%s

Apache/1.3.19 Server at lists.midrange.com Port 80

in the web page, of course) for
> each message.

It only took a few minutes browsing groups.yahoo.com to figure out
their archives.

Each message (starting with 1) up to the number of messages in the
group is available with this url:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group//message/?source=1

You just need a simple script which:
* collects the messages
* strips everything that isn't in  
* converts the HTML back to plain text
* adds it to an mbox

This should be fairly simple for anyone with moderate perl or python
knowledge to write.  It will take a little while to download all of
the archives, but I don't think that is a big issue.

I've done similar things with mining list archives off of other
mailing list hosts, but I haven't had to do this with yahoogroups yet.
My scripts (or whatever is left of them, I just have one that I hack
as necessary) aren't going to be useful to the mailman crowd because I
don't use the mbox format for my archives or pipermail.

alex




From mamagoth at gothling.com  Wed Aug  1 04:01:31 2001
From: mamagoth at gothling.com (mamagoth at gothling.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:01:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010731185829.01ebe8d0@mail.gothling.com>

Hello. I'm new to using Mailman and this list.  I've seen my question asked 
and answered previously but it made no sense to me. My question is how to 
resolve the issue of mail beind held until the list moderator can review it 
for approval.  It says the message has an implicit destination. The answer 
given was:

" People send e-mail to your mailing list, but your mailing address is NOT 
in the TO: or CC:, instead they put it in BCC: To solve this, just change 
the value at the admin page permit bcc, (something like that). "

Which admin page?  Which option?  I'm clueless. Thank you for your help.  :)





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to be disbelieved when she foretold it. Hence the agony of foreknowledge 
combined with the impotence to do anything about it. . . .
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From mamagoth at gothling.com  Wed Aug  1 04:09:20 2001
From: mamagoth at gothling.com (mamagoth at gothling.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:09:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010731190913.01eb4bd0@mail.gothling.com>

Hello. I'm new to using Mailman and this list. I've seen my question asked 
and answered previously but it made no sense to me. My question is how to 
resolve the issue of mail beind held until the list moderator can review it 
for approval. It says the message has an implicit destination. The answer 
given was:

" People send e-mail to your mailing list, but your mailing address is NOT 
in the TO: or CC:, instead they put it in BCC: To solve this, just change 
the value at the admin page permit bcc, (something like that). "

Which admin page? Which option? I'm clueless. Thank you for your help. :)






------------------------------------------------
Cassandra in Greek legend, you recall, was condemned to know the future but 
to be disbelieved when she foretold it. Hence the agony of foreknowledge 
combined with the impotence to do anything about it. . . .




From me at RichRamos.com  Wed Aug  1 02:19:21 2001
From: me at RichRamos.com (Rich Ramos)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:19:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010731185829.01ebe8d0@mail.gothling.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010731185829.01ebe8d0@mail.gothling.com>
Message-ID: <1848776.996607160@[144.86.11.157]>

When your (I'm assuming your the list admin) list was created you should 
have received an email with the address to the admin page and the password 
to your list.  You had better track the email down because without it it is 
hard to admin your list.

You can get to the admin page by using the following template URL:
http:///mailman/admin/
That's assuming the site admin used the default config.  But even if that 
works you will still need your list password to access the config pages.

-Rich

--- Original ---
From: mamagoth at gothling.com
To: mailman-users at python.org
Date: 7/31/01 7:01 PM -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

Hello. I'm new to using Mailman and this list.  I've seen my question
asked and answered previously but it made no sense to me. My question is
how to resolve the issue of mail beind held until the list moderator can
review it for approval.  It says the message has an implicit destination.
The answer given was:

" People send e-mail to your mailing list, but your mailing address is
NOT in the TO: or CC:, instead they put it in BCC: To solve this, just
change the value at the admin page permit bcc, (something like that). "

Which admin page?  Which option?  I'm clueless. Thank you for your help.
:)





------------------------------------------------
Cassandra in Greek legend, you recall, was condemned to know the future
but to be disbelieved when she foretold it. Hence the agony of
foreknowledge combined with the impotence to do anything about it. . . .





From cobra at jps.net  Wed Aug  1 03:06:15 2001
From: cobra at jps.net (Jose Medeiros)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:06:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RPM for Mailman on Caldera?
Message-ID: <00e401c11a26$2d1b5550$1401a8c0@starbuck>

Hi Everyone, I am new to mailman and have never installed it.

Is there a RMP out there for mailman?
I have done a search on google, and there appears
to have been one offered with SUSE 7.0 but I can never download it
from the sites that it is posted under.

If there is a version available has anyone installed it succesfully, does it
require
a lot of configuration?


Regards,

Jose Medeiros

"Great leaders surround themselves with talent--people even stronger than
them.
 Leaders are not threatened by stronger, more talented people because they
know
that their success and promotional abilities count on it."

                                             - Larry Bienati




From me at RichRamos.com  Wed Aug  1 07:44:41 2001
From: me at RichRamos.com (Rich Ramos)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:44:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] infinite loop on bounce from postmaster to list
Message-ID: <10069835.3205608281@max1-83.losangeles.corecomm.net>

After some digging I think I have found out that we are running into bug "[ 
#231776 ] Digest From address causing mail loop", however ours has some 
twists that I don't think the suggestion in the bug database will fix.

Also, I have some unanswered questions from this bug:
1. Why doesn't the parameter 'LIKELY_BOUNCE_SENDERS' prevent this situation 
from happening at all?  The MTA sending the email is coming from this 
address: "From: Mail Administrator "
Do I not understand this parameter correctly?

2. In the situation that is described in the bug report, why don't the 
headers 'Sender:' & 'Errors-To:' get used?  What are these headers suppose 
to be used for?

On top of those questions, in our situation I don't know if just changing 
the 'From' address will help.  The ccMail system that I refered to in my 
last email, changes the From address and replaces it with the Reply-to 
address (which it completely drops).  Which is why the bounce snowball was 
sent to all users on the dist list because it got changed from 
-request to just .  So we would have wound up in the same 
situation even if the From address was -owner.  Ugly.

I have included the headers as the get changed by the ccMail system for 
digest emails.  The list is test and the domain is chi.mti.com

Normal:
Received: from becks (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by becks.chi.mti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17934;
	Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:16:02 -0500 (CDT)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:16:02 -0500 (CDT)
Message-Id: <200108010116.UAA17934 at becks.chi.mti.com>
From: test-request at chi.mti.com
Subject: Test digest, Vol 1 #5 - 5 msgs
Reply-to: test at chi.mti.com
X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.3
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain
To: test at chi.mti.com
Sender: test-admin at chi.mti.com
Errors-To: test-admin at chi.mti.com
X-BeenThere: test at chi.mti.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.3
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: 
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,
	
List-Id: 
List-Unsubscribe: ,
	
List-Archive: 


ccMail:
Received: from bud.chi.mti.com (root at bud [192.107.118.17])
	by becks.chi.mti.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17958
	for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:16:14 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from mtigate.mti.com (mtigate.mti.com [144.86.1.1])
	by bud.chi.mti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18194
	for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:16:13 -0500
From: test at chi.mti.com
Received: from ccmgate.mti.com (ccmgate.mti.com [144.86.14.157])
	by mtigate.mti.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28830
	for ; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:16:05 -0700
Received: from POP3 Client by ccmgate.mti.com (ccMail Link to SMTP 
R8.30.00.7)
    id AA996628767; Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:19:29 -0700
Message-Id: <0107319966.AA996628767 at ccmgate.mti.com>
X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:16:02 -0700
To: 
Subject: Test digest, Vol 1 #5 - 5 msgs
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="simple boundary"




From barry at zope.com  Wed Aug  1 08:16:50 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:16:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Why does Mailman have a queue?
Message-ID: <15207.40658.733317.114308@anthem.wooz.org>

My mailman-users subscription got disabled, probably due to the
digicool.com -> zope.com switch.  I probably missed a bunch of
messages on this list but didn't notice because I've been literally
deluged with email from all the other sundry forums I'm on.  I'm
convinced email is like Washington DC traffic: there's more of it
every year and about the only time you don't wallow in it up to your
eyeballs is 2am (usually after coming home from a gig).

Greg Ward asks in:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-July/013126.html

why Mailman has a queue.  One simple reason for MM2.0.x: most MTAs
impose a time limit on how long they let a mail program run.  Postfix
specifically uncatchably SIGKILLs a mail program after a configurable
amount of time (I think the default is 1000 seconds).  Before you say
that that should be enough for anything Mailman wants to do with a
message, consider a really busy server with lots of list locks.
Before the incoming queue was implemented, we used to see lots of
messages just get hard killed by Postfix because the list lock
couldn't be acquired in time.  You could argue that the list lock
implementation could be improved so as to guarantee that a mail
program could finish in the allotted time, but 1) I don't think you
could guarantee that; 2) my mantra is "no email shall be lost"; 3) the
queue idea actually has other benefits, mostly to be realized in
MM2.1.

E.g. there are now 7 queues (possibly to be 8 if there's time) for
moving mail around the system.  There's are two incoming queues, 3
outgoing queues, a "virgin" queue (for messages generated by Mailman),
and a "shunt" queue for errors.  We can individually control how many
processes run through each queue, and how often they run.  So for
example, we could put a high priority on the incoming and outgoing
queues, possibly throwing multiple processors or multiple servers at
these queues.  We could put a lower priority on archiving, delivering
to news, or processing email commands by running fewer processes, or
running them less often.  We can also apply different processing steps
to each queue.  And we can better separate read/write operations from
read-only operations, e.g. so that the "modify-and-munge" pipeline
that all incoming-queue messages go through need to acquire the list
lock, but the outgoing-queue messages, which only get handoffs to the
MTA don't need to acquire the list lock.  Thus if the MTA is slow to
respond for some reason (e.g. it's swamped and is backing off
accepts), the rest of Mailman won't get bogged down behind it.  We can
also (in theory) do more finely grained rate limiting types of things.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Wed Aug  1 08:43:13 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 02:43:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what DB format is config.db?
Message-ID: <15207.42241.672180.698053@anthem.wooz.org>

Just to clarify what Dan Mick says in

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-July/013139.html

config.db and in fact all .db files Mailman writes, are technically
marshals containg one Python object, a dictionary.  Python has a
low-level object serialization protocol called "marshal", and a module
that implements this.  Marshals are a way to serialize basic objects
such as integers, floats, strings, lists, tuples, and dictionaries.
There is a higher level protocol called "pickle" (in MM2.1, .pck
files) which knows how to properly serialize more complex objects like
instances, object trees, etc.  Because config.db is a simple
dictionary mapping strings to basic objects, marshal was used here,
and this is the case with a few other .db files Mailman uses.

Contrast this with MM2.1 where messages need to be read and written
possibly more than once.  The first time a message is read from disk,
it is plain text, so it needs to be parsed and turned into an object
tree, via mimelib.  It would be inefficient to write back to plain
text, just to reparse again later, so Mailman writes the object tree
back to disk as a pickle, making it much faster to reload later.

-Barry



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Aug  1 14:41:06 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:41:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on user interface
In-Reply-To: <002f01c1196d$44c9f3a0$cacda8c0@wipro.com>; from preeti.mehta@wipro.com on Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 08:32:40AM +0530
References: <020d01c11683$3cebd5a0$cacda8c0@wipro.com> <24217.996521317@kanga.nu> <002f01c1196d$44c9f3a0$cacda8c0@wipro.com>
Message-ID: <20010801084106.A683@mems-exchange.org>

On 31 July 2001, Preeti Mehta said:
> i know about the scripts it has etc but wanted to know if lists can b
> created & deleted from a graphical user interface instead just like there is
> the interface to view list info ,subscribe ,manage lists etc

No, you cannot create lists through the web.  Last I heard, this was on
the to-do list for Mailman 2.1.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr  Wed Aug  1 15:11:17 2001
From: ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr (ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:11:17 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi there,
Message-ID: 

I installed mailman on my redhat 7.1 box..

then I made a new list and add members to this list...
after that I sent a message to the list but error message came to
me...this error message is end of the mail:

after this error message I did this:
$ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper  /etc/smrsh/wrapper
after that I sent a message to the list..but this time neither any error
message came nor the message delivered the list...

any idea? thanks

************************
The original message was received at Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:08:19 +0300
from root at localhost

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post deneme2"
    (reason: service unavailable)
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 5.0.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post deneme2"... Service
unavailable

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]

Reporting-MTA: dns; robot.metu.edu.tr
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:08:19 +0300

Final-Recipient: RFC822; deneme2 at robot.metu.edu.tr
X-Actual-Recipient: X-Unix; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post deneme2
Action: failed
Status: 5.5.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Unix; 69
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:08:20 +0300


    [ Part 3: "Included Message" ]
*******************************************




From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Wed Aug  1 15:29:35 2001
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:29:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looping digest - mailman bug?
In-Reply-To: <20010730210641.D20676@xs4all.nl>
References: <15205.38107.541898.68781@daimi.au.dk>
	<20010730210641.D20676@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <15208.1087.484786.794274@daimi.au.dk>


Thomas Wouters writes:

 > > +    bar = re.compile('\n\.')
 > > +    msgtext = re.sub(bar, '\n .', msgtext, 0)
 > 
 > Sorry, this is the wrong fix. "\n." isn't the pattern that breaks it; you
 > want "\r?\n.\r?\n".

Not really; to be precise, "\n\.\n" is what breaks mail delivery. This 
was tested and confirmed in mailman lists using Sendmail delivery module,
in standard installations of Sendmail 8.11.2 and Postfix 20010228-pl03
and on two different platforms: IRIX 6.5 vs. RedHat 6.2.

If a message contains MIME part (text/plain format) with "\n.\n" in it, 
it triggers the mail bombing. If there is no MIME, the message body is
proccessed up to "\n.\.\n", the rest gets truncated.

 > That's not the issue; IIRC, both the smtplib module (used by the SMTPDirect
 > delivery in Mailman) as the Sendmail deliverer use CRLF's, adding CR's where
 > necessary.

CRLF's issues notwithstanding, looping digests has given much distress
to many list members and the patch above prevents foul behaviour.
If there is a better suggestion, I'll be greatful.

 > My question was whether the message text, at that moment, was guaranteed to
 > contain CR's (or guaranteed not to contain them.)

Guaranteed not to contain CR's; I've saved a few of the 'bombing messages'
and the single dot on a line is preceeded and followed by LF's.

This said, thanks to the Mailman team for the wonderful software; Mailman 
has been a great success for mailing lists for which I am responsible
(on two different domains); which is the very reason for getting into this...

Kaja



From kmccann at bellanet.org  Wed Aug  1 16:02:01 2001
From: kmccann at bellanet.org (Kevin McCann)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:02:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on user interface
In-Reply-To: <20010801084106.A683@mems-exchange.org>
References: <002f01c1196d$44c9f3a0$cacda8c0@wipro.com>
 <020d01c11683$3cebd5a0$cacda8c0@wipro.com>
 <24217.996521317@kanga.nu>
 <002f01c1196d$44c9f3a0$cacda8c0@wipro.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010801093547.01b15240@internet.idrc.ca>

At 08:41 AM 01/08/01 -0400, Greg Ward wrote:
>On 31 July 2001, Preeti Mehta said:
> > i know about the scripts it has etc but wanted to know if lists can b
> > created & deleted from a graphical user interface instead just like 
> there is
> > the interface to view list info ,subscribe ,manage lists etc
>
>No, you cannot create lists through the web.

Unless, of course, you do it yourself with a secured PHP or Perl script. 
Just execute the exec or system command and feed it Mailman's newlist 
command with parameters from a form. Here's a PHP example:

$newlist = exec("/usr/local/bin/sudo /home/mailman/bin/newlist --quiet 
$forumname $adminemail $adminpass",$alloutput,$returnvalue);

(I use the free sudo program to allow the web user "nobody" to run the 
newlist command)

Cheers,
Kevin McCann







From gdunn at inscriber.com  Wed Aug  1 16:08:28 2001
From: gdunn at inscriber.com (Graham Dunn)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:08:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oddness in mailman 2.0.5 from: when mailing out subscription reminder
Message-ID: <20010801100828.D69905@inscriber.com>

Installed mailman 2.0.5 from ports on FreeBSD 4.3-stable.

This is the first time the monthly reminders have gone out. The from:
field in the email was for a different list (test, the first list I set
up), rather than the list name people are subscribed to. A sample email
is included below. Note that all the members of this list were mass
subscribed.

(the web admin URL is correct, but differs from the from)

Bug/feature/my bad?

Thanks,
Graham

Return-Path: 
Received: from oshaberi.inorth.com ([209.167.77.135])
by severus.mspring.net (Earthlink Mail Service) with ESMTP id
tmfkvm.8gc.37kbpqa
for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:03:34 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from oshaberi.inorth.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by oshaberi.inorth.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f71A3Rn35984
for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:03:28 -0400 (EDT)
(envelope-from test-admin at lists.inscriber.com) 
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:03:28 -0400 (EDT) 
Message-Id: <200108011003.f71A3Rn35984 at oshaberi.inorth.com> 
Subject: lists.inscriber.com mailing list memberships reminder From: To: info at dasto.com
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: test-admin at lists.inscriber.com
Errors-To: test-admin at lists.inscriber.com
X-BeenThere: test at lists.inscriber.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5
Precedence: bulk

This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
lists.inscriber.com mailing list memberships.  It includes your
subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a
list.

You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.

In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the
list (for example, enewsletter-html-request at lists.inscriber.com)
containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email
message will be sent to you with instructions.

-- 
  gdunn at inscriber.com	  Graham Dunn         || ||| | ||| |||| | |||| | 



From louiza at home.com  Wed Aug  1 16:32:34 2001
From: louiza at home.com (Louiza)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 07:32:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 40 connections open
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm back. :) I have a new web host who has never used Mailman before, 
however, the tech support people are working hard to make things run 
smoothly. I just administer my lists, so I don't have access to logs 
or anything like that, but I can talk directly to a tech person.

We've been having some problems with the posts being delayed in 
delivery for four to five hours and sometimes, members don't get the 
mail from the list for a day. In troubleshooting this, the tech guy 
said one problem that was happening was with the ISP of 
bellsouth.net, who opened up 40 connections and left them open, 
thereby causing a drain on the mail server. Does this make sense to 
anybody?

Anyone have suggestions on what to check or do that would relate to 
this problem of mail delivery being delayed? The tech guy was certain 
it is a Mailman problem. He's running 2.0.5. My discussion list, 
while small in number of members (200) is quite active at times.

Regards,

Louiza




From gdunn at inscriber.com  Wed Aug  1 16:43:11 2001
From: gdunn at inscriber.com (Graham Dunn)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:43:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Oddness in mailman 2.0.5 from: when mailing out subscription reminder
In-Reply-To: <20010801100828.D69905@inscriber.com>; from gdunn@inscriber.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:08:28AM -0400
References: <20010801100828.D69905@inscriber.com>
Message-ID: <20010801104309.A40240@inscriber.com>

OK, following up to my own post :]

After coffee and re-reading the message, it's more clear that the
message lists _all_ the lists you're subscribed to on the server.

However, why did test-admin get picked? It's at the top of the list?

Graham
On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 10:08:28AM -0400, Graham Dunn wrote:
> Installed mailman 2.0.5 from ports on FreeBSD 4.3-stable.
> 
> This is the first time the monthly reminders have gone out. The from:
> field in the email was for a different list (test, the first list I set
> up), rather than the list name people are subscribed to. A sample email
> is included below. Note that all the members of this list were mass
> subscribed.
> 
> (the web admin URL is correct, but differs from the from)
> 
> Bug/feature/my bad?
> 
> Thanks,
> Graham
> 
> Return-Path: 
> Received: from oshaberi.inorth.com ([209.167.77.135])
> by severus.mspring.net (Earthlink Mail Service) with ESMTP id
> tmfkvm.8gc.37kbpqa
> for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:03:34 -0400 (EDT)
> Received: from oshaberi.inorth.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> by oshaberi.inorth.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f71A3Rn35984
> for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:03:28 -0400 (EDT)
> (envelope-from test-admin at lists.inscriber.com) 
> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 06:03:28 -0400 (EDT) 
> Message-Id: <200108011003.f71A3Rn35984 at oshaberi.inorth.com> 
> Subject: lists.inscriber.com mailing list memberships reminder From: To: info at dasto.com
> X-No-Archive: yes
> X-Ack: no
> Sender: test-admin at lists.inscriber.com
> Errors-To: test-admin at lists.inscriber.com
> X-BeenThere: test at lists.inscriber.com
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5
> Precedence: bulk
> 
> This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
> lists.inscriber.com mailing list memberships.  It includes your
> subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a
> list.
> 
> You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
> 
> In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
> changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the
> list (for example, enewsletter-html-request at lists.inscriber.com)
> containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email
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> 
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> 
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From y.nugroho at student.umist.ac.uk  Wed Aug  1 16:51:20 2001
From: y.nugroho at student.umist.ac.uk (Yanuar Nugroho)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:51:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modules relationship
References: <15207.42241.672180.698053@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <012e01c11a99$6d3e4340$9baa5882@halls.umist.ac.uk>

Dear Barry et al,

If I would like to know how the modules are interrelated each other, along
with their functionalities in Mailman, what documentation should I consult?

Thank you,

Yanuar

Yanuar Nugroho
http://www.yanuar-n.f2s.com/
http://yanuar-nugroho.mainpage.net/
----------------------------------------
PG. Stud. MSc. Information Systems Engineering,
Dept. of Computation, UMIST, Manchester - UK




From wehr at info-realite.com  Wed Aug  1 17:03:04 2001
From: wehr at info-realite.com (Thierry Wehr)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:03:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <01C11AAB.D4B2C520@wehr.info-realite.com>

Hi

i'm using Mailman 2.0.6 with postfix and avp anti-virus, but when i try to send a mail to the mailing list, only the first user of the mailing list receive the email

i get these errors in /var/log/maillog

Aug 1 16:56:01 serveur2 postfix/smtpd[26069]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug 1 16:56:02 serveur2 postfix/smtpd[26069]: EF5CB600BC: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug 1 16:56:03 serveur2 postfix/cleanup[26070]: EF5CB600BC: message-id=<01C11AAA.C20ED900 at wehr.info-realite.com >
Aug 1 16:56:03 serveur2 postfix/smtpd[26069]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug 1 16:56:03 serveur2 postfix/qmgr[26420]: EF5CB600BC: from=>, size=2249, nrcpt=4 (queue active)
Aug 1 16:56:04 serveur2 avpkeeper[26126]: 16:56:04 01/08/01 [26126] from=soleos-pro-admin at soleos-pro.com , to=admin at groupe-info.com ,
group=OURNET, result=NOT CHECK
Aug 1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pickup[21120]: 2FC73600BE: uid=200 from=>
Aug 1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pipe[26072]: EF5CB600BC: to=>, relay=filter, delay=2, status=sent (dummy)
Aug 1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pipe[26072]: EF5CB600BC: to=>, relay=filter, delay=2, status=sent (dummy)
Aug 1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pipe[26072]: EF5CB600BC: to=>, relay=filter, delay=2, status=sent (dummy
)

Please HELP

Thierry Wehr
Responsable Informatique r?seau Groupe Info R?alit?
email : wehr at info-realite.com
t?l : +33 3 88 59 41 00
fax : + 33 3 88 59 41 01




From drkrause at mindspring.com  Wed Aug  1 20:39:44 2001
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:39:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-id apache install problem
Message-ID: <3B684CEF.B6F61CBC@mindspring.com>

I'm running into problems writing the config file for mailman-2.0.6,
getting the message below when I tried running a test list:

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take
48?)

OK. The config program always seems to go to 99 for the cgi-group,
either when I use
"--with-cgi-id=apache" (from httpd.conf) or
"--with-cgi-id=48" (apache's number from /etc/group)

The relevant lines in the ./configure run are

checking for mail wrapper GID... 47
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 99

So what can I do here? Is there a manual override I can do in the
Makefiles? (The answer to this problem is not in the FAQ -- I've read
them!)

Any help appreciated!

Drew Krause






From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Wed Aug  1 17:54:19 2001
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:54:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looping digest - mailman bug?
In-Reply-To: <20010801155222.H626@xs4all.nl>
References: <15205.38107.541898.68781@daimi.au.dk>
	<20010730210641.D20676@xs4all.nl>
	<15208.1087.484786.794274@daimi.au.dk>
	<20010801155222.H626@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <15208.9771.971492.187376@daimi.au.dk>

Thomas Wouters writes:

 > Yes. And "\r?\n\.\r?\n" matches that (I forgot to escape the . in my first
 > reply :) Alright, the first '\r?' can be left out, but the second can't. Go
 > ahead and try it; I'm pretty certain "\n.\r\n" will also break off the
 > delivery.

Yes, "\n.\r\n" breaks the delivery as well (with unpatched Sendmail.py).

 > Unless you (or someone else) traced all code
 > paths and see no way for any kind of input to case the message text at that
 > point to contain CR's, I'd prefer to use "\n\.\r?\n", 

Given the alternative, I'd prefer it too :)

Kaja




From alaric at babcom.com  Wed Aug  1 18:19:47 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:19:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi-id apache install problem
In-Reply-To: <3B684CEF.B6F61CBC@mindspring.com>; from drkrause@mindspring.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 11:39:44AM -0700
References: <3B684CEF.B6F61CBC@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20010801091947.A1196@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 11:39:44AM -0700, Drew Krause wrote:
> I'm running into problems writing the config file for mailman-2.0.6,
> getting the message below when I tried running a test list:
> 
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 99, GOT gid 48.  (Reconfigure to take
> 48?)
> 
> OK. The config program always seems to go to 99 for the cgi-group,
> either when I use
> "--with-cgi-id=apache" (from httpd.conf) or
> "--with-cgi-id=48" (apache's number from /etc/group)
> The relevant lines in the ./configure run are
> 
> checking for mail wrapper GID... 47
> checking for CGI wrapper GID... 99
> 
> So what can I do here? Is there a manual override I can do in the
> Makefiles? (The answer to this problem is not in the FAQ -- I've read
> them!)


Well, if I was you, I'd try using

	--with-cgi-gid=apache

instead of 

	--with-cgi-id=apache

since the former is what the configure option actually is.  :-)


-- 
 Linux Now!   ..........Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.
 phil stracchino   --   the renaissance man   --   mystic zen biker geek
        alaric at babcom.com                halmayne at sourceforge.net
   2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold)



From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Wed Aug  1 18:30:40 2001
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:30:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What the $%#*)^ causes this????!!!
Message-ID: <200108011630.KAA32614@mail.commercedata.com>

I periodically wake up to find this in my mailbox:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/steering/config.db'

Invariably the ownership of the config.db file has been changed to "www".
I'm sure it's because someone has logged in and unsubscribed or made other
changes to their account.  I usually react by changing the ownership to
"mailman" or making the file permissions permiscuous.  This seems to fix the 
problem for some random period.

This machine is an OpenBSD box.  I haven't yet figured out the ins and outs
of it yet, but for some reason the installation will only run as root.  It's
possible that there is something unique to OpenBSD that's security-related
causing my problem, but I've gotten this one before on another machine, a 
virtual host.  Anyone have any clues?

Thanks!
Dave Klingler







From rimas at beritrans.com  Wed Aug  1 14:32:12 2001
From: rimas at beritrans.com (Rimas)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:32:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pls HELP!!!
Message-ID: 

Dear Sirs,

Please help us to solve following problem.


Sincerely,

Rimantas Navickas




Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock
    os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/var/lib/mailman/locks/ctcnews.lock.home.997'





----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Environment variables:
Variable Value
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /home/webpages/beritrans.com/htdocs
SERVER_ADDR  194.176.36.225
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate
REMOTE_HOST  home.beritrans.com
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1
SERVER_PORT  80
PATH_TRANSLATED  /home/webpages/beritrans.com/htdocs/ctcnews
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) Debian/GNU PHP/4.0.3pl1
HTTP_VIA  1.0 home.beritrans.lan:3000 (Squid/2.2.STABLE5)
UNIQUE_ID  O2f1HsCoZP4AAAPDAq8
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  lt
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR  192.168.100.99
REMOTE_ADDR  194.176.36.225
SERVER_NAME  beritrans.com
HTTP_CONNECTION  keep-alive
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
*/*
REQUEST_URI  /cgi-bin/mailman/admin/ctcnews
HTTP_CACHE_CONTROL  max-age=259200
PATH  /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin
QUERY_STRING
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.0
PATH_INFO  /ctcnews
HTTP_HOST  beritrans.com
REQUEST_METHOD  GET
SERVER_SIGNATURE




From thomas at xs4all.net  Wed Aug  1 15:52:22 2001
From: thomas at xs4all.net (Thomas Wouters)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:52:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looping digest - mailman bug?
In-Reply-To: <15208.1087.484786.794274@daimi.au.dk>
References: <15205.38107.541898.68781@daimi.au.dk> <20010730210641.D20676@xs4all.nl> <15208.1087.484786.794274@daimi.au.dk>
Message-ID: <20010801155222.H626@xs4all.nl>

On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 03:29:35PM +0200, Kaja P. Christiansen wrote:

> Thomas Wouters writes:

>  > > +    bar = re.compile('\n\.')
>  > > +    msgtext = re.sub(bar, '\n .', msgtext, 0)
>  > 
>  > Sorry, this is the wrong fix. "\n." isn't the pattern that breaks it; you
>  > want "\r?\n.\r?\n".

> Not really; to be precise, "\n\.\n" is what breaks mail delivery.

Yes. And "\r?\n\.\r?\n" matches that (I forgot to escape the . in my first
reply :) Alright, the first '\r?' can be left out, but the second can't. Go
ahead and try it; I'm pretty certain "\n.\r\n" will also break off the
delivery.

> Guaranteed not to contain CR's; I've saved a few of the 'bombing messages'
> and the single dot on a line is preceeded and followed by LF's.

That is no guarantee, unfortunately. That's empirical proof, which is the
most treacherous sort around :) Unless you (or someone else) traced all code
paths and see no way for any kind of input to case the message text at that
point to contain CR's, I'd prefer to use "\n\.\r?\n", even though that means
we have to use the 're' module instead of the 'string' one.

-- 
Thomas Wouters 

Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread!



From juan_velez at trendmicro.com  Wed Aug  1 16:48:26 2001
From: juan_velez at trendmicro.com (Juan Jose Velez (MKT-MX))
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 09:48:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: 

Hi, I wanna know if mailman can be translated to spanish.

Thanks
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From webmaster at info-realite.com  Wed Aug  1 16:59:14 2001
From: webmaster at info-realite.com (Webmaster)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:59:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Postfix + AVP
Message-ID: <01b301c11a9a$87cb06c0$4601a8c0@inforealite.com>

Hi

i'm using Mailman 2.0.6 with postfix and avp anti-virus, but when i try to send a mail to the mailing list, only the first user of the mailing list receive the email

i get these errors in /var/log/maillog

Aug  1 16:56:01 serveur2 postfix/smtpd[26069]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug  1 16:56:02 serveur2 postfix/smtpd[26069]: EF5CB600BC: client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug  1 16:56:03 serveur2 postfix/cleanup[26070]: EF5CB600BC: message-id=<01C11AAA.C20ED900 at wehr.info-realite.com>
Aug  1 16:56:03 serveur2 postfix/smtpd[26069]: disconnect from localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug  1 16:56:03 serveur2 postfix/qmgr[26420]: EF5CB600BC: from=, size=2249, nrcpt=4 (queue active)
Aug  1 16:56:04 serveur2 avpkeeper[26126]: 16:56:04 01/08/01 [26126] from=soleos-pro-admin at soleos-pro.com, to=admin at groupe-info.com,
 group=OURNET, result=NOT CHECK
Aug  1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pickup[21120]: 2FC73600BE: uid=200 from=
Aug  1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pipe[26072]: EF5CB600BC: to=, relay=filter, delay=2, status=sent (dummy)
Aug  1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pipe[26072]: EF5CB600BC: to=, relay=filter, delay=2, status=sent (dummy)
Aug  1 16:56:04 serveur2 postfix/pipe[26072]: EF5CB600BC: to=, relay=filter, delay=2, status=sent (dummy
)

Please HELP

Thierry WEHR
wehr at info-realite.com




From philip at cinesite.com  Wed Aug  1 19:19:59 2001
From: philip at cinesite.com (Philip Rowe)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:19:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Docs?
Message-ID: <3B683A3F.E1D676BA@cinesite.com>

Hello,
I've installed Mailman and downloaded the documentation, but I've
noticed that it is missing the command line section within the
user documentation. Is there a site where I can download this
documentation?

Thanks!

User Documentation that I already have:
 
User's guide at
http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-userguide-0.1.ps.gz 
-- 
philip rowe                                           323.468.4412
cinesite digital studios              senior systems administrator
              t e c h n i c a l   s e r v i c e s
__________________________________________________________________



From techgrrl at beeze.com  Wed Aug  1 20:36:32 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:36:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
Message-ID: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com>

Ok, this one has about driven me to the brink of insanity! I need to know where/how the following headers are generated in the monthly password reminder message *and* how to hard-code them to something different (preferably mailman-owner).

Sender: blah-admin at blah.org
Errors-To: blah-admin at blah.org
X-BeenThere: blah at blah.org

Here's the situation. Previous to this month, Mailman (ver 2.0.1) chose to use one list as the reference for the above information. That inundated some poor, unsuspecting list owner with all kinds of stuff that didn't actually apply to her list. As a fix, we've been going in and changing the aliases of that particular list to point elsewhere at the first of the month. That worked ok (though it's a pain) until last night. For reasons unknown to me, the monthly reminder message choose to use a different list to fill in the sender/errors-to/x-beenthere info. Unfortunately, it choose a list which had no alias files setup for it (it was new and I didn't want anybody to use it yet), so we lost all the responses to that message.

Can anybody tell me how to change this permanently?

-- Sarah
Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose





From me at RichRamos.com  Wed Aug  1 20:42:28 2001
From: me at RichRamos.com (Rich Ramos)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:42:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What the $%#*)^ causes this????!!!
In-Reply-To: <200108011630.KAA32614@mail.commercedata.com>
References: <200108011630.KAA32614@mail.commercedata.com>
Message-ID: <603353.996673347@[144.86.11.157]>

I had this same symptoms.  My problem was that I had screwed up my mailman 
entry in /etc/passwd such that mailman was assigned the wrong group id. 
Which ment that even though the group mailman has write permission to the 
file config.db the user mailman wasn't part of that group and could change 
the file.

When changes are made to the .db files through a web browser the user id of 
your web server (usually www) owns the file until the next time that a cron 
job gets kicked off.  If the user id mailman doesn't have group access to 
the file for whatever reason (like screwing up a passwd file) then mailman 
can't make changes and you get a perission denied and the file stays owned 
by the user id of the web server.

-Rich

--- Original ---
From: Dave Klingler 
To: mailman-users at python.org
CC: Dave Klingler 
Date: 8/1/01 10:30 AM -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What the $%#*)^ causes this????!!!

I periodically wake up to find this in my mailbox:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/steering/config.db'

Invariably the ownership of the config.db file has been changed to "www".
I'm sure it's because someone has logged in and unsubscribed or made other
changes to their account.  I usually react by changing the ownership to
"mailman" or making the file permissions permiscuous.  This seems to fix
the  problem for some random period.

This machine is an OpenBSD box.  I haven't yet figured out the ins and
outs of it yet, but for some reason the installation will only run as
root.  It's possible that there is something unique to OpenBSD that's
security-related causing my problem, but I've gotten this one before on
another machine, a  virtual host.  Anyone have any clues?

Thanks!
Dave Klingler





------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Aug  1 20:47:42 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:47:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pls HELP!!!
In-Reply-To: ; from rimas@beritrans.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 02:32:12PM +0200
References: 
Message-ID: <20010801144742.B2759@mems-exchange.org>

On 01 August 2001, Rimas said:
> Please help us to solve following problem.
[...]
> Bug in Mailman version 1.1

You should probably upgrade to the a recent version of Mailman; the
latest is 2.0.6.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From me at RichRamos.com  Wed Aug  1 21:07:25 2001
From: me at RichRamos.com (Rich Ramos)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:07:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
In-Reply-To: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]>


Sarah,

I believe you are asking the same question that Graham Dunn is asking in 
the attached email that he sent earlier today, which is also the same 
question I've been asking for quite some time, which is:

Why do the monthly mailings get sent from the admin of the first list that 
got created after mailman was installed rather than the global mailman 
admin?

-Rich

--- Original ---
From: "Sarah K. Miller" 
To: mailman-users at python.org
Date: 8/1/01 11:36 AM -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders

Ok, this one has about driven me to the brink of insanity! I need to know
where/how the following headers are generated in the monthly password
reminder message *and* how to hard-code them to something different
(preferably mailman-owner).

Sender: blah-admin at blah.org
Errors-To: blah-admin at blah.org
X-BeenThere: blah at blah.org

Here's the situation. Previous to this month, Mailman (ver 2.0.1) chose
to use one list as the reference for the above information. That
inundated some poor, unsuspecting list owner with all kinds of stuff that
didn't actually apply to her list. As a fix, we've been going in and
changing the aliases of that particular list to point elsewhere at the
first of the month. That worked ok (though it's a pain) until last night.
For reasons unknown to me, the monthly reminder message choose to use a
different list to fill in the sender/errors-to/x-beenthere info.
Unfortunately, it choose a list which had no alias files setup for it (it
was new and I didn't want anybody to use it yet), so we lost all the
responses to that message.

Can anybody tell me how to change this permanently?

-- Sarah
Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose
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From barry at zope.com  Wed Aug  1 21:12:11 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:12:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: modules relationship
References: <15207.42241.672180.698053@anthem.wooz.org>
	<012e01c11a99$6d3e4340$9baa5882@halls.umist.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <15208.21643.751798.828740@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "YN" == Yanuar Nugroho  writes:

    YN> If I would like to know how the modules are interrelated each
    YN> other, along with their functionalities in Mailman, what
    YN> documentation should I consult?

Sorry, there currently aren't any good internals documentation.  UTSL!

-Barry



From drkrause at mindspring.com  Thu Aug  2 00:24:07 2001
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some users moderated?
Message-ID: <3B688186.BB62E9A2@mindspring.com>

On our test list we've encountered a strange phenomenon: *some*
subscribers who post from the same domain as the list are having their
posts submitted for approval, but they receive everyone else's mail.
Other local subscribers (and everyone offsite) seem to get through fine
-- the list isn't moderated. Any ideas why this would happen? Mailman
2.0.6 with Sendmail on Linux (Redhat).

Thanks! All help appreciated!

Drew Krause




From techgrrl at beeze.com  Wed Aug  1 21:23:41 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 12:23:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com> <693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]>
Message-ID: <00e301c11abf$7a155a60$0200010a@home.beeze.com>

Well, yes and no. As I said, mine has never been sent out from the first list I created. It was previously going out from one created "later" and then this last one went out from the most *recent* list I created (which was last week). I have done a bit of hunting and came up with these questions (which I sent to the list once before, but nobody knew the answer then either). Maybe somebody who knows the answer is here now??

I have a couple of questions about mailpasswds. First is about the section;

    # constrain to specified lists, if any
        confined_to = sys.argv[1:]

Does this mean I can specify which lists to send passwords for? If so, how do I include or exclude specific lists?

My second question is about:

   # Use this list for message delivery only
    a_public_list = None

Does this mean that I can specify which list on my system the monthly reminders appear to be coming from? If so, how?

Would these questions be better directed to the developers list or will I find basically the same people there that I find here??



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Ramos" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders



Sarah,

I believe you are asking the same question that Graham Dunn is asking in 
the attached email that he sent earlier today, which is also the same 
question I've been asking for quite some time, which is:

Why do the monthly mailings get sent from the admin of the first list that 
got created after mailman was installed rather than the global mailman 
admin?

-Rich

--- Original ---
From: "Sarah K. Miller" 
To: mailman-users at python.org
Date: 8/1/01 11:36 AM -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders

Ok, this one has about driven me to the brink of insanity! I need to know
where/how the following headers are generated in the monthly password
reminder message *and* how to hard-code them to something different
(preferably mailman-owner).





From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug  1 21:32:15 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:32:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some users moderated?
In-Reply-To: <3B688186.BB62E9A2@mindspring.com>
References: <3B688186.BB62E9A2@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20010801213215.6d9c8a85.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:24:07 -0700
Drew Krause  wrote:

> On our test list we've encountered a strange phenomenon: *some*
> subscribers who post from the same domain as the list are having their
> posts submitted for approval, 

what is the exact description (reason) you get with the posts held back on
the pending request page?

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From barry at zope.com  Wed Aug  1 22:38:12 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:38:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looping digest - mailman bug?
References: <15205.38107.541898.68781@daimi.au.dk>
Message-ID: <15208.26804.372186.20266@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "KPC" == Kaja P Christiansen  writes:

    KPC> Several of our lists suffered from Mailman's mail bombing and
    KPC> we turned the digest option off in hope it'll help. It did,
    KPC> for a while, until the same happened with a non-digest
    KPC> message being send over and over again (once per minute, by
    KPC> qrunner).

    KPC> We were able to locate where and how it happens, and to
    KPC> 'reproduce' the error (in laboratory conditions :-) both
    KPC> under mailman 2.0.3 and 2.0.6.

    KPC> The mail looping occurs when there is a MIME message with a
    KPC> single . (dot) in a line; Mailman sends it to sendmail 'as
    KPC> is'. But since sendmail/postfix interprets a line with single
    KPC> dot as the end of the message, it sends everything before the
    KPC> dot and exits with 'Broken pipe'. Mailman, however, still has
    KPC> the message in it's queue and sends it all over again...

    KPC> When I tried sending non-MIME message with single-dot-line in
    KPC> it to a Mailman list, there was no looping, but the message
    KPC> body after the single dot was missing.

    KPC> Until there is something better, I suggest adding to
    KPC> Sendmail.py a patch which perhaps is not pretty (it adds a
    KPC> space before the infamous dot), but it works:

Okay, several issues going on here.  First, let me ask: why are you
using Sendmail.py instead of SMTPDirect.py?  The former has well known
adverse security holes, including being able to trick the shell used
during the os.popen() to do evil things.  I include your mailbomb
example as another security hole in Sendmail.py.  I'm strongly
considering removing Sendmail.py from MM2.1, but I want to know why
some people seem to prefer to use it instead of SMTPDirect.py first.

I suspect the reason is because Sendmail tends to want to do recipient
domain verification when invoked through smtp, even if the connection
is through localhost, while connecting through "sendmail -bs" it does
not.  If that's the primary reason, then we have two choices: 1)
document what Sendmail users should do in order to fix this problem in
their MTA, or 2) dig up the patches to enhance smtplib.py to do
sendmail -bs connections (I know there have been at least one such
contribution, but I'd have to search around for it).

I really want everybody to use SMTPDirect.py from now on, so let's fix
things so even the Sendmail.py'ers can.

>>>>> "TW" == Thomas Wouters  writes:

    TW> Sorry, this is the wrong fix. "\n." isn't the pattern that
    TW> breaks it; you want "\r?\n.\r?\n". And the proper escape of a
    TW> single dot on a line is doubling it (see the SMTP standard.)
    TW> Barry, do you have a clue whether msgtext is guaranteed (not)
    TW> to have \r's (CR) in them ? If either is guaranteed, we don't
    TW> even need to use that ugly 're' module :)

Now, as to line endings and single-dot termination lines.  Python's
smtplib does the right thing here, and it fortunately hides everything
from the module client.  That's a big reason why SMTPDirect.py users
never get into trouble; it uses smtplib.  smtplib properly line
terminates according to RFC 2821 regardless of the line termination of
the source text.  It also properly implements dot-line transparency
according to $4.5.2.

On the receiving end, it appears that all the major Unix MTAs properly
undo the dot-line escaping, and convert all line endings to Unix line
endings (LF-only) before handing the text off to a program or file.
I didn't find Postfix documentation on this, but testing and this
message

    http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2000-02/0686.html

confirm this to be the case.  Exim has a configuration option
"use_crlf" which controls this behavior, but since the default value
is false, I'm guessing that most Exim installations canonicalize the
line endings to Unix-style too.  I suspect Sendmail does the same
thing, although I haven't found a definitive description yet.

So I think it's fair to assume that by the time Mailman's wrapper gets
a message, the line endings have all been converted to Unix-style LF
termination.

So I think Thomas is right that we don't need re and can just check
for the first character being a `.' and if so, quote it by adding a
leading `.'.

But I'm still more inclined to 1) zap Sendmail.py /and/ 2) merge
support for sendmail -bs into smtplib.py

-Barry



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Wed Aug  1 22:49:00 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:49:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using site password, can't see private roster
Message-ID: <20010801164900.A680@mems-exchange.org>

We have a list ("mems-talk at mems-exchange.org") where the subscription
list is private -- for the list admin's eyes only.  I'm not the list
admin (ie. don't have the admin password for this list), but I do have
the site password -- I can (and do!) use it to access the admin pages
for this list, ie. /mailman/admin/mems-talk.

But when I try to access the roster page, /mailman/roster/mems-talk,
(after having already authenticated with the site password for the admin
page), it tells me

  "mems-talk subscriber list requires authentication."

Huh?  Isn't the authentication I did to access admin/mems-talk good
enough?  Is this one case where the site password isn't good enough and
I need the list password?  Or is it a bug?

This is Mailman 2.0.5 under Apache 1.3.19 on Debian Linux 2.2.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From barry at zope.com  Wed Aug  1 23:11:40 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:11:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looping digest - mailman bug?
References: <20010730133518.C61068-100000@phred.org>
	<20010730233356.D20671@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <15208.28812.291176.578137@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TW" == Thomas Wouters  writes:

    TW> My question was whether the message text, at that moment, was
    TW> guaranteed to contain CR's (or guaranteed not to contain
    TW> them.) I'm not sure what kind of mangling Barry's mimelib does
    TW> :)

I don't think there are any hard guarantees, but certainly current
practice seems to be for Unix MTAs to deliver the message locally to
file or program with line endings canonicalized to LF only.

I actually think this is the right thing to do.  Let the protocol
specific module deal with massaging the data according to the spec,
but let client code deal with it in a natural, albeit platform
specific way.

mimelib doesn't do any explicit mangling of line endings.  Parser uses
fp.readline() and Generator uses the print command's implicit line
ending behavior which should both adhere to the local line ending
conventions.

-Barry



From rick at niof.net  Wed Aug  1 23:12:35 2001
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:12:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly reminders
Message-ID: <20010801171235.B8733@tc.niof.net>

When I was running mailman 1.x (debian) I had users who complained about
getting two reminders so I commented out the line in root's crontab,
leaving the one in /etc/cron.monthly/mailman.

Late last June I upgraded to the debian testing version of mailman and
now I'm not getting any reminders sent out at all.

What do I need to change now?

BTW, is this in someway related to all the syslog entries like the
following? Is it possible (wise) to stop them?

Aug  1 17:10:01 tc /USR/SBIN/CRON[12444]: (list) CMD ([ -x \
/usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && \
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)

-- 
When under the pretext of fraternity, the legal code imposes
mutual sacrifices on the citizens, human nature is not thereby
abrogated. Everyone will then direct his efforts toward
contributing little to, and taking much from, the common fund of
sacrifices. Now, is it the most unfortunate who gains from this
struggle? Certainly not, but rather the most influential and
calculating.
	-- Fr?d?ric Bastiat (1801-1850)
    Rick Pasotto    rickp at telocity.com    http://www.niof.net



From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Aug  1 23:37:47 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:37:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modules relationship 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Yanuar Nugroho"  
   of "Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:51:20 BST." <012e01c11a99$6d3e4340$9baa5882@halls.umist.ac.uk> 
References: <15207.42241.672180.698053@anthem.wooz.org>  <012e01c11a99$6d3e4340$9baa5882@halls.umist.ac.uk> 
Message-ID: <2333.996701867@2wire.com>

On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:51:20 +0100 
Yanuar Nugroho  wrote:

> If I would like to know how the modules are interrelated each
> other, along with their functionalities in Mailman, what
> documentation should I consult?

The source?

-- 
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claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From barry at zope.com  Thu Aug  2 00:57:38 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:57:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Looping problem...
References: 
Message-ID: <15208.35170.504076.609103@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "TS" == TJ Snider  writes:

    TS> I just ended up with a nasty loop... just when starting up a
    TS> list.

    TS> Use Mailman 2.0.5.  Turn on the anonymous_list option, so mail
    TS> seems to come from the list.  Have someone on the list have a
    TS> vacation notice setup.

    TS> The notice loops... in this case up to 600 times, overnight,
    TS> before I caught it.

    TS> Is there any way of maintaining the anonymous_list feature
    TS> without the looping?  I've turned the anonymous_list feature
    TS> off, but if it can't handle vacation notices, what's the use?

I'm not sure what can be done on Mailman's end, but I think you have a
buggy vacation program on your hands.

I just checked the latest version of vacation on SourceForge, and it
seems to do many sane things to stop the loop on its end.  These
include: never respond to messages with "Precedence: bulk", and never
respond if the user is not in the To: or Cc: line.  Both of these
conditions should be true (thus suppressing vacation notices) for all
messages sent through Mailman.  So "working" vacation programs should
not generate mail loops.

How can Mailman defend against busted vacation programs?  /Maybe/ it
could look for "Subject: away from my mail".  Maybe it could look for
"User-Agent: vacation .*" as at least vacation 1.2.5 adds.  The former
seems quite error prone since the user can set that Subject: header to
anything they want.  Plus, you could set bounce_matching_headers to
trigger on this, holding such messages for approval.  The latter seems
useless because I'm guessing that any vacation program sophisticated
enough to add a User-Agent: header is also sophisticated enough to not
send the reply to a mailing list posting in the first place.

-Barry



From jhackett at kc.rr.com  Thu Aug  2 01:28:08 2001
From: jhackett at kc.rr.com (Jonny Hackett)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:28:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1a2 error with senddigest
Message-ID: <004001c11ae1$9f06c7b0$b73d1a41@jonny54c9p0i9w>

Anyone know what causes this error?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 25, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
    from mimelib.address import getaddresses
ImportError: No module named mimelib.address

-jonny
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From kaja at daimi.au.dk  Thu Aug  2 15:54:53 2001
From: kaja at daimi.au.dk (Kaja P. Christiansen)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:54:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Looping digest - mailman bug?
In-Reply-To: <15208.26804.372186.20266@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <15205.38107.541898.68781@daimi.au.dk>
	<15208.26804.372186.20266@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <15209.23469.63868.630102@daimi.au.dk>


Barry A. Warsaw writes:

 > Okay, several issues going on here.  First, let me ask: why are you
 > using Sendmail.py instead of SMTPDirect.py?

I have no weighty reason, I'm afraid. I experimented with both, in early 
Mailman installations, and recall that there was some problem with getting 
SMTPDirect to work; setup with Sendmail was fine so I settled for that.

 > The former has well known
 > adverse security holes, including being able to trick the shell used
 > during the os.popen() to do evil things.  I include your mailbomb
 > example as another security hole in Sendmail.py.  I'm strongly
 > considering removing Sendmail.py from MM2.1, but I want to know why
 > some people seem to prefer to use it instead of SMTPDirect.py first.

I no longer have the older versions of Mailman, but current Defaults.py 
and Sendmail.py do have warning about perils. Maybe one could add it to
README.SENDMAIL as well? It would make people stop and reconsider the setup.

Thank you for your letter. I made a test configuration of Mailman with 
SMTPDirect module and there was no trouble at all.

Kaja




From wrd at awenet.com  Thu Aug  2 20:38:39 2001
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:38:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MX lookup failures blocking queue
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

There seems to be a little DNS weirdness going on today -- a couple
domains used by subscribers to my list can't be looked up.  Their local
nameservers are timing out, so mailman is logging errors like so:

     Can not check MX records for recipient host

Now, it's understandable that this would prevent delivery to the
individual subscriber, but it seems to have blocked up the list entirely
-- messages have been piling up in the queue since yesterday.  My other
lists are still working fine.

Is it normal for one MX lookup problem to botch the whole message?  Is
there anything to be done short of unsubscribing those people until their
ISP's get the problem straightened out?

Thanks,

-Bill


--
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 wrd at awenet.com                              http://www.manoutoftime.org/

       Someday they'll probably make a movie out of all of this
       There won't even have to be a murder, just a slow dissolving kiss

                                          - Elvis Costello




From drkrause at mindspring.com  Thu Aug  2 19:54:23 2001
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:54:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad lag?
Message-ID: <3B6993CE.DF2F6E19@mindspring.com>

Our list is large (about 650 members) and there's quite a lag from
posting to receipt -- 90 minutes in some cases. Are there any ways we
can tune this? Running with mailman 2.0.6 with sendmail on Redhat 7.

All help appreciated! Thanks!
Drew Krause




From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Thu Aug  2 18:48:14 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:48:14 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] pls HELP!!!
Message-ID: <01080216481402.03219@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Hi,

I belief that this message doesn't mean thats there is a bug in mailman;
it's an information for end-users;
it was irritating me too, when I was setting up mailman.

There is something wrong with your mailman-installation;
I  suppose - that it have something to do with the access-rights
of some files (config.db maybe);
but upgrading to a recent version is nevertheless a good idea.

:-)

regards
Oliver

Message from Wed 01 August 2001 18:47:
> On 01 August 2001, Rimas said:
> > Please help us to solve following problem.
>
> [...]
>
> > Bug in Mailman version 1.1
>
> You should probably upgrade to the a recent version of Mailman; the
> latest is 2.0.6.
>
>         Greg

--
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Tel. +49 641 309-1283
Fax  +49 641 309-2908
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From masonc at masonc.com  Thu Aug  2 17:59:29 2001
From: masonc at masonc.com (Chris Mason)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:59:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no attachments
Message-ID: 

We've had so many cases of virus infections spread by our mailing list that
we would like to totally ban all email that have attachments of our list. We
don't care if it causes some messages to be rejected, the other alternative
is to shut the list down entirely.
Is there a way to do this with mailman, I can't find anything.

Chris Mason
masonc at masonc.com
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From claw at 2wire.com  Thu Aug  2 21:10:51 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:10:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MX lookup failures blocking queue 
In-Reply-To: Message from "William R. Dickson"  
   of "Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:38:39 PDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <8822.996779451@2wire.com>

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:38:39 -0700 (PDT) 
William R Dickson  wrote:

> Hi all, There seems to be a little DNS weirdness going on today --
> a couple domains used by subscribers to my list can't be looked
> up.  Their local nameservers are timing out, so mailman is logging
> errors like so:

>      Can not check MX records for recipient host

This is an MTA configuration problem, not a Mailman problem.  You
have your MTA configured to do DNS lookups on receipt of messages.
That is both the source of the message and the source of the problem
(Mailman is merely repeating it into its logs).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
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claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From dcoonley at ix.netcom.com  Wed Aug  1 20:59:08 2001
From: dcoonley at ix.netcom.com (dcoonley)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:59:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: email lists [Z4W4S7O]
References: <20010731160019.25040.qmail@tkt.pair.com>
Message-ID: <3B68516F.E015924A@ix.netcom.com>

I just wanted to re-state what Mark, my client sent you, for Mailman
support contact to come into the discussion. I am wondering if, with
both your expertise on this we can find some sort of solution for my
client. Perhaps a file import or integration with Outlook can be
accomplished to provide a degree of solution to his problem.

(Background for Mailmain support contact and see email history with Pair
support below my signature text.) I have a client that uses the Outlook
categories function and has only a couple of categories with no more
than 200 names in them that he regularly communicates with. Starting
Aug. 8, Verizon, his provider, will not let him use their mail server to
send mail with a non-Verizon domain in the sending email address -- he
wants to use his Web address in his email for business purposes
(mark at softwarefinace.org instead of mark at verizon.com). 

Is there anyway Pair's Pair's mailing list service (using Mailman 2.0)
can permit him to maintain/edit/expand only the one list in Outlook and
use that list to send his mail through the Pair's mailing list service server?

Can he somehow perhaps integrate Mailman 2.0 with his Outlook software,
or import a file of his Outlook-based email lists? 

The issue here is some way around manually typing in a new list for
something he already maintains in Outlook. A way to import the email
list file and then the periodic import of new files to overwrite the old
may be acceptable. (Certainly easier than  typing by hand.)

Any you already know, any help or quick action on this would be greatly
appreciated. He has an upcoming deadline of August 7.


Thank you --Dan

____________________
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President
DJC Group
Communications for Print and Electronic Media

Phone: 301-585-1933
Fax:  301-585-1933
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support at pair.com wrote:
> 
> Hello Mr. Coonley,
> 
> I'm sorry for the delay. At this time, there isn't anything that we can
> offer you beyond the usage of our pairList service. You can find out more
> about this service by visiting here:
> 
>                 http://www.pair.com/pair/pairlist/
> 
> If you should decide that you want to sign up for this service, please go
> here:
> 
>                         http://www.pair.com/pair/pairlist/signup.html
> 
> Should you have any more questions, please feel free to contact us.
> 
> Brian
> 
> > I wanted to follow-up with this email. Can you please  make me current
> > on this issue and tell me the outcome of this request to date.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Dan Coonley
> > (reseller of www.softwarefinance.org)
> > ____________________
> > Dan Coonley
> > President
> > DJC Group
> > Communications for Print and Electronic Media
> >
> > Phone: 301-585-1933
> > Fax:  301-585-1933
> > 154 Fleetwood Terrace
> > Silver Spring, MD 20910-5511
> > http://www.djcgroup.com
> >
> >
> > Mark Nebergall wrote:
> > >
> > > Currently, I send my email using the smtp server at Verizon because
> > your
> > > outgoing mail server limits the number of recipients I can mail to.
> > > Starting Aug. 8, Verizon will not let me use its server to send mail
> > with a
> > > non-Verizon domain in the sending email address.  I do not want to use
> > an
> > > email list service because I do not want the hassle of maintaining more
> > than
> > > one list, I use the Outlook categories function.  I have a couple of
> > > categories with no more than 200 names in them that I regularly
> > communicate
> > > with.  Is there anyway you can permit me to send my mail through your
> > server
> > > and expand the number of recipients I can send to?  (Frankly, your
> > server is
> > > more reliable than Verizon) My username is SFEC 274 and my password is
> > > BlowFish82.
> > >
> > > Mark Nebergall
> > > President
> > > Software Finance and Tax Executives Council
> > > 1150 17th Street, NW Suite 601
> > > Washington, DC  20036
> > > mnebergall at softwarefinance.org
> > > Phone: (202) 331-9533
> > > Mobile: (202) 486-3725
> > > eFax: (425) 732-9206

--



From ChristB at visuaide.com  Thu Aug  2 15:35:50 2001
From: ChristB at visuaide.com (Christian Billette)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failed to access config info
Message-ID: <3B691EF6.27199.944F7D6@localhost>

Somebody know what it's mean.

Subjet:Cron  /usr/bin/python 
/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in 
main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, 
in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, 
in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access 
config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Thank you !

Christian B.
Network Administrator
Visuaide, inc.



From claw at 2wire.com  Thu Aug  2 21:12:52 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:12:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad lag? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Drew Krause  
   of "Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:54:23 PDT." <3B6993CE.DF2F6E19@mindspring.com> 
References: <3B6993CE.DF2F6E19@mindspring.com> 
Message-ID: <8835.996779572@2wire.com>

On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:54:23 -0700 
Drew Krause  wrote:

> Our list is large (about 650 members) and there's quite a lag from
> posting to receipt -- 90 minutes in some cases. Are there any ways
> we can tune this? Running with mailman 2.0.6 with sendmail on
> Redhat 7.

Odds are you have your MTA configured to do DNS lookup verifications
of message envelopes.  This can and will chew significant time.  It
will chew even more time if you don't have a local cacheing name
server.

Note: There are second order problems with turning off DNS checks
under Sendmail (see prior messages from Chuq).  Recommend: Lose
sendmail and get a decent MTA.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From michaelo at excitehome.net  Thu Aug  2 21:15:09 2001
From: michaelo at excitehome.net (Michael Olivier)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:15:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad lag?
In-Reply-To: <3B6993CE.DF2F6E19@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010802121110.032a5df0@mailhost.atext.com>

At 10:54 AM 8/2/2001 -0700, Drew Krause wrote:
>Our list is large (about 650 members) and there's quite a lag from
>posting to receipt -- 90 minutes in some cases. Are there any ways we
>can tune this? Running with mailman 2.0.6 with sendmail on Redhat 7.
>
>All help appreciated! Thanks!

Drew, you may want to see where the lag is happening... check the headers 
in mail that takes a long time to see what server it gets stuck on.... also 
you can check the end of /var/log/maillog on your mail server to see what's 
happening with outgoing mail.  If you have a lot of recipients who are hard 
to reach, it could take a while.  A tight limit on your outgoing bandwidth 
could impact you.  And you could consider replacing standard sendmail with 
a high-performance alternative like postfix (www.postfix.org), which I use 
and like quite well.

--Michael




From wrd at awenet.com  Thu Aug  2 21:31:15 2001
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:31:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MX lookup failures blocking queue 
In-Reply-To: <8822.996779451@2wire.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, J C Lawrence wrote:

> > Hi all, There seems to be a little DNS weirdness going on today --
> > a couple domains used by subscribers to my list can't be looked
> > up.  Their local nameservers are timing out, so mailman is logging
> > errors like so:
> 
> >      Can not check MX records for recipient host
> 
> This is an MTA configuration problem, not a Mailman problem.  You
> have your MTA configured to do DNS lookups on receipt of messages.
> That is both the source of the message and the source of the problem
> (Mailman is merely repeating it into its logs).

Based on my logs and a test, it appears to be happening when the messages
are being sent, not when they're received.  And indeed, I would expect
sendmail to do a DNS lookup on the MX host of the recipient's domain;
otherwise, it wouldn't know where to send the message.  (I'm by no means a
sendmail expert, so if I'm mistaken about that, please tell me.)  So, yes,
it's sendmail that's having trouble looking up the destination address,
not mailman.

Here's what surprises me, though.  If I send mail directly to one of the
bad addresses and one of the good addresses, just using mail -v so I can
see what's going on, the message is queued to the bad address for retrying
later, and the message is delivered to the good address.  But when mailman
tries to deliver a message to a list of addresses, one of which is bad, it
doesn't deliver to anybody -- it simply leaves the message in qfiles.

-Bill


--
 William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968
 wrd at awenet.com                              http://www.manoutoftime.org/

  Professor: Hey! Unless this a nude love in, get the hell off my property.
Tresspasser: You can't OWN property, man.
  Professor: I can.  But that's because I'M not a penniless hippie."

                                                   - Futurama




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Thu Aug  2 21:23:23 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:23:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no attachments
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20010802212323.04fcb450.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:59:29 -0400
"Chris Mason"  wrote:

> We've had so many cases of virus infections spread by our mailing list
> that
> we would like to totally ban all email that have attachments of our
> list. We
> don't care if it causes some messages to be rejected, the other
> alternative
> is to shut the list down entirely.
> Is there a way to do this with mailman, I can't find anything.

An answer is "hidden" in the FAQ on the Mailman 2.1 info site...
(to add some additional information... the idea is to put one of these
mentioned scripts into the /etc/aliases, so they strip attachments before
they arrive at the list)

Q. My users hate HTML in their email and for security reasons, I want to
strip out all MIME attachments. How can I do this?
A. Mailman 2.1 will probably have this feature built-in, but for now you
can use add-on tools such as demime or stripmime. More information on
these tools can be found at:

(Stripmime) http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.html.

(Demime) http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html.


-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug  2 19:49:47 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:49:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
In-Reply-To: <693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]>; from me@RichRamos.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 02:07:25PM -0500
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com> <693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]>
Message-ID: <20010802134947.A1452@mems-exchange.org>

On 01 August 2001, Rich Ramos said:
> Why do the monthly mailings get sent from the admin of the first list that 
> got created after mailman was installed rather than the global mailman 
> admin?

A few minutes digging through the source (specifically,
cron/mailpasswds and Mailman/Utils.py) explains the mechanism.

It looks like this is what happens: cron/mailpasswds loops over all
lists on the system until it finds an advertised one.  The list of all
lists is supplied by Mailman.Utils.list_names(), which simply returns
the list of directories in ~mailman/lists/.  This is done with Python's
os.listdir() function, which goes by the physical order in the
filesystem.

In other words, it might as well be random, but I'm not surprised that
it consistently uses the first list created on some systems.  It's a
crapshoot.

What I can't explain is *why* the mailpasswds script works this way.  It
seems dumb, for the reasons you and Sarah have discovered and explained.
It's probably just a cheap shortcut for getting access to the code that
delivers messages "from a list".

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug  2 19:58:41 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:58:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1a2 error with senddigest
In-Reply-To: <004001c11ae1$9f06c7b0$b73d1a41@jonny54c9p0i9w>; from jhackett@kc.rr.com on Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 06:28:08PM -0500
References: <004001c11ae1$9f06c7b0$b73d1a41@jonny54c9p0i9w>
Message-ID: <20010802135840.B1452@mems-exchange.org>

On 01 August 2001, Jonny Hackett said:
> Anyone know what causes this error?
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 25, in ?
>     from Mailman import MailList
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
>     from mimelib.address import getaddresses
> ImportError: No module named mimelib.address

Yeah, there's no such module as mimelib.address in your Python
interpreter's search path.  I've never heard of a Python module (or
package) called mimelib -- it's not in my local 1.5.2, 2.1, or 2.2a1
installations.

Also, I don't see that line of code in the Mailman 2.0.6 source I just
downloaded.  What version of Mailman are you using?

        Greg
--
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jas at nysia.org  Thu Aug  2 22:28:48 2001
From: jas at nysia.org (Jaswinder Hayre)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:28:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing with site pw
Message-ID: 

Hello,

Normally if you send email to [listname]-request at x.y.com with the subject
of "subscribe [pw] address=a at b.com" Mailman will send mail back to
a at b.com for a confirmation request.

So I began to write a perl script that will get rid
of this intermediate need for a request, by sending an email to mailman
with the site password in the subject. I did this in the hope that it will not
ask the subscribing address to reply with a confirmation because it will
have the all-mighty site pw included.  Can this really
work if i provide the site pw?

I know unsubscription actually works in one step if you provide the site
pw.


Jas





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug  2 22:56:57 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:56:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no attachments
In-Reply-To: ; from masonc@masonc.com on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:59:29AM -0400
References: 
Message-ID: <20010802165657.A3408@mems-exchange.org>

On 02 August 2001, Chris Mason said:
> We've had so many cases of virus infections spread by our mailing list that
> we would like to totally ban all email that have attachments of our list. We
> don't care if it causes some messages to be rejected, the other alternative
> is to shut the list down entirely.
> Is there a way to do this with mailman, I can't find anything.

If Mailman won't do it (it does sound like a useful option), you might
be able to do it with your MTA.  We use Exim, and its filtering
capability is the bee's knees.  We have a system filter that bounces
anything with executable-looking content, executable attachments, or a
couple of other known virus signatures.  It has bounced 10 or 15
instances of the Sircam worm alone in the last day or two.

We have it setup to bounce worms to *any* address, but you could
probably write a filter to bounce any mail with attachments to specific
addresses -- although I bet the former is preferable!

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Aug  2 23:26:36 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:26:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix error
References: 
Message-ID: <3B69C58C.1B75341D@nleaudio.com>

Hey gang,

On a list that has been working flawlessly for 6 months, this morning it suddenly stopped.  I got an email from Postfix (2-28-2001 version) with:

Transcript of session follows.

 Out: 220 main.nlenet.net ESMTP Postfix
 In:  ehlo main.nlenet.net
 Out: 250-main.nlenet.net
 Out: 250-PIPELINING
 Out: 250-SIZE 10240000
 Out: 250-ETRN
 Out: 250 8BITMIME
 In:  mail FROM: size=2760
 Out: 250 Ok
 In:  rcpt TO:
 Out: 250 Ok
(deleted lots of people)
 In:  rcpt TO:
 Out: 250 Ok
 In:  data
 Out: 354 End data with .
 Out: 451 Error: queue file write error
 In:  rset
 Out: 250 Ok
 In:  quit
 Out: 221 Bye

No message was collected successfully.

I am running Mailman 2.0.1 on this particular list.  Checked the mailman logs, and just found that it couldn't deliver messages to postfix.  Checked the Postfix log, and really didn't find anything... I see where the messages came in, but nothing was sent out.  Checked the archives - no new messages.  Looked in the locks directory - aha, locks!  Deleted them, they came back the next minute.  Tried this a couple times, no go.
All the while Postfix was sending and receiving mail fine, including other Mailman lists (on a separate install).

After mailing myself a copy of my postfix log, I got a few more emails like the above, then bam, it kicked back in, delivering all the backed up mail!  Been working ok ever since.  

What happened???  I had plenty of space (and free inodes) on /var, which was the only thing I could come up with from looking at postfix.org.

Bob



From mentor at alb-net.com  Thu Aug  2 23:23:44 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:23:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix error
In-Reply-To: <3B69C58C.1B75341D@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: 

If this happened today in the early hours of the morning till little bit
after noon (EST), and you had enable any of the spam blocking features to
used mail-abuse.org, than you are not the only one. Apparently, the
mail-abuse.org (or part of it) might have been down. At least this is my
experience....

My mailman stopped delivering suddenly for the entire morning. It did
start again OK after after i removed the reject_maps_rbl from the
smtpd_sender_restrictions .

This is what I think it happened... but then , who knows :)

--
Mentor

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, at 17:26 -0400, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
 > Hey gang,
 >
 > On a list that has been working flawlessly for 6 months, this morning it suddenly stopped.  I got an email from Postfix (2-28-2001 version) with:
 >
 > Transcript of session follows.
 >
 >  Out: 220 main.nlenet.net ESMTP Postfix
 >  In:  ehlo main.nlenet.net
 >  Out: 250-main.nlenet.net
 >  Out: 250-PIPELINING
 >  Out: 250-SIZE 10240000
 >  Out: 250-ETRN
 >  Out: 250 8BITMIME
 >  In:  mail FROM: size=2760
 >  Out: 250 Ok
 >  In:  rcpt TO:
 >  Out: 250 Ok
 > (deleted lots of people)
 >  In:  rcpt TO:
 >  Out: 250 Ok
 >  In:  data
 >  Out: 354 End data with .
 >  Out: 451 Error: queue file write error
 >  In:  rset
 >  Out: 250 Ok
 >  In:  quit
 >  Out: 221 Bye
 >
 > No message was collected successfully.
 >
 > I am running Mailman 2.0.1 on this particular list.  Checked the mailman logs, and just found that it couldn't deliver messages to postfix.  Checked the Postfix log, and really didn't find anything... I see where the messages came in, but nothing was sent out.  Checked the archives - no new messages.  Looked in the locks directory - aha, locks!  Deleted them, they came back the next minute.  Tried this a couple times, no go.
 > All the while Postfix was sending and receiving mail fine, including other Mailman lists (on a separate install).
 >
 > After mailing myself a copy of my postfix log, I got a few more emails like the above, then bam, it kicked back in, delivering all the backed up mail!  Been working ok ever since.
 >
 > What happened???  I had plenty of space (and free inodes) on /var, which was the only thing I could come up with from looking at postfix.org.
 >
 > Bob
 >
 > ------------------------------------------------------
 > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
 > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 >




From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Aug  2 23:41:12 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:41:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix error
References: 
Message-ID: <3B69C8F8.99289314@nleaudio.com>

I am subscribed to mail-abuse's system, so perhaps that does explain it!  I would think though there should be some better error messages that would identify this.  Also, why would some mail (on other lists) get delivered?

Bob



From mentor at alb-net.com  Thu Aug  2 23:32:41 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:32:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix error
In-Reply-To: <3B69C8F8.99289314@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, at 17:41 -0400, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
 > I am subscribed to mail-abuse's system, so perhaps that does explain
 > it! I would think though there should be some better error messages
 > that would identify this.  Also, why would some mail (on other lists)
 > get delivered?
 >
 > Bob

On my machine, the mail that got delivered took extremely long time, perhaps
due to the timeouts governing the lookup of entries (via nslookup?) ....

--
Mentor




From fgoossens at reference.be  Thu Aug  2 23:49:30 2001
From: fgoossens at reference.be (Frank Goossens)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:49:30 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman commercial support
Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2EF82@pathfinder.reference.be>

i posted to this list a few days ago, but we have not been able to solve our
problem (duplicate mails being sent out, from 3 to 1500 mails to subscribers
of one of the mailinglists). 

as our customer is getting quite impatient to hear what caused this and how
we'll solve it, we might be interested in commercial mailman-support. do you
know of a company with enough expertise, preferably located in europe (or
who knows, even in belgium) that can provide this kind of support?

kind regards,
frank
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From cwieland at uci.edu  Fri Aug  3 00:26:40 2001
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:26:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated - message authorization
Message-ID: 

Does anyone have an explanation for this the sender and the owner are the same?

So why is it holding this one?  The @ sign in my subject line? that
makes no sense...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NACS-Faculty-Advisory post from droode at uci.edu requires approval
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu
To: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    NACS-Faculty-Advisory at uci.edu
    From:    droode at uci.edu
    Subject: The CodeRed Worm @ UCI
    Reason:  Message has implicit destination

At your convenience, visit:

    http://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/admindb/nacs-faculty-advisory

to approve or deny the request.



From jhackett at kc.rr.com  Fri Aug  3 03:18:32 2001
From: jhackett at kc.rr.com (Jonny Hackett)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:18:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1a2 error with senddigest
References: <004001c11ae1$9f06c7b0$b73d1a41@jonny54c9p0i9w> <20010802135840.B1452@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c11bba$3626bd20$b73d1a41@jonny54c9p0i9w>

I'm using 2.1 alpha 2.

On RH 7.0, with python version 2.0.1.

I opened up MailList.py and the line does exist in the file on my server...

from mimelib.address import getaddresses


-jonny

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Ward" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1a2 error with senddigest


> On 01 August 2001, Jonny Hackett said:
> > Anyone know what causes this error?
> > 
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 25, in ?
> >     from Mailman import MailList
> >   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
> >     from mimelib.address import getaddresses
> > ImportError: No module named mimelib.address
> 
> Yeah, there's no such module as mimelib.address in your Python
> interpreter's search path.  I've never heard of a Python module (or
> package) called mimelib -- it's not in my local 1.5.2, 2.1, or 2.2a1
> installations.
> 
> Also, I don't see that line of code in the Mailman 2.0.6 source I just
> downloaded.  What version of Mailman are you using?
> 
>         Greg
> --
> Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
> MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From goldman at hatewatch.org  Fri Aug  3 12:11:45 2001
From: goldman at hatewatch.org (David Goldman)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 06:11:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber list command
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Is there a "who" command in mailman that will email a text list of all
subscribers to
the list admin? If so what is the command..? Also what is a good way to back
up a list on mailman? Thanks

David Goldman
Executive Director, HateWatch.org
email: goldman at hatewatch.org
internet: http://hatewatch.org
Newsletter: http://hatewatch.org/mailman/listinfo/news_hatewatch.org
--
HateWatch.org is a not for profit organization monitoring the evolving
problem of online bigotry.





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug  3 15:44:33 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 09:44:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated - message authorization
In-Reply-To: ; from cwieland@uci.edu on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 03:26:40PM -0700
References: 
Message-ID: <20010803094433.A854@mems-exchange.org>

On 02 August 2001, Con Wieland said:
> So why is it holding this one?  The @ sign in my subject line? that
> makes no sense...

The hold message answers your question:

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: NACS-Faculty-Advisory post from droode at uci.edu requires approval
> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu
> To: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu
> 
> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
> 
>     List:    NACS-Faculty-Advisory at uci.edu
>     From:    droode at uci.edu
>     Subject: The CodeRed Worm @ UCI
>     Reason:  Message has implicit destination
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Presumably, the list that held this message was not mentioned in a "To"
or "Cc" header.  (Don't use "Bcc" to send to Mailman lists!)

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From info at gwbush.com  Fri Aug  3 15:54:19 2001
From: info at gwbush.com (Zack Exley)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 09:54:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface not working
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010803095114.022febc0@pop.mail.yahoo.com>

I just installed Mailman on a bsd server and the web interface seems not to 
be recognizing cookies and requires me to login every time I try to make 
changes on any of the screens. None of the changes to settings keep. 
Cookies are enabled on my browser. I tried enabling all different kinds of 
cookies and security options on  ie. I also made sure that my clock is 
synchronized with the server clock.

Any ideas?

Zack Exley




From alex at phred.org  Fri Aug  3 17:09:19 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:09:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber list command
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20010803080855.A37662-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, David Goldman wrote:
> Is there a "who" command in mailman that will email a text list of all
> subscribers to
> the list admin? If so what is the command..? Also what is a good way to back
> up a list on mailman? Thanks

Sure, just send email to the request address with a command of who.

alex




From sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us  Fri Aug  3 18:02:39 2001
From: sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (Scott Mayo)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:02:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to  configure apache to give cgi-bin to run CGI script?
Message-ID: <002101c11c35$b8aa56a0$771bb8cc@phibred.com>

I am new to using linux and need to set up a list serv.  I have mandrake
8.0 server, apache and postfix running.  I have setup Mailman up to the
point where it says to configure your web server to give $prefix/cgi-bin
permission to run CGI scripts.  Where and how do I do this.  Thanks.

Scott Mayo
Tech Coordinator
Bloomfield Schools
(573) 568-4562 (Elem)
(573) 568-4564 (Supt)
(573) 568-4565 (Fax)
(800) 264-2535 Pager # 2549




From waterknot1 at mac.com  Fri Aug  3 18:04:40 2001
From: waterknot1 at mac.com (waterknot1 at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Mac OS X
Message-ID: <200108031604.JAA11355@smtpout.mac.com>

I was able to compile and install 2.0.6 on Mac OS X. I made it all the 
way through creating a newlist. Recieved email for accessing the list. 
But, when I try to access the list with
IE, I get a 403 Forbidden. Can anyone offer any solutions to this 
problem?

Tim Roberts
Waterknot Productions
mailto:waterknot1 at home.com




From listmgr at perilpoint.com  Fri Aug  3 18:55:21 2001
From: listmgr at perilpoint.com (Bradford Shaw)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:55:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber list command
In-Reply-To: <20010803080855.A37662-100000@phred.org>
References: 
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010803115121.04a7bab0@perilpoint.com>

That command does not work for closed lists where the subscriber list can 
only be viewed by the administrator. I have tried multiple (Majordomo-type) 
commands but I am not able to get this to work for those. Does anyone have 
the exact email command to get the WHO for a closed list?

Bradford

At 08:09 AM 8/3/2001 -0700, alex wetmore wrote:
>On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, David Goldman wrote:
> > Is there a "who" command in mailman that will email a text list of all
> > subscribers to
> > the list admin? If so what is the command..? Also what is a good way to 
> back
> > up a list on mailman? Thanks
>
>Sure, just send email to the request address with a command of who.
>
>alex




From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:17:09 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:17:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
	<693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]>
Message-ID: <15210.56469.309395.634969@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "RR" == Rich Ramos  writes:

    RR> Why do the monthly mailings get sent from the admin of the
    RR> first list that got created after mailman was installed rather
    RR> than the global mailman admin?

It is a design defect that's been in Mailman forever.  I plan to fix
this for MM2.1 (hopefully tonight ;).

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:23:08 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:23:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using site password, can't see private roster
References: <20010801164900.A680@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <15210.56828.521986.364410@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GW" == Greg Ward  writes:

    GW> We have a list ("mems-talk at mems-exchange.org") where the
    GW> subscription list is private -- for the list admin's eyes
    GW> only.  I'm not the list admin (ie. don't have the admin
    GW> password for this list), but I do have the site password -- I
    GW> can (and do!) use it to access the admin pages for this list,
    GW> ie. /mailman/admin/mems-talk.

    GW> But when I try to access the roster page,
    GW> /mailman/roster/mems-talk, (after having already authenticated
    GW> with the site password for the admin page), it tells me

    GW>   "mems-talk subscriber list requires authentication."

    GW> Huh?  Isn't the authentication I did to access admin/mems-talk
    GW> good enough?  Is this one case where the site password isn't
    GW> good enough and I need the list password?  Or is it a bug?

    GW> This is Mailman 2.0.5 under Apache 1.3.19 on Debian Linux 2.2.

I think that's correct because in MM2.0.x CheckCookie() doesn't fall
back to the site password if the list password cookie can't be found.

