From bug at aphid.net Wed Mar 1 00:02:41 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:02:41 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Proxy Problems Message-ID: <20000301100241.B3517@buggy.aphid.net> Hi there, I had a number of problems when initially using mailman due to the cache hierarchy that I go through to access the web. I'm not sure if this has been discussed but I'll explain the problem anyway. The problem was that as I went through the Mailman admin site, the proxy which made the request would change almost every page I loaded. So, for example, if I was editing preferences then tried to press Save I would be returned to the password entry page. The annoying thing was that I could get it to work by submitting the form as many times until I got the same cache and things worked ok. I fixed the problem for the time being by changing my proxy to be one further up the hierarchy so it would be the same every time. This isn't really a long term solution though. My ISP cache hierarchy goes like this: remote webserver ^ | | connect.com.au caches - there are at least two on some sort of load balancing mechanism ^ | | my ISP's cache (just one at the moment) ^ | | my netscape What session tracking does mailman do that causes these problems? Cookies or what? Is there any setting to alleviate the symptoms? Or additional coding that needs to be done? This is a very annoying problem for new users and I know that a number of ISPs, at least in Oz, use a similar hierarchy as connect.com have a big customer base and big cache. Thanks for your time, Chuck From nathan at robotics.net Wed Mar 1 00:08:04 2000 From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:08:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.error Message-ID: Feb 29 17:30:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To nathan at robotics.net: Feb 29 17:30:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / host not found (deferred) Feb 29 17:30:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting? Anyone know how to fix this? All my lists have been down for 2 weeks. ><> Nathan Stratton nathan at robotics.net http://www.robotics.net From robin at alldunn.com Wed Mar 1 00:07:38 2000 From: robin at alldunn.com (Robin Dunn) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:07:38 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic bouce Message-ID: <02fd01bf8309$c65951f0$1a25d2d1@jenkondev.com> I started up a couple mailman lists on Sunday, with about 600 total subscribers. Since then I have gotten around 450 bounce messages that don't seem to be handled by the automatic bounce processor in Mailman. Is there a way to teach Mailman about these messages so it handles them automatically? (I checked the archives about this and although I found some threads discussing it there didn't seem to be any resolution that I could find...) Please help! -- Robin Dunn Software Craftsman robin at AllDunn.com http://AllDunn.com/robin/ http://AllDunn.com/wxPython/ Check it out! From kirtg at corporatemis.com Wed Mar 1 06:20:10 2000 From: kirtg at corporatemis.com (Kirt Ginner) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:20:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing data into a mailman listserv Message-ID: <000801bf833d$d1499f50$0301a8c0@wsnt40> What is the best way to import a text delimited file into a mailman listserv? Thanks, Kirt Ginner kirtg at corporatemis.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps you mistyped the name of the SMTP host. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb Life is like sendmail: you're not sure you know how to handle it, but you know it'll end in tears. -- Malcolm Ray -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 376 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000301/62f85eb9/attachment.pgp From jwt at dskk.co.jp Wed Mar 1 08:42:08 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:42:08 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic bouce In-Reply-To: <02fd01bf8309$c65951f0$1a25d2d1@jenkondev.com>; from robin@alldunn.com on Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 03:07:38PM -0800 References: <02fd01bf8309$c65951f0$1a25d2d1@jenkondev.com> Message-ID: <20000301164208.B17500@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 03:07:38PM -0800, Robin Dunn wrote: > I started up a couple mailman lists on Sunday, with about 600 total > subscribers. Since then I have gotten around 450 bounce messages that don't > seem to be handled by the automatic bounce processor in Mailman. Is there a > way to teach Mailman about these messages so it handles them automatically? The CVS version of Mailman seems to be considerably better at bounce handling than the earlier versions. Even better, in addition to the bounce formats it already understands, it is cleaner to add new modules to catch other bounces. Jim -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.org/crew/jwt/ From gerrit at nl.linux.org Wed Mar 1 08:47:56 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:47:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic bouce In-Reply-To: <02fd01bf8309$c65951f0$1a25d2d1@jenkondev.com>; from robin@alldunn.com on Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 03:07:38PM -0800 References: <02fd01bf8309$c65951f0$1a25d2d1@jenkondev.com> Message-ID: <20000301084756.B25444@nl.linux.org> > I started up a couple mailman lists on Sunday, with about 600 total > subscribers. Since then I have gotten around 450 bounce messages that don't > seem to be handled by the automatic bounce processor in Mailman. Is there a > way to teach Mailman about these messages so it handles them automatically? Were those bounces on the mailinglist or on the -owner addrs? Mailman sends all bounces to the -owner addrs because it's possible Mailman accidently declares a non-bounce message as a bounce. You'll need to dive into the code to to this. > (I checked the archives about this and although I found some threads > discussing it there didn't seem to be any resolution that I could find...) > > Please help! The Mailman 1.2 beta is a lot better at this than Mailman 1.1 is. In Mailman 1.2b1 (latest CVS snapshot, ran by www.python.org), there is a directory in the distribution, called Mailman/Bouncers. You will see a couple of modules there, all with a 'process' function. The BouncerAPI modules will 'pipe' all email to those functions, returning either a list of bouncing addrs or None. You can add a module this way: 1) Create a module called Zmailer (for example), with a 'process' function. That function should return either a list of all bounced messages in an email or None and it takes an instance of mimetools. This 'process' function takes two arguments; the former is an instance of the MailList class, the latter is an instance of the mimetools.Message class. 2) Go to the pipeline list on lines 37-44 in Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py, 3) Add the name of your module there. 4) Post the result at mailman-developers at python.org ;). Note that this is all Mailman 1.2b1! Hope this helps! regards, Gerrit. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From jwt at dskk.co.jp Wed Mar 1 09:56:06 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:56:06 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman: moved from one host to another, archiver now broken In-Reply-To: <20000228052254.BDEEF22@mail.netlojix.com>; from frank@netlojix.com on Sun, Feb 27, 2000 at 09:22:54PM -0800 References: <20000228052254.BDEEF22@mail.netlojix.com> Message-ID: <20000301175606.A17872@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Sun, Feb 27, 2000 at 09:22:54PM -0800, Frank Dziuba wrote: > moved mailman from one host to another. Now the archiver is broken. It thinks > the archives for the lists are supposed to go into > > /usr/user3/u/m/mailman... > > but the new machine they are supposed to be in > > /home/mailman... > > I can't seem to find a way to change the directory for an _existing_ list. The paths are stored in the 'config.db' of each mailing list. A little bit of Python and the bin/withlist tool will let you modify your lists. Barry Warsaw provided a recipe a few months back: http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-August/001980.html -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.org/crew/jwt/ From jcrey at uma.es Wed Mar 1 10:44:14 2000 From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:44:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.error References: Message-ID: <38BCE66E.8A3507DB@uma.es> Nathan Stratton wrote: > > Feb 29 17:30:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To nathan at robotics.net: > Feb 29 17:30:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / host not found > (deferred) > Feb 29 17:30:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs > restarting? > > Anyone know how to fix this? All my lists have been down for 2 weeks. ?Have you updated DNS? Something similar happened to me. In my organization updated DNS to a new version, so asking localhost in DNS doesn't resolve now. I had in my Defaults.py: SMTPHOST = 'localhost' because I have in the same machine mailing lists and mail server. I changed SMTPHOST = 'canonical.name.of.smtp.server' and then it worked!, it was very hard to find the bug :-( Try it and tell if it has worked Cheers -- ___ / F \ [[[]]]] ( O O ) #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------# | Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es) | | Servicio Central de inform?tica | | Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a | #----------------------------------------------# # Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| # #----------------------------------------------# From blurr at txraves.org Wed Mar 1 16:02:05 2000 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Postmaster notify: Local configuration error - Host name this list prefers? Message-ID: <006e01bf838f$3f1bed20$362518d0@jordan> i get this error every time mailman sends out the password reminders. "Host name this list prefers." for all the lists on this box used to be www.txraves.org and the server -did- accept mail for the host name back then. but i have since changed that option to just txraves.org and removed www.txraves.org from the sendmail configuration so that it won't process mail for that host name(ie. blurr at www.txraves.org) even though i've changed "Host name this list prefers" for all the lists over to just txraves.org its still using the old value when sending out reminders and choking. is there somewhere else in the mailman configuration as a whole, or for each list, that i have overlooked? how do i get rid of this old host name that isn't valid any more? --- -] jordan -] blurr at txraves.org -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr . .. ... s p r e a d t h a v i b e ... .. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:00 AM Subject: Postmaster notify: Local configuration error > The original message was received at Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:00:22 -0600 > from localhost > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 553 www.txraves.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) > 554 ... Local configuration error > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from localhost (localhost) > by crackpipe.txraves.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with internal id FAA15269; > Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:00:22 -0600 > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:00:22 -0600 > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > Message-Id: <200003011100.FAA15269 at crackpipe.txraves.org> > To: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; > boundary="FAA15269.951908422/crackpipe.txraves.org" > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > From rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com Wed Mar 1 16:15:36 2000 From: rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker) Date: 01 Mar 2000 07:15:36 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Postmaster notify: Local configuration error - Host name this list prefers? In-Reply-To: 's message of "Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:02:05 -0600" References: <006e01bf838f$3f1bed20$362518d0@jordan> Message-ID: Try Mailman/mm_cfg.py Change: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME You'll want to recompile. writes: > i get this error every time mailman sends out the password reminders. > > "Host name this list prefers." for all the lists on this box used to be > www.txraves.org and the server -did- accept mail for the host name > back then. but i have since changed that option to just txraves.org > and removed www.txraves.org from the sendmail configuration so that > it won't process mail for that host name(ie. blurr at www.txraves.org) > > even though i've changed "Host name this list prefers" for all the lists > over to just txraves.org its still using the old value when sending out > reminders and choking. > > is there somewhere else in the mailman configuration as a whole, > or for each list, that i have overlooked? how do i get rid of this > old host name that isn't valid any more? > > --- > -] jordan > -] blurr at txraves.org > -] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr > > . .. ... s p r e a d t h a v i b e ... .. . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:00 AM > Subject: Postmaster notify: Local configuration error > > > > The original message was received at Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:00:22 -0600 > > from localhost > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > 553 www.txraves.org. config error: mail loops back to me (MX problem?) > > 554 ... Local configuration error > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Return-Path: > > Received: from localhost (localhost) > > by crackpipe.txraves.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with internal id FAA15269; > > Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:00:22 -0600 > > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 05:00:22 -0600 > > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > > Message-Id: <200003011100.FAA15269 at crackpipe.txraves.org> > > To: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; > > boundary="FAA15269.951908422/crackpipe.txraves.org" > > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown > > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- -rupa From ptomblin at xcski.com Wed Mar 1 16:20:47 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Expiring archives Message-ID: <20000301102047.B17255@xcski.com> Can anybody describe a simple method for expiring old archives? I only want the last 4 months or so, so I want to remove the older archive files and regenerate whatever indexes are required. How do I do that? -- Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody. "If you would like a transcript of this program, sit next to your radio with a pencil and paper and write really fast." - The WRVO Playhouse. From Mark.Martinec at ijs.si Wed Mar 1 16:56:01 2000 From: Mark.Martinec at ijs.si (Mark Martinec) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:56:01 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong headers in monthly reminders Message-ID: <01JMIXB1KA6Q007MJQ@CATHY.IJS.SI> This seems to remain an unresolved bug on mailman 1.2b1, not nice! A mismatch is between list name reported in the mail headers (which bears no relationship to the lists one is really subscribed to), and the correct list name as reported in the message body. | Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 05:06:04 -0500 (EST) | From: mailman-owner at python.org | Subject: python.org mailing list memberships reminder | Sender: mailman-developers-admin at python.org | ^^^^^^^^^^ | To: Mark.Martinec at ijs.si | Errors-to: mailman-developers-admin at python.org | ^^^^^^^^^^ | Message-id: <20000301100604.B8FE51D34D at dinsdale.python.org> | Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT | X-No-Archive: yes | X-BeenThere: mailman-developers at python.org | X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (beta 1) | Precedence: bulk | List-Id: Mailman mailing list developers | ^^^^^^^^^^ | | This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your python.org | [...] | the list (for example, mailman-users-request at python.org) containing | ^^^^^ | Passwords for ... | List Password // URL | ---- -------- | mailman-users at python.org ... | ^^^^^ | http://www.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark.martinec at ijs.si | ^^^^^ Regards Mark -- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Mark Martinec (system manager) tel +386 61 177-3575 !! !! J. Stefan Institute, Jamova 39 fax +386 61 219-385 !! !! SI-1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia mark.martinec at ijs.si !! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.ijs.si/people/mark/ !!!! From fil at bok.net Wed Mar 1 16:58:13 2000 From: fil at bok.net (Fil) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:58:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Expiring archives In-Reply-To: <20000301102047.B17255@xcski.com>; from ptomblin@xcski.com on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 10:20:47AM -0500 References: <20000301102047.B17255@xcski.com> Message-ID: <20000301165813.A25893@orwell.bok.net> If you use mhonarc, it's builtin. The option name is * Paul Tomblin (ptomblin at xcski.com) ?crivait : > Can anybody describe a simple method for expiring old archives? I only want > the last 4 months or so, so I want to remove the older archive files and > regenerate whatever indexes are required. How do I do that? > > -- > Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody. > "If you would like a transcript of this program, sit next to your radio with a > pencil and paper and write really fast." - The WRVO Playhouse. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ptomblin at xcski.com Wed Mar 1 17:38:23 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:38:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Expiring archives In-Reply-To: <20000301165813.A25893@orwell.bok.net> References: <20000301102047.B17255@xcski.com> <20000301165813.A25893@orwell.bok.net> Message-ID: <20000301113823.B19893@xcski.com> Quoting Fil (fil at bok.net): > * Paul Tomblin (ptomblin at xcski.com) ?crivait : > > Can anybody describe a simple method for expiring old archives? I only want > > the last 4 months or so, so I want to remove the older archive files and > > regenerate whatever indexes are required. How do I do that? > > If you use mhonarc, it's builtin. The option name is No, I use the built in one - "piper"? -- Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody. "If you would like a transcript of this program, sit next to your radio with a pencil and paper and write really fast." - The WRVO Playhouse. From farzy at via.ecp.fr Wed Mar 1 17:58:50 2000 From: farzy at via.ecp.fr (Farzad Farid) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:58:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman support LDAP? Message-ID: <20000301175850.A31169@via.ecp.fr> How can I interface Mailman with a user base stored in an LDAP server? Is it alreay supported, is there a patch for it? What about accessing an SQL database ? Thanks -- Farzad FARID Ing?nieur Informatique Libre Alc?ve - http://www.alcove.fr/ From frank at netlojix.com Wed Mar 1 19:33:41 2000 From: frank at netlojix.com (Frank Dziuba) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:33:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman: moved from one host to another, archiver now broken In-Reply-To: <20000301175606.A17872@mail.dskk.co.jp> from "Jim Tittsler" at Mar 01, 2000 05:56:06 PM Message-ID: <20000301183341.AD38726@mail.netlojix.com> > > The paths are stored in the 'config.db' of each mailing list. A little bit > of Python and the bin/withlist tool will let you modify your lists. Barry > Warsaw provided a recipe a few months back: > > http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-August/001980.html > Thanks, that helped me fix it. It would be nice if there was a feature in the web interface to update the locations of stuff. frank From Chumby1971 at aol.com Wed Mar 1 22:23:23 2000 From: Chumby1971 at aol.com (Chumby1971 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:23:23 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: I am interested in doing direct emails to attorney's in specific states. Do you offer that type of service? What are your fees? Kimberly chumby1971 at aol.com 602-224-8902 From atropos at fates.org Wed Mar 1 22:32:03 2000 From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing LISTSERV archives Message-ID: I have a bunch of old archives for a list that I moved from Revised LISTSERV to Mailman 1.1. I'd like to know if there's any way to merge the old archives into the new server, or if there is any way to make them available as files through the List web interface. -- David B. O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org Help stop junk e-mailing! Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org/) From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca Thu Mar 2 00:14:07 2000 From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:14:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing LISTSERV archives In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, David B. O'Donnell wrote: > I have a bunch of old archives for a list that I moved from Revised LISTSERV > to Mailman 1.1. I'd like to know if there's any way to merge the old > archives into the new server, or if there is any way to make them available > as files through the List web interface. look at the ~mailman/bin/arch program. how easy this is depends on how well formatted your listserv archives are. if they are in standard mbox format then arch should be able to deal with them. you could just cat the old mbox archives together with any existing mailman mbox archive file for a list, delete the existing html archives and then run arch against the entire mbox file to recreate all the html archives for the list. i had some very messy old listproc archives which i had to pre-process with formail (from the procmail package) to get a decent format that arch could deal with. -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Thu Mar 2 00:35:40 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:35:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] requests for unsubscribe come back to mailman-owner Message-ID: Every month when the passwords are sent out to mailman subscribers, it is sent out under the name of mailman-owner, so when they reply and ask to unsubscribe, they send the request to mailman-owner. Nothing in the message indicates what lists they are on, and looking in the mailman/bin directory doesn't help me in figuring out a way to quickly remove a given user from every list they are on. remove_members requires that I know what lists they are on. How can I unsubscribe them from all lists at once? Aaryn From lindsey at mallorn.com Thu Mar 2 02:38:20 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:38:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] requests for unsubscribe come back to mailman-owner In-Reply-To: from "Aaryn Olsson" at Mar 01, 2000 04:35:40 PM Message-ID: <200003020138.TAA10596@lorien.mallorn.com> > Every month when the passwords are sent out to mailman subscribers, it is > sent out under the name of mailman-owner, so when they reply and ask to > unsubscribe, they send the request to mailman-owner. Nothing in the > message indicates what lists they are on, and looking in the mailman/bin > directory doesn't help me in figuring out a way to quickly remove a given > user from every list they are on. remove_members requires that I know > what lists they are on. How can I unsubscribe them from all lists at > once? There is also a find_member script that will tell you what lists a person is subscribed to. It's new though, having come out in version 1.1. So, assuming that you're running csh as your shell: cd $prefix/bin foreach i ( `./find_member user at example.com | grep "^ "`) echo user at example.com | ./remove_members -f - $i end or somesuch. You could wrap this with yet another foreach loop that cats the contents of a file containing bounced addresses, even... Chris From Alessandro.Bottoni at think3.com Thu Mar 2 12:29:44 2000 From: Alessandro.Bottoni at think3.com (Alessandro Bottoni) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:29:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WorkFlow Applications with MailMan? Message-ID: <6D8A17398E28D3119F860090274DD7DB498505@pces.cadlab.it> Does anybody has developed a workflow application with MailMan? Is there any example on the Net? TIA -------------------------------- Alessandro Bottoni (Alessandro.Bottoni at Think3.com) (alessandro.bottoni at libero.it) Web Programmer Think3 inc. (www.think3.com) From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Thu Mar 2 12:38:32 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:38:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] WorkFlow Applications with MailMan? In-Reply-To: <6D8A17398E28D3119F860090274DD7DB498505@pces.cadlab.it>; from Alessandro.Bottoni@think3.com on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 12:29:44PM +0100 References: <6D8A17398E28D3119F860090274DD7DB498505@pces.cadlab.it> Message-ID: <20000302123832.D24851@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 12:29:44PM +0100, Alessandro Bottoni wrote: > Does anybody has developed a workflow application with MailMan? > Is there any example on the Net? I'd normally say that GNATS (or any other bug tracking system) might be better suited for that. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb The same people that tell you that a Linux program is as good as a WinNT program would also tell you it's better to wipe your ass with a belt sander instead of toilet paper. I can hear them now -- "It may not look as good but it's faster and does a more thorough job! From dzufall at live-in-hell.de Thu Mar 2 17:12:31 2000 From: dzufall at live-in-hell.de (Dietmar Zufall) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:12:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway MailtoNews Message-ID: <38BE92EF.BCFA92B6@live-in-hell.de> Hello, I can only speak a little bit of english, but i hope you can understand what i'm write. I want use the Gatewayoption MailtoNews with mailman, but i get the following errors: Mar 02 16:18:59 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? post: mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) post: File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1331, in Post post: self.SendMailToNewsGroup(msg) post: File "/home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py", line 204, in SendMailToNewsGroup post: con.post(msg) post: File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 417, in post post: resp = self.shortcmd('POST') post: File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 158, in shortcmd post: return self.getresp() post: File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 134, in getresp post: raise error_perm, resp post: nntplib.error_perm : 500 "POST" not implemented; try "help". Is this a Problem of mailman or python(i use 1.5)? Can you help me please? Thanks and sorry for my english. Dietmar From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Thu Mar 2 17:19:07 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:19:07 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway MailtoNews In-Reply-To: <38BE92EF.BCFA92B6@live-in-hell.de>; from dzufall@live-in-hell.de on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 05:12:31PM +0100 References: <38BE92EF.BCFA92B6@live-in-hell.de> Message-ID: <20000302171907.P24851@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Am 02.03.2000 um 17:12:31 +0100 schrieb Dietmar Zufall folgendes: > I want use the Gatewayoption MailtoNews with mailman, but i get the > following errors: > > Mar 02 16:18:59 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): > post: File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? > post: mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) > post: File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1331, in Post > post: self.SendMailToNewsGroup(msg) > post: File "/home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py", line 204, in > SendMailToNewsGroup > post: con.post(msg) > post: File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 417, in post > post: resp = self.shortcmd('POST') > post: File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 158, in shortcmd > post: return self.getresp() > post: File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 134, in getresp > post: raise error_perm, resp > post: nntplib.error_perm : 500 "POST" not implemented; try "help". > > Is this a Problem of mailman or python(i use 1.5)? Can you help me > please? > Thanks and sorry for my english. This looks like a error from the NNTP (News-) Server, which doesn't implement POST. What kind of NNTP Server do you use? -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb Micro$oft IMC: The Scarlet Pimpernel of postmen. Hard to find, impossible to order about, but every once in a while it saves a piece of mail from disaster. Sometimes even with it's head(ers) intact. From gerrit at nl.linux.org Thu Mar 2 17:21:21 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:21:21 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway MailtoNews In-Reply-To: <38BE92EF.BCFA92B6@live-in-hell.de>; from dzufall@live-in-hell.de on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 05:12:31PM +0100 References: <38BE92EF.BCFA92B6@live-in-hell.de> Message-ID: <20000302172121.B24862@nl.linux.org> ... > post: nntplib.error_perm : 500 "POST" not implemented; try "help". > > Is this a Problem of mailman or python(i use 1.5)? Can you help me > please? None of both. The NNTP server you are using does not allow posting of messages; are you able to post with an ordinary news client? regards, Gerrit. -- Plis korekt eni ingglisj joe encounter in mai imeel meeasj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Thu Mar 2 17:27:30 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:27:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] requests for unsubscribe come back to mailman-owner In-Reply-To: <200003020138.TAA10596@lorien.mallorn.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I will upgrade to 1.1 as you suggested, Christopher. Now I have another question. Is there a way to automatically generate a list of bounces, or is this done already? What I want to do is compare from one month to the next and only remove the ones that bounce for consecutive months. Aaryn On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:38:20 -0600 (CST) > From: Christopher P. Lindsey > To: Aaryn Olsson > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] requests for unsubscribe come back to mailman-owner > > > Every month when the passwords are sent out to mailman subscribers, it is > > sent out under the name of mailman-owner, so when they reply and ask to > > unsubscribe, they send the request to mailman-owner. Nothing in the > > message indicates what lists they are on, and looking in the mailman/bin > > directory doesn't help me in figuring out a way to quickly remove a given > > user from every list they are on. remove_members requires that I know > > what lists they are on. How can I unsubscribe them from all lists at > > once? > > There is also a find_member script that will tell you what lists a > person is subscribed to. It's new though, having come out in version > 1.1. > > So, assuming that you're running csh as your shell: > > cd $prefix/bin > foreach i ( `./find_member user at example.com | grep "^ "`) > echo user at example.com | ./remove_members -f - $i > end > > or somesuch. You could wrap this with yet another foreach loop that > cats the contents of a file containing bounced addresses, even... > > Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Thu Mar 2 17:38:25 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:38:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] requests for unsubscribe come back to mailman-owner (fwd) Message-ID: [Sorry for the repeat if you got this twice, but I don't think I sent it right the first time] Thanks, I will upgrade to 1.1 as you suggested, Christopher. Now I have another question. Is there a way to automatically generate a list of bounces, or is this done already? What I want to do is compare from one month to the next and only remove the ones that bounce for consecutive months. Aaryn On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote: > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:38:20 -0600 (CST) > From: Christopher P. Lindsey > To: Aaryn Olsson > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] requests for unsubscribe come back to mailman-owner > > > Every month when the passwords are sent out to mailman subscribers, it is > > sent out under the name of mailman-owner, so when they reply and ask to > > unsubscribe, they send the request to mailman-owner. Nothing in the > > message indicates what lists they are on, and looking in the mailman/bin > > directory doesn't help me in figuring out a way to quickly remove a given > > user from every list they are on. remove_members requires that I know > > what lists they are on. How can I unsubscribe them from all lists at > > once? > > There is also a find_member script that will tell you what lists a > person is subscribed to. It's new though, having come out in version > 1.1. > > So, assuming that you're running csh as your shell: > > cd $prefix/bin > foreach i ( `./find_member user at example.com | grep "^ "`) > echo user at example.com | ./remove_members -f - $i > end > > or somesuch. You could wrap this with yet another foreach loop that > cats the contents of a file containing bounced addresses, even... > > Chris > From lindsey at mallorn.com Thu Mar 2 18:35:48 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 11:35:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] requests for unsubscribe come back to mailman-owner In-Reply-To: from "Aaryn Olsson" at Mar 02, 2000 09:38:25 AM Message-ID: <200003021735.LAA25574@lorien.mallorn.com> > Thanks, I will upgrade to 1.1 as you suggested, Christopher. Now I have > another question. Is there a way to automatically generate a list of > bounces, or is this done already? What I want to do is compare from one > month to the next and only remove the ones that bounce for consecutive > months. Unfortunately, not from within Mailman. I know what you mean though, and I've been wanting bounces compared the previous month as well. You could try wrapping the account that receives the bounces with a procmail script or somesuch; the script could save a list of bounced addresses for future comparison. The hardest part would be the actual extraction of email addresses, though... Unless you have a prohibitively large number of bounces, it might be easiest to just deal with it by hand for now. Chris From watcher at stercomm.com Thu Mar 2 16:42:24 2000 From: watcher at stercomm.com (Bill DeVos) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:42:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect domain name parsing? Message-ID: I sent this a week or so ago and got no reply of any kind, so I'm going to try one more time to see if maybe someone missed it. Mailman ROCKS, this is a very well designed and thought out product, my cudos to the developement team! Now on to my question. 8^) Mailman seems to be munging the domain name, if I set the domain name to 'watcher' in the mm_cfg.py the From seems to reflect that correctly in mail sent from Mailman but if I change the domain to watcher.nsg.stercomm.com The From changes to the domain watcher.stercomm.com. The problem is of course that there is no machine by that name. I have experimented and read all I could find on the subject and I can't seem to get this working. Please notice in the cut of my confirmation below that although the body of the message contains the addresses as I want them all to be, the headers addresses have been altered to unusable addresses. I can't imagine that this is being done by any mailer and if I alter the addresses to what they are in the body they work just fine. I hope this information makes it easier to determine the problem. Any workarounds would be appreciated, I'm currently attempting to get watcher.stercomm.com setup as an alias to watcher.nsg.stercomm.com via DNS as a temporary workaround but I'm not sure how well our Network group will react to that request. (Yes, I know it's easy to do) From: python-request at stercomm.com Received: from watcher (watcher.nsg.stercomm.com [192.168.160.153]) by imx1.stercomm.com with ESMTP id NAA12176 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:54:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:54:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002291854.NAA12176 at imx1.stercomm.com> Subject: Python -- confirmation of subscription -- request 828536 To: watcher at stercomm.com Reply-to: python-request at stercomm.com Errors-To: python-admin at stercomm.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Discussion or assistance about Python. Python -- confirmation of subscription -- request 828536 We have received a request from watcher for subscription of your email address, , to the python at watcher.nsg.stercomm.com mailing list. To confirm the request, please send a message to python-request at watcher.nsg.stercomm.com, and either: ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. > Watcher (aka Bill DeVos) | < > Sterling Commerce | < > Commerce Services Group | < > 4600 Lakehurst Ct. | "During my service in the United States Congress, < > Dublin, Ohio 43017 | I took the initiative in creating the Internet" < > Voice: 614-793-7101 | Al Gore on why Democrats should back him for president.< > Fax: 614-718-1592 | < > watcher at stercomm.com | < > http://www.aack.net/ | < `-----------------------------------------------------------------------------' From johnr at edtech-ia.com Thu Mar 2 19:07:02 2000 From: johnr at edtech-ia.com (John Roach) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 12:07:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listar to Mailman Migration Question. Message-ID: <001d01bf8472$1c6b5e80$6b5296cf@pooh.theclc.com> Is it possible to manually add a subscriber list to a new mailman list? I have a listar list with about 400 people on it. I would like to migrate it over to Mailman in background, so the users do not have to involve them selves in the change. Is there an easy way to do this? Thanks, John Roach -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000302/2c47a1dc/attachment.html From brivera at blkbox.com Thu Mar 2 19:33:52 2000 From: brivera at blkbox.com (Bryan Rivera) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:33:52 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list Message-ID: <38BEB410.BCE81458@blkbox.com> Please excuse me if these have already been covered, I've only made it throught about half of the archives. 1. How can Mailman be configured for a read-only list? Only want list owner/admin to post messages - as in a newsletter type mailing 2. Is there still no way to disable the user password req upon subscription? Or is there any "recommended" way of having a password assigned by Mailman? Bottom line is that we want subscribers to only have to enter their email address. Nothing more. Any help and guidance is appreciated. bry brivera at blkbox.com From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Thu Mar 2 20:50:22 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:50:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listar to Mailman Migration Question. In-Reply-To: <001d01bf8472$1c6b5e80$6b5296cf@pooh.theclc.com>; from johnr@edtech-ia.com on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 12:07:02PM -0600 References: <001d01bf8472$1c6b5e80$6b5296cf@pooh.theclc.com> Message-ID: <20000302145022.C25344@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> John - Yup. it's easy to do. There are two different ways. The first way, in the tradition of Mailman involves using the Mass Subscribe form on the admin/members web page. You can choose if these new members get a welcome message as well. The second way involves using the command line tool /home/mailman/bin/add_members. Again you have multiple choices for how they get added to the list. Also, a helpful tool is the sync_members command line tool. This will sync the member list with the list of a plain text file, adding and removing list members until the membership list matches the text file list. -- Scott On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 12:07:02PM -0600, John Roach wrote: > Is it possible to manually add a subscriber list to a new mailman list? I > have a listar list with about 400 people on it. I would like to migrate it > over to Mailman in background, so the users do not have to involve them > selves in the change. Is there an easy way to do this? > > Thanks, > > John Roach -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Thu Mar 2 20:59:08 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:59:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: <38BEB410.BCE81458@blkbox.com>; from brivera@blkbox.com on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 12:33:52PM -0600 References: <38BEB410.BCE81458@blkbox.com> Message-ID: <20000302145908.D25344@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> > 1. How can Mailman be configured for a read-only list? Only want list > owner/admin to post messages - as in a newsletter type mailing Yes. Set the "Posting restricted to list members" option to "No" and the "Are there implicityl approved people" option to "Yes" then provide a list of approved email addresses for posting. Also, it would be a good idea to have the default reply go to the 'Poster', again an option to set. That way it takes a bit more effort if people try to reply to the list instead of the poster. > 2. Is there still no way to disable the user password req upon > subscription? Or is there any "recommended" way of having a password > assigned by Mailman? Bottom line is that we want subscribers to only > have to enter their email address. Nothing more. You can create your own subscription form that generates an email to the yourlist-request@ address. In this email you can give a subscription command w/o a password option. Mailman will then automatically generate a password for the user. Also, turn off the montly password reminders. Downside is to unsubscribe they'll need that password or they mailman-owner password, which you *don't* want to give out. Along the same lines, instead of using cgi -> email for membership subs/unsubs you can try to have your cgi call the approprate /usr/home/mailman/bin tool to subscribe/unsubscribe members. Again, this involves custom forms/cgis on your part. Beware, I've tried neither of these two idea but it seems reasonable something like this could be hacked together. -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From lqiu at sunyrockland.edu Thu Mar 2 20:34:44 2000 From: lqiu at sunyrockland.edu (Lin Qiu) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:34:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Free web list server Message-ID: <38BEC254.EC493B31@sunyrockland.edu> Hi All, Does anyone know any web site will provide free list service? I mean, something like e-circle, that will allow people to sign up as a member and creating his own email list? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lqiu.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 195 bytes Desc: Card for Lin Qiu Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000302/1afe7edf/attachment.vcf From brivera at blkbox.com Thu Mar 2 20:36:36 2000 From: brivera at blkbox.com (Bryan Rivera) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:36:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list References: <38BEB410.BCE81458@blkbox.com> <20000302145908.D25344@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <38BEC2C4.E775F4E4@blkbox.com> Thanks, does mailman/bin/add_members create a password when called. Scott Russell wrote: > > 1. How can Mailman be configured for a read-only list? Only want list > > owner/admin to post messages - as in a newsletter type mailing > > Yes. Set the "Posting restricted to list members" option to "No" and the > "Are there implicityl approved people" option to "Yes" then provide a list > of approved email addresses for posting. Also, it would be a good idea to > have the default reply go to the 'Poster', again an option to set. That way > it takes a bit more effort if people try to reply to the list instead of the > poster. > > > 2. Is there still no way to disable the user password req upon > > subscription? Or is there any "recommended" way of having a password > > assigned by Mailman? Bottom line is that we want subscribers to only > > have to enter their email address. Nothing more. > > You can create your own subscription form that generates an email to the > yourlist-request@ address. In this email you can give a subscription command > w/o a password option. Mailman will then automatically generate a password > for the user. Also, turn off the montly password reminders. Downside is to > unsubscribe they'll need that password or they mailman-owner password, which > you *don't* want to give out. > > Along the same lines, instead of using cgi -> email for membership subs/unsubs > you can try to have your cgi call the approprate /usr/home/mailman/bin tool > to subscribe/unsubscribe members. Again, this involves custom forms/cgis on > your part. > > Beware, I've tried neither of these two idea but it seems reasonable something > like this could be hacked together. > > -- > Regards, > Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) > Linux Technology Center, System Admin > Red Hat Certified Engineer From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Thu Mar 2 21:59:39 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:59:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: <38BEC2C4.E775F4E4@blkbox.com>; from brivera@blkbox.com on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 01:36:36PM -0600 References: <38BEB410.BCE81458@blkbox.com> <20000302145908.D25344@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <38BEC2C4.E775F4E4@blkbox.com> Message-ID: <20000302155939.A28801@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 01:36:36PM -0600, Bryan Rivera wrote: > Thanks, > > does mailman/bin/add_members create a password when called. > Yes, it does generate passwords for the users when they're added to the list. As with the web page you can use cmdline switches to set options such as digests, welcome messages, etc. -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416 Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543 From gerrit at nl.linux.org Thu Mar 2 23:18:18 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:18:18 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Free web list server In-Reply-To: <38BEC254.EC493B31@sunyrockland.edu>; from lqiu@sunyrockland.edu on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:34:44PM -0500 References: <38BEC254.EC493B31@sunyrockland.edu> Message-ID: <20000302231818.A4398@nl.linux.org> > Hi All, > > Does anyone know any web site will provide free list service? I mean, > something like e-circle, that will allow people to sign up as a member > and creating his own email list? http://www.egroups.com/ regards, GErrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From ashp at bastard.co.uk Thu Mar 2 23:24:08 2000 From: ashp at bastard.co.uk (Ashley Penney) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:24:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with local sender Message-ID: <20000302232408.B57834@zoe.ip.versatel.net> Hi. Someone posted a while back (In feb..) about a problem whereby if the sender of a mail is on the list that he sends to, the python process never closes. This is causing me huge problems, with 50 or so processes hanging and not closing. It seems to happen when others send to the list, so I'm guessing that it's confused by the fact it has to deliver locally, rather than anything else. I tested this under exim and qmail, with the same problem. Has anything been checked into CVS or anything that fixes this? 57767 ?? I 0:00.00 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post chat 57768 ?? I 0:00.21 /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/scripts/p 57769 ?? Z 0:00.00 (sh) 57845 ?? I 0:00.01 bin/qmail-local -- alias /var/qmail/alias chat - chat 57847 ?? I 0:00.00 /bin/sh -c /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post chat 57848 ?? I 0:00.21 /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/scripts/p You can see the kind of havoc this causes. :/ This is a FreeBSD-CURRENT machine for the record, now running qmail. -- Ashp. From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu Thu Mar 2 23:33:31 2000 From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:33:31 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway MailtoNews In-Reply-To: <20000302172121.B24862@nl.linux.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote: > > ... > > post: nntplib.error_perm : 500 "POST" not implemented; try "help". > > > > Is this a Problem of mailman or python(i use 1.5)? Can you help me > > please? > > None of both. The NNTP server you are using does not allow posting of > messages; are you able to post with an ordinary news client? Nope, it is probably a problem of mailman/nntplib. There are some newsservers that need a `mode reader' command to go to nnrp mode... the mailman list archives should have all the relevant information. -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo at caesar.elte.hu gorgo at linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/ From ptomblin at xcski.com Fri Mar 3 00:15:26 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:15:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with local sender In-Reply-To: <20000302232408.B57834@zoe.ip.versatel.net> References: <20000302232408.B57834@zoe.ip.versatel.net> Message-ID: <20000302181526.B14957@xcski.com> Quoting Ashley Penney (ashp at bastard.co.uk): > Hi. Someone posted a while back (In feb..) about a problem whereby if > the sender of a mail is on the list that he sends to, the python process > never closes. > > This is causing me huge problems, with 50 or so processes hanging and > not closing. It seems to happen when others send to the list, so I'm > guessing that it's confused by the fact it has to deliver locally, rather > than anything else. I send a whole bunch of messages to mailing lists I run, and I've never observed this behaviour. Then again, I use Linux and postfix, not *BSD and qmail or exim. -- Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody. "If you would like a transcript of this program, sit next to your radio with a pencil and paper and write really fast." - The WRVO Playhouse. From jwt at dskk.co.jp Fri Mar 3 09:38:10 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:38:10 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect domain name parsing? In-Reply-To: ; from watcher@stercomm.com on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 10:42:24AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000303173810.A27468@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 10:42:24AM -0500, Bill DeVos wrote: > Mailman seems to be munging the domain name, if I set the domain name to > 'watcher' in the mm_cfg.py the From seems to reflect that correctly in > mail sent from Mailman but if I change the domain to > watcher.nsg.stercomm.com The From changes to the domain > watcher.stercomm.com. The problem is of course that there is no machine (That's not what the sample you pasted says... but it could still be an MTA issue rather than something about Mailman.) > Please notice in the cut of my confirmation below that although the body > of the message contains the addresses as I want them all to be, the > headers addresses have been altered to unusable addresses. I can't > imagine that this is being done by any mailer and if I alter the addresses > to what they are in the body they work just fine. There are reasons why some MTAs might be configured to rewrite addresses. Your "imx1" host is probably an internal mail exchanger, and to keep the internal hostnames from "leaking" out, it might be rewriting user@*.stercomm.com addresses to user at stercomm.com > > From: python-request at stercomm.com > Received: from watcher (watcher.nsg.stercomm.com [192.168.160.153]) by > imx1.stercomm.com with ESMTP id NAA12176 for ; > Tue, > 29 Feb 2000 13:54:23 -0500 (EST) > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:54:23 -0500 (EST) > Message-Id: <200002291854.NAA12176 at imx1.stercomm.com> > Subject: Python -- confirmation of subscription -- request 828536 > To: watcher at stercomm.com > Reply-to: python-request at stercomm.com > Errors-To: python-admin at stercomm.com > X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 > Precedence: bulk > List-Id: Discussion or assistance about Python. > -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From dzufall at live-in-hell.de Fri Mar 3 11:47:11 2000 From: dzufall at live-in-hell.de (Dietmar Zufall) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:47:11 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gateway MailtoNews References: <38BE92EF.BCFA92B6@live-in-hell.de> <20000302171907.P24851@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <38BF982F.947F0B18@live-in-hell.de> Hallo Ralf, > This looks like a error from the NNTP (News-) Server, which doesn't > implement POST. 