** smtp ***
Nov 08 16:56:31 2001 (30412) smtp for 257 recips, completed in 3207.858 seconds
Nov 08 16:56:29 2001 (30285) All recipients refused: please run connect() first
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 (30285) smtp for 257 recips, completed in 3323.412 seconds
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 (30412) All recipients refused: please run connect() first

*** smtp-failure ***
Nov 08 16:56:30 2001 (30285) -1 some-email-addy at aol.com (ignore) 

(repeat above line 257 times, one for each missed mail in the list)


These errors look like they are going to be helpful... unfortunately, not to 
me. Rather only to people who understand them, especially the ones within 
the "error" file. Can anyone help me translate and see whatever I've broken or 
possibly misconfigured?

Thanks.

-ted


Quoting Ted M Harapat <ted-mailman at mob.net>:

> Hello all. Any suggestions and ideas on this problem are welcome.
> 
> First of all, I recently switched to postfix after many years with
> sendmail and 
> qmail. I really like it. So then I got majordomo working with it, then
> someone 
> suggested I try Mailman and I really love this system. Thank you FSF &
> Python!
> 
> So it's easy enough to set up with a little looking around. I set it up
> and set 
> up 4 lists on it. 3 of them with under 20 people on it, and one (for my
> father) 
> over 300 people. The smaller lists work perfectly. That is, until my
> father 
> sends out to his list of 300+ people. According to the mail logs, the
> incoming 
> mail to the server is received to the list and it is sent back to my
> father for 
> approval (as I have set it up intentionally). So he approves it, and it
> sends 
> emails out to exactly 53 of the 300+ members. Then it stops sending with
> no 
> errors (I've checked all of postfix's and syslog's logs). Not only that,
> but 
> everything else with Mailman is then foobarred. Now when any of the
> smaller 
> lists send to it, postfix records receiving it but then it doesn't do
> the next 
> step such as sending it out to the users on the list or going to the
> admin for 
> approval. It (Mailman) just stops dead cold. No more outgoing traffic or
> errors 
> explaining why. 
> 
> So, upon examining every log I could think of, I finally just Reload
> postfix 
> using the included scripts. Then, all of a sudden, everything starts 
> processing. All mail waiting to go to the admins for approval or waiting
> to go 
> to the end users on all the different lists are suddenly sent out as
> quickly 
> and efficiently as everything normally goes with Mailman. All mail
> except the 
> remaining 240+ people on my dad's list. Mail to those listmembers has 
> disappeared.
> 
> So.... I decided to try this again. Same thing. Dad sends mail out to
> the list, 
> it goes to exactly 53 people and dies again, and makes Postfix go goofy
> again. 
> Outside of this combined Postfix/Mailman problem, the mail server acts
> as 
> normal, processing all other traffic. I almost suspect that this is much
> more 
> of a Mailman than postfix problem. I think I'm good enough with postfix
> to know 
> if its a problem there and it doesn't appear to be. But I can't be sure
> because 
> it is partially resolved just by my reloading the MTA. 
> 
> Strangely enough, these 53 users are the exact same 53 from the first
> time. 
> 
> I've checked over mailing lists for the last few months reading a lot of
> things 
> (since what an email of this subject would be called) and didn't find
> anything. 
> And nothing on this is in the FAQs or Manuals that I can tell. 
> 
> Anyone have any idea? Anything at all? 
> 
> 
> HELP! 
> 
> 
> -ted
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From jobrooks at us.dhl.com  Fri Nov  9 00:53:42 2001
From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:53:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations on Reminders?
References: <15338.56758.381047.317350@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3BEB1B06.F3C6AC44@us.dhl.com>

Are there plans to extend the reminders capabilities, possibly 
something that would send out quarterly reminders to the list 
owners?

There seems to be a tendency to let lists languish unused...for
years...and if they are reminded (say 2 or 4 times a year), maybe
they'll send in a request to decommission the lists when they are
no longer needed.   :)

It's not a huge request, but anything to prevent me from having
to chase down list admins coudl be helpful.


Regards,
Jo Brooks
DHL Worldwide Express
Systems Support Group



From Culley_Harrelson at pgn.com  Fri Nov  9 01:10:08 2001
From: Culley_Harrelson at pgn.com (Culley Harrelson)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:10:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max length for email address
Message-ID: <sbeaae63.046@pgn.com>

Hi,

I just loaded 10,000 email address into a new list and a bunch (200+) bounced in the first "announcement" because it looks like their email address got truncated at 30 characters.  Is this a default setting?  Can it be changed?  I looked through the admin interface and couldn't find anything related...

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From culleyharrelson at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 01:47:10 2001
From: culleyharrelson at yahoo.com (Culley Harrelson)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:47:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max length for email address
Message-ID: <20011109004710.51752.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I just loaded 10,000 email address into a new list and a bunch (200+)
bounced because it looks like their email address got truncated at 30
characters.  Is this a default setting?  Can it be changed?  I looked
through the admin interface and couldn't find anything related...

culley

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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Nov  9 01:54:10 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:54:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max length for email address
Message-ID: <200111090053.QAA02160@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I just loaded 10,000 email address into a new list and a bunch (200+)
> bounced because it looks like their email address got truncated at 30
> characters.  Is this a default setting?  Can it be changed?  I looked
> through the admin interface and couldn't find anything related...

I'm not aware of any such limitation either.  When you say "loaded",
how do you mean?




From culleyharrelson at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 03:46:10 2001
From: culleyharrelson at yahoo.com (Culley Harrelson)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 18:46:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max length for email address
In-Reply-To: <200111090053.QAA02160@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108181409.00a9c2c0@pop.mail.yahoo.com>

I used add_members to load a text file containing a list of email 
addresses.  Who knows what happened!  It looks like most of those over 30 
characters got truncated.  I very well could have just screwed up somewhere...

I'm just going to pump the ones that I think bounced back in and rely on 
the program to catch the duplicates...

While I'm posting... Is there some way to automatically discard posts that 
need to be approved by the admin?  No one will ever be able to post to this 
list who isn't approved...

culley

At 04:54 PM 11/8/01 -0800, you wrote:

> > I just loaded 10,000 email address into a new list and a bunch (200+)
> > bounced because it looks like their email address got truncated at 30
> > characters.  Is this a default setting?  Can it be changed?  I looked
> > through the admin interface and couldn't find anything related...
>
>I'm not aware of any such limitation either.  When you say "loaded",
>how do you mean?





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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Nov  9 04:09:12 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 19:09:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] max length for email address
Message-ID: <200111090308.TAA07727@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> While I'm posting... Is there some way to automatically discard posts that 
> need to be approved by the admin?  No one will ever be able to post to this 
> list who isn't approved...

Not without hackery.  I've done such hackery, but it takes a little
Python boilerplating.




From john at nisus.com  Fri Nov  9 07:38:32 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 22:38:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user
Message-ID: <l03130301b811295c5e47@[207.215.130.171]>

> I just set up my first mailing list and I'm a bit
> confused about one thing.  At the moment any mail
> sent to the list waits for me to approve it.  Can
> I set it up so that all the postings from the
> members go straight to the other list members
> without me being involved?

Here's the way I found:

bin/config_list -o somefiletoholdconfig listname

vi somefiletoholdconfig
:s/moderated = 1/moderated = 0/
:wq

bin/config_list -i comefiletoholdconfig listname

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 11:19:07 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:19:07 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New user
In-Reply-To: <l03130301b811295c5e47@[207.215.130.171]>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011109101046.029d6260@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 22:38 08/11/2001 -0800, jgo wrote:
> > I just set up my first mailing list and I'm a bit
> > confused about one thing.  At the moment any mail
> > sent to the list waits for me to approve it.  Can
> > I set it up so that all the postings from the
> > members go straight to the other list members
> > without me being involved?
>
>Here's the way I found:
>
>bin/config_list -o somefiletoholdconfig listname
>
>vi somefiletoholdconfig
>:s/moderated = 1/moderated = 0/
>:wq
>
>bin/config_list -i comefiletoholdconfig listname

It is probably simpler to go to the Privacy page of the web UI for 
administering the list where you will find the "Must posts be approved by 
an administrator?" option under the  "General posting filters" heading. 
This set the list variable 'moderated'.

You might also like to check out the default value of the Mailman 
configuration variable DEFAULT_MODERATED in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py and 
check if that has been overridden in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. This sets 
the default value for new lists when they are created. In the standard 
distribution it usually defaults to value 0 (zero) which means the list is 
not moderated.






From djrosen at massed.net  Fri Nov  9 17:05:53 2001
From: djrosen at massed.net (djrosen at massed.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <RELAY150tl7yfYiMqzs00001779@relay1.softcomca.com>

I am a moderator of an electronic list which uses mailman.  I review all messages before approving them.  I would like to be able to see the entire message before I approve it, but now, if the message is long, I can only see a portion of it.  Is there a way to set administrator options so that a list moderator can review the whole message before approval?  If so, how?

Thanks.

David J. Rosen

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From fuzzy at outgun.com  Fri Nov  9 17:07:36 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:07:36 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "TRI-MIRACLE $22-Don't Pay $60-Ours Is Better"!!!
Message-ID: <20011109160736.23920.qmail@outgun.com>

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From alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch  Fri Nov  9 17:16:40 2001
From: alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 17:16:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about a configuration parameter in Mailman 2.0.6
Message-ID: <3BEC0168.84853B6D@medecine.unige.ch>

Hello,

I have a little question about one configuration under
Mailman 2.0.6

I dont see the exact sens in the Privacy Options at the heading:

"Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp."

Is there anybody help me to teach me the goal of this heading? 

and in second step:

What hear you by regexp?

many thanks in advance.

Alain.
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From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Fri Nov  9 17:17:44 2001
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:17:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ-o-Matic
In-Reply-To: <15338.56758.381047.317350@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15338.56758.381047.317350@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <15340.424.7205.533860@daimi.au.dk>

Barry A. Warsaw writes:

 >     http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 > 
 > There's only 3 questions and answers there so far, but you can help
 > make it a better FAQ!  I'm opening up access so that anybody can add
 > or change FAQ entries.  This is an honor system, and the password is
 > "Mailman".
 > 
 > Let me know if you think we need more, or different categories.

At the time of this writing, there are already 10 questions/answers!
I think it would great with more categories. A possible list could for 
example be (numbers in parenthesis refer to the current questions):

Introduction (or General) (1.1,1.2,1.3)
Installation (initial, upgrading, applying patches)
Configuring your MTA (from README's for postfix, exim, ...)
List administration (1.5,1.8)
Troubleshooting (1.4, 1.7, 1.9, 1.10)
Internationalization
Documentation


Kaja




From chk at pobox.com  Fri Nov  9 17:41:59 2001
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:41:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: List of members backup?
In-Reply-To: jkeenan's message of "Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:21:00 -0500".
	 <81D29998-D48E-11D5-B7B1-003065F5E824@blkcat.com> 
References: <81D29998-D48E-11D5-B7B1-003065F5E824@blkcat.com>
Message-ID: <7378.1005324119@eloise.cfrq.net>

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Joe Keenan
had to walk into mine and say:
> cd ~mailman
> bin/list_members {listname} > listname.backup

That's not a real backup; it doesn't preserve the user flags.

(The easiest way to allow people to post to a "members-only" list
 appears to be to add them as list subscribers with the "nomail" flag
 set.)

-- 
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"It takes a child to raze a village."
		-Michael T. Fry



From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 18:28:56 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:28:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Many options "hidden" in the Defaults.py file
References: <RELAY150tl7yfYiMqzs00001779@relay1.softcomca.com>
Message-ID: <005c01c16944$02acdba0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

There are many options for configuring Mailman which are "hidden" in the
~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py file.  Of course they are only "hidden" because
folks don't look for them there...

Read through that file and if you find yourself wanting to make changes,
then please make those changes in the file: mm_cfg.py (and NOT in
Defaults.py).  The file mm_cfg.py over-rides the choices in Defaults.py.

The particular feature you want is in that file:
===
# how many bytes of a held message post should be displayed in the admindb
web
# page?  Use a negative number to indicate the entire message, regardless of
# size (though this will slow down rendering those pages).
ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT = 4096
===

Here is a copy of my mm_cfg.py file.  Some of settings were put in during
install and I added the others to match my install and my preferences for
default list creation:
===
from Defaults import *
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'haht.com'
#  by default my archives are off.
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = 0                               # 0=Off, 1=On
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE    = 0                    # 0=public, 1=private
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1
DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_VOLUME_FREQUENCY = 1
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 0
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = 0
GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES = 0
ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0
DEFAULT_CHARSET = None
VERBATIM_ENCODING = ['iso-2022-jp']
# I don't push any of my lists out to newsgroups
NNTP_USERNAME = None
NNTP_PASSWORD = None
DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST = 'www.haht.com'
# I like to look at a huge hunk of my users on any one admin page
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100
DEFAULT_LIST_ADVERTISED = 1
DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 0
DEFAULT_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE = 40           # KB
# my lists are supposed to sponsor discussion, so *yes* the
# default relpy is to the list!
DEFAULT_REPLY_GOES_TO_LIST = 1
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1
DEFAULT_PRIVATE_ROSTER = 2
DEFAULT_NONDIGESTABLE = 1
DEFAULT_DIGESTABLE = 0
DEFAULT_DIGEST_HEADER = ""
DEFAULT_DIGEST_FOOTER = DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER
DEFAULT_DIGEST_IS_DEFAULT = 0
DEFAULT_MIME_IS_DEFAULT_DIGEST = 0
DEFAULT_DIGEST_SIZE_THRESHHOLD = 30     # KB
DEFAULT_DIGEST_SEND_PERIODIC = 1
DEFAULT_PLAIN_DIGEST_KEEP_HEADERS = ['message', 'date', 'from',
                                     'subject', 'to', 'cc',
                                     'reply-to', 'organization']

DEFAULT_MAX_POSTS_BETWEEN_BOUNCES = 3
===

HTH - Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: <djrosen at massed.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 11:05 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


> I am a moderator of an electronic list which uses mailman.  I review all
messages before approving them.  I would like to be able to see the entire
message before I approve it, but now, if the message is long, I can only see
a portion of it.  Is there a way to set administrator options so that a list
moderator can review the whole message before approval?  If so, how?
>
> Thanks.
>
> David J. Rosen
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> http://mail2web.com/ .
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Nov  9 18:39:59 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 12:39:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
In-Reply-To: <3BEACF6A.CE0D55D4@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111081024140.359-100000@spine.cx> <3BEACF6A.CE0D55D4@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20011109123959.A32731@mems-exchange.org>

On 08 November 2001, Dan Mick said:
> Your Python has to have the 'gzip' module installed, which not all do.

Don't you mean "zlib"?

        Greg



From sdinn at spine.cx  Fri Nov  9 18:50:19 2001
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:50:19 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
In-Reply-To: <20011109123959.A32731@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091349380.6636-100000@spine.cx>

Yeah, I think he did actually mean zlib, because that's what actually
turned out to be the case.  I was missing zlib.

Thanks for your help :)

	-Steve.


On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Greg Ward wrote:

> On 08 November 2001, Dan Mick said:
> > Your Python has to have the 'gzip' module installed, which not all do.
> 
> Don't you mean "zlib"?
> 
>         Greg
> 
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From sdinn at spine.cx  Fri Nov  9 19:01:43 2001
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:01:43 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Optimizing sendmail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091359290.6726-100000@spine.cx>

I know that the question I'm about to ask doesn't relate specifically to
mailman, but I thought that I'd be in the company of people who are more
qualified than most to answer it:

In what ways can sendmail be tweaked or otherwised optimized for sending
out a large number of emails at once?  This is the case everytime someone
posts to a list withi lots of subscribers, so I thought it relevant.

Anyone?

	-Steve.

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From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 19:21:49 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:21:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations on Reminders?
References: <15338.56758.381047.317350@anthem.wooz.org> <3BEB1B06.F3C6AC44@us.dhl.com>
Message-ID: <009101c1694b$65f010e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Try this script...

#!/bin/bash
#  Mail reminders to list admins
#
# dump all the list names to LISTS
LISTS="`~mailman/bin/list_lists |grep "^ " |awk '{ print $1 }' `"
#
for i in $LISTS
do
   mail -s "To the Admin of list: $i" $i-admin <~mailman/reminder.msg
done
# /home/mailman/reminder.msg is the reminder message sent to each admin

===
Save the above script as /usr/local/sbin/mm_reminder
Create a file with a reminder message in it and save it in
~mailman/reminder.msg
Edit your crontab and add the following line:

10  2  15  3,6,9,12  *   /usr/local/sbin/mm_reminder

Viola!  Your admins are reminded every March, June, Sept, Dec 15 at 2:10am

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jo Brooks" <jobrooks at us.dhl.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 6:53 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations on Reminders?


> Are there plans to extend the reminders capabilities, possibly
> something that would send out quarterly reminders to the list
> owners?
>
> There seems to be a tendency to let lists languish unused...for
> years...and if they are reminded (say 2 or 4 times a year), maybe
> they'll send in a request to decommission the lists when they are
> no longer needed.   :)
>
> It's not a huge request, but anything to prevent me from having
> to chase down list admins coudl be helpful.
>
>
> Regards,
> Jo Brooks
> DHL Worldwide Express
> Systems Support Group
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov  9 19:24:05 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:24:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Optimizing sendmail 
In-Reply-To: Message from Steve Dinn <sdinn@spine.cx> 
   of "Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:01:43 -0400." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091359290.6726-100000@spine.cx> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091359290.6726-100000@spine.cx> 
Message-ID: <13725.1005330245@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:01:43 -0400 (AST) 
Steve Dinn <sdinn at spine.cx> wrote:

> In what ways can sendmail be tweaked or otherwised optimized for
> sending out a large number of emails at once?  This is the case
> everytime someone posts to a list withi lots of subscribers, so I
> thought it relevant.

Mostly you replace Sendmail with a better MTA.

I'd suggest searching the -developers archives for the moderately
extensive discussion Chuq von Roshpach and I had on this area
earlier this year. (I think it was this year).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From biennt79 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 18:26:16 2001
From: biennt79 at yahoo.com (Bien)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:26:16 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman !!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091359290.6726-100000@spine.cx>
Message-ID: <006f01c16943$ac936270$1a01a8c0@vnschool.net>

Hi Experts !
I've just installed Mailmain from rpm file (come from RedHat CD 7.1 #3)
after configured Apache, Sendmail. (I'd tested them well)
I created a new list named foo.
then launch browser, and subcribed to the list.
No error display ! No error from sendmail or Apache too. !!
But user that I subscribed was not in the foo list.
Did I do something wrong ??

Please help me !

BienNT



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From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 19:34:17 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 13:34:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending out to list of 300+ users
References: <1005250656.3beae8608123b@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <00a301c1694d$23b7f060$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Just out of left field, but when you put in the mailing addresses for your
dad's list, how did you do it? Manually, or did you feed them in via
"add_members"?  Check the list and see what the 53rd and 54th address are,
then go back to your import list and check out those addresses for errors...

Might not help, but it's certainly something to look at while you are
waiting for inspiration.

Another thought - how much space does your server have available (df)?  How
is your memory on your server (top)?  Could you be running out of resources?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending out
to list of 300+ users


> Hello all. Any suggestions and ideas on this problem are welcome.
>
> First of all, I recently switched to postfix after many years with
sendmail and
> qmail. I really like it. So then I got majordomo working with it, then
someone
> suggested I try Mailman and I really love this system. Thank you FSF &
Python!
>
> So it's easy enough to set up with a little looking around. I set it up
and set
> up 4 lists on it. 3 of them with under 20 people on it, and one (for my
father)
> over 300 people. The smaller lists work perfectly. That is, until my
father
> sends out to his list of 300+ people. According to the mail logs, the
incoming
> mail to the server is received to the list and it is sent back to my
father for
> approval (as I have set it up intentionally). So he approves it, and it
sends
> emails out to exactly 53 of the 300+ members. Then it stops sending with
no
> errors (I've checked all of postfix's and syslog's logs). Not only that,
but
> everything else with Mailman is then foobarred. Now when any of the
smaller
> lists send to it, postfix records receiving it but then it doesn't do the
next
> step such as sending it out to the users on the list or going to the admin
for
> approval. It (Mailman) just stops dead cold. No more outgoing traffic or
errors
> explaining why.
>
> So, upon examining every log I could think of, I finally just Reload
postfix
> using the included scripts. Then, all of a sudden, everything starts
> processing. All mail waiting to go to the admins for approval or waiting
to go
> to the end users on all the different lists are suddenly sent out as
quickly
> and efficiently as everything normally goes with Mailman. All mail except
the
> remaining 240+ people on my dad's list. Mail to those listmembers has
> disappeared.
>
> So.... I decided to try this again. Same thing. Dad sends mail out to the
list,
> it goes to exactly 53 people and dies again, and makes Postfix go goofy
again.
> Outside of this combined Postfix/Mailman problem, the mail server acts as
> normal, processing all other traffic. I almost suspect that this is much
more
> of a Mailman than postfix problem. I think I'm good enough with postfix to
know
> if its a problem there and it doesn't appear to be. But I can't be sure
because
> it is partially resolved just by my reloading the MTA.
>
> Strangely enough, these 53 users are the exact same 53 from the first
time.
>
> I've checked over mailing lists for the last few months reading a lot of
things
> (since what an email of this subject would be called) and didn't find
anything.
> And nothing on this is in the FAQs or Manuals that I can tell.
>
> Anyone have any idea? Anything at all?
>
>
> HELP!
>
>
> -ted
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 20:16:47 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:16:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo get and index commands
References: <3BEA9EEF.20989.F6A346E1@localhost>
Message-ID: <00a901c16953$13ffae50$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The best way to do this with Mailman is give access to the files via a web
page.  Dump out the user list to an htaccess file and point users to that
website.  Restrict its access via the htaccess file.

I would suggest that you let the users login using their email address and
that you use their mailman password for access.  If you cruise through the
archives you'll see a discussion of this from about a month (or more) ago.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Feldman" <gaf at blu.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:04 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo get and index commands


> We just moved the Boston Linux and Unix  lists over to mailman and for
> the most part we are very pleased with mailman. We maintain some files
> on one of our lists where listmembers would access the files through the
> majordomo get command.
>
> Is there currently an easy way to configure mailman to provide access to
> these files (restricted to list members only).
> Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
> Associate Director
> Boston Linux and Unix user group
> http://www.blu.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 20:25:24 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:25:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting an Archive Posting
References: <NEBBJCIBPKDBNCPJGLNDKEJJCIAA.michael.wilder@wcom.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c16954$47c97940$0b04010a@JCARNES>

There may be a better way of doing it, but I have always just gone into the
files and deleted the entries by hand.  You will find all the archives in:
  ~mailman/archives/private/...

I believe that you can simply delete the offending messages, then delete the
html pages and run the command ~mailman/bin/arch.  To be on the safe side
though, I would simply move the old html files out of the directory and then
run arch...

=== ~mailman/bin/arch ===
Rebuild a list's archive.

Use this command to rebuild the archives for a mailing list.  You may want
to
do this if you edit some messages in an archive, or remove some messages
from
an archive.

Usage: arch <listname> [<mbox>] [-h]

Where <mbox> is the path to a list's complete mbox archive.  Usually this
will
be some path in the archives/private directory.  For example:

bin/arch mylist archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox

<mbox> is optional.  If it is missing, it is calculated.
======

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Wilder" <michael.wilder at wcom.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting an Archive Posting


> Anyone have details on how to delete a posting from the archive?  I can't
> seem to locate this functionality?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 20:43:34 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:43:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i need help
References: <62.169c95f8.291be6fc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00f601c16956$d3fd2090$0b04010a@JCARNES>

If you want to create a list that all your mailman users can post to (but no
one else) then you will need to write a small script to create (or update)
the list.  You can find the script in the archives....<this is me cruising
through my personal archives>...... Ahh here is one (Thanks to Shane
Beasley)

list_lists | grep "^ " |awk '{ print $1 }' | grep -iv foo_all | \
 xargs -rl list_members | sync_members -f - -w=no foo_all

This assumes that ~mailman/bin is in your search path, since the commands
list_list, list_members, and sync_members are all in that directory.  This
line of code dumps out all the list names, prints out the names of every
member of every list and feeds those names into sync_members which then
updates the list "foo_all".  Setup a chron job to run hourly and this list
will updated hourly.

Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Postfixuser at aol.com
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 8:47 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] i need help


  i have got a problem.

  i want the all user, who are subscribed in the of all lists on a
mailman-server, should be allowed to write to an other list on this server,
bit the hole world should not be allowed.

  how can i do this.

  Thanks for your help.

  Markus

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From jerry at sandiego.edu  Fri Nov  9 20:43:43 2001
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:43:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variations on Reminders?
In-Reply-To: <3BEB1B06.F3C6AC44@us.dhl.com>
References: <15338.56758.381047.317350@anthem.wooz.org>
 <3BEB1B06.F3C6AC44@us.dhl.com>
Message-ID: <p05101004b811e20cb61a@[199.106.12.16]>

>There seems to be a tendency to let lists languish unused...for
>years...and if they are reminded (say 2 or 4 times a year), maybe
>they'll send in a request to decommission the lists when they are
>no longer needed.   :)
>
>It's not a huge request, but anything to prevent me from having
>to chase down list admins coudl be helpful.

I take a more pro-active approach; once a year (and it's about that 
time again...) I send out a message to every list's managers. Any 
that don't respond get a second, and then third warning. After that, 
the list is deleted.

But I use a separate (FileMaker) database to hold list information, 
and it can automatically do this for me (except the list deletion 
part).

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi



From ted-mailman at mob.net  Fri Nov  9 21:04:11 2001
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 14:04:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending out to list of 300+ users
In-Reply-To: <00a301c1694d$23b7f060$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <1005250656.3beae8608123b@www.mob.net> <00a301c1694d$23b7f060$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <1005336251.3bec36bb6e638@www.mob.net>

Hi Jon. 

(These emails always get so damned long, but its hard to tell in details whats 
going wrong or how to fix anything otherwise. Sorry.)

Well.... my father entered them into the list. And he did it through the web 
inteface. I think thats considered manually. I don't know what the 54rd one is 
but I didn't look because the list was entered alphabetically and when it sends 
out, mailman (and eventually postfix) sent them out in chunks based on domain 
name (as all good MTAs should). And those domains were alphabetically all over 
the list (since it wasn't sorted by domains). 

As for the system. Its brad new (sort of). Its a brand new linux install (of a 
current distro released less than 2 months ago) on a old Dual Pentium Pro 200 
box with over 75GB of disk (almost all using ReiserFS), only abuot 7GB being 
used right now. And over half the disk (especially where the system files 
reside at) is UltraWide SCSI 10k rpm. Memory is at 320MB with 256MB swap. The 
system runs lots of services but doesn't even come close to running out of CPU, 
disk space, I/O, memory, or administrator patience (most of the time).

Here's what else I've come up with. (And I wish more people would talk about 
fixes to lists after they post questions and then figure it out and never 
report back.) This has to do with the qrunner lock files. It appears that like 
so many others, the Mailman tool (or something) messes up something and it 
creates a lockfile in /home/mailman/locks that corresponds to a qrunner process 
running. And you can't process anymore queue till that's completed. 

So you can do one of two things... wait until it finishes which could take 
close to forever. I never have waited it out. Or you can kill it manually and 
delete the qrunner lock files. Then rerun qrunner. Sometimes it processes the 
smaller (non 300+ user) lists and those go out, but the remaining 257 users of 
my dad's list are still in those hard to read qfiles. Somehow I know that's 
slowing up the system and so those qrunner processes never run and the lock 
files never go away. 

So I stayed up much later that I should have last night and here's what I did:

I first adjusted the smtpd_recipient_limit variable in /etc/postfix/main.cf 
from 100 to 1000. That didn't appear to help. So then I set root's cron to run 
every 5 minutes to rerun the Postfix supplied "/etc/rc.d/init.d/postfix 
restart" command. This reloads everything and seems to allow that qrunner 
process to complete(?) or just die. But seeing as the lock file goes away and 
it restarts the next minute with cron calls qrunner, there's a small chance 
that it will process mail going to the other smaller lists on my server. (This 
is part of the mystery - how does restart postfix release that qrunner file to 
send out it's mail finally!?) So at that point I was tired and wanted sleep. So 
I went to bed and left root cron doing that restart. And in the morning all 
mail going to the small lists (which I'm subscribed to) went out and I received 
them all. That was my plan, I was happy. I was hoping someone would reply to my 
messages with some magical fix for my dad's list.

Then my dad called me all excited this morning saying that both emails to his 
list of 300 went out to the remaining 257 list members (thats 514 emails 
total). But he said they didn't go out till nearly 7am. And I hadn't changed 
anything since around 1:30am. So it took 5.5 hours for it to process all of 
that?! If so, was it that just that I was stopping that stuck qrunner process 
every five minutes or was it a combination of that plus the new 
smtpd_recipient_limit variable that maade it go? 

Oh, and Jon, I did find your shell script (the one about Jeff B and a 
misconfigured browser) in a list archinve with the for loop showing how to 
delete and kill the qrunner locks and processes. I touched up some of the 
syntax for my OS and ls output. But that didn't work for me. It just seemed to 
never process anything. Perhaps I was impatient.

So.... I'm still stuck with qrunner locking files even though I do have this 
temporary work around. Oh, and the lock files are gone now that my entire list 
has proccessed the qfiles. I imagine that I could stop restarting postfix so 
often. 



Living with a mysterious fix,

-ted



Quoting Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com>:

> Just out of left field, but when you put in the mailing addresses for
> your
> dad's list, how did you do it? Manually, or did you feed them in via
> "add_members"?  Check the list and see what the 53rd and 54th address
> are,
> then go back to your import list and check out those addresses for
> errors...
> 
> Might not help, but it's certainly something to look at while you are
> waiting for inspiration.
> 
> Another thought - how much space does your server have available (df)? 
> How
> is your memory on your server (top)?  Could you be running out of
> resources?
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted M Harapat" <ted-mailman at mob.net>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 3:17 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending
> out
> to list of 300+ users
> 
> 
> > Hello all. Any suggestions and ideas on this problem are welcome.
> >
> > First of all, I recently switched to postfix after many years with
> sendmail and
> > qmail. I really like it. So then I got majordomo working with it,
> then
> someone
> > suggested I try Mailman and I really love this system. Thank you FSF
> &
> Python!
> >
> > So it's easy enough to set up with a little looking around. I set it
> up
> and set
> > up 4 lists on it. 3 of them with under 20 people on it, and one (for
> my
> father)
> > over 300 people. The smaller lists work perfectly. That is, until my
> father
> > sends out to his list of 300+ people. According to the mail logs,
> the
> incoming
> > mail to the server is received to the list and it is sent back to my
> father for
> > approval (as I have set it up intentionally). So he approves it, and
> it
> sends
> > emails out to exactly 53 of the 300+ members. Then it stops sending
> with
> no
> > errors (I've checked all of postfix's and syslog's logs). Not only
> that,
> but
> > everything else with Mailman is then foobarred. Now when any of the
> smaller
> > lists send to it, postfix records receiving it but then it doesn't do
> the
> next
> > step such as sending it out to the users on the list or going to the
> admin
> for
> > approval. It (Mailman) just stops dead cold. No more outgoing traffic
> or
> errors
> > explaining why.
> >
> > So, upon examining every log I could think of, I finally just Reload
> postfix
> > using the included scripts. Then, all of a sudden, everything starts
> > processing. All mail waiting to go to the admins for approval or
> waiting
> to go
> > to the end users on all the different lists are suddenly sent out as
> quickly
> > and efficiently as everything normally goes with Mailman. All mail
> except
> the
> > remaining 240+ people on my dad's list. Mail to those listmembers
> has
> > disappeared.
> >
> > So.... I decided to try this again. Same thing. Dad sends mail out to
> the
> list,
> > it goes to exactly 53 people and dies again, and makes Postfix go
> goofy
> again.
> > Outside of this combined Postfix/Mailman problem, the mail server acts
> as
> > normal, processing all other traffic. I almost suspect that this is
> much
> more
> > of a Mailman than postfix problem. I think I'm good enough with
> postfix to
> know
> > if its a problem there and it doesn't appear to be. But I can't be
> sure
> because
> > it is partially resolved just by my reloading the MTA.
> >
> > Strangely enough, these 53 users are the exact same 53 from the
> first
> time.
> >
> > I've checked over mailing lists for the last few months reading a lot
> of
> things
> > (since what an email of this subject would be called) and didn't
> find
> anything.
> > And nothing on this is in the FAQs or Manuals that I can tell.
> >
> > Anyone have any idea? Anything at all?
> >
> >
> > HELP!
> >
> >
> > -ted




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 21:22:35 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:22:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix/Mailman breaks (somewhat) upon sending out to list of 300+ users
References: <1005250656.3beae8608123b@www.mob.net> <00a301c1694d$23b7f060$0b04010a@JCARNES> <1005336251.3bec36bb6e638@www.mob.net>
Message-ID: <01ee01c1695c$45057da0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Nothing like the ghost in the machine making things work for you...

Could the original lock up be caused by your dad mucking about with the
lists via the web interface (and thereby putting a lock on the list...)?
Who knows... Keep us in the loop if you figure it out!

----- Original Message -----
> I went to bed and left root cron doing that restart. And in the morning
all
> mail going to the small lists (which I'm subscribed to) went out and I
received
> them all. That was my plan, I was happy. I was hoping someone would reply
to my
> messages with some magical fix for my dad's list.
>
> Then my dad called me all excited this morning saying that both emails to
his
> list of 300 went out to the remaining 257 list members (thats 514 emails
> total). But he said they didn't go out till nearly 7am. And I hadn't
changed
> anything since around 1:30am. So it took 5.5 hours for it to process all
of
> that?! If so, was it that just that I was stopping that stuck qrunner
process
> every five minutes or was it a combination of that plus the new
> smtpd_recipient_limit variable that maade it go?





From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 21:41:19 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:41:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman !!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091359290.6726-100000@spine.cx> <006f01c16943$ac936270$1a01a8c0@vnschool.net>
Message-ID: <020c01c1695e$e2fb3200$0b04010a@JCARNES>

I'm guessing cron.

Mailman needs several entries added to cron.  Su as mailman then enter the
cron entries found in ~mailman/cron/crontab.in

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bien" <biennt79 at yahoo.com>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:26 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman !!


> Hi Experts !
> I've just installed Mailmain from rpm file (come from RedHat CD 7.1 #3)
> after configured Apache, Sendmail. (I'd tested them well)
> I created a new list named foo.
> then launch browser, and subcribed to the list.
> No error display ! No error from sendmail or Apache too. !!
> But user that I subscribed was not in the foo list.
> Did I do something wrong ??
>
> Please help me !
>
> BienNT
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
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From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov  9 21:47:39 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:47:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Optimizing sendmail
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091359290.6726-100000@spine.cx>
Message-ID: <021601c1695f$c567ac40$0b04010a@JCARNES>

http://www.sendmail.org

Sendmail is extremely tweakable - so much so that the default is for a
low-end server.  You can easily increase speed and efficiency by tweaking
the values in your /etc/sendmail.cf file.

The best tweak is to remove that ident crap call by setting:
  O Timeout.ident=0s

Otherwise 99% of your connections wait for 30seconds before actually doing
anything...

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dinn" <sdinn at spine.cx>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:01 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Optimizing sendmail


>
> I know that the question I'm about to ask doesn't relate specifically to
> mailman, but I thought that I'd be in the company of people who are more
> qualified than most to answer it:
>
> In what ways can sendmail be tweaked or otherwised optimized for sending
> out a large number of emails at once?  This is the case everytime someone
> posts to a list withi lots of subscribers, so I thought it relevant.
>
> Anyone?
>
> -Steve.
>
> --
>  Steve Dinn                       email:  mailto:sdinn at spine.cx
>                                     www:  http://spine.cx/
>
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>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mailman at puzzlesol.com  Fri Nov  9 21:52:34 2001
From: mailman at puzzlesol.com (mailman)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 15:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ and help
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011109155226.00a24540@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hi,

Is there a real FAQ somewhere  (not the one on the official site), it's almost useless?

Also, how one would get rid of the long list of url (List-Help etc.) ans addresses sent with all posts (you know :

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
To: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM, sdinn at spine.cx
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
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X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5_41 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc 
Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
Errors-To: mailman-users-admin at python.org
X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 (101270)
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
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	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:37:56 -0800 (PST)

?

Regards, 




From biennt79 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 21:12:11 2001
From: biennt79 at yahoo.com (Bien)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:12:11 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman !!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111091359290.6726-100000@spine.cx> <006f01c16943$ac936270$1a01a8c0@vnschool.net> <020c01c1695e$e2fb3200$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <000201c1695b$27294100$1a01a8c0@vnschool.net>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
To: "Bien" <biennt79 at yahoo.com>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman !!


> I'm guessing cron.
>
> Mailman needs several entries added to cron.  Su as mailman then enter the
> cron entries found in ~mailman/cron/crontab.in
>
> Jon Carnes

Hi Jon Carnes !

Yeah
But when I looked thru ~mailman/cron/crontab.in, I couldn't find anything
relating to the error. But I did it anyway (put all entries to /etc/crontab)

It still doesn't  work !!

Any ideal ??

Bien
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bien" <biennt79 at yahoo.com>
> To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 12:26 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with Mailman !!
>
>
> > Hi Experts !
> > I've just installed Mailmain from rpm file (come from RedHat CD 7.1 #3)
> > after configured Apache, Sendmail. (I'd tested them well)
> > I created a new list named foo.
> > then launch browser, and subcribed to the list.
> > No error display ! No error from sendmail or Apache too. !!
> > But user that I subscribed was not in the foo list.
> > Did I do something wrong ??
> >
> > Please help me !
> >
> > BienNT
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
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> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


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From barry at zope.com  Fri Nov  9 23:41:36 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:41:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.7
Message-ID: <15340.23456.886142.932986@anthem.wooz.org>

Hi all,

I'm releasing Mailman 2.0.7 which fixes two potential, though obscure
security or denial-of-service attacks, along with a few other minor
bug fixes.  Details:

- If you are running Python 1.5.2, it is possible for someone to
  carefully craft some cookie data, and then trick Mailman into
  accepting that data, that will crash your Python interpreter.

  If you are not running Python 1.5.2, you should be invulnerable to
  the crash, however it is still possible for someone to even more
  carefully craft some cookie data that could cause arbitrary class
  constructors to be executed on the server.

  While I believe it is difficult to exploit this, Mailman 2.0.7
  closes this hole completely, by disabling the Cookie.py module's
  default unpickling of cookie data.

- It is possible that Mailman's bounce handler could receive a bounce
  message that looked like a DSN report, but was incorrectly
  formatted.  Under Mailman 2.0.6's bounce detector, you would get a
  traceback for a message that would never be removed from the queue,
  thus potentially wedging your qrunner until the offending message
  was manually deleted.

  Mailman 2.0.7 fixes the DSN.py bounce detector.

There are a few other useful bug fixes in this release, described in
the NEWS excerpt below.  I recommend anybody running a version of
Mailman up to, and including 2.0.6 to upgrade to 2.0.7.

I'm releasing this version only as a tarball -- no patch file is
provided at this time.  As of this moment, only the SourceForge site
is up-to-date, although I expect www.list.org and www.gnu.org to
follow soon.  The release information is available on SourceForge at:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=60758

and the file can be downloaded from:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103&release_id=60758

See also:

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sf.net

Cheers
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.0.7 (09-Nov-2001)

    Security fixes:

    - Closed a hole in cookie management whereby some carefully
      crafted untrusted cookie data could crash Mailman if used with
      Python 1.5.2, or cause some unintended class constructors to be
      run on the server.

    - In the DSN.py bounce handler, a message that was DSN-like, but
      which was missing a "report-type" parameter could cause a
      non-deletable bounce message to crash Mailman forever, requiring
      manual intervention.

    Bug fixes:

    - Stray % signs in headers and footers could cause crashes.  Now
      they'll just cause an [INVALID HEADER] or [INVALID FOOTER]
      string to be added.

    - The mail->news gateway has been made more robust in the face of
      duplicate headers, and reserved headers that some news servers
      reject.  If the message is still rejected, it is saved in
      $prefix/nntp instead of discarded.

    - Hand-crafted invalid chunk number in membership management
      display could cause a traceback.




From minitom at blaster.dyndns.org  Sat Nov 10 06:26:25 2001
From: minitom at blaster.dyndns.org (MiniTom)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:26:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix problem
Message-ID: <20011110002625.002b82ae.minitom@blaster.dyndns.org>

Hi,

I just installed mailman on Linux Mandrake with postfix. I can add a new list, but users can't suscribe to the list. They receive a mail, but when they reply, they get a MAILER-DAEMON mail wich tell that the address of the list does not exist.

My list is "test at myhostname" and none of these address works : test-request at myhostname, test-admin at myhostname.

I can't access to the directory /mailman/pipermail/test from the web, though it is rightly configured (I hope ...).

Other web pages seem to be ok : mailman/admin/test, mailman/listinfo/test ...

I think lists address are net created. Is Postfix the problem ?

Can anyone give me some help please ?

(excuse my english I'm french)




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Sat Nov 10 01:43:23 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:43:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
Message-ID: <200111100042.QAA17498@utopia.West.Sun.COM>


> On 08 November 2001, Dan Mick said:
> > Your Python has to have the 'gzip' module installed, which not all do.
> 
> Don't you mean "zlib"?

The import is for the module named 'gzip'.  When
one imports 'gzip', that module also imports 'zlib'.




From deckm at cleansoft.com  Sat Nov 10 03:22:16 2001
From: deckm at cleansoft.com (Michael Deck)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 19:22:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce: 0 more allowed over 166798 secs
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com>

I'm having trouble with Mailman using and Qmail and xinetd (Redhat 7.1). I 
think that qmail is working properly, I can telnet to port 25 and send mail 
successfully off my machine, but if I mail to my list, nothing seems to 
happen. I had this list setup and working before I installed RH7.1 (was 
Mandrake) and re-installed qmail and mailman. And it's not *totally* 
broken. But here's what I do

* Mail to the list machine. Qmail reports

Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647287 new msg 14
Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647396 info msg 14: bytes 2504 
from <deckm at cleansoft.com> qp 9005 uid 505
Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653192 starting delivery 27: msg 
14 to local ebcwd-list at cleansoft.net
Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653254 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810137 delivery 27: success: 
did_0+0+1/
Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810261 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810283 end msg 14
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.672920 new msg 14
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.673032 info msg 14: bytes 3607 
from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9023 uid 505
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677520 starting delivery 28: msg 
14 to local deckm at cleansoft.net
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677630 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687740 new msg 622
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687856 info msg 622: bytes 3711 
from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9027 uid 500
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693422 starting delivery 29: msg 
622 to remote deckm at cleansoft.com
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693469 status: local 1/10 remote 1/20
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693491 delivery 28: success: 
did_0+1+0/qp_9027/
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693511 status: local 0/10 remote 1/20
Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693528 end msg 14
Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965361 delivery 29: success: 
64.45.27.68_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_SAA01737_Message_accepted_for_delivery/
Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965467 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965487 end msg 622

I think what it's doing here is emailing to the list, which may be sending 
a message to the admin. The admin userid is set to be an alias to 
deckm at cleansoft.com, but I don't ever receive the message. When I look in 
/home/mailman/logs/bounce, it says

Nov 09 19:13:02 2001 (9020) Ebcwd-list: CDeck at faegre.com - 0 more allowed 
over 166798 secs

one such message for 33 list members. Now, I also created a little test 
list with two members. One of the members is deckm at cleansoft.com, the other 
is deckm at cleansoft.net which is a qmail alias to deckm at cleansoft.com. The 
message to deckm at cleansoft.net got out and I received it, but the other did 
not.

I did a search on Google and also through my email logged archives of this 
list and can't find an *answered* post on this subject though there are 
several unanswered.

Where should I look, and what should I do?

-Mike


Michael Deck
Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.   





From ted-mailman at mob.net  Sat Nov 10 04:11:04 2001
From: ted-mailman at mob.net (Ted M Harapat)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 21:11:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix problem
In-Reply-To: <20011110002625.002b82ae.minitom@blaster.dyndns.org>
References: <20011110002625.002b82ae.minitom@blaster.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <1005361864.3bec9ac88fc9f@www.mob.net>

You need to make sure you take the output from the '$prefix/bin/newlist' and 
put it in the /etc/aliases file and run 'newaliases'. Then your mail won't 
bounce and your mail will be archived in the appropriate pipermail directory so 
it can be browsed. It won't work (as far as my experience goes) until you get 
the first incoming email to the list.

-ted


Quoting MiniTom <minitom at blaster.dyndns.org>:

> Hi,
> 
> I just installed mailman on Linux Mandrake with postfix. I can add a new
> list, but users can't suscribe to the list. They receive a mail, but
> when they reply, they get a MAILER-DAEMON mail wich tell that the
> address of the list does not exist.
> 
> My list is "test at myhostname" and none of these address works :
> test-request at myhostname, test-admin at myhostname.
> 
> I can't access to the directory /mailman/pipermail/test from the web,
> though it is rightly configured (I hope ...).
> 
> Other web pages seem to be ok : mailman/admin/test,
> mailman/listinfo/test ...
> 
> I think lists address are net created. Is Postfix the problem ?
> 
> Can anyone give me some help please ?
> 
> (excuse my english I'm french)



From gaf at blu.org  Sat Nov 10 04:35:28 2001
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:35:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix problem 
In-Reply-To: minitom's message of Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:26:25 EST."
             <20011110002625.002b82ae.minitom@blaster.dyndns.org> 
Message-ID: <200111100335.fAA3ZSm05530@gaf.ne.mediaone.net>

Did you install the aliases. Be careful. The aliases that mailman displays 
when you add a list are for sendmail. Postfix does not like the colon's.
## test mailing list
## created: 05-Sep-2001 mailman
test                         "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin                   "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner 
test"
test-request                 "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner                   test-admin

MiniTom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed mailman on Linux Mandrake with postfix. I can add a new list
> , but users can't suscribe to the list. They receive a mail, but when they re
> ply, they get a MAILER-DAEMON mail wich tell that the address of the list doe
> s not exist.
> 
> My list is "test at myhostname" and none of these address works : test-request at m
> yhostname, test-admin at myhostname.
> 
> I can't access to the directory /mailman/pipermail/test from the web, though 
> it is rightly configured (I hope ...).
> 
> Other web pages seem to be ok : mailman/admin/test, mailman/listinfo/test ...
> 
> I think lists address are net created. Is Postfix the problem ?
> 
> Can anyone give me some help please ?
> 
> (excuse my english I'm french)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



-- 
Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org





From fball at franciscans.com  Sat Nov 10 06:02:05 2001
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:02:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List suddenly stops functioning
In-Reply-To: <200111100042.QAA17498@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109225539.01a3db08@mail.jfredball.com>

I have a couple of lists which have functioned flawlessly for many weeks.

As of yesterday or today, no mail is getting through.   I see the maillog 
stating that
a given message was sent to "|usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname" but
that's where things die, apparently.

I can also subscribe to the lists and get (via mail) a notice requesting 
confirmation
as a new user.  Once I reply, I hear nothing back from the list.  I'm not 
sure where to
begin checking.

Running 2.0.5 on FreeBSD 4.3 with sendmail as the MTA.

Fred





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 06:44:50 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:44:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix problem
In-Reply-To: <20011110002625.002b82ae.minitom@blaster.dyndns.org>
References: <20011110002625.002b82ae.minitom@blaster.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <01111000445003.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

In the web admin go to the Privacy Options page and enter the mailing list 
address in the following field:
   Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
   or cc destination names for this list

If your host name is misconfigured, this normally sets things to rights.

Jon Carnes

BTW: the pipermail link will NOT work till there is some mail that has been 
archived for that list...

===
On Saturday 10 November 2001 00:26, MiniTom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just installed mailman on Linux Mandrake with postfix. I can add a new
> list, but users can't suscribe to the list. They receive a mail, but when
> they reply, they get a MAILER-DAEMON mail wich tell that the address of
> the list does not exist.
>
> My list is "test at myhostname" and none of these address works :
> test-request at myhostname, test-admin at myhostname.
>
> I can't access to the directory /mailman/pipermail/test from the web,
> though it is rightly configured (I hope ...).
>
> Other web pages seem to be ok : mailman/admin/test, mailman/listinfo/test
> ...
>
> I think lists address are net created. Is Postfix the problem ?
>
> Can anyone give me some help please ?
>
> (excuse my english I'm french)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 06:50:27 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:50:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List suddenly stops functioning
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109225539.01a3db08@mail.jfredball.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109225539.01a3db08@mail.jfredball.com>
Message-ID: <01111000502704.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

There may be a message in the queue that Mailman cannot handle (there are 
some headers that screw-up that version of Mailman...).  It could be that 
you have stopped cron for some reason - it happens a lot to folks on this 
list, though durn if I can figure out why they do it...

It could be that you have lock file holding open your list, check the lock 
files...

Jon Carnes

On Saturday 10 November 2001 00:02, J. Frederick Ball OEF wrote:
> I have a couple of lists which have functioned flawlessly for many weeks.
>
> As of yesterday or today, no mail is getting through.   I see the maillog
> stating that
> a given message was sent to "|usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> listname" but that's where things die, apparently.
>
> I can also subscribe to the lists and get (via mail) a notice requesting
> confirmation
> as a new user.  Once I reply, I hear nothing back from the list.  I'm not
> sure where to
> begin checking.
>
> Running 2.0.5 on FreeBSD 4.3 with sendmail as the MTA.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 06:57:01 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:57:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce: 0 more allowed over 166798 secs
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com>
Message-ID: <01111000570105.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

You don't see a lot of answers to this question, because it could be soooo 
many things.  My recommendation is that you download the source and install 
from there.

Don't let yourself be intimidated by installing the Source, it only takes 
three commands and the whole process is laid out in a file called INSTALL.

You grab the latest tar ball (something like mailman-2.07_tar.gz) and 
expand it on your server with the command:
  tar -xzf mailman-2.07_tar.gz
Then you enter the directory it creates and read the file INSTALL.

That file will tell you to type:
  ./configure
  make install

Note: you might have to add a two variables to the ./configure line which 
point out your mail user's id and your web user's id.  But don't worry 
about that unless you run it and get an error later on...

Good Luck

Jon Carnes

On Friday 09 November 2001 21:22, Michael Deck wrote:
> I'm having trouble with Mailman using and Qmail and xinetd (Redhat 7.1).
> I think that qmail is working properly, I can telnet to port 25 and send
> mail successfully off my machine, but if I mail to my list, nothing seems
> to happen. I had this list setup and working before I installed RH7.1
> (was Mandrake) and re-installed qmail and mailman. And it's not *totally*
> broken. But here's what I do
>
> * Mail to the list machine. Qmail reports
>
> Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647287 new msg 14
> Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647396 info msg 14: bytes 2504
> from <deckm at cleansoft.com> qp 9005 uid 505
> Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653192 starting delivery 27:
> msg 14 to local ebcwd-list at cleansoft.net
> Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653254 status: local 1/10
> remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810137 delivery 27:
> success: did_0+0+1/
> Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810261 status: local 0/10
> remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810283 end msg 14
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.672920 new msg 14
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.673032 info msg 14: bytes 3607
> from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9023 uid 505
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677520 starting delivery 28:
> msg 14 to local deckm at cleansoft.net
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677630 status: local 1/10
> remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687740 new msg 622
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687856 info msg 622: bytes 3711
> from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9027 uid 500
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693422 starting delivery 29:
> msg 622 to remote deckm at cleansoft.com
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693469 status: local 1/10
> remote 1/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693491 delivery 28:
> success: did_0+1+0/qp_9027/
> Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693511 status: local 0/10
> remote 1/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693528 end msg 14
> Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965361 delivery 29: success:
> 64.45.27.68_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_SAA01737_Message_acce
>pted_for_delivery/ Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965467
> status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail:
> 1005358383.965487 end msg 622
>
> I think what it's doing here is emailing to the list, which may be
> sending a message to the admin. The admin userid is set to be an alias to
> deckm at cleansoft.com, but I don't ever receive the message. When I look in
> /home/mailman/logs/bounce, it says
>
> Nov 09 19:13:02 2001 (9020) Ebcwd-list: CDeck at faegre.com - 0 more allowed
> over 166798 secs
>
> one such message for 33 list members. Now, I also created a little test
> list with two members. One of the members is deckm at cleansoft.com, the
> other is deckm at cleansoft.net which is a qmail alias to
> deckm at cleansoft.com. The message to deckm at cleansoft.net got out and I
> received it, but the other did not.
>
> I did a search on Google and also through my email logged archives of
> this list and can't find an *answered* post on this subject though there
> are several unanswered.
>
> Where should I look, and what should I do?
>
> -Mike
>
>
> Michael Deck
> Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From benites at cs.unca.edu  Sat Nov 10 14:16:13 2001
From: benites at cs.unca.edu (Robert Benites)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:16:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <15340.23456.886142.932986@anthem.wooz.org> (barry@zope.com)
Message-ID: <200111101316.fAADGDv233362@woodfin.cs.unca.edu>

Barry,

Thanks for the 2.0.7 upgrade.

I'm curious about your mention of problems related to Python 1.5.2 and
pre 2.0.7 Mailman. Your announcement indicates 2.0.7 fixes the
vulnerability.

Would you recommend an upgrade to a newer version of Python: 2.1.1 for
instance? If yes, do you have suggestions about the upgrade path which
should be used. I assume that a newer version of Python should be
installed, then should Mailman be re-installed?

Thanks...

-- Bob



From richard_marston at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 10 17:43:25 2001
From: richard_marston at yahoo.com (Richard Marston)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:43:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing from this list
Message-ID: <20011110164325.19755.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com>

Could someone send me instructions? Thanks in advance.

RM

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com



From barry at zope.com  Sat Nov 10 18:19:50 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:19:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.7
References: <15340.23456.886142.932986@anthem.wooz.org>
	<200111101316.fAADGDv233362@woodfin.cs.unca.edu>
Message-ID: <15341.25014.353599.668665@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RB" == Robert Benites <benites at cs.unca.edu> writes:

    RB> Thanks for the 2.0.7 upgrade.

You're welcome!

    RB> I'm curious about your mention of problems related to Python
    RB> 1.5.2 and pre 2.0.7 Mailman. Your announcement indicates 2.0.7
    RB> fixes the vulnerability.

Right.  Python 1.5.2 had a bug in its pickle module that could crash
the interpreter when given a particular string to unpickle.  That
crash is fixed in subsequent versions of Python (in fact I believe the
Python 1.6 release had the fix).

However, it is /still/ possible to trick Python's pickle module into
running arbitrary class initializers, and that could potentially be a
security hole as well.  Personally, I believe this is a vulnerability
of the Cookie module, not the pickle module, since the former is using
the latter on untrusted strings.

Because Mailman's cookie use in no way depends on Cookie's "helpful"
use of unpickling, the Mailman 2.0.7 code simply disables this
convenience.  Internally, Mailman uses marshal to de-serialize the
data encoded in the pickle, and I believe that since marshal only
deals with primitive types, we should be safe.

    RB> Would you recommend an upgrade to a newer version of Python:
    RB> 2.1.1 for instance? If yes, do you have suggestions about the
    RB> upgrade path which should be used. I assume that a newer
    RB> version of Python should be installed, then should Mailman be
    RB> re-installed?

Upgrading Python is a good idea, but probably not enough to close all
the holes.  It's still possible that Mailman 2.1 will require at least
Python 2.1.1 -- I'm still leaving open the possibility that I won't
support Python 2.0.

If you do upgrade, my suggestion would be to upgrade Mailman to 2.0.7
first, then upgrade Python.  Make backups! :)

-Barry



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 18:55:08 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 12:55:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing from this list
In-Reply-To: <20011110164325.19755.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20011110164325.19755.qmail@web11406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01111012550806.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Go to the following site and unsubscribe yourself:
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

You will need your password.  Put your email address in the last field on 
the bottom of the page, and submit.  A new web page specific to your 
account will pop-up and you can request your password here, or enter it and 
unsubscribe.

Jon Carnes

On Saturday 10 November 2001 11:43, Richard Marston wrote:
> Could someone send me instructions? Thanks in advance.
>
> RM
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Find a job, post your resume.
> http://careers.yahoo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From deckm at cleansoft.com  Sat Nov 10 19:16:53 2001
From: deckm at cleansoft.com (Michael Deck)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:16:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce: 0 more allowed over 166798 secs
In-Reply-To: <01111000570105.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011110111531.0242e850@mail.cleansoft.com>

At 12:57 AM 11/10/2001 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>You don't see a lot of answers to this question, because it could be soooo
>many things.  My recommendation is that you download the source and install
>from there.
>
>Don't let yourself be intimidated by installing the Source, it only takes
>three commands and the whole process is laid out in a file called INSTALL.
>
>You grab the latest tar ball (something like mailman-2.07_tar.gz) and
>expand it on your server with the command:
>   tar -xzf mailman-2.07_tar.gz
>Then you enter the directory it creates and read the file INSTALL.
>
>That file will tell you to type:
>   ./configure
>   make install
>
>Note: you might have to add a two variables to the ./configure line which
>point out your mail user's id and your web user's id.  But don't worry
>about that unless you run it and get an error later on...
>
>Good Luck
>
>Jon Carnes

Jon, I'd done that. In fact, I re-did the configuration last night and 
re-made to see if that was the problem.

Although I wasn't intimidated per se, I will say that the first time I 
installed Mailman it was pure unadulterated pain dealing with the 
permission structure.


>On Friday 09 November 2001 21:22, Michael Deck wrote:
> > I'm having trouble with Mailman using and Qmail and xinetd (Redhat 7.1).
> > I think that qmail is working properly, I can telnet to port 25 and send
> > mail successfully off my machine, but if I mail to my list, nothing seems
> > to happen. I had this list setup and working before I installed RH7.1
> > (was Mandrake) and re-installed qmail and mailman. And it's not *totally*
> > broken. But here's what I do
> >
> > * Mail to the list machine. Qmail reports
> >
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647287 new msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647396 info msg 14: bytes 2504
> > from <deckm at cleansoft.com> qp 9005 uid 505
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653192 starting delivery 27:
> > msg 14 to local ebcwd-list at cleansoft.net
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653254 status: local 1/10
> > remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810137 delivery 27:
> > success: did_0+0+1/
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810261 status: local 0/10
> > remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810283 end msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.672920 new msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.673032 info msg 14: bytes 3607
> > from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9023 uid 505
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677520 starting delivery 28:
> > msg 14 to local deckm at cleansoft.net
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677630 status: local 1/10
> > remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687740 new msg 622
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687856 info msg 622: bytes 3711
> > from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9027 uid 500
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693422 starting delivery 29:
> > msg 622 to remote deckm at cleansoft.com
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693469 status: local 1/10
> > remote 1/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693491 delivery 28:
> > success: did_0+1+0/qp_9027/
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693511 status: local 0/10
> > remote 1/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693528 end msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965361 delivery 29: success:
> > 64.45.27.68_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_SAA01737_Message_acce
> >pted_for_delivery/ Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965467
> > status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail:
> > 1005358383.965487 end msg 622
> >
> > I think what it's doing here is emailing to the list, which may be
> > sending a message to the admin. The admin userid is set to be an alias to
> > deckm at cleansoft.com, but I don't ever receive the message. When I look in
> > /home/mailman/logs/bounce, it says
> >
> > Nov 09 19:13:02 2001 (9020) Ebcwd-list: CDeck at faegre.com - 0 more allowed
> > over 166798 secs
> >
> > one such message for 33 list members. Now, I also created a little test
> > list with two members. One of the members is deckm at cleansoft.com, the
> > other is deckm at cleansoft.net which is a qmail alias to
> > deckm at cleansoft.com. The message to deckm at cleansoft.net got out and I
> > received it, but the other did not.
> >
> > I did a search on Google and also through my email logged archives of
> > this list and can't find an *answered* post on this subject though there
> > are several unanswered.
> >
> > Where should I look, and what should I do?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
> > Michael Deck
> > Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


Michael Deck
Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.   





From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Sat Nov 10 22:57:12 2001
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:57:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail filtering of passwd reminders
Message-ID: <20011110165712.A19209@us.ibm.com>

Greets.

For mailman 2.x mailing lists, why do you all use in your procmail filters
to prevent the Mailman passwd reminders from showing up in list archives or
nntp mail gateways?

I want to gateway several Mailman lists to my innd server. Obviously it
wouldn't be good to have the monthly passwd reminders that Mailman sends out
to show up in the newsgroups. :) 

If anyone wants to share their procmail scripts for handling this that would
be great.

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (lnxgeek at us.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
 T/L 441-9289 / External 919-543-9289
 http://bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com/webcam




From deckm at cleansoft.com  Sat Nov 10 22:15:55 2001
From: deckm at cleansoft.com (Michael Deck)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:15:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce: 0 more allowed over 166798 secs
In-Reply-To: <01111000570105.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011110123623.0246fa48@mail.cleansoft.com>

Ok, I think I have it figured out. Not knowing Python was a hindrance but 
having the source sure helped. :)

Turns out that SMTP was returning a 553. When I dug into it a bit on 
Google, I saw that 553 was a rcpt host problem. Then I tried sending myself 
some mail at another machine using my machine's SMTP and Lo! I was misusing 
rcpthosts. I had a rcpthosts file and it had only me in it. So only I was 
getting the mails from the list.

Problem solved. I wonder if having a slightly more verbose error message go 
into the bounce log, such as 'SMTP returns 553' would make things easier to 
diagnose. From the number of Google queries regarding rcpthosts on qmail, 
I'm thinking this must happen pretty often. Just a suggestion.

-Mike

At 12:57 AM 11/10/2001 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>You don't see a lot of answers to this question, because it could be soooo
>many things.  My recommendation is that you download the source and install
>from there.
>
>Don't let yourself be intimidated by installing the Source, it only takes
>three commands and the whole process is laid out in a file called INSTALL.
>
>You grab the latest tar ball (something like mailman-2.07_tar.gz) and
>expand it on your server with the command:
>   tar -xzf mailman-2.07_tar.gz
>Then you enter the directory it creates and read the file INSTALL.
>
>That file will tell you to type:
>   ./configure
>   make install
>
>Note: you might have to add a two variables to the ./configure line which
>point out your mail user's id and your web user's id.  But don't worry
>about that unless you run it and get an error later on...
>
>Good Luck
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>On Friday 09 November 2001 21:22, Michael Deck wrote:
> > I'm having trouble with Mailman using and Qmail and xinetd (Redhat 7.1).
> > I think that qmail is working properly, I can telnet to port 25 and send
> > mail successfully off my machine, but if I mail to my list, nothing seems
> > to happen. I had this list setup and working before I installed RH7.1
> > (was Mandrake) and re-installed qmail and mailman. And it's not *totally*
> > broken. But here's what I do
> >
> > * Mail to the list machine. Qmail reports
> >
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647287 new msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.647396 info msg 14: bytes 2504
> > from <deckm at cleansoft.com> qp 9005 uid 505
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653192 starting delivery 27:
> > msg 14 to local ebcwd-list at cleansoft.net
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.653254 status: local 1/10
> > remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810137 delivery 27:
> > success: did_0+0+1/
> > Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810261 status: local 0/10
> > remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:12:05 themule qmail: 1005358325.810283 end msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.672920 new msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.673032 info msg 14: bytes 3607
> > from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9023 uid 505
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677520 starting delivery 28:
> > msg 14 to local deckm at cleansoft.net
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.677630 status: local 1/10
> > remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687740 new msg 622
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.687856 info msg 622: bytes 3711
> > from <ebcwd-list-admin at cleansoft.net> qp 9027 uid 500
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693422 starting delivery 29:
> > msg 622 to remote deckm at cleansoft.com
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693469 status: local 1/10
> > remote 1/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693491 delivery 28:
> > success: did_0+1+0/qp_9027/
> > Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693511 status: local 0/10
> > remote 1/20 Nov  9 19:13:01 themule qmail: 1005358381.693528 end msg 14
> > Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965361 delivery 29: success:
> > 64.45.27.68_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_SAA01737_Message_acce
> >pted_for_delivery/ Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail: 1005358383.965467
> > status: local 0/10 remote 0/20 Nov  9 19:13:03 themule qmail:
> > 1005358383.965487 end msg 622
> >
> > I think what it's doing here is emailing to the list, which may be
> > sending a message to the admin. The admin userid is set to be an alias to
> > deckm at cleansoft.com, but I don't ever receive the message. When I look in
> > /home/mailman/logs/bounce, it says
> >
> > Nov 09 19:13:02 2001 (9020) Ebcwd-list: CDeck at faegre.com - 0 more allowed
> > over 166798 secs
> >
> > one such message for 33 list members. Now, I also created a little test
> > list with two members. One of the members is deckm at cleansoft.com, the
> > other is deckm at cleansoft.net which is a qmail alias to
> > deckm at cleansoft.com. The message to deckm at cleansoft.net got out and I
> > received it, but the other did not.
> >
> > I did a search on Google and also through my email logged archives of
> > this list and can't find an *answered* post on this subject though there
> > are several unanswered.
> >
> > Where should I look, and what should I do?
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
> > Michael Deck
> > Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


Michael Deck
Cleanroom Software Engineering, Inc.   





From culleyharrelson at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 11 16:58:06 2001
From: culleyharrelson at yahoo.com (Culley Harrelson)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:58:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] yahoo spam filters
Message-ID: <20011111155806.49069.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com>

I have a fairly large "anouncements" mailing list with 10000 subscribers. 
Only admins can post to this list and the primary poster has a cable modem
with a dedicated ip address.  Somehow with the last announcement the yahoo
spam filters grabbed her ip address and flagged it as a source of spam--
so she can no longer send anything from her pop account to a yahoo address
(webmail works however).

Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?  It seems shocking to me
that the filter attached itself to her ip rather than to the mail
server...
culley

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com



From fuzzy at outgun.com  Sun Nov 11 17:35:31 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:35:31 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TRI-MIRACLE $22-Not $60-SERIOUS MARKETERS ONLY!!
Message-ID: <20011111163531.10834.qmail@outgun.com>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011112/2e591769/attachment.htm 

From michelle at primelogic.com  Sun Nov 11 21:01:44 2001
From: michelle at primelogic.com (Michelle Brownsworth)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:01:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman wrapper not sending out mail
In-Reply-To: <200111111913.fABJDEI03518@sorrel.subrosa.org>
References: <200111111913.fABJDEI03518@sorrel.subrosa.org>
Message-ID: <a05001906b81488084d8d@[192.168.1.1]>

Guy Berliner writes:


>Hi Michelle,
>Did you ever solve your mailman problem? I have a similar problem,
>everything seems fine, but mailman mysteriously refuses to send out
>mail. When I post to a new list, the post appears as expected in the
>archives, but mysterious errors appear in the /var/mailman/logs/smtp-failure
>log file, as well as /var/mailman/logs/posts and /var/mailman/logs/smtp


Yes, thanks to some help from the list.  Turns out mailman's crontab 
had gotten mangled somehow, so the executables weren't being 
scheduled properly.  Check mailman's crontab and if you don't see the 
following results then that's your problem.

# su - mailman
$ crontab -l

# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S 
/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner

.\\ichelle
---------------------
Michelle Brownsworth
System Administrator
PrimeLogic Corporation
http://www.primelogic.com




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 12 05:04:12 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:04:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] yahoo spam filters 
In-Reply-To: Message from Culley Harrelson <culleyharrelson@yahoo.com> 
   of "Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:58:06 PST." <20011111155806.49069.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20011111155806.49069.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <5877.1005537852@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:58:06 -0800 (PST) 
Culley Harrelson <culleyharrelson at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?  It seems shocking
> to me that the filter attached itself to her ip rather than to the
> mail server...  

More likely she's listed on one of rfc-ignorant.org's lists.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Nov 12 08:03:30 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:03:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mod to list_members to show nomail, digest types
Message-ID: <3BEF7442.7C20EEE6@nleaudio.com>

Hey gang,

A while back someone requested a way to get the listing of nomail list members.  I recently needed not
only that, but also the ability to sort out digest mime users, and digest plain text users.
Below is a replacement list_members program (that goes in $prefix/bin) that adds four new commands 
with which to accomplish this:

  -x = exclude nomail members
  -n = list only nomail members
  -m = list digest mime members
  -l = list plain text digest members

This script was modified from the 2.0.6 Mailman code - NOT tested with 2.1!!!  Enjoy!

Bob

========cut here=============
#! /usr/bin/env python
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.

"""List all the members of a mailing list.

Usage: %(program)s [-o file] [-r] [-d] [-p] [-h] listname

Where:

    -o file or --output file
        Write output to specified file instead of standard out.

    -r or --regular
        Print just the regular (non-digest) members.

    -d or --digest
        Print just the digest members.

    -x or --exclude
        Exclude all nomail members from list
    
    -n or --nomail
        Print only the nomail members

    -l or --plain
        Print only plain text digest members

    -m or --mime
        Print only mime digest members

    -p or --preserve
        Output member addresses case preserved the way they were added to the
        list.  Otherwise, addresses are printed in all lowercase.

    -h or --help
        Print this help message and exit.

    listname is the name of the mailing list to use.

Note that if neither -r or -d is supplied, both regular members are printed
first, followed by digest members, but no indication is given as to address
status.

"""

import sys
import string
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import MailList
from Mailman import Errors
from Mailman import Defaults
from Mailman import mm_cfg


program = sys.argv[0]

rmem = {}
dmem = {}

def usage(status, msg=''):
    print __doc__ % globals()
    if msg:
        print msg
    sys.exit(status)



def main():
    try:
        opts, args = getopt.getopt(
            sys.argv[1:],
            'dprnmxlo:h',
            ['digest', 'regular', 'preserve', 'nomail', 'mime', 'xclude', 'plain', 'output=', 'help'])
    except getopt.error, msg:
        usage(1, msg)

    if len(args) <> 1:
        usage(1)

    listname = string.lower(args[0])
    outfile = None
    regular = None
    digest = None
    preserve = None
    nomail = None
    mimef = None
    xclude = None
    plaint = None

    for opt, arg in opts:
        if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
            usage(0)
        elif opt in ('-o', '--output'):
            outfile = arg
        elif opt in ('-r', '--regular'):
            regular = 1
        elif opt in ('-d', '--digest'):
            digest = 1
        elif opt in ('-p', '--preserve'):
            preserve = 1
        elif opt in ('-n', '--nomail'):
            nomail = 1
        elif opt in ('-m', '--mime'):
            mimef = 1
        elif opt in ('-x', '--exclude-nomail'):
            xclude = 1
        elif opt in ('-l', '--plain'):
            plaint = 1
    if plaint:
        digest = 1
    if mimef:
        digest = 1
    if regular is None and digest is None:
        regular = digest = 1
    if xclude is None and nomail is None:
        xclude = nomail = 1
    if mimef is None and plaint is None:
        mimef = plaint = 1 

    if outfile:
        try:
            fp = open(outfile, 'w')
        except IOError:
            print 'Could not open file for writing:', outfile
            sys.exit(1)
    else:
        fp = sys.stdout

    try:
        mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
    except Errors.MMListError, e:
        print 'No such list "%s"\n%s' % (listname, e)
        sys.exit(1)

    # filters for recipient calculation
    def delivery_enabled_p(x, s=mlist, v=mm_cfg.DisableDelivery):
        return not s.GetUserOption(x, v)
    def delivery_disabled_p(x, s=mlist, v=mm_cfg.DisableDelivery):
        return s.GetUserOption(x, v)
    def likes_mime_p(x, s=mlist, v=mm_cfg.DisableMime):
        return not s.GetUserOption(x, v)
    def hates_mime_p(x, s=mlist, v=mm_cfg.DisableMime):
        return s.GetUserOption(x, v)   

    if preserve:
         for addr in mlist.GetDeliveryMembers():
             rmem[addr] = addr
         for addr in mlist.GetDigestDeliveryMembers():
             dmem[addr] = addr
    else:
         for addr in mlist.GetMembers():
             rmem[addr] = addr
         for addr in mlist.GetDigestMembers():
             dmem[addr] = addr

    rmembers = filter(delivery_enabled_p, rmem.keys())
    rnomembers = filter(delivery_disabled_p, rmem.keys())
    dmem2 = filter(delivery_enabled_p, dmem.keys())
    dmembers = filter(hates_mime_p, dmem2)
    dmime = filter(likes_mime_p, dmem2)
    dmem2 = filter(delivery_disabled_p, dmem.keys())
    dnomembers = filter(hates_mime_p, dmem2)
    dnomime = filter(likes_mime_p, dmem2)

    stdout = sys.stdout
    try:
        sys.stdout = fp
        if regular:
            if xclude:
                for addr in rmembers:
                    print addr
            if nomail:
                for addr in rnomembers:
                    print addr
        if digest:
            if xclude:
                if plaint:
                    for addr in dmembers:
                        print addr
                if mimef:
                    for addr in dmime:
                        print addr
            if nomail:
                if plaint:
                    for addr in dnomembers:
                        print addr
                if mimef:
                    for addr in dnomime:
                        print addr

    finally:
        sys.stdout = stdout


if __name__ == '__main__':
    main()



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Mon Nov 12 11:35:44 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:35:44 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade MM 2.06 -> 2.07 : "error decoding authorization cookie"
Message-ID: <01111210354404.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Aftter updating from 2.06 to 2.07 I get strong problems with the administrative interface of all lists 
(old and new).
I can't submit any data to the administrative interface. I always receive the message:
	
	"error decoding authorization cookie"

The login is the only thing which still works. 
If I choose any option I get the named message.

Listinfo works and the the usual stuff seems to work to.


