From gsutter at pobox.com  Tue Feb  1 00:33:48 2000
From: gsutter at pobox.com (Gregory Sutter)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:33:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with local sender
In-Reply-To: <389076C4.E3C0C73E@owp.csus.edu>; from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu on Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:48:04AM -0800
References: <20000127012601.D42391@azazel.zer0.org> <389076C4.E3C0C73E@owp.csus.edu>
Message-ID: <20000131153348.C55683@azazel.zer0.org>

On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:48:04AM -0800, Joseph Scott wrote:
> Gregory Sutter wrote:
> > 
> > I have a problem with my freshly-installed Mailman 1.1.  When a mail is
> > sent to a list, it goes through properly.  Everything works fine.
> > *Unless* the sender is on the list host.  In that case, a duplicate
> > is also made and is held in sendmail (8.9.3)'s queue until mailman's "post"
> > script is killed.  At that time the duplicate is sent out to all list
> > members and the zombie processes (one sh, one python) that were being
> > held open finally get cleaned up.
> > 
> > Python 1.5.2 (#2, Jun 10 1999, 15:33:16)  [GCC 2.7.2.1] on freebsd3
> > 
> > List of processes being held open:
> > 44829  ??  Is     0:00.01 sendmail -oem -oi -N failure -R full -- test at foo.org
> > 44830  ??  Is     0:00.00 sh -c /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post test
> > 44831  ??  I      0:00.22 /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/scripts/post test
> > 44832  ??  Z      0:00.00  (python)
> > 44833  ??  Z      0:00.00  (sh)
> > 
> > Sendmail logs from the message:
> > Jan 27 00:31:17 <2.6> soivah sendmail[44827]: AAA44827: from=gsutter, size=456,
> > class=0, pri=30456, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20000127003117.A42391 at soivah.foo.org>, rel
> > ay=gsutter at localhost
> > Jan 27 00:31:17 <2.6> soivah sendmail[44827]: AAB44827: clone AAA44827, owner=te
> > st-admin
> > Jan 27 00:31:18 <2.6> soivah sendmail[44840]: AAA44840: from=<test-admin at foo.or
> > g>, size=924, class=-60, pri=138924, nrcpts=1, msgid=<20000127003117.A42391 at azaz
> > el.foo.org>, proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
> > Jan 27 00:31:20 <2.6> soivah sendmail[44841]: AAA44840: to="|IFS=' ' && exec /us
> > r/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #gsutter", ctladdr=<gsutter at foo.org> (1001/
> > 20), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
> 
> 	From this last log entry here it shows that you are running procmail
> via a .forward, I wonder if procmail may be doing something strange. 
> On the machine that I've got we're using procmail for local delivery,
> not via a .forward

This can't be it, because the problem occurs before procmail ever gets
called.  In the logs above, the message is cloned and queued before any
type of delivery takes place.  It's pretty puzzling. 
 
Greg 
-- 
Gregory S. Sutter                    Computing is a terminal addiction.
mailto:gsutter at pobox.com
http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/
PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052



From joseph.scott at owp.csus.edu  Tue Feb  1 00:40:50 2000
From: joseph.scott at owp.csus.edu (Joseph Scott)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:40:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman problem with local sender
References: <20000127012601.D42391@azazel.zer0.org> <389076C4.E3C0C73E@owp.csus.edu> <20000131153348.C55683@azazel.zer0.org>
Message-ID: <38961D82.E91E7BE@owp.csus.edu>

Gregory Sutter wrote:
> This can't be it, because the problem occurs before procmail ever gets
> called.  In the logs above, the message is cloned and queued before any
> type of delivery takes place.  It's pretty puzzling.
> 
> Greg

	What version of sendmail are you using? 8.9.3 I would suppose?  I've
got python :

Python 1.5.2 (#2, Nov 20 1999, 11:06:54)  [GCC 2.7.2.3] on freebsd3

on my box.  FreeBSD (uname -a) :

FreeBSD pebkac.owp.csus.edu 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Thu Jan
27 14:23:22 PST 2000    
scottj at pebkac.owp.csus.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/PEBKAC  i386

Except for some possible hardware problems it's been running fine. 
You also mentioned that this only happens if a user on that box sends
email to the list, what's different about a user on the box sending to
the list than a normal person sending to the list?

Strange.

-- 

Joseph Scott
joseph.scott at owp.csus.edu
Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento



From scott.kinnane at prth.pgs.com  Tue Feb  1 04:47:00 2000
From: scott.kinnane at prth.pgs.com (Scott Kinnane-Systems Support Engineer PGS SPS Perth)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:47:00 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting up umbrella lists??
Message-ID: <38965734.FD966340@prth.pgs.com>

Hi all,

Just trying to do something simple - set up an umbrella list. There is
an option umbrella_list which needs to be set AFAIK to make it an
umbrella list. Is this in the web interface under Mailman 1.0 somewhere,
or is it only available for 1.1??

Any problems associated with umbrella lists??

scott



From hema at spacenetindia.com  Tue Feb  1 05:57:18 2000
From: hema at spacenetindia.com (hema)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:27:18 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NO BOUNCED MESSAGES..
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002011022070.24763-100000@alpha.spacenetindia.com>

Hi all,

I had written this earlier too. But didn't receive any reply. 

I had deliberately entered wrong email addresses in my mailing list except
for  mine (as an administrator) to check if I am intimated of any bounced
messages. After several postings to the list I still have not received any
messages as an administrator. I have tried changing various options but
nothing seems to work.  Please help...

Thanks

Regards
Hema 




From speedy at WebBios.com.au  Tue Feb  1 06:08:49 2000
From: speedy at WebBios.com.au (Speedy)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:08:49 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMAIL with MailMan
Message-ID: <38966A61.3EB3D5A2@WebBios.com.au>

Hey all.

Even if I manage to get mailman working with qmail, all the scripts that
you use to add new mailing lists and such will not work anymore will
they? seeing as they're configured to work with sendmail, it would
modify the sendmail config files rather than the qmail files, right?

TIA,

Gonz.



From scott.kinnane at prth.pgs.com  Tue Feb  1 07:00:56 2000
From: scott.kinnane at prth.pgs.com (Scott Kinnane-Systems Support Engineer PGS SPS Perth)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 14:00:56 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] QMAIL with MailMan
References: <38966A61.3EB3D5A2@WebBios.com.au>
Message-ID: <38967697.25E51C71@prth.pgs.com>

Gonz,

AFAIK, Mailman only requires aliases to be added so incoming mail for a
list can be parsed by mailman. I'm sure if qmail has something similar to
sendmail's /etc/aliases file, then everything would be ok.

scott

Speedy wrote:

> Hey all.
>
> Even if I manage to get mailman working with qmail, all the scripts that
> you use to add new mailing lists and such will not work anymore will
> they? seeing as they're configured to work with sendmail, it would
> modify the sendmail config files rather than the qmail files, right?
>
> TIA,
>
> Gonz.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From mlrhazi at gltrade.fr  Tue Feb  1 12:39:20 2000
From: mlrhazi at gltrade.fr (Mohamed LRHAZI)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:39:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with crontab jobs
Message-ID: <3896C5E8.19FB53A8@gltrade.fr>

Hello there,

I just joind in... and my first problem is that the cron jobs seem to
all fail...;
I disabled the most frequent of them, and unuseful for me... the one I
kept is :

# Every 1/2 hour flush the outgoing mail queue.
12,42 * * * * /usr/local/bin/python /export/home/mailman/cron/run_queue

If I run it as user mailman, it says :
$ /usr/local/bin/python /export/home/mailman/cron/run_queue
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/export/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/export/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory
$ id
uid=107(mailman) gid=1(other)

To solve this, I did what might be stupid, by accident actually :)
chown -R mailman:mailman ~mailman

instead of ~mailman/cron

now, my initial problem seems to have gone away, since i can run all
those jobs
without them complaining...
my question is, did I screw up anything by that recursive chown on all
of mailman dir, and
that's the directory where I actually installed mailman !!

Thanx alot.




From kirk at braille.uwo.ca  Tue Feb  1 12:35:10 2000
From: kirk at braille.uwo.ca (Kirk Reiser)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 06:35:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <m12FbaQ-0013oAC@braille.uwo.ca>

unsubscribe grump kirk at braille.uwo.ca



From gzbigegg at 21cn.com  Tue Feb  1 15:26:51 2000
From: gzbigegg at 21cn.com (gzbigegg)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:26:51 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List Storage
Message-ID: <009201bf6cc0$a2941e80$0201a8c0@bigass>

hi All,

I have some questions about mail storage:

1) Can I store the subscribers information into some DB servers, such as MySQL or ORACLE? I think now this data is stored in the DBM. What files should I change for this purpose?

2) Can I store the archieves into the DB servers? I really don't know the storage method of archieves.

3) Where is the source codes of executables under the directory 'mailman/cgi-bin'?

Thanks & Have a nice day!
Liu Yan


From m-trull at uchicago.edu  Tue Feb  1 15:51:28 2000
From: m-trull at uchicago.edu (Mary Trull)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:51:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers don't receive postings
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000201084904.009c9e00@merle.acns.nwu.edu>

Hello all,
I have a problem with subscribers who say they don't receive messages 
posted to the list; the membership-management page shows these users as 
subscribed normally.  Any advice?
Many thanks,
Mary



From schampeo at hesketh.com  Tue Feb  1 15:55:04 2000
From: schampeo at hesketh.com (Steven Champeon)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:55:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribers don't receive postings
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000201084904.009c9e00@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000201095434.24386A-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net>

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Mary Trull wrote:
> I have a problem with subscribers who say they don't receive messages 
> posted to the list; the membership-management page shows these users as 
> subscribed normally.  Any advice?

Check your maillog to see if the messages are being sent to those
subscribers? 

Steve




From rullfig at uchicago.edu  Tue Feb  1 18:27:45 2000
From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:27:45 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting a Reply-To?
Message-ID: <38971791.7682554B@uchicago.edu>

Does the newest version of mailman allow an administrator to
setup a Reply-To field for all outgoing messages? This is
important for lists that are used as one way lists where members
never send and always receive email from the list. This feature
was in Majordomo and is being sorely missed by a couple of list
owners.

Also, is there a way for the moderator of a list to edit a
message sent by a member when he/she approves it? - another
feature in Majordomo that appears to be absent...


--
Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu
Systems Administrator
Networking Services and Information Technologies
University of Chicago



From lhough at nbase-xyplex.com  Tue Feb  1 19:55:41 2000
From: lhough at nbase-xyplex.com (Hough, Linden)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:55:41 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com>

The temptation is killing me:)

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Reiser [mailto:kirk at braille.uwo.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 06:35
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


unsubscribe grump kirk at braille.uwo.ca

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Feb  1 19:52:18 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com>
References: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com>
Message-ID: <20000201135218.A12981@xcski.com>

Quoting Hough, Linden (lhough at nbase-xyplex.com):
> The temptation is killing me:)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Reiser [mailto:kirk at braille.uwo.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 06:35
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
> 
> 
> unsubscribe grump kirk at braille.uwo.ca

What's the name of that mailing list that you subscribe lusers who can't
figure out how to unsubscribe from mailing lists to?  Lurking there used to be
a blast - all these indignant idiots telling everybody else "unsubscribe me,
dammit" and "why are you still sending me email?".

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
"I find your lack of clue...disturbing" - Sithadmin Vader.
SETI at Home: http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
Me: http://xcski.com/~ptomblin/



From garret at satix.net  Tue Feb  1 20:09:00 2000
From: garret at satix.net (Garret Krampe)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:09:00 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
References: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com> <20000201135218.A12981@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <38972F4C.BC2A416C@satix.net>

Just a thought Paul,
can the unsubscribe be made to work ?
It's a bis of a drag having this sort of thing happen all the time.

The poor buggers get FLAMED with a volley of e-mails...
probably cost python.org $20 bucks worth of data a week at least.


Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Quoting Hough, Linden (lhough at nbase-xyplex.com):
> > The temptation is killing me:)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kirk Reiser [mailto:kirk at braille.uwo.ca]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 06:35
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
> >
> >
> > unsubscribe grump kirk at braille.uwo.ca
>
> What's the name of that mailing list that you subscribe lusers who can't
> figure out how to unsubscribe from mailing lists to?  Lurking there used to be
> a blast - all these indignant idiots telling everybody else "unsubscribe me,
> dammit" and "why are you still sending me email?".
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
> "I find your lack of clue...disturbing" - Sithadmin Vader.
> SETI at Home: http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> Me: http://xcski.com/~ptomblin/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Regards,






From ptomblin at xcski.com  Tue Feb  1 20:13:17 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:13:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <38972F4C.BC2A416C@satix.net>
References: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com> <20000201135218.A12981@xcski.com> <38972F4C.BC2A416C@satix.net>
Message-ID: <20000201141317.B13441@xcski.com>

Quoting Garret Krampe (garret at satix.net):
> can the unsubscribe be made to work ?

It's up to the owner of the mailing list whether they want to turn on the
"Administrivia filter".  I don't recommend it, because I used to do that with
majordomo and it was a pain in the ass to have to manually approve a message
every time somebody used the word "sub<you know what>" in a sentence.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
"I find your lack of clue...disturbing" - Sithadmin Vader.
SETI at Home: http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
Me: http://xcski.com/~ptomblin/



From garret at satix.net  Tue Feb  1 20:14:55 2000
From: garret at satix.net (Garret Krampe)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:14:55 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users]
References: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com> <20000201135218.A12981@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <389730AF.1A74A9A9@satix.net>

Just a suggestion ... a newbies list a Red hat list
and a combined archive ?

Apon subscribing send a list of the FAQ's and common scripts for RH etc.

Can you make archives searchable ?

Any one recommend a search utility for their archives ?
would have to honour the "private" and "public"
conventions.
--
Regards,

 Garret Krampe
(Managing Director)

---------------------
SATIX Pty Ltd.




From mlrhazi at gltrade.fr  Tue Feb  1 21:20:40 2000
From: mlrhazi at gltrade.fr (Mohamed LRHAZI)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:20:40 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
References: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com> <20000201135218.A12981@xcski.com> <38972F4C.BC2A416C@satix.net>
Message-ID: <01f101bf6cf1$cf631ac0$03031cac@production.gltrade.fr>

Hello all,
I thought I saw on some of Mailman screens sth like : check if the email is
actually
a post, and not some admin message like unsubscribe.... didnt I  ?

Sorry, I just installed Mailman, and did not use it much yet....

LM~
----- Original Message -----
From: Garret Krampe <garret at satix.net>
To: Paul Tomblin <ptomblin at xcski.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)


> Just a thought Paul,
> can the unsubscribe be made to work ?
> It's a bis of a drag having this sort of thing happen all the time.
>
> The poor buggers get FLAMED with a volley of e-mails...
> probably cost python.org $20 bucks worth of data a week at least.
>
>
> Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
> > Quoting Hough, Linden (lhough at nbase-xyplex.com):
> > > The temptation is killing me:)
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kirk Reiser [mailto:kirk at braille.uwo.ca]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 06:35
> > > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
> > >
> > >
> > > unsubscribe grump kirk at braille.uwo.ca
> >
> > What's the name of that mailing list that you subscribe lusers who can't
> > figure out how to unsubscribe from mailing lists to?  Lurking there used
to be
> > a blast - all these indignant idiots telling everybody else "unsubscribe
me,
> > dammit" and "why are you still sending me email?".
> >
> > --
> > Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.
> > "I find your lack of clue...disturbing" - Sithadmin Vader.
> > SETI at Home: http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
> > Me: http://xcski.com/~ptomblin/
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> --
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From rullfig at uchicago.edu  Tue Feb  1 20:27:28 2000
From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:27:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting a Reply-To?
References: <38971791.7682554B@uchicago.edu> <38972DC3.2FA973CA@satix.net>
Message-ID: <389733A0.68E6FDED@uchicago.edu>

Garret Krampe wrote:
> 
> Roberto Ullfig wrote:
> 
> > Does the newest version of mailman allow an administrator to
> > setup a Reply-To field for all outgoing messages? This is
> > important for lists that are used as one way lists where members
> > never send and always receive email from the list. This feature
> > was in Majordomo and is being sorely missed by a couple of list
> > owners.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Are replies to a post directed to the original poster
>       or to the list? Poster is strongly recommended.
>                                      (Details)
> ------------------------------------------------------
> * List * Poster * Administrator * other [              ]
> is what is needed.
> Should be a simple change to do .... hey anyone want to ?
> 

Don't know Python; my solution would be to make another filter
run from /etc/mail/aliases (before the mailman program is run) -
the filter would add an appropriate Reply-To field to the
message.

--
Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu
Systems Administrator
Networking Services and Information Technologies
University of Chicago



From michael at spconnect.com  Tue Feb  1 20:34:10 2000
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:34:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix <-> Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20000201170007.60FCC1CED8@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002010928120.30570-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

The search engine at python.org was down this morning.


Has anyone patched Bouncer.py to handle Postfix? Being the first of the
month, this topic is near and dear to me.

Thanks
Michael




From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Feb  1 20:51:42 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:51:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users] 
In-Reply-To: Message from Garret Krampe <garret@satix.net> 
   of "Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:14:55 +0800." <389730AF.1A74A9A9@satix.net> 
References: <D0517AEA3550D311A9B70060970C719A862C68@ltnsvex3.xyplex.com> <20000201135218.A12981@xcski.com>  <389730AF.1A74A9A9@satix.net> 
Message-ID: <E12FjKw-0001nj-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:14:55 +0800 
Garret Krampe <garret at satix.net> wrote:

> Any one recommend a search utility for their archives ?  would
> have to honour the "private" and "public" conventions.  

I use UdmSearch, a MySQL based site search engine.  It works quite
nicely, tho its MailMan ignorant (which is what I want).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Feb  1 20:52:26 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:52:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix <-> Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Ghens <michael@spconnect.com> 
   of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:34:10 PST." <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002010928120.30570-100000@merlin.spconnect.com> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002010928120.30570-100000@merlin.spconnect.com> 
Message-ID: <E12FjLe-0001oE-00@dingo.kanga.nu>

On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:34:10 -0800 (PST) 
Michael Ghens <michael at spconnect.com> wrote:

> The search engine at python.org was down this morning.  Has anyone
> patched Bouncer.py to handle Postfix? Being the first of the
> month, this topic is near and dear to me.

I believe the current CVS tree has it.

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--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From adhir at forumone.com  Tue Feb  1 23:04:47 2000
From: adhir at forumone.com (Alok Dhir)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:04:47 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix <-> Mailman
Message-ID: <D1E51FFB3744D311973A00104BD1D6BE10F7F1@pluto.forumone.com>

I believe the 1.2 development version has this in it...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Michael Ghens
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 2:34 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix <-> Mailman
> 
> 
> The search engine at python.org was down this morning.
> 
> 
> Has anyone patched Bouncer.py to handle Postfix? Being the 
> first of the
> month, this topic is near and dear to me.
> 
> Thanks
> Michael
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From melissa.ng at amd.com  Tue Feb  1 23:40:48 2000
From: melissa.ng at amd.com (Melissa G. Ng)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:40:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Porting majordomo lists to mailman
Message-ID: <20000201164048.D20741@hendrix.amd.com>

Is there a way to port majordomo lists to mailman.  We have more than
200 lists on a majordomo server that we would like to brint to
a mailman server.

Thank You.
-- 
Melissa G. Ng
CAD Systems Engineering
512.602.4111



From Mark.Martinec at ijs.si  Tue Feb  1 23:44:17 2000
From: Mark.Martinec at ijs.si (Mark Martinec)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 23:44:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers wrong in the monthly password reminders
Message-ID: <01JLETM7202Q0044GN@CATHY.IJS.SI>

The headers in the monthly password reminders are still wrong,
even on the python.org mailing lists. I'm subscribed to
mailman-announce and mailman-users and yet the headers in both
reminders claim the list is mailman-developers!

This is happening to my lists as well - seems like the
name of the first list is used for all mailing lists.

Here are both examples:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 05:02:47 -0500 (EST)
From: mailman-owner at python.org
Subject: python.org mailing list memberships reminder
Sender: mailman-developers-admin at python.org
                ^^^^^^^^^^
To: mark.martinec at ijs.si
Errors-to: mailman-developers-admin at python.org
                   ^^^^^^^^^^
X-BeenThere: mailman-developers at python.org
                     ^^^^^^^^^^
List-Id: Mailman mailing list developers <mailman-developers.python.org>
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your python.org
mailing list memberships.

[...]
List                                     Password // URL
----                                     --------  
mailman-announce at python.org              ...
        ^^^^^^^^
http://www.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-announce/mark.martinec at ijs.si
                                              ^^^^^^^^
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 05:08:48 -0500 (EST)
From: mailman-owner at python.org
Subject: python.org mailing list memberships reminder
Sender: mailman-developers-admin at python.org
                ^^^^^^^^^^
To: Mark.Martinec at ijs.si
Errors-to: mailman-developers-admin at python.org
                   ^^^^^^^^^^
X-BeenThere: mailman-developers at python.org
                     ^^^^^^^^^^
List-Id: Mailman mailing list developers <mailman-developers.python.org>
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^
[...]
List                                     Password // URL
----                                     --------  
mailman-users at python.org                 ...
        ^^^^^
http://www.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark.martinec at ijs.si
                                              ^^^^^
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Regards
   Mark

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From mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu  Tue Feb  1 23:58:13 2000
From: mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu (Michael Boudreau)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:58:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman administration without web interface
Message-ID: <20000201225510Z71628-7598+334@journals.uchicago.edu>

I'd like to use mailman to handle two different kinds of lists. 

Both lists must be closed, and only the administrator can post (i.e., they
are for distributing announcements, not for member postings).

One kind of list can be subscribed to by any user, using the mailman web
interface.

The other kind should be controlled by the administrator. I would like the
administrator to be able to establish and modify the list of subscribers by
ftp or email, rather than the mailman web interface.

I see there's a form for mass subscribing members to a list, which is easy
enough to do once. But is there a way to update weekly or daily the list of
subscribers without using the web pages?



=================================================
Michael Boudreau
Electronic Publishing Developer
University of Chicago Press, Journals Division

email: mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu
phone: 773 753 3298
fax: 773 753 0827
=================================================



From ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de  Wed Feb  2 02:40:38 2000
From: ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (Matthias Andree)
Date: 02 Feb 2000 02:40:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix <-> Mailman
In-Reply-To: Michael Ghens's message of "Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:34:10 -0800 (PST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002010928120.30570-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <m33drcjsa1.fsf@emma1.emma.line.org>

Michael Ghens <michael at spconnect.com> writes:

> The search engine at python.org was down this morning.
> 
> 
> Has anyone patched Bouncer.py to handle Postfix? Being the first of the
> month, this topic is near and dear to me.

I patched the current *release* (not CVS) version to recognize the user
unknown error that postfix sends. No soft errors, just the hard
unsubscription, I can try to catch soft errors as well if you send me a
bounce containing one. I will send my patch to you once I get hold of it
(it's running on a machine at University, while I'm currently off-line).

In case I should forget, feel free to remind me after two days. 

-- 
Matthias Andree

Hi! I'm the infamous .signature virus!
Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!



From jwilliams at uchicago.edu  Wed Feb  2 18:35:40 2000
From: jwilliams at uchicago.edu (Joel Williams)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:35:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Mass Unsubscribe Users
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000202093450.00a39bc0@nsit-popmail.uchicago.edu>

Is there any means of unsubscribing groups of email addresses to a list



From stever at seawingsub.com  Wed Feb  2 16:47:37 2000
From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Mass Unsubscribe Users
References: <4.2.0.58.20000202093450.00a39bc0@nsit-popmail.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <38985198.56AEDAC2@seawingsub.com>


remove_members in the mailman bin directory.
run it without arguements and it gives you basic instructions.

Joel Williams wrote:
> 
> Is there any means of unsubscribing groups of email addresses to a list
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Wed Feb  2 17:52:24 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:52:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo -> mailman migration
Message-ID: <20000202115224.A29085@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

I would like to migrate my majordomo lists to mailmain in order to take advantage of some of
the mailman features that majordomo does not have.

My final mailman setup will look like this:

NNTP <--> MailMan
Web <---  MailMan
Mailman <--> Mailman

That is to say that users should be able to post to news groups and have the posts show up on
the list as well as have posts to the lists show up in news groups. Additionally the entire
list should be viewable on the web. Web posting is not something that is needed, just viewing.
The web/nntp functions would be in addition to mailman behaving as a normal list.

The first stumbling block will be the majordomo -> mailman migration. I see no tools for
migrating majordomo user lists to mailman. Did I miss something? If anyone has done before I
would love to hear about it!

Thanks for the help!

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technical Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer
 T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416
 Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543



From schampeo at hesketh.com  Wed Feb  2 17:00:08 2000
From: schampeo at hesketh.com (Steven Champeon)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:00:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo -> mailman migration
In-Reply-To: <20000202115224.A29085@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000202105437.6263B-100000@wasabi.hesketh.net>

On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Scott Russell wrote:
> That is to say that users should be able to post to news groups and
> have the posts show up on the list as well as have posts to the
> lists show up in news groups. Additionally the entire list should be
> viewable on the web. Web posting is not something that is needed,
> just viewing.  The web/nntp functions would be in addition to
> mailman behaving as a normal list.

Mailman already has archiving features built-in, so the "visible on the
Web" part is easy. Posting to the list from the Web is also easy, FWIW.

> The first stumbling block will be the majordomo -> mailman
> migration. I see no tools for migrating majordomo user lists to
> mailman. Did I miss something? If anyone has done before I would
> love to hear about it!

I'm not entirely up on the latest scripts, but when I migrated my
amjordomo lists to mailman, I just opened up the majordomo list
membership file and cut-and-pasted into the "mass subscribe" field
on the new list. Of course, depending on how you have your majordomo
lists configured, there may be other tweaks you have to make to give
the new list the same features (extra headers, footers, posting
restrictions, filters, etc.)

I'm working under a virtusertable setup here, w/sendmail 8.9.3, so if
you're not my low-level sendmail config advice won't be much help ;)

As for newsgroup posting, you'll need to setup an alias (*not* a
virtusertable entry, though you may have to do that as well to
crosswalk between the alias and the virtusertable entry). There
are many tools that will allow you to post to a newsgroup from 
command-line mail - cf. http://www.freshmeat.net for a few.

HTH,
Steve

-- 
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Sr. Technical Consultant        f: 919.854.1579
hesketh.com/inc.                w: hesketh.com




From rullfig at uchicago.edu  Wed Feb  2 18:10:00 2000
From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:10:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Setting a Reply-To?
References: <38971791.7682554B@uchicago.edu> <38972DC3.2FA973CA@satix.net> <389733A0.68E6FDED@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <389864E8.5658ABB8@uchicago.edu>

So what I've done to get this working (for a list called
robotest) is the following:

1. copied mail-wrapper.c to mail-wrapper2.c
2. replaced the string "post" with "post2"
3. compiled wrapper2
4. copied scripts/post to scripts/post2
5. modified scripts/post2 like so

### commented out all these lines
### if len(sys.argv) > 2:
###     # assert sys.argv[1] == 'fromusenet'
###     fromusenet = 1
### else:
fromusenet = 0

AND

    msg = Message.IncomingMessage(text)
### added the following two lines
    if not msg.getheader('reply-to'):
        msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % sys.argv[2] )
###

6. in /etc/aliases -

robotest: "|/opt/pkgs/mailman/mail/wrapper2 post2 robotest
rullfig at uchicago.edu"


Now all email sent to robotest will have a Reply-To field of
"rullfig at uchicago.edu" added if one doesn't already exist. I'm
not sure how post gets called from a news to mail gateway but it
shouldn't matter because post2 is only executed from
/etc/aliases, right? Commenting out the fromusenet=1 line
shouldn't matter I believe.

Anybody see any problems with this?

--
Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu
Systems Administrator
Networking Services and Information Technologies
University of Chicago



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Feb  2 18:19:52 2000
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:19:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix <-> Mailman
References: <20000201170007.60FCC1CED8@dinsdale.python.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.10.10002010928120.30570-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <14488.26424.341345.532994@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MG" == Michael Ghens <michael at spconnect.com> writes:

    MG> The search engine at python.org was down this morning.

Sadly, our secondary dns at nist.gov has been ignoring our updates.
search.python.org should be 132.151.1.21.  Our sysadmins are working
on a fix.

    MG> Has anyone patched Bouncer.py to handle Postfix? Being the
    MG> first of the month, this topic is near and dear to me.

1.2 experimental (in CVS) has this -- a huge win! :)

-Barry



From quent at level3.net  Wed Feb  2 18:44:13 2000
From: quent at level3.net (Quent Johnson)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:44:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo -> mailman migration
In-Reply-To: <20000202115224.A29085@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>; from Scott Russell on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 11:52:24AM -0500
References: <20000202115224.A29085@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20000202104413.C27408@level3.net>

The "add_members" command looks pretty useful for migrating.  I have
lots of majordomo lists and alias include files that I'm about to convert
to mailman.

"add_members" takes a file containing email addresses, one per line,
and bulk adds them.  The comments at the top of the add_members script
pretty well describes how to use it.

I think it will be easy to write a script to generate "newlist" commands
for my majordomo aliases and another one to use "add_members" to process
the majordomo subscriber files.

	Quent Johnson
	Level 3 Communications
	Network Engineering

On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 11:52:24AM -0500, Scott Russell wrote:
> I would like to migrate my majordomo lists to mailmain in order to take advantage of some of
> the mailman features that majordomo does not have.
> 
> My final mailman setup will look like this:
> 
> NNTP <--> MailMan
> Web <---  MailMan
> Mailman <--> Mailman
> 
> That is to say that users should be able to post to news groups and have the posts show up on
> the list as well as have posts to the lists show up in news groups. Additionally the entire
> list should be viewable on the web. Web posting is not something that is needed, just viewing.
> The web/nntp functions would be in addition to mailman behaving as a normal list.
> 
> The first stumbling block will be the majordomo -> mailman migration. I see no tools for
> migrating majordomo user lists to mailman. Did I miss something? If anyone has done before I
> would love to hear about it!
> 
> Thanks for the help!
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>  Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
>  Linux Technical Center, System Admin
>  Red Hat Certified Engineer
>  T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416
>  Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543



From schlagel at bnl.gov  Wed Feb  2 18:49:22 2000
From: schlagel at bnl.gov (Schlagel, Thomas J)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:49:22 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Listproc -> Mailman ?
Message-ID: <698DB793D712D31180B600902746422D89CE5A@exchange01.bnl.gov>

I haven't done any research on this yet, so excuse a possible FAQ...

I see lots of questions on migrating from majordomo to mailman.  Are there
any automated tools for migrating from Listproc to mailman.  We have about
260 Listproc lists that we're thinking of migrating to mailman.  Version is
Listproc 8.1.

Thanks in advance.
--
Tom Schlagel
schlagel at bnl.gov



From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Wed Feb  2 19:10:20 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:10:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Bugs in weekly archiving - mailman
 1.1?
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@vdata.co.uk> 
   of "Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:36:46 GMT." <E12FdU6-0002hA-00@rioja.localnet> 
Message-ID: <E12G4EO-00063o-00@rioja.localnet>

[copied into mailman-users since the followup question is more 
appropriate there... please keep discussion onto users from now on]

I've built a patch to fix the weekly archive bug I see in mailman 1.1 - 
this fixes the problem of abusing strftime and hoping it works (it does 
mostly but I have exceptions).

Anyone know a neat way of rearchiving the misarchived messages (I can 
do this by manually pulling them out the mbox archive) and losing the 
broken week archives - ie I currently have a
	Week-of-Mon-20000200

which is no use to man nor beast, but needs more than just a subtle 
delete to get rid of...

	Nigel.

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From stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch  Wed Feb  2 20:51:32 2000
From: stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch (Stefan Neuenschwander)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:51:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to Mass Unsubscribe Users
In-Reply-To: <38985198.56AEDAC2@seawingsub.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20000202093450.00a39bc0@nsit-popmail.uchicago.edu>
 <38985198.56AEDAC2@seawingsub.com>
Message-ID: <v04210100b4be3ab62fcf@[172.16.0.5]>

At 8:47 Uhr -0700 02.02.2000, Steve Ruby wrote:
>remove_members in the mailman bin directory.
>run it without arguements and it gives you basic instructions.
>
>Joel Williams wrote:
> >
> > Is there any means of unsubscribing groups of email addresses to a list
> >

once more:
is there an argument to prevent mailman from sending a "goodbye 
message"? we are looking for this desperately, especially together 
with sync_members where e.g. only a mailadress changes but the member 
is still on the list.

thanx
S. Neuenschwander




From feczo at drama.obuda.kando.hu  Wed Feb  2 23:59:53 2000
From: feczo at drama.obuda.kando.hu (Feczak Szabolcs)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:59:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news2mail gateway
Message-ID: <20000202235952.A29955@drama.obuda.kando.hu>

Hi !

I fired up everything (the inn news server and mailman) on the
same machine, and I want to display news postings on the web.
The mailman works ok for normal lists, so it's distributing 
them makes the archive on the web and so on. The news server
is also works quite well alone. But after created a news2mail
group and set it up with te => Mail-News and News-Mail gateway
option. The normal mail which is sent by a mail client is ok
and goes to the archive, but the news somehow doesn't want to
get displayed in this group. Even I set the news host to localhost
and entered different newsgroup names (all were exists).
Last chance I run the script /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
myself ... Didn't worked. I didn't find any error messages in the log,
and not even what things to do in the (poor) documentation.

Please help, that makes me crazy :)

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From jonathan at NrgUp.Com  Thu Feb  3 01:40:21 2000
From: jonathan at NrgUp.Com (Jonathan Bradshaw)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:40:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP authorization
Message-ID: <20000202194021.A805@NrgUp.Com>

Does the mailman news gateway support NNTP authorization? Would it be difficult to modify it to support it?

-- 
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From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Thu Feb  3 03:13:19 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:13:19 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] NNTP authorization
In-Reply-To: <20000202194021.A805@NrgUp.Com>; from jonathan@NrgUp.Com on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 07:40:21PM -0500
References: <20000202194021.A805@NrgUp.Com>
Message-ID: <20000203111319.A4576@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 07:40:21PM -0500, Jonathan Bradshaw wrote:
> Does the mailman news gateway support NNTP authorization? Would it be
> difficult to modify it to support it?

There is no web interface to support it, but you can manually edit the lines
that create the NNTP objects in cron/gate_news and Mailman/GatewayManager.py
(or Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py if you are using the CVS version) to
include the user and password:

  con= nntplib.NNTP(self.nntp_host, user="jim", password="password")

-- 
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Python Starship     http://starship.python.org/crew/jwt/







From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au  Thu Feb  3 05:01:22 2000
From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:01:22 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix and mailman
Message-ID: <20000203150122.H15990@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>

Does mailman work with Postfix?  

When I try running Mailman, responses to the confirmation request
for subscribers are returned with the message:

| This is the Postfix program at host thrud.anatomy.usyd.edu.au.
| 
| I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
| below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
| 
| For further assistance, please contact <postmaster at anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
| 
| If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
| delete your own text from the message returned below. 
| 
|                         The Postfix program
| 
| <test-request at anatomy.usyd.edu.au>: Command died with status 2:
|     "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
 
Is this a known problem?

I've looked in the FAQ and browsed the archives for this list, but
haven't been able to work out whether Mailman doesn't work with postfix
or whether I'm missing something obvious.

Danny.




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Feb  3 06:01:51 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:01:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix and mailman
Message-ID: <200002030502.VAA00527@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> Does mailman work with Postfix?  

It's being added to 1.2, which is available from CVS; I believe
that version should process the bounces, whereas 1.1 doesn't.





From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Thu Feb  3 06:17:44 2000
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:17:44 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news2mail gateway
In-Reply-To: <20000202235952.A29955@drama.obuda.kando.hu>; from feczo@drama.obuda.kando.hu on Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 11:59:53PM +0100
References: <20000202235952.A29955@drama.obuda.kando.hu>
Message-ID: <20000203141744.B4576@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Wed, Feb 02, 2000 at 11:59:53PM +0100, Feczak Szabolcs wrote:
> I fired up everything (the inn news server and mailman) on the
> same machine, and I want to display news postings on the web.
>[..]
> is also works quite well alone. But after created a news2mail
> group and set it up with te => Mail-News and News-Mail gateway
> option. The normal mail which is sent by a mail client is ok
> and goes to the archive, but the news somehow doesn't want to
> get displayed in this group. Even I set the news host to localhost

If the python nntplib is run on the same machine as the news server (or
actually, any machine that is an NNTP peer of the news server) you can have
this problem... since you really want a "reader" connection to the news
server rather than the default NNTP connection.

I suggested modifying the Python nntplib to add the 'mode reader' that most
(all?) news servers need in this case, wrapped in a try/except just in case
you find one that doesn't[1].  Harald Meland went on to suggest adding
another argument to NNTP.__init__ so that my change wouldn't break use of
nntplib as a feeder.  I've attached one such patch for nntplib.  You would
then need to add mode='reader' to the nntplib calls in cron/gate_news and
Mailman/GatewayManager.py (or Mailman/Handlers/ToUsenet.py in the CVS
version).  Or change the patch to default to 'mode reader'.

Jim

[1] The draft-ietf-nntpext says servers should accept it, although it may
not be required, and that the only 'mode' command is 'mode reader'.

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo  7J1AJH/AI8A
Python Starship     http://starship.python.org/crew/jwt/

-------------- next part --------------
--- /home/jwt/nntplib.py.orig	Sat Sep 18 09:16:08 1999
+++ nntplib.py	Sat Sep 18 11:39:00 1999
@@ -61,17 +61,24 @@
 
 	# Initialize an instance.  Arguments:
 	# - host: hostname to connect to
 	# - port: port to connect to (default the standard NNTP port)
+	# - mode: if not None (or user is specified), issue 'mode reader'
 
-	def __init__(self, host, port = NNTP_PORT, user=None, password=None):
+	def __init__(self, host, port = NNTP_PORT, user=None, password=None,
+                     mode=None):
 		self.host = host
 		self.port = port
 		self.sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM)
 		self.sock.connect(self.host, self.port)
 		self.file = self.sock.makefile('rb')
 		self.debugging = 0
 		self.welcome = self.getresp()
+		if user or mode:
+			try:
+				self.welcome = self.shortcmd('mode reader')
+			except:
+				pass
 		if user:
 			resp = self.shortcmd('authinfo user '+user)
 			if resp[:3] == '381':
 				if not password:
@@ -466,9 +473,9 @@
 
 
 # Minimal test function
 def _test():
-	s = NNTP('news')
+	s = NNTP('news', mode='reader')
 	resp, count, first, last, name = s.group('comp.lang.python')
 	print resp
 	print 'Group', name, 'has', count, 'articles, range', first, 'to', last
 	resp, subs = s.xhdr('subject', first + '-' + last)

From wim at sonycom.com  Thu Feb  3 20:14:33 2000
From: wim at sonycom.com (Wim Peeters)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:14:33 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID cgi problem
Message-ID: <200002031914.UAA28164@geuze.sonytel.be>

Hello,


I just installed mailman-1.1.

and I got this errror:

****
 Mailman CGI error!!!

 The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server.

 The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This
 entry is being stored in your syslog: 

 ?x??x??
***

/* look at the last 'garbage' line */

Syslog says:
============
Feb  3 19:45:23 palm-utp.sonytel.be Mailman cgi-wrapper (listinfo): o^?u`oz^X,oz18

/* again garbage output */

No error log in /home/mailman/log.

I did read:
==========
"-with-cgi-gid=<group-or-groups>
>             Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the
>             CGI wrapper.  <group-or-groups> can be a list of one or
>             more integer group ids or symbolic group names.  The first
>             value in the list that resolves to an existing group is
>             used.  By default, the value is the the list `www www-data
>             nobody'.
> 
"

Configured with:
================
Solaris 2.5.1 and gcc

./configure --prefix=/home/mailman --with-python=/usr/local.host/bin/python --with-mail-gid=daemon --with-cgi-gid=nobody

Apache 1.3.6 runs with:
======================
ps -edalf -o group,comm | grep httpd
   other /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  nobody /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  nobody /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  nobody /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  nobody /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  nobody /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd

Any idea what's going wrong??
The garbage output bothers me in the WEB output,
When I cahnge apache to run with another GUID,

ps -edalf -o group,comm | grep httpd
   other /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  daemon /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  daemon /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  daemon /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  daemon /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd
  daemon /wwwi/server/apache-1.3.6/bin/httpd


I get:
=====
****
The expected gid of the Mailman CGI wrapper did not match the gid as set by the Web server.

The most likely cause is that Mailman was configured and installed incorrectly. Please read the INSTALL instructions again, paying close attention to the --with-cgi-gid configure option. This
entry is being stored in your syslog: 

Failure to exec script. WANTED gid -268436952, GOT gid 0.  (Reconfigure to take 0?)
****

Which is clearly a different message.

However in syslog:
=================
Feb  3 20:10:37 palm-utp.sonytel.be Mailman cgi-wrapper (listinfo): o^?uHoz^X,oz18
Same blabla..

Anybody?

Best Regards



-- 
Wim Peeters     

System Manager

SONY Software Development Center - Europe              (SDC-E)
SONY Digital Media Europe - Brussels                   (DME-B)
Sint Stevens Woluwestraat 55 (Rue de Woluwe-Saint-Etienne)
1130 Brussel (Bruxelles), Belgium
Telephone: +32 2 724 86 42 Telefax: +32 2 726 26 86
e-mail: Wim.Peeters at sonycom.com



From jaredm at morinda.com  Thu Feb  3 20:18:32 2000
From: jaredm at morinda.com (Jared Meeker)
Date: Thu 03 Feb 2000 12:18:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT! HELP!  unsupported format character is breaking one of my lists
Message-ID: <200002031915.MAA28431@ember.morinda.com>

This list has 2,979 users on it and there needs to be a post sent out.
Help from ANYONE would be just dandy.

Here is the error log entry:
Feb 03 12:28:22 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
post:      mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1360, in Post
post:      self.DeliverToList(msg, recipients,header = self.msg_header %
d,footer = self.msg_footer % d) 
post: ValueError :  unsupported format character ']' (0x5d) 


Here is what the email to me(the admin) was:
   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
    mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1360, in Post
    self.DeliverToList(msg, recipients,header = self.msg_header % d,footer
= self.msg_footer % d) 
ValueError: unsupported format character ']' (0x5d)
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post usnewsandmorindareport"... unknown
mailer error 1


I run three lists and the other two work just fine.  I've tried replacing
the MailList.py file and that did not work.  I can't seem to find the
problem.
-- 
Jared Meeker
System Operator
Morinda, Inc.






From rachel at intertrader.com  Thu Feb  3 20:47:08 2000
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:47:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing admindb pages ?
References: <016901bf6c2d$533a48c0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz>
Message-ID: <3899DB3C.F270B0D7@intertrader.com>

I've just set up a moderated list, and am finding it cumbersome to have to keep
going back to the top of each pending mail to approve it once I've read it.

So I'd like to move the approve/reject/discard button to the end of each mail.

How would I do that ? apologies if this is a FAQ or a RTFM answer but I have
looked and not found...

Thanks
Rachel




From stever at seawingsub.com  Thu Feb  3 21:15:19 2000
From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 13:15:19 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing admindb pages ?
References: <016901bf6c2d$533a48c0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz> <3899DB3C.F270B0D7@intertrader.com>
Message-ID: <3899E1D7.5D93CB24@seawingsub.com>


It might also be nice to have on the admindb page some sort of index
of messages to be approved, maybe with a reason and sender listed
And a checkbox to approve them without reading them. It can
be difficult over a slow modem to have 100 messages to approve
and have to see all of the content for each.

