From Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE  Thu Feb  1 12:01:06 2001
From: Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE (Florian Weimer)
Date: 01 Feb 2001 12:01:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Speeding up delivery
In-Reply-To: <200101312200.OAA08297@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200101312200.OAA08297@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <tg3ddy3bwt.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>

Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.west.sun.com> writes:

> > My mailer (Exim) delivers a message
> > for multiple recipients sequentially.  Of course, this is more
> > efficient in terms of network usage, but processing several batches in
> > parallel is faster (and network bandwidth isn't an issue here).
> 
> Oh, do you mean "simultaneous batches"?

Yes, I do.

> If your Python is built with threads, you can use mm_cfg's
> MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS.  I've never tried it.  As with everything you
> can set in mm_cfg, see Defaults.py for documentation, and set it in
> mm_cfg.py if you decide to try it.

Thanks.  It's sufficient to set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to a lower value in my
setup, I think.  This should have almost the same effect.



From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb  1 09:30:09 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 01:30:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two questions
Message-ID: <3A791E90.6B2D7AC5@pcraft.com>

    The first one I posted a few days back and got no reply:

    1) Mass Subscribing:
       When mass subscribing through the web interface, mailman sends
       out one single 'Subscribe Successful' for each email subscribing.

       Meaning, if I put in 100 emails to be subscribed, I will also
       receive 100 emails telling me such and such successfully
       subscribed (each one with a different email of course).  Is there

       any way to have mailman send out ONE email containing all emails?

       Just like it displays all the emails at the top of the page after

       subscribing.


    2) Stale Locks
       Every once in a while I'll check on the locks directory and find
       a whole bunch of them in there, all stale (anywhere from a few
       hours, days, sometimes weeks (if I don't check it for a while).
       Why are these becoming stale?  And, does anyone have some
       intelligent way of dealing with this?  Perhaps a script (through
       a crontask) that runs every hour, checking for stale locks (say
       locks that are older than one hour), and clear them?  If not I'll

       probably write a perl script or something to that nature.  I just

       don't want to reinvent the wheel.

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From rachel at intertrader.com  Thu Feb  1 13:14:11 2001
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:14:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove badly formed email address from list
Message-ID: <1777108188.981029651@[10.0.0.5]>

I've got a user on one of my lists who's subscribed himself with the email 
address with a form of "myname at home"@isp.co.uk.

Of course, this address is completely undeliverable, and every mail out to 
the list bounces. So I'd like to remove this guy. But I can't figure out 
how!

If I deselect him from the web interface, mailman complains that the user 
doesn't exist. Same if I try it via the mail interface.

I've tried every combination of quotes and escapes I can think of.

So any ideas, anyone?

Thanks
Rachel





From donna at flyworldny.com  Thu Feb  1 16:51:56 2001
From: donna at flyworldny.com (donna)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:51:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] e-mail list
Message-ID: <00b601c08c66$eb89bfc0$574a35d8@net.donna>

Hi 
I would like to know if your company provides e-mail lists.
I am looking for a list of travelers. I am a travel agent looking to advertise to them.
Please advise as soon as possable.
Thank You,
Donna at flyworldny.com

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From djoek at pi.be  Thu Feb  1 15:08:39 2001
From: djoek at pi.be (Kris 'dJOEk' Vandecruys,,,)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 15:08:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
Message-ID: <3A796DE7.5050106@pi.be>

hi,
i did a by-the-README/INSTALL install of mailman 2.0.1 and i get this
error in my www.elog

[Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
/opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed
[Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] [client 213.224.83.70] Premature end
of script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

i DID set the mail-gid and cgi-gid i found in httpd.conf and sendmail.cf

my syslog does not show any message of a wrong gid




can anyone help ?
tnx
Kris




From S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk  Thu Feb  1 12:40:23 2001
From: S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk (Steve Lay)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:40:23 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Private archives with Mhonarc
Message-ID: <a05001901b69ef0d2cef1@[131.111.152.194]>

I'm looking into the possibility of using Mhonarc as an archiving solution
for mailman lists.  For public lists I can see three basic approaches:

(i) Setting the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER with a suitable script (with
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL pointing to the appropriate place).  Can be a bit tricky
to set up by the looks of it.

(ii) Using a separate cron job - but I worry that this will execute while
the mbox is being added to and that some messages will become truncated (or
worse).  (Can you lock/unlock a mailman list from a non-python script?)

(iii) Subscribing a special archiver program to each list (something I've
seen mentioned by others).

Although I haven't done any of the above yet I think I can see how to.

The big problem seems to be the private list archives.  The "private"
program used by mailman looks like it could be fooled into using archives
generated by mhonarc but it would break where attachments are concerned
because the "content_type" function in prrivate.py will only return
"text/plain" or "text/html" (plus the auto-gzip logic which just doesn't
seem to work for me anyway).

Here are my ideas:

(A) Fix up private.py to return the correct content type, either by adding
a bunch more statements to the "content_type" function (to take care of the
obvious ones: pdf, doc, etc..) or by searching an external mime
configuration file (such as my Apache mime.types file).

(B) Extract the member list (with passwords!) and build a .htaccess file
from a cron job to allow web-server authentication.  (Messy for larger
lists but arguably these are not "private" anyway.)  Don't know how to do
the fist bit though, list_members doesn't output passwords does it?

(C) Randomly assign a password for the whole list which changes on some
fixed period and is distributed automatically to the list.  This is
possibly the simplest but people have enough passwords to remember already
so it may not be popular with users.

If anybody has done this, or something like it, I'd be very interested to
hear.  I've seen the examples on www.kanga.nu, and very good it looks too,
but these are all public.

Thanks for your help.

Steve



From djoek at pi.be  Thu Feb  1 14:11:55 2001
From: djoek at pi.be (Kris 'dJOEk' Vandecruys,,,)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:11:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
Message-ID: <3A79609B.1050701@pi.be>

hi,
i did a by-the-README/INSTALL install of mailman 2.0.1 and i get this 
error in my www.elog

[Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of 
/opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed
[Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] [client 213.224.83.70] Premature end 
of script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin


can anyone help ?
tnx
Kris




From rarnold at enterasys.com  Thu Feb  1 21:27:45 2001
From: rarnold at enterasys.com (Arnold, Richard (Rich))
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:27:45 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header and footer issues
Message-ID: <A1B4B5D2365CD411BF700008C733CDB401D34635@roch-exc2.ctron.com>


I am trying to add a standard header and footer to my lists with mailman but
Exchange does not translate those headers. Is there a way to add a header
and footer as plain text to the message?

Rich A


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From lindsey at mallorn.com  Thu Feb  1 21:47:44 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:47:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove badly formed email address from list
In-Reply-To: <1777108188.981029651@[10.0.0.5]>; from rachel@intertrader.com on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 12:14:11PM +0000
References: <1777108188.981029651@[10.0.0.5]>
Message-ID: <20010201144744.P16914@mallorn.com>

> I've got a user on one of my lists who's subscribed himself with the email 
> address with a form of "myname at home"@isp.co.uk.
> 
> Of course, this address is completely undeliverable, and every mail out to 
> the list bounces. So I'd like to remove this guy. But I can't figure out 
> how!

It *is* a valid RFC 822 address.  Unfortunately, Mailman doesn't work well
with quoted addresses, especially those containing whitespace (it often
breaks things up based on white space, so something like 

   "Bobo the emu of luv"@example.com

will get split into 5 parts).

> If I deselect him from the web interface, mailman complains that the user 
> doesn't exist. Same if I try it via the mail interface.
> 
> I've tried every combination of quotes and escapes I can think of.

I had no problems removing entries like this with $PREFIX/bin/remove_members.
Does it give you an error?

Chris



From mentor at alb-net.com  Thu Feb  1 22:22:52 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:22:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] minor archive problem after upgrade..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10101230838561.25113-100000@babu.pcisys.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0102011615570.1319-100000@alb-net.com>

I think it is true that the "reply_goes_to_list" decides(indirectly) if the
sender's e-mail is displayed in the archives or the list e-mail addresses [as
described below]. Actually, my experiment showed that if the Reply-To:
field is present in the messages it is used to set the addresses in the
archives. Given that "reply_goes_to_list" will set Reply-To: to list's
address, that is the address to show up in the archives.

Question: Is this as per design? My understanding is that the
"reply_goes_to_list" should not be the deciding maker on whether sender's
e-mail address shows in the archives or not. There are other setting to
decide about this.

Any comments?!

thanks,
Mentor

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, at 08:42, D.J. Atkinson wrote:
> I'd guess it's related to the setting of "reply_goes_to_list"  [General
> Options page of the list admin interface, described as "Where are replies
> to list messages directed?"] If this is set so that replies default to the
> sender, the archive shows the sender's email address.  If the default
> reply goes to the list, the archive shows the list address.  It seemed
> pretty consistent across the lists I checked.
>
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Phydeaux wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, at 04:42, Michael Dunston wrote:
> > > I recently upgraded both Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0) and Python (1.42 -> 2.0)
> > > and just noticed that the HTML archives are being created differently.
> > >
> > > In the old system, the individual HTML archived messages listed the
> > > poster's name and email address at the top of the page.  For all messages
> > > after the upgrade, this is now being created as the poster's name with
> > > the list address (instead of the user's email).
> > >
> > >     it was: Tom Smith tsmith at domain.com
> > >     now is: Tom Smith list at listaddress.com
> > >
> > > Is this normal?  Can anyone offer any insight into this?   Thanks in
> > > advance for any enlightenment.
> >
> >IMHO this is NOT just an upgrade problem...
> >
> >I have the same problem on one of my lists, and I am using Python 2.0
> >and initially installed Mailman 2.0 and then upgraded to 2.01. Only one
> >of my numerous lists suffers from this problem.  I tried wiping out the
> >archives and each time they get recreated with the same problem.
> >
> >I just tried creating a new, test, list and it seems to function fine (I
> >used the default options). Does anyone have any idea what is wrong here?
> >
> >reb
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> --
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> Visit my web page at http://www.pcisys.net/~dj
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Thu Feb  1 23:30:29 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:30:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
Message-ID: <200102012228.OAA18215@utopia.west.sun.com>

> hi,
> i did a by-the-README/INSTALL install of mailman 2.0.1 and i get this
> error in my www.elog
> 
> [Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed

So, the completely-obvious questions are:

is it executable?  Is it executable by the user your web server runs
CGIs as?





From theduke at pandora.be  Thu Feb  1 23:39:31 2001
From: theduke at pandora.be (Kris 'dJOEk' Vandecruys)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:39:31 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
In-Reply-To: <200102012228.OAA18215@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102012329230.816-100000@wormhole>

On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:

> 
> > hi,
> > i did a by-the-README/INSTALL install of mailman 2.0.1 and i get this
> > error in my www.elog
> > 
> > [Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> > /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed
> 
> So, the completely-obvious questions are:
> 
> is it executable?  Is it executable by the user your web server runs
> CGIs as?
> 
> 


drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  1 22:58 .
drwxrwsr-x   18 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  1 22:58 ..
-rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30794 Feb  1 22:58 admin
and the same for the other cgis

apache runs em as nobody, and i ./configured mailman with the
correct mail-gid and cgi-gid (got them out of sendmail.cf and httpd.conf
as described)

Everything works, except the web frontend... 

I get a server error 500

this is the error in my elog:
[Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
/opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo failed
[Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] [client 213.224.83.70] Premature end of
script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo

i tried taking the s-bit off the cgis, and then i get a different error:
(so that the scripts are run as nobody, not as mailman)
the page gives me 
1. Bug in mailman blah blah
from .elog -> can't write to error
changes perms of logs/error to 777 (temporary) 
2. Bug in mailman blah bla
from logs/errors -> can't read write config.db
course not, the thing runs as nobody and config.db is 
-rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      2931 Feb  1 23:13 config.db

I got it sorta running after a lot of shifting perms, but then the mail
part doesn't work anymore...

i thought about setting apache's gid to mailman but that would break the
other cgis, right ?

frankly i'm at a loss...
it's probably something silly that i'm overlooking, but a couple of
friends which also know what they are doing can't figure it out either

any suggestions are highly appreciated 

bye,
Kris






From disser at sdd.hp.com  Fri Feb  2 01:04:03 2001
From: disser at sdd.hp.com (Dave Disser)
Date: 01 Feb 2001 16:04:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance
Message-ID: <r1xn1c6hrws.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>

I just discovered/downloaded/installed mailman yesterday, and am
getting horrible performance with it, so I hope this is an easy one.

Any mailman operation takes > 5 secs; even bin/list_lists takes 7
secs.  Is it normal for it to take so long?  I use list_lists as an
example because I want to leave the webserver out of the equation.
My server machine is a 4-way K series with gobs of RAM, so hardware
doesn't appear to be lacking.  Perhaps my copy of python is not
optimally built?  Any help someone can offer would be appreciated.

$ uname -srm
HP-UX B.10.20 9000/849

$ python
Python 1.6 (#13, Feb  1 2001, 14:46:49) [C] on hp-uxB
Copyright (c) 1995-2000 Corporation for National Research Initiatives.
All Rights Reserved.
Copyright (c) 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam.
All Rights Reserved.
>>> 

$ profile.py list_lists | grep -v 0\\.000                                    <
1 matching mailing lists found:
    Mailman-test - [no description available]
         1765 function calls (1646 primitive calls) in 7.050 CPU seconds

   Ordered by: standard name

   ncalls  tottime  percall  cumtime  percall filename:lineno(function)
      3/1    0.050    0.017    7.050    7.050 <string>:1(?)
        1    0.020    0.020    2.240    2.240 Archiver.py:23(?)
        1    0.040    0.040    1.030    1.030 Cookie.py:155(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 Defaults.py:20(?)
        1    0.110    0.110    0.120    0.120 HTMLFormatter.py:18(?)
        1    0.230    0.230    0.360    0.360 HandlerAPI.py:17(?)
        1    0.040    0.040    0.490    0.490 ListAdmin.py:25(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.020    0.020 Logger.py:17(?)
        1    1.570    1.570    6.730    6.730 MailList.py:21(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 MailList.py:862(__load)
        1    0.240    0.240    2.220    2.220 Mailbox.py:18(?)
        1    0.090    0.090    0.090    0.090 Message.py:24(?)
        1    0.060    0.060    1.090    1.090 SecurityManager.py:18(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.030    0.030 StampedLogger.py:17(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 StringIO.py:17(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.040    0.040 Syslog.py:20(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 Utils.py:17(?)
        1    0.430    0.430    3.810    3.810 Utils.py:24(?)
        2    0.010    0.005    0.010    0.005 Utils.py:47(list_exists)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 Utils.py:57(list_names)
        1    0.020    0.020    2.260    2.260 __init__.py:17(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 htmlformat.py:22(?)
        1    0.240    0.240    7.000    7.000 list_lists:39(?)
        1    0.700    0.700    0.700    0.700 mailbox.py:3(?)
        1    0.020    0.020    0.030    0.030 mm_cfg.py:36(?)
        1    0.120    0.120    0.130    0.130 random.py:21(?)
        4    0.010    0.003    0.010    0.003 random.py:75(verify)
        1    0.180    0.180    1.350    1.350 re.py:23(?)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 regsub.py:11(?)
        1    1.010    1.010    1.170    1.170 sre.py:19(?)
      8/2    0.050    0.006    3.240    1.620 sre.py:61(compile)
      9/3    0.160    0.018    3.240    1.080 sre.py:91(_compile)
        1    0.140    0.140    0.150    0.150 sre_compile.py:11(?)
       43    0.070    0.002    0.070    0.002 sre_compile.py:165(_optimize_charset)
     47/6    0.750    0.016    1.190    0.198 sre_compile.py:17(_compile)
        9    0.020    0.002    0.100    0.011 sre_compile.py:229(_compile_info)
      9/6    0.010    0.001    1.270    0.212 sre_compile.py:338(_code)
        3    0.010    0.003    0.010    0.003 sre_constants.py:124(makedict)
        1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 sre_parse.py:11(?)
    72/34    0.050    0.001    0.050    0.001 sre_parse.py:131(getwidth)
        3    0.010    0.003    0.010    0.003 sre_parse.py:204(isname)
     18/9    0.030    0.002    0.340    0.038 sre_parse.py:283(_parse_sub)
     20/9    0.120    0.006    0.330    0.037 sre_parse.py:338(_parse)
        9    0.010    0.001    0.010    0.001 sre_parse.py:69(__init__)
        1    0.080    0.080    0.080    0.080 traceback.py:1(?)


--Dave



From fil at rezo.net  Fri Feb  2 10:51:29 2001
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:51:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] distribution list
Message-ID: <20010202105129.A15237@orwell.bok.net>

Hi everybody

This is about send-only mailing-lists.

Here list is send-only. It has 120 000 subscribers, many addresses bounce, and
many people reply. So properly sorting all these messages is vital. 

* What do I have?
When a mail comes back from subscribers, it can be either a bounce or a
reply. It is usually sent to listname at server. (And that's what I want: I
want sympa to processs all replies.)

Sympa then sorts bounces, and asks the editor to "moderate" the other
messages. I hate it.
The alias in /etc/aliases is
    listname: "| /home/sympa/bin/queue listname"

* What do I want?
I want sympa to send the messages (other than bounces) to the editor (with
some additional headers, why not), so the editor can process them as if they
were sent to her directly (like "reply to the message" should reply to the
sender, not to sympa)

To do this we need a "post" address that is distinct from the "listname"
address, eg 
1   listname: " | /home/sympa/bin/XXXXXXX listname"
2   listname-post: "| /home/sympa/bin/queue listname"

My question: what to put in XXXXX ?  If I put queue it tries to "moderate"
the messages, if I put bouncequeue then I never get the replies.

Or, maybe, this a configuration issue?

config:
        send editorkeyonly


-- Fil




From rachel at intertrader.com  Fri Feb  2 11:21:21 2001
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:21:21 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove badly formed email address from
 list
In-Reply-To: <20010201144744.P16914@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <1856737886.981109281@[10.0.0.5]>

>> I've got a user on one of my lists who's subscribed himself with the
>> email  address with a form of "myname at home"@isp.co.uk.
>>
>> Of course, this address is completely undeliverable, and every mail out
>> to  the list bounces. So I'd like to remove this guy. But I can't figure
>> out  how!
>
> It *is* a valid RFC 822 address.

Is it?! That'll teach me to not read the RFC...

> I had no problems removing entries like this with
> $PREFIX/bin/remove_members. Does it give you an error?

I tried ...

~/bin/remove_members news "myname at home"@isp.co.uk

This came back with a "User `myname at home@isp.co.uk' not found." error.

But then I tried ...

~/bin/remove_members news \"myname at home\"@isp.co.uk

which worked just fine and the user is now history...

Thanks
Rachel







From dynax at kami.vein.hu  Fri Feb  2 11:23:46 2001
From: dynax at kami.vein.hu (Jozsa Kristof)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:23:46 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner (?) probs
Message-ID: <20010202112346.A2438@kami.vein.hu>

Hello,

  I'm a relative new mailman admin with some knowledge to python but
basically zero admin experiences with mailman itself. I've set up a few
(~10) lists with mailman (v 2.0final-1, from deb package) and they seem to
work fine, except one list. This one spams /var/log/mailman/error like this:
--
Feb 02 11:05:01 2001 (7702) Delivery exception: illegal argument type for
built-in operation
Feb 02 11:05:01 2001 (7702) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 41, in process
    footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation
--

..and I have no idea what's going on, or why this list aint work why others
all do. From the users point of view, they send a mail to the list, and
neither the mail arrives to the members of the list, nor they get back any
error. I've found all the sent mails in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles, and
/var/log/mailman/qrunner also grows slowly with such messages repeating:
--
Feb 02 09:19:13 2001 (5157) Exception reading qfile:
/var/lib/mailman/qfiles/edaee586d8eb4a58e59cbc66ccf8e91630f5acd2
EOF read where object expected
Feb 02 09:20:03 2001 (5168) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Feb 02 09:21:03 2001 (5177) Could not acquire qrunner lock
--


I'm running linux 2.2.17 with the openwall patch, mailman 2.0final-1 patched
as well with openwall.py (and as I've stated before, I've a couples of
working lists on the same box).

Please cc me the answer, I'm not a usual member of the mailman-users list.
Thanks much in advance,

Christopher Jozsa 
admin of listserv.vein.hu
-- 
.Digital.Yearning.for.Networked.Assassination.and.Xenocide



From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Fri Feb  2 11:23:56 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 10:23:56 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Speeding up delivery 
In-Reply-To: Message from Florian Weimer <Florian.Weimer@RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE> 
   of "31 Jan 2001 14:45:31 +0100." <tg66iv25tw.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> 
Message-ID: <E14OdNk-00017L-00@rioja.localnet>

Florian.Weimer at RUS.Uni-Stuttgart.DE said:
> My mailer (Exim) delivers a message for multiple recipients
> sequentially. 

As well as the mailman tweaks, you can tell exim to do parallel 
delivery - see the documentation for 'remote_max_parallel' at:-
  http://www.exim.org/exim-html-3.20/doc/html/spec_11.html#SEC333

You can do both of these together - and in fact I do on the exim site 
although the config for that is done by feel rather than testing 
combinations rigorously.  In general you will get 95% of recipients 
delivered fast, and the others will stick for reasons outside your 
control.

	Nigel.
-- 
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From fil at rezo.net  Fri Feb  2 11:45:04 2001
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:45:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: distribution list
In-Reply-To: <20010202105129.A15237@orwell.bok.net>; from fil@rezo.net on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 10:51:29AM +0100
References: <20010202105129.A15237@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <20010202114504.B17819@orwell.bok.net>

@ Fil (fil at rezo.net) :
> Hi everybody
[...]
> The alias in /etc/aliases is
>     listname: "| /home/sympa/bin/queue listname"


ooops !! sorry I meant to send this message to sympa-users, not
mailman-users (I use both).



From nene at nene-home.com  Fri Feb  2 12:10:32 2001
From: nene at nene-home.com (Nene Romanova)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 03:10:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
Message-ID: <000a01c08d08$c3e54050$0200000a@nenehome.com>

I get a error message when I try to install Mailman 2.0,

My system is a 486, 16 megs of ram.
It runs SuSE Linux 6.1.
Python 2.0

I get the following error message,

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
env: python: No such file or directory


Nic Pedersen
System Admin for:
Viking Internet Services www.vikingis.com
Aka Kon www.akakon.com
Red Army of Canada www.redarmy.ca

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From nene at nene-home.com  Fri Feb  2 12:40:14 2001
From: nene at nene-home.com (Nene Romanova)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 03:40:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
Message-ID: <000b01c08d0c$e90e0cf0$0200000a@nenehome.com>

I get a error message when I try to install Mailman 2.0,

My system is a 486, 16 megs of ram.
It runs SuSE Linux 6.1.
Python 2.0

I get the following error message,

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
env: python: No such file or directory


Nic Pedersen
System Admin for:
Viking Internet Services www.vikingis.com
Aka Kon www.akakon.com
Red Army of Canada www.redarmy.ca




From larry at vnlinux.org  Fri Feb  2 14:56:56 2001
From: larry at vnlinux.org (Larry Nguyen)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 07:56:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber stops receiving messages by email
Message-ID: <3A7ABCA8.CDA19C70@vnlinux.org>

Hi all,

Mailman was working fine until yesterday morning I noticed that
message posted to list does not get delivered by mailman to
subscribers' mailboxes, but it did post to the web site.

I read my logs/smtp and it gave:

Feb 01 21:52:02 2001 (891) All recipients refused: host not found
Feb 01 21:52:02 2001 (891) smtp for 15 recips, completed in 0.029
seconds

There are a bunch of lines like these in logs/smtp.

My sendmail works fine.  I can receive messages from everywhere.

All I remember was I did delete some files out of /tmp (not sure if
mailman has any files in /tmp) and setup portsentry.  Now it stops
deliverying messages to users mailboxes.

Any tips?

Thanks, Larry.





From jamest at math.ksu.edu  Fri Feb  2 15:46:42 2001
From: jamest at math.ksu.edu (James Thompson)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 08:46:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102020834190.8389-100000@hobbes>

My last majordomo user has decided to move their lists to
Mailman.  Yea! However they had some questions I couldn't answer.

First, Mailman doesn't seem to allow a user to type 
Approved: Password

as the first line of the mail to the list to bypass the approval by the
administrator.  The user doesn't want to maintain the list of posters that
bypass approval.  So this is holding up the migration of 3 lists.

Is this not supported?

Thanks.
Jamest

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James Thompson    138 Cardwell Hall  Manhattan, Ks   66506    785-532-0561 
Kansas State University                          Department of Mathematics
->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<





From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Feb  2 16:11:14 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:11:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102020834190.8389-100000@hobbes>; from jamest@math.ksu.edu on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 08:46:42AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102020834190.8389-100000@hobbes>
Message-ID: <20010202091114.C30446@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 08:46:42AM -0600, James Thompson wrote:
> First, Mailman doesn't seem to allow a user to type 
> Approved: Password
> 
> as the first line of the mail to the list to bypass the approval by the
> administrator.  The user doesn't want to maintain the list of posters that
> bypass approval.  So this is holding up the migration of 3 lists.
> 
> Is this not supported?

No.  Mailman doesn't use an Approved header, so adding one has no effect.
(Incidentally, what you describe seems like a very ugly, labor-intensive,
insecure, and just plain *wrong* way of allowing multiple people to post
to a moderated list.  I can't see how allowing list members to bypass
moderation could be a Good Thing.  Shame on majordomo!)

To achieve a similar effect in Mailman, go to the "Privacy Options"
page and add the implictly-approved users' addresses to the "Addresses
of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval
requirement" box.  (Yes, I know you said the user doesn't want to maintain
that list.  It should be a more-or-less one-shot deal, though - if the
list of approved posters is changing constantly, I would suspect that
it would be more reasonable to either unmoderate the list or let the
messages be held and apporved manually.)

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From sebados at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  2 16:21:24 2001
From: sebados at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Sebastian?=)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:21:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] phyton
Message-ID: <20010202152124.10441.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Can I install phyton in a cobalt raq3 server?

thanks,

sebastian.

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From dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk  Fri Feb  2 17:01:25 2001
From: dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Hargreaves)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:01:25 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
In-Reply-To: <20010202091114.C30446@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 09:11:14AM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102020834190.8389-100000@hobbes> <20010202091114.C30446@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010202160125.A16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>

On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 09:11:14AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 08:46:42AM -0600, James Thompson wrote:
> > First, Mailman doesn't seem to allow a user to type 
> > Approved: Password
> > 
> > as the first line of the mail to the list to bypass the approval by the
> > administrator.  The user doesn't want to maintain the list of posters that
> > bypass approval.  So this is holding up the migration of 3 lists.
> > 
> > Is this not supported?
> 
> No.  Mailman doesn't use an Approved header, so adding one has no effect.
> (Incidentally, what you describe seems like a very ugly, labor-intensive,
> insecure, and just plain *wrong* way of allowing multiple people to post
> to a moderated list.  I can't see how allowing list members to bypass
> moderation could be a Good Thing.  Shame on majordomo!)

No, this is not the case. Approved headers, while perhaps slightly 
inelegant, are more secure (FSVO "secure") than simply allowing a set of 
posters to post. Anyone can trivially fake a "From" header in an email 
address, whereas with an approved header you need to know the password.

-- 
Dominic Hargreaves | http://dom.magd.ox.ac.uk/
You can get my PGP key from my web site.
"Only two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity, and 
   I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein



From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk  Fri Feb  2 17:33:57 2001
From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:33:57 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI problems and lock files
Message-ID: <006901c08d35$f14ccfe0$2614348f@shu.ac.uk>

Hi, I have recently upgraded to version 2.0.1 of mailman running on Solaris 2.7 with Python 1.5.2.
This seems to work much more efficiently that the old version but every so often I am locked out of the web interface of certain lists. On inspection there appears to be a large amount of lock files in $prefix/locks to do with these particular lists. Removing these lock files allows me back into the lists. Is this problem a feature and are hanging locks purged periodically? Incidentally though I can see a datastamp I can't see a timestamp on these lock files.

Regards

Ray Gardener
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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb  2 20:57:02 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:57:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to remove badly formed email address fromlist
References: <1856737886.981109281@[10.0.0.5]>
Message-ID: <3A7B110E.C4FDBD3A@west.sun.com>


Rachel Willmer wrote:

> I tried ...
> 
> ~/bin/remove_members news "myname at home"@isp.co.uk
> 
> This came back with a "User `myname at home@isp.co.uk' not found." error.

because the shell ate those quotes before they ever got to remove_members.

> But then I tried ...
> 
> ~/bin/remove_members news \"myname at home\"@isp.co.uk

because then the shell passed "myname at home"@isp.co.uk to remove_members.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb  2 21:00:45 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:00:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner (?) probs
References: <20010202112346.A2438@kami.vein.hu>
Message-ID: <3A7B11ED.5F21E9A8@west.sun.com>


Jozsa Kristof wrote:
>
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 41, in process
>     footer = string.replace(mlist.msg_footer % d, '\r\n', '\n')
> TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation

This points directly at msg_footer.  Suspect extra "%d"-or "%(field)" printf-like
format codes in your footer string.  Look over the footer string *very* carefully.  

> --
> 
> ..and I have no idea what's going on, or why this list aint work why others
> all do. From the users point of view, they send a mail to the list, and
> neither the mail arrives to the members of the list, nor they get back any
> error. I've found all the sent mails in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles, and
> /var/log/mailman/qrunner also grows slowly with such messages repeating:
> --
> Feb 02 09:19:13 2001 (5157) Exception reading qfile:
> /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/edaee586d8eb4a58e59cbc66ccf8e91630f5acd2
> EOF read where object expected

That's pretty odd.  Try temporarily moving that file to somewhere else (like a new
directory ~mailman/saveqfiles or something) and see if the rest of them get
processed.

> Feb 02 09:20:03 2001 (5168) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Feb 02 09:21:03 2001 (5177) Could not acquire qrunner lock

You may now have a stale lock in ~mailman/locks because something went
horribly wrong; it'll probably have to be removed by hand.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb  2 21:04:03 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:04:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance
References: <r1xn1c6hrws.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>
Message-ID: <3A7B12B3.76CFDDB3@west.sun.com>

Doesn't surprise me.  It's an interpreted language, so loading up the 
interpreter, then the code, then executing is going to take a 
certain fixed startup time.  It will be completely dwarfed by
mail connection time when you start running an actual list.

Dave Disser wrote:
> 
> I just discovered/downloaded/installed mailman yesterday, and am
> getting horrible performance with it, so I hope this is an easy one.
> 
> Any mailman operation takes > 5 secs; even bin/list_lists takes 7
> secs.  Is it normal for it to take so long?  I use list_lists as an
> example because I want to leave the webserver out of the equation.
> My server machine is a 4-way K series with gobs of RAM, so hardware
> doesn't appear to be lacking.  Perhaps my copy of python is not
> optimally built?  Any help someone can offer would be appreciated.
> 
> $ uname -srm
> HP-UX B.10.20 9000/849
> 
> $ python
> Python 1.6 (#13, Feb  1 2001, 14:46:49) [C] on hp-uxB
> Copyright (c) 1995-2000 Corporation for National Research Initiatives.
> All Rights Reserved.
> Copyright (c) 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam.
> All Rights Reserved.
> >>>
> 
> $ profile.py list_lists | grep -v 0\\.000                                    <
> 1 matching mailing lists found:
>     Mailman-test - [no description available]
>          1765 function calls (1646 primitive calls) in 7.050 CPU seconds
> 
>    Ordered by: standard name
> 
>    ncalls  tottime  percall  cumtime  percall filename:lineno(function)
>       3/1    0.050    0.017    7.050    7.050 <string>:1(?)
>         1    0.020    0.020    2.240    2.240 Archiver.py:23(?)
>         1    0.040    0.040    1.030    1.030 Cookie.py:155(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 Defaults.py:20(?)
>         1    0.110    0.110    0.120    0.120 HTMLFormatter.py:18(?)
>         1    0.230    0.230    0.360    0.360 HandlerAPI.py:17(?)
>         1    0.040    0.040    0.490    0.490 ListAdmin.py:25(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.020    0.020 Logger.py:17(?)
>         1    1.570    1.570    6.730    6.730 MailList.py:21(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 MailList.py:862(__load)
>         1    0.240    0.240    2.220    2.220 Mailbox.py:18(?)
>         1    0.090    0.090    0.090    0.090 Message.py:24(?)
>         1    0.060    0.060    1.090    1.090 SecurityManager.py:18(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.030    0.030 StampedLogger.py:17(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 StringIO.py:17(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.040    0.040 Syslog.py:20(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 Utils.py:17(?)
>         1    0.430    0.430    3.810    3.810 Utils.py:24(?)
>         2    0.010    0.005    0.010    0.005 Utils.py:47(list_exists)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 Utils.py:57(list_names)
>         1    0.020    0.020    2.260    2.260 __init__.py:17(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 htmlformat.py:22(?)
>         1    0.240    0.240    7.000    7.000 list_lists:39(?)
>         1    0.700    0.700    0.700    0.700 mailbox.py:3(?)
>         1    0.020    0.020    0.030    0.030 mm_cfg.py:36(?)
>         1    0.120    0.120    0.130    0.130 random.py:21(?)
>         4    0.010    0.003    0.010    0.003 random.py:75(verify)
>         1    0.180    0.180    1.350    1.350 re.py:23(?)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 regsub.py:11(?)
>         1    1.010    1.010    1.170    1.170 sre.py:19(?)
>       8/2    0.050    0.006    3.240    1.620 sre.py:61(compile)
>       9/3    0.160    0.018    3.240    1.080 sre.py:91(_compile)
>         1    0.140    0.140    0.150    0.150 sre_compile.py:11(?)
>        43    0.070    0.002    0.070    0.002 sre_compile.py:165(_optimize_charset)
>      47/6    0.750    0.016    1.190    0.198 sre_compile.py:17(_compile)
>         9    0.020    0.002    0.100    0.011 sre_compile.py:229(_compile_info)
>       9/6    0.010    0.001    1.270    0.212 sre_compile.py:338(_code)
>         3    0.010    0.003    0.010    0.003 sre_constants.py:124(makedict)
>         1    0.010    0.010    0.010    0.010 sre_parse.py:11(?)
>     72/34    0.050    0.001    0.050    0.001 sre_parse.py:131(getwidth)
>         3    0.010    0.003    0.010    0.003 sre_parse.py:204(isname)
>      18/9    0.030    0.002    0.340    0.038 sre_parse.py:283(_parse_sub)
>      20/9    0.120    0.006    0.330    0.037 sre_parse.py:338(_parse)
>         9    0.010    0.001    0.010    0.001 sre_parse.py:69(__init__)
>         1    0.080    0.080    0.080    0.080 traceback.py:1(?)
> 
> --Dave
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Feb  2 21:24:07 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:24:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
In-Reply-To: <20010202160125.A16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>; from dominic.hargreaves@magdalen.oxford.ac.uk on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 04:01:25PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102020834190.8389-100000@hobbes> <20010202091114.C30446@sherohman.org> <20010202160125.A16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010202142407.A31118@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 04:01:25PM +0000, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> No, this is not the case. Approved headers, while perhaps slightly 
> inelegant, are more secure (FSVO "secure") than simply allowing a set of 
> posters to post. Anyone can trivially fake a "From" header in an email 
> address, whereas with an approved header you need to know the password.

Does majordomo remove the Approved header while forwarding messages?  If not,
finding out the password is even more trivial than forging From:.

-- 
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and at home. - SGI job posting
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From dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk  Fri Feb  2 21:26:33 2001
From: dominic.hargreaves at magdalen.oxford.ac.uk (Dominic Hargreaves)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:26:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
In-Reply-To: <20010202142407.A31118@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 02:24:07PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102020834190.8389-100000@hobbes> <20010202091114.C30446@sherohman.org> <20010202160125.A16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> <20010202142407.A31118@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010202202633.G16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>

On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 02:24:07PM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 04:01:25PM +0000, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> > No, this is not the case. Approved headers, while perhaps slightly 
> > inelegant, are more secure (FSVO "secure") than simply allowing a set of 
> > posters to post. Anyone can trivially fake a "From" header in an email 
> > address, whereas with an approved header you need to know the password.
> 
> Does majordomo remove the Approved header while forwarding messages?  If not,
> finding out the password is even more trivial than forging From:.

Yes, it does.

-- 
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You can get my PGP key from my web site.
"Only two things are infinite: the Universe and human stupidity, and 
   I'm not sure about the former" - Albert Einstein



From disser at sdd.hp.com  Fri Feb  2 22:24:26 2001
From: disser at sdd.hp.com (Dave Disser)
Date: 02 Feb 2001 13:24:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance
In-Reply-To: Dan Mick's message of "Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:04:03 -0800"
References: <r1xn1c6hrws.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com> <3A7B12B3.76CFDDB3@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <r1xy9vohj79.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>

Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com> writes:

> Doesn't surprise me.  It's an interpreted language, so loading up the 
> interpreter, then the code, then executing is going to take a 
> certain fixed startup time.  It will be completely dwarfed by
> mail connection time when you start running an actual list.

I guess that doesn't bother me so much as that all the web operations
take just as long.  Other mailman sites don't seem to have the
problem... what's the trick?

--Dave



From theduke at pandora.be  Fri Feb  2 22:28:58 2001
From: theduke at pandora.be (test)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:28:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
In-Reply-To: <20010202140751.A32716@saurus.dvr.dydx.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102022227080.696-100000@wormhole>

drwxrwsr-x   18 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  1 23:53 /opt/home/mailman/

all dirs hight (/opt/home and /opt are also o+x)

check_perms says that all is peachy keen


On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Tony Abbott wrote:

> Sounds very much like permissions to me. check permissions further up the
> tree. Make sure that all the parent directorys are at least o+x. If you're 
> running redhat and used useradd to create your mailman user I'd start with 
>    ls -lad /opt/home/mailman
> 
> -t
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:39:31PM +0100, Kris 'dJOEk' Vandecruys wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > hi,
> > > > i did a by-the-README/INSTALL install of mailman 2.0.1 and i get this
> > > > error in my www.elog
> > > > 
> > > > [Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> > > > /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed
> > > 
> > > So, the completely-obvious questions are:
> > > 
> > > is it executable?  Is it executable by the user your web server runs
> > > CGIs as?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  1 22:58 .
> > drwxrwsr-x   18 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  1 22:58 ..
> > -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30794 Feb  1 22:58 admin
> > and the same for the other cgis
> > 
> > apache runs em as nobody, and i ./configured mailman with the
> > correct mail-gid and cgi-gid (got them out of sendmail.cf and httpd.conf
> > as described)
> > 
> > Everything works, except the web frontend... 
> > 
> > I get a server error 500
> > 
> > this is the error in my elog:
> > [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> > /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo failed
> > [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] [client 213.224.83.70] Premature end of
> > script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> > 
> > i tried taking the s-bit off the cgis, and then i get a different error:
> > (so that the scripts are run as nobody, not as mailman)
> > the page gives me 
> > 1. Bug in mailman blah blah
> > from .elog -> can't write to error
> > changes perms of logs/error to 777 (temporary) 
> > 2. Bug in mailman blah bla
> > from logs/errors -> can't read write config.db
> > course not, the thing runs as nobody and config.db is 
> > -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      2931 Feb  1 23:13 config.db
> > 
> > I got it sorta running after a lot of shifting perms, but then the mail
> > part doesn't work anymore...
> > 
> > i thought about setting apache's gid to mailman but that would break the
> > other cgis, right ?
> > 
> > frankly i'm at a loss...
> > it's probably something silly that i'm overlooking, but a couple of
> > friends which also know what they are doing can't figure it out either
> > 
> > any suggestions are highly appreciated 
> > 
> > bye,
> > Kris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> -- 
> 
>    Tony Abbott				tabbott at systemsfusion.com
> 
> 
> 




From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Feb  2 22:07:45 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:07:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
In-Reply-To: <20010202202633.G16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>; from dominic.hargreaves@magdalen.oxford.ac.uk on Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 08:26:33PM +0000
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102020834190.8389-100000@hobbes> <20010202091114.C30446@sherohman.org> <20010202160125.A16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> <20010202142407.A31118@sherohman.org> <20010202202633.G16305@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20010202150745.F31118@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 08:26:33PM +0000, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> > Does majordomo remove the Approved header while forwarding messages?  If not,
> > finding out the password is even more trivial than forging From:.
> 
> Yes, it does.

In that case, I stand corrected.  Thanks for straightening me out.

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From peter at pad.com  Fri Feb  2 22:49:23 2001
From: peter at pad.com (Peter Dominguez)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:49:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new user switching from majordomo/majorcool
Message-ID: <3A7B2B63.1090006@pad.com>

I am using postfix as the MTA.  Can someone briefly describe how to set 
up aliasing
for 'new-list-name'.

Thanks.

peter at pad.com




From tabbott at systemsfusion.com  Fri Feb  2 22:07:51 2001
From: tabbott at systemsfusion.com (Tony Abbott)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:07:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102012329230.816-100000@wormhole>; from theduke@pandora.be on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:39:31PM +0100
References: <200102012228.OAA18215@utopia.west.sun.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102012329230.816-100000@wormhole>
Message-ID: <20010202140751.A32716@saurus.dvr.dydx.net>

Sounds very much like permissions to me. check permissions further up the
tree. Make sure that all the parent directorys are at least o+x. If you're 
running redhat and used useradd to create your mailman user I'd start with 
   ls -lad /opt/home/mailman

-t


On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:39:31PM +0100, Kris 'dJOEk' Vandecruys wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > hi,
> > > i did a by-the-README/INSTALL install of mailman 2.0.1 and i get this
> > > error in my www.elog
> > > 
> > > [Thu Feb  1 14:18:02 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> > > /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed
> > 
> > So, the completely-obvious questions are:
> > 
> > is it executable?  Is it executable by the user your web server runs
> > CGIs as?
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  1 22:58 .
> drwxrwsr-x   18 mailman  mailman      4096 Feb  1 22:58 ..
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30794 Feb  1 22:58 admin
> and the same for the other cgis
> 
> apache runs em as nobody, and i ./configured mailman with the
> correct mail-gid and cgi-gid (got them out of sendmail.cf and httpd.conf
> as described)
> 
> Everything works, except the web frontend... 
> 
> I get a server error 500
> 
> this is the error in my elog:
> [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo failed
> [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] [client 213.224.83.70] Premature end of
> script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> 
> i tried taking the s-bit off the cgis, and then i get a different error:
> (so that the scripts are run as nobody, not as mailman)
> the page gives me 
> 1. Bug in mailman blah blah
> from .elog -> can't write to error
> changes perms of logs/error to 777 (temporary) 
> 2. Bug in mailman blah bla
> from logs/errors -> can't read write config.db
> course not, the thing runs as nobody and config.db is 
> -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      2931 Feb  1 23:13 config.db
> 
> I got it sorta running after a lot of shifting perms, but then the mail
> part doesn't work anymore...
> 
> i thought about setting apache's gid to mailman but that would break the
> other cgis, right ?
> 
> frankly i'm at a loss...
> it's probably something silly that i'm overlooking, but a couple of
> friends which also know what they are doing can't figure it out either
> 
> any suggestions are highly appreciated 
> 
> bye,
> Kris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 

   Tony Abbott				tabbott at systemsfusion.com




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Sat Feb  3 00:18:19 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:18:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
Message-ID: <200102022316.PAA27248@utopia.west.sun.com>

> this is the error in my elog:
> [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo failed
> [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] [client 213.224.83.70] Premature end of
> script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> 
> i tried taking the s-bit off the cgis, and then i get a different error:
> (so that the scripts are run as nobody, not as mailman)
> the page gives me 

> 1. Bug in mailman blah blah
> from .elog -> can't write to error
> changes perms of logs/error to 777 (temporary) 
> 2. Bug in mailman blah bla
> from logs/errors -> can't read write config.db
> course not, the thing runs as nobody and config.db is 
> -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      2931 Feb  1 23:13 config.db

So, if sgid CGIs don't run, but non-sgid CGIs do (but can't work),
is your Apache config such that sgid CGIs aren't permitted
by a mere ScriptAlias, like, are you using suEXEC or something?
I don't see this error in my Apache source, so maybe the ability
to run sgid CGIs by default has changed
from an older to a newer Apache or something?...




From theduke at pandora.be  Sat Feb  3 00:31:37 2001
From: theduke at pandora.be (test)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:31:37 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
In-Reply-To: <200102022316.PAA27248@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102030031250.964-100000@wormhole>


On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:

> 
> > this is the error in my elog:
> > [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
> > /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo failed
> > [Thu Feb  1 23:08:29 2001] [error] [client 213.224.83.70] Premature end of
> > script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
> > 
> > i tried taking the s-bit off the cgis, and then i get a different error:
> > (so that the scripts are run as nobody, not as mailman)
> > the page gives me 
> 
> > 1. Bug in mailman blah blah
> > from .elog -> can't write to error
> > changes perms of logs/error to 777 (temporary) 
> > 2. Bug in mailman blah bla
> > from logs/errors -> can't read write config.db
> > course not, the thing runs as nobody and config.db is 
> > -rw-rw----    1 mailman  mailman      2931 Feb  1 23:13 config.db

> 
> So, if sgid CGIs don't run, but non-sgid CGIs do (but can't work),
> is your Apache config such that sgid CGIs aren't permitted
> by a mere ScriptAlias, like, are you using suEXEC or something?
> I don't see this error in my Apache source, so maybe the ability
> to run sgid CGIs by default has changed
> from an older to a newer Apache or something?...
> 
> 
> 
how do i check ?





From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Sat Feb  3 00:57:43 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:57:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
Message-ID: <200102022355.PAA00108@utopia.west.sun.com>

gid CGIs don't run, but non-sgid CGIs do (but can't work),
> > is your Apache config such that sgid CGIs aren't permitted
> > by a mere ScriptAlias, like, are you using suEXEC or something?
> > I don't see this error in my Apache source, so maybe the ability
> > to run sgid CGIs by default has changed
> > from an older to a newer Apache or something?...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> how do i check ?

Uh...you go read Apache source and documentation like the rest of us?

Dude, I can't solve your problem for you, I can only point in 
directions.  Now that we're off the topic of Mailman, it doesn't
even belong on this list.

Sorry; my webserver works as advertised.




From scott-brown at home.com  Sat Feb  3 02:35:12 2001
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:35:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
In-Reply-To: <200102022316.PAA27248@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <000701c08d81$8da6f280$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

>
> So, if sgid CGIs don't run, but non-sgid CGIs do (but can't work),
> is your Apache config such that sgid CGIs aren't permitted
> by a mere ScriptAlias, like, are you using suEXEC or something?
> I don't see this error in my Apache source, so maybe the ability
> to run sgid CGIs by default has changed
> from an older to a newer Apache or something?...
>
>

This does sound like an SUExec problem...

I got around SUExec by creating a new subdomain for each virtual domain
named 'Mailman', and setting the USER and GROUP of those subdomains to be
that which Mailman itself expected (nobody/nobody) in my case.





From jamest at math.ksu.edu  Sat Feb  3 04:30:49 2001
From: jamest at math.ksu.edu (James Thompson)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:30:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
In-Reply-To: <20010202150745.F31118@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102022128470.14857-100000@euler.math.ksu.edu>

For what it's worth.  The Approve.py handler in mailman does seem to check
for the Approved: header and will compare it's value to the mail list
admin password.  It looks like this should work fine from what I've found
in the source.  However, it doesn't seem to.  

Is there any way to make mailman produce some type of debugging output?

Take Care,
James

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From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Sat Feb  3 05:34:26 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 20:34:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approved header
Message-ID: <200102030432.UAA07854@utopia.west.sun.com>

> For what it's worth.  The Approve.py handler in mailman does seem to check
> for the Approved: header and will compare it's value to the mail list
> admin password.  It looks like this should work fine from what I've found
> in the source.  However, it doesn't seem to.  
> 
> Is there any way to make mailman produce some type of debugging output?

yes, it's pretty easy, but requires a bit of Python hackery.
Luckily, that's easy.

Look for "syslog" in some of the existing files.  You'll need

1) the import statement

2) the call to syslog, where you can use your own filename which will
   be created in '~mailman/logs'
   
3) to understand the Python idiom "string % (tuple)", for instance
'integer: %d string: %s' % (5, "foobar")
which will substitute like printf does and end up with a string like
'integer: 5 string: foobar'
that you can log.




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Feb  3 05:36:20 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 20:36:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Mick <dan.mick@west.sun.com> 
   of "Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:04:03 PST." <3A7B12B3.76CFDDB3@west.sun.com> 
References: <r1xn1c6hrws.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>  <3A7B12B3.76CFDDB3@west.sun.com> 
Message-ID: <30257.981174980@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 12:04:03 -0800 
Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com> wrote:

> Doesn't surprise me.  It's an interpreted language, so loading up
> the interpreter, then the code, then executing is going to take a
> certain fixed startup time.  It will be completely dwarfed by mail
> connection time when you start running an actual list.

Here on a 2-way PII-333 init time is under one second.  Something
else is wrong.

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--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Sat Feb  3 07:37:14 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 00:37:14 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman performance
In-Reply-To: <r1xn1c6hrws.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>; from Dave Disser on Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 04:04:03PM -0800
References: <r1xn1c6hrws.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>
Message-ID: <20010203003254.A747@mallorn.com>

> I just discovered/downloaded/installed mailman yesterday, and am
> getting horrible performance with it, so I hope this is an easy one.
> 
> Any mailman operation takes > 5 secs; even bin/list_lists takes 7
> secs.  Is it normal for it to take so long?  I use list_lists as an
> example because I want to leave the webserver out of the equation.
> My server machine is a 4-way K series with gobs of RAM, so hardware
> doesn't appear to be lacking.  Perhaps my copy of python is not
> optimally built?  Any help someone can offer would be appreciated.

Is your Mailman install on local disk or a networked filesystem?  I
have similar problems with an install over NFS and another over AFS,
presumably due to locking issues or something similar.

Running $prefix/bin/find_member is really fast the first time that it's
run, but future queries take around 30 seconds each.  Same with other
$prefix/bin commands.

This is on a dual Pentium III/800, 256MB RAM running Intel Linux (stock
RedHat 6.2/python install) on a 100MB switched network (the NFS server
is on the same subnet, but on the other install with AFS the server with
the mailman volume is on a different subnet).

Chris



From markb at textmatters.com  Sat Feb  3 14:00:30 2001
From: markb at textmatters.com (Mark Barratt)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 13:00:30 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI problems and lock files
References: <006901c08d35$f14ccfe0$2614348f@shu.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <3A7C00EE.8040702@textmatters.com>

Ray Gardener wrote:

> Hi, I have recently upgraded to version 2.0.1 of mailman running on 
> Solaris 2.7 with Python 1.5.2.
> 
> This seems to work much more efficiently that the old version but every 
> so often I am locked out of the web interface of certain lists. On 
> inspection there appears to be a large amount of lock files in 
> $prefix/locks to do with these particular lists. Removing these lock 
> files allows me back into the lists. Is this problem a feature and are 
> hanging locks purged periodically? Incidentally though I can see a 
> datastamp I can't see a timestamp on these lock files.
> 

I'm afraid this is a sort-of me-too rather than a solution.
Mine is strange. If I log on to the admin interface from Netscape 6.0, 
all is well. If I log on from IE 5.5 I get a 'server misconfiguration' 
error from Apache. If I then reload the page, everything just hangs. - 
and I can't get back in from Netscape either.

At this point I can find a couple of locks in the lock file. Clearing 
them makes it work OK again - at least from Netscape.

Strange...

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From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Sat Feb  3 18:39:54 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:39:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010203092942.04966a20@mail.atfantasy.com>

Hi =)

Is there a way to disable having this extra information show up in messages 
sent through the mailing list?  The extra information started showing up 
after a recent upgrade to mailman v2.0.1 and it looks like this:

Reply-To: writers-workshop at atfantasy.com
List-Help: <mailto:writers-workshop-request at mail.atfantasy.com?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:writers-workshop at mail.atfantasy.com>
List-Subscribe: 
<http://mail.atfantasy.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/writers-workshop>,
         <mailto:writers-workshop-request at mail.atfantasy.com?subject=subscribe> 

List-Id: AtFantasy's Writer's Workshop list 
<writers-workshop.mail.atfantasy.com>
List-Unsubscribe: 
<http://mail.atfantasy.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/writers-workshop>,
         <mailto:writers-workshop-request at mail.atfantasy.com?subject=unsubscribe> 

List-Archive: <http://mail.atfantasy.com/pipermail/writers-workshop/>
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:19:43 -0500

I tried reading through the mailman-users mailing list archive.  My search 
came up with two main items.  The first was a big debate about the pros and 
cons of these headers.  The second was a reference about this only being a 
problem in Eudora and that there's a modification you can make to the 
eudora.ini file that hides these headers.  I got the impression, but 
couldn't find specific details, that it's possible to change something on 
the server-side that will remove / hide these headers.  People on my 
mailing list are non-technical, so changing something on the server would 
be preferred over leading people through making changes to their email 
client's configuration files.

Bottom line:  are there server-side changes I can make to remove / hide 
these headers?

Thanks in advance for any advice / help you could provide.

Sincerely,

Ed Lazor
The AtFantasy Alliance
Your source for imagination.
http://www.AtFantasy.com




From matt at salemiu.edu  Sat Feb  3 19:17:21 2001
From: matt at salemiu.edu (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:17:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list
Message-ID: <013101c08e0d$911d27e0$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Whenever I send to a list, I get no error messages back as a reply nor do I
find anything in the mailman error logs.  Mailman is installed in
/home/mailman on a RedHat 6.2 system.  Anyone have any clues?  Thanks in
advance.

Here's some info on the problem (PS ignore time differences between lastcomm
and maillog, I had to send twice to grab the info from the end of the logs
since they fill so quickly):

/etc/sendmail.cf:
O DefaultUser=8:12

/etc/group:
mail::12:mail
mailman:x:1221:

lastcomm process accounting:
sendmail          SF    root     ??         0.02 secs Sat Feb  3 12:56
python            S     mail     ??         0.20 secs Sat Feb  3 12:56
sendmail          SF    root     ??         0.00 secs Sat Feb  3 12:56
sendmail          SF    root     ??         0.01 secs Sat Feb  3 12:56

/etc/aliases:
## all_campus mailing list
## created: 01-Feb-2001 mailman
all_campus:              "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post all_campus"
all_campus-admin:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner all_campus"
all_campus-request:      "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd all_campus"
all_campus-owner:        all_campus-admin

/var/log/maillog:
Feb  3 12:58:31 stunix sendmail[32589]: MAA32589: from=<matt at salemiu.edu>,
size=
624, class=0, pri=30624, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<012601c08e0c$e7f4b660$0100a8c0 at jenkins
>, proto=SMTP, relay=mickey.salem-teikyo.wvnet.edu [129.71.59.5]
Feb  3 12:58:32 stunix sendmail[32590]: MAA32589:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrappe
r post all_campus", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent






From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Sat Feb  3 19:56:35 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:56:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list
In-Reply-To: <013101c08e0d$911d27e0$0100a8c0@jenkins>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010203105557.04be5158@mail.atfantasy.com>

At 01:17 PM 2/3/2001 -0500, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>Whenever I send to a list, I get no error messages back as a reply nor do I
>find anything in the mailman error logs.  Mailman is installed in
>/home/mailman on a RedHat 6.2 system.  Anyone have any clues?  Thanks in
>advance.

Have you checked root's email for error messages?  Have you run "new aliases"?

-Ed




From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Sat Feb  3 20:42:06 2001
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:42:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How far can I modify the original screen?
Message-ID: <20010203194206.A54056@boole.maths.tcd.ie>

To what extent can I modify the original mailman screen,
as seen in .../listinfo/<list> ?

I'd like to set up a list for a society
so that the information for joining the society --
giving name, address, etc ---
was the first page seen when accessing the mailman web-site.
Is that possible?
If not, can I add pages to the web-site specific to that list?

If anyone else is using mailman for a similar purpose
I'd be very grateful to hear from them.



-- 
Timothy Murphy  
e-mail: tim at maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland



From linux at wildernesscomputing.com  Sat Feb  3 20:58:15 2001
From: linux at wildernesscomputing.com (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list
References: <20010203181307.1996.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301c08e1b$a6c28140$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Yes, already made the symlink.

Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Yee Siew Chin <siew_chin at yahoo.com>
To: Matt Jenkins <matt at salemiu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list


> did you do a symlink for the mailman's wrapper?
> examples:-
> 
> ln -sn /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper
> 
> then, restart sendmail
> 
> rgds,
> yee
> 
> --- Matt Jenkins <matt at salemiu.edu> wrote:
> > Whenever I send to a list, I get no error messages
> > back as a reply nor do I
> > find anything in the mailman error logs.  Mailman is
> > installed in
> > /home/mailman on a RedHat 6.2 system.  Anyone have
> > any clues?  Thanks in
> > advance.
> > 
> > Here's some info on the problem (PS ignore time
> > differences between lastcomm
> > and maillog, I had to send twice to grab the info
> > from the end of the logs
> > since they fill so quickly):
> > 
> > /etc/sendmail.cf:
> > O DefaultUser=8:12
> > 
> > /etc/group:
> > mail::12:mail
> > mailman:x:1221:
> > 
> > lastcomm process accounting:
> > sendmail          SF    root     ??         0.02
> > secs Sat Feb  3 12:56
> > python            S     mail     ??         0.20
> > secs Sat Feb  3 12:56
> > sendmail          SF    root     ??         0.00
> > secs Sat Feb  3 12:56
> > sendmail          SF    root     ??         0.01
> > secs Sat Feb  3 12:56
> > 
> > /etc/aliases:
> > ## all_campus mailing list
> > ## created: 01-Feb-2001 mailman
> > all_campus:             
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post all_campus"
> > all_campus-admin:       
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner all_campus"
> > all_campus-request:     
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd all_campus"
> > all_campus-owner:        all_campus-admin
> > 
> > /var/log/maillog:
> > Feb  3 12:58:31 stunix sendmail[32589]: MAA32589:
> > from=<matt at salemiu.edu>,
> > size=
> > 624, class=0, pri=30624, nrcpts=1,
> > msgid=<012601c08e0c$e7f4b660$0100a8c0 at jenkins
> > >, proto=SMTP, relay=mickey.salem-teikyo.wvnet.edu
> > [129.71.59.5]
> > Feb  3 12:58:32 stunix sendmail[32590]: MAA32589:
> > to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrappe
> > r post all_campus", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
> > mailer=prog, stat=Sent
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
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> a year!  http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/




From nican at nsc.liu.se  Sat Feb  3 20:48:01 2001
From: nican at nsc.liu.se (Niclas Andersson)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:48:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages to users
Message-ID: <200102031948.UAA04796@dumbo.nsc.liu.se>

How do I avoid duplicate messages to users when sending to an umbrella list?

I've made announcement lists for different computational resources we have at
our site. My intention is that the users should subscribe to the list that
match the resource he/she is using. Moreover, I have an umbrella list which has
every resource maillist as a subscriber. If I now send a general announcement
to the umbrella list, a user that has subscribed to several maillists get one
message for each list. This is not very nice.

Since all list are maintained in one single mail/www host, there should be a
possiblility of joining all users before sending the message, avoiding sending
duplicate messages to a user. Earlier, when I used majordomo, it was easy to
construct a mailalias that contained all lists and let sendmail remove the
duplicate e-mail addresses. Is there any possibility to do a similar thing in
mailman?

	Niclas
	nican at nsc.liu.se





From matt at salemiu.edu  Sat Feb  3 21:07:27 2001
From: matt at salemiu.edu (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:07:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010203105557.04be5158@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <006501c08e1c$ef285440$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Yep, no mail to root.  Already ran "newaliases".  Still no mail.  I can run
wrapper myself as mail (by doing a superuser to mail) and wrapper runs and
waits for input, but I am unsure what data to send it to check and make sure
it is working properly.

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Lazor <osmosis at atfantasy.com>
To: Matt Jenkins <matt at salemiu.edu>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list


> At 01:17 PM 2/3/2001 -0500, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >Whenever I send to a list, I get no error messages back as a reply nor do
I
> >find anything in the mailman error logs.  Mailman is installed in
> >/home/mailman on a RedHat 6.2 system.  Anyone have any clues?  Thanks in
> >advance.
>
> Have you checked root's email for error messages?  Have you run "new
aliases"?
>
> -Ed




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Sat Feb  3 21:04:15 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:04:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How far can I modify the original screen?
In-Reply-To: <20010203194206.A54056@boole.maths.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010203120323.04e6ada0@mail.atfantasy.com>

Try playing with the files in the templates folder of your install 
directory.  They have html that you can modify to change the look of your 
pages.


At 07:42 PM 2/3/2001 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
>To what extent can I modify the original mailman screen,
>as seen in .../listinfo/<list> ?
>
>I'd like to set up a list for a society
>so that the information for joining the society --
>giving name, address, etc ---
>was the first page seen when accessing the mailman web-site.
>Is that possible?
>If not, can I add pages to the web-site specific to that list?
>
>If anyone else is using mailman for a similar purpose
>I'd be very grateful to hear from them.




From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Feb  3 21:18:16 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 13:18:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db path mismatch
Message-ID: <3A7C6788.730D0E95@pcraft.com>

    One of my admins decided reinstall mailman into a new directory and
just *moved* the lists from one (old) directory to the other (new)
directory. However, now we're faced with the fact that bits and piece of
Mailman don't work (what else is new when you move things without
thinking).

    The question now is, how can I fix the config.db file for some of
these lists?  Basically, it's failing on the archival linking.

    Mailman's error is:

----------
File "/home/users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in
makelink
  os.symlink(old, new)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
----------


    When I look in one of the list's config.db, I see these defined:

----------
'archive_directory': '/mailman/archives/private/palladium',
'private_archive_file_dir': '/mailman/archives/private/palladium.mbox',
'public_archive_file_dir': '/mailman/archives/public',
----------

    And I need to change those to reflect the new path (which now is
/home/users/mailman/...)

    Can that be done, somehow?

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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Sun Feb  4 03:03:01 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:03:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010203092942.04966a20@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <3A7CB855.3381EC0D@west.sun.com>

If you've really been through the archives discussion, then you've seen

1) a way to disable them, and
2) the overwhelming opinion that it is a really bad idea, and 
3) several different ways for your users to avoid seeing the headers if
their sensibilities are so delicate.

There's really nothing more to say than what you say you've read.

Ed Lazor wrote:
> 
> Hi =)
> 
> Is there a way to disable having this extra information show up in messages
> sent through the mailing list?  The extra information started showing up
> after a recent upgrade to mailman v2.0.1 and it looks like this:
> 
> Reply-To: writers-workshop at atfantasy.com
> List-Help: <mailto:writers-workshop-request at mail.atfantasy.com?subject=help>
> List-Post: <mailto:writers-workshop at mail.atfantasy.com>
> List-Subscribe:
> <http://mail.atfantasy.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/writers-workshop>,
>          <mailto:writers-workshop-request at mail.atfantasy.com?subject=subscribe>
> 
> List-Id: AtFantasy's Writer's Workshop list
> <writers-workshop.mail.atfantasy.com>
> List-Unsubscribe:
> <http://mail.atfantasy.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/writers-workshop>,
>          <mailto:writers-workshop-request at mail.atfantasy.com?subject=unsubscribe>
> 
> List-Archive: <http://mail.atfantasy.com/pipermail/writers-workshop/>
> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:19:43 -0500
> 
> I tried reading through the mailman-users mailing list archive.  My search
> came up with two main items.  The first was a big debate about the pros and
> cons of these headers.  The second was a reference about this only being a
> problem in Eudora and that there's a modification you can make to the
> eudora.ini file that hides these headers.  I got the impression, but
> couldn't find specific details, that it's possible to change something on
> the server-side that will remove / hide these headers.  People on my
> mailing list are non-technical, so changing something on the server would
> be preferred over leading people through making changes to their email
> client's configuration files.
> 
> Bottom line:  are there server-side changes I can make to remove / hide
> these headers?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice / help you could provide.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Ed Lazor
> The AtFantasy Alliance
> Your source for imagination.
> http://www.AtFantasy.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From linux at wildernesscomputing.com  Sun Feb  4 03:40:07 2001
From: linux at wildernesscomputing.com (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010203105557.04be5158@mail.atfantasy.com> <006501c08e1c$ef285440$0100a8c0@jenkins>
Message-ID: <007501c08e53$ca27a740$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Redirected my mail.debug to a seperate file so I could find it in my
neverending mail logs.  Here is the line which gets generated when I send
mail to a list:

Feb  3 21:23:53 stunix sendmail[14493]: VAA14492:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post all_campus", delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent


Any clues?  Thanks.

Matt




From linux at wildernesscomputing.com  Sun Feb  4 03:54:02 2001
From: linux at wildernesscomputing.com (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:54:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102031829050.29484-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <00ba01c08e55$bbd5f6e0$0100a8c0@jenkins>

@#$@#!  The INSTALL file says to do a su to mailman.  Looking in the crontab
manual it says that's not a good idea.  I see why now.  The documentation
for Mailman should be changed to read "crontab -u mailman crontab.in" and
remove the su line.  Thanks a ton Roger!

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: Roger B.A. Klorese <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG>
To: Matt Jenkins <linux at wildernesscomputing.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE


> That says it's getting delivered properly to your spool.  Are you running
> the mailman queue?
>
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:40:07 -0500
> > From: Matt Jenkins <linux at wildernesscomputing.com>
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
> >
> > Redirected my mail.debug to a seperate file so I could find it in my
> > neverending mail logs.  Here is the line which gets generated when I
send
> > mail to a list:
> >
> > Feb  3 21:23:53 stunix sendmail[14493]: VAA14492:
> > to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post all_campus", delay=00:00:00,
> > xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
> >
> >
> > Any clues?  Thanks.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> --
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE
rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
> PO Box 14309                                 San Francisco, CA 94114
> "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul
Rudnick
>




From matt at salemiu.edu  Sun Feb  4 03:56:23 2001
From: matt at salemiu.edu (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding LOTS of users
Message-ID: <00d401c08e56$12c1db40$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Is there a way to add users to a given list from a file containg one
username per line?  Thanks in advance.

Matt




From linux at wildernesscomputing.com  Sun Feb  4 04:09:28 2001
From: linux at wildernesscomputing.com (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:09:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding LOTS of users
References: <00d401c08e56$12c1db40$0100a8c0@jenkins>
Message-ID: <00e601c08e57$e495dee0$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Whoops, nevermind found it under admin menus.

Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Matt Jenkins <matt at salemiu.edu>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:56 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding LOTS of users


> Is there a way to add users to a given list from a file containg one
> username per line?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sun Feb  4 04:03:35 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:33:35 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding LOTS of users
In-Reply-To: <00d401c08e56$12c1db40$0100a8c0@jenkins>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102040832280.3791-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 3, 2001 at 21:56, Matt Jenkins wrote:

>Is there a way to add users to a given list from a file containg one
>username per line?  Thanks in advance.

Run bin/add_members.

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From robo at antileague.com  Sun Feb  4 05:00:28 2001
From: robo at antileague.com (Rob)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:00:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web based  group creation
Message-ID: <001401c08e5f$0a8a3180$2e290c42@al4>

hello all:
does any one have a script (or know where to get one) that will allow a user to create a new list group from a web page??  I would like to allow simple options, like discussion or announcement, and the group name....
any help would be highly helpful to this Linux newbie!!
thanks much all!!
Rob

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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Sun Feb  4 07:15:16 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 22:15:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102031829050.29484-100000@castro.queernet.org> <00ba01c08e55$bbd5f6e0$0100a8c0@jenkins>
Message-ID: <3A7CF374.C2664E34@west.sun.com>


Matt Jenkins wrote:
> 
> @#$@#!  The INSTALL file says to do a su to mailman.  Looking in the crontab
> manual it says that's not a good idea.  I see why now.  

Worked fine for me.

> The documentation
> for Mailman should be changed to read "crontab -u mailman crontab.in" and
> remove the su line.  Thanks a ton Roger!

Not that simple.  My crontab utility doesn't have a '-u' switch.

> 
> Matt
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger B.A. Klorese <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG>
> To: Matt Jenkins <linux at wildernesscomputing.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
> 
> > That says it's getting delivered properly to your spool.  Are you running
> > the mailman queue?
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:40:07 -0500
> > > From: Matt Jenkins <linux at wildernesscomputing.com>
> > > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
> > >
> > > Redirected my mail.debug to a seperate file so I could find it in my
> > > neverending mail logs.  Here is the line which gets generated when I
> send
> > > mail to a list:
> > >
> > > Feb  3 21:23:53 stunix sendmail[14493]: VAA14492:
> > > to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post all_campus", delay=00:00:00,
> > > xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
> > >
> > >
> > > Any clues?  Thanks.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> > --
> > ROGER B.A. KLORESE
> rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
> > PO Box 14309                                 San Francisco, CA 94114
> > "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul
> Rudnick
> >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From peter at pad.com  Sun Feb  4 15:30:44 2001
From: peter at pad.com (Peter Dominguez)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:30:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix MTA & Mailman
Message-ID: <20010204093044.B27784@pad.com>

Can someone tell me where I can find documentation setting up Postfix
with Mailman? 

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Feb  4 17:32:16 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:32:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix MTA & Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Dominguez <peter@pad.com> 
   of "Sun, 04 Feb 2001 09:30:44 EST." <20010204093044.B27784@pad.com> 
References: <20010204093044.B27784@pad.com> 
Message-ID: <17316.981304336@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:30:44 -0500 
Peter Dominguez <peter at pad.com> wrote:

> Can someone tell me where I can find documentation setting up
> Postfix with Mailman?

Thre is little to nothing required.  Just put the mailman aliases in
a file, point Postfix at them, and then do a 'postfix reload'.

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From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Sun Feb  4 17:52:40 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:52:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
Message-ID: <4138.216.140.158.162.981305560.squirrel@hutnick.com>

Maybe the rub is that it should be "su - mailman" instead of "su 
mailman"  I think using the - (make it a login shell) option will get 
your environment right for setting up the crontab.