- oliver





From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Mon Nov 12 13:21:36 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:21:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade MM 2.06 -> 2.07 : Answer
In-Reply-To: <01111210354404.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <01111210354404.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <01111212213605.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Ok,
this error seems only to occur in in conjunction with "Konqueror".
I have now serval problems with this browser and Mailman.
Because every browser (including "lynx") I have tried, is working
perfectly with MM, I think this is a  "Konqueror"-problem.

Anyhow, if you know something about it, please let me know.

regards
oliver


> Aftter updating from 2.06 to 2.07 I get strong problems with the
> administrative interface of all lists (old and new).
> I can't submit any data to the administrative interface. I always receive
> the message:
>
> 	"error decoding authorization cookie"
>
> The login is the only thing which still works.
> If I choose any option I get the named message.
>
> Listinfo works and the the usual stuff seems to work to.
>
>
> - oliver
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Mon Nov 12 14:30:02 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:30:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM 2.07 and Konqueror (1.9.8 - 2.2.1)
In-Reply-To: <01111212213605.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <01111210354404.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de> <01111212213605.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <01111213300206.26341@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

*** Changed topic, see my last mails 
*** (included on the end of this message).


Before I switched to MM 2.07, Konqueror 1.9.8 was still working with MM 2.06
(whether with little difficulties)
There was no cookie decoding failure.
I would like to know, why "Konqueror" have this problem ?
Are there other browsers which got the same trouble ?
I have tried it with "Netscape", "MS-Explorer" and "Lynx".
Each of them is working without repine.  

Every new Konqueror version seems to bring advanced
difficulties.
Konqueror 1.9.8 seems to have less problems then 2.2.1.
2.2.1 don't works together with mailman any longer.
(in as much as I have tried it, *waul*)

Maybe botchy Konq. settings, but what should it be ?
Yet another botchy browser ? -- I don't know.
Every hint will be thankful received.
 
- oliver 



> Ok,
> this error seems only to occur in in conjunction with "Konqueror".
> I have now serval problems with this browser and Mailman.
> Because every browser (including "lynx") I have tried, is working
> perfectly with MM, I think this is a  "Konqueror"-problem.
>
> Anyhow, if you know something about it, please let me know.
>
> regards
> oliver
>
> > Aftter updating from 2.06 to 2.07 I get strong problems with the
> > administrative interface of all lists (old and new).
> > I can't submit any data to the administrative interface. I always receive
> > the message:
> >
> > 	"error decoding authorization cookie"
> >
> > The login is the only thing which still works.
> > If I choose any option I get the named message.
> >
> > Listinfo works and the the usual stuff seems to work to.
> >
> >
> > - oliver
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From mailman at puzzlesol.com  Mon Nov 12 14:50:51 2001
From: mailman at puzzlesol.com (mailman)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting rid of the List Info in headers
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011112084842.00b1ea60@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hi,

How one would get rid of the long list of urls (List-Help etc.) ans addresses sent with all posts (you know :

List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

?

Regards, 

Etienne




From fuzzy at outgun.com  Mon Nov 12 15:08:05 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:08:05 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TRI-MIRACLE $22-Not $60-SERIOUS MARKETERS ONLY!!
Message-ID: <20011112140805.19720.qmail@outgun.com>

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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20011112/841db926/attachment.html 

From sdinn at spine.cx  Mon Nov 12 15:12:31 2001
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:12:31 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List spam
In-Reply-To: <20011112140805.19720.qmail@outgun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111121011490.18657-100000@spine.cx>

I don't know if this has been brought up before, but can't we limit
posting to list members?

	-Steve.


On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Bob C wrote:

> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> bob56 at mail2him.com
> For More Info Send A Blank Email To-> bob56 at freeautobot.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
>  Get your free email from http://www.outgun.com
> 
> [ackmail.cgi?id=38939602mailman-users at python.org&user=fuzzy] 
> ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
 Steve Dinn                       email:  mailto:sdinn at spine.cx
                                    www:  http://spine.cx/

            Join my fight against Subway's new cut!
                  http://spine.cx/subway/




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 12 15:14:03 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:14:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting rid of the List Info in headers
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011112084842.00b1ea60@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011112084842.00b1ea60@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <01111209140302.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

See the recent archives (or the FAQ) for a complete discussion of this 
topic.

In general, you must modify the source code (which is extremely easy to do 
in Mailman).  There is one particular file that adds these entries, and you 
can easily edit that file:
  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

Just make a copy of it and then edit it with your favorite editor to remove 
the various headers you don't like.

Python will automagically recompile the code (into CookHeadres.pyc) once 
you save the new file.

Jon Carnes
===
On Monday 12 November 2001 08:50, mailman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How one would get rid of the long list of urls (List-Help etc.) ans
> addresses sent with all posts (you know :
>
> List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
> List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> 	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
> List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
> List-Unsubscribe:
> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>
> ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Etienne
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 12 15:34:29 2001
From: dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com (Dean J. Pompilio)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:34:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems running 'configure' for Mailman 2.0.5
In-Reply-To: <200111072323.PAA06683@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <20011112143429.18447.qmail@web10404.mail.yahoo.com>

I have set the perms according to the docs.  

The top-level dir is: /export/home/mailman
The perms are: drwxrwsr-x   4 root  mailman      512 Nov  2 14:16 mailman
This is the output from 'check_perms':

dpompilio# /export/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.5/bin/check_perms
'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/export/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.5/bin/check_perms", line 30, in ?
    import os
ImportError: No module named os
dpompilio# 

Any suggestions gurus?

--- Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM> wrote:
> Looks like permissions to me, but you supply no permissions
> information (what user were you and what permissions are on the
> $prefix dir)
> 
> > I have successfully configured and make'd Python 2.2b1 on my Solaris 8
> > workstation.  I am trying to configure mailman using the options you see
> below
> > and it fails with the 'conftest.out' error.  Btw, the paths do exist and do
> > point to the right directories...
> > 
> > dpompilio# configure --prefix=/export/home/mailman/mailman-2.0.5
> > --with-python=/export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
> > loading cache ./config.cache
> > checking for --with-python... /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
> > checking Python interpreter... /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1
> > checking Python version... configure: /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1: 
> cannot
> > execute
> > cat: cannot open conftest.out
> > configure: error: 
> > 
> > ***** /export/home/mailman/Python-2.2b1 is too old (or broken)
> > ***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required
> > dpompilio# 
> > 	
> > Can anyone help here?
> > 
> > Thanx!
> > 
> > ~Dean
> > 
> > =====
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Dean J. Pompilio                  
> > Senior Technical Consultant             
> > MGM Technology Solutions          
> > Email: dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com   
> > Cell/Page/VoiceMail: 312-420-1298
> > WWW: http://www.mgmtech.net
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Find a job, post your resume.
> > http://careers.yahoo.com
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


=====
_________________________________________________________
Dean J. Pompilio                  
Senior Technical Consultant             
MGM Technology Solutions          
Email: dean_j_pompilio at yahoo.com   
Cell/Page/VoiceMail: 312-420-1298
WWW: http://www.mgmtech.net

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov 12 17:38:54 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:38:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ and help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011109155226.00a24540@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011109155226.00a24540@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <20011112113854.A3263@mems-exchange.org>

On 09 November 2001, mailman said:
> Is there a real FAQ somewhere (not the one on the official site), it's
> almost useless?

Just last week, Barry announced the start of a new FAQ wizard for
Mailman.  It already looks better than the FAQ on list.org.  I can't
remember the URL; check the archive for this list.

> Also, how one would get rid of the long list of url (List-Help etc.)
> ans addresses sent with all posts (you know :

Definitely an FAQ, but not in the new FAQ wizard AFAIK.

The usual answers are:
  1) these are useful headers, trust us, you really don't want
     to remove them
  2) hack the code
  3) tweak your MTA config to remove these headers on the way
     out (if possible)

Someone who understands #1 and the RFC behind should probably write an
FAQ entry for this... ;-)

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From Chad at Balius.com  Mon Nov 12 17:42:46 2001
From: Chad at Balius.com (Chad M. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Optimizing sendmail
In-Reply-To: <021601c1695f$c567ac40$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <021601c1695f$c567ac40$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <305605497.1005565365@[192.168.1.16]>

Due to the nature of how sendmail works I find that a site can get messages 
out faster if they have multiple processes running delivering mail to a 
small number of recipients.

When I was running sendmail and majordomo together I used a 3rd tool, 
bulk_mailer.  majordomo submitted one message to bulk_mailer.  bulk_mailer 
would split the single message into multiple messages with N recipients per 
message, where N is a number I set.

Now I'm using mailman to run the list I still employ the same logic.  If I 
let mailman give sendmail one message with 200+ recipients it would take 
hours to get that single message out.  The problem is that if recipient 50 
takes 2 minutes to connect and another 5 minutes to deliver that slows down 
delivery for all recipients after number 50.  Certainly more than just one 
address on the list will slow down delivery.

By having more sendmail processes with a small number of recipients per 
process allows for faster delivery. In my mailman configuration I set 
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 10.  Each site is unique and thus will have to find the 
right number for themselves.


Regards,
Chad





--On Friday, November 09, 2001 3:47 PM -0500 Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> 
wrote:

> http://www.sendmail.org
>
> Sendmail is extremely tweakable - so much so that the default is for a
> low-end server.  You can easily increase speed and efficiency by tweaking
> the values in your /etc/sendmail.cf file.
>
> The best tweak is to remove that ident crap call by setting:
>   O Timeout.ident=0s
>
> Otherwise 99% of your connections wait for 30seconds before actually doing
> anything...
>
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Dinn" <sdinn at spine.cx>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 1:01 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Optimizing sendmail
>
>
>>
>> I know that the question I'm about to ask doesn't relate specifically to
>> mailman, but I thought that I'd be in the company of people who are more
>> qualified than most to answer it:
>>
>> In what ways can sendmail be tweaked or otherwised optimized for sending
>> out a large number of emails at once?  This is the case everytime someone
>> posts to a list withi lots of subscribers, so I thought it relevant.
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> -Steve.
>>
>> --
>>  Steve Dinn                       email:  mailto:sdinn at spine.cx
>>                                     www:  http://spine.cx/
>>
>>             Join my fight against Subway's new cut!
>>                   http://spine.cx/subway/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov 12 17:44:36 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:44:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce: 0 more allowed over 166798 secs
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011110123623.0246fa48@mail.cleansoft.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011109191420.031fbad8@mail.cleansoft.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20011110123623.0246fa48@mail.cleansoft.com>
Message-ID: <20011112114436.B3263@mems-exchange.org>

On 10 November 2001, Michael Deck said:
> Ok, I think I have it figured out. Not knowing Python was a hindrance but 
> having the source sure helped. :)
> 
> Turns out that SMTP was returning a 553. When I dug into it a bit on 
> Google, I saw that 553 was a rcpt host problem. Then I tried sending myself 
> some mail at another machine using my machine's SMTP and Lo! I was misusing 
> rcpthosts. I had a rcpthosts file and it had only me in it. So only I was 
> getting the mails from the list.

Once again I will plug my favourite network debugging tool: Ethereal, a
fantastic GUI packet-tracing tool.  If you had been running Ethereal
while submitting message to Mailman, you could watch the traffic between
Mailman and qmail in real time, and you would have immediately seen the
553 response from sendmail.  Who needs source code when you can just see
the whole SMTP conversation right there?

(www.ethereal.com, or "apt-get install ethereal" if you're running Debian.)

        Greg
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From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Nov 12 17:51:12 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:51:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ and help
In-Reply-To: <20011112113854.A3263@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111120850040.4178-100000@localhost>

On Nov 12, 2001 at 11:38, Greg Ward wrote:

>On 09 November 2001, mailman said:

>Just last week, Barry announced the start of a new FAQ wizard for
>Mailman.  It already looks better than the FAQ on list.org.  I can't
>remember the URL; check the archive for this list.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

>> Also, how one would get rid of the long list of url (List-Help etc.)
>Definitely an FAQ, but not in the new FAQ wizard AFAIK.

It is now.

-- 
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From jorge.llacer at bt.es  Mon Nov 12 17:47:20 2001
From: jorge.llacer at bt.es (jorge.llacer at bt.es)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:47:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information store
Message-ID: <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371AF08@ESLICASAEX2>

Hello,
I would like to know the way information about lists, subscribers and
specific lists configuration is stored in the system and how it could be
accessed to. Is this information stored in plain text? How could we
(administrators) access to it?

Thank you very much.

Jorge.



********************************************** 
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Este mensaje electr?nico contiene informaci?n de BT Ignite Espa?a S.A.U. que
es privada y confidencial, siendo para el uso exclusivo de la persona (s) o
entidades arriba mencionadas. Si usted no es el destinatario se?alado, le
informamos que cualquier divulgaci?n, copia, distribuci?n o uso de los
contenidos est? prohibida. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error, por
favor borre su contenido lo antes posible. 
Gracias.



From gaf at blu.org  Mon Nov 12 18:07:07 2001
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:07:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information store
In-Reply-To: <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371AF08@ESLICASAEX2>
Message-ID: <3BEFBB6B.18293.A9A34E5@localhost>

In addition to this,
I noticed that when email addresses are added to the list, only the bare 
email addresses appear to be captured:(eg.
Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org> becomes gaf at blu.org. )
Is there any mechanism to capture the entire address in its various 
forms, above and gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman) etc. 
This is important in some cases where subscribers with multiple 
addresses try to post from an alternate address. Rather than simply 
accepting or rejecting the post, I like to tell them what address they are 
subscribed as. In some cases, some of my lists are nearly 10 years old 
and  may contain the ugly Compuserve addresses. 
Or, on a restricted list, I like to see the name of a new subscriber. 
On 12 Nov 2001, at 17:47, jorge.llacer at bt.es wrote:

> Hello,
> I would like to know the way information about lists, subscribers and
> specific lists configuration is stored in the system and how it could be
> accessed to. Is this information stored in plain text? How could we
> (administrators) access to it?

Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
Associate Director
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 12 18:26:14 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:26:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information store
References: <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371AF08@ESLICASAEX2>
Message-ID: <006d01c16b9f$21823cc0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The information is stored in plain text inside a database.  There are many
scripts included with Mailman (in the ~mailman/bin directory) which allow
you access to that information.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: <jorge.llacer at bt.es>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Information store


> Hello,
> I would like to know the way information about lists, subscribers and
> specific lists configuration is stored in the system and how it could be
> accessed to. Is this information stored in plain text? How could we
> (administrators) access to it?
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Jorge.
>
>
>
> **********************************************
> Noticia legal
> Este mensaje electr?nico contiene informaci?n de BT Ignite Espa?a S.A.U.
que
> es privada y confidencial, siendo para el uso exclusivo de la persona (s)
o
> entidades arriba mencionadas. Si usted no es el destinatario se?alado, le
> informamos que cualquier divulgaci?n, copia, distribuci?n o uso de los
> contenidos est? prohibida. Si usted ha recibido este mensaje por error,
por
> favor borre su contenido lo antes posible.
> Gracias.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Nov 12 18:39:50 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:39:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] {Mailman-Users] Getting rid of the List Info in headers
References: <E163HrZ-0006ig-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3BF00966.F016AAC@nleaudio.com>

> How one would get rid of the long list of urls (List-Help etc.) ans addresses sent with all posts (you know :

See http://nleaudio..com/bnotes/mailman.htm



From glen at kk7ih.net  Mon Nov 12 21:16:12 2001
From: glen at kk7ih.net (T. Glen Haggard)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:16:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam
Message-ID: <001301c16bb6$e15fb3d0$7208a940@dusty>

I see the Spam mail coming through this list. Is this something that is a
problem with mailman? I am setting things up but I don't want to have to
deal with the Spam or outside post on any of me list. Is there a way to get
rid of these things like limiting the post to subscribers only? Would like
to know before setting up mailman.

Glen




From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Mon Nov 12 21:15:52 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List spam
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111121011490.18657-100000@spine.cx>
Message-ID: <3BF02DF7.7ED726E@abs-comptech.com>

Yes, you can.  It has been especially useful for limiting the distribution of the SPAM.

Steve Dinn wrote:

> I don't know if this has been brought up before, but can't we limit
> posting to list members?
>
>         -Steve.
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Bob C wrote:
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > bob56 at mail2him.com
> > For More Info Send A Blank Email To-> bob56 at freeautobot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >  Get your free email from http://www.outgun.com
> >
> > [ackmail.cgi?id=38939602mailman-users at python.org&user=fuzzy]
> > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> --
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>                                     www:  http://spine.cx/
>
>             Join my fight against Subway's new cut!
>                   http://spine.cx/subway/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov 12 21:44:01 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ and help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111120850040.4178-100000@localhost>
References: <20011112113854.A3263@mems-exchange.org> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111120850040.4178-100000@localhost>
Message-ID: <20011112154401.A15961@mems-exchange.org>

On 12 November 2001, Satya said:
> >Definitely an FAQ, but not in the new FAQ wizard AFAIK.
> 
> It is now.

Great, thanks.  I dug up the relevant RFC (2369) and am editing your
entry to refer to it.

Does anyone know which mail clients actually use the "List-*" headers?
Might be nice to mention them in the FAQ entry.

        Greg
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 12 21:57:58 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:57:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Spam
References: <001301c16bb6$e15fb3d0$7208a940@dusty>
Message-ID: <3BF037D5.6326D71D@pcraft.com>

"T. Glen Haggard" wrote:

> I see the Spam mail coming through this list. Is this something that is a
> problem with mailman? I am setting things up but I don't want to have to
> deal with the Spam or outside post on any of me list. Is there a way to get
> rid of these things like limiting the post to subscribers only? Would like
> to know before setting up mailman.

    Yes you can.  It's in the main configuration page for each list.

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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Nov 12 21:57:05 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:57:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce: 0 more allowed over 166798 secs
Message-ID: <200111122057.MAA12871@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Once again I will plug my favourite network debugging tool: Ethereal, a
> fantastic GUI packet-tracing tool.  

...and of course there are many other packet-tracing tools if you
don't happen to have Ethereal that accomplish the same thing:
etherfind, tcpdump, snoop just to name a few.

One of the many many reasons that setting up networking on
Unix is so much more fun than setting it up on other OSes.




From paced at odshp.com  Mon Nov 12 23:08:54 2001
From: paced at odshp.com (Dale Pace)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:08:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal web pages vs external email users
References: <E163KSi-0006cz-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3BF04876.483E52E1@odshp.com>

Hello experienced users:
I have just recently installed Mailman.  So far so good.  It seems to work
as designed.

My site has internal users and external users, an intranet and internet.
We want to use Mailman web pages, currently just for internal users,
but some of the list recipients are external users.

What I want to do should be quite simple, but I have never programed
in Python and have little time to learn another language right now.

My question is how can I send messages with URL's to internal members
and without URL's to external members.  I found the script Digester.py
and dropped URL references.  I found the template subscribeack.txt and
reworded it.  This works for external users, but I would rather find a place
to make a decision and select the proper template.

Has anyone done this and can point me to the script to change or even
better has the code already done.  ;-)

Thanks, Dale
--
Dale Pace
UNIX Administrator
ODS Health Plans
paced at odshp.com





From werthmann at un.org  Mon Nov 12 23:32:12 2001
From: werthmann at un.org (Colleen Werthmann)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:32:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a ? from United Nations Cyberschoolbus
Message-ID: <OF54434B50.BCA105DA-ON85256B02.007B3F52@un.org>

Hi Mailman people,

I have never used our Mailman before, and I'm the sort of asst. admin
person for it.  My question is this:  The message I posted and want to send
out is quite long (a newsletter for our users). When I went to approve my
own message, I saw that the message "Excerpt" cut off at about a
three-quarters of the real message.  i've set the preferences to no limit
for posting length.  Should I be worried about this?  Please write back as
soon as you can, OK?  Thanks.  I know this may be a dumb question.

CW




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov 13 00:00:27 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:00:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a ? from United Nations Cyberschoolbus
In-Reply-To: <OF54434B50.BCA105DA-ON85256B02.007B3F52@un.org>
References: <OF54434B50.BCA105DA-ON85256B02.007B3F52@un.org>
Message-ID: <20011112180027.A16835@mems-exchange.org>

On 12 November 2001, Colleen Werthmann said:
> I have never used our Mailman before, and I'm the sort of asst. admin
> person for it.  My question is this:  The message I posted and want to send
> out is quite long (a newsletter for our users). When I went to approve my
> own message, I saw that the message "Excerpt" cut off at about a
> three-quarters of the real message.

I suspect that's just Mailman's web interface trying to avoid generating
a really huge web page in case someone mails a 5 MB file to the list.

> Should I be worried about this?

I don't think so.  Mailman should send the complete message to the list
just fine.

> Thanks.  I know this may be a dumb question.

There are no stupid questions, only stupid ... oh wait, I'm supposed to
be polite on this list, aren't I.  >smirk<

        Greg
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From fball at franciscans.com  Tue Nov 13 00:06:08 2001
From: fball at franciscans.com (J. Frederick Ball OEF)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:06:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users without notification
In-Reply-To: <20011112180027.A16835@mems-exchange.org>
References: <OF54434B50.BCA105DA-ON85256B02.007B3F52@un.org>
 <OF54434B50.BCA105DA-ON85256B02.007B3F52@un.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20011112170228.00b88840@mail.jfredball.com>

Is there a way (running Mailman 2.0.7) to remove a user from a list 
*without* allowing a message to go out to that person?  I have two 
instances where this would be helpful.

One is a case where sendmail reports "Can not check MX records for 
recipient host domainname.com" and Mailman has been trying to deliver the 
message forever.  The other is a case where somehow, probably in a mass 
subscription, someone was subscribed with use at domain.ne as the address -- 
that is, it should have been "net" not "ne" -- and I want to remove that 
person from the list.  Obviously, it is pointless to mail a notification of 
such action to a bad address.

Ideas?

Fred Ball





From webmaster at ochiba.net  Tue Nov 13 00:08:09 2001
From: webmaster at ochiba.net (ochiba)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:08:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I had Mailman pre-installed on my last webhost server.
Message-ID: <005801c16bce$e5e4d9e0$f6221f18@we.mediaone.net>

However, I have a new webhost now who doesn't use mailman. I am not programming literate and I can barely install PHP and CGI scripts, but I would kill to have my mailman back. Is there an installation guide for dummies, or someone generous enough to help me set it up on my server? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
O. Chan
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From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Nov 13 00:12:00 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:12:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman with RPM
Message-ID: <200111122312.fACNC1L08482@mail.webbgroup.net>

I have recently installed mailman and have gotten it working, however I would like 
to know how to get mailman working with RedHat's RPM'ed version of mailman. It 
looks like I have to reconfigure the source with the --with-mail-gid and the --with-
cgi-gid tags.

How would I do this with the RPM'd version??

I have already tried

rpm --rebuild --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody mailman-2.0.6-1.src.rpm

I get an error that says that it doesn't know what --with-mail-gid is.

What am I doing wrong. Is there any way that I can recompile the RPM'd version??
-- 
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 13 00:20:43 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:20:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal web pages vs external email users
References: <E163KSi-0006cz-00@mail.python.org> <3BF04876.483E52E1@odshp.com>
Message-ID: <018e01c16bd0$a6f75080$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The best solution I can think of using the current version of Mailman is to
make two list - one for external folks and one for internal folks.  Set up
the lists separately so that the http info makes it to your internal folks
and nothing goes out to the external folks.  In your aliases file set email
to go to both lists (whether email is sent to the internal or external
list).

I would use two list names with slight changes, like: my_list and my-list

Jon Carnes

BTW, you could always put up a redirect on an external server to allow folks
access to the internal webpages, then setup an htaccess file so that local
request are allowed with no authentication, but requests from the redirect
must login.  If you like, you can even make the authentication the same as
that used by mailman...   Just a thought!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Pace" <paced at odshp.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:08 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal web pages vs external email users


> Hello experienced users:
> I have just recently installed Mailman.  So far so good.  It seems to work
> as designed.
>
> My site has internal users and external users, an intranet and internet.
> We want to use Mailman web pages, currently just for internal users,
> but some of the list recipients are external users.
>
> What I want to do should be quite simple, but I have never programed
> in Python and have little time to learn another language right now.
>
> My question is how can I send messages with URL's to internal members
> and without URL's to external members.  I found the script Digester.py
> and dropped URL references.  I found the template subscribeack.txt and
> reworded it.  This works for external users, but I would rather find a
place
> to make a decision and select the proper template.
>
> Has anyone done this and can point me to the script to change or even
> better has the code already done.  ;-)
>
> Thanks, Dale
> --
> Dale Pace
> UNIX Administrator
> ODS Health Plans
> paced at odshp.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Nov 13 00:27:33 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:27:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a ? from United Nations Cyberschoolbus
Message-ID: <200111122327.PAA22743@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Although the display on the web page may show only an excerpt,
when you approve you approve the entire message.  You can change
how much text appears on the web page independently.

> Hi Mailman people,
> 
> I have never used our Mailman before, and I'm the sort of asst. admin
> person for it.  My question is this:  The message I posted and want to send
> out is quite long (a newsletter for our users). When I went to approve my
> own message, I saw that the message "Excerpt" cut off at about a
> three-quarters of the real message.  i've set the preferences to no limit
> for posting length.  Should I be worried about this?  Please write back as
> soon as you can, OK?  Thanks.  I know this may be a dumb question.
> 
> CW
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 13 00:29:52 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:29:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users without notification
References: <OF54434B50.BCA105DA-ON85256B02.007B3F52@un.org> <OF54434B50.BCA105DA-ON85256B02.007B3F52@un.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20011112170228.00b88840@mail.jfredball.com>
Message-ID: <019e01c16bd1$edfc8210$0b04010a@JCARNES>

First of all, you should let Mailman remove users who are bouncing
excessively.  Check out the admin options for this and modify if necessary.
This is not a task that you should be worrying about - that is why you use
Mailman...

If you really want to catch the traffic for an unsubscribe then turn off
your MTA (Sendmail, or whatever) then do the unsubscribe.  Delete the
created message out of your queue. Turn your MTA back on.
There are also various MTA add-ons that will let you catch the traffic
before it leaves your site.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Frederick Ball OEF" <fball at franciscans.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users without notification


> Is there a way (running Mailman 2.0.7) to remove a user from a list
> *without* allowing a message to go out to that person?  I have two
> instances where this would be helpful.
>
> One is a case where sendmail reports "Can not check MX records for
> recipient host domainname.com" and Mailman has been trying to deliver the
> message forever.  The other is a case where somehow, probably in a mass
> subscription, someone was subscribed with use at domain.ne as the address --
> that is, it should have been "net" not "ne" -- and I want to remove that
> person from the list.  Obviously, it is pointless to mail a notification
of
> such action to a bad address.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Fred Ball
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 13 00:38:40 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:38:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman with RPM
References: <200111122312.fACNC1L08482@mail.webbgroup.net>
Message-ID: <01bb01c16bd3$2898d260$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You would need to get the SRPMs (the source RPM's), which would be way more
trouble than just dropping down the tar-ball and doing it form that!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Webb" <joel at webbgroup.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman with RPM


> I have recently installed mailman and have gotten it working, however I
would like
> to know how to get mailman working with RedHat's RPM'ed version of
mailman. It
> looks like I have to reconfigure the source with the --with-mail-gid and
the --with-
> cgi-gid tags.
>
> How would I do this with the RPM'd version??
>
> I have already tried
>
> rpm --rebuild --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody
mailman-2.0.6-1.src.rpm
>
> I get an error that says that it doesn't know what --with-mail-gid is.
>
> What am I doing wrong. Is there any way that I can recompile the RPM'd
version??
> --
> Respectfully,
>
> Joel Webb
> WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
> www.webbgroup.net
> 336.841.7241
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Nov 13 00:40:31 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:40:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman with RPM
Message-ID: <200111122340.fACNeXL11207@mail.webbgroup.net>

That is what I am talking about. Using the source RPMS

Jon Carnes (jonc at haht.com) wrote: 
>
>You would need to get the SRPMs (the source RPM's), which would be way more
>trouble than just dropping down the tar-ball and doing it form that!
>
>Jon Carnes
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joel Webb" <joel at webbgroup.net>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:12 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman with RPM
>
>
>> I have recently installed mailman and have gotten it working, however I
>would like
>> to know how to get mailman working with RedHat's RPM'ed version of
>mailman. It
>> looks like I have to reconfigure the source with the --with-mail-gid and
>the --with-
>> cgi-gid tags.
>>
>> How would I do this with the RPM'd version??
>>
>> I have already tried
>>
>> rpm --rebuild --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody
>mailman-2.0.6-1.src.rpm
>>
>> I get an error that says that it doesn't know what --with-mail-gid is.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong. Is there any way that I can recompile the RPM'd
>version??
>> --
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Joel Webb
>> WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
>> www.webbgroup.net
>> 336.841.7241
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

-- 
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Nov 13 02:12:08 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:12:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ and help
In-Reply-To: <20011112154401.A15961@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111121711300.2696-100000@localhost>

On Nov 12, 2001 at 15:44, Greg Ward wrote:

>Great, thanks.  I dug up the relevant RFC (2369) and am editing your
>entry to refer to it.

Goody. Yay!

>Does anyone know which mail clients actually use the "List-*" headers?
>Might be nice to mention them in the FAQ entry.

Pine, for one. At least 4.21 onwards.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
Due to circumstances beyond our control, we regret to inform you that
circumstances are beyond our control. --Paul Benoit




From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Tue Nov 13 02:19:00 2001
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:19:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to my machine ...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111121914020.1965-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>

I am running mailman with postfix.

I have to rename my mailman machine and give it a new ip address,
forturnately a fixed ip like the old one.   I have about 100 working
lists with their attendant web pages.

What do I have to do about changing names for these web pages, and
anything else, etc?

thanks in advance,

Paul L. Schumacher
Winona State University
Computer Science Department




From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Nov 13 04:11:35 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:11:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about after setup
Message-ID: <200111130311.fAD3BaL17160@mail.webbgroup.net>

After the setup of mailman how do you subscribe to the list without adding in 
aliases into the /etc/aliases file?

I already have mailman and mailman-owner but do I have to put in anything else that 
points the email requests to the specified list??

Somebody help me
-- 
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 05:46:37 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:46:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to my machine ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111121914020.1965-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111121914020.1965-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>
Message-ID: <01111223463700.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 12 November 2001 20:19, Paul L. Schumacher wrote:
> I am running mailman with postfix.
>
> I have to rename my mailman machine and give it a new ip address,
> forturnately a fixed ip like the old one.   I have about 100 working
> lists with their attendant web pages.
>
> What do I have to do about changing names for these web pages, and
> anything else, etc?
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> Paul L. Schumacher
> Winona State University
> Computer Science Department

Wow, that's an interesting problem...  You have to change the name of the 
box too?  

Of course you will have to modify Postfix so that it operates using the new 
name and knows that that is local.  You'll also have to modify Apache to 
let it know the new name to accept as local.  

For Mailman, you will definately need to modify the two bottom entries on 
the General Options page for the web admin.  
  "Host name this list prefers"
  "Base URL for Mailman web interface."
These should reflect the new web and email address base.  Then you might 
have to move to the Privacy Options page and add the new address as an 
address to
  "Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
      or cc destination names for this list"

As far as Mailman is concerned, that should get you up and running again 
after the renaming.

Good Luck!  Let us know how it turns out.  It would make a good FAQ item...

Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 05:55:48 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:55:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about after setup
In-Reply-To: <200111130311.fAD3BaL17160@mail.webbgroup.net>
References: <200111130311.fAD3BaL17160@mail.webbgroup.net>
Message-ID: <01111223554801.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 12 November 2001 22:11, Joel Webb wrote:
> After the setup of mailman how do you subscribe to the list without
> adding in aliases into the /etc/aliases file?
>
> I already have mailman and mailman-owner but do I have to put in anything
> else that points the email requests to the specified list??
>
> Somebody help me

You can add folks via the web interface, but without the aliases, you could 
not forward mail to the list... at least not easily.

The aliases redirect emails into an executable script.  Without the 
aliases, you would have to run the executable script manually on a 
hand-crafted* email.

*hand-crafted like in the days of Samuel Adams when they used to carve 
emails into the chared bark of old sycamore trees...

Jon Carnes



From dredd at megacity.org  Tue Nov 13 05:56:25 2001
From: dredd at megacity.org (Derek J. Balling)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:56:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] yahoo spam filters
In-Reply-To: <5877.1005537852@kanga.nu>
References: <20011111155806.49069.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com>
 <5877.1005537852@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <p05101006b816585a909e@[192.168.123.171]>

At 8:04 PM -0800 11/11/01, J C Lawrence wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:58:06 -0800 (PST)
>Culley Harrelson <culleyharrelson at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>  Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?  It seems shocking
>>  to me that the filter attached itself to her ip rather than to the
>>  mail server... 
>
>More likely she's listed on one of rfc-ignorant.org's lists.

Nah, I don't think Y! uses the RFCI lists... just because I work 
there doesn't mean they use my pet project's lists. ;-)

D

-- 
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+
| dredd at megacity.org  | "Thou art the ruins of the noblest man  |
|  Derek J. Balling   |  That ever lived in the tide of times.  |
|                     |  Woe to the hand that shed this costly  |
|                     |  blood" - Julius Caesar Act 3, Scene 1  |
+---------------------+-----------------------------------------+



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 06:15:42 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:15:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about after setup
In-Reply-To: <01111223554801.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <200111130311.fAD3BaL17160@mail.webbgroup.net> <01111223554801.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <01111300154202.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 12 November 2001 23:55, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Monday 12 November 2001 22:11, Joel Webb wrote:
> > After the setup of mailman how do you subscribe to the list without
> > adding in aliases into the /etc/aliases file?
> >
> > I already have mailman and mailman-owner but do I have to put in
> > anything else that points the email requests to the specified list??
> >
> > Somebody help me
>
> You can add folks via the web interface, but without the aliases, you
> could not forward mail to the list... at least not easily.
>
> The aliases redirect emails into an executable script.  Without the
> aliases, you would have to run the executable script manually on a
> hand-crafted* email.
>
> *hand-crafted like in the days of Samuel Adams when they used to carve
> emails into the chared bark of old sycamore trees...
>
> Jon Carnes

Sorry, its been a long day...  Your question is simply "how do I add users 
to a Mailman list?"  Right?

First create a list.  Go to ~mailman/bin and run the command "newlist".  
You'll need to specify the name of an email list that you want created.  
Mailman will generate the list and then output four lines that need to go 
into /etc/aliases.  You can just cut and paste these right into 
/etc/aliases.  Then be sure to run "newaliases" so that the aliases are 
moved into aliases.db (the hash table used by sendmail).

Now you need to go the web-based Admin pages of the list you just created 
and edit the options to match your lists function.  After that, you are 
ready to add users to the list.

Well there are a lot of ways to add users:
  - Add folks under Membership Option in the web-based Admin interface,
  - Add folks using the command scripts in ~mailman/bin (sync_members works 
great),
  - Have folks add themselves by sending a subscribe message via email to 
the list (send email to list_name-request with "subscribe" as the subject),
  - Have folks visit the Listinfo pages on your webserver and add 
themselves via the web interface.

Those are the major ways that folks get their email into a Mailman list.

Once you subscribe to a list, you will recieve a Welcome note that explains 
how to access the list for normal activity.

Hope this one is more to the mark of your question!

Jon Carnes



From minitom at blaster.dyndns.org  Tue Nov 13 13:54:52 2001
From: minitom at blaster.dyndns.org (Minitom)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:54:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid problem
Message-ID: <20011113135452.6939224b.minitom@blaster.dyndns.org>

Hello,

first I would like to thank the people who replied to my first post to this list.

Now ... my problem :

I compiled mailman with options : ./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=48. Of course 12 is for "mail" and 48 is for apache. I add a new list : everything is OK. I add a user to the list : evrything is OK. But when the user try to confirm the subscription, I get the same reply than before, but whith a whole new error message.

I'm sure the list exists (I can read the right lines in /etc/postfix/aliases), but this is the message users get :

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.
???? ???? ????The Postfix program
<test-request at blaster.dyndns.org>: Command died with status 2:
? ?"/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec
? ?script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99. ?(Reconfigure to take 99?)

??? 99 is the "nobody" account. Did I forget any option when I ran ./configure ? 

Thanks for your help



From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Nov 13 13:58:21 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:58:21 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to my machine ...
Message-ID: <200111131258.fADCwLL20824@mail.webbgroup.net>

Why dont you put aliases into your http.conf file instead. If you have to just remap
some webpages, this would be an easier task.

Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote: 
>
>On Monday 12 November 2001 20:19, Paul L. Schumacher wrote:
>> I am running mailman with postfix.
>>
>> I have to rename my mailman machine and give it a new ip address,
>> forturnately a fixed ip like the old one.   I have about 100 working
>> lists with their attendant web pages.
>>
>> What do I have to do about changing names for these web pages, and
>> anything else, etc?
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>>
>> Paul L. Schumacher
>> Winona State University
>> Computer Science Department
>
>Wow, that's an interesting problem...  You have to change the name of the
>box too?
>
>Of course you will have to modify Postfix so that it operates using the new
>name and knows that that is local.  You'll also have to modify Apache to
>let it know the new name to accept as local.
>
>For Mailman, you will definately need to modify the two bottom entries on
>the General Options page for the web admin.
>"Host name this list prefers"
>"Base URL for Mailman web interface."
>These should reflect the new web and email address base.  Then you might
>have to move to the Privacy Options page and add the new address as an
>address to
>"Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
>or cc destination names for this list"
>
>As far as Mailman is concerned, that should get you up and running again
>after the renaming.
>
>Good Luck!  Let us know how it turns out.  It would make a good FAQ item...
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

-- 
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241



From fuzzy at outgun.com  Tue Nov 13 14:48:48 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:48:48 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forget->Tri-Miracle 3 in 72 hr. Rush! Only $22 No Time Limits!!!!
Message-ID: <20011113134848.7835.qmail@outgun.com>

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From bga at bug-br.org.br  Tue Nov 13 15:05:19 2001
From: bga at bug-br.org.br (Bruno G. Albuquerque)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:05:19 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forget->Tri-Miracle 3 in 72 hr. Rush! Only $22 No Time Limits!!!!
References: <20011113134848.7835.qmail@outgun.com>
Message-ID: <00e501c16c4c$3da19b00$0f02a8c0@winco.com.br>

From: "Bob C" <fuzzy at outgun.com>

> Disclaimer at bottom:

[snip]

> Disclaimer:You Are Are Receiving This Because You Are A Member Of
Mailman.org list-This is
> not Spam.

Yeah, right. I think this is really the time to close the list for external
posts.

-Bruno





From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 15:28:05 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 13 Nov 2001 14:28:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] This list configuration - member only post
Message-ID: <1005661686.11883.9.camel@gaspode.localnet>

[Resent without the additional funky characters in the addresses :-( ]

Barry,

Ages back there was a discussion about restricting the
mailman-users/developers lists to member posting only, and I was under
the impression that this was put into place for a trial period.

We are now seeing rather more spam hitting the lists.  Is the member
posting restriction currently on?  If not can it be put on - I am sure
you can find a few of us old time members who manage other lists and
would be prepared to act as co-moderators if this is a work load issue.
Alternatively, have we got intelligent spammers (maybe an oxymoron) who
are subscribing and then spamming us?

        Nigel.





From sdinn at spine.cx  Tue Nov 13 16:10:26 2001
From: sdinn at spine.cx (Steve Dinn)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:10:26 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forget->Tri-Miracle 3 in 72 hr. Rush! Only $22
 No Time Limits!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e501c16c4c$3da19b00$0f02a8c0@winco.com.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111131109480.23530-100000@spine.cx>

Amen to that.

It that wasn't spam, I'll swallow my keyboard whole.

	-Steve.


On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Bruno G. Albuquerque wrote:

> From: "Bob C" <fuzzy at outgun.com>
> 
> > Disclaimer at bottom:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Disclaimer:You Are Are Receiving This Because You Are A Member Of
> Mailman.org list-This is
> > not Spam.
> 
> Yeah, right. I think this is really the time to close the list for external
> posts.
> 
> -Bruno
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 16:29:20 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:29:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to my machine ...
References: <200111131258.fADCwLL20824@mail.webbgroup.net>
Message-ID: <004801c16c57$f73dc6a0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Unless I read the question wrong (quite possible...) he's getting a new ip
address and a new domain name.  He is not changing any directory structure.
He will definitely want to update the FQDN info as folks will be clicking on
links which must stay local and not go off to his old domain/ip.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Webb" <joel at webbgroup.net>
To: <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu>;
<mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to
my machine ...


> Why dont you put aliases into your http.conf file instead. If you have to
just remap
> some webpages, this would be an easier task.
>
> Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote:
> >
> >On Monday 12 November 2001 20:19, Paul L. Schumacher wrote:
> >> I am running mailman with postfix.
> >>
> >> I have to rename my mailman machine and give it a new ip address,
> >> forturnately a fixed ip like the old one.   I have about 100 working
> >> lists with their attendant web pages.
> >>
> >> What do I have to do about changing names for these web pages, and
> >> anything else, etc?
> >>
> >> thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Paul L. Schumacher
> >> Winona State University
> >> Computer Science Department
> >
> >Wow, that's an interesting problem...  You have to change the name of the
> >box too?
> >
> >Of course you will have to modify Postfix so that it operates using the
new
> >name and knows that that is local.  You'll also have to modify Apache to
> >let it know the new name to accept as local.
> >
> >For Mailman, you will definately need to modify the two bottom entries on
> >the General Options page for the web admin.
> >"Host name this list prefers"
> >"Base URL for Mailman web interface."
> >These should reflect the new web and email address base.  Then you might
> >have to move to the Privacy Options page and add the new address as an
> >address to
> >"Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
> >or cc destination names for this list"
> >
> >As far as Mailman is concerned, that should get you up and running again
> >after the renaming.
> >
> >Good Luck!  Let us know how it turns out.  It would make a good FAQ
item...
> >
> >Jon Carnes
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> --
> Respectfully,
>
> Joel Webb
> WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
> www.webbgroup.net
> 336.841.7241




From paced at odshp.com  Tue Nov 13 16:47:01 2001
From: paced at odshp.com (Dale Pace)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:47:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal web pages vs external email users
References: <E163KSi-0006cz-00@mail.python.org> <3BF04876.483E52E1@odshp.com> <018e01c16bd0$a6f75080$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <3BF14075.678025FA@odshp.com>

Hello again,
Thanks for the prompt reply.  I think you may be misunderstanding what
I want to do.  First, I don't want list administrators to have to make decisions

that software should be able to do.

I want a filter that when it sees an external email address for a member, it
simply removes "list URL" references from the current email message.

One if statement somewhere that selects from two email templates for the
current  canned message.  I don't want URL's appearing in messages that
are inaccessible to the recipient.

My real problem is that I don't know the logic of Mailman or Python.

Thanks again,
Dale

Jon Carnes wrote:

> The best solution I can think of using the current version of Mailman is to
> make two list - one for external folks and one for internal folks.  Set up
> the lists separately so that the http info makes it to your internal folks
> and nothing goes out to the external folks.  In your aliases file set email
> to go to both lists (whether email is sent to the internal or external
> list).
>
> I would use two list names with slight changes, like: my_list and my-list
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> BTW, you could always put up a redirect on an external server to allow folks
> access to the internal webpages, then setup an htaccess file so that local
> request are allowed with no authentication, but requests from the redirect
> must login.  If you like, you can even make the authentication the same as
> that used by mailman...   Just a thought!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale Pace" <paced at odshp.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:08 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal web pages vs external email users
>
> > Hello experienced users:
> > I have just recently installed Mailman.  So far so good.  It seems to work
> > as designed.
> >
> > My site has internal users and external users, an intranet and internet.
> > We want to use Mailman web pages, currently just for internal users,
> > but some of the list recipients are external users.
> >
> > What I want to do should be quite simple, but I have never programed
> > in Python and have little time to learn another language right now.
> >
> > My question is how can I send messages with URL's to internal members
> > and without URL's to external members.  I found the script Digester.py
> > and dropped URL references.  I found the template subscribeack.txt and
> > reworded it.  This works for external users, but I would rather find a place
>
> > to make a decision and select the proper template.
> >
> > Has anyone done this and can point me to the script to change or even
> > better has the code already done.  ;-)
> >
> > Thanks, Dale
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Dale Pace
UNIX Administrator
ODS Health Plans
503 948-5590 x1325
paced at odshp.com





From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 13 17:00:22 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:00:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal web pages vs external email users
References: <E163KSi-0006cz-00@mail.python.org> <3BF04876.483E52E1@odshp.com> <018e01c16bd0$a6f75080$0b04010a@JCARNES> <3BF14075.678025FA@odshp.com>
Message-ID: <00be01c16c5c$4cb22960$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Yes, I understand; however, Mailman does not provide that functionality.  On
the bright side, the newest version (still in alpha) has some of that
functionality.  So in this case, patience will bring you closer to your
goal.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Pace" <paced at odshp.com>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Internal web pages vs external email users


> Hello again,
> Thanks for the prompt reply.  I think you may be misunderstanding what
> I want to do.  First, I don't want list administrators to have to make
decisions
>
> that software should be able to do.
>
> I want a filter that when it sees an external email address for a member,
it
> simply removes "list URL" references from the current email message.
>
> One if statement somewhere that selects from two email templates for the
> current  canned message.  I don't want URL's appearing in messages that
> are inaccessible to the recipient.
>
> My real problem is that I don't know the logic of Mailman or Python.
>
> Thanks again,
> Dale





From paul at cluefactory.org.uk  Tue Nov 13 17:07:44 2001
From: paul at cluefactory.org.uk (Paul Crowley)
Date: 13 Nov 2001 16:07:44 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving a Mailman list
In-Reply-To: Jon Carnes's message of "Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:15:42 -0500"
Message-ID: <873d3iu01b.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>

I have a mailing list on my home machine, running Mailman 1.1, which
I'd like to move onto a colocated host, running Mailman 2.0.6.  Is it
simply a question of tarring up the relevant directory in /lists and
unpacking it in the new site?  I know I'll also need to change the
hostname and URL once the list is in its new location.

cheers,
-- 
  __  Paul Crowley
\/ o\ sig at paul.cluefactory.org.uk
/\__/ http://www.cluefactory.org.uk/paul/
"Conservation of angular momentum makes the world go around" - John Clark



From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Tue Nov 13 18:18:24 2001
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:18:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to
 my machine ...
In-Reply-To: <004801c16c57$f73dc6a0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111131112220.5115-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>

I am have set everything up on this machine that I am sending this email
from.  (linux2.winona.msus.edu)  My old machine is
(linux.winona.msus.edu).  They have separate IP's in the same domain.  My
old machine has my old lists (in Majordomo), which I have resetup as
mailman lists on the new machine.  I want to switch over to the new
machine transparently to the users.  I was going to pull the plug on the
old machine, rename the new box and give it the old IP.

I found out the webpages have bad links, and something is wrong with the
aliases too, I think.

hope this makes things clearer.

Paul


On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Unless I read the question wrong (quite possible...) he's getting a new ip
> address and a new domain name.  He is not changing any directory structure.
> He will definitely want to update the FQDN info as folks will be clicking on
> links which must stay local and not go off to his old domain/ip.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Webb" <joel at webbgroup.net>
> To: <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu>;
> <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to
> my machine ...
>
>
> > Why dont you put aliases into your http.conf file instead. If you have to
> just remap
> > some webpages, this would be an easier task.
> >
> > Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote:
> > >
> > >On Monday 12 November 2001 20:19, Paul L. Schumacher wrote:
> > >> I am running mailman with postfix.
> > >>
> > >> I have to rename my mailman machine and give it a new ip address,
> > >> forturnately a fixed ip like the old one.   I have about 100 working
> > >> lists with their attendant web pages.
> > >>
> > >> What do I have to do about changing names for these web pages, and
> > >> anything else, etc?
> > >>
> > >> thanks in advance,
> > >>
> > >> Paul L. Schumacher
> > >> Winona State University
> > >> Computer Science Department
> > >
> > >Wow, that's an interesting problem...  You have to change the name of the
> > >box too?
> > >
> > >Of course you will have to modify Postfix so that it operates using the
> new
> > >name and knows that that is local.  You'll also have to modify Apache to
> > >let it know the new name to accept as local.
> > >
> > >For Mailman, you will definately need to modify the two bottom entries on
> > >the General Options page for the web admin.
> > >"Host name this list prefers"
> > >"Base URL for Mailman web interface."
> > >These should reflect the new web and email address base.  Then you might
> > >have to move to the Privacy Options page and add the new address as an
> > >address to
> > >"Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
> > >or cc destination names for this list"
> > >
> > >As far as Mailman is concerned, that should get you up and running again
> > >after the renaming.
> > >
> > >Good Luck!  Let us know how it turns out.  It would make a good FAQ
> item...
> > >
> > >Jon Carnes
> > >
> > >------------------------------------------------------
> > >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Joel Webb
> > WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
> > www.webbgroup.net
> > 336.841.7241
>

-- 
Paul L. Schumacher
Winona State University
Computer Science Department




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Nov 13 18:51:00 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Forget->Tri-Miracle 3 in 72 hr....
References: <20011113134848.7835.qmail@outgun.com>
Message-ID: <3BF15D84.95F0635F@pcraft.com>

Bob C wrote:

> Disclaimer at bottom:
> Disclaimer:You Are Are Receiving This Because You Are A Member Of
> Mailman.org list-This is not Spam.
>
    You're right, this isn't SPAM (Stuff Posing As Meat).  This is
Unsolicited Bulk E-Mail, which can be argued with the law to be illegal.

--
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From frost at packetst0rm.net  Tue Nov 13 20:35:28 2001
From: frost at packetst0rm.net (Michael Kummer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:35:28 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman starts hundrets of crond processes
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0111132035140.184-100000@warp4>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

hi!

i've experienced the following problem:

mailman starts hundrets of cronds and eats up all system memory until the
system completely hangs.

any suggestion?

i'm using latest mailman
Linux freedom 2.4.9 #1 Sat Aug 18 14:25:14 CEST 2001 i686 unknown
slackware 8

- -rw-------    1 root     root         1083 Nov 12 20:34 mailman

- -- cut --

# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
#0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S
/export/home1/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/qrunner

- -- cut --



best regards

Michael Kummer

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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 13 21:50:28 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:50:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to my machine ...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111131112220.5115-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>
Message-ID: <014501c16c84$d3baeb90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Sounds like you should just install from scratch, then add the folks to your
lists, and alias the old lists to the new lists (unless they have the exact
same names...)

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul L. Schumacher" <wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu>
To: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Cc: <joel at webbgroup.net>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address to
my machine ...


> I am have set everything up on this machine that I am sending this email
> from.  (linux2.winona.msus.edu)  My old machine is
> (linux.winona.msus.edu).  They have separate IP's in the same domain.  My
> old machine has my old lists (in Majordomo), which I have resetup as
> mailman lists on the new machine.  I want to switch over to the new
> machine transparently to the users.  I was going to pull the plug on the
> old machine, rename the new box and give it the old IP.
>
> I found out the webpages have bad links, and something is wrong with the
> aliases too, I think.
>
> hope this makes things clearer.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:
>
> > Unless I read the question wrong (quite possible...) he's getting a new
ip
> > address and a new domain name.  He is not changing any directory
structure.
> > He will definitely want to update the FQDN info as folks will be
clicking on
> > links which must stay local and not go off to his old domain/ip.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joel Webb" <joel at webbgroup.net>
> > To: <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu>;
> > <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 7:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I have to rename and give a new IP address
to
> > my machine ...
> >
> >
> > > Why dont you put aliases into your http.conf file instead. If you have
to
> > just remap
> > > some webpages, this would be an easier task.
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes (jonc at nc.rr.com) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >On Monday 12 November 2001 20:19, Paul L. Schumacher wrote:
> > > >> I am running mailman with postfix.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have to rename my mailman machine and give it a new ip address,
> > > >> forturnately a fixed ip like the old one.   I have about 100
working
> > > >> lists with their attendant web pages.
> > > >>
> > > >> What do I have to do about changing names for these web pages, and
> > > >> anything else, etc?
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks in advance,
> > > >>
> > > >> Paul L. Schumacher
> > > >> Winona State University
> > > >> Computer Science Department
> > > >
> > > >Wow, that's an interesting problem...  You have to change the name of
the
> > > >box too?
> > > >
> > > >Of course you will have to modify Postfix so that it operates using
the
> > new
> > > >name and knows that that is local.  You'll also have to modify Apache
to
> > > >let it know the new name to accept as local.
> > > >
> > > >For Mailman, you will definately need to modify the two bottom
entries on
> > > >the General Options page for the web admin.
> > > >"Host name this list prefers"
> > > >"Base URL for Mailman web interface."
> > > >These should reflect the new web and email address base.  Then you
might
> > > >have to move to the Privacy Options page and add the new address as
an
> > > >address to
> > > >"Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to
> > > >or cc destination names for this list"
> > > >
> > > >As far as Mailman is concerned, that should get you up and running
again
> > > >after the renaming.
> > > >
> > > >Good Luck!  Let us know how it turns out.  It would make a good FAQ
> > item...
> > > >
> > > >Jon Carnes
> > > >
> > > >------------------------------------------------------
> > > >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Respectfully,
> > >
> > > Joel Webb
> > > WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
> > > www.webbgroup.net
> > > 336.841.7241
> >
>
> --
> Paul L. Schumacher
> Winona State University
> Computer Science Department
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 13 22:11:45 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:11:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't find /etc/smrsh
Message-ID: <20011113221145.A5744@testsystem.server0.de>

Hello,
In README-SENDMAIL there stands that I have to make a symlink in /etc/smrsh,
but there is no directory /etc/smrsh. I use Debian GNU/Linux. Which directory
is equal to /etc/smrsh, or in which directory do I have to make the symlink?

Thanks
  Jonas

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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 13 22:37:46 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:37:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!!
Message-ID: <20011113223746.A5922@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
I've set up mailman right, and I've set up a mailing list. Then I received
the message that I've set up the mailinglist. But if I try to go to
http://server/mailman/admin/mailinglist or mailman/listinfo/mailinglist,
My browser says:
----------------------
Mailman CGI error!!!

The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set \
by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly.\
 Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the \
--with-cgi-gid configure option. This entry is beeing stored in your syslog:

Failture to exec script. WANTED gid 31, GOT gid -1.  (Reconfigure to take -1?)
----------------------

What does this mean? I use Apache as webserver.
So, do I have to reconfigure --with-cgi-gid 31? What ist gid -1? Is this
possible?

Bye
  Jonas

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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 13 22:38:41 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:38:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I can't find /etc/smrsh
In-Reply-To: <20011113221145.A5744@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011113221145.A5744@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20011113223840.B5922@testsystem.server0.de>

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 10:11:45PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Hello,
> In README-SENDMAIL there stands that I have to make a symlink in /etc/smrsh,
> but there is no directory /etc/smrsh. I use Debian GNU/Linux. Which directory
> is equal to /etc/smrsh, or in which directory do I have to make the symlink?

Ok, I've found the directory. It was /usr/lib/sm.bin/.

Bye
 Jonas

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From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Nov 13 22:56:05 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:56:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying to get archives working
Message-ID: <200111132156.fADLu6r04573@mail.webbgroup.net>

Hello all,

I have gotten mailman working but I have one problem. When people click on the
archives it gives a file not found. I know the link works from apache from testing
the link.

I looked at the directory and it has a public and private folder. Inside the public
folder it has two files samplelist and samplelist.mbox. Both of which are symbolic
links to the private folder. In the private folder I have a file called
samplelist.mbox but no samplelist file. After checking the samplelist.mbox I noticed
that that was all the emails.

The question is how do I change the mailman to look at the samplelist.mbox for the
archives instead of samplelist. Or does this get created automatically through one
of the cronned activites???
-- 
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241



From david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com  Tue Nov 13 23:33:53 2001
From: david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com (David Moruzzi)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:33:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
Message-ID: <D32FD03F4910D511AF3F00508BA54CCE025F08D4@sfomail.babcockbrown.com>

I have been working to get Mailman and Exim going on a Debian box. Mailman
passes the check_perms test. I am also able to create a newlist. When I go
to the .../mailman/admin URL and click on any of the lists I created I get:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

This is the error log for Mailman: (the qrunner and smtp logs do not report
any error)

Nov 13 19:26:54 2001 admin(5625):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(5625): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
admin(5625): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(5625): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(5625):   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 98, in run_main
admin(5625):     main()
admin(5625):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 87, in
main
admin(5625):     Auth.loginpage(mlist, 'admin', e.message)
admin(5625):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 46, in
loginpage
admin(5625):     {'listname': mlist.real_name,
admin(5625):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 496, in
maketext
admin(5625):     fp = open(file)
admin(5625): IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt'


Any thoughts on how to fix this issue.

Thanx

David




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From gary at csd.uwo.ca  Thu Nov  8 15:47:29 2001
From: gary at csd.uwo.ca (Gary Molenkamp)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:47:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems getting wrapper to work with sendmail
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111080942340.9409-100000@brown.csd.uwo.ca>

I've followed the instructions for setting up Mailman v 2.0.6

userid: mailman
./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=apache
mail handler: sendmail v8.11
system: Redhat Linux 7.1 for Alpha

Ran the test mailing list steps, but when sending a mail to
test at sharcnet.ca I get the following response:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 User unknown)
    (expanded from: <test at sharcnet.ca>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
550 5.1.1 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... User unknown

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; sharcnet.ca
Received-From-MTA: DNS; chaplin.csd.uwo.ca
Arrival-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:40:15 -0500

Final-Recipient: RFC822; test at sharcnet.ca
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 550 5.1.1 User unknown
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:40:15 -0500

Any ideas?  The alias is obviously there, but it seems like it's not
running or finding the wrapper.

 "If only you could see what I have seen with your eyes"
					-Roy Batty





From marineengineupdate at marinedieseldirect.com  Thu Nov  8 16:35:44 2001
From: marineengineupdate at marinedieseldirect.com (Torresen Marine Diesel Direct)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:35:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Reaching Just One List
In-Reply-To: <20010714193201.A31163@impressive.net>
References: <B774B046.B21%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
 <20010713164359.C19524@impressive.net>
 <B774B046.B21%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011108102537.06250ca0@www.yanmardirect.com>

Greetings Folks,

I currently run eight lists on with Mailman.

Starting a couple of hours ago I could no longer get in to manage ONE of 
the lists.  When I say get in, I mean that I can not access the Web 
interface for that particular list. The server simply churns and churns and 
churns but nothing ever comes up on the screen.

When I run list_lists on the command line all eight lists are shown.
I can also run other commands related to the list from the command line.  I 
just can not view the admin interface in my browser on this ONE list.  I 
have tried it on multiple machines too.

I can get to all five of the other lists.  I have rebooted my server and I 
am not sure what else to try.


Any ideas?




From web at reportica.com  Thu Nov  8 17:06:56 2001
From: web at reportica.com (Sheryl Coe)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:06:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly reminder to users ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111080714590.17859-100000@linux2.winona.msu
 s.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108110619.02608010@reportica.net>


Paul,

On the 'General Options' (main) configuration page, you can de-select this 
option:

>Send monthly password reminders or no? Overrides the previous option. Yes/No


HTH,

Sheryl Coe



At 08:16 AM 11/08/2001, Paul L. Schumacher wrote:
>How can I turn off the monthly reminder to my subscribers?
>
>thanks
>
>Paul Schumacher
>Winona State University
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From web at reportica.com  Thu Nov  8 17:54:37 2001
From: web at reportica.com (Sheryl Coe)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 11:54:37 -0500
Subject: Ask schlad3@ WAS: [Mailman-Users] Stop monthly password
  reminders?
In-Reply-To: <20011105111908.A8606@corona.cs.utk.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011108114829.00a701a0@reportica.net>


To stop unsubscribers --

How about this script from another member of this list, if you use his 
script, which adds a password on the subscribe and then _don't_ allow users 
access to config, you have an unsubscribe-able list. Sounds like a 'bad 
thing' to me, but... schlad3, do you think we could have a snippet from 
your subscribe/unsubscribe script? You don't embed the password in the 
page, do you?

Sounds like these scripts would be a nice thing for me for another reason, 
my list members are already in password protected area, I hate to create a 
second set of passwords.

Sheryl Coe
(see below)

>From: "Christopher Johnson" <schlade3 at home.com>
>To: "'Kip DeGraaf'" <Kip at aadl.org>,
>         <mailman-users at python.org>
>Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Possible to allow web-unsubscribe without a 
>password?
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
>Importance: Normal
>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 (101270)
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>         <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 23:12:11 -0700
>
>I was able to get around this by setting the same password for each
>addition to the list when they sign up, using a script, and then using
>another cgi script to send the unsubscribe emails with that same
>password.
>
>Its transparent, the user never knows the difference.
>
>===
>Christopher Johnson
>schlade3 at home.com



At 11:19 AM 11/05/2001, Josh Lothian wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Quick question:  I've looked through most of the options available
>to a list admin, and I can't find one to disable the monthly password
>reminders.  I know this sounds like a bad idea, but we have a secretary
>who maintains quite a few mailing lists for out department, and we'd like
>to switch her over to mailman.  However, we probably don't want students
>to be able to unsubscribe themselves from certain of our announcement-type
>mailing lists.  Any ideas?  Am I missing something simple?
>
>Thanks much,
>
>Josh Lothian
>System Administrator
>University of Tennessee, Department of Computer Science
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From fcohen at pushtotest.com  Thu Nov  8 18:56:17 2001
From: fcohen at pushtotest.com (Frank Cohen (p2t earthlink))
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 09:56:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding a search feature to archives
Message-ID: <000801c1687e$b8bce640$6401a8c0@homer>

I found Mailman on Freshmeat and it looks great. I am renovating the PushToTest.com site (home of the Load open-source project) and nead a mail list manager. I'd like to have a couple of features that I didn't specifically see in the Mailman documentation:

1) Search. While the archive feature looks great, I would also like to add a search function. I'm thinking of a Search form wheree users type in keywords and a search engine scans an index built on the archive. What are folks using to do this with Mailman?

2) Subscription from a db application. Is there an API to mailman where I could programatically add a user to a list? My Web site has a registration page that asks 10 questions of new users. I'd like to offer to automatically subscribe a new user to a list. What are folks doing to make this happen? By the way, the Web site uses Zope.

Thanks, in advance for your answer.

-Frank


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From mailman at puzzlesol.com  Thu Nov  8 22:29:46 2001
From: mailman at puzzlesol.com (mailman)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:29:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ and help
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108153728.00b39b90@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hi,

Is there a real FAQ somewhere  (not the one on the official site), it's almost useless?

Also, how one would get rid of the long list of url (List-Help etc.) ans addresses sent with all posts (you know :

Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Gzipping archives
To: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM, sdinn at spine.cx
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-MD5: pHQMrcufY6hB9+tZhLpnaw==
X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5_41 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc 
Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
Errors-To: mailman-users-admin at python.org
X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 (101270)
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 12:37:56 -0800 (PST)

?

Regards,




From trailersfortheroad at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  8 22:51:16 2001
From: trailersfortheroad at hotmail.com (Andrew Cochran)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 16:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announce-only list
Message-ID: <F79NDhwh7S88yNHJOll000207d8@hotmail.com>

Is it possible to set up a Mailman list as an Announce-Only list, where the 
list administrator is the only one who can post messages to the list, and 
list members only have to enter their email address in a form to join (no 
confirmations, no passwords, no options)?? I want to set up a list to send 
news to fans of a band.? I don't want them to have to set up passwords and 
options.? I don't want subscribers to be able to post messages.? I just want 
them to enter their email address in a form to subscribe or unsubscribe.? If 
this is not possible with Mailman lists, then could you suggest a way to set 
this up.? Thanks.
-Andy

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From vic at is.lv  Fri Nov  9 01:28:06 2001
From: vic at is.lv (Victor Meirans)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 02:28:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Could be lame question...
Message-ID: <3BEB2316.2040304@is.lv>

Hello,

Sorry, I'm new to mailman, so this question might be lame...
I have set up mailman on my site with one public list using the 
defaults, works fine...
The problem is: I want to set up private list, which means, users can 
not subscribe to this list, only administrator (me) can subscribe them 
by request; non-subscribed users can not send messages to the list. is 
that possible? What should I do? Please give me some clue or point me 
out to some resource.

Thanks in advance.

P.S. Please reply directly to vic at is.lv, I'm not on this list.

--
ViC





From craigsc at zdata.co.za  Fri Nov  9 14:52:14 2001
From: craigsc at zdata.co.za (Craigsc)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:52:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <NFBBIMBCKKAEBNNNDCDHCEAACNAA.craigsc@zdata.co.za>

Hi fellas

Just wanted to say thank-you all for writing mailman. 
We installed it today and were very impressed with it. 
Really is a fantastic job, well done and very professional
too :)

>From a very impress sysadmin

Kind regards
Craig Schneider
Z Data Solutions



From sekhary at alphasoftservices.com  Sat Nov 10 00:05:47 2001
From: sekhary at alphasoftservices.com (Yelamarthi Somashekar)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:05:47 -0800 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I am not able create newlist
Message-ID: <CEE992247F21D511942900D0B7B0D65C4372A4@alphamail.alphasoftservices.com>

Hi all,

Already we have 15 lists, now I am trying to create one more group, it is
not creating. When I going to run 'newlist' it is asking  listname then it
is asking mailman owners email-id and initial password then I entered both.
After entering all its hanging, if I pressed ' ^c ' it gives these error
messages.
^CTraceback (most recent call last):
  File "./newlist", line 220, in ?
    main()
  File "./newlist", line 169, in main
    mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 786, in Create
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 286, in lock
    self.__sleep()
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 424, in __sleep
    time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt

So please send me some solution to create the newlist.
Thanks
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From scott-brown at home.com  Sat Nov 10 19:33:20 2001
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:33:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing subscription addresses
Message-ID: <002c01c16a16$2d0aecc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Feel free to tell me that I'm just too stupid to see it, but I cant see (on
MM 2.0.6) where to change a subscription address....

Is the only way to do this to unsub/resub??





From marc_news at valinux.com  Sun Nov 11 06:43:19 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 21:43:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation email loop
In-Reply-To: <01110623191504.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>; from jonc@nc.rr.com on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:19:15PM -0500
References: <1DDECF51269BD511A49200B0D049605906872F@goddard.vc3.com> <20011105074748.A4783@magic.merlins.org> <01110623191504.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20011110214319.C29655@moremagic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:19:15PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> On Monday 05 November 2001 10:47, Marc MERLIN wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:22:53PM -0500, Clark Cooper wrote:
> > > I had a situation where a user on one of my lists had the vacation
> > > utility turned on and a posting to the list resulted in a looped email
> > > because the vacation email response was then posted and on and on.  The
> > > reply-to posts option has been set to "the list" and I would like to
> > > keep this setting.  Is
> >
> > Outside of removing the reply to, which will catch many but not all of
> > those problems, my usual answer is to blackhole the server the Emails
> > came from, and send the following to the postmaster:
> > http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/autoresponders.txt
> >
> > Broken autoresponders should not be tolerated.
> 
> Don't forget the nomail option.  As admin, you can edit the membership 
> options of the offender and turn off their mail.

No, that isn't a solution.
If their mail server/autoresponders are broken, I don't want to see any more
mail from them until they fix it (and they usually, even if you block them).

They might never fix their system, but they're not my problem anymore.

Of course, you do  want to try and educate them (i.e. give  them a chance to
fix it), but not while their mail is creating loops.

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Sun Nov 11 08:16:39 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:16:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
In-Reply-To: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCF5@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>; from cpowell@asciences.com on Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:26:04PM -0500
References: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B9155BCF5@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
Message-ID: <20011110231639.G29655@moremagic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:26:04PM -0500, Camille K. Powell wrote:
> Thanks, but I hope there's a better way.  I just switched from EZMLM to
> Mailmain and I never had this problem.  The auto-replies used to go to the
> person that posted the message, not to the list.

Actually both are wrong, auto-replies are supposed to go to the envelope
sender, which is the list admin address.

Ezmlm is much smarter than mailman for bounce processing since it uses VERP
and knows exactly which user bounced.

That said, unless  you have a list  that does reply to  munging (forcing the
reply-to to  the list),  auto responses  should never  ever reach  the list,
whether you're using ezmlm or mailman
If an auto-responder  is broken to the point that  it answers receipients in
the To/Cc fields, you can block the sender, but neither mailman or ezmlm can
do anything about it.

If you are using reply-to munging, that may be another reason to consider
not doing it (but the sending mail server is still at fault)

Marc
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From rons at ronsmits.com  Sun Nov 11 20:18:02 2001
From: rons at ronsmits.com (Ron Smits)
Date: 11 Nov 2001 20:18:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ldap?
Message-ID: <1005506282.586.2.camel@eagle>

People,

Just went thru the list.org site after havinf decided to upgrage my
mailman 1.1 after it has been in flawless service since august 99. It
really is a great product. 

Since I started using mailman, we have added several lists and are now
running 10 lists. I would like to have all the info for mailman in an
ldap database. I see it is slated for 3.0 but has nobody written a patch
for it?

Ron






From frost at packetst0rm.net  Mon Nov 12 20:57:11 2001
From: frost at packetst0rm.net (Michael Kummer)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:57:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman starts hundrets of crond processes
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.40.0111122056540.184-100000@warp4>

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hi!

i've experienced the following problem:

mailman starts hundrets of cronds and eats up all system memory until the
system completely hangs.

any suggestion?

i'm using latest mailman
Linux freedom 2.4.9 #1 Sat Aug 18 14:25:14 CEST 2001 i686 unknown
slackware 8

- -rw-------    1 root     root         1083 Nov 12 20:34 mailman

- -- cut --

# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
#0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S
/export/home1/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /export/home1/mailman/cron/qrunner

- -- cut --

please CC directly to me because i'm not subscribed to the list


best regards

Michael Kummer

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From ivan at escert.upc.es  Tue Nov 13 15:37:54 2001
From: ivan at escert.upc.es (Ivan P.Ostrowicz)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:37:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: bouncing - disabled
Message-ID: <01111315375400.31632@panellet.upc.es>

Hi everybody,

I'm running Mailman with postfix on a RedHat 7.1, I'm getting an error for 2 
adress e-mail's that are in a diferent server domain. I don't know if this is 
an error of my Mailman or Postfix or an error of the remote e-mail server, 
any idea?

Part of the messenge that Mailman send me:

>This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
> 
>    List:       -- (private list)
>    Member:     -- (private user)
>    Action:     Subscription disabled.
>    Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.

Thanks a lot.

Ivan P. Ostrowicz
esCERT-UPC



From david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com  Tue Nov 13 23:26:00 2001
From: david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com (David Moruzzi)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:26:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
Message-ID: <D32FD03F4910D511AF3F00508BA54CCE025F08D2@sfomail.babcockbrown.com>

I have been working to get Mailman and Exim going on a Debian box. Mailman
passes the check_perms test. I am also able to create a newlist. When I go
to the .../mailman/admin URL and click on any of the lists I created I get:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

This is the error log for Mailman: (the qrunner and smtp logs do not report
any error)

Nov 13 19:26:54 2001 admin(5625):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(5625): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
admin(5625): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(5625): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(5625):   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 98, in run_main
admin(5625):     main()
admin(5625):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 87, in
main
admin(5625):     Auth.loginpage(mlist, 'admin', e.message)
admin(5625):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 46, in
loginpage
admin(5625):     {'listname': mlist.real_name,
admin(5625):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 496, in
maketext
admin(5625):     fp = open(file)
admin(5625): IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt'


Any thoughts on how to fix this issue.

Thanx

David




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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Tue Nov 13 23:36:17 2001
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configure problem
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C45@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Hi,

I successfully installed mailman.  The webpage and the admin page showed up
when I login.  I ran into some problems.  Everything was at default setting.
1. When I subscribe to the list, I didn't receive any confirmation message.
2. When I add new subscribers to the list, it didn't send welcome message.
3. After I added myself to the list, I sent and email to the list.  I didn't
receive anything back.

Below is the log from /var/log/maillog:
Nov 13 17:28:44 clubkhmer sendmail[3405]: fADMShc03404:
to=<LARRY at CLUBKHMER.COM>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local,
pri=60435, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Nov 13 17:28:49 clubkhmer sendmail[3405]: fADMShc03404:
to=larry at indexstock.com, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=esmtp,
pri=60435, relay=mail.indexstock.com. [209.130.207.33], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
(OK)

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Larry



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Nov 14 01:14:47 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems getting wrapper to work with sendmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111080942340.9409-100000@brown.csd.uwo.ca>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111080942340.9409-100000@brown.csd.uwo.ca>
Message-ID: <20011113191447.B20689@mems-exchange.org>

On 08 November 2001, Gary Molenkamp said:
> 
> I've followed the instructions for setting up Mailman v 2.0.6
> 
> userid: mailman
> ./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=apache
> mail handler: sendmail v8.11
> system: Redhat Linux 7.1 for Alpha

Don't you have to run newaliases after updating /etc/aliases with
sendmail?

        Greg
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From MStanchin at CISnet.com  Wed Nov 14 01:24:23 2001
From: MStanchin at CISnet.com (Mark)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:24:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to install mailmain on raq4i
Message-ID: <028301c16ca2$b648a340$0100a8c0@cisnet.com>

Hello, Is their any info on installing mailman on a raq4i?

Mark




From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 14 01:30:08 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
References: <D32FD03F4910D511AF3F00508BA54CCE025F08D2@sfomail.babcockbrown.com>
Message-ID: <3BF1BB0F.FCAE78C1@pcraft.com>

David Moruzzi wrote:

> admin(5625): IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/var/lib/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt'

    This is the actual error.  It's not finding the templates.  How, or where
did you install MM?

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 14 01:32:20 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:32:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Configure problem
References: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C45@index-exchange.indexstock.com>
Message-ID: <3BF1BB90.7C71AB4C@pcraft.com>

Larry Chuon wrote:

> I successfully installed mailman.