Note that this /does/ work in MM2.1 because the authentication context
for roster.py is AuthUser -> AuthListModerator -> AuthListAdmin ->
AuthSiteAdmin.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:24:09 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:24:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1a2 error with senddigest
References: <004001c11ae1$9f06c7b0$b73d1a41@jonny54c9p0i9w>
Message-ID: <15210.56889.452156.770293@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JH" == Jonny Hackett  writes:

    JH> Anyone know what causes this error?

    | Traceback (most recent call last):
    |   File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 25, in ?
    |     from Mailman import MailList
    |   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
    |     from mimelib.address import getaddresses
    | ImportError: No module named mimelib.address

You need to upgrade to the latest CVS version, or remove the -S flags
from your crontab entries.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:27:41 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:27:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
	<693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]>
	<20010802134947.A1452@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <15210.57101.694373.614351@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GW" == Greg Ward  writes:

    GW> What I can't explain is *why* the mailpasswds script works
    GW> this way.  It seems dumb, for the reasons you and Sarah have
    GW> discovered and explained.  It's probably just a cheap shortcut
    GW> for getting access to the code that delivers messages "from a
    GW> list".

Bing, bing, bing!

It's been this way since before my time.  I intend to fix it for
MM2.1.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:28:49 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:28:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.1a2 error with senddigest
References: <004001c11ae1$9f06c7b0$b73d1a41@jonny54c9p0i9w>
	<20010802135840.B1452@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <15210.57169.412112.978761@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "GW" == Greg Ward  writes:

    GW> Yeah, there's no such module as mimelib.address in your Python
    GW> interpreter's search path.  I've never heard of a Python
    GW> module (or package) called mimelib -- it's not in my local
    GW> 1.5.2, 2.1, or 2.2a1 installations.

    GW> Also, I don't see that line of code in the Mailman 2.0.6
    GW> source I just downloaded.  What version of Mailman are you
    GW> using?

mimelib.sf.net and mimelib is required for MM2.1.  Right now it's a
separate download, but I expect 1) to ship it with MM2.1 once it's in
beta testing; 2) to get it into Python for Py2.2.

-Barry



From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:31:15 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:31:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribing with site pw
References: 
Message-ID: <15210.57315.508389.26528@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "JH" == Jaswinder Hayre  writes:

    JH> Normally if you send email to [listname]-request at x.y.com with
    JH> the subject of "subscribe [pw] address=a at b.com" Mailman will
    JH> send mail back to a at b.com for a confirmation request.

    JH> So I began to write a perl script that will get rid of this
    JH> intermediate need for a request, by sending an email to
    JH> mailman with the site password in the subject. I did this in
    JH> the hope that it will not ask the subscribing address to reply
    JH> with a confirmation because it will have the all-mighty site
    JH> pw included.  Can this really work if i provide the site pw?

No, because the password field you're providing in the subscribe
command is the password to assign to the user.  Think of it as
equivalent to the (now optional) password/confirm fields in the
your.dom.ain/mailman/listinfo/yourlist page.

-Barry



From pug at pug.net  Fri Aug  3 19:33:52 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:33:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
In-Reply-To: <15210.56469.309395.634969@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@zope.com on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 01:17:09PM -0400
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com> <693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]> <15210.56469.309395.634969@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010803123352.A12135@stardock.pug.net>

Barry A. Warsaw (barry at zope.com) said something that sounded like:
>     RR> Why do the monthly mailings get sent from the admin of the
>     RR> first list that got created after mailman was installed rather
>     RR> than the global mailman admin?
> It is a design defect that's been in Mailman forever.  I plan to fix
> this for MM2.1 (hopefully tonight ;).

We'll hold you to that. *grin*

Ciao,

-- 
Phelim "Pug" Gervase   | "I want to be called. COTTONTIPS. There is something 
Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |  graceful about that lady. A young woman bursting with 
Dark Horde Moritu      |  vigor. She blinked at the sudden light. She writes
pug at pug.net            |  beautiful poems. When ever shall we meet again?"
  Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.



From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:34:31 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:34:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix error
References: <3B69C58C.1B75341D@nleaudio.com>
	
Message-ID: <15210.57511.653748.458250@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "MC" == Mentor Cana  writes:

    MC> If this happened today in the early hours of the morning till
    MC> little bit after noon (EST), and you had enable any of the
    MC> spam blocking features to used mail-abuse.org, than you are
    MC> not the only one. Apparently, the mail-abuse.org (or part of
    MC> it) might have been down. At least this is my experience....

    MC> My mailman stopped delivering suddenly for the entire
    MC> morning. It did start again OK after after i removed the
    MC> reject_maps_rbl from the smtpd_sender_restrictions .

    MC> This is what I think it happened... but then , who knows :)

We had the /exact/ same problem on mail.{python,zope}.org.  Mailman
was basically blocked for about 12 hours then it suddenly started
flowing again.  I was mightily confused, as it seemed to be Exim just
being reeaalllllly slow in accepting connections (even from
localhost).

-Barry



From cwieland at uci.edu  Fri Aug  3 19:54:16 2001
From: cwieland at uci.edu (Con Wieland)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:54:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated - message authorization
Message-ID: 

Does anyone have an explanation for this the sender and the owner are the same?

So why is it holding this one?  The @ sign in my subject line? that
makes no sense...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: NACS-Faculty-Advisory post from droode at uci.edu requires approval
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu
To: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu

As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:

    List:    NACS-Faculty-Advisory at uci.edu
    From:    droode at uci.edu
    Subject: The CodeRed Worm @ UCI
    Reason:  Message has implicit destination

At your convenience, visit:

    http://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/admindb/nacs-faculty-advisory

to approve or deny the request.



From callinma at gse.harvard.edu  Fri Aug  3 20:10:52 2001
From: callinma at gse.harvard.edu (Peggy Callinan)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:10:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I/O operation on closed file
Message-ID: <3B6AE92C.47AE47DC@gse.harvard.edu>

We've been using Mailman 2.0beta5 for some time now, but recently we've
started to see multiple postings of a single message on many of our
lists. The message headers show the same message id for each instance of
the posting, but the MTA log only indicates that the message was sent to
the list once. We use SMTPDirect for the Delivery module. The error log
message is:

Aug 01 11:13:03 2001 (10226) Delivery exception: I/O operation on closed
file
Aug 01 11:13:03 2001 (10226) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82,
in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 106,
in process
    mlist.RegisterBounce(recip, msg, saveifdirty=0)
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 147, in
RegisterBounce
    self.HandleBouncingAddress(addr, msg)
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 245, in
HandleBouncingAddress
    msg.rewindbody()
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py", line 104, in
rewindbody
    self.fp.seek(self.startofbody)
ValueError: I/O operation on closed file

Does anyone have any ideas? I intend to upgrade in the near future, but
am hoping to fix this sooner. Thanks



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Aug  3 20:03:23 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:03:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix error
In-Reply-To: <15210.57511.653748.458250@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: 

On 8/3/01 10:34 AM, "Barry A. Warsaw"  wrote:

>   MC> little bit after noon (EST), and you had enable any of the
>   MC> spam blocking features to used mail-abuse.org, than you are
>   MC> not the only one. Apparently, the mail-abuse.org (or part of
>   MC> it) might have been down. At least this is my experience....

> We had the /exact/ same problem on mail.{python,zope}.org.  Mailman
> was basically blocked for about 12 hours then it suddenly started
> flowing again.  I was mightily confused,

On August first, MAPS switched the RBL to the pay-for service. It looks like
they did it by firewalling the DNS except to sites that signed contracts.
What that seems to have done is caused all those sites that forgot to
disable RBL before the switchover to more or less hang. My mail queues went
bonkers, and I couldn't figure out why.

It looks like the cuase, now, was a lot of receiving sites closing down or
turning to sludge because of the MAPs change. And it also looks like MAPS
sometime yesterday went to a plan B that reduced the problem to sites still
trying to access their now-closed service, because I noticed yesterday sites
popping back online as they either pulled the RBL stuff out of their configs
or MAPS stopped acting like a dead DNS (think about it. If you are trying to
DNS lookup every piece of incoming mail through MAPS, and your server has to
wait for all of that to time out because you're blocked, how fast will your
server be?)

This had me going crazy, since I couldn't find a problem on MY site -- turns
out it wasn't my site... But that seems to be what happened, as far as I can
tell. MAPS pulled the free RBL service, and all of the sites attached to it
basically froze until the admins figured it out, or until the 2nd when MAPs
seems to have changed things to minimize that problem (probably by replacing
it with a service that simply returns null data, and moving their paid
customers elsewhere. At least, that's what I would have done).

I could editorialize on lots of this, but I think I'll save you getting
pissed at me... (grin)




-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome 
[ =  = ]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh
nervously and change the subject.







From listmgr at perilpoint.com  Fri Aug  3 20:29:07 2001
From: listmgr at perilpoint.com (Bradford Shaw)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:29:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated - message authorization
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010803132303.00c9c930@perilpoint.com>

You have your list set to moderated and you have the Privacy option set to 
"Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with the list address".

The "@" in the Subject: line was placed there by droode at uci.edu (the 
poster) probably as a shortcut to the word "at" (cutesy).

Bradford

At 10:54 AM 8/3/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Does anyone have an explanation for this the sender and the owner are the 
>same?
>
>So why is it holding this one?  The @ sign in my subject line? that
>makes no sense...
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: NACS-Faculty-Advisory post from droode at uci.edu requires approval
>Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
>From: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu
>To: nacs-faculty-advisory-admin at uci.edu
>
>As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
>following mailing list posting:
>
>     List:    NACS-Faculty-Advisory at uci.edu
>     From:    droode at uci.edu
>     Subject: The CodeRed Worm @ UCI
>     Reason:  Message has implicit destination
>
>At your convenience, visit:
>
>     http://maillists.uci.edu/mailman/admindb/nacs-faculty-advisory
>
>to approve or deny the request.




From barry at zope.com  Fri Aug  3 19:41:44 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 13:41:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
	<693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]>
	<15210.56469.309395.634969@anthem.wooz.org>
	<20010803123352.A12135@stardock.pug.net>
Message-ID: <15210.57944.374299.497835@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "PB" == Pug Bainter  writes:

    PB> Barry A. Warsaw (barry at zope.com) said something that sounded
    PB> like:
    >> RR> Why do the monthly mailings get sent from the admin of the
    >> RR> first list that got created after mailman was installed
    >> rather RR> than the global mailman admin?
    >> It is a design defect that's been in Mailman forever.  I plan
    >> to fix this for MM2.1 (hopefully tonight ;).

    PB> We'll hold you to that. *grin*

Well, I've been putting out system fires all week (the MTA
constipation that others fell victim to yesterday, and the
www.python.org disk loss).  Now if I can just stop reading and
responding to email, I might actually get some work done this week. ;)

-Barry



From pug at pug.net  Fri Aug  3 19:46:50 2001
From: pug at pug.net (Pug Bainter)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:46:50 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Header Info on monthly password reminders
In-Reply-To: <15210.57944.374299.497835@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@zope.com on Fri, Aug 03, 2001 at 01:41:44PM -0400
References: <002701c11ab8$e3e9a790$0200010a@home.beeze.com> <693167.996674844@[144.86.11.157]> <15210.56469.309395.634969@anthem.wooz.org> <20010803123352.A12135@stardock.pug.net> <15210.57944.374299.497835@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010803124650.A12190@stardock.pug.net>

Barry A. Warsaw (barry at zope.com) said something that sounded like:
>     >> It is a design defect that's been in Mailman forever.  I plan
>     >> to fix this for MM2.1 (hopefully tonight ;).
>     PB> We'll hold you to that. *grin*
> Well, I've been putting out system fires all week (the MTA
> constipation that others fell victim to yesterday, and the
> www.python.org disk loss). 

All those trivial things. Jeesh. *wink*

> Now if I can just stop reading and
> responding to email, I might actually get some work done this week. ;)

Like that will happen for any sysadmin. *grin*

Ciao,

-- 
Pug Bainter                                        |        AMD, Inc.
System Engineer, MTS                               |      Mail Stop 625
 Pug.Bainter at amd.com      |  pug at pug.net           |  5900 E. Ben White Blvd
 Phone: (512) 602-0364    |  Fax: (512) 602-6970   |     Austin, TX 78741
Note: The views may not reflect my employers, or even my own for that matter.



From sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us  Fri Aug  3 23:50:19 2001
From: sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (Scott Mayo)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:50:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup mailman but get following error when confirming?
Message-ID: <00f501c11c66$4a303600$771bb8cc@phibred.com>

I have setup mailman, but something must be wrong.  Everything goes fine
until I try to confirm by subscription and the I get the following
error:

This is the Postfix program at host mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

: unknown user: "test-request"


Any ideas what I need to do?

Scott Mayo
Tech Coordinator
Bloomfield Schools
(573) 568-4562 (Elem)
(573) 568-4564 (Supt)
(573) 568-4565 (Fax)
(800) 264-2535 Pager # 2549




From neilk at ActiveState.com  Thu Aug  2 23:42:17 2001
From: neilk at ActiveState.com (Neil Kandalgaonkar)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:42:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can non-member posts automatically bounce?
In-Reply-To: <15209.23469.63868.630102@daimi.au.dk>; from kaja@daimi.au.dk on Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 03:54:53PM +0200
References: <15205.38107.541898.68781@daimi.au.dk> <15208.26804.372186.20266@anthem.wooz.org> <15209.23469.63868.630102@daimi.au.dk>
Message-ID: <20010802144217.D10466@ActiveState.com>

Is there a configuration option to have non-member posts bounce 
automatically?

There doesn't seem to be one, so I'm hacking it in anyway.

-- 
Neil Kandalgaonkar, ActiveState
ASPN - ActiveState Programmer Network
http://ASPN.ActiveState.com/



From ChristB at visuaide.com  Fri Aug  3 14:41:04 2001
From: ChristB at visuaide.com (Christian Billette)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:41:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] errors of access
Message-ID: <3B6A63A0.4504.E393010@localhost>

Tell me if my question is not enough accurate.
I just installed Mailman and I receive this type of message by the cron. 

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in 
main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, 
in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, 
in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access 
config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Thank you !

Christian B.
Network Administrator
Visuaide, inc.



From waterknot1 at home.com  Fri Aug  3 17:55:34 2001
From: waterknot1 at home.com (waterknot1 at home.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 10:55:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Mac OS X
Message-ID: <20010803155536.BNU863.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost>

I was able to compile and install 2.0.6 on Mac OS X. I made it all the 
way through creating a newlist. Recieved email for accessing the list. 
But, when I try to access the list with
IE, I get a 403 Forbidden. Can anyone offer any solutions to this 
problem?

Tim Roberts
Waterknot Productions
mailto:waterknot1 at home.com



From runaway at rahul.net  Fri Aug  3 21:07:18 2001
From: runaway at rahul.net (Colin Andrews)
Date: Fri,  3 Aug 2001 12:07:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive headers and Eudora
Message-ID: <20010803190718.3389699D03@waltz.rahul.net>

I just moved a smallish list over from majordomo over to a mailman system at
my new web hosting service. Most of my list subscribers that use Eudora are
complaining about the excessive headers that mailman puts on messages to the
list. It seems that even with 'hide headers' on Eudora gets confused and lets
about 6 lines of header crud through into message body. In later versions of
Eudora for PC, viewing mail with the preview pane gets around this problem.

Is there any way on the list administrators side to cut down on the number of
headers that mailman adds to messages? I saw something like this on the
developer's wish list page, which makes me un-hopeful about finding a simple
solution. I haven't found any checkboxes on the admin pages that say
"remove excess crud from headers" or anything equally conspicuous.

If anyone knows about this, I'd appreciate some help.

I'm not on this mailing list so please include this e-mail in your reply.

Thanks
Colin Andrews



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sat Aug  4 00:38:33 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:38:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup mailman but get following error when confirming?
In-Reply-To: <00f501c11c66$4a303600$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
References: <00f501c11c66$4a303600$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
Message-ID: <20010804003833.5467d3a4.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:50:19 -0500
"Scott Mayo"  wrote:

> 
> I have setup mailman, but something must be wrong.  Everything goes fine
> until I try to confirm by subscription and the I get the following
> error:
> This is the Postfix program at host mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us.
> : unknown user: "test-request"

I think you forgot to update your /etc/aliases file as was instructed
after you ran ~mailman/bin/new_list ... but if you did, you probably
didn't have postfix reload it (type 'postfix reload')

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Sat Aug  4 06:54:02 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive headers and Eudora
In-Reply-To: <20010803190718.3389699D03@waltz.rahul.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010803211707.04770ce0@mail.ocentrix.com>

Colin,

Why not help your Eudora users on their end instead?  Show them how to use 
the "TabooHeaders" parameter in their eudora.ini file as below.
Any header they do not wish to see you can put in the list.  If they are 
not comfortable with text editors and manually editing ".ini" files, then 
Eudora has an easy way of helping them do it.

1. Find out exactly what headers people don't like.

Examples:
X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive

2. add them to the default list.

Here is what I have for my default list:

X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav

... now with the ones you don't want appended ...

X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive

3. Now place them after the TabooHeaders parameter.

TabooHeaders=X-UID,Received,Status,X-UIDL,Message,In-Reply,X-Priority,Mime-Version,Content-,X-Persona,Resent-Message,References,Return,X400,X-400,Mail-System,Errors-To,X-List,Delivery,Disposition,X-Juno,Precedence,X-Attachments,X-MSMail,X-MimeOLE,X-Nav,X-Sender,X-Mailer,Message-Id,Organization,X-Mailer,Sender,X-BeenThere,X-Mailman-Version,Content-Type,Content-Transfer-Encoding,List-Help,List-Post,List-Subscribe,List-Id,List-Unsubscribe,List-Archive

4. Paste this line into their eudora.ini file to replace the one that is 
already there.  (they might not have this line in their config as the 
default settings are actually hard coded into the software.)

or

4. Tell them to create a brand new message and address it to nobody. Then 
paste the following line into the body of the message.



This line is a command to Eudora to change its configuration settings.  If 
the mouse over the line they should see the command displayed in their 
status bar.  If they hit the ALT button when they hover over the line the 
cursor will turn into a finger.  Clicking on the line will then bring up a 
confirmation dialog asking if they really want to change their 
settings.  The dialog shows the default, current, and proposed value of the 
parameter.  All they have to do is click ok and its all done.

Heck if you want to be really lazy just forward this message to them and 
kick back.

-Ben

ps These instructions are for the Win version.  IIRC Anything post 3.0 
should work this way.  It shouldn't be too difficult to verify this for Mac 
users.


At 12:07 PM 8/3/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I just moved a smallish list over from majordomo over to a mailman system at
>my new web hosting service. Most of my list subscribers that use Eudora are
>complaining about the excessive headers that mailman puts on messages to the
>list. It seems that even with 'hide headers' on Eudora gets confused and lets
>about 6 lines of header crud through into message body. In later versions of
>Eudora for PC, viewing mail with the preview pane gets around this problem.
>
>Is there any way on the list administrators side to cut down on the number of
>headers that mailman adds to messages? I saw something like this on the
>developer's wish list page, which makes me un-hopeful about finding a simple
>solution. I haven't found any checkboxes on the admin pages that say
>"remove excess crud from headers" or anything equally conspicuous.
>
>If anyone knows about this, I'd appreciate some help.
>
>I'm not on this mailing list so please include this e-mail in your reply.
>
>Thanks
>Colin Andrews
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From me at RichRamos.com  Sat Aug  4 01:32:57 2001
From: me at RichRamos.com (Rich Ramos)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:32:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions on headers and parameters
Message-ID: <608072.996863577@localhost>


1. What is the parameter 'LIKELY_BOUNCE_SENDERS' suppose to do?  In 
reguards to bug #231776, could you use this as a work around?

2.  What are the headers'Sender:' & 'Errors-To:' suppose to be used for?
In the situation that is described in the bug report, why don't the headers 
get used?
 



From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Sat Aug  4 10:16:46 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:16:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
Message-ID: 

I've read the rather brief thread "Configuring Virtual Hosts" (July-2001)
but need a bit more to chew on...

My server hosts a handful of virtual domains, but let's focus on two for
the sake of this illustration:

 www.fremontftroop.org
 www.funkymonkeybutt.com

Only www.funkymonkeybutt.com is set-up for Mailman. The aliases are
currently mapped as:

/var/mailman/cgi-bin/		=  /cgi-bin/mailman/
/var/mailman/archives/public	=  /pipermail/

How can Mailman be set-up to independently archive/manage the lists for
these two domains?

Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Sat Aug  4 10:33:11 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:33:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation on The Feeding & Care of Mailman?
Message-ID: 

Is there more thorough documentation available on The Feeding & Care of
Mailman? e.g., Customization, Routine Maintenance, Preventative
Maintenance, an Appendix of Configuration Variables, etc.

(I've looked at Chris Kolar's work.)

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Sat Aug  4 10:39:59 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 01:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual domains
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 eric-mailman at pretorious.net wrote:

> I've read the rather brief thread "Configuring Virtual Hosts" (July-2001)
> but need a bit more to chew on...
>
> My server hosts a handful of virtual domains, but let's focus on two for
> the sake of this illustration:
>
>  www.fremontftroop.org
>  www.funkymonkeybutt.com
>
> Only www.funkymonkeybutt.com is set-up for Mailman. The aliases are
> currently mapped as:
>
> /var/mailman/cgi-bin/		=  /cgi-bin/mailman/
> /var/mailman/archives/public	=  /pipermail/
>
> How can Mailman be set-up to independently archive/manage the lists for
> these two domains?

After looking further down the July archive, I found J C Lawrence's tip:

  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2001-July/012944.html

...about the "hostname this list prefers" feature. I'll try that in the
morning...

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us  Sat Aug  4 15:36:21 2001
From: sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (Scott Mayo)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:36:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup mailman but get following error when confirming?
References: <00f501c11c66$4a303600$771bb8cc@phibred.com> <20010804003833.5467d3a4.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <019801c11cea$72ac3d20$771bb8cc@phibred.com>

I did not do the aliases, you were correct.  I did as you said:

newaliases
postfix reload

I am still getting the same thing.  Any other ideas.  I am brand new to
the linux world, but I thought I had done everything like the
instructions said.  The error makes me think that the user does not
exist which it does not if I look at my user list.  Is mailman supposed
to create the user test-request or does it just give an alias.  I looked
at the file etc/postfix/aliases and etc/aliases and saw nothing in there
if that is where it is suppose to be.  Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo F. Kustner" 
To: "Scott Mayo" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Setup mailman but get following error when
confirming?


> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:50:19 -0500
> "Scott Mayo"  wrote:
>
> >
> > I have setup mailman, but something must be wrong.  Everything goes
fine
> > until I try to confirm by subscription and the I get the following
> > error:
> > This is the Postfix program at host mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us.
> > : unknown user:
"test-request"
>
> I think you forgot to update your /etc/aliases file as was instructed
> after you ran ~mailman/bin/new_list ... but if you did, you probably
> didn't have postfix reload it (type 'postfix reload')
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ricardo




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sat Aug  4 16:53:42 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:53:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setup mailman but get following error when confirming?
In-Reply-To: <019801c11cea$72ac3d20$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
References: <00f501c11c66$4a303600$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
	<20010804003833.5467d3a4.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
	<019801c11cea$72ac3d20$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
Message-ID: <20010804165342.1cca4cff.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:36:21 -0500
"Scott Mayo"  wrote:

> I did not do the aliases, you were correct.  I did as you said:
> I am still getting the same thing.  Any other ideas.  I am brand new to
> the linux world, but I thought I had done everything like the
> instructions said.  The error makes me think that the user does not
> exist which it does not if I look at my user list.  Is mailman supposed
> to create the user test-request or does it just give an alias.  I looked
> at the file etc/postfix/aliases and etc/aliases and saw nothing in there
> if that is where it is suppose to be.  Thanks.

You mean it's not mentioned in /etc/aliases?
Mailman doesn't do this -- you have to edit /etc/aliases manually for
every list you create... (there are several reasons why mailman currently
doesn't do it)

here's an example:
(in this setup mailman resides in /usr/local/mailman)

## test mailing list
test:               "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:          "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:        "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
test-owner:          test-admin

> > > I have setup mailman, but something must be wrong.  Everything goes
> fine
> > > until I try to confirm by subscription and the I get the following
> > > error:
> > > This is the Postfix program at host mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us.
> > > : unknown user:
> "test-request"
> > I think you forgot to update your /etc/aliases file as was instructed
> > after you ran ~mailman/bin/new_list ... but if you did, you probably
> > didn't have postfix reload it (type 'postfix reload')


Regards,

Ricardo.
--




From barry at zope.com  Sat Aug  4 18:36:01 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 12:36:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation on The Feeding & Care of Mailman?
References: 
Message-ID: <15212.9329.812553.872120@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "eric-mailman" ==    writes:

    eric-mailman> Is there more thorough documentation available on
    eric-mailman> The Feeding & Care of Mailman? e.g., Customization,
    eric-mailman> Routine Maintenance, Preventative Maintenance, an
    eric-mailman> Appendix of Configuration Variables, etc.

I plan to write a manual for the 2.1 release.  Others have offered to
pitch in so it might just well happen. ;)



From henning at crackinghacking.de  Sat Aug  4 19:25:08 2001
From: henning at crackinghacking.de (Henning Koester)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 19:25:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & thttpd
Message-ID: <20010804192507.A17617@cider.bnet-ibb.de>

Hi,

Anyone using mailman with thttpd (tiny/turbo/throttling HTTP server)?
I've got a problem whith the authentication to admin.cgi. After typing the
password and pressing return I don't get anything back.

Thanks. Cu



From Zaida at Puccio.com  Sat Aug  4 19:37:23 2001
From: Zaida at Puccio.com (Zaida)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 14:37:23 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsiscribe
Message-ID: <000e01c11d0c$38d3c420$e896fea9@puccios>

Please I repeat my mail- I want to unsiscribe me the list of members. Thanks al all.
Zaida at Puccio.com
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From honeypot at online.no  Sat Aug  4 22:10:18 2001
From: honeypot at online.no (honeypot)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 22:10:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public or not
Message-ID: <3B6C87BD@epostleser.online.no>

Hello.

I still have a problem concerning wether my mailists should be publicly 
advertised or not. I seem to be unable to get them to appear as public on the 
mailman page.

I've set the "advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this 
machine". I still doesn't appear as public. (Privacy settings)

Which leads me to my next question; what should the "Host name this list 
prefers" box contain. I've tried to set it to be the same as the webpage 
address ; http://qvigstad.no . Obviously that isn't working. What could the 
problem be?

(And, yes, I've reloaded, tried various browsers etc. ;) )

I'm admining several other lists, and haven't experienced anything similar to 
this before.

Thanks for all your help!
Therese.




From artemis at rahul.net  Sun Aug  5 00:58:03 2001
From: artemis at rahul.net (Michelle Dick)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 15:58:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailcmd silent failure: RH7.1+postfix
Message-ID: <20010804225804.E0DCB7C28@yellow.rahul.net>

I run a mailing list on a combo of exim+smartlist and want to switch
it to a new system that will run postfix+mailman instead.

It is a Redhat 7.1 system with the Redhat powertools postfix rpm on
it.

I compiled the 2.0.6 version of mailman for the system and read the
instructions on working with postfix.  I no longer get the GID errors
after I compiled it using the --with-mail-gid setting.

I set up a list and can add addresses via web administration.  I tried
using the web interface as a user and requesting subscription.  It
sent a confirmation request email and I replied to it.  But then,
nothing happened.

The logs/subscribe file lists the pending request for subscription,
there is nothing in the errors file, and postfix logs indicated the
reply was received and passed off to mailcmd.

I tried it both with and without the wrapper script, I tried feeding
mailcmd a message on the command line -- same result.  mailcmd fails
to do anything, silently.

Is there a python version of "sh -x" or verbose/debug I can turn on in
mailcmd to have it tell me what is (not) doing?

--
Michelle Dick
artemis at rahul.net



From artemis at rahul.net  Sun Aug  5 01:18:09 2001
From: artemis at rahul.net (Michelle Dick)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 16:18:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailcmd silent failure: RH7.1+postfix 
In-Reply-To: <20010804225804.E0DCB7C28@yellow.rahul.net> 
Message-ID: <20010804231809.A0B137C79@yellow.rahul.net>

I wrote:
> mailcmd fails to do anything, silently.

Oops, pilot error, as usual. I reread the docs and saw the big warning
about the cron jobs.  Works now.

-- 
Michelle Dick             artemis at rahul.net              East Palo Alto, CA



From jwblist at olympus.net  Sun Aug  5 01:38:20 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:38:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive headers and Eudora
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010803211707.04770ce0@mail.ocentrix.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010803211707.04770ce0@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: 

At 21:54 -0700 8/3/2001, Ben Burnett wrote:
>ps These instructions are for the Win version.  IIRC Anything post 3.0
>should work this way.  It shouldn't be too difficult to verify this for Mac
>users.

First, thanks for the  information.  It is slightly
different in Mac Eudora (spelled  where nnn is a
number) and I don't know what the number is for boring headers (see below).
This will help us produce an FAQ which we do need.


For Mac Eudora users to deal with the List headers:

  1.  If not already done, copy the file "Esoteric Headers" or, recently,
"Esoteric Headers n.m" (version specific) which is shipped in the
Additional Settings folder into the Eudora Stuff folder [both inside the
Eudora Folder containing the application].

  2.  Once that is in place, there is a "Boring headers" pane of settings.
Add the desired headers to suppress into the list of headers...a simple
List-
will suppress all of them, but I name them individually so I can keep
List-Post: visible.

The Esoteric Settings thing first appeared long ago...it began shipping
with Eudora more recently, but at least back through the 4.x series.  It
predated the  URL hack

Esoteric Settings contains lots of fun things with which to get into
trouble, and a few with which to get out of trouble.

  --john

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jwblist at olympus.net  Sun Aug  5 02:22:02 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:22:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] infinite loop on bounce from postmaster to
 list
In-Reply-To: <654431.996587255@[144.86.11.157]>
References: <654431.996587255@[144.86.11.157]>
Message-ID: 

At 13:47 -0500 7/31/2001, Rich Ramos wrote:
>Problem #2:
>The message was being delivered to a digested user, however the bounces
>happened every few minutes.  Why didn't the digest get sent once and then
>not again until the next interval for the digest?

I haven't seen this part answered.  Probably, it is because the problem
message was larger than the digest size, so that as soon as an instance
came in the digest was big enough to send.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From honeypot at online.no  Sun Aug  5 04:31:25 2001
From: honeypot at online.no (honeypot)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 04:31:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Or Not?
Message-ID: <3B6CC4E5@epostleser.online.no>

Hello.

I still have a problem concerning wether my mailists should be publicly
advertised or not. I seem to be unable to get them to appear as public on the
mailman page.

I've set the "advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this
machine" option to be "YES". It still doesn't appear as public. (Privacy 
settings)

Which leads me to my next question; what should the "Host name this list
prefers" box, contain. I've tried to set it to be the same as the webpage
address ; http://qvigstad.no . Obviously that isn't working. What could the
problem be?

(And, yes, I've reloaded, tried various browsers etc. ;) )

I'm admining several other lists, and haven't experienced anything similar 
before.

Thanks for all your help!
Therese.




From reb at taco.com  Sun Aug  5 05:39:33 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 23:39:33 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problems after upgrading Python...
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010804233415.02bc8008@mail.taco.com>

I sent this a week or so and got no response. Now that Barry (who is
probably the most qualified to answer) has put out all his fires, maybe
he or someone else can provide me some help.

I'm trying to upgrade from Python 2.0 to Python 2.1.1. First, I upgraded
to Mailman from 2.0.3 to 2.0.6 and all went well. The lists and web pages
were all functioning fine.

Then I tried to upgrade Python from 2.0 to 2.1.1 ...

After the "make install" finished my lists stopped working. The web pages
produced "server error" messages that left messages like this in the
error log of the web server:

         26/Jul/2001:05:07:07] failure (25069): for host 
cc1017332-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com trying to GET /mailman/admin, 
cgieng_scan_headers reports:
         the CGI program /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin did not produce a 
valid header (name without value: got line 
"@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@")

At the same time, the qrunner cron jobs started failing like this:

         /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

         produced the following output:

         Traceback (most recent call last):
           File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 78, in ?
             import time
         ImportError: No module named time

I got this message when installing Python, but all searches on the web 
about it seemed to say that it could be safely ignored:

         warning: install: modules installed to 
'/usr/local/lib/python2.1/lib-dynload/', which is not in Python's module 
search path (sys.path) -- you'll have to change the search path yourself

Python 2.1.1 seemed to start fine, but as I've not gotten very far at all into
the study of Python yet I wasn't able to get much past starting it and checking
that it did, in fact, run.

I went back to Python 2.0 for now and all is functioning again. Does anyone 
have
any advice about what is wrong?  The system is running Solaris 7 with gcc 
2.95.3.

reb




From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Sun Aug  5 09:27:46 2001
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 00:27:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Purge Archives?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010805002556.00a1b080@mail.sbdsl.com>

Is there a command to purge a list's archives?

The reason I ask is that I'm setting up my first 'real' list, and I want to 
get it right before I go live.  Therefore I'll be sending a bunch of test 
messages through.

I'll want to get rid of all these messages before I actually do go live.

TIA

Rob




From artemis at rahul.net  Sun Aug  5 10:59:26 2001
From: artemis at rahul.net (Michelle Dick)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 01:59:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature queries
Message-ID: <20010805085926.0EDD87C1C@yellow.rahul.net>

In preparing to switch from smartlist to mailman, there appear to be
some features I will be giving up, and also some that seem like they
would be easy for me to add with a little tinkering.  A quick guided
tour of the programs behind mailman would be helpful -- so I could get
a jumpstart on where to begin for the modifications I need.

Some simple modifications I want to add are:

I currently send 5 information files via email to all new subscribers.
It's too much for one introductory email.  So, I'd like to add the
ability to send additional info files.  (in a more elaborate scheme,
it would be cool if new subscribers had to visit a web page or send
email to check off that they have read them before getting approval to
post -- that's probably a bit beyond me right now -- or maybe not,
hmmmm, a nice cgi form that whisked off a command that adds their
email to the approved for posting list, hmmm).

I run my list archives on a seperate remote machine, nfs mounts not
possible.  So I use a seperate program to do the archives and won't be
using mailman's pipermail.  But, it would be nice if in the list info
web page, the URL to my remote archives could be specified.

--
Michelle Dick
artemis at rahul.net



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Aug  5 18:04:10 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 09:04:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature queries 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michelle Dick  
   of "Sun, 05 Aug 2001 01:59:26 PDT." <20010805085926.0EDD87C1C@yellow.rahul.net> 
References: <20010805085926.0EDD87C1C@yellow.rahul.net> 
Message-ID: <2765.997027450@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 05 Aug 2001 01:59:26 -0700 
Michelle Dick  wrote:

> I run my list archives on a seperate remote machine, nfs mounts
> not possible.  So I use a seperate program to do the archives and
> won't be using mailman's pipermail.  But, it would be nice if in
> the list info web page, the URL to my remote archives could be
> specified.

Edit the HTML for the list pages to use the data you want instead of
the defaults.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From waterknot1 at mac.com  Sun Aug  5 21:26:01 2001
From: waterknot1 at mac.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:26:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Mac OS X
Message-ID: <200108051926.MAA26397@smtpout.mac.com>

Hi all,
I'm new to this list and to Mail/List servers in general. I have 
successfully installed Postfix
and Mailman on Mac OS X. Had some problems resolving aliases, but 
finally got that worked out. I've gotten everything working, but I had 
to do some messing around with permissions
to get the Web Interface to work properly.
I want to make sure that what I've done is secure though. On my setup, 
scripts in the 'cgi-bin'
directory would be installed with root user and mailman group. With this 
configuration, the
web interface would give me "403 Forbidden". I wound up changing 
ownership of the following files to 'www' group 'mailman':
admin
admindb
listinfo
subscribe

The web interface now works, but I'm concerned wether this is the more 
secure way to do it.

Also, I'm getting the following messages from Cron:

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
     main()
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
     process_lists(lock)
   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
     self.Load()
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 892, in Load
     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 869, in __load
     fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/Users/timrob/mailman/lists/river_rats/config.db'

This looks like another problem with permissions.
Is there a document anywhere that outlines what permissions should be 
set?
I would appreciate any help/advice that anyone can offer.

Thanks,

Tim Roberts
Waterknot Productions
mailto:waterknot1 at mac.com



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sun Aug  5 21:38:17 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:38:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <200108051926.MAA26397@smtpout.mac.com>
References: <200108051926.MAA26397@smtpout.mac.com>
Message-ID: <20010805213817.324fd55b.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:26:01 -0500
Tim Roberts  wrote:

> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
> '/Users/timrob/mailman/lists/river_rats/config.db'
> This looks like another problem with permissions.
> Is there a document anywhere that outlines what permissions should be 
> set?
> I would appreciate any help/advice that anyone can offer.

did you try running ~mailman/bin/check_perms ? it can even fix them for
you if you're root...
in my experience it resolves about 90% of permission problems... 

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo



From waterknot1 at mac.com  Sun Aug  5 22:17:02 2001
From: waterknot1 at mac.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:17:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <20010805213817.324fd55b.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <200108052017.NAA02873@smtpout.mac.com>

Yes, I did that during the install and after I created the list.
check_perms found no problems with any of the changes I've made.
Which means that either the choices I made are o.k. or the script 
doesn't check those files.

The changes don't seem to work consistently though.
On one attempt, I'll be able to access all the web based admin pages 
with no problems.
The next time I'll get "403 Forbidden". It is weird , because if I start 
at http://URL/mailman/admin
It seems to work If I go sequentially down the list, but If I skip from 
"General Options" to say
"go to general list information page", I get the "403 Forbidden".

I'm not sure if this is a problem with the installation or what. I 
followed the "INSTALL" doc to the
letter. The only difference being that I have to use %sudo make install.

Is "config.db the main configuration file for the list? If so, are there 
other files I should be concerned with that apply to configuration of a 
list? I would almost prefer to edit actual files
than deal with this web configuration business.

On Sunday, August 5, 2001, at 02:38 PM, Ricardo F. Kustner wrote:

> On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:26:01 -0500
> Tim Roberts  wrote:
>
>> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
>> '/Users/timrob/mailman/lists/river_rats/config.db'
>> This looks like another problem with permissions.
>> Is there a document anywhere that outlines what permissions should be
>> set?
>> I would appreciate any help/advice that anyone can offer.
>
> did you try running ~mailman/bin/check_perms ? it can even fix them for
> you if you're root...
> in my experience it resolves about 90% of permission problems...
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ricardo



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sun Aug  5 23:03:52 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:03:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <200108052017.NAA02873@smtpout.mac.com>
References: <20010805213817.324fd55b.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
	<200108052017.NAA02873@smtpout.mac.com>
Message-ID: <20010805230352.76c0d929.ricardo@rixhq.nu>


On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:17:02 -0500
Tim Roberts  wrote:

> Yes, I did that during the install and after I created the list.
> check_perms found no problems with any of the changes I've made.
> Which means that either the choices I made are o.k. or the script 
> doesn't check those files.

I agree that it doesn't catch everything... I had to manually modify some
permissions as well when I moved a backup of my mailman lists to a new
installation recently.

> The changes don't seem to work consistently though.
> On one attempt, I'll be able to access all the web based admin pages 
> with no problems.
> The next time I'll get "403 Forbidden". It is weird , because if I start
> at http://URL/mailman/admin
> It seems to work If I go sequentially down the list, but If I skip from 
> "General Options" to say
> "go to general list information page", I get the "403 Forbidden".

What do you see in the Apache error logs? usually it specifically tells
you why it gives a 403 forbidden error...

> Is "config.db the main configuration file for the list? If so, are there
> other files I should be concerned with that apply to configuration of a 
> list? I would almost prefer to edit actual files
> than deal with this web configuration business.
yes almost all list specific configuration is in this file...
one other possible place of permission errors could be your lockfile
directory... I've experienced this situation at least once...
to edit config.db you'd have to access it with python, preferably
bin/with_list but I'm not sure if it's recommended ...

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo.
--




From jose at stat.ucla.edu  Mon Aug  6 00:32:57 2001
From: jose at stat.ucla.edu (J. Louis Hales-Garcia)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:32:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <200108052017.NAA02873@smtpout.mac.com>
References: <200108052017.NAA02873@smtpout.mac.com>
Message-ID: 

At 3:17 PM -0500 8/5/01, Tim Roberts wrote:
>The changes don't seem to work consistently though.
>On one attempt, I'll be able to access all the web based admin pages with no problems.
>The next time I'll get "403 Forbidden". It is weird , because if I start at http://URL/mailman/admin
>It seems to work If I go sequentially down the list, but If I skip from "General Options" to say
>"go to general list information page", I get the "403 Forbidden".


I too have been dealing with these same inconsistencies.  I haven't
found the perfect permissions profile for Mailman's system files but
I have found the following has helped me:

* Set mailman's primary group to group mailman.  The bin/newlist command
  creates files and sets their group ownership to mailman's primary
  group.

* I found using ScriptAliasMatch worked more reliably than the
  suggested ScriptAlias.

* I found turning off the performance cache helped.

* After making changes in httpd.conf I was able to eliminate erratic
  behavior if I used apachectl to restart the daemon instead of
  kill -HUP `cat /var/run/httpd.pid`

-- 
..............................
UCLA Department of Statistics
J. Louis Hales-Garcia
..............................



From benwa at ocentrix.com  Mon Aug  6 03:48:03 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 18:48:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive headers and Eudora
In-Reply-To: <20010805183606.A0FA997006@bolero.rahul.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010805142243.00a28a90@mail.ocentrix.com>

Forwarding off-list dialog to the list...

At 11:36 AM 8/5/01 -0700, Colin Andrews wrote:
>8/3/2001 9:54:02 PM, Ben Burnett  wrote:
>
> >Colin,
> >
> >Why not help your Eudora users on their end instead?  Show them how to use
> >the "TabooHeaders" parameter in their eudora.ini file as below.
> >Any header they do not wish to see you can put in the list.  If they are
> >not comfortable with text editors and manually editing ".ini" files, then
> >Eudora has an easy way of helping them do it.
> >
> >1. Find out exactly what headers people don't like.
> >
>
>I thought you might be interested in what I found. I tried testing this out on
>my version of eudora locally on my pc first. I wanted to try the URL form,
>because then I could just send it to them and tell them to click on it.
>
>I did what you said. I built up my own list of the offending headers, then
>added it to the default list you supplied me with. I did the alt-click and 
>confirm
>dialog, then went to look at some list mail. There was still a bunch of 
>headers
>being shown, specifically headers that I had included in my list.
>
>I took a look at eudora.ini to see if the option line had been added, and 
>after a
>while noticed that it had only copied the first 255 characters of the list of
>headers into the options file. When I edited the line in eudora.ini 
>directly and
>put my full list in there, it worked.

This is an interesting limitation I hadn't had the chance to run 
into.  I'll remember it in the future.

>I don't know if the 255 char limit stands for both Mac & PC versions (it 
>sounds
>like a windows thing to me). Just in case it's the on the Macintosh versions
>of eudora as well, I went looking through the support pages at
>Qualcomm & even downloaded the Mac user's manual to try to find out if
>there was an equivalent of eudora.ini on the Mac side. No luck there but
>I wasn't realy expecting to.
>
>I ended up sending out the explicit instructions for modifying eudora.ini for
>the pc users and the URL form for the Mac users. I'm still waiting to hear
>back as to whether this is working for them.
>
>This was a great piece of information none the less. Where did you find out
>that this was possible? I saw no mention of it anywhere on the Qualcomm
>pages or in the manual. How did you find out about it? Is there an
>underground eudora reference available on the net somewhere?

I honestly don't remember where I first heard of TabooHeaders, but a quick 
search on google yielded some posts that helped me piece together the 
puzzle.  The Eudora support pages also mention pasting other options into a 
blank email to change them so I figured I'd give it a try with this one.

-Ben




From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Aug  6 05:08:05 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:08:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive headers and Eudora
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010805142243.00a28a90@mail.ocentrix.com>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010805142243.00a28a90@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: 

At 18:48 -0700 8/5/2001, Ben Burnett wrote:
>Forwarding off-list dialog to the list...
>
>At 11:36 AM 8/5/01 -0700, Colin Andrews wrote:
>>I don't know if the 255 char limit stands for both Mac & PC versions (it
>>sounds
>>like a windows thing to me). Just in case it's the on the Macintosh versions
>>of eudora as well, I went looking through the support pages at
>>Qualcomm & even downloaded the Mac user's manual to try to find out if
>>there was an equivalent of eudora.ini on the Mac side. No luck there but
>>I wasn't realy expecting to.
>>
>>I ended up sending out the explicit instructions for modifying eudora.ini for
>>the pc users and the URL form for the Mac users. I'm still waiting to hear
>>back as to whether this is working for them.

Mac Eudora keeps its settings in the Eudora Settings file in the same
folder as the mailboxes, etc.  I said "Eudora Settings"...it can be named
anything if it is double-clicked (or an alias to it is double-clicked, or
any other means is used).  The folder is named Eudora Folder and is in the
Documents folder (System Folder on archaic Macs).  It can likewise be named
anything and put anywhere if its Eudora Settings file is used to start
Eudora.

I don't know whether the URL method of setting the "Boring headers" works
on Mac Eudora, or not.  It would require learning the number associated
with the setting.

The Boring headers settings pane works fine in my experience for Mac Eudora
and would be my recommendation.

  --John (I THINK I have the attribution right)
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Aug  6 05:18:24 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:18:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Excessive headers and Eudora
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On 8/5/01 8:08 PM, "John W Baxter"  wrote:

> I don't know whether the URL method of setting the "Boring headers" works
> on Mac Eudora, or not.

It does.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome 
[ =  = ]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

The Pinball Machine Rule is the observation that it doesn't matter a wit if
the instructions are printed clearly for all to see, nobody will read
them.  They'll just drop their quarter(s) and start pushing buttons
like a Tommy. -- Barry Warsaw






From philsf at altavista.net  Sat Aug  4 21:01:24 2001
From: philsf at altavista.net (philsf at altavista.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:01:24 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions (probably FAQs)
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I couldn't find the answer to these questions in the documentation, nor in
Chris Kolar's docs.

1- How do I remove a list?
2- How do I create a new list, in an automatic way? Maybe the web kind of
admin? Is adding the lines manually to /etc/aliases the only way?

hope these questions get in the FAQ someday. ;)

Phil




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Mon Aug  6 07:22:00 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 07:22:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions (probably FAQs)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20010806072200.3f9cbf6b.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 16:01:24 -0300 (EST)
 wrote:

> 1- How do I remove a list?

use ~mailman/bin/rmlist (run it w/o parameters to see the options)

> 2- How do I create a new list, in an automatic way? Maybe the web kind
> of
> admin? Is adding the lines manually to /etc/aliases the only way?

In the current stable version it is not possible to do... if you're a bit
patient, I understand that the new 2.1 version, which is heavily under
construction at the moment, will have this feature. If you want to prevent
to have to edit /etc/aliases, there are some tricks for qmail and maybe
some other mailers to automatically discover new lists w/o the need to
update new aliases... you may have to look into the mail archives for
that...

Regards,

Ricardo



From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Aug  6 07:43:01 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:43:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nuking digests
References: 
Message-ID: <3B6E2E65.63FDFC29@nleaudio.com>

Hi gang,

A little bit ago someone mentioned a trick of keeping people from quoting entire digests, by looking for the digest footer in the body of the message.  Where do you place this in the mailman config to reject (or at least flag) the message?  I see Taboo Headers, but nothing about the body.

Bob



From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Mon Aug  6 07:36:43 2001
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] questions (probably FAQs)
In-Reply-To: <20010806072200.3f9cbf6b.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
References: 
 
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010805223444.00a1f210@mail.sbdsl.com>

At 07:22 AM 8/6/01 +0200, you wrote:
>In the current stable version it is not possible to do...

I'm interested in this too.  I've been playing with Webmin, and it claims 
to have a mailman interface, but I've not been able to make it work.  Was 
it for an older version?  Can anybody confirm that it can work with v2 and 
postfix?

Rob




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Mon Aug  6 07:53:32 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 22:53:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation on The Feeding & Care of Mailman?
In-Reply-To: <15212.9329.812553.872120@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> I plan to write a manual for the 2.1 release.  Others have offered to
> pitch in so it might just well happen. ;)

Great - I'll be looking for it! (If you'd like proof-readers, I'd like to
do what I can to help.)

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From rbrandt at sbdsl.com  Mon Aug  6 08:12:58 2001
From: rbrandt at sbdsl.com (Rob Brandt)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:12:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names in subscriber list
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010805231031.020f2100@mail.sbdsl.com>

Is there a way for real names to be included in the subscriber list?

In many cases, it's impossible to locate a particular individual's email 
address because many people use special addresses to receive high volume 
list traffic, and it doesn't necessarily jibe with their 'real' name.

TIA

Rob




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Aug  6 08:29:58 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:29:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Nuking digests
In-Reply-To: <3B6E2E65.63FDFC29@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: 

On 8/5/01 10:43 PM, "Bob Puff at NLE"  wrote:

> A little bit ago someone mentioned a trick of keeping people from quoting
> entire digests, by looking for the digest footer in the body of the message.
> Where do you place this in the mailman config to reject (or at least flag) the
> message?  I see Taboo Headers, but nothing about the body.

I did. I lied. It's not something available in 2.0.x -- it's something I've
talked to Barry about adding for 2.1, and I was confusing in how I discussed
it. Right now, you'd have to do it with a procmail (or equivalent)
front-end.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome 
[ =  = ]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

USENET is a lot better after two or three eggnogs. We shouldn't allow
anyone on the net without a bottle of brandy. (chuq von rospach, 1992)






From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Aug  6 08:30:45 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:30:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Real names in subscriber list
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010805231031.020f2100@mail.sbdsl.com>
Message-ID: 

On 8/5/01 11:12 PM, "Rob Brandt"  wrote:

> Is there a way for real names to be included in the subscriber list?

Not with 2.0.x.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome 
[ =  = ]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

Funny, I don't remember being absent minded.







From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Aug  6 09:20:17 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 06 Aug 2001 09:20:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber list command
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010803115121.04a7bab0@perilpoint.com>
References: 
	<4.2.0.58.20010803115121.04a7bab0@perilpoint.com>
Message-ID: 

Bradford Shaw  writes:

> Does anyone have the exact email command to get the WHO for a
> closed list?

Hello!

It's a closed list.

 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From Nigel.Metheringham at Intechnology.co.uk  Mon Aug  6 11:15:30 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at Intechnology.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 06 Aug 2001 10:15:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix error
In-Reply-To: <15210.57511.653748.458250@anthem.wooz.org>
References: <3B69C58C.1B75341D@nleaudio.com>
	 
	<15210.57511.653748.458250@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <997089335.1696.9.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On 03 Aug 2001 13:34:31 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> We had the /exact/ same problem on mail.{python,zope}.org.  Mailman
> was basically blocked for about 12 hours then it suddenly started
> flowing again.  I was mightily confused, as it seemed to be Exim just
> being reeaalllllly slow in accepting connections (even from
> localhost).

If you get this with exim from RBL type lookups then you need to make
sure that exim is not doing RBL checks on your connections from mailman.

Generally best way to do this is to have this in your config:-

  rbl_hosts = !127.0.0.1:0.0.0.0/0

You can tweak this if there are other locally admined address sets that
you don't want to have checked in the RBL.

	Nigel.





From do-risika at simicro-internet.mg  Mon Aug  6 14:18:00 2001
From: do-risika at simicro-internet.mg (Do-Risika RAFIEFERANTSIARONJY)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:18:00 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] change PREFIX and VAR-PREFIX directory ...
Message-ID: <3B6E8AF8.F57C3D9F@simicro-internet.mg>

Hello,

Is it possible to change the PREFIX directory after an installation ? In
fact, I installed mailman through apt-get/debian and want now to change
the --prefix and the --var-prefix directory into /var/mailman.

Can I add this line below in mm_cfg.py to do that ? or is there another
way ?
	
PREFIX          = '/var/mailman'

Thanx.

@+
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From Elzubeir at cobaf.coba.unt.edu  Mon Aug  6 15:37:12 2001
From: Elzubeir at cobaf.coba.unt.edu (Moe Elzubeir)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:37:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname-admin instead of real from
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I am very new to mailing lists and what have you (as far as running
them goes). I've managed to setup mailman and mhonarc on my Debian box,
but I still have some problems with some of the things mailman does.

1. When I send a message (or anyone else for that matter), instead of
it saying, "From: user at host" it says "From: listname-admin at listhost". I
don't know how to disable this, and I hope it's something really simple
(I would suspect it is).

2. I have been unable to get MHonArc to archive automatically. I
currently went with the compromise of running mhonarc as a daily cron
job.

Thanks for your help.



From sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us  Mon Aug  6 16:42:31 2001
From: sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (Scott Mayo)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:42:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still cannot get mailman/postfix to confirm email subscription.(Error)
Message-ID: <035b01c11e86$059cd620$771bb8cc@phibred.com>

I set up mailman the other day on my mandrake 8.0 Server.  I am running
postfix.  Everything seems alright until I try to confirm and then I get
the following:


This is the Postfix program at host mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please send mail to 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

: unknown user: "test5-request"

Ricardo suggested that maybe I had not set aliases and he was correct,
so I did as he said where home/mailman is the $prefix

Aliases in etc/

test5:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test5"
test5-admin:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test5"
test5-request:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test5"
test5-owner:          test5-admin

postfix reload

And now I am still getting the same error as above.  Why is
test5-request unknown?  Any help would greatly be apprectiated.  I need
to have this going this afternoon, but the way it looks it might be next
year.  Thanks.


Scott Mayo
Tech Coordinator
Bloomfield Schools
(573) 568-4562 (Elem)
(573) 568-4564 (Supt)
(573) 568-4565 (Fax)
(800) 264-2535 Pager # 2549




From jo_soares at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  6 16:28:55 2001
From: jo_soares at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o?= Borsoi Soares)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:28:55 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Schedule message posting...
Message-ID: <3B6EA9A7.784E290@yahoo.com>

Hello list,

I've just intalled mailman to manage a list of about 5000 people. I will
be using this list to send mail news, and only one person will be
sending the messages. Because of the large number of users, I would like
to schedule the message posting to the night time. Does any body knows
how can I do that?

Thanks
Joao Soares





From do-risika at simicro-internet.mg  Mon Aug  6 16:45:58 2001
From: do-risika at simicro-internet.mg (Do-Risika RAFIEFERANTSIARONJY)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:45:58 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still cannot get mailman/postfix to confirm email 
 subscription.(Error)
References: <035b01c11e86$059cd620$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
Message-ID: <3B6EADA6.CBC7EFB5@simicro-internet.mg>

Scott Mayo wrote:
> 
> Ricardo suggested that maybe I had not set aliases and he was correct,
> so I did as he said where home/mailman is the $prefix
> 
> Aliases in etc/
> 
> test5:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test5"
> test5-admin:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test5"
> test5-request:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test5"
> test5-owner:          test5-admin
> 
> postfix reload
> 
> And now I am still getting the same error as above.  Why is
> test5-request unknown?  Any help would greatly be apprectiated.  I need
> to have this going this afternoon, but the way it looks it might be next
> year.  Thanks.

May be you have to run newaliases command to update aliases database or,
may be your aliases database is not in /etc/aliases (it might be in
/etc/postfix/aliases, cf your main.cf of postfix).

@+
--
DouRiX



From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Aug  6 16:54:50 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 06 Aug 2001 16:54:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Schedule message posting...
In-Reply-To: <3B6EA9A7.784E290@yahoo.com>
References: <3B6EA9A7.784E290@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Jo?o Borsoi Soares  writes:

> I've just intalled mailman to manage a list of about 5000 people. I will
> be using this list to send mail news, and only one person will be
> sending the messages.

See the privcay options page.

> Because of the large number of users, I would like to schedule the
> message posting to the night time. Does any body knows how can I do
> that?

Use the at- or crondemon.


 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Aug  6 16:57:53 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 06 Aug 2001 16:57:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still cannot get mailman/postfix to confirm email subscription.(Error)
In-Reply-To: <035b01c11e86$059cd620$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
References: <035b01c11e86$059cd620$771bb8cc@phibred.com>
Message-ID: 

"Scott Mayo"  writes:


> Aliases in etc/
> 
> test5:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test5"
> test5-admin:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test5"
> test5-request:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test5"
> test5-owner:          test5-admin

Here you forgot the newaliases command.

> postfix reload


 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

Sorry for my english.
-- 
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From waterknot1 at mac.com  Mon Aug  6 18:28:44 2001
From: waterknot1 at mac.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #1373 - 11 msgs
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <200108061628.JAA14512@smtpout.mac.com>

>
> : unknown user: "test5-request"
>
> Ricardo suggested that maybe I had not set aliases and he was correct,
> so I did as he said where home/mailman is the $prefix
>
> Aliases in etc/
>
> test5:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test5"
> test5-admin:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test5"
> test5-request:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test5"
> test5-owner:          test5-admin
>
> postfix reload
>
> And now I am still getting the same error as above.  Why is
> test5-request unknown?

I was having this same problem. I was able to get i working by creating 
an aliases file in the /home/mailman directory,
then  add the following to main.cf:

alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/home/mailman/aliases

Then cd to /home/mailman
su to mailman or whatever you run mailman under,
then run %postalias ./aliases

There seem to be a lot of weird things to work out as far as file 
ownership and permissions go with Mailman.

Tim Roberts
Waterknot Productions
mailto:waterknot1 at mac.com



From lopez at mv.mv.com  Mon Aug  6 18:38:25 2001
From: lopez at mv.mv.com (Lawrence D. Lopez)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subject_prefix trailing spave
References: 
Message-ID: <3B6EC801.F73EB0DC@mv.mv.com>

How do I get a trailling space
after the subject prefix name.

When I set it to NHAS
and send mail with a subject of Test
I get a subject of NHASTest

I'd like to get a subject of NHAS Test



From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  6 21:37:04 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:37:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20010806193704.70820.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com>

Por favor, talvez alguien pueda ayudarme, con alguna
explicacion de los sgtes comandos, deseo saber
exactamente para que sirven y como usarlos para
administrar mejor una lista.

sync_members
withlist
dumpdb
mmsitepass
config_list
digest_arch
check_perms

LEs agradecere mucho su ayuda.

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Obtenga su direcci?n de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com
en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com



From waterknot1 at mac.com  Tue Aug  7 06:06:06 2001
From: waterknot1 at mac.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] This could explain some of My problems
Message-ID: <200108070406.VAA22747@smtpout.mac.com>

I decided to try to install Mailman again. This time I paid much closer 
attention to the configure.
It is reporting the following:

checking for --with-username... sh: setgroups: Operation not permitted


This happens no matter if I'm root or not.
It (setgroups) doesn't exist in any directory on my machine.
Is it possible that the default uid is not being set correctly?
Perhaps Mac OSX uses a different command to accomplish this.
Likely through netinfo. But, before I go crawling down that hole does 
anyone
know how this affects the install in general.

Thanks

Tim Roberts
Waterknot Productions
mailto:waterknot1 at mac.com



From jo_soares at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  7 07:30:29 2001
From: jo_soares at yahoo.com (Joao Borsoi Soares)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:30:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Schedule message posting...
Message-ID: <3B6F7CF5.67728E3B@yahoo.com>

I've asked before how to schedule the posting of messages to my list.
Some told me to use cron or tab. The question is, what script/program
should I schedule so I can send the list messages at a desired time. And
how to prevent message posting other than the one ajusted by cron?

Thanks and sorry for the english.
Joao.




From cdh at CompleteIS.com  Tue Aug  7 07:06:46 2001
From: cdh at CompleteIS.com (Chris Halverson)
Date: 07 Aug 2001 00:06:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Schedule message posting...
In-Reply-To: <3B6F7CF5.67728E3B@yahoo.com> (Joao Borsoi Soares's message of "Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:30:29 -0400")
References: <3B6F7CF5.67728E3B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 01:30:29 -0400, Joao Borsoi Soares  wrote:

> I've asked before how to schedule the posting of messages to my list.
> Some told me to use cron or tab. The question is, what script/program

That would be "crontab".

> should I schedule so I can send the list messages at a desired time. 

I have done this exact thing. I wrote a perl program (could be
anything of course) that runs once a night via cron and checks to see
if there is an email in a not public mail spool. Yes, this could be
abused if somebody "outside" figured out the address. Basically, this
program rips out headers such as To, From, Approve, Subject and the
body (thanks to Mail::Header and Mail::Internet, maybe I should redo
this in Python, just to "keep it in the family" :). Then it creates a
new email and sends it out to the mailing list.

> And how to prevent message posting other than the one ajusted by
> cron?

You can't. Basically, anything that goes to the list can go through at
any time. The list I did this for is a "once every 2-3 days" moderated
list. Therefore, nobody else can send to it w/o using the Approve
header, ie. there's no explicitly approved posters. It's a small,
controlled group who can post, so it's not a big deal in this case.

HTH.

cdh

-- 
Chris D. Halverson                         Complete Internet Solutions
(612) 279-2106                             http://www.completeis.com/



From neteler at itc.it  Tue Aug  7 10:24:02 2001
From: neteler at itc.it (Markus Neteler)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 10:24:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Howto migrate mailman to new server?
Message-ID: <20010807102402.U8276@itc.it>

Hi,

due to a new employer I have to migrate various mailman lists
to a new machine with different IP/name etc.

Searching for help within the docs wasn't successfull (for me).
Do I have to manually re-install everything or is there a
nice script? I know of "move_list" - does this do the job?
If so, do I first simply copy the related subdirectories
to the new server, then run move_list?

In case this is a FAQ, please redirect me...

Sorry for so many question,
and thanks in advance

 Markus Neteler
 GRASS Development Team
 http://grass.itc.it



From jo_ni at telia.com  Tue Aug  7 12:41:50 2001
From: jo_ni at telia.com (Johan)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:41:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mails to list
Message-ID: <20010807124150.6229d133.jo_ni@telia.com>

When I was about to make my first list(the test list) to see if everything worked
I was unable to confirm my subscription.
When I replied the mail I got this back from the mail-daemon:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (reason: 2)
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
554 5.3.0 "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2

I tried to reinstall with the "--with-mail-gid=12" options but it didnt work.

This is my first time using mailman, and I do not know what to do.




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Tue Aug  7 12:52:54 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:52:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mails to list
In-Reply-To: <20010807124150.6229d133.jo_ni@telia.com>
References: <20010807124150.6229d133.jo_ni@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20010807125254.197f3418.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:41:50 +0200
Johan  wrote:

> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take
> 2?)
> I tried to reinstall with the "--with-mail-gid=12" options but it didnt
> work.

I think the error message is a bit misleading... what it actually tries to
tell you is that you should reinstall with --with-mail-gid=2... 
This error also confused me at least once... maybe the sentence should be
written a bit differently :)

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Aug  7 12:59:48 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 07 Aug 2001 12:59:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mails to list
In-Reply-To: <20010807124150.6229d133.jo_ni@telia.com>
References: <20010807124150.6229d133.jo_ni@telia.com>
Message-ID: 

Johan  writes:

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
             ^^^^^^^^^^^

> 554 5.3.0 "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
> I tried to reinstall with the "--with-mail-gid=12" options but it didnt work.

The error is "exec script". Try it with "--with-cgi-gid=12".

 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Tue Aug  7 13:17:46 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 07 Aug 2001 13:17:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending mails to list
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20010807124150.6229d133.jo_ni@telia.com>
	
Message-ID: 

Detlef Neubauer  writes:

> Johan  writes:
> 
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> > 554 5.3.0 "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2
> > 
> > I tried to reinstall with the "--with-mail-gid=12" options but it didnt work.
> 
> The error is "exec script". Try it with "--with-cgi-gid=12".

Sorry i think i was wrong. Try it with "--with-mail-gid=2".

 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

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From sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us  Tue Aug  7 14:01:02 2001
From: sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us (Scott Mayo)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 07:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still cannot get mailman/postfix to confirm email subscription.(Error)
References: <035b01c11e86$059cd620$771bb8cc@phibred.com> 
Message-ID: <004901c11f38$a126f8c0$771bb8cc@phibred.com>

Thanks to everyone for all the help.  I got it all lined out and it is
working great.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Detlef Neubauer" 
To: "Scott Mayo" 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Still cannot get mailman/postfix to confirm
email subscription.(Error)


> "Scott Mayo"  writes:
>
>
> > Aliases in etc/
> >
> > test5:               "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test5"
> > test5-admin:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test5"
> > test5-request:        "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test5"
> > test5-owner:          test5-admin
>
> Here you forgot the newaliases command.
>
> > postfix reload
>
>
>  MfG
>  Detlef Neubauer
>
> Sorry for my english.
> --
> .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From michaelo at excitehome.net  Tue Aug  7 19:48:20 2001
From: michaelo at excitehome.net (Michael Olivier)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:48:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can non-member posts automatically bounce?
In-Reply-To: <20010802144217.D10466@ActiveState.com>
References: <15209.23469.63868.630102@daimi.au.dk>
 <15205.38107.541898.68781@daimi.au.dk>
 <15208.26804.372186.20266@anthem.wooz.org>
 <15209.23469.63868.630102@daimi.au.dk>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010807104717.03352eb8@mailhost.atext.com>

At 02:42 PM 8/2/2001 -0700, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
>Is there a configuration option to have non-member posts bounce
>automatically?

Barry said he added this back to the 2.1 list since several of us have been 
asking for it.


>There doesn't seem to be one, so I'm hacking it in anyway.

I'm interested in using your solution if feasible since this is a daily 
problem we have and I'm not sure when 2.1 is going to be out.

--M




From gsimmang at satx.rr.com  Tue Aug  7 20:02:41 2001
From: gsimmang at satx.rr.com (marketing)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:02:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stopping html posts
Message-ID: <012b01c11f6b$26d8f900$0c5d1942@satx.rr.com>

Hi
Is there a way to stop html posts? problem is that when someone posts in html, the disclaimer does not show up.. can anyone help? thanks
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Tue Aug  7 21:07:08 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:07:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Schedule message posting...
In-Reply-To: <3B6F7CF5.67728E3B@yahoo.com>; from jo_soares@yahoo.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:30:29AM -0400
References: <3B6F7CF5.67728E3B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010807150708.B2026@mems-exchange.org>

On 07 August 2001, Joao Borsoi Soares said:
> I've asked before how to schedule the posting of messages to my list.
> Some told me to use cron or tab. The question is, what script/program
> should I schedule so I can send the list messages at a desired time. And
> how to prevent message posting other than the one ajusted by cron?

Here's one crazy idea (completely untested, of course): instead of
running the Mailman queue once per minute, run it once per day (say at
3am).  This will affect *all* Mailman lists on your system, though, so
if you have some lists that want immediate attention and others that
need to languish until the middle of the night, it won't work.

Most likely, you'll use the "crontab -e" command as the "mailman" user
to change this.  Look for a line like
  * * * * * /www/python/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
and change it to
  0 3 * * * /www/python/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
to run at 3:00am every day instead of every minute.
This is probably *NOT* a good idea, but you did ask.

That said, I think putting mail delivery off to the middle of the night
is a waste of your time and effort.  If a message doesn't go through due
to congestion, your MTA will defer it and try again later.  Let the MTA
do its job.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From rene at vtwebwizard.com  Tue Aug  7 21:18:12 2001
From: rene at vtwebwizard.com (Rene Churchill)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:18:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending duplicate msgs
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010803102118.02d5c410@www.vtwebwizard.com>

Hi folks,

I've got a problem where mailman is sending duplicate email's
out to the list.  Obviously this is pissing off the list memebers.

My current theory as to why it's happening is that
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME was set too low.  I'd dropped it down
to 30 minutes after I changed Sendmail's delivery mode to
'background'.  That causes Sendmail to accept the messages
from Mailman extremely quickly so 30 minutes was plenty.  However,
it was pointed out to me that using the delivery mode 'background'
disabled all of the referer checks on the mailbox, so I had to
cut that out.  That caused the performance of qrunner to degrade
and it takes a lot longer for the list to go out now.  Still
acceptable performance though.

Anyhow, I'm guessing that the qrunner's lock is being
broken and that the next invocation of qrunner starts sending
the messages to everybody all over again.  Does that sound
plausible to you folks on the list?  I just put the lock lifetime
back to 10 hours, a lot longer than it takes qrunner to process
the list.  Hopefully the next run of the list will go smoothly.
If anybody has other suggestions as to what could cause this
behavior, I'd appreciate hearing of them.

Thanks,
        Rene



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From tercio at radix.com.br  Tue Aug  7 21:31:38 2001
From: tercio at radix.com.br (Tercio Eulalio de A. Fonseca)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:31:38 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
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From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  7 21:51:18 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:51:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with some commands
Message-ID: <20010807195118.5544.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com>

Please, i have problems with these commands, Could
someone helpme.I wihs an example about the correct use
of these commands.

sync_members
withlist
dumpdb
mmsitepass
config_list
digest_arch
check_perms

thanks.

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From fgoossens at reference.be  Tue Aug  7 22:02:11 2001
From: fgoossens at reference.be (Frank Goossens)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:02:11 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending duplicate msgs
Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F015@pathfinder.reference.be>

evening rene;
have you configured mailman to use sendmail.py or smtpdirect.py? we have had
duplicate msgs as well when using sendmail.py on a mailing list with +7000
subscribers..? tests seem to show that that problem does not occur when
using smtpdirect.py (this still has to be confirmed by futher testing and
ultimately by the real newsletter going out again though)..

frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Rene Churchill
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Sent: 8/7/01 9:18 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending duplicate msgs


Hi folks,

I've got a problem where mailman is sending duplicate email's
out to the list.  Obviously this is pissing off the list memebers.

My current theory as to why it's happening is that
QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME was set too low.  I'd dropped it down
to 30 minutes after I changed Sendmail's delivery mode to
'background'.  That causes Sendmail to accept the messages
from Mailman extremely quickly so 30 minutes was plenty.  However,
it was pointed out to me that using the delivery mode 'background'
disabled all of the referer checks on the mailbox, so I had to
cut that out.  That caused the performance of qrunner to degrade
and it takes a lot longer for the list to go out now.  Still
acceptable performance though.

Anyhow, I'm guessing that the qrunner's lock is being
broken and that the next invocation of qrunner starts sending
the messages to everybody all over again.  Does that sound
plausible to you folks on the list?  I just put the lock lifetime
back to 10 hours, a lot longer than it takes qrunner to process
the list.  Hopefully the next run of the list will go smoothly.
If anybody has other suggestions as to what could cause this
behavior, I'd appreciate hearing of them.

Thanks,
        Rene



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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Tue Aug  7 23:57:08 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:57:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending duplicate msgs
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010803102118.02d5c410@www.vtwebwizard.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010803102118.02d5c410@www.vtwebwizard.com>
Message-ID: <20010807235708.61ce731d.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 15:18:12 -0400
Rene Churchill  wrote:

> I've got a problem where mailman is sending duplicate email's
> out to the list.  Obviously this is pissing off the list memebers.

are you running the latest stable version of Mailman?
also, which delivery module are you using? SMTPDirect or the other one
(the name slips me for the moment ;) )

the last time I had trouble with duplicate mail (knock-on-wood) was with
older releases of mailman about a year ago...
 
Regards,

Ricardo.



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug  8 00:01:57 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:01:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with some commands
In-Reply-To: <20010807195118.5544.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010807195118.5544.qmail@web13601.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20010808000157.505023fa.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:51:18 -0500 (CDT)
Albert Medina  wrote:

> Please, i have problems with these commands, Could
> someone helpme.I wihs an example about the correct use
> of these commands.

See http://www.list.org/admins.html
and some give you usage information when you run them w/o parameters.

> sync_members
> withlist
> dumpdb
> mmsitepass
> config_list
> digest_arch
> check_perms


-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From techgrrl at beeze.com  Wed Aug  8 00:17:54 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:17:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated messages
Message-ID: <01fb01c11f8e$ce729f40$0200010a@home.beeze.com>

What happens to messages that are held for moderation but get ignored for too long? Do they eventually get sent to the list or erased?

-- Sarah
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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug  8 00:33:11 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:33:11 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moderated messages
In-Reply-To: <01fb01c11f8e$ce729f40$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
References: <01fb01c11f8e$ce729f40$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <20010808003311.2c6aab00.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:17:54 -0700
"Sarah K. Miller"  wrote:

> What happens to messages that are held for moderation but get ignored
> for too long? Do they eventually get sent to the list or erased?

No they just stay in the moderation queue forever untill a moderator does
something with it. So they neither get sent nor get erased if you leave
them untouched...

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo



From jo_soares at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  8 06:48:16 2001
From: jo_soares at yahoo.com (Joao Borsoi Soares)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 00:48:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving posts with email commands...
Message-ID: <3B70C490.2EC73C7F@yahoo.com>

Hello list,

Is it possible to do administrative posts approve with e-mail commands?
Or the only way is throught web interface?

Thanks,
Joao.




From jose at stat.ucla.edu  Wed Aug  8 07:26:53 2001
From: jose at stat.ucla.edu (J. Louis Hales-Garcia)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Postfix and Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <200108052017.NAA02873@smtpout.mac.com>
References: <200108052017.NAA02873@smtpout.mac.com>
Message-ID: 

At 3:17 PM -0500 8/5/01, Tim Roberts wrote:
>The next time I'll get "403 Forbidden". It is weird , because if I start at http://URL/mailman/admin
>It seems to work If I go sequentially down the list, but If I skip from "General Options" to say
>"go to general list information page", I get the "403 Forbidden".

By the way, have you read the thread regarding the OS X Apache
POST problem?  I think my problems are stemming from it.

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?50 at 224.xHrjadRjhHq^4 at .ef12f47/0
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From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Aug  8 09:27:53 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 08 Aug 2001 09:27:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Approving posts with email commands...
In-Reply-To: <3B70C490.2EC73C7F@yahoo.com>
References: <3B70C490.2EC73C7F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Joao Borsoi Soares  writes:

> Is it possible to do administrative posts approve with e-mail commands?

Not in version 2.0.5.

> Or the only way is throught web interface?

Yes.

 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

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From rcozzani at zia.ms.it  Wed Aug  8 10:14:18 2001
From: rcozzani at zia.ms.it (Riccardo Cozzani)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:14:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] file mode and ownership
In-Reply-To: <3B6EADA6.CBC7EFB5@simicro-internet.mg>
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

is anywhere an exaustive list of the correct ownership and mode for the
mailman files? I've many trouble every time I move a list, but check_perms
don't fix all problem, it seems.

Thanks.

Riccardo




From karstenj at gmx.de  Wed Aug  8 13:21:43 2001
From: karstenj at gmx.de (Karsten Jennissen)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:21:43 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <7476.997269703@www25.gmx.net>

I want to use Mailman both for simple announce lists with simple
subscribe/unsubscribe (i.e. without password, just confirmation) and a discussion list
with the advanced features Mailman offers.

Is there any way to offer subscribe/unsubscribe via a form without
passwords? 

Regards,
Karsten

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From alex at phred.org  Wed Aug  8 18:07:05 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:07:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Explanation for unsubscribe problems? (fwd)
Message-ID: <20010808090615.W37662-100000@phred.org>

This seems to be an accurate complaint.  Clicking on the unsubscribe
link doesn't do what the user might expect.  I'm running 2.01.  Is
this fixed in 2.05 or is it going to have to wait for 2.1?

alex

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:03:30 -0700
From: Josh Putnam 
To: Alex Wetmore 
Subject: Explanation for unsubscribe problems?

----- Forwarded message from Bjorn Simonsen  -----

>In the message headers of every message sent from the list -
>you'll find:

>
>List-Help: 
>List-Post: 
>List-Subscribe: ,
>    
>List-Id: International Bicycle Touring Mailing List 
>List-Unsubscribe: ,
>       
>List-Archive: 
>

>Problem: When the request at phred.org?subject=3Dunsubscribe> is used to generate a message,
>the MLM replies as follows:

>
>This is an automated response.
>There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
>the administrative address .

>To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
> with the word "help" in the subject line
>or in the body of the message.

>If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
>please send your message to .

>The following is a detailed description of the problems.

>***** unsubscribe
>>>>>> Usage: unsubscribe  []

>

>Thus a password is required to for the unsub command to work.

>You should be aware of this since *some*  Windows e-mail clients will gene=
>rate a clickable link
>(in the message body) for subscription management (unsubscribe / subscribe=
> / get help or more
>info)  - based on  the "List-" headers. When clicked - the client offers t=
>o send a message
>automatically.
>
>No wonder then if some gets confused if the automatically generated unsub =
>message
>does not work.  It does not work because it is sent without the required p=
>assword in the subject
>field, and it gets sent this way because the client generate a message bas=
>ed on the information
>in the message headers - as supplied by your MLM/server.

>In short, error caused by your MLM/server who generates the "List-"
>mail headers,  not the subscribers fault.  Keep this in mind before you
>sigh over people having missed the footer, when it is all in the header
>;).

>For more info see: RFC 2369 "Use of URLs as Meta-Syntax for Core Mail
>List Commands and their Transport through Message Header Fields" and
>RFC 2368=A0"mailto URL scheme" at 

>All the best,
>Bjorn Simonsen

----- End forwarded message -----




From listmgr at perilpoint.com  Wed Aug  8 18:42:25 2001
From: listmgr at perilpoint.com (Bradford Shaw)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Explanation for unsubscribe problems? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20010808090615.W37662-100000@phred.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010808113507.065d4180@perilpoint.com>

This is a big problem for us as well. We are contemplating disabling the 
headers to avoid this. Personally I would like to see an option for the 
listadmin to set the list to 'password required' or 'no password required'. 
This would ideally be on a list-by-list basis, not an option that is set to 
control all of the lists on a server.

On a similar subject, I would also like to see a setting to include the 
recipient's subscribed email address to be used in the message footer. 
Sometimes people just forget what email address they are subscribed to.

Best wishes,
Bradford

At 09:07 AM 8/8/2001 -0700, alex wrote:
>This seems to be an accurate complaint.  Clicking on the unsubscribe
>link doesn't do what the user might expect.  I'm running 2.01.  Is
>this fixed in 2.05 or is it going to have to wait for 2.1?
>
>alex




From gsimmang at satx.rr.com  Wed Aug  8 18:52:48 2001
From: gsimmang at satx.rr.com (marketing)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:52:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help!
Message-ID: <016001c1202a$8e176e20$0c5d1942@satx.rr.com>

Is there a way to prevent html posts? thanks




From mailman_userslist_subscribed at mortencb.cx  Wed Aug  8 19:33:29 2001
From: mailman_userslist_subscribed at mortencb.cx (Morten-Christian Bernson)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:33:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lockup
Message-ID: <31275286310.20010808193329@mortencb.cx>

I sent a rather large file (about 7MB) to a mailinglist I run on a
FreeBSD machine with Mailman 2.05 and Apache.

I sent the mail from an address that needed aproval on web, logged in
and aproved the message.

Then after a few minutes, I logged into the machine, and accidentally
killed the process Mailman was running (trying the send the mail I
suppose).  It was running on 97% of the CPU, and had been running for
about 10 minutes.

After this, I can't login to the admin interface for this list any
more.  The message never got through (that should be understandable),
and the other lists work.  But every time I try to login to the admin
interface for this list, the web page just never load.  It just hangs,
and seemingly wait for data.

Is there something I can do to make this list work again?

-MortenCB




From sgeiger at ncee.net  Wed Aug  8 19:48:46 2001
From: sgeiger at ncee.net (Shane Geiger)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:48:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config problem: subscribing
Message-ID: 

What's the cause of this problem?

mailq tells me:

                                         "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcm
f78AUI4v017257       16 Wed Aug  8 05:30 
                 (Operating system error)

This looks like a permissions issue, but since I installed from a Debian
package, I wouldn't have thought I would have a problem.  Just in case,
here's the permissions issue on that file:

-rwxr-sr-x    1 root     list         5912 May 24 20:26
/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper

Any ideas?




From benwa at mail.ocentrix.com  Wed Aug  8 19:53:23 2001
From: benwa at mail.ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:53:23 -0700
Subject: Fw: Re: [Mailman-Users] Lockup 
Message-ID: <200108081753.f78HrN531762@mail.ocentrix.net>

Forwarding off list discussion to list...

------- Original Copy -------
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lockup
>Date: 08/08/2001 7:33 PM
>From: Morten-Christian Bernson

>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Reply-To: Morten-Christian Bernson


>Is there something I can do to make this list work again?