-Peter

>
> Matt Jenkins wrote:
>>
>> @#$@#!  The INSTALL file says to do a su to mailman.  Looking in
>> the crontab manual it says that's not a good idea.  I see why
>> now.
>
> Worked fine for me.
>
>> The documentation
>> for Mailman should be changed to read "crontab -u mailman
>> crontab.in" and remove the su line.  Thanks a ton Roger!
>
> Not that simple.  My crontab utility doesn't have a '-u' switch.
>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Roger B.A. Klorese <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG>
>> To: Matt Jenkins <linux at wildernesscomputing.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 9:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing
>> list - UPDATE
>>
>> > That says it's getting delivered properly to your spool.  Are
>> > you running the mailman queue?
>> >
>> > On Sat, 3 Feb 2001, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> >
>> > > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:40:07 -0500
>> > > From: Matt Jenkins <linux at wildernesscomputing.com>
>> > > To: mailman-users at python.org
>> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing
>> > > list - UPDATE
>> > >
>> > > Redirected my mail.debug to a seperate file so I could find
>> > > it in my neverending mail logs.  Here is the line which gets
>> > > generated when I
>> send
>> > > mail to a list:
>> > >
>> > > Feb  3 21:23:53 stunix sendmail[14493]: VAA14492:
>> > > to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post all_campus",
>> > > delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Any clues?  Thanks.
>> > >
>> > > Matt
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------------------------------
>> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ROGER B.A. KLORESE
>> rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
>> > PO Box 14309                                 San Francisco, CA
>> > 94114 "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of
>> > joy!"       -- Paul
>> Rudnick
>> >
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


--
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From linux at wildernesscomputing.com  Sun Feb  4 19:33:46 2001
From: linux at wildernesscomputing.com (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:33:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending mail to mailing list - UPDATE
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102031829050.29484-100000@castro.queernet.org> <00ba01c08e55$bbd5f6e0$0100a8c0@jenkins> <3A7CF374.C2664E34@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <002601c08ed9$5eb76aa0$0100a8c0@jenkins>

It must be something with RedHat 6.2.  That's what I am running anyhow.
Personally I would have thought su'ing to the mainman user would have worked
fine.  Couldn't get mailman running on our Mandrake system because of the
secure kernel.  It was too much of a hassle.

Matt

> > @#$@#!  The INSTALL file says to do a su to mailman.  Looking in the
crontab
> > manual it says that's not a good idea.  I see why now.
>
> Worked fine for me.
>
> > The documentation
> > for Mailman should be changed to read "crontab -u mailman crontab.in"
and
> > remove the su line.  Thanks a ton Roger!
>
> Not that simple.  My crontab utility doesn't have a '-u' switch.





From barbara at sprog.auc.dk  Sun Feb  4 22:53:47 2001
From: barbara at sprog.auc.dk (Barbara Johansen)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:53:47 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010204223211.8501V-100000@sprog.auc.dk>

I just installed Mailman on our Mandrake 7.1 server with Sendmail 8.11
installed.
When I add a new list, the list-owner does not get a mail.
When I try to subscribe through the webpages, I hit a Bug.
The same when I try to see the admin webpages
	mailman/admin/4test/ 
	mailman/admin/4test

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
 
The error log says:

Feb 04 22:41:18 2001 admin(9269):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(9269): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.1 -----]
admin(9269): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(9269): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(9269):   File "/pack/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(9269):     main()
admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 139, in main
admin(9269):     mlist.Save()
admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save
admin(9269):     self.__save(dict)
admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save
admin(9269):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(9269): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(9269): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(9269): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, May  9 2000, 15:05:56)  [GCC
2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)]
admin(9269): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(9269): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(9269): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(9269): sys.path       = /usr
admin(9269): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(9269): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(9269):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/httpd/html
admin(9269):    SERVER_ADDR: 130.225.50.60
admin(9269):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(9269):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(9269):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/httpd/html/4test/
admin(9269):    REMOTE_ADDR: 130.225.192.59
admin(9269):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: da
admin(9269):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(9269):    SERVER_NAME: www.miiisp.control.auc.dk
admin(9269):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(9269):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0;
Windows NT; DigExt)
admin(9269):    HTTP_ACCEPT: application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, image/gif, image/x-xbitm
ap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*
admin(9269):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/4test/
admin(9269):    QUERY_STRING: 
admin(9269):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /pack/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(9269):    PATH_INFO: /4test/
admin(9269):    HTTP_HOST: miiisp.control.auc.dk
admin(9269):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(9269):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
admin(9269):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(9269):    SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(9269):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.12
(NetRevolution/Linux-Mandrake) PHP/3.0.16 mod_perl/1.22
admin(9269):    PYTHONPATH: /pack/mailman
admin(9269):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(9269):    REMOTE_PORT: 1783

Can you please help me figure out what's wrong?




Barbara B. Johansen Faculty of Humanities
Computing office
Aalborg University
Kroghstraede 3
DK 9220 Aalborg





From jwblist at olympus.net  Sun Feb  4 23:54:49 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:54:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Goodbye message (was Re: Q2: Mass _UN_subscribing)
In-Reply-To: <3A75F493.807F2D18@west.sun.com>
References: <3A75E463.C545F8B5@pcraft.com> <3A75F493.807F2D18@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <p05010401b6a38db3b4c6@[207.149.192.229]>

At 14:54 -0800 1/29/01, Dan Mick wrote:
>If it were important enough [to not send the unsubscibe message], you could
>temporarily set the goodbye_msg to null; that would stop it.

Which seems to point up a flaw in the wording of that entry in the Admin
pages...this isn't just "additional text"...it is also a switch which
turns the message off or on.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Feb  5 00:03:49 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:03:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Speeding up delivery
In-Reply-To: <tg66iv25tw.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
References: <tg66iv25tw.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>
Message-ID: <p05010402b6a38ebdf36d@[207.149.192.229]>

At 14:45 +0100 1/31/01, Florian Weimer wrote:
>Is it possible to tell Mailman to send outgoing mail for a mailing
>list in several separate batches? My mailer (Exim) delivers a message
>for multiple recipients sequentially.  Of course, this is more
>efficient in terms of network usage, but processing several batches in
>parallel is faster (and network bandwidth isn't an issue here).

Exim, if new enough, can be configured to run multiple processes, each
working on some distinct domain in an outgoing message going to multiple
domains.

We haven't yet tried this on the machine running Mailman (because those
lists don't fit the pattern of being large lists with addresses on lots of
domains)...for the machine running Majordomo on a large list, adjusting the
Exim configuration dramatically improved delivery time.  You might also
want to adjust the time Exim is willing to wait for a response from an SMTP
server...we had left that at its default setting (which is to use the host
system's timeout...that timeout jumped hugely either in an update of Linux
or in the earlier switch from BSDi Unix to Linux.  The combination of the
two Exim adjustments reduced the first pass time through the list from well
over 24 hours down to around 2 1/2 hours.

   --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From kkumer at phy.hr  Mon Feb  5 00:52:35 2001
From: kkumer at phy.hr (Kresimir Kumericki)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:52:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mmsitepass: Password change failed
Message-ID: <20010205005235.A19811@phy.hr>

  I just installed mailman 2.0.1 (on FreeBSD 4.2 with Python 2.0) and
everything seems to be working fine apart from one thing:  If I try to
set site administrator password with mmsitepass, as advised in INSTALL,
I get the message "Password change failed". Funny thing is that file
data/adm.pw gets created nevertheless with something that looks like a
regular encrypted password. But it is nonfunctional.  Now, I could live
without administrator password but I have worries that this indicates
that something is wrong with my mailman setup security-wise. I would be
grateful for any ideas and suggestions.
Kresimir

-- 
Kresimir Kumericki    kkumer at phy.hr    http://www.phy.hr/~kkumer/
"Fizika svemira" - http://eskola.hfd.hr/fizika_svemira/svemir.html



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Feb  5 03:07:46 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:37:46 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010204223211.8501V-100000@sprog.auc.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102050734460.1910-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 4, 2001 at 22:53, Barbara Johansen wrote:

>When I add a new list, the list-owner does not get a mail.
>When I try to subscribe through the webpages, I hit a Bug.
>The same when I try to see the admin webpages
>	mailman/admin/4test/ 
>	mailman/admin/4test
>
>Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1
[snip]

>admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save
>admin(9269):     self.__save(dict)
>admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save
>admin(9269):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
>admin(9269): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
>admin(9269): [----- Python Information -----]

It looks like a permissions problem to me. Run bin/check_perms?

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
He's not dead, Jim, he's just metabolically challenged.




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Mon Feb  5 03:46:25 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 18:46:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102050734460.1910-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <3A7E1401.ABD44A96@west.sun.com>


Satya wrote:
> 
> On Feb 4, 2001 at 22:53, Barbara Johansen wrote:
> 
> >When I add a new list, the list-owner does not get a mail.
> >When I try to subscribe through the webpages, I hit a Bug.
> >The same when I try to see the admin webpages
> >       mailman/admin/4test/
> >       mailman/admin/4test
> >
> >Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1
> [snip]
> 
> >admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save
> >admin(9269):     self.__save(dict)
> >admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save
> >admin(9269):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
> >admin(9269): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
> >admin(9269): [----- Python Information -----]
> 
> It looks like a permissions problem to me. Run bin/check_perms?

Or try reading README.LINUX re Openwall.



From brett at cfsc.ottawa.on.ca  Mon Feb  5 03:54:59 2001
From: brett at cfsc.ottawa.on.ca (Brett Delmage)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:54:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError Error 2 unlink problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0102042153480.1517-100000@pannier.cfsc.ottawa.on.ca>

I've RTFM'ed and looked at the files and code. I'm still not sure what
this means in logs/error:

Feb 04 18:08:01 2001 qrunner(13308): Traceback (innermost last):
Feb 04 18:08:01 2001 qrunner(13308):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Feb 04 18:08:01 2001 qrunner(13308):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 04 18:08:01 2001 qrunner(13308):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main
Feb 04 18:08:01 2001 qrunner(13308):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Feb 04 18:08:01 2001 qrunner(13308): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/mailman/qfiles/9557cbc3d1bf86252e8991796ea401081263662b.db'
Feb 04 18:09:02 2001 qrunner(13311): Traceback (innermost last):
Feb 04 18:09:02 2001 qrunner(13311):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Feb 04 18:09:02 2001 qrunner(13311):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 04 18:09:02 2001 qrunner(13311):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 202, in main
Feb 04 18:09:02 2001 qrunner(13311):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Feb 04 18:09:02 2001 qrunner(13311): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/mailman/qfiles/d23e87585feaf5265b61dfb35adbb2ec99e536d8.db'


Everything seems to be working ok otherwise.
Mail is being delivered to subscribers
and pipermail is setting up the messages for the web server.

I don't know if this is related but I am running Postix.
I did use with-mail-gid when installing.

But after reading INSTALL several times and the man page for postalias, I was
unable to understand the (incomplete) instructions referring to
a copy of the alias file where mailman can write to it.
What does this accomplsh? And what, exactly are the steps?
Would this copy and postalias need to be performed every time the alias file
is updated?

Thanks for any answers.

	Brett

-------------------------------
(from INSTALL)
Problem:  I use Postfix for my MTA and the mail wrapper programs
are logging complaints about the wrong GID.

Solution: Create a separate aliases file for Postfix in its
main.cf config file under the variable "alias_maps". Put
the file somewhere in Mailman's home directory, or
somewhere else where the user mailman has write access
to it; *as user mailman* call Postfix's "postalias" on the
alias file.






From madduck at madduck.net  Mon Feb  5 05:38:05 2001
From: madduck at madduck.net (MaD dUCK)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:38:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default password
Message-ID: <20010204233805.A6367@madduck.net>

hi,
when i mass subscribe users to a mailing list i own, what will their
initial password be? blank doesn't seem to work.

thanks,
martin

[greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net
-- 
"Even if you persuade me, you won't persuade me."
                                                       -- aristophanes



From barbara at sprog.auc.dk  Mon Feb  5 09:05:20 2001
From: barbara at sprog.auc.dk (Barbara Johansen)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:05:20 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
In-Reply-To: <3A7E1401.ABD44A96@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010205090011.8501Y-100000@sprog.auc.dk>

Thank you both for answering.

Of cause, I did check permissions after completing the installation. And
I did it igen right now: No problems found.

I also read about openwall in INSTALL.LINUX
But as far as I know we dont have a secure_linux.(I this is something you
have to patch?)
How can I state that?
And where can I set the "restricted hardlinks" to off?

regards Barbara


On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:

> 
> 
> Satya wrote:
> > 
> > On Feb 4, 2001 at 22:53, Barbara Johansen wrote:
> > 
> > >When I add a new list, the list-owner does not get a mail.
> > >When I try to subscribe through the webpages, I hit a Bug.
> > >The same when I try to see the admin webpages
> > >       mailman/admin/4test/
> > >       mailman/admin/4test
> > >
> > >Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1
> > [snip]
> > 
> > >admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save
> > >admin(9269):     self.__save(dict)
> > >admin(9269):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save
> > >admin(9269):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
> > >admin(9269): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
> > >admin(9269): [----- Python Information -----]
> > 
> > It looks like a permissions problem to me. Run bin/check_perms?
> 
> Or try reading README.LINUX re Openwall.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

Barbara B. Johansen
Faculty of Humanities
Computing office
Aalborg University
Kroghstraede 3
DK 9220 Aalborg




From lennu at tietoverkot.net  Mon Feb  5 09:39:40 2001
From: lennu at tietoverkot.net (Len Merikanto)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:39:40 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default password
In-Reply-To: <20010204233805.A6367@madduck.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102051038510.50393-100000@mail.tietoverkot.net>

On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, MaD dUCK wrote:

> hi,
> when i mass subscribe users to a mailing list i own, what will their
> initial password be? blank doesn't seem to work.
> 
> thanks,
> martin
> 
> [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net
> -- 
> "Even if you persuade me, you won't persuade me."
>                                                        -- aristophanes
> 

Doesnt it send their individual passwords in Email sent to subscribed
users? atleast thats what i found out :)

Len Merikanto,		Phone:	+358968691950
Tietoverkot Oy		Mobile:	+358409008494
Munkkisaarenkatu 2	Fax:	+358968691935
00150 Helsinki, Finland





From linux at wildernesscomputing.com  Mon Feb  5 13:40:23 2001
From: linux at wildernesscomputing.com (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default password
References: <20010204233805.A6367@madduck.net>
Message-ID: <002901c08f70$d26027c0$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Have them goto the list info page and click the forgot password button.  I
subscribed over 1400 users to 4 lists without notification.  It chose random
passwords for them.

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: MaD dUCK <madduck at madduck.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:38 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default password


> hi,
> when i mass subscribe users to a mailing list i own, what will their
> initial password be? blank doesn't seem to work.
>
> thanks,
> martin
>
> [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net
> --
> "Even if you persuade me, you won't persuade me."
>                                                        -- aristophanes
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From linux at wildernesscomputing.com  Mon Feb  5 13:41:14 2001
From: linux at wildernesscomputing.com (Matt Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding LOTS of users
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102040832280.3791-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <004401c08f70$efc5ca40$0100a8c0@jenkins>

Thanks everyone this works better since I can grab my local userlist and
send it into the list in a cron event.  Of course I will have to use
sync_members for this.  Is there an online document describing these
programs?  If not maybe I could help in putting together something?

Is there any way to prevent users from removing themselves from a list?

Matt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Satya <satyap at satya.virtualave.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding LOTS of users


> On Feb 3, 2001 at 21:56, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> 
> >Is there a way to add users to a given list from a file containg one
> >username per line?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> Run bin/add_members.
> 
> -- 
> Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
> US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
> Help stamp out, eliminate and abolish redundancy!
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From info at the-winery.com  Mon Feb  5 05:26:15 2001
From: info at the-winery.com (The Winery)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:26:15 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Japanese Translation
Message-ID: <000001c08f73$6220c660$524c80d2@ctynet.ne.jp>

I am currently using Mailman on my site and hope to integrate the Japanese
language for my users. However, I cannot find any place to edit the
Subscription Confirmation Email text. Must I open the source code directly
to do this?


Daren




From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Mon Feb  5 15:40:53 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Storm from vacation messages
In-Reply-To: <3A7C6788.730D0E95@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010205093421.00d5f160@mail.stetson.edu>

We have been running mailman for over a year, and today is the 
second time that we have had a "Mail Storm" caused by someone's 
vacation reply message.  Different person each time.

I upgraded about two weeks ago, after the first storm and am 
running 2.0.1 which seemed to be the latest version 
available.  I caught this mornings storm before it got too far.

To stop this mornings storm I went to the web interface and 
turned mail off to the recipient who was causing the storm.

How can I fix this?  User education is not an option, since 
majordomo has not had this problem.

Thank You in advance for any help that you can give me.

Arthur
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===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From m at whiteywillpay.net  Mon Feb  5 15:56:04 2001
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:56:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nomail question
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0102050953320.22593-100000@qenni.pair.com>

Hello,

I have a list manager who is saying that the way Mailman "used" to work is
that after a list members email bounced a certain number of times, the
nomail option was automatically turned on and that user no longer received
mail, but that a configuration change to our install of Mailman has
stopped this.

We are running Mailman 2.0, and have not made any configuration changes to
it since 2.0 was installed.

Is the behavior he stated actually standard in Mailman, and if so, what
would be done to change this?

Thank in advance for your help.

Matt Singerman
pair Networks
www.pair.com




From dmartin at origen.com  Mon Feb  5 16:01:04 2001
From: dmartin at origen.com (Richard Martin)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:01:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can not check MX records: Bind 9.1
Message-ID: <3A7EC030.E3629CF8@origen.com>

I recently upgraded to Bind 9.1, which seems to be a much more selective
DNS. Since then a recent posting has choked on a couple of unresolvable
addresses, and the cron daemon tries to send the message every two
minute which logs:

"Can not check MX records for recipient host [hostname]"

this is beginning to swell the log and mailman log files.

Question:

1. Is this an artifact of changing to the fussier Bind 9.1, or is there
a mailman setting I have overlooked? Things seemed to be working great
last week.

2. How can I clear the mailman internal queue, or better yet, prevent
this from reoccurring?

Thanks,

--
Richard Martin
OriGen, inc.
Austin, TX 78703





From michael.preminger at jbi.hio.no  Mon Feb  5 16:01:13 2001
From: michael.preminger at jbi.hio.no (Michael Preminger)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:01:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hiding subscribers seems not to work
Message-ID: <3A7EC039.676AC031@jbi.hio.no>

Hello!

I am running v 1.1 of mailman (That what it says down on all the
administration pages) on a Linux.

I wish to hide some user from the publicly available subscriber list.

So I go into membership management, pick the user and click into the
"hide" box.

When I submit my changes the user is still there, the "hide" box is
empty and he is, of course still on the publicly available subscriber
list.

What am I doing wrong, or, is this a bug.
If this is a bug:
1. Do following updates eliminate this bug?
2. How easy is it to update mailman without crushing the existing lists?

Michael
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From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Mon Feb  5 12:08:48 2001
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Jason)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 07:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail problems!
Message-ID: <3A7E89C0.5B519D9A@opensourcedirectory.com>

I was wondering if anyone else was having problems with sendmail setting
up mailman
I have it all compiled and the cgi works fine ... but I can't get
sendmail to recieve the confirmation email
of mailman.  I believe that this is due to the fact that I don't have
the right relay-domain settings (as I can't find documentation anywhere
on what this file should look like)

Any little tidbit of help would be apprecitated.

thanks
j




From jrsamples at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  5 16:27:54 2001
From: jrsamples at earthlink.net (jrsamples at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:27:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BE A MILLIONAIRE IN LESS THAN A YEAR!
Message-ID: <200102051527.HAA00070@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net>

Jerome Kedrowski
3710 W. St Germain #239
St. Cloud, MN 56301
Email jrsamples at earthlink.net



February 3, 2001


This really is worth your valuable time, so...
PLEASE PRINT THIS NOW FOR READING AT YOUR LEASURE, YOU WILL NOT REGREAT IT.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dear Friend, 

You can earn $50,000 or more in next the 90 days sending E-mail. Seem impossible? Read on for details. 
Is there a catch? NO!!! There is no catch. Just send your emails; and, You will be on your way to financial 
freedom. 

AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION: 

Thank you for your time and Interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news Lately. 

Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire 
show to the investigation of the program described below to see, if it really can make people money. 

The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. 
Their findings proved once and for all that there are, absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the 
program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless, and fun way to make some extra 
money at home. 

The results of this show have been truly remarkable. 
So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. 
Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. 
You will understand once you experience it. 

"HERE IT IS BELOW." 
================================================ 
*** Print This Now (IF YOU HAVE NOT already done it) for Future Reference *** 

The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with 
VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 

If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed Program...THEN 
READ IT AGAIN!!! 

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 


THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEYMAKING OPPORTUNITY. 

It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have 
to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've 
been waiting for, THIS IS IT! 

Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This Multi-level e-mail order-marketing 
program work perfectly, 100% of EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of 
this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! 

The longer you wait, the more savvy people will be taking your business using e-mail. Get what is 
rightfully yours. Program yourself for success and dare to think BIG. 

MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard 
Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% 
and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's. 

This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their 
fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics have show that 45 people become 
millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. 

You may have heard this story before, but over the summer, Donald Trump made an appearance on the 
David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from 
scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to 
work. 

The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response 
"That's why I'm sitting up here; and, you are all sitting out there!" 

With network marketing, you have two sources of income. 

Direct commissions from sales you make yourself and commissions from sales made by people you 
introduce to the business. 

Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. 
It means investing time or money once and getting paid again and again and again. In network marketing, it 
also means getting paid for the work of others. 

The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-
read everything and gave some thought and study to it. 




My name is Jonathan Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years 
down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own 
business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, 
and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to 
make ends meet. 

I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT 
MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that 
this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! 

In mid December of 1997, I received this program via e-mail. Six months prior to receiving this program, I 
had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, 
in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial 
investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I would make a 
million dollars in one year... it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! 

But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they 
just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! After reading it several times, to make 
sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. 

I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and 
paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical 
and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-
725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and 
NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." 

Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is 
that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled 
via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is. I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I 
promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. 

In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 
orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. 
IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" 
My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. 


By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ 
ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE 
YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." 
Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of 
my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. 

I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much-needed new car. Please take time to read the attached 
program, 
IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. 
This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your 
name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! 

In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders 
for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! 

If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or 
risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial 
security. 

If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own 
business, consider this a sign. I DID! 

Sincerely, Jonathan Rourke 

PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S
AWESOME! 
------------------------------------------------------
A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: 

By the time you have read the enclosed program, you may have concluded that an amateur could not have 
created such a legal program that works. 

Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business 
began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't 
working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced 
the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. 

I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rates...because many of you know from first 
hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before.


The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. 
Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the 
ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The 
traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to 
that. 

You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO 
RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you 
have ever imagined. 

I should also point out that I would not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a 
testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the 
program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that do this program and 
several other programs here and over seas. 

Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well 
as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the 
people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them! Remember 
though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. 

So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially 
independent, 
IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! 

******************************************************

THINK ABOUT IT:

Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY 
THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the 
worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money!
You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders 
come in. IT WORKS! 

Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA 

******************************************************


HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU 
THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ 

INSTRUCTIONS: 

This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% 
EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days. 

Before you say, "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly 
legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build 
our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to 
recruit new multi-level business partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS 
COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it 
privately in your own home, store, or office. 

This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: 

This is what you MUST do: 

1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). 

* For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & 
NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN 
ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. 

MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE 
IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! 

* When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports. You will need all four reports 
so that you can save them on your computer and resell them.

* Within a few days, you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. 
Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will 
order them from you. 

2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their 
sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out 
on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't 
work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. 

a. Look below for the listing of available reports. 



b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this Advertisement and remove the name and address under 
REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! 

c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.

d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.

e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. 

f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. 

Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! Copy and paste method works well. 

3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO 
changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. 

Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already 
have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE! 

To assist you with marketing your business on the Internet, the 4 reports you purchase will provide you 
with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of 
free classified ads and much, much more. 

There are two primary methods of building your downline: 

METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL 

Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see 
how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also 
assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list, the response could be much better. 
Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with 
this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT 
#1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 
0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. 

Those 100 people mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 
orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% 
response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That amounts to 10,000 each of $5 bills for you in CASH 
MONEY!!! 

Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!! 

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO 
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! 
DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF-SENT OUT 100,000 
PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your 
cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-
mail is FREE !!! 

REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail 
software and where to obtain e-mail lists. 

METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 

1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. 
Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 
people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger 
response). Also, assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. 

Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results Below (same as email example): 

1st level-your 10 members with $5.........$50 
2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).......$500 
3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 
4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) $50,000 

THIS TOTALS ---------------------------$55,550 

Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruits 10 people each. Think for a 
moment what would happen if they got 20 people to 
participate! Most people get 100's of participants! 

THINK ABOUT IT! 

For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS 
PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with 
YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! 


------------------------------------------ 
AVAILABLE REPORTS 
------------------------------------------ 

*** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** 

Notes: 

- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT 
CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED 
- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL 
- Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper
(IF NOT MORE SO THAT THE BILL CAN'T BE SEEN AGAINST LIGHT) 
- On one of those sheets of paper, include: 
(a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, 
(b) your e-mail address, and 
(c) your name & postal address (as return address in case the post office encounters problems). 

PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 
______________________________________________________ 
REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet." 

ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:

JEROME KEDROWSKI
3710 W. ST GERMAIN APT. 239
ST. CLOUD, MN 56301
______________________________________________________ 
REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail 
on the Internet." 

RAF CALUS
4295 MARTIN DRIVE
BOULDER, CO 80305
______________________________________________________ 
REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the
Internet." 

ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:

JEANNE QUINN
1119 PORTSMOUTH AVE
GREENLAND, NH 03840
______________________________________________________ 
REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel
Marketing and the Internet." 

ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:

DONNA MARSH
10520 CAMINITO RIMINI
SAN DIEGO, CA 92129
______________________________________________________ 



About 50,000 new people get online every month! 

******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* 

* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. 

* Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: 

* When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. 

* ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICES ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. 

* Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE 
SUCCESSFUL! 

* ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! 

******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* 

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: 

If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails 
until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you 
don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. 

Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is 
already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! 

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: 

Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. 
You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you 
want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or 
continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate 
from this business! 

Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one 
question..... DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? 
If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 

1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 

2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 

3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE (except for 
bulk mailing cost)! 

4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO 
DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 

5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $20 AND BULK MAILING COST INVESTMENT IS 
YOUR TIME! 

6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 

7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. 

******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* 

This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your 
name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it 
works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do 
choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. 

Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR 
******************************************************

My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. 
Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program, I grumbled to Jody about 
receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and 
percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and 
jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her 
when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me!

Within two weeks, she had received over 50 responses. 
Within 45 days, she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all 
figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven 
more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. 

Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL 
******************************************************


The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, 
and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I 
checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money 
required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. 

Charles Morris, Esq. 
***************************************************

Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But 
conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I 
wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my 
medium-size post office box crammed with orders! 
For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money 
this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where 
people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. 

Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA 
**************************************************

I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of 
course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another 
program. Eleven months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!!! I made more than $41,000 on the 
first try!! 

Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA 
****************************************************

This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the 
beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if 
you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and 
happy spending! 

Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY 
***************************************************
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From jamest at math.ksu.edu  Mon Feb  5 17:03:55 2001
From: jamest at math.ksu.edu (James Thompson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:03:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email based administration
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102050936410.17498-100000@hobbes>

Hello again,

It looks as if my migration to mailman has been stopped dead in it's
tracks :( I have a user that can not stand the web based approval of
email, prefering majordomos mail based approval system.  I don't see
mention of this type of feature anywhere in the docs.  

So is this type of feature planned?

Thanks,
James

->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
James Thompson    138 Cardwell Hall  Manhattan, Ks   66506    785-532-0561 
Kansas State University                          Department of Mathematics
->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<





From brentc at netnet.net  Mon Feb  5 17:17:43 2001
From: brentc at netnet.net (Brent Crier)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:17:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict Postings?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102050936410.17498-100000@hobbes>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0102051011560.18440-100000@fitzgerald.netnet.net>

I'm not sure if this is possible or not. Can you only allow certain users
to post to the list? I dont want the entire list to be able to post. Can
this be done?


-Brent




From jamest at math.ksu.edu  Mon Feb  5 17:40:35 2001
From: jamest at math.ksu.edu (James Thompson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:40:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict Postings?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0102051011560.18440-100000@fitzgerald.netnet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102051037560.17498-100000@hobbes>

I think what you are looking for is under the privacy options.  You could
set the 

Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes
Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) Yes

Then fill in the 

Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
approval

portion with people you want to post to the list w/o approval.

The down side being that you'd have to go in once and a while and discard
any posts that build up in the system.





On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Brent Crier wrote:

> 
> I'm not sure if this is possible or not. Can you only allow certain users
> to post to the list? I dont want the entire list to be able to post. Can
> this be done?
> 
> 
> -Brent
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
James Thompson    138 Cardwell Hall  Manhattan, Ks   66506    785-532-0561 
Kansas State University                          Department of Mathematics
->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<





From brentc at netnet.net  Mon Feb  5 18:00:25 2001
From: brentc at netnet.net (Brent Crier)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:00:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict Postings?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102051037560.17498-100000@hobbes>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0102051046140.18440-100000@fitzgerald.netnet.net>

Thanks for the help. Any Idea how to automate the deletions? Is there a
mail queue that can be purged nightly?


-Brent

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, James Thompson wrote:

> 
> I think what you are looking for is under the privacy options.  You could
> set the 
> 
> Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes
> Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) Yes
> 
> Then fill in the 
> 
> Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
> approval
> 
> portion with people you want to post to the list w/o approval.
> 
> The down side being that you'd have to go in once and a while and discard
> any posts that build up in the system.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Brent Crier wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I'm not sure if this is possible or not. Can you only allow certain users
> > to post to the list? I dont want the entire list to be able to post. Can
> > this be done?
> > 
> > 
> > -Brent
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
> James Thompson    138 Cardwell Hall  Manhattan, Ks   66506    785-532-0561 
> Kansas State University                          Department of Mathematics
> ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Mon Feb  5 18:12:46 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:12:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Require approval for non-members
Message-ID: <1628.216.171.26.197.981393166.squirrel@hutnick.com>

I would like to configure a list so that members post directly, but
non-members require approval.

I really don't want to have to constantly keep a list of all of the
member is the "don't need approval" list.

I'm sorry if I am just missing the option for this or if it is
answered elseware.

-Peter

PS: what's up with the FAQ?  Also, why aren't the list archives
searchable?

-P




From peter at pad.com  Mon Feb  5 18:18:57 2001
From: peter at pad.com (Peter Dominguez)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:18:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases
Message-ID: <20010205121857.A6973@pad.com>

We use the Postfix MTA.  I get the aliases file by using:

newlist -o aliases_file list_name

Is there a command to produce all the aliases for all the lists?

-- 
Peter Dominguez
72 Belvedere Dr
Yonkers, NY 10705-2814
USA

  Tel: 914-423-4000
  Fax: 914-423-8640



From peter at pad.com  Mon Feb  5 19:06:38 2001
From: peter at pad.com (Peter Dominguez)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:06:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] advertise, privacy option
Message-ID: <20010205130638.A600@pad.com>

Even though the following is answered affirmatively:

Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?

listifo says: There currently are no publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists.

Is there something else which needs to be done.

Thanks.

-- 
Peter Dominguez
72 Belvedere Dr
Yonkers, NY 10705-2814
USA

  Tel: 914-423-4000
  Fax: 914-423-8640



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Feb  5 19:17:21 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:47:21 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email based administration
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102050936410.17498-100000@hobbes>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102052340100.612-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 5, 2001 at 10:03, James Thompson wrote:

>It looks as if my migration to mailman has been stopped dead in it's
>tracks :( I have a user that can not stand the web based approval of
>email, prefering majordomos mail based approval system.  I don't see
>mention of this type of feature anywhere in the docs.  

If you are not averse to a Perl-based thing, try
http://satya.virtualave.net/download.html#mailmanw

That is if I understand your problem correctly. Mailman does email-based
confirmation for subscription, and requires a password for unsubscribing.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
Memory fault -- core...uh...um...core... Oh, I forget!




From jamest at math.ksu.edu  Mon Feb  5 20:05:18 2001
From: jamest at math.ksu.edu (James Thompson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:05:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email based administration
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102052340100.612-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102051300240.17498-100000@hobbes>

Thanks for the info.  However it doesn't quite appear to do what I
require.

> That is if I understand your problem correctly. Mailman does email-based
> confirmation for subscription, and requires a password for unsubscribing.
> 

What I am after is email based posting moderation.  With majordomo
incomming mail messages to a moderated list are bounced to the list admin.
The admin recieves a full copy of the mail and can simply forward the
message back to the list with an included approval password.  Majordomo
looks for this password and if correct it removes the password header from
the list and passes the message on to the list.

With mailman the user is forced to open a web browser to approve the
message.  It is also does not include the message awaiting approval when
it notifies the list administrator.  Again this forces the admin to go to
the web to read the message to discover if it is urgent in nature.

Take Care,
James

->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<
James Thompson    138 Cardwell Hall  Manhattan, Ks   66506    785-532-0561 
Kansas State University                          Department of Mathematics
->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->---<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<





From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Feb  5 20:43:47 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:43:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010205090011.8501Y-100000@sprog.auc.dk>; from barbara@sprog.auc.dk on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:05:20AM +0100
References: <3A7E1401.ABD44A96@west.sun.com> <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010205090011.8501Y-100000@sprog.auc.dk>
Message-ID: <20010205114347.D22122@marc.merlins.org>

On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:05:20AM +0100, Barbara Johansen wrote:
> Thank you both for answering.
> 
> Of cause, I did check permissions after completing the installation. And
> I did it igen right now: No problems found.
> 
> I also read about openwall in INSTALL.LINUX
> But as far as I know we dont have a secure_linux.(I this is something you
> have to patch?)
> How can I state that?
> And where can I set the "restricted hardlinks" to off?

You got to recompile the kernel. I'm told Linux-Mandrake has two kernels
though.

Anyway, another option is to just copy securelinux_fix.py from the contrib
dir in the source code tree to ~mailman/bin, and run it.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com  Mon Feb  5 21:44:17 2001
From: Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com (Fazal Aslam)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 14:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving attachments
Message-ID: <3A7F10A1.9E478DF4@Tellabs.com>

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From barbara at sprog.auc.dk  Mon Feb  5 21:53:31 2001
From: barbara at sprog.auc.dk (Barbara Johansen)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 21:53:31 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
In-Reply-To: <20010205114347.D22122@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010205213811.8501p-100000@sprog.auc.dk>

> Anyway, another option is to just copy securelinux_fix.py from the contrib
> dir in the source code tree to ~mailman/bin, and run it.
> 
> Marc

I did.
Nothing changed.
No notification mail to the owner.
Hit a bug when I try to subscribe through the webpage.
This results in an error in the mailman/logs/error (at the end og this
mail)
I wonder if it's the serurelinux_fix.py who is setting a capital S in some
of the directories? What does that mean?

I also wonder what the securelinux_fix means with

	 run %(PROGRAM) -f
What does PROGRAM stands for?

Here comes the error log. Can you figure out what's wrong?


Feb 05 21:53:18 2001 (27075) Delivery exception: 
Feb 05 21:53:18 2001 (27075) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "../Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "../Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
    mlist.Lock()
  File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
    raise AlreadyLockedError
AlreadyLockedError: 

Feb 05 21:53:18 2001 admin(27075):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(27075): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.1 -----]
admin(27075): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(27075): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(27075):   File "/pack/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(27075):     main()
admin(27075):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 55, in main
admin(27075):     mlist.Save()
admin(27075):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save
admin(27075):     self.__save(dict)
admin(27075):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save
admin(27075):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(27075): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(27075): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(27075): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, May  9 2000, 15:05:56)  [GCC
2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)]
admin(27075): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(27075): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(27075): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(27075): sys.path       = /usr
admin(27075): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(27075): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(27075):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/httpd/html
admin(27075):   SERVER_ADDR: 130.225.50.60
admin(27075):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(27075):   CONTENT_LENGTH: 82
admin(27075):   CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(27075):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/httpd/html/test44
admin(27075):   REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.209.2
admin(27075):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
admin(27075):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: da
admin(27075):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(27075):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(27075):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(27075):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0;
Windows NT; DigExt)
admin(27075):   HTTP_ACCEPT: application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, */*
admin(27075):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/test44
admin(27075):   QUERY_STRING: 
admin(27075):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /pack/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
admin(27075):   PATH_INFO: /test44
admin(27075):   HTTP_HOST: miiisp.control.auc.dk
admin(27075):   REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(27075):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
admin(27075):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe
admin(27075):   SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(27075):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.12
(NetRevolution/Linux-Mandrake) PHP/3.0.16 mod_perl/1.22
admin(27075):   PYTHONPATH: /pack/mailman
admin(27075):   HTTP_REFERER:
http://miiisp.control.auc.dk/mailman/listinfo/test44
admin(27075):   SERVER_NAME: www.miiisp.control.auc.dk
admin(27075):   REMOTE_PORT: 1369

regards 
Barbara




From DWat161890 at aol.com  Mon Feb  5 22:06:12 2001
From: DWat161890 at aol.com (DWat161890 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:06:12 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vacation removal
Message-ID: <fd.1f076a7.27b06fc5@aol.com>

Could my name be temporarily removed from the list as I will be on vacation from 2/10/01 tp 2/26/01, dwat161890 at aol.com.

Thank you
Darlene Watkins



From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Feb  5 22:37:44 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:37:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010205213811.8501p-100000@sprog.auc.dk>; from barbara@sprog.auc.dk on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:53:31PM +0100
References: <20010205114347.D22122@marc.merlins.org> <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010205213811.8501p-100000@sprog.auc.dk>
Message-ID: <20010205133744.J22122@marc.merlins.org>

On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:53:31PM +0100, Barbara Johansen wrote:
> > Anyway, another option is to just copy securelinux_fix.py from the contrib
> > dir in the source code tree to ~mailman/bin, and run it.
> > 
> > Marc
> 
> I did.
> Nothing changed.
> No notification mail to the owner.
> Hit a bug when I try to subscribe through the webpage.
> This results in an error in the mailman/logs/error (at the end og this
> mail)
> I wonder if it's the serurelinux_fix.py who is setting a capital S in some
> of the directories? What does that mean?
> 
> I also wonder what the securelinux_fix means with
> 
> 	 run %(PROGRAM) -f
> What does PROGRAM stands for?
> 
> Here comes the error log. Can you figure out what's wrong?
> 
> 
> Feb 05 21:53:18 2001 (27075) Delivery exception: 
> Feb 05 21:53:18 2001 (27075) Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "../Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "../Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
>     mlist.Lock()
>   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
>   File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
>     raise AlreadyLockedError
> AlreadyLockedError: 

Yeah, you have some old locks left behind due to the problem you had.
rm ~mailman/locks/* and things should be better after that.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com  Mon Feb  5 23:03:47 2001
From: Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com (Fazal Aslam)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 16:03:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive
Message-ID: <3A7F2343.1C731EA2@Tellabs.com>

archive
Hi,

Do you guys know if mail man can archive
pdfs and gifs? I know that they can but what
i mean is if i go to the archive and view it
all get is garbage..

Thanks




From travisll at comfedcu.org  Mon Feb  5 23:07:43 2001
From: travisll at comfedcu.org (Travis Llewellyn)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:07:43 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Threading Problem
Message-ID: <9BEC938FC276D411BA0A00508BC9979402FDFE@exchange.comfedcu.com>

I have just installed Mailman 2.01 and am having a problem when viewing
archives. Nothing is showing up as a thread everything is showing as its own
thread. 

Is there something I did wrong or is this a know problem with a workaround.

Any help would be appreciated.

Travis Llewellyn
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From peter at pad.com  Mon Feb  5 23:53:08 2001
From: peter at pad.com (Peter Dominguez)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:53:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] requiring special e-mail address format
Message-ID: <20010205175308.A1002@pad.com>

I would like to require on some of our e-mail lists that for new
subscriptions address be in the form: "Proper Name
<email at address.com>". Can this be done with mailman?

I am required to keep track of real names on the list.

Thanks,


-- 
Peter Dominguez
72 Belvedere Dr
Yonkers, NY 10705-2814
USA

  Tel: 914-423-4000
  Fax: 914-423-8640



From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Tue Feb  6 02:30:45 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 17:30:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
In-Reply-To: <3A7CB855.3381EC0D@west.sun.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010203092942.04966a20@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010205165139.05274258@mail.atfantasy.com>

At 06:03 PM 2/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>If you've really been through the archives discussion, then you've seen
>
>1) a way to disable them, and
>2) the overwhelming opinion that it is a really bad idea, and
>3) several different ways for your users to avoid seeing the headers if
>their sensibilities are so delicate.
>
>There's really nothing more to say than what you say you've read.

I spent an hour browsing through the archives trying to read everything 
relating to the issue at hand and wishing the archives were 
searchable.  After that, I subscribed to the mailing list and asked for help.

According to you, I should have seen a way to disable the headers.  I did 
NOT,  but you should have known this, since my message to the list was 
asking for help finding it.

You're saying it's a "really bad idea".  I appreciate your candor, but my 
message was very explicit in stating I wasn't trying, nor do I want, to 
debate the issue.

It's actually pretty simple, Dan.  I upgraded the software and my users 
made a request.  I'm trying to fulfill that request.  Having you make gross 
assumptions and calling me a liar is really lame.  You shouldn't have 
bothered to respond.  On the other hand, having you reply with answers to 
the questions I posed in my original message would be very cool and really 
helpful.

-Ed




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Tue Feb  6 02:33:06 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:33:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010205165139.05274258@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102051730100.14040-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote:
> According to you, I should have seen a way to disable the headers.  I did
> NOT,  but you should have known this, since my message to the list was
> asking for help finding it.

The only way to do it was mentioned several times: find and remove the
Python code that adds them.  I assume, if you do this for a living, that
you know how to use a text editor and a search tool.

> It's actually pretty simple, Dan.  I upgraded the software and my users
> made a request.  I'm trying to fulfill that request.

If your users asked you to make changes to the messages that were not
RFC822-compliant, would you do so just because they asked?  Sometimes
education, not capitulation, is your job.

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue Feb  6 03:12:26 2001
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 11:12:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Japanese Translation
References: <20010205144327.24E6FEAAF@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A7F5D8A.D9A7092C@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> 

>   ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Japanese Translation
> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:26:15 +0900
> From: "The Winery" <info at the-winery.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> 
> I am currently using Mailman on my site and hope to integrate the Japanese
> language for my users. However, I cannot find any place to edit the
> Subscription Confirmation Email text. Must I open the source code directly
> to do this?
> 
> Daren
> 

there is a japanized version of Mailman at 
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/
I hope you can read the japanese documentation there,
because there are more to do on encoding conversion
(ISO-2022-JP and EUC-JP) to correctly handle the 
messages.

--



From lists at thoene.net  Tue Feb  6 03:25:52 2001
From: lists at thoene.net (Matt Thoene)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:25:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010205165139.05274258@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKFGALMECDPKMIPIGEONEDAA.lists@thoene.net>

You need to go easy on Dan...he knows everything and a bag of chips
regarding MailMan.

Did you try just a plain google search for the issues mentioned?  I did this
with a problem I was having and after an exhaustive search found a post on
some mirrored MailMan list from...guess who....Dan.  Crazy net world out
there isn't it?

-Matt

::-----Original Message-----
::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ed Lazor
::Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 5:31 PM
::To: Dan Mick
::Cc: mailman-users at python.org
::Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
::
::
::At 06:03 PM 2/3/2001 -0800, you wrote:
::>If you've really been through the archives discussion, then you've seen
::>
::>1) a way to disable them, and
::>2) the overwhelming opinion that it is a really bad idea, and
::>3) several different ways for your users to avoid seeing the headers if
::>their sensibilities are so delicate.
::>
::>There's really nothing more to say than what you say you've read.
::
::I spent an hour browsing through the archives trying to read everything
::relating to the issue at hand and wishing the archives were
::searchable.  After that, I subscribed to the mailing list and
::asked for help.
::
::According to you, I should have seen a way to disable the headers.  I did
::NOT,  but you should have known this, since my message to the list was
::asking for help finding it.
::
::You're saying it's a "really bad idea".  I appreciate your candor, but my
::message was very explicit in stating I wasn't trying, nor do I want, to
::debate the issue.
::
::It's actually pretty simple, Dan.  I upgraded the software and my users
::made a request.  I'm trying to fulfill that request.  Having you
::make gross
::assumptions and calling me a liar is really lame.  You shouldn't have
::bothered to respond.  On the other hand, having you reply with answers to
::the questions I posed in my original message would be very cool
::and really
::helpful.
::
::-Ed
::
::
::------------------------------------------------------
::Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
::http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
::




From dmartin at origen.com  Tue Feb  6 03:40:47 2001
From: dmartin at origen.com (Richard Martin)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:40:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stuck outgoing message
Message-ID: <3A7F642F.C09AC238@origen.com>

I am refining the definition of the problem 'Can not check MX records'

Apparently there is a bad address in the users list, bad in the respect
that the destination server has a broken MX record. consequently, the
posted message is patiently waiting in queue, hitting a brick wall every
minute.

How can I flush out or delete messages queued by Mailman?  I have looked
thorough the directories and archives, but I can't seem to locate much
on this one.

--
Richard Martin
OriGen, inc.
Austin, TX 78703





From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Tue Feb  6 04:07:28 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 19:07:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
In-Reply-To: <NCBBLKFGALMECDPKMIPIGEONEDAA.lists@thoene.net>
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010205165139.05274258@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010205190516.05296048@mail.atfantasy.com>

Hi Matt =)

At 06:25 PM 2/5/2001 -0800, Matt Thoene wrote:
>You need to go easy on Dan...he knows everything and a bag of chips
>regarding MailMan.

Nod.  I could tell.  I'd classify his response as one of those "oh god, not 
another
stupid newbie question!".  hehe

>Did you try just a plain google search for the issues mentioned?

No.  I didn't and I think that's a great idea.  Thanks! =)

-Ed




From khj at cs.appstate.edu  Tue Feb  6 05:15:34 2001
From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 05 Feb 2001 23:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Truly Private Archives
Message-ID: <e1ytcih09.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>

I posted the following a few weeks ago, but saw no responses:

  |I have a hunch I'm just being dense/stupid, but I'm not sure how to
  |make (at least some) list archives unreadable on the 'Mailman' host.
  |
  |It appears everything under ~mailman has at least `--x' permissions
  |for the world/others and many have 'r-x' or just 'r--'.
  |
  |What do I do to make list archives *unreadable* locally?

Anyone on the local 'Mailman' machine can -- with even a little
knowledge of Mailman's directory structure and hosted mailing lists --
simply 'cd' to one of the "archives" sub-dirs and "read away".

What if the permissions of /usr/local/etc/mailman (~mailman) are set
to:
        drwxrws---  mailman  mailman


instead of the current:

        drwxrwsr-x  mailman  mailman      ?


Will the *entire* Mailman system still work correctly?

Thanks for your comments!

  -Kenneth



From karthy at SunSITE.dk  Tue Feb  6 08:36:48 2001
From: karthy at SunSITE.dk (Karsten Thygesen)
Date: 6 Feb 2001 07:36:48 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-id?
Message-ID: <20010206073648.8115.qmail@karthy.net>

Hi

When people subscribe, using the web, and mailman sendt the mail with
the secret to prove your identity, it sends it without any Message-Id
line. I process mails using SMTP to my local qmail installation (so
SMTP to localhost) and qmail does not add any Message-Id either.

The result is, that the mail is delivered to the target users mailhost
without any Message-Id line at all, and some mailsystem is configured
to performs header check and will reject such mails.

So - is this a bug in Mailman or Qmail? 

Karsten



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Feb  6 08:51:54 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 01:51:54 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-id?
In-Reply-To: <20010206073648.8115.qmail@karthy.net>; from karthy@SunSITE.dk on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:36:48AM -0000
References: <20010206073648.8115.qmail@karthy.net>
Message-ID: <20010206015154.D23980@mallorn.com>

> When people subscribe, using the web, and mailman sendt the mail with
> the secret to prove your identity, it sends it without any Message-Id
> line. I process mails using SMTP to my local qmail installation (so
> SMTP to localhost) and qmail does not add any Message-Id either.

If qmail doesn't add a Message-Id: header it's not reasonable to expect
Mailman to insert one either.  However, RFC 822 specifically states that
a Message-Id: header is *optional*, so Mailman isn't violating anything
by not adding one.

> The result is, that the mail is delivered to the target users mailhost
> without any Message-Id line at all, and some mailsystem is configured
> to performs header check and will reject such mails.

The systems that reject emails without Message-Id: headers are non-RFC
compliant and should be flogged.  Sending 10MB attachments with the 
envelope sender set to postmaster at broken.example.com without a Message-Id:
is the only appropriate course of action...  (no, I'm only kidding about
this last sentence).

Chris



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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:46:06
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses
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From karthy at SunSITE.dk  Tue Feb  6 10:09:10 2001
From: karthy at SunSITE.dk (Karsten Thygesen)
Date: 06 Feb 2001 10:09:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-id?
In-Reply-To: <20010206015154.D23980@mallorn.com>
References: <20010206073648.8115.qmail@karthy.net>
	<20010206015154.D23980@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <87k874gouh.fsf@karthy.net>

>>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher P Lindsey <lindsey at mallorn.com> writes:

 Christopher> If qmail doesn't add a Message-Id: header it's not
 Christopher> reasonable to expect Mailman to insert one either.
 Christopher> However, RFC 822 specifically states that a Message-Id:
 Christopher> header is *optional*, so Mailman isn't violating
 Christopher> anything by not adding one.

Uhh... I was pretty sure, that Message-Id was mandatory, but now that
I have read the RFC (again), I can see you are right...

Well - I rest my case :-) and I will inform the rejecting mailhosts
postmaster.

Thanks for the info,
Karsten



From jcn at storytime.org  Tue Feb  6 10:37:06 2001
From: jcn at storytime.org (Jesse Chan-Norris)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 04:37:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010205190516.05296048@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0102060435290.5915-100000@loco.motives.com>

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote:

> >Did you try just a plain google search for the issues mentioned?
>
> No.  I didn't and I think that's a great idea.  Thanks! =)


Remember too that there are the archives, searchable, at
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users at python.org/




From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Tue Feb  6 14:19:19 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 07:19:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses
In-Reply-To: <20010206181049.A5694615@murasaki.gol.ad.jp>
References: <20010206181049.A5694615@murasaki.gol.ad.jp>
Message-ID: <1266.216.140.158.162.981465559.squirrel@hutnick.com>

This ties in nicely with a question that I asked earlier.

Is there a way to configure Mailman so that subscribers do not need 
approval, but non-subscribers do?

> 	Do you think we can fix this, or everyone is going
> 	to be unsubscribing to avoid the spam ...
> 
>> 
>> TO BE REMOVED FROM FUTURE MAILINGS, SIMPLY REPLY TO THIS 
>> MESSAGE AND PUT
>> "REMOVE" IN THE SUBJECT.
>> 
>  
> 	Who thinks anyone gives a sh** about congress outside
> 	of the US... Idiot spammers.
>  
>> Please NOTE: 
>> 
>> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
>> religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging
>> the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the
>> people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for
>> a redress of grievances.
>> 
>> Amendment I, The US Constitution
>> 

I suppose this is meant to imply that spammers theft of service is 
protected free speech?

Wow, I have some things on my mind (actually just scams to sell) I 
suppose I could break into the local newspaper and print off some 
stuff one their presses at there expense, then hide behind the 
Constitution.

-Peter




From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Tue Feb  6 14:21:35 2001
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:21:35 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only (was: 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses)
In-Reply-To: <1266.216.140.158.162.981465559.squirrel@hutnick.com> from Peter
 Hutnick at "Feb 6, 2001 07:19:19 am"
Message-ID: <200102061321.OAA62258@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to Peter Hutnick:
> This ties in nicely with a question that I asked earlier.
> 
> Is there a way to configure Mailman so that subscribers do not need 
> approval, but non-subscribers do?

Isn't that the option "Restrict posting privilege to list members?
(member_posting_only)" on "privacy" ?

> >> Amendment I, The US Constitution

Too bad that Austrian laws that forbid SPAM are unconstitutional
in the US...

+gg
 
-- 
Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at  Fax: +43/1/31336/702  g.gonter at ieee.org
Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria
"If we don't have Microsoft's blessing, then what's the point?" -anon.



From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Tue Feb  6 14:41:15 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 07:41:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only (was: 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses)
In-Reply-To: <200102061321.OAA62258@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>
References: <200102061321.OAA62258@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>
Message-ID: <1375.216.140.158.162.981466875.squirrel@hutnick.com>

> According to Peter Hutnick:
>> This ties in nicely with a question that I asked earlier.
>> 
>> Is there a way to configure Mailman so that subscribers do not
>> need  approval, but non-subscribers do?
> 
> Isn't that the option "Restrict posting privilege to list
> members? (member_posting_only)" on "privacy" ?

Yes.  Somehow I got it in my head that this turned on the list box 
below.

Does non-subscriber mail bounce?  I'd like to be able to configure 
this.  I would actually like to have non-subscriber mail held for 
approval.  Call me the human spam filter!

-Peter




From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Tue Feb  6 14:42:50 2001
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:42:50 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only (was: 20 Million Fresh E-mail
 Addresses)
In-Reply-To: <1375.216.140.158.162.981466875.squirrel@hutnick.com> from Peter
 Hutnick at "Feb 6, 2001 07:41:15 am"
Message-ID: <200102061342.OAA101414@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to Peter Hutnick:
> Does non-subscriber mail bounce?  I'd like to be able to configure 
> this.  I would actually like to have non-subscriber mail held for 
> approval.  Call me the human spam filter!

Non-subscriber mail is held for approval, just like moderated lists.

+gg
 
-- 
Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at  Fax: +43/1/31336/702  g.gonter at ieee.org
Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria
"If we don't have Microsoft's blessing, then what's the point?" -anon.



From peter at pad.com  Tue Feb  6 15:10:11 2001
From: peter at pad.com (Peter Dominguez)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is is possible to...
Message-ID: <20010206091011.B6260@pad.com>

Store a subscriber's real name along with their e-mail address when a user
subscribes. i.e. "real name <joe at work.com>

Thanks


-- 
Peter Dominguez
72 Belvedere Dr
Yonkers, NY 10705-2814
USA

  Tel: 914-423-4000
  Fax: 914-423-8640



From dmartin at origen.com  Tue Feb  6 15:44:45 2001
From: dmartin at origen.com (Richard Martin)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:44:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stuck outgoing message, MX, DNS
References: <3A7F642F.C09AC238@origen.com> <14975.65047.849780.342034@rr.gfoster.com>
Message-ID: <3A800DDD.F20866E3@origen.com>

I am posting this solution back to the list so the title will be searchable.

In addition to changing the sendmail.mc file, one can hand edit the sendmail.cf
file and change the Timeout.rcpt setting.  In many default configurations, this
line is merely commented out.

Glen Foster wrote:

> It is not just bad MX records, many DNS irregularities are responsible
> for this behaviour.  It is because sendmail considers unavailable
> domain resolutions potential SPAM.
>
> The sendmail configuration parameter
>
> define(`confTO_RCPT',`60m')dnl
>
> governs how long sendmail will try to resolve a RCPT.  It can be
> significantly shortened without too much difficulty.  However, setting
> it too short will result in non-delivery to legitimate addresses that
> are behind slow, busy, or intermittent links.  See the sendmail docs.
>
> Alternatively, you can set sendmail to queue incoming messages rather
> than trying immediate delivery by putting this in your .mc file:
>
> define(`confDELIVERY_MODE',`defer')dnl
>
> Then sendmail will accept and try to deliver these, and bounce them
> back if undelivered after the usual delay.  The bounces are then
> processed by Mailman to clean the list.
>
> Note that circumventing the anti-SPAM measures may have undesireable
> effects on publically-available MTAs.  However, in practice, I haven't
> run into serious problems doing it.
>
> If you do this, there are other operational tunings that you may want
> to investigate including limiting the number of daemons sendmail is
> running simultaneously.
>
> Of course, after customizing your .mc file you have to re-generate
> your sendmail.cf and restart sendmail.
>
> If you don't want to change your sendmail configuration, the only
> alternative is to manually delete the hanging messages from
> ~mailman/qfiles.  Each message is represented by two files, the
> message itself (*.msg) and a control file (*.db).  The
> ~mailman/bin/dumpdb program will show the contents of the control
> file.  You should turn off qrunner while you are manipulating the
> queue files.
>
> Finally, if you do nothing, eventually the qfiles will time out and be
> deleted.  There is a parameter in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py that
> controls how long this is.  But this will make delivery logy for
> legitimate recipients and bounce processing is not performed.  Other
> parameters can be adjusted (e.g. shortening the time qrunner has to
> deliver) as well.
>
> I've tried all these, you get the most mileage out of configuring
> sendmail to defer delivery.
>
> Good luck,
> Glen Foster <gfoster at gfoster.com>
>
> Richard Martin writes:
>  > I am refining the definition of the problem 'Can not check MX records'
>  >
>  > Apparently there is a bad address in the users list, bad in the respect
>  > that the destination server has a broken MX record. consequently, the
>  > posted message is patiently waiting in queue, hitting a brick wall every
>  > minute.
>  >
>  > How can I flush out or delete messages queued by Mailman?  I have looked
>  > thorough the directories and archives, but I can't seem to locate much
>  > on this one.
>  >
>  > --
>  > Richard Martin
>  > OriGen, inc.
>  > Austin, TX 78703

--
Richard Martin
OriGen, inc.
Austin, TX 78703





From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Feb  6 16:53:33 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:53:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is is possible to...
In-Reply-To: <20010206091011.B6260@pad.com>; from peter@pad.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:10:11AM -0500
References: <20010206091011.B6260@pad.com>
Message-ID: <20010206095333.D22440@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:10:11AM -0500, Peter Dominguez wrote:
> Store a subscriber's real name along with their e-mail address when a user
> subscribes. i.e. "real name <joe at work.com>

<OpenSourceZealotry>
Of course it's possible - you have the source!
</OpenSourceZealotry>

More to the point, though, no, the standard Mailman code base doesn't support
that.  It only deals with addresses and isn't even aware that addresses are
associated with users or that users have names.

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From canario.joe at teleline.es  Tue Feb  6 18:57:07 2001
From: canario.joe at teleline.es (CJoe)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:57:07 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re[2]: 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses
In-Reply-To: <1266.216.140.158.162.981465559.squirrel@hutnick.com>
References: <20010206181049.A5694615@murasaki.gol.ad.jp>
 <1266.216.140.158.162.981465559.squirrel@hutnick.com>
Message-ID: <97672654.20010206175707@teleline.es>

I  am  not  sure  about  the Mailman spamfilters *but* those
involved  in  the  development of the app might have a close
look  at  Listserv (the one from LSoft) and how that package
handles spam: there is a worldwide net which detects spam in
minutes  and blocks off any further attempts to flood people
with   unsolicited   material.   Someone  may  subscribe  to
1-5-10-50 lists but not to hundreds or thousands ...

This will be an important issue for Mailman managers now and
in the future.

cheers,

canario.joe at teleline.es
___

peter-lists at hutnick.com

PH> This ties in nicely with a question that I asked earlier.

PH> Is there a way to configure Mailman so that subscribers do not need 
PH> approval, but non-subscribers do?

>>       Do you think we can fix this, or everyone is going
>>       to be unsubscribing to avoid the spam ...
>> 
>>> 
>>> TO BE REMOVED FROM FUTURE MAILINGS, SIMPLY REPLY TO THIS 
>>> MESSAGE AND PUT
>>> "REMOVE" IN THE SUBJECT.





From omar at dit.upm.es  Tue Feb  6 19:22:58 2001
From: omar at dit.upm.es (Omar Walid Llorente)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 19:22:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail address
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102061903280.32034-100000@oasis.dit.upm.es>

	Hi, one of my lists admins had put on the Membership
Management Section an incorrect mail address. Exactly what
he put is:
basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis
and that is what shows the Membership page.

	As far as i know this could modify the mailman behaviour
(version i'm using is 1.1) because the " char. So i need two
things:

	1. Learn to modify the config.db database to correct the
address (is impossible to unsubscribe this user through the
normal method). Only appear first 3 of the 7 radial buttons
(subscr, hide, nomail, ack, not metoo, digest, plain).
	2. Know if this incorrect address may cause any list
disfunction (other than being not able to include the correct
mail address in the list, though when you try to subscribe this
user appears the message: Successfully Subscribed:
basanez at ioc.upc.es).

	Thanks a lot.

	Omar.

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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb  6 21:30:45 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:30:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers question?
References: <NCBBLKFGALMECDPKMIPIGEONEDAA.lists@thoene.net>
Message-ID: <3A805EF5.17C5DD5F@west.sun.com>

> You need to go easy on Dan...he knows everything and a bag of chips
> regarding MailMan.

Good heavens, no.  I just act like it.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb  6 21:32:31 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:32:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stuck outgoing message
References: <3A7F642F.C09AC238@origen.com>
Message-ID: <3A805F5F.FF531EEC@west.sun.com>


Richard Martin wrote:
> 
> I am refining the definition of the problem 'Can not check MX records'
> 
> Apparently there is a bad address in the users list, bad in the respect
> that the destination server has a broken MX record. consequently, the
> posted message is patiently waiting in queue, hitting a brick wall every
> minute.
> 
> How can I flush out or delete messages queued by Mailman?  I have looked
> thorough the directories and archives, but I can't seem to locate much
> on this one.

That's because it doesn't involve Mailman.  Mailman has given the message to
your MTA; it's now the MTA who is (correctly) retrying delivery.

If you feel you must violate the accepted timeout periods helping to 
ensure reliable Internet mail delivery, or if you just want to punish this 
user for having flaky DNS, you can probably remove queued messages by hand
(if it's sendmail) or perhaps with some more-complex procedure (for some
other MTA).



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb  6 21:35:35 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:35:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses
References: <20010206181049.A5694615@murasaki.gol.ad.jp> <1266.216.140.158.162.981465559.squirrel@hutnick.com>
Message-ID: <3A806017.4BD96088@west.sun.com>

> Is there a way to configure Mailman so that subscribers do not need
> approval, but non-subscribers do?

So, have you looked at the administration pages at all?

Privacy Options/General posting filters/Restrict posting privilege to list members?

might be germane, I dunno.



From rone at macromedia.com  Tue Feb  6 21:45:59 2001
From: rone at macromedia.com (Ron Echeverri)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 12:45:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User subscribe generates EOF error
Message-ID: <20010206204559.00A49212D@karach.macromedia.com>

This occurs whenever a user goes to /mailman/listinfo/list-name and
attempts to subscribe himself via the interface there.  Manual
subscriptions via the admin interface work fine.  This had been
working until recently, when we moved the whole /home/mailman
directory to a separate machine; the ownerships and permissions were
preserved, but i'm thinking there might be some stale file somewhere...

This is mailman 1.1 + python 1.5.2 on SunOS 5.6.

thanks
rone
=====
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 161, in main
    list.AddMember(email, pw, digest, remote)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 893, in AddMember
    cookie = Pending().new(name, password, digest)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 67, in new
    db = self.__load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", line 97, in __load
    return marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Environment variables:
   DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/apache/htdocs
   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, compress
   CONTENT_LENGTH 84
   CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded
   PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/apache/htdocs/all_users
   REMOTE_ADDR 10.21.0.44
   SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0
   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en
   GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
   SERVER_PORT 80
   TZ US/Pacific
   HTTP_USER_AGENT Lynx/2.8.3rel.1 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1
   OpenSSL/0.9.4
   HTTP_ACCEPT text/html, text/plain, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01
   REQUEST_URI /mailman/subscribe/all_users
   HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL no-cache
   PATH
   /usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/ucb:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/openwin/
   etc:/usr/local/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/opt/SUNWmd/sbin:/home/mailman/bin
   :/home/majordomo/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin
   QUERY_STRING
   SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
   PATH_INFO /all_users
   HTTP_HOST lists.macromedia.com
   REQUEST_METHOD POST
   SERVER_SIGNATURE
    Apache/1.3.6 Server at lists.macromedia.com Port 80
   SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/subscribe
   SERVER_ADMIN mailman at macromedia.com
   SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.6 (Unix)
   PYTHONPATH /home/mailman
   HTTP_REFERER
   http://lists.macromedia.com/mailman/listinfo/all_users
   HTTP_PRAGMA no-cache
   SERVER_NAME lists.macromedia.com
   REMOTE_PORT 1119
-- 
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UNIX Engineer			Desk:	x2149
Macromedia, Inc.		Cell:	+1-415-2547942
<URL:http://ite/~rone/>		Pager:	+1-888-6585681



From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Tue Feb  6 22:00:07 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:00:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses
In-Reply-To: <3A806017.4BD96088@west.sun.com>
References: <3A806017.4BD96088@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <2180.216.171.26.197.981493207.squirrel@hutnick.com>

As I said earlier, I (for no good reason) thought this option "turned on" the "without implicit approval" field below.

Maybe it is time for glasses (or just a nap.)

Someone replied that this option sends non-member messages to the list admin.  Is there a way to just blackhole them?

-Peter

> 
>> Is there a way to configure Mailman so that subscribers do not
>> need approval, but non-subscribers do?
> 
> So, have you looked at the administration pages at all?
> 
> Privacy Options/General posting filters/Restrict posting
> privilege to list members?
> 
> might be germane, I dunno.


-- 
Get my PGP key at http://www.hutnick.com/pgp




From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Feb  6 22:24:35 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:24:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail address
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102061903280.32034-100000@oasis.dit.upm.es>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102061903280.32034-100000@oasis.dit.upm.es>
Message-ID: <p05010400b6a619fb898b@[207.149.192.229]>

At 19:22 +0100 2/6/01, Omar Walid Llorente wrote:

>	Hi, one of my lists admins had put on the Membership
>Management Section an incorrect mail address. Exactly what
>he put is:
>basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis
>and that is what shows the Membership page.
>

>	As far as i know this could modify the mailman behaviour
>(version i'm using is 1.1) because the " char. So i need two
>things:
>
>	1. Learn to modify the config.db database to correct the
>address (is impossible to unsubscribe this user through the
>normal method). Only appear first 3 of the 7 radial buttons
>(subscr, hide, nomail, ack, not metoo, digest, plain).

Well, the first checkbox is the subscr checkbox, which you say is
present...uncheck that and submit changes and the subscriber *may* be
removed.  On the other hand, the spaces and quote may prevent it.  Or
Mailman 1.1 may not work that way.

Are you saying you tried that and it failed?  Here, in a test list I
haven't gotten around to deleting (yet), I was able to add the above faulty
address.  It showed up without the
' "luis' and I was able to delete it fine by unchecking subscr for the
member and submitting changes.  Perhaps I didn't make the same error.
Perhaps Mailman 2.0 deals with the bad address better (I've never run 1.1).

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From roessler at does-not-exist.org  Tue Feb  6 22:45:04 2001
From: roessler at does-not-exist.org (Thomas Roessler)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:45:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
Message-ID: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org>

A frequently recurring question from members of a list I manage is
how they can change their addresses.  Of course, this can simply be
done by unsubscribing and resubscribing, but it seems that most list
members would expect an option like this on their membership
management page.

Cheers,
-- 
Thomas Roessler			    <roessler at does-not-exist.org>



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb  6 23:18:02 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:18:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
References: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org>
Message-ID: <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com>


Thomas Roessler wrote:
> 
> A frequently recurring question from members of a list I manage is
> how they can change their addresses.  Of course, this can simply be
> done by unsubscribing and resubscribing, but it seems that most list
> members would expect an option like this on their membership
> management page.

Explain to these users that there is no "identity" they have on the mailing
list except their subscription name; "danmick at yahoo.com" is a completely different
person than "dmick at west.sun.com" as far as the software is concerned.  So there
really is no difference at all between unsubscribe/resubscribe and "change",
nor can there be.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb  6 23:19:43 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:19:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 20 Million Fresh E-mail Addresses
References: <3A806017.4BD96088@west.sun.com> <2180.216.171.26.197.981493207.squirrel@hutnick.com>
Message-ID: <3A80787F.CA824D32@west.sun.com>


Peter Hutnick wrote:
> 
> As I said earlier, I (for no good reason) thought this option "turned on" the "without implicit approval" field below.
> 
> Maybe it is time for glasses (or just a nap.)
> 
> Someone replied that this option sends non-member messages to the list admin.  Is there a way to just blackhole them?

You can hack SpamDetect.py.  I think I posted a hack just like this to this list in the last month or
so; it was some "auto-reject" type thing resulting from a modified SpamDetect.  Never got any
responses from the four or five people that wanted it, except for one person who was depressed
that it applied to the whole Mailman site and wasn't per-list (which, granted, would have been
better, but I was far too lazy to do all the UI work to add a new list option).



From kaw at zrodla.most.org.pl  Tue Feb  6 23:20:26 2001
From: kaw at zrodla.most.org.pl (Krzysztof Wychowalek)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:20:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qq crashed
Message-ID: <E14QGTs-0002Rv-00@mail.python.org>

Hello everybody,
I have a linux server with mailman installed (recently upgraded to 
2.0) and more then 20 lists running without any problems. Since 
yesterday, one of the list has gone crazy. When a message is 
sent to the list, mailman keeps sending it for hours resulting in the 
hundreds of the same message in users' mailboxes.
The reason is that after sending a message to all 147 users of that 
list using SMTP, mailman thinks that something was wrong, so it 
tries to send it again, and again, and again.....
In the log files it says "All recipients refused, (451, qq crashed 
#4.3.0)". I have no idea what does it mean.
I have installed some anti-virus feature to my Qmail recently, so 
first I thought this is a problem, but all other mailing lists on my 
server are working perfectly well.
I also reinstalled Mailman, and removed this one mailing list, and 
created it once again - and it still doesn't work!!! Sounds almost 
impossible.
If anyone has any ideas why "qq crashed" I would be very grateful 
for sending them to me (priv.)

Thanks in advance,


Krzysztof Wychowalek
ICQ# 34184303
GSM +48600225435
PGP Key ID 0xEA9D2A3C



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Tue Feb  6 23:23:48 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 14:23:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102061421250.17066-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> Explain to these users that there is no "identity" they have on the mailing
> list except their subscription name; "danmick at yahoo.com" is a completely different
> person than "dmick at west.sun.com" as far as the software is concerned.  So there
> really is no difference at all between unsubscribe/resubscribe and "change",
> nor can there be.