    Did you also install the crontab, like the INSTALL file tells you to do?
You can verify this by logging in as (or su-ing to) the MM user, and typing in
'crontab -l' - you should get a listing of crontabs for that user that triggers
MM's qrunner every few minutes.

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 14 01:48:16 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:48:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: FAQ and help
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011108153728.00b39b90@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <3BF1BF4F.EB84DA49@pcraft.com>

mailman wrote:

> Is there a real FAQ somewhere  (not the one on the official site), it's almost useless?

    I believe there are several user written FAQs floating around the web.  One of those is
http://web.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/index.html


> Also, how one would get rid of the long list of url (List-Help etc.) ans addresses sent with all posts (you know :

    You can't, unless you want to hack the source.  Those headers are RFC standard headers (and the topic of removing
them has come up before on this list, I think.  You may want to scan the archives for answers to this question)

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 14 01:50:09 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:50:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem Reaching Just One List
References: <B774B046.B21%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
	 <20010713164359.C19524@impressive.net>
	 <B774B046.B21%chuqui@plaidworks.com> <5.0.2.1.2.20011108102537.06250ca0@www.yanmardirect.com>
Message-ID: <3BF1BFBF.263EDE2E@pcraft.com>

Torresen Marine Diesel Direct wrote:

> Starting a couple of hours ago I could no longer get in to manage ONE of
> the lists.  When I say get in, I mean that I can not access the Web
> interface for that particular list. The server simply churns and churns and
> churns but nothing ever comes up on the screen.

    That list has a stale lock file.  Look in the /locks directory and clear
out whatever's no longer needed.

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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Wed Nov 14 01:51:09 2001
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:51:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Configure problem
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C51@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Yes, I also install the crontab.

Here is some more errors.  Can someone please tell me what them mean and how
to correct the problem?
Thank you.

[root at www logs]# more post
Nov 13 20:24:48 2001 (17298) post to test from mailman-owner at clubkhmer.com,
size=1308, 1 failures
Nov 13 20:31:28 2001 (17337) post to news from mailman-owner at clubkhmer.com,
size=1308, 1 failures

[root at www logs]# more smtp
Nov 13 20:24:48 2001 (17298) All recipients refused: host not found
Nov 13 20:24:48 2001 (17298) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.036 seconds
Nov 13 20:31:28 2001 (17337) All recipients refused: host not found
Nov 13 20:31:28 2001 (17337) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.046 seconds
[
[root at www logs]# more smtp-failure
Nov 13 20:24:48 2001 (17298) -1 larry at clubkhmer.com (ignore)
Nov 13 20:31:28 2001 (17337) -1 larry at clubkhmer.com (ignore)
[root at www logs]#


-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 7:32 PM
To: Larry Chuon
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: Configure problem


Larry Chuon wrote:

> I successfully installed mailman.

    Did you also install the crontab, like the INSTALL file tells you to do?
You can verify this by logging in as (or su-ing to) the MM user, and typing
in
'crontab -l' - you should get a listing of crontabs for that user that
triggers
MM's qrunner every few minutes.

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From david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com  Wed Nov 14 01:52:22 2001
From: david.moruzzi at babcockbrown.com (David Moruzzi)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:52:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
Message-ID: <D32FD03F4910D511AF3F00508BA54CCE025F08D9@sfomail.babcockbrown.com>

I use the apt-get install---command in Debian to install the mailman.

That is the correct path /var/lib/mailman/templates

These is no admlogin.txt----Is Mailman meant to create this file or am I?


-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley M. Kirchner [mailto:ashley at pcraft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 4:30 PM
To: David Moruzzi
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6


David Moruzzi wrote:

> admin(5625): IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> '/var/lib/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt'

    This is the actual error.  It's not finding the templates.  How, or
where
did you install MM?

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 14 02:01:25 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:01:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bug in Mailman version 2.0.6
References: <D32FD03F4910D511AF3F00508BA54CCE025F08D9@sfomail.babcockbrown.com>
Message-ID: <3BF1C264.688B5887@pcraft.com>

David Moruzzi wrote:

> I use the apt-get install---command in Debian to install the mailman.
>
> That is the correct path /var/lib/mailman/templates
>
> These is no admlogin.txt----Is Mailman meant to create this file or am I?

    Mailman installs several files in the templates directory, including
admlogin.txt...  Perhaps your installation isn't complete, I don't know.  I
always install from source, as opposed to pre-packaged distributions.

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 14 02:11:21 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:11:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Configure problem
References: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C51@index-exchange.indexstock.com>
Message-ID: <3BF1C4B9.D51EE283@pcraft.com>

Larry Chuon wrote:

> [root at www logs]# more smtp
> Nov 13 20:24:48 2001 (17298) All recipients refused: host not found
> Nov 13 20:24:48 2001 (17298) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.036 seconds
> Nov 13 20:31:28 2001 (17337) All recipients refused: host not found
> Nov 13 20:31:28 2001 (17337) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.046 seconds

    Somehow MM isn't resolving that host.  Unfortunately, this is an error that
has been posted about last month as well and I can't find a clear answer to what
may be the problem.  In one post, the host didn't exist, but in your case, the
host does exist, so does your MTA.  Unless your machine itself doesn't know
about its MTA, or it isn't relaying for it, but that kind of error would be in
the system logs.

    Check your /var/log/messages, and maillog (if you have one) - or whichever
logging facility you're using for email.

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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Nov 14 04:10:31 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:10:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing subscription addresses
In-Reply-To: <002c01c16a16$2d0aecc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
References: <002c01c16a16$2d0aecc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <20011113221030.B21623@mems-exchange.org>

On 10 November 2001, Scott Brown said:
> Feel free to tell me that I'm just too stupid to see it, but I cant see (on
> MM 2.0.6) where to change a subscription address....
> 
> Is the only way to do this to unsub/resub??

Unfortunately, yes.  Mailman uses the subscriber address as a database
key of sorts, so you can't change it.  (Lame excuse, I know.)

        Greg



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Wed Nov 14 10:44:09 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:44:09 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ldap?
In-Reply-To: <1005506282.586.2.camel@eagle>
References: <1005506282.586.2.camel@eagle>
Message-ID: <0111140944090G.28082@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

It shall be possible to customized the database lookups in Mailman 2.1.
But I think this will work only for the member db. 
MM 2.1 is now available in an alpha release:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103&release_id=60758

- oliver
 


> People,
>
> Just went thru the list.org site after havinf decided to upgrage my
> mailman 1.1 after it has been in flawless service since august 99. It
> really is a great product.
>
> Since I started using mailman, we have added several lists and are now
> running 10 lists. I would like to have all the info for mailman in an
> ldap database. I see it is slated for 3.0 but has nobody written a patch
> for it?
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch  Wed Nov 14 11:22:09 2001
From: alain.chappuis at medecine.unige.ch (Alain Chappuis)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:22:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after update Mailman 2.0.7 (Urgent)
Message-ID: <3BF245D1.D9299A31@medecine.unige.ch>

Hello,
I have a problem in the achives after the update to Mailman 2.0.6
for 2.0.7.

Problem: The archives are not updated any more. The old link remained
with /mailman-2.0.6/ whereas my new version is in the new path: /mailman/
I have to make an error; I simply recopied all the old repertory
of the archives + the lists directory, in the new repertory.
Then I think it's reside my old path in the DB base or others files.

Now I do not know if it is necessary to use "move_lis" or "withlist" ?
to correct my problem?

Is there somebody who would have an example? or a consulting to be 
given me?

My problem is very urgent!

Thanks in advance.
Alain.
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From gfieldus at csu.edu.au  Wed Nov 14 11:50:49 2001
From: gfieldus at csu.edu.au (Fieldus, Glenn)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:50:49 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help with check_perms under RedHat 7.2
Message-ID: <211F78EFD1D870409CC3E4158F4881DA014CD160@XCWW01.CSUMain.csu.edu.au>

Greetings,

Not being fluent in Python, I've hit a snag with check_perms under a vanilla
RedHat 7.2 installation.
I've been following the docs under /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.0.6;
README.REDHAT, and now INSTALL.

I skipped the configure and build phases, as I've noticed that Mailman comes
pre-installed (under /var/mailman). While ruuning
/var/mailman/bin/check_perms (as root), I get the following error:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./check_perms", line 50, in ?
    MAILMAN_GRPNAME = grp.getgrgid(MAILMAN_GID)[0]
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

I'm running the script as root as all the files are owned by root.
There is an existing mailman account and group, and I've tried 'chown -R
mailman:mailman /var/mailman' but still get the error when I run the script
as mailman.
'python -V' shows Python 1.5.2, the correct version mentioned in the install
docs.

Any suggestions folks? I'm stuck.

cheers,
glenn



From rip at pinetec.co.za  Wed Nov 14 13:15:12 2001
From: rip at pinetec.co.za (R.I.Pienaar)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:15:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <034101c16d06$02fc3900$1503a8c0@azrael>

hello,

I am using mailman 2.0.5 on a FreeBSD 4.3 machine with Python 1.5.2 (#2, Jul
10 2001, 14:43:34)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on freebsd4 installed
from the port.  The MTA is exim 3.22.

Some of my lists, sometimes, send out duplicate emails, I have tracked,
using the mail headers, it down to the machine to the machine that the list
server runs on (using message id's of two mails) and I am fairly confident
its not exim (it might be though, but its really a very standard 3.22
install).

Can anyone give me any hints on what might cause this, I notice my python is
pretty old, it might help if I upgrade that, but I am not in the habit of
upgrading things just cos a new one is available and was wondering if this
is some known issue.

All local changes has been done in the mm_cfg.py file, the ones I think are
relevant are to do with archiving, I use a PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
INTERNAL setting to send mail to a wrapper script that calls mhonarc, the
rest is as it were out of the box, which means my DELIVER_MODULE is
SMTPDirect, there are some small changes in the mm_cfg file, related to
images, hostname, url and archive url, but i doubt these come into play now.

not sure what else I can give to help you.

thanks.


---
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From mrx at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov 14 14:38:41 2001
From: mrx at us.ibm.com (Gary Gaydos)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:38:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem Reaching Just One List
Message-ID: <3BF273E1.464F4673@us.ibm.com>

| Greetings Folks,
|
| I currently run eight lists on with Mailman.
|
| Starting a couple of hours ago I could no longer get in to manage
ONE of 
| the lists.  When I say get in, I mean that I can not access the Web 
| interface for that particular list. The server simply churns and
churns and 
| churns but nothing ever comes up on the screen.

<snip>
|
| Any ideas?

Sounds like you have a stale lock for that list.

>From the mailman faq:
Q. Why do my web pages hang? 
A. CERN Web servers might leave Python processes running, and in some
cases might hang the CGI
completely. In that case, switch to Apache. 

It is also possible that you have stale locks. Mailman tries to be
very careful about the lock files it creates to
ensure the integrity of its databases, but sometimes system faults can
cause stale locks to persist. Look in
$prefix/locks for any stale list locks and remove them (you can
determine if they're stale by getting the pid
from the file contents and using ps to see if those processes are
still running or not). 


I've seen stale locks occur for two reasons that I
can identify.

1) corrupt cookies in users browser, clear them
2) I believe versions of mailman prior to 2.0.6 had
a stale lock problem when a list had a large number 
of subscribers and a user would stop the browser from
loading before the webpage completely downloaded.
I haven't seen this problem with mailman 2.0.6 or 2.0.7

Hope this helps,
Gary

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IBM Linux Technology Center



From fuzzy at outgun.com  Wed Nov 14 14:50:37 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 21:50:37 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Tri-Miracle" $22 No 72hr. Time Limits!!!
Message-ID: <20011114135038.1375.qmail@outgun.com>

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From joel at webbgroup.net  Wed Nov 14 15:19:58 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:19:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pros Only: Archive problem with 2.0.7
Message-ID: <200111141419.fAEEJx907682@mail.webbgroup.net>

I am trying to get the archive html page to work, however the reason it doesn't work
is because it is looking for the raw html file.

Inside the Defaults it is set at:
Archive_to_Mbox=2 

which is archiving both Mbox and html archiving. Is this a bug, or do I not have
something setup correctly?
-- 
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241



From tkeller at bbn.com  Wed Nov 14 16:00:02 2001
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114095734.032cefc0@rospo1.bbn.com>

I just installed RH 7.2 and had the installation set up mailman also.  I 
was able to get all my lists
created, all my archives from my old machine transfered and viewable.  I 
have made the changes
to the /etc/aliases file.  The MTA I am using is sendmail.

The problem I am having is none of my test messages are showing up.  Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Tom

Thomas Keller - SysAdmin
BBN Technologies (Columbia)
(410)312-6937 Office
(877)459-4087 Beeper
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From tkeller at bbn.com  Wed Nov 14 16:21:57 2001
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:21:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114095734.032cefc0@rospo1.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114101926.03279088@rospo1.bbn.com>

I forgot to mention that all the subscription emails did go out to the 
individuals correctly.  I did
change the name and ip address of the machine after and made the correct 
changes in the
configurations of each mailing list.  I have done this before without 
problems.  The version is
2.0.6. I also made a new list after the switch and also received the 
subscription message.

Thanks,
Tom

At 10:00 AM 11/14/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>I just installed RH 7.2 and had the installation set up mailman also.  I 
>was able to get all my lists
>created, all my archives from my old machine transfered and viewable.  I 
>have made the changes
>to the /etc/aliases file.  The MTA I am using is sendmail.
>
>The problem I am having is none of my test messages are showing up.  Any 
>ideas?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Tom
>
>Thomas Keller - SysAdmin
>BBN Technologies (Columbia)
>(410)312-6937 Office
>(877)459-4087 Beeper
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From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Wed Nov 14 18:27:34 2001
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:27:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] procmail filtering of passwd reminders
In-Reply-To: <20011110165712.A19209@us.ibm.com>; from lnxgeek@us.ibm.com on Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:57:12PM -0500
References: <20011110165712.A19209@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20011114122734.A7739@us.ibm.com>

On Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:57:12PM -0500, Scott Russell wrote:
> Greets.
> 
> For mailman 2.x mailing lists, why do you all use in your procmail filters
> to prevent the Mailman passwd reminders from showing up in list archives or
> nntp mail gateways?
> 
> I want to gateway several Mailman lists to my innd server. Obviously it
> wouldn't be good to have the monthly passwd reminders that Mailman sends out
> to show up in the newsgroups. :) 

Here's what I came up with. I'm not sure it's sane as it's untested but it
might just work. If all three rules match the Mailman passwd reminder should
be dumped into the users mailman-passwords mailbox.

:0:
* ^X-Mailman-Version:.*
* ^From.*-owner\@
* ^Subject:.*mailing list memberships reminder$
mailman-passwds

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From tkeller at bbn.com  Wed Nov 14 17:33:58 2001
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:33:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail seems not to get to mailman
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114113047.03305db0@rospo1.bbn.com>

I have successfully been able to send email from the machine which I have 
mailman loaded on
and the mail goes to all the recipients in the mailing list.  I have yet to 
be successful in sending
an email from another machine to the mailing lists.  I ended up upgrading 
to 2.0.7 and that solved
the problems I had with 2.0.6.  I am running mailman on RH 7.2 and any help 
would be appreciated.

Tom



Thomas Keller - SysAdmin
BBN Technologies (Columbia)
(410)312-6937 Office
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From SUPPORT at HAMPTONU.EDU  Wed Nov 14 17:44:01 2001
From: SUPPORT at HAMPTONU.EDU (SUPPORT)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:44:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need some help
Message-ID: <EEBBE9560A8BD31185450090279A6CE30593AC07@washington.hamptonu.edu>

I have just setup Mailman running on a Linux bix. Red Hat Seawolf, and i am
unable to get the web interface to even come up in my browser. Can someone
send me a list of config's to check for. ie settings for path to URL,
directory permissions and the such. I followed the INSTALL file to the tee
but saw nowhere as to how to configure Apache to use whichever the mailman
directory is.



From jonc at haht.com  Wed Nov 14 19:48:49 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:48:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need some help
References: <EEBBE9560A8BD31185450090279A6CE30593AC07@washington.hamptonu.edu>
Message-ID: <00c701c16d3c$ff6db610$0b04010a@JCARNES>

----- Original Message -----
From: "SUPPORT" <SUPPORT at HAMPTONU.EDU>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:44 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I need some help


> I have just setup Mailman running on a Linux bix. Red Hat Seawolf, and i
am
> unable to get the web interface to even come up in my browser. Can someone
> send me a list of config's to check for. ie settings for path to URL,
> directory permissions and the such. I followed the INSTALL file to the tee
> but saw nowhere as to how to configure Apache to use whichever the mailman
> directory is.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

>From INSTALL, Step 4:
===
  - Configure your web server to give $prefix/cgi-bin permission to
    run CGI scripts.  You probably need to be root to do this.

   The line you should add might look something like the following
   (with the real absolute directory substituted for $prefix, of
   course):

       Exec          /mailman/*      $prefix/cgi-bin/*
   or:
       ScriptAlias   /mailman/       $prefix/cgi-bin/

 Consult your web server's documentation for details.

...snip...

   - Configure your web server to point to the Pipermail public
     mailing list archives:

     For example, in Apache:

        Alias /pipermail/ $varprefix/archives/public/

     where $varprefix is usually $prefix unless you've used the
     --with-var-prefix option to configure.

     Consult your web server's documentation for details.  Also be
     sure to configure your web server to follow symbolic links in
     this directory, otherwise public Pipermail archives won't be
     accessible.  For Apache users, consult the FollowSymLinks
     option.

     Now restart your web server.

===

If you did not follow these steps, then I'll bet you also missed a lot of
others that are even more important (like setting up your cron entries!).

The following lines are typical additions to the file /etc/httpd/httpd.conf
in Apache on Linux.  Please note that the lines assume that mailman is
installed to /home/mailman/.

===
Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

<Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
    Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
    AllowOverride None
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

# Added for use by Mailman scripts
ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

<Directory "/home/mailman/cgi-bin">
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

===

Jon Carnes




From jonc at haht.com  Wed Nov 14 19:51:25 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:51:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail seems not to get to mailman
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114113047.03305db0@rospo1.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <00d401c16d3d$5cbc9520$0b04010a@JCARNES>

In that case, you probably have an error message to share with us that would
help.  If not, check your log files for your MTA as well as those for
Mailman.

My initial guess is that your machine has very strict rules about relaying
mail.

Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Thomas Keller
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:33 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail seems not to get to mailman


  I have successfully been able to send email from the machine which I have
mailman loaded on
  and the mail goes to all the recipients in the mailing list.  I have yet
to be successful in sending
  an email from another machine to the mailing lists.  I ended up upgrading
to 2.0.7 and that solved
  the problems I had with 2.0.6.  I am running mailman on RH 7.2 and any
help would be appreciated.

  Tom



  Thomas Keller - SysAdmin
  BBN Technologies (Columbia)
  (410)312-6937 Office
  (877)459-4087 Beeper


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From tkeller at bbn.com  Wed Nov 14 20:27:17 2001
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:27:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail seems not to get to mailman
In-Reply-To: <00d401c16d3d$5cbc9520$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114113047.03305db0@rospo1.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114142343.03304650@rospo1.bbn.com>

Jon,
   I just figured it out.  I had to go into sendmail.cf and change
DaemonPortOptions=Port=snmp, Addr=0.0.0.0, Name=MTA.

By default this is set to Addr=127.0.0.1.

Tom

  At 01:51 PM 11/14/2001 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>In that case, you probably have an error message to share with us that 
>would help.  If not, check your log files for your MTA as well as those 
>for Mailman.
>
>My initial guess is that your machine has very strict rules about relaying 
>mail.
>
>Jon Carnes
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:tkeller at bbn.com>Thomas Keller
>To: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>mailman-users at python.org
>Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:33 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail seems not to get to mailman
>
>I have successfully been able to send email from the machine which I have 
>mailman loaded on
>and the mail goes to all the recipients in the mailing list.  I have yet 
>to be successful in sending
>an email from another machine to the mailing lists.  I ended up upgrading 
>to 2.0.7 and that solved
>the problems I had with 2.0.6.  I am running mailman on RH 7.2 and any 
>help would be appreciated.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>Thomas Keller - SysAdmin
>BBN Technologies (Columbia)
>(410)312-6937 Office
>(877)459-4087 Beeper
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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Wed Nov 14 20:43:50 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:43:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman CGI error!!!
In-Reply-To: <20011113223746.A5922@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011113223746.A5922@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20011114204350.B7622@testsystem.server0.de>

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 10:37:46PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Hey ho,
> I've set up mailman right, and I've set up a mailing list. Then I received
> the message that I've set up the mailinglist. But if I try to go to
> http://server/mailman/admin/mailinglist or mailman/listinfo/mailinglist,
> My browser says:
> [...]

Does anyone have an idea?

Bye
 Jonas

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From ram at gwtech.org  Wed Nov 14 20:51:18 2001
From: ram at gwtech.org (Ram Prasad)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:21:18 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db erro
Message-ID: <3BF2CB36.8020609@gwtech.org>

Hi !

I have installed Mailman 2.0.7. I am having problem when sending mail to 
any list. I get this error:
[Error 13] Permission Denied '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db

I would like to know how to correct this problem... all permissions have 
been set as required ....

Ram




From dennisb at tetaworx.de  Wed Nov 14 22:06:30 2001
From: dennisb at tetaworx.de (Dennis Breithaupt)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:06:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject-Prefix
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114220234.00a96ba8@mail.pelion12.de>

Hy all,

I'm using the option "Prefix for subject line of list postings" to add a 
prefix "[Listname]" to the subjects.

My problem is, everytime someone answers to a post, the skript adds another 
[Listname] to the subject, so it shows "[List] Re: [List] Topic".

Is there an option, to tell mailman, that it detects, if the prefix was 
already present in the subject, so that it then doesn't prepend the prefix 
again?

Thx,

Dennis Breithaupt




From kachel at muenster.de  Wed Nov 14 22:22:34 2001
From: kachel at muenster.de (Markus Kachel)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 22:22:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject-Prefix
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114220234.00a96ba8@mail.pelion12.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011114220234.00a96ba8@mail.pelion12.de>
Message-ID: <17021380723.20011114222234@muenster.de>

Hello Dennis,

On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, You wrote to subject: [Mailman-Users] Subject-Prefix

> My problem is, everytime someone answers to a post, the skript adds another
> [Listname] to the subject, so it shows "[List] Re: [List] Topic".

> Is there an option, to tell mailman, that it detects, if the prefix was 
> already present in the subject, so that it then doesn't prepend the prefix 
> again?

He is doing it. Some Mail Programs are broken and use some strange
MIME-Coding when replying, so that mailman dosn't detect the old
prefix. I have this problem with some users, that use some kind of
webmail for the mailing list. And some mailservers can do some broken
converting, too.

Bye
Markus

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Homepage: http://www.kachelonline.de




From ivan at escert.upc.es  Wed Nov 14 11:07:08 2001
From: ivan at escert.upc.es (Ivan P.Ostrowicz)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:07:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: bouncing - disabled
Message-ID: <01111411070800.01201@panellet.upc.es>

Hi everybody,

I'm running Mailman with postfix on a RedHat 7.1, I'm getting an error for 2 
adress e-mail's that are in a diferent server domain. I don't know if this is 
an error of my Mailman or Postfix or an error of the remote e-mail server, 
any idea?

Part of the messenge that Mailman send me:

>This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
> 
>    List:       -- (private list)
>    Member:     -- (private user)
>    Action:     Subscription disabled.
>    Reason:     Excessive or fatal bounces.


Thanks a lot.

Ivan P. Ostrowicz
esCERT-UPC



From rip at pinetec.co.za  Wed Nov 14 12:41:00 2001
From: rip at pinetec.co.za (R.I.Pienaar)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 13:41:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicates with 2.0.5
Message-ID: <02ec01c16d01$3bb35d50$1503a8c0@azrael>

hello,

I am using mailman 2.0.5 on a FreeBSD 4.3 machine with Python 1.5.2 (#2, Jul
10 2001, 14:43:34)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on freebsd4 installed
from the port.  The MTA is exim 3.22.

Some of my lists, sometimes, send out duplicate emails, I have tracked,
using the mail headers, it down to the machine to the machine that the list
server runs on (using message id's of two mails) and I am fairly confident
its not exim (it might be though, but its really a very standard 3.22
install).

Can anyone give me any hints on what might cause this, I notice my python is
pretty old, it might help if I upgrade that, but I am not in the habit of
upgrading things just cos a new one is available and was wondering if this
is some known issue.

All local changes has been done in the mm_cfg.py file, the ones I think are
relevant are to do with archiving, I use a PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and
INTERNAL setting to send mail to a wrapper script that calls mhonarc, the
rest is as it were out of the box, which means my DELIVER_MODULE is
SMTPDirect, there are some small changes in the mm_cfg file, related to
images, hostname, url and archive url, but i doubt these come into play now.

not sure what else I can give to help you.

thanks.


---
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          "Let us gather hallucinations from our private minds
              Let us witness the reincarnation of the Sun"





From LarryC at indexstock.com  Wed Nov 14 16:28:19 2001
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:28:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C67@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Hi everyone,

Yesterday, I posted a message stating that I had problem with configuring
mailman.  I finally resolved a pice of the puzzle.  Basically, it had to do
with my Sendmail configuration.  When I do a netstat, I show the following
now:
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:25              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN

Where as before, 0.0.0.0 was my IP address instead.  Now everything seems to
work, EXCEPT for one thing: I can't send anything to the list.  This problem
is two folds.

1. First, I subscribe to the list from the web. Then, I receive a
confirmation email.  When I reply, nothing happens.  My subscribe log shows
a pending.
2. I try to send a test email to the list.  Nothing happen either.  Then, I
did a little test.  I added myself to the list via admin tool.  After I I
receive a welcome message.  Follow that, I send another test email.  Nothing
happens again.

FYI, I ran newaliases after I added the list info in the aliases file.

Since I have a local account on the box, I am able to send and receive
email.  First thing in my mind was, it got to be Sendmail again.
Unfortunately, I  exhausted my rehaust.  Can someone help me please?

Larry





From webmaster at isu.edu  Wed Nov 14 16:28:38 2001
From: webmaster at isu.edu (Webmaster)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:28:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filter email address
Message-ID: <3BF28DA6.60990E23@isu.edu>

In mailman options is there a way to filter a email address from not
sending a message to the list or for authorized approval. I just want
the filters to look at the email address and automatic delete the
message or  filter it from being send to the list  or the moderator for
approval. I have this address filtered in the Privacy options under the
header filters for mailman 2.0.7, but I don't want it sent for approval.



reply to wheakory at isu.edu

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From david.johnson at hamptonu.edu  Wed Nov 14 22:26:44 2001
From: david.johnson at hamptonu.edu (Johnson David R)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:26:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache Configuration
Message-ID: <EEBBE9560A8BD31185450090279A6CE30593AC0F@washington.hamptonu.edu>

I am using the blasted Apache configuration GUI to edit my httpd.conf file,
I need explicit instructions on how to setup the web server. Now the message
I get is a 403 Forbidden error.
Using the Apache configuration GUI on a RedHat Seawolf (7.1) machine

i setup the default settings to point to 

Document Root 
/home/mailman/cgi-bin

Site Confg
defaults

SSL
defaults

Logging
defaults

Directories 
ExecCGI
/home/mailman/cgi-bin


What should my settings be?





From andres at photoplankton.com  Thu Nov 15 01:24:56 2001
From: andres at photoplankton.com (Andres L. Figari)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:24:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I demime
Message-ID: <014f01c16d6b$f403c2e0$f5500740@photoplankton.com>

Hello,

I'm fairly new to mailman and have been trying to follow the list for a
couple of weeks.  Does anyone know how I could go about demiming e-mail
before sending it out in my digest.  It looks so ugly :(

Any tips, clues, hints would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Andres




From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Nov 15 02:11:08 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:11:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving a Mailman list
In-Reply-To: <873d3iu01b.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>; from paul@cluefactory.org.uk on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 04:07:44PM +0000
References: <873d3iu01b.fsf_-_@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20011114171107.L26736@magic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 04:07:44PM +0000, Paul Crowley wrote:
> I have a mailing list on my home machine, running Mailman 1.1, which
> I'd like to move onto a colocated host, running Mailman 2.0.6.  Is it
> simply a question of tarring up the relevant directory in /lists and
> unpacking it in the new site?  I know I'll also need to change the
> hostname and URL once the list is in its new location.

tar  and move  should work  as  long as  mailman  is installed  in the  same
directory.
If not,  run move_list on the  lists you moved  to fix the pathnames  in the
config.db files

(and yes, you then have to change the http URL in the list config too)

Marc
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From chrish at apc.edu.ph  Thu Nov 15 03:33:50 2001
From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:33:50 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ERROR: User unknown
In-Reply-To: <20011114171107.L26736@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGCEBKCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>

I created a new user on the mail server to test the command-line adding of
members. The username created is julianh

I used the commands:

echo julianh at apc.edu.ph > /root/newuser
/home/mailman/bin/add_members -n /root/newuser --welcome-mesg=y apc-staff

The user is added to the list alright.  But when I looked at the logs, it
gave me this error message:

Nov 15 10:17:54 cerveza postfix/smtpd[13257]: reject: RCPT from
localhost[127.0.0.1]: 550 <julianh at apc.edu.ph>: User unknown;
from=<apc-staff-admin at apc.edu.ph> to=<julianh at apc.edu.ph>

What do this mean?  Can you help me please? You see, i am creating a script
that when you add a user to the box, it will automatically add the user to a
mailing list and send a welcome message to that user so that when the user
logs in for the first time, he will already have a message from me.  If this
was done through the web, everything is alright.  But i really need to do
this at the console...

Thanks!


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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 15 05:17:54 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:17:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem
In-Reply-To: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C67@index-exchange.indexstock.com>
References: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C67@index-exchange.indexstock.com>
Message-ID: <01111423175400.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

cron?

>
> 1. First, I subscribe to the list from the web. Then, I receive a
> confirmation email.  When I reply, nothing happens.  My subscribe log
> shows a pending.
> 2. I try to send a test email to the list.  Nothing happen either.  Then,
> I did a little test.  I added myself to the list via admin tool.  After I
> I receive a welcome message.  Follow that, I send another test email. 
> Nothing happens again.
>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 15 05:21:24 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:21:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filter email address
In-Reply-To: <3BF28DA6.60990E23@isu.edu>
References: <3BF28DA6.60990E23@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <01111423212401.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Wednesday 14 November 2001 10:28, Webmaster wrote:
> In mailman options is there a way to filter a email address from not
> sending a message to the list or for authorized approval. I just want
> the filters to look at the email address and automatic delete the
> message or  filter it from being send to the list  or the moderator for
> approval. I have this address filtered in the Privacy options under the
> header filters for mailman 2.0.7, but I don't want it sent for approval.
>
You can edit the Source to do this, or you can run one of the many patches 
that folks have written that do this.

Personally, I would take care of this using my MTA and simply reject this 
individuals email (or discard it).

Jon Carnes



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 15 05:41:10 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 23:41:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ERROR: User unknown
In-Reply-To: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGCEBKCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>
References: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGCEBKCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>
Message-ID: <01111423411002.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> Nov 15 10:17:54 cerveza postfix/smtpd[13257]: reject: RCPT from
> localhost[127.0.0.1]: 550 <julianh at apc.edu.ph>: User unknown;
> from=<apc-staff-admin at apc.edu.ph> to=<julianh at apc.edu.ph>
>
> What do this mean?  Can you help me please? 

This means that the user does not exist on the mailserver.  Try sending a 
messaged directly to "julianh at apc.edu.ph" and see if you get a bounce.  
I'll wager you will - with the message 550.



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 15 09:12:59 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:12:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I demime 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Andres L. Figari" <andres@photoplankton.com> 
   of "Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:24:56 PST." <014f01c16d6b$f403c2e0$f5500740@photoplankton.com> 
References: <014f01c16d6b$f403c2e0$f5500740@photoplankton.com> 
Message-ID: <22145.1005811979@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:24:56 -0800 
Andres L Figari <andres at photoplankton.com> wrote:

> Hello, I'm fairly new to mailman and have been trying to follow
> the list for a couple of weeks.  Does anyone know how I could go
> about demiming e-mail before sending it out in my digest.  It
> looks so ugly :(

cf stripmime, demime, mimefilter...

-- 
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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From francis at wizvision.com  Thu Nov 15 10:11:47 2001
From: francis at wizvision.com (Francis Yap)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 17:11:47 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User interface
Message-ID: <007d01c16db5$8db67e20$1700000a@DarkKnight>

Hi, 

Just wondering if it is possible to remove the footer of Mailman from the listinfo page....

rgds

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From andre at dieball.net  Thu Nov 15 11:56:57 2001
From: andre at dieball.net (Andre Dieball)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:56:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI Wrapper
Message-ID: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B0E7FA6@dogbert.comstornet.de>

 
Hi 
 
I get the following error message when trying to ./configure:
 
---cut---
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 
configure: error: 
***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details
---cut?
 
my httpd.conf is configured like the following:
 
---cut---
User wwwrun
Group nogroup
---cut---
 
so I tried ./configure with ?with-cgi-gid nogroup
Unfortunately without any result, still the same error message.
 
System is: SuSE 7.2 with mailman installed from tar.gz (not rpm)
 
Any help is appreciated.
 
Thank you very much in advance.
 
 
Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Kind Regards 
 
Andre Dieball
 
 
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From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Thu Nov 15 13:10:43 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:10:43 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pros Only: Archive problem with 2.0.7
Message-ID: <0111151210430N.28082@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

1. Please post questions like this to
mailman-users at python.org

2. We are running MM 2.0.7 too.
I can't see any difficulties with the archives and using the
default setting (Archive_to_Mbox=2).

- oliver



> I am trying to get the archive html page to work, however the reason it
> doesn't work is because it is looking for the raw html file.
>
> Inside the Defaults it is set at:
> Archive_to_Mbox=2
>
> which is archiving both Mbox and html archiving. Is this a bug, or do I not
> have something setup correctly?





From p.wildeman at clockwork.nl  Thu Nov 15 13:29:52 2001
From: p.wildeman at clockwork.nl (Pepe Wildeman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:29:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop using passwords?
Message-ID: <008b01c16dd1$3a14f910$e901a8c0@pepetemp>

Is it possible within Mailman for users to unsubscribe without a
password? Turning off passwords for ordinary users? 
Another question is: howmany users can be managed with mailman? I'm
talking about 30.000 ?!?



Greetz
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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Thu Nov 15 13:56:39 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set up more than one domain for my mailman.
Message-ID: <20011115135639.B731@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
I've set up mailman on my server, but I've also a gateway which forwards
inquirys to port 80 to my server. I use dyndns. So, if someone goes to
jmeurer.dnsalias.org:80 he comes to 192.168.3.2:80 (my server). The
problem is, that mailman only shows the lists at server/mailman/listinfo,
if the inquiry goes to server. I also have set up rules at my local dns
that www, mail, irc etc is forwarded to my server. But
www.server0.de/mailman/listinfo or mail.server0.de/mailman/listinfo or
192.168.3.2/mailman/listinfo showes no mailinglists. Only
server.server0.de/mailman/listinfo works. Now, how can I say mailman that
192.168.3.2 and www and mail shall work also. Especially 192.168.3.2 is
importand because my gateway forwards incomming inquirys to the ip.

Thanks and bye
   Jonas

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From andre at dieball.net  Thu Nov 15 15:23:36 2001
From: andre at dieball.net (Andre Dieball)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:23:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI Wrapper
In-Reply-To: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B10B183@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B0E7FAD@dogbert.comstornet.de>

AARRGGHHH I forgot the "=" :-((((

Now It works, thank you very much ....

Unfortunately now I have a different problem:

I setup a test List named "test" and subscribed myself to the list.
When I now try to send a message to the list I get the following error
back

---cut---
  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <test at helpdesk.comstornet.de>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
2?) 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer
error 2
---cut---

I believe I have a problem with the gid's of the mailer, .... how can I
solve it?

Again: Thank you very much in advance.

Rgds.
     Andre

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 15. November 2001 12:18
> To: Andre Dieball
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] CGI Wrapper
> 
> Try
> 
> ./configure --with-cgi-gid=nogroup
> 
> At 11:56 15/11/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >Hi
> >
> >
> >
> >I get the following error message when trying to ./configure:
> >
> >
> >
> >---cut---
> >
> >checking for CGI wrapper GID...
> >
> >configure: error:
> >
> >***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
> >
> >***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
> >
> >***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
> >
> >***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
> >
> >***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details
> >
> >---cut
> >
> >
> >
> >my httpd.conf is configured like the following:
> >
> >
> >
> >---cut---
> >
> >User wwwrun
> >
> >Group nogroup
> >
> >---cut---
> >
> >
> >
> >so I tried ./configure with with-cgi-gid nogroup
> >
> >Unfortunately without any result, still the same error message.
> >
> >
> >
> >System is: SuSE 7.2 with mailman installed from tar.gz (not rpm)
> >
> >
> >
> >Any help is appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> >Thank you very much in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Mit freundlichen Gr??en
> >
> >Kind Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >Andre Dieball
> >
> >
> >
> >





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 15 16:45:23 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:45:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I demime
In-Reply-To: <014f01c16d6b$f403c2e0$f5500740@photoplankton.com>
References: <014f01c16d6b$f403c2e0$f5500740@photoplankton.com>
Message-ID: <20011115104523.B26506@mems-exchange.org>

On 14 November 2001, Andres L. Figari said:
> I'm fairly new to mailman and have been trying to follow the list for a
> couple of weeks.  Does anyone know how I could go about demiming e-mail
> before sending it out in my digest.  It looks so ugly :(
> 
> Any tips, clues, hints would be greatly appreciated.

Do a Google search for "demime".  Download the script there and follow
the instructions in the man page.  ("perldoc demime" should work after
you install it to somewhere in your $PATH.)

Ignore the rest of the demime web page.  It is a garbled mish-mash; the
man page is much better.

        Greg
-- 
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MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From fuzzy at outgun.com  Thu Nov 15 16:54:17 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:54:17 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "LightTower DLB Is More Than Tri-Miracle For $22"!!!
Message-ID: <20011115155417.18143.qmail@outgun.com>

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From dan at ssc.com  Thu Nov 15 17:19:14 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:19:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop using passwords?
In-Reply-To: <008b01c16dd1$3a14f910$e901a8c0@pepetemp>
References: <008b01c16dd1$3a14f910$e901a8c0@pepetemp>
Message-ID: <20011115081914.A17505@ssc.com>

On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 01:29:52PM +0100, Pepe Wildeman wrote:
> Is it possible within Mailman for users to unsubscribe without a
> password? Turning off passwords for ordinary users? 
> Another question is: howmany users can be managed with mailman? I'm
> talking about 30.000 ?!?

We have 30,000.

K6-350 128M RAM, Postfix tuned for volume.  Delivers
about 18,000 messages/hour at load average 2, maybe
40 to 70% of processor.  Doesn't swap at all.

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From andre at dieball.net  Thu Nov 15 18:51:59 2001
From: andre at dieball.net (Andre Dieball)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail access denied
Message-ID: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B0E7FBD@dogbert.comstornet.de>

Hi

When I try to access the archives of a mailing list, I always get a
"access denied" :-(

My file permissions look like this:

2312417 drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46 test
 359262 drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46
test.mbox

so, where is the problem?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Mit freundlichen Gr??en

Kind Regards 

Andre Dieball




From kd5de at nwla.com  Thu Nov 15 20:23:57 2001
From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:23:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Before I really mess up
Message-ID: <3BF4164D.347A201A@nwla.com>

Ok Folks I know this is covered somewhere in the archives but I haven't found
it. I have 2.0 running without a hitch on two machines. One with three domains
running a list. But this adventure is a bit different. On my primary webserver
the is no mailman also all the mail from this server is handled by the primary
mail server. 

How do I set up the web interface on one machine and the mail service for it
on another.  If the question makes sense. Using 2.0.7 
									Mel
						
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From miket at scitechsoft.com  Fri Nov 16 00:45:17 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 15:45:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
Message-ID: <3BF3E30D.7935.13963D@localhost>

Why do some lists have viewable archives and other lists with all 
the same settings do not have archives that are viewable.
Is this normal, can I fix the lists that do not allow the archives to be 
viewed. 
The lists that do not let the archive be viewed display a 404 error 
page not found.


Any help is greatly appreciated.

MikeT
******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator 
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151



From lnxgeek at us.ibm.com  Fri Nov 16 01:49:09 2001
From: lnxgeek at us.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:49:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
In-Reply-To: <3BF3E30D.7935.13963D@localhost>
References: <3BF3E30D.7935.13963D@localhost>
Message-ID: <200111160049.fAG0n9l16743@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

In mailinglists.external.mailman-users, you wrote:
>Why do some lists have viewable archives and other lists with all 
>the same settings do not have archives that are viewable.
>Is this normal, can I fix the lists that do not allow the archives to be 
>viewed. 

>The lists that do not let the archive be viewed display a 404 error 
>page not found.

At least one messge must be sent to the mailing list before the archive link
will work. Not sure if that's the case for you or not, but it is the way
things work. :)

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Nov 16 00:50:54 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:50:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem
References: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C7F@index-exchange.indexstock.com>
Message-ID: <03c801c16e30$5d615530$0b04010a@JCARNES>

So it ran the Mailman wrapper successfully... The next step is your Mailman
logs in ~mailman/logs/...
If it posted then you'll see an entry in the "post" log file (then the next
step would be back to your MTA logs to see what happened to the post...)

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem


> I triple checked already.  I did have cron setup as mailman.  I deleted it
> and redo it again.  When I type crontab -l, it shows the mailman job.
>
> Below is what it shows in /var/log/maillog:
> Nov 15 10:18:06 www sendmail[1459]: fAFFI6d01459:
> from=<LarryC at indexstock.com>,
> size=475, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C7C at index
> -exchange.indexstock.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[209.130.207.33]
> Nov 15 10:18:07 www sendmail[1460]: fAFFI6d01459:
> to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/w
> rapper post news", ctladdr=<news at clubkhmer.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
> xdelay=00
> :00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30017, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
> Where else can I check for status?
>
> Thanks in advance folks.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:18 PM
> To: Larry Chuon; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem
>
>
> cron?
>
> >
> > 1. First, I subscribe to the list from the web. Then, I receive a
> > confirmation email.  When I reply, nothing happens.  My subscribe log
> > shows a pending.
> > 2. I try to send a test email to the list.  Nothing happen either.
Then,
> > I did a little test.  I added myself to the list via admin tool.  After
I
> > I receive a welcome message.  Follow that, I send another test email.
> > Nothing happens again.
> >




From chrish at apc.edu.ph  Fri Nov 16 00:59:24 2001
From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:59:24 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail access denied
In-Reply-To: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B0E7FBD@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGEEDICOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>

maybe you do not have pipermail properly configured in httpd.conf <apache>?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Andre Dieball
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 1:52 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail access denied
>
>
> Hi
>
> When I try to access the archives of a mailing list, I always get a
> "access denied" :-(
>
> My file permissions look like this:
>
> 2312417 drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46 test
>  359262 drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46
> test.mbox
>
> so, where is the problem?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Andre Dieball
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> ---
> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001
>
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov 16 01:08:24 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:08:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User interface
References: <007d01c16db5$8db67e20$1700000a@DarkKnight>
Message-ID: <03f501c16e32$cffc8ea0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Yes it is.  I think this is in the FAQ.  In anycase its not too hard to do,
with some minor hacking into the Source.  Still easier is to replace the
icons with ones you want, or simply blank ones...

Jon Carnes
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Francis Yap
  To: mailman-users at python.org
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 4:11 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] User interface


  Hi,

  Just wondering if it is possible to remove the footer of Mailman from the
listinfo page....

  rgds

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From chrish at apc.edu.ph  Fri Nov 16 01:18:42 2001
From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:18:42 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ERROR: User unknown
In-Reply-To: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGOEDHCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>
Message-ID: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGAEDJCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>

got it! the problem was that postfix maintains its own copy of 
passwd in /var/spool/postfix/etc and since the two files are not 
yet synchronized at the time of the creation, the username is 
definitely not yet known <to postfix, at least>.  

Thanks to all of you.

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:41 PM
> > To: chrish at apc.edu.ph
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] ERROR: User unknown
> > 
> > 
> > At 10:33 15/11/2001 +0800, you wrote:
> > >I created a new user on the mail server to test the command-line 
> > adding of
> > >members. The username created is julianh
> > 
> > Did you add the user to /etc/passwd but fail to add a mail 
> alias for them 
> > to your MTAs aliases file/database?
> > 
> > >I used the commands:
> > >
> > >echo julianh at apc.edu.ph > /root/newuser
> > >/home/mailman/bin/add_members -n /root/newuser 
> --welcome-mesg=y apc-staff
> > >
> > >The user is added to the list alright.  But when I looked at 
> the logs, it
> > >gave me this error message:
> > >
> > >Nov 15 10:17:54 cerveza postfix/smtpd[13257]: reject: RCPT from
> > >localhost[127.0.0.1]: 550 <julianh at apc.edu.ph>: User unknown;
> > >from=<apc-staff-admin at apc.edu.ph> to=<julianh at apc.edu.ph>
> > 
> > the 550 return is you MTA saying that it cannot resolve the mail alias
> > 
> > >What do this mean?  Can you help me please? You see, i am 
> > creating a script
> > >that when you add a user to the box, it will automatically add 
> > the user to a
> > >mailing list and send a welcome message to that user so that 
> > when the user
> > >logs in for the first time, he will already have a message from 
> > me.  If this
> > >was done through the web, everything is alright.  But i really 
> need to do
> > >this at the console...
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >-----------------------
> > >Spawn - The Scourge of the Damned
> > >
> > >Chris G Haravata
> > >IT Resource Officer-Magallanes
> > >Asia Pacific College (http://www.apc.edu.ph)
> > >#3 Humabon Place, Magallanes Subd.,
> > >Makati City
> > >Tel No 8529232 loc 402
> > >Cell No 0916.3500465
> > >---
> > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > >Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------------------------------
> > >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > 
> > ---
> > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001
> > 
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001
> 
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001




From hans at lombardo.hk.com  Fri Nov 16 04:33:53 2001
From: hans at lombardo.hk.com (Hans Lombardo)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:33:53 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple list sign up form for mailman
Message-ID: <NEBBKHIMGLCIFODAJEMCMEDKDMAA.hans@lombardo.hk.com>

Hi,

I am looking for some assistance on finding a script/form for Mailman that
allows the user to sign up for multiple lists simultaneously. I have seen
this done with Lyris and Majordomo but not with Mailman.

Some examples of Lyris oriented sign up forms are here
http://www.xianzai.com/ and  http://www.xianzai.com/optin.htm and
http://www.webreference.com/signupform.html.

One issue is what to do with with the password function in Mailman. Can this
be eliminated? or Is there a form that will allow a user to input one
password for all lists that they sign up to?

Thank you in advance for any assistance... Hans

Hans Lombardo
Managing Director
Knowledge Convergence Limited
+852 96881719
hans at lombardo.hk.com




From francis at wizvision.com  Fri Nov 16 04:39:25 2001
From: francis at wizvision.com (Francis Yap)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:39:25 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Subscription
Message-ID: <006b01c16e50$49da3200$1700000a@DarkKnight>

Wondering if there is a way that the user can subscript to the mailing just using email....?

rgds
Francis
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From chrish at apc.edu.ph  Fri Nov 16 05:56:02 2001
From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:56:02 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Subscription
In-Reply-To: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGOEEKCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>
Message-ID: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGEEELCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>

sure, just send mail to <listname>-request at yourdomain.com with the subject
"subscribe" <sans the quotes>
    -----Original Message-----
    From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Francis Yap
    Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:39 AM
    To: Mailman-Users at python.org
    Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Subscription


    Wondering if there is a way that the user can subscript to the mailing
just using email....?

    rgds
    Francis

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/2001
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From kevin1a at socal.rr.com  Fri Nov 16 05:59:37 2001
From: kevin1a at socal.rr.com (kevin1a)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 20:59:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] blocking non-subscribers from posting
Message-ID: <003401c16e5b$7dfa00a0$052ca8c0@ABACUS>

How

How do I block non-subscribers from posting to the lists I have setup?
Also is there any way to search the archives?



Kevin

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From kevin1a at socal.rr.com  Fri Nov 16 06:03:33 2001
From: kevin1a at socal.rr.com (kevin1a)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 21:03:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] block non-subscribers
Message-ID: <004d01c16e5c$0add33c0$052ca8c0@ABACUS>

How

How do I block non-subscribers from posting to the lists I have setup?
Also is there any way to search the archives?



Kevin





From chaudhry at tabunka.org  Fri Nov 16 08:01:10 2001
From: chaudhry at tabunka.org (Imtiaz A. Chaudhry)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:01:10 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help
References: <E164b4k-0008FE-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <001e01c16e6c$79d9ba40$0101a8c0@chaudhryinternational.com>

I 'm using mailman 2.0.1 and last night a subscriber sent a message to list
subscribers received same message more than 300 times.
Nothing strange with server and all these messages came with same time. is
this a bug?Any advise?
Please reply to <chaudhry at tabunka.org>

Best Regards,
Imtiaz Chaudhry




From Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk  Fri Nov 16 11:12:27 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at dev.InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 16 Nov 2001 10:12:27 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] block non-subscribers
In-Reply-To: <004d01c16e5c$0add33c0$052ca8c0@ABACUS>
References: <004d01c16e5c$0add33c0$052ca8c0@ABACUS>
Message-ID: <1005905548.1150.0.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On Fri, 2001-11-16 at 05:03, kevin1a wrote:

> How do I block non-subscribers from posting to the lists I have setup?

[I wondered about making a FAQ entry for this, but it is *really* basic
setup, and the FAQ isn't meant to cover every possible bit thats already
documented]

In the web admin f/e, under Privacy Options, 3rd section down (General
posting filters), option "Restrict posting privilege to list members?
(member_posting_only)"


> Also is there any way to search the archives?

See the new FAQ entry at
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.011.htp

	Nigel.

[NB as policy I'm trying to put generic answers into the FAQ as they
come up and will then tend to answer RTFF (with a link if I'm in a good
mood]

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From kd5de at nwla.com  Fri Nov 16 12:55:56 2001
From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 05:55:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Problems
Message-ID: <3BF4FECC.75074A8D@nwla.com>

Ok I just got 2.0.7 up and running except for this one. I have been there
before. Which GID is this referring to?  Or did I goof up when I ran config as
root?

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to
take 2?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd foobo"... unknown
mailer error 2
>

									Mel
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From andre at dieball.net  Fri Nov 16 15:37:31 2001
From: andre at dieball.net (Andre Dieball)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:37:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail access denied
In-Reply-To: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B10B1B4@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B0E7FCD@dogbert.comstornet.de>

I checked my httpd error log and found the following:

[Fri Nov 16 16:26:43 2001] [error] [client 194.97.43.50] Symbolic link
not allowed: /home/mailman/archives/public/aironet/

I know how to configure "FollowSymlinks" in httpd for a Directory, but
how can I do this for just a "Scriptalias" what mailman is?

Or is there a different way to do this?

Thanks in advance.

Rgds.
	Andre

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Webb [mailto:joel at webbgroup.net]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 15. November 2001 19:56
> To: andre at dieball.net
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail access denied
> 
> This is definitely a bug. The same thing has happened to me. First
make
> sure mailman
> is creating the directory of your mailing list. If it isn't then you
need
> to change
> the config file to archive=0 instead of 2. Once you do this create a
test
> message.
> Then go back and change the archive=2.
> 
> Once mailman creates the archive folder the messages will
automatically
> get archived
> like usual.
> 
> 
> Andre Dieball (andre at dieball.net) wrote:
> >
> >Hi
> >
> >When I try to access the archives of a mailing list, I always get a
> >"access denied" :-(
> >
> >My file permissions look like this:
> >
> >2312417 drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46 test
> >359262 drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46
> >test.mbox
> >
> >so, where is the problem?
> >
> >Any help is appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Mit freundlichen Gr??en
> >
> >Kind Regards
> >
> >Andre Dieball
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> --
> Respectfully,
> 
> Joel Webb
> WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
> www.webbgroup.net
> 336.841.7241




From dgz at matesz.hu  Fri Nov 16 17:02:23 2001
From: dgz at matesz.hu (Dicso Geza)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:02:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re-installed Mailman problems with old lists
Message-ID: <021c01c16eb8$149f8140$0b1814ac@alma>

I have just reinstalled my Mailman (on Debian with apt-get). It recognized
the old settings and it can display the old lists, members, etc.

But if I want to manage old lists with admin front-end by Apache-webserver,
it send erros messages:

When I am prompted to write admin password, the top screen:

"Error decoding authorization cookie."

When I type it and hit Enter, the message is:

admin: Traceback (innermost last):
admin:   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
admin:     main()
admin:   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 168, in main
admin:     FormatConfiguration(doc, lst, category, category_suffix)
admin:   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 306, in
FormatConfig
admin:     form.AddItem(FormatOptionsSection(category, lst))
admin:   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 361, in
FormatOption
admin:     AddOptionsTableItem(big_table, item, category, lst)
admin:   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 376, in
AddOptionsTa
admin:     val = GetItemGuiValue(lst, kind, varname, params)
admin:   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 463, in
GetItemGuiVa
admin:     return TextBox(varname, getattr(lst, varname), params)
admin: AttributeError: num_spawns
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

Could anybody help this problem solving. I do not want to loose my old lists
(more then 1000 members)

Thanks
--
Dicso Geza




From kd5de at nwla.com  Fri Nov 16 17:56:50 2001
From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:56:50 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My Gid Problem
Message-ID: <3BF54552.7CA0E4C1@nwla.com>

Well I should have known better after I got the error one time I did a make
clean then ./configure --with-mail-gid=2 and a make install. But I forgot
about the stupid cache in in netscape. All works fine now. Thanks to those who
stepped in to help this old bum
-- 
--------------------------
System Janitor/Network Plumber http://www.nwla.com
Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.7
--------------------------



From cpowell at asciences.com  Fri Nov 16 19:15:05 2001
From: cpowell at asciences.com (Camille K. Powell)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:15:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses/Digest Delivery
Message-ID: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B915C3A11@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>

Thanks for responding.  I am still having the same problem.  I plan to
contact the postmasters, as suggested.  However, I hope that there is also
something that I can do, in the meantime, on my end.  I double-checked and
replies to list messages are indeed directed to the poster, as recommended.


The strange thing that I noticed is that auto-replies to the list are only
from digest subscribers.  I looked at a digest message to my list.  The "To"
field is the list address and the "From" field is the admin address, for
example, listname-admin at ...  When I try replying to the digest message, I
get the list address!  I would think that a reply to the digest message
would go to the admin address, since that's where the message originated.  

When I reply to a regular posting, I get the poster address.  Is there
something wrong with the digest delivery?  Also, when I am the poster of a
message (and I have delivery set to regular), I get the auto-replies (not
the list).  Is there a way to have all auto-replies to the list sent to the
listname-admin@ address?

Any ideas?  Thanks.

__________________________________________
Camille Powell, Web Designer
Analytical Sciences, Inc.
cpowell at asciences.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc MERLIN [mailto:marc_news at valinux.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 2:17 AM
To: Camille K. Powell
Cc: Greg Ward; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses


On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:26:04PM -0500, Camille K. Powell wrote:
> Thanks, but I hope there's a better way.  I just switched from EZMLM to
> Mailmain and I never had this problem.  The auto-replies used to go to the
> person that posted the message, not to the list.

Actually both are wrong, auto-replies are supposed to go to the envelope
sender, which is the list admin address.

Ezmlm is much smarter than mailman for bounce processing since it uses VERP
and knows exactly which user bounced.

That said, unless  you have a list  that does reply to  munging (forcing the
reply-to to  the list),  auto responses  should never  ever reach  the list,
whether you're using ezmlm or mailman
If an auto-responder  is broken to the point that  it answers receipients in
the To/Cc fields, you can block the sender, but neither mailman or ezmlm can
do anything about it.

If you are using reply-to munging, that may be another reason to consider
not doing it (but the sending mail server is still at fault)

Marc
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cooking
  
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key



From jkenton at iastate.edu  Fri Nov 16 20:37:03 2001
From: jkenton at iastate.edu (Jeffrey M. Kenton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:37:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd little Error message
Message-ID: <p05010405b81b1ad1717d@[129.186.123.32]>

I just received this message. Can someone help me to know what I 
should do with it?

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
     kids = main(lock)
   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
     keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
     if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
     addrs = func(msg)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
     if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \
TypeError: read-only character buffer, None

Without much knowledge of the guts of Python, I would say that the 
problem is with disposing a rejected message, but I want to get some 
ideas from you all first.

Mailman 2.0.6, Python 1.5, etc.
-- 
____________________________________________________________
Jeff Kenton                College of Education Tech Support
N058A Lagomarcino                        jkenton at iastate.edu
Ames, IA 50011                                  515 294 0228

    "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier



From jkenton at iastate.edu  Fri Nov 16 21:19:37 2001
From: jkenton at iastate.edu (Jeffrey M. Kenton)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:19:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd little Error message
In-Reply-To: <20011116151638.A31695@mems-exchange.org>
References: <p05010405b81b1ad1717d@[129.186.123.32]>
 <20011116151638.A31695@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <p05010409b81b2529dff8@[129.186.123.32]>

>I'm pretty sure that this very bug is one of the reasons Mailman 2.0.7
>was released: it crashed when interpreting a certain type of bounce
>message.  Your guess was spot-on.
>
>>  Mailman 2.0.6, Python 1.5, etc.
>               ^
>Bingo -- congratulations, you get to upgrade!
>
>         Greg

Thanks Greg and Jon.

WOOOHOOOOOOO! I GET to upgrade!

:-)

Jeff
-- 
____________________________________________________________
Jeff Kenton                College of Education Tech Support
N058A Lagomarcino                        jkenton at iastate.edu
Ames, IA 50011                                  515 294 0228

    "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier



From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov 16 21:26:06 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:26:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses/Digest Delivery
References: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B915C3A11@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c16edc$ed7a24b0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

>
> When I reply to a regular posting, I get the poster address.  Is there
> something wrong with the digest delivery?  Also, when I am the poster of a
> message (and I have delivery set to regular), I get the auto-replies (not
> the list).  Is there a way to have all auto-replies to the list sent to
the
> listname-admin@ address?
>
> Any ideas?  Thanks.
>
> __________________________________________
> Camille Powell, Web Designer
> Analytical Sciences, Inc.
> cpowell at asciences.com
>
The digest must be delivering the messages and using the listname in the
>From field.

There is no way to have all Auto-replies sent to the list-name-admin address
(unless you want ALL replies sent there...).  The address chosen by the
Auto-reply is totally dependent on the set-up at the clients email site.
There is *nothing* you can do about this.  The best you can do is set the
offending party to "no mail" so that they no longer receive posts (so they
no longer respond to posts).

Please send them a note privately telling them this, and assuring them that
they will be removed from the list entirely should the incident happen
again.

Having a setup like that in the 21st Century is simply a matter of ignorance
and poor manners.

Jon Carnes




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Nov 16 20:38:00 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses/Digest Delivery
In-Reply-To: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B915C3A11@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
References: <DC5D52856A4DD5119FBD009027AC7B915C3A11@mail.asciences-survey-research.com>
Message-ID: <20011116143800.A31578@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 November 2001, Camille K. Powell said:
> Thanks for responding.  I am still having the same problem.  I plan to
> contact the postmasters, as suggested.  However, I hope that there is also
> something that I can do, in the meantime, on my end.  I double-checked and
> replies to list messages are indeed directed to the poster, as recommended.

You always have the option of disabling the subscriptions of users with
broken autoresponders.  Or of blacklisting their site entirely; a bit
harsh, but not unheard of. 

> The strange thing that I noticed is that auto-replies to the list are only
> from digest subscribers.  I looked at a digest message to my list.  The "To"
> field is the list address and the "From" field is the admin address, for
> example, listname-admin at ...  When I try replying to the digest message, I
> get the list address!  I would think that a reply to the digest message
> would go to the admin address, since that's where the message originated.  

Why don't you post the *complete* headers for one of these digests?
What MUA are you using?  It may also be useful to know what the SMTP
sender and recipient (aka "envelope" sender and recipient) are -- if
your MTA adds Return-path and Envelope-to or Delivered-to headers, those
should tell you.  If not, watch your MTA's logs as it accepts the digest
from Mailman and delivers it to you; most MTA log the envelope sender
and recipient.  If all else fails, time to learn about packet-tracing
tools like Ethereal: attach one to your MTA while the digest is received
and delivered, and look at the SMTP session.  Loads of fun, that.

> When I reply to a regular posting, I get the poster address.  Is there
> something wrong with the digest delivery?

If this is purely in the MUA, then it's more likely something wrong with
the digest's headers.  MUAs don't generally have access to envelope
sender/recipient, so they have to go by the headers: From, Sender,
Reply-to, etc.

> Also, when I am the poster of a
> message (and I have delivery set to regular), I get the auto-replies (not
> the list).  Is there a way to have all auto-replies to the list sent to the
> listname-admin@ address?

No, because there is no limit to the stupidity of broken autoresponders.
If I wanted to, I could go write an autoresponder that sends you email
every time someone sends me email with the word "foo" in it.  Broken?
Stupid?  You bet.  But perfectly feasible.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Nov 16 21:16:38 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:16:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd little Error message
In-Reply-To: <p05010405b81b1ad1717d@[129.186.123.32]>
References: <p05010405b81b1ad1717d@[129.186.123.32]>
Message-ID: <20011116151638.A31695@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 November 2001, Jeffrey M. Kenton said:
> I just received this message. Can someone help me to know what I 
> should do with it?
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
[...]
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
>     if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \
> TypeError: read-only character buffer, None
> 
> Without much knowledge of the guts of Python, I would say that the 
> problem is with disposing a rejected message, but I want to get some 
> ideas from you all first.

I'm pretty sure that this very bug is one of the reasons Mailman 2.0.7
was released: it crashed when interpreting a certain type of bounce
message.  Your guess was spot-on.

> Mailman 2.0.6, Python 1.5, etc.
              ^
Bingo -- congratulations, you get to upgrade!

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From miket at scitechsoft.com  Fri Nov 16 21:57:26 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:57:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running
Message-ID: <3BF50D36.27340.23DBD3@localhost>

How can I tell if mailman is actually running.  I can not find an entry if 
I run ps -aux.  I can mail my server and the aliases appear to work.  
When I mail one of my lists nothing ever gets through, and nothing 
is sent out.  All the html features appear to work.  I can change 
options, and if I make a test list it tells me of the new list but never 
responds.  

I have added the alias info into my /etc/aliases file and run 
newaliases.

Any help is greatly appreciated.


MikeT
******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator 
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151



From ridalski at nandomedia.com  Fri Nov 16 22:03:06 2001
From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:03:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running
In-Reply-To: <3BF50D36.27340.23DBD3@localhost>
Message-ID: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGGEEFCAAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>

Did you set the crontabs for mailman? it sounds obvious, but it's easily
overlooked?


  -Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of
miket at scitechsoft.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:57 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running


How can I tell if mailman is actually running.  I can not find an entry if
I run ps -aux.  I can mail my server and the aliases appear to work.
When I mail one of my lists nothing ever gets through, and nothing
is sent out.  All the html features appear to work.  I can change
options, and if I make a test list it tells me of the new list but never
responds.

I have added the alias info into my /etc/aliases file and run
newaliases.

Any help is greatly appreciated.


MikeT
******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov 16 22:44:16 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running
References: <3BF50D36.27340.23DBD3@localhost>
Message-ID: <011101c16ee7$d6f18de0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

A lot of folks seem to have this misconception. Mailman does not run as a
daemon on your server, rather it runs as a series of script which are kicked
off via cron.  Be sure to "su mailman" and check out the cron entries.  If
your cron table is blank, use the cron values found in
~mailman/cron/crontab.in

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: <miket at scitechsoft.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:57 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running


> How can I tell if mailman is actually running.  I can not find an entry if
> I run ps -aux.  I can mail my server and the aliases appear to work.
> When I mail one of my lists nothing ever gets through, and nothing
> is sent out.  All the html features appear to work.  I can change
> options, and if I make a test list it tells me of the new list but never
> responds.
>
> I have added the alias info into my /etc/aliases file and run
> newaliases.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>
> MikeT
> ******************************************************
> SciTech Software Inc,
> Michael E. Todd
> System Administrator
> 505 Wall Street
> Chico, CA 95928
> 530.894.8400  ext 151
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ridalski at nandomedia.com  Fri Nov 16 23:13:36 2001
From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd MailMan Problem...
In-Reply-To: <011101c16ee7$d6f18de0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGOEEFCAAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>

  Ok, so I have mailman set up on a machine running sendmail and FreeBSD
4.3. Lists are set up, newaliases ran, Cron's set up. Whwne I post to a
list, the machine sends out email to everyone on the list *except* to
address on the local domain, the all come up a 'User Unknown'. Judging by
the fact that mailman is sending to everyone else just fine I'm assuming
this is more of a sendmail issue, but I'm not sure. even if I try to send
mail from the command line to my own email address: 'echo test | mail
ridalski at nandomedia.com'  I get the dreaded "user unknown' error. Can anyone
tell me where I should start looking?

  -Richard





From mailman at puzzlesol.com  Fri Nov 16 23:50:56 2001
From: mailman at puzzlesol.com (mailman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:50:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe not working - again
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116173200.025e26b8@pop3.norton.antivirus>

Hi,

I've read the post on the list on how to have subscribers unsubscribe via e-mail using this formula :

Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 13:36:34 -0400
X-UIDL: e(/"!8Pd"!R'F!!;,5"!

The proper format for unsubscribe would be:
  unsubscribe mypassword myemail at mydomain.com

Include your password with the request.  You should also be able to 
unsubscribe using the listinfo web page.

Jon Carnes

But nothing happens with the default list settings, the users are still on the list, nay ideas ?

Regards,




From miket at scitechsoft.com  Sat Nov 17 00:17:56 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:17:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running
In-Reply-To: <20011116214610.53537.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <3BF50D36.27340.23DBD3@localhost>
Message-ID: <3BF52E24.6446.134B6@localhost>

On 16 Nov 2001, at 13:46, Scott Weitzenkamp wrote:

> There is no mailman daemon per se.  Based on what I
> know, you should look if sendmail is working, I
> debugged a similar problem on Linux with "tail -f
> /var/log/mail" and "tcpdump -X port 25".

Yea Sendmail is running, I can send a msg to an alias on that 
machine and it will get back to me.   

Recently I did an upgrade that seemed to go well.  I tested and 
mailman worked.  Now it seems none of my lists will respond. 

Jon:
Would those scripts be in /etc/crontab.  This was empty.  I have 
moved the scripts from ~mailman/cron/crontab.in int /etc/crontab,  I 
do not see how this works.  None of these destination files are rwx=x?
 Is there a script I can manually run and have it proccesss what is 
waiting.

I am completely in smoke on this one.


> > Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > MikeT

******************************************************
SciTech Software Inc,
Michael E. Todd
System Administrator 
505 Wall Street
Chico, CA 95928
530.894.8400  ext 151



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 17 02:05:59 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:05:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd MailMan Problem...
In-Reply-To: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGOEEFCAAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>
References: <BLEHLLIICEGMNCNLJIOGOEEFCAAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>
Message-ID: <01111620055901.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

First we have to know what your MTA is (Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, Qmail, 
...) I'm guessing postfix, and that you have the setup so that your mail 
users are separate from the users on your box....  But that is just a guess.

You know we answer more MTA questions on this list than any Sendmail list 
I've ever been on...

Jon Carnes

On Friday 16 November 2001 17:13, Richard Idalski wrote:
>   Ok, so I have mailman set up on a machine running sendmail and FreeBSD
> 4.3. Lists are set up, newaliases ran, Cron's set up. Whwne I post to a
> list, the machine sends out email to everyone on the list *except* to
> address on the local domain, the all come up a 'User Unknown'. Judging by
> the fact that mailman is sending to everyone else just fine I'm assuming
> this is more of a sendmail issue, but I'm not sure. even if I try to send
> mail from the command line to my own email address: 'echo test | mail
> ridalski at nandomedia.com'  I get the dreaded "user unknown' error. Can
> anyone tell me where I should start looking?
>
>   -Richard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sat Nov 17 02:12:12 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:12:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe not working - again
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116173200.025e26b8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116173200.025e26b8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <01111620121203.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

The email has to be sent to <listname>-request@<domain.com> 
You fill in the <listname> and the <domain.com> with the appriopriate 
values.

The Subject of the email should be the unsubscribe statement.

Jon Carnes

>
> The proper format for unsubscribe would be:
>   unsubscribe mypassword myemail at mydomain.com
>
> Include your password with the request.  You should also be able to
> unsubscribe using the listinfo web page.
>
> Jon Carnes
>



From glen at kk7ih.net  Sat Nov 17 05:51:20 2001
From: glen at kk7ih.net (T. Glen Haggard)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:51:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crazy
Message-ID: <00c301c16f23$810484a0$7208a940@dusty>

This program is driving me crazy. I have installed it twice, once on
Slackware 7.0 and the second on 8.0. Here is what I am getting over and
over:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.office.10296'

I also get this message when I try to send the test list a message:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <test-request at office.nvrams.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error
2


I thnk it may have something to do with the smrsh in Sendmail which I can
not find in Slakeware 8.0. Also the URL given in the message sent out does
not work, can not be found. Pretty much nothing is working. Could use a lot
of help.

Glen





From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Nov 17 06:15:53 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:15:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Crazy
References: <00c301c16f23$810484a0$7208a940@dusty>
Message-ID: <3BF5F289.3CC6CDA0@pcraft.com>

"T. Glen Haggard" wrote:

> This program is driving me crazy. I have installed it twice, once on
> Slackware 7.0 and the second on 8.0. Here is what I am getting over and
> over:

    Looks like you have two different things going on here...


> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.office.10296'

    This means mailman doesn't have permissions to write in that directory.  Are
you sure /home/mailman (and everything under that) is actually owned by mailman,
and that the crontab running is also owned by mailman?


>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error
> 2

    This means your mailman is configured to run with GID 12, however your
system seems to be feeding stuff to sendmail with GID 2 - you need to
reconfigure mailman to accept GID 2.

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From ridalski at nandomedia.com  Sat Nov 17 07:58:31 2001
From: ridalski at nandomedia.com (Richard Idalski)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:58:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd MailMan Problem...
In-Reply-To: <01111620055901.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <LDEMJOBGEGKBEHMAGFPBKECECAAA.ridalski@nandomedia.com>

Actuyally it's Sendmail, said so in my first sentence below ^_^, turns out
I've already gotten this resloved, thanks to you guys, I simply wasn't using
Fully quallified domain names, i thought I had set that, but a simply
overlooked configuration was at fault...

  Thanks,

      Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:06 PM
To: Richard Idalski; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd MailMan Problem...


First we have to know what your MTA is (Sendmail, Exim, Postfix, Qmail,
...) I'm guessing postfix, and that you have the setup so that your mail
users are separate from the users on your box....  But that is just a guess.

You know we answer more MTA questions on this list than any Sendmail list
I've ever been on...

Jon Carnes

On Friday 16 November 2001 17:13, Richard Idalski wrote:
>   Ok, so I have mailman set up on a machine running sendmail and FreeBSD
> 4.3. Lists are set up, newaliases ran, Cron's set up. Whwne I post to a
> list, the machine sends out email to everyone on the list *except* to
> address on the local domain, the all come up a 'User Unknown'. Judging by
> the fact that mailman is sending to everyone else just fine I'm assuming
> this is more of a sendmail issue, but I'm not sure. even if I try to send
> mail from the command line to my own email address: 'echo test | mail
> ridalski at nandomedia.com'  I get the dreaded "user unknown' error. Can
> anyone tell me where I should start looking?
>
>   -Richard
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From chrish at apc.edu.ph  Sat Nov 17 08:49:00 2001
From: chrish at apc.edu.ph (Chris G Haravata)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 15:49:00 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running
In-Reply-To: <011101c16ee7$d6f18de0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <AJEDKMGKCNNHONCEHBEGMEHPCOAA.chrish@apc.edu.ph>

check out the /var/log/messages log, and there, you'll see an entry every
minute telling you that mailman is running...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jon Carnes
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 5:44 AM
> To: miket at scitechsoft.com; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it running
>
>
> A lot of folks seem to have this misconception. Mailman does not run as a
> daemon on your server, rather it runs as a series of script which
> are kicked
> off via cron.  Be sure to "su mailman" and check out the cron entries.  If
> your cron table is blank, use the cron values found in
> ~mailman/cron/crontab.in
>
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <miket at scitechsoft.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 3:57 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it running
>
>
> > How can I tell if mailman is actually running.  I can not find
> an entry if
> > I run ps -aux.  I can mail my server and the aliases appear to work.
> > When I mail one of my lists nothing ever gets through, and nothing
> > is sent out.  All the html features appear to work.  I can change
> > options, and if I make a test list it tells me of the new list but never
> > responds.
> >
> > I have added the alias info into my /etc/aliases file and run
> > newaliases.
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> > MikeT
> > ******************************************************
> > SciTech Software Inc,
> > Michael E. Todd
> > System Administrator
> > 505 Wall Street
> > Chico, CA 95928
> > 530.894.8400  ext 151
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> ---
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>
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From valites at geneseo.edu  Sat Nov 17 16:00:28 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 10:00:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem subscribing to lists
Message-ID: <D6E44594-DB6B-11D5-B393-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

I thought I had this one taken care of, but no go this morning on the 
big switch-over...

I have a machine with ~650 lists.  Somehow, they refuse to let 
individual users subscribe themselves to lists through the web or an 
email, yet an admin can still add them through the web or from the 
command line.

