From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  1 00:56:24 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:56:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help needed - sendmail/mailman problem
Message-ID: <200011302354.PAA24488@utopia.west.sun.com>

> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:30:20PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> > 
> > > So what could be wrong here? 
> > 
> > As always, cron could be wrong.  You say nothing about it, so
> > I assume you didn't read this second paragraph of INSTALL:
> > 
> > IMPORTANT: Pay special attention to the step below where you have to
> > set up your crontab entries.  If you do not do this, Mailman will not
> > work.
> 
> Thanks for your quick response, but I really don't see any relation between
> a sendmail error and a cron-job.

I missed the sendmail error because of line-wrapping, and just saw the
"mail to xxx never gets delivered", and easily 99% of those errors
are "oh, no, I didn't enter the cron job".  Sorry to generalize;
your cron looks right to me.

So let's look at your actual problem without the noise around it:

> Nov 30 22:57:04 jupiter sendmail[11058]: eAULv4S11058: 
<test-admin at remco.homeip.net>... User unknown
> Nov 30 22:57:04 jupiter sendmail[11058]: eAULv4S11058: 
from=<test-admin at remco.homeip.net>, size=1002, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:28 at localhost [127.0.0.1]
> 
> Very strange because I can send a normal mail to <test-admin at remco.homeip.net>
> which is delivered.

Which machine is jupiter?
Which machine is remco.homeip.net?
Are they the same?

Which machine runs the mailman software?
Which machine has the alias on it?
When you "send a normal mail to test-admin...", are you doing it
from the same machine that Mailman is running on?





From RvdBerg at dse.nl  Fri Dec  1 01:07:34 2000
From: RvdBerg at dse.nl (Remco van den Berg)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 01:07:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help needed - sendmail/mailman problem
In-Reply-To: <200011302354.PAA24488@utopia.west.sun.com>; from Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:56:24PM -0800
References: <200011302354.PAA24488@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20001201010734.A11980@jupiter.strijp.Ehv.nl>

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:56:24PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> So let's look at your actual problem without the noise around it:
> 
> > Nov 30 22:57:04 jupiter sendmail[11058]: eAULv4S11058: 
> <test-admin at remco.homeip.net>... User unknown
> > Nov 30 22:57:04 jupiter sendmail[11058]: eAULv4S11058: 
> from=<test-admin at remco.homeip.net>, size=1002, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, 
> daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:28 at localhost [127.0.0.1]
> > 
> > Very strange because I can send a normal mail to <test-admin at remco.homeip.net>
> > which is delivered.
> 
> Which machine is jupiter?
> Which machine is remco.homeip.net?
> Are they the same?

Yes, the same machine.
"remco.homeip.net" is the name from the internet.
"jupiter" is the hostname in my local domain.

-Remco

PS I'm on the mailman-users list.
-- 
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      ICQ: 47514668         rvdberg at dse.nl         http://www.dse.nl/       
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  1 01:42:56 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:42:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help needed - sendmail/mailman problem
Message-ID: <200012010041.QAA27620@utopia.west.sun.com>

> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:56:24PM -0800, Dan Mick wrote:
> > 
> > So let's look at your actual problem without the noise around it:
> > 
> > > Nov 30 22:57:04 jupiter sendmail[11058]: eAULv4S11058: 
> > <test-admin at remco.homeip.net>... User unknown
> > > Nov 30 22:57:04 jupiter sendmail[11058]: eAULv4S11058: 
> > from=<test-admin at remco.homeip.net>, size=1002, class=0, nrcpts=0, 
proto=ESMTP, 
> > daemon=MTA, relay=IDENT:28 at localhost [127.0.0.1]
> > > 
> > > Very strange because I can send a normal mail to 
<test-admin at remco.homeip.net>
> > > which is delivered.
> > 
> > Which machine is jupiter?
> > Which machine is remco.homeip.net?
> > Are they the same?
> 
> Yes, the same machine.
> "remco.homeip.net" is the name from the internet.
> "jupiter" is the hostname in my local domain.

So if you can send a mail to test-admin at remco.homeip.net as some
user, but the mailman scripts cannot, I have no idea what the problem
might be.  It must be some very strange error in sendmail depending
on some sender context, and reporting the error wrongly, or else
some subtle error in the SMTP dialogue.  I'd
probably watch the SMTP session with truss/strace/ktrace or
whatever and see exactly what Mailman is sending, and duplicate
that with a telnet to port 25.
 
> -Remco
> 
> PS I'm on the mailman-users list.

Yes, and so am I.




From rick at niof.net  Fri Dec  1 04:51:24 2000
From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public lists not visible
Message-ID: <20001130225124.C26758@tc.niof.net>

Could someone help me understand what's happening here.

A user told me that when he accessed the mailman info page no mailing
lists were displayed. And yet whenever I accessed the info page they
were. He sent me a screen capture which allowed me to notice that he had
accessed my site with 'www.niof.net' but lazy me always used just
'niof.net'. Somehow that affects the display of public lists.

In checking the archives I found this message from
Sramsey at east.delfin.com dated Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:46:45 -0400 

<quote>
I had posted a question earlier about missing Public lists.  Turns out
the URL that points to the Mailman was incorrect.  This is a test List
server and the A record has not been created in our DNS zone.  So for
now I have to use the IP address in the URL.  Simple fix when I'm ready
to take this thing live.
</quote>

Both forms of address are in the dns with the same ip and my site can be
reached either way. Do I have something wrong in my apache configuration?
Is Mailman tied to only one? BTW, he was able to access the list page
and subscribe by using the list name, which leads me to believe the
problem is in the public list display code.

(This is a home system runnning debian 2.2. Mailman is still 1.1)

-- 
"FIJA is not a double-edged sword --- it is a shield against the sword of
government."
        --- Tom Glass
		   Rick Pasotto email: rickp at telocity.com



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  1 05:33:22 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:33:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] public lists not visible
Message-ID: <200012010431.UAA07083@utopia.west.sun.com>

Read the comment by VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW in Defaults.py.
(If you decide to change it, remember to change it in mm_cfg.py.)

> Could someone help me understand what's happening here.
> 
> A user told me that when he accessed the mailman info page no mailing
> lists were displayed. And yet whenever I accessed the info page they
> were. He sent me a screen capture which allowed me to notice that he had
> accessed my site with 'www.niof.net' but lazy me always used just
> 'niof.net'. Somehow that affects the display of public lists.




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  1 05:43:16 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:43:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom templates for each list
Message-ID: <200012010441.UAA07325@utopia.west.sun.com>

I've updated my patch for 2.0final.

http://sourceforge.net/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=100953&group_id=103

> > > How can I set up custom templates (meaning the text files in the
> > > ~mailman/templates directory) for each mailing list?
> >
> > You can't; that's what we were just talking about today.  I had
> > a patch that worked for 2.0beta5; I'm updating it to 2.0final.
> > It's not a very clean solution, but it works for me and Harold
> > Paulson.  I'll post a note when I've got the patch reposted.
> 
> Thank you very much for the quick reply. How soon do you think you'll have
> it ready for 2.0final? Also, does it include web based modifying of those
> templates, or just by hand on the server?
> 
> I have a client that needs this functionality, so wanted to get it set up
> ASAP for them. I'm wondering if it will take you some time to get it
> upgraded, perhaps I could use your patch with 2.0beta5 until you have it
> updated for final?




From joel at knocean.com  Fri Dec  1 08:19:56 2000
From: joel at knocean.com (Joel Shellman)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:19:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom templates for each list
References: <200012010441.UAA07325@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <006401c05b67$1b84a1d0$13551518@cx403972a>

Thank you. When trying to make install after getting that patch, I get the
following output:

Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py ...
inconsistent dedent
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509
    fp = open(file)
                   ^
SyntaxError: invalid token
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
inconsistent dedent
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/update", line 31, in ?
    from Mailman import Utils
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509
    fp = open(file)

What's wrong?

Thanks,

-joel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>; <joel at knocean.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Custom templates for each list


> I've updated my patch for 2.0final.
>
>
http://sourceforge.net/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=100953&group_id=103
>
> > > > How can I set up custom templates (meaning the text files in the
> > > > ~mailman/templates directory) for each mailing list?
> > >
> > > You can't; that's what we were just talking about today.  I had
> > > a patch that worked for 2.0beta5; I'm updating it to 2.0final.
> > > It's not a very clean solution, but it works for me and Harold
> > > Paulson.  I'll post a note when I've got the patch reposted.
> >
> > Thank you very much for the quick reply. How soon do you think you'll
have
> > it ready for 2.0final? Also, does it include web based modifying of
those
> > templates, or just by hand on the server?
> >
> > I have a client that needs this functionality, so wanted to get it set
up
> > ASAP for them. I'm wondering if it will take you some time to get it
> > upgraded, perhaps I could use your patch with 2.0beta5 until you have it
> > updated for final?
>
>




From joel at knocean.com  Fri Dec  1 08:26:01 2000
From: joel at knocean.com (Joel Shellman)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:26:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom templates for each list
References: <200012010441.UAA07325@utopia.west.sun.com> <006401c05b67$1b84a1d0$13551518@cx403972a>
Message-ID: <00a101c05b67$f51cac30$13551518@cx403972a>

I think I found my own solution. Apparently python relies on indentation?
Anyway, look at the patch for that line (509 for Utils.py) and you'll see
that that line is not indented properly--or at least doesn't match up to the
line before or after. Fixing that indentation seemed to allow it to compile.