When you log into the admin interface Mailman creates a
lockfile in the directory $prefix/locks (maybe
/home/mailman/locks).  That way two people can't do
conflicting things in the interface.  This lockfile is
removed when you logout, (or after a certain amount of time.
Is this right?)  You need to check this directory and remove
the lockfile.  Then your admin interface should function
properly.

- Ben

 



From reb at taco.com  Wed Aug  8 20:42:44 2001
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:42:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010808143924.02e3f988@mail.taco.com>

It would be *REALLY* nice if the default value for administrative tasks
related to submissions from the unknown masses was "discard"  -- though
I suppose the ability to set the default to one of approve/defer/reject/discard
would make this idea more appropriate to the majority of users. I find
that the VAST majority of items that show up in the queue are deserving
of the discard option.

reb

ps: Did anyone see my Python 2.0->2.1.1 upgrade question the other day?




From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  8 21:01:17 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:01:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] spanish translation
Message-ID: <20010808190117.94464.qmail@web13606.mail.yahoo.com>

Please, is anyone doing the translation for spanish?


Albert.





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From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  8 21:07:14 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:07:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archives
Message-ID: <20010808190714.69194.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com>

Please, how can i eraser de lists archives?, or how
can i eraser a part of de lists archives?.

regards 
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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug  8 21:28:31 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:28:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lockup
In-Reply-To: <31275286310.20010808193329@mortencb.cx>
References: <31275286310.20010808193329@mortencb.cx>
Message-ID: <20010808212831.311189b7.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:33:29 +0200
Morten-Christian Bernson  wrote:

> Then after a few minutes, I logged into the machine, and accidentally
> killed the process Mailman was running (trying the send the mail I
> suppose).  It was running on 97% of the CPU, and had been running for
> about 10 minutes.
> After this, I can't login to the admin interface for this list any
> more.  The message never got through (that should be understandable),
> and the other lists work.  But every time I try to login to the admin
> interface for this list, the web page just never load.  It just hangs,
> and seemingly wait for data.
> Is there something I can do to make this list work again?

You either have to wait till the lock expires (it's quite long... I think
about 24h... I'm not sure)... or remove the lock files from
~mailman/locks.

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us  Wed Aug  8 20:48:33 2001
From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller)
Date: 08 Aug 2001 13:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Problem on Redhat 7.1
Message-ID: <997296518.16965.34.camel@support>

This morning I installed mailman-2.0.5-2.i386.rpm for Redhat. Everything
seems to be working fine except the archives.I get this 404 Not Found
error.

The requested URL /pipermail/test2/ was not found on this server

I added to my httpd.conf the following:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/

Then restarted Apache.

When I look at /var/mailman/archives/public, I find a symbolic link that
points me to /var/mailman/archives/private/test.There doesn't seem to be
anything in the ..../private/test/ folder, so that may be the problem.

If anyone has any ideas, let me know.

Mike Tuller








From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug  8 22:23:25 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:23:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Problem on Redhat 7.1
In-Reply-To: <997296518.16965.34.camel@support>
References: <997296518.16965.34.camel@support>
Message-ID: <20010808222325.5a1b5521.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On 08 Aug 2001 13:48:33 -0500
Mike Tuller  wrote:

> This morning I installed mailman-2.0.5-2.i386.rpm for Redhat. Everything
> seems to be working fine except the archives.I get this 404 Not Found
> error.
> The requested URL /pipermail/test2/ was not found on this server

just a wild guess... has anything been send to the list yet and has the
first archives been created yet? Maybe nothing will show up in the private
dir untill the first time it builds the archive...

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo



From spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv  Wed Aug  8 22:51:13 2001
From: spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv (spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:51:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archives
In-Reply-To: <20010808190714.69194.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010808154957.00aaf0c0@mail.loosecanon.tv>

I can't even get the archives to work for me at all.
I wish someone would give me a clue what to do with it to get it working.
...Bryon

At 02:07 PM 8/8/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Please, how can i eraser de lists archives?, or how
>can i eraser a part of de lists archives?.
>
>regards
>albert
>
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From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us  Wed Aug  8 22:01:19 2001
From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller)
Date: 08 Aug 2001 15:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Problem on Redhat 7.1
In-Reply-To: <20010808222325.5a1b5521.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
References: <997296518.16965.34.camel@support> 
	<20010808222325.5a1b5521.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <997300879.16962.43.camel@support>

I just got an email back stating that the email address that I have for
the list doesn't exist. Do I need to set a user account up for each list
I create?


On 08 Aug 2001 22:23:25 +0200, Ricardo F. Kustner wrote:
> On 08 Aug 2001 13:48:33 -0500
> Mike Tuller  wrote:
> 
> > This morning I installed mailman-2.0.5-2.i386.rpm for Redhat. Everything
> > seems to be working fine except the archives.I get this 404 Not Found
> > error.
> > The requested URL /pipermail/test2/ was not found on this server
> 
> just a wild guess... has anything been send to the list yet and has the
> first archives been created yet? Maybe nothing will show up in the private
> dir untill the first time it builds the archive...
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Ricardo
> 





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Aug  8 23:14:40 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:14:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Problem on Redhat 7.1
Message-ID: <200108082114.OAA23359@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> I just got an email back stating that the email address that I have for
> the list doesn't exist. 

"the email address that I have for the list doesn't exist"....what
does that mean exactly?  Does it mean "you got an error message saying
 is unknown or invalid"?

> Do I need to set a user account up for each list
> I create?

You need the set of aliases that newlist informs you of added to your
mailserver aliases, usually manually.

You also apparently need to read the instructions in README,
and to read what newlist says to you.




From waterknot1 at mac.com  Wed Aug  8 23:45:24 2001
From: waterknot1 at mac.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:45:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, Ownership, and Apache
Message-ID: <200108082145.OAA05174@smtpout.mac.com>

Well, I may have finally gotten this figured out.
Thanks to a friend who is a Linux/Unix wiz who gave me the key for the 
httpd.conf.
I would have to look back to see who suggested making everything in the 
$prefix directory user=mailman,
group=mailman. I did that using "chown -R mailman ."  and "chgrp -R  
mailman ."
That did not work, but then I did this:

%cd ./cgi-bin
%chown www *

The next part come from my Linux buddy.

"You also should have a  block relating to this alias in your
httpd.conf file.  This should work if you paste it after the ScriptAlias
line.


     AllowOverride None
     Options ExecCGI
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all


The ExecCGI is the crucial point here as it allows the files inside the
directory to be executed."

My ScriptAlias line reads:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/Users/timrob/mailman/cgi-bin/"

So, does anyone see any problem with this setup?
It appears to be working now, so that is my main objective.
However, I still want to be sure it is a secure configuration.

Tim Roberts
mailto:waterknot1 at mac.com



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From waterknot1 at mac.com  Thu Aug  9 00:28:21 2001
From: waterknot1 at mac.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:28:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman, Ownership, and Apache
Message-ID: <200108082228.PAA16781@smtpout.mac.com>

Oops, I guess I spoke too soon. It worked when I logged in 5 different 
times.
Now I'm back to "403 Forbidden" This really doesn't make sense to me


On Wednesday, August 8, 2001, at 04:46 PM, Tim Roberts wrote:

> Well, I may have finally gotten this figured out.
> Thanks to a friend who is a Linux/Unix wiz who gave me the key for the 
> httpd.conf.
> I would have to look back to see who suggested making everything in the 
> $prefix directory user=mailman,
> group=mailman. I did that using "chown -R mailman ."  and "chgrp -R  
> mailman ."
> That did not work, but then I did this:
>
> %cd ./cgi-bin
> %chown www *
>
> The next part come from my Linux buddy.
>
> "You also should have a  block relating to this alias in your
> httpd.conf file.  This should work if you paste it after the ScriptAlias
> line.
>
> 
>     AllowOverride None
>     Options ExecCGI
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> 
>
> The ExecCGI is the crucial point here as it allows the files inside the
> directory to be executed."
>
> My ScriptAlias line reads:
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/Users/timrob/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
> So, does anyone see any problem with this setup?
> It appears to be working now, so that is my main objective.
> However, I still want to be sure it is a secure configuration.
>
> Tim Roberts
> mailto:waterknot1 at mac.com
>
>
>
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From arandall at auntminnie.com  Thu Aug  9 00:32:18 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:32:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending duplicate msgs
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010803102118.02d5c410@www.vtwebwizard.com>
Message-ID: <3B71BDF2.6CD63371@auntminnie.com>

Rene Churchill wrote:

> I've got a problem where mailman is sending duplicate email's
> out to the list.  Obviously this is pissing off the list memebers.
>
> My current theory as to why it's happening is that
> QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME was set too low.

[snip]

No kidding, it would piss me off too ... :-)

We're currently still in development stages with our implementation of
Mailman (such as it is) and haven't experienced this problem to date,
but I've noticed a number of other people have been reporting and
discussing this issue over the past few months. I haven't noticed a
lot of definitive answers or information about this problem in
particular, so I have some questions about its status.

In particular I'm noticing it happen with people with very large
(several hundred to several thousand) users. This is raising some red
flags for me, as one of our current lists slated to be migrated to
Mailman (if we ever get it functional) runs a permanent subscriber
base of ~ twenty-nine thousand people. Now, it is an announce-only
list, with a max of two messages a day... but they're a rather touchy
lot, and mailbombing them with a couple dozen copies of a message is a
sure way to get my cute little butt canned. So I have a vested
interest in preventing this from occurring in our production
environment.

Has it been reasonably established that the file lock is a/an/the
cause of or contributor to this issue? Has anyone managed to
successfully correct the problem? Anyone working on leads? Any
proposed fixes in the future 2.1?


Thanks,
=)
Amanda





From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Thu Aug  9 01:00:08 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman, Ownership, and Apache
In-Reply-To: <200108082228.PAA16781@smtpout.mac.com>
Message-ID: 

on 8/8/01 5:28 PM, Tim Roberts at waterknot1 at mac.com wrote:

> So, does anyone see any problem with this setup?
> It appears to be working now, so that is my main objective.
> However, I still want to be sure it is a secure configuration.

It's as secure as mailman is - it was me by the way who suggest the mailman
ownership rights - www gives more people access to it...........

 Robert Brandtjen
 --------------------------------------
 Web Site Creation and Hosting Services
 Hostmaster at prometheusmedia.com
 www.prometheusmedia.com




From megglestone at heritage.sd57.bc.ca  Thu Aug  9 05:20:35 2001
From: megglestone at heritage.sd57.bc.ca (Mike Egglestone)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:20:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe problems (email addresses)
Message-ID: <997327235.3b7201833e100@www.heritage.sd57.bc.ca>

Hi..

I noticed this problem and wondered if it was normal....

I setup mailman on my Debian system...
Mailman version 1.1 I think...
(running exim as the MTA)
When I goto the subscribe screen and subsribe with this user:

johnny at sd57.bc.ca

It all works great!
but there is another mail server on a subdomain of "sd57.bc.ca"

so then say another use tries to subscribe as this:

johnny at subdomain.sd57.bc.ca

Then Mailman says that the user is already subscribed...
Is this normal?

thanks
Mike
~~Bill, Bill who?~~



From sgeiger at ncee.net  Thu Aug  9 09:55:59 2001
From: sgeiger at ncee.net (Shane Geiger)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 02:55:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI_DIR
Message-ID: 

Below is the output of the check_perms as it bombs.  It seems as if the
CGI_DIR isn't defined (or something like that), as the mm_cfg file isn't
found.  (I have found mm_cfg.py in the filesystem, but the check_perms
program doesn't find it...)  Anyone know how to define that?

Thanks.

----------

list at adam:/usr/lib/mailman$ bin/check_perms
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 280, in ?
    checkcgi()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 183, in checkcgi
    exes = os.listdir(mm_cfg.CGI_DIR)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
list at adam:/usr/lib/mailman$ apt-cache search slocate
slocate - a secure locate replacement




From rene at vtwebwizard.com  Thu Aug  9 15:08:10 2001
From: rene at vtwebwizard.com (Rene Churchill)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 09:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending duplicate msgs
In-Reply-To: <3B71BDF2.6CD63371@auntminnie.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010803102118.02d5c410@www.vtwebwizard.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010809090435.02c40a70@www.vtwebwizard.com>

Hi Amanda,

The last issue of the newsletter went out yesterday without
any problems, so I think setting QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME did
the trick.  The subscriber base on this list is about 27,000
so Mailman can handle the list size.  I think it was my
original tweaks pushing for performance that caused this whole
mess to erupt.

        Rene

At 03:32 PM 8/8/01, Amanda wrote:
>Rene Churchill wrote:
>
>> I've got a problem where mailman is sending duplicate email's
>> out to the list.  Obviously this is pissing off the list memebers.
>>
>> My current theory as to why it's happening is that
>> QRUNNER_LOCK_LIFETIME was set too low.
>
>[snip]
>
>No kidding, it would piss me off too ... :-)
>
>We're currently still in development stages with our implementation of
>Mailman (such as it is) and haven't experienced this problem to date,
>but I've noticed a number of other people have been reporting and
>discussing this issue over the past few months. I haven't noticed a
>lot of definitive answers or information about this problem in
>particular, so I have some questions about its status.
>
>In particular I'm noticing it happen with people with very large
>(several hundred to several thousand) users. This is raising some red
>flags for me, as one of our current lists slated to be migrated to
>Mailman (if we ever get it functional) runs a permanent subscriber
>base of ~ twenty-nine thousand people. Now, it is an announce-only
>list, with a max of two messages a day... but they're a rather touchy
>lot, and mailbombing them with a couple dozen copies of a message is a
>sure way to get my cute little butt canned. So I have a vested
>interest in preventing this from occurring in our production
>environment.
>
>Has it been reasonably established that the file lock is a/an/the
>cause of or contributor to this issue? Has anyone managed to
>successfully correct the problem? Anyone working on leads? Any
>proposed fixes in the future 2.1?


--
Ren? Churchill                         rene at vtwebwizard.com
Vermont Web Wizard, LLC                802-244-5151
Specializing in Web Programming        802-244-5512 (fax)
                 http://www.vtwebwizard.com






From laur at grapefruitdesign.com  Thu Aug  9 20:41:33 2001
From: laur at grapefruitdesign.com (Laurian Gridinoc)
Date: 09 Aug 2001 21:41:33 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling spam control
Message-ID: <997382495.1503.2.camel@smith.thedot.net>

Hello,

I'm not sure how to disable the BCC spam control, I get:

"Pending posts:
     From: laur at grapefruitdesign.com on Wed Aug  8 21:43:01 2001
    Cause: Message has implicit destination"

when I use BCC to send a mail copy to a mailman list.


Thanks,

-- 
Laurian Gridinoc
Chief Web Developer
GRAPEFRUIT DESIGN
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e-mail:		laur at grapefruitdesign.com
ICQ:		73831683
mobile:		+40 95 304379
voice/fax:	(032) 233068 (Romania)
voice/fax:	(646) 349-2916 (United States)
voice/fax:	(0845) 127-5996 (UK)
web:		www.grapefruitdesign.com
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From ryan at p11.com  Thu Aug  9 21:26:14 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble installing mailman with postfix on fbsd
Message-ID: <000201c12109$27b39f70$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

I seem to be having the trouble listed in the 'Common problems FAQ'
about Postfix complaining about the wrong GID.  I've installed
postfix-20010228 (patch level 3.2) and mailman as via the ports system
on free bsd 4.3-STABLE.

Basically, postfix is gid '1001' and mailman is '89'.  I've added the
line: 
alias_maps = hash:/usr/local/mailman/mailman.aliases

to my /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf like the faq states.  Added my list
aliases to this file and ran postalias as user 'mailman', creating the
mailman.aliases.db file:

root at sakaki.p11.com:/usr/local/mailman# ls mailman.aliases*
-rw-r--r--  1 mailman  mailman    304 Aug  9 12:08 mailman.aliases
-rw-r--r--  1 mailman  mailman  32768 Aug  9 12:08 mailman.aliases.db

I can get mailman to generate all the administrative emails about the
list being setup correctly, so I procede to sign a user up to the list.
When the user replies to the confirmation mail, this creeps up in the
mail logs:

Aug  9 12:12:26 sakaki postfix/smtpd[10491]: connect from
7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]
Aug  9 12:12:26 sakaki postfix/smtpd[10491]: 549795BC:
client=7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]
Aug  9 12:12:26 sakaki postfix/cleanup[10492]: 549795BC:
message-id=<000001c12107$433f63c0$0701a8c0 at rcreasey01>
Aug  9 12:12:26 sakaki postfix/qmgr[10490]: 549795BC:
from=, size=1789, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug  9 12:12:26 sakaki postfix/local[10494]: 549795BC:
to=, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dcms")
Aug  9 12:12:29 sakaki postfix/smtpd[10491]: disconnect from
7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]
Aug  9 12:12:46 sakaki Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 89, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)

Please help... I'm at wits end and have spent many hours trying to
figure this out.  Anyone see something I'm blatently missing?

Ryan C. Creasey
Web Programmer
p11creative 




From tim_freedom at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  9 21:38:56 2001
From: tim_freedom at hotmail.com (Tim Freedom)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:38:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & MHonArc -- PLEASE help
Message-ID: 

We're using Mailman v-1.1 and are trying to get MHonArc v-2.4.4 to
work -- this is on a Debian system (2.2.19pre17 #1 SMP).

Here are the entries in our /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file
(these are the only changes we made for mhonarc BTW - what's noted
below for each ARCHIVER entry is a single line, I opted to paste this
way to easy reading)

ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc
  -msgsep "^From .*\d:\d+:\d+.*"
  -addressmodifycode "s/\@/ /g; s/\./ /g"
  -nomailto -add
  /archives/private/%(listname)s.mbox/%(listname)s.mbox
  -outdir /www/htdocs/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver)'

PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc
  -msgsep "^From .*\d:\d+:\d+.*"
  -addressmodifycode "s/\@/ /g; s/\./ /g"
  -nomailto -add
  /archives/private/%(listname)s.mbox/%(listname)s.mbox
  -outdir /www/htdocs/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver)'

Can someone PLEASE tell us why this is not working ???

Yup, the path to the mailbox is correct
(/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox)

We don't even get the /tmp/out_external_archiver file ?

What are we doing wrong ? or better yet, what do we need to do to
get this working ?  MHonArc works great if we invoke it by hand, so
why isn't Mailman triggering its execution (we're running a cron job
now, but would really like to get this working properly) ?

Can someone, please, post the exact syntax.

BTW: looking at the Mailman user archives, this issue definitely
     needs to added to the FAQ :-)

Thanks in advance for all your help.


_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp




From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Thu Aug  9 21:51:31 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:51:31 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Templates translation
Message-ID: <20010809165131.166cd191.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

I wish to locate a Spanish translation of the templates/ files.  Do you
know where I can obtain it?

Of course, I can do translations but I would do it if nobody have one
before and if I can share my work after do it.

(I know the efforts to coordinate global mailman translations, but they
coordinate the development)

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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Thu Aug  9 22:21:33 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:21:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling spam control
In-Reply-To: <997382495.1503.2.camel@smith.thedot.net>
References: <997382495.1503.2.camel@smith.thedot.net>
Message-ID: <20010809222133.6077fcf1.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On 09 Aug 2001 21:41:33 +0300
Laurian Gridinoc  wrote:

> I'm not sure how to disable the BCC spam control, I get:
> "Pending posts:
>      From: laur at grapefruitdesign.com on Wed Aug  8 21:43:01 2001
>     Cause: Message has implicit destination"
> when I use BCC to send a mail copy to a mailman list.

change Privacy Options -> Spam-specific posting filters
"Most posts have list named...etc" to "No" in the administrative
interface. 

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Thu Aug  9 22:29:59 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:29:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Templates translation
Message-ID: <200108092029.NAA00858@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Included in 2.1 already

> I wish to locate a Spanish translation of the templates/ files.  Do you
> know where I can obtain it?
> 
> Of course, I can do translations but I would do it if nobody have one
> before and if I can share my work after do it.
> 
> (I know the efforts to coordinate global mailman translations, but they
> coordinate the development)




From parris at isciences.com  Thu Aug  9 22:46:50 2001
From: parris at isciences.com (Thomas M. Parris)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:46:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] edit moderated messages?
Message-ID: <002401c12114$6a7fafa0$3a28603f@CHERRYBLOSSOM>

Greetings:

I am migrating a set of lists from CREN's listproc to mailman.  So far, I am
very impressed with mailman and have had no problems installing it
(mailman-2.0.6) onto a RedHat 7.1 server with sendmail as the MTA.  My
heartfelt thanks to the mailman team for putting together such a fine
product.

However, there is one important feature from listproc that I am unable to
replicate with mailman, the ability for list moderators to edit messages as
part of the approval process.  I can edit the message on the approval form,
but the message is sent to the list without edits.

I have checked the FAQ, the wish list, and the archives.  I see some
discussion of this as a "wish" in the developers list during 1999, and one
or two messages in the last year or so on the users list.  However, I see no
indication that this feature has been implemented, or is being considered
for implementation.

For my application, the moderator must eb able to edit subject lines and the
content of messages.

1. Am I blind?  If so, I would be most grateful of someone could point me to
some information about how to do this.

2. If it is not possible using the approval form, can someone suggest a
work-around that would not be too cumbersome for a moderator that must
approve/edit approximately 20-50 messages per day?

With best regards,
Tom Parris
------------------------------------------------------
Thomas M. Parris
Research Scientist & Executive Director, Boston Office
ISCIENCES, LLC
685 Centre Street, Suite 207
Jamaica Plain, MA  02130
voice: 617.524.8041          http://www.isciences.com/
fax:   509.463.4679          http://www.terraviva.net/
email: parris at isciences.com
------------------------------------------------------




From claw at 2wire.com  Thu Aug  9 23:28:42 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:28:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] edit moderated messages? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Thomas M. Parris"  
   of "Thu, 09 Aug 2001 16:46:50 EDT." <002401c12114$6a7fafa0$3a28603f@CHERRYBLOSSOM> 
References: <002401c12114$6a7fafa0$3a28603f@CHERRYBLOSSOM> 
Message-ID: <19358.997392522@2wire.com>

On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:46:50 -0400 
Thomas M Parris  wrote:

> However, there is one important feature from listproc that I am
> unable to replicate with mailman, the ability for list moderators
> to edit messages as part of the approval process.  I can edit the
> message on the approval form, but the message is sent to the list
> without edits.

> I have checked the FAQ, the wish list, and the archives.  I see
> some discussion of this as a "wish" in the developers list during
> 1999, and one or two messages in the last year or so on the users
> list.  

This is not currently a feature of Mailman.  At one time I started
on adding such a feature and then noticed that I could run XEmacs
directly on the held messages in ~/data and dropped the project
right there (XEmacs offers far more tools and flexibility than a web
form ever could).

> However, I see no indication that this feature has been
> implemented, or is being considered for implementation.

Its not a terribly difficult feature to add (ensure the form always
displays entire messages no matter their length, and then replace
the message string with the form value).  I just no longer have that
particular itch.

> 1. Am I blind?  If so, I would be most grateful of someone could
> point me to some information about how to do this.

I cheat and do it from the shell.

> 2. If it is not possible using the approval form, can someone
> suggest a work-around that would not be too cumbersome for a
> moderator that must approve/edit approximately 20-50 messages per
> day?

I do the above for 30 - 100 messages per day.

If you take this path, which I don't recommend, note carefully the
security exposures of granting privileged shell access to your list
moderators.

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From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Fri Aug 10 02:30:28 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 21:30:28 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem to create list 2.1a2
Message-ID: <20010809213028.009250ed.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

Thank you Dan, I have downloaded 2.1a2 and it is working in full Spanish
language.  Excellent work, translation teem!

Now I have problem with aliases.db file, and need help!

I uses Postfix.  README.POSTFIX says:

    - touch the file $mailman/data/aliases.db and make sure that both
      the owner and group-owner of the file is `mailman'.  Make sure
      that both owner and group have read and write permission.

see ls -al /var/spool/mailman/data/aliases.db 

-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman         0 Aug  9 06:07 aliases.db

well, when I create a new list I receive the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 54, in main
    process_request(doc, cgidata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 178, in
process_request
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 122, in create
    db = dbhash.open(DBFILE, 'c')
  File "/var/tmp/python-root//usr/lib/python2.0/dbhash.py", line 8, in
    open 
    return bsddb.hashopen(file, flag, mode)
error: (22, 'Invalid argument')


I understand that problem is in the Postfix.py", line 122, in create db =
dbhash.open(DBFILE, 'c') and is not a problem of Postfix daemon running as
nobody:nobody.

The aliases.db remains 0 byte    but all other task are completed (the
list can be listed and admin).

Postfix says:
postfix/local[19621]: fatal: open database
/var/spool/mailman/data/aliases.db: Invalid argument
postfix/qmgr[19291]: warning: end of input while receiving string data
from service private/local
postfix/qmgr[19291]: warning: private/local: malformed response
postfix/master[19289]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/local pid 19621
exit status 1
postfix/master[19289]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/local: bad command
startup -- throttling


Can somebody help me, please??


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From perrot at fluxus.net  Fri Aug 10 09:46:18 2001
From: perrot at fluxus.net (Gildas PERROT)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:46:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to get a web interface for a search on several months (or period) of archives ?
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Does that very useful functionnality exist or is it expected ?

Thanks in advance.

Gildas.
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 10 17:16:25 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:16:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem to create list 2.1a2
In-Reply-To: <20010809213028.009250ed.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>; from rodolfo@linux.org.uy on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 09:30:28PM -0300
References: <20010809213028.009250ed.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>
Message-ID: <20010810111624.A453@mems-exchange.org>

On 09 August 2001, Rodolfo Pilas said:
> see ls -al /var/spool/mailman/data/aliases.db 
> 
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman         0 Aug  9 06:07 aliases.db
> 
> well, when I create a new list I receive the following error:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
[...]
>   File "/var/tmp/python-root//usr/lib/python2.0/dbhash.py", line 8, in
>     open 
>     return bsddb.hashopen(file, flag, mode)
> error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

Berkeley DB doesn't like zero-byte files.  Despite what README.postfix
says, I would delete that aliases.db file and try again.  I'm guessing
Mailman (or rather, the bsddb module) will create it for you.

        Greg
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From ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr  Fri Aug 10 17:44:53 2001
From: ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr (ceyhun at robot.metu.edu.tr)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 18:44:53 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] about web interface
In-Reply-To: <15208.1087.484786.794274@daimi.au.dk>
Message-ID: 

Hi there,
I installed mailman on my RH7.1 box (apache runs)

Now I am using mailman but I can not use its web interface...

Please tell me how can I activate mailman's web interface...

I am a newbie...
thanks




From mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us  Fri Aug 10 17:50:56 2001
From: mtuller at ce.anoka.k12.mn.us (Mike Tuller)
Date: 10 Aug 2001 10:50:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Problem on Redhat 7.1
In-Reply-To: <20010808222325.5a1b5521.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
References: <997296518.16965.34.camel@support> 
	<20010808222325.5a1b5521.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <997458657.2930.3.camel@support>

How do I create the first archive manually to make sure everything is
working?



On 08 Aug 2001 22:23:25 +0200, Ricardo F. Kustner wrote:
> On 08 Aug 2001 13:48:33 -0500
> Mike Tuller  wrote:
> 
> > This morning I installed mailman-2.0.5-2.i386.rpm for Redhat. Everything
> > seems to be working fine except the archives.I get this 404 Not Found
> > error.
> > The requested URL /pipermail/test2/ was not found on this server
> 
> just a wild guess... has anything been send to the list yet and has the
> first archives been created yet? Maybe nothing will show up in the private
> dir untill the first time it builds the archive...
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Ricardo
> 





From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Fri Aug 10 19:24:06 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:24:06 -0300
Subject: Fw: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem to create list 2.1a2
Message-ID: <20010810142406.21c71476.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

El Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:16:25 -0400
Greg Ward  ha escrito:

> On 09 August 2001, Rodolfo Pilas said:
> > see ls -al /var/spool/mailman/data/aliases.db 
> > 
> > -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      0 Aug  9 06:07 aliases.db

> Berkeley DB doesn't like zero-byte files.  Despite what README.postfix
> says, I would delete that aliases.db file and try again.  I'm guessing
> Mailman (or rather, the bsddb module) will create it for you.

No way.  

I have made the following error when create a list:

1) I deleted aliases.db, as you suggest. -> Error!
2) I echo \# >> aliases.db (puaj!) -> Error!
3) I cp /etc/aliases.db mailman/data/aliases.db -> Error!

See now the error of test 3):

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./newlist", line 192, in ?
    main()
  File "./newlist", line 167, in main
    sys.modules[modname].create(mlist)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 134, in create
    addlist(mlist, db, fp)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 91, in addlist
    print >> fp, '# CREATED:', time.ctime()
TypeError: function requires at least one argument


Now I understand a problem in MTA/Postfix.py

Perhaps I need to go to mailman-dev list with my problem...


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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 10 19:33:08 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400
Subject: Fw: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem to create list 2.1a2
In-Reply-To: <20010810142406.21c71476.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>; from rodolfo@linux.org.uy on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:24:06PM -0300
References: <20010810142406.21c71476.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>
Message-ID: <20010810133308.A1006@mems-exchange.org>

On 10 August 2001, Rodolfo Pilas said:
> See now the error of test 3):
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./newlist", line 192, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./newlist", line 167, in main
>     sys.modules[modname].create(mlist)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 134, in create
>     addlist(mlist, db, fp)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 91, in addlist
>     print >> fp, '# CREATED:', time.ctime()
> TypeError: function requires at least one argument
> 
> Now I understand a problem in MTA/Postfix.py

You haven't said which version of Python or which version of Mailman
you're using.  I suspect you're using Python 1.6, because time.ctime()
function changed somewhere between Python 1.5.2 and 2.1 so its arguments
are optional.  (If you were using Python 1.5.2, the "print >>" would
have causes a syntax error.)

I also suspect you may be using a Mailman 2.1 alpha, because there's no
MTA/Postfix.py in the Mailman 2.0.6 distribution I have here.

        Greg
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From david at midrange.com  Fri Aug 10 20:08:35 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:08:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password via email?
Message-ID: <200108101808.f7AI8Z120024@linux.midrange.com>

Folks:

Is there a way for a user to be mailed his password by sending
in a email request?

I know it can be done from the web interface, but I haven't found 
a way to get it via email.

Thanks!

david




From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Fri Aug 10 20:05:54 2001
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:05:54 -0300
Subject: Fw: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem to create list 2.1a2
In-Reply-To: <20010810133308.A1006@mems-exchange.org>
References: <20010810142406.21c71476.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>
	<20010810133308.A1006@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20010810150554.3cd2235f.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>

El Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:33:08 -0400
Greg Ward  ha escrito:

> You haven't said which version of Python or which version of Mailman
> you're using.  I suspect you're using Python 1.6, because time.ctime()
> function changed somewhere between Python 1.5.2 and 2.1 so its arguments
> are optional.  (If you were using Python 1.5.2, the "print >>" would
> have causes a syntax error.)

guru /home/rodolfo> python -V
Python 2.0
 
> I also suspect you may be using a Mailman 2.1 alpha, because there's no
> MTA/Postfix.py in the Mailman 2.0.6 distribution I have here.

Mailman 2.1a2 (because I wish the Spanish translation!)


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From max.derkachev at books.ru  Mon Aug  6 11:46:21 2001
From: max.derkachev at books.ru (Maxim Derkachev)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:46:21 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords are mandatory??
Message-ID: <449254256.20010806134621@books.ru>

Hello all.
Is there a possibility to turn off passwords for mailman list members?
For some auditories, where people tend to not deal with computers
well, forget passwords, loose welcome emails or just too lazy, the
passwords become just the pain in the ass. Could someone advise?

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From ChristB at visuaide.com  Mon Aug  6 20:28:39 2001
From: ChristB at visuaide.com (Christian Billette)
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 14:28:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error of permissions
Message-ID: <3B6EA997.13890.1EEA7DEA@localhost>

Somebody have sent this message before and he got no answers 
I have the same problem. Here is the problem:

I just installed Mailman on a bsd server and the web interface seems not to be 
recognizing cookies and requires me to login every time I try to make changes 
on any of the screens. None of the changes to settings keep.Cookies are 
enabled on my browser. I tried enabling all different kinds of cookies and 
security options on ie. I also made sure that my clock is synchronized with the 
server clock.

I also receive this message from cron:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in 
main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, 
in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, 
in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access 
config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info



Thank you !

Christian B.
Network Administrator
Visuaide, inc.



From jonathanm at alphasoftservices.com  Tue Aug  7 23:37:42 2001
From: jonathanm at alphasoftservices.com (Jonathan Matheny)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:37:42 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message posting difficulty
Message-ID: 

I seem to have run into a snag.  

On messages sent to listmembers, having the name of the poster in the from
field, but the list address as the e-mail address of the poster.

Any Ideas??

Regards,
Jonathan M. Matheny
925-952-6504 - Office
925-932-3743 - FAX

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-- Arthur C. Clarke

This message is intended for the use of the intended recipient(s) and may
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recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies
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From shekarp at pcweb.com  Wed Aug  8 04:03:32 2001
From: shekarp at pcweb.com (Shekar Pasumarthi)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:03:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20010807190120.02c2d8c0@209.238.153.233>

I am trying to remove a list. I see a rmlist command in the bin directory, 
but I keep getting the following error...

  bin/rmlist bench
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "bin/rmlist", line 44, in ?
     from Mailman import mm_cfg
ImportError: No module named Mailman

Any help would be helpful.

Thanks
Shekar




From Sean.Cullen at eolach.com  Wed Aug  8 12:33:51 2001
From: Sean.Cullen at eolach.com (Sean Cullen)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:33:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman commercial support
Message-ID: 

Hi Frank,

>as our customer is getting quite impatient to hear what caused this and how
>we'll solve it, we might be interested in commercial mailman-support. do
you
>know of a company with enough expertise, preferably located in europe (or
>who knows, even in belgium) that can provide this kind of support?

This is a shameless plug - I work in Eolach and we provide
open source professional services.

We are based in Dublin, Ireland and have a lot of experience with
mailman and other open source packages. We have helped our customers
host over 2100 lists using mailman, the largest of which has about 10
thousand email addresses.

Please feel free to contact me if you are interested.

All the best,

Sean.
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From dong at csoma.elte.hu  Wed Aug  8 16:13:20 2001
From: dong at csoma.elte.hu (LE Van Dong)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:13:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove list ?
In-Reply-To: <7476.997269703@www25.gmx.net>
Message-ID: 

   Hi Everybody,

How can i remove mailing list with name  x&y
Thanks.

Br,
Dong

PS : rm_list x\&y ["x&y",'x&y' ...] not working !






From tim_freedom at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  8 20:34:54 2001
From: tim_freedom at hotmail.com (Tim Freedom)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:34:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & MHonArc - please HELP
Message-ID: 

We're using Mailman v-1.1 and are trying to get MHonArc v-2.4.4 to
work -- this is on a Debian system (2.2.19pre17 #1 SMP).

Here are the entries in our /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file
(these are the only changes we made for mhonarc BTW)

ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc
  -msgsep "^From .*\d:\d+:\d+.*"
  -addressmodifycode "s/\./ /g; s/\@/  /g"
  -nomailto -add
  /archives/private/%(listname)s.mbox/%(listname)s.mbox
  -outdir /www/htdocs/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver)'

PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '(/usr/bin/mhonarc
  -msgsep "^From .*\d:\d+:\d+.*"
  -addressmodifycode "s/\./ /g; s/\@/  /g"
  -nomailto -add
  /archives/private/%(listname)s.mbox/%(listname)s.mbox
  -outdir /www/htdocs/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver)'

Can someone PLEASE tell us why this is not working ???

Are the "%(listname)s" correct ?
We don't even get the /tmp/out_external_archiver file ? why ?

What are we doing wrong ? or better yet, what do we need to do to
get this working ?  MHonArc works great if we invoke it by hand, so
why isn't Mailman triggering its execution (we're running a cron job
now, but would really like to get this working properly) ?

Is this a bug in Mailman ?

Thanks in advance for your help.


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From dan.mick at west.sun.com  Wed Aug  8 21:11:54 2001
From: dan.mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:11:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list archives
References: <20010808190714.69194.qmail@web13602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B718EFA.ED7F2E25@west.sun.com>


Albert Medina wrote:
> 
> Please, how can i eraser de lists archives?, or how
> can i eraser a part of de lists archives?.

bin/arch will regenerate archives from the .mbox file, so

1) back up everything in case you make a mistake
2) remove the archives
3) edit the mbox file to remove the undesired messages
4) use bin/arch to regenerate the file

See instructions at the beginning of bin/arch (it's Python source,
but it has comments).

This is a permanent modification, so pay attention to step 1.
Also, it can run pretty slowly because of locking and unlocking the
mailing list database for each archived message, so consider doing it
during a slow period and/or disabling your list while it's happening so 
as not to cause a lot of long lock waits.



From waterknot1 at home.com  Thu Aug  9 00:17:37 2001
From: waterknot1 at home.com (Tim Roberts)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:17:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman, Ownership, and Apache
Message-ID: <20010808221738.CHTA27925.femail38.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost>

Oops, I guess I spoke too soon. It worked when I logged in 5 different 
times.
Now I'm back to "403 Forbidden" This really doesn't make sense to me


On Wednesday, August 8, 2001, at 04:46 PM, Tim Roberts wrote:

> Well, I may have finally gotten this figured out.
> Thanks to a friend who is a Linux/Unix wiz who gave me the key for the 
> httpd.conf.
> I would have to look back to see who suggested making everything in the 
> $prefix directory user=mailman,
> group=mailman. I did that using "chown -R mailman ."  and "chgrp -R  
> mailman ."
> That did not work, but then I did this:
>
> %cd ./cgi-bin
> %chown www *
>
> The next part come from my Linux buddy.
>
> "You also should have a  block relating to this alias in your
> httpd.conf file.  This should work if you paste it after the ScriptAlias
> line.
>
> 
>     AllowOverride None
>     Options ExecCGI
>     Order allow,deny
>     Allow from all
> 
>
> The ExecCGI is the crucial point here as it allows the files inside the
> directory to be executed."
>
> My ScriptAlias line reads:
>
> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/Users/timrob/mailman/cgi-bin/"
>
> So, does anyone see any problem with this setup?
> It appears to be working now, so that is my main objective.
> However, I still want to be sure it is a secure configuration.
>
> Tim Roberts
> mailto:waterknot1 at mac.com
>
>
>
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Aug  9 02:51:53 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:51:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending duplicate msgs
In-Reply-To: <3B71BDF2.6CD63371@auntminnie.com>; from arandall@auntminnie.com on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:32:18PM -0700
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010803102118.02d5c410@www.vtwebwizard.com> <3B71BDF2.6CD63371@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <20010808175153.M17989@magic.merlins.org>

On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 03:32:18PM -0700, Amanda wrote:
> In particular I'm noticing it happen with people with very large
> (several hundred to several thousand) users. This is raising some red
> flags for me, as one of our current lists slated to be migrated to
> Mailman (if we ever get it functional) runs a permanent subscriber
> base of ~ twenty-nine thousand people. Now, it is an announce-only

Just for the record, I run about 13,000 lists on one server, with a total of
261,000 subscribed  Emails (137,000 unique)  and haven't yet had  reports of
such problems.
However, I just checked and my biggest list only has 4611 members, but I'm
not sure that list size would really  make that big a difference, while exim
is fast, it can't  always deliver 4,000+ emails in less  than one minute, so
every so often, one of my queue runner runs past its minute timeslot, and
I've never seen problems.
Aug 07 08:54:03 2001 usw-sf-list1 (8720) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Aug 07 08:55:03 2001 usw-sf-list1 (9134) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Aug 07 08:56:03 2001 usw-sf-list1 (9605) Could not acquire qrunner lock

My guess is that  it may be a problem with qrunner  locks, but having played
with  that code  a bit  (and debugged  qrunners that  were running  too long
mostly due to pipermail html archiving), I've not seen any problems with the
locking.

The one thing that does worry me a bit, is seeing these every so often:

qrunner log:
Aug 08 06:31:11 2001 usw-sf-list1 (17279) Unlinking orphaned .db file: /var/loca
l/mailman/qfiles/cd455f72612f82876d68c875f9b1eb2951e6dc71.db

error log:
Aug 08 06:31:11 2001 usw-sf-list1 qrunner(17279): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 08 06:31:11 2001 usw-sf-list1 qrunner(17279):   File "/var/local/mailman/cro
n/qrunner", line 282, in ?
Aug 08 06:31:11 2001 usw-sf-list1 qrunner(17279):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 08 06:31:11 2001 usw-sf-list1 qrunner(17279):   File "/var/local/mailman/cro
n/qrunner", line 202, in main
Aug 08 06:31:11 2001 usw-sf-list1 qrunner(17279):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Aug 08 06:31:11 2001 usw-sf-list1 qrunner(17279): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such f
ile or directory: '/var/local/mailman/qfiles/cd455f72612f82876d68c875f9b1eb2951e
6dc71.db'


Marc
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From pearu at cens.ioc.ee  Thu Aug  9 17:46:28 2001
From: pearu at cens.ioc.ee (Pearu Peterson)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:46:28 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Latin 1 characters
Message-ID: 

Hi!

I have noticed that latin 1 (or rather non US ascii) characters are mapped
to 3-strings starting with = character when messages are shown in the
Mailman archive. For example,

TeX repr. -> Mailman (?) translation
\~o -> =F5
\~O -> =D5
\"a -> =E4
\"A -> =C4
\"o -> =F6
\"O -> =D6
\"u -> =FC
\"U -> =DC
\t -> =09

Which part of Mailman does this translation? Can I affect this in any way?
Currently I am having a thought of scanning
	mailman/archives/private/.mbox
for strings r'=[A-F0-9][A-F0-9]' and replacing them with the original
characters (and then rerunning arch on that list).
But is there a better way of getting the same result?

Any hints are appreciated.
Thanks,
	Pearu




From Alan at LCS.MIT.EDU  Thu Aug  9 23:39:13 2001
From: Alan at LCS.MIT.EDU (Alan Bawden)
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:39:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman sending duplicate msgs
In-Reply-To: 
	(mailman-users-request@python.org)
References: 
Message-ID: <9Aug2001.141603.Alan@LCS.MIT.EDU>

   Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:32:18 -0700
   From: Amanda 
   ...
   No kidding, it would piss me off too ... :-)

   We're currently still in development stages with our implementation of
   Mailman (such as it is) and haven't experienced this problem to date,
   but I've noticed a number of other people have been reporting and
   discussing this issue over the past few months. I haven't noticed a lot
   of definitive answers or information about this problem in particular,
   so I have some questions about its status.

Indeed.  I'm planning to move a bunch of mailing lists to mailman in the
near future, and of all the issues that I read about here, this is the only
one that really scares me.  It seems to keep happening to others over and
over again, and I know that if it happens to my lists, my users are going
to be very upset.

   Has it been reasonably established that the file lock is a/an/the cause
   of or contributor to this issue?  Has anyone managed to successfully
   correct the problem?

Until today, I would have guessed that the usual cause was a bug in
Sendmail.py involving "." quoting.  At least one recent victim seemed to
solve his problem by switching to SMTPDirect.

   Anyone working on leads?  Any proposed fixes in the future 2.1?

The locking is supposed to work better in 2.1, so that might eliminate this
possible cause...

But rather than speculate, it would be nice to have something definitive
from someone who Really Knows that provides some perspective on this
seemingly common problem.




From perrot at fluxus.net  Fri Aug 10 09:44:50 2001
From: perrot at fluxus.net (Gildas PERROT)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:44:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to get a web interface for a search on several months (or period) of archives ?
Message-ID: 

Hi,

Does that very useful functionnality exist or is it expected ?

Thanks in advance.

Gildas.
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From alexh at synapseglobal.com  Fri Aug 10 19:34:02 2001
From: alexh at synapseglobal.com (Alex Hathaway)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:34:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist and virtual domains
References: <200108101030210420.09F4ECE4@synapseglobal.com>
Message-ID: <200108101034020220.09F84B69@synapseglobal.com>

Just got the hang of setting up mailman for qmail and all that fun stuff.

Now I'm curious.. Lets say my domain name is rebel.com. I login, run newlist and add a list for a user who has their own domain name (lets say merc.com) .. 

The GetURL functions seem to all return information relevant to my domain name. 

Is there and quick and painless way of ensuring that the email newlist generates uses merc.com instead of my domain name?

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From brower at bu.edu  Fri Aug 10 20:18:01 2001
From: brower at bu.edu (Rich Brower)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:18:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Stupid Test Messages
Message-ID: <3B742559.F81A1966@bu.edu>

All,

I am setting up a new arhive and I would like to remove a few "test
messages" so that I have
a clean start.

Is there anyway of me  (the administrator) to delete a message that
I have posted?

Rich Brower




From nixx at hosting2000.com  Fri Aug 10 20:30:35 2001
From: nixx at hosting2000.com (SirCode)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:30:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist and virtual domains
References: <200108101030210420.09F4ECE4@synapseglobal.com>
 <200108101034020220.09F84B69@synapseglobal.com>
Message-ID: <200108101130350020.0A2C1299@hosting2000.com>

Just got the hang of setting up mailman for qmail and all that fun stuff.

Now I'm curious.. Lets say my domain name is rebel.com. I login, run newlist and add a list for a user who has their own domain name (lets say merc.com) .. 

The GetURL functions seem to all return information relevant to my domain name. 

Is there and quick and painless way of ensuring that the email newlist generates uses merc.com instead of my domain name?

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From nixx at hosting2000.com  Fri Aug 10 20:46:14 2001
From: nixx at hosting2000.com (SirCode)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:46:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newlist and virtual domains
References: <200108101030210420.09F4ECE4@synapseglobal.com>
 <200108101034020220.09F84B69@synapseglobal.com>
 <200108101130350020.0A2C1299@hosting2000.com>
Message-ID: <200108101146140900.0A3A6A9C@hosting2000.com>

Just got the hang of setting up mailman for qmail and all that fun stuff.

Now I'm curious.. Lets say my domain name is rebel.com. I login, run newlist and add a list for a user who has their own domain name (lets say merc.com) .. 

The GetURL functions seem to all return information relevant to my domain name. 

Is there and quick and painless way of ensuring that the email newlist generates uses merc.com instead of my domain name?

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From david at midrange.com  Fri Aug 10 20:59:34 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:59:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing rejection messages?
Message-ID: <200108101859.f7AIxZV23417@linux.midrange.com>

Folks:

Is it possible to change the text of the rejection messages so that
they are standard?

I've found the actual text in one of the python modules, but I'd
rather not change the code.  

Can the text be over-ridden using mm_cfg.py?

Thanks!

david




From nixx at hosting2000.com  Fri Aug 10 20:50:51 2001
From: nixx at hosting2000.com (SirCode)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:50:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eeek Sorry Guys
Message-ID: <200108101150510620.0A3EA3AF@hosting2000.com>

Sorry about the dupe posting guys, new mailer and it seems to have had a tissy with my date..

-Lexx

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From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Aug 10 20:55:17 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:55:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords are mandatory?? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Maxim Derkachev  
   of "Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:46:21 +0400." <449254256.20010806134621@books.ru> 
References: <449254256.20010806134621@books.ru> 
Message-ID: <25484.997469717@2wire.com>

On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:46:21 +0400 
Maxim Derkachev  wrote:

> Hello all.  Is there a possibility to turn off passwords for
> mailman list members?  

Not currently.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Aug 10 20:57:36 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:57:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove list ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from LE Van Dong  
   of "Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:13:20 +0200."  
References:  
Message-ID: <25539.997469856@2wire.com>

> How can i remove mailing list with name x&y Thanks.

rm -rf ~/lists/x\&y

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From tania_r76 at starmedia.com  Fri Aug 10 20:58:54 2001
From: tania_r76 at starmedia.com (Tania Rodriguez)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:58:54 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spanish Mailman
Message-ID: <20010810185854.ECZ12686.fep01-svc.starmedia.com@webmail.starmedia.com>

Hi there!

This is basically to all those spanish speaking people here. Days ago I installed Mailman-2.0.5 I was looking for a spanish version to Mailman but I think there isn't any available yet.... if there is, please let me know :)

Anyway.. I've seen in other mailing lists which are run in spanish speaking countries that some parts of the Mailman web interface are in spanish... even the welcome message is in spanish. 

My question here is: Did every system administrator have to do this translation??.. or is there a "template" I can use to have this parts in spanish ???

Thanks in advance for any help!

Tania Rodriguez.

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From claw at 2wire.com  Fri Aug 10 20:59:53 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:59:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to get a web interface for a search on several months (or period) of archives ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Gildas PERROT"  
   of "Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:44:50 +0200."  
References:  
Message-ID: <25578.997469993@2wire.com>

On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:44:50 +0200 
Gildas PERROT  wrote:

> Does that very useful functionnality exist 

Not currently.  Its also not currently planned.  Care to submit a patch?

> ... or is it expected ?

I like and use an external indexer (MnoGoSearch).

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J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 10 21:07:28 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:07:28 -0400
Subject: Fw: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem to create list 2.1a2
In-Reply-To: <20010810150554.3cd2235f.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>; from rodolfo@linux.org.uy on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 03:05:54PM -0300
References: <20010810142406.21c71476.rodolfo@linux.org.uy> <20010810133308.A1006@mems-exchange.org> <20010810150554.3cd2235f.rodolfo@linux.org.uy>
Message-ID: <20010810150728.A1485@mems-exchange.org>

On 10 August 2001, Rodolfo Pilas said:
> guru /home/rodolfo> python -V
> Python 2.0
[...]
> Mailman 2.1a2 (because I wish the Spanish translation!)

OK, good: time.ctime() changed in Python 2.1 (I just checked the Python
CVS).  So if Mailman 2.1 is supposed to work on Python 2.0,
congratulations: you have found a bug in MTA/Postfix.py.  The fix is
easy:

--- Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py.orig Tue Jul 10 08:16:53 2001
+++ Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py      Fri Aug 10 15:06:06 2001
@@ -90,3 +90,3 @@
     print >> fp, '# STANZA START:', listname
-    print >> fp, '# CREATED:', time.ctime()
+    print >> fp, '# CREATED:', time.ctime(time.time())
     # Now add all the standard alias entries

(Barry, are you listening?  ;-)

If Mailman 2.1 does *not* support Python 2.0, you'll have to upgrade
to Python 2.1.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 10 21:11:45 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:11:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting Stupid Test Messages
In-Reply-To: <3B742559.F81A1966@bu.edu>; from brower@bu.edu on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 02:18:01PM -0400
References: <3B742559.F81A1966@bu.edu>
Message-ID: <20010810151145.B1485@mems-exchange.org>

On 10 August 2001, Rich Brower said:
> I am setting up a new arhive and I would like to remove a few "test
> messages" so that I have
> a clean start.

Apparently, it's OK to edit the "mbox" file containing the raw archive,
and regenerate the archive.  Eg.
  cd ~mailman
  cat < /dev/null > archives/private/test.mbox/test.mbox
  ./bin/(whatever-the-incantation-to-regenerate-the-archive-is)

        Greg



From mike at bridgecanada.com  Fri Aug 10 22:19:56 2001
From: mike at bridgecanada.com (Mike Bridge)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:19:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain: Failure to exec script... GOT gid 65535
Message-ID: <20010810141956.A6041@bridgecanada.com>

Hi-

I have a problem running mailman 2.0.6 on a Redhat Linux 7.0 machine.
I'm running sendmail 8.11.0 and linuxconf 1.24r5's version of
vdeliver.  I am using a "virtual" domain to receive the messages.
I have configured mailman to use mail's gid as per the instructions, 
because this is what sendmail uses.

I can subscribe myself to the mailing list and I receive the message 
ok.  However, when I post to the list, I get:  

  Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535.  (Reconfigure to take 65535?)

I don't want to reconfigure to use 65535 because that sounds insecure,
and it would break a mailing list using the non-virtual domain (which works
fine).  There is a closed bug report here, but it doesn't give any info
on how to solve it:

  http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&aid=211347&func=detail

Hers is my delivery agent configuration:

  # Special mailer for virtual email domain hosting
  Mvirtual,       P=/usr/lib/linuxconf/lib/vdeliver, F=lsDFMShP, S=10, R=20/40,
                  A=vdeliver $u $h

I understand the F=S is supposed to set the "effective gid" to the gid of 
the parent sendmail process.

I also see that there is another closed bug at

  http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=214154

which mentions the egid vs. gid problem....  I dunno exactly whether this
is what causes this.

There are lots of posts from a year or so ago on the mailing lists 
about this issue, but with no solutions.  Has anyone figured out
how to solve it?

Thanks for any help!

-Mike

-- 
Mike Bridge 




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 10 22:22:39 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:22:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message posting difficulty
In-Reply-To: ; from jonathanm@alphasoftservices.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 02:37:42PM -0700
References: 
Message-ID: <20010810162239.A2360@mems-exchange.org>

On 07 August 2001, Jonathan Matheny said:
> I seem to have run into a snag.  
> 
> On messages sent to listmembers, having the name of the poster in the from
> field, but the list address as the e-mail address of the poster.

Please show headers from an example message.  Also, explain exactly what
you expected to see and exactly what's wrong.  And it couldn't hurt to
tell us which Mailman version you're running, which Python version, what
MTA you're using (and its version), and what OS you're using.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 10 22:23:32 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:23:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove list ?
In-Reply-To: ; from dong@csoma.elte.hu on Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 04:13:20PM +0200
References: <7476.997269703@www25.gmx.net> 
Message-ID: <20010810162332.B2360@mems-exchange.org>

On 08 August 2001, LE Van Dong said:
> How can i remove mailing list with name  x&y
[...]
> PS : rm_list x\&y ["x&y",'x&y' ...] not working !

*How* is it not working?  Please show us an exact excerpt from the shell
session where you tried this command.

Also, which Mailman version, which OS, etc. would be useful.

        Greg



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Aug 10 22:33:03 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 13:33:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain: Failure to exec script... GOT gid 
 65535
References: <20010810141956.A6041@bridgecanada.com>
Message-ID: <3B7444FF.77D47336@auntminnie.com>

Hi Mike...

Who/what is holding GID 65535? That might tell something useful...

=)
Amanda


Mike Bridge wrote:

> Hi-
>
> I have a problem running mailman 2.0.6 on a Redhat Linux 7.0 machine.
> I'm running sendmail 8.11.0 and linuxconf 1.24r5's version of
> vdeliver.  I am using a "virtual" domain to receive the messages.
> I have configured mailman to use mail's gid as per the instructions,
> because this is what sendmail uses.
>
> I can subscribe myself to the mailing list and I receive the message
> ok.  However, when I post to the list, I get:
>
>   Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535.  (Reconfigure to take 65535?)
>
> I don't want to reconfigure to use 65535 because that sounds insecure,
> and it would break a mailing list using the non-virtual domain (which works
> fine).  There is a closed bug report here, but it doesn't give any info
> on how to solve it:
>
>   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&aid=211347&func=detail
>
> Hers is my delivery agent configuration:
>
>   # Special mailer for virtual email domain hosting
>   Mvirtual,       P=/usr/lib/linuxconf/lib/vdeliver, F=lsDFMShP, S=10, R=20/40,
>                   A=vdeliver $u $h
>
> I understand the F=S is supposed to set the "effective gid" to the gid of
> the parent sendmail process.
>
> I also see that there is another closed bug at
>
>   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=214154
>
> which mentions the egid vs. gid problem....  I dunno exactly whether this
> is what causes this.
>
> There are lots of posts from a year or so ago on the mailing lists
> about this issue, but with no solutions.  Has anyone figured out
> how to solve it?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> -Mike
>
> --
> Mike Bridge
> 
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From mike at bridgecanada.com  Fri Aug 10 22:39:32 2001
From: mike at bridgecanada.com (Mike Bridge)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:39:32 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain: Failure to exec script... GOT gid 65535
In-Reply-To: <3B7444FF.77D47336@auntminnie.com>; from arandall@auntminnie.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:33:03PM -0700
References: <20010810141956.A6041@bridgecanada.com> <3B7444FF.77D47336@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <20010810143932.B1166@bridgecanada.com>

Hi Amanda,

There isn't any group with GID 65535, strangely enough.  I don't
know where that value is coming from....  It's almost as if sendmail
is invoking vdeliver with that gid.  Or vdeliver is invoking
mailman with that gid....

-Mike


On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:33:03PM -0700, Amanda wrote:
> Hi Mike...
> 
> Who/what is holding GID 65535? That might tell something useful...
> 
> =)
> Amanda
> 
> 
> Mike Bridge wrote:
> 
> > Hi-
> >
> > I have a problem running mailman 2.0.6 on a Redhat Linux 7.0 machine.
> > I'm running sendmail 8.11.0 and linuxconf 1.24r5's version of
> > vdeliver.  I am using a "virtual" domain to receive the messages.
> > I have configured mailman to use mail's gid as per the instructions,
> > because this is what sendmail uses.
> >
> > I can subscribe myself to the mailing list and I receive the message
> > ok.  However, when I post to the list, I get:
> >
> >   Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535.  (Reconfigure to take 65535?)
> >
> > I don't want to reconfigure to use 65535 because that sounds insecure,
> > and it would break a mailing list using the non-virtual domain (which works
> > fine).  There is a closed bug report here, but it doesn't give any info
> > on how to solve it:
> >
> >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&aid=211347&func=detail
> >
> > Hers is my delivery agent configuration:
> >
> >   # Special mailer for virtual email domain hosting
> >   Mvirtual,       P=/usr/lib/linuxconf/lib/vdeliver, F=lsDFMShP, S=10, R=20/40,
> >                   A=vdeliver $u $h
> >
> > I understand the F=S is supposed to set the "effective gid" to the gid of
> > the parent sendmail process.
> >
> > I also see that there is another closed bug at
> >
> >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=214154
> >
> > which mentions the egid vs. gid problem....  I dunno exactly whether this
> > is what causes this.
> >
> > There are lots of posts from a year or so ago on the mailing lists
> > about this issue, but with no solutions.  Has anyone figured out
> > how to solve it?
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > --
> > Mike Bridge
> > 
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Mike Bridge 




From mike at bridgecanada.com  Fri Aug 10 23:51:56 2001
From: mike at bridgecanada.com (Mike Bridge)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:51:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain: Failure to exec script... GOT gid 65535
In-Reply-To: <3B7444FF.77D47336@auntminnie.com>; from arandall@auntminnie.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:33:03PM -0700
References: <20010810141956.A6041@bridgecanada.com> <3B7444FF.77D47336@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <20010810155156.A2683@bridgecanada.com>

Ah, I think I see where it's getting set.  In the "vdeliver.cc" that
comes with linuxconf (http://www.solucorp.qc.ca) there are 
a couple lines that say:

	setgid (65535);
	setuid (65535);

However, I tried setting these by hand to the uid and gid of
mail, but this doesn't work (it thought it was running as ROOT,
which is not a good thing :)

-Mike



On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:33:03PM -0700, Amanda wrote:
> Hi Mike...
> 
> Who/what is holding GID 65535? That might tell something useful...
> 
> =)
> Amanda
> 
> 
> Mike Bridge wrote:
> 
> > Hi-
> >
> > I have a problem running mailman 2.0.6 on a Redhat Linux 7.0 machine.
> > I'm running sendmail 8.11.0 and linuxconf 1.24r5's version of
> > vdeliver.  I am using a "virtual" domain to receive the messages.
> > I have configured mailman to use mail's gid as per the instructions,
> > because this is what sendmail uses.
> >
> > I can subscribe myself to the mailing list and I receive the message
> > ok.  However, when I post to the list, I get:
> >
> >   Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535.  (Reconfigure to take 65535?)
> >
> > I don't want to reconfigure to use 65535 because that sounds insecure,
> > and it would break a mailing list using the non-virtual domain (which works
> > fine).  There is a closed bug report here, but it doesn't give any info
> > on how to solve it:
> >
> >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&aid=211347&func=detail
> >
> > Hers is my delivery agent configuration:
> >
> >   # Special mailer for virtual email domain hosting
> >   Mvirtual,       P=/usr/lib/linuxconf/lib/vdeliver, F=lsDFMShP, S=10, R=20/40,
> >                   A=vdeliver $u $h
> >
> > I understand the F=S is supposed to set the "effective gid" to the gid of
> > the parent sendmail process.
> >
> > I also see that there is another closed bug at
> >
> >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=214154
> >
> > which mentions the egid vs. gid problem....  I dunno exactly whether this
> > is what causes this.
> >
> > There are lots of posts from a year or so ago on the mailing lists
> > about this issue, but with no solutions.  Has anyone figured out
> > how to solve it?
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > --
> > Mike Bridge
> > 
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Mike Bridge 




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 10 23:55:09 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:55:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Latin 1 characters
In-Reply-To: ; from pearu@cens.ioc.ee on Thu, Aug 09, 2001 at 05:46:28PM +0200
References: 
Message-ID: <20010810175508.C2360@mems-exchange.org>

On 09 August 2001, Pearu Peterson said:
> I have noticed that latin 1 (or rather non US ascii) characters are mapped
> to 3-strings starting with = character when messages are shown in the
> Mailman archive. For example,
> 
> TeX repr. -> Mailman (?) translation
> \~o -> =F5
> \~O -> =D5

That's called "quoted-printable" encoding.  Certain mail clients
emanating from a place called Redmond are believed to perpetrate this
encoding on the world.  IOW, it might not be Mailman's fault.

To find out, look in the mbox file for the appropriate list, eg.
  ~mailman/archives/{private,public}/foo.mbox/foo.mbox
for the "foo" list.  Look for messages with "=XX" in them.  See if those
messages have a "Content-encoding: quoted-printable" (or something like
that, I can't remember the exact spelling) header.

If so, then the originating mail client is doing the right thing, and
whoever renders the mail for the web (*probably* Pipermail, but I'm not
certain of this) is at fault -- it should probably undo the "=XX"
characters and turn them either back into Latin-1 (or whatever), or turn
them into HTML é thingies.  I *think* the former is more
appropriate if all you know is the encoding; if you also know the
character set, it gets trickier.

If there is no mention of "quoted-printable" in the header, somebody's
mail client is broken.  Dunno what to do then.

        Greg



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Sat Aug 11 00:00:28 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:00:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain: Failure to exec script... GOT gid 
 65535
References: <20010810141956.A6041@bridgecanada.com> <3B7444FF.77D47336@auntminnie.com> <20010810155156.A2683@bridgecanada.com>
Message-ID: <3B74597C.ECAABB7E@auntminnie.com>

Blargh. I've had my share of ugly UID/GID tangles, but that's a new one on me...  May I recommend a large, heavy,
blunt object for percussive maintenance? (Some things just have to be beated into submission.)

=)
Amanda


Mike Bridge wrote:

> Ah, I think I see where it's getting set.  In the "vdeliver.cc" that
> comes with linuxconf (http://www.solucorp.qc.ca) there are
> a couple lines that say:
>
>         setgid (65535);
>         setuid (65535);
>
> However, I tried setting these by hand to the uid and gid of
> mail, but this doesn't work (it thought it was running as ROOT,
> which is not a good thing :)
>
> -Mike
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:33:03PM -0700, Amanda wrote:
> > Hi Mike...
> >
> > Who/what is holding GID 65535? That might tell something useful...
> >
> > =)
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> > Mike Bridge wrote:
> >
> > > Hi-
> > >
> > > I have a problem running mailman 2.0.6 on a Redhat Linux 7.0 machine.
> > > I'm running sendmail 8.11.0 and linuxconf 1.24r5's version of
> > > vdeliver.  I am using a "virtual" domain to receive the messages.
> > > I have configured mailman to use mail's gid as per the instructions,
> > > because this is what sendmail uses.
> > >
> > > I can subscribe myself to the mailing list and I receive the message
> > > ok.  However, when I post to the list, I get:
> > >
> > >   Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535.  (Reconfigure to take 65535?)
> > >
> > > I don't want to reconfigure to use 65535 because that sounds insecure,
> > > and it would break a mailing list using the non-virtual domain (which works
> > > fine).  There is a closed bug report here, but it doesn't give any info
> > > on how to solve it:
> > >
> > >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&aid=211347&func=detail
> > >
> > > Hers is my delivery agent configuration:
> > >
> > >   # Special mailer for virtual email domain hosting
> > >   Mvirtual,       P=/usr/lib/linuxconf/lib/vdeliver, F=lsDFMShP, S=10, R=20/40,
> > >                   A=vdeliver $u $h
> > >
> > > I understand the F=S is supposed to set the "effective gid" to the gid of
> > > the parent sendmail process.
> > >
> > > I also see that there is another closed bug at
> > >
> > >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=214154
> > >
> > > which mentions the egid vs. gid problem....  I dunno exactly whether this
> > > is what causes this.
> > >
> > > There are lots of posts from a year or so ago on the mailing lists
> > > about this issue, but with no solutions.  Has anyone figured out
> > > how to solve it?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help!
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike Bridge
> > > 
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> --
> Mike Bridge
> 
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From mike at bridgecanada.com  Sat Aug 11 00:18:03 2001
From: mike at bridgecanada.com (Mike Bridge)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 16:18:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain: Failure to exec script... GOT gid 65535
In-Reply-To: <3B74597C.ECAABB7E@auntminnie.com>; from arandall@auntminnie.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 03:00:28PM -0700
References: <20010810141956.A6041@bridgecanada.com> <3B7444FF.77D47336@auntminnie.com> <20010810155156.A2683@bridgecanada.com> <3B74597C.ECAABB7E@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <20010810161803.A2763@bridgecanada.com>

Oops, evidently I screwed it up the first time I tried to patch it.
Once I set this manually and overwrote it, it started working.

I guess that makes me happy, but I *was* all ready with my
large wooden computer-smashing club.

-Mike



On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 03:00:28PM -0700, Amanda wrote:
> Blargh. I've had my share of ugly UID/GID tangles, but that's a new one on me...  May I recommend a large, heavy,
> blunt object for percussive maintenance? (Some things just have to be beated into submission.)
> 
> =)
> Amanda
> 
> 
> Mike Bridge wrote:
> 
> > Ah, I think I see where it's getting set.  In the "vdeliver.cc" that
> > comes with linuxconf (http://www.solucorp.qc.ca) there are
> > a couple lines that say:
> >
> >         setgid (65535);
> >         setuid (65535);
> >
> > However, I tried setting these by hand to the uid and gid of
> > mail, but this doesn't work (it thought it was running as ROOT,
> > which is not a good thing :)
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 01:33:03PM -0700, Amanda wrote:
> > > Hi Mike...
> > >
> > > Who/what is holding GID 65535? That might tell something useful...
> > >
> > > =)
> > > Amanda
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike Bridge wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi-
> > > >
> > > > I have a problem running mailman 2.0.6 on a Redhat Linux 7.0 machine.
> > > > I'm running sendmail 8.11.0 and linuxconf 1.24r5's version of
> > > > vdeliver.  I am using a "virtual" domain to receive the messages.
> > > > I have configured mailman to use mail's gid as per the instructions,
> > > > because this is what sendmail uses.
> > > >
> > > > I can subscribe myself to the mailing list and I receive the message
> > > > ok.  However, when I post to the list, I get:
> > > >
> > > >   Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535.  (Reconfigure to take 65535?)
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to reconfigure to use 65535 because that sounds insecure,
> > > > and it would break a mailing list using the non-virtual domain (which works
> > > > fine).  There is a closed bug report here, but it doesn't give any info
> > > > on how to solve it:
> > > >
> > > >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&aid=211347&func=detail
> > > >
> > > > Hers is my delivery agent configuration:
> > > >
> > > >   # Special mailer for virtual email domain hosting
> > > >   Mvirtual,       P=/usr/lib/linuxconf/lib/vdeliver, F=lsDFMShP, S=10, R=20/40,
> > > >                   A=vdeliver $u $h
> > > >
> > > > I understand the F=S is supposed to set the "effective gid" to the gid of
> > > > the parent sendmail process.
> > > >
> > > > I also see that there is another closed bug at
> > > >
> > > >   http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103&func=detail&aid=214154
> > > >
> > > > which mentions the egid vs. gid problem....  I dunno exactly whether this
> > > > is what causes this.
> > > >
> > > > There are lots of posts from a year or so ago on the mailing lists
> > > > about this issue, but with no solutions.  Has anyone figured out
> > > > how to solve it?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any help!
> > > >
> > > > -Mike
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mike Bridge
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> > --
> > Mike Bridge
> > 
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Mike Bridge 




From brett at csepp.net  Sat Aug 11 00:36:04 2001
From: brett at csepp.net (Brett Mueller)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install fails on Linux Sparc64
Message-ID: <3B7461D4.924AE069@csepp.net>

Hi,

I've successfully installed and run Mailman from several different Linux
machines, but I've run into a new snag that *may* be an architecture-specific
problem.  The configure script runs through just fine, and the "make install"
command goes for awhile before it terminates with "OverflowError: math range
error".  The kernel is 2.4.5, and the machine is an UltraSPARC.  Is this
problem related to an arithmetic call that is handled differently in sparc64
versus i386?  If so, is there some tweaking that I can do to overcome this?  If
not, is it perhaps a problem with my Python installation?

For what it's worth, Python = 2.0, gcc = egcs-2.91.66.  Distribution is
Slackware 7.2...  The last lines from "make install" are at the end of this
message.

Any help much appreciated,

Brett

...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 31, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ?
    import random
  File "/usr/lib/python2.0/random.py", line 84, in ?
    NV_MAGICCONST = 4*exp(-0.5)/sqrt(2.0)
OverflowError: math range error



From m.korthaus at macnews.de  Sat Aug 11 01:37:42 2001
From: m.korthaus at macnews.de (Marc Korthaus)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 01:37:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big trrouble with pending requests...
Message-ID: 

Hello alltogether,

I got a really big problem with my new mailman installation we are 
using on our site (Mailman 2.1a2 on SuSE Linux - Python 2.1, 
Postfix). We currently run around 60 lists and nearly all are working 
(despite some smaller problems) as they should: Just tow of them are 
in real trouble:

The first has around 5.000 subscribers and my "pending requests" does 
not load in the browser - It seems to load more than a few thousands 
request, which seems to be bounced mails - I thought Mailman handle 
these bounces on its own, why I have to handle these bounces all on 
the web interface.

Or: Does I got something wrong? Please help...
-- 



Marc Korthaus
macnews.de

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From ryan at p11.com  Sat Aug 11 02:01:50 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:01:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription Confirmation Not Working?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <000801c121f8$d204f1f0$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

Okay, I think I've gotten all the right parameters compiled into
mailman, as postfix is no longer generating errors about gid.  The
problem is, it's not generating anything at all.  I've setup a list, it
sends the confirmation and I try to subscribe myself to test it.  It
sends the request for confirmation, so I reply.  Then nothing.  What was
once the moment of uncertainity where I would receive an error about an
incorrect GID, now there is nothing.  Nothing but what the
/var/mail/maillog reports:

Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/smtpd[13411]: connect from
7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]
Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/smtpd[13411]: 4E03915E:
client=7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]
Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/cleanup[13412]: 4E03915E:
message-id=<000701c121f7$f9c8ce10$0701a8c0 at rcreasey01>
Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/qmgr[13353]: 4E03915E:
from=, size=775, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/local[13413]: 4E03915E:
to=, relay=local, delay=0,
status=sent("|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dcms")
Aug 10 16:55:36 sakaki postfix/smtpd[13411]: disconnect from
7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]

Any suggestions?

- Ryan




From ryan at p11.com  Sat Aug 11 02:13:42 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:13:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription Confirmation Not Working?
In-Reply-To: <000801c121f8$d204f1f0$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>
Message-ID: <000b01c121fa$7ad16b50$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

Disregard, it appears that I forgot to setup my cron processes...
::sheepishly grins::

- Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Creasey
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 5:02 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription Confirmation Not Working?


Okay, I think I've gotten all the right parameters compiled into
mailman, as postfix is no longer generating errors about gid.  The
problem is, it's not generating anything at all.  I've setup a list, it
sends the confirmation and I try to subscribe myself to test it.  It
sends the request for confirmation, so I reply.  Then nothing.  What was
once the moment of uncertainity where I would receive an error about an
incorrect GID, now there is nothing.  Nothing but what the
/var/mail/maillog reports:

Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/smtpd[13411]: connect from
7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7] Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki
postfix/smtpd[13411]: 4E03915E: client=7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]
Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/cleanup[13412]: 4E03915E:
message-id=<000701c121f7$f9c8ce10$0701a8c0 at rcreasey01>
Aug 10 16:55:33 sakaki postfix/qmgr[13353]: 4E03915E:
from=, size=775, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Aug 10 16:55:33
sakaki postfix/local[13413]: 4E03915E: to=,
relay=local, delay=0, status=sent("|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper
mailcmd dcms") Aug 10 16:55:36 sakaki postfix/smtpd[13411]: disconnect
from 7.office.p11.com[192.168.1.7]

Any suggestions?

- Ryan


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sat Aug 11 11:28:50 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:28:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question
In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20010807190120.02c2d8c0@209.238.153.233>
References: <4.3.1.0.20010807190120.02c2d8c0@209.238.153.233>
Message-ID: <20010811112850.1aa742a9.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:03:32 -0700
Shekar Pasumarthi  wrote:

> I am trying to remove a list. I see a rmlist command in the bin
> directory, 
> but I keep getting the following error...
>   bin/rmlist bench
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "bin/rmlist", line 44, in ?
>      from Mailman import mm_cfg
> ImportError: No module named Mailman

Please try it again as user mailman ('su mailman' if you're root)

Kinda weird though, I regularly do ~mailman/bin/remove_member as root w/o
problem (though I'm not sure if it's advisable... it could be that the
root permission messes up some permissions)

Regards,

Ricardo



From highlander at engsoc.queensu.ca  Sat Aug 11 16:01:01 2001
From: highlander at engsoc.queensu.ca (Ian MacLeod)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:01:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade and loss of archives/addresses
Message-ID: 

Hello everyone,

I have a problem I hoped someone with more understanding of 'exactly' how
mailman works can help me.  We were having problems with an old version of
the software, so I upgraded, right on top with version 2.0.5

When i loaded it up, I had NO mailing lists, although we did have at least
a dozen before the upgrade.  I've re-added the lists, but there are still
no messages in the archives.

I may have a backup somewhere of my old /usr/lib/mailman folder

Where are the list archives stored..  What kind of format are they
in.  How about the subscribers, where are they stored?

Thanks in advance for everyone's help, I'm sure I can fix this somehow.

-Ian




From nadler at optushome.com.au  Sun Aug 12 14:22:56 2001
From: nadler at optushome.com.au (Joseph Nadler)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:22:56 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list?
Message-ID: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au>

This may be really obvious, but how do I wipe a list from the face of the
earth, users, archieves and all?

-Joe




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sun Aug 12 14:38:39 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:38:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list?
In-Reply-To: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au>
References: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <20010812143839.19d3fd0c.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:22:56 +1000
"Joseph Nadler"  wrote:

> This may be really obvious, but how do I wipe a list from the face of
> the
> earth, users, archieves and all?

~mailman/bin/rmlist is your friend.

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From david at midrange.com  Sun Aug 12 14:41:16 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 07:41:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list?
In-Reply-To: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au
 >
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010812074053.0275d748@linux.midrange.com>

At 07:22 AM 8/12/2001, Joseph Nadler wrote:
>This may be really obvious, but how do I wipe a list from the face of the
>earth, users, archieves and all?

rmlist -a 

david



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From m.korthaus at macnews.de  Sun Aug 12 23:10:19 2001
From: m.korthaus at macnews.de (Marc Korthaus)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:10:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Did I found a huge bug in Mailman 2.1a2?
Message-ID: 

Hello alltogether,

I worked all the past 5 days on our new mailinglist server based on 
Mailman 2.1a2 and it seems I found a bug in the new version: If you 
activate

"Send mail to poster when their posting is held for approval?" to "Yes"

you will run into an ugly loop which comes from the new mailman 
daemon introduced in 2.1a2. The incoming mail got placed by our 
wrapper into "~mailman/qfiles/in/" where the daemon will grap it and 
write the file into ~mailman/data and puts the request into the 
"requests.db" of the appropiate mailinglist, after this, he deletes 
the request from "~mailman/qfiles/in/" - right?

Here we go: If you activated the "Send mail to poster when their 
posting is held for approval?"-option the daemon doesn?t deletes the 
requests from "~mailman/qfiles/in/" which produces an awfull loop, 
because the request will be stored over and over again into the 
data-directory and in the requests.db. Playing this game, I had to 
manage more than 10.000 requests - to much for my machine, which got 
bogged down.

However, after 3 days of testing I found this as "solution".  Now I?m 
quite more happy...

CU,
-- 



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macnews.de

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From valtd at mindspring.com  Sun Aug 12 23:24:41 2001
From: valtd at mindspring.com (Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:24:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A TRILLION QUESTIONS, CAN YOU PLEASE HELP?
References: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au>
Message-ID: <002c01c12375$340875c0$a2e5aec7@oluseguo>

        Dear List Members:

I have just SET UP a mailing list for BLIND ENTREPRENEURS on my server.  However, I am running into a few problems with respect to configuration.  For ease of reference, I shall number the questions:

1.  I want POSTINGS from mailing list members TO go directly TO THE LIST WITHOUT MODERATOR'S APPROVAL.  hOW CAN i HAVE mAILMAN DO THIS?
2.  i HAVE THE MAILING LIST ADDRESS AS FOLLOWS:  BLIND-ENTREP ... IT DOES APPEAR THAT mAILMAN does not LIKE THIS FORM OF ADDRESSING SCHEME.  iT KEEPS SETTING IT AS BLINDENTREP.  dOES mAILMAN NOT PERMIT THE USE OF DASHES AND UNDERLINE?
3.  hOW CAN i SET UP A spam filter?  fOR EXAMPLE, i do not WANT POSTINGS FROM A non subscriber GETTING TO THE list.  And I am thinking the USE OF A SPAM FILTER is the best way to go.  What say you all on this one?
4.  I would like the subject header to be preceded by [blind-entrep]:  Can this be done with Mailman?
5.  Does Mailman SUPPORT nomail like Majordomo and List Serve does?

I am sure I have a zillion more questions, but will lay off for now till I read from someone out there.  Many thanks for anticipated help!!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Nadler" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 6:22 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing a list?


> This may be really obvious, but how do I wipe a list from the face of the
> earth, users, archieves and all?
> 
> -Joe
> 
> 
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From rob at prometheusmedia.com  Mon Aug 13 00:55:20 2001
From: rob at prometheusmedia.com (Robert Brandtjen)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A TRILLION QUESTIONS,
	CAN YOU PLEASE HELP?
In-Reply-To: <002c01c12375$340875c0$a2e5aec7@oluseguo>
Message-ID: 

on 8/12/01 4:24 PM, Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan at
valtd at mindspring.com wrote:

>       Dear List Members:

No!

:-)

Only one question at a time........

:-0

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From sgeiger at ncee.net  Mon Aug 13 01:11:27 2001
From: sgeiger at ncee.net (Shane Geiger)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:11:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple language support
Message-ID: 

What is the current state of support for other languages?  I have a need for
a list in Russian.  I would be glad to give Russian translations to the
mailman project if the software now supports that feature.

Thanks.

Shane Geiger
System and Database Administrator
National Council on Economic Education




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Mon Aug 13 07:19:50 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing archive pages...
Message-ID: 

Is it possible to customize the HTML of the _archive_ pages? I know that
MHonArc has this capability:

  http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/layout.html

...but the Mailman documentation only refers to "[Editing] the HTML for
the public list pages." i.e.,

  The general list information page
  The subscriptions results page
  The user specific options page
  The changing user options results page

-- 
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From louiza at home.com  Mon Aug 13 07:47:38 2001
From: louiza at home.com (Louiza)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:47:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam-specific filter question
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have a discussion list of about 200 members. Reply to posts is set 
to go to "This List". I have a list of 169 addresses that are 
accepted to post. I am worried that I am misunderstanding this 
setting in the "spam-specific filters area":

"Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting."

Would someone please tell me if I am misunderstanding this setting, 
and if I am, would you please explain it to me. I have read the 
explanation in the manual already, many times.

I think this setting has to do with limiting the number of 
cross-posts that a member can make; in other words, they address 
their post to my list, crimson at halfmoon.com, and to 
orange at riverrun.com, and to blue at smallake.com. So if the ceiling is 
set to "3", they are only allowed to cross-post to three lists. Is 
this wrong?