While troubleshooting this, I was able to set up a second machine, copy 
over the files from  lists/list_name/ and archives/private/list_name, 
and change the perms and db to reflect that the lists were on the new 
machine.  Once onto the new machine, the lists worked fine, and I was 
able to subscibe to them without any problems.

The errors I'm getting on the original machine from a reply to 
list-name-request with subject subscirb are right below.  The errors in 
logs/error are at the bottom of the list.

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 223, in 
ParseMailCommands
     self.__dispatch[cmd](args, line, msg)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 568, in 
ProcessSubscribeCmd
     self.AddMember(subscribe_address, password, digest, remote)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 982, in AddMember
     cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 67, in new
     db = self.__load()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 97, in __load
     return marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

This morning I had installed mailman-2.0.7, copied the archives, config, 
and other relevant files to the new install, and thought I would be 
fine.  Everything worked, except for web & email subscribing again.  
Since I can get this to work on a second machine with the lists, and not 
get an upgrade to work on the same machine,  this leads me to think it 
might be something separate, but related to mailman.  With that in mind, 
I did a fresh python-1.52 install this morning, but no go.




Nov 17 09:58:15 2001 admin(26236): 
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(26236): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
admin(26236): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(26236): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(26236):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(26236):     main()
admin(26236):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 53, 
in main
admin(26236):     process_form(mlist, doc)
admin(26236):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 164, 
in process_form
admin(26236):     mlist.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
admin(26236):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 982, in 
AddMember
admin(26236):     cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
admin(26236):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 67, in new
admin(26236):     db = self.__load()
admin(26236):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 97, in 
__load
admin(26236):     return marshal.load(fp)
admin(26236): EOFError: EOF read where object expected
admin(26236): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(26236): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#2, Nov 17 2001, 08:06:49)  [GCC 
3.0.2]
admin(26236): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(26236): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(26236): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(26236): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(26236): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(26236): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(26236):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/mailman/GSU/mail.geneseo.edu
admin(26236):   SERVER_ADDR: 137.238.1.100
admin(26236):   QUERY_STRING:
admin(26236):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 83
admin(26236):   HTTP_PRAGMA: no-cache
admin(26236):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(26236):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/mailman/GSU/mail.geneseo.edu/act-l
admin(26236):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) DAV/1.0.2 
PHP/4.0.6 mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6
admin(26236):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(26236):   HTTP_COOKIE: cit-
l:admin=280200000069965ef63b732800000061366263626134363966663237366239666431326634393837356464336462663435376663306238;
  
localalum:admin=280200000069fb66f63b732800000030316663663366366638306138666339323261396234346136653563336264303238663637346161;
  act-
l:admin=2802000000693175f63b732800000061306463306361383064366637373238383430343030313631643133363061386162643738643532;
  testcit-
l:admin=2802000000698c76f63b732800000034396138613562633862653666323831623666653536306562306366633634643235373437643964;
  NAME=Mark; PASSWD=doyoulike
admin(26236):   UNIQUE_ID: O-Z7B4nuAWQAAFlDQhU
admin(26236):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(26236):   REMOTE_ADDR: 66.66.160.119
admin(26236):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(26236):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(26236):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.12; 
Mac_PowerPC)
admin(26236):   HTTP_ACCEPT: */*
admin(26236):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/act-l
admin(26236):   HTTP_UA_CPU: PPC
admin(26236):   HTTP_EXTENSION: Security/Remote-Passphrase
admin(26236):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(26236):   PATH_INFO: /act-l
admin(26236):   HTTP_HOST: mail.geneseo.edu
admin(26236):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(26236):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at 
mailman.geneseo.edu Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(26236):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe
admin(26236):   SERVER_ADMIN: root at bob.geneseo.edu
admin(26236):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin//subscribe
admin(26236):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(26236):   HTTP_REFERER: 
http://mail.geneseo.edu/mailman/listinfo/act-l
admin(26236):   TZ: US/Eastern
admin(26236):   SERVER_NAME: mailman.geneseo.edu
admin(26236):   REMOTE_PORT: 50540
admin(26236):   HTTP_UA_OS: MacOS




From andy at latke.net  Sat Nov 17 21:59:14 2001
From: andy at latke.net (Andy Peters)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 13:59:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dies; "TypeError : read-only character buffer, None"
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111171349480.6566-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Hi, gang,

I have searched the archives, and have seen many questions similar to
mine, but no answers.  I'm sorry that I'm asking the same question, but
I'm stumped.

I have a list run by Mailman 2.0.6 that has, all of a sudden, decided
that it will not distribute messages.  It was working fine last week,
but now, posts to the list go nowhere.  Mail sent to mylist-l-request and mylist-l-admin go nowhere.

My MTA is Exim.  Exim's log indicates that the mail was accepted and passed
to the proper transport and director.

The mailman error log shows the following messages:

Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592): Traceback (innermost last):
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      kids = main(lock)
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 252, in main
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 121, in dispose_message
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist,
mimemsg):
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File
"/usr/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      addrs = func(msg)
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File
"/usr/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <>
'multipart/report' or \
Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592): TypeError :  read-only character
buffer, None

I am *not* a Python hacker, nor do I have time to become one.

What does this error mean, and more important, how can it be fixed so the
mail can go through?

Thanks in advance,
Andy Peters






From andy at latke.net  Sat Nov 17 22:03:33 2001
From: andy at latke.net (Andy Peters)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 14:03:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chris Kolar documents inaccessable
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111171401300.6623-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Has anyone else noticed that these documents are not accessable?

www.aurora.edu seems to be dead.

--a




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 18 04:03:34 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:03:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dies; "TypeError : read-only character buffer, None"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111171349480.6566-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111171349480.6566-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <01111722033402.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Interesting,  I just saw this exact question answered a few days ago, and 
that answer was to upgrade to Mailman 2.07

There is a bug in 2.06 that allows certain bounces formated just wrong, to 
muck-up mailman and cause it to freeze.  If you find the offending mail in 
your queue (and remove it), you should be able to get things moving again.

Of course the best solution is to upgrate to 2.07 and remove the problem 
forever.

Jon Carnes

===
On Saturday 17 November 2001 15:59, Andy Peters wrote:
> Hi, gang,
>
> I have searched the archives, and have seen many questions similar to
> mine, but no answers.  I'm sorry that I'm asking the same question, but
> I'm stumped.
>
> I have a list run by Mailman 2.0.6 that has, all of a sudden, decided
> that it will not distribute messages.  It was working fine last week,
> but now, posts to the list go nowhere.  Mail sent to mylist-l-request and
> mylist-l-admin go nowhere.
>
> My MTA is Exim.  Exim's log indicates that the mail was accepted and
> passed to the proper transport and director.
>
> The mailman error log shows the following messages:
>
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592): Traceback (innermost last):
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 282, in ?
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      kids = main(lock)
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 252, in main
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      keepqueued =
> dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 121, in dispose_message
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      if
> BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File
> "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      addrs = func(msg)
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):   File
> "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592):      if string.lower(msg.gettype())
> <> 'multipart/report' or \
> Nov 17 13:55:00 2001 qrunner(6592): TypeError :  read-only character
> buffer, None
>
> I am *not* a Python hacker, nor do I have time to become one.
>
> What does this error mean, and more important, how can it be fixed so the
> mail can go through?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Andy Peters
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Fleetwood_Cassandra at htc.honeywell.com  Sun Nov 18 07:26:32 2001
From: Fleetwood_Cassandra at htc.honeywell.com (Fleetwood, Cassandra (AZ75))
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:26:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install - Permission denied error
Message-ID: <EFE5870184A7F343876EF4953809CC4C49B35B@hl-az75-s02>

After installing Mailman I receive the following message, one per minute.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.incose.propagation.net.6397'
Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 81cc2c8> in
<method LockFile.__del__  of LockFile instance at 8292c18> ignored
-----------------------------------

Configure was run as follows:
./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody
-----------------------------------

Permissions on mailman install directory:
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      1024 Nov 17 23:29 mailman/
-----------------------------------

I have followed the install instructions (multiple times), and can't find
the problem.
>From my search of the mail-users archives, I thought the issue might be the
settings for --with-mail-gid and/or --with-cgi-gid, but I don't see a
problem with these. I'm new to Linux and Mailman, so I could be wrong.
I appreciate any help.
 
Cassandra.




From simon at titanic.co.uk  Sun Nov 18 16:21:36 2001
From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:21:36 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain
Message-ID: <LMBBKPGHPFCLKIKDLMHBAEPLGAAA.simon@titanic.co.uk>

Hi all,

I am new to Postfix and Mailman.

I have Mailman running (sucessfully:-) on a machine somedomain.co.uk and
this machine is also a virtual host for otherdomain.co.uk

Can mailman run a list for discussion at otherdomain.co.uk whilst still
allowing Postfix to collect all other mail for otherdomain and send it to a
POP3 box or relay it?

Any ponters gratefully accepted...


Simon
North Staffordshire
England
On a lovely Autumn day





From fuzzy at outgun.com  Sun Nov 18 18:37:26 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:37:26 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Join Tri-Miracle For $22 And Get 4001 Safelists FREE"!!!
Message-ID: <20011118173727.14208.qmail@outgun.com>

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From kender at greenrider.org  Sun Nov 18 19:16:05 2001
From: kender at greenrider.org (Kender)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix and Mailman? Or is it something I missed?
Message-ID: <00b001c1705d$16776f40$2a01a8c0@KERILINTH>

When using a local mailing list on my machine,  I get the following error:


Nov 18 13:04:37 www postfix/smtp[24444]: 7C86819CD: to=<raven at badkarma.org>, relay=mail.badkarma.org[209.176.193.6], delay=34, status=bounced (host mail.badkarma.org[209.176.193.6] said: 553 <dndgame-admin at .greenrider.org>... invalid host name)

Also, until I changed it to a set function using the web tool, anyone trying to reply to the mailing list would reply to LIST at .greenrider.org

Why is that first dot in there?

Please haaalp! :)


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From kender at greenrider.org  Sun Nov 18 19:32:42 2001
From: kender at greenrider.org (Kender)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:32:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix and Mailman? Or is it something I missed?
References: <00b001c1705d$16776f40$2a01a8c0@KERILINTH>
Message-ID: <011f01c1705f$6896ec90$2a01a8c0@KERILINTH>

Okay, I fixed it.

Apparently, Postfix did not like my hostname being www.greenrider.org and it being listed in Postfix's main.cf file as mail.greenrider.org

Thanks anyways! :)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kender 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 1:16 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix and Mailman? Or is it something I missed?


  When using a local mailing list on my machine,  I get the following error:


  Nov 18 13:04:37 www postfix/smtp[24444]: 7C86819CD: to=<raven at badkarma.org>, relay=mail.badkarma.org[209.176.193.6], delay=34, status=bounced (host mail.badkarma.org[209.176.193.6] said: 553 <dndgame-admin at .greenrider.org>... invalid host name)

  Also, until I changed it to a set function using the web tool, anyone trying to reply to the mailing list would reply to LIST at .greenrider.org

  Why is that first dot in there?

  Please haaalp! :)


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From vspadaro at jdventerprises.net  Mon Nov 19 00:30:57 2001
From: vspadaro at jdventerprises.net (Victor Spadaro)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 17:30:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mac OSX
Message-ID: <5127ABF7-DC7C-11D5-A1C6-0003931519A2@jdventerprises.net>

Can anyone help me set up mailman on OSX Server 10.1, mailmans site 
dosn't do the OSX version. I started down the BSD path but it didn't 
seem right.

TIA

Vic





From ise at tao.ca  Mon Nov 19 03:44:45 2001
From: ise at tao.ca (ISE)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:44:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gathering User Info
Message-ID: <ELEGLBLIMMILFAOLDIPEMEELCKAA.ise@tao.ca>

Hello,

I am interested in synchronizing a .htpassword file (or something similar)
with a Mailman list.  Is this possible?  I can't figure out where this info
is stored on the server, or how to access it.  Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated.

Thank you,

Michael Caplan
Institute for Social Ecology
http://www.social-ecology.org/

1118 Maple Hill Road
Plainfield, VT, 05667 USA

Tel.: 1 (514) 421-3515
General Tel. / Fax.: 1 (802) 454-8493




From christopher.rajah at mrc.ac.za  Thu Nov 15 09:09:34 2001
From: christopher.rajah at mrc.ac.za (Christopher Rajah)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:09:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Subscribing
Message-ID: <10FF6EA954D90744BF7B7931D3892D1E0704C5@mrcsdd03.pilot.mrc.ac.za>

Hi All

I recently set up mailman on a Red Hat Linux box

When a user sends a request mail back to the mail list to confirm a
subscription request , the message is undeliverable
I suspect my /etc/aliases file is not set up right

Does any one have a sample file , I can check with 

Best regards
Christopher 



From p.wildeman at clockwork.nl  Thu Nov 15 10:42:07 2001
From: p.wildeman at clockwork.nl (Pepe Wildeman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:42:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stop using passwords
Message-ID: <005401c16db9$cc096670$e901a8c0@pepetemp>

Is it possible within Mailman for users to unsubscribe without a
password? Turning off passwords for ordinary users?
Another question is: howmany users can be managed with mailman? I'm
talking about 30.000


Greetz
Pepe Wildeman

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Clockwork BV              | Direct    : 020-607 7059
Oranjekerk                | Fax       : 020-607 7077
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1073 TK Amsterdam  
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

e-mail: p.wildeman at clockwork.nl
http://www.clockwork.nl




From andre.dieball at comstornet.de  Thu Nov 15 11:54:20 2001
From: andre.dieball at comstornet.de (Dieball, Andre)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 11:54:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI-wrapper
Message-ID: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B18C6@dogbert.comstornet.de>

Hi 
 
I get the following error message when trying to ./configure:
 
---cut---
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 
configure: error: 
***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details
---cut-
 
my httpd.conf is configured like the following:
 
---cut---
User wwwrun
Group nogroup
---cut---
 
so I tried ./configure with -with-cgi-gid nogroup
Unfortunately without any result, still the same error message.
 
System is: SuSE 7.2 with mailman installed from tar.gz (not rpm)
 
Any help is appreciated.
 
Thank you very much in advance.
 
 
Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Kind Regards 
 
Andre Dieball
 
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From dv-zentrum-admin at listserv.fh-giessen.de  Thu Nov 15 13:04:56 2001
From: dv-zentrum-admin at listserv.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 12:04:56 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pros Only: Archive problem with 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <200111141419.fAEEJx907682@mail.webbgroup.net>
References: <200111141419.fAEEJx907682@mail.webbgroup.net>
Message-ID: <0111151204560M.28082@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

1. Please post questions like this to 
mailman-users at python.org

2. We are running MM 2.0.7 too.
I can't see any difficulties with the archives and using the
default setting (Archive_to_Mbox=2).

- oliver


> I am trying to get the archive html page to work, however the reason it
> doesn't work is because it is looking for the raw html file.
>
> Inside the Defaults it is set at:
> Archive_to_Mbox=2
>
> which is archiving both Mbox and html archiving. Is this a bug, or do I not
> have something setup correctly?





From LarryC at indexstock.com  Thu Nov 15 15:36:36 2001
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 09:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C7F@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

I triple checked already.  I did have cron setup as mailman.  I deleted it
and redo it again.  When I type crontab -l, it shows the mailman job.

Below is what it shows in /var/log/maillog:
Nov 15 10:18:06 www sendmail[1459]: fAFFI6d01459:
from=<LarryC at indexstock.com>,
size=475, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C7C at index
-exchange.indexstock.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[209.130.207.33]
Nov 15 10:18:07 www sendmail[1460]: fAFFI6d01459:
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/w
rapper post news", ctladdr=<news at clubkhmer.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00
:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30017, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

Where else can I check for status?

Thanks in advance folks.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:18 PM
To: Larry Chuon; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem


cron?

>
> 1. First, I subscribe to the list from the web. Then, I receive a
> confirmation email.  When I reply, nothing happens.  My subscribe log
> shows a pending.
> 2. I try to send a test email to the list.  Nothing happen either.  Then,
> I did a little test.  I added myself to the list via admin tool.  After I
> I receive a welcome message.  Follow that, I send another test email. 
> Nothing happens again.
>



From jackie.m at vt.edu  Thu Nov 15 16:09:24 2001
From: jackie.m at vt.edu (Jackie Meese)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 10:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gzip full mbox archives
Message-ID: <3BF3DAA4.8020104@vt.edu>

I'm not on the list, so please cc: me on follow ups.

I've been wondering why it is that the mbox downloads of archives 
produced by mailman are only gzipped for the smaller unit (ie. monthly), 
but the entire mbox of the list isn't gzipped for those who want to d/l 
and search/thread/whatever the entire mailing list archive.  It seems to 
make sense to do this, since we should all know that text compresses 
quite nicely.

(I've tried getting mod_gzip to compress the d/l, but that would only 
work for my server, and I d/l archives form other sites.)

Is there some reason this can't just be added to nightly_gzip?  I've 
only dabbled in python, so I don't exactly feel qualified to submit a 
patch, but how about just uncompression before processing and 
re-compressing it after processing?
-- 
Jackie Meese	Institute for Distance and Distributed Learning, Va Tech
Phone: 231-3682	3027 Torgersen Hall MailCode:0445 http://www.iddl.vt.edu/
Education is the change in behavior that occurs as the result of
interaction with events in ones environment.




From andre.dieball at comstornet.de  Thu Nov 15 18:50:50 2001
From: andre.dieball at comstornet.de (Dieball, Andre)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 18:50:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail access denied
Message-ID: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B18DE@dogbert.comstornet.de>

Hi

When I try to access the archives of a mailing list, I always get a "access
denied" :-(

My file permissions look like this:

2312417 drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46 test
 359262 drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 15 19:46 test.mbox

so, where is the problem?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Mit freundlichen Gr??en

Kind Regards 

Andre Dieball




From buanzo at buanzo.com.ar  Thu Nov 15 20:26:59 2001
From: buanzo at buanzo.com.ar (Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:26:59 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to option inexistant
Message-ID: <000b01c16e0b$805c1ae0$46702ac8@fbi>

Hi, My name's Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman, I'm GNU's es_AR Translator's group
team leader. I'm unable to change my list's
(translation-es-ar at lists.sourceforge.net) behaviour to "Reply-to: List",
because the required options are not preseent in the general options
administrator's page.
Sourceforge is using Mailman 2.0.5, and I really need this list to work as a
discussion-based list. What can I do? I tried to contact sourceforge, but no
success so far.

Thank you!

Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman
GNU/Linux USERS, MP Ediciones
GNU's es_AR Translation Team Leader
Moderador de Seguridad at alipso.com
Gerente de Sistemas y Seguridad de Turcin y asociados
http://www.turcin.com.ar
http://www.buanzo.com.ar

>> INFUSION Rock-Alternativo: http://www.infusionalternativa.com.ar





From LarryC at indexstock.com  Fri Nov 16 01:22:09 2001
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 19:22:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C8B@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Ah, there you go.  Here's the problem.  

Nov 14 10:35:01 2001 (20621) post to news from mailman-owner@, size=1256, 1
fail
ures
Nov 15 10:01:09 2001 (1387) post to news from news-request at clubkhmer.com,
size=1
175, 1 failures
Nov 15 10:01:09 2001 (1387) post to news from mailman-owner@, size=65, 1
failure
s

How can I fix this please?

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 6:51 PM
To: Larry Chuon; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem


So it ran the Mailman wrapper successfully... The next step is your Mailman
logs in ~mailman/logs/...
If it posted then you'll see an entry in the "post" log file (then the next
step would be back to your MTA logs to see what happened to the post...)

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem


> I triple checked already.  I did have cron setup as mailman.  I deleted it
> and redo it again.  When I type crontab -l, it shows the mailman job.
>
> Below is what it shows in /var/log/maillog:
> Nov 15 10:18:06 www sendmail[1459]: fAFFI6d01459:
> from=<LarryC at indexstock.com>,
> size=475, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7C7C at index
> -exchange.indexstock.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=[209.130.207.33]
> Nov 15 10:18:07 www sendmail[1460]: fAFFI6d01459:
> to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/w
> rapper post news", ctladdr=<news at clubkhmer.com> (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
> xdelay=00
> :00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30017, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
>
> Where else can I check for status?
>
> Thanks in advance folks.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:18 PM
> To: Larry Chuon; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuration problem
>
>
> cron?
>
> >
> > 1. First, I subscribe to the list from the web. Then, I receive a
> > confirmation email.  When I reply, nothing happens.  My subscribe log
> > shows a pending.
> > 2. I try to send a test email to the list.  Nothing happen either.
Then,
> > I did a little test.  I added myself to the list via admin tool.  After
I
> > I receive a welcome message.  Follow that, I send another test email.
> > Nothing happens again.
> >



From forrie at forrie.com  Fri Nov 16 04:48:20 2001
From: forrie at forrie.com (Forrest Aldrich)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 22:48:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0.7 installation problems
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011115223936.015e5cd0@64.20.73.229>

I've followed the installation directions and when  go to create a new 
list, I get errors on the web page saying it can't find the 
directories.   They are, in fact there, but "newlist" is doing this:

/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/public:

lrwxrwxr-x  1 mailman  mailman  45 Nov 15 22:39 test -> 
/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/test
lrwxrwxr-x  1 mailman  mailman  50 Nov 15 22:39 test.mbox -> 
/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/test.mbox

But there is also:

/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private:

drwxrws--x  3 mailman  mailman  512 Nov 15 22:24 .
drwxrwsr-x  4 mailman  mailman  512 Nov 15 22:10 ..
drwxrwsr-x  2 mailman  mailman  512 Nov 15 22:24 test.mbox

So, I'm a little confused about that part, as it seems correct.

To try and get around any problems, I included Options All in the apache 
config for the cgi-bin directory; no go.

I configured Mailman with:

./configure \
--prefix=/usr/local/home/mailman \
--with-cgi-id=nogroup \
--with-mail-gid=daemon

Since nothing from the web perspective is working correctly, I presume this 
is a permissions or Apache configuration issue.

One suggestion, since Apache is commonly used, is to set up in the README a 
section that has a sample entry that people can cut & paste -- be it a 
VirtualHost entry or whatever.

I do have VirtualHosts defined, and tried making the Apache config 
directives in and outside of the VirtualHost definition for the default 
host.  No go.

This is on FreeBSD-4.4-STABLE.


_F




From szeidler at gmx.de  Fri Nov 16 08:51:16 2001
From: szeidler at gmx.de (Stefan Zeidler)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:51:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about the filessizelimit
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20011116084707.01cf2b90@pop.online.de>

Hi there,

I told mailman, that the maximum length of an attachment should be "0" (no 
limit). But mailman holds mail with an attachment and gave me an error 
"messagebody too long". How can I avoid this?

Thank you so much!

Mit freundlichen Gr??en,

Stefan Zeidler.
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From jnoack at ged.de  Fri Nov 16 11:38:24 2001
From: jnoack at ged.de (Jens Noack)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:38:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] REPLY field in mailinglists
Message-ID: <3YMJ53ZVTPE0PVT52HDFBZWTSLFGD3W.3bf4eca0@jnoack.ged>

Hallo, 

i'm a member of the sourceforge community and try to manage a project (wiesel) there. I've read its possible to 
set the REPLY-field of an e-mail posted to a mailinglist to list-name (wiesel-mail) but leave the FROM-field as 
it is (sender of the mail). My problem is, i cant find the field in my admin-window (general options) to set 
this option. At the moment i use the hide-sender option but its not what i want.

Maybe you could help me (i'm sure).
Thank you,

Jens.


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From eduguay at puzzlesol.com  Sat Nov 17 17:51:06 2001
From: eduguay at puzzlesol.com (eduguay at puzzlesol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 11:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe not working - again
In-Reply-To: <01111620121203.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011116173200.025e26b8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
 <5.1.0.14.0.20011116173200.025e26b8@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011117114846.02e38c40@mail.puzzlesol.com>

Thanks,

I've founf MY problem, nothing to do with this really cool mailing list software (way easier to setup than Majordomo): I had a generic alias for my virtualusers that was intercepting commands for the mailman aliases, therefore the list was not receiving the commands.

My apologies.


At 08:12 PM 11/16/2001 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>The email has to be sent to <listname>-request@<domain.com> 
>You fill in the <listname> and the <domain.com> with the appriopriate 
>values.
>
>The Subject of the email should be the unsubscribe statement.
>
>Jon Carnes
>
>>
>> The proper format for unsubscribe would be:
>>   unsubscribe mypassword myemail at mydomain.com
>>
>> Include your password with the request.  You should also be able to
>> unsubscribe using the listinfo web page.
>>
>> Jon Carnes
>>
>
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From Fleetwood_Cassandra at htc.honeywell.com  Sun Nov 18 07:18:31 2001
From: Fleetwood_Cassandra at htc.honeywell.com (Fleetwood, Cassandra (AZ75))
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:18:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install - Permission denied error
Message-ID: <EFE5870184A7F343876EF4953809CC4C49B359@hl-az75-s02>

After installing mailman I receive the following message, one per minute.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 275, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.incose.propagation.net.6397'
Exception exceptions.OSError: <exceptions.OSError instance at 81cc2c8> in
<method LockFile.__del__  of LockFile instance at 8292c18> ignored
-----------------------------------

Configure was run as follows:
./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody
-----------------------------------

Permissions on mailman install directory:
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      1024 Nov 17 23:29 mailman/
-----------------------------------

I have followed the install instructions (multiple times), and can't find
the problem.
>From my search of the mail-users archives, I thought the issue might be the
settings for --with-mail-gid and/or --with-cgi-gid, but I don't see a
problem with these. I'm new to Linux and mailman, so I could be wrong.
I appreciate any help.
 
Cassandra.




From hans at lombardo.hk.com  Mon Nov 19 05:34:22 2001
From: hans at lombardo.hk.com (Hans Lombardo)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:34:22 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: multiple list sign up form for mailman
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKHIMGLCIFODAJEMCMEDKDMAA.hans@lombardo.hk.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKHIMGLCIFODAJEMCGEFADMAA.hans@lombardo.hk.com>

Earlier I sent this message with little response. Can anyone give me advice?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Lombardo [mailto:hans at lombardo.hk.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:34 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: multiple list sign up form for mailman
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for some assistance on finding a web-based script/form for 
> Mailman that allows the user to sign up for multiple lists 
> simultaneously. I have seen this done with Lyris and Majordomo 
> but not with Mailman.
> 
> Some examples of Lyris oriented sign up forms are here 
> http://www.xianzai.com/ and  http://www.xianzai.com/optin.htm and 
> http://www.webreference.com/signupform.html.
> 
> One issue is what to do with with the password function in 
> Mailman. Can this be eliminated? or Is there a form that will 
> allow a user to input one password for all lists that they sign up to?
> 
> Thank you in advance for any assistance... Hans
> 
> Hans Lombardo
> Managing Director
> Knowledge Convergence Limited
> +852 96881719
> hans at lombardo.hk.com



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 19 06:29:09 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:29:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gathering User Info
In-Reply-To: <ELEGLBLIMMILFAOLDIPEMEELCKAA.ise@tao.ca>
References: <ELEGLBLIMMILFAOLDIPEMEELCKAA.ise@tao.ca>
Message-ID: <01111900290905.00996@anncons.nc.rr.com>

I've done it before.  Search the archives for my write up on it.
If you have trouble with it, let me know,

Jon Carnes

On Sunday 18 November 2001 21:44, ISE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am interested in synchronizing a .htpassword file (or something
> similar) with a Mailman list.  Is this possible?  I can't figure out
> where this info is stored on the server, or how to access it.  Any ideas
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael Caplan
> Institute for Social Ecology
> http://www.social-ecology.org/
>
> 1118 Maple Hill Road
> Plainfield, VT, 05667 USA
>
> Tel.: 1 (514) 421-3515
> General Tel. / Fax.: 1 (802) 454-8493
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 19 06:31:57 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:31:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI-wrapper
In-Reply-To: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B18C6@dogbert.comstornet.de>
References: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B18C6@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <01111900315706.00996@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Check your /etc/group file to see if "nogroup" is defined as a group.  I'll 
wager a few quatlus that it isn't.

Jon Carnes

On Thursday 15 November 2001 05:54, Dieball, Andre wrote:
> Hi
>
> I get the following error message when trying to ./configure:
>
> ---cut---
> checking for CGI wrapper GID...
> configure: error:
> ***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
> ***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
> ***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
> ***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
> ***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details
> ---cut-
>
> my httpd.conf is configured like the following:
>
> ---cut---
> User wwwrun
> Group nogroup
> ---cut---
>
> so I tried ./configure with -with-cgi-gid nogroup
> Unfortunately without any result, still the same error message.
>
> System is: SuSE 7.2 with mailman installed from tar.gz (not rpm)
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
> Kind Regards
>
> Andre Dieball

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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 19 06:42:07 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:42:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: multiple list sign up form for mailman
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKHIMGLCIFODAJEMCGEFADMAA.hans@lombardo.hk.com>
References: <NEBBKHIMGLCIFODAJEMCGEFADMAA.hans@lombardo.hk.com>
Message-ID: <01111900420807.00996@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Hans, I actually book-marked your earlier email, and I'm thinking about 
mucking around with the code to add that functionality to MM.  I don't 
think anyone has done it yet, and I don't think that particular 
functionality is slated for the next release, so it would be a fun project.

The only real advice I have to offer is that Mailman is Opensource, so have 
at it. 

Jon Carnes

On Sunday 18 November 2001 23:34, Hans Lombardo wrote:
> Earlier I sent this message with little response. Can anyone give me
> advice?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hans Lombardo [mailto:hans at lombardo.hk.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 11:34 AM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: multiple list sign up form for mailman
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am looking for some assistance on finding a web-based script/form for
> > Mailman that allows the user to sign up for multiple lists
> > simultaneously. I have seen this done with Lyris and Majordomo
> > but not with Mailman.
> >
> > Some examples of Lyris oriented sign up forms are here
> > http://www.xianzai.com/ and  http://www.xianzai.com/optin.htm and
> > http://www.webreference.com/signupform.html.
> >
> > One issue is what to do with with the password function in
> > Mailman. Can this be eliminated? or Is there a form that will
> > allow a user to input one password for all lists that they sign up to?
> >
> > Thank you in advance for any assistance... Hans
> >
> > Hans Lombardo
> > Managing Director
> > Knowledge Convergence Limited
> > +852 96881719
> > hans at lombardo.hk.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ise at tao.ca  Mon Nov 19 06:44:56 2001
From: ise at tao.ca (ISE)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gathering User Info
In-Reply-To: <01111900290905.00996@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <ELEGLBLIMMILFAOLDIPECEEOCKAA.ise@tao.ca>

Jon Carnes,

Thanks for the reply.  I searched through the list (with google and python
search) but unfortunately could not dig up the post in question.  Would you
still have a copy hanging around?  If so, I would appreciate it if you could
email me it.

Thank you,

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
Sent: November 19, 2001 12:29 AM
To: ISE; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Gathering User Info


I've done it before.  Search the archives for my write up on it.
If you have trouble with it, let me know,

Jon Carnes

On Sunday 18 November 2001 21:44, ISE wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am interested in synchronizing a .htpassword file (or something
> similar) with a Mailman list.  Is this possible?  I can't figure out
> where this info is stored on the server, or how to access it.  Any ideas
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael Caplan
> Institute for Social Ecology
> http://www.social-ecology.org/
>
> 1118 Maple Hill Road
> Plainfield, VT, 05667 USA
>
> Tel.: 1 (514) 421-3515
> General Tel. / Fax.: 1 (802) 454-8493
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Nov 19 07:24:14 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: multiple list sign up form for mailman
References: <E165hDu-0001QH-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3BF8A58E.1C044CB4@nleaudio.com>

> I am looking for some assistance on finding a web-based script/form for 
> Mailman that allows the user to sign up for multiple lists 
> simultaneously. I have seen this done with Lyris and Majordomo 
> but not with Mailman.

Try something like this:

1. You have a form in a html page to get the email address.
2. It posts to a CGI script that puts the email address in appropriate subscribe messages that get sent to mailman.  You may need to generate a separate email per message - haven't tested this to see
if you can just use multiple lines.

Another way is to use cron jobs running as mailman to check for the presence of a text file that your CGI creates with the email address, then run add_member.  The disadvantage to this method is there
is no verification.

Bob



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 19 07:23:49 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gathering User Info
In-Reply-To: <ELEGLBLIMMILFAOLDIPECEEOCKAA.ise@tao.ca>
References: <ELEGLBLIMMILFAOLDIPECEEOCKAA.ise@tao.ca>
Message-ID: <01111901234909.00996@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 19 November 2001 00:44, ISE wrote:
> Jon Carnes,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I searched through the list (with google and
> python search) but unfortunately could not dig up the post in question. 
> Would you still have a copy hanging around?  If so, I would appreciate it
> if you could email me it.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc at nc.rr.com]
> Sent: November 19, 2001 12:29 AM
> To: ISE; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Gathering User Info
>
>
> I've done it before.  Search the archives for my write up on it.
> If you have trouble with it, let me know,
>
> Jon Carnes

Since it is such a long email, I sent it separately (off list).  The date 
to look up in the archive is Oct 8, 2001.

Jon Carnes

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.



From digitechinternational at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 19 08:24:56 2001
From: digitechinternational at yahoo.com (Manoj Tyagi)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:24:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello all
Message-ID: <20011119072456.89403.qmail@web13609.mail.yahoo.com>

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From: digitechinternational at yahoo.com (Manoj Tyagi)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 23:49:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hello all
Message-ID: <20011119074922.82013.qmail@web13603.mail.yahoo.com>

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From fuzzy at outgun.com  Mon Nov 19 15:34:33 2001
From: fuzzy at outgun.com (Bob C)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:34:33 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Unbelievable"!! AMAZING!!!
Message-ID: <20011119143434.7635.qmail@outgun.com>

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From jorge.llacer at bt.es  Mon Nov 19 17:09:06 2001
From: jorge.llacer at bt.es (jorge.llacer at bt.es)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:09:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & LDAP
Message-ID: <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371AF59@ESLICASAEX2>

Hello all,

Is it possible to interface Mailman with a user database stored in a LDAP
server?

What I really want to know is if it is possible to mantain centralized
information about users and lists in a LDAP database instead of (or in
addition to) the Mailman one.

Any idea about how to do this? If somebody has done something similar I
would be very pleased if he/she could suggest me how.

I'm evaluating some mailing list products and one of the required features
is "integration with LDAP server".
I would like to know if this feature could be implemented in Mailman or not
just to go ahead with the product or to discard it.

Thak you very much.

Jorge.



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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 19 18:33:32 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:33:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & LDAP 
In-Reply-To: Message from jorge.llacer@bt.es 
   of "Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:09:06 +0100." <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371AF59@ESLICASAEX2> 
References: <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371AF59@ESLICASAEX2> 
Message-ID: <16797.1006191212@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:09:06 +0100 
jorge llacer <jorge.llacer at bt.es> wrote:

> Is it possible to interface Mailman with a user database stored in
> a LDAP server?

In the upcoming 2.1, yes, given that you/someone writes an adaptor
for LDAP (there's a plugin layer).

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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From cwieland at uci.edu  Mon Nov 19 20:02:57 2001
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:02:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list subscribers
Message-ID: <v04011702b81f06ace2da@[128.200.83.25]>

Hello

There is an option from the listinfo page to view subscribers which appears
can be set so that anyone can view the subscribers, only list subscribers
can view the subscribers list, or only the list admin can view the
subscribers. I am unable to find where these options are set in the config.

Any help is appreciated.

Con Wieland
UC Irvine



From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 19 20:58:50 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:58:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list subscribers
References: <v04011702b81f06ace2da@[128.200.83.25]>
Message-ID: <01d401c17134$9bf13980$0b04010a@JCARNES>

In the admin-web interface on the Privacy Options page: "Who can view
subscription list?"

I have all my lists default to "list-admin only" (set in the file
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py)

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Con Wieland" <cwieland at uci.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:02 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list subscribers


> Hello
>
> There is an option from the listinfo page to view subscribers which
appears
> can be set so that anyone can view the subscribers, only list subscribers
> can view the subscribers list, or only the list admin can view the
> subscribers. I am unable to find where these options are set in the
config.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Con Wieland
> UC Irvine
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 19 20:59:52 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:59:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & LDAP 
References: <9BF904D9BF6FD511B6B70008C7DBDD2371AF59@ESLICASAEX2>  <16797.1006191212@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <01da01c17134$c07d9be0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Looks like the LDAP plug-in will be quite popular once someone writes it...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: <jorge.llacer at bt.es>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & LDAP 


> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:09:06 +0100 
> jorge llacer <jorge.llacer at bt.es> wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible to interface Mailman with a user database stored in
> > a LDAP server?
> 
> In the upcoming 2.1, yes, given that you/someone writes an adaptor
> for LDAP (there's a plugin layer).
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From wheakory at isu.edu  Mon Nov 19 21:37:58 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:37:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending message to list
Message-ID: <3BF96DA6.444703CE@isu.edu>

In mailman is there a way to tell mailman  I want to send 25 users a
message in one envelope per message. This is done in majordomo with the
bulk mailer feature. This would be a lot better because then you would
not have to send one message per user especially if your mailing list is
1000 users, it takes a while. This would be a very good performance
enhancement. I' m current using sendmail as my MTA.
--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From dan at ssc.com  Mon Nov 19 22:04:20 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:04:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending message to list
In-Reply-To: <3BF96DA6.444703CE@isu.edu>
References: <3BF96DA6.444703CE@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20011119130420.D372@ssc.com>

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:37:58PM -0700, Kory Wheatley wrote:
> In mailman is there a way to tell mailman  I want to send 25 users a
> message in one envelope per message. This is done in majordomo with the
> bulk mailer feature. This would be a lot better because then you would
> not have to send one message per user especially if your mailing list is
> 1000 users, it takes a while. This would be a very good performance
> enhancement. I' m current using sendmail as my MTA.
> --
> #########################################
> Kory Wheatley
> Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
> Phone 282-3874
> #########################################
> Everything must point to him.

By "envelope" do you mean one SMTP session?

You might try postfix.

We deliver 30,000 messages in less than three hours, on an old
AMD K6-350 using Mailman and Postfix, and the machine hardly
breaks into a sweat.  Load average less than 2. 150 smtp processes.  
Jams up the DSL line! 

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From schalch at eproduction.ch  Mon Nov 19 22:14:11 2001
From: schalch at eproduction.ch (Oliver Schalch)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:14:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apcupsd
Message-ID: <025e01c1713f$23201cf0$c78da2d9@trifid>

Hay, 


Someone tested to habe more then one ups on one server?
I dont know how to configure apcupsd for more then one ups on the same server:(
someone has a tipp?

oli
sysadmin @ eproduction.ch
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From schalch at eproduction.ch  Mon Nov 19 22:17:42 2001
From: schalch at eproduction.ch (Oliver Schalch)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:17:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apcupsd
Message-ID: <027c01c1713f$a03041c0$c78da2d9@trifid>

Hay,


Someone tested to habe more then one ups on one server?
I dont know how to configure apcupsd for more then one ups on the same
server:(
someone has a tipp?

oli
sysadmin @ eproduction.ch




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 19 22:25:36 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:25:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apcupsd
References: <027c01c1713f$a03041c0$c78da2d9@trifid>
Message-ID: <3BF978D0.7AD8FB2B@pcraft.com>

Oliver Schalch wrote:

> Someone tested to habe more then one ups on one server?
> I dont know how to configure apcupsd for more then one ups on the same
> server:(
> someone has a tipp?

    This would be the wrong list to post this question to.

--
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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 19 22:27:23 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:27:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending message to list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Kory Wheatley <wheakory@isu.edu> 
   of "Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:37:58 MST." <3BF96DA6.444703CE@isu.edu> 
References: <3BF96DA6.444703CE@isu.edu> 
Message-ID: <20609.1006205243@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:37:58 -0700 
Kory Wheatley <wheakory at isu.edu> wrote:

> In mailman is there a way to tell mailman I want to send 25 users
> a message in one envelope per message. 

See SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in ~/Mailman/Defaults.py and ~/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

> I' m current using sendmail as my MTA. 

You may wish to re-examine that choice.  In general you'll get far
better performance and scalability out of alternate MTAs such as
Postfix and Exim.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From andy at latke.net  Mon Nov 19 22:39:29 2001
From: andy at latke.net (Andy Peters)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:39:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman dies; "TypeError : read-only character
 buffer, None"
In-Reply-To: <01111722033402.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111191437170.26051-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Jon Carnes wrote:

> Interesting,  I just saw this exact question answered a few days ago, and
> that answer was to upgrade to Mailman 2.07

How often are the archives updated?

> There is a bug in 2.06 that allows certain bounces formated just wrong,
to
> muck-up mailman and cause it to freeze.  If you find the offending mail in
> your queue (and remove it), you should be able to get things moving again.
>
> Of course the best solution is to upgrate to 2.07 and remove the problem
> forever.

I did that, after seeing what was what at Sourceforge.

Of course, there were some lock files that had to be deleted before the
mailing list would work again.

Seems to be fine now.

--andy





From bvondane at cso.atmel.com  Mon Nov 19 23:06:04 2001
From: bvondane at cso.atmel.com (Bill VonDane)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:06:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Engine...
In-Reply-To: <v04011702b81f06ace2da@[128.200.83.25]>
Message-ID: <001701c17146$61ddcda0$87fa5f0a@atmel.com>

What are people using to allows visitors to search their Pipermail
archives?

-Bill




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 19 23:27:34 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:27:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search Engine... 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bill VonDane <bvondane@cso.atmel.com> 
   of "Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:06:04 MST." <001701c17146$61ddcda0$87fa5f0a@atmel.com> 
References: <001701c17146$61ddcda0$87fa5f0a@atmel.com> 
Message-ID: <21503.1006208854@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:06:04 -0700 
Bill VonDane <bvondane at cso.atmel.com> wrote:

> What are people using to allows visitors to search their Pipermail
> archives?

MnoGoSearch and HT:Dig are the typical choices.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From cwieland at uci.edu  Tue Nov 20 00:06:45 2001
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts
Message-ID: <v04011707b81f40015b5b@[128.200.83.25]>

Hello

I'am looking for more documentation on virtual hosts. I am interested in
setting mailman up to host lists for domain1.xxx and domain2.yyy If I'am
reading the features on www.list .org correctly - Support for virtual
domains is possible but I haven't found any instructions.

Any help is appreciated.

Con Wieland
UC Irvine



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Nov 20 00:41:41 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:41:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not Mailman-related: Open Source mavens please read
Message-ID: <200111192341.PAA28523@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

I participate on the fringes of Open Source, so perhaps
someone here can clue me in.  Please respond privately
so as not to pollute Mailman-Users overmuch:

Why do all the '-config' tools (gtk-config et. al.) seem to
refuse to include -R options in their "libraries" output to
set the dynamic runtime dependency path?

You'll see "-L /usr/local/lib" and not "-R /usr/local/lib", and
I can't figure out why, but it seems endemic to many
of those tools that use an xxx-config program to pass on
link options.  Any reason?

(Yes, I know you can use ld.config, but why should you have to?)




From jfreeman at connix.com  Tue Nov 20 01:53:58 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:53:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] renaming a list
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011119195145.28519D-100000@comet.connix.com>

I have an installation of mailman with one list running.  It's for my
daughter's school.  Currently, the list name is 'atrium'  and it's
description is 'atrium school email list'.

I won't go into all the details, but I think it might be wise at this
point to rename it 'unofficial-atrium'... the description I can manage
myself.  

What is the best way to rename a running list?

(nothing i could find in the faq for this... it might make a good faq..)

j.



         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
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                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Nov 20 02:12:00 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:12:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] renaming a list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011119195145.28519D-100000@comet.connix.com>; from jfreeman@connix.com on Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 07:53:58PM -0500
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011119195145.28519D-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <20011119171200.C4650@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 07:53:58PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> I have an installation of mailman with one list running.  It's for my
> daughter's school.  Currently, the list name is 'atrium'  and it's
> description is 'atrium school email list'.
> 
> I won't go into all the details, but I think it might be wise at this
> point to rename it 'unofficial-atrium'... the description I can manage
> myself.  
> 
> What is the best way to rename a running list?

go back in the archives, Barry gave a very detailled step by step checklist
2-3 months ago.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From jsignalness at btinet.net  Tue Nov 20 03:03:27 2001
From: jsignalness at btinet.net (Jason Signalness)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 20:03:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the email host
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011119200106.02641e98@mail.btinet.net>

Hello all,

I just installed Mailman and all seems well, except for one thing.  Mailman 
seems to think my mail server is at one host while it is actually at another.

The URLs it sends out in its emails is correct, but the host name for email 
is incorrect.  I have changed it in the mm_cfg.py file, but it still 
doesn't listen.

Any ideas?




From jfreeman at connix.com  Tue Nov 20 03:15:15 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 21:15:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] renaming a list
In-Reply-To: <20011119171200.C4650@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011119211239.12599A-100000@comet.connix.com>

Thanks Marc...

I was afraid of that... I dread looking around in the archives due to
the lack of a search engine (such as htdig...)

I'm looking now.

cheers,

J.

On Mon, 19 Nov
2001, Marc MERLIN wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 07:53:58PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > I have an installation of mailman with one list running.  It's for my
> > daughter's school.  Currently, the list name is 'atrium'  and it's
> > description is 'atrium school email list'.
> > 
> > I won't go into all the details, but I think it might be wise at this
> > point to rename it 'unofficial-atrium'... the description I can manage
> > myself.  
> > 
> > What is the best way to rename a running list?
> 
> go back in the archives, Barry gave a very detailled step by step checklist
> 2-3 months ago.
> 
> Marc
> -- 
> Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
>   
> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From dan at ssc.com  Tue Nov 20 03:19:04 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:19:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the email host
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011119200106.02641e98@mail.btinet.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011119200106.02641e98@mail.btinet.net>
Message-ID: <20011119181904.B2261@ssc.com>

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 08:03:27PM -0600, Jason Signalness wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I just installed Mailman and all seems well, except for one thing.  Mailman 
> seems to think my mail server is at one host while it is actually at 
> another.
> 
> The URLs it sends out in its emails is correct, but the host name for email 
> is incorrect.  I have changed it in the mm_cfg.py file, but it still 
> doesn't listen.
> 
> Any ideas?

In what context to you see the unwanted hostname?

-- 
Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 20 06:02:40 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 00:02:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
In-Reply-To: <000d01c1717b$ba8cf2c0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
References: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com> <20011108110505.A27530@mems-exchange.org> <000d01c1717b$ba8cf2c0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>
Message-ID: <01112000024004.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

First why do you want two mailman installs on the same machine?  Multiple 
domains can be served by one install of Mailman.

The only reason I can think of to install it twice is that you want to 
modify the source code on one install and leave the other as is (or modify 
the source in a different way)

Second, if you *do* install mailman twice on the same machine, there are a 
lot of tweaks you need to do that start with the ./configure script.  
  - install the first using user mailman in that home directory, the second 
as a different user (mailman2), because the installs need to be in 
different home directory,
  - You need to rename qrunner (qrunner2) in the second install and if 
using Sendmail, create a second link to the smrsh directory,
  - Two entries in your webserver, with different web-roots 

And assorted other tweaks

I'm betting that you didn't do some or all of the tweaks above, and thus 
have installed over your old install un-intentionally.

I would recommend that you restore from backup (just kidding, but it does 
make a point!).  Save off your data and config files to a neutral place 
(assuming you want to save the list info and the archives), and then 
reinstall with the original settings. 

Recreate the lists manually, test, then move your config files and data 
into the new install.

The config files contain all your users and their settings, plus all the 
config settings of the mailing lists.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Monday 19 November 2001 23:27, Venkat Subramony wrote:
> hai,
>  I installed mailman .It worked.
>
> I tried installing one more mailman in the same machine in a different
> location.
> But i am unable to get the archives. It shows file not found.
>
>  The folders inside the mailman/archives/ folder are not automatically
> created.
>
> Now the problem is that none of the installations is working.
> When i send a mail, the mail wrapper program is not executing.
> How can i rectify the problem?
> Can u help me out of this situation?
>
> Venkat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Ward" <gward at mems-exchange.org>
> To: "V.S.Mony" <gvsmony at inapp.com>
> Cc: <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
>
> > On 07 November 2001, V.S.Mony said:
> > > There is only a field with the description  'Hostname the list
> > > prefers'
> > >
> > > Can we give multiple domains in that field?
> > > i mean abc.com,xyz.com in the same textbox?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > Then will it recognise mails to both abc.com and xyz.com
> >
> > It's not Mailman's job to recognize mail to the list (except for
> > filtering out "implicit sender" spam; that's a different option).  It's
> > your MTA's job.
> >
> >         Greg



From wal at magicalbox.com  Tue Nov 20 19:40:43 2001
From: wal at magicalbox.com (William Loats)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 12:40:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade icon trouble..
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111201237560.23170-100000@merlin.magicalbox.com>

I just upgraded to 2.0.7 (from 2.beta5) after a system upgrade and for 
some reason the icons on all mailman pages are broken images. The source 
looks ok and the files are there with what appears to be the proper 
permissions but the images are broken. 

Any ideas?

--Bill

-- 
                             --=*=--
William A. Loats                                        wal at magicalbox.com
                                                              Lawrence, KS




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 20 08:09:03 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:09:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the email host
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011119200106.02641e98@mail.btinet.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011119200106.02641e98@mail.btinet.net>
Message-ID: <01112002090305.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Monday 19 November 2001 21:03, Jason Signalness wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I just installed Mailman and all seems well, except for one thing. 
> Mailman seems to think my mail server is at one host while it is actually
> at another.
>
> The URLs it sends out in its emails is correct, but the host name for
> email is incorrect.  I have changed it in the mm_cfg.py file, but it
> still doesn't listen.
>
> Any ideas?

Now that you have changed the value in mm_cfg.py all your NEW lists will 
have the right value.  You will need to go into the web-admin for each of 
your existing lists and make the same change (near the bottom of the 
General Options page).

Jon Carnes



From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Tue Nov 20 09:43:55 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:43:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed
Message-ID: <0111201006.AA1006245634@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

Nov 15 21:51:02 2001 (5617) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:52:01 2001 (5619) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:53:02 2001 (5621) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:54:02 2001 (5623) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:55:03 2001 (5625) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:56:01 2001 (5627) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:57:01 2001 (5629) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:58:01 2001 (5631) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 21:59:01 2001 (5633) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 22:00:02 2001 (5637) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 22:01:02 2001 (5641) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Nov 15 22:02:03 2001 (5643) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.371 seconds
Nov 15 22:02:05 2001 (5643) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 2.232 seconds
Nov 16 10:56:07 2001 (7558) smtp for 16 recips, completed in 5.724 seconds
Nov 16 10:56:07 2001 (7558) post to holoseis from jostein.lima at pgs.com, 
size=14

The above is a combination of the log files. It shows -I think- that qrunner 
crashes and leaves its locks. Thereafter it cannot start and logs this (once 
a minute). Then Something happens which removes the locks and everything 
works fine. 

This leads to 2 questions:
1. Why are the lock files not removed? (if that is because of qrunner 
crashing, then why does it crash?)
2. What event could remove the lock files and restore everything to its 
proper state?

-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From francis at wizvision.com  Tue Nov 20 09:56:52 2001
From: francis at wizvision.com (Francis Yap)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:56:52 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PHP integrating mailman
Message-ID: <017701c171a1$4c8962b0$1700000a@DarkKnight>

Hi,

Anyone has the slightest idea on how i can integrate mailman into a php
system.

As in i have a full portal developed in PHP, and in order to maintain the
look and feel i need it to be able to integrate. Changing the UI of mailman
is too tedious. So i am wondering if there is anyway that i can "include"
mailman into the site.

tks

rgds
Francis






From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Tue Nov 20 11:23:38 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:23:38 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the mailman cookie
Message-ID: <01112010233800.11714@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

How is mailmans authentification cookie encoded ?
Is it encrypted ?

- oliver




From pac at publishers-market.com  Tue Nov 20 10:29:34 2001
From: pac at publishers-market.com (Peter Conrad)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:29:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wildcard for member_posting_only ?
Message-ID: <20011120102934.F7057@lauda.treesign.com>

hi,

is there a way to allow for example a complete domain to a list, while
"member_posting_only" is set? I like to have all people from my domain
posting to a list, but only a few others.

Thanks

Peter



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 20 10:30:17 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:30:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain-Aliases from bind make problems
Message-ID: <20011120103017.A698@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
I've installed mailman on my local server (server.server0.de).
But I've also declared aliases for server in bind, like mail.server0.de,
www.server0.de, etc.

But now, when I go to http://www.server0.de/mailman/admin it's no problem,
but http://www.server0.de/mailman/listinfo showes no lists.
http://server.server0.de/mailman/listinfo showes the upsetted lists.
How can I say mailman that www.server0.de and mail.server0.de are also valid
adresses for listinfo? The biggest problem is that the IP 192.168.3.2 also
doesn't work. But I use iptables, and every inquiry to my webserver from the
inet is forwardet to 129.168.3.2. So it isn't possible to see the lists from
the inet. I think that mailman fetches the adress from the url which is given
in the address-line. So www.server0.de etc. aren't valid. But how can I add
domains/ip-addr? I really wanna add them for mailman, not only for mailinglist
xyz. So, in which configuration-file can I add them, and how?

Bye
 Jonas

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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 20 10:55:25 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:55:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems
Message-ID: <20011120105525.A1003@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
In the mailman-documentation I've read that I should put
mailman:root
mailinglist:mailman
mailinglist-request:mailman
etc. in /etc/mail/aliases.

But now, if so. sends a mail to mailinlist-request, the mail is in the
end forwardet to root, and mailman can't process it. What can I do?

Bye
 Jonas

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|   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 16:10:53 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:10:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems
References: <20011120105525.A1003@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <004701c171d5$8c6a6440$0b04010a@JCARNES>

When you create a list in Mailman it prints out the aliases that you need to
copy and then paste into your /etc/aliases file.

Here is an example of a list called HR:

  hr:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post hr"
  hr-admin:      "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner hr"
  hr-request:    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd hr"
  hr-owner:      hr-admin

And in my case the alias for mailman is...
   mailman:  jonc
   mailman-owner: mailman

That should do it... - Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonas Meurer" <jmeurer at gmx.de>
To: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:55 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems


> Hey ho,
> In the mailman-documentation I've read that I should put
> mailman:root
> mailinglist:mailman
> mailinglist-request:mailman
> etc. in /etc/mail/aliases.
>
> But now, if so. sends a mail to mailinlist-request, the mail is in the
> end forwardet to root, and mailman can't process it. What can I do?
>
> Bye
>  Jonas
>
> --
> |    .-.    |  2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin at mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org
> |    /v\    |  ******************************************************
> |  /(   )\  |  **** Linux is like a wigwam:                      ****
> |   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 16:19:35 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:19:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain-Aliases from bind make problems
References: <20011120103017.A698@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <004d01c171d6$c39386d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Check your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file  (and your Defaults.py file) for
your site.
===
# When true, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be the same address
as
# user at domain.  If set to 0, Mailman will consider user at host.domain to be
the
# same address as user at Host.DoMain, but different than user at domain.
Usernames
# will always be case preserved, and host parts of addresses will all be
# lowercased.
SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 1

# When set, the listinfo web page overview of lists on the machine will be
# confined to only those lists whose web_page_url configuration option host
is
# included within the URL by which the page is visited - only those "on the
# virtual host".  If unset, then all lists are included in the overview.
The
# admin page overview always includes all the lists.
VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1

===

So copy these settings into your mm_cfg.py file and then modify them as you
see fit!

Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonas Meurer" <jmeurer at gmx.de>
To: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:30 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Domain-Aliases from bind make problems


> Hey ho,
> I've installed mailman on my local server (server.server0.de).
> But I've also declared aliases for server in bind, like mail.server0.de,
> www.server0.de, etc.
>
> But now, when I go to http://www.server0.de/mailman/admin it's no problem,
> but http://www.server0.de/mailman/listinfo showes no lists.
> http://server.server0.de/mailman/listinfo showes the upsetted lists.
> How can I say mailman that www.server0.de and mail.server0.de are also
valid
> adresses for listinfo? The biggest problem is that the IP 192.168.3.2 also
> doesn't work. But I use iptables, and every inquiry to my webserver from
the
> inet is forwardet to 129.168.3.2. So it isn't possible to see the lists
from
> the inet. I think that mailman fetches the adress from the url which is
given
> in the address-line. So www.server0.de etc. aren't valid. But how can I
add
> domains/ip-addr? I really wanna add them for mailman, not only for
mailinglist
> xyz. So, in which configuration-file can I add them, and how?
>
> Bye
>  Jonas
>
> --
> |    .-.    |  2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin at mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org
> |    /v\    |  ******************************************************
> |  /(   )\  |  **** Linux is like a wigwam:                      ****
> |   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 16:27:02 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wildcard for member_posting_only ?
References: <20011120102934.F7057@lauda.treesign.com>
Message-ID: <005901c171d7$cd886560$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Straight from the archives.. a solution using a procmail filter in
~mailman/filters/...
Thanks to: Jo Brooks
===

Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
> Is there a simple way of only allowing posters
> from a given domain or domains?
> Eg can I use wildcards (eg *@*.tcd.ie) when specifying allowed posters?

I had to cook up a procmail filter and add it to the filters
directory.  Seems to have worked for the several lists that wanted
to implement it, so I must've gotten it right  :)

I'm rather new to procmail, so it took a whole lot of scouring thru
the mailman-users and majordomo-users archives at marc.theaimsgroup.com
but those examples helped immensely.   This is what I ended up with,
in a filter I called "restricts":

:0
* !^From:.*@.*\.dhl\.com
|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner ${MAILMAN}

:0
|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN}

and the alias entry looks like:

testing: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN='testing' /home/mailman/filters/r
estricts"

Hope this helps.


Jo Brooks
DHL Worldwide Express
Systems Support Group
===
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Conrad" <pac at publishers-market.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 4:29 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wildcard for member_posting_only ?


> hi,
>
> is there a way to allow for example a complete domain to a list, while
> "member_posting_only" is set? I like to have all people from my domain
> posting to a list, but only a few others.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 16:38:07 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed
References: <0111201006.AA1006245634@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
Message-ID: <006701c171d9$5a4a1150$0b04010a@JCARNES>

I've seen this happen when the Admin has the database for a list locked
while they make changes via the Web-interface.  Once they log out and
release their lock on the database then qrunner can access the list and send
the waiting messages.

I think it also happens when you send out to a large list and it takes
qrunner several minutes to process the list.  During that time, qrunner is
already running and will not let a second process acquire a lock on the
database that it is using.

Are you seeing any problems with Mailman - meaning is it locking up and not
delivering mail?

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucas Hofman" <lucas.hofman at pgs.com>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 3:43 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed


> Nov 15 21:51:02 2001 (5617) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:52:01 2001 (5619) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:53:02 2001 (5621) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:54:02 2001 (5623) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:55:03 2001 (5625) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:56:01 2001 (5627) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:57:01 2001 (5629) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:58:01 2001 (5631) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 21:59:01 2001 (5633) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 22:00:02 2001 (5637) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 22:01:02 2001 (5641) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Nov 15 22:02:03 2001 (5643) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 2.371 seconds
> Nov 15 22:02:05 2001 (5643) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 2.232 seconds
> Nov 16 10:56:07 2001 (7558) smtp for 16 recips, completed in 5.724 seconds
> Nov 16 10:56:07 2001 (7558) post to holoseis from jostein.lima at pgs.com,
> size=14
>
> The above is a combination of the log files. It shows -I think- that
qrunner
> crashes and leaves its locks. Thereafter it cannot start and logs this
(once
> a minute). Then Something happens which removes the locks and everything
> works fine.
>
> This leads to 2 questions:
> 1. Why are the lock files not removed? (if that is because of qrunner
> crashing, then why does it crash?)
> 2. What event could remove the lock files and restore everything to its
> proper state?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Lucas Hofman
> PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
> PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
> N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bkhl at anisakis.org  Tue Nov 20 16:49:48 2001
From: bkhl at anisakis.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Lindstr=F6m?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:49:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cookies in Mailman 2.0.7
Message-ID: <20011120164948.F31490@anisakis.org>

I recently upgraded from 2.0.6 to 2.0.7. I am running Mailman
with Python 2.0 under OpenBSD.

The problem is that in the web interface, Mailman gives the error
message: "Error decoding authorization cookie" after _each_
pageload, and asks for the password again.

When I try to change an option, I get the same page, but even if
I enter the password, the option is not changed.



From scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil  Tue Nov 20 17:19:38 2001
From: scott.armstrong at nvl.army.mil (Armstrong, Scott Mr CECOM RDEC NVESD)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invoking an external script when creating a list
Message-ID: <A3B12F15C7ECD4119C0F00508BF9E5986DE817@nvlex01.nvl.army.mil>

I'm in the process of switching from pipermail to an external archiver.
I've been trying to determine what program would need to be modified to call
a local script when a new list is created. I need to do some additional
housekeeping above and beyond that which is normally done. I believe I've
identified that the bin/newlist program invokes mlist.Create(listname,
owner_mail, pw) to actually create the list.
Can anyone tell me where that module is located so I can insert my own
handler into it? The Create module in MailMan/MailList.py has 4 parameters -
def Create(self, name, admin, crypted_password), but otherwise it would seem
the likely candidate.

Thanks,

Scott

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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 17:41:25 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:41:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cookies in Mailman 2.0.7
References: <20011120164948.F31490@anisakis.org>
Message-ID: <00b701c171e2$321acf90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

What browser are you running?  Have you tried it with different browsers?  I
ask, because some browsers are known to *not* store cookies properly.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bj?rn Lindstr?m" <bkhl at anisakis.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:49 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cookies in Mailman 2.0.7


> I recently upgraded from 2.0.6 to 2.0.7. I am running Mailman
> with Python 2.0 under OpenBSD.
>
> The problem is that in the web interface, Mailman gives the error
> message: "Error decoding authorization cookie" after _each_
> pageload, and asks for the password again.
>
> When I try to change an option, I get the same page, but even if
> I enter the password, the option is not changed.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Tue Nov 20 19:09:29 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:09:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cookies in Mailman 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <20011120164948.F31490@anisakis.org>
References: <20011120164948.F31490@anisakis.org>
Message-ID: <0111201809290J.11714@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Hello,

Maybe this is a "Konqueror" or "KDE" problem.
Mailman 2.0.7 don't work with the "Konqueror" browser.
I have successfully tested MM 2.0.7. for Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, MS-Explorer and 
Lynx.
Everyone works pretty good.
Only "Konqueror" gives the named error (see my posts to this list).
I have tried it for all relevant versions of "Konqueror", no success.


regards
Oliver
 


> I recently upgraded from 2.0.6 to 2.0.7. I am running Mailman
> with Python 2.0 under OpenBSD.
>
> The problem is that in the web interface, Mailman gives the error
> message: "Error decoding authorization cookie" after _each_
> pageload, and asks for the password again.
>
> When I try to change an option, I get the same page, but even if
> I enter the password, the option is not changed.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
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From p at dirac.org  Tue Nov 20 19:15:34 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:15:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about umbrella lists
Message-ID: <20011120101534.A26099@dirac.org>

hi all,

my linux user group runs 3 mailing lists: vox, vox-tech and vox-announce.

i would like all subscribers of vox and vox-tech to also be subscribed to
vox-announce (which only officers can post to).

the trouble is, if vox-announce is an umbrella list for both vox and
vox-announce, then people who belong to both vox and vox-tech will get two
copies of any posts that i make to vox-announce.

is there a way of suppressing these duplicate messages?

some people like to subscribe only to vox, some only to vox-tech and some to
both vox and vox-tech.   but in all of these cases, they should only receive
one copy of an email sent to vox-announce.

can this be done with mailman?

pete

-- 
"You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages
Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services ..."
                    -- Clause from license for FrontPage 2002



From p at dirac.org  Tue Nov 20 19:24:19 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:24:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archive question
Message-ID: <20011120102419.A30817@dirac.org>

i noticed that *searchable* archives are on the wishlist.

imho, an archive is almost useless without some kind of search mechanism.

is there an ETA for this feature?

pete

-- 
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Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services ..."
                    -- Clause from license for FrontPage 2002



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 20 19:25:55 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 19:25:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems
In-Reply-To: <20011120105525.A1003@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011120105525.A1003@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20011120192555.A3481@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
Ok, I've changed the entry's in /etc/aliases, and made newaliases, but now
I get an error-message per mail:
------------------------------------
[-- Attachment #1 --]
[-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.4K --]

The original message was received at Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:54:02 +0100
from root at testsystem.server0.de [192.168.3.12]

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dev"
       (reason: 2)
       (expanded from: <dev-request at server.server0.de>)

----- Transcript of session follows -----
      Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)      554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

[-- Attachment #2 --]
[-- Type: message/delivery-status, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.4K --]

Reporting-MTA: dns; server.server0.de
Received-From-MTA: DNS; testsystem.server0.de
Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:54:02 +0100

Final-Recipient: RFC822; dev-request at server.server0.de
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dev
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:54:03 +0100

[-- Attachment #3 --]
[-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 2.3K --]

From: Jonas Meurer <jmeurer at gmx.de>
To: dev-request at server.server0.de
Subject: Re: Dev -- confirmation of subscription -- request 469524

On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 01:30:05PM +0100, dev-request at server.server0.de wrote:
> Dev -- confirmation of subscription -- request 469524
[Here it quotes my message.]
---------------------------------------

I think the important point is
----- Transcript of session follows -----
      Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)      554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2

gid 1 is deamon, gid 8 is mail. Why mail? Where can I say that mailman+daemon
are allowed to exec /home/mailman/mail/wrapper?

Thanks + bye
  Jonas


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From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 19:37:55 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:37:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about umbrella lists
References: <20011120101534.A26099@dirac.org>
Message-ID: <00f201c171f2$782bdf50$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This question should be in the FAQ.  It is certainly in the archives enough.

Umbrella list don't do what you are looking for. Look through the archives
and you will find a nice little script that does exactly what you want.  The
script uses the ~mailman/bin/sync_members to move users from various other
lists into one super list.

In your case, list out the users of vox to a file, then append the users of
vox-tech to the same file. Now feed that file into sync_members to
create/update the list vox-announce.  This will populate vox-announce with
all the users of your other two lists, and Mailman will automagically toss
out any duplicate entries.

Run the script out of cron every hour and you'll be in good shape.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Jay Salzman" <p at dirac.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:15 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about umbrella lists


> hi all,
>
> my linux user group runs 3 mailing lists: vox, vox-tech and vox-announce.
>
> i would like all subscribers of vox and vox-tech to also be subscribed to
> vox-announce (which only officers can post to).
>
> the trouble is, if vox-announce is an umbrella list for both vox and
> vox-announce, then people who belong to both vox and vox-tech will get two
> copies of any posts that i make to vox-announce.
>
> is there a way of suppressing these duplicate messages?
>
> some people like to subscribe only to vox, some only to vox-tech and some
to
> both vox and vox-tech.   but in all of these cases, they should only
receive
> one copy of an email sent to vox-announce.
>
> can this be done with mailman?
>
> pete
>
> --
> "You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages
> Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services ..."
>                     -- Clause from license for FrontPage 2002
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From p at dirac.org  Tue Nov 20 19:42:36 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:42:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <00f201c171f2$782bdf50$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20011120101534.A26099@dirac.org> <00f201c171f2$782bdf50$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20011120104236.A8725@dirac.org>

begin: Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> quote
> This question should be in the FAQ.  It is certainly in the archives enough.
 
heh.  the first thing i did was look at the FAQ.   :-)

went to the archives, but to be honest, searching through 20 or 30 months for
something which may not be there seemed ... harsh.

now that i know it's in there, somewhere :), i'll start poking around.

thank you for the info!!!

pete

> Umbrella list don't do what you are looking for. Look through the archives
> and you will find a nice little script that does exactly what you want.  The
> script uses the ~mailman/bin/sync_members to move users from various other
> lists into one super list.
> 
> In your case, list out the users of vox to a file, then append the users of
> vox-tech to the same file. Now feed that file into sync_members to
> create/update the list vox-announce.  This will populate vox-announce with
> all the users of your other two lists, and Mailman will automagically toss
> out any duplicate entries.
> 
> Run the script out of cron every hour and you'll be in good shape.
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Jay Salzman" <p at dirac.org>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:15 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about umbrella lists
> 
> 
> > hi all,
> >
> > my linux user group runs 3 mailing lists: vox, vox-tech and vox-announce.
> >
> > i would like all subscribers of vox and vox-tech to also be subscribed to
> > vox-announce (which only officers can post to).
> >
> > the trouble is, if vox-announce is an umbrella list for both vox and
> > vox-announce, then people who belong to both vox and vox-tech will get two
> > copies of any posts that i make to vox-announce.
> >
> > is there a way of suppressing these duplicate messages?
> >
> > some people like to subscribe only to vox, some only to vox-tech and some
> to
> > both vox and vox-tech.   but in all of these cases, they should only
> receive
> > one copy of an email sent to vox-announce.
> >
> > can this be done with mailman?
> >
> > pete
> >
> > --
> > "You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages
> > Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services ..."
> >                     -- Clause from license for FrontPage 2002
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
"You may not use the Software in connection with any site that disparages
Microsoft, MSN, MSNBC, Expedia, or their products or services ..."
                    -- Clause from license for FrontPage 2002



From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 19:45:55 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:45:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems
References: <20011120105525.A1003@testsystem.server0.de> <20011120192555.A3481@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <010401c171f3$96b28cc0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

That message my friend comes from the mailman wrapper itself.  To change it
you will have to recompile... Here is more of the message (straight from the
code of the wrapper program):
   The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did
   not match the gid as set by the Web server.
   The most likely cause is that Mailman was
   configured and installed incorrectly.  Please
   read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
   attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure
   option.  This entry is being stored in your syslog:

So re-install from the source!  It is really easy to do....

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonas Meurer" <jmeurer at gmx.de>
To: "mailman-users" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems


> Hey ho,
> Ok, I've changed the entry's in /etc/aliases, and made newaliases, but now
> I get an error-message per mail:
> ------------------------------------
> [-- Attachment #1 --]
> [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.4K --]
>
> The original message was received at Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:54:02 +0100
> from root at testsystem.server0.de [192.168.3.12]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dev"
>        (reason: 2)
>        (expanded from: <dev-request at server.server0.de>)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>       Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to
take 1?)      554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> [-- Attachment #2 --]
> [-- Type: message/delivery-status, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.4K --]
>
> Reporting-MTA: dns; server.server0.de
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; testsystem.server0.de
> Arrival-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:54:02 +0100
>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; dev-request at server.server0.de
> X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dev
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 2
> Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:54:03 +0100
>
> [-- Attachment #3 --]
> [-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 2.3K --]
>
> From: Jonas Meurer <jmeurer at gmx.de>
> To: dev-request at server.server0.de
> Subject: Re: Dev -- confirmation of subscription -- request 469524
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 01:30:05PM +0100, dev-request at server.server0.de
wrote:
> > Dev -- confirmation of subscription -- request 469524
> [Here it quotes my message.]
> ---------------------------------------
>
> I think the important point is
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>       Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to
take 1?)      554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 2
>
> gid 1 is deamon, gid 8 is mail. Why mail? Where can I say that
mailman+daemon
> are allowed to exec /home/mailman/mail/wrapper?
>
> Thanks + bye
>   Jonas
>
>
> --
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> |    /v\    |  ******************************************************
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> |   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Tue Nov 20 19:49:08 2001
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:49:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed
In-Reply-To: <0111201006.AA1006245634@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
References: <0111201006.AA1006245634@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
Message-ID: <p05100304b82054e979fc@[216.162.173.6]>

>Nov 15 21:51:02 2001 (5617) Could not acquire qrunner lock

This is probably normal behavior.  qrunner starts up from cron once a 
minute.  If there is a lock file laying around, it knows that an 
older qrunner is still active, and shuts itself down.

That being said, this message worried me too, and it's not the first 
time I have seen this question asked.  Maybe we could get a 
friendlier log message here?

Also, I recall older versions of Mailman having locking problems, 
that ended up with a lot of stale locks laying around.

	- H

-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov 20 20:17:18 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:17:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about umbrella lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Jay Salzman <p@dirac.org> 
   of "Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:15:34 PST." <20011120101534.A26099@dirac.org> 
References: <20011120101534.A26099@dirac.org> 
Message-ID: <3781.1006283838@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:15:34 -0800 
Peter Jay Salzman <p at dirac.org> wrote:

> some people like to subscribe only to vox, some only to vox-tech
> and some to both vox and vox-tech.  but in all of these cases,
> they should only receive one copy of an email sent to
> vox-announce.

You are missing the other case:  The people who are subscribe to vox
and vox-tech and explicitly want/demand to get two copies of
messages sent to vox-announce (one each for vox and vox-tech).
While I'm not subscribed to your lists, I do demand such from the
lists I'm on.

> can this be done with mailman?

Currently, no.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov 20 20:18:04 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:18:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archive question 
In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Jay Salzman <p@dirac.org> 
   of "Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:24:19 PST." <20011120102419.A30817@dirac.org> 
References: <20011120102419.A30817@dirac.org> 
Message-ID: <3816.1006283884@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:24:19 -0800 
Peter Jay Salzman <p at dirac.org> wrote:

> i noticed that *searchable* archives are on the wishlist.  

They are searchable -- you just need to use external (to Mailman)
search tools.

> is there an ETA for this feature?