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However I am in receipt of a message about bogus directory: Return-Path: Received: (from mailman at localhost) by baco.abitab.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id DAA02273 for mailman; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:27:01 -0300 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:27:01 -0300 Message-Id: <200003030627.DAA02273 at baco.abitab.com.uy> From: root at baco.abitab.com.uy (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at baco.abitab.com.uy Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /var/spool/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: List todos.tecnico has a bogus archive_directory: /var/spool/mailman/archives/private/todos.tecnico List todos.sistemas has a bogus archive_directory: /var/spool/mailman/archives/private/todos.sistemas (as you can see my lists are called todos.tecnico at domain.com and todos.sistemas at domain.com) Can you confirm me where is the problem? Thanks! -- Rodolfo Pilas rodolfo at linux.org.uy :~ #find . -iname "que" -type F | xargs grep "cuando" | cut -t "donde" | grep "quien" > esto\ es\ la\ realidad! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM d- s:+ a C+++ UL+++ P+++ L++ E--- W++ N+ o-- K w--- O++ M+ V- PS- PE Y-- PGP t+ 5-- X R tv+ b DI D++ G+ e++ h+ r y* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Fri Mar 3 16:28:02 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 10:28:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bogus directory In-Reply-To: <38BFC2F9.9B98ABE1@linux.org.uy>; from rodolfo@linux.org.uy on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 10:49:45AM -0300 References: <38BFC2F9.9B98ABE1@linux.org.uy> Message-ID: <20000303102802.A12435@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Rodolfo - This is okay. There will be no archive directory until after the first message is sent to the new list. After that this error goes away. -- Scott On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 10:49:45AM -0300, Rodolfo Pilas wrote: > > Thank you very much for previous help which enables me to have mailman > working today. > > However I am in receipt of a message about bogus directory: > > > Return-Path: > Received: (from mailman at localhost) > by baco.abitab.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id > DAA02273 > for mailman; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:27:01 -0300 > Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:27:01 -0300 > Message-Id: <200003030627.DAA02273 at baco.abitab.com.uy> > From: root at baco.abitab.com.uy (Cron Daemon) > To: mailman at baco.abitab.com.uy > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python > /var/spool/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > > List todos.tecnico has a bogus archive_directory: > /var/spool/mailman/archives/private/todos.tecnico > List todos.sistemas has a bogus archive_directory: > /var/spool/mailman/archives/private/todos.sistemas > > > (as you can see my lists are called todos.tecnico at domain.com and > todos.sistemas at domain.com) > > Can you confirm me where is the problem? > > Thanks! > > -- > > Rodolfo Pilas rodolfo at linux.org.uy > :~ #find . -iname "que" -type F | xargs grep "cuando" | cut > -t "donde" | grep "quien" > esto\ es\ la\ realidad! > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCM d- s:+ a C+++ UL+++ P+++ L++ E--- W++ N+ o-- K w--- O++ > M+ V- PS- PE Y-- PGP t+ 5-- X R tv+ b DI D++ G+ e++ h+ r y* > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From JWILDGRUBE at mail.amia.org Fri Mar 3 17:21:59 2000 From: JWILDGRUBE at mail.amia.org (John Wildgrube) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 11:21:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgotten Admin password Message-ID: <200003031619.LAA83393@amia2.amia.org> I have a user who is moderating a list created by mailman and has forgotten his administrative password. Is there any way to retrieve this password or change it? ---------------------------------------- John Wildgrube Systems Administrator American Medical Informatics Association Public PGP Key http://www.amia.org/pgp_jwildgrube.html From gerrit at nl.linux.org Fri Mar 3 17:26:56 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:26:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgotten Admin password In-Reply-To: <200003031619.LAA83393@amia2.amia.org>; from JWILDGRUBE@mail.amia.org on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 11:21:59AM -0500 References: <200003031619.LAA83393@amia2.amia.org> Message-ID: <20000303172656.A3166@nl.linux.org> > I have a user who is moderating a list created by mailman and has > forgotten his administrative password. Is there any way to retrieve > this password or change it? The site admin can use his password to change the password - he may fill in his own password everywhere where the list admin password may be filled in. regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From alregina at yorku.ca Fri Mar 3 18:08:00 2000 From: alregina at yorku.ca (Al Regina) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:08:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply to a post Message-ID: <38BFF170.B013D7F0@yorku.ca> Hi, Dumb question ... how do I reply to a post. ( when I don't have an e-mail of the original post -- please don't say .. cut-past ). Thanks, Al, From jtay at yorku.ca Fri Mar 3 18:51:36 2000 From: jtay at yorku.ca (Jim Tay) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] replying to old thread Message-ID: <38BFFBA8.63DA3370@yorku.ca> Hi, If you've deleted all previous emails to a thread, is there some way you can continue a thread? Or will it be considered a new thread by mailman? I tried simply copying the thread name into a new email but that didn't work; a new thread is started in the archive. Thanks, Jim From ashp at bastard.co.uk Fri Mar 3 18:55:17 2000 From: ashp at bastard.co.uk (Ashley Penney) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:55:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No luck for me.. Message-ID: <20000303185517.A26144@zoe.ip.versatel.net> I'm still having problems. Now I moved to CVS and subscribed people, no mail gets delivered remotely, I do get numerous errors in /usr/local/mailman/logs/bounce, along the lines of: Mar 03 18:49:51 2000 (26095) Chat: sabri at vuurwerk.nl - 0 more allowed over 9 secs Anyone ever seen things like that before? -- ashp From rullfig at uchicago.edu Fri Mar 3 21:11:02 2000 From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 14:11:02 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email step Message-ID: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> How does mailman actually send the messages to the users on a list? Does it call sendmail in parallel or serial? Is there a pause between each message getting sent or does it try to use all of a system's resources? We think that some large lists are bringing our system down to its knees. -- Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu Systems Administrator Networking Services and Information Technologies University of Chicago From ptomblin at xcski.com Fri Mar 3 22:19:23 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email step In-Reply-To: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> References: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20000303161923.C22642@xcski.com> Quoting Roberto Ullfig (rullfig at uchicago.edu): > > How does mailman actually send the messages to the users on a > list? Does it call sendmail in parallel or serial? Is there a > pause between each message getting sent or does it try to use > all of a system's resources? We think that some large lists are > bringing our system down to its knees. You can configure how many sendmail processes it spawns per message, and it makes those connections in parallel. However, each sendmail process will process its list serially. If you find large lists are bogging your system down in terms of flooding the network, you might want to make it fewer connections so that it only works on one destination per message at a time. However, if it's a CPU thing, you might want to look into raising or lowering that number, OR you might want to look into a different MTA. I switched to postfix and it's tons faster than sendmail. I've heard good things about exim and qmail - although the author of qmail is a prick and you don't want to deal with him if you can avoid it. -- Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody. "If you would like a transcript of this program, sit next to your radio with a pencil and paper and write really fast." - The WRVO Playhouse. From gaston at esc.edu.ar Fri Mar 3 22:33:06 2000 From: gaston at esc.edu.ar (Gaston Franco) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:33:06 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support of other lenguage References: <20000303185517.A26144@zoe.ip.versatel.net> Message-ID: <38C030DC.BDA763@esc.edu.ar> Hi! Does anyone wrote any extension to support spanish? thanks . From rodolfo at linux.org.uy Sat Mar 4 02:32:17 2000 From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:32:17 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support of other lenguage References: <20000303185517.A26144@zoe.ip.versatel.net> <38C030DC.BDA763@esc.edu.ar> Message-ID: <38C067A1.2537B555@linux.org.uy> Gaston Franco wrote: > Does anyone wrote any extension to support spanish? I am translating the files in templates/ directory. Perhaps we can coordinate the translation. Of course I can send you the already translated text. However I see that there are several text that seems to be in English only (i.e. message subject). -- Rodolfo Pilas rodolfo at linux.org.uy :~ #find . -iname "que" -type F | xargs grep "cuando" | cut -t "donde" | grep "quien" > esto\ es\ la\ realidad! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCM d- s:+ a C+++ UL+++ P+++ L++ E--- W++ N+ o-- K w--- O++ M+ V- PS- PE Y-- PGP t+ 5-- X R tv+ b DI D++ G+ e++ h+ r y* ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From petro at atypon.com Sat Mar 4 03:00:19 2000 From: petro at atypon.com (Christopher C. Petro) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:00:19 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A couple questions: Message-ID: Great work guys, thanks. A couple questions though: As a list Administrator, is there a way to unsubscribe users? I looked through the Never mind, just figured it out. I'll beat myself over the head wit the clue stick a few more times when I get home tonight. Oh, and that's what's causing that. Anyway, I think that solves it. Thanks for you help. Well, I've written it, I may as well send it. -- We have only come here seeking knowledge Things they would not teach us of in college.--The Police http://www.atypon.com petro at atypon.com From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Sat Mar 4 06:04:20 2000 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:04:20 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forgotten Admin password In-Reply-To: <200003031619.LAA83393@amia2.amia.org>; from JWILDGRUBE@mail.amia.org on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 11:21:59AM -0500 References: <200003031619.LAA83393@amia2.amia.org> Message-ID: <20000304160420.A8706@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> John Wildgrube wrote: > I have a user who is moderating a list created by mailman and has > forgotten his administrative password. Is there any way to retrieve > this password or change it? I think this one should go into the FAQ. It stumped me (and several others that I know of). Danny. From Jinhui.Dou at Level3.com Sat Mar 4 06:17:10 2000 From: Jinhui.Dou at Level3.com (Jinhui.Dou at Level3.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete a list Message-ID: <2B3524014A48D311A6F60008C716D00AC2BB8B@c0002v1idc1.oss.level3.com> I just created a test list and want to get rid of it. Is there a way to do it? Thanks, Jinhui -----Original Message----- From: Christopher C. Petro [mailto:petro at atypon.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 7:00 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] A couple questions: Great work guys, thanks. A couple questions though: As a list Administrator, is there a way to unsubscribe users? I looked through the Never mind, just figured it out. I'll beat myself over the head wit the clue stick a few more times when I get home tonight. Oh, and that's what's causing that. Anyway, I think that solves it. Thanks for you help. Well, I've written it, I may as well send it. -- We have only come here seeking knowledge Things they would not teach us of in college.--The Police http://www.atypon.com petro at atypon.com ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From gerrit at nl.linux.org Sat Mar 4 08:03:43 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:03:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete a list In-Reply-To: <2B3524014A48D311A6F60008C716D00AC2BB8B@c0002v1idc1.oss.level3.com>; from Jinhui.Dou@Level3.com on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 10:17:10PM -0700 References: <2B3524014A48D311A6F60008C716D00AC2BB8B@c0002v1idc1.oss.level3.com> Message-ID: <20000304080342.A29942@nl.linux.org> > I just created a test list and want to get rid of it. Is there a way to do > it? Use the 'rmlist' command in the '/bin' directory. regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From gerrit at nl.linux.org Sat Mar 4 08:22:33 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 08:22:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support of other lenguage In-Reply-To: <38C030DC.BDA763@esc.edu.ar>; from gaston@esc.edu.ar on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 06:33:06PM -0300 References: <20000303185517.A26144@zoe.ip.versatel.net> <38C030DC.BDA763@esc.edu.ar> Message-ID: <20000304082233.C29942@nl.linux.org> > Hi! > > Does anyone wrote any extension to support spanish? Subscribe to the mailman internationalization list: http://www.python.org/mailman/mailman-i18n/ And read the archives: http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-i18n/ success! regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sat Mar 4 12:31:10 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:31:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] replying to old thread In-Reply-To: <38BFFBA8.63DA3370@yorku.ca>; from jtay@yorku.ca on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 12:51:36PM -0500 References: <38BFFBA8.63DA3370@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20000304123110.E18021@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 12:51:36PM -0500, Jim Tay wrote: > If you've deleted all previous emails to a thread, is there some way you > can continue a thread? Or will it be considered a new thread by > mailman? You need to put In-Reply-To: into the headers of the new mail. > I tried simply copying the thread name into a new email but that didn't > work; a new thread is started in the archive. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb PP: MMDF gone mad with standards fever. Think "Brazil". From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sat Mar 4 12:33:17 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:33:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email step In-Reply-To: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu>; from rullfig@uchicago.edu on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 02:11:02PM -0600 References: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20000304123317.F18021@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Am 03.03.2000 um 14:11:02 -0600 schrieb Roberto Ullfig folgendes: > > How does mailman actually send the messages to the users on a > list? Does it call sendmail in parallel or serial? Is there a > pause between each message getting sent or does it try to use > all of a system's resources? We think that some large lists are > bringing our system down to its knees. You might consider switching to Postfix as MTA then (www.postfix.org). It's about 9x faster than sendwhale and invocation compatible. mailman works flawlessly with it. It also is (most likely) more secure. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb What about the four lusers of the apocalypse? I nominate: "advertising", "can't log in", "power switch" and "what backup?" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We think that some large lists are > > bringing our system down to its knees. > > You might consider switching to Postfix as MTA then (www.postfix.org). It's > about 9x faster than sendwhale and invocation compatible. mailman works > flawlessly with it. It also is (most likely) more secure. or Zmailer: http://linuxperf.nl.linux.org BTW, bothe Hotmail and Egroups run Qmail with ezmlm (also by djb) and so does Suse. regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From ppetru at coltronix.com Sat Mar 4 15:00:40 2000 From: ppetru at coltronix.com (Petru Paler) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:00:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email step In-Reply-To: <20000304144611.A8825@nl.linux.org>; from gerrit@nl.linux.org on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 02:46:12PM +0100 References: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> <20000304123317.F18021@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <20000304144611.A8825@nl.linux.org> Message-ID: <20000304160040.A4069@coltronix.com> On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 02:46:12PM +0100, Gerrit Holl wrote: > > You might consider switching to Postfix as MTA then (www.postfix.org). It's > > about 9x faster than sendwhale and invocation compatible. mailman works > > flawlessly with it. It also is (most likely) more secure. > > or Zmailer: http://linuxperf.nl.linux.org > > > > BTW, bothe Hotmail and Egroups run Qmail with ezmlm (also > by djb) and so does Suse. Nope, Suse uses Postfix :) [ppetru at newton ppetru]$ telnet mail.suse.de 25 Trying 194.112.123.193... Connected to mail.suse.de. Escape character is '^]'. 220 Cantor.suse.de ESMTP Postfix -Petru From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sat Mar 4 15:04:03 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 15:04:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email step In-Reply-To: <20000304160040.A4069@coltronix.com>; from ppetru@coltronix.com on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 04:00:40PM +0200 References: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> <20000304123317.F18021@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <20000304144611.A8825@nl.linux.org> <20000304160040.A4069@coltronix.com> Message-ID: <20000304150403.H1700@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 04:00:40PM +0200, Petru Paler wrote: > BTW, bothe Hotmail and Egroups run Qmail with ezmlm > (also by djb) and so does Suse. > > Nope, Suse uses Postfix :) No miracle, since one off them wrote the SMTP AUTH support for Postfix... 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Their MLM is ezmlm! I tried to sent a message to this list before I was subscribe, but got a message back that said it was ezmlm, which works only with Qmail... message attached. regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: suse-announce-e-help at suse.com Subject: confirm subscribe to suse-announce-e at suse.com Date: 3 Mar 2000 09:44:09 -0000 Size: 6297 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000304/4ba49d1a/attachment.mht From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Sat Mar 4 17:28:56 2000 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:28:56 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Support of other lenguage In-Reply-To: <38C067A1.2537B555@linux.org.uy> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Rodolfo Pilas wrote: > Gaston Franco wrote: > > > Does anyone wrote any extension to support spanish? > Juan Carlos Rey, with help from Mads and myself, has made substantial changes to Mailman codebase in order to add support for different languages. Barry is having hard fun :) integrating the changes into the next? version. -- Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From Scorn97 at aol.com Sat Mar 4 22:16:26 2000 From: Scorn97 at aol.com (Scorn97 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 16:16:26 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mail Problem Message-ID: <72.1da03d6.25f2d72a@aol.com> I and at least two other members of the "HeMan" mailing list, using the Mailman software, have been recieving between 3 and 10 copies of each mail sent to the list. I've tried everything I know of to rectify it, between simply unsubscribing and resubscribing and looking through the admin options. None of these three members are on the same or similar servers, and I have no idea how to fix this. If you could help, I'd be *very* grateful. My e-mail address is Scorn97 at aol.com. Let me know if you come up with something. Thanx, Scorn97 at aol.com From gerrit at nl.linux.org Sat Mar 4 22:23:59 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:23:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mail Problem In-Reply-To: <72.1da03d6.25f2d72a@aol.com>; from Scorn97@aol.com on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 04:16:26PM -0500 References: <72.1da03d6.25f2d72a@aol.com> Message-ID: <20000304222358.D22076@nl.linux.org> > I and at least two other members of the "HeMan" mailing list, using the > Mailman software, have been recieving between 3 and 10 copies of each mail > sent to the list. I've tried everything I know of to rectify it, between > simply unsubscribing and resubscribing and looking through the admin options. > None of these three members are on the same or similar servers, and I have no > idea how to fix this. If you could help, I'd be *very* grateful. My e-mail > address is Scorn97 at aol.com. Let me know if you come up with something. Do the messages all have different Message-ID's? regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From Scorn97 at aol.com Sun Mar 5 01:22:01 2000 From: Scorn97 at aol.com (Scorn97 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 19:22:01 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mail Problem Message-ID: <5a.21afdb9.25f302a9@aol.com> In a message dated 3/4/00 3:33:15 PM Central Standard Time, gerrit at nl.linux.org writes: > Do the messages all have different Message-ID's? No, all the messages are exactly the same. Sea Hawk From garret at satix.net Sun Mar 5 17:35:23 2000 From: garret at satix.net (Garret Krampe) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 00:35:23 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Time bug ... ? Message-ID: <38C28CCB.40277987@satix.net> Processing article #54 into archives ['2000-February'] figuring article archives 2000-February Processing article #55 into archives ['2000-February'] figuring article archives 2000-February Processing article #56 into archives ['2000-February'] figuring article archives 2000-February Processing article #57 into archives ['2000-February'] Traceback (innermost last): File "./arch", line 114, in ? main() File "./arch", line 103, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 385, in processUnixMailbox a=articleClass(m, self.sequence) # Create an article object File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 242, in __init__ date=time.mktime(date)-tzoffset OverflowError: mktime argument out of range The dates are Feb 29 2000 and it crashes.... any hint on a progy fix ? -- Regards, Garret Krampe (Managing Director) --------------------- SATIX Pty Ltd. http://www.satix.net --------------------- ACN 090 976 015 Western Australia "The Satellite Internet Exchange" --------------------- Phone: +61 (0) 5005 SATIX (72849) Fax & BOX: +61 (0) 5005 FAXUS (32987) ICQ 11 25 26 11 garret at satix.net TIMEZONE Zulu (GMT) + 8 Hrs. From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Mon Mar 6 04:51:38 2000 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:51:38 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains Message-ID: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> I want to run mailman on multiple domains, e.g. list1 at lists.blah.com, list2 at lists.blah.com, etc administered through http://lists.blah.com/ wth list1 at other.com, list2 at other.bcom, etc. administered through http://other.com/ Is there some easy way to do this? Have I missed something obvious? Danny. From gerrit at nl.linux.org Mon Mar 6 07:47:47 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:47:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains In-Reply-To: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>; from danny@anatomy.usyd.edu.au on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 02:51:38PM +1100 References: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000306074747.B11368@nl.linux.org> > I want to run mailman on multiple domains, e.g. > > list1 at lists.blah.com, list2 at lists.blah.com, etc > administered through http://lists.blah.com/ > > wth list1 at other.com, list2 at other.bcom, etc. > administered through http://other.com/ > > Is there some easy way to do this? Have I missed something obvious? I'm not sure, but have you tried to install Mailman twice? Just make the '/mailman' alias of foo.com go to the first installation and make the '/mailman' alias of bar.com go to the second installation, etc. Give it a try! regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Mon Mar 6 09:29:47 2000 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:29:47 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains In-Reply-To: <20000306074747.B11368@nl.linux.org>; from gerrit@nl.linux.org on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:47:47AM +0100 References: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <20000306074747.B11368@nl.linux.org> Message-ID: <20000306192947.A428@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> I wrote: > > I want to run mailman on multiple domains, e.g. Gerrit Holl wrote: > I'm not sure, but have you tried to install Mailman twice? > Just make the '/mailman' alias of foo.com go to the first installation and > make the '/mailman' alias of bar.com go to the second installation, etc. That works (/var/mailman and /var/mailman2), but it's very ugly, requiring replication of a large pile of stuff that really shouldn't need replication. My qmail/EZmlm friends have convinced me that list data should be separated from list code... It's possible to configure the mail domain and preferred admin URL for each list, but that doesn't actually work, since the lists still share the same web scripts. Danny. From bug at aphid.net Mon Mar 6 13:23:22 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:23:22 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: <20000302145908.D25344@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Thu, Mar 02, 2000 at 02:59:08PM -0500 References: <38BEB410.BCE81458@blkbox.com> <20000302145908.D25344@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20000306232322.F1971@buggy.aphid.net> Hi There. > > 2. Is there still no way to disable the user password req upon > > subscription? Or is there any "recommended" way of having a password > > assigned by Mailman? Bottom line is that we want subscribers to only > > have to enter their email address. Nothing more. > > You can create your own subscription form that generates an email to the > yourlist-request@ address. In this email you can give a subscription command > w/o a password option. Mailman will then automatically generate a password > for the user. Also, turn off the montly password reminders. Downside is to > unsubscribe they'll need that password or they mailman-owner password, which > you *don't* want to give out. [...] This is the biggest problem I'm experiencing implementing Mailman at the moment. I really need a feature to turn off passwords completely (for users, not administrators). Security and passwords may be important for standard lists like mailman and Gnome lists etc, but I need to create lots of little groups which have no need for protection of unsubscription, because the users understand little enough about what a mailing list actually is without needing to work out what the password is when they want to unsubscribe. Turning off monthly reminders and changing the subscribe message is not a solution because the password is still required for unsubscription. Will this be available in a later release of mailman (I'm running 1.0)? Or is there an easy way to do it now? Thanks, Chuck From bug at aphid.net Mon Mar 6 13:30:14 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:30:14 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe Email Customisation Message-ID: <20000306233013.G1971@buggy.aphid.net> Hi You Awesome Mailman People, I've been using mailman for a month or so now and it is cool... One thing that I need to do is make the usage of the mailman mailing lists on my server very simple. Hence my previous message about removing passwords. Additionally, is it possible to define separate subscribe emails for each list? *pause* ... thinking ... Actually, I could do this by making the subscribeack.txt virtually empty, then putting the full text for the message in each list individually! But this would be hassle because most of my lists would just use basically the same as in the default subscribeack.txt. Only a handful actually need separate subscribe lists. Therefore it would be nice to be able to override the default subscribe acknowledge message. (The entire message not just having a list-specific section.) Thanks for your time, Chuck From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Mon Mar 6 14:06:17 2000 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 00:06:17 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists Message-ID: <20000307000617.A2728@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> The "general options" menu has a umbrella_member_suffix option, which is described as "Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, according to setting of previous "umbrella_list" setting." But there is no "umbrella_list" setting anywhere that I can find! (I have one list subscribed to another, and there are problems with replies to messages sent to the first and received on the second. I was hoping the "umbrella list" option would give me some way of fixing this.) Danny. From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Mon Mar 6 14:11:47 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:11:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mail Problem References: <5a.21afdb9.25f302a9@aol.com> Message-ID: <14531.44691.880661.542202@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> I believe the "multiple mail problem" was due to the built-in bulk mailer. This has been totally revamped for 1.2 so the problem should just go away (assuming that it's not your MTA causing the multiple delivers). -Barry From jens at jsconsult.dk Mon Mar 6 14:13:39 2000 From: jens at jsconsult.dk (Jens W. Skov) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:13:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Majordomo/Mailman Message-ID: I'm about to install Mailman on a server already running Majordomo. I saw that someone wrote that the wrapper should be renamed. Why and where? - Jens W. Skov - JS Consult - Phone: 45884077 / 23254077 - E-Mail: jens at jsconsult.dk - Web: http://www.jsconsult.dk http://jnet.dk From bug at aphid.net Mon Mar 6 13:40:56 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:40:56 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains In-Reply-To: <20000306192947.A428@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>; from danny@anatomy.usyd.edu.au on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:29:47PM +1100 References: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <20000306074747.B11368@nl.linux.org> <20000306192947.A428@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000306234056.H1971@buggy.aphid.net> I was actually about to ask a question similar to that just discussed (see bottom of message for quotes from thread). Basically I want to have multiple lists with the same (left bit of @ sign). But with different domains (names have been changed to protect the fuzzy people). So: everyone at hoth.sw everyone at tatooine.sw I could make two lists: everyone-hoth everyone-tatooine Then create virtusertable entries for the two lists so everyone at hoth.sw -> everyone-hoth everyone at tatooine.sw -> everyone-tatooine Unfortunately I can only tell mailman to change the host part of the >From address when sending out mail. So mail would be sent out from these addresses: everyone-hoth at hoth.sw everyone-tatooine at tatooine.sw (Assuming I set the domain in the admin to those.) Is there any way to do this cleanly in Mailman? (Perhaps an upcoming version?) Does anyone have any recommendations for a kludge to get around this? Thanks again, Chuck Wrote Danny Yee on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:29:47PM +1100: > I wrote: > > > I want to run mailman on multiple domains, e.g. > > Gerrit Holl wrote: > > I'm not sure, but have you tried to install Mailman twice? > > Just make the '/mailman' alias of foo.com go to the first installation and > > make the '/mailman' alias of bar.com go to the second installation, etc. > > That works (/var/mailman and /var/mailman2), but it's very ugly, > requiring replication of a large pile of stuff that really shouldn't > need replication. My qmail/EZmlm friends have convinced me that list > data should be separated from list code... > > It's possible to configure the mail domain and preferred admin URL for > each list, but that doesn't actually work, since the lists still share > the same web scripts. From jtay at yorku.ca Mon Mar 6 16:18:29 2000 From: jtay at yorku.ca (Jim Tay) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:18:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] replying to old thread References: <38BFFBA8.63DA3370@yorku.ca> <20000304123110.E18021@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <38C3CC45.B88BAF09@yorku.ca> > > If you've deleted all previous emails to a thread, is there some > > way you can continue a thread? > > You need to put > In-Reply-To: > into the headers of the new mail. I'm using Netscape Messenger as my mail client and I'm not sure how to add an "In-Reply-To" field to the header. Also, how does one find out what the message id of the mail is? I'm a bit of a newbie at these things, so please forgive me if these are annoying questions.... Thanks, Jim From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Mon Mar 6 16:23:42 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:23:42 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] replying to old thread In-Reply-To: <38C3CC45.B88BAF09@yorku.ca>; from jtay@yorku.ca on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 10:18:29AM -0500 References: <38BFFBA8.63DA3370@yorku.ca> <20000304123110.E18021@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <38C3CC45.B88BAF09@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <20000306162342.Q21528@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 10:18:29AM -0500, Jim Tay wrote: > I'm using Netscape Messenger as my mail client and I'm not sure how to > add an "In-Reply-To" field to the header. Don't know that either. I don't use N$ for mail. > Also, how does one find out what the message id of the mail is? By looking at the extended headers. The line starting with "Message-ID: " Your mail had: "Message-ID: <38C3CC45.B88BAF09 at yorku.ca>" -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb Qmail : a small office of neatly dressed clerks, delivering short clipped remarks to queries, and handling mail with a rude impersonality, except in the case of failure where they let their hair down and have an after-hours beer and let you know about it, pointing to the pertinent header sections. From Scorn97 at aol.com Mon Mar 6 16:43:27 2000 From: Scorn97 at aol.com (Scorn97 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:43:27 EST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mail Problem Message-ID: <4f.17accb9.25f52c1f@aol.com> In a message dated 3/6/00 7:12:03 AM Central Standard Time, bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us writes: > I believe the "multiple mail problem" was due to the built-in bulk > mailer. This has been totally revamped for 1.2 so the problem should > just go away (assuming that it's not your MTA causing the multiple > delivers). > Yeah, that's what seems to be happening. I had the problem once, with only 3 mails at a time, then it was gone, then 8, now 4...I just hope the other people with this problem are having the same luck :) Thanks to everyone who helped shed some light on this! Sea Hawk From wcarlson at vh.org Mon Mar 6 16:53:33 2000 From: wcarlson at vh.org (Bill Carlson) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:53:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to delete a list In-Reply-To: <20000304080342.A29942@nl.linux.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote: > > > I just created a test list and want to get rid of it. Is there a way to do > > it? > > > Use the 'rmlist' command in the '/bin' directory. > And remove the specific list-related stuff in /etc/aliases if you had to add anything there...run newaliases when done. Bill Carlson ------------ Systems Programmer bill-carlson at uiowa.edu | Opinions are mine, Virtual Hospital http://www.vh.org/ | not my employer's. University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics | From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Mon Mar 6 18:44:47 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:44:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] limit valid subscriptions Message-ID: <20000306124447.A29085@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> All - Anyone know of an existing method using Mailman 1.1 or 1.2b1 where you can limit the subscriptions based on the domain? I only want people to be able to subscribe if their domain is *.ibm.com. Thanks for the help. -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From richarde at eskom.co.za Mon Mar 6 18:04:25 2000 From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:04:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] limit valid subscriptions Message-ID: No, there is no way currently. I have asked in vain many times. Here is my hacked solution: Modify your alias files request address and pass the request through a procmail filter. NOTE: modify the alias entry and the LIST= variable: comms-subscribers-request: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m LIST='comms-subscribers' " Here is the procmail filter (/etc/mail/procmailrc.lists). Modify it as needed with your custom message ***cut*** :0 # pass along all mail for ibm * ^From:.*ibm.com | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $LIST :0 # reply to all mail not from ibm * !^FROM_DAEMON * !^X-Loop: owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com { :0 hc | (formail -r -A"Precedence: bulk" \ -A"X-Loop: owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com" ; \ echo "\ This is an IBM internal mailing list to which you may not \ subscribe. If you have any queries, contact owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com \ for further information.") | \ $SENDMAIL -t -f owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com } :0 # drop all other mail /dev/null ***cut*** -- Richard Ellerbrock richarde at eskom.co.za >>> Scott Russell 2000/03/06 07:44:47 >>> All - Anyone know of an existing method using Mailman 1.1 or 1.2b1 where you can limit the subscriptions based on the domain? I only want people to be able to subscribe if their domain is *.ibm.com. Thanks for the help. -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Mon Mar 6 19:19:22 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:19:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] limit valid subscriptions In-Reply-To: ; from richarde@eskom.co.za on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:04:25PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20000306131922.A29939@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Cool. This will work until I have time to code :) Does this work if someone uses the web page to subscribe??? -- Scott On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:04:25PM +0200, Richard Ellerbrock wrote: > No, there is no way currently. I have asked in vain many times. Here is my hacked solution: > > Modify your alias files request address and pass the request through a procmail filter. NOTE: modify the alias entry and the LIST= variable: > > comms-subscribers-request: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m LIST='comms-subscribers' " > > Here is the procmail filter (/etc/mail/procmailrc.lists). Modify it as needed with your custom message > > ***cut*** > > :0 # pass along all mail for ibm > * ^From:.*ibm.com > | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $LIST > > :0 # reply to all mail not from ibm > * !^FROM_DAEMON > * !^X-Loop: owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com > { > :0 hc > | (formail -r -A"Precedence: bulk" \ > -A"X-Loop: owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com" ; \ > echo "\ > This is an IBM internal mailing list to which you may not \ > subscribe. If you have any queries, contact owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com \ > for further information.") | \ > $SENDMAIL -t -f owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com > } > > :0 # drop all other mail > /dev/null > > ***cut*** > > -- > Richard Ellerbrock > richarde at eskom.co.za > > >>> Scott Russell 2000/03/06 07:44:47 >>> > All - > > Anyone know of an existing method using Mailman 1.1 or 1.2b1 where you can > limit the subscriptions based on the domain? I only want people to be able > to subscribe if their domain is *.ibm.com. > > Thanks for the help. > > -- > Regards, > Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) > Linux Technology Center, System Admin > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From richarde at eskom.co.za Mon Mar 6 18:23:22 2000 From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:23:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] limit valid subscriptions Message-ID: No, but your lists should require a confirmation via e-mail, right? This confirmation will get rejected so the person can never become a member of the list. Bit of a workaround but it is better than nothing. I am not too worried about annoying external users as they have no business on my lists anyway :-) -- Richard Ellerbrock richarde at eskom.co.za >>> Scott Russell 2000/03/06 08:19:22 >>> Cool. This will work until I have time to code :) Does this work if someone uses the web page to subscribe??? -- Scott On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:04:25PM +0200, Richard Ellerbrock wrote: > No, there is no way currently. I have asked in vain many times. Here is my hacked solution: > > Modify your alias files request address and pass the request through a procmail filter. NOTE: modify the alias entry and the LIST= variable: > > comms-subscribers-request: "|/usr/bin/procmail -m LIST='comms-subscribers' " > > Here is the procmail filter (/etc/mail/procmailrc.lists). Modify it as needed with your custom message > > ***cut*** > > :0 # pass along all mail for ibm > * ^From:.*ibm.com > | /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $LIST > > :0 # reply to all mail not from ibm > * !^FROM_DAEMON > * !^X-Loop: owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com > { > :0 hc > | (formail -r -A"Precedence: bulk" \ > -A"X-Loop: owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com" ; \ > echo "\ > This is an IBM internal mailing list to which you may not \ > subscribe. If you have any queries, contact owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com \ > for further information.") | \ > $SENDMAIL -t -f owner-${LIST}@lists.ibm.com > } > > :0 # drop all other mail > /dev/null > > ***cut*** > > -- > Richard Ellerbrock > richarde at eskom.co.za > > >>> Scott Russell 2000/03/06 07:44:47 >>> > All - > > Anyone know of an existing method using Mailman 1.1 or 1.2b1 where you can > limit the subscriptions based on the domain? I only want people to be able > to subscribe if their domain is *.ibm.com. > > Thanks for the help. > > -- > Regards, > Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) > Linux Technology Center, System Admin > Red Hat Certified Engineer > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From rullfig at uchicago.edu Mon Mar 6 19:20:25 2000 From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:20:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email step References: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> <20000303161923.C22642@xcski.com> Message-ID: <38C3F6E9.AE4037D@uchicago.edu> Paul Tomblin wrote: > > Quoting Roberto Ullfig (rullfig at uchicago.edu): > > > > How does mailman actually send the messages to the users on a > > list? Does it call sendmail in parallel or serial? Is there a > > pause between each message getting sent or does it try to use > > all of a system's resources? We think that some large lists are > > bringing our system down to its knees. > > You can configure how many sendmail processes it spawns per message, and it > makes those connections in parallel. However, each sendmail process will > process its list serially. If you find large lists are bogging your system > down in terms of flooding the network, you might want to make it fewer > connections so that it only works on one destination per message at a time. > However, if it's a CPU thing, you might want to look into raising or lowering > that number, OR you might want to look into a different MTA. I switched to > postfix and it's tons faster than sendmail. I've heard good things about exim > and qmail - although the author of qmail is a prick and you don't want to deal > with him if you can avoid it. > Hello, I assume you're talking about the mailman num_spawns variable then? (default is 5) - should we lower this for very large lists then? Can this be configured for all lists? Is there a global setting somewhere? Our problem was with running out of memory, does postfix use less memory than sendmail? Postfix would not make anything noticeably faster for us; phquery is our bottleneck. Thanks in advance! -- Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu Systems Administrator Networking Services and Information Technologies University of Chicago From jtay at YorkU.CA Mon Mar 6 22:08:00 2000 From: jtay at YorkU.CA (Jim Tay) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:08:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? Message-ID: <38C41E30.89E2544@yorku.ca> > Demian> Has anyone tried to make the swap? Is there a reason not to > Demian> do this? > > ...various deficiencies of Hypermail deletia... > > Or, to put it simply: > > MHonArc is a heck of a lot better, faster, more configurable, etc. I'm debating between using Hypermail and MHonArc now, and one thing I like about Hypermail is that it has a "Reply" button on each posting so you don't need a copy of the original in your mailbox in order to keep your reply in a thread. Does MHonArc do this? Thanks, Jim From DorisR at MDRds.com Mon Mar 6 22:47:33 2000 From: DorisR at MDRds.com (Doris Raia) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:47:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] receive mail but not able to send out. Message-ID: <63344315E1FDD211B73E00500482DFED092686@NTSERVER> Able to receive mail but not able to send any out. Have it set up for POP3 and mail.pics.com any suggestions on what I am doing wrong. From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Mon Mar 6 23:55:27 2000 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:55:27 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] replying to old thread In-Reply-To: <38C3CC45.B88BAF09@yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Jim Tay wrote: > > > I'm using Netscape Messenger as my mail client and I'm not sure how to > add an "In-Reply-To" field to the header. Also, how does one find out > what the message id of the mail is? > I'm affraid you can't. I've been looking around both menus and the guts of preferences.js and it looks like there is no place to configure the header fields. I'd sujest using a real mail program not a browser-turned-MUA-to-be, and, provided you run on one MS-DOS variants, I'd recommend Pegasus Mail, it is both powerful and free. -- Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca Tue Mar 7 01:54:57 2000 From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:54:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? In-Reply-To: <38C41E30.89E2544@yorku.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Jim Tay wrote: > I'm debating between using Hypermail and MHonArc now, and one thing I > like about Hypermail is that it has a "Reply" button on each posting so > you don't need a copy of the original in your mailbox in order to keep > your reply in a thread. Does MHonArc do this? it doesn't by default, but i you could add this using one of the page layout resources in the mhonarc rc file. have a look at: http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/layout.html#msgpg and look at the MSGHEAD, TOPLINKS, BOTLINKS, or MSGFOOT resources. write some html in one of those resources to create a mailto link to the desired reply-to address. i use this technique to create a Reply mailto link in the BOTLINKS section of each message and i use listname at mailman.my.domain as the reply address. i saw your other message about netscape, in-reply-to and message id, and i assume this is related. i don't know the answer to your question about netscape and in-reply-to, but with respect to mhonarc, the message id is one of the variables that you can use in the mhonarc resources i mentioned above. so, you could include the mssage id in the html that mhonarc creates, but i don't know how this will be useful to your mua. -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From flerp at aidan.net Tue Mar 7 03:08:20 2000 From: flerp at aidan.net (JR) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:08:20 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the 'welcome message' ?? Message-ID: <20000307020805.D9A8C1CD80@dinsdale.python.org> I tried searching through the list archives for the answer to this question but I think I may be blind if the answer is there. It would be wonderful if there was some sort of search functionality built into the archives. At any rate... on to the question: How would I go about editing the 'welcome message' that is sent out when 'welcome message' is turned on for new subscribers? Any and all help would be much appreciated. If nothing else... point me to a place where I can RTFM. Thanks, JR From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Mar 7 03:13:08 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:13:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the 'welcome message' ?? Message-ID: <200003070213.SAA28918@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > How would I go about editing the 'welcome message' that is sent out when > 'welcome message' is turned on for new subscribers? Any and all help would > be much appreciated. If nothing else... point me to a place where I can RTFM. Uh...it's the sixth field in "General Options" on the admin page. You *did* look through all the admin pages, right?... From flerp at aidan.net Tue Mar 7 03:19:51 2000 From: flerp at aidan.net (JR) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:19:51 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the 'welcome message' ?? In-Reply-To: <200003070213.SAA28918@utopia.West.Sun.COM> Message-ID: <20000307021933.5893D1CD55@dinsdale.python.org> >From the sixth field in 'General Options': "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message" Uh... 