-joel


> Thank you. When trying to make install after getting that patch, I get the
> following output:
>
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py ...
> inconsistent dedent
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509
>     fp = open(file)
>                    ^
> SyntaxError: invalid token
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
> Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
> Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> inconsistent dedent
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/update", line 31, in ?
>     from Mailman import Utils
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509
>     fp = open(file)
>
> What's wrong?






From joel at knocean.com  Fri Dec  1 08:42:13 2000
From: joel at knocean.com (Joel Shellman)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:42:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom templates for each list
References: <200012010441.UAA07325@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <012001c05b6a$3875d040$13551518@cx403972a>

Thanks a lot! Seems to be working fine.

Are there any plans to make these editable from the web administration site?
Just wondering if it's something that's already planned to be done.

Thanks,

-joel shellman
http://www.knocean.com/

> I've updated my patch for 2.0final.
>
>
http://sourceforge.net/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=100953&group_id=103
>
> > > > How can I set up custom templates (meaning the text files in the
> > > > ~mailman/templates directory) for each mailing list?
> > >
> > > You can't; that's what we were just talking about today.  I had
> > > a patch that worked for 2.0beta5; I'm updating it to 2.0final.
> > > It's not a very clean solution, but it works for me and Harold
> > > Paulson.  I'll post a note when I've got the patch reposted.
> >
> > Thank you very much for the quick reply. How soon do you think you'll
have
> > it ready for 2.0final? Also, does it include web based modifying of
those
> > templates, or just by hand on the server?
> >
> > I have a client that needs this functionality, so wanted to get it set
up
> > ASAP for them. I'm wondering if it will take you some time to get it
> > upgraded, perhaps I could use your patch with 2.0beta5 until you have it
> > updated for final?
>
>




From jan.verroest at 1eeurope.be  Fri Dec  1 12:35:28 2000
From: jan.verroest at 1eeurope.be (Jan Verroest)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 12:35:28 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman apache / python problem
Message-ID: <4B67D93B3C8CD311AE81009027D5E55E802B50@DAVINCI>

Hi,

i'm running mailman on solaris sparc but have a problem with the cgi's 
the user executed by the apache user & group ( nobody / nobody ) 
the GID is ok, but the python scripts can't be executed and i get
this error in my apache logs : 

ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libtk8.3.so: open failed: No such
file or directory
[Fri Dec  1 11:30:27 2000] [error] [client 192.168.0.38] Premature end of
script headers: /softraid/services/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

the libs are in the PATH of the user root and nobody 
i can execute the scripts as user nobdy without any problems 

all help appreciated,

thx

-Jan 






From yann.forget at ynternet.org  Fri Dec  1 15:21:16 2000
From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:21:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
Message-ID: <3A27B3DC.C9E2B261@ynternet.org>

Hi,

> The mylist at my-dom.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your
> consideration at:
> 
>         http://url
>         
> Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of
> pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily.
> 
> 
> Pending posts:
>      From: admin at my-dom.org on Fri Dec  1 02:50:02 2000
>     Cause: Message has implicit destination

Why is this message defered ?
What that means ?

Thanks,
Yann

Headers :
> Return-Path: <tresor at xxx.org>
> Delivered-To: list at xxx.org
> Received: from marie (eniac.ynternet.ch [195.202.xxx.xxx])
> 	by bull.xxx.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D102D7E14
> 	for <dynamitdev at xxx.org>; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:07:07 +0100 (CET)
> Message-ID: <00ef01c05a82$9e3510a0$0800a8c0 at xxx.org>
> Reply-To: "Marie" <tresor at xxx.org>
> From: "Marie" <tresor at xxx.org>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;@xxx.org>
> Subject: Pour faire des jaloux...
> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:58:16 +0100
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> 	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C05A8A.26A04C00"
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600



From yann.forget at ynternet.org  Fri Dec  1 15:22:32 2000
From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:22:32 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] real_name attribute not changed!
Message-ID: <3A27B428.21693FB6@ynternet.org>

Hi,

Another problem :

>real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only.

What's that ?
Yann



From jan.verroest at 1eeurope.be  Fri Dec  1 13:53:00 2000
From: jan.verroest at 1eeurope.be (Jan Verroest)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:53:00 +0100 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman apache / python problem solved
Message-ID: <4B67D93B3C8CD311AE81009027D5E55E802B52@DAVINCI>

stupid me 

problem solved PasEnv LD.....
stupid me 

cheers 

-Jan  

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Verroest [mailto:jan.verroest at 1eeurope.be]
Sent: vrijdag 1 december 2000 3:35
To: 'mailman-users at python.org'
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman apache / python problem


Hi,

i'm running mailman on solaris sparc but have a problem with the cgi's 
the user executed by the apache user & group ( nobody / nobody ) 
the GID is ok, but the python scripts can't be executed and i get
this error in my apache logs : 

ld.so.1: /usr/local/bin/python: fatal: libtk8.3.so: open failed: No such
file or directory
[Fri Dec  1 11:30:27 2000] [error] [client 192.168.0.38] Premature end of
script headers: /softraid/services/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

the libs are in the PATH of the user root and nobody 
i can execute the scripts as user nobdy without any problems 

all help appreciated,

thx

-Jan 




------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Fri Dec  1 14:32:15 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination 
In-Reply-To: Message from Yann Forget <yann.forget@ynternet.org> 
   of "Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:21:16 +0100." <3A27B3DC.C9E2B261@ynternet.org> 
Message-ID: <E141qIR-0002yI-00@rioja.localnet>

yann.forget at ynternet.org said:
> Why is this message defered ? What that means ? 

> Pending posts:
>      From: admin at my-dom.org on Fri Dec  1 02:50:02 2000
>     Cause: Message has implicit destination

The message does not have the list address in either the To: or Cc: 
headers.  This is often a sign of spam or other stuff that should not 
be going to the list.

See the list "Privacy options" page, first item in the "Spam-specific 
posting filters", the help for which reads:-

 require_explicit_destination (privacy): Must posts have list named in
 destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names,
 specified below)?

 Many (in fact, most) spams do not explicitly name their myriad
 destinations in the explicit destination addresses - in fact, often
 the to field has a totally bogus address for obfuscation. The
 constraint applies only to the stuff in the address before the '@'
 sign, but still catches all such spams.

 The cost is that the list will not accept unhindered any postings
 relayed from other addresses, unless 
  1. The relaying address has the same name, or
  2. The relaying address name is included on the options that
     specifies acceptable aliases for the list. 

also, your other posting:-

yann.forget at ynternet.org said:
> real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name
> by case only. 

You modified the list name (first item on the "General options" page.  
The list name *cannot* be changed since it is used as the email 
aliasname etc.  However you can tweak the way that they name is 
presented, so if you have a list called test-list you can change it 
here to
	Test-list
	Test-List
	TEST-LIST
	TeSt-LiSt
etc
but you cannot change it to
	another-list

...documentation:-
 real_name (general): The public name of this list (make case-changes
 only).

 The capitalization of this name can be changed to make it presentable
 in polite company as a proper noun, or to make an acronym part all
 upper case, etc. However, the name will be advertised as the email
 address (e.g., in subscribe confirmation notices), so it should not be
 otherwise altered. (Email addresses are not case sensitive, but they
 are sensitive to almost everything else:-) 


	Nigel.



-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From yann.forget at ynternet.org  Fri Dec  1 17:12:55 2000
From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:12:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message has implicit destination
References: <E141qIR-0002yI-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <3A27CE07.EA538566@ynternet.org>

Nigel Metheringham a ?crit :
> 
> yann.forget at ynternet.org said:
> > Why is this message defered ? What that means ?
> 
> > Pending posts:
> >      From: admin at my-dom.org on Fri Dec  1 02:50:02 2000
> >     Cause: Message has implicit destination

Thanks a lot. I had beta5 version (Debian) which 
has a very serious bug : 
it's deleting all config options when you tried
to validate a mail in waiting.

So for those who are still using betas version : UPDATE !
Yann



From pawal at blipp.com  Fri Dec  1 16:03:21 2000
From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:03:21 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] authentication failed problems with mailman 2
 .0rc1
In-Reply-To: <D1033228C68FD4119921009027D6107308EF@EXCHANGE2>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012011601530.8736-100000@vic20.blipp.com>

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Torjus Jensen wrote:

> BTW - this is the exact problem we're having as well, and the mmsitepass
> password does not work either. In our case, the problem occurs for all
> lists.

Same here, mmsitepass does not work, no admin for any list...
"Authentication failed". This is getting quite annoying.

I still have a few mail that I should forward using the web admin
interface. How can I do this with the cli commands?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Howard [mailto:kent at tensa.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 2:38 AM
> To: Erin Karper
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] authentication failed problems with mailman
> 2.0rc1
>
>
> Does the mmsitepass password not work either?
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:52:50PM -0500, Erin Karper wrote:
> +----------
> | When I attempt to access the administrative interface for several lists
> | (http://linnell.english.purdue.edu/mailman/admin/pwadmins, as well as
> | pw-mentor, owl-bwtutors, pita-l, and labstaff), I get "authentication
> | failed" errors, even though I am entering the correct password. I have not
> | made any changes to the list or to mailman that could have caused this
> | problem, and the password was working before; I just suddenly get
> | "authentication failed" errors when trying to get to the
> | administrative interface for some of the lists. However, I can get into
> | the administrative interface for other lists, so it is not a problem that
> | is affecting the entire program.
> +----------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>

--
 patrik wallstrom     |      f o o d f i g h t
 tel: +46-8-6188428   |      s t o c k h o l m
 gsm: +46-708405080   |      - - - - - - - - -
 fax: +46-859827151   |




From mau at beatles.cselt.it  Fri Dec  1 18:11:22 2000
From: mau at beatles.cselt.it (mau at beatles.cselt.it)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:11:22 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting messages from archive
Message-ID: <200012011711.SAA20464@beatles.cselt.it>

"Bob Puff at NLE" wrote:

> Well, again:

> 1) rm the archives (except for the .mbox file)
> 2) edit the mbox file
> 3) run bin/arch

> is not foolproof or trivial, but compared to other "log-reduction"
> tools, it ain't bad.