Nope.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From sektie at codersluts.net  Tue Nov 20 20:28:01 2001
From: sektie at codersluts.net (Randi Tanner)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:28:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd alias problem
Message-ID: <00b301c171f9$8a8ac470$6404010a@pixistix>

Ok, I'm new to mailman, so if I'm missing something big, try to explain it
in small words. ;)

I'm installing mailman to handle 2 mailing lists for a webhosting company. I
need to have 3 admins for each list. One of the lists is called
linux-security. When I created this list, I gave it the admin email of
linux-admin at list.whatever.com. linux-admin is actually an alias. In
/etc/mail/aliases:

linux-admin:   sektie, lelon, andys

This only gets sent to users lelon and andy, however. If I send an email to
linux-admin, it goes to all three of us. If mailman sends it, it only gets
sent to lelon and andy. The only way mailman will send me an email is if I
am the only user listed. Any ideas why this is happening?

Randi





From dan at ssc.com  Tue Nov 20 20:27:21 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:27:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed
In-Reply-To: <p05100304b82054e979fc@[216.162.173.6]>
References: <0111201006.AA1006245634@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> <p05100304b82054e979fc@[216.162.173.6]>
Message-ID: <20011120112720.A6980@ssc.com>

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 10:49:08AM -0800, Harold Paulson wrote:
> 
> >Nov 15 21:51:02 2001 (5617) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> 
> This is probably normal behavior.  qrunner starts up from cron once a 
> minute.  If there is a lock file laying around, it knows that an 
> older qrunner is still active, and shuts itself down.
> 
> That being said, this message worried me too, and it's not the first 
> time I have seen this question asked.  Maybe we could get a 
> friendlier log message here?
> 
> Also, I recall older versions of Mailman having locking problems, 
> that ended up with a lot of stale locks laying around.

Any chance the lockfile might record, say, a PID, or some other
identifying information which would allow a new invocation of
qrunner to determine whether the lock is stale, and simply remove
it if so?  

If memory (forgettery?) serves, that's what UUCP (do I betray my age?) 
did.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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 Seattle, WA  98155-0549    URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/
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From bkhl at anisakis.org  Tue Nov 20 20:33:00 2001
From: bkhl at anisakis.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Lindstr=F6m?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:33:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cookies in Mailman 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <0111201809290J.11714@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <20011120164948.F31490@anisakis.org> <0111201809290J.11714@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <20011120203300.I31490@anisakis.org>

Oliver Egginger <Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de> [011120 18:08]:
> Maybe this is a "Konqueror" or "KDE" problem.  Mailman 2.0.7
> don't work with the "Konqueror" browser.  I have successfully
> tested MM 2.0.7. for Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, MS-Explorer and
> Lynx.

Yes, that was it. In Links it works fine.



From vspadaro at jdventerprises.net  Tue Nov 20 20:38:45 2001
From: vspadaro at jdventerprises.net (Victor Spadaro)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:38:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MacOSX and BSD
Message-ID: <35E5F56C-DDEE-11D5-B72E-0003931519A2@jdventerprises.net>

Has anyone, besides apple, installed mailman on an Mac OSX Server BSD 
box? If yes how? Help!

TIA

Vic





From andres at photoplankton.com  Tue Nov 20 20:55:07 2001
From: andres at photoplankton.com (Andres L. Figari)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 11:55:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd alias problem
References: <00b301c171f9$8a8ac470$6404010a@pixistix>
Message-ID: <008601c171fd$41e6e4c0$f5500740@photoplankton.com>

Hi Randi,

I'm kind of new.  But I think the problem is that your list-admin needs to
look more like this n the aliases (example of one of mine):

wbmutbb-digest-admin:    "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
wbmutbb-digest"

Perhaps plaining with the meaning of "mailowner" or via the web interface is
how to best do what you want.

Andres Figari
System Administrator
1-HOST Web Hosting
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randi Tanner" <sektie at codersluts.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 11:28 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd alias problem


> Ok, I'm new to mailman, so if I'm missing something big, try to explain it
> in small words. ;)
>
> I'm installing mailman to handle 2 mailing lists for a webhosting company.
I
> need to have 3 admins for each list. One of the lists is called
> linux-security. When I created this list, I gave it the admin email of
> linux-admin at list.whatever.com. linux-admin is actually an alias. In
> /etc/mail/aliases:
>
> linux-admin:   sektie, lelon, andys
>
> This only gets sent to users lelon and andy, however. If I send an email
to
> linux-admin, it goes to all three of us. If mailman sends it, it only gets
> sent to lelon and andy. The only way mailman will send me an email is if I
> am the only user listed. Any ideas why this is happening?
>
> Randi
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 21:11:18 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:11:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd alias problem
References: <00b301c171f9$8a8ac470$6404010a@pixistix>
Message-ID: <017001c171ff$83efe220$0b04010a@JCARNES>

My guess is that he has some sort of spam filter setup.

In the web admin on the General Options page, try removing the
Linux-admin at list.whatever.com from the Admin list and instead put the email
addresses of each of the individuals (one per line).  That should work just
fine, and then Mailman will be mailing the users directly - so you might
actually make it past his spam filter.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randi Tanner" <sektie at codersluts.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:28 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd alias problem


> Ok, I'm new to mailman, so if I'm missing something big, try to explain it
> in small words. ;)
>
> I'm installing mailman to handle 2 mailing lists for a webhosting company.
I
> need to have 3 admins for each list. One of the lists is called
> linux-security. When I created this list, I gave it the admin email of
> linux-admin at list.whatever.com. linux-admin is actually an alias. In
> /etc/mail/aliases:
>
> linux-admin:   sektie, lelon, andys
>
> This only gets sent to users lelon and andy, however. If I send an email
to
> linux-admin, it goes to all three of us. If mailman sends it, it only gets
> sent to lelon and andy. The only way mailman will send me an email is if I
> am the only user listed. Any ideas why this is happening?
>
> Randi
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 20 21:16:53 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:16:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed
References: <0111201006.AA1006245634@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> <p05100304b82054e979fc@[216.162.173.6]> <20011120112720.A6980@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <017a01c17200$4b818370$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The lock files all end with the process ID.  Which makes it easy to stop the
processes and remove the locks.  Here's a small script that does just that:

#!/bin/bash
# Kill current Mailman processes and then remove lock files
# Jeff B is running a misconfigured browser and locks up the admin interface
# on a daily basis...  Jon C
for i in `ls /home/mailman/locks |cut -f7 -d. `; do kill $i; done
rm -f /home/mailman/locks/*

I'm fairly certain that I *don't* want qrunner to try and guess whether a
process is dead or simply waiting for a response.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Wilder" <dan at ssc.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed


> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 10:49:08AM -0800, Harold Paulson wrote:
> >
> > >Nov 15 21:51:02 2001 (5617) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> >
> > This is probably normal behavior.  qrunner starts up from cron once a
> > minute.  If there is a lock file laying around, it knows that an
> > older qrunner is still active, and shuts itself down.
> >
> > That being said, this message worried me too, and it's not the first
> > time I have seen this question asked.  Maybe we could get a
> > friendlier log message here?
> >
> > Also, I recall older versions of Mailman having locking problems,
> > that ended up with a lot of stale locks laying around.
>
> Any chance the lockfile might record, say, a PID, or some other
> identifying information which would allow a new invocation of
> qrunner to determine whether the lock is stale, and simply remove
> it if so?
>
> If memory (forgettery?) serves, that's what UUCP (do I betray my age?)
> did.
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Dan Wilder <dan at ssc.com>   Technical Manager & Editor
>  SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549   Phone:  206-782-8808
>  Seattle, WA  98155-0549    URL http://embedded.linuxjournal.com/
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 20 21:27:14 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 21:27:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems
In-Reply-To: <010401c171f3$96b28cc0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20011120105525.A1003@testsystem.server0.de> <20011120192555.A3481@testsystem.server0.de> <010401c171f3$96b28cc0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20011120212714.B4522@testsystem.server0.de>

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:45:55PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> That message my friend comes from the mailman wrapper itself.  To change it
> you will have to recompile... Here is more of the message (straight from the
> code of the wrapper program):

Mhm, no problem...

>    The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did
>    not match the gid as set by the Web server.

No, the problem isn't the cgi-gid. I've changed the gid in httpd.conf, and
on web-base everything workes well, but the problem is the exec-wrapper-gid.
Where can I change this gid?

>    The most likely cause is that Mailman was
>    configured and installed incorrectly.  Please
>    read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
>    attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure
>    option.  This entry is being stored in your syslog:

I've allready done this. ;(

Bye
 Jonas

-- 
|    .-.    |  2nd mail: bilbo.beutlin at mail.de | jmeurer.dnsalias.org
|    /v\    |  ******************************************************
|  /(   )\  |  **** Linux is like a wigwam:                      ****
|   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****



From joel at webbgroup.net  Tue Nov 20 21:54:23 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:54:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Virtual Hosting
Message-ID: <200111202054.fAKKsOq20699@mail.webbgroup.net>

I am trying to move an old Mailman list to a virtual host.

Is there a way to have a virtual list serve?? 

I have the virtual email addresses working with the Mailman aliases in the 
/etc/vmail/ file

I also wanted to the regular /etc/aliases to point to the new virtual host aliases 
in order to move the list over smoothly.

But, do I have to redirect the email addresses in the normal /etc/aliases file 
normally the same as in the /etc/vmail/ file??

-- 
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241



From p at dirac.org  Tue Nov 20 22:02:54 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:02:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recovering from faulty base url for mailman web interface
Message-ID: <20011120130254.B11810@dirac.org>

hi all,

i'm a list manager (not site administrator).  i fsck'ed up and put the wrong
url for the base mailman url.

i noticed a file /home/mailman/lists/vox/config.db, which i don't have read
or write permissions to.  is this where list configs are stored?  is it a
berkeley db file?

is there a way to recover from screwing up the base mailman url for this list
without contacting the site administrator?

i'm sure this question gets asked every once in a while.  sorry for asking
it.  :( i checked the faq.  the site doesn't seem to have any mailman
documentation:

  [vox]$ locate mailman | grep -i doc
  [vox]$ 

also, the list administrator docs link on http://www.list.org/mgrs.html
seems to be down.     :(

pete

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From p at dirac.org  Tue Nov 20 22:06:05 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:06:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Virtual Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200111202054.fAKKsOq20699@mail.webbgroup.net>
References: <200111202054.fAKKsOq20699@mail.webbgroup.net>
Message-ID: <20011120130605.A12609@dirac.org>

i found this on the archives while searching for something else.  thought it
was useful, so i cut-n-pasted it to a file for future keeping.   might be
(part of) what you're looking for.

pete



> The feature list mentions support for virtual domains.  And how does one
> make mailman aware of virtual domains?  I can find no documentation on
> creating a list with a virtual domain.  It would be nice of the links that
> go out in the list managers first email after the list was created included
> the urls __for that virtual domain__.  I don't mind taking care of the web
> server side of things, but it seems to me like there is no *real* virtual
> domain support in mailman.  Someone please tell me where I'm going wrong!

Some folks have pointed out that by setting the host_name value on each list
makes it work fine for vhosts.  I've never tried it.  I went a different
route instead: different installations, on the same machine, same user ID,
just different directories.  It works for me.  <list>@domainA.com is
different than <list>@domainB.com (where <list> is the same name and both
domains are hosted on the same physical machine)

  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130



begin: Joel Webb <joel at webbgroup.net> quote
> I am trying to move an old Mailman list to a virtual host.
> 
> Is there a way to have a virtual list serve?? 
> 
> I have the virtual email addresses working with the Mailman aliases in the 
> /etc/vmail/ file
> 
> I also wanted to the regular /etc/aliases to point to the new virtual host aliases 
> in order to move the list over smoothly.
> 
> But, do I have to redirect the email addresses in the normal /etc/aliases file 
> normally the same as in the /etc/vmail/ file??



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Tue Nov 20 22:46:44 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] recovering from faulty base url for mailman web interface
In-Reply-To: <20011120130254.B11810@dirac.org>
References: <20011120130254.B11810@dirac.org>
Message-ID: <01112016464400.01190@anncons.nc.rr.com>

You are probably going to need the site admin to help you out.

There are two easy ways to recover from this:
  - replace the config.db with the config.db.bak (the last known good 
version of the database...)  The files are in each lists directory: 
~mailman/lists/<list-name>/...
  - Create a link (or series of links) in your directory structure to mimic 
the URL you punched in to the Admin site.  You might even need to play with 
the /etc/hosts file to point the domain name to the proper place.  Remember 
to set VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 1 in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file

You should also be able to use the ~mailman/bin/config_list command to 
output the configuration, edit it, then read it back in again.  I think 
this would be a harder option.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 16:02, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> hi all,
>
> i'm a list manager (not site administrator).  i fsck'ed up and put the
> wrong url for the base mailman url.
>
> i noticed a file /home/mailman/lists/vox/config.db, which i don't have
> read or write permissions to.  is this where list configs are stored?  is
> it a berkeley db file?
>
> is there a way to recover from screwing up the base mailman url for this
> list without contacting the site administrator?
>
> i'm sure this question gets asked every once in a while.  sorry for
> asking it.  :( i checked the faq.  the site doesn't seem to have any
> mailman documentation:
>
>   [vox]$ locate mailman | grep -i doc
>   [vox]$
>
> also, the list administrator docs link on http://www.list.org/mgrs.html
> seems to be down.     :(
>
> pete



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Tue Nov 20 23:03:58 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:03:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-aliases make problems
In-Reply-To: <010401c171f3$96b28cc0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <20011120105525.A1003@testsystem.server0.de> <20011120192555.A3481@testsystem.server0.de> <010401c171f3$96b28cc0$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <20011120230358.C4914@testsystem.server0.de>

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:45:55PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>    configured and installed incorrectly.  Please
>    read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close
>    attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure
>    option.  This entry is being stored in your syslog:
> So re-install from the source!  It is really easy to do....

--with-mail-gid was the problem.
Thanks to all!

Bye
 Jonas

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From nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au  Wed Nov 21 00:32:36 2001
From: nigel at cofa.unsw.edu.au (Nigel Kersten)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:32:36 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MacOSX and BSD
In-Reply-To: <35E5F56C-DDEE-11D5-B72E-0003931519A2@jdventerprises.net>
Message-ID: <B8213343.1D20%nigel@cofa.unsw.edu.au>

I have it all running, but on Mac OS X 10.1.1, not Server.

What's going wrong?

You need to carefully read the Mailman docs. I had to run through the
configure/make process several times until I got the right options.

This is the configure command I used to get Mailman to install.


./configure  \
--prefix=/usr/local/mailman \
--with-username=34567 \
--with-groupname=34567 \
--with-cgi-gid=-2 \
--with-mail-gid=-2


The username and groupname ids are for the mailman user/group that I
created, I assigned 34567 as the gid/uid.


All I needed to compile Python was:

./configure  --with-dyld

But I think this was because I built on a UFS partition, as there is some
case sensitivity issue.


Let me know if you need a hand...


Nigel





On 21/11/01 6:38 AM, "Victor Spadaro" <vspadaro at jdventerprises.net> wrote:

> Has anyone, besides apple, installed mailman on an Mac OSX Server BSD
> box? If yes how? Help!
> 
> TIA
> 
> Vic
> _______________________________________________
> macos-x-server mailing list
> macos-x-server at lists.apple.com
> http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/macos-x-server
> 




From john at nisus.com  Wed Nov 21 01:22:02 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:22:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Subscription
Message-ID: <l03130303b820a34a9721@[207.215.130.171]>

> sure, just send mail to <listname>-request at yourdomain.com
> with the subject "subscribe"  <sans the quotes>

And does the sysadmin have to have set up a username
listname-request
for this to work?  Otherwise, wouldn't it just get
rejected with user not found or some such?

[Taking great glee in adding spamsters to the list in
mm_cfg.py and wondering why that doesn't seem to be
happening to this list.]

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 21 02:12:44 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 20:12:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email Subscription
In-Reply-To: <l03130303b820a34a9721@[207.215.130.171]>
References: <l03130303b820a34a9721@[207.215.130.171]>
Message-ID: <01112020124401.01317@anncons.nc.rr.com>

> And does the sysadmin have to have set up a username
> listname-request
> for this to work?  Otherwise, wouldn't it just get
> rejected with user not found or some such?
>
No.

If your MTA is sendmail or sendmail compatable then it checks first in 
/etc/aliases for any aliases (or address translations):
  mailman:  jonc
  abuse:  jonc
  ithelp:  jonc, jaimiel, lward
  
In the above example abuse, ithelp, and mailman are not users on the 
system, but jonc, jaimiel, and lward are users on the system. 

  
  



From donal.hunt at dcu.ie  Wed Nov 21 11:33:59 2001
From: donal.hunt at dcu.ie (Donal Hunt)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:33:59 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & LDAP
References: <E1660TZ-0004ix-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3BFB8317.9A1890D0@dcu.ie>

I actually finished writing a patch for Mailman 2.0.2 during the summer
which worked just fine.
I'm starting work on the Mailman 2.1 authenticator in the near future
and should be ready around the end of December (could be a busy
christmas!!).

If anyone has an specific requirements for how Mailman & LDAP combine
drop me a mail.  For example I'm guessing most poeople will want to
integrate with an already existing directory service... Getting the
requirements for the authenticator right (there might be a need for 2
types) is key to it working for people - ie NDS, openldap, etc
differences.

Regards

Donal Hunt
--Sysops--
DCU

>From Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1588 - 20 msgs:

Message-ID: <01da01c17134$c07d9be0$0b04010a at JCARNES>
From: "Jon Carnes" <jonc at haht.com>
To: <jorge.llacer at bt.es>, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & LDAP
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:59:52 -0500

Looks like the LDAP plug-in will be quite popular once someone writes
it...

----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: <jorge.llacer at bt.es>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & LDAP


> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:09:06 +0100
> jorge llacer <jorge.llacer at bt.es> wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to interface Mailman with a user database stored in
> > a LDAP server?
>
> In the upcoming 2.1, yes, given that you/someone writes an adaptor
> for LDAP (there's a plugin layer).
>
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ale at ccuec.unicamp.br  Wed Nov 21 13:00:19 2001
From: ale at ccuec.unicamp.br (Alessandro Luiz Petrocino)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:00:19 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error delivering mails on Mailman 2.0.6
Message-ID: <3BFB9753.F5AE7967@ccuec.unicamp.br>

Hi, guys !


I have a problem ...

In my error file (/usr/local/mailman/logs/error), i received the
following error:

Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463): Traceback (innermost last):
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):      kids = main(lock)
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):      if
BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in
ScanMessages
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):      addrs = func(msg)
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463):      if string.lower(msg.gettype())
<> 'multipart/report' or \
Nov 21 09:56:06 2001 qrunner(6463): TypeError :  read-only character
buffer, None


And I have over 3000 messages "stuked" in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles ...
No one message was delivered for the users ... since November 14 ...

How can I fix this problem ?!?


Thank's
Alessandro Luiz Petrocino




From p at dirac.org  Wed Nov 21 18:03:02 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:03:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not being told of pending administrative requests
Message-ID: <20011121090302.C20221@dirac.org>

hi there,

people need "confirm+approval" to subscribe to my list.

i have "should admin get immediate notice of new requests" set to "yes".
and the list admin's email address is correctly set to me.

however:

1. user subscribes to list
2. user gets confirmation notice
3. user replies to confirmation notice
4. i get no email that there's a pending request waiting for me

the only way to learn of the pending request is to visit the admin page.
since i'd like to respond to requests quickly, this is kind of a nuissance.
i really would like to know when i need to take care of subscription
requests.

are there issues with getting immediate notices of pending administrative
requests?  any gotchas that i should be aware of?   is there anything i can
check which can be screwing this up?

pete

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From barry at zope.com  Wed Nov 21 18:07:33 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:07:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error delivering mails on Mailman 2.0.6
References: <3BFB9753.F5AE7967@ccuec.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <15355.57173.376926.536346@anthem.wooz.org>

Upgrade to Mailman 2.0.7, which fixes this problem.

-Barry



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Wed Nov 21 18:42:36 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:42:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to subscribe
Message-ID: <20011121184236.A4323@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
I've set up mailman correctly and now I'm at the point where no errors
are reported any longer. For testing I've set up a test-mailinglist,
and I"ve subscribed myself at the webinterface. I got the message I had
to confirm, but now mailman sends no message that I'm subscribed.
At the webinterface mailman also says "no subscribers".
What could be the problem?

Bye
 Jonas
 
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From p at dirac.org  Wed Nov 21 19:16:26 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:16:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] welcome msg is seriously fscked up under opera
Message-ID: <20011121101625.A21553@dirac.org>

hi all,

here's the welcome message for my list:

Here are the rules:

   1. Don't send HTML email.  Don't send attachments to the list.
   
   2. No flaming.
   
   3. The list manager is Peter Jay Salzman <p at dirac.org>.  Think of him as
   the "system administrator" for this list.
   
   4. vox can be be high volume for short spurts.  If the list traffic gets
   heavy, please think twice before posting to the list until the traffic
   calms down.
   
   5. Avoid one-liners.  No me-too posts (unless you're trying to make a funny).
   
   6. Trim quotes on vox.  Don't trim quotes on vox-tech.  NEVER TRIM
   ATTRIBUTIONS -- If you're replying to a post, leave the identity of the
   poster intact!!
   
   7. You are expected to follow Khendon's Law:  If the same point is made
   twice by the same person, the thread is over.


when submitting this under opera, it puts multiple newlines between all these
lines.   it looks something like:


   Welcome to the vox at lists.lugod.org mailing list! Here are the rules:
   Subject: Welcome to the "vox" mailing list
   From: vox-request at lists.lugod.org
   To: p at dirac.org
   X-No-Archive: yes
   X-Ack: no
   Sender: vox-admin at lists.lugod.org
   Errors-To: vox-admin at lists.lugod.org
   X-BeenThere: vox at lists.lugod.org
   X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.7
   Precedence: bulk
   List-Help: <mailto:vox-request at lists.lugod.org?subject=help>
   List-Post: <mailto:vox at lists.lugod.org>
   List-Subscribe: <http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox>,
           <mailto:vox-request at lists.lugod.org?subject=subscribe>
   List-Id: lugod's free for all mailing list <vox.lists.lugod.org>
   List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox>,
           <mailto:vox-request at lists.lugod.org?subject=unsubscribe>
   
   
   
   
   
   1. Don't send HTML email.  Don't send attachments to the list.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   2. No flaming.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   3. The list manager is Peter Jay Salzman <p at dirac.org>.  Think of him
   as the "system administrator" for this list.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   4. vox can be be high volume for short spurts.  If the list traffic
   gets heavy, please think twice before posting to the list until the
   traffic calms down.



you get the picture.   there are two problems here:

1. submitting the form interface via opera inserts alot of funky newlines
2. the first line gets prepended to some headers.   this happened under
   mozilla too, and i fixed it by putting a blank line before the first line
   of the welcome message.

has anyone else encountered this problem?   any ideas on what could be
fscking up the form interface so badly?

pete



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Nov 21 20:14:39 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:14:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not being told of pending administrative requests
In-Reply-To: <20011121090302.C20221@dirac.org>
References: <20011121090302.C20221@dirac.org>
Message-ID: <20011121141439.A1512@mems-exchange.org>

On 21 November 2001, Peter Jay Salzman said:
> i have "should admin get immediate notice of new requests" set to "yes".
> and the list admin's email address is correctly set to me.
> 
> however:
> 
> 1. user subscribes to list
> 2. user gets confirmation notice
> 3. user replies to confirmation notice
> 4. i get no email that there's a pending request waiting for me

What version of Mailman?  What version of Python?  What OS?  What MTA,
and what version of the MTA?

> are there issues with getting immediate notices of pending administrative
> requests?  any gotchas that i should be aware of?   is there anything i can
> check which can be screwing this up?

Hard to know without the above data.

First thing to try is tail Mailman's logs and your MTAs log(s) as a
subscribe request is made.  Mailman's logs are in ~mailman/logs; I would
just tail all of them.  (GNU tail is your friend: "tail -f *" actually
works!)

        Greg



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Thu Nov 22 00:02:02 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 00:02:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob-problem (was: not able to subscribe)
In-Reply-To: <20011121184236.A4323@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011121184236.A4323@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20011122000202.A6287@testsystem.server0.de>

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 06:42:36PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> [...]
> What could be the problem?

Ok, I've located the problem. It is the qrunner-cronjob. In the crontab
from user mailman the following line is listed:
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

My /var/log/cron.log reports every minute, and that's why it could be the
mailman-qrunner-cronjob:
Nov 21 23:51:01 server CRON[14002]: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.

What's the problem?
I really have no idea.

Bye
 Jonas

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From camvida at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 02:23:40 2001
From: camvida at yahoo.com (Daniel Vickers)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:23:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems After Install
Message-ID: <001401c172f4$52a02c20$0200a8c0@bladeir>

I know this one has probably been answered before and I'm sorry if it has, but I wasn't able to find it in the archive. So Here Goes.

I just installed Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat 7.1... The Mailman file I used was a RPM that was included in the PowerTools CD. Any ways, from what I can tell, everything installed just fine. I was even able to add a test list. But, I am new to these web add ons like mail man and others, and am not queite sure how to work the web pages. The documentation didn't realy have anything available on how to implementat the web pages. For a somewhat beginer that can be kinda discouraging. Any ways, I need to get some help on implimantating the web pages and making sure everything is setup ok. I am willing to setup an account for the person to help me with this and so they can check the configuration, so I know if I did something wrong. Also if you would like to contact me by ICQ, my ICQ # is 21768684. This is also a good way to tell when my server is online. I am having major problems with my satalite provider and therefor suspended my account untill they fix the problem, so for right now, I am running on a 56k modem, and therefor not always online. So feel free to check my ICQ. If you need any further information about my setup, you can contact me at this email or ICQ.

Thanks in advance,
Daniel
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From danielv at matrixir.no-ip.com  Thu Nov 22 02:36:38 2001
From: danielv at matrixir.no-ip.com (Daniel Vickers)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:36:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems/Questions after install
Message-ID: <004401c172f6$23692860$0200a8c0@bladeir>

I know this one has probably been answered before and I'm sorry if it
has, but I wasn't able to find it in the archive. So Here Goes.

I just installed Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat 7.1... The Mailman file I used
was a RPM that was included in the PowerTools CD. Any ways, from what I
can tell, everything installed just fine. I was even able to add a test
list. But, I am new to these web add ons like mail man and others, and
am not queite sure how to work the web pages. The documentation didn't
realy have anything available on how to implementat the web pages. For a
somewhat beginer that can be kinda discouraging. Any ways, I need to get
some help on implimantating the web pages and making sure everything is
setup ok. I am willing to setup an account for the person to help me
with this and so they can check the configuration, so I know if I did
something wrong. Also if you would like to contact me by ICQ, my ICQ #
is 21768684. This is also a good way to tell when my server is online. I
am having major problems with my satalite provider and therefor
suspended my account untill they fix the problem, so for right now, I am
running on a 56k modem, and therefor not always online. So feel free to
check my ICQ. If you need any further information about my setup, you
can contact me at this email or ICQ.

Thanks in advance,
Daniel

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From danielv at matrixir.no-ip.com  Thu Nov 22 02:53:36 2001
From: danielv at matrixir.no-ip.com (Daniel Vickers)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 17:53:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems/Questions after install
Message-ID: <005401c172f8$82574da0$0200a8c0@bladeir>

I know this one has probably been answered before and I'm sorry if it
has, but I wasn't able to find it in the archive. So Here Goes.

I just installed Mailman 2.0.1 on Redhat 7.1... The Mailman file I used
was a RPM that was included in the PowerTools CD. Any ways, from what I
can tell, everything installed just fine. I was even able to add a test
list. But, I am new to these web add ons like mail man and others, and
am not queite sure how to work the web pages. The documentation didn't
realy have anything available on how to implementat the web pages. For a
somewhat beginer that can be kinda discouraging. Any ways, I need to get
some help on implimantating the web pages and making sure everything is
setup ok. I am willing to setup an account for the person to help me
with this and so they can check the configuration, so I know if I did
something wrong. Also if you would like to contact me by ICQ, my ICQ #
is 21768684. This is also a good way to tell when my server is online. I
am having major problems with my satalite provider and therefor
suspended my account untill they fix the problem, so for right now, I am
running on a 56k modem, and therefor not always online. So feel free to
check my ICQ. If you need any further information about my setup, you
can contact me at this email or ICQ. I am totaly lost, please help.

Thanks in advance,
Daniel






From reed at icpdas.com  Thu Nov 22 09:52:10 2001
From: reed at icpdas.com (Reed Lai)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:52:10 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication failed
Message-ID: <20011122165210.A12055@dan.icpdas.com>

Seniors,

I just installed mailman and created a test list, but I can't get
in from the page http://.../mailman/admin/test for configuration
because always "Authentication failed!"

Please help! Thanks!
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From reed at icpdas.com  Thu Nov 22 10:04:48 2001
From: reed at icpdas.com (Reed Lai)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:04:48 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentication failed
In-Reply-To: <20011122165210.A12055@dan.icpdas.com>; from reed@icpdas.com on Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 04:52:10PM +0800
References: <20011122165210.A12055@dan.icpdas.com>
Message-ID: <20011122170448.A12104@dan.icpdas.com>

Finally I can get in after the USE_CRYPT=0...

Thanks for your attention!

On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 04:52:10PM +0800, Reed Lai wrote:
> Seniors,
> 
> I just installed mailman and created a test list, but I can't get
> in from the page http://.../mailman/admin/test for configuration
> because always "Authentication failed!"
> 
> Please help! Thanks!
> -- 
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> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From p at dirac.org  Thu Nov 22 11:27:22 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:27:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what is <MM-Archive>?
Message-ID: <20011122022721.A2716@dirac.org>

hi all,

i'm using an external archive, and would like to change the html on the
subscriber page that points to the archive:

    <p> To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
    	visit the <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name>Archives</MM-Archive>.
    	<MM-Restricted-List-Message>
    </p>

i assume that <MM-Archive><MM-List-Name> somehow gets transformed into
"http://whatever-the-archive-url0is".

how can i change the definition of <MM-Archive> to reflect my home brewed
archive software?

pete


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From lucas.hofman at pgs.com  Thu Nov 22 12:52:29 2001
From: lucas.hofman at pgs.com (Lucas Hofman)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:52:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks are not always removed 
Message-ID: <0111221006.AA1006429843@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 16:38, Jon Carnes wrote:
> I've seen this happen when the Admin has the database for a list locked
> while they make changes via the Web-interface.  Once they log out and
> release their lock on the database then qrunner can access the list and
> send the waiting messages.
>
I typically use konqueror when using the admin interface. could there be any 
relation there?

> I think it also happens when you send out to a large list and it takes
> qrunner several minutes to process the list.  During that time, qrunner is
> already running and will not let a second process acquire a lock on the
> database that it is using.
>
This is the intended behaviour of the locking mechanism, is it not?

> Are you seeing any problems with Mailman - meaning is it locking up and not
> delivering mail?
>

Hi Jon,

As I tried to explain it does start delivering mail after a while. However, I 
can not figure what kicks it in shape again.

In addition, does the fact that the log files are there mean that qrunner 
dies? If so, how to find out why it does?

-- 
Regards,

Lucas Hofman
PGS Research                                    work: +47 67514059
PO Box 354                                       fax: +47 67526640
N-1326 Lysaker, Norway                          home: +47 67581373






From rodrigo at recife.pe.gov.br  Thu Nov 22 13:08:08 2001
From: rodrigo at recife.pe.gov.br (Rodrigo Oliveira Pires)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:08:08 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Backup & Restore
References: <E166emn-0001gS-00@mail.python.org> <3BFCE543.EC5352DB@recife.pe.gov.br>
Message-ID: <3BFCEAA7.FDE3F647@recife.pe.gov.br>

> Hi folks,
>
> how can I backup and restore the MailMan?s files.
> Supose my server crash down and I have to reinstall MailMan and restore the lists,
> archives, permissions, etc
>
> Thanks in advantage...
>
> Rodrigo Oliveira




From jmeurer at gmx.de  Thu Nov 22 13:29:30 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:29:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cronjob-problem (was: not able to subscribe)
In-Reply-To: <20011122000202.A6287@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011121184236.A4323@testsystem.server0.de> <20011122000202.A6287@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20011122132930.A1111@testsystem.server0.de>

On Thu, Nov 22, 2001 at 12:02:02AM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> * * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> My /var/log/cron.log reports every minute, and that's why it could be the
> mailman-qrunner-cronjob:
> Nov 21 23:51:01 server CRON[14002]: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
> What's the problem?

The problem was that I had no entry in /etc/shadow for user mailman ;)
Thanks anyway.

Bye
 Jonas

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From esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us  Thu Nov 22 16:06:03 2001
From: esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:06:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripping out HTML
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122095527.03f03fd0@localhost>

yes, I know this is a frequently asked question and I know it's mostly 
sendmail related.

I want to strip out HTML/attachments from incoming mail messages.  I've 
done some research and settled on using stripmime.pl until stripping out 
mime stripping is incorporated into Mailman.  Unfortunately, I'm having 
trouble getting it running with sendmail/smrsh.  I am running Mailman 2.0.5

I have doublecheck all the obvious things I can think of, such as:
soft link from /etc/smrsh to stripmime
rerun newaliases
checked ownership and permissions (root, root, 755)

here is what the alias looks like:

## test mailing list
## created: 28-Jun-2001 mailman
test: 
"|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin: 
"|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request: 
"|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

What seems to be happening is that the smrsh is stripping off everything 
prior to wrapper and is never seen the stripmime pipe.  Any 
suggestions?  Is there a better option other than stripmime?

---eric




From david at midrange.com  Thu Nov 22 16:27:16 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:27:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripping out HTML
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122095527.03f03fd0@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122092320.021d3fd0@linux.midrange.com>

At 09:06 AM 11/22/2001, you wrote:
>yes, I know this is a frequently asked question and I know it's mostly 
>sendmail related.

Not really sendmail related (IMHO).

>I want to strip out HTML/attachments from incoming mail messages.  I've 
>done some research and settled on using stripmime.pl until stripping out 
>mime stripping is incorporated into Mailman.  Unfortunately, I'm having 
>trouble getting it running with sendmail/smrsh.  I am running Mailman 2.0.5

My personal recommendation ... upgrade to mailman 2.0.6 (at minimum, 
probably best to go to 2.0.7) and apply Geoff Dairiki's demime patch.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103

david

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From andres at photoplankton.com  Thu Nov 22 18:05:55 2001
From: andres at photoplankton.com (Andres L. Figari)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:05:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stripping out HTML
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011122092320.021d3fd0@linux.midrange.com>
Message-ID: <00e101c17377$f32e8820$0a01a8c0@photoplankton.com>

I use demime, works fine.  Also, since some of my users use majordomo, I can
use demime for both apps.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Gibbs" <david at midrange.com>
To: "Eric S. Johansson" <esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] stripping out HTML


> At 09:06 AM 11/22/2001, you wrote:
> >yes, I know this is a frequently asked question and I know it's mostly
> >sendmail related.
>
> Not really sendmail related (IMHO).
>
> >I want to strip out HTML/attachments from incoming mail messages.  I've
> >done some research and settled on using stripmime.pl until stripping out
> >mime stripping is incorporated into Mailman.  Unfortunately, I'm having
> >trouble getting it running with sendmail/smrsh.  I am running Mailman
2.0.5
>
> My personal recommendation ... upgrade to mailman 2.0.6 (at minimum,
> probably best to go to 2.0.7) and apply Geoff Dairiki's demime patch.
>
>
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103
&atid=300103
>
> david
>
> --
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> | WWW: http://david.fallingrock.net
> |
> | Justice ... not vengeance
>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From simon at titanic.co.uk  Thu Nov 22 19:37:50 2001
From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 18:37:50 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Mails
Message-ID: <LMBBKPGHPFCLKIKDLMHBKEBKGCAA.simon@titanic.co.uk>

Is there a common way that people get duplicate mails from the list.

I have checked that they are not subscribed twice!

Simon



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 22 21:01:42 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:01:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Mails
In-Reply-To: <LMBBKPGHPFCLKIKDLMHBKEBKGCAA.simon@titanic.co.uk>
References: <LMBBKPGHPFCLKIKDLMHBKEBKGCAA.simon@titanic.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20011122150142.A16155@mems-exchange.org>

On 22 November 2001, Simon Faulkner said:
> Is there a common way that people get duplicate mails from the list.
> 
> I have checked that they are not subscribed twice!

The most obvious answer is that someone is sending the same message to
the list multiple times.  Check your MTA's logs to see if this is the
case.

Another thing to look at is the "Received" headers of the duplicate
messages, as received by the list subscriber.  Most MTAs generate a
unique ID for each message as it passes through them, and put that ID
into the corresponding "Received" header.  If the duplicates have the
*same* unique ID when received by the MTA (and passed to Mailman), but
*different* unique IDs when passed back to the MTA by Mailman, the
duplicates are Mailman's fault.  If they have different IDs all the way
through, it's the fault of some other agent, eg. the original poster or
her MUA or MTA.

        Greg
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From john_k at gennum.com  Thu Nov 22 22:30:24 2001
From: john_k at gennum.com (John Kostash)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: qrunner error
References: <3BFD178F.AFA7E1DC@gennum.com>
Message-ID: <3BFD6E70.F9C3B69D@gennum.com>

I am getting EOF errors from qrunner (specifically from marshal.load). It looks
like I have some empty .db files in the qfiles directory. I ran out of disk
space a while ago and that may have caused the problem.

Is there any way to re-generate the .db files from the .msg files in the qfiles
directory?

Thanks.

John Kostash
Gennum Corporation
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Nov 23 04:23:46 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:23:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup your system - it's important.
In-Reply-To: <3BFD6E70.F9C3B69D@gennum.com>
References: <3BFD178F.AFA7E1DC@gennum.com> <3BFD6E70.F9C3B69D@gennum.com>
Message-ID: <01112222234600.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Just a reminder, but it is important to backup your Mailman files on a 
regular basis.

The key files to backup are the list info and the archive info.  Backing up 
the ~mailman home directory will get it all.
  tar -czf mailman_bak.tar.gz ~mailman

You might also consider backing up the config file for your web browser, 
while you are at it.
  tar -rzf mailman_bak.tar.gz /etc/httpd/conf
 
Yes, I know that this is the most obvious message, but we have had a lot of 
recent messages about recovering corrupted installs, and the best method is 
to restore from backup.

Jon Carnes



From p at dirac.org  Fri Nov 23 23:15:47 2001
From: p at dirac.org (Peter Jay Salzman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 14:15:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about passwords
Message-ID: <20011123141547.A15145@dirac.org>

hi there,

just curious -- when i add a user to a mailman mailing list "by hand", it -
with the form at the bottom of the "membership management" admin page, what
happens when they want to unsubscribe?   are they assigned a password?

pete

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From sumanth at CS.ColoState.EDU  Fri Nov 23 23:37:02 2001
From: sumanth at CS.ColoState.EDU (sumanth)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:37:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3BFE60E4@webmail.colostate.edu>

Hi,
 In Mailman for maintaining the list of the users other than the 
webinterface.Is there any primitive level datastructure to edit the users 
list.
              So that I can use vi and manipulate the userlist.


              thanking you,
              Sumanth.





From Chris.Manders at UnixHelpDesk.ORG  Sat Nov 24 00:04:57 2001
From: Chris.Manders at UnixHelpDesk.ORG (Christopher Jay Manders)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:04:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question about mailman on Solaris with Apache.
Message-ID: <3BFED619.2C07B30F@UnixHelpDesk.ORG>

Hi,

I have set up everything as close to the installation instructions as
possible. The test group works from the email point of view, but the
webserver (Apache) shows this instead of the intended list of lists:
ELF

?=(0,4)pes.hpe_class:5,__reference_type_class:6,__offset_type_class:7,__real_type_class:8,__complex_type_cla...

Obviously, the web server does not know this is an executable, so I made
sure I had a ScriptAlias and <Directory> setting spots. All seems right.
I have this in the httpd.conf:
ScriptAlias   /mailman/         "/home/a1/mailman/cgi-bin/"
<Directory "/home/a1/mailman/cgi-bin">
    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all
</Directory>

Under options I actually tried 'None' but that did not work.

Any pointers, etc, would be very much appreciated.


Thanks!


Chris
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Sat Nov 24 01:18:12 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:18:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a question about passwords
In-Reply-To: <20011123141547.A15145@dirac.org>
References: <20011123141547.A15145@dirac.org>
Message-ID: <20011123191812.A20015@mems-exchange.org>

On 23 November 2001, Peter Jay Salzman said:
> just curious -- when i add a user to a mailman mailing list "by hand", it -
> with the form at the bottom of the "membership management" admin page, what
> happens when they want to unsubscribe?   are they assigned a password?

Yes, I think that's how it works.  The user will either have to
explicitly request that their password be sent to them, or wait till the
next monthly password mail-out, or unsubscribe via the email interface.

        Greg



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Sat Nov 24 01:19:29 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:19:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <3BFE60E4@webmail.colostate.edu>
References: <3BFE60E4@webmail.colostate.edu>
Message-ID: <20011123191929.B20015@mems-exchange.org>

On 23 November 2001, sumanth said:
>  In Mailman for maintaining the list of the users other than the 
> webinterface.Is there any primitive level datastructure to edit the users 
> list.

Yes, but it's stored in a binary format -- a Python "marshall" file.
You can't edit it with a text editor.  Try
  cd ~mailman
  ./bin/withlist <listname>

...but you'll need to know some Python, and a bit about the list data
strucutres, to get anywhere.  Dunno if this stuff is documented
anywhere.

        Greg
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Sat Nov 24 01:21:32 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:21:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question about mailman on Solaris with Apache.
In-Reply-To: <3BFED619.2C07B30F@UnixHelpDesk.ORG>
References: <3BFED619.2C07B30F@UnixHelpDesk.ORG>
Message-ID: <20011123192132.C20015@mems-exchange.org>

On 23 November 2001, Christopher Jay Manders said:
> I have set up everything as close to the installation instructions as
> possible. The test group works from the email point of view, but the
> webserver (Apache) shows this instead of the intended list of lists:
> ELF

?=(0,4)pes.hpe_class:5,__reference_type_class:6,__offset_type_class:7,__real_type_class:8,__complex_type_cla...
> 
> Obviously, the web server does not know this is an executable, so I made
> sure I had a ScriptAlias and <Directory> setting spots. All seems right.
> I have this in the httpd.conf:

Is the wrapper file actually executable?  Telling Apache its ScriptAlias
is necessary, but the right bits have to be set on the file.  Try
  chmod a+x /home/a1/mailman/cgi-bin/*
  chmod a+x /home/a1/mailman/mail/wrapper

to be sure.

        Greg
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From Chris.Manders at UnixHelpDesk.ORG  Sat Nov 24 01:24:31 2001
From: Chris.Manders at UnixHelpDesk.ORG (Christopher Jay Manders)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:24:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question about mailman on Solaris with 
 Apache.
References: <3BFED619.2C07B30F@UnixHelpDesk.ORG> <20011123192132.C20015@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3BFEE8BF.133416AF@UnixHelpDesk.ORG>

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. Indeed, what I have for perms is:
(alameda) ~mailman/mail # ls -al
total 39
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman       512 Nov 17 08:32 .
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman       512 Nov 17 08:32 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     36976 Nov 17 08:32 wrapper
(alameda) ~mailman/mail # ls -al ../cgi-bin/
total 362
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman       512 Nov 17 08:32 .
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman       512 Nov 17 08:32 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36500 Nov 17 08:32 admin
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 admindb
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 archives
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 edithtml
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36516 Nov 17 08:32 handle_opts
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 listinfo
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 options
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 private
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 roster
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     root        36504 Nov 17 08:32 subscribe


Also, I note that I can execute the wrapper as my UID, once I su to it.

Any other thoughts would be great.

Actually, I still think this is Apache. It is a static build (no
modules).

Thanks again!


Chris




Greg Ward wrote:
> 
> On 23 November 2001, Christopher Jay Manders said:
> > I have set up everything as close to the installation instructions as
> > possible. The test group works from the email point of view, but the
> > webserver (Apache) shows this instead of the intended list of lists:
> > ELF

?=(0,4)pes.hpe_class:5,__reference_type_class:6,__offset_type_class:7,__real_type_class:8,__complex_type_cla...
> >
> > Obviously, the web server does not know this is an executable, so I made
> > sure I had a ScriptAlias and <Directory> setting spots. All seems right.
> > I have this in the httpd.conf:
> 
> Is the wrapper file actually executable?  Telling Apache its ScriptAlias
> is necessary, but the right bits have to be set on the file.  Try
>   chmod a+x /home/a1/mailman/cgi-bin/*
>   chmod a+x /home/a1/mailman/mail/wrapper
> 
> to be sure.
> 
>         Greg
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From manoj at meerutinfo.com  Sun Nov 18 20:24:38 2001
From: manoj at meerutinfo.com (Manoj Tyagi)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 00:54:38 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help me
Message-ID: <008e01c17066$b6322800$0c0110ac@mshome.net>

I have a prob. to configure the Mailing list on my domain please anyone help me

My email address is digitechinternational at yahoo.com
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From cnakagaw at EDFUND.ORG  Mon Nov 19 20:18:54 2001
From: cnakagaw at EDFUND.ORG (Cynthia Nakagawa)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:18:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: <sbf8eab4.000@SAC_MAIL.corp.edfund.org>

Is there a way to turn the password option off?  I don't want all the subscribers to have passwords for their subscriptions.

Thanks
Cynthia 

Cynthia Nakagawa
Network Operations Support
(916) 526-8262





From gvsmony at inapp.com  Tue Nov 20 05:27:56 2001
From: gvsmony at inapp.com (Venkat Subramony)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 09:57:56 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains
References: <002801c165d1$0d761fe0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com> <01110623343106.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <00e601c1674c$42b63f60$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com> <20011108110505.A27530@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c1717b$ba8cf2c0$2101a8c0@in.inapp.com>

hai,
 I installed mailman .It worked.

I tried installing one more mailman in the same machine in a different
location.
But i am unable to get the archives. It shows file not found.

 The folders inside the mailman/archives/ folder are not automatically
created.

Now the problem is that none of the installations is working.
When i send a mail, the mail wrapper program is not executing.
How can i rectify the problem?
Can u help me out of this situation?

Venkat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Ward" <gward at mems-exchange.org>
To: "V.S.Mony" <gvsmony at inapp.com>
Cc: <jonc at nc.rr.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] configuring mailman for multiple domains


> On 07 November 2001, V.S.Mony said:
> > There is only a field with the description  'Hostname the list prefers'
> >
> > Can we give multiple domains in that field?
> > i mean abc.com,xyz.com in the same textbox?
>
> No.
>
> > Then will it recognise mails to both abc.com and xyz.com
>
> It's not Mailman's job to recognize mail to the list (except for
> filtering out "implicit sender" spam; that's a different option).  It's
> your MTA's job.
>
>         Greg
>




From rxie at advent.com  Tue Nov 20 23:48:47 2001
From: rxie at advent.com (rxie at advent.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:48:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem during compiling
Message-ID: <571EA6FEBC26D41198FF009027FC9F440388E715@sfmail1.Advent.COM>

Hi,
 
I always get this error messages even though I've already created the
username as 'mailman' and group as 'mailman'.  I am running Solaris 8 with
python version 2.1.1 on UltraSpac 10. 
 
thanks,
 
 
-Richard
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
 
# ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.1.1
checking for a BSD compatible install... ./install-sh -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
    import pwd, string
ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1: open
failed: 
No such file or directory
cat: cannot open conftest.out
 
configure: error: 
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.

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From dramirez at fime.uanl.mx  Wed Nov 21 01:25:22 2001
From: dramirez at fime.uanl.mx (David Ramirez Joya)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:25:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I think I found a broken link...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111201819360.9112-100000@gama.fime.uanl.mx>

Greetings, I'm just writing to let you know that there's a problem with
the list manager's documentation. When you click on the link, I receive a
Web Page not found Message.

Looking for an answer, I found that there's a redirection from the
original link to another, but with the error:

redirect to "http://bla.bla.bla/user//mailman/index.html"

I think that the error is in the double slash...

Just wanted to tell you about this issue...

Best Regards,

David Ram?rez Joya.

===================================================================
	David Ramirez Joya		Depto. de Informatica
	  System Manager		Servicios de Internet
	  Servidor GAMA.		FIME -- UANL
     dramirez at gama.fime.uanl.mx		Tel: 329-40-71 Ext. 5721




From siegel at cafecancun.com  Wed Nov 21 13:28:03 2001
From: siegel at cafecancun.com (Jules Siegel)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:28:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman
Message-ID: <B8210803.3E3B%siegel@cafecancun.com>

I am setting up a new not-for-profit journalism discussion list and I am
inclined to believe that Mailman <www.list.org> will do what I want at the
lowest price (free). Although I am technically inclined, this looks as if it
might be beyond my scope. Is there anyone out there who could help me on
this? I would be happy to pay a modest fee for installing the program.

Many thanks for any help or advice.


-- 

JULES SIEGEL Apdo 1764 Cancun Q. Roo 77501
http://www.cafecancun.com






From siegel at cafecancun.com  Wed Nov 21 13:51:08 2001
From: siegel at cafecancun.com (Jules Siegel)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 07:51:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman.../moderator
Message-ID: <B8210D6C.3E41%siegel@cafecancun.com>

Dear Moderator:

I don't want to be a pest, but I would appreciate your killing the prtevious
message, and sunbstituting the one below before passing it on to the list.
Many thanks for your consideration.

---Original text---

I am setting up a new not-for-profit journalism discussion list and I am
inclined to believe that Mailman <www.list.org> will do what I want at the
lowest price (free). Although I am technically inclined, this looks as if it
might be beyond my scope. Is there anyone out there who could help me on
this? I would be happy to pay a modest fee for installing the program.

Many thanks for any help or advice. Please reply personally to
siegel at cafecancun.com as I am not a subscriber to this list.



-- 

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http://www.cafecancun.com




From LarryC at indexstock.com  Wed Nov 21 18:50:27 2001
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:50:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] crontab problem
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7CC2@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Hi,

I completed my mailman installation, but I ran into a problem with crontab.
I have to run "/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/mailman/cron/qrunner" every
time in order for the messages to be processed.  Below is the cron job for
both user mailman and root. 

I configured mailman with the following switches:

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail
--with-cgi-mail=nobody

Thanks in advance.

~Larry

# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/mailman/cron/qrunner



From kwalker at touchbasis.com  Thu Nov 22 00:22:19 2001
From: kwalker at touchbasis.com (Katherine Walker)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:22:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two issues from  DEVi-announce
Message-ID: <NDBBIOACCANLBIDKDIEPKEDFCNAA.kwalker@touchbasis.com>

It is my understanding that the announce list is not for posting messages to
other than the person designated as the administrator.  However, the sign up
page at http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/devi-announce states:

"Using DEVi-Announce
To post a message to all the list members, send email to
devi-announce at lists.samurai.com."

We've set up restrictions so that the message needs to get approved prior to
sending which I find cumbersome.  I would much rather approve 1-3 email
addresses to post to the announce list and not have this extra approval step
each time there is an announcement email.

Can you help me?

____________________________________-

The following can be found at
http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/subscribe/devi-announce

Unsubscribing from DEVi-Announce
To unsubscribe, enter your password and hit the button. (If you've lost your
password, see just below to have it emailed to you.)

There is a typo above...how do we request that this gets fixed?

Katherine Walker
Director at digitalevevictoria.com




From john_k at gennum.com  Thu Nov 22 16:19:43 2001
From: john_k at gennum.com (John Kostash)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner error
Message-ID: <3BFD178F.AFA7E1DC@gennum.com>

I am getting EOF errors from qrunner (specifically from marshal.load). It looks
like I have some empty .db files in the qfiles directory. I ran out of disk
space a while ago and that may have caused the problem.

Is there any way to re-generate the .db files from the .msg files in the qfiles
directory?

Thanks.

John Kostash
Gennum Corporation
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From jwarthen at mlml.calstate.edu  Fri Nov 23 07:37:51 2001
From: jwarthen at mlml.calstate.edu (James Warthen)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - Web Interface
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10111222227020.1041-100000@nsf.mlml.calstate.edu>

Question 1:
In the instructions it's implied that a web interface is needed for
Mailman to work but their is a shell command line interface. Wanted to
know if Mailman could be installed with out the web interface? 
Since the mail server is not runing any web deamonds.

Question 2:
In the instructions it's implied that the e-mail commands are e-mailed to
the list admin. Is their a list of all the e-mail commands?




From sumanth at CS.ColoState.EDU  Fri Nov 23 23:30:49 2001
From: sumanth at CS.ColoState.EDU (sumanth)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:30:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200111232230.fANMUnl08663@bach.cs.colostate.edu>

X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00003291, 00003429, 00003578
Subject: Help Needed
Message-ID: <3BFE6015 at webmail.colostate.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-WebMail-Urgent: Y
X-Priority: 1
Return-Receipt-To: sumanth <sumanth at bach.cs.colostate.edu>
X-Confirm-Reading-To: sumanth <sumanth at bach.cs.colostate.edu>
X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61

Hi,
  In Mailman for maintaining the list of the users other than the 
wbeinterface.
Is there any primitive level datastructure to edit the users list.
So that I can use vi and manipulate the userlist.

thanking you,

Sumanth.




From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Sat Nov 24 13:20:23 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 07:20:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a Domain
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20011124071612.0100a3c8@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

Is there any way I can set Mailman to refuse subscriptions from a
particular domain?

I have a net.abuser who seems to want to make himself unpleasant, and I'd
like to set things so that his personal domain simply isn't allowed to
subscribe, period, so I won't have to make a career of unsubscribing him.

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!" 
     -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Sat Nov 24 13:23:51 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:23:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] crontab problem
In-Reply-To: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7CC2@index-exchange.indexstock.com>
References: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C913F7CC2@index-exchange.indexstock.com>
Message-ID: <20011124132351.A666@testsystem.server0.de>

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 12:50:27PM -0500, Larry Chuon wrote:
> I completed my mailman installation, but I ran into a problem with crontab.
> I have to run "/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/mailman/cron/qrunner" every
> time in order for the messages to be processed.  Below is the cron job for
> both user mailman and root. 

Hey ho,
I had the same problem. Find out if your user (per default 'mailman') has
an entry in /etc/shadow. That was my problem. You have to add mailman
to /etc/shadow (only if you're using shadow-passwords).

HTH
  Jonas

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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Sat Nov 24 13:47:47 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:47:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news-mail-gateway with password for newsgroup
Message-ID: <20011124134747.A793@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
I've a problem with the news-mail-gateway.
The server where the newsgroup is provided is free, but the newsgroup itself
is not free. You need a password to read the group. You have to use the
password as server-passwd, so that the server has a password, and only with
this passwd you can read the group. Now, where in mailman can I define
user and passwd?

Thanks + bye
  Jonas

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|    /v\    |  ******************************************************
|  /(   )\  |  **** Linux is like a wigwam:                      ****
|   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Sat Nov 24 15:37:29 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 15:37:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news -crontab error
Message-ID: <20011124153729.A1870@testsystem.server0.de>

Hey ho,
I try to use the gate-news-function of mailman, but I get an error-message
every time cron execs the '/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
command:

-------------Top of message-------------
X-From_: mailman at server.server0.de  Sat Nov 24 13:38:15 2001
From: root at server.server0.de (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman at server.server0.de
Subject: Cron <mailman at server> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists
    conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup
    password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__
    self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
socket.error: (110, 'Connection timed out')
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How can I fix this bug?

Bye
 Jonas

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From kd5de at nwla.com  Sat Nov 24 18:19:31 2001
From: kd5de at nwla.com (mel)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:19:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just one quick one
Message-ID: <3BFFD6A3.C54AADE7@nwla.com>

Is there a quick and dirty way to remove a person from a list without just
going to the admin page and setting the no mail option. I can't seem to find
an unsubcribe option anywhere on the admin pages, maybe I missed it. Is this
possible?

-- 
--------------------------
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Linux User #25446    Linux 2.4.7
--------------------------



From david at midrange.com  Sat Nov 24 18:38:24 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:38:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just one quick one
In-Reply-To: <3BFFD6A3.C54AADE7@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011124113746.02bc6310@linux.midrange.com>

At 11:19 AM 11/24/2001, mel wrote:
>Is there a quick and dirty way to remove a person from a list without just
>going to the admin page and setting the no mail option. I can't seem to find
>an unsubcribe option anywhere on the admin pages, maybe I missed it. Is this
>possible?

Use the same page, except uncheck the box under the "Subscr" column.

That will unsubscribe the member.

david


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| WWW: http://david.fallingrock.net
|
| Justice ... not vengeance




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sat Nov 24 20:04:56 2001
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:04:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0.7
Message-ID: <20011124140456.C20552@allhats.xcski.com>

And I can't say I like the one minute delay before the mail actually goes
out.  Is there any way to eliminate the qrunner step and have it mail out
immediately?  I use a good MTA that is extremely fast and doesn't load
down the system much, and I liked getting the message back from the list
as soon as I hit send.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"and by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it."
    - Russ Allbery draws a line in the sand for Usenet.
    (http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/writing/rant.html)



From feroz074 at tm.net.my  Sat Nov 24 23:38:58 2001
From: feroz074 at tm.net.my (Feroz Musa)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 06:38:58 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Contents of Mailman-Users Digest...
In-Reply-To: <E167gB1-00047v-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <002701c17538$ceec5e20$cfa6bad2@feroz>


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of
mailman-users-request at python.org
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 1:01 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1598 - 9 msgs

Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
	mailman-users at python.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
	mailman-users-request at python.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
	mailman-users-admin at python.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."





From dcalaf at vassar.edu  Sun Nov 25 02:55:51 2001
From: dcalaf at vassar.edu (David Calafrancesco)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 20:55:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need assist/pointer to add-ons for automations...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011124204956.02228b28@vaxsar.vassar.edu>

Greetings,

I have succesfully installed a 2.07 under Solaris 8. No problems so far 
creating lists, or even tying them into newsgroups. Things working as 
expected.

I have checked the archives of this list, at least as far back as a few 
months, as well as other docs and FAQs and don't see anyone addressing 
automating list creation. Looking to have a webpage that would only be 
accessable to users in my domain, perhaps requiring a confirmation email or 
even a full login, that would allow the users to create their own lists 
without my intervention.

I know I would need a CGI to accept the new list info, verify the user is 
OK, then run newlist and add the aliases to the /etc/mail/aliases file and 
run newaliases. I can write something like this, but figure that someone 
somewhere has to have beaten me to it and I could benefit from their 
experience.

Anyone know of a full automation setup like I describe and where I might 
find the glue to put it all together?

Dave



David Calafrancesco
Vassar College SysAdmin
dcalaf at vassar.edu
845-437-7892
845-437-7050 Fax
845-455-1342 pager




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 25 04:38:48 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:38:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news -crontab error
In-Reply-To: <20011124153729.A1870@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011124153729.A1870@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <01112422384802.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Logon to your system that is running Mailman and try to access the same 
news server (using the password and username that you have setup in 
~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py).

It looks like the server couldn't establish a socket connection with the 
news server.

Jon Carnes
===
On Saturday 24 November 2001 09:37, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Hey ho,
> I try to use the gate-news-function of mailman, but I get an
> error-message every time cron execs the '/usr/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/gate_news' command:
>
> -------------Top of message-------------
> X-From_: mailman at server.server0.de  Sat Nov 24 13:38:15 2001
> From: root at server.server0.de (Cron Daemon)
> To: mailman at server.server0.de
> Subject: Cron <mailman at server> /usr/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/gate_news X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/home/mailman>
> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
>     process_lists(lock)
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists
>     conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist)
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup
>     password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in
> __init__ self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
> socket.error: (110, 'Connection timed out')
> -------------Bottom of message----------
>
> How can I fix this bug?
>
> Bye
>  Jonas



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 25 04:43:18 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:43:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news-mail-gateway with password for newsgroup
In-Reply-To: <20011124134747.A793@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011124134747.A793@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <01112422431803.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
Look in Default.py for more details.

Jon Carnes
===
On Saturday 24 November 2001 07:47, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> Hey ho,
> I've a problem with the news-mail-gateway.
> The server where the newsgroup is provided is free, but the newsgroup
> itself is not free. You need a password to read the group. You have to
> use the password as server-passwd, so that the server has a password, and
> only with this passwd you can read the group. Now, where in mailman can I
> define user and passwd?
>
> Thanks + bye
>   Jonas



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 25 04:53:55 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:53:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a Domain
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20011124071612.0100a3c8@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
References: <3.0.32.20011124071612.0100a3c8@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
Message-ID: <01112422535504.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Personally I think the best way to deal with this, is to let him subscribe 
all he wants, but deny his domain on the mailserver side.  You might also 
alert his postmaster as to why the domain is now persona-non-grata.

In sendmail, you add the domain in /etc/mail/access and put a nice DENY or 
better still a REJECT next to it.

This allows him to recieve your list mail, but he cannot respond.  Realize 
that he can always jump to a Hotmail account (or any other number of 
web-based accounts). 

Jon Carnes

On Saturday 24 November 2001 07:20, Jonathan Andrew Sheen wrote:
> Is there any way I can set Mailman to refuse subscriptions from a
> particular domain?
>
> I have a net.abuser who seems to want to make himself unpleasant, and I'd
> like to set things so that his personal domain simply isn't allowed to
> subscribe, period, so I won't have to make a career of unsubscribing him.
>
> Jonathan Andrew Sheen
>
> http://www.leviathanstudios.com
> Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
> jsheen at leviathanstudios.com
>
>      "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
>      -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Sun Nov 25 05:08:49 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 23:08:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200111232230.fANMUnl08663@bach.cs.colostate.edu>
References: <200111232230.fANMUnl08663@bach.cs.colostate.edu>
Message-ID: <01112423084905.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

>
> Hi,
>   In Mailman for maintaining the list of the users other than the
> wbeinterface.
> Is there any primitive level datastructure to edit the users list.
> So that I can use vi and manipulate the userlist.
>
> thanking you,
>
> Sumanth.
>
Look in the ~mailman/bin/.. directory.  You will find all you need to 
manipulate your lists using files.  As an example, you can use sync_members 
to syncronize your member lists with a file on your system.  Run 
sync_members against the file on a regular basis and then you can just edit 
that file for any changes you would like to make.

Note, this makes it so that folks cannot manage their own membership to 
your lists.

Jon



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Sun Nov 25 14:31:01 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:31:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news -crontab error
In-Reply-To: <01112422384802.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <20011124153729.A1870@testsystem.server0.de> <01112422384802.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20011125143101.A1412@testsystem.server0.de>

On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 10:38:48PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> Logon to your system that is running Mailman and try to access the same 
> news server (using the password and username that you have setup in 
> ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py).
> 
> It looks like the server couldn't establish a socket connection with the 
> news server.

Yea, I also think so.
I'll try it.

Bye
 Jonas

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|    /v\    |  ******************************************************
|  /(   )\  |  **** Linux is like a wigwam:                      ****
|   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Sun Nov 25 14:35:14 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:35:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news-mail-gateway with password for newsgroup
In-Reply-To: <01112422431803.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <20011124134747.A793@testsystem.server0.de> <01112422431803.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20011125143514.B1412@testsystem.server0.de>

On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 10:43:18PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> Look in Default.py for more details.

Ok, I've found that.

Bye
 Jonas

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|    /v\    |  ******************************************************
|  /(   )\  |  **** Linux is like a wigwam:                      ****
|   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****



From jmeurer at gmx.de  Sun Nov 25 15:05:07 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 15:05:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news-mail-gateway with password for newsgroup
In-Reply-To: <20011125143514.B1412@testsystem.server0.de>
References: <20011124134747.A793@testsystem.server0.de> <01112422431803.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <20011125143514.B1412@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <20011125150507.A1759@testsystem.server0.de>

On Sun, Nov 25, 2001 at 02:35:14PM +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 10:43:18PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> > Look in Default.py for more details.
> Ok, I've found that.

But it doesn't work:
Now the qrunner-cronjob sends the following message:
----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 83, in ?
    from Mailman import mm_cfg
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py", line 43, in ?
    from Defaults import *
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py", line 189, in ?
    NNTP_USERNAME = jonas
NameError: jonas
----

My NNTP-Username is jonas. I don't know what's wrong.

Bye
 Jonas

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|    /v\    |  ******************************************************
|  /(   )\  |  **** Linux is like a wigwam:                      ****
|   ^^ ^^   |  ****   no windows, no gates and an apache inside! ****



From barry at zope.com  Sun Nov 25 18:28:40 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:28:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Just upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0.7
References: <20011124140456.C20552@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <15361.10824.805447.724371@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "PT" == Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> writes:

    PT> And I can't say I like the one minute delay before the mail
    PT> actually goes out.  Is there any way to eliminate the qrunner
    PT> step and have it mail out immediately?  I use a good MTA that
    PT> is extremely fast and doesn't load down the system much, and I
    PT> liked getting the message back from the list as soon as I hit
    PT> send.

Mailman 2.1 uses a long-running daemon instead of a cron-invoked
qrunner, so the 1 minute delay has effectively been eliminated.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Sun Nov 25 18:29:21 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] need assist/pointer to add-ons for automations...
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011124204956.02228b28@vaxsar.vassar.edu>
Message-ID: <15361.10865.269092.903824@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DC" == David Calafrancesco <dcalaf at vassar.edu> writes:

    DC> I have checked the archives of this list, at least as far back
    DC> as a few months, as well as other docs and FAQs and don't see
    DC> anyone addressing automating list creation.

Mailman 2.1 has this feature.

-Barry



From mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk  Sun Nov 25 20:08:49 2001
From: mel at vanyel.herald.co.uk (Melanie Dymond Harper)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:08:49 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Script for archiving digests?
Message-ID: <200111251908.TAA26056@vanyel.herald.co.uk>

Hi folks,

I've just installed 2.0.7 to take over the running of mailing lists here.
At the moment we have archives done by digest for those lists which have 
archives. I like the pipermail interface and don't want to replace it
completely, but the weekly mailboxes are likely to be pretty large for
some lists (and switching to daily volumes would make it hard to follow
discussions by thread for those using the web interface to do so).

Does anyone know of a handy script which I could use to receive digests and
dump those into a different archive directory? Writing one wouldn't be an
especially big deal but I suspect it might be a wheel-reinvention...

Cheers

Mel



From moseleymm at hank.org  Sun Nov 25 21:48:32 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:48:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011125124832.01d090d0@pop3.hank.org>

Hi,

Trying hard to figure this out myself :-(  I was able to find a number of
posts with this same problem, but no solutions.

I wonder if I don't understand sguid very well.

mailman 2.0.7, python 1.5.2.  Sendmail 8.10.1
Linux mardy 2.2.13 #1 Mon Nov 8 15:51:29 CET 1999 i686 unknown
(ya, time for an update...)

Here's the setup:

sendmail runs with a guid of daemon, and the web server has a Group of users.

./configure --with-mail-gid=daemon --with-cgi-gid=users
(I ran make && make install as user mailman).

Seems as if my /home doesn't allow suid, so I had to run bin/check_perms -f
as root to correct the suid bits.

Web interface works fine.  I can add members to the test list without
problem via the web interface.


Here's what the files look like:

> ls -ld /home/mailman
drwxrwsr-x  19 mailman  mailman      4096 Nov 25 11:27 /home/mailman


I get the error when trying to send mail to the list:

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

Here's sendmail passing off to the wrapper:

Nov 25 11:32:34 mardy sendmail[25300]: fAPJWYu25299:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", ctladdr=<test at mardy.hank.org>
(2/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30051, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent

Here's the wrapper. It's sguid.

> ls -l /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman     30971 Nov 25 11:27
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper

Here's the database, which has mailman group read access.

> ls -l /home/mailman/lists/test/config.db
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      2968 Nov 25 11:35
/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db

So I'm a bit confused why the permission denied error.


I'm trying to understand: --with-mail-gid=daemon says to compile the
wrapper script to only run if it's run with a real guid of "daemon", which
is what sendmail is running as. (the idea is to limit what can run the
wrapper script).  The wrapper script is set guid, so it should then be able
to access the config.db, right?  Same situation for the cgi scripts.




Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From pchytil at ece.ogi.edu  Mon Nov 26 01:37:46 2001
From: pchytil at ece.ogi.edu (Pavel Chytil)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:37:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: 'generator' object has no attribute 'insert'
Message-ID: <1006735066.3c018eda0b376@mail.asp.ogi.edu>

Hello,

I am new to mailman, so bear with me. I have downloaded mailman-2.0.7 which
works fine, than I have tried mailman 2.1 (also from cvs), and getting error
message below in error log whenever I try to send email to
mailman-request at asp.ogi.edu with word help in Subject line (I have tried also
word help in body of message without any luck).


Nov 25 16:24:47 2001 (11789) Uncaught runner exception: 'generator' object has
no attribute 'insert'
Nov 25 16:24:47 2001 (11789) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/work/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 104, in __oneloop
    self.__onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/work/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 152, in __onefile
    keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/work/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 61, in _dispose
    mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg, msgdata)
  File "/work/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 198, in
ParseMailCommands
    lines.insert(0, SPACE.join(subjcmd))
AttributeError: 'generator' object has no attribute 'insert'

What am I doing wrong? 

Thanks,
	Pavel



From jbarnes at usmale.org  Mon Nov 26 04:22:12 2001
From: jbarnes at usmale.org (J. Barnes)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:22:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org>

I keep bumping into the same annoying thing with Mailman and was wondering 
how I go about suggesting a feature.  I'll describe the situation here, and 
perhaps someone can tell me if I'm doing something wrong or whatever.

When I login to the administrative mode for a mailing list and click on 
"tend to pendingadministrative requests", after I click the submit changes 
button, I'm at a dead-end type screen.  Shouldn't this screen have the 
standard set of links for Configuration Categories and Other Administrative 
Tasks?  I tend to click the back button twice to return to where I want to be.

Thanks for any suggestions, etc.

Jason



From paul at rubinsoftware.com  Mon Nov 26 04:24:32 2001
From: paul at rubinsoftware.com (Paul Rubin)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:24:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archiver after updating server.
Message-ID: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOKEDGDHAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>

I very recently upgraded my server, in the process I went from exim to
sendmail, I went from redhat 7.0 to redhat 7.2  I re-formatted the drive and
restored the mailman files from the backup.  I appear to have a problem of
some sort with the archiving.

can someone tell me how to diagnose this problem further, so that I can fix
it?

Thank you.

admin(10855): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(10855): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(10855):     main()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, in main
admin(10855):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 940, in
ChangeOptions
admin(10855):     mlist.DeleteMember(user)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1184, in
DeleteMember
admin(10855):     self.Save()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
admin(10855):     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256,
in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(10855):     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42,
in makelink
admin(10855):     os.symlink(old, new)
admin(10855): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
admin(10855): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(10855): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96
20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2
admin(10855): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(10855): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(10855): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(10855): sys.path       = /usr
admin(10855): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(10855): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(10855):  DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADDR: 216.27.160.51
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(10855):  CONTENT_LENGTH: 3166
admin(10855):  CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(10855):  PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  REMOTE_ADDR: 199.34.24.169
admin(10855):  SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.24_01
admin(10855):  GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(10855):  HTTP_COOKIE:
dialingdave:admin=280200000069487f013c73280000006334316636656136386238616539
6433643835633531343263323665303335373264393130346232
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(10855):  REMOTE_PORT: 1450
admin(10855):  SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(10855):  HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(10855):  HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.77 [en] (Win98; U)
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(10855):  REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  QUERY_STRING:
admin(10855):  SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(10855):  PATH_INFO: /dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  HTTP_HOST: www1.rubinsoftware.com
admin(10855):  REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(10855):  SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at
www1.rubinsoftware.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(10855):  SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(10855):  SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(10855):  PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(10855):  HTTP_REFERER:
http://www1.rubinsoftware.com/mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  SERVER_NAME: www1.rubinsoftware.com




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 04:35:27 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:35:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request?
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org>
Message-ID: <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com>

"J. Barnes" wrote:

> When I login to the administrative mode for a mailing list and click on
> "tend to pendingadministrative requests", after I click the submit changes
> button, I'm at a dead-end type screen.  Shouldn't this screen have the
> standard set of links for Configuration Categories and Other Administrative
> Tasks?  I tend to click the back button twice to return to where I want to be.

    You're not at a dead-end page.  Follow the link at the bottom that takes you back to the administrative page.

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From gleblanc at linuxweasel.com  Mon Nov 26 06:45:32 2001
From: gleblanc at linuxweasel.com (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 25 Nov 2001 21:45:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hitting a bug in 2.0.6
Message-ID: <1006753532.3018.12.camel@peecee>

Hi folks!  I've got mailman throwing up the "we've hit a bug page" on a
set of archives for me pretty consistently.  The python traceback says
something about "OverflowError: integer multiplication" (I've included
the whole output below).  It's showing up in gzip.py, but these archives
aren't especially large or anything like that.  I'm pretty stumped as to
what's causing it, or how to go about fixing it.  Thanks for any hints,
	Greg

P.S.  I'm set to nomail from this list at the moment, so I'd appreciate
copying me on replies.