Rachel Willmer wrote:
> 
> I've just set up a moderated list, and am finding it cumbersome to have to keep
> going back to the top of each pending mail to approve it once I've read it.
> 
> So I'd like to move the approve/reject/discard button to the end of each mail.
> 
> How would I do that ? apologies if this is a FAQ or a RTFM answer but I have
> looked and not found...
> 
> Thanks
> Rachel
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Thu Feb  3 21:40:20 2000
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:40:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing admindb pages ?
In-Reply-To: <3899E1D7.5D93CB24@seawingsub.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002031432460.8232-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Steve Ruby wrote:
> It might also be nice to have on the admindb page some sort of index
> of messages to be approved, maybe with a reason and sender listed
> And a checkbox to approve them without reading them. It can
> be difficult over a slow modem to have 100 messages to approve
> and have to see all of the content for each.

     Depends on how slow your modem is.  I've managed a list over 14.4
with little complaint.  But, then again, I used to telnet into a UNIX box
to run Lynx over a 2400 baud link. <shrug>

     At any rate, I think something like this this is already in the works
for a future release. (The request which added the idea to the "big todo
list" was to allow list admins who own several lists to do all their
approving from one page instead of having to remember several different
URLs.)  I can't say for sure sure if this'll be in 1.2, tho.  Maybe 1.3.  
Barry?

						~ Rick ~
--
.oooO "Man with closed Oooo.    Rick C. Niess
(   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
 \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
--\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------





From ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de  Fri Feb  4 01:22:31 2000
From: ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (Matthias Andree)
Date: 04 Feb 2000 01:22:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix and mailman
In-Reply-To: Danny Yee's message of "Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:01:22 +1100"
References: <20000203150122.H15990@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
Message-ID: <m3vh45vmt4.fsf@emma1.emma.line.org>

Danny Yee <danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au> writes:

> Does mailman work with Postfix?  

Yup. 

> | <test-request at anatomy.usyd.edu.au>: Command died with status 2:
> |     "/var/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>  
> Is this a known problem?

There is something strange with your setup. Debug your setup (are the
groups set properly? What does the syslog say?)

Note that Mailman does not properly process bounces generated by Postfix
systems currently. There are reports that claim that the CVS version
should cope with them, I haven't tried.

-- 
Matthias Andree

Hi! I'm the infamous .signature virus!
Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Feb  4 08:05:47 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:05:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT! HELP!  unsupported format character is breaking one of my lists
Message-ID: <200002040705.XAA12120@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

It looks a lot like there's an unsupported format character (']')
in either msg_header or msg_footer.  The messages about it are
amazingly clear, it seems to me.

Did you just change either the header or footer?

Did you do it in such a way so as to add something like "%]" to
the message?

Can you examine your header and footer anyway and look for that?

The web page admin interface shows them in the "Regular-member (non-digest)
Options".


> This list has 2,979 users on it and there needs to be a post sent out.
> Help from ANYONE would be just dandy.
> 
> Here is the error log entry:
> Feb 03 12:28:22 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last):
> post:   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
> post:      mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
> post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1360, in Post
> post:      self.DeliverToList(msg, recipients,header = self.msg_header %
> d,footer = self.msg_footer % d) 
> post: ValueError :  unsupported format character ']' (0x5d) 
> 
> 
> Here is what the email to me(the admin) was:
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
>     mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1360, in Post
>     self.DeliverToList(msg, recipients,header = self.msg_header % d,footer
> = self.msg_footer % d) 
> ValueError: unsupported format character ']' (0x5d)
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post usnewsandmorindareport"... unknown
> mailer error 1
> 
> 
> I run three lists and the other two work just fine.  I've tried replacing
> the MailList.py file and that did not work.  I can't seem to find the
> problem.
> -- 
> Jared Meeker
> System Operator
> Morinda, Inc.




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Feb  4 08:18:04 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:18:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT! HELP!  unsupported format character is breaking one of my lists
Message-ID: <200002040718.XAA12364@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

\
> Did you do it in such a way so as to add something like "%]" to
> the message?
> 
> Can you examine your header and footer anyway and look for that?

And if it has a "%]" in it, and you absolutely need it, put in a
double "%", i.e. "%%]"




From jaredm at morinda.com  Fri Feb  4 19:37:40 2000
From: jaredm at morinda.com (Jared Meeker)
Date: Fri 04 Feb 2000 11:37:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT! HELP!  unsupported format character is breaking one of my lists
In-Reply-To: <200002040705.XAA12120@utopia.West.Sun.COM>
Message-ID: <200002041834.LAA17074@ember.morinda.com>

Thanks.  Here's what I discovered.  My footer had the field "Unsubscribe
%(real_name)]" in it.  I removed the brackets and still got the error. 
What I found to be the real problem was I missed the last "s" on the
variable reference.  It now properly reads "Unsubscribe %(real_name)s".

Thanks for the clue.  I didn't think to go to the header/footer defs. page.
-- 
Jared Meeker
System Operator
Morinda, Inc.


---Reply to mail from Dan Mick about [Mailman-Users] URGENT! HELP!  unsupported format character is breaking one of my lists
> It looks a lot like there's an unsupported format character (']')
> in either msg_header or msg_footer.  The messages about it are
> amazingly clear, it seems to me.
> 
> Did you just change either the header or footer?
> 
> Did you do it in such a way so as to add something like "%]" to
> the message?
> 
> Can you examine your header and footer anyway and look for that?
> 
> The web page admin interface shows them in the "Regular-member (non-digest)
> Options".
> 
> 
>> This list has 2,979 users on it and there needs to be a post sent out.
>> Help from ANYONE would be just dandy.
>> 
>> Here is the error log entry:
>> Feb 03 12:28:22 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last):
>> post:   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
>> post:      mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
>> post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1360, in Post
>> post:      self.DeliverToList(msg, recipients,header = self.msg_header %
>> d,footer = self.msg_footer % d) 
>> post: ValueError :  unsupported format character ']' (0x5d) 
>> 
>> 
>> Here is what the email to me(the admin) was:
>>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>> Traceback (innermost last):
>>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
>>     mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
>>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1360, in Post
>>     self.DeliverToList(msg, recipients,header = self.msg_header % d,footer
>> = self.msg_footer % d) 
>> ValueError: unsupported format character ']' (0x5d)
>> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post usnewsandmorindareport"... unknown
>> mailer error 1
>> 
>> 
>> I run three lists and the other two work just fine.  I've tried replacing
>> the MailList.py file and that did not work.  I can't seem to find the
>> problem.
>> -- 
>> Jared Meeker
>> System Operator
>> Morinda, Inc.

---End reply






From demian at csbs.utah.edu  Fri Feb  4 19:47:22 2000
From: demian at csbs.utah.edu (Demian Hanks)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:47:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail??
Message-ID: <389B1EBA.F78E91B4@csbs.utah.edu>

I am setting up a new listserver, and seem to have 
mailman running fine, but I'm thinking now that I 
like the look and feel of hyper-mail's web-archives
better than pipermail. No-offense to piper's developer.

Has anyone tried to make the swap? Is there a reason 
not to do this?
And finally, what is the best way to go about making 
this change?

Thanks,
Demian



From skip at mojam.com  Fri Feb  4 22:28:08 2000
From: skip at mojam.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:28:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail??
In-Reply-To: <389B1EBA.F78E91B4@csbs.utah.edu>
References: <389B1EBA.F78E91B4@csbs.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <14491.17512.772656.248439@beluga.mojam.com>

    Demian> Has anyone tried to make the swap? Is there a reason not to do
    Demian> this?

1. I don't think hypermail is supported any longer.
2. Unless you have a patched version, it's abysmally slow at indexing large
   message collections, because it never saves earlier results.  Each
   message file must be opened and parsed to generate the new index.  This
   happens each time a new message is received.
3. It loses the raw email message (most headers, etc).  I suspect pipermail
   does as well, but may have some other options for archiving messages in
   raw form.

    Demian> And finally, what is the best way to go about making 
    Demian> this change?

I suggest you don't.

Skip Montanaro | http://www.mojam.com/
skip at mojam.com | http://www.musi-cal.com/
847-971-7098
"Languages that change by catering to the tastes of non-users tend
not to do so well." - Doug Landauer



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb  4 22:34:35 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:34:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail?? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Skip Montanaro <skip@mojam.com> 
   of "Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:28:08 CST." <14491.17512.772656.248439@beluga.mojam.com> 
References: <389B1EBA.F78E91B4@csbs.utah.edu>  <14491.17512.772656.248439@beluga.mojam.com> 
Message-ID: <19012.949700075@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:28:08 -0600 (CST) 
Skip Montanaro <skip at mojam.com> wrote:

Demian> Has anyone tried to make the swap? Is there a reason not to
Demian> do this?

...various deficiencies of Hypermail deletia...

Or, to put it simply:

  MHonArc is a heck of a lot better, faster, more configurable, etc.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From schlagel at bnl.gov  Fri Feb  4 22:38:26 2000
From: schlagel at bnl.gov (Schlagel, Thomas J)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:38:26 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail??
Message-ID: <698DB793D712D31180B600902746422D89CE79@exchange01.bnl.gov>

Skip,

Yes, hypermail is still being supported by somebody.  See
http://www.hypermail.org.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip at mojam.com]
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 4:28 PM
To: Demian Hanks
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] hyper-mail vs. pipermail??



    Demian> Has anyone tried to make the swap? Is there a reason not to do
    Demian> this?

1. I don't think hypermail is supported any longer.
2. Unless you have a patched version, it's abysmally slow at indexing large
   message collections, because it never saves earlier results.  Each
   message file must be opened and parsed to generate the new index.  This
   happens each time a new message is received.
3. It loses the raw email message (most headers, etc).  I suspect pipermail
   does as well, but may have some other options for archiving messages in
   raw form.

    Demian> And finally, what is the best way to go about making 
    Demian> this change?

I suggest you don't.

Skip Montanaro | http://www.mojam.com/
skip at mojam.com | http://www.musi-cal.com/
847-971-7098
"Languages that change by catering to the tastes of non-users tend
not to do so well." - Doug Landauer

------------------------------------------------------
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From rachel at intertrader.com  Sat Feb  5 02:37:49 2000
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 01:37:49 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy problem with mailman archives ?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000205013343.009c1be0@127.0.0.1>

Looking at the public archives for the mailing list I've just created, it 
seems that there's a privacy problem.

The archives display the email addresses of the senders in a spam-readable 
format, which would make it very easy for a robot to pick off the names of 
anyone who's posted to my list.

Is there an option I've missed that obfusticates the email addresses of 
posters addresses in the archives, in the same way that the addresses in 
the list of subscribers can be spam-proofed ?

(using mailman v1.1)

thanks for any help
Rachel



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Feb  5 03:20:55 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:20:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy problem with mailman archives ? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Rachel Willmer <rachel@intertrader.com> 
   of "Sat, 05 Feb 2000 01:37:49 GMT." <4.2.0.58.20000205013343.009c1be0@127.0.0.1> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20000205013343.009c1be0@127.0.0.1> 
Message-ID: <23692.949717255@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 01:37:49 +0000 
Rachel Willmer <rachel at intertrader.com> wrote:

> Looking at the public archives for the mailing list I've just
> created, it seems that there's a privacy problem.

Its wirth noting that there are good reasons to not protect such
email addresses against harvesting.  eg:

  Am I going to let spammers dicate to me how I comport myself on
  the net?  Am I going to give them that much importance and power
  over me?

> The archives display the email addresses of the senders in a
> spam-readable format, which would make it very easy for a robot to
> pick off the names of anyone who's posted to my list.

There are very few such web page harvesters any more as many site
have set up CGI traps (essentially infinitely recursive web pages
that trap spiders), or pages which are salted with large numbers of
dynamically generated bogus addresses (which spoil the collected
data).

> Is there an option I've missed that obfusticates the email
> addresses of posters addresses in the archives, in the same way
> that the addresses in the list of subscribers can be spam-proofed
> ?

Look under Privacy Options.

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From warren at psi-phi.org  Sat Feb  5 07:59:16 2000
From: warren at psi-phi.org (Warren Overholt)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 01:59:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Address
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000205013742.29639A-100000@friends.comm-data.com>

Hi,
	I am still having a problem on the configuration of some lists
that I run.  I have 40 lists that people can join, and then I have 2 lists
that most of the 40 lists belong to (but not all).  This alows a note to
be sent to either a particular year's list or just the alumni.  I set it
up so that I can send a message to the alumni list and it will be sent to
everyone, or anyone else can send the note and I have to approve it
(member_posting_only is set to yes) and warren at hbwoodlawn.org is in the
posters option list.  I also have the alumni at hbwoodlawn.org in the alias
names field.
	It doesn't seem like it should be impossible to avoid having to
manually approve all of the posts to the class year lists, but I'm not
seeing it.  
	Or is this a problem of the version that I am running?  I have
1.0rc2 because I have been afraid to break things that are running, mostly
because I am having to pay for my net connections by the hour rather than
by the month.  If it is a version problem where are upgrade instructions
so I break as little as possible.
		Warren




From bgmiller at dccinc.com  Sat Feb  5 16:36:42 2000
From: bgmiller at dccinc.com (Ben Miller)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:36:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list dependent subscribeack
Message-ID: <389C438A.6D31B45D@dccinc.com>

Greetings,
I recently became fed up with trying to get majordomo to work on my
server and discovered reference to mailman which I installed on the
first try simply following the instructions.  I now have a test list up
and running and it appears that all is very well.

I however do have one questions, and forgive me if it is obvious:

How do I make a custom subscribeack file for each list?

I have looked at the options where I can add a prefix to the template
and I have located the template.  Short of emptying the template and
creating the whole message in the prefix I cannot determine if there is
a way to do a custome subscribeack for each list.

Thank you in advance for any replies to my account,
Ben Miller



From rachel at intertrader.com  Sat Feb  5 20:26:51 2000
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:26:51 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy problem with mailman archives ?
References: <4.2.0.58.20000205013343.009c1be0@127.0.0.1> <23692.949717255@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <389C797B.85730FAF@intertrader.com>

I said:

> > Is there an option I've missed that obfusticates the email
> > addresses of posters addresses in the archives, in the same way
> > that the addresses in the list of subscribers can be spam-proofed
> > ?
>

J C Lawrence wrote:

> Look under Privacy Options.

I have looked. I don't see. I've set the option which says "Show member
addrs so they're not directly recognizable as email addrs?" but this
does not seem to affect the email addresses of posters in the archives.
And I don't see another option.

Any ideas ?

Rachel




From jread at semiotek.com  Sat Feb  5 21:41:20 2000
From: jread at semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] postfix / mailman 1.2
Message-ID: <20000205154120.A2884@semiotek.com>

I am running mailman 1.1 under sendmail, and I am considering upgrading 
my server to postfix. However I understand that there are some issues 
with mailman 1.1 and postfix--particularly, bounce processing. 

Therefore it would seem sensible that I should upgrade mailiman to the 
experimental 1.2 release. 

Is that really sensible? What kind of problems should I expect in the 
experimental release? Alternately, how can mailman 1.1 be made to work 
with postfix?

Bounce processing has been an issue for me in the past, I certainly 
don't want to do it manually. 

Justin




From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au  Sun Feb  6 06:02:42 2000
From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:02:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing admin passwords
In-Reply-To: <20000203141744.B4576@mail.dskk.co.jp>; from jwt@dskk.co.jp on Thu, Feb 03, 2000 at 02:17:44PM +0900
References: <20000202235952.A29955@drama.obuda.kando.hu> <20000203141744.B4576@mail.dskk.co.jp>
Message-ID: <20000206160242.A28193@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>

How does one change the administrative password for a list if the
administrator can't remember it?

Danny.

P.S. Thanks for the people who helped with my postfix query.  I'm just
hoping 1.2 comes out before my system needs to go operational...




From gzbigegg at 21cn.com  Sun Feb  6 18:05:41 2000
From: gzbigegg at 21cn.com (gzbigegg)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:05:41 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
Message-ID: <000901bf70cc$626cccc0$0201a8c0@bigass>

hi all,

I want to let the user add their own list through web interface, I set the user id who runs the apache web server to mailman, and re-write the 'newlist' function to create a new list using the parameters got from a web form.

The 'newlist' function works, I found the new list's name under the lists directory. But my problem is how to append the new aliases to the '/etc/aliases' file, and run newaliases command. All these tasks need the root uid, which I cannot get as mailman user.

I tried to chmod the /etc/aliases to the group writable or even world writable, but newaliases refuses to execute after then. Is there any work around to this problem? Or I have to add the new aliases mannually?

Thanks.
Liu Yan


From tristan.roddis at nettec.net  Sun Feb  6 19:28:25 2000
From: tristan.roddis at nettec.net (Tristan Roddis)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:28:25 -0000 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
Message-ID: <61E3BAA0DA54D311A91D00508B44EBFF384FB4@postman-pat.nettec.co.uk>

One way round this would be to allow the mailman user to run the newaliases
command as root by installing and configuring sudo:

http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/

HTH,

-Tristan.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	gzbigegg [SMTP:gzbigegg at 21cn.com]
> Sent:	Sunday, February 06, 2000 5:06 PM
> To:	Mailman-Users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
> 
> hi all,
> 
> I want to let the user add their own list through web interface, I set the
> user id who runs the apache web server to mailman, and re-write the
> 'newlist' function to create a new list using the parameters got from a
> web form.
> 
> The 'newlist' function works, I found the new list's name under the lists
> directory. But my problem is how to append the new aliases to the
> '/etc/aliases' file, and run newaliases command. All these tasks need the
> root uid, which I cannot get as mailman user.
> 
> I tried to chmod the /etc/aliases to the group writable or even world
> writable, but newaliases refuses to execute after then. Is there any work
> around to this problem? Or I have to add the new aliases mannually?
> 
> Thanks.
> Liu Yan
> 
> 1????????????+-1?????????a?z+?m???
> r?'?????????-?w??f??f????



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Sun Feb  6 20:37:34 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:37:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <000901bf70cc$626cccc0$0201a8c0@bigass>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10002061434210.10628-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

search the mailman list archives for a solution to this problem which i
posted a while back.  search for 'sendmail, 'aliases' and my name and you
should be able to find it.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, gzbigegg wrote:

> hi all,
> 
> I want to let the user add their own list through web interface, I set the user id who runs the apache web server to mailman, and re-write the 'newlist' function to create a new list using the parameters got from a web form.
> 
> The 'newlist' function works, I found the new list's name under the lists directory. But my problem is how to append the new aliases to the '/etc/aliases' file, and run newaliases command. All these tasks need the root uid, which I cannot get as mailman user.
> 
> I tried to chmod the /etc/aliases to the group writable or even world writable, but newaliases refuses to execute after then. Is there any work around to this problem? Or I have to add the new aliases mannually?
> 
> Thanks.
> Liu Yan
> 
> ??????????????????????????????????????????Y???,z?&j)e???1?????R????r?'?????i???????h??+????Y???b???~??j)fj????
> 

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From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Sun Feb  6 21:01:59 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:01:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem in paper on Mailman
Message-ID: <20000206210159.A11635@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Hello,

in the Mailman distribution, there is a file called
doc/LISA-98/published.ps.gz. I printed that file, but
it contains an error: on page 314, second column, third
paragraph, it says:
"Many persisent attributes are tied to options presented
on a web page. Figure 3 shows one of the list administration
pages for a Mailman list."
Unfortunately, I don't see any figure 3. Is this a mistake?

I'd like to see a screenshot of one of the list administration
pages for a Mailman list.

regards,
Gerrit.
-- 
Dutch 14-years-old-boy who loves Python and Linux,
homepage: http://www.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/
email:    mailto:gerrit at nl.linux.org



From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Sun Feb  6 20:55:42 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:55:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <000901bf70cc$626cccc0$0201a8c0@bigass>; from gzbigegg@21cn.com on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 01:05:41AM +0800
References: <000901bf70cc$626cccc0$0201a8c0@bigass>
Message-ID: <20000206205542.A11575@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

gzbigegg wrote on 949881941:
> Hi all,

Hello,

I'm new to this list, I'm going to try to persuade my system
administrator, but Rik van Riel doesn't seem to understand why
he should change Majordomo mailinglists to Mailman mailinglists :(

> I want to let the user add their own list through web interface, I set
> the user id who runs the apache web server to mailman, and re-write the
> 'newlist' function to create a new list using the parameters got from a
> web form.

Can you please configure your mail reader to wrap lines at 80 columns,
or just don't type lines longer than 80 chars? Thanks!

> The 'newlist' function works, I found the new list's name under the
> lists directory. But my problem is how to append the new aliases to
> the '/etc/aliases' file, and run newaliases command. All these tasks
> need the root uid, which I cannot get as mailman user.

> I tried to chmod the /etc/aliases to the group writable or even world
> writable, but newaliases refuses to execute after then. Is there any
> work around to this problem? Or I have to add the new aliases mannually?

It's certainly not needed to add them manually. You'll need to find
a way to run the certain command as root. There are a few ways for
that:

	* You could write an except script (there is a Python Expect
          module, look for it on www.vex.net/parnassus), doing the
          'su -c "command"' and passing the password through. "command"
	  could be another Python script.
	* You could write a little C program running setuid root, and
	  execute that.
	* You could use a program called 'sudo'.

In fact, it's not a Mailman issue, but a Unix issue. Consult a Unix
book or manual for more information, or ask your question on a
Unix mailinglist or newsgroup.

Success!

regards,
Gerrit.



From doug at eng.auburn.edu  Sun Feb  6 21:47:42 2000
From: doug at eng.auburn.edu (Doug Hughes)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:47:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <20000206205542.A11575@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>

On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:

> gzbigegg wrote on 949881941:
> > Hi all,
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm new to this list, I'm going to try to persuade my system
> administrator, but Rik van Riel doesn't seem to understand why
> he should change Majordomo mailinglists to Mailman mailinglists :(
> 

Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. We have both.
Well, actually, we're transitioning all of the old majordomo
lists to mailman. The list owner's, for one, are ecstatic about
the functionality they can access easily through the web.





From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Sun Feb  6 22:07:37 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:07:37 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>; from doug@eng.auburn.edu on Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 02:47:42PM -0600
References: <20000206205542.A11575@stopcontact.palga.uucp> <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <20000206220737.A12624@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Doug Hughes wrote on 949844862:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
> 
> > gzbigegg wrote on 949881941:
> > > Hi all,
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm new to this list, I'm going to try to persuade my system
> > administrator, but Rik van Riel doesn't seem to understand why
> > he should change Majordomo mailinglists to Mailman mailinglists :(
> > 
> 
> Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
> superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. We have both.
> Well, actually, we're transitioning all of the old majordomo
> lists to mailman. The list owner's, for one, are ecstatic about
> the functionality they can access easily through the web.

He hasn't really had a look at it, he thinks it's too much work (how
well does the convert script work? Any experiences?).

Although Mailman is certainly better, the majority (any stats?) of the
mailinglists are running Majordomo. Why is this? If this has been
asked before, please redirect me to the URL (any flames?).

Or should I ask on the Majordomo list? <g>

regards,
Gerrit.

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From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Sun Feb  6 22:14:31 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:14:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscribing to itself?
Message-ID: <20000206221431.A12730@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Hello,

a common test for a mailinglist manager is: what happens if a list
get subscribed to itself? Can Mailman handle that?

regards,
Gerrit.

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From doug at eng.auburn.edu  Sun Feb  6 22:23:30 2000
From: doug at eng.auburn.edu (Doug Hughes)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:23:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <20000206220737.A12624@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061519510.1087-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>

On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:

> Doug Hughes wrote on 949844862:
> > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
> > 
> > Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
> > superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. We have both.
> > Well, actually, we're transitioning all of the old majordomo
> > lists to mailman. The list owner's, for one, are ecstatic about
> > the functionality they can access easily through the web.
> 
> He hasn't really had a look at it, he thinks it's too much work (how
> well does the convert script work? Any experiences?).

I haven't used the convert script. I just take the list of persons
from the old list and paste them in the new list. Done.
I haven't actually done the archive conversion, but I understand
that it works reasonably well.

> 
> Although Mailman is certainly better, the majority (any stats?) of the
> mailinglists are running Majordomo. Why is this? If this has been
> asked before, please redirect me to the URL (any flames?).
> 
Because of momentum and notoriety. More people know about majordomo.
It's been around a lot longer. More people know Perl than know python
as well. Then again, more people feel the need to modify and extend
majordomo than do with mailman because just about everything you could
want is already there (with the possible exception of searchable
archive indices - but majordomo doesn't have that either)
Mailman has really only been around a little over a year (if you
consider the LISA '98 conference it's official broadband launch)

____________________________________________________________________________
Doug Hughes					Engineering Network Services
System/Net Admin  				Auburn University
			doug at eng.auburn.edu




From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Feb  7 01:01:30 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:01:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web 
In-Reply-To: Message from Doug Hughes <doug@eng.auburn.edu> 
   of "Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:47:42 CST." <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu> 
References: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu> 
Message-ID: <6001.949881690@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:47:42 -0600 (CST) 
Doug Hughes <doug at eng.auburn.edu> wrote:

> Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
> superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. 

With one (often) critical aspect missing: Majordomo has good support
for administrative control and configuration of a list via email
commands and MailMan doesn't.  In many cases that sole point is the
main deciding factor.

-- 
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From dinesh.raikar at neilsoft.com  Mon Feb  7 10:46:26 2000
From: dinesh.raikar at neilsoft.com (Dinesh Raikar)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:16:26 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using MAILMAN
Message-ID: <000901bf7150$337a5200$0b0300c0@geometry>

Dear All,

I would be grateful if anybody of you could help me using MAILMAN on the
Linux machine. We currently have my mail configured (SMTP / POP3) on Linux.
Currently we have our mail clients configured for sending and receiving our
mails. We would like to know if MAILMAN can help us to have a IMAP interface
for my current mail server. How do I install the same.

We will be grateful if you send us the necessary details at the earliest.

Thank You,

Regards,

Dinesh Raikar
Neilsoft Limited
Pune, INDIA
Phone: 5444 309 / 5430 749
Ext: 225
Pager:9612-517730




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Mon Feb  7 10:49:06 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:49:06 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disposing of broken archives....
Message-ID: <E12Hkn4-00064w-00@rioja.localnet>

Due to a mailman bug I have some broken archives on my system - 
specifically broken weekly ones with dates such as Week-of-20000200

I have removed their contents, and reinjected it so it now appears in 
the right archives.  However the broken week entries still appear in 
the archive table of contents - presumably because they are mentioned 
in the pipermail archive picked database.

How can I remove these entries?

[Rebuilding the archives from scratch is not an attractive option - I 
think I am missing some of the original mbox files from 6 years of 
archives :-( ]

	Nigel.
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From diablo at lt.com.ua  Mon Feb  7 11:04:10 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:04:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] we hit a bug
Message-ID: <19502.000207@lt.com.ua>

Hello MailMan,

  while access to the /mailman/edithtml i got this
=================
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/edithtml.py", line 49, in main
    path = os.environ['PATH_INFO']
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/UserDict.py", line 12, in __getitem__
    def __getitem__(self, key): return self.data[key]
KeyError: PATH_INFO
==================
what can i do?

-- 
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | Kherson, LT | 263119





From diablo at lt.com.ua  Mon Feb  7 11:07:36 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:07:36 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] we hit a bug #2
Message-ID: <9505.000207@lt.com.ua>

Hello MailMan,

  another problem, after going to /mailman/admin/<list>
  i got this error:
==============
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
    is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range
==============
how delete the bug?

-- 
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | Kherson, LT | 263119





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Feb  7 13:17:26 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:17:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] we hit a bug #2
In-Reply-To: <9505.000207@lt.com.ua>
References: <9505.000207@lt.com.ua>
Message-ID: <20000207071726.B31751@xcski.com>

Quoting Gelfandbein Boris (diablo at lt.com.ua):
> Hello MailMan,
> 
>   another problem, after going to /mailman/admin/<list>
>   i got this error:
> ==============
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
>     is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
>     return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
>     if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
> IndexError: string index out of range
> ==============
> how delete the bug?

Upgrade to a more recent version of Python.  I had this problem with the
Python RPM that came with RedHat Linux 6.0, but when I went to the RedHat ftp
site and grabbed python-1.5-2.7, it went away.


-- 
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From fricike at server.mjag.sulinet.hu  Mon Feb  7 13:13:00 2000
From: fricike at server.mjag.sulinet.hu (Kovacs Frigyes 11/C)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot listadmin passwd
Message-ID: <20000207131300.A12952@server.mjag.sulinet.hu>

Hello!

I think I forgot my list's admin password.
How can I change it manually or is there on ther way 
to get the passwd?

thanx : fricike

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From villa at reduniv.edu.cu  Mon Feb  7 13:50:55 2000
From: villa at reduniv.edu.cu (Jorge Villa)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman trouble
Message-ID: <007a01bf7169$f9201f80$0201a8c0@h.com>

Hi everybody:

I downloaded few days ago, the mailman-1.0 version from the SCO site and I downloaded also, Python software for SCO UNIX. I?ve tried to compile it in my SCO Openserver 5.04 system, and I?ve had troubles because the library libbsd.a is missing as reported by the log file for configure. I attach this file for your further examination. That library doesn?t come with the system, neither with the SCO Openserver Development System.

I?ve tried with the version 1.1 of Mailman, and I obtained the same results.

With this kind of error, I couldn?t compile well the software, neither using gmake in replacement of the standard make, and accordingly the list server doesn?t work. I?ve been tracking the network looking for that library for SCO UNIX and it?s missing. I?ve tried to use the library version that comes with and ATT UNIX version, and the one that come with RedHat Linux 6.0, but failed. Do you know where can I obtained this library for SCO Openserver 5 Systems or an equivalent? Have I to do any changes to my configure file to compile it?

Thanks in advance,
Jorge Villa

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From mats at laplaza.org  Mon Feb  7 14:49:30 2000
From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 06:49:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web 
In-Reply-To: <6001.949881690@kanga.nu>
References: <Message from Doug Hughes <doug@eng.auburn.edu>
 <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>
 <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000207064930.00eeee80@laplaza.org>

At 04:01 PM 02/06/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:47:42 -0600 (CST) 
>Doug Hughes <doug at eng.auburn.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
>> superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. 
>
>With one (often) critical aspect missing: Majordomo has good support
>for administrative control and configuration of a list via email
>commands and MailMan doesn't.  In many cases that sole point is the
>main deciding factor.

In my particular situation, where I'm penned to a small-town
ISP with no way to get my email other than long-distance dialup
when I'm traveling (25% of the time at least), it's a real
pain to either stay on-line to navigate through the web interface
to discard a bunch of spam attempts, or else try to go find a way 
to get onto the web by other means (hey, can I borrow your system 
for a while? I have to go get rid of some spam back in New Mexico...)
If it were my choice I wouldn't be using mailman now for this
very reason (I don't have a choice, however).

On the other hand, the web-based config for the _listmembers_ is
wonderful, they never used to be able to figure out what they
needed to send to majordomo before the lists were switched over.

Mats




From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no  Mon Feb  7 14:59:23 2000
From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland)
Date: 07 Feb 2000 14:59:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] feature requests
In-Reply-To: Christopher Kolar's message of "Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:10:51 -0500"
References: <99100109180002.09732@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <d6d900xcdvo.fsf@octarine.uio.no>

Yes, the message this is a reply to is pretty old by now -- I'm quite
some messages behind on -developers, not to mention -users :(

I'll try to get up to date (and stay there :) now...


[Christopher Kolar]

> While beating on the documentation a few things came to mind.
> 
> 1.  Any chance that the monthly reminder can be used by a bounce
> handler script as a membership probe (good for low-volume lists).
> Right now I just get N bounce messages as mailman-owner but I do not
> see that the list manager ever gets the information.

With the currently released Mailman, where only the list objects
themselves know which addresses are members, trying to implement
something like that would probably scale pretty badly.

However, here at uio.no, we've now been running a Mailman with a user
database -- mainly for avoiding the pains of having separate passwords
for separate mailing lists -- and I guess one could pull of something
like what you suggest with the help of the user db.


I'll try getting around to post some details about what (rather
substantial) changes I've made to our Mailman within the next few days
-- but for now, to -developers only, I guess.

> 2.  How about adding an "invite" feature like on some of the
> commercial list providers.  The invite would be non-binding, but a
> simple reply would add the person to the list (I suppose that it
> would use most of the same code that the sub-confirmation bits use).
> See listbot and egroups if you do not know what I am talking about.

This would just be a slightly differently worded "subscription
confirmation" message and something to avoid "open subscribes" turning
into "open invites", I guess.

> 3.  How about a chunk of html code that can be dropped into a web
> page that would allow a person to just type in their e-mail and
> click to make a sub request (also something that listbot/egroups
> do).

Mailman does, to my knowledge, not do any kind of Referer checking or
somesuch, so the only problem is the (current) need to enter a
subscription password when posting a sub request.  This _could_ be
hacked around in various (ugly) ways by generating this form
(dynamically, to avoid everyone having the same password) with HIDDEN
fields for passwords.

> The request could be handled like a normal sub request with a
> confirmation request being sent out to the e-mail address that was
> entered.  Is this already possible by hacking the listinfo page to
> remove everything but the field for e-mail address and the submit
> button?  I deal with a lot of novice users and I would like to take
> out a lot of the verbiage and the initial password setting.

How do others feel about this?  Should Mailman allow users subscribing
without explicitly setting their member password (and instead have
Mailman set a random password for them)?
-- 
Harald



From diablo at lt.com.ua  Mon Feb  7 15:20:50 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:20:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] we hit a bug #2
In-Reply-To: <20000207071726.B31751@xcski.com>
References: <20000207071726.B31751@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <15681.000207@lt.com.ua>

Hello Paul,

Monday, February 07, 2000, 2:17:26 PM, you wrote:

PT> Quoting Gelfandbein Boris (diablo at lt.com.ua):
>> Hello MailMan,
>> 
>>   another problem, after going to /mailman/admin/<list>
>>   i got this error:
>> ==============
>> Traceback (innermost last):
>>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>>     main()
>>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
>>     is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
>>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
>>     return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
>>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
>>     if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
>> IndexError: string index out of range
>> ==============
>> how delete the bug?

PT> Upgrade to a more recent version of Python.  I had this problem with the
PT> Python RPM that came with RedHat Linux 6.0, but when I went to the RedHat ftp
PT> site and grabbed python-1.5-2.7, it went away.

thanks!
u update python from 1.5.1 to 1.5.2 - & no another problem
at this time ;)
thanks!



-- 
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | Kherson, LT | 263119





From diablo at lt.com.ua  Mon Feb  7 16:10:29 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:10:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error decoding authorization cookie.
Message-ID: <14715.000207@lt.com.ua>

Hello MailMan,

i got this configuration:
MailMan 1.1, ksi-linux-2.2.2-ac5, apache1.3.6, python 1.5.2

  If i go to /mailman/admin/<list> on IE5.5 i got
  
  ---
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 103, in main
    is_auth = lst.WebAuthenticate(password=adminpw,
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 83, in WebAuthenticate
    return self.CheckCookie(cookie_key)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 117, in CheckCookie
    if cookiedata[keylen+1] <> '"' and cookiedata[-1] <> '"':
IndexError: string index out of range
  ----
  
  OR if i go to /mailman/admin/<list> on NN4.7 i got
  'Error decoding authorization cookie.'
  & all my configuration don't remember by mailman.
  
-- 
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | Kherson, LT | 263119





From diablo at lt.com.ua  Mon Feb  7 16:24:01 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:24:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error decoding authorization cookie.
Message-ID: <16725.000207@lt.com.ua>

Hello MailMan,

  I now test this erro on another machine on IE5.0
  i don't recieve any errors but any changes are cleaned after
  editing.

  any propositions?
  thanks!

-- 
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | Kherson, LT | 263119





From demian at csbs.utah.edu  Mon Feb  7 16:32:01 2000
From: demian at csbs.utah.edu (Demian Hanks)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 08:32:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] modifying pipermail's format?
Message-ID: <389EE571.8185A550@csbs.utah.edu>

In lieu of switching to hypermail or MHonArc is it
possible to modify the format of the indexes and webpages 
generated. I can't seem to find any documentation about this.
Am I missing something?

Thanks,

Demian



From lucile at alcove.fr  Mon Feb  7 17:13:13 2000
From: lucile at alcove.fr (Lucile Fievet)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:13:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list member only receiving message from the administrator
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0002071638300.2009-100000@leman.alcove-int>

Hello, 
I'd like to now if it is possible to configure a mailing list
in order that list member can not send messages to this list, 
but can only receive message from the administrator.

I guess, I could do it, with the privacy option, either :
with General posting  filters, ask approval for every post, but 
never accept any ;)
or with Spam-specific posting filters, hold posts with header value
matching all the list members..(expet admin ;)
or use forbidden_posters option, witch I didn't found..

But, it doesn't look very clean ..

Is there any options, to allow or not, posting from members ? 

Thanks,

lucile

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101 |o / o| 010   Email : lucile.fievet at alcove.fr
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      000      Site Web : http://www.alcove.fr




From jread at semiotek.com  Mon Feb  7 17:48:22 2000
From: jread at semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:48:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] excessive bounces in mailman 1.1
Message-ID: <20000207114822.B28447@semiotek.com>

I have a medium sized list with fairly high volume. I am seeing a huge 
number of bounces coming back to admin which I would rather not see. 

Basically this is qmail, exim, and postfix not being handled by mailman 1.1
as has been mentioned on this list. Also I'm running postfix myself so some
of the bounces are generated by my own list software. 

What's the fix? Is there some patch I can install into 1.1 that will 
solve this problem? Or if it's solved in 1.2, is 1.2 usable now?

Justin




From jerry at scoregroup.com  Mon Feb  7 20:55:32 2000
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:55:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding E-mail address in message headers?
Message-ID: <NDBBJKMNEKAHLOEDNFLBGEBDCBAA.jerry@scoregroup.com>

Does anybody have a list of variables that can be used in the headers of
messages. I need to put the members' e-mail address into the e-mail that
they receive.

Thank You,
Jerry Thomas




From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Mon Feb  7 21:54:26 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:54:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Majordomo simultaneously?
Message-ID: <20000207215426.A13132@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Hello,

does anyone know wheter it's possible to run Mailman and Majordomo
lists beside each other? We have about twenty mail adminstrators on
our server, and I want to give them some time to switch to Mailman.

Does anyone have experiences with this?

regards,
Gerrit.

P.S.
I seem to have misunderstood my system administrator in the other
post - please don't get wrong thought about Rik van Riel, he's a
very well system administrator. 

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From c.davis at actrix.gen.nz  Mon Feb  7 22:04:03 2000
From: c.davis at actrix.gen.nz (Christine Davis)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:04:03 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Year Out Of Range Error - How To Fix ?
Message-ID: <00f501bf71ae$dd54e5c0$641560cb@solomon.actrix.gen.nz>

I've been importing archives into mailman from majordomo archives, and got
this error with one of the files.  The dates in the message headers look
fine (with valid dates); and all of the other files imported across just
fine.

I notice that there has been the occasional message posted here,  but no
followups.

Is anybody able to shed any light on how to get this working?

Cheers,
Christine



Processing article #2454 into archives ['2000-January']
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/local/mailman/bin/arch", line 114, in ?
    main()
  File "/local/mailman/bin/arch", line 103, in main
    archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, Article)
  File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 385, in
processUnixMailbox
    a=articleClass(m, self.sequence) # Create an article object
  File "/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 242, in __init__
    date=time.mktime(date)-tzoffset
ValueError: year out of range (00-99, 1900-*)




From rullfig at uchicago.edu  Mon Feb  7 22:03:53 2000
From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:03:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
References: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <389F3339.8533DDFA@uchicago.edu>

Doug Hughes wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
> 
> > gzbigegg wrote on 949881941:
> > > Hi all,
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm new to this list, I'm going to try to persuade my system
> > administrator, but Rik van Riel doesn't seem to understand why
> > he should change Majordomo mailinglists to Mailman mailinglists :(
> >
> 
> Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
> superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. We have both.
> Well, actually, we're transitioning all of the old majordomo
> lists to mailman. The list owner's, for one, are ecstatic about
> the functionality they can access easily through the web.

While mailman is very good; there are a couple of features that
majordomo has that mailman doesn't which are major sticking
points for a couple of our list owners. Mailman cannot do the
following:

1. Set a Reply-To field for a particular message let alone a
default for the entire list.

2. Edit member's outgoing messages in a moderated list.

--
Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu
Systems Administrator
Networking Services and Information Technologies
University of Chicago



From rullfig at uchicago.edu  Mon Feb  7 22:07:25 2000
From: rullfig at uchicago.edu (Roberto Ullfig)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:07:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Majordomo simultaneously?
References: <20000207215426.A13132@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <389F340D.7983E0EF@uchicago.edu>

Gerrit Holl wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> does anyone know wheter it's possible to run Mailman and Majordomo
> lists beside each other? We have about twenty mail adminstrators on
> our server, and I want to give them some time to switch to Mailman.
> 
> Does anyone have experiences with this?
> 

We've been running majordomo on one machine and mailman on
another; but I don't see why there'd be any problem running both
on one system. They work independently of each other.

--
Roberto Ullfig : rullfig at uchicago.edu
Systems Administrator
Networking Services and Information Technologies
University of Chicago



From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Mon Feb  7 22:06:31 2000
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 15:06:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + Majordomo simultaneously?
In-Reply-To: <20000207215426.A13132@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002071457580.14203-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

Hi Gerrit,

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
> does anyone know wheter it's possible to run Mailman and Majordomo
> lists beside each other? We have about twenty mail adminstrators on
> our server, and I want to give them some time to switch to Mailman.
> Does anyone have experiences with this?

     Yes, it tends to work very well. I've been running both for some time
now on a Linux box.  The only big issue you have to watch out for,
assuming you run SendMail as your MTA, is the conflicting "wrapper"
programs of Mailman and Majordomo.  You'll have to rename one of them and
adjust all aliases that call it accordingly.  As for converting between
the two, that's a bit more complicated...

						~ Rick ~
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From ptomblin at xcski.com  Mon Feb  7 22:21:20 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <389F3339.8533DDFA@uchicago.edu>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu> <389F3339.8533DDFA@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <20000207162120.B17022@xcski.com>

Quoting Roberto Ullfig (rullfig at uchicago.edu):
> While mailman is very good; there are a couple of features that
> majordomo has that mailman doesn't which are major sticking
> points for a couple of our list owners. Mailman cannot do the
> following:
> 
> 1. Set a Reply-To field for a particular message let alone a
> default for the entire list.
> 
> 2. Edit member's outgoing messages in a moderated list.

3. Use a list of "approved posters" that is shared between multiple lists.  I
have a bunch of related lists where the same group of people subscribe and
unsubscribe from the sub-lists by category.  In majordomo, I just put all
their various email addresses in one big file and pointed the "allow posts by"
config variable for all of the lists to the same big file.  In Mailman I have
to enter the same list in the web form for all the sub-lists.


-- 
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"I find your lack of clue...disturbing" - Sithadmin Vader.
SETI at Home: http://www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
Me: http://xcski.com/~ptomblin/



From Antal at NederWeb.com  Tue Feb  8 00:14:21 2000
From: Antal at NederWeb.com (Antal)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 00:14:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP, Admin Pages don't work, on a transferred system.
Message-ID: <NDBBIJGGALMNCNPFKNKIOEGPDLAA.Antal@NederWeb.com>

Hi,

I've been using mailman for a few months now, and i really like it for
its user friendlines, but the first i really had trouble installing it,
and now I have to transfer it to another system, which didn't worked.

Now I've installed it on an RH6.1 system, (mailman 1.1), and now
the admin pages don't work.

The URL i use to access the admin pages is the same as BASE_URL in
both mm_cfg.py as well as what I see in the admin pages.

WHen I access the admin pages, and change some values and options, and after
hitting the
"submit your changes" button, i return to the initial login/password screen,
and after typing the password, and getting into the admin pages again, there
is nothing left of my changes. Nothing has changed.

The problem is not my browser, because when i go to the old server, and
changing something,
changes are applied.

For days I am trying to get the lists migrated, and after stumbling on
several problems,
mailer error 1, mailer error 2, host not found errors, Mailman Bugs, I am
getting really tired,
So could someone Please help me with this one???