I tried it, but I noticed that I still see *the subjects* of messages, even
if *the body* is deleted. So I think I did not delete everything ... :-(

ciao, .mau.



From T.Verhoeff at tue.nl  Fri Dec  1 20:42:23 2000
From: T.Verhoeff at tue.nl (Tom Verhoeff)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 20:42:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For Mailman wishlist
Message-ID: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>

Option to select period for password reminders (much like digest
volumes).  Now it is either off or monthly.  I would like yearly
(monthly is too often, yearly seems right for me).

Best regards,

	Tom Verhoeff
	new Mailman list administrator
-- 
E-MAIL: T.Verhoeff at TUE.NL    | Fac. of Math. & Computing Science
PHONE:  +31 40 247 41 25        | Eindhoven University of Technology
FAX:    +31 40 245 17 33        | PO Box 513, NL-5600 MB Eindhoven
http://www.win.tue.nl/~wstomv/  | The Netherlands



From dwight at msb.significant.com  Fri Dec  1 20:47:19 2000
From: dwight at msb.significant.com (Dwight Ernest)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:47:19 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For Mailman wishlist
In-Reply-To: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>; from T.Verhoeff@tue.nl on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:42:23PM +0100
References: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>
Message-ID: <20001201144719.Y2718@significant.com>

I was just going to ask for exactly this. I am just implementing
Mailman, and one of our list admins thinks the same way (she is very
experienced about list management). I would make it tunable: every
month, every other month, every third month, every 6th, every year.

--Dwight


On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:42:23PM +0100, Tom Verhoeff wrote:
> Option to select period for password reminders (much like digest
> volumes).  Now it is either off or monthly.  I would like yearly
> (monthly is too often, yearly seems right for me).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 	Tom Verhoeff
> 	new Mailman list administrator
> -- 
> E-MAIL: T.Verhoeff at TUE.NL    | Fac. of Math. & Computing Science
> PHONE:  +31 40 247 41 25        | Eindhoven University of Technology
> FAX:    +31 40 245 17 33        | PO Box 513, NL-5600 MB Eindhoven
> http://www.win.tue.nl/~wstomv/  | The Netherlands
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From dgc at uchicago.edu  Fri Dec  1 20:51:12 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 13:51:12 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: For Mailman wishlist
In-Reply-To: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>; from T.Verhoeff@tue.nl on Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:42:23PM +0100
References: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>
Message-ID: <20001201135112.F16055@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.12.01, in <3A27FF1F.32F3370D at TUE.NL>,
	"Tom Verhoeff" <T.Verhoeff at tue.nl> wrote:
> Option to select period for password reminders (much like digest
> volumes).  Now it is either off or monthly.  I would like yearly
> (monthly is too often, yearly seems right for me).

It's a cron task; you can just tune the crontab parameters.  This is
what we've done.  The only problem is the multiple texts that refer to
the "monthly password reminder" messages.  Those should be altered not
to refer to the time period at all, I think.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Dec  1 20:51:43 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 11:51:43 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For Mailman wishlist
In-Reply-To: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>
References: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>
Message-ID: <p0433010eb64db1751c61@[17.216.27.237]>

At 8:42 PM +0100 12/1/00, Tom Verhoeff wrote:
>Option to select period for password reminders (much like digest
>volumes).  Now it is either off or monthly.  I would like yearly
>(monthly is too often, yearly seems right for me).

It really needs to be done per-list, and yes, you need to be able to 
specify the period. My big machine (40K subscribers) is thrashing 
like crazy today because of the password stuff (and other unrelated 
factors. Im' not sure which caused the real problem, but the 
combination ofa bout three things put the machine into spasms).

FWIW, sending the passwords is a cron job. so you can cut it's 
frequency or change time by updating the cron entry.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

The vet said it was behavioral, but I prefer to think of it as genetic.
It cuts down on the liability -- Get Fuzzy



From bob at nleaudio.com  Fri Dec  1 20:59:12 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:59:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom templates for each list
References: <200012010441.UAA07325@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <3A280310.8E674F55@nleaudio.com>

Is there a quick howto that tells how to implement these patches?

Bob



From glauz at total.net  Fri Dec  1 21:27:20 2000
From: glauz at total.net (Guy Lauzière)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:27:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Martin
Message-ID: <3A2809A8.349E7F0D@total.net>

Bonjour Martin

Je me suis joins ? Jos?e Gagnon pour g?rer Ornitho-qc. Nous avons
configur? mon ordinateur pour que je puisse recevoir les messages qui
sont envoy?es aux administrateurs. J'ai ouvert un comte dans Outlook
Express ? cette fin. Il semble j'ai acc?s. Cependant j'ai toujours un
message qui me dit que je n'ai pas le bon mot de passe. J'ai v?rifi?
avec Jos? et nous ne comprenons ce qui se passe. Le nom utilis? est :
ornithoadm et le mot de passe est just4us3. J'appr?cierais que tu puise
m'aider.

Bien v?tre

Guy Lauzi?re



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  1 23:42:30 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:42:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Custom templates for each list
Message-ID: <200012012240.OAA00712@utopia.west.sun.com>

Make sure you download the raw patch from Sourceforge, and apply
it with patch.

Yes, Python relies on indentation, and the indentation isn't different;
it's just that one line uses spaces, and one line uses tabs, so when
the "+ " is added to the front of the line by the unified diff,
they end up looking different.

> I think I found my own solution. Apparently python relies on indentation?
> Anyway, look at the patch for that line (509 for Utils.py) and you'll see
> that that line is not indented properly--or at least doesn't match up to the
> line before or after. Fixing that indentation seemed to allow it to compile.
> 
> -joel
> 
> 
> > Thank you. When trying to make install after getting that patch, I get the
> > following output:
> >
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py ...
> > inconsistent dedent
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509
> >     fp = open(file)
> >                    ^
> > SyntaxError: invalid token
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/aliases.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py ...
> > Listing /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/cgi.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ...
> > Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> > inconsistent dedent
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "bin/update", line 31, in ?
> >     from Mailman import Utils
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 509
> >     fp = open(file)
> >
> > What's wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From mtran at bmedesign.com  Fri Dec  1 23:33:37 2000
From: mtran at bmedesign.com (mike tran)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 15:33:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman error
Message-ID: <3A282740.9DCB2288@bmedesign.com>

I have mailman up and running.  However, when people subscribe to the
list it does not automatically add new users.
Does mailman need to be install on the local mail server?  Please help.





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  1 23:54:54 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:54:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman error
Message-ID: <200012012253.OAA01249@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I have mailman up and running.  However, when people subscribe to the
> list it does not automatically add new users.
> Does mailman need to be install on the local mail server?  Please help.

Not enough information to help.  "Can mailman add subscriptions
without administrator help?"  Yes, certainly, that's at least
80% of its functionality for most lists.




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Dec  2 00:07:35 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 15:07:35 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For Mailman wishlist
In-Reply-To: <p0433010eb64db1751c61@[17.216.27.237]>
References: <3A27FF1F.32F3370D@TUE.NL>
 <p0433010eb64db1751c61@[17.216.27.237]>
Message-ID: <p04330108b64ddf821b1e@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:51 AM -0800 12/1/00, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

>It really needs to be done per-list, and yes, you need to be able to 
>specify the period. My big machine (40K subscribers) is thrashing 
>like crazy today because of the password stuff

oh, man. Looks like I get to turn off password mailing until I come 
up with a different way of doing this. It is *not* going well (10 
hours after it started....). I actually had to turn off qrunner for 
the time being, so the machine's effectively down...

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

The vet said it was behavioral, but I prefer to think of it as genetic.
It cuts down on the liability -- Get Fuzzy



From jerrya at jerrya.net  Sat Dec  2 02:44:09 2000
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:44:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc recipe?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012011941020.10566-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

Does anyone have a working mhonarc installation they could share? I am
interested in how to set Mailman to archive with it, including private
archives and decoded MIME attachments. Also if the archive format were
similar to the builtin archive style, that would be nice.

Thank you very much in advance.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel





From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Dec  2 05:06:04 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 20:06:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc recipe? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya@jerrya.net> 
   of "Fri, 01 Dec 2000 19:44:09 CST." <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012011941020.10566-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012011941020.10566-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net> 
Message-ID: <18110.975729964@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:44:09 -0600 (CST) 
Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya at jerrya.net> wrote:

> Does anyone have a working mhonarc installation they could share?
> I am interested in how to set Mailman to archive with it,
> including private archives and decoded MIME attachments. Also if
> the archive format were similar to the builtin archive style, that
> would be nice.

My archiving style is very disimilar to the default Mailman's, and I 
invoke it by subscribing a special archiver account to the mailing
list in question (for assorted reasons I explicitly don't want it
invoked directly by Mailman).  You can find all the relevant config
files here (the new PHP based things)

  ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/

Which end up looking like the pages under here:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/

The configs for my older style (no PHP, no reply feature, etc) can
be found here:

  ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives.old/

MHonArc handles MIME near automatically.  Example:

  http://www.kanga.nu/archives/Meta-L/2000Q2/msg00345.php

Wherein the original (HTML) message had the JPEGsd as attachments.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                        : http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jerrya at jerrya.net  Sat Dec  2 05:30:14 2000
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:30:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc recipe? 
In-Reply-To: <18110.975729964@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012012211240.10566-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, J C Lawrence wrote:

> My archiving style is very disimilar to the default Mailman's, and I 
> invoke it by subscribing a special archiver account to the mailing
> list in question (for assorted reasons I explicitly don't want it
> invoked directly by Mailman).  You can find all the relevant config
> files here (the new PHP based things)

[snip!]