Nov 26 00:26:49 2001 admin(22671): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(22671): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
admin(22671): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(22671): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(22671):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(22671):     main()
admin(22671):   File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0.6-2-build/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line 209, in main
admin(22671):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/site-packages/gzip.py", line 151, in read
admin(22671):     readsize = readsize * 2
admin(22671): OverflowError: integer multiplication
admin(22671): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(22671): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2
admin(22671): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(22671): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(22671): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(22671): sys.path       = /usr
admin(22671): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(22671): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(22671): 	DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(22671): 	SERVER_ADDR: 209.116.70.73
admin(22671): 	HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip,deflate,compress,identity
admin(22671): 	SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(22671): 	PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/vote/2001-November.txt.gz
admin(22671): 	REMOTE_ADDR: 216.99.218.48
admin(22671): 	SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.24_01
admin(22671): 	GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(22671): 	HTTP_COOKIE: vote:archive=28020000006970d2013c732800000063366532623233376231366665616361663762613433623362623239363537306362353739613535
admin(22671): 	HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(22671): 	REMOTE_PORT: 10624
admin(22671): 	SERVER_NAME: mail.example.com
admin(22671): 	HTTP_CONNECTION: keep-alive
admin(22671): 	HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; Galeon) Gecko/20010901
admin(22671): 	HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: ISO-8859-1, utf-8;q=0.66, *;q=0.66
admin(22671): 	HTTP_ACCEPT: text/xml, application/xml, application/xhtml+xml, text/html;q=0.9, image/png, image/jpeg, image/gif;q=0.2, text/plain;q=0.8, text/css, */*;q=0.1
admin(22671): 	REQUEST_URI: /mailman/private/vote/2001-November.txt.gz
admin(22671): 	HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL: max-age=0
admin(22671): 	QUERY_STRING: 
admin(22671): 	SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(22671): 	HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE: 300
admin(22671): 	HTTP_HOST: mail.gnome.org
admin(22671): 	REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(22671): 	SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at mail.example.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(22671): 	HTTP_IF_MODIFIED_SINCE: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:26:10 GMT
admin(22671): 	SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/private
admin(22671): 	SERVER_ADMIN: root at example.com
admin(22671): 	SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/private
admin(22671): 	PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(22671): 	PATH_INFO: /vote/2001-November.txt.gz
admin(22671): 	HTTP_REFERER: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/private/vote/






From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 26 08:06:08 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:06:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:35:27 MST." <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org>  <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:35:27 -0700 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> "J. Barnes" wrote:

>> When I login to the administrative mode for a mailing list and
>> click on "tend to pendingadministrative requests", after I click
>> the submit changes button, I'm at a dead-end type screen.
>> Shouldn't this screen have the standard set of links for
>> Configuration Categories and Other Administrative Tasks?  I tend
>> to click the back button twice to return to where I want to be.

> You're not at a dead-end page.  Follow the link at the bottom
> that takes you back to the administrative page.

However there is no link back to the /admin or /listinfo pages,
which is unfortunate.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Mon Nov 26 09:31:33 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:31:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup your system - it's important.
In-Reply-To: <01112222234600.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <3BFD178F.AFA7E1DC@gennum.com> <3BFD6E70.F9C3B69D@gennum.com> <01112222234600.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <0111260831330C.01306@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Thanks,

I think the best way for a backup is to backup mailmans data self.
Extract all members, extract lists coniguration via "config_list".
If the MM DB became corropted, it should be easy to recover
it. 


regards
Oliver


> Just a reminder, but it is important to backup your Mailman files on a
> regular basis.
>
> The key files to backup are the list info and the archive info.  Backing up
> the ~mailman home directory will get it all.
>   tar -czf mailman_bak.tar.gz ~mailman
>
> You might also consider backing up the config file for your web browser,
> while you are at it.
>   tar -rzf mailman_bak.tar.gz /etc/httpd/conf
>
> Yes, I know that this is the most obvious message, but we have had a lot of
> recent messages about recovering corrupted installs, and the best method is
> to restore from backup.
>
> Jon Carnes
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 08:30:35 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request?
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org>  <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> However there is no link back to the /admin or /listinfo pages,
> which is unfortunate.

    Hrm, maybe it's just me then, but after I'm done with whatever administrative tasks needed to be done (/mailman/admindb/<list>), I get a page back that looks like this:

Database Updated...

Administrative requests for mailing list: <list>

There are no pending requests.

<list> list run by ashley at pcraft.com
<list> administrative interface (requires authorization)

    That last line is a link back to /admin/<list> - is that not what you want?


--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 26 08:42:05 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:42:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:30:35 MST." <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org> <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu>  <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <24290.1006760525@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:30:35 -0700 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> J C Lawrence wrote:

>> However there is no link back to the /admin or /listinfo pages,
>> which is unfortunate.

> Hrm, maybe it's just me then, but after I'm done with whatever
> administrative tasks needed to be done (/mailman/admindb/<list>),
> I get a page back that looks like this:

...

> That last line is a link back to /admin/<list> - is that not
> what you want?

Nope.  I want a link back to .../listinfo/ and/or .../admin/

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 08:48:12 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:48:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request?
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org> <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu>  <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com> <24290.1006760525@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3C01F3BC.D92BBDD6@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> > That last line is a link back to /admin/<list> - is that not
> > what you want?
>
> Nope.  I want a link back to .../listinfo/ and/or .../admin/

    That would mean having to log you out on that page (or upon clicking on those links).  When that page gets displayed, you're still logged in, possibly with the option to go back to the administrative page to do more work.  Hrm.  Don't see why not.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 26 08:56:40 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:56:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:48:12 MST." <3C01F3BC.D92BBDD6@pcraft.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org> <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu> <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com> <24290.1006760525@kanga.nu>  <3C01F3BC.D92BBDD6@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <24951.1006761400@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:48:12 -0700 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:

> That would mean having to log you out on that page (or upon
> clicking on those links).  

I would prefer it didn't log me out (actually that would both annoy
me and destroy the utility of the feature).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 08:58:28 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:58:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request?
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org> <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu> <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com> <24290.1006760525@kanga.nu>  <3C01F3BC.D92BBDD6@pcraft.com> <24951.1006761400@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3C01F624.BD366150@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> > That would mean having to log you out on that page (or upon
> > clicking on those links).
>
> I would prefer it didn't log me out (actually that would both annoy
> me and destroy the utility of the feature).

    As a site administrator, I can see this worthwhile.  After all, hitting /admin by itself gets me all the lists.  However, as a list admin, going back to /admin isn't going to do you much good if you can't access anyone else's list anyways.  That's why I thought logging people out would be safest.

    Now, if I was hitting /admin/<list>, that's different, and logging people out would become annoying yes - but that link is already there.

    Maybe I'm just not getting what you're trying to do.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 26 09:08:32 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:08:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:58:28 MST." <3C01F624.BD366150@pcraft.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org> <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu> <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com> <24290.1006760525@kanga.nu> <3C01F3BC.D92BBDD6@pcraft.com> <24951.1006761400@kanga.nu>  <3C01F624.BD366150@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <25165.1006762112@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:58:28 -0700 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> J C Lawrence wrote:

>> I would prefer it didn't log me out (actually that would both
>> annoy me and destroy the utility of the feature).

> As a site administrator, I can see this worthwhile.  After all,
> hitting /admin by itself gets me all the lists.  However, as a
> list admin, going back to /admin isn't going to do you much good
> if you can't access anyone else's list anyways.  

Who said I can't access any other lists?  

> Now, if I was hitting /admin/<list>, that's different, and logging
> people out would become annoying yes - but that link is already
> there.

I admin multiple lists.  Most of them are moderated.  I log a
browser into the admin interface for each list once, and then from
there on skip back and forth among the various lists and their
moderation interfaces freely.  Typically I'll keep the cookie for
such administration around for two or three months until the next
time I restart my browser.

Desktop security is not a concern.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 09:08:13 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:08:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: feature request?
References: <4.2.0.58.20011125221654.00a33c90@mail.usmale.org> <3C01B87F.84669FF2@pcraft.com> <23450.1006758368@kanga.nu> <3C01EF9B.73DDC5D9@pcraft.com> <24290.1006760525@kanga.nu> <3C01F3BC.D92BBDD6@pcraft.com> <24951.1006761400@kanga.nu>  <3C01F624.BD366150@pcraft.com> <25165.1006762112@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3C01F86D.83755D79@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> Who said I can't access any other lists?

    Exactly.  I was going after single list admins doing this, not site wide administrators (or even admins that have multiple lists).  :)

--
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  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From reed at icpdas.com  Mon Nov 26 10:23:46 2001
From: reed at icpdas.com (Reed Lai)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:23:46 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-characters in subject
Message-ID: <20011126172346.A18741@dan.icpdas.com>

Seniors,

I just found multi-characters in subject, for example,
a big5 Chinese encording that came from Mutt mail client

	Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C3=F6=A9=F3=BC=D0=C3D=AA=BA=A4=A4=A4=E5=BDs=BDX?=

The Mailman (2.0.7) sometimes translated above to correct big5
codes in the html Archive page, but sometimes left it as raw.
How do I correct this problem?

Thanks!
-- 
Reed Lai http://w3.icpdas.com/reed/ | ICPDAS http://www.icpdas.com
GnuPG (DSA/ElGamal) 0x7199EAD3 Reed Lai (key #1) <reed at icpdas.com>
KeyServer: search.keyserver.net |  HAM: BV4QO | NIC-handle: RL7000



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 12:03:13 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:03:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: 'generator' object has no attribute 'insert'
In-Reply-To: <1006735066.3c018eda0b376@mail.asp.ogi.edu>
References: <1006735066.3c018eda0b376@mail.asp.ogi.edu>
Message-ID: <01112606031302.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Well, one thing you are doing wrong is sending this to the users list.  All 
comments and problems for the 2.1 alpha should be directed to the dev list.

The code base for 2.1 changes often enough that only the developers and a 
few power users are up to date on it.

Jon Carnes
===
On Sunday 25 November 2001 19:37, Pavel Chytil wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am new to mailman, so bear with me. I have downloaded mailman-2.0.7
> which works fine, than I have tried mailman 2.1 (also from cvs), and
> getting error message below in error log whenever I try to send email to
> mailman-request at asp.ogi.edu with word help in Subject line (I have tried
> also word help in body of message without any luck).
>
>
> Nov 25 16:24:47 2001 (11789) Uncaught runner exception: 'generator'
> object has no attribute 'insert'
> Nov 25 16:24:47 2001 (11789) Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/work/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 104, in __oneloop
>     self.__onefile(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/work/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 152, in __onefile
>     keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/work/mailman/Mailman/Queue/CommandRunner.py", line 61, in
> _dispose mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg, msgdata)
>   File "/work/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 198, in
> ParseMailCommands
>     lines.insert(0, SPACE.join(subjcmd))
> AttributeError: 'generator' object has no attribute 'insert'
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> 	Pavel
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From paul at rubinsoftware.com  Mon Nov 26 12:33:30 2001
From: paul at rubinsoftware.com (Paul Rubin)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 06:33:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archiver after updating server.
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOKEDGDHAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOCEDMDHAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>

Ok, I finally figured out that I was reading the trace back backwards.  I
added a line to the code in makelink to print the names of the new and old
file specs involved in the links.  In moving the server the mailman files
were moved from /home/mailman to /var/mailman  The link it is trying to
create is from the private/list directory to the public/list directory.

What is happening is that it is trying to create the public/list directory
under /home instead of /var.  Where is this value coming from? and how can I
change it?

Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Rubin
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:25 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archiver after updating server.


I very recently upgraded my server, in the process I went from exim to
sendmail, I went from redhat 7.0 to redhat 7.2  I re-formatted the drive and
restored the mailman files from the backup.  I appear to have a problem of
some sort with the archiving.

can someone tell me how to diagnose this problem further, so that I can fix
it?

Thank you.

admin(10855): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(10855): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(10855):     main()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, in main
admin(10855):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 940, in
ChangeOptions
admin(10855):     mlist.DeleteMember(user)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1184, in
DeleteMember
admin(10855):     self.Save()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
admin(10855):     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256,
in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(10855):     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42,
in makelink
admin(10855):     os.symlink(old, new)
admin(10855): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
admin(10855): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(10855): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96
20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2
admin(10855): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(10855): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(10855): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(10855): sys.path       = /usr
admin(10855): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(10855): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(10855):  DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADDR: 216.27.160.51
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(10855):  CONTENT_LENGTH: 3166
admin(10855):  CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(10855):  PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  REMOTE_ADDR: 199.34.24.169
admin(10855):  SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.24_01
admin(10855):  GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(10855):  HTTP_COOKIE:
dialingdave:admin=280200000069487f013c73280000006334316636656136386238616539
6433643835633531343263323665303335373264393130346232
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(10855):  REMOTE_PORT: 1450
admin(10855):  SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(10855):  HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(10855):  HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.77 [en] (Win98; U)
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(10855):  REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  QUERY_STRING:
admin(10855):  SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(10855):  PATH_INFO: /dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  HTTP_HOST: www1.rubinsoftware.com
admin(10855):  REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(10855):  SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at
www1.rubinsoftware.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(10855):  SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(10855):  SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(10855):  PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(10855):  HTTP_REFERER:
http://www1.rubinsoftware.com/mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  SERVER_NAME: www1.rubinsoftware.com


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From paul at rubinsoftware.com  Mon Nov 26 13:02:37 2001
From: paul at rubinsoftware.com (Paul Rubin)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:02:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archiver after updating server.
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOCEDMDHAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOIEDMDHAA.paul@rubinsoftware.com>

OK, I found move_list, scratch this entire communication stream.

Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Rubin
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 6:34 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archiver after updating
server.


Ok, I finally figured out that I was reading the trace back backwards.  I
added a line to the code in makelink to print the names of the new and old
file specs involved in the links.  In moving the server the mailman files
were moved from /home/mailman to /var/mailman  The link it is trying to
create is from the private/list directory to the public/list directory.

What is happening is that it is trying to create the public/list directory
under /home instead of /var.  Where is this value coming from? and how can I
change it?

Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Rubin
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:25 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archiver after updating server.


I very recently upgraded my server, in the process I went from exim to
sendmail, I went from redhat 7.0 to redhat 7.2  I re-formatted the drive and
restored the mailman files from the backup.  I appear to have a problem of
some sort with the archiving.

can someone tell me how to diagnose this problem further, so that I can fix
it?

Thank you.

admin(10855): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(10855): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(10855):     main()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, in main
admin(10855):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 940, in
ChangeOptions
admin(10855):     mlist.DeleteMember(user)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1184, in
DeleteMember
admin(10855):     self.Save()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
admin(10855):     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256,
in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(10855):     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42,
in makelink
admin(10855):     os.symlink(old, new)
admin(10855): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
admin(10855): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(10855): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96
20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2
admin(10855): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(10855): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(10855): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(10855): sys.path       = /usr
admin(10855): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(10855): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(10855):  DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADDR: 216.27.160.51
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(10855):  CONTENT_LENGTH: 3166
admin(10855):  CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(10855):  PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  REMOTE_ADDR: 199.34.24.169
admin(10855):  SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.24_01
admin(10855):  GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(10855):  HTTP_COOKIE:
dialingdave:admin=280200000069487f013c73280000006334316636656136386238616539
6433643835633531343263323665303335373264393130346232
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(10855):  REMOTE_PORT: 1450
admin(10855):  SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(10855):  HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(10855):  HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.77 [en] (Win98; U)
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(10855):  REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  QUERY_STRING:
admin(10855):  SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(10855):  PATH_INFO: /dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  HTTP_HOST: www1.rubinsoftware.com
admin(10855):  REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(10855):  SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at
www1.rubinsoftware.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(10855):  SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(10855):  SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(10855):  PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(10855):  HTTP_REFERER:
http://www1.rubinsoftware.com/mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  SERVER_NAME: www1.rubinsoftware.com


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From david.ball at brahler-ics.co.uk  Mon Nov 26 13:53:54 2001
From: david.ball at brahler-ics.co.uk (David Ball)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:53:54 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissapearing messages
Message-ID: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA1@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>

Hi there

Some of our users never receive messages from the list, despite the fact
that I can see the message leaving our system as normal.

This always affects the same users, and there are no error messages or
bounces received by us or them. Messages sent from the console arrive
correctly, and other bounce messages are received correctly too (ie
address x at y.z is valid, fails to receive mail from the list, but
receives mail sent directly from the console, a at y.z is invalid, and
returns a bounce when sent from the console, other list members bounces
etc. are received)

I am using Postfix on rh7.1, and all outgoing mail is relayed via
smtp.bt.net

I am completely baffled - anyone got any ideas?

DaveB



From nb at thinkcoach.com  Mon Nov 26 14:02:57 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:02:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissapearing messages
In-Reply-To: 
	<ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA1@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
	(david.ball@brahler-ics.co.uk)
References: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA1@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200111261302.fAQD2vp12357@quill.local>

> Some of our users never receive messages from the list, despite the fact
> that I can see the message leaving our system as normal.
> 
> This always affects the same users, and there are no error messages or
> bounces received by us or them.

Most likely there's a spam filter on the receiving mailserver.
Some of them just discard spam messages without sending a bounce;
this is nasty is the case of false positives.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From david.ball at brahler-ics.co.uk  Mon Nov 26 14:25:29 2001
From: david.ball at brahler-ics.co.uk (David Ball)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:25:29 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissapearing messages
Message-ID: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA2@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>

> Most likely there's a spam filter on the receiving mailserver.
> Some of them just discard spam messages without sending a bounce;
> this is nasty is the case of false positives.

I thought this too, but what I can't understand is why mail sent from
the console gets delivered correctly.

Is there any part of the headers sent by mailman that might trigger a
spam trap?

I'm really stuck for what to try next :/

DaveB



From nb at thinkcoach.com  Mon Nov 26 14:43:05 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:43:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissapearing messages
In-Reply-To: 
	<ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA2@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
	(david.ball@brahler-ics.co.uk)
References: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA2@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200111261343.fAQDh5R12759@quill.local>

> > Most likely there's a spam filter on the receiving mailserver.
> > Some of them just discard spam messages without sending a bounce;
> > this is nasty is the case of false positives.
> 
> I thought this too, but what I can't understand is why mail sent from
> the console gets delivered correctly.
> 
> Is there any part of the headers sent by mailman that might trigger a
> spam trap?

Maybe the filter discards all messages where the recipient email
address is not mentioned in a To: or Cc: header.

Maybe it's the Precedence: header.

> I'm really stuck for what to try next :/

I'd suggest having a careful look at the headers of the outgoing
messages.  It is possible for lists to be misconfigured in ways
that result in invalid (broken) headers.

If you're sure that your headers are all fine, talk with a sysop
of one of the receiving mailservers.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From mi at alma.ch  Mon Nov 26 16:22:01 2001
From: mi at alma.ch (Milivoj Ivkovic)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:22:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] demime only archives, not list
In-Reply-To: <200111261343.fAQDh5R12759@quill.local>
References: < <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA2@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
 <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA2@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126161709.02d94ba0@net1.alma.ch>

Hi,

I have a list for which I would like to "Demime" mails before they are 
archived by pipermail, but not when sent to the list members.

Is there a way to insert demime just before archiving? I looked at the 
code, but unfortunately I don't know Python, and couldn't quite understand 
the flow of the messages.

Thanks,

Milivoj




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 26 18:40:47 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:40:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatically Deleting Held Messages
Message-ID: <008c01c176a1$7bb0ef90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Description:
  On some of my mailman lists, I don't want to look at the held messages - I
just want them deleted. Also, I'm never going to approve any subscribe
requests for those lists - I just want them deleted as well!

  In the example below Mailman was installed in /home/mailman.  I will use a
list named "hr". This particular list gets between 8 and 40 select pieces of
spam every day.  These are all caught by the Privacy Option:
    "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field" = yes

===
Doing it:
  - Delete all current requests using the web Admin. This will make the file
request.db empty (for that list).
  - Change directory to your lists configuration directory:
      /home/mailman/lists/hr/
  - Copy the file request.db to orig.request.db
  - su as mailman
  -  Create the script /home/mailman/bin/rm_held_msgs
######
#!/bin/bash
# This script removes the UCE that has accumulated for a list.
# First clear out the heldmessages in ~mailman/data
# Then replace the request.db in ~mailman/lists/<listname>/ with the
original
#
# HR list:
rm /home/mailman/data/heldmsg-hr-* 2> /dev/null
cp /home/mailman/lists/hr/orig.request.db /home/mailman/lists/hr/request.db

# other lists...
######

  - Make the script executable (chmod a+x  /home/mailman/bin/rm_held_msgs)
  - Edit crontab to have the script run hourly (crontab -e)
######
# Automatically remove held spam messages from lists like HR
59 * * * *      /home/mailman/bin/rm_held_msgs
######

===
The Details:
  Held messages are stored in ~mailman/data.  You can easily read, edit, or
delete them.  The messages are stored in files with the name:
      heldmsg- <list-name> - <number> .txt.

As an example held messages for hr would have names like this:
      heldmsg-hr-97.txt
      heldmsg-hr-98.txt
      heldmsg-hr-99.txt
      heldmsg-hr-100.txt

These files contain individual emails that were sent to your lists.  Mailman
stores these files here (as a sort of queue) and sends out either an
immediate message or a daily message alerting the admin of the waiting
messages.  Mailman will also use these held messages to load information
into a database for your list.  The name of this database is request.db.

The amount of information Mailman loads into request.db for every message is
determined by various settings in either ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py or
Defaults.py

When you browse via the web-admin and look at the waiting requests, you are
accessing the request.db database and not the actual files in
~mailman/data/..  For our purposes, we just want to blank out request.db.
We can probably just delete it, but I err on the side of caution and simply
replace it with an empty version.

I have my lists set to NOT alert me so that I only get the daily alert from
Mailman (in the web-admin under General Options):
      Should administrator get immediate notice of new requests,
      as well as daily notices about collected ones"       = no

The Mailman alert script then runs at exactly 5:00pm every day, so I could
set the script to kick off once a day at 4:59pm and I would never get bugged
about held messages (for lists in my script).  Instead I run the script
hourly at 59 minutes past the hour.  The effect is the same, I just don't
like letting spam hang out on my server longer than an hour.

The first active line in the script uses a redirect to get rid of warnings -
should there currently be no held messages for the list.  A redirect with a
2 in front of it specifically catches console warning messages:
      .... 2> /dev/null   # sends warnings into the bit bucket

===
Disclaimer:
  The solution above is elegant only in its simplicity.  I started out on
Thanksgiving holiday with every intention of making an elegant hack in the
Python code so that I could simply send held messages into the bit bucket,
rather than have the buggers bother me with emails I darn-well *knew* I
wanted deleted.  However, after about 10 minutes of tracing things, the
above solution occurred to me.

So I wrote the script and added it to cron and was done in less than 30
minutes... It's been tested for 4 days here, and works great for me.

There are a lot of solutions to the problem of dumping held-messages in
Mailman.  This one is mine.  As with anything you get for free, use at your
own risk.  If you play with it and break it (even if you follow my
directions), it's your own fault.

Jon Carnes




From simon at titanic.co.uk  Mon Nov 26 19:04:01 2001
From: simon at titanic.co.uk (Simon Faulkner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:04:01 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umber of members on each page
Message-ID: <LMBBKPGHPFCLKIKDLMHBAELNGCAA.simon@titanic.co.uk>

Where the members admin displays 30 members per page - can it do more?

I would sacrifice a bit of speed for all 200 members on one page...


Simon



From gaf at blu.org  Mon Nov 26 19:19:58 2001
From: gaf at blu.org (Jerry Feldman)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:19:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissapearing messages
In-Reply-To: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA1@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3C02417E.30025.1AD7AA28@localhost>

There are a few reasons for this. The SPAM filter is valid. I had a similar 
problem with majordomo. All email to my recipients at bellsouth.net were 
being bounced and unknown user. When I moved the list over to mailman 
(and Postfix) the problem was eliminated. 

Another possibility, is that the postfix binaries on Red Hat 7.1 are 
broken. There is a FAQ on it. I would suggest that you build postfix from 
sources. 

Also, postfix itself has some aggressive SPAM filters. I found several of 
my users were not receiving email because of this. We ended up relaxing 
the SPAM filters. (I don't think that this is your problem though).
On 26 Nov 2001, at 12:53, David Ball wrote:

> Hi there
> 
> Some of our users never receive messages from the list, despite the fact
> that I can see the message leaving our system as normal.
> 
> This always affects the same users, and there are no error messages or
> bounces received by us or them. Messages sent from the console arrive
> correctly, and other bounce messages are received correctly too (ie
> address x at y.z is valid, fails to receive mail from the list, but
> receives mail sent directly from the console, a at y.z is invalid, and
> returns a bounce when sent from the console, other list members bounces
> etc. are received)
> 
> I am using Postfix on rh7.1, and all outgoing mail is relayed via
> smtp.bt.net
> 
> I am completely baffled - anyone got any ideas?
> 
> DaveB
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
Associate Director
Boston Linux and Unix user group
http://www.blu.org



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 26 19:25:17 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:25:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissapearing messages 
In-Reply-To: Message from "David Ball" <david.ball@brahler-ics.co.uk> 
   of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:53:54 GMT." <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA1@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk> 
References: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA1@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk> 
Message-ID: <1954.1006799117@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:53:54 -0000 
David Ball <david.ball at brahler-ics.co.uk> wrote:

> This always affects the same users, and there are no error
> messages or bounces received by us or them. Messages sent from the
> console arrive correctly, and other bounce messages are received
> correctly too (ie address x at y.z is valid, fails to receive mail
> from the list, but receives mail sent directly from the console,
> a at y.z is invalid, and returns a bounce when sent from the console,
> other list members bounces etc. are received)

If the ISP in question is AOL you may be running into their RCPT TO
spam filter.  Try cutting the number of RCPT TOs per message down.

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From dan at ssc.com  Mon Nov 26 19:28:47 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:28:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dissapearing messages
In-Reply-To: <3C02417E.30025.1AD7AA28@localhost>
References: <ED61B57E9C0B1F4486E6538E1EEE8B8602DEA1@server.cambridge.brahler-ics.co.uk> <3C02417E.30025.1AD7AA28@localhost>
Message-ID: <20011126102847.I22069@ssc.com>

And another possibility.  The recipients themselves may be operating
spam filters, for example procmail filters, which screen out messages
not apparently addressed to them.

To operate such a filter successfully, exemptions need to be written
in for lists.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:19:58PM -0500, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> There are a few reasons for this. The SPAM filter is valid. I had a similar 
> problem with majordomo. All email to my recipients at bellsouth.net were 
> being bounced and unknown user. When I moved the list over to mailman 
> (and Postfix) the problem was eliminated. 
> 
> Another possibility, is that the postfix binaries on Red Hat 7.1 are 
> broken. There is a FAQ on it. I would suggest that you build postfix from 
> sources. 
> 
> Also, postfix itself has some aggressive SPAM filters. I found several of 
> my users were not receiving email because of this. We ended up relaxing 
> the SPAM filters. (I don't think that this is your problem though).
> On 26 Nov 2001, at 12:53, David Ball wrote:
> 
> > Hi there
> > 
> > Some of our users never receive messages from the list, despite the fact
> > that I can see the message leaving our system as normal.
> > 
> > This always affects the same users, and there are no error messages or
> > bounces received by us or them. Messages sent from the console arrive
> > correctly, and other bounce messages are received correctly too (ie
> > address x at y.z is valid, fails to receive mail from the list, but
> > receives mail sent directly from the console, a at y.z is invalid, and
> > returns a bounce when sent from the console, other list members bounces
> > etc. are received)
> > 
> > I am using Postfix on rh7.1, and all outgoing mail is relayed via
> > smtp.bt.net
> > 
> > I am completely baffled - anyone got any ideas?
> > 
> > DaveB
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> Jerry Feldman <gaf at blu.org>
> Associate Director
> Boston Linux and Unix user group
> http://www.blu.org
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From moseleymm at hank.org  Mon Nov 26 19:48:53 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:48:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied:
  '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011125124832.01d090d0@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011126104853.02529bb4@pop3.hank.org>

At 12:48 PM 11/25/01 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:

I'm posting this for the sake of the archive.  And please correct me if
anything is wrong here.

>File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

Here's the problem, I think.  My mistake was that I thought that incoming
mail was delivered to the wrapper program which then sent out the mail to
all the members of the list.  I now see that qrunner does that work, as
called by cron every minute.

Now, the install directions say:

    - Add a new user called `mailman'.  Typically this is added to
      your /etc/passwd file.  If username `mailman' is already in use,
      choose something else unique and see the --with-ownername flag
      below.

    - Add a new group called `mailman'....

So, the user "mailman" doesn't belong to group "mailman".  

When the web server write the config.db file it runs su-guid but not suid.
So you get user "nobody" (the web uid) and group "mailman".

config.db -rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman      2968 Nov 25 11:35

But when cron runs as user "mailman" it doesn't belong to group "mailman"
so no permission.

To fix I made "mailman" the default group for user "mailman".  I also had
to reload the crontab, as it seems that my cron was caching the gid.

It needs to be clear in the docs that the user "mailman" needs to be group
"mailman" too.

I'm curious what I did wrong, because others seem to install without this
problem.

Also, does everyone have to run bin/check_perms -f ?

I'm running make and make install as
> id
uid=506(mailman) gid=105(mailman) groups=105(mailman)

and I still had to fix the permissions with bin/check_perms -f.




Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From andre at dieball.net  Mon Nov 26 19:50:46 2001
From: andre at dieball.net (Andre Dieball)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:50:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htDig in 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B10B415@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.de>

Hi

I'm trying to install htdig with Mailman 2.0.7.

I saw, that there are several patches available for that, but all of
them are for 2.0.6

What do I have to do to let htdig search my archives?

Thanks in advance

Rgds.
	Andre






From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Mon Nov 26 19:54:54 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:54:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission 
 denied:'/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126104853.02529bb4@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <3C028FFD.F275FE38@utopia.west.sun.com>


> Now, the install directions say:
> 
>     - Add a new user called `mailman'.  Typically this is added to
>       your /etc/passwd file.  If username `mailman' is already in use,
>       choose something else unique and see the --with-ownername flag
>       below.
> 
>     - Add a new group called `mailman'....
> 
> So, the user "mailman" doesn't belong to group "mailman".

I must confess it never even occurred to me that someone would create 
the user and the group and not connect them, but you're right, the
instructions don't explicitly call that out.

Chuckle.  It just goes to show you.



From moseleymm at hank.org  Mon Nov 26 19:59:23 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:59:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and virtual hosts
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org>

I've got a setup where all mail that comes in to hank.org (except for a few
other people) gets delivered to me.  This is done with sendmail's
virtusertable.

The problem is that virtusertable seems to override the settings in the
aliases file for Mailman.

In my virtusertable I have:

@hank.org               moseley+%1

So if I have a list test at hank.org, and add aliases 

test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:              test-admin

mail to test at hank.org still goes directly to moseley.

Anywone know a fix?

Does Postfix make this kind of thing easier?




Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 20:12:21 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:12:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail and virtual hosts
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <3C029415.43127FA5@pcraft.com>

Bill Moseley wrote:

> In my virtusertable I have:
>
> @hank.org               moseley+%1
>
> So if I have a list test at hank.org, and add aliases
>
> test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
> test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> test-owner:              test-admin
>
> mail to test at hank.org still goes directly to moseley.

    In your virtusertable:

    #mailing lists
    test at hank.org          test
    test-admin at hank.org    test-admin
    test-request at hank.org  test-request
    test-owner at hank.org    test-owner

    #catchall rule
    @hank.org              moseley+%1

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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 26 20:16:20 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:16:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
References: <LMBBKPGHPFCLKIKDLMHBAELNGCAA.simon@titanic.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00fd01c176ae$d47837c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Edit your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file  (See your Default.py file for the
values to copy over and edit).

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Faulkner" <simon at titanic.co.uk>
To: "Mailman" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:04 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umber of members on each page


> Where the members admin displays 30 members per page - can it do more?
>
> I would sacrifice a bit of speed for all 200 members on one page...
>
>
> Simon
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From moseleymm at hank.org  Mon Nov 26 20:18:39 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:18:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail and virtual hosts
In-Reply-To: <3C029415.43127FA5@pcraft.com>
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011126111839.01f33108@pop3.hank.org>

At 12:12 PM 11/26/01 -0700, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>    In your virtusertable:
>
>    #mailing lists
>    test at hank.org          test
>    test-admin at hank.org    test-admin
>    test-request at hank.org  test-request
>    test-owner at hank.org    test-owner
>
>    #catchall rule
>    @hank.org              moseley+%1

Thanks, that's what was I worried about.  ;)

Do people use shell scripts to do all this work?

su - mailman
bin/newlist foo
su
<edit /etc/mail/aliases>
newaliase
<edit /etc/mail/virtusertable>
makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable
<restart sendmail>

Actually, the problem with that is the bin/newlist should be done last as
it sends mail to the new list admin, and if done first, the list isn't
really setup yet.

Thanks for the help!



Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov 26 20:21:01 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:21:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem during compiling
In-Reply-To: <571EA6FEBC26D41198FF009027FC9F440388E715@sfmail1.Advent.COM>
References: <571EA6FEBC26D41198FF009027FC9F440388E715@sfmail1.Advent.COM>
Message-ID: <20011126142101.A4715@mems-exchange.org>

On 20 November 2001, rxie at advent.com said:
> I always get this error messages even though I've already created the
> username as 'mailman' and group as 'mailman'.  I am running Solaris 8 with
> python version 2.1.1 on UltraSpac 10. 
[...]
> checking for mailman UID... Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "conftest.py", line 1, in ?
>     import pwd, string
> ImportError: ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1: open
> failed: 
> No such file or directory

It looks like your Python installation is completely broken.  Can you
use Python at all?  What do you get if you just run "python" from a
shell?

        Greg



From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 20:30:50 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:30:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail and virtual hosts
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011126111839.01f33108@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <3C02986A.BCF7BBAA@pcraft.com>

Bill Moseley wrote:

> Do people use shell scripts to do all this work?

    Nope, by hand.


> su - mailman
> bin/newlist foo
> su
> <edit /etc/mail/aliases>
> newaliase
> <edit /etc/mail/virtusertable>
> makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable
> <restart sendmail>
>
> Actually, the problem with that is the bin/newlist should be done last as
> it sends mail to the new list admin, and if done first, the list isn't
> really setup yet.

    I open two windows to my server:

    window 1 [ as mailman ]:
        ./bin/newlist
            - list name
            - email
            - password
            [ pause - go to window 2 ]

    window 2 [ as root ]:
        vi /etc/mail/aliases
            add list aliases
        vi /etc/mail/virtusertable
            add list users
        makemap on virtusertable
        newaliases
            [ back to window 1 ]

    window 1 [ as mailman ]:
        hit return
            MM sends out email.

    AMK4

--
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Nov 26 20:35:52 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:35:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-characters in subject
In-Reply-To: <20011126172346.A18741@dan.icpdas.com>
References: <20011126172346.A18741@dan.icpdas.com>
Message-ID: <20011126143552.B4715@mems-exchange.org>

On 26 November 2001, Reed Lai said:
> I just found multi-characters in subject, for example,
> a big5 Chinese encording that came from Mutt mail client
> 
> 	Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C3=F6=A9=F3=BC=D0=C3D=AA=BA=A4=A4=A4=E5=BDs=BDX?=
              ^^^^^^^^^^

This means the subject line is encoded with ISO-8859-1, aka Latin-1.
This encoding works great for English, French, German, Spanish, and the
other major Western European languages.  If you can use to encode
Chinese, I'll eat my shorts.  ;->

Looks like a misconfigured email client to me.  Not much Mailman can do
about that.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From dan at ssc.com  Mon Nov 26 20:37:34 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:37:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail and virtual hosts
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011126111839.01f33108@pop3.hank.org>
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011126111839.01f33108@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <20011126113734.N22069@ssc.com>

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 11:18:39AM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> At 12:12 PM 11/26/01 -0700, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> >    In your virtusertable:
> >
> >    #mailing lists
> >    test at hank.org          test
> >    test-admin at hank.org    test-admin
> >    test-request at hank.org  test-request
> >    test-owner at hank.org    test-owner
> >
> >    #catchall rule
> >    @hank.org              moseley+%1
> 
> Thanks, that's what was I worried about.  ;)
> 
> Do people use shell scripts to do all this work?

Some do.

Such scripts are penny-ante stuff, not at all hard to write,
but unfortunately, the desired result varies a lot from site to site.  

For example, ours go in a file called /etc/aliases.d/lists, and we 
add a couple of aliases that handle reasonable misinterpretations 
based on how other list managers do it, of how to get mail to the 
list owner.  The postprocessing varies from what's shown below,
too.

> 
> su - mailman
> bin/newlist foo
> su
> <edit /etc/mail/aliases>
> newaliase
> <edit /etc/mail/virtusertable>
> makemap hash virtusertable < virtusertable
> <restart sendmail>
> 
> Actually, the problem with that is the bin/newlist should be done last as
> it sends mail to the new list admin, and if done first, the list isn't
> really setup yet.
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley at hank.org

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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 26 20:41:27 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:41:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and virtual hosts
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <011d01c176b2$56beddd0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The fix is to specify every email address for a virtual domain in the
virtusertable.  That is the design of Sendmail.
Your virtusertable should look like this:
   test at hank.org     test at localhost
   test-admin at hank.org   test-admin at localhost
   test-request at hank.org   test-request at localhost
   test-owner at hank.org   test-owner at localhost
   @hank.org   moseley at localhost

Now the email addresses are actually defined in the domain hank.org!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Moseley" <moseleymm at hank.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:59 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and virtual hosts


> I've got a setup where all mail that comes in to hank.org (except for a
few
> other people) gets delivered to me.  This is done with sendmail's
> virtusertable.
>
> The problem is that virtusertable seems to override the settings in the
> aliases file for Mailman.
>
> In my virtusertable I have:
>
> @hank.org               moseley+%1
>
> So if I have a list test at hank.org, and add aliases
>
> test:                    "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> test-admin:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
> test-request:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> test-owner:              test-admin
>
> mail to test at hank.org still goes directly to moseley.
>
> Anywone know a fix?
>
> Does Postfix make this kind of thing easier?
>
>
>
>
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley at hank.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From frlord at webmethods.com  Mon Nov 26 21:46:27 2001
From: frlord at webmethods.com (F. Ross Lord)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spot of trouble migrating lists.
Message-ID: <20011126154627.M27969@webmethods.com>

Hello all.  I have a problem and I'm not quite where to start.  I have looked through the documentation as best I can, and I haven't found any good guides.  I have about 40 mailing lists with archives on a mail server that is due to be turned off in about 2 weeks.  I need to migrate all of those lists to another server.  I have installed Mailman on the second server, and I can create/admin new lists that have been created on that server.  I took one of my existing lists, copied everything in $prefix/archives/public/listname and $prefix/archives/private/listname, everything in $prefix/lists/listname to the new server.  I ran $prefix/bin/new_list on it.  Here is what works:

the admin pages work
the archive pages work
the listinfo for the list works
mail to the list works

There is one thing that isn't working.  The listinfo page (which has all lists served on that machine) does not have an entry for the list that was migrated.  Does anyone know how I can resolve that?  Also, if there anyone who has a good set of instructions for migrating lists that might help me, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
 
 -- frl

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From miket at scitechsoft.com  Mon Nov 26 21:47:06 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:47:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Requests
Message-ID: <3C0239CA.13810.EBB326@localhost>

Administrative requests for mailing list:

How can I add key words that will get flagged and put into this 
catagory.  As of no I get messages her if a post contains help in 
the subject.  I would also like to flag remove, unsubscribe, and 
take me off your list.  

Thanks for your help
MikeT



From moseleymm at hank.org  Mon Nov 26 21:49:26 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:49:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping attachments and DATES
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011126124926.0221d1d4@pop3.hank.org>

I looked through the config file. I hope I didn't miss it.

1) Is there a way to either a) bounce messages with attachments, or b)
strip attachments?

2) Look at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/ and you
will see what I mean.  Is there a way to use the date received instead of
the Date: header?

Thanks,

Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From marina at programmer-software.com  Sat Nov 24 11:29:40 2001
From: marina at programmer-software.com (marina)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:29:40 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
Message-ID: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>

Hi,

Does anybody know whether there's a way for Mailman to ask (and
remember) subscriber names, as well as their email addresses?

We're moving over to Pairlist a list where this is particularly
important (i.e. being able to keep track of the NAMES of the members),
and I would appreciate suggestions on how to do it.

Since I'm not a member of this list, I'd be grateful if you could cc'
marina at programmer-software.com!

TIA :-)
marina






From alfafox at prodigy.net.mx  Sat Nov 24 19:47:27 2001
From: alfafox at prodigy.net.mx (Alex Franz)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:47:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help
Message-ID: <3BFFEB3F.2448BEF4@prodigy.net.mx>

Can you please tell me how to erase old posts?

Thanks,

Alex Franz
http://alcione.org/mailman/private/lista_alcione_alcione.org/2001-October/thread.html

__________________________________________

I would like to erase the BOLD samples

Sample:

001-October Archives by Thread

     Messages sorted by: [ subject ] [ author ] [ date ]
     More info on this list...

Starting: Thu Oct 11 06:44:42 2001
Ending: Fri Oct 12 03:07:21 2001
Messages: 7

     [Lista_alcione] Prueba oct 11 2001   Alex Franz
     [Lista_alcione] Prueba 2   Alex Franz
     [Lista_Alcione] Prueba 3   Alex Franz
     [Lista_Alcione] Prueba 4   Alex Franz
     [Lista_Alcione] Prueba 4   Alex Franz
     [Lista_Alcione] El tiempo   Alex Franz
     [Lista_Alcione] test8   Alex Franz

Last message date: Fri Oct 12 03:07:21 2001
Archived on: Thu Oct 11 20:10:00 2001

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From Paul at Rubin.net  Mon Nov 26 04:18:01 2001
From: Paul at Rubin.net (Paul Rubin)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:18:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with archiver after updating server.
Message-ID: <NDBBJKCOGLMOJDNHABMOAEDGDHAA.Paul@Rubin.net>

I very recently upgraded my server, in the process I went from exim to
sendmail, I went from redhat 7.0 to redhat 7.2  I re-formatted the drive and
restored the mailman files from the backup.  I appear to have a problem of
some sort with the archiving.

can someone tell me how to diagnose this problem further, so that I can fix
it?

Thank you.

admin(10855): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(10855): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(10855):     main()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 152, in main
admin(10855):     ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgidata, doc)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 940, in
ChangeOptions
admin(10855):     mlist.DeleteMember(user)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1184, in
DeleteMember
admin(10855):     self.Save()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 861, in Save
admin(10855):     self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256,
in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
admin(10855):     makelink(privdir, pubdir)
admin(10855):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42,
in makelink
admin(10855):     os.symlink(old, new)
admin(10855): OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
admin(10855): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(10855): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Jul  5 2001, 03:02:19)  [GCC 2.96
20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2
admin(10855): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(10855): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(10855): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(10855): sys.path       = /usr
admin(10855): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(10855): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(10855):  DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADDR: 216.27.160.51
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(10855):  CONTENT_LENGTH: 3166
admin(10855):  CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(10855):  PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  REMOTE_ADDR: 199.34.24.169
admin(10855):  SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b DAV/1.0.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.24_01
admin(10855):  GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(10855):  HTTP_COOKIE:
dialingdave:admin=280200000069487f013c73280000006334316636656136386238616539
6433643835633531343263323665303335373264393130346232
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(10855):  REMOTE_PORT: 1450
admin(10855):  SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(10855):  HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(10855):  HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.77 [en] (Win98; U)
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(10855):  HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(10855):  REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  QUERY_STRING:
admin(10855):  SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(10855):  PATH_INFO: /dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  HTTP_HOST: www1.rubinsoftware.com
admin(10855):  REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(10855):  SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.20 Server at
www1.rubinsoftware.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(10855):  SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(10855):  SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(10855):  SCRIPT_FILENAME: /var/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(10855):  PYTHONPATH: /var/mailman
admin(10855):  HTTP_REFERER:
http://www1.rubinsoftware.com/mailman/admin/dialingdave/members
admin(10855):  SERVER_NAME: www1.rubinsoftware.com




From christopher.rajah at mrc.ac.za  Mon Nov 26 09:34:59 2001
From: christopher.rajah at mrc.ac.za (Christopher Rajah)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:34:59 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password
Message-ID: <10FF6EA954D90744BF7B7931D3892D1E0704EB@mrcsdd03.pilot.mrc.ac.za>

Hi All

I want to remove password checking for individual users . 
So a user is able to unsubscribe , make perference changes etc
without  having to type in a  password.

I can easily change the html , but the cgi programs are already compiled
, where can I get the source!

best regards
Christopher Rajah



From edeTOREPLYREMOVEALLUPPERCASECHARS at knup.de  Mon Nov 26 18:18:07 2001
From: edeTOREPLYREMOVEALLUPPERCASECHARS at knup.de (EdE)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:18:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature request
Message-ID: <20011126181807.A21154@knup.knup.de>

hi,

i'm using mailman for about one year at my site.
during this time i realized that it would be nice to have a feature
to include one or more email-adresses temporarily to the list (without
the prior subscribing-stuff):

example:

you start a discussion and send your mail to a list and also
to a non-list user (to: list at do.main, user at an.other).
the replies from the listmembers now only will go back to the list,
but user at an.other never sees them.
of course you can forward all mails to him (probably with resetting
the reply-to line back to the list), but that could be take a lot of
time.

now it would be nice if mailman recognizes the other adress in the
to-line and treat user at an.other in this thread-context as a list
member.

of course this feature should be optional because it'll only be nice
on non-private lists, etc.

furthermore there has to be a feature to determine where the mail
comes from (user or remailer), to avoid list2list bounces.

nevertheless, i had this idea today and i thought this would be the
right place to tell.

have fun.



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From joe at nerdnet.com  Mon Nov 26 18:24:34 2001
From: joe at nerdnet.com (Joe Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:24:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted
Message-ID: <1006795474.3c027ad300a26@mail.nerdnet.com>

I've been using mailman for about 2 years now and recently I upgraded to 2.0.7 
and Sendmail 8.12.0 ... Mailman installs fine and it will send mail with no 
problems, but it wont allow in mail to come into the system for processing:

Error returned is:

The original message was received at Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:58:28 -0700 
from nobody at localhost [127.0.0.1] 

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- 
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd rsg" 
    (expanded from: <rsg-request at nerdnet.com>) 

   ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 
sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted 
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 126 

---------

I have recompiled sendmail, reinstalled mailman, read all the docs and sifted 
thru this list 20 different times, all to no avail.  Can anyone shed any light 
on this for me at all? 

Thanks
Joe Jenkins


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From dabad at cidadei.com.br  Mon Nov 26 21:09:29 2001
From: dabad at cidadei.com.br (Daniel Abad)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:09:29 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password really necessary??
Message-ID: <9CF6FAED416EA043A968ED643E13719502C6C318@prima-exc01.cidadei.com.br>

Hi,

I was looking for a mailing list system and Mailman seems to be very
interesting... but I have a question. The Password is really necessary for
the users?? I was thinking just to validate the email address, shoud this be
possible?? 

Tks. Dan

 



From jose at iquest.ucsb.edu  Mon Nov 26 20:51:21 2001
From: jose at iquest.ucsb.edu (Jose Guevarra)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:51:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate/export lists to other programs
Message-ID: <GCEIIHBMJCIKDOIHENGJCEFPCDAA.jose@iquest.ucsb.edu>

Hi,

  Is there a way to export the mailing list in MailMan to some universal
form?  I want to import them into a windows-based list server.

thanx,





From dbrown at nrao.edu  Mon Nov 26 22:58:02 2001
From: dbrown at nrao.edu (David L Brown)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:58:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1602 - 1 msg
In-Reply-To: <E168P86-0004gB-00@mail.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 12:01:14PM -0500
References: <E168P86-0004gB-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20011126165802.H18190@banach.nrao.edu>

Oh, I was going to include the old membership list from
gbt-software-reports-digest.

Here it is.


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Joe McMullin <jmcmulli at nrao.edu>
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Darrell Schiebel <dschieb at nrao.edu>
Roger Norrod <rnorrod at nrao.edu>
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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Nov 26 23:32:36 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:32:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail and virtual hosts 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley@pcraft.com> 
   of "Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:30:50 MST." <3C02986A.BCF7BBAA@pcraft.com> 
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011126111839.01f33108@pop3.hank.org>  <3C02986A.BCF7BBAA@pcraft.com> 
Message-ID: <6067.1006813956@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:30:50 -0700 
Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> wrote:
> Bill Moseley wrote:

>> Do people use shell scripts to do all this work?

>     Nope, by hand.

Some of us use MTA configurations so that we don't need any
list-specific aliases.  Exim is particularly good at this.

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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 26 23:33:50 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:33:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password
References: <10FF6EA954D90744BF7B7931D3892D1E0704EB@mrcsdd03.pilot.mrc.ac.za>
Message-ID: <022201c176ca$6be7f6c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.005.htp

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Rajah" <christopher.rajah at mrc.ac.za>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:34 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password


> Hi All
> 
> I want to remove password checking for individual users . 
> So a user is able to unsubscribe , make perference changes etc
> without  having to type in a  password.
> 
> I can easily change the html , but the cgi programs are already compiled
> , where can I get the source!
> 
> best regards
> Christopher Rajah
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 26 23:39:56 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:39:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted
References: <1006795474.3c027ad300a26@mail.nerdnet.com>
Message-ID: <022e01c176cb$45c3c0e0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Looks like a smrsh problem.  You need to create a link from
/home/mailman/mail/wrapper to the smrsh directory.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Jenkins" <joe at nerdnet.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:24 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not
permitted


> I've been using mailman for about 2 years now and recently I upgraded to
2.0.7
> and Sendmail 8.12.0 ... Mailman installs fine and it will send mail with
no
> problems, but it wont allow in mail to come into the system for
processing:
>
> Error returned is:
>
> The original message was received at Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:58:28 -0700
> from nobody at localhost [127.0.0.1]
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd rsg"
>     (expanded from: <rsg-request at nerdnet.com>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper: Operation not permitted
> 554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 126
>
> ---------
>
> I have recompiled sendmail, reinstalled mailman, read all the docs and
sifted
> thru this list 20 different times, all to no avail.  Can anyone shed any
light
> on this for me at all?
>
> Thanks
> Joe Jenkins
>
>
> --
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>
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From jonc at haht.com  Mon Nov 26 23:43:26 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:43:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate/export lists to other programs
References: <GCEIIHBMJCIKDOIHENGJCEFPCDAA.jose@iquest.ucsb.edu>
Message-ID: <024001c176cb$c321dea0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Check out the commands in ~mailman/bin/..  You will find everything you need
there.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose Guevarra" <jose at iquest.ucsb.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 2:51 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate/export lists to other programs


> Hi,
>
>   Is there a way to export the mailing list in MailMan to some universal
> form?  I want to import them into a windows-based list server.
>
> thanx,
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Nov 26 23:48:08 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:48:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail and virtual hosts
References: <3.0.3.32.20011126105923.023c5834@pop3.hank.org> <3.0.3.32.20011126111839.01f33108@pop3.hank.org>  <3C02986A.BCF7BBAA@pcraft.com> <6067.1006813956@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3C02C6A8.CC9C76C4@pcraft.com>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> Some of us use MTA configurations so that we don't need any
> list-specific aliases.  Exim is particularly good at this.

    Everyone to their own elements (or toys), no?

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From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Nov 27 02:03:11 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:03:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htDig in 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.de>; from andre@dieball.net on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 07:50:46PM +0100
References: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B10B415@dogbert.comstornet.de> <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <20011126170311.J30163@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 07:50:46PM +0100, Andre Dieball wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm trying to install htdig with Mailman 2.0.7.
> 
> I saw, that there are several patches available for that, but all of
> them are for 2.0.6

The changes between .6 and .7 should be so minor that the patch should apply
as is.

BTW, I had to apply this patch for htdig to work on my system:
--- HyperArch.py        Tue Oct  9 17:38:33 2001
+++ /var/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py    Mon Oct 15 18:48:13 2001
@@ -810,6 +810,8 @@
         upath = os.path.join(mm_cfg.HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL, listname)
 ## for some reason when I add index.html to the following URL, run fails ??
         starturl = self.maillist.GetScriptURL('htdig') + '/'
+       # some servers have https, but htdig doesn't dig that :-) -- Marc
+       starturl = re.sub("^https", "http", starturl)
         # htdig MUST go via the file system to generate its indices so
         # we need the url which maps to the list's private archive
         urlpath = starturl

Marc
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From reed at icpdas.com  Tue Nov 27 03:02:08 2001
From: reed at icpdas.com (Reed Lai)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:02:08 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multi-characters in subject
In-Reply-To: <20011126143552.B4715@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:35:52PM -0500
References: <20011126172346.A18741@dan.icpdas.com> <20011126143552.B4715@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20011127100208.A19921@dan.icpdas.com>

On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 02:35:52PM -0500, Greg Ward wrote:
> On 26 November 2001, Reed Lai said:
> > I just found multi-characters in subject, for example,
> > a big5 Chinese encording that came from Mutt mail client
> > 
> > 	Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C3=F6=A9=F3=BC=D0=C3D=AA=BA=A4=A4=A4=E5=BDs=BDX?=
>               ^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> This means the subject line is encoded with ISO-8859-1, aka Latin-1.
> This encoding works great for English, French, German, Spanish, and the
> other major Western European languages.  If you can use to encode
> Chinese, I'll eat my shorts.  ;->

I know that problem of iso-8859-1 encoding, but I can't understand
that why sometimes the subject can be translated correctly,
sometimes can't be for the same subject.  I even changed the
"iso-8859-1" with "big5" and found it was no matter with the
result.  I checked other mailman lists used in big5 community, for
example XCIN (http://www.linux.org.tw/mailman/listinfo/xcin), and
found they also had same problem.  Maybe, this is a problem from
Python or Regular Express... the last new message in same thread
sometimes made whole thread was translated correctly but later,
strangely, failed again...

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From reb at taco.com  Tue Nov 27 03:49:36 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:49:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup script...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126213827.02e4a760@mail.taco.com>

There have been questions here of late regarding backups.

Using bin/list_lists I can get a list of the lists. I can then easily cycle
through each list and (for each one) do the following:

- Run bin/config_list
- Run bin/list_members (once for digested, once for regular members)
- Copy the complete archive or at least the mbox file of the archive.

I can then tar the whole mess up and copy it to tape, etc. for a
portable backup of my mailman installation.

I have several questions. First, am I forgetting to copy anything?
Will the above approach get me all the data I need to restore the
system?

Next, is there anything markedly different with v2.1 that would
make this unworkable, unwise, or unnecessary?

Finally, has anyone written such a script (or a similar one) so I don't
have to reinvent the wheel?

reb




From bob at nleaudio.com  Tue Nov 27 04:16:51 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff/NLE)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:16:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
References: <E168RQA-0003Zz-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3C0305A3.6EECD1DA@nleaudio.com>

> Edit your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file  (See your Default.py file for the
> values to copy over and edit).
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Faulkner" <simon at titanic.co.uk>
> To: "Mailman" <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:04 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] umber of members on each page
> 
> 
> > Where the members admin displays 30 members per page - can it do more?
> >


I've tried this with a couple lists, and it does NOT seem to work - still get the 30 members, no matter what you set that value in Defaults.py (or mm.cfg.py) to.

Bob



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Tue Nov 27 04:16:44 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:16:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
Message-ID: <200111270316.TAA16645@utopia.West.Sun.COM>


> I've tried this with a couple lists, and it does NOT seem to work - still get 
the 30 members, no matter what you set that value in Defaults.py (or mm.cfg.py) 
to.
>

Did you see my answer to this?

Defaults value is for new lists; it's stored in a list variable
at list-create time.




From bob at nleaudio.com  Tue Nov 27 04:24:28 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:24:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
References: <200111270316.TAA16645@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <3C03076C.A64BFCD4@nleaudio.com>

Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > I've tried this with a couple lists, and it does NOT seem to work - still get
> the 30 members, no matter what you set that value in Defaults.py (or mm.cfg.py)
> to.
> >
> 
> Did you see my answer to this?

I was replying to your answer! <g>

> Defaults value is for new lists; it's stored in a list variable
> at list-create time.

So how do you change it for a list already created?  Export the config file, mess with it, then re-import?

Bob



From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Nov 27 04:34:10 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:34:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup script...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126213827.02e4a760@mail.taco.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126213827.02e4a760@mail.taco.com>
Message-ID: <p05101000b828b9a4035a@[207.149.192.229]>

At 21:49 -0500 11/26/2001, Phydeaux wrote:
>Using bin/list_lists I can get a list of the lists. I can then easily cycle
>through each list and (for each one) do the following:
>
>- Run bin/config_list
>- Run bin/list_members (once for digested, once for regular members)
>- Copy the complete archive or at least the mbox file of the archive.
>
>I can then tar the whole mess up and copy it to tape, etc. for a
>portable backup of my mailman installation.
>
>I have several questions. First, am I forgetting to copy anything?
>Will the above approach get me all the data I need to restore the
>system?

I don't think the above has captured various user flags other than digest
vs regular.

I believe a restore will not restore subscriber choices like not-me-to,
no-mail, hidden, and some others.

   --John

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From barry at zope.com  Tue Nov 27 05:11:52 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
References: <200111270316.TAA16645@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
	<3C03076C.A64BFCD4@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <15363.4744.214657.84353@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "B" == Bob  <bob at nleaudio.com> writes:

    B> So how do you change it for a list already created?  Export the
    B> config file, mess with it, then re-import?

Make bin/withlist your best friend! :)




From john at nisus.com  Tue Nov 27 04:47:29 2001
From: john at nisus.com (jgo)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:47:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] not being told of pending administrative
 requests
Message-ID: <l03130306b828ba084961@[207.215.130.171]>

> Peter Jay Salzman at 2001-11-21 09:03:02 -0800 wrote:
> 1. user subscribes to list
> 2. user gets confirmation notice
> 3. user replies to confirmation notice
> 4. i get no email that there's a pending request waiting for me

> the only way to learn of the pending request is to visit the admin page.

ditto.  I've tried it both with admin intervention required for subscribe
and without.  The Mailman subscribe log shows "pending", the last thing
I find in any other logs I know of says that the confirmation message
was received.  Someone suggested I double-check the /etc/aliases file,
and I did that; looks reasonable from what I've seen posted, here.
Don't know what other places to check.

Using the bin/whatever programs works or at least the ones I do that
way show up in the web page.

The intention is for this to be run in "news-letter" fashion, where
only the admin can post.

Mac OS X   10.1
Mailman    2.0.7
sendmail   8.10.2
Python     2+

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
Existence, Consciousness, Identity, Life, Liberty, Property, Privacy, Justice





From richard at 4qd.org  Tue Nov 27 11:00:49 2001
From: richard at 4qd.org (Richard Torrens)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:00:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin FAQ/Instructions?
Message-ID: <4adfec99bdrichard@4qd.org>

Is there a set of instructions for list administrators anywhere?

In particular, I wanyt to know how to delete postings from the archives. A
couple of the lists I run have just received copies of a virus!

Can I, for instance, simply delete the html file in the relevant archive?
Won't this upset the database?

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From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Tue Nov 27 13:04:12 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:04:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htDig in 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <20011126170311.J30163@magic.merlins.org>
References: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.de>
 <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B10B415@dogbert.comstornet.de>
 <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127110504.03676070@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 17:03 26/11/2001 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
>On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 07:50:46PM +0100, Andre Dieball wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm trying to install htdig with Mailman 2.0.7.
> >
> > I saw, that there are several patches available for that, but all of
> > them are for 2.0.6
>
>The changes between .6 and .7 should be so minor that the patch should apply
>as is.

The versions of these patches for MM 2.0.6 can be applied without problems 
to MM 2.0.7. I've added a comment to the patches on sourceforge to that effect.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

>BTW, I had to apply this patch for htdig to work on my system:

Presumably this was because the value of DEFAULT_URL set in either 
Default.py or mm_cfg.py on the system used the 'https' addressing scheme. 
If the DEFAULT_URL on a system uses the 'http' addressing scheme this patch 
shouldn't be necessary.

>--- HyperArch.py        Tue Oct  9 17:38:33 2001
>+++ /var/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py    Mon Oct 15 
>18:48:13 2001
>@@ -810,6 +810,8 @@
>          upath = os.path.join(mm_cfg.HTDIG_ARCHIVE_URL, listname)
>  ## for some reason when I add index.html to the following URL, run fails ??
>          starturl = self.maillist.GetScriptURL('htdig') + '/'
>+       # some servers have https, but htdig doesn't dig that :-) -- Marc
>+       starturl = re.sub("^https", "http", starturl)
>          # htdig MUST go via the file system to generate its indices so
>          # we need the url which maps to the list's private archive
>          urlpath = starturl

Due to some additional lines added to HyperArch.py in the latest version of 
patch 444884 (file htdig-2.0.6-03.patch) applying the above patch changing 
'https' to 'http' will generate a warning - something like "Hunk #1 
succeeded at 829 with fuzz 1 (offset 19 lines)." - but the patch succeeds.


>Marc
>--




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov 27 15:44:25 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:44:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
In-Reply-To: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <20011127094425.A19793@mems-exchange.org>

On 24 November 2001, marina said:
> Does anybody know whether there's a way for Mailman to ask (and
> remember) subscriber names, as well as their email addresses?

With Mailman 2.0.x, this is not possible.  Mailman only remembers
subscriber's address, password, and options.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov 27 15:54:16 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:54:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
In-Reply-To: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <20011127095416.B19793@mems-exchange.org>

On 24 November 2001, marina said:
> Does anybody know whether there's a way for Mailman to ask (and
> remember) subscriber names, as well as their email addresses?

I've just added a new entry to the FAQ Wizard:

  3.2. How can I track subscriber's real names?

  With Mailman 2.0.x, you can't: Mailman only remembers each subscriber's
  email address, password, and list options.

(Or visit http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.002.htp)

If this is wrong or incomplete, please visit the FAQ Wizard and update
it yourself.  In particular, can Mailman 2.1 track real names?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov 27 16:25:56 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:25:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need help
In-Reply-To: <3BFFEB3F.2448BEF4@prodigy.net.mx>
References: <3BFFEB3F.2448BEF4@prodigy.net.mx>
Message-ID: <20011127102556.D19793@mems-exchange.org>

On 24 November 2001, Alex Franz said:
> Can you please tell me how to erase old posts?

I've just added an entry to the Mailman FAQ wizard for this:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp

This is lightly tested, and hasn't yet been vetted by the experts.
Please let us know how it works for you!

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From reb at taco.com  Tue Nov 27 16:28:57 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:28:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup script...
In-Reply-To: <p05101000b828b9a4035a@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126213827.02e4a760@mail.taco.com>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20011126213827.02e4a760@mail.taco.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127102557.02ee8e60@mail.taco.com>

At 07:34 PM 11/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>At 21:49 -0500 11/26/2001, Phydeaux wrote:
>>Using bin/list_lists I can get a list of the lists. I can then easily cycle
>>through each list and (for each one) do the following:
>>
>>- Run bin/config_list
>>- Run bin/list_members (once for digested, once for regular members)
>>- Copy the complete archive or at least the mbox file of the archive.
>>
>>I can then tar the whole mess up and copy it to tape, etc. for a
>>portable backup of my mailman installation.
>>
>>I have several questions. First, am I forgetting to copy anything?
>>Will the above approach get me all the data I need to restore the
>>system?
>
>I don't think the above has captured various user flags other than digest
>vs regular.
>
>I believe a restore will not restore subscriber choices like not-me-to,
>no-mail, hidden, and some others.

True... so what is the best way to back things up? I'm loathe to just back up
the db files, as they can easily be modified while a tar is taking place. Is that
what everyone else is doing? Is there any facility for dumping user config
info? I must be missing something...

reb




From barry at zope.com  Tue Nov 27 16:38:00 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup script...
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126213827.02e4a760@mail.taco.com>
Message-ID: <15363.45912.671281.134348@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "P" == Phydeaux  <reb at taco.com> writes:

    P> Using bin/list_lists I can get a list of the lists. I can then
    P> easily cycle through each list and (for each one) do the
    P> following:

    P> - Run bin/config_list - Run bin/list_members (once for
    P> digested, once for regular members) - Copy the complete archive
    P> or at least the mbox file of the archive.

    P> I can then tar the whole mess up and copy it to tape, etc. for
    P> a portable backup of my mailman installation.

    P> I have several questions. First, am I forgetting to copy
    P> anything?  Will the above approach get me all the data I need
    P> to restore the system?

I'd say it would be much easier to just backup all of $prefix,
e.g. /home/mailman.  Is that too much stuff to backup?  It's a bit
more than you need if you're willing to re-install the system, but it
has the advantage that it'll backup all the waiting messages in qfiles
too.

For absolute best results, I'd try to make sure that the qrunner was
quiescent and that no one could change the list config.db files while
you're backing up.  This means temporarily turning off qrunner
(through cron) and preventing the cgi scripts from running.  You may
even want to shut off your MTA so you don't get half written files in
the qfiles directory.

    P> Next, is there anything markedly different with v2.1 that would
    P> make this unworkable, unwise, or unnecessary?

MM2.1 should have largely the same issues, except it'll have a long
running daemon instead of cron-invoked qrunners, so at least that part
will be easier to suspend during the backups.  And by default, MM2.1
installs in /usr/local/mailman instead of /home/mailman.

I wonder if it's worth putting blockers into MM2.1 to stop the cgi
from mucking with config.pck (renamed from config.db)?  OTOH, it isn't
Mailman's job to stop the MTA and that still should be done.

-Barry



From valites at geneseo.edu  Tue Nov 27 16:54:15 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup script...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127102557.02ee8e60@mail.taco.com>
Message-ID: <021D15BE-E34F-11D5-88B4-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

I posted this once before for backing up archives, dbs, and keeping all 
user info, but it had one small bug.  The files in archives/private/* 
had the wrong permissions set.  A small change took care of that.  Also, 
the $person_to_nag_with_700_emails variable doesn't matter if you use 
the --output argument to bin/newlist.  If you are moving to a new 
machine name, you will also want to set things with config_list - I 
cannot stress how powerful a tool this can be!

I think this will work for what you want, but of course this didn't fix 
my mailman woes :(

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On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 10:28 AM, Phydeaux wrote:

> At 07:34 PM 11/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>> At 21:49 -0500 11/26/2001, Phydeaux wrote:
>>> Using bin/list_lists I can get a list of the lists. I can then easily 
>>> cycle
>>> through each list and (for each one) do the following:
>>>
>>> - Run bin/config_list
>>> - Run bin/list_members (once for digested, once for regular members)
>>> - Copy the complete archive or at least the mbox file of the archive.
>>>
>>> I can then tar the whole mess up and copy it to tape, etc. for a
>>> portable backup of my mailman installation.
>>>
>>> I have several questions. First, am I forgetting to copy anything?
>>> Will the above approach get me all the data I need to restore the
>>> system?
>>
>> I don't think the above has captured various user flags other than 
>> digest
>> vs regular.
>>
>> I believe a restore will not restore subscriber choices like not-me-to,
>> no-mail, hidden, and some others.
>
> True... so what is the best way to back things up? I'm loathe to just 
> back up
> the db files, as they can easily be modified while a tar is taking 
> place. Is that
> what everyone else is doing? Is there any facility for dumping user 
> config
> info? I must be missing something...
>
> reb
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

From reb at taco.com  Tue Nov 27 17:08:21 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:08:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup script...
In-Reply-To: <15363.45912.671281.134348@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011126213827.02e4a760@mail.taco.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127105041.02d5db18@mail.taco.com>

At 10:38 AM 11/27/2001 -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>     P> Next, is there anything markedly different with v2.1 that would
>     P> make this unworkable, unwise, or unnecessary?
>
>MM2.1 should have largely the same issues, except it'll have a long
>running daemon instead of cron-invoked qrunners, so at least that part
>will be easier to suspend during the backups.  And by default, MM2.1
>installs in /usr/local/mailman instead of /home/mailman.
>
>I wonder if it's worth putting blockers into MM2.1 to stop the cgi
>from mucking with config.pck (renamed from config.db)?  OTOH, it isn't
>Mailman's job to stop the MTA and that still should be done.

But -- once the message has gone to the MTA Mailman is done with it,!

A  method to easily stop Mailman from processing things for a time
is what I'm really looking for. I don't mind backing up everything I
just want to ensure that I do not get an inconsistent set of files by
doing so while the set of files is being written to. Having to stop
qrunner, sendmail and my web server seems a bit extreme.

Anything that can be done to stop qrunner and to not have to stop the
.cgi interface of the web server (ie a backup lock for Mailman) would
be great.

reb




From valites at geneseo.edu  Tue Nov 27 17:21:12 2001
From: valites at geneseo.edu (Mark T. Valites)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backup script...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127110944.04dfd008@mail.taco.com>
Message-ID: <C5CDEB4F-E352-11D5-88B4-00039319DA20@geneseo.edu>

I should have mentioned this before...

One thing I did notice is that you will loose all pending administrative 
tasks, but I'll bet you can use dumpdb to see which lists have pending 
tasks.

On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 11:09 AM, Phydeaux wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> reb
>
> At 10:54 AM 11/27/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>> I posted this once before for backing up archives, dbs, and keeping 
>> all user info, but it had one small bug.  The files in 
>> archives/private/* had the wrong permissions set.  A small change took 
>> care of that.  Also, the $person_to_nag_with_700_emails variable 
>> doesn't matter if you use the --output argument to bin/newlist.  If 
>> you are moving to a new machine name, you will also want to set things 
>> with config_list - I cannot stress how powerful a tool this can be!
>>
>> I think this will work for what you want, but of course this didn't 
>> fix my mailman woes :(
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 10:28 AM, Phydeaux wrote:
>>
>>> At 07:34 PM 11/26/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>>>> At 21:49 -0500 11/26/2001, Phydeaux wrote:
>>>>> Using bin/list_lists I can get a list of the lists. I can then 
>>>>> easily cycle
>>>>> through each list and (for each one) do the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Run bin/config_list
>>>>> - Run bin/list_members (once for digested, once for regular members)
>>>>> - Copy the complete archive or at least the mbox file of the 
>>>>> archive.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can then tar the whole mess up and copy it to tape, etc. for a
>>>>> portable backup of my mailman installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have several questions. First, am I forgetting to copy anything?
>>>>> Will the above approach get me all the data I need to restore the
>>>>> system?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the above has captured various user flags other than 
>>>> digest
>>>> vs regular.
>>>>
>>>> I believe a restore will not restore subscriber choices like 
>>>> not-me-to,
>>>> no-mail, hidden, and some others.
>>>
>>> True... so what is the best way to back things up? I'm loathe to just 
>>> back up
>>> the db files, as they can easily be modified while a tar is taking 
>>> place. Is that
>>> what everyone else is doing? Is there any facility for dumping user 
>>> config
>>> info? I must be missing something...
>>>
>>> reb
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From marc_news at valinux.com  Tue Nov 27 17:35:53 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:35:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htDig in 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011127110504.03676070@pop.ftel.co.uk>; from R.Barrett@ftel.co.uk on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:04:12PM +0000
References: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.de> <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B10B415@dogbert.comstornet.de> <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.de> <20011126170311.J30163@magic.merlins.org> <5.1.0.14.2.20011127110504.03676070@pop.ftel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20011127083552.M14649@magic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 12:04:12PM +0000, Richard Barrett wrote:
> >BTW, I had to apply this patch for htdig to work on my system:
> 
> Presumably this was because the value of DEFAULT_URL set in either 
> Default.py or mm_cfg.py on the system used the 'https' addressing scheme. 

Correct.

> If the DEFAULT_URL on a system uses the 'http' addressing scheme this patch 
> shouldn't be necessary.
 
Correct, but for  the few using https, the resulting  failure is rather hard
to debug
If you could add this to the standard  patch when you get a chance, it would
be nice.

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From leanne at nacse.org  Tue Nov 27 17:54:48 2001
From: leanne at nacse.org (leanne lai)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:54:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the mail format
Message-ID: <200111271654.IAA18014@pancake.NACSE.ORG>

Hi, is there way to change the mail format of the mailing list?

eg if I want to change the List-Archive: to point to another web address or
if I want to add List-Owner to the mail?

Thank u in advance :)




From moseleymm at hank.org  Tue Nov 27 17:47:16 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:47:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htDig in 2.0.7
In-Reply-To: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B1BFE20@dogbert.comstornet.
 de>
References: <E53D2B1B97F442478EC0A49E62799C4B10B415@dogbert.comstornet.de>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011127084716.024c6ffc@pop3.hank.org>

At 07:50 PM 11/26/01 +0100, Andre Dieball wrote:
>I'm trying to install htdig with Mailman 2.0.7.

Swish-e can also be used.  Take a look at the archive search page at:

  http://www.swish-e.org/Discussion/search/swish.cgi

That's indexing a hypermail archive, which I assume is very similar to
pipermail.

There's about 3000 emails in that archive.  It takes about 20 seconds for
swish to create the index.



Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From barry at zope.com  Tue Nov 27 18:12:40 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:12:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
	<20011127095416.B19793@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <15363.51592.249787.804020@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GW" == Greg Ward <gward at mems-exchange.org> writes:

    GW> In particular, can Mailman 2.1 track real names?

Yes!



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Nov 27 18:25:33 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 12:25:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the mail format
In-Reply-To: <200111271654.IAA18014@pancake.NACSE.ORG>
References: <200111271654.IAA18014@pancake.NACSE.ORG>
Message-ID: <20011127122533.A20764@mems-exchange.org>

On 27 November 2001, leanne lai said:
> Hi, is there way to change the mail format of the mailing list?
> 
> eg if I want to change the List-Archive: to point to another web address or
> if I want to add List-Owner to the mail?

Mailman is open source software -- you can do whatever you want with it.
The only limitations are your imagination and your programming
abilities.

You could do worse than pick up a copy of *Learning Python* by David
Ascher and Mark Lutz (pub. by O'Reilly).  ;-)

        Greg



From moseleymm at hank.org  Tue Nov 27 18:49:10 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:49:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011127094910.01f824b8@pop3.hank.org>

I checked the FAQ, and the other faqw-mm

I'm looking for a way to just bounce non-member posts, saying that they are
not a member and they need to subscribe if they want to post.  These don't
need admin action.