Not from an underlying data perspective.  But from an interaction
perspective, the user expects to be able to enter a new address, and have
the UI:
- capture all of their settings
- subscribe the new address with those settings
- if successful, unsubscribe the old address
...as one operation.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From roessler at does-not-exist.org  Tue Feb  6 23:26:02 2001
From: roessler at does-not-exist.org (Thomas Roessler)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:26:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com>; from dan.mick@west.sun.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 02:18:02PM -0800
References: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20010206232602.N12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org>

On 2001-02-06 14:18:02 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:

> Explain to these users that there is no "identity" they have on
> the mailing list except their subscription name;
> "danmick at yahoo.com" is a completely different person than
> "dmick at west.sun.com" as far as the software is concerned.  So
> there really is no difference at all between
> unsubscribe/resubscribe and "change", nor can there be.

So what?  I'm not talking about the basic concept, but about the
user interface and actions needed to accomplish a certain effect.

There's no reason (maybe with the exception of feasibility ;-) why
this unsubscribe/resubscribe action shouldn't be hidden behind a
simple user interface, which could - at the same time - (1) preserve
all the user's settings, and (2) could even give users an option to
automatically perform this operation for all lists under this
mailman instance's control.

-- 
Thomas Roessler			    <roessler at does-not-exist.org>



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb  6 23:44:33 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 14:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
References: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com> <20010206232602.N12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org>
Message-ID: <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>


Thomas Roessler wrote:
> 
> On 2001-02-06 14:18:02 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > Explain to these users that there is no "identity" they have on
> > the mailing list except their subscription name;
> > "danmick at yahoo.com" is a completely different person than
> > "dmick at west.sun.com" as far as the software is concerned.  So
> > there really is no difference at all between
> > unsubscribe/resubscribe and "change", nor can there be.
> 
> So what?  I'm not talking about the basic concept, but about the
> user interface and actions needed to accomplish a certain effect.
> 
> There's no reason (maybe with the exception of feasibility ;-) why
> this unsubscribe/resubscribe action shouldn't be hidden behind a
> simple user interface, which could - at the same time - (1) preserve
> all the user's settings, and (2) could even give users an option to
> automatically perform this operation for all lists under this
> mailman instance's control.

Yes, that's inarguable.  You could also make it so that the mailing
list software wipes the user's butt for them; it's only a matter of
hardware and the right testing procedure.

IMO, there are more-pressing problems, but obviously opinions differ.



From dmelton at banzuke.com  Wed Feb  7 01:03:04 2001
From: dmelton at banzuke.com (Dave Melton)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:03:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102061546360.28265-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>

Hey Dan, when can you have that butt-wiping fix ready?
I've got a few users that need all the help they can get!

IMHO, the "change email address and retain settings" action
is only one of a number of things someone might want to do.
Subscribing under multiple addresses is quite legitimate as
well, particularly for members-only lists.  I have users that
are subscribed to the same list under at least 3 different 
addresses.  Personally, I'll usually subscribe under a new
address and make sure I'm getting messages before I unsub the
previous asddress.  

I'll agree that simplifying an address change would be nice, 
but most of the people that can't figure out unsub/resub are
just going to send me a "Can you change my email address?"
message anyway!

I think this change would fit in quite well with adding the
notion of "real names" to the database.  The ability to
locate and tweak all of your subscriptions and settings (either 
within a list or across a server) based on your name would be 
a great addition to Mailman.

Now, before Dan gets uptight -
1) Mailman is great, just as it is (and worth lots more than
   what I paid for it)
2) Open source rules!!!
3) Given #2, I'm not going to complain about anything unless 
   I've got the time and energy to code what I want.

My humble $0.02,
  Dave Melton


On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:

> Thomas Roessler wrote:
> > 
> > On 2001-02-06 14:18:02 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> > 
> > > Explain to these users that there is no "identity" they have on
> > > the mailing list except their subscription name;
> > > "danmick at yahoo.com" is a completely different person than
> > > "dmick at west.sun.com" as far as the software is concerned.  So
> > > there really is no difference at all between
> > > unsubscribe/resubscribe and "change", nor can there be.
> > 
> > So what?  I'm not talking about the basic concept, but about the
> > user interface and actions needed to accomplish a certain effect.
> > 
> > There's no reason (maybe with the exception of feasibility ;-) why
> > this unsubscribe/resubscribe action shouldn't be hidden behind a
> > simple user interface, which could - at the same time - (1) preserve
> > all the user's settings, and (2) could even give users an option to
> > automatically perform this operation for all lists under this
> > mailman instance's control.
> 
> Yes, that's inarguable.  You could also make it so that the mailing
> list software wipes the user's butt for them; it's only a matter of
> hardware and the right testing procedure.
> 
> IMO, there are more-pressing problems, but obviously opinions differ.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From roessler at does-not-exist.org  Wed Feb  7 00:15:56 2001
From: roessler at does-not-exist.org (Thomas Roessler)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 00:15:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>; from dan.mick@west.sun.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 02:44:33PM -0800
References: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com> <20010206232602.N12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20010207001556.A16445@sobolev.does-not-exist.org>

On 2001-02-06 14:44:33 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:

> Yes, that's inarguable.  You could also make it so that the
> mailing list software wipes the user's butt for them; it's only a
> matter of hardware and the right testing procedure.

"How do I change my subscription address" is about the only question
from users concerning mailman's interface so far, which is why I've
dared to forward it to this mailing list.  Your opinions about
users' butts, on the other hand, seem to be rather irrelevant to
this list - but then again, I might be entirely wrong about what is
relevant or appropriate on a list for the users of some particular
mailing list management software.

> IMO, there are more-pressing problems, but obviously opinions
> differ.

Guess why I wrote "wish" (like "please put this onto your wishlist")
in the subject, not "bug" (like "please fix this asap").


While we are on the topic of real bugs, here is one: The RFC2047
parser in pipermail seems to fail globally under certain
circumstances.  More precisely, archive indexes where only few
messages are using RFC2047's encoding are fine, but indexes with
more messages just contain the raw, encoded material - for all
messages.  Bad enough, I have not been able to identify a more
precise pattern, yet.

Additionally, it seems that - when it works - the RFC2047 parser
used by pipermail doesn't handle adjacent encoded words correctly:
Something like

	=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C4?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ae?=

should be decoded to "?ae" (without any space in between), and not
to "? ae" (what mailman's parser seems to do).

-- 
Thomas Roessler			    <roessler at does-not-exist.org>



From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Wed Feb  7 00:34:08 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:34:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
Message-ID: <200102062332.PAA29662@utopia.west.sun.com>

> "How do I change my subscription address" is about the only question
> from users concerning mailman's interface so far, which is why I've
> dared to forward it to this mailing list.  

I'd be willing to be I hear something about "why do we need a
password to unsub" about five times as often.

> Your opinions about
> users' butts, on the other hand, seem to be rather irrelevant to
> this list - but then again, I might be entirely wrong about what is
> relevant or appropriate on a list for the users of some particular
> mailing list management software.

As might I.  Glad we've got the whole absolute-relevance 
thing straight. ;)

> > IMO, there are more-pressing problems, but obviously opinions
> > differ.
> 
> Guess why I wrote "wish" (like "please put this onto your wishlist")
> in the subject, not "bug" (like "please fix this asap").

Well, of course.  Wishlist items are prioritized too, of course.
Given how often someone has to change an email address, I would
think this remains way way down there.
  
> While we are on the topic of real bugs, here is one: The RFC2047
> parser in pipermail seems to fail globally under certain
> circumstances.  More precisely, archive indexes where only few
> messages are using RFC2047's encoding are fine, but indexes with
> more messages just contain the raw, encoded material - for all
> messages.  Bad enough, I have not been able to identify a more
> precise pattern, yet.
> 
> Additionally, it seems that - when it works - the RFC2047 parser
> used by pipermail doesn't handle adjacent encoded words correctly:
> Something like
> 
> 	=?iso-8859-1?Q?=C4?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ae?=
> 
> should be decoded to "?ae" (without any space in between), and not
> to "? ae" (what mailman's parser seems to do).

Yeah.  2.1 has a lot of I18N stuff going in that may make this a lot
better; it's well underway.  But you might want to submit this at
Sourceforge if it's not already there.




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Wed Feb  7 01:02:55 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:02:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <200102062332.PAA29662@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102061601160.21222-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> Given how often someone has to change an email address, I would
> think this remains way way down there.

This is very different, I think, for those of us who run social, and
especially sex-related, lists.  People create and delete AOL screennames,
or change webmail addresses or preoviders, with great frequency; I must
see a dozen or more address changes a week on my lists alone, let alone
the others we host.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From jeb at ocha.net  Wed Feb  7 01:17:37 2001
From: jeb at ocha.net (Jeb Bateman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 16:17:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>; from dan.mick@west.sun.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 02:44:33PM -0800
References: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com> <20010206232602.N12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20010206161737.B30138@rye>

It's funny you guys should even argue about this, since it's already
coded in bin/clone-member -r and just needs a CGI interface wrapped
around it, (which I plan to try doing in PHP or Python shortly ;-)

It's just a matter of authenticating a member (though a Mailman list
password, or some other site-wide method, and then trusting them to
enter their new address correctly)...  If you can't trust this, then
it's probably easier to just insist on sub/unsub instead of trying to
add another level of verification to this at the moment; (although I
hope Mailman will be able to provide a general email verification
interface in the future), and then make passwords optional.

-jeb

Dan Mick wrote:
> Thomas Roessler wrote:
> > On 2001-02-06 14:18:02 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> > > Explain to these users that there is no "identity" they have on
> > > the mailing list except their subscription name;
> > > "danmick at yahoo.com" is a completely different person than
> > > "dmick at west.sun.com" as far as the software is concerned.  So
> > > there really is no difference at all between
> > > unsubscribe/resubscribe and "change", nor can there be.
> > 
> > So what?  I'm not talking about the basic concept, but about the
> > user interface and actions needed to accomplish a certain effect.
> > 
> > There's no reason (maybe with the exception of feasibility ;-) why
> > this unsubscribe/resubscribe action shouldn't be hidden behind a
> > simple user interface, which could - at the same time - (1) preserve
> > all the user's settings, and (2) could even give users an option to
> > automatically perform this operation for all lists under this
> > mailman instance's control.
> 
> Yes, that's inarguable.  You could also make it so that the mailing
> list software wipes the user's butt for them; it's only a matter of
> hardware and the right testing procedure.
> 
> IMO, there are more-pressing problems, but obviously opinions differ.
> 



From andrew at illywhacker.net  Wed Feb  7 02:36:59 2001
From: andrew at illywhacker.net (Andrew Solomon)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:36:59 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as helpdesk tool
Message-ID: <20010207123659.D11645@illywhacker.net>

Dear Mailman team,

I work on the GAP project (http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/~gap/)
which is an open source computer algebra package whose 
development team is distributed (thinly:) across the globe.

At present help requests and bug reports go to a mail alias for the list of 
30-odd developers and to an archive, but there is no automated management.
I am investigating the possibility of using Mailman as a tool for 
automating the management of this "helpdesk". (I am aware of Reqng
but would prefer to use something more mainstream).

I envisage that our helpdesk would be a mailing list to which the developers
belong, and to which users could send their requests.

Our requirements are:

- sending an automated response: We got your mail (so don't complain a day
	later you did not get a response).

[I think Mailman will do this without any problem whatsoever]

- Providing a method to check which requests are still open (the `human'
  method we have so far does not work very well). One could
  view the archive by thread, but it would be nice to 
  be able to delete/hide a thread when the matter is dealt with. 

[Is this possible, or an easy exercise for someone willing to learn Python?]

- Periodically, or on request, send a reminder to the list about threads which
are still active.

[ditto previous question]

Best wishes,

Andrew Solomon





From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Wed Feb  7 03:19:14 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:19:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as helpdesk tool
In-Reply-To: <20010207123659.D11645@illywhacker.net>
References: <20010207123659.D11645@illywhacker.net>
Message-ID: <2141.216.140.158.162.981512354.squirrel@hutnick.com>

I would like to point out while GAP is "source available" and 
therefore might be reasonably called "open source"  it is NOT "Open 
Source" (as defined at http://www.opensource.org/osd.html) and is most 
certainly not Free Software.

I write this not out of some sort of license zealotry, but this is, 
after all, the mailing list for the GNU mailing list manager.  I 
imagine may of us are sensitive to licensing.  I certainly don't mean 
to imply that the GAP folks "aren't worthy" (it is they who say this 
about commercial enterprises,) only for clarity.

Andrew, it would be clearer in the future to avoid the term "open 
source" and rather call GAP "source available."

> Dear Mailman team,
>
> I work on the GAP project
> (http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/~gap/) which is an open
> source computer algebra package whose
> development team is distributed (thinly:) across the globe.
>
> At present help requests and bug reports go to a mail alias for
> the list of  30-odd developers and to an archive, but there is no
> automated management. I am investigating the possibility of using
> Mailman as a tool for  automating the management of this
> "helpdesk". (I am aware of Reqng but would prefer to use
> something more mainstream).
>
> I envisage that our helpdesk would be a mailing list to which the
> developers belong, and to which users could send their requests.
>
> Our requirements are:
>
> - sending an automated response: We got your mail (so don't
> complain a day
> 	later you did not get a response).
>
> [I think Mailman will do this without any problem whatsoever]
>
> - Providing a method to check which requests are still open (the
> `human'
>   method we have so far does not work very well). One could
>   view the archive by thread, but it would be nice to
>   be able to delete/hide a thread when the matter is dealt with.
>
> [Is this possible, or an easy exercise for someone willing to
> learn Python?]
>
> - Periodically, or on request, send a reminder to the list about
> threads which are still active.
>
> [ditto previous question]
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Andrew Solomon
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


--
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Feb  7 03:30:23 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 18:30:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as helpdesk tool
In-Reply-To: <20010207123659.D11645@illywhacker.net>
Message-ID: <B6A5F33F.3A28%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 2/6/01 5:36 PM, "Andrew Solomon" <andrew at illywhacker.net> wrote:

> At present help requests and bug reports go to a mail alias for the list of
> 30-odd developers and to an archive, but there is no automated management.
> I am investigating the possibility of using Mailman as a tool for
> automating the management of this "helpdesk". (I am aware of Reqng
> but would prefer to use something more mainstream).

I wouldn't do that. the helpdesk piece is complex enough you don't want to
try to wedge it onto Mailman. Instead, use a helpdesk or bug tracking system
like bugzilla. Go to freshmeat.net and search on "helpdesk" or "bug
tracking'. You'll find a number of things that can do the job a lot easier
than trying to whack Mailman into submission.

I've actually been looking at this recently myself, since I need a way to
automate postmaster mail and spread it across a staff, and perhaps route
some mail to some admins and not others. I haven't made a decision yet, but
I'm definitely going to use (and adapt) a system.

Helpdesk stuff gets tricky fast. I'd be wary of rolling my own on this.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

  To the optimist, the glass is half full.
  To the pessimist, the glass is half empty.
  To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.





From msha at midway.uchicago.edu  Wed Feb  7 03:47:17 2001
From: msha at midway.uchicago.edu (M. Sha)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:47:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail: see transcript for details (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0102062044320.15709-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>

Hi,

I am the list admin for I-house-residents at listhost.uchicago.edu       
Below is the error message I got.  There is a problem posting to the
list.  I have been the list admin for 1 year, this is the first time this
problem occurs.  Please help me or direct me to the right help source.

Thank you,
Mandy Sha
msha at uchicago.edu
Publicity/Public Relations Community Fellow
International House of Chicago

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:12:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at midway.uchicago.edu>
To: msha at midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details

The original message was received at Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:12:29 -0600 (CST)
from msha at harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<i-house-residents at listhost.uchicago.edu>
    (reason: 550 5.1.1 <i-house-residents at listhost.uchicago.edu>... User unknown)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to listhost.uchicago.edu.:
>>> RCPT To:<i-house-residents at listhost.uchicago.edu>
<<< 550 5.1.1 <i-house-residents at listhost.uchicago.edu>... User unknown
550 5.1.1 <i-house-residents at listhost.uchicago.edu>... User unknown




From andrew at illywhacker.net  Wed Feb  7 03:45:43 2001
From: andrew at illywhacker.net (Andrew Solomon)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 13:45:43 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman as helpdesk tool
In-Reply-To: <20010207123659.D11645@illywhacker.net>; from andrew@illywhacker.net on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:36:59PM +1100
References: <20010207123659.D11645@illywhacker.net>
Message-ID: <20010207134543.A12068@illywhacker.net>

Before someone else does, I should correct two errors in the same paragraph:

> automating the management of this "helpdesk". (I am aware of Reqng
> but would prefer to use something more mainstream).

1. I should be using the term "request tracking" rather than the more 
general "helpdesk";

2. Reqng is about as mainstream as request trackers come.
Rather, I suspect (hope) we don't need a specialized request tracking system.

a) Our requirements are rather unsophisticated: for example we don't need
the concepts of "give" and "take" responsibility for a request - 
generally there is quite a bit of internal discussion on any nontrivial 
request;

b) I want something which doesn't assume the members of the support team 
have accounts on the server;

c) I want something with a web interface which doesn't use frames.

Andrew



From foosball at vovida.org  Wed Feb  7 03:58:34 2001
From: foosball at vovida.org (Mike Lehmann)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 18:58:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as helpdesk tool
References: <B6A5F33F.3A28%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <3A80B9DA.6ADA9EED@vovida.org>

Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> I wouldn't do that. the helpdesk piece is complex enough you don't want to
> try to wedge it onto Mailman. Instead, use a helpdesk or bug tracking system
> like bugzilla. Go to freshmeat.net and search on "helpdesk" or "bug
> tracking'. You'll find a number of things that can do the job a lot easier
> than trying to whack Mailman into submission.
> 
> I've actually been looking at this recently myself, since I need a way to

I'm also working on this problem.  I am webmaster for a telephony site,
which uses bugzilla and mailman (with multiple lists), and we are trying
to integrate the two.  My current thinking is to use procmail to listen
to posts to the various lists and to generate a bugzilla bug based on
that
email.  The owner of the bug will be someone associated with the list
the
bug was sent to.

When the bug is created, email is sent which contains a url to the
proper
point in bugzilla.  The owner can then visit the bug, read the
description,
and then either remove it or assign it to whomever can best handle that
bug.

The problem, I think, is finding an automatic way to initially
categorize
the bug and then to alert a human of its placement so that the bug can
*quickly* be re-categorized if necessary.

regards,
Mike Lehmann, vovida.org
-- 
I hope life isn't a big joke, because I don't get it.



From pro.media.starline at t-online.de  Wed Feb  7 04:23:56 2001
From: pro.media.starline at t-online.de (U.S.)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 04:23:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000a01c090b5$68fd87a0$258850d9@wolfgang>

Hello,

eine Frage: Kann man Eure LISTINGS auch in der Sprache D E U T S C H per Email erhalten??

DANKE/Thanks
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From jon at internection.com  Wed Feb  7 05:54:22 2001
From: jon at internection.com (Jon August)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:54:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Broadcast only list?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102062352280.11291-100000@www.internection.com>

I set up a list that is set for "Must posts be approved by an
administrator?" = yes and people can still post to the list.

Is there a way to make a list only postable by the admin?

	-Jon

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From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at  Wed Feb  7 09:42:40 2001
From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:42:40 +0100 (MEZ)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000a01c090b5$68fd87a0$258850d9@wolfgang> from "U.S." at "Feb 7,
 2001 04:23:56 am"
Message-ID: <200102070842.JAA57296@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at>

According to U.S.:
> Hello,
> eine Frage: Kann man Eure LISTINGS auch in der Sprache D E U T S C H per Email erhalten??
> DANKE/Thanks

Please note, this list's language is english and please use a subject
line.  Which "Listings" are you talking about?


Bitte beachte Sie, die auf dieser Liste verwendete Sprache ist Englisch
und bitte geben Sie einen Betreff an.  Welche "Listings" meinen Sie?

Bei der Gelegenheit moechte ich Sie auf einen Konfigruationsfehler
aufmerksam machen.  Sie versenden versehentlich HTML Attachments mit
Ihrem Mails.  Das koennen Sie in Outlock wie folgt korrigieren:

| Extras -> Optionen -> Senden:
|   Nachrichten Senden-Format:
|   [ ] HTML
|   [X] Nur-Text
|   News Senden-Format:
|   [ ] HTML
|   [X] Nur-Text

Damit wird der HTML Teil abgestellt.

/"\
\ /
 X  ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN
/ \ AGAINST HTML MAIL

+gg
 
-- 
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Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria
"If we don't have Microsoft's blessing, then what's the point?" -anon.



From pallavi_chand at Syntelinc.com  Wed Feb  7 11:18:20 2001
From: pallavi_chand at Syntelinc.com (chand, pallavi)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 05:18:20 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] information needed
Message-ID: <0BFBA0BA0BBED311896600508B650AC78900F9@SYNBOMEXCH1>

Hi,
    I need to get information about all the members of the WAP Developer
Forum. So could you please send me the url from where i could do so.
   Thanx in advance,
Regards,
Pallavi



From parish at ikb.mavt.ethz.ch  Wed Feb  7 12:21:22 2001
From: parish at ikb.mavt.ethz.ch (Yogi Parish)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 06:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem after installation using Sendmail
Message-ID: <3A812FB2.C91BBAE5@ikb.mavt.ethz.ch>

Hello everybody,

I have installed mailman on an SGI Irix using Sendmail MTA. After
putting the test list up, the log files fill up with "[...]-1
test-owner at address (ignore)[...]" entries. I checked the wrapper program
for the right gid which seems to be fine.

Could anybody help me out or give me a hint what to look for?

thank you very much.

yp



From canario.joe at teleline.es  Wed Feb  7 12:33:53 2001
From: canario.joe at teleline.es (CJoe)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:33:53 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman jobs via email (?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102061546360.28265-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102061546360.28265-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>
Message-ID: <887171966.20010207113353@teleline.es>

hi  all;  I wonder whether it is possible to command mailman
through  "jobs"  ... (ie through command lines and jobs sent
via email). For instance, in case I want to

- add 2000 users at once,

- delete or put nomail 25 users,

-  search  for  a  certain  users or all of the users from a
certain domain, etc.

Also,  I  would  like  to know if mailman

- handles bounces by probing all of the addresses subscribed
to  the  forum and may delete, "automatically" those whokeep
bouncing after a certain number of days ...

-  has  implemented  any  type  of  both  spam detection and
filters ...

cheers,


canario.joe at teleline.es
___





From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Wed Feb  7 14:57:54 2001
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:57:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>; from dan.mick@west.sun.com on Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 02:44:33PM -0800
References: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com> <20010206232602.N12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20010207085754.D24209@raleigh.ibm.com>

On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 02:44:33PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> > There's no reason (maybe with the exception of feasibility ;-) why
> > this unsubscribe/resubscribe action shouldn't be hidden behind a
> > simple user interface, which could - at the same time - (1) preserve
> > all the user's settings, and (2) could even give users an option to
> > automatically perform this operation for all lists under this
> > mailman instance's control.
> 
> Yes, that's inarguable.  You could also make it so that the mailing
> list software wipes the user's butt for them; it's only a matter of
> hardware and the right testing procedure.

Mailman does a pretty good job of this already with it's easy to use
web GUI. That's one of the main reason so many admins like it, less user
questions about 'how do I...'.

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
 T/L 441-9289 / External 919-543-9289
 http://bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com/webcam




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Wed Feb  7 14:58:54 2001
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <20010207001556.A16445@sobolev.does-not-exist.org>; from roessler@does-not-exist.org on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:15:56AM +0100
References: <20010206224504.F12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A80781A.8EFDCC17@west.sun.com> <20010206232602.N12798@sobolev.does-not-exist.org> <3A807E51.BF9BAFFB@west.sun.com> <20010207001556.A16445@sobolev.does-not-exist.org>
Message-ID: <20010207085854.E24209@raleigh.ibm.com>

On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 12:15:56AM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote:
> "How do I change my subscription address" is about the only question
> from users concerning mailman's interface so far, which is why I've
> dared to forward it to this mailing list.  Your opinions about
> users' butts, on the other hand, seem to be rather irrelevant to
> this list - but then again, I might be entirely wrong about what is
> relevant or appropriate on a list for the users of some particular
> mailing list management software.

I agree. I've seen this question a few times a month.

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
 T/L 441-9289 / External 919-543-9289
 http://bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com/webcam




From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Feb  7 16:29:45 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:29:45 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Melton <dmelton@banzuke.com> 
   of "Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:03:04 PST." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102061546360.28265-100000@nishi.banzuke.com> 
Message-ID: <E14QWXR-0002vj-00@rioja.localnet>

dmelton at banzuke.com said:
> IMHO, the "change email address and retain settings" action is only
> one of a number of things someone might want to do.

As has been stated, it would be relatively easy to hack on a "change 
email address to" box to the per-user mailman options set.

However when the victim has put their new address in, what happens then?
  - Does mail just get blindly sent to the new address which
    they hopefully typed in right
  - Are they effectively unsubscribed until they have received and 
returned
    a confirmation message?
  - Howabout if its a moderator approved subscription process?

In all of these cases the user can lose mail unexpectedly... where as 
an explicit unsub/sub (in whatever order you wish - I sub, check its OK 
then unsub old) has very specific known behaviour.

	Nigel.

	Nigel.


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From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Wed Feb  7 16:29:30 2001
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:29:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address.
In-Reply-To: <E14QWXR-0002vj-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@InTechnology.co.uk on Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 03:29:45PM +0000
References: <dmelton@banzuke.com> <E14QWXR-0002vj-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <20010207102930.A24554@raleigh.ibm.com>

The change address form should simply call the existing subscribe and 
unsubscribe routines. That way any rules setup for subscribe and unsubscribe
still apply.

The only other wrinkle should be that the options on the old email address
get carried over to the new address.

-- Scott

On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 03:29:45PM +0000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> 
> dmelton at banzuke.com said:
> > IMHO, the "change email address and retain settings" action is only
> > one of a number of things someone might want to do.
> 
> As has been stated, it would be relatively easy to hack on a "change 
> email address to" box to the per-user mailman options set.
> 
> However when the victim has put their new address in, what happens then?
>   - Does mail just get blindly sent to the new address which
>     they hopefully typed in right
>   - Are they effectively unsubscribed until they have received and 
> returned
>     a confirmation message?
>   - Howabout if its a moderator approved subscription process?
> 
> In all of these cases the user can lose mail unexpectedly... where as 
> an explicit unsub/sub (in whatever order you wish - I sub, check its OK 
> then unsub old) has very specific known behaviour.
> 
> 	Nigel.
> 
> 	Nigel.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
> 
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From omar at dit.upm.es  Wed Feb  7 17:04:10 2001
From: omar at dit.upm.es (Omar Walid Llorente)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:04:10 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail address
In-Reply-To: <E14QHFt-0006fY-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102071637430.3575-100000@oasis.dit.upm.es>

:At 19:22 +0100 2/6/01, Omar Walid Llorente wrote:
:
:>       Hi, one of my lists admins had put on the Membership
:>Management Section an incorrect mail address. Exactly what
:>he put is:
:>basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis
:>and that is what shows the Membership page.
:>
:
:>       As far as i know this could modify the mailman behaviour
:>(version i'm using is 1.1) because the " char. So i need two
:>things:
:>
:>       1. Learn to modify the config.db database to correct the
:>address (is impossible to unsubscribe this user through the
:>normal method). Only appear first 3 of the 7 radial buttons
:>(subscr, hide, nomail, ack, not metoo, digest, plain).
:
:Well, the first checkbox is the subscr checkbox, which you say
:is present...uncheck that and submit changes and the subscriber
:*may* be removed.  On the other hand, the spaces and quote may
:prevent it. Or Mailman 1.1 may not work that way.
:

	Yes, the first checkbox is present, but unchecked.


:Are you saying you tried that and it failed?  Here, in a test
:list I haven't gotten around to deleting (yet), I was able to
:add the above faulty address.  It showed up without the
:' "luis' and I was able to delete it fine by unchecking subscr
:for the member and submitting changes.  Perhaps I didn't make
:the same error.

	Sorry, what i meant was that what the membership page
shows is:
basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis
not that this was the string the admin entered, because the
actual string introduced by the admin was:
basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis basa?ez"

	Notice the "?" char in the string introduced... The ascii
code of the "?" is decimal 241.

	I have been able to reproduce the error so i have now two
lists with this problem...

	Thanks for your help.

	Omar.
 
:Perhaps Mailman 2.0 deals with the bad address better (I've
:never run 1.1).
:
:  --John
:-- 
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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Feb  7 17:13:58 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:13:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman jobs via email (?) 
In-Reply-To: Message from CJoe <canario.joe@teleline.es> 
   of "Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:33:53 GMT." <887171966.20010207113353@teleline.es> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102061546360.28265-100000@nishi.banzuke.com>  <887171966.20010207113353@teleline.es> 
Message-ID: <6739.981562438@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 11:33:53 +0000 
CJoe  <canario.joe at teleline.es> wrote:

> hi all; I wonder whether it is possible to command mailman through
> "jobs" ... (ie through command lines and jobs sent via email). For
> instance, in case I want to

> - add 2000 users at once,

> - delete or put nomail 25 users,

> - search for a certain users or all of the users from a certain
> domain, etc.

Nope.  All such are fairly easy to do from the command line however.
Wrap your own procmail recipies about them if you really need amil
access.

> - handles bounces by probing all of the addresses subscribed to
> the forum and may delete, "automatically" those whokeep bouncing
> after a certain number of days ...

Mailman does not probe.  Instead it actively watches for bounces of
list posts, and attempts to parse them and respond as configured in
that list's bounce settings (defeauls to setting to NOMAIL).

> - has implemented any type of both spam detection and filters ...

Nope, unless you could member posting rules or a requirement that a
post mush be explicitly addressed to the list.  I'd also argue that
spam handling is better done at the MTA level than the MLM.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Feb  7 17:21:07 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:21:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wish: Change address. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@InTechnology.co.uk> 
   of "Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:29:45 GMT." <E14QWXR-0002vj-00@rioja.localnet> 
References: <E14QWXR-0002vj-00@rioja.localnet> 
Message-ID: <20335.981562867@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 15:29:45 +0000 
Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk> wrote:

> However when the victim has put their new address in, what happens
> then?

The way I handle it (for a web account) is:

  Upon making the request for a new email address a confirm message
  is sent to the new address (I generously assume that the password
  check verified human identity).

  Nothing is changed in their subscription status.

  Upon the URL in the confirm message being visited (this is a web
  account after all), the email address is changed (I assume that
  knowledge of the confirm token, which is an MD5 hash of a secret
  value with the new email address (which I check) indicates that
  tha new address does work).

The necessary adaption for Mailman would be adding email-reponse
confirmation.  Of course this leaves a window between request and
confirmation during which mail might go where the member doesn't
want it to go (ahem), but I'd suggest that that window is acceptably
and controllably small, especially given that 90% of it is under the
member's purview.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From james at metropolis.co.za  Wed Feb  7 17:44:59 2001
From: james at metropolis.co.za (James Ainslie)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 18:44:59 +0200 (SAST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron and Python
In-Reply-To: <6739.981562438@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102071841270.659-100000@atuin.iac.iafrica.com>

I have written a script which outputs the list members and configs to
files and tars them up. The only problem is that I cant seem to run it
from cron.

It seems that the env variable : _=/usr/bin/env is dropped.
I have tried setting this in my script. But no joy.

Does anybody have any ideas.


This is the error I get when my script uses the 
$mailmanprefix/bin/list_members and $mailmanprefix/bin/config_list
scripts.

env: python: No such file or directory

Help :-)

Thanks
James


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From ksargen at trianinvestments.com  Wed Feb  7 20:57:38 2001
From: ksargen at trianinvestments.com (Kimberly Sargen)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:57:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest questions...
In-Reply-To: <E14QXyo-0003ey-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <B6A6E8B2.CA9A%ksargen@trianinvestments.com>

Anybody dealing with the following? -

We are getting ready to move several mailing lists from the existing system
to Mailman.  One of the reasons is that the user interface for the existing
software is TERRIBLE - including the list admin.

On some of the lists, we're having a problem with a number of people posting
HTML/MIME format postings, and then the digest is put out as plain text.
Well, you know what happens to those messages.  We're trying to find a way
to EDIT the digest before it goes out, to cut out some of this mess.  We've
got list members who are quitting due to the size and number of these
"messy" messages.  Any suggestions?

Also, if worst comes to worst, is there a way to BLOCK HTML/MIME messages
from the list?  That way at least, people wouldn't be screaming quite so
much about how big the digests are, and how much wasted bandwidth there
is...

Thanks!

Kimberly Sargen




From travisll at comfedcu.org  Wed Feb  7 22:44:33 2001
From: travisll at comfedcu.org (Travis Llewellyn)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:44:33 -0600 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Threading Problem
Message-ID: <9BEC938FC276D411BA0A00508BC9979402FE1D@exchange.comfedcu.com>

I am having a problem with a list I have setup.
This is the only list on this server and the first time I have installed v2
of mailman.

I have reinstall and recompiled mailman so many times now that I think I
could do it from memory.

So here is my problem
None of my messages in the archives are showing up threaded. They all show
up a new messages.  Is there something that I have missed?


All the messages I send are getting to the archives OK. They all show up and
I can click on them and read them.
 
What it is doing is not threading them in the archives.
 
If I send a message subject test to the list it goes to the list members and
the archive ok.
 
When I receive the message in my inbox I click on reply to all. This sends a
message to the user and back to the list.
 
Both messages show up in the archive but they both show up as Test as the
subject as two distinct threads.
 
It looks Like this
eg...
 
[LFD-List]Test
[LFD-List]Test
 
When it should look like this
 
[LFD-List]Test
..Re:[LFD-List]Test
 
Does that make it a little clearer.
 
Thank you again for you assistance.
 
Travis




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Wed Feb  7 22:52:58 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:52:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman jobs via email (?)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102061546360.28265-100000@nishi.banzuke.com> <887171966.20010207113353@teleline.es>
Message-ID: <3A81C3BA.69FCC8D@west.sun.com>


CJoe wrote:
> 
> hi  all;  I wonder whether it is possible to command mailman
> through  "jobs"  ... (ie through command lines 


see ~mailman/bin.

> and jobs sent
> via email). For instance, in case I want to
> 
> - add 2000 users at once,

add_members
 
> - delete or put nomail 25 users,

delete, yes.  Set flags, no.
 
> -  search  for  a  certain  users or all of the users from a
> certain domain, etc.

list_members
 
> Also,  I  would  like  to know if mailman
> 
> - handles bounces by probing all of the addresses subscribed
> to  the  forum and may delete, "automatically" those whokeep
> bouncing after a certain number of days ...

Not "probing", but keeping track of all bounces, and taking action
(disable or delete) after the configured number elapses.  See Chris 
Kolar's doc.
 
> -  has  implemented  any  type  of  both  spam detection and
> filters ...

Yes, see the admin pages, plus SpamDetect.py.



From fbarajas at sistec.com.mx  Thu Feb  8 00:13:37 2001
From: fbarajas at sistec.com.mx (Fernando Barajas)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:13:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translations
Message-ID: <069001c0915b$9c0bbbc0$4509f094@fer>

Is there any translation to spanish of the Mailman program?

Thanks!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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SISTEMAS Y TECNOLOG?A DE MEXICO-Soluciones en Redes e Internet
http://www.sistec.com.mx




From demeler at bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu  Thu Feb  8 00:23:31 2001
From: demeler at bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 17:23:31 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] crontab overwritten!!
Message-ID: <3A81D8F3.D0519B51@biochem.uthscsa.edu>

I recently installed mailman on my server, and just wanted to alert you
guys to a serious bug: During the installation my crontab for root was
overwritten
and replaced in its  entirety with only mailman entries. This caused
considerable
headaches. You might want to check that the crontab info is *added*
instead
of overwritten.

Thanks, -Borries




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Thu Feb  8 04:16:35 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 19:16:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] crontab overwritten!!
Message-ID: <200102080314.TAA20260@utopia.west.sun.com>

???  The standard Mailman installation does nothing at all with
crontabs, and certainly nothing with root's crontab.  Did you
install some RPM or something?

> I recently installed mailman on my server, and just wanted to alert you
> guys to a serious bug: During the installation my crontab for root was
> overwritten
> and replaced in its  entirety with only mailman entries. This caused
> considerable
> headaches. You might want to check that the crontab info is *added*
> instead
> of overwritten.
> 
> Thanks, -Borries




From reb at taco.com  Thu Feb  8 04:22:16 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 22:22:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] crontab overwritten!!
In-Reply-To: <3A81D8F3.D0519B51@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010207221921.035445e0@taco.com>

At 05:23 PM 2/7/2001 -0600, Borries Demeler wrote:
>I recently installed mailman on my server, and just wanted to alert you
>guys to a serious bug: During the installation my crontab for root was
>overwritten
>and replaced in its  entirety with only mailman entries. This caused
>considerable
>headaches. You might want to check that the crontab info is *added*
>instead
>of overwritten.

Methinks you (or a script) copied the mailman crontab entries to a
file and then did this:

    crontab <file>

which will replace the current crontab with the contents of <file>,  *exactly*
what you report. This has nothing to do with the mailman distribution, as
you need to add this by hand. Possibly some script that is NOT part of
the mailman distribution did this for you.

reb




From Nate.Tanner at knowledgenet.com  Thu Feb  8 05:13:46 2001
From: Nate.Tanner at knowledgenet.com (Nate Tanner)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:13:46 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail unknown mailer error
Message-ID: <5158D0536A2AD4119F3B00D0B7600A3297835E@KNEMAIL2>

> Hello,
> 
> I've written a perl program to handle bounces, but I keep getting the
> unknown mailer error below.  I've read through the archives, and it seems
> that either the path to my local mailer agent in sendmail config file, or
> the path to bounce.pl file would be incorrect.  The funny thing is,
> however, that the program usually works.  When I run a program that sends
> out 5 emails to invalid addresses, the bounces are all handled by
> bounce.pl.  When I send out a message to ~1000 people, 100 or more of
> which bounce back, I only get 10 or 15 of the errors.  So I know all the
> paths are correct.  I also tried removing all the code in the bounce.pl,
> and still the same results.
> 
> Any ideas appreciated.  BTW, the program is running on a virtual server,
> so I don't have root or sudo.  
> 
> I'll include my sendmail.cf at the bottom of this message, in case that
> helps.
> 
> Thanks,
> Nate Tanner
> 
> The original message was received at Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:48 -0700 (MST)
> from root@[65.161.97.70]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/etc/httpd/utils/bounce.pl"
>     (expanded from: <tanner at lunchclub.net>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Cannot fork
> 554 "|/usr/local/etc/httpd/utils/bounce.pl"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
>    ----- Original message follows -----
> 
> Received: from tic.insight.com (root@[65.161.97.70]) by lunchclub.net
> (8.8.8) id CAA13138; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:48 -0700 (MST)
> Received: from localhost (localhost)
> 	by tic.insight.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with internal id CAA13622;
> 	Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:41 -0700
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:41 -0700
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at tic.insight.com>
> Message-Id: <200102070913.CAA13622 at tic.insight.com>
> To: <tanner at lunchclub.net>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
> 	boundary="CAA13622.981537221/tic.insight.com"
> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
> Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
> 
> This is a MIME-encapsulated message
> 
> --CAA13622.981537221/tic.insight.com
> 
> The original message was received at Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:40 -0700
> from lunchclub.net [161.58.233.2]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <ddraper at insight.com>
>     (expanded from: <ddraper at insight.com>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to gate.insight.com.:
> >>> RCPT To:<ddraper at gate.insight.com>
> <<< 550 <ddraper at gate.insight.com>... User unknown
> 550 <ddraper at insight.com>... User unknown
> 
> --CAA13622.981537221/tic.insight.com
> Content-Type: message/delivery-status
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; tic.insight.com
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; lunchclub.net
> Arrival-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:40 -0700
> 
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; <ddraper at insight.com>
> X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; ddraper at gate.insight.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; gate.insight.com
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <ddraper at gate.insight.com>... User unknown
> Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:41 -0700
> 
> --CAA13622.981537221/tic.insight.com
> Content-Type: message/rfc822
> 
> Return-Path: <tanner at lunchclub.net>
> Received: from lunchclub.net (lunchclub.net [161.58.233.2])
> 	by tic.insight.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13620
> 	for <ddraper at insight.com>; Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:40 -0700
> Received: (tanner at localhost) by lunchclub.net (8.8.8) id CAA13084; Wed, 7
> Feb 2001 02:13:45 -0700 (MST)
> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:13:45 -0700 (MST)
> Message-Id: <200102070913.CAA13084 at lunchclub.net>
> From: LunchMaster <lunchmaster-do-not-reply at lunchclub.net>
> Bcc:
> Reply-to: lunchmaster at lunchclub.net
> Subject: LunchClub special for Wednesday, February 7
> 
> [msg]
> 
> --CAA13622.981537221/tic.insight.com--
> 
> 
> ##########################################
> # Server sendmail.cf for sendmail 8.8.6  #
> ##########################################
> 
> V5
> 
> ########################
> #  Classes and macros  #
> ########################
> 
> Cwlocalhost tanner.ipartner.net
> CPuucp bitnet		# Pseudo-domains
> C..			# A dot for canonical testing
> DUuunet.uu.net		# UUCP relay host
> DBcunyvm.cuny.edu	# BITNET relay host
> Do.:%@[]		# Delimiter characters
> Dq$g$?x ($x)$.		# Format of a total name
> 
> ####################
> #  Header formats  #
> ####################
> 
> H?P?Return-Path: $g
> HReceived: $?rfrom $s $.$?_($_) $.by $j ($v) id $i; $b
> H?D?Date: $a
> H?D?Resent-Date: $a
> H?F?From: $q
> H?F?Resent-From: $q
> H?x?Full-Name: $x
> HSubject:
> H?M?Message-Id: <$t.$i@$j>
> H?M?Resent-Message-Id: <$t.$i@$j>
> 
> ########################
> #  Mailer definitions  #
> ########################
> 
> Mremote, P=[IPC], F=CDFmMuX, E=\r\n, L=990, S=11, R=11, A=IPC $h
> Mlocal, P=/bin/imail, F=DFlmMs, A=mail -f $g $u
> Mprog, P=/bin/sh, F=DFlMsu, D=$z:/, A=sh -c $u
> 
> 
> #############
> #  Options  #
> #############
> 
> Oa1			# Wait (in minutes) for alias file rebuild
> OA/etc/aliases		# location of alias file
> OC10			# Checkpoint queue runs every N deliveries
> OF0600			# Temporary file mode
> Og100			# Default GID
> OH/etc/sendmail.hf      # SMTP help file
> OI			# Insist that the name server be running
> Ok5			# Open connection cache size
> Om			# Expand aliases to include sender
> On			# Verify RHS in newaliases
> OQ/var/spool/mqueue	# Queue directory
> OS/etc/sendmail.st	# Stat file
> OT3d			# Queue timeout and warning time
> Ou126			# Default UID
> Ot			# Use TZ environment variable
> Opauthwarnings,noexpn,novrfy
> 
> #########################################################
> # Databases needed for anti-spam and virtual host/users #
> #########################################################
> Kvirtmaps hash /etc/virtmaps
> Kspammers hash /etc/spammers
> Krelayers hash /etc/relayers
> Kdequote dequote
> 
> ##########################################################################
> ###
> # Anti-Spam Support:  Limit SMTP relaying to previously authenticated
> users #
> ##########################################################################
> ###
> Scheck_rcpt
> R< $+ @ $=w >	$@ OK
> R$+		$: $(dequote "" $&{client_addr} $) $| $1
> R0 $| $*	$@ OK
> R$* $| $*	$: $(relayers $1 $: ERROR $)
> RERROR		$#error $@ 5.7.1 $: "550 SMTP relay denied,
> authenticate via POP/IMAP first"
> R$*		$@ OK
> 
> #######################################################################
> # Anti-Spam Support:  Check "Mail From:" for spam hostname or address #
> #######################################################################
> Scheck_mail
> R<$*>		$1
> R$*		$: $(spammers $1 $: $1 $)
> R$*@$*		$: $(spammers $2 $: OK $)
> ROK		$@ OK
> R$+		$#error $: 551 $1
> 
> 
> #################################
> #  Ruleset 0 - Resolve address  #
> #################################
> S0
> 
> R<@>			$#local$:<>		Null address is local
> 
> # start of virtual host/users support
> R$+ < @ $+ . >		$: $1 < @ $2> .
> R$+ < @ $+ > $*		$: $(virtmaps $1@$2 $: $1 < @ $2 > $3 $)
> R$+ < @ $+ > $*		$: $(virtmaps $2 $: $1 < @ $2 > $3 $)
> R$+ < @ $+ > $*		$: $1 < @ $(virtmaps @ $2 $: $2 $) > $3
> R$+ < @ $+ @ $+ > $*	$: $2 < @ $3 > $4
> R$+ < @ $+ > .		$: $1 < @ $2 . >
> R$+ @ $+ 		$: $1 < @ $2 >
> R$+ < < @ $+ > >	$: $1 < @ $2 >
> # end of virtual host/users support
> 
> R$+<@$=w>		$@$>90$1		Remove local addresses
> R<@$=w>$-$+		$@$>90$3		Remove local routes/UUCP
> 
> R$*<@$+.uucp>$*		$#remote $@$U $:$1<@$2.uucp>$3	    Forward
> uucp hosts
> R$*<@$+.bitnet>$*	$#remote $@$B $:$1<@$2.bitnet>$3    Forward bitnet
> hosts
> 
> R$*<@$+>$*		$#remote $@$2 $:$1<@$2>$3	Send to remote host
> 
> R$+			$#local $:$1			Everything else
> local
> 
> ########################################
> #  Ruleset 90 - Call rulesets 3 and 0  #
> ########################################
> S90
> 
> R$*			$:$>3$1
> R$*			$@$>0$1
> 
> #####################################
> #  Rulset 3 - Find address portion  #
> #####################################
> S3
> 
> R$@			$@ <@>			Null address special
> R$*<>$*			$@ <@>			Null address special
> R$*<$+>$*		$2			Get address portion
> #Uncomment the following lines to support fancy routing (with :,%) 
> #R@$+,$+			$@$>93<@$1>,$2		Routes with ','...
> #R@$+:$+			$@$>93<@$1>:$2		...or with ':'
> #R$+@$+@$+		$1%$2@$3		All but right @ to %...
> #R$+@$+			$@$>93$1<@$2>		...then accept @
> addresses
> #R$+%$+			$1@$2			Convert all % to
> @...
> #R$+@$+@$+		$1%$2@$3		...all but right @ back to
> %...
> R$+@$+			$@$>93$1<@$2>		...accept new @
> addresses
> 
> ##################################
> #  Rulset 93 - Canonicalization  #
> ##################################
> S93
> 
> R$*<@$=w>$*		$:$1<@$2.>$3		Our names always canonical
> R$*<@$*$=P>$*		$:$1<@$2$3.>$4		Pseudo-domains are canonical
> R$*<@$*$~.>$*		$:$1<@$[$2$3$]>$4	Look up if not canonical
> R$*<@$*.>$*		$1<@$2>$3		Remove trailing dots
> 
> ########################################
> #  Ruleset 4 - Post-rewriting cleanup  #
> ########################################
> S4
> 
> R$*<@>			$@$1			Null address back to
> empty
> R<@$+>$+		$@<$1$2>		Wrap routes in <>
> R$*<@$+>$*		$1@$2$3			Unwrap host part
> 
> #################################
> #  Ruleset 11 - SMTP rewriting  #
> #################################
> S11
> 
> R$*<@$*>$*		$@$1<@$2>$3		Already qualified
> R$+			$:$1<@$j>		Add host if needed
> 
> ################################################
> #  Ruleset 12 - SMTP sender header masquerade  #
> #  This ruleset is not used.  It needs to be   #
> #  changed if you want to use it.              #
> #  To use it up change the Mremote line.       #	
> ################################################
> S12
> 
> R$*<@$=w>		$:$1<@$j>		Masquerade local as domain
> R$*<@$*>$*		$@$1<@$2>$3		Already qualified
> R$+			$:$1<@$j>		Masquerade as domain if no
> host
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Software Engineer
> 
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From lists at thoene.net  Thu Feb  8 05:19:31 2001
From: lists at thoene.net (Matt Thoene)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:19:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] crontab overwritten!!
In-Reply-To: <200102080314.TAA20260@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <NCBBLKFGALMECDPKMIPIEEEKEEAA.lists@thoene.net>

I hope you su'd to the user Mailman before doing the crontab crontab.in!!!
Doing it as root will most certainly overwrite roots crontab entries.

-Matt

::-----Original Message-----
::From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
::[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Mick
::Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:17 PM
::To: demeler at bioc09.v19.uthscsa.edu
::Cc: mailman-users at python.org
::Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] crontab overwritten!!
::
::
::???  The standard Mailman installation does nothing at all with
::crontabs, and certainly nothing with root's crontab.  Did you
::install some RPM or something?
::
::> I recently installed mailman on my server, and just wanted to alert you
::> guys to a serious bug: During the installation my crontab for root was
::> overwritten
::> and replaced in its  entirety with only mailman entries. This caused
::> considerable
::> headaches. You might want to check that the crontab info is *added*
::> instead
::> of overwritten.
::>
::> Thanks, -Borries
::
::
::------------------------------------------------------
::Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
::http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
::




From stoic at honda305.com  Thu Feb  8 07:51:26 2001
From: stoic at honda305.com (Michael Stoic)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:51:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] From vs Sender
Message-ID: <017401c0919b$8f89b920$4a4afed8@speakeasy.net>

Hello,

I am testing a web page Mail-In form that emails the form contents,
including a user supplied email "From" field, to a Mailing List. The ML in
turn distributes the entry to the subscribed members.

In setting up the Mailing List, I'd like to restrict the allowed posters to
be only the "system" - which ends up, SFAICT, being either
nobody at sh2.1-sh.com or mailman at sh2.1-sh.com  In other words, I'd like to
make the ML posing privileges available ONLY to the web page/ OS/ Mailto
Script - whatever is the correct term here - that originates the ML bound
message.

The problem I am running into is that the above values end up in the
 "Sender" variable of the message header, here is an excerpt from the
header:  [ Sender: Nobody nobody at sh2.1-sh.com ], but Mailman 2.01 only wants
to check the "From" variable to perform the filtering.

Since the "From" is user supplied via the form, every time, and therefore
impossible to predict, I can only get the message delivered if the ML is
left open for anyone to post. If I tell Mailman to accept from either
nobody at sh2.1-sh.com or mailman at sh2.1-sh.com or both, he refuses to process
the message.

So the question is: is there a reasonable workaround? Can I get Mailman to
approve messages based on the "Sender" variable instead of the "From"
variable?


Many Thanks!

Michael Stoic
==================
stoic at honda305.com


Honda SuperHawk on the Web
==========================
http://www.honda305.com
==========================




From jcrey at uma.es  Thu Feb  8 08:07:08 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:07:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translations
References: <069001c0915b$9c0bbbc0$4509f094@fer>
Message-ID: <3A82459C.1DB6413D@uma.es>

Fernando Barajas wrote:
> 
> Is there any translation to spanish of the Mailman program?
> 
http://joker.sci.uma.es/mailman/listinfo/bsi

but it is in beta state until internationalized (i18n) mailman were
released.
All Mailman users are waiting for it...

Cheers
-- 
                          ___
                         / F \
                        [[[]]]]
                        ( O O )
   #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
   |    Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es)      |
   |      Servicio Central de inform?tica         |
   |       Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a         |
   #----------------------------------------------#
   #      reynini at 22x28.org   pa los globeros :-) #
   #----------------------------------------------#



From franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in  Thu Feb  8 08:41:15 2001
From: franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in (Francis Jayakanth)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:11:15 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A bug?
In-Reply-To: <017401c0919b$8f89b920$4a4afed8@speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102081302080.2406-100000@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>

Dear Member:

we have been  using mailman ver. 2.0beta6 for about six months now on a
pentium II with RedHat Linux 6.0 this morning I had approved a message.
After a while I realised that multiple copies of this message (in fact
more than 50 copies) ware being broadcasted to the members of the list. 
I would like to know as to why this could have happened and how do I
prevent recurrence of such incidents.

thank you very much,

 - Francis J

National Centre for Science Information (NCSI)
Indian Institute of Science (IISc.)
Bangalore - 560 012
India





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb  8 08:27:26 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 23:27:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A bug?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102081302080.2406-100000@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <B6A78A5E.3BC3%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 2/7/01 11:41 PM, "Francis Jayakanth" <franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in> wrote:

> we have been  using mailman ver. 2.0beta6 for about six months now

> I would like to know as to why this could have happened and how do I
> prevent recurrence of such incidents.

Easy -- if you're using beta releases, upgrade when new betas come out. The
bug you're seeing was fixed long ago. Update to 2.0.1....


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

I tried to get a life once, but they were out of stock.




From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Thu Feb  8 08:48:14 2001
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:48:14 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Digest questions... (Kimberly Sargen)
References: <E14QlPq-0001Lb-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A824F3E.9904FFDA@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> 
>    1. Digest questions... (Kimberly Sargen)
>   ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest questions...
> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 11:57:38 -0800
> From: Kimberly Sargen <ksargen at trianinvestments.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> 
> On some of the lists, we're having a problem with a number of people posting
> HTML/MIME format postings, and then the digest is put out as plain text.
> Well, you know what happens to those messages.  We're trying to find a way
> to EDIT the digest before it goes out, to cut out some of this mess.  We've
> got list members who are quitting due to the size and number of these
> "messy" messages.  Any suggestions?

Tell the users to select MIME-digest option. 
> 
> Also, if worst comes to worst, is there a way to BLOCK HTML/MIME messages
> from the list?  That way at least, people wouldn't be screaming quite so
> much about how big the digests are, and how much wasted bandwidth there
> is...

You can configure to hold the HTML/MIME messages by putting
content-type: multipart
content-type: text/html
in the suspicious headder section at privacy option.

--
Tokio Kikuchi



From A.Levenetz at bigfoot.com  Thu Feb  8 09:39:59 2001
From: A.Levenetz at bigfoot.com (Alexander Levenetz)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:39:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribed email at the bottom of each mail?
Message-ID: <344149676.20010208093959@bigfoot.com>

Hello there,


once in a while I see emails from Mailing-lists where I get at the very
bottom: "You are subscribe as 'email at address.com'". I find this very
useful as people often don't know with which address they are
subscribed. Is there any way to do this with Mailman? TIA,

Alexander
-- 
"The only people who keep 'welcome' messages are
the people who don't need them anyway."





From omar at dit.upm.es  Thu Feb  8 10:46:53 2001
From: omar at dit.upm.es (Omar Walid Llorente)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:46:53 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail address
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102071637430.3575-100000@oasis.dit.upm.es>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102081045050.7851-100000@oasis.dit.upm.es>

	I have solved the problem by using the remove_members
script (./remove_members list "basanez at ioc.upc.es \"luis"). 

	Thanks for your help and sorry for not trying this
before...

	Omar.

El 07.02.01, Omar Walid Llorente dijo:

: 
: :At 19:22 +0100 2/6/01, Omar Walid Llorente wrote:
: :
: :>       Hi, one of my lists admins had put on the Membership
: :>Management Section an incorrect mail address. Exactly what
: :>he put is:
: :>basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis
: :>and that is what shows the Membership page.
: :>
: :
: :>       As far as i know this could modify the mailman behaviour
: :>(version i'm using is 1.1) because the " char. So i need two
: :>things:
: :>
: :>       1. Learn to modify the config.db database to correct the
: :>address (is impossible to unsubscribe this user through the
: :>normal method). Only appear first 3 of the 7 radial buttons
: :>(subscr, hide, nomail, ack, not metoo, digest, plain).
: :
: :Well, the first checkbox is the subscr checkbox, which you say
: :is present...uncheck that and submit changes and the subscriber
: :*may* be removed.  On the other hand, the spaces and quote may
: :prevent it. Or Mailman 1.1 may not work that way.
: :
: 
: 	Yes, the first checkbox is present, but unchecked.
: 
: 
: :Are you saying you tried that and it failed?  Here, in a test
: :list I haven't gotten around to deleting (yet), I was able to
: :add the above faulty address.  It showed up without the
: :' "luis' and I was able to delete it fine by unchecking subscr
: :for the member and submitting changes.  Perhaps I didn't make
: :the same error.
: 
: 	Sorry, what i meant was that what the membership page
: shows is:
: basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis
: not that this was the string the admin entered, because the
: actual string introduced by the admin was:
: basanez at ioc.upc.es "luis basa?ez"
: 
: 	Notice the "?" char in the string introduced... The ascii
: code of the "?" is decimal 241.
: 
: 	I have been able to reproduce the error so i have now two
: lists with this problem...
: 
: 	Thanks for your help.
: 
: 	Omar.
:  
: :Perhaps Mailman 2.0 deals with the bad address better (I've
: :never run 1.1).
: :
: :  --John
: :-- 
: :John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA
: 
: ----------------------------------------------------------------
: Centro de C?lculo         Depto. Ingenier?a Sistemas Telem?ticos
: Fax:(+34) 913367333            Universidad Polit?cnica de Madrid
: E-mail: omar at dit.upm.es             E.T.S. Ing. Telecomunicaci?n
: Tel:(+34) 913367366-Ext.328                 28040 Madrid (Spain)
: ----------------------------------------------------------------
: 
: 
: 

----------------------------------------------------------------
Centro de C?lculo         Depto. Ingenier?a Sistemas Telem?ticos
Fax:(+34) 913367333            Universidad Polit?cnica de Madrid
E-mail: omar at dit.upm.es             E.T.S. Ing. Telecomunicaci?n
Tel:(+34) 913367366-Ext.328                 28040 Madrid (Spain)
----------------------------------------------------------------




From Drew at n-ary.com  Thu Feb  8 11:08:18 2001
From: Drew at n-ary.com (Drew Davidson)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:08:18 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <31470A1D25F5D311940A0020182B88D3124A85@mail.n-ary.com>

Hi 
I have just installed mailman and get the following error:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs
There is nothing showing in the error logs....#

Any suggestions ?

Drew



From franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in  Thu Feb  8 12:46:02 2001
From: franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in (Francis Jayakanth)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:16:02 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A bug?
In-Reply-To: <B6A78A5E.3BC3%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102081712100.24369-100000@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>

Hi:

Upgrading mailman ver 2.0beta6 to mailman 2.0.1 did the trick. Thanks for
your prompt help.

 - Francis


PS
--

We are running mailman on a Linux system. Some members send MS Word files
as postings.  How do I ensure that the attachment file is virus free?


Bye,

 - Francis





From franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in  Thu Feb  8 13:53:12 2001
From: franc at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in (Francis Jayakanth)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:23:12 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A bug?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102081302080.2406-100000@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102081817470.29514-100000@ncsi.iisc.ernet.in>

Hello:

We have just upgraded mailman s/w to ver. 2.0.1 After upgradation we are
having problems again. When messages are posted to
lis-forum at ncsi.iisc.ernet.in the message is not reaching
lis-forum at ncsi....

A crontab message listed below is received by mailman at ncsi


 Cron <mailman at ncsi> /usr/local/bin/python -S
    /home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists
    conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 75, in open_newsgroup
    password=mm_cfg.NNTP_PASSWORD)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__
    self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused')

Can somebody let us know what the problem is?

Thanks,

 - Francis






From barbara at sprog.auc.dk  Thu Feb  8 14:04:08 2001
From: barbara at sprog.auc.dk (Barbara Johansen)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:04:08 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
In-Reply-To: <20010205133744.J22122@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.1010208135341.28724A-100000@sprog.auc.dk>

Theese locked files come as soon as I try to subscribe to a list.
I does not help to remove them.

I try a complete new installation,
run the securelinux_fix
but the problem is the same:

No subscribing mail after newlist, newalias.
But the logs/smtp said:
Feb 08 13:26:00 2001 (5182) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.424 seconds
Does that indicate that a message IS send?
Where can I find it?

When I try to subscribe through the web the "Hit a bug" message appears.

The error log shows nothing until I try to subscribe through the web.

Feb 08 13:59:45 2001 admin(5568):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(5568): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.1 -----]
admin(5568): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(5568): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(5568):   File "/pack/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(5568):     main()
admin(5568):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 55, in main
admin(5568):     mlist.Save()
admin(5568):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save
admin(5568):     self.__save(dict)
admin(5568):   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save
admin(5568):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(5568): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(5568): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(5568): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, May  9 2000, 15:05:56)  [GCC
2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)]
admin(5568): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(5568): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(5568): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(5568): sys.path       = /usr
admin(5568): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(5568): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(5568):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/httpd/html
admin(5568):    SERVER_ADDR: 130.225.50.60
admin(5568):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(5568):    CONTENT_LENGTH: 60
admin(5568):    CONTENT_TYPE: application/x-www-form-urlencoded
admin(5568):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/httpd/html/atest
admin(5568):    REMOTE_ADDR: 192.168.209.2
admin(5568):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer/1.3.12
(NetRevolution/Linux-Mandrake) PHP
/3.0.16 mod_perl/1.22
admin(5568):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(5568):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: da,en
admin(5568):    REMOTE_PORT: 1178
admin(5568):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(5568):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(5568):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.73 [en] (WinNT; U)
admin(5568):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(5568):    HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(5568):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/subscribe/atest
admin(5568):    QUERY_STRING: 
admin(5568):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(5568):    PATH_INFO: /atest
admin(5568):    HTTP_HOST: miiisp.control.auc.dk
admin(5568):    REQUEST_METHOD: POST
admin(5568):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
admin(5568):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/subscribe
admin(5568):    SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(5568):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /pack/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe
admin(5568):    PYTHONPATH: /pack/mailman
admin(5568):    HTTP_REFERER:
http://miiisp.control.auc.dk/mailman/listinfo/atest
admin(5568):    SERVER_NAME: www.miiisp.control.auc.dk

I'm close to giving up... hope you have any suggestions?
regards
Barbara


On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Marc MERLIN wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 09:53:31PM +0100, Barbara Johansen wrote:
> > > Anyway, another option is to just copy securelinux_fix.py from the contrib
> > > dir in the source code tree to ~mailman/bin, and run it.
> > > 
> > > Marc
> > 
> > I did.
> > Nothing changed.
> > No notification mail to the owner.
> > Hit a bug when I try to subscribe through the webpage.
> > This results in an error in the mailman/logs/error (at the end og this
> > mail)
> > I wonder if it's the serurelinux_fix.py who is setting a capital S in some
> > of the directories? What does that mean?
> > 
> > I also wonder what the securelinux_fix means with
> > 
> > 	 run %(PROGRAM) -f
> > What does PROGRAM stands for?
> > 
> > Here comes the error log. Can you figure out what's wrong?
> > 
> > 
> > Feb 05 21:53:18 2001 (27075) Delivery exception: 
> > Feb 05 21:53:18 2001 (27075) Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "../Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
> >     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> >   File "../Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 77, in process
> >     mlist.Lock()
> >   File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
> >     self.__lock.lock(timeout)
> >   File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 266, in lock
> >     raise AlreadyLockedError
> > AlreadyLockedError: 
> 
> Yeah, you have some old locks left behind due to the problem you had.
> rm ~mailman/locks/* and things should be better after that.
> 
> Marc
> -- 
> Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
>                                       .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
>   
> Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail..python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

Barbara B. Johansen
Faculty of Humanities
Computing office
Aalborg University
Kroghstraede 3
DK 9220 Aalborg




From gdinwiddie at min.net  Thu Feb  8 16:28:16 2001
From: gdinwiddie at min.net (George Dinwiddie)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:28:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-id?
In-Reply-To: <20010206015154.D23980@mallorn.com> from "Christopher P. Lindsey" at Feb 6, 1 01:51:54 am
Message-ID: <200102081528.KAA16141@min.net>

Hmmm...  Trashing mail without a Message-Id: header is my most effective
spam filter.

 - George

> Christopher P. Lindsey said:
> 
> > When people subscribe, using the web, and mailman sendt the mail with
> > the secret to prove your identity, it sends it without any Message-Id
> > line. I process mails using SMTP to my local qmail installation (so
> > SMTP to localhost) and qmail does not add any Message-Id either.
> 
> If qmail doesn't add a Message-Id: header it's not reasonable to expect
> Mailman to insert one either.  However, RFC 822 specifically states that
> a Message-Id: header is *optional*, so Mailman isn't violating anything
> by not adding one.
> 
> > The result is, that the mail is delivered to the target users mailhost
> > without any Message-Id line at all, and some mailsystem is configured
> > to performs header check and will reject such mails.
> 
> The systems that reject emails without Message-Id: headers are non-RFC
> compliant and should be flogged.  Sending 10MB attachments with the 
> envelope sender set to postmaster at broken.example.com without a Message-Id:
> is the only appropriate course of action...  (no, I'm only kidding about
> this last sentence).
> 
> Chris


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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb  8 16:44:27 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 07:44:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-id?
In-Reply-To: <200102081528.KAA16141@min.net>
Message-ID: <B6A7FEDB.3C15%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 2/8/01 7:28 AM, "George Dinwiddie" <gdinwiddie at min.net> wrote:

> Hmmm...  Trashing mail without a Message-Id: header is my most effective
> spam filter.

It's just against the RFCs and subject to (as you now find out) false
positives. Makes one wonder how much of that spam you think it's effective
against isn't... 


-- 
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It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end.




From lennu at tietoverkot.net  Thu Feb  8 16:41:53 2001
From: lennu at tietoverkot.net (Len Merikanto)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:41:53 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RTFM, yeah must have been mentioned here b4
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102081739420.50393-100000@mail.tietoverkot.net>

The original message was received at Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:48:10 +0200
from [192.168.0.122]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: <test at foobar.fi>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
2?)
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error
2

have installed like 4 or 5 mailmans on freebsd machines and this bitchy 
linux just doesnt swallow it?

what might be wrong?

Len Merikanto,		Phone:	+358968691950
Tietoverkot Oy		Mobile:	+358409008494
Munkkisaarenkatu 2	Fax:	+358968691935
00150 Helsinki, Finland






From gdinwiddie at min.net  Thu Feb  8 17:09:59 2001
From: gdinwiddie at min.net (George Dinwiddie)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:09:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message-id?
In-Reply-To: <B6A7FEDB.3C15%chuqui@plaidworks.com> from "Chuq Von Rospach" at Feb 8, 1 07:44:27 am
Message-ID: <200102081609.LAA20719@min.net>

I don't think the RFCs have anything to say about what email I read
and what I throw away.  And, I don't route directly to /dev/null; I
toss it into a spam folder that I check about once a month.  There's
very little legitimate email in there.  What little there is, is 
always machine-generated.  I've notified a few of the senders that
they're sending mail without a Message-Id and most have changed
their mailbots.  A few have gone out of business.

 - George "But, I don't like Spam."

> Chuq Von Rospach said:
> 
> On 2/8/01 7:28 AM, "George Dinwiddie" <gdinwiddie at min.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hmmm...  Trashing mail without a Message-Id: header is my most effective
> > spam filter.
> 
> It's just against the RFCs and subject to (as you now find out) false
> positives. Makes one wonder how much of that spam you think it's effective
> against isn't... 

-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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  The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in
  sailing.                                    http://www.Alberg30.org/
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb  8 17:20:00 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:20:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RTFM, yeah must have been mentioned here b4
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102081739420.50393-100000@mail.tietoverkot.net>
Message-ID: <3A82C72F.3D5B7D39@pcraft.com>

Len Merikanto wrote:

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
> 2?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error
> 2
>
> have installed like 4 or 5 mailmans on freebsd machines and this bitchy
> linux just doesnt swallow it?

    Read the error message again, and read the suggestion it gives you.

    Error: WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.
    Suggestion: Reconfigure to take 2?

    Also helpful to read is the INSTALL file that comes with Mailman,
specifically section 2:

    2. Running configure

    TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE --with-mail-gid AND --with-cgi-gid
    OPTIONS BELOW.  YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO USE THESE!

    .....
    [ ... snip ... ]
    .....

          --with-groupname=<groupname-or-gid>
            Specify a different groupname than `mailman' to use as a
            default.  Use this only if the groupname `mailman' is
            already in use.  Can take an integer group id.  Be sure
            your $prefix directory is group-owned by this group.



    So yes, RTFM.  It's written for a reason.

    AMK4

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb  8 17:39:37 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:39:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RTFM, yeah must have been mentioned here b4
References: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102081739420.50393-100000@mail.tietoverkot.net>
Message-ID: <3A82CBC9.903B385F@pcraft.com>

Len Merikanto wrote:

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
> 2?)
> 554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error
> 2
>
> have installed like 4 or 5 mailmans on freebsd machines and this bitchy
> linux just doesnt swallow it?

    *****  MESSAGE RECALL: WRONG INFO  *****
    Reason: Wrong section quoted


----------
    Read the error message again, and read the suggestion it gives you.

    Error: WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.
    Suggestion: Reconfigure to take 2?

    Also helpful to read is the INSTALL file that comes with Mailman,
specifically section 2:

    2. Running configure

    TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE --with-mail-gid AND --with-cgi-gid
    OPTIONS BELOW.  YOU WILL PROBABLY NEED TO USE THESE!

    .....
    [ ... snip ... ]
    .....

>          --with-groupname=<groupname-or-gid>
>            Specify a different groupname than `mailman' to use as a
>            default.  Use this only if the groupname `mailman' is
>            already in use.  Can take an integer group id.  Be sure
>            your $prefix directory is group-owned by this group.



    This was supposed to be the following section:

      --with-mail-gid=<group-or-groups>
            Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
            mail wrapper.  <group-or-groups> can be a list of one or
            more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
            value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
            used.  By default, the value is the list `other daemon'.

            This is highly system dependent and you must get this
            right, because the group id is compiled into the mail
            wrapper program for added security.  On systems using
            sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates
            the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser"
            option.  (If commented out, it still may be indicating the
            default...)


	AMK4

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From jeffp at generalist.org  Thu Feb  8 18:38:00 2001
From: jeffp at generalist.org (Jeff Poretsky)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:38:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mta problem
Message-ID: <20010208173800.AC85DBBAC@generalist.org>

Hopefully a quick question.

linux kernel 2.2.17,
postfix MTA

I created user, group and home directory mailman as root.
I created the /etc/aliases entry
I installed mailman from the mailman account.

it installs properly but after I create a list and try sending to it i 
get a message that it wants a different GID. that of mail (19).

I tried configure with the set gid option set to 19 and it still fails.

The only way i can see to fix this is to install and run as mail. But
this looks like a security hole.

Any ideas?


Thanks alot.