Thanks, there's some good stuff there. Does your setup allow for private
archives as well?

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From mbrennen at fni.com  Sat Dec  2 05:32:16 2000
From: mbrennen at fni.com (Michael Brennen)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:32:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc recipe?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012011941020.10566-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012012219270.9409-100000@henry.fni.com>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Jerry Adlersfluegel wrote:

> Does anyone have a working mhonarc installation they could
> share? I am interested in how to set Mailman to archive with it,
> including private archives and decoded MIME attachments. Also if
> the archive format were similar to the builtin archive style,
> that would be nice.

For straightforward archving, I subscribe a special address to the
mailman list.  Then, in the .procmailrc file for that special
account I have the following:

:0
* ^.*the_list_name@
|/full/path/to/archives/mh


The 'mh' script is below.  It automatically archives to a folder
YYYYMM under the main .../archives directory.  The index.php3 page
in .../archives automatically builds the list of available archived
months, so the system maintains itself.

   -- Michael


#!/usr/bin/perl

$mn=(localtime())[4]+1;
$yr=(localtime())[5];
$yr=1900+$yr;
$mdir=sprintf("/full/path/to/archives/%4d%02d",$yr,$mn);
umask(022);
if ( !(-e $mdir) ) {
        mkdir($mdir,0755);
}
open(MH,"|/path/to/mhonarc -umask=022 -quiet -add ".
        "-rcfile /usr/local/lib/MHonArc/resource/list_name.rc ".
	"-outdir $mdir -- -");
while (<>) {
        print MH;
}
close MH;




From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Dec  2 06:49:51 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 21:49:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mhonarc recipe? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya@jerrya.net> 
   of "Fri, 01 Dec 2000 22:30:14 CST." <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012012211240.10566-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net> 
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012012211240.10566-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net> 
Message-ID: <32222.975736191@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 22:30:14 -0600 (CST) 
Jerry Adlersfluegel <jerrya at jerrya.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> My archiving style is very disimilar to the default Mailman's,
>> and I invoke it by subscribing a special archiver account to the
>> mailing list in question (for assorted reasons I explicitly don't
>> want it invoked directly by Mailman).  You can find all the
>> relevant config files here (the new PHP based things)

> [snip!]

> Thanks, there's some good stuff there. Does your setup allow for
> private archives as well?

No, although you could do that through .htaccess or similar.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                        : http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From cscheong at inovatif.net  Sat Dec  2 07:20:59 2000
From: cscheong at inovatif.net (Chee-Siong Cheong)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:20:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID for CGI
Message-ID: <20541.63.227.67.126.975738059.squirrel@inovatif.net>

Hi,

I got this error while trying to connect to mailman from browser. 
the error messages are

"GET /mailman/ HTTP/1.0" 403 275" 
in access_log

"attempt to invoke directory as script: /home/mailman/cgi-bin"
in error_log

I presume this is the wrong GID or UID for CGI scripts. If so, how do I
check my CGI GID as the error message didn't show the expected GID. 

Thanks.
-- 





From james at nexengroup.com  Sat Dec  2 17:59:53 2000
From: james at nexengroup.com (James Hanson)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 10:59:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #907 - 16 msgs (On Vacation)
Message-ID: <sa28d643.042@nexengroup.com>

I will be out of the office until Monday, December 11th, 2000.




From gooday at okongcomp.com  Sat Dec  2 18:31:04 2000
From: gooday at okongcomp.com (±è¿©¼·)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 02:31:04 +0900
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Message-ID: <20001202173437.822B91CDF0@dinsdale.python.org>

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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Sat Dec  2 22:24:55 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 13:24:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID for CGI
References: <20541.63.227.67.126.975738059.squirrel@inovatif.net>
Message-ID: <3A2968A7.FA2148C2@west.sun.com>


Chee-Siong Cheong wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I got this error while trying to connect to mailman from browser.
> the error messages are
> 
> "GET /mailman/ HTTP/1.0" 403 275"
> in access_log
> 
> "attempt to invoke directory as script: /home/mailman/cgi-bin"
> in error_log
> 
> I presume this is the wrong GID or UID for CGI scripts. If so, how do I
> check my CGI GID as the error message didn't show the expected GID.
> 
> Thanks.

Can't get URLs ending in mailman/.  Try, for instance, mailman/listinfo.

We should probably have an index.html to install in mailman/ to avoid
this question.



From darron at javelindigital.com  Sat Dec  2 22:31:35 2000
From: darron at javelindigital.com (Darron Froese)
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 14:31:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID for CGI
In-Reply-To: <3A2968A7.FA2148C2@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <B64EB846.70A2%darron@javelindigital.com>

On 12/2/00 2:24 PM, "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at west.sun.com> wrote:

>> "GET /mailman/ HTTP/1.0" 403 275"
>> in access_log
>> 
>> "attempt to invoke directory as script: /home/mailman/cgi-bin"
>> in error_log
>> 
>> I presume this is the wrong GID or UID for CGI scripts. If so, how do I
>> check my CGI GID as the error message didn't show the expected GID.
>> 
>> Thanks.
> 
> Can't get URLs ending in mailman/.  Try, for instance, mailman/listinfo.
> 
> We should probably have an index.html to install in mailman/ to avoid
> this question.

I've added this to my Apache httpd.conf:

ErrorDocument 404 /mailman/listinfo
ErrorDocument 403 /mailman/listinfo

That way, if someone tries to get /mailman/ it just sends them to the page
with the lists on that virtualhost.

It seems to work pretty well for the 403's but I'm not sure if that's the
right way to do a 404. It may prove problematic (user wise) when I actually
deploy it but I'll have to see then.
--
darron froese
new media technologist
sutton javelin corporate communications
t  403.265.9980
f  403.265.7662
e  darron at javelindigital.com




From Peter.Husemann at t-online.de  Sat Dec  2 23:30:14 2000
From: Peter.Husemann at t-online.de (Peter Husemann)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 23:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PC BIOS functions in protected mode
Message-ID: <000701c05caf$7205f880$c9199d3e@pc>

Dear Sirs,

I have read the discussion about PC BIOS functions in protected mode. I am a
bit confused at this point, because I thought, that all BIOS functions are
gone, when switching to protected mode and usinge the memory above 1 MB. I
am interested in that subject, because I would like to write a programm,
which starts let's say from DOS and then switching to protected mode. If I
don't have any BIOS functions (?), how can I read any thing from a disk for
example ?

Sincerely Yours
Peter Husemann




From tome at laplaza.org  Fri Dec  1 08:51:22 2000
From: tome at laplaza.org (tom harris)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 00:51:22 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stop
Message-ID: <3A275879.46BE2680@laplaza.org>

remove me from your list!




From james at nexengroup.com  Sun Dec  3 18:00:39 2000
From: james at nexengroup.com (James Hanson)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 11:00:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #908 - 6 msgs (On Vacation)
Message-ID: <sa2a27dc.076@nexengroup.com>

I will be out of the office until Monday, December 11th, 2000.




From marauder at morepower.com  Sun Dec  3 20:36:26 2000
From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:36:26 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail GID
In-Reply-To: <20001203170119.E07971CDF0@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKKEBDDOAA.marauder@morepower.com>

Have just installed Mailman (2.0b5) on a client's system (brand new install
of Redhat 7) using the RPM provided by Redhat... everything seemed fine but
when I try to send in a test message I get a wrapper error of (wanted GID
12, got GID 65535).

I've seen this behavior a couple of times before on Redhat systems but never
thought much of it (just recompile the wrapper to expect 65535 and all is
well).  I'm just wondering if anyone has any clue of why these systems
report back a group of 65535 to the wrapper when mail is indeed running as
group 12 on the server?  I've thought it was maybe just me when I was
compiling the code by myself, but when I'm downloading a distribution and
having the same issue (well why didn't they fix the bug, HEHE, but that's
beside the point).

Cheers,
>>>>> Mike <<<<<




From trofimenko at mail.dol.net  Sun Dec  3 16:39:02 2000
From: trofimenko at mail.dol.net (M/S Trofimenko)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 15:39:02 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IREX
Message-ID: <3A2A6910.25E8@mail.dol.net>

I do not know what my password is!   Can you halp??

Thanks!




From crosby at startribune.com  Sun Dec  3 23:50:19 2000
From: crosby at startribune.com (Crosby)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:50:19 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug?
Message-ID: <3A2ACE2A.8CB62C3A@startribune.com>

I received this message. Don't know who really needs to receive it. HOpe
you can help. Jackie Crosby/Star Tribune


Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta2

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a
description of what happened. Thanks!

Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 118, in main
    HandleRequests(mlist, doc, form)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 262, in
HandleRequests
    mlist.HandleRequest(request_id, v, comment)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 124, in HandleRequest
    self.__handlepost(data, value, comment)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 200, in __handlepost
    self.LogMsg('vette', note)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in LogMsg
    logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string





Python information:

     Variable
                                       Value
 sys.version
                 1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66
19990314/Linux (egcs-
 sys.executable
                 /usr/bin/python
 sys.prefix
                 /usr
 sys.exec_prefix
                 /usr
 sys.path
                 /usr
 sys.platform
                 linux-i386




Environment variables:

        Variable
                                                                   Value

 DOCUMENT_ROOT
                      /home/httpd/html
 SERVER_ADDR
                      152.52.2.8
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING
                      gzip
 CONTENT_LENGTH
                      3854
 CONTENT_TYPE
                      application/x-www-form-urlencoded
 PATH_TRANSLATED
                      /home/httpd/html/govikings
 REMOTE_ADDR
                      132.148.80.211
 HTTP_COOKIE

govikings:admin="(lp1\012F975884215.66769302\012aI975895015\012aS'\\356\\025S7\\323\\230m\\177\\363\\252eY\\331\\356\\344\\232'\012p2\012a."

 SERVER_PROTOCOL
                      HTTP/1.0
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
                      en
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE
                      CGI/1.1
 SERVER_PORT
                      80
 HTTP_USER_AGENT
                      Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; I)
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET
                      iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
 HTTP_ACCEPT
                      image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
 REQUEST_URI
                      /mailman/admindb/govikings
 PATH
                      /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
 QUERY_STRING
 SCRIPT_FILENAME
                      /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb
 PATH_INFO
                      /govikings
 HTTP_HOST
                      lists.nandomedia.com
 REQUEST_METHOD
                      POST
 SERVER_SIGNATURE
                      Apache/1.3.12 Server at lists Port 80
 SCRIPT_NAME
                      /mailman/admindb
 SERVER_ADMIN
                      root at localhost
 SERVER_SOFTWARE
                      Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) (Red Hat/Linux) PHP/3.0.15
mod_perl/1.21
 PYTHONPATH
                      /home/mailman
 HTTP_REFERER

http://lists.nandomedia.com/mailman/admindb/govikings
 SERVER_NAME
                      lists
 REMOTE_PORT
                      55538




From msimon at simdol.com  Mon Dec  4 05:13:48 2000
From: msimon at simdol.com (Mathew Simon)
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:13:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help-Mailman GID Problem
Message-ID: <3A2B19FC.EDE985B6@simdol.com>

Hi,

I have just installed Mailman-2.0 and have an installation related
problem. Any help would be appreciated.

Platform: RedHat Linux 7.0
Mail (MTA): Postfix, group=postfix=89
Web Server: Apache, group=apache=48

I used the configure with the following options.
./configure --with-mail-gid=89 --with-cgi-gid=48

I was able to complete the installation without any problems. But after
creating a test list (called "testlist"), I am unable to confirm the
subscription, since the email is getting returned undelivered with the
following message. please note that the gid=99 is the group 'nobody' on
my machine.

                        The Postfix program

<testlist-request at indiaforum.org>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist". Command output:
Failure to
    exec script. WANTED gid 89, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

I don't know whether this is a Postfix configuration problem or a
Mailman problem. The Postfix is otherwise working fine. I am relatively
new to Linux, Postfix, and Mailman (even though I have considerable
experience in the software field). Any help to resolve this problem
would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mathew Simon




From joel at knocean.com  Mon Dec  4 12:33:50 2000
From: joel at knocean.com (Joel Shellman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:33:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to login to admin
Message-ID: <021501c05de6$12f289c0$13551518@cx403972a>

I installed the per-list custom templates patch and now when I try to log
into adminstration page, I get the following error in the error log:

Dec 04 05:35:12 2000 admin(17961):
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(17961): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
admin(17961): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(17961): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(17961):     main()
admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 135, in main
admin(17961):     FormatConfiguration(doc, mlist, category, category_suffix,
cgidata)
admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 284, in
FormatConfiguratio
n
admin(17961):     form.AddItem(FormatOptionsSection(category, mlist,
cgi_data))
admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 301, in
FormatOptionsSecti
on
admin(17961):     options = GetConfigOptions(mlist, category)
admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 928, in
GetConfigOptions
admin(17961):     return mlist.GetConfigInfo()[category]
admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 350, in
GetConfigInfo
admin(17961):     config_info['digest'] = Digester.GetConfigInfo(self)
admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 44, in
GetConfigInfo
admin(17961):     return [
admin(17961): TypeError: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 1
admin(17961): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(17961): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC
egcs-2.91.66 199903
14/Linux (egcs-
admin(17961): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python

Anyone know how to fix this?

Thank you!

-joel




From skarish at pipeline.com  Mon Dec  4 17:40:02 2000
From: skarish at pipeline.com (Shirley Karish)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:40:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ScanSoft
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001204114002.007b9c30@pop.pipeline.com>

Is there a User Forum being developed for ScanSoft, or do they have no
email HELP access at all for Tech Support? The Web site is confusing.

S Karish
skarish at pipeline.com



From jfreeman at connix.com  Mon Dec  4 17:41:14 2000
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:41:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ScanSoft
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001204114002.007b9c30@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1001204113932.2200N-100000@comet.connix.com>

hahaha!

I used to be the Internet Program mgr. there.  I used mailman to set up
forums for all of their products (i resigned a year ago).. 

There were some great people on those forums...


who knows what they're doing now.  The new CTO threw out all of the
open-source software we were using on the website(s) and said he was
going to move everything over to MicroSerf.

J.

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Shirley
Karish wrote:

> Is there a User Forum being developed for ScanSoft, or do they have no
> email HELP access at all for Tech Support? The Web site is confusing.
> 
> S Karish
> skarish at pipeline.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From dstcruz at southern.edu  Mon Dec  4 17:50:59 2000
From: dstcruz at southern.edu (Daniel Santa Cruz)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:50:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012041148270.29333-100000@ns.southern.edu>

I have been given the job of creating a few lists for a decent size
organization.  These lists all have pretty much the same "options".  I
have been trying to figure out a way of having some kind of a template
list which I can "clone".  Any ideas on how I solve my problem?

-- 
*************************************************************************
God Bless!!

DDDD  SSSSS CCCCC  Daniel Santa Cruz
D   D S     C	   Talge Hall Room 274
D   D SSSSS C	   PO Box 569
D   D     S C      Collegedale, TN 37315-0569
DDDD  SSSSS CCCCC  Phone: (423) 238-3274

E-mail: dstcruz at southern.edu




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Mon Dec  4 17:56:10 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:56:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ScanSoft
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1001204113932.2200N-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012040855200.11935-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> I used to be the Internet Program mgr. there.  I used mailman to set up
> forums for all of their products (i resigned a year ago).. 

Too bad you put the "These forums are run using Mailmsn" link at the top
of the page, where users can click them to post Scansoft questions on the
Mailman list :) 

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From m at whiteywillpay.net  Mon Dec  4 17:56:25 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:56:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] templates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012041148270.29333-100000@ns.southern.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012041155540.40116-100000@qenni.pair.com>

You can use config_list to read out the settings of one list, save it to a
text filem and then put it in as the settings for all lists.

Matt Singerman               | "Don't feel sad, I'm in heaven now,
m at whiteywillpay.net          |  singing with the pretty angels"
http://whiteywillpay.net/    |   -- JonBenet Ramsey

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Daniel Santa Cruz wrote:

> I have been given the job of creating a few lists for a decent size
> organization.  These lists all have pretty much the same "options".  I
> have been trying to figure out a way of having some kind of a template
> list which I can "clone".  Any ideas on how I solve my problem?
>
> --
> *************************************************************************
> God Bless!!
>
> DDDD  SSSSS CCCCC  Daniel Santa Cruz
> D   D S     C	   Talge Hall Room 274
> D   D SSSSS C	   PO Box 569
> D   D     S C      Collegedale, TN 37315-0569
> DDDD  SSSSS CCCCC  Phone: (423) 238-3274
>
> E-mail: dstcruz at southern.edu
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From jfreeman at connix.com  Mon Dec  4 17:57:31 2000
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:57:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ScanSoft
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012040855200.11935-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1001204115717.2200O-100000@comet.connix.com>

Hey, give me a break, I haven't had input on that website in over a
year!

J.

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > I used to be the Internet Program mgr. there.  I used mailman to set up
> > forums for all of their products (i resigned a year ago).. 
> 
> Too bad you put the "These forums are run using Mailmsn" link at the top
> of the page, where users can click them to post Scansoft questions on the
> Mailman list :) 
> 
> -- 
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
> PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
> "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S.. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From jfreeman at connix.com  Mon Dec  4 17:58:13 2000
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:58:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ScanSoft
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012040855200.11935-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1001204115754.2200P-100000@comet.connix.com>

i doubt that's my typo...

I wasn't doing all the hands on at the time...

J.

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Roger
B.A. Klorese wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > I used to be the Internet Program mgr. there.  I used mailman to set up
> > forums for all of their products (i resigned a year ago).. 
> 
> Too bad you put the "These forums are run using Mailmsn" link at the top
> of the page, where users can click them to post Scansoft questions on the
> Mailman list :) 
> 
> -- 
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
> PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
> "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick
> 
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Mon Dec  4 18:10:37 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:10:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ScanSoft
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1001204115754.2200P-100000@comet.connix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012040909060.12392-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> i doubt that's my typo...

No, it's MY typo... I meant that the page is so poorly constructed that
many users think that if they want Scansoft help, they click the first
link... which is to http://www.lists.org -- and then click the "got a
question?" link on the left... which points to this list.

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From james at nexengroup.com  Mon Dec  4 18:07:29 2000
From: james at nexengroup.com (James Hanson)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:07:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #909 - 11 msgs (On Vacation)
Message-ID: <sa2b7b17.030@nexengroup.com>

I will be out of the office until Monday, December 11th, 2000.