The problem with the current setup is people post (often from a different
email address), get a message back saying their message is awaiting
approval, and then subscribe (or change email addresses) and resend.  Then
the admin approves and there is a duplicate message.

Speaking of which, it would be a nice feature for subscribers to setup
aliases so they can post from different accounts, but it looks like they
are posting from their main email address.  This is good for people that
post from work or home with different addresses.






Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Nov 27 19:41:05 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:41:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names 
In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Ward <gward@mems-exchange.org> 
   of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:54:16 EST." <20011127095416.B19793@mems-exchange.org> 
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>  <20011127095416.B19793@mems-exchange.org> 
Message-ID: <23439.1006886465@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:54:16 -0500 
Greg Ward <gward at mems-exchange.org> wrote:

> I've just added a new entry to the FAQ Wizard:

>   3.2. How can I track subscriber's real names?

Nice.  I've updated and extended it a bit.  Umm, actually I updated
and extended most of the current FAQ entries as well as adding a
couple.

Barry:  Mind adding a "General Questions" section?  The MTA/LDA/MDA
Q and others should go in there.

> In particular, can Mailman 2.1 track real names?

Yes.  Note that this is unreliable (The value of the GECOS field is
neither controlled or auditable).

-- 
J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From leanne at nacse.org  Tue Nov 27 01:21:51 2001
From: leanne at nacse.org (leanne lai)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:21:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the mail format
Message-ID: <200111270021.QAA08743@pancake.NACSE.ORG>

Hi, is there a way to change the mail format we receive from Mailman? Ie, can I 
add a field 

List-owner: name

or can I change so the the List-Archive point to another web address?

Thanks in advance :)




From sumanth at CS.ColoState.EDU  Tue Nov 27 06:24:41 2001
From: sumanth at CS.ColoState.EDU (sumanth)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:24:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <3C05B7D9@webmail.colostate.edu>

Do anybody know whether there is a command line interface





From res0k3ja at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 09:20:59 2001
From: res0k3ja at verizon.net (Greg Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:20:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add to the wishlist
Message-ID: <3C034CEB.780063D5@verizon.net>

I would like to add to the wish list.  User login/password
authentication should be able to use LDAP as an option. Python has an
LDAP interface. See http://python-ldap.sourceforge.net/

My LDAP tutorial/example might help in getting started:
http://yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialLDAP.html
Greg
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From moseley at hank.org  Tue Nov 27 16:13:12 2001
From: moseley at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 07:13:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
In-Reply-To: <20011127095416.B19793@mems-exchange.org>
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
 <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011127071312.006be34c@pop3.hank.org>

At 09:54 AM 11/27/2001 -0500, Greg Ward wrote:

>
>I've just added a new entry to the FAQ Wizard:

Should the FAQ Wizzard be listed on the list.org home page?



Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From miket at scitechsoft.com  Tue Nov 27 20:53:51 2001
From: miket at scitechsoft.com (miket at scitechsoft.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:53:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Requests
In-Reply-To: <019b01c176c2$b0bfb010$0b04010a@JCARNES>
Message-ID: <3C037ECF.10780.AEE120@localhost>

On 26 Nov 2001, at 16:38, Jon Carnes wrote:

> I think you will have to edit the source and add whatever key words you want
> to include.  In general you can edit any of the files that end in .py and
> later, when python runs the corresponding .pyc file, it will check the
> source file and see that it has a newer date, and then recompile that file
> before running it.
Yea I ithink I have found the correct source: 
/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py  The (admin_data =) section 
seems to hold the key words.  

Would you happen to know why some lists would treat this 
differntly. the list options are the same and it treats this differently, 
"Am I missing something?".

Thanks
MikeT

> 
> The .py files are fairly will documented and readable.  Be sure to save a
> backup of any file you modify - just in case...
> 
> Jon Carnes
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <miket at scitechsoft.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:47 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrative Requests
> 
> 
> >
> > Administrative requests for mailing list:
> >
> > How can I add key words that will get flagged and put into this
> > catagory.  As of no I get messages her if a post contains help in
> > the subject.  I would also like to flag remove, unsubscribe, and
> > take me off your list.
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> > MikeT
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 





From jonc at haht.com  Tue Nov 27 21:00:11 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:00:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list
References: <3.0.3.32.20011127094910.01f824b8@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <015101c1777e$1f88d3d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This script should get you what you want...  The example uses the list
"mylist".

#!/bin/bash
#  Autosend a message to non-list folks who email "mylist"
#    The message is stored in the file ~mailman/join_mylist.msg
#    it asks them to join the list - or join their secondary email
#    addresses to the list and use the 'no mail' option.
#
FROM="mylist-admin at mydomain.com"
#
cd ~mailman/data
MSGS="`ls heldmsg-mylist*`"
#
for i in "$MSGS"
do
  TO="`grep From: $i |head -1 |awk '{print $2}' `"
  SUBJ="`grep -i subject: $i |head -1 |cut -f2- -d: `"
  mail -s "RE: $SUBJ" $TO  < ~mailman/join_mylist.msg
  rm $i
done
#
#  The messages have all been responded to and deleted but
#   Mailman also puts a small copy in a database in the list's
#   directory in a database called request.db.  This assumes
#   that you have made a copy of "request.db" while empty
#   and called the empty one "orig.request.db"
cp ~mailman/lists/mylist/orig.request.db ~mailman/lists/mylist/request.db

# end of script.

Now put this script in the crontab for the user "mailman" and run it hourly
at 59 minutes past the hour:
  59 * * * *    ~mailman/bin/join_mylist_script

For this to work, you need to do a bit of preperation.  Mainly, you need to
clear out any waiting requests for the list, and then make a copy of the
file request.db in the lists directory.

Request.db is used by the web-interface to display bits of held messages on
the admindb page that used for dealing with "Pending Administrative
Requests".  If you don't blank out this file every now and then, it will
continue to grow as Mailman tucks bits and peices of incoming held messages
into it.  My solution is to simply copy a blank version of the file over the
current version every hour.  So now everything is self maintaining.

Note: if your list enforces a size limitation, then folks will also get this
message when they send too large a message.  You might want to include that
as a possible reason for the rejection...

HtH - Jon Carnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Moseley" <moseleymm at hank.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:49 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Post by non-member to a members-only list


> I checked the FAQ, and the other faqw-mm
>
> I'm looking for a way to just bounce non-member posts, saying that they
are
> not a member and they need to subscribe if they want to post.  These don't
> need admin action.
>
> The problem with the current setup is people post (often from a different
> email address), get a message back saying their message is awaiting
> approval, and then subscribe (or change email addresses) and resend.  Then
> the admin approves and there is a duplicate message.
>
> Speaking of which, it would be a nice feature for subscribers to setup
> aliases so they can post from different accounts, but it looks like they
> are posting from their main email address.  This is good for people that
> post from work or home with different addresses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley at hank.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From catalyst at envirolink.org  Tue Nov 27 22:55:07 2001
From: catalyst at envirolink.org (Mike Ewall)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:55:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman archives be used by Listproc lists?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20011127165322.03c84390@postoffice.martnet.com>

Hi there,

I'm running a bunch of Listproc lists and I'm looking for a decent program 
to archive the lists on a website.  Can Mailman be used this way or do the 
archives work only for Mailman lists?

Mike




From spynote at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 27 23:30:32 2001
From: spynote at earthlink.net (spynote at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:30:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin Request Error?
Message-ID: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com>

Mailman seems to be a little out of sync with my list. I keep getting messages to tend to subscription requests that have already been filled. I suspect that something went awry when I manually subbed the names (via "mass subscribe"), instead of going through the administrative request interface. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Or can shed any light on potential solutions? Thanks. 


--------------------------------------------------------------------
mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .




From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 28 01:35:27 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:35:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Attachments
Message-ID: <3C04314F.A8171F11@pcraft.com>

    Does anyone know of some type of module, or frontend for MM that
functions similar to what the Listar (http://www.listar.org) program
does with attachments?  Listar will strip any MIME content off of the
message and dump it to an URL accessible address and will then forward
the message on through, with that URL in it.

    It puts this footer to the message when it forwards it:

-- Attached file removed by Listar and put at URL below --
-- Type: application/zip
-- Size: 41k (42529 bytes)
-- URL : http://blah.blah/<file>.zip

    (above example was for a zip file)

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Nov 28 01:36:31 2001
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers
In-Reply-To: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com>; from spynote@earthlink.net on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 05:30:32PM -0500
References: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com>
Message-ID: <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com>

Is there any way to suppress those "List*" headers.  One of the people on
my mailing lists is complaining that they seem to be forcing his email
to be HTML.  (He uses Eudora.)

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Flying is not dangerous; crashing is dangerous.



From moseleymm at hank.org  Wed Nov 28 02:18:12 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:18:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers
In-Reply-To: <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com>
 <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011127171812.01fd58fc@pop3.hank.org>

At 07:36 PM 11/27/01 -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote:
>Is there any way to suppress those "List*" headers.  One of the people on
>my mailing lists is complaining that they seem to be forcing his email
>to be HTML.  (He uses Eudora.)

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.1

It would be very helpful to have the FAQ more visable on the home page.



Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Nov 28 02:46:43 2001
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:46:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011127171812.01fd58fc@pop3.hank.org>; from moseleymm@hank.org on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 05:18:12PM -0800
References: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com> <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com> <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com> <3.0.3.32.20011127171812.01fd58fc@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <20011127204643.A6332@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Bill Moseley (moseleymm at hank.org):
> At 07:36 PM 11/27/01 -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> >Is there any way to suppress those "List*" headers.  One of the people on
> >my mailing lists is complaining that they seem to be forcing his email
> >to be HTML.  (He uses Eudora.)
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.1
> 
> It would be very helpful to have the FAQ more visable on the home page.

Actually, just not having a file in the source distribution called "FAQ"
which is different from this FAQ would be a good start.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice.



From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Nov 28 03:40:54 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:40:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers
In-Reply-To: <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com>
 <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <p05101002b829fd9b8b1c@[207.149.192.229]>

At 19:36 -0500 11/27/2001, Paul Tomblin wrote:
>Is there any way to suppress those "List*" headers.  One of the people on
>my mailing lists is complaining that they seem to be forcing his email
>to be HTML.  (He uses Eudora.)

I don't see Eudora forcing my mail to be HTML because of the List* headers.
But I'm speaking of the Macintosh version; the Windows version could well
do something foolish like that.

[I have Eudora...both platforms...set to send plain text mail and to prompt
me if I foolishly try to send HTML (by forgetting to hold down Shift when I
paste styled stuff in, for example).  The default in the prompt is plain
text.  I don't remember deliberately sending HTML except as a test.]

Eudora is a nuisance with respect to the List* headers, since it just
displays them.  It's "easy" to shut off the display (I keep List-Post: and
suppress the others), on either platform.  But it's only easy for a Eudora
user who has done it before.  Given that Qualcomm was rather deeply
involved in the relevant RFC, it seems odd that they haven't started
handling List* headers sensibly.  [But perhaps it's not at all odd to an
insider who does Qualcomm budgets.]

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov 28 05:00:38 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:00:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Tomblin <ptomblin@xcski.com> 
   of "Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:36:31 EST." <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com> 
References: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com>  <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com> 
Message-ID: <32678.1006920038@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:36:31 -0500 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com> wrote:

> Is there any way to suppress those "List*" headers.  One of the
> people on my mailing lists is complaining that they seem to be
> forcing his email to be HTML.  (He uses Eudora.)

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp

-- 
J C Lawrence                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
---------(*)                He lived as a devil, eh?		  
claw at kanga.nu               Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Reviled did I live; evil I did deliver.




From jwise at newroads.org  Wed Nov 28 05:11:23 2001
From: jwise at newroads.org (Joe Wise)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:11:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authentication
Message-ID: <000101c177c2$be3e4fc0$6401a8c0@newroads.org>

My students and I keep getting a "user unknown" message back when I try to
subscribe to my list-serve.  The message goes out fine.  It is in the reply
that something gets fowled up.  Is there something I have done wrong in the
configuration?

My main mail server is on a W2k box on the network.  I have it set to relay
mail for raven.newroads.org to the mailman box.  I seem to be able to get
mail to root at raven.newroads.org through.

Joe




From barry at zope.com  Wed Nov 28 05:31:54 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:31:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
Message-ID: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org>

Hot on the heels of Mailman 2.0.7, I'm now releasing 2.0.8 which fixes
several cross-site scripting security holes, and a few other minor bug
fixes.  More information on cross-site scripting exploits in general
can be found at

    http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-02.html

I recommend anybody running a version of Mailman up to, and including
2.0.7 to upgrade to version 2.0.8.

I've made both full source tarballs and patches available.  Actually,
patches going all the way back to 2.0 are now available on
SourceForge.  See

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103

for links to download all the patches and the source tarball.  If you
decide to install the patches, please do read the release notes first:

    http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=63042

Currently the SourceForge and www.list.org sites are up-to-date, and I
expect the gnu.org site to be updated soon.

See also:

    http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
    http://www.list.org
    http://mailman.sf.net

I've also included links on the FAQ page to the Mailman FAQ wizard.
Thanks everybody for contributing good entries!  (I may do some reorg
when I get a chance.)  See the FAQ wizard at

    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Cheers,
-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
2.0.8 (27-Nov-2001)

    Security fix release to prevent cross-site scripting exploits.
    See http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2000-02.html for a
    description of the general problem (not Mailman specific).



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 07:02:06 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:02:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman archives be used by Listproc lists?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011127165322.03c84390@postoffice.martnet.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011127165322.03c84390@postoffice.martnet.com>
Message-ID: <01112801020703.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 27 November 2001 16:55, Mike Ewall wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm running a bunch of Listproc lists and I'm looking for a decent
> program to archive the lists on a website.  Can Mailman be used this way
> or do the archives work only for Mailman lists?
>
> Mike

You could do this, but it would be much more work than simply installing a 
program specifically designed to just archive mail.

To use Mailman as an archiver, setup Mailman, create a list for each 
Listproc-list you want to archive, set each Mailman-list to archive, add 
the Mailman-lists as individuals in your Listproc lists.

Voila!  Your lists are archived.

Jon Carnes  



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 07:25:58 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:25:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stripping Attachments
In-Reply-To: <3C04314F.A8171F11@pcraft.com>
References: <3C04314F.A8171F11@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <01112801255804.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 27 November 2001 19:35, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>     Does anyone know of some type of module, or frontend for MM that
> functions similar to what the Listar (http://www.listar.org) program
> does with attachments?  Listar will strip any MIME content off of the
> message and dump it to an URL accessible address and will then forward
> the message on through, with that URL in it.
>
>     It puts this footer to the message when it forwards it:
>
> -- Attached file removed by Listar and put at URL below --
> -- Type: application/zip
> -- Size: 41k (42529 bytes)
> -- URL : http://blah.blah/<file>.zip
>
>     (above example was for a zip file)
>

Not exactly what you are looking for, but one of my favorite solutions to 
the problem of folks being attachment crazy:
  http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/

Also, Listar is Open Source... so feel free to grab any part you want and 
integrate it into your install.

Jon Carnes



From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Nov 28 07:33:37 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:33:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Stripping Attachments
References: <3C04314F.A8171F11@pcraft.com> <01112801255804.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3C048541.8BD22B04@pcraft.com>

Jon Carnes wrote:

> Also, Listar is Open Source... so feel free to grab any part you want
> and integrate it into your install.

    However, I know jack squat about python... <grin>

--
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 07:45:56 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:45:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers
In-Reply-To: <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com>
References: <RELAY3aTzvb5YI9IJsa00004a34@relay3.softcomca.com> <20011127193631.B3313@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <01112801455705.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

On Tuesday 27 November 2001 19:36, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Is there any way to suppress those "List*" headers.  One of the people on
> my mailing lists is complaining that they seem to be forcing his email
> to be HTML.  (He uses Eudora.)

Its quite easy to do.  You edit one file - please backup the file before 
you edit it!:
  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

  headers = {
      'List-Id'         : listid,
      'List-Help'       : '<mailto:%s?subject=help>' % requestaddr,
      'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
      'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
      'List-Post'       : '<mailto:%s>' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
      }


Feel free to delete any of the lines inside the "headers" clause, but I 
would recommend that you leave 'List-Id'.

BTW: I strongly feel that this should be in the FAQ, even though I fully 
agree that the problem is with the Mail client (the MUA) and not with 
Mailman.

Jon Carnes



From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Wed Nov 28 08:01:41 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:01:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20011128020000.00eed418@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

At 01:45 AM 11/28/01 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>On Tuesday 27 November 2001 19:36, Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> Is there any way to suppress those "List*" 
>> headers.  One of the people on my mailing lists is 
>> complaining that they seem to be forcing his 
>> email to be HTML.  (He uses Eudora.)
>
>Its quite easy to do.  You edit one file - please 
>backup the file before you edit it!:
>
>  ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py
>
>  headers = {
>      'List-Id'         : listid,
>      'List-Help'       : '<mailto:%s?subject=help>' % requestaddr,
>      'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
>      'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
>      'List-Post'       : '<mailto:%s>' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
>      }
>
>
>Feel free to delete any of the lines inside the 
>"headers" clause, but I would recommend that you 
>leave 'List-Id'.

Is there any way this can be used to either move these headers above the
"subject:" line, or get it to reiterate the "Subject:" line below the list
headers but above the date? 

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!" 
     -Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 08:07:05 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:07:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Supressing those "List*" headers
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20011128020000.00eed418@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
References: <3.0.32.20011128020000.00eed418@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
Message-ID: <01112802070506.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

>
> Is there any way this can be used to either move these headers above the
> "subject:" line, or get it to reiterate the "Subject:" line below the
> list headers but above the date?
>
> Jonathan Andrew Sheen
>
Yes.  You will have to edit the Source code - feel free: its Open Source.

Jon Carnes



From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Nov 28 13:15:22 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:15:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <200111281215.fASCFNY26533@camel.lrllamas.com>

What was the fix for the "Error decoding authorization cookie" error??
(cvs patched 2.06 >> 2.08)

On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:31 pm, you wrote:

> Hot on the heels of Mailman 2.0.7, I'm now releasing 2.0.8 which fixes
> several cross-site scripting security holes, and a few other minor bug
> fixes.  More information on cross-site scripting exploits in general
> can be found at



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Wed Nov 28 14:47:16 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:47:16 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <200111281215.fASCFNY26533@camel.lrllamas.com>
References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org> <200111281215.fASCFNY26533@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <0111281347160T.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

I only see this error in the 2.07 release with KDEs "Konqueror".
Has it gone away in MM 2.08 ??

- oliver


> What was the fix for the "Error decoding authorization cookie" error??
> (cvs patched 2.06 >> 2.08)
>
> On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:31 pm, you wrote:
> > Hot on the heels of Mailman 2.0.7, I'm now releasing 2.0.8 which fixes
> > several cross-site scripting security holes, and a few other minor bug
> > fixes.  More information on cross-site scripting exploits in general
> > can be found at
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Nov 28 13:46:50 2001
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Stripping Attachments
In-Reply-To: <3C048541.8BD22B04@pcraft.com>; from ashley@pcraft.com on Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 11:33:37PM -0700
References: <3C04314F.A8171F11@pcraft.com> <01112801255804.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <3C048541.8BD22B04@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20011128074650.C31979@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Ashley M. Kirchner (ashley at pcraft.com):
> Jon Carnes wrote:
> 
> > Also, Listar is Open Source... so feel free to grab any part you want
> > and integrate it into your install.
> 
>     However, I know jack squat about python... <grin>

I run a bunch of my lists through an anti-spam procmail filter before I
hand them off to Mailman.  It didn't require changing either procmail or
Mailman.  What I did was I put my procmail filter in
/etc/procmailrcs/mailman and chowning it to the user and group that I
configured as the --with-mail-gid, then replacing the list alias with:

#lugor-announce:          "|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post lugor-announce"
lugor-announce:		 "|/usr/bin/procmail -m MAILMAN=lugor-announce /etc/procmailrcs/mailman"

The last two lines of the procmail filter are:

:0
|/usr/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${MAILMAN}

I bet you could also do it by putting in a hidden alias for the list, and
having procmail use formail to send it to the hidden alias with whatever
changes (like the attachments stripped out).

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Computers are not intelligent.  They only think they are.



From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Nov 28 14:06:44 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:06:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <0111281347160T.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org> <200111281215.fASCFNY26533@camel.lrllamas.com> <0111281347160T.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <200111281306.fASD6jY26933@camel.lrllamas.com>

False alarm - it was Konqueror - No problem w/ opera or netscape

On Wednesday 28 November 2001 08:47 am, you wrote:
> I only see this error in the 2.07 release with KDEs "Konqueror".
> Has it gone away in MM 2.08 ??
>
> - oliver
>
> > What was the fix for the "Error decoding authorization cookie" error??
> > (cvs patched 2.06 >> 2.08)



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Nov 28 15:11:52 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:11:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
In-Reply-To: <p04330105b82a05706ffa@[192.164.0.2]>
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]> <20011127094425.A19793@mems-exchange.org> <p04330105b82a05706ffa@[192.164.0.2]>
Message-ID: <20011128091152.B23978@mems-exchange.org>

On 28 November 2001, marina said:
> Now that we're certain this feature is not available in Mailman (and 
> it's still needed), what we are doing is writing a CGI form that 
> collects the information from the user when they subscribe, and that 
> CGI will then email Mailman to start the subscription. The other 
> information I guess we can store in MySQL or similar.
> 
> Do you think anybody else would be interested in this? If you think 
> they might be, we'd be happy to post this to the Mailman site.

Considering that Mailman 2.1 has the ability to track real names, your
hack probably won't be needed in the long term.

        Greg



From paced at odshp.com  Wed Nov 28 16:14:30 2001
From: paced at odshp.com (Dale Pace)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:14:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest format
Message-ID: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com>

Hello,
I want to formally express my dislike of the format of the last
digest I received.  Multiple separate Outlook Express messages
as attachments is a very unhandy format for casually scanning the 
messages for something that might be useful for my site.

Thanks,
Dale
-- 
Dale Pace
UNIX Administrator
ODS Health Plans
503 948-5590 x1325
paced at odshp.com



From jbarnes at usmale.org  Wed Nov 28 16:19:52 2001
From: jbarnes at usmale.org (J Barnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:19:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
Message-ID: <200111281519.fASFJq722078@hunter.usmale.org>

Dare I ask what the time-frame for Mailman 2.1 is?  And can I add the 
names to my existing list, or do people need to resubscribe?  (I hope 
it's add because I'm just now populating a list with potentially 250 
subscribers).

Jason

> On 28 November 2001, marina said:
> > Now that we're certain this feature is not available in Mailman 
(and 
> > it's still needed), what we are doing is writing a CGI form that 
> > collects the information from the user when they subscribe, and 
that 
> > CGI will then email Mailman to start the subscription. The other 
> > information I guess we can store in MySQL or similar.
> > 
> > Do you think anybody else would be interested in this? If you think 
> > they might be, we'd be happy to post this to the Mailman site.
> 
> Considering that Mailman 2.1 has the ability to track real names, your
> hack probably won't be needed in the long term.
> 
>         Greg
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 






From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Nov 28 16:28:04 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:28:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
In-Reply-To: <200111281519.fASFJq722078@hunter.usmale.org>
References: <200111281519.fASFJq722078@hunter.usmale.org>
Message-ID: <200111281528.fASFS4Y28106@camel.lrllamas.com>

And... I would hope the upgrade is re-designed to be as easy as the CVS 
(patch) upgrade(s) from 2.0.6 >> 2.0.8

On Wednesday 28 November 2001 10:19 am, you wrote:
> Dare I ask what the time-frame for Mailman 2.1 is?  And can I add the
> names to my existing list, or do people need to resubscribe?  (I hope
> it's add because I'm just now populating a list with potentially 250
> subscribers).
>
> Jason
>
> > On 28 November 2001, marina said:
> > > Now that we're certain this feature is not available in Mailman
>
> (and
>
> > > it's still needed), what we are doing is writing a CGI form that
> > > collects the information from the user when they subscribe, and
>
> that
>
> > > CGI will then email Mailman to start the subscription. The other
> > > information I guess we can store in MySQL or similar.
> > >
> > > Do you think anybody else would be interested in this? If you think
> > > they might be, we'd be happy to post this to the Mailman site.
> >
> > Considering that Mailman 2.1 has the ability to track real names, your
> > hack probably won't be needed in the long term.
> >
> >         Greg



From barry at zope.com  Wed Nov 28 16:39:01 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:39:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org>
	<200111281215.fASCFNY26533@camel.lrllamas.com>
	<0111281347160T.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
	<200111281306.fASD6jY26933@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <15365.1301.182637.627419@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "C" == Camel  <camel at lrllamas.com> writes:

    C> False alarm - it was Konqueror - No problem w/ opera or
    C> netscape

Mailman 2.0.x uses a slightly non-standard cookie format, which I
suspect -- but don't know for sure -- is the problem with Konqueror.
I've verified that Mailman 2.1 + Konq 2.1.1 works just fine.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Wed Nov 28 16:39:54 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest format
References: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com>
Message-ID: <15365.1354.97303.414511@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DP" == Dale Pace <paced at odshp.com> writes:

    DP> Hello, I want to formally express my dislike of the format of
    DP> the last digest I received.  Multiple separate Outlook Express
    DP> messages as attachments is a very unhandy format for casually
    DP> scanning the messages for something that might be useful for
    DP> my site.

Sorry, I don't understand.  If you don't like MIME digests maybe you'd
prefer the plain text digests?  They're easy to select in your options
page.

-Barry



From galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org  Wed Nov 28 16:38:18 2001
From: galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org (George Galang)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:38:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question..
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111281037300.11160-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>


I am running qmail and mailman 2.0.7.  I can get mailman to send out 
messages to the local users, but I can't get it to send out to users who 
are not hosted on the machine it is running.  Any advice?  I can provide 
some configuration if you want, though I am new at adminstrating qmail 
and mailman.

-- 
George Galang - 9803004






From barry at zope.com  Wed Nov 28 16:41:20 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
References: <200111281519.fASFJq722078@hunter.usmale.org>
	<200111281528.fASFS4Y28106@camel.lrllamas.com>
Message-ID: <15365.1440.183640.960792@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "C" == Camel  <camel at lrllamas.com> writes:

    C> And... I would hope the upgrade is re-designed to be as easy as
    C> the CVS (patch) upgrade(s) from 2.0.6 >> 2.0.8

There will be no patch from 2.0.x -> 2.1.  The patch would be much
larger than the tarball because /a lot/ has changed.  But I plan for
it to be relatively easy to migrate from 2.0.x -> 2.1.

-Barry



From dan at ssc.com  Wed Nov 28 16:54:29 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:54:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest format
In-Reply-To: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com>
References: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com>
Message-ID: <20011128075429.D32696@ssc.com>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 07:14:30AM -0800, Dale Pace wrote:
> Hello,
> I want to formally express my dislike of the format of the last
> digest I received.  Multiple separate Outlook Express messages
> as attachments is a very unhandy format for casually scanning the 
> messages for something that might be useful for my site.

I'd like to formally register doubt that mailman sends
anything at all in "Outlook Express" formats.

It just might use MIME.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------
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 SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549   Phone:  206-782-8808
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From ste at research.bell-labs.com  Wed Nov 28 17:11:10 2001
From: ste at research.bell-labs.com (Shaun Erickson)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:11:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
References: <200111270316.TAA16645@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
		<3C03076C.A64BFCD4@nleaudio.com> <15363.4744.214657.84353@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <3C050C9E.82D6D2F7@research.bell-labs.com>

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "B" == Bob  <bob at nleaudio.com> writes:
> 
>     B> So how do you change it for a list already created?  Export the
>     B> config file, mess with it, then re-import?
> 
> Make bin/withlist your best friend! :)

Could you describe exactly how to do this, please - perhaps even add it
to the FAQ? It would be of great help to those of us who don't know, nor
have the time to learn, python. Thanks.

	-ste



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 17:13:09 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
In-Reply-To: <20011128091152.B23978@mems-exchange.org>
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]> <p04330105b82a05706ffa@[192.164.0.2]> <20011128091152.B23978@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <01112811130904.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

I think that many folks would be interested in this kind of Add-on 
functionality.  Certainly MM v2.1 will be able to collect and maintain user 
names, but what about other information that folks might want to collect?

If you were to write a CGI/SQL solution for this (a general one that 
subscribed the person using email...) then I think a lot of folks would be 
interested in seeing it, and expanding on it to meet their individual 
needs!  And it would also be compatable with MM v2.1 since it used mail to 
subscribe the person.  

Jon Carnes

On Wednesday 28 November 2001 09:11, Greg Ward wrote:
> On 28 November 2001, marina said:
> > Now that we're certain this feature is not available in Mailman (and
> > it's still needed), what we are doing is writing a CGI form that
> > collects the information from the user when they subscribe, and that
> > CGI will then email Mailman to start the subscription. The other
> > information I guess we can store in MySQL or similar.
> >
> > Do you think anybody else would be interested in this? If you think
> > they might be, we'd be happy to post this to the Mailman site.
>
> Considering that Mailman 2.1 has the ability to track real names, your
> hack probably won't be needed in the long term.
>
>         Greg
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Nov 28 17:22:55 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111281037300.11160-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111281037300.11160-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20011128112255.A24602@mems-exchange.org>

On 28 November 2001, George Galang said:
> I am running qmail and mailman 2.0.7.  I can get mailman to send out 
> messages to the local users, but I can't get it to send out to users who 
> are not hosted on the machine it is running.  Any advice?

Yes: define "can't", ie. explain exactly what is happening and what is
going wrong.  Supply extracts from qmails logs.  Use a packet-tracer (I
quite like ethereal -- see www.ethereal.com) to watch the traffic
between Mailman and qmail, and then see if qmail does anything after
that.

Might also be useful to know which OS you're using, which version of
Python, which version of qmail, and which (if any) qmail patches you're
running.  (ISTR that qmail is frozen at version 1.03, but lots and lots
of people have provided add-on patches.  Strange way to address users'
feature wishes, but never mind.)

> I can provide 
> some configuration if you want, though I am new at adminstrating qmail 
> and mailman.

Are you new at Internet email administration in general, too?  If so,
you're in for a lot of hard work.  Good luck.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From veldy at veldy.net  Wed Nov 28 17:37:56 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:37:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List backup?
Message-ID: <011101c1782b$08a59240$3028680a@tgt.com>

I am looking to backup a list in such a way that I can load it back onto
another server at a later time.  In particular, this backup must preserve
user settings including password, list settings and the archives.  I may
need to put mailman on another server and it may be Linux and it may be
using a different version of Python and Berkley DB.

Does anybody know of a solution for the above?

Thanks in advance,

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov 28 17:44:07 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:44:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest format 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dale Pace <paced@odshp.com> 
   of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:14:30 PST." <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com> 
References: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com> 
Message-ID: <11395.1006965847@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:14:30 -0800 
Dale Pace <paced at odshp.com> wrote:

> Hello, I want to formally express my dislike of the format of the
> last digest I received.  

You have your choice between RFC 1153 digests and MIME digests
(which apparently you chose).  

> Multiple separate Outlook Express messages as attachments is a
> very unhandy format for casually scanning the messages for
> something that might be useful for my site.

Its rather poor form to blame Mailman for your choice of tool's
(Outlook) abject failure to present a decent UI (or otherwise work
worth a damn in general).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jleafey at utmem.edu  Wed Nov 28 18:05:00 2001
From: jleafey at utmem.edu (Jay Leafey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:05:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (?) Rebuilding Archives from .txt files
Message-ID: <0GNI0PY4USTJFC@tru1.utmem.edu>

I was recently called in to resolve a problem with a MailMan installation where faulty permission settings had basically ruined the archives.  The archive directories are in place and seem to be populated, but the 'index.html' file in the archive directory is zero-length.  I fixed the permissions on the directories and the archive index.html is now being build, but only reflecting the current month's traffic.  Is there a way to rebuild the index.html to pick up all the older messages?  I looked at bin/arch but it appears to need an mbox file to work with and (sigh!) the permissions problem had stopped the mbox files from being created.  Could I just concatenate the .txt files and use that?  Is there a supported method of doing this?

Thanks!
Jay
---
Jay Leafey
University of Tennessee Health Science Center
jleafey at utmem.edu 




From tneff at bigfoot.com  Wed Nov 28 18:04:38 2001
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:04:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME Digests
In-Reply-To: <E169855-00015J-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E169855-00015J-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1631398046.1006949078@t283742ghzz>

MIME "Digests" (ultimate misnomer) still suck, even if somebody 
misidentified them with the words Outlook Express.  They exist because the 
architecture allowed it, not to solve a practical problem.  Regardless of 
terminology, we should make sure that Mailman users know how to avoid them.



From paced at odshp.com  Wed Nov 28 18:18:59 2001
From: paced at odshp.com (Dale Pace)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:18:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest format
References: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com> <11395.1006965847@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3C051C83.4D196450@odshp.com>

Hey, I'm sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes.  Something changed
and I thought it should be noted that someone noticed.  My choices
had not changed since I started receiving the digests.  I was not
blaming anyone just expressing my opinion.  I don't use Outlook
and never have this was a change made by someone else.  I use
Netscape to read most of my mail and it called the individual
messages "Outlook Express Mail Message".

I have since changed my options to plain text and the last digest
I received was back to the former format.

I certainly did not mean to offend anyone.  I subscribe to this
list for help and I appreciate any that I have received.

Thanks,
Dale

J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:14:30 -0800
> Dale Pace <paced at odshp.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello, I want to formally express my dislike of the format of the
> > last digest I received.
> 
> You have your choice between RFC 1153 digests and MIME digests
> (which apparently you chose).
> 
> > Multiple separate Outlook Express messages as attachments is a
> > very unhandy format for casually scanning the messages for
> > something that might be useful for my site.
> 
> Its rather poor form to blame Mailman for your choice of tool's
> (Outlook) abject failure to present a decent UI (or otherwise work
> worth a damn in general).
> 
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
-- 
Dale Pace
UNIX Administrator
ODS Health Plans
503 948-5590 x1325
paced at odshp.com



From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Wed Nov 28 18:21:28 2001
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:21:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest format
In-Reply-To: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com>
References: <3C04FF56.8E2006C7@odshp.com>
Message-ID: <p05100301b82accdab541@[216.162.173.6]>

Dale,

As a Mailman admin, you can set which type of digest is default 
(Plain or Mime) on the Digest-member Options page.  As a list user, 
you can override the default and have the format of your preference 
sent to you.

Many people like the Mime digests though.  Makes replying easier, for 
one thing.

	- H

>Hello,
>I want to formally express my dislike of the format of the last
>digest I received.  Multiple separate Outlook Express messages
>as attachments is a very unhandy format for casually scanning the
>messages for something that might be useful for my site.
>
>Thanks,
>Dale
>--
>Dale Pace
>UNIX Administrator
>ODS Health Plans
>503 948-5590 x1325
>paced at odshp.com

-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From senilix at gallerbyen.net  Wed Nov 28 18:32:17 2001
From: senilix at gallerbyen.net (Simen E. Sandberg)
Date: 28 Nov 2001 18:32:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP and Message-Ids
Message-ID: <1006968737.23269.2.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net>

First: Sorry for my bad english. I'm not a native english-speaker, so
please ignore my mistakes. :o)

I'm running some lists with the NNTP-gateway enabled both ways. I've
noticed that when mailman posts to the newsgroup, it changes the
Message-Id. Or, I guess it's mailman and not INN. This generates
problems with threading, since one message got two message ids.

An example:

test at lists.example.com both posts and collects messages from local.test
at the news-server news.example.com. John and Anne are both subscribed
to the list and Peter prefers to use the news-server.

John posts a message to the list with subject "Hello". John's client
generates the message id <john123.456 at example.com> for that mail.
Mailman will now forward that message correctly to Anne, with the right
message id. But when Peter reads the message at the news-server, he will
see the message id <mailman.345.987 at lists.example.com>.

So far, everything looks fine for the users. But now Anne wants to make
a reply to John's post and posts a message to the list with subject "Re:
Hello". This message has the In-Reply-To-header
"<john123.456 at example.com>", since this is the message id on the mail
she recieved. Peter, who are still using NNTP, will not be able to find
the message <john123.456 at example.com>, since it has been renamed to
<mailman.345.654 at lists.example.com> on the news-server. Peter's
newsreader will then create a new thread for the reply.


Are there any way I can let all the users of my lists recieve the same
message ids, so my news-reading users will be able to get the threads
right?

Thak you in advance.

-- 
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 18:53:13 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP and Message-Ids
In-Reply-To: <1006968737.23269.2.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net>
References: <1006968737.23269.2.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net>
Message-ID: <01112812531307.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

That's an interesting problem...  You could write a small script on the 
News server side that scans the articles and substitues in the poper 
information in the header of those articles.  Still in order to make this 
work correctly, you would be making assumptions that I don't think Mailman 
should make by default.

Jon Carnes

On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:32, Simen E. Sandberg wrote:
> First: Sorry for my bad english. I'm not a native english-speaker, so
> please ignore my mistakes. :o)
>
> I'm running some lists with the NNTP-gateway enabled both ways. I've
> noticed that when mailman posts to the newsgroup, it changes the
> Message-Id. Or, I guess it's mailman and not INN. This generates
> problems with threading, since one message got two message ids.
>
> An example:
>
> test at lists.example.com both posts and collects messages from local.test
> at the news-server news.example.com. John and Anne are both subscribed
> to the list and Peter prefers to use the news-server.
>
> John posts a message to the list with subject "Hello". John's client
> generates the message id <john123.456 at example.com> for that mail.
> Mailman will now forward that message correctly to Anne, with the right
> message id. But when Peter reads the message at the news-server, he will
> see the message id <mailman.345.987 at lists.example.com>.
>
> So far, everything looks fine for the users. But now Anne wants to make
> a reply to John's post and posts a message to the list with subject "Re:
> Hello". This message has the In-Reply-To-header
> "<john123.456 at example.com>", since this is the message id on the mail
> she recieved. Peter, who are still using NNTP, will not be able to find
> the message <john123.456 at example.com>, since it has been renamed to
> <mailman.345.654 at lists.example.com> on the news-server. Peter's
> newsreader will then create a new thread for the reply.
>
>
> Are there any way I can let all the users of my lists recieve the same
> message ids, so my news-reading users will be able to get the threads
> right?
>
> Thak you in advance.



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Wed Nov 28 19:57:15 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:57:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <15365.1301.182637.627419@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org> <200111281306.fASD6jY26933@camel.lrllamas.com> <15365.1301.182637.627419@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <0111281857150U.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

"Error decoding authorization cookie"
As soon as Konqueror try to read the authorization cookie.
Only tested for MM 2.07 (yet) and all relevant versions of Konqueror.
Konqueror 2.2.2 (KDE 2.2.2) inclusive.
In MM 2.06 the problem didn't exists.

Opera, Netscape, Mozilla, MS-Explorer and Lynx are working pretty good
with MM 2.07.
I will try MM 2.08 as time permits.

regards
Oliver
 


> >>>>> "C" == Camel  <camel at lrllamas.com> writes:
>
>     C> False alarm - it was Konqueror - No problem w/ opera or
>     C> netscape
>
> Mailman 2.0.x uses a slightly non-standard cookie format, which I
> suspect -- but don't know for sure -- is the problem with Konqueror.
> I've verified that Mailman 2.1 + Konq 2.1.1 works just fine.
>
> -Barry
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Nov 28 19:04:12 2001
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <0111281857150U.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>; from Oliver.Egginger@dvz.fh-giessen.de on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 06:57:15PM +0000
References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org> <200111281306.fASD6jY26933@camel.lrllamas.com> <15365.1301.182637.627419@anthem.wooz.org> <0111281857150U.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
Message-ID: <20011128130412.A15266@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Oliver Egginger (Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de):
> "Error decoding authorization cookie"
> As soon as Konqueror try to read the authorization cookie.

I have the same problem in Konqueror.  Deleting the cookie out of the
cookie manager didn't help.  Neither did logging off and logging back in.
I now have to use Mozilla for mailman stuff, while using Konq for
everything else.

This started soon after switching from Mailman 1.1 to Mailman 2.0.7.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
"I picked up a Magic 8-Ball the other day and it said 'Outlook not so
     good.' I said, 'Sure, but Microsoft still ships it.'" - unk.



From senilix at gallerbyen.net  Wed Nov 28 19:12:54 2001
From: senilix at gallerbyen.net (Simen E. Sandberg)
Date: 28 Nov 2001 19:12:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP and Message-Ids
In-Reply-To: <01112812531307.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
References: <1006968737.23269.2.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net> 
	<01112812531307.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1006971174.23269.4.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net>

On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 18:53, Jon Carnes wrote:
> That's an interesting problem...  You could write a small script on the 
> News server side that scans the articles and substitues in the poper 
> information in the header of those articles.  Still in order to make this 
> work correctly, you would be making assumptions that I don't think Mailman 
> should make by default.

I don't know when the Message-Id changes. If it is Mailman that changes
it, why? And is it possible for Mailman to change the header for the
mailing list recipients too?

> On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:32, Simen E. Sandberg wrote:
> > First: Sorry for my bad english. I'm not a native english-speaker, so
> > please ignore my mistakes. :o)
> >
> > I'm running some lists with the NNTP-gateway enabled both ways. I've
> > noticed that when mailman posts to the newsgroup, it changes the
> > Message-Id. Or, I guess it's mailman and not INN. This generates
> > problems with threading, since one message got two message ids.
> >
> > An example:
> >
> > test at lists.example.com both posts and collects messages from local.test
> > at the news-server news.example.com. John and Anne are both subscribed
> > to the list and Peter prefers to use the news-server.
> >
> > John posts a message to the list with subject "Hello". John's client
> > generates the message id <john123.456 at example.com> for that mail.
> > Mailman will now forward that message correctly to Anne, with the right
> > message id. But when Peter reads the message at the news-server, he will
> > see the message id <mailman.345.987 at lists.example.com>.
> >
> > So far, everything looks fine for the users. But now Anne wants to make
> > a reply to John's post and posts a message to the list with subject "Re:
> > Hello". This message has the In-Reply-To-header
> > "<john123.456 at example.com>", since this is the message id on the mail
> > she recieved. Peter, who are still using NNTP, will not be able to find
> > the message <john123.456 at example.com>, since it has been renamed to
> > <mailman.345.654 at lists.example.com> on the news-server. Peter's
> > newsreader will then create a new thread for the reply.
> >
> >
> > Are there any way I can let all the users of my lists recieve the same
> > message ids, so my news-reading users will be able to get the threads
> > right?
> >
> > Thak you in advance.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Nov 28 19:07:41 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:07:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128130704.13210G-100000@comet.connix.com>

Hi folks... 

What is the least painful way to upgrade from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8?

TIA,

J.





From galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org  Wed Nov 28 18:50:43 2001
From: galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org (George Galang)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:50:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question..
In-Reply-To: <20011128112255.A24602@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111281243150.12480-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Greg Ward wrote:

> On 28 November 2001, George Galang said:
> > I am running qmail and mailman 2.0.7.  I can get mailman to send out 
> > messages to the local users, but I can't get it to send out to users who 
> > are not hosted on the machine it is running.  Any advice?
> 
> Yes: define "can't", ie. explain exactly what is happening and what is
> going wrong.  Supply extracts from qmails logs.  Use a packet-tracer (I
> quite like ethereal -- see www.ethereal.com) to watch the traffic
> between Mailman and qmail, and then see if qmail does anything after
> that.
> 
> Might also be useful to know which OS you're using, which version of
> Python, which version of qmail, and which (if any) qmail patches you're
> running.  (ISTR that qmail is frozen at version 1.03, but lots and lots
> of people have provided add-on patches.  Strange way to address users'
> feature wishes, but never mind.)

No problem.

Mandrake 8.2.
Python 2.0
Qmail 1.03, no patches


Here is the syslog of something being sent to the list....

Nov 28 12:42:44 camarilla qmail: 1006969364.349914 info msg 583: bytes 
443 from <ggalang at camarilla.superb.net> qp 16964 uid 503
Nov 28 12:42:44 camarilla qmail: 1006969364.413390 starting delivery 
183: msg 583 to local test at camarilla.superb.net
Nov 28 12:42:44 camarilla qmail: 1006969364.413536 status: local 1/10 
remote 0/20
Nov 28 12:42:44 camarilla qmail: 1006969364.898137 delivery 183: 
success: did_0+0+1/
Nov 28 12:42:44 camarilla qmail: 1006969364.899110 status: local 0/10 
remote 0/20
Nov 28 12:42:44 camarilla qmail: 1006969364.899653 end msg 583



And here is what happens when it tries to send out...

Nov 28 12:43:02 camarilla qmail: 1006969382.959482 new msg 583
Nov 28 12:43:02 camarilla qmail: 1006969382.960072 info msg 583: bytes 
1569 from <test-admin at camarilla.superb.net> qp 16977 uid 401
Nov 28 12:43:03 camarilla qmail: 1006969383.033598 starting delivery 
184: msg 583 to local ggalang at camarilla.superb.net
Nov 28 12:43:03 camarilla qmail: 1006969383.033800 status: local 1/10 
remote 0/20
Nov 28 12:43:03 camarilla qmail: 1006969383.083192 delivery 184: 
success: did_1+0+0/
Nov 28 12:43:03 camarilla qmail: 1006969383.084203 status: local 0/10 
remote 0/20
Nov 28 12:43:03 camarilla qmail: 1006969383.084765 end msg 583



And here is the mailman log....

Nov 28 12:43:02 2001 (16972) Test: george_galang at bellsouth.net - 0 more 
allowed over 423244 secs



Note: george_galang at bellsouth.net is subscribed to the list.

> Are you new at Internet email administration in general, too?  If so,
> you're in for a lot of hard work.  Good luck.

I'll admit I've never used qmail and mailman before, but I have set up 
and adminstrated a majordomo / sendmail combo.

-- 
George Galang - 9803004







From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Nov 28 19:24:03 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:24:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128130704.13210G-100000@comet.connix.com>; from jfreeman@connix.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:07:41PM -0500
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128130704.13210G-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <20011128102403.H3588@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:07:41PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> Hi folks... 
> 
> What is the least painful way to upgrade from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8?

make install ?

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From jerry at sandiego.edu  Wed Nov 28 19:24:27 2001
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:24:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128130704.13210G-100000@comet.connix.com>
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128130704.13210G-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <p05101007b82adbc81b7f@[199.106.12.16]>

>What is the least painful way to upgrade from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8?

Well, I just took the perhaps adventurous choice of downloading the 
new full 2.0.8 install and:

./configure --with-mail-gid=xxx
make
make install

and it seems to have worked fine (I had to redo my modification to 
HTMLFormatter.py to put the usenet tags in); I didn't turn off the 
mail server as that would have required going through channels that I 
didn't want to have to go through, and there are currently only about 
four lists running off of mailman.

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi



From e.taumberger at centerfunk.at  Wed Nov 28 19:29:51 2001
From: e.taumberger at centerfunk.at (Ernst Taumberger)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:29:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to do umbrella lists
Message-ID: <15365.11551.282578.580687@bluetooth.centerfunk.co.at>

I apologize if this is somewhere in the docu (I looked but in vain) but ...

What I want to do is to capture the members of a number of lists (staff of
various departments) into a list that contains all the members of all the
member lists.

Can I do this with umbrella lists, and if so, how?

Ernst



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov 28 19:42:13 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:42:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME Digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from tneff@bigfoot.com 
   of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:04:38 EST." <1631398046.1006949078@t283742ghzz> 
References: <E169855-00015J-00@mail.python.org>  <1631398046.1006949078@t283742ghzz> 
Message-ID: <1668.1006972933@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:04:38 -0500 
tneff  <tneff at bigfoot.com> wrote:

> MIME "Digests" (ultimate misnomer) still suck...

Actually I find them the most pleasant and useful form of digests
and rather wish that 1153 digests were rapidly consigned to the
grave of history.

> They exist because the architecture allowed it, not to solve a
> practical problem.  

MIME digests solve several problems, not least of which is providing
a message packing format which is easily burst back into it original
component messages.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From tneff at bigfoot.com  Wed Nov 28 19:43:13 2001
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME Digests 
In-Reply-To: <1668.1006972933@kanga.nu>
References: <1668.1006972933@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <1637313218.1006954993@t283742ghzz>

The problem is that they don't really Digest or pack anything, or save any 
space, or do anything except collate a bunch of stuff into a multipart 
sandwich.  There's precious little of use to be done with them that you 
couldn't do just as easily by getting individual messages and putting them 
into a folder, which more mail agents can successfully do than will handle 
all the exploding and stuff.

As the original poster said, they are useless for the thing Digests were 
really good for, which was saving a lot of overhead and scanning a day's 
traffic in a single read.  I am glad of the fact that 1153 will never go 
away.

--On Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:42 AM -0800 J C Lawrence 
<claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
> MIME digests solve several problems, not least of which is providing
> a message packing format which is easily burst back into it original
> component messages.




From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Nov 28 19:46:00 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:46:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <20011128102403.H3588@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128134531.13210I-100000@comet.connix.com>

well, I guess I was wondering whether to do that or to try patching what 
i've got... what are the pros/cons of each method?

J.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001,
Marc MERLIN wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:07:41PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > Hi folks... 
> > 
> > What is the least painful way to upgrade from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8?
> 
> make install ?
> 
> Marc
> -- 
> Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
>   
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> 

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From camel at lrllamas.com  Wed Nov 28 19:52:39 2001
From: camel at lrllamas.com (Camel - Jay S. Curtis)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:52:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <20011128102403.H3588@magic.merlins.org>
References: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128130704.13210G-100000@comet.connix.com> <20011128102403.H3588@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <200111281852.fASIqdY30530@camel.lrllamas.com>

Download the two patch files x.0.6->x.0.7.txt and ..0.7->..0.8.txt
apply the patches in order, then ./configure.check, then make install.
it was flawless.

On Wednesday 28 November 2001 01:24 pm, you wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:07:41PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > Hi folks...
> >
> > What is the least painful way to upgrade from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8?
>
> make install ?
>
> Marc

-- 
Jay S. Curtis



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Nov 28 19:58:23 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:58:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128134531.13210I-100000@comet.connix.com>; from jfreeman@connix.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:46:00PM -0500
References: <20011128102403.H3588@magic.merlins.org> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128134531.13210I-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <20011128105823.J3588@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:46:00PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> well, I guess I was wondering whether to do that or to try patching what 
> i've got... what are the pros/cons of each method?

Err, why?

I've always patched/upgraded my source tree, and typed make install.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From jfreeman at connix.com  Wed Nov 28 20:01:30 2001
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:01:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <20011128105823.J3588@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128140117.13210O-100000@comet.connix.com>

i'm admittedly a very low-level sysadmin, trying to learn best
practices.

J.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Marc MERLIN wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 01:46:00PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > well, I guess I was wondering whether to do that or to try patching what 
> > i've got... what are the pros/cons of each method?
> 
> Err, why?
> 
> I've always patched/upgraded my source tree, and typed make install.
> 
> Marc
> -- 
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>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
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> 

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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov 28 20:09:51 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:09:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME Digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from tneff@bigfoot.com 
   of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:43:13 EST." <1637313218.1006954993@t283742ghzz> 
References: <1668.1006972933@kanga.nu>  <1637313218.1006954993@t283742ghzz> 
Message-ID: <2787.1006974591@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:43:13 -0500 
tneff  <tneff at bigfoot.com> wrote:

> The problem is that they don't really Digest or pack anything, or
> save any space, or do anything except collate a bunch of stuff
> into a multipart sandwich.  

Precisely.  That's exactly what they're intended to do, and is what
is so useful about them.

> There's precious little of use to be done with them that you
> couldn't do just as easily by getting individual messages and
> putting them into a folder, which more mail agents can
> successfully do than will handle all the exploding and stuff.

<shrug>  UI/feature problems with MUAs is not a big concern for me.

FWLIW Some MUAs support indicating a specific message that you wish
to reply to in a MIME digest and then generating a reply buffer from
there exactly as if the message had been burst.

On a more human scale I've several (a little over a dozen that I
know of) members who specifically want/require their messages
bundled in time.  I moderate one of my lists (which is hand
moderated) once a day.  Traffic runs somewhere between 20 and 50
posts a day on average.  Several members have stated that if I
didn't moderate so infrequently they would resort to digest mode
instead and would then never post.

> As the original poster said, they are useless for the thing
> Digests were really good for, which was saving a lot of overhead
> and scanning a day's traffic in a single read.  

Umm, actually that's exactly what I use them for.  This is rather
helped by the fact that exmh (my choice of MUA) presents a usable
and reasonably well featured UI for MIME digests making using them
easy and pleasant.

Don't blame the weaknesses of your selection of tools on the
material.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From barry at zope.com  Wed Nov 28 20:08:05 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:08:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME Digests
References: <E169855-00015J-00@mail.python.org>
	<1631398046.1006949078@t283742ghzz>
Message-ID: <15365.13845.471502.458590@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "tneff" ==   <tneff at bigfoot.com> writes:

    tneff> MIME "Digests" (ultimate misnomer) still suck, even if
    tneff> somebody misidentified them with the words Outlook Express.
    tneff> They exist because the architecture allowed it, not to
    tneff> solve a practical problem.  Regardless of terminology, we
    tneff> should make sure that Mailman users know how to avoid them.

I humbly disagree.  It all depends on your mail reader.

-Barry



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Nov 28 20:15:03 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:15:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] best way to upgrade from 2.0.6
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128140117.13210O-100000@comet.connix.com>; from jfreeman@connix.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:01:30PM -0500
References: <20011128105823.J3588@magic.merlins.org> <Pine.BSI.3.95.1011128140117.13210O-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <20011128111503.L3588@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:01:30PM -0500, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> i'm admittedly a very low-level sysadmin, trying to learn best
> practices.

Which  are, trust  me, having  the source  tree of  the installation  you're
running (with python, you can patch the installed version directly, but with
C, you can't)

Marc
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From tneff at bigfoot.com  Wed Nov 28 20:14:43 2001
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (tneff at bigfoot.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:14:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME Digests 
In-Reply-To: <2787.1006974591@kanga.nu>
References: <2787.1006974591@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz>

> Don't blame the weaknesses of your selection of tools on the
                                ^^^^
> material.
>
> --
> J C Lawrence

I speak as a list manager, not as an individual member.  As a member I am 
fully prepared to get & use any tool I need to deal with stuff, but as a 
list manager I cannot presume that my members will be in the same position. 
It's an application of one of the other time-honored Net principles which 
appears headed to the "grave of history" on the same hearse: be 
conservative in what you send and liberal in what you accept.




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Nov 28 20:24:39 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:24:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MIME Digests 
In-Reply-To: Message from tneff@bigfoot.com 
   of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:14:43 EST." <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz> 
References: <2787.1006974591@kanga.nu>  <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz> 
Message-ID: <3111.1006975479@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:14:43 -0500 
tneff  <tneff at bigfoot.com> wrote:

>> Don't blame the weaknesses of your selection of tools on the
>                                 ^^^^
>> material.

> I speak as a list manager, not as an individual member.  As a
> member I am fully prepared to get & use any tool I need to deal
> with stuff, but as a list manager I cannot presume that my members
> will be in the same position. It's an application of one of the
> other time-honored Net principles which appears headed to the
> "grave of history" on the same hearse: be conservative in what you
> send and liberal in what you accept.

Ahh, but there no press gang forcing use of MIME digests, or 1153
digests for that matter.  Users (given list admin permission -- eg
for some lists I disable digests entirely and for others I disable
1153 digests) are free to choose the mail formats they prefer and
which their choice of mail tools presents most usably to them.

But none of that states that a particular technology or format is
inherently bad because a particular choice of tool handles it badly.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From jerry at sandiego.edu  Wed Nov 28 20:10:29 2001
From: jerry at sandiego.edu (Jerry Stratton)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:10:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Usenet gateway to a member_posting_only list?
Message-ID: <p05101008b82adc5e3eb1@[199.106.12.16]>

If I have a mailing list set to member_posting_only and also have the 
list set up as a Usenet gateway, Usenet postings by non-members will 
be rejected. If true, is there any way I can have Usenet postings be 
automatically approved by mailman for the mailing list side of the 
gateway?

The purpose of the gateway is to allow university community members 
to have the choice of taking part in the discussion by mail or by 
newsgroup, whichever they prefer (there is also a web interface to 
the newsgroup, also accessible only on campus).

I have the mailing list set to members only to avoid spam (which the 
list has received). The newsgroup, however, is a local group 
accessible only on-campus, and does not have a spam problem. I would 
like all gatewayed messages from the newsgroup to automatically go to 
the list without requiring approval. Is there a way I can set this?

Jerry
-- 
jerry at sandiego.edu
http://www.sandiego.edu/~jerry/
Serra 188B/x8773
--
The more restrictions there are, the poorer the people become. The 
greater the government?s power, the more chaotic the nation would 
become. The more the ruler imposes laws and prohibitions on his 
people, the more frequently evil deeds would occur.
--The Silence of the Wise: The Sayings of Lao Zi



From moseleymm at hank.org  Wed Nov 28 20:49:15 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:49:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name sent in email confirmation wrong
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011128114915.02583d94@pop3.hank.org>

I have my lists all setup to use the full name of the host.

  DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'mardy.hank.org'

This is the same host as simply hank.org.  I just tried to subscribe to a
list, and the confirm mail came like this:

  Reply-To: test-request at hank.org

The list settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).

The problem is I have all mail to @hank.org to one address in sendmail's
virtusertable, so it needs to go to mardy.hank.org to not get bypassed by
my virtusertable entry.

So, the question is, why did mailman set the reply to to simply @hank.org
instead of @mardy.hank.org?  What settings should I look at?


Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From cwieland at uci.edu  Wed Nov 28 21:15:54 2001
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:15:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
Message-ID: <v0401172eb82af5f59137@[128.200.83.25]>

I have some lists I'am moving from Listproc to Mailman that I've been using
Mhonarc to archive and would like to integrate them with the Mailman
archives when I move the lists over. Any ideas on how to do this?

TIA
Con Wieland
UC Irvine



From aewhale at abs-comptech.com  Wed Nov 28 21:49:53 2001
From: aewhale at abs-comptech.com (Albert E. Whale)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:49:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Footers
Message-ID: <3C054DF1.C2CC5F30@abs-comptech.com>

Has anyone experienced any problems with the Footers for the messages
not being displayed?

The symptoms are that the defined footer for all mailing lists will
disappear, until all admin requests are processed.

Is there a lock being held somewhere?

--
Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant





From mirator at educationalfreedom.com  Wed Nov 28 22:20:45 2001
From: mirator at educationalfreedom.com (Donna)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:20:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about headers
Message-ID: <p05100318b82b04f2c56c@[24.164.46.70]>

Hi -

I am just now learning the details of managing a mailman powered 
list. I have previously used majordomo and so far mailman seems to 
have many of the same functions and in fact some much better ones.

Here is my question. At the beginning of all messages to a list there 
are a lot of addresses. For example, on this list all messages have 
this:

>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270)
>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

Is there any way to prevent this?

Thank you for your help.

Donna De Poalo



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Nov 28 23:07:07 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:07:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about headers
In-Reply-To: <p05100318b82b04f2c56c@[24.164.46.70]>; from mirator@educationalfreedom.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:20:45PM -0500
References: <p05100318b82b04f2c56c@[24.164.46.70]>
Message-ID: <20011128140707.N3588@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 04:20:45PM -0500, Donna wrote:
> >Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> >X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
> >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270)
> >List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
> >List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
> >List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> >	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
> >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
> >List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
> >	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
> >List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
> 
> Is there any way to prevent this?
 
Yes, read the FAQ.
 
Hint: your mail client should be able to hide those headers. They are useful
and used by good mail clients to subscribe/unsubscribe

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From jonc at haht.com  Wed Nov 28 23:52:35 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:52:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Footers
References: <3C054DF1.C2CC5F30@abs-comptech.com>
Message-ID: <011301c1785f$5f120fd0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

This ought to be in the FAQ (maybe it is...).

Anyway, this happens when folks are using html style email and the folks
reading the email are using something like Outlook.

Take a look at the source text of the Message and you will see that the
Footer is actually there.  The email client is not displaying the footer
text because it is tacked onto the end of the html message and comes after
the </html> in the message.

So the real problem is with the email client.

If this really bothers you, then move the information into a header or tell
your folks not to use html email.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert E. Whale" <aewhale at abs-comptech.com>
To: "MailMan Users List" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:49 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Footers


> Has anyone experienced any problems with the Footers for the messages
> not being displayed?
>
> The symptoms are that the defined footer for all mailing lists will
> disappear, until all admin requests are processed.
>
> Is there a lock being held somewhere?
>
> --
> Albert E. Whale - http://www.abs-comptech.com/aewhale.html
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ABS Computer Technology, Inc. - ESM, Computer & Networking Specialists
> Sr. Network, OpenView and Systems Consultant
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From cwieland at uci.edu  Wed Nov 28 23:57:19 2001
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:57:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about headers
In-Reply-To: <p05100318b82b04f2c56c@[24.164.46.70]>
Message-ID: <v04011734b82b1bed7d04@[128.200.83.25]>

You can also comment out what you don't want in :

/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py


headers = {
        'List-Id'         : listid,
        'List-Help'       : '<mailto:%s?subject=help>' % requestaddr,
        'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
        'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
        'List-Post'       : '<mailto:%s>' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
        }

Con


At 1:20 PM -0800 11/28/01, Donna wrote:
>Hi -
>
>I am just now learning the details of managing a mailman powered
>list. I have previously used majordomo and so far mailman seems to
>have many of the same functions and in fact some much better ones.
>
>Here is my question. At the beginning of all messages to a list there
>are a lot of addresses. For example, on this list all messages have
>this:
>
>>Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>>X-BeenThere: mailman-users at python.org
>>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270)
>>List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>>List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org>
>>List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>>List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
>>List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>>	<mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>>List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
>
>Is there any way to prevent this?
>
>Thank you for your help.
>
>Donna De Poalo
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jonc at haht.com  Wed Nov 28 23:59:45 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:59:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name sent in email confirmation wrong
References: <3.0.3.32.20011128114915.02583d94@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <011f01c17860$5ffa7e90$0b04010a@JCARNES>

So you changed it in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file but did you go
into the web-admin and change it on the General Options page for the lists
that already exist?
   Host name this list prefers:  mardy.hank.org

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Moseley" <moseleymm at hank.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name sent in email confirmation wrong


> I have my lists all setup to use the full name of the host.
>
>   DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'mardy.hank.org'
>
> This is the same host as simply hank.org.  I just tried to subscribe to a
> list, and the confirm mail came like this:
>
>   Reply-To: test-request at hank.org
>
> The list settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).
>
> The problem is I have all mail to @hank.org to one address in sendmail's
> virtusertable, so it needs to go to mardy.hank.org to not get bypassed by
> my virtusertable entry.
>
> So, the question is, why did mailman set the reply to to simply @hank.org
> instead of @mardy.hank.org?  What settings should I look at?
>
>
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley at hank.org
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From moseleymm at hank.org  Thu Nov 29 00:06:34 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:06:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name sent in email confirmation wrong
In-Reply-To: <011f01c17860$5ffa7e90$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <3.0.3.32.20011128114915.02583d94@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011128150634.01de5ed8@pop3.hank.org>

At 05:59 PM 11/28/01 -0500, Jon Carnes wrote:
>So you changed it in your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file but did you go
>into the web-admin and change it on the General Options page for the lists
>that already exist?
>   Host name this list prefers:  mardy.hank.org

Nope, that's what I meant when I said:

> The list settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).

Should have been

The list's settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).

I assume the settings are in the .db file for each list:

> strings config.db | grep hank.org
http://hank.org/mailman/s
moseley at hank.orgi
moseley at hank.orgs
moseley at hank.orgi
mardy.hank.org0

Hum.






>
>Jon Carnes
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Moseley" <moseleymm at hank.org>
>To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:49 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name sent in email confirmation wrong
>
>
>> I have my lists all setup to use the full name of the host.
>>
>>   DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'mardy.hank.org'
>>
>> This is the same host as simply hank.org.  I just tried to subscribe to a
>> list, and the confirm mail came like this:
>>
>>   Reply-To: test-request at hank.org
>>
>> The list settings have not changes (they still say mardy.hank.org).
>>
>> The problem is I have all mail to @hank.org to one address in sendmail's
>> virtusertable, so it needs to go to mardy.hank.org to not get bypassed by
>> my virtusertable entry.
>>
>> So, the question is, why did mailman set the reply to to simply @hank.org
>> instead of @mardy.hank.org?  What settings should I look at?
>>
>>
>> Bill Moseley
>> mailto:moseley at hank.org
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>

Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 29 00:11:40 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:11:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Donna <mirator@educationalfreedom.com> 
   of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:20:45 EST." <p05100318b82b04f2c56c@[24.164.46.70]> 
References: <p05100318b82b04f2c56c@[24.164.46.70]> 
Message-ID: <8908.1006989100@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:20:45 -0500 
mirator  <Donna> wrote:

>> Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org X-BeenThere:
>> mailman-users at python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 (101270)
>> List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=help>
>> List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users at python.org> List-Subscribe:
>> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>> <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=subscribe>
>> List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users
>> <mailman-users.python.org> List-Unsubscribe:
>> <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>,
>> <mailto:mailman-users-request at python.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

> Is there any way to prevent this?

FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Nov 29 00:15:22 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:15:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default Hostname
Message-ID: <3C05700A.E6B1F7B9@pcraft.com>

    I'm not sure if this is how it's supposed to work, or not, but
that's why I'm asking.

    I just installed MM 2.0.8.  Went into $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and
added a DEFAULT_HOST_NAME and DEFAULT_URL.  When I pointed my browser to
/mailman/admin, the header and body text correctly displayed the
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME that I specified, however the email address on the
last line, still showed the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME that's specified in
Defaults.py (which is different).

    Is this how it's supposed to be, or have I forgotten to change
another setting somewhere?

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From moseleymm at hank.org  Thu Nov 29 00:14:06 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:14:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host name sent in email confirmation wrong
In-Reply-To: <011f01c17860$5ffa7e90$0b04010a@JCARNES>
References: <3.0.3.32.20011128114915.02583d94@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011128151406.025d1ad8@pop3.hank.org>

.... Wait, could it be sendmail is changing those headers?

250 mardy.hank.org Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
mail from: b at hank.org
250 2.1.0 b at hank.org... Sender ok
rcpt to: moseley at hank.org
250 2.1.5 moseley at hank.org... Recipient ok
data
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
To: moseley at hank.org
From: xxx at mardy.hank.org
Errors-to: yyy at mardy.hank.org
Subject: well?

bye
.
250 2.0.0 fASNBQu12953 Message accepted for delivery
quit

----- mail ----
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:11:33 -0800
To: moseley at hank.org
From: xxx at hank.org
Errors-to: yyy at hank.org
Subject: well?

bye

Damn.  Never mind.  Now, if I could only remember how to disable that....





Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 29 00:18:18 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:18:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Footers 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jon Carnes" <jonc@haht.com> 
   of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:52:35 EST." <011301c1785f$5f120fd0$0b04010a@JCARNES> 
References: <3C054DF1.C2CC5F30@abs-comptech.com>  <011301c1785f$5f120fd0$0b04010a@JCARNES> 
Message-ID: <9031.1006989498@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:52:35 -0500 
Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote:

> This ought to be in the FAQ (maybe it is...).  

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.005.htp

> Anyway, this happens when folks are using html style email and the
> folks reading the email are using something like Outlook.

No, its a MIME problem.  Nothing more, nothing less.

> So the real problem is with the email client.

No, the problem is that for MIME messages Mailman 2.0.* is producing
bogus messages.

-- 
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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Nov 29 00:20:19 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:20:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] False, and what not...
Message-ID: <3C057133.FB7AE3B5@pcraft.com>

    Also in MM 2.0.8:

    Looking in Defaults.py, there's this section:


# Pipermail archives contain the raw email addresses of the posting
authors.
# Some view this as a goldmine for spam harvesters.  Set this to false
to
# moderately obscure email addresses, but note that this breaks mailto:
URLs
# in the archives too.
ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS = 0


    The text above says, 'set this to false to moderately obscure email
addresses'.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that default setting
already set to false?  It's a bit confusing telling someone to set the
value to false if they want to obfuscate stuff when the setting is
already set that way.

    In my head 0 = false, 1 = true.

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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Nov 29 00:31:31 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:31:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
Message-ID: <200111282331.PAA14416@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
> > 
> > >>>>> "B" == Bob  <bob at nleaudio.com> writes:
> > 
> >     B> So how do you change it for a list already created?  Export the
> >     B> config file, mess with it, then re-import?
> > 
> > Make bin/withlist your best friend! :)
> 
> Could you describe exactly how to do this, please - perhaps even add it
> to the FAQ? It would be of great help to those of us who don't know, nor
> have the time to learn, python. Thanks.

Didn't even bother to look at bin/withlist, did you?

There's a huge example right at the beginning of the script.




From jonc at haht.com  Thu Nov 29 00:52:58 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:52:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP and Message-Ids
References: <1006968737.23269.2.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net> <01112812531307.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com> <1006971174.23269.4.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net>
Message-ID: <03ca01c17867$d1bf14d0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Mailman has to somehow mark the message that it places in the news group so
that it know not to suck that message back in and resend it to the list.  It
seems to use the message id for this function.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simen E. Sandberg" <senilix at gallerbyen.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] NNTP and Message-Ids


> On Wed, 2001-11-28 at 18:53, Jon Carnes wrote:
> > That's an interesting problem...  You could write a small script on the
> > News server side that scans the articles and substitues in the poper
> > information in the header of those articles.  Still in order to make
this
> > work correctly, you would be making assumptions that I don't think
Mailman
> > should make by default.
>
> I don't know when the Message-Id changes. If it is Mailman that changes
> it, why? And is it possible for Mailman to change the header for the
> mailing list recipients too?
>





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Nov 29 01:52:44 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:52:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to do umbrella lists
References: <15365.11551.282578.580687@bluetooth.centerfunk.co.at>
Message-ID: <041201c17870$285ae3c0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.005.htp

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernst Taumberger" <e.taumberger at centerfunk.at>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 1:29 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to do umbrella lists


> I apologize if this is somewhere in the docu (I looked but in vain) but
...
>
> What I want to do is to capture the members of a number of lists (staff of
> various departments) into a list that contains all the members of all the
> member lists.
>
> Can I do this with umbrella lists, and if so, how?
>
> Ernst
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From imacat at mail.imacat.idv.tw  Thu Nov 29 03:07:12 2001
From: imacat at mail.imacat.idv.tw (=?BIG5?B?qMy6v7/f?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:07:12 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] News gateway and member_posting_only
Message-ID: <20011129094706.9EF3.IMACAT@mail.imacat.idv.tw>

Dear all,

    Hi.  I'm new to this list.

    I don't know whether someone has mentioned before.  I have a list
that is trading posts with a news gateway.  I want to restrict this list
to member_posting_only (to avoid spams), while allowing posts from this
trusted news gateway (they will deal with their spam themself).  Does
anyone know what to do?

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From gking at evildomain.dyndns.org  Thu Nov 29 04:44:25 2001
From: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org (Geoffrey King)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 03:44:25 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
Message-ID: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJAEHNECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>

This has probably been answered a thousand times before but I have a problem
with postfix+mailman on Suse 7.2 Linux.

Basically. I relpy to a confirmation email to join a list and get the
following back..


---------
This is the Postfix

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

			The Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.2 (i386) program

<hlmods-request at evildomain.dyndns.org>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd hlmods". Command output: Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 51, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?)
-------

I did use the --mail-gid=postfix (51) when executing the configure script,
but it doesn't seem to help?

Whats wrong? what do I need to alter to make it work?




From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 05:19:00 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:19:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User database for htaccess
References: <OOEAJNMEDCNHFBOABKIFAEKCEDAA.maillist@spotteddog.com>
Message-ID: <04c901c1788c$f916cc60$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Okay, I mucked with the script I sent you for about a half an hour and this
is what I came up with:
===
touch /etc/httpd/.htaccess.mpdladaux
for i in `~mailman/bin/list_members mpdladaux`
do
   PASS="`strings ~mailman/lists/mpdladaux/config.db | \
      grep -i -A1 $i |head -5 |tail -1 | sed 's/s$//' `"
   htpasswd -b /etc/httpd/.htaccess.mpdladaux $i $PASS
done
===

This should work for you without any modifications.  Note: I've found a
better way of dumping the data out of the config list (than using "strings")
which would let this work across all versions of Mailman, but that would
require an other hour and this should  work just fine!

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mailing List, Spotted Dog" <maillist at spotteddog.com>
To: <jonc at nc.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] User database for htaccess


> I really appreciate your help on this as I'm sure that I am only making it
> more complicated than it has to be.
>
> The setup I have is under
> /home/mailman
>
>
> The list I am trying to set this for is
> mpdladaux
>
> And I would like the password database to reside at
> /etc/httpd/
>
> I have an understanding of the .htaccess and htpasswd program as I have a
> few other directories that are protected by htaccess, but I'm not to keen
> on making it automated, up to now I have had to do it all by hand, but
with
> users being able to change their passwords at will it makes it kind of
> frustrating for me.
>
>
> Thanks
> Patrick Agee
> pagee at spotteddog.com
>





From tgrace at thestar.ca  Wed Nov 28 03:18:20 2001
From: tgrace at thestar.ca (Grace, Terry)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:18:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Output from "cron" command
Message-ID: <B3AA75A19260D3118F3B00902798992B0492826B@mail2.thestar.ca>

Anyone have any idea why I started getting these during the daily digest run
and/or how to fix? Thanks for any help.