JeffP



From tkeller at bbn.com  Thu Feb  8 19:01:37 2001
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:01:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems receiving mail
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010208130137.006cdad4@rospo1.bbn.com>

Hi, 
  Sorry if this is a redundant post.  I just installed mailman on a RH 7.0
machine, created a test mailing list and configured the list.  
  The problem is that when I send a mail message to test@????.???.com
I get a message saying it could not be delivered.  Part of the message is
below.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thankyou,
Tom 

>"|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>    (reason: service unavailable)
>    (expanded from: <test@????.???.com>)
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
>554 5.0.0 "|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable
>Reporting-MTA: dns; ????.???.com
>Received-From-MTA: DNS; ????.???.com
>Arrival-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:49:37 -0500
>
>
(410)312-6937 Office
(877)459-4087 Beeper




From djoek at djeezes.com  Thu Feb  8 20:58:22 2001
From: djoek at djeezes.com (Kris 'dJOEk' Vandecruys)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:58:22 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with the cgi's
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0102082046390.10828-100000@ns.djeezes.com>

hi,

the www-scripts don't run: 500 Internal server error
my error logs shows this:

[Thu Feb  8 20:43:48 2001] [error] (1)Operation not permitted: exec of
/opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin failed
[Thu Feb  8 20:43:48 2001] [error] [client 194.119.237.2] Premature end of
script headers: /opt/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin


I use suEXEC, but no errors show up in the suexec_errorlog
so, i tried everything in the manual, and in the mailinglist archives and
so on ...

-rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30794 Feb  8 19:49 admin
-rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     30798 Feb  8 19:49 admindb
...

the topdir perms are also correct

now, if I su to user www (as which apache runs the scripts) and try to
exec one of the scripts directly (via console) i also get an operation not
permitted... DESPITE the fact that it's compiled to work setgid www...

so even if all the perms (for as far as I can tell) are correct, the
script still gives an error ...

what's wrong ???

-- 
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Webmaster & Database admin of Djeezes.com




From lists at thoene.net  Fri Feb  9 00:03:12 2001
From: lists at thoene.net (Matt Thoene)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:03:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages going to list
Message-ID: <NCBBLKFGALMECDPKMIPIEEGNEEAA.lists@thoene.net>

Hi,

On a small MailMan list I'm running (30-40 users) the list occasionally
receives duplicate, and on some occasions triplicate, messages.  It happens
sporadically so it's hard to pin down exactly what's causing it.  The list
will go for a few days running fine, then the next day send a few dups.
Anyone else run into this kind of problem before?

Thanks.

-Matt




From silberj at kpe.com  Fri Feb  9 00:07:48 2001
From: silberj at kpe.com (Jacob Silber)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:07:48 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Outlook / Exchange
Message-ID: <691DBE9A8205D41195A400B0D0219AA8014A10E4@mailny01.kpe.com>

Hi,

I've got Mailman up and running (mostly) with demime taking care of MIME
issues. The only problem I've run into so far is mail generated by Outlook
not being properly archived by pipermail. While the emails make it into the
archive, they are not threaded in the index. Emails generated by Pine or by
"mail" seem to be ok. I haven't had too much chance to test other email
clients.

The problem displayed itself both with and without the use of demime.

I have two questions about this:

1) Anyone come across this problem? How did you fix it?

2) What fields does pipermail use to generate the threaded archive index? Is
there anyway to tweak this, considering I know no python?

Platform Description:

Redhat 6.2
Apache 1.3.12
Sendmail 8.11.1
Mailman 2.0.1
Python 1.5.2
Demime .98a

Thanks for your help.


---- 
Jacob Silber 
Manager, Systems Engineering 
<kpe>
silberj at kpe.com 



From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Fri Feb  9 00:25:51 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:25:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <200102082323.PAA14877@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Hi 
> I have just installed mailman and get the following error:
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.1
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
> the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs
> There is nothing showing in the error logs....#
> 
> Any suggestions ?

Permissions problem.  Try check_perms again (and read the instructions
carefully for how to run it).  Make sure your ~mailman/logs directory
is writable, even if you have to make it 777 to do so until you
can resolve the problem correctly, so that you can get error
logs to examine.




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Fri Feb  9 00:33:58 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:33:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A bug?
Message-ID: <200102082332.PAA15109@utopia.west.sun.com>

>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 111, in __init__
>     self.sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
> socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused')
> 
> Can somebody let us know what the problem is?

It says "connection refused", which sure looks like a daemon isn't
running.




From matt at warezstein.com  Fri Feb  9 02:25:38 2001
From: matt at warezstein.com (Matt)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:25:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can you force archive?
Message-ID: <01d301c09237$35ef36a0$0701a8c0@home>

Can you manually force an archive of all messages?  (other than turning archival to 'daily' and waiting for a day?)

thx
matt
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From J.S.Harlim at hw.ac.uk  Fri Feb  9 12:36:16 2001
From: J.S.Harlim at hw.ac.uk (J.S.Harlim at hw.ac.uk)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:36:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We Hit a Bug!
Message-ID: <981718576.3a83d630614eb@wmail.hw.ac.uk>

We tried to run Archive (under Mailman V2.0Beta5) running on Red Hat 
Linux V7.0 with the following error message. I'd appreciate it very 
much if any one out there could shed some light on it. Many Thanks. 
Please see below for the error message.

---
Jongky S. Harlim
Computing Services, Heriot-Watt University,
Riccarton, Edinburgh EH14 4AS
Phone: +44 (0)131-451-3268  Fax: +44 (0)131-451-3261
Email: J.S.Harlim at hw.ac.uk

---------------- Start of Error Message ----------------------
Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 91, in run_main
    module = getattr(pkg, scriptname)
AttributeError: archives





Python information:

     Variable
                                           Value
 sys.version
                 1.5.2 (#1, Aug 25 2000, 09:33:37) [GCC 2.96 20000731 
(experimental)] 
 sys.executable
                 /usr/bin/python 
 sys.prefix
                 /usr 
 sys.exec_prefix
                 /usr 
 sys.path
                 /usr 
 sys.platform
                 linux-i386 




Environment variables:

       Variable
                                                                              
Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                      /home/mailman/ 
 SERVER_ADDR 
                      137.195.148.74 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
                      gzip 
 SERVER_PORT 
                      80 
 PATH_TRANSLATED 
                      /home/mailman/public/test/ 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                      137.195.148.47 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                      Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) 
mod_ssl/2.6.6 OpenSSL/0.9.5a mod_perl/1.24 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
                      en 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                      1215 
 SERVER_NAME 
                      rm13pc3.cen.hw.ac.uk 
 HTTP_CONNECTION 
                      Keep-Alive 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                      Mozilla/4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
                      iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                      image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, 
image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                      /mailman/archives/public/test/ 
 PATH 
                      /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin 
 QUERY_STRING 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                      /home/mailman/cgi-bin/archives 
 PATH_INFO 
                      /public/test/ 
 HTTP_HOST 
                      rm13pc3.cen.hw.ac.uk 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                      GET 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
                      Apache/1.3.12 Server at rm13pc3.cen.hw.ac.uk 
Port 80
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                      /mailman/archives 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                      root at localhost 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                      CGI/1.1 
 PYTHONPATH 
                      /home/mailman 
 HTTP_COOKIE 
                      
test:admin=280200000069c9cf833a732800000036323131333838383830613765643
537653133373633646565663832643736636530356663633235
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                      HTTP/1.0 
 HTTP_REFERER 
                      
http://rm13pc3.cen.hw.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/test 

---------------------- End of Error Message --------------------



From tkeller at bbn.com  Fri Feb  9 13:36:13 2001
From: tkeller at bbn.com (Thomas Keller)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 07:36:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems receiving mail
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20010209073613.006e0fe4@rospo1.bbn.com>

Sorry for the repost, but did not receive any answers on this.

Hi, 
  I just installed mailman on a RH 7.0 machine, created a test mailing list and configured the list.  
  The problem is that when I send a mail message to test@????.???.com
I get a message saying it could not be delivered.  Part of the message is
below.  Any help would be appreciated.

Thankyou,
Tom 

>"|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
>>    (reason: service unavailable)
>>    (expanded from: <test@????.???.com>)
>>
>>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>>smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
>>554 5.0.0 "|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable
>>Reporting-MTA: dns; ????.???.com
>>Received-From-MTA: DNS; ????.???.com
>>Arrival-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:49:37 -0500
>>
>>
(410)312-6937 Office
(877)459-4087 Beeper




From travisll at comfedcu.org  Fri Feb  9 13:39:40 2001
From: travisll at comfedcu.org (Travis Llewellyn)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:39:40 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 7.0 and Mailman
Message-ID: <01e201c09295$5f809aa0$ce0dbfd0@llewellyn>

One thing that some of you running Redhat 7.0 may want to look at when
compiling Mailman is setting CC to kgcc instead of gcc. When I compile
mailman with gcc that is included with Redhat 7.0 it had quite a few errors.
When compiled with kgcc (Which is included with RH 7) no errors or warnings
were reported.

It really does not seem to make a difference with the running but I have not
done that much testing to see if it does infact make a difference. I do know
that you can not compile a fresh kernel with the gcc included with RH 7, you
have to use kgcc.

Just thought I would let everyone know.

Also if anyone has found out how to fix Mailman so that messages from
Outlook/Exchange can be archived and keep the threads please let me know.
Now when I post a message it acts like it can't thread them if the message
comes from Outlook/Exchange.

Thanks

Travis Llewellyn




From travisll at comfedcu.org  Fri Feb  9 14:30:15 2001
From: travisll at comfedcu.org (Travis Llewellyn)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:30:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems receiving mail
References: <3.0.3.32.20010209073613.006e0fe4@rospo1.bbn.com>
Message-ID: <020e01c0929c$700122d0$ce0dbfd0@llewellyn>

Thomas,

You need to ad a symlink to "/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper" in the directory
/etc/smrsh. This is part of sendmails security.

Travis Llewellyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Keller" <tkeller at bbn.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 6:36 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems receiving mail


> Sorry for the repost, but did not receive any answers on this.
>
> Hi,
>   I just installed mailman on a RH 7.0 machine, created a test mailing
list and configured the list.
>   The problem is that when I send a mail message to test@????.???.com
> I get a message saying it could not be delivered.  Part of the message is
> below.  Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thankyou,
> Tom
>
> >"|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> >>    (reason: service unavailable)
> >>    (expanded from: <test@????.???.com>)
> >>
> >>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> >>smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> >>554 5.0.0 "|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable
> >>Reporting-MTA: dns; ????.???.com
> >>Received-From-MTA: DNS; ????.???.com
> >>Arrival-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:49:37 -0500
> >>
> >>
> (410)312-6937 Office
> (877)459-4087 Beeper
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From matt at warezstein.com  Fri Feb  9 14:42:25 2001
From: matt at warezstein.com (Matt)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:42:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems receiving mail
References: <3.0.3.32.20010209073613.006e0fe4@rospo1.bbn.com> <020e01c0929c$700122d0$ce0dbfd0@llewellyn>
Message-ID: <002d01c0929e$2343ae20$0701a8c0@home>

If it helps anyone... [the below] doesn't work if you've installed sendmail
from source, and used the *defaults*.  Redhats 'install' of sendmail seems
to use /etc/smrsh, but the default sendmail install uses /usr/adm/sm.bin/.
It took me forever to figure this out, especially since /etc/smrsh was
already there, but /usr/adm/sm.bin/ wasn't.  If using /etc/smrsh/ doesn't
work for you, just create the /usr/adm/sm.bin/ directory and link  your
wrapper from there.

thx
matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Llewellyn" <travisll at comfedcu.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; "Thomas Keller" <tkeller at bbn.com>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems receiving mail


> Thomas,
>
> You need to ad a symlink to "/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper" in the directory
> /etc/smrsh. This is part of sendmails security.
>
> Travis Llewellyn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thomas Keller" <tkeller at bbn.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 6:36 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems receiving mail
>
>
> > Sorry for the repost, but did not receive any answers on this.
> >
> > Hi,
> >   I just installed mailman on a RH 7.0 machine, created a test mailing
> list and configured the list.
> >   The problem is that when I send a mail message to test@????.???.com
> > I get a message saying it could not be delivered.  Part of the message
is
> > below.  Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thankyou,
> > Tom
> >
> > >"|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> > >>    (reason: service unavailable)
> > >>    (expanded from: <test@????.???.com>)
> > >>
> > >>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > >>smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > >>554 5.0.0 "|/u1/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable
> > >>Reporting-MTA: dns; ????.???.com
> > >>Received-From-MTA: DNS; ????.???.com
> > >>Arrival-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:49:37 -0500
> > >>
> > >>
> > (410)312-6937 Office
> > (877)459-4087 Beeper
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Fri Feb  9 14:56:05 2001
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 06:56:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Site requests
Message-ID: <3A83F6F5.D04FDD99@kinfolk.org>

PLEASE!! list the current version number on the main page somewhere.
Also, please post the change log somewhere obvious on the web site.

These two quite small things would save many of us hours of work and
many megabytes of downloads.






From cht at ccil.org  Fri Feb  9 15:02:36 2001
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:02:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The value of a list
In-Reply-To: <002d01c0929e$2343ae20$0701a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102090901360.2142-100000@mercury.ccil.org>

Hi all,
I have the task of placing a $ value on providing and administering a list
to an organization.  The lists contributed will range in size from 20 to
400.  Can anyone help?

Del







From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Feb  9 15:55:28 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:25:28 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 7.0 and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <01e201c09295$5f809aa0$ce0dbfd0@llewellyn>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102092024120.7417-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 9, 2001 at 06:39, Travis Llewellyn wrote:

>One thing that some of you running Redhat 7.0 may want to look at when
>compiling Mailman is setting CC to kgcc instead of gcc. When I compile
>mailman with gcc that is included with Redhat 7.0 it had quite a few errors.
>When compiled with kgcc (Which is included with RH 7) no errors or warnings
>were reported.

The gcc shipped with RH 7 is supposed to be broken. The 'special' kernel
gcc (kgcc) is not broken. On RH7, gcc itself will compile everything, but
for kernel compiles it won't work, you need the unbroken version.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
ASCII Ribbon campaign against HTML Usenet posts and e-mail




From jerrya at jerrya.net  Fri Feb  9 16:45:14 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:45:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving MIME attachments to the server...
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102090936250.24439-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

I would like to set up a list where attached files are removed from the
message, put on the server, and replaced with a URL before being sent to
the recipients. 

Has anyone done this, or is there a utility that could help me? Someone
here mentioned demime yesterday to strip out attachments, but that's not
quite what I want to do.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From gleblanc at cu-portland.edu  Fri Feb  9 17:36:24 2001
From: gleblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 09 Feb 2001 08:36:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redhat 7.0 and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102092024120.7417-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <E14RGXu-0006eU-00@mail.python.org>

On 09 Feb 2001 20:25:28 +0530, Satya wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2001 at 06:39, Travis Llewellyn wrote:
> 
> >One thing that some of you running Redhat 7.0 may want to look at when
> >compiling Mailman is setting CC to kgcc instead of gcc. When I compile
> >mailman with gcc that is included with Redhat 7.0 it had quite a few errors.
> >When compiled with kgcc (Which is included with RH 7) no errors or warnings
> >were reported.
> 
> The gcc shipped with RH 7 is supposed to be broken. The 'special' kernel
> gcc (kgcc) is not broken. On RH7, gcc itself will compile everything, but
> for kernel compiles it won't work, you need the unbroken version.

The compiler shipped wit the updates to RH7 works very nicely, thank
you.  There are a few more warnings, mostly caused by more strict
enforcement of the ANSI C standards.  They ship a special kernel
compiler, and the kernel SRPMs automatically use that compiler.  You
shouldn't need kgcc for anything other than the kernel, although there
may be a few really old broken programs that don't work properly.
BTW, there are mailman RPMs in the RedHat PowerTools collection.  I've
been using them, and they seem to work really well.  (plus, they make
upgrades much nicer)

    Greg




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb  9 19:21:56 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:21:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web Site requests
In-Reply-To: <3A83F6F5.D04FDD99@kinfolk.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010209101610.03ba2008@mail.atfantasy.com>

At 06:56 AM 2/9/2001 -0700, Richard wrote:
>PLEASE!! list the current version number on the main page somewhere.
>Also, please post the change log somewhere obvious on the web site.
>
>These two quite small things would save many of us hours of work and
>many megabytes of downloads.

I agree that adding something to the web site would be helpful.

Always download copies of the program with the largest number in the file 
name.  That helps to ensure that you're working with the most recent 
version.  This is a general rule, so you'll be able to apply it other sites 
in addition to the mailman site.

-Ed




From info at cpadirectoryinc.com  Fri Feb  9 18:42:49 2001
From: info at cpadirectoryinc.com (info at cpadirectoryinc.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chat Live with a CPA
Message-ID: <0cf110621180921CPADIRECTORY@cpadirectory.cpadirectory.com>


FREE Chat with a CPA on your tax questions, wondering what 8a on your 1040
means. Our CPAs will answer your questions FREE.  Need a CPA in your area?
Search our 450,000 CPA database by city, state and industry.

<a href="http://www.cpadirectory.com/cpadirectory/askacpa/ask_live_chat.cfm"> 
http://www.cpadirectory.com/cpadirectory/askacpa/ask_live_chat.cfm </a>

Articles and FAQ's on Buying a Business, Estate Taxes, College Aid and
Financial Investments are also on

<a href="http://www.cpadirectory.com"> http://www.cpadirectory.com </a>

If you have received this email in error or wish to be removed from our
list, email info at cpadirectoryinc.com with unsubscribe as the subject.







From techgrrl at beeze.com  Fri Feb  9 20:06:02 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:06:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Member from Multiple Lists
Message-ID: <00f801c092cb$5c4efa30$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com>

I think I'm losing my mind. I could have sworn that there was a command
which allowed me to remove a single address from multiple lists. Now I can't
find it. Did I just imagine it or did it disappear in the latest version?

 -- Sarah





From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb  9 20:12:23 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:12:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chat Live with a CPA
In-Reply-To: <0cf110621180921CPADIRECTORY@cpadirectory.cpadirectory.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010209111144.039f4ba8@mail.atfantasy.com>

Getting email spam on this list is kind of ironic, don't you think? hehe



At 12:42 PM 2/9/2001 -0500, info at cpadirectoryinc.com wrote:


>FREE Chat with a CPA on your tax questions, wondering what 8a on your 1040
>means. Our CPAs will answer your questions FREE.  Need a CPA in your area?
>Search our 450,000 CPA database by city, state and industry.
>
><a href="http://www.cpadirectory.com/cpadirectory/askacpa/ask_live_chat.cfm">
>http://www.cpadirectory.com/cpadirectory/askacpa/ask_live_chat.cfm </a>
>
>Articles and FAQ's on Buying a Business, Estate Taxes, College Aid and
>Financial Investments are also on
>
><a href="http://www.cpadirectory.com"> http://www.cpadirectory.com </a>
>
>If you have received this email in error or wish to be removed from our
>list, email info at cpadirectoryinc.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From reb at taco.com  Fri Feb  9 20:20:06 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:20:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chat Live with a CPA
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010209111144.039f4ba8@mail.atfantasy.com>
References: <0cf110621180921CPADIRECTORY@cpadirectory.cpadirectory.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209141805.03410d58@taco.com>

At 11:12 AM 2/9/2001 -0800, Ed Lazor wrote:
>Getting email spam on this list is kind of ironic, don't you think? hehe

I *REALLY* think this list needs to have moderation turned on for posts by 
non-subscribers. I get the point about having it be open, but if you can't 
take the time to subscribe and post your question then you deserve to wait 
a little longer to receive a response. Besides, it seems to me that the 
VAST majority of non-subscriber messages here are, indeed, spam.

reb




From oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe  Fri Feb  9 21:06:17 2001
From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:06:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Web Pages
Message-ID: <0c2a01c092d4$04ca9040$890184a1@PC1137>

Hello list members:

I am using version 1.1 of Mailman, that was move from one server to
another.
Mails from all the lists are being send and received normally.
The problem I am encountering is that the web access to the
administration pages keep asking me the requiered password on each page
that is been requested.

Please suggest me what to in order to solve this problem

TIA

--
Oscar






From mwaterhouse at cix.co.uk  Fri Feb  9 21:20:00 2001
From: mwaterhouse at cix.co.uk (Martin Waterhouse)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:20 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Set-Up Problem / Bug
In-Reply-To: <20010203163830.42826.qmail@tkt.pair.com>
Message-ID: <memo.20010209202045.36793A@mwaterhouse.compulink.co.uk>

Hi

Not sure if this is a Mailman V2 bug or a set-up problem.

Customising the HTML for the sign-up results, and options results pages 
I've found extra HTML inserted beyond what is in the custom box.

I get extra head and body tags at the top as follows:

<HTML>
<HEAD>
</HEAD>
<BODY
<BODY bgcolor="#ffffff">

Along with the extra closing tags at the bottom:

</BODY>
</HTML>

Not a fatal error, just overides my background colours with white!

Martin
mwaterhouse at cix.co.uk



From reb at taco.com  Fri Feb  9 21:23:21 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:23:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Web Pages
In-Reply-To: <0c2a01c092d4$04ca9040$890184a1@PC1137>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209152146.033c5008@taco.com>

At 03:06 PM 2/9/2001 -0500, Oscar Valdez wrote:
>Hello list members:
>
>I am using version 1.1 of Mailman, that was move from one server to
>another.
>Mails from all the lists are being send and received normally.
>The problem I am encountering is that the web access to the
>administration pages keep asking me the requiered password on each page
>that is been requested.
>
>Please suggest me what to in order to solve this problem

Are cookies turned off in your browser? That's the most likely cause. The 
initial login page says this:

>Session cookies are used in Mailman's administrative interface so that you 
>don't need to re-authenticate with every administrative operation. This 
>cookie will expire automatically when you exit your browser, or you can 
>explicitly expire the cookie by hitting the Logout link under Other 
>Administrative Activities (which you'll see once you successfully log in).

reb




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb  9 21:36:26 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:36:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chat Live with a CPA
References: <0cf110621180921CPADIRECTORY@cpadirectory.cpadirectory.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010209141805.03410d58@taco.com>
Message-ID: <3A8454CA.D31DBE3B@west.sun.com>


Phydeaux wrote:

> Besides, it seems to me that the
> VAST majority of non-subscriber messages here are, indeed, spam.

How on earth do you know that?



From reb at taco.com  Fri Feb  9 21:48:30 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:48:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Chat Live with a CPA
In-Reply-To: <3A8454CA.D31DBE3B@west.sun.com>
References: <0cf110621180921CPADIRECTORY@cpadirectory.cpadirectory.com>
 <5.0.2.1.0.20010209141805.03410d58@taco.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209154449.033a2b68@taco.com>

At 12:36 PM 2/9/2001 -0800, Dan Mick wrote:


>Phydeaux wrote:
>
> > Besides, it seems to me that the
> > VAST majority of non-subscriber messages here are, indeed, spam.
>
>How on earth do you know that?

I don't *KNOW* that -- I said "It seems to me." Why did I say this? Because
when people are not subscribed and they ask questions they will usually ask
you to reply directly to them. That doesn't seem to be the case here.

I see no reason why the owner(s) of this list shouldn't set it to  moderate
posts from non-subscribers. Then again, as this is not my list I don't get to
make that choice...

reb




From Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com  Fri Feb  9 21:55:56 2001
From: Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com (Fazal Aslam)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 14:55:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] securepoint.com
Message-ID: <3A84595C.F2070983@Tellabs.com>

An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20010209/66c55506/attachment.html 

From Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com  Fri Feb  9 22:17:13 2001
From: Fazal.Aslam at tellabs.com (Fazal Aslam)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:17:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] securepoint.com
Message-ID: <3A845E59.CEE327A3@Tellabs.com>

Does any one know what tool

securepoint.com USES to search and

archive the mailman e-mail??? thanks




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb  9 22:21:17 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:21:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email headers, follow-up
In-Reply-To: <0c2a01c092d4$04ca9040$890184a1@PC1137>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010209122012.034a5008@mail.atfantasy.com>

Since my post the other day, I've been getting a lot of personal email 
asking how to remove the extra headers in the most recent version of 
Mailman.  I've responded individually to help as much as possible, but 
maybe it's time I posted something to the mailman users list.

In addition, some of the responses I received make me think I should 
clarify a few things.

A bunch of developers, including those publishing Mailman, are trying to 
improve email on the Internet by adding features.  Additional headers are 
part of these new features and you begin to see them after upgrading to the 
most recent version of Mailman.

For everyone to benefit from these new features, they must first become a 
standard.  A proposal for this standard has been presented and, according 
to Roger B.A. Klorese, it's called RFC822.  This proposal must be accepted 
and implemented by a large portion of people across the Internet to become 
a standard.

The authors of Mailman have shown their support by adding these features to 
Mailman.  I think this is wonderful and I support this.  At the same time, 
please don't make me turn around and force this upon others.  Let everyone 
make their own choice.  You can do this by having support for these new 
features in Mailman and making their use optional.

In this way, you show support for the proposed standard.  You give people 
the chance to upgrade their email clients at their leisure.  You also avoid 
situations where end-users are called overly sensitive simply because they 
don't want to see the new headers.

Forcing change meets resistance.  Offering new optional features opens the 
eyes of curiosity and wonder.

I'm sure everyone here appreciates the idea of the Open Source.  One of the 
fundamental concepts of Open Source is empowering people with tools they 
can use in any way they choose.

I was lucky, because I was able to go in and modify one of the source files 
and remove the extra headers (I hope I did it right, because it was the 
first time I've even seen Python).  I'm trying to help people by presenting 
those changes here.  The  attitudes displayed by some on this list make me 
feel as if I'm going around someone by doing this.

Please understand that I do support the standard.  I also support the Open 
Source idea of presenting people with options so they can do what they 
want.  If the developers of Mailman could make these changes optional and 
part of the standard distribution, it would be absolutely wonderful!

-Ed


$base/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.
"""Cook a message's Subject header.
"""
import string
import re
import urlparse
from Mailman import mm_cfg

def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
# Mark the message as dirty so that its text will be forced to disk next
# time it's queued.
msgdata['_dirty'] = 1
# Set the "X-Ack: no" header if noack flag is set.
if msgdata.get('noack'):
msg['X-Ack'] = 'no'
# Because we're going to modify various important headers in the email
# message, we want to save some of the information in the msgdata
# dictionary for later. Specifically, the sender header will get waxed,
# but we need it for the Acknowledge module later.
msgdata['original_sender'] = msg.GetSender()
subject = msg.getheader('subject')
adminaddr = mlist.GetAdminEmail()
fasttrack = msgdata.get('fasttrack')
if not msgdata.get('isdigest') and not fasttrack:
# Add the subject prefix unless the message is a digest or is being
# fast tracked (e.g. internally crafted, delivered to a single user
# such as the list admin). We assume all digests have an appropriate
# subject header added by the ToDigest module.
prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
# we purposefully leave no space b/w prefix and subject!
if not subject:
msg['Subject'] = prefix + '(no subject)'
elif prefix and not re.search(re.escape(prefix), subject, re.I):
msg['Subject'] = prefix + subject
#
# get rid of duplicate headers
del msg['sender']
del msg['errors-to']
msg['Sender'] = msgdata.get('errorsto', adminaddr)
msg['Errors-To'] = msgdata.get('errorsto', adminaddr)
#
# Mark message so we know we've been here
# msg.headers.append('X-BeenThere: %s\n' % mlist.GetListEmail())
#
# Add Precedence: and other useful headers. None of these are standard
# and finding information on some of them are fairly difficult. Some are
# just common practice, and we'll add more here as they become necessary.
# A good place to look is
#
# http://www.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/ietf/jp-ietf-home.html
#
# None of these headers are added if they already exist
# if not msg.get('x-mailman-version'):
# msg['X-Mailman-Version'] = mm_cfg.VERSION
# Semi-controversial: some don't want this included at all, others
# want the value to be `list'.
if not msg.get('precedence'):
msg['Precedence'] = 'bulk'
#
# Reply-To: munging. Do not do this if the message is "fast tracked",
# meaning it is internally crafted and delivered to a specific user.
# Yuck, I hate this feature but enough people want it that we should
# support it as an option.
if not fasttrack:
xreplyto = None
# Set Reply-To: header to point back to this list
if mlist.reply_goes_to_list == 1:
xreplyto = msg.get('reply-to')
msg['Reply-To'] = mlist.GetListEmail()
# Set Reply-To: an explicit address
elif mlist.reply_goes_to_list == 2:
xreplyto = msg.get('reply-to')
msg['Reply-To'] = mlist.reply_to_address
# Give the recipient some ability to un-munge things.
if xreplyto:
msg['X-Reply-To'] = xreplyto
#
# Add list-specific headers as defined in RFC 2369, but only if the
# message is being crafted for a specific list (e.g. not for the password
# reminders).
if msgdata.get('_nolist'):
return
#
# Pre-calculate
listid = '<%s.%s>' % (mlist._internal_name, mlist.host_name)
if mlist.description:
listid = mlist.description + ' ' + listid
requestaddr = mlist.GetRequestEmail()
subfieldfmt = '<%s>, <mailto:%s?subject=%ssubscribe>'
listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
#
# TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
# leave it in for historical reasons.
headers = {}
#
# First we delete any pre-existing headers because the RFC permist only
# one copy of each, and we want to be sure it's ours.
for h, v in headers.items():
del msg[h]
# Wrap these lines if they are too long. 78 character width probably
# shouldn't be hardcoded. The adding of 2 is for the colon-space
# separator.
if len(h) + 2 + len(v) > 78:
v = string.join(string.split(v, ', '), ',\n\t')
msg[h] = v
#
# Always delete List-Archive header, but only add it back if the list is
# actually archiving
del msg['List-Archive']
# if mlist.archive:
# value = '<%s>' % urlparse.urljoin(mlist.web_page_url,
# mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL())
# msg['List-Archive'] = value




From disser at sdd.hp.com  Fri Feb  9 23:17:08 2001
From: disser at sdd.hp.com (Dave Disser)
Date: 09 Feb 2001 14:17:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Web Pages
In-Reply-To: Phydeaux's message of "Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:23:21 -0500"
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209152146.033c5008@taco.com>
Message-ID: <r1x66ija4d7.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>

Phydeaux <reb at taco.com> writes:

> At 03:06 PM 2/9/2001 -0500, Oscar Valdez wrote:
> >Hello list members:
> >
> >I am using version 1.1 of Mailman, that was move from one server to
> >another.
> >Mails from all the lists are being send and received normally.
> >The problem I am encountering is that the web access to the
> >administration pages keep asking me the requiered password on each page
> >that is been requested.
> >
> >Please suggest me what to in order to solve this problem
> 
> Are cookies turned off in your browser? That's the most likely cause. The 
> initial login page says this:
> 
> >Session cookies are used in Mailman's administrative interface so that you 
> >don't need to re-authenticate with every administrative operation. This 
> >cookie will expire automatically when you exit your browser, or you can 
> >explicitly expire the cookie by hitting the Logout link under Other 
> >Administrative Activities (which you'll see once you successfully log in).

I see this a lot too, with cookies enabled, using 2.0.1 of mailmand
and Netscape 4.76 under HP-UX.  The way I observe it is that if I move 
among the administration pages of several lists, eventually Mailman
will cease to "remember" the fact that I authenticated for a list, as
though cookies were turned off, or some limit has been reached or
something.  Restarting Netscape fixes the problem until it happens
again.

--Dave



From esew at verio.net  Fri Feb  9 23:26:18 2001
From: esew at verio.net (Erik S.E. Walum)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:26:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain Support
Message-ID: <20010209142618.M3984@verio.net>

We've been anticipating the fabled virtual domain support in mailman 2.0
for a long time, but alas, the only documentation on this appears to be
a hack (ref: README.EXIM). IS there any further documentation on mailman
2.0's added support for virtualdomains, or was it simply a rewrite of
the crontab entries to correctly handle virtualdomains? Has anyone
figured out a way to do this withought installing multiple copies of
mailman? Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?

please reply to my address as well as to the list.

thanks :)

-esew
-- 
Erik Walum <esew at verio.net> 
Internet Systems Engineer
Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team



From duncan at moran.dircon.co.uk  Fri Feb  9 23:33:20 2001
From: duncan at moran.dircon.co.uk (Duncan Moran)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 22:33:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Settings for an unmoderated list
Message-ID: <p04330101b6aa1d65cd33@[194.112.53.84]>

Hello mail men and women,

The ISP hosting a site I am working on has just changed the mailing 
list software to Mailman.

As far as I can tell I have my list set as an unmoderated list that 
subscribers can post to freely but all posts are being held for 
administrators approval.  The reason is always given as...

>Blind carbon copies or other implicit destinations are not allowed.
>Try reposting your message by explicitly including the list address
>in the To: or Cc: fields.

This is the same for every message.  They all have the list address 
in the To: field.

I found something in an FAQ that looked like it might help and passed 
it on to the ISP's technical people but it has not solved the problem.

Can anyone give me an idea what the problem is?  Is the fault with my 
settings or on the ISP side?

Any solutions or pointers as to where to look to resolve this would 
be much appreciated.


Thanks,


Duncan





From oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe  Sat Feb 10 00:47:28 2001
From: oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe (Oscar Valdez)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:47:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Web Pages
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010209152146.033c5008@taco.com> <r1x66ija4d7.fsf@hpsdly.sdd.hp.com>
Message-ID: <0ca001c092f2$aaafc200$890184a1@PC1137>

Hello,

the cookies are enabled, and i have clean the cache (Internet Explorer ) but
always the web
page ask for the password, i think that i have to make some changes.

The page works ok under Netscape.

--
Oscar


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Disser" <disser at sdd.hp.com>
To: "Phydeaux" <reb at taco.com>
Cc: "Oscar Valdez" <oscar at colca.rcp.net.pe>; <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Web Pages


> Phydeaux <reb at taco.com> writes:
>
> > At 03:06 PM 2/9/2001 -0500, Oscar Valdez wrote:
> > >Hello list members:
> > >
> > >I am using version 1.1 of Mailman, that was move from one server to
> > >another.
> > >Mails from all the lists are being send and received normally.
> > >The problem I am encountering is that the web access to the
> > >administration pages keep asking me the requiered password on each page
> > >that is been requested.
> > >
> > >Please suggest me what to in order to solve this problem
> >
> > Are cookies turned off in your browser? That's the most likely cause.
The
> > initial login page says this:
> >
> > >Session cookies are used in Mailman's administrative interface so that
you
> > >don't need to re-authenticate with every administrative operation. This
> > >cookie will expire automatically when you exit your browser, or you can
> > >explicitly expire the cookie by hitting the Logout link under Other
> > >Administrative Activities (which you'll see once you successfully log
in).
>
> I see this a lot too, with cookies enabled, using 2.0.1 of mailmand
> and Netscape 4.76 under HP-UX.  The way I observe it is that if I move
> among the administration pages of several lists, eventually Mailman
> will cease to "remember" the fact that I authenticated for a list, as
> though cookies were turned off, or some limit has been reached or
> something.  Restarting Netscape fixes the problem until it happens
> again.
>
> --Dave
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From esew at verio.net  Sat Feb 10 02:10:28 2001
From: esew at verio.net (Erik S.E. Walum)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:10:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not honoring list name case
Message-ID: <20010209171028.R3984@verio.net>

Is there a workaround for getting mailman to honor the case of a
listname upon creation, we've noticed that it always capitalizes the
first letter of a listname at creation time. Suggestions and comments
welcome.

thanks

-esew

-- 
Erik Walum <esew at verio.net> 
Internet Systems Engineer
Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team



From eallen at netstreme.com  Sat Feb 10 06:18:17 2001
From: eallen at netstreme.com (Eugene Allen)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:18:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prefix for subject line of list postings
Message-ID: <NDBBLFFBCJENFGGLEOHMMEBGFEAA.eallen@netstreme.com>

This feature does not seem to be working on my list.  I've looked in all the
documentation and FAQ's for a possible configuration error on my part but
haven't seen anything relevant.  All the other features seem to work just
fine.

Any suggestions on what the problem might be?

I'm running FreeBSD with sendmail and apache.

Eugene Allen




From reb at taco.com  Sat Feb 10 06:28:26 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:28:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain Support
In-Reply-To: <20010209142618.M3984@verio.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210002652.03811cf0@taco.com>

At 02:26 PM 2/9/2001 -0800, Erik S.E. Walum wrote:
>We've been anticipating the fabled virtual domain support in mailman 2.0
>for a long time, but alas, the only documentation on this appears to be
>a hack (ref: README.EXIM). IS there any further documentation on mailman
>2.0's added support for virtualdomains, or was it simply a rewrite of
>the crontab entries to correctly handle virtualdomains? Has anyone
>figured out a way to do this withought installing multiple copies of
>mailman? Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?
>
>please reply to my address as well as to the list.

It's shockingly simple. From the web-setup page for your list (general
options) just enter the FQDN of your choice in the "Host name this list
prefers" box.

reb




From reb at taco.com  Sat Feb 10 06:30:05 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 00:30:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prefix for subject line of list postings
In-Reply-To: <NDBBLFFBCJENFGGLEOHMMEBGFEAA.eallen@netstreme.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210002921.0380eb20@taco.com>

At 11:18 PM 2/9/2001 -0600, Eugene Allen wrote:
>This feature does not seem to be working on my list.  I've looked in all the
>documentation and FAQ's for a possible configuration error on my part but
>haven't seen anything relevant.  All the other features seem to work just
>fine.
>
>Any suggestions on what the problem might be?

Assuming Mailman v2, on the General Options page of the web setup
enter the desired value in the "Prefix for subject line of list postings"
field.

reb




From admin at lx7.klaus.hn.org  Sat Feb 10 11:06:47 2001
From: admin at lx7.klaus.hn.org (admin at lx7.klaus.hn.org)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 11:06:47 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on SuSE-Linux7.0 + Postfix
Message-ID: <981799607.3a8512b733ece@lx7.klaus.hn.org>

Hi,
i need help. I try to run mailman on suse-linux-7.0. I need to use postfix as
mailer, because the server is a SuSE-Email-ServerII which runs with postfix.

My problem is:
i have installed mailman and also the web-interface runs. when i try to subscibe
to the list (called liste), i get the answer with the identify but when i reply
the mail to request-owner is comming back as undeliverable. Why?
Also my cronjobs will not work.
In Readme.Linux they say, that i have to turn off restricted hardlinks? Which
way i can do this on my system?
I there anywhere a good description of mailman with postfix?

thx
klaus




From rv at segurasolutions.com  Sat Feb 10 12:50:26 2001
From: rv at segurasolutions.com (Robert Vibert)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 06:50:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply to posting on web?
Message-ID: <3A84E4B2.30832.1E4E56@localhost>

Hello,

I am looking for a mailing list which enables:

- some users to read and respond to all messages by email
- some to read messages on a web BB forum and be able to 
respond to specific messages via the web interface (their 
responses would be sent to the email group as well)

Does Mailman do this with Smartlist or Majordomo?

TIA

Robert



From contact at greymatterindia.com  Sat Feb 10 13:36:02 2001
From: contact at greymatterindia.com (contact at greymatterindia.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:06:02 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Business proposal from Grey Matter India solution devlopers
Message-ID: <200102101236.SAA15791@ownmail1.trikon.co.in>

Dear Sir/Madam,

SUBJECT: BUSINESS PROPOSAL FROM GREY MATTER INDIA (Swachi Corporation USA, Alliance Partner)

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Swachi Corporation based in San Jose, California, which provides the guarantee of a successful 

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Our speciality is enabling e-Business, building e-Communities and promoting e-Loyalty. We 

architect and implement solutions ranging from simple online storefronts to sophisticated 

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Vantive ( Peoplesoft ) products, Oracle Financials, Networking, Application Software. 

The domain extends across Business to Business ( B2B ), Business to Consumer(B2C) and Consumer to 

Consumer(C2C) business models. These online models are enhanced by seamless integration to legacy 

systems providing customers with comprehensive, relevant real time information.

We would appreciate if you give us an opportunity to prove our mettle or consider us as your 

partners in the mission to lead the software front. 


Our Organizational profile is as under. 

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Our hourly-based service charges are as under
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From eallen at netstreme.com  Sat Feb 10 15:27:10 2001
From: eallen at netstreme.com (Eugene Allen)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:27:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Prefix for subject line of list postings
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010210002921.0380eb20@taco.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBLFFBCJENFGGLEOHMMEBIFEAA.eallen@netstreme.com>

Thanks for the suggestion.  However, this is what is not working.  I've
tried many combinations and variations of things in that field but they
never show up in the subject line of the postings.

Eugene.

-----Original Message-----
From: Phydeaux [mailto:reb at taco.com]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:30 PM
To: Eugene Allen; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Prefix for subject line of list postings


At 11:18 PM 2/9/2001 -0600, Eugene Allen wrote:
>This feature does not seem to be working on my list.  I've looked in all
the
>documentation and FAQ's for a possible configuration error on my part but
>haven't seen anything relevant.  All the other features seem to work just
>fine.
>
>Any suggestions on what the problem might be?

Assuming Mailman v2, on the General Options page of the web setup
enter the desired value in the "Prefix for subject line of list postings"
field.

reb





From rblack at uchicago.edu  Sat Feb 10 19:21:55 2001
From: rblack at uchicago.edu (ray)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:21:55 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie recognition problems
Message-ID: <p04330100b6ab36af5716@[128.135.231.84]>

Greetings,
I am the list manager for 
https://listhost.uchicago.edu/mailman/admindb/democraticmonarchy-eii. 
I cannot add users because the above page, when opened in IE5 (for 
Mac) says it cannot establish a secure connection because it cannot 
recognize the author of the cookie. The page itself says: "Error 
decoding authorization cookie." Suggestions are appreciated.
-- 
  o/  Raymond Black
/|   English - University of Chicago
/ >  rblack at uchicago.edu / prospero at africana.com
Too much of a good thing is wonderful - Mae West
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From admin at prolinkz.com  Sun Feb 11 00:50:03 2001
From: admin at prolinkz.com (admin at prolinkz.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:50:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clean up
Message-ID: <200102102350.QAA07161@e-factory.com>

Our email data files got corrupted. We found your address in
the mess. Why you're there, we don't know. Maybe you can
tell us <mailto:admin at prolinkz.com>. If you don't know (or
don't care) just please ignore this notice. Your address
will be zapped and blown to bits after this mailing unless
you tell us otherwise.

Thanks for your patience,
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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Feb 11 05:52:32 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:52:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stuck outgoing message 
In-Reply-To: Message from Richard Martin <dmartin@origen.com> 
   of "Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:40:47 CST." <3A7F642F.C09AC238@origen.com> 
References: <3A7F642F.C09AC238@origen.com> 
Message-ID: <13696.981867152@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:40:47 -0600 
Richard Martin <dmartin at origen.com> wrote:

> How can I flush out or delete messages queued by Mailman?  I have
> looked thorough the directories and archives, but I can't seem to
> locate much on this one.

Configure your MTA to not do DNS verification upong receipt of a
message, but only after it is safely tucked away within its queue.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From pozar at lns.com  Sun Feb 11 09:02:03 2001
From: pozar at lns.com (Tim Pozar)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:02:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem...
Message-ID: <20010211000201.A3420@lns.com>

I am running into a bit of a problem.   Mail gets into the queue
directory qfiles but will stay there as it doesn't seem to be
getting processed.  When /usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue is
executed I get this mail sent to root...

---------------
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:53:01 -0800 (PST)
From: root at sfsi.org (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman at sfsi.org
Subject: Cron <mailman at pink> /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/usr/local/mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=mailman>
X-Cron-Env: <USER=mailman>

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 41, in main
    OutgoingQueue.processQueue()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 114, in processQueue
    Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname)
AttributeError: TrySMTPDelivery 
---------------

Nothing is showing up in the mailman/logs files.  

I am running Python 2.0 and Mailman 2.0.1.

I am stymied.  Any thoughts?  And thanks...

Tim
-- 
  Snail: Tim Pozar / LNS / 1978 45th Ave / San Francisco CA 94116 / USA
               POTS: +1 415 665 3790  Radio: KC6GNJ / KAE6247
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word."
                        - Andrew Jackson
"What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out,
    which is the exact opposite."              - Bertrand Russell



From cb at linuxninja.org  Sun Feb 11 09:18:34 2001
From: cb at linuxninja.org (cb at linuxninja.org)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:18:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie apache config question
Message-ID: <20010211001834.A27517@linuxninja.org>

I'm sure this question has been beat to death, but I've got mailman
installed and I thought apache configured correctly, but when I try to
access it via its web interface, I get the following error messages in
my log files:

[Sat Feb 10 23:05:26 2001] [error] [client 192.168.0.2] attempt to
invoke directory as script: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin
[Sat Feb 10 23:05:31 2001] [error] [client 192.168.0.2] Premature end of
script headers: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo

Here's what I have in my httpd.conf:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ "/usr/lib/mailman/archives/public/"
<Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/*>
  Options ExecCGI
</Directory>
<Directory /usr/lib/mailman/archives>
  Options +FollowSymlinks
</Directory>

Also, is there a way to specify time zone?  It very well could be an MTA
issue (qmail here), but the list creation mail that's come in is set to
-0000 GMT.

Thanks in advance,

-Charlie
-- 
cb at linuxninja.org
Freedom is nothing else but the chance to do better.
		-- Camus



From tamar at yedidia.net  Sun Feb 11 13:34:32 2001
From: tamar at yedidia.net (Tamar Klein)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:34:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] your mailman
Message-ID: <01e501c09426$fc8a3d00$18c458d1@shemayisrael.com>

Hello

in the last week I got many emails from company that is using your mailman product. I tried to unsubscribe myself from this list - but they always put my email address back to the list.
I am system administrator of a little organization, and I got many complaints about this mailing list from people that are subscribed to the list without thier permission.

Is there any way to unsubscribe them and my self from the list by email (like majordomo does)?
is there any way to see which email address are subscribed to the list - by email too?
is there any way to stop the email from this list?

thank you

Tamar Klein
Shemayisrael Network
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From tamar at yedidia.net  Sun Feb 11 13:42:12 2001
From: tamar at yedidia.net (Tamar Klein)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:42:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spamming
Message-ID: <001001c09428$0e8dca70$18c458d1@shemayisrael.com>

Hello

in the last week I got many emails from company that is using your =
mailman product. I tried to unsubscribe myself from this list - but they =
always put my email address back to the list.
I am system administrator of a little organization, and I got many =
complaints about this mailing list from people that are subscribed to =
the list without thier permission.

Is there any way to unsubscribe them and my self from the list by email =
(like majordomo does)?
is there any way to see which email address are subscribed to the list - =
by email too?
is there any way to stop the email from this list?

thank you

Tamar Klein
Shemayisrael Network






From tib at tigerknight.org  Sun Feb 11 14:25:33 2001
From: tib at tigerknight.org (Tib)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 05:25:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102110521130.791-100000@unica.tigerknight.org>

Greetings programs! Here's the deal:

I recently upgraded my kernel, from 2.2.15mdk-secure to 2.4.0. On top of that I
compiled and installed a new version of python. from 1.5.2 to 2.0. Everything
was hunky-dory because Mailman still delivered mail just fine. but I ran into a
problem with creating a new list - the passwords never worked for the admins,
so I realized what I'd done and decided to reinstall Mailman. Well, I do
everything according to the directions again, and come up with the following
error in my mail.log file:

Feb 11 05:16:59 unica qmail: 981897419.719923 starting delivery 6520: msg
272062 to local test2 at tigerknight.org
Feb 11 05:16:59 unica qmail: 981897419.720045 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20
Feb 11 05:16:59 unica Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid
12, GOT gid 604.  (Reconfigure to take 604?) 
Feb 11 05:16:59 unica qmail: 981897419.736937 delivery
6520: deferral: Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12,_GOT_gid_604.__(Reconfigure_to_take_604?)/
Feb 11 05:16:59 unica qmail: 981897419.737048 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20


Now this is very frustrating, since I ran the configure script with a
--with-mail-gid=12 option and it recognized it, as follows. Can anyone help me
UN puzzle this again so that my Mailman installation can both make new lists
AND deliver them? :P This is just too frustrating for me at 5am on a night
before work :] 

<EOL>
Tib

[root at unica mailman-2.0rc1]# ./configure --with-mail-gid=12
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... (cached) /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.0
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 531
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 603
checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 12
checking for CGI wrapper GID... (cached) 99
checking for CGI extensions... no
checking for default fully qualified host name... internal.tigerknight.org
checking for default URL host component... internal.tigerknight.org
checking for strerror... (cached) yes
checking for setregid... (cached) yes
checking for syslog... (cached) yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... (cached) yes
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating filters/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating Makefile




From sabidussi at nextra.at  Sun Feb 11 14:58:02 2001
From: sabidussi at nextra.at (Menega Sabidussi)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:58:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: 6 questions (from a total newbie on a virtual account)
References: <20010124050103.CFCA1F1FD@mail.python.org> <3A6EF307.C5297213@nextra.at> <20010125110651.I20124@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <3A869A6A.A3DDFBFB@nextra.at>

hello,

on january 25th i received helpful responses to my "6 questions" 
which i'd like to say thanks for. 
please excuse the long delay and seeming rudeness :( - 
i was totally out of circulation for a while.

[menega:]
> 4. i've gathered that when moving my list to mailman i can
> mass-subscribe users. in what form and when in the procedure are they
> issued the random passwords i have seen mentioned here?

[bekj:]
> It's something you do from the command line, with root access,
> and yes you get random passwords.

ah well... no root access for me, 
no getting at any of the config files.

a follow-up on this for the total newbies 
who are stuck with mailman on a virtual account (like i am): 
when mass-subscribing people in batches of 30 
from the web-administration feature 
a welcome mail will go out to each subscriber 
containing (as mentioned above) a random password - 
provided one has turned the welcome mail feature on. 
this of course alerts subscribers that you are moving them whereupon 
they - natually curious little beasts :) - will trot over to the site 
and begin getting in your way while you are still transferring 
and setting options for them. 
the only other way i figured was to turn the welcome mail off, 
feed them all in and then call-up their subscription options pages 
one-by-weary-one and press the "send me password reminder" button 
which will then inform them what has been going on. 

is there a more efficient method for goodness sakes?

[menega:] 
> 5. where is the password file stored?
> i would like to hitch it together with ftp access permissions.

[bekj:]
> Somewhere in a Python database file thingy.  I have no idea.
> You'd need a python script to get them out.
right. i've already scrapped the idea due to the virtual account
problem.

this brings me to something else.
increasingly mailman is the mailing list program of choice for providers
offering this feature thrown into their account packages. i have combed
through x-hundred providers and contacted roughly a 3rd of them with
further questions - most of them were offering mailman, of course in an
un-get-attable pre-install. i can't afford a dedicated server for a
non-profit organisation like mine but need to run it all under its own
domain name. so now i've acquired one of those virtual pre-installed
accounts. sigh. more and more people will be bumping into the problems i
am tearing my hair out over. now maybe the developers couldn't care less
which i would understand as this is not a paid project but i still think
it would be a shame not to address these issues. 

virtual account mailman list owners need help with:
- getting the archives out so we can move providers;
- getting our grubby little fingers on 
  individualized configuration files;
- stripping the mime mess 
  (we do not have the access to tweak this ourselves);
- stopping attachments so our subscribers won't even be tempted 
  to open anything virii infected.

we need this soon - ideally in an add-on form independant of major
updates the provider would have to make. 
sorry for sounding so ungratefully demanding - 
you have a really good program here.

thanks again.

regards,
menega sabidussi




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Sun Feb 11 14:50:51 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:20:51 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid error
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102110521130.791-100000@unica.tigerknight.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102111917440.23186-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 11, 2001 at 05:25, Tib wrote:

>Feb 11 05:16:59 unica Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid
>12, GOT gid 604.  (Reconfigure to take 604?) 
>Feb 11 05:16:59 unica qmail: 981897419.736937 delivery
>6520: deferral:
>Failure_to_exec_script._WANTED_gid_12,_GOT_gid_604.__(Reconfigure_to_take_604?)/

>Now this is very frustrating, since I ran the configure script with a
>--with-mail-gid=12 option and it recognized it, as follows. Can anyone help me

5 a.m., eh? It wants GID 12, but it got GID 604. So it wants you to
reconfigure to GID 604. Use --with-mail-gid=604.

Note to error writers: That error message is not very clear; perhaps it
should be changed?

-- 
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From mail at joeorban.co.uk  Sun Feb 11 20:12:28 2001
From: mail at joeorban.co.uk (Joe Orban)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:12:28 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Attachments
Message-ID: <000e01c0945e$93babf60$0c2e1e3e@seanet>

Hi.  I am an administrator for a mailman list and I am trying to use the administrative interface to block any incoming messages that have any kind of an attachment.  I have been playing about with the Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp option in 'Privacy Options' but to no avail.

Any help / advice appreciated.

Thanks
Joe
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From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Sun Feb 11 20:37:36 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:37:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Attachments
In-Reply-To: <000e01c0945e$93babf60$0c2e1e3e@seanet>
References: <000e01c0945e$93babf60$0c2e1e3e@seanet>
Message-ID: <1930.216.140.158.162.981920256.squirrel@hutnick.com>

It might be better just to have your MTA strip attachmnets on incoming 
messages to the list, before Mailman ever sees them.

This will probably be easier to manage.  For instance, your message 
would have been blocked if this list was set up to block messages with 
attachments, but if the MTA at python.org just stripped attachmnets 
from messages going to this list we only would have lost your HTML.

-Peter

> Hi.  I am an administrator for a mailman list and I am trying to
> use the administrative interface to block any incoming messages
> that have any kind of an attachment.  I have been playing about
> with the Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp
> option in 'Privacy Options' but to no avail.
> 
> Any help / advice appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> Joe


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From hypnose at t-online.de  Mon Feb 12 01:03:03 2001
From: hypnose at t-online.de (guenter wessling)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:03:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] https and htaccess
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010212010303.00931290@pop.btx.dtag.de>

Hi all.
We set up mailman 201 and runs all right.
Three problems:

1. Server runs as https *only*. But the email messages created from
"templates" ("welcome to.." and so on) allways show
http://url     instead of
https://url .
Where is the file to change this ?

2. Server is not only https, but also restricted with .htaccess (apache).
Do I have to put another .htaccess in templates, or how does mailman
generate the html-files for the web-interface ?

3. We did a german translation for the templates. Yet the configuration in
the List Admin Page yields English language. Where to change this (which
file) ?

Any help will be appreciated.

guenter
guenter wessling (hypnose at t-online.de)



From soros_gergely at nextra.hu  Mon Feb 12 01:08:43 2001
From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:08:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Locks
Message-ID: <00cd01c09487$f8bb63a0$331da3d5@sgergo.hu>

We're using Mailman 2.0 on a Redhat machine with Sendmail. Occasionally upon accessing the
web admin interface some lockfiles remain and they need to be deleted. At this time there is one
sleeping python process:

------------------------------------
[root locks]# ps -AHf
..
httpd     3564   424  0 10:24 ?        00:00:55     /usr/sbin/httpd -f /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
httpd    18038  3564  0 15:42 ?        00:00:00       /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/scripts/driver admin
..
------------------------------------

The /locks directory shows locks with future dates:

------------------------------------
[root locks]# ls -lsa --full-time
total 8
   1 drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman      1024 Sun Feb 11 15:36:01 2001 .
   1 drwxrwsr-x  24 mailman  mailman      1024 Tue Jan 02 14:51:39 2001 ..
   1 -rw-rw-r--   2 httpd    mailman        53 Sun Feb 11 20:29:57 2001 listname.lock
   1 -rw-rw-r--   2 httpd    mailman        53 Sun Feb 11 20:29:57 2001 listname.lock.www.domain.com.17488
   1 -rw-rw-r--   1 httpd    mailman        53 Sun Feb 11 20:30:03 2001 listname.lock.www.domain.com.17498
   1 -rw-rw-r--   1 httpd    mailman        53 Sun Feb 11 20:30:48 2001 listname.lock.www.domain.com.17546
   1 -rw-rw-r--   1 httpd    mailman        53 Sun Feb 11 20:31:40 2001 listname.lock.www.domain.com.17569
   1 -rw-rw-r--   1 httpd    mailman        53 Sun Feb 11 20:32:45 2001 listname.lock.www.domain.com.17629
[root locks]#  date
Sun Feb 11 15:37:15 PST 2001
------------------------------------

Today I have deleted some lockfiles while delivery to a list of +10.000 took place and 18 copies of the 
message were delivered before I emptied the queue. Mailman and httpd error logs are not touched.
Is there any connection between deleting the lockfiles and multiple deliveries? Are lockfiles with
future dates normal? Is deleting lockfiles a bad thing?

Regards
Gergely





From jffeutarzi1 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 12 04:16:59 2001
From: jffeutarzi1 at yahoo.com (jeff utarzi)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:16:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fund management[private & confidential]
Message-ID: <20010212031659.20425.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com>

Attn: The President
Dear sir,

FUND MANAGEMENT / BUSINESS OFFER.

I humbly wish to seek your assistance in matter that
is very important and needs utmost trust and
confidence, I am Mr. JEFF UTARZI, a close confidant of
one of Nigeria's most powerful family. The wife of top
Government official and an oil magnet i.e. late
General Sani Abacha former head of State Federal
republic of Nigeria, who ruled from November 17th 1993
to June 8th 1998 and he died suddenly while in office.
The wife wishes to move out of Nigeria the sum of
u$$42 million along with some large quantity of gold
and diamond, she wishes to invest the aforementioned
sum in viable investment overseas.

For obvious reasons, my client does not want to place
this fund with established financial institution in
the families name for security reasons. It is her
desire that the deal be handled as quietly as possible
without possibility of any leakage to the public or
government. She has therefore empowered us to find and
negotiate for and interested foreign firm with which
we can use their name to move this money from here,
and assist to invest the fund properly for the family.

If you agree to act as a fund manager for my client
and the family, I shall release the sum of u$$42
million to you if you meet my requirements. The money
is available safe with a private security company
coded in a secret name, so upon a favorable response
from you, I shall let you know how you will receive
it.

Your commission shall be down payment of 15% of the
total sum, that is u$$6.3 million and annual 10% of
the after tax returns on investment for the first 5 
years. Thereafter, the terms shall be varied.

Ref: news watch magazine publication of 11th to 18th
October 1999. 

Sir, if you are capable and willing to participate in
this transaction contact me through my email address: 

In any case, please keep it tight secret.

Best regards,

Mr. JEFF UTARZI.
Tel/fax:  234-42-458915





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From jffeutarzi1 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 12 04:20:50 2001
From: jffeutarzi1 at yahoo.com (jeff utarzi)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:20:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fund management[private & confidential]
Message-ID: <20010212032050.4648.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com>

Attn: The President
Dear sir,

FUND MANAGEMENT / BUSINESS OFFER.

I humbly wish to seek your assistance in matter that
is very important and needs utmost trust and
confidence, I am Mr. JEFF UTARZI, a close confidant of
one of Nigeria's most powerful family. The wife of top
Government official and an oil magnet i.e. late
General Sani Abacha former head of State Federal
republic of Nigeria, who ruled from November 17th 1993
to June 8th 1998 and he died suddenly while in office.
The wife wishes to move out of Nigeria the sum of
u$$42 million along with some large quantity of gold
and diamond, she wishes to invest the aforementioned
sum in viable investment overseas.

For obvious reasons, my client does not want to place
this fund with established financial institution in
the families name for security reasons. It is her
desire that the deal be handled as quietly as possible
without possibility of any leakage to the public or
government. She has therefore empowered us to find and
negotiate for and interested foreign firm with which
we can use their name to move this money from here,
and assist to invest the fund properly for the family.

If you agree to act as a fund manager for my client
and the family, I shall release the sum of u$$42
million to you if you meet my requirements. The money
is available safe with a private security company
coded in a secret name, so upon a favorable response
from you, I shall let you know how you will receive
it.

Your commission shall be down payment of 15% of the
total sum, that is u$$6.3 million and annual 10% of
the after tax returns on investment for the first 5 
years. Thereafter, the terms shall be varied.

Ref: news watch magazine publication of 11th to 18th
October 1999. 

Sir, if you are capable and willing to participate in
this transaction contact me through my email address: 

In any case, please keep it tight secret.

Best regards,

Mr. JEFF UTARZI.
Tel/fax:  234-42-458915





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From jlundell at pobox.com  Mon Feb 12 04:25:06 2001
From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:25:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email addresses
Message-ID: <p05010415b6ad06dcb316@[207.213.214.34]>

When interacting with the mailman web interface and entering an email address (say when adding a new user, or entering an explicit reply-to address, am I limited to the actual email address (say jlundell at pobox.com), or can I use any RFC822-legal format, such as:

	"Jonathan Lundell" jlundell at pobox.com
	Jonathan Lundell <jlundell at pobox.com>
	"Jonathan Lundell" <jlundell at pobox.com>

It'd be convenient.

If the latter, is there a mechanism for changing a user address for the purpose of adding the "real name"?
-- 
/Jonathan Lundell.



From over at ees2.oulu.fi  Mon Feb 12 10:44:14 2001
From: over at ees2.oulu.fi (Mika Ylianttila)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:44:14 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q: Pipermail and Scandinavian letters
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0102121123280.10165-100000@stekt56>

  For some reason, Pipermail translates the Scandinavian to the sorted list
to some strange ISO codes, such as =E4, and every title containing
scandinavian letters is preceded by a confusing set of characters, such as
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?.

  Is there any way to avoid this? This problem does not occur (except in
the title) when the actual message is read from the archive, so I guess
it could be avoided somehow.

Mika





From cognac at toppoint.de  Mon Feb 12 11:19:48 2001
From: cognac at toppoint.de (Andreas Czerniak)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:19:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman on SuSE-Linux7.0 + Postfix
In-Reply-To: <981799607.3a8512b733ece@lx7.klaus.hn.org>
Message-ID: <430670000.981973188@czerny>

Hi Klaus,

have you check the permissions for mailman ?
What gid have mailman ? postfix run under gid 51.
What is the answer message of postfix ?

Mailman on SuSE EMail-Server II runing fine.

Regards,
			Andreas.

-- On 10.02.2001 11:06:47 +0100 admin at lx7.klaus.hn.org wrote:

> Hi,
> i need help. I try to run mailman on suse-linux-7.0. I need to use postfix
> as mailer, because the server is a SuSE-Email-ServerII which runs with
> postfix.
>
> My problem is:
> i have installed mailman and also the web-interface runs. when i try to
> subscibe to the list (called liste), i get the answer with the identify but
> when i reply the mail to request-owner is comming back as undeliverable.
> Why?
> Also my cronjobs will not work.
> In Readme.Linux they say, that i have to turn off restricted hardlinks?
> Which way i can do this on my system?
> I there anywhere a good description of mailman with postfix?
>
> thx
> klaus
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



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From salve at debian.org  Sun Feb 11 20:47:24 2001
From: salve at debian.org (Davide G. M. Salvetti)
Date: 11 Feb 2001 20:47:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Per list digest scheduling
Message-ID: <87vgqhrohf.fsf@hal.olympus.fake>

Hi,

I'm pretty new to Mailman.

I was wondering if it's possible to have digest sent out at per list
configurable times, e.g.:

  * list A send digests every day;

  * list B send digests every week;

and so on.

Thanks,

-- 
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OpenPGP (GPG) Key ID: 939686D5



From a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it  Mon Feb 12 14:15:03 2001
From: a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it (a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:15:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
Message-ID: <030b01c094f5$d130ab60$fa00a8c0@citiesonline.it>

I have read the web page to install mailman, but i have some problem.

Mailman work very fine, but not the web features.

   I have installed APACHE, and the directory where mailman is installed is
/home/mailman.

   I also have set a vitual domain called mailman.<mydomanin>, but i not
understand where is the .html page to start.

   Any suggestion?

   Regards.

Alberto Marcedone





From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Mon Feb 12 16:10:04 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:10:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fund management[private & confidential]
In-Reply-To: <20010212032050.4648.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010212095650.00d70760@mail.stetson.edu>

At 07:20 PM 2/11/01 -0800, jeff utarzi wrote:
>Attn: The President
>Dear sir,
>FUND MANAGEMENT / BUSINESS OFFER.  Blah, blah, blah spam removed

Ok, I started this earlier, and decided that I was just being a 
whiner, but now, I'm not so sure.  This particular piece of spam 
is not only annoying, it is false, illegal, and really old...

The spam to this list has become rather heavy, and I think it 
may be time to restrict the posting to subscribers only.  As 
someone said a few days ago, if a person doesn't want to 
subscribe to the list, why should they get the help from those 
of us who have taken the time to do so.

Part of what is supposed to happen on a list like this is that 
you ask a question, and get an answer, and your contribution is 
to answer a future question.

Yes, I know that spam is a fact of life, and yes, most of the 
time it is easier to hit delete than to complain, but now that 
we are getting 2-3 a day, I think that it is time to make a change...

Personally, I believe that people who post, "Please reply 
directly to the list. I don't have time to read it."  Don't 
deserve the free help that they get.  Asking for help should not 
be a one way street...



-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Mon Feb 12 17:01:47 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:01:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain Support
In-Reply-To: <20010211235344.A16888@tangledhelix.com> from "Dan Lowe" at Feb 11, 2001 11:53:44 PM
Message-ID: <200102121601.JAA16578@mail.commercedata.com>

I've made various runs at this without much success.  For some reason I have
trouble making some of the scripts work correctly with the symbolic links;
i.e., they just plain won't follow them.  Since I'm using chroot for some
of my system services, I tried using that as well, but cron goes around it.
My final solution seems to work, but it sure is messy.  I use the virtual 
domain mechanism in Apache for web serving, but since sendmail's virtual
domain mechanism isn't nearly as robust, I run separate copies of it through
chroot.  I deposit two separate copies of mailman in the virtual domain's
home directory, one just a skeleton containing the cgi scripts and symbolic
links to the other's data, and the other a full installation.  It takes almost
as long to describe as it does to actually implement, and it works well, but
I've never been happy with the shear untidyness of the whole arrangement.  It
doesn't help that vixie cron and Apache both mysteriously misbehave in chrooted 
environments.

Mailman ain't large, and hard disks are cheap, so I don't mind having virtual
installations.  Virtfs (a virtual domain utility) works very nicely and cuts
my administration considerably, while adding some security.  What I sorely
want in mailman but don't have the time to write myself is the ability to 
just edit the paths in one configuration file to make it live wherever and 
act like whoever.  The spaghettiness of Mailman doesn't currently support 
that (there's some bitterness there).

If someone manages to make virtual domains, chroot and Mailman live together
nicely, please let me know.  I tried about five or six different approaches
with no success.

Dave Klingler

> Previously, Erik S.E. Walum said:
> > We've been anticipating the fabled virtual domain support in mailman 2.0
> > for a long time, but alas, the only documentation on this appears to be
> > a hack (ref: README.EXIM). IS there any further documentation on mailman
> > 2.0's added support for virtualdomains, or was it simply a rewrite of
> > the crontab entries to correctly handle virtualdomains? Has anyone
> > figured out a way to do this withought installing multiple copies of
> > mailman? Any suggestions from the peanut gallery?
> 
> Rather than installing multiple copies of Mailman, might one install
> multiple instances?  That being one master installation with virtual domain
> subdirectories which are mostly symlinks back to the main package?  Except
> for the lists/ directory, the qfiles/ and so forth.  That would just
> simplify upgrades greatly (you'd only have one set of files to be updated).
> 
>  -dan
> 
> -- 
> Dan Lowe <dan at tangledhelix.com>			http://tangledhelix.com/
>   
> Is there another word for synonym?  -George Carlin
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Mon Feb 12 13:17:19 2001
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Jason)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:17:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper's error
Message-ID: <3A87D44E.245DCB92@opensourcedirectory.com>

I get an error messge when I reply to the confirmation email... could
someone that know's about this help me out.
Here is the email that I get as a reply to my confirmation.

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  mailinglist-request at domain.org
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
-------- end error

What does the returned 2 from command mean? what do I have to fix to get
this working?

Thanks
j




From silberj at kpe.com  Mon Feb 12 17:19:01 2001
From: silberj at kpe.com (Jacob Silber)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:19:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Outlook / Exchange
Message-ID: <691DBE9A8205D41195A400B0D0219AA8014A1118@mailny01.kpe.com>

Does anyone know which script actually does the sorting of the email, and
what fields are used to sort the mail?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Silber 
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:08 PM
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Outlook / Exchange


Hi,

I've got Mailman up and running (mostly) with demime taking care of MIME
issues. The only problem I've run into so far is mail generated by Outlook
not being properly archived by pipermail. While the emails make it into the
archive, they are not threaded in the index. Emails generated by Pine or by
"mail" seem to be ok. I haven't had too much chance to test other email
clients.

The problem displayed itself both with and without the use of demime.

I have two questions about this:

1) Anyone come across this problem? How did you fix it?

2) What fields does pipermail use to generate the threaded archive index? Is
there anyway to tweak this, considering I know no python?

Platform Description:

Redhat 6.2
Apache 1.3.12
Sendmail 8.11.1
Mailman 2.0.1
Python 1.5.2
Demime .98a

Thanks for your help.


---- 
Jacob Silber 
Manager, Systems Engineering 
<kpe>
silberj at kpe.com 

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From MakeYourMillions at aol.com  Mon Feb 12 18:12:57 2001
From: MakeYourMillions at aol.com (MakeYourMillions at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:12:57 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to? With Mailman.
Message-ID: <7c.1182357e.27b97399@aol.com>

I'm new to this, forgive me if you get this in error.

How can you use mailman to send to more than 300 emails?  I was let in on a 
secret of a fantastic product and since using it, I have been bombarded with 
thousands of emails from people who want the information, but I can't seem to 
be able to reach all of them to tell them about this excellent product.  Can 
any of you experts help?

The product is <a href="http://judejoseph.com/mymillion/">here:</a> for those 
interested. http://judejoseph.com/mymillion/

Thanks.



From salve at debian.org  Mon Feb 12 21:02:11 2001
From: salve at debian.org (Davide G. M. Salvetti)
Date: 12 Feb 2001 21:02:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Attachments
In-Reply-To: <1930.216.140.158.162.981920256.squirrel@hutnick.com> ("Peter Hutnick"'s message of "Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:37:36 -0600 (CST)")
References: <000e01c0945e$93babf60$0c2e1e3e@seanet>
	<1930.216.140.158.162.981920256.squirrel@hutnick.com>
Message-ID: <874rxzoekc.fsf@hal.olympus.fake>

>>>>>  PH == Peter Hutnick [2001-2-11]

PH> It might be better just to have your MTA strip attachmnets on
PH> incoming messages to the list, before Mailman ever sees them.