From ghamm at ghks.de  Mon Dec  4 18:25:36 2000
From: ghamm at ghks.de (Hamm, Gottfried)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:25:36 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] localization
Message-ID: <065DF97CCA0B7347BE797A980F19B2B2047B4C@sandino.ghks.de>

Hi all,

are there any plans to make a localization of mailman? I'm ISP in
Germany and my customers would like to have the templates and all pages
in German. Actually I'm translating the templates. Where could I send
the translated templates to (probably) include them in a future release?

Kind regards,

Gottfried

-- 
Gottfried Hamm
Phone +49 (6249) 905005 | Fax +49 (6249) 905004
mailto:ghamm at ghks.de | http://www.ghks.de



From jfreeman at connix.com  Mon Dec  4 18:44:24 2000
From: jfreeman at connix.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:44:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ScanSoft
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012040909060.12392-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.1001204124407.11414B-100000@comet.connix.com>

where does the page in question live?..on whose server?  scansoft's?

J.

On
Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> > i doubt that's my typo...
> 
> No, it's MY typo... I meant that the page is so poorly constructed that
> many users think that if they want Scansoft help, they click the first
> link... which is to http://www.lists.org -- and then click the "got a
> question?" link on the left... which points to this list.
> 
> -- 
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
> PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
> "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

         -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
           Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: jfreeman at connix.com  
                   pgp public key: finger jfreeman at connix.com
                          http://www.threeofus.com
                 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-




From Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov  Mon Dec  4 18:55:28 2000
From: Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov (Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Variables
Message-ID: <0012049759.AA975952570@ccgate.nywd.uscourts.gov>

Hi,

Because of the Federal Judiciary's use of CC:Mail, I'm losing some information
in Mailman lists that are essential.  Primarily, I need the sender's name
inserted somewhere in the body of the text.  Is there an environment variable I
can use that can insert the sender's name?

Also, is there a documented list of variables that are available?

Thanks!

Pat Healy
U.S. District Court NYWD
patrick_healy at nywd.uscourts.gov




From katie at scs.agilent.com  Mon Dec  4 19:32:35 2000
From: katie at scs.agilent.com (Katherine Dukelow)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:32:35 PST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] disappearing web-page
Message-ID: <200012041832.KAA25881@charm.scs.agilent.com>

Hi,
  I just very recently started running mailman and I have one real list up and
running along with several test lists.  Recently, the admin page for my real
list started returning an error claiming that the document contains no data.
The listinfo page is fine and contains all of the correct information and the
admin pages for my other test lists are fine.  Does anyone know where I should
start looking?

Thanks,
Katie



From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Mon Dec  4 19:42:59 2000
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:42:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] localization
In-Reply-To: <065DF97CCA0B7347BE797A980F19B2B2047B4C@sandino.ghks.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012041941340.31586-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Hamm, Gottfried wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> are there any plans to make a localization of mailman? I'm ISP in
> Germany and my customers would like to have the templates and all pages
> in German. Actually I'm translating the templates. Where could I send
> the translated templates to (probably) include them in a future release?
Please, look at the mailman-i18n effort before duplicating work. There is
a list to coordinate the tasks, which has archives of all the messages
exchanged to date.

-- 
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Mon Dec  4 20:22:41 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:22:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to login to admin
References: <021501c05de6$12f289c0$13551518@cx403972a>
Message-ID: <3A2BEF01.A1852E59@west.sun.com>

Another indentation problem or other syntax error
from trying to apply the patch by hand?

This is what GetConfigInfo should look like (in Digester.py):

    def GetConfigInfo(self):
        WIDTH = mm_cfg.TEXTFIELDWIDTH

        return [
            "Batched-delivery digest characteristics.",

            ('digestable', mm_cfg.Toggle, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
             'Can list members choose to receive list traffic '
             'bunched in digests?'),

            ('digest_is_default', mm_cfg.Radio,
             ('Regular', 'Digest'), 0,
             'Which delivery mode is the default for new users?'),

            ('mime_is_default_digest', mm_cfg.Radio,
             ('Plain', 'Mime'), 0,
             'When receiving digests, which format is default?'),

            ('digest_size_threshhold', mm_cfg.Number, 3, 0,
             'How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out?'),
            # Should offer a 'set to 0' for no size threshhold.

            ('digest_send_periodic', mm_cfg.Radio, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
             'Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold '
             "isn't reached?"),

            ('digest_header', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
             'Header added to every digest',
             "Text attached (as an initial message, before the table"
             " of contents) to the top of digests. "
             + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),

            ('digest_footer', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
             'Footer added to every digest',
             "Text attached (as a final message) to the bottom of digests. "
             + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),
            ]



Joel Shellman wrote:
> 
> I installed the per-list custom templates patch and now when I try to log
> into adminstration page, I get the following error in the error log:
> 
> Dec 04 05:35:12 2000 admin(17961):
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> admin(17961): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
> admin(17961): [----- Traceback ------]
> admin(17961): Traceback (innermost last):
> admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> admin(17961):     main()
> admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 135, in main
> admin(17961):     FormatConfiguration(doc, mlist, category, category_suffix,
> cgidata)
> admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 284, in
> FormatConfiguratio
> n
> admin(17961):     form.AddItem(FormatOptionsSection(category, mlist,
> cgi_data))
> admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 301, in
> FormatOptionsSecti
> on
> admin(17961):     options = GetConfigOptions(mlist, category)
> admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 928, in
> GetConfigOptions
> admin(17961):     return mlist.GetConfigInfo()[category]
> admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 350, in
> GetConfigInfo
> admin(17961):     config_info['digest'] = Digester.GetConfigInfo(self)
> admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 44, in
> GetConfigInfo
> admin(17961):     return [
> admin(17961): TypeError: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 1
> admin(17961): [----- Python Information -----]
> admin(17961): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC
> egcs-2.91.66 199903
> 14/Linux (egcs-
> admin(17961): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
> 
> Anyone know how to fix this?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> -joel
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From jcrey at uma.es  Mon Dec  4 20:30:30 2000
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:30:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to login to admin
References: <021501c05de6$12f289c0$13551518@cx403972a> <3A2BEF01.A1852E59@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <3A2BF0D6.D75B0256@uma.es>

Dan Mick wrote:
> 
> Another indentation problem or other syntax error
> from trying to apply the patch by hand?
> 
> This is what GetConfigInfo should look like (in Digester.py):
> 
>     def GetConfigInfo(self):
>         WIDTH = mm_cfg.TEXTFIELDWIDTH
> 
>         return [
>             "Batched-delivery digest characteristics.",
> 
>             ('digestable', mm_cfg.Toggle, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
>              'Can list members choose to receive list traffic '
>              'bunched in digests?'),
> 
>             ('digest_is_default', mm_cfg.Radio,
>              ('Regular', 'Digest'), 0,
>              'Which delivery mode is the default for new users?'),
> 
>             ('mime_is_default_digest', mm_cfg.Radio,
>              ('Plain', 'Mime'), 0,
>              'When receiving digests, which format is default?'),
> 
>             ('digest_size_threshhold', mm_cfg.Number, 3, 0,
>              'How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out?'),
>             # Should offer a 'set to 0' for no size threshhold.
> 
>             ('digest_send_periodic', mm_cfg.Radio, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
>              'Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold '
>              "isn't reached?"),
> 
>             ('digest_header', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
>              'Header added to every digest',
>              "Text attached (as an initial message, before the table"
>              " of contents) to the top of digests. "
>              + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),
> 
>             ('digest_footer', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
>              'Footer added to every digest',
>              "Text attached (as a final message) to the bottom of digests. "
>              + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),
>             ]
> 
> Joel Shellman wrote:
> >
> > I installed the per-list custom templates patch and now when I try to log
> > into adminstration page, I get the following error in the error log:
> >
> > Dec 04 05:35:12 2000 admin(17961):
> > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> > admin(17961): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
> > admin(17961): [----- Traceback ------]
> > admin(17961): Traceback (innermost last):
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
> > admin(17961):     main()
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 135, in main
> > admin(17961):     FormatConfiguration(doc, mlist, category, category_suffix,
> > cgidata)
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 284, in
> > FormatConfiguratio
> > n
> > admin(17961):     form.AddItem(FormatOptionsSection(category, mlist,
> > cgi_data))
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 301, in
> > FormatOptionsSecti
> > on
> > admin(17961):     options = GetConfigOptions(mlist, category)
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 928, in
> > GetConfigOptions
> > admin(17961):     return mlist.GetConfigInfo()[category]
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 350, in
> > GetConfigInfo
> > admin(17961):     config_info['digest'] = Digester.GetConfigInfo(self)
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 44, in
> > GetConfigInfo
> > admin(17961):     return [
> > admin(17961): TypeError: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 1
> > admin(17961): [----- Python Information -----]
> > admin(17961): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC
> > egcs-2.91.66 199903
> > 14/Linux (egcs-
> > admin(17961): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
> >
Which are arguments given to maketext? There must be a named parameter:
raw=1
Cheers
-- 
                          ___
                         / F \
                        [[[]]]]
                        ( O O )
   #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
   |    Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey at uma.es)      |
   |      Servicio Central de inform?tica         |
   |       Universidad de M?laga - Espa?a         |
   #----------------------------------------------#
   #      Solo se que cada vez se menos :-|       #
   #----------------------------------------------#



From student at mail.com  Mon Dec  4 22:45:16 2000
From: student at mail.com (student)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:45:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] www.opera.com
Message-ID: <3A2C106C.FDF9B25B@mail.com>

hello I hope you recieve this e-mail I love you show........