'prepended' means added before the normal message, right? If I'm wrong please let me know. Thanks, JR At 06:13 PM 3/6/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >> How would I go about editing the 'welcome message' that is sent out when >> 'welcome message' is turned on for new subscribers? Any and all help would >> be much appreciated. If nothing else... point me to a place where I can RTFM. > >Uh...it's the sixth field in "General Options" on the admin page. >You *did* look through all the admin pages, right?... > From claw at kanga.nu Tue Mar 7 03:39:08 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 18:39:08 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Tay of "Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:08:00 EST." <38C41E30.89E2544@yorku.ca> References: <38C41E30.89E2544@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <1097.952396748@kanga.nu> On Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:08:00 -0500 Jim Tay wrote: > I'm debating between using Hypermail and MHonArc now, and one > thing I like about Hypermail is that it has a "Reply" button on > each posting so you don't need a copy of the original in your > mailbox in order to keep your reply in a thread. Does MHonArc do > this? It doesn't do that automatically, but it is a fairly easy task to setup the RC's to generate a "REPLY" button which POSTs the relevent data from the message in question to a CGI which then allows a message to be edited and sent. If you're exererienced at all with PHP or Zope, it shouldn't take you much more than 30 minutes or so. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Mar 7 03:53:44 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 18:53:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing the 'welcome message' ?? Message-ID: <200003070253.SAA00692@utopia.West.Sun.COM> > > > Seriously, if you > > > know how to edit the 'welcome message' that gets stuff 'prepended' to it I > > > would much appreciate your input. Thanks, To edit the other stuff, change templates/subscribeack.txt. It will affect every list (of course), though, so if you don't want that, you may have a problem. I've added this, for instance: *** subscribeack.txt.prev Fri Dec 3 22:27:38 1999 --- subscribeack.txt Fri Dec 17 19:25:53 1999 *************** *** 1,5 **** Welcome to the %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s mailing list! ! %(welcome)s To post to this list, send your email to: %(emailaddr)s --- 1,12 ---- Welcome to the %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s mailing list! ! ! SAVE THIS MESSAGE!!! YOU WILL NEED IT TO UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! ! ! IT CONTAINS INSTRUCTIONS AND A PASSWORD THAT YOU WILL NEED TO ! UNSUBSCRIBE!!! ! ! REALLY! SAVE THIS MESSAGE! ! To post to this list, send your email to: %(emailaddr)s *************** *** 34,36 **** --- 41,45 ---- You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the Web page noted above. + + %(welcome)s From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Tue Mar 7 09:57:06 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:57:06 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sending email step In-Reply-To: <38C3F6E9.AE4037D@uchicago.edu>; from rullfig@uchicago.edu on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 12:20:25PM -0600 References: <38C01C56.4A8A05F3@uchicago.edu> <20000303161923.C22642@xcski.com> <38C3F6E9.AE4037D@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20000307095706.D11048@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Am 06.03.2000 um 12:20:25 -0600 schrieb Roberto Ullfig folgendes: > Our problem was with running out of memory, does postfix use > less memory than sendmail? Postfix would not make anything > noticeably faster for us; phquery is our bottleneck. I uses less memory, since it's made up of multiple (small!) daemons, each running with least possible privileges. Besides, when it encounters resource problems (no memory etc.) it throttles, instead of f*cking up like sendmail. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb One box to run them all, one box to blind them one box to control them all and in the darkness grind them from the land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 376 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000307/075e3453/attachment.pgp From jtay at YorkU.CA Tue Mar 7 17:00:36 2000 From: jtay at YorkU.CA (Jim Tay) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:00:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? References: Message-ID: <38C527A4.657E2831@yorku.ca> > i use this technique to create a Reply mailto link in the BOTLINKS section > of each message and i use listname at mailman.my.domain as the reply address. Does the new reply get threaded properly in the archive when you do this? I assume that it would since MHonArc can do threading based on just the subject, but it would be nice to get some confirmation. > i saw your other message about netscape, in-reply-to and message id, and i > assume this is related. i don't know the answer to your question about > netscape and in-reply-to, but with respect to mhonarc, the message id is > one of the variables that you can use in the mhonarc resources i mentioned > above. so, you could include the mssage id in the html that mhonarc > creates, but i don't know how this will be useful to your mua. I asked about the in-reply-to and message id stuff because pipermail needs the message id to handle threading properly, but I figured I didn't need to worry about message ids with MHonArc since it can thread based on the subject of the message. Thanks for your help, Jim From jtay at YorkU.CA Tue Mar 7 17:05:24 2000 From: jtay at YorkU.CA (Jim Tay) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:05:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? References: <38C41E30.89E2544@yorku.ca> <1097.952396748@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <38C528C4.D9D23AC@yorku.ca> > > I'm debating between using Hypermail and MHonArc now, and one > > thing I like about Hypermail is that it has a "Reply" button on > > each posting so you don't need a copy of the original in your > > mailbox in order to keep your reply in a thread. Does MHonArc do > > this? > > It doesn't do that automatically, but it is a fairly easy task to > setup the RC's to generate a "REPLY" button which POSTs the relevent > data from the message in question to a CGI which then allows a > message to be edited and sent. Why do I need a cgi script? I thought a simple mailto: link would be enough; upon clicking the link the user's mua would execute and from there they can quote the message as they choose. And MHonArc can do threading based on the message subject so the original message id is not needed. At least I think this is the case... > If you're exererienced at all with PHP or Zope, it shouldn't take > you much more than 30 minutes or so. I don't have any experience with these, unfortunately. I'm a bit of a newbie with all of this, actually. Thanks, Jim From lindsey at mallorn.com Tue Mar 7 17:30:22 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:30:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? In-Reply-To: <38C528C4.D9D23AC@yorku.ca> from "Jim Tay" at Mar 07, 2000 11:05:24 AM Message-ID: <200003071630.KAA30595@lorien.mallorn.com> > > It doesn't do that automatically, but it is a fairly easy task to > > setup the RC's to generate a "REPLY" button which POSTs the relevent > > data from the message in question to a CGI which then allows a > > message to be edited and sent. > > Why do I need a cgi script? I thought a simple mailto: link would be > enough; upon clicking the link the user's mua would execute and from > there they can quote the message as they choose. And MHonArc can do > threading based on the message subject so the original message id is not > needed. At least I think this is the case... If you want the user to cut and paste the old message, then insert '> ' to the left or somesuch manually, then yes, MHonArc supports a simple MAILTO: link. But this has really migrated away from the topic of Mailman to MHonArc and is probably better discussed on the MHonArc mailing list. There's a FAQ, etc. at http://www.mhonarc.org/ with subscription information to the list. Regarding threading, MHonArc relies heavily on the References: and In-Reply-To: headers, and *insists* upon a unique Message-Id: header for each message (to the extent of creating one if it doesn't exist). It's true that it does try to do subject-based threading if a message comes in without any reference information, but you'll often run into false positives. Chris From claw at kanga.nu Tue Mar 7 18:38:53 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:38:53 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Tay of "Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:00:36 EST." <38C527A4.657E2831@yorku.ca> References: <38C527A4.657E2831@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <13778.952450733@kanga.nu> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:00:36 -0500 Jim Tay wrote: >> i use this technique to create a Reply mailto link in the >> BOTLINKS section of each message and i use >> listname at mailman.my.domain as the reply address. > Does the new reply get threaded properly in the archive when you > do this? I assume that it would since MHonArc can do threading > based on just the subject, but it would be nice to get some > confirmation. I you insert the appropriate In-Reply-To: header with the MsgID of the original message, yes. >> i saw your other message about netscape, in-reply-to and message >> id, and i assume this is related. i don't know the answer to >> your question about netscape and in-reply-to, but with respect to >> mhonarc, the message id is one of the variables that you can use >> in the mhonarc resources i mentioned above. so, you could >> include the mssage id in the html that mhonarc creates, but i >> don't know how this will be useful to your mua. > I asked about the in-reply-to and message id stuff because > pipermail needs the message id to handle threading properly, but I > figured I didn't need to worry about message ids with MHonArc > since it can thread based on the subject of the message. MHonArc uses several techniques for threading encluding In-Reply-To:, References:, and Subject: line sorting. The idea is that by using them all it has a decent chance of getting it right, or at least close enough for govenment work. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Tue Mar 7 18:41:39 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:41:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Tay of "Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:05:24 EST." <38C528C4.D9D23AC@yorku.ca> References: <38C41E30.89E2544@yorku.ca> <1097.952396748@kanga.nu> <38C528C4.D9D23AC@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <13859.952450899@kanga.nu> On Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:05:24 -0500 Jim Tay wrote: >> It doesn't do that automatically, but it is a fairly easy task to >> setup the RC's to generate a "REPLY" button which POSTs the >> relevent data from the message in question to a CGI which then >> allows a message to be edited and sent. > Why do I need a cgi script? I thought a simple mailto: link would > be enough; upon clicking the link the user's mua would execute and > from there they can quote the message as they choose. And MHonArc > can do threading based on the message subject so the original > message id is not needed. At least I think this is the case... 1) I won't quote the message for them -- they are left ot manually cut'n'paste the message in to quote. 2) It won't put in the appropriate In-Reply-To: or References: header to generate correct threading for either your list members or the archive. 3) MHonArc will be left trying to thread the message based on subject line alone, and thus may or may not get it right (most likely it will get it wrong, but put it near the right place). -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From mrpy at bumppo.net Tue Mar 7 18:51:36 2000 From: mrpy at bumppo.net (Nathaniel Irons) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:51:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? In-Reply-To: <38C527A4.657E2831@yorku.ca> Message-ID: <200003071754.MAA14719@chmls06.mediaone.net> On 3/7/00 at 11:00 AM, jtay at YorkU.CA (Jim Tay) wrote: > > i use this technique to create a Reply mailto link in the BOTLINKS > > section of each message and i use listname at mailman.my.domain as the > > reply address. > > Does the new reply get threaded properly in the archive when you do > this? I assume that it would since MHonArc can do threading based on > just the subject, but it would be nice to get some confirmation. Yes, unless you've gone and disabled the SUBJECTTHREADS resource. It's a less than optimal threading mechanism, because MHonArc can't be as precise about where in the thread the message should be located, but it'll work. -nat From sam at unah.hondunet.net Wed Mar 8 01:44:36 2000 From: sam at unah.hondunet.net (Sergio A. Murillo) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:44:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains Message-ID: I've been trying to configure Mailman to work with a virtual domain on a web server with serveral virtual domains. I read William R. Dickson sugestion of installing a copy of mailman for each of the virtual domains. How do i do this?/?? I've been traying all week now and still no luck... This is what I have. BTW my server is a Redhat 6.1 Pro with SecureWeb 3.01 apples.com has mailing lists (which works fine). This domain is the "main domain" (not a virtual domain) The Root directory is /www/apples.com/html Now I have a virtual domain, oranges.com and this is in /www/oranges.com/html OK... The original mailman installed in /usr/share/mailman. The second mailman went to /www/oranges.com/mailman. The idea is to setup all the mailman (mailmen?) on the /www/virtual.domain.com/mailman How Can I tell them apart on the httpd.conf??? Can you add several Scriptalias as /mailman/ ??? How can I make one mailling list to go out (and come back) as appples.com and oranges.com?? Do I work with virtual mailing users instead of aliases or do I use both? Can you please help me? if not can you refer me to someone who can... Thank in advanced!!! __________________________________________ Sergio A. Murillo sam at unah.hondunet.net From jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu Wed Mar 8 03:47:23 2000 From: jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu (Joan Coyne) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator password not working after Installation Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000307214723.00a62c50@pop.ne.mediaone.net> I posted a question earlier about problems with my passwords not working after I installed mailman. I figured out my problem: I had to set USE_CRYPT to 0 in the defaults.py file and reset the password. I just thought I would post this solution for the next person who has this problem, since I didn't find this in the archives anywhere. Joan From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au Wed Mar 8 07:57:21 2000 From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:57:21 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains In-Reply-To: ; from sam@unah.hondunet.net on Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 06:44:36PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20000308175721.A8111@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> Sergio A. Murillo wrote: > I've been trying to configure Mailman to work with a virtual domain on a web > server with serveral virtual domains. I read William R. Dickson sugestion > of installing a copy of mailman for each of the virtual domains. > How do i do this?/?? I've been traying all week now and still no luck... You have to build Mailman multiple times, each time with a diferent --prefix= configuration. (Maybe /var/mailman/domain1.moredomain, /var/mailman/domain2.moredomain2, etc.). Don't forget to change Mailmam/mm_cfg.py appropriately in each installation! Of course you need an MTA with virtual domain support (I've got it working with qmail or postfix), to feed mail to each domain to the right scripts in each installation. This is really ugly if you've got a lot of domains, because not just the list information but also all the scripts have to be duplicated. Danny. From bug at aphid.net Wed Mar 8 08:07:17 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:07:17 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains In-Reply-To: <20000308175721.A8111@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>; from danny@anatomy.usyd.edu.au on Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 05:57:21PM +1100 References: <20000308175721.A8111@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000308180717.D15620@buggy.aphid.net> Wrote Danny Yee on Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 05:57:21PM +1100: > Sergio A. Murillo wrote: > > I've been trying to configure Mailman to work with a virtual domain on a web > > server with serveral virtual domains. I read William R. Dickson sugestion > > of installing a copy of mailman for each of the virtual domains. > > How do i do this?/?? I've been traying all week now and still no luck... > > You have to build Mailman multiple times, each time with a diferent > --prefix= configuration. (Maybe /var/mailman/domain1.moredomain, > /var/mailman/domain2.moredomain2, etc.). Don't forget to change > Mailmam/mm_cfg.py appropriately in each installation! Of course you > need an MTA with virtual domain support (I've got it working with qmail > or postfix), to feed mail to each domain to the right scripts in each > installation. > > This is really ugly if you've got a lot of domains, because not just > the list information but also all the scripts have to be duplicated. Is anyone working on expanding the virtual domain support? Chuck From david.sexton at sapphire.net Wed Mar 8 16:48:07 2000 From: david.sexton at sapphire.net (David Sexton) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:48:07 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains References: Message-ID: <38C67637.A1777A01@sapphire.net> "Sergio A. Murillo" wrote: > > I've been trying to configure Mailman to work with a virtual domain on a web > server with serveral virtual domains. I read William R. Dickson sugestion > of installing a copy of mailman for each of the virtual domains. > How do i do this?/?? I've been traying all week now and still no luck... This is the way I have it done (I'm not 100% certain of the security/reliability of this but it has worked so far): I have one user set-up purely for mailman and mailman is installed in that user's directory & web space. All the administration for the lists are done through this one URL (although it may be possible to put wrappers around this). Onto the 'meat'... I'm assuming that you have set up the mail aliases and virtual user table in the following manner:- virtusertable: @ list- -admin@ list--admin -request@ list--request -owner@ list--admin aliases: list-: "|wrapper post " list--admin: "|wrapper mailowner " list--request: "|wrapper mailcmd " To change the domain of the list, you would go into the admin screen and change the host name of the list. This will allow you to successfully set-up & use list1 at domain1.com & list2 at domain2.com. Is this perfect? No. This would work until you needed two lists of the same 'name' eg: announce at domain1.com and announce at domain2.com A workaround for this is to embed the domain name into the list name and create lists like the following:- domain1-com-announce & domain2-com-announce This now looks really clunky as the list would be at domain1-com-announce at domain1.com etc. But .. if you mangle the entries in virtusertable, incoming mail works .... virtusertable announce at domain1.com list-domain1-com-announce announce at domain2.com list-domain2-com-announce .. do a similar thing for the request & admin etc. addresses. aliases list-domain1-com-announce: "|wrapper post domain1-com-announce" list-domain2-com-announce: "|wrapper post domain2-com-announce" Now we're *almost* there. The addresses that mailman puts into messages it sends out will contain the full list name (domain2-com-announce at domain2) , not the short version you want. Back in the mailman admin screens, there is a field that in the public name of a list. It seems to indicate that mailman will use this name when generating addresses but changing this only does half the job. I've hacked around a bit with MailList.py and got much better reults. If you apply the attached patch and change the 'public name' for the lists, it should work. ** NOTE ** I have very little experience of Python (I'm a perler at heart) and almost no appreciation of the structure of Mailman so I cannot guarrantee that these changes will not foul everything up. The docs say that you should not change the public name of a list and, although it is working so far, I am not totally sure of the implications of this. Hope this helps, Dave -- David Sexton Network Technician Sapphire Technologies Ltd. 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Sapphire Technologies Ltd http://www.sapphire.net -------------- next part -------------- --- MailList.py Sat Oct 30 02:11:48 1999 +++ /home/sites/home/users/admin/MailList.py Thu Feb 3 08:55:24 2000 @@ -117,7 +117,7 @@ self.members[string.lower(addr)] = addr def GetAdminEmail(self): - return '%s-admin@%s' % (self._internal_name, self.host_name) + return '%s-admin@%s' % (string.lower(self.real_name), self.host_name) def GetMemberAdminEmail(self, member): """Usually the member addr, but modified for umbrella lists. @@ -159,15 +159,15 @@ return None def GetRequestEmail(self): - return '%s-request@%s' % (self._internal_name, self.host_name) + return '%s-request@%s' % (string.lower(self.real_name), self.host_name) def GetListEmail(self): - return '%s@%s' % (self._internal_name, self.host_name) + return '%s@%s' % (string.lower(self.real_name), self.host_name) def GetListIdentifier(self): """Return the unique (RFC draft-chandhok-listid-02) identifier.""" return ("%s <%s.%s>" % - (self.description, self._internal_name, self.host_name)) + (self.description, string.lower(self.real_name), self.host_name)) def GetRelativeScriptURL(self, script_name): prefix = '../' * Utils.GetNestingLevel() From feitsch at yline.com Wed Mar 8 19:35:14 2000 From: feitsch at yline.com (Karl Feitsch) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:35:14 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Vorstellen Message-ID: <002201bf892d$21f06700$f38c08c2@aptivacomputer> Mein Name ist Doris Feitsch. Ich studiere derzeit HW und bin im zweiten Semester. Leider habe ich das erste Semester nicht so gut abgeschlossen, aber ich hoffe, da? es dieses Semester besser wird. Neben dem Studium bin ich in der PSK als Teilzeitkraft t?tig. Meine Interessen gelten derzeit haupts?chlich der Uni. Allerdings unfreiwillig! In meiner Freizeit gehe haupts?chlich mit Freunden fort. Sonst habe ich eigentlich keine besonderen Hobbies, au?er im Winter vielleicht Ski- fahren zu gehen oder im Sommer schwimmen. Au?erdem reise ich gerne. Sonst f?llt mir im Moment nichts ein. Also dann Ciao -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000308/6a30f0fd/attachment.html From jkennedy at pwvs.com Wed Mar 8 20:06:16 2000 From: jkennedy at pwvs.com (Jason Kennedy) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:06:16 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim and mailman Message-ID: <80128BE3E124D3118A6C00805F859C4001076A89@PEXCH> I have edited my exim.conf to what is on the exim.org web page. But I think I need a aliases entry for my new lists. They don't seem to be created with newlist. What would a sample aliases for a list look like what would the list point to? From mentor at alb-net.com Wed Mar 8 22:38:22 2000 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:38:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] issues with sendmai-8.10.0 ? Message-ID: Hi, Are there any known issues running Mailman 1.1 with sendmail v8.10.0? Sendmail 8.10.0 has restructured its /var/spool/mqueue directory. It creates subdirectories under /var/spool/mqueue . I though that this might have a problem with run_queue ?? thanks, Mentor From ptomblin at xcski.com Wed Mar 8 23:46:08 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 17:46:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] issues with sendmai-8.10.0 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000308174608.F12311@xcski.com> Quoting Mentor Cana (mentor at alb-net.com): > Hi, > > Are there any known issues running Mailman 1.1 with sendmail v8.10.0? > > Sendmail 8.10.0 has restructured its /var/spool/mqueue directory. It > creates subdirectories under /var/spool/mqueue . > > I though that this might have a problem with run_queue ?? mailman doesn't care that I'm using postfix, and it doesn't put stuff in /var/spool/mqueue at all. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." --Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 From jwt at dskk.co.jp Thu Mar 9 08:35:35 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:35:35 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] exim and mailman In-Reply-To: <80128BE3E124D3118A6C00805F859C4001076A89@PEXCH>; from jkennedy@pwvs.com on Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 01:06:16PM -0600 References: <80128BE3E124D3118A6C00805F859C4001076A89@PEXCH> Message-ID: <20000309163535.A21018@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 01:06:16PM -0600, Jason Kennedy wrote: > I have edited my exim.conf to what is on the exim.org web page. But > I think I need a aliases entry for my new lists. They don't seem to be No, the "magic" of this type of solution is that the Exim directors detect the existence of the mailing list's config.db file to send mail to your list. Just creating the list is enough. No separate per-list aliases are required. http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html Jim P.S. You might double-check the path to your MAILMAN_HOME directory. 'exim -d9 -bt my-list' may also provide some clues why my-list isn't being recognized by your Exim configuration. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From webeditor at aslo.org Thu Mar 9 16:18:50 2000 From: webeditor at aslo.org (Paul Kemp) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:18:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interface configuration changes don't stick Message-ID: <38C7C0DA.FEF4F390@aslo.org> I have been running into a strange problem. I run a number of mailing lists for an aquatic science research society, and in general the lists work very well. However, when I change the configuration files the changes do not stay. In particular, the list name, description, and the subject line prefix fields are blank when I check back, after entering information and submitting them through the web form interface. Any ideas why? Paul Kemp From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Thu Mar 9 17:59:24 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:59:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages Message-ID: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> All - Looking in my bounce log I see messages such as: Mar 09 04:39:18 2000 (21579) ibm-linux-tech: user52 at us.ibm.com - 0 more allowed over 426794 secs My best understanding of this is that 'user52' will no longer get email? I've received no warning of removals from the list due to bouncing and using find_memebers shows this user still on the list. Anyone have a clue as to the real meaning of these messages? No other errors are logged and everything else appears to be running fine... -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From ashp at bastard.co.uk Thu Mar 9 17:17:05 2000 From: ashp at bastard.co.uk (Ashley Penney) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:17:05 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages In-Reply-To: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 11:59:24AM -0500 References: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20000309171705.A4494@zoe.ip.versatel.net> On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 11:59:24AM -0500, Scott Russell spoketh: : All - : : Looking in my bounce log I see messages such as: : : Mar 09 04:39:18 2000 (21579) ibm-linux-tech: user52 at us.ibm.com - 0 more allowed over 426794 : secs : : My best understanding of this is that 'user52' will no longer get email? I've received no : warning of removals from the list due to bouncing and using find_memebers shows this user : still on the list. : : Anyone have a clue as to the real meaning of these messages? No other errors are logged and : everything else appears to be running fine... This issue is stopping me from using mailman, I am currently attempting to move to majordomo. I've had nothing but bad luck with mailman. I hate to be negative and not contribute any patches, but when we looked at the code we failed to work out the problem. I'm using about a week old CVS if that's any help. :) -- ashp From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Thu Mar 9 18:25:05 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:25:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages In-Reply-To: <20000309171705.A4494@zoe.ip.versatel.net>; from ashp@bastard.co.uk on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 05:17:05PM +0100 References: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309171705.A4494@zoe.ip.versatel.net> Message-ID: <20000309122505.A14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Ashley - Maybe you could clairify the issue for me? I see these messages in my bounce log but according to my maillog best I can tell is these users are still gettting mail. Do you know what it is these messages mean? What exactly are you seeing?? -- Scott On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 05:17:05PM +0100, Ashley Penney wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 11:59:24AM -0500, Scott Russell spoketh: > : All - > : > : Looking in my bounce log I see messages such as: > : > : Mar 09 04:39:18 2000 (21579) ibm-linux-tech: user52 at us.ibm.com - 0 more allowed over 426794 > : secs > : > : My best understanding of this is that 'user52' will no longer get email? I've received no > : warning of removals from the list due to bouncing and using find_memebers shows this user > : still on the list. > : > : Anyone have a clue as to the real meaning of these messages? No other errors are logged and > : everything else appears to be running fine... > > This issue is stopping me from using mailman, I am currently attempting to > move to majordomo. I've had nothing but bad luck with mailman. I hate to > be negative and not contribute any patches, but when we looked at the code > we failed to work out the problem. > > I'm using about a week old CVS if that's any help. :) > > -- > ashp > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416 Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543 From ashp at bastard.co.uk Thu Mar 9 18:36:35 2000 From: ashp at bastard.co.uk (Ashley Penney) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:36:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages In-Reply-To: <20000309122505.A14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 12:25:05PM -0500 References: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309171705.A4494@zoe.ip.versatel.net> <20000309122505.A14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20000309183635.A4756@zoe.ip.versatel.net> On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 12:25:05PM -0500, Scott Russell spoketh: : Ashley - : : Maybe you could clairify the issue for me? I see these messages in my bounce log but according : to my maillog best I can tell is these users are still gettting mail. Do you know what it is : these messages mean? What exactly are you seeing?? Basically I added a bunch of users to a mailing list (rather than having them subscribe themselfs. Now when I try to send mail, only I (the first listed address) actually gets the mail, the rest get that weird bounce error, and *don't* recieve the mail. That was the big difference.. Mar 04 09:44:42 2000 (30932) Chat: sabri at vuurwerk.nl - 0 more allowed over 311388 secs That's the errors I get, but for all other users. I have no idea what they mean, or why I get them. 1.1 never did this, but CVS seems to. I had to move from 1.1 because it wouldn't close the scripts after sending. Mailman has huge potential, and I'd love to be able to use it at the place I start work on Monday, but unless a developer or someone can tell me this was a known problem, and has been fixed, I can't. Which is a shame. :( -- ashp From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Thu Mar 9 18:44:57 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:44:57 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages In-Reply-To: <20000309183635.A4756@zoe.ip.versatel.net>; from ashp@bastard.co.uk on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:36:35PM +0100 References: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309171705.A4494@zoe.ip.versatel.net> <20000309122505.A14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309183635.A4756@zoe.ip.versatel.net> Message-ID: <20000309184457.K2799@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:36:35PM +0100, Ashley Penney wrote: > Mar 04 09:44:42 2000 (30932) Chat: sabri at vuurwerk.nl - 0 more allowed over 311388 secs > > That's the errors I get, but for all other users. What does the log of your MTA (sendmail, postfix, qmail) say? Somehow this looks like a timeout to me. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb So unleash your nmap-from-hell and beware, you may tickle an obscure bug in an ancient box hand-built by Seymour Cray himself, the only one of its kind ever made, whose sole user pays the salaries of everyone you ever met in the entire time you worked at the company, with money he makes with an investment strategy hand-coded in assembler for this special machine, by an analytic wizard who has since died. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 376 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000309/25451fbf/attachment.pgp From ashp at bastard.co.uk Thu Mar 9 19:05:49 2000 From: ashp at bastard.co.uk (Ashley Penney) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:05:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages Message-ID: <20000309190549.A4956@zoe.ip.versatel.net> Well, from what I can see I was getting: Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.441186 starting delivery 1092: msg 179616 t o local chat at bastard.co.uk Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.441303 status: local 9/10 remote 0/20 Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.441445 starting delivery 1093: msg 179621 t o local ashp at bastard.co.uk Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.441545 status: local 10/10 remote 0/20 Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.546626 delivery 3: deferral: Terminated/ Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.549885 status: local 9/10 remote 0/20 Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.550357 delivery 13: deferral: Terminated/ Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.550619 status: local 8/10 remote 0/20 Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.550906 delivery 258: deferral: Terminated/ Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.551173 status: local 7/10 remote 0/20 Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.552485 delivery 272: deferral: Terminated/ Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.552859 status: local 6/10 remote 0/20 Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.553485 delivery 284: deferral: Terminated/ Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.554104 status: local 5/10 remote 0/20 Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.554618 delivery 297: deferral: Terminated/ Mar 2 23:11:13 zoe qmail: 952035073.555052 status: local 4/10 remote 0/20 If it helps, I can switch over to exim for testing purposes, and try with that? :) -- ashp From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Thu Mar 9 20:10:44 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages In-Reply-To: <20000309183635.A4756@zoe.ip.versatel.net>; from ashp@bastard.co.uk on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:36:35PM +0100 References: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309171705.A4494@zoe.ip.versatel.net> <20000309122505.A14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309183635.A4756@zoe.ip.versatel.net> Message-ID: <20000309141044.B14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> Ashley / All - Okay, this helps a bit. I also am using the CVS version from week 02/23/00. I didn't see any of these messages until March 6th, 2wks after I used add_members to subscribe people to the list. (I didn't use the web interface.) I saw one of these messages on the 6th, three on the 8th, and more than 25 on the 9th (today). I'm was looking for more patterns and notice this: Mar 09 03:19:47 2000 (18491) ibm-linux-tech: joe_user at us.ibm.com - 2 more allowed over 431565 secs Mar 09 04:25:16 2000 (20501) ibm-linux-tech: joe_user at us.ibm.com - 0 more allowed over 427636 secs What's caught my eye here is that this user went from 2 more allowable bounces to 0 allowable bounces over the last hour. What happend to 1 more allowable? Here are my bounce settings for this list. I've verified that I do not get more than 20msgs per hour by checking the time stamps in the archives. Min days an addr has been Unreachable: 5 Min posts to list since first bounce before removal: 3 Max msgs list gets in an hour: 20 Action when crit / excessive bounces detected: Disable and Notify Question: Does anyone know how to reset these counters for all users on a list? Perhaps through the withlist shell? -- Scott On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:36:35PM +0100, Ashley Penney wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 12:25:05PM -0500, Scott Russell spoketh: > : Ashley - > : > : Maybe you could clairify the issue for me? I see these messages in my bounce log but according > : to my maillog best I can tell is these users are still gettting mail. Do you know what it is > : these messages mean? What exactly are you seeing?? > > Basically I added a bunch of users to a mailing list (rather than having > them subscribe themselfs. Now when I try to send mail, only I (the first > listed address) actually gets the mail, the rest get that weird bounce > error, and *don't* recieve the mail. That was the big difference.. > > Mar 04 09:44:42 2000 (30932) Chat: sabri at vuurwerk.nl - 0 more allowed over 311388 secs > > That's the errors I get, but for all other users. > > I have no idea what they mean, or why I get them. 1.1 never did this, but > CVS seems to. I had to move from 1.1 because it wouldn't close the scripts > after sending. > > Mailman has huge potential, and I'd love to be able to use it at the place > I start work on Monday, but unless a developer or someone can tell me this > was a known problem, and has been fixed, I can't. Which is a shame. :( > > -- > ashp > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416 Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543 From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Thu Mar 9 20:31:53 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:31:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bounce logs messages In-Reply-To: <20000309184457.K2799@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>; from R.Hildebrandt@tu-bs.de on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:44:57PM +0100 References: <20000309115924.A13287@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309171705.A4494@zoe.ip.versatel.net> <20000309122505.A14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000309183635.A4756@zoe.ip.versatel.net> <20000309184457.K2799@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <20000309143153.C14229@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> All - If it helps my MTA is postfix version 19990906_pl08. My /var/log/maillog shows good deliveries for several of the recent 'bounces' that have showed up in my mailman bounce log. -- Scott On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:44:57PM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 06:36:35PM +0100, Ashley Penney wrote: > > > Mar 04 09:44:42 2000 (30932) Chat: sabri at vuurwerk.nl - 0 more allowed over 311388 secs > > > > That's the errors I get, but for all other users. > > What does the log of your MTA (sendmail, postfix, qmail) say? > Somehow this looks like a timeout to me. > > -- > Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb > So unleash your nmap-from-hell and beware, you may tickle an obscure > bug in an ancient box hand-built by Seymour Cray himself, the only one > of its kind ever made, whose sole user pays the salaries of everyone > you ever met in the entire time you worked at the company, with money > he makes with an investment strategy hand-coded in assembler for this > special machine, by an analytic wizard who has since died. > -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From bartjan at vrielink.net Thu Mar 9 21:21:07 2000 From: bartjan at vrielink.net (Bart-Jan Vrielink) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:21:07 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip (fwd) Message-ID: Hello, Having no previous experience with Python, I don't know what to do to fix this error message. This is mailman version 1.1 (05-Nov-1999) using Python 1.5.1 on a RedHat 5.2/Alpha system. -- Tot ziens, Bart-Jan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:27:01 +0100 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman at mail.bhms-groep.nl Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt') AttributeError: strptime From ptomblin at xcski.com Thu Mar 9 21:35:44 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:35:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000309153544.A20511@xcski.com> Quoting Bart-Jan Vrielink (bartjan at vrielink.net): > Hello, > > Having no previous experience with Python, I don't know what to do to fix > this error message. > > This is mailman version 1.1 (05-Nov-1999) using Python 1.5.1 on a RedHat > 5.2/Alpha system. > > -- > Tot ziens, > > Bart-Jan > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:27:01 +0100 > From: Cron Daemon > To: mailman at mail.bhms-groep.nl > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python > /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main > time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt') > AttributeError: strptime This is a FAQ. The python 1.5.1 package that shipped with RedHat has a bug - you have to get the updated one from updates.redhat.com. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "I'm fairly sure Linux exists principally because writing an operating system probably seems like a good way to pass the months of darkness in Finland" - Rodger Donaldson From psoskin at mixmail.com Sat Mar 11 10:57:05 2000 From: psoskin at mixmail.com (sebas) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:57:05 -1300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] i need information Message-ID: <20000310095705.HM.20000000000Up31@mixmail.com> I AM PEDRO SOSKIN FOR THE USERS I HAVE WINDOWS NT 4.0 I HAVE INSTALLED ACTIVE PERL FOR WIN-32 IN THE PATH: C:\PERL\BIN\PERL.EXE the question!! my first line of single.cgi is #!/usr/local/bin/perl5 i need change to: #!c:\perl\bin\perl ????? OR !c:\perl\bin\perl ????? OTHERS: how run my mailman on my web server ? SEND ME PLEASEE ALL FILES WROTE IN PERL EXAMPLE: "mmcgilib.pl" THANKS I WAIT YOUR RESPONSE. Tu correo gratis en MixMail http://www.mixmail.com Inicia tu navegacion en http://www.ya.com From tmadron at ewc-inc.com Fri Mar 10 18:18:56 2000 From: tmadron at ewc-inc.com (Tom Madron) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:18:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown mailer error 1 Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> We have been unable to get Mailman operational. We're running on a Linux machine (Kernel 2.0.35) with the commercial version of Sendmail 8.9.2. We get a persistent "Unknown mailer error 1" error message. The transcript of our latest effort follows: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ? mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1]) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock self.__lock.lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 1 We're obviously not finding a file/directory that is required. Has anyone run into a similar problem and, if so, have you found a fix? Is there a python option that will allow the testing of "self.__tmpfname" that will avoid the "file not found" error? Thanks, Tom Madron ==================================================================== Tom Madron Telephone: 1-732-274-9616; FAX: 1-732-274-9615 Enterprise-Wide Computing, Inc. P.O. Box 931; 417 Georges Road tmadron at ewc-inc.com; URL: http://www.ewcnet.com Dayton, NJ 08810 ==================================================================== From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Fri Mar 10 18:31:00 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:31:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server>; from tmadron@ewc-inc.com on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:18:56PM -0500 References: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> Message-ID: <20000310183100.P26914@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:18:56PM -0500, Tom Madron wrote: > os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 1 Does /home/mailman/mail/wrapper exist? Do you use smrsh for execution of programs from .forward? -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb BTW, did you notice that your word-wrapping algorithm sucks? From tmadron at ewc-inc.com Fri Mar 10 18:39:05 2000 From: tmadron at ewc-inc.com (Tom Madron) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:39:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: <20000310183100.P26914@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> References: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000310123628.00be0db0@server> /home/mailman/mail/wrapper exits. We do not use smrsh, although I have tried it both ways, enabling Sendmail to use smrsh and following the suggestions in the Mailman documentation. I've now taken it back to our normal operating mode which is not to use smrsh. Thanks, Tom At 06:31 PM 03/10/2000 +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: >On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:18:56PM -0500, Tom Madron wrote: > > > os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') > > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 1 > >Does /home/mailman/mail/wrapper exist? >Do you use smrsh for execution of programs from .forward? > >-- >Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb >BTW, did you notice that your word-wrapping algorithm sucks? > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ==================================================================== Tom Madron Telephone: 1-732-274-9616; FAX: 1-732-274-9615 Enterprise-Wide Computing, Inc. P.O. Box 931; 417 Georges Road tmadron at ewc-inc.com; URL: http://www.ewcnet.com Dayton, NJ 08810 ==================================================================== From quent at level3.net Fri Mar 10 18:57:22 2000 From: quent at level3.net (Quent Johnson) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:57:22 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000310123628.00be0db0@server>; from Tom Madron on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:39:05PM -0500 References: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> <20000310183100.P26914@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <4.2.2.20000310123628.00be0db0@server> Message-ID: <20000310105722.B18390@level3.net> I've had the same problem; it's a file locking bug of some sort. Upgrading to the current CVS version of Mailman seemed to fix most of the problems. Changing the "outgoing number of connections" option, for the lists that were getting that error, from 5 to 1 cleared up the rest of the problems. Quent Johnson On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:39:05PM -0500, Tom Madron wrote: > /home/mailman/mail/wrapper exits. > We do not use smrsh, although I have tried it both ways, enabling Sendmail > to use smrsh and following the suggestions in the Mailman > documentation. I've now taken it back to our normal operating mode which > is not to use smrsh. > > Thanks, > > Tom > > At 06:31 PM 03/10/2000 +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > >On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 12:18:56PM -0500, Tom Madron wrote: > > > > > os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') > > > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 1 > > > >Does /home/mailman/mail/wrapper exist? > >Do you use smrsh for execution of programs from .forward? > > > >-- > >Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb > >BTW, did you notice that your word-wrapping algorithm sucks? > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ==================================================================== > Tom Madron Telephone: 1-732-274-9616; FAX: 1-732-274-9615 > Enterprise-Wide Computing, Inc. P.O. Box 931; 417 Georges Road > tmadron at ewc-inc.com; URL: http://www.ewcnet.com Dayton, NJ 08810 > ==================================================================== > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From petro at atypon.com Fri Mar 10 19:47:22 2000 From: petro at atypon.com (Christopher C. Petro) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:47:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> References: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> Message-ID: >We have been unable to get Mailman operational. We're running on a >Linux machine (Kernel 2.0.35) with the commercial version of >Sendmail 8.9.2. We get a persistent "Unknown mailer error 1" error >message. The transcript of our latest effort follows: When doing the /configure did you set --with-mail-gid properly? IIRC, the first time I installed mailman (well, more than that but...) I didn't set this, and this was one of the messages I received. -- We have only come here seeking knowledge Things they would not teach us of in college.--The Police http://www.atypon.com petro at atypon.com From srdjans at digitalpersona.com Fri Mar 10 20:45:16 2000 From: srdjans at digitalpersona.com (Srdjan Sobajic) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:45:16 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie: Mailman with MS Exchange Server Message-ID: Hello, As far as I can tell, this question hasn't been addressed anywhere in the docs or the mailing-list before, but if it has, please tell me where to RTFM. Anyways, I'm trying to set up Mailman on linux box which is running in a WinNT domain and which has an Exchange Mail Server running. I've set up Mailman (mostly), and I can create lists which are accessible over our local LAN. After I run ./newlist and give it the list name (dp) and my email address (srdjans-at-digitalpersona.com) I get the request for confirming the subscription in my Outlook Inbox. This comes From: dp-request at digitalpersona.com Now I have asked my sysadmin to setup a mail account on the exchange server with this name (dp-request, for example), and I can reply to it without problems. My question is how do I "connect" this MS Exchange account to Mailman?? (I don't understand all the concepts behind mailman's internals, so this question may be very stupid...) I've looked through most of the files in $prefix/Mailman/*.py but only Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py seem appropriate to make any modifications to... and I have no idea as to what to change. If you have any input as to how this may be accomplished, please let me know. Thanks, Srdjan Sobajic DigitalPersona, Inc. P.S. I've noticed that if I set the SMTPHOST value to 'localhost' then what I described above works fine. If I set it to the name of our exchange mail server, then it doesn't send any mail out... Maybe I've gotten something else setup wrong. From barteet at sscf.ucsb.edu Fri Mar 10 20:48:19 2000 From: barteet at sscf.