Met vriendelijke groet,
Antal Mittendorff.
Manager Internet Services Lettrix
"I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they aren't watching me"




From stever at seawingsub.com  Tue Feb  8 00:25:04 2000
From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP, Admin Pages don't work, on a transferred 
 system.
References: <NDBBIJGGALMNCNPFKNKIOEGPDLAA.Antal@NederWeb.com>
Message-ID: <389F5450.BF429991@seawingsub.com>

I experienced a similar problem (admin pages didn't save anything and
always asked for password).

mailman sets cookies that are good for 2 hours. make sure the timezone
is set properly on your new system and make sure the time is right.



Antal wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been using mailman for a few months now, and i really like it for
> its user friendlines, but the first i really had trouble installing it,
> and now I have to transfer it to another system, which didn't worked.
> 
> Now I've installed it on an RH6.1 system, (mailman 1.1), and now
> the admin pages don't work.
> 
> The URL i use to access the admin pages is the same as BASE_URL in
> both mm_cfg.py as well as what I see in the admin pages.
> 
> WHen I access the admin pages, and change some values and options, and after
> hitting the
> "submit your changes" button, i return to the initial login/password screen,
> and after typing the password, and getting into the admin pages again, there
> is nothing left of my changes. Nothing has changed.
> 
> The problem is not my browser, because when i go to the old server, and
> changing something,
> changes are applied.
> 
> For days I am trying to get the lists migrated, and after stumbling on
> several problems,
> mailer error 1, mailer error 2, host not found errors, Mailman Bugs, I am
> getting really tired,
> So could someone Please help me with this one???
> 
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> Antal Mittendorff.
> Manager Internet Services Lettrix
> "I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean they aren't watching me"
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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From jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu  Tue Feb  8 01:53:21 2000
From: jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu (Joan Coyne)
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:53:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman on an Virtual Host
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000207195320.0099c180@pop.ne.mediaone.net>

I would like to install Mailman, but I don't have root access to my server,
only shell access.  I am using an iServer Virtual Server.  Is there anyway
to get around the need for root access?  Does mailman have to run as its
own user and group?

Thanks,
Joan Coyne



From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Tue Feb  8 07:46:50 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:46:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman on an Virtual Host
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000207195320.0099c180@pop.ne.mediaone.net>; from jmcoyne@alum.mit.edu on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 07:53:21PM -0500
References: <3.0.32.20000207195320.0099c180@pop.ne.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <20000208074650.A1463@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Joan Coyne wrote on 949949601:
> I would like to install Mailman, but I don't have root access to my server,
> only shell access.  I am using an iServer Virtual Server.  Is there anyway
> to get around the need for root access?  Does mailman have to run as its
> own user and group?

You can specify any user id Mailman needs to run on, but what you'll
certainly need is access to /cgi-bin and access to the aliases file.
The latter is probably only writable for root. This is a fundamental
problem, because Mailmans cgi-script need to be in a directory with a
Apache ScriptAlias option and without the aliases file you can't make
a mailinglist.

regards,
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From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Tue Feb  8 16:03:17 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:03:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061519510.1087-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>; from doug@eng.auburn.edu on Sun, Feb 06, 2000 at 03:23:30PM -0600
References: <20000206220737.A12624@stopcontact.palga.uucp> <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061519510.1087-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu>
Message-ID: <20000208160317.A3570@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Doug Hughes wrote on 949847010:
> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
> > Doug Hughes wrote on 949844862:
> > > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
> > > 
> > > Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
> > > superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. We have both.
> > > Well, actually, we're transitioning all of the old majordomo
> > > lists to mailman. The list owner's, for one, are ecstatic about
> > > the functionality they can access easily through the web.
> > 
> > He hasn't really had a look at it, he thinks it's too much work (how
> > well does the convert script work? Any experiences?).
> 
> I haven't used the convert script. I just take the list of persons
> from the old list and paste them in the new list. Done.
> I haven't actually done the archive conversion, but I understand
> that it works reasonably well.

You forget the configuration!
Every member has its own configuration details; they should stay the same!

regards,
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From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU  Tue Feb  8 17:58:37 2000
From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:58:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web 
In-Reply-To: <20000208160317.A3570@stopcontact.palga.uucp> 
Message-ID: <doug-1000208105837.AD611776@netman>


>Doug Hughes wrote on 949847010:
>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
>> > Doug Hughes wrote on 949844862:
>> > > On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > Oy! Has this person actually LOOKED at mailman? It's vastly
>> > > superior to majordomo in nearly every respect. We have both.
>> > > Well, actually, we're transitioning all of the old majordomo
>> > > lists to mailman. The list owner's, for one, are ecstatic about
>> > > the functionality they can access easily through the web.
>> > 
>> > He hasn't really had a look at it, he thinks it's too much work (how
>> > well does the convert script work? Any experiences?).
>> 
>> I haven't used the convert script. I just take the list of persons
>> from the old list and paste them in the new list. Done.
>> I haven't actually done the archive conversion, but I understand
>> that it works reasonably well.
>
>You forget the configuration!
>Every member has its own configuration details; they should stay the same!
>

Well, for us at least, this wasn't an issue, because people
really didn't use these configurations in practice. 99.9% of
the people just subscribe to the list and that's it.
Perhaps your site is different.





From nick at zork.net  Tue Feb  8 18:05:00 2000
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:05:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman on an Virtual Host
In-Reply-To: <20000208074650.A1463@stopcontact.palga.uucp>; from gerrit.holl@pobox.com on Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 07:46:50AM +0100
References: <3.0.32.20000207195320.0099c180@pop.ne.mediaone.net> <20000208074650.A1463@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <20000208090500.A1873@zork.net>

begin  Gerrit Holl quotation:
> Joan Coyne wrote on 949949601:
> > I would like to install Mailman, but I don't have root access to
> > my server, only shell access.  I am using an iServer Virtual
> > Server.  Is there anyway to get around the need for root access?
> > Does mailman have to run as its own user and group?
> 
> You can specify any user id Mailman needs to run on, but what you'll
> certainly need is access to /cgi-bin and access to the aliases file.
> The latter is probably only writable for root. This is a fundamental
> problem, because Mailmans cgi-script need to be in a directory with
> a Apache ScriptAlias option and without the aliases file you can't
> make a mailinglist.

	Actually, the aliases file problem could be solved with
procmail and the heavy use of plus-addressing.

	He will, of course, need to have a cgi-capable directory to
use.  If cgi is allowed on his public_html, it may be possible to
define all of the mailman configuration to work with it.

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From metcas at gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com  Tue Feb  8 18:40:54 2000
From: metcas at gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com (Steve Metcalfe)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:40:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administering Question - large attachments
References: <20000208170011.39D431CD46@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <38A05525.E0E86C77@gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com>

I use Mailman v 1.1 under Solaris 2.6 to manage a helpdesk.

Requests for assistance are emailed by users to the mail list and then
archived and forwarded to the helpdesk staff (subscribers to the mail
list)

In some instances large attachments are present which trigger an
administrative request via the file size limit.

I would like to be able to pass the body of the email on to the
subscribers without the attachments but the complete incoming mail
should be archived.
Ideally I would like a 4th option in the

'Administrative requests for ????? mailing list '

page to allow for an edit function.

Before I go ahead an suggest an enhancement has anyone any suggestions
as to how I could do this with the current version?

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From gzbigegg at 21cn.com  Tue Feb  8 19:08:37 2000
From: gzbigegg at 21cn.com (gzbigegg)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:08:37 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10002061434210.10628-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <005001bf7260$9c11c3a0$0201a8c0@bigass>

I did search the archives and found your solution. But still have some problems:

>>can be done similarly for sendmail...
>>
>>- as mailman admin user
>>cd ~mailman
>>touch aliases aliases.dir aliases.pag
>>
>>- as root
>>cd ~mailman
>>chown root aliases.dir aliases.pag
>>edit /etc/mail/sendmail.cf and add a line like:
>>O AliasFile=dbm:/home/mailman/aliases
>>
>>then, to create list, as mailman admin user:
>>
>>cd ~mailman
>>./bin/newlist listname owner-email-address password 1 | tail +4 > aliases
>>newaliases
when I execute this as mailman, the following error occurs:
/etc/sendmail.cf: line 174: setalias: unknown alias class dbm

so I strip off the 'dbm:' in the sendmail.cf file, the output of newaliases is:
/etc/aliases: 16 aliases, longest 17 bytes, 196 bytes total
WARNING: Group writable directory /home/mailman
newaliases: cannot open /home/mailman/aliases: Group writable file

then I chmod g-w aliases, the output is:
/etc/aliases: 16 aliases, longest 17 bytes, 196 bytes total
WARNING: Group writable directory /home/mailman
hash map "Alias1": unsafe map file /home/mailman/aliases.db: Group writable dire
ctory
WARNING: cannot open alias database /home/mailman/aliases
Cannot create database for alias file /home/mailman/aliases

What's wrong? It may be very simple to an sendmail expert or unix guru, but unfortunately I'm not in these 2 categories. This problem really drives me crazy!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Todd Pfaff <pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
To: gzbigegg <gzbigegg at 21cn.com>
Cc: <Mailman-Users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 3:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web


search the mailman list archives for a solution to this problem which i
posted a while back.  search for 'sendmail, 'aliases' and my name and you
should be able to find it.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, gzbigegg wrote:

> hi all,
> 
> I want to let the user add their own list through web interface, I set the user id who runs the apache web server to mailman, and re-write the 'newlist' function to create a new list using the parameters got from a web form.
> 
> The 'newlist' function works, I found the new list's name under the lists directory. But my problem is how to append the new aliases to the '/etc/aliases' file, and run newaliases command. All these tasks need the root uid, which I cannot get as mailman user.
> 
> I tried to chmod the /etc/aliases to the group writable or even world writable, but newaliases refuses to execute after then. Is there any work around to this problem? Or I have to add the new aliases mannually?
> 
> Thanks.
> Liu Yan
> 
> ????????????????????????????????????????????z?j)e??1e??R??r?'?????????+??Y?????j)fj??
> 

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From aggarwal at dti.net  Tue Feb  8 19:16:09 2000
From: aggarwal at dti.net (Samir Aggarwal)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:16:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing admin requests
Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.20.0002081314480.9538-100000@schwing.slack.net>

Hello, 
Someone has sent a huge file to the mailing list, and it has been held.

i am trying to delete it from the admin request page, but i keep getting
an error msg, that there is an end of script error.

is there a manual way of doing this?

Thanks,
Samir





From alex at phred.org  Tue Feb  8 19:28:14 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:28:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administering Question - large attachments
References: <20000208170011.39D431CD46@dinsdale.python.org> <38A05525.E0E86C77@gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com>
Message-ID: <076301bf7262$441ce8d0$01fa3b9d@AWETMOREDEV>

From: "Steve Metcalfe" <metcas at gatwick.geco-prakla.slb.com>
> I use Mailman v 1.1 under Solaris 2.6 to manage a helpdesk.
>
> Requests for assistance are emailed by users to the mail list and then
> archived and forwarded to the helpdesk staff (subscribers to the mail
> list)
>
> In some instances large attachments are present which trigger an
> administrative request via the file size limit.
>
> I would like to be able to pass the body of the email on to the
> subscribers without the attachments but the complete incoming mail
> should be archived.
> Ideally I would like a 4th option in the
>
> 'Administrative requests for ????? mailing list '
>
> page to allow for an edit function.
>
> Before I go ahead an suggest an enhancement has anyone any suggestions
> as to how I could do this with the current version?

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl is a small Perl script that I've
written to strip attachments from MIME messages.  It is currently
alpha-level code, but it is running on my production mail server.  It
doesn't have a way to save mail before stripping it, but that would be
pretty easy to add.  The large commented out block towards the end is
designed to wrap long lines, but is pretty buggy (causes my perl to
coredump) and I haven't had time to work on it, so it is disabled.

Installation is simple.  In your /etc/aliases insert this before the wrapper
program.  As an example the entries for my touring list are:
touring:
"|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr2/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post touring"
touring-admin:           "|/usr2/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
touring"
touring-request:         "|/usr2/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd touring"
owner-touring:           touring-admin
touring-owner:           touring-admin

I would love to see something like this built into Mailman, but for now my
script is working quite well.

alex




From nick at zork.net  Tue Feb  8 19:42:57 2000
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:42:57 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000207064930.00eeee80@laplaza.org>; from mats@laplaza.org on Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 06:49:30AM -0700
References: <Message <doug@eng.auburn.edu> <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu> <Pine.SOL.4.10.10002061446110.1039-100000@nexus.eng.auburn.edu> <6001.949881690@kanga.nu> <3.0.6.32.20000207064930.00eeee80@laplaza.org>
Message-ID: <20000208104257.C1873@zork.net>

begin  Mats Wichmann quotation:
> In my particular situation, where I'm penned to a small-town ISP
> with no way to get my email other than long-distance dialup when I'm
> traveling (25% of the time at least), it's a real pain to either
> stay on-line to navigate through the web interface to discard a
> bunch of spam attempts, or else try to go find a way to get onto the
> web by other means (hey, can I borrow your system for a while? I
> have to go get rid of some spam back in New Mexico...) If it were my
> choice I wouldn't be using mailman now for this very reason (I don't
> have a choice, however).

	I've gotta' say, this does piss me off.  

	It wouldn't be so bad, but mailman is always choking on
the Sender: header, and some of my users are sending from DHCP clients
that change DAILY.  I have to constantly bring up lynx and approve all
the messages.  I wouldn't complain so much if it were just my
administrative filters that were causing this, but it's an overzealous
mailman saying "You're not a member of this list!"

> On the other hand, the web-based config for the _listmembers_ is
> wonderful, they never used to be able to figure out what they
> needed to send to majordomo before the lists were switched over.

	Agreed.  There are users of my lists that can now do things
that I never would have been able to configure with a certain non-free
Perl-based castellan-type program.

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From secabeen at pobox.com  Tue Feb  8 20:35:11 2000
From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 13:35:11 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:42:57 PST."
             <20000208104257.C1873@zork.net> 
Message-ID: <200002081935.NAA18006@entropy.uchicago.edu>

In message <20000208104257.C1873 at zork.net>, Nick Moffitt writes:
>	It wouldn't be so bad, but mailman is always choking on
>the Sender: header, and some of my users are sending from DHCP clients
>that change DAILY.  I have to constantly bring up lynx and approve all
>the messages.  I wouldn't complain so much if it were just my
>administrative filters that were causing this, but it's an overzealous
>mailman saying "You're not a member of this list!"

I wrote up a patch to check the From field before the Sender a few weeks
ago.  Check the mailman-developers archive.  It should be there.

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From yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au  Wed Feb  9 01:35:46 2000
From: yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au (Chris Albone)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:35:46 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error decoding authorization cookie.
References: <16725.000207@lt.com.ua>
Message-ID: <38A0B662.C5166A14@gmp.usyd.edu.au>

Gelfandbein Boris wrote:

> Hello MailMan,
>
>   I now test this erro on another machine on IE5.0
>   i don't recieve any errors but any changes are cleaned after
>   editing.

Yah... its likely to do with the way that your browser handles
cookies...

Also, I found that we were getting problems like this when people were
accessing the admin pages through a proxy array. The problem was that
every request could potentially come from a different ip address. The
cookie that is set depends on the ip of the initial request for its
value. If the next request comes through a different proxy, then the
cookie will be incorrect..



>
>
>   any propositions?
>   thanks!
>
> --
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From gzbigegg at 21cn.com  Wed Feb  9 07:14:54 2000
From: gzbigegg at 21cn.com (gzbigegg)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:14:54 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted post
Message-ID: <008101bf72c5$6a6fd160$0201a8c0@bigass>

hi all,

I created a list for public subscribtion, but only a few users can post to the list, the rest of subscribers can only receive postings.

I do it by setting the 'Privacy Options':
General posting filters:
-- Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes
-- Restrict posting privilege to list members? No
-- Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement. foo at foo.com

So only the foo at foo.com can post to this list without approval from list admin.

Q1: Is this setting correct for restrcting postings? Any extra setting needed?
Q2: I'm considering using a password to verify the user who has privilege to post to the list. That is, foo at foo.com must provide a valid password before he sucessfully post to the list. Is this feature included in the current mailman? What to do if I have to implement it by myself?

TIA,
Liu Yan


From webmaster at planetphat.com  Wed Feb  9 08:11:24 2000
From: webmaster at planetphat.com (Jamie Krasnoo)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:11:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted post
In-Reply-To: <008101bf72c5$6a6fd160$0201a8c0@bigass>
Message-ID: <HGEKLLBHDPGHIOLEDMPGAENNCDAA.webmaster@planetphat.com>

Hrmn, I would put them both on.
-- Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes
-- Restrict posting privilege to list members? Yes
-- Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
approval requirement.
foo at foo.com

That way, any post that come in from foo at foo.com and any other members of
foo.com ( I realy wish we could use wild cards)
would pass through. Perhaps this could go on the wish list.

Jamie
-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of gzbigegg
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 10:15 PM
To: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted post


hi all,

I created a list for public subscribtion, but only a few users can post to
the list, the rest of subscribers can only receive postings.

I do it by setting the 'Privacy Options':
General posting filters:
-- Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes
-- Restrict posting privilege to list members? No
-- Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
approval requirement. foo at foo.com

So only the foo at foo.com can post to this list without approval from list
admin.

Q1: Is this setting correct for restrcting postings? Any extra setting
needed?
Q2: I'm considering using a password to verify the user who has privilege to
post to the list. That is, foo at foo.com must provide a valid password before
he sucessfully post to the list. Is this feature included in the current
mailman? What to do if I have to implement it by myself?

TIA,
Liu Yan

??????????????????????????????????????????Y???z?j)e???1?????R????r?'?????i???????h??+????Y??
?b???~??j)fj????




From richarde at eskom.co.za  Wed Feb  9 13:51:47 2000
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:51:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal server error using admin page
Message-ID: <s8a17f0f.009@eskom.co.za>

This afternoon I looked at mailman for the first time in a couple of months. Everything has been working without any problems. I created a couple of new lists from the command line, after which I cannot use the admin pages anymore. I get an Internal server error (see below). Mailman does not give a traceback and nothing in the error log. All the rest of mailman works just fine - I can send, subscribe and the user pages work too. I can even subscribe from the web. Just the admin pages are broken.

I ran check_db and check_perms, nothing. Currently using mailman 1.1 on Redat 5.2, Apache 1.3.4 and Python 1.5.1. Only reason that I have not gone to 1.2 CVS is that there is no RPM available for 1.5.2 of Python and I could not get it to compile on Redhat 5.2

Any ideas?

*** cut ***

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

*** cut ***

httpd: [Wed Feb  9 14:45:14 2000] [error] [client 147.110.52.254] Premature end
of script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin


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From richarde at eskom.co.za  Wed Feb  9 14:01:12 2000
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:01:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internal server error using admin page - fixed
Message-ID: <s8a1813c.090@eskom.co.za>

Ok, I managed to fix the problem - appears that the mailman cookie just mysteriously went corrupt. I deleted the cookie from Netscapes cookie.txt file and all looks fine again. Whew, that was close.

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From th at nextel.no  Wed Feb  9 15:00:54 2000
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:00:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error
Message-ID: <20000209150054.C26111@nextel.no>

Hi,

I'm running 1.0, and I suddenly received this bounce to one of my lists (see
below).

The strange thing was that I sent an email to the list after looking (but
not touching) at the various files, and it did not bounce.

Any idea what this could be?

Best regards,

Tor Houghton

------ |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spies ------

IOError writing outgoing queue
        exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')
IOError writing outgoing queue
        exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')
IOError writing outgoing queue
        exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')
Traceback (innermost last):
Traceback (innermost last):
Traceback (innermost last):
IOError writing outgoing queue
        exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 58, in ?
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 58, in ?
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 58, in ?
Traceback (innermost last):
IOError writing outgoing queue
        exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')
              File "/home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 58, in ?
Traceback (innermost last):
queue_id = OutgoingQueue.enqueueMessage(from_addr, to_addrs, text)
queue_id = OutgoingQueue.enqueueMessage(from_addr, to_addrs, text)
queue_id = OutgoingQueue.enqueueMessage(from_addr, to_addrs, text)
      File "/home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport", line 58, in ?
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 155, in enqueueMessage
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 155, in enqueueMessage
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 155, in enqueueMessage
queue_id = OutgoingQueue.enqueueMessage(from_addr, to_addrs, text)
    queue_id = OutgoingQueue.enqueueMessage(from_addr, to_addrs, text)
        f = Utils.open_ex(fname, "a+", -1, QF_MODE | stat.S_ISUID)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
    f = Utils.open_ex(fname, "a+", -1, QF_MODE | stat.S_ISUID)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 155, in enqueueMessage
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 155, in enqueueMessage
f = Utils.open_ex(fname, "a+", -1, QF_MODE | stat.S_ISUID)
        f = Utils.open_ex(fname, "a+", -1, QF_MODE | stat.S_ISUID)
f = Utils.open_ex(fname, "a+", -1, QF_MODE | stat.S_ISUID)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
    reraise(IOError, e)
            reraise(IOError, e)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
reraise(IOError, e)
reraise(IOError, e)
reraise(IOError, e)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
      File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
    fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
    fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOErrorfd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
    IOError: IOErrorfd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
    : (13, 'Permission denied'): IOErrorfd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
(13, 'Permission denied')
(13, 'Permission denied'):

(13, 'Permission denied')IOError
: (13, 'Permission denied')
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 213, in
ArchiveMail
    h.processUnixMailbox(f, HyperArch.Article)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 381, in
+processUnixMailbox
    self.add_article(a)         # Add the article
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperArch.py", line 818, in
add_article
    f=open(archivetextfile, 'a+')
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
    reraise(IOError, e)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
    fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')




From lucile.fievet at alcove.fr  Wed Feb  9 17:55:19 2000
From: lucile.fievet at alcove.fr (Lucile Fievet)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:55:19 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted post
In-Reply-To: <HGEKLLBHDPGHIOLEDMPGAENNCDAA.webmaster@planetphat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0002091728340.12768-100000@leman.alcove-int>

On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Jamie Krasnoo wrote:

I thought that if you put 
"Restrict posting privilege to list members" Yes 
they would not have to be approved any more; 
and then could post...

What about the anti-spam solution, and put all user that are not
allowed to post in the spamer list ?


lucile

P.S. I'd like some options for user, in the wish list ;) 
	mute	Yes/No
	blind	Yes/No
	

> Hrmn, I would put them both on.
> -- Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes
> -- Restrict posting privilege to list members? Yes
> -- Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
> approval requirement.
> foo at foo.com
> 
> That way, any post that come in from foo at foo.com and any other members of
> foo.com ( I realy wish we could use wild cards)
> would pass through. Perhaps this could go on the wish list.
> 

First solution
> 
> I do it by setting the 'Privacy Options':
> General posting filters:
> -- Must posts be approved by an administrator? Yes
> -- Restrict posting privilege to list members? No
> -- Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list without implicit
> approval requirement. foo at foo.com

      111      Lucile Fievet 
 110 /  ,-.011   Ing?nieur en Informatique Libre
101 |o / o| 010   Email : lucile.fievet at alcove.fr
 100`-'__/ 001   Alc?ve - L'informatique est libre 
      000      Site Web : http://www.alcove.fr




From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Wed Feb  9 16:50:59 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:50:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error
In-Reply-To: <20000209150054.C26111@nextel.no>; from th@nextel.no on Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 03:00:54PM +0100
References: <20000209150054.C26111@nextel.no>
Message-ID: <20000209165059.A1265@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Tor Houghton wrote on 950104854:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm running 1.0, and I suddenly received this bounce to one of my lists (see
> below).
> 
> The strange thing was that I sent an email to the list after looking (but
> not touching) at the various files, and it did not bounce.
> 
> Any idea what this could be?
> 
> IOError writing outgoing queue
>         exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')
> IOError writing outgoing queue
>         exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')
> IOError writing outgoing queue
>         exceptions.IOError/(13, 'Permission denied')

Are you sure the permissions are allright?
Run the bin/check-perms script, please.

regards,
Gerrit.

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From dpk at egr.msu.edu  Wed Feb  9 19:31:39 2000
From: dpk at egr.msu.edu (Dpk)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:31:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 1.1: IOError
Message-ID: <20000209133139.N25738@egr.msu.edu>

I am running Solaris 2.6 w/apache 1.3.9.  I receive the following
error message when attempting to access the web page for my test list:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/optd/mail/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
    logger = StampedLogger('error',
  File "../Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in __init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "../Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "../Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "../Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')

I assume this is a ownership/permissions problem, but check_perms does
not indicate any error.  I have searched the archives and have found
similiar or the same error, but no followup to them.  Likewise,
sending e-mail to test-request results in a permission denied error.

A web page or document that provides insight would be much
appreciated.  I hope to convert to mailman soon as it seems to be the
feature-rich mail list solution Engineering could use.

PS: Please CC or send replies directly to me as I am not subscribed to
the list. (not yet at least)

Thanks.
Dennis Kelly                    
Network Administrator           
College of Engineering          
Michigan State University



From fw at deneb.cygnus.argh.org  Wed Feb  9 08:12:03 2000
From: fw at deneb.cygnus.argh.org (Florian Weimer)
Date: 09 Feb 2000 08:12:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Add new list through web
In-Reply-To: "gzbigegg"'s message of "Mon, 7 Feb 2000 01:05:41 +0800"
References: <000901bf70cc$626cccc0$0201a8c0@bigass>
Message-ID: <87900u7su4.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org>

"gzbigegg" <gzbigegg at 21cn.com> writes:

[...]

> ZCB3cml0YWJsZSwgYnV0IG5ld2FsaWFzZXMgcmVmdXNlcyB0byBleGVjdXRlIGFmdGVyIHRoZW4u
> IElzIHRoZXJlIGFueSB3b3JrIGFyb3VuZCB0byB0aGlzIHByb2JsZW0/IE9yIEkgaGF2ZSB0byBh
> ZGQgdGhlIG5ldyBhbGlhc2VzIG1hbm51YWxseT8NCg0KVGhhbmtzLg0KTGl1IFlhbg0KDQo=
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

This seems to be a bug in Mailman.  After adding the signature, the
body is no longer a valid MIME part encoded in base64. :-(




From nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu  Wed Feb  9 22:17:09 2000
From: nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu (Nicholas Brenckle)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:17:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with new install
Message-ID: <38A1D955.9456AA1@yale.edu>

Hi All!

Just installed Mailman 1.1 on a new Mandrake Linux box and got this
error. Other pages work (mailman/listinfo/test,  pipermail/test) and
mailman/admin will list my test list but clicking on the link will bring
up this error. I double checked all my permissions and they seem right.

-Nick

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nicholas Brenckle                   Yale University School of Medicine
nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu                     ITS Med - PO Box 208089
203-737-2377                                  New Haven, CT 06520-8089

Bug in Mailman version 1.1

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of
what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "../Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "../Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted





Environment variables:

 Variable
                           Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT
                           /home/httpd/html
 SERVER_ADDR
                           130.132.230.169
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
                           gzip
 SERVER_PORT
                           80
 PATH_TRANSLATED
                           /home/httpd/html/test
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE
                           CGI/1.1
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
                           en
 REMOTE_ADDR
                           130.132.230.167
 SERVER_NAME
                           net230-169.med.yale.edu
 HTTP_CONNECTION
                           Keep-Alive
 HTTP_USER_AGENT
                           Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; U)
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET
                           iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
 HTTP_ACCEPT
                           image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
 REQUEST_URI
                           /mailman/admin/test
 PATH
                           /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
 QUERY_STRING
 SCRIPT_FILENAME
                           /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
 PATH_INFO
                           /test
 HTTP_HOST
                           net230-169.med.yale.edu
 REQUEST_METHOD
                           GET
 SERVER_SIGNATURE
 SCRIPT_NAME
                           /mailman/admin
 SERVER_ADMIN
                           root at localhost
 SERVER_SOFTWARE
                           Apache/1.3.9 (NetRevolution Advanced Extranet
Server/Linux-Mandrake) PHP/3.0.13
                           mod_perl/1.21
 PYTHONPATH
                           /home/mailman
 SERVER_PROTOCOL
                           HTTP/1.0
 REMOTE_PORT
                           1753






From carl at nasal.org  Thu Feb 10 03:04:02 2000
From: carl at nasal.org (Carl M. Nasal II)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 21:04:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Mail Sending Problem
Message-ID: <XFMail.000209210402.carl@nasal.org>

I've recently installed Mailman, but have had one problem:  it does not seem to
want to send out e-mail.  I think it may have to do with the wrapper, but I
can't figure out what's wrong.  Whenever Mailman tries to send to the owner or
back to the list, my /var/log/maillog shows the following:
Feb  9 20:54:38 erwin sendmail[12923]: UAA12922:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner fte-committee", delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error   

The only other error I can find is in /home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures,
although it only was shown once:
Feb 09 20:36:36 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To carl at nasal.org:
Feb 09 20:36:36 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:   
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused  / {'carl at nasal.org': (550,
'<carl at nasal.org>... Relaying denied')}  (dequeued)  

I'm using sendmail for the SMTP server and am running Mandrake Linux 6.1,
kernel 2.2.13.

Any information would be greatly helpful and thank you in advance for your time.


Thank you,
Carl Nasal

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From giordano at on.aibn.com  Thu Feb 10 05:24:42 2000
From: giordano at on.aibn.com (Andre Giordano)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman
Message-ID: <38A23D8A.521E5DDC@on.aibn.com>

Hey guys I installed mailman today and was having some problems.

The mail trouble is that when I send an email to the mailing list
test at mydomain.com  , it does not bounce back but it does not go to the
people on the mailing list.

I can't check if it went into the archives because it returns forbidden.

Also got this when replying the confirmation:

The original message was received at Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:18:33 -0500
from smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd aibn"
    (expanded from: <test-request at mydomain.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable

The system is running redhat 6.1 and using sendmail.

Anybody rang accross this ?


--
Sincerely,

Andr? Giordano
Bell Nexxia Inc.
Tel: (819) 773-4938
Email: giordano at on.aibn.com





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Feb 10 05:31:46 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:31:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman
Message-ID: <200002100431.UAA22836@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable

For crying out loud!  Did you even *look* in the "INSTALL" file?
Right there in plain fiew:

    Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
              "sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs"

    Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell.  You need to
              configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the
              mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory
              identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh.
              Some common names for this directory are
              /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh.
              Note that on Debian linux, the system makes
              /usr/lib/sm.bin, which is wrong, you will need to create
              the directory /usr/admin/sm.bin and add the link there.
              NOTE: any aliases newaliases spits out will need to be
              adjusted to point to the secure link to the wrapper.

Does this not completely answer your question?




From fraktal at gmx.de  Thu Feb 10 12:08:04 2000
From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:08:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ? Mailman without passwords.
In-Reply-To: <39B6C6CF.D55639F0@navidec.com>
References: <39B6C6CF.D55639F0@navidec.com>
Message-ID: <7u65as8v6j2k44bdgiktu7jo56e6q0qjki@4ax.com>

HI,

I am sure this is a FAQ but could someone direct me to the
answer?

Is it possible to oparate mailman without subscriber-passwords?

Some newbies react badly to someone sending them passwords every
month or forget them or or or.

OG
-- 
Die Frage muss eher lauten: Tolerieren Leute, die denken, alle
Trekker seien tolerant, die Tatsache, dass diese Aussage recht
intolerant gegenueber den Intoleranten unter den Fans ist?
> -> Garantiert Trek-Freie Zone: http://www.carpe.com/lit/



From th at nextra.com  Thu Feb 10 13:15:17 2000
From: th at nextra.com (Tor Houghton)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:15:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error
In-Reply-To: <20000209165059.A1265@stopcontact.palga.uucp>; from gerrit.holl@pobox.com on Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 04:50:59PM +0100
References: <20000209150054.C26111@nextel.no> <20000209165059.A1265@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <20000210131516.A5158@nextel.no>

* Gerrit Holl (Wed, Feb 09, 2000 at 04:50:59PM +0100)

> 
> Are you sure the permissions are allright?
> Run the bin/check-perms script, please.
> 

They must be; posting to the same list a minute later worked perfectly (and
the message was archived correctly). 

As for check_perms;

|mailman {104} bin/check_perms 
|  File "bin/check_perms", line 55
|    raise
|        ^
|SyntaxError: invalid syntax

<wild_guess> 
I was just wondering if it was a race condition or something.
</wild_guess>

Best regards,

Tor



From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Thu Feb 10 15:28:47 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error
In-Reply-To: <20000210131516.A5158@nextel.no>; from th@nextra.com on Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 01:15:17PM +0100
References: <20000209150054.C26111@nextel.no> <20000209165059.A1265@stopcontact.palga.uucp> <20000210131516.A5158@nextel.no>
Message-ID: <20000210152847.A4611@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Tor Houghton wrote on 950184917:
> As for check_perms;
> 
> |mailman {104} bin/check_perms 
> |  File "bin/check_perms", line 55
> |    raise
> |        ^
> |SyntaxError: invalid syntax
> 
> <wild_guess> 
> I was just wondering if it was a race condition or something.
> </wild_guess>

You will need the latest Python version, 1.5.2.
Get it at http://www.python.org.

regards,
Gerrit.

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From javier at KJSL.COM  Thu Feb 10 16:01:37 2000
From: javier at KJSL.COM (Javier Henderson)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:01:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting an undeletable list member
Message-ID: <14498.53969.20871.893775@bogon.kjsl.com>

Greetings,

	Somehow, I ended up with the following address subscribed to
a list I host:

"RONAN DUKE"@a1.ilo.mts.dec.com

	That's how it appears in the Membership webpage. If I try to
unsubscribe it by unchecking the subscr box, I get an error message
stating the user isn't subscribed.

	Now what?

-jav



From jerry at scoregroup.com  Thu Feb 10 18:20:18 2000
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:20:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ? Mailman without passwords.
In-Reply-To: <7u65as8v6j2k44bdgiktu7jo56e6q0qjki@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBJKMNEKAHLOEDNFLBGEEGCBAA.jerry@scoregroup.com>

This is my password hack it seems to work.

In the directory home/mailman/Mailman/ there is a file called Utils.py.

on line 567 or around there you will see:

def MakeRandomPassword(length=4):
    password = ""
    while len(password) < length:
        password = password + GetRandomSeed()
    password = password[:length]
    return password

insert a value for password that you will give to all of you members.
Something intuitive like e-mail or mail, or whatever. Then comment out the
following lines:

#    while len(password) < length:
#        password = password + GetRandomSeed()
#    password = password[:length]


  This only really works when the bulk of your people subscribe and
unsubscribe via e-mail. I haven't had the time to figure out how to insert
the generic password into the web interface.  If you can please E-mail me.

Good Luck,
Jerry


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Oliver Gassner
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:08 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ? Mailman without passwords.



HI,

I am sure this is a FAQ but could someone direct me to the
answer?

Is it possible to oparate mailman without subscriber-passwords?

Some newbies react badly to someone sending them passwords every
month or forget them or or or.

OG
--
Die Frage muss eher lauten: Tolerieren Leute, die denken, alle
Trekker seien tolerant, die Tatsache, dass diese Aussage recht
intolerant gegenueber den Intoleranten unter den Fans ist?
> -> Garantiert Trek-Freie Zone: http://www.carpe.com/lit/

------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From lww at ictech.net  Thu Feb 10 23:46:45 2000
From: lww at ictech.net (Bill Warner)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 17:46:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman on an Virtual Host
In-Reply-To: <20000209165418.0DA0A1CD7B@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000210154305.00d2b670@pop.ictech.net>

Joan Coyne wrote on 949949601:
>I would like to install Mailman, but I don't have root access to
>my server, only shell access.  I am using an iServer Virtual
>Server.  Is there anyway to get around the need for root access?
>Does mailman have to run as its own user and group?

Joan,

Mailman works just fine on an iServer VS.  I have v1.0 running there right 
now.  You do have to make some mods to the configure and configure.in files 
to stop the build process from trying to force you to run it as 
mailman:mailman (uid:gid).  Once the configure[.in] file mods (2 lines in 
each file) are made, mailman will run just fine as <your_server_login>:vuser.

Here is basically what you need to do:

1. Make sure that you have installed an appropriate version of python 
locally on your virtual server.

2. Use vadduser to create the mailman pseudo-user and home directory.  Then 
set the directory perms per the mailman INSTALL file.

3. Edit the mailman configure[.in] files to
(a) replace references to uid mailman with <your_server_login>, and
(b) replace references to gid mailman with vuser.
(I can provide v1.0 diffs for this if necessary, but it's not too hard to 
figure out what needs to be changed.)

4. Configure mailman like this (assuming that ~/usr/home/mailman is you 
mailman home):
./configure  --prefix=/usr/home/<your_server_login>/usr/home/mailman
--with-mail-gid=vuser --with-cgi-gid=vuser

5. Follow the rest of the INSTALL directions, including possibly README.BSD.

--Bill




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Feb 11 03:13:19 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:13:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ? Mailman without passwords.
Message-ID: <200002110213.SAA12294@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

Jerry, I assume that what this does is "give everyone the same
password", yes?  That's not quite "disabling passwords", although
it's perhaps useful...

> This is my password hack it seems to work.
> 
> In the directory home/mailman/Mailman/ there is a file called Utils.py.
> 
> on line 567 or around there you will see:
> 
> def MakeRandomPassword(length=4):
>     password = ""
>     while len(password) < length:
>         password = password + GetRandomSeed()
>     password = password[:length]
>     return password
> 
> insert a value for password that you will give to all of you members.
> Something intuitive like e-mail or mail, or whatever. Then comment out the
> following lines:
> 
> #    while len(password) < length:
> #        password = password + GetRandomSeed()
> #    password = password[:length]
> 
> 
>   This only really works when the bulk of your people subscribe and
> unsubscribe via e-mail. I haven't had the time to figure out how to insert
> the generic password into the web interface.  If you can please E-mail me.
> 
> Good Luck,
> Jerry
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Oliver Gassner
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:08 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ? Mailman without passwords.
> 
> 
> 
> HI,
> 
> I am sure this is a FAQ but could someone direct me to the
> answer?
> 
> Is it possible to oparate mailman without subscriber-passwords?
> 
> Some newbies react badly to someone sending them passwords every
> month or forget them or or or.
> 
> OG
> --
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> Trekker seien tolerant, die Tatsache, dass diese Aussage recht
> intolerant gegenueber den Intoleranten unter den Fans ist?
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> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From hema at spacenetindia.com  Fri Feb 11 11:04:29 2000
From: hema at spacenetindia.com (hema)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:34:29 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANS: HOW TO CHANGE ADMIN PASSWORD
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002111533080.20662-100000@alpha.spacenetindia.com>

Sorry for the inconvenience caused by my earlier question.
I have found my answer.

Thank you
Regards
Hema






From Mark.Martinec at ijs.si  Fri Feb 11 15:47:51 2000
From: Mark.Martinec at ijs.si (Mark Martinec)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:47:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Another case sensitivity problem: message held for approval
Message-ID: <01JLSBO5APOY005AY4@CATHY.IJS.SI>

Using Mailman 1.1 and Python 1.5.2.

I found another case-sensitivity problem (besides the one
in sync_members and remove_members as reported earlier - on Jan 11, 2000)
in Utils.FindMatchingAddresses or in the use of it from MailList.py.

This one is preventing the sender who _does_ match the list
of allowed posters to post to the list without
administrators approval due to a character case mismatch.
The message is inappropriately being held for approval.

I have:

  must posts be approved by an administrator?  YES

  restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only) NO

  SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH = 0

  posters dict as returned by Utils.List2Dict(self.posters)
    and passed as the second argument to Utils.FindMatchingAddresses
    from MailList.Post: {'Rdeca.Kapica at crni.gozd': 1}

  'name' as passed as the first argument to Utils.FindMatchingAddresses:
    Rdeca.Kapica at crni.gozd

As you can see the sender matches exactly the only entry in the posters list.
The problem is in FindMatchingAddresses where sender name is first
lowercased and then matched to the dictionary which contains the
mixed-case address - and the has_key fails to match an entry:

def FindMatchingAddresses(name, dict, *dicts):
    """Given an email address, and any number of dictionaries keyed by
    email addresses, returns the subset of the list that matches the
    given address.  Should sort based on exactness of match,
    just in case."""
    dicts = list(dicts)
    dicts.insert(0, dict)
    if not mm_cfg.SMART_ADDRESS_MATCH:
        for d in dicts:
            if d.has_key(string.lower(name)):
==>            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                return [name]
        return []

I think the proper solution would be to keep lowercased
addresses in the list/dictionary in the first place.
(The workaround is to manually lowercase all addresses
in the 'posters' list of every mailing list.)

Is somebody reading this? Is there a hope for a patch now
and a fix in the next release?

Regards
   Mark

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From berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu  Fri Feb 11 16:19:00 2000
From: berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu (berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:19:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME change
Message-ID: <200002111519.JAA13627@gsbrgo.uchicago.edu>

Folks:

We have a working Mailman 1.0 installation on a machine named

  xyz.uppity.edu

We want to move our installation to a machine named

  xyzpop.uppity.edu

(Actually, the system's hostname is 'xyzpop'.  'xyz' is an alias for 'xyzpop'.
We have to set up a new machine with hostname 'xyz' that will be our new Web
server.  By means of mx records, we will be redirecting mail traffic from
the new 'xyz' to 'xyzpop'.)

As an experiment, I wrote a simple Perl filter.  All it does is substitute
the string

  xyzpop.uppity.edu

for the string

  xyz.uppity.edu

in the test list's config.db file.

Now, when I try to access the list, Mailman gives the complaint

raceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 809, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: '
TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands

The code in MailList.py reads:

        try:
            dict = marshal.load(file)
            if type(dict) <> DictType:
                raise Errors.MMBadListError, \
                      'Unmarshaled config info is not a dictionary'
        except (EOFError, ValueError, TypeError), e:
            raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: '

I seem to be experiencing some sort of EOF error.

I verified (through a 'wc -c' and 'ls -l') that the replacement config.db
is exactly 9 bytes longer than the original config.db:  the added 'pop' times
three, for the three times that 'xyz.uppity.edu' appears in the source
config.db.  So I don't think the Perl filter added any extraneous
characters, or subtracted anything, beyond the desired substitution.

As an experiment, I tried editing the original config.db with Emacs.  Same
result.

So, is my naive strategy for doing this translation doomed?  Will we be
forced to set up an entirely new installation as 'xyzpop.uppity.edu', and
subject our 350+ list owners, not to mention our thousands upon thousands
of list members, the agony of starting again from scratch?

Please tell me it ain't so!

Bob Osterlund

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From Mark.Martinec at ijs.si  Fri Feb 11 16:25:15 2000
From: Mark.Martinec at ijs.si (Mark Martinec)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:25:15 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect address reported in 'message held' notice to moderator
Message-ID: <01JLSCZ443TU005BXB@CATHY.IJS.SI>

Using Mailman 1.1 and Python 1.5.2.

The message received by the administrator of the list
about a message being held for approval is misleading and not useful:

| Subject: Test post approval required for cyrustest at ijs.si
| 
| Your authorization is required for a mailing list posting request
| approval:
| 
|     List:         Test at ijs.si
|     Reason held:  Moderated list
|     From:         cyrustest at ijs.si
=>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have 'USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 1' which works much better for
me than relying on broken 'Sender' headers.

The reported 'From: cyrustest at ijs.si' address is neither
the 'From:' field of the post (as the name might suggest)
nor the sender address from its envelope header (which would
be more logical having set USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER=1),
but is the irrelevant contents of the 'Sender:' field.

The message should either say 'Sender: cyrustest at ijs.si'
which would be correct but unimportant, or it should
report either the Sender or the envelope sender address
based on the value of variable USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER, since this
it the only address that really matters (it decides whether
the message is passed or held for approval).

The incorrect reported address makes it difficult to
see the reason why the posting was being held.

Regards
   Mark

-- 
  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  !!  Mark Martinec (system manager)     tel +386 61 177-3575 !!
  !!  J. Stefan Institute, Jamova 39     fax +386 61  219-385 !!
  !!  SI-1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia        mark.martinec at ijs.si !!
  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.ijs.si/people/mark/ !!!!



From mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu  Fri Feb 11 18:09:46 2000
From: mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu (Michael Boudreau)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:09:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] configuration problems
Message-ID: <20000211170650Z71633-15156+72@journals.uchicago.edu>

I'm setting up a new list with Mailman v1.1 and finding some configuration
items either not working or not configurable.

- I have selected "No" for "Send monthly password reminders", but the
welcome message I got when I joined the list after setting it up still said
I would receive a monthly reminder.

- I have selected "Yes" for "Show member addrs so they're not directly
recognizable as email addrs", but the URL for the subscription page in my
welcome message included the "@" sign in my email address, instead of
"__at__".

Are the email messages from the list configurable as the HTML pages are?

- I have selected "No" for "Can list members choose to receive list traffic
bunched in daily digests", but the list info page still offers this option
(with the "No" and "Yes" labels, minus the radio buttons)


Have other people experienced these problems? Are there known workarounds?
(I found nothing in the archives about editing the email messages.)



=================================================
Michael Boudreau
Electronic Publishing Developer
University of Chicago Press, Journals Division

email: mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu
phone: 773 753 3298
fax: 773 753 0827
=================================================



From demian at csbs.utah.edu  Fri Feb 11 21:30:05 2000
From: demian at csbs.utah.edu (Demian Hanks)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:30:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Tutorial for mailman for newbie list-admins?
Message-ID: <38A4714D.950F0F28@csbs.utah.edu>

Hello All,

I have set up new listserver using mailman, and I'm beginning
to make it available to users throught our college. Part of my 
initial motivation for setting up mailman is the fact that I don't
have to admin each of the lists. I am a little concerned about
the ability of some of my list-admins to use the "best" configurations
regarding bounce options, privacy protection, and other configs. 

So I asked one of our web guys to setup a tutorial of sorts as a resource 
for these list-admins and I wanted to get some feedback from other 
people that might be in the same position. 

Mostly I am interested in making sure that one lists configuration will 
not adversly affect the other lists. 

There is a link for the tutorial at http://lists.csbs.utah.edu 
I also plan on makeing the mailman-faq, list archive and docs available.
I would appreciate any suggestions for additions/changes.
I'd also like to know if it is possible to lock some configurations like
"require confirmation" for all lists on the server, maybe via a cron script that 
checks the settings once a day, or deep within the mystic of mailman's code.


Thanks,
Demian Hanks
CSBS Network Admin.



From mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu  Fri Feb 11 23:10:35 2000
From: mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu (Michael Boudreau)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:10:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config problems
Message-ID: <20000211220734Z71696-15144+148@journals.uchicago.edu>

To follow up on my previous message, although the HTML for the list info
pages seems to ignore some configuration options (like whether digests are
possible, or archives are kept), it appears that *almost* all the
list-specific HTML can be edited (one exception: the text beginning "To
change your subscription" near the end of the List Info page seems to be
globally set).

However, the text of the email message welcoming new members comes from a
global template, so I can't edit that for a specific list. Make that a
feature request.

I'm still having the problem that in the welcome message, my subscription
page URL is given in the form


http://server.org/mailman/options.cgi/listname/mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu

but this URL generates an "Error 400: Bad syntax in URI" message from my
web server (WN 2.2.2). If I change the URL, substituting "__at__" for "@",
it works. I also notice that the URL with "@" seems to work properly with
the mailman-users list, though. Any idea what's going on?



=================================================
Michael Boudreau
Electronic Publishing Developer
University of Chicago Press, Journals Division

email: mboudreau at journals.uchicago.edu
phone: 773 753 3298
fax: 773 753 0827
=================================================



From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Feb 11 23:32:00 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:32:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with https
Message-ID: <20000211143159.A20342@marc.merlins.org>

In order to have internal lists and archives available to a certain class of
users, I am now running mailman under apache-ssl.

I thought for  a while that everything  was fine, until I  realized that all
the post forms  are broken because they reference  http://server/ instead of
https://server/

Changing DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py doesn't help since it's apparently only
used for the default value during new list creations.
Where do I patch mailman to go to https intead of http?

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
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Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From marc_news at valinux.com  Fri Feb 11 23:36:13 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME change
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C200002111519=2EJAA13627=40gsbrgo=2Euchicago=2Eedu=3E?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3B_from_berto=40gsbrgo=2Euchicago=2Eedu_on_ven=2C_f=E9v_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?11=2C_2000_at_09:19:00_-0600?=
References: <200002111519.JAA13627@gsbrgo.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <20000211143613.B20342@marc.merlins.org>

On ven, f?v 11, 2000 at 09:19:00 -0600, berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> 
> We have a working Mailman 1.0 installation on a machine named
> 
>   xyz.uppity.edu
> 
> We want to move our installation to a machine named
> 
>   xyzpop.uppity.edu
> 
> (Actually, the system's hostname is 'xyzpop'.  'xyz' is an alias for 'xyzpop'.
> We have to set up a new machine with hostname 'xyz' that will be our new Web
> server.  By means of mx records, we will be redirecting mail traffic from
> the new 'xyz' to 'xyzpop'.)
> 
> As an experiment, I wrote a simple Perl filter.  All it does is substitute
> the string
> 
>   xyzpop.uppity.edu
> 
> for the string
> 
>   xyz.uppity.edu
> 
> in the test list's config.db file.

You can't do that. If you binary patch, you need to replace with a string of
the exact same length. If you don't, it renders the file unusable.

The hostname has to  be changed through the web interface,  or with the help
of the config_list script that is in mailman cvs (pre-1.2)
If you rename a list, you need to use move_list, which also is in cvs

Marc
-- 
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Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
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From berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu  Fri Feb 11 23:54:11 2000
From: berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu (berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:54:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME change
Message-ID: <200002112254.QAA17472@gsbrgo.uchicago.edu>

   Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:36:13 -0800
   From: Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com>

   On ven, f?v 11, 2000 at 09:19:00 -0600, berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu wrote:
   > 
   > We have a working Mailman 1.0 installation on a machine named
   > 
   >   xyz.uppity.edu
   > 
   > We want to move our installation to a machine named
   > 
   >   xyzpop.uppity.edu
   > 
   > ...
   >
   > As an experiment, I wrote a simple Perl filter.  All it does is substitute
   > the string
   > 
   >   xyzpop.uppity.edu
   > 
   > for the string
   > 
   >   xyz.uppity.edu
   > 
   > in the test list's config.db file.

   You can't do that. If you binary patch, you need to replace with a string of
   the exact same length. If you don't, it renders the file unusable.

   The hostname has to  be changed through the web interface,  or with the help
   of the config_list script that is in mailman cvs (pre-1.2)
   If you rename a list, you need to use move_list, which also is in cvs

Marc:

Operating under the principle that "If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It," also
time constraints that forbid us from doing everything we'd like, we remain
using Mailman 1.0.  (We'll upgrade eventually.)

Is the config_list script simple enough, and have the underlying data
structures remained unchanged, so that we could apply the config_list
script to a 1.0 installation?

Also, is the CVS repository open to public access?  How would I do a
checkout?

Bob

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From nick at zork.net  Fri Feb 11 23:54:31 2000
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:54:31 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with https
In-Reply-To: <20000211143159.A20342@marc.merlins.org>; from marc_news@valinux.com on Fri, Feb 11, 2000 at 02:32:00PM -0800
References: <20000211143159.A20342@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <20000211145431.I3524@zork.net>

begin  Marc Merlin quotation:
> In order to have internal lists and archives available to a certain
> class of users, I am now running mailman under apache-ssl.
> 
> I thought for  a while that everything  was fine, until I  realized
> that all the post forms  are broken because they reference
> http://server/ instead of https://server/
> 
> Changing DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py doesn't help since it's apparently
> only used for the default value during new list creations.  Where do
> I patch mailman to go to https intead of http?

	You need to turn on CRAZY_FRENCHMAN in the mm_cfg.py.

-- 
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From giordano at on.aibn.com  Sat Feb 12 02:36:37 2000
From: giordano at on.aibn.com (Andre Giordano)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:36:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin functions only
Message-ID: <38A4B925.AC456EB0@on.aibn.com>

Is there a way to make mailman not make a public listing where people
can add themselves to a mailing list. I went the mailing list to be
administered by one person.

Anybody tried this ?

--
Sincerely,

Andr? Giordano
Bell Nexxia Inc.
Email: giordano at on.aibn.com





From marc_news at valinux.com  Sat Feb 12 03:42:50 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:42:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using mailman with https
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C20000211145431=2EI3524=40zork=2Enet=3E=3B_from_nick=40?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?zork=2Enet_on_ven=2C_f=E9v_11=2C_2000_at_02:54:31_-0800?=
References: <20000211143159.A20342@marc.merlins.org> <20000211230946.723D420BA@lola.uue.Org> <20000211143159.A20342@marc.merlins.org> <20000211145431.I3524@zork.net>
Message-ID: <20000211184250.D20342@marc.merlins.org>

On ven, f?v 11, 2000 at 11:58:54 +0100, Michael Reinsch wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:32:00 -0800, Marc Merlin wrote:
> 
> > Changing DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py doesn't help since it's apparently only
> > used for the default value during new list creations.
> > Where do I patch mailman to go to https intead of http?
> 
> I changed the URL for every mailinglist and this works great. Ok, if you've 
> already some mls this is much work...

Doh, you're right, it's that easy.

The change didn't take long for me, I dumped all the lists with
bin/config_list (mm1.2 cvs), and ran the following:
perl -pi -e 's#http://lists.valinux.com/lists#https://lists.valinux.com/lists#' *

After that, I fed all the dumps back to mailman

Marc
-- 
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Sat Feb 12 06:28:50 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:28:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_HOST_NAME change
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C200002112254=2EQAA17472=40gsbrgo=2Euchicago=2Eedu=3E?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3B_from_berto=40gsbrgo=2Euchicago=2Eedu_on_ven=2C_f=E9v_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?11=2C_2000_at_04:54:11_-0600?=
References: <200002112254.QAA17472@gsbrgo.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <20000211212850.A28012@marc.merlins.org>

On ven, f?v 11, 2000 at 04:54:11 -0600, berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu wrote:
> Is the config_list script simple enough, and have the underlying data
> structures remained unchanged, so that we could apply the config_list
> script to a 1.0 installation?

I've used config_list on a mailman 1.0rcsomething and it seemed to work
fine.
I've upgraded my machines to mm1.1 and use config_list on them without any
problems.

Marc
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From james.mckay at yale.edu  Sat Feb 12 14:55:36 2000
From: james.mckay at yale.edu (Jim McKay)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:55:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Checking queue and removing mail from queue
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000212085324.00a59260@email.med.yale.edu>

Is there some way to check what Mailman has queued to send? Further, is it 
possible to delete queued messages?

Thanks,

Jim McKay





From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Feb 13 02:19:42 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:19:42 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejects no longer email
Message-ID: <26460.950404782@kanga.nu>

I've hit a most curious case:

  The list functions perfectly as far as I can tell, with one
exception:  When I reject a message from the moderation interface
nothing gets emailed to the poster.  

No entries are made in any of the MailMan logs, no connections are
made to the local MTA, and check_perms reports that everything ist
just fine.

Quite anooying.

Does anybody have a script hacked up to migrate the membership of
one list to another along with their configs?

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From marc_news at valinux.com  Sun Feb 13 02:24:16 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:24:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejects no longer email
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C26460=2E950404782=40kanga=2Enu=3E=3B_from_claw=40kanga?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2Enu_on_sam=2C_f=E9v_12=2C_2000_at_05:19:42_-0800?=
References: <26460.950404782@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000212172416.A12523@marc.merlins.org>

On sam, f?v 12, 2000 at 05:19:42 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>   The list functions perfectly as far as I can tell, with one
> exception:  When I reject a message from the moderation interface
> nothing gets emailed to the poster.  
 
I've also seen that on mailman 1.0rcsomething
Of course, each time I tried to reproduce it, I got the reject just fine.

> Does anybody have a script hacked up to migrate the membership of
> one list to another along with their configs?

Mmmh, do you want to rename the list or move it to another mailman install?
If #1, rename the fields you can through the web form as well as the file
and directory names, and then use move_list from mm1.2 cvs
If you move  the list to another  mailman install, if the  pathnames are the
same, you're in business, otherwise you have to run move_list for mailman to
fix the pathnames in config.db

Marc
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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Feb 13 02:39:51 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:39:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejects no longer email 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc Merlin <marc_news@valinux.com> 
   of "Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:24:16 PST." <20000212172416.A12523@marc.merlins.org> 
References: <26460.950404782@kanga.nu>  <20000212172416.A12523@marc.merlins.org> 
Message-ID: <26870.950405991@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:24:16 -0800 
Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> wrote:

> On sam, f?v 12, 2000 at 05:19:42 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> The list functions perfectly as far as I can tell, with one
>> exception: When I reject a message from the moderation interface
>> nothing gets emailed to the poster.
 
> I've also seen that on mailman 1.0rcsomething Of course, each time
> I tried to reproduce it, I got the reject just fine.

I recall on account of this problem previously on the list.  It is
repproduceable for me for the one list.  All the other lists on the
system handle rejects just fine.  Its just the one list that goofs
on rejects.

>> Does anybody have a script hacked up to migrate the membership of
>> one list to another along with their configs?

> Mmmh, do you want to rename the list or move it to another mailman
> install?  If #1, rename the fields you can through the web form as
> well as the file and directory names, and then use move_list from
> mm1.2 cvs If you move the list to another mailman install, if the
> pathnames are the same, you're in business, otherwise you have to
> run move_list for mailman to fix the pathnames in config.db

No.  I suspect that something in <listname/config.db is corrupt, so
I'd like to migrate all the contents of the current list's config.db 
to another list (membership and customisations), delete the current
list and then rename the new list to the old name.

Or something like that -- an attempt to get a correct config.db.

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From sms at mole.netconcepts.com  Sun Feb 13 02:41:53 2000
From: sms at mole.netconcepts.com (sms at mole.netconcepts.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:41:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Archives and searching
In-Reply-To: <20000130170003.7EF341CD19@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002121933380.1189-100000@mole.netconcepts.com>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:41:09 -0700 Les Nile wrote:
>Wilma is a search engine and web interface built on top of MHonArc
>and glimpse.  (ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/wilma/)  It works nicely
>with mailman.  I set it up to build its archive in the usual
>mailman/archives/private/list_name/ directory, fetching the
>messages from the list_name.mbox/list_name.mbox file.  (Actually,
>a link to that file with a month-specific name, since I've got
>wilma set up to make month-by-month archives.) 

I'm having trouble figuring out how to break up the
mailman/archives/private/list_name.mbox/list_name.mbox file into separate
months so that MHonarc/Wilma can generate month-by-month archives. Any
guidance you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
Stephan




From marc_news at valinux.com  Sun Feb 13 04:41:53 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc Merlin)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:41:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejects no longer email
In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C26870=2E950405991=40kanga=2Enu=3E=3B_from_claw=40kanga?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2Enu_on_sam=2C_f=E9v_12=2C_2000_at_05:39:51_-0800?=
References: <26460.950404782@kanga.nu> <20000212172416.A12523@marc.merlins.org> <marc_news@valinux.com> <26870.950405991@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000212194153.B12523@marc.merlins.org>

On sam, f?v 12, 2000 at 05:39:51 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> No.  I suspect that something in <listname/config.db is corrupt, so
> I'd like to migrate all the contents of the current list's config.db 
> to another list (membership and customisations), delete the current
> list and then rename the new list to the old name.

Ah, then you need the other script Barry put in mm1.2 cvs and that I
mentinoned here a couple of days ago: config_list
Create a  new list, use config_list  to dump the  old one into a  text file,
edit if you want, and overwrite the new list settings with the old one.

The problem here is that their is no  way to dump and restore a list's users
_while keeping the users' values_ (password, digest, whatever)

Barry knows about this but I suppose he already has a lot on his plate right
now :-)

MArc
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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Feb 13 07:05:36 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:05:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejects no longer email 
In-Reply-To: Message from Marc Merlin <marc_news@valinux.com> 
   of "Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:41:53 PST." <20000212194153.B12523@marc.merlins.org> 
References: <26460.950404782@kanga.nu> <20000212172416.A12523@marc.merlins.org> <marc_news@valinux.com> <26870.950405991@kanga.nu>  <20000212194153.B12523@marc.merlins.org> 
Message-ID: <30026.950421936@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:41:53 -0800 
Marc Merlin <marc_news at valinux.com> wrote:

> On sam, f?v 12, 2000 at 05:39:51 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> No.  I suspect that something in <listname/config.db is corrupt,
>> so I'd like to migrate all the contents of the current list's
>> config.db to another list (membership and customisations), delete
>> the current list and then rename the new list to the old name.

> Ah, then you need the other script Barry put in mm1.2 cvs and that
> I mentinoned here a couple of days ago: config_list Create a new
> list, use config_list to dump the old one into a text file, edit
> if you want, and overwrite the new list settings with the old one.

Sounds like just the ticket.  I must have missed that email.

> The problem here is that their is no way to dump and restore a
> list's users _while keeping the users' values_ (password, digest,
> whatever)

<ponder>

I question this:

There's a script in bin called clone_member.  As written it has
problems, but the promise at least is there that it could be hacked
to instead write the member data to a second config rather than the
current one.

> Barry knows about this but I suppose he already has a lot on his
> plate right now :-)

Yup.  JPython is looking extremely promising, especially with the
(not so recent) MicroThreads and Stackless Python patches.  I have a
lot of hopes for those two patches in particular.

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From ke at gnu.franken.de  Sun Feb 13 09:17:16 2000
From: ke at gnu.franken.de (Karl EICHWALDER)
Date: 13 Feb 2000 09:17:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FHS on Linux (Re: Deleting a list)
Message-ID: <shwvo9tt2r.fsf@tux.gnu.franken.de>

[I'm just glancing through the archive...]

J C Lawrence claw at kanga.nu writes:

|   Happening to have such a box right nere, its also
|   /var/lib/mailman/bin/rmlist (to which the above /usr/sbin/rmlist is
|   a symlink).  The more annoying thing on Debian is that ~list (the
|   UID that MailMan runs under under Debian) resolves to a
|   useless/non-existent directory.

This discussion is of some interest to me; I'm starting to prepare a
mailman package for SuSE Linux.

I'm inclined to store the whole machinery under /var/lib/mailman
(dynamic files) and /usr/lib/mailman ("static" files), with
bi-directional links for convenience.  For my understanding that's
conforming with the FHS, too.

IMO, it's not a good idea to clutter the .../sbin area with more links
than absolutely necessary; sooner or later you'll encounter namespace
problems ;-)

On SuSE Linux, ~mailman will expand to /var/lib/mailman, where you'll
find configuration files, templates, etc.  To ~mailman/.bashrc I'll add 

    PATH=/usr/lib/mailman/bin:$PATH

This way, the `mailman' user can invoke the adminstrative commands
without path information.

Nice day,
Karl

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From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au  Sun Feb 13 11:21:58 2000
From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:21:58 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing /mailman/ from URLs
Message-ID: <20000213212158.A4632@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>

I've set up a separate domain (lists.domain) just for mailman, and an
Apache virtual host for it.  The following Apache config

<VirtualHost IP>
        ServerName lists.domain
        Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
        Alias /index.html /var/mailman/index.html
        ScriptAlias / /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
</VirtualHost>

works, in that
	http://lists.domain/listinfo
	http://lists.domain/admin
	http://lists.domain/pipermail
	etc.
all do the right thing.

And http://lists.domain/index.html
	returns /var/mailman/index.html
But I can't find any way to get
	http://lists.domain/
to return that page (which is basically just links to /admin and
/listinfo).  

Is there an equivalent of DirectoryIndex for ScriptAliased directories?
Any other ideas?  Many people do "guess" domain names, so keeping them
as simple as possible is I think useful.

Danny.




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Sun Feb 13 17:52:00 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:52:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Archives and searching
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002121933380.1189-100000@mole.netconcepts.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10002131146420.21802-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

please let me know what you learn.

i have just been through the process of implementing mhonarc, glimpse and
wilma for my mailman archives (thanks to les for his help) and i am at
the same stage as you: how to split the existing mbox files before
re-archiving and indexing with wilma.  i imagine i could do something with
procmail/formail but if someone else has a tried-and-true recipe for
doing this please let me know.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 sms at mole.netconcepts.com wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:41:09 -0700 Les Nile wrote:
> >Wilma is a search engine and web interface built on top of MHonArc
> >and glimpse.  (ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/wilma/)  It works nicely
> >with mailman.  I set it up to build its archive in the usual
> >mailman/archives/private/list_name/ directory, fetching the
> >messages from the list_name.mbox/list_name.mbox file.  (Actually,
> >a link to that file with a month-specific name, since I've got
> >wilma set up to make month-by-month archives.) 
> 
> I'm having trouble figuring out how to break up the
> mailman/archives/private/list_name.mbox/list_name.mbox file into separate
> months so that MHonarc/Wilma can generate month-by-month archives. Any
> guidance you can give would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Stephan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From petyo at webmessenger.bg  Sun Feb 13 20:03:45 2000
From: petyo at webmessenger.bg (Petyo Byankov)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:03:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages
Message-ID: <185701bf7655$0d34e010$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>

How can I avoid duplicate messages from sendmail when same address occurs in
mailman's mailing list and in Cc: field ? 

Petyo


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From petyo at webmessenger.bg  Sun Feb 13 20:07:26 2000
From: petyo at webmessenger.bg (Petyo Byankov)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:07:26 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages
Message-ID: <186a01bf7655$90e9ea90$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>

How can I avoid duplicate messages from sendmail when same address occurs in
mailman's mailing list and in Cc: field ? 

Petyo




From demian at csbs.utah.edu  Sun Feb 13 20:34:24 2000
From: demian at csbs.utah.edu (Demian Hanks)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:34:24 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing /mailman/ from URLs
References: <20000213212158.A4632@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
Message-ID: <38A70740.939BEF23@csbs.utah.edu>

You may want to drop the index.html, and just go with:
http://list.domain.com/ == /listinfo.cgi or whatever.

I use a regex to redirect "exact / /listinfo.cgi"

I believe that the apache syntax is: 
Redirect / http://list.domain.com/listinfo.cgi

I was going to setup an index.html, but it seems pointless since 
listinfo already generates a page for you, although you may have 
some other reason I'm not awary of.
Mine is at http://lists.csbs.utah.edu

Hope this helps,

Demian



Danny Yee wrote:
> 
> I've set up a separate domain (lists.domain) just for mailman, and an
> Apache virtual host for it.  The following Apache config
> 
> <VirtualHost IP>
>         ServerName lists.domain
>         Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/
>         Alias /index.html /var/mailman/index.html
>         ScriptAlias / /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
> </VirtualHost>
> 
> works, in that
>         http://lists.domain/listinfo
>         http://lists.domain/admin
>         http://lists.domain/pipermail
>         etc.
> all do the right thing.
> 
> And http://lists.domain/index.html
>         returns /var/mailman/index.html
> But I can't find any way to get
>         http://lists.domain/
> to return that page (which is basically just links to /admin and
> /listinfo).
> 
> Is there an equivalent of DirectoryIndex for ScriptAliased directories?
> Any other ideas?  Many people do "guess" domain names, so keeping them
> as simple as possible is I think useful.
> 
> Danny.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Sun Feb 13 20:59:46 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:59:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages
In-Reply-To: <186a01bf7655$90e9ea90$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>
References: <186a01bf7655$90e9ea90$b600000a@webmessenger.bg>
Message-ID: <20000213145946.A13774@xcski.com>

Quoting Petyo Byankov (petyo at webmessenger.bg):
> How can I avoid duplicate messages from sendmail when same address occurs in
> mailman's mailing list and in Cc: field ? 

Well, what I do is put the following rules in my .procmailrc:

:0 Whc: msgid.lock
| formail -D 8192 msgid.cache

:0 a:
/dev/null


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From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Feb 14 00:18:29 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:18:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate messages 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Petyo Byankov" <petyo@webmessenger.bg> 
   of "Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:03:45 +0200." <185701bf7655$0d34e010$b600000a@webmessenger.bg> 
References: <185701bf7655$0d34e010$b600000a@webmessenger.bg> 
Message-ID: <24711.950483909@kanga.nu>

On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:03:45 +0200 
Petyo Byankov <petyo at webmessenger.bg> wrote:

> How can I avoid duplicate messages from sendmail when same address
> = occurs in mailman's mailing list and in Cc: field ?=20

You don't.  You don't have control over this as the dupe is created
by list members, not the list server.  It is the job of the
recipient -- typically using procmail with the standard formail
recipe -- to delete dupes.

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From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au  Mon Feb 14 06:56:44 2000
From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:56:44 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing /mailman/ from URLs
In-Reply-To: <38A70740.939BEF23@csbs.utah.edu>; from demian@csbs.utah.edu on Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 12:34:24PM -0700
References: <20000213212158.A4632@anatomy.usyd.edu.au> <38A70740.939BEF23@csbs.utah.edu>
Message-ID: <20000214165644.A19402@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>

Demian Hanks wrote:
> You may want to drop the index.html, and just go with:
> http://list.domain.com/ == /listinfo.cgi or whatever.

> I was going to setup an index.html, but it seems pointless since 
> listinfo already generates a page for you, although you may have 
> some other reason I'm not awary of.

Yep, that makes sense.

> I use a regex to redirect "exact / /listinfo.cgi"
 
> I believe that the apache syntax is: 
> Redirect / http://list.domain.com/listinfo.cgi
 
Unfortunately this Redirect interferes with the
	ScriptAlias / /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
(Whichever one comes first stops the other doing anything.) 

The combination
	DocumentRoot /var/mailman/cgi-bin
	Options ExecCGI
doesn't work, since the cgi-bin scripts aren't identified as scripts.
I could put in explicit ScriptAliases for every entry in cgi-bin, or
maybe rename all the files with .cgi extensions.  Do any Apache gurus
have a nicer solution?

Danny.




From klaubert at bcb.gov.br  Mon Feb 14 17:08:33 2000
From: klaubert at bcb.gov.br (Klaubert Herr da Silveira)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:08:33 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicated messages send by mailman
Message-ID: <38A82881.99EB9B0B@bcb.gov.br>

Hi,

I'm geting a hard problem, the mailman is sending 2 copies from a
message to many of list recipient, I turn "Number of outgoing
connections to open at once" on mailman admin to "1"  as I seen in
mailing-list archieve, but the problem persist. My MTA is sendmail...

Any help?

Thanx,
Klaubert Herr




From Danny.Hite at ncmail.net  Mon Feb 14 16:46:19 2000
From: Danny.Hite at ncmail.net (Danny Hite)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:46:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Netscape vCard problem with ???-request@... Commands
Message-ID: <38A8234B.AC8EBBCB@ncmail.net>

We use Netscape 4.x for our e-mail and I have found a problem with the
vCard's that are attached to messages that go to the
<listname>-request at ... address. Below is a paste from the response that
I get from mailman. And yes, if I turn off vCards it will work properly.
That is a problem because it is required for our organization/list
members to use these in their email messages. Just wondering if anyone
had found a workaround for this. I also notice that it does really
"work". The commands do actually work, it's just that the top of the
message states that there were problems with the request. Upon looking
further down the message you can see that the command did indeed work,
showing the results of the command requested.

Thanks


---------------Begin Paste------------------
This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via
the administrative address <test-request@??????.???????>.
<<<<Replaced by me>

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send email to
<test-request at wse114.deh.ehnr.state.nc.us> with the word "help" in the
subject line or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to <test-admin at wse114.deh.ehnr.state.nc.us>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.


***** who
Digest Members:
       ???????@??????.???    <<<<Replaced by me>
Non-Digest Members:
        ???????@??????.???    <<<<Replaced by me>
        ???????@??????.???    <<<<Replaced by me>
Command? This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Command? --------------8A9F0C1B2FE3089D8B2A0D18
Command? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Command? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Command? --------------8A9F0C1B2FE3089D8B2A0D18
>>>>>
>>>>> Too many errors encountered; the rest of the message is ignored:
> Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;
>  name="Danny.Hite.vcf"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Description: Card for Danny Hite
> Content-Disposition: attachment;
>  filename="Danny.Hite.vcf"
>
> begin:vcard
> n:Hite;Danny
> tel;fax:
> tel;work:
> x-mozilla-html:FALSE
> org:?????                            <<<<Replaced by me>
> version:2.1
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From michael at napster.com  Mon Feb 14 17:15:48 2000
From: michael at napster.com (Michael Ridley)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:15:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Checking queue and removing mail from queue
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000212085324.00a59260@email.med.yale.edu>; from james.mckay@yale.edu on Sat, Feb 12, 2000 at 08:55:36AM -0500
References: <4.2.2.20000212085324.00a59260@email.med.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <20000214081548.A5566@napster.com>

I would think that would be fairly MTA specific.  In sendmail you can
just do a 'mailq' and then delete what you don't like from /var/spool/mqueue
(or some path like that if your system is odd)...

If you are speaking of messages that are queued to be administratively
reviewed or somesuch, then I have no idea.

On Sat, Feb 12, 2000 at 08:55:36AM -0500, Jim McKay wrote:
> Is there some way to check what Mailman has queued to send? Further, is it 
> possible to delete queued messages?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim McKay
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Michael Ridley <michael at napster.com>        
PGP/GPG key available at
http://www.napster.com/keys/michael_key.txt



From dayton at overx.com  Mon Feb 14 18:34:03 2000
From: dayton at overx.com (Soren Dayton)
Date: 14 Feb 2000 11:34:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] getting full names with mailman
Message-ID: <86wvo7sn78.fsf@polo.overx.com>

I used listproc and smartlist before moving to mailman. In listproc
the "full names"[1] of users were provided in some file.   And with a
little bit of extra work, I was able to get smartlist to do this in
one of its hooks.

Has anyone investigated adding hooks to allow things like this in
mailman?  What are the issues?

Thanks,

Soren



[1] That would be `Soren Dayton' for me.  See the From header.



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Mon Feb 14 22:26:13 2000
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:26:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment counts toward length limit?
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000214152430.00a9f930@admin.aurora.edu>

Hi everyone.  When you set the maximum length of a message body in the 
general settings, would attached files count toward that?  For example, if 
I have a 50K limit on the message body and someone sends a 100K attachment 
will it go through?

Cheers,

--chris




From alex at phred.org  Mon Feb 14 23:11:48 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:11:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment counts toward length limit?
References: <4.2.2.20000214152430.00a9f930@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <005f01bf7738$7d911fc0$01fa3b9d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

From: "Christopher Kolar" <ckolar at admin.aurora.edu>
> Hi everyone.  When you set the maximum length of a message body in the
> general settings, would attached files count toward that?  For example, if
> I have a 50K limit on the message body and someone sends a 100K attachment
> will it go through?

Yes, the attachment counts.  Mailman doesn't decode the message, so it
doesn't look at the structure of it to see if there are MIME attachments.

alex




From nathan at robotics.net  Mon Feb 14 23:13:56 2000
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:13:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachment counts toward length limit?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000214152430.00a9f930@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002141713210.16082-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Christopher Kolar wrote:

> Hi everyone.  When you set the maximum length of a message body in the 
> general settings, would attached files count toward that?  For example, if 
> I have a 50K limit on the message body and someone sends a 100K attachment 
> will it go through?

Yes it counts and because of that no, your message would not go through.


><>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net
 
> Cheers,
> 
> --chris




From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Mon Feb 14 23:53:04 2000
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:53:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin guide v0.2 now online
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000214164237.00a9aef0@admin.aurora.edu>

Hello everyone.  It has been a while since I last updated the information, 
but I have finally gotten around to making revisions to my first attempt at 
MailMan documentation.  The second versions of the list administrator's 
guide and quick reference are now online at:
	www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman

This document has been prepared for list owners: people who are not 
necessarily technical but who own a MailMan list.  For various reasons I am 
locked into doing them in HTML for the time being, but will someday take it 
all and put it into TexInfo format.  Please feel free to send me feedback.

--chris

--
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
  Christopher G. Kolar
    Director of Instructional Technology
    Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois
  ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu/~ckolar
         [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72]




From mgallo at clark.fix.net  Tue Feb 15 23:59:21 2000
From: mgallo at clark.fix.net (M. Gallo)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:59:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Any way to enforce global settings for mailman?
Message-ID: <20000215145921.C12440@clark.fix.net>

Mailman will let list administrators set the "maximum length of a
message body" for their own lists, but I want to override
individual list administrators and set the maximum length on a
global basis for all the lists on my system.  Is there currently
any way to do this?  I haven't found any place to make global
settings.

-- 
M. Gallo                                           mgallo at fix.net
FIX Net                                              805/781.6301
Network Operations Engineer



From jrappold at SCOCA-K12.ORG  Wed Feb 16 03:24:11 2000
From: jrappold at SCOCA-K12.ORG (John Rappold)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PLEASE Help!...Relay problem/RH6.0/Sendmail
Message-ID: <NDBBJCDCCKHMKODGNHCDMELICBAA.jrappold@scoca-k12.org>

Geem I hate to be whiny but I need to get this fixed pronto.

My lists users can all receive list mail, but those who are posting from
ISPs outside of our state education network can neither subscribe or post
(some lists were setup with auto subscriptions, and they can get the list
mail)

I've asked them to send the error messages they are receiving from their
server. Everyone of them say User Unknown Relaying denied.

I'm fairly new to Linux and do not yet know all the ins and outs of
sendmail. Can somone out there PLEAASE tell me exactly how to fix this? I'm
running RH6.0 and sendmail. Also, this server is a secondary mail server on
our network, very few accounts, mainly setup as a mailman server.

A big TIA.

Thanks,
John

----------------------------------------------
John Rappold
Cisco Academy Regional Coordinator/Webmaster
South Central Ohio Computer Association
http://www.scoca-k12.org




From stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch  Wed Feb 16 09:35:05 2000
From: stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch (Stefan Neuenschwander)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:35:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin guide v0.2 now online
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000214164237.00a9aef0@admin.aurora.edu>
References: <4.2.2.20000214164237.00a9aef0@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <v04210102b4d0107a0079@[130.92.7.149]>

At 16:53 Uhr -0600 14.02.2000, Christopher Kolar wrote:
>Hello everyone.  It has been a while since I last updated the 
>information, but I have finally gotten around to making revisions to 
>my first attempt at MailMan documentation.  The second versions of 
>the list administrator's guide and quick reference are now online at:
>	www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman

thank you for this help. I think you have more knowledge - if you 
have even written a manual - than we have about mailman, so I ask you 
this:
Is there a way to prevent mailman for a specific list from sending a 
"goodbye message" when deleting subscribers? We have a list of about 
1000 profs and some do not understand why they get some strange mail 
when their mailaddress is changing or when they are retired.

University of Berne / Switzerland
S. Neuenschwander




From jwing at pliantsystems.com  Wed Feb 16 17:24:33 2000
From: jwing at pliantsystems.com (John Wingenbach)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:24:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing email into mailman
Message-ID: <38AACF41.DEF8CF0C@pliantsystems.com>

I would like to import a netscape mailfile into mailman so it can appear in the
archive.  The mailfile is in the typical mailbox format.  Any idea how I can
accomplish this without ruining the messages..or making it appear as only a
single message?

--
John C. Wingenbach
Pliant Systems, Inc.
Sr. Systems Administrator
Work: (919) 405-4627
Fax:  (919) 405-4544






From lucile.fievet at alcove.fr  Wed Feb 16 18:11:57 2000
From: lucile.fievet at alcove.fr (Lucile Fievet)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:11:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing email into mailman
In-Reply-To: <38AACF41.DEF8CF0C@pliantsystems.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0002161804140.2228-100000@leman.alcove-int>

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, John Wingenbach wrote:

I see one solution :
	You write a litle (perl) script that take the netscape mail in
	netscape directory (you can also save it in a file) and put it in
	the right place with right format..



> I would like to import a netscape mailfile into mailman so it can appear in the
> archive.  The mailfile is in the typical mailbox format.  Any idea how I can
> accomplish this without ruining the messages..or making it appear as only a
> single message?
> 
> --
> John C. Wingenbach
> Pliant Systems, Inc.
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Work: (919) 405-4627
> Fax:  (919) 405-4544
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

      111      Lucile Fievet 
 110 /  ,-.011   Ing?nieur en Informatique Libre
101 |o / o| 010   Email : lucile.fievet at alcove.fr
 100`-'__/ 001   Alc?ve - L'informatique est libre 
      000      Site Web : http://www.alcove.fr




From wim at pranata.com  Wed Feb 16 18:23:58 2000
From: wim at pranata.com (Wim Pranata)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:23:58 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing /mailman/ from URLs
In-Reply-To: <20000214165644.A19402@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002170422200.17258-100000@ryoohki.pranata.com>

On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Danny Yee wrote:

> Demian Hanks wrote:
> > You may want to drop the index.html, and just go with:
> > http://list.domain.com/ == /listinfo.cgi or whatever.
> 
> > I was going to setup an index.html, but it seems pointless since 
> > listinfo already generates a page for you, although you may have 
> > some other reason I'm not awary of.
> 
> Yep, that makes sense.
> 
> > I use a regex to redirect "exact / /listinfo.cgi"
>  
> > I believe that the apache syntax is: 
> > Redirect / http://list.domain.com/listinfo.cgi
>  
> Unfortunately this Redirect interferes with the
> 	ScriptAlias / /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
> (Whichever one comes first stops the other doing anything.) 
> 
> The combination
> 	DocumentRoot /var/mailman/cgi-bin
> 	Options ExecCGI
> doesn't work, since the cgi-bin scripts aren't identified as scripts.
> I could put in explicit ScriptAliases for every entry in cgi-bin, or
> maybe rename all the files with .cgi extensions.  Do any Apache gurus
> have a nicer solution?

I'm not sure this is the right way to do it but it works fine here :)

<VirtualHost x.x.x.x>
    ServerName lists.mydomain.com
    Redirect /index.html http://lists.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo
    DocumentRoot /home/mailman/
    ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/home/mailman/cgi-bin/"
    Alias /pipermail/ "/home/mailman/archives/public/"
    ErrorLog /var/log/httpd/lists-error.log
    TransferLog /var/log/httpd/lists-access.log
</VirtualHost>


wim




From andyh at littoralis.co.uk  Wed Feb 16 18:23:17 2000
From: andyh at littoralis.co.uk (Andy Holyer)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:23:17 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list options under script control?
Message-ID: <NCBBKAANOJABOPJBKCGPMEMFEFAA.andyh@littoralis.co.uk>

OK, here's what I'd like to do. I can appreciate the steps necessary, but I
don't know python, which means I don't know exactly what to do.

I need to set the options for a site from a program, rather than from the
web page. This is because we run a number of sites, each of which should
have a postmaster-only list associated with it. To add a new site, I need to
specifically run newlist, edit /etc/aliases, run newaliases, then go to the
new list's web page to change the options. Id' like all of this to run from
the script which adds a new site.

I realise that I need to modify ~mailman/lists/listname/config.db (I think?
I may have the filename/path wrong - I looked this up yesterday). However I
can't find the fragment of python code which does this. Any hints would be
gratefully received.

Regards,

Andy Holyer, Learn the Internet Ltd., Lewes, UK




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Wed Feb 16 18:29:54 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:29:54 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing email into mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from John Wingenbach <jwing@pliantsystems.com> 
   of "Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:24:33 EST." <38AACF41.DEF8CF0C@pliantsystems.com> 
Message-ID: <E12L8Gw-0003aL-00@rioja.localnet>

If it really is mailbox (mbox) format - ie each message separated by a 
"From<space>user date", then just give that file to the mailman arch 
program as per any other archive.

[NB keep a copy in case you ever have need to rebuild the archives - 
new messages are kept in the archive/private/listname.mbox directory 
but original files are not kept by arch (although it does not delete 
them) - this can be painful as I recently found]

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From robin at GoldenWare.com  Wed Feb 16 19:23:32 2000
From: robin at GoldenWare.com (Robin L. Goldworm)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:23:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to send attachments using mailman?
Message-ID: <4.1.20000216132250.00935890@success>

 "Work like you don't need the money,
   Love like you've never been hurt,
   And dance like no one's watching..."
   -Unknown-     




From francis at misti.lared.net.pe  Wed Feb 16 19:41:26 2000
From: francis at misti.lared.net.pe (Crisogono Francisco Rubio N.)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:41:26 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin passwd doesn't change
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161245400.22206-100000@misti.lared.net.pe>

Hi all

I have recently installed Mailman, migrating from Majordomo, and till now
I am happy with the new features Mailman has. Nevertheless, I have found a
little problem with the list admin passwords, I cannot always change them
from the web interface. I was just only able to change the password of one
list once, but it hasn't worked with the other lists since then.

Does anyone know how can I effectively change the list admin passwords?
Why is it not working?

Sincerely,

Francisco Rubio N.






From giordano at on.aibn.com  Wed Feb 16 20:45:21 2000
From: giordano at on.aibn.com (Andre Giordano)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:45:21 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination
Message-ID: <38AAFE51.E0910310@on.aibn.com>

I have one little thing to workout , Each time I send a message I gets
help for "Implicit Destination" but correct me if I am wrong but I
turned off  "Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones
that seem to be administrative requests? "

Can anyone give me a hand with this ?


--
Sincerely,

Andr? Giordano
Bell Nexxia Inc.
Tel: (819) 773-4938
Email: giordano at on.aibn.com





From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Wed Feb 16 20:19:23 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:19:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin passwd doesn't change
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161245400.22206-100000@misti.lared.net.pe>; from francis@misti.lared.net.pe on Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 01:41:26PM -0500
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161245400.22206-100000@misti.lared.net.pe>
Message-ID: <20000216201923.A2817@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Crisogono Francisco Rubio N. wrote on 950704886:
> Hi all
> 
> I have recently installed Mailman, migrating from Majordomo, and till now
> I am happy with the new features Mailman has. Nevertheless, I have found a
> little problem with the list admin passwords, I cannot always change them
> from the web interface. I was just only able to change the password of one
> list once, but it hasn't worked with the other lists since then.
> 
> Does anyone know how can I effectively change the list admin passwords?
> Why is it not working?

What is happening exactly? Do you get an error message? Or does Mailman
say all was right but changed nothing? Maybe you could send us the
database file of your list, it might help us to solve your problem.

regards,
Gerrit.

-- 
cat: /home/gerrit/.signature: No such file or directory



From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Wed Feb 16 20:31:07 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:31:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing list options under script control?
In-Reply-To: <NCBBKAANOJABOPJBKCGPMEMFEFAA.andyh@littoralis.co.uk>; from andyh@littoralis.co.uk on Wed, Feb 16, 2000 at 05:23:17PM -0000
References: <NCBBKAANOJABOPJBKCGPMEMFEFAA.andyh@littoralis.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20000216203107.B2817@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Andy Holyer wrote on 950718197:
> OK, here's what I'd like to do. I can appreciate the steps necessary, but I
> don't know python, which means I don't know exactly what to do.

If you are a programmer, learning Python can be done within an hour!
http://www.python.org/doc/current/tut/tut.html. Without this little
knowledge, I recommend not to program Mailman...

> I need to set the options for a site from a program, rather than from the
> web page. This is because we run a number of sites, each of which should
> have a postmaster-only list associated with it. To add a new site, I need to
> specifically run newlist, edit /etc/aliases, run newaliases, then go to the
> new list's web page to change the options. Id' like all of this to run from
> the script which adds a new site.
> 
> I realise that I need to modify ~mailman/lists/listname/config.db (I think?
> I may have the filename/path wrong - I looked this up yesterday). However I
> can't find the fragment of python code which does this. Any hints would be
> gratefully received.

The Save() method does that. It saves all attributes of the instance in
a file. So all list options are attributes of the class instance.

Either from the interactive or from the non-interactive Python
interpreter, you can access the list through a class.

First, you need to add the mailman directory to sys.path:
>>> sys.path.insert(0, '/local/mailman')

Next, you can import the modules. Note that 'Mailman' is a package.
>>> from Mailman import MailList, Utils

You can create the instance now. 'postal' is the name of the list.
The second argument, 'lock', can be either 0 or 1: 1 when you are
going to change things, like you, 0 if not.
>>> l = MailList.MailList('postal', lock=1)

You can set options now, like:
>>> l.moderated = 1
>>> l.owner = "postmaster at nl.linux.org"

Etc...
In the source code, see the GetConfigInfo() method for information
about the configuration info.