From belaraya at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  5 00:06:33 2000
From: belaraya at hotmail.com (belara yañez)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 20:06:33 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENTE PARA MARCOS quiero la verdad.
Message-ID: <F76SkleUBUhr3ukkwu10000377c@hotmail.com>












MARCOS:quiero saber si esta informacion es real.
ruego me contesten. soy peridista fanatica y seguidora de marcos y el ezln.
AMO A MARCOS. ES LA MEJOR NOTICIA EN MUCHO TIEMPO QUE HEMOS RECIBIDO.
MArccos ciontestame,te he escrito tantas veces.
mi nombre es Belara Ya?ez
periodista y psicologa social argentina.
belaraya at hotmail.com
princris at yahoo.com.ar
cashogui at hotmail.com

contestenme por favor,quiero ir a Chiapas.gracias

Despu?s de dos a?os de silencio y tras la asunci?n de Fox en M?xico
El Subcomandante Marcos, l?der del EZLN.


Habl? Marcos

Como estaba previsto, el Subcomandante Marcos abri? las puertas de La 
Realidad y brind? una conferencia de prensa en la que anticip? cu?les ser?n 
las nuevas pol?ticas del EZLN tras la asunci?n de Vicente Fox, el presidente 
que desplaz? al PRI despu?s de 71 a?os de gobierno.



El subcomandante Marcos dio un inesperado giro a la historia guerrillera 
zapatista, al anunciar su decisi?n de hacer "pol?tica abierta", objetivo que 
arrancar? con su pr?ximo viaje a la ciudad de M?xico, independientemente de 
si el gobierno del nuevo presidente, el conservador Vicente Fox, concreta 
sus promesas de paz.

En una rueda de prensa, celebrada el anoche en su b?nker selv?tico de la 
poblaci?n de La Realidad, Marcos valor? positivamente las acciones 
emprendidas por Fox en su primer d?a de gobierno, el viernes, consistentes 
en el retiro de los retenes militares en la zona de conflicto de Chiapas y 
su compromiso de enviar el martes al Congreso una iniciativa de ley sobre 
derechos ind?genas.

El jefe del Ej?rcito Zapatista de Liberaci?n Nacional (EZLN) sostuvo que su 
voluntad de hacer "pol?tica abierta" se da porque "el objetivo del EZLN es 
no s?lo conseguir los derechos ind?genas, terminar la guerra (estallada el 1 
de enero de 1994) y lograr la paz, sino salir a hacer pol?tica, como 
cualquier otro" mexicano.

Desde hace a?os, el enigm?tico l?der de la rebeli?n ind?gena zapatista tiene 
reservas sobre los actores institucionales pol?ticos en M?xico, por eso su 
determinaci?n de andar por la v?a de la pol?tica legal ser? diferente: "No 
como partido pol?tico, porque no nos planteamos la toma del poder, pero s? 
como una organizaci?n pol?tica".

Una de las principales puntas de lanza de los zapatistas fue la 
participaci?n efectiva y masiva de la sociedad civil en el quehacer 
pol?tico, por eso Marcos dijo: "La diferencia es que los partidos pol?ticos 
luchan por ser gobierno y el EZLN no tiene contemplada la toma del poder, 
sino la organizaci?n de los ciudadanos para demandar del poder atenci?n y 
gobierno".

El dirigente de la m?s importante rebeli?n ind?gena en M?xico, desde la 
Revoluci?n Mexicana de 1910, afirm? que los zapatistas no est?n pensando en 
candidaturas, pero s? a hacer pol?tica abiertamente. ?Nosotros vamos hablar 
con el Congreso de la Uni?n, sabemos que ?ste entra en una situaci?n 
pol?tica muy dif?cil, tiene muchos retos, confiamos en que tiene la 
sensibilidad de darse cuenta de que el problema de Chiapas es importante".

Marcos anunci? que en febrero de 2001 encabezar? a una delegaci?n de "24 
miembros de la Comandancia General" del EZLN, 23 comandantes ind?genas y ?l, 
entre los dirigentes estar?n el estratega pol?tico David (indio tzotzil) y 
el l?der natural Tacho (tojolabal). La misi?n a cumplir en la ciudad de 
M?xico, de la que sali? el subcomandante hacia Chiapas hace m?s de 17 a?os 
para fundar el EZLN, es la de acudir al Congreso y demandar el apoyo del 
legislativo y popular a una ley de Derechos y Cultura de los pueblos indios, 
que en M?xico son m?s de 10 millones, de los cuales la inmensa mayor?a 
padece la pobreza extrema y lacerante marginaci?n social.

Ante alrededor de un centenar de periodistas, ?El Sub? afirm?: "Al ir todos 
nosotros, miembros de la direcci?n del EZLN, estamos dejando claro dos 
cosas: La importancia para nosotros de la Ley, como paso para que la guerra 
termine, y la jerarqu?a que le estamos dando al Congreso de la Uni?n. O sea, 
vamos con todo lo que podemos. Vamos con pasamonta?as".

La Ley del Di?logo y la Negociaci?n ampara a los zapatistas para desplazarse 
por el pa?s, siempre que lo hagan desarmados. Bajo esa norma, los zapatistas 
realizar?n el recorrido de unos 1.300 km que separan La Realidad de la 
Ciudad de M?xico. El presidente Fox orden? el viernes la desaparici?n de 53 
retenes militares y anunci? el env?o de la iniciativa de Ley al Congreso, lo 
que distendi? el clima en la zona de conflicto, ya que Marcos respondi? con 
una actitud de apertura, pero con ciertas condiciones.

Manifest? su desconfianza sobre ciertas maneras de hacer pol?tica de Fox, 
incluso le dijo "somos contrarios", pero indic? que si se dan "m?nimas 
se?ales" de cumplimiento a las ofertas del nuevo presidente sobre construir 
la paz, se reanudar? el di?logo suspendido por los rebeldes en septiembre de 
1996. El viaje de La Realidad a la ciudad de M?xico, sobre el que no dio 
mayores detalles en principio, se dar?, de acuerdo con lo dicho por Marcos, 
independientemente de si comienza un nuevo di?logo con el gobierno de Fox.

En eso fue contundente, al se?alar: "Vamos a ir pase lo que pase. Pensamos 
que podemos convencer al Congreso de que no se afecta la soberan?a nacional 
ni se parte el pa?s con la ley Cocopa. El pa?s necesita esa ley porque 
resuelve no s?lo la demanda de los pueblos ind?genas, adem?s dar?a un gran 
paso para el proceso de paz y la desaparici?n de la guerra en Chiapas".





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From james at nexengroup.com  Tue Dec  5 00:06:20 2000
From: james at nexengroup.com (James Hanson)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:06:20 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #910 - 13 msgs (On Vacation)
Message-ID: <sa2bcf30.099@nexengroup.com>

I will be out of the office until Monday, December 11th, 2000.




From yann.forget at ynternet.org  Tue Dec  5 02:12:45 2000
From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:12:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam & junk
Message-ID: <3A2C410D.2DA17966@ynternet.org>

Hi all,

Could it be possible to filter all spams and junk
going to this list ?

Because, for a list about a MLM, it's A SHAME !

Yann



From sgibson at digitalimpact.com  Mon Dec  4 22:42:56 2000
From: sgibson at digitalimpact.com (Shane Y. Gibson)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:42:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing old archives for Mailman
Message-ID: <3A2C0FE0.BF15B8CD@digitalimpact.com>

Hi,

I have Python 2.0 and am having problems with archives.  Our
users send M$ files en-force, and fill an 18 Gig disk in about
6 months.  I need to be able to setup some sort of cron job
to delete archive information older than 3 months.  Is this 
possible? 

It seems one would have to parse the <listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox
file, and groom out the stuff they want gone.  This would seem to
be a rather icky way of doing this.  Any thoughts/ideas/magic
scripts?

Thanks.

v/r
Shane

P.S. If possible, please CC me directly on the replies.

--
Shane Y. Gibson                     sgibson at digitalimpact.com



From m at whiteywillpay.net  Tue Dec  5 00:42:26 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:42:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam & junk
In-Reply-To: <3A2C410D.2DA17966@ynternet.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012041842120.50563-100000@qenni.pair.com>

What I was wondering is, is the list set to only allow members to post?

Matt Singerman               | "Don't feel sad, I'm in heaven now,
m at whiteywillpay.net          |  singing with the pretty angels"
http://whiteywillpay.net/    |   -- JonBenet Ramsey

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Yann Forget wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Could it be possible to filter all spams and junk
> going to this list ?
>
> Because, for a list about a MLM, it's A SHAME !
>
> Yann
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From yann.forget at ynternet.org  Tue Dec  5 02:37:38 2000
From: yann.forget at ynternet.org (Yann Forget)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:37:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam & junk
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012041842120.50563-100000@qenni.pair.com>
Message-ID: <3A2C46E2.73C6C28C@ynternet.org>

Matt Singerman a ?crit :
> 
> What I was wondering is, is the list set to only allow members to post?

Well, at the very least, it should be !

Yann



From teamzr1 at teamzr1.com  Tue Dec  5 01:16:53 2000
From: teamzr1 at teamzr1.com (Team ZR-1)
Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:16:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <3A2C33F4.C0303E93@teamzr1.com>

i deleted a user who's e-mail name ( mailto:larsach at aol.com) is no
longer valid.

As the list owner, I went to the users name, unclicked subscr and saved
that.