Following this suggestion, you may want to try MimeFilter, which is a
filter expecting a MIME compliant message on stdin, which outputs a MIME
compliant message on stdout stripping selected unwanted MIME parts from
the original message (e.g., you can tell MimeFilter to strip text/html
parts, or to allow only text/plain ones, or... as your fantasy and
regexp power suggests you).

You can find it on any Debian mirror (e.g., ftp.debian.org if you don't
know anything better for you).

If you use Debian, just `apt-get install mimefilter' (it's in
`unstable'); if you don't, you may fetch the (Perl) sources here:
         <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mimefilter/>

Cheers,

-- 
Davide Giovanni Maria Salvetti
W: http://www.linux.it/~salve/
OpenPGP (GPG) Key ID: 939686D5



From danverz at libero.it  Mon Feb 12 22:25:32 2001
From: danverz at libero.it (Daniele Verzelloni)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new subscription only for address that are also account of the system
Message-ID: <NDBBIOLGOLHIFIGCKIPMMEAJCMAA.danverz@libero.it>

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Hi all
I use mailman 2.01, with Qmail on a OpenBSD box.
I can create new subscription to lists only if the
mail address of the subscriber is a system address.
I f the subscriber has an account on the system
everything goes right.
I don't start qmail from inetd , so I don't thinl?k to have
the localhost realy problem.
My qmail controls are for the FQDN name of the host.
for the localhost and the localdomain, I don't use
virtualhost.
My aliases files in /ar/qmail/alias are ok about the pipeline
"|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper ...... "
The permission check of the root tree of mailman is ok.
Obviously mail and cgi gid are ok because the system works.
I don't have any log message about this strange event neither
in the mail log neither in the webserver log neither in the syslog.
I think that qmail doesn't accept the subscription from other
addresses than the ones in its "control configuration" (rcpthosts,
locals
ecc ).
Can you help me in understanding and solving this problem ?
Thanks a lot.
Goodbye
Daniele

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From hypnose at t-online.de  Mon Feb 12 22:46:54 2001
From: hypnose at t-online.de (guenter wessling)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:46:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: help
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010212224654.0089e820@pop.btx.dtag.de>

Hi.
All you need is in the INSTALL file.
Apache has to be aliased and Scriptaliased in the srm.conf file
(/etc/httpd/srm.conf), so it knows the mailman directories.
And you have to put the OptionSymLinks in /Directory (access.conf).
Look at the Install. And donn?t forget to restart httpd.

gw


>I have read the web page to install mailman, but i have some problem.
>
>Mailman work very fine, but not the web features.
>
>   I have installed APACHE, and the directory where mailman is installed is
>/home/mailman.
>
>   I also have set a vitual domain called mailman.<mydomanin>, but i not
>understand where is the .html page to start.
>
>   Any suggestion?
>
>   Regards.
>
>Alberto Marcedone
>


guenter wessling (hypnose at t-online.de)



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Tue Feb 13 00:13:03 2001
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:13:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up umbrella lists
Message-ID: <20010212181303.A21084@raleigh.ibm.com>

All -

I feel silly about this but after looking for an answer on and off through
the day today I cannot seem to find one. Pointers and RTFM suggestions are
needed.

I want to setup a simple umbrella list. The web page configs talk about
'umbrella_list' as an option but don't show it anywhere that I've seen. 

The problem is that as my lists are setup now I get double [list name] tags
in the subject line. 

Where can I find the needed info to step me through the setup of an umbrella
list?

Thanks much!

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.




From mojo at whiteoaks.com  Tue Feb 13 01:22:17 2001
From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:22:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] obscuring email addresses in archives
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102121618260.21031-100000@notrump.whiteoaks.com>

In Mailman 2.0.1:

I have a list with the "obscure_addresses" value set to 1, but I'm still
seeing live valid email addresses and mailto:'s in the list archives.

In looking through the HyperArch script, I see NO references to
obscure_addresses, but only to mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS.

Is this a case of right/left hand failure to communicate?

(I'm trying to find how to set config parameters like that, too.  Do I add
a line to mm_cfg.py?  Is it automatically passed on to Defaults.py without
doing a make?  Is it then automatically compiled into the .pyc file?)

Mojo
-- 
Morris Jones         <*>
San Rafael, CA
mojo at whiteoaks.com
http://www.whiteoaks.com




From danverz at libero.it  Tue Feb 13 01:32:52 2001
From: danverz at libero.it (Daniele Verzelloni)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:32:52 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more data : new subscription only for address that are also account of the system
Message-ID: <NDBBIOLGOLHIFIGCKIPMKEAOCMAA.danverz@libero.it>

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Hash: SHA1

First sorry for this second post ...
About the problem of my last post about new subscriptions
and qmail ...
I've tried to add to my locals and rcpthosts qmail's controls
the domains othr new subscribers addresses and everything
goes right.
So I think that the problem is in the way mailman pass the
new subscribing message to qmail ... maybe a mail header problem
I'm not a developer, help me pls.
Daniele



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Hi all
I use mailman 2.01, with Qmail on a OpenBSD box.
I can create new subscription to lists only if the
mail address of the subscriber is a system address.
I f the subscriber has an account on the system
everything goes right.
I don't start qmail from inetd , so I don't thinl?k to have
the localhost realy problem.
My qmail controls are for the FQDN name of the host.
for the localhost and the localdomain, I don't use
virtualhost.
My aliases files in /ar/qmail/alias are ok about the pipeline
"|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper ...... "
The permission check of the root tree of mailman is ok.
Obviously mail and cgi gid are ok because the system works.
I don't have any log message about this strange event neither
in the mail log neither in the webserver log neither in the syslog.
I think that qmail doesn't accept the subscription from other
addresses than the ones in its "control configuration" (rcpthosts,
locals
ecc ).
Can you help me in understanding and solving this problem ?
Thanks a lot.
Goodbye
Daniele


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From alex at khalil.org  Tue Feb 13 01:41:49 2001
From: alex at khalil.org (alex khalil)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:41:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting attachments
Message-ID: <20010213004149.I12997@leb.net>

  As Joe, I am very interested in rejecting all attachments on a few of my
mailing lists.
  As Joe, I played with pattern detection in the header of the messages
but failed.

  Stripping is not an option in this case: these are announcement lists
with relatively high traffic and the emails are better "rejected" to
advertise that a format change is desired which the announcers accept
quite gracefully.

  The idea is to have the attachment trigger an automatic "reject".

  
>"Peter Hutnick" <peter-lists at hutnick.com> wrote
>
>It might be better just to have your MTA strip attachmnets on incoming 
>messages to the list, before Mailman ever sees them.
>
>This will probably be easier to manage.  For instance, your message 
>would have been blocked if this list was set up to block messages with 
>attachments, but if the MTA at python.org just stripped attachmnets 
>from messages going to this list we only would have lost your HTML.
>
>> Hi.  I am an administrator for a mailman list and I am trying to
>> use the administrative interface to block any incoming messages
>> that have any kind of an attachment.  I have been playing about
>> with the Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp
>> option in 'Privacy Options' but to no avail.



From brian at acm.jhu.edu  Tue Feb 13 05:15:53 2001
From: brian at acm.jhu.edu (Brian Cohen)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:15:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failed Exec: wanted one GID, got another
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102122307170.1462-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Hello,

I was running mailman-2.0beta2 and it was working okay but I decided to
upgrade to mailman-2.0.1 and thats when the trouble started.  I configured
the new version with the exact same ./configure options as with the older
version (I lifted it from config.status), which is as follows:

with-mail-gid=mailman  ('mailman' is gid 12343)
with-cgi-gid=nobody   ('nobody' is gid 32767, and is the user my Apache
runs as.)

along with prefix and the location of python.  Now, however, when I try to
post to the test list I created, the message causes the following error:

<test at sandworm.intercarve.net>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test". Command output: Failure
to exec script. WANTED gid 12343, GOT gid 32767.  (Reconfigure to take
32767?)

I've seen this problem posted before, but I can't seem to nail this
down. What's going on?

My MTA is Postfix and my OS is OpenBSD 2.7.

Thanks in advance,

-Brian





From jlundell at pobox.com  Tue Feb 13 06:59:38 2001
From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:59:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email addresses
In-Reply-To: <p05010415b6ad06dcb316@[207.213.214.34]>
References: <p05010415b6ad06dcb316@[207.213.214.34]>
Message-ID: <p0501040db6ae7c714f94@[207.213.214.34]>

I had asked:

>When interacting with the mailman web interface and entering an email address (say when adding a new user, or entering an explicit reply-to address, am I limited to the actual email address (say jlundell at pobox.com), or can I use any RFC822-legal format, such as:
>
>	"Jonathan Lundell" jlundell at pobox.com
>	Jonathan Lundell <jlundell at pobox.com>
>	"Jonathan Lundell" <jlundell at pobox.com>
>
>It'd be convenient.
>
>If the latter, is there a mechanism for changing a user address for the purpose of adding the "real name"?

Never mind. I see that this is in the Mailman-3 wishlist. My specific suggestion would be to allow any RFC822 mailbox specification in place of a simple addr-spec.

By the way, and for what it's worth, the first of the three formats above, while commonly seen, does not appear to be legal per RFC822. At least I can't find a way to read the syntax as permitting it. So never mind that one, either.
-- 
/Jonathan Lundell.



From pozar at lns.com  Tue Feb 13 07:01:38 2001
From: pozar at lns.com (Tim Pozar)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:01:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem...
In-Reply-To: <20010211000201.A3420@lns.com>; from pozar@lns.com on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 12:02:03AM -0800
References: <20010211000201.A3420@lns.com>
Message-ID: <20010212220138.A49848@lns.com>

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 41, in main
>     OutgoingQueue.processQueue()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 114, in processQueue
>     Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname)
> AttributeError: TrySMTPDelivery 

Researching this more I can't find a subroutine called TrySMTPDelivery
in any files let alone Utils.   Any other clues as unfortunatly I
am not a python coder.

Thanks...
Tim
-- 
  Snail: Tim Pozar / LNS / 1978 45th Ave / San Francisco CA 94116 / USA
               POTS: +1 415 665 3790  Radio: KC6GNJ / KAE6247
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word."
                        - Andrew Jackson
"What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out,
    which is the exact opposite."              - Bertrand Russell



From lennu at tietoverkot.net  Tue Feb 13 10:31:59 2001
From: lennu at tietoverkot.net (Len Merikanto)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:31:59 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failed Exec: wanted one GID, got another
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102122307170.1462-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102131116560.50393-100000@mail.tietoverkot.net>

On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Brian Cohen wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I was running mailman-2.0beta2 and it was working okay but I decided to
> upgrade to mailman-2.0.1 and thats when the trouble started.  I configured
> the new version with the exact same ./configure options as with the older
> version (I lifted it from config.status), which is as follows:
> 
> with-mail-gid=mailman  ('mailman' is gid 12343)
> with-cgi-gid=nobody   ('nobody' is gid 32767, and is the user my Apache
> runs as.)
> 
> along with prefix and the location of python.  Now, however, when I try to
> post to the test list I created, the message causes the following error:
> 
> <test at sandworm.intercarve.net>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test". Command output: Failure
> to exec script. WANTED gid 12343, GOT gid 32767.  (Reconfigure to take
> 32767?)
> 
> I've seen this problem posted before, but I can't seem to nail this
> down. What's going on?
> 
> My MTA is Postfix and my OS is OpenBSD 2.7.
> 

Im still no advanced in my earlier post i still have same kind of problem
even i know gids are as they should be, is there anyway to check the gids
by hand? any program to report the gids.
i am quite positive that this linux is broken.
or mailman doesnt work correctly.

just for your convience:
[lennu at mail lennu]$ grep mailman /etc/group
mail::12:mail,mailman
mailman::2169:mailman,mail
[lennu at mail lennu]$ grep mailman /etc/passwd
mailman:*:2169:12:Mailman:/home/mailman:/usr/bin/bash
[lennu at mail lennu]$ ls -la ~mailman/mail/
total 34
drwxrwsr-x   2 root     mailman      1024 Feb  9 12:14 .
drwxrwsr-x  18 mailman  mailman      1024 Feb  9 12:14 ..
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman     31099 Feb  9 12:14 wrapper

Len Merikanto,		Phone:	+358968691950
Tietoverkot Oy		Mobile:	+358409008494
Munkkisaarenkatu 2	Fax:	+358968691935
00150 Helsinki, Finland




From brosich at univ.trieste.it  Tue Feb 13 10:49:29 2001
From: brosich at univ.trieste.it (Alberto Brosich)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:49:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how can I clone a list?
Message-ID: <3A890329.F603B61E@univ.trieste.it>

A simple question.

How can I  create a new list with the same configuration and members
of another?

Alberto Brosich
Trieste
Italy



From airwin at inf.bme.hu  Tue Feb 13 12:47:54 2001
From: airwin at inf.bme.hu (Ervin =?iso-8859-2?q?N=E9meth?=)
Date: 13 Feb 2001 12:47:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving problems
Message-ID: <gmvy9va3itx.fsf@kempelen.iit.bme.hu>

Hi,

After upgrading to mailman 2.0 we experienced the following problem:  The web
interface for the archives doesn't work.  The mbox is still accessible and
contains all the messages, but the summary is not generated.  The older
version of the summary is still there.  Creating a new mailing list doesn't
solve the problem.

I don't know if the following lines have something to do with the problem:

mailman at kempelen:~ % ls locks/                                            % 218
mailman at kempelen:~ % python -S cron/archive 2                             % 219
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "cron/archive", line 55, in ?
    if level <= list.archive_update_frequency:
AttributeError: 'MailList' instance has no attribute 'archive_update_frequency'
zsh: exit 1     python -S cron/archive 2
mailman at kempelen:~ % ls locks/                                            % 220
test-l.lock  test-l.lock.kempelen.3252

Apparently the archiving procedure leaves a lock file.

The operating system is Solaris7.

Please help, we really need the archives.

Thanks,
        Ervin
-- 
Sanitas est thesaurus vitae maximus.



From alexis at planet-three.net  Tue Feb 13 18:40:23 2001
From: alexis at planet-three.net (Alexis)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:40:23 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers
Message-ID: <NEBBJCGKFKIAJBIAFKFAMEIBDOAA.alexis@planet-three.net>

Hi,

Our company has just started to use Mailman for the first time, and
unfortunately none of us are familiar with Python.  So what I was wondering
was whether anyone could explain, in fairly simple terms, how we may be able
to do the following:

I have configured the software fine and can send out mails without any
problems, however is there a way to change the 'Return-Path' and 'To'
headers.

Ideally the 'To' header would contain something like 'undisclosed
recipients', and the Return-Path, an address specified by ourselves.

TIA
Alexis




From mail at joeorban.co.uk  Tue Feb 13 19:12:39 2001
From: mail at joeorban.co.uk (Joe Orban)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:12:39 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Attachments
References: <000e01c0945e$93babf60$0c2e1e3e@seanet><1930.216.140.158.162.981920256.squirrel@hutnick.com> <874rxzoekc.fsf@hal.olympus.fake>
Message-ID: <001501c095e8$8cf399a0$0c2e1e3e@seanet>

Thanks for the replies and info.  Problem is, Im running the list on my own
servers, Im using a hosting service, so Ive no access to make these changes.
I can ask the hosts, but they will be providing for other people as well, so
that may be a problem.

This is why ideally, I need to find some way to filter them at the mailman
interface.

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Davide G. M. Salvetti" <salve at debian.org>
To: "Peter Hutnick" <peter-lists at hutnick.com>
Cc: <mail at joeorban.co.uk>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking Attachments


> >>>>>  PH == Peter Hutnick [2001-2-11]
>
> PH> It might be better just to have your MTA strip attachmnets on
> PH> incoming messages to the list, before Mailman ever sees them.
>
> Following this suggestion, you may want to try MimeFilter, which is a
> filter expecting a MIME compliant message on stdin, which outputs a MIME
> compliant message on stdout stripping selected unwanted MIME parts from
> the original message (e.g., you can tell MimeFilter to strip text/html
> parts, or to allow only text/plain ones, or... as your fantasy and
> regexp power suggests you).
>
> You can find it on any Debian mirror (e.g., ftp.debian.org if you don't
> know anything better for you).
>
> If you use Debian, just `apt-get install mimefilter' (it's in
> `unstable'); if you don't, you may fetch the (Perl) sources here:
>          <ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mimefilter/>
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Davide Giovanni Maria Salvetti
> W: http://www.linux.it/~salve/
> OpenPGP (GPG) Key ID: 939686D5




From jeb at ocha.net  Tue Feb 13 19:45:48 2001
From: jeb at ocha.net (Jeb Bateman)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:45:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how can I clone a list?
In-Reply-To: <3A890329.F603B61E@univ.trieste.it>; from brosich@univ.trieste.it on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:29AM +0100
References: <3A890329.F603B61E@univ.trieste.it>
Message-ID: <20010213104548.D1922@ocha.net>

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:29AM +0100, Alberto Brosich wrote:
> A simple question.
> 
> How can I  create a new list with the same configuration and members
> of another?

1) export the old list config: ./bin/config_list -o /tmp/old.cfg oldlist
  and edit the config file to remove anything that shouldn't carry over.
2) import the config to clone: ./bin/config_list -i /tmp/old.cfg newlist
3) sync lists: ./bin/list_members oldlist | ./bin/sync_members -f - newlist

That should do it...

-jeb



From andy at nachoz.com  Tue Feb 13 20:39:39 2001
From: andy at nachoz.com (Andy Harrison)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:39:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin interface dead
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010213143939.andy@nachoz.com>

Hoping someone can help me figure this one out...  Very strange...

I was trying to install neomail, which required a newer version of CGI.pm than
the one that comes with stock Red Hat 7.0.  So I installed the latest version
direct from cpan CGI.pm-2.752.tar.gz.  I immediately started noticing weird
behavior.  When starting apache, I now see in the error_log

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
        LANGUAGE = (unset),
        LC_ALL = (unset),
        LC_CTYPE = "ISO8859-1",
        LANG = "en_US"
    are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
        LANGUAGE = (unset),
        LC_ALL = (unset),
        LC_CTYPE = "ISO8859-1",
        LANG = "en_US"
    are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").



I managed to stop this error by adding to my /etc/init.d/httpd:

LC_ALL=en_US.ISO8859-1
export LC_ALL


However, when I try to access the admin interface for any mailing list, it
simply hangs and after at least 3-5 minutes, it kicks back and gives me a
generic "this doc contains no data" error.  

I redid my ./configure --with-mail-gid=xx --with-cgi-gid=xx ; make install but
it didn't fix the problem.  

The listinfo interface still works normally.

python-1.5.2-27
python-devel-1.5.2-27
mod_perl-1.21-2
perl-5.00503-6

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From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Tue Feb 13 20:36:01 2001
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:36:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: <20010212181303.A21084@raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:13:03PM -0500
References: <20010212181303.A21084@raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20010213143601.A31772@raleigh.ibm.com>

All -

I've got some more details as to what I'm seeing when trying to setup an
umbrella list.

"List A" = Parent List <lista at ibm.com>
"List B" = Child List <listb at ibm.com>

Right now I have List B <listb at ibm.com> as a member of List A. When I send
an email to List A <lista at ibm.com> (The parent list) I see the following:

  * The members of "List A" get the message
  * The subject is "[List A] blah blah blah"
  * The footer is the List A defined footer
  
That same message shows up in List B as follows:

  * The members of "List B" get the message
  * The subject is "[List A][List B] blah blah blah"
  * The footer is the List A footer AND the List B footer
  
So how do I setup Mailman so that it knows  List B <listb at ibm.com> is 
another mailing list and that it should not append a list tag in the subject
or attache a footer to the list?

In the Mailman configs for each list it's setup as follows:

List A: umbrella_list = 1
        umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner'
	
List B: umbrella_list = 0
        umbrella_member_suffix = '-owner'

Any help would be great. Is what I'm trying to do beyond the ability of
Mailman 2.0?

-- Scott

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 06:13:03PM -0500, Scott Russell wrote:
> All -
> 
> I feel silly about this but after looking for an answer on and off through
> the day today I cannot seem to find one. Pointers and RTFM suggestions are
> needed.
> 
> I want to setup a simple umbrella list. The web page configs talk about
> 'umbrella_list' as an option but don't show it anywhere that I've seen. 
> 
> The problem is that as my lists are setup now I get double [list name] tags
> in the subject line. 
> 
> Where can I find the needed info to step me through the setup of an umbrella
> list?
> 
> Thanks much!
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>  Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
>  Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.





From cshobe at AixOS.net  Tue Feb 13 22:19:07 2001
From: cshobe at AixOS.net (Casey Allen Shobe)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:19:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo?
Message-ID: <1300.199.164.21.2.982099147.squirrel@mail.aixos.net>


Due to the problems that I've had with Mailman and my inability to fix 
them, I'm probably going to use Majordomo instead.  But I was wondering if 
there are any advantages of using Mailman.  Is there a comprehensive 
comparison somewhere?

Thanks,

-- 
Casey Allen Shobe - cshobe at aixos.net - http://aixos.net
Freelance hacker, putting life in a nutshell bit by bit




From viega at list.org  Tue Feb 13 23:01:01 2001
From: viega at list.org (John Viega)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:01:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo?
In-Reply-To: <1300.199.164.21.2.982099147.squirrel@mail.aixos.net>; from cshobe@AixOS.net on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:19:07PM -0500
References: <1300.199.164.21.2.982099147.squirrel@mail.aixos.net>
Message-ID: <20010213170101.A3126@list.org>

I just read both your posts.  I haven't run qmail in a number of
years.  This is mainly because it's got usability problems, and
postfix doesn't... both are essentially the same when it comes to
performance and security.  I'd recommend you switch to postfix if you
can; Mailman is known to work very well with it.

If that isn't an option, than hopefully someone else here can help.

I think switching to majordomo isn't going to be much of a help; I've
heard that majordomo + qmail is far worse than Mailman + qmail.
However, it may be that it's better documented.

As for a comparison between Mailman and majordomo, I don't think I've
seen a good one.  The biggest difference is that Mailman comes with a
lot of end-user oriented services integrated, such as the web
interface, archiving, etc.  There are extensions for majordomo for
most of those things, but you'll have to find and install them all.
You're also not likely to see a web interface that is as good as
Mailman's.

John

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 04:19:07PM -0500, Casey Allen Shobe wrote:
> 
> Due to the problems that I've had with Mailman and my inability to fix 
> them, I'm probably going to use Majordomo instead.  But I was wondering if 
> there are any advantages of using Mailman.  Is there a comprehensive 
> comparison somewhere?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Casey Allen Shobe - cshobe at aixos.net - http://aixos.net
> Freelance hacker, putting life in a nutshell bit by bit
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From pozar at lns.com  Tue Feb 13 23:06:16 2001
From: pozar at lns.com (Tim Pozar)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:06:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Problem...
In-Reply-To: <3A89A4EE.6763BC1C@west.sun.com>; from dan.mick@west.sun.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:19:42PM -0800
References: <20010211000201.A3420@lns.com> <20010212220138.A49848@lns.com> <3A891771.3623FC79@west.sun.com> <14985.16679.587433.999942@anthem.wooz.org> <3A89A4EE.6763BC1C@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20010213140616.B66410@lns.com>

Yup... I ran into the same problem.  If I shotgun the directory
and installed a fresh version of 2.0.1 then things were fine ('cept
a number of permission problems that were resolved.)

Tim

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:19:42PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
> > >>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com> writes:
> > 
> >     DM> That *is* interesting.  I don't see any available
> >     DM> TrySMTPDelivery any more either, and I'm not quite sure where
> >     DM> it might have gone.  Sure looks wrong.
> > 
> > You must be running an old (1.x) version of Mailman.  There is no
> > TrySMTPDelivery in Mailman 2.0.1.  Please upgrade!
> 
> Duh.  And it's in my tree because the repeated "upgrade install" cycles
> don't delete now-dead files.  Sorry to mislead; thanks Barry.

-- 
  Snail: Tim Pozar / LNS / 1978 45th Ave / San Francisco CA 94116 / USA
               POTS: +1 415 665 3790  Radio: KC6GNJ / KAE6247
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word."
                        - Andrew Jackson
"What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out,
    which is the exact opposite."              - Bertrand Russell



From rob at 2guyshosting.com  Wed Feb 14 04:36:18 2001
From: rob at 2guyshosting.com (M. Robert Martin)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:36:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo?
In-Reply-To: <1300.199.164.21.2.982099147.squirrel@mail.aixos.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0102132129580.1366-100000@shamoo.2guyshosting.com>

i guess i missed your qmail post. sorry.

i've been on majordomo lists that are horrendously slow, sometimes on the
order of ten hours. they have since switched to mailman, and it seems to
happen within 15 minutes now.

i'm running mailman on linux and on openbsd, on three different machines,
all with qmail and have no problems to report at all. one machine handles
about 100,000 emails a month, and i haven't had to do even one thing to
the configuration since installing mailman. we've even got the interface
running under https.

if i neglected to notice a post about problems getting mailman + qmail
playing nicely, i'm sorry -- it's definitely a combination i'd recommend,
and i'd be happy to try to answer questions you're having regarding
configuration.

rob martin

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Casey Allen Shobe wrote:

> 
> Due to the problems that I've had with Mailman and my inability to fix 
> them, I'm probably going to use Majordomo instead.  But I was wondering if 
> there are any advantages of using Mailman.  Is there a comprehensive 
> comparison somewhere?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Casey Allen Shobe - cshobe at aixos.net - http://aixos.net
> Freelance hacker, putting life in a nutshell bit by bit
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From carlstj at francolinux.net  Wed Feb 14 05:49:41 2001
From: carlstj at francolinux.net (Carl St-Jacques)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:49:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Private archive question
Message-ID: <NEBBIOMMCPPGABOCMGCIMEPMDAAA.carlstj@francolinux.net>

Hi,

I have a strange problem with mailman and coldfusion. I'm using coldfusion
to generate a special page for the archive. The page is working without
problem when the list archive are public but when i change the archive to
private, my coldfusion page is not working.

By default mailman is looking for an index.html file for the private archive
and i changed that to index.cfm without success.

Thanks.
Carl St-Jacques




From cshobe at AixOS.net  Wed Feb 14 06:47:49 2001
From: cshobe at AixOS.net (Casey Allen Shobe)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:47:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0102132129580.1366-100000@shamoo.2guyshosting.com>
References: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0102132129580.1366-100000@shamoo.2guyshosting.com>
Message-ID: <40777.66.56.44.15.982129669.squirrel@mail.aixos.net>


> if i neglected to notice a post about problems getting mailman + qmail
> playing nicely, i'm sorry -- it's definitely a combination i'd
> recommend, and i'd be happy to try to answer questions you're having
> regarding configuration.

Bleh, I wasn't meaning to cry for help with mailman + qmail...

Just curious.. I've actually had a user specifically request majordomo
after noting to them that I was probably going to get mailman working
soon, they particularly liked the fact that *everything* could be done via
email, which is a powerful asset...

I will freely admit that I'm a mailman newbie, and as my intentions
currently stand, I will probably get two test systems going, one with
mailman, one with majordomo, and see what flies...

-- 
Casey Allen Shobe - cshobe at aixos.net - http://aixos.net
Freelance hacker, putting life in a nutshell bit by bit





From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Wed Feb 14 10:29:12 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:29:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Alexis" <alexis@planet-three.net> 
   of "Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:40:23 GMT." <NEBBJCGKFKIAJBIAFKFAMEIBDOAA.alexis@planet-three.net> 
Message-ID: <E14SyFM-0002HI-00@rioja.localnet>

alexis at planet-three.net said:
> I have configured the software fine and can send out mails without any
> problems, however is there a way to change the 'Return-Path' and 'To'
> headers. 

It should be fairly easy to modify To (remember that you probably also 
need to hit Cc, Bcc, Resent-* etc), probably by a fragment added in the 
Mailman/Handlers directory - look at CookHeaders etc for examples.

Return-Path is special.  The RFCs say it is constructed at final 
delivery, so any Return-Path on a message you generate is an error and 
should be stripped.  Its also where effectively the envelope-sender is 
put (effectively because it may be munged, source-routed or similar).  
If you do tamper with this and your MTA does not throw it away then you 
will probably break the bounce handling for all downstream mail 
systems.  Basically don't do this, ever, not nohow.   The envelope 
sender should be constructed correctly by Mailman and be <list-id>
-admin@<domain> - unless you are doing VERP processing somehow.

Why did you want to change Return-Path?

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From gcole at friends-partners.org  Wed Feb 14 13:28:15 2001
From: gcole at friends-partners.org (Greg Cole)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:28:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AttributeError: UnixMailbox
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0102140721290.12514-100000@gc4.friends-partners.org>

Hi, I'm having difficulty installing mailman (2.01) (python 2.0) on MacOS
X PB.  The configure, permissions, compilation, etc. seems to be fine but
the "make install" finally terminates with the following:  (also, any
invocation of scripts like "newlist" terminate with the same):

. . .
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 32, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 45, in ?
    from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ?
    from Archiver import *
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 33, in ?
    from Mailman import Mailbox
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 23, in ?
    import mailbox
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 27, in ?
    class Mailbox(mailbox.UnixMailbox):
AttributeError: UnixMailbox


I've searched the net but can't seem to find what is happening.  The files
mailbox.py and mailbox.pyc are installed in /usr/local/lib/python2.0.

Does anyone have any ideas on what will fix this?  

Thanks so much,

Greg




From PBoshoff at mweb.com  Wed Feb 14 14:38:57 2001
From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:38:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lyris List server
Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FEA41@za14nt02.mweb.com>

Hi,

I would like to know if there are anybody how have successfully migrated
Lyris to Mailman?

thanks 

>  Pieter Boshoff
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
>  unix sys admin
> Tel: +27 12 340 7256
> Fax: +27 12 340 7288
> Cell: +27 83 600 4095
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
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> 
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> 
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From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Feb 14 16:06:29 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:06:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lyris List server
In-Reply-To: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FEA41@za14nt02.mweb.com
 >
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010214093055.00c31390@internet.idrc.ca>

At 03:38 PM 2001/02/14 +0200, Pieter Boshoff wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I would like to know if there are anybody how have successfully migrated
>Lyris to Mailman?

Pieter,

I was able to move a list over from Lyris to Mailman but there was a 
problem with processing the exported archive file (created using the Lyris 
exp-arc.pl script). I could not get the old messages processed by Pipermail 
at all, although I had better luck with MHonarc. Lyris stores its messages 
with double carriage returns and I had to convert them to single CRs before 
Mhonarc would process them properly. To fix a Lyris exported archive file, 
just do something like this in Perl:

#! /usr/bin/perl
#
open(INFILE,"@ARGV") || die "Couldn't open input file\n";
open(OUTFILE,"> @ARGV.fix") || die ;
while (<INFILE>) {
         $line = $_;
         $line =~ s/\r\r/\r/g;
         print OUTFILE $line;
}
close(INFILE);
close(OUTFILE);

If you  name the above script "fixfile.pl", then just do:

 > fixfile.pl  mylist-l.txt

And you'll get a fixed file called  "mylist-l.txt.fix"

If you figure out how to get Pipermail to process the fixed import file, 
let me know.

As far as members go, you'll have to use (or write) a script on the Lyris 
side to create a file that contains addresses for regular Lyris members and 
another file for digest and index Lyris members and use the mailman 
add_members command to add them:

 > add_members -n  regular_members.txt  mylist-l
 > add_members -d  digest_members.txt  mylist-l

Your index users will have to be advised that the best you can do for them 
is set them to digest (unless mailman has an index subscribers feature and 
I'm not aware of it).

As you're probably aware, Lyris is feature-rich. Many Lyris list 
configuration options simply do not exist in Mailman (I'd say that 80% of 
stuff on the Mailman wish list exists in Lyris), so you'll have to keep 
this in mind when creating your lists. Administrators and members will lose 
options and you may want to make them aware of that beforehand rather than 
suffering their wrath after the fact.

Good luck!

- Kevin






From jjanney at buckeyeinet.com  Wed Feb 14 16:27:54 2001
From: jjanney at buckeyeinet.com (James Janney)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:27:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribr jjanney@buckeyeinet.com
Message-ID: <200102141527.KAA16568@tics1.buckeyeinet.com>

  I do not want anymore emails. Do you understand ? James
Janney.  2-14-2001  Wen.  Time Sent  10:26 am. reply asap.



From olk at olk.co.kr  Wed Feb 14 22:04:32 2001
From: olk at olk.co.kr (Online Korea)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 06:04:32 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?bWFpbG1hbi11c2Vyc7TUIL7Is+fHz7y8v+Q/IA==?=
Message-ID: <3W-POP3-AJE2044cY6P0000337d@3w-pop3-aj.korea.com>

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From webmaster at beeandflower.com  Wed Feb 14 23:35:18 2001
From: webmaster at beeandflower.com (Bee and Flower Webmaster)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:35:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Announcements
Message-ID: <010101c096d6$68b82440$89f18140@dingleberry>

I'm currently running the Website for the band Bee and Flower
(http://www.beeandflower.com) and they've requested an announcements list
for upcoming shows.  Their site is hosted on Liquid Web, and Liquid Web runs
Mailman 2.0.1.  There is mention of making use of parallel lists, so that
for instance Shows at beeandflower.com will not allow members other than admins
or managers to post, and that replies to the list would be directed to
another list, say fans at beeandflower.com  Are there any instructions
explicitly detailing this?  I'd appreciate any suggestions, even if that
means just running a straight announcement list for shows.  The band members
want a way to get a show date out without having to use their own mail
clients.

If this is possible, I'd greatly appreciate your advice.

Thanks,

Christopher Gabbert




From LongL at doubletwist.com  Wed Feb 14 23:41:13 2001
From: LongL at doubletwist.com (Long Li)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:41:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thread view error
Message-ID: <3D82EFC06BB9D311B0940090277C086C02FBD93E@exchange.panbio.com>

Dear All

My Pipermail archived messages are not in the right order in terms of thread
relationship, e.g., some replies are listed as original posts. What is
wrong? Mailman setting or something else? Thank you for any thoughts.

Long



From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Feb 15 00:18:56 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:18:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fund management[private & confidential]
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010212095650.00d70760@mail.stetson.edu>; from abyrnes@stetson.edu on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:10:04AM -0500
References: <20010212032050.4648.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010212095650.00d70760@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <20010214151855.D3741@magic.merlins.org>

On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 10:10:04AM -0500, Arthur J. Byrnes wrote:
> At 07:20 PM 2/11/01 -0800, jeff utarzi wrote:
> >Attn: The President
> >Dear sir,
> >FUND MANAGEMENT / BUSINESS OFFER.  Blah, blah, blah spam removed
> 
> Ok, I started this earlier, and decided that I was just being a 
> whiner, but now, I'm not so sure.  This particular piece of spam 
> is not only annoying, it is false, illegal, and really old...
> 
> The spam to this list has become rather heavy, and I think it 
> may be time to restrict the posting to subscribers only.  As 

There is a better option.
Since the  python.org folks run  exim 3.21, they  could stick this  in their
exim.conf:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
sender_verify_hosts_callback = /etc/mail/badsendinghosts:*
sender_verify_callback_domains = /etc/mail/baddomains:*
# Wait up to 90s for the remote mail server to answer
sender_verify_callback_timeout = 90s

# Refuse messages with bad headers
headers_sender_verify = true
headers_check_syntax = true
headers_checks_fail = true
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

The first 4 lines refuse any mail that  can't be replied to, and gets rid of
a lot of  spam (most of it  actually), the other ones catch  other mail that
doesn't look right.

See the exim.org documentation for more info on those.

Marc
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From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Feb 15 00:28:17 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:28:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fund management[private & confidential]
References: <20010212032050.4648.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010212095650.00d70760@mail.stetson.edu> <20010214151855.D3741@magic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <3A8B1491.7CD27B69@nleaudio.com>

I still say they should reject non-menber postings.  This is getting unruly.



From derick at zeni.net  Thu Feb 15 00:37:17 2001
From: derick at zeni.net (Don Erickson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:37:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious Header
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102141732080.15098-100000@shark.zeni.net>

Hello Good People,

Where do I find the code that defines a "Suspicious Header?"  I'm
attempting to get a mail/usenet gateway going with Mailman 2.0.
I have no experience with python, but am intrigued.  Thanks for reading.


Regards,

-Don
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From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Thu Feb 15 01:05:03 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:05:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious Header
Message-ID: <200102150003.QAA29198@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Where do I find the code that defines a "Suspicious Header?"  I'm
> attempting to get a mail/usenet gateway going with Mailman 2.0.
> I have no experience with python, but am intrigued.  Thanks for reading.

~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py does all the checks-for-moderation,
pretty much.

I suspect "where is the code" is not really the question you want
to ask, but that's where the code is.




From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Thu Feb 15 01:03:32 2001
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:03:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapping Mailman tools in PHP?
Message-ID: <p05010409b6b0cbb464ab@[216.162.173.6]>

Hey,

I was trying to wrap several of the Mailman CLI tools (list_lists and 
such) in a little PHP so I could easily integrate them into a larger 
web site.  Using PHP's System() function and the backtick operator to 
exec the Mail tools never seems to result in any output, but no 
errors either.  However, I can drop a Perl script in the ~mailman/bin 
directory with the same ownership and permissions, and it seems to 
exec just fine.

Any idea what I'm overlooking?

	- H

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From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Thu Feb 15 01:39:19 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:39:19 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles directory
Message-ID: <3A8B2537.952AEF0C@uts.edu.au>

My question relates to the purpose of the qfiles directory... when a
message is living in that directory, what does that mean? Does it mean
mailman hasnt processed it at all, and is a sort of inbox, or is it for
messages which cannot be delivered at the current time.

Also, how many files would you expect to be there at any given time,
relative to the approprate variables? (examples would be handy, too.)

It is a mailman 2.0 installation, using sendmail which defers delivery. 

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice.

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator



From derick at zeni.net  Thu Feb 15 02:58:54 2001
From: derick at zeni.net (Don Erickson)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:58:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious Header
In-Reply-To: <200102150003.QAA29198@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102141949190.15644-100000@shark.zeni.net>

On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:

> I suspect "where is the code" is not really the question you want
> to ask, but that's where the code is.

You are correct.  How do I redefine or disable the "suspicious header"
checking is the question that I should have asked, although I think I
should be able to disable it by removing the class definition.  Thanks for
your reply.


Regards,

-Don
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From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Thu Feb 15 03:36:03 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:36:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious Header
Message-ID: <200102150234.SAA07564@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:58:54 -0600 (CST)
> From: Don Erickson <derick at zeni.net>
> To: Dan Mick <dmick at utopia.west.sun.com>
> cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Suspicious Header
> 
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > I suspect "where is the code" is not really the question you want
> > to ask, but that's where the code is.
> 
> You are correct.  How do I redefine or disable the "suspicious header"
> checking is the question that I should have asked, 

and if you had, I would have answered "on the admin web pages".
See Privacy Options/Spam-specific posting filters, option 5 of 6.

> although I think I
> should be able to disable it by removing the class definition.  

You certainly shouldn't need to modify the source to do this.




From andy at nachoz.com  Thu Feb 15 04:18:11 2001
From: andy at nachoz.com (Andy Harrison)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:18:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *UN*restricted posting not working
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010214221811.andy@nachoz.com>

I have a list that I want people to be able to post on who are not members of
the list.  I have it set correctly, but it still holds posts.  I'll show you a
screen shot if you want, but suffice it to say I've checked the config
repeatedly:

Approve by admin  NO
Restrict to list members NO
Must have list named in destination NO

For addresses not requiring implicit approval, it works if I add an address
here, but I need it so that anyone can post to it.  I tried adding...

.*example.com

but that doesn't work.  And I also tried .*@.* but that didn't do anything
either, posts are still held.

log entry:
Feb 14 19:15:00 2001 (2824) listname post from xxxx at xxxx.com held: Posting
to a restricted list by sender requires approval

Oh, Advertise List is set to NO...

I'm running 2.0.1, python-1.5.2-27, postfix-20010128-1. 

Any suggestions would be appreciated.


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From dave at biojazz.com  Thu Feb 15 12:59:36 2001
From: dave at biojazz.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 03:59:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] comments plz: mailman as single accounts?
In-Reply-To: <00b601c08c66$eb89bfc0$574a35d8@net.donna>
References: <00b601c08c66$eb89bfc0$574a35d8@net.donna>
Message-ID: <01021504103602.06980@atlas.biojazz.com>

Hey List...

What do you think and got any known tips/hints on using mailman as a
business/office "single-user mail server" interface in addition to its "real"
purpose? By this I mean, for example, new employee comes in, I say go to URL so
and so and subscribe. Once done, the request would go to admin  of the "list."
Then the data are piped to useradd, smb, etc. to make it simple. I've left out
the gory details of coding it for this because I haven't done it yet. Feedback
appreciated ;-)

ah, a list of one? It could probably do a lot...auto-build office-wide broadcast
email, targeted discussions, and so on...

 




From dragonfy at fra.allnet.ne.jp  Thu Feb 15 13:52:42 2001
From: dragonfy at fra.allnet.ne.jp (Yasuo Imai)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:52:42 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me my User name and password
Message-ID: <NFBBJJEFGLEKCFNDLEKLCEBCCAAA.dragonfy@fra.allnet.ne.jp>




From andreas at conectiva.com.br  Thu Feb 15 14:01:16 2001
From: andreas at conectiva.com.br (Andreas Hasenack)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:01:16 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin interface "stalling" for some lists
Message-ID: <20010215110115.C20456@conectiva.com.br>

Hi, I checked the archives before and found two other users
with the same problem, but sadly no answer. Maybe this time...

For a specific list, the admin interface just doesn't work. Either
I get a 503 error or a timeout. A ps ax|grep python shows many
processes on the server:
12994 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver ad
13022 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver ad

Everytime I click on the admin link for that list, a new process is spawned and
stays there. Other lists work fine.

Apache's log shows:
[Thu Feb 15 10:48:42 2001] [error] [client x.x.x.x] Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

This is for the client who got the 503 error. Afterwards, he just gets time outs
(the document contained no data).

An strace of one of these processes:
select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 580000}) = 0 (Timeout)
link("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock.distro.conectiva.com.br.12994", "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
open("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", O_RDONLY) = 5
fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
lseek(5, 0, SEEK_CUR)                   = 0
fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4015d000
_llseek(5, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)            = 0
read(5, "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock."..., 4096) = 61
read(5, "", 4096)                       = 0
close(5)                                = 0
munmap(0x4015d000, 4096)                = 0
gettimeofday({982245161, 508158}, NULL) = 0
stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {1, 561983}) = 0 (Timeout)
link("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock.distro.conectiva.com.br.12994", "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
open("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", O_RDONLY) = 5
fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
lseek(5, 0, SEEK_CUR)                   = 0
fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4015d000
_llseek(5, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)            = 0
read(5, "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock."..., 4096) = 61
read(5, "", 4096)                       = 0
close(5)                                = 0
munmap(0x4015d000, 4096)                = 0
gettimeofday({982245163, 77289}, NULL)  = 0
stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 294377}) = 0 (Timeout)
link("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock.distro.conectiva.com.br.12994", "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
open("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", O_RDONLY) = 5
fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
lseek(5, 0, SEEK_CUR)                   = 0
fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4015d000
_llseek(5, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)            = 0
read(5, "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock."..., 4096) = 61
read(5, "", 4096)                       = 0
close(5)                                = 0
munmap(0x4015d000, 4096)                = 0
gettimeofday({982245163, 377306}, NULL) = 0
stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {1, 494235} <unfinished ...>

and it keeps looping.

So far, it seems that the problem starts when a specific client connects to the admin
interface, he gets an immediate 503 problem and then no one else can connect to the
admin interface of that list. Weird.

Error log in mailman shows nothing related.

Any clues?

Versions:
mailman-2.0.1-1cl
python-1.5.2-6cl
apache-midgard-1.2.5-10

(this is apache 1.3.11 + midgard)

Other lists on the same server work fine. I removed this lds list and created
it again, worked only for a short period of time.

BTW, "lds" is the first list created under mailman-2.0.1, the previous ones were
created while the beta5 version was installed.




From julio.melati at mensagero.com.br  Thu Feb 15 15:26:42 2001
From: julio.melati at mensagero.com.br (Julio Cesar J Melati)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:26:42 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] serious gid problem
Message-ID: <006701c0975b$516a1a20$0300000a@mensagero.int.br>

hello all :)

recently i upgrade the mailman version beta2 for beta5. in beta2 all work.
but now, i'm get the error "wanted gid 501, got gid 65535. reconfigure?". i
know who need recompile for gid 65535 with the parameter with-mail-gid. but
i can't put the mailman in the group 65535. what is happened?
box conectiva linux 5.1 (brazilian distribuition like redhat)
sendmail 8.9.3, apache 1.3.12.

sorry, my english is poor, but my soul is better :)




From dragonfy at fra.allnet.ne.jp  Thu Feb 15 14:20:17 2001
From: dragonfy at fra.allnet.ne.jp (Yasuo Imai)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:20:17 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1035 - 15 msgs
In-Reply-To: <E14TO0x-0004Pg-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJJEFGLEKCFNDLEKLKEBECAAA.dragonfy@fra.allnet.ne.jp>


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From cfarinella at appropriatesolutions.com  Thu Feb 15 15:50:05 2001
From: cfarinella at appropriatesolutions.com (Charlie Farinella)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:50:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New List, new admin
Message-ID: <200102151452.JAA13402@mail.AppropriateSolutions.com>

I have taken on a mailman installation with two working mailing lists.

I am attempting to add a third, and did so following the instructions, and
using the two existing lists as  examples.  The list is created, I get my
admin email, go to the site and register only to have the mail bounce with
the error "User Unknown".  

Reading through the archives, it would appear that this could be an alias
problem.  I have entered the correct information in /etc/postfix/aliases
and run 'newaliases'.  

I am overlooking something fundamental here, and would appreciate any
pointers, hints, relevent docs, etc.

TIA,


__
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Appropriate Solutions, Inc.
603-924-6079





From brian at acm.jhu.edu  Thu Feb 15 16:12:00 2001
From: brian at acm.jhu.edu (Brian Cohen)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:12:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] serious gid problem
In-Reply-To: <006701c0975b$516a1a20$0300000a@mensagero.int.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102151005120.23059-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

I had this problem too, and I found a solution.  Basically, I had to tell
my MTA (Postfix, in my case) to execute external programs as the same user
I specified with --with-mail-gid.  So for example, if you did
--with-mail-gid=mailman, then you need to somehow reconfigure Sendmail to
execute external programs as 'mailman'.  I have virtually no experience
with Sendmail (gave up on it long ago) so I don't know how, or whether,
this could be done.  In Postfix, I had to un-comment the 'default_privs'
option in main.cf and set it as 'default_privs = mailman'.

I know a lot of other people are having this problem too, so I hope this
helps a little.

-Brian

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Julio Cesar J Melati wrote:

> hello all :)
> 
> recently i upgrade the mailman version beta2 for beta5. in beta2 all work.
> but now, i'm get the error "wanted gid 501, got gid 65535. reconfigure?". i
> know who need recompile for gid 65535 with the parameter with-mail-gid. but
> i can't put the mailman in the group 65535. what is happened?
> box conectiva linux 5.1 (brazilian distribuition like redhat)
> sendmail 8.9.3, apache 1.3.12.
> 
> sorry, my english is poor, but my soul is better :)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From elly at CS.Cornell.EDU  Thu Feb 15 16:40:33 2001
From: elly at CS.Cornell.EDU (Ellen J. Cramer)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:40:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
Message-ID: <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu>

Hi,
The Mailman headers are very verbose, is there a way to set the config so it
is less obnoxious for the users?  I am not using sendmail for anything else
on this machine.  We are using Mailman 2.0.1 on RedHat 7.1.

-elly

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From Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk  Thu Feb 15 16:51:46 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:51:46 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU> 
   of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:40:33 EST." <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu> 
Message-ID: <E14TQh8-0000kt-00@rioja.localnet>

elly at CS.Cornell.EDU said:
> The Mailman headers are very verbose, is there a way to set the config
> so it is less obnoxious for the users?  I am not using sendmail for
> anything else on this machine.  We are using Mailman 2.0.1 on RedHat
> 7.1. 

The users should not be shown these headers by a sane MUA.  If your MUA 
is forcing these headers on users then it is non-RFC compliant and 
should be taken out and shot.  The headers are for message meta data 
and should not in general be shown in raw form to the user unless they 
ask for that data.

"Fixing" Mailman to not add the useful headers makes Mailman less 
useful to those of us with capable mail systems and reduces the 
pressure on those writing MUAs to do a decent job.  Also a number of 
the headers added by Mailman are critical in the prevention of mail 
loops - and if that happened you would be crying out for us to put the 
headers back in again.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham           Nigel.Metheringham at InTechnology.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
[ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ]





From hlstyron at wcrklaw.com  Thu Feb 15 17:37:44 2001
From: hlstyron at wcrklaw.com (HarryStyron)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:37:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Held Message for "implicit address"
Message-ID: <3A8C05D8.B8964048@wcrklaw.com>

What does "implicit address" mean in the administrative hold message?

I run a series of lists for different groups.  Most of them are set for
subscriber only posting.  At the moment my subscribers are complaining
that all of their traffic is held (and I'm complaining, too!) which it
is, with the above reason in the admin approval message.

USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER=0 was set when Mailman was originally set up.  What
am I missing?

Thanks,

Harry Styron
hlstyron at wcrklaw.com





From mojo at whiteoaks.com  Thu Feb 15 19:24:30 2001
From: mojo at whiteoaks.com (Morris Jones)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:24:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Held Message for "implicit address"
In-Reply-To: <3A8C05D8.B8964048@wcrklaw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102151022370.29435-100000@notrump.whiteoaks.com>

Perhaps you have an alias for your group name that's different from what
mailman thinks the list is named.

Look on the "Privacy Options" page for "Alias names which qualify as
explicit to or cc destination names for this list."

Best regards,
Mojo

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, HarryStyron wrote:

> What does "implicit address" mean in the administrative hold message?
> 
> I run a series of lists for different groups.  Most of them are set for
> subscriber only posting.  At the moment my subscribers are complaining
> that all of their traffic is held (and I'm complaining, too!) which it
> is, with the above reason in the admin approval message.
> 
> USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER=0 was set when Mailman was originally set up.  What
> am I missing?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Harry Styron
> hlstyron at wcrklaw.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
Morris Jones         <*>
San Rafael, CA
mojo at whiteoaks.com
http://www.whiteoaks.com




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Thu Feb 15 20:17:35 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:17:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <E14TQh8-0000kt-00@rioja.localnet>
References: <Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU>
 <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>

>The users should not be shown these headers by a sane MUA.  If your MUA
>is forcing these headers on users then it is non-RFC compliant and
>should be taken out and shot.

Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC?  If so, you can't call the 
MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't been finalized and approved.

As I mentioned last week, forcing mailing list admins to make their 
subscribers switch email clients or make modifications to their current 
email clients is unreasonable.

>"Fixing" Mailman to not add the useful headers makes Mailman less
>useful to those of us with capable mail systems and reduces the
>pressure on those writing MUAs to do a decent job.  Also a number of
>the headers added by Mailman are critical in the prevention of mail
>loops - and if that happened you would be crying out for us to put the
>headers back in again.

As I also mentioned last week, it's better to support the standard in a way
that also supports the users of mailman.  This can be done by adding the
new headers to mailman and making their use optional.  Best of all, this
will avoid problems like the one you mention of mail loops, because the
developers of mailman will have the knowledge and expertise necessary
to determine which headers should be optional.

-Ed




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Feb 15 21:29:03 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:29:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151228110.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote:
> As I also mentioned last week, it's better to support the standard in a way
> that also supports the users of mailman.  This can be done by adding the
> new headers to mailman and making their use optional.  Best of all, this
> will avoid problems like the one you mention of mail loops, because the
> developers of mailman will have the knowledge and expertise necessary
> to determine which headers should be optional.

One question that has been asked repeatedly of the people on your side if
this question and never answered: what MUAs show these headers by default?
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Thu Feb 15 21:40:35 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:40:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151228110.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o
 rg>
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com>

>One question that has been asked repeatedly of the people on your side if
>this question and never answered: what MUAs show these headers by default?

 From feedback I've received, it appears Eudora is the most widely used MUA 
showing these headers.  I think a few people were using old versions of 
pine, dtmail, and Netscape Navigator.  I'd have to double check to verify 
this, but I hope that helps.

-Ed




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Feb 15 21:42:19 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:42:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151241350.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote:
>  From feedback I've received, it appears Eudora is the most widely used MUA
> showing these headers.  I think a few people were using old versions of
> pine, dtmail, and Netscape Navigator.  I'd have to double check to verify
> this, but I hope that helps.

Thanks.


I use Eudora at home all the time, though, and it DOESN'T show these
headers by default...
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Thu Feb 15 22:09:37 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:09:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151241350.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o
 rg>
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215125849.03562ea0@mail.atfantasy.com>

>I use Eudora at home all the time, though, and it DOESN'T show these
>headers by default...

This is because you've upgraded Eudora to the most recent version and / or 
made changes to the TabooHeaders parameter in the eudora.ini 
file.  Right?  And if that's the case, are you suggesting people who 
subscribe to mailing lists and complain about the extra headers should do 
exactly as you've done?





From reb at taco.com  Thu Feb 15 22:22:39 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:22:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215125849.03562ea0@mail.atfantasy.com>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151241350.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o rg>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010215161547.033b9398@taco.com>

At 01:09 PM 2/15/2001 -0800, Ed Lazor wrote:

>>I use Eudora at home all the time, though, and it DOESN'T show these
>>headers by default...
>
>This is because you've upgraded Eudora to the most recent version and / or 
>made changes to the TabooHeaders parameter in the eudora.ini 
>file.  Right?  And if that's the case, are you suggesting people who 
>subscribe to mailing lists and complain about the extra headers should do 
>exactly as you've done?

Look -- it's obvious that the folks who are writing and maintaining Mailman
have thought about this. They have heard these complaints since the 2.0
code with the header changes was released. They are most likely not
going to change things.

HOWEVER, since the source code is freely available, you have it within
your power to modify it and remove the offending lines of code that
generate the "extra" headers.

Do we *really* have to go through this again and again?

reb




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Thu Feb 15 22:42:49 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:42:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010215161547.033b9398@taco.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215125849.03562ea0@mail.atfantasy.com>
 <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151241350.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o rg>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com>

>HOWEVER, since the source code is freely available, you have it within
>your power to modify it and remove the offending lines of code that
>generate the "extra" headers.
>
>Do we *really* have to go through this again and again?

How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make?

-Ed




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Feb 15 22:41:10 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:41:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote:
> How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make?

Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it
will slow adoption of the RFC.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb 15 22:45:43 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:45:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010215161547.033b9398@taco.com>
Message-ID: <B6B18E07.4A00%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 2/15/01 1:22 PM, "Phydeaux" <reb at taco.com> wrote:

> Do we *really* have to go through this again and again?

I think so, mostly because people don't care about what ought to be and why
it is, but what they want.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a
message...





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Feb 15 22:47:45 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:47:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <B6B18E81.4A09%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

>> How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make?
> 
> Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it
> will slow adoption of the RFC.

And because it's the wrong thing to do, and I don't want to see it
encouraged or supported, even implicitly.


This has been hashed over more than once. If you insist on doing it, we
can't stop oyu. But don't expect us to help, make it easy, or say it's okay
when we don't think it is. It's not.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

Love is the process of my leading you gently back to yourself.
            - Saint Exupery





From jlundell at pobox.com  Thu Feb 15 22:50:19 2001
From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:50:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <p05010406b6b1fe0a356c@[209.245.157.6]>

>On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote:
>> How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes to make?
>
>Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it
>will slow adoption of the RFC.

The question that drove the FAQ request above was:

>HOWEVER, since the source code is freely available, you have it within
>your power to modify it and remove the offending lines of code that
>generate the "extra" headers.
>
>Do we *really* have to go through this again and again?

"again and again" sounds like a FAQ to me.

BTW, and WRT Eudora, the Mac version shows headers by default, but suppresses those in an explicit list, available in Settings in a preference panel called "Boring Headers". There's a "Blah Blah" button on the received-message window for showing all headers including the "boring" ones.

Adopting an RFC would be good, yes. If somebody posted a pointer to a draft of the RFC, I missed it....
-- 
/Jonathan Lundell.



From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Thu Feb 15 23:06:07 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:06:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o
 rg>
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134624.032954b8@mail.atfantasy.com>

>Well, (a) it's a rarely-asked, not frequently-asked, question, and (b) it
>will slow adoption of the RFC.

If it's a rarely-asked question, then posting something for those who do 
ask should be seen as a step towards customer service and present no threat 
to adoption of the RFC.

I originally asked how to remove the extra headers and received close to 30 
responses attacking me for my stupidity in wanting to do such a thing and 
calling my members lazy and overly sensitive. This suggested I had asked a 
question people were tired of hearing.

Elly even got an earful, "Jeeze, I must be lucky, I only received 4 
messages telling me to educate my users. I got Mailman up and running about 
3 weeks ago and already I have had many complaints about the headers.".

Ultimately, if nothing changes, more people will continue to ask the 
question and those on the mailing list tired of hearing about it will grow 
more and more frustrated.  I'm trying to make an appeal towards helping 
resolve the situation.  What happens is up to you.

-Ed




From mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net  Thu Feb 15 23:15:12 2001
From: mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net (Mike Noyes)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:15:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fund management[private & confidential]
In-Reply-To: <20010214151855.D3741@magic.merlins.org>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010212095650.00d70760@mail.stetson.edu>
 <20010212032050.4648.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20010212095650.00d70760@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010215140625.00b69e00@pop.mindspring.com>

At 03:18 PM 2/14/01 -0800, Marc MERLIN wrote:
><snip>
>There is a better option.
>Since the  python.org folks run  exim 3.21, they  could stick this
>in their exim.conf:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>sender_verify_hosts_callback = /etc/mail/badsendinghosts:*
>sender_verify_callback_domains = /etc/mail/baddomains:*
># Wait up to 90s for the remote mail server to answer
>sender_verify_callback_timeout = 90s
>
># Refuse messages with bad headers
>headers_sender_verify = true
>headers_check_syntax = true
>headers_checks_fail = true
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
><snip>

Marc,
I forwarded your spam solution to Dave Cinege. He suggested I post this
to mailman-users. I hope someone finds this information useful.


Fwd: Re: [offlist] [MAILING LIST] New aggressive spam controls
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:56:13 -0500
>From: Dave Cinege <dcinege at psychosis.com>
>To: Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
>Subject: Re: [offlist] [MAILING LIST] New aggressive spam controls
>
>Mike Noyes wrote:
> > 
> > Dave,
> > I'm catching up with the mailman-users list traffic, and I noticed
> > this post from Mark MERLIN. Is this similar to what you're doing?
>
>Thanks for passing that along. I'm doing one of those checks. I'll 
>look at the other ones he suggests.
>
>THe primary thing I'm doign is running a system filter. So far it is work VERY
>well. I've only had one peice of 'hong kong' spam reach me,
>and I just modified that check to help.
>
>You may want to pass this along to the MM list. What I have commented
>out is what proved to catch valid mail.
>
># Exim filter
>if      ($h_subject: is "FREE"
>         or $h_subject: matches "\\^FREE .*"
>         or $h_subject: matches ".* FREE\\$"
>         or $h_subject: contains " FREE "
>         or $h_subject: contains "F R E E"
>         or $h_subject: contains "MILLION"
>         or $h_subject: contains "FOR ONLY \\$"
>         or $h_subject: contains "GUARANTEED"
>         or $h_subject: contains "INSTANTLY"
>         or $h_subject: contains "CALL NOW"
>         or $h_subject: contains "ABSOULTELY"
>         or $h_subject: contains "MONEY"
>         or $h_subject: contains "MAKE UP TO"
>         or $h_subject: contains "E-Mail Addresses"
>         or $h_subject: contains "increase sales"
>         or $h_subject: matches ".*[67] Figures.*"
>         or $h_subject: contains "Responding To Your Request!"   
>         or $h_subject: contains "Make the right decision"
>         or $h_subject: contains "Fortunes Made"
>         or $h_subject: contains "Wealth"        
>         or $h_subject: contains "hardcore"
>         or $h_subject: contains "win a "
>#       or $h_subject: matches ".*[!? ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9]*\\$"
>         or $h_subject: matches ".*[!?.][ ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9]\\$"
>         or $h_subject: matches ".*[!?.][ ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]\\$"
>         or $h_subject: matches ".*[!?.][ ]*[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]\\$"        
>         or $h_subject: contains "\\$\\$"
>         or $h_subject: contains "\\$ \\$"       
>      or $h_subject: matches ".*[??????????????????????????????].*"
>         or $h_subject: contains "MLM")
>         and not error_message
>         and not $h_X-SPAM: contains "Probable SPAM"
>         and not $h_to: contains "postmaster at psychosis.com"
>         and not $sender_address_domain is "psychosis.com"
>then
>         headers add "X-SPAM: Probable SPAM - Bad Subject:"
>         unseen deliver postmaster at psychosis.com errors_to postmaster at psychosis.com
>         fail text "This message looks like spam to me.\n    If this filter is in error
>please mail 'postmaster at psychosis.com'"
>endif
>
>
>if      ($h_subject: contains "Here you have, ;o)")
>         and not error_message
>         and not $h_X-SPAM: contains "Probable SPAM"
>         and not $h_to: contains "postmaster at psychosis.com"
>         and not $sender_address_domain is "psychosis.com"
>then
>         headers add "X-SPAM: Probable SPAM - Virus!"
>         unseen deliver postmaster at psychosis.com errors_to postmaster at psychosis.com
>         fail text "**IMPORTANT!!!**  **IMPORTANT!!!**  **IMPORTANT!!!** \n    This
>message appears to contain a virus!\n    It was probably sent from your system
>without your knowledge.\n    Please check your system immediately.\n    If this
>filter is in error please mail 'postmaster at psychosis.com'"
>endif
>
>if      ($h_precedence: is "junk"
>#       or $h_to: is ""
>         or $h_to: is "<Undisclosed Recipients>"
>         or $h_from: is "")
>         and not error_message
>         and not $h_X-SPAM: contains "Probable SPAM"
>         and not $h_to: contains "postmaster at psychosis.com"
>         and not $sender_address_domain is "psychosis.com"
>then
>         headers add "X-SPAM: Probable SPAM - Bad To: or From: or type 'Junk'"
>         unseen deliver postmaster at psychosis.com errors_to postmaster at psychosis.com
>         fail text "This message looks like spam to me.\n    If this filter is in error
>please mail 'postmaster at psychosis.com'"
>endif
>
>
>finish
>
>
>
>-- 
>"Nobody will ever be safe until the last cop is dead."
>                 NH Rep. Tom Alciere - (My new Hero) 

--
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 16 00:16:29 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:16:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Held Message for "implicit address"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102151022370.29435-100000@notrump.whiteoaks.com>
Message-ID: <3A8C634D.3B73419A@west.sun.com>

No, "implicit" means "someone Bcc'ed the list" (i.e. the list address doesn't
appear in To: or Cc:).

The simple answer is to change that setting.  The more-complex answer, if that's
not the case, is to change the Alias setting.  The even-more-complex answer is
"perhaps someone sent it to a name that was case-different"; Mailman doesn't
handle that well.

Morris Jones wrote:
> 
> Perhaps you have an alias for your group name that's different from what
> mailman thinks the list is named.
> 
> Look on the "Privacy Options" page for "Alias names which qualify as
> explicit to or cc destination names for this list."
> 
> Best regards,
> Mojo
> 
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, HarryStyron wrote:
> 
> > What does "implicit address" mean in the administrative hold message?
> >
> > I run a series of lists for different groups.  Most of them are set for
> > subscriber only posting.  At the moment my subscribers are complaining
> > that all of their traffic is held (and I'm complaining, too!) which it
> > is, with the above reason in the admin approval message.
> >
> > USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER=0 was set when Mailman was originally set up.  What
> > am I missing?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Harry Styron
> > hlstyron at wcrklaw.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> --
> Morris Jones         <*>
> San Rafael, CA
> mojo at whiteoaks.com
> http://www.whiteoaks.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 16 00:18:22 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:18:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org> <p05010406b6b1fe0a356c@[209.245.157.6]>
Message-ID: <3A8C63BE.FAFE1D67@west.sun.com>

> "again and again" sounds like a FAQ to me.

Right.  So let's add an entry to the FAQ:

Q: How do I remove the List-* headers from Mailman's mail?
A: You don't.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 16 00:23:44 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:23:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin interface "stalling" for some lists
References: <20010215110115.C20456@conectiva.com.br>
Message-ID: <3A8C6500.2AEB6946@west.sun.com>

Once you get one dead process that's left a lockfile around, all the rest of 
them are going to back up on that lockfile until it's removed.  You need to find
out why that first person is dying (or why the cgi script is dying when that
person accesses it).

The strace shows the 2-n'th processes' normal "try to get the lock, fail,
wait, try again" loop.

Andreas Hasenack wrote:
> 
> Hi, I checked the archives before and found two other users
> with the same problem, but sadly no answer. Maybe this time...
> 
> For a specific list, the admin interface just doesn't work. Either
> I get a 503 error or a timeout. A ps ax|grep python shows many
> processes on the server:
> 12994 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver ad
> 13022 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver ad
> 
> Everytime I click on the admin link for that list, a new process is spawned and
> stays there. Other lists work fine.
> 
> Apache's log shows:
> [Thu Feb 15 10:48:42 2001] [error] [client x.x.x.x] Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
> 
> This is for the client who got the 503 error. Afterwards, he just gets time outs
> (the document contained no data).
> 
> An strace of one of these processes:
> select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 580000}) = 0 (Timeout)
> link("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock.distro.conectiva.com.br.12994", "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
> stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", O_RDONLY) = 5
> fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> lseek(5, 0, SEEK_CUR)                   = 0
> fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4015d000
> _llseek(5, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)            = 0
> read(5, "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock."..., 4096) = 61
> read(5, "", 4096)                       = 0
> close(5)                                = 0
> munmap(0x4015d000, 4096)                = 0
> gettimeofday({982245161, 508158}, NULL) = 0
> stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {1, 561983}) = 0 (Timeout)
> link("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock.distro.conectiva.com.br.12994", "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
> stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", O_RDONLY) = 5
> fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> lseek(5, 0, SEEK_CUR)                   = 0
> fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4015d000
> _llseek(5, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)            = 0
> read(5, "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock."..., 4096) = 61
> read(5, "", 4096)                       = 0
> close(5)                                = 0
> munmap(0x4015d000, 4096)                = 0
> gettimeofday({982245163, 77289}, NULL)  = 0
> stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {0, 294377}) = 0 (Timeout)
> link("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock.distro.conectiva.com.br.12994", "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock") = -1 EEXIST (File exists)
> stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> open("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", O_RDONLY) = 5
> fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> lseek(5, 0, SEEK_CUR)                   = 0
> fstat(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x4015d000
> _llseek(5, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR)            = 0
> read(5, "/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock."..., 4096) = 61
> read(5, "", 4096)                       = 0
> close(5)                                = 0
> munmap(0x4015d000, 4096)                = 0
> gettimeofday({982245163, 377306}, NULL) = 0
> stat("/usr/lib/mailman/locks/lds.lock", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=61, ...}) = 0
> select(0, NULL, NULL, NULL, {1, 494235} <unfinished ...>
> 
> and it keeps looping.
> 
> So far, it seems that the problem starts when a specific client connects to the admin
> interface, he gets an immediate 503 problem and then no one else can connect to the
> admin interface of that list. Weird.
> 
> Error log in mailman shows nothing related.
> 
> Any clues?
> 
> Versions:
> mailman-2.0.1-1cl
> python-1.5.2-6cl
> apache-midgard-1.2.5-10
> 
> (this is apache 1.3.11 + midgard)
> 
> Other lists on the same server work fine. I removed this lds list and created
> it again, worked only for a short period of time.
> 
> BTW, "lds" is the first list created under mailman-2.0.1, the previous ones were
> created while the beta5 version was installed.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Thomas at travelhacker.com  Fri Feb 16 00:31:12 2001
From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas Speight)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:31:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header/Footer Solution needed
In-Reply-To: <E14TRmn-0002sr-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20010215152825.039fbe50@travelhacker.com>

I would like the header/footer to rotate with a different meesage each time 
a Digest is sent out.

Has anyone done a modification that allows this.

Thanks

Thomas




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb 16 00:41:08 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:41:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3A8C63BE.FAFE1D67@west.sun.com>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>
 <p05010406b6b1fe0a356c@[209.245.157.6]>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215152852.03da2f08@mail.atfantasy.com>

>Right.  So let's add an entry to the FAQ:
>
>Q: How do I remove the List-* headers from Mailman's mail?
>A: You don't.

It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes 
greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support.





From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb 16 00:42:37 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:42:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com> 
   of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:17:35 PST." <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com> 
References: <Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU> <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu>  <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com> 
Message-ID: <30741.982280557@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:17:35 -0800 
Ed Lazor <osmosis at atfantasy.com> wrote:

> As I mentioned last week, forcing mailing list admins to make
> their subscribers switch email clients or make modifications to
> their current email clients is unreasonable.

We have different definitions of "unreasonable".  I consider that
not requiring your members to such is not only unreasonable, but
foolhardy.  <shrug>  YMMV.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Feb 16 00:43:07 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:43:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215152852.03da2f08@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151542280.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Ed Lazor wrote:
> It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes
> greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support.

It's a sad state of affairs when you can't tell the difference between
addressing people's concerns and following their orders.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb 16 00:43:31 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:43:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com> 
   of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:42:49 PST." <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com> 
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215125849.03562ea0@mail.atfantasy.com> <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151241350.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o rg> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com>  <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com> 
Message-ID: <32399.982280611@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:42:49 -0800 
Ed Lazor <osmosis at atfantasy.com> wrote:

> How about adding something to the FAQ that describes what changes
> to make?

When can we expect your patch for the FAQ?