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Barteet) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:48:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change default URL from listinfo.cgi ? Message-ID: Hi, Folks, I've been using mailman for almost a year with no problems and great results. Kudos to the creators! Right now, for my users to see the mailman 'home' page with a list of the publicly advertised lists, I give them the URL: http:///mailman/listinfo.cgi What I'd like to do is shorten this to: http:///mailman I've tried a few things, redirect, links, Scriptaliases and the like, but I haven't hit on the right solution. No doubt others have figured it out. Care to share the 'secret?' Thanks, -jeffrey barteet From tfarid at riedc.com Fri Mar 10 20:54:53 2000 From: tfarid at riedc.com (Farid, Tarek) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:54:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help Message-ID: <797956E7585DD211857F0060943F032444903A@printra01.riedc.com> I am having tough time getting my mailman installation on a Red Hat Linux 6.1 PC to work. Everything seems to be working except posting to the list. I traced the problem to the delivery subsystem response, which follows: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:06:09 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: postmaster at prlx01.riedc.com Subject: Postmaster notify: Service unavailable Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 10 lines Text 2 Shown 363 bytes Message, "Delivery Status" 3 Shown 2.4 KB Message, "Returned mail: Service unavailable" 3.1 Shown 10 lines Text 3.2 Shown 354 bytes Message, "Delivery Status" 3.3 Shown 839 bytes Message, "test 2" 3.3.1 Shown 10 lines Text (charset: ISO-8859-1) ---------------------------------------- The original message was received at Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:06:09 -0500 from localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" (expanded from: test-admin) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... Service unavailable [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; prlx01.riedc.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; printra01.riedc.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:06:09 -0500 Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-admin at prlx01.riedc.com X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test at prlx01.riedc.com Action: failed Status: 5.5.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:06:09 -0500 [ Part 3: "Included Message" ] Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:06:09 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: test-admin Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable The original message was received at Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:06:09 -0500 from printra01.riedc.com [204.17.114.7] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable [ Part 3.2: "Delivery Status" ] I have a feeling it has to do with the way I defined the aliases in /etc/aliases for my list. Or a permissions problem. I am not sure. Please help. Thanks... Tarek From ptomblin at xcski.com Fri Mar 10 21:13:59 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:13:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help In-Reply-To: <797956E7585DD211857F0060943F032444903A@printra01.riedc.com> References: <797956E7585DD211857F0060943F032444903A@printra01.riedc.com> Message-ID: <20000310151359.B32339@xcski.com> Quoting Farid, Tarek (tfarid at riedc.com): > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... Service unavailable Look in the install docs for that very message, and/or the word "smrsh". This is an extremely frequently asked question, and yet it's answered in the very first document you should be reading. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones From tmadron at ewc-inc.com Fri Mar 10 21:45:13 2000 From: tmadron at ewc-inc.com (Tom Madron) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:45:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000310154239.00be4b90@server> Yes, I did the --with-mail-gid parameter. When that is not set properly the response is similar to what is suggested int he documentation for Mailman with an "Unknown mailer error 2" along with a notice about the wrong gid. By the way, I can pipe a file through the same path to wrapper that is specified in the aliases file and no errors are generated. Tom At 10:47 AM 03/10/2000 -0800, Christopher C. Petro wrote: >>We have been unable to get Mailman operational. We're running on a >>Linux machine (Kernel 2.0.35) with the commercial version of Sendmail >>8.9.2. We get a persistent "Unknown mailer error 1" error message. The >>transcript of our latest effort follows: > > When doing the /configure did you set --with-mail-gid properly? > IIRC, the first time I installed mailman (well, more than that but...) I > didn't set this, and this was one of the messages I received. >-- >We have only come here seeking knowledge >Things they would not teach us of in college.--The Police > >http://www.atypon.com petro at atypon.com > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ==================================================================== Tom Madron Telephone: 1-732-274-9616; FAX: 1-732-274-9615 Enterprise-Wide Computing, Inc. P.O. Box 931; 417 Georges Road tmadron at ewc-inc.com; URL: http://www.ewcnet.com Dayton, NJ 08810 ==================================================================== From jeremyl at vicnet.net.au Fri Mar 10 23:16:17 2000 From: jeremyl at vicnet.net.au (Jeremy Lunn) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:16:17 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Change default URL from listinfo.cgi ? In-Reply-To: ; from barteet@sscf.ucsb.edu on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 11:48:19AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20000311091617.A20590@dark.net> On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 11:48:19AM -0800, Jeffrey Barteet wrote: > Hi, Folks, > > I've been using mailman for almost a year with no problems and great > results. > > Kudos to the creators! > > Right now, for my users to see the mailman 'home' page with a list of the > publicly advertised lists, I give them the URL: > > http:///mailman/listinfo.cgi > > What I'd like to do is shorten this to: > > http:///mailman > > I've tried a few things, redirect, links, Scriptaliases and the like, but > I haven't hit on the right solution. > > No doubt others have figured it out. > > Care to share the 'secret?' > > Thanks, > > -jeffrey barteet > > Well, one way you could do it is like this... go into /etc/apache/access.conf or wherever it is on your system and then add this: DirectoryIndex listinfo.cgi Maybe that isn't the best way. If someone knows something better please say so. I guess another thing you could do is make DirectoryIndex something like index.cgi and have a symbolic link. Oh and I'm not too sure if that should be /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman or /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin. -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia ICQ: 19255837 From sam at unah.hondunet.net Sat Mar 11 01:40:39 2000 From: sam at unah.hondunet.net (Sergio Murillo) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:40:39 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] More Vitual Domain Blues Message-ID: <200003110042.TAA08884@lenz.unah.hondunet.net> I'm getting the folowing message when I try to confirm my list registration. The original message was received at Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:21:16 -0600 from IDENT:root at lenz.unah.hondunet.net [200.3.227.43] ? ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ? ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... User unknown ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- Reporting-MTA: dns; ns.marrder.org Received-From-MTA: DNS; lenz.unah.hondunet.net Arrival-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:21:16 -0600 Final-Recipient: RFC822; Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:21:25 -0600 Any Ideas? I'm using linux RH6.1 and added the virtual users first using linuxconf. This added the file aliases.domain.com dev-request: list-dev-request etc... Nothing Then I edited /etc/mail/virtualmailuser dev-request at domain.com: list-dev-request etc... I did this with and without the trailing ':'... as your example didn;t have it. Of course I have the aliases list-dev-request: "|/usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dev" I've done the 'newaliases' command and the '/etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail restart' Still nothing... Any ideas? Sergio -----Original Message----- From: David Sexton Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:02:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains >"Sergio A. Murillo" wrote: >> >> I've been trying to configure Mailman to work with a virtual domain >on a web >> server with serveral virtual domains. I read William R. Dickson >sugestion >> of installing a copy of mailman for each of the virtual domains. >> How do i do this?/?? I've been traying all week now and still no >luck... > > This is the way I have it done (I'm not 100% certain of the >security/reliability of this but it has worked so far): > > I have one user set-up purely for mailman and mailman is installed in >that user's directory & web space. All the administration for the >lists >are done through this one URL (although it may be possible to put >wrappers around this). > > Onto the 'meat'... > > I'm assuming that you have set up the mail aliases and virtual user >table in the following manner:- > > virtusertable: > > @ list- > -admin@ list--admin > -request@ list--request > -owner@ list--admin > > aliases: > > list-: "|wrapper post " > list--admin: "|wrapper mailowner " > list--request: "|wrapper mailcmd " > > To change the domain of the list, you would go into the admin screen >and change the host name of the list. This will allow you to >successfully set-up & use list1 at domain1.com & list2 at domain2.com. > > Is this perfect? No. > > This would work until you needed two lists of the same 'name' eg: > announce at domain1.com and announce at domain2.com > > A workaround for this is to embed the domain name into the list name >and create lists like the following:- > domain1-com-announce & domain2-com-announce > > This now looks really clunky as the list would be at >domain1-com-announce at domain1.com etc. > > But .. if you mangle the entries in virtusertable, incoming mail >works >.... > > virtusertable > announce at domain1.com list-domain1-com-announce > announce at domain2.com list-domain2-com-announce > .. do a similar thing for the request & admin etc. addresses. > > aliases > list-domain1-com-announce: "|wrapper post domain1-com- announce" > list-domain2-com-announce: "|wrapper post domain2-com- announce" > > > Now we're *almost* there. The addresses that mailman puts into >messages >it sends out will contain the full list name >(domain2-com-announce at domain2) , not the short version you want. Back >in >the mailman admin screens, there is a field that in the public name of >a >list. It seems to indicate that mailman will use this name when >generating addresses but changing this only does half the job. > > I've hacked around a bit with MailList.py and got much better reults. >If you apply the attached patch and change the 'public name' for the >lists, it should work. > > ** NOTE ** I have very little experience of Python (I'm a perler at >heart) and almost no appreciation of the structure of Mailman so I >cannot guarrantee that these changes will not foul everything up. The >docs say that you should not change the public name of a list and, >although it is working so far, I am not totally sure of the >implications >of this. > > Hope this helps, > > Dave > >-- >David Sexton > >Network Technician >Sapphire Technologies Ltd. >Tel: +44 (0) 1642 702100 >Fax: +44 (0) 1642 702119 > >----------------------------------------------- >Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual and >not necessarily the company. This message and any files transmitted >with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended >recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person >responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that >you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly >prohibited. > >Sapphire Technologies Ltd >http://www.sapphire.net > From abrink at linuxguru.net Sat Mar 11 02:17:46 2000 From: abrink at linuxguru.net (Andrew Brink) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:17:46 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin passwords not working In-Reply-To: <20000311011239.36DC41CE11@dinsdale.python.org>; from mailman-users-request@python.org on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 08:12:39PM -0500 References: <20000311011239.36DC41CE11@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: <20000310171746.B4914@linuxguru.net> Hello, Im new with mailman, Ive look through some of the archives, but either haven't found, or haven't looked hard enough. So please excuse me if this has been answered before. I've made a mailing list, and set the password. But when I go to the admin site, that password doesn't work, and that page just reloads. Any ideas, suggestions, comments? Andrew Brink From sam at unah.hondunet.net Sat Mar 11 07:49:28 2000 From: sam at unah.hondunet.net (Sergio A. Murillo D.) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:49:28 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exec Script error Message-ID: I get this error on my maillog when the system tries to execute the warpper. ns Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?) Any ideas? ============================================== Sergio A. Murillo D. Internet UNAH ============================================== From gerrit at nl.linux.org Sat Mar 11 12:04:56 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:04:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exec Script error In-Reply-To: ; from sam@unah.hondunet.net on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 12:49:28AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20000311120456.A21488@nl.linux.org> > I get this error on my maillog when the system tries to execute the warpper. > > ns Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid > 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?) Mailman is configures with the wrong group id. You made mistakes when you installed Mailman - reinstall and read the docs more careful. regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sat Mar 11 13:21:29 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:21:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown mailer error 1 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000310154239.00be4b90@server>; from tmadron@ewc-inc.com on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 03:45:13PM -0500 References: <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> <4.2.2.20000310120955.00d7e460@server> <4.2.2.20000310154239.00be4b90@server> Message-ID: <20000311132129.C6872@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 03:45:13PM -0500, Tom Madron wrote: > Yes, I did the --with-mail-gid parameter. When that is not set properly > the response is similar to what is suggested int he documentation for > Mailman with an "Unknown mailer error 2" along with a notice about the > wrong gid. > > By the way, I can pipe a file through the same path to wrapper that is > specified in the aliases file and no errors are generated. You checked that with "echo $?" ? -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb And when all the snow were burnt, yet ashes would remain From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sat Mar 11 13:24:16 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:24:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie: Mailman with MS Exchange Server In-Reply-To: ; from srdjans@digitalpersona.com on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 11:45:16AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20000311132416.D6872@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 11:45:16AM -0800, Srdjan Sobajic wrote: > Anyways, I'm trying to set up Mailman on linux box which is running in a > WinNT domain and which has an Exchange Mail Server running. I've set up > Mailman (mostly), and I can create lists which are accessible over our > local LAN. After I run ./newlist and give it the list name (dp) and my > email address (srdjans-at-digitalpersona.com) I get the request for > confirming the subscription in my Outlook Inbox. This comes From: > dp-request at digitalpersona.com > Now I have asked my sysadmin to setup a mail account on the exchange server > with this name (dp-request, for example), Correct. > and I can reply to it without problems. My question is how do I "connect" > this MS Exchange account to Mailman?? > (I don't understand all the concepts behind mailman's internals, so this > question may be very stupid...) You need the Exchange Server to send mail to dp-request at digitalpersona.com on to the Linux box ( dp-request at digitalpersona.com -> dp-request at linuxbox.digitalpersona.com) On the Linux box there must be the correct aliases set-up for the list dp -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb First Law of System Requirements: "Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about..." From Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com Sat Mar 11 14:11:56 2000 From: Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com (Jeff Fiegel) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Background Message-ID: Where do I or can I change the background that shows up on each of the mailman pages?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users send money to anyone with an email address. Plus you get $10.00 for registering. Just click https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=payment%40mail.zefex.com and you're on your way. From cluge at italian-cars.com Sat Mar 11 19:39:02 2000 From: cluge at italian-cars.com (cluge at italian-cars.com) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:39:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seen posts, but no solutions Message-ID: This is running on a redat 5.1 machine, with the latest Python compiled in (it's a 64bit machine) and several updates. After wading through it I get the following error when trying to use the admin Any Help would be greatly appreciated. Aaron ---------8<---SNIP BUG REPORT---->8------- Bug in Mailman version 1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main lst = MailList.MailList(list_name) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock self.__lock.lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/mailman/ HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate REMOTE_HOST 208.143.157.221 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded PATH_TRANSLATED /home/mailman//bjspilots/general REMOTE_ADDR 208.143.157.221 SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.2.5 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; MSNIA; Windows 98; MSNIA) HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* REQUEST_URI /cgi-bin/admin/bjspilots/general PATH /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin QUERY_STRING SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 CONTENT_LENGTH 16 HTTP_HOST listserv.bjspilot.com REQUEST_METHOD POST SCRIPT_NAME /cgi-bin/admin SERVER_ADMIN xjet at bjspilot.com SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PYTHONPATH /home/mailman PATH_INFO /bjspilots/general HTTP_REFERER http://listserv.bjspilot.com/cgi-bin/admin/bjspilots/general SERVER_NAME listserv.bjspilot.com REMOTE_PORT 1778 From cluge at bjspilot.com Sat Mar 11 20:25:02 2000 From: cluge at bjspilot.com (cluge at bjspilot.com) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 14:25:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] After much wailing and gnashing of teeth Message-ID: It seems that installing at 4am isn't a good idea. Since my problem seemed to be a permission problem, but the chk_perms script wasn't complaining I recompiled. Now I can happily get to my admin section, but when I enter data it simply kicks me back to the password probmpt. I checked thelist history but didn't see anything that helped me (i.e. my cookie settings appear to be fine) Again, RH 5.1 with latest python and several other updates, running on an Alpha proceesor machine. Mailman version 1.1 Any thoughts? From fonya at gyurma.dspnet.hu Sat Mar 11 19:24:27 2000 From: fonya at gyurma.dspnet.hu (Akos Szabo) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:24:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Errno 1] Operation not permitted Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I'v got several messages from the cron daemon, like this: - ---------------- START --------------------- Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ? main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main lockfile.lock() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted - ---------------- END --------------------- What these it mean? I think, my lock files owner is invalid, but if they not the nobody's owner, my cgi scripts are not working... I don't understand which owner the right. :( Ciao: Fonya Computers are like airconditioners: They stop working properly if you open windows. For pgp key: `finger fonya at gyurma.dspnet.hu` -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOMqPYkfDse74ZhTlAQE3MAP+LYhoVvzcp5H3ikyd/xfsn7vp5amFmF6W KUtLP/Ic75zf2Ku5L/AAW7YX2HivETqiL+iKLp46797LugSKSPOSOiRMRd6TU+o5 HyY/yY1PnPESY8FLtnd3fupmLbzdLiWNtrLpVIGOS+CkRxGgi3wzRkQImTsnOIOQ pKIe5D6KfJc= =1yE/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gerrit at nl.linux.org Sat Mar 11 19:39:22 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:39:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After much wailing and gnashing of teeth In-Reply-To: ; from cluge@bjspilot.com on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 02:25:02PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000311193922.B9182@nl.linux.org> > > It seems that installing at 4am isn't a good idea. Since my problem > seemed to be a permission problem, but the chk_perms script wasn't > complaining I recompiled. Now I can happily get to my admin section, but > when I enter data it simply kicks me back to the password probmpt. > > I checked thelist history but didn't see anything that helped me (i.e. my > cookie settings appear to be fine) > > Again, RH 5.1 with latest python and several other updates, running on an > Alpha proceesor machine. Mailman version 1.1 > > Any thoughts? Please check if your cookies are enabled - it looks like they're not. regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From gerrit at nl.linux.org Sat Mar 11 19:41:27 2000 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 19:41:27 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Errno 1] Operation not permitted In-Reply-To: ; from fonya@gyurma.dspnet.hu on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 07:24:27PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20000311194126.C9182@nl.linux.org> > - ---------------- START --------------------- > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ? > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main > lockfile.lock() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock > os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) > OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted > - ---------------- END --------------------- Have you read README.LINUX? regards, Gerrit. -- Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com Version: 3.12 GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From abrink at linuxguru.net Sat Mar 11 21:43:35 2000 From: abrink at linuxguru.net (Andrew Brink) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:43:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] After much wailing and gnashing of teeth In-Reply-To: <20000311193922.B9182@nl.linux.org>; from gerrit@nl.linux.org on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 07:39:22PM +0100 References: <20000311193922.B9182@nl.linux.org> Message-ID: <20000311124335.A7932@linuxguru.net> I also get this problem, and cookies are enabled for me. Andrew On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 07:39:22PM +0100, Gerrit Holl wrote: > > > > > It seems that installing at 4am isn't a good idea. Since my problem > > seemed to be a permission problem, but the chk_perms script wasn't > > complaining I recompiled. Now I can happily get to my admin section, but > > when I enter data it simply kicks me back to the password probmpt. > > > > I checked thelist history but didn't see anything that helped me (i.e. my > > cookie settings appear to be fine) > > > > Again, RH 5.1 with latest python and several other updates, running on an > > Alpha proceesor machine. Mailman version 1.1 > > > > Any thoughts? > > > Please check if your cookies are enabled - it looks like they're not. > > regards, > Gerrit. > > -- > Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com > Version: 3.12 > GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O !M !V PS+ PE? > Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y > -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From cluge at bjspilot.com Sun Mar 12 02:17:35 2000 From: cluge at bjspilot.com (cluge at bjspilot.com) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:17:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Answer found to gnashing of teeth In-Reply-To: <20000311124335.A7932@linuxguru.net> Message-ID: Well it seems I did thea silly thing, I decided that my /home/mailman/cgi-bin directory would not be aliased to /mailman/ Thus I created a new list and figured I'd adjust the proper elements via the "admin" page. Hmm no go, I then figured out that I need to define them in my /home/mailman/Mailman/ From cluge at bjspilot.com Sun Mar 12 02:29:57 2000 From: cluge at bjspilot.com (cluge at bjspilot.com) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:29:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Answer found to gnashing of teeth (Continued) Message-ID: Well it seems I did a silly thing, I decided that my /home/mailman/cgi-bin directory would not be aliased to /mailman/ Thus I created a new list and figured I'd adjust the proper elements via the "admin" page. Hmmm no go, I then figured out that I need to define them in my /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, but that didn't work..almost What I ended up doing was going through my /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and making sure everything was defined as I had set it up. Therefore my httpd.conf file matched the settings that I had mailman set to. I erased all lists and simply readded them. This fixed the problem. It seems that the python scripts were looking in the wrong place :) Since I know NOTHING about python, it took me a while to figure it out. I hope my experience helps somone else out. So if your going to but things in different directories than mailman expects your need to define these before you add lists. Aaron Gee Below is some of my sample conf files to that people can see what I am talking about. Adjust to fit your configuration. -----8<----SNIP FROM HTTPD.CONF---->8----- ServerAdmin admin at domain.com DocumentRoot /home/mailman/ ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ ServerName listserv.domain.com ErrorLog /home/mailman/log/error_log TransferLog /home/mailman/log/access_log ------------------------------------------ ------8<-----SNIP FROM mm_cfg.py ---->8----- DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'domain.com' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://listserv.domain.com/cgi-bin' ------8<-----SNIP FROM mm_cfg.py ---->8----- From jeremyl at vicnet.net.au Sun Mar 12 02:22:41 2000 From: jeremyl at vicnet.net.au (Jeremy Lunn) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:22:41 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Background In-Reply-To: ; from Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com on Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:11:56AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000312122241.A27315@dark.net> On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:11:56AM -0500, Jeff Fiegel wrote: > Where do I or can I change the background that shows up on each of the > mailman pages?? > You can only do that if you know HTML. If you do, go to: http://yourdomain/cgi-bin/mailman/edithtml/listname Jeremy -- Jeremy Lunn Melbourne, Australia ICQ: 19255837 From Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com Sun Mar 12 02:55:33 2000 From: Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com (Jeff Fiegel) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Background In-Reply-To: <20000312122241.A27315@dark.net> Message-ID: Tried that but it appear to have no effect... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users send money to anyone with an email address. Plus you get $10.00 for registering. Just click https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=payment%40mail.zefex.com and you're on your way. > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Lunn > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:23 PM > To: Jeff Fiegel > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Background > > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:11:56AM -0500, Jeff Fiegel wrote: > > Where do I or can I change the background that shows up on each of the > > mailman pages?? > > > > You can only do that if you know HTML. > > If you do, go to: > http://yourdomain/cgi-bin/mailman/edithtml/listname > > Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Lunn > Melbourne, Australia > ICQ: 19255837 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From sam at unah.hondunet.net Sun Mar 12 08:50:58 2000 From: sam at unah.hondunet.net (Sergio A. Murillo D.) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 01:50:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exec Script error In-Reply-To: <20000311120456.A21488@nl.linux.org> Message-ID: I still get the following error Mar 12 00:59:25 ns Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?) I recompiled with this option... configure --prefix=/usr/share/mailman --with-mail-gid=mail I'm using a virtula domain and my users are virtual pop users... The group 65535 does no exists. And when I try to configure mailman using that gid I get an error on its non existance. And still the same problem.. What wrong? Sergio > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Gerrit Holl > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 5:05 AM > To: Sergio A. Murillo D. > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Exec Script error > > > email="sam at unah.hondunet.net"> > > I get this error on my maillog when the system tries to execute > the warpper. > > > > ns Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid > > 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?) > > > Mailman is configures with the wrong group id. You made mistakes when > you installed Mailman - reinstall and read the docs more careful. > > regards, > Gerrit. > > -- > Plies korekt enie bet ingglisj joe encauntur in mai imil mesusj! > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- http://www.geekcode.com > Version: 3.12 > GCS dpu s-:-- a14 C++++>$ UL++ P--- L+++ E--- W++ N o? K? w--- !O > !M !V PS+ PE? > Y? PGP-- t- 5? X? R- tv- b+(++) DI D+ G++ !e !r !y > -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sun Mar 12 14:30:58 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:30:58 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME-ified subject Message-ID: <20000312143058.H12254@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> It's giving me the hives: We have a German list based on Mailman here and the users use Umlauts in both Subject: and body of their mails: http://www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/pipermail/litquiz/2000-March/subject.html This breaks a) The archive which is REALLY ugly to look at b) The detection of the list's name when replying (stripping superfluous "Re:"'s and "[list]"'s from "Re: [list] Re: [list]" fails!) -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb To sysadmin or not to sysadmin... that is the question, whether tis nobler in the minde to suffer the slings and arrowes of outragious fortune, or climb to the top of the building with a fucking high-power rifle and scope. From paul at source.dyns.cx Sun Mar 12 15:14:29 2000 From: paul at source.dyns.cx (Paul van Tilburg) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:14:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Background Message-ID: <20000312151429.A18030@source> On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 12:22:41PM +1100, Jeremy Lunn wrote: > > Where do I or can I change the background that shows up on each of the > > mailman pages?? > You can only do that if you know HTML. > If you do, go to: > http://yourdomain/cgi-bin/mailman/edithtml/listname I have a question about that editting. I want to integrate that pages into in our site, but we use php3 for everything, showing a sidebar and stuff. So how can I use php3 code in stead without telling apache that php3 stuff can occur in a .html? Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Student @ | Using the Power of Debian/GNU Linux University of Technology | ICQ: 8678828 Eindhoven, The Netherlands | email: paul at donald-duck.ele.tue.nl From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sun Mar 12 15:23:17 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:23:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Background In-Reply-To: <20000312151429.A18030@source>; from paul@source.dyns.cx on Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 03:14:29PM +0100 References: <20000312151429.A18030@source> Message-ID: <20000312152317.L12254@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 03:14:29PM +0100, Paul van Tilburg wrote: > I have a question about that editting. I want to integrate that pages into > in our site, but we use php3 for everything, showing a sidebar and stuff. > So how can I use php3 code in stead without telling apache that php3 stuff > can occur in a .html? You can configure your Apache in such a way that PHP3 is interpreted for all documents with certain URLS: Keyword is "Handlers" from mod_include: Normally you say: AddType text/html .shtml AddHandler server-parsed .shtml But you can also use SetHandler in a , for your purpose must match all Mailman WebURL's : SetHandler server-status -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing more. > > You can create your own subscription form that generates an email to the > yourlist-request@ address. In this email you can give a subscription command > w/o a password option. Mailman will then automatically generate a password > for the user. Also, turn off the montly password reminders. Downside is to > unsubscribe they'll need that password or they mailman-owner password, which > you *don't* want to give out. [...] This is the biggest problem I'm experiencing implementing Mailman at the moment. I really need a feature to turn off passwords completely (for users, not administrators). Security and passwords may be important for standard lists like mailman and Gnome lists etc, but I need to create lots of little groups which have no need for protection of unsubscription, because the users understand little enough about what a mailing list actually is without needing to work out what the password is when they want to unsubscribe. Turning off monthly reminders and changing the subscribe message is not a solution because the password is still required for unsubscription. Will this be available in a later release of mailman (I'm running 1.0)? Or is there an easy way to do it now? Thanks, Chuck From bug at aphid.net Mon Mar 6 13:40:56 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:40:56 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains In-Reply-To: <20000306192947.A428@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>; from danny@anatomy.usyd.edu.au on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:29:47PM +1100 References: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <20000306074747.B11368@nl.linux.org> <20000306192947.A428@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000306234056.H1971@buggy.aphid.net> I was actually about to ask a question similar to that just discussed (see bottom of message for quotes from thread). Basically I want to have multiple lists with the same (left bit of @ sign). But with different domains (names have been changed to protect the fuzzy people). So: everyone at hoth.sw everyone at tatooine.sw I could make two lists: everyone-hoth everyone-tatooine Then create virtusertable entries for the two lists so everyone at hoth.sw -> everyone-hoth everyone at tatooine.sw -> everyone-tatooine Unfortunately I can only tell mailman to change the host part of the >From address when sending out mail. So mail would be sent out from these addresses: everyone-hoth at hoth.sw everyone-tatooine at tatooine.sw (Assuming I set the domain in the admin to those.) Is there any way to do this cleanly in Mailman? (Perhaps an upcoming version?) Does anyone have any recommendations for a kludge to get around this? Thanks again, Chuck Wrote Danny Yee on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 07:29:47PM +1100: > I wrote: > > > I want to run mailman on multiple domains, e.g. > > Gerrit Holl wrote: > > I'm not sure, but have you tried to install Mailman twice? > > Just make the '/mailman' alias of foo.com go to the first installation and > > make the '/mailman' alias of bar.com go to the second installation, etc. > > That works (/var/mailman and /var/mailman2), but it's very ugly, > requiring replication of a large pile of stuff that really shouldn't > need replication. My qmail/EZmlm friends have convinced me that list > data should be separated from list code... > > It's possible to configure the mail domain and preferred admin URL for > each list, but that doesn't actually work, since the lists still share > the same web scripts. From claw at kanga.nu Sun Mar 12 18:00:39 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 09:00:39 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains In-Reply-To: Message from Chuck Dale of "Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:40:56 +1100." <20000306234056.H1971@buggy.aphid.net> References: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <20000306074747.B11368@nl.linux.org> <20000306192947.A428@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <20000306234056.H1971@buggy.aphid.net> Message-ID: <14844.952880439@kanga.nu> On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:40:56 +1100 Chuck Dale wrote: > Basically I want to have multiple lists with the same (left bit of > @ sign). ... > Is there any way to do this cleanly in Mailman? (Perhaps an > upcoming version?) Not currently, and I'm aware of no plans to change this. The problem is that there is a single lists directory which contains all list definitions -- and thus doesn't allow name collisions. > Does anyone have any recommendations for a kludge to get around > this? About your only solution is to run multiple Mailman installations under different directory heirarchies. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From jeff at mail.zefex.com Sun Mar 12 19:38:20 2000 From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:38:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Activity Message-ID: Is there a way to track the number of messages that are processed by each list on a daily/weekly basis? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users send money to anyone with an email address. Plus you get $10.00 for registering. Just click https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=payment%40mail.zefex.com and you're on your way. From claw at kanga.nu Sun Mar 12 19:44:09 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:44:09 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Activity In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeff Fiegel" of "Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:38:20 EST." References: Message-ID: <28543.952886649@kanga.nu> On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:38:20 -0500 Jeff Fiegel wrote: > Is there a way to track the number of messages that are processed > by each list on a daily/weekly basis? I use my MTA's (Exim) stats facility (eximstats) to generate daily reports on mail traffic for the system, which just happens to do nice per-address (and thus per-list) breakouts. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From lindsey at mallorn.com Sun Mar 12 19:44:51 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:44:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Activity In-Reply-To: from "Jeff Fiegel" at Mar 12, 2000 01:38:20 PM Message-ID: <200003121844.MAA05666@lorien.mallorn.com> > Is there a way to track the number of messages that are processed by each > list on a daily/weekly basis? Not from within Mailman, no. Three ways that I can think of are a) watch your SMTP logs b) preprocess your list with a procmail filter that keeps a tally (but it will also count messages that go to the list but aren't approved) c) if using an external archiver, add something to keep a tally. If not, set up an external archiver to be a perl script or some such that just increments a counter. Probably the most accurate way, in my opinion. Chris From jeff at mail.zefex.com Sun Mar 12 19:46:58 2000 From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:46:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Activity In-Reply-To: <28543.952886649@kanga.nu> Message-ID: ahhh do you happen to know if there is one for sendmail?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal.com is a completely free service that lets users send money to anyone with an email address. Plus you get $10.00 for registering. Just click https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=payment%40mail.zefex.com and you're on your way. > -----Original Message----- > From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu] > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2000 1:44 PM > To: jeff at zefex.dyndns.org > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Activity > > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:38:20 -0500 > Jeff Fiegel wrote: > > > Is there a way to track the number of messages that are processed > > by each list on a daily/weekly basis? > > I use my MTA's (Exim) stats facility (eximstats) to generate daily > reports on mail traffic for the system, which just happens to do > nice per-address (and thus per-list) breakouts. > > -- > J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu > ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu > --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- > From claw at kanga.nu Sun Mar 12 19:52:34 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:52:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Activity In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeff Fiegel" of "Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:46:58 EST." References: Message-ID: <29660.952887154@kanga.nu> On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:46:58 -0500 Jeff Fiegel wrote: > ahhh do you happen to know if there is one for sendmail?? No. Check freshmeat (tho I'd recommend chaning MTAs anyway). -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From lindsey at mallorn.com Sun Mar 12 19:55:00 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:55:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains In-Reply-To: <20000306234056.H1971@buggy.aphid.net> from "Chuck Dale" at Mar 06, 2000 11:40:56 PM Message-ID: <200003121855.MAA05852@lorien.mallorn.com> > >From address when sending out mail. So mail would be sent out from these > addresses: > everyone-hoth at hoth.sw > everyone-tatooine at tatooine.sw > > (Assuming I set the domain in the admin to those.) > > Is there any way to do this cleanly in Mailman? (Perhaps an upcoming > version?) > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a kludge to get around this? No easy way; in fact rather ugly... If using sendmail, you can try using the "generics" feature to rewrite the outgoing addresses, but that won't change some of the other headers like "X-Been-There:". The only real way that I can see to do this is very icky. You could replace your MTA (sendmail, exim, qmail...) with a shell script that pipes everything through a procmail or perl script, which in turn rewrites any instances of wrong listnames to the correct values and then pumps them out to the real MTA binary (you didn't really replace it, just renamed it) with the right envelope sender. To make this work, you'd need to create the lists something along the lines of everyone.hoth.sw at example.com everyone.tatooine.sw at example.com and then do a search and replace... It's kind of similar to this old virtual host "solution" that I was using back in '94: http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/procmail/1998-04/msg00289.html Depending on your configuration, you may or may not need multiple sendmail.cf files as specified in that example. Told you it would be ugly! :) Chris From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Mon Mar 13 05:07:21 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:07:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] a more uniform interface to private and public archives References: Message-ID: <14540.27001.603163.57782@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TP" == Todd Pfaff writes: TP> what i'd like to suggest is that we make the interface more TP> uniform by eliminating the 'Alias' path and access both TP> private and public archives via a single cgi-bin interface. TP> if the archive is private we require authentication, if not we TP> simply bypass the authentication. We specifically decided not to do this because we didn't want to take the performance hit for the more common situation of public archives. With the current arrangement, public archives are vended directly (and quickly) by the http server, while public archives are forced to go through the slower cgi for authentication purposes. -Barry From jorge at marte.multibase.pt Mon Mar 13 14:19:16 2000 From: jorge at marte.multibase.pt (Jorge Domingos) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:19:16 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] this is a teste Message-ID: <38CCEAD4.76BAF79A@marte.multibase.pt> texte From jorge.domingos at multibase.pt Mon Mar 13 14:21:04 2000 From: jorge.domingos at multibase.pt (Jorge Domingos) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:21:04 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem... Message-ID: <029601bf8cee$fc46d9b0$f7504fc2@jupiter.multibase.pt> I've successufuly installed mailman server. I?ve created a mailing list named tauromaquia and registered some users, but when i try to send a mail to it i get the message of User Unknown tauromaquia ... Could some body help me please? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000313/08a080fe/attachment.htm From david.sexton at sapphire.net Mon Mar 13 14:31:18 2000 From: david.sexton at sapphire.net (David Sexton) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:31:18 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domains References: <20000306145138.A23789@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <20000306074747.B11368@nl.linux.org> <20000306192947.A428@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <20000306234056.H1971@buggy.aphid.net> <14844.952880439@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <38CCEDA6.7E65DF80@sapphire.net> J C Lawrence wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:40:56 +1100 > Chuck Dale wrote: > > > Basically I want to have multiple lists with the same (left bit of > > @ sign). > ... > > Is there any way to do this cleanly in Mailman? (Perhaps an > > upcoming version?) > > Not currently, and I'm aware of no plans to change this. The > problem is that there is a single lists directory which contains all > list definitions -- and thus doesn't allow name collisions. I hacked up a kludge for this. Did my original message to sergio (with a patch) arrive on the list? (I was having MUA/brain interface probs. at the time I sent it ) If not, I'll dig it out and send it again. (I'm running it on a live server & I'd appreciate it if someone with more knowledge of MM could tell me of any ramifications (sp?) ) Dave -- David Sexton Network Technician Sapphire Technologies Ltd. Tel: +44 (0) 1642 702100 Fax: +44 (0) 1642 702119 ----------------------------------------------- Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. Sapphire Technologies Ltd http://www.sapphire.net From sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov Mon Mar 13 15:49:38 2000 From: sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov (Tim Sailer) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:49:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? Message-ID: <20000313094938.C27681@bnl.gov> Hi all! I've been using Mailman for quite some time, and I love it. I just was asked to put up a large server to handle lots of lists that will be migrated off the commercial listproc server. I'm running it on a Debian Linux system, with Roxen as the web server. I have this exact same config running Mailman in a few other places. However, this time, when I go to the admin interface, I get at the top of the screen, in red: Error decoding authorization cookie. I can enter the password, but every time I try to submit the form, or change screens, it blows me back to the login screen with the same error message. No messages in any of the log files for Mailman or the web server. Help? Tim -- (work) sailer at bnl.gov / (home) tps at buoy.com - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "Have you ever seen an atom, Little bits of everything floating by, Take a good look at them, Collectively they compose all you see including your eye" - "Whoops" - Blues Traveler ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** From claw at kanga.nu Mon Mar 13 18:54:17 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:54:17 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Sailer of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:49:38 EST." <20000313094938.C27681@bnl.gov> References: <20000313094938.C27681@bnl.gov> Message-ID: <28311.952970057@kanga.nu> On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:49:38 -0500 Tim Sailer wrote: > I can enter the password, but every time I try to submit the form, > or change screens, it blows me back to the login screen with the > same error message. No messages in any of the log files for > Mailman or the web server. Try this: Delete all your lists. Edit /var/libe/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and make everything perfect for your site, especially the hostname and default paths. Recreate your lists. I can't give an reasons, just that during this weekend's fiasco I ran into this problem, did this to fix the fact that lists were getting created with the wrong defaults, and found that it also handled the problem (despite the fact that I'd entered the "correct" data into the per-list configuration). No promises. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From ptomblin at xcski.com Mon Mar 13 19:15:06 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? In-Reply-To: <28311.952970057@kanga.nu> References: <20000313094938.C27681@bnl.gov> <28311.952970057@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20000313131506.A25461@xcski.com> Quoting J C Lawrence (claw at kanga.nu): > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:49:38 -0500 > Tim Sailer wrote: > > > I can enter the password, but every time I try to submit the form, > > or change screens, it blows me back to the login screen with the > > same error message. No messages in any of the log files for > > Mailman or the web server. > > Try this: > > Delete all your lists. > > Edit /var/libe/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and make everything > perfect for your site, especially the hostname and default paths. > > Recreate your lists. Since the error message mentioned cookies, I'd do the following first: - go into your web brower's cookie file (in Netscape on Unix, it's in ~/netscape/cookies) and blow away any cookies related to your site. Possibly one of them is corrupt. - Make sure your web browser is set up to accept cookies and you're not using one of those anonymizing proxies that filters out cookies. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sb20293A2058554E494Csnlbxq'|dc From jbaddor at crossworld.echo.org Mon Mar 13 21:32:18 2000 From: jbaddor at crossworld.echo.org (Jean-Bernard ADDOR) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:32:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] post aproval throught python interactive mode Message-ID: Hey Mailpeople! How can I approve posting using the python interactive mode. I read the README file in mailman directory so I can put my list in an object l. I have seen the items waiting with l.requests. I would now let them pass. How can I do it. My web interface has the already known problem: On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:49:38 -0500 Tim Sailer wrote: > I can enter the password, but every time I try to submit the form, > or change screens, it blows me back to the login screen with the > same error message. No messages in any of the log files for > Mailman or the web server. I would like to let message retained be posted, before deleting lists and recreating them (a lot of work !!) Jean-Bernard From saille at bleah.com Tue Mar 14 00:16:03 2000 From: saille at bleah.com (Saille Warner Norton) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:16:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Modifying listinfo index? Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000313151441.00a65b30@pop.ipac.caltech.edu> Is there a way to modify the listinfo index page? I'd like to categorize my lists and note that in the general listinfo listing. Any help is appreciated, Saille From cmshields at korrnet.org Tue Mar 14 00:35:05 2000 From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:35:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist problems.. Message-ID: Hi all, We are currently testing Mailman and plan to switch from Listproc once we get things working well. I have installed Mailman and successfully created a "test" list.. everything works fine. Now, I'm trying to add another list using ~/bin/newlist and I'm getting the output below: ## Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/newlist", line 146, in ? raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv)) File "bin/newlist", line 93, in main newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 729, in Create self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock self.__lock.lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/locks/.lock.chips.rtd.utk.edu.1189' ## and if it helps, here's the contents of /home/mailman/locks: -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 77 Mar 13 18:22 .lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 77 Mar 13 18:22 .lock.chips.rtd.utk.edu.10632 -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 82 Mar 13 18:12 mmqueue_run.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 92 Mar 13 18:19 pending_subscriptions.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mail mailman 84 Mar 13 18:08 test.archiver.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 75 Mar 13 18:19 test.lock Ok, now for the embarrassing part (newbie alert!).. After I compiled and installed Mailman I uninstalled then REinstalled Apache. It's a long story involving me goofing up my first httpd.conf file and panicing, but I thought I should mention it as it mean something to someone. Do I need to recompile Mailman?? Any help/advice is greatly appreciated!! thanks, *************************** Craig Shields Computer/Network Technician KORRnet www.korrnet.org *************************** From allen at harper.gist.net.au Tue Mar 14 02:56:36 2000 From: allen at harper.gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:26:36 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Sailer of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 09:49:38 CDT." <20000313094938.C27681@bnl.gov> Message-ID: <20000314015636.1404EAD12@harper.gist.net.au> Tim, I have had this problem too, and found it to be that Roxen sets a RoxenUserid cookie, that mailman confuses with it's cookie (a problem I have mentioned and explained many a time on this list) Do this: remove all cookies from your browser in respect to the server you are accessing. try again, if this don't work, try telling roxen to not set a unique cookie, then remove all cookies ant try again. If that don't work, I saw this once before when the "Base URL of the list in the list admin interface" got changed, therefore the cookie was pointing to the wrong place. try changing the cookies' path to point to the path of the page with the error message. email me if this is not coherent enough. Allen From kruthjam at pilot.msu.edu Tue Mar 14 03:21:38 2000 From: kruthjam at pilot.msu.edu (kruthjam at pilot.msu.edu) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman by e-mail??? Message-ID: <200003140219.VAA34640@pilot017.cl.msu.edu> I'm looking for a list of administrative commands that can be used via e-mail to control mailman. I'm a newbie list admin and I'm mainly trying to figure out how to add users to the list. Thanks. - James From Muuhhsieek at gmx.de Tue Mar 14 08:06:14 2000 From: Muuhhsieek at gmx.de (Muuhhsieek at gmx.de) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:06:14 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] SB Live Player 1024 ?? References: <20000313212708.140391CD6D@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: <19900.953017574@www6.gmx.net> Hallo everybody ..so I got a SB Live Player 1024 and ask you , if it's physically the same Soundcard, than a SB live. I have some problems running under Suse 6,3 . So after every reeboot i have to install the card again. Especially bad it works with flash-player and netscape, so it crackles all the time. But also it crackles without netscape So what can i do?? Thanx for help Micha -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From marques at physik.uni-wuerzburg.de Tue Mar 14 12:31:01 2000 From: marques at physik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Miguel Marques) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:31:01 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery error Message-ID: Hello I installed mailman 1.1 some months ago, and I've been having since then some problems. I searched the FAQ and mailing-list archive, but haven't found anything!! It seems that the adresses *hotmail.com and *ip.pt (a portuguese ISP) do not work, although all other adresses work without problems. The error I get is: 554 ... Service unavailable Final-Recipient: RFC822; xxxo at hotmail.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; mc2.law5.hotmail.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 554 Transaction failed Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:09:34 GMT I am using a Linux box running RedHat 6.1, with SendMail 8.9.3 can anyone help me? miguel marques From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Tue Mar 14 12:52:16 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:52:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Delivery error In-Reply-To: ; from marques@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:31:01PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20000314125216.J15191@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Am 14.03.2000 um 12:31:01 +0100 schrieb Miguel Marques folgendes: > 554 ... Service unavailable The other side did reject the mail -- ther's nothing you can do. If they don't want to get mail from you they don't need to. Perhaps your box is listed in orbs, rbl or rss and thus all mail from it is being rejected? -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb You know what to do: Go back to IRC. Do not followup to this post and do not collect any Usenet credits. From sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov Tue Mar 14 16:04:23 2000 From: sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov (Tim Sailer) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:04:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? In-Reply-To: <20000314015636.1404EAD12@harper.gist.net.au>; from allen@harper.gist.net.au on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:26:36PM +1030 References: <20000314015636.1404EAD12@harper.gist.net.au> Message-ID: <20000314100423.A7574@bnl.gov> On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:26:36PM +1030, Allen Bolderoff wrote: > Tim, > > I have had this problem too, and found it to be that Roxen sets a RoxenUserid > cookie, that mailman confuses with it's cookie (a problem I have mentioned and > explained many a time on this list) > > > Do this: > remove all cookies from your browser in respect to the server you are > accessing. > > try again, > > if this don't work, try telling roxen to not set a unique cookie, then remove > all cookies ant try again. > > If that don't work, I saw this once before when the "Base URL of the list in > the list admin interface" got changed, therefore the cookie was pointing to > the wrong place. > > try changing the cookies' path to point to the path of the page with the error > message. That's exactly what happened! Whee! Thanks to everyone for the help! Tim -- (work) sailer at bnl.gov / (home) tps at buoy.com - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try." -- Yoda ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** From marcos.euzebio at bcb.gov.br Tue Mar 14 16:45:53 2000 From: marcos.euzebio at bcb.gov.br (Marcos Jose Candido Euzebio) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:45:53 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple mail message Message-ID: <000a01bf8dcc$62b90280$680d11ac@w2220695.bc> I checked the archives and there were a few messages on this thread without a proper solution being found though, besides waiting for version 1.2. We are experimenting the same problem here with our listserver. We run mailman, version 1.1, on top of sendmail. There is a list with about 1.700 subscribers. Mailman delivers the messages in four batches (500+500+500+~200) and that is fine, however it insists in always duplicating one of the batches, sent twice. There is no observable pattern on the duplication. It may be the first batch with one message and the second with another and so on, and on. This is a really boring problem and we are even thinking about going back to version 1.0 (it seems that the problema didn?t happen then). Can anybody sugest a better solution? Thanks a lot, Marcos Euzebio -- mailto:marcos.euzebio at bcb.gov.br From jbaddor at crossworld.echo.org Tue Mar 14 18:50:05 2000 From: jbaddor at crossworld.echo.org (Jean-Bernard ADDOR) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:50:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman improvement suggestion (cookies problemes) Message-ID: Hey Mailman users ! I suggest that a password button would be added to the admindb pages. (A password change button is not needed, but just a password button, in case of cookies problemes). A traveling list moderator, accessing the web page for administration, can fall on a browser without cookies. Cookies problem can also appear at the server side, for instance we have such a problem since one month, when we updated mailman and python. The problem is very hard to find and our live is turning into a nightmare since that. On the admin page, in case of cookies problem, it is always possible to introduce the admin passwd in the box "Enter current password:", without entering nothing in the new password cases. On the contrary, in the admindb page, there is absolutely no password box, so the only thing we can do is a cut and past from the web page to a e-mail client and send the message to the list. A password box would be very helpfull and I would be very happy to see one in the next release or even sooner. Thank you to everybody who can help. Jean-Bernard From pjh at mccc.edu Tue Mar 14 18:02:35 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:02:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limitations Message-ID: Is there a maximum number of addresses per mailing list in Mailman? Thanks, Pete From quent at level3.net Tue Mar 14 18:22:13 2000 From: quent at level3.net (Quent Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:22:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdb failure puzzle Message-ID: <20000314102212.B28460@level3.net> Has anyone seen this error from checkdbs? I didn't see it mentioned when searching the list archives. Before digging into the code I thought I should see if this is a known problem. Things seem to work just fine, except I get this daily error from the cron job. It didn't used to occur and the only change that's been made is the addition of more lists. /usr/local/bin/python /var/mailman/cron/checkdbs produced the following output: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ? main() File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 52, in main text = text + '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/var/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 72, in pending_requests pending.append(' %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when)) TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Quent Johnson From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Tue Mar 14 18:20:43 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:20:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limitations In-Reply-To: ; from pjh@mccc.edu on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:02:35PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000314182043.M15191@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:02:35PM -0500, Pete Holsberg wrote: > Is there a maximum number of addresses per mailing list in > Mailman? I think this limit is imposed by the underlying MTA, not mailman itself. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb Linux is like an indian's tent: No gates, no windows, and apache inside. From ricardo at rixhq.nu Tue Mar 14 19:20:36 2000 From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:20:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman improvement suggestion (cookies problemes) In-Reply-To: ; from jbaddor@crossworld.echo.org on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:50:05PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000314192036.A28902@miss-janet.com> Hi, On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 12:50:05PM -0500, Jean-Bernard ADDOR wrote: > A traveling list moderator, accessing the web page for administration, can > fall on a browser without cookies. Cookies problem can also appear at the > server side, for instance we have such a problem since one month, when we > updated mailman and python. The problem is very hard to find and our live > is turning into a nightmare since that. If cookie problems appear at the server side, the only thing i can think of is that the system clock on the server is incorrect, causing the cookies to expire immediately. > On the admin page, in case of cookies problem, it is always possible to > introduce the admin passwd in the box "Enter current password:", without > entering nothing in the new password cases. On the contrary, in the > admindb page, there is absolutely no password box, so the only thing we > can do is a cut and past from the web page to a e-mail client and send the > message to the list. If i understand what you want, this shouldn't be too difficult to implement. Which version of Mailman are you using? I could make a small patch for you that adds a password entry input field on the admindb page. But it won't be an 'offical' patch for MM though... and when you upgrade MM you have to do it again... (that's what I have to do with most of the things i've changed in MM myself :) ) Ricardo. -- From rac at bnl.gov Tue Mar 14 20:36:59 2000 From: rac at bnl.gov (Casella, Richard A) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:36:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict by domain? Message-ID: <698DB793D712D31180B600902746422DB95794@exchange01.bnl.gov> Can't seem to find this in the archives. Is it possible to restrict access to a list by my own domain? Some lists I would like to have inaccessible to anyone outside our domain (posting, subscribing, reading, etc). I tried using the Privacy Options, hold post with header value matching regular expression, but can't seem to get the syntax for negating our domain. Anyone have any ideas? I cannot define the real problem, | Brookhaven National Laboratory therefore I suspect there's no | ITD Bldg 515, Upton, NY 11973 USA real problem, but I'm not sure | http://pubweb.bnl.gov/~rac there's no real problem. | mailto:rac at bnl.gov (516) 344-7975 -Feynman | 1975 FJ40 - TLCA # 8616 From claw at cp.net Wed Mar 15 03:04:56 2000 From: claw at cp.net (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:04:56 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist problems.. In-Reply-To: Message from Craig Shields of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:35:05 EST." References: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:35:05 -0500 (EST) Craig Shields wrote: > "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock > os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or > directory: > '/home/mailman/locks/.lock.chips.rtd.utk.edu.1189' Ensure that your system is quiescent (from a Mailman viewpoint) and then delete everything in ~mailman/locks. Things should be happy now. -- J C Lawrence Internet: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Internet: coder at kanga.nu ...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... From cmshields at korrnet.org Wed Mar 15 03:20:53 2000 From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/newlist problems.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Perfect. ..thank you! Before I ask any more newbie questions is there any FAQ's or documention for Mailman besides the FAQ at list.org and the Mailman-Users archive that I just haven't found yet? Our next step is migrating our current lists from Lisproc to Mailman and I have found a few postings in the archives, but am sure we'll have additional questions along the way. Thanks again, *************************** Craig Shields Computer/Network Technician KORRnet www.korrnet.org *************************** On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:35:05 -0500 (EST) > Craig Shields wrote: > > > "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock > > os.unlink(self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or > > directory: > > '/home/mailman/locks/.lock.chips.rtd.utk.edu.1189' > > Ensure that your system is quiescent (from a Mailman viewpoint) and > then delete everything in ~mailman/locks. Things should be happy now. > > -- > J C Lawrence Internet: claw at kanga.nu > ----------(*) Internet: coder at kanga.nu > ...Honorary Member of Clan McFud -- Teamer's Avenging Monolith... > From claw at kanga.nu Wed Mar 15 05:10:05 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:10:05 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Limitations In-Reply-To: Message from Pete Holsberg of "Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:02:35 EST." References: Message-ID: <18409.953093405@kanga.nu> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:02:35 -0500 (EST) Pete Holsberg wrote: > Is there a maximum number of addresses per mailing list in > Mailman? No -- I've gone over 140,000 subscribers before. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From mhawk at zgdv.de Wed Mar 15 11:11:48 2000 From: mhawk at zgdv.de (Markus Kalb) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:11:48 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML Editing does not work !! Message-ID: Hi i have the mailman software running and is working fine but when i try to change the html layout with the web interface the changes don't make it into the archive even if i delete the index files and let them be rectrated with a new mail. And also the changes dont appear in the templates dir. Could someone please tell me where the error is ? I saw in the mailing list archive of this list that i'm not the first person with this Problem but there was no help to be find in the archive. ciao markus -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Markus Kalb or MHawk or 49er or The Nighthawk or MarkusK(IRC) ----- ---- markus.kalb at zgdv.de or mk at zgdv.de or markus at zgdv.de ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jzame at webmistressatwork.com Wed Mar 15 16:45:45 2000 From: jzame at webmistressatwork.com (jzame at webmistressatwork.com) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:45:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total newbie needs install help Message-ID: <38CFB029.806CD0A7@webmistressatwork.com> I would love to install Mailman on my web host, however, I am having trouble figuring it out. If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind giving a modicom of (very) beginners direction to get me started, please email me at jzame at webmistressatwork.com Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jessica Zame http://webmistressatwork.com/ From tfarid at riedc.com Wed Mar 15 16:55:14 2000 From: tfarid at riedc.com (Farid, Tarek) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:55:14 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail Question? Message-ID: <797956E7585DD211857F0060943F032444904F@printra01.riedc.com> I am trying to configure sendmail 8.9.3-15 on a red hat linux 6.1 box to relay to other domains. I am sure many of you experts on mailman have done this. Any tips are very much appreciated. -Tarek Farid From ricardo at rixhq.nu Wed Mar 15 20:29:17 2000 From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:29:17 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman improvement suggestion (cookies problemes) In-Reply-To: ; from jbaddor@crossworld.echo.org on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 10:15:27AM -0500 References: <20000314192036.A28902@miss-janet.com> Message-ID: <20000315202916.A1040@miss-janet.com> On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 10:15:27AM -0500, Jean-Bernard ADDOR wrote: > Pierre-Martin set the system clock last night, without any effect, some of > our lists are still no more working, as if we didn't used cookies with our > browsers. > Your patch would be very welcome. If you indicate from witch line of the > existing code you take inspiration or copy, I'll have a look and I'll try > to understand. It will like it. well it turns out the functionality is already there in the code, but commented out :) have a look at ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py, around line 273, and remove the '##' in front of these three lines: ## form.AddItem('Admin password: ') ## form.AddItem(PasswordBox('adminpw')) ## form.AddItem('

') This way, you can manually type the password when submitting the pending posts... I hope this is what you're looking for... Ricardo. -- From ricardo at rixhq.nu Wed Mar 15 20:50:56 2000 From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 20:50:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Total newbie needs install help In-Reply-To: <38CFB029.806CD0A7@webmistressatwork.com>; from jzame@webmistressatwork.com on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 10:45:45AM -0500 References: <38CFB029.806CD0A7@webmistressatwork.com> Message-ID: <20000315205056.C1040@miss-janet.com> Hi, On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 10:45:45AM -0500, jzame at webmistressatwork.com wrote: > I would love to install Mailman on my web host, however, I am having > trouble figuring it out. If there is anyone out there who wouldn't mind > giving a modicom of (very) beginners direction to get me started, please > email me at jzame at webmistressatwork.com Any help greatly appreciated. Download, the archive from the website... install it somewhere with 'gzip -cd mailman.tar.gz | tar xvf -' and read the README and INSTALL files. If you have any specific questions after reading that, you can ask them on this list... if you tell us at what point exactly you get stuck, we can see how we can help you out :) Ricardo. -- From allen at gist.net.au Wed Mar 15 23:23:36 2000 From: allen at gist.net.au (Allen Bolderoff) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:53:36 +1030 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? In-Reply-To: Message from Tim Sailer of "Tue, 14 Mar 2000 10:04:23 CDT." <20000314100423.A7574@bnl.gov> Message-ID: <20000315222336.C22FDAD2A@harper.gist.net.au> sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov said: > That's exactly what happened! Whee! Thanks to everyone for the help! > Tim which one was the problem? for future reference thanks From sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov Wed Mar 15 23:26:59 2000 From: sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov (Tim Sailer) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:26:59 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? In-Reply-To: <20000315222336.C22FDAD2A@harper.gist.net.au>; from allen@gist.net.au on Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 08:53:36AM +1030 References: <20000315222336.C22FDAD2A@harper.gist.net.au> Message-ID: <20000315172659.B23473@bnl.gov> On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 08:53:36AM +1030, Allen Bolderoff wrote: > > sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov said: > > That's exactly what happened! Whee! Thanks to everyone for the help! > > Tim > > > which one was the problem? > > for future reference It was the base url in the mailman config file. I was using http://host/mailman and it was looking for http://host/cgi-bin/mailman. Tim -- (work) sailer at bnl.gov / (home) tps at buoy.com - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "Paranoia is a survival mechanism." -- Anon ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** From nick at zork.net Wed Mar 15 23:38:43 2000 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:38:43 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trailing space Message-ID: <20000315143843.M28315@zork.net> I've got a list, and I want the subjects to look like this: Subject: [listname] hello, world. But unfortunately lynx strips trailing whitespace from input boxes. So instead, my subject lines look like this: Subject: [listname]hello, world. Since mailman doesn't seem to use plain-text configuration files, I can't just go in and manually add the space. How the hell do I add a space in? I don't have X on my box, so that's out of the question. -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu Thu Mar 16 00:56:51 2000 From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 00:56:51 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got milk? In-Reply-To: <20000315172659.B23473@bnl.gov> Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Tim Sailer wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 08:53:36AM +1030, Allen Bolderoff wrote: > > > > sailer at sailer.itd.bnl.gov said: > > > That's exactly what happened! Whee! Thanks to everyone for the help! > > > Tim > > > > > > which one was the problem? > > > > for future reference > > It was the base url in the mailman config file. I was using http://host/mailman > and it was looking for http://host/cgi-bin/mailman. Yes, this is the default in the debian packages, because cgi-bin/mailman can be handled by having a single symlink in /usr/lib/cgi-bin, so there is no need for webserver reconfiguration after installing the package... it is explained in detail in /usr/doc/mailman/README.Debian ... -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo at caesar.elte.hu gorgo at linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/ From jwt at dskk.co.jp Thu Mar 16 02:12:22 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:12:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trailing space In-Reply-To: <20000315143843.M28315@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 02:38:43PM -0800 References: <20000315143843.M28315@zork.net> Message-ID: <20000316101222.B14071@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 02:38:43PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: >[...] But unfortunately lynx strips trailing whitespace from input > boxes. So instead, my subject lines look like this: > > Subject: [listname]hello, world. > > Since mailman doesn't seem to use plain-text configuration > files, I can't just go in and manually add the space. You can modify the configuration at the command line by taking advantage of the bin/withlist tool: (open the list configuration database with locking, change it, save it, and unlock it) $ python -i bin/withlist -l my-list >>> print m.subject_prefix [My-list] >>> m.subject_prefix = "[My-list] " >>> m.Save() >>> m.Unlock() >>> EOF (Ctrl-D for Unix) Alternatively, if you need to do this to a lot of lists, Utils.map_maillists can be used to apply a function of your own devising across your lists. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 16 02:19:03 2000 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:19:03 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trailing space In-Reply-To: <20000316101222.B14071@mail.dskk.co.jp>; from jwt@dskk.co.jp on Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 10:12:22AM +0900 References: <20000315143843.M28315@zork.net> <20000316101222.B14071@mail.dskk.co.jp> Message-ID: <20000315171903.R28315@zork.net> begin Jim Tittsler quotation: > $ python -i bin/withlist -l my-list > >>> print m.subject_prefix > [My-list] > >>> m.subject_prefix = "[My-list] " > >>> m.Save() > >>> m.Unlock() > >>> EOF (Ctrl-D for Unix) This worked like a charm. Beaujolais to you! -- CrackMonkey.Org - Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks LinuxCabal.Org - Co-location facilities and meeting space Pigdog.Org - The Online Handbook for Bad People of the Future You are not entitled to your opinions. From claw at kanga.nu Thu Mar 16 03:04:42 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:04:42 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trailing space In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Moffitt of "Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:38:43 PST." <20000315143843.M28315@zork.net> References: <20000315143843.M28315@zork.net> Message-ID: <30753.953172282@kanga.nu> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:38:43 -0800 Nick Moffitt wrote: > How the hell do I add a space in? I don't have X on my box, > so that's out of the question. Does W3M or Emac's W3 mode also trime whitespace? -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From esew at verio.net Thu Mar 16 10:48:48 2000 From: esew at verio.net (Erik S.E. Walum) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 04:48:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] cgi problem? Message-ID: <20000316044847.A10535@verio.net> I'm running mailman 1.1 on Solaris 2.6 with the latest Exim. I've built a solaris package of mailman on a seperate host than the listserver. After installing and checking permissions and personalizing mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py and building a new list, I'm unable to subscribe myself from the user interface. The admin interface seems to work fine, I can seemingly make any necessary configuration changes, but upon using the mailman/listinfo/ page to subscribe to a list as a user, I get the following: You must supply a valid email address. You must supply a valid password, and confirm it. I've supplied a valid address, and a confirmed password. Suggestions? Anyone seen this before? -- Erik Walum Internet Systems Engineer Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Erik Walum Internet Systems Engineer Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team From tata at technolog.fr Thu Mar 16 11:43:35 2000 From: tata at technolog.fr (Eul CoyotuXXL) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:43:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Postfix] Looking for the right Bouncer.py Message-ID: <20000316104335.C6CD975F84@dns2.technolog.fr> Hello ! I've read in this list that we need a patched Bouncer.py to run mailman with postfix. I've tried to find the mailman 1.2 beta, but it isn't available on the www.list.org site. Is someone could give me the file ? -- N'encombrez plus la bande passante : d?fragmentez votre com21... (c) derri?re les rochers 2000 From jwt at dskk.co.jp Thu Mar 16 14:41:24 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 22:41:24 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Postfix] Looking for the right Bouncer.py In-Reply-To: <20000316104335.C6CD975F84@dns2.technolog.fr>; from tata@technolog.fr on Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:43:35AM +0100 References: <20000316104335.C6CD975F84@dns2.technolog.fr> Message-ID: <20000316224124.A17002@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 11:43:35AM +0100, Eul CoyotuXXL wrote: > I've read in this list that we need a patched Bouncer.py > to run mailman with postfix. Not exactly. A revised Bouncer scheme allows easier catching of "bounces" from remote mailers that refuse mail for people that have subscribed to your lists. > I've tried to find the mailman 1.2 beta, but it isn't > available on the www.list.org site. Information on the CVS is a little hidden... it is in the "listinfo" for the Mailman-checkins mailing list. http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-checkins There is also a web interface available: http://cvs.python.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/ -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From bizfarm at eite.pair.com Thu Mar 16 17:00:08 2000 From: bizfarm at eite.pair.com (Roberto Boschin) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:00:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender (fwd) Message-ID: Hi, I posted a message to a brand new list and I received this error back. I don't understand if this means that I have to resend the message to the list or not. I don't understand if this is an error message related to a subscriber or if it is related to the whole list (that means: the message hasn't been mailed to the whole list). Regards, Roberto Boschin. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 08:30:38 -0500 (EST) From: Mail Delivery System To: bizfarm at businessfarm.com Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the Postfix program at host pairlist.net. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please contact If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program : Command died with status 1: "/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper post job-net". Command output: starting luca at softhome.net: not found starting Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/mailman/scripts/post", line 86, in ? main() File "/usr/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main mlist.Post(msg) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1250, in Post Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 54, in DeliverToList func(mlist, msg) File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 81, in process fp.write(msgtext) IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe From andy.ciordia at goingv.com Thu Mar 16 17:15:04 2000 From: andy.ciordia at goingv.com (Andy Ciordia) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:15:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Command died with status 2 Message-ID: Now ages ago I saw this post go by, and this error just started when I built a new list and postalias'd it. I cannot for the life of me remember when I saw this error on the list but the archives being nonsearchable makes it difficult to find a solution. Running Postfix, Alias: DBM : Command died with status 2: "/d0/mailman/mail/wrapper post pgdchosts" Help is appreciated, -A From andy.ciordia at goingv.com Thu Mar 16 18:04:46 2000 From: andy.ciordia at goingv.com (Andy Ciordia) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 12:04:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANS: Command Died Status 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rememberance. Mailman must have its GID, by me running postalias as root it messed that all up. I'm curious if I can just chown those to mailman.mailman and would it be happy that way too.. Problem solved, sorry for the spam. -A From cmshields at korrnet.org Thu Mar 16 23:06:25 2000 From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:06:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] no such file or dir.. Message-ID: Hello, I've managed to get Mailman up and running well on a test Linux system (thanks to this list!), but now running into a problem getting on our Solaris machine. Everything is installed, but I can't get check_perms or and other script in $prefix/bin to work. I get this message: /usr/bin/env: No such file or directory I also get the following error message when I pull up the www.my.domain/mailman/listinfo page: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main immediate=1) File "/usr/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File "/usr/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__ self.__get_f() File "/usr/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f reraise() File "/usr/local/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/home/mailman/logs/error' It looks like a permission problem, but I thought I had learned that lesson on our Linux box.. I was very careful to follow the INSTALL doc on permissions. I suspect these two error messages are related to the same thing, but can't figure it out. Anyone have any suggestions?? thank you, *************************** Craig Shields Computer/Network Technician KORRnet www.korrnet.org *************************** From kevinc at monrou.com Fri Mar 17 01:42:58 2000 From: kevinc at monrou.com (Kevin N. Carpenter) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:42:58 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail address mismatch Message-ID: Hi all - I'm running version 1.1 under Redhat Linux 6.1 and have an annoying problem: On the one active list I have, some of my subscribers post are needing to be approved, even through they show as being subscribed. The only thing that appears unique, although I don't have enough data to draw a conclusion, is that their e-mail addresses come in mixed case. Their subscription is also mixed case. Is this a known problem? What's the resolution? Thanks in advance, Kevin C. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1744 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000316/dd417f55/attachment.bin From johnf at xue.unalmed.edu.co Fri Mar 17 15:55:56 2000 From: johnf at xue.unalmed.edu.co (Administrador de etc etc...) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:55:56 -0500 (COT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple mail message In-Reply-To: <000a01bf8dcc$62b90280$680d11ac@w2220695.bc> Message-ID: I've been running into the same problem lately, and I can't blame Mailman, it seems to be an issue with Sendmail 8.X, wich version are you running?, you're using linux?. My problems start when I upgrade to RH 6.1 and the sendmail version included. JohnF. On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Marcos Jose Candido Euzebio wrote: > I checked the archives and there were a few messages on this thread without > a proper solution being found though, besides waiting for version 1.2. > > We are experimenting the same problem here with our listserver. We run > mailman, version 1.1, on top of sendmail. > > There is a list with about 1.700 subscribers. Mailman delivers the messages > in four batches (500+500+500+~200) and that is fine, however it insists in > always duplicating one of the batches, sent twice. There is no observable > pattern on the duplication. It may be the first batch with one message and > the second with another and so on, and on. > > This is a really boring problem and we are even thinking about going back to > version 1.0 (it seems that the problema didn?t happen then). Can anybody > sugest a better solution? > > Thanks a lot, > > Marcos Euzebio > -- > mailto:marcos.euzebio at bcb.gov.br > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From marcos.euzebio at bcb.gov.br Fri Mar 17 16:24:24 2000 From: marcos.euzebio at bcb.gov.br (=?iso-8859-1?B?TWFyY29zIEpvc+kgQ+JuZGlkbyBFdXrpYmlv?=) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:24:24 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple mail message In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801bf9024$e19935c0$680d11ac@w2220695.bc> > I've been running into the same problem lately, and I can't > blame Mailman, > it seems to be an issue with Sendmail 8.X, wich version are > you running?, > you're using linux?. My problems start when I upgrade to RH > 6.1 and the > sendmail version included. > > JohnF. Yes John, I guess ours is a similar environment to yours. It is mailman 1.1 and sendmail 8.9.3 on the top of linux (redhat 6.1). And you are right, the problems started since we upgraded to redhat 6.1. Well, I don?t know if I fixed the problem or it is only hiding from me (most problably). I changed one parameter of the list (number of concurrent batches, to 10, # subscribers =~ 1.700) and the problem stoped. I also changed the permissions of the whole mailman tree. It used to be root.mailman and I changed it to mailman.mailman. There were three posts to the list by now and they have been delivered without duplication. However, let's see. Thanks for your reply. Marcos Euz?bio -- mailto:marcos.euzebio at bcb.gov.br From cmshields at chips.rtd.utk.edu Fri Mar 17 18:06:32 2000 From: cmshields at chips.rtd.utk.edu (Craig Shields) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:06:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError Message-ID: I think I may have my permissions/path problems resolved now as I can at least run the scripts under ~/mailman/bin, but when I DO run any script I'm now getting this output: #################### Traceback (innermost last): File "/dev/fd/4", line 19, in ? ImportError: No module named paths ##################### Why is it looking to /dev?? I should mention that I have corrected the permissions after the installation of Mailman. Do I need to recompile now? thanks, Craig Shields From rullfig at uchicago.edu Fri Mar 17 18:41:41 2000 From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:41:41 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError References: Message-ID: <38D26E55.72DF04E3@uchicago.edu> Craig Shields wrote: > > I think I may have my permissions/path problems resolved now as I can at > least run the scripts under ~/mailman/bin, but when I DO run any script > I'm now getting this output: > > #################### > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/dev/fd/4", line 19, in ? > ImportError: No module named paths > ##################### > Why is it looking to /dev?? That /dev/fd/4 message looks related to a problem I occassionally get with Perl! Are you running Solaris 7? In my case it echoes (sometimes) /dev/fd/3 instead of the name of the Perl script whenever an error occurs or when I look at the process with ps (i.e. /opt/bin/perl /dev/fd/3). It's inconsistent though but I'd really like to know what's causing it. What shell are you running the script from? > > I should mention that I have corrected the permissions after the > installation of Mailman. Do I need to recompile now? > -- Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu Systems Administrator Networking Services and Information Technologies University of Chicago From alberty at allnix.com Fri Mar 17 19:12:04 2000 From: alberty at allnix.com (Al Youngwert) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:12:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with posting messages (wrapper returns 2) Message-ID: <38D27574.74E5BC35@allnix.com> I'm trying to get mailman ver 1.1 to work on my system. Details are: Corel Linux (debian i386) Exim version 2.05 MailMan version 1.1 The mail system seems to be working properly (local users can send and receive mail). Mailman subscriptions seem to work ok also, when I subscribed myself from a mail acount on another system and domain, I got the welcome message. Problem is when I try to post a message to the list I get the following error: ktgtest at listserv.knosysinc.com: generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ktgtest: Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper So it appears that exim doesn't like the fact that wrapper is returing a 2 when it executes. Also, wrapper doesn't appear to be doing anything that I can find (although I'm not sure where it puts the message). Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. al. From claw at kanga.nu Fri Mar 17 19:56:18 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:56:18 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with posting messages (wrapper returns 2) In-Reply-To: Message from Al Youngwert of "Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:12:04 MST." <38D27574.74E5BC35@allnix.com> References: <38D27574.74E5BC35@allnix.com> Message-ID: <20892.953319378@kanga.nu> On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:12:04 -0700 Al Youngwert wrote: > ktgtest at listserv.knosysinc.com: generated > |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ktgtest: Child process of > address_pipe transport returned 2 from command: > /home/mailman/mail/wrapper How have you confiugred Exim for Mailman? Have you used the stanzas listed at exim.org? > So it appears that exim doesn't like the fact that wrapper is > returing a 2 when it executes. Also, wrapper doesn't appear to be > doing anything that I can find (although I'm not sure where it > puts the message). Wrapper is a shell that hands off to any of a number of other scripts that actuially do the work. Anything interesting in /var/lib/mailman/logs? -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From cmshields at korrnet.org Fri Mar 17 20:18:04 2000 From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:18:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] ImportError In-Reply-To: <38D26E55.72DF04E3@uchicago.edu> Message-ID: Yes, Solaris 7 and running mailman script from csh. Looks like we may have gotten the problem corrected. We did a re-install of Python then Mailman and things are working. Someone else had previously (we thought) isntalled Python, but not in /usr/local/bin. I was trying to install Mailman and point to where (we thought) python was and nothing was working. Python wasn't in user 'mailman''s path. Turns out Python hadn't successfully installed. After reinstalling, it can be found under /usr/local/bin and mailman works. That's probably not much help to you because I still don't fully understand why it was looking at /dev/fd/4. Craig Shields On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Roberto Ullfig wrote: > Craig Shields wrote: > > > > I think I may have my permissions/path problems resolved now as I can at > > least run the scripts under ~/mailman/bin, but when I DO run any script > > I'm now getting this output: > > > > #################### > > Traceback (innermost last): > > File "/dev/fd/4", line 19, in ? > > ImportError: No module named paths > > ##################### > > Why is it looking to /dev?? > > That /dev/fd/4 message looks related to a problem I > occassionally get with Perl! Are you running Solaris 7? In my > case it echoes (sometimes) /dev/fd/3 instead of the name of the > Perl script whenever an error occurs or when I look at the > process with ps (i.e. /opt/bin/perl /dev/fd/3). It's > inconsistent though but I'd really like to know what's causing > it. What shell are you running the script from? > > > > > I should mention that I have corrected the permissions after the > > installation of Mailman. Do I need to recompile now? > > > > > -- > Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu > Systems Administrator > Networking Services and Information Technologies > University of Chicago > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From kent at applix.com Fri Mar 17 21:36:39 2000 From: kent at applix.com (Kent C. Kollasch) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 15:36:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rebuilding newsgroups from Mailman archives Message-ID: <200003172036.PAA21173@smaug.applix.com> Does anyone know how to rebuild a newsgroup from a mailman archive? Hopefully somebody has written a script to resend mailman archives to the news gateway... Kent From esew at verio.net Sat Mar 18 00:13:46 2000 From: esew at verio.net (Erik S.E. Walum) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:13:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman over ssl Message-ID: <20000317181346.C15249@verio.net> any reason this shouldn't work? -- Erik Walum Internet Systems Engineer Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team From lindsey at mallorn.com Sat Mar 18 01:18:03 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:18:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman over ssl In-Reply-To: <20000317181346.C15249@verio.net>; from Erik S.E. Walum on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:13:46PM -0500 References: <20000317181346.C15249@verio.net> Message-ID: <20000317181803.A30623@mallorn.com> > any reason this shouldn't work? Probably, as I've yet to see things just suddenly stop working for no reason... Now, the reason may not be known, but there's still a reason. :) I have Mailman working successfully over SSL. What symptoms are you seeing, exactly? Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Lindsey President/CEO, Mallorn Computing Senior System Engineer, National Center for Supercomputing Applications From ted at frohling.org Sat Mar 18 20:17:33 2000 From: ted at frohling.org (Ted Frohling) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:17:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] closed list message approval Message-ID: <38D3D64D.DEDBB1C0@frohling.org> Gee, I know this must be documented somewhere but I haven't been able to find it... I recently moved all my lists to using Mailman from listproc. One of the features one of my list owners used quite a bit and now misses was the ability to approve a message post by email and now apparenly must use the web page to do so. Is there a `hidden' way to do these approvals by email? thanks, -- Ted Frohling (TF30-ARIN) The University of Arizona 520.621.4834 CCIT Room 307 tsf at Arizona.EDU PO Box 210073 www.Telcom.Arizona.EDU/tsf Tucson, AZ 85721-0073 From pgonzale at ens.com.mx Sat Mar 18 22:45:31 2000 From: pgonzale at ens.com.mx (Marcos Paulo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez?= Otero) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:45:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Aproving Not working... Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000318134218.00b3bcf0@ens.com.mx> Hello. I am running a closed list. list at des.domain.com And have an alias at list at domain.com that forwards to list at des.domain.com I have put an alias list at domain.com in the List setup parameter. I have disabled moderator aproval. But the mesages are still getting quequed for aproval. Mailman 1.1 red hat 6.1 apache 1.3.6. Everything elese works like a charm Any pointers? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GCR Desarrollos M. 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Warsaw) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:24:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] closed list message approval References: <38D3D64D.DEDBB1C0@frohling.org> Message-ID: <14549.28609.802777.112796@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TF" == Ted Frohling writes: TF> I recently moved all my lists to using Mailman from listproc. TF> One of the features one of my list owners used quite a bit and TF> now misses was the ability to approve a message post by email TF> and now apparenly must use the web page to do so. Is there a TF> `hidden' way to do these approvals by email? No. It's something I really want to add, but not until after the next release. -Barry From jim at morningwatch.com Mon Mar 20 02:11:43 2000 From: jim at morningwatch.com (Jim Davis) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:11:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding real names to a roster Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000319190902.00b4b100@ampa.pair.com> I am new to this list. My web provider has just started offering mailman and I am learning how to use it. Is is possible to include real names as part of the address in the roster. I tried to do this and it did not take. Is there a special syntax for this? From: "Barry A. Warsaw" >Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:24:33 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] closed list message approval > > >>>>> "TF" == Ted Frohling writes: > > TF> I recently moved all my lists to using Mailman from listproc. > TF> One of the features one of my list owners used quite a bit and > TF> now misses was the ability to approve a message post by email > TF> and now apparenly must use the web page to do so. Is there a > TF> `hidden' way to do these approvals by email? > >No. It's something I really want to add, but not until after the next >release. > >-Barry From alberty at allnix.com Mon Mar 20 03:06:44 2000 From: alberty at allnix.com (Al Youngwert) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:06:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with posting messages (wrapper returns 2) References: <38D27574.74E5BC35@allnix.com> Message-ID: <38D587B4.FF9C8B4F@allnix.com> I figured out my problem: the GID that mailman was configured for did not match the GID that exim was running the wrapper script from. Obviously I'm a bozo but I imagine there are enough other bozos out there that this should probably be in the FAQ. The error was not easy to trace down because other than what I described below, the only other place it is reported is in syslog mail.error. Thanks for the help. Al Youngwert wrote: > I'm trying to get mailman ver 1.1 to work on my system. Details are: > > Corel Linux (debian i386) > Exim version 2.05 > MailMan version 1.1 > > The mail system seems to be working properly (local users can send and > receive mail). Mailman subscriptions seem to work ok also, when I > subscribed myself from a mail acount on another system and domain, I got > the welcome message. > > Problem is when I try to post a message to the list I get the following > error: > > ktgtest at listserv.knosysinc.com: > generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ktgtest: > Child process of address_pipe transport returned 2 from command: > /home/mailman/mail/wrapper > > So it appears that exim doesn't like the fact that wrapper is returing a > 2 when it executes. Also, wrapper doesn't appear to be doing anything > that I can find (although I'm not sure where it puts the message). > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > al. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From josh at ernestallen.com Mon Mar 20 04:52:20 2000 From: josh at ernestallen.com (Joshua Erdman) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:52:20 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 Message-ID: <002301bf921f$b15f2f70$fdf0a2cd@ernestallen.com> When replaying to a confirmation of subscription message is get the message returned with the following text: The original message was received at Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:59:45 -0800 from tron.ernestallen.com [205.162.240.253] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd eaacustomers" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd eaacustomers"... unknown mailer error 2 I am using sendmail and the error hints that the program occurs because it is not configured to send to a program, however it works fine when I send messages to eaacustomers at ernestallen.com and that send to a program. below are the entries in my aliases file: ## eaacustomers mailing list ## created: 19-Mar-2000 mailman eaacustomers: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post eaacustomers" eaacustomers-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner eaacustomers" eaacustomers-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd eaacustomers" owner-eaacustomers: eaacustomers-admin eaacustomers-owner: eaacustomers-admin the error message in the maillog is: Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15400]: TAA15400: from=, size=1589, class=0, pri=31589, nrcpts=1, msgi d=<001c01bf921c$c37c8340$fdf0a2cd at ernestallen.com>, proto=SMTP, relay=tron.ernestallen.com [205.162.240.253] Mar 19 19:36:46 superx Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2. (Reconfigure to take 2?) Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15401]: TAA15400: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd eaacustomers", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2 Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15401]: TAA15400: forward /home/jerdman/.forward.superx+: Group writable directory Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15401]: TAA15400: forward /home/jerdman/.forward+: Group writable directory Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15401]: TAA15400: forward /home/jerdman/.forward.superx: Group writable directory Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15401]: TAA15400: forward /home/jerdman/.forward: Group writable directory Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15401]: TAA15400: TAA15401: DSN: unknown mailer error 2 Mar 19 19:36:46 superx sendmail[15401]: TAA15401: to=, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent When I run check_perms -f it says that there are no problems. GID 12 is the mail group and GID 2 is daemon Any ideas? Joshua Erdman Ernest & Allen, Inc. Network Systems Administrator Tel (805) 781-0317 Fax (805) 781-0725 josh at ernestallen.com From gietl at gietl.com Mon Mar 20 07:15:03 2000 From: gietl at gietl.com (Andreas Gietl) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:15:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp failure Message-ID: <38D5C1E7.B4611D1C@gietl.com> hi mailman-users, perhaps anyone can tell me how i might fix this little problem. where is the host defined that mailman trys to contact? Mar 19 22:52:19 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To gietl at gietl.com: Mar 19 22:52:19 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / host not found (deferred) Mar 19 22:52:19 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting? thank you andreas -- andreas gietl gietl internet services fon +49 9402 2551 fax +49 9402 2604 mobile +49 171 60 70 008 gietl at gietl.com ############################################ # Das Handbuch sagt, das Programm ben?tige # # Windows 95 oder besser. Also habe ich # # Linux installiert! # ############################################ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 2019 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000320/94c264b8/attachment.bin From nathan at robotics.net Mon Mar 20 07:33:44 2000 From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:33:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive file attachments Message-ID: Is there a way to have the archiver save attachments and then link them to the mssage as hypermail does? Right now if you look through the list archives and want to get a attachment you need to import it into some mail package. ><> Nathan Stratton nathan at robotics.net http://www.robotics.net From nathan at robotics.net Mon Mar 20 07:37:21 2000 From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:37:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.error Message-ID: My list is broken again, I did not change anything. If I looked at the SMTP errors look I see a much of socket.error /host not found (deferred) and Mabe your MTA deamon needs restarting? errors. Sendmail is running fine on the box, so I dont know what the problem is. A) How can I fix this. B) How can I send all the deferred posts? ><> Nathan Stratton nathan at robotics.net http://www.robotics.net From claw at kanga.nu Mon Mar 20 07:49:40 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:49:40 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive file attachments In-Reply-To: Message from Nathan Stratton of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:33:44 EST." References: Message-ID: <18080.953534980@kanga.nu> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:33:44 -0500 (EST) Nathan Stratton wrote: > Is there a way to have the archiver save attachments and then link > them to the mssage as hypermail does? Right now if you look > through the list archives and want to get a attachment you need to > import it into some mail package. I recommend use of an external archiving package such as MHonArc. MHonArc handles MIME and MIME attachments particularly well, both for national character sets, attachment types, various Microsoft perversions, etc. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Mon Mar 20 07:51:24 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:51:24 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] socket.error In-Reply-To: Message from Nathan Stratton of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:37:21 EST." References: Message-ID: <18333.953535084@kanga.nu> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 01:37:21 -0500 (EST) Nathan Stratton wrote: > My list is broken again, I did not change anything. If I looked at > the SMTP errors look I see a much of socket.error /host not found > (deferred) and Mabe your MTA deamon needs restarting? > errors. Sendmail is running fine on the box, so I dont know what > the problem is. What happens when, from a shell prompt on that box, you do the following: $ telnet localhost smtp Do you get a welcome message from your MTA? If you don't that's why MailMan is complaining. Debug that and you should be back to battery. > B) How can I send all the deferred posts? This will happen automatically as part of the normal cron job. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From codyb at PATCHLINK.COM Mon Mar 20 17:02:07 2000 From: codyb at PATCHLINK.COM (Cody Bailey) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:02:07 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't subscribe. Pending request won't complete. Message-ID: <2486BC5448EAD311B33B00508B93803D04483A@mail.patchlink.com> Everything works great, the web admin, the group creation, the stuff in bin, etc. Except for this one thing. When I reply to the -request alias, nothing else happens. In /usr/mailman/logs/subscribe I have all the pending requests. Mar 20 08:48:39 2000 : pending @ xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx I have that for each request I tried. Question: Am i supposed to set the home dir to /usr/mailmain in /etc/passwd if that is where i installed it? From dewrell at vvm.com Mon Mar 20 19:32:33 2000 From: dewrell at vvm.com (Gary Dewrell) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:32:33 -0600 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help! Message-ID: I keep seeing the following error in the error log: Mar 20 12:24:02 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/home/mailman/public_html/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 237, in ArchiveMail post: h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article) post: File "/home/mailman/public_html/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 385, in processUnixMailbox post: a=articleClass(m, self.sequence) # Create an article object post: File "/home/mailman/public_html/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 242, in __init__ post: date=time.mktime(date)-tzoffset post: OverflowError: mktime argument out of range Any help would be appreciated. This seems to only happen when we get listmail from certain addresses. Gary Dewrell We love feedback Please let us know how we are doing. Email feedback at vvm.com From farzy at via.ecp.fr Tue Mar 21 17:39:18 2000 From: farzy at via.ecp.fr (Farzad Farid) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:39:18 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman support LDAP? Message-ID: How can I interface Mailman with a users base stored in an LDAP server? Is it alreay supported, is there a patch for it? What about accessing an SQL database ? Thanks -- Farzad FARID Ing?nieur Informatique Libre Alc?ve - http://www.alcove.fr/ From mjinks at bsd.uchicago.edu Wed Mar 22 00:45:03 2000 From: mjinks at bsd.uchicago.edu (mjinks at bsd.uchicago.edu) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:45:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confidentiality features Message-ID: <20000321174503.O16886@bsd.uchicago.edu> Disclaimer: I may just need to RTFM. I'd look at the mailing list archives but they don't appear to be searchable. Please redirect me if these are FAQ's. I've just set up MailMan for a user here who wants to use it for hosting a list for survivors of sexual abuse. So MailMan's return address stripping feature was very attractive. But there are some hitches for us. First of all, in testing it appears that although the "From:" header is stripped, the "X-Sender:" still comes through, as does the sender's IP address. We're in a university, so back-tracing an IP address to a nearby individual is not that tough, and could certainly be seen as a gap for confidentiality. Could X-Sender and IP also be stripped? Have I missed some detail? On the other hand, this user wants to be able to peek behind the curtain in those cases where confidentiality needs to be violated -- for example if a poster to the list claims to be suicidal or otherwise seems dangerous. I showed the user that he'd see the real return address if we set the list to be moderated, but he didn't like that idea. Any clues? Can identifying information be made available, say, to the list owner only? TIA, -m -- =================================================================== Michael Jinks, IB Fear technology. Enterprise Systems Engineer University of Chicago/Biological Sciences Division =================================================================== From petro at atypon.com Wed Mar 22 02:47:31 2000 From: petro at atypon.com (Christopher C. Petro) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:47:31 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron generates an error. Message-ID: Every noon, and at 1700 I get: Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Status: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 77, in ? main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1 File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 34, in main list = MailList.MailList(name, lock = 0) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info in my inbox. This is obviously from the /cron/checkdbs and /cron/senddigests, I've got that much. Any clues as to what is causing this? How can I figure out which list is bad, and which config file it's looking for. -- We have only come here seeking knowledge Things they would not teach us of in college.--The Police http://www.atypon.com petro at atypon.com From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Mar 22 05:53:49 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:53:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 Message-ID: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> I've just uploaded the Mailman 2.0 beta 1 tarball to www.list.org. I decided to name the new version "2.0" because of the architectural changes that have been made. See the excerpt from the NEWS file below for details of what's changed since version 1.1. Two important things to take note of. You will need Python 1.5.2 to run this version of Mailman. Also, if you are upgrading from Mailman 1.x you will need to read the UPGRADING file for instructions. I don't plan to make wider release announcements until 2.0 final is ready to go, but I also don't expect the beta cycle to be very long. We'll see! Enjoy, -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- - A new bundled auto-responder has been added. You can now configure an autoresponse text for each list's primary addresses: listname at yourhost.com -- the general posting address listname-request at ... -- the automated "request bot" address listname-admin at ... -- the human administrator address - The standard UI now includes three logos at the bottom of the page: Dragon's Mailman logo, the Python Powered logo, and the GNU logo. All point to their respective home pages. - It is now possible to set the Reply-To: field on lists to an arbitrary address. NOTE: Reply-To: munging is generally considered harmful! However for some read-only lists, it is useful to direct replies to a parallel discussion list. - There is a new message delivery architecture which uses a pipeline processor for incoming and internally generated messages. Mailman no longer contains a bundled bulk-mailer; instead message delivery is handled completely by the MTA. Most MTAs give a high enough priority to connections from the localhost that mail will not be lost because of system load, but this is not guaranteed (or handled) by Mailman currently. Be careful also if your smtpd is on a different host than the Mailman host. In practice, mail lossage has not be observed. For this reason cron/run_queue is no longer needed (see the UPGRADING file for details). Also, you can choose whether you want direct smtp delivery, or delivery via the command line to a sendmail-compatible daemon. You can also easily add your own delivery module. See Mailman/Defaults.py for details. - A similar pipeline architecture for the parsing of bounce messages has been added. Most common bounce formats are now handled, including Qmail, Postfix, and DSN. It is now much easier to add new bounce detectors. - The approval pending architecture has also been revamped. Subscription requests and message posts waiting for admin approval are no longer kept in the config.db file, but in a separate requests.db file instead. - Finally made consistent the use of Sender:/From:/From_ in the matching of headers for such things as member-post-only. Now, if USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER is true, Sender: will always be chosen over From:, however the default has been changed to USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER false so that From: is always chosen over Sender:. In both cases, if no header is found, From_ (i.e. the envelope sender is used). Note that the variable is now misnamed! Most people want From: matching anyway and any are easily spoofable. - New scripts bin/move_list, bin/config_list - cron/upvolumes_yearly, cron/upvolumes_monthly, cron/archive, cron/run_queue all removed. Edit your crontab if you used these scripts. Other scripts removed: contact_transport, deliver, dumb_deliver. - Several web UI improvements, especially in the admin page. - Remove X-pmrqc: headers to prevent return reciepts for Pegasus mail users. - Security patch when using external archivers. - Honor "X-Archive: No" header by not putting this message in the archive. - Changes to the log file format. - The usual bug fixes. From dereks at kd-dev.com Wed Mar 22 05:49:31 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:49:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature questions Message-ID: Hello, I am new to MailMan, and have a couple of quick feature questions. First, it is possible to set up a mailing list that does *not* require a password for its subscribers? Second, I currently use Majordomo and a customer had a feature request: He has several mailing lists (6 of them). Many of the people subscribed to the first three are also subscribed to the last three. If he has an important announcement that needs to go to all the subscribers of all the lists, he mails the message to all 6 mailing lists to make sure everyone gets the announcement. This means there are several people who get 3, 4, or even 6 copies of these important announcement messages (note that a special "announce" mail list is not appropriate for his needs). What he would like is an MLM that can do a union of subscribers based on the "To: " field of the email message. So if he sends a message To: list1 at server.com, list2 at server.com, list3 at server.com ...and someone is subscribed to 2 or 3 of those lists, that someone will receive only ONE copy of the message. After hearing this feature request, I think it's an awesome idea. I'm subscribed to several Open Source mail lists where there are "users", "dev", "annouce", etc. lists and I routinely get multiple copies of email messages. Theoretically, this would be a simple array union of the expanded recipient lists. In Perl, this would be very simple (I've never really seen Python code--yet). So my questions are: a) Does this feature exist in MailMan b) If not, would it be difficult to implement, given the architecture of MailMan c) (Also if not) Is anyone willing to implement this for me :) Thanks, Derek Simkowiak dereks at kd-dev.com From dereks at kd-dev.com Wed Mar 22 05:54:35 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:54:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives (another feature question) In-Reply-To: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: Can the archives be configured to be searchable? If I want my MailMan archives to be searchable off of a website (ala Slashdot/Freshmeat/LinuxToday articles) is there an easy, built-in way to do this? Thanks, Derek Simkowiak dereks at kd-dev.com From claw at kanga.nu Wed Mar 22 06:35:26 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:35:26 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives (another feature question) In-Reply-To: Message from Derek Simkowiak of "Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:54:35 PST." References: Message-ID: <32415.953703326@kanga.nu> On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:54:35 -0800 (PST) Derek Simkowiak wrote: > Can the archives be configured to be searchable? If I want > my MailMan archives to be searchable off of a website (ala > Slashdot/Freshmeat/LinuxToday articles) is there an easy, built-in > way to do this? You need to use an external search tool. I use UdmSearch (and an external archiver, MHonArc). -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From ajc at bing.wattle.id.au Wed Mar 22 06:37:42 2000 From: ajc at bing.wattle.id.au (Andrew J Cosgriff) Date: 22 Mar 2000 16:37:42 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Announce] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: "Barry A. Warsaw"'s message of "Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:53:49 -0500 (EST)" References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <1yd7onva3d.fsf@earthling.aia.aig.com.au> Barry A. Warsaw wrote : > I've just uploaded the Mailman 2.0 beta 1 tarball to www.list.org. > I decided to name the new version "2.0" because of the architectural > changes that have been made. See the excerpt from the NEWS file > below for details of what's changed since version 1.1. Cool ! Sorry to jump so quickly, but... ...I like the fact that it now only shows 4K worth of a "too big" message, but is there any chance you could make the admin page (and maybe the messages sent both to the poster and list-admin) actually mention how big the message is ? Maybe something like "Reason: Message body is too big (160K exceeds the limit of 40K)" ? Thanks heaps :) -- Andrew J Cosgriff lost and found lives From Jtsang at crystal.com.cn Wed Mar 22 07:17:40 2000 From: Jtsang at crystal.com.cn (James Tsang) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:17:40 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] share IP and virtual hosting Message-ID: <9185D64A31F4D311BE7300001C088F0706332F@CPFS07> sorry, for I do not know where can I put. since I want a server hold several host ( virtual hosting). But my IP address is less than host number, any hints should be welcome. thanks very much. james. From pf at artcom-gmbh.de Wed Mar 22 08:31:04 2000 From: pf at artcom-gmbh.de (Peter Funk) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:31:04 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> from "Barry A. Warsaw" at "Mar 21, 2000 11:53:49 pm" Message-ID: Hi Barry! Barry A. Warsaw: > I've just uploaded the Mailman 2.0 beta 1 tarball to www.list.org. I > decided to name the new version "2.0" because of the architectural > changes that have been made. See the excerpt from the NEWS file below > for details of what's changed since version 1.1. [...snip...] What about Juans i18n-patches? Have they been integrated? I've not found anything about them in your annoucement. Unfortunately I promised to keep an eye on the german translation of mailman and I am way behind my schedule because lack of time. :-( Regards, Peter From secabeen at pobox.com Wed Mar 22 17:03:13 2000 From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:03:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature questions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:49:31 PST." Message-ID: <200003221603.KAA23110@entropy.uchicago.edu> In message , Derek Simkowiak writes: > What he would like is an MLM that can do a union of subscribers >based on the "To: " field of the email message. So if he sends a message > >To: list1 at server.com, list2 at server.com, list3 at server.com > > ...and someone is subscribed to 2 or 3 of those lists, that >someone will receive only ONE copy of the message. After hearing this >feature request, I think it's an awesome idea. I'm subscribed to several >Open Source mail lists where there are "users", "dev", "annouce", etc. >lists and I routinely get multiple copies of email messages. Duplicate elimination is really a problem that should be solved at the user end, not at the server end. A simple filter that discards any message whose message id has already been seen can easily be written up in procmail, and is one of the examples in the man page. I don't know if windows mail clients support this feature, but they should. -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen secabeen at pobox.com Check Website or finger for PGP Public Key secabeen at midway.uchicago.edu "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon cococabeen at aol.com "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot 73126.626 at compuserve.com From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Mar 22 17:17:34 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:17:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <14552.61982.651941.678488@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "PF" == Peter Funk writes: PF> What about Juans i18n-patches? Have they been integrated? PF> I've not found anything about them in your annoucement. I've been working on integrating them, but I feared that they were too large of a change, and I had enough important patches backed up (including a security patch) that it warranted release now without the I18N changes. My plan is to get 2.0 final out the door soon, and then get the I18N stuff put in. That'll probably be in a 3.0 release, but we'll see. PF> Unfortunately I promised to keep an eye on the german PF> translation of mailman and I am way behind my schedule because PF> lack of time. :-( Sounds familar ;} No worries. The I18N stuff /will/ get integrated. -Barry From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Wed Mar 22 17:19:35 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:19:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature questions In-Reply-To: <200003221603.KAA23110@entropy.uchicago.edu>; from secabeen@pobox.com on Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:03:13AM -0600 References: <200003221603.KAA23110@entropy.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <20000322171935.I18291@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:03:13AM -0600, Ted Cabeen wrote: > Duplicate elimination is really a problem that should be solved at the user > end, not at the server end. A simple filter that discards any message whose > message id has already been seen can easily be written up in procmail, and is > one of the examples in the man page. I don't know if windows mail clients > support this feature, but they should. Of course not, since they reinvent the wheel for fun and profit everytime. Alternatively, you can use procmail for local delivery (for every user!) and have a generic procmailrc: # Nuke duplicate messages :0 Wh: $PMDIR/msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 65536 $PMDIR/msgid.cache -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb First Law of System Requirements: "Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about..." From JWILDGRUBE at mail.amia.org Wed Mar 22 17:29:11 2000 From: JWILDGRUBE at mail.amia.org (John Wildgrube) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:29:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not responding to commands Message-ID: <200003221625.LAA77902@amia2.amia.org> I have just added about 12 new lists to the lists that Mailman already handles for my organization. Since these lists were added, I cannot configure them via my browser. When I hit the submit changes button, I am again asked for a list password - when provided, I am returned to the General List Options page and none of my changes have been made. My browser (IE5) will accept and generate the cookies that mailman needs, but Mailman seems not to be listening. Any help would be appreciated. John ---------------------------------------- John Wildgrube Systems Administrator American Medical Informatics Association Public PGP Key http://www.amia.org/pgp_jwildgrube.html From alex at phred.org Wed Mar 22 17:31:50 2000 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:31:50 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives (another feature question) References: Message-ID: <058c01bf941c$2081b5f0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "Derek Simkowiak" > Can the archives be configured to be searchable? If I want my > MailMan archives to be searchable off of a website (ala > Slashdot/Freshmeat/LinuxToday articles) is there an easy, built-in way to > do this? No, there isn't a built in way to do this. I do it for my lists by sending the traffic over to a Windows 2000 machine, then using the NT/2000 Indexing Service to index the messages. All of this can be done in Unix as well, I just had the NT/2000 machine handy and was familiar with the Indexing Service. http://catfood.phred.org/query.asp shows what I have done. MHonArc seems to provide search capabilities, but the sites that I've seen setup with it only allow you to search within a given month. That is really annoying for lists which have years of traffic. alex From pf at artcom-gmbh.de Wed Mar 22 18:06:13 2000 From: pf at artcom-gmbh.de (Peter Funk) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:06:13 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives (another feature question) In-Reply-To: <058c01bf941c$2081b5f0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> from alex wetmore at "Mar 22, 2000 8:31:50 am" Message-ID: Hi! > From: "Derek Simkowiak" > > Can the archives be configured to be searchable? If I want my > > MailMan archives to be searchable off of a website (ala > > Slashdot/Freshmeat/LinuxToday articles) is there an easy, built-in way to > > do this? alex wetmore schrieb: > No, there isn't a built in way to do this. > > I do it for my lists by sending the traffic over to a Windows 2000 machine, > then using the NT/2000 Indexing Service to index the messages. All of this > can be done in Unix as well, I just had the NT/2000 machine handy and was > familiar with the Indexing Service. > > http://catfood.phred.org/query.asp shows what I have done. > > MHonArc seems to provide search capabilities, but the sites that I've seen > setup with it only allow you to search within a given month. That is really > annoying for lists which have years of traffic. If you happen to run Mailman on a Linux box as I do, chances are good that a ready compiled 'htdig' package comes included with your Linux distribution CDs and is eventually already preinstalled. Setup of htdig is easy and then htdig is happy to include your pipermail archives into its fulltext search database together with all the other to be indexed HTML material on your server. Works like a charme. Regards, Peter P.S.: I use SuSE Linux. From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Mar 22 18:48:15 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:48:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] confidentiality features References: <20000321174503.O16886@bsd.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <14553.1887.233014.783985@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Please trim followups to mailman-developers at python.org... >>>>> "mjinks" == writes: mjinks> First of all, in testing it appears that although the mjinks> "From:" header is stripped, the "X-Sender:" still comes mjinks> through, as does the sender's IP address. We're in a mjinks> university, so back-tracing an IP address to a nearby mjinks> individual is not that tough, and could certainly be seen mjinks> as a gap for confidentiality. Could X-Sender and IP also mjinks> be stripped? Have I missed some detail? Mailman doesn't know about X-Sender, so it doesn't by default strip those. You'd probably also have to grok through Received: headers and others to truly anonymize the message. mjinks> On the other hand, this user wants to be able to peek mjinks> behind the curtain in those cases where confidentiality mjinks> needs to be violated -- for example if a poster to the mjinks> list claims to be suicidal or otherwise seems dangerous. mjinks> I showed the user that he'd see the real return address if mjinks> we set the list to be moderated, but he didn't like that mjinks> idea. Any clues? Can identifying information be made mjinks> available, say, to the list owner only? Here's the approach I would explore, using the 2.0 code base. Write a message handler module (see Mailman/Handlers/* for examples), calling it Anonymize.py. Put this in the pipeline such that every message passes through it before it's delivered to the archiver, or usenet, or the list. In this module, you'd strip or munge all the headers you want. To support lifting the curtain, you can store (securely, on the file system) whatever information gleaned out of the message is necessary to link the poster with the email message. You might even key both off of a randomly generated ID, which you'd poke into the outgoing message. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't be too hard to extend this idea into a general framework for email anonymizing. Given an MTA that can handle highly dynamic updates to it's alias database, you're "randomly generated ID" above would be used to create a Reply-To: address pointing back to your anonymizing service. Your add-on stuff would handle delivering back to the original user based on the random address. Oooh, what a neat idea! Let me know if you decide to play around with this. It'd be really cool to add some more anonymizing features in a future version. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Mar 22 18:50:28 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:50:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives (another feature question) References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <14553.2020.95352.552428@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> BTW, it's spelled "Mailman" not "MailMan"! >>>>> "DS" == Derek Simkowiak writes: DS> Can the archives be configured to be searchable? If I DS> want my MailMan archives to be searchable off of a website DS> (ala Slashdot/Freshmeat/LinuxToday articles) is there an easy, DS> built-in way to do this? Our archives are searchable through the standard Python.Org search pages. Try www.python.org/search or for a more direct interface to the Ultraseek server, hit search.python.org -Barry From claw at kanga.nu Wed Mar 22 19:03:57 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:03:57 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives (another feature question) In-Reply-To: Message from "alex wetmore" of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:31:50 PST." <058c01bf941c$2081b5f0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <058c01bf941c$2081b5f0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <2646.953748237@kanga.nu> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:31:50 -0800 alex wetmore wrote: > MHonArc seems to provide search capabilities, but the sites that > I've seen setup with it only allow you to search within a given > month. That is really annoying for lists which have years of > traffic. MHonArc does not provide indeving, it merely does the HTML transaltions and cataloguing of email. As the format of the producted HTML is near infinitely configurable, you can then throw in any choice of search tools. As mentioned previously, I use MHonArc for indexing and UdmSearch (atop MySQL) for search, and yes, my list archives go back to 1997 and they're all searchable at once. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From rsr at inorganic.org Wed Mar 22 19:29:54 2000 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:29:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such file or directory when using /admin Message-ID: Having copied a mailman directory (preserving permissions as far as we can see) from one machine to another, when we try to use http://mailman/admin/, we get: --- Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main lst = MailList.MailList(list_name) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock self.__lock.lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory --- I checked (some of) the archives; the other situations I've seen that were similar involved bogus lockfiles. Right now, my ~mailman/locks directory is empty, so I don't think that's it. BTW, check_perms gives no problems. Suggestions? -roy From rsr at inorganic.org Wed Mar 22 19:45:18 2000 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:45:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] No such file or directory when using /admin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Replying to my own post ... The problem was that while all the dirs were setgid, not all the dirs were group-writable. For some reason, check_perms missed on this fact. Chmoding everything so it's group-writable solved the problem. New problem, however: For some reason, no list is publicly advertised, despite the fact all of them should be and dumping their config suggests they are. Suggestions? -roy From cmshields at korrnet.org Wed Mar 22 20:04:27 2000 From: cmshields at korrnet.org (Craig Shields) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:04:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating and passwords Message-ID: I have migrated a couple of closed lists from Listproc to Mailman and have configured the new mailman lists' archives to be available to only list members. Using the add_members script only imports mail address. How do I create a password for list members to use without having to go back and re-add them one at a time? I used the add_members script to avoid doing that. Can I create a (temporary) password for all list members and let them change it at their next change password reminder? thanks, Craig Shields From dereks at kd-dev.com Wed Mar 22 21:10:10 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:10:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature questions In-Reply-To: <200003221603.KAA23110@entropy.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: > > What he would like is an MLM that can do a union of subscribers > >based on the "To: " field of the email message. > Duplicate elimination is really a problem that should be solved at the user > end, not at the server end. Why? One could just as easily state that maintaining recipient lists is a problem that should be solved at the user end, not the server end. This is a mailing list related feature that would make life easier on the mail list users, which is the whole point of Mail List Managers. > A simple filter that discards any message whose message id has already > been seen can easily be written up in procmail, and is one of the > examples in the man page. a) procmail is fairly technical and difficult to set up for "average" people like my grandmother (who is an avid email user but couldn't edit a syntax-sensitive text file to save her life). b) There are many platforms which do not have procmail, such as MS-Windows platforms, Internet appliances (I-Opener, WebTV, Dreamcast, etc.), and AFAIK Macintosh. c) Many/most email clients (on all platforms) do not have procmail's advanced filtering capabilities, and even if they did, few "average" people would know how to use those features. These are some of the reasons it would make a good MLM feature. Since it was implied that MailMan does not have this feature, my other two questions still stand: 1) How hard would it be to implement this feature in MailMan, given its architecture? 2) Are there any Python/MailMan programmers who would be willing to help me with this? Thanks, Derek Simkowiak dereks at kd-dev.com From secabeen at pobox.com Wed Mar 22 21:42:03 2000 From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:42:03 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature questions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:10:10 PST." Message-ID: <200003222042.OAA25730@entropy.uchicago.edu> In message , Derek Simkowiak writes: >> > What he would like is an MLM that can do a union of subscribers >> >based on the "To: " field of the email message. >> Duplicate elimination is really a problem that should be solved at the user >> end, not at the server end. > Why? One could just as easily state that maintaining recipient >lists is a problem that should be solved at the user end, not the server >end. Because you have no idea what people are doing with the mail. Someone could have subscribed an exploder list to yours and someone could get two copies that way. Once a mail has left your list server, anything could happen to it. If a user then didn't want to get a mail twice, they would prevent it from happening. It's also possible that someone is using the number of times they get a mail as a measure of it's importance. By eliminating this option, you remove another feature that someone might be using. I'm not trying to say that doing duplicate address checking is a bad thing, I just feel that it's not something that should be included in mailman itself. If you need it, feel free to modify mailman to do it. I just would prefer that we not continue to clutter the Mailman admin interface with this particular option. -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen secabeen at pobox.com Check Website or finger for PGP Public Key secabeen at midway.uchicago.edu "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon cococabeen at aol.com "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot 73126.626 at compuserve.com From dereks at kd-dev.com Wed Mar 22 22:07:35 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:07:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature questions In-Reply-To: <200003222042.OAA25730@entropy.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: > > Why? One could just as easily state that maintaining recipient > >lists is a problem that should be solved at the user end, not the server > >end. > Because you have no idea what people are doing with the mail. Someone could > have subscribed an exploder list to yours and someone could get two copies > that way. Once a mail has left your list server, anything could happen to > it. I'm not sure what you're point is here. If the MLM knows that a copy of a message is going to a particular email address, then sending a single copy of that message out the MTA seems like a practical, effective savings of (a) system and network resources, and (b) time and effort of the people subscribed to those lists. > It's also possible that someone is using the number of times they get > a mail as a measure of it's importance. By eliminating this option, > you remove another feature that someone might be using. It's also possible that pigs will fly out of my butt, or that a meteor will land on my server and destroy it, but that doesn't mean a vast majority of people wouldn't want to (automatically) avoid duplicate mail messages. > I'm not trying to say that doing duplicate address checking is a bad > thing, I just feel that it's not something that should be included in > mailman itself. Obviously I disagree :). Personally, I think others would also find this feature very useful, and I do not think think that a single checkbox would "clutter" the admin interface. I think feedback is needed from other MailMan users to determine how strong the demand (or objection) is for this feature. Since no other MLM (I know of) has this feature, it could be a good competitive edge for MailMan. Of course, I don't know who the project mainter is, and if you're the project maintainer then your decision stands :). Somebody else please give your opinions... --Derek From ambar at altavista.com Thu Mar 23 01:01:48 2000 From: ambar at altavista.com (Jean Marie Diaz) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:01:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] interesting twist on "unknown mailer error 2" Message-ID: I am attempting to install 2.0 beta 1 on an Alpha running Digital Unix 4.0D. This machine is currently serving a number of lists with majordomo and sendmail. It doesn't use smrsh. The message in syslog is: Mar 22 15:29:16 av-ops4 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid d, GOT gid d. (Reconfigure to take d?) gid 'd', huh? I tried running (as the mailman user) python -c'import os; print os.getgid()'. The result was 60, which is what I fed to --with-mail-gid. Any more clues? The web interface is all working splendidly, but I get this error when confirming my subscription to the test list. Ambar From hyla at mail.ebbs.com.au Thu Mar 23 01:47:17 2000 From: hyla at mail.ebbs.com.au (Robert Davidson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:47:17 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Held mail Message-ID: <20000323114717.B5204@mail.ebbs.com.au> Hi Everyone. We've set up Mailman on one of our servers (version 1.1) using Exim as the mail server. Most people can mail through fine, but a few cant, me being one of them. The problem is that Mailman seems to think I'm not subscribed, although I am. My username on the PC is "puttputt", the email account I am sending from is "pathetic at mail.ebbs.com.au". The mail client is Netscape Comm 4.61, the PC is also on the local network, but the same problem occurs when I'm at home (same email client too, but a later version). The message that Mailman holds is as so. I've put a "-" in front of some lines since a few mail clients could mistake this as another message (seen it happen before :) - From pathetic at mail.ebbs.com.au Thu Mar 23 11:02:13 2000 - Received: from virtual.ebbs.com.au ([203.34.65.50] ident=mail) - by ecom.ebbs.com.au with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) - id 12Xv4n-0003e3-00 - for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:02:13 +1100 - Received: from quake.ebbs.com.au (mail.ebbs.com.au) [203.34.65.199] - by virtual.ebbs.com.au with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) - id 12Xvfa-0001TH-00; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:40:14 +1100 - Sender: puttputt - Message-ID: <38D9FD7D.B63DFB4B at mail.ebbs.com.au> - Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:18:21 +0000 - From: Robert Davidson - X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) - X-Accept-Language: en - MIME-Version: 1.0 - To: ice-linux at lists.ebbs.com.au - Subject: Good morning :) - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that maybe the Sender: line is whats upsetting it. The From: line looks correct to me. Any help appreciated. Regards, Robert Davidson. hyla at mail.ebbs.com.au From hyla at mail.ebbs.com.au Thu Mar 23 03:28:57 2000 From: hyla at mail.ebbs.com.au (Robert Davidson) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:28:57 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Held mail - "fixed" Message-ID: <20000323132857.A8931@mail.ebbs.com.au> Hi all. I fixed the mail holding problem I was having in Message.py, it was in the GetSender() part from memory. It preferred to use the "Sender:" field in a message, then failing that, it would use "From:" and failing that it would use "unixfrom:" or something like that.. It's the first time I've looked at Python code (I'm a C programmer) must say I like python :) I simply changed it's preferences around, so it's now From, Sender, unixfrom. Any problems with this? The other thing which I havn't researched much is how to make my modified Message.py into binary code since there is other binary files in that directory like Messages.pyc and Messages.pyo (this is a Debian 2.2 installation). How do I make my own .pyc file? I know how to make a .pyo from a .pyc Regards, Robert Davidson. From aaron+mailman at schrab.com Thu Mar 23 10:52:27 2000 From: aaron+mailman at schrab.com (Aaron Schrab) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:52:27 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Feature questions In-Reply-To: ; from dereks@kd-dev.com on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:49:31PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20000323035227.U8063@pug.qqx.org> At 20:49 -0800 21 Mar 2000, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > What he would like is an MLM that can do a union of subscribers > based on the "To: " field of the email message. So if he sends a message > > To: list1 at server.com, list2 at server.com, list3 at server.com > > ...and someone is subscribed to 2 or 3 of those lists, that > someone will receive only ONE copy of the message. After hearing this And which list should the message be sent from? I filter my mail into different mailboxes based on the list the I got it from, and the difference in when I read those mailboxes can easily be several days. I'd be quite upset if an important message that was crossposted to both high and low priority mailing lists that I'm on got filed into a low priority mailbox because of a feature like this. -- Aaron Schrab aarons at execpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ Any given program, when running, is obsolete. From engels at win.tue.nl Thu Mar 23 00:41:44 2000 From: engels at win.tue.nl (engels at win.tue.nl) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:41:44 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Make Big $$$ From Home & Get FREE Travel! Message-ID: <165.360922.592724@www.travelthruspace.com> If you could simply advertise an 800# and take orders from home could you spend 2 hours per day answering your phone? Each week our Directors are making $2-3000 using our simple system to sell the nation's #1 vacation package. You too can begin making $1000 on a $1295 sale and get FREE travel. Our reps are signing 3- 5 new members weekly. Your prospects call you! Everyone loves to travel and everyone could use some extra $$$$. So if you are serious about making $3000 per week starting in the next 30 days call us toll free. Call: 1.888.818.7068 From hans.lohmander at ei.sigma.se Thu Mar 23 12:39:00 2000 From: hans.lohmander at ei.sigma.se (Hans Lohmander) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:39:00 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper died with status 2 Message-ID: <38DA0254.720D4F97@ei.sigma.se> Hi, trying out mailman but have the following problem when posting to the list. The Postfix program : Command died with status 2: "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mmtest" Have looked in the archive and I did not find any relies to this problem, but a couple of posts with the same problem. Postfix latest model, RH6.0, mailman from yesterday. Does anyone know what to do? TIA Hans -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Hans Lohmander -- Sigma Exallon Information AB Internet & Intranet solutions Talkto:+46 (0)40 247636 Faxto:+46 (0)40 24 99 50 Mobile# +46 (0)709-898636 mailto:hans.lohmander at ei.sigma.se http://www.ei.sigma.se/ ICQ# 9319123 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: hans.lohmander.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 372 bytes Desc: Card for Hans Lohmander Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000323/9417ebe2/attachment.vcf From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Thu Mar 23 14:50:52 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:50:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BMailman-Users=5D_Does_Mailman_support_local_characters?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_like=E5=E4=F6=C5=C4=D6?