Thanks!

Louiza



From valtd at mindspring.com  Mon Aug 13 15:48:27 2001
From: valtd at mindspring.com (Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:48:27 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU PLEASE HELP?
References: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au> <002c01c12375$340875c0$a2e5aec7@oluseguo>
Message-ID: <001601c123fe$a28253c0$59e5aec7@oluseguo>

        Dear List Members:

I have just SET UP a mailing list for BLIND ENTREPRENEURS on my server.  However, I am running into a few problems with respect to configuration.  

I want POSTINGS from mailing list members TO go directly TO THE LIST WITHOUT MODERATOR'S APPROVAL.  how CAN i HAVE mailman DO this?




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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Mon Aug 13 16:28:08 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:28:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU P
	LEASE HELP?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A15D@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan
> 
> I want POSTINGS from mailing list members TO go directly TO 
> THE LIST WITHOUT MODERATOR'S APPROVAL.  how CAN i HAVE 
> mailman DO this?

Check this documentation
http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

Under Posting Priviledges Explained is what you are looking for...
And I suppose you will find answers to more questions there...

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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Mon Aug 13 16:33:47 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:33:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A TRILLION QUESTIONS, CA
	N YOU PLEASE HELP?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A15E@NETIVITY-FS>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan
> 
> 1.  I want POSTINGS from mailing list members TO go directly 
> TO THE LIST WITHOUT MODERATOR'S APPROVAL.  hOW CAN i HAVE 
> mAILMAN DO THIS?

See http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

> 2.  i HAVE THE MAILING LIST ADDRESS AS FOLLOWS:  BLIND-ENTREP 
> ... IT DOES APPEAR THAT mAILMAN does not LIKE THIS FORM OF 
> ADDRESSING SCHEME.  iT KEEPS SETTING IT AS BLINDENTREP.  dOES 
> mAILMAN NOT PERMIT THE USE OF DASHES AND UNDERLINE?

Mailman does allow that... at least the version (2.0.5) I am used to.

> 3.  hOW CAN i SET UP A spam filter?  fOR EXAMPLE, i do not 
> WANT POSTINGS FROM A non subscriber GETTING TO THE list.  And 
> I am thinking the USE OF A SPAM FILTER is the best way to go. 
>  What say you all on this one?

Check the webinterface under Privacy options

> 4.  I would like the subject header to be preceded by 
> [blind-entrep]:  Can this be done with Mailman?

This can be set through the webinterface. Have you played around with the
webinterface?!

> 5.  Does Mailman SUPPORT nomail like Majordomo and List Serve does?

Yes... 

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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Mon Aug 13 16:35:21 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:35:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple language support
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A15F@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Geiger [mailto:sgeiger at ncee.net]
> 
> What is the current state of support for other languages?  I 
> have a need for
> a list in Russian.  I would be glad to give Russian 
> translations to the
> mailman project if the software now supports that feature.

Language support is still in beta version...
Query the Mailman-i18n mailinglist to so if Russion is being translated
already...

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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Aug 13 18:38:04 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:38:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] make install fails on Linux Sparc64
In-Reply-To: <3B7461D4.924AE069@csepp.net>; from brett@csepp.net on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 03:36:04PM -0700
References: <3B7461D4.924AE069@csepp.net>
Message-ID: <20010813123804.A950@mems-exchange.org>

On 10 August 2001, Brett Mueller said:
> For what it's worth, Python = 2.0, gcc = egcs-2.91.66.  Distribution is
> Slackware 7.2...  The last lines from "make install" are at the end of this
> message.
[...]
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/update", line 31, in ?
>     from Mailman import Utils
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 32, in ?
>     import random
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.0/random.py", line 84, in ?
>     NV_MAGICCONST = 4*exp(-0.5)/sqrt(2.0)
> OverflowError: math range error

This looks like a platform-specific bug in Python specific to SPARC-64
(possibly other 64-bit platforms? who knows), specifically in the
random.py module from the standard library.  I don't think upgrading to
Python 2.0.1 will help, since this module didn't change between Python
2.0 and 2.0.1.  However, it changed a bunch from 2.0 to 2.1 -- so you
might try this with Python 2.1.  If not, you should file a bug at
python.sourceforge.net.

        Greg
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Aug 13 19:01:23 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU PLEASE HELP?
In-Reply-To: <001601c123fe$a28253c0$59e5aec7@oluseguo>; from valtd@mindspring.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 07:48:27AM -0600
References: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au> <002c01c12375$340875c0$a2e5aec7@oluseguo> <001601c123fe$a28253c0$59e5aec7@oluseguo>
Message-ID: <20010813130123.C950@mems-exchange.org>

On 13 August 2001, Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan said:
>         Dear List Members:
> 
> I have just SET UP a mailing list for BLIND ENTREPRENEURS on my server.  However, I am running into a few problems with respect to configuration.  
> 
> I want POSTINGS from mailing list members TO go directly TO THE LIST WITHOUT MODERATOR'S APPROVAL.  how CAN i HAVE mailman DO this?

>From the way you're SHOUTING at us, perhaps you should set up a list for
deaf entrepreneurs.  Please turn off your caps lock key!

        Greg



From sgeiger at ncee.net  Mon Aug 13 19:21:58 2001
From: sgeiger at ncee.net (Shane Geiger)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:21:58 -0500
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU PLEASE HELP?
Message-ID: 

Go to the "Privacy" page in the admin pages.  Read carefully through the
options.  What you want is there, although it might not jump out at you due
to the way it is labeled.





> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Greg Ward
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 12:01 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU
> PLEASE HELP?
>
>
> On 13 August 2001, Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan said:
> >         Dear List Members:
> >
> > I have just SET UP a mailing list for BLIND ENTREPRENEURS on my
> server.  However, I am running into a few problems with respect
> to configuration.
> >
> > I want POSTINGS from mailing list members TO go directly TO THE
> LIST WITHOUT MODERATOR'S APPROVAL.  how CAN i HAVE mailman DO this?
>
> From the way you're SHOUTING at us, perhaps you should set up a list for
> deaf entrepreneurs.  Please turn off your caps lock key!
>
>         Greg
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From tim_freedom at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 19:24:21 2001
From: tim_freedom at hotmail.com (Tim Freedom)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:24:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman & MHonArc -- PLEASE help
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 12:38:56 -0700
I wrote:
>Here are the entries in our /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file
>(these are the only changes we made for mhonarc)
>
>ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 1
>

Unfortunately - no one replied (boooooo !!!), but I figured what
was wrong and it is most certainly is a BUG in Mailman (docs don't
match the code)

The documentation notes the following (from Defaults.py),

# ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX
#-1 - do not do any archiving
# 0 - do not archive to mbox, use builtin mailman html
#     archiving only
# 1 - archive to mbox to use an external archiving
#     mechanism only
# 2 - archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html
#     archiving - use this to make both external
#     archiving mechanism work and mailman's builtin
#     html archiving.  the flat mail file can be useful
#     for searching, external archivers, etc.

which is NOT true -- a setting of 1 (which is what I had) does
not do what's advertised (note Archiver.py line #190); plus
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER takes priority over PRIVATE when it
comes to archiving -- that question was also asked many times
on the list as well.

>BTW: looking at the Mailman user archives, this issue definitely
>      needs to added to the FAQ :-)

Still think it ought to be in the FAQ.  Please make appropriate
corrections in code (and/or docs).

And booooo !!! again :-)

Later..


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From ryan at p11.com  Mon Aug 13 22:41:40 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:41:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allowing subscription without web interface?
In-Reply-To: <000801c121f8$d204f1f0$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>
Message-ID: <000001c12438$5ae43bc0$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

Is there a way to allow users to request subscription to a list by
issuing a 'subscribe' request via email?  The reason I'm asking, is I'm
working on an intranet projects and I want to have it automatically send
a subscribe request whenever a new user is added into the intranet db.
It'd be really simple if it were anything like majordomo's subscribe
request.

- Ryan




From jimmyzhangj at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 13 22:50:01 2001
From: jimmyzhangj at hotmail.com (jimmy Y zhang)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:50:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: 

Hi:
I want to know how to use the mailman in Zope, or just want to know how to 
use it , please tell me the resource.
                        thank you

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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Aug 13 22:58:06 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: ; from jimmyzhangj@hotmail.com on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:50:01PM -0400
References: 
Message-ID: <20010813165806.A4680@mems-exchange.org>

On 13 August 2001, jimmy Y zhang said:
> I want to know how to use the mailman in Zope, or just want to know how to 
> use it , please tell me the resource.

Huh?  That question is about as relevant and meaningful as asking how to
fill your backyard swimming pool with the moons of Jupiter.  (That's not
a comment on the relative size of Mailman or Zope, just on the
meaninglessness of the question.)

Mailman is a mailing-list manager that happens to have a web interface.
Zope is a content management system widely used for web application
development.  The word "web" occurs in both descriptions.  So what?

        Greg
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From twall at webnorth.ca  Fri Aug 10 21:53:33 2001
From: twall at webnorth.ca (Tim Wall)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 12:53:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <003201c121d6$230da7e0$0225a8c0@local.webnorth.ca>

Help,

Everything seems to be running correctly. Meaning I get no errors but when I try to post a message it hits the server and goes through exim without problems. The problem is nothing happens after that. This also happens with using the e-mail subscribtion. It goes through exim and to the mail wrapper fine but after that nothing happens!


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From lists at xpec.com  Mon Aug 13 23:42:13 2001
From: lists at xpec.com (J.D. Bronson)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.06 error with Python
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010813164031.00a7b600@ultra5.org>

I have posted this before and never saw a reply...can anyone shed some 
light on this? - I did see that this was an issue before  ( a long time ago 
) ..and supposedly FIXED...well apparently not:



Your "cron" job
/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/mailman/cron/qrunner

produced the following output:

Fatal Python error: PyThreadState_Delete: invalid tstate
Abort





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From rbley at softwares.com  Tue Aug 14 00:10:04 2001
From: rbley at softwares.com (Roderick Bley)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:10:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identifying Who the Subsriber is when Receiving a Message
Message-ID: <3B78503B.1230EB9A@softwares.com>

As a new user of Mailman I am somewhat struggling with all of the
variables in setting up the Mailman settings.

The area of concern is disclosing to the receipiant of the email who is
the originator of the message and yet ensure that the REPLY to is the
subscribers of the LIST.

any help would be appreicated.

thanks

roderick bley




From ise at tao.ca  Tue Aug 14 00:35:52 2001
From: ise at tao.ca (Institute For Social Ecology)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 18:35:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains and MHonArc
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I am working on an install of Mailman 2.1 in order to test it out.  We
are considering moving from Majordomo to Mailman, as Mailman supports
more features that we find to be of use.  Two areas that I we are very
interested in is hooking Mailman into MHonArc and supporting lists on
virtual domains.  I have looked through the Mailman documentation and
email list archives on these matters and have only been able to
uncover scattered posts from over a year back on these matters.  Is
there any up-to-date documentation available on these two items?

Thank you,

Michael Caplan
Institute for Social Ecology

1118 Maple Hill Rd.
Plainfield, Vermont, 05667
USA

Tel./Fax. 1 (802) 454-8493

http://www.social-ecology.org/




From valtd at mindspring.com  Tue Aug 14 07:37:37 2001
From: valtd at mindspring.com (Victory Associates LTD, Inc. O. O. Ogidan)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:37:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU PLEASE HELP?
References: <001b01c12329$84c4b600$210010ac@ipswc1.qld.optushome.com.au> <002c01c12375$340875c0$a2e5aec7@oluseguo> <001601c123fe$a28253c0$59e5aec7@oluseguo> <20010813130123.C950@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <00af01c12483$3ae3ae00$09e1aec7@oluseguo>

Sir, I consider your response to my inquiry RUDE AND INSULTIVE!  It might have been better to IGNORE my request altogether and let those willing to help STEP UP TO THE PLATE!  Thanks, but no thanks and I am LEAVING the list if this is the kind of attitude being displayed here.  I thought we are ehre to learn together, right?

Sincerely,
Olusegun


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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Tue Aug 14 08:54:35 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:54:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU P
	LEASE HELP?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A166@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Sir, I consider your response to my inquiry RUDE AND 
> INSULTIVE!  It might have been better to IGNORE my request 
> altogether and let those willing to help STEP UP TO THE 
> PLATE!  Thanks, but no thanks and I am LEAVING the list if 
> this is the kind of attitude being displayed here.  I thought 
> we are ehre to learn together, right?

Yes... we are here to learn that some are sometimes rude while others are
easily stepped on the toes (is that a correct saying or just translated
dutch?). And we are defenitly here to learn that some people can't resist to
be funny on behalf of others and reply to this kind of stuff.

And what you should learn is that some people (the so called experienced
users) tend to interpet CAPS as being shouted to.

PS: I probably learn to completly ignore this stuff in the future...

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Aug 14 09:01:32 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:01:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU P
	LEASE HELP?
In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A166@NETIVITY-FS>
Message-ID: 

On 8/13/01 11:54 PM, "Enriko Groen"  wrote:

>> Sir, I consider your response to my inquiry RUDE AND
>> INSULTIVE!  It might have been better to IGNORE my request
>> altogether and let those willing to help STEP UP TO THE
>> PLATE! 

And boy, notes like this sure make me want to step up to the plate...

>> I thought 
>> we are ehre to learn together, right?
> 
> Yes... we are here to learn

Funny, I get the impression that we're here to teach, and he's here to
learn, not that we're all here to learn together. And he seems to feel we're
somehow oblligated to teach, when he wants on his terms.

> And what you should learn is that some people (the so called experienced
> users) tend to interpet CAPS as being shouted to.

Because that's what he was doing, of course.

Here's a hint: if you don't get what you want the first time, insulting and
yelling at people isn't a good way to get what you want, either.


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From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Tue Aug 14 09:05:42 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NEW TO THE LIST WITH A QUESTION ... CAN YOU P
 LEASE HELP?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> > And what you should learn is that some people (the so called experienced
> > users) tend to interpet CAPS as being shouted to.
>
> Because that's what he was doing, of course.
>
> Here's a hint: if you don't get what you want the first time, insulting and
> yelling at people isn't a good way to get what you want, either.

Here's a hint: when someone asks a question about use of systems for blind
entrepreneurs, odds are pretty good that his attention to typography has
little if anything to do with his tone of voice.

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From david.farrar at parliament.govt.nz  Tue Aug 14 09:47:50 2001
From: david.farrar at parliament.govt.nz (David Farrar)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:47:50 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Identifying Who the Subscriber is when Receiving a Message
Message-ID: <6D5631C49C272947ACB5E7236535934A092720@psex02.ps.ad.parliament.govt.nz>

Click on Privacy Options.

The bottom option is "Hide sender of message".  If this is "No" then
each message will show who sent it.  If you set this to "Yes" then it
will just show a generic admin address as the sender.

To have replies go to all list recipients instead of just the sender go
to General Options and go to the setting called "Where are replies to
list messages directed".  Set this to "This List".

Note that if you set replies to the list you should make sure all
members know this is the case.  It can be very bad when a reply someone
thought was going to the sender only goes to the entire list.

DPF

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Roderick Bley [SMTP:rbley at softwares.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 14, 2001 10:10 AM
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Identifying Who the Subsriber is when
> Receiving a Message
> 
> As a new user of Mailman I am somewhat struggling with all of the
> variables in setting up the Mailman settings.
> 
> The area of concern is disclosing to the receipiant of the email who
> is
> the originator of the message and yet ensure that the REPLY to is the
> subscribers of the LIST.
> 
> any help would be appreicated.
> 
> thanks
> 
> roderick bley
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue Aug 14 10:52:41 2001
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: 14 Aug 2001 09:52:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <003201c121d6$230da7e0$0225a8c0@local.webnorth.ca>
References: <003201c121d6$230da7e0$0225a8c0@local.webnorth.ca>
Message-ID: <997779166.892.3.camel@gaspode.localnet>

On 10 Aug 2001 12:53:33 -0700, Tim Wall wrote:
> Everything seems to be running correctly. Meaning I get no errors but
> when I try to post a message it hits the server and goes through exim
> without problems. The problem is nothing happens after that. 
> This also happens with using the e-mail subscribtion. It goes through
> exim and to the mail wrapper fine but after that nothing happens!

Have a look round in both the exim and the mailman logs.
However the most likely problem is that you do not have the cron jobs
set up for mailman.  You don't say what sort of system you are running
on, but on many types if you 
	su - mailman
	crontab -l

you should see the cronjobs for that account - there should be quite a
lot of them.  If there aren't then push (a possibly lightly edited) copy
of the sample crontab into place.

	Nigel.





From do-risika at simicro-internet.mg  Tue Aug 14 15:45:23 2001
From: do-risika at simicro-internet.mg (Do-Risika RAFIEFERANTSIARONJY)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:45:23 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] show dates in archive index ...
Message-ID: <3B792B73.EC4B7761@simicro-internet.mg>

Hi all,

Is it possible to show sending dates in the pipermail archive index ?
(like with hypermail)

Thanx.

@+
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Simicro Internet - Madagascar



From andrew at crashbox.com  Tue Aug 14 18:01:20 2001
From: andrew at crashbox.com (Andrew O. Mellinger)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 09:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering config.db
Message-ID: 

Greetings!

   I recently had a scsi problem that caused me to lose my config.db 
and my config.db.last files.  For some reason no other files in the 
list were affected nor any archives.

    How do I go about rebuilding the two particular files? The list 
only had a few users which I can add manually, but I want to make 
sure I don't blow away old messages in the archives and that things 
are in correct sequence, etc.

   Thanks for any help.

-Andrew
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From bfriday at lasierra.edu  Tue Aug 14 19:31:16 2001
From: bfriday at lasierra.edu (Brian Friday)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eudora Redirects to Moderated list
Message-ID: 

Hello All,

I've done searches all over the python search engine trying to track this
down with no success.

Here is my problem,

	running 2.0.5 mailman
	Apache 1.3.20
	Postfix stable

Our PR department wants to have a mailing list that they can just send
announcements to. While I've got this list setup, often they receive
messages from other campus entities that they use the Eudora "redirect"
feature to bounce to the list.

It appears no matter what I try the messages are being held at the list
for moderator approval regardless of the fact they are redirected by
pr at lasierra.edu which is listed as a member from who has implicit approval
to submit messages and not be held.

As normal messages sent not redirected from the pr department go through
and as this feature appears (according to the list archives) to have been
supported since version 1 or earlier I'm really at a loss.

Can any kind so either direct me to a readme/list message I may have
missed or give counsel on if this is possible or how to do this?

Thanks for the help, I apologize if this is a bone head question.

Sincerely,

Brian Friday
Systems Administrator
La Sierra University
(909) 785-2554 x2




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Aug 14 19:39:02 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:39:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Eudora Redirects to Moderated list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Brian Friday  
   of "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:31:16 PDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <27805.997810742@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:31:16 -0700 (PDT) 
Brian Friday  wrote:

> It appears no matter what I try the messages are being held at the
> list for moderator approval regardless of the fact they are
> redirected by pr at lasierra.edu which is listed as a member from who
> has implicit approval to submit messages and not be held.

In mm_cfg.py tell Mailman to filter on envelope instead of From: for
subscriber determination.

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From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 14 22:11:29 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:11:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with lists archives
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20010814201129.38751.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
please, i want to edit my list archives, 
I had edited the file:
/home/mailman/archives/private/lista2.mbox/lista2.mbox

and then

./arch lista2

but the web show me the same list archives,

what's the error,please.


Albert Medina   

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From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 14 22:36:24 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:36:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] about ceiling on aceptable number of recipients ..
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20010814203624.59705.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com>

hi:

About the : ceiling on aceptable number of recipients
for a posting, what is a good configuration for this
field?



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From akennedy at niesc.k12.in.us  Mon Aug 13 23:11:35 2001
From: akennedy at niesc.k12.in.us (Adam Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:11:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use same users db for two lists
Message-ID: <3B784287.35F0A2D3@niesc.k12.in.us>

Hello. I was wondering if it's possible to have two mailing lists, but
have the user's in sync. Here's our situation:
We are moving from majordomo to mailman. Currently we have several
mailing lists that come in pairs. In each pair, there are two lists, an
announcements type list and a discussions list. What we would like to do
is have one user database for each pair. That way when users subscribe
to the discussions list, they are automatically subscribed to the
announcements list. I'd like the subscription and unsubscription for the
announcements lists to be totally transparent. If anyone knows of a
possible solution, please let me know. Thanks!

-- 
------------
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akennedy at niesc.k12.in.us
Northern Indiana ESC Technology Dept.
Linux Server Administration



From jacob at iensemble.com  Mon Aug 13 23:20:33 2001
From: jacob at iensemble.com (jacob walcik)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:20:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman + apache question
Message-ID: <1214384862-536271364@mail.iensemble.com>

i have a seperate virtualhost configured specifically for mailman.  the 
document root for that virtual host contains a single file that forwards 
you to /cgi-bin/listinfo, and the /cgi-bin for that virtual host is 
pointed at the cgi-bin under the mailman directory.

for my mailman configuration, i have the DEFAULT_URL in my mm_cfg.py 
pointed to http://mailman.host.com/cgi-bin/

my problem is this:
the html generated by the mailman cgi's isn't failing to include the 
/cgi-bin/ in a lot of the links it creates (specifically all of the 
links and the post target on the admin page for any individual list, as 
well as the links to the individual list info pages in the list 
generated by the listinfo cgi).  what variable is it that i've not set?

--
jacob walcik
systems administrator
jwalcik at iensemble.com



From andrew at criticalpath.com  Tue Aug 14 17:56:41 2001
From: andrew at criticalpath.com (Andrew O. Mellinger)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:56:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering config.db
Message-ID: 

Greetings!

   I recently had a scsi problem that caused me to lose my config.db 
and my config.db.last files.  For some reason no other files in the 
list were affected nor any archives.

    How do I go about rebuilding the two particular files? The list 
only had a few users which I can add manually, but I want to make 
sure I don't blow away old messages in the archives and that things 
are in correct sequence, etc.

   Thanks for any help.

-Andrew
-- 




From jose at iquest.ucsb.edu  Tue Aug 14 19:54:10 2001
From: jose at iquest.ucsb.edu (Jose Guevarra)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 10:54:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is the list of email addresses
Message-ID: 

Hi,

  Im new to Mailman. Im running linux 5x and Id like to know what file keeps
the actual list of names and emails for each member of the list. I really
want to have a simple list in text form to give to someone.

Thanx in Advance,

 -jose-
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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 15 00:12:02 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:12:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where is the list of email addresses
References: 
Message-ID: <3B79A232.3887833D@pcraft.com>

Jose Guevarra wrote:

>   Im new to Mailman. Im running linux 5x and Id like to know what file keeps
> the actual list of names and emails for each member of the list. I really
> want to have a simple list in text form to give to someone.

    They're in the config.db file, which is a database.  You need to use
bin/list_members to extract the subscribers.

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From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 14 23:38:37 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:38:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates in spanish
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20010814213837.67170.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com>

I would like know where I can translate to spanish the
dynamic Html's for 2.0.5. I know that the Mailman's
spanish version  have some error .I have to install
Mailman  now, but i have a Spanish interface of de
principals templates.\



Regards.

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From lists at xpec.com  Wed Aug 15 00:04:57 2001
From: lists at xpec.com (J.D. Bronson)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:04:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] yet another error on 2.06
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010814170336.00a74c40@ultra5.org>

yesterday...invalid Tstate...no one replied... (Barry?????)

now this!

HELP?!


/usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/mailman/cron/qrunner

produced the following output:

Unhandled exception in thread:
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.0/threading.py", line 392, in __bootstrap
     self.__delete()
   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.0/threading.py", line 402, in __delete
     del _active[_get_ident()]
TypeError: call of non-function (type None)




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Information Systems
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Main Office: 414.978.8282




From claw at 2wire.com  Wed Aug 15 00:36:35 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:36:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use same users db for two lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Adam Kennedy  
   of "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:11:35 CDT." <3B784287.35F0A2D3@niesc.k12.in.us> 
References: <3B784287.35F0A2D3@niesc.k12.in.us> 
Message-ID: <26744.997828595@2wire.com>

On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 16:11:35 -0500 
Adam Kennedy  wrote:

> Hello. I was wondering if it's possible to have two mailing lists,
> but have the user's in sync. Here's our situation: We are moving
> from majordomo to mailman. Currently we have several mailing lists
> that come in pairs. In each pair, there are two lists, an
> announcements type list and a discussions list. What we would like
> to do is have one user database for each pair. That way when users
> subscribe to the discussions list, they are automatically
> subscribed to the announcements list. I'd like the subscription
> and unsubscription for the announcements lists to be totally
> transparent. If anyone knows of a possible solution, please let me
> know. 

Why not make the discussion list a child list of the announce list?

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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 15 00:42:06 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] about ceiling on aceptable number of recipients .. 
In-Reply-To: Message from =?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=  
   of "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:36:24 CDT." <20010814203624.59705.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20010814203624.59705.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <31190.997828926@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:36:24 -0500 (CDT) 
albertmb2001   wrote:

> hi: About the : ceiling on aceptable number of recipients for a
> posting, what is a good configuration for this field?

I use 3, as that safely covers most of the common cases of address
to list, cc to self, and leaves room for one other.

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From alaric at babcom.com  Wed Aug 15 00:42:59 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use same users db for two lists
In-Reply-To: <26744.997828595@2wire.com>; from claw@2wire.com on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 03:36:35PM -0700
References: <3B784287.35F0A2D3@niesc.k12.in.us>  <26744.997828595@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <20010814154259.A6075@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 03:36:35PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Why not make the discussion list a child list of the announce list?

Child list?  

Where do I find documentation of this "child list" feature?  I don't need 
to use it now, but may in the future.


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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 15 00:45:36 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:45:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering config.db 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Andrew O. Mellinger"  
   of "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:56:41 PDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <31233.997829136@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:56:41 -0700 
Andrew O Mellinger  wrote:

>     How do I go about rebuilding the two particular files? The
> list only had a few users which I can add manually, but I want to
> make sure I don't blow away old messages in the archives and that
> things are in correct sequence, etc.

Two possible routes:

  1) Rename the current list directory.  Create a new list with the
  desired name.  Move necessary files back and verify correctness
  (use ~/bin/config_list to verify).

  2) Create a temp new list.  Dump config.db with config_list.  Edit
  as appropriate.  Build new config.db for old list with edited
  version.

General observation: There's not much to be careful of here -- its
pretty simple obvious stuff really.  No, that doesn't mean you
shouldn't keep full backups and audit trails.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 15 01:08:08 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:08:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use same users db for two lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Phil Stracchino  
   of "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:59 PDT." <20010814154259.A6075@babylon5.babcom.com> 
References: <3B784287.35F0A2D3@niesc.k12.in.us>  <26744.997828595@2wire.com>  <20010814154259.A6075@babylon5.babcom.com> 
Message-ID: <31509.997830488@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:59 -0700 
Phil Stracchino  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 03:36:35PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> Why not make the discussion list a child list of the announce
>> list?

> Child list?

Bad language.  The correct term (for Mailman) is "umbrella list".
See the General Options admin page for initial details.

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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From syntax at crackcrew.org  Wed Aug 15 01:17:08 2001
From: syntax at crackcrew.org (syntax at crackcrew.org)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:17:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?I_send_mail_to_the_address_of_my_list_and_nothing_happens=3F?=
Message-ID: <1187.192.168.1.53.997831028.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>

when i send a message to the list, or when mailman tried to send messages
to the owner or new subscribers nothing happens?  I tried to send a single
message to the list and got this in my /var/log/maillog

Aug 14 19:12:10 civic sendmail[950]: f7ENCAx00948:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post crackcrew",
ctladdr= (8/0),
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30526, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent

system:
RedHat 7.1/sendmail
python 2.1.1
mailman 2.1a2


any ideas?

Thanks,
Matt





From alaric at babcom.com  Wed Aug 15 01:42:36 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:42:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use same users db for two lists
In-Reply-To: <31509.997830488@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 04:08:08PM -0700
References: <3B784287.35F0A2D3@niesc.k12.in.us>  <26744.997828595@2wire.com> <20010814154259.A6075@babylon5.babcom.com>  <31509.997830488@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20010814164236.A7929@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 04:08:08PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:59 -0700 
> Phil Stracchino  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 03:36:35PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >> Why not make the discussion list a child list of the announce
> >> list?
> 
> > Child list?
> 
> Bad language.  The correct term (for Mailman) is "umbrella list".
> See the General Options admin page for initial details.


Ah, I see 'Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, 
according to setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting. (Details)'

What I can't find (yet) is the 'previous "umbrella_list" setting' ....  
has this possibly been omitted from the admin interface, or is it buried
somewhere obsacure?  Or is it an option at list creation time only?


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From syntax at crackcrew.org  Wed Aug 15 07:02:46 2001
From: syntax at crackcrew.org (syntax at crackcrew.org)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_More_INFO_--_PLS_HELP_--_I_send_mail_to_the_address_of_my_list_and_nothing_happens=3F?=
Message-ID: <2149.192.168.1.53.997851766.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>

Ok, i found out a couple things...

For one, if i run

"/home/mailman/bin/qrunner Incoming"
"/home/mailman/bin/qrunner Outgoing"

manually, then all of the messages that I have been trying to send show up
in my inboxes (still not any of the subscriber messages or any admin
messages that were sent).  I had to run both of those lines multiple times
however to make the emails to go through, one incoming and one outgoing per
email message that was sent.  Im guessing qrunner needs to be added to
something?

another thing is that may have something to do with it is archiving is not
working.  when i goto http://domain.name.org/pipermail/listname/ I was
getting a page not found.  I went to the /home/mailman/public/ directory
and noticed a bad symlink to /home/mailman/private/listname.  So I created
the directory to fix the sym link, ran bin/check_perms -f to have it set
the permissions. and now when I goto pipermail/listname/ I get a 403
forbidon (because there is nothing in the directory and browsing isn't
allowed).

PLEASE give me some insight :)

Thanks,
Matt


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?
I_send_mail_to_the_address_of_my_list_and_nothing_happens=3F?=
From: 
To: 

when i send a message to the list, or when mailman tried to send messages
to the owner or new subscribers nothing happens?  I tried to send a
single message to the list and got this in my /var/log/maillog

Aug 14 19:12:10 civic sendmail[950]: f7ENCAx00948:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post crackcrew",
ctladdr= (8/0),
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30526, dsn=2.0.0,
stat=Sent

system:
RedHat 7.1/sendmail
python 2.1.1
mailman 2.1a2


any ideas?

Thanks,
Matt



------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users






From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Aug 15 07:09:27 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:09:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman & MHonArc -- PLEASE help
References: 
Message-ID: <3B7A0407.A72F1186@nleaudio.com>

> Unfortunately - no one replied (boooooo !!!), but I figured what
> was wrong and it is most certainly is a BUG in Mailman (docs don't
> match the code)

and

> which is NOT true -- a setting of 1 (which is what I had) does
> not do what's advertised (note Archiver.py line #190); plus
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER takes priority over PRIVATE when it
> comes to archiving -- that question was also asked many times
> on the list as well.

Tim,

What -is- the correct setting then?  What do the numbers really do?  I want to experiment with this program combo also.

Bob



From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Aug 15 07:15:35 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 01:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation
References: 
Message-ID: <3B7A0577.4C909E63@nleaudio.com>

I had a user tell me his mailing list seemed a little funky, so I started doing some investigations tonight.  Lo and behold, I have a 75 megabyte mailman error log!  It is filled with this:

Aug 15 00:53:01 2001 (4335) Delivery exception: illegal argument type for built-in operation
Aug 15 00:53:01 2001 (4335) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 78, in process
    text = mlist.autoresponse_postings_text % d
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation           

I checked the qfiles directory, and found about a dozen messages there, with their .db files updated with the latest time/date.  I believe most (if not all) these messages were posted prior to my Mailman 2.0rc1 to 2.0.6 update last week.

Is this error because I didn't nuke the qfiles directory before upgrading, or is there a problem here with 2.0.6?  I'm running Python 2.1, and Postfix.

Bob



From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 15 07:32:04 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:32:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: More INFO -- PLS HELP -- I send mail to the 
 address of my list and nothing happens?
References: <2149.192.168.1.53.997851766.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
Message-ID: <3B7A0954.AFB06661@pcraft.com>

syntax at crackcrew.org wrote:

> "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner Incoming"
> "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner Outgoing"
>
> Im guessing qrunner needs to be added to
> something?

    No, you really must run qrunner by hand, the whole day, the whole night,
every time a message comes through.  No seriously.

    You need to learn to read the documentation that comes with Mailman.  It
was written for a reason.  All the instructions on how to setup Mailman to work
properly are there, including how qrunner needs to be setup to run.

    As for your archiving issue, same story.

--
H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Aug 15 09:00:22 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 15 Aug 2001 09:00:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with lists archives
In-Reply-To: <20010814201129.38751.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20010814201129.38751.qmail@web13605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

Albert Medina  writes:

> please, i want to edit my list archives, 
> I had edited the file:
> /home/mailman/archives/private/lista2.mbox/lista2.mbox
> 
> and then
> 
> ./arch lista2
> 
> but the web show me the same list archives,
> 
> what's the error,please.

First delete /home/mailman/archives/private/lista2/

edit
home/mailman/archives/private/lista2.mbox/lista2.mbox

and then
arch lista2


 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Wed Aug 15 11:40:09 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:40:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More HTML issues...
Message-ID: 

Even the HTML that is configurable as part of Mailman has issues (from
/cgi-bin/mailman/handle_opts/test/:







.
.
.

Where does this kluge come from?

-- 
Eric P.
Los Gatos, CA




From syntax at crackcrew.org  Wed Aug 15 13:36:01 2001
From: syntax at crackcrew.org (syntax at crackcrew.org)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:36:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Mailman-Users]_RE:_More_INFO_--_PLS_HELP_--_I_send_mail_to_the?=
In-Reply-To: <3B7A0954.AFB06661@pcraft.com>
References: <3B7A0954.AFB06661@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <2890.192.168.1.53.997875361.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>

comon, I hate when people reply with these responses.  I followed the
documentation from begining to end when I installed it.  It would have
taken you the same amount of time to write what I needed to do, plus then
others would have this to look at if they had the same problem.

> syntax at crackcrew.org wrote:
>
>> "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner Incoming"
>> "/home/mailman/bin/qrunner Outgoing"
>>
>> Im guessing qrunner needs to be added to
>> something?
>
>    No, you really must run qrunner by hand, the whole day, the whole
>    night,
> every time a message comes through.  No seriously.
>
>    You need to learn to read the documentation that comes with Mailman.
>     It
> was written for a reason.  All the instructions on how to setup Mailman
> to work properly are there, including how qrunner needs to be setup to
> run.
>
>    As for your archiving issue, same story.
>
> --
> H | "Life is the art of drawing without an eraser." - John Gardner
>  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Ashley M. Kirchner    .   303.442.6410 x130
>  Director of Internet Operations / SysAdmin    .     800.441.3873 x130
>  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave, #6
>  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users






From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Aug 15 13:51:03 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 15 Aug 2001 13:51:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: More INFO -- PLS HELP -- I send mail to the
In-Reply-To: <2890.192.168.1.53.997875361.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
References: <3B7A0954.AFB06661@pcraft.com>
	<2890.192.168.1.53.997875361.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
Message-ID: 

 writes:

> comon, I hate when people reply with these responses.

I hate when people can not quoting.

> I followed the
> documentation from begining to end when I installed it.

Have you read this?

,----[ INSTALL ]
| Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs
| for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or
| whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
| step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
| executing these commands:
| ...
`----


 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From jajoa at wmdata.com  Wed Aug 15 13:49:49 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:49:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message
Message-ID: 

2001-08-15 13:52:35 15WzDv-00087F-00 <= jajoa at wmdata.com H=spencer.wm.net
(relay2.wm.net) [194.18.224.226] P=esmtp S=2058
id=E500C07A3D64D31182F00008C7DB99280456DEBA at WMSI000168
2001-08-15 13:52:35 15WzDv-00087F-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery of
|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test

Hmmm, i cant seem to find a reference to the above in the archives... Any
hints? I guess i realize wht the problem is, but not what to do about it?



From syntax at crackcrew.org  Wed Aug 15 14:46:59 2001
From: syntax at crackcrew.org (syntax at crackcrew.org)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:46:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Mailman-Users]_Re:_[Mailman-Users]_RE:_More_INFO_--_PLS_HELP_--_I_send_mail_to_the?=
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1825.208.58.123.69.997879619.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>

YES

when I do a crontab -l (logged in as user mailman) i get this:

# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (/home/mailman/cron/crontab.in installed on Wed Aug 15 00:27:50 2001)
# (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $)
# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -
S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

>  writes:
>
>> comon, I hate when people reply with these responses.
>
> I hate when people can not quoting.
>
>> I followed the
>> documentation from begining to end when I installed it.
>
> Have you read this?
>
> ,----[ INSTALL ]
> | Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs
> | for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or
> | whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
> | step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
> | executing these commands:
> | ...
> `----
>
>
> MfG
> Detlef Neubauer
>
> --
> .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.






From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Wed Aug 15 16:30:08 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] about ceiling on aceptable number of
  recipients .. 
In-Reply-To: <31190.997828926@kanga.nu>
References: 
 <20010814203624.59705.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20010814203624.59705.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010815072514.030622a0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 03:42 PM 8/14/01, J C Lawrence wrote:
 >On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:36:24 -0500 (CDT)
 >albertmb2001   wrote:
 >
 >> hi: About the : ceiling on aceptable number of recipients for a
 >> posting, what is a good configuration for this field?
 >
 >I use 3, as that safely covers most of the common cases of address
 >to list, cc to self, and leaves room for one other.

What about when a list is set to "reply to author" and people want replies 
to go to the list and just select "reply all" and a long thread is 
generated where every prior poster in the thread is cc'd?  In *this* post, 
I selected "reply to all" and there are already 3 addresses (the author of 
the message I'm replying to, the author of the prior message, and the list 
address) and I haven't cc'd myself.

I've regularly seen posts to THIS list (and thus posts from supposedly 
clueful people - mailing list administrators and so on) have more than 6 
addresses in the To and CC headers.  Would you want such posts bounced to 
the author rather than sent on to the list? Note, everyone who is sent the 
post via being in the To and CC lines still gets their copy, it's just the 
rest of the list who loses when email like that is bounced.

jc




From syntax at crackcrew.org  Wed Aug 15 20:13:15 2001
From: syntax at crackcrew.org (syntax at crackcrew.org)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:13:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Mailman-Users]_More_INFO_--_PLS_HELP_--_I_send_mail_to_the_list_and_nothing_happens?=
In-Reply-To: <1825.208.58.123.69.997879619.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
References: <1825.208.58.123.69.997879619.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
Message-ID: <5471.208.58.123.69.997899195.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>

some more info,

My crontab is sending me emails about errors simlar to this:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 25, in ?
from Mailman import MailList
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
from mimelib.address import getaddresses
ImportError: No module named mimelib.address

I have confirmed that I have the mimelibs installed, I reinstalled them
anyway but I'm still getting these errors.

if I run a bin/check_perms it says no problems found, which would tell me
that is seeing the mimelibs right?

Thanks,
Matt

> YES
>
> when I do a crontab -l (logged in as user mailman) i get this:
>
> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
> # (/home/mailman/cron/crontab.in installed on Wed Aug 15 00:27:50 2001)
> # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp
> $) # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
> 0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
> #
> # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
> delivery.
> 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
> #
> # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
> 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
> #
> # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
> # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right
> now, # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of
> polling. 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -
> S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
> #
> # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only #
> turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
> # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
> 27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
>
>>  writes:
>>
>>> comon, I hate when people reply with these responses.
>>
>> I hate when people can not quoting.
>>
>>> I followed the
>>> documentation from begining to end when I installed it.
>>
>> Have you read this?
>>
>> ,----[ INSTALL ]
>> | Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs |
>> for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or |
>> whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
>> | step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
>> | executing these commands:
>> | ...
>> `----
>>
>>
>> MfG
>> Detlef Neubauer
>>
>> --
>> .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users






From david at midrange.com  Wed Aug 15 22:37:04 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010815153522.0236b028@linux.midrange.com>

Folks:

How do you deal with a slash '/' in the email address of a subscriber?

I've got a person who's address is John_doe/Corporate at acme.com (made up, of 
course ... but basically the same).

If they try to request their password, they are told that "john_doe" is not 
a member of the list.  They definitely are a subscriber.

Thanks!

david


--
| Internet: david at midrange.com
| WWW: http://david.fallingrock.net
|
| Expect me when you see me.




From linux at hipertek.net  Wed Aug 15 02:50:29 2001
From: linux at hipertek.net (linux)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:50:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restore your config.db
Message-ID: <01081419502900.01136@linux.hipertek.com>

Asumo que esta usando sendmail.
yo haria lo siguiente:
1. un backup de etc:  # tar -cvf etc.tar etc
2. un backup de los correos # /var/spool/mail
3. Desinstalar mailman y sendmail
4. instalar sendmail y mailman.
5. actualizar los archivos de correo: /var/spool/mail
6. hacer pruebas.
bye.



From jspinnow at ultra5.org  Wed Aug 15 11:29:33 2001
From: jspinnow at ultra5.org (John Pinnow)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 04:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: yet another error on 2.06
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010814170336.00a74c40@ultra5.org>; from lists@xpec.com on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 05:04:57PM -0500
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010814170336.00a74c40@ultra5.org>
Message-ID: <20010815042933.A3294@sparc-central.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 05:04:57PM -0500, J.D. Bronson wrote:
> yesterday...invalid Tstate...no one replied... (Barry?????)
> 
yikes. I got into doing this python stuff more deeply. I think
it is more crappy code than python.
> now this!
> 
> HELP?!
> 
> 
> /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> produced the following output:
> 
> Unhandled exception in thread:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>    File "/usr/local/lib/python2.0/threading.py", line 392, in __bootstrap
>      self.__delete()
>    File "/usr/local/lib/python2.0/threading.py", line 402, in __delete
>      del _active[_get_ident()]
> TypeError: call of non-function (type None)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> J.D. Bronson
> Aurora Health Care
> Information Systems
> Milwaukee Wisconsin USA
> Main Office: 414.978.8282
> 



From m.mohr at johalla.de  Wed Aug 15 11:58:53 2001
From: m.mohr at johalla.de (Markus Mohr)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:58:53 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoreply loops, Mailman 1.1
Message-ID: <3B7A47DD.943F3A41@johalla.de>

Hi!

I'm running Mailman 1.1 on Debian/Potatoe and had the following problem:

The list is a discussion list and so is set to reply-to list. One of the
subscribers has set up an auto-responder which created a mail loop. Ok,
one fault on his side was to not configure this autoresponder, but there
is another thing which looks strange to me: the answers from the
responder included:

[..]
X-Autoreply-From: 
[..]
Precedence: bulk
[..]
X-BeenThere: 
[..]

If I understood correctly each of this lines should have stopped mailman
from resending his answer to the list!? It didn't though and so created
a lot of unwanted mails. :(
I couldn't find a trigger in the configuration to change this behaviour.


thanks for your help
marksu



From 520065607613-0001 at t-online.de  Wed Aug 15 11:59:04 2001
From: 520065607613-0001 at t-online.de (Frank Pilhofer)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:59:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing old archives
Message-ID: <20010815115904.H484@rose.fpx.de>

   Hi,

 I am currently migrating some mailing lists to Mailman.

 I have archives of the old list in mbox format. Is there some easy way
of importing them?

 I have also noted a minor security loophole in 2.0.5. I do not want to
disclose any information about subscribers and have set the appropriate
privacy option.

 However, on the subscription page, I can enter any email address and
click on "Edit Options" to check its validity and to actually see that
user's options.

 I think this information should only be accessible after password
verification.

	Frank


-- 
Frank Pilhofer  ...........................................  fp at fpx.de
War is what happens when arms are used instead of heads! -A. E. Neuman



From matt at perforce.com  Wed Aug 15 22:05:38 2001
From: matt at perforce.com (Matthew Attaway)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:05:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Design doc?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815130356.02d3c838@computer.perforce.com>

Hello,

Is there a design document for Mailman, explaining how all of the pieces 
work together?
I'm learning Python, and wanted to use the Mailman source as something of 
an advanced
tutorial. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Matt




From syntax at crackcrew.org  Thu Aug 16 00:10:58 2001
From: syntax at crackcrew.org (syntax at crackcrew.org)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:10:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_More_INFO_--_PLS_HELP_--_I_send_mail_to_the_list_and_nothing_happens?=
In-Reply-To: <5471.208.58.123.69.997899195.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
References: <5471.208.58.123.69.997899195.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
Message-ID: <2456.192.168.1.53.997913458.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>

ok well I got sick of not being able to use mailman, so I decided to
downgrade to the last stable release (v2.0.6) and everything is working
perfectly now.  I move all of the stuff out of /home/mailmain/*, ran the
conifugre/make/make install scripts with the exact same syntaxs, and
everything is working fine now.  so my conclusion is that there is a bug
with something somewhere in 2.1a2.

-Matt

> some more info,
>
> My crontab is sending me emails about errors simlar to this:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 25, in ?
> from Mailman import MailList
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
> from mimelib.address import getaddresses
> ImportError: No module named mimelib.address
>
> I have confirmed that I have the mimelibs installed, I reinstalled them
> anyway but I'm still getting these errors.
>
> if I run a bin/check_perms it says no problems found, which would tell
> me that is seeing the mimelibs right?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>> YES
>>
>> when I do a crontab -l (logged in as user mailman) i get this:
>>
>> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
>> # (/home/mailman/cron/crontab.in installed on Wed Aug 15 00:27:50
>> 2001) # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37
>> vixie Exp $) # At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to
>> pending requests 0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S
>> /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>> #
>> # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold
>> delivery.
>> 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests
>> #
>> # 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
>> 0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
>> #
>> # Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one
>> out # if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on
>> right now, # or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of
>> polling. 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python - S
>> /home/mailman/cron/gate_news
>> #
>> # At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only #
>> turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
>> # GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
>> 27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
>>
>>>  writes:
>>>
>>>> comon, I hate when people reply with these responses.
>>>
>>> I hate when people can not quoting.
>>>
>>>> I followed the
>>>> documentation from begining to end when I installed it.
>>>
>>> Have you read this?
>>>
>>> ,----[ INSTALL ]
>>> | Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs |
>>> for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or |
>>> whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
>>> | step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
>>> | executing these commands:
>>> | ...
>>> `----
>>>
>>>
>>> MfG
>>> Detlef Neubauer
>>>
>>> --
>>> .oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users






From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Aug 16 00:33:46 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:33:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: More INFO -- PLS HELP -- I send mail to
	the list and nothing happens
In-Reply-To: <2456.192.168.1.53.997913458.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>
Message-ID: 

On 8/15/01 3:10 PM, "syntax at crackcrew.org"  wrote:

> so my conclusion is that there is a bug
> with something somewhere in 2.1a2.

What? A bug in alpha software? Never!


-- 
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[ =  = ]
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I tried to get a life once, but they were out of stock.







From barry at zope.com  Thu Aug 16 06:25:14 2001
From: barry at zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:25:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rename a list
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718105036.03294b88@mailhost.atext.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20010724162112.077723d0@mailhost.atext.com>
	<5.1.0.14.2.20010725102106.03df3e80@mailhost.atext.com>
Message-ID: <15227.19242.722021.175539@anthem.wooz.org>

A while ago Michael asked about the canonical way to rename a mailing
list.  Turns out that I had to do this for one of the zope.org lists,
although I didn't get to it before my vacation.  As an exercise I
decided to write up the steps as a FAQ entry, then move the zope.org
list and see how close I got.  I was suprised that I didn't have to
change a thing, but the real test will be for one of you to try to
follow the recipe and find the gotchas.

I append the FAQ entry below.  It looks imposing, and that's enough of
a reason why the current situation sucks, but renaming a list just
isn't a common enough task IMO that it's worth spending time improving
for MM2.1.  Let's put it on the slate for the next version, though.

And though it seems like a lot of stuff, it really isn't.  I was able
to follow the instructions and rename the list in about 5 minutes.
There's a lot of detail because you want to be as cautious as possible
so that no posts or web hits are reaching the list until the move is
complete.

Comments, questions?

-Barry

(P.S. Michael, I hope this helps!)

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
Q. How do I rename a list?

A. Renaming a list is currently a bit of a pain to do completely
   correctly, especially if you want to make sure that the old list
   contacts are automatically forwarded to the new list.  This ought
   to be easier. :(

   The biggest problem you have is how to stop mail and web traffic to
   your list during the transition, and what to do about any mail
   undelivered to the old list after the move.  I don't think there
   are any foolproof steps, but here's how you can reduce the risk:

   - Temporarily disable qrunner.  To do this, you need to edit the
     user `mailman's crontab entry.  Execute the following command,
     commenting out the qrunner line when you're dropped into your
     editor.  Then save the file and quit the editor.

     % crontab -u mailman -e

   - Turn off your mail server.  This is mostly harmless since remote
     MTAs will just keep retrying until you turn it back on, and it's
     not going to be off for very long.

   - Next turn off your web server if possible.  This of course means
     your entire site will be off-line while you make the switch and
     this may not be acceptable to you.  The next best suggestion is
     to set up your permanent redirects now for the list you're
     moving.  This means that anybody looking for the list under its
     old name will be redirected to the new name, but they'll get
     errors until you've completed the move.

     Let's say the old name is "oldname" and the new name is
     "newname".  Here are some Apache directives that will do the
     trick, though YMMV:

     RedirectMatch permanent /mailman/(.*)/oldname(.*) http://www.dom.ain/mailman/$1/newname$2
     RedirectMatch permanent /pipermail/oldname(.*)    http://www.dom.ain/pipermail/newname$1

     Add these to your httpd.conf file and restart Apache.

   - Now cd to the directory where you've installed Mailman.  Let's
     say it's /usr/local/mailman:

     % cd /usr/local/mailman

     and cd to the `lists' subdirectory:

     % cd lists

     You should now see the directory `oldname'.  Move this to
     `newname':

     % mv oldname newname

   - Now cd to the private archives directory:

     % cd ../archives/private

     You will need to move the oldname's .mbox directory, and the
     .mbox file within that directory.  Don't worry about the public
     archives; the next few steps will take care of them without
     requiring you to fiddle around in the file system:

     % mv oldname.mbox newname.mbox
     % mv newname.mbox/oldname.mbox newname.mbox/newname.mbox

   - You now need to run the `bin/move_list' script to update some of
     the internal archiver paths.  IMPORTANT: Skip this step if you
     are using Mailman 2.1!

     % cd ../..
     % bin/move_list newname

   - You should now regenerate the public archives:

     % bin/arch newname

   - You'll likely need to change some of your list's configuration
     options, especially if you want to accept postings addressed to
     the old list on the new list.  Visit the admin interface for your
     new list:

     o Go to the General options

     o Change the "real_name" option to reflect the new list's name,
       e.g. "Newname"

     o Change the subject prefix to reflect the new list's name,
       e.g. "[Newname] " (yes, that's a trailing space character).

     o Optionally, update other configuration fields like info,
       description, or welcome_msg.  YMMV.

     o Save your changes

     o Go to the Privacy options

     o Add the old list's address to acceptable_aliases.
       E.g. "oldname at dom.ain".  This way, (after the /etc/aliases
       changes described below) messages posted to the old list will
       not be held by the new list for "implicit destination"
       approval.

     o Save your changes

   - Now you want to update your /etc/aliases file to include the
     aliases for the new list, and forwards for the old list to the
     new list.  Note that these instructions are for Sendmail style
     alias files, adjust to the specifics of how your MTA is set up.

     o Find the lines defining the aliases for your old list's name

     o Copy and paste them just below the originals.

     o Change all the references of "oldname" to "newname" in the
       pasted stanza.

     o Now change the targets of the original aliases to forward to
       the new aliases.  When you're done, you will end up with
       /etc/aliases entries like the following (YMMV):

       # Forward the oldname list to the newname list
       oldname:         newname at dom.ain
       oldname-request: newname-request at dom.ain
       oldname-admin:   newname-admin at dom.ain
       oldname-owner:   newname-owner at dom.ain

       newname:         "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post newname"
       newname-admin:   "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner newname"
       newname-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd newname"
       newname-owner:   newname-admin

     o Run newaliases

   - Before you restart everything, you want to make one last check.
     You're looking for files in the qfiles/ directory that may have
     been addressed to the old list but weren't delivered before you
     renamed the list.  Do something like the following:

     % cd /usr/local/mailman/qfiles
     % grep oldname *.msg

     If you get no hits, skip to the next step, you've got nothing to
     worry about.

     If you did get hits, then things get complicated.  I warn you
     that the rest of this step is untested. :(

     For each of the .msg files that were destined for the old list,
     you need to change the corresponding .db file.  Unfortunately
     there's no easy way to do this.  Anyway...

     Save the following Python code in a file called 'hackdb.py':

     -------------------------hackdb.py
     import sys
     import marshal
     fp = open(sys.argv[1])
     d = marshal.load(fp)
     fp.close()
     d['listname'] = sys.argv[2]
     fp = open(sys.argv[1], 'w')
     marshal.dump(d, fp)
     fp.close()
     -------------------------

     And then for each file that matched your grep above, do the
     following:

     % python hackdb.py reallylonghexfilenamematch1.db newname

   - It's now safe to turn your MTA back on.

   - Turn your qrunner back on by running

     % crontab -u mailman -e

     again and this time uncommenting the qrunner line.  Save the file
     and quit your editor.

   - Rejoice, you're done.  Send $100,000 in shiny new pennies to the
     Mailman cabal as your downpayment toward making this easier for
     the next list you have to rename. :)



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Aug 16 06:41:51 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:41:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use same users db for two lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Phil Stracchino  
   of "Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:42:36 PDT." <20010814164236.A7929@babylon5.babcom.com> 
References: <3B784287.35F0A2D3@niesc.k12.in.us>  <26744.997828595@2wire.com> <20010814154259.A6075@babylon5.babcom.com>  <31509.997830488@kanga.nu>  <20010814164236.A7929@babylon5.babcom.com> 
Message-ID: <21391.997936911@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:42:36 -0700 
Phil Stracchino  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 04:08:08PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:42:59 -0700 Phil Stracchino
>>  wrote:

>> Bad language.  The correct term (for Mailman) is "umbrella list".
>> See the General Options admin page for initial details.

> Ah, I see 'Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other
> lists, according to setting of previous "umbrella_list"
> setting. (Details)'

> What I can't find (yet) is the 'previous "umbrella_list" setting'
> ....  has this possibly been omitted from the admin interface, or
> is it buried somewhere obsacure?  Or is it an option at list
> creation time only?

The UI aspect does appear to have wandered off.  However, using
~/bin/config_list reveals:

  # Set this to yes when this list is intended to cascade only to other
  # mailing lists.  When set, meta notices like confirmations and password
  # reminders will be directed to an address derived from the member's
  # address - it will have the value of "umbrella_member_suffix" appended
  # to the member's account name.
  #
  # legal values are:
  #    0 = "No"
  #    1 = "Yes"
  umbrella_list = 0

Barry;  Whazzup with the UI?

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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Aug 16 06:43:13 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Design doc? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Matthew Attaway  
   of "Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:05:38 PDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20010815130356.02d3c838@computer.perforce.com> 
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010815130356.02d3c838@computer.perforce.com> 
Message-ID: <21409.997936993@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:05:38 -0700 
Matthew Attaway  wrote:

> Is there a design document for Mailman, explaining how all of the
> pieces work together?  

Like most Open Source projects, well, there's the source.

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From alessio at albourne.com  Thu Aug 16 09:18:36 2001
From: alessio at albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:18:36 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010815153522.0236b028@linux.midrange.com>
Message-ID: <3B7B73CC.21BC38BC@albourne.com>

David Gibbs wrote:

> How do you deal with a slash '/' in the email address of a subscriber?

> If they try to request their password, they are told that "john_doe" is not
> a member of the list.  They definitely are a subscriber.

Seems to me that some links created by the web interface must be passed
through a uri_encode function or similar.

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From jajoa at wmdata.com  Thu Aug 16 10:21:36 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:21:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File error?
Message-ID: 

Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/
qfiles/7806d3d1eecd9ad725bbeb1c8aaef73ab7636ddf.db' 
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 202, in main
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/
qfiles/950c2e3598b43885edd7d0973cb31566cca69580.db' 

I am getting tons of these. But everything works just dandy. the device on
which all Mailman files resides is ReiserFS if that should matter (with its
asynch. deletes and such)

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> 



From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Thu Aug 16 11:55:08 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:55:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File error?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A19E@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706): OSError :  [Errno 2] No 
> such file or
> directory: '/home/mailman/
> qfiles/7806d3d1eecd9ad725bbeb1c8aaef73ab7636ddf.db' 
> Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718): Traceback (innermost last):
> Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):   File 
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 282, in ?
> Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):      kids = main(lock)
> Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):   File 
> "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
> line 202, in main
> Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
> Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718): OSError :  [Errno 2] No 
> such file or
> directory: '/home/mailman/
> qfiles/950c2e3598b43885edd7d0973cb31566cca69580.db' 
> 
> I am getting tons of these. But everything works just dandy. 
> the device on
> which all Mailman files resides is ReiserFS if that should 
> matter (with its
> asynch. deletes and such)

Probably every minute you'll get one, right?
Have you checked on the problem that the error is stating?
Does /home/mailman/qfiles/7806.......db not exist?

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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Thu Aug 16 11:48:42 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:48:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A19D@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Gibbs [mailto:david at midrange.com]
> 
> How do you deal with a slash '/' in the email address of a subscriber?

Reply to the user stating to get another/different emailaddress.
Using things like '/' and '&' in your mailadress is basicly a bad idea.

You might solve the problem for him, but on another server he will have the
same problem.
People are free not to follow standards, but they should not complain if
things fail.


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From jajoa at wmdata.com  Thu Aug 16 13:01:51 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:01:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File error?
Message-ID: 

>Probably every minute you'll get one, right?
>Have you checked on the problem that the error is stating?
>Does /home/mailman/qfiles/7806.......db not exist?

I am getting them not so often, and the files are not there when i look, but
i sam still confused where the error comes from.

Aug 15 19:58:03 2001 qrunner(2751): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 15 19:58:03 2001 qrunner(2751):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Aug 15 19:58:03 2001 qrunner(2751):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 15 19:58:03 2001 qrunner(2751):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 202, in main
Aug 15 19:58:03 2001 qrunner(2751):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Aug 15 19:58:03 2001 qrunner(2751): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/
qfiles/a0873e1588842819463bc40df4bfd77020e8a190.db' 
Aug 15 20:00:04 2001 qrunner(2766): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 15 20:00:04 2001 qrunner(2766):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Aug 15 20:00:04 2001 qrunner(2766):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 15 20:00:04 2001 qrunner(2766):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 202, in main
Aug 15 20:00:04 2001 qrunner(2766):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Aug 15 20:00:04 2001 qrunner(2766): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/
qfiles/a07f7b46f88bd3fa24bd19b596475165f132cb51.db' 
Aug 15 22:19:08 2001 qrunner(3698): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 15 22:19:08 2001 qrunner(3698):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Aug 15 22:19:08 2001 qrunner(3698):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 15 22:19:08 2001 qrunner(3698):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 202, in main
Aug 15 22:19:08 2001 qrunner(3698):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Aug 15 22:19:08 2001 qrunner(3698): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/
qfiles/0ecff73f8198d8100e949f3365fefac8ffc22301.db' 
Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 202, in main
Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Aug 15 22:20:04 2001 qrunner(3706): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/
qfiles/7806d3d1eecd9ad725bbeb1c8aaef73ab7636ddf.db' 
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718): Traceback (innermost last):
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 282, in ?
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):      kids = main(lock)
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner",
line 202, in main
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718):      os.unlink(root+'.db')
Aug 15 22:21:03 2001 qrunner(3718): OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or
directory: '/home/mailman/
qfiles/950c2e3598b43885edd7d0973cb31566cca69580.db' 



From david at midrange.com  Thu Aug 16 13:29:52 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:29:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A19D@NETIVITY-FS>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010816062712.02636cb0@linux.midrange.com>

At 04:48 AM 8/16/2001, Enriko Groen wrote:
> > How do you deal with a slash '/' in the email address of a subscriber?
>Reply to the user stating to get another/different emailaddress.
>Using things like '/' and '&' in your mailadress is basicly a bad idea.

Well, be that as it may ... if SMTP servers don't have a problem with the 
email address, neither should Mailman.

>You might solve the problem for him, but on another server he will have the
>same problem.
>People are free not to follow standards, but they should not complain if
>things fail.

Can you show me the standard that says "no slashes in email 
addresses"?  That might give me the ammo to ask the user to have his email 
address changed.

Thanks!

david


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From david at midrange.com  Thu Aug 16 13:30:33 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:30:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
In-Reply-To: <3B7B73CC.21BC38BC@albourne.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010815153522.0236b028@linux.midrange.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010816063005.02629008@linux.midrange.com>

At 02:18 AM 8/16/2001, you wrote:
> > How do you deal with a slash '/' in the email address of a subscriber?
>Seems to me that some links created by the web interface must be passed
>through a uri_encode function or similar.

Any clue as to how I would do that?

david


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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug 16 14:41:27 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:41:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A19D@NETIVITY-FS>; from enriko.groen@netivity.nl on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 11:48:42AM +0200
References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A19D@NETIVITY-FS>
Message-ID: <20010816084127.B623@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 August 2001, Enriko Groen said:
> Reply to the user stating to get another/different emailaddress.

Many people don't have control over what their email address is; it may
be chosen by some faraway pinhead IT type.

> Using things like '/' and '&' in your mailadress is basicly a bad idea.

True, but...

> People are free not to follow standards, but they should not complain if
> things fail.

... the relevant standard here, RFC 822, is quite liberal in what
constitutes an email address.  (Probably necessary because it predates
the days of "everyone" being "username at example.com" -- and becaue there
are indeed people out there with slashes, percent signs, and so forth in
their email addresses.

Here are the relevant snippets from RFC 822.  addr-spec is the
grammatical element we're talking about here; Mailman only traffics in
addr-spec's, and doesn't deal with RFC 822's higher-level things
('mailbox' and 'address' specifically).

     addr-spec   =  local-part "@" domain        ; global address

     local-part  =  word *("." word)             ; uninterpreted
                                                 ; case-preserved
     domain      =  sub-domain *("." sub-domain)

     sub-domain  =  domain-ref / domain-literal

     domain-ref  =  atom                         ; symbolic reference

     domain-literal =  "[" *(dtext / quoted-pair) "]"

     atom        =  1*

     word        =  atom / quoted-string

     quoted-string = <"> *(qtext/quoted-pair) <">; Regular qtext or
                                                 ;   quoted chars.

     specials    =  "(" / ")" / "<" / ">" / "@"  ; Must be in quoted-
                 /  "," / ";" / ":" / "\" / <">  ;  string, to use
                 /  "." / "[" / "]"              ;  within a word.


It looks to me as though

    #!/bin/sh++@[1.2.3.4]

is a perfectly valid email address.  If Mailman can't handle this, then
IMHO Mailman is broken.  "Be liberal in what you accept, and
conservative in what you emit."

        Greg
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MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From shekarp at pcweb.com  Thu Aug 16 15:55:54 2001
From: shekarp at pcweb.com (Shekar Pasumarthi)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:55:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question...
Message-ID: <4.3.0.20010816065203.02032d80@pcweb.com>

I am a new user of Mailman. I am seeing lot of files getting accumulated in 
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles. Have I setup something wrong.  They are *.db and 
*.msg files.

Thanks
Shekar




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug 16 17:17:07 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:17:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question...
In-Reply-To: <4.3.0.20010816065203.02032d80@pcweb.com>; from shekarp@pcweb.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 06:55:54AM -0700
References: <4.3.0.20010816065203.02032d80@pcweb.com>
Message-ID: <20010816111707.A1457@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 August 2001, Shekar Pasumarthi said:
> I am a new user of Mailman. I am seeing lot of files getting accumulated in 
> /usr/local/mailman/qfiles. Have I setup something wrong.  They are *.db and 
> *.msg files.

Did you setup your cron jobs, specifically qrunner?  This is all in the
README file.

        Greg



From syntax at crackcrew.org  Thu Aug 16 17:23:04 2001
From: syntax at crackcrew.org (=?iso-8859-1?Q?matt?=)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:23:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Is_there_anyway_to_strip_text_from_the_subject_when_users_send_email_to_the_list=3F?=
Message-ID: <8769.208.58.123.69.997975384.squirrel@civic.crackcrew.org>

Is there any way to strip certain text from the subject before the subject
prefix is added?  I would like to strip out the "subject prefix text" from
the subject if it is already there so that you dont end up with multiple
prefix's in the emails, it tends to be annoying looking at a subject that
has [listname] RE: [listname] FWD: [listname] RE: subject finaly.

Thanks,
Matt





From rbley at softwares.com  Thu Aug 16 17:45:06 2001
From: rbley at softwares.com (Roderick Bley)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:45:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrict Senders
Message-ID: <3B7BEA7F.9AB0A272@softwares.com>

I have created a list, that i only want three persons to be able to
submit mail to the list

Within the privacy options I have listed the three addresses of members
accepted for posting  etc.....

I have tried the "restrict posting privilege..." to both No and Yes
without succes.

Any furhter suggestions

TIA

roderick bley

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From devdas at worldgatein.net  Thu Aug 16 15:15:15 2001
From: devdas at worldgatein.net (Devdas Bhagat)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:45:15 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A19D@NETIVITY-FS>
References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A19D@NETIVITY-FS>
Message-ID: <01081618510703.05834@office.interoffice>

On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Enriko Groen spewed into the ether:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Gibbs [mailto:david at midrange.com]
> > 
> > How do you deal with a slash '/' in the email address of a subscriber?
> 
> Reply to the user stating to get another/different emailaddress.
> Using things like '/' and '&' in your mailadress is basicly a bad idea.
A bad idea for those of us who run *nix systems. Nothing wrong from a
Windows POV and from a X.500 schema POV, which is what the original
mail subscriber seems to be complaining about..

> You might solve the problem for him, but on another server he will have the
> same problem.
> People are free not to follow standards, but they should not complain if
> things fail.
The only invalid character would be a @, which acts as a separator and
hence has to be unique.
By convention, %, + and/or - have acquired special meanings to various
pieces of software, and therefore should not be used.
The / has no such restriction. Mailman has a problem in that it *has*
to remove shell metacharacters and / for system security (given that
the list is being passed to a program). 
Maybe David can find the whitelist of characters in mailman and add the
/ to those to solve his problem. This remains a bad idea, however, from
a security POV.

Devdas Bhagat
--
... I want a COLOR T.V. and a VIBRATING BED!!!



From papier at sdv.fr  Thu Aug 16 18:38:31 2001
From: papier at sdv.fr (Laurent Papier)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:38:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stats ?
Message-ID: <200108161620.f7GGKsJ23187@factorix.sdv.fr>

Hi,
I want to generate mailman usage stats (not http acces to mailman web interface).
For example, I need to know how many mails where send on every mailing list, the number of subscribers, ...
As mailman is really nice, it seems that I shouldn't be too hard using prog in ~mailman/bin and logs in ~mailman/logs.

So before starting writing my own stats apps, I want to know if there is already one ?
I have not found any reference on mailman web site.

Thanks
-- 
Laurent Papier - Admin. systeme
Sdv Plurimedia - 



From david at midrange.com  Thu Aug 16 19:11:26 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:11:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
In-Reply-To: <20010816084127.B623@mems-exchange.org> from "Greg Ward" at Aug 16, 2001 08:41:27 AM
Message-ID: <200108161711.f7GHBQq22844@linux.midrange.com>

> > Reply to the user stating to get another/different emailaddress.
> Many people don't have control over what their email address is; it may
> be chosen by some faraway pinhead IT type.

This is exactly the case.  The subscriber reports that the Lotus Notes
administrator says there's nothing they can do about it right now 
(lame).  This is one of the reasons I really hate Lotus Notes.

> > People are free not to follow standards, but they should not complain if
> > things fail.
> ... the relevant standard here, RFC 822, is quite liberal in what
> constitutes an email address.  (Probably necessary because it predates
> the days of "everyone" being "username at example.com" -- and becaue there
> are indeed people out there with slashes, percent signs, and so forth in
> their email addresses.

Thanks for that info!

> is a perfectly valid email address.  If Mailman can't handle this, then
> IMHO Mailman is broken.  "Be liberal in what you accept, and
> conservative in what you emit."

I would be more than willing to help someone, more versed in Python
than I, debug a patch.  I'm running 2.0.6 of Mailman.

david




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug 16 19:39:56 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:39:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrict Senders
In-Reply-To: <3B7BEA7F.9AB0A272@softwares.com>; from rbley@softwares.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 10:45:06AM -0500
References: <3B7BEA7F.9AB0A272@softwares.com>
Message-ID: <20010816133956.B1775@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 August 2001, Roderick Bley said:
> I have created a list, that i only want three persons to be able to
> submit mail to the list
> 
> Within the privacy options I have listed the three addresses of members
> accepted for posting  etc.....
> 
> I have tried the "restrict posting privilege..." to both No and Yes
> without succes.

Please define success: what did you try, what did you expect to happen,
and what actually happened?

Also, what version of Mailman is this, what version of Python, what OS,
etc. etc.

        Greg
-- 
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MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Aug 16 20:02:54 2001
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:02:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation
References: 
Message-ID: <3B7C0ACE.91DA678A@nleaudio.com>

I still got these errors on -any- message going to a particular list.

I ended up solving the problem by deleting the list and re-installing it, but what was the problem?

Bob

Aug 15 13:19:00 2001 (11892) Delivery exception: illegal argument type for built
-in operation
Aug 15 13:19:00 2001 (11892) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Replybot.py", line 78, in process
    text = mlist.autoresponse_postings_text % d
TypeError: illegal argument type for built-in operation



From rbley at softwares.com  Thu Aug 16 20:21:22 2001
From: rbley at softwares.com (Roderick Bley)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:21:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrict Senders
References: <3B7BEA7F.9AB0A272@softwares.com> <20010816133956.B1775@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3B7C0F1F.57BD9D84@softwares.com>

I will have to consult with our mail system admin (who is on vacation) on
some of your questions

What I am expecting is that only the three users I have setup will be able
to Send any messages to the list subscribers

I assumed that the "restricted postin privilege...." set to Yes would have
limited who can send to this list.  but this was not the case....a fourth
user (who is a subscriber of the list) was able to send a message to the
list of subsribers

Mailman Version 2.0.1

sorry that I am not able to reply to your other questions at this time

roderick bley

Greg Ward wrote:

> On 16 August 2001, Roderick Bley said:
> > I have created a list, that i only want three persons to be able to
> > submit mail to the list
> >
> > Within the privacy options I have listed the three addresses of members
> > accepted for posting  etc.....
> >
> > I have tried the "restrict posting privilege..." to both No and Yes
> > without succes.
>
> Please define success: what did you try, what did you expect to happen,
> and what actually happened?
>
> Also, what version of Mailman is this, what version of Python, what OS,
> etc. etc.
>
>         Greg
> --
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>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From b.j.smith at ieee.org  Thu Aug 16 20:45:26 2001
From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan-TheBS-Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:45:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman setup: would like to insert old archives into new archives
Message-ID: <3B7C14C6.1227C19D@ieee.org>

New Mailman setup: would like to insert old archives into new archives

All --

I have just setup a Mailman server.  Everything is working fine.

My delima?

How to I insert old archives for my lists into the new Mailman
archives?  The old archives are already in mbox format, separated by
list name (e.g., I have 3 lists, I have 3 mbox files with all the old
posts).

Thanx in advance and sorry if this has been answered before (I looked
through the FAQ/HOWTO/list.org docs and a Google/Linux search before
posting to no avail).

-- TheBS

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From arpajian at syr.edu  Thu Aug 16 21:28:13 2001
From: arpajian at syr.edu (Dean Arpajian)
Date: 16 Aug 2001 15:28:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman setup: would like to insert Mailman, exim, & cron setup
Message-ID: <933336842arpajian@syr.edu>

Hello...
have two (hopefully) small problems with an install

exim panic log gives me:

2001-08-16 13:18:33 15XQmv-0000Xn-00 Neither the system_aliases
director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery
of |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokesters

these lines are included in my /etc/aliases file:

mailman: postmaster
mailman-owner: mailman
mailman-request: mailman
mailman-admin: mailman

## jokesters mailing list
## created: 16-Aug-2001 mailman
jokesters:               "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post jokesters"
jokesters-admin:         "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner jokesters"
jokesters-request:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokesters"
owner-jokesters:         jokesters-admin
jokesters-owner:         jokesters-admin

and in exim.conf has these:

######################################################################
#                    MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS                     #
######################################################################

# home dir for mailman
MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/lib/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_UID=mailman
MAILMAN_GID=mailman


then in the transports section:

# Transports section
#
# Three transports for list mail, request mail and admin mail
# respectively
# Mailman is installed in MAILMAN_HOME
# Mailman is configured to be invoked as user mailman
list_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

list_request_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

list_admin_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

# end of transports section fragment

then directly after the system_aliases in directors:

list_owner_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   suffix = "-owner"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

owner_list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   prefix = "owner-"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

list_admin_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -admin
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_admin_transport

list_request_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -request
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_request_transport

list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_transport

# End of directors fragment

So any hints as to what I am doing wrong?

Also I get the following cron nasties (first one happens during a cgi submit, second one is periodic):

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info


Any (hopefully verbose) help would be appreciated...

tia,

-dean





From arpajian at syr.edu  Thu Aug 16 21:50:21 2001
From: arpajian at syr.edu (Dean Arpajian)
Date: 16 Aug 2001 15:50:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, exim, & cron setup
Message-ID: <933338171dean_arpajian@isr.syr.edu>

(sorry about the wrong subject line in previous post)

Hello...
have two (hopefully) small problems with an install

exim panic log gives me:

2001-08-16 13:18:33 15XQmv-0000Xn-00 Neither the system_aliases
director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery
of |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokesters

these lines are included in my /etc/aliases file:

mailman: postmaster
mailman-owner: mailman
mailman-request: mailman
mailman-admin: mailman

## jokesters mailing list
## created: 16-Aug-2001 mailman
jokesters:               "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post jokesters"
jokesters-admin:         "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner jokesters"
jokesters-request:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokesters"
owner-jokesters:         jokesters-admin
jokesters-owner:         jokesters-admin

and in exim.conf has these:

######################################################################
#                    MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS                     #
######################################################################

# home dir for mailman
MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/lib/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_UID=mailman
MAILMAN_GID=mailman


then in the transports section:

# Transports section
#
# Three transports for list mail, request mail and admin mail
# respectively
# Mailman is installed in MAILMAN_HOME
# Mailman is configured to be invoked as user mailman
list_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

list_request_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

list_admin_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

# end of transports section fragment

then directly after the system_aliases in directors:

list_owner_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   suffix = "-owner"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

owner_list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   prefix = "owner-"
   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

list_admin_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -admin
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_admin_transport

list_request_director:
   driver = smartuser
   suffix = -request
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_request_transport

list_director:
   driver = smartuser
   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
   transport = list_transport

# End of directors fragment

So any hints as to what I am doing wrong?

Also I get the following cron nasties (first one happens during a cgi submit, second one is periodic):

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info


Any (hopefully verbose) help would be appreciated...

tia,

-dean





From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug 16 21:54:44 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:54:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman setup: would like to insert Mailman, exim, & cron setup
In-Reply-To: <933336842arpajian@syr.edu>; from arpajian@syr.edu on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 03:28:13PM -0400
References: <933336842arpajian@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20010816155444.D2370@mems-exchange.org>

On 16 August 2001, Dean Arpajian said:
> Hello...
> have two (hopefully) small problems with an install
> 
> exim panic log gives me:
> 
> 2001-08-16 13:18:33 15XQmv-0000Xn-00 Neither the system_aliases
> director nor the address_pipe transport set a uid for local delivery
> of |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokesters
> 
> these lines are included in my /etc/aliases file:
> 
> mailman: postmaster
> mailman-owner: mailman
> mailman-request: mailman
> mailman-admin: mailman
> 
> ## jokesters mailing list
> ## created: 16-Aug-2001 mailman
> jokesters:               "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post jokesters"
> jokesters-admin:         "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner jokesters"
> jokesters-request:       "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd jokesters"
> owner-jokesters:         jokesters-admin
> jokesters-owner:         jokesters-admin

This is your problem.  Do NOT add per-list aliases to the aliases file
when using Exim with Mailman.  That stuff is only necessary for
Sendmail.  The only aliases you need to define for Mailman-over-Exim are
mailman and mailman-owner.  (I don't think mailman-request or
mailman-admin can hurt, though.)

        Greg



From a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it  Thu Aug 16 10:44:28 2001
From: a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it (a.marcedone at tiscalinet.it)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:44:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Transfer Mailman from other Hard Disk and Operating System
Message-ID: <002101c1262f$a9318dc0$fa00a8c0@homelan.org>

Problem:
currently my server run under Mandrake 7.2, and i have installed Mailman
with 4 active mailing list.

Now I have in mind to add another HD and running the server with Red Hat
7.1.

How I migrate mailman and the active mailing list without problems for the
user?

Tnx in advance.
Alberto Marcedone
Italy





From vibhavlal at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 16 22:44:57 2001
From: vibhavlal at yahoo.com (vibhav lal)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:44:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help needed!
Message-ID: <20010816204457.4988.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have recently installed mailman 2.0.6 on my linux
redhat 6.2 I would like to know how to use mailman to
it's full extent. Your help would be greatly
appriciated.

Thanks in advance

Vibhav

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From admin at shellworld.net  Thu Aug 16 23:39:49 2001
From: admin at shellworld.net (Ken Scott)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:39:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain Support?
Message-ID: 

I've seen some mention in the docs that Mailman can support virtual
domains, but haven't been able to find any step-by-step instructions on
how to make it do so.  Could someone possibly point me in the direction of
such instructions or give me at least a brief overview of what they are?
This is for Mailman v2.0 with ssendmail 8.9.3.

Thanks.

--
Ken,
admin at shellworld.net





From jwalcik at notwithstanding.org  Thu Aug 16 23:48:51 2001
From: jwalcik at notwithstanding.org (jacob walcik)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:48:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_URL ignored?
Message-ID: 

specifics:
debian potato (ppc)
python 2.1.1
mailman 2.0.6 (installed from source)
apache 1.3.20

the mailman cgi's seem to be ignoring the DEFAULT_URL directive in some of
the html they're generating.  the listserv functionality is working just
fine, but the web interface seems to be ignoring the DEFAULT_URL directive
i have specified in my mm_cfg.py (i have it set to
http://mailman.iensemble.com/mailman/).  i've yet to find another site
that
has this problem, so i don't know if it's something that has a well known
fix that i've yet to stumble across, or something strange specific to my
setup.

for an example, look here:
http://mailman.iensemble.com/mailman/listinfo

there's a link inline with the text that says "the list admin overview
page", this link works just fine, notice the url it links to includes the
/mailman/.

there are also two links for the list's i've created, "Blah" and "Test".
neither of these links work because they don't include the /mailman/ (and
if you look at the HTML source, they're actually relative links with
../../listinfo/blah instead of the full url for the page they're linking
to).

i've tried setting the DEFAULT_URL to the other hostname the machine
answers to, i've tried setting the DEFAULT_URL in Defaults.py (i know this
is a no-no, but i was curious), i've tried specifying it with the stated
required "/" on the end and without it, but it never seems to make a
difference.  can anyone tell me what i've done wrong?

-- 
jacob walcik
jwalcik at notwithstanding.org




From michael at firewing.org  Fri Aug 17 03:50:15 2001
From: michael at firewing.org (Michael Johnson - fw)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:50:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] different port
Message-ID: 

Hello. Mailman question:

I want to run my server on a different port, say, port 8080 but when I set
up mailman it doesn't work properly because it will point to 80 unless I
specify 8080 in the config and if I do it there, it adds :8080 to all the
email addresses in the mails it sent out---which is not complient with the
mail software. How do I fix this so I can run a server on a different port
and yet use the Mailman software?




From twchiou at ms6.hinet.net  Fri Aug 17 05:47:17 2001
From: twchiou at ms6.hinet.net (hinet)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:47:17 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The herder/foot became unreadable
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Hi everyone:

   I have just setup the mailman, under the Rehat 6.2 and Qmail....but when i send tested mail to the lists I created,
the herder/foot added by milman became unreadable, 

the foot should be:
    _______________________________________________
%(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)s@%(host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s

but it looked like:
     M????X??X?s7?tg?|?z{^?I&??i??b?V????R?????-????