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman [mailto:mailman] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:00 PM
To: mailman
Subject: Output from "cron" command


Your "cron" job on snoopy
/usr/local/bin/python -S /opt/mailman/cron/senddigests

produced the following output:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/opt/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/opt/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 53, in send_list_digest
    ToDigest.inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 170, in
inject_digest
    msg = digest.asMIME()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 242, in asMIME
    return self.Present(mime=1)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in Present
    lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs())
ValueError: unsupported format character '
' (0xd)
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From marina at reliance.it  Wed Nov 28 04:25:43 2001
From: marina at reliance.it (marina)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:25:43 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
In-Reply-To: <20011127094425.A19793@mems-exchange.org>
References: <p04330101b82526daa4cc@[192.164.0.2]>
 <20011127094425.A19793@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <p04330105b82a05706ffa@[192.164.0.2]>

Thanks Greg! It's useful information.

Now that we're certain this feature is not available in Mailman (and 
it's still needed), what we are doing is writing a CGI form that 
collects the information from the user when they subscribe, and that 
CGI will then email Mailman to start the subscription. The other 
information I guess we can store in MySQL or similar.

Do you think anybody else would be interested in this? If you think 
they might be, we'd be happy to post this to the Mailman site.

Cheers,

marina
<http://www.programmer-software.com>



At 9:44 AM -0500 27/11/01 [dmy], you wrote about [Subject] Re: 
[Mailman-Users] Subscriber names:
  >On 24 November 2001, marina said:
  >> Does anybody know whether there's a way for Mailman to ask (and
  >> remember) subscriber names, as well as their email addresses?
  >
  >With Mailman 2.0.x, this is not possible.  Mailman only remembers
  >subscriber's address, password, and options.
  >
  >        Greg
  >--
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From senilix at gallerbyen.net  Wed Nov 28 16:25:33 2001
From: senilix at gallerbyen.net (Simen E. Sandberg)
Date: 28 Nov 2001 16:25:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP and Message-Ids
Message-ID: <1006961134.21205.8.camel@asterix.gallerbyen.net>

First: Sorry for my bad english. I'm not a native english-speaker, so
please ignore my mistakes. :o)

I'm running some lists with the NNTP-gateway enabled both ways. I've
noticed that when mailman posts to the newsgroup, it changes the
Message-Id. Or, I guess it's mailman and not INN. This generates
problems with threading, since one message got two message ids.

An example:

test at lists.example.com both posts and collects messages from local.test
at the news-server news.example.com. John and Anne are both subscribed
to the list and Peter prefers to use the news-server.

John posts a message to the list with subject "Hello". John's client
generates the message id <john123.456 at example.com> for that mail.
Mailman will now forward that message correctly to Anne, with the right
message id. But when Peter reads the message at the news-server, he will
see the message id <mailman.345.987 at lists.example.com>.

So far, everything looks fine for the users. But now Anne wants to make
a reply to John's post and posts a message to the list with subject "Re:
Hello". This message has the In-Reply-To-header
"<john123.456 at example.com>", since this is the message id on the mail
she recieved. Peter, who are still using NNTP, will not be able to find
the message <john123.456 at example.com>, since it has been renamed to
<mailman.345.654 at lists.example.com> on the news-server. Peter's
newsreader will then create a new thread for the reply.


Are there any way I can let all the users of my lists recieve the same
message ids, so my news-reading users will be able to get the threads
right?

Thak you in advance.

(I'm subscribed to the list, with the address mailman at senilix.net)

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From galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org  Wed Nov 28 16:38:18 2001
From: galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org (George Galang)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 10:38:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question..
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111281037300.11160-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>


I am running qmail and mailman 2.0.7.  I can get mailman to send out 
messages to the local users, but I can't get it to send out to users who 
are not hosted on the machine it is running.  Any advice?  I can provide 
some configuration if you want, though I am new at adminstrating qmail 
and mailman.

-- 
George Galang - 9803004





From bcosi.duomo at tiscalinet.it  Wed Nov 28 16:43:52 2001
From: bcosi.duomo at tiscalinet.it (Cosi Barbara)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:43:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Submit command to the list
Message-ID: <00ec01c17823$7b6ec510$f51414ac@cosba>

I am subsrcibed to many mailinglist, and if i would like to set my option via email i can do it by posting the command  to the email of the mailinglist.

For example i can send an email with this command:

SET  name DIGEST

or 

REV milinglist BY COUNTRY

How can I do it with Mailman???

TIA
Barbara Cosi
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From matt at firstchurchseattle.org  Wed Nov 28 23:51:43 2001
From: matt at firstchurchseattle.org (Matt Garman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:51:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: <01C1781C.32A6E3A0.matt@firstchurchseattle.org>

hi there,

I work for the First United Methodist Church of Seattle.  We use your 
service to send out the email version of our newsletter.  I've recently 
been given stewardship of maintaining the list and have a basic question. 
 Currently, the way the list is configured for us, we only have email 
addresses listed.  I would like to have a field for names to be included as 
well, in tandem with the addresses; this way we can easily determine by 
member's names whether someone is subscribed to the list or not.

Can you help me with this?  I just want names to able to be added.

thank you

Matt Garman
SFUMC Office Assistant




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 29 06:34:41 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:34:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
Message-ID: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu>

<<Reply-To: set>>

A moderately frequent request on these lists has been, "How can I
back up my Mailman lists/membership/etc?"  I happened to be in the
area today touching up the scripts I use.  Please feel free to adapt
freely.

Note: You'll need to have a reasonably recent version of nmh
installed as the scripts rely on the MH tools to build a MIME
message:

  http://www.mhost.com/nmh/

The scripts:
          
  ~/bin/mimemail:
    --<cut>--
    #!/bin/bash
    #set -x
    
    subject=$1
    file=$2
    addr=$3
    
    echo "To: ${addr}
    From: nobody
    Subject: ${subject}
    
    #application/octet-stream [${subject}] ${file}
    
    " | /usr/bin/mh/mhbuild - > /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
    /usr/lib/mh/post -verbose -watch /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
    rm /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
    --<cut>--
    
  ~/bin/mailman.backup
    --<cut>--
    #!/bin/bash
    #set -x

    datestr=`date +%Y%m%d`
    host=`hostname -f`
    file=mailman.lists.${datestr}.tar.gz
    filepath=~/backups/${file}
    sendto="root"

    cd /var/lib/mailman
    tar zcf ${filepath} lists
    cd ~/backups
    mimemail ${file} ${filepath} ${sendto}
    #rm ${file}
    --<cut>-
    
Yeah, there are some hard coded paths in there.  Sue me.  I never
said they were pretty, merely that they worked.  Brief explanation:

  mimemail takes three arguments: the Subject: of the message its
  going to send, the file it is going to send, and the address it is
  going to send it to.  mimemail depends on the nmh tools to build
  the MIME message.

  mailman.backup takes no arguments.  It creates a compressed
  tarball of ~mailman/lists in the file
  ~/backups/mailman.lists.YYMMDD.tar.gz

    eg: mailman.lists.20011128.tar.gz

  And then uses mimemail to send that file to root at localhost
  (edit/change if you want) before deleting it.

To use drop them in a cronjob something like:  

  0 6 * * 0 /home/archiver/bin/mailman.backup

A sample execution should look something like:

  $ ./mailman.backup
   -- Posting for All Recipients --
    -- Local Recipients --
    root: address ok
   -- Recipient Copies Posted --
  Message Processed
  
The result will be that every time the cronjob runs it will send you
(in this case root at host.dom) a message looking something like:

  Subject: mailman.lists.20011128.tar.gz
  From: nobody at kanga.nu
  Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:12:55 -0800
  To: root at kanga.nu

  <MIME attachment application/octet-stream> 

Where the MIME attachment is the tarball constructed by
~/bin/mailman.backup.  Edit the value of sendto in mailman.backup if
you want them going somewhere else.

I've added this to FAQ at:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.006.htp

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From richard at 4qd.org  Wed Nov 28 20:52:35 2001
From: richard at 4qd.org (Richard Torrens)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:52:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RELEASE Mailman 2.0.8
In-Reply-To: <15365.1301.182637.627419@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15364.26810.428559.248496@anthem.wooz.org>
	<200111281215.fASCFNY26533@camel.lrllamas.com>
	<0111281347160T.15565@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>
	<200111281306.fASD6jY26933@camel.lrllamas.com> <15365.1301.182637.627419@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <4ae0a69d49richard@4qd.org>

In article <15365.1301.182637.627419 at anthem.wooz.org>,
   Barry A. Warsaw <barry at zope.com> wrote:

> >>>>> "C" == Camel  <camel at lrllamas.com> writes:

>     C> False alarm - it was Konqueror - No problem w/ opera or
>     C> netscape

> Mailman 2.0.x uses a slightly non-standard cookie format, which I
> suspect -- but don't know for sure -- is the problem with Konqueror.
> I've verified that Mailman 2.1 + Konq 2.1.1 works just fine.

> -Barry

> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From jonc at haht.com  Thu Nov 29 08:09:17 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:09:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <050901c178a4$c27790f0$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Cool scripts.  I used to do something similar, and then I moved over to
using "ncftp" to drop the tarball off on my backup-server.  A matter of
preference, but I like that better than mailing myself the tarball.

Jon Carnes
----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Cc: <mailman-developers at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:34 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations


>
> <<Reply-To: set>>
>
> A moderately frequent request on these lists has been, "How can I
> back up my Mailman lists/membership/etc?"  I happened to be in the
> area today touching up the scripts I use.  Please feel free to adapt
> freely.
>
> Note: You'll need to have a reasonably recent version of nmh
> installed as the scripts rely on the MH tools to build a MIME
> message:
>
>   http://www.mhost.com/nmh/
>
> The scripts:
>
>   ~/bin/mimemail:
>     --<cut>--
>     #!/bin/bash
>     #set -x
>
>     subject=$1
>     file=$2
>     addr=$3
>
>     echo "To: ${addr}
>     From: nobody
>     Subject: ${subject}
>
>     #application/octet-stream [${subject}] ${file}
>
>     " | /usr/bin/mh/mhbuild - > /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
>     /usr/lib/mh/post -verbose -watch /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
>     rm /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
>     --<cut>--
>
>   ~/bin/mailman.backup
>     --<cut>--
>     #!/bin/bash
>     #set -x
>
>     datestr=`date +%Y%m%d`
>     host=`hostname -f`
>     file=mailman.lists.${datestr}.tar.gz
>     filepath=~/backups/${file}
>     sendto="root"
>
>     cd /var/lib/mailman
>     tar zcf ${filepath} lists
>     cd ~/backups
>     mimemail ${file} ${filepath} ${sendto}
>     #rm ${file}
>     --<cut>-
>
> Yeah, there are some hard coded paths in there.  Sue me.  I never
> said they were pretty, merely that they worked.  Brief explanation:
>
>   mimemail takes three arguments: the Subject: of the message its
>   going to send, the file it is going to send, and the address it is
>   going to send it to.  mimemail depends on the nmh tools to build
>   the MIME message.
>
>   mailman.backup takes no arguments.  It creates a compressed
>   tarball of ~mailman/lists in the file
>   ~/backups/mailman.lists.YYMMDD.tar.gz
>
>     eg: mailman.lists.20011128.tar.gz
>
>   And then uses mimemail to send that file to root at localhost
>   (edit/change if you want) before deleting it.
>
> To use drop them in a cronjob something like:
>
>   0 6 * * 0 /home/archiver/bin/mailman.backup
>
> A sample execution should look something like:
>
>   $ ./mailman.backup
>    -- Posting for All Recipients --
>     -- Local Recipients --
>     root: address ok
>    -- Recipient Copies Posted --
>   Message Processed
>
> The result will be that every time the cronjob runs it will send you
> (in this case root at host.dom) a message looking something like:
>
>   Subject: mailman.lists.20011128.tar.gz
>   From: nobody at kanga.nu
>   Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:12:55 -0800
>   To: root at kanga.nu
>
>   <MIME attachment application/octet-stream>
>
> Where the MIME attachment is the tarball constructed by
> ~/bin/mailman.backup.  Edit the value of sendto in mailman.backup if
> you want them going somewhere else.
>
> I've added this to FAQ at:
>
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.006.htp
>
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 29 08:36:54 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 23:36:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Jon Carnes" <jonc@haht.com> 
   of "Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:09:17 EST." <050901c178a4$c27790f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> 
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu>  <050901c178a4$c27790f0$0b04010a@JCARNES> 
Message-ID: <22917.1007019414@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:09:17 -0500 
Jon Carnes <jonc at haht.com> wrote:

> Cool scripts.  

Hacks really.

> I used to do something similar, and then I moved over to using
> "ncftp" to drop the tarball off on my backup-server.  A matter of
> preference, but I like that better than mailing myself the
> tarball.

Originally I kept the tarballs as versioned files in a ZOO archive.
I didn't like this as ZOO suffers as a tool and there was no
distribution.

Then I used to SSH/scp the tarballs to myself on another system.  I
didn't like this as it required that the tool that did the file copy
must be able to authenticate itself on the other system (ie SSH
public key authentication).  I didn't like that as compromise of the
local system thereby implied compromise of the the other system as
well (or at least questions of untrusted shell access).  Not good.

No I mail them.  No trust models required other than the fact that
I'm implicitly exposing the tarballs en-route to interception, and
thus the password/membership base as well.  Well, that would be a
problem except that the root account on that box delivers to a local
mbox which I collect over an IMAP-SSL connection (the wonders of
fetchmail).

So, I get a decent trust model *and* distribution.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From moseleymm at hank.org  Thu Nov 29 14:28:04 2001
From: moseleymm at hank.org (Bill Moseley)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:28:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] Digests in general (was: MIME Digests)
In-Reply-To: <3111.1006975479@kanga.nu>
References: <Message from tneff@bigfoot.com    of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:14:43 EST." <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz>
 <2787.1006974591@kanga.nu>
 <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20011129052804.023fa7b8@pop3.hank.org>

Ok, this is straying off topic.

I really have one problem with the Digests, MIME or otherwise, which is
that someone almost always seems to reply to a message in a digest, and
includes the entire digest in their reply, and often with a worthless subject.

I can catch some of those with message limit size, but not always.  What's
a list admin to do?



Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley at hank.org



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Nov 29 14:51:55 2001
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:51:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] Digests in general (was: MIME Digests)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011129052804.023fa7b8@pop3.hank.org>; from moseleymm@hank.org on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 05:28:04AM -0800
References: <Message <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz> <2787.1006974591@kanga.nu> <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz> <3111.1006975479@kanga.nu> <3.0.3.32.20011129052804.023fa7b8@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <20011129085155.D31866@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Bill Moseley (moseleymm at hank.org):
> I really have one problem with the Digests, MIME or otherwise, which is
> that someone almost always seems to reply to a message in a digest, and
> includes the entire digest in their reply, and often with a worthless subject.
> 
> I can catch some of those with message limit size, but not always.  What's
> a list admin to do?

I get a bunch of those too, mostly on the lists I run for pilots.  Pilots
are pretty clueless when it comes to computers - they got into the net
because they heard there's lots of weather info here, but don't really
have a clue about email stuff.  You get an email with the subject line
"[UpstateAv] Re: UpstateAv digest, Vol 1 #397 - 7 msgs" or whatever, and
the whole bloody digest quoted under the new text, and the new text
doesn't exactly make it clear which message the person is responding to.
It's all part of the "TOFU" phenomenon, which I think is at least partly
Outlook's fault.  (TOFU == Text Over, Fullquote Under.  It looks better in
German.)

Personally, I don't even understand why people subscribe to a digest, so I
can't offer any insight into how to cure the problem.  If they do so
in order to make sure they get all their list mail at one time rather than
having it trickle in, then we could just hold their mail until a
designated time and send it as several separate mails instead of one
digest.  But if it's so that they can have only one email instead of
multiple, well I don't understand that at all, because I use a threading
mail reader (mutt) and I want my mail in separate messages so they can be
threaded the way *I* configured.  So if that's their motivation, I can't
offer any insight or help.


-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.



From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Nov 29 15:08:47 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:08:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com>

My only problem with this is that it still leaves config.db for each list in
a binary format.  So, I can not simply place it on a Linux platform and move
the list from a FreeBSD platform which was running a different version of
Python and a different version of Berkley DB.  So -- I need a script to
extract the information from these DB files and to be able to reload it
again.

Essentially, it would be nice to have a script that was like this:

% mm_bkup <listname> <filename>
% mm_restore <listname> <filename>

The <filename> would contain the archives, members, passwords, member
settings and all list setting.  It would also be platform independent, so it
wouldn't matter what version of Python, Berkley DB or the operation system
mailman is running on.

I don't know Python (although I do know C++ and Java quite well), and I
really don't want to learn it for this singular use.  I was hoping somebody
had already written such a script.

Thanks in advance,

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu>
To: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Cc: <mailman-developers at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations


>
> <<Reply-To: set>>
>
> A moderately frequent request on these lists has been, "How can I
> back up my Mailman lists/membership/etc?"  I happened to be in the
> area today touching up the scripts I use.  Please feel free to adapt
> freely.
>
> Note: You'll need to have a reasonably recent version of nmh
> installed as the scripts rely on the MH tools to build a MIME
> message:
>
>   http://www.mhost.com/nmh/
>
> The scripts:
>
>   ~/bin/mimemail:
>     --<cut>--
>     #!/bin/bash
>     #set -x
>
>     subject=$1
>     file=$2
>     addr=$3
>
>     echo "To: ${addr}
>     From: nobody
>     Subject: ${subject}
>
>     #application/octet-stream [${subject}] ${file}
>
>     " | /usr/bin/mh/mhbuild - > /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
>     /usr/lib/mh/post -verbose -watch /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
>     rm /tmp/mimemail.tmp.${$}
>     --<cut>--
>
>   ~/bin/mailman.backup
>     --<cut>--
>     #!/bin/bash
>     #set -x
>
>     datestr=`date +%Y%m%d`
>     host=`hostname -f`
>     file=mailman.lists.${datestr}.tar.gz
>     filepath=~/backups/${file}
>     sendto="root"
>
>     cd /var/lib/mailman
>     tar zcf ${filepath} lists
>     cd ~/backups
>     mimemail ${file} ${filepath} ${sendto}
>     #rm ${file}
>     --<cut>-
>
> Yeah, there are some hard coded paths in there.  Sue me.  I never
> said they were pretty, merely that they worked.  Brief explanation:
>
>   mimemail takes three arguments: the Subject: of the message its
>   going to send, the file it is going to send, and the address it is
>   going to send it to.  mimemail depends on the nmh tools to build
>   the MIME message.
>
>   mailman.backup takes no arguments.  It creates a compressed
>   tarball of ~mailman/lists in the file
>   ~/backups/mailman.lists.YYMMDD.tar.gz
>
>     eg: mailman.lists.20011128.tar.gz
>
>   And then uses mimemail to send that file to root at localhost
>   (edit/change if you want) before deleting it.
>
> To use drop them in a cronjob something like:
>
>   0 6 * * 0 /home/archiver/bin/mailman.backup
>
> A sample execution should look something like:
>
>   $ ./mailman.backup
>    -- Posting for All Recipients --
>     -- Local Recipients --
>     root: address ok
>    -- Recipient Copies Posted --
>   Message Processed
>
> The result will be that every time the cronjob runs it will send you
> (in this case root at host.dom) a message looking something like:
>
>   Subject: mailman.lists.20011128.tar.gz
>   From: nobody at kanga.nu
>   Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:12:55 -0800
>   To: root at kanga.nu
>
>   <MIME attachment application/octet-stream>
>
> Where the MIME attachment is the tarball constructed by
> ~/bin/mailman.backup.  Edit the value of sendto in mailman.backup if
> you want them going somewhere else.
>
> I've added this to FAQ at:
>
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.006.htp
>
> --
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 29 15:55:46 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Output from "cron" command
In-Reply-To: <B3AA75A19260D3118F3B00902798992B0492826B@mail2.thestar.ca>
References: <B3AA75A19260D3118F3B00902798992B0492826B@mail2.thestar.ca>
Message-ID: <20011129095546.A27154@mems-exchange.org>

On 27 November 2001, Grace, Terry said:
> Anyone have any idea why I started getting these during the daily digest run
> and/or how to fix? Thanks for any help.
> 
[...]
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in Present
>     lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs())
> ValueError: unsupported format character '
> ' (0xd)

Sound like a combination of a bad footer or header template and a bug in
Mailman that doesn't handle that bad template very well.  ISTR something
like this being fixed in a recent Mailman release; which version are you
running?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 29 15:59:19 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:59:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
In-Reply-To: <01C1781C.32A6E3A0.matt@firstchurchseattle.org>
References: <01C1781C.32A6E3A0.matt@firstchurchseattle.org>
Message-ID: <20011129095918.B27154@mems-exchange.org>

On 28 November 2001, Matt Garman said:
>  Currently, the way the list is configured for us, we only have email 
> addresses listed.  I would like to have a field for names to be included as 
> well, in tandem with the addresses; this way we can easily determine by 
> member's names whether someone is subscribed to the list or not.

That question was covered just a day or two ago.  Please, with any new
mailing list, check the archives and follow the list for a few days
before posting.

It's also in the new Mailman FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.002.htp

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 29 16:00:56 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:00:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJAEHNECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>
References: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJAEHNECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20011129100056.C27154@mems-exchange.org>

On 29 November 2001, Geoffrey King said:
> This has probably been answered a thousand times before but I have a problem
> with postfix+mailman on Suse 7.2 Linux.

At *least* a thousand times. ;-)

> <hlmods-request at evildomain.dyndns.org>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd hlmods". Command output: Failure to
>     exec script. WANTED gid 51, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?)
> -------
> 
> I did use the --mail-gid=postfix (51) when executing the configure script,
> but it doesn't seem to help?

Read the error message again.  Then read this entry in the new Mailman
FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.001.htp

        Greg



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 29 16:03:21 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:03:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
In-Reply-To: <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com>
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu> <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20011129100321.D27154@mems-exchange.org>

On 29 November 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse said:
> My only problem with this is that it still leaves config.db for each list in
> a binary format.  So, I can not simply place it on a Linux platform and move
> the list from a FreeBSD platform which was running a different version of
> Python and a different version of Berkley DB.

Mailman ".db" files, despite the name, are *not* Berkeley DB files.
They are Python marshall files.  (In Mailman 2.1, they will be called
".pck" and become Python pickle files.)

In any event, I'm pretty sure they are platform independent.

Also, since when are Berkeley DB files platform-dependent?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Nov 29 16:28:24 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:28:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu> <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011129100321.D27154@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <00de01c178ea$7c89a380$3028680a@tgt.com>

> Mailman ".db" files, despite the name, are *not* Berkeley DB files.
> They are Python marshall files.  (In Mailman 2.1, they will be called
> ".pck" and become Python pickle files.)
>
> In any event, I'm pretty sure they are platform independent.

If that is the case, then are these files portable between Python
implementations and versions?  I had a horrible problem moving a mailman
2.0.2 using Python 1.52 on FreeBSD to Mailman 2.0.3 using Python 1.6 on
Linux (2.2) about one year ago.  The files could NOT be read by mailman.  I
was forced to add all the users to the new list by hand and thus reset all
the passwords and settings for each user (most unhappy about that).  It was
also a bit of a pain to get the archives working again so that users could
browse them on the web.

>
> Also, since when are Berkeley DB files platform-dependent?

I am not an expert with them -- I avoid them in favor of true RDBMS.  I was
under and assumption that they were in platform specific binary files
(though the file layout maybe the same on each platform, byte ordering could
make a difference).

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

>
>         Greg





From gwolosh at oak.njit.edu  Thu Nov 29 16:33:34 2001
From: gwolosh at oak.njit.edu (Gedaliah Wolosh)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:33:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with checkdbs script
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0111291029451.2226-100000@kippah.njit.edu>

Hi

This script produces the following output:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in
NumRequestsPending
    self.__opendb()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

I am running 2.0.8 on a solaris 2.6 machine.  The reminders are sent out,
so the script is working but I do not understand this output.

Is this something I shoud be concerned about?

_________________________________________________________________
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From Clark.Cooper at vc3.com  Thu Nov 29 16:35:21 2001
From: Clark.Cooper at vc3.com (Clark Cooper)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:35:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Options
Message-ID: <040401c178eb$752e49a0$7b008d0a@sc.slr.com>

I am running Mailman 2.0.8 and am wondering how the Bounce Options in
the Admin menus work.  Basically, I would like to automatically disable
an account for X number of bounces.  My testing does not show any such
actions taken for X bounces for an invalid list member email address.
I have the default settings for all options.  Can some explain how this
works?
 
Thank you,
Clark Cooper
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From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 16:35:25 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:35:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
In-Reply-To: <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com>
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu> <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <01112910352501.01188@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Feel free to create such a script.  It should be fairly easy - if tedious 
to do:

../bin/config_list will easily dump out the entire list configuration in 
text format, and it will also easily dump it right back into a list...

../bin/list_members will let you dump out the user lists into groups that 
recieve regular or digest mail

../bin/add_members will let you add users to a list and select whether they 
are "digest" or "regular" mail users.

And that gives you everything but the Membership options for each 
individual user: hide, nomail, ack, and notmetoo

../bin/dumpdb will let you dump out everything!  This lets you dump out the 
config of the list plus all the users and their options.  The options are 
in the section:   
  'user_options': {   'email address': option_binary,
                 'email address': option_binary, 
                 'email address': option_binary,
                   ...
The email address is followed by a number that corresponds to the options 
for the user:

  1  = nomail (+digest)
  2  = notmetoo (+digest)
  4  = ack (+digest)
  8  = plain
 16  = hide (+digest)
 ====
  9  = nomail + plain
  12 = ack + plain
  24 = hide + plain
  27 = hide + nomail + notmetoo + plain
  
Using this, you can record the users individual options.

Now here is the *hard* part (okay so it's not that easy...). The only way 
to get the options back into a database (using available tools) seems to be 
via the ../bin/withlist command.  I'll leave this to someone with more time 
to figure it out...

Jon

On Thursday 29 November 2001 09:08, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> My only problem with this is that it still leaves config.db for each list
> in a binary format.  So, I can not simply place it on a Linux platform
> and move the list from a FreeBSD platform which was running a different
> version of Python and a different version of Berkley DB.  So -- I need a
> script to extract the information from these DB files and to be able to
> reload it again.
>
> Essentially, it would be nice to have a script that was like this:
>
> % mm_bkup <listname> <filename>
> % mm_restore <listname> <filename>
>
> The <filename> would contain the archives, members, passwords, member
> settings and all list setting.  It would also be platform independent, so
> it wouldn't matter what version of Python, Berkley DB or the operation
> system mailman is running on.
>
> I don't know Python (although I do know C++ and Java quite well), and I
> really don't want to learn it for this singular use.  I was hoping
> somebody had already written such a script.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy at veldy.net
>



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 16:53:58 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] Digests in general (was: MIME Digests)
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20011129052804.023fa7b8@pop3.hank.org>
References: <Message from tneff@bigfoot.com    of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:14:43 EST." <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz> <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz> <3.0.3.32.20011129052804.023fa7b8@pop3.hank.org>
Message-ID: <01112910535903.01188@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Some things we manage via technology, others with a big stick... This is a 
"big stick" item.

Jon
===
On Thursday 29 November 2001 08:28, Bill Moseley wrote:
> Ok, this is straying off topic.
>
> I really have one problem with the Digests, MIME or otherwise, which is
> that someone almost always seems to reply to a message in a digest, and
> includes the entire digest in their reply, and often with a worthless
> subject.
>
> I can catch some of those with message limit size, but not always. 
> What's a list admin to do?
>
>
>
> Bill Moseley
> mailto:moseley at hank.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 29 16:58:48 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:58:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
In-Reply-To: <00de01c178ea$7c89a380$3028680a@tgt.com>
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu> <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20011129100321.D27154@mems-exchange.org> <00de01c178ea$7c89a380$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20011129105847.A27473@mems-exchange.org>

On 29 November 2001, Thomas T. Veldhouse said:
> If that is the case, then are these files portable between Python
> implementations and versions?

Yes, with the proviso that the format for Python bytecode (which is also
stored in marshal files -- you see them as .pyc files) usually changes
with each new Python version.  But Mailman doesn't marshal bytecode,
just lists and dictionaries.

Here's proof -- and, at the same time, a handy method for dumping
Mailman config.db files to human-readable form.  I wrote this little
script, called pprint_marshal:

  import sys
  from marshal import load
  from pprint import pprint

  fn = sys.argv[1]
  f = open(fn)
  d = load(f)
  pprint(d)

Then I transferred the ~mailman/lists tree from our mail server to my
development machine.  (Both are running Debian Linux on x86 processors,
so that's not much of a portability challenge.)  I ran the script on a
particular config.db with Python 1.5.2, 2.0, 2.1.1, and 2.2b1; it worked
just fine on all of them.  Eg.

  $ python1.5 pprint_marshal mailman/lists/test/config.db
  $ python2.0 pprint_marshal mailman/lists/test/config.db
  $ python2.1 pprint_marshal mailman/lists/test/config.db
  $ python2.2 pprint_marshal mailman/lists/test/config.db

Except for some minor changes in how Python formats strings, I got the
same result each time.

Then I copied everything to our old mail server, a Sun running Solaris
2.6.  Only Python 1.5 and 1.6 were available there, and again I got the
same results.

Oh yeah, we moved all our Mailman lists from that Sun machine
(big-endian, Solaris) to an x86 Linux machine (little-endian) a few
months ago, and had no problems whatsoever.  It never even occurred to
me that Mailman might use a non-portable format for config.db!  (C'mon,
give the Mailman cabal a little more credit...)

> I had a horrible problem moving a mailman
> 2.0.2 using Python 1.52 on FreeBSD to Mailman 2.0.3 using Python 1.6 on
> Linux (2.2) about one year ago.  The files could NOT be read by mailman.  I
> was forced to add all the users to the new list by hand and thus reset all
> the passwords and settings for each user (most unhappy about that).  It was
> also a bit of a pain to get the archives working again so that users could
> browse them on the web.

That sounds awful -- my sympathies.  I have no idea what could have gone
wrong, but I'm quite confident that config.db files are portable across
architectures and Python versions.

> I am not an expert with them -- I avoid them in favor of true RDBMS.  I was
> under and assumption that they were in platform specific binary files
> (though the file layout maybe the same on each platform, byte ordering could
> make a difference).

Not that this has *anything* to do with Mailman, but: Berkeley DB files
have a byte-order, but are platform-independent.  Using a little-endian
file on a big-endian machine obviously incurs a runtime penalty, and
vice-versa.  See
  http://www.sleepycat.com/docs/ref/am_conf/byteorder.html

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From barry at zope.com  Thu Nov 29 17:14:03 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:14:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu>
	<003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com>
	<20011129100321.D27154@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <15366.24267.627619.159864@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GW" == Greg Ward <gward at mems-exchange.org> writes:

    GW> Mailman ".db" files, despite the name, are *not* Berkeley DB
    GW> files.  They are Python marshall files.  (In Mailman 2.1, they
    GW> will be called ".pck" and become Python pickle files.)

    GW> In any event, I'm pretty sure they are platform independent.

Correct.  They are platform independent.

Note that Python marshals are not guaranteed to be compatible across
Python releases, although in practice I don't think we've ever broken
this, at least for the data types that Mailman stores.  However, this
was one of the factors for moving to Python pickles in Mailman 2.1,
which /are/ guaranteed to be compatible across Python versions,
platforms, endian-ness, etc. etc.

You may still want human readable versions of the database files
though, for other reasons.  It's not a priority of mine to provide
that, but it wouldn't be hard to write, e.g. a pickle <-> XML
conversion tool.  Contributions are welcome <wink>.

-Barry



From spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv  Thu Nov 29 17:25:01 2001
From: spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv (SpookyPlaces)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:25:01 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slows down takes days to send the mail.
In-Reply-To: <20011129095918.B27154@mems-exchange.org>
References: <01C1781C.32A6E3A0.matt@firstchurchseattle.org>
 <01C1781C.32A6E3A0.matt@firstchurchseattle.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20011129102225.00b557e0@loosecanon.tv>

Does anyone have any ideas why all of my mailman mailing lists have slowed 
down and takes days for them to send the mail out ?

I have several on two different domains and they have all slowed down.  At 
last check it was taking 3 to 4 days for them to send the mail.  I have a 
feeling it may be taking longer now.

...Bryon





From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 29 17:33:54 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:33:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list installations 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy@veldy.net> 
   of "Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:08:47 CST." <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com> 
References: <20105.1007012081@kanga.nu>  <003501c178df$5d4a38f0$3028680a@tgt.com> 
Message-ID: <2155.1007051634@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:08:47 -0600 
Thomas T Veldhouse <veldy at veldy.net> wrote:

> My only problem with this is that it still leaves config.db for
> each list in a binary format.  

Yup, this is for backups, not inter-system portability.

> So, I can not simply place it on a Linux platform and move the
> list from a FreeBSD platform which was running a different version
> of Python and a different version of Berkley DB.  

Ahh, not a requirement I have.  I'm careful to maintain parallel
compatible systems (currently all Debian/testing).

> So -- I need a script to extract the information from these DB
> files and to be able to reload it again.

~mailman/bin/dumpdb

Add a little wrapping to handle the restore (roughly 8 lines from
the last time I did this IIRC), and Bob's your uncle.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 29 17:40:59 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 08:40:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [OT] Digests in general (was: MIME Digests) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bill Moseley <moseleymm@hank.org> 
   of "Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:28:04 PST." <3.0.3.32.20011129052804.023fa7b8@pop3.hank.org> 
References: <Message from tneff@bigfoot.com of "Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:14:43 EST." <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz> <2787.1006974591@kanga.nu> <1639203390.1006956883@t283742ghzz>  <3.0.3.32.20011129052804.023fa7b8@pop3.hank.org> 
Message-ID: <2391.1007052059@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 05:28:04 -0800 
Bill Moseley <moseleymm at hank.org> wrote:

> Ok, this is straying off topic.  I really have one problem with
> the Digests, MIME or otherwise, which is that someone almost
> always seems to reply to a message in a digest, and includes the
> entire digest in their reply, and often with a worthless subject.

The easy way is to filter posts with Subject: headers that match
digests.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From joel at webbgroup.net  Thu Nov 29 17:42:39 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:42:39 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing and bouncing
Message-ID: <20011129.DMf.67637700@www.webbgroup.net>

Does anybody know where I could get some documentation on how to fix a bouncing
problem.

It looks like every address except my own personal domain addresses are being
bounced.

Any suggestions??
--
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241





From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Nov 29 17:55:57 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 09:55:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden mailman problem
Message-ID: <3C06689D.6BACE1CC@isu.edu>

Mailman 2.0.7 has been working fine on a RED HAT 7.2 machine without a
configuration change and all of a sudden it's not delivering messages,
all of the messages have been just setting in the /home/mailman/qfiles
directory.  No configuration changes have been made. I stopped sendmail
and restart it and that did not fix the problem. I also rebooted the
Linux Box, problem still occurs. I can send an email through the command
line using sendmail and that works, also I have majordomo installed on
this box and Majordomo works fine. They have both been on this system
forever and both have worked fine. Also /var/log/maillog does not report
any errors or anything abnormal. The /home/mailman/locks  directory is
empty, so there is no stalled process. The Qrunner cron job is runner
every minute it shows up in the /var/log/cron file with no errors.

The log reports in /home/mailman/logs  are reporting these error
messages.
POST  file
Nov 29:42:00 2001 (3443) post to korymail from wheakory at isu.edu,
size=441 2 failures

SMTP file
Nov 29 09:46:01 2001 (3452) smtp for 94 recips, completed in 0.006
seconds
Nov 29 09:46:01 2001 (3452) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
refused')

SMTP-FAILURE file
Nov 29 09:50:00 2001 (3470) -1 wheakory at isu.edu (ignore)

Any solutions?
--
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Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
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From gking at evildomain.dyndns.org  Thu Nov 29 18:27:37 2001
From: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org (Geoffrey King)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:27:37 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <20011129100056.C27154@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJOEIFECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>

Attempting to do that gives the following error.

checking for mail wrapper GID...
configure: error:
***** No existing group found for the mail_wrapper program.
***** This is the group that your mail delivery agent runs under, and
***** uses to run filter programs.  You might want to specify an
***** existing group with the --with-mail-gid configure option.
***** Please see your mail agent's documentation, and the INSTALL file
***** for details


command line was
'configure --with-cgi-gid=nogroup --with-mail-gid=-1 --with-cgi-ext=.cgi'


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Ward [mailto:gward at mems-exchange.org]
Sent: 29 November 2001 03:01
To: Geoffrey King
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


On 29 November 2001, Geoffrey King said:
> This has probably been answered a thousand times before but I have a
problem
> with postfix+mailman on Suse 7.2 Linux.

At *least* a thousand times. ;-)

> <hlmods-request at evildomain.dyndns.org>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd hlmods". Command output: Failure
to
>     exec script. WANTED gid 51, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take
65534?)
> -------
>
> I did use the --mail-gid=postfix (51) when executing the configure script,
> but it doesn't seem to help?

Read the error message again.  Then read this entry in the new Mailman
FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.001.htp

        Greg




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 29 18:49:22 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:49:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sudden mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <3C06689D.6BACE1CC@isu.edu>
References: <3C06689D.6BACE1CC@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <20011129124922.A28300@mems-exchange.org>

On 29 November 2001, Kory Wheatley said:
> Mailman 2.0.7 has been working fine on a RED HAT 7.2 machine without a
> configuration change and all of a sudden it's not delivering messages,
> all of the messages have been just setting in the /home/mailman/qfiles
> directory.
[...]
> SMTP file
> Nov 29 09:46:01 2001 (3452) smtp for 94 recips, completed in 0.006
> seconds
> Nov 29 09:46:01 2001 (3452) All recipients refused: (111, 'Connection
> refused')
> 
> SMTP-FAILURE file
> Nov 29 09:50:00 2001 (3470) -1 wheakory at isu.edu (ignore)

Is someone listening to port 25?  What happens if you

  telnet localhost 25

on the host in question?  (I assume your Mailman host and mail server
are the same host.)

Try a simple SMTP session, emulating what Mailman does, eg.

  EHLO localhost
  MAIL FROM:<test-admin at your.domain>
  RCPT TO:<blahblah at example.com>

Any clue?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Nov 29 18:51:13 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 12:51:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJOEIFECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>
References: <20011129100056.C27154@mems-exchange.org> <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJOEIFECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20011129125113.B28300@mems-exchange.org>

[original problem]
> <hlmods-request at evildomain.dyndns.org>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd hlmods". Command output: Failure to
>     exec script. WANTED gid 51, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take 65534?)

[my suggestion]
> Read the error message again.  Then read this entry in the new Mailman
> FAQ:
> 
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.001.htp

[latest problem]
> Attempting to do that gives the following error.
> 
> checking for mail wrapper GID...
> configure: error:
> ***** No existing group found for the mail_wrapper program.
> ***** This is the group that your mail delivery agent runs under, and
> ***** uses to run filter programs.  You might want to specify an
> ***** existing group with the --with-mail-gid configure option.
> ***** Please see your mail agent's documentation, and the INSTALL file
> ***** for details
> 
> command line was
> 'configure --with-cgi-gid=nogroup --with-mail-gid=-1 --with-cgi-ext=.cgi'

You're taking the FAQ way too literally.  Read YOUR error message and do
what it says.  The -1 in the FAQ is JUST AN EXAMPLE.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu  Thu Nov 29 18:58:20 2001
From: wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu (Paul L. Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:58:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments ... HELP!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111291155520.4791-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu>

How do I set up mailman list to remove attachments on posts?

Is there an effective virus/worm scanner for mailman on a linux box with
postfix?

thanks in advance!,


Paul L. Schumacher
Winona State University
Computer Science Department




From dan at ssc.com  Thu Nov 29 19:08:24 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:08:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce Options
In-Reply-To: <040401c178eb$752e49a0$7b008d0a@sc.slr.com>
References: <040401c178eb$752e49a0$7b008d0a@sc.slr.com>
Message-ID: <20011129100824.A12696@ssc.com>

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 10:35:21AM -0500, Clark Cooper wrote:
> I am running Mailman 2.0.8 and am wondering how the Bounce Options in
> the Admin menus work.  Basically, I would like to automatically disable
> an account for X number of bounces.  My testing does not show any such
> actions taken for X bounces for an invalid list member email address.
> I have the default settings for all options.  Can some explain how this
> works?
>  
> Thank you,
> Clark Cooper

I'll chime in on that one too.

I've tried, though probably not hard enough, to read the
code to figure out how bounces are handled.  I see
parameters for

minimum_removal_date

  Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally
  bad before we take action

minimum_post_count_before_bounce_action

  Minimum number of posts to the list since members first
  bounce before we consider removing them from the list

max_posts_between_bounces

  Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour

That last one has a name that's somewhat at variance
with its help description; and the code itself, as near as I
follow it, appears to do something a little bit different
from either the name or the description.  The only place
it is referenced is in Bouncer.py:

if self.post_id - hist[2] > self.max_posts_between_bounces:
  ...
  syslog("bounce", report + "first fresh")

which appears to (??) forgive but not forget. 

It isn't obvious what to do with this one for low-traffic lists,
such as several announce lists I run, which receive exactly
one post a week.  The ideal behavior for an announce list would 
be to remove members after a configurable number of consecutive 
(not cumulative) bounces, regardless of any other consideration.  

Clearly that is difficult to achieve in this context, as this code 
activates only on delivery failure, not on delivery success, which
is difficult to gauge; so there's some sort of proxy information 
needed, and perhaps that proxy information could be calculated from 
estimates of posting rate and bounce thresholds; that appears to 
be what's attempted here.

Setting this to a large number seems to work better for a
low-traffic list than setting it to a small number.  That's
somewhat counterintuitive, at least based on the descriptions
of the value.

I guess I'm wondering if anybody recalls the intent of this code.

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From gking at evildomain.dyndns.org  Thu Nov 29 19:28:16 2001
From: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org (Geoffrey King)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:28:16 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <20011129132248.A14676@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJAEIKECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>

I've changed the gid of wrapper to postfix. The error is unchanged.

Is there anyway I can stop postfix from doing this check?

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Tomblin [mailto:ptomblin at xcski.com]
Sent: 29 November 2001 06:23
To: Geoffrey King
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


Quoting Geoffrey King (gking at evildomain.dyndns.org):
> I've changed the gid of wrapper to postfix. The error is unchanged.
> 
> Is there anyway I can stop postfix from doing this check?

I don't know.  I've never had the problem.  I guess you should take this
back to the mailing list.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Heuristics are bug ridden by definition.  If they didn't have bugs,
then they'd be algorithms.




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Nov 29 19:38:05 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 10:38:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments ... HELP! 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Paul L. Schumacher" <wnpauls@linux2.winona.msus.edu> 
   of "Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:58:20 CST." <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111291155520.4791-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111291155520.4791-100000@linux2.winona.msus.edu> 
Message-ID: <5488.1007059085@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:58:20 -0600 (CST) 
Paul L Schumacher <wnpauls at linux2.winona.msus.edu> wrote:

> How do I set up mailman list to remove attachments on posts?  

FAQ: 

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.008.htp

> Is there an effective virus/worm scanner for mailman on a linux
> box with postfix?

Amavis?

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From gking at evildomain.dyndns.org  Thu Nov 29 19:56:28 2001
From: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org (Geoffrey King)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 18:56:28 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <01a701c17906$24406850$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJCEIMECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>

The cgi's are working fine.

I've checked the main.cf and it reads as follows.

default_privs = nobody

so.. I reran configure with the --with-mail-gid=nobody But it complained
that nobody is not a group.
Indeed it isn't. The group that servers that funcion on SuSE is 'nogroup'. I
tried that too.
Anyways, postfix still complains as before regardless.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy at veldy.net]
Sent: 29 November 2001 06:46
To: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


Did you try:

'configure --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=nobody

This is the typical setup on FreeBSD.

You can find the mail-gid in your /etc/postfix/main.cf  -- look for:

     default_privs = nobody

You can find your cgi-gid in /etc/apache/httpd.conf -- look for:

    User nobody
    Group nobody

Use the Group entry of course.  On many Linux installations, Apache is set
up with group "nogroup" and postfix uses group "nobody".  In this case:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-cgi-gid=nogroup --with-mail-g
id=nobody
make all
postfix stop
make install
postfix start


Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net





----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey King" <gking at evildomain.dyndns.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


>
> I've changed the gid of wrapper to postfix. The error is unchanged.
>
> Is there anyway I can stop postfix from doing this check?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tomblin [mailto:ptomblin at xcski.com]
> Sent: 29 November 2001 06:23
> To: Geoffrey King
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
>
>
> Quoting Geoffrey King (gking at evildomain.dyndns.org):
> > I've changed the gid of wrapper to postfix. The error is unchanged.
> >
> > Is there anyway I can stop postfix from doing this check?
>
> I don't know.  I've never had the problem.  I guess you should take this
> back to the mailing list.
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
> Heuristics are bug ridden by definition.  If they didn't have bugs,
> then they'd be algorithms.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Thu Nov 29 20:09:58 2001
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:09:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJCEIMECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>; from gking@evildomain.dyndns.org on Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 06:56:28PM -0000
References: <01a701c17906$24406850$3028680a@tgt.com> <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJCEIMECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20011129140958.A16704@allhats.xcski.com>

Quoting Geoffrey King (gking at evildomain.dyndns.org):
> The cgi's are working fine.
> 
> I've checked the main.cf and it reads as follows.
> 
> default_privs = nobody

In my main.cf, that line is commented out.  Try that.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
		-- Arthur C. Clarke



From gking at evildomain.dyndns.org  Thu Nov 29 20:22:04 2001
From: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org (Geoffrey King)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 19:22:04 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <20011129140958.A16704@allhats.xcski.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJMEINECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>

No change :(

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Tomblin
Sent: 29 November 2001 07:10
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


Quoting Geoffrey King (gking at evildomain.dyndns.org):
> The cgi's are working fine.
> 
> I've checked the main.cf and it reads as follows.
> 
> default_privs = nobody

In my main.cf, that line is commented out.  Try that.

-- 
Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
		-- Arthur C. Clarke

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Nov 29 20:57:41 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:57:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
References: <E169RGM-0006fT-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3C069335.B1439045@nleaudio.com>

> Thanks Greg! It's useful information.
> 
> Now that we're certain this feature is not available in Mailman (and 
> it's still needed), what we are doing is writing a CGI form that 
> collects the information from the user when they subscribe, and that 
> CGI will then email Mailman to start the subscription. The other 
> information I guess we can store in MySQL or similar.
> 
> Do you think anybody else would be interested in this? If you think 
> they might be, we'd be happy to post this to the Mailman site.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> marina

You mean like the script I posted at:
http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman

Bob



From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Nov 29 21:05:48 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:05:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
References: <E169RGM-0006fT-00@mail.python.org> <3C069335.B1439045@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <3C06951B.66B274A2@pcraft.com>

"Bob Puff at NLE" wrote:

> You mean like the script I posted at:
> http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman

    You forgot the .htm after that: http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm

--
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  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
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  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From veldy at veldy.net  Thu Nov 29 21:14:07 2001
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:14:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
Message-ID: <01e901c17912$66915fa0$3028680a@tgt.com>

Sorry,  I wasn't paying attention.

Try:

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=65534 --with-cgi-gid=nogr
oup


Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy at veldy.net>
To: <gking at evildomain.dyndns.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


> It looks like it wants gid = 51.  Did you double check what group (not
user)
> 51 is?  Seems to me you could have been using the uid instead of the gid.
>
> You could
>
>
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=51 --with-cgi-gid=no
> group
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy at veldy.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoffrey King" <gking at evildomain.dyndns.org>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:22 PM
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
>
>
> >
> > No change :(
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Tomblin
> > Sent: 29 November 2001 07:10
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
> >
> >
> > Quoting Geoffrey King (gking at evildomain.dyndns.org):
> > > The cgi's are working fine.
> > >
> > > I've checked the main.cf and it reads as follows.
> > >
> > > default_privs = nobody
> >
> > In my main.cf, that line is commented out.  Try that.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
> > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
> > -- Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>




From gking at evildomain.dyndns.org  Thu Nov 29 21:19:47 2001
From: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org (Geoffrey King)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:19:47 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <01e901c17912$66915fa0$3028680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIALILOOGJDLABBJJEEJAECAA.gking@evildomain.dyndns.org>

That appears to of fixed the problem. Thanks :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas T. Veldhouse [mailto:veldy at veldy.net]
Sent: 29 November 2001 08:14
To: gking at evildomain.dyndns.org
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


Sorry,  I wasn't paying attention.

Try:

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-mail-gid=65534 --with-cgi-gid=nogr
oup


Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy at veldy.net>
To: <gking at evildomain.dyndns.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix


> It looks like it wants gid = 51.  Did you double check what group (not
user)
> 51 is?  Seems to me you could have been using the uid instead of the gid.
>
> You could
>
>
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=51 --with-cgi-gid=no
> group
>
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy at veldy.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoffrey King" <gking at evildomain.dyndns.org>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:22 PM
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
>
>
> >
> > No change :(
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Paul Tomblin
> > Sent: 29 November 2001 07:10
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Postfix
> >
> >
> > Quoting Geoffrey King (gking at evildomain.dyndns.org):
> > > The cgi's are working fine.
> > >
> > > I've checked the main.cf and it reads as follows.
> > >
> > > default_privs = nobody
> >
> > In my main.cf, that line is commented out.  Try that.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>, not speaking for anybody
> > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
> > -- Arthur C. Clarke
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>





From jonc at haht.com  Thu Nov 29 22:06:33 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names
References: <E169RGM-0006fT-00@mail.python.org> <3C069335.B1439045@nleaudio.com> <3C06951B.66B274A2@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c17919$b9dbfd30$0b04010a@JCARNES>

You might want to include your site link in the FAQ-o-matic to point folks
to your solution for grabbing extra information and storing it.

Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ashley M. Kirchner" <ashley at pcraft.com>
To: "Bob Puff at NLE" <bob at nleaudio.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber names


> "Bob Puff at NLE" wrote:
>
> > You mean like the script I posted at:
> > http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman
>
>     You forgot the .htm after that: http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm
>
> --
> W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
>   http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dale at Newfield.org  Thu Nov 29 08:42:05 2001
From: Dale at Newfield.org (Dale Newfield)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:42:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list
 installations
In-Reply-To: <22917.1007019414@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.40.0111290241110.9556-100000@adder.cs.Virginia.EDU>

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:
> [S]o I mail them.  No trust models required other than the fact that
> I'm implicitly exposing the tarballs en-route to interception, and
> thus the password/membership base as well.  Well, that would be a
> problem except that the root account on that box delivers to a local
> mbox which I collect over an IMAP-SSL connection (the wonders of
> fetchmail).
>
> So, I get a decent trust model *and* distribution.


---
Dale Newfield <Dale at Newfield.org>

"My country, right or wrong" is not a cogent argument.
It is one step away from "I was only following orders."




From Dale at Newfield.org  Thu Nov 29 08:44:16 2001
From: Dale at Newfield.org (Dale Newfield)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:44:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Backing up Mailman list
 installations
In-Reply-To: <22917.1007019414@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.4.40.0111290242170.9556-100000@adder.cs.Virginia.EDU>

Sorry for this double intrusion, but I must apologize for the first
unintentional one.  I had intended to cancel that composition instead of
sending it--sorry for filling your mailboxes with messages empty of
content.

-Dale Newfield
 Dale at Newfield.org




From PPP at 12move.nl  Thu Nov 29 14:51:27 2001
From: PPP at 12move.nl (PPP)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:51:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to open
Message-ID: <000801c178dc$f210a580$dfa8f1c3@nl>

I'm having difficulty opening the mailman setup file could you please tell me how?
Phil.
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From tgrace at thestar.ca  Thu Nov 29 17:25:59 2001
From: tgrace at thestar.ca (Grace, Terry)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 11:25:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: Output from "cron" command
Message-ID: <B3AA75A19260D3118F3B00902798992B04442C6A@mail2.thestar.ca>

I'm running 2.0.6

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Ward [mailto:gward at mems-exchange.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 9:56 AM
To: tgrace at tgrace.com
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: Output from "cron" command


On 27 November 2001, Grace, Terry said:
> Anyone have any idea why I started getting these during the daily digest
run
> and/or how to fix? Thanks for any help.
> 
[...]
>   File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in Present
>     lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs())
> ValueError: unsupported format character '
> ' (0xd)

Sound like a combination of a bad footer or header template and a bug in
Mailman that doesn't handle that bad template very well.  ISTR something
like this being fixed in a recent Mailman release; which version are you
running?

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org
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From philip.tellis at iname.com  Thu Nov 29 19:54:24 2001
From: philip.tellis at iname.com (Philip S Tellis)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:24:24 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for maillist, namazu for search
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0111300021480.898-100000@tae.tellis.home>

Just thought I'd point you'll to something I've done.  While not
completely integrated yet, I've got a preliminary system where mailman
is used as the mailing list system, and namazu is used to index and
search the archives.

You can see it at work at
http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/linuxers/
and
http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/life/

If you think it's a good idea, and useful, I could tell you how I did
it.

Am still working on getting automatic index updates everytime the
archive is updated.

Philip

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From tchung at pasadena.oao.com  Thu Nov 29 23:23:01 2001
From: tchung at pasadena.oao.com (Chung, Thomas)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:23:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Headers
Message-ID: <63F998403CCDD3119F0D00A0C99834F0E04961@mail.pasadena.oao.com>

How do I remove following mail headers?

X-BeenThere
X-Mailman-Version
List-Help
List-Post
List-Subscribe
List-Id
List-Unsubscribe
List-Archive

Thank you

Thomas Chung (tchung at pasadena.oao.com)



From galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org  Thu Nov 29 23:31:41 2001
From: galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org (George Galang)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 17:31:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing and bouncing
In-Reply-To: <20011129.DMf.67637700@www.webbgroup.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111291731190.1445-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Joel Webb wrote:

> Does anybody know where I could get some documentation on how to fix
> a bouncing problem.
> 
> It looks like every address except my own personal domain addresses
> are being bounced.

That is exactly the problem I am having.  I haven't gotten an answer 
yet.

-- 
George Galang - 9803004






From joel at webbgroup.net  Thu Nov 29 23:36:02 2001
From: joel at webbgroup.net (Joel Webb)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 22:36:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing and bouncing
Message-ID: <20011129.lni.37589200@www.webbgroup.net>

FOund out what it is.

Please make sure your relaying is enabled for your localhost.localdomain. and also
make sure your relaying is enabled for 127.0.0.1

Check it out in the /etc/mail/access file

George Galang (galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org) wrote*:
>
>On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Joel Webb wrote:
>
>> Does anybody know where I could get some documentation on how to fix
>> a bouncing problem.
>>
>> It looks like every address except my own personal domain addresses
>> are being bounced.
>
>That is exactly the problem I am having.  I haven't gotten an answer
>yet.
>
>
>
--
Respectfully,

Joel Webb
WebbGroup Network Systems LLC
www.webbgroup.net
336.841.7241





From jkenton at iastate.edu  Thu Nov 29 23:53:17 2001
From: jkenton at iastate.edu (Jeffrey M. Kenton)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:53:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dumping Archived Mail / Upgrading to 2.0.8
Message-ID: <p0501040fb82c67593e4c@[129.186.123.32]>

Hello.

If I want to dump the old mail archives from a list, is there an easy way?

Do I need to re-run a script to get the web interface to indicate 
that there is no archive anymoe?

On another front, some people have asked recently about upgrading. I 
upgraded from 2.0.6 to 2.0.8 by downloading the source and compiling 
anew and installing. Zero problems.

Take care.

Jeff
-- 
____________________________________________________________
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N058A Lagomarcino                        jkenton at iastate.edu
Ames, IA 50011                                  515 294 0228

    "Security is a process, not a product." - Bruce Schneier



From jonc at nc.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 03:59:11 2001
From: jonc at nc.rr.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:59:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for maillist, namazu for search
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0111300021480.898-100000@tae.tellis.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0111300021480.898-100000@tae.tellis.home>
Message-ID: <01112921591102.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>

Looks cool.  How did you do it, and what are the current problems with the 
way it's setup/working?

Jon

On Thursday 29 November 2001 13:54, Philip S Tellis wrote:
> Just thought I'd point you'll to something I've done.  While not
> completely integrated yet, I've got a preliminary system where mailman
> is used as the mailing list system, and namazu is used to index and
> search the archives.
>
> You can see it at work at
> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/linuxers/
> and
> http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/search/life/
>
> If you think it's a good idea, and useful, I could tell you how I did
> it.
>
> Am still working on getting automatic index updates everytime the
> archive is updated.
>
> Philip



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov 30 05:32:35 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:32:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for maillist, namazu for search 
In-Reply-To: Message from Philip S Tellis <philip.tellis@iname.com> 
   of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:24:24 +0530." <Pine.LNX.4.30.0111300021480.898-100000@tae.tellis.home> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0111300021480.898-100000@tae.tellis.home> 
Message-ID: <17452.1007094755@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:24:24 +0530 (IST) 
Philip S Tellis <Philip> wrote:

> Just thought I'd point you'll to something I've done.  While not
> completely integrated yet, I've got a preliminary system where
> mailman is used as the mailing list system, and namazu is used to
> index and search the archives.

Even better would be to document it on the Mailman FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index

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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov 30 05:33:35 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:33:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Chung, Thomas" <tchung@pasadena.oao.com> 
   of "Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:23:01 PST." <63F998403CCDD3119F0D00A0C99834F0E04961@mail.pasadena.oao.com> 
References: <63F998403CCDD3119F0D00A0C99834F0E04961@mail.pasadena.oao.com> 
Message-ID: <17478.1007094815@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001 14:23:01 -0800 
Thomas Chung <Chung> wrote:

> How do I remove following mail headers?  

FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp

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J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From firman at rogershsa.com  Fri Nov 30 06:40:44 2001
From: firman at rogershsa.com (Andy Firman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 20:40:44 -0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install on RH7.2
Message-ID: <NFBBLGJAKLHLJOKEHNJFCENGDAAA.firman@rogershsa.com>

Trying to install on RH7.2 and I am a beginner.
Follow all directions exactly except when
it says to make sure /home/mailman has
the setgid bit set (I have NO clue what that means)

When I do ./configure I get this error:

error: no acceptable cc found in $path

please help



From dan at ssc.com  Fri Nov 30 06:50:37 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:50:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install on RH7.2
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLGJAKLHLJOKEHNJFCENGDAAA.firman@rogershsa.com>
References: <NFBBLGJAKLHLJOKEHNJFCENGDAAA.firman@rogershsa.com>
Message-ID: <20011129215037.A3862@ssc.com>

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 08:40:44PM -0900, Andy Firman wrote:
> Trying to install on RH7.2 and I am a beginner.
> Follow all directions exactly except when
> it says to make sure /home/mailman has
> the setgid bit set (I have NO clue what that means)
> 
> When I do ./configure I get this error:
> 
> error: no acceptable cc found in $path
> 
> please help
> 


Sounds like you need to install the C compiler. 

What happens if you type

gcc -v

??

If you get "command not found" you're certainly missing
the C compiler, and probably the rest of the baggage needed
to compile programs.


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From john at office.naver.co.id  Fri Nov 30 07:38:25 2001
From: john at office.naver.co.id (John Indra)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:38:25 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix + mysql + mailman
Message-ID: <20011130133825.A2562@office.naver.co.id>

Hi all...

I am very new to Mailman.

I just finished setting up a machine to be a mailhub. The MTA is postfix.

This machine will be a mailhub for a number of domains. After careful
planning, I decide to use MySQL to serve the postfix alias and such.
I have succeeded in configuring postfix to serve all virtual hosts I have.
Now I need a mailing list for each of that hosts. Can anyone direct me to a
HOWTO or FAQ that I can read to achieve this?

Here's my postfix setup...

main.cf:
relay_domains = $mydestination, $transport_maps
transport_maps = mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/transport.cf
virtual_gid_maps = mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/ids.cf
virtual_mailbox_base = /home/mail
virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/aliases.cf
virtual_uid_maps = mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/ids.cf

aliases.cf:
user = postfix
password = postfix
dbname = mail
table = aliases
select_field = maildir
where_field = alias
hosts = localhost

ids.cf:
user = postfix
password = postfix
dbname = mail
table = aliases
select_field = uid
where_field = alias
hosts = localhost

transport.cf:
user = postfix
password = postfix
dbname = mail
table = transport
select_field = transport
where_field = domain
hosts = localhost

The content of database "mail" in MySQL:

table "aliases":
+------+----------------+-------------------------+
| uid  | alias          | maildir                 |
+------+----------------+-------------------------+
| 1100 | john at ysl.or.id | ysl.or.id/john/Maildir/ |
| 1100 | eri at ysl.or.id  | ysl.or.id/eri/Maildir/  |
+------+----------------+-------------------------+

table "transport":
+-----------+-----------+
| domain    | transport |
+-----------+-----------+
| ysl.or.id | virtual:  |
+-----------+-----------+

Everything with postfix works like a charm.

Now I have installed Mailman 2.0.8, following the INSTALL file, and
evrything's great. Now... the question... how do I setup a mailing list for
ysl.or.id (having in mind that ysl.or.id is a virtual domain and the machine
running postfix hostname's completely not related to ysl.or.id at anyway...)

tq

/john
"I go, I fight, and I win!"




From jmeurer at gmx.de  Fri Nov 30 08:49:31 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:49:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrate mailman from shell
Message-ID: <20011130084931.A523@testsystem.server0.de>

Hello,
Is there a way to configure mailman completely from the shell?
It don't has to be compfortable, it only is for scripts etc...
I've heard somewhere that it's possible.
The cgi-bin-scripts also only can execute probrams, he?
Is there a howto for administrate and configure mailman from
the shell? If not, can anyone list me all commandlines?
As compensation then I will write a howto.

Thanks
   Jonas

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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Nov 30 09:01:58 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:01:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Administrate mailman from shell
In-Reply-To: Message from Jonas Meurer <jmeurer@gmx.de> 
   of "Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:49:31 +0100." <20011130084931.A523@testsystem.server0.de> 
References: <20011130084931.A523@testsystem.server0.de> 
Message-ID: <21123.1007107318@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:49:31 +0100 
Jonas Meurer <jmeurer at gmx.de> wrote:

> Is there a way to configure mailman completely from the
> shell?  

Yes.  ~/bin/with_list.  Knowledge of Python and Mailman internals is
required.  See the list archives for examples.  Please drop your
findings in the FAQ:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=home

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---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 11:45:40 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:45:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Administrate mailman from shell
In-Reply-To: <20011130084931.A523@testsystem.server0.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011130104349.0301f008@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 08:49 30/11/2001 +0100, Jonas Meurer wrote:
>Hello,
>Is there a way to configure mailman completely from the shell?
>It don't has to be compfortable, it only is for scripts etc...
>I've heard somewhere that it's possible.
>The cgi-bin-scripts also only can execute probrams, he?
>Is there a howto for administrate and configure mailman from
>the shell? If not, can anyone list me all commandlines?
>As compensation then I will write a howto.
>
>Thanks
>    Jonas

You could try reviewing the function of scripts in $prefix/bin; execute 
them with the -h option to find out what they do. For instance, you can use 
the $prefix/bin/config_list to configure your lists.




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Nov 30 12:57:45 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 11:57:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Do you use the Mailman-htdig integration patches?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011130113639.0301f008@pop.ftel.co.uk>

Having posted Mailman-htdig integration patches on sourceforge and 
subsequently maintained them I am interested in finding out how many sites 
have adopted the patches and want to continue using them. The patches I'm 
referring to are:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=103&atid=300103

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=103&atid=300103

and their earlier incarnations 401669/401670:

I'm asking for two reasons:

1. to gauge the likely demand for MM 2.1 compatible version of the patch 
and how urgently it is needed. btw: I've got a MM 2.1a3 compatible version 
of the patches about to be tested and hope to post them on sourceforge next 
week.

2. to see if there is sufficient demand for the patch being integrated with 
the main development trunk of MM. If enough users say they want it then 
presumably the primary MM developers will consider a request to fold the 
patch into the main development line post the MM 2.1 release. My motives 
here are fairly selfish in that I'd like to avoid having to redevelop and 
test the patch again for the next major MM release after 2.1

Reply off list would probably be appropriate. I will collate the responses 
and post to the list a summary of the interest expressed.

Thanks

Richard




From abuccel at uncoma.edu.ar  Fri Nov 30 13:04:44 2001
From: abuccel at uncoma.edu.ar (Agustina Buccella)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:04:44 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20011130084449.009fd750@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>

I installed mailman in Suse 7.1 with sendmail 8.10.2. When I confirm my 
subscription to my "probandolista" list  I get the following mail delivery:

----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd probandolista"... Service unavailable

I configured the /etc/mail/aliases with the following options:

probandolista:           "|/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper post probandolista"
probandolista-admin:     "|/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner probandolista"
probandolista-request:   "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd probandolista"
probandolista-owner:     probandolista-admin

and the /etc/smrsh directory:

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           25 Nov 28 15:40 wrapper -> 
/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper*

Any idea?
Thanks!!





From david at gof.se  Fri Nov 30 13:54:11 2001
From: david at gof.se (David)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail reposting over and over again...HELP
In-Reply-To: <E169hM9-0008OU-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B82D4003.A70%david@gof.se>

Dear gurus,

I upgraded from 2.0.5 to 2.0.8 yesterday. Stopped Postfix and upgraded over
the current version. No problems. But I have two e-mails posted with 2.0.5
that are sent over and over again to users at one domain. @home.se

How can I stop the e-mails from reposting. I got approx 10 users getting a
lot of mail right now. Please post to me in person, because I'm on the
digest. I include the headers.

TIA,
 /David

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From jmeurer at gmx.de  Fri Nov 30 14:50:42 2001
From: jmeurer at gmx.de (Jonas Meurer)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:50:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Administrate mailman from shell
In-Reply-To: <21123.1007107318@kanga.nu>
References: <20011130084931.A523@testsystem.server0.de> <21123.1007107318@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20011130145042.A2150@testsystem.server0.de>

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:01:58AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Yes.  ~/bin/with_list.  Knowledge of Python and Mailman internals is
> required.  See the list archives for examples.  Please drop your
> findings in the FAQ:
>   http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=home

Ok, I'll this. It would be fine if there was an extra topic
'configure mailman from shell' or s.th. like this.
But first I have to try all these sripts like add_members,
arch, config_list, dumpdb, newlist, rmlist, update, version,
withlist, ....

Thanks
   Jonas

-- 
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Unix makes everything possible, but nothing too easy.



From galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org  Fri Nov 30 15:49:13 2001
From: galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org (George Galang)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:49:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list password (not individual)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111300948530.9770-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>

Is there a way to recover a list password if it is forgotten?

-- 
George Galang - 9803004





From ste at research.bell-labs.com  Fri Nov 30 16:40:29 2001
From: ste at research.bell-labs.com (Shaun Erickson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:40:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of members on each page
References: <200111282331.PAA14416@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <3C07A86D.764AEDB9@research.bell-labs.com>

Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>>> "B" == Bob  <bob at nleaudio.com> writes:
> > >
> > >     B> So how do you change it for a list already created?  Export the
> > >     B> config file, mess with it, then re-import?
> > >
> > > Make bin/withlist your best friend! :)
> >
> > Could you describe exactly how to do this, please - perhaps even add it
> > to the FAQ? It would be of great help to those of us who don't know, nor
> > have the time to learn, python. Thanks.
> 
> Didn't even bother to look at bin/withlist, did you?
> 
> There's a huge example right at the beginning of the script.

Actually, I did look at it, and perhaps I'm clueless, but it made no
sense to me, not knowing perl or python, so I asked for help. Thanks for
your input.

	-ste
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From dan at ssc.com  Fri Nov 30 17:36:36 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:36:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20011130084449.009fd750@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20011130084449.009fd750@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar>
Message-ID: <20011130083636.B20009@ssc.com>

On Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 09:04:44AM -0300, Agustina Buccella wrote:
> 
> I installed mailman in Suse 7.1 with sendmail 8.10.2. When I confirm my 
> subscription to my "probandolista" list  I get the following mail delivery:
> 
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 5.0.0 "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd probandolista"... Service unavailable
> 
> I configured the /etc/mail/aliases with the following options:
> 
> probandolista:           "|/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper post probandolista"
> probandolista-admin:     "|/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner 
> probandolista"
> probandolista-request:   "|/etc/smrsh/wrapper mailcmd probandolista"
> probandolista-owner:     probandolista-admin
> 
> and the /etc/smrsh directory:
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           25 Nov 28 15:40 wrapper -> 
> /usr/mailman/mail/wrapper*
> 
> Any idea?
> Thanks!!

The same idea that works a good part of the time for anything odd.
Search google.com.

http://www.google.com

key in 

  smrsh sendmail

voila!  10,400 results.  On the first page, 

http://www.linuxdoc.org/LDP/solrhe/Securing-Optimizing-Linux-RH-Edition-v1.3/chap22sec182.html

more than you ever want to know about smrsh.  Other links also
may have information.

The Python.org website has a mailing list search engine which nets
270 hits on "smrsh", mostly to mailman-users.   The first says:

> Try putting a symlink in your /etc/smrsh directory pointing to wrapper:

> cd /etc/smrsh
> ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper


Finally, did you try 

  man smrsh

??

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From andy at latke.net  Fri Nov 30 18:01:44 2001
From: andy at latke.net (Andy Peters)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 10:01:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install on RH7.2
In-Reply-To: <NFBBLGJAKLHLJOKEHNJFCENGDAAA.firman@rogershsa.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111300957590.1546-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Andy Firman wrote:

> Trying to install on RH7.2 and I am a beginner.
>
> When I do ./configure I get this error:
>
> error: no acceptable cc found in $path

When you installed RedHat, did you choose to install "everything" or did
you select individual packages?  If you selected individual packages, did
you install the "Development" stuff?  If not, you might not have
installed gcc (the C compiler).

--a




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov 30 23:36:52 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:36:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list password (not individual)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0111300948530.9770-100000@faranth.georgegalang.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <029f01c179ef$82291680$0b04010a@JCARNES>

The admin password for the list is encoded so while you can see it, you
can't tell what it is (unless you run a cracker program against).  You can
reset it by logging in via the site password (which you can set via the
~mailman/bin/mmsitepass command).

Jon
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Galang" <galangg at georgegalang.dyndns.org>
To: "Mailman User list" <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:49 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list password (not individual)


>
> Is there a way to recover a list password if it is forgotten?
>
> --
> George Galang - 9803004
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jonc at haht.com  Fri Nov 30 23:39:21 2001
From: jonc at haht.com (Jon Carnes)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 17:39:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
References: <5.0.2.1.1.20011130084449.009fd750@pop3.uncoma.edu.ar> <20011130083636.B20009@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <02ad01c179ef$db058040$0b04010a@JCARNES>

Ahh!  Teach a man to fish!
> 
> http://www.google.com
> 





From pedrovivancos at wanadoo.es  Fri Nov 30 10:38:35 2001
From: pedrovivancos at wanadoo.es (Pedro J. Vivancos)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 09:38:35 +0000 (Hora estándar GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <3C07539B.00001A.00122@antorcha.KURNIKOVA>



    Hello,



    I'd like to know if this program has been executed in a Windows
operating system.



    Thank you very much and have a nice day!
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From philip.tellis at iname.com  Fri Nov 30 09:43:40 2001
From: philip.tellis at iname.com (Philip S Tellis)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:13:40 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman for maillist, namazu for search
In-Reply-To: <01112921591102.00982@anncons.nc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0111301346420.883-100000@tae.tellis.home>

Sometime on Nov 29, Jon Carnes assembled some asciibets to say:

> Looks cool.  How did you do it, and what are the current problems
> with the way it's setup/working?

How I did it:

Namazu

There's this product called namazu (http://www.namazu.org/).  It's a
search engine that uses a full text index.  Can index local paths, not
remote paths.

Put the namazu cgi in the mailman/cgi-bin/ directory, and called it
search.  Also had to hack namazu a bit to get it to read the index from
the PATH_INFO from the url (/linuxers/, /life/, etc.).

Also changed the namazu templates to look like mailman's listinfo pages.

The last thing was to index the pages.

So far, no changes were required to mailman, but the products aren't
fully integrated yet.

The only thing that isn't done is automatic reindexing everytime a new
message is added.  I thought it may make sense to do the reindexing at
the same time that a new archive is created (ie, weekly or monthly), but
couldn't find the place to put that.

The next best idea I had was to put it the reindexing as a cron job.
Problem here is that there is a chance that the reindexer would run
while a new message was only partially written to disk.


Mailman

I also had to add either a link to the search page on the listinfo page,
and a search box or link on the archive pages.  While this isn't up on
the urls yet, it is done by hacking Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py.

The real problem is getting the link to show up only on pages that have
actually been indexed.


How this can be fully integrated

A config variable stating whether the list needs to be indexed for
searching, and based on that, these links can be written to the archive
pages.  The reindexer can be run through mailman or through cron,
depending on what others think is a better solution.

Philip

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From rex at evilsizor.com  Fri Nov 30 21:51:47 2001
From: rex at evilsizor.com (Rex Evilsizor)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 14:51:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailing list
Message-ID: <3C07F163.4D939D11@evilsizor.com>

I am interested in a mailing list program that will allow someone to
enter their email address to automatically receive my newsletter and any
downloads that they might want.

Will this program do this?

Rex Evilsizor




From david.johnson at hamptonu.edu  Fri Nov 30 19:53:25 2001
From: david.johnson at hamptonu.edu (Johnson David R)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:53:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <EEBBE9560A8BD31185450090279A6CE30593ACC9@washington.hamptonu.edu>

How do i get lists to show publicly?

I have just upgraded to 2.0.8 and all my lists are no longer oublicly
available? what happened?