= In-Reply-To: <38DA1BC5.48A3B0C@ei.sigma.se>; from hans.lohmander@ei.sigma.se on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:27:33PM +0100 References: <38DA081E.3C24825A@ei.sigma.se> <38DA1BC5.48A3B0C@ei.sigma.se> Message-ID: <20000323145052.F1151@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 02:27:33PM +0100, Hans Lohmander wrote: > Yes it does, in the posting but NOT in the mail archive. > > Is this a bug? > I think so. Somehow I think so, too. There are several points where this can be annoying: 1) In the archive -- it really sucks there 2) When approving via the web interface -- I just cannot properly read the mail I'm supposed to aceept/reject. Perhaps mailman should have some kind of charset translation like in mutt! -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb If I had a ( for every $ the government spent, what would I have? Typical unix response: Too many ('s. From tal at research.bell-labs.com Thu Mar 23 16:47:05 2000 From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:47:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting the raw list of users Message-ID: <38DA3C79.F8C3D38B@research.bell-labs.com> The people that run mailing lists on my servers would like to be able to get at a raw list of the email addresses. (i.e. as a .txt file, instead of .html). Preferably using a URL that they can "wget" and pipe to other processing scripts. They do not have logins on the server itself. Is there such a URL? Thanks in advance, --tal From alex at phred.org Thu Mar 23 17:25:14 2000 From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:25:14 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting the raw list of users References: <38DA3C79.F8C3D38B@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <08c401bf94e4$5eb619b0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Two easy ways: 1) Send email to -request@ with who in the body 2) Write a cron entry that runs list_members and saves the output to a .txt file that is accessible via the web or something. alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Limoncelli" To: "mailman users" Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting the raw list of users > The people that run mailing lists on my servers would like to be able to get > at a raw list of the email addresses. (i.e. as a .txt file, instead of > .html). Preferably using a URL that they can "wget" and pipe to other > processing scripts. They do not have logins on the server itself. > > Is there such a URL? > > Thanks in advance, > --tal > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From marc_news at valinux.com Thu Mar 23 20:14:22 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:14:22 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Locking problem? Message-ID: <20000323111422.A22359@marc.merlins.org> ----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon ----- Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /var/local/mailman/cron/gate_news Exception Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError: in ignored ----- End forwarded message ----- I think I got mailman upset by feeding a lot of messages at it, and at some point, I had to rm * in the locks directory. Now, I have the following: arc:/var/local/mailman/locks$ l total 20 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 2048 mar 23 11:12 ./ drwxrwsr-x 15 root mailman 2048 d?c 1 01:39 ../ -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 afscv-announce.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 afscv-events.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 afscv-talk.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 empeg-bugs.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 empeg-general.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 empeg-programming.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 empeg-projects.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 empeg-technical.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 empeg-wishlist.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 92 mar 23 11:10 gate_lock.empeg-bugs -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 95 mar 23 11:10 gate_lock.empeg-general -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 99 mar 23 11:10 gate_lock.empeg-programming -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 mar 23 11:10 gate_lock.empeg-projects -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 97 mar 23 11:10 gate_lock.empeg-technical -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 96 mar 23 11:10 gate_lock.empeg-wishlist -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 88 mar 23 11:12 mmqueue_run.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 mar 23 08:40 test.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 81 mar 23 09:37 zark.lock Any idea how to fix the problem above? Marc -- Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers) Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Fri Mar 24 14:55:48 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:55:48 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:53:49PM -0500 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <20000324145548.J16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:53:49PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > I've just uploaded the Mailman 2.0 beta 1 tarball to www.list.org. I You know what really bugs me: It's called mailman.tar.gz Why on earth can't you just encode the version in the name like everybody does -- I mean, the subdir is called mailman-2.0beta1, why not call the binary mailman-2.0beta1.tar.gz then? > decided to name the new version "2.0" because of the architectural > changes that have been made. See the excerpt from the NEWS file below > for details of what's changed since version 1.1. What happened to 1.2 ? I've got 1.1 installed, updated via CVS to mailman-1.2b1 and now we have 2.0 ? =:) -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb In brightest day, in blackest night no evil shall escape my sight! From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Fri Mar 24 16:02:09 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:02:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:53:49PM -0500 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <20000324160209.L16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:53:49PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > - cron/upvolumes_yearly, cron/upvolumes_monthly, cron/archive, > cron/run_queue all removed. Edit your crontab if you used these > scripts. Other scripts removed: contact_transport, deliver, > dumb_deliver. I did't see that mentioned in UPGRADING -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb "The percentage of users running Windows NT Workstation 4.0 whose PCs stopped working more than once a month was less than half that of Windows 95 users."-- microsoft.com/ntworkstation/overview/Reliability/Highest.asp From nbecker at fred.net Fri Mar 24 16:53:49 2000 From: nbecker at fred.net (nbecker at fred.net) Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:53:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0beta1 test failure In-Reply-To: Hans Lohmander's message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:39:00 +0100" References: <38DA0254.720D4F97@ei.sigma.se> Message-ID: After upgrading 1.1-2.0b1, I tried to send mail to test. Here's the bounce I got. Any ideas? This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message sent by could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: test at hns.com: generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: ------ |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test ------ starting ending starting ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: Received: from nbecker by rpppc2.hns.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12YWM5-0004j2-00 for test at hns.com; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:50:33 -0500 To: test at hns.com Subject: testing... Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: nbecker at fred.net Date: 24 Mar 2000 10:50:33 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 1 Sender: testing... From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU Fri Mar 24 17:08:38 2000 From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:08:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird problem Message-ID: <200003241608.KAA15126@netman.eng.auburn.edu> I have a machine running debian potato at the very latest patch level (apt upgrade) with mailman 1.1-4. I have python-base 1.5.2-9 (incidentally, I think it's time somebody removed the dependency on libdb1.85 which no longer exists (now called libdb1-1.85 *sigh*). I go to admin page.. enter list password. I'm in. Click on a section, back to password.. back in. Every single thing I click on, sends me back to re-enter the password. I also cannot change the password. I know it's not my browser because i have another machine setup to run mailman at essentially the same patchlevel that does not have this problem. I haven't been able to find any significant difference between the two machines, which is really frustrating. Does anybody have any advice on tracking this down? There is nothing at all in the mailman error log file (/var/log/mailman/error) which is owned by user list. I have tried reinstalling (after --purge) mailman, but that didn't seem to help. Permissions on the list I tried to create are owned by root and group owned by 'list'. (the files in /var/lib/mailman/lists/ Could this be a permissions problem? a cookie problem? I can easily give access to a testlist if somebody would like to look around. Doug Hughes Engineering Network Services doug at eng.auburn.edu Auburn University From betoes at igbt.sel.eesc.sc.usp.br Fri Mar 24 17:31:24 2000 From: betoes at igbt.sel.eesc.sc.usp.br (Jose Roberto B. de A. Monteiro) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:31:24 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0beta1 test failure Message-ID: <20000324133124.A832@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br> > After upgrading 1.1-2.0b1, I tried to send mail to test. Here's the > bounce I got. Any ideas? > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message sent by > > > > could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) > failed: > > test at hns.com: > generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test > > The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: > >------ |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test ------ > >starting >ending >starting It can happen if you are using exim. If you do, go to http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html. From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU Fri Mar 24 18:34:20 2000 From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:34:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird problem In-Reply-To: <200003241608.KAA15126@netman.eng.auburn.edu> Message-ID: > >I have a machine running debian potato at the very latest patch >level (apt upgrade) with mailman 1.1-4. I have python-base 1.5.2-9 >(incidentally, I think it's time somebody removed the dependency on >libdb1.85 which no longer exists (now called libdb1-1.85 *sigh*). > >I go to admin page.. enter list password. I'm in. > >Click on a section, back to password.. back in. > >Every single thing I click on, sends me back to re-enter the password. >I also cannot change the password. > >I know it's not my browser because i have another machine setup to run >mailman at essentially the same patchlevel that does not have this >problem. I haven't been able to find any significant difference between >the two machines, which is really frustrating. Does anybody have any >advice on tracking this down? There is nothing at all in the >mailman error log file (/var/log/mailman/error) which is owned by user >list. >I have tried reinstalling (after --purge) mailman, but that didn't seem >to help. > >Permissions on the list I tried to create are owned by root and >group owned by 'list'. (the files in /var/lib/mailman/lists/ > >Could this be a permissions problem? a cookie problem? > >I can easily give access to a testlist if somebody would like to look >around. > Addendum: I now have two machines running same version of Debian with exact same symptoms. One is a laptop which used to run slink (and worked fine) now running frozen potato exhibits same problem. The third machine also is a debian potato, but was an upgrade from a slightly older potato. It works okay. The two fresh installs of potato exhibit the problem with passwords. Seems almost to be a cookie problem, or time, or something.. -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Doug Hughes Engineering Network Services System/Net Admin Auburn University doug at eng.auburn.edu From dwotto at hijra.net Fri Mar 24 18:53:34 2000 From: dwotto at hijra.net (Dave Otto) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:53:34 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan on Mac OS X 1.2 (Rhapsody)? Message-ID: Has anyone successfully compiled MailMan on Mac OS X 1.2? Dave Otto From tal at research.bell-labs.com Fri Mar 24 18:53:00 2000 From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:53:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.0 beta 1 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <20000324145548.J16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <38DBAB7C.D8544ED2@research.bell-labs.com> Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > Why on earth can't you just encode the version in the name like everybody > does -- I mean, the subdir is called mailman-2.0beta1, why not call the > [...tar file...] mailman-2.0beta1.tar.gz then? That's yet another reason to prefer GNU software to commericial stuff like mailman. GNU has a standard for the name of tar files: http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards_48.html#SEC48 "Package the distribution of Foo version 69.96 up in a gzipped tar file with the name `foo-69.96.tar.gz'. It should unpack into a subdirectory named `foo-69.96'. Have a great weekend everyone! --tal P.S. YES, I WAS KIDDING WHEN I SAID MAILMAN WAS COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE! From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Fri Mar 24 18:59:56 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:59:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <38DBAB7C.D8544ED2@research.bell-labs.com>; from tal@research.bell-labs.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:53:00PM -0500 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <20000324145548.J16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <38DBAB7C.D8544ED2@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20000324185956.D16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:53:00PM -0500, Tom Limoncelli wrote: > > Why on earth can't you just encode the version in the name like everybody > > does -- I mean, the subdir is called mailman-2.0beta1, why not call the > > [...tar file...] mailman-2.0beta1.tar.gz then? > > http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards_48.html#SEC48 > > > "Package the distribution of Foo version 69.96 up in a gzipped > tar file with the name `foo-69.96.tar.gz'. It should unpack into > a subdirectory named `foo-69.96'. > I rest my case :) -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb From nbecker at fred.net Fri Mar 24 19:20:03 2000 From: nbecker at fred.net (nbecker at fred.net) Date: 24 Mar 2000 13:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0beta1 test failure In-Reply-To: "Jose Roberto B. de A. Monteiro"'s message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:31:24 -0300" References: <20000324133124.A832@sel.eesc.sc.usp.br> Message-ID: >>>>> "Jose" == Jose Roberto B de A Monteiro writes: >> After upgrading 1.1-2.0b1, I tried to send mail to test. Here's the >> bounce I got. Any ideas? >> >> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. >> >> A message sent by >> >> >> >> could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) >> failed: >> >> test at hns.com: >> generated |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test >> >> The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: >> >> ------ |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test ------ >> >> starting >> ending >> starting Jose> It can happen if you are using exim. If you do, go to http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html. Thanks! Yes, I was using exim. The URL had just what I needed. From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Mar 24 20:20:56 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:20:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <20000324145548.J16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <14555.49176.232075.433045@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "RH" == Ralf Hildebrandt writes: RH> You know what really bugs me: It's called mailman.tar.gz Try http://www.list.org/mailman-2.0beta1.tgz. mailman.tar.gz is just symlinked to this (or whatever the latest tarball is). This works better for people who have automated scripts that suck distributions down because they don't have to change their script each time. You can even get older tarballs if you decode the naming scheme and guess at a URL. :) RH> What happened to 1.2 ? I've got 1.1 installed, updated via CVS RH> to mailman-1.2b1 and now we have 2.0 ? =:) Sounds like you're not on mailman-developers. Read this. http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2000-March/001911.html -Barry From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Mar 24 21:42:48 2000 From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:42:48 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Announce] Re: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <20000324145548.J16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <14555.49176.232075.433045@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <38DBD348.EA505876@west.sun.com> bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us wrote: > > >>>>> "RH" == Ralf Hildebrandt writes: > > RH> You know what really bugs me: It's called mailman.tar.gz > > Try http://www.list.org/mailman-2.0beta1.tgz. mailman.tar.gz is just > symlinked to this (or whatever the latest tarball is). This works > better for people who have automated scripts that suck distributions > down because they don't have to change their script each time. You > can even get older tarballs if you decode the naming scheme and guess > at a URL. :) A gracious response to a pretty ungrateful complaint... Chill, Ralf, and make sure you've got a leg to stand on... From Mads at Kiilerich.com Thu Mar 23 21:35:16 2000 From: Mads at Kiilerich.com (Mads Kiilerich) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:35:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5BMailman-Users=5D_Re=3A_=5BMailman-Users=5D?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_Does_Mailman_support_local_characters__like?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E5=E4=F6=C5=C4=D6?= In-Reply-To: <20000323145052.F1151@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: Today I got mail from Ralf Hildebrandt: > There are several points where this can be annoying: > > 1) In the archive -- it really sucks there > 2) When approving via the web interface -- I just cannot properly read the > mail I'm supposed to aceept/reject. > > Perhaps mailman should have some kind of charset translation like in mutt! IIRC the upcoming i18n changes adds/corrects some handling of codepages. -- Mads Kiilerich Sys.Adm. Stud.Polyt Mads at Kiilerich.com Tel. +45 38 16 26 00 Mob. +45 26 20 07 73 M?ntmestervej 12B 1th, DK-2400 NV, Denmark "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Knuth From rone at macromedia.com Sat Mar 25 00:49:20 2000 From: rone at macromedia.com (Ron Echeverri) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:49:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in logs/error Message-ID: <200003242349.PAA29340@wolf.macromedia.com> I am repeatedly seeing this pop up in $MAILMAN/log/error: Mar 24 15:38:21 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 236, in ArchiveMail post: h = HyperArch.HyperArchive(self) post: File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 543, in __init__ post: database=HyperDatabase.HyperDatabase(maillist.archive_dir())) post: File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 179, in __init__ post: d=pickle.load(f) post: EOFError: It does not appear to be happening periodically, but it is happening often. What should i be looking for? I apologize in advance if this error message is not helpful. thanks rone -- Ron Echeverri UNIX Systems Administrator Desk: x2149 Macromedia, Inc. Cell: +1-415-2547942 Pager: +1-888-6585681 From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sat Mar 25 15:04:08 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:04:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BMailman-Users=5D_Re:_=5BMailman-Users=5D_Does_Mailman_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?support_local_characters__like=E5=E4=F6=C5=C4=D6?= In-Reply-To: ; from Mads@Kiilerich.com on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 09:35:16PM +0100 References: <20000323145052.F1151@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <20000325150408.D14629@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 09:35:16PM +0100, Mads Kiilerich wrote: > > Perhaps mailman should have some kind of charset translation like in mutt! > > IIRC the upcoming i18n changes adds/corrects some handling of codepages. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 376 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000325/0a6c9462/attachment.pgp From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sat Mar 25 16:46:12 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:46:12 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 2.0 beta 1 In-Reply-To: <20000324145548.J16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>; from R.Hildebrandt@tu-bs.de on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 02:55:48PM +0100 References: <14552.20957.516043.218533@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <20000324145548.J16111@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <20000325164612.E15352@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Am 24.03.2000 um 14:55:48 +0100 schrieb Ralf Hildebrandt folgendes: > Why on earth can't you just encode the version in the name like everybody > does -- I mean, the subdir is called mailman-2.0beta1, why not call the > binary mailman-2.0beta1.tar.gz then? Ok, by now somebody told me that it's just a link to the most recent version to make automatic downloading easier ... > What happened to 1.2 ? I've got 1.1 installed, updated via CVS to > mailman-1.2b1 and now we have 2.0 ? =:) And that has also been solved... BTW -- I really like 2.0 -- it works as expected, I had no transition troubles. Great product! -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C Programs. From r.scheike at r2-net.de Sat Mar 25 20:25:36 2000 From: r.scheike at r2-net.de (Roland Scheike) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:25:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] HTML-Mails Message-ID: <38DD12B0.97553A87@r2-net.de> Hi, is there any possibility to automatically convert HTML-messages to plain-text? Or: How could I block HTML-Mails? Please answer with a copy to PM. Thanks a lot from germany, Roland From rpyne at kinfolk.org Sat Mar 25 21:03:17 2000 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problems - please help In-Reply-To: <38DD12B0.97553A87@r2-net.de> Message-ID: <20000325200325.83B3E27805@mail.kinfolk.org> On my test server (thank heaven) I just upgraded (?) to Mailman 2.0beta1. I first upgraded from Python 1.5.1 to 1.5.2 as the instructions said was necessary and then built and installed the new Mailman. now when i ty to access either the listinfo or the admin page I get an error. the traceback is: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 37, in main FormatListinfoOverview() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 85, in FormatListinfoOverview mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 881, in Load self.CheckVersion(dict) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 912, in CheckVersion Update(self, stored_state) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 52, in Update NewRequestsDatabase(l) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py", line 217, in NewRequestsDatabase r = getattr(l, 'requests', {}) TypeError: getattr requires exactly 2 arguments; 3 given The TypeError listed for both is the same. Has anyone else seen this and can anyone suggest a fix? Thanks in advance. --Richard ------------------------------ Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU rpyne at kinfolk.org http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2 From ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de Sat Mar 25 23:44:51 2000 From: ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (Matthias Andree) Date: 25 Mar 2000 23:44:51 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] Does Mailman support local characters=?iso-8859-1?q?_like=E5=E4=F6=C5=C4=D6?= In-Reply-To: Ralf Hildebrandt's message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:50:52 +0100" References: <38DA081E.3C24825A@ei.sigma.se> <38DA1BC5.48A3B0C@ei.sigma.se> <20000323145052.F1151@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: Ralf Hildebrandt writes: > 1) In the archive -- it really sucks there > 2) When approving via the web interface -- I just cannot properly read the > mail I'm supposed to aceept/reject. I'm currently filtering mailman input through emil to force things to use Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit and charset=iso-8859-1, which gets things right for me if it's not about attachments. This, however, imposes the risk of trashing those "high characters" (with MSB set) when using mail transfer agents that do not support 8->7 bit transfer conversion such as qmail or Postfix. (OTOH, if the recipient still is not 8-bit aware, he does not deserve better.) -- Matthias Andree Where do you think you're going today? From mfryd at neucoimage.com Sun Mar 26 01:34:47 2000 From: mfryd at neucoimage.com (Michael E. Fryd) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:34:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list Message-ID: I am in the process of setting up a read-only mailing list. Because the list should be read-only, I have set it to require approval for all posts. The list is to be a daily joke, sent out once a day. I would like to set up a cron job to send each day's message. How do I send a message from the local machine which doesn't require administrative approval? My first though was to define an address that is allowed to post without approval, and then forge that address from the cron job. However, anyone who figured out the address could then post from any machine. My preference is to set up the list security, so unapproved messages can only be sent by a program running directly on the mailman host machine. This should provide more security to prevent unwanted posts. I would then have the daily cron job queue that day's message using the program. Is this possible? Is it easy? Am I better off just relying on using a secret address for the sender? I am using mailman 1.1 on a Solaris 7 machine. -Thanks Michael Fryd -- +-----------------------------------------------------+ jokes at: Michael E. Fryd http://michael.fryd.com/ Neuco Image Group, Inc. e-mail: mfryd at neucoimage.com 523 Michigan Avenue Phone: (305) 673-5200 Miami Beach, FL 33139-6317 Fax: (305) 673-2950 -- +-----------------------------------------------------+ jokes at: Michael E. Fryd http://michael.fryd.com/ Neuco Image Group, Inc. e-mail: mfryd at neucoimage.com 523 Michigan Avenue Phone: (305) 673-5200 Miami Beach, FL 33139-6317 Fax: (305) 673-2950 From mherzog at brant.bio.uaf.edu Sun Mar 26 04:18:21 2000 From: mherzog at brant.bio.uaf.edu (Mark Herzog) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:18:21 -0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think I might just use a Perl script, a text file of emails and a cron job for this rather than Mailman.... If you're just going to send an email out once a day seems like Mailman's a bit on the "big" side....The Perl script could even generate an archive of old emails fairly easily. Mark Herzog > -----Original Message-----[edited] > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michael E. Fryd > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 3:35 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list > > How do I send > a message from the local machine which doesn't require > administrative approval? > The list is to be a daily joke, sent out once a day. > My first though was to define an address that is allowed to post > without approval, and then forge that address from the cron job. > However, anyone who figured out the address could then post from any > machine. From mfryd at neucoimage.com Sun Mar 26 05:50:44 2000 From: mfryd at neucoimage.com (Michael E. Fryd) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:50:44 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >I think I might just use a Perl script, a text file of emails and a cron job >for this rather than Mailman.... If you're just going to send an email out >once a day seems like Mailman's a bit on the "big" side....The Perl script >could even generate an archive of old emails fairly easily. > >Mark Herzog I have about 10 thousand visitors to my web site each day, and have already gotten hundreds of unsolicited requests asking me to set up a list. I expect the list to have 5 to 10 thousand members. With that many subscribers I need automation. My goal is to use Mailman to handle: - subscribe/un-subscribe requests via the web - detection and removal of bad addresses (bounced mail) - maintaining the subscriber list and keeping it secret - protecting the subscriber list so that only the official daily messages get sent. My thought was to try to use these features from an existing package like Mailman, disabling the features I don't need, rather than building a system from scratch. As for archiving, it's a feature I don't need. I have an existing web site with all the material already available. -Michael -- +-----------------------------------------------------+ jokes at: Michael E. Fryd http://michael.fryd.com/ Neuco Image Group, Inc. e-mail: mfryd at neucoimage.com 523 Michigan Avenue Phone: (305) 673-5200 Miami Beach, FL 33139-6317 Fax: (305) 673-2950 From bug at aphid.net Sun Mar 26 06:25:25 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:25:25 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains In-Reply-To: <38C67637.A1777A01@sapphire.net>; from david.sexton@sapphire.net on Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 03:48:07PM +0000 References: <38C67637.A1777A01@sapphire.net> Message-ID: <20000326142525.C27592@buggy.aphid.net> David, Thank you very much for these hints! I made the changes to MailList.py as you recommended. I was hoping for something like this. I have not experienced any problems yet. Could some Mailman top brass confirm whether making the changes that David suggested to MailList.py then changing the public name of the list will royally stuff something up that I've missed up till now? Thanks again Chuck From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sun Mar 26 14:06:10 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:06:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: ; from mfryd@neucoimage.com on Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 10:50:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000326140610.H2280@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 10:50:44PM -0500, Michael E. Fryd wrote: > My goal is to use Mailman to handle: > - subscribe/un-subscribe requests via the web MM does that > - detection and removal of bad addresses (bounced mail) MM does that > - maintaining the subscriber list and keeping it secret MM does that -- Privacy options: Who can view subscription list? Admin only > - protecting the subscriber list so that only the official > daily messages get sent. MM does that -- Privacy options: Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb I trust Microsoft. I trust them to be spectacularly unable to get anything right, including and especially hard things like large-scale industrial espionage. Sure, they'll make clownish, clumsy stabs at it and fail in predictable, amusing and embarassing ways, and then do it all over again. And their victi^H^H users will not only forgive them but spend a lot of energy making up excuses for them. From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Sun Mar 26 14:09:20 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:09:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: <20000326140610.H2280@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>; from R.Hildebrandt@tu-bs.de on Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 02:06:10PM +0200 References: <20000326140610.H2280@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <20000326140920.J2280@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Am 26.03.2000 um 14:06:10 +0200 schrieb Ralf Hildebrandt folgendes: > > - protecting the subscriber list so that only the official > > daily messages get sent. > > MM does that -- > Privacy options: > Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes Or alternatively -- add some prohibitions in your MTA which disallow posting to that address except for localhost or something... -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't even know existed can render your own computer unusable. From kevinc at monrou.com Sun Mar 26 19:13:05 2000 From: kevinc at monrou.com (Kevin N. Carpenter) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber e-mail address not recognized? Message-ID: I'm using Mailman 1.1 under Redhat Linux 6.1 and have a problem with a couple of addresses in a subscription list: The addresses appear to be fine, but Mailman is forcing post from a couple of the addresses to be approved. Most of the addresses in the list work great. I've tried removing and re-adding them to no avail. Any suggestions? Kevin C. From ptomblin at xcski.com Sun Mar 26 20:35:53 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 13:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscriber e-mail address not recognized? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000326133553.A32329@xcski.com> Quoting Kevin N. Carpenter (kevinc at monrou.com): > I'm using Mailman 1.1 under Redhat Linux 6.1 and have a problem with a > couple of addresses in a subscription list: > > The addresses appear to be fine, but Mailman is forcing post from a couple > of the addresses to be approved. Most of the addresses in the list work > great. I've tried removing and re-adding them to no avail. Have you looked to see if those people are using an MUA which attaches a "Sender:" header? I have a problem with one guy on one of my lists whose posts are continually held because he use Netscape Mail, and it attaches a "Sender: tom" to his posts. This hits my machine and gets changed to "Sender: tom at xcski.com", and since tom at xcski.com isn't on the list, his posts get held. He insists against all evidence that he's not putting on a Sender: header, and that the problem is on my end, but my mailing lists get a few thousand posts a day and his are the only ones causing problems. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "Faced with the prospect of rereading this book, I would rather have my brains ripped out by a plastic fork." - Charles Cooper reviews the new Gates book. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2230586,00.html From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sun Mar 26 21:46:02 2000 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:46:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problems - please help References: <38DD12B0.97553A87@r2-net.de> <20000325200325.83B3E27805@mail.kinfolk.org> Message-ID: <14558.26874.461715.385495@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "RBP" == Richard B Pyne writes: RBP> On my test server (thank heaven) I just upgraded (?) to RBP> Mailman 2.0beta1. I first upgraded from Python 1.5.1 to RBP> 1.5.2 as the instructions said was necessary and then built RBP> and installed the new Mailman. For some reason your Mailman installation is still picking up the Python 1.5.1 version. Try running configure again, using --with-python to specify the path to your Python 1.5.2 executable. -Barry From brett at pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net Sun Mar 26 23:57:07 2000 From: brett at pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net (Brett Dikeman) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:57:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] lockfile problem(traceback included) Message-ID: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 67, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__ self.Load() File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 860, in Load self.Lock() File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 1300, in Lock self.__lock.lock() File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 209, in lock os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted This is with 2.0b. The host is linux, mandrake 7.0, paranoid security level. Brett -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer iClick, Inc 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com From alamar at partners-intl.net Mon Mar 27 05:55:01 2000 From: alamar at partners-intl.net (Aaron La Mar) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:55:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest index with incorrect numbering Message-ID: As you can see from the example that follows, all of the digest indexes that are being generated by mailman on my server have "1" as the message number for every message. This is happening to every digest of every list I host. Any ideas? ...snip... Today's Topics: 1. Budapest: Senior Position on Gender and Cutlure (Serguei Alex Oushakine) 1. Women In Black: International Peace Network (Network of East-West Women) 1. WEB: Online Database of Literature on Philanthropy (Network of East-West Women) 1. B.a.B.e.'s Annual Report 1999 - Croatia (B.a.B.e.) --__--__-- Message: 1 ...snip... Thanks, Aaron From jim at cosource.com Mon Mar 27 09:16:16 2000 From: jim at cosource.com (Jim Hebert) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 02:16:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up read-only list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm, perhaps the answer is to do a hybrid of a "roll your own" and a mailman thing? By that I mean, let mailman manage your subscriber list, blah blah blah, but write a few lines of python code which will simply lookup the subscriber list for a given mailman list and do a massmail to them. I'm not a mailman source hacker, so I have no idea, but one would assume that the high level tools are already built in the source of such an OO-designed thing, such that you'd be able to do something like = = , , , )> Then you stick that in cron. You can still post via the "real" list mechanism and approve it, which is all good for things like administrivia or announcing the birth of your son. Now, if you were planning on maintaining a mailing list archive (like pipermail or something) this script would need to also file a copy in the mbox file for the list, using whatever calls the normal mailman delivery code does. jim showing that he's a functional programmer trying to make amends =) PS Such a contraption would be a great thing for someone to write and include in Mailman as a "contrib" item of some sort... On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Michael E. Fryd wrote: > >I think I might just use a Perl script, a text file of emails and a cron job > >for this rather than Mailman.... If you're just going to send an email out > >once a day seems like Mailman's a bit on the "big" side....The Perl script > >could even generate an archive of old emails fairly easily. > > > >Mark Herzog > > I have about 10 thousand visitors to my web site each day, and have > already gotten hundreds of unsolicited requests asking me to set up a > list. > > I expect the list to have 5 to 10 thousand members. With that many > subscribers I need automation. > > My goal is to use Mailman to handle: > - subscribe/un-subscribe requests via the web > - detection and removal of bad addresses (bounced mail) > - maintaining the subscriber list and keeping it secret > - protecting the subscriber list so that only the official > daily messages get sent. > > My thought was to try to use these features from an existing package > like Mailman, disabling the features I don't need, rather than > building a system from scratch. > > As for archiving, it's a feature I don't need. I have an existing > web site with all the material already available. > > > -Michael > > From Galen.Harris at Ceridian.com Mon Mar 27 18:22:01 2000 From: Galen.Harris at Ceridian.com (Harris, Galen) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:22:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] puzzled Message-ID: <03CDD2744F8DD3118EC60080D870100EE2767E@CP2BOEXCH> I think I have it all set up right. The system mails out for the administrative stuff but when I actually get to the point of doing a test post it seems to drop off in the 'ether'. Only error message I get are: Mar 24 15:29:49 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/web/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in ? post: text = sys.stdin.read() post: KeyboardInterrupt Mar 24 15:53:51 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/web/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? post: mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1248, in Post post: addrs = Utils.FindMatchingAddresses( post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 545, in FindMatchingAddresses post: p_matches = GetPossibleMatchingAddrs(name) post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509, in GetPossibleMatchingAddrs post: name = string.lower(name) post: TypeError : read-only character buffer, None Mar 24 15:56:29 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/web/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? post: mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1248, in Post post: addrs = Utils.FindMatchingAddresses( post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 545, in FindMatchingAddresses post: p_matches = GetPossibleMatchingAddrs(name) post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509, in GetPossibleMatchingAddrs post: name = string.lower(name) post: TypeError : read-only character buffer, None Mar 24 15:58:44 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/web/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? post: mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1248, in Post post: addrs = Utils.FindMatchingAddresses( post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 545, in FindMatchingAddresses post: p_matches = GetPossibleMatchingAddrs(name) post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509, in GetPossibleMatchingAddrs post: name = string.lower(name) post: TypeError : read-only character buffer, None Mar 24 16:39:50 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/web/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 45, in ? post: if not mlist.bounce_processing or not mlist.ScanMessage(msg): post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 314, in ScanMessage post: who_info = string.lower(msg.GetSender()) post: TypeError : read-only character buffer, None Mar 24 16:39:58 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/web/mailman/scripts/mailowner", line 45, in ? post: if not mlist.bounce_processing or not mlist.ScanMessage(msg): post: File "/web/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 314, in ScanMessage post: who_info = string.lower(msg.GetSender()) post: TypeError : read-only character buffer, None I have all the aliases set up. I can only think it has something to do with the wrapper permissions. The documentation wasn't clear to me what they should be set as. Any clue? Galen Harris Electronic Commerce Group Ceridian Performance Partners galen.harris at ceridian.com Tel: (617) 582-0342 Fax: (617) 566-2806 From waynes at iexalt.net Tue Mar 28 01:47:55 2000 From: waynes at iexalt.net (Wayne Sitton) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:47:55 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] server name change Message-ID: I had to change the name of my server from k9.iexalt.net to listserv.iexalt.net The lists however are still showing k9.iexalt.net, first where all are the k9.iexalt.net listed at. When I went to the list admin and made the changes there I get this error: Bug in Mailman version 1.1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 167, in main ChangeOptions(lst, category, cgi_data, doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 885, in ChangeOptions lst.Save() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 799, in Save self.CheckHTMLArchiveDir() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 277, in CheckHTMLArchiveDir makelink(privdir, pubdir) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 56, in makelink reraise() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 52, in makelink os.symlink(old, new) OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/httpd/html SERVER_ADDR 207.235.114.51 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate CONTENT_LENGTH 543 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded PATH_TRANSLATED /home/httpd/html/dpec REMOTE_ADDR 216.88.80.203 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, */* REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/dpec PATH /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin QUERY_STRING SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin PATH_INFO /dpec HTTP_HOST listserv.iexalt.net REQUEST_METHOD POST SERVER_SIGNATURE SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_ADMIN root at localhost SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PYTHONPATH /home/mailman HTTP_COOKIE staff:admin="(lp1\012S'216.88.80.203'\012p2\012aI954195945\012aI954206745\01 2aI1228942282\012a."; dpec:admin="(lp1\012S'216.88.80.203'\012p2\012aI954196574\012aI954207374\012 aI564528512\012a." SERVER_NAME localhost.localdomain REMOTE_PORT 4495 HTTP_REFERER http://listserv.iexalt.net/mailman/admin/dpec How do I fix this???? Wayne Sitton System Administrator iExalt, inc. From Denver_Parker at chromeglobal.com Tue Mar 28 09:07:34 2000 From: Denver_Parker at chromeglobal.com (Denver Parker) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:07:34 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... Message-ID: <004301bf9884$4b820360$1301a8c0@chromeglobal.com> Ive been tinkering with mailman all day trying to get it to run, and im getting a silly error with what im guessing is permissions, the faq point to the same sort of problem, and ive tried to mod the config/reinstall it as advised by its still being a pain.. heres a splurge of the errors its giving me.. any tips would be apreciated... ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd allstaff" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd allstaff"... unknown mailer error 2 and from the system log... Mar 28 15:34:40 iron sendmail[25521]: PAA25521: from=, size=524, class=0, pri=30524, nrcpts=1, msgid=<004001bf9883$05cb71e0$1301a8c0 at chromeglobal.com>, proto=SMTP, relay=[203.6.242.8] Mar 28 15:34:40 iron sendmail[25522]: PAA25522: clone PAA25521,owner=allstaff-admin Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAA25522: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post allstaff", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAA25522: PAB25522: DSN: unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAB25522: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner allstaff", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAB25522: PAC25522: return to sender: unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAC25522: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent Regards Denver From a.koch at sgh-net.de Tue Mar 28 09:44:15 2000 From: a.koch at sgh-net.de (Alexander Koch) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:44:15 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] plaintext interface to list members Message-ID: <20000328074415.A1457@trinity.hannover.sgh-net.de> Hallo. I am working with a big project (in the OpenSource business) which runs some 150+ mailling lists with Smartmail. Now the main reason Mailman may not be an option is that the memmbership information is not in plaintext format. Now, I have not looked at mailman much, but what format is the files? I am thinking about parsing the db files myself and write some frontend of my own. With that many working lists and the current amount of mails a day there is not much room for changing too much. [ I know of list_members and remove_members, but the file format is not quite obvious... ] Thanks, Alexander -- SGH mbH Internet Division, Systems Administration, ako4-ripe Hannover, Germany, Phone +49 511 909198 0, Fax +49 511 391307 From Hans.Lohmander at ei.sigma.se Tue Mar 28 09:49:34 2000 From: Hans.Lohmander at ei.sigma.se (Hans Lohmander) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:49:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... Message-ID: <960FCE94AC10D1119EFF00A02416D7EA511F43@exchange.exallon.se> Have the same problem with postfix as mta. Nobody on this list seems to have an answer. The topic has come up a number of times before, see the archive. Permissions is a good guess, but which and where. /Hans -----Original Message----- From: Denver Parker To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: 2000-03-28 09:07 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... Ive been tinkering with mailman all day trying to get it to run, and im getting a silly error with what im guessing is permissions, the faq point to the same sort of problem, and ive tried to mod the config/reinstall it as advised by its still being a pain.. heres a splurge of the errors its giving me.. any tips would be apreciated... ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd allstaff" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd allstaff"... unknown mailer error 2 and from the system log... Mar 28 15:34:40 iron sendmail[25521]: PAA25521: from=, size=524, class=0, pri=30524, nrcpts=1, msgid=<004001bf9883$05cb71e0$1301a8c0 at chromeglobal.com>, proto=SMTP, relay=[203.6.242.8] Mar 28 15:34:40 iron sendmail[25522]: PAA25522: clone PAA25521,owner=allstaff-admin Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAA25522: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post allstaff", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAA25522: PAB25522: DSN: unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAB25522: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner allstaff", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAB25522: PAC25522: return to sender: unknown mailer error 2 Mar 28 15:34:41 iron sendmail[25522]: PAC25522: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent Regards Denver ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From llazarte at maloca.oca.org.br Tue Mar 28 10:01:28 2000 From: llazarte at maloca.oca.org.br (Leonardo Lazarte) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 05:01:28 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Portuguese Interface In-Reply-To: <20000328074415.A1457@trinity.hannover.sgh-net.de> Message-ID: Hi, I begun using Mailman because is seems simpler to use and configure than majordomo, and seems to have a better interface for subscribers and list administrators. But... I am having a hard time translating messages for users (to Portuguese). I translate files, but what I would think are the corresponding pages, appear with a mixture of English and Portuguese. Could somebody point to me which would be the more `natural` way to do this? (For example: translate first files X, Y and Z, and then compile; or ....). Do any of you know of somebody which has made this translation to Portuguese? (A colegue of mine has done some patchy work, and we could join efforts with other people). Thanx in advance for any help, Leonardo From jwt at dskk.co.jp Tue Mar 28 10:23:10 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:23:10 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] plaintext interface to list members In-Reply-To: <20000328074415.A1457@trinity.hannover.sgh-net.de>; from a.koch@sgh-net.de on Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 07:44:15AM +0000 References: <20000328074415.A1457@trinity.hannover.sgh-net.de> Message-ID: <20000328172310.A23287@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 07:44:15AM +0000, Alexander Koch wrote: > Now, I have not looked at mailman much, but what format is > the files? I am thinking about parsing the db files myself The config.db of each mailing list is a marshalled Python dictionary, which contains members and digest_members dictionaries. The keys of those two dictionaries are the lower case mail addresses of subscribers. MailList provides functions GetMembers() and GetDigestMembers() for getting the subscriber lists (or GetDeliveryMembers(), GetDigestDeliveryMembers() to preserve case in the usernames). > [ I know of list_members and remove_members, but the file > format is not quite obvious... ] list_members output file format is a simple list of subscribers' Email addresses. You might also want to investigate bin/withlist which provides a framework for examining and modifying a list database, with optional locking of the database to permit safe modifications. You can use withlist to apply a function to a list using the -r switch. $python -i bin/withlist my-list >>> print m.GetMembers() -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Tue Mar 28 11:00:53 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:00:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... In-Reply-To: <960FCE94AC10D1119EFF00A02416D7EA511F43@exchange.exallon.se>; from Hans.Lohmander@ei.sigma.se on Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 09:49:34AM +0200 References: <960FCE94AC10D1119EFF00A02416D7EA511F43@exchange.exallon.se> Message-ID: <20000328110053.H2694@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 09:49:34AM +0200, Hans Lohmander wrote: > Have the same problem with postfix as mta. I don't. Lucky me. > Nobody on this list seems to have an answer. > The topic has come up a number of times before, > see the archive. > Permissions is a good guess, but which and where. > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd allstaff" > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd allstaff"... unknown mailer > error 2 Since I'm no sendmail pro I must guess: * either sendmail doesn't like mail to programs at all or * /home/mailman/mail/wrapper returns an exit code of 2 which is misinterpreted by sendmail Have you tried the program to check permissions of the mailman installation? Can sendmail deliver to programs at all? Are you using smrsh (I think you don't) -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb Postfix: Something like a wisened old man sitting on the porch outside the postoffice. Looks at everyone who passes by with deep suspicion, but turns out to be friendly and helpful once he realises you're not there to rob the place. From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Tue Mar 28 11:15:58 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:15:58 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... In-Reply-To: <004d01bf9894$3f818da0$1301a8c0@chromeglobal.com>; from Denver_Parker@chromeglobal.com on Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 05:01:46PM +0800 References: <20000328110053.H2694@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <004d01bf9894$3f818da0$1301a8c0@chromeglobal.com> Message-ID: <20000328111558.J2694@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 05:01:46PM +0800, Denver Parker wrote: > sendmail is working fine with majordomo, So it's a mailman permission problem > and working like a charm as a mail > server and relay point for 70 people, i read the smrsh error in the install > doc and went hunting for it, but it doesn't exist in any form... ? If your sendmail uses smrsh for local delivery FEATURE('smrsh') Then you need to link or copy the binaries that are allowed to be executed by sendmail into a particular directory. Dunno where. Nevertheless : The wrapper IS EXECUTED, thus it's not SMRSH problem. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb A mathematician is an engine for converting coffee into theorems. From Hans.Lohmander at ei.sigma.se Tue Mar 28 12:30:46 2000 From: Hans.Lohmander at ei.sigma.se (Hans Lohmander) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:30:46 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... Message-ID: <960FCE94AC10D1119EFF00A02416D7EA511F45@exchange.exallon.se> Postfix is working fine with Listar but not with mailman. smrsh may be in /etc/smrsh where you do a small wrapper script that call the executable. #!/bin/sh /path/to/exe $@ or something similar. Same name for the script as ecexutable. Make sure script is executable. Change your path in aliases to /etc/smrsh/... /Hans -----Original Message----- From: Ralf Hildebrandt To: mailman-users at python.org Sent: 2000-03-28 11:15 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 05:01:46PM +0800, Denver Parker wrote: > sendmail is working fine with majordomo, So it's a mailman permission problem > and working like a charm as a mail > server and relay point for 70 people, i read the smrsh error in the install > doc and went hunting for it, but it doesn't exist in any form... ? If your sendmail uses smrsh for local delivery FEATURE('smrsh') Then you need to link or copy the binaries that are allowed to be executed by sendmail into a particular directory. Dunno where. Nevertheless : The wrapper IS EXECUTED, thus it's not SMRSH problem. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb A mathematician is an engine for converting coffee into theorems. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From bronto at crs4.it Tue Mar 28 12:47:12 2000 From: bronto at crs4.it (Marco Marongiu) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:47:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] gate_news and ToUsenet bug? Message-ID: <38E08DB0.5144D0DD@crs4.it> Hi I'm not a list subscriber, so if these problems have been already addressed I apologize. Of course, I apologize also for my english :-) I downloaded and installed mailman 2.0b on a Sun UltraSPARC 1, running Solaris 7. I installed python 1.5.2 using a pre-compiled package from Solaris-Freeware (ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/solaris-freeware/sparc/7/python-1.5.2-sol7-sparc-local.gz). I set up the test list, with a bidirectional gateway with our news server. Neither mail->news nor news->mail worked. About the mail->news problem, I found these errors in the ~mailman/logs/error file: Mar 24 17:55:24 2000 post(18572): starting post(18574): Traceback (innermost last): post(18574): File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 86, in ? post(18574): main() post(18574): File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main post(18574): mlist.Post(msg) post(18574): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1293, in Post post(18574): Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg) post(18574): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 55, in DeliverToList post(18574): func(mlist, msg) post(18574): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 52, in process post(18574): do_child(mlist, msg) post(18574): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py", line 130, in do_child post(18574): conn = nntplib.NNTP(mlist.nntp_host, readermode=1) post(18574): TypeError : unexpected keyword argument: readermode Mar 24 17:55:27 2000 post(18572): ending What I did: $ diff ToUsenet.py ToUsenet.py.bak 130c130 < conn = nntplib.NNTP(mlist.nntp_host) --- > conn = nntplib.NNTP(mlist.nntp_host, readermode=1) ...and it worked. If I'm doing something absurd, please keep in mind I'm not a Python-er, so did what I could :-) About the news->mail problem, no error was shown. Reading the docs of gate_news, I realized that the program didn't create the watermark file. I tried to force the creation modifying the script and launching gate_news test 0 7 but nothing happened. I corrected the error using an older version of gate_news (1.1). It didn't gate the news again, but it created the watermark file. After that, gate_news worked. I hope it helps. Ciao Marco PS: If you need more info, feel free to contact me at my e-mail address. Don't post questions on the list since I'm not a subscriber. Thank you. -- ____ ____ ____ _ _ / ___)| __ \/ ___)/ /| | Marco Marongiu | (___ | /\___ \\__ | Computers & Network Group \____)|_|\_\(____/ |_| Phone: +39 070 2796 336 From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Tue Mar 28 12:47:10 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:47:10 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie question... In-Reply-To: <960FCE94AC10D1119EFF00A02416D7EA511F45@exchange.exallon.se>; from Hans.Lohmander@ei.sigma.se on Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 12:30:46PM +0200 References: <960FCE94AC10D1119EFF00A02416D7EA511F45@exchange.exallon.se> Message-ID: <20000328124710.T2694@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 12:30:46PM +0200, Hans Lohmander wrote: > Postfix is working fine with Listar but not with mailman. I can only repeat that it works like a charm here. > smrsh may be in /etc/smrsh where you do a small > wrapper script that call the executable. > #!/bin/sh > /path/to/exe $@ > or something similar. Same name for the script as ecexutable. > Make sure script is executable. > Change your path in aliases to /etc/smrsh/... Huh? A link suffices. -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb "I'm not under the alcofluence of inkahol that some thinkle peep I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get." From jcrey at uma.es Tue Mar 28 12:57:07 2000 From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:57:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Portuguese Interface References: Message-ID: <38E09003.3100DBAA@uma.es> Leonardo Lazarte wrote: > > Hi, > > I begun using Mailman because is seems simpler to use and > configure than majordomo, and seems to have a better interface > for subscribers and list administrators. > > But... I am having a hard time translating messages for > users (to Portuguese). I translate files, but what I would > think are the corresponding pages, appear with a mixture > of English and Portuguese. > > Do any of you know of somebody which has made this translation > to Portuguese? (A colegue of mine has done some patchy work, > and we could join efforts with other people). Soon, very soon, Barry will release a new version of Mailman in which, support for internationalization (i18n) will be included. The following should be done in order to achieve translation into a desired language: 1) Translate templates 2) Translate a plain text file with all messages that mailman has inside source code. 3) Sign the appropriate forms to assign copyright of the translations to the Free Software Foundation. Tell your friend not to lose his time doing something that's already been done, tell him to subscribe to mailman-i18n list to cooperate later about i18n issues. the ones who desire to synchronize themselves to translate catalog of messages are also members of this list. The portuguese translation was assigned to "Fabio Dorival Victorelli" . You should contact him to ask for the actual status of translation. Other translations in progress are: Brian Takashi Hooper --> Japanese Liborio Revilla Alonso -> Euskera Mads Kiilerich --> Danish Michael Sobolev --> Russian Pioppo --> Italian Mats Haglund --> Suedish Peter Muessig-Trapp , --> German Dan Ohnesorg --> Czec tatooine.sistelnet.es (Eduardo Fernandez Corrales) and myself --> Spain Those wanting to work on support for other languages should notify the mailman-i18n list. Cheers -- ___ / F \ [[[]]]] ( O O ) #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------# | Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es) | | Servicio Central de inform?tica | | Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a | #----------------------------------------------# # Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| # #----------------------------------------------# From darxus at Op.Net Tue Mar 28 18:10:06 2000 From: darxus at Op.Net (Darxus) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:10:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] posts from unsubscribed addresses Message-ID: When people send email to our list from an unsubscribed address, they get a responce like this: > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-admin at lists.nothinbut.net > [mailto:plug-admin at lists.nothinbut.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 10:25 AM > To: barwell at iqgroup.com > Subject: Mail sent to PLUG > > > Your mail to 'PLUG' with the subject: > > this message should not get to the plug list > > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. > > The reason it is being held: > > Only approved posters may post without moderator approval. > > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive > notification of the moderator's decision. And the message goes in a queue to be processed manually by a moderator. It's agravating. Instead, I'd like the message to say "Your message did NOT get posted to the mailing list. Go to http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug to subscribe, then resend it." And not have it put into any queue. Also, from time to time it holds messages because of something having to do with "implicit destination". This seems to happen whenever the mailing list is not the only address in the To: field, or is not in the To: filed (Cc or Bcc). I've read through the general options, http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-0.2.html, and skimmed http://www.list.org/faq.html, and didn't see any way to do either of these. What would it take to do them ? From wahern at jinsa.org Tue Mar 28 20:59:56 2000 From: wahern at jinsa.org (William Ahern) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:59:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Openwall; Hard Links Message-ID: <00032814021601.00860@william.jinsa.org> I use the Openwall patch that limits hardlinks. I do not want to remove this since it helps protect against possible exploits (like those always found in Lynx, et al). Does anybody have any diffs that works around this problem, or suggestions on file ownership? I couldn't find anything in the archives, though I found a few messages that mentioned this? I've read the LINUX.README ;) Thanx, Bill -- William Ahern MIS, JINSA --------------------- JINSA Online http://www.jinsa.org/ --------------------- From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Mar 28 21:19:47 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:19:47 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Race condition in mailman's locking? Message-ID: <20000328111947.C29286@marc.merlins.org> After I enabled bidirectional news gatewaying for 9 lists, I get the following errors from time to time It looks like two locks are granted at the same time and the second unlock fails because the lockfile was already removed by the first process. Does that make any sense? ----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon ----- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:55:02 -0800 From: root at marc.merlins.org (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at marc.merlins.org Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /var/local/mailman/cron/gate_news X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ? main() File "/var/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 101, in main lock.unlock() File "/var/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 263, in unlock raise NotLockedError Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError ----- End forwarded message ----- Marc -- Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers) Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information From tshrider at kascope.com Wed Mar 29 16:49:55 2000 From: tshrider at kascope.com (Todd Shrider) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:49:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with confirming subscriptions Message-ID: This is the error that i get when a user tries to subscribe to the list i have created: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/usr/people/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd 3dstudiomax" (expanded from: <3dstudiomax-request at einsteinium.cin.kascope.com>) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/usr/people/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd 3dstudiomax"... unknown mailer error 2 Any ideas? -todd From pjh at mccc.edu Wed Mar 29 22:33:24 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:33:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic remove?? Message-ID: Sometimes I get email from a mass mailer and it says that I can remove myself from the list by sending an email to remove at whatever.com. Is there a way for a list subscriber to do that with Mailman? Thanks, Pete From ivanlan at callware.com Wed Mar 29 22:39:38 2000 From: ivanlan at callware.com (Ivan Van Laningham) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:39:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic remove?? References: Message-ID: <38E26A0A.714584EF@callware.com> Hi All-- Pete Holsberg wrote: > > Sometimes I get email from a mass mailer and it says that I > can remove myself from the list by sending an email to > remove at whatever.com. > > Is there a way for a list subscriber to do that with > Mailman? > I don't know whether there is or not, but it's widely known that spammers take the remove requests and put the senders on their *MUST SPAM* list. I don't think you want to do that. -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Callware Technologies, Inc. http://www.pauahtun.org http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours From alamar at partners-intl.net Wed Mar 29 23:04:08 2000 From: alamar at partners-intl.net (Aaron La Mar) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:04:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problems: numbers are not incremental Message-ID: OK, I'll try this request for help again, but provide more info this time... The environment: Mailman 1.1, FreeBSD 3.1, Python 1.5.1, Apache 1.3.6, PHP 3.0.10 As you can see from the digest that follows, the message numbers on several of my digests are not incrementing as they should. Every message is showing up as message number 1 (rather than 1, 2, 3, etc..). I thought this was happening to all of my digested lists, but now I see that it is only happening to a few, but consistently. Any help would be appreciated. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: women-east-west-admin at neww.org Reply-To: women-east-west at neww.org To: women-east-west at neww.org Subject: women-east-west digest, Vol 1 #10 - 5 msgs Send women-east-west mailing list submissions to women-east-west at neww.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the web, visit http://www.neww.org/mailman/listinfo/women-east-west or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to women-east-west-request at neww.org You can reach the person managing the list at women-east-west-admin at neww.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of women-east-west digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 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Women in Black stand today in solidarity with Women in Mourning and Outrage to bear witness to police brutality in the New York City area (Indira Kajosevic) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Nanette Funk" To: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:53:56 -0500 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF97E3.21A82020" Subject: [NEWW/WEW] (no subject) Reply-To: women-east-west at neww.org ...content removed to save space... --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:18:44 -0800 From: Elizabete Picukane To: women-east-west at neww.org Subject: [NEWW/WEW] 2nd Baltic-Nordic-NorthWestRussian Summer School in Feminist/Gender Studies Reply-To: women-east-west at neww.org ...content removed to save space... --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Kimberly Middleton To: women-east-west at neww.org Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:56:35 -0500 charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [NEWW/WEW] Please post-Position Available Reply-To: women-east-west at neww.org ...content removed to save space... --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:21:39 -0500 From: "Erin M. Barclay" Organization: Network of East-West Women To: women-east-west at neww.org CC: nanfunk at earthlink.net boundary="------------6CA7BB263C5A5D41544F1DC0" Subject: [NEWW/WEW] Gender and Transition Workshop Reply-To: women-east-west at neww.org ...content removed to save space... --__--__-- Message: 1 Reply-To: From: "Indira Kajosevic" To: "'Aca Ljubicic'" , "'Adnan Rudanovic'" Cc: Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:57:57 -0600 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BF997E.6AC6B680" Subject: [NEWW/WEW] Women in Black stand today in solidarity with Women in Mourning and Outrage to bear witness to police brutality in the New York City area Reply-To: women-east-west at neww.org ...content removed to save space... --__--__-- _______________________________________________ women-east-west mailing list women-east-west at neww.org http://www.neww.org/mailman/listinfo/women-east-west End of women-east-west Digest From stever at seawingsub.com Thu Mar 30 00:04:08 2000 From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:04:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic remove?? References: Message-ID: <38E27DD8.B7C19B9E@seawingsub.com> It isn't exactly the same but you can remove yourself from a list via email if that is what you are after just sent mail to listname-request at listdomain.com with subject or body reading unsubscribe for more info on the user-email commands send mail to your list like listname-request at listdomain.com with "help" as the body or subject. Pete Holsberg wrote: > > Sometimes I get email from a mass mailer and it says that I > can remove myself from the list by sending an email to > remove at whatever.com. > > Is there a way for a list subscriber to do that with > Mailman? > > Thanks, > Pete > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From pjh at mccc.edu Thu Mar 30 00:04:03 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:04:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic remove?? In-Reply-To: <38E27DD8.B7C19B9E@seawingsub.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Steve Ruby wrote: > It isn't exactly the same but you can remove yourself from a list via > email if that is what you are after > > just sent mail to > > listname-request at listdomain.com > > with subject or body reading > unsubscribe I would like the subscriber to be able to email remove at whatever.dom and have mailman interpret that as an unsubscribe request. These are mostly naive subscibers. Thanks, Pete From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Mar 30 01:11:32 2000 From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:11:32 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] automatic remove?? References: Message-ID: <38E28DA4.816D4E54@west.sun.com> Pete Holsberg wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Steve Ruby wrote: > > > It isn't exactly the same but you can remove yourself from a list via > > email if that is what you are after > > > > just sent mail to > > > > listname-request at listdomain.com > > > > with subject or body reading > > unsubscribe > > I would like the subscriber to be able to email > remove at whatever.dom and have mailman interpret that as an > unsubscribe request. These are mostly naive subscibers. If whatever.dom has exactly one mailing list that it serves, this scheme would work; otherwise, you're doomed to failure; your subscribers are just going to have to learn to read directions. If you really only have one mailing list at that domain, then alias 'remove' to a script, perhaps Procmail or Deliver, that turns around and sends mail of the right form to -request at whatever.dom with "unsubscribe address=". You can look up the password from the Python database with a small modification to bin/withlist; if you need me to dig out my hack to do that, I can. From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu Mar 30 01:46:48 2000 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:46:48 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No more SMTPdirect on 2.0b1? Message-ID: <20000329174648.P4358@mrbill.net> Anybody else had the problem where SMTPdirect stops working after upgrading to 2.0beta1? I had to switch it to use sendmail to get my lists working again, and also now, list bounces are sent back to the original sender of the post (instead of me, which is how it used to work).... This is on Solaris 7, fully updated/patched, Sendmail 8.9.3, Python 1.5.2. 1.1c worked *beautifully* without a problem... Bill -- +---------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | mrbill at mrbill.net | +-------BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-------+-----------------------------------------+ | Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:++ a- C++++ US++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ N++ o K+++ w--- | | O- M-- V- PS PE+ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X- R-- tv+++ b++++ DI++++ D++ G++ e++ h r++ y+ | +--------END GEEK CODE BLOCK--------------------------------------------------+ From rwillmor at eazel.com Thu Mar 30 05:29:23 2000 From: rwillmor at eazel.com (Rick Willmore) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:29:23 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Operating System Failure" Message-ID: <38E2CA13.3E499388@eazel.com> Anyone seen this error in the mailq?? Im not receiving my mail after registering. group id problems maybe?? Ive tried to look for any group problems but cant seem to find if this is in fact where my error is occuring. Thanks, Rick From francis at lared.net.pe Thu Mar 30 03:42:09 2000 From: francis at lared.net.pe (Crisogono Francisco Rubio N.) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:42:09 -0500 (PET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Y2K??? Message-ID: Sometime ago I used the formula of deleting the html message archive, edit the list mbox and running arch to get rid of some messages and it worked fine. But last night and today I tried to do the same for two lists and I couldn't, instead I got the following messages: Traceback (innermost last): File "../../bin/arch", line 114, in ? main() File "../../bin/arch", line 103, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 385, in processUnixMailbox a=articleClass(m, self.sequence) # Create an article object File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 242, in __init__ date=time.mktime(date)-tzoffset ValueError: year out of range (00-99, 1900-*) Any ideas? Dr. Cris?gono Francisco Rubio N. Consultor en Inform?tica M?dica E-mail: francis at LaRed.net.pe http://mismi.LaRed.net.pe/~francis From atropos at fates.org Thu Mar 30 06:52:03 2000 From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:52:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron error: /home/mailman/cron/gate_news In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <265063.3163362723@mrspeel.fates.org> I just noticed the 5,131 copies of the following mail, sitting in mailman's mailbox (for some reason they didn't come to me). I have no idea what this means. I'm using Mailman 1.1: Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info -- David B. O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org - http://www.fates.org/ From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Mar 30 06:55:43 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:55:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron error: /home/mailman/cron/gate_news Message-ID: <200003300455.UAA25957@utopia.West.Sun.COM> It's from the "gate_news" cron job. If you're not gatewaying to a newsgroup, the right answer is probably "remove that cron job from mailman's crontab". > I just noticed the 5,131 copies of the following mail, sitting in mailman's > mailbox (for some reason they didn't come to me). > > I have no idea what this means. Well, you *could* look around a bit; did you at least try looking for "gate_news" in all the Mailman sources? That would have given you a huge clue. > I'm using Mailman 1.1: > > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load > raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' > MMBadListError: Failed to access config info > > -- > David B. O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org - http://www.fates.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From patrick.putteman at net7.be Thu Mar 30 10:34:13 2000 From: patrick.putteman at net7.be (Patrick Putteman) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:34:13 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman subscribers passwords: urgent help Message-ID: <001e01bf9a22$bb011880$519c79c1@net7> Hi all, I'm new to this list, and although I've searched the archives, I haven't found the answer. I'm sorry if this has been asked before. I run Mailman 1.1 and offer a mailing list service to our clients. Ase some of them have migrated from expensive NT based mailing lists, they exported their subscriber lists, and mass-subscribed them using the web interface. To make the system as secure as possible and to avoid script-kiddies to fiddle with the web interface, we opted to have an alternative interface to subscribe from the web: an html form where people just enter their e-mail address. The form sends a mail to the request addres of the concerning mailing list with the subscribe command and a default passwd in the subject line and a the from address set to the new subscriber so that the confirmation mail gets sent to the right place. The same happens for unsubscribtions. For new users this works like a charm, the problem is with users that have been mass-subscribed. We don't want them to access the mailman web-interface nor do we want them to recieve monthly passwd reminders. We want it as simple as possible for our users to avoid any problems/questions. So, I'd like to know if it is possible to set the password of ALL subscribers to the same password. The subscribers don't know this password as the web interface is not accessible to them (the config of our apache server prevents this) and the only way for them to subscribe/unsubscribe is to use the mailforms we set up to this purpose. Else, is their a way to disable the password protection for subscribers altogether ? Thx, Patrick Putteman From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de Thu Mar 30 11:30:55 2000 From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:30:55 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problems: numbers are not incremental In-Reply-To: ; from alamar@partners-intl.net on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:04:08PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000330113055.D18903@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:04:08PM -0500, Aaron La Mar wrote: > OK, I'll try this request for help again, but provide more info this > time... > > The environment: Mailman 1.1, FreeBSD 3.1, Python 1.5.1, Apache 1.3.6, PHP > 3.0.10 Doesn't Mailman 1.1 need Python 1.5.2 ? -- Ralf Hildebrandt www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb A bus station is where buses stop. A train station is where trains stop. On my desk, there is a workstation... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you added the mailman user to the trusted users list in sendmail ? -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo at caesar.elte.hu gorgo at linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/ From jeff at mail.zefex.com Thu Mar 30 14:07:57 2000 From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:07:57 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives Message-ID: When users go to the archives for a public archive they get an error that it cant find that page.... Turns out that there is no "public" file in the /home/mailman/cgi-bin (I assume that there should be one.) How do I resolve this?? BTW if I make the archives private it works (there is a /home/mailman/cgi-bin/private)..... Thanks for your help.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! 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Is this possible in Mailman? /jens From ptomblin at xcski.com Thu Mar 30 19:26:09 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:26:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problems: numbers are not incremental In-Reply-To: <20000330113055.D18903@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> References: <20000330113055.D18903@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: <20000330122609.A3031@xcski.com> Quoting Ralf Hildebrandt (R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de): > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:04:08PM -0500, Aaron La Mar wrote: > > OK, I'll try this request for help again, but provide more info this > > time... > > > > The environment: Mailman 1.1, FreeBSD 3.1, Python 1.5.1, Apache 1.3.6, PHP > > 3.0.10 > > Doesn't Mailman 1.1 need Python 1.5.2 ? When I installed it on RedHat Linux, it *said* it needed Python 1.5.1 but I got an error that went away when I upgraded to 1.5.2. So I'd say yes, you should have 1.5.2. -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. It makes sense, when you don't think about it. From alamar at partners-intl.net Thu Mar 30 19:45:14 2000 From: alamar at partners-intl.net (Aaron La Mar) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:45:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest problems: numbers are not incremental In-Reply-To: <20000330122609.A3031@xcski.com> Message-ID: > When I installed it on RedHat Linux, it *said* it needed Python 1.5.1 but I > got an error that went away when I upgraded to 1.5.2. So I'd say yes, you > should have 1.5.2. Sorry, a mistake, I am using 1.5.2 - so any ideas about the problem? - Aaron From ttsoares at cedep.ifch.ufrgs.br Thu Mar 30 19:48:52 2000 From: ttsoares at cedep.ifch.ufrgs.br (Thomas Tschoepke Soares) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:48:52 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instalation PATH issue... Message-ID: Greetings mailmans... I am a new user and has one little problem at the instalation process of Mailman. The box is a Red Har 6.1 with python-1.5.2-7. After all the user/group/make steps this came: $ bin/check_perms -f Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 19, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths I cant realyse if this is a Python module lack or what... Could anyone drop me a line about this and as I am not in the Mailman list yet, could you use my address to answer? Thank you and thank all the developers for this good tool! Regards Thomas. | Thomas Tschoepke Soares | // Mate do | ttsoares at cedep.ifch.ufrgs.br |(~~~//~~) estrivo bendito! |--UIN:961141-------------------------------| \ / Amargo que |The fact is a secondary aspect of reality. | `_/' a gente bebe... From pjh at mccc.edu Thu Mar 30 20:39:12 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:39:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscriptions Message-ID: Is there a way -- other than cut & paste -- to subscribe everyone whose email address is in a (large) file? Thanks, Pete From stever at seawingsub.com Thu Mar 30 20:53:03 2000 From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:53:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscriptions References: Message-ID: <38E3A28F.6BC3C2B9@seawingsub.com> Yeah, see ~/mailman/bin/add_members You will need to have digest and non digest members in separate files and so something like ~/mailman/bin/add_members -n Pete Holsberg wrote: > > Is there a way -- other than cut & paste -- to subscribe > everyone whose email address is in a (large) file? > > Thanks, > Pete > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From pjh at mccc.edu Thu Mar 30 22:25:39 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:25:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscriptions In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000330124059.00aef3c0@admin.aurora.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Christopher Kolar wrote: > At 12:39 PM 3/30/2000, you wrote: > >Is there a way -- other than cut & paste -- to subscribe > >everyone whose email address is in a (large) file? > >Thanks, > >Pete > > $path/bin/add_members > > If you run the program from the command line it will return usage instructions. YES!!! :-) Thanks, Pete From rac at bnl.gov Thu Mar 30 22:27:03 2000 From: rac at bnl.gov (Casella, Richard A) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:27:03 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription question Message-ID: <698DB793D712D31180B600902746422DB95859@exchange01.bnl.gov> Is there a way for a list owner to subscribe users via email? Can't seem to find it in the documentation. I cannot define the real problem, | Brookhaven National Laboratory therefore I suspect there's no | ITD Bldg 515, Upton, NY 11973 USA real problem, but I'm not sure | http://pubweb.bnl.gov/~rac there's no real problem. | mailto:rac at bnl.gov (516) 344-7975 -Feynman | 1975 FJ40 - TLCA # 8616 From rac at bnl.gov Thu Mar 30 22:51:31 2000 From: rac at bnl.gov (Casella, Richard A) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription question Message-ID: <698DB793D712D31180B600902746422DB9585B@exchange01.bnl.gov> Let me add just a bit of information. I have a list owner who does not have access to add_members who wants to be able to add members via email. This list owner is not a mailman admin. > -----Original Message----- > > Is there a way for a list owner to subscribe users via email? > Can't seem to find it in the documentation. From mms at bnl.gov Thu Mar 30 23:10:53 2000 From: mms at bnl.gov (Morris Strongson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:10:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automated addition of users to a "mailman" maintained mailing list Message-ID: <38E3C2DD.16282629@bnl.gov> I am the administrator of a mailing list that had been run under "listproc", and is now running under "mailman" It allowed addition of users from an "adduser" script that added users to the list via an email message, thus allowing automation of the process. Can this be done under "mailman"? Thanks for your help. -- ************************************************************************** Morris Strongson, RHIC, USAtlas Projects Telephone: (631)344-4192 Information Technology Division (fka CCD) Facsimile: (631)344-7688 Brookhaven National Laboratory Internet: mms at bnl.gov Building 515, Upton, NY 11973-5000 WWW: http://www.ccd.bnl.gov/ ************************************************************************** From gaston at esc.edu.ar Thu Mar 30 23:20:03 2000 From: gaston at esc.edu.ar (Gaston Franco) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:20:03 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Zmailer ? Message-ID: <38E3C6B1.A7198A92@esc.edu.ar> Hi. I have a Zmailer running on a RedHat6.1 Linux and I want to install mailman-2.0beta1 . Is there any special instructions/consideration about Zmailer for hooking it up to mailman? -- Gaston From michael at spconnect.com Fri Mar 31 01:21:31 2000 From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:21:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automated addition of users to a "mailman" maintained mailing list In-Reply-To: <38E3C2DD.16282629@bnl.gov> Message-ID: Mail man does have a ~/bin/add_members script. Problem with that is that you need to be logged in as mailman. (Problem with that is that SysAdmins like me tend to make such accounts with no password). Might be a interesting excersize to create a procmail script that calls that fuction. ---- The answer to the meaning of life: perl -e 'print$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10); ' On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Morris Strongson wrote: > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:10:53 -0500 > From: Morris Strongson > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automated addition of users to a "mailman" maintained mailing list > > I am the administrator of a mailing list that had been run under "listproc", > and is now running under "mailman" > > It allowed addition of users from an "adduser" script that added users to the list > via an email message, thus allowing automation of the process. Can this > be done under "mailman"? Thanks for your help. > > -- > > ************************************************************************** > Morris Strongson, RHIC, USAtlas Projects Telephone: (631)344-4192 > Information Technology Division (fka CCD) Facsimile: (631)344-7688 > Brookhaven National Laboratory Internet: mms at bnl.gov > Building 515, Upton, NY 11973-5000 WWW: http://www.ccd.bnl.gov/ > ************************************************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Mar 31 05:34:48 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:34:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription question Message-ID: <200003310334.TAA28916@utopia.West.Sun.COM> mail sent to "list-request at listhost.dom" (the request address for the list) with a Subject or Body containing "subscribe address=

" will subscribe that address with that password. Anyone can send that mail. If confirmation is turned on, the actual
will get the confirmation email, and need to reply to it before the subscription is processed. You can get this information by sending "help" to the request address. > Let me add just a bit of information. > > I have a list owner who does not have access to add_members > who wants to be able to add members via email. This list owner > is not a mailman admin. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Is there a way for a list owner to subscribe users via email? > > Can't seem to find it in the documentation. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dave at geol.ucsb.edu Fri Mar 31 06:25:08 2000 From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:25:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent non-members from posting? Message-ID: <200003310425.UAA16683@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> Hi, I just installed mailman 1.1 and am just in the testing phase of implementing. I've searched all the docs but still haven't found if it's possible to prevent non-members of a list from posting. Thanks for any pointers and sorry if this is an faq -- didn't see it there either. Dave Robbins From jwt at dskk.co.jp Fri Mar 31 06:30:12 2000 From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:30:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent non-members from posting? In-Reply-To: <200003310425.UAA16683@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu>; from dave@geol.ucsb.edu on Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 08:25:08PM -0800 References: <200003310425.UAA16683@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <20000331133012.A9956@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 08:25:08PM -0800, Dave Robbins wrote: > of implementing. I've searched all the docs but still haven't found > if it's possible to prevent non-members of a list from posting. Yes, see the "General posting filters" section of the "privacy" page of every list's administration pages. Read the "Details" help carefully for those two entries because "Restrict posting privilege to list members?" and "Addresses of members accepted for posting..." interact in a way that may not be immediately obvious. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From bruno at webarchitects.co.uk Fri Mar 31 14:27:09 2000 From: bruno at webarchitects.co.uk (Bruno Postle) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] posts from unsubscribed addresses In-Reply-To: ; from darxus@Op.Net on Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 11:10:06AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000331132709.D23395@postle.net> On Tue 28-Mar-2000 at 11:10:06AM -0500, Darxus wrote: > > When people send email to our list from an unsubscribed address, they get > And the message goes in a queue to be processed manually by a moderator. > It's agravating. Instead, I'd like the message to say "Your message did > NOT get posted to the mailing list. Go to > http://lists.nothinbut.net/mail/listinfo/plug to subscribe, then resend > it." And not have it put into any queue. I'd like that too. Last week a list admin for one of the lists on our server got so annoyed after he got 80 of these in one day, that he changed the 'admin's email address' from his own address to something like this: mailinglist-list-admin at foo.com This caused a nasty mail loop and 300 meg of '554 Too many hops' errors to root before we caught it. Does the new version of mailman check for idiots doing stuff like this? Bruno -- http://bruno.webarchitects.co.uk/ From nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu Fri Mar 31 21:33:43 2000 From: nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu (Nicholas Brenckle) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:33:43 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automated addition of users to a "mailman" maintained mailing list References: <20000331170004.AABC71CDA2@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: <38E4FD96.A1800B2D@yale.edu> > From: Michael Ghens > > Mail man does have a ~/bin/add_members script. Problem with that is that > you need to be logged in as mailman. (Problem with that is that SysAdmins > like me tend to make such accounts with no password). > > Might be a interesting excersize to create a procmail script that calls > that fuction. While not a procmail script, I did write a web page that called the add_members. Apache has the suEXEC wrapper to run scripts called from a users page as that user, so I created pages under http://servername/~mailman, and protected them as needed with .htaccess files. This it not what I wanted, procmail would be much better. It was however, a proof of concept. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Brenckle Yale University School of Medicine nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu 100 Church Street, Quad 1 - Suite 214 203-737-2377 New Haven, CT 06519 From jeff at mail.zefex.com Fri Mar 31 21:56:05 2000 From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:56:05 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000331145528.00ab0ed0@mail.zefex.com> >Does the cgi-bin/public file get created as part of the setup??? Because >mine is missing... (So the public archives don't work..) If they are >installation independent can someone please send me the file...??? From dan.mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Mar 31 21:59:30 2000 From: dan.mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:59:30 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automated addition of users to a "mailman"maintained mailing list References: <20000331170004.AABC71CDA2@dinsdale.python.org> <38E4FD96.A1800B2D@yale.edu> Message-ID: <38E503A2.46E69378@west.sun.com> Nicholas Brenckle wrote: > > > From: Michael Ghens > > > > Mail man does have a ~/bin/add_members script. Problem with that is that > > you need to be logged in as mailman. (Problem with that is that SysAdmins > > like me tend to make such accounts with no password). > > > > Might be a interesting excersize to create a procmail script that calls > > that fuction. > > While not a procmail script, I did write a web page that called the add_members. Apache has the suEXEC wrapper to run scripts called > from a users page as that user, so I created pages under http://servername/~mailman, and protected them as needed with .htaccess > files. This it not what I wanted, procmail would be much better. It was however, a proof of concept. Maybe I've lost track of what you wanted, but Mailman already includes a web page to add subscribers, and you can add more than one... From tshrider at kascope.com Fri Mar 31 22:00:36 2000 From: tshrider at kascope.com (Todd Shrider) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:00:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000331145528.00ab0ed0@mail.zefex.com> Message-ID: Are they really missing or do you not have the link in the httpd.conf file set properly? I couldn't get the public archives to work until I added the alias from /htdocs/pipermail/ -> /mailman/archives/public/ You also need to make sure in the alias directory definition has the FollowSymLinks attribute because mailmain uses a lot of symbolic links. --- Todd M. Shrider tshrider at kascope.com On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff Fiegel wrote: > > >Does the cgi-bin/public file get created as part of the setup??? Because > >mine is missing... (So the public archives don't work..) If they are > >installation independent can someone please send me the file...??? > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jeff at mail.zefex.com Fri Mar 31 22:14:15 2000 From: jeff at mail.zefex.com (Jeff Fiegel) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:14:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.0.20000331145528.00ab0ed0@mail.zefex.com> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000331151241.00abc6e0@mail.zefex.com> At 03:00 PM 3/31/00 -0500, you wrote: Well there is no file named "public" in the /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ but there is a "private" and the private archives work so???????? I assume there should be a public file as well... >Are they really missing or do you not have the link in the httpd.conf file >set properly? > >I couldn't get the public archives to work until I added the alias from > > /htdocs/pipermail/ -> /mailman/archives/public/ > >You also need to make sure in the alias directory definition has the >FollowSymLinks attribute because mailmain uses a lot of symbolic links. > >--- >Todd M. Shrider >tshrider at kascope.com > >On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff Fiegel wrote: > > > > > >Does the cgi-bin/public file get created as part of the setup??? Because > > >mine is missing... (So the public archives don't work..) If they are > > >installation independent can someone please send me the file...??? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dave at geol.ucsb.edu Fri Mar 31 23:38:47 2000 From: dave at geol.ucsb.edu (Dave Robbins) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:38:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] disable unsub from a list? Message-ID: <200003312138.NAA25883@geosci.geol.ucsb.edu> Thanks for the info about preventing non-members from posting. I got it. Because I currently have sendmail lists where users cannot unsubscribe (and are not allowed to), is there any mechanism for disabling a members's ability to do this? For example, a list to deliver emergency notices would not work too well if members were permitted to unsubscribe. At the same time, however, I desire the no-posting from non-members. Thanks. Dave Robbins From tshrider at kascope.com Fri Mar 31 23:40:18 2000 From: tshrider at kascope.com (Todd Shrider) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Archives In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000331151241.00abc6e0@mail.zefex.com> Message-ID: If you look in /home/mailmain/archive/ (or your equiv) public is a symbolic link to private. I don't know that this should be the case for public in the cgi-bin or not, but what the hay! --- Todd M. Shrider tshrider at kascope.com On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff Fiegel wrote: > At 03:00 PM 3/31/00 -0500, you wrote: > Well there is no file named "public" in the /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ but > there is a "private" and the private archives work so???????? I assume > there should be a public file as well... > > > >Are they really missing or do you not have the link in the httpd.conf file > >set properly? > > > >I couldn't get the public archives to work until I added the alias from > > > > /htdocs/pipermail/ -> /mailman/archives/public/ > > > >You also need to make sure in the alias directory definition has the > >FollowSymLinks attribute because mailmain uses a lot of symbolic links. > > > >--- > >Todd M. Shrider > >tshrider at kascope.com > > > >On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff Fiegel wrote: > > > > > > > > >Does the cgi-bin/public file get created as part of the setup??? Because > > > >mine is missing... (So the public archives don't work..) If they are > > > >installation independent can someone please send me the file...??? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------ > >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Fri Mar 31 23:42:35 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:42:35 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman? Message-ID: Hi there! I was wondering if somebody could help me out. I've got it installed, and it says that everything is happy, but when it tries to subscribe me, this is the error that I get in $mailman/logs/smtp-failures: Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To gleblanc at cu-portland.edu: Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / (110, 'Connection timed out') (deferred) Mar 27 10:58:18 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting? Sendmail doesn't say that anything is wrong, and I can send mail from ordinary users. No, my MTA daemon doesn't need restarting, I tried that already. I've run out of things to look at. Thanks, Greg From liu.dongsheng at etang.net Tue Mar 14 08:09:27 2000 From: liu.dongsheng at etang.net (Tonny Liu) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:09:27 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to only grant mail list administor to send mail? References: <3A650CD4.2DD29E7F@hal-pc.org> Message-ID: <001901bf8d84$3c600b30$ec05a8c0@tonny> Hello all: I'm using mailman for an enterprise, I created some lists for them just used to send magazine to users. their request is, to a list, just the list administor can send mail magazine and others can't. I set the "Must be apporved by an administrator" to "yes", but list administrator have to receive many pending request mail, and everytime, he send a mail,he himself had to go to his mailbox to handle his own send request. How can I do to send such mail sent directly and don't have to go through "pending requests" handling. Thanks.