The mail client was outlook running on Windows 2000(Tranditional Chinese version), but even I sent 
a pure English e-mail, the results were the same.... 

Any suggestion?

Caleb



From Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de  Fri Aug 17 09:47:22 2001
From: Oliver.Egginger at dvz.fh-giessen.de (Oliver Egginger)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:47:22 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domain Support?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <0108170747220H.20075@chaos.dvz.fh-giessen.de>

Mmm,

I am not sure, but a month ago, I send a question to the list
akin to yours.

Here is the answer I had got:

---------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:08:43 +0000 
Oliver Egginger  wrote:

> I have dozens of lists (in my LDAP-DB), who have the same local
> name and differ only from domain.


You will need to do multiple Mailman installs, one per domain.  At
this point Mailman does not support different lists of the same name
under multiple domains.  Mailman will however happily support
multiple lists at one domain, or multiple lists of different names
at different domains.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                             claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                                http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
I never claimed to be human.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe this will help you.



regard
Oliver








Your Message from Tu 16 August 2001 21:39:

> I've seen some mention in the docs that Mailman can support virtual
> domains, but haven't been able to find any step-by-step instructions on
> how to make it do so.  Could someone possibly point me in the direction of
> such instructions or give me at least a brief overview of what they are?
> This is for Mailman v2.0 with ssendmail 8.9.3.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Ken,
> admin at shellworld.net
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Fri Aug 17 14:46:18 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:46:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrict Senders
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1B7@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> I have created a list, that i only want three persons to be able to
> submit mail to the list
> 
> Within the privacy options I have listed the three addresses 
> of members
> accepted for posting  etc.....
> 
> I have tried the "restrict posting privilege..." to both No and Yes
> without succes.

Chris Kolar's Mailman Managers Guide at
http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html

has explanations under "Posting Priviledges Explained"




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Aug 17 16:04:59 2001
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:04:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] different port
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817145129.03240730@pop.ftel.co.uk>

At 18:50 16/08/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello. Mailman question:
>
>I want to run my server on a different port, say, port 8080 but when I set
>up mailman it doesn't work properly because it will point to 80 unless I
>specify 8080 in the config and if I do it there, it adds :8080 to all the
>email addresses in the mails it sent out---which is not complient with the
>mail software. How do I fix this so I can run a server on a different port
>and yet use the Mailman software?

I think you'll get the results you want if you add a line such as this:

DEFAULT_URL = 'http://your.webmachine.com:8080/mailman/'

to you $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, setting machine name and port number as 
required.





From amatta at atlas.puj.edu.co  Fri Aug 17 17:25:33 2001
From: amatta at atlas.puj.edu.co (Antonio MATTA)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:25:33 -0500 (COT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list (fwd)
Message-ID: 

Hello,

I have this problem. I am the system administrador of a mailman list
server. One list administrator change the adminitrator passwd and now does
not remember it. I wonder if there is a way to change an administrator
list passwd by a command line.

Thanks Antonio.




From david at midrange.com  Fri Aug 17 17:31:51 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:31:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list (fwd)
In-Reply-To:  from "Antonio MATTA" at Aug 17, 2001 10:25:33 AM
Message-ID: <200108171531.f7HFVpp10396@linux.midrange.com>

Try the mmsitepass program.

> I have this problem. I am the system administrador of a mailman list
> server. One list administrator change the adminitrator passwd and now does
> not remember it. I wonder if there is a way to change an administrator
> list passwd by a command line.



From listmgr at perilpoint.com  Fri Aug 17 20:20:13 2001
From: listmgr at perilpoint.com (Bradford Shaw)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:20:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] countering SPAM filtering
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20010817130850.00cc5a10@perilpoint.com>

Hello,

With the recent spam filtering methods that MSN, Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL, etc. 
email services are implementing to filter mailing list mail into bulk 
folders or worse, we need to quickly come up with some counter-procedures 
to get our customers' opt-in list subscribers receiving their mail again. A 
couple things that we would like to implement are:

(1) removing the Precedence: bulk header
     or changing it to something like 'private' or 'registered'

(2) to have the To: header addressed to the receiver
     instead of the list address

How or where would we make these changes?

I tried changing the CookHeaders.py but ended up blowing the delivery away. 
I ended up with over 200 X-BeenThere: headers on a test list. I don't know 
why that happened but I'm not going to worry about it right now. The most 
important thing is to get the filtering problem solved. Can anyone help?

Best wishes,
Bradford "Biff" Shaw
List Administrator
PerilPoint Communications Inc.
http://www.perilpoint.com




From eric-mailman at pretorious.net  Fri Aug 17 20:34:43 2001
From: eric-mailman at pretorious.net (eric-mailman at pretorious.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG REPORT: subscribe & handle_opts (fwd)
Message-ID: 

The handle_opts and the subscribe scripts insert bad HTML code
_before_and_after_ the HTML configured in the "Edit the HTML for the
Public List Pages" section:






...is inserted before the customized HTML and...




...is inserted after the customized HTML.




From aly.dharshi at uleth.ca  Fri Aug 17 21:51:42 2001
From: aly.dharshi at uleth.ca (Aly S.P Dharshi)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:51:42 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help
Message-ID: <3B7D216E.30821.3D957@localhost>

Hello,

	I have installed mailman 2.0.6 from the main site and its running on 
a RedHat 7.1/7.0 system. 

	I have it mounted over nfs. I have the webserver on a 7.1 box and 
the mail system (exim) on a 7.0 box

	This morning I have noticed messages such as these in the cron 
reports.

	Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 45, in ?
    from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ?
    from Archiver import *
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 33, in ?
    from Mailman import Mailbox
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 27, in ?
    class Mailbox(mailbox.UnixMailbox):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 31, in Mailbox
    _regexp = re.compile(_fromlinepattern)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/re.py", line 79, in compile
    code=pcre_compile(pattern, flags, groupindex)
pcre.error: ('nothing to repeat', 36)


	Even the newlist command produces an error e.g. newlist test

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./newlist", line 54, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 45, in ?
    from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ?
    from Archiver import *
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 33, in ?
    from Mailman import Mailbox
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 27, in ?
    class Mailbox(mailbox.UnixMailbox):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 31, in Mailbox
    _regexp = re.compile(_fromlinepattern)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/re.py", line 79, in compile
    code=pcre_compile(pattern, flags, groupindex)
pcre.error: ('nothing to repeat', 36)

	Any help would be much appreciated as I have no idea what is 
happening as it seemed work upto yesterday.

	Cheers,

	Aly.
	



From arpajian at syr.edu  Fri Aug 17 22:21:37 2001
From: arpajian at syr.edu (Dean Arpajian)
Date: 17 Aug 2001 16:21:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & exim
Message-ID: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu>

ok... I have only the following (mailman specific) in /etc/aliases:

mailman: postmaster
mailman-owner: mailman
mailman-request: mailman
mailman-admin: mailman

and the directors and transports are in exim.conf


but I get the following when sending the little "help" request (as outlined ing the "Your new mailing list" message):

>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
>recipients. The following address(es) failed:
>
>  test-request at shop.isr.syr.edu:
>    unknown local-part "test-request" in domain "shop.isr.syr.edu"


doesn't it seem as though I need more in aliases? or the directors/transports are broken?

any advice would be welcomed!

-dean






From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Aug 17 22:42:31 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:42:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & exim
In-Reply-To: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu>; from arpajian@syr.edu on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:21:37PM -0400
References: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20010817154230.K22483@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:21:37PM -0400, Dean Arpajian wrote:
> ok... I have only the following (mailman specific) in /etc/aliases:
> 
> mailman: postmaster
> mailman-owner: mailman
> mailman-request: mailman
> mailman-admin: mailman

You also need to cut-and-paste the list of aliases given to you by
newlist into your alias file.

> and the directors and transports are in exim.conf

Did you remember to add

user = list

to your aliasfile driver(s)?

-- 
With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not
safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox
"To prevent unauthorized reading..."         - Adobe eBook reader license



From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Fri Aug 17 22:47:32 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:47:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list (fwd)
Message-ID: <200108172047.NAA09888@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Or, slightly more completely: mmsitepass lets you set the "site"
password, which is the "master password to all lists"; then you
can get into the list admin page and change the list password
to whatever you like, using the site password to log in.

> Try the mmsitepass program.
> 
> > I have this problem. I am the system administrador of a mailman list
> > server. One list administrator change the adminitrator passwd and now does
> > not remember it. I wonder if there is a way to change an administrator
> > list passwd by a command line.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 17 22:52:58 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:52:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pcre traceback (was: Help)
In-Reply-To: <3B7D216E.30821.3D957@localhost>; from aly.dharshi@uleth.ca on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 01:51:42PM -0600
References: <3B7D216E.30821.3D957@localhost>
Message-ID: <20010817165258.A2820@mems-exchange.org>

On 17 August 2001, Aly S.P Dharshi said:
> 	I have installed mailman 2.0.6 from the main site and its running on 
> a RedHat 7.1/7.0 system. 

OK, but you haven't told us what Python version.  I suspect that's
important here!

Also, as an aside, subject lines like "Help" are pretty useless.  I
often delete such messages without bothering to read them, and I'm sure
lots of other people do.  

> 	Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
>     from Mailman import MailList
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 45, in ?
>     from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ?
>     from Archiver import *
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 33, in ?
>     from Mailman import Mailbox
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 27, in ?
>     class Mailbox(mailbox.UnixMailbox):
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 31, in Mailbox
>     _regexp = re.compile(_fromlinepattern)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/re.py", line 79, in compile
>     code=pcre_compile(pattern, flags, groupindex)
> pcre.error: ('nothing to repeat', 36)

Let's see if we can reproduce this error outside of Mailman.  Fire up a
Python interpreter:

  $ python

and at the ">>>" prompt enter:

  import re
  p = r'From \s*\S+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d\d?\s+' \
      r'\d\d?:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+\S+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$'
  re.compile(p)

For Python 1.5.2 or 1.6, Python should see print something like this:

  

For Python 2.0 and later, it should print something like this:

  

If you get one of those, you may have found a Mailman bug.  If instead
you get stack dump, you *might* have found a Python bug, but it's more
likely that there's something wrong with your Python installation.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 17 22:58:45 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:58:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & exim
In-Reply-To: <20010817154230.K22483@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 03:42:31PM -0500
References: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu> <20010817154230.K22483@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010817165845.C2820@mems-exchange.org>

On 17 August 2001, Dave Sherohman said:
> You also need to cut-and-paste the list of aliases given to you by
> newlist into your alias file.

NO!!  That's NOT needed when running Mailman-on-Exim with the fancy
directors and routers from Nigel Metheringham's HOWTO.  (Also in
Mailman's README.EXIM I believe.)

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 17 22:59:58 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & exim
In-Reply-To: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu>; from arpajian@syr.edu on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:21:37PM -0400
References: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu>
Message-ID: <20010817165958.D2820@mems-exchange.org>

On 17 August 2001, Dean Arpajian said:
> >A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> >recipients. The following address(es) failed:
> >
> >  test-request at shop.isr.syr.edu:
> >    unknown local-part "test-request" in domain "shop.isr.syr.edu"
> 
> doesn't it seem as though I need more in aliases? or the
> directors/transports are broken?

Run this on the mail server:

  exim -d3 test-request at shop.isr.syr.edu < /dev/null

Or -d4, -d5, ... -d9 until it's clear what's going wrong.

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Aug 17 23:03:34 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:03:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & exim
In-Reply-To: <20010817165845.C2820@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:58:45PM -0400
References: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu> <20010817154230.K22483@sherohman.org> <20010817165845.C2820@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20010817160334.N22483@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:58:45PM -0400, Greg Ward wrote:
> On 17 August 2001, Dave Sherohman said:
> > You also need to cut-and-paste the list of aliases given to you by
> > newlist into your alias file.
> 
> NO!!  That's NOT needed when running Mailman-on-Exim with the fancy
> directors and routers from Nigel Metheringham's HOWTO.  (Also in
> Mailman's README.EXIM I believe.)

Guess I haven't read that howto, then.  For my lists, I do just as I
said:  copy the aliases and add 'user = list' to the aliasfile
directors and It Just Works.  What's the advantage of Nigel's way?

-- 
With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not
safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox
"To prevent unauthorized reading..."         - Adobe eBook reader license



From aly.dharshi at uleth.ca  Fri Aug 17 23:12:11 2001
From: aly.dharshi at uleth.ca (Aly S.P Dharshi)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:12:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solve: pcre traceback (was: Help)
In-Reply-To: <20010817165258.A2820@mems-exchange.org>
References: <3B7D216E.30821.3D957@localhost>; from aly.dharshi@uleth.ca on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 01:51:42PM -0600
Message-ID: <3B7D344B.22259.362396@localhost>

Hi All, Greg,

On 17 Aug 2001, at 16:52, Greg Ward wrote:

> OK, but you haven't told us what Python version.  I suspect that's
> important here!
> 

	Yes, I am sorry that I neglected to provide this information, it 
is/was RedHat stock python 1.5.2 

> Also, as an aside, subject lines like "Help" are pretty useless.  I
> often delete such messages without bothering to read them, and I'm sure
> lots of other people do.  
> 

	Sorry, I will provide more useful subject lines.

> > 	Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
> >     from Mailman import MailList
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 45, in ?
> >     from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in ?
> >     from Archiver import *
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 33, in ?
> >     from Mailman import Mailbox
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 27, in ?
> >     class Mailbox(mailbox.UnixMailbox):
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 31, in Mailbox
> >     _regexp = re.compile(_fromlinepattern)
> >   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/re.py", line 79, in compile
> >     code=pcre_compile(pattern, flags, groupindex)
> > pcre.error: ('nothing to repeat', 36)
> 
> Let's see if we can reproduce this error outside of Mailman.  Fire up a
> Python interpreter:
> 
>   $ python
> 
> and at the ">>>" prompt enter:
> 
>   import re
>   p = r'From \s*\S+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d\d?\s+' \
>       r'\d\d?:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+\S+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$'
>   re.compile(p)
> 
> For Python 1.5.2 or 1.6, Python should see print something like this:
> 
>   
> 
> For Python 2.0 and later, it should print something like this:
> 
>   
> 
> If you get one of those, you may have found a Mailman bug.  If instead
> you get stack dump, you *might* have found a Python bug, but it's more
> likely that there's something wrong with your Python installation.

	I downloaded python 2.2 from ftp.python.org and yahoo!!! it seems to 
work again. I have no idea why it broke  before.

Some tests you asked me to perform:

[sysadmin at hermes /home/sysadmin]$ python1.5
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Mar  3 2001, 01:35:43)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat 
Linux 7.1 2 on linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>> import re
>>> p = r'From \s*\S+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d\d?\s+' \
... r'\d\d?:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+\S+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$'
>>> re.compile(p)
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "", line 1, in ?
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/re.py", line 79, in compile
    code=pcre_compile(pattern, flags, groupindex)
pcre.error: ('nothing to repeat', 36)
>>>

On Python V 2.2 a:

[sysadmin at hermes /home/sysadmin]$ python
Python 2.2a1 (#1, Jul 26 2001, 05:00:49)
[GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-81)] on linux2
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import re
>>> p = r'From \s*\S+\s+\w\w\w\s+\w\w\w\s+\d\d?\s+' \
... r'\d\d?:\d\d(:\d\d)?(\s+\S+)?\s+\d\d\d\d\s*$'
>>> re.compile(p)

>>>

	But it is now working, thanks for your help. 

	Cheers,

	Aly.



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Fri Aug 17 23:47:46 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:47:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & exim
In-Reply-To: <20010817160334.N22483@sherohman.org>; from esper@sherohman.org on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:03:34PM -0500
References: <933426446arpajian@syr.edu> <20010817154230.K22483@sherohman.org> <20010817165845.C2820@mems-exchange.org> <20010817160334.N22483@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20010817174746.A3133@mems-exchange.org>

On 17 August 2001, Dave Sherohman said:
> Guess I haven't read that howto, then.  For my lists, I do just as I
> said:  copy the aliases and add 'user = list' to the aliasfile
> directors and It Just Works.  What's the advantage of Nigel's way?

You don't have to edit the alias file after creating a list -- I gather
you just run newlist, and It Just Works.  ;-)

To each his own!

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jochen at hin.de  Fri Aug 17 23:57:46 2001
From: jochen at hin.de (Jochen Pawletta)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:57:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to approve per mail?
Message-ID: <20010817235746.A29610@joshua.hin.de>

Hi

How can I approve a mail without using the web-interface?
Is there a mechanism like the "Approved:"-Header in majordomo?

Where can I get a documentation about the email-interface?


Jochen



From arpajian at syr.edu  Sat Aug 18 00:35:34 2001
From: arpajian at syr.edu (Dean Arpajian)
Date: 17 Aug 2001 18:35:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman & exim
Message-ID: <933434484arpajian@syr.edu>

On Friday, 17 August, 2001 16.59hrs, Greg Ward  wrote:
>Run this on the mail server:
>
>  exim -d3 test-request at shop.isr.syr.edu < /dev/null
>
>Or -d4, -d5, ... -d9 until it's clear what's going wrong.

Yup... -d3 was what the doctor ordered!

had a break in my directors (doing the .deb method of install
split mailman between /usr/lib/ and /var/lib/ .  I had set MAILMAN_HOME
to /usr/lib/mailman when actually the lists/<..>/config.db is offa 
/var/lib/mailman

thanks!

-dean





From paul at phippin.com  Sat Aug 18 00:53:07 2001
From: paul at phippin.com (Paul Phippin)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:53:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size
Message-ID: <009f01c1276f$696eb280$a73586d9@tosh>

Hi there,

I am looking for a mailing list to handle 900 subscribers for a friend
(hopefully this will rise to approx 5,000).

He reports that other lists he has tried work OK up to around 400 - 500 and
then start falling over.

Is mailman suitable for the job ?

Thanks

Paul Phippin.




From jello at waste.org  Sat Aug 18 01:17:02 2001
From: jello at waste.org (John Ello)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'AttributeError: has_key' errors
Message-ID: 

Hi. The following error has been filling up my logs for a few weeks now. I
was using 2.0.1, and I just upgraded to 2.0.6 and it's still happening:


Aug 17 15:09:07 2001 (19548) Delivery exception: has_key
Aug 17 15:09:07 2001 (19548) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 140, in process
    hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval
    mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 148, in HoldMessage
    assert not self.__db.has_key(id)
AttributeError: has_key


This is on a Redhat 6.2+updates box. I've been running 2.0.1 without
problems since shortly after it came out, the problems started recently.
I've also been getting these errors mailed to me from cron (they're much
less frequent than the above errors, so I'm not sure if they'll continue
with 2.0.6):


(hostname replaced by ###)

Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:00:02 -0700
From: Cron Daemon 
To: mailman@###.org
Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 97, in
NumRequestsPending
    return len(self.__db)
TypeError: len() of unsized object


Does anyone know why this might be happening?

If you need any other info I would be more than happy to provide it.
Thanks much.

-- 
We don't believe in criminals.
   - (Young) Pioneers






From lists at xpec.com  Sat Aug 18 01:55:26 2001
From: lists at xpec.com (J.D. Bronson)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:55:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] passwords on 2.06
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817185352.00a6b818@ultra5.org>

I noticed all of a sudden that I can no longer login as the 'admin' to any 
of my lists....!?

No one has ANY access externally to the machine but me..so I was not hacked..


mmsitepass works OK...but even when I change the password and then 
logout/login again...NO LUCK!

any help? - I am sure of the old password and it doesnt work, but neither 
does changing it!




From rseymour at anarchysoftware.com  Sat Aug 18 04:37:53 2001
From: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com (Richard Seymour)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:37:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817185352.00a6b818@ultra5.org>
Message-ID: <3B7DD501.BBE57D5F@anarchysoftware.com>

I installed mailman 2.0.5 on a redhat 6.2 box running sendmail.

The box is named something in the form of server.domain.com. I set up a
list which basically works as far as I can tell, with one problem.

When users reply to a message, instead of the reply going to:

the-list at server.domain.com

...it goes to:

the-list at domain.com

That is, without the server name. Now, domain.com is handled by another
mailing system, so the messages bounce. If the user edits the reply
address to include the server name, all works well.

On the admin page, I have tried answering the "Where are replies to list
messages directed?" question in different ways to resolve the problem --
all to no avail. 

Answering "Poster" and replies go to the poster as expected. (If a user
hits "Reply All", it goes to the poster and the wrongly formed list
address. 

If I answer the question with "This List", reply goes to the wrongly
formed list address, not the proper one. 

And if I answer with "Explicit address" and manually enter the proper
list address, the name of the list in the reply field is still
malformed.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance

-- 
Richard Seymour, Anarchy Software, Inc.
rseymour at anarchysoftware.com

The opinions expressed are those of my employer, not my own.



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sat Aug 18 10:27:57 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:27:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size
In-Reply-To: <009f01c1276f$696eb280$a73586d9@tosh>
References: <009f01c1276f$696eb280$a73586d9@tosh>
Message-ID: <20010818102757.62b468d8.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:53:07 +0100
"Paul Phippin"  wrote:

> I am looking for a mailing list to handle 900 subscribers for a friend
> (hopefully this will rise to approx 5,000).
> He reports that other lists he has tried work OK up to around 400 - 500
> and then start falling over.
> Is mailman suitable for the job ?

Definately... I'm running a 3,000 list on very lowend hardware...
And I know there are mailman installations which run 10k or even more
subscribers successfully... I wonder which lists seem to have problems
with 400-500 users cause that is NOT much at all... 

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From paul at phippin.com  Sat Aug 18 11:38:31 2001
From: paul at phippin.com (Paul Phippin)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:38:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size
References: <009f01c1276f$696eb280$a73586d9@tosh> <20010818102757.62b468d8.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <004601c127c9$9388a440$7d3586d9@tosh>

Thanks, Rene, Shekar & Ricardo,

That's very helpful to know.

> I wonder which lists seem to have problems with 400-500 users

Yes, that was my first question too, but my friend couldn't remember what it
was called. He moved his list away to a well known ISP's mailing list about
a year ago, but that has been causing problems lately too, so he's looking
for a better solution.

>From what you've all said, I will suggest Mailman.

Many thanks

Paul.





From fgoossens at reference.be  Sat Aug 18 12:13:47 2001
From: fgoossens at reference.be (Frank Goossens)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:13:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size
Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F15B@pathfinder.reference.be>

hi paul;
we have been using an older version of mailman for two lists of approx. 3000
subscribers. we recently deployed mailman 2.0.x for a big customer of ours,
that has one list with 7000+ subscribers. we had some problems for that
larger list, but after some research we found out they were
configuration-related. the tendency seems to be not to use sendmail (but eg.
postfix, exim, ..). if you do use sendmail, configure mailman to use
smtpdirect.py and not (i repeat not) sendmail.py.

i also found some people on the list mentioning 20000+ subscribers, so..

good luck,
frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Phippin
To: mailman-users at python.org
Sent: 8/18/01 12:53 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size

Hi there,

I am looking for a mailing list to handle 900 subscribers for a friend
(hopefully this will rise to approx 5,000).

He reports that other lists he has tried work OK up to around 400 - 500
and
then start falling over.

Is mailman suitable for the job ?

Thanks

Paul Phippin.


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From paul at phippin.com  Sat Aug 18 15:58:36 2001
From: paul at phippin.com (Paul Phippin)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:58:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List size
References: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F15B@pathfinder.reference.be>
Message-ID: <031901c127ed$ea806520$9f3486d9@tosh>

Thanks Frank,

very useful to know.

best regards,

Paul.




From ser at perio.unlp.edu.ar  Sat Aug 18 20:40:11 2001
From: ser at perio.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio A. Kessler)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:40:11 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail: more fields
Message-ID: <002601c12815$370233c0$0300000a@kessler.com.ar>

hi,

is there a way I can show the To: & CC: fields in the archives ?

also, pipermail doesn't seem to be quoted-printable friendly...
(or I'm wrong ?)

/sergio





From spertus at mills.edu  Sun Aug 19 00:07:01 2001
From: spertus at mills.edu (Ellen Spertus)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:07:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Will pay for mailman installation
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010818150317.03df86b0@localhost>

After several unsuccessful attempts to install mailman, I would like to pay 
someone to install it for me on a RH 6.2 Linux box.  I'm in the Bay Area, 
but you could do the work remotely.  I'm using aolserver and qmail.  I'm 
thinking $100 would be reasonable, but feel free to submit higher or lower 
bids.

Ellen Spertus




From david at casti.com  Fri Aug 17 01:18:54 2001
From: david at casti.com (David Casti)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:18:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] running one list really slow
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010816191634.04a23920@axiom.casti.com>

Hi,

I have about 20 lists running on mailman 2.0.4 + sendmail here.  For the 
most part, they work fine.  There is one list with about 2700 members on 
it, though, which is really slow to process outgoing messages.  A single 
outgoing message to the list can take 5 or 10 minutes to process.

Are there any known issues which would cause mail to one list to be so 
slow, where other lists are running fine?  For example, can the subscriber 
list get corrupted, or ... ???  I don't think this is the local DNS issue 
which is mentioned as a known problem with sendmail, both because I've 
turned it off in sendmail.cf, and because other lists are not impacted.

Thanks,
David.




From garaux at garaux.com  Fri Aug 17 03:40:58 2001
From: garaux at garaux.com (Doug Garaux)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:40:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OK... I give up
Message-ID: <009101c126bd$aa145c20$7b01a8c0@win2k.local>

OK, I've been waiting on Mailman 2.X to get the better Mime support... because I just haven't been able to get 1.X with anything else to properly strip mime out.  Well I spent a few hours tonight hacking Python 2.1.1 onto my system, and then after finding the bug notices on mimelib also being needed, hacking that onto the system (because the python RPM I had didn't have the config directory in /usr/lib/python2.1 directory which the mimelib install needed.) - I'm sure most of this fun at greatest thanks to Red Hat for my sorrow.

So - all of that - everything installs... no more detected errors... but I still get mime on my posts: (I'd attach, but obvisouly since this list seems to strip Mime properly, it will obvisouly strip my included example.)

I'm now lost.  Any ideas out there?  Ditch Red Hat and try Mandrake 8 perhaps? (they at leats have native Python 2.X in their release)  I've found success for mail list archive to html in Mhonarc, but it severly lacks robust archive options (monthly archives, etc.)

I've been trying to set up a list for a Church for some time now; trying to set up locally to give some protection above a publically open list on a freelist server somewhere.  I just can't seem to find the right combination though here!

Thanks
Doug Garaux
garaux at garaux.com

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From jochen at hin.de  Fri Aug 17 18:11:12 2001
From: jochen at hin.de (Jochen Pawletta)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:11:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Info
Message-ID: <20010817181112.A27637@joshua.hin.de>

Hi

How can I mail to a list that requires approval?
I mean how can I approve the mail without using the Web-Interface?
How can I supply the Password in the mail which should be approved?
(In majordomo I can use the "Approved:"-Header ...)

Where can I find the Documentation of the mail-Interface of MailMan?


Jochen



From linux at hipertek.net  Fri Aug 17 20:46:25 2001
From: linux at hipertek.net (linux)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:46:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove users?
Message-ID: <01081713462500.03789@linux.hipertek.com>

Please help me to remove specific users in a list of mailman.
How to work remove_members? please send me  an example
Thanks.
Leandro Rache Sanchez: leandro at hipertek.net



From marc_news at valinux.com  Sat Aug 18 09:25:14 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:25:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rename a list
In-Reply-To: <15227.19242.722021.175539@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@zope.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:25:14AM -0400
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718105036.03294b88@mailhost.atext.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010724162112.077723d0@mailhost.atext.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20010725102106.03df3e80@mailhost.atext.com> <15227.19242.722021.175539@anthem.wooz.org>
Message-ID: <20010818002514.B13205@magic.merlins.org>

On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 12:25:14AM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> Comments, questions?
 
Holly crap, that was detailled :-)
I've usually skipped several steps in what you gave, but what you gave is
definitely it.
 
>    - Before you restart everything, you want to make one last check.
>      You're looking for files in the qfiles/ directory that may have
>      been addressed to the old list but weren't delivered before you
>      renamed the list.  Do something like the following:
> 
>      % cd /usr/local/mailman/qfiles
>      % grep oldname *.msg
> 
>      If you get no hits, skip to the next step, you've got nothing to
>      worry about.
 
I think I have simpler than all this:
- Stop the MTA from taking connections from the outside but have it still
  accept connections from localhost
  Suggested ways: 
  - use listen on interface directive in MTA if available
  - ip firewalling if available
  - remove default route or add bogus route that prevents the list server
    from receiving mail from the outside
- Run qrunner until the queue is empty or at least the messages for the
  list to rename are processed.
 
Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From sergio_kessler at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 18 18:18:36 2001
From: sergio_kessler at hotmail.com (Sergio A. Kessler)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:18:36 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail: more fields
Message-ID: 

hi,

is there a way I can show the To: & CC: fields in the archives ?

also, pipermail doesn't seem to be quoted-printable friendly...
(or I'm wrong ?)

/sergio



From brian at marxists.org  Sat Aug 18 18:57:09 2001
From: brian at marxists.org (Brian Basgen)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:57:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: The Mailman Wishlist
Message-ID: <200108181657.JAA21846@goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net>

Hello,

  Would you consider adding to your wish list:
	1.) send a  kind of "vacation message" to non-list members
	2.) the ability to reply to both the sender and the list
	
  The need we have is this: I help maintain a list of 8 volunteers. 
Readers send various questions to our list, and when we answer the mails 
we reply to the reader (who is not a list subscriber) and to the list -- 
so other list members know the question has been answered (and how it 
was answered). Sometimes though no one on the list answers a mail sent 
to us. So it'd be nice that every time a reader sent in a request, they 
got a mail back saying we received your mail and if you don't hear back 
from us in a week, write us again (with a little explanation of how 
group responsibility can allow some things to slip between the 
cracks! :) The second wish is more minor -- sometimes list members 
forget to send their reply to the list so it only makes it to the reader 
(who is our default reply-to).

  Thanks for your consideration, and for building a fantastic product! :)

Comradely,

  Brian Basgen

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From dbrauer at qwest.net  Sun Aug 19 05:54:01 2001
From: dbrauer at qwest.net (David Brauer)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:54:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling attachments
Message-ID: <000801c12862$960a0670$0200000a@NOTEBOOK>

I know you guys get this question a million times, but I'm looking for a simple command line to add to the "Hold Posts with header value matching a specified regexp."

I'm not looking to ban HTML -- too much review -- but I do want to stop any post with an attachment. I had a command "Content-Disposition:.*attachment" (without quotes) but it doesn't seem to be doing me much good.

If anyone can recommend another command, I'd be most grateful. Please send to dbrauer at qwest.net

Sincerely,
David Brauer
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From dbrauer at uswest.net  Sun Aug 19 15:06:07 2001
From: dbrauer at uswest.net (David Brauer)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:06:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Denying attachments
Message-ID: <001301c128af$b5ca33c0$0400000a@david>

I know you guys get this question a million times, but I've never seen a
simple answer:

I'm looking for a simple command line to add to the "Hold Posts with
header value matching a specified regexp."

I'm not looking to ban HTML -- too much review -- but I do want to stop
any post with an attachment. I had a command
"Content-Disposition:.*attachment" (without the quotes) but it doesn't
seem to be doing me much good.

If anyone can recommend another command, I'd be most grateful. Please =
send to dbrauer at uswest.net

Sincerely,
David Brauer




From dbrauer at uswest.net  Sun Aug 19 15:25:18 2001
From: dbrauer at uswest.net (David Brauer)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:25:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apologies
Message-ID: <001501c128b2$639e6820$0400000a@david>

Also, apologies for my first HTML-encrusted message. I was using an
unfamiliar email program. Sorry for that.

David Brauer




From jfesler at gigo.com  Sun Aug 19 19:02:33 2001
From: jfesler at gigo.com (Jason Fesler)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 10:02:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Denying attachments
In-Reply-To: <001301c128af$b5ca33c0$0400000a@david>
Message-ID: <20010819100048.L698-100000@heaven.gigo.com>

> I'm not looking to ban HTML -- too much review -- but I do want to stop
> any post with an attachment. I had a command
> "Content-Disposition:.*attachment" (without the quotes) but it doesn't
> seem to be doing me much good.

I'm doing things slightly different.

  http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html

This gem strips the attachments, and *additionally* looks for the best
form of *plain text* it can get out of the message.  If it is ascii +
html, it keeps the ascii.  HTML only? no problem, it renders it to ascii.
In any event, what comes *out* has no attachments, and is *plain* ascii.
We haven't seen a single inappropriate (for *type* of content at least)
post hit the lists since.




From david at midrange.com  Mon Aug 20 01:03:00 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:03:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Denying attachments
In-Reply-To: <20010819100048.L698-100000@heaven.gigo.com>
References: <001301c128af$b5ca33c0$0400000a@david>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010819180144.0235d340@linux.midrange.com>

There's a pretty cool patch to Mailman that integrates similar functionality.

Check out the sourceforge page and look at the patches.

david

At 12:02 PM 8/19/2001, Jason Fesler wrote:
> > I'm not looking to ban HTML -- too much review -- but I do want to stop
> > any post with an attachment. I had a command
> > "Content-Disposition:.*attachment" (without the quotes) but it doesn't
> > seem to be doing me much good.
>
>I'm doing things slightly different.
>
>   http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html
>
>This gem strips the attachments, and *additionally* looks for the best
>form of *plain text* it can get out of the message.  If it is ascii +
>html, it keeps the ascii.  HTML only? no problem, it renders it to ascii.
>In any event, what comes *out* has no attachments, and is *plain* ascii.
>We haven't seen a single inappropriate (for *type* of content at least)
>post hit the lists since.

--
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| WWW: http://david.fallingrock.net
|
| Expect me when you see me.




From jello at waste.org  Mon Aug 20 04:37:59 2001
From: jello at waste.org (John Ello)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'AttributeError: has_key' errors
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

In case anyone is wondering, I traced it down to a bad request.db file for
one of my lists. It seems that mailman/cron/checkdbs checks those files,
but mailman/bin/check_db does not. I removed it, and it seems to have been
regenerated ok.

On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, John Ello wrote:

> Hi. The following error has been filling up my logs for a few weeks now. I
> was using 2.0.1, and I just upgraded to 2.0.6 and it's still happening:
>
>
> Aug 17 15:09:07 2001 (19548) Delivery exception: has_key
> Aug 17 15:09:07 2001 (19548) Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
>     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 140, in process
>     hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost)
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval
>     mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 148, in HoldMessage
>     assert not self.__db.has_key(id)
> AttributeError: has_key
>
>
> This is on a Redhat 6.2+updates box. I've been running 2.0.1 without
> problems since shortly after it came out, the problems started recently.
> I've also been getting these errors mailed to me from cron (they're much
> less frequent than the above errors, so I'm not sure if they'll continue
> with 2.0.6):
>
>
> (hostname replaced by ###)
>
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:00:02 -0700
> From: Cron Daemon 
> To: mailman@###.org
> Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S /usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
>     count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
>   File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 97, in
> NumRequestsPending
>     return len(self.__db)
> TypeError: len() of unsized object
>
>
> Does anyone know why this might be happening?
>
> If you need any other info I would be more than happy to provide it.
> Thanks much.
>
> --
> We don't believe in criminals.
>    - (Young) Pioneers
>
>
>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

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From cra at bigfatpipe.net  Mon Aug 20 07:08:42 2001
From: cra at bigfatpipe.net (Talk to the switch, 'cause the router ain't listening.)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 22:08:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim, Mailman, Lag (Not DNS)
Message-ID: 

Greetings.  We've got Mailman installed over Exim, and the setup was
amazingly pain free.

However, we're now having some lag problems.  We also have Majordomo
running on this same server, with no lag issues.  Here's what I'm finding
for _all_ Mailman lists on our system.

A message arrives at the list server, exim hands it off to list_transport:

; Aug 16 15:49:40 diverter exim[8550]: 2001-08-16 15:49:40 15XVxK-0002Dt-00
;   => a_list  D=list_director T=list_transport

Up to 30 minutes later (less in this example), Mailman records that it has
a post and starts processing.

; Aug 16 16:04:11 2001 (8653) post to cabal from an_address at the.net,
;   size=186, success

Mailman then hands the message back to Exim for delivery, usually within
seconds.

So... the lag is consistently showing up between list_transport and
Mailman seeing that a post is waiting.  I expect this is in the qrunner
architecture somewhere, but I'm not familliar enough with python to
recognize what I'm looking at in the code.

Has anyone run into this issue, or have any ideas?

-CA

-- Christopher R. Allen ------------- cra at bigfatpipe.net --
-- "The art of life lies in constant readjustment to our --
-- surroundings." ----------------------- Okakura Kakuzo --





From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Mon Aug 20 09:12:32 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 20 Aug 2001 09:12:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Need Info
In-Reply-To: Jochen Pawletta's message of "Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:11:12 +0200"
References: <20010817181112.A27637@joshua.hin.de>
Message-ID: 

Jochen Pawletta  writes:

> I mean how can I approve the mail without using the Web-Interface?

No way.

 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

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From jajoa at wmdata.com  Mon Aug 20 09:53:58 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:53:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upg 2.0.6 -> 2.1a2
Message-ID: 

Upgrading mentions reloading misc/crontab to get the correct crontab. But i
cant find such a file in the archive. Whats the proper thing to do to
upgrade crontab correctly?



From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Mon Aug 20 10:07:00 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:07:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove users?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1C5@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux [mailto:linux at hipertek.net]
> 
> Please help me to remove specific users in a list of mailman.
> How to work remove_members? please send me  an example

You can find the syntax when you run remove_members without any parameters.



animal# bin/remove_members
Remove members from a list.

Usage:
    remove_members [options] listname [addr1 ...]

Options:

    --file=file
    -f file
        Remove member addresses found in the given file.  If file is
        `-', read stdin.

    --all
    -a
        Remove all members of the mailing list.

    --help
    -h
        Print this help message and exit.

    listname is the name of the mailing list to use.

    addr1 ... are additional addresses to remove.


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From jajoa at wmdata.com  Mon Aug 20 10:03:40 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:03:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upg 2.0.6 -> 2.1a2
Message-ID: 

>Upgrading mentions reloading misc/crontab to get the correct crontab. But i
>cant find such a file in the archive. Whats the proper thing to do to
>upgrade crontab correctly?

Oh, it was in cron/crontab.in

Sorry :)



From support at gn.apc.org  Mon Aug 20 14:09:12 2001
From: support at gn.apc.org (GreenNet User Support)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:09:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
Message-ID: 

I need to manually unsubscribe a user from a mailman lists (i.e. not
through the HTML interface.

Can someone tell me the name of the file I have to edit.  I thought it
would have been located in the listname/config.db file but I can't find it
there.

Phil Carr







From support at gn.apc.org  Mon Aug 20 14:55:44 2001
From: support at gn.apc.org (GreenNet User Support)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:55:44 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Thanks for the help so far.  This appears to be a little more complicated

The reason I was trying to manually unsubscribe the user was this:

In the membership management panel the subscribers address appears like
this (underlined in blue of course) including the / at the end:

masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in /

When I try to unsubscribe them In mailman I get the error message:

Error Unsubscribing:
masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in -- Not subscribed 


and if I use the the remove_subscribers command typing the address with
and wihtout the / I get:

news:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./remove_members* creativx-l
masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in
User `masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in' not found.
news:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./remove_members* creativx-l
masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in /
User `masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in' not found.
User `/' not found.

I'm assuming that this address was spelt wrong and was included from a
mass subscribe or something like that.

Cheers

Phil



On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, frank goossens wrote:

> do not try to edit the config.db, use the command line programs (located
> in ~mailman/bin) to do so:
> 
> echo  | ./remove_members -f - 
> 
> or, if you write the user(s) you want to remove a batch of users, which
> you wrote to a textfile (one email-adress per line)
> 
> ./remove_members -f  
> 
> good luck,
> frank
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: GreenNet User Support [mailto:support at gn.apc.org]
> > Sent: maandag 20 augustus 2001 14:09
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I need to manually unsubscribe a user from a mailman lists (i.e. not
> > through the HTML interface.
> > 
> > Can someone tell me the name of the file I have to edit.  I thought it
> > would have been located in the listname/config.db file but I 
> > can't find it
> > there.
> > 
> > Phil Carr
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 








From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Mon Aug 20 15:03:36 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:03:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1CD@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: GreenNet User Support [mailto:support at gn.apc.org]
> 
> news:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./remove_members* creativx-l
> masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in
> User `masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in' not found.
> news:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./remove_members* creativx-l
> masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in /
> User `masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in' not found.
> User `/' not found.

Try:
bin/remove_members creativx-l "masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in /"

If that doesn't work:
1. list all members to a file
2. remove the "/" address from the file
3. run remove_members --all to completely wipe all members
4. add members from the file again

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From mrx at us.ibm.com  Mon Aug 20 15:29:39 2001
From: mrx at us.ibm.com (Gary Gaydos)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:29:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slash in email address???
Message-ID: <3B8110C3.9A6D5F5F@us.ibm.com>

>> > Reply to the user stating to get another/different emailaddress.
>> Many people don't have control over what their email address is; it may
>> be chosen by some faraway pinhead IT type.
>
>This is exactly the case.  The subscriber reports that the Lotus Notes
>administrator says there's nothing they can do about it right now 
>(lame).  This is one of the reasons I really hate Lotus Notes.

I'll preface this by saying I am not a Lotus Notes/Domino expert.
The way lotus notes is configured at work we have a lotus notes
"long" name, and an internet email address.  The notes long name
takes the form of   name/location/notesdomain.  The internet email
address is the conventional  userid at emaildomain.  When someone
not using notes wishes to send me email they address it to
userid at emaildomain and it gets aliased to name/location/notesdomain.

In otherwords, I'm not sure of your users notes configuration but
they may have a friendlier email id that they're unaware of, and
that friendlier id is aliased to the notes id that they're familiar
with.


>
>> > People are free not to follow standards, but they should not complain if
>> > things fail.
>> ... the relevant standard here, RFC 822, is quite liberal in what
>> constitutes an email address.  (Probably necessary because it predates
>> the days of "everyone" being "username at example.com" -- and becaue there
>> are indeed people out there with slashes, percent signs, and so forth in
>> their email addresses.
>
>Thanks for that info!
>
>> is a perfectly valid email address.  If Mailman can't handle this, then
>> IMHO Mailman is broken.  "Be liberal in what you accept, and
>> conservative in what you emit."
>
>I would be more than willing to help someone, more versed in Python
>than I, debug a patch.  I'm running 2.0.6 of Mailman.
>
>david


-- 
Regards, Gary Gaydos
t/l 441 6592

IBM Linux Technology Center



From jake at groupserve.com  Mon Aug 20 15:30:14 2001
From: jake at groupserve.com (J . Davis)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Welcome to the "Mailman-Users" mailing list
In-Reply-To: ; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:55:13AM -0400
References: 
Message-ID: <20010820093014.A14206@mail1.groupserve.com>

Hi,

Can anyone point me to information for setting up a list of lists/umbrella list?
I'm using the version 1.1 of Mailman that comes with Debian/potato.

Thanks,
-Jake




From support at gn.apc.org  Mon Aug 20 15:39:49 2001
From: support at gn.apc.org (GreenNet User Support)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:39:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1CD@NETIVITY-FS>
Message-ID: 

Hi Enriko


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: GreenNet User Support [mailto:support at gn.apc.org]
> > 
> > news:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./remove_members* creativx-l
> > masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in
> > User `masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in' not found.
> > news:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./remove_members* creativx-l
> > masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in /
> > User `masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in' not found.
> > User `/' not found.


This worked:

> Try:
> bin/remove_members creativx-l "masssmb at dte.vsnl.net.in /"


Thanks that is very useful, there are several addresses like this one

One more question how do you list all the members to a file as in point 1
below ? Is there an easy way to do it ?


> If that doesn't work:
> 1. list all members to a file
> 2. remove the "/" address from the file
> 3. run remove_members --all to completely wipe all members
> 4. add members from the file again

Best Wishes

Regards,

Phil Carr

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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Mon Aug 20 15:48:14 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:48:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1D2@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: GreenNet User Support [mailto:support at gn.apc.org]

> One more question how do you list all the members to a file 
> as in point 1
> below ? Is there an easy way to do it ?

bin/list_members listname

you could redirect that to a file or pipe it to grep.

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From fgoossens at reference.be  Mon Aug 20 14:18:46 2001
From: fgoossens at reference.be (Frank Goossens)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:18:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F172@pathfinder.reference.be>

do not try to edit the config.db, use the command line programs (located in
~mailman/bin) to do so:

echo  | ./remove_members -f - 

or, if you write the user(s) you want to remove a batch of users, which you
wrote to a textfile (one email-adress per line)

./remove_members -f  

good luck,
frank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: GreenNet User Support [mailto:support at gn.apc.org]
> Sent: maandag 20 augustus 2001 14:09
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
> 
> 
> 
> I need to manually unsubscribe a user from a mailman lists (i.e. not
> through the HTML interface.
> 
> Can someone tell me the name of the file I have to edit.  I thought it
> would have been located in the listname/config.db file but I 
> can't find it
> there.
> 
> Phil Carr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
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From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Aug 20 16:00:29 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:00:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
In-Reply-To: <3B7DD501.BBE57D5F@anarchysoftware.com>; from rseymour@anarchysoftware.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 07:37:53PM -0700
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817185352.00a6b818@ultra5.org> <3B7DD501.BBE57D5F@anarchysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20010820100029.A6894@mems-exchange.org>

On 17 August 2001, Richard Seymour said:
> I installed mailman 2.0.5 on a redhat 6.2 box running sendmail.
> 
> The box is named something in the form of server.domain.com. I set up a
> list which basically works as far as I can tell, with one problem.
> 
> When users reply to a message, instead of the reply going to:
> 
> the-list at server.domain.com
> 
> ...it goes to:
> 
> the-list at domain.com
> 
> That is, without the server name. Now, domain.com is handled by another
> mailing system, so the messages bounce. If the user edits the reply
> address to include the server name, all works well.

It might help if you included the complete headers of a list message in
your report.  But I have a guess what your problem is: at the very
bottom of the "General Options" page you'll find "Host name this list
prefers".  My guess is that this is currently "domain.com", and you need
to change it to "server.domain.com".

        Greg
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From rseymour at anarchysoftware.com  Mon Aug 20 17:15:41 2001
From: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com (Richard Seymour)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 08:15:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817185352.00a6b818@ultra5.org> <3B7DD501.BBE57D5F@anarchysoftware.com> <20010820100029.A6894@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <3B81299D.9E5F5003@anarchysoftware.com>

Greg Ward wrote:
> 
> On 17 August 2001, Richard Seymour said:
> > I installed mailman 2.0.5 on a redhat 6.2 box running sendmail.
> >
> > The box is named something in the form of server.domain.com. I set up a
> > list which basically works as far as I can tell, with one problem.
> >
> > When users reply to a message, instead of the reply going to:
> >
> > the-list at server.domain.com
> >
> > ...it goes to:
> >
> > the-list at domain.com
> >
> > That is, without the server name. Now, domain.com is handled by another
> > mailing system, so the messages bounce. If the user edits the reply
> > address to include the server name, all works well.
> 
> It might help if you included the complete headers of a list message in
> your report.  But I have a guess what your problem is: at the very
> bottom of the "General Options" page you'll find "Host name this list
> prefers".  My guess is that this is currently "domain.com", and you need
> to change it to "server.domain.com".

Thanks for the reply, but this is not the problem.

"Host name this list prefers." is "kfish.servlets.net"

Here's a sample header that I get. This is with "Explicit Reply-To:
header." set to "pge-pepper at kfish.servlets.net" which seems like if
nothing else works, that should (but it doesn't).

--------------------------------
Return-Path: 
Delivered-To: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com
Received: from kfish.servlets.net (unknown [209.221.149.119])
        by ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
82BC812E86
        for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:10:01
-0700 (PDT)
Received: from s149v119.servlets.net
(IDENT:mailman at hotpepper.servlets.net [127.0.0.1])
        by kfish.servlets.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05026;
        Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:02:06 -0700
Received: from ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com
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Organization: Anarchy Software, Inc.
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18-17mdk i686)
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: pge-pepper at servlets.net
Subject: Re: [Pge-pepper] test 4
References: <3B7D6890.6BC2C483 at anarchysoftware.com>
<3B7D6918.6A5F4E51 at anarchysoftware.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Sender: pge-pepper-admin at servlets.net
Errors-To: pge-pepper-admin at servlets.net
X-BeenThere: pge-pepper at kfish.servlets.net
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: pge-pepper at servlets.net
List-Help: 
List-Post: 
List-Subscribe: ,
        
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List-Archive: 
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:01:06 -0700
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From gdunn at inscriber.com  Mon Aug 20 17:43:03 2001
From: gdunn at inscriber.com (Graham Dunn)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
In-Reply-To: <3B81299D.9E5F5003@anarchysoftware.com>; from rseymour@anarchysoftware.com on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 08:15:41AM -0700
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817185352.00a6b818@ultra5.org> <3B7DD501.BBE57D5F@anarchysoftware.com> <20010820100029.A6894@mems-exchange.org> <3B81299D.9E5F5003@anarchysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20010820114303.B5417@inscriber.com>

Do you have a MASQUERADE_AS(`servlets.net') (don't know what the postfix
equivalent is) in your listserver's MTA config file?

Graham

On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 08:15:41AM -0700, Richard Seymour wrote:
> Greg Ward wrote:
> > 
> > On 17 August 2001, Richard Seymour said:
> > > I installed mailman 2.0.5 on a redhat 6.2 box running sendmail.
> > >
> > > The box is named something in the form of server.domain.com. I set up a
> > > list which basically works as far as I can tell, with one problem.
> > >
> > > When users reply to a message, instead of the reply going to:
> > >
> > > the-list at server.domain.com
> > >
> > > ...it goes to:
> > >
> > > the-list at domain.com
> > >
> > > That is, without the server name. Now, domain.com is handled by another
> > > mailing system, so the messages bounce. If the user edits the reply
> > > address to include the server name, all works well.
> > 
> > It might help if you included the complete headers of a list message in
> > your report.  But I have a guess what your problem is: at the very
> > bottom of the "General Options" page you'll find "Host name this list
> > prefers".  My guess is that this is currently "domain.com", and you need
> > to change it to "server.domain.com".
> 
> Thanks for the reply, but this is not the problem.
> 
> "Host name this list prefers." is "kfish.servlets.net"
> 
> Here's a sample header that I get. This is with "Explicit Reply-To:
> header." set to "pge-pepper at kfish.servlets.net" which seems like if
> nothing else works, that should (but it doesn't).
> 
> --------------------------------
> Return-Path: 
> Delivered-To: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com
> Received: from kfish.servlets.net (unknown [209.221.149.119])
>         by ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
> 82BC812E86
>         for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:10:01
> -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from s149v119.servlets.net
> (IDENT:mailman at hotpepper.servlets.net [127.0.0.1])
>         by kfish.servlets.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05026;
>         Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:02:06 -0700
> Received: from ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com
> (IDENT:postfix at anarchysoftware.com [216.99.217.78])
>         by kfish.servlets.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05019
>         for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:01:10
> -0700
> Received: from anarchysoftware.com (dsl-209-162-205-24.easystreet.com
> [209.162.205.24])
>         by ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
> B6BF112E86
>         for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:08:34
> -0700 (PDT)
> Message-ID: <3B7D69F2.61637283 at anarchysoftware.com>
> From: Richard Seymour 
> Organization: Anarchy Software, Inc.
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18-17mdk i686)
> X-Accept-Language: en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: pge-pepper at servlets.net
> Subject: Re: [Pge-pepper] test 4
> References: <3B7D6890.6BC2C483 at anarchysoftware.com>
> <3B7D6918.6A5F4E51 at anarchysoftware.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Sender: pge-pepper-admin at servlets.net
> Errors-To: pge-pepper-admin at servlets.net
> X-BeenThere: pge-pepper at kfish.servlets.net
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5
> Precedence: bulk
> Reply-To: pge-pepper at servlets.net
> List-Help: 
> List-Post: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
>         
> List-Id: 
> List-Unsubscribe:
> ,
>        
> 
> List-Archive: 
> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:01:06 -0700
> --------------------------------
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From jjohnson at partners-intl.net  Mon Aug 20 18:34:04 2001
From: jjohnson at partners-intl.net (John E. Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 12:34:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman to another server
Message-ID: <76366495C9C94E4BA5BB0919BF9B684C0F0F07@order.partners-intl.net>

Hi - 

We are currently hosting 15 lists on a server that we're trying to phase
off of the network.  We've searched the web/mailman archives and such,
but haven't found any documentation on how to move the program and lists
from one server to the next.    Both boxes are RH 7.0.  Any help on this
topic would be appreciated!

Thanks

John E. Johnson
Senior Project Manager
Partners International, LLC
202-628-0953 Ext. 566
jjohnson at partners-intl.net 



From rseymour at anarchysoftware.com  Mon Aug 20 18:57:04 2001
From: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com (Richard Seymour)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010817185352.00a6b818@ultra5.org> <3B7DD501.BBE57D5F@anarchysoftware.com> <20010820100029.A6894@mems-exchange.org> <3B81299D.9E5F5003@anarchysoftware.com> <20010820114303.B5417@inscriber.com>
Message-ID: <3B814160.F0BB0622@anarchysoftware.com>

The machine mailman is running on is running sendmail, not postfix. (The
machine receiving the mail is running postfix, but that doesn't enter
into the equation.) I did not set up sendmail on the mailman machine,
but I can't find any reference to MASQUERADE_AS(`servlets.net') or any
similar string in /etc/sendmail.cf if that's what you mean.

Graham Dunn wrote:
> 
> Do you have a MASQUERADE_AS(`servlets.net') (don't know what the postfix
> equivalent is) in your listserver's MTA config file?
> 
> Graham
> 
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 08:15:41AM -0700, Richard Seymour wrote:
> > --------------------------------
> > Return-Path: 
> > Delivered-To: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com
> > Received: from kfish.servlets.net (unknown [209.221.149.119])
> >         by ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
> > 82BC812E86
> >         for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:10:01
> > -0700 (PDT)
> > Received: from s149v119.servlets.net
> > (IDENT:mailman at hotpepper.servlets.net [127.0.0.1])
> >         by kfish.servlets.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05026;
> >         Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:02:06 -0700
> > Received: from ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com
> > (IDENT:postfix at anarchysoftware.com [216.99.217.78])
> >         by kfish.servlets.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05019
> >         for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:01:10
> > -0700
> > Received: from anarchysoftware.com (dsl-209-162-205-24.easystreet.com
> > [209.162.205.24])
> >         by ssminnow.anarchysoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id
> > B6BF112E86
> >         for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:08:34
> > -0700 (PDT)
SNIP
> > --------------------------------

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From ryan at p11.com  Mon Aug 20 19:03:03 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:03:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message Header/Footer question
Message-ID: <000601c12999$f97f5010$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

Is there any way to intelligently control the insertion of header and
footers to lists?  The way I currently have it setup, when a message is
sent to the list, the header and footer are inserted.  Then, when
someone replies to that message (and thusly back to the list) it is then
treated as part of the message and another header and footer is
inserted.  Sooner or later we have a thread similar to the following:

Reply

  
    
    original message
    
  


I remember majordomo having this ability of recognizing it's own headers
and footers, and not stupidly just appending text to portions of the
message.  Is there something I'm overlooking with mailman?

Thanks,

Ryan C. Creasey
Web Programmer
p11creative 




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Mon Aug 20 19:03:29 2001
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
In-Reply-To: <3B814160.F0BB0622@anarchysoftware.com>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Richard Seymour wrote:
> The machine mailman is running on is running sendmail, not postfix. (The
> machine receiving the mail is running postfix, but that doesn't enter
> into the equation.) I did not set up sendmail on the mailman machine,
> but I can't find any reference to MASQUERADE_AS(`servlets.net') or any
> similar string in /etc/sendmail.cf if that's what you mean.

That's the form for the .mc, not the .cf.

Does

CMservlets.net

appear in your config?

ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"Go without hate. But not without rage. Heal the world."        -- Paul Monette




From rseymour at anarchysoftware.com  Mon Aug 20 19:17:12 2001
From: rseymour at anarchysoftware.com (Richard Seymour)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
References: 
Message-ID: <3B814618.F3F1CAA4@anarchysoftware.com>

"Roger B.A. Klorese" wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Richard Seymour wrote:
> > but I can't find any reference to MASQUERADE_AS(`servlets.net') or any
> > similar string in /etc/sendmail.cf if that's what you mean.
> 
> That's the form for the .mc, not the .cf.
> 
> Does
> 
> CMservlets.net
> 
> appear in your config?

Not that I can find in any config file anywhere in or under /etc. 

(I'm thinking of uninstalling / reinstalling sendmail to ensure that I
have a standard configuration.)

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From gdunn at inscriber.com  Mon Aug 20 19:25:44 2001
From: gdunn at inscriber.com (Graham Dunn)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:25:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem
In-Reply-To: <3B814618.F3F1CAA4@anarchysoftware.com>; from rseymour@anarchysoftware.com on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 10:17:12AM -0700
References:  <3B814618.F3F1CAA4@anarchysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20010820132543.C5417@inscriber.com>

sendmail.cf lives in /etc/mail in more recent versions of sendmail.


On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 10:17:12AM -0700, Richard Seymour wrote:
> "Roger B.A. Klorese" wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Richard Seymour wrote:
> > > but I can't find any reference to MASQUERADE_AS(`servlets.net') or any
> > > similar string in /etc/sendmail.cf if that's what you mean.
> > 
> > That's the form for the .mc, not the .cf.
> > 
> > Does
> > 
> > CMservlets.net
> > 
> > appear in your config?
> 
> Not that I can find in any config file anywhere in or under /etc. 
> 
> (I'm thinking of uninstalling / reinstalling sendmail to ensure that I
> have a standard configuration.)
> 
> -- 
> Richard Seymour : Anarchy Software, Inc.
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>       `????,?             ?,????'
>              `????,??,????
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Aug 20 19:35:12 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:35:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server.domain.com problem 
In-Reply-To: Message from Graham Dunn  
   of "Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:25:44 EDT." <20010820132543.C5417@inscriber.com> 
References:  <3B814618.F3F1CAA4@anarchysoftware.com>  <20010820132543.C5417@inscriber.com> 
Message-ID: <2023.998328912@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:25:44 -0400 
Graham Dunn  wrote:

> sendmail.cf lives in /etc/mail in more recent versions of
> sendmail.  

Which raises an auto-reject filter I'm extremely glad will be
trivially possible 2.1:

  auto-reject posts with new text at the top and the entire prior
  message quoted below.

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From lists at cationfirst.com  Mon Aug 20 22:03:16 2001
From: lists at cationfirst.com (Kris)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting rid of e-mail headers
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20010820155907.00a1d220@pop.communicationfirst.com>

I have several "subscriber only," "read only" lists and I want to keep the 
beginning of the e-mail as simple as possible .  Is there a simple way to 
remove the 
List-Post:  List-Subscribe:  List-Id:  List-Unsubscribe:  List-Archive: 
headers with the URLs?

I will just give instructions to go to the Website to unsubscribe.




From b.j.smith at ieee.org  Mon Aug 20 22:09:16 2001
From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan-TheBS-Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:09:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Would like to insert old archives into new archives
Message-ID: <3B816E6C.50BE08F7@ieee.org>

No one answered this so I'm reposting it.  Otherwise I'm probably going
to "break down" and install Mailman on a dummy server and dork with a
few scripts to see if I can do it manually.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bryan-TheBS-Smith 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman setup: would like to insert old
archives into new archives
To: mailman-users at python.org

New Mailman setup: would like to insert old archives into new archives

All --

I have just setup a Mailman server.  Everything is working fine.

My delima?

How to I insert old archives for my lists into the new Mailman
archives?  The old archives are already in mbox format, separated by
list name (e.g., I have 3 lists, I have 3 mbox files with all the old
posts).

Thanx in advance and sorry if this has been answered before (I looked
through the FAQ/HOWTO/list.org docs and a Google/Linux search before
posting to no avail).

-- TheBS

-- 
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Engineer  Absolute Value Systems, Inc.  http://www.linux-wlan.org
President     SmithConcepts, Inc.    http://www.SmithConcepts.com



From claw at 2wire.com  Mon Aug 20 22:31:39 2001
From: claw at 2wire.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 13:31:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Would like to insert old archives into new archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Bryan-TheBS-Smith  
   of "Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:09:16 EDT." <3B816E6C.50BE08F7@ieee.org> 
References: <3B816E6C.50BE08F7@ieee.org> 
Message-ID: <3390.998339499@2wire.com>

On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:09:16 -0400 
Bryan-TheBS-Smith   wrote:

> How to I insert old archives for my lists into the new Mailman
> archives?  

~.bin.arch and related tools.

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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From techgrrl at beeze.com  Tue Aug 21 02:56:32 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 17:56:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Would like to insert old archives into new archives
References: <3B816E6C.50BE08F7@ieee.org>
Message-ID: <011e01c129dc$1f001e90$0200010a@home.beeze.com>

When I needed to do this, I simply appended the .mbox file for the original list to the .mbox file of the current list (using Pico, since that's my editor of choice). Then I deleted the existing archives and rebuilt them using bin/arch.

 -- Sarah

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bryan-TheBS-Smith" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 1:09 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Would like to insert old archives into new archives


> No one answered this so I'm reposting it.  Otherwise I'm probably going
> to "break down" and install Mailman on a dummy server and dork with a
> few scripts to see if I can do it manually.
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Bryan-TheBS-Smith 
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Mailman setup: would like to insert old
> archives into new archives
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> 
> New Mailman setup: would like to insert old archives into new archives
> 
> All --
> 
> I have just setup a Mailman server.  Everything is working fine.
> 
> My delima?
> 
> How to I insert old archives for my lists into the new Mailman
> archives?  The old archives are already in mbox format, separated by
> list name (e.g., I have 3 lists, I have 3 mbox files with all the old
> posts).
> 
> Thanx in advance and sorry if this has been answered before (I looked
> through the FAQ/HOWTO/list.org docs and a Google/Linux search before
> posting to no avail).
> 
> -- TheBS
> 
> -- 
> Bryan "TheBS" Smith    mailto:b.j.smith at ieee.org    chat:thebs413
> Engineer  Absolute Value Systems, Inc.  http://www.linux-wlan.org
> President     SmithConcepts, Inc.    http://www.SmithConcepts.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From david at midrange.com  Tue Aug 21 16:35:38 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:35:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: not indexable???
Message-ID: <200108211435.f7LEZdA07213@linux.midrange.com>

Folks:

I've been getting the following error pretty often ... I can usually
recover by simply refreshing the web page, but it's annoying.

Aug 21 09:20:42 2001 admin(6951): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(6951): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
admin(6951): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(6951): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(6951):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(6951):     main()
admin(6951):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 78, in main
admin(6951):     Auth.authenticate(mlist, cgidata)
admin(6951):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 65, in authenticate
admin(6951):     if cgidata.has_key('adminpw') and \
admin(6951):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py", line 564, in has_key
admin(6951):     raise TypeError, "not indexable"
admin(6951): TypeError: not indexable
admin(6951): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(6951): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Mar  3 2001, 01:35:43)  [GCC 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2
admin(6951): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(6951): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(6951): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(6951): sys.path       = /usr
admin(6951): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(6951): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(6951):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/mailman/html
admin(6951):    SERVER_ADDR: 207.224.38.113
admin(6951):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
admin(6951):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(6951):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/mailman/html/java101
admin(6951):    REMOTE_ADDR: 208.248.38.130
admin(6951):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-us
admin(6951):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(6951):    SERVER_NAME: lists.midrange.com
admin(6951):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(6951):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
admin(6951):    HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */*
admin(6951):    REQUEST_URI: /cgi-bin/admindb/java101
admin(6951):    QUERY_STRING: 
admin(6951):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(6951):    PATH_INFO: /java101
admin(6951):    HTTP_HOST: lists.midrange.com
admin(6951):    REQUEST_METHOD: adminpw=GET
admin(6951):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: Apache/1.3.19 Server at lists.midrange.com Port 80

admin(6951):    SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/admindb/java101
admin(6951):    SERVER_ADMIN: david at midrange.com
admin(6951):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux) mod_layout/3.0 PHP/4.0.4pl1
admin(6951):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(6951):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: INCLUDED
admin(6951):    REMOTE_PORT: 38228

Notice on the REQUEST_METHOD entry ... my password was stuck in front of the 
GET.

Anyone know of a fix?

Thanks!

david




From sbrooks at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 21 17:57:49 2001
From: sbrooks at earthlink.net (Sam Brooks)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:57:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender Fronter
Message-ID: <000a01c12a5a$09fbba80$1f8db3d1@oemcomputer>

Hello,

Just recently switched over from Majordomo to Mailman.

On my old lists,  Majordomo allowed me insert the following:

"Posted to HerbInfo by "

I had forgotten about this until a listmember asked what happened to it.

Can I implement a similar feature in Mailman?

Your indulgence please.  I did not install Mailman, therefore don't
have any of the readme's that came with it.  Searched this list's
archives and don't come up with anything relevant.

TIA

Sam
sbrooks at earthlink.net

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From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Tue Aug 21 20:42:49 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shutting off DNS resolution
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010821144219.00de6c94@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

I'm having trouble shutting off DNS resolution on recipients for messages
delivered locally with sendmail.

How do I do it?

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "Talk about passing the time..." 
     -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Aug 21 20:51:00 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:51:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Shutting off DNS resolution
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010821144219.00de6c94@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
Message-ID: 

Check the archives of mailman-developers, I posted an easy way to do this in
the last few weeks.


On 8/21/01 11:42 AM, "Jonathan Andrew Sheen" 
wrote:

> I'm having trouble shutting off DNS resolution on recipients for messages
> delivered locally with sendmail.
> 
> How do I do it?
> 
> Jonathan Andrew Sheen
> 
> http://www.leviathanstudios.com
> Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
> jsheen at leviathanstudios.com
> 
>    "Talk about passing the time..."
>    -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome 
[ =  = ]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of
Karma to burn off.







From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Tue Aug 21 21:24:04 2001
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:24:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Displaying dates in sorted list
Message-ID: <3B82D174.16941.4FEFD6@localhost>

The archives are displayable in four weays:
by date
by subyect 
by thread 
by author

However in any of these lists only Subject and Author are 
displayed.
Where have i to modify the program to have also displayed the date 
of the message, on any of these lists ?
Also, there is a way to sort them by REVERSE date ?


Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 21 22:20:26 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:20:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] commands
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20010821202026.16518.qmail@web13608.mail.yahoo.com>

Please, I know that in Majordomo , some commands are
editables, eg, if i want to get somo archives, i write
"get".
Are there some like that in mailman?


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From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Tue Aug 21 22:40:05 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:40:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What does this mean?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010821163959.00e82744@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

What does this error mean? Where do I look to fix it?

Aug 21 16:38:03 2001 (30344) Could not acquire qrunner lock

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "Talk about passing the time..." 
     -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI



From b.j.smith at ieee.org  Tue Aug 21 23:42:23 2001
From: b.j.smith at ieee.org (Bryan-TheBS-Smith)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:42:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Would like to insert old archives into new 
 archives
References: <3B816E6C.50BE08F7@ieee.org> <3390.998339499@2wire.com>
Message-ID: <3B82D5BF.E2974E24@ieee.org>

J C Lawrence wrote:
> ~.bin.arch and related tools.

I couldn't figure out how to use ~/bin/arch.  I tried "--help", "<" ">"
redirects, "|" cat/piping, etc...

Then I did the obvious, I "file arch"'d to find out it was just a Python
script and listed it.  There is was "-h" for help.

   $~/bin/arch list mbox

Worked perfectly!!!

Thanx.

-- TheBS

P.S.  Maybe this is something that should go into the FAQ?  Unless I
missed it.

-- 
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Engineer  AbsoluteValue Systems, Inc.  http://www.linux-wlan.org
President    SmithConcepts, Inc.    http://www.SmithConcepts.com



From Mary.Wang at West.Boeing.com  Wed Aug 22 00:25:22 2001
From: Mary.Wang at West.Boeing.com (Wang, Mary Y)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] My Mail Archive Messages Sorted by Thread is not Working Properly
Message-ID: 

Hi,
I am using Mailman 2.0.6 .  My mail archive sorted by thread is not working
properly.  
This is the how the archive messages sorted by thread is being displayed
now:
---------------------------
*subject A
*subject A
*subject A
*subject B
*subject A
*subject B

What I mean is that archive messages sorted by thread should be displayed
like a tree like the picture depicted below:
-------------------------------
*subject A
   *subject A
   *subject A
   *subject A
   *subject A
*subject B
   *subject B

I don't have a clue.  

Thanks in advance.

Mary 
(562) 797-1545




From gunnar at anzinger.com  Wed Aug 22 01:23:52 2001
From: gunnar at anzinger.com (Gunnar Anzinger)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 01:23:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customizing the user information and configuration webpages
Message-ID: 

Hello!

I'm currently trying to customize the user information and configuration
webpages for my first mailman mailinglist. I'm familiar with writing HTML
but I have problems to understand the exact function of the various
 directives. Where can I find a complete list of these directives
with a description of each one? I couldn't find it in the List Management
Guide, the FAQs or any other document I know.

Bye, Gunnar




From bilbrey at orbdesigns.com  Wed Aug 22 02:07:38 2001
From: bilbrey at orbdesigns.com (bilbrey at orbdesigns.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:07:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What does this mean?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010821163959.00e82744@pop.ma.ultranet.com>; from jsheen@leviathanstudios.com on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 04:40:05PM -0400
References: <3.0.32.20010821163959.00e82744@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
Message-ID: <20010821170738.A25922@orbdesigns.com>

On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 04:40:05PM -0400, Jonathan Andrew Sheen wrote:
> 
> What does this error mean? Where do I look to fix it?
> 
> Aug 21 16:38:03 2001 (30344) Could not acquire qrunner lock

aside from the mailman-users archives at

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/

you might try a google search on "qrunner lock"

My best guess (a stab in the dark) is that at some point Mailman
died badly, leaving... the qrunner.lock file behind, blocking
qrunner from following its appointed rounds.

Since that's my guess, I'd have a look at the code for qrunner,
which shows me:

QRUNNER_LOCK_FILE = os.path.join(mm_cfg.LOCK_DIR, 'qrunner.lock')

So, in $MAILMAN_DIR/Mailman/, I have a look at Defaults.py, since I
am unlikely to have set up a modified version of LOCK_DIR...

LOCK_DIR        = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'locks')
and
VAR_PREFIX      = '/www/htdocs/orb/mailman/'

so, I look in  $MAILMAN_DIR/locks (in my case
/www/htdocs/orb/mailman/locks), and it's empty. If yours contains a
qrunner.lock file that is aging, then you might try deleting that
file and see what it buys you.

Best of luck,

.brian

-- 
Brian Bilbrey :: bilbrey at orbdesigns.com :: www.orbdesigns.com
   "Regulatory science is to science as bear traps are to bears."
                                  Dr. Jerry Pournelle



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Aug 22 02:32:12 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:32:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What does this mean?
In-Reply-To: <20010821170738.A25922@orbdesigns.com>
Message-ID: 

On 8/21/01 5:07 PM, "bilbrey at orbdesigns.com"  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 04:40:05PM -0400, Jonathan Andrew Sheen wrote:
>> 
>> What does this error mean? Where do I look to fix it?
>> 
>> Aug 21 16:38:03 2001 (30344) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> 
> you might try a google search on "qrunner lock"
> 
> My best guess (a stab in the dark) is that at some point Mailman
> died badly, leaving... the qrunner.lock file behind,

In most cases, it's actually not an error message at all, but once a minute,
cron spawns a qrunner. If qrunner already is running, the new one catches
that, logs itself and goes away. If mailman is working okay, you can ignore
this message.

If mailman is wedged, then you need to kill your existing python processes
(if any), clear the locks and let the system re-sync. But 99.8% of the time,
you can simply ignore this message. It's simply a heartbeat message, not an
error. 



-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome 
[ =  = ]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

The Pinball Machine Rule is the observation that it doesn't matter a wit if
the instructions are printed clearly for all to see, nobody will read
them.  They'll just drop their quarter(s) and start pushing buttons
like a Tommy. -- Barry Warsaw






From bilbrey at orbdesigns.com  Wed Aug 22 02:45:48 2001
From: bilbrey at orbdesigns.com (bilbrey at orbdesigns.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:45:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What does this mean?
In-Reply-To: ; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:32:12PM -0700
References: <20010821170738.A25922@orbdesigns.com> 
Message-ID: <20010821174548.B25922@orbdesigns.com>

On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:32:12PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
 [...snippage...]
> In most cases, it's actually not an error message at all, but once a minute,

This one listens and learns. Thanks! I actually did blow up MM once
early on, and had to fix that. Stuck in with the cobwebs, I guess.

Thanks,

.b

-- 
Brian Bilbrey :: bilbrey at orbdesigns.com :: www.orbdesigns.com
   "Regulatory science is to science as bear traps are to bears."
                                  Dr. Jerry Pournelle



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 22 08:59:13 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:59:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman's forte...
In-Reply-To: Message from Eric Pretorious  
   of "Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:29:28 PDT."  
References:  
Message-ID: <28188.998463553@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:29:28 -0700 (PDT) 
Eric Pretorious  wrote:

> Nope - I have the exact same results when accessing these scripts
> (handle_opts & subscribe) on SVLUG.org. There's definitely
> something wrong with Mailman. Thanks for looking, though.

Poking into this business of bad HTML BODY tags slightly further:

  -- The body tag originates in htmlformat.py

  -- The Debian package patches that file at the point it generates
  the BODY tag.  Do `apt-get source mailman` on a Debian system to
  see, or grab the diff off your local Debian mirror. (It comments
  out the "output.append line").

  -- SVLUG.org is running Debian.  I don't know if they're running
  from a Debian Mailman package or not.  They appear on the surface
  to be running 2.0.5, much as I am.  At Kanga.Nu I'm running the
  default Debian package, and as you can see, generate correct HTML.

  -- The Debian package maintainer is active on the Mailman lists
  (possibly -developer only) and may be able to comment further.

-- 
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From justin at tryllian.com  Wed Aug 22 09:49:19 2001
From: justin at tryllian.com (justin at tryllian.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:49:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?default_HTML_for_public_list_pages?=
Message-ID: <44636.212.0.243.10.998466559.squirrel@wm.tryllian.com>

Hi,

Is there a way to change the default HTML for public list pages?
I have to change it now for every new list I make.

Justin




From detlef.neubauer at charite.de  Wed Aug 22 10:30:32 2001
From: detlef.neubauer at charite.de (Detlef Neubauer)
Date: 22 Aug 2001 10:30:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] default HTML for public list pages
In-Reply-To: 's message of "Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:49:19 +0200 (CEST)"
References: <44636.212.0.243.10.998466559.squirrel@wm.tryllian.com>
Message-ID: 

 writes:

> Is there a way to change the default HTML for public list pages?
> I have to change it now for every new list I make.

Take a look at $HOME/templates/listinfo.html

 MfG
 Detlef Neubauer

-- 
.oO GnuPG Key auf http://germany.keyserver.net/ Oo.




From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Wed Aug 22 11:20:01 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:20:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender Fronter
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1E8@NETIVITY-FS>

>----Original Message-----
>From: Sam Brooks [mailto:sbrooks at earthlink.net]

>On my old lists,  Majordomo allowed me insert the following:
>"Posted to HerbInfo by "

>Can I implement a similar feature in Mailman?

You can... go to the lists webinterface... click Regular member options.
"Header added to mail sent to regular list members" is what you want.
Click Details to get a little more info.

>Your indulgence please.  I did not install Mailman, therefore don't
>have any of the readme's that came with it.  Searched this list's
>archives and don't come up with anything relevant.

You could checkout the documentation referred to at the official site
(http://www.list.org).
Especially Chris Kollar's documentation for list managers might suite you.

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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Wed Aug 22 11:27:38 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:27:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] What does this mean?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1E9@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Andrew Sheen [mailto:jsheen at leviathanstudios.com]
> 
> What does this error mean? Where do I look to fix it?
> Aug 21 16:38:03 2001 (30344) Could not acquire qrunner lock

Every minute a python script is started from the cron. The so called
qrunner.
This process processes all incoming and outgoing mail for Mailman. To be
sure that only one process is handling the data at a certain time a lockfile
is used.

If another qrunner process is started before the first has ended, you'll see
this error.
It might occur one time, if the qrunner is taking more than a minute to
process the data. However if it keeps popping up every minute, you'll might
find a "dead" mailman/qrunner process on your system.

I had this last monday. Cause: a bad formatted file was used to add members.
When a mail was posted to the list the process hung for a few days (the
server is not that busy).


DISCLAIMER: Everything stated here is the way I think Mailman works...

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From pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za  Wed Aug 22 12:48:43 2001
From: pjcd at maties.sun.ac.za (John Dovey)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:48:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.05
Message-ID: <04b201c12af8$03126e00$4f4be892@jsgbib.sun.ac.za>

Hi,

I get this in my error log when I try to access the admindb page for one of
my lists...
Help !! :-)
John
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:14 PM
Subject: no subject (file transmission)


> Aug 22 13:10:28 2001 admin(20704):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(20704): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.5 -----]
> admin(20704): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(20704): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> admin(20704):     main()
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 85, in
main
> admin(20704):     Auth.authenticate(mlist, cgidata)
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/Auth.py", line 72, in
authenticate
> admin(20704):     isauthed = mlist.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
cookie='admin')
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 68,
in WebAuthenticate
> admin(20704):     return self.CheckCookie(key)
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117,
in CheckCookie
> admin(20704):     c = Cookie.Cookie(cookiedata)
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 509, in
__init__
> admin(20704):     if input: self.load(input)
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 546, in load
> admin(20704):     self.__ParseString(rawdata)
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 573, in
__ParseString
> admin(20704):     M.set(K, apply(self.net_setfunc, (V,)), V)
> admin(20704):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 421, in set
> admin(20704):     raise CookieError("Attempt to set a reserved key: %s" %
key)
> admin(20704): CookieError: Attempt to set a reserved key: path
> admin(20704): [----- Python Information -----]
> admin(20704): sys.version    = 1.6a2 (#3, Jul  4 2000, 16:29:31)  [GCC
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)]
> admin(20704): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
> admin(20704): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
> admin(20704): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
> admin(20704): sys.path       = /usr/local
> admin(20704): sys.platform   = linux2
> admin(20704): [----- Environment Variables -----]
> admin(20704): DOCUMENT_ROOT: /var/www/html
> admin(20704): SERVER_ADDR: 146.232.74.127
> admin(20704): HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip, deflate
> admin(20704): SERVER_PORT: 80
> admin(20704): PATH_TRANSLATED: /var/www/html/adhoc
> admin(20704): REMOTE_ADDR: 146.232.75.79
> admin(20704): HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en-za
> admin(20704): GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
> admin(20704): SERVER_NAME: moo.sun.ac.za
> admin(20704): HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
> admin(20704): HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows
NT 5.0)
> admin(20704): HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel,
application/msword, application/x-comet, */*
> admin(20704): REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/adhoc
> admin(20704): QUERY_STRING:
> admin(20704): SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
> admin(20704): PATH_INFO: /adhoc
> admin(20704): HTTP_HOST: moo.sun.ac.za
> admin(20704): REQUEST_METHOD: GET
> admin(20704): SERVER_SIGNATURE: Apache/1.3.14 Server at moo.sun.ac.za Port 80
>
> admin(20704): SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
> admin(20704): SERVER_ADMIN: dreamer at iname.com
> admin(20704): SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.14 (Unix)  (Red-Hat/Linux)
PHP/4.0.1pl2 mod_perl/1.24
> admin(20704): PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
> admin(20704): HTTP_COOKIE:
adhoc:admin=280200000069bc55823b73280000006463323836646231656133393334323337
6637386664393365656536656461306565303730326532;
adhoc:archive=280200000069f855823b732800000034633265663338383262613863333631
303131633533363965323337363936353830633565363330; Access_Code=#164
h/9kaBanTDTao path=/
> admin(20704): SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.1
> admin(20704): REMOTE_PORT: 3144
> admin(20704): HTTP_REFERER: http://moo.sun.ac.za/mailman/admin




From kathleen at augustmail.com  Wed Aug 22 13:25:44 2001
From: kathleen at augustmail.com (Kathleen Weaver)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:25:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender Fronter
In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1E8@NETIVITY-FS>
References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A1E8@NETIVITY-FS>
Message-ID: <200108220625440500.02F22AF9@augustmail.com>

>You can... go to the lists webinterface... click Regular member options.
>"Header added to mail sent to regular list members" is what you want.
>Click Details to get a little more info.