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb 16 00:47:52 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:47:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com> 
   of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:41:08 PST." <4.3.2.7.0.20010215152852.03da2f08@mail.atfantasy.com> 
References: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151340130.11653-100000@castro.queernet.org> <p05010406b6b1fe0a356c@[209.245.157.6]>  <4.3.2.7.0.20010215152852.03da2f08@mail.atfantasy.com> 
Message-ID: <7978.982280872@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:41:08 -0800 
Ed Lazor <osmosis at atfantasy.com> wrote:

> It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard
> becomes greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to
> support.

As always this is a question of audiences, and the perceived
definition of the desired or target audience by those who think they
are members of it, and by those who are attempting to serve that
audience.  The two can be extremely different, as they would appear
to be in this case.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb 16 01:06:40 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:06:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <30741.982280557@kanga.nu>
References: <Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>
 <Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU>
 <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215155917.0379d4e8@mail.atfantasy.com>

>We have different definitions of "unreasonable".  I consider that
>not requiring your members to such is not only unreasonable, but
>foolhardy.  <shrug>  YMMV.

Having different definitions is fine.  I respect your opinion.  I'm also 
glad I don't follow all of the proposed standards on the net and force 
people to adhere to them.  That would translate to a large amount of 
changes, many for proposals that would never become standard.

It's like a boss I had.  He felt certain java workstations were going to be 
the next big thing, so he forced the replacement of hundreds of 
workstations across the company with Sun workstations at over 11k per 
desktop and 25k per laptop.  The justification was that java workstations 
would be around and operational much longer than standard pcs and that we'd 
be in the "sweet spot" of technology.

Boy was he wrong.  End users hated sun workstations and java workstations 
faded from the spotlight.  He wasted a lot of money and lost his job in the 
process.

As you'd say, him forcing proposed standards before they became actual 
standards was foolhardy.

-Ed




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Fri Feb 16 01:26:36 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:26:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bounce questions
Message-ID: <200102160024.QAA13501@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Two questions:
> 
> 1.	Whats the difference between a "first" and a "first fresh" in the bounce
> log?

I looked for "first fresh" in the Python source and found this comment:

                # There's been enough posts since last bounce that we're
                # restarting.  (Might should keep track of who goes stale
                # how often.)

so I'm guessing it's "there was a bounce record, but then we got
a bunch more posts without bounces, so we're resetting this particular
bouncer and starting again".
 
> 2.	And how do I clear the bounce stats for a list??

The stuff is stored in the list item itself, in an attribute
called bounce_info; you could use withlist to hack a little Python
snippet, like:

python -i bin/withlist -l <listname>	<<< load list with lock
m.bounce_info 		<<< display current bounce information (for fun)
m.bounce_info = {}	<<< delete it
m.Save()		<<< save the change to the list
^D			<<< quit python, unlock the list

See the comments at the head of bin/withlist for more info.




From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Fri Feb 16 01:28:26 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:28:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
Message-ID: <200102160026.QAA13689@utopia.west.sun.com>

> >Right.  So let's add an entry to the FAQ:
> >
> >Q: How do I remove the List-* headers from Mailman's mail?
> >A: You don't.
> 
> It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes 
> greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support.

Ed, you are free to modify Open Source software.  It is the opinion
of the authors, and of many, that the current non-configurable 
behavior serves the "concerns of the people it's supposed to support"
in the best way possible.




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb 16 01:29:52 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:29:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com> 
   of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:06:40 PST." <4.3.2.7.0.20010215155917.0379d4e8@mail.atfantasy.com> 
References: <Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com> <Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU> <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>  <4.3.2.7.0.20010215155917.0379d4e8@mail.atfantasy.com> 
Message-ID: <17562.982283392@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:06:40 -0800 
Ed Lazor <osmosis at atfantasy.com> wrote:

>> We have different definitions of "unreasonable".  I consider that
>> not requiring your members to such is not only unreasonable, but
>> foolhardy.  <shrug> YMMV.

> Having different definitions is fine.  I respect your opinion.
> I'm also glad I don't follow all of the proposed standards on the
> net and force people to adhere to them.  That would translate to a
> large amount of changes, many for proposals that would never
> become standard.

The bit you are missing is that RFC 2369
(http://www.pasteur.fr/cgi-bin/mfs/01/23xx/2369) is on the standards
track, is widely adopted and fairly well supported by other tools
outside of Mailman.  This is no new flash in the pan -- its over two
years old now.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Feb 16 01:32:00 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:32:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <200102160026.QAA13689@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <B6B1B4FF.4A6E%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On 2/15/01 4:28 PM, "Dan Mick" <dmick at utopia.west.sun.com> wrote:

>> It's a sad state of affairs when the value of a law or standard becomes
>> greater than the concerns of the people it's supposed to support.
> 
> Ed, you are free to modify Open Source software.

Heck, I'll go further. It's a sad state of affairs when someone not involved
in the project thinks they know better than the people who are expert in all
this and demand the right to tell them what to do.

You're not only free ot modify open source software, you're free to use
someone else's software if you don't like how this stuff is being handled.
But whatever you choose to do, I'd suggest you stop telling the experts how
to do their job, until you learn enough about the nissue you're complaining
about to know why we're doing this in the first place.

Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's worth anything.



-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome <http://www.chuqui.com>
[<chuqui at plaidworks.com> = <me at chuqui.com> = <chuq at apple.com>]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

How about never?  Is never good for you?





From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb 16 02:15:19 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:15:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: <32399.982280611@kanga.nu>
References: <Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215125849.03562ea0@mail.atfantasy.com>
 <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151241350.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o rg>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010215161255.050a1e70@mail.atfantasy.com>

>When can we expect your patch for the FAQ?

I sent out a full listing of the changes I made to remove the headers last 
week.  If someone else would like to create a patch, that would be great, 
because I don't know how to.  This is one of the reasons why I was hoping 
to appeal to people on the list.  Another reason was the certainty that the 
developers of mailman would have a much better idea of which headers to 
make optional or not.

Don't worry about it tho.  I'm getting enough personal hate mail over this 
that I don't care any more.  If I ever need help with my mailman 
installation, I'm screwed.  All of it over the fact that I believe in FREEDOM.

That's right.  It's about freedom.  Others would suggest it's about forcing 
others to do what you want, because you know what's better for them in the 
long run.  These same people bring my ability as an admin into question and 
suggest those who can't deal with the interim discomfort are "overly 
sensitive".  I respect your opinion, but you're wrong.  If you're going to 
challenge me to look at long-term solutions, then I challenge you in 
return.  Look.  We have the potential of providing long-term solutions with 
the flexibility of addressing short-term and long-term concerns.  In other 
words, we can support the standard and make it as easy as flipping a switch 
when people are ready to use the new features it provides.

What you do now is up to you.  In the meanwhile, I haven't once tried to 
attack anyone directly, but I have been.  Please stop attacking me, 
especially when it comes to my computer network.  You've basically told me 
to accept it and shut up.  Well, obviously, I can't accept someone taking 
my freedom away, but I'll certainly shut up, because I can't afford having 
someone hack into my system and cause havoc over what we've discussed in 
the mailing list.

-Ed




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb 16 03:48:06 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:48:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com> 
   of "Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:15:19 PST." <4.3.2.7.0.20010215161255.050a1e70@mail.atfantasy.com> 
References: <Message from Ed Lazor <osmosis@atfantasy.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215125849.03562ea0@mail.atfantasy.com> <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102151241350.11653-100000@castro.queernet.o rg> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215123613.023fd328@mail.atfantasy.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215134128.032700d0@mail.atfantasy.com>  <4.3.2.7.0.20010215161255.050a1e70@mail.atfantasy.com> 
Message-ID: <30270.982291686@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:15:19 -0800 
Ed Lazor <osmosis at atfantasy.com> wrote:

> All of it over the fact that I believe in FREEDOM.

At no point has your's or other's freedom been constrained or
curtailed.  You and everyone else remain just as free as you ever
were to edit the sources to make Mailman behave in any manner you
may choose.  Similarly you remain just as free as you ever were to
use your MUAs of choice with mailman lists.  This is a fundamental
definition and behaviour of Open Source.

> That's right.  It's about freedom.  

No, it is about your wish to enforce a choice on the mailman
developers which is in direct violation of both their stated
preferences and concept of technical correctness.  If you truly
consider this configuration option to be that important then you
should, quite correctly, fork Mailman and start your own
distribution version of Mailman which presents that option.

Again, this is a fundamental definition and behaviour of Open
Source.

> Others would suggest it's about forcing others to do what you
> want, because you know what's better for them in the long run.

Its about choice and obligation, and the fact that they are not the
same thing, especially when viewed by different people.

> In other words, we can support the standard and make it as easy as
> flipping a switch when people are ready to use the new features it
> provides.

Instead we consider that by supporting a standard which is on the
standards track and which is both viewed as beneficial and Good Idea
we are encouraging the wide spread adoption and support of that RFC.
Conversely, we consider that by providing an option to turn off
support for that RFC we may potentially slow the rate of adoption of
RFC 2369 due to the fact that there would be little to know impetus
to change -- which would be a Bad Thing.

> In the meanwhile, I haven't once tried to attack anyone directly,
> but I have been.  

This is regretable.  Unfortunately stupidity is not unique to any
nicely isolatable population.

-- 
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--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jerrya at jerrya.net  Fri Feb 16 07:02:40 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:02:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: using swish-e searching with mailman lists
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKOJJJELOAJJMNCNHKEKOCGAA.jack@valko.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102152358320.2696-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Jack Valko wrote:

> 
> Is this worth reworking for Mailman 2?
> 
> Jack

I think the only change would be a new diff against HyperArch.py.

I have followed your instructions and (think I) have it working on my
site. But I noticed swish-e is s l o w to index my archives. Have you or
anyone been able to get swish++ doing the same thing? I don't see a quick
cgi available for swish++. (Yes, I'm mostly lazy, but also don't have much
time to write something, especially if it already exists.)

Thanks!


> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Valko [mailto:jack at valko.org]
> Sent: 27 August, 2000 00:56
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: using swish-e searching with mailman lists
> 
> 
> 
> I've created a HOWTO on including SWISH-E searching into list archives.
> It's available at http://www.valko.org/mailmanswish-e/.  The changes are
> rolled into my 1.1 installation, and I'll upgrade it to 2.0 as soon as it
> comes out of beta.
> 
> Drop me a line if you have comments or questions,
> 
> J
> 
> 
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From sasmith at tpg.com.au  Fri Feb 16 09:27:02 2001
From: sasmith at tpg.com.au (Shirley Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:27:02 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] account
Message-ID: <000f01c097f2$3da558a0$751f3acb@oemcomputer>

I wish to know the details of my last account
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From craig at bsu-hog.org  Fri Feb 16 15:42:13 2001
From: craig at bsu-hog.org (Craig McPherson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:42:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Copying lists with Mailman
Message-ID: <E14Tm5N-0004Wc-00@bsu-hog.org>

I need to set up about 25 mailing lists that are all going to be 
identical to each other except for name, description, and member list.

What would be the most efficient way to go about doing this?

Thanks for any suggestions.



From miner at lis.fsu.edu  Fri Feb 16 16:31:22 2001
From: miner at lis.fsu.edu (David Miner)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:31:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010216103118.01795560@mailer.fsu.edu>

I use mailman to manage about 20 lists.  I only have two (really one) wish.
 In both add_members and remove_members have an option to search ALL lists
and remove the individual from them, rather than one at a time.

Thanks for all of your hard work.  It has eased mine greatly.  Now I can
let others manage the lists while I keep the box up and running.  It works
great with FreeBSD 4.2.

David
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From tim at maths.tcd.ie  Fri Feb 16 16:53:36 2001
From: tim at maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:53:36 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using XML with mailman
Message-ID: <20010216155336.A71343@walton.maths.tcd.ie>

I wonder if anyone has experience of using XML
to keep info, including names and email addresses, for mailman?

I find that for long lists it is quite difficult to keep track
of who exactly the people on the list are, just from their email addresses.

-- 
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From alessio at albourne.com  Fri Feb 16 17:18:51 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:18:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Copying lists with Mailman
References: <E14Tm5N-0004Wc-00@bsu-hog.org>
Message-ID: <3A8D52EB.52F4876D@albourne.com>

Craig McPherson wrote:

> I need to set up about 25 mailing lists that are all going to be
> identical to each other except for name, description, and member list.

Create a basic list with all configurations. Once you're done
/home/mailman/bin/config_list -o filename basiclist

create newslist
and 'import' configurations with
/home/mailman/bin/config_list -i filename newlist

Then change what's needed.

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From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Feb 16 18:03:18 2001
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:03:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
Message-ID: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>

There are probably lots of people out there who would like to
get rid of the stupid headers. But unlike Ed Lazor, they are not
willing to take the crap you have been throwing at him.

None of my lists are subscription lists they are information
lists where my boss and the other administrators are sending
information to a preset list of users. The headers are stupid
and confusing, there is no reason for them on these lists.

After I saw all the bashing Ed has taken I emailed him about
it and got the information directly on how the modify the
CookHeaders.py file and clean out all that junk.

I would much rather you the developers would pull your collective
heads back on to a plane where the rest of us exist and create an
option that allows us to list by list have the headers or remove
them. There are some lists that I am creating now that could use
the headers, but since I had to hack the code to remove them, they
are gone.

If you do not want to be friendly and helpful that is great we
will just continue to hack the code to make it work the way it
needs to under out conditions.

I do disagree with Ed it is not a matter of freedom, it is a matter of
respect, and some of you having not shown any respect for Ed and his
opinions. He started out being very respectful of you and he had been
very considerate until some of you started getting nasty about him
requesting for something constructive changes be made that would help
him and other users. However some of you have decided that your view
of mailman and how it works is some sacred dogma, and any changes that
might upset your sacred cow are stupid and you should belittle and
attack the person making the suggestions. He has never called any of
you names or attacked you but several of you have made it a policy to
belittle and attack every post he has made.

This is the worst group I have ever seen when it comes to responding
to someone's reasonable request. Most Linux and Open Source Developers
I have communicated with and worked with respect the user and take
their comments as possible recommendations.

I will probably never post to this list again, but I was feed up with
the crap some of you were feeding to Ed and I just want you to know
his opinions are shared by others.

-- 
/---------------------------------------------------------
| Tom Hillson                 Computer Services Manager
| hillson at iastate.edu         College of Agriculture
| http://www.ag.iastate.edu   Iowa State University
| (515) 294-1543 phone        B2 Curtiss Hall
| (515) 294-1349 fax          Ames, IA   50011
>---------------------------------------------------------
|"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"
\---------------------------------------------------------



From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb 16 18:30:56 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:30:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
In-Reply-To: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010216092235.0367aa08@mail.atfantasy.com>

>I do disagree with Ed it is not a matter of freedom, it is a matter of
>respect, and some of you having not shown any respect for Ed and his
>opinions. He started out being very respectful of you and he had been
>very considerate until some of you started getting nasty about him
>requesting for something constructive changes be made that would help
>him and other users.

First off, thanks Tom.  I appreciate your message.

In retrospect, my plea for freedom sounds corny.  It's cool that you
disagree - that's your freedom ;) hehehe  Seriously tho, I do think I
started off with some good ideas, but the discussion quickly got way
out of hand.  I apologize for having offended anyone, because that's
furthest from what I was trying to accomplish.  Anyways, let's put
the topic on the back-burner, help those who ask for it, and drink
lots of Mt. Dew ;)

-Ed




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Feb 16 18:19:37 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:49:37 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010216103118.01795560@mailer.fsu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102162248270.644-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 16, 2001 at 10:31, David Miner wrote:

>I use mailman to manage about 20 lists.  I only have two (really one) wish.
> In both add_members and remove_members have an option to search ALL lists
>and remove the individual from them, rather than one at a time.

How about a script that will run list_lists, and call (add|remove)_members
foreach[0] list?


[0] I do Perl.

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From dan at ssc.com  Fri Feb 16 18:34:05 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:34:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
In-Reply-To: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>; from hillson@iastate.edu on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 11:03:18AM -0600
References: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
Message-ID: <20010216093405.K10088@ssc.com>

Jeez.  Time for the asbestos suits.

Mr. Hillson, Ed, and others should realize that honey catches more
flies than vinegar.  And that the majority of Mailman developers
aren't being paid for this work.  Don't try to fire volunteers.
They're hard to find.

A question to Mr. Hillson and others, though.  If you're just 
doing announcement lists.  Why bother with Mailman?  A simple alias 
list under any reasonable MTA should be more than sufficient to 
the job.   Then you don't get _any_ headers from the list
server.

On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 11:03:18AM -0600, Thomas Hillson wrote:
> There are probably lots of people out there who would like to
> get rid of the stupid headers. But unlike Ed Lazor, they are not
> willing to take the crap you have been throwing at him.
> 
> None of my lists are subscription lists they are information
> lists where my boss and the other administrators are sending
> information to a preset list of users. The headers are stupid
> and confusing, there is no reason for them on these lists.
> 
> After I saw all the bashing Ed has taken I emailed him about
> it and got the information directly on how the modify the
> CookHeaders.py file and clean out all that junk.
> 
> I would much rather you the developers would pull your collective
> heads back on to a plane where the rest of us exist and create an
> option that allows us to list by list have the headers or remove
> them. There are some lists that I am creating now that could use
> the headers, but since I had to hack the code to remove them, they
> are gone.
> 
> If you do not want to be friendly and helpful that is great we
> will just continue to hack the code to make it work the way it
> needs to under out conditions.
> 
> I do disagree with Ed it is not a matter of freedom, it is a matter of
> respect, and some of you having not shown any respect for Ed and his
> opinions. He started out being very respectful of you and he had been
> very considerate until some of you started getting nasty about him
> requesting for something constructive changes be made that would help
> him and other users. However some of you have decided that your view
> of mailman and how it works is some sacred dogma, and any changes that
> might upset your sacred cow are stupid and you should belittle and
> attack the person making the suggestions. He has never called any of
> you names or attacked you but several of you have made it a policy to
> belittle and attack every post he has made.
> 
> This is the worst group I have ever seen when it comes to responding
> to someone's reasonable request. Most Linux and Open Source Developers
> I have communicated with and worked with respect the user and take
> their comments as possible recommendations.
> 
> I will probably never post to this list again, but I was feed up with
> the crap some of you were feeding to Ed and I just want you to know
> his opinions are shared by others.
> 
> -- 
> /---------------------------------------------------------
> | Tom Hillson                 Computer Services Manager
> | hillson at iastate.edu         College of Agriculture
> | http://www.ag.iastate.edu   Iowa State University
> | (515) 294-1543 phone        B2 Curtiss Hall
> | (515) 294-1349 fax          Ames, IA   50011
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time"
> \---------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From ashley at pcraft.com  Fri Feb 16 19:03:08 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:03:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd behaviour with ownership
Message-ID: <3A8D6B5B.9349CB97@pcraft.com>

    I run several lists on a server and every once in a while when I
check on the directory where mailman resides, I see that some of the
lists have their config.db and request.db owned by the Apache daemon,
while others have theirs owned by mailman.

list_1, all files owned mailman.mailman, EXCEPT:
-rw-rw----   1 httpd    mailman      4922 Feb 16 08:35 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 httpd    mailman      4922 Feb 16 08:34 config.db.last

list_2, all files owner mailman.mailman, EXCEPT:
-rw-rw-r--   1 httpd    mailman         2 Feb 15 17:00 request.db

list_3, all files owned mailman.mailman, INCLUDING:
-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      2898 Feb 15 17:00 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      2898 Feb 15 12:00 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         2 Feb 15 17:00 request.db


    Mailman never complains, and things seem to work fine.  But then,
there are times where it blows up while doing the checkdbs crontab.
What's even more baffling is that sometimes when the checkdbs command
fails, the files are all owned by mailman.mailman group, and the only
way to get it going again is to chown it httpd.mailman, and this only
for one list, the other ones don't cause a problem even though they're
owned mailman.mailman.

    I repeat, this ONLY happens with SOME lists, not all of them.

    All the lists were created the same exact way, and the web daemon
has not bee changed, recompiled, or anything.  Neither has mailman.
Everything works, except for that weirdness.

    Can anyone shed some light on this?

    Info:
      SGI Indy running IRIX 6.5.8m
      Mailman v2.0    (UID.GID: mailman.mailman)
      Apache v1.3.14  (UID.GID: httpd.httpd)
      Python v2.0     (UID.GID: root.sys)

    AMK4

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From peter-lists at hutnick.com  Fri Feb 16 19:07:47 2001
From: peter-lists at hutnick.com (Peter Hutnick)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:07:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
In-Reply-To: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
References: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
Message-ID: <1060.216.171.26.216.982346867.squirrel@hutnick.com>

Let me start this by saying that I am not a developer, I don't know
any of the developers, and I have no personal interest in this whole
thing.

I am sure that there are people on this list who's methods of personal
interaction are distasteful to some others on the list.  I think that
this has been used as a smokescreen to cloud the technical issues.

Just because someone "attacks" you personally does not mean that they
are wrong, but it does, however mean that you probably won't listen to
them.

> There are probably lots of people out there who would like to
> get rid of the stupid headers. But unlike Ed Lazor, they are not
> willing to take the crap you have been throwing at him.

I think that your first line there should have been "There are
probably lots of people out there who would like to get rid of the
usefull headers."

I don't think that a lot of people who are uninformed about the
techical issues involved wanting something obligates the developers to
code it up.

This was said previously, and I echo it here: If you really believe
that they are wrong, then you should fork.

> This is the worst group I have ever seen when it comes to
> responding to someone's reasonable request.

I think it is clear that the people who are being asked to code this
DON'T think it is a reasonable request.

Again feel free to modify your copy.  Or fork if you are so sure this
is the right thing to do.





From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Fri Feb 16 19:22:33 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:22:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
In-Reply-To: <20010216093405.K10088@ssc.com>
References: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
 <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010216101728.036b5ef0@mail.atfantasy.com>

>Mr. Hillson, Ed, and others should realize that honey catches more
>flies than vinegar.  And that the majority of Mailman developers
>aren't being paid for this work.  Don't try to fire volunteers.
>They're hard to find.

Trust me.  I certainly don't want to fire anyone.  I also tried to
suppress my anger from being attacked by dolloping as much
honey on my words as possible.  In fact, I'm even willing to
pour some of my Mt Dew on them, if that will help.

>A question to Mr. Hillson and others, though.  If you're just
>doing announcement lists.  Why bother with Mailman?  A simple alias
>list under any reasonable MTA should be more than sufficient to
>the job.   Then you don't get _any_ headers from the list
>server.

I'm not just running announcement lists, but I think I may have
an idea on this.  I believe people use Mailman for ease of use.  In
the case of announcement lists, it provides easy administration,
easily viewable archives, and easy subscribe / unsubscribe.  A
majority of this is due to the web interface that's available.  Others
don't provide this, do they?

-Ed




From dan at ssc.com  Fri Feb 16 19:40:06 2001
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:40:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010216101728.036b5ef0@mail.atfantasy.com>; from osmosis@atfantasy.com on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:22:33AM -0800
References: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]> <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]> <20010216093405.K10088@ssc.com> <4.3.2.7.0.20010216101728.036b5ef0@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <20010216104006.B10739@ssc.com>

On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 10:22:33AM -0800, Ed Lazor wrote:
> I'm not just running announcement lists, but I think I may have
> an idea on this.  I believe people use Mailman for ease of use.  In
> the case of announcement lists, it provides easy administration,
> easily viewable archives, and easy subscribe / unsubscribe.  A
> majority of this is due to the web interface that's available.  Others
> don't provide this, do they?

Not that I'm aware of.  But don't take my word for it, I only
use Majordomo and Mailman.  The latter provides a pretty nice web-based
UI for subscribers.  Though it's easy to do simple subscribe
and unsubscribe pages for any email-driven list server, such
as Majordomo.

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From donw at examen.com  Fri Feb 16 20:05:09 2001
From: donw at examen.com (Don Werve)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:05:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman seems to be dropping ALL mail...
Message-ID: <3A8D79E5.CD3EE5D@examen.com>

New to the list, and I come bearing questions! *grin*

I recently finished setting up Mailman for a small, non-crucial,
inter-office mailing list (a when-does-the-coffee-lady-get-here type of
thing).  Everything works fine via the web interface, and I can send
mail to the host it is running on (a Solaris 7 box; syslog shows the
mail as arriving)...but then the mail just dissapears.

No bounce or error message -- and no reply from Mailman.  The aliases
are set up correctly (the syslog entries show the messages as being
piped to Mailman), and there are no errors noted in Mailman's own error
log.

Any ideas whatsoever?  I shall happily supply any other needed
details...

-- 
Don Werve <donw at examen.com>
Junior Unix Administrator



From hillson at iastate.edu  Fri Feb 16 20:17:26 2001
From: hillson at iastate.edu (Thomas Hillson)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:17:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
In-Reply-To: <20010216093405.K10088@ssc.com>
References: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
 <20010216093405.K10088@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <p05010414b6b3290d6e06@[129.186.242.1]>

>Jeez.  Time for the asbestos suits.

This was not a fire storm I started but I got irritated at.

>Mr. Hillson, Ed, and others should realize that honey catches more
>flies than vinegar.  And that the majority of Mailman developers
>aren't being paid for this work.  Don't try to fire volunteers.
>They're hard to find.

I do not want to fire them, I want the people who are responsible
to respond in a responsible manner. The comments sent to Ed were
very irritating and that stimulated me to fire back. I do development
work and if I had time I would volunteer to get involved here. I
like Mailman, it is simple and easy to use, but I see a few hundred
items on the wish list and see a need for help, but then I see
comments like the ones sent to Ed on this list, and I go why would
I want to help these guys.

>A question to Mr. Hillson and others, though.  If you're just
>doing announcement lists.  Why bother with Mailman?  A simple alias
>list under any reasonable MTA should be more than sufficient to
>the job.   Then you don't get _any_ headers from the list
>server.

I use a List Manager, because then I do not have to update 25+
users address books every time a new person is added to or leaves
the lists. It is easier than updating the sendmail aliases on
the server every time there is a change. Mailman is a great program
but I modified it to fit my needs and will continue to do so.

Tom
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From mark at chaos.x-philes.com  Fri Feb 16 20:20:43 2001
From: mark at chaos.x-philes.com (Mark Carroll)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:20:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Making private archives work privately
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102161413030.18801-100000@niagara.nonet>

I have a mailing list for which I said the archive should be private.

We have a mailing list with a public archive where the link that is given
is http://foo.com/pipermail/listname/ and that works fine. (/pipermail/ is
an alias to /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/.)

That form of URL doesn't give the archive for the private list, of course.
The general information page for the private list gives a link to the
archives as http://foo.com/mailman/private/listname/ which didn't work at
all (error 404).

I'm using apache, so I tried adding,

	Alias /mailman/private/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/

...to srm.conf, but of course that makes the archives visible to
everybody. What should I do to get mailman to try authenticating the
viewer? (This is mailman 1.1, apache 1.3.9.13 under Linux kernel 2.2.15.)

Thanks,
        Mark




From kambiz at colltech.com  Fri Feb 16 20:49:57 2001
From: kambiz at colltech.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade question...2.0b4 --> 2.0.1
Message-ID: <3A8D8465.41546786@collectivetech.com>

Email is working just fine, but the archives are going to the wrong location
(the location of the previous installation).  2.0b4 was compiled to use
/usr/share/mailman while the new installation is using /var/mailman.  When I
create a new list, the correct archive directories are created under
/var/mailman/archive/private/ and the web pages are generated.  However, when
I send a message to a list already existing, the archives are sent to the old
paths.  One caveat is that I did not recreate the lists; I simply tarred the
/usr/share/mailman/lists/ and /usr/share/mailman/archive/ directories and
moved them to the new location.

Any ideas on how to fix this?

Kambiz

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From donw at examen.com  Fri Feb 16 22:34:11 2001
From: donw at examen.com (Don Werve)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:34:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ok.  Next question.
Message-ID: <3A8D9CD3.EC50348D@examen.com>

Ok; looks like my first problem was more of a bug in Solaris cron (I
suppose deny-everything-including-root-by-default is a "feature", but
hey...)

Now, the mailing list seems to be working fine, except messages are sent
out sans "From:" header (making a reply rather difficult to do easily
from the mail client and a luser's point of view).

-- 
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Junior Unix Administrator
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Phone: Ext. 655



From jlundell at pobox.com  Fri Feb 16 22:37:40 2001
From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:37:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
In-Reply-To: <1060.216.171.26.216.982346867.squirrel@hutnick.com>
References: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
 <1060.216.171.26.216.982346867.squirrel@hutnick.com>
Message-ID: <p0501040eb6b31d76456c@[207.213.214.34]>

>Again feel free to modify your copy.  Or fork if you are so sure this
>is the right thing to do.

It's the nature of projects like this to get used in ways that the authors didn't exactly anticipate. Often these variations can be accommodated with simple options, which seems like a way better choice than a fork.

The headers issue seems like a pretty straightforward one. It's true that the stupid/useful headers are visually distracting, and especially on a  relatively high volume list I really don't need to see them many times a day. My own preference would be for a three-way option: in the headers, as now; moved to a sig; and turned off altogether. To my mind this kind of flexibility makes Mailman better.
-- 
/Jonathan Lundell.



From markb at textmatters.com  Fri Feb 16 23:30:20 2001
From: markb at textmatters.com (Mark Barratt)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain text only?
Message-ID: <3A8DA9FC.AD0C78EC@textmatters.com>

I'm a new Mailman user, and a pretty non-expert Linux operator, so
Mailman is great - not half the problems I had trying to persuade
Majordomo to work (I'm sure it's a fine product in the right hands).

So here's my problem:

My users want to have plain text messages - no attachments, no html
formatting, no 'visiting cards' and the like. But some of them don't
know how to switch off formatting and cards. A few forget and send
attachments.

Can Mailman throw away all that stuff and let plain text through?

If not, is there another way of achieving the same end?

>"Peter Hutnick" <peter-lists at hutnick.com> wrote
>
>It might be better just to have your MTA strip attachmnets on incoming 
>messages to the list, before Mailman ever sees them.

This sounds like good advice, but it's not very meaningful to me,
unfortunately. I assume MTA is sendmail...?

Thanks for any help you can offer

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Text Matters
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email markb at textmatters.com
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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 16 23:17:13 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:17:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
References: <p0501040eb6b2fe877079@[129.186.242.1]>
Message-ID: <3A8DA6E9.EB1623F8@west.sun.com>

> None of my lists are subscription lists they are information
> lists where my boss and the other administrators are sending
> information to a preset list of users. The headers are stupid
> and confusing, there is no reason for them on these lists.

Why don't you also get similar complaints about the Received: headers?



From mark at chaos.x-philes.com  Fri Feb 16 23:23:50 2001
From: mark at chaos.x-philes.com (Mark Carroll)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:23:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain text only?
In-Reply-To: <3A8DA9FC.AD0C78EC@textmatters.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102161721160.18990-100000@niagara.nonet>

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Mark Barratt wrote:
> >"Peter Hutnick" <peter-lists at hutnick.com> wrote
(snip)
> >It might be better just to have your MTA strip attachmnets on incoming 
> >messages to the list, before Mailman ever sees them.
> 
> This sounds like good advice, but it's not very meaningful to me,
> unfortunately. I assume MTA is sendmail...?
(snip)

Yes. (-:  However, if you're a novice Linux operator, configuring sendmail
is quite a job - there are whole books about how to do it, and for good
reason.

Another thing you could do is replace in the /etc/aliases file the
references to /var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper with something else that
strips the attachments then pipes the data on to
/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper, passing it the command line options too.

-- Mark




From jerrya at jerrya.net  Sat Feb 17 00:37:53 2001
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:37:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: using swish-e searching with mailman lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102152358320.2696-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102161728040.8388-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Jerry Adlersfluegel wrote:

> I have followed your instructions and (think I) have it working on my
> site. But I noticed swish-e is s l o w to index my archives. Have you or
> anyone been able to get swish++ doing the same thing? I don't see a quick
> cgi available for swish++. (Yes, I'm mostly lazy, but also don't have much
> time to write something, especially if it already exists.)

Did I say slow? Expensive is what I really meant. I started indexing my
main list 20 hrs ago, and it's still running. This is on an Athlon 950 pc
with Linux. It's using nearly 400 MB of memory (ram & swap) and climbing.
This is an archive with just under 45,000 messages. 

Wrong tool for the job, I'd guess. :-) Time to try another indexer. Not
sure I want to deal with swish++'s attitude though...

Anyone have a recipe for a different local search engine w/mailman?

Thanks!

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Feb 17 00:52:03 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:52:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] plain text only? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Mark Barratt <markb@textmatters.com> 
   of "Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:20 GMT." <3A8DA9FC.AD0C78EC@textmatters.com> 
References: <3A8DA9FC.AD0C78EC@textmatters.com> 
Message-ID: <15455.982367523@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:30:20 +0000 
Mark Barratt <markb at textmatters.com> wrote:

> My users want to have plain text messages - no attachments, no
> html formatting, no 'visiting cards' and the like. But some of
> them don't know how to switch off formatting and cards. A few
> forget and send attachments.

> Can Mailman throw away all that stuff and let plain text through?

Mailman doesn't do this, but it can be compibed with tools that do.

> If not, is there another way of achieving the same end?

deMIME and MIMEFilter are two tools commonly used for this.

-- 
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From nbalaraman_in at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 17 07:28:58 2001
From: nbalaraman_in at yahoo.com (bal ram)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:28:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error an configuring Mailman
Message-ID: <20010217062858.17107.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com>

while using ./configure command in user login it shows
error
./configure: ./config.log: Permission denied
./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
./configure: confdefs.h: Permission denied
creating cache ./config.cache
./configure: ./config.cache: Permission denied
checking for --with-python... ./configure: 5: Bad file
descriptor
no
checking for python... ./configure: 5: Bad file
descriptor
/usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... ./configure: 5: Bad
file descriptor
/usr/bin/python
checking Python version... ./configure: 5: Bad file
descriptor
./configure: conftest.py: Permission denied
/usr/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
configure: error:

***** /usr/bin/python is too old (or broken)
***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required   

I need help on this

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From bob at nleaudio.com  Sat Feb 17 18:57:27 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:57:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid Headers
References: <E14UAjV-0007yJ-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A8EBB87.D069F498@nleaudio.com>

I was just messing with a Lyris list, and note that they have a way in the admin interface to turn on/off "Friendly headers", which is the exact thing this discussion has been about.

Bob



From doug at lathi.net  Sat Feb 17 20:29:42 2001
From: doug at lathi.net (Doug Alcorn)
Date: 17 Feb 2001 14:29:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo?
In-Reply-To: "M. Robert Martin"'s message of "Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:36:18 -0600 (CST)"
References: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0102132129580.1366-100000@shamoo.2guyshosting.com>
Message-ID: <873ddd2jmh.fsf@home.lathi.net>

"M. Robert Martin" <rob at 2guyshosting.com> writes:

> i've been on majordomo lists that are horrendously slow, sometimes
> on the order of ten hours. they have since switched to mailman, and
> it seems to happen within 15 minutes now.

As a former majordomo administrator, I can attest to this.  I have a
moderately sized list of about 300 members.  My delivery time was well
over an hour.  The problem is that majordomo doesn't do any
threading.  It just sends the message with _all_ of the recipients to
your MTA.  Mailman, on the other hand, appears to split it up by TLDs
into four seperate messages: all address in .edu are in one message,
all .com in another, all .org, and all the remaining TLDs.  With just
this crude seperation, my list is now delivering in under 15 minutes.

My only complaints with Mailman are a) lack of support for fullnames
and b) lack of full control over headers.
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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Sun Feb 18 01:47:55 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:47:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error an configuring Mailman
References: <20010217062858.17107.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A8F1BBB.F6D844A4@west.sun.com>

Run configure in a directory you have permissions to write in.
That's what all those "permission denied" messages mean.


bal ram wrote:
> 
> while using ./configure command in user login it shows
> error
> ./configure: ./config.log: Permission denied
> ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
> ./configure: confdefs.h: Permission denied
> creating cache ./config.cache
> ./configure: ./config.cache: Permission denied
> checking for --with-python... ./configure: 5: Bad file
> descriptor
> no
> checking for python... ./configure: 5: Bad file
> descriptor
> /usr/bin/python
> checking Python interpreter... ./configure: 5: Bad
> file descriptor
> /usr/bin/python
> checking Python version... ./configure: 5: Bad file
> descriptor
> ./configure: conftest.py: Permission denied
> /usr/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
> cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
> configure: error:
> 
> ***** /usr/bin/python is too old (or broken)
> ***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required
> 
> I need help on this
> 
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From jthomas at portlandmedia.com  Sun Feb 18 03:44:44 2001
From: jthomas at portlandmedia.com (Jack Thomas)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 18:44:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error an configuring Mailman
References: <20010217062858.17107.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> <3A8F1BBB.F6D844A4@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <000501c09954$c0833220$9c86cacf@thathostingcompany.com>

You need to have write permissions, but I noticed you also seem to have an
older version of python installed.

Thus the error message:

> > ***** /usr/bin/python is too old (or broken)
> > ***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required

You might want to verify what version of python you have installed on your
system.

- Jack Thomas

jthomas at portlandmedia.com
http://www.portlandmedia.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" <dan.mick at west.sun.com>
To: <nbr at yahoo.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Error an configuring Mailman


> Run configure in a directory you have permissions to write in.
> That's what all those "permission denied" messages mean.
>
>
> bal ram wrote:
> >
> > while using ./configure command in user login it shows
> > error
> > ./configure: ./config.log: Permission denied
> > ./configure: 5: Bad file descriptor
> > ./configure: confdefs.h: Permission denied
> > creating cache ./config.cache
> > ./configure: ./config.cache: Permission denied
> > checking for --with-python... ./configure: 5: Bad file
> > descriptor
> > no
> > checking for python... ./configure: 5: Bad file
> > descriptor
> > /usr/bin/python
> > checking Python interpreter... ./configure: 5: Bad
> > file descriptor
> > /usr/bin/python
> > checking Python version... ./configure: 5: Bad file
> > descriptor
> > ./configure: conftest.py: Permission denied
> > /usr/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
> > cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
> > configure: error:
> >
> > ***** /usr/bin/python is too old (or broken)
> > ***** Python 1.5.2 or newer is required
> >
> > I need help on this
> >
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>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Sun Feb 18 08:18:13 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:18:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URLs in my top listinfo page are incorrect..?
Message-ID: <14991.30517.666552.162387@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

OK, I installed Mailman 2.0.1 on a Debian GNU/Linux box (I built it
myself, though, I didn't use a Debian package).

I configured my Apache 1.3.17 server to have a virtual host
list.my.domain.com, like this:

  <VirtualHost 100.10.10.100>
    Servername lists.my.domain.com
    DocumentRoot "/home/mailman/2.0.1"
    ServerAdmin psmith at lists.my.domain.com
    CustomLog /home/apache/var/logs/lists.my.domain.com.combined_log combined
    ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/2.0.1/cgi-bin/
    AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
    Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

    <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
       AllowOverride None
       Options FollowSymLinks
       Order allow,deny
       Allow from all
    </Directory>

    <Directory "/home/mailman/2.0.1/cgi-bin">
       AllowOverride None
       Options None
       Order allow,deny
       Allow from all
    </Directory>

  </VirtualHost>

Now, I can get to the homepage of my lists, which gives a URL of
<http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/somelist>, which seems
right.

I can also get to the pipermail archives; that all works fine.

However, all the links on the listinfo page to places like the roster,
the admin interface, and even the link on the bottom which is supposed
to point back to the listinfo page are broken.

Instead of pointing to <http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/roster/somelist>,
for example, the page points to <http://lists.my.domain.com/roster/somelist>
(note the missing "mailman/" in the path).

Needless to say, none of these links work.

When I view the source for the page the reason is obvious: there's one
too many "../"'s in the relative paths of the URLs.  For example, the
form button to the roster page is

  <FORM Method=POST ACTION="../../roster/somelist">

which is clearly wrong, both based on what it does and comparing it to
the source for other pages (such as the listinfo for this list :).  It
should just be:

  <FORM Method=POST ACTION="../roster/somelist">

Likewise, the link to the listinfo page is similarly wrong:

  <a href="../../listinfo/somelist">Somelist</a>

Help!  What could be causing this?  Where should I look?

I tried to follow the Python code but the calculation of this path,
starting in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py where FormatListListinfo() invokes
FormatFormStart() gets pretty deep, then I got down to
Mailman/Utils.py:ScriptURL() when I got pretty confused :-/.

Thanks for any pointers or tips...

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From neuner at futureweb.at  Sun Feb 18 10:41:03 2001
From: neuner at futureweb.at (Futureweb St. Johann, Patrick Bey-Neuner)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:41:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] other languages
Message-ID: <009d01c0998e$e912c0e0$cb00a8c0@obpbmobile>

hi,

is there a simple way to switch the language to anotherone, 
like one file i would have to translatr? I am looking to
change it to german language.

thanks
patrick 
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From khc at hansei.ac.kr  Sun Feb 18 19:21:38 2001
From: khc at hansei.ac.kr (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejI8cO1?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 03:21:38 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Question]    Mailman installation Problems
Message-ID: <014201c099d7$a23e8ac0$0f6cb2d3@GoodiNet>

Please, tell me the answer.
I use SunOS5.6 and run from the installation directory.

Error message 
--------------
</home/mailman> bin/check_perms
Could not import paths!

This probably means that you are trying to run check_perms from the source
directory.  You must run this from the installation directory instead.

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/dev/fd/3", line 38, in ?
    File "/dev/fd/3", line 38, in ?
ImportError: No module named paths

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From marauder at morepower.com  Sun Feb 18 21:45:25 2001
From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:45:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing *single* users from command line...
In-Reply-To: <E14UXD0-000796-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEGPEBAA.marauder@morepower.com>

Is there a way to add or remove a single user from a list via the command
line?  I've looked at the add_members and remove_members but they seem to
require a textfile list of user(s) to add or remove from a list.  I'd just
like to be able to add (or remove) one single user without an intermediary
step of having to create a textfile containing their email address...  like
"add_member listname email at address.com" "remove_member listname
email at address.com"

Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Mike <<<<<




From john at serion.co.nz  Sun Feb 18 23:17:21 2001
From: john at serion.co.nz (John Vorstermans)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:17:21 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
References: <Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU>
	 <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <3A9049F1.EE659A12@serion.co.nz>

Ed Lazor wrote:

> Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC?  If so, you can't call the
> MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't been finalized and approved.

Can anyone tell me what the RFC is that mentioned the headers.  I am
getting hasseled by some users and if I can point them to the source it
is likely to make my life a little more peaceful.

Thanks
John



From jlundell at pobox.com  Sun Feb 18 23:51:57 2001
From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:51:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3A9049F1.EE659A12@serion.co.nz>
References: <Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU>	
 <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu>
 <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>
 <3A9049F1.EE659A12@serion.co.nz>
Message-ID: <p05010404b6b5ff849f2a@[207.213.214.34]>

John Vorstermans <john at serion.co.nz> wrote:

>Ed Lazor wrote:
>
>> Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC?  If so, you can't call the
>> MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't been finalized and approved.
>
>Can anyone tell me what the RFC is that mentioned the headers.  I am
>getting hasseled by some users and if I can point them to the source it
>is likely to make my life a little more peaceful.

I've been assuming that we've been talking about RFC2369 and the List-* headers. But I gather that's not been a universal assumption, so if there are others, let's hear about them. (And there's nothing required of an MUA in 2369; just some suggestions on how a mail client might treat them. Is there a client that doesn anything but display the headers, possibly clickable?)
-- 
/Jonathan Lundell.



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Sun Feb 18 23:55:10 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:55:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <3A9049F1.EE659A12@serion.co.nz>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.32.0102181453440.19615-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, John Vorstermans wrote:
> Ed Lazor wrote:
>
> > Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC?  If so, you can't call the
> > MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't been finalized and approved.
>
> Can anyone tell me what the RFC is that mentioned the headers.  I am
> getting hasseled by some users and if I can point them to the source it
> is likely to make my life a little more peaceful.

RFC2369, "The Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail List Commands and
their Transport through Message Header Fields", Neufeld & Baer.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From barbara.bodner.johnson at gallaudet.edu  Mon Feb 19 00:45:46 2001
From: barbara.bodner.johnson at gallaudet.edu (Barbara Bodner-Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:45:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I would like to unsubscribe
Message-ID: <3A905EAA.5F27E6BD@gallaudet.edu>

Hello, I would like to unsubscribe to deafdigest. Thank you very much.




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Feb 19 01:16:48 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:16:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from John Vorstermans <john@serion.co.nz> 
   of "Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:17:21 +1300." <3A9049F1.EE659A12@serion.co.nz> 
References: <Message from "Ellen J. Cramer" <elly@CS.Cornell.EDU> <706871B20764CD449DB0E8E3D81C4D43010EAA1C@opus.cs.cornell.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20010215110805.0389b1c8@mail.atfantasy.com>  <3A9049F1.EE659A12@serion.co.nz> 
Message-ID: <11095.982541808@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:17:21 +1300 
John Vorstermans <john at serion.co.nz> wrote:

> Ed Lazor wrote:
>> Aren't these headers part of the "proposed" RFC?  If so, you
>> can't call the MUA non-RFC compliant, since the proposal hasn't
>> been finalized and approved.

> Can anyone tell me what the RFC is that mentioned the headers.  I
> am getting hasseled by some users and if I can point them to the
> source it is likely to make my life a little more peaceful.

RFC 2369:

  http://www.pasteur.fr/cgi-bin/mfs/01/23xx/2369

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From robo at antileague.com  Mon Feb 19 13:28:39 2001
From: robo at antileague.com (RoB-O)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:28:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron errors
Message-ID: <01021904312000.12020@league4l.listserv.ath.cx>

Hello all:
i have mailman 2.0.1 running... never had a problem before till now...
I got 2 emails from crom daemon with the below messages
i am new to linux and would apprciate any help fixing this issue!
Thx much
Rob


/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner'



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Feb 19 02:43:14 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:13:14 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail headers with Mailman
In-Reply-To: <p05010404b6b5ff849f2a@[207.213.214.34]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102190711460.4780-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 18, 2001 at 14:51, Jonathan Lundell wrote:

>required of an MUA in 2369; just some suggestions on how a mail
>client might treat them. Is there a client that doesn anything but
>display the headers, possibly clickable?)

Pine. At least since 4.21 (current is 4.33). You get a link at the
bottom, saying 

    [ Note: This message contains email list management information ]

Activating it takes you to a page with appropriate functions derived
from the headers.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
You are lost in a twisty maze of little standards, all different





From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Feb 19 02:41:40 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 07:11:40 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing *single* users from command
 line...
In-Reply-To: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEGPEBAA.marauder@morepower.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102190710010.4780-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 18, 2001 at 13:45, Mike Cisar wrote:

>Is there a way to add or remove a single user from a list via the command
>line?  I've looked at the add_members and remove_members but they seem to
>require a textfile list of user(s) to add or remove from a list.  I'd just
>like to be able to add (or remove) one single user without an intermediary
>step of having to create a textfile containing their email address...  like
>"add_member listname email at address.com" "remove_member listname
>email at address.com"

>From the add_members command line help:

    -n <file>
        A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one
        address per line.  This list of people become non-digest
        members.  If <file> is `-', read addresses from stdin.

So you want something like:

echo "email at example.com"|  add_members -n - listname

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
Who stole my tagline?




From johnm at ic5.net  Mon Feb 19 05:06:47 2001
From: johnm at ic5.net (John McGarrigle)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:06:47 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd mailman problem.
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGKELNDAAA.johnm@ic5.net>

Hey,

I don't know if any of you guys have ever seen this problem before but I'll
give it a shot anyway.

Basically, Mailman has toped sending mail. It's posted to the wrapper ok but
after that.. nothing. In connection with this, we can access the admin
interface to all lists, but cannot tend to any pending administrative
requests.

Could there problems be related?

There mailing lists are kinda mission-critical so i would appreciate any
help I can get on solving these problems.

Thanks!!

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----




From johnm at ic5.net  Mon Feb 19 05:10:01 2001
From: johnm at ic5.net (John McGarrigle)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:10:01 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd mailman problem.
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGKELNDAAA.johnm@ic5.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGAELODAAA.johnm@ic5.net>

Don't suppose this python core dump in the mailman dir could have anything
to do with it?

Core was generated by `python'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libutil.so.3...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libm.so.2...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.4...done.
Reading symbols from /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1...done.
#0  0x28136183 in closedir () from /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4

Thanks,

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of John McGarrigle
Sent: 19 February 2001 4:07 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd mailman problem.


Hey,

I don't know if any of you guys have ever seen this problem before but I'll
give it a shot anyway.

Basically, Mailman has toped sending mail. It's posted to the wrapper ok but
after that.. nothing. In connection with this, we can access the admin
interface to all lists, but cannot tend to any pending administrative
requests.

Could there problems be related?

There mailing lists are kinda mission-critical so i would appreciate any
help I can get on solving these problems.

Thanks!!

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From o0o_ami at livedoor.com  Mon Feb 19 05:39:54 2001
From: o0o_ami at livedoor.com (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJU4hISQqJFIkNSJ2GyhC?= (@_@))
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 23:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJGQkQyRbITwhISQqJFIkNSQhIUEidhsoQg==?=
Message-ID: <E14Ui78-0002Je-00@mail.python.org>

????????????????????
????????????????????

??????????????????
??????????????????(^^)?
????????????????????
????????????????????
???????????????????
???????????????????
???????????????????
????????????????????
????????????????????
???????????????????????
???????????????????
???????????????????
???????????????

????????(^^/~

 
 http://www.smileforme.net/jack/


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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Feb 19 06:02:01 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 21:02:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd mailman problem. 
In-Reply-To: Message from "John McGarrigle" <johnm@ic5.net> 
   of "Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:06:47 GMT." <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGKELNDAAA.johnm@ic5.net> 
References: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGKELNDAAA.johnm@ic5.net> 
Message-ID: <8163.982558921@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:06:47 -0000 
John McGarrigle <johnm at ic5.net> wrote:

> Basically, Mailman has toped sending mail. It's posted to the
> wrapper ok but after that.. nothing. In connection with this, we
> can access the admin interface to all lists, but cannot tend to
> any pending administrative requests.

Remove all the lock files in ~/locks and then try running qrunner
manually.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From johnm at ic5.net  Mon Feb 19 06:41:59 2001
From: johnm at ic5.net (John McGarrigle)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:41:59 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd mailman problem. 
In-Reply-To: <8163.982558921@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGMEMEDAAA.johnm@ic5.net>

OK,

I need to change my problem slightly :)

Basically, i have a nice new mailman install, all set up and working
perfectly. It's blank, no lists, no nothing. And, I have a tarball of the
old mailman install, in all it's messed up glory :)

Now, to save me manually re-adding all 1000 or so list subscribers, is there
any way I can just copy the database files over from the old install
straight over to the new one, without getting "Oops! We hit a bug!" :)

I tried copying the *obvious* files over, but no joy.

Again, if someone could maybe help me out here... let's just say I'll be
verrryyyy happy :)

Thanks,

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----


-----Original Message-----
From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu]
Sent: 19 February 2001 5:02 AM
To: John McGarrigle
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd mailman problem.


On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:06:47 -0000
John McGarrigle <johnm at ic5.net> wrote:

> Basically, Mailman has toped sending mail. It's posted to the
> wrapper ok but after that.. nothing. In connection with this, we
> can access the admin interface to all lists, but cannot tend to
> any pending administrative requests.

Remove all the lock files in ~/locks and then try running qrunner
manually.

--
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--




From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Feb 19 07:26:03 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:26:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *UN*restricted posting not working
In-Reply-To: <XFMail.20010214221811.andy@nachoz.com>; from andy@nachoz.com on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:18:11PM -0500
References: <XFMail.20010214221811.andy@nachoz.com>
Message-ID: <20010218222603.F29779@moremagic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 10:18:11PM -0500, Andy Harrison wrote:
> I have a list that I want people to be able to post on who are not members of
> the list.  I have it set correctly, but it still holds posts.  I'll show you a
> screen shot if you want, but suffice it to say I've checked the config
> repeatedly:
> 
> Approve by admin  NO
> Restrict to list members NO
> Must have list named in destination NO

Let me guess: you have some Email in "can post without being moderated".
If you do, the list will be restricted implicitely, it's a bug in the UI.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From jambrose at zen.uq.edu.au  Mon Feb 19 08:12:39 2001
From: jambrose at zen.uq.edu.au (Johannes Ambrose)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:12:39 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the Welcome page
Message-ID: <3A90C767.49A9F767@zen.uq.edu.au>

Hi,
I'd like to change the Welcome page and not include the hostname (this
is for political reasons). Is there a simple way to do this?

regards




From lists at jtr.net.au  Mon Feb 19 09:37:54 2001
From: lists at jtr.net.au (JTR Computers - Lists)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:07:54 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not delivering.
Message-ID: <200102191907540200.105CAD70@office-smtp.jtr.net.au>

Hi All,

we have just installed Mailman, and I'm pretty sure we followed instructions to the letter.

The admin and list info functions work fine via the Web Interface.

However the software doesn't deliver any mail to anyone.

Exerpt from logs.

SMTP log

Feb 19 19:09:02 2001 (16657) All recipients refused: host not found
Feb 19 19:09:02 2001 (16657) smtp for 5 recips, completed in 0.144 seconds

SMTP-FAILURE log

Feb 19 19:10:05 2001 (16666) -1 user at domain.com (ignore)
Feb 19 19:10:05 2001 (16666) -1 another_user at domain2.com (ignore)

System is RH 6.2 running Sendmail which isn't reporting any errors in it's logs.

Some of the archives of this list seem to suggest it may be that we haven't setup the correct crontab entries, however crontab.in is listed for user mailman which I think is all we need.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Joseph





From jcrey at uma.es  Mon Feb 19 09:41:33 2001
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 09:41:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] other languages
References: <009d01c0998e$e912c0e0$cb00a8c0@obpbmobile>
Message-ID: <3A90DC3D.FF348826@uma.es>

> "Futureweb St. Johann, Patrick Bey-Neuner" wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> is there a simple way to switch the language to anotherone,
> like one file i would have to translatr? I am looking to
> change it to german language.
> 
Look at mailman-i18n archives.
Cheers
-- 
                          ___
                         / F \
                        [[[]]]]
                        ( O O )
   #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
   |    Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es)      |
   |      Servicio Central de inform?tica         |
   |       Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a         |
   #----------------------------------------------#
   #      reynini at 22x28.org   pa los globeros :-) #
   #----------------------------------------------#



From yann.golanski at info-com.com  Mon Feb 19 12:00:48 2001
From: yann.golanski at info-com.com (Yann Golanski)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:00:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting .qmail to mailman.
Message-ID: <20010219110048.A15077@info-com.com>

Currently we have many lists under the qmail alias system. For those who
don't know, it is similar to a /etc/aliases file, but with one file per
alias -- don't ask, I didn't write write it and cann't install Exim. 
I want to move all of them to mailman. Since mailman requires that you
create 5 .qmail-list-whatever files, it gets ugly when you have more
than 200 mailing lists -- which I have. Fastforward does help, and I am
using it with great success. The only problem is now to convert all the
.qmail files to mailman lists.

Does anyone know of any script to do that? Anyone else has done
something similar -- either with Qmail or with /etc/aliases? 

-- 
Yann Golanski					  www.info-com.com
                   Developer for Info Com (UK)



From lists at jtr.net.au  Mon Feb 19 12:20:12 2001
From: lists at jtr.net.au (JTR Computers - Lists)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:50:12 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fixed
Message-ID: <200102192150120600.10F14BBF@office-smtp.jtr.net.au>

Re our last message.

Problem solved. Needed to configure localhost in the config file.

Joseph

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From tony at prima-artists.com  Mon Feb 19 15:44:51 2001
From: tony at prima-artists.com (Tony MacDonnell)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:44:51 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started? Simple Mailman application
Message-ID: <005e01c09a82$e4d898c0$6464a8c0@guest>

Mailman is provided by my hosting sevice. I am new to managing mail lists but I would like to persue it as an additional amrketing medium

Initially I only want to send out a news letter periodically.(to subscribers who simply subscribe once and do not post to the list and who do not need a password.

I have read some of the posts in this Mailman list and do not understandand any of them.- it is all a bit frightening. !!

Please could someone point me at some document or URL whre there might be a'mailman for beginners' or suggest a simple way to set up the list.??

Thanks

Tony MacDonnell

http://www.prima-artists.com
tony at prima-artists.com


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From sacha at radix.nl  Mon Feb 19 17:00:05 2001
From: sacha at radix.nl (Sacha Ligthert)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:00:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribeing via E-mail
Message-ID: <4EA04A79935CD4118E0600A0C93005FC278235@nt1.radix.nl>

Hi List,

I'm not subscribed to this list ATM so please CC me any reply.

I'm trying to subscribe to a mailinglist hosted with Mailman via E-mail.
My question is: Is this possible?

Pointers and RTFM's are welcome.

Greetings,
	Sacha Ligthert
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From alessio at albourne.com  Mon Feb 19 17:17:09 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:17:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribeing via E-mail
References: <4EA04A79935CD4118E0600A0C93005FC278235@nt1.radix.nl>
Message-ID: <3A914705.4CD5A685@albourne.com>

> I'm trying to subscribe to a mailinglist hosted with Mailman via
> E-mail.

'subscribe' in the body of the message sent to
LIST-request at THE.HOST

-- 
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Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

"It is more complicated than you think"
		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From robo at antileague.com  Tue Feb 20 18:20:15 2001
From: robo at antileague.com (RoB-O)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:20:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help please...
Message-ID: <01022009212900.16821@league4l.listserv.ath.cx>


Hello all:
i have mailman 2.0.1 running... never had a problem before till now...
I got 2 emails from crom daemon with the below messages
i am new to linux and would apprciate any help fixing this issue!
Thx much
Rob


/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner'




From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Feb 19 19:03:23 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 13:03:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad archive count - BUG
References: <E14UkBy-0002FV-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A915FEB.A87B7E@nleaudio.com>

Hello,

In one of my recent lists using Mailman 2.01, AND EVEN ON THIS LIST I see a strange behavior of the daily digests.  Here's a copy from today's digest:

> Subject: 
                        Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1043 - 18 msgs

> Today's Topics:
> 
>    1. [Question]    Mailman installation Problems (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejI8cO1?=)
>    2. Adding and removing *single* users from command line... (Mike Cisar)
>    3. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (John Vorstermans)
>    4. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (Jonathan Lundell)
>    5. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (Roger B.A. Klorese)
>    6. I would like to unsubscribe (Barbara Bodner-Johnson)
>    7. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (J C Lawrence)
>    8. cron errors (RoB-O)
>    9. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (Satya)
>   10. Re: Adding and removing *single* users from command
>        line... (Satya)
>   11. Wierd mailman problem. (John McGarrigle)
>   12. RE: Wierd mailman problem. (John McGarrigle)
>   13. =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJGQkQyRbITwhISQqJFIkNSQhIUEidhsoQg==?= (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJU4hISQqJFIkNSJ2GyhC?= (@_@))
>   14. Re: Wierd mailman problem. (J C Lawrence)
>   15. RE: Wierd mailman problem. (John McGarrigle)
>   16. Re: *UN*restricted posting not working (Marc MERLIN)
>   17. Changing the Welcome page (Johannes Ambrose)

Notice how the subject line says there are 18 messages, yet it only indexes (and shows) 17 messages.

The same thing is happening with my lists - the subject line shows a higher count (sometimes more than 1) than the actual number of messages.

The older versions of Mailman didn't do this, so this must be a new "feature".  

Bob



From jlundell at pobox.com  Mon Feb 19 19:47:26 2001
From: jlundell at pobox.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:47:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad archive count - BUG
In-Reply-To: <3A915FEB.A87B7E@nleaudio.com>
References: <E14UkBy-0002FV-00@mail.python.org>
 <3A915FEB.A87B7E@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <p05010410b6b71a71560d@[207.213.214.34]>

>In one of my recent lists using Mailman 2.01, AND EVEN ON THIS LIST I see a strange behavior of the daily digests.  Here's a copy from today's digest:

Just a guess, but maybe it's the fact that #10 below is two lines (#13 might look like two lines, but it's one long line). I don't get the digest, but maybe someone could verify the correlation.

> > Subject:
>                        Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1043 - 18 msgs
>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. [Question]    Mailman installation Problems (=?ks_c_5601-1987?B?sejI8cO1?=)
>>    2. Adding and removing *single* users from command line... (Mike Cisar)
>>    3. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (John Vorstermans)
>>    4. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (Jonathan Lundell)
>>    5. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (Roger B.A. Klorese)
>>    6. I would like to unsubscribe (Barbara Bodner-Johnson)
>>    7. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (J C Lawrence)
>>    8. cron errors (RoB-O)
>>    9. Re: Mail headers with Mailman (Satya)
>>   10. Re: Adding and removing *single* users from command
>>        line... (Satya)
>>   11. Wierd mailman problem. (John McGarrigle)
>>   12. RE: Wierd mailman problem. (John McGarrigle)
>>   13. =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJGQkQyRbITwhISQqJFIkNSQhIUEidhsoQg==?= (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJU4hISQqJFIkNSJ2GyhC?= (@_@))
>>   14. Re: Wierd mailman problem. (J C Lawrence)
>>   15. RE: Wierd mailman problem. (John McGarrigle)
>>   16. Re: *UN*restricted posting not working (Marc MERLIN)
>>   17. Changing the Welcome page (Johannes Ambrose)
>
>Notice how the subject line says there are 18 messages, yet it only indexes (and shows) 17 messages.
>
>The same thing is happening with my lists - the subject line shows a higher count (sometimes more than 1) than the actual number of messages.
>
>The older versions of Mailman didn't do this, so this must be a new "feature". 
>
>Bob
>
-- 
/Jonathan Lundell.



From alex at phred.org  Mon Feb 19 20:21:29 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:21:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing *single* users from command line...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102190710010.4780-100000@hal9k.myip.org>
Message-ID: <015c01c09aa9$293fee20$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

From: "Satya" <satyap at satya.virtualave.net>
> On Feb 18, 2001 at 13:45, Mike Cisar wrote:
> >Is there a way to add or remove a single user from a list via the
command
> >line?  I've looked at the add_members and remove_members but they
seem to
> >require a textfile list of user(s) to add or remove from a list.  I'd
just
> >like to be able to add (or remove) one single user without an
intermediary
> >step of having to create a textfile containing their email address...
like
> >"add_member listname email at address.com" "remove_member listname
> >email at address.com"
>
> From the add_members command line help:
>
>     -n <file>
>         A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one
>         address per line.  This list of people become non-digest
>         members.  If <file> is `-', read addresses from stdin.
>
> So you want something like:
>
> echo "email at example.com"|  add_members -n - listname

"remove_members list member at domain.com" works too, even though it isn't
documented.

alex




From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Mon Feb 19 23:05:01 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 17:05:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URLs in my top listinfo page are incorrect..?
In-Reply-To: <14991.30517.666552.162387@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <14991.30517.666552.162387@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <14993.39053.646976.946197@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% Regarding [Mailman-Users] URLs in my top listinfo page are incorrect..?; I wrote:

Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller? :)

If no one has any better ideas I guess I'll start adding prints to the
code to try to figure it out--since I know little about Python this
could be quite an adventure...

Any pointers to where to start, what to look at, how to do more
effective debugging--or even an answer! :)--would be greatly
appreciated.

> From: "Paul D. Smith" <pausmith at nortelnetworks.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:18:13 -0500
>
> OK, I installed Mailman 2.0.1 on a Debian GNU/Linux box (I built it
> myself, though, I didn't use a Debian package).
>
> I configured my Apache 1.3.17 server to have a virtual host
> list.my.domain.com, like this:
>
>   <VirtualHost 100.10.10.100>
>     Servername lists.my.domain.com
>     DocumentRoot "/home/mailman/2.0.1"
>     ServerAdmin psmith at lists.my.domain.com
>     CustomLog /home/apache/var/logs/lists.my.domain.com.combined_log combined
>     ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/2.0.1/cgi-bin/
>     AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
>     Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
>
>     <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
>        AllowOverride None
>        Options FollowSymLinks
>        Order allow,deny
>        Allow from all
>     </Directory>
>
>     <Directory "/home/mailman/2.0.1/cgi-bin">
>        AllowOverride None
>        Options None
>        Order allow,deny
>        Allow from all
>     </Directory>
>
>   </VirtualHost>
>
> Now, I can get to the homepage of my lists, which gives a URL of
> <http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/somelist>, which seems
> right.
>
> I can also get to the pipermail archives; that all works fine.
>
> However, all the links on the listinfo page to places like the roster,
> the admin interface, and even the link on the bottom which is supposed
> to point back to the listinfo page are broken.
>
> Instead of pointing to <http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/roster/somelist>,
> for example, the page points to <http://lists.my.domain.com/roster/somelist>
> (note the missing "mailman/" in the path).
>
> Needless to say, none of these links work.
>
> When I view the source for the page the reason is obvious: there's one
> too many "../"'s in the relative paths of the URLs.  For example, the
> form button to the roster page is
>
>   <FORM Method=POST ACTION="../../roster/somelist">
>
> which is clearly wrong, both based on what it does and comparing it to
> the source for other pages (such as the listinfo for this list :).  It
> should just be:
>
>   <FORM Method=POST ACTION="../roster/somelist">
>
> Likewise, the link to the listinfo page is similarly wrong:
>
>   <a href="../../listinfo/somelist">Somelist</a>
>
> Help!  What could be causing this?  Where should I look?
>
> I tried to follow the Python code but the calculation of this path,
> starting in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py where FormatListListinfo() invokes
> FormatFormStart() gets pretty deep, then I got down to
> Mailman/Utils.py:ScriptURL() when I got pretty confused :-/.
>
> Thanks for any pointers or tips...

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From tabbott at systemsfusion.com  Mon Feb 19 23:46:26 2001
From: tabbott at systemsfusion.com (Tony Abbott)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URLs in my top listinfo page are incorrect..?
In-Reply-To: <14993.39053.646976.946197@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>; from pausmith@nortelnetworks.com on Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 05:05:01PM -0500
References: <14991.30517.666552.162387@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com> <14993.39053.646976.946197@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <20010219154626.T13811@saurus.dvr.dydx.net>

is your admin interface also broken? 
did you change the "Base URL" at the bottom of the General Options page
from http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/ to http://lists.my.domain.com/ ???

if your admin interface is broken (probably is) then you can fix it by
making a temp file with the following line:
web_page_url = 'http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/'
and run "$MAILMAN_HOME/bin/config_list -i /tmp/file_name somelist"

-t

On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 05:05:01PM -0500, Paul D. Smith wrote:
> %% Regarding [Mailman-Users] URLs in my top listinfo page are incorrect..?; I wrote:
> 
> Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller? :)
> 
> If no one has any better ideas I guess I'll start adding prints to the
> code to try to figure it out--since I know little about Python this
> could be quite an adventure...
> 
> Any pointers to where to start, what to look at, how to do more
> effective debugging--or even an answer! :)--would be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> > From: "Paul D. Smith" <pausmith at nortelnetworks.com>
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:18:13 -0500
> >
> > OK, I installed Mailman 2.0.1 on a Debian GNU/Linux box (I built it
> > myself, though, I didn't use a Debian package).
> >
> > I configured my Apache 1.3.17 server to have a virtual host
> > list.my.domain.com, like this:
> >
> >   <VirtualHost 100.10.10.100>
> >     Servername lists.my.domain.com
> >     DocumentRoot "/home/mailman/2.0.1"
> >     ServerAdmin psmith at lists.my.domain.com
> >     CustomLog /home/apache/var/logs/lists.my.domain.com.combined_log combined
> >     ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/2.0.1/cgi-bin/
> >     AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
> >     Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> >
> >     <Directory "/home/mailman/archives/public">
> >        AllowOverride None
> >        Options FollowSymLinks
> >        Order allow,deny
> >        Allow from all
> >     </Directory>
> >
> >     <Directory "/home/mailman/2.0.1/cgi-bin">
> >        AllowOverride None
> >        Options None
> >        Order allow,deny
> >        Allow from all
> >     </Directory>
> >
> >   </VirtualHost>
> >
> > Now, I can get to the homepage of my lists, which gives a URL of
> > <http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/listinfo/somelist>, which seems
> > right.
> >
> > I can also get to the pipermail archives; that all works fine.
> >
> > However, all the links on the listinfo page to places like the roster,
> > the admin interface, and even the link on the bottom which is supposed
> > to point back to the listinfo page are broken.
> >
> > Instead of pointing to <http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/roster/somelist>,
> > for example, the page points to <http://lists.my.domain.com/roster/somelist>
> > (note the missing "mailman/" in the path).
> >
> > Needless to say, none of these links work.
> >
> > When I view the source for the page the reason is obvious: there's one
> > too many "../"'s in the relative paths of the URLs.  For example, the
> > form button to the roster page is
> >
> >   <FORM Method=POST ACTION="../../roster/somelist">
> >
> > which is clearly wrong, both based on what it does and comparing it to
> > the source for other pages (such as the listinfo for this list :).  It
> > should just be:
> >
> >   <FORM Method=POST ACTION="../roster/somelist">
> >
> > Likewise, the link to the listinfo page is similarly wrong:
> >
> >   <a href="../../listinfo/somelist">Somelist</a>
> >
> > Help!  What could be causing this?  Where should I look?
> >
> > I tried to follow the Python code but the calculation of this path,
> > starting in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py where FormatListListinfo() invokes
> > FormatFormStart() gets pretty deep, then I got down to
> > Mailman/Utils.py:ScriptURL() when I got pretty confused :-/.
> >
> > Thanks for any pointers or tips...
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Paul D. Smith <psmith at baynetworks.com>    HASMAT--HA Software Methods & Tools
>  "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 

   Tony Abbott				tabbott at systemsfusion.com




From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Feb 20 00:03:51 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:03:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URLs in my top listinfo page are incorrect..?
In-Reply-To: <20010219154626.T13811@saurus.dvr.dydx.net>
References: <14991.30517.666552.162387@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<14993.39053.646976.946197@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<20010219154626.T13811@saurus.dvr.dydx.net>
Message-ID: <14993.42583.945132.405348@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% Tony Abbott <tabbott at systemsfusion.com> writes:

  ta> is your admin interface also broken? 

Yes :(

  ta> did you change the "Base URL" at the bottom of the General Options
  ta> page from http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/ to
  ta> http://lists.my.domain.com/ ???

No.  I've never been able to access these pages at all.

  ta> if your admin interface is broken (probably is) then you can fix it by
  ta> making a temp file with the following line:
  ta> web_page_url = 'http://lists.my.domain.com/mailman/'
  ta> and run "$MAILMAN_HOME/bin/config_list -i /tmp/file_name somelist"

This worked!  Now I can do see those pages.