For programming Mailman, you'll need to know about Mailmans internals;
have you already read the paper on this?

regards,
Gerrit.

-- 
cat: /home/gerrit/.signature: No such file or directory



From hstropez at mail.linknet.it  Wed Feb 16 22:13:29 2000
From: hstropez at mail.linknet.it (hstropez)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:13:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Italy -  Real estate
Message-ID: <38AB12F9.B98809BB@linknet.it>

Hotel SAINT TROPEZ ***                   http:www.itwg.com/itw11731.asp
Dir. Fam. Egidio Gatta                            E-mail:
hstropez at linknet.it
Via Massalombarda, 19
http://www.romagna.com/saint.tropez
 I-48020 Lido di Savio
Tel: 0039-0544-949007 oder 939702
FAX: 0039-0544-939702
Ravenna Italy
The modernly hotel Saint Tropez is to be found in a central area, 20
metre from the beach, no intermiediary roads to cross. Particulary well
cured cuisine offering choice of men? an vegetable/salat buffet as well
as a morning breakfast buffet.
SPECIAL OFFER 2000
These offers are valid for bookings received before 30th April 2000
FREE MOTORWAY
Lit. 50.000 VIA CARD per car
FREE BAEACH FACILITIES
1 beach-umbrella and 2 sunbeds free, per room
Value Lit. 150.000 per weck.
DISCOUNTS FOR CHILDREN
Offer valid all summer for children sharing with two adults
Children up to the age of 11: 50% discount
Children between the ages of 12 & 15: 25% discount
These are cumulative offers and are valid for a minimum stay of 7 nights

Confirmation of booking and Lit 300.000 deposit required
We hope this can be of interest to you and would be happy to have you
among our guests.
Kinds regards,
GATTA Family





From tekton at planetphat.com  Wed Feb 16 22:52:00 2000
From: tekton at planetphat.com (Jamie Krasnoo)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:52:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Damn spammer - isnt this using mailman? Re: [Mailman-Users] Italy
 -  Real estate
In-Reply-To: <38AB12F9.B98809BB@linknet.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161350320.4849-100000@ns.planetphat.com>

Damn spammer, maybe we should look at the Spam Article at Perl.com.

Jamie Krasnoo
webmaster at planetphat.com

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, hstropez wrote:

> Hotel SAINT TROPEZ ***                   http:www.itwg.com/itw11731.asp
> Dir. Fam. Egidio Gatta                            E-mail:
> hstropez at linknet.it
> Via Massalombarda, 19
> http://www.romagna.com/saint.tropez
>  I-48020 Lido di Savio
> Tel: 0039-0544-949007 oder 939702
> FAX: 0039-0544-939702
> Ravenna Italy
> The modernly hotel Saint Tropez is to be found in a central area, 20
> metre from the beach, no intermiediary roads to cross. Particulary well
> cured cuisine offering choice of men? an vegetable/salat buffet as well
> as a morning breakfast buffet.
> SPECIAL OFFER 2000
> These offers are valid for bookings received before 30th April 2000
> FREE MOTORWAY
> Lit. 50.000 VIA CARD per car
> FREE BAEACH FACILITIES
> 1 beach-umbrella and 2 sunbeds free, per room
> Value Lit. 150.000 per weck.
> DISCOUNTS FOR CHILDREN
> Offer valid all summer for children sharing with two adults
> Children up to the age of 11: 50% discount
> Children between the ages of 12 & 15: 25% discount
> These are cumulative offers and are valid for a minimum stay of 7 nights
> 
> Confirmation of booking and Lit 300.000 deposit required
> We hope this can be of interest to you and would be happy to have you
> among our guests.
> Kinds regards,
> GATTA Family
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From giordano at on.aibn.com  Wed Feb 16 22:49:24 2000
From: giordano at on.aibn.com (Andre Giordano)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:49:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to Listinfo
Message-ID: <38AB1B64.36C7DD2B@on.aibn.com>

Is there any way to password protect the lisinfo page that the
subscribers get ? I was thinking of protecting it with an htaccess file
but I realised that it is controlled with a CGI script , anybody know
how to password protect this page so I don't get flooded by strangers
requesting to be on a internal mailing list...

thanks

--
Sincerely,

Andr? Giordano
Bell Nexxia Inc.
Tel: (819) 773-4938
Email: giordano at on.aibn.com





From tekton at planetphat.com  Wed Feb 16 23:06:57 2000
From: tekton at planetphat.com (Jamie Krasnoo)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:06:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to Listinfo
In-Reply-To: <38AB1B64.36C7DD2B@on.aibn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161406180.5035-100000@ns.planetphat.com>

The option is in the privacy page. You can restrict the viewing to members
only or just the admin.

Jamie Krasnoo
webmaster at planetphat.com

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Andre Giordano wrote:

> Is there any way to password protect the lisinfo page that the
> subscribers get ? I was thinking of protecting it with an htaccess file
> but I realised that it is controlled with a CGI script , anybody know
> how to password protect this page so I don't get flooded by strangers
> requesting to be on a internal mailing list...
> 
> thanks
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> 
> Andr? Giordano
> Bell Nexxia Inc.
> Tel: (819) 773-4938
> Email: giordano at on.aibn.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From francis at misti.lared.net.pe  Wed Feb 16 23:17:25 2000
From: francis at misti.lared.net.pe (Crisogono Francisco Rubio N.)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:17:25 -0500 (PET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List admin passwd doesn't change
In-Reply-To: <20000216201923.A2817@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161712150.6237-101000@misti.lared.net.pe>

Hi Gerrit

> What is happening exactly? Do you get an error message? Or does Mailman
> say all was right but changed nothing? 

I do not get any error message or any message at all. It seems that
everything worked fine but when you try to access the admin pages the
password is still the old one.

> Maybe you could send us the database file of your list, it might help us
> to solve your problem.

I am attaching the smallest database of all my lists.

Thanks,

Francisco Rubio
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From giordano at on.aibn.com  Wed Feb 16 23:17:53 2000
From: giordano at on.aibn.com (Andre Giordano)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:17:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to Listinfo
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161406180.5035-100000@ns.planetphat.com>
Message-ID: <38AB2211.D2F2B720@on.aibn.com>

Ya , but the person can still try to subscribe to the mailing list. I want to
restrict full access to the web page.

Jamie Krasnoo wrote:

> The option is in the privacy page. You can restrict the viewing to members
> only or just the admin.
>
> Jamie Krasnoo
> webmaster at planetphat.com
>
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>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Andre Giordano wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to password protect the lisinfo page that the
> > subscribers get ? I was thinking of protecting it with an htaccess file
> > but I realised that it is controlled with a CGI script , anybody know
> > how to password protect this page so I don't get flooded by strangers
> > requesting to be on a internal mailing list...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > --
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Andr? Giordano
> > Bell Nexxia Inc.
> > Tel: (819) 773-4938
> > Email: giordano at on.aibn.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

--
Sincerely,

Andr? Giordano
Bell Nexxia Inc.
Tel: (819) 773-4938
Email: giordano at on.aibn.com





From stever at seawingsub.com  Wed Feb 16 23:51:56 2000
From: stever at seawingsub.com (Steve Ruby)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:51:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to Listinfo
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161406180.5035-100000@ns.planetphat.com> <38AB2211.D2F2B720@on.aibn.com>
Message-ID: <38AB2A0C.A4F12B65@seawingsub.com>


Put the stuff you would otherwise put into the .htaccess file
into a 
<Location /blah/blah>
directive if you are using apache.

You can put it in your access.conf or if you are running mailman on
a virtual domain put it inside the virual directive.

Andre Giordano wrote:
> 
> Ya , but the person can still try to subscribe to the mailing list. I want to
> restrict full access to the web page.
> 
> Jamie Krasnoo wrote:
> 
> > The option is in the privacy page. You can restrict the viewing to members
> > only or just the admin.
> >
> > Jamie Krasnoo
> > webmaster at planetphat.com
> >
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> > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Andre Giordano wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any way to password protect the lisinfo page that the
> > > subscribers get ? I was thinking of protecting it with an htaccess file
> > > but I realised that it is controlled with a CGI script , anybody know
> > > how to password protect this page so I don't get flooded by strangers
> > > requesting to be on a internal mailing list...
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Andr? Giordano
> > > Bell Nexxia Inc.
> > > Tel: (819) 773-4938
> > > Email: giordano at on.aibn.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> 
> Andr? Giordano
> Bell Nexxia Inc.
> Tel: (819) 773-4938
> Email: giordano at on.aibn.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From tekton at planetphat.com  Wed Feb 16 23:58:14 2000
From: tekton at planetphat.com (Jamie Krasnoo)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:58:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting access to Listinfo
In-Reply-To: <38AB2211.D2F2B720@on.aibn.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161454490.5035-100000@ns.planetphat.com>

Whether you restrict the page or not, they'd still be able to subscribe
unless you disable the <list>-request , just make it so you have to
approve anyone who subscribes. Thats not the best solution but unfortunaly
its the only one I see. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Jamie Krasnoo
webmaster at planetphat.com
-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Andre Giordano wrote:

> Ya , but the person can still try to subscribe to the mailing list. I want to
> restrict full access to the web page.
> 
> Jamie Krasnoo wrote:
> 
> > The option is in the privacy page. You can restrict the viewing to members
> > only or just the admin.
> >
> > Jamie Krasnoo
> > webmaster at planetphat.com
> >
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> > Version: PGP 6.5.2
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> > =l6MB
> > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Andre Giordano wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any way to password protect the lisinfo page that the
> > > subscribers get ? I was thinking of protecting it with an htaccess file
> > > but I realised that it is controlled with a CGI script , anybody know
> > > how to password protect this page so I don't get flooded by strangers
> > > requesting to be on a internal mailing list...
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Andr? Giordano
> > > Bell Nexxia Inc.
> > > Tel: (819) 773-4938
> > > Email: giordano at on.aibn.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> 
> Andr? Giordano
> Bell Nexxia Inc.
> Tel: (819) 773-4938
> Email: giordano at on.aibn.com
> 
> 




From jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu  Thu Feb 17 02:24:13 2000
From: jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu (Joan Coyne)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:24:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Mailman on a Virtual Host
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000216202408.009898f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net>

Bill,
  I went ahead and made the changes to my configure and configure.in files.
 WHen I run configure, I get through the checks for the new mailman UID and
GID, but it stops at the next step which is where it checks the directory
permisiions.    The error I get says:

  File "conftest.py", line 4, in ?
    mailmangid=vuser
NameError: vuser
cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory
configure: error:
***** Installation directory /usr/home/<mylogin>/usr/home/mailman is not
configured properly!

But when I check the directory, the permissions are set just as they are
supposed to be according to the install (d rwx rws r-x, right?).  

What is the NameError?   Did I miss someplace else where I was supposed to
change the GID?  

Thanks,
Joan



From jmackenzie at local.ie  Thu Feb 17 11:46:28 2000
From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:46:28 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Mailman Archives
Message-ID: <00021710471800.03284@samsara.local.ie>

Does anyone Know Why I'm getting this message?
I'm rather baffled at this stage
Thanks
- John


----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
Subject: Cron <mailman at localweb> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:27:02 GMT
From: root at localweb.local.ie (Cron Daemon)


List clare-crier has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/clare-crier
List dublin-music has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/dublin-music
List dublin-news has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/dublin-news
List interact has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/interact
List foroige-notes has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/foroige-notes
List kiltegan-newsletter has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/kiltegan-newsletter
List longford-lore-old has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/longford-lore-old
List roscommon-reporter has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/roscommon-reporter
List shillelagh-times has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/shillelagh-times
List louth-letter has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/louth-letter
List competition has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/competition
List local-ancestors has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/local-ancestors
List eircomlearning-newsscan has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/eircomlearning-newsscan
List eircomlearning-update has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/eircomlearning-update
-------------------------------------------------------

-- 

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From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Thu Feb 17 12:41:12 2000
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:41:12 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news to list, list to news
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000217182334.30699B-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

hi all,

at some point before, my list-news/news-list worked perfectly.  But now it
doesn't.  The configuration is 'yes' for 'posts to mailinglist resent to
the newsgroup' and 'newsgroup posts not sent from list be resent to list'
(i didn't change a thing).  i looked in the mailman/logs, maillog, and
news logs, but found no errors relating to that.  Of course i don't know
what i'm looking for, but I did check them for unusuals right after i send
a test post, but still nothing.  (what should i be looking for?)

fyi, it's mailman 1.1, sendmail, python 1.5... 

A Iqbal Santyaswardan
iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id




From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Thu Feb 17 13:18:35 2000
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:18:35 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <00021710471800.03284@samsara.local.ie>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000217191454.30699D-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

My turn to answer this.... :)

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, John MacKenzie wrote:

> Does anyone Know Why I'm getting this message?
> I'm rather baffled at this stage
> Thanks
> - John
> 
> List foroige-notes has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/foroige-notes
[snip]

Answer: if a list has no message in it, you will be rewarded like so.  To
eliminate this problem, I usually just post some sort of 'Grand Opening of
List' message to every list I make.  

A Iqbal Santyaswardan
iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id




From jmackenzie at local.ie  Thu Feb 17 12:50:35 2000
From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:50:35 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000217191454.30699D-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>
References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000217191454.30699D-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>
Message-ID: <00021711512503.03284@samsara.local.ie>

Ok , thanks for the info, 
However It now brings me to another issue, That being that M<ailman Doesn't
appear to Be archiving.
Any ideas?
Regards
- John


On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, A Iqbal Santyaswardan wrote:
> My turn to answer this.... :)
> 
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, John MacKenzie wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone Know Why I'm getting this message?
> > I'm rather baffled at this stage
> > Thanks
> > - John
> > 
> > List foroige-notes has a bogus archive_directory: /home/mailman/archives/private/foroige-notes
> [snip]
> 
> Answer: if a list has no message in it, you will be rewarded like so.  To
> eliminate this problem, I usually just post some sort of 'Grand Opening of
> List' message to every list I make.  
> 
> A Iqbal Santyaswardan
> iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id
-- 

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From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Thu Feb 17 13:26:45 2000
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:26:45 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems With Mailman Archives
In-Reply-To: <00021711512503.03284@samsara.local.ie>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000217192339.30699F-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, John MacKenzie wrote:

> Ok , thanks for the info, 
> However It now brings me to another issue, That being that M<ailman Doesn't
> appear to Be archiving.
> Any ideas?
> Regards
> - John

Really?  Did you check on the 'archival options' page?  If the setting is
to archive every month, and you just installed a few days ago, chances are
it hasn't had a chance to archive yet.  To test, you might want to change
it to weekly or daily basis, post some test messages, and see if it still
doesn't do it.

A Iqbal Santyaswardan
iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id




From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Thu Feb 17 15:49:10 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:49:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news to list, list to news
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000217182334.30699B-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>; from iqbal95@student.te.ugm.ac.id on Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 06:41:12PM +0700
References: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000217182334.30699B-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>
Message-ID: <20000217154910.A944@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

A Iqbal Santyaswardan wrote on 950809272:
> hi all,
> 
> at some point before, my list-news/news-list worked perfectly.  But now it
> doesn't.  The configuration is 'yes' for 'posts to mailinglist resent to
> the newsgroup' and 'newsgroup posts not sent from list be resent to list'
> (i didn't change a thing).  i looked in the mailman/logs, maillog, and
> news logs, but found no errors relating to that.  Of course i don't know
> what i'm looking for, but I did check them for unusuals right after i send
> a test post, but still nothing.  (what should i be looking for?)

Are you sure your nntp server still works correctly? Is an
ordinary news client able to fetch and post messages from and
to the news server your mail-news gateway uses?

> fyi, it's mailman 1.1, sendmail, python 1.5... 

regards,
Gerrit.

-- 
cat: /home/gerrit/.signature: No such file or directory



From fil at bok.net  Thu Feb 17 17:29:41 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:29:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] playing with mailcmd
Message-ID: <20000217172941.A14795@orwell.bok.net>

Hi,

I like to have an address list-on at server for users to subscribe by email. I
finally found how to do it: just by adding the following line in
/etc/aliases

listname-on: "|formail -I 'Subject: subscribe' |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd listname"

It evidently works with any command you might want to try (-off for
unsubscribe, -stop for nomail, etc).

* However, I have a problem with mailcmd: it seems that it takes the address
* not on the "From:" or "Reply-To:" lines, but on the "From" line. This is
* not good behaviour, as this line is quite often not the real email address
* of the user, but its POP address.

Then adding these lines automatically to the output of bin/newlist is the
following simple patch. Enjoy!

*** newlist     Thu Feb 17 17:25:28 2000
--- newlist-dist        Thu Feb 17 17:21:55 2000
***************
*** 110,142 ****
      print '''
  Entry for aliases file:
  
  ## %(listname)s mailing list
  ## created: %(date)s %(user)s
  %(list)s "|%(wrapper)s post %(listname)s"
  %(admin)s "|%(wrapper)s mailowner %(listname)s"
  %(request)s "|%(wrapper)s mailcmd %(listname)s"
  %(owner1)s %(listname)s-admin
  %(owner2)s %(listname)s-admin
- %(on)s "|formail -I'Subject: subscribe'|%(wrapper)s mailcmd %(listname)s"
- %(off)s "|formail -I'Subject: unsubscribe'|%(wrapper)s mailcmd %(listname)s"
  ''' % {'listname': list_name,
         'list'    : "%-24s" % (list_name + ":"),
         'wrapper' : '%s/wrapper' % mm_cfg.WRAPPER_DIR,
         'admin'   : "%-24s" % ("%s-admin:" % list_name),
         'request' : "%-24s" % ("%s-request:" % list_name),
         'owner1'  : "%-24s" % ("owner-%s:" % list_name),
         'owner2'  : "%-24s" % ("%s-owner:" % list_name),
         'date'    : time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', time.localtime(time.time())),
         'user'    : getusername(),
-        'on'    : "%-24s" % ("%s-on:" % list_name),
-        'off'      : "%-24s" % ("%s-off:" % list_name),
         }
  
      if len(argv) < 5:
        print ("Hit enter to continue with %s owner notification..."
               % list_name),
        sys.stdin.readline()
      sendnotice(newlist, list_name, owner_mail, list_pw)
      newlist.Unlock()
  
  
--- 110,138 ----



From gus at evg.org  Thu Feb 17 18:57:19 2000
From: gus at evg.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:57:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading from rc1
Message-ID: <NDBBJOJNELCGDBLDOICNEECHCMAA.gus@evg.org>

I scanned the msgs since 2 nov 99 and didn't find anything too specific on
upgrading to 1.1

Currently using 1.0rc1 under linux 2.0.32(OLD slackware)
I've read: UPGRADING and README and INSTALL

Am I correct in that I simply install over the top of my existing rc1 as if
this were to be a first time install and then 'make update'?

Is there any way to quickly determine which mail and cgi gid's I originally
used?  apache136 running as web,www.  mail group by default is 'mail'.  I
also have a group called 'mailman' but don't recall if that was used in
production or testing during my first attempted install of rc1.

???
 ~
Gus

ICQ: 762902


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From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Thu Feb 17 23:30:07 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:30:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.2 release date?
Message-ID: <20000217173007.D1811@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Greets all -

I've been lurking for a month now and it sounds like Mailman 1.2 will have many improvments
and features over the current 1.1. release.

I'll be making the transistion from majordomo to mailman but figured it would be best to wait
if 1.2 is around the cornor.

Can anyone here tell me the status of 1.2? Is there a tenitive release day/month/year or
should I just install 1.1 as 1.2 is a ways off still?

Thanks for the help.

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From esew at bokonon.esew.net  Thu Feb 17 23:54:11 2000
From: esew at bokonon.esew.net (Erik S.E. Walum)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:54:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] removing address from multiple lists.
Message-ID: <20000217145411.P12140@bokonon.esew.net>

I'm looking for a way to remove a user from multiple lists.
Currently I'm thinking of using the output of
<prefix>/bin/find_member <email at address> and then passing the 
output of that to <prefix>/bin/remove_users. 

Is this functionality already available elsewhere? 

-- 
Erik Walum <esew at verio.net> 
Internet Systems Engineer
Verio Inc. - ISS Mail Team



From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Fri Feb 18 05:18:45 2000
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:18:45 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news to list, list to news
In-Reply-To: <20000217154910.A944@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000218111643.9525A-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Gerrit Holl wrote:

> A Iqbal Santyaswardan wrote on 950809272:
> > hi all,
> > 
> > at some point before, my list-news/news-list worked perfectly.  But now it
> > doesn't.  The configuration is 'yes' for 'posts to mailinglist resent to
...
> > a test post, but still nothing.  (what should i be looking for?)
> 
> Are you sure your nntp server still works correctly? Is an
> ordinary news client able to fetch and post messages from and
> to the news server your mail-news gateway uses?

Yes, client-to-news, news-to-news, and plain list-to-list works fine.  But
list-to-news or news-to-list won't work.

A Iqbal Santyaswardan
iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id




From michael at valinux.com  Fri Feb 18 07:40:20 2000
From: michael at valinux.com (Michael)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:40:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cookie path
Message-ID: <20000217224020.A8484@valinux.com>

Hello,
I'm trying to change the url path for administrating mailman, to use hostname/mailman/admin/listname.
apache reflects this as does mm_cfg.py, but when you enter your password the cookie that gets set has the path /cgi-bin/mailman/ (and since that doesn't match the current url, any attempts to do anything result in another password request).
I've looked in the obvious places (*.py) and I don't see any variables that still point to /cgi-bin/ (excepting hard drive paths) and SecurityManager.py seems to use the url it's called from (at least that's what I make out of "urlparse(self.web_page_url)" but I'm not a python expert...).
What am I overlooking?
mailman is 1.1
python is 1.5.2

Thanks.

-- 
     "it's a dirty job,
but someone said I have to do it."
  - sys admin magazine



From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Fri Feb 18 07:39:35 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:39:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.2 release date?
In-Reply-To: <20000217173007.D1811@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 05:30:07PM -0500
References: <20000217173007.D1811@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20000218073935.A762@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

Scott Russell wrote on 950805007:
> Greets all -
> 
> I've been lurking for a month now and it sounds like Mailman 1.2 will have many improvments
> and features over the current 1.1. release.
> 
> I'll be making the transistion from majordomo to mailman but figured it would be best to wait
> if 1.2 is around the cornor.
> 
> Can anyone here tell me the status of 1.2? Is there a tenitive release day/month/year or
> should I just install 1.1 as 1.2 is a ways off still?

www.python.org already runs 1.2, but an experimental version. But it runs
very well. I think you could get the latest CVS snapshot and put that on
your site.

regards,
Gerrit.

-- 
cat: /home/gerrit/.signature: No such quote or joke



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Feb 18 18:14:19 2000
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:14:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.2 release date?
References: <20000217173007.D1811@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
	<20000218073935.A762@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <14509.32235.116077.938975@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

I've been convinced by a number of people to get a 1.2 release out
sooner rather than later.  It will be primarily a bug and security
patch release.  It will contain the new architecture for message
delivery and bounce detection, but not I18N or user databases.  I
can't guarantee a release date, but expect to see betas Soon.

-Barry



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Fri Feb 18 19:59:20 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:59:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.2 release date?
In-Reply-To: <14509.32235.116077.938975@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us on Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 12:14:19PM -0500
References: <20000217173007.D1811@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000218073935.A762@stopcontact.palga.uucp> <14509.32235.116077.938975@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <20000218135920.A6883@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Barry -

Thanks much for the response. The whole reason I feel like waiting is because 
of bounce handling (I hate administrivia!). Also, I would like to see 'support' for postfix
which is the MTA I'm currently using. From reading the lists it seems Mailman works better
with some MTAs than others.

-- Scott

On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 12:14:19PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> I've been convinced by a number of people to get a 1.2 release out
> sooner rather than later.  It will be primarily a bug and security
> patch release.  It will contain the new architecture for message
> delivery and bounce detection, but not I18N or user databases.  I
> can't guarantee a release date, but expect to see betas Soon.
> 
> -Barry
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From ke at gnu.franken.de  Fri Feb 18 21:28:36 2000
From: ke at gnu.franken.de (Karl EICHWALDER)
Date: 18 Feb 2000 21:28:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: List admin passwd doesn't change
In-Reply-To: "Crisogono Francisco Rubio N."'s message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:41:26 -0500 (PET)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161245400.22206-100000@misti.lared.net.pe>
Message-ID: <sh3dqqtfuz.fsf@tux.gnu.franken.de>

"Crisogono Francisco Rubio N." <francis at misti.lared.net.pe> writes:

|   Does anyone know how can I effectively change the list admin passwords?
|   Why is it not working?

Don't use Netscape (or enable cookie support) -- that's what I learnt
the last weekend.  The README should address this "problem" ;-)

-- 
work : ke at suse.de                          |
     : http://www.suse.de/~ke/             |          ------    ,__o
home : ke at gnu.franken.de                   |         ------   _-\_<,
     : http://www.franken.de/users/gnu/ke/ |        ------   (*)/'(*)




From hstropez at mail.linknet.it  Sun Feb 20 04:22:16 2000
From: hstropez at mail.linknet.it (hstropez)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:22:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #485 - 3 msgs
References: <20000219170006.608621CF3F@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <38AF5DE7.7BA5914A@linknet.it>


mailman-users-request at python.org ha scritto:

> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>         mailman-users at python.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         mailman-users-request at python.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Mailman 1.2 release date? (Barry A. Warsaw)
>   2. Re: Mailman 1.2 release date? (Scott Russell)
>   3. Re: List admin passwd doesn't change (Karl EICHWALDER)
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.2 release date?
> Data: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:14:19 -0500 (EST)
> Da: "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us>
> A: Gerrit <gerrit at nl.linux.org>
> CC: Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com>,
>      mailman-users at python.org
> Referenze: <20000217173007.D1811 at bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
>      <20000218073935.A762 at stopcontact.palga.uucp>
>
> I've been convinced by a number of people to get a 1.2 release out
> sooner rather than later.  It will be primarily a bug and security
> patch release.  It will contain the new architecture for message
> delivery and bounce detection, but not I18N or user databases.  I
> can't guarantee a release date, but expect to see betas Soon.
>
> -Barry
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.2 release date?
> Data: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:59:20 -0500
> Da: Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com>
> A: "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us>
> CC: mailman-users at python.org
> Referenze: <20000217173007.D1811 at bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <20000218073935.A762 at stopcontact.palga.uucp> <14509.32235.116077.938975 at anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
>
> Barry -
>
> Thanks much for the response. The whole reason I feel like waiting is because
> of bounce handling (I hate administrivia!). Also, I would like to see 'support' for postfix
> which is the MTA I'm currently using. From reading the lists it seems Mailman works better
> with some MTAs than others.
>
> -- Scott
>
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 12:14:19PM -0500, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> >
> > I've been convinced by a number of people to get a 1.2 release out
> > sooner rather than later.  It will be primarily a bug and security
> > patch release.  It will contain the new architecture for message
> > delivery and bounce detection, but not I18N or user databases.  I
> > can't guarantee a release date, but expect to see betas Soon.
> >
> > -Barry
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> --
> Regards,
>  Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
>  Linux Technology Center, System Admin
>  Red Hat Certified Engineer
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Re: List admin passwd doesn't change
> Data: 18 Feb 2000 21:28:36 +0100
> Da: Karl EICHWALDER <ke at gnu.franken.de>
> A: "Crisogono Francisco Rubio N." <francis at misti.lared.net.pe>
> CC: mailman-users at python.org
> Referenze: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002161245400.22206-100000 at misti.lared.net.pe>
>
> "Crisogono Francisco Rubio N." <francis at misti.lared.net.pe> writes:
>
> |   Does anyone know how can I effectively change the list admin passwords?
> |   Why is it not working?
>
> Don't use Netscape (or enable cookie support) -- that's what I learnt
> the last weekend.  The README should address this "problem" ;-)
>
> --
> work : ke at suse.de                          |
>      : http://www.suse.de/~ke/             |          ------    ,__o
> home : ke at gnu.franken.de                   |         ------   _-\_<,
>      : http://www.franken.de/users/gnu/ke/ |        ------   (*)/'(*)
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From lww at ictech.net  Fri Feb 18 23:38:32 2000
From: lww at ictech.net (Bill Warner)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:38:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Installing Mailman on a Virtual Host
In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000216202408.009898f0@pop.ne.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20000218173127.044f2490@pop.ictech.net>

At 08:24 PM 2/16/00 -0500, Joan Coyne wrote:
>***** Installation directory /usr/home/<mylogin>/usr/home/mailman is not
>configured properly!
>
>But when I check the directory, the permissions are set just as they are
>supposed to be according to the install (d rwx rws r-x, right?).

Right.

>What is the NameError?   Did I miss someplace else where I was supposed to
>change the GID?

Could be; it's hard to say without seeing the files.  Here are the diffs 
that I use (remember to change <server-login> before trying to use these):

*** configure.dist      Thu Jul 22 16:06:49 1999
--- configure   Sat Oct  2 18:53:02 1999
***************
*** 1073,1079 ****
       cat > conftest.py <<EOF
   import pwd, string
   uid = ''
! for user in string.split("mailman"):
       try:
           try:
             uid = pwd.getpwuid(int(user))[0]
--- 1073,1079 ----
       cat > conftest.py <<EOF
   import pwd, string
   uid = ''
! for user in string.split("<server-login>"):
       try:
           try:
             uid = pwd.getpwuid(int(user))[0]
***************
*** 1116,1122 ****
       cat > conftest.py <<EOF
   import grp, string
   gid = ''
! for group in string.split("mailman"):
       try:
           try:
             gid = grp.getgrgid(int(group))[2]
--- 1116,1122 ----
       cat > conftest.py <<EOF
   import grp, string
   gid = ''
! for group in string.split("vuser"):
       try:
           try:
             gid = grp.getgrgid(int(group))[2]




*** configure.in.dist   Thu Jul 22 16:06:49 1999
--- configure.in        Tue Oct  5 14:26:12 1999
***************
*** 169,175 ****

   # User `mailman' must exist
   AC_MSG_CHECKING(for mailman UID)
! MM_FIND_USER_ID(MAILMAN_UID, mailman)
   if test -z "$MAILMAN_UID"
   then
       AC_MSG_ERROR([
--- 169,175 ----

   # User `mailman' must exist
   AC_MSG_CHECKING(for mailman UID)
! MM_FIND_USER_ID(MAILMAN_UID, <server-login>)
   if test -z "$MAILMAN_UID"
   then
       AC_MSG_ERROR([
***************
*** 182,188 ****

   # Group `mailman' must exist
   AC_MSG_CHECKING(for mailman GID)
! MM_FIND_GROUP_ID(MAILMAN_GID, mailman)
   if test -z "$MAILMAN_GID"
   then
       AC_MSG_ERROR([
--- 182,188 ----

   # Group `mailman' must exist
   AC_MSG_CHECKING(for mailman GID)
! MM_FIND_GROUP_ID(MAILMAN_GID, vuser)
   if test -z "$MAILMAN_GID"
   then
       AC_MSG_ERROR([

--Bill




From rcozzani at zia.ms.it  Sat Feb 19 11:26:55 2000
From: rcozzani at zia.ms.it (Riccardo Cozzani)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:26:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in admin section
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002191124540.19930-100000@icaro.zia.ms.it>

I've seen the previous post about the same problem, but even I upgraded
python to version 1.5.2-13, I still receive the following error:

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted

Could someone help me?

Thanks.

Riccardo




From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Sat Feb 19 21:53:39 2000
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:53:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Problems
In-Reply-To: <14509.32235.116077.938975@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <20000219205352.E956327804@mail.kinfolk.org>

I have one list the refuses to let me do anything with the admin 
interface. I can log in with either the site or list password, but any 
time I try to submit any changes, it simply returns me to the password 
screen. 

This only happens on ONE list out of 15 that I have on my server. Any 
insights or help will be greatly appreciated. I really am hoping that I 
don't have to delete this list and re-create it as it has over a year 
worth of archives and about 200 members.

Thanks in advance for your help.

--Richard


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Feb 21 18:44:10 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:44:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] %(field)s in footers of list msgs
Message-ID: <20000221124410.A3273@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

All - (This bounced the first time, if it's a dup sorry!)

I'm looking to have the url to the list members options page appear in the email footer of
each message from the list. An example might be: (Assuming this message was sent to me at
'scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com')

  http://mail.host.com/mailman/options/mylist/scottrus--at--raleigh.ibm.com

Based on the %(field)s vars I do know I can do this much:

  %(web_page_url)soptions%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s/<member_name??>--at--<member_host??>

I need to know the right %(field) vars for <member_name??> and <member_host??> Looking though
the code I've found and tried these vars in the footers: (They don't work for footers
evidently.)

%(listadmin)s
%(admin_url)s
%(got_list_email)s
%(got_listinfo_url)s
%(got_request_email)s
%(got_owner_email)s
%(request)s
%(owner2)s
%(subject)s
%(sender)s
%(member)s
%(addr)s
%(listname)s
%(admin_email)s
%(adminaddr)s
%(requestaddr)s
%(real_name)s
%(host_name)s
%(owneraddr)s
%(listinfo_url)s
%(version)s
%(hostname)s
%(owner)s
%(useraddr)s
%(optionsurl)s

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Mon Feb 21 17:41:25 2000
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:41:25 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in admin section
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002191124540.19930-100000@icaro.zia.ms.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.1000221174057.39798g-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Riccardo Cozzani wrote:

> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
>     lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
>     self.Lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
>     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted

Do you use any special kernel patches, like solar designers with secure
links ?

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Feb 21 06:23:04 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:23:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer %(fields) in 1.2 CVS version
Message-ID: <20000221002304.D24078@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

All -

I'm looking to have the url to the list members options page appear in the email footer of
each message from the list. An example might be: (Assuming this message was sent to me at
'scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com')

  http://mail.host.com/mailman/options/mylist/scottrus--at--raleigh.ibm.com

Based on the %(field)s vars I do know I can do this much:

  %(web_page_url)soptions%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s/<member_name??>--at--<member_host??>

I need to know the right %(field) vars for <member_name??> and <member_host??> Looking though
the code I've found and tried these vars in the footers: (They don't work for footers
evidently.)

%(listadmin)s
%(admin_url)s
%(got_list_email)s
%(got_listinfo_url)s
%(got_request_email)s
%(got_owner_email)s
%(request)s
%(owner2)s
%(subject)s
%(sender)s
%(member)s
%(addr)s
%(listname)s
%(admin_email)s
%(adminaddr)s
%(requestaddr)s
%(real_name)s
%(host_name)s
%(owneraddr)s
%(listinfo_url)s
%(version)s
%(hostname)s
%(owner)s
%(useraddr)s
%(optionsurl)s

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Feb 21 18:49:59 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:49:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in admin section
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002191124540.19930-100000@icaro.zia.ms.it>; from rcozzani@zia.ms.it on Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 11:26:55AM +0100
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002191124540.19930-100000@icaro.zia.ms.it>
Message-ID: <20000221124959.A3313@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

It might be a permissions problem looking at this:

>> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted

Maybe run /home/mailman/bin/check_perms or clear the (stale?) <listname>.lock files. BEWARE!
I've only started using Mailman this week so take my advice with caution!

:)

-- Scott

On Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 11:26:55AM +0100, Riccardo Cozzani wrote:
> 
> I've seen the previous post about the same problem, but even I upgraded
> python to version 1.5.2-13, I still receive the following error:
> 
> Traceback:
> 
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
>     lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
>     self.Lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
>     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
> 
> Could someone help me?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Riccardo
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From lug at forge.dorm.duke.edu  Sat Feb 19 20:19:35 2000
From: lug at forge.dorm.duke.edu (lug at forge.dorm.duke.edu)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:19:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] shell won't let sendmail use wrapper
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002191417530.919-100000@forge.dorm.duke.edu>

This is weird- if anyone has any ideas, please email me.  Probably the
most interesting is the line about sh:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at forge.dorm.duke.edu>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable

Thanks
-Luke




From rcozzani at zia.ms.it  Mon Feb 21 17:47:45 2000
From: rcozzani at zia.ms.it (Riccardo Cozzani)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:47:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in admin section
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.96.1000221174057.39798g-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002211747070.1409-100000@icaro.zia.ms.it>

> Do you use any special kernel patches, like solar designers with secure
> links ?

ops... yes, it's hurt? How can I turn around it?

Thanks,

Riccardo




From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Mon Feb 21 18:05:27 2000
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:05:27 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error in admin section
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002211747070.1409-100000@icaro.zia.ms.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.1000221180511.39798h-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Riccardo Cozzani wrote:

> 
> > Do you use any special kernel patches, like solar designers with secure
> > links ?
> 
> ops... yes, it's hurt? How can I turn around it?

You have to turn off the secure links option... :(

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Sat Feb 19 06:07:15 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'auto' mode for new subscribers?
Message-ID: <20000219000715.A17221@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Mailmen -

I installed 1.2 from CVS today and noticed there does not appear to 
be no 'auto' option (as majordomo has) for the var 'subscribe_policy'.
I don't want/need a confirmation for each sub request. I just want the
subscription to be automatically approved and the list welcome message
to be sent.

Is this a planned feature or does someone have a clean patch for this?

The mailing lists I run will be internal to my company so confirmation
of subscriptions is not a large concern. (In fact it's been noted on the
current majordomo lists that many people are *confused* about the 
confirmation reply!)

A second but related question. Is there a command to email
list-request at here.com that will subscribe a user and not
require that user to confirm the new subscription?

Again, thanks for the help!

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Feb 21 19:07:25 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:07:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Problems 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Richard B. Pyne" <rpyne@kinfolk.org> 
   of "Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:53:39 MST." <20000219205352.E956327804@mail.kinfolk.org> 
References: <20000219205352.E956327804@mail.kinfolk.org> 
Message-ID: <26728.951156445@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:53:39 -0700 
Richard B Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> wrote:

> I have one list the refuses to let me do anything with the admin
> interface. I can log in with either the site or list password, but
> any time I try to submit any changes, it simply returns me to the
> password screen.

Your cookie for the list is likely corrupt.  Delete the cookie, and
then re-try.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Feb 21 19:09:47 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:09:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] %(field)s in footers of list msgs 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Russell <scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com> 
   of "Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:44:10 EST." <20000221124410.A3273@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> 
References: <20000221124410.A3273@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> 
Message-ID: <26790.951156587@kanga.nu>

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:44:10 -0500 
Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com> wrote:

> I'm looking to have the url to the list members options page
> appear in the email footer of each message from the list. 

I don't believe this will work due to the fact that MailMan doesn't
support VERP, and explicitly doesn't support sending broadcast
messages to members individually (it usually sends in bundles of 100
RCPT TOs).

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From claw at kanga.nu  Mon Feb 21 19:14:10 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:14:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'auto' mode for new subscribers? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Russell <scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com> 
   of "Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:15 EST." <20000219000715.A17221@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> 
References: <20000219000715.A17221@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> 
Message-ID: <26896.951156850@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:15 -0500 
Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com> wrote:

> Mailmen - I installed 1.2 from CVS today and noticed there does
> not appear to be no 'auto' option (as majordomo has) for the var
> 'subscribe_policy'.  

Correct.  I suggest going the "require approval" route and then
silently process the approvals without the members knowledge.

> The mailing lists I run will be internal to my company so
> confirmation of subscriptions is not a large concern. (In fact
> it's been noted on the current majordomo lists that many people
> are *confused* about the confirmation reply!)

Not surprised.  Mailing lists are a long way from host based forums.
(I was in Advantis/IBM Tampa)

> A second but related question. Is there a command to email
> list-request at here.com that will subscribe a user and not require
> that user to confirm the new subscription?

Not currently.  The only auto-subscribe method there is at the
moment is for the list owner via the web.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Feb 21 20:31:04 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:31:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'auto' mode for new subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <26896.951156850@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:14:10AM -0800
References: <20000219000715.A17221@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com> <26896.951156850@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000221143104.A3832@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

JC -

That's not a bad idea as a 'work around'. I suppose I could set this up so that procmail
catches the approvals that come to me via mail and does it.

This assumes a bit and may take a perl script to do it but sounds doable.

-- Scott

On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:14:10AM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:07:15 -0500 
> Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > Mailmen - I installed 1.2 from CVS today and noticed there does
> > not appear to be no 'auto' option (as majordomo has) for the var
> > 'subscribe_policy'.  
> 
> Correct.  I suggest going the "require approval" route and then
> silently process the approvals without the members knowledge.
> 
> > The mailing lists I run will be internal to my company so
> > confirmation of subscriptions is not a large concern. (In fact
> > it's been noted on the current majordomo lists that many people
> > are *confused* about the confirmation reply!)
> 
> Not surprised.  Mailing lists are a long way from host based forums.
> (I was in Advantis/IBM Tampa)
> 
> > A second but related question. Is there a command to email
> > list-request at here.com that will subscribe a user and not require
> > that user to confirm the new subscription?
> 
> Not currently.  The only auto-subscribe method there is at the
> moment is for the list owner via the web.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer
 T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416
 Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Mon Feb 21 19:40:44 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:40:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] a more uniform interface to private and public archives
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10002202301470.18165-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

for mailman-1.1, the installation documentation suggests to create, for
example, an 'Alias' path for the web server to the mailman public archives
and a 'ScriptAlias' cgi-bin path to the private archives.

what i'd like to suggest is that we make the interface more uniform by
eliminating the 'Alias' path and access both private and public archives
via a single cgi-bin interface.  if the archive is private we require
authentication, if not we simply bypass the authentication.

i've done this with my mailman installation by doing the following:

- created a new version of the MailMan/Cgi/private.py program
- in mm_cfg.py, set
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'
- these could then be collapsed into one ARCHIVE_URL
- we could also replace 
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR         = os.path.join(PREFIX, 'archives/public')
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR        = os.path.join(PREFIX, 'archives/private')
with one ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR, and we could also get rid of the public and
private subdirectories altogether.

in the new private.py i check listobj.archive_private and if it's set
to 1 i do the usual private authentication as before.  if it's not 1, i
set is_auth to 1 and fall through.  that's it.  very clean and simple.

does anyone see any problems with this?  i think it certainly makes things
more clear and straightforward.

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
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From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Feb 21 20:44:08 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:44:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] shell won't let sendmail use wrapper
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002191417530.919-100000@forge.dorm.duke.edu>; from lug@forge.dorm.duke.edu on Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 02:19:35PM -0500
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002191417530.919-100000@forge.dorm.duke.edu>
Message-ID: <20000221144408.A3943@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

I think you need to put '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper' as a symlink into your /etc/smrsh
directory. Sendmail only trusts programs that are listed there, apparently.

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root           31 Feb 18 19:03 wrapper ->
../../home/mailman/mail/wrapper

-- Scott

On Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 02:19:35PM -0500, lug at forge.dorm.duke.edu wrote:
> This is weird- if anyone has any ideas, please email me.  Probably the
> most interesting is the line about sh:
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at forge.dorm.duke.edu>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable
> 
> Thanks
> -Luke
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Mon Feb 21 21:24:44 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'auto' mode for new subscribers?
In-Reply-To: <20000219000715.A17221@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 12:07:15AM -0500
References: <20000219000715.A17221@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20000221152444.A4349@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

All -

Thanks to the user who noted there was an option in the Defaults.py file for this. Once I
enabled it the 'open list' option appeared on the admin pages. This is a great compromise for
steering newbie list admins to use a 'secure' list setup while at the same time providing
flexible options for admins / environments that want an open list. Maybe this should go into a
FAQ (or maybe it is but I missed it)

Here's what I found in the Mailman/Defaults.py file. To config this option copy these lines
into the Mailman/mm_cfg.py file and use the settings you prefer. (Don't make the changes
directly in the Defaults.py file as this may get overwritten by future updates.) This comes
from version 15 of the Defaults.py file which was provided with Mailman 1.2 experimental from
CVS.