I've had the same question, and knew this is where it needed to be added,
but is there a more complete list of attributes?  Nothing on the list or
in the documentation says anything but:

real_name - The `pretty' name of the list; usually the list name with
capitalization. 
_internal_name - The name by which the list is identified in URLs, where
case is significant. 
host_name - The fully qualified domain name that the list server runs on. 
web_page_url - The base URL for Mailman. This can be appended with, e.g.
listinfo/%(_internal_name)s to yield the listinfo page for the mailing
list. 
description - The brief description of the mailing list. 
info - The full description of the mailing list. 
kathleen







From jdl at ticnet.com  Wed Aug 22 13:36:31 2001
From: jdl at ticnet.com (Jim Larrabee)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive files
Message-ID: 

Does anyone know how I delete archive files in mailman?

-- 
Jim Larrabee
Webmaster - http://www.fuzzthatwuzz.com



From thierry.jacquemart at s1.com  Wed Aug 22 18:48:31 2001
From: thierry.jacquemart at s1.com (Thierry Jacquemart)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:48:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MHonArc/Mailman integration
Message-ID: <3B83E25F.1E27251F@s1.com>

Hi,

I've been working the last two days on integrating MHonArc with Mailman.
As I didn't find a proper FAQ or HOWTO entry about that, I searched the
list, found some related items, but not explicit or complete enough to
have me running the thing in 1,2,3. So I had to investigate myself and
the good thing is, it works fine now. As this question seems to come
back again and again in the list (also recently), I decided to post the
results of my investigation. Maybe it will help you saving some time,
then mine will definitely have been worth it.
I've got RedHat 6.2, Mailman 2.0.5, MHonArc-2.4.5-1, I'm using MHonArc
resource files (*.mrc) which I didn't write myself (I'm not a MHonArc
specialist so please don't ask) and my purpose was to replace standard
pipermail archives by mhonarc ones and this in an automated way. Here
are the steps you have to cover:

- put the following variables into $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (remember
never modifying variables directly into Defaults.py):

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/mhonarchive'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/mhonarchive'
PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER = '/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/%(listname)s >> /tmp/out_external_archiver'

where '/mhonarchive' is actually the Alias (in httpd.conf) pointing to
the place where I've put my MHonArc archive and /var/mhonarc/archives/
is this place. Note that the MHonArc command line is a very basic one,
simply adding new mail from a Mailman mailbox to the corresponding
MHonArc archive, you may decide to add whatever option you need, I only
redirected the output of the command to a temp file in order to trace
it.

- ensure that the following variable is correctly set into
$prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py:

ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 2

Indeed I cannot guarantee that other values will work, this was the
default one in my file and it archives successfully to Mailman mailbox.
I must add that built-in mailman html archiving doesn't work any more
although it should if I believe the documentation notes. But I don't
care as my goal is just to replace them by MHonArc archives.

- assuming you already have non empty Mailman mailboxes under
$prefix/archives/private/ (which was my case), initialize your MHonARc
archives with following command:

mhonarc -mbox
$prefix/archives/private/yourmaillist.mbox/yourmaillist.mbox -outdir
/var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist -rcfile
/var/mhonarc/archives/yourmaillist/main.mrc

This also assumes that you first created the directories where you want
to put your MHonArc archives and that you copied the MHonArc resource
files into it (main.mrc..). I issued the command with the mailman uid
and also had the archive directories owned by mailman uid as to avoid
permission problems.

That should do it (it did for me anyway). I noticed that the
e-mail/password authentication for private archives doesn't work, but as
I don't need it for the moment I didn't investigate further ;-)

I hope this helps.


--
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Kleine Kloosterstraat 23, B-1932 Sint-Stevens Woluwe
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From spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv  Wed Aug 22 19:48:26 2001
From: spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv (spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:48:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list mailer always asks me to approve all messages.
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010822124707.00a6dec0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I have it set not to ask me but it still asks.

I have two mailers, one on each of two domains and they both do the same thing.

Anyone know the solution to this problem ?

Thanks.

Bryon




From otaru_ at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 22 19:55:21 2001
From: otaru_ at hotmail.com (Otaru Namiya)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:55:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with mailman 2.0.3
Message-ID: 

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From techgrrl at beeze.com  Wed Aug 22 20:55:07 2001
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 11:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error message
Message-ID: <00fe01c12b3b$f694db60$0200010a@home.beeze.com>

This error message has begun showing up in my errors log frequently over the past couple of days. Can anybody identify it and point me in the direction to fix it?

Aug 22 10:18:29 2001 admin(4224): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(4224): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.1 -----]
admin(4224): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(4224): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(4224):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(4224):     main()
admin(4224):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line 207, in main

-- Sarah
Plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose





From jake at groupserve.com  Wed Aug 22 21:08:22 2001
From: jake at groupserve.com (J . Davis)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:08:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive search
Message-ID: <20010822150822.A344@mail1.groupserve.com>

Hi,

Are there any built in or third party tools available to implement archiving with a search feature?

-Jake



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 22 21:25:31 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:25:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman's forte... 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc MERLIN  
   of "Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:10:06 PDT." <20010822121006.A17175@magic.merlins.org> 
References:   <28188.998463553@kanga.nu>  <20010822121006.A17175@magic.merlins.org> 
Message-ID: <5466.998508331@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:10:06 -0700 
Marc MERLIN  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:59:13PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> -- SVLUG.org is running Debian.  I don't know if they're running
>> from a Debian Mailman package or not.  They appear on the surface

> Nope. I always run mailman from source :-)

Phbbbt!  (I've narrowed my patches against the Debian down to just
touching up admindb.py to make the TEXTAREA for the moderation
interface 80 columns).

> If there is a problem with mailman on the svlug site, please send
> us Email to webmaster at svlug.org.

I've DCC'ed Heather.

Eric has the details to hand (they were also posted to this list).
Essentially Mailman generates bad HTML for a couple pages (user
options for instance).  The Debian package contains a patch to fix
that.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug 22 22:02:57 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:02:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with mailman 2.0.3
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20010822220257.5c8af557.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

Hi,

> Hi, I am using mailman 2.0.3 on a virtual server. I am having a problem
when trying to post messages to a list. The problem is that I send the
message to post, and it doesn't bounce, but the people on the list don't
receive it! I've tried with 3 emails since last august 7 and nothing! What
is happening? please someone help me. Thanks in advance!

obvious questions:
- did you setup the forwards to mailman in /etc/aliases (or whatever
method is used by your MTA) ?
- did you setup the crontab entries (see the docs on how to do that) ?
- did you check the mailman logs? what do they say?
- did you check your MTA logs? 
- are there any files in ~mailman/qfiles?

 
Regards,

Ricardo.
--
"The above message has been blocked because the content
was deemed to be unsuitable." -- IMAdmin@*****.co.uk




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Wed Aug 22 22:42:55 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 13:42:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading while including my customizations.
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010822124531.00ab4b20@mail.ocentrix.com>

Hey All,

I'm currently running Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.0.3.  I've made some 
modifications to a few of the installed Mailman scripts and default 
templates.  I would like to upgrade to the latest Mailman version (2.0.6 
IIRC).  I know that some of you have been in this same position and I'm 
curious as to what advice you could give me in doing this.

I'm familiar with diff and patch, but not intimately.  It seems that what I 
need to do is create a diff of my changes against 2.0.3 source and then 
merge patches from 2.0.3 to 2.0.6 ( 2.0.3 to 2.0.4, 2.0.4 to 2.0.5, and 
2.0.5 to 2.0.6 IIRC corrections?) with my changes.  I'm wondering if anyone 
knows of a systematic way to do this.  I could plod through it hoping for 
the best, but the trick is to do it without lengthy interruptions to my 
list traffic (which to tell you the truth is right around zero, but I'm 
expecting it to grow and I need the practice upgrading).

I am aware of the "UPGRADING" file but it seems to have remained untouched 
since version 2.0.2. This file says that upgrading and deploying a new 
version won't touch the html templates for existing lists.  Does this still 
apply to the latest version?  What about the default template files?

Does anyone have any pointers for making this upgrade process easier?

Do you have a checklist?
Have you run across any specific gotchas while doing this?
Should I just try starting with a fresh install of 2.0.6 instead and 
migrate my lists over?
What steps should I take to make this easier in the future for when 2.1 is 
released?

pondering the inevitable,

- Ben




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 22 23:09:27 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:09:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive search 
In-Reply-To: Message from "J . Davis"  
   of "Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:08:22 EDT." <20010822150822.A344@mail1.groupserve.com> 
References: <20010822150822.A344@mail1.groupserve.com> 
Message-ID: <6829.998514567@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:08:22 -0400 
jake   wrote:

> Are there any built in or third party tools available to implement
> archiving with a search feature?

The standard approach is to use something like MHonArc along with
MnoGosearch, HT:Dig, or similar.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Thu Aug 23 01:36:34 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Repost] Would like to insert old archives into new archives
In-Reply-To: <011e01c129dc$1f001e90$0200010a@home.beeze.com>; from techgrrl@beeze.com on Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 05:56:32PM -0700
References: <3B816E6C.50BE08F7@ieee.org> <011e01c129dc$1f001e90$0200010a@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <20010822193634.A12527@mems-exchange.org>

On 20 August 2001, Sarah K. Miller said:
> When I needed to do this, I simply appended the .mbox file for the
> original list to the .mbox file of the current list (using Pico, since
> that's my editor of choice). Then I deleted the existing archives and
> rebuilt them using bin/arch.


Many recent versions of Unix have an extremely powerful and advanced
tool for just this: it's called "cat", short for "concatenate".

  cat new_mbox >> old_mbox

could be just what the doctor ordered.  HOWEVER, you MUST be sure to
have a blank line between the last message in old_mbox and the first in
new_mbox, so you might need this:

  echo >> old_mbox; cat new_mbox >> old_mbox

This is especially useful if you're dealing with 20 MB mbox files that
you don't want to load into your editor -- it's *much* more efficient
this way!


Hmm, this started out as a smart-ass, tongue-in-cheek response, but then
got serious.  So much for my reputation.

        Greg



From rene at vtwebwizard.com  Thu Aug 23 02:34:50 2001
From: rene at vtwebwizard.com (Rene Churchill)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 20:34:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] EOF read where object expected
Message-ID: <3B844FAA.29B5806E@vtwebwizard.com>

I'm getting a ton of these in the error logfile and I'm not sure
what's causing them.  Has anybody else run into this before?  I
highly suspect it has to do with a corrupted data/pending_subscriptions.db
file since attempting to run the "Tend to pending administrative requests"
report also throws and error.  I've appended that one below too.  Any suggestions
on how to rebuild the pending_subscriptions.db file?

Thanks,
    Rene


Aug 22 18:05:16 2001 (12631) Delivery exception: EOF read where object expected
Aug 22 18:05:16 2001 (12631) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 135, in process
    hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost)
  File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in hold_for_approval
    mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
  File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 145, in HoldMessage
    self.__opendb()
  File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected



Aug 22 18:12:42 2001 admin(12703): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(12703): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.4 -----]
admin(12703): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(12703): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(12703):     main()
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 91, in main
admin(12703):     PrintRequests(mlist, doc)
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 107, in PrintRequests
admin(12703):     if not mlist.NumRequestsPending():
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
admin(12703):     self.__opendb()
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
admin(12703):     self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
admin(12703): EOFError: EOF read where object expected
admin(12703): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(12703): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#11, Nov 17 1999, 22:58:09)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 
admin(12703): sys.executable = /usr/contrib/bin/python
admin(12703): sys.prefix     = /usr/contrib
admin(12703): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/contrib
admin(12703): sys.path       = /usr/contrib
admin(12703): sys.platform   = bsdos4
admin(12703): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(12703):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/home/celebrityaccess/html
admin(12703):   SERVER_ADDR: 206.168.76.163
admin(12703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(12703):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(12703):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/home/celebrityaccess/html/encore
admin(12703):   REMOTE_ADDR: 24.48.172.13
admin(12703):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1
admin(12703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(12703):   REMOTE_PORT: 4756
admin(12703):   SERVER_NAME: www.celebrityaccess.com
admin(12703):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(12703):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; U)
admin(12703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
Aug 22 18:12:42 2001 admin(12703): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(12703): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0.4 -----]
admin(12703): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(12703): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(12703):     main()
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 91, in main
admin(12703):     PrintRequests(mlist, doc)
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 107, in PrintRequests
admin(12703):     if not mlist.NumRequestsPending():
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
admin(12703):     self.__opendb()
admin(12703):   File "/usr/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
admin(12703):     self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
admin(12703): EOFError: EOF read where object expected
admin(12703): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(12703): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#11, Nov 17 1999, 22:58:09)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314 (egcs-1.1.2 
admin(12703): sys.executable = /usr/contrib/bin/python
admin(12703): sys.prefix     = /usr/contrib
admin(12703): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/contrib
admin(12703): sys.path       = /usr/contrib
admin(12703): sys.platform   = bsdos4
admin(12703): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(12703):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /usr/home/celebrityaccess/html
admin(12703):   SERVER_ADDR: 206.168.76.163
admin(12703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(12703):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(12703):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /usr/home/celebrityaccess/html/encore
admin(12703):   REMOTE_ADDR: 24.48.172.13
admin(12703):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1
admin(12703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(12703):   REMOTE_PORT: 4756
admin(12703):   SERVER_NAME: www.celebrityaccess.com
admin(12703):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(12703):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; U)
admin(12703):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8

-- 
Rene Churchill                    http://www.vtwebwizard.com
Internet Consulting               802-244-5151
Specializing in Web Programming



From mjs at blitz-technology.net  Thu Aug 23 02:42:49 2001
From: mjs at blitz-technology.net (Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:42:49 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe and unsubscribe addresses
Message-ID: <20010823104249.A10343@blitz-technology.net>

Is it at all possible with mailman and exim to set up subscribe and unsubscribe addresses like used on yahoogroups or other
lists run by ezmlm. for example to subscribe to list test I would send a blank email to test-subscribe at mydomain.com etc.  

I think it would be possible by setting up a director rule in exim or by adding an extra alias and pipeing it through
procmail or something. 

Any suggestions on how I could do this?

Thanks

>From Mitchell





From gunnar at anzinger.com  Thu Aug 23 03:52:13 2001
From: gunnar at anzinger.com (Gunnar Anzinger)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:52:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content of welcome message
Message-ID: 

Hello!

I have disabled digest mode and monthly password reminders for my
mailinglist in the administrative interface, but the welcome message which
is sent to new subscribers still refers to these features. How can I
correct this?

Bye, Gunnar




From morris at unc.edu  Thu Aug 23 05:24:44 2001
From: morris at unc.edu (Joe Morris)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:24:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in MM v1.1: TypeError, not enough arguments
Message-ID: 

Someone sent a worm to one of our major mailing lists.  One of the ISP's
for one of the recipients has a goofy mail setup (to put it lightly).  The
result is what appears to be a malformed email message.  Mailman is
holding it in the queue since the address does not match a subscriber (as
I have it configured to do so).

However, any and all attempts to Discard the message from the admin
interface results in...

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
    HandleRequests(doc)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests
    list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
    self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in
HandlePostRequest
    self.LogMsg("vette", note)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 835, in LogMsg
    logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

...and here is the actual email (note the screwy from line)...

>From capnc-admin Wed Aug 22 08:25:00 2001
Received: from crashnburn.mc.duke.edu (crashnburn.mc.duke.edu
[152.3.118.249])
	by mail.nc-cap.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7MCP0A20919
	for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:25:00 -0400
From: crashnburn/DUMC_Services/mc/Duke%MC

X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:24:53 -0400
Subject: Report to Recipient(s)
To: capnc at nc-cap.org
Message-ID: 
X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on
crashnburn/DUMC_Services/mc/Duke(Release 5.0.7 |March
 21, 2001) at 08/22/2001 08:24:55 AM
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Incident Information:-

Originator:    capnc-admin at nc-cap.org
Recipients:    capnc at nc-cap.org
Subject:  [CAPNC] BULLETIN NO 01-08

WARNING:  The file BULLETIN NO 01-08.doc.pif you received was infected
with
the W32/SirCam at MM virus.  The file attachment was not successfully
cleaned.



How do I get rid of this message from the queue?  I see it's in config.db,
but have not figured out a way to hack it to get rid of the garbage.


_______________________________________________________
Joe Morris                http://www.ibiblio.org/morris
Web Systems Manager, ATN            http://help.unc.edu
UNC-Chapel Hill                      http://www.unc.edu




From frank at belgonet.be  Mon Aug 20 14:26:12 2001
From: frank at belgonet.be (frank goossens)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:26:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
Message-ID: 

do not try to edit the config.db, use the command line programs (located
in ~mailman/bin) to do so:

echo  | ./remove_members -f - 

or, if you write the user(s) you want to remove a batch of users, which
you wrote to a textfile (one email-adress per line)

./remove_members -f  

good luck,
frank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: GreenNet User Support [mailto:support at gn.apc.org]
> Sent: maandag 20 augustus 2001 14:09
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems Unsubscribing Users
> 
> 
> 
> I need to manually unsubscribe a user from a mailman lists (i.e. not
> through the HTML interface.
> 
> Can someone tell me the name of the file I have to edit.  I thought it
> would have been located in the listname/config.db file but I 
> can't find it
> there.
> 
> Phil Carr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From llalonde at giref.ulaval.ca  Tue Aug 21 20:01:29 2001
From: llalonde at giref.ulaval.ca (Luc Lalonde)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:01:29 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving installation directory
Message-ID: <3B82A1F9.825F9BBD@giref.ulaval.ca>

Hello Folks,

I want to move the installation directory after having upgraded from
2.0.0 to 2.0.6.  I saw the script bin/move_list.
Apart from the path changes in the aliases, httpd.conf, access.conf and
the mailman crontab, is there anything else that needs to be done?

Cheers.
Please CC: llalonde at giref.ulaval.ca


-- 
Luc Lalonde, Responsable du reseau GIREF

Telephone: (418) 656-2131 poste 6623
Courriel: llalonde at giref.ulaval.ca
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From nb at cisto.com  Tue Aug 21 19:52:54 2001
From: nb at cisto.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:52:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender Fronter
In-Reply-To: <000a01c12a5a$09fbba80$1f8db3d1@oemcomputer>
	(sbrooks@earthlink.net)
References: <000a01c12a5a$09fbba80$1f8db3d1@oemcomputer>
Message-ID: <200108211752.f7LHqsi08233@quill.local>

"Sam Brooks"  wrote:

> On my old lists,  Majordomo allowed me insert the following:
> 
> "Posted to HerbInfo by "
> 
> I had forgotten about this until a listmember asked what happened to it.
> 
> Can I implement a similar feature in Mailman?

This is easy.  Just ask the person who installed Mailman for you
(me :-) to put in a simple little filter script which adds this.

> Your indulgence please.  I did not install Mailman, therefore don't
> have any of the readme's that came with it.  Searched this list's
> archives and don't come up with anything relevant.

Greetings, Norbert.

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From jdl at ticnet.com  Tue Aug 21 21:32:02 2001
From: jdl at ticnet.com (Jim Larrabee)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:32:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting archive files
Message-ID: 

Hi all,

Is there a way for the admin to delete the archive files? Thanks in advance.

Jim Larrabee



From gerardo at tij.uia.mx  Tue Aug 21 21:53:21 2001
From: gerardo at tij.uia.mx (gerardo at tij.uia.mx)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:53:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem
Message-ID: <998423601.3b82bc316dc2c@www.tij.uia.mx>

                                                                         21/8/01

Hello...I Installed mailman and I have this little problem....
I have a list...example foo at tij.uia.mx
Now....when I try to add users from the same domain....
example..   foo at tij.uia.mx
The server tells me that the mail loops back, and I just don't know what to 
do....
I've tried everything...but no good...
I just want to know if I have to run mailman from another domain or change 
something on the domain file..or what?

Everytime that it loops back....it shows some numbers and then it types
Error: mail loops back to me!  MX problem?

I'd be very thankful if you could help me.....

                                                             Gerardo



From jleach at drivingbeat.com  Wed Aug 22 18:25:24 2001
From: jleach at drivingbeat.com (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 09:25:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Securing Apache.
Message-ID: <20010822092524.A9642@yukon.drivingbeat.com>

hi,

I need to secure my MailMan lists from the public. We would like to use it
for internal communication recording and indexing.  Can anyone suggest
how I would do this?

Thanks,
j.


-- 
......................
..... Jason C. Leach
.. 



From josh at joshmeans.com  Wed Aug 22 18:38:22 2001
From: josh at joshmeans.com (Josh Means)
Date: 22 Aug 2001 12:38:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web_page_url
Message-ID: <998498302.1619.22.camel@syphon>

Hi,

I have set the web_page_url option incorrectly (base URL for the web
interface) and I can no longer use the web interface for Mailman.  

The web page refers to using the command line to fix this error,
howerver, it gives no other details about how to fix it.  The FAQ at
http://www.list.org/faq.html makes no reference to this problem.  Can
someone point me in the right direction to figure out how to fix this
problem or possibly suggest a solution.

I'm not currently on the mailman-users list, so if you could please
reply directly to this email I would appreciate it.

Thanks so much for the help.

Josh




-- 
Josh Means - josh at joshmeans.com 



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Aug 22 21:10:06 2001
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 12:10:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman's forte...
In-Reply-To: <28188.998463553@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:59:13PM -0700
References:   <28188.998463553@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20010822121006.A17175@magic.merlins.org>

On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:59:13PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
>   -- SVLUG.org is running Debian.  I don't know if they're running
>   from a Debian Mailman package or not.  They appear on the surface

Nope. I always run mailman from source :-)

If there is a problem with mailman on the svlug site, please send us Email
to webmaster at svlug.org.

Thanks
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From ljiang at agere.com  Wed Aug 22 22:55:42 2001
From: ljiang at agere.com (Ling Jiang)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 16:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to list archive index with the date
Message-ID: <3B841C4E.C5F51BB5@agere.com>

Sir,

Is there any way to put the date in the posting to the index lines in an
archive
of a mailing list?

Thanks.



--


    _/_/_/         _/_/_/_/_/
     _/_/   Ling     _/_/
    _/_/   Jiang    _/_/
   _/_/    _/      _/_/
_/_/_/_/_/_/   _/_/_/
Ling Jiang
IBM GS for Agere Systems
Allentown, PA18103
610-712-2426
ljiang at agere.com





From LoriLeech at bigfoot.com  Thu Aug 23 04:19:04 2001
From: LoriLeech at bigfoot.com (Lori Leech)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:19:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to send out newsletters without the option for  users to
post?  Is there a way to set it up so they don't need a password?

Thank you.
Lori Leech




From alaric at babcom.com  Thu Aug 23 06:48:47 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 21:48:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Securing Apache.
In-Reply-To: <20010822092524.A9642@yukon.drivingbeat.com>; from jleach@drivingbeat.com on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:25:24AM -0700
References: <20010822092524.A9642@yukon.drivingbeat.com>
Message-ID: <20010822214847.B3866@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:25:24AM -0700, Jason C. Leach wrote:
> hi,
> 
> I need to secure my MailMan lists from the public. We would like to use it
> for internal communication recording and indexing.  Can anyone suggest
> how I would do this?

All you need to do is make the list subscription policy to confirm+approve,
set posting to members only, and restrict access to the /mailman/ 
directory on your webserver to internal hosts.


-- 
 Linux Now!   ..........Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.
 phil stracchino   --   the renaissance man   --   mystic zen biker geek
        alaric at babcom.com                halmayne at sourceforge.net
   2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold)



From alaric at babcom.com  Thu Aug 23 07:00:37 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:00:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
In-Reply-To: ; from LoriLeech@bigfoot.com on Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:19:04PM -0700
References: 
Message-ID: <20010822220037.C3866@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:19:04PM -0700, Lori Leech wrote:
> Is there a way to send out newsletters without the option for users to
> post?

My understanding is that there is not, at this time, any way to create an 
explicitly read-only mailing list.  All you can do is make it a moderated 
list and reject all postings except your own newsletter postings.


>  Is there a way to set it up so they don't need a password?

No.  But they only need the password to unsubscribe, change their 
subscription options, or read the list archives, and they can set it to 
whatever they want.


-- 
 Linux Now!   ..........Because friends don't let friends use Microsoft.
 phil stracchino   --   the renaissance man   --   mystic zen biker geek
        alaric at babcom.com                halmayne at sourceforge.net
   2000 CBR929RR, 1991 VFR750F3 (foully murdered), 1986 VF500F (sold)



From benwa at ocentrix.com  Thu Aug 23 10:47:21 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:47:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content of welcome message
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010823013309.033bbe00@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 03:52 AM 8/23/01 +0200, Gunnar Anzinger wrote:
>Hello!
>
>I have disabled digest mode and monthly password reminders for my
>mailinglist in the administrative interface, but the welcome message which
>is sent to new subscribers still refers to these features. How can I
>correct this?

The text of the default welcome message cannot be customized per list in 
any version Pre 2.1.  You can however customize it for the whole site by 
changing the file $prefix/templates/subscribeack.txt.  There are however 
quite a few places that make mention of the digest, and monthly password 
reminders.  I made similar modifications to my lists and ended up 
obfuscating the user option page altogether.  Below is a list of all of the 
stuff that I did to make this happen.

         -Changed the default 'listinfo' template to remove the
         link to the user options page.  Also added some html and
         javascript to allow a password to be sent to a subscriber
         from this page.

         -Hacked the script 'HTMLFormatter.py' to expand the token
          into a url for the handle_opts script.
         (this is used for the password reminder button on the
         listinfo page.)

         -Changed the default 'subscriback.txt' (welcome email message),
         'help.txt' (email command instructions), 'userpass.txt' (user
         solicited password reminder), and 'cronpass.txt' (automatic
         password reminder) templates to compensate for the obfuscation
         of the user page by removing any reference to this page. Also
         removed all references to digests, roster and posting to the list.

         -Changed the template 'verify.txt' to make it easier to
         understand that all you have to do is reply to the email.
         Also removed the part that tells you who submitted the
         subscription request.

         -Changed the script 'handle_opts.py' to create a link to the
         main listinfo page instead of the handle_opts page when
         asking for a password reminder. (or performing any other user
         option change)

This all amounts to a lot of modification, that I'm finding is a bit of a 
hassle, especially when it comes to upgrading and patching, but that's what 
the client wanted.  If you'd like me to share the code I will, but at this 
point I can only give you a diff between my version and 2.0.3.  This diff 
also contains other changes that I've made.  If you wait a while (days?) I 
can probably get you a diff against 2.0.6.  Let me know if you're interested.

Good luck,

- Ben





From rclayton at aprisma.com  Thu Aug 23 14:17:56 2001
From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Double emails
Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE521@amt-exc1.aprisma.com>

Has anyone experienced double emails from posters?
I am the admin and within the last couple months I have been getting dupes of every message. 
One is from the list and one is from the admin account of the list.
I have gone thru the settings and can not find anything that would indicate such a service.
 HELP! The intensity of posters has grown in my list and now I am swimming in them...
Any help is appreciated.


Bob




From mailman at vo.cnchost.com  Thu Aug 23 18:40:53 2001
From: mailman at vo.cnchost.com (JC Dill)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Double emails
In-Reply-To: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE521@amt-exc1.aprisma.
 com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20010823093848.02924ad0@pop3.vo.cnchost.com>

On 05:17 AM 8/23/01, Clayton, Robert wrote:
 >Has anyone experienced double emails from posters?
 >I am the admin and within the last couple months I have been getting dupes
 >of every message.
 >One is from the list and one is from the admin account of the list.
 >I have gone thru the settings and can not find anything that would indicate
 >such a service.
 > HELP! The intensity of posters has grown in my list and now I am swimming
 >in them...
 >Any help is appreciated.

I bet your admin account was accidently subscribed as a list member 
(probably as a result of an attempt to subscribe some other address 
manually via email, and ending up with an improperly formatted email 
message that subscribed the email address you were sending "From:" rather 
than the email address you were attempting to add).  Look again...

jc




From mlogemann at morelogs.de  Thu Aug 23 18:53:03 2001
From: mlogemann at morelogs.de (Marc Logemann)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:53:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Subscribe Template / Subscribe Script
Message-ID: 

Hi,

if i change the subscription results template to
something like



foo



the result will be







foo



the first 5 lines seem to come directly from the
program instead of the template.

I use 2.05 of mailman, is this fixed in 2.06?

i cant fix it myself, because i cant write python.

thx

morelogs  |  Marc Logemann,  CTO
____________________________________________________________
Rellinghauser Str. 332 ? D-45136 Essen ? Germany
T: +49 201 84 188-177 ? F: +49 201 84 188-199
mlogemann at morelogs.de ? http://www.morelogs.de




From rclayton at aprisma.com  Thu Aug 23 19:08:54 2001
From: rclayton at aprisma.com (Clayton, Robert)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:08:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Double emails
Message-ID: <5B628B202658D411AD8700508B7869F8038FE527@amt-exc1.aprisma.com>

Thanks JC,

But that isn't the case,
just went thru each one and checked them. My admin is not in the list. 
Any other ideas? 


thanks,
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: JC Dill [mailto:mailman at vo.cnchost.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:41 PM
To: Clayton, Robert; 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Double emails


On 05:17 AM 8/23/01, Clayton, Robert wrote:
 >Has anyone experienced double emails from posters?
 >I am the admin and within the last couple months I have been getting dupes
 >of every message.
 >One is from the list and one is from the admin account of the list.
 >I have gone thru the settings and can not find anything that would indicate
 >such a service.
 > HELP! The intensity of posters has grown in my list and now I am swimming
 >in them...
 >Any help is appreciated.

I bet your admin account was accidently subscribed as a list member 
(probably as a result of an attempt to subscribe some other address 
manually via email, and ending up with an improperly formatted email 
message that subscribed the email address you were sending "From:" rather 
than the email address you were attempting to add).  Look again...

jc



From s864107 at mail.yzu.edu.tw  Thu Aug 23 06:30:12 2001
From: s864107 at mail.yzu.edu.tw (=?Big5?B?s6+5bL9w?=)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:30:12 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install mailman with postfix question
Message-ID: <000701c12b8c$4ee60dc0$21918a8c@netlab.cse.yzu.edu.tw>

Hi all ,

    I install mailman on my Mandrake 8.0 , and follow the Install doc in
mailman package , step by step.
But now when I send mail to maillist , it only receive on the aliases
account. I ask my friend , he said that I must use a filter , but a still
don't understand what I must setup ?



From tduong at el.nec.com  Thu Aug 23 12:08:01 2001
From: tduong at el.nec.com (Thiep Duong)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:08:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in installation
Message-ID: <3B84D601.F70D8A86@el.nec.com>

Hi, 

First time trying to build Mailman .....

after making newlist test, I got email like below:


You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
    http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/admin/test

The web page for users of your mailing list is: 
    http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/listinfo/test

>>> I cannot find any of these index.html ?
    Where/How are they be built?

There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:
    test-request at edaweb

>>> This messages is not waht I want.  The mail list name is 'test'
    so I want the message to say test at edaweb.el.nec.com
    How tochange this?

To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.

Please address all questions to mailman-owner at edaweb.

>>> Same here.  I already have my mm_cfg.py changed to
    MAILMAN_OWNER, but it doesn seems to work.

# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'edaweb'
# DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash!
DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/sendmail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/private'
HOME_PAGE         = 'index.html'
MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'tduong at el.nec.com'
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

DEFAULT_BOUNCE_MATCHING_HEADERS = """
# Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
to: tduong at el.nec.com
message-id: mtv205.el.nec.com
from: Mailman at edawebm
from: .*@el.nec.com
"""

BTW:  I am running on solaris_2.7.  Using Netscape netsuite
      as http-server.

is there a web-base user group that I can search for help
without sending mail, and perhaps do more reading on my onw?

-- 
==================================================================
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Phone:    (408) 588-6166          | 2880 Scott Blvd, M/S SC2401
FAX:      (408) 588-5434          | Santa Clara   CA 95052-8062 
Internet: Thiep_Duong at el.nec.com  |



From achim at zpr.uni-koeln.de  Thu Aug 23 15:32:02 2001
From: achim at zpr.uni-koeln.de (Achim Gaedke)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 15:32:02 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A timestamp is missing in httpd-log ...
Message-ID: 

Hi!

Yesterday, I've ziped all logs from ~mailman/logs and created new ones...
Unfortunately I forgot to set write access for the group mailman, too.
This blocks all mailman page accesses! (Is this behaviour desired?)

To trace down this error, I found messages in httpd-errors from apache
1.3.3, this message was helpful, but one thing was missing:

A date stamp!

Maybe it is good to add one.

Yours!

Achim


Here is an example:

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[----- Mailman Version: 2.0.6 -----]
[----- Traceback ------]
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/homes/mailman/scripts/driver", line 71, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/homes/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/homes/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/homes/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/homes/mailman/logs/error'
[----- Python Information -----]
sys.version    = 2.0 (#2, Mar  9 2001, 11:14:33) 
[GCC 2.8.0]
sys.executable = /homes/mailman/python-2.0/bin/python
sys.prefix     = /homes/mailman/python-2.0
sys.exec_prefix= /homes/mailman/python-2.0
sys.path       = /homes/mailman/python-2.0
sys.platform   = sunos5
[----- Environment Variables -----]
        DOCUMENT_ROOT: /vol/www/Pages
        HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
        REMOTE_HOST: d15h00j.faculty.fbk.eur.nl
        SERVER_PORT: 80
        PATH_TRANSLATED: /vol/www/Pages/dmanet
        REMOTE_ADDR: 130.115.26.33
        HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
        REQUEST_URI: /mailman/listinfo/dmanet
        GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
        SERVER_NAME: www.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE
        TZ: MET
        HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.08 [en] (WinNT; I)
        HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
        HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
image/png, */*
        HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
        LD_LIBRARY_PATH: /zpr/gnu/lib
        QUERY_STRING: 
        SCRIPT_FILENAME: /homes/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo
        PATH_INFO: /dmanet
        HTTP_HOST: www.zpr.uni-koeln.de
        REQUEST_METHOD: GET
        SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
        SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/listinfo
        SERVER_ADMIN: webmaster at zpr.uni-koeln.de
        SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.3 (Unix) PHP/3.0.5 mod_ssl/2.1.0
SSLeay/0.9.0b
        PYTHONPATH: /homes/mailman
        HTTP_REFERER: http://www.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE/dmanet/
        SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
        REMOTE_PORT: 2812


Achim Gaedke, ZPR
Weyertal 80, 50931 K?ln
Tel: +49 221 470 6021




From WayneR at strosniders.com  Thu Aug 23 20:27:39 2001
From: WayneR at strosniders.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:27:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install on Suse 7.2 box - Weird problem help.
Message-ID: <951703DE931CD511A80600A0C9825BAA2778@BETH-EMAIL>

 First off - Thank you Barry and company for such a great program.  I can't
tell you how much it has made my life easier to manage a list with mailman.

 Secondly - I am trying to replace an older 2.0beta2 install with a new box
running Suse 7.2 and Mailman 2.1a2.  I have installed with the docs to the
"T", check_perms & check_perms -f are both reporting no problems.  I tried
adding a new list with the command "bin/newlist" and then entering the
inputs at the prompts and at the end it asks to mail notification to the
list owner.  I hit return and wait (I set myself as list owner).  I get
nothing.  I went into the mailman logs and sendmail logs and can't find a
trace of the email.  I did try using the regular "mail
user at whateverdomain.com" and it worked fine.  I am a little puzzled as where
to look next.  Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Wayne  



From benwa at ocentrix.com  Thu Aug 23 20:52:38 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:52:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in installation
In-Reply-To: <3B84D601.F70D8A86@el.nec.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823105157.00a93dc0@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 03:08 AM 8/23/2001 -0700, Thiep Duong wrote:
>Hi,
>
>First time trying to build Mailman .....
>
>after making newlist test, I got email like below:
>
>
>You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
>     http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/admin/test
>
>The web page for users of your mailing list is:
>     http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/listinfo/test
>
> >>> I cannot find any of these index.html ?
>     Where/How are they be built?

These pages aren't static HTML pages.  There is no index.html.  They are 
generated by the scripts admin.py and listinfo.py respectively.  You can 
find them in the directory $prefix/Mailman/Cgi.  However, if you want to 
make modifications to the way these pages look for your "test" list you 
have to do it in different ways.  If you want to modify the listinfo page 
that you see at
http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/listinfo/test
you need to log into the administrative interface for this list and click 
on the link to "Edit the HTML for the public list pages." link.  You can 
edit the template for this page by hand if you really want to, but I 
wouldn't recommend doing it unless you have the skill necessary to find 
where it is in your file system :)

Editing the list admin page at
http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/admin/test
is much more complex and cannot be done on a per list basis.  You should 
only attempt to change this page if you have some python coding skills and 
want to affect all of your lists.


>There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
>of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
>with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:
>     test-request at edaweb
>
> >>> This messages is not waht I want.  The mail list name is 'test'
>     so I want the message to say test at edaweb.el.nec.com
>     How tochange this?

It looks like you may have one of two questions here so I'll address both.

1. If you're concerned about the part that says "test-request at ..." you 
don't need to be.  The address for POSTING to the list is going to be 
"test at ...".  the "test-request" address is only for making administrative 
requests.

2. If you're concerned about the part that says "... at edaweb" and you want 
it to say "... at edaweb.el.nec.com" Then you need to log into the 
administrative interface for the list and change the option "Host name this 
list prefers.".  I'd bet that is currently says "edaweb".  You should 
change it to "edaweb.el.nec.com".

>To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
>click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
>Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
>your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
>member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.
>
>Please address all questions to mailman-owner at edaweb.
>
> >>> Same here.  I already have my mm_cfg.py changed to
>     MAILMAN_OWNER, but it doesn seems to work.
>
># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'edaweb'

Change this if you want future lists to have their aliases, and thus their 
addresses to be on "edaweb.el.nec.com"

># DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash!
>DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/'
>PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/sendmail'
>PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/private'

Are you aware that These arechive urls are appended to the "Base Url for 
Mailman web interface" as listed on the list admin page?  This is going to 
be the value of DEFAULT_URL unless you change it.  This means that the 
public archive url for your is going to be
http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/sendmail
and the url for your private archives is
http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/private
Is this what you want?

>HOME_PAGE         = 'index.html'
>MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'tduong at el.nec.com'
>DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'

This delivery module is currently insecure and not very well maintained 
IIRC.  If you are using Sendmail, you should use "SMTPDirect" instead.

>DEFAULT_BOUNCE_MATCHING_HEADERS = """
># Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
>to: tduong at el.nec.com
>message-id: mtv205.el.nec.com
>from: Mailman at edawebm
>from: .*@el.nec.com
>"""
>
>BTW:  I am running on solaris_2.7.  Using Netscape netsuite
>       as http-server.
>
>is there a web-base user group that I can search for help
>without sending mail, and perhaps do more reading on my onw?

You can find links to various Mailman resources on the Mailman site 
http://www.list.org  You can also search through the mailman deiscussion 
list archives at http://search.python.org (select python mailing list 
archives and turn off all other collections.)

Good Luck,

- Ben




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Thu Aug 23 21:11:48 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:11:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New install on Suse 7.2 box - Weird
  problem help.
In-Reply-To: <951703DE931CD511A80600A0C9825BAA2778@BETH-EMAIL>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823120249.00a94a50@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 02:27 PM 8/23/2001 -0400, Wayne Ringling wrote:

>  First off - Thank you Barry and company for such a great program.  I can't
>tell you how much it has made my life easier to manage a list with mailman.
>
>  Secondly - I am trying to replace an older 2.0beta2 install with a new box
>running Suse 7.2 and Mailman 2.1a2.  I have installed with the docs to the
>"T", check_perms & check_perms -f are both reporting no problems.  I tried
>adding a new list with the command "bin/newlist" and then entering the
>inputs at the prompts and at the end it asks to mail notification to the
>list owner.  I hit return and wait (I set myself as list owner).  I get
>nothing.  I went into the mailman logs and sendmail logs and can't find a
>trace of the email.  I did try using the regular "mail
>user at whateverdomain.com" and it worked fine.  I am a little puzzled as where
>to look next.  Any ideas greatly appreciated.

Questions about the alpha release 2.1a2 will have a better chance of being 
answered if addressed to the development list 
mailman-developers at python.org  If you're going to be using this in a 
production environment I'd recommend using the latest stable release 2.0.6 
instead of the rapidly changing 2.1aX versions.

Good Luck,

- Ben




From arandall at auntminnie.com  Thu Aug 23 22:54:24 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Subscribe Template / Subscribe Script
References: 
Message-ID: <3B856D80.7887E00A@auntminnie.com>

Hi Marc,

If you can handle HTML, Python won't be *that* much of a stretch, more
so since you aren't writing new code - just reverse-engineering
existing code - and more so yet because you're looking for a section
that blatantly looks like HTML. :-) What I tend to do is, make a
backup of the existing file, tweak the new one around and see if I can
get it to do what I want, then test the mailing lists several times
over to check for odd behaviour. There's some good intro guides on the
web, too. You can do it; we have faith in you. ;-)

::whispering:: Hack the source, Luke...


=)
Amanda


Marc Logemann wrote:

> Hi,
>
> if i change the subscription results template to
> something like
>
> 
> 
> foo
> 
> 
>
> the result will be
>
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> foo
> 
> 
>
> the first 5 lines seem to come directly from the
> program instead of the template.
>
> I use 2.05 of mailman, is this fixed in 2.06?
>
> i cant fix it myself, because i cant write python.
>
> thx
>
> morelogs  |  Marc Logemann,  CTO
> ____________________________________________________________
> Rellinghauser Str. 332 ? D-45136 Essen ? Germany
> T: +49 201 84 188-177 ? F: +49 201 84 188-199
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>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Aug 23 23:51:44 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:51:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Subscribe Template / Subscribe Script 
In-Reply-To: Message from Amanda  
   of "Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:54:24 PDT." <3B856D80.7887E00A@auntminnie.com> 
References:   <3B856D80.7887E00A@auntminnie.com> 
Message-ID: <24008.998603504@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:54:24 -0700 
arandall   wrote:

> ::whispering:: Hack the source, Luke...

One could also apply the following patch from the Debian package
which seems to do The Right Thing:

----
--- mailman-2.0.6.orig/Mailman/htmlformat.py
+++ mailman-2.0.6/Mailman/htmlformat.py
@@ -278,7 +278,7 @@
         if self.title:
             output.append('%s%s' % (tab, self.title))
         output.append('%s' % tab)
-        output.append('%s--

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From tmeyer at jtmweb.com  Fri Aug 24 03:01:39 2001
From: tmeyer at jtmweb.com (Tim Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:01:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner not running?
Message-ID: <001101c12c38$566ba350$f54bead1@hp>

Everything with my installation seems to be working fine except when I
someone uses the web interface to subscribe to a list, the subscription is
shown in the subscription log as pending, and never does get posted to the
membership. I have set up the crontab entries, and have checked, they are
there.

I believe the post  is suppose to happen when qrunner is executed. I have
executed it manually, and still no post. The subscriptions are still
pending. I have checked and there are no administrative requests waiting.
Any clues from anyone would be more than appreciated.

=================================
Tim Meyer
CEO, JTM MultiMedia, Inc.
PH 515.277.1990
FX 515.279.2886
www.jtmweb.com





From pawal at blipp.com  Fri Aug 24 03:14:35 2001
From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:14:35 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner not running?
In-Reply-To: <001101c12c38$566ba350$f54bead1@hp>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Tim Meyer wrote:

> Everything with my installation seems to be working fine except when I
> someone uses the web interface to subscribe to a list, the subscription is
> shown in the subscription log as pending, and never does get posted to the
> membership. I have set up the crontab entries, and have checked, they are
> there.
>
> I believe the post  is suppose to happen when qrunner is executed. I have
> executed it manually, and still no post. The subscriptions are still
> pending. I have checked and there are no administrative requests waiting.
> Any clues from anyone would be more than appreciated.

Check your locks-directory if there is any qrunner or list locks, and if
there are any mails to be delivered to your MTA in the qfiles directory.

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From tmeyer at jtmweb.com  Fri Aug 24 03:22:07 2001
From: tmeyer at jtmweb.com (Tim Meyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner not running?
References: 
Message-ID: <001901c12c3b$30dbfa60$f54bead1@hp>

Patrick,

Thanks for reply. The locks directory is empty, and the qfiles has no
messages waiting.



---- Original Message -----
From: "Patrik Wallstrom" 
To: "Tim Meyer" 
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] qrunner not running?


> On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Tim Meyer wrote:
>
> > Everything with my installation seems to be working fine except when I
> > someone uses the web interface to subscribe to a list, the subscription
is
> > shown in the subscription log as pending, and never does get posted to
the
> > membership. I have set up the crontab entries, and have checked, they
are
> > there.
> >
> > I believe the post  is suppose to happen when qrunner is executed. I
have
> > executed it manually, and still no post. The subscriptions are still
> > pending. I have checked and there are no administrative requests
waiting.
> > Any clues from anyone would be more than appreciated.
>
> Check your locks-directory if there is any qrunner or list locks, and if
> there are any mails to be delivered to your MTA in the qfiles directory.
>
> --
>  patrik wallstrom     |      f o o d f i g h t
>  tel: +46-8-6188428   |      s t o c k h o l m
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>
>
>





From brian at thefinleys.com  Fri Aug 24 04:40:34 2001
From: brian at thefinleys.com (Brian Elliott Finley)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:40:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Private archive: authentication success/view fail
Message-ID: <20010823214034.E871@thefinleys.com>

I have a list setup with a private archive.  When I try to access the
archives, I log in successfully and am presented with the expected view
of archives by month.  But when I click on one of the "View by:" links,
I'm taken back to the authentication screen.

How do I resolve this?


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From bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie  Fri Aug 24 06:14:01 2001
From: bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie (Robert Crosbie)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:14:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Private archive: authentication success/view fail
In-Reply-To: <20010823214034.E871@thefinleys.com>; from brian@thefinleys.com on Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:40:34PM -0500
References: <20010823214034.E871@thefinleys.com>
Message-ID: <20010824051401.F6198@fred.internal>

Brian Elliott Finley hath declared on Thursday the 23 day of August 2001  :-:
> I have a list setup with a private archive.  When I try to access the
> archives, I log in successfully and am presented with the expected view
> of archives by month.  But when I click on one of the "View by:" links,
> I'm taken back to the authentication screen.
> 
> How do I resolve this?
 
This sounds like you need to turn on cookies in your browser,
as the authentication screen suggests.

- bobb




From brian at thefinleys.com  Fri Aug 24 06:52:25 2001
From: brian at thefinleys.com (Brian Elliott Finley)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:52:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Private archive: authentication success/view fail
In-Reply-To: <20010824051401.F6198@fred.internal>
References: <20010823214034.E871@thefinleys.com> <20010824051401.F6198@fred.internal>
Message-ID: <20010823235225.F871@thefinleys.com>

Thus spake Robert Crosbie (bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie):

> Brian Elliott Finley hath declared on Thursday the 23 day of August 2001  :-:
> > I have a list setup with a private archive.  When I try to access the
> > archives, I log in successfully and am presented with the expected view
> > of archives by month.  But when I click on one of the "View by:" links,
> > I'm taken back to the authentication screen.
> > 
> > How do I resolve this?
>  
> This sounds like you need to turn on cookies in your browser,
> as the authentication screen suggests.
> 
> - bobb

Thanks for the response, Bobb.  It does sound like a cookies issue, but
I do have cookies enabled in my browser.  I even tried two different
browsers (Opera and Mozilla) with the same result.

Do you have other suggestions that I could try?

-Brian


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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Fri Aug 24 09:18:15 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:18:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner not running?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A201@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Meyer [mailto:tmeyer at jtmweb.com]
> 
> Everything with my installation seems to be working fine except when I
> someone uses the web interface to subscribe to a list, the 
> subscription is
> shown in the subscription log as pending, and never does get 
> posted to the
> membership. I have set up the crontab entries, and have 
> checked, they are
> there.
> 
> I believe the post  is suppose to happen when qrunner is 
> executed. I have
> executed it manually, and still no post. The subscriptions are still
> pending. I have checked and there are no administrative 
> requests waiting.
> Any clues from anyone would be more than appreciated.

What type of subscription is setup? Confirm? Approve? Both?
Have you checked for pending subscriptions through the webinterface?
Are there any errors in the mailman or MTA (sendmail? postfix? exim?) logs?

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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Fri Aug 24 09:22:54 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:22:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install mailman with postfix question
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A202@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: s864107 at mail.yzu.edu.tw [mailto:s864107 at mail.yzu.edu.tw]
> 
> But now when I send mail to maillist , it only receive on the aliases
> account. I ask my friend , he said that I must use a filter , 
> but a still
> don't understand what I must setup ?

I think it's not quite clear what you mean here... what do you mean by "only
receive on the aliases account"?

Did you add the aliases generated by the new_list command to your aliases
database; you need to do this manually. Did you issue a newaliases command?

Are there any related errors in de Mailman or Postfix logfiles? If so, what
are they?

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From ml at mediaserv.fr  Fri Aug 24 09:42:07 2001
From: ml at mediaserv.fr (Emmanuel Beuque)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:42:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Correct upper-ascii encoding in outgoing messages
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm a new user of Mailman and got v2.0.3 installed by my provider.
I try to set up Mailman in order to manage a french-speaking mailing-list so I would like accented and diacritical chars that I put in customized welcome messages to be correctly encoded and readable by any new subscribers.

I've found in the archives of Mailman-FR mailing-list (hosted at rezo.net) that  modification should be done in the file mailman/message.py in order to add a proper header as the following extract (3rd line was added to original mailman file)

class UserNotification(OutgoingMessage):
    def __init__(self, recip, sender, subject=None, text=''):
        text = "MIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\nContent-transfer-encoding: 8bit\n" + text
        OutgoingMessage.__init__(self, text)
        if subject is None:
            subject = '(no subject)'
        self['Subject'] = subject
        self['From'] = sender
        if type(recip) == ListType:
            self['To'] = string.join(recip, ', ')
            self.recips = recip[:]
        else:
            self['To'] = recip
            self.recips = [recip]


I made the modification and give the new file to my provider but there seems to be a problem with it when restarting the process (problem that doesn't occur with the old file)

All the mailman web pages then show the following error :

> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.3
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing
> of traceback and other system information has been explicitly
> inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman
> error logs.

Is my modification correct ?
Is there anything else to modify at the same time in any mailman file to get this to work ?
Just an idea or a URL or instructions or whatever to help me solve this issue ?

Thanks all in advance for your help,
Best regards,

Emmanuel Beuque



From mlogemann at morelogs.de  Fri Aug 24 10:33:17 2001
From: mlogemann at morelogs.de (Marc Logemann)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:33:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Subscribe Template / Subscribe Script
Message-ID: 

This patch prevents only the incorrect HTML generation with
two  tags. Besides this you still have two  tags
and two  and so on...

i dont want to have these nasty HTML tags submitted to my
output, this makes templates totally obsolete.

It seems that i must edit subscribe script in cgi-bin
but can anybody of you tell me how to compile the
script after modifying it :)

thx

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:54:24 -0700
> arandall   wrote:

>> ::whispering:: Hack the source, Luke...

> One could also apply the following patch from the Debian package
> which seems to do The Right Thing:

> ----
> --- mailman-2.0.6.orig/Mailman/htmlformat.py
> +++ mailman-2.0.6/Mailman/htmlformat.py
> @@ -278,7 +278,7 @@
>          if self.title:
>              output.append('%s%s' % (tab, self.title))
>          output.append('%s' % tab)
> -        output.append('%s +#        output.append('%s         quals = []
>         for k, v in kws.items():
>             quals.append('%s="%s"' % (k, v))
> ----

> --
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> claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



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____________________________________________________________
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From mlogemann at morelogs.de  Fri Aug 24 11:21:50 2001
From: mlogemann at morelogs.de (Marc Logemann)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:21:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Subscribe Template / Subscribe Script
Message-ID: 

Hi,

after some research minutes i figured out that the
subscribe python script should be used as the listinfo
script with:

doc = HeadlessDocument()

Then your HTML output will be accordingly to subscribe.html template.

So, i could do my changes, if i would know how to compile my modifications :)
So, i know i asked it before, but please gimme a hint how to compile it...thx

BTW its not only headless, its also footless :)

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From gunnar at anzinger.com  Fri Aug 24 17:01:28 2001
From: gunnar at anzinger.com (Gunnar Anzinger)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:01:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Content of welcome message
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010823013309.033bbe00@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: 

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 01:47:21 -0700, Ben Burnett wrote:

> >I have disabled digest mode and monthly password reminders for my
> >mailinglist in the administrative interface, but the welcome message which
> >is sent to new subscribers still refers to these features. How can I
> >correct this?
> 
> The text of the default welcome message cannot be customized per list

This is really a pity.

> in any version Pre 2.1.

Does that mean that in version 2.1 it will become possible to customize the
various messages which are sent out to the subscribers? This would really
be a big improvement of mailman.

> You can however customize it for the whole site by changing the file
> $prefix/templates/subscribeack.txt.

I'm afraid that's not possible for me, because I'm not the server
administrator (that's my ISP). I'm just the list manager.

> This all amounts to a lot of modification, that I'm finding is a bit of a 
> hassle, especially when it comes to upgrading and patching, but that's what 
> the client wanted.  If you'd like me to share the code I will, but at this 
> point I can only give you a diff between my version and 2.0.3.  This diff 
> also contains other changes that I've made.  If you wait a while (days?) I 
> can probably get you a diff against 2.0.6.  Let me know if you're interested.

Thank you for your offer, but unfortunately I have no access to the
software itself. I can only change what can be changed in the
administrator's web interface.

Bye, Gunnar




From llalonde at giref.ulaval.ca  Fri Aug 24 20:06:01 2001
From: llalonde at giref.ulaval.ca (Luc Lalonde)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:06:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving installation directory
Message-ID: <3B869789.DAE9B0E0@giref.ulaval.ca>

Hello Folks,

Could someone point out to me the steps used to change the installation
directory.  I've upgraded my version from 2.0.0 to 2.0.6.  Right now
it's in /home/mailman.  I'd like to change to /home2/mailman.

Thanks.
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From spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv  Fri Aug 24 20:23:37 2001
From: spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv (spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 13:23:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authorization problems
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010824132219.00a7bd10@mail.loosecanon.tv>

Both of my mailing lists (one on each of two domains) forces me to 
authorize every message that goes through them including my own.  I have 
the settings set not to do this but still they do.  Does someone have a 
solution to this problem ?

Thanks.

...Bryon




From albertmb2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 24 22:02:28 2001
From: albertmb2001 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Albert=20Medina?=)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:02:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] about umbrella lists
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20010824200228.32986.qmail@web13604.mail.yahoo.com>

I don't understand  very well the umbrella lists,
maybe someone could explain it to me.

thanks.''
Albert Medina

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From andreas at conectiva.com.br  Fri Aug 24 23:23:42 2001
From: andreas at conectiva.com.br (Andreas Hasenack)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:23:42 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list: showing each email's size?
Message-ID: <20010824182342.S1128@conectiva.com.br>

Hi!
I'm running a moderated list on mailman-2.0.1. When I approve messages, is there a way
to either:
- show the size of the message?
- show the whole message in that html form?

I ask because sometimes I think a message is small when I read the
excerpt that shows up in the form but it can in fact be huge. For
example, the user says he is attaching a file (I don't mind
attachments on that list) but by mistake he, let's say, doesn't
compress it. I'm on autopilot and let the message through.

Another situation is that a user recently sent an email with a windows
virus which I couldn't see because it was at the end of the message
(a vbscript), which didn't show in that form.

Just to make it clear, I'm not asking for a way to block attachments or
virus, I'm just asking for a way for me to be able to see that info
more clearly.

Oh, and BTW, the message size limit seems to not apply when the list is
moderated, is this a "feature"?




From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Sat Aug 25 00:07:28 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix
Message-ID: <2244035678.998676448@mill95.cep.unc.edu>

Hello All -

I've been troubleshooting this for two days straight and cant seem to 
figure it out.. any help at all would be greatly appreciated.  I can't get 
MailMan to work w/ postfix and virtual domains.. below is a detailed 
description of what I am running into.   Hope you can help.

System Information
-------------------

MTA = Postfix
No sites running on machines FQDN all Virtual Hosts
MailMan version 2.0.6

Install Info
----------------
First of all I follow the setup instructions and give one of my virtual 
hosts all the necessary privelages to run mailman.. then I

[root at mill96 mailman]# bin/newlist
Enter the name of the list: Tester
Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
Initial tester password:
Entry for aliases file:

## tester mailing list
## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
tester:                  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post tester"
tester-admin:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner tester"
tester-request:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tester"
tester-owner:            tester-admin

Hit enter to continue with tester owner notification...

**OK, so far soo good.

I get an e-mail at the address listed above.. stating that the list has 
been created at the FQDN of the machine.. NOT the virtual host that I gave 
permissions to this dir.  Thats ok, I just make a couple changes in the 
admin interface to ref. the virtual host.  Users can now go to the "virtual 
host" to the mailman area and subscribe to the list.

When a user subscribes... he gets the "are you sure" message in their 
inbox.. so far so good.. when they reply to this message to confirm.. they 
never get a confirmation.. I looked and seen that their request was pending 
so I added them manuall... is there no way for mailman to automate the 
addition of users?

I went ahead and added the users manually.. but now when they post a 
message to the specified e-mail address listname at virtualhost.org no one 
ever sees the message.. it just goes off never to be seen again.

Here are copies of my Postfix Virtual and Aliases files..

/etc/postfix/aliases

<--snip-->
#MailMan Owners
mailman:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
mailman-owner:  mailman

## engarde mailing list
## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
engarde:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post engarde"
engarde-admin:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner engarde"
engarde-request:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd engarde"
engarde-owner:           engarde-admin
<--snip-->

/etc/postfix/virtual

mill92.cep.unc.edu      VIRTUALDOMAIN

engarde at mill92.cep.unc.edu               list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
engarde-admin at mill92.cep.unc.edu        list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
engarde-request at mill92.cep.unc.edu       list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
engarde-owner at mill92.cep.unc.edu         list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu

Any help would be greatly appreciated.. I guess my questions are....

1.  Is there no way to specify a virtual host when creating a list
2.  Is there a way to automate the adding of users.. instead of it being 
"pending" till I do it manuall?

3.  Why can't anyone see the e-mail that is being sent to the list addy?

Thanks


==================================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:    (919) 966-0042
E-Mail: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
==================================================



From ryan at p11.com  Sat Aug 25 00:48:07 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix
In-Reply-To: <2244035678.998676448@mill95.cep.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <001701c12cee$d7eb5f90$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

I just recently set mailman up on my company's mailserver running
postfix and this is how I did it:

Create an alias file in the mailman install directory as user 'mailman'.
I named mine 'mm.aliases' for simplicity:

root at khyron.p11.com:/home/mail/mailman# head mm.aliases
## dcms mailing list
## created: 10-Aug-2001 root
dcms:                    "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post dcms"
dcms-admin:              "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
dcms"
dcms-request:            "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dcms"
dcms-owner:              dcms-admin

Okay, then as user 'mailman', run postalias on the mm.aliases file,
creating a mm.aliases.db file.  Exit as user mailman and open your
postfix main.cf file.  Then add a line to your alias_maps variable like
so:

root at khyron.p11.com:/etc/postfix# cat main.cf | grep mm.aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/home/mail/mailman/mm.aliases

Reload postfix.  Now, so far you have created a mailing list that
responds to list at machine.domain.com.  In my case, I have setup the list
'dcms at khyron.p11.com'.  However, I want this list to belong to the vhost
'housekurita.net'.  So... I keep a virtual file for each domain, all I
need to do is setup the correct pointers:

root at khyron.p11.com:/etc/postfix# cat v_housekurita.net | grep dcms
dcms at housekurita.net            dcms at khyron.p11.com
dcms-admin at housekurita.net      dcms-admin at khyron.p11.com
dcms-request at housekurita.net    dcms-request at khyron.p11.com
dcms-owner at housekurita.net      dcms-owner at khyron.p11.com

Refresh the virtual file by issuing 'postmap ' and then
re-reload postfix: 'postfix reload'.

Once your list is setup and before you add any users, go to your admin
interface for the list you've just created and change the 'host_name'
option for the list over to your virtual host.  In my case, host_name
becomes 'housekurita.net'.  This allows mailman to send mail out as
'dcms-admin at housekurita.net' and when a user sends to the list, it hits
your virtual file, forwards it to the local machine mail, etc.

That should answer question 1, as for 2 and 3... Those can be solved by
looking over some of the options in the admin interface.

Hope that helps... :)

Ryan C. Creasey
Network Engineer
p11creative 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Baldwin
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:07 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix


Hello All -

I've been troubleshooting this for two days straight and cant seem to 
figure it out.. any help at all would be greatly appreciated.  I can't
get 
MailMan to work w/ postfix and virtual domains.. below is a detailed 
description of what I am running into.   Hope you can help.

System Information
-------------------

MTA = Postfix
No sites running on machines FQDN all Virtual Hosts
MailMan version 2.0.6

Install Info
----------------
First of all I follow the setup instructions and give one of my virtual 
hosts all the necessary privelages to run mailman.. then I

[root at mill96 mailman]# bin/newlist
Enter the name of the list: Tester
Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
Initial tester password: Entry for aliases file:

## tester mailing list
## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
tester:                  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post tester"
tester-admin:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner tester"
tester-request:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tester"
tester-owner:            tester-admin

Hit enter to continue with tester owner notification...

**OK, so far soo good.

I get an e-mail at the address listed above.. stating that the list has 
been created at the FQDN of the machine.. NOT the virtual host that I
gave 
permissions to this dir.  Thats ok, I just make a couple changes in the 
admin interface to ref. the virtual host.  Users can now go to the
"virtual 
host" to the mailman area and subscribe to the list.

When a user subscribes... he gets the "are you sure" message in their 
inbox.. so far so good.. when they reply to this message to confirm..
they 
never get a confirmation.. I looked and seen that their request was
pending 
so I added them manuall... is there no way for mailman to automate the 
addition of users?

I went ahead and added the users manually.. but now when they post a 
message to the specified e-mail address listname at virtualhost.org no one 
ever sees the message.. it just goes off never to be seen again.

Here are copies of my Postfix Virtual and Aliases files..

/etc/postfix/aliases

<--snip-->
#MailMan Owners
mailman:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
mailman-owner:  mailman

## engarde mailing list
## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
engarde:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post engarde"
engarde-admin:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner engarde"
engarde-request:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd engarde"
engarde-owner:           engarde-admin
<--snip-->

/etc/postfix/virtual

mill92.cep.unc.edu      VIRTUALDOMAIN

engarde at mill92.cep.unc.edu               list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
engarde-admin at mill92.cep.unc.edu        list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
engarde-request at mill92.cep.unc.edu       list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
engarde-owner at mill92.cep.unc.edu         list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu

Any help would be greatly appreciated.. I guess my questions are....

1.  Is there no way to specify a virtual host when creating a list 2.
Is there a way to automate the adding of users.. instead of it being 
"pending" till I do it manuall?

3.  Why can't anyone see the e-mail that is being sent to the list addy?

Thanks


==================================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:    (919) 966-0042
E-Mail: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
==================================================

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http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Sat Aug 25 00:53:24 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:53:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix
In-Reply-To: <001701c12cee$d7eb5f90$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>
Message-ID: <2246791728.998679204@mill95.cep.unc.edu>

Wow!!  What a great reply.  I don't understand how question 3 would be 
answered in the admin interface though?  When I post to the list... 
shouldn't a message automatically be sent to all subscribers?  Currently if 
subscribers post to the list.. the message never appears.. could you give 
me a little more guidance on this question?

But most importantly "Thank You" for the great answer... I think thats got 
to be one of the most detailed answers I've ever received off of a list.. 
it was great..

Thanks

Jeff

--On Friday, August 24, 2001 3:48 PM -0700 Ryan Creasey  
wrote:

> I just recently set mailman up on my company's mailserver running
> postfix and this is how I did it:
>
> Create an alias file in the mailman install directory as user 'mailman'.
> I named mine 'mm.aliases' for simplicity:
>
> root at khyron.p11.com:/home/mail/mailman# head mm.aliases
> ## dcms mailing list
> ## created: 10-Aug-2001 root
> dcms:                    "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post dcms"
> dcms-admin:              "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
> dcms"
> dcms-request:            "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dcms"
> dcms-owner:              dcms-admin
>
> Okay, then as user 'mailman', run postalias on the mm.aliases file,
> creating a mm.aliases.db file.  Exit as user mailman and open your
> postfix main.cf file.  Then add a line to your alias_maps variable like
> so:
>
> root at khyron.p11.com:/etc/postfix# cat main.cf | grep mm.aliases
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/home/mail/mailman/mm.aliases
>
> Reload postfix.  Now, so far you have created a mailing list that
> responds to list at machine.domain.com.  In my case, I have setup the list
> 'dcms at khyron.p11.com'.  However, I want this list to belong to the vhost
> 'housekurita.net'.  So... I keep a virtual file for each domain, all I
> need to do is setup the correct pointers:
>
> root at khyron.p11.com:/etc/postfix# cat v_housekurita.net | grep dcms
> dcms at housekurita.net            dcms at khyron.p11.com
> dcms-admin at housekurita.net      dcms-admin at khyron.p11.com
> dcms-request at housekurita.net    dcms-request at khyron.p11.com
> dcms-owner at housekurita.net      dcms-owner at khyron.p11.com
>
> Refresh the virtual file by issuing 'postmap ' and then
> re-reload postfix: 'postfix reload'.
>
> Once your list is setup and before you add any users, go to your admin
> interface for the list you've just created and change the 'host_name'
> option for the list over to your virtual host.  In my case, host_name
> becomes 'housekurita.net'.  This allows mailman to send mail out as
> 'dcms-admin at housekurita.net' and when a user sends to the list, it hits
> your virtual file, forwards it to the local machine mail, etc.
>
> That should answer question 1, as for 2 and 3... Those can be solved by
> looking over some of the options in the admin interface.
>
> Hope that helps... :)
>
> Ryan C. Creasey
> Network Engineer
> p11creative
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Baldwin
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:07 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix
>
>
> Hello All -
>
> I've been troubleshooting this for two days straight and cant seem to
> figure it out.. any help at all would be greatly appreciated.  I can't
> get
> MailMan to work w/ postfix and virtual domains.. below is a detailed
> description of what I am running into.   Hope you can help.
>
> System Information
> -------------------
>
> MTA = Postfix
> No sites running on machines FQDN all Virtual Hosts
> MailMan version 2.0.6
>
> Install Info
> ----------------
> First of all I follow the setup instructions and give one of my virtual
> hosts all the necessary privelages to run mailman.. then I
>
> [root at mill96 mailman]# bin/newlist
> Enter the name of the list: Tester
> Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> Initial tester password: Entry for aliases file:
>
> ## tester mailing list
> ## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
> tester:                  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post tester"
> tester-admin:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner tester"
> tester-request:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tester"
> tester-owner:            tester-admin
>
> Hit enter to continue with tester owner notification...
>
> **OK, so far soo good.
>
> I get an e-mail at the address listed above.. stating that the list has
> been created at the FQDN of the machine.. NOT the virtual host that I
> gave
> permissions to this dir.  Thats ok, I just make a couple changes in the
> admin interface to ref. the virtual host.  Users can now go to the
> "virtual
> host" to the mailman area and subscribe to the list.
>
> When a user subscribes... he gets the "are you sure" message in their
> inbox.. so far so good.. when they reply to this message to confirm..
> they
> never get a confirmation.. I looked and seen that their request was
> pending
> so I added them manuall... is there no way for mailman to automate the
> addition of users?
>
> I went ahead and added the users manually.. but now when they post a
> message to the specified e-mail address listname at virtualhost.org no one
> ever sees the message.. it just goes off never to be seen again.
>
> Here are copies of my Postfix Virtual and Aliases files..
>
> /etc/postfix/aliases
>
> <--snip-->
> #MailMan Owners
> mailman:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> mailman-owner:  mailman
>
> ## engarde mailing list
> ## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
> engarde:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post engarde"
> engarde-admin:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner engarde"
> engarde-request:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd engarde"
> engarde-owner:           engarde-admin
> <--snip-->
>
> /etc/postfix/virtual
>
> mill92.cep.unc.edu      VIRTUALDOMAIN
>
> engarde at mill92.cep.unc.edu               list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
> engarde-admin at mill92.cep.unc.edu        list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
> engarde-request at mill92.cep.unc.edu       list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
> engarde-owner at mill92.cep.unc.edu         list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.. I guess my questions are....
>
> 1.  Is there no way to specify a virtual host when creating a list 2.
> Is there a way to automate the adding of users.. instead of it being
> "pending" till I do it manuall?
>
> 3.  Why can't anyone see the e-mail that is being sent to the list addy?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> ==================================================
> Jeff Baldwin
> Computer Consultant II
> University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
>
> Phone:  (919) 966-0096
> Fax:    (919) 966-0042
> E-Mail: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> ==================================================
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



==================================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:    (919) 966-0042
E-Mail: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
==================================================



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Sat Aug 25 01:12:37 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:12:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who had the remote mail disappearing problem?
Message-ID: <3B86DF65.D97D5892@auntminnie.com>

Someone else (maybe two somebodies) recently posted a message about
having difficulty with messages from the list going only to local
mailboxes; remote mail was disappearing. Who was that, and have you
fixed it, and if not, can I use you for a guinea pig? because I think
I may be onto something here... (or it could be too much caffeine
today, who knows...)

=)
Amanda the happy dancing little redheaded mailserver queen






From ryan at p11.com  Sat Aug 25 01:24:49 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:24:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix
In-Reply-To: <2246791728.998679204@mill95.cep.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <001901c12cf3$f850e250$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

Heh, no problem... I seriously spent a whole week trying to get this to
work right on my fbsd box; I know how fusterating this can be. :)

Hrm, maybe I misunderstood what you were asking.  Thinking about it, I
know what the problem is as well.  Have you set the cron processes up
for mailman?  It's kind of an obscure place to mention it, but in the
INSTALL document, under item '4. Final system set-up', there's a part
that explains your problem:

    - IMPERATIVE!  IMPORTANT!  DO THIS!  YOU'LL BE SORRY IF YOU DON'T!

      Set up the crontab entries.  Mailman runs a number of cron jobs
      for its basic functionality.  You need to be user `mailman' (or
      whatever you specified as --with-ownername) to perform this
      step.  Add $prefix/cron/crontab.in as a crontab entry by
      executing these commands:

          % su - mailman
          % cd $prefix/cron
          % crontab crontab.in

I think that should solve your problem.  It sounds like the mail is
being sent to the list, but mailman is deciding to not deliver it.  If
this isn't the case, try doing a 'tail -f /var/log/maillog' (or your
equivalent log file) and try sending to the list.  You should see
something similar to this:

Aug 24 16:21:18 khyron postfix/cleanup[97755]: 3C53245C:
message-id=<001801c12cf3$839c05c0$0701a8c0 at rcreasey01>
Aug 24 16:21:18 khyron postfix/qmgr[94409]: 3C53245C:
from=, size=854, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 24 16:21:18 khyron postfix/smtpd[97754]: disconnect from
unknown[151.199.86.100]
Aug 24 16:21:18 khyron postfix/local[97760]: 3C53245C:
to=, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
("|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post dcms")

Yes?  Well then your list is receiving the messages fine.  If your crons
are setup correctly, just keep watching your maillog and eventually you
should see this:

Aug 24 16:22:02 khyron postfix/smtpd[97754]: connect from
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug 24 16:22:02 khyron postfix/qmgr[94409]: 18F4745E:
from=, size=2004, nrcpt=19 (queue active)
Aug 24 16:22:02 khyron postfix/smtpd[97754]: 47877460:
client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug 24 16:22:02 khyron postfix/cleanup[97755]: 47877460:
message-id=<001801c12cf3$839c05c0$0701a8c0 at rcreasey01>
Aug 24 16:22:02 khyron postfix/smtpd[97754]: disconnect from
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Aug 24 16:22:02 khyron postfix/qmgr[94409]: 47877460:
from=, size=2025, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 24 16:22:02 khyron postfix/smtp[97791]: E01E145C:
to=, relay=mta2.nts.uci.edu[128.200.220.4],
delay=1, status=sent (250 2.0.0 f7ONKDT18926 Message accepted for
delivery)

If you don't see the response mail from 'list-admin at domain.com' soon,
then it's your crons.

Ryan C. Creasey
Network Engineer
p11creative

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Baldwin
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:53 PM
To: Ryan Creasey; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix


Wow!!  What a great reply.  I don't understand how question 3 would be 
answered in the admin interface though?  When I post to the list... 
shouldn't a message automatically be sent to all subscribers?  Currently
if 
subscribers post to the list.. the message never appears.. could you
give 
me a little more guidance on this question?

But most importantly "Thank You" for the great answer... I think thats
got 
to be one of the most detailed answers I've ever received off of a
list.. 
it was great..

Thanks

Jeff

--On Friday, August 24, 2001 3:48 PM -0700 Ryan Creasey  
wrote:

> I just recently set mailman up on my company's mailserver running 
> postfix and this is how I did it:
>
> Create an alias file in the mailman install directory as user 
> 'mailman'. I named mine 'mm.aliases' for simplicity:
>
> root at khyron.p11.com:/home/mail/mailman# head mm.aliases
> ## dcms mailing list
> ## created: 10-Aug-2001 root
> dcms:                    "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post dcms"
> dcms-admin:              "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
> dcms"
> dcms-request:            "|/home/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
dcms"
> dcms-owner:              dcms-admin
>
> Okay, then as user 'mailman', run postalias on the mm.aliases file, 
> creating a mm.aliases.db file.  Exit as user mailman and open your 
> postfix main.cf file.  Then add a line to your alias_maps variable 
> like
> so:
>
> root at khyron.p11.com:/etc/postfix# cat main.cf | grep mm.aliases 
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/home/mail/mailman/mm.aliases
>
> Reload postfix.  Now, so far you have created a mailing list that 
> responds to list at machine.domain.com.  In my case, I have setup the 
> list 'dcms at khyron.p11.com'.  However, I want this list to belong to 
> the vhost 'housekurita.net'.  So... I keep a virtual file for each 
> domain, all I need to do is setup the correct pointers:
>
> root at khyron.p11.com:/etc/postfix# cat v_housekurita.net | grep dcms
> dcms at housekurita.net            dcms at khyron.p11.com
> dcms-admin at housekurita.net      dcms-admin at khyron.p11.com
> dcms-request at housekurita.net    dcms-request at khyron.p11.com
> dcms-owner at housekurita.net      dcms-owner at khyron.p11.com
>
> Refresh the virtual file by issuing 'postmap ' and then 
> re-reload postfix: 'postfix reload'.
>
> Once your list is setup and before you add any users, go to your admin

> interface for the list you've just created and change the 'host_name' 
> option for the list over to your virtual host.  In my case, host_name 
> becomes 'housekurita.net'.  This allows mailman to send mail out as 
> 'dcms-admin at housekurita.net' and when a user sends to the list, it 
> hits your virtual file, forwards it to the local machine mail, etc.
>
> That should answer question 1, as for 2 and 3... Those can be solved 
> by looking over some of the options in the admin interface.
>
> Hope that helps... :)
>
> Ryan C. Creasey
> Network Engineer
> p11creative
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Baldwin
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:07 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan/VirtualHosts/Postfix
>
>
> Hello All -
>
> I've been troubleshooting this for two days straight and cant seem to 
> figure it out.. any help at all would be greatly appreciated.  I can't

> get MailMan to work w/ postfix and virtual domains.. below is a 
> detailed
> description of what I am running into.   Hope you can help.
>
> System Information
> -------------------
>
> MTA = Postfix
> No sites running on machines FQDN all Virtual Hosts
> MailMan version 2.0.6
>
> Install Info
> ----------------
> First of all I follow the setup instructions and give one of my 
> virtual hosts all the necessary privelages to run mailman.. then I
>
> [root at mill96 mailman]# bin/newlist
> Enter the name of the list: Tester
> Enter the email of the person running the list: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu 
> Initial tester password: Entry for aliases file:
>
> ## tester mailing list
> ## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
> tester:                  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post tester"
> tester-admin:            "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
tester"
> tester-request:          "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tester"
> tester-owner:            tester-admin
>
> Hit enter to continue with tester owner notification...
>
> **OK, so far soo good.
>
> I get an e-mail at the address listed above.. stating that the list 
> has been created at the FQDN of the machine.. NOT the virtual host 
> that I gave permissions to this dir.  Thats ok, I just make a couple 
> changes in the admin interface to ref. the virtual host.  Users can 
> now go to the "virtual
> host" to the mailman area and subscribe to the list.
>
> When a user subscribes... he gets the "are you sure" message in their 
> inbox.. so far so good.. when they reply to this message to confirm.. 
> they never get a confirmation.. I looked and seen that their request 
> was pending
> so I added them manuall... is there no way for mailman to automate the
> addition of users?
>
> I went ahead and added the users manually.. but now when they post a 
> message to the specified e-mail address listname at virtualhost.org no 
> one ever sees the message.. it just goes off never to be seen again.
>
> Here are copies of my Postfix Virtual and Aliases files..
>
> /etc/postfix/aliases
>
> <--snip-->
> #MailMan Owners
> mailman:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> mailman-owner:  mailman
>
> ## engarde mailing list
> ## created: 24-Aug-2001 baldwinj
> engarde:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post engarde"
> engarde-admin:           "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
engarde"
> engarde-request:         "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd engarde"
> engarde-owner:           engarde-admin
> <--snip-->
>
> /etc/postfix/virtual
>
> mill92.cep.unc.edu      VIRTUALDOMAIN
>
> engarde at mill92.cep.unc.edu
list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
> engarde-admin at mill92.cep.unc.edu
list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
> engarde-request at mill92.cep.unc.edu
list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
> engarde-owner at mill92.cep.unc.edu
list-engarde-mill92.cep.unc.edu
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.. I guess my questions are....
>
> 1.  Is there no way to specify a virtual host when creating a list 2. 
> Is there a way to automate the adding of users.. instead of it being 
> "pending" till I do it manuall?
>
> 3.  Why can't anyone see the e-mail that is being sent to the list 
> addy?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> ==================================================
> Jeff Baldwin
> Computer Consultant II
> University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
>
> Phone:  (919) 966-0096
> Fax:    (919) 966-0042
> E-Mail: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu 
> ==================================================
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



==================================================
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Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:    (919) 966-0042
E-Mail: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
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From jwblist at olympus.net  Sat Aug 25 03:48:15 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:48:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Subscribe Template / Subscribe Script
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

At 11:21 +0200 8/24/2001, Marc Logemann wrote:
>after some research minutes i figured out that the
>subscribe python script should be used as the listinfo
>script with:
>
>doc = HeadlessDocument()
>
>Then your HTML output will be accordingly to subscribe.html template.
>
>So, i could do my changes, if i would know how to compile my modifications :)
>So, i know i asked it before, but please gimme a hint how to compile it...thx

It should be sufficient to change the subscribe.py file.

Because the source file will be newer than the subscribe.pyc file, Python
should compile it when it is needed.

Then go through a subscribe exercise, and check that the right thing
happens, and that the subscribe.pyc file has a new date (it will, unless
there is a permissions issue).  It did work here just now.

>
>BTW its not only headless, its also footless :)
Well, that will keep it from tripping over things as it walks around.  ;-)


-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From jwblist at olympus.net  Sun Aug 26 08:03:28 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:03:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Securing Apache.
In-Reply-To: <20010822214847.B3866@babylon5.babcom.com>
References: <20010822092524.A9642@yukon.drivingbeat.com>
 <20010822214847.B3866@babylon5.babcom.com>
Message-ID: 

At 21:48 -0700 8/22/2001, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:25:24AM -0700, Jason C. Leach wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> I need to secure my MailMan lists from the public. We would like to use it
>> for internal communication recording and indexing.  Can anyone suggest
>> how I would do this?
>
>All you need to do is make the list subscription policy to confirm+approve,
>set posting to members only, and restrict access to the /mailman/
>directory on your webserver to internal hosts.