Now I just have to figure out why the base URL was created incorrectly
in the first place...

Thanks!

-- 
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 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From jeme at brelin.net  Tue Feb 20 00:55:18 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:55:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] perms and upgrade and HELP!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102191548040.23385-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

I'm running Mailman 1.1 and I'd never had working archives.

I have two installations on the same machine (for easier customization and
virtual hosting) and the new one seems to be working perfectly...

But while I was setting up the new one and trying to repair the archives
on the old one, I ended up screwing up all the file ownerships in ~mailman
(/usr/local/mailman).

Also in the process, one lock file was deleted.

I ran check_perms -f and it no longer gives errors and I tried to make the
ownerships analogous to those in /usr/local/imc (the OTHER installation),
but I'm still getting the following cron errors:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory

-------------------------------------


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

=====================================

I have two questions:

1) Does anyone know how I can, in the short term, fix this problem and
make the mailman lists work again?

2) Would carefully upgrading to the current version help at all?
	a) are there tricks to multiple installations under the latest
release?
	b) If I've done heavy modification to my secondary install, will
that be recognized and accepted by the upgrade scripts if I upgrade both?

I think I'd like to avoid upgrading as the load on my systems is very low
and the features seem to work fine.

Thanks so much for any input.
J.
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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 03:02:53 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:02:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not delivering.
References: <200102191907540200.105CAD70@office-smtp.jtr.net.au>
Message-ID: <3A91D04D.2CDE8961@west.sun.com>

> SMTP log
> 
> Feb 19 19:09:02 2001 (16657) All recipients refused: host not found
> Feb 19 19:09:02 2001 (16657) smtp for 5 recips, completed in 0.144 seconds

This is clearly sendmail refusing the mail.  You need to find out why.
 
> SMTP-FAILURE log
> 
> Feb 19 19:10:05 2001 (16666) -1 user at domain.com (ignore)
> Feb 19 19:10:05 2001 (16666) -1 another_user at domain2.com (ignore)
> 
> System is RH 6.2 running Sendmail which isn't reporting any errors in it's logs.

Is its error-logging turned on?  It must be the culprit.

Sometimes I try strace/truss/ktrace on the running sendmail process to get to the
bottom of such problems.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 03:05:19 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:05:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding and removing *single* users from command 
 line...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102190710010.4780-100000@hal9k.myip.org> <015c01c09aa9$293fee20$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <3A91D0DF.9F84D450@west.sun.com>

> "remove_members list member at domain.com" works too, even though it isn't
> documented.

Sure does, and it's documented as much as any of remove_members is:

Usage:
    remove_members [options] listname [addr1 ...]



From kambiz at colltech.com  Tue Feb 20 04:37:01 2001
From: kambiz at colltech.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 22:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT: Something in message is breaking mailman!
Message-ID: <3A91E65D.E1697BA5@colltech.com>

We are running mailman-2.0.1 under Red Hat Linux 6.2.  Python is version
1.5.2.  For some reason that I can't figure the following message is
breaking qrunner and if ever such a message should end up in the qfiles
directory, ALL list processing comes to a stand still (why?!!).  It
would be nice if mailman would file "bad" messages that cause problems
into a different directory for future examination.  Anyhow, please
excuse the .tgz attachment (gzip compressed tar file containing a .msg
and a .db file).  Additionally, I have attached the error file from
~mailman/logs.  Something odd is going on in multipart.py and I don't
know python at all so I was hoping someone on the list can figure out
what's going on.  Maybe you can somehow reproduce the problem.  Thanks
for your attention.

Kambiz

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-------------- next part --------------
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243): Traceback (innermost last):
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      addrs = func(msg)
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py", line 62, in process
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      more = mfile.next()
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 121, in next
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      while self.readline(): pass
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 93, in readline
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      if marker == self.section_divider(sep):
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 157, in section_divider
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      return "--" + str
Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243): TypeError :  illegal argument type for built-in operation 
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253): Traceback (innermost last):
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      addrs = func(msg)
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py", line 62, in process
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      more = mfile.next()
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 121, in next
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      while self.readline(): pass
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 93, in readline
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      if marker == self.section_divider(sep):
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 157, in section_divider
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      return "--" + str
Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253): TypeError :  illegal argument type for built-in operation 
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256): Traceback (innermost last):
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      addrs = func(msg)
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py", line 62, in process
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      more = mfile.next()
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 121, in next
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      while self.readline(): pass
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 93, in readline
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      if marker == self.section_divider(sep):
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 157, in section_divider
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      return "--" + str
Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256): TypeError :  illegal argument type for built-in operation 

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From rob at f-body.org  Tue Feb 20 05:38:17 2001
From: rob at f-body.org (Robert Glover)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:38:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA
Message-ID: <005901c09af6$f2d71c70$df6e70ce@majikthise>

I'm new to this list and to Mailman... I'm converting from Majordomo.

I dug through the list archives looking for anything similar to my problem,
but nothing definitive.  It's really odd, and it's happening on two
machines.  One machine is running FreeBSD 3.3-Current, the other is running
FreeBSD 4.1-Release.  Both are running whatever versions of sendmail they
came with.

I installed Python 2.0, and then Mailman 2.0.1 according to the
instructions.  I created the lists and added people to them using the web
interface.  I initially did this one list at a time, testing each list to
ensure that it was getting email.

After about five or six lists, I stopped testing and just continued creating
lists and adding users.  When I was done with all of the lists (about two
dozen), I sent an announcement to all of the lists to tell everybody about
the new software.  But I never saw it appear.

Then I started digging around in the logs.  Here's what I found:

In the 'posts' log:

Feb 19 20:36:42 2001 (81288) post to ba-f-body from blkhawk303 at hotmail.com,
size=1017, 2 failures
Feb 19 20:42:03 2001 (81288) post to ba-f-body from beccruice at aol.com,
size=1476, 2 failures
Feb 19 20:48:21 2001 (81504) post to ba-f-body from rob at f-body.org,
size=590, 2 failures


In the 'smtp' log:

Feb 19 20:36:42 2001 (81288) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 320.628 seconds
Feb 19 20:42:03 2001 (81288) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 320.728 seconds
Feb 19 20:48:21 2001 (81504) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 320.716 seconds


In the 'smtp-failures' log:

Feb 19 20:42:03 2001 (81288) 450 jhliao at qpt.com (<jhliao at qpt.com>... Can not
check MX records for recipient host qpt.com)
Feb 19 20:42:03 2001 (81288) 450 rickt at lightside.com
(<rickt at lightside.com>... Can not check MX records for recipient host
lightside.com)
Feb 19 20:48:21 2001 (81504) 450 jhliao at qpt.com (<jhliao at qpt.com>... Can not
check MX records for recipient host qpt.com)
Feb 19 20:48:21 2001 (81504) 450 rickt at lightside.com
(<rickt at lightside.com>... Can not check MX records for recipient host
lightside.com)


In the 'errors' log:

Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 283, in ?
Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 195, in main
Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408):      lock.refresh()
Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408):   File
"/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408):      raise NotLockedError
Feb 16 18:13:21 2001 qrunner(22408): Mailman.LockFile . NotLockedError



I went into sendmail.cf and set the O DeliveryMode line to "defer" from
"background" as suggested in one of the FAQ pages, but that hasn't helped
anything.  I've been unable to find any other way to shut off reverse
lookups in sendmail.  I'm not even certain that sendmail is the problem.

At this point, I'm completely lost.  I've read everything I could find on
lists.org and saw no mention of any problems like this.  For SOME reason,
ALL messages are failing, even when I go back to only a single list.  I must
have done something to offend Mailman.

Ideas?  Any help is appreciated.

Thanks.

Rob





From kambiz at colltech.com  Tue Feb 20 06:11:31 2001
From: kambiz at colltech.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:11:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT: Something in message is breaking mailman!
References: <3A91E65D.E1697BA5@colltech.com>
Message-ID: <3A91FC83.9CC97DA1@colltech.com>

BTW, I tried upgrading to python-2.0 and that did not resolve the issue.
Now the log reads:

Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869): Traceback (most recent call last):
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      kids = main(lock)
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      keepqueued =
dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      if
BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      addrs = func(msg)
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py", line 62, in process
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      more = mfile.next()
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/usr/lib/python2.0/multifile.py", line 125, in next
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      while self.readline(): pass
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/usr/lib/python2.0/multifile.py", line 97, in readline
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      if marker ==
self.section_divider(sep):
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):   File
"/usr/lib/python2.0/multifile.py", line 161, in section_divider
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869):      return "--" + str
Feb 20 00:06:02 2001 qrunner(869): TypeError :  cannot add type "None"
to string

(sorry if the formatting got munged; I should use mutt or something as
netscape is really starting to bug me!)

Kambiz Aghaiepour wrote:
> 
> We are running mailman-2.0.1 under Red Hat Linux 6.2.  Python is version
> 1.5.2.  For some reason that I can't figure the following message is
> breaking qrunner and if ever such a message should end up in the qfiles
> directory, ALL list processing comes to a stand still (why?!!).  It
> would be nice if mailman would file "bad" messages that cause problems
> into a different directory for future examination.  Anyhow, please
> excuse the .tgz attachment (gzip compressed tar file containing a .msg
> and a .db file).  Additionally, I have attached the error file from
> ~mailman/logs.  Something odd is going on in multipart.py and I don't
> know python at all so I was hoping someone on the list can figure out
> what's going on.  Maybe you can somehow reproduce the problem.  Thanks
> for your attention.
> 
> Kambiz
> 
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> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243): Traceback (innermost last):
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      kids = main(lock)
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      addrs = func(msg)
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py", line 62, in process
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      more = mfile.next()
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 121, in next
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      while self.readline(): pass
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 93, in readline
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      if marker == self.section_divider(sep):
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 157, in section_divider
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243):      return "--" + str
> Feb 19 22:03:00 2001 qrunner(10243): TypeError :  illegal argument type for built-in operation
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253): Traceback (innermost last):
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      kids = main(lock)
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      addrs = func(msg)
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py", line 62, in process
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      more = mfile.next()
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 121, in next
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      while self.readline(): pass
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 93, in readline
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      if marker == self.section_divider(sep):
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 157, in section_divider
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253):      return "--" + str
> Feb 19 22:03:15 2001 qrunner(10253): TypeError :  illegal argument type for built-in operation
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256): Traceback (innermost last):
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 283, in ?
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      kids = main(lock)
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 59, in ScanMessages
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      addrs = func(msg)
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Netscape.py", line 62, in process
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      more = mfile.next()
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 121, in next
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      while self.readline(): pass
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 93, in readline
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      if marker == self.section_divider(sep):
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 157, in section_divider
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256):      return "--" + str
> Feb 19 22:03:22 2001 qrunner(10256): TypeError :  illegal argument type for built-in operation
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                 Name: cruft.tgz
>    cruft.tgz    Type: WinRAR archive (application/x-compressed)
>             Encoding: base64

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From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Feb 20 08:24:41 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:24:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next: newlist admin passwords not working?
Message-ID: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

OK, having solved my URL problem my next problem is this:

I run newlist to create a new list, like this:

  newlist funkylist psmith at my.domain.com ad694baaec72c9df

so that my initial list password is "ad694baaec72c9df" (this is actually
the md5 sum of some random data I have).

When I get my email that the list has been created, this is the password
it shows me.

But, when I go to the admin page and try to login using that password (I
cut/paste from Emacs to Netscape it so I know it's right), I always get
"Authentication failed".

I have to log in with the site password and change the list password
that way.

Is there some limitation or restriction on the length or contents of the
password, than I'm not following?

If not, how can I tell what might be wrong here; where should I look?
Where is the password kept (in the config.db)?  Is there any way I can
dump that info to a file to check it out?

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul D. Smith <psmith at baynetworks.com>    HASMAT--HA Software Methods & Tools
 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Feb 20 08:41:35 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next: newlist admin passwords not working?
In-Reply-To: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <14994.8111.406029.67122@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

Actually, I tested it with a very simple password like "foobar" and it
still fails.

Even if I let newlist ask me for the password rather than putting it on
the command line, it doesn't work.

It's odd because the site admin password does work, and also after I get
in and change the password once, then I can get in using that new
password just fine.

It's something that newlist is doing (or not doing) with the password
which is causing this problem.

Does that help anyone at all?

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Paul D. Smith <psmith at baynetworks.com>    HASMAT--HA Software Methods & Tools
 "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 09:20:20 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:20:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next: newlist admin passwords not working?
References: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com> <14994.8111.406029.67122@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <3A9228C4.1EAD493B@west.sun.com>


"Paul D. Smith" wrote:
> 
> Actually, I tested it with a very simple password like "foobar" and it
> still fails.
> 
> Even if I let newlist ask me for the password rather than putting it on
> the command line, it doesn't work.
> 
> It's odd because the site admin password does work, and also after I get
> in and change the password once, then I can get in using that new
> password just fine.
> 
> It's something that newlist is doing (or not doing) with the password
> which is causing this problem.
> 
> Does that help anyone at all?

very strange.  I just tried a new list and the newly-created list password worked
just fine for me.  It was, in fact, "adminpw".



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 09:24:57 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:24:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman DOA
References: <005901c09af6$f2d71c70$df6e70ce@majikthise>
Message-ID: <3A9229D9.1CAF017D@west.sun.com>

> In the 'smtp' log:
> 
> Feb 19 20:36:42 2001 (81288) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 320.628 seconds
> Feb 19 20:42:03 2001 (81288) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 320.728 seconds
> Feb 19 20:48:21 2001 (81504) smtp for 2 recips, completed in 320.716 seconds
> 
> In the 'smtp-failures' log:
> 
> Feb 19 20:42:03 2001 (81288) 450 jhliao at qpt.com (<jhliao at qpt.com>... Can not
> check MX records for recipient host qpt.com)
> Feb 19 20:42:03 2001 (81288) 450 rickt at lightside.com
> (<rickt at lightside.com>... Can not check MX records for recipient host
> lightside.com)
> Feb 19 20:48:21 2001 (81504) 450 jhliao at qpt.com (<jhliao at qpt.com>... Can not
> check MX records for recipient host qpt.com)
> Feb 19 20:48:21 2001 (81504) 450 rickt at lightside.com
> (<rickt at lightside.com>... Can not check MX records for recipient host
> lightside.com)

This sure looks like DNS problems to me.



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Feb 20 09:40:15 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:40:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next: newlist admin passwords not working?
In-Reply-To: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>; from pausmith@nortelnetworks.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 02:24:41AM -0500
References: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <20010220024015.A959@mallorn.com>

> When I get my email that the list has been created, this is the password
> it shows me.
> 
> But, when I go to the admin page and try to login using that password (I
> cut/paste from Emacs to Netscape it so I know it's right), I always get
> "Authentication failed".
> 
> I have to log in with the site password and change the list password
> that way.

Are you running the Web server on the same system as the email services?
I ran into some problems a while back where the Web server didn't have 
the Python crypt module installed, but the mail server did.  The upshot
was that Mailman used crypt() to create passwords on the mail server, 
but then couldn't authenticate against them on the Web server.  :)

What is USE_CRYPT set to in mm_cfg.py (or is it just the default)?

Chris



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Feb 20 09:49:30 2001
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:49:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next: newlist admin passwords not working?
In-Reply-To: <20010220024015.A959@mallorn.com>; from lindsey@mallorn.com on Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 02:40:15AM -0600
References: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com> <20010220024015.A959@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <20010220024930.A1121@mallorn.com>

> I ran into some problems a while back where the Web server didn't have 
> the Python crypt module installed, but the mail server did.  The upshot
> was that Mailman used crypt() to create passwords on the mail server, 
> but then couldn't authenticate against them on the Web server.  :)

Actually, that's not quite right.  Sorry.  :)  But it might still be
applicable.

The problem that I had was that both servers were running RedHat 4.2, which
had python sans the crypt module.  Even though USE_CRYPT was set to 1 in
mm_cfg.py, it wouldn't work since the module wasn't there.

Once I upgraded one of the servers to RedHat 6.2 (which did have the
crypt module) Mailman started trying to use crypt() against passwords
that had previously been generated without (because USE_CRYPT was set).

Changing USE_CRYPT to 0 solved the problem (and I personally feel that
this should be the default given the problems that this can cause).

Chris



From anyasc at guardian.co.uk  Tue Feb 20 14:10:47 2001
From: anyasc at guardian.co.uk (anyasc at guardian.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:10:47 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] previous version of Mailman
Message-ID: <802569F9.0048CCD2.00@ldnmta02.guardian.co.uk>



Hi,
Please can you give me advise on where to find previous version of
Mailman
Many Thanks.

Regards,
--
Anya Stojanovich Chand, MCSE,
Web Systems Support Specialist
Guardian Unlimited





From Sacha at radix.nl  Wed Feb 21 14:28:33 2001
From: Sacha at radix.nl (Sacha Ligthert)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:28:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Body Content
Message-ID: <3A93C281.46C6B492@radix.nl>

Hi List,

Sorry to bother you again with my inferior questions, Searching the
Documentation and browsing through the archives resulted into void. So I
feel I'm at your mercy again.

To subscribe it is possible to send an E-mail with in the body
"subscribe" to the right adres.
But Outlook has a nasty feature to send allong some extra content with
the body before the user-content.

For example: 

Command? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader doe...
Command? this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
Command? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09B24.EC2EEC80
Command? Content-Type: text/plain;
>>>>> 
>>>>> Too many errors encountered; the rest of the message is ignored:
>       charset="iso-8859-1"

<end example>

is there a way to filter this kind of content out?

Digging through the archives shown me tools like deMIME and other tools
(MIME*) Could these be an alternative.

Greetings & Thank you,
	Sacha Ligthert



From arnold at cabletron.com  Tue Feb 20 14:32:48 2001
From: arnold at cabletron.com (arnold)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:32:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private.py issue
Message-ID: <200102201330.IAA04345@olympus.ctron.com>

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From andy at nachoz.com  Tue Feb 20 16:02:26 2001
From: andy at nachoz.com (Andy Harrison)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:02:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] *UN*restricted posting not working
In-Reply-To: <20010218222603.F29779@moremagic.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010220100226.andy@nachoz.com>

> Let me guess: you have some Email in "can post without being moderated".
> If you do, the list will be restricted implicitely, it's a bug in the UI.


Thanx, that did the trick!


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From david at idiomatrix.com  Tue Feb 20 17:07:26 2001
From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what's wrong with my list?
Message-ID: <web-240626@idiomatrix.com>

I have successfully (I believe) configured Mailman--I'm able to get to
the web pages for configuration, the list correctly sent out all the new
subscriber notes. I'm running this list on a MacOSX Server box (and I
run another mailman list on another macOSX Server machine for another
client quite successfully), so I know I _can_ do this....

When I attempt to send a message to the list (from the subscribed
account) I get the following error:

The original message was received at Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:01:36 -0500
(EST)
from cc-email.champlain.edu [198.112.65.251]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/Local/Library/WebServer/mailman/mail/wrapper post webthugs"
    (expanded from: <webthugs at io.champlain.edu>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 105, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take
1?)
554 "|/Local/Library/WebServer/mailman/mail/wrapper post webthugs"...
unknown mailer error 2


Please reply directly as I get this list a digest and I need to get this
thing working asap... thanks.

\david

--
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shoreham, vt   |  who needs Windows and Gates?



From ksain at mail.gencom.net  Tue Feb 20 17:32:38 2001
From: ksain at mail.gencom.net (Ken Sain)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:32:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one list stopped working
Message-ID: <20010220113238.B389@mail.gencom.net>

i installed this list serve machine about a year ago, and have had zero
problems with it until this morning.

a client that admins one of our lists called and said that he couldn't log into
the admin page anymore (www.123.com/mailman/admin/list)

sure enough, when i try, netscape eventually errors with "page contained no
data, contact the server admin."

so, i checked my apache logs, nothing.  checked mailman's logs, and nothing
out of the normal appears there.  i used the check_db & check_perms in
/mailman/bin and everything is kosher.  running list_members against that
list shows me the correct info.

going to www.123.com/mailman/admin  shows all my lists, including this one.
i can successfully get into all lists, except this one.

nothing has been added/removed on this machine since it went into production.
running mailman-2.0beta5

any ideas/thoughts/suggestions?
thanks!
#---------------------------------------------------------------#
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From hotturu at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 17:34:00 2001
From: hotturu at yahoo.com (chris hopkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:34:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two problems
Message-ID: <20010220163400.81454.qmail@web12715.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
My first question is that, after I set up mailman and
my testing list, I sent a mail to
testing-request at my.host.name. Then I saw this error:
Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?)
It looks that the default gid (other) with number 1 is
being tried. I then reconfigured mailman with
--with-mail-gid=mail ( gid of mail is 6).
However, I got the same error again. Tried a different
gid (nogroup), but same error again. What am i
missing?

Second problem is regarding to apache, how is it told
apache to note user directories as: http://host/user
rather than http://host/~user? Not doing this
introduces a problem that  www.myhost.com/mailman is
not opened by the server.
Thanks in advance...

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From mcan at cs.binghamton.edu  Tue Feb 20 17:42:14 2001
From: mcan at cs.binghamton.edu (Mehmet C. YILDIZ)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:42:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two problems
In-Reply-To: <20010220163400.81454.qmail@web12715.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102201138140.15906-100000@galactica.cs.binghamton.edu>


I had the first problem and solve using the group id instead of group name

--with-mail-gid=6    should solve your first problem I think..

The second problem can be solved putting an Alias into your Apache conf
files I believe.. but since I haven't done it before I'm not sure..
Another solution which is very bad :) is to link your user public_html
directory from apache document root..

--
mcan.


On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, chris hopkins wrote:

> Hi,
> My first question is that, after I set up mailman and
> my testing list, I sent a mail to
> testing-request at my.host.name. Then I saw this error:
> Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?)
> It looks that the default gid (other) with number 1 is
> being tried. I then reconfigured mailman with
> --with-mail-gid=mail ( gid of mail is 6).
> However, I got the same error again. Tried a different
> gid (nogroup), but same error again. What am i
> missing?
> 
> Second problem is regarding to apache, how is it told
> apache to note user directories as: http://host/user
> rather than http://host/~user? Not doing this
> introduces a problem that  www.myhost.com/mailman is
> not opened by the server.
> Thanks in advance...
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 
> a year!  http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From sp at globespan.net  Tue Feb 20 17:43:32 2001
From: sp at globespan.net (Shailesh Parekh)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Win2K Native Mode with Samba 2.0.7  -- Authentication Failed..
Message-ID: <09005DB08CF23F4988C3F8684BE4904F02AD0C@GSMAIL1.globespan.net>

Hi! All,

We are using Solaris 7 and Samba 2.0.7

We changed our Win2K domain from Mixed mode to Native mode. I followed
following steps after this change.

On Unix Server:
1. Shutdown Samba Service. 

On Win2K Server:

1. Removed 'netbios name"  Replicate site
2. Added 'netbios name'    --> Replicated Site.

Now on Unix Server:

1. smbpasswd -j 'DOMAINNAME' -r 'PASSWORD SERVER'

-- Added to the network.

While checking with win2k client. We are prompted for username and password.
While providing both it is repetitively asking. IN Samba log file we noticed
error for "Authentication Failed" 

I will appreciate if some one will help or share your views.

Thanks in Advance. 

- S P



From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Feb 20 17:48:27 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:48:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next: newlist admin passwords not working?
In-Reply-To: <20010220024930.A1121@mallorn.com>
References: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
	<20010220024015.A959@mallorn.com>
	<20010220024930.A1121@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <14994.40923.957589.371988@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% "Christopher P. Lindsey" <lindsey at mallorn.com> writes:

  >> I ran into some problems a while back where the Web server didn't have 
  >> the Python crypt module installed, but the mail server did.  The upshot
  >> was that Mailman used crypt() to create passwords on the mail server, 
  >> but then couldn't authenticate against them on the Web server.  :)

  cpl> The problem that I had was that both servers were running RedHat
  cpl> 4.2, which had python sans the crypt module.  Even though
  cpl> USE_CRYPT was set to 1 in mm_cfg.py, it wouldn't work since the
  cpl> module wasn't there.

OK, I don't set USE_CRYPT in mm_cfg.py at all.  The default (in
Defaults.py) is USE_CRYPT = 1.

I built all the software here myself, including Python, Apache, and
Mailman.

  cpl> Changing USE_CRYPT to 0 solved the problem (and I personally feel
  cpl> that this should be the default given the problems that this can
  cpl> cause).

OK, I tried this and it solved my problem!  Yay!

But, I'm confused.  Why does creating the passwd with newlist not DTRT,
yet changing it with the web interface (or using mmsitepass!) work
correctly?

It turns out that none of the passwords were crypted, because even after
I changed USE_CRYPT to 0, they all continued to work.  I guess this
means that Python wasn't built with the crypt library, right?

I'm still confused though; if Python and mmsitepass are not using crypt
even though USE_CRYPT is 1, why was newlist using it?  Is newlist a C
program instead of a Python program, or something?

Thanks.

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From hotturu at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 20 18:08:51 2001
From: hotturu at yahoo.com (chris hopkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:08:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102201138140.15906-100000@galactica.cs.binghamton.edu>
Message-ID: <20010220170851.19116.qmail@web12707.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you for reply, but it didn't work.
I still get the same error. Any help?


--- "Mehmet C. YILDIZ" <mcan at cs.binghamton.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> I had the first problem and solve using the group id
> instead of group name
> 
> --with-mail-gid=6    should solve your first problem
> I think..
> 
> The second problem can be solved putting an Alias
> into your Apache conf
> files I believe.. but since I haven't done it before
> I'm not sure..
> Another solution which is very bad :) is to link
> your user public_html
> directory from apache document root..
> 
> --
> mcan.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, chris hopkins wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > My first question is that, after I set up mailman
> and
> > my testing list, I sent a mail to
> > testing-request at my.host.name. Then I saw this
> error:
> > Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED
> > gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?)
> > It looks that the default gid (other) with number
> 1 is
> > being tried. I then reconfigured mailman with
> > --with-mail-gid=mail ( gid of mail is 6).
> > However, I got the same error again. Tried a
> different
> > gid (nogroup), but same error again. What am i
> > missing?
> > 
> > Second problem is regarding to apache, how is it
> told
> > apache to note user directories as:
> http://host/user
> > rather than http://host/~user? Not doing this
> > introduces a problem that  www.myhost.com/mailman
> is
> > not opened by the server.
> > Thanks in advance...
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail
> - only $35 
> > a year!  http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
> > 
> >
>
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> Mailman-Users at python.org
> >
>
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From alexandre at redes.unb.br  Tue Feb 20 15:57:00 2001
From: alexandre at redes.unb.br (Alexandre Carlos)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:57:00 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in the installation
Message-ID: <NEBBJKELCKHPOEFLENHFKEKACBAA.alexandre@redes.unb.br>

I?m trying to install the, Mailman, bur in the end of the installtion the is
a overflow error, I would like to knoe how can I resolve this problem.

Thanx

_______________________________

Alexandre Carlos V. de Oliveira
UnB - Laborat?rio de Redes
(61)307-2308 R.238
Bras?lia DF
_______________________________




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Tue Feb 20 19:29:02 2001
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:29:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Win2K Native Mode with Samba 2.0.7  -- Authentication
 Failed..
In-Reply-To: <09005DB08CF23F4988C3F8684BE4904F02AD0C@GSMAIL1.globespan.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0102201328210.24150-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Shailesh Parekh wrote:

> We are using Solaris 7 and Samba 2.0.7

this is not an amanda question.  take it to the samba mailing list.

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From olietz at nanocosmos.de  Tue Feb 20 19:34:23 2001
From: olietz at nanocosmos.de (Oliver Lietz)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:34:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive does not work
Message-ID: <7F76F9C5B013B54B8A60129595B383370521F5@interamnia.metacosmos.de>

Hello,

somehow I get the archive option not to work.
When I create a new list, and post to it,
nothing gets added to the archive.

Example:

bin/newlist support

The there should be archives/public/support
and ../public/support.mbox, but the .../support
directory does not get created.

Strange that I got this working for another
list some weeks ago.

Any hints greatly appreciated.

Oliver Lietz

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Tel. +49 30 4303 2411



From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 20 20:03:08 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:03:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] REPOST: File Ownerships
Message-ID: <3A92BF6C.3DCE8B5F@pcraft.com>

    I run several lists on a server and every once in a while when I
check on the directory where mailman resides, I see that some of the
lists have their config.db and request.db owned by the Apache daemon,
while others have theirs owned by mailman.

list_1, all files owned mailman.mailman, EXCEPT:
-rw-rw----   1 httpd    mailman      4922 Feb 16 08:35 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 httpd    mailman      4922 Feb 16 08:34 config.db.last

list_2, all files owner mailman.mailman, EXCEPT:
-rw-rw-r--   1 httpd    mailman         2 Feb 15 17:00 request.db

list_3, all files owned mailman.mailman, INCLUDING:
-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      2898 Feb 15 17:00 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      2898 Feb 15 12:00 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman         2 Feb 15 17:00 request.db


    Mailman never complains, and things seem to work fine.  But then,
there are times where it blows up while doing the checkdbs crontab.
What's even more baffling is that sometimes when the checkdbs command
fails, the files are all owned by mailman.mailman group, and the only
way to get it going again is to chown it httpd.mailman, and this only
for one list, the other ones don't cause a problem even though they're
owned mailman.mailman.

    I repeat, this ONLY happens with SOME lists, not all of them.

    All the lists were created the same exact way, and the web daemon
has not bee changed, recompiled, or anything.  Neither has mailman.
Everything works, except for that weirdness.

    Can anyone shed some light on this?

    Info:
      SGI Indy running IRIX 6.5.8m
      Mailman v2.0    (UID.GID: mailman.mailman)
      Apache v1.3.14  (UID.GID: httpd.httpd)
      Python v2.0     (UID.GID: root.sys)

    AMK4

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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 20:22:39 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:22:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] one list stopped working
References: <20010220113238.B389@mail.gencom.net>
Message-ID: <3A92C3FF.160AC576@west.sun.com>


Ken Sain wrote:

> sure enough, when i try, netscape eventually errors with "page contained no
> data, contact the server admin."
> 
> so, i checked my apache logs, nothing.  checked mailman's logs, and nothing
> out of the normal appears there.  i used the check_db & check_perms in
> /mailman/bin and everything is kosher.  running list_members against that
> list shows me the correct info.
> 
> going to www.123.com/mailman/admin  shows all my lists, including this one.
> i can successfully get into all lists, except this one.

Is there a stray lock file or two or five in ~mailman/locks?

> nothing has been added/removed on this machine since it went into production.
> running mailman-2.0beta5

old release.  You ought to upgrade.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 20:21:29 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:21:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what's wrong with my list?
References: <web-240626@idiomatrix.com>
Message-ID: <3A92C3B9.BDEB1F4C@west.sun.com>


David Herren wrote:

>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/Local/Library/WebServer/mailman/mail/wrapper post webthugs"
>     (expanded from: <webthugs at io.champlain.edu>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 105, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take
> 1?)

It means precisely what it says.  The wrapper script was run as gid 1, but was
compiled to run as gid 105.  (Without knowing what you've put in your
/etc/groups file, it's hard to say what named groups those are).  

The solution is also precisely in that message: reconfigure to take gid 1
(for the mail-gid at least).



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 20:25:14 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:25:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two problems
References: <20010220163400.81454.qmail@web12715.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A92C49A.99D23372@west.sun.com>


chris hopkins wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> My first question is that, after I set up mailman and
> my testing list, I sent a mail to
> testing-request at my.host.name. Then I saw this error:
> Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?)
> It looks that the default gid (other) with number 1 is
> being tried. I then reconfigured mailman with
> --with-mail-gid=mail ( gid of mail is 6).

The fact that it says "WANTED gid 6" means that it was compiled to expect
GID 6, so recompiling with GID 6 changed nothing.  You need to either
compile it to expect 1, because that's what it's getting (the GOT part of
the message), or change which gid your mailer runs processes as (MTA-dependent).

> Second problem is regarding to apache, how is it told
> apache to note user directories as: http://host/user
> rather than http://host/~user? Not doing this
> introduces a problem that  www.myhost.com/mailman is
> not opened by the server.

Nope, it has nothing to do with that.  You need to read INSTALL again;
that's what it's there for.



From danilods at terra.com.br  Tue Feb 20 20:26:06 2001
From: danilods at terra.com.br (danilods at terra.com.br)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:26:06 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems in installation (Overflow)
Message-ID: <200102201926.f1KJQ6j13405@srv7-bra.bra.terra.com.br>

I`m having a problem with the installation of Mailman.
When I type make install, there`s a overflow problem in the line days(d) = d * 60 * 24 * 24, since the number is too big.

Anybody knows how to solve this?
Thanks for the attention.

Danilo



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 20:29:25 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:29:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next: newlist admin passwords not working?
References: <14994.7097.556451.468899@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
		<20010220024015.A959@mallorn.com>
		<20010220024930.A1121@mallorn.com> <14994.40923.957589.371988@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
Message-ID: <3A92C595.26334B95@west.sun.com>

> I'm still confused though; if Python and mmsitepass are not using crypt
> even though USE_CRYPT is 1, why was newlist using it?  Is newlist a C
> program instead of a Python program, or something?

Nope, newlist uses Mailman/Crypt.py; that file tries to import crypt, and
if it succeeds, uses it, otherwise uses md5.  Maybe something is broken
about your library paths or something that allow crypt to be imported
in one context but not another; that's all I can guess.



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 20:30:12 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:30:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive does not work
References: <7F76F9C5B013B54B8A60129595B383370521F5@interamnia.metacosmos.de>
Message-ID: <3A92C5C4.5ACFA5A4@west.sun.com>

There has to be at least one message posted to the list for the archive to
exist.  Has there been?

Oliver Lietz wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> somehow I get the archive option not to work.
> When I create a new list, and post to it,
> nothing gets added to the archive.
> 
> Example:
> 
> bin/newlist support
> 
> The there should be archives/public/support
> and ../public/support.mbox, but the .../support
> directory does not get created.
> 
> Strange that I got this working for another
> list some weeks ago.
> 
> Any hints greatly appreciated.
> 
> Oliver Lietz
> 
> --
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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 20:32:06 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:32:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Body Content
References: <3A93C281.46C6B492@radix.nl>
Message-ID: <3A92C636.8F2E9F53@west.sun.com>

The right answer is to configure Outlook so that it sends plain-text emails
without MIME sections.  Surely this must still be possible, even with the
Evil Empire's tools.

But yes, demime or stripmime are the other obvious solutions.  I'm about to
roll out demime myself on my main Mailman list, because I'm tired of rejecting
HTML messages by hand.

Sacha Ligthert wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> Sorry to bother you again with my inferior questions, Searching the
> Documentation and browsing through the archives resulted into void. So I
> feel I'm at your mercy again.
> 
> To subscribe it is possible to send an E-mail with in the body
> "subscribe" to the right adres.
> But Outlook has a nasty feature to send allong some extra content with
> the body before the user-content.
> 
> For example:
> 
> Command? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader doe...
> Command? this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
> Command? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09B24.EC2EEC80
> Command? Content-Type: text/plain;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Too many errors encountered; the rest of the message is ignored:
> >       charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> <end example>
> 
> is there a way to filter this kind of content out?
> 
> Digging through the archives shown me tools like deMIME and other tools
> (MIME*) Could these be an alternative.
> 
> Greetings & Thank you,
>         Sacha Ligthert
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 20 20:35:44 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:35:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems in installation (Overflow)
References: <200102201926.f1KJQ6j13405@srv7-bra.bra.terra.com.br>
Message-ID: <3A92C710.A9D63EFC@west.sun.com>


danilods at terra.com.br wrote:
> 
> I`m having a problem with the installation of Mailman.
> When I type make install, there`s a overflow problem in the line days(d) = d * 60 * 24 * 24, since the number is too big.
> 
> Anybody knows how to solve this?
> Thanks for the attention.

The only place I see this line is in Defaults.py, and there it seems to be used
by two statements:

PENDING_REQUEST_LIFE = days(3)
DELIVERY_RETRY_PERIOD = days(5)

Did you change one of these too?  If so, would you mind describing the entire problem?



From olietz at nanocosmos.de  Tue Feb 20 21:28:08 2001
From: olietz at nanocosmos.de (Oliver Lietz)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:28:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive does not work
Message-ID: <7F76F9C5B013B54B8A60129595B38337052202@interamnia.metacosmos.de>

Yes, definitely, I know.
Is there a point in the source code where I can check
or debug what happens?

Thanks,

Oliver

nanocosmos informationstechnologien <http://www.nanocosmos.de>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Mick [mailto:dan.mick at west.sun.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:30 PM
> To: Oliver Lietz; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive does not work
> 
> 
> There has to be at least one message posted to the list for 
> the archive to
> exist.  Has there been?
> 
> Oliver Lietz wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > somehow I get the archive option not to work.
> > When I create a new list, and post to it,
> > nothing gets added to the archive.
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > bin/newlist support
> > 
> > The there should be archives/public/support
> > and ../public/support.mbox, but the .../support
> > directory does not get created.
> > 
> > Strange that I got this working for another
> > list some weeks ago.
> > 
> > Any hints greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Oliver Lietz
> > 
> > --
> > nanocosmos informationstechnologien <http://www.nanocosmos.de>
> > Tel. +49 30 4303 2411
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From scott-brown at home.com  Tue Feb 20 23:36:11 2001
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] COMPLETELY Virtual mailing lists....
Message-ID: <004801c09b8d$8724be00$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Has anyone been able to completely virtualize the mailing lists under
mailman v2?

I'm not talking about the improvements made in v2....  I mean having
multiple domains be able to have the SAME list name.  Unless I've missed
something, right now they're limited to being unique per machine.  I know I
can do this now with foo_LISTA and bar_LISTA - but thats just cludgy when
the users want LISTA as the name...

My gut instinct is to have all the file access routines store their info
under a directory named after the virtual host.  I'm not sure how simply
this could be done as I've not looked tooo deeply into the guts of it, but
if the file references are all dealt with via common routines, it couldnt be
that hard could it?

so in ($prefix)/mailman/lists there would be

		foo.com/somelistname
		foo.com/LISTA
		bar.com/someotherlistname
		bar.com/LISTA

Obviously, the mail receiver post script would need to look at who the mail
was addressed to in order to be able to deal with the appropriate list....
probably some extra things in the webpage generation as well.

Is this a pipe dream??





From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 20 23:47:14 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:47:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] COMPLETELY Virtual mailing lists....
References: <004801c09b8d$8724be00$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <3A92F3F2.B35E7110@pcraft.com>

Scott Brown wrote:

> Has anyone been able to completely virtualize the mailing lists under
> mailman v2?

    Depends on how 'virtual' your setup is, and I suspect, it also depends on
the MTA.

    I have three domains sitting on one machine and mailman installed for each
one (meaning, three copies of mailman).  Each vhost has it's own web address,
and crontask.  And I can have the same list name under all three vhosts and it
works.

    lists.yeehaw.net    -> test-list at ...
    lists.diarist.net   -> test-list at ...  (these don't actually exist)
    lists.pcraft.net    -> test-list at ...

    I run sendmail as my MTA, and using its virtusertable feature, combined with
aliases, each list knows where to go, what to do and what domain to use.

    I have lists that exist on two, or all three domains, same name.  And I have
lists that only exists on one of those domains.  It works like a charm....for
ME!  Doesn't mean it'll do the same for you.

    AMK4

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From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Wed Feb 21 00:26:51 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:26:51 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qfiles directory
References: <3A8B2537.952AEF0C@uts.edu.au> <20010217212005.A5912@tangledhelix.com> <3A91D9E6.674C85A2@uts.edu.au> <20010219215310.A15875@tangledhelix.com>
Message-ID: <3A92FD3B.EF0172A0@uts.edu.au>


Dan Lowe wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, this is a snippet of your SMTP transaction between Mailman and
> Sendmail (localhost port 25).  I don't know what you know about SMTP, but I
> find it interesting that it seems to get a 450 response code back from
> Sendmail rather than a 250.  400-series errors are in the "temporary
> failure" category, which would imply that Sendmail is rejecting the mail,
> not outright, but on a temporary basis.  Thus, Mailman would keep them in
> the queue for later retry (rather than deleting them from the queue due to
> successful delivery, or returning an error, from final rejection).
> 

Thank you very much for pointing that out. It appears that sendmail was
rejecting email addresses outside our domain, for no great reason. In
any case I put a brand new config file in which was as simple as
possible, and now everyone is happy. The messages did take 14 hours or
so to flush completely though.

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From barry at digicool.com  Wed Feb 21 00:32:20 2001
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:32:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] COMPLETELY Virtual mailing lists....
References: <004801c09b8d$8724be00$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
	<3A92F3F2.B35E7110@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <14994.65156.727101.701298@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "AMK" == Ashley M Kirchner <ashley at pcraft.com> writes:

    AMK>     I have three domains sitting on one machine and mailman
    AMK> installed for each one (meaning, three copies of mailman).
    AMK> Each vhost has it's own web address, and crontask.  And I can
    AMK> have the same list name under all three vhosts and it works.

That's the commonly accepted practice for "full-virtual" operation.  I
don't plan on improving this situation until I get a Real Database
under Mailman.

-Barry



From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Feb 21 02:59:53 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:59:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Separate Mailman Cron jobs
References: <E14VLaf-0006O4-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A932119.B9576A@nleaudio.com>

I also currently have separate mailman installations running with separate cron jobs.  How many of these can be practically run?  I'm needing to stagger the digest send times to keep from overload.

Bob



From wheakory at isu.edu  Wed Feb 21 06:41:26 2001
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:41:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Very strange error message
Message-ID: <3A935506.550E705@isu.edu>

I received this error message below and it was being sent to me the
Mailman Owner
every minute for  an hour and none of the list would work. Then all of a
sudden this error message quit sending out and the lists would receive
messages again. Can someone explain this.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 30, in ?
    import socket
ImportError: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0: undefined symbol:
i2d_X509_EXTENSION

Email me at  wheakory at isu.edu

Kory Wheatley
Academic Systems Analyst Sr.




From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Wed Feb 21 15:51:01 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:51:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong url
In-Reply-To: <7F76F9C5B013B54B8A60129595B38337052202@interamnia.metacosm
 os.de>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221094317.00dee6a0@mail.stetson.edu>

A couple of weeks ago I upgraded to version 2.0.1, and 
everything is working ok.

But this morning I created a new list and since I was still 
configuring it, I made myself the list admin, so the "Your new 
mailing list" mail would not go to the user.

Here is a segment from that new mailing list mail;

>You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
>http://www.stetson.edu/mailmanadmin/artsci-staff-l
>The web page for users of your mailing list is:
>http://www.stetson.edu/mailmanlistinfo/artsci-staff-l

Notice that the / is missing after the mailman and before info 
and admin. (so of course the url doesn't work) :-)

Have others had this problem?

Thanks for your help...

-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Wed Feb 21 16:01:23 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 10:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong url
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221094317.00dee6a0@mail.stetson.edu>
References: <7F76F9C5B013B54B8A60129595B38337052202@interamnia.metacosm
 os.de>
	<4.3.2.7.2.20010221094317.00dee6a0@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <14995.55363.122171.974187@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

%% "Arthur J. Byrnes" <abyrnes at stetson.edu> writes:

  ajb> Notice that the / is missing after the mailman and before info 
  ajb> and admin. (so of course the url doesn't work) :-)

  ajb> Have others had this problem?

Check the value of DEFAULT_URL in your Mailman/mm_cfg.py file.

It _MUST_ end in a slash (/).

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From barta at abc.hu  Wed Feb 21 11:45:19 2001
From: barta at abc.hu (Endre Barta)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:45:19 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive problem
Message-ID: <01022111451908.15034@pagat.abc.hu>

Hi,

I cannot get working the arhive options of mailman 2.0.1. When I running 
~mailman/bin/arch, I am getting the following error:

bash-2.04$ bin/arch tarokk
figuring article archives
2000-November
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/arch", line 129, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/arch", line 118, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
  File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 523, in 
processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)
  File "/users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 931, in 
add_article
    self._charsets[cs] = self._charsets.get(cs, 0) + 1
TypeError: unhashable type
bash-2.04$

Any idea?

Thanks in advance,
	Endre



From traceys at thawte.com  Wed Feb 21 12:33:05 2001
From: traceys at thawte.com (Tracey Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:33:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New List Creation
Message-ID: <3A93A771.115AA36E@thawte.com>

Hiya,

How does one go about creating a new list using
mailman?

Regards,
--

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for
your online business.
Get Thawte's FREE guide to Building Customer
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From cwstat at statronics.com  Wed Feb 21 12:46:29 2001
From: cwstat at statronics.com (Charles W. Statkus)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 06:46:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tooo Slow
Message-ID: <001f01c09bfb$ee100de0$2800a8c0@CWSTAT>

I Have about 270K subscribers and Mailman is so slow that I am getting complaints that the process is timing out. When I test it with about a thousand members everything works fine.

When I try to bring up Membership Management with the 270k subscribers, it times out. 

I've watched the locks directory and haven't seen anything out of the ordinary.

Any suggestions?

Chuck
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From dmotter at mailer.fsu.edu  Thu Feb 22 16:55:49 2001
From: dmotter at mailer.fsu.edu (Diane Motter)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:55:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Change
Message-ID: <3A953684.C765428E@mailer.fsu.edu>

I need to change the user password for the list (SA Members). How do I
go about doing that?  Plese email to let me know.
Thank youin advance for your assitstance in this matter.

Diane Motter
mot6930 at hotmail.com




From fil at rezo.net  Wed Feb 21 18:52:13 2001
From: fil at rezo.net (Fil)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:52:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tooo Slow
In-Reply-To: <001f01c09bfb$ee100de0$2800a8c0@CWSTAT>; from cwstat@statronics.com on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 06:46:29AM -0500
References: <001f01c09bfb$ee100de0$2800a8c0@CWSTAT>
Message-ID: <20010221185213.A23891@orwell.bok.net>

I had the same problem for one list and had to switch to sympa
(http://listes.cru.fr/sympa/) because sympa stores its subscriber
information in a mysql database. I guess it'll be a breeze when mailman
supports database based lists. The current effort is towards
internationalization, but I guess the next effort is the database ;)

However for small lists I find mailman more convenient, so I keep both
listmanagers...

In my experience the threshold is around 10K subscribers

@ Charles W. Statkus (cwstat at statronics.com) : I Have about 270K subscribers
> and Mailman is so slow that I am getting complaints that the process is
> timing out. When I test it with about a thousand members everything works
> fine.



From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Wed Feb 21 19:31:22 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:31:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrong url
In-Reply-To: <14995.55363.122171.974187@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221094317.00dee6a0@mail.stetson.edu>
 <7F76F9C5B013B54B8A60129595B38337052202@interamnia.metacosm os.de>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20010221094317.00dee6a0@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010221133002.00d515d0@mail.stetson.edu>

Thank You Paul, that was the problem.


At 10:01 AM 2/21/01 -0500, Paul D. Smith wrote:
>%% "Arthur J. Byrnes" <abyrnes at stetson.edu> writes:
>
>   ajb> Notice that the / is missing after the mailman and before info
>   ajb> and admin. (so of course the url doesn't work) :-)
>
>   ajb> Have others had this problem?
>
>Check the value of DEFAULT_URL in your Mailman/mm_cfg.py file.
>
>It _MUST_ end in a slash (/).
>
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Paul D. Smith <psmith at baynetworks.com>    HASMAT--HA Software 
> Methods & Tools
>  "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." 
> --Mad Scientist
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no 
> responsibility for them.
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-
===========================
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Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From markb at textmatters.com  Wed Feb 21 21:11:52 2001
From: markb at textmatters.com (Mark Barratt)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 20:11:52 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Body Content
References: <3A93C281.46C6B492@radix.nl> <3A92C636.8F2E9F53@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <3A942108.E7922F3C@textmatters.com>

Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> The right answer is to configure Outlook so that it sends plain-text emails
> without MIME sections.  Surely this must still be possible, even with the
> Evil Empire's tools.

The right answer for whom? Surely not for the hapless list member? Why
should they have to reconfigure their email client which they use
happily with hundreds of people, where MIME is a blessing, in order to
meet the needs of one mailing list they happen to be a member of?

I don't want to knock the fab crew who made this brilliant tool. [Can
you tell there's a 'but' coming?]

But it's the list administrator/list server's job to do this filtering,
not the list member's. It would be a great enhancement if mailman did
this as slickly as it does other stuff.

'stripmime', eh? I'd better find out something about it...

-- 
Mark Barratt
Text Matters
phone +44 (0)118 986 8313
fax +44 (0)118 931 3743
email markb at textmatters.com
web http://www.textmatters.com



From icon at echo-on.net  Wed Feb 21 20:57:00 2001
From: icon at echo-on.net (TODD)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists
Message-ID: <006201c09c40$7503d7c0$5be03840@todd>

Hello 
Can i get an e-mail listing for maybe 10,000 ?

Thank you
Todd Harris
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From pausmith at nortelnetworks.com  Wed Feb 21 21:31:21 2001
From: pausmith at nortelnetworks.com (Paul D. Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 15:31:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TO field incorrect (sendmail)
Message-ID: <14996.9625.618121.378104@lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com>

I'm using mailman 2.0.1 on a system with sendmail 8.9.3 (I know, I know,
but I just don't have time right now to install exim :-/... this _HAS_
to be working by tomorrow evening, when I go on vacation--I'll look at
it when I get back :).  I'm using 

Everything is working fine, _except_ one thing: when I send mail to the
mailing list, the To: field of the message I get back (as a member of
the list) is incorrect and invalid.

I send mail to "mylist at lists.domain.com", and when I get that message
back it has a To: field like:

  To: mylist at server.east

Now, here's the deal; this system was originally named "server".  It
still has this as /etc/hostname, and it still needs to respond to mail
that way, etc.

It also has a number of aliases, including lists.domain.com.

I'm not sure where the "east" is coming from; the /etc/defaultdomain is
"east" (but that's only used for NIS, right, so that wouldn't matter?),
and the fully-qualified hostname of the server alias is
"server.east.domain.com".

Anyway, the question is why isn't the "To:" field using the
lists.domain.com address?

Who sets the To: field on outgoing (list) mail?  Is it mailman?  I can't
find anywhere in mailman that might be using the "server.east" address.

Or is it sendmail somehow?  Is there anyone who knows enough about
sendmail to point me in the right direction?  I see lots of discussion
of changing the From: address (masquerading), but not setting the "To:"
address ??

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From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Wed Feb 21 22:35:42 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:35:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Body Content
Message-ID: <200102212133.NAA18999@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Dan Mick wrote:
> > 
> > The right answer is to configure Outlook so that it sends plain-text emails
> > without MIME sections.  Surely this must still be possible, even with the
> > Evil Empire's tools.
> 
> The right answer for whom? Surely not for the hapless list member?

Yes, the list member.  All of them.

> Why
> should they have to reconfigure their email client which they use
> happily with hundreds of people, where MIME is a blessing,

It's a wart on email, and needs to be stopped.

> in order to
> meet the needs of one mailing list they happen to be a member of?

To use the Internet mail service the way it was intended to be used?...


Yes, I'm aware this is a religious war.

> But it's the list administrator/list server's job to do this filtering,
> not the list member's. 

I disagree.

> It would be a great enhancement if mailman did
> this as slickly as it does other stuff.
> 
> 'stripmime', eh? I'd better find out something about it...

I'm using demime now; it's working pretty well.




From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Thu Feb 22 00:51:44 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:51:44 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Body Content
References: <200102212133.NAA18999@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <3A945490.FB17005F@uts.edu.au>


Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > Why
> > should they have to reconfigure their email client which they use
> > happily with hundreds of people, where MIME is a blessing,
> 
> It's a wart on email, and needs to be stopped.
> 
> > in order to
> > meet the needs of one mailing list they happen to be a member of?
> 
> To use the Internet mail service the way it was intended to be used?...
> 
> Yes, I'm aware this is a religious war.
> 

At the risk of making this a 'me too' email, I agree entirely with
everything that Dan has said, however I also agree that it'd be great if
mailman could automatically whack the silly html etc that these MS
loving point and drool lusers insist on adding to a perfectly good text
message.


-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From ks at netmafia.org  Thu Feb 22 01:01:35 2001
From: ks at netmafia.org (Karo Salminen)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:01:35 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A search engine/interface for MailMan
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102220159460.577-100000@ks>

Hello,

I'd like to know is there any simple and good search engine to MailMan,
which would have a good web interface too. Why haven't you guys already
built anything like that to MailMan itself?

Please answer straight to me, thanks.


 -- ks at netmafia.org - <http://www.netmafia.org/~ks/> -- 045-6728280 --
                 "So pathetic that it's even amusing!"





From morph at softhome.net  Thu Feb 22 01:12:33 2001
From: morph at softhome.net (Pete Jewell)
Date: 22 Feb 2001 00:12:33 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what's wrong with my list?
In-Reply-To: <3A92C3B9.BDEB1F4C@west.sun.com>
References: <web-240626@idiomatrix.com> <3A92C3B9.BDEB1F4C@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <m31ysrk232.fsf@softhome.net>

Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com> writes:

> It means precisely what it says.  The wrapper script was run as gid
> 1, but was compiled to run as gid 105.  (Without knowing what you've
> put in your /etc/groups file, it's hard to say what named groups
> those are).
> 
> The solution is also precisely in that message: reconfigure to take
> gid 1 (for the mail-gid at least).

The instructions for which are in the admin/www/install-trouble.html
file in the distribution.

I had the same problem myself and was pleased to find instructions for
the specific mailer I use (postfix).

-- 
Pete

pete at maverick-dbms.org
-------------------------------------------------------------
MaVerick - Open Source MultiValue Database Management System
Check out the website     ->    http://www.maverick-dbms.org



From jeme at brelin.net  Thu Feb 22 01:43:43 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:43:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms Help (AGAIN)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102211607400.9915-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

If you can help with any part of this, please let me know.

I'm going to repeat some concerns from an email of early this
week... Please understand that I'm getting mail from cron every FIVE
MINUTES regarding the second problem and every half hour regarding the
first.

Please help if you can at all.  I've rephrased and restructured my
questions.

I was fixing my archives (which had never worked, but now do... it was an
apache problem in the end, I think) when I munged all these file
permissions.  I have a working install of mailman (compiled slightly
differently) and compared the two and I THINK the file perms between them
are analogous.

In the process of cleaning some stuff, one lock file was deleted.

So here's one of the cron errors I get.

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory

Does anyone know how to recreate this lockfile?

-------------------------------------

I ran check_perms -f and it no longer gives errors and I tried to make the
ownerships analogous to those in /usr/local/imc (the OTHER installation),
but I'm still getting the following cron errors:

But I'm still getting this message every five minutes:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

It seems like everything else works, but I don't have any lists that are
gating to a newsgroup.

So why is this one failing, but the lists are still working fine?

Thanks so much for any input.
J.
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    jeme at brelin.net
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From kae at eng.kmitnb.ac.th  Thu Feb 22 15:13:43 2001
From: kae at eng.kmitnb.ac.th (kamkarn)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:13:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot receive email from the list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0102220851001.4579-100000@eng.kmitnb.ac.th>

I tested my mail list. I sent a message to the list but the member
in the list cannot receive that message. I tried many times.
Every messages display in the archive but not in the member's email.
Every lists and every members.
I run newaliases every time I add newlist.
How should I do? please tell me

Thank you

kamkarn Sangloh




From mpolsen at home.com  Thu Feb 22 04:39:26 2001
From: mpolsen at home.com (Michael Olsen)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:39:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] source for available list
Message-ID: <000a01c09c81$0eca5830$24787018@cr65559a>

I am looking for a strategy to market our financial investors package to the general public so we are interested in a list for middle to above average income earner in the US. 

I am also looking for a specific list for all the financial advisors in the US. Can you help or pint me in the right direction?


Thank You



Michael Olsen
mpolsen at home.com
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From stanton at livsform.com  Thu Feb 22 07:13:25 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... Using Sendmail on
 RH7
Message-ID: <B6BA1835.A2F%stanton@livsform.com>

Hello,

I am having an unusual problem that is leaving no trail whatsoever.  I have
been through the Install docs and almost the entire mailing list archives
and nothing (well, similar problems, but not a problem at exactly the same
sopt...).

So, I have set up MM in the directory /mailman on my machine.  I have set up
a test list called "speak".  The admin and listinfo sections are working and
so is the CGI part entirely as far as I can see.  I tried subscribing to
this list as a user and get the confirmation email as expected.  I then
reply and then.. nothing.

Here is my Sendmail log entries for the email, which show nothing wrong:

Feb 21 23:18:29 mies sendmail[23475]: f1M4ITZ23475:
from=<stanton at livsform.com>, size=1462, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<B6B9FDA8.A17%stanton at livsform.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
relay=w120.z064000106.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.106.120]

Feb 21 23:18:32 mies sendmail[23476]: f1M4ITZ23475: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper
mailcmd speak", ctladdr=<speak-request at talktothedogg.com> (8/0),
delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=31044, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent

I tested sendmail to make sure it could execute another script and it can.

The user is not signed up and the pending status is still on the
subscription request in ~/logs/subscribe.

{As a side note, I also think it is odd that I have signed up for this list,
received the confirmation email immediately, replied to it, all in the same
fashion and have still not heard back from mailman at python.org for a few
hours...}

Any help would be appreciated :-)

-stanton schell
-- 

Stanton Schell
livsform design group
stanton at livsform.com
703-538-3491
703-989-6591




From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Feb 22 07:31:57 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:31:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers
Message-ID: <3A94B25D.1D5CFA9B@pcraft.com>

    What should I do with mailman, and it's aliases if I have multiple
MX servers for a domain?  When the actual mailman server is busy sending
out email, incoming mail is/can be redirected to a second (backup)
server that isn't as busy.  However, that backup doesn't have mailman on
it so, uh...nothing happens, it just bounces.  Both servers are running
sendmail.  Any ideas?

    AMK4

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From dmitry at irex.ru  Thu Feb 22 09:20:37 2001
From: dmitry at irex.ru (Dmitry Barabanov)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:20:37 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] incorrect subscriber's address
Message-ID: <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C38A627@EXCHMOS>

Dear experts,

I have one strange address subscribed to one of my lists. It's looking like
this:

"user at domain.com"@domain.com

I would like to remove it, but remove_members script don't help
as well as unchecking appropriate box on the Membership management page.
Any ideas?

Thanks

******************************************
Dmitry N. Barabanov
IT Specialist, IREX/Moscow
tel 7-095-956-0978, fax 7-095-956-0977
e-mail: dmitry at irex.ru
******************************************



From morph at softhome.net  Thu Feb 22 12:28:38 2001
From: morph at softhome.net (Pete Jewell)
Date: 22 Feb 2001 11:28:38 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Body Content
In-Reply-To: <3A92C636.8F2E9F53@west.sun.com>
References: <3A93C281.46C6B492@radix.nl> <3A92C636.8F2E9F53@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <m3g0h72byx.fsf@softhome.net>

Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com> writes:

> The right answer is to configure Outlook so that it sends plain-text emails
> without MIME sections.  Surely this must still be possible, even with the
> Evil Empire's tools.
> 
> But yes, demime or stripmime are the other obvious solutions.  I'm about to
> roll out demime myself on my main Mailman list, because I'm tired of rejecting
> HTML messages by hand.

Which is exactly what I did after reading your message last night -
the biggest task was installing the various Perl modules I had missing
(the instructions don't tell you that you need HTML::Format) - but
once that was done installation of demime it self was a cinch (as per
the instructions) - works very well too, including preventing
attachments getting onto the list.

I'd tried stripmime previously, which, although it worked fine with
majordomo, left me with zero line messages when used with mailman.

Considering how complicated implementing a MIME parser and filter is,
it's probably not a good idea to implement it natively in mailman, but
to support the demime project instead.

-- 
Pete

pete at maverick-dbms.org
-------------------------------------------------------------
MaVerick - Open Source MultiValue Database Management System
Check out the website     ->    http://www.maverick-dbms.org



From woodbury at jupiter.niehs.nih.gov  Thu Feb 22 20:26:15 2001
From: woodbury at jupiter.niehs.nih.gov (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:26:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Moving Lists between machines
Message-ID: <200102221926.OAA17153@jupiter.niehs.nih.gov>

I'm attempting to move lists from one machine to another.

Machine 1:
	Mailman 2.0b6

Machine 2:
	Mailman 2.0.1

otherwise they are identical except for CPU

The catch:
	The "admin" URL shows all the appropriate lists, the
"listinfo" URL says there are no publicly advertised lists.

Hints, suggestions?

--
Greg Woodbury, OAO NIEHS Contract, SysAdmin Task



From raponchi at friends.cl  Thu Feb 22 21:04:48 2001
From: raponchi at friends.cl (Hanamichi Sakuragui (El Talentoso !!!))
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:04:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre Instalation Question
Message-ID: <001b01c09d0a$cd993ea0$c32a1fc8@indet.cl>

Hi
My question is : Can i install Mailman without a webserver ??? my linux box
don't have a web server running and i don't wan to install one.

Thanks.




From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Thu Feb 22 21:24:37 2001
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:24:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre Instalation Question
In-Reply-To: <001b01c09d0a$cd993ea0$c32a1fc8@indet.cl>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20010222151748.039b8160@mail.stetson.edu>

At 04:04 PM 2/22/01 -0400, Hanamichi Sakuragui \(El Talentoso !!!\) wrote:
>Hi
>My question is : Can i install Mailman without a webserver ??? 
>my linux box
>don't have a web server running and i don't wan to install one.

The main reason many of us have installed mailman is because of 
the fine web interface features.

There are functions that cannot be performed without access to 
the web interface, so although you might be able to install the 
program without a webserver, the program would not be functional.

If you need a mailing list program without a webserver, you may 
want to use majordomo.


-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From woodbury at jupiter.niehs.nih.gov  Thu Feb 22 21:54:08 2001
From: woodbury at jupiter.niehs.nih.gov (Gregory G. Woodbury)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:54:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Moving Lists between machines
Message-ID: <200102222054.PAA17255@jupiter.niehs.nih.gov>

> From: "Arthur J. Byrnes" <abyrnes at stetson.edu>
> 
> At 02:26 PM 2/22/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'm attempting to move lists from one machine to another.
> >...
> >The catch:
> >         The "admin" URL shows all the appropriate lists, the
> >"listinfo" URL says there are no publicly advertised lists.
> >
> >Hints, suggestions?
> 
> Silly question;  Can you get to the individual lists pages 
> through the admin list?
> 
> If so, can you check the button under "Privacy Options" to make 
> sure that the list is publicly advertised?

Lists are accessible by single pages, Lists are marked as "advertise"

The problem was the "list overview" not showing lists that have non-matching
host names on the "listinfo" pages,  "admin" list shows all lists on the
host despite virtual name differences.

Greg Woodbury



From Tom_Roche at ncsu.edu  Thu Feb 22 22:13:17 2001
From: Tom_Roche at ncsu.edu (Tom_Roche at ncsu.edu)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering HTML mail?
Message-ID: <3A9580ED.AF33BB3A@ncsu.edu>

I manage a mailman-run list. I'd like to know: can one configure
Mailman to bounce or hold HTML posts? Apologies if this is a FAQ, but
I don't see any appropriate options among the list configuration
options, nor did I see anything at

http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

Please reply directly to me (as well as the list): I'm not a
subscriber. (My relationship with mailman is platonic :-)

TIA, Tom_Roche at ncsu.edu



From esew at verio.net  Thu Feb 22 23:32:24 2001
From: esew at verio.net (Erik S.E. Walum)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:32:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] limiting max message size globally
Message-ID: <20010222143224.B12996@verio.net>

Is there a way to limit the max limit on message size globally for all
lists? Were concerned about letting customers manage this veriable as it
can have extremely detrimentel effects when your installation becomes
quite large. Please respond to me personally as well as the list.

Thanks.
-- 
Erik Walum <esew at verio.net> 
Internet Systems Engineer
Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Feb 22 23:51:17 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:51:17 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering HTML mail? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tom_Roche@ncsu.edu 
   of "Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:13:17 EST." <3A9580ED.AF33BB3A@ncsu.edu> 
References: <3A9580ED.AF33BB3A@ncsu.edu> 
Message-ID: <26286.982882277@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:13:17 -0500 
Tom Roche <Tom_Roche at ncsu.edu> wrote:

> I manage a mailman-run list. I'd like to know: can one configure
> Mailman to bounce or hold HTML posts? Apologies if this is a FAQ,
> but I don't see any appropriate options among the list
> configuration options, nor did I see anything at

Yes, you simply define regular expressions which match the various
MIME structures for unwanted types that you want held.  Mailman will
then hold all matching messages for moderation.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Thu Feb 22 23:59:29 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:59:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] filtering HTML mail? 
Message-ID: <200102222257.OAA04559@utopia.west.sun.com>

> > I manage a mailman-run list. I'd like to know: can one configure
> > Mailman to bounce or hold HTML posts? Apologies if this is a FAQ,
> > but I don't see any appropriate options among the list
> > configuration options, nor did I see anything at
> 
> Yes, you simply define regular expressions which match the various
> MIME structures for unwanted types that you want held.  Mailman will
> then hold all matching messages for moderation.

Here's my recipe, which is no longer used because I've caved and
installed demime, gotten from this list years go (probably from JCL...)


Content-type:.*multipart/.*
Content-type:.*text/html.*
Content-type:.*text/enriched.*
Content-type:.*text/x-vcard.*
Content-Disposition:.*attachment

in Privacy options/Spam-specific posting/Hold posts...




From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Fri Feb 23 01:25:25 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:25:25 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] limiting max message size globally
References: <20010222143224.B12996@verio.net>
Message-ID: <3A95ADF5.193C1152@uts.edu.au>

do it in the MTA.

"Erik S.E. Walum" wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to limit the max limit on message size globally for all
> lists? Were concerned about letting customers manage this veriable as it
> can have extremely detrimentel effects when your installation becomes
> quite large. Please respond to me personally as well as the list.
> 
> Thanks.
> --
> Erik Walum <esew at verio.net>
> Internet Systems Engineer
> Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From stanton at livsform.com  Fri Feb 23 01:39:38 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 19:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... Using
 Sendmail on RH7  ... And 6.2
In-Reply-To: <B6BA1835.A2F%stanton@livsform.com>
Message-ID: <B6BB1B79.A8B%stanton@livsform.com>

Hello ,
I posted this email yesterday.  I just have one thing to add - this same
problem also occurs on the out-of-the-box installation of RedHat 6.2 as
well...

-stanton
-- 

Stanton Schell
livsform design group
stanton at livsform.com
703-538-3491
703-989-6591

------ Forwarded Message
> From: Stanton Schell <stanton at livsform.com>
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:13:25 -0500
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... Using Sendmail on RH7
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am having an unusual problem that is leaving no trail whatsoever.  I have
> been through the Install docs and almost the entire mailing list archives and
> nothing (well, similar problems, but not a problem at exactly the same
> sopt...).
> 
> So, I have set up MM in the directory /mailman on my machine.  I have set up a
> test list called "speak".  The admin and listinfo sections are working and so
> is the CGI part entirely as far as I can see.  I tried subscribing to this
> list as a user and get the confirmation email as expected.  I then reply and
> then.. nothing.
> 
> Here is my Sendmail log entries for the email, which show nothing wrong:
> 
> Feb 21 23:18:29 mies sendmail[23475]: f1M4ITZ23475:
> from=<stanton at livsform.com>, size=1462, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> msgid=<B6B9FDA8.A17%stanton at livsform.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
> relay=w120.z064000106.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.106.120]
> 
> Feb 21 23:18:32 mies sendmail[23476]: f1M4ITZ23475: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper
> mailcmd speak", ctladdr=<speak-request at talktothedogg.com> (8/0),
> delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=31044, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> 
> I tested sendmail to make sure it could execute another script and it can.
> 
> The user is not signed up and the pending status is still on the subscription
> request in ~/logs/subscribe.
> 
> {As a side note, I also think it is odd that I have signed up for this list,
> received the confirmation email immediately, replied to it, all in the same
> fashion and have still not heard back from mailman at python.org for a few
> hours...}
> 
> Any help would be appreciated :-)
> 
> -stanton schell
> -- 
> 
> Stanton Schell
> livsform design group
> stanton at livsform.com
> 703-538-3491
> 703-989-6591

------ End of Forwarded Message




From sacha at radix.nl  Fri Feb 23 08:55:51 2001
From: sacha at radix.nl (Sacha Ligthert)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:55:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted Body Content
Message-ID: <4EA04A79935CD4118E0600A0C93005FC27824A@nt1.radix.nl>

:-) Dan Mick wrote:
:-) > 
:-) > The right answer is to configure Outlook so that it sends 
:-) plain-text emails
:-) > without MIME sections.  Surely this must still be 
:-) possible, even with the
:-) > Evil Empire's tools.
I eventually managed to fix this minor issue by raising the MAXERRORS
variable in MailCommandHandler.py to 10 or 20.
Mailman then has a bigger amount of lines/errors he can process before
hitting the actual command.

HTML and MIMI related content will be seen as an error and will be ignored
by Mailman. Sending E-mail to list-request works without a hassle now :-)

Its a dirty method. But it works :-)

Thanks for all the help,
	Sacha Ligthert
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From blackbird at the-pentagon.com  Fri Feb 23 11:08:28 2001
From: blackbird at the-pentagon.com (Blackbird)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:08:28 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to Mailman
Message-ID: <00cb01c09d80$91a8afe0$4b07b0cb@pcworld.com.ph>

hello.  I need some help.

Is there a way to subscribe to a mailman list without having to go to the
users' page and filling up the subscription online form?

I used to use majordomo and interested parties can subscribe via email.  I
even put a form on a web site where one can fill in their email address, and
a script just sends that email address to the mailing list.  Would Mailman
have a similar feature?

Thanks.

Blackbird




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 23 12:51:13 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:51:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... 
 UsingSendmail on RH7  ... And 6.2
References: <B6BB1B79.A8B%stanton@livsform.com>
Message-ID: <3A964EB1.D42AD5D5@west.sun.com>

You don't mention cron.  Why is that?