# SUBSCRIBE POLICY
# 0 - open list (only when ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE is set to 1) **
# 1 - confirmation required for subscribes
# 2 - admin approval required for subscribes
# 3 - both confirmation and admin approval required
#
# ** please do not choose option 0 if you are not allowing open
# subscribes (next variable)
DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 1
# does this site allow completely unchecked subscriptions?
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 0

-- Scott

 On Sat, Feb 19, 2000 at 12:07:15AM -0500, Scott Russell wrote:
> Mailmen -
> 
> I installed 1.2 from CVS today and noticed there does not appear to 
> be no 'auto' option (as majordomo has) for the var 'subscribe_policy'.
> I don't want/need a confirmation for each sub request. I just want the
> subscription to be automatically approved and the list welcome message
> to be sent.
> 
> Is this a planned feature or does someone have a clean patch for this?
> 
> The mailing lists I run will be internal to my company so confirmation
> of subscriptions is not a large concern. (In fact it's been noted on the
> current majordomo lists that many people are *confused* about the 
> confirmation reply!)
> 
> A second but related question. Is there a command to email
> list-request at here.com that will subscribe a user and not
> require that user to confirm the new subscription?
> 
> Again, thanks for the help!
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
>  Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
>  Linux Technology Center, System Admin
>  Red Hat Certified Engineer
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer
 T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416
 Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543



From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Mon Feb 21 21:46:20 2000
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard B. Pyne)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:46:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Problems 
In-Reply-To: <26728.951156445@kanga.nu>
References: Message from "Richard B. Pyne" <rpyne@kinfolk.org>    of "Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:53:39 MST." <20000219205352.E956327804@mail.kinfolk.org> 
Message-ID: <20000221204629.D8A8327804@mail.kinfolk.org>

No such luck. This is a problem on only this one list out of 14 lists at 
this domain. Also, I experience the same results from a clean installation 
of Netscape on a freshly set up machine. Also, all of the other 
moderators/admins for this list have the same problem.

-- Richard

On 21 Feb 00, at 10:07, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:53:39 -0700 
> Richard B Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> wrote:
> 
> > I have one list the refuses to let me do anything with the admin
> > interface. I can log in with either the site or list password, but
> > any time I try to submit any changes, it simply returns me to the
> > password screen.
> 
> Your cookie for the list is likely corrupt.  Delete the cookie, and
> then re-try.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


------------------------------
Richard B. Pyne, KB7RMU
rpyne at kinfolk.org
http://pyne.kinfolk.org/rbp2




From diablo at lt.com.ua  Mon Feb 21 22:00:48 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:00:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate to another language
Message-ID: <13958.000221@lt.com.ua>

Hello mailman-users,

  How i can translate web-interface of mailman to another language?
  for sample, i want switch interface to russian, or ukrainian,
  how i can do this right?

------------
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | UA, Kherson, LT | 263119





From marcelo at ucongreso.edu.ar  Mon Feb 21 22:25:59 2000
From: marcelo at ucongreso.edu.ar (Marcelo Roccasalva)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:25:59 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] secure links patch?
Message-ID: <20000221182559.E7516@ucongreso.edu.ar>

Hello,

Is there a patch planned or available to use mailman with secure links kernel
patch?

TIA,

--
Marcelo



From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Mon Feb 21 23:27:12 2000
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:27:12 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] translate to another language
In-Reply-To: <13958.000221@lt.com.ua>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002212323570.9012-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Gelfandbein Boris wrote:

> Hello mailman-users,
> 
>   How i can translate web-interface of mailman to another language?
>   for sample, i want switch interface to russian, or ukrainian,
>   how i can do this right?
> 
There is work in progress to give Mailman multilanguage support. Actually
Barry is fighting through the BIG diffs at the moment to get everything
into the main code. 

Meanwhile, you can start doing the translations if you can sign the
propper GNU asignments. (We must assign CopyRigth on Mailman work to the
Free Software Fundation). If you feel like collaborating, please contact
Juan Carlos Rey (jcrey at uma.es), he'll get you started.

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From atropos at fates.org  Tue Feb 22 03:20:01 2000
From: atropos at fates.org (David B. O'Donnell)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:20:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] <no subject>
Message-ID: <B4D75C81.9058%atropos@fates.org>

Paul Tomblin wrote on 5 January 2000:
>Quoting Garret Krampe (garret at satix.net):
>> Blargh !
>> It was not permissions at all !
>> Something about the latest sendmail that stops this from working !
>> 
>> I think my lists have been down long enough !
>> 
>> I'll have to use majordomo or retro grade the sendmail install !
>> 
>> OS Redhat 5.1 2.0.34 kernel
>> sendmail from RH 6.1 (source)
>> 
>> wrapper gives "service not available" from mailer-daemon
>
>Something tells me I'm going to have to set up a bot that whenever a mail
>message mentions RedHat or sendmail 5.9, it just responds with:
>
>cd /etc/smrsh
>ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper
>
>This is getting extremely tedious, especially since it's in the install
>documentation.

If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion to the developers:

Add the smrsh lines to README.LINUX, and be more explicit in the "Problems"
section of INSTALL. It will help both folks who don't spend the time poring
over every word of the documentation and those of us who, after spending 24+
hours straight setting up a machine after a hard drive died, are on the edge
of exhaustion and would appreciate things being a little more obvious.

--David O'Donnell - atropos at fates.org




From rodolfo at linux.org.uy  Tue Feb 22 03:52:41 2000
From: rodolfo at linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:52:41 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman
Message-ID: <38B1F9F9.92C939B@linux.org.uy>

I have the following problems:



1) my mail server (sendmail) is  mail.domain.com   and the mail address
are @domain.com but the mailman uses @mail.domain.com   How I can delete
the word 'mail' from the addresses of lists/owner/admin ??




2) the newlist show me a text to include into the /etc/aliases.  I have
just include it and run newaliases command,  but when I write to an
owner-list@ I receive the following error return message:

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/var/spool/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pruebas"
    (expanded from: pruebas-admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/var/spool/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pruebas"... unknown
mailer
error 2

    [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ]



3) And when I reply to a subscription confirmation I receive a local
configuration error:

The original message was received at Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:54:35 -0300
   from wwwrun at localhost

      ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
   pruebas-request at mail.domain.com




4) Is there are any hello_web_page for mailman?  Or I need to include
links at my portal_page to admin and listinfo CGIs??



I use SuSE Linux 6.3


Can you help me??


-- 

Rodolfo Pilas                          rodolfo at linux.org.uy
:~ #find . -iname "que" -type F | xargs grep "cuando" | cut
-t "donde" | grep "quien" > esto\ es\ la\ realidad!

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.12
GCM d- s:+ a C+++ UL+++ P+++ L++ E--- W++ N+ o-- K w--- O++
M+ V- PS- PE Y-- PGP t+ 5-- X R tv+ b DI D++ G+ e++ h+ r y* 
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------



From webmaster at planetphat.com  Tue Feb 22 04:42:41 2000
From: webmaster at planetphat.com (Jamie Krasnoo)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:42:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Sendmail 8.10 Beta 12 - sorry if its a bit redundant
Message-ID: <HGEKLLBHDPGHIOLEDMPGIEBECFAA.webmaster@planetphat.com>

Many of you who have upgraded to the new Beta version of sendmail have had
or are still having problems getting mailman to run. The problem lies with
smrsh itself. I had asked for help on the sendmail news group and had
received an answer quite promptly on how to fix the problem and get Sendmail
to play nice with Mailman.

With the new smrsh, the directory to put links in to allow programs to run
was moved.

from default /etc/smrsh (this is what I had) to /usr/adm/sm.bin
you can keep this and create new links or copy the compiled programs in to
that directory, or you can change it.

To change it you:
cd /wherever/sendmail-8.10.0.Beta12/smrsh
vi/emacs/other_editor smrsh.c

locate this bit of code

/* directory in which all commands must reside */
#ifndef CMDDIR
# define CMDDIR         "/usr/adm/sm.bin"
#endif /* ! CMDDIR */

and change it to wherever you like

recompile by doing ./Build
and install by doing ./Build install

See if mailman runs correctly. If not look in your maillog and see what the
problem is. Most likely it will be sendmail complaining about the
wrapper/script wanting the wrong gid.

Feb 20 13:58:51 doink Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 12, GOT gid 2.  (Reconfigure to take 2?)

If that's the case you have to reinstall mailman.

run ./configure --with-mail-gid=<what number it wants>
run make install

test and have fun


Jamie
webmaster at planetphat.com




From Danielle.Moorhead at ericsson.com.au  Tue Feb 22 07:06:58 2000
From: Danielle.Moorhead at ericsson.com.au (Danielle Moorhead (EPA))
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:06:58 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archived attachments not converting
Message-ID: <4B6BC00CD15FD2119E5F0008C7A419A5038AEC5B@eaubrnt018.epa.ericsson.se>

Hi!

We use mailman distribution lists to send out attachments to people around
the world.  I noticed that these attachments when viewed in the archives
using Netscape are showing in line rather than converting to an attachment
you can read.  Is there anything I can do to change this?  Most of the email
addresses in the lists are accessed using Outlook, and I also send out the
attachments using this program.

Hope someone can help....
Cheers,
Danielle.
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From m.keller at orcasoft.ch  Tue Feb 22 07:53:14 2000
From: m.keller at orcasoft.ch (Markus Keller OrcaSoft)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:53:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000b01bf7d01$9aaf9220$f23723d4@markus.orcasoft.ch>

Hi list

I have two serious problems with the template files in mailman 1.1:

1. I can not change the settings of the files subscribe.html and
handle_opts.html. If I set the bgcolor in the body tag to black, the
background is always white. Strange but the HTML file is OK, the
source code in the browser shows me the body tag with the
background and I can not find any fault. The problem seems
to be independent from the browsers. I have the
same error with Netscape and IE. Any idea?

2. I have special german characters in my *.txt files. Mailman works
fine. I have added some text in french in verify.txt and now users can
not subscribe any longer. Mailman reports a bug and says that there
is an invalid character. What can I do, to support even french characters?

Thanks for Your help.

Markus





From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Feb 22 08:08:54 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:08:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archived attachments not converting
In-Reply-To: <4B6BC00CD15FD2119E5F0008C7A419A5038AEC5B@eaubrnt018.epa.ericsson.se> from "Danielle Moorhead (EPA)" at Feb 22, 2000 05:06:58 PM
Message-ID: <200002220708.BAA11723@lorien.mallorn.com>

> We use mailman distribution lists to send out attachments to people around
> the world.  I noticed that these attachments when viewed in the archives
> using Netscape are showing in line rather than converting to an attachment
> you can read.  Is there anything I can do to change this?  Most of the email
> addresses in the lists are accessed using Outlook, and I also send out the
> attachments using this program.

pipermail will not extract MIME types and display them in an appropriate
format via the Web, so you need to look towards an external archiver
for this type of functionality.

Take a look at the PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER definition in your mm_cfg.py
file.

I recommend using MHonArc (available at

   http://www.mhonarc.org/

) for this type of thing -- it's a fully MIME-aware, flexible archiver.

Chris



From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Feb 22 08:19:29 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:19:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman
In-Reply-To: <38B1F9F9.92C939B@linux.org.uy> from "Rodolfo Pilas" at Feb 21, 2000 11:52:41 PM
Message-ID: <200002220719.BAA11870@lorien.mallorn.com>

> 1) my mail server (sendmail) is  mail.domain.com   and the mail address
> are @domain.com but the mailman uses @mail.domain.com   How I can delete
> the word 'mail' from the addresses of lists/owner/admin ??

You need to define your masquerade as host.  Generally this is done 
by changing the DM definition to something like

   DMexample.com

in your sendmail.cf, then restarting sendmail.

> 2) the newlist show me a text to include into the /etc/aliases.  I have
> just include it and run newaliases command,  but when I write to an
> owner-list@ I receive the following error return message:
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/var/spool/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pruebas"
>     (expanded from: pruebas-admin)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/var/spool/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pruebas"... unknown
> mailer
> error 2

Does syslog say anything extra, like "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid
x, GOT gid y"?  If so, you need to recompile Mailman with the

   --with-mail-gid=y 

option to the configure script.

> 3) And when I reply to a subscription confirmation I receive a local
> configuration error:

That's because step #2 failed.

> 4) Is there are any hello_web_page for mailman?  Or I need to include
> links at my portal_page to admin and listinfo CGIs??

Unfortunately, no.  The closest thing that you can find is

   http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

Chris



From cyeo at horizon.sk.ca  Tue Feb 22 09:10:17 2000
From: cyeo at horizon.sk.ca (Chris Yeo)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 02:10:17 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman
Message-ID: <312C42840280D211A80E00E018906FB712D155@mail1.internal.horizon.sk.ca>

Now correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem that you would be able to
change the "Host name this list prefers" to whatever your want it to display
on the from domain.

Here is the excerpt from the help...

host_name (general): Host name this list prefers. 
The host_name is the preferred name for email to mailman-related addresses
on this host, and generally should be the mail host's exchanger address, if
any. This setting can be useful for selecting among alternative names of a
host that has multiple addresses. 





I use this on a single machine where I have multiple domains that also use
mailman for mailing lists.

Have a great day.

Chris Yeo
Network Specialist
Horizon Computer Solutions
-----Original Message-----
	From:	Christopher P. Lindsey [SMTP:lindsey at mallorn.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, February 22, 2000 1:19 AM
	To:	rodolfo at linux.org.uy
	Cc:	mailman-users at python.org
	Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman

	> 1) my mail server (sendmail) is  mail.domain.com   and the mail
address
	> are @domain.com but the mailman uses @mail.domain.com   How I can
delete
	> the word 'mail' from the addresses of lists/owner/admin ??

	You need to define your masquerade as host.  Generally this is done 
	by changing the DM definition to something like

	   DMexample.com

	in your sendmail.cf, then restarting sendmail.

	> 2) the newlist show me a text to include into the /etc/aliases.  I
have
	> just include it and run newaliases command,  but when I write to
an
	> owner-list@ I receive the following error return message:
	> 
	>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
	> "|/var/spool/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pruebas"
	>     (expanded from: pruebas-admin)
	> 
	>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
	> 554 "|/var/spool/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner pruebas"...
unknown
	> mailer
	> error 2

	Does syslog say anything extra, like "Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid
	x, GOT gid y"?  If so, you need to recompile Mailman with the

	   --with-mail-gid=y 

	option to the configure script.

	> 3) And when I reply to a subscription confirmation I receive a
local
	> configuration error:

	That's because step #2 failed.

	> 4) Is there are any hello_web_page for mailman?  Or I need to
include
	> links at my portal_page to admin and listinfo CGIs??

	Unfortunately, no.  The closest thing that you can find is

	   http://www.example.com/mailman/listinfo

	Chris

	------------------------------------------------------
	Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
	http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From diablo at lt.com.ua  Tue Feb 22 10:49:47 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:49:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suply password
Message-ID: <16492.000222@lt.com.ua>

Hello mailman-users,

  i try to subscribe to list via www,
  i enter valid e-mail & password, i got this:

---------------------------
You must supply a valid email address.
You must supply a valid password, and confirm it.
---------------------------

there i wrong?
  

---
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | UA, Kherson, LT | 263119





From lindsey at mallorn.com  Tue Feb 22 16:36:29 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:36:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up mailman
In-Reply-To: <312C42840280D211A80E00E018906FB712D155@mail1.internal.horizon.sk.ca> from "Chris Yeo" at Feb 22, 2000 02:10:17 AM
Message-ID: <200002221536.JAA17651@lorien.mallorn.com>

> Now correct me if I am wrong, but it would seem that you would be able to
> change the "Host name this list prefers" to whatever your want it to display
> on the from domain.

You can do it this way, but it's not the cleanest solution.  It also won't
work in an environment that already does masquerading improperly (if DM
is set to hostname.example.com in your sendmail.cf, for example).  In a 
case like that, the only thing that host_name changes is the value in 
your List-Id: and X-BeenThere headers.

If you have no control over your sendmail.cf, then it's definitely worth
trying host_name (although I know that at my site and several others this
feature is commented out to prevent user ignorance from messing things
up).  

But if anyone ever changes the masquerade host in sendmail, it will 
immediately override any of the settings specified in your Mailman config.
For this reason I'm in favor of changing things only through sendmail when
possible -- a canonical setting makes administration so much easier.

> Have a great day.

I'll try...  :)

Chris



From gus at evg.org  Tue Feb 22 18:37:28 2000
From: gus at evg.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:37:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading from rc1
In-Reply-To: <20000218150911.A2039@mail.dskk.co.jp>
Message-ID: <NDBBJOJNELCGDBLDOICNAEEJCMAA.gus@evg.org>

is there any other way to find this out?  I'd already killed my source tree
after a month of running successfully.  I apparently didn't get the correct
gid when I updated to 1.1final.. all the mail accounts on the server that
are subscribed to a mailman list appear to be having their permissions
changed.

--/var/adm/messages--
Feb 22 08:11:17 evg sendmail[16489]: IAA16489: from=<root at evg.org>,
size=243, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<Pine.LNX.3.93.1000222081110.16486A-100000 at evg.org>, proto=SMTP,
relay=root at localhost
Feb 22 08:11:18 evg procmail[16491]: Enforcing stricter permissions on
"/var/spool/mail/gus"
Feb 22 08:12:14 evg sendmail[16490]: IAA16489: to=<gus at evg.org>,
ctladdr=<root at evg.org> (0/0), delay=00:00:57, xdelay=00:00:57, mailer=local,
stat=Can't create output: Error 0

--(and the bounce email back to root)--
   ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications -----
<gus at evg.org>  (unrecoverable error)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
procmail: Enforcing stricter permissions on "/var/spool/mail/gus"
procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/mail/gus.lock"
procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/mail/gus"
550 <gus at evg.org>... Can't create output: Error 0



I untarred my rc1 on top of the newer 1.1 in hopes to have the old wrapper
running again but it appears not to have given me a temp solution to the
mail errs.

Thanks for the help folks!    (No Sarcasm <tm>)

Gus
mailto:egus at efn.org



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at dskk.co.jp]
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 10:09 PM
To: Eric Gus
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrading from rc1


On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 09:57:19AM -0800, Eric Gus wrote:
> Am I correct in that I simply install over the top of my existing rc1 as
if
> this were to be a first time install and then 'make update'?

Yes.  You may also need to copy additional templates to each list
subdirectory.

> Is there any way to quickly determine which mail and cgi gid's I
originally
> used?  apache136 running as web,www.  mail group by default is 'mail'.  I
> also have a group called 'mailman' but don't recall if that was used in
> production or testing during my first attempted install of rc1.

An easy way is to look at the top of the 'config.status' file in your old
build directory.  The arguments you used for ./configure will be in the top
comment block.

Jim
--
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo
Python Starship     http://starship.python.org/crew/jwt/




From jbaddor at crossworld.echo.org  Tue Feb 22 21:01:47 2000
From: jbaddor at crossworld.echo.org (Jean-Bernard ADDOR)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:01:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] WEB administration of lists no more working
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002221449160.14544-100000@crossworld.uqat.uquebec.ca>

Hey Mailman people !

We upgrated our site to v1.1 from 1.0rc3 last week, and since that time we
are no more able to administrate via the web interface most of our lists.
(We have a test list which is fine).

For the most of our lists, we can reach the administrative page, with the
admin password. The problem occures then we send back the modified
formulary: mailman ask the password again and send the un modified page
another time, all modifications are losts. A little problem also occures
then we try to go from one admin page to another, it asks for the password
every time, 1.0rc3 didn't do that.

We are sure it is not a cookies problem from our web client, as one test
list is working fine.

If you have any idea how make it works, please send it to us as soon as
possible. Thanks.

	Jean-Bernard





From cory at ooc.com  Tue Feb 22 19:53:18 2000
From: cory at ooc.com (Cory Winter)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:23:18 -0330
Subject: [Mailman-Users] prioritized replies?
Message-ID: <20000222152318.A5626@mail.ooc.nf.ca>

Hi,

We manage a rather large list which has a number of people who
are reponsible for answering posts to the list. These people 
however are not all interested in receiving mailman admin mail.

Is it possible to prioritize the order in which mailman sends
out posts to the list of subscribers? This way, people who 
need to receive the mail first can get it quickly, before
general subscribers receive the mail.

Take care,
Cory

-- 
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Wouldn't this then allow anyone to remove the user?

wouldn't this then allow anyone to change the users settings?

hmm,

sounds dangerous to me.



> Jerry, I assume that what this does is "give everyone the same
> password", yes?  That's not quite "disabling passwords", although
> it's perhaps useful...
> 
> > This is my password hack it seems to work.
> > 
> > In the directory home/mailman/Mailman/ there is a file called Utils.py.
> > 
> > on line 567 or around there you will see:
> > 
> > def MakeRandomPassword(length=4):
> >     password = ""
> >     while len(password) < length:
> >         password = password + GetRandomSeed()
> >     password = password[:length]
> >     return password
> > 
> > insert a value for password that you will give to all of you members.
> > Something intuitive like e-mail or mail, or whatever. Then comment out the
> > following lines:
> > 
> > #    while len(password) < length:
> > #        password = password + GetRandomSeed()
> > #    password = password[:length]
> > 
> > 
> >   This only really works when the bulk of your people subscribe and
> > unsubscribe via e-mail. I haven't had the time to figure out how to insert
> > the generic password into the web interface.  If you can please E-mail me.
> > 
> > Good Luck,
> > Jerry
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Oliver Gassner
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 6:08 AM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] FAQ? Mailman without passwords.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > HI,
> > 
> > I am sure this is a FAQ but could someone direct me to the
> > answer?
> > 
> > Is it possible to oparate mailman without subscriber-passwords?
> > 
> > Some newbies react badly to someone sending them passwords every
> > month or forget them or or or.
> > 
> > OG
> > --
> > Die Frage muss eher lauten: Tolerieren Leute, die denken, alle
> > Trekker seien tolerant, die Tatsache, dass diese Aussage recht
> > intolerant gegenueber den Intoleranten unter den Fans ist?
> > > -> Garantiert Trek-Freie Zone: http://www.carpe.com/lit/
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 





From jerry at scoregroup.com  Wed Feb 23 02:16:05 2000
From: jerry at scoregroup.com (Jerry Thomas)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of outgoing connections to open at once?
Message-ID: <NDBBJKMNEKAHLOEDNFLBEEMCCBAA.jerry@scoregroup.com>

Number of outgoing connections to open at once?

Can anybody explain how this works? I have a very large distribution list I
am running and sendmail it balks after 17,000.

Thank You,
Jerry Thomas




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Feb 23 02:55:18 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:55:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] <no subject>
Message-ID: <200002230155.RAA14987@utopia.West.Sun.COM>

> >Something tells me I'm going to have to set up a bot that whenever a mail
> >message mentions RedHat or sendmail 5.9, it just responds with:
> >
> >cd /etc/smrsh
> >ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper wrapper
> >
> >This is getting extremely tedious, especially since it's in the install
> >documentation.
> 
> If I may be so bold as to make a suggestion to the developers:
> 
> Add the smrsh lines to README.LINUX, and be more explicit in the "Problems"
> section of INSTALL. It will help both folks who don't spend the time poring
> over every word of the documentation and those of us who, after spending 24+
> hours straight setting up a machine after a hard drive died, are on the edge
> of exhaustion and would appreciate things being a little more obvious.

The message has "554" right in it.  Searching for "554" in the
documentation finds the right answer immediately.

It's hard to imagine how "shuffling the order" is going to help
people read docs.  You don't have to read everything in sequence
and remember it to use documentation in a random-access fashion;
that's what careful noting of the error message and "grep" are
for.




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Feb 23 03:37:38 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Number of outgoing connections to open at once?
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJKMNEKAHLOEDNFLBEEMCCBAA.jerry@scoregroup.com>
References: <NDBBJKMNEKAHLOEDNFLBEEMCCBAA.jerry@scoregroup.com>
Message-ID: <20000222213738.B26493@xcski.com>

Quoting Jerry Thomas (jerry at scoregroup.com):
> Number of outgoing connections to open at once?
> 
> Can anybody explain how this works? I have a very large distribution list I
> am running and sendmail it balks after 17,000.
> 

If you use an MTA like postfix, qmail or exim, you probably want to set that
to 1.  If you use sendmail, you want to make it a big enough number that you
get some parallelism, but small enough that it still puts all the connections
to the same destination in the same group.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.

'Usenet "belongs" to those who administer the hosts of which it is comprised'
 - RFC 1036, draft revision



From Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com  Wed Feb 23 04:54:26 2000
From: Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:54:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attaching to Messages
In-Reply-To: <20000223034423.AEDD01CD15@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBKKLHEPCPMPINAADKEEEJCEAA.Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com>

is it possible to attach something to the bottom of each of the message sent
out to the list users?




From lindsey at mallorn.com  Wed Feb 23 06:39:47 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:39:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attaching to Messages
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKKLHEPCPMPINAADKEEEJCEAA.Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com> from "Jeff Fiegel" at Feb 22, 2000 10:54:26 PM
Message-ID: <200002230539.XAA32056@lorien.mallorn.com>

> is it possible to attach something to the bottom of each of the message sent
> out to the list users?

Yes, although I'd recommend staples against paper clips.  That way the
footers are less likely to be lost when it goes through your relay.  And
avoid Post-it notes at all costs -- they tend to clog the routers.

Sorry, couldn't resist.  :) 

Now for a real answer...

If you take a look at the "Regular-member (non-digest) Options" in the
Web-based admin pages you'll see textboxes to add a header and/or a footer
to outgoing messages.

Chris



From ke at gnu.franken.de  Wed Feb 23 06:57:28 2000
From: ke at gnu.franken.de (Karl EICHWALDER)
Date: 23 Feb 2000 06:57:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: WEB administration of lists no more working
In-Reply-To: Jean-Bernard ADDOR's message of "Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:01:47 -0500 (EST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10002221449160.14544-100000@crossworld.uqat.uquebec.ca>
Message-ID: <shema4jwaf.fsf@tux.gnu.franken.de>

Jean-Bernard ADDOR <jbaddor at crossworld.echo.org> writes:

Please, verify this recipe:

From: Karl EICHWALDER <ke at gnu.franken.de>
Subject: Re: List admin passwd doesn't change
To: "Crisogono Francisco Rubio N." <francis at misti.lared.net.pe>
Cc: mailman-users at python.org
Date: 18 Feb 2000 21:28:36 +0100

"Crisogono Francisco Rubio N." <francis at misti.lared.net.pe> writes:

|   Does anyone know how can I effectively change the list admin passwords?
|   Why is it not working?

Don't use Netscape (or enable cookie support) -- that's what I learnt
the last weekend.  The README should address this "problem" ;-)

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From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Wed Feb 23 08:28:24 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:28:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tracking down multiple forwards
Message-ID: <20000223082824.A21642@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

Sometimes people use some kind of email forwarding systems/gateway which
makes it impossible to see the original email address to which a message
was posted. This becomes a problem if the user account doesn't exist
anymore and it keeps bouncing back... 
Does anybody know some tricks how to find out what was the originial 
email address? When I used majordomo i used to create a perl script
that send out a message to all list members and put the address of
the destination email address in the subject header so that i could
watch for the message to be bounced and find out exactly who it was...
Maybe mailman could put the destination address hidden in the mail
header, but i'm not sure if that is possible with the way MM sends out
the mail...

Ricardo.





From diablo at lt.com.ua  Wed Feb 23 09:15:55 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:15:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suply password
Message-ID: <1427.000223@lt.com.ua>

Hello ,

  i try to subscribe to list via www,
  i enter valid e-mail & password, i got this:

---------------------------
You must supply a valid email address.
You must supply a valid password, and confirm it.
---------------------------

there i wrong?  

---
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | UA, Kherson, LT | 263119





From jam at jamux.com  Wed Feb 23 13:53:26 2000
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:53:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tracking down multiple forwards 
In-Reply-To: <20000223082824.A21642@miss-janet.com> 
	(Ricardo Kustner; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:28:24 +0100)
Message-ID: <20000223125329.CA139481D@athene.jamux.com>

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>>>>> "[Mailman-Users] tracking down multiple forwards"
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    Ricardo> Hi, Sometimes people use some kind of email forwarding
    Ricardo> systems/gateway which makes it impossible to see the
    Ricardo> original email address to which a message was
    Ricardo> posted. This becomes a problem ...

IMHO it would be useful for the monthly reminders to include in
X-Header fields the address to which the reminder was sent and perhaps
also a list of the lists the reminder reminds of.  Recall that many
bounce messages come back without the message body and with header
recipient addresses having been munged.

	jam

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From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Wed Feb 23 15:39:29 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000b01bf7d01$9aaf9220$f23723d4@markus.orcasoft.ch>; from m.keller@orcasoft.ch on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 07:53:14AM +0100
References: <000b01bf7d01$9aaf9220$f23723d4@markus.orcasoft.ch>
Message-ID: <20000223153929.B2908@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

<quote name="Markus Keller OrcaSoft" date="951202394">
> Hi list
> 
> I have two serious problems with the template files in mailman 1.1:
> 
> 1. I can not change the settings of the files subscribe.html and
> handle_opts.html. If I set the bgcolor in the body tag to black, the
> background is always white. Strange but the HTML file is OK, the
> source code in the browser shows me the body tag with the
> background and I can not find any fault. The problem seems
> to be independent from the browsers. I have the
> same error with Netscape and IE. Any idea?

Can you please select "save file" in netscape and send us the result?

> 2. I have special german characters in my *.txt files. Mailman works
> fine. I have added some text in french in verify.txt and now users can
> not subscribe any longer. Mailman reports a bug and says that there
> is an invalid character. What can I do, to support even french characters?

You should use HTML entities, for example, &eacute; for e-acute. Search
www.w3.org for the solution.

> Thanks for Your help.

No thanks!

regards,
Gerrit.

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Please comment!



From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Wed Feb 23 15:37:44 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:37:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suply password
In-Reply-To: <16492.000222@lt.com.ua>; from diablo@lt.com.ua on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 11:49:47AM +0200
References: <16492.000222@lt.com.ua>
Message-ID: <20000223153744.A2908@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

<quote name="Gelfandbein Boris" date="951216587">
> Hello mailman-users,
> 
>   i try to subscribe to list via www,
>   i enter valid e-mail & password, i got this:
> 
> ---------------------------
> You must supply a valid email address.
> You must supply a valid password, and confirm it.
> ---------------------------

The form must be bogus. The version of the CGI's do not match with
the version of the HTML page. Did you recently upgrade Mailman?
How many lists with how many subscribers are you running? Since
your installation seems to be bogus, consider reintalling (although
it's certainly not needed - it's the easiest way).

regards,
Gerrit.

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Please comment!



From dsouthwick at gibralter.com  Wed Feb 23 16:51:46 2000
From: dsouthwick at gibralter.com (Dan Southwick)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:51:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman ( from SPARC - Solaris7 to i386 - RedHat 6.0 )
Message-ID: <001301bf7e15$e3c7d340$3e04030a@gibralter.com>

I don't know the procedure to move between the two platforms. To make things
even harder on the Red Hat box I'm using MM ver 1.1 and on the SPARC I'm
using MM ver 1.0. I moved the lists and tried many things but I kept getting
bug errors. I might have done it wrong or moved part of what I needed. Any
help will be greatly thanked.

Dan
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Gibralter Data Services
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Jacksonville NC 28540
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From lbedford at wbtsystems.com  Wed Feb 23 17:07:42 2000
From: lbedford at wbtsystems.com (Liam Bedford)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:07:42 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To misbehaving
Message-ID: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E8670198B1@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com>

I have just setup mailman on one of my machines (it's the second
installation
I've got running). This machine has multiple domains on it, and the basic
hostname
(dogma.domain.com) doesn't accept mail for the lists. Which is fine, because
I don't want it to. However, one of the lists has reply-to list set (members
want
it, and it's only a small list). When we get mail from the list, Reply-To:
is
set to dogma.domain.com, even though in the config for the list, the
host_name
variable is set to lbedford.org. What makes even less sense is the fact
that in the footer it gets the host_name wrong. 

Extract from mail headers:
Subject: [Lanparty] testing again
Reply-To: lanparty at dogma.slashnull.org
Sender: lanparty-admin at dogma.slashnull.org
Errors-To: lanparty-admin at dogma.slashnull.org
X-Mailman-Version: 1.1
Precedence: bulk
List-Id: Lan Party... yeah! <lanparty.lbedford.org>
X-BeenThere: lanparty at lbedford.org

Extract from mail footer:
Lanparty mailing list
Lanparty at lbedford.org

(I don't know python, but it seems to be doing the right thing (the reply-to
is set
by the GetListEmail function, which is using mm_cfg.host_name...

Any suggestions (reply to poster isn't an option)?

L.



From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Feb 23 18:05:27 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:05:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] tracking down multiple forwards 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ricardo Kustner <ricardo@rixhq.nu> 
   of "Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:28:24 +0100." <20000223082824.A21642@miss-janet.com> 
References: <20000223082824.A21642@miss-janet.com> 
Message-ID: <9097.951325527@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:28:24 +0100 
Ricardo Kustner <ricardo at rixhq.nu> wrote:

> Hi, Sometimes people use some kind of email forwarding
> systems/gateway which makes it impossible to see the original
> email address to which a message was posted. This becomes a
> problem if the user account doesn't exist anymore and it keeps
> bouncing back...  Does anybody know some tricks how to find out
> what was the originial email address? When I used majordomo i used
> to create a perl script that send out a message to all list
> members and put the address of the destination email address in
> the subject header so that i could watch for the message to be
> bounced and find out exactly who it was...  

You can do the same thing with MailMan's monthly password reminders.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From denes at ppgia.pucpr.br  Wed Feb 23 19:33:50 2000
From: denes at ppgia.pucpr.br (Alexandre Denes dos Santos)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:33:50 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Translating Mailman
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002231530570.19398-100000@sol.ppgia.pucpr.br>

Hi there,

I want to translate all the pages and messages of Mailman to Portuguese. I
think that translating the files in directory templates should work, but I
do not know how to do with the lists that are already created.

Does anyone know how to do it?

Thanks in advance.
Denes
 




From mcarr at macrolink.bc.ca  Wed Feb 23 20:36:32 2000
From: mcarr at macrolink.bc.ca (Mike Carr)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:36:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List mail is bouncing :(
Message-ID: <38B436C0.8F69206C@macrolink.bc.ca>

Heyas all,

I'm having problems getting Mailman up and running. All mail that is
sent to my mailing list is bouncing back with "unknown mailer error 2".
I think the aliases are having problems expanding.

Problems are occuring on a Linux box, sendmail is 8.9.3, python is
1.5.2, mailman is current release.

I will refer to the list as 'mylist'. Mail going to mylist at myhost.com is
bouncing to mylist-admin at myhost.com with mailer error 2. Mail fails
sending to mylist-admin at myhost.com with mailer error 2 as well, and
error messages are sent to postmaster.

Direct quote:
'554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mylist"... unknown mailer
error 2'

[From /etc/aliases]
mylist: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist"
mylist-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mylist"
mylist-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mylist"
owner-mylist: mcarr
mylist-owner: mcarr
[End From]

[From sendmail.cf]
Mprog, P=/bin/sh, F=lsD, A=sh -c $u
[End From]

Help would be appreciated

--
-Mike




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Wed Feb 23 22:15:17 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List mail is bouncing :(
In-Reply-To: <38B436C0.8F69206C@macrolink.bc.ca>; from mcarr@macrolink.bc.ca on Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:36:32AM -0800
References: <38B436C0.8F69206C@macrolink.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <20000223161517.A3086@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Two things to check:

1) Make sure you have the /home/mailman/mail/wrapper program symlinked to /etc/smrsh. You need
to do this if you are running sendmail. Postfix does not appear to need this.

2) As root run tail -f /var/log/maillog then send a message to your list. If you see errors
like: Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 100, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure
to take 99?) it means you compiled Mailman with the wrong options. Rerun the config script
as ./configure --with-mail-gid=XX then make then make install (back things up first of
course.)

-- Scott

 On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:36:32AM -0800, Mike Carr wrote:
> Heyas all,
> 
> I'm having problems getting Mailman up and running. All mail that is
> sent to my mailing list is bouncing back with "unknown mailer error 2".
> I think the aliases are having problems expanding.
> 
> Problems are occuring on a Linux box, sendmail is 8.9.3, python is
> 1.5.2, mailman is current release.
> 
> I will refer to the list as 'mylist'. Mail going to mylist at myhost.com is
> bouncing to mylist-admin at myhost.com with mailer error 2. Mail fails
> sending to mylist-admin at myhost.com with mailer error 2 as well, and
> error messages are sent to postmaster.
> 
> Direct quote:
> '554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mylist"... unknown mailer
> error 2'
> 
> [From /etc/aliases]
> mylist: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mylist"
> mylist-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mylist"
> mylist-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mylist"
> owner-mylist: mcarr
> mylist-owner: mcarr
> [End From]
> 
> [From sendmail.cf]
> Mprog, P=/bin/sh, F=lsD, A=sh -c $u
> [End From]
> 
> Help would be appreciated
> 
> --
> -Mike
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From Thomas.Delaet at advalvas.be  Thu Feb 24 21:13:36 2000
From: Thomas.Delaet at advalvas.be (Thomas Delaet)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:13:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie ?? Problem with wrapper
Message-ID: <38B590F0.F06A57C9@advalvas.be>

Hey everyone,

I set up a mailinglist, when i try to subscribe on the website of my
list i got a confirmation of subscription mail in my mailbox, when i try
to reply to this mail, i got the following error mail in my box :


<test at internal.net>: Command died with status 2:
"/usr/mailman/mail/wrapper post
    test"

I use the postfix mail system and mailman 1.1

Tnx a lot for any help,

Kind Regards,
-- 
Thomas



From ptomblin at xcski.com  Wed Feb 23 21:18:52 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:18:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List mail is bouncing :(
In-Reply-To: <20000223161517.A3086@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
References: <38B436C0.8F69206C@macrolink.bc.ca> <20000223161517.A3086@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20000223151852.A25656@xcski.com>

Quoting Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com):
> Two things to check:
> 
> 1) Make sure you have the /home/mailman/mail/wrapper program symlinked to /etc/smrsh. You need
> to do this if you are running sendmail. Postfix does not appear to need this.

No, he doesn't need to do this.  Note his snippet from sendmail.cf - he's
using /bin/sh instead of smrsh as his prog delivery agent.

> > 
> > [From sendmail.cf]
> > Mprog, P=/bin/sh, F=lsD, A=sh -c $u
> > [End From]


-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.

'Usenet "belongs" to those who administer the hosts of which it is comprised'
 - RFC 1036, draft revision



From mcarr at macrolink.bc.ca  Wed Feb 23 21:43:21 2000
From: mcarr at macrolink.bc.ca (Mike Carr)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:43:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List mail is bouncing :(
References: <38B436C0.8F69206C@macrolink.bc.ca> <20000223161517.A3086@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <38B44669.B6147B11@macrolink.bc.ca>

> 2) As root run tail -f /var/log/maillog then send a message to your list. If you see errors
> like: Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 100, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure
> to take 99?) it means you compiled Mailman with the wrong options. Rerun the config script
> as ./configure --with-mail-gid=XX then make then make install (back things up first of
> course.)

Yup, that was it. Thanks for your help Scott, much obliged.

--
-Mike




From pjh at mccc.edu  Wed Feb 23 21:47:38 2000
From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:47:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieve by web?
In-Reply-To: <38B44669.B6147B11@macrolink.bc.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10002231545570.17835-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>

I didn't find it so I suspect that the answer is no, but
...

Can Mailman be set up so that people can retrieve their
messages from the host that Mailman runs on, via a Web
browser?

Thanks,
Pete




From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Wed Feb 23 21:57:34 2000
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:57:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Retrieve by web?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10002231545570.17835-100000@tecoma.mccc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002231453550.24156-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

Hi Pete,

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Pete Holsberg wrote:
> I didn't find it so I suspect that the answer is no, but
> ...
> Can Mailman be set up so that people can retrieve their
> messages from the host that Mailman runs on, via a Web
> browser?

     Not explicitly.  I mean they can browse through the webified archives
to read the messages, but there isn't a mechanism specifically for reading
and posting. (there may never be) Are you trying to setup an online
community sort-of thing?

     If you just need general webified mail access, you may want to look
into a package like IMP (http://horde.org/imp/).  It's a IMAP-based mail
reader for the web.  Works pretty well on our campus.  YMMV.

						~ Rick ~
--
.oooO "Man with closed Oooo.    Rick C. Niess
(   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
 \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
--\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------





From Roy.Pitchford at minarikcorp.com  Thu Feb 24 08:58:02 2000
From: Roy.Pitchford at minarikcorp.com (Roy Pitchford)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:58:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confiuration Help
Message-ID: <78B9A82C83DDD211824E0008C7916F937894A6@03_porky.minarikcorp.com>

I have installed mailman 1.0 on a Linux 6.1 system.
Everything seems to work except the subscription confirmation replies
bounce.
I don't see an entry in /etc/aliases for the test-request user. Should
something have been created here for the group Test?
What is the mechanism to map these messages to the mailman program?

Any help is appreciated.  Roy




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Thu Feb 24 12:47:23 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:47:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman
Message-ID: <20000224124723.G5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

While I got most parts of Mailman to work with Postfix, I'm having trouble
with this:

<quiz-request at www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>: service unavailable. Command output:
    /usr/sbin/smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs

local delivery is done by procmail, /usr/sbin/smrsh hasn't been used ever
since I changed to Postfix. Any ideas?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
We can't prove that God exists. However, we can prove that if God does
exist, he's pretty good at math. In fact, we can prove that even if
God doesn't exist, he's still pretty good at math.




From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Thu Feb 24 13:00:38 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:00:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20000224124723.G5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>; from R.Hildebrandt@tu-bs.de on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 12:47:23PM +0100
References: <20000224124723.G5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>
Message-ID: <20000224130038.J5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

Am 24.02.2000 um 12:47:23 +0100 schrieb Ralf Hildebrandt folgendes:
> While I got most parts of Mailman to work with Postfix, I'm having trouble
> with this:
> 
> <quiz-request at www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>: service unavailable. Command output:
>     /usr/sbin/smrsh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 
> local delivery is done by procmail, /usr/sbin/smrsh hasn't been used ever
> since I changed to Postfix. Any ideas?

I was able to fix this according to the INSTALL file (added a link in
/var/adm/sm.bin) , but nevertheless I don't understand where /usr/sbin/smrsh
comes into play.

Clarifications, anyone?

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
"Don't let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right."
                                              -- Asimov, "Foundation"




From ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de  Thu Feb 24 14:14:32 2000
From: ma at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (Matthias Andree)
Date: 24 Feb 2000 14:14:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman
In-Reply-To: Ralf Hildebrandt's message of "Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:00:38 +0100"
References: <20000224124723.G5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <20000224130038.J5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>
Message-ID: <m3aekqoi87.fsf@emma1.emma.line.org>

Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> writes:

> I was able to fix this according to the INSTALL file (added a link in
> /var/adm/sm.bin) , but nevertheless I don't understand where /usr/sbin/smrsh
> comes into play.
> 
> Clarifications, anyone?

Sorry, never had that kind of trouble with my Mailman 1.1
installation. Do the aliases call upon smrsh directly? I don't quite
recall, but I don't believe so.

-- 
Matthias Andree

Hi! I'm the infamous .signature virus!
Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!



From gerrit.holl at pobox.com  Thu Feb 24 13:55:53 2000
From: gerrit.holl at pobox.com (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:55:53 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confiuration Help
In-Reply-To: <78B9A82C83DDD211824E0008C7916F937894A6@03_porky.minarikcorp.com>; from Roy.Pitchford@minarikcorp.com on Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:58:02PM -0800
References: <78B9A82C83DDD211824E0008C7916F937894A6@03_porky.minarikcorp.com>
Message-ID: <20000224135553.A3375@stopcontact.palga.uucp>

<quote name="Roy Pitchford" date="951346682">
> I have installed mailman 1.0 on a Linux 6.1 system.
> Everything seems to work except the subscription confirmation replies
> bounce.
> I don't see an entry in /etc/aliases for the test-request user. Should
> something have been created here for the group Test?
> What is the mechanism to map these messages to the mailman program?
> 
> Any help is appreciated.  Roy

When you create a list, it says something like:

Entry for aliases file:

## test mailing list
## created: ...
test "|..."
test-admin "..."
test-request "..."
test-owner "..."

You should have puy that in the /etc/aliases.

regards,
Gerrit.