In light of recent events at the (US) Air Force Academy, one might want to
be a little more private than the above.  Such as a server which isn't
accessible to the great unwashed you're trying to keep out AND is protected
roughly as above.  Then all you have to worry about is a foolish mistake by
an MUA user whose machine sees both sides of the firewall.  (Seemingly,
that's not the same thing as happened at the Academy.)

  --John

-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From eric.brueggmann at amd.com  Sat Aug 25 00:09:17 2001
From: eric.brueggmann at amd.com (Eric Brueggmann)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:09:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invalid user entry.
Message-ID: <20010824150917.A3290@speed.amd.com>

Hello,

	I'm in the process of migrating a few (~500) mailing lists from
majordomo to mailman.  Some of the user entries in the lists are filenames.
(ie: /user/username/reflectors)  This seems like a really bad way of doing
things, but..  I didn't want to cause any trouble with the listadmins so
I'm deciding to keep it the way it is.  The only problem is that mailman
dosen't like the entry.  The error it gives is:

    * /user/XXXXXXX/npdreflectors -- Hostile Address (illegal characters)

Is there a way around this?  (besides a local mail filter?)  Sorry if this
question was asked before but I didn't see it on the FAQ, nor the "Site Admin
Guide".  Btw, both of which were very nicely done.

						Eric B.

P.S. 	Please CC me, as I am not on the list..







From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Sun Aug 26 16:37:14 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:37:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing LOTS of messages from Queue
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010826103149.00e731b4@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

Okay, so a mailing list I set up had several severely bogus addresses in it.

Each of these takes something like _six_ _minutes_ _per_ _attempt_ to fail,
and it's causing a huge slowdown in the list.

I've unsubbed the bogus addresses, but old queued messages are still trying
to go out. 

How do I blow all messages to a particular address out of mailman's queue?

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "Talk about passing the time..." 
     -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI



From alex at phred.org  Sun Aug 26 17:03:15 2001
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:03:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing LOTS of messages from Queue
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20010826103149.00e731b4@pop.ma.ultranet.com>
Message-ID: <20010826080200.K52925-100000@phred.org>

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Jonathan Andrew Sheen wrote:
> Okay, so a mailing list I set up had several severely bogus addresses in it.
>
> Each of these takes something like _six_ _minutes_ _per_ _attempt_ to fail,
> and it's causing a huge slowdown in the list.
>
> I've unsubbed the bogus addresses, but old queued messages are still trying
> to go out.
>
> How do I blow all messages to a particular address out of mailman's queue?

At this point the messages should be in your MTA's queue, not
mailman's queue.  You will have to refer to your MTA documentation to
see how to do this.

alex




From mailing at desktop.carfield.com.hk  Sun Aug 26 18:32:57 2001
From: mailing at desktop.carfield.com.hk (Carfield Yim)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 00:32:57 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to tell mailman to log less?
Message-ID: 

Once I install, it run fine, but it log a lot of message in
/var/log/message:
Aug 27 00:09:01 desktop CROND[18500]: (mail) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)

How can I tell mailman not to log so much message at /var/log/message?
-- 



Carfield Yim, visit my homepage at http://www.carfield.com.hk




From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Aug 26 19:01:51 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:01:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing LOTS of messages from Queue 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jonathan Andrew Sheen  
   of "Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:37:14 EDT." <3.0.32.20010826103149.00e731b4@pop.ma.ultranet.com> 
References: <3.0.32.20010826103149.00e731b4@pop.ma.ultranet.com> 
Message-ID: <23535.998845311@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:37:14 -0400 
Jonathan Andrew Sheen  wrote:

> Okay, so a mailing list I set up had several severely bogus
> addresses in it.  Each of these takes something like _six_
> _minutes_ _per_ _attempt_ to fail, and it's causing a huge
> slowdown in the list.

Translation:  Your MTA is configured to do DNS lookups or verifies
on messages received from Mailman.  

Solution:  Fix your MTA config.

> How do I blow all messages to a particular address out of
> mailman's queue?

You can manually edit the files in ~/qfiles, but its not entirely
trivial.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                    )\._.,--....,'``.	    
---------(*)                                   /,   _.. \   _\  ;`._ ,.
claw at kanga.nu                                 `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From cewatts at frontier.net  Mon Aug 27 03:29:50 2001
From: cewatts at frontier.net (Charlie Watts)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 19:29:50 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Invalid user entry.
In-Reply-To: <20010824150917.A3290@speed.amd.com>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Eric Brueggmann wrote:

> 	I'm in the process of migrating a few (~500) mailing lists from
> majordomo to mailman.  Some of the user entries in the lists are filenames.
> (ie: /user/username/reflectors)  This seems like a really bad way of doing
> things, but..  I didn't want to cause any trouble with the listadmins so
> I'm deciding to keep it the way it is.  The only problem is that mailman
> dosen't like the entry.  The error it gives is:
>
>     * /user/XXXXXXX/npdreflectors -- Hostile Address (illegal characters)
>
> Is there a way around this?  (besides a local mail filter?)  Sorry if this
> question was asked before but I didn't see it on the FAQ, nor the "Site Admin
> Guide".  Btw, both of which were very nicely done.

Nope. It just won't work - mailman and majordomo have some fundamental
differences. Majordomo is able to work with paths to files because it does
not speak SMTP; It only mangles your MTA's alias files. It's actually your
MTA that understands the path-to-file-as-valid-alias-expansion syntax.

Mailman works with destination E-mail addresses. A file is not an E-mail
address, so you'll have to take the addresses out of those files and feed
them to mailman.

Alternatively, you could create an alias in your MTA that points to those
files, and subscribe that alias to the list - but that's a bad idea,
because then the individual users can't subscribe and unsubscribe via
Mailman.

-- 
Charlie Watts
cewatts at frontier.net
Frontier Internet, Inc.
http://www.frontier.net/




From ad at aasup.nl  Mon Aug 27 08:33:20 2001
From: ad at aasup.nl (Ad Aerts)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:33:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1a2 Error messages about mimelib missing
Message-ID: <20010827083320.B21424@jungle.aasup.net>

Hello,

Although I have installed mimelib, I keep getting this error
message as a result of the mailman cron jobs:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 52, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
    from mimelib.address import getaddresses
ImportError: No module named mimelib.address

Any hints as to what could be wrong here?



Adrian.



From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Mon Aug 27 09:01:31 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:01:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to tell mailman to log less?
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A210@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carfield Yim [mailto:mailing at desktop.carfield.com.hk]
> 
> Once I install, it run fine, but it log a lot of message in
> /var/log/message:
> Aug 27 00:09:01 desktop CROND[18500]: (mail) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
> /var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> 
> How can I tell mailman not to log so much message at /var/log/message?

I think this is not the mailman logging facility, but the cron daemon
logging.
You might check that...

--
[ ric0 at xhuman.net ] - [ http://www.xhuman.net ] 



From alambardi at itsyandy.net  Mon Aug 27 11:51:37 2001
From: alambardi at itsyandy.net (Andrea Lambardi)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:51:37 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: MHonArc/Mailman integration
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Hello,

"Thierry Jacquemart"  wrote:

> [...]

> That should do it (it did for me anyway). I noticed that the
> e-mail/password authentication for private archives doesn't work, but
>  as I don't need it for the moment I didn't investigate further ;-)

With the same configuration, authentication for private archives works
for me as long as those are located in the default directory
$HOME/archives/private/%(listname)s and as long as they are first
initialized using the standard Pipermail archiving (sending out the
first message to the list). That could mean a pain if I often had to add
 new lists with private archives, but seems to work.

Hope this helps for further investigations ;-)

- Andrea Lambardi 





From wayne at tbnets.com  Mon Aug 27 15:38:42 2001
From: wayne at tbnets.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:38:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1a2 Error messages about mimelib missing
In-Reply-To: <20010827083320.B21424@jungle.aasup.net>
Message-ID: 

Is this a Suse box?  I just set up a Suse 7.2 box and have the same problem.
I am going to download from rpm find the mimelib they have and install it
also.  It seems that the mimelib that Barry has on SF does not have include
these files.  From what Rpm Find says their Mimelib was extracted from kde
desktop package.  Maybe Barry is assuming that KDE is already installed, I'm
not sure though.

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ad Aerts
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:33 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1a2 Error messages about mimelib
missing


Hello,

Although I have installed mimelib, I keep getting this error
message as a result of the mailman cron jobs:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 52, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
    from mimelib.address import getaddresses
ImportError: No module named mimelib.address

Any hints as to what could be wrong here?



Adrian.

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From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Aug 27 16:28:47 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to tell mailman to log less?
In-Reply-To: ; from mailing@desktop.carfield.com.hk on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 12:32:57AM +0800
References: 
Message-ID: <20010827092847.B8212@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 12:32:57AM +0800, Carfield Yim wrote:
> Once I install, it run fine, but it log a lot of message in
> /var/log/message:
> Aug 27 00:09:01 desktop CROND[18500]: (mail) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> /var/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> 
> How can I tell mailman not to log so much message at /var/log/message?

Mailman isn't generating this log message.  It came from a crond with
process ID 18500.  You may be able to tell your crond to be less
verbose or you may have no way of cutting these messages out other
than modifying your crontabs to invoke qrunner less frequently.

-- 
With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not
safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox
"To prevent unauthorized reading..."         - Adobe eBook reader license



From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Mon Aug 27 16:37:06 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:37:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
Message-ID: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>

Hello Everyone -

On my server users are not allowed to enter/edit crontabs... will it
harm the operation of MailMan if I were to put the contents of
"crontab.in" into my system cron (/etc/crontab) versus doing the
"crontab crontab.in" as user mailman?

Thanks

Jeff

--
**If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried --
unknown**

============================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:  (919) 966-9920
E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
============================================





From ryan at p11.com  Mon Aug 27 17:22:39 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
In-Reply-To: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <000701c12f0c$1b949580$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

Hey Jeff:

Cron processes are cron processes.  I don't think it will matter *how*
the processes get entered, just so long as they do.  Your best bet in a
situation like this is to just try it out. :)

Ryan C. Creasey
Network Engineer
p11creative 

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Baldwin
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 7:37 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron


Hello Everyone -

On my server users are not allowed to enter/edit crontabs... will it
harm the operation of MailMan if I were to put the contents of
"crontab.in" into my system cron (/etc/crontab) versus doing the
"crontab crontab.in" as user mailman?

Thanks

Jeff

--
**If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried --
unknown**

============================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:  (919) 966-9920
E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
============================================



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From ivy at theiceberg.com  Mon Aug 27 17:45:12 2001
From: ivy at theiceberg.com (Ivy Wang)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:45:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
Message-ID: <000501c12f0f$423307a0$d86296cd@icebergmedia.local>

I got this, but what does it mean?

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
main()
File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Thanks a lot.




From dbitman at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 27 17:48:53 2001
From: dbitman at hotmail.com (Marc Bitner)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:48:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
Message-ID: 

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From liuk at publinet.it  Mon Aug 27 18:01:24 2001
From: liuk at publinet.it (Luca Maranzano)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:01:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1a2 Error messages about mimelib missing
In-Reply-To: <20010827083320.B21424@jungle.aasup.net>
References: <20010827083320.B21424@jungle.aasup.net>
Message-ID: <20010827180124.A25056@publinet.it>

Hello,

same here on a Debian woody with Python 2.0.1. Removing the -S in
the cron line for the .../senddigests and the .../nightly_gzip command
the error disappears. I'm not a Python guru, so I don't know
the possible problems this can arise, but at least the error message
has gone :-) Someone else can comment about this?

Ciao,
luca

On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 08:33:20AM +0200, Ad Aerts wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Although I have installed mimelib, I keep getting this error
> message as a result of the mailman cron jobs:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 52, in ?
>     from Mailman import MailList
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
>     from mimelib.address import getaddresses
> ImportError: No module named mimelib.address
> 
> Any hints as to what could be wrong here?
> 
> 
> 
> Adrian.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From liuk at publinet.it  Mon Aug 27 18:23:19 2001
From: liuk at publinet.it (Luca Maranzano)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:23:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1a2: checkdbs not sending reminders to the moderator list?
Message-ID: <20010827182319.A25249@publinet.it>

Hello,

we have upgraded MM from 2.0.6 to 2.1a2 on Debian woody with Python 2.0.1
and a self installed mimelib 0.4.

For a certain list I've specified 2 email addresses for the
list administrators and 3 email addresses for the list moderators.
I've noticed that "checkdbs" send the mail reminder about
pending requests to the list of administrator and not to the
list of moderators.

Is this correct?

Regards,
Luca




From liuk at publinet.it  Mon Aug 27 18:32:31 2001
From: liuk at publinet.it (Luca Maranzano)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:32:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1a2: Bug in "Edit html for Changing user options" ?
Message-ID: <20010827183231.A25349@publinet.it>

Hi,

MM 2.1a2. Going to the "Changing user options results page" I get
the following error:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py", line 120, in main
    FormatHTML(mlist, doc, template_name, template_info)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py", line 139, in FormatHTML
    text = Utils.QuoteHyperChars(
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 517, in maketext
    raise IOError(errno.ENOENT, 'No template file found', templatefile)
IOError: [Errno 2] No template file found: 'handle_opts.html'

Python information:
Variable Value 
sys.version 2.0.1 (#0, Jun 23 2001, 23:50:30) [GCC 2.95.4 20010319 (Debian prerelease)]  
sys.executable /usr/bin/python2  
sys.prefix /usr  
sys.exec_prefix /usr  
sys.path /usr  
sys.platform linux2  

Let me know if you need more info.

Ciao,
Luca

PS: which is the best way to submit bug? This list? Sourceforge? Devel list?






From howanitz at nindo.com  Mon Aug 27 18:45:22 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:45:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

I think your aliases are not working.  If you are using sendmail (default
for Red Hat 7.1) you should have mailman entries in /etc/aliases and then
you should have run the command newaliases as root.

-- 

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Marc Bitner wrote:

> I have a couple of issues that I hope you would please help me with.
>
> First off, I am running Mailman v2.0.5 on a Red Hat 7.1 box.
>
> I can access the new list via the web...
>
> Here are the issues:
> 1.) Users cannot subscribe to the list via the web interface.? The user can input all of their information (e-mail
> address & password), send it to the list and the list will send back a conformation e-mail.? When the user replies to
> the conformation e-mail, it stops there.? The user never receives notification that they have been added to the list.
> And if I look at the Subscriber list via the web interface, they are not there.? But, if I look in
> /home/mailman/logs/subscribe it shows the new members membership as "Pending".
>
> But, I can go in through the admin interface and manually add them in.? Then they will receive a notification that they
> have been added to the list and will give them the password that Mailman selected for them.
>
> 2.)? Secondly, if you send a message to the list, it never goes anywhere.? The message never gets sent out to the
> members of the list.
[SNIP]




From dbitman at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 27 18:45:08 2001
From: dbitman at hotmail.com (Marc Bitner)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:45:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
Message-ID: 

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From howanitz at nindo.com  Mon Aug 27 19:13:26 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:13:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

It should look something like this:

listname: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname"
listname-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"
listname-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd listname"
listname-owner:      listname-admin

-- 

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Marc Bitner wrote:

>
> Just want to make sure you are referring to adding the following lines in /etc/aliases:
>
> mailman: my e-mail address
> mailman-owner: mailman
> I also previously went in and manually made an alias for the list name in this file hoping that would work; to no
> avail.? I have run "newaliases" a couple of times just to make sure.
>
>
>
> >From: Keith Howanitz
>
> >I think your aliases are not working. If you are using sendmail (default
> >for Red Hat 7.1) you should have mailman entries in /etc/aliases and then
> >you should have run the command newaliases as root.
[SNIP]




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Mon Aug 27 19:00:07 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:00:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MM2.1a2: Bug in "Edit html for Changing
  user options" ?
In-Reply-To: <20010827183231.A25349@publinet.it>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010827095350.00a7c080@mail.ocentrix.com>

>
>PS: which is the best way to submit bug? This list? Sourceforge? Devel list?

The BUGS file that comes with Mailman says that the best way to submit bugs 
is through the Sourceforge bug tracker.  I have also seen Barry mention 
that the development list is a better place discuss issues with development 
versions than the users list.  I asked this same question on the dev list 
the other day and got no response, however.  He's probably really busy 
right now managing the next release of Python which might explain why he 
hasn't been as vocal on the MM lists lately.

- Ben




>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Aug 27 20:16:59 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:16:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated list: showing each email's size? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Andreas Hasenack  
   of "Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:23:42 -0300." <20010824182342.S1128@conectiva.com.br> 
References: <20010824182342.S1128@conectiva.com.br> 
Message-ID: <1905.998936219@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:23:42 -0300 
Andreas Hasenack  wrote:

> - show the whole message in that html form?

Increase the size of ADMINDB_PAGE_TEXT_LIMIT in mm_cgf.py.

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From gpullis at omt.cc  Mon Aug 27 20:35:00 2001
From: gpullis at omt.cc (Gary Pullis)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "-announce" list configuration
Message-ID: 

I am setting up a mailman server to serve "-announce" type mailing lists.

I was wondering if anyone had advice on configuring mailman for this duty?

The big hiccup seems to be with the files in the $prefix/templates
directory. Files like subscribeack.txt are site wide.  Does this get fixed
in 2.1 (I'm running 2.0.6)?

--
Gary Pullis
Supporting: Sage MAS90/MAS200 | Linux | Windows NT | Novell Netware
Office Management Technologies
http://www.omt.cc



From gward at mems-exchange.org  Mon Aug 27 22:36:10 2001
From: gward at mems-exchange.org (Greg Ward)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
In-Reply-To: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>; from jeff_baldwin@unc.edu on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 10:37:06AM -0400
References: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <20010827163610.A2499@mems-exchange.org>

On 27 August 2001, Jeff Baldwin said:
> On my server users are not allowed to enter/edit crontabs... will it
> harm the operation of MailMan if I were to put the contents of
> "crontab.in" into my system cron (/etc/crontab) versus doing the
> "crontab crontab.in" as user mailman?

Dangerous -- those jobs would then run as root, which makes having a
"mailman" user rather pointless.  (The point is security: if someone
cracks the mailman user, only your mailman setup is at risk; if someone
cracks the root user, everything is at risk.)

If you really truly cannot have a crontab for any user other than root,
try prefixing each command with "su mailman" to switch to the mailman
user.  "man su" for syntax details (it's non-obvious).

        Greg
-- 
Greg Ward - software developer                gward at mems-exchange.org
MEMS Exchange                            http://www.mems-exchange.org



From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Aug 27 22:52:20 2001
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:52:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
In-Reply-To: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>
References: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>
Message-ID: 

At 10:37 -0400 8/27/2001, Jeff Baldwin wrote:
>On my server users are not allowed to enter/edit crontabs... will it
>harm the operation of MailMan if I were to put the contents of
>"crontab.in" into my system cron (/etc/crontab) versus doing the
>"crontab crontab.in" as user mailman?


You would have to specify the user under which the tasks are to be run.
Perhaps mailman, but it is whatever it is there.

User crontab and system crontab file formats differ by the presence of the
username.

Since the entries are provided in user crontab form, you'll need it insert
the username, between the scheduling columns and the commands.

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Aug 27 22:57:48 2001
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:57:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
In-Reply-To: <20010827163610.A2499@mems-exchange.org>; from gward@mems-exchange.org on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 04:36:10PM -0400
References: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu> <20010827163610.A2499@mems-exchange.org>
Message-ID: <20010827155748.F8212@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 04:36:10PM -0400, Greg Ward wrote:
> On 27 August 2001, Jeff Baldwin said:
> > On my server users are not allowed to enter/edit crontabs... will it
> > harm the operation of MailMan if I were to put the contents of
> > "crontab.in" into my system cron (/etc/crontab) versus doing the
> > "crontab crontab.in" as user mailman?
> 
> Dangerous -- those jobs would then run as root, which makes having a
> "mailman" user rather pointless.

This is incorrect.  You're thinking of user crontabs (edited using
the crontab command and stored in a location which can only be
learned by reading the rlevant man pages).  System crontabs, such as
/etc/crontab and the files in /etc/cron.[d|daily|monthly|weekly],
have an additional field which specifies the user that the command
should be run as.

To get back to the original question, Jeff describes something very
similar to how debian handles it.  Debian creates the file
/etc/cron.d/mailman with the contents:

*/5 * * * *    list    [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
* * * * *       list    [ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner

Note the additional field, containing "list" (the user debian runs
mailing lists under; replace it with "mailman" for the non-debian
setup), after the time specifier and before the command that is
executed.  These lines would work identically in /etc/crontab.

-- 
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From cnakagaw at EDFUND.ORG  Thu Aug 23 19:55:06 2001
From: cnakagaw at EDFUND.ORG (Cynthia Nakagawa)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:55:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
Message-ID: 

Is there a way to only have one password for all lists besides going in and setting the same password for all your lists?  Also can you have only one Welcome be sent to you if you sign up for multiple lists?  

Thanks
Cynthia




From tduong at el.nec.com  Fri Aug 24 10:22:42 2001
From: tduong at el.nec.com (Thiep Duong)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help in installation
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010823105157.00a93dc0@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: <3B860ED2.A1238AE4@el.nec.com>

Hi Ben,

Thanks you....I willmost likely to follow with another question
later, but you have given me some clue to work on for now.

Thanks for spending your valuable time for me.

Thiep,


Ben Burnett wrote:
> 
> At 03:08 AM 8/23/2001 -0700, Thiep Duong wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >First time trying to build Mailman .....
> >
> >after making newlist test, I got email like below:
> >
> >
> >You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:
> >     http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/admin/test
> >
> >The web page for users of your mailing list is:
> >     http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/listinfo/test
> >
> > >>> I cannot find any of these index.html ?
> >     Where/How are they be built?
> 
> These pages aren't static HTML pages.  There is no index.html.  They are
> generated by the scripts admin.py and listinfo.py respectively.  You can
> find them in the directory $prefix/Mailman/Cgi.  However, if you want to
> make modifications to the way these pages look for your "test" list you
> have to do it in different ways.  If you want to modify the listinfo page
> that you see at
> http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/listinfo/test
> you need to log into the administrative interface for this list and click
> on the link to "Edit the HTML for the public list pages." link.  You can
> edit the template for this page by hand if you really want to, but I
> wouldn't recommend doing it unless you have the skill necessary to find
> where it is in your file system :)
> 
> Editing the list admin page at
> http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/admin/test
> is much more complex and cannot be done on a per list basis.  You should
> only attempt to change this page if you have some python coding skills and
> want to affect all of your lists.
> 
> >There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
> >of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
> >with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:
> >     test-request at edaweb
> >
> > >>> This messages is not waht I want.  The mail list name is 'test'
> >     so I want the message to say test at edaweb.el.nec.com
> >     How tochange this?
> 
> It looks like you may have one of two questions here so I'll address both.
> 
> 1. If you're concerned about the part that says "test-request at ..." you
> don't need to be.  The address for POSTING to the list is going to be
> "test at ...".  the "test-request" address is only for making administrative
> requests.
> 
> 2. If you're concerned about the part that says "... at edaweb" and you want
> it to say "... at edaweb.el.nec.com" Then you need to log into the
> administrative interface for the list and change the option "Host name this
> list prefers.".  I'd bet that is currently says "edaweb".  You should
> change it to "edaweb.el.nec.com".
> 
> >To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
> >click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
> >Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
> >your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
> >member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.
> >
> >Please address all questions to mailman-owner at edaweb.
> >
> > >>> Same here.  I already have my mm_cfg.py changed to
> >     MAILMAN_OWNER, but it doesn seems to work.
> >
> ># Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.
> >DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'edaweb'
> 
> Change this if you want future lists to have their aliases, and thus their
> addresses to be on "edaweb.el.nec.com"
> 
> ># DEFAULT_URL must end in a slash!
> >DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/'
> >PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/sendmail'
> >PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/private'
> 
> Are you aware that These arechive urls are appended to the "Base Url for
> Mailman web interface" as listed on the list admin page?  This is going to
> be the value of DEFAULT_URL unless you change it.  This means that the
> public archive url for your is going to be
> http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/sendmail
> and the url for your private archives is
> http://edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/edaweb.el.nec.com/mailman/private
> Is this what you want?
> 
> >HOME_PAGE         = 'index.html'
> >MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'tduong at el.nec.com'
> >DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> 
> This delivery module is currently insecure and not very well maintained
> IIRC.  If you are using Sendmail, you should use "SMTPDirect" instead.
> 
> >DEFAULT_BOUNCE_MATCHING_HEADERS = """
> ># Lines that *start* with a '#' are comments.
> >to: tduong at el.nec.com
> >message-id: mtv205.el.nec.com
> >from: Mailman at edawebm
> >from: .*@el.nec.com
> >"""
> >
> >BTW:  I am running on solaris_2.7.  Using Netscape netsuite
> >       as http-server.
> >
> >is there a web-base user group that I can search for help
> >without sending mail, and perhaps do more reading on my onw?
> 
> You can find links to various Mailman resources on the Mailman site
> http://www.list.org  You can also search through the mailman deiscussion
> list archives at http://search.python.org (select python mailing list
> archives and turn off all other collections.)
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> - Ben

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From garaux at garaux.com  Sat Aug 25 06:24:18 2001
From: garaux at garaux.com (Doug and Christy Garaux)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:24:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] demime with sendmail
Message-ID: <00ca01c12d1e$1c05de60$7b01a8c0@garaux.com>

OK, I've gotten this to work GREAT with postfix, but I'm haing a bit of trouble with Sendmail  (& smrsh.)  I found posts that noted that the emails would have to be run through a script because smrsh will not allow the pipes... so I have a script in my etc/aliases... but I get the following error whenever I send email to the list;
etc/aliases line:  uhbc:             "/usr/local/bin/demime-wrapper post uhbc"
Error:
----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 5.3.0 /usr/local/bin/demime-wrapper post uhbc... cannot open /usr/local/bin/demime-wrapper post uhbc: Permission denied
550 5.0.0 "/usr/local/bin/demime-wrapper post uhbc"... Can't create output

I can send mail to the list just fine when I don't use the demime script.

Any clues from anyone?


Thanks
Doug Garaux
www.bluecrayon.net

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From chris_adcock01 at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 26 06:20:54 2001
From: chris_adcock01 at hotmail.com (Chris Adcock)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:20:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman
Message-ID: 

Hi, I'm trying to install mailman. I extracted the file mailman-2.0.6.tar, 
but I can't find /etc/group file anywhere. Is this on my server or what?

Thanks,
Chris

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From ivy at icebergmedia.com  Mon Aug 27 17:15:01 2001
From: ivy at icebergmedia.com (Ivy Wang)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:15:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron  /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
Message-ID: <469B2962EDFDE24CA16847F0D11DE0A605A83F@exchice.icebergmedia.local>

I got this, but what does it mean?

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
  File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Thanks a lot.





From cjain1000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 27 19:09:41 2001
From: cjain1000 at yahoo.com (Christopher Jain)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:09:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode
Message-ID: <20010827170941.2603.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com>


Does anyone know how to configure mailman to filter out html code in the daily digests?  Any advice appreciated! 

Thanks!

Chris Jain



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From rob at emsh.calarts.edu  Mon Aug 27 21:03:56 2001
From: rob at emsh.calarts.edu (Rob Lingelbach)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:03:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search, footer, change variables, overquoting.
Message-ID: <20010827120356.A18742@emsh.calarts.edu>

I'm quite happy to find Mailman in such a state of advancement;
I'm migrating from SmartList after many years of customizing that
package for a few lists.

I'd prefer to find the answers to these questions I have in the
mailman-users archives, but don't see a search facility.  Which
leads me to: has anyone incorporated a search engine into their
list archives?  I used to use excite! with SmartList/MHonArc but 
wanted to switch to webglimpse or similar.

A very simple question: where may I change the text in the footer
on messages via the list, and what method might I use to change
the value of the list's variables, without using the [extremely
well-done] web interface?

Has anyone incorporated an [admittedly always less-than-perfect] 
'overquoting' filter? 

thank you.
-- 
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System Administrator                             rob at alegria.com
Computer Animation Lab                           
California Institute of the Arts                 TIG admin/colorist



From david at midrange.com  Mon Aug 27 23:27:47 2001
From: david at midrange.com (David Gibbs)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:27:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode
In-Reply-To: <20010827170941.2603.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> from "Christopher Jain" at Aug 27, 2001 10:09:41 AM
Message-ID: <200108272127.f7RLRlD17510@linux.midrange.com>

> Does anyone know how to configure mailman to filter out html 
> code in the daily digests?  Any advice appreciated! 

Check out Jeff Dairiki's great patch for filtering out HTML from
all messages.

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=413752&group_id=103&atid=300103

david



From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Mon Aug 27 23:32:47 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:32:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Problems
Message-ID: <3B8ABC7F.A01F04FD@unc.edu>

Hello "Again" All -

I'm going to keep this short and sweet...   I get this error when
confirming subscription to my list...

: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure
to exec
    script. WANTED gid 89, GOT gid 502.  (Reconfigure to take 502?)

Now obviously this is a "group" problem.. but help me understand this..

I ran ./configure --with-mail-gid=89 (which is the postfix gid), now why
would it get 502 as the GID?  How can I fix this?

Thanks

Jeff

--
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unknown**

============================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:  (919) 966-9920
E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
============================================





From arandall at auntminnie.com  Mon Aug 27 23:49:47 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:49:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Problems
References: <3B8ABC7F.A01F04FD@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <3B8AC07B.DA779B35@auntminnie.com>

Hi Jeff,

Start with the simplest thing first: What group has GID 502? I know nothing
about postfix, but some MTAs use more than one group ID. If GID 502 looks
like it could feasibly belong to or be used by postfix, then it may work for
you to just reconfigure mailman --with-gid=502.

When all else fails, use percussive maintenance. I have a baseball bat for
rent if you're lacking in large, heavy, blunt objects to use as maintenance
tools.

=)
Amanda


Jeff Baldwin wrote:

> Hello "Again" All -
>
> I'm going to keep this short and sweet...   I get this error when
> confirming subscription to my list...
>
> : Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure
> to exec
>     script. WANTED gid 89, GOT gid 502.  (Reconfigure to take 502?)
>
> Now obviously this is a "group" problem.. but help me understand this..
>
> I ran ./configure --with-mail-gid=89 (which is the postfix gid), now why
> would it get 502 as the GID?  How can I fix this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> **If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried --
> unknown**
>
> ============================================
> Jeff Baldwin
> Computer Consultant II
> University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
>
> Phone:  (919) 966-0096
> Fax:  (919) 966-9920
> E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> ============================================
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From benwa at ocentrix.com  Tue Aug 28 00:03:47 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:03:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010827150227.00aadec0@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 10:55 AM 8/23/2001 -0700, Cynthia Nakagawa wrote:
>Is there a way to only have one password for all lists besides going in 
>and setting the same password for all your lists?

This is not currently supported by Mailman.

>   Also can you have only one Welcome be sent to you if you sign up for 
> multiple lists?

Neither is this.

- Ben




From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Tue Aug 28 00:23:30 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
Message-ID: <3B8AC862.1B2009F1@unc.edu>

Hello-All

Ok.. I did "make clean", deleted the mailman home dir and account..
created everything from scratch again... still getting the same error.
I just don't get it.

I've forwarded the message below...

Thanks in advance
Jeff

--
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============================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
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E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
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From ser at perio.unlp.edu.ar  Tue Aug 28 00:32:19 2001
From: ser at perio.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio A. Kessler)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:32:19 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner at 99.1% cpu
Message-ID: <001f01c12f48$2e6b0180$0300000a@kessler.com.ar>

hi,

mailman 2.0.6
postfix-20010714
python-1.5.2-30

qrunner is eating 99.1 % of cpu...

it is a known bug ?
anyone know how to fix this ?

TIA,
/sergio




From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Tue Aug 28 00:29:06 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:29:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
References: <200108272225.PAA04229@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <3B8AC9B2.90D76FCD@unc.edu>

No.... GID 506 is my MailMan group... when I ran configure I did..

./configure --with-mail-gid=postfix --with-cgi-gid=webd

I also tried using the actual GID in the previous install only to get
the same error.

Thanks

Jeff

Dan Mick wrote:

> The message asks "Reconfigure to take 506?"  Did you try that?

--
**If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried --
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============================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:  (919) 966-9920
E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
============================================





From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Tue Aug 28 00:46:12 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:46:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID again
Message-ID: <3B8ACDB3.2E357046@unc.edu>

Here is the output of configure ... just to trying to provide all the
info that I can

[baldwinj at mill96 baldwinj]$ cat /etc/group | grep postfix
postfix:x:89:

[baldwinj at mill96 baldwinj]$ cat /etc/group | grep webd
webd:x:48:

[mailman at mill96 mailman-2.0.6]$ ./configure --with-mail-gid=89
--with-cgi-gid=48
creating cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 1.5.2
checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for true... /bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... 505
checking for --with-groupname... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 502
checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 89
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 48
checking for CGI extensions... no
checking for default fully qualified host name... mill96.cep.unc.edu
checking for default URL host component... mill96.cep.unc.edu
checking for strerror... yes
checking for setregid... yes
checking for syslog... yes
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for syslog.h... yes
checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... yes
checking type of array argument to getgroups... gid_t
checking for vsnprintf... yes
updating cache ./config.cache
creating ./config.status
creating misc/paths.py
creating Mailman/Defaults.py
creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
creating src/Makefile
creating misc/Makefile
creating bin/Makefile
creating Mailman/Makefile
creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile
creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
creating templates/Makefile
creating cron/Makefile
creating filters/Makefile
creating scripts/Makefile
creating cron/crontab.in
creating Makefile

All help is greatly appreciated guys.... thanks

Jeff

--
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unknown**

============================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:  (919) 966-9920
E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
============================================





From jeff_baldwin at unc.edu  Tue Aug 28 01:05:20 2001
From: jeff_baldwin at unc.edu (Jeff Baldwin)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:05:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID again
References: <200108272300.QAA06570@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <3B8AD230.49A7AB96@unc.edu>

What I don't understand is.. my cgi's are ran as 'webd w/ gid 48' , and I
specified this in the script... so why would I be getting an error?  Now that
I reloaded MailMan "again" I'm getting an error saying

WANTED gid 89, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

GID 99 = nobody

I don't understand, why is it not working, bouncing messages, when I am
telling it what GID to run cgi's as ??

Its just not working argghhh!!!

Jeff

Dan Mick wrote:

> Right.  So you used GIDs 89 and 48, but the script is telling you
> you need to be using a different one.  What don't you understand?
>
> > Here is the output of configure ... just to trying to provide all the
> > info that I can
> >
> > [baldwinj at mill96 baldwinj]$ cat /etc/group | grep postfix
> > postfix:x:89:
> >
> > [baldwinj at mill96 baldwinj]$ cat /etc/group | grep webd
> > webd:x:48:
> >
> > [mailman at mill96 mailman-2.0.6]$ ./configure --with-mail-gid=89
> > --with-cgi-gid=48
> > creating cache ./config.cache
> > checking for --with-python... no
> > checking for python... /usr/bin/python
> > checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
> > checking Python version... 1.5.2
> > checking for a BSD compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
> > checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
> > checking for true... /bin/true
> > checking for --without-gcc... no
> > checking for gcc... gcc
> > checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... yes
> > checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
> > checking whether we are using GNU C... yes
> > checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
> > checking whether #! works in shell scripts... yes
> > checking for --with-var-prefix... no
> > checking for --with-username... mailman
> > checking for mailman UID... 505
> > checking for --with-groupname... mailman
> > checking for mailman GID... 502
> > checking permissions on /home/mailman... okay
> > checking for mail wrapper GID... 89
> > checking for CGI wrapper GID... 48
> > checking for CGI extensions... no
> > checking for default fully qualified host name... mill96.cep.unc.edu
> > checking for default URL host component... mill96.cep.unc.edu
> > checking for strerror... yes
> > checking for setregid... yes
> > checking for syslog... yes
> > checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
> > checking for ANSI C header files... yes
> > checking for syslog.h... yes
> > checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... yes
> > checking type of array argument to getgroups... gid_t
> > checking for vsnprintf... yes
> > updating cache ./config.cache
> > creating ./config.status
> > creating misc/paths.py
> > creating Mailman/Defaults.py
> > creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist
> > creating src/Makefile
> > creating misc/Makefile
> > creating bin/Makefile
> > creating Mailman/Makefile
> > creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile
> > creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile
> > creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile
> > creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile
> > creating Mailman/Handlers/Makefile
> > creating Mailman/Bouncers/Makefile
> > creating templates/Makefile
> > creating cron/Makefile
> > creating filters/Makefile
> > creating scripts/Makefile
> > creating cron/crontab.in
> > creating Makefile
> >
> > All help is greatly appreciated guys.... thanks
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > --
> > **If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried --
> > unknown**
> >
> > ============================================
> > Jeff Baldwin
> > Computer Consultant II
> > University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
> >
> > Phone:  (919) 966-0096
> > Fax:  (919) 966-9920
> > E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
> > ============================================
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
**If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried --
unknown**

============================================
Jeff Baldwin
Computer Consultant II
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

Phone:  (919) 966-0096
Fax:  (919) 966-9920
E-Mail:  jeff_baldwin at unc.edu
============================================





From dbitman at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 28 02:46:54 2001
From: dbitman at hotmail.com (Marc Bitner)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:46:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
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From hseamon at hseamon.com  Tue Aug 28 04:27:27 2001
From: hseamon at hseamon.com (Henry M. Seamon)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:27:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who list acquisition
Message-ID: 

We are just setting up a Mailman list serve.

I have set the [private_roster (privacy): Who can view subscription list?]
to LIST ADMIN only.  My email is in the Administrators box, with another
person .. the main Administrator.

I don't get a return on a WHO.  I get a "private list no one gets it" .. or
something like that.

Just to experiment, I set the option to LIST MEMBERS, then it returns a WHO
list.

Is MY email address or some other authorization supposed to go someplace
else?

OR, am I looking in the wrong place to set this option?

Thanks

HmSeamon




From jajoa at wmdata.com  Tue Aug 28 09:54:17 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:54:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TONS of errors
Message-ID: 

Like this one

Aug 28 00:49:44 2001 (20179) Uncaught runner exception: 'int' object has no
attribute 'lower'
Aug 28 00:49:44 2001 (20179) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 134, in
_dopipeline
    sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 127, in process
    if mlist.administrivia and Utils.is_administrivia(msg):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 555, in is_administrivia
    line = reader.readline()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/mimelib/MsgReader.py", line 42, in
readline
    self._root = self._payload[self._pos]
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/mimelib/Message.py", line 100, in
__getitem__
    return self.get(name)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/mimelib/Message.py", line 159, in
get
    name = name.lower()
AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'lower'

Getting a 1gig error.log after about 10 days. Running the latest 2.1
version.


Why?



From nb at thinkcoach.com  Tue Aug 28 10:28:57 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:28:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] question
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010827150227.00aadec0@mail.ocentrix.com> (message
	from Ben Burnett on Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:03:47 -0700)
References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010827150227.00aadec0@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: <200108280828.f7S8SvH08181@quill.local>

Ben Burnett  wrote:
> At 10:55 AM 8/23/2001 -0700, Cynthia Nakagawa wrote:
> >Is there a way to only have one password for all lists besides going in 
> >and setting the same password for all your lists?
> 
> This is not currently supported by Mailman.

Actually you can use Mailman's bin/mmsitepass script to set a
"site password".  This will work for all lists, whereever
Mailman asks for a password.

> >   Also can you have only one Welcome be sent to you if you sign up for 
> > multiple lists?

That is not supported by Mailman out-of-the-box, but it is
relatively easy to set up a CGI program or email robot which
implements this.

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
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Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Tue Aug 28 10:58:00 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:58:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TONS of errors
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A215@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johansson Jan [mailto:jajoa at wmdata.com]

> AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'lower'
> 
> Getting a 1gig error.log after about 10 days. Running the latest 2.1
> version.
> 
> Why?

2.1 is an alpha version... so you might hit bugs... it's not intended for
production systems...
I think errors should be reported to the development list instead...

Be sure that you have the latest Python (recompiled) and then recompile
mailman.

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From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Tue Aug 28 09:25:42 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:25:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "-announce" list configuration
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A213@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Pullis [mailto:gpullis at omt.cc]
> 
> I am setting up a mailman server to serve "-announce" type 
> mailing lists.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had advice on configuring mailman 
> for this duty?

Well... the advice is... Mailman isn't really good towards
Announce/Newsletter type of lists at this moment.
You would still have to discard all messages that people tend to send to the
list.
 
> The big hiccup seems to be with the files in the $prefix/templates
> directory. Files like subscribeack.txt are site wide.  Does 
> this get fixed
> in 2.1 (I'm running 2.0.6)?

AFAIR it does get fixed in 2.1

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From nb at thinkcoach.com  Tue Aug 28 11:10:13 2001
From: nb at thinkcoach.com (Norbert Bollow)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:10:13 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "-announce" list configuration
In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A213@NETIVITY-FS> (message
	from Enriko Groen on Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:25:42 +0200)
References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A213@NETIVITY-FS>
Message-ID: <200108280910.f7S9ADV08593@quill.local>

Enriko Groen  wrote:
> > From: Gary Pullis [mailto:gpullis at omt.cc]
> > 
> > I am setting up a mailman server to serve "-announce" type 
> > mailing lists.
> > 
> > I was wondering if anyone had advice on configuring mailman 
> > for this duty?
> 
> Well... the advice is... Mailman isn't really good towards
> Announce/Newsletter type of lists at this moment.
> You would still have to discard all messages that people tend to send to the
> list.

Actually it's pretty easy to work around this with a little
script or two.  My standard setup for announcement mailing
lists is as follows:

One script receives mail at the "official" list address,
adds a fronter which explains that this message has been received
at that address, and forwards it to the list-owner.

Another script receives mail at a secret list submission
address, which contains the list's password.  This script
deletes the password from the message headers (it will normally
be in the To: header and sometimes also in some Received: headers)
and then passes the message on to Mailman.

For example, if the name of your list is 'testlist', with the
password 'ju23jk9', hosted on the virtual domain 'example.com',
then you can post an announcement to testlist by addressing it

To: testlist-ju23jk9 at example.com

and when the message goes out on the list, it will have this To:
header:

To: testlist at example.com

(and the same change happens in other headers which may
contain the address.)

Greetings, Norbert.

-- 
A member of FreeDevelopers and the DotGNU Steering Committee: dotgnu.org
Norbert Bollow, Weidlistr.18, CH-8624 Gruet   (near Zurich, Switzerland)
Tel +41 1 972 20 59       Fax +41 1 972 20 69      http://thinkcoach.com
Your own domain with all your Mailman lists: $15/month  http://cisto.com



From cal at calevans.com  Tue Aug 28 14:18:46 2001
From: cal at calevans.com (Cal Evans)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:18:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode
References: <20010827170941.2603.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c12fbb$966efb10$6d55a8c0@angel>

check the archives. Look for DEMIME.
Cal
*
* Cal Evans
* Senior Internet Dreamer
* http://www.calevans.com
*
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Christopher Jain 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:09
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode


  Does anyone know how to configure mailman to filter out html code in the daily digests?  Any advice appreciated! 

  Thanks!

  Chris Jain





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From sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com  Tue Aug 28 15:15:46 2001
From: sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com (sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:15:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
In-Reply-To: ; from dbitman@hotmail.com on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 07:46:54PM -0500
References: 
Message-ID: <20010828091546.B16422@dustpuppy.dlcty1.va.home.com>

Marc, HTML works great as a display language, but it is a pain to try
to read.

Did you run the newaliases command to rebuild your aliases.db? If you did,
what error message did it give you?

- Scott


On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 07:46:54PM -0500, Marc Bitner wrote:
Thanks for the response.  I could see, after reading the directions better than I should have the first time that I should have put that in the /etc/aliases
file.  But, even after I added those lines in the aliases file, it didn't change anything....  
Thanks again for the response, got any more???
Marc Bitner

>From: Keith Howanitz 
>To: Marc Bitner 
>CC: 
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:13:26 -0500 (CDT)
>
>It should look something like this:
>
>listname: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname"
>listname-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"
>listname-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd listname"
>listname-owner: listname-admin
>
>--
>
>-Keith
>howanitz at nindo.com
>
>On Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Marc Bitner wrote:
>
> >
> > Just want to make sure you are referring to adding the following lines in /etc/aliases:
> >
> > mailman: my e-mail address
> > mailman-owner: mailman
> > I also previously went in and manually made an alias for the list name in this file hoping that would work; to no
> > avail.  I have run "newaliases" a couple of times just to make sure.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Keith Howanitz
> >
> > >I think your aliases are not working. If you are using sendmail (default
> > >for Red Hat 7.1) you should have mailman entries in /etc/aliases and then
> > >you should have run the command newaliases as root.
>[SNIP]
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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From mbitner at dis.umsmed.edu  Tue Aug 28 15:44:29 2001
From: mbitner at dis.umsmed.edu (Marc Bitner)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:44:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
Message-ID: 

Scott, don't know how my message came out in HTML code, probably because of Hotmail, so I got out of using Hotmail, so this one should be a little better.

Here is what I put in my /etc/aliases file (list name is onemore):

onemore: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post onemore"
onemore-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner onemore"
onemore-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd onemore"
onemore-owner: onemore-admin

When I run $ newaliases , I get the following:
/etc/aliases: 46 aliases, longest 47 bytes, 639 bytes total

Help any???
Thanks-
Marc




From linzberger at web.de  Tue Aug 28 16:01:36 2001
From: linzberger at web.de (Fabian Linzberger)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:01:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no delivery of list postings
Message-ID: <3B8BA440.D5EA98BE@slp.at>

Hi!

I am running a debian potato server using apache as webserver and exim
as mta. I have installed mailman 2.0.6 according to the instructions
found on www.list.org also I added configurations for exim according to
the exim/mailman howto, the tests on the bottom of the howto all worked
fine.

We have several domain names pointing to this server: the main host name
is granul.at, whereas the one that is used to access mailman lists is
slp.at.

All the Webpages and scripts seem to work fine (I can create a test
list, subscribe people to it, they get a welcome message, listinfo is
there...), however if I post a message to the list or list-admin it
disappears without further notice. The mailman logs are empty and exim
only says:

2001-08-28 06:20:40 15binG-0004M7-00 => test2 
D=list_admin_dire
ctor T=list_admin_transport
2001-08-28 06:20:40 15binG-0004M7-00 Completed

(the same without admin for the list posting case)
There is no further delivery to any real-adresses...

This also happens regardless of posting to test at slp.at or test at granul.at
(test beeing the list name).


I assume there is some problem with the director or transport, since
this is the last trace that my messages leave before disappearing...


I have included the exim.conf and slp.at.aliases file for your
reference.

If you need other info, please tell me and I will try to provide it.


thanks a lot
Fabian

-----------------------------------------------------------------
slp.at.aliases


# generally, forward all to user slp (we need this because we have
another host with dialup connection using fetchmail to deliver most
messages, who retrieves them from account slp, I don't think it is the
problem since nothing changes if I comment it out...)

*:slp

# users not to be forwarded to slp
root:somerealaddress at somewhere.net


# system users
mailman: root
mailman-owner: root
mailman-request: root



!!other system daemon aliases and user aliases ommitted for brevity...

----------------------------------------------------------------------
exim.conf

# This is the main exim configuration file.
# It was originally generated by `eximconfig', part of the exim package
# distributed with Debian, but it may edited by the mail system
administrator.
# This file originally generated by eximconfig at Mon Jun 18 10:16:53
PDT 2001
# See exim info section for details of the things that can be configured
here.

# Please see the manual for a complete list
# of all the runtime configuration options that can be included in a
# configuration file.

# This file is divided into several parts, all but the last of which are
# terminated by a line containing the word "end". The parts must appear
# in the correct order, and all must be present (even if some of them
are
# in fact empty). Blank lines, and lines starting with # are ignored.

######################################################################
#                    MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS                     #
######################################################################

# Specify the domain you want to be added to all unqualified addresses
# here. Unqualified addresses are accepted only from local callers by
# default. See the receiver_unqualified_{hosts,nets} options if you want
# to permit unqualified addresses from remote sources. If this option is
# not set, the primary_hostname value is used for qualification.

qualify_domain = granul.at

# If you want unqualified recipient addresses to be qualified with a
different
# domain to unqualified sender addresses, specify the recipient domain
here.
# If this option is not set, the qualify_domain value is used.

# qualify_recipient =

# Specify your local domains as a colon-separated list here. If this
option
# is not set (i.e. not mentioned in the configuration file), the
# qualify_recipient value is used as the only local domain. If you do
not want
# to do any local deliveries, uncomment the following line, but do not
supply
# any data for it. This sets local_domains to an empty string, which is
not
# the same as not mentioning it at all. An empty string specifies that
there
# are no local domains; not setting it at all causes the default value
(the
# setting of qualify_recipient) to be used.

local_domains = slp.at:localhost:granul.at:lists.granul.at
# local_domains = /etc/exim.domains

# Allow mail addressed to our hostname, or to our IP address.

local_domains_include_host = true
local_domains_include_host_literals = true

# Domains we relay for; that is domains that aren't considered local but
we 
# accept mail for them.

#relay_domains = 

# If this is uncommented, we accept and relay mail for all domains we
are 
# in the DNS as an MX for.

#relay_domains_include_local_mx = true

# No local deliveries will ever be run under the uids of these users (a
colon-
# separated list). An attempt to do so gets changed so that it runs
under the
# uid of "nobody" instead. This is a paranoic safety catch. Note the
default
# setting means you cannot deliver mail addressed to root as if it were
a
# normal user. This isn't usually a problem, as most sites have an alias
for
# root that redirects such mail to a human administrator.

never_users = root

# The setting below causes Exim to do a reverse DNS lookup on all
incoming
# IP calls, in order to get the true host name. If you feel this is too
# expensive, you can specify the networks for which a lookup is done, or
# remove the setting entirely.

host_lookup = *

# The setting below would, if uncommented, cause Exim to check the
syntax of
# all the headers that are supposed to contain email addresses (To:,
From:,
# etc). This reduces the level of bounced bounces considerably.

# headers_check_syntax

# Exim contains support for the Realtime Blocking List (RBL) that is
being
# maintained as part of the DNS. See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for
# background. Uncommenting the following line will make Exim reject mail
# from any host whose IP address is blacklisted in the RBL at
maps.vix.com.

rbl_domains = rbl.maps.vix.com
rbl_reject_recipients = false
rbl_warn_header = true

# The setting below allows your host to be used as a mail relay only by
# localhost: it locks out the use of your host as a mail relay by any
# other host. See the section of the manual entitled "Control of
relaying" 
# for more info.

host_accept_relay = localhost

# If you want Exim to support the "percent hack" for all your local
domains,
# uncomment the following line. This is the feature by which mail
addressed
# to x%y at z (where z is one of your local domains) is locally rerouted to
# x at y and sent on. Otherwise x%y is treated as an ordinary local part

# percent_hack_domains=*

# If this option is set, then any process that is running as one of the
# listed users may pass a message to Exim and specify the sender's
# address using the "-f" command line option, without Exim's adding a
# "Sender" header.

trusted_users = mail

# If this option is true, the SMTP command VRFY is supported on incoming
# SMTP connections; otherwise it is not.

smtp_verify = true

# added for mailman, fs
receiver_verify_hosts = !127.0.0.1/8:0.0.0.0/0
sender_verify

# Some operating systems use the "gecos" field in the system password
file
# to hold other information in addition to users' real names. Exim looks
up
# this field when it is creating "sender" and "from" headers. If these
options
# are set, exim uses "gecos_pattern" to parse the gecos field, and then
# expands "gecos_name" as the user's name. $1 etc refer to sub-fields
matched
# by the pattern.

gecos_pattern = ^([^,:]*)
gecos_name = $1

# This sets the maximum number of messages that will be accepted in one
# connection. The default is 10, which is probably enough for most
purposes,
# but is too low on dialup SMTP systems, which often have many more
mails
# queued for them when they connect.

smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 100

# Send a mail to the postmaster when a message is frozen. There are many
# reasons this could happen; one is if exim cannot deliver a mail with
no
# return address (normally a bounce) another that may be common on
dialup
# systems is if a DNS lookup of a smarthost fails. Read the
documentation
# for more details: you might like to look at the auto_thaw option

freeze_tell_mailmaster = true

# This string defines the contents of the \`Received' message header
that
# is added to each message, except for the timestamp, which is
automatically
# added on at the end, preceded by a semicolon. The string is expanded
each
# time it is used.

received_header_text = "Received: \
         ${if def:sender_rcvhost {from ${sender_rcvhost}\n\t}\
         {${if def:sender_ident {from ${sender_ident} }}\
         ${if def:sender_helo_name {(helo=${sender_helo_name})\n\t}}}}\
         by ${primary_hostname} \
         ${if def:received_protocol {with ${received_protocol}}} \
         (Exim ${version_number} #${compile_number} (Debian))\n\t\
         id ${message_id}\
         ${if def:received_for {\n\tfor <$received_for>}}"

# -- added for mailman, fs
# home dir for mailman
MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_UID=mail
MAILMAN_GID=mail

end

######################################################################
#                      TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION                      #
######################################################################
#                       ORDER DOES NOT MATTER                        #
#     Only one appropriate transport is called for each delivery.    #
######################################################################

# This transport is used for local delivery to user mailboxes. On debian
# systems group mail is used so we can write to the /var/spool/mail
# directory. (The alternative, which most other unixes use, is to
deliver
# as the user's own group, into a sticky-bitted directory)

local_delivery:
  driver = appendfile
  group = mail
  mode = 0660
  mode_fail_narrower = false
  envelope_to_add = true
  file = /var/spool/mail/${local_part}

# This transport is used for handling pipe addresses generated by
# alias or .forward files. If the pipe generates any standard output,
# it is returned to the sender of the message as a delivery error. Set
# return_fail_output instead if you want this to happen only when the
# pipe fails to complete normally.

address_pipe:
  driver = pipe
  return_output

# This transport is used for handling file addresses generated by alias
# or .forward files.

address_file:
  driver = appendfile

# This transport is used for handling file addresses generated by alias
# or .forward files if the path ends in "/", which causes it to be
treated
# as a directory name rather than a file name. Each message is then
delivered
# to a unique file in the directory. If instead you want all such
deliveries to
# be in the "maildir" format that is used by some other mail software,
# uncomment the final option below. If this is done, the directory
specified
# in the .forward or alias file is the base maildir directory.
#
# Should you want to be able to specify either maildir or non-maildir
# directory-style deliveries, then you must set up yet another
transport,
# called address_directory2. This is used if the path ends in "//" so
should
# be the one used for maildir, as the double slash suggests another
level
# of directory. In the absence of address_directory2, paths ending in //
# are passed to address_directory.

address_directory:
  driver = appendfile
  no_from_hack
  prefix = ""
  suffix = ""
# maildir_format

# This transport is used for handling autoreplies generated by the
filtering
# option of the forwardfile director.

address_reply:
  driver = autoreply

# This transport is used for procmail

procmail_pipe:
  driver = pipe
  command = "/usr/bin/procmail -d ${local_part}"
  return_path_add
  delivery_date_add
  envelope_to_add
  check_string = "From "
  escape_string = ">From "
  user = $local_part
  group = mail


# This transport is used for delivering messages over SMTP connections.

remote_smtp:
  driver = smtp

# added for mailmain, fs
## Three transports for list mail, request mail and admin mail
## respectively
## Mailman is installed in MAILMAN_HOME
## Mailman is configured to be invoked as user mail
list_transport:
  driver = pipe
  command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
  current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  user = MAILMAN_UID
  group = MAILMAN_GID 

list_request_transport:
  driver = pipe
  command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
  current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  user = MAILMAN_UID
  group = MAILMAN_GID 

list_admin_transport:
  driver = pipe
  command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
  current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  user = MAILMAN_UID
  group = MAILMAN_GID

end

######################################################################
#                      DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION                       #
#             Specifies how local addresses are handled              #
######################################################################
#                          ORDER DOES MATTER                         #
#   A local address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted.  #
######################################################################

# This allows local delivery to be forced, avoiding alias files and
# forwarding.

real_local:
  prefix = real-
  driver = localuser
  transport = local_delivery

# added for mailman, fs
## First 2 directors rewrite list-owner or owner-list to list-admin
## This is only done if the list exists.
## List existence checks are done by seeing if the file
## MAILMAN_HOME/lists//config.db
## exists.
list_owner_director:
  driver = smartuser
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  suffix = "-owner"
  new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}" 

owner_list_director:
  driver = smartuser
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  prefix = "owner-"
  new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
  
## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the
appropriate
## transport.List existence is checked as above. 
list_admin_director:
  driver = smartuser
  suffix = -admin
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  transport = list_admin_transport 
  
list_request_director:
  driver = smartuser
  suffix = -request
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  transport = list_request_transport 
  
list_director:
  driver = smartuser
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  transport = list_transport

# This director handles aliasing using a traditional /etc/aliases file.
# If any of your aliases expand to pipes or files, you will need to set
# up a user and a group for these deliveries to run under. You can do
# this by uncommenting the "user" option below (changing the user name
# as appropriate) and adding a "group" option if necessary.

system_aliases:
  driver = aliasfile
  file_transport = address_file
  pipe_transport = address_pipe
  file = /etc/exim.domains/$domain.aliases
  search_type = lsearch*
  user = list
# Uncomment the above line if you are running smartlist


# This director runs procmail for users who have a .procmailrc file

procmail:
  driver = localuser
  transport = procmail_pipe
  require_files =
${local_part}:+${home}:+${home}/.procmailrc:+/usr/bin/procmail
  no_verify
    
# This director handles forwarding using traditional .forward files.
# It also allows mail filtering when a forward file starts with the 
# string "# Exim filter": to disable filtering, uncomment the "filter" 
# option. The check_ancestor option means that if the forward file 
# generates an address that is an ancestor of the current one, the 
# current one gets passed on instead. This covers the case where A is 
# aliased to B and B has a .forward file pointing to A.

# For standard debian setup of one group per user, it is
acceptable---normal
# even---for .forward to be group writable. If you have everyone in one
# group, you should comment out the "modemask" line. Without it, the
exim
# default of 022 will apply, which is probably what you want.

userforward:
  driver = forwardfile
  file_transport = address_file
  pipe_transport = address_pipe
  reply_transport = address_reply
  no_verify
  check_ancestor
  file = .forward
  modemask = 002
  filter

# This director matches local user mailboxes.

localuser:
  driver = localuser
  transport = local_delivery

end


######################################################################
#                      ROUTERS CONFIGURATION                         #
#            Specifies how remote addresses are handled              #
######################################################################
#                          ORDER DOES MATTER                         #
#  A remote address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted.  #
######################################################################

# Remote addresses are those with a domain that does not match any item
# in the "local_domains" setting above.

# This router routes to remote hosts over SMTP using a DNS lookup with
# default options.

lookuphost:
  driver = lookuphost
  transport = remote_smtp

# This router routes to remote hosts over SMTP by explicit IP address,
# given as a "domain literal" in the form [nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn]. The RFCs
# require this facility, which is why it is enabled by default in Exim.
# If you want to lock it out, set forbid_domain_literals in the main
# configuration section above.

literal:
  driver = ipliteral
  transport = remote_smtp

end


######################################################################
#                      RETRY CONFIGURATION                           #
######################################################################

# This single retry rule applies to all domains and all errors. It
specifies
# retries every 15 minutes for 2 hours, then increasing retry intervals,
# starting at 2 hours and increasing each time by a factor of 1.5, up to
16
# hours, then retries every 8 hours until 4 days have passed since the
first
# failed delivery.

# Domain               Error       Retries
# ------               -----       -------

*                      *           F,2h,15m; G,16h,2h,1.5; F,4d,8h

end


######################################################################
#                      REWRITE CONFIGURATION                         #
######################################################################


# There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration
file.


# This rewriting rule is particularly useful for dialup users who
# don't have their own domain, but could be useful for anyone.
# It looks up the real address of all local users in a file

#*@granul.at    ${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\
#                                               {$value}fail} bcfrF
*@*.granul.at $1 at granul.at Ffrs

# End of Exim configuration file



-- 
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Fighting for Socialism: www.worldsocialist-cwi.org - www.slp.at
Do yourself a favor - use and support Debian/GNU Linux




From howanitz at nindo.com  Tue Aug 28 16:13:32 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:13:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Have you linked your wrapper into /etc/smrsh/  ?

Have you cleared the mail queue and resent the message?

-- 

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Marc Bitner wrote:

> Scott, don't know how my message came out in HTML code, probably because of Hotmail, so I got out of using Hotmail, so this one should be a little better.
>
> Here is what I put in my /etc/aliases file (list name is onemore):
>
> onemore: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post onemore"
> onemore-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner onemore"
> onemore-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd onemore"
> onemore-owner: onemore-admin
[SNIP]




From mbitner at dis.umsmed.edu  Tue Aug 28 16:11:36 2001
From: mbitner at dis.umsmed.edu (Marc Bitner)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:11:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
Message-ID: 

I did a cd /etc/smrsh
Then at $/etc/smrsh I typed:
ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

How do you go about clearing the mail queue??

Marc

>>> Keith Howanitz  08/28/01 09:13AM >>>
Have you linked your wrapper into /etc/smrsh/  ?

Have you cleared the mail queue and resent the message?

-- 

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com 

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Marc Bitner wrote:

> Scott, don't know how my message came out in HTML code, probably because of Hotmail, so I got out of using Hotmail, so this one should be a little better.
>
> Here is what I put in my /etc/aliases file (list name is onemore):
>
> onemore: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post onemore"
> onemore-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner onemore"
> onemore-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd onemore"
> onemore-owner: onemore-admin
[SNIP]





From enriko.groen at netivity.nl  Tue Aug 28 16:18:44 2001
From: enriko.groen at netivity.nl (Enriko Groen)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:18:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no delivery of list postings
Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A221@NETIVITY-FS>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fabian Linzberger [mailto:linzberger at web.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 16:02
> 
> All the Webpages and scripts seem to work fine (I can create a test
> list, subscribe people to it, they get a welcome message, listinfo is
> there...), however if I post a message to the list or list-admin it
> disappears without further notice. The mailman logs are empty and exim
> only says:
> 
> 2001-08-28 06:20:40 15binG-0004M7-00 => test2 
> D=list_admin_dire
> ctor T=list_admin_transport
> 2001-08-28 06:20:40 15binG-0004M7-00 Completed
> 
> (the same without admin for the list posting case)
> There is no further delivery to any real-adresses...
> 
> This also happens regardless of posting to test at slp.at or 
> test at granul.at
> (test beeing the list name).
> 
> 
> I assume there is some problem with the director or transport, since
> this is the last trace that my messages leave before disappearing...

Did you add the aliases generated by the newlist command to the aliases
file?
Did you issue a newaliases (or the similar Exim command)?
Did you add the cron entries for the Mailman user?

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From ivy at theiceberg.com  Tue Aug 28 17:07:57 2001
From: ivy at theiceberg.com (Ivy Wang)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:07:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug?
Message-ID: <000c01c12fd3$38adbe40$d86296cd@icebergmedia.local>

When I go to our mailman admin page, and click "Tend to pending administrative requests", I get:
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

I checked error log file, and it has a lot of :

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
  File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Anybody here has the same problem with me? Your help would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks.

Ivy

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From I.A.Shields at qmul.ac.uk  Tue Aug 28 17:27:45 2001
From: I.A.Shields at qmul.ac.uk (Iain Shields)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:27:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with a new installation
Message-ID: 

I have recently installed mailman on my debian potato 2.2r2 system, which
worked fine for a few days, but then over the weekend I received around 2000
emails from the machine with the following details.  After a reboot it seems
to be fine, but obviously I would like to ensure it never happens again.
What have I done wrong? Any help much appreciated as I'm quite new to the
whole thing.

Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S
/homespace/mailman/cron/qrunner
/usr/bin/python: error in loading shared libraries:
/usr/lib/libpython1.5.so.0.0: symbol environ, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined
in file libc.so.6 with link time reference

cheers
Iain

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Iain Shields
Students' Union
Queen Mary College
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




From sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com  Tue Aug 28 17:42:57 2001
From: sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com (sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
In-Reply-To: ; from mbitner@dis.umsmed.edu on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:11:36AM -0500
References: 
Message-ID: <20010828114257.B20097@dustpuppy.dlcty1.va.home.com>

What does your /var/log/syslog or maillog say?

On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 09:11:36AM -0500, Marc Bitner wrote:
> I did a cd /etc/smrsh
> Then at $/etc/smrsh I typed:
> ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper
> 
> How do you go about clearing the mail queue??
> 
> Marc
> 
> >>> Keith Howanitz  08/28/01 09:13AM >>>
> Have you linked your wrapper into /etc/smrsh/  ?
> 
> Have you cleared the mail queue and resent the message?
> 
> -- 
> 
> -Keith
> howanitz at nindo.com 
> 
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Marc Bitner wrote:
> 
> > Scott, don't know how my message came out in HTML code, probably because of Hotmail, so I got out of using Hotmail, so this one should be a little better.
> >
> > Here is what I put in my /etc/aliases file (list name is onemore):
> >
> > onemore: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post onemore"
> > onemore-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner onemore"
> > onemore-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd onemore"
> > onemore-owner: onemore-admin
> [SNIP]
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ser at perio.unlp.edu.ar  Tue Aug 28 18:09:37 2001
From: ser at perio.unlp.edu.ar (Sergio A. Kessler)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:09:37 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disabling mailman's injected fields
Message-ID: <00e401c12fdc$071df940$640100c0@ksbarg.com>

hi,

is there a way to disable the inserting of
List-Archive: 
List-Help: 
List-Id: 
etc...
fields in messages that mailman take ?

TIA,
/sergio




From ckolar at aurora.edu  Tue Aug 28 19:04:00 2001
From: ckolar at aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:04:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] * Mailman Docs Moving *
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010828120056.0287ba58@mail.aurora.edu>

Hello everyone.  I will be changing jobs this week and the mailman 
documentation will be moving with me.  I will be looking through my logs to 
see if I can find people who have incoming links but things will be busy 
for me the next couple of days and I may note be able to contact people in 
a timely fashion; so if you link to the docs at 
www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman please note that they will now be at:

	www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman

Cheers,

--chris




From arandall at auntminnie.com  Tue Aug 28 19:04:43 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:04:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] no delivery of list postings
References: <3B8BA440.D5EA98BE@slp.at>
Message-ID: <3B8BCF2A.53722EBB@auntminnie.com>

This may or may not apply to debian and/or exim - but for what it's worth,
remote mail on my system was getting eaten until I edited the tcp-env line
in hosts.allow. My original install notes with my MTA (IIRC) had me put
"localhost" in that line, but it did not work until I *also* added
127.0.0.1. (Logical? No, not really, but it worked...) Mail other than
mailman (straight through the MTA) was getting through just fine; only the
mailman mail was vanishing into the ether.

::shrug::

=)
Amanda


Fabian Linzberger wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am running a debian potato server using apache as webserver and exim
> as mta. I have installed mailman 2.0.6 according to the instructions
> found on www.list.org also I added configurations for exim according to
> the exim/mailman howto, the tests on the bottom of the howto all worked
> fine.
>
> We have several domain names pointing to this server: the main host name
> is granul.at, whereas the one that is used to access mailman lists is
> slp.at.
>
> All the Webpages and scripts seem to work fine (I can create a test
> list, subscribe people to it, they get a welcome message, listinfo is
> there...), however if I post a message to the list or list-admin it
> disappears without further notice. The mailman logs are empty and exim
> only says:
>
> 2001-08-28 06:20:40 15binG-0004M7-00 => test2 
> D=list_admin_dire
> ctor T=list_admin_transport
> 2001-08-28 06:20:40 15binG-0004M7-00 Completed
>
> (the same without admin for the list posting case)
> There is no further delivery to any real-adresses...
>
> This also happens regardless of posting to test at slp.at or test at granul.at
> (test beeing the list name).
>
> I assume there is some problem with the director or transport, since
> this is the last trace that my messages leave before disappearing...
>
> I have included the exim.conf and slp.at.aliases file for your
> reference.
>
> If you need other info, please tell me and I will try to provide it.
>
> thanks a lot
> Fabian
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> slp.at.aliases
>
> # generally, forward all to user slp (we need this because we have
> another host with dialup connection using fetchmail to deliver most
> messages, who retrieves them from account slp, I don't think it is the
> problem since nothing changes if I comment it out...)
>
> *:slp
>
> # users not to be forwarded to slp
> root:somerealaddress at somewhere.net
>
> # system users
> mailman: root
> mailman-owner: root
> mailman-request: root
>
> !!other system daemon aliases and user aliases ommitted for brevity...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> exim.conf
>
> # This is the main exim configuration file.
> # It was originally generated by `eximconfig', part of the exim package
> # distributed with Debian, but it may edited by the mail system
> administrator.
> # This file originally generated by eximconfig at Mon Jun 18 10:16:53
> PDT 2001
> # See exim info section for details of the things that can be configured
> here.
>
> # Please see the manual for a complete list
> # of all the runtime configuration options that can be included in a
> # configuration file.
>
> # This file is divided into several parts, all but the last of which are
> # terminated by a line containing the word "end". The parts must appear
> # in the correct order, and all must be present (even if some of them
> are
> # in fact empty). Blank lines, and lines starting with # are ignored.
>
> ######################################################################
> #                    MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS                     #
> ######################################################################
>
> # Specify the domain you want to be added to all unqualified addresses
> # here. Unqualified addresses are accepted only from local callers by
> # default. See the receiver_unqualified_{hosts,nets} options if you want
> # to permit unqualified addresses from remote sources. If this option is
> # not set, the primary_hostname value is used for qualification.
>
> qualify_domain = granul.at
>
> # If you want unqualified recipient addresses to be qualified with a
> different
> # domain to unqualified sender addresses, specify the recipient domain
> here.
> # If this option is not set, the qualify_domain value is used.
>
> # qualify_recipient =
>
> # Specify your local domains as a colon-separated list here. If this
> option
> # is not set (i.e. not mentioned in the configuration file), the
> # qualify_recipient value is used as the only local domain. If you do
> not want
> # to do any local deliveries, uncomment the following line, but do not
> supply
> # any data for it. This sets local_domains to an empty string, which is
> not
> # the same as not mentioning it at all. An empty string specifies that
> there
> # are no local domains; not setting it at all causes the default value
> (the
> # setting of qualify_recipient) to be used.
>
> local_domains = slp.at:localhost:granul.at:lists.granul.at
> # local_domains = /etc/exim.domains
>
> # Allow mail addressed to our hostname, or to our IP address.
>
> local_domains_include_host = true
> local_domains_include_host_literals = true
>
> # Domains we relay for; that is domains that aren't considered local but
> we
> # accept mail for them.
>
> #relay_domains =
>
> # If this is uncommented, we accept and relay mail for all domains we
> are
> # in the DNS as an MX for.
>
> #relay_domains_include_local_mx = true
>
> # No local deliveries will ever be run under the uids of these users (a
> colon-
> # separated list). An attempt to do so gets changed so that it runs
> under the
> # uid of "nobody" instead. This is a paranoic safety catch. Note the
> default
> # setting means you cannot deliver mail addressed to root as if it were
> a
> # normal user. This isn't usually a problem, as most sites have an alias
> for
> # root that redirects such mail to a human administrator.
>
> never_users = root
>
> # The setting below causes Exim to do a reverse DNS lookup on all
> incoming
> # IP calls, in order to get the true host name. If you feel this is too
> # expensive, you can specify the networks for which a lookup is done, or
> # remove the setting entirely.
>
> host_lookup = *
>
> # The setting below would, if uncommented, cause Exim to check the
> syntax of
> # all the headers that are supposed to contain email addresses (To:,
> From:,
> # etc). This reduces the level of bounced bounces considerably.
>
> # headers_check_syntax
>
> # Exim contains support for the Realtime Blocking List (RBL) that is
> being
> # maintained as part of the DNS. See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for
> # background. Uncommenting the following line will make Exim reject mail
> # from any host whose IP address is blacklisted in the RBL at
> maps.vix.com.
>
> rbl_domains = rbl.maps.vix.com
> rbl_reject_recipients = false
> rbl_warn_header = true
>
> # The setting below allows your host to be used as a mail relay only by
> # localhost: it locks out the use of your host as a mail relay by any
> # other host. See the section of the manual entitled "Control of
> relaying"
> # for more info.
>
> host_accept_relay = localhost
>
> # If you want Exim to support the "percent hack" for all your local
> domains,
> # uncomment the following line. This is the feature by which mail
> addressed
> # to x%y at z (where z is one of your local domains) is locally rerouted to
> # x at y and sent on. Otherwise x%y is treated as an ordinary local part
>
> # percent_hack_domains=*
>
> # If this option is set, then any process that is running as one of the
> # listed users may pass a message to Exim and specify the sender's
> # address using the "-f" command line option, without Exim's adding a
> # "Sender" header.
>
> trusted_users = mail
>
> # If this option is true, the SMTP command VRFY is supported on incoming
> # SMTP connections; otherwise it is not.
>
> smtp_verify = true
>
> # added for mailman, fs
> receiver_verify_hosts = !127.0.0.1/8:0.0.0.0/0
> sender_verify
>
> # Some operating systems use the "gecos" field in the system password
> file
> # to hold other information in addition to users' real names. Exim looks
> up
> # this field when it is creating "sender" and "from" headers. If these
> options
> # are set, exim uses "gecos_pattern" to parse the gecos field, and then
> # expands "gecos_name" as the user's name. $1 etc refer to sub-fields
> matched
> # by the pattern.
>
> gecos_pattern = ^([^,:]*)
> gecos_name = $1
>
> # This sets the maximum number of messages that will be accepted in one
> # connection. The default is 10, which is probably enough for most
> purposes,
> # but is too low on dialup SMTP systems, which often have many more
> mails
> # queued for them when they connect.
>
> smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 100
>
> # Send a mail to the postmaster when a message is frozen. There are many
> # reasons this could happen; one is if exim cannot deliver a mail with
> no
> # return address (normally a bounce) another that may be common on
> dialup
> # systems is if a DNS lookup of a smarthost fails. Read the
> documentation
> # for more details: you might like to look at the auto_thaw option
>
> freeze_tell_mailmaster = true
>
> # This string defines the contents of the \`Received' message header
> that
> # is added to each message, except for the timestamp, which is
> automatically
> # added on at the end, preceded by a semicolon. The string is expanded
> each
> # time it is used.
>
> received_header_text = "Received: \
>          ${if def:sender_rcvhost {from ${sender_rcvhost}\n\t}\
>          {${if def:sender_ident {from ${sender_ident} }}\
>          ${if def:sender_helo_name {(helo=${sender_helo_name})\n\t}}}}\
>          by ${primary_hostname} \
>          ${if def:received_protocol {with ${received_protocol}}} \
>          (Exim ${version_number} #${compile_number} (Debian))\n\t\
>          id ${message_id}\
>          ${if def:received_for {\n\tfor <$received_for>}}"
>
> # -- added for mailman, fs
> # home dir for mailman
> MAILMAN_HOME=/var/lib/mailman
> # wrapper script for mailman
> MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
> # user and group for mailman
> MAILMAN_UID=mail
> MAILMAN_GID=mail
>
> end
>
> ######################################################################
> #                      TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION                      #
> ######################################################################
> #                       ORDER DOES NOT MATTER                        #
> #     Only one appropriate transport is called for each delivery.    #
> ######################################################################
>
> # This transport is used for local delivery to user mailboxes. On debian
> # systems group mail is used so we can write to the /var/spool/mail
> # directory. (The alternative, which most other unixes use, is to
> deliver
> # as the user's own group, into a sticky-bitted directory)
>
> local_delivery:
>   driver = appendfile
>   group = mail
>   mode = 0660
>   mode_fail_narrower = false
>   envelope_to_add = true
>   file = /var/spool/mail/${local_part}
>
> # This transport is used for handling pipe addresses generated by
> # alias or .forward files. If the pipe generates any standard output,
> # it is returned to the sender of the message as a delivery error. Set
> # return_fail_output instead if you want this to happen only when the
> # pipe fails to complete normally.
>
> address_pipe:
>   driver = pipe
>   return_output
>
> # This transport is used for handling file addresses generated by alias
> # or .forward files.
>
> address_file:
>   driver = appendfile
>
> # This transport is used for handling file addresses generated by alias
> # or .forward files if the path ends in "/", which causes it to be
> treated
> # as a directory name rather than a file name. Each message is then
> delivered
> # to a unique file in the directory. If instead you want all such
> deliveries to
> # be in the "maildir" format that is used by some other mail software,
> # uncomment the final option below. If this is done, the directory
> specified
> # in the .forward or alias file is the base maildir directory.
> #
> # Should you want to be able to specify either maildir or non-maildir
> # directory-style deliveries, then you must set up yet another
> transport,
> # called address_directory2. This is used if the path ends in "//" so
> should
> # be the one used for maildir, as the double slash suggests another
> level
> # of directory. In the absence of address_directory2, paths ending in //
> # are passed to address_directory.
>
> address_directory:
>   driver = appendfile
>   no_from_hack
>   prefix = ""
>   suffix = ""
> # maildir_format
>
> # This transport is used for handling autoreplies generated by the
> filtering
> # option of the forwardfile director.
>
> address_reply:
>   driver = autoreply
>
> # This transport is used for procmail
>
> procmail_pipe:
>   driver = pipe
>   command = "/usr/bin/procmail -d ${local_part}"
>   return_path_add
>   delivery_date_add
>   envelope_to_add
>   check_string = "From "
>   escape_string = ">From "
>   user = $local_part
>   group = mail
>
> # This transport is used for delivering messages over SMTP connections.
>
> remote_smtp:
>   driver = smtp
>
> # added for mailmain, fs
> ## Three transports for list mail, request mail and admin mail
> ## respectively
> ## Mailman is installed in MAILMAN_HOME
> ## Mailman is configured to be invoked as user mail
> list_transport:
>   driver = pipe
>   command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
>   current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   user = MAILMAN_UID
>   group = MAILMAN_GID
>
> list_request_transport:
>   driver = pipe
>   command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
>   current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   user = MAILMAN_UID
>   group = MAILMAN_GID
>
> list_admin_transport:
>   driver = pipe
>   command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
>   current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
>   user = MAILMAN_UID
>   group = MAILMAN_GID
>
> end
>
> ######################################################################
> #                      DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION                       #
> #             Specifies how local addresses are handled              #
> ######################################################################
> #                          ORDER DOES MATTER                         #
> #   A local address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted.  #
> ######################################################################
>
> # This allows local delivery to be forced, avoiding alias files and
> # forwarding.
>
> real_local:
>   prefix = real-
>   driver = localuser
>   transport = local_delivery
>
> # added for mailman, fs
> ## First 2 directors rewrite list-owner or owner-list to list-admin
> ## This is only done if the list exists.
> ## List existence checks are done by seeing if the file
> ## MAILMAN_HOME/lists//config.db
> ## exists.
> list_owner_director:
>   driver = smartuser
>   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>   suffix = "-owner"
>   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
>
> owner_list_director:
>   driver = smartuser
>   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>   prefix = "owner-"
>   new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"
>
> ## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the
> appropriate
> ## transport.List existence is checked as above.
> list_admin_director:
>   driver = smartuser
>   suffix = -admin
>   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>   transport = list_admin_transport
>
> list_request_director:
>   driver = smartuser
>   suffix = -request
>   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>   transport = list_request_transport
>
> list_director:
>   driver = smartuser
>   require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
>   transport = list_transport
>
> # This director handles aliasing using a traditional /etc/aliases file.
> # If any of your aliases expand to pipes or files, you will need to set
> # up a user and a group for these deliveries to run under. You can do
> # this by uncommenting the "user" option below (changing the user name
> # as appropriate) and adding a "group" option if necessary.
>
> system_aliases:
>   driver = aliasfile
>   file_transport = address_file
>   pipe_transport = address_pipe
>   file = /etc/exim.domains/$domain.aliases
>   search_type = lsearch*
>   user = list
> # Uncomment the above line if you are running smartlist
>
> # This director runs procmail for users who have a .procmailrc file
>
> procmail:
>   driver = localuser
>   transport = procmail_pipe
>   require_files =
> ${local_part}:+${home}:+${home}/.procmailrc:+/usr/bin/procmail
>   no_verify
>
> # This director handles forwarding using traditional .forward files.
> # It also allows mail filtering when a forward file starts with the
> # string "# Exim filter": to disable filtering, uncomment the "filter"
> # option. The check_ancestor option means that if the forward file
> # generates an address that is an ancestor of the current one, the
> # current one gets passed on instead. This covers the case where A is
> # aliased to B and B has a .forward file pointing to A.
>
> # For standard debian setup of one group per user, it is
> acceptable---normal
> # even---for .forward to be group writable. If you have everyone in one
> # group, you should comment out the "modemask" line. Without it, the
> exim
> # default of 022 will apply, which is probably what you want.
>
> userforward:
>   driver = forwardfile
>   file_transport = address_file
>   pipe_transport = address_pipe
>   reply_transport = address_reply
>   no_verify
>   check_ancestor
>   file = .forward
>   modemask = 002
>   filter
>
> # This director matches local user mailboxes.
>
> localuser:
>   driver = localuser
>   transport = local_delivery
>
> end
>
> ######################################################################
> #                      ROUTERS CONFIGURATION                         #
> #            Specifies how remote addresses are handled              #
> ######################################################################
> #                          ORDER DOES MATTER                         #
> #  A remote address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted.  #
> ######################################################################
>
> # Remote addresses are those with a domain that does not match any item
> # in the "local_domains" setting above.
>
> # This router routes to remote hosts over SMTP using a DNS lookup with
> # default options.
>
> lookuphost:
>   driver = lookuphost
>   transport = remote_smtp
>
> # This router routes to remote hosts over SMTP by explicit IP address,
> # given as a "domain literal" in the form [nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn]. The RFCs
> # require this facility, which is why it is enabled by default in Exim.
> # If you want to lock it out, set forbid_domain_literals in the main
> # configuration section above.
>
> literal:
>   driver = ipliteral
>   transport = remote_smtp
>
> end
>
> ######################################################################
> #                      RETRY CONFIGURATION                           #
> ######################################################################
>
> # This single retry rule applies to all domains and all errors. It
> specifies
> # retries every 15 minutes for 2 hours, then increasing retry intervals,
> # starting at 2 hours and increasing each time by a factor of 1.5, up to
> 16
> # hours, then retries every 8 hours until 4 days have passed since the
> first
> # failed delivery.
>
> # Domain               Error       Retries
> # ------               -----       -------
>
> *                      *           F,2h,15m; G,16h,2h,1.5; F,4d,8h
>
> end
>
> ######################################################################
> #                      REWRITE CONFIGURATION                         #
> ######################################################################
>
> # There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration
> file.
>
> # This rewriting rule is particularly useful for dialup users who
> # don't have their own domain, but could be useful for anyone.
> # It looks up the real address of all local users in a file
>
> #*@granul.at    ${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\
> #                                               {$value}fail} bcfrF
> *@*.granul.at $1 at granul.at Ffrs
>
> # End of Exim configuration file
>
> --
> Fabian Linzberger - fabian at slp.at - (0699/1)9568768
> Fighting for Socialism: www.worldsocialist-cwi.org - www.slp.at
> Do yourself a favor - use and support Debian/GNU Linux
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ryan at p11.com  Tue Aug 28 19:35:58 2001
From: ryan at p11.com (Ryan Creasey)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:35:58 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode
In-Reply-To: <003001c12fbb$966efb10$6d55a8c0@angel>
Message-ID: <000901c12fe7$e63442a0$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>

Will this also solve removing all html from non-digest as well?  I'd
like to force my list to be text only.