Stanton Schell wrote:
> 
> Hello ,
> I posted this email yesterday.  I just have one thing to add - this same
> problem also occurs on the out-of-the-box installation of RedHat 6.2 as
> well...
> 
> -stanton
> --
> 
> Stanton Schell
> livsform design group
> stanton at livsform.com
> 703-538-3491
> 703-989-6591
> 
> ------ Forwarded Message
> > From: Stanton Schell <stanton at livsform.com>
> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:13:25 -0500
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Subject: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... Using Sendmail on RH7
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am having an unusual problem that is leaving no trail whatsoever.  I have
> > been through the Install docs and almost the entire mailing list archives and
> > nothing (well, similar problems, but not a problem at exactly the same
> > sopt...).
> >
> > So, I have set up MM in the directory /mailman on my machine.  I have set up a
> > test list called "speak".  The admin and listinfo sections are working and so
> > is the CGI part entirely as far as I can see.  I tried subscribing to this
> > list as a user and get the confirmation email as expected.  I then reply and
> > then.. nothing.
> >
> > Here is my Sendmail log entries for the email, which show nothing wrong:
> >
> > Feb 21 23:18:29 mies sendmail[23475]: f1M4ITZ23475:
> > from=<stanton at livsform.com>, size=1462, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> > msgid=<B6B9FDA8.A17%stanton at livsform.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
> > relay=w120.z064000106.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.106.120]
> >
> > Feb 21 23:18:32 mies sendmail[23476]: f1M4ITZ23475: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper
> > mailcmd speak", ctladdr=<speak-request at talktothedogg.com> (8/0),
> > delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=31044, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> >
> > I tested sendmail to make sure it could execute another script and it can.
> >
> > The user is not signed up and the pending status is still on the subscription
> > request in ~/logs/subscribe.
> >
> > {As a side note, I also think it is odd that I have signed up for this list,
> > received the confirmation email immediately, replied to it, all in the same
> > fashion and have still not heard back from mailman at python.org for a few
> > hours...}
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated :-)
> >
> > -stanton schell
> > --
> >
> > Stanton Schell
> > livsform design group
> > stanton at livsform.com
> > 703-538-3491
> > 703-989-6591
> 
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 23 13:20:41 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 04:20:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms Help (AGAIN)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102211607400.9915-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>
Message-ID: <3A965599.74E8C241@west.sun.com>

> I was fixing my archives (which had never worked, but now do... it was an
> apache problem in the end, I think) when I munged all these file
> permissions.  I have a working install of mailman (compiled slightly
> differently) and compared the two and I THINK the file perms between them
> are analogous.
> 
> In the process of cleaning some stuff, one lock file was deleted.
> 
> So here's one of the cron errors I get.
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
>     lockfile.lock()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
>     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
> 
> Does anyone know how to recreate this lockfile?

The file is created each time there's a lock needed.  If the lists are
quiescent, delete everything in ~mailman/locks and see if this persists; if so,
triplecheck the perms on ~mailman/locks.

> -------------------------------------
> 
> I ran check_perms -f and it no longer gives errors and I tried to make the
> ownerships analogous to those in /usr/local/imc (the OTHER installation),
> but I'm still getting the following cron errors:
> 
> But I'm still getting this message every five minutes:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
>     raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
> MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

So this says to me that you have a list whose data file has been moved,
deleted, or corrupted.  What does, say, list_lists show?  What about
bin/check_dbs on all the lists?



From alessio at albourne.com  Fri Feb 23 13:39:20 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:39:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to Mailman
References: <00cb01c09d80$91a8afe0$4b07b0cb@pcworld.com.ph>
Message-ID: <3A9659F8.48B34BB4@albourne.com>

Blackbird wrote:

> Is there a way to subscribe to a mailman list without having to go to the
> users' page and filling up the subscription online form?

To subscribe to list at my.host send a message with body subscribe
to list-request at my.host.

-- 
Alessio F. Bragadini		alessio at albourne.com
APL Financial Services		http://village.albourne.com
Nicosia, Cyprus		 	phone: +357-2-755750

"It is more complicated than you think"
		-- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925



From saint at gaumina.lt  Fri Feb 23 14:10:39 2001
From: saint at gaumina.lt (Martynas Sklizmantas)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:10:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pre Instalation Question
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010222151748.039b8160@mail.stetson.edu>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010222151748.039b8160@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <01022315103916.30687@saint>

hello,

if you are running qmail i should suggest to use ezmlm.

regards

Martynas Sklizmantas
system integrator



On Thursday 22 February 2001 22:24, Arthur J. Byrnes wrote:
> At 04:04 PM 2/22/01 -0400, Hanamichi Sakuragui \(El Talentoso !!!\) wrote:
> >Hi
> >My question is : Can i install Mailman without a webserver ???
> >my linux box
> >don't have a web server running and i don't wan to install one.
>
> The main reason many of us have installed mailman is because of
> the fine web interface features.
>
> There are functions that cannot be performed without access to
> the web interface, so although you might be able to install the
> program without a webserver, the program would not be functional.
>
> If you need a mailing list program without a webserver, you may
> want to use majordomo.
>
>
> -
> ===========================
> Arthur J. Byrnes
> Unix System Administrator
> Center for Information Technology
> Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
> ===========================
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From johnm at ic5.net  Fri Feb 23 14:22:10 2001
From: johnm at ic5.net (John McGarrigle)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:22:10 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing mailman hostname?
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGEEJADEAA.johnm@ic5.net>

Hey,

Currently mailman has picked up the default hostname for the box on
./configure (let's say its box1.uk.foo.bar). Basically, I want to know how I
can manually set this to, say mail.uk.foo.bar).

It's probibally really simple, but y'know... I'm stupid :)

Thanks,

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----




From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Fri Feb 23 13:35:39 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:05:39 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to Mailman
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c09d80$91a8afe0$4b07b0cb@pcworld.com.ph>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102231804450.8179-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 23, 2001 at 18:08, Blackbird wrote:

>Is there a way to subscribe to a mailman list without having to go to the
>users' page and filling up the subscription online form?
>
>I used to use majordomo and interested parties can subscribe via email.  I

listname-request at localhost with a body 'subscribe'.

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
All programmers are optimists.




From stanton at livsform.com  Fri Feb 23 17:02:47 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:02:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere...
In-Reply-To: <3A964EB1.D42AD5D5@west.sun.com>
References: <3A964EB1.D42AD5D5@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <44965.206.144.26.44.982944167.squirrel@miesmail.livsform.com>

Sorry, I executed the crontab command in installation as well...

-stanton


> You don't mention cron.  Why is that?
> 
> Stanton Schell wrote:
>> 
>> Hello ,
>> I posted this email yesterday.  I just have one thing to add - this same
>> problem also occurs on the out-of-the-box installation of RedHat 6.2 as 
well...
>> 
>> -stanton
>> --
>> 
>> Stanton Schell
>> livsform design group
>> stanton at livsform.com
>> 703-538-3491
>> 703-989-6591
>> 
>> ------ Forwarded Message
>> > From: Stanton Schell <stanton at livsform.com>
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:13:25 -0500
>> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>> > Subject: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... Using Sendmail 
on
>> > RH7
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am having an unusual problem that is leaving no trail whatsoever.  I 
have
>> > been through the Install docs and almost the entire mailing list archives 
and
>> > nothing (well, similar problems, but not a problem at exactly the same
>> > sopt...).
>> >
>> > So, I have set up MM in the directory /mailman on my machine.  I have set 
up
>> > a test list called "speak".  The admin and listinfo sections are working 
and
>> > so is the CGI part entirely as far as I can see.  I tried subscribing to this
>> > list as a user and get the confirmation email as expected.  I then reply and
>> > then.. nothing.
>> >
>> > Here is my Sendmail log entries for the email, which show nothing 
wrong:
>> >
>> > Feb 21 23:18:29 mies sendmail[23475]: f1M4ITZ23475:
>> > from=<stanton at livsform.com>, size=1462, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>> > msgid=<B6B9FDA8.A17%stanton at livsform.com>, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA,
>> > relay=w120.z064000106.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.106.120]
>> >
>> > Feb 21 23:18:32 mies sendmail[23476]: f1M4ITZ23475: to="|/etc/smrsh/
wrapper
>> > mailcmd speak", ctladdr=<speak-request at talktothedogg.com> (8/0),
>> > delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=31044, dsn=2.0.0, 
stat=Sent
>> >
>> > I tested sendmail to make sure it could execute another script and it can.
>> >
>> > The user is not signed up and the pending status is still on the 
subscription
>> > request in ~/logs/subscribe.
>> >
>> > {As a side note, I also think it is odd that I have signed up for this list,
>> > received the confirmation email immediately, replied to it, all in the same
>> > fashion and have still not heard back from mailman at python.org for a 
few
>> > hours...}
>> >
>> > Any help would be appreciated :-)
>> >
>> > -stanton schell
>> > --
>> >
>> > Stanton Schell
>> > livsform design group
>> > stanton at livsform.com
>> > 703-538-3491
>> > 703-989-6591
>> 
>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


-- 
Stanton Schell
stanton at livsform.com
703.989.6591
703.538.3491




From michael.preminger at jbi.hio.no  Fri Feb 23 17:29:10 2001
From: michael.preminger at jbi.hio.no (Michael Preminger)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:29:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderator approvement
Message-ID: <3A968FD6.CFAF6EA1@jbi.hio.no>

HEllo!

I have a mailing list, which I wish to have unmoderated for members.
Non-members should not be able to send messages.

So I go into "privacy options", and answer like this:
Must posts be approved by an administrator? (Details) *No      Yes
Restrict posting privilege to list members?(member_posting_only)  No
*Yes

But still when I, the moderator of the group, being also a member (with
the same e-mail adress as my mails entail), the system asks for approval
for my mailings.

What else should I check?

Thanks

Michael
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From Tim.Hewitt at fairchildsemi.com  Fri Feb 23 18:04:54 2001
From: Tim.Hewitt at fairchildsemi.com (Tim Hewitt)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:04:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the welcome email
Message-ID: <B6BC0266.355%Tim.Hewitt@fairchildsemi.com>

Hi,

I am running Mailman for a "notice only" list, where no one is allowed to
post to the list except a program that sends out notices.

I want people to have to confirm their subscription to the list, and then I
want to send them a custom welcome message, _without_ the

  "To post to this list, send your email to:"

message.

Is there some way to do that?

Thanks,

-Tim




From Feindavid at aol.com  Fri Feb 23 18:45:52 2001
From: Feindavid at aol.com (Feindavid at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:45:52 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <de.109d5ec2.27c7fbd0@aol.com>

you sent me an e-mail that i am a member.  please cancel my membership
right away.  now.
thank you



From Feindavid at aol.com  Fri Feb 23 18:46:25 2001
From: Feindavid at aol.com (Feindavid at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:46:25 EST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feindavid
Message-ID: <d0.11e0b2c0.27c7fbf1@aol.com>

please cancel my membership right away.



From jeme at brelin.net  Fri Feb 23 18:48:29 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:48:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms Help (AGAIN)
In-Reply-To: <3A965599.74E8C241@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102230940420.23209-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> > In the process of cleaning some stuff, one lock file was deleted.
> > 
> > So here's one of the cron errors I get.
> > 
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
> >     lockfile.lock()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
> >     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> > OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
> > 
> > Does anyone know how to recreate this lockfile?
> 
> The file is created each time there's a lock needed.  If the lists are
> quiescent, delete everything in ~mailman/locks and see if this persists; if so,
> triplecheck the perms on ~mailman/locks.

Well, there are no mailman processes running... And I would THINK that the
lockfiles were generated automatically, but apparently not.

The locks dir is drwxrwsr-x mailman:mailman as it should be, yes?

> > But I'm still getting this message every five minutes:
> > 
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
> >     mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
> >     self.Load()
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
> >     raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
> > MMBadListError: Failed to access config info
> 
> So this says to me that you have a list whose data file has been moved,
> deleted, or corrupted.  What does, say, list_lists show?  What about
> bin/check_dbs on all the lists?

I don't have a list_lists command (this is 1.1.  Neither of my
installations has a list_lists), but the active lists show up on the pages
that browse lists (http://host/mailman/listinfo, etc.).

check_db on each list comes out fine.

I've removed one list, I think, in my entire time running mailman and that
was weeks before i made the permissions errors that brought me where I am.

I just ran ~/bin/update (even though I didn't upgrade) and it said "you're
either one brave soul, or you already ran me" on every list... save one.
Hmm... I wonder...

Maybe it's fixed.  I'll watch cron output.
J.
-- 
   -----------------
     Jeme A Brelin
    jeme at brelin.net
   -----------------
 [cc] counter-copyright
 http://www.openlaw.org




From jeme at brelin.net  Fri Feb 23 19:49:16 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:49:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms Help (AGAIN)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102230940420.23209-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102231047250.23922-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Jeme A Brelin wrote:
> I just ran ~/bin/update (even though I didn't upgrade) and it said "you're
> either one brave soul, or you already ran me" on every list... save one.
> Hmm... I wonder...
>
> Maybe it's fixed.  I'll watch cron output.

Well, it's not fixed... and no matter how many times I run update, one
list still doesn't report back that update's already been run.  But
check_db says it's databases are fine.

Could this list be the whole problem?  And if so, what's the problem?  The
timing of the error would suggest to me that it could be nothing but a
permissions problem, but I'm almost positive all that's fixed.

Any more clues would be great.
J.
-- 
   -----------------
     Jeme A Brelin
    jeme at brelin.net
   -----------------
 [cc] counter-copyright
 http://www.openlaw.org




From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 23 23:16:57 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:16:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms Help (AGAIN)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102230940420.23209-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>
Message-ID: <3A96E159.9569E3B0@west.sun.com>

> I don't have a list_lists command (this is 1.1.  Neither of my
> installations has a list_lists), 

Forget everything I said.  I have no idea how to help someone running
1.1.  Upgrade.



From services at metagency.com  Sat Feb 24 01:39:08 2001
From: services at metagency.com (METAgency)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:39:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Can't turn it off!
Message-ID: <3A97029E.5F934300@metagency.com>

I have taken mailman off my machine for the moment, but cron is sending
me an email every minute with this message:
/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
Can someone please tell me how to stop the emails? There isn't any
crontab, and I'm not finding anything that is causing cron to look for
mailman

Thanks
KD




From osmosis at atfantasy.com  Sat Feb 24 03:06:05 2001
From: osmosis at atfantasy.com (Ed Lazor)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:06:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Can't turn it off!
In-Reply-To: <3A97029E.5F934300@metagency.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20010223180522.00b98e70@mail.atfantasy.com>

When you say there's no crontab, have you checked

/etc/crontab

or logged in as root (or mailman) and run

crontab -e

?

At 04:39 PM 2/23/2001 -0800, METAgency wrote:
>I have taken mailman off my machine for the moment, but cron is sending
>me an email every minute with this message:
>/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
>Can someone please tell me how to stop the emails? There isn't any
>crontab, and I'm not finding anything that is causing cron to look for
>mailman
>
>Thanks
>KD
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From kole at metagency.com  Sat Feb 24 03:14:34 2001
From: kole at metagency.com (METAgency)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:14:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Can't turn it off!
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20010223180522.00b98e70@mail.atfantasy.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.0.20010223180522.00b98e70@mail.atfantasy.com>
Message-ID: <v04210101b6bcc886b02e@[64.42.17.178]>

Found the answer, guys. In /var/log/spool is a file called root that 
contains crontab commands. I moved it out of the spool and the 
problem is solved. It contained a line that tried to gate mail, and 
when it didn't find the file it needed it ultimately emailed me the 
error...EVERY 5 FREAKING MINUTES!  ;)

KD


>When you say there's no crontab, have you checked
>
>/etc/crontab
>
>or logged in as root (or mailman) and run
>
>crontab -e
>
>?
>
>At 04:39 PM 2/23/2001 -0800, METAgency wrote:
>>I have taken mailman off my machine for the moment, but cron is sending
>>me an email every minute with this message:
>>/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'
>>Can someone please tell me how to stop the emails? There isn't any
>>crontab, and I'm not finding anything that is causing cron to look for
>>mailman
>>
>>Thanks
>>KD
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------
>>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

________________________________________
METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
Toll-free: (888) 298-3648  - Serving California and Nevada
http://www.metagency.com



From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Sat Feb 24 04:34:23 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:34:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Can't turn it off!
Message-ID: <200102240332.TAA22799@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Found the answer, guys. In /var/log/spool is a file called root that 
> contains crontab commands. 

...uh...that's a crontab.




From john at serion.co.nz  Sat Feb 24 05:30:07 2001
From: john at serion.co.nz (john at serion.co.nz)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:30:07 +1300 (NZDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Servers
In-Reply-To: <3A94B25D.1D5CFA9B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <XFMail.20010224173007.john@serion.co.nz>

On 22-Feb-2001 Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
> 
>     What should I do with mailman, and it's aliases if I have multiple
> MX servers for a domain?  When the actual mailman server is busy sending
> out email, incoming mail is/can be redirected to a second (backup)
> server that isn't as busy.  However, that backup doesn't have mailman on
> it so, uh...nothing happens, it just bounces.  Both servers are running
> sendmail.  Any ideas?

Why don't you set up a dummy MX for the server that mailman is on and always
have mailman use that same server?

Alternatively create a aliase on the second mail server which forwards the
mailman mail to the real server.

Cheers
John 

-- 
John Vorstermans
Serion E-Commerce Solutions




From jeme at brelin.net  Sat Feb 24 07:32:50 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:32:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Perms Help (AGAIN)
In-Reply-To: <3A96E159.9569E3B0@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102232231430.26664-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Dan Mick wrote:
> > I don't have a list_lists command (this is 1.1.  Neither of my
> > installations has a list_lists), 
> 
> Forget everything I said.  I have no idea how to help someone running
> 1.1.  Upgrade.

Well, my original post included questions regarding an upgrade... but it
was soundly ignored.

If I just do an upgrade over the top, I assume there are appropriate make
targets or scripts to transition things seamlessly?

J.
-- 
   -----------------
     Jeme A Brelin
    jeme at brelin.net
   -----------------
 [cc] counter-copyright
 http://www.openlaw.org




From jacoposilva at tin.it  Sat Feb 24 16:09:55 2001
From: jacoposilva at tin.it (Jacopo Silva)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:09:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Outlook - Notify
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010224160952.00a0c070@box.tin.it>

If someone sends to a list a message with
a request to the readers of notifying when
read, the list-admin will be flooded of
messages.

Any ideas on "cleaning' any message from
request of notification before posting to
list members?

Jacopo




From MAIL_CAR at trainyardsoftware.com  Sat Feb 24 16:31:40 2001
From: MAIL_CAR at trainyardsoftware.com (MAIL_CAR)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:31:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailling List
Message-ID: <000701c09e76$e660b180$943d0b18@adubn1.nj.home.com>

I own a webhosting company and use your software.  I have a problem that
your mailing list doesnt let his name with "." in it


e.g.     "hgs.in.london"  it makes "hgsinlondon", not good FIX it now.

so here I ask can this be done?






Thank you for your time.

Edward Oden CEO
EdwardOden at trainyardsoftware.com
TRAIN YARD SOFYWARE
www.trainyardsoftware.com




From dbrauer at uswest.net  Sat Feb 24 18:55:26 2001
From: dbrauer at uswest.net (David Brauer)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:55:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabiling attachments?
Message-ID: <NDBBIDDLELAFCKKPLCHDMEMDEEAA.dbrauer@uswest.net>

My list just had a virus come through on a member's Active-X attachment.

I can't find an option in the Mailman administrative interface that will
forbid, or disable attachments.

Is there any way to do this? I've found our list works best when messages
are restricted to plain text, no attachments.

Thanks for any help anyone can give. Please also contact me directly at
dbrauer at uswest.net

Sincerely,
David Brauer
http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls





From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Feb 24 19:40:00 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:40:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] load across servers
Message-ID: <3A980000.DC510784@pcraft.com>

    Has anyone tried installing mailman on one server, in a directory
that's NFS mounted on a second machine (so that mailman is essentially
available on both servers), and have the load be distributed across both
machines?

    In other words: have the entire mailman config and db files, NFS
mounted on server two.  Mirror the sendmail aliases files and set the
servers up so that for sendmail, one is a master, and one is a backup so
that when one server becomes busy (sending mail out), the other can
receive mail for mailman, process it, and send mail out as well (instead
of having to wait for the primary server to become available)?

    Theoretically, if that works, one should also be able to do the same
for the web interface.  Instead of having one single web server to
serve, setup a second one (same name, different IP, using round robin)
that can do the same.  Since the main mailman files are really only on
one machine (but visible through NFS on the other) it ought to work, no?

    Comments?

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From stanton at livsform.com  Sun Feb 25 05:57:26 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:57:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error
	anywhere...
In-Reply-To: <3A96E109.C568018E@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <B6BDFAE5.B6A%stanton@livsform.com>

No, the ~mailman/logs/error file is empty.

-stanton

-- 

Stanton Schell
livsform design group
stanton at livsform.com
703-538-3491
703-989-6591

> From: Dan Mick <dan.mick at west.sun.com>
> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:15:37 -0800
> To: Stanton Schell <stanton at livsform.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] FW: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error
> anywhere...
> 
> 
> So are the cron jobs running?  Are they reporting any errors to user mailman?
> Are they reporting any errors in ~mailman/logs/error?
> 
> Stanton Schell wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry, I executed the crontab command in installation as well...
>> 
>> -stanton
>> 
>>> You don't mention cron.  Why is that?
>>> 
>>> Stanton Schell wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello ,
>>>> I posted this email yesterday.  I just have one thing to add - this same
>>>> problem also occurs on the out-of-the-box installation of RedHat 6.2 as
>> well...
>>>> 
>>>> -stanton
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> Stanton Schell
>>>> livsform design group
>>>> stanton at livsform.com
>>>> 703-538-3491
>>>> 703-989-6591
>>>> 
>>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>>> From: Stanton Schell <stanton at livsform.com>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:13:25 -0500
>>>>> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
>>>>> Subject: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... Using Sendmail
>> on
>>>>> RH7
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am having an unusual problem that is leaving no trail whatsoever.  I
>> have
>>>>> been through the Install docs and almost the entire mailing list archives
>> and
>>>>> nothing (well, similar problems, but not a problem at exactly the same
>>>>> sopt...).
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, I have set up MM in the directory /mailman on my machine.  I have set
>> up
>>>>> a test list called "speak".  The admin and listinfo sections are working
>> and
>>>>> so is the CGI part entirely as far as I can see.  I tried subscribing to
>>>>> this
>>>>> list as a user and get the confirmation email as expected.  I then reply
>>>>> and
>>>>> then.. nothing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is my Sendmail log entries for the email, which show nothing
>> wrong:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Feb 21 23:18:29 mies sendmail[23475]: f1M4ITZ23475:
>>>>> from=<stanton at livsform.com>, size=1462, class=0, nrcpts=1,
>>>>> msgid=<B6B9FDA8.A17%stanton at livsform.com>, proto=ESMTP,
>> daemon=MTA,
>>>>> relay=w120.z064000106.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.106.120]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Feb 21 23:18:32 mies sendmail[23476]: f1M4ITZ23475: to="|/etc/smrsh/
>> wrapper
>>>>> mailcmd speak", ctladdr=<speak-request at talktothedogg.com> (8/0),
>>>>> delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=31044, dsn=2.0.0,
>> stat=Sent
>>>>> 
>>>>> I tested sendmail to make sure it could execute another script and it can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The user is not signed up and the pending status is still on the
>> subscription
>>>>> request in ~/logs/subscribe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> {As a side note, I also think it is odd that I have signed up for this
>>>>> list,
>>>>> received the confirmation email immediately, replied to it, all in the
>>>>> same
>>>>> fashion and have still not heard back from mailman at python.org for a
>> few
>>>>> hours...}
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any help would be appreciated :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> -stanton schell
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Stanton Schell
>>>>> livsform design group
>>>>> stanton at livsform.com
>>>>> 703-538-3491
>>>>> 703-989-6591
>>>> 
>>>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>> 
>> --
>> Stanton Schell
>> stanton at livsform.com
>> 703.989.6591
>> 703.538.3491




From johnm at ic5.net  Sun Feb 25 20:19:37 2001
From: johnm at ic5.net (John McGarrigle)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:19:37 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Continured mail problems..
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGGEKBDEAA.johnm@ic5.net>

Mailman dosn't seem to like me much...;

The original message was received at Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:08:52 GMT
from [192.168.5.2]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post opers"
    (expanded from: <opers at afternet.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main
    msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in Enqueue
    dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 606, in open_ex
    fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/f42e17ac3c90c04cba96ae5608d5929d444f21cf.db'
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post opers"... unknown mailer error 1

Any tips? :)

OS: FreeBSD
MTA: Sendmail
Python V 2.0
Mailman V 2.1

Please CC your response to me at neuron at easynet.co.uk.. my mailserver is
having a fit just now - (not the one mailman is running on :)

Thanks!

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----




From johnm at ic5.net  Sun Feb 25 20:59:39 2001
From: johnm at ic5.net (John McGarrigle)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:59:39 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Continured mail problems..
In-Reply-To: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGGEKBDEAA.johnm@ic5.net>
Message-ID: <NEBBKHCHALEHONLIDNJGCEKFDEAA.johnm@ic5.net>

Pleaee ignore this.. I feel such an ass for even ASKING about this &%$

That'll teach me to read error messages.. completely :)

Sorry,

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of John McGarrigle
Sent: 25 February 2001 7:20 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Continured mail problems..


Mailman dosn't seem to like me much...;

The original message was received at Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:08:52 GMT
from [192.168.5.2]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post opers"
    (expanded from: <opers at afternet.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 94, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 89, in main
    msg.Enqueue(mlist, tolist=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in Enqueue
    dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 606, in open_ex
    fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/qfiles/f42e17ac3c90c04cba96ae5608d5929d444f21cf.db'
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post opers"... unknown mailer error 1

Any tips? :)

OS: FreeBSD
MTA: Sendmail
Python V 2.0
Mailman V 2.1

Please CC your response to me at neuron at easynet.co.uk.. my mailserver is
having a fit just now - (not the one mailman is running on :)

Thanks!

----
John 'Neuron' McGarrigle
Email: johnm at ic5.net
ICQ: 18220396
Phone: +44 (0)7944 604 644
----


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Mon Feb 26 00:49:23 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:49:23 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailling List
References: <000701c09e76$e660b180$943d0b18@adubn1.nj.home.com>
Message-ID: <3A999A03.65CD212D@uts.edu.au>

My lists work just fine, and all our users have "."'s in their email
addresses, and we have both 1.0 and 2.0 installations of mailman.

MAIL_CAR wrote:
> 
> I own a webhosting company and use your software.  I have a problem that
> your mailing list doesnt let his name with "." in it
> 
> e.g.     "hgs.in.london"  it makes "hgsinlondon", not good FIX it now.
> 
> so here I ask can this be done?
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> Edward Oden CEO
> EdwardOden at trainyardsoftware.com
> TRAIN YARD SOFYWARE
> www.trainyardsoftware.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
T?o de Hesselle
Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From tonmo at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 26 04:18:05 2001
From: tonmo at earthlink.net (Tony Morelli)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:18:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Closed Newsletter, No Password
Message-ID: <LOBBLGPFNJFPDPJPPNGOIEEPDFAA.tonmo@earthlink.net>

Hello,

I am *not* a programmer or developer -- but I want to provide visitors to my
site a newsletter service that adheres to the following:

+ Completely closed list -- only the listowner may send messages to the
list.
+ NO password required for subscribing or unsubscribing.
+ Double opt-in, of course.

Can I do this with MailMan without coding?

-- TM


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From sysadmin at ocean.com.au  Mon Feb 26 06:05:52 2001
From: sysadmin at ocean.com.au (Jonathan Benson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:05:52 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... 
 UsingSendmail on RH7  ... And 6.2
References: <B6BB1B79.A8B%stanton@livsform.com>
Message-ID: <3A99E430.AEE03134@ocean.com.au>

I had similar problems.

I ended up doing the following as root:
cron -u mailman crontab.in

If you search the archives someone posted about this a while back.

It should really be added to the README.LINUX I guess.


Jon

Stanton Schell wrote:

> Hello ,
> I posted this email yesterday.  I just have one thing to add - this same
> problem also occurs on the out-of-the-box installation of RedHat 6.2 as
> well...
>
> -stanton
> --
>
> Stanton Schell
> livsform design group
> stanton at livsform.com
> 703-538-3491
> 703-989-6591
>
> ------ Forwarded Message
> > From: Stanton Schell <stanton at livsform.com>
> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:13:25 -0500
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Subject: 1. Subscribe  2. Reply  3. No Error anywhere... Using Sendmail on RH7
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am having an unusual problem that is leaving no trail whatsoever.  I have
> > been through the Install docs and almost the entire mailing list archives and
> > nothing (well, similar problems, but not a problem at exactly the same
> > sopt...).
> >
> > So, I have set up MM in the directory /mailman on my machine.  I have set up a
> > test list called "speak".  The admin and listinfo sections are working and so
> > is the CGI part entirely as far as I can see.  I tried subscribing to this
> > list as a user and get the confirmation email as expected.  I then reply and
> > then.. nothing.
> >
> > Here is my Sendmail log entries for the email, which show nothing wrong:
> >
> > Feb 21 23:18:29 mies sendmail[23475]: f1M4ITZ23475:
> > from=<stanton at livsform.com>, size=1462, class=0, nrcpts=1,
> > msgid=<B6B9FDA8.A17%stanton at livsform.com>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA,
> > relay=w120.z064000106.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [64.0.106.120]
> >
> > Feb 21 23:18:32 mies sendmail[23476]: f1M4ITZ23475: to="|/etc/smrsh/wrapper
> > mailcmd speak", ctladdr=<speak-request at talktothedogg.com> (8/0),
> > delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, pri=31044, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
> >
> > I tested sendmail to make sure it could execute another script and it can.
> >
> > The user is not signed up and the pending status is still on the subscription
> > request in ~/logs/subscribe.
> >
> > {As a side note, I also think it is odd that I have signed up for this list,
> > received the confirmation email immediately, replied to it, all in the same
> > fashion and have still not heard back from mailman at python.org for a few
> > hours...}
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated :-)
> >
> > -stanton schell
> > --
> >
> > Stanton Schell
> > livsform design group
> > stanton at livsform.com
> > 703-538-3491
> > 703-989-6591
>
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Jonathan Benson
Systems Administrator
Ocean Internet
http://www.ocean.com.au/






From smw at pixel.citadel.org  Mon Feb 26 15:59:52 2001
From: smw at pixel.citadel.org (Steve Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:59:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0.1
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102260958220.28627-100000@pixel.citadel.org>

 Ok, I've got it set up and it's running and it's fun.  BUT...


 When I set up a mail-news gateway mailman seems to dump the imported
newsgroups files into /tmp, and then leave them there.  Is this a known
issue, and if so, is there a fix?  OR should I just have cron nuke those
files after a specified time?

 Thanks!

 -Steve





From E.J.Mytton at uel.ac.uk  Mon Feb 26 15:41:18 2001
From: E.J.Mytton at uel.ac.uk (Jill Mytton)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:41:18 GMT0BST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <200102261537.PAA16336@sinclair.uel.ac.uk>

 I am a lecturer at the University of East London and have been 
running a discussion list using mailman via the university server. 
However the head of my department is now concerned about the 
 legal implications of  using UEL as the server for a list that is for 
 former members of a cult. Although not a therapy group not a data 
collection group he remains concerned.
 
 To make life simpler I would therefore like to run the group without 
going via the UEL server but am not sure whether this is possible,. 
 I have been very pleased with the facilities offered by mailman and 
 would like to continue to use it.

Hope that this is clear - I am not known for being very clear when 
explaining!

Jill


Jill Mytton, MSc., C.Psychol.,
Counselling Psychologist,
Dept of Psychology
University of East London,
Romford Road
London E15 4LZ
Phone: 020 8223 4456
E-mail: E.J.Mytton at uel.ac.uk



From alessio at sevenseas.org  Sun Feb 25 07:54:00 2001
From: alessio at sevenseas.org (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:54:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabiling attachments?
In-Reply-To: <NDBBIDDLELAFCKKPLCHDMEMDEEAA.dbrauer@uswest.net>; from dbrauer@uswest.net on Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 11:55:26AM -0600
References: <NDBBIDDLELAFCKKPLCHDMEMDEEAA.dbrauer@uswest.net>
Message-ID: <20010225085400.B701@abulafia.sevenseas.org>

David Brauer:

> I can't find an option in the Mailman administrative interface that
> will forbid, or disable attachments.

There isn't such an option in Mailman itself, but most sites who wish
to do so use the demime <http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html> filter.

-- 
Alessio F. Bragadini		alessio at sevenseas.org

La Citta` Invisibile: notizie e dibattiti per i cittadini della Rete
http://www.citinv.it



From seidl at vex.cs.colorado.edu  Mon Feb 26 18:26:44 2001
From: seidl at vex.cs.colorado.edu (Matthew Seidl)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:26:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with DNS resolutions
Message-ID: <200102261726.f1QHQjI23820@vex.cs.colorado.edu>

I have a person on one of my lists who's DNS server went away.  Ever
since, all the messages sent to me mailman setup seem to be getting
stuck.  Even to lists this person is not on.  Some log execerts.

post:

Feb 26 09:49:08 2001 (20692) post to duelists from cm_edanya at yahoo.com, size=888, 1 failures
Feb 26 09:51:51 2001 (20692) post to duelists from patricel at aol.com, size=334, 1 failures
Feb 26 09:57:43 2001 (21510) post to duelists from cm_edanya at yahoo.com, size=440, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:00:26 2001 (21510) post to duelists from nimrod at pnv.net, size=2180, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:03:09 2001 (21510) post to duelists from cm_edanya at yahoo.com, size=888, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:05:51 2001 (21510) post to duelists from patricel at aol.com, size=334, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:08:34 2001 (21510) post to awakeners from luminous_shadows at usa.net, size=291, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:11:17 2001 (21510) post to duelists from seidl at vex.cs.colorado.edu, size=660, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:14:43 2001 (24185) post to duelists from cm_edanya at yahoo.com, size=440, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:17:26 2001 (24185) post to duelists from nimrod at pnv.net, size=2180, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:20:09 2001 (24185) post to duelists from cm_edanya at yahoo.com, size=888, 1 failures
Feb 26 10:22:51 2001 (24185) post to duelists from patricel at aol.com, size=334, 1 failures



smtp-failure:

Feb 26 09:57:43 2001 (21510) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:00:26 2001 (21510) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:03:09 2001 (21510) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:05:51 2001 (21510) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:08:34 2001 (21510) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:11:17 2001 (21510) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:14:43 2001 (24185) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:17:26 2001 (24185) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:20:09 2001 (24185) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)
Feb 26 10:22:51 2001 (24185) 450 punzel at erzo.org (4.7.1 <punzel at erzo.org>... Can not check MX records for recipient host erzo.org)



smtp:

Feb 26 10:03:09 2001 (21510) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.429 seconds
Feb 26 10:05:51 2001 (21510) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.442 seconds
Feb 26 10:08:34 2001 (21510) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.520 seconds
Feb 26 10:11:17 2001 (21510) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.434 seconds
Feb 26 10:14:43 2001 (24185) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.435 seconds
Feb 26 10:17:26 2001 (24185) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.426 seconds
Feb 26 10:20:09 2001 (24185) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.431 seconds
Feb 26 10:22:51 2001 (24185) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 162.426 seconds



The sytem is FreeBSD 4.2, using Sendmail 8.11.1.  Until this happened,
everything was working fine.  So, is this a mailman bug, where its
getting stuck on only messages to this person?  Or a sendmail issue
with not delivering past the bad address?  The thing that's really
confusing me is the messages in the qfiles directory for lists that
the bad user isn't on that are not being delivered.

Help?

-=- Matthew L. Seidl 		email: seidl at cs.colorado.edu                =-=
=-= Graduate Student 			Project . . . What Project?	    -=-
-=- http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~seidl/Home.html          -Morrow Quotes     =-=
=-= http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~seidl/lawsuit                               -=-



From rick at rickster.org  Mon Feb 26 18:28:39 2001
From: rick at rickster.org (Rick Stirling)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:28:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabiling attachments?
References: <NDBBIDDLELAFCKKPLCHDMEMDEEAA.dbrauer@uswest.net> <20010225085400.B701@abulafia.sevenseas.org>
Message-ID: <007801c0a019$8fd4fa20$dbc966a6@sitaram>

You could add the term "Content-Disposition:.*attachment" to the "Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp." section
of the Privacy set-up page.

This would at least hold those documents with attachments for your approval or destruction.

Rick Stirling

> David Brauer:
>
> > I can't find an option in the Mailman administrative interface that
> > will forbid, or disable attachments.
>
> There isn't such an option in Mailman itself, but most sites who wish
> to do so use the demime <http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html> filter.
>
> --
> Alessio F. Bragadini alessio at sevenseas.org
>
> La Citta` Invisibile: notizie e dibattiti per i cittadini della Rete
> http://www.citinv.it





From said.elmamouni at math.univ-nantes.fr  Mon Feb 26 18:54:01 2001
From: said.elmamouni at math.univ-nantes.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Sa=EFd?= El Mamouni)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:54:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing mailman
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010226183922.00ad9a38@lebesgue.math.sciences.univ-nantes.fr>

hello

My english is not very well, so i hope someone understand me.
On my network there is a server (tru64 unix) with assume these services : 
sendmail, NIS, NFS
I want to know if i can install mailman on another computer (linux RH6 
witch is a composant of my NIS) whithout apache and sendmail
Mailman will use the sendmail of the NIS server

thanks!

  



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Mon Feb 26 18:48:46 2001
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:18:46 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <200102261537.PAA16336@sinclair.uel.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102262313550.1069-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Feb 26, 2001 at 15:41, Jill Mytton wrote:

> I am a lecturer at the University of East London and have been 
>running a discussion list using mailman via the university server. 

> To make life simpler I would therefore like to run the group without 
>going via the UEL server but am not sure whether this is possible,. 

Grab the list of addresses and take it to someone else running a
mailman server.

>Hope that this is clear - I am not known for being very clear when 
>explaining!

Well, you're a lecturer... :-)

-- 
Satya. <URL:http://satya.virtualave.net/>
US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
Obi Wan Kenobi at the dinner table: 'Use the Forks, Luke!'




From alex at phred.org  Mon Feb 26 19:26:57 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:26:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabiling attachments?
References: <NDBBIDDLELAFCKKPLCHDMEMDEEAA.dbrauer@uswest.net> <20010225085400.B701@abulafia.sevenseas.org>
Message-ID: <12fc01c0a021$b4959240$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

From: "Alessio Bragadini" <alessio at sevenseas.org>
> David Brauer:
>
> > I can't find an option in the Mailman administrative interface that
> > will forbid, or disable attachments.
>
> There isn't such an option in Mailman itself, but most sites who wish
> to do so use the demime <http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html> filter.

Or the stripmime filter (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl).  Much
different underlying implementations with the same goal.

alex




From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Mon Feb 26 14:58:31 2001
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:58:31 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains and mailman
Message-ID: <3A9A6107.BAEA5E9D@forestry.umn.edu>

I would like to set up a list on my office machine to be accessible to
the outside world without using my machine's domain name
(bla.bla.bla.umn.edu). Is it possible to:

1. create some kind of virtual domain like whateverdomain.net that the
outside could type into a browser and find my machine at
bla.bla.bla.umn.edu?

2. Configure a mailman list to use that virtual domain in it's list name
instead of http://bla.bla.bla.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/whateverlistname

Any and all advice on this would be greatly appreciated,

Kirk



From stanton at livsform.com  Mon Feb 26 21:06:10 2001
From: stanton at livsform.com (Stanton Schell)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:06:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domains and mailman
In-Reply-To: <3A9A6107.BAEA5E9D@forestry.umn.edu>
References: <3A9A6107.BAEA5E9D@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <50580.206.144.26.44.983217970.squirrel@miesmail.livsform.com>

If you would like to simply have the list use another domain, configure the 
domain you would like the list to use in the list admin section towards the 
bottom. (This is, of course, in addition to creating the virtual site in your web 
server and having your MTA receive email for that domain)

However, if you would like a full separation of virtual domains, where you can 
have multiple lists with the same name going to different domains (e.g., 
list1 at whateverdomain.net as well as list1 at bla.bla.bla.umn.edu), see this 
thorough and effective treatment from the archive:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-October/007022.html

-stanton
-- 
Stanton Schell
stanton at livsform.com
703.989.6591
703.538.3491


> I would like to set up a list on my office machine to be accessible to the
> outside world without using my machine's domain name
> (bla.bla.bla.umn.edu). Is it possible to:
> 
> 1. create some kind of virtual domain like whateverdomain.net that the 
outside
> could type into a browser and find my machine at
> bla.bla.bla.umn.edu?
> 
> 2. Configure a mailman list to use that virtual domain in it's list name instead
> of http://bla.bla.bla.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/whateverlistname
> 
> Any and all advice on this would be greatly appreciated,
> 
> Kirk
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users






From gaydos at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Feb 26 22:07:33 2001
From: gaydos at raleigh.ibm.com (gaydos at raleigh.ibm.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:07:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin interface hang
Message-ID: <20010226160733.A5701@raleigh.ibm.com>

Greetings.  Recently a number of folks have complained
that the admin web interface hangs for one of their mailing
lists, while the other admin interfaces for their other
lists work fine.
We just had a similar incident.  In our case the culprit
turned out to be the netscape cookie file on the machine
the list admin was using.  We renamed the cookie file
and cleared the stale mailman locks and he could reliably
use the admin interface.  As soon as we put the original
cookie file back the hangs came back.
The user is reluctant to send his cookie file to me for
testing so I don't think I'll get any closer to the real
culprit.
I'm hoping that someone else having this issue might
be able to fix their problem similarly, and possibly
find the secret of the bad cookie.

Thanks, Gary




From crzwbbt at aol.com  Mon Feb 26 23:12:06 2001
From: crzwbbt at aol.com (bunny)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 16:12:06 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unable to login to private archives
Message-ID: <3A9AD4B6.8485E82B@us.ibm.com>

I have all the features operational except the login to the private
archives. I have been unable to find any information on any special
setup required.  I have 2.0 beta 5 and 2.0.1 ( on separate machines).
Any ideas as to what I am missing?

thx in advance




From ashley at pcraft.com  Mon Feb 26 23:40:31 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:40:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock files
Message-ID: <3A9ADB5F.7F11566E@pcraft.com>

    When does mailman create file locks, and for how long do they
exist?  (i know they will linger around if the program crashed, but
under normal operation, how long?)

    AMK4

--
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  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
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From say_it_again at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 27 04:59:02 2001
From: say_it_again at yahoo.com (Say It)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:59:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing verify.txt (confirmation messages).
Message-ID: <20010227035902.59729.qmail@web10011.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello, I'm using mailman1.1 (linux - debian) and have
multiple mailman lists setup.  I have one particular
list which needs to have the subscription confirmation
message customized.  

Background: the name of the particular list is not
descriptive of the company and neither is the
domainname, so when a user gets a confirmation request
to subscribe, they may not remember they had signed up
for that list. 

I looked around at my files and i see a verify.txt
file in /etc/mailman.  That appears to be the file
mailman uses to compose its email confirmation
request.

The file looks like: 
We have received a request%(remote)s for subscription
of your email address, <%(email)s>, to the
%(listaddr)s mailing list.  To confirm ... 

I guess I could edit the verify.txt and customize it,
but I believe that would affect my other existing
lists.

Is there a way to customize it so that it only affects
that particular list and not the others?  Or, is there
some setting where you can tell a particular list to
use a different set of config files besides
/etc/mailman?


And, on another note, does any one know how to "clone"
a list (not a user).  I'm setting up a bunch of lists
that all need the same preferences (archive off,
moderated, etc.).  The only difference is that the
name of the lists will be dfferent. Is there a way to
setup the lists so I don't have to go through all of
the admin html pages for each list?

TIA,
Chris


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. 
http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/



From dmick at utopia.west.sun.com  Tue Feb 27 05:44:44 2001
From: dmick at utopia.west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:44:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing verify.txt (confirmation messages).
Message-ID: <200102270442.UAA29827@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Is there a way to customize it so that it only affects
> that particular list and not the others?  Or, is there
> some setting where you can tell a particular list to
> use a different set of config files besides
> /etc/mailman?

There's a patch I made to make list-specific templates.
It's on Sourceforge.

Mailman 2.1 will be language-localized, and also allow
per-list templates, I believe.
 
> And, on another note, does any one know how to "clone"
> a list (not a user).  I'm setting up a bunch of lists
> that all need the same preferences (archive off,
> moderated, etc.).  The only difference is that the
> name of the lists will be dfferent. Is there a way to
> setup the lists so I don't have to go through all of
> the admin html pages for each list?

bin/config_list will help (send the output to a file, edit
it, and read the input from the file)




From sysadmin at ocean.com.au  Tue Feb 27 06:02:50 2001
From: sysadmin at ocean.com.au (Jonathan Benson)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:02:50 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin interface hang
References: <20010226160733.A5701@raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <3A9B34FA.91EFAB33@ocean.com.au>

Thank you!!

How did you track this problem?

I've found and removed the offending lines in my cookie file and can finally
admin lists again.  :)

This would seem to indicate a bug in mailman's handling of cookies though?!

In my case the offending cookies were for the domain ".com.au"   My mailman
server being at "lists.ocean.com.au".

I've attached the culprits if anyone can figure out why they crash the admin
interface and fix it in a new version so it no longer occurs that would be
great!   Hopefully they don't contain anything important.  :)


Regards

Jon

gaydos at raleigh.ibm.com wrote:

> Greetings.  Recently a number of folks have complained
> that the admin web interface hangs for one of their mailing
> lists, while the other admin interfaces for their other
> lists work fine.
> We just had a similar incident.  In our case the culprit
> turned out to be the netscape cookie file on the machine
> the list admin was using.  We renamed the cookie file
> and cleared the stale mailman locks and he could reliably
> use the admin interface.  As soon as we put the original
> cookie file back the hangs came back.
> The user is reluctant to send his cookie file to me for
> testing so I don't think I'll get any closer to the real
> culprit.
> I'm hoping that someone else having this issue might
> be able to fix their problem similarly, and possibly
> find the secret of the bad cookie.
>
> Thanks, Gary
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Jonathan Benson
Systems Administrator
Ocean Internet
http://www.ocean.com.au/


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From jargon at modulo.org  Tue Feb 27 06:31:51 2001
From: jargon at modulo.org (ben h kram)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 00:31:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customizing verify.txt (confirmation messages).
In-Reply-To: <200102270442.UAA29827@utopia.west.sun.com>; from dmick@utopia.west.sun.com on Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 08:44:44PM -0800
References: <200102270442.UAA29827@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20010227003151.C10297@modulo.org>

> There's a patch I made to make list-specific templates.
> It's on Sourceforge.
> Mailman 2.1 will be language-localized, and also allow
> per-list templates, I believe.

Does that mean that lists will be able to be located in different places as well?

I'm working in a mass virtualhosting environment - so I need true isolation (list name domain constrained by domain, not the whole system) and installing mailman 200+ times doesn't seem to be a good solution.

.b

-- 
And something thought or done or wished without
a little innocence,although it were
as red as terror and as green as fate,
greyly shall fail and dully disappear--
		e.e. cummings



From PBoshoff at mweb.com  Tue Feb 27 17:28:17 2001
From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:28:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] promotion !
Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FEAB4@za14nt02.mweb.com>

Hi,

I would like to know if it is possible to use Mailman as promotion tool!
All I would like is to send mail to a number of users, and all reply must me
send back to ONE e-mail address and not the list even if reply to all is
selected.

Thanks

>  Pieter Boshoff
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
>  unix sys admin
> Tel: +27 11 340 7256
> Fax: +27 11 340 7288
> Cell: +27 83 600 4095
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
> M-WEB Business Solutions
> Making it happen.
> 
> Go shopping @ http://shopping.mweb.co.za 
> Get your business online @ http://business.mweb.com  
> 
> 



From john at remuda.net  Tue Feb 27 18:14:58 2001
From: john at remuda.net (John Graf)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:14:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Installation Problems
Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.2.20010227090643.03c742a8@pop5.ins.com>

I hate to ask a question that has probably been asked a dozen times, but I 
have not been able to find an answer by searching the archives, the readme 
files, or the web.

I have a new installation of Mailman (2.0beta5-1) on a Redhat 6.2 box with 
Sendmail.  I moved my list of 218 members from a listbot server, and 
everything SEEMS to work fine, except that a large number of the 218 
members aren't getting messages.

There is nothing in the error log, but the bounce log is filling up with 
entries.  I did a grep on a few addresses that aren't getting the mail and 
I see:

         name at hotmail.com - 2 more allowed over 278543 secs
         name at hotmail.com - 1 more allowed over 2xxxxx secs
         name at hotmail.com - 0 more allowed over 2xxxxx secs
         name at hotmail.com - 0 more allowed over 2xxxxx secs
         etc . . .

I can use sendmail to get to these addresses just fine, btw.  Any help 
would be appreciated!

John
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From neilk at ActiveState.com  Tue Feb 27 20:54:02 2001
From: neilk at ActiveState.com (Neil Kandalgaonkar)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:54:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Massive list prevents other lists' posts?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20010227090643.03c742a8@pop5.ins.com>; from john@remuda.net on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 09:14:58AM -0800
References: <5.0.1.4.2.20010227090643.03c742a8@pop5.ins.com>
Message-ID: <20010227115402.D26177@latte.ActiveState.com>

We're using Mailman to manage many lists. Our announcement list
is very large, 50,000+ users. 

Whenever we post a message to the very large list, posts stop
flowing from the others.

I've looked through the Mailman source to figure out why, and I'm stumped.
It seems to me that nothing should be impeding the other lists from 
injecting their messages into the queue, interleaved with the mass 
mailout from the announcement list.

If I add a new member to a list, that member gets their welcome message
instantly. So there isn't a fundamental resource limitation here. A post
to that list, however, doesn't get through.

Any suggestions on how to fix this?

-- 
Neil Kandalgaonkar
Web App Developer, ActiveState



From matt.holtz at voyager.net  Tue Feb 27 20:57:43 2001
From: matt.holtz at voyager.net (Matt Holtz)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:57:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0beta6
Message-ID: <20010227145743.X9554@voyager.net>

Hello Everyone,
We use mailman for an internal mail server.  Recently several of the
mail list addresses have been getting a ton of spam.  I would like to
know if it is possible to include an entire domain as acceptable
addresses to send to a list?

i.e. there are 10 @voyager.net users on a specific list, but many
employees on the list (hundreds and it changes daily) need to be able to
send to this list, but no one from outside @voyager.net needs to send to
this list.  Is it possible to just allow @voyager.net to send to the
list?

I didn't see anything in the docs about it.  Putting just "@voyager.net"
didn't work, and neither did *@voyager.net.

I am using 2.0 beta 6.



Thanks,



-- 
Matt Holtz
Systems Engineer
CoreComm, formerly Voyager.net



From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 27 21:04:27 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] REPOST: Lock files
Message-ID: <3A9C084B.836C6FA2@pcraft.com>

    When does mailman create file locks, and for how long do they
exist?  (i know they will linger around if the program crashed, but
under normal operation, how long?)

    AMK4

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
  .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA



From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Feb 27 21:06:23 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:06:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Massive list prevents other lists' posts?
References: <5.0.1.4.2.20010227090643.03c742a8@pop5.ins.com> <20010227115402.D26177@latte.ActiveState.com>
Message-ID: <3A9C08BF.67B0E088@pcraft.com>

Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:

> Whenever we post a message to the very large list, posts stop
> flowing from the others.
>
> Any suggestions on how to fix this?

    This might not be mailman's doing.  This may be your MTA.  If it's too
busy spitting out messages, it'll refuse new connections till the load drops.
I know sendmail will stop receiving email if the system load gets too high.
It will also throttle itself if you have a high volume of messages going
through, and again, new messages will not be posted.

    AMK4

--
W |
  |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  |____________________________________________________________________
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
  http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
  .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA





From seidl at vex.cs.colorado.edu  Tue Feb 27 21:19:35 2001
From: seidl at vex.cs.colorado.edu (Matthew Seidl)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:19:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Massive list prevents other lists' posts? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:54:02 PST."
             <20010227115402.D26177@latte.ActiveState.com> 
Message-ID: <200102272019.f1RKJaI02384@vex.cs.colorado.edu>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:54:02 -0800, Neil Kandalgaonkar writes:
>
>We're using Mailman to manage many lists. Our announcement list
>is very large, 50,000+ users. 
>
>Whenever we post a message to the very large list, posts stop
>flowing from the others.
>
>I've looked through the Mailman source to figure out why, and I'm stumped.
>It seems to me that nothing should be impeding the other lists from 
>injecting their messages into the queue, interleaved with the mass 
>mailout from the announcement list.
>
>If I add a new member to a list, that member gets their welcome message
>instantly. So there isn't a fundamental resource limitation here. A post
>to that list, however, doesn't get through.
>
>Any suggestions on how to fix this?
>

I'm a total mailman neophite, but I'll take a stab.

I believe that mailman hands the mail and to list to sendmail
syncronisly.  So that qrunner waits till sendmail returns before it
goes on.  So it may take some time on a big chuck.

I believe a future release will have more multi-threading here, and
better qfile handling.  But I should let the master's speak.

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From john at remuda.net  Tue Feb 27 21:35:20 2001
From: john at remuda.net (John Graf)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:35:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Installation Problems
In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20010227090643.03c742a8@pop5.ins.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.2.20010227123314.03c34078@mail.remuda.net>

Well, I think I solved the problem myself.  I added "localhost.localdomain" 
to my access.db and gave it relaying permissions.  I am sure that this is a 
work-around and that I have something misconfigured in mailman, but I can't 
find it.

At any rate, everyone is getting their messages now.

John

At 09:14 AM 2/27/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>I hate to ask a question that has probably been asked a dozen times, but I 
>have not been able to find an answer by searching the archives, the readme 
>files, or the web.
>
>I have a new installation of Mailman (2.0beta5-1) on a Redhat 6.2 box with 
>Sendmail.  I moved my list of 218 members from a listbot server, and 
>everything SEEMS to work fine, except that a large number of the 218 
>members aren't getting messages.
>
>There is nothing in the error log, but the bounce log is filling up with 
>entries.  I did a grep on a few addresses that aren't getting the mail and 
>I see:
>
>         name at hotmail.com - 2 more allowed over 278543 secs
>         name at hotmail.com - 1 more allowed over 2xxxxx secs
>         name at hotmail.com - 0 more allowed over 2xxxxx secs
>         name at hotmail.com - 0 more allowed over 2xxxxx secs
>         etc . . .
>
>I can use sendmail to get to these addresses just fine, btw.  Any help 
>would be appreciated!
>
>John
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From jeme at brelin.net  Tue Feb 27 22:13:39 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:13:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade: Templates and whatnot (Chuq?)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102271311130.1367-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

I just upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0.1.

I just read about the html templates not getting updated.

I know for a fact that none of the web pages have been customized.  What
can I do to bulk-update my pages?

Thanks.
J.
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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Tue Feb 27 22:13:16 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:13:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] REPOST: Lock files
References: <3A9C084B.836C6FA2@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <3A9C186C.6599FDD3@west.sun.com>

Short unhelpful answer: as long as they're needed.

Time varies.  I believe most of the admin CGI scripts lock them only while
generating the form or processing form input; the qrunner I believe locks the
list while contacting the MTA to send the outgoing message (but it may drop
the locks and reacquire them).

Relatively-short periods of time, anyway, and if there's no python process
running, the lock shouldn't be held.

"Ashley M. Kirchner" wrote:
> 
>     When does mailman create file locks, and for how long do they
> exist?  (i know they will linger around if the program crashed, but
> under normal operation, how long?)
> 
>     AMK4
> 
> --
> W |
>   |  I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
>   |____________________________________________________________________
>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   Ashley M. Kirchner <mailto:ashley at pcraft.com>   .   303.442.6410 x130
>   SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
>   Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.             .        eFax 248.671.0909
>   http://www.pcraft.com                  .         3550 Arapahoe Ave #6
>   .................. .  .  .     .               Boulder, CO 80303, USA
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au  Tue Feb 27 22:28:17 2001
From: teo.dehesselle at uts.edu.au (Teo de Hesselle)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:28:17 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0beta6
References: <20010227145743.X9554@voyager.net>
Message-ID: <3A9C1BF1.373E25C@uts.edu.au>

You need to specify a regular expression, for example:

.*\@voyager\.net will do what you thought *@voyager.net would do.

This is because the . and @ have special meanings in regular
expressions. Unfortunately you still need to manually reject all the non
voyager addresses.

Matt Holtz wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> We use mailman for an internal mail server.  Recently several of the
> mail list addresses have been getting a ton of spam.  I would like to
> know if it is possible to include an entire domain as acceptable
> addresses to send to a list?
> 
> i.e. there are 10 @voyager.net users on a specific list, but many
> employees on the list (hundreds and it changes daily) need to be able to
> send to this list, but no one from outside @voyager.net needs to send to
> this list.  Is it possible to just allow @voyager.net to send to the
> list?
> 
> I didn't see anything in the docs about it.  Putting just "@voyager.net"
> didn't work, and neither did *@voyager.net.
> 
> I am using 2.0 beta 6.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Matt Holtz
> Systems Engineer
> CoreComm, formerly Voyager.net
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
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Email Administrator

Information Technology Division
University of Technology, Sydney



From hamilcar at webbite.dk  Tue Feb 27 23:54:42 2001
From: hamilcar at webbite.dk (Thomas Engelschmidt)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:54:42 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim using wrapper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102272334580.7897-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102272353520.7937-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

I'm having this problem with mails sent to the list, it seems that Exim
can't probably forward them to the wrappper. 

The wrapper has the following permisions: 
 -rwxr-sr-x    1 mailman  mailman     31419 Feb 27 22:47 wrapper
Exim is running as a deamon under root.

I have implemented the exim specific items as specified in the README.EXIM 
Except, that I have no exim user, so instead I've used mailman as the
user in the configuration exim.conf 

If you point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it very much.

best regards 

Thomas Engelschmidt 


I have included a part of a message that bounced.

------------------------------------
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  bongo@?????.dk:
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper
------------------------------------




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Feb 28 04:34:29 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:34:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Massive list prevents other lists' posts? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Neil Kandalgaonkar <neilk@ActiveState.com> 
   of "Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:54:02 PST." <20010227115402.D26177@latte.ActiveState.com> 
References: <5.0.1.4.2.20010227090643.03c742a8@pop5.ins.com>  <20010227115402.D26177@latte.ActiveState.com> 
Message-ID: <13550.983331269@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:54:02 -0800 
Neil Kandalgaonkar <neilk at ActiveState.com> wrote:

> We're using Mailman to manage many lists. Our announcement list is
> very large, 50,000+ users.

> Whenever we post a message to the very large list, posts stop
> flowing from the others.

This is a performance tuning problem.  You need to do a flowpath
analysis to see where your bottlenecks are and what is causing
them.  Probable causes:

  -- Bad choice of MTA (eg Sendmail)
  -- Bad configuration of MTA (eg list posts are DNS verified upon receipt)
  -- Bad name resolution support (eg no system-local DBS cache)
  -- Bad RCPT TO size bundling (mailman config)

> I've looked through the Mailman source to figure out why, and I'm
> stumped.  It seems to me that nothing should be impeding the other
> lists from injecting their messages into the queue, interleaved
> with the mass mailout from the announcement list.

Without knowing the version of Mailman being used and a host of
other system particulars, this is impossible to answer.  My best
guess however would be choice of MTA and bad MTA configuration as
the likely causes.

-- 
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--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Feb 28 04:36:28 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:36:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade: Templates and whatnot (Chuq?) 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jeme A Brelin <jeme@brelin.net> 
   of "Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:13:39 PST." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102271311130.1367-100000@shaft.bitmine.net> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102271311130.1367-100000@shaft.bitmine.net> 
Message-ID: <17359.983331388@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:13:39 -0800 (PST) 
Jeme A Brelin <jeme at brelin.net> wrote:

> I know for a fact that none of the web pages have been customized.
> What can I do to bulk-update my pages?

You (or someone) is going to have to do the merge by hand.

-- 
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From Thomas at travelhacker.com  Wed Feb 28 06:50:29 2001
From: Thomas at travelhacker.com (Thomas Speight)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:50:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem - FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <E14XnV3-0008Rr-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010227214517.02c76ec0@travelhacker.com>

Can anyone help me?  I am trying to install Mailman for two (2) different 
domains on the same server.  We tried setting GID to 91 but  that did not work!

Any advice is greatly appreicated.

Thomas

--------------------------
studebaker#
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman/travelhacker.com --with-mail
-gid=mailman --with-ownergroup=mailman
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.0
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 1005
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 999
checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman/travelhacker.com... configure:
error:
***** Installation directory /usr/local/mailman/travelhacker.com is not
configur
ed properly!
***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory:
/usr/local/mailman/travelhacker.com




From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Feb 28 07:29:28 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting "mail forwarding loops"
References: <E14XzR3-0002Rf-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A9C9AC8.55130BFA@nleaudio.com>

Hello gang,

Running Mainman 2.01 with Postfix, with many different domains.  Occasionally when looking at the mail logs, I see a "Mail forwarding Loop" messsage for <listname>@machine.hostname.  Nothing seems to be out of the ordinary otherwise... I can go thousands of messages without seeing this, and other times I see quite a few.

Could this be related to messages bouncing?  It's right in the log during a mass send, and almost looks like Mailman is sending itself the message.

Ideas?

Bob



From edulap at t-online.de  Wed Feb 28 11:12:53 2001
From: edulap at t-online.de (EdulaP)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:12:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sprache
Message-ID: <002001c0a16f$0428d300$9be99e3e@oemcomputer>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
als ?ltere Seniorin bin ich recht unge?bt im Englischlesen. In Deutsch w?re es weitaus vergn?glicher.
Gibt es eine M?glichkeit die Meldungen auf Deutsch zu lesen?

Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Edula Platte
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From jeme at brelin.net  Wed Feb 28 11:45:17 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:45:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation problem - FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010227214517.02c76ec0@travelhacker.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102280242550.9178-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Thomas Speight wrote:
> Can anyone help me?  I am trying to install Mailman for two (2)
> different domains on the same server.  We tried setting GID to 91 but
> that did not work!
> 
> Any advice is greatly appreicated.
> 
> Thomas
>
> ***** Set-gid bit must be set for directory:
> /usr/local/mailman/travelhacker.com

cd /usr/local/mailman
chmod g+s ./travelhacker.com

[I've never set up mailman for multiple domains (even though I have
multiple domains, I use multiple installations of mailman for ease of
portability if I have to move the domains), so I can't even tell you if
you should HAVE a directory for the domain, but this is one way to set the
group suid bit for the directory and thus, directly address that error.]

J.
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From jeme at brelin.net  Wed Feb 28 11:53:39 2001
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:53:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting "mail forwarding loops"
In-Reply-To: <3A9C9AC8.55130BFA@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0102280245240.9178-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
> Running Mainman 2.01 with Postfix, with many different domains.  
> Occasionally when looking at the mail logs, I see a "Mail forwarding
> Loop" messsage for <listname>@machine.hostname.  Nothing seems to be
> out of the ordinary otherwise... I can go thousands of messages
> without seeing this, and other times I see quite a few.
> 
> Could this be related to messages bouncing?  It's right in the log
> during a mass send, and almost looks like Mailman is sending itself
> the message.

I don't run Postfix on my mail server (though I do run it on my
workstation as a null client), but I had a similar problem with sendmail.

The messages for which I got those errors, however, were not delivering at
all.  You should doublecheck that.

The problem comes when your mail server goes to lookup the mail exchanger
for the domain the message is addressed to and finds itself, but the
server is not configured to accept mail for that domain...

Let's say your mail server is supposed to recognize crazyperson.net as a
local domain... but you don't have that configured properly.  A message is
then handed by a local client (mailman) to the server destined for the
(local, but unrecognized) domain crazyperson.net.

So it says "Hmm... where does crazyperson.net mail go? I don't recognize
it.  Lemme check the domain record.  Hmm... MX is
poopyshoes.crazyperson.net... and a quick nslookup says that's
172.16.44.9... wait, I just sent that message and it came back to me...
but it said I just sent it and now I want to send it again... oh dear, I
hate being a dumb machine and unable to prevent this silly recursion!  I
should make a note in my log so the adminstrator can help me!"

Anyway, that's the best I can describe what was going on with me.  And
yes, I always give my daemons personalities.  You should hear my
curmudgeony NFS daemons.  lockd is particularly amusing.  And httpd thinks
he's pretty cool stuff, the little twerp.

I don't know what else might be causing your problem, but that's why I got
a similar message from sendmail.

Thank you very much for indulging an old woman in her failing years.
J.
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From edulap at t-online.de  Wed Feb 28 12:44:11 2001
From: edulap at t-online.de (EdulaP)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:44:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: <003e01c0a17b$c4df6d00$8eea9e3e@oemcomputer>

It?s o.k.?
Edula Platte
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From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Feb 28 18:57:49 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 12:57:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting "mail forwarding loops"
References: <E14Y9yX-0001Eh-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A9D3C1D.6B9F90B1@nleaudio.com>

Hi Jeme (& gang),

Thanks for your reply!

> The messages for which I got those errors, however, were not delivering at
> all.  You should doublecheck that.

Do you mean that certain users are not receiving their messages, or that the single message that is being broadcast in that session is not getting out at all?  From what I can tell, everyone seems to be receiving the messages.

> The problem comes when your mail server goes to lookup the mail exchanger
> for the domain the message is addressed to and finds itself, but the
> server is not configured to accept mail for that domain...

Hmm, that's interesting.  There are some users who are on my local system who are members of the list.  However, as far as I know, all mail works fine - there is nothing that is delivered locally that should bounce.

> Let's say your mail server is supposed to recognize crazyperson.net as a
> local domain... but you don't have that configured properly.  A message is
> then handed by a local client (mailman) to the server destined for the
> (local, but unrecognized) domain crazyperson.net.

Shouldn't it just handle it like a normal bounce, if indeed a message sent to that given address would normally bounce?

Thanks!

Bob



From edulap at t-online.de  Wed Feb 28 20:02:52 2001
From: edulap at t-online.de (EdulaP)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:02:52 +0100
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Sprache
Message-ID: <007201c0a1b9$0dadf5a0$757de03e@oemcomputer>

----- Original Message -----
From: "EdulaP" <edulap at t-online.de>
To: "Peter Hutnick" <peter-lists at hutnick.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sprache


> Hallo Peter,
> danke f?r Deine Post aus Amerika?. Kann ich das ?bersetzungsprogramm
> bedenkenlos auf meinen PC (wg Viren  etc) laden? Kann es da
Schwierigkeiten
> geben? Es w?rde mir Spa? machen, mehr ?ber Menschen in Amerika und
anderswo
> zu erfahren.
> Vielleicht berichtest Du mir ein wenig ?ber Dich und Deine Heimat?
> Bei uns im Rheinland ist seit heute der  Karneval vorbei. Es ist
> Aschermittwoch. Schade!
> Herzliche Gr??e aus Deutschland
> Edula
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Hutnick" <peter-lists at hutnick.com>
> To: <edulap at t-online.de>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sprache
>
>
> > > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> > > als ?ltere Seniorin bin ich recht unge?bt im Englischlesen. In
> > > Deutsch w?re es weitaus vergn?glicher. Gibt es eine M?glichkeit
> > > die Meldungen auf Deutsch zu lesen?
> >
> > Als j?ngerer Amerikaner bin ich auf Schreiben Deutsch ziemlich
ungeschult.
> >
> > Ich lese Ihre Meldung mit Bablefish.
> > (http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn)
> >
> > Wie Sie sehen k?nnen, ist Bablefish nicht vollkommen, aber es ist
> > verst?ndlich.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
>




From edulap at t-online.de  Wed Feb 28 20:20:57 2001
From: edulap at t-online.de (EdulaP)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:20:57 +0100
Subject: Fw: [Mailman-Users] Sprache
Message-ID: <00a701c0a1bb$a2227f60$757de03e@oemcomputer>

Hallo Peter,
ich verf?ge weder ?ber Linux noch UNIX.
Kann ich Mitglied der Liste sein?
Gr??e
Edula


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Markus Keller [OrcaSoft] 
To: EdulaP 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sprache


Sehr geehrte Frau Platte

Dies ist eine englische Liste. Soweit ich weiss, existiert f?r Mailman keine deutsche Liste. Die Liste behandelt Themen rund um das Programm "Mailman", das auf Linux und UNIX Sytemen zum Massenversand von Nachrichten eingesetzt wird. Ohne Kenntnisse in Englisch kann das Programm weder installiert noch gewartet werden. Auch sind Kenntnisse der Betriebssysteme Linux oder UNIX notwendig. Sind Sie sicher, dass Sie Mitglied diese Liste sind?

Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen

Markus Keller
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: EdulaP 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:12 AM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sprache


  Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
  als ?ltere Seniorin bin ich recht unge?bt im Englischlesen. In Deutsch w?re es weitaus vergn?glicher.
  Gibt es eine M?glichkeit die Meldungen auf Deutsch zu lesen?

  Mit freundlichen Gr??en
  Edula Platte
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From mailman at ptb.org  Wed Feb 28 20:53:41 2001
From: mailman at ptb.org (Paul Barnett)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 13:53:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing servers and upgrading at the same time
Message-ID: <024101c0a1c0$2625ad10$0401a8c0@ptb.org>

I looked through the archives and didn't find anyone posing the same or
similar question, so....

I'm currently running Mailman v1.1 on a Redhat 5.2 system.

I'm building a replacement server with RedHat 7.0, and am curious what is
the easiest and reliable way to switch the mailing list(s) to the new
server, while upgrading to Mailman 2.0.1.

Do I:

(1) Install Mailman 2.0.1 on the new server and somehow copy the
subscription info and archives to the new server?

(2) Copy the existing Mailman 1.1 installation to the new server and then
upgrade it to 2.0.1?

(3) Some other alternative?

Suggestions are welcome.






From root at testhat.goldengate.net  Fri Feb  9 05:28:11 2001
From: root at testhat.goldengate.net (root)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:28:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP
Message-ID: <01020822281108.01218@testhat.goldengate.net>

I have everything running like it should (well mostly). 
I was getting the message (via email(the mail delivery system type)): "smrsh: 
wrapper not available for sendmail programs".  I then made a symlink in 
/etc/smrsh for 'wrappers' pointing to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper.  Now i am 
getting the message "/bin/sh: /etc/smrsh/wrapper: is a directory"

What am i doing wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Phil