-- 
Comparison Python GUI's: http://www.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/gui.html
Please comment!



From Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com  Thu Feb 24 18:09:14 2000
From: Jeff.Fiegel at iname.com (Jeff Fiegel)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 12:09:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer
Message-ID: <NDBBKKLHEPCPMPINAADKMEGBCEAA.Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com>

    Seems that when a message is sent from Outlook (HTML Mail format)  the
default footer doesn't get attached....  Is there something special that I
need to set?
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From lindsey at mallorn.com  Thu Feb 24 18:19:04 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:19:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKKLHEPCPMPINAADKMEGBCEAA.Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com> from "Jeff Fiegel" at Feb 24, 2000 12:09:14 PM
Message-ID: <200002241719.LAA30328@lorien.mallorn.com>

>     Seems that when a message is sent from Outlook (HTML Mail format)  the
> default footer doesn't get attached....  Is there something special that I
> need to set?

It *does* get attached; the problem is that it's outside of the MIME
subparts for the message body, so some mail clients can't see it.

I don't see this changing any time in the future -- it would be a real
pain to implement (actually, nearly impossible).  The problem is figuring
out which MIME subpart is actually the text part of the message and
appending the footer to that.

But how do you determine which subpart is the one to change?  If I send
two text/plain attachments, one as an introduction and the second as a
text version of a contract, I surely don't want the footer on the contract.

This is one reason why many lists don't allow or like MIME attachments.

(I suppose that Mailman could figure out what the boundary is for the
MIME subparts in a message, then add another whole attachment that 
consisted entirely of the footer.  But that's ugly).

Chris



From jeremy at BLaCKSMITH.com  Thu Feb 24 20:54:47 2000
From: jeremy at BLaCKSMITH.com (Jeremy Hillman)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:54:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock Problom.
Message-ID: <38B58C87.D6C9580F@BLaCKSMITH.com>

I get this error every once in awhile.
The server is FreeBSD 3.2
Does anyone know of any file locking issues using mailman with FreeBSD.

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys_admin"
    (expanded from: sys_admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 203, in lock
    self.__kickstart(force=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 117, in
__kickstart
    os.unlink(self.__lockfile)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:  
'/usr/local/mailman/locks/sys_admin.lock'
554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys_admin"... unknown mailer
error 1

----------

Thanks in advance for any assistance.
/jeremy

-- 
People are far more interesting and successful when they are
less concerned about being normal, and more concerned on
being natural.

 -Michael Nolan



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Thu Feb 24 22:39:23 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:39:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archivers and listinfo page archive url
Message-ID: <20000224163923.A13909@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

All -

In my conifg I use an email address to a second system that keeps the Monarch web archive of
the lists. So any message sent to archiver at monarch.ibm.com will end up being added to the
appropriate archive.

The listinfo page has an url to the archive location which points to the pipermail archives on
the local system. Is there a setting that I can use to redirect this url or will I have to
change it on the template html manually?

 -- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Thu Feb 24 21:57:01 2000
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:57:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Page includes
In-Reply-To: <200002241719.LAA30328@lorien.mallorn.com>
References: <NDBBKKLHEPCPMPINAADKMEGBCEAA.Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000224154345.01f59860@mail.stetson.edu>

I want to change our majordomo lists to Mailman, but there is 
one little issue that is still holding me up.

When your user looks at the listinfo page, at the bottom is the 
data generated by the <MM-Mailman-Footer>, which includes the 
email address of the list admin.

We have some lists where the admin needs to be anonymous, and 
this little thing keeps it from happening.  (Right now well tell 
folks to send a message to
owner-whateverlist to contact the owner.)

I would like to modify the footer to change the info to 
owner-whateverlist, or just remove the info. I don't know much 
Python yet, so I haven't been able to find where this 
<MM-Mailman-Footer> is created.

(This footer is not the footer included with the mail messages, 
it is the one for the html pages from the server.)

Could someone help me with how to change this?

Thank You,

-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Thu Feb 24 22:08:46 2000
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:08:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archivers and listinfo page archive
 url
In-Reply-To: <20000224163923.A13909@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002241454090.3166-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Scott Russell wrote:
> The listinfo page has an url to the archive location which points to the pipermail archives on
> the local system. Is there a setting that I can use to redirect this url or will I have to
> change it on the template html manually?

     You can change this in your web server's configuration.  I'll assume
your using Apache.  When you setup Mailman, you had to add some Alias
directives to your http.conf or srm.conf.  Ex:

Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
Alias /mailman/archives/ /home/mailman/archives/public/

(The second is of my own doing for added URL continuity.) 

     According to apache's docs, you should be able to replace these with
Redirect directives like so:

#Redirect /service http://foo2.bar.com/service
Redirect /pipermail/ http://wherever.com/blah.html
Redirect /mailman/archives/ http://wherever.com/blah.html

     Does that help?

						~ Rick ~
--
.oooO "Man with closed Oooo.    Rick C. Niess
(   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
 \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
--\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------





From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Thu Feb 24 23:14:24 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:14:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archivers and listinfo page archive url
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002241454090.3166-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>; from rniess@netserver3.otr.usm.edu on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 03:08:46PM -0600
References: <20000224163923.A13909@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002241454090.3166-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>
Message-ID: <20000224171424.A14737@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Rick -

Yup, that does help. Obviously we should be able to do this within Mailman (config directive I
think) and that's where I was heading. I knew I could modify the default templates but that's
ugly when it comes to upgrade time.

Using the redirect with apache is a bit cleaner. 

Thanks for the help!

-- Scott

 On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 03:08:46PM -0600, Rick Niess
wrote: > On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Scott Russell wrote:
> > The listinfo page has an url to the archive location which points to the pipermail archives on
> > the local system. Is there a setting that I can use to redirect this url or will I have to
> > change it on the template html manually?
> 
>      You can change this in your web server's configuration.  I'll assume
> your using Apache.  When you setup Mailman, you had to add some Alias
> directives to your http.conf or srm.conf.  Ex:
> 
> Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> Alias /mailman/archives/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> 
> (The second is of my own doing for added URL continuity.) 
> 
>      According to apache's docs, you should be able to replace these with
> Redirect directives like so:
> 
> #Redirect /service http://foo2.bar.com/service
> Redirect /pipermail/ http://wherever.com/blah.html
> Redirect /mailman/archives/ http://wherever.com/blah.html
> 
>      Does that help?
> 
> 						~ Rick ~
> --
> .oooO "Man with closed Oooo.    Rick C. Niess
> (   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
>  \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
> --\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------
> 

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu  Thu Feb 24 22:17:35 2000
From: rniess at netserver3.otr.usm.edu (Rick Niess)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:17:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Page includes
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000224154345.01f59860@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002241513450.3166-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Arthur J. Byrnes wrote:
> We have some lists where the admin needs to be anonymous, and 
> this little thing keeps it from happening.  (Right now well tell 
> folks to send a message to
> owner-whateverlist to contact the owner.)

     I wouldn't suggest removing the notice entirely as this can lead to
accountability issues, especially if the pages are publically accessible.
Also, modifying the Mailman code may not be a good idea as your changes
would be overwritten when installing newer releases.

     One possible option would be to just set
"owner-whateverlist at wherever.com" as the list owner address.  Then that
address would show up as that at the bottom of the pages.  The only
downfall I can see is that you'd have to maintain the list of these
"aliased" owners by hand instead of letting them change it when/if they
ever change.  Would that work?

						~ Rick Niess ~
--
.oooO "Man with closed Oooo.    Rick C. Niess
(   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
 \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
--\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------





From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Feb 24 22:25:50 2000
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:25:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archivers and listinfo page archive
 url
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002241454090.3166-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10002241615450.15829-200000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Rick Niess wrote:

>      You can change this in your web server's configuration.  I'll assume
> your using Apache.  When you setup Mailman, you had to add some Alias
> directives to your http.conf or srm.conf.  Ex:
> 
> Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> Alias /mailman/archives/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
> 
> (The second is of my own doing for added URL continuity.) 

can you do this if you've already defined a ScriptAlias /mailman for the
cgi-bin programs as it recommends in the INSTALL doc?

this is why i sent a message a few days ago to this list and the
developers list, suggesting that the private cgi-bin program be modified
slightly to allow it to access public archives without authentication.
check the list archives, my message is in there.

the modifications to private.py are trivial and it has several advantages:

- makes the interfaces to archives, whether private or public, more
uniform
- eliminate the need for both an Alias and ScriptAlias in the web server
config
- eliminates the need for the archives/public directory of links

i'm using this method myself now on my mailman server with a
mhonarc/glimpse/wilma external archiver and the pipermail archiver
disabled.

i've attached the diff to mailman-1.1/Mailman/Cgi/private.py.

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada  L8S 4M1     \
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--- Mailman/Cgi/private.py.orig	Sun Jun 13 04:10:10 1999
+++ Mailman/Cgi/private.py	Sun Feb 20 23:31:04 2000
@@ -90,7 +90,7 @@
     try:
         path = os.environ['PATH_INFO']
     except KeyError:
-        doc.SetTitle("Private Archive Error")
+        doc.SetTitle("Archive Error")
         doc.AddItem(Header(3, "You must specify a list."))
         print doc.Format(bgcolor="#FFFFFF")
         sys.exit(0)
@@ -102,7 +102,7 @@
     list_info = Utils.GetPathPieces(path)
 
     if len(list_info) < 1:
-        doc.SetTitle("Private Archive Error")
+        doc.SetTitle("Archive Error")
         doc.AddItem(Header(3, "You must specify a list."))
         print doc.Format(bgcolor="#FFFFFF")
         sys.exit(0)
@@ -124,7 +124,7 @@
         listobj = None
     if not (listobj and listobj._ready):
         msg = "%s: No such list." % list_name
-        doc.SetTitle("Private Archive Error - %s" % msg)
+        doc.SetTitle("Archive Error - %s" % msg)
         doc.AddItem(Header(2, msg))
         print doc.Format(bgcolor="#FFFFFF")
         sys.exit(0)
@@ -140,24 +140,27 @@
 	if type(password) == type([]): password = password[0]
 	password = password.value
 
-    is_auth = 0
-    message = ("Please enter your %s subscription email address "
-               "and password." % listobj.real_name)
-    try:
-        is_auth = listobj.WebAuthenticate(user=user,
-                                          password=password,
-                                          cookie='archive')
-    except (Errors.MMBadUserError, Errors.MMBadPasswordError,
-            Errors.MMNotAMemberError): 
-        message = ('Your email address or password were incorrect. '
-                   'Please try again.')
-    except Errors.MMExpiredCookieError:
-        message = 'Your cookie has gone stale, ' \
-                  'enter password to get a new one.',
-    except Errors.MMInvalidCookieError:
-        message = 'Error decoding authorization cookie.'
-    except Errors.MMAuthenticationError:
-        message = 'Authentication error.'
+    if listobj.archive_private:
+        is_auth = 0
+        message = ("Please enter your %s subscription email address "
+                   "and password." % listobj.real_name)
+        try:
+            is_auth = listobj.WebAuthenticate(user=user,
+                                              password=password,
+                                              cookie='archive')
+        except (Errors.MMBadUserError, Errors.MMBadPasswordError,
+                Errors.MMNotAMemberError): 
+            message = ('Your email address or password were incorrect. '
+                       'Please try again.')
+        except Errors.MMExpiredCookieError:
+            message = 'Your cookie has gone stale, ' \
+                      'enter password to get a new one.',
+        except Errors.MMInvalidCookieError:
+            message = 'Error decoding authorization cookie.'
+        except Errors.MMAuthenticationError:
+            message = 'Authentication error.'
+    else:
+        is_auth = 1
     
     if not is_auth:
         # Output the password form

From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Thu Feb 24 23:30:15 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:30:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc + Mailman (was external archiver urls)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002241518400.3166-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>; from rniess@netserver3.otr.usm.edu on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 03:21:07PM -0600
References: <20000224163923.A13909@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002241518400.3166-100000@netserver3.otr.usm.edu>
Message-ID: <20000224173015.A14956@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Rick -

Good question. I'm replacing the previous admin so honestly I'm not 
quite sure. The kicker is the admin I replaced didn't set it up either! He had
yet another admin set it up. From the mailing list side, which is right
this moment still majordomo, emails sent to 'archive at system.name.com' are
automatically archived. This is for three different lists. Mhonarc takes
care of sorting them out (based on the [listname] in subject) and sticking
them into the correct web archive.

I'll ask for details on how my counter-part set it up and see what comes back.
(Look for private email as I think this gets to be OT.) In the mean time if 
anyone else knows a quick answer to this...

Re the test, I found it realitivly easy. Then again I've been using RH since
4.0 and doing hardware / software problem deturmination at IBM for the last
six years. I think it was 'easy' for me because of my previous exposure. I'll 
be retesting on 6.x when the 2.4 kernel is released and shipped. We'll see how
that goes then.

-- Scott

On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 03:21:07PM -0600, Rick Niess wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
>      You're welcome. ;-)
> 
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Scott Russell wrote:
> > In my conifg I use an email address to a second system that keeps the
> > Monarch web archive of the lists. So any message sent to
> > archiver at monarch.ibm.com will end up being added to the appropriate
> > archive.
> 
>      Now I have a favor to ask in return.  I've been attempting to set up
> Mhonarc the way it appears you already have, but without much success.
> Could you possibly tell me how you did it?
> 
> >  -- 
> > Regards,
> >  Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
> >  Linux Technology Center, System Admin
> >  Red Hat Certified Engineer
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
>      Wow!  I didn't expect to see these so soon. <g> How hard was the
> test?
> 
> 						~ Rick ~
> --
> .oooO "Man with closed Oooo.    Rick C. Niess
> (   )   mouth gathers  (   )    University of Southern Miss.
>  \ (      no foot!"     ) /     resnet at usm.edu
> --\ )------------------(_/-------------------------------
> 

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Fri Feb 25 00:06:26 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:06:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Page includes
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000224154345.01f59860@mail.stetson.edu>; from abyrnes@stetson.edu on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 03:57:01PM -0500
References: <NDBBKKLHEPCPMPINAADKMEGBCEAA.Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com> <200002241719.LAA30328@lorien.mallorn.com> <4.2.0.58.20000224154345.01f59860@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <20000224180626.A15756@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Arthur -

I decided to play a bit and came up with this possible solution. 
Keep in mind I do not code python either. This is just what I 
could make out from the code. I did this against Mailman 1.2 from
CVS but I susspect you can do the same:

1) Backup the /home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py file
2) Edit the file.
3) Look for the section def GetMailmanFooter(self):
4) Change it to look like: (beware of line wraps in this email!)

 def GetMailmanFooter(self):
   owners_html = Container()
   owners_html.AddItem(Link('mailto:%s' % self.GetAdminEmail(), self.GetAdminEmail()))
# Comment out existing code. SMR 02/24/00
#    for i in range(len(self.owner)):
#      owner = self.owner[i]
#      owners_html.AddItem(Link('mailto:%s' % owner, owner))
#        if i + 1 <> len(self.owner):
#          owners_html.AddItem(', ')
# End comment

Sorry, no patch today. This is a hack to make each footer use
'test-admin at hostname.com' as the mailto. In Mailman 1.2 this
is an alias setup in the /etc/aliases file. If you update
from 1.x to 1.2 in the future you'll need to re-hack the 
HTMLFormatter.py file.

Try this with care and good luck.

-- Scott

On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 03:57:01PM -0500, Arthur J. Byrnes wrote:
> I want to change our majordomo lists to Mailman, but there is 
> one little issue that is still holding me up.
> 
> When your user looks at the listinfo page, at the bottom is the 
> data generated by the <MM-Mailman-Footer>, which includes the 
> email address of the list admin.
> 
> We have some lists where the admin needs to be anonymous, and 
> this little thing keeps it from happening.  (Right now well tell 
> folks to send a message to
> owner-whateverlist to contact the owner.)
> 
> I would like to modify the footer to change the info to 
> owner-whateverlist, or just remove the info. I don't know much 
> Python yet, so I haven't been able to find where this 
> <MM-Mailman-Footer> is created.
> 
> (This footer is not the footer included with the mail messages, 
> it is the one for the html pages from the server.)
> 
> Could someone help me with how to change this?
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> -
> ===========================
> Arthur J. Byrnes
> Unix System Administrator
> Center for Information Technology
> Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
> ===========================
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From egus at efn.org  Thu Feb 24 23:44:41 2000
From: egus at efn.org (Eric Gus)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:44:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock Problom.
In-Reply-To: <38B58C87.D6C9580F@BLaCKSMITH.com>
Message-ID: <NDBBJOJNELCGDBLDOICNAEHGCMAA.egus@efn.org>

No help here..just another instance.

Somewhere during my upgrade from 1.0rc1 to 1.1 I botched a few things so I
killed the directory and untarred my old install and I'm gotting the lock
errors now too.  Also, from admin.cgi I click on one of my lists and it says
the list is non-existant and displays a debug page.



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Hillman
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:55 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock Problom.


I get this error every once in awhile.
The server is FreeBSD 3.2
Does anyone know of any file locking issues using mailman with FreeBSD.

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys_admin"
    (expanded from: sys_admin)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 203, in lock
    self.__kickstart(force=1)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 117, in
__kickstart
    os.unlink(self.__lockfile)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:




From abyrnes at stetson.edu  Thu Feb 24 23:46:44 2000
From: abyrnes at stetson.edu (Arthur J. Byrnes)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:46:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Page includes
In-Reply-To: <20000224180626.A15756@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20000224154345.01f59860@mail.stetson.edu>
 <NDBBKKLHEPCPMPINAADKMEGBCEAA.Jeff.Fiegel@iname.com>
 <200002241719.LAA30328@lorien.mallorn.com>
 <4.2.0.58.20000224154345.01f59860@mail.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000224174404.01e4b610@mail.stetson.edu>

This is absolutely perfect!  Just what I was looking for...

It works good.

Thank you very much,

Arthur

At 06:06 PM 2/24/00 -0500, Scott Russell wrote:
>Arthur -
>
>I decided to play a bit and came up with this possible solution.
>Keep in mind I do not code python either. This is just what I
>could make out from the code. I did this against Mailman 1.2 from
>CVS but I susspect you can do the same:
>
>1) Backup the /home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py file
>2) Edit the file.
>3) Look for the section def GetMailmanFooter(self):
>4) Change it to look like: (beware of line wraps in this email!)
>
>  def GetMailmanFooter(self):
>    owners_html = Container()
>    owners_html.AddItem(Link('mailto:%s' % 
> self.GetAdminEmail(), self.GetAdminEmail()))
># Comment out existing code. SMR 02/24/00
>#    for i in range(len(self.owner)):
>#      owner = self.owner[i]
>#      owners_html.AddItem(Link('mailto:%s' % owner, owner))
>#        if i + 1 <> len(self.owner):
>#          owners_html.AddItem(', ')
># End comment
>
>Sorry, no patch today. This is a hack to make each footer use
>'test-admin at hostname.com' as the mailto. In Mailman 1.2 this
>is an alias setup in the /etc/aliases file. If you update
>from 1.x to 1.2 in the future you'll need to re-hack the
>HTMLFormatter.py file.
>
>Try this with care and good luck.
>
>-- Scott
>
>On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 03:57:01PM -0500, Arthur J. Byrnes wrote:
> > I want to change our majordomo lists to Mailman, but there is
> > one little issue that is still holding me up.
> >
> > When your user looks at the listinfo page, at the bottom is the
> > data generated by the <MM-Mailman-Footer>, which includes the
> > email address of the list admin.
> >
> > We have some lists where the admin needs to be anonymous, and
> > this little thing keeps it from happening.  (Right now well tell
> > folks to send a message to
> > owner-whateverlist to contact the owner.)
> >
> > I would like to modify the footer to change the info to
> > owner-whateverlist, or just remove the info. I don't know much
> > Python yet, so I haven't been able to find where this
> > <MM-Mailman-Footer> is created.
> >
> > (This footer is not the footer included with the mail messages,
> > it is the one for the html pages from the server.)
> >
> > Could someone help me with how to change this?
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > -
> > ===========================
> > Arthur J. Byrnes
> > Unix System Administrator
> > Center for Information Technology
> > Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
> > ===========================
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>--
>Regards,
>  Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
>  Linux Technology Center, System Admin
>  Red Hat Certified Engineer

-
===========================
Arthur J. Byrnes
Unix System Administrator
Center for Information Technology
Stetson University,  DeLand, Florida
===========================




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Fri Feb 25 00:55:00 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:55:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock Problom.
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJOJNELCGDBLDOICNAEHGCMAA.egus@efn.org>; from egus@efn.org on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 02:44:41PM -0800
References: <38B58C87.D6C9580F@BLaCKSMITH.com> <NDBBJOJNELCGDBLDOICNAEHGCMAA.egus@efn.org>
Message-ID: <20000224185500.B17409@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Silly question. Looks like Mailman is trying to remove a file it thinks is there but is not.
What happens if you "touch /home/mailman/locks/<listname>.lock" where <listname> is the name
of your list then retry the command that generated the error?

The lock file you create is most certainly invalid but since Mailman is trying to 'unlink' aka
remove it anyway... *shrug*

-- Scott


On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 02:44:41PM -0800, Eric Gus wrote:
> No help here..just another instance.
> 
> Somewhere during my upgrade from 1.0rc1 to 1.1 I botched a few things so I
> killed the directory and untarred my old install and I'm gotting the lock
> errors now too.  Also, from admin.cgi I click on one of my lists and it says
> the list is non-existant and displays a debug page.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Hillman
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 11:55 AM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lock Problom.
> 
> 
> I get this error every once in awhile.
> The server is FreeBSD 3.2
> Does anyone know of any file locking issues using mailman with FreeBSD.
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post sys_admin"
>     (expanded from: sys_admin)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
>     mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
>     self.Lock()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock()
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 203, in lock
>     self.__kickstart(force=1)
>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 117, in
> __kickstart
>     os.unlink(self.__lockfile)
> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer
 T/L 255-0416 / External 919-517-0416
 Pager 800-946-4645 pin 6106543



From mrpy at bumppo.net  Fri Feb 25 00:21:58 2000
From: mrpy at bumppo.net (Nathaniel Irons)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:21:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc + Mailman (was external archiver urls)
In-Reply-To: <20000224173015.A14956@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <200002242321.SAA03738@chmls06.mediaone.net>

On 2/24/00 at 5:30 PM, scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) wrote:

> From the mailing list side, which is right this moment still
> majordomo, emails sent to 'archive at system.name.com' are automatically
> archived. This is for three different lists. Mhonarc takes care of
> sorting them out (based on the [listname] in subject) and sticking
> them into the correct web archive.

Are you sure about this?  To the best of my knowledge, MHonArc has no
code to determine the appropriate archive for a given message, whether
based on subjects or any other criteria -- you just give it input, and
tell it explicitly where to put the output.  I think your predecessor
likely implemented a procmail solution or something else along those
lines.

In my case, I subscribe lists to unique addresses under my domain name,
and use procmail to deposit new mail based on the To field:

    ARCHIVEDEST="$HOME/archive/"
    YEAR="`/bin/date +%Y`"
    MONTH="`/bin/date +%m`"

    :0:
    * ^TOaddress-of-list
    $ARCHIVEDEST/name-of-list/$YEAR/$MONTH.mbox.new

    ...

cron periodically calls a wrapper script that invokes MHonArc with the
appropriate options (including the output location of the archive),
based on the name-of-list in the mailbox's path.

> I'll ask for details on how my counter-part set it up and see what
> comes back. (Look for private email as I think this gets to be OT.)

I'm new to this list, but I believe discussion of implementing
alternative archivers for use with mailman is pretty germane.  In my
opinion, MHonArc is best of breed, though setup can be intimidating.

  -nat





From fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com  Fri Feb 25 00:39:08 2000
From: fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com (Frank Martini)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:39:08 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions
Message-ID: <1260708518-546053021@caddev.com>

Hello all. Just moved my mailman files to my brand new 20Gb Hard Drive. Now
I'm getting permission errors. Is there anywhere where all default
permissions are documented? I can't seem to untangle the mess I've made.
Everything was working fine for months until I moved the files...

Thanks

Error below:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
    logger = StampedLogger('error',
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')



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From lindsey at mallorn.com  Fri Feb 25 02:01:07 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:01:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc + Mailman (was external archiver urls)
In-Reply-To: <200002242321.SAA03738@chmls06.mediaone.net> from "Nathaniel Irons" at Feb 24, 2000 06:21:58 PM
Message-ID: <200002250101.TAA06831@lorien.mallorn.com>

> > I'll ask for details on how my counter-part set it up and see what
> > comes back. (Look for private email as I think this gets to be OT.)
> 
> I'm new to this list, but I believe discussion of implementing
> alternative archivers for use with mailman is pretty germane.  In my
> opinion, MHonArc is best of breed, though setup can be intimidating.

I think I'm probably missing something in this thead, but nothing
jumped right out at me about this.

Anyhow, just a reminder to everyone that MHonArc or any other external
archiver (heck, even a script to pump things into an SQL database) can
be called directly from Mailman.  This eliminates the need for procmail
recipes, extra accounts, etc.

In mm_cfg.py:

   PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER  = '(/afs/ncsa/packages/mhonarc/SunOS_5.4/bin/mhonarc -add -nolock -afs -umask 023 -rcfile rc.%(listname)s -outdir /afs/ncsa/web/internal/htdocs/lists/%(listname)s)'

You can also define PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER.

This is actually a simplified version of our setup; we append and prepend
Kerberos ticket destroying and obtaining commands before that big one,
but it should be about the same.  But count this as a disclaimer against
the functionality of the line above.  :)

Chris



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Fri Feb 25 03:08:16 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:08:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mhonarc + Mailman (was external archiver urls)
In-Reply-To: <200002242321.SAA03738@chmls06.mediaone.net>; from mrpy@bumppo.net on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 06:21:58PM -0500
References: <20000224173015.A14956@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <200002242321.SAA03738@chmls06.mediaone.net>
Message-ID: <20000224210816.A18831@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

You are correct. Procmail is running on the server with Mhonarc. My faulty
description.

-- Scott

On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 06:21:58PM -0500, Nathaniel Irons wrote:
> On 2/24/00 at 5:30 PM, scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) wrote:
> 
> > From the mailing list side, which is right this moment still
> > majordomo, emails sent to 'archive at system.name.com' are automatically
> > archived. This is for three different lists. Mhonarc takes care of
> > sorting them out (based on the [listname] in subject) and sticking
> > them into the correct web archive.
> 
> Are you sure about this?  To the best of my knowledge, MHonArc has no
> code to determine the appropriate archive for a given message, whether
> based on subjects or any other criteria -- you just give it input, and
> tell it explicitly where to put the output.  I think your predecessor
> likely implemented a procmail solution or something else along those
> lines.
> 
> In my case, I subscribe lists to unique addresses under my domain name,
> and use procmail to deposit new mail based on the To field:
> 
>     ARCHIVEDEST="$HOME/archive/"
>     YEAR="`/bin/date +%Y`"
>     MONTH="`/bin/date +%m`"
> 
>     :0:
>     * ^TOaddress-of-list
>     $ARCHIVEDEST/name-of-list/$YEAR/$MONTH.mbox.new
> 
>     ...
> 
> cron periodically calls a wrapper script that invokes MHonArc with the
> appropriate options (including the output location of the archive),
> based on the name-of-list in the mailbox's path.
> 
> > I'll ask for details on how my counter-part set it up and see what
> > comes back. (Look for private email as I think this gets to be OT.)
> 
> I'm new to this list, but I believe discussion of implementing
> alternative archivers for use with mailman is pretty germane.  In my
> opinion, MHonArc is best of breed, though setup can be intimidating.
> 
>   -nat
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Fri Feb 25 07:14:49 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:14:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail exit 2 error on lists
Message-ID: <20000225011449.F19733@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

All -

I did make that migration from majordomo to Mailman 1.2 beta 1 (checked out of cvs on
02/23/00) and only ran into one issue. One of my users had the following email address while
using majordomo:

  "Tim O'Flynn/DUB/xxxx" <Tim_O'Flynn at xxxx.com>

I used the bin/add_members script to import the list. This had no problems. The resulting
email address in Mailman was:

  tim_o'flynn at xxxx.com

The problem was sending mail to this list would result in the follwing error:

post(32390):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 86, in ?
post(32390):      main()
post(32390):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main
post(32390):      mlist.Post(msg)
post(32390):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1260, in Post
post(32390):      Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg)
post(32390):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 55, in DeliverToList
post(32390):      func(mlist, msg)
post(32390):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 88, in process
post(32390):      raise SendmailHandlerError(errcode)
post(32390): Mailman.Handlers.Sendmail . SendmailHandlerError :  2 

Also, a MAILER-DEAMON error was sent to the sender whenever they posted to the list. The error
showed the above trace back and that a shell error had occured while processing the mail.

Any thoughts on how to solve this? It should be easy to replicate. If someone writes a patch
and it get's commited to cvs I'll update my copy and confirm the patch works.

BTW, once again, I know I've said it before, THANK YOU FOR AN OUTSTANDING PRODUCT.
 
Oh, I'm using postfix as my mail agaent, btw. Not sure if that mattered in the whole thing.
 
-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Fri Feb 25 08:29:22 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:29:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions
In-Reply-To: <1260708518-546053021@caddev.com>; from fmartini@cadencedevelopment.com on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 05:39:08PM -0600
References: <1260708518-546053021@caddev.com>
Message-ID: <20000225082922.B26179@miss-janet.com>

On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 05:39:08PM -0600, Frank Martini wrote:
> Hello all. Just moved my mailman files to my brand new 20Gb Hard Drive. Now
> I'm getting permission errors. Is there anywhere where all default
> permissions are documented? I can't seem to untangle the mess I've made.
> Everything was working fine for months until I moved the files...

try running ~mailman/bin/check_perms and see what it tells you...


Ricardo.





From R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de  Fri Feb 25 09:35:51 2000
From: R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de (Ralf Hildebrandt)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:35:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix and Mailman
In-Reply-To: <20000224130038.J5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>; from R.Hildebrandt@tu-bs.de on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 01:00:38PM +0100
References: <20000224124723.G5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de> <20000224130038.J5398@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>
Message-ID: <20000225093551.H19937@stahlw06.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de>

Am 24.02.2000 um 13:00:38 +0100 schrieb Ralf Hildebrandt folgendes:

> I was able to fix this according to the INSTALL file (added a link in
> /var/adm/sm.bin) , but nevertheless I don't understand where /usr/sbin/smrsh
> comes into play.
> 
> Clarifications, anyone?

I had an ancient "local_command_shell = smrsh" in my main.cf ...

-- 
Ralf Hildebrandt <R.Hildebrandt at tu-bs.de> www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb
SMTP is cute, fluffy and goes Woof! When well treated she wags her
tail, licks your face and delivers your mail. When badly treated by
spammers or people running exchange/<insert other pseudo-SMTP systems
here>/etc she tends to bite back.  




From Mark.Martinec at ijs.si  Fri Feb 25 13:16:32 2000
From: Mark.Martinec at ijs.si (Mark Martinec)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:16:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'General posting filters' explanation required
Message-ID: <01JMBQDUFSYQ006Z8P@CATHY.IJS.SI>

Under 'Privacy Options' in the section 'General posting filters'
there are three settings:

  1. Must posts be approved by an administrator?

  2. Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)

  3. Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list
     without implicit approval requirement.

I must confess I find the interaction between the three settings
unintuitive. I have to read '(details)' every time I set up
a new list and when explaining it to a new list moderator.

After all my re-readings I understand the interaction between 2 and 3,
but please somebody explain the interaction between 1 and the other two.
(and add '(details)' entry to the first item as well).

Regards
   Mark

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  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.ijs.si/people/mark/ !!!!



From fil at bok.net  Fri Feb 25 15:03:28 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:03:28 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accents in subjects
Message-ID: <20000225150328.C29511@orwell.bok.net>

Hi mailman-users


what happens when accents are in subjects ?

Usually it get morphed from 

   R?f. : confirmation of subscription - request 170967

into something like

   =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9f._:_confirmation_of_subscription_--_request_170967?=


This 1) prevents confirmation from working when the client mailer is stupid
enough to use "R?f. :" instead of "Re:" ;  2) makes the digests ugly and
unreadable because accntuated Subjects are printed in their =iso...= format.

So I guess mailman should, before doing anything, convert these back to ascii.

Any idea?




From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri Feb 25 15:28:07 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:28:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accents in subjects
In-Reply-To: <20000225150328.C29511@orwell.bok.net>
References: <20000225150328.C29511@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <20000225092807.B7292@xcski.com>

Quoting Fil (fil at bok.net):
> This 1) prevents confirmation from working when the client mailer is stupid
> enough to use "R?f. :" instead of "Re:" ;  2) makes the digests ugly and

Using "R?f. :" instead of "Re:" is a violation of RFC822.  I wish mail
user agent writers would actually read the damn RFCs instead of assuming that
Re: is an abbreviation for an english word!  Let me guess - it's a Microsoft
product right?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.

'Usenet "belongs" to those who administer the hosts of which it is comprised'
 - RFC 1036, draft revision



From fil at bok.net  Fri Feb 25 15:32:13 2000
From: fil at bok.net (Fil)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:32:13 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accents in subjects
In-Reply-To: <20000225092807.B7292@xcski.com>; from ptomblin@xcski.com on Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 09:28:07AM -0500
References: <20000225150328.C29511@orwell.bok.net> <20000225092807.B7292@xcski.com>
Message-ID: <20000225153213.B30650@orwell.bok.net>

* Paul Tomblin (ptomblin at xcski.com) ?crivait :
> Quoting Fil (fil at bok.net):
> > This 1) prevents confirmation from working when the client mailer is stupid
> > enough to use "R?f. :" instead of "Re:" ;  2) makes the digests ugly and
> 
> Using "R?f. :" instead of "Re:" is a violation of RFC822.  I wish mail
> user agent writers would actually read the damn RFCs instead of assuming that
> Re: is an abbreviation for an english word!  Let me guess - it's a Microsoft
> product right?

Let me check.... must be 'Notes' in French version (although I'm not
certain).  However it's not only a question of 'R?f.' but of any accentuated
Subject: when it comes to the digest issue. So mailman is also a little
faulty here.



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Fri Feb 25 15:40:47 2000
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:40:47 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'General posting filters' explanation
  required
In-Reply-To: <01JMBQDUFSYQ006Z8P@CATHY.IJS.SI>
Message-ID: <4.3.2.20000225083751.00bbd6a0@admin.aurora.edu>

At 06:16 AM 2/25/00, you wrote:
>Under 'Privacy Options' in the section 'General posting filters'
>there are three settings:
>
>   1. Must posts be approved by an administrator?
>
>   2. Restrict posting privilege to list members? (member_posting_only)
>
>   3. Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list
>      without implicit approval requirement.
>
>I must confess I find the interaction between the three settings
>unintuitive. I have to read '(details)' every time I set up
>a new list and when explaining it to a new list moderator.
>
>After all my re-readings I understand the interaction between 2 and 3,
>but please somebody explain the interaction between 1 and the other two.
>(and add '(details)' entry to the first item as well).

Number one is just about moderation.  Numbers 2 and 3 are about whose posts 
are allowed through.  If you are running a moderated list then (I believe) 
the people from #3 are also allowed straight through.  There is a chart for 
the 2-3 interaction in the admin docs that I have prepared at 
www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman.  There is really no interaction between 1 
and 2 as all postings are held for approval (even if they come from an off 
list poster).

Cheers.




From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Fri Feb 25 16:55:30 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:55:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding bounce filters
Message-ID: <20000225105530.B21789@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

I seem to be lost. I need to add a filter within Mailman so that posts with the phrase 'out of
the office' in the subject get bounced. 

I did add "Subject: .*out of the office*." to the bounce_matching_headers on the privacy page
however that means I get admin mail each time. I simply want these to be bounced and no
further action to be taken. No email back to the sender should happen either.

Thanks for the help.

 -- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Fri Feb 25 16:45:15 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:45:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accents in subjects 
In-Reply-To: Message from Fil <fil@bok.net> 
   of "Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:32:13 +0100." <20000225153213.B30650@orwell.bok.net> 
Message-ID: <E12OMvc-00036C-00@rioja.localnet>

fil at bok.net said:
>  However it's not only a question of 'R?f.' but of any
> accentuated Subject: when it comes to the digest issue. So mailman is
> also a little faulty here. 

Not really.  You cannot have 8 bit characters in header lines - the 
character set etc applies to the body, so that subject is broken to 
start with.


[from previous message]
> Usually it get morphed from 
>    R?f. : confirmation of subscription - request 170967
> into something like
>    =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9f._:_confirmation_of_subscription_--_request_170967?= 

so some MTA is converting the broken subject into some form of MIMEish 
encapsulation - basically coping with a broken message by applying a 
semi-broken workaround.

> So I guess mailman should, before doing anything, convert these back
> to ascii. 

not sure you want mailman to start doing conversions around other 
people's breakage.  One possibility might be to make the subject line 
have more of a key in it hopefully picked to not have char set 
implications - say that kast part be [[CONFIRM#170967]] and just look 
for that style tag ignoring everything else in the line - making sure 
that the tags chosen don't get hit by those 8 bit conversion problems.

	Nigel.

-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From lindsey at mallorn.com  Fri Feb 25 17:00:06 2000
From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:00:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accents in subjects
In-Reply-To: <E12OMvc-00036C-00@rioja.localnet> from "Nigel Metheringham" at Feb 25, 2000 03:45:15 PM
Message-ID: <200002251600.KAA19336@lorien.mallorn.com>

> >  However it's not only a question of 'R?f.' but of any
> > accentuated Subject: when it comes to the digest issue. So mailman is
> > also a little faulty here. 
> 
> Not really.  You cannot have 8 bit characters in header lines - the 
> character set etc applies to the body, so that subject is broken to 
> start with.

This is perfectly legal.  RFC 2047 supercedes RFC 822 and defines 
character encoding within headers, including the Subject: header.

> [from previous message]
> > Usually it get morphed from 
> >    R?f. : confirmation of subscription - request 170967
> > into something like
> >    =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9f._:_confirmation_of_subscription_--_request_170967?= 
> 
> so some MTA is converting the broken subject into some form of MIMEish 
> encapsulation - basically coping with a broken message by applying a 
> semi-broken workaround.

Regarding the use of Ref: vs. Re:, there's nothing in RFC 822 that 
requires it to be one way or another.  Subject: is defined as a 
*text type, which expands to "any CHAR, including bare CR & bare LF, but
NOT including CRLF".

> not sure you want mailman to start doing conversions around other 
> people's breakage.  One possibility might be to make the subject line 
> have more of a key in it hopefully picked to not have char set 
> implications - say that kast part be [[CONFIRM#170967]] and just look 
> for that style tag ignoring everything else in the line - making sure 
> that the tags chosen don't get hit by those 8 bit conversion problems.

I agree that this is a better solution.

Chris



From Anders.Bandholm at uni-c.dk  Fri Feb 25 17:04:46 2000
From: Anders.Bandholm at uni-c.dk (Anders Bandholm)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:04:46 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accents in subjects
In-Reply-To: <20000225153213.B30650@orwell.bok.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002251643480.8961-100000@mediator.uni-c.dk>

On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Fil wrote:

> * Paul Tomblin (ptomblin at xcski.com) ?crivait :
> > Quoting Fil (fil at bok.net):
> > > This 1) prevents confirmation from working when the client mailer is stupid
> > > enough to use "R?f. :" instead of "Re:" ;  2) makes the digests ugly and
> > 
> > Using "R?f. :" instead of "Re:" is a violation of RFC822.  I wish mail
> > user agent writers would actually read the damn RFCs instead of assuming that
> > Re: is an abbreviation for an english word!  Let me guess - it's a Microsoft
> > product right?
> 
> Let me check.... must be 'Notes' in French version (although I'm not
> certain).  However it's not only a question of 'R?f.' but of any accentuated
> Subject: when it comes to the digest issue. So mailman is also a little
> faulty here.

We can all agree that the idea that "Re:" means "regarding:" or
"reply:", and it must be translated is completely stupid. I used to use a
Danish version of Outlook Express, and I always tried to remember to edit
the "Sv:" into "Re:"

The real problem her is that you can use any character set for the header,
and then MIME-encode it - this is what happened to your example. But
Faulty? What do you suggest? Conversion into ASCII is not a general
solution as Mailman could be used for discussion in languages that need
characters beyond ASCII. 

How would you handle a discussion on "bl?b?rgr?d" (Danish for a fictions
Blueberry dish) - this subject needs MIME-encoding ;-)

The true problem is that theoretically the subjects could be in several
different character sets, and in the list they need to be represented in a
single charset. When everybody use Unicode, it will work, but until then
there is no general solution. An acceptable interim solution could be to
use ISO-LATIN-1 for the list of subjects (the whole list would then by
MIME-encoded, and OK)

Cheers,
Anders
--
Anders Bandholm, UNI-C, Aarhus
  Email: Anders.Bandholm at uni-c.dk
  Phone:  (+45) 8937-6645   Fax: (+45) 8937-6677    ICQ: 20617502
  PGP: id=0x42691C89; fp=D7DF EF78 0C55 9E9B  C9EA 3D07 6500 A1BB





From ptomblin at xcski.com  Fri Feb 25 17:24:11 2000
From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] accents in subjects
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002251643480.8961-100000@mediator.uni-c.dk>
References: <20000225153213.B30650@orwell.bok.net> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002251643480.8961-100000@mediator.uni-c.dk>
Message-ID: <20000225112411.B11075@xcski.com>

Quoting Anders Bandholm (Anders.Bandholm at uni-c.dk):
> We can all agree that the idea that "Re:" means "regarding:" or
> "reply:", and it must be translated is completely stupid. I used to use a

Actually, it isn't a short form for "regarding" or "reply" - it's the Latin
word "re", as in the phrase "de re".  It's people who think it's a short form
of an English word who usually make the mistake of translating it.

Unfortunately my company's web proxy is broken (as usual) so I can't look it
up, but one of the RFCs specifically states that a subject line for a reply
should have "Re: " at the beginning, not some translated short form of
"Reply".  I thought it was 822, but I'm probably actually thinking of one of
the more recent superceding RFCs.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, not speaking for anybody.

'Usenet "belongs" to those who administer the hosts of which it is comprised'
 - RFC 1036, draft revision



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Fri Feb 25 18:58:51 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:58:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] answer_majordomo script
Message-ID: <20000225125851.A24453@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Has anyone set up the answer_majordomo script that's in the mailman/scripts dir? I've got a
system with postfix + Mailman that I just migrated from majordomo and some users still haven't
quite got this down yet. :)

If anyone can share there answer_majordomo script config with me I would appreciate it.

Thanks for the help!

 -- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From woodwork at bigsky.net  Fri Feb 25 20:49:40 2000
From: woodwork at bigsky.net (Joe Johns)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:49:40 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000225124357.00965160@email.bigsky.net>

Greetings all,

I'm brand new to this list but not brand new to using Mailman.

Over a year ago I started a woodworking list that utilized Mailman 1.1 and 
only recently did my ISP pull the plug on it and left me and 320 of my 
members stranded.  Accordingly, I pulled out of that ISP and went to 
another but they don't use Mailman...yet.  However, just this morning I 
thought of another option.

Suppose I installed the Mailman the software on my computer here in my 
office and RX'd and TX'd the posts from here instead of having my ISP 
provide it.  Is this doable?

What do I need, in addition to the Python programming language?

Is there somewhere I can go to find out this information.

TIA,



Joe,
The Twisted Knot Woodshop - "There's never been a classier joint."