Ryan C. Creasey
Network Engineer
p11creative
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Cal Evans
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:19 AM
To: cjain at ix.netcom.com; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode


check the archives. Look for DEMIME.
Cal
*
* Cal Evans
* Senior Internet Dreamer
* http://www.calevans.com
*
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Christopher Jain 
To: mailman-users at python.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:09
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode


Does anyone know how to configure mailman to filter out html code in the
daily digests?  Any advice appreciated! 
Thanks!
Chris Jain




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From cal at calevans.com  Tue Aug 28 19:43:08 2001
From: cal at calevans.com (Cal Evans)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:43:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode
References: <000901c12fe7$e63442a0$0701a8c0@rcreasey01>
Message-ID: <01ad01c12fe8$e7487c50$6d55a8c0@angel>

It should.

Cal
*
* Cal Evans
* Senior Internet Dreamer
* http://www.calevans.com
*
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Creasey" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 12:35
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode


> Will this also solve removing all html from non-digest as well?  I'd
> like to force my list to be text only.
> 
> Ryan C. Creasey
> Network Engineer
> p11creative
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org] On Behalf Of Cal Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 5:19 AM
> To: cjain at ix.netcom.com; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode
> 
> 
> check the archives. Look for DEMIME.
> Cal
> *
> * Cal Evans
> * Senior Internet Dreamer
> * http://www.calevans.com
> *
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Christopher Jain 
> To: mailman-users at python.org 
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:09
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] html code in Digest Mode
> 
> 
> Does anyone know how to configure mailman to filter out html code in the
> daily digests?  Any advice appreciated! 
> Thanks!
> Chris Jain
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ivy at theiceberg.com  Tue Aug 28 20:08:27 2001
From: ivy at theiceberg.com (Ivy Wang)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:08:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug?
Message-ID: <000901c12fec$6fa64700$d86296cd@icebergmedia.local>

When I go to our mailman admin page, and click "Tend to pending administrative requests", I get:
Bug in Mailman version 2.0.4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 

I checked error log file, and it has a lot of :

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
    count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
  File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
  File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
EOFError: EOF read where object expected

Anybody here has the same problem with me? Your help would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks.

Ivy

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From howanitz at nindo.com  Tue Aug 28 21:11:56 2001
From: howanitz at nindo.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:11:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of issues
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

try running mailq to see if you have anything stuck, then resend the
messages now that you have your alias file fixed.

-- 

-Keith
howanitz at nindo.com

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Marc Bitner wrote:

> I did a cd /etc/smrsh
> Then at $/etc/smrsh I typed:
> ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper
>
> How do you go about clearing the mail queue??
[SNIP]




From nvp at atg.com  Tue Aug 28 22:26:16 2001
From: nvp at atg.com (Nathan V. Patwardhan)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:26:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Blocking users who do not match rule?
Message-ID: <20010828162616.C1536@atg.com>

All,

I've checked out the Mailman docs and can't figure out if Mailman
supports the reject recipe that I want to implement.  Basically, we
want to have "open" and "closed" subscription lists, where "open" lists
are available to everyone and "closed" lists are only available to
atg.com.  To solve part of this problem, we used forbidden_posters[],
which seems to do what we want.

So, I guess that I have 2 questions:

1. Is there a way to advertise a different set of lists to internal
   and external hosts?

2. Once I succeed in blocking mail (forbidden_posters['!*@myhost.com']?),
   is there a way to reject the mail on-the-fly instead of sending the
   held message to the list admin (from where "a real person" would
   have to reject it)?  Don't recall if I saw this one on the
   'Wishlist!' or not.

Thanks.

-- 
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Art Technology Group
npatwardhan at atg.com
********************************************
$ ping elvis
elvis is alive



From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 29 00:19:43 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:19:43 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems
Message-ID: <3B8C18FF.6A6BE611@pcraft.com>

Can anyone explain to me what this error is:

Aug 28 14:16:05 2001 (30743) Delivery exception: 'SafeDict' instance has
no attribute '__int__'
Aug 28 14:16:05 2001 (30743) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 121, in
process
    inject_digest(mlist, digestfile, topicsfile)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 176, in
inject_digest
    msg = digest.asText()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 245, in
asText
    return self.Present(mime=0)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in
Present
    lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs())
AttributeError: 'SafeDict' instance has no attribute '__int__'


...and hopefully, how to fix it?  Our 'next-digest' file grows and
grows, way past its max size, and that error just eternally repeats
itself.

    Mailman version 2.0.1

--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Tue Aug 28 23:38:01 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:38:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems
In-Reply-To: <3B8C18FF.6A6BE611@pcraft.com>
References: <3B8C18FF.6A6BE611@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20010828233801.01266718.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

Hi,

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:19:43 -0700
"Ashley M. Kirchner"  wrote:

> Aug 28 14:16:05 2001 (30743) Delivery exception: 'SafeDict' instance has
> no attribute '__int__'
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py", line 313, in
> Present
>     lines.append(self.__mlist.digest_footer % self.TemplateRefs())
> AttributeError: 'SafeDict' instance has no attribute '__int__'

This is just a wild guess... but did somebody recently edit the list
templates or the digest footer info on the admin page? I remember getting
errors once while I had some misformed template variables in one of the
templates... so might want to have a look in either place...

Regards,

Ricardo




From jsheen at leviathanstudios.com  Wed Aug 29 00:02:55 2001
From: jsheen at leviathanstudios.com (Jonathan Andrew Sheen)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:02:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron  /usr/local/bin/python -S
 /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20010828180230.00e7625c@pop.ma.ultranet.com>

My mailing list seems to be working, okay, but I've gotten a couple of
these, and they concern me. "check_perms" seems happy enough. Do I need to
do anything with this?

>Return-Path: mailman at ultranet.kom.cx
>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:00:02 -0400 (EDT)
>From: mailman at ultranet.kom.cx (Cron Daemon)
>To: mailman at ultranet.kom.cx
>Subject: Cron  /usr/local/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>X-Cron-Env: 
>
>Traceback (innermost last):
>  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
>    main()
>  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 59, in main
>    mlist.Save()
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 879, in Save
>    self.SaveRequestsDb()
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 93, in SaveRequestsDb
>    self.__closedb()
>  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __closedb
>    fp = open(self.__filename, 'w')
>IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/my_list/request.db'
>
>

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
jsheen at leviathanstudios.com

     "Talk about passing the time..." 
     -Special Agent Fox W. Mulder, FBI



From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Aug 29 01:14:56 2001
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:14:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems
References: <3B8C18FF.6A6BE611@pcraft.com> <20010828233801.01266718.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <3B8C25F0.8355558B@pcraft.com>

"Ricardo F. Kustner" wrote:

> This is just a wild guess... but did somebody recently edit the list
> templates or the digest footer info on the admin page? I remember getting
> errors once while I had some misformed template variables in one of the
> templates... so might want to have a look in either place...

    Yeap.  That's what it was.  However, this now brings me to my next
question:  Which characters are trouble characters?  As in, which ones needs
to be escaped?  % ?  ! ?

    My client had put something similar to this in the footer:  /30-70%  (with
the / prefixed) and somewhere further down the line, he had '/EVC' (again
prefixed with the / ).  Those /'s weren't mistakes, they were put there by him
(for whatever reason), however are those characters (whether %, ! or / )the
trouble makers, and if so, how CAN they be used?

--
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  +--------------------------------------------------------------------
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  IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith             .     800.441.3873 x130
  Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.            .     3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
  http://www.pcraft.com ..... .  .    .       Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.





From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Aug 29 00:18:00 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:18:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug?
Message-ID: <200108282217.PAA13779@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Looks like request.db is corrupted.  Try dumping with bin/dumpdb; 
if that fails too, just remove it.  (You may lose a held message
or two; IMO, that's not a big deal.)


> When I go to our mailman admin page, and click "Tend to pending administrative 
requests", I get:
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.4
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the 
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
> 
> I checked error log file, and it has a lot of :
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
>     count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
>   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
>   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
> EOFError: EOF read where object expected
> 
> Anybody here has the same problem with me? Your help would be greatly 
appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ivy
> 




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug 29 00:44:56 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:44:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems
In-Reply-To: <3B8C25F0.8355558B@pcraft.com>
References: <3B8C18FF.6A6BE611@pcraft.com>
	<20010828233801.01266718.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
	<3B8C25F0.8355558B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <20010829004456.343e512c.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:14:56 -0700
"Ashley M. Kirchner"  wrote:

> "Ricardo F. Kustner" wrote:
> 
> > This is just a wild guess... but did somebody recently edit the list
> > templates or the digest footer info on the admin page? I remember
> getting
> > errors once while I had some misformed template variables in one of
> the
> > templates... so might want to have a look in either place...
> 
>     Yeap.  That's what it was.  However, this now brings me to my next
> question:  Which characters are trouble characters?  As in, which ones
> needs
> to be escaped?  % ?  ! ?

hopefully this link answers your question:
http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/typesseq-strings.html

Regards,

Ricardo.
--
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From dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM  Wed Aug 29 01:05:31 2001
From: dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems
Message-ID: <200108282305.QAA16580@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> "Ricardo F. Kustner" wrote:
> 
> > This is just a wild guess... but did somebody recently edit the list
> > templates or the digest footer info on the admin page? I remember getting
> > errors once while I had some misformed template variables in one of the
> > templates... so might want to have a look in either place...
> 
>     Yeap.  That's what it was.  However, this now brings me to my next
> question:  Which characters are trouble characters?  As in, which ones needs
> to be escaped?  % ?  ! ?

See "details" for footer (or header):

msg_footer (nondigest): Footer added to mail sent to regular list members

Text appended to the bottom of every immediately-delivery message. This text can 
include %(attribute)s format strings which
are resolved against the list's attributes. For details, see Python's string 
formatting rules. Some useful attributes are: 

      real_name - The `pretty' name of the list; usually the list name with 
capitalization. 
      _internal_name - The name by which the list is identified in URLs, where 
case is significant. 
      host_name - The fully qualified domain name that the list server runs on. 
      web_page_url - The base URL for Mailman. This can be appended with, e.g. 
listinfo/%(_internal_name)s to yield the listinfo
      page for the mailing list. 
      description - The brief description of the mailing list. 
      info - The full description of the mailing list. 
      




From alaric at babcom.com  Mon Aug 27 20:37:56 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
In-Reply-To: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>; from jeff_baldwin@unc.edu on Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 10:37:06AM -0400
References: <3B8A5B12.35A02215@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <20010827113756.B3789@babylon5.babcom.com>

On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 10:37:06AM -0400, Jeff Baldwin wrote:
> Hello Everyone -
> 
> On my server users are not allowed to enter/edit crontabs... will it
> harm the operation of MailMan if I were to put the contents of
> "crontab.in" into my system cron (/etc/crontab) versus doing the
> "crontab crontab.in" as user mailman?

Ask yourself this:  Why are there separate crontabs for separate users 
instead of just one big crontab that's run as root?

There's several answers, but they include the fact that some cron jobs,
you don't *want* to be run as root, either because it's unsafe or because
doing so will munge file permissions in such a way that the real owner of
the files (in this case, Mailman) can no longer use them properly.


-- 
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        alaric at babcom.com                halmayne at sourceforge.net
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From jajoa at wmdata.com  Wed Aug 29 09:13:16 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:13:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
Message-ID: 

>Ask yourself this:  Why are there separate crontabs for separate users 
>instead of just one big crontab that's run as root?


But, /etc/crontab allows you to designate which uid to run each task as
(atleast on RedHat / Mandrake), so it is quite safe.



From alaric at babcom.com  Wed Aug 29 09:38:08 2001
From: alaric at babcom.com (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 00:38:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron
In-Reply-To: ; from jajoa@wmdata.com on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 09:13:16AM +0200
References: 
Message-ID: <20010829003808.A11147@babylon5.babcom.com>

Sorry about the mailblurt, folks ....  I created a mail loop for myself 
in a moment of denseness, and everything went out at once when I cleared 
the loop.



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From PBoshoff at mweb.com  Wed Aug 29 10:15:54 2001
From: PBoshoff at mweb.com (Pieter Boshoff)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:15:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] format lost for word document
Message-ID: <2FAFB5605430D411A0DD00805FEB9034011FEF82@za14nt02.mweb.com>

I recently sent out a newsletter to our mailing list which was prepared in
Word and sent out as a paste.
The newsletter lost it formatting when opened up by users on the list. Is
there any way of preventing this.


> Pieter Boshoff
----------------------------------------------------
Unix sys Admin
Tel: +27 11 340 7256 
Fax: +27 11 340 7288 
Cell: +27 83 6004095
----------------------------------------------------
M-WEB Business Solutions
Your world. Your Way @ M-Web.co.za

> Need a fast, reliable e-mail service?
> For this and much more, just click or call to join M-Web!
> Call 08600 32000 or go to http://join.mweb.co.za
> 
Go shopping @ http://shopping.mweb.co.za 
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From fgoossens at reference.be  Wed Aug 29 10:24:18 2001
From: fgoossens at reference.be (Frank Goossens)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:24:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] format lost for word document
Message-ID: <418B208C10FCD311B1A500508B8B23D901B2F2D1@pathfinder.reference.be>

copy/paste the newsletter in notepad first (or write it in notepad ;-) and
paste that (corrected) content in a mail..

frank

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pieter Boshoff [mailto:PBoshoff at mweb.com]
> Sent: woensdag 29 augustus 2001 10:16
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] format lost for word document
> 
> 
> I recently sent out a newsletter to our mailing list which 
> was prepared in
> Word and sent out as a paste.
> The newsletter lost it formatting when opened up by users on 
> the list. Is
> there any way of preventing this.
> 
> 
> > Pieter Boshoff
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Unix sys Admin
> Tel: +27 11 340 7256 
> Fax: +27 11 340 7288 
> Cell: +27 83 6004095
> ----------------------------------------------------
> M-WEB Business Solutions
> Your world. Your Way @ M-Web.co.za
> 
> > Need a fast, reliable e-mail service?
> > For this and much more, just click or call to join M-Web!
> > Call 08600 32000 or go to http://join.mweb.co.za
> > 
> Go shopping @ http://shopping.mweb.co.za 
> Get your business online @ http://business.mweb.com  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
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From mail at jeffyee.com  Wed Aug 29 10:58:59 2001
From: mail at jeffyee.com (Jeffrey Yee)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:58:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Netscape Messaging Server 4.15
Message-ID: <004101c13068$d85892e0$34183d04@vz.dsl.genuity.net>

Hi,

Has anyone figured out how to get Mailman working with Netscape Messaging Server 4.15? I have it setup but I cannot receive any mail when I send to my lists. How do I turn on debugging to see what is going now?

Thanks.
Jeff.
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From mlogemann at morelogs.de  Wed Aug 29 13:08:28 2001
From: mlogemann at morelogs.de (Marc Logemann)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:08:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Diff of subscribe.py
Message-ID: 

Hi,

a few days ago i mentioned a bug in subscribe.py, resulting in wrong
HTML output. There were allways some html lines, which do not come from
the template but from the script/binary itself. The extra lines were also
wrong in terms of HTML compliance.

I modified it, that from now on, the subscribe.py is doing the same way than
listinfo.py, which has no problems regarding templates.

below a diff for subscribe.py in /cgi folder:

35c35
<     doc = Document()
---
>     doc = HeadlessDocument()
40c40
<         print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
---
>         print doc.Format()
49c49
<         print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
---
>         print doc.Format()
111c111
<             print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
---
>             print doc.Format()
121c121
<             print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
---
>             print doc.Format()
241c241
<     print doc.Format(bgcolor="#ffffff")
---
>     print doc.Format()


Can we go on with this version? Or are there any drawbacks? From my point of view
this seems to work well for "standard" and "customized" subscription-results
templates.



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From jajoa at wmdata.com  Wed Aug 29 13:15:51 2001
From: jajoa at wmdata.com (Johansson Jan)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:15:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mimelib?
Message-ID: 

Subject: Cron  /usr/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/senddigests

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 25, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 34, in ?
    from mimelib.address import getaddresses
ImportError: No module named mimelib.address

Current release of 2.1 on a RH7.1 plattform.



From bbarbour at gcts.edu  Wed Aug 29 14:15:47 2001
From: bbarbour at gcts.edu (Brian Barbour)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:15:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RUNNING MAILMAN SCRIPTS FROM WITHIN OTHER SCRIPTS
Message-ID: <001001c13084$55c38da0$f3ce79cf@gcts.edu>

I am attempting to use a Perl CGI script to add members to my mailman
lists, but the script will not execute the add_members command, it just
seems to skip over it.  I also had similar problems when attempting to
execute mailman scripts from within UNIX shell scripts.  Any
suggestions?


------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
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Advanced Technologies & Applications Specialist 
Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary
(978)646-4056
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---





From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Aug 29 14:28:26 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:28:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RUNNING MAILMAN SCRIPTS FROM WITHIN OTHER SCRIPTS
In-Reply-To: <001001c13084$55c38da0$f3ce79cf@gcts.edu>
References: <001001c13084$55c38da0$f3ce79cf@gcts.edu>
Message-ID: <20010829142826.32a38940.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:15:47 -0400
"Brian Barbour"  wrote:

> I am attempting to use a Perl CGI script to add members to my mailman
> lists, but the script will not execute the add_members command, it just
> seems to skip over it.  I also had similar problems when attempting to
> execute mailman scripts from within UNIX shell scripts.  Any
> suggestions?

This is probably related to permission problems... the scripts need to be
executed as user 'mailman'... you'll probably have to use suidperl.

Regards,

Ricardo




From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Aug 29 17:01:46 2001
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:01:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Diff of subscribe.py 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc Logemann  
   of "Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:08:28 +0200."  
References:  
Message-ID: <30967.999097306@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:08:28 +0200 
Marc Logemann  wrote:

> I modified it, that from now on, the subscribe.py is doing the
> same way than listinfo.py, which has no problems regarding
> templates.

Not to slight your patch, but it would do better sent to -developers
instead of -users.

  mailman-developers at python.org

-- 
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http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/                     Oh Freddled Gruntbuggly



From nvp at atg.com  Wed Aug 29 17:15:54 2001
From: nvp at atg.com (Nathan V. Patwardhan)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:15:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RUNNING MAILMAN SCRIPTS FROM WITHIN OTHER SCRIPTS
In-Reply-To: <20010829142826.32a38940.ricardo@rixhq.nu>; from ricardo@rixhq.nu on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:28:26PM +0200
References: <001001c13084$55c38da0$f3ce79cf@gcts.edu> <20010829142826.32a38940.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: <20010829111554.A17491@atg.com>

On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 02:28:26PM +0200, Ricardo F. Kustner wrote:
: 
: This is probably related to permission problems... the scripts need to be
: executed as user 'mailman'... you'll probably have to use suidperl.

suidperl?!  Good G*d, why?

(Or were you being sarcastic and I just lost the translation in ASCII? ;-) )

-- 
Nate Patwardhan
Art Technology Group
********************************************
$ ping elvis
elvis is alive



From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Wed Aug 29 18:44:33 2001
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:44:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RUNNING MAILMAN SCRIPTS FROM WITHIN OTHER
 SCRIPTS
In-Reply-To: <20010829142826.32a38940.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
References: <001001c13084$55c38da0$f3ce79cf@gcts.edu>
 <20010829142826.32a38940.ricardo@rixhq.nu>
Message-ID: 

Having done similar stuff in PHP, it is most certainly a permissions 
problem, the best way to debug it is to dump STDERR so you can see 
where it's dying.

One work around is to add the user your web server runs as to the 
mailman group.  But do not do that unless you fully understand and 
are comfortable with the security implications of doing so.  Of 
course, if you fully understand them, you probably won't be 
comfortable.

	- H



>On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 08:15:47 -0400
>"Brian Barbour"  wrote:
>
>>  I am attempting to use a Perl CGI script to add members to my mailman
>>  lists, but the script will not execute the add_members command, it just
>>  seems to skip over it.  I also had similar problems when attempting to
>>  execute mailman scripts from within UNIX shell scripts.  Any
>>  suggestions?
>
>This is probably related to permission problems... the scripts need to be
>executed as user 'mailman'... you'll probably have to use suidperl.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ricardo

-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From ivy at icebergmedia.com  Wed Aug 29 19:35:46 2001
From: ivy at icebergmedia.com (Ivy Wang)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:35:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug?
Message-ID: <469B2962EDFDE24CA16847F0D11DE0A60895B1@exchice.icebergmedia.local>

where is request.db?

When I try command: bin/dumpdb, I got:

These are always marshaled dictionaries. 
Usage: ./dumpdb filename

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Mick [mailto:dmick at utopia.West.Sun.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:18 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org; ivy at theiceberg.com
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bug?


Looks like request.db is corrupted.  Try dumping with bin/dumpdb; 
if that fails too, just remove it.  (You may lose a held message
or two; IMO, that's not a big deal.)


> When I go to our mailman admin page, and click "Tend to pending
administrative 
requests", I get:
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0.4
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of

traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
but the 
webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. 
> 
> I checked error log file, and it has a lot of :
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main
>     count = mlist.NumRequestsPending()
>   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in NumRequestsPending
>   File "../Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
> EOFError: EOF read where object expected
> 
> Anybody here has the same problem with me? Your help would be greatly 
appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ivy
> 



From laur at grapefruitdesign.com  Wed Aug 29 22:09:16 2001
From: laur at grapefruitdesign.com (Laurian Gridinoc)
Date: 29 Aug 2001 23:09:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message body is too big
Message-ID: <999115759.1530.46.camel@smith.thedot.net>

Hi there,

After a bounce with:
"Reason:  Message body is too big: 1841456 bytes but there's a limit of
512 KB"

all my lists are dead, ven if I rejected the mail as admin; all the
mails come in by the wrapper, and no mail is sent.

I wiped the list with the original problem and recreated it from scratch
but no help.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

-- 
Laurian Gridinoc
Chief Web Developer
GRAPEFRUIT DESIGN
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From mchapman at doit.wisc.edu  Wed Aug 29 22:27:08 2001
From: mchapman at doit.wisc.edu (Matthew Chapman)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:27:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms
Message-ID: 

I am running a Linux Mandrake 8.0 system with apache and sendmail.

I managed to get Mailman running, however for reasons I will not go into,
I removed and restart the install from scratch - going back as far as to
re-untar and recreate the mailman user (after userdel -r'ing)...

Now when I get to the step where i run check_perms, it gives me the
following error:

[mailman at hitchhiker mailman]# bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
    checkmail()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
    mode = statmode(wrapper)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
    return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper'


Sure enough there is nothing in the mail directory - I have tried
re-installing several times as end with the same error (and checking
using root).

Any help would be appreciated!

regards
Matthew Chapman

_________________________________________________________
mchapman at doit.wisc.edu - ICQ#5428662 - Phone 608.262.6729

Veni, Vidi, VISA:
        I came, I saw, I did a little shopping.
_________________________________________________________




From kschlachter at burlybear.com  Thu Aug 30 00:22:44 2001
From: kschlachter at burlybear.com (Schlachter, Kristofer)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:22:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and slow sending to large list
Message-ID: <00A9913C3EC0D211889D0060082DBD879DD70A@grizzly.broadwayvideo.com>

Hi,

The FAQ mentions that for poor sending performance "You need to turn off
synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host."
Well I don't know how to do that with sendmail and I couldn't find out how
on the web or in the archives of this list.  Can anyone tell me how to do
it? 

Further detail (for anyone interested):
I have mailman 2.0.6 running on a freebsd 4.3 box running sendmail 8.11.3. 
The smtp log has 104 messages going out every 50 minutes.
The machine sits behind a firewall that allows dns from the mailman server
to the dns server but is blocking all traffic that is not on port 53 from
the dns server to the mailman server.
I am a beginner at unix sys admin.
I am not spamming anyone, they opted into our mailing list.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kristofer Schlachter





From jobrooks at us.dhl.com  Thu Aug 30 00:17:33 2001
From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:17:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks timestamped in the future?
Message-ID: <3B8D69FD.63D4E94@us.dhl.com>

First, the particulars: Solaris 7, Python 2.1, mailman 2.0.6

I have recently encountered a very strange problem.  It started today.

First symptom, was that this one list wasn't sending out messages.
Second symptom, I was no longer able to access the admin webpages.
Sometimes I could log in and check the configs, most of the time I
could not.  The pages would hang.

So I thought it was a permission problem, but check_perms said all
was well.

As far as I can tell, this started sometime this morning, based on
all the messages in the qfiles directory for this list.

After I went on to check the qrunner and the locks, I discovered
something strange.  The timestamps in the lock directory are dated 
ahead of current time.

root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> date
Wed Aug 29 14:44:01 MST 2001

root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> ls -l
total 20
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 30  2001 qrunner.lock
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 30  2001
qrunner.lock.lists.19707
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29  2001 nnnnn_staff.lock
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19707
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19757
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19771
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19785
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19798
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19801
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19871


I modified the timestamps manually, but....

root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> touch -am *
root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> ls -l
total 20
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 29 14:44 qrunner.lock
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 29 14:44
qrunner.lock.lists.19707
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44 nnnnn_staff.lock
-rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19707
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19757
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19771
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19785
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19798
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19801
-rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19871

but within a few minutes, the timestamps go out of whack again.

This list is the only one that's not working...all the other lists
on this server (about 25) are behaving just fine.  And the qrunner
does manage to continue to timestamp itself oddly.  And every now
and then, I'll see a qrunner process that's several minutes old.
I saw one earlier today that was several hours old.  Killing the
hung qrunner doesn't seem to help much.

I'm tempted to remove the list and recreate it, but I don't know 
what that would do to the messages they've missed...if this causes 
the messages to be lost, I don't want to do that.

Any ideas?  This is quickly becoming urgent.


----
JoJo Brooks
DHL Worldwide Express



From mso at ssc.com  Thu Aug 30 00:40:37 2001
From: mso at ssc.com (Mike Orr)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:40:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bounce exception
Message-ID: <20010829154037.A15990@ssc.com>

I installed Mailman 2.0.6 (from the Debian package) last week, and
certain bounce messages are causing the qrunner to abort:

Aug 29 15:01:03 2001 qrunner(19529):   
File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py", line 46, in process
     if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \
TypeError :  read-only character buffer, None

When this happens, it seems to stop up all the other list messages and
they don't get through.  My /var/lib/mailman/qfiles directory contains
212 pairs of *.db / *.msg files, which I assume are unprocessed messages
(mostly bounces it looks like).

I ran qrunner under pdb and found that the offending section is:

(in Mailman/Bouncers/DSN.py:)
 45     def process(msg):
 46  ->     if string.lower(msg.gettype()) <> 'multipart/report' or \
 47            string.lower(msg.getparam('report-type')) <> 'delivery-status':
 48             # then
 49             return None

msg.getparam('report-type') is returning None, which string.lower() chokes on.  
msg is a mimetools.Message instance.  mimetools.py (Python 1.5.2) says
self.getparam() looks in self.plist[] , etc, like this:

1) Message.__init__() calls Message.parsetype(), which reads the
'content-type' header and sets self.plisttext.

(Pdb) p msg.getheader('content-type')
'multipart/report; boundary="---Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-29853"'

(Pdb) p msg.plisttext
'; boundary="---Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-29853"'


2) Message.__init__() calls Message.parseplist(), which builds 
self.plist[] from self.plisttext.  

(Pdb) p msg.plist
['boundary="---Multi-Part-Report-Level-1-1-29853"']

3) Later, our unfortunate method calls self.getparam('report-type'),
does not find 'report-type' (since the list contains only 'boundary'),
returns None, and the qrunner dies.


The first time it happened, I went up a few steps in the debugger,
found that the "mlist.Unlock()" call [qrunner.py line 256 (main()]
contains a 'file' variable with the current message filename
('8e1e772dc6e98db0e84fec6e4d3444eab7ddfa1a.msg'), unsubscribed the
offending address, and deleted the message in /var/lib/mailman/qfiles .
Then the qrunner ran without error and one of my earlier messages made
it through.  But then I looked in the logs a little later and found the
same error, this time from a different message.


Is this a known problem?  Is it worth upgrading to 2.1a2 ?  Is the
message header incorrect MIME?  But shouldn't Mailman be able to handle
problems like this gracefully?  Does anybody have any ideas, or do I
have to write myself a patch to work around this?

-- 
  ________________________________________________________________ 
   Mike Orr, mso at ssc.com |  SSC, publishers of Linux Journal 
     Technical Staff     |  PO Box 55549, Seattle, WA   98155-0549
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From hdung at lending4all.com  Thu Aug 30 01:06:49 2001
From: hdung at lending4all.com (Huy K Dung)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:06:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sendmail
Message-ID: <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F01AB91@elephant.lending4all.com>

Hi,

I followed the INSTALL and README.SENDMAIL instructions to install Mailman
2.0.6 on my Redhat 7.0. I have python version 1.5.2 release 27 and sendmail
8.11.0 release 8.

Everything seems to be okie. I can create a new list and the server sends me
information to access the list as well as the administration. I can subcribe
to it and the server sends back a confirmation request e-mail. However, when
I reply to the confirmation e-mail, nothing happens. It seems like the
server doesn't get the confirmation e-mail, but there is no delivery error
e-mail sent back. I also looks at the logs/subcribe file, I can see all of
the e-mail subcribed are still pending. Please help!!! I exhaust all my
resources and ideas but still can't make it work.


===========================
Huy K Dung
Lending4All, Inc.
hdung at lending4all.com
Work: (603) 635-9622
http://www.lending4all.com/
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From chris at longship.org  Wed Aug 29 11:50:46 2001
From: chris at longship.org (Chris Searle)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:50:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Possible CGI gid problem - but with just one script?
Message-ID: 

OK,

I've just installed mailman 2.0.6 - and everything seems to work
except for the admin cgi script - and only when a list name is passed
to the admin script.

I get internal server error and the httpd log says premature end of
script headers.

I have configured with --with-cgi-gid=48 where 48 is the gid of the
apache group, and all other scripts work fine.

check_perms gives no errors
check_db listname gives no errors

So - I can do everything except http://server/mailman/admin/listname

What may be of interest is that mailman is installed into the
webserver inside a virtual host that uses a perl/ticket (cookie based
login access) system. I also had to add

DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://virtual.host.name/mailman/'

in the mm_cfg.py file. (the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is set to 'host.name' -
that's correct for the mail - user at host.name, but the web interface
has to be within virtual.host.name - it's a CNAME for the same
machine).

I'm no python coder - and I've no idea where to go next - any ideas?

Thanks

-- 
Chris Searle



From kschlachter at burlybear.com  Thu Aug 30 00:00:22 2001
From: kschlachter at burlybear.com (Schlachter, Kristofer)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:00:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and slow sending to large list
Message-ID: <00A9913C3EC0D211889D0060082DBD879DD708@grizzly.broadwayvideo.com>

Hi,

The FAQ mentions that for poor sending performance "You need to turn off
synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host."
Well I don't know how to do that with sendmail and I couldn't find out how
on the web or in the archives of this list.  Can anyone tell me how to do
it? 

Further detail (for anyone interested):
I have mailman 2.0.6 running on a freebsd 4.3 box running sendmail 8.11.3. 
The smtp log has 104 messages going out every 50 minutes.
The machine sits behind a firewall that allows dns from the mailman server
to the dns server but is blocking all traffic that is not on port 53 from
the dns server to the mailman server.
I am a beginner at unix sys admin.
I am not spamming anyone, they opted into our mailing list.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kristofer Schlachter





From art at sigiltechnologies.com  Wed Aug 29 23:34:56 2001
From: art at sigiltechnologies.com (Anthony R. Thompson)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation correction
Message-ID: 

     On http://www.list.org/install-final.html under web server
configuration, you recommend:

ScriptAlias   /mailman/       $prefix/cgi-bin/
Exec          /mailman/*      $prefix/cgi-bin/*

     However, I'm using Apache and while the ScriptAlias line worked,
the Exec line caused an error ("Invalid command 'Exec', perhaps
mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server
configuration").  After some fiddling around, the following did work:

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"

    AllowOverride None
    Options ExecCGI
    Order allow,deny
    Allow from all


     I realize that the page says "Consult your web server's
documentation for details", but since the default advice seems to be
geared to Apache, and the default advice doesn't seem to work (at
least it didn't for me), I thought I'd send the correction.

     hope this helps,
     and thanks for putting together a great set of software!
     Anthony

-- 
Anthony R. Thompson - art at sigiltechnologies.com - 617.480.5722





From benwa at ocentrix.com  Thu Aug 30 01:16:34 2001
From: benwa at ocentrix.com (Ben Burnett)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:16:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F01AB91@elephant.lending4al
 l.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010829161415.03d84430@mail.ocentrix.com>

At 07:06 PM 8/29/2001 -0400, Huy K Dung wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I followed the INSTALL and README.SENDMAIL instructions to install Mailman 
>2.0.6 on my Redhat 7.0. I have python version 1.5.2 release 27 and 
>sendmail 8.11.0 release 8.
>
>Everything seems to be okie. I can create a new list and the server sends 
>me information to access the list as well as the administration. I can 
>subcribe to it and the server sends back a confirmation request e-mail. 
>However, when I reply to the confirmation e-mail, nothing happens. It 
>seems like the server doesn't get the confirmation e-mail, but there is no 
>delivery error e-mail sent back. I also looks at the logs/subcribe file, I 
>can see all of the e-mail subcribed are still pending. Please help!!! I 
>exhaust all my resources and ideas but still can't make it work.

Did you set up the crontab entries?
Did you manually add the list addresses to your /etc/aliases file AND run 
newaliases as root?

- Ben




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Aug 30 01:22:12 2001
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:22:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and slow sending to large list
In-Reply-To: <00A9913C3EC0D211889D0060082DBD879DD708@grizzly.broadwayvideo.com>
Message-ID: 

On 8/29/01 3:00 PM, "Schlachter, Kristofer" 
wrote:

> The FAQ mentions that for poor sending performance "You need to turn off
> synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host."
> Well I don't know how to do that with sendmail

I recently posted solutions to this, they're in the archives. It might be in
mailman-developers, but two or three ways to tweak sendmail have been
discussed.


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Internet Gnome 
[ =  = ]
Yes, yes, I've finally finished my home page. Lucky you.

Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen
asleep yet.








From jay at ampfea.org  Thu Aug 30 01:16:10 2001
From: jay at ampfea.org (jay vaughan)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:16:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache/mailman integration - Permissions/UID/GID?
In-Reply-To: 
 <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F01AB91@elephant.lending4all.com>
References: 
 <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F01AB91@elephant.lending4all.com>
Message-ID: 

Hiya,

I've just completed a full mailman installation on my server, and am 
having problems accessing the online archives at 
~mailman/archives/public/ ... I noticed that everything in there is 
owned mailman.mailman - whereas my httpd runs with nobody.nobody 
permissions ...

What to do: change httpd.conf to allow Apache to read mailmans' 
stuff, or set up mailman to belong to a 'nobody' group, or 
reconfigure the ~mailman/archives/public dir ownership?

Any advice?  I've checked the FAQ, it sorta hints at a solution, but 
I thought I'd check here too ...

-- 


j.

--
  jv - Jay Vaughan - seclorum at mac.com - jay at ampfea.org

  ~... threads rolling, keep the threads rolling ...~



From paul at coxcentral.com  Thu Aug 30 01:43:47 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:43:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms
In-Reply-To: ; from mchapman@doit.wisc.edu on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 15:27:08 -0500
References: 
Message-ID: <20010829184347.A19566@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Wednesday, Aug 29, 2001, Matthew Chapman wrote:

> I am running a Linux Mandrake 8.0 system with apache and sendmail.
> 
> I managed to get Mailman running, however for reasons I will not go into,
> I removed and restart the install from scratch - going back as far as to
> re-untar and recreate the mailman user (after userdel -r'ing)...
> 
> Now when I get to the step where i run check_perms, it gives me the
> following error:



Since you're using Mandrake 8.0, you're probably better off using the
Mailman .rpm (last updated and actually fixed by me =)   You can get it
from any 'cooker' mirror (file name mailman-2.0.5-3mdk.i586.rpm) or you
can download it from my site (ftp.coxcentral.com/pub/customrpms/mailman/).

I still need to update it for 2.0.6, but I just haven't got around to
it.  I'll try to do that ASAP (I'm also toying with the idea of an .rpm
for 2.1a2 for the few brave souls.. we'll see).  One thing you'll notice
is that it doesn't install in /home/mailman, but in /var/lib/mailman to
more compliant with FHS and the Mandrake way of doing things.  Also,
there is no mailman user and group necessary right now, as it's using
mail.mail.  That's because to be a Mandrake .rpm, it is required that
the package can build as a non-root user.  Since we would have to create
the user first, that's not a possiblity.  mail.mail already exists as
part of the core system, and no, there it is perfectly safe to do it
this way.  I hoping to get mailman.mailman as part of the core system,
but I haven't heard a response on that yet.  It'll work this way for
now. =)

Also, the .rpm assumes that you will be using Postfix (as that's the
Mandrake default MTA), so you will need to do some stuff manually since
you use sendmail (like adding the mailman and mailman-owner aliases).
You will also want to check your sendmail config to see what user it
delivers as to an external file or command.  Postfix defaults to nobody,
so I configured Mailman with --with-mail-gid=nobody.

I've attached to this the latest chagelog entry from the .rpm just in
case you're (or anyone else =) is interested.  This is how I'm running
Mailman, and it works perfectly. =)  Let me know if you have any
problems.


* Fri Jun 01 2001 Paul Cox  2.0.5-3mdk
  - Moved Mailman to /var/lib/mailman to be more compliant with FHS.
    (See archive of mdk-admin at 
    http://freezer-burn.org/archives/mdk-admin/ if you have questions
    about this.)
  - Changed --with-mail-gid and --with-cgi-gid to user names instead of
    user numbers in case they ever change.
  - Changed --with-mail-gid=nobody as that's how Postfix is setup by
    default (see default_privs in Postfix's main.cf).
  - Fixed upgrades (will not overwrite config files, etc.), and tweaked
    files section (added a 'BuildRequires: perl' as a result).
  - Made sure that bin/update runs in order to update any existing
    lists.
  - Fixed permissions.  Mailman will also try to fix its permissions on
    install.
  - Added mailman.conf for apache configuration (included into
    httpd.conf).
  - Install will now attempt to add the required aliases (Postfix only).
  - Removed mailman user addition (Mailman requires that whatever user and
    group is passed to the configure script to be the userid and groupid, so
    since we did --with-username=mail and --with-groupname=mail (so that we
    don't have to be root to build), creating a mailman user was not
    necessary).
  - Fixed crontab.in import.  Not in the right format to be simply put in
    /etc/cron.d, so we have to use crontab to import it (as user mail).
  - Removed obsolete LEIAME patch.
  - Changed URL back to the much nicer www.list.org mirror.
  - Lots and lots of macroization and countless other .spec file
    changes.


-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.7-12.3mdk  -  Uptime: 8 days 18 hours 59 minutes.



From hdung at lending4all.com  Thu Aug 30 02:13:58 2001
From: hdung at lending4all.com (Huy K Dung)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:13:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010829161415.03d84430@mail.ocentrix.com>
Message-ID: <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012877@elephant.lending4all.com>

below is the output I got from maillog file after I replied the confirmation
request e-mail. It seems to be normal to me. Can you see anything wrong?

Aug 29 19:15:02 mbogo sendmail[23306]: f7TNF2223306:
from=, size=4473, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012875 at elephant.lending4all.com>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=Daemon0, relay=www.newenglandmerchantscorp.com
[65.168.142.50]
Aug 29 19:15:03 mbogo sendmail[23307]: f7TNF2223306:
to="|/home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test",
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=33624, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Aug 29 19:15:14 mbogo sendmail[23310]: f7TNFE223310:
from=, size=1658, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012876 at elephant.lending4all.com>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=Daemon0, relay=www.newenglandmerchantscorp.com
[65.168.142.50]
Aug 29 19:15:14 mbogo sendmail[23311]: f7TNFE223310:
to="|/home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test",
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30809, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Burnett [mailto:benwa at ocentrix.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 07:17 PM
To: Huy K. Dung; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sendmail


At 07:06 PM 8/29/2001 -0400, Huy K Dung wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I followed the INSTALL and README.SENDMAIL instructions to install Mailman
>2.0.6 on my Redhat 7.0. I have python version 1.5.2 release 27 and
>sendmail 8.11.0 release 8.
>
>Everything seems to be okie. I can create a new list and the server sends
>me information to access the list as well as the administration. I can
>subcribe to it and the server sends back a confirmation request e-mail.
>However, when I reply to the confirmation e-mail, nothing happens. It
>seems like the server doesn't get the confirmation e-mail, but there is no
>delivery error e-mail sent back. I also looks at the logs/subcribe file, I
>can see all of the e-mail subcribed are still pending. Please help!!! I
>exhaust all my resources and ideas but still can't make it work.

Did you set up the crontab entries?
Did you manually add the list addresses to your /etc/aliases file AND run
newaliases as root?

- Ben
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From paul at coxcentral.com  Thu Aug 30 02:16:22 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:16:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms
In-Reply-To: <20010829184347.A19566@anne.coxcentral.com>; from paul@coxcentral.com on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 18:43:47 -0500
References:  <20010829184347.A19566@anne.coxcentral.com>
Message-ID: <20010829191622.D19566@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Wednesday, Aug 29, 2001, Paul Cox wrote:

> Since you're using Mandrake 8.0, you're probably better off using the
> Mailman .rpm (last updated and actually fixed by me =)   You can get it
> from any 'cooker' mirror (file name mailman-2.0.5-3mdk.i586.rpm) or you
> can download it from my site (ftp.coxcentral.com/pub/customrpms/mailman/).

I should point out that it'll be in the 'contrib' or RPMS2 directory.

> the user first, that's not a possiblity.  mail.mail already exists as
> part of the core system, and no, there it is perfectly safe to do it
> this way.  I hoping to get mailman.mailman as part of the core system,

That should be, 'and YES, is is perfectly safe to do it this way.'
Stupid defective keyboard. ;)

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.7-12.3mdk  -  Uptime: 8 days 19 hours 59 minutes.



From jobrooks at us.dhl.com  Thu Aug 30 02:15:30 2001
From: jobrooks at us.dhl.com (Jo Brooks)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:15:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks timestamped in the future?
References: <3B8D69FD.63D4E94@us.dhl.com>
Message-ID: <3B8D85A2.689887AD@us.dhl.com>

I'm going to reply to my own message, because I figured out part of
the problem, but not all of it.

The messages weren't being sent out because there appears to have 
been some sort of conflict/issue with between message archiving and
message delivery. 

I'd thought that I'd turned off archiving on the high traffic lists.
Turns out I was mistaken  :)  The only reason I found this was because
I searched for *lock* in all of /home/mailman, and found some in the
archives directory for this list.

The August archive for this particular list was at 23Mb and growing;
each new message was being posted to the archive, but not getting
mailed out to the list members; they were staying in qfiles.

Turns out this was also the cause of the admin webpages for this list
either being slow or timing out...once I repeatedly refused to take
"server not responding" for an answer and finally was able to turn
archiving off, the web page response began to improve, and all the
backlogged messages zipped on their merry way.

I still don't know what was/is causing the qrunner.lock file to be
timestamped tomorrow.

Are large archives a problem for mailman?  I'd thought there were 
many high traffic lists out there that would generate archives of
this size...or not?


jojo


> First, the particulars: Solaris 7, Python 2.1, mailman 2.0.6
> 
> I have recently encountered a very strange problem.  It started today.
> 
> First symptom, was that this one list wasn't sending out messages.
> Second symptom, I was no longer able to access the admin webpages.
> Sometimes I could log in and check the configs, most of the time I
> could not.  The pages would hang.
> 
> So I thought it was a permission problem, but check_perms said all
> was well.
> 
> As far as I can tell, this started sometime this morning, based on
> all the messages in the qfiles directory for this list.
> 
> After I went on to check the qrunner and the locks, I discovered
> something strange.  The timestamps in the lock directory are dated
> ahead of current time.
> 
> root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> date
> Wed Aug 29 14:44:01 MST 2001
> 
> root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> ls -l
> total 20
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 30  2001 qrunner.lock
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 30  2001
> qrunner.lock.lists.19707
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29  2001 nnnnn_staff.lock
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19707
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19757
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19771
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19785
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19798
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19801
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29  2001
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19871
> 
> I modified the timestamps manually, but....
> 
> root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> touch -am *
> root at lists:/home/mailman/locks #> ls -l
> total 20
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 29 14:44 qrunner.lock
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       44 Aug 29 14:44
> qrunner.lock.lists.19707
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44 nnnnn_staff.lock
> -rw-rw-r--   2 mailman  mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19707
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19757
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19771
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19785
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19798
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19801
> -rw-rw-r--   1 nobody   mailman       48 Aug 29 14:44
> nnnnn_staff.lock.lists.19871
> 
> but within a few minutes, the timestamps go out of whack again.
> 
> This list is the only one that's not working...all the other lists
> on this server (about 25) are behaving just fine.  And the qrunner
> does manage to continue to timestamp itself oddly.  And every now
> and then, I'll see a qrunner process that's several minutes old.
> I saw one earlier today that was several hours old.  Killing the
> hung qrunner doesn't seem to help much.
> 
> I'm tempted to remove the list and recreate it, but I don't know
> what that would do to the messages they've missed...if this causes
> the messages to be lost, I don't want to do that.
> 
> Any ideas?  This is quickly becoming urgent.
> 
> ----
> JoJo Brooks
> DHL Worldwide Express



From arif at cyber.net.pk  Thu Aug 30 02:36:18 2001
From: arif at cyber.net.pk (Syed Muhammad Arif)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 05:36:18 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem  with Netscape We Server
Message-ID: <3B8D8A82.3A72805B@cyber.net.pk>

Hi,
I installed mailman on my server running sun solaris 8 and netscape web
server 4.. and post office (email software ) on same server ... if any
one guide me where i can get the information for configuring mailman
with netscape web server and how can i integrate mailman with post
office ,, pls if some body have experience this pls help me

Regards
Arif




From sonamc at ce.com.au  Thu Aug 30 04:45:34 2001
From: sonamc at ce.com.au (Sonam Chauhan)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:45:34 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message body is too big
References: <999115759.1530.46.camel@smith.thedot.net>
Message-ID: <3B8DA8CE.95EBC94B@ce.com.au>

Hi Laurian - Did you change the max. mail size allowed
for that list in the admin page. 

If that didn't fix the problem, see if you have this problem:
--------------------------------------------------------
I've seen mailman belly-up when hit with a large volume 
of mails (which had large attachments) in a short period 
(e.g.: 450 emails, totalling 35 MB, in 5-10 minutes)
--------------------------------------------------------

In such cases, this worked for me:
--------------------------------------------------------
1- remove all mails from the offending queue. We have two options:
  a-  Clean out the qfiles directory (and lose all unprocessed mail)
  b-  Pick them and add them manually to the archives
      cat qfiles/*.msg > unprocessed_messages
      cat unprocessed_messages >>
archives/private/.mbox/.mbox

2- Remove all lockfiles (this may not be needed). 
     rm -f locks/*

3- Rebuild the public archives for that list
     bin/arch      
--------------------------------------------------------

Sonam
  



Laurian Gridinoc wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> After a bounce with:
> "Reason:  Message body is too big: 1841456 bytes but there's a limit of
> 512 KB"
> 
> all my lists are dead, ven if I rejected the mail as admin; all the
> mails come in by the wrapper, and no mail is sent.
> 
> I wiped the list with the original problem and recreated it from scratch
> but no help.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Laurian Gridinoc
> Chief Web Developer
> GRAPEFRUIT DESIGN
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ICQ:            73831683
> mobile:         +40 95 304379
> voice/fax:      (032) 233068 (Romania)
> voice/fax:      (646) 349-2916 (United States)
> voice/fax:      (0845) 127-5996 (UK)
> web:            www.grapefruitdesign.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Electronic Commerce
Corporate Express Australia Ltd.
Phone: +61-2-9335-0725 Fax: +61-2-9335-0753



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Thu Aug 30 07:53:31 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:53:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qrunner locks timestamped in the future?
In-Reply-To: <3B8D69FD.63D4E94@us.dhl.com>
References: <3B8D69FD.63D4E94@us.dhl.com>
Message-ID: <20010830075331.774bd079.ricardo@rixhq.nu>


On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:17:33 -0700
Jo Brooks  wrote:

> First symptom, was that this one list wasn't sending out messages.
> Second symptom, I was no longer able to access the admin webpages.
> Sometimes I could log in and check the configs, most of the time I
> could not.  The pages would hang.
> After I went on to check the qrunner and the locks, I discovered
> something strange.  The timestamps in the lock directory are dated 
> ahead of current time.
That's not a bug... it's a feature. Actually it's a 'dirty' trick of the
locking mechanism ;)
Anyway your problem is probably related to the locking... either one
mailman process (qrunner or the cgi's) died without removing a lockfile or
a qrunner process is still running, stuck on a message for some reason...
What I usually do in these situations is check if there isn't anything
running anymore and then remove all files in the lockdirectory.

If this doesn't help it could be hannging on one of the messages in qfiles
directory... I'd suggest moving them someplace else and checking them with
dumpdb... if there aren't that much you could put them back in pairs (.db
and .msg) and see on which it gets stuck (by temporarily disabling qrunner
in crontab and running it manually)

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Thu Aug 30 07:59:50 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 07:59:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] apache/mailman integration - Permissions/UID/GID?
In-Reply-To: 
References: <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F01AB91@elephant.lending4all.com>
	
Message-ID: <20010830075950.277e6271.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:16:10 -0700
jay vaughan  wrote:

> Hiya,
> 
> I've just completed a full mailman installation on my server, and am 
> having problems accessing the online archives at 
> ~mailman/archives/public/ ... I noticed that everything in there is 
> owned mailman.mailman - whereas my httpd runs with nobody.nobody 
> permissions ...
> What to do: change httpd.conf to allow Apache to read mailmans' 
> stuff, or set up mailman to belong to a 'nobody' group, or 
> reconfigure the ~mailman/archives/public dir ownership?

Apache doesn't need to "own" the files to be able to read them... as long
as they have world-readaccess that's enough (which they should if normally
installed)... the docs show how exactly you should setup the apache
config... you need to make an alias and make sure it allows executing of
cgi scripts in there... 
I'm not sure if calling it from http://hostname/~mailman/... would work
somehow... unless you move it to the public_html directory.

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Thu Aug 30 08:05:07 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 08:05:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation correction
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20010830080507.0803913d.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:34:56 -0700 (PDT)
"Anthony R. Thompson"  wrote:

>      On http://www.list.org/install-final.html under web server
> configuration, you recommend:
> ScriptAlias   /mailman/       $prefix/cgi-bin/
> Exec          /mailman/*      $prefix/cgi-bin/*
>      However, I'm using Apache and while the ScriptAlias line worked,
> the Exec line caused an error ("Invalid command 'Exec', perhaps
> mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server
> configuration"). 

You're right that it's incorrect... but it says "The line you should add
might look something like *one of the following*..." The first line is an
example for Apache and the second for another webserver -- I don't know
which.
I do agree that it could have been written more clearly.

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk  Thu Aug 30 13:58:02 2001
From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:58:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List administrator password -  help/feature request
Message-ID: <002601c1314b$05f89550$2614348f@cissys15>

Hi,

the support for administrator passwords doesn't seem as good as for standard list member passwords. 

1) On creating a list using newlist I can't see a way to enter more that one list admin. The only way around this seems to be to create the list and then use the web interface (or an edit and reload of the list config database).
Using this method means that the additional admin aren't notified automatically.

2) Changing the admin password does not result in a notification to all the admins. again we are forced to do this manually.

3) Is there a way to find out the admin password of a list from a command line option?  I have looked at a config database but can't see a reference to the admin password here.

Regards,

Ray Gardener
    
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From sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com  Thu Aug 30 15:35:18 2001
From: sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com (sda at cj821843-a.dlcty1.va.home.com)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:35:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and slow sending to large list
In-Reply-To: <00A9913C3EC0D211889D0060082DBD879DD70A@grizzly.broadwayvideo.com>; from kschlachter@burlybear.com on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:22:44PM -0500
References: <00A9913C3EC0D211889D0060082DBD879DD70A@grizzly.broadwayvideo.com>
Message-ID: <20010830093518.A24058@dustpuppy.dlcty1.va.home.com>

Kristofer, 
Take a look at this http://www.sendmail.org/tips/private-dns/. Your
problem could be the reverse look ups that the server is trying to
do. If you add the machines to the /etc/hosts files and configure the
/etc/nsswitch.conf to do files before dns that should clear up that problem.

The other problem... Let me get this straight. The mailman server is
sitting behind the firewall and the dns server is on the other side? What
is blocking the port? The firewall or the DNS server. can you route the
mail to antohre machine that you can use as a smarthost? Give me a better
idea on the layout of the firewall, dns server and mailman server.

- Scott 

On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 05:22:44PM -0500, Schlachter, Kristofer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The FAQ mentions that for poor sending performance "You need to turn off
> synchronous DNS resolution for messages originating from the local host."
> Well I don't know how to do that with sendmail and I couldn't find out how
> on the web or in the archives of this list.  Can anyone tell me how to do
> it? 
> 
> Further detail (for anyone interested):
> I have mailman 2.0.6 running on a freebsd 4.3 box running sendmail 8.11.3. 
> The smtp log has 104 messages going out every 50 minutes.
> The machine sits behind a firewall that allows dns from the mailman server
> to the dns server but is blocking all traffic that is not on port 53 from
> the dns server to the mailman server.
> I am a beginner at unix sys admin.
> I am not spamming anyone, they opted into our mailing list.
> 
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Kristofer Schlachter
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From kschlachter at burlybear.com  Thu Aug 30 18:28:30 2001
From: kschlachter at burlybear.com (Schlachter, Kristofer)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:28:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and slow sending to large list
Message-ID: <00A9913C3EC0D211889D0060082DBD879DD70F@grizzly.broadwayvideo.com>

Scott,

Thanks for replying. I hope that I didn't write too much.

Some more info:
I have a cabinet at a co-location facility(Globix) where I host a website.  
I have a firewall(managed by ISS) in my cabinet and the all my machines are
behind it.  
I am using Globix's dns servers which are on the other side of my firewall.
I should mention that currently the mailman server does not have an mx
record. It will eventually, but I am only sending mail out to a group of
people who subscribed to a newsletter.  They can unsubscribe through a web
page. How bad is this for performance?

> Kristofer, 
> Your problem could be the reverse look ups that the server is trying to
> do. If you add the machines to the /etc/hosts files and configure the
> /etc/nsswitch.conf to do files before dns that should clear 
> up that problem.
I am using public IP's for all my machines, is it still possible that this
could be a problem?

> The other problem... Let me get this straight. The mailman server is
> sitting behind the firewall and the dns server is on the 
> other side? 
That is correct.  

> What is blocking the port? The firewall or the DNS server.
Firewall.

> can you route the mail to antohre machine that you can use as a smarthost?
I don't know what smarthost is.  Would putting BIND on the mailman machine
be a good idea?  I am thinking about it.

> Give me a better idea on the layout of the firewall, dns server and
mailman server.
The rulebase on my firewall(A managed firewall running Checkpoint Firewall-1
on Nokia Hardware)allows the mailman to talk to the dns servers on port 53
with udp and tcp packets.  The rule only goes one way: from the mailman
server to the dns server.  I think that there is something wrong with my
setup though.  I keep getting lots of dropped packets from the dns server
trying to talk to my mailman server on ports in the 1000-5000 range
ascending by one port each try.  That shouldn't happen as the firewall
should be aware of what ports my mailman server used to connect with(I
think).

Thanks,

Kristofer Schlachter



From yahna at boulder.vni.com  Thu Aug 30 19:06:12 2001
From: yahna at boulder.vni.com (Matt Yahna)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:06:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with admin email address
Message-ID: 

In the page /mailman/listinfo, there is a line that says "(Send qeustions or
comments to mailman-owner at domain.), however on my system, it says
"mailman-owner at machinename).  Where do I change this?  I changed the
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py to our domain, but it doesn't change.  Does
anyone know where this is set?

Thanks for the help.

- Matt

Signed By:
Matt Yahna
MCSE, MCP+I
Senior Network Analyst
Visual Numerics

Visual Numerics Celebrates 30 Years
As an Independent Software Vendor

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From hdung at lending4all.com  Thu Aug 30 19:30:00 2001
From: hdung at lending4all.com (Huy K Dung)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:30:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sendmail
In-Reply-To: <20010829205409.C2848@atg.com>
Message-ID: <5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012878@elephant.lending4all.com>

Aug 29 12:27:32 mbogo crontab[24805]: (mailman) REPLACE (mailman)

that's the line i see in the messages file in the /var/log. there is nothing
in the error file in $prefix/var/mailman/logs directory. what is qrunner?

====

below is the output I got from maillog file after I replied the confirmation
request e-mail. It seems to be normal to me but my e-mail is still pending
in teh subcribe file in $prefix/var/mailman/logs directory. Can you see
anything wrong?

Aug 29 19:15:02 mbogo sendmail[23306]: f7TNF2223306:
from=, size=4473, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012875 at elephant.lending4all.com>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=Daemon0, relay=www.newenglandmerchantscorp.com
[65.168.142.50]
Aug 29 19:15:03 mbogo sendmail[23307]: f7TNF2223306:
to="|/home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test",
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=33624, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Aug 29 19:15:14 mbogo sendmail[23310]: f7TNFE223310:
from=, size=1658, class=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<5C38335DABC6954E89D7DBC373E1063F012876 at elephant.lending4all.com>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=Daemon0, relay=www.newenglandmerchantscorp.com
[65.168.142.50]
Aug 29 19:15:14 mbogo sendmail[23311]: f7TNFE223310:
to="|/home/mailman/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test",
ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30809, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan V. Patwardhan [mailto:npatwardhan at atg.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 08:54 PM
To: Huy K. Dung
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Sendmail


Are you sure that you enabled crontab.in for your mailman user?  Is
qrunner stuck?  Anything in your $prefix/var/mailman/logs files?

--
Nate Patwardhan, Unix Administration Manager
Art Technology Group
npatwardhan at atg.com
********************************************
$ ping elvis
elvis is alive
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From will at willspc.net  Thu Aug 30 20:35:36 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:35:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface for adding lists.
Message-ID: <01c101c13182$902b2260$6701d50a@mackerel>

Hi,

I did some archive browsing today and found lots of differing answers regarding a web interface for creating new lists.

Todd Pfaff gave some good detail about adding an aliases file within the mailman directory long ago 1999/2000

I tried his suggestion.  I have the 3 aliases files created in my mailman directory.  (aliases, aliases.dir, aliases.pag).  I have the ownership & permissions set as he suggested in 


http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-December/002918.html
and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-July/001837.html

I have a few problems though... when I do the 
./bin/newlist listname owner-email-address password 1 | tail +4 > aliases newaliases

as he suggests, it balks at newaliases.  if I'm running as mailman, it gives a permission denied error.  If I run as root, it balks and gives a 
WARNING: Group writable directory /home/mailman
newaliases: cannot open /home/mailman/aliases: Group writable file

Please help.

I'm trying to set it up so I don't have to add lists for everyone.

--Will Nordmeyer

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From yahna at boulder.vni.com  Thu Aug 30 20:36:35 2001
From: yahna at boulder.vni.com (Matt Yahna)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:36:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface for adding lists.
Message-ID: 

This is a sendmail issue.  You need to put an option in your sendmail.cf as
follows:
 
O DontBlameSendmail=groupwritabledirpathsafe,groupwritableforwardfilesafe,
groupwritableincludefilesafe,includefileingroupwritabledirpath,includefilein
unsafedirpathsafe
 
Keep in mind that this is overriding file safeties and can compromise system
security.
 
You may not need all of the previous options, you may want to try each one
and see what works for better security.  There may be an option that just
tells Sendmail that it is a safe file for that file only.
 
- Matt
 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Will Nordmeyer [mailto:will at willspc.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:36 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface for adding lists.



Hi,
 
I did some archive browsing today and found lots of differing answers
regarding a web interface for creating new lists.
 
Todd Pfaff gave some good detail about adding an aliases file within the
mailman directory long ago 1999/2000
 
I tried his suggestion.  I have the 3 aliases files created in my mailman
directory.  (aliases, aliases.dir, aliases.pag).  I have the ownership &
permissions set as he suggested in 
 
 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-December/002918.html
 
and
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-July/001837.html
 
 
I have a few problems though... when I do the 
./bin/newlist listname owner-email-address password 1 | tail +4 > aliases
newaliases
 
as he suggests, it balks at newaliases.  if I'm running as mailman, it gives
a permission denied error.  If I run as root, it balks and gives a 
WARNING: Group writable directory /home/mailman
newaliases: cannot open /home/mailman/aliases: Group writable file
 
Please help.
 
I'm trying to set it up so I don't have to add lists for everyone.
 
--Will Nordmeyer


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From will at willspc.net  Thu Aug 30 22:33:01 2001
From: will at willspc.net (Will Nordmeyer)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:33:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] aliases not being added to system.
Message-ID: <027301c13192$f7cf2aa0$6701d50a@mackerel>

OK... I'm past my last hurdle... thanks to those who answered...

Here's my current headache.  

I'm running mailman on a Cobalt RAQ 3, with Linux 6.x.
I manually add the entries to the aliases file.  I run newaliases, everything appears to work fine.  But, the usernames for the mailing list aren't added to the virtual user table (/etc/virtusertable).

I shutdown & restart sendmail, but the entries still aren't added.  So no mail goes through...  What am I doing wrong?
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From sevaka at vnet.net  Wed Aug 29 17:43:22 2001
From: sevaka at vnet.net (Christopher Stark)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:43:22 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] server q
Message-ID: <001401c130a1$56d608e0$1e0244c0@max2000>

Hi,
Can Mailman be installed onto my Hosted Server.
I do not have a dedicated server, only FTP to my space on their server.
I  don't have access to the root of that server.

Thank you,
Christopher Stark

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From gilchris at realmarket.com  Wed Aug 29 22:51:15 2001
From: gilchris at realmarket.com (Andrew Gilchrist)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:51:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
Message-ID: 

How do I send a message to my list using Mailman?

Andy





From paul at cluefactory.org.uk  Thu Aug 30 17:32:00 2001
From: paul at cluefactory.org.uk (Paul Crowley)
Date: 30 Aug 2001 16:32:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman privacy and authentication
Message-ID: <87g0a91s3z.fsf@saltationism.subnet.hedonism.cluefactory.org.uk>

I'm not subscribed to mailman-users; the www.list.org front page seems
to indicate that it's still OK for me to post to this list.  I'll try
and follow any discussion in the archives, but if people could copy me
in directly I'd be most grateful.

=== Important bit ===

I'm using Mailman 1.1 to manage the announcement mailing list for a
sexuality related event (Bicon 2002).  This means that the list of
subscribers has to be kept secure.  I've switched off the ability of
non-administrators to view the subscriber list.  However, the web
interface makes it easy to test whether a particular email address is
subscribed, and to view their subscription options.

Is there a way around this?  Maybe I can configure things differently,
or newer versions of Mailman address this, or there's a patch?

=== Rambling discussion bit ===

Here's some elements of the way I'd love Mailman authentication to
work.  Please excuse the strange mix of tenses.

(1) You should need the password to see your user options page, not
just to change options.  This means the "forgotten my password" dialog
needs to be separate; I think it belongs elsewhere anyway.

(2) Like a Unix login, you should get the same behaviour from entering
an unknown email address as you do from a wrong password.

(3) If you click on the "forgotten my password" link and you never had
one, Mailman silently generates you a new one before telling you the
password has been mailed to you; the mail you receive tells you what
happened while giving you the password.

(4) In fact, I'd prefer if Mailman usually generated my passwords.
When I subscribe to a new list, I'd rather just enter my email in the
box and press "submit", and get the password in the "confirm" email;
or, for lists that don't ask for "confirm", in the "welcome" email.  I
can always change it later, after all.

I think these would be good too, but I'm not so sure.

(5) Passwords should be per-site, not per-list.

(6) Mailman-generated passwords should be more than four characters
long.

If all this has been gone over a hundred times, my apologies!
-- 
  __  Paul Crowley
\/ o\ sig at paul.cluefactory.org.uk
/\__/ http://www.cluefactory.org.uk/paul/
"Conservation of angular momentum makes the world go around" - John Clark



From jacob at siliconmetrics.com  Thu Aug 30 22:02:35 2001
From: jacob at siliconmetrics.com (Jacob Brown)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] AutoResponder Sending from wrong email address.
Message-ID: <3B8E9BDB.3B3CCF74@siliconmetrics.com>

Hello, I'm running mailman-2.0beta5.
I have setup a mailing list that has an autoresponder.
When some one sends a message to the list, the autoresponder sends a
mail from the list-admin at whatever instead of just list at whatever.
When they reply to the autoresponds, it goes to the list-admin instead
of the list ! :(
Is there a way I can fix this or set a ReplyTo: list at whatever  ?
I've tried looking at the source code but couldn't find any of the
autoresponder code (except the cgi-bin web script).
Please copy me on any replies since I'm not on this mailing list.

Thanks a lot,
Jacob Brown
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From matthias at astrum.ch  Thu Aug 30 23:32:02 2001
From: matthias at astrum.ch (Matthias Leisi)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:32:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply_goes_to_list, reply_to_address, "Submit" from webinterface
Message-ID: <20010830233202.X12456@hub.net.astrum.ch>

Hi,

I'm having a problem which I can't seem to solve for myself. The setup:

 * Mailman 2.0.6
 * Apache 1.3.19

Setting up Mailman was easy, administration via the webinterface works, and
I can send mails to list members without problems. But, I can't seem to
_save_ any changes to reply_goes_to_list and reply_to_address in a
consistent manner.

The list ist test at lists.astrum.ch:

 * When I set reply_goes_to_list to "This list", Reply-To: in outgoing 
   mails gets set to "test at astrum.ch". 
 * When I set reply_goes_to_list is set to "Explicit address", the field
   "Explicit Reply-To:-Header" as entered there is not the same as in the
   Reply-To:-Header being set in outgoing mails.

E.g., I set "foo at lists.astrum.ch" to be put in Reply-To:, but still
"test at astrum.ch" is being put in the outgoing mails. 

/Sometimes/, I can't save the content of the "Explicit Reply-To-Header"-
field; when I try to empty it and press "Submit", it pops up with the same
content as before (it does not seem to be a problem with the browser, as I
tested with Mozilla 0.9.3 and Lynx 2.8.3dev9.

Any ideas?

Thank you,
Matthias



From a.balmashnov at tue.nl  Fri Aug 31 16:06:43 2001
From: a.balmashnov at tue.nl (A.Balmashnov)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:06:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to mantain umbrella list
Message-ID: <19926716636.20010831160643@tue.nl>

Hello all,

Problem: I have two groups of peoples sibscribed to two different mail
lists (each mail list for users posts only). Let say it is L1 and L2.

I would like to build a common list L consisting of lists L1 and L2
and, probably, some amount of other subscribers. I heard about the
umbrella-lists, but I can not configure my new list in propper way.

What I want from the new list L:

1. Only peoples from the lists L1, L2 and list L itself can post
messages to this list.

2. There is no need for administrator to confirm postings from members to
either list L, L1 or L2 (now I have problems with delivering mail
posted to list L to other lists, because of "Reason:  Message has
implicit destination")

Is it possible to configure all this lists in such a way?

Thanks in advance.

--
Best regards,
 A.Balmashnov                          mailto:a.balmashnov at tue.nl




From blair at www-hosting.net  Fri Aug 31 02:34:51 2001
From: blair at www-hosting.net (Blair Potter)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:34:51 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the default  welcome message
Message-ID: 

Hi, I have a client who wants to change the default welcome 
message so has to remove the section about posting to the list as 
it is a newsletter list that requires no posting from users, 

Regards
Blair

Blair Potter
Web Hosting Network
http://www.www-hosting.net



From arandall at auntminnie.com  Fri Aug 31 18:12:24 2001
From: arandall at auntminnie.com (Amanda)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:12:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms
References:  <20010829184347.A19566@anne.coxcentral.com>
Message-ID: <3B8FB768.FD54FAC0@auntminnie.com>

Odd. My 'drake 8 box won't install from an RPM to save its little furry life,
but I built Mailman (and everything else) from the tarball, and it's working
fine. ::shrug::

Of course, that didn't stop me from building a separate Mailman machine on RH7.1
for our actual production server...


=)
Amanda


Paul Cox wrote:

> On Wednesday, Aug 29, 2001, Matthew Chapman wrote:
>
> > I am running a Linux Mandrake 8.0 system with apache and sendmail.
> >
> > I managed to get Mailman running, however for reasons I will not go into,
> > I removed and restart the install from scratch - going back as far as to
> > re-untar and recreate the mailman user (after userdel -r'ing)...
> >
> > Now when I get to the step where i run check_perms, it gives me the
> > following error:
>
> 
>
> Since you're using Mandrake 8.0, you're probably better off using the
> Mailman .rpm (last updated and actually fixed by me =)   You can get it
> from any 'cooker' mirror (file name mailman-2.0.5-3mdk.i586.rpm) or you
> can download it from my site (ftp.coxcentral.com/pub/customrpms/mailman/).
>
> I still need to update it for 2.0.6, but I just haven't got around to
> it.  I'll try to do that ASAP (I'm also toying with the idea of an .rpm
> for 2.1a2 for the few brave souls.. we'll see).  One thing you'll notice
> is that it doesn't install in /home/mailman, but in /var/lib/mailman to
> more compliant with FHS and the Mandrake way of doing things.  Also,
> there is no mailman user and group necessary right now, as it's using
> mail.mail.  That's because to be a Mandrake .rpm, it is required that
> the package can build as a non-root user.  Since we would have to create
> the user first, that's not a possiblity.  mail.mail already exists as
> part of the core system, and no, there it is perfectly safe to do it
> this way.  I hoping to get mailman.mailman as part of the core system,
> but I haven't heard a response on that yet.  It'll work this way for
> now. =)
>
> Also, the .rpm assumes that you will be using Postfix (as that's the
> Mandrake default MTA), so you will need to do some stuff manually since
> you use sendmail (like adding the mailman and mailman-owner aliases).
> You will also want to check your sendmail config to see what user it
> delivers as to an external file or command.  Postfix defaults to nobody,
> so I configured Mailman with --with-mail-gid=nobody.
>
> I've attached to this the latest chagelog entry from the .rpm just in
> case you're (or anyone else =) is interested.  This is how I'm running
> Mailman, and it works perfectly. =)  Let me know if you have any
> problems.
>
> * Fri Jun 01 2001 Paul Cox  2.0.5-3mdk
>   - Moved Mailman to /var/lib/mailman to be more compliant with FHS.
>     (See archive of mdk-admin at
>     http://freezer-burn.org/archives/mdk-admin/ if you have questions
>     about this.)
>   - Changed --with-mail-gid and --with-cgi-gid to user names instead of
>     user numbers in case they ever change.
>   - Changed --with-mail-gid=nobody as that's how Postfix is setup by
>     default (see default_privs in Postfix's main.cf).
>   - Fixed upgrades (will not overwrite config files, etc.), and tweaked
>     files section (added a 'BuildRequires: perl' as a result).
>   - Made sure that bin/update runs in order to update any existing
>     lists.
>   - Fixed permissions.  Mailman will also try to fix its permissions on
>     install.
>   - Added mailman.conf for apache configuration (included into
>     httpd.conf).
>   - Install will now attempt to add the required aliases (Postfix only).
>   - Removed mailman user addition (Mailman requires that whatever user and
>     group is passed to the configure script to be the userid and groupid, so
>     since we did --with-username=mail and --with-groupname=mail (so that we
>     don't have to be root to build), creating a mailman user was not
>     necessary).
>   - Fixed crontab.in import.  Not in the right format to be simply put in
>     /etc/cron.d, so we have to use crontab to import it (as user mail).
>   - Removed obsolete LEIAME patch.
>   - Changed URL back to the much nicer www.list.org mirror.
>   - Lots and lots of macroization and countless other .spec file
>     changes.
>
> --
> Paul Cox 
> Kernel: 2.4.7-12.3mdk  -  Uptime: 8 days 18 hours 59 minutes.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From paul at coxcentral.com  Fri Aug 31 18:32:56 2001
From: paul at coxcentral.com (Paul Cox)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:32:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms
In-Reply-To: <3B8FB768.FD54FAC0@auntminnie.com>; from arandall@auntminnie.com on Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:12:24 -0700
References:  <20010829184347.A19566@anne.coxcentral.com> <3B8FB768.FD54FAC0@auntminnie.com>
Message-ID: <20010831113256.A6556@anne.coxcentral.com>

On Friday, Aug 31, 2001, Amanda wrote:

> Odd. My 'drake 8 box won't install from an RPM to save its little furry life,
> but I built Mailman (and everything else) from the tarball, and it's working
> fine. ::shrug::

Have you tried rebuilding the rpm database ('rpm --rebuilddb')?

-- 
Paul Cox 
Kernel: 2.4.7-12.3mdk  -  Uptime: 10 days 12 hours 16 minutes.



From spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv  Fri Aug 31 19:10:18 2001
From: spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv (spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation Problems
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010831120222.00a932f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>

I have 4 mailing lists on two different domains and even though I have it 
set not to ask me to confirm each message, it even makes me confirm my own 
messages, and my address is even in the list to allow me to send messages 
without confirmation.  This tells me there's something wrong with the 
thing.  I'm gone sometimes for a week at a time and I can't have the 
mailing lists all come to a stop because of this.  Not only that it delays 
all the messages going through it by about a day even when I am here.

I have watched the mailing list as time permits here but have yet to see 
anyone else address this problem.  Am I the only one who has this problem ?

I have asked 3 or 4 times for help with this but no one has responded.  I 
asked my webmaster to take a look at it but he has not responded yet, so 
I'm asking again for help.

Why does it do this ?  How can I fix it ?

Thanks.

...Bryon




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Fri Aug 31 19:15:48 2001
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo F. Kustner)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:15:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirmation Problems
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010831120222.00a932f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>
References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010831120222.00a932f0@pop3.norton.antivirus>
Message-ID: <20010831191548.409fa916.ricardo@rixhq.nu>

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:10:18 -0500
"spookyplaces at loosecanon.tv"  wrote:

> I have 4 mailing lists on two different domains and even though I have
> it 
> set not to ask me to confirm each message, it even makes me confirm my
> own 
> messages, and my address is even in the list to allow me to send
> messages 
> without confirmation. 

What is the exact reason the admin page gives why the posting have been
held for approval? If you mention this I think we will be able to tell you
how you could solve the problem...

-- 
Regards,

Ricardo




From chris123 at magma.ca  Fri Aug 31 21:50:43 2001
From: chris123 at magma.ca (Chris Herrnberger)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:50:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nubie install question
Message-ID: <20010831185109.ZPBU4874.femail40.sdc1.sfba.home.com@there>

Greetings all:

Installed the latest version of mailman and all works fairly well. Upon 
creating the described test list and subscribing to the same list generates 
the following error message:


Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)
554 5.3.0 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2

System is SuSE 7.2 workstation running python 2.0 with latest mailman 
tarball. The check perm program reports no errors, hence Im thinking this 
must be an MTA issue with is a stock SuSE sendmail install.

All other components appear to be working at this time. Any advise as to how 
and where I can sort this error out would be appreciated.

Best and thanks

Chris Herrnberger



From jperez at tripos.com  Fri Aug 31 20:46:19 2001
From: jperez at tripos.com (John Perez)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:46:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
Message-ID: <3B8FDB7B.B84BA4C1@tripos.com>

Hello,

I am working on a project for my company in which a group of people will
be sending email that needs to be sent to the rest of the group (typical
mail list).  However, I need my members to be able to send emails with
attachments, so the the email, with attachments can be viewed, archived,
et...  Will Mailman allow me to use attachments?

Thanks,
John




From s864107 at mail.yzu.edu.tw  Fri Aug 24 05:43:04 2001
From: s864107 at mail.yzu.edu.tw (Chen Yung-Mu)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:43:04 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install mailman with postfix question
Message-ID: <001901c12c4e$e4741a90$6b00000a@armor>

Hi all ,

    I install mailman on my Mandrake 8.0 , and follow the Install doc in
mailman package , step by step.
But now when I send mail to maillist , it only receive on the aliases
account. I ask my friend , he said that I must use a filter , but a still
don't understand what I must setup ?




From info at al-islam.or.id  Fri Aug 31 05:10:06 2001
From: info at al-islam.or.id (info al-islam)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:10:06 +0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] what's wrong to my milist?
Message-ID: <000c01c131ca$7061d8a0$582d9fca@sightseeing>

I want to ask you about my milist in domain al-islam.or.id, address is: Alislam at al-islam.or.id.
I cant post any messages, it turn to be a junk mail which is flooding our subscriber (the sender was: mailman at serveranda.com) floods til 4000 letters in 2 days!

please tell me what's going on?


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