Email:  mailto:woodwork at bigsky.net
URL:  http://ronan.bigsky.net/woodwork
Known on IRC as "Woodchips"




From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Feb 25 23:00:38 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:00:38 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding bounce filters 
In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Russell <scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com> 
   of "Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:55:30 EST." <20000225105530.B21789@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> 
References: <20000225105530.B21789@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> 
Message-ID: <26251.951516038@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:55:30 -0500 
Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com> wrote:

> I seem to be lost. I need to add a filter within Mailman so that
> posts with the phrase 'out of the office' in the subject get
> bounced.

Simple.  Have your list posts run thru a procmail filter before
being sent to Mailman.  Then just have the procmail filter pick up
those messages and bounce them while passing everything else thru to
Mailman.

<<See Barry?  No camelcasing! (tho I had to go back and manually
correct every one)>>

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com  Sat Feb 26 00:05:42 2000
From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding bounce filters
In-Reply-To: <26251.951516038@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 02:00:38PM -0800
References: <20000225105530.B21789@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com> <scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com> <26251.951516038@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20000225180542.A30180@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>

Okay. Thought about this after I sent this message. But what's 
that 'filters' dir for then in the mailman directory?

-- Scott (who uses the nick BlueCamel on irc) 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 02:00:38PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:55:30 -0500 
> Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > I seem to be lost. I need to add a filter within Mailman so that
> > posts with the phrase 'out of the office' in the subject get
> > bounced.
> 
> Simple.  Have your list posts run thru a procmail filter before
> being sent to Mailman.  Then just have the procmail filter pick up
> those messages and bounce them while passing everything else thru to
> Mailman.
> 
> <<See Barry?  No camelcasing! (tho I had to go back and manually
> correct every one)>>
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Regards,
 Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com)
 Linux Technology Center, System Admin
 Red Hat Certified Engineer



From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Sat Feb 26 09:58:40 2000
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:58:40 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news <-> list weirdness
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000226154146.18672A-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

Hi all,

remember my news <-> list phenomena?  Well if you don't, here's the case
again:

It used to be that listA is connected to newsgrpA properly (that is, a
person can post to the newsgroup and the list members will also receive,
and vice versa).
Then something happened, I don't know what, that made that connection
vanish.  Not even show in the error logs.  It's as if the gate has been
closed.

Well then I tried to make listB connect to newsgrpB, and that seems
to work fine.  (same news and list server, by the way, actually
they're the same box...  just different newsgroup and list)

Then I tried to have listA connect to newsgrpC, and it seems that posts to
listA goes into newsgrpC, but posts to newsgrpC won't go into listA.
Still no error in the logs.

Then I moved listA back to newsgrpA, and now I get this message:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:25:01 +0700
From: Cron Daemon <root at server.te.ugm.ac.id>
To: mailman at server.te.ugm.ac.id
Subject: Cron <mailman at server> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Exception Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError: <Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError instance at 81867e0> in <method LockFile.__del__ of LockFile instance at 81abb10> ignored


And posts to listA can be read in newsgrpA, but posts in newsgrpA won't
show in listA.  So, the fault lies in listA ?

I am completely befuddled by this, especially since I know almost nothing
of python.

The easy answer is probably to start another list to connect to newsgrpA,
and move all the members to there.  But what's to guarantee that this
wont happen again?  Hmmm....  what other info should I send to
further investigate this matter?

Iqbal Santyaswardan




From jer at drab.org  Sat Feb 26 19:47:46 2000
From: jer at drab.org (Jeremy Weathers)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:47:46 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with install
Message-ID: <B4DD7BAF.5%jer@drab.org>

<alert name="neophyte" value="complete idiot">

Disclaimer: I am not a real unix admin, I don't even play one on TV - I'm
simply the web developer who was conned into "maintaining" the company's
MacOS X Server box. I have a _little_ Linux experience, and now some BSD
"experiences" as well.

I am having trouble with the installation and am hoping that either a)
someone else on this list has installed Mailman under MacOS X, or b) some
kind soul will guide me in the right direction.

History
I installed Python, untarred mailman source, created the mailman user and
group, and ran configure with the desired options*. On the first run of
make**, I got an error that PREFIX was not defined in src/common.c. I
overwrote the PREFIX define in src/common.c with mailman's home directory
and continued.

Problem
When I run make again, I get an error in src/cgi-wrapper.c. At this point,
I'm guessing that configure did not pass in the variables to the source
scripts as was planned. Here my ingenuity has failed me.

The error reported by make
cc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/Local/Users/mailman\""
-DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1
-DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1
-DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./common.c
cc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/Local/Users/mailman\""
-DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1
-DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1
-DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   ./vsnprintf.c
cc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=70 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1
-DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1
-DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VSNPRINTF=1   common.o vsnprintf.o -o admin
./cgi-wrapper.c
./cgi-wrapper.c:31: `Mailman' undeclared here (not in a function)
./cgi-wrapper.c:31: parse error before `cgi'

Lines 29-31 of src/cgi-wrapper.c
/* passed in by configure */
#define SCRIPTNAME SCRIPT
#define LOG_IDENT "Mailman cgi-wrapper (" ## SCRIPT ## ")"

TIA,
Jeremy Weathers


* So far I think I only need to set $PREFIX - I think the rest is standard,
if not I'm sure I'll find out after a successful installation (one without
make errors). I used "./configure --prefix=/Local/Users/mailman".

** "make DIRSETGID=: install" as stated in README.BSD since this is a BSD
variant. I did set the g+s bit on the $PREFIX directory because configure
would complain otherwise.




From ricardo at rixhq.nu  Sat Feb 26 20:02:48 2000
From: ricardo at rixhq.nu (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:02:48 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000225124357.00965160@email.bigsky.net>; from woodwork@bigsky.net on Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 12:49:40PM -0700
References: <4.2.0.58.20000225124357.00965160@email.bigsky.net>
Message-ID: <20000226200248.C482@miss-janet.com>

On Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 12:49:40PM -0700, Joe Johns wrote:
> Suppose I installed the Mailman the software on my computer here in my 
> office and RX'd and TX'd the posts from here instead of having my ISP 
> provide it.  Is this doable?
> What do I need, in addition to the Python programming language?

First of all, is your computer online 24h so it can receive and process
the list posts? If not, you need to use some kind of BSMTP like mail
feature at your ISP... also, are you are running a unix server? At this
moment it's not possible to run Mailman under windows.
Anyway, besides Python, mailman also needs a local MTA (mail transfer agent)
like sendmail, postfix, exim, qmail or others to deliver the mail.

Ricardo.

--




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sat Feb 26 22:26:25 2000
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:26:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] sendmail exit 2 error on lists
References: <20000225011449.F19733@bzimage.raleigh.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <14520.17665.977202.913499@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "SR" == Scott Russell <scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com> writes:

    SR> I did make that migration from majordomo to Mailman 1.2 beta 1
    SR> (checked out of cvs on 02/23/00) and only ran into one
    SR> issue. One of my users had the following email address while
    SR> using majordomo:

    SR>   "Tim O'Flynn/DUB/xxxx" <Tim_O'Flynn at xxxx.com>

    SR> I used the bin/add_members script to import the list. This had
    SR> no problems. The resulting email address in Mailman was:

    SR>   tim_o'flynn at xxxx.com

    SR> The problem was sending mail to this list would result in the
    SR> follwing error:

This is probably due to a shell escape problem with that single
quote.  The Sendmail.py delivery module uses os.popen() to invoke an
external sendmail process, which goes through the shell.  I'd suggest
trying to switch to the SMTPDirect delivery module, which should avoid
this problem.

Add this line to your Mailman/mm_cfg.py file:

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'

You may need to change SMTPHOST and SMTPPORT; see
Mailman/Defaults.py.in for details.

I'm going to make SMTPDirect the default for the 1.2 release.

-Barry



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Feb 26 23:00:11 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:00:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Running Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ricardo Kustner <ricardo@rixhq.nu> 
   of "Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:02:48 +0100." <20000226200248.C482@miss-janet.com> 
References: <4.2.0.58.20000225124357.00965160@email.bigsky.net>  <20000226200248.C482@miss-janet.com> 
Message-ID: <11938.951602411@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:02:48 +0100 
Ricardo Kustner <ricardo at rixhq.nu> wrote:

> First of all, is your computer online 24h so it can receive and
> process the list posts? If not, you need to use some kind of BSMTP
> like mail feature at your ISP... 

One could also feed it from fetchmail off a POP account...

-- 
J C Lawrence                                 Home: claw at kanga.nu
----------(*)                              Other: coder at kanga.nu
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com  Mon Feb 28 04:29:13 2000
From: fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com (Frank Martini)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:29:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions
Message-ID: <1260435192-562492538@caddev.com>

Wow.. that was cool. I _did_ have some file permission errors on hidden 
files (root as owner). Not that's fixed, but I'm still getting the following
error(s):


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 85, in run_main
    logger = StampedLogger('error',
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+')
IOError: (13, 'Permission denied')

Any ideas???

Frank


> On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 05:39:08PM -0600, Frank Martini wrote:
>> Hello all. Just moved my mailman files to my brand new 20Gb Hard Drive. Now
>> I'm getting permission errors. Is there anywhere where all default
>> permissions are documented? I can't seem to untangle the mess I've made.
>> Everything was working fine for months until I moved the files...
>
> try running ~mailman/bin/check_perms and see what it tells you...
>
>
> Ricardo.
>
>


--
Frank Martini                                 Voice: 713/621-1917
Cadence Development                             FAX: 713/621-1960
5075 Westheimer, Ste. 1266             eMail: fmartini at caddev.com
Houston, Texas 77056       WWW: http://www.CadenceDevelopment.com/



From fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com  Mon Feb 28 04:31:15 2000
From: fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com (Frank Martini)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:31:15 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions
Message-ID: <1260435189-562492740@caddev.com>

Thanks... nope... didn't get anything.... I then used the check_perms 
utility, which found some problems with hidden files.. but still getting an
error. Everything _looks_ OK.. but nothing is working.

Frank


>> Hello all. Just moved my mailman files to my brand new 20Gb Hard Drive. Now
>> I'm getting permission errors. Is there anywhere where all default
>> permissions are documented? I can't seem to untangle the mess I've made.
>> Everything was working fine for months until I moved the files...
>
> In your Mailman install dir, do you get any output from the following
> commands?
>
>    > find . -type d ! -perm +g+ws -ls
>    > find . -type d ! -group mailman
>    > find . ! -user mailman
>
> (assuming that mailman is your username/group pair)?
>
> Chris


--
Frank Martini                                 Voice: 713/621-1917
Cadence Development                             FAX: 713/621-1960
5075 Westheimer, Ste. 1266             eMail: fmartini at caddev.com
Houston, Texas 77056       WWW: http://www.CadenceDevelopment.com/



From frank at netlojix.com  Mon Feb 28 06:22:54 2000
From: frank at netlojix.com (Frank Dziuba)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:22:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman: moved from one host to another, archiver now broken
Message-ID: <20000228052254.BDEEF22@mail.netlojix.com>

Hi,

moved mailman from one host to another. Now the archiver is broken. It thinks
the archives for the lists are supposed to go into 

/usr/user3/u/m/mailman...

but the new machine they are supposed to be in 

/home/mailman...

I can't seem to find a way to change the directory for an _existing_ list.

any ideas would be appreciated...

thanks

frank



From iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id  Mon Feb 28 09:25:21 2000
From: iqbal95 at student.te.ugm.ac.id (A Iqbal Santyaswardan)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:25:21 +0700 (JVT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news <-> list weirdness 2
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1000228152349.20953A-100000@student.te.ugm.ac.id>

And then I get this message.... what does it mean?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:45:01 +0700
From: Cron Daemon <root at server.te.ugm.ac.id>
To: mailman at server.te.ugm.ac.id
Subject: Cron <mailman at server> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 101, in main
    lock.unlock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 263, in unlock
    raise NotLockedError
Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError




From mark at vmunix.com  Mon Feb 28 09:56:55 2000
From: mark at vmunix.com (Mark Mayo)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:56:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI problem, customizing welcome message
Message-ID: <20000228035654.A20905@vmunix.com>

Hi there. I just installed Python/Mailman. I have one issue
that I can't figure out though: I can't "save" a list config
through the CGI interface.

I can load up and display a list configuration, but when I make
a change and submit I'm just kicked back to the password screen
and none of the change made it to config.db.

Everything else works good; Postfix delivers to the wrapper
fine, and I can use the bin/config_list command to 
"export/import" any config changes I want to do.

FWIW, apache (with SSL) is running as follows:

    USER    GROUP   PID COMMAND
	nobody   nobody 26632 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpsd
	nobody   nobody 26634 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpsd
	  root    other 26628 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpsd
	nobody   nobody 26630 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpsd
	nobody   nobody 26633 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpsd
	nobody   nobody 26638 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpsd
	nobody   nobody 26631 /usr/local/apache/bin/httpsd

I did a "./configure --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=nobody"

bin/check_perms and bin/check_db say things are OK. ~mailman
looks like this:

	drwxrwsr-x  16 mailman  mailman      512 Feb 28 03:02 mailman

~mailman/lists/test looks like this after I first press submit:

-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman     1098 Feb 28 02:48 admindbpreamble.html
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman     2841 Feb 28 03:31 config.db
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman     2804 Feb 28 03:28 config.db.last
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      189 Feb 28 02:48 handle_opts.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman     3136 Feb 28 02:48 listinfo.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        0 Feb 28 02:48 next-digest
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman        0 Feb 28 02:48 next-digest-topics
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman     4106 Feb 28 02:48 options.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman     1169 Feb 28 02:48 roster.html
-rw-rw-r--   1 mailman  mailman      185 Feb 28 02:48 subscribe.html

If I run bin/config_list then "config.db" ownership changes to "mailman".

Am I missing something? ~mailman/logs/error is empty, and the Apache
error_log is silent as well.

Platform: SunOS vice 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCstation-20


Finally, I prefer the bin/config_list style of configuration anyhow, and
wouldn't mind disabling everything related to the web GUI (on a per
list level). I would like to be able to send out a welcome message to
new subscribers but not have any mention of the web GUI. I guess I want
to supply the entire welcome message. Can I accomplish this somehow?

On a related note, can the unsubscribe command be setup to not require
a password, but use a confirmation style mode of operation (something
like what majordomo or listserv do)?


Anyhow, a couple minor problems, but overall the software looks great.
I love the direct SMTP injection of mail and the ability to handle
Postfix bounce (I grabbed the latest sources from CVS).

TIA,
-Mark

-- 
Mark Mayo <mark at vmunix.com>    
http://www.vmunix.com/mark
"The reason why bad things happen to you is because you're a dumbass!"
    - Red Foreman, That 70's Show



From dave at ahoy.com  Mon Feb 28 16:45:13 2000
From: dave at ahoy.com (David Sampson)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:45:13 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message not being sent to all members of the list
Message-ID: <D377D5952FDED3119C3000C0F01711B7014D4C@octopus.ahoy.com>

My messages are only being sent to one member of the list and not all....
any ideas?

Thanks in advance,

Dave

----------------------------------------
David J. Sampson
Systems Administrator
Fishnet NewMedia
http://www.ahoy.com
(508) 888-3456





From cayce at deepnet.com  Mon Feb 28 18:10:10 2000
From: cayce at deepnet.com (cayce at deepnet.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:10:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #496 - 6 msgs
In-Reply-To: <20000228170004.892551CD15@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1000228120703.24486B-100000@enterprise>

Hello all,

I've looked through the archives of this list and have not been able to
find a solution to my Mailman problem.  I get two tracebacks: 1 from
senddigests and the other from checkdbs (both from cron).

Here are the tracebacks:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File
"/news/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/cron/senddigests",
line 41, in ?
    main()
  File
"/news/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/cron/senddigests",
line 35, in main
    list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File
"/var/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File
"/var/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info


and for checkdbs

Traceback (innermost last):
  File
"/news/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/cron/checkdbs",
line 77, in ?
    main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1
  File
"/news/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/cron/checkdbs",
line 34, in main
    list = MailList.MailList(name, lock = 0)
  File
"/var/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File
"/var/http/sws_server/websites/deepnet.net/public/deeplists/Mailman/MailList.py",
line 810, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Again - I couldn't find any solutions in the archive of this list although
several people had noted the same problem.  Does anyone have any pointers?


Cayce





From kscheidt at roanoke.edu  Mon Feb 28 18:28:03 2000
From: kscheidt at roanoke.edu (Karl G Scheidt)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:28:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To address question
Message-ID: <38BAB023.B411F757@roanoke.edu>

I've seen similar questions posted, but none have really answered my
question:

I have set up a mailing list on computer, say server2.school.edu.  For
any list that I create, messages that get sent to that list are sent out
with a Reply-To of list at school.edu, which corresponds to
server1.school.edu, which is not accepting email for lists.  How do I
get the reply-to to be list at server2.school.edu?  Is that a mailman
config issue, or a sendmail config issue?

Thanks,
Gus Scheidt





From lbedford at wbtsystems.com  Mon Feb 28 18:36:02 2000
From: lbedford at wbtsystems.com (Liam Bedford)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:36:02 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To address question
Message-ID: <21F0AC750696D311B8F000600856E86701990B@hopkins.dublin.wbtsystems.com>

There are two things I've found.

1) There is the host_name option: Host_name that mailman prefers (it's on
general)
2) The one that got me. Make sure the masquerading is turned off in sendmail
(DM I think
is the appropriate class).

That sorted it for me :)

L.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl G Scheidt [mailto:kscheidt at roanoke.edu]
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 5:28 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To address question
> 
> 
> I've seen similar questions posted, but none have really answered my
> question:
> 
> I have set up a mailing list on computer, say server2.school.edu.  For
> any list that I create, messages that get sent to that list 
> are sent out
> with a Reply-To of list at school.edu, which corresponds to
> server1.school.edu, which is not accepting email for lists.  How do I
> get the reply-to to be list at server2.school.edu?  Is that a mailman
> config issue, or a sendmail config issue?
> 
> Thanks,
> Gus Scheidt
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From bates at stat.wisc.edu  Mon Feb 28 19:52:26 2000
From: bates at stat.wisc.edu (Douglas Bates)
Date: 28 Feb 2000 12:52:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost administrator password
Message-ID: <6rsnyd40t1.fsf@franz.stat.wisc.edu>

I really did look in the FAQ to see if this was mentioned but I didn't
find it.  

How do I reset the administrator password on a list?  We created a
list and set the password and now neither of us can remember what it
was set to.  I do have root permission on the machine running mailman
(it is running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 with the 1.0rc2-5 version of the
Debian mailman package, in case that matters).



From fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com  Mon Feb 28 21:33:25 2000
From: fmartini at cadencedevelopment.com (Frank Martini)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 14:33:25 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] File Permissions & Upgrade
Message-ID: <1260374060-566169406@caddev.com>

Well,

I decided to take care of my file permission problems by performing an
upgrade to v1.1 (was using v1.0). Now things are 'different'.

I can get the listinfo html to display, but if someone tries to subscribe,
they are told that the list doesn't exist (although check_db says the list
is OK).

I can get the overall admin page to display, but when I click on a specific
list to administer, I get the following error:

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main
    lst = MailList.MailList(list_name)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied


I played around with file ownership to help fix this, but to no avial.
check_perms says all is still OK. Scratching my head.....

Frank





From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Tue Feb 29 02:30:01 2000
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:30:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is my list hosed?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002282028180.29161-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Cron recently started sending me several hundred emails a day, complaining
about gate_news dying.  I was running 1.1.  The traceback seemed to be
dying dealing with one of our lists ('members').  I thought I'd get the
latest CVS and install that, as maybe it cleared up some loose ends...the
install went fine, but when I ran make update, it ran fine through the
lists (saying no need to upgrade), and then hit the members list and gave:

Updating mailing list:  members
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 214, in ?
    dolist(list)
  File "bin/update", line 22, in dolist
    l = MailList(list)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 840, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: '
TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands

Any idea?

---
Corbett J. Klempay
Trilogy Software, Inc.
512.532.5176 (W) | 512.750.1372 (C)
corbett.klempay at trilogy.com




From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Tue Feb 29 02:32:25 2000
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:32:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] eek
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002282031270.29223-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>

Now I get a barf too when I go to www.acm.jhu.edu/mailman/listinfo

Here is the traceback + env:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 39, in main
    FormatListinfoOverview()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 87, in
FormatListinfoOverview
    mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 71, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 840, in Load
    raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: '
TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
Variable Value 
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/apache/htdocs  
SERVER_ADDR  128.220.223.63  
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  
SERVER_PORT  80  
REMOTE_ADDR  24.93.49.122  
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us  
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
SERVER_NAME  www.acm.jhu.edu  
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT)  
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel,
application/msword, application/pdf, */*  
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/listinfo  
PATH
/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin  
QUERY_STRING   
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /home/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo  
HTTP_HOST  www.acm.jhu.edu  
REQUEST_METHOD  GET  
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.9 Server at www.acm.jhu.edu Port 80 
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/listinfo  
SERVER_ADMIN  webmaster at acm.jhu.edu  
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) PHP/3.0.12  
PYTHONPATH  /home/mailman  
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
REMOTE_PORT  1673  

---
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512.532.5176 (W) | 512.750.1372 (C)
corbett.klempay at trilogy.com




From jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu  Tue Feb 29 04:23:26 2000
From: jmcoyne at alum.mit.edu (Joan Coyne)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:23:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Administrator password not working after installation
Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000228222325.009de1e0@pop.ne.mediaone.net>

I just installed Mailman on my system, and I have created a list.  I was
able to subscribe to the list, post to the list and receive mail from the
list.  I can't get to the adminstration pages though because it won't
accept my password.  I keep getting "Sorry, wrong password, Please try
again".  I know that this question has been asked before, but I can't find
a response that explains how to fix this.  I do not have another copy of
python on my system as someone suggested might cause this problem.  I have
tried changing my site password using mmsitepass, but this password does
not work either.  The list password that was mailed to me when I created
the list was correct (well, it was what I put in.  Obviously mailman does
not think it is correct). If anyone has any ideas, please let me know

Joan 



From nathan at robotics.net  Tue Feb 29 06:19:18 2000
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:19:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange problems
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002290013130.9318-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

Ok, I am having some strange problems with my mailman server. This
started when I move from FreeBSD to Linux. I am currently running Mailman
1.1 on Redhat 6.1. 

Ok, the first thing is that when I run check_bd I get a error that the db
files are messed up. I looked at them and notice they are owned by
mail.mailman. It is odd, I change it to mailman.mailman and it works fine,
but it gets changed back to mail.mailman when someone sends mail to the
list.

The next problem is that mail is not sent to the lists, if I look in error
log file I get:

Feb 28 23:27:04 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
post:      mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1329, in Post
post:      self.ArchiveMail(msg)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in
ArchiveM
ail
post:      lock.lock()
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock
post:      os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
post: OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/locks/clecl
ist.archiver.lock.skipper.robotics.net.5454' 

The last problem is that I cant run arch. When I run it it just sits there
forever and does not do anyting. If I hit control-C I get a lock file
error. 

So, how do I fix my lockfile and permissions errors? 

BTW when I run check_perms everything checks out.


><>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net




From rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com  Tue Feb 29 08:47:07 2000
From: rupa-list+mailman at rupa.com (Rupa Schomaker)
Date: 28 Feb 2000 23:47:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual hosts and mailman (yet another)
Message-ID: <m3aekk5u2s.fsf@gw.rupa.com>

I'm running the 1.1 release and seem to have problems getting mailman
to consistantly use the "Host name this list prefers" option to take
affect in all places.

Specifically:

1) The replacable %(host_name)s parameter doesn't map to the prefered
   hostname.

2) If you set the "reply to list" option, it uses the actual hostname
   and not the prefered hostname.

Has this been "fixed" in later versions?  If not, would the correct
behavior be to fix this?

-- 
-rupa



From diablo at lt.com.ua  Tue Feb 29 11:07:05 2000
From: diablo at lt.com.ua (Gelfandbein Boris)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:07:05 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] suply password
In-Reply-To: <20000223153744.A2908@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
References: <20000223153744.A2908@stopcontact.palga.uucp>
Message-ID: <0504.000229@lt.com.ua>

Hello Gerrit,

Wednesday, February 23, 2000, 4:37:44 PM, you wrote:

GH> <quote name="Gelfandbein Boris" date="951216587">
>> Hello mailman-users,
>> 
>>   i try to subscribe to list via www,
>>   i enter valid e-mail & password, i got this:
>> 
>> ---------------------------
>> You must supply a valid email address.
>> You must supply a valid password, and confirm it.
>> ---------------------------

GH> The form must be bogus. The version of the CGI's do not match with
GH> the version of the HTML page. Did you recently upgrade Mailman?

nope ... i just download mailman 1.1 two month later.

GH> How many lists with how many subscribers are you running?

just 3

GH>  Since
GH> your installation seems to be bogus, consider reintalling (although
GH> it's certainly not needed - it's the easiest way).

there i can find recently updates? or easy way?
Thanks.

---
Best regards,
Gelfandbein Boris | BG12-RIPE | UA, Kherson, LT | 263119





From danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au  Tue Feb 29 14:40:57 2000
From: danny at anatomy.usyd.edu.au (Danny Yee)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 00:40:57 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply redirection - lists subscribed to other lists
Message-ID: <20000301004057.A7926@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>

I have two lists, one for announcements and the other for discussion.
I have the announcements lists subscribed to the discussion list, so
people only need to subscribe to one list.

But messages sent to the announcements list appear to discussion
list subscribers with
	To: announcement list
which means that group replies go to that list instead of the discussion
list.  

Is there any way to fix this, to make sure that followups don't go to
the announcements list?

Danny.




From lobbin at localhost.nu  Tue Feb 29 14:55:22 2000
From: lobbin at localhost.nu (Robin Ericsson)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:55:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman cgi's not working
Message-ID: <20000229145522.A1416@localhost.nu>

 I've tried now for a couple of days to get the mailman cgi's running.
I've tried apache and I've tried roxen webserver, but I end up with the
same error.

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
    immediate=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 49, in
__init__
    Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__
    self.__get_f()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f
    reraise()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f
    f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/error'



 This error is probably because the user the script runs under don't
have the permission to create/read/open files it needs. I've read
through INSTALL, several times and I can't think of anything I've
missed.

 I'm running mailman under FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE and postfix.

R.



From wcarlson at vh.org  Tue Feb 29 16:32:13 2000
From: wcarlson at vh.org (Bill Carlson)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:32:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost administrator password
In-Reply-To: <6rsnyd40t1.fsf@franz.stat.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002290930290.9991-100000@ryoko.radiology.uiowa.edu>

On 28 Feb 2000, Douglas Bates wrote:

> I really did look in the FAQ to see if this was mentioned but I didn't
> find it.  
> 
> How do I reset the administrator password on a list?  We created a
> list and set the password and now neither of us can remember what it
> was set to.  I do have root permission on the machine running mailman
> (it is running Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 with the 1.0rc2-5 version of the
> Debian mailman package, in case that matters).

Login into the listadmin with the site password. If you don't
remember/don't have the site password, run mmsitepass as the mailman user.

HTH,

Bill Carlson
------------
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Virtual Hospital      http://www.vh.org/        |  not my employer's.
University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics	|





From nathan at robotics.net  Tue Feb 29 16:34:34 2000
From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:34:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lock and ownership roblems, but check_perms is fine.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291034030.4313-100000@skipper.robotics.net>

Ok, I am having some strange problems with my mailman server. This
started when I move from FreeBSD to Linux. I am currently running Mailman
1.1 on Redhat 6.1. 

Ok, the first thing is that when I run check_bd I get a error that the db
files are messed up. I looked at them and notice they are owned by
mail.mailman. It is odd, I change it to mailman.mailman and it works fine,
but it gets changed back to mail.mailman when someone sends mail to the
list.

The next problem is that mail is not sent to the lists, if I look in error
log file I get:

Feb 28 23:27:04 2000 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ?
post:      mlist.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1329, in Post
post:      self.ArchiveMail(msg)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 206, in
ArchiveM
ail
post:      lock.lock()
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 245, in lock
post:      os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
post: OSError :  [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman/locks/clecl
ist.archiver.lock.skipper.robotics.net.5454' 

The last problem is that I cant run arch. When I run it it just sits there
forever and does not do anyting. If I hit control-C I get a lock file
error. 

So, how do I fix my lockfile and permissions errors? 

BTW when I run check_perms everything checks out.


><>
Nathan Stratton
nathan at robotics.net
http://www.robotics.net





From watcher at stercomm.com  Tue Feb 29 16:14:27 2000
From: watcher at stercomm.com (Bill DeVos)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:14:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect domain parsing?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291008210.8429-100000@watcher>

  Mailman ROCKS, this is a very well designed and thought out product, my
cudos to the developement team!  Now on to my question. 8^)
  Mailman seems to be munging the domain name, if I set the domain name to
'watcher' in the mm_cfg.py the From seems to reflect that correctly in
mail sent from Mailman but if I change the domain to
watcher.nsg.stercomm.com The From changes to the domain
watcher.stercomm.com.  The problem is of course that there is no machine
by that name.  I have experimented and read all I could find on the
subject and I can't seem to get this working.
  Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

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From lqiu at sunyrockland.edu  Tue Feb 29 18:24:17 2000
From: lqiu at sunyrockland.edu (Lin Qiu)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:24:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
Message-ID: <38BC00C1.ADC58D14@sunyrockland.edu>

Hello all,

I'm running Linux 6.1, Mailman 1.1, Python 1.5.1 and Apache 1.3.11 and
sendmail.

My project here is to setup a list server for faculty and students to
create their own lists.

I followed the Mailman installation instruction and run

./configure with all default options.

my aliases file looks like this:

 /etc/aliases

#Test mailing list
test:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
test-admin:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
test-request:     "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
owner-test:       test-admin
owner-test:       test-admin

I run newaliases after I update my aliases file.

I also setup a test list. I was able to create the list, login the admin
web page and subscribe to the list. I got a Confirmation email from
test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.

However, I was not be able to send mail to
test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.
Here is what I got :

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable


When I send a email to test at lqldap.mydomain.edu, I did not get rebound.
from maillog it lists:

lqldap smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper mailowner test
lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
test", ...miler=prog, stat=Service unavailable
lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: MAB01234: DSN: Service unavailable
lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAB01234: MAC01234: return to sender: Service
unavailable

I look up the installation guide, it said I need to "configure smrsh by
creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper to the directory
identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh."

I look up my /etc/smrsh, there is no files there in the directory.

Would someone show me how to configure the smrsh and create the symbolic
link ?

Thanks.

Lin


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From watcher at stercomm.com  Tue Feb 29 16:36:30 2000
From: watcher at stercomm.com (Bill DeVos)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:36:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
In-Reply-To: <38BC00C1.ADC58D14@sunyrockland.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291032550.8469-100000@watcher>

  Well, first day on the list and I get to answer a question, neato!  Here
is the documentation from the INSTALL file:

    Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
              "sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs"

    Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell.  You need to
              configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the
              mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory
              identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh.
              Some common names for this directory are
              /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh.
              
  and here is the command line that you would use from the information you
gave in your email.

ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper

  Enjoy!

On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Lin Qiu wrote:

> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:24:17 -0500
> From: Lin Qiu <lqiu at sunyrockland.edu>
> To: MailMan <mailman-users at python.org>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm running Linux 6.1, Mailman 1.1, Python 1.5.1 and Apache 1.3.11 and
> sendmail.
> 
> My project here is to setup a list server for faculty and students to
> create their own lists.
> 
> I followed the Mailman installation instruction and run
> 
> ./configure with all default options.
> 
> my aliases file looks like this:
> 
>  /etc/aliases
> 
> #Test mailing list
> test:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> test-admin:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
> test-request:     "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> owner-test:       test-admin
> owner-test:       test-admin
> 
> I run newaliases after I update my aliases file.
> 
> I also setup a test list. I was able to create the list, login the admin
> web page and subscribe to the list. I got a Confirmation email from
> test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.
> 
> However, I was not be able to send mail to
> test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.
> Here is what I got :
> 
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable
> 
> 
> When I send a email to test at lqldap.mydomain.edu, I did not get rebound.
> from maillog it lists:
> 
> lqldap smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper mailowner test
> lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> test", ...miler=prog, stat=Service unavailable
> lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: MAB01234: DSN: Service unavailable
> lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAB01234: MAC01234: return to sender: Service
> unavailable
> 
> I look up the installation guide, it said I need to "configure smrsh by
> creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper to the directory
> identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh."
> 
> I look up my /etc/smrsh, there is no files there in the directory.
> 
> Would someone show me how to configure the smrsh and create the symbolic
> link ?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lin
> 
> 
> 

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From watcher at stercomm.com  Tue Feb 29 16:40:29 2000
From: watcher at stercomm.com (Bill DeVos)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:40:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
In-Reply-To: <38BC00C1.ADC58D14@sunyrockland.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291038240.8469-100000@watcher>

  On a totally unrelated note, I've been trying to figure out why I'm
getting the same type of error I see in your log with reference to DSN.  I
realize this is in no way related to Mailman, but does anyone know what
DSN is and why it seems to generate an error on at least a daily basis?

On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Lin Qiu wrote:

> 
> lqldap smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper mailowner test
> lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> test", ...miler=prog, stat=Service unavailable
> lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: MAB01234: DSN: Service unavailable
> lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAB01234: MAC01234: return to sender: Service
> unavailable
> 


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From bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie  Tue Feb 29 19:30:15 2000
From: bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie (Robert Crosbie)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:30:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Lost administrator password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002290930290.9991-100000@ryoko.radiology.uiowa.edu>; from wcarlson@vh.org on Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 09:32:13AM -0600
References: <6rsnyd40t1.fsf@franz.stat.wisc.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002290930290.9991-100000@ryoko.radiology.uiowa.edu>
Message-ID: <20000229183014.E24020@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>

Bill Carlson hath declared on Tuesday the 29 day of February 2000  :-:
> > 
> > How do I reset the administrator password on a list?  We created a
> > list and set the password and now neither of us can remember what it
> > was set to.  I do have root permission on the machine running mailman
> 
> Login into the listadmin with the site password. If you don't
> remember/don't have the site password, run mmsitepass as the mailman user.

Somewhat of a problem if you don't have root ;-)

Perhaps some option to resend the list admin password to the listadmin
is in order....

-- 
         -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

                           We are two.



From lqiu at sunyrockland.edu  Tue Feb 29 19:37:23 2000
From: lqiu at sunyrockland.edu (Lin Qiu)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:37:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291032550.8469-100000@watcher>
Message-ID: <38BC11E2.C2AB4F69@sunyrockland.edu>

Bill,

Thanks for the information. I did the symbolic link, it takes care one problem.
This time I have:

  ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at lqldap.admin.sunyrockland.edu>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 49, in ?
    list = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
    os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 1

Could this cause by "using the wrong GID or UID for mail" as indicated in the
installation menu? I look up the syslog, and did not find anything there.

Thanks.

Lin

Bill DeVos wrote:

>   Well, first day on the list and I get to answer a question, neato!  Here
> is the documentation from the INSTALL file:
>
>     Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
>               "sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs"
>
>     Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell.  You need to
>               configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the
>               mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory
>               identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh.
>               Some common names for this directory are
>               /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh.
>
>   and here is the command line that you would use from the information you
> gave in your email.
>
> ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper
>
>   Enjoy!
>
> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Lin Qiu wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:24:17 -0500
> > From: Lin Qiu <lqiu at sunyrockland.edu>
> > To: MailMan <mailman-users at python.org>
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm running Linux 6.1, Mailman 1.1, Python 1.5.1 and Apache 1.3.11 and
> > sendmail.
> >
> > My project here is to setup a list server for faculty and students to
> > create their own lists.
> >
> > I followed the Mailman installation instruction and run
> >
> > ./configure with all default options.
> >
> > my aliases file looks like this:
> >
> >  /etc/aliases
> >
> > #Test mailing list
> > test:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> > test-admin:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
> > test-request:     "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> > owner-test:       test-admin
> > owner-test:       test-admin
> >
> > I run newaliases after I update my aliases file.
> >
> > I also setup a test list. I was able to create the list, login the admin
> > web page and subscribe to the list. I got a Confirmation email from
> > test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.
> >
> > However, I was not be able to send mail to
> > test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.
> > Here is what I got :
> >
> >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> >     (expanded from: <test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu>)
> >
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable
> >
> >
> > When I send a email to test at lqldap.mydomain.edu, I did not get rebound.
> > from maillog it lists:
> >
> > lqldap smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper mailowner test
> > lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> > test", ...miler=prog, stat=Service unavailable
> > lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: MAB01234: DSN: Service unavailable
> > lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAB01234: MAC01234: return to sender: Service
> > unavailable
> >
> > I look up the installation guide, it said I need to "configure smrsh by
> > creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper to the directory
> > identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh."
> >
> > I look up my /etc/smrsh, there is no files there in the directory.
> >
> > Would someone show me how to configure the smrsh and create the symbolic
> > link ?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Lin
> >
> >
> >
>
> ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
> >     Watcher (aka Bill DeVos)     |                                          <
> >         Sterling Commerce        |                                          <
> >      Commerce Services Group     |                                          <
> >        4600 Lakehurst Ct.        |     If you're passed on the right...     <
> >        Dublin, Ohio 43017        |         you're in the wrong lane!        <
> >        Voice: 614-793-7101       |                                          <
> >        Fax:   614-718-1592       |                                          <
> >       watcher at stercomm.com       |                                          <
> >       http://www.aack.net/       |                                          <
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From bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie  Tue Feb 29 19:39:29 2000
From: bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie (Robert Crosbie)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:39:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply redirection - lists subscribed to other lists
In-Reply-To: <20000301004057.A7926@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>; from danny@anatomy.usyd.edu.au on Wed, Mar 01, 2000 at 12:40:57AM +1100
References: <20000301004057.A7926@anatomy.usyd.edu.au>
Message-ID: <20000229183929.F24020@enigma.redbrick.dcu.ie>

Danny Yee hath declared on Wednesday the 01 day of March 2000  :-:
> I have two lists, one for announcements and the other for discussion.
> I have the announcements lists subscribed to the discussion list, so
> people only need to subscribe to one list.
> 
> But messages sent to the announcements list appear to discussion
> list subscribers with
> 	To: announcement list
> which means that group replies go to that list instead of the discussion
> list.  

would selecting "list" in "general opptions"

"Are replies to a post directed to the
  original poster or to the list? Poster
     is strongly recommended."

fix this ?

-- 
         -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

                           We are two.



From watcher at stercomm.com  Tue Feb 29 17:42:25 2000
From: watcher at stercomm.com (Bill DeVos)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:42:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
In-Reply-To: <38BC11E2.C2AB4F69@sunyrockland.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291135270.8690-100000@watcher>

On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Lin Qiu wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> Thanks for the information. I did the symbolic link, it takes care one problem.
> This time I have:
> 
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
>     (expanded from: <test-request at lqldap.admin.sunyrockland.edu>)
> 
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 49, in ?
>     list = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__
>     self.Load()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load
>     self.Lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock
>     self.__lock.lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock
>     os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 1

  Although I'm very new to Python (haven't written a program in it yet)
looking at the traceback the last line mentions
os.link(self.__lockfile..., this appears to me that it was (at the time of
the error) attempting to create it's lock file, yes?
  Looking at the actuall error "Permission denied" I would guess that the
OS has refused permission to create a lock file.
  Again from the INSTALL docs:
3. Check your installation

    To check that your installation has all the correct permissions
    and group ownerships, you should run the check_perms script:

    - cd to $prefix

    - Run bin/check_perms

  Have you done this?  What was the result?

> 
> Could this cause by "using the wrong GID or UID for mail" as indicated in the
> installation menu? I look up the syslog, and did not find anything there.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lin
> 
> Bill DeVos wrote:
> 
> >   Well, first day on the list and I get to answer a question, neato!  Here
> > is the documentation from the INSTALL file:
> >
> >     Problem:  I send mail to the list, and get back mail saying,
> >               "sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs"
> >
> >     Solution: Your system uses sendmail restricted shell.  You need to
> >               configure smrsh by creating a symbolic link from the
> >               mail wrapper ($prefix/mail/wrapper) to the directory
> >               identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh.
> >               Some common names for this directory are
> >               /var/admin/sm.bin, /usr/admin/sm.bin or /etc/smrsh.
> >
> >   and here is the command line that you would use from the information you
> > gave in your email.
> >
> > ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper
> >
> >   Enjoy!
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Lin Qiu wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:24:17 -0500
> > > From: Lin Qiu <lqiu at sunyrockland.edu>
> > > To: MailMan <mailman-users at python.org>
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Test List
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I'm running Linux 6.1, Mailman 1.1, Python 1.5.1 and Apache 1.3.11 and
> > > sendmail.
> > >
> > > My project here is to setup a list server for faculty and students to
> > > create their own lists.
> > >
> > > I followed the Mailman installation instruction and run
> > >
> > > ./configure with all default options.
> > >
> > > my aliases file looks like this:
> > >
> > >  /etc/aliases
> > >
> > > #Test mailing list
> > > test:                 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"
> > > test-admin:       "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"
> > > test-request:     "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> > > owner-test:       test-admin
> > > owner-test:       test-admin
> > >
> > > I run newaliases after I update my aliases file.
> > >
> > > I also setup a test list. I was able to create the list, login the admin
> > > web page and subscribe to the list. I got a Confirmation email from
> > > test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.
> > >
> > > However, I was not be able to send mail to
> > > test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu.
> > > Here is what I got :
> > >
> > >    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> > > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
> > >     (expanded from: <test-request at lqldap.mydomain.edu>)
> > >
> > >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> > > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable
> > >
> > >
> > > When I send a email to test at lqldap.mydomain.edu, I did not get rebound.
> > > from maillog it lists:
> > >
> > > lqldap smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper mailowner test
> > > lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
> > > test", ...miler=prog, stat=Service unavailable
> > > lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAA01234: MAB01234: DSN: Service unavailable
> > > lqldap sendmail[1234]: MAB01234: MAC01234: return to sender: Service
> > > unavailable
> > >
> > > I look up the installation guide, it said I need to "configure smrsh by
> > > creating a symbolic link from the mail wrapper to the directory
> > > identifying executables allowed to run under smrsh."
> > >
> > > I look up my /etc/smrsh, there is no files there in the directory.
> > >
> > > Would someone show me how to configure the smrsh and create the symbolic
> > > link ?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Lin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
> > >     Watcher (aka Bill DeVos)     |                                          <
> > >         Sterling Commerce        |                                          <
> > >      Commerce Services Group     |                                          <
> > >        4600 Lakehurst Ct.        |     If you're passed on the right...     <
> > >        Dublin, Ohio 43017        |         you're in the wrong lane!        <
> > >        Voice: 614-793-7101       |                                          <
> > >        Fax:   614-718-1592       |                                          <
> > >       watcher at stercomm.com       |                                          <
> > >       http://www.aack.net/       |                                          <
> > `-----------------------------------------------------------------------------'
> 

,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------.
>   Watcher (aka Bill DeVos)    |                                             <
>       Sterling Commerce       |                                             <
>    Commerce Services Group    |                                             <
>      4600 Lakehurst Ct.       |     Through the server, over the router,    <
>      Dublin, Ohio 43017       |    off the firewall...  Nothing but 'Net'   <
>      Voice: 614-793-7101      |                                             <
>      Fax:   614-718-1592      |                                             <
>     watcher at stercomm.com      |                                             <
>     http://www.aack.net/      |                                             <
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From watcher at stercomm.com  Tue Feb 29 17:55:56 2000
From: watcher at stercomm.com (Bill DeVos)
Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 11:55:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] More info on domain name munging
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291135270.8690-100000@watcher>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10002291151160.8786-100000@watcher>

  Please notice in the cut of my confirmation below that although the body
of the message contains the addresses as I want them all to be, the
headers addresses have been altered to unusable addresses.  I can't
imagine that this is being done by any mailer and if I alter the addresses
to what they are in the body they work just fine.
  I hope this information makes it easier to determine the problem.

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>       Sterling Commerce      |   1. The failure of a single node will not   <
>    Commerce Services Group   |             cause a service failure.         <
>      4600 Lakehurst Ct.      |        2. Change is introduced without       <
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