Now I still am getting the following but now that user does not show up
in the user list at all thus
I cannot stop the following :  ( hoe do I correct this ???? )

Thanks,  John Rovner
             http://teamzr1.com
------

Subject:
        Returned mail: User unknown
   Date:
        Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:47:19 -0500 (EST)
   From:
        Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com>
     To:
        <owner-teamzr1-list at teamzr1.com>




The original message was received at Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:46:56 -0500
(EST)
from lennon.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.10]


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Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with
its
delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors
-----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail
could
not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which
is a
general translation for other e-mail servers.

Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
administrator.

--AOL Postmaster



   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
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   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
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<<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
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Arrival-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:46:56 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; larsach at aol.com
Action: failed
Status: 2.0.0
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec  5 01:24:14 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem
Message-ID: <200012050022.QAA27346@utopia.west.sun.com>

You've probably still got undelivered mail in your MTA queue.
It will take several days for that mail to time out and be
deleted/returned.

> i deleted a user who's e-mail name ( mailto:larsach at aol.com) is no
> longer valid.
> 
> As the list owner, I went to the users name, unclicked subscr and saved
> that.
> 
> Now I still am getting the following but now that user does not show up
> in the user list at all thus
> I cannot stop the following :  ( hoe do I correct this ???? )




From david at idiomatrix.com  Tue Dec  5 02:29:33 2000
From: david at idiomatrix.com (David Herren)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] localization
Message-ID: <auto-000000200007@idiomatrix.com>

  * are there any plans to make a localization of mailman? I'm ISP in 
  * Germany and my customers would like to have the templates and  
all pages
  * in German. Actually I'm translating the templates. Where could I send 
  * the translated templates to (probably) include them in a future  
release?

I'd love to see this as option as well. I run a server for an  
international organization. The main pages are all translated into  
German, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Catalan, Dutch, Japanese,  
Chinese, Russian & Hungarian. It would be great to be able to somehow  
configure Mailman to switch....

--
david herren
david at idiomatrix.com
shoreham, vt




From joel at knocean.com  Tue Dec  5 08:53:28 2000
From: joel at knocean.com (Joel Shellman)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:53:28 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to login to admin
References: <021501c05de6$12f289c0$13551518@cx403972a> <3A2BEF01.A1852E59@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <014001c05e90$743f9740$13551518@cx403972a>

Thank you very much for the quick help. Apparently the patch didn't get
applied completely or something. The maketext calls were missing
self._full_path. Not only in Digester.py, but also in MailList.py (which I
discovered after fixing Digester.py).

Seems to be working now--thanks!

-joel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at west.sun.com>
To: "Joel Shellman" <joel at knocean.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to login to admin


> Another indentation problem or other syntax error
> from trying to apply the patch by hand?
>
> This is what GetConfigInfo should look like (in Digester.py):
>
>     def GetConfigInfo(self):
>         WIDTH = mm_cfg.TEXTFIELDWIDTH
>
>         return [
>             "Batched-delivery digest characteristics.",
>
>             ('digestable', mm_cfg.Toggle, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
>              'Can list members choose to receive list traffic '
>              'bunched in digests?'),
>
>             ('digest_is_default', mm_cfg.Radio,
>              ('Regular', 'Digest'), 0,
>              'Which delivery mode is the default for new users?'),
>
>             ('mime_is_default_digest', mm_cfg.Radio,
>              ('Plain', 'Mime'), 0,
>              'When receiving digests, which format is default?'),
>
>             ('digest_size_threshhold', mm_cfg.Number, 3, 0,
>              'How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out?'),
>             # Should offer a 'set to 0' for no size threshhold.
>
>             ('digest_send_periodic', mm_cfg.Radio, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
>              'Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold
'
>              "isn't reached?"),
>
>             ('digest_header', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
>              'Header added to every digest',
>              "Text attached (as an initial message, before the table"
>              " of contents) to the top of digests. "
>              + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),
>
>             ('digest_footer', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
>              'Footer added to every digest',
>              "Text attached (as a final message) to the bottom of digests.
"
>              + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),
>             ]
>
>
>
> Joel Shellman wrote:
> >
> > I installed the per-list custom templates patch and now when I try to
log
> > into adminstration page, I get the following error in the error log:
> >
> > Dec 04 05:35:12 2000 admin(17961):
> > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> > admin(17961): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
> > admin(17961): [----- Traceback ------]
> > admin(17961): Traceback (innermost last):
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in
run_main
> > admin(17961):     main()
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 135, in
main
> > admin(17961):     FormatConfiguration(doc, mlist, category,
category_suffix,
> > cgidata)
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 284, in
> > FormatConfiguratio
> > n
> > admin(17961):     form.AddItem(FormatOptionsSection(category, mlist,
> > cgi_data))
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 301, in
> > FormatOptionsSecti
> > on
> > admin(17961):     options = GetConfigOptions(mlist, category)
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 928, in
> > GetConfigOptions
> > admin(17961):     return mlist.GetConfigInfo()[category]
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 350, in
> > GetConfigInfo
> > admin(17961):     config_info['digest'] = Digester.GetConfigInfo(self)
> > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 44, in
> > GetConfigInfo
> > admin(17961):     return [
> > admin(17961): TypeError: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 1
> > admin(17961): [----- Python Information -----]
> > admin(17961): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC
> > egcs-2.91.66 199903
> > 14/Linux (egcs-
> > admin(17961): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
> >
> > Anyone know how to fix this?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > -joel





From m at whiteywillpay.net  Tue Dec  5 16:31:15 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:31:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help!!
In-Reply-To: <39EB20D7.7224C4EC@mens.it>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012051030380.68117-100000@qenni.pair.com>

Try running newlist as root.  User mailman probably doesn't have the
correct permissions.  In theory, you could change the groups and
permissions to allow this...  But why bother?

Matt Singerman               | "Don't feel sad, I'm in heaven now,
m at whiteywillpay.net          |  singing with the pretty angels"
http://whiteywillpay.net/    |   -- JonBenet Ramsey

On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, nicola wrote:

> I've installed Mailman on my Linux PC.
> I've compiled the source with the following options:
>    ./configure --with-cgi-gid=mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman
> When i try to create a newlist (mailman/bin/newlist) as mailman user,
> the directory /mailman/admin is not created. Then I don't see the list
> in my web pages.Why???
>
> Thanks
>
> Nicola
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From cht at ccil.org  Tue Dec  5 18:05:12 2000
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:05:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001205120225.14301B-100000@locke.ccil.org>

I am managing a set of lists and have noticed that the public archive
function does not work as expected.  Are there any suggestions?

Del Thomas





From djackson at Phys.Ocean.Dal.Ca  Tue Dec  5 17:51:56 2000
From: djackson at Phys.Ocean.Dal.Ca (David Jackson)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:51:56 -0400 (Atlantic Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posted messages disappear
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.21.0012051212330.151-100000@cusp.phys.ocean.dal.ca>

Hi, I'm having trouble getting mailman 2.0 to work properly with postfix
on a solaris machine.  The web interface works, and it mails out a welcome
message when I add users to the list but when I post to the list the
messages just disappear.  I added the aliases as instructed and I can see
in the mail logs that the message is being delivered to the "wrapper post
test" command with no error messages.  I don't get any error messages in
$prefix/mailman/logs either.  I ran configure with the following options:

./configure --with-username=mailman --prefix=/var/mailman 
--with-cgi-gid=http --with-mail-gid=mailman

Also I put the aliases for the list in a separate file the way it says to
do if you're using postfix in the troubleshooting section of the INSTALL
file.

I don't really understand what mail-gid is for.  Does it mean the gid it
expects the wrapper program to be run with from postfix?  After I moved
the aliases for the test list to a separate file and changed the
owenership to mailman.mailman postfix seemed to run the command with gid
mailman which should be ok...

Could somebody please give me some suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?  
Thanks.

________________________________________________________________________
David Jackson                    Systems Administrator
Dept. of Oceanography            E-mail: David.Jackson at Dal.Ca
Dalhousie University             Phone: (902) 494-6663
Halifax, NS                      FAX: (902) 494-2885
CANADA, B3H 4J1                  






From will.partain at motorola.com  Tue Dec  5 17:59:05 2000
From: will.partain at motorola.com (Will Partain)
Date: 05 Dec 2000 16:59:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [SUMMARY] majordomo-to-mailman crib sheet?
In-Reply-To: Will Partain's message of "Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:26:09 +0000"
References: <200011281726.RAA21851@mekb2.sps.mot.com>
Message-ID: <rwak89en6sm.fsf@oban.sps.mot.com>

I asked:

> Does anyone have a crib sheet about converting a majordomo
> site to a mailman (2.0) site?  ...

Thanks to Ben Lutgens and Joe Morris for their helpful
replies.

My notes on *exactly* what to do and a script that does most
of the work are below.

Will

PS: If any of you are interested in the *systematic*
exchange of this kind of sysadmin info, consider tuning in
to the Arusha Project (http://ark.sourceforge.net).

==== notes ============================================

Switching a list from Majordomo to Mailman

To convert a Majordomo list to a Mailman list, say the wibble list:

  1. Remove the wibble majordomo aliases from sendmail-land; and
     incorporate...

     % sudo newaliases

  2. Create a new wibble mailman list, something like:

     % sudo -u mailman bin/newlist --quiet --output=mm-aliases wibble sysadmin-mailing-list-keeper at mekb2.sps.mot.com <passwd>

   Note: as you do this several times, new sendmail aliases will pile up
   in mm-aliases.

3. Copy the old archives into their new home; the majordomo archives
   should be cat'd together into one big lovely mbox. E.g., as root, run
   the following script:

   #!/bin/sh -x
   set -e
   outf=/user/mailman/archives/private/wibble.mbox/wibble.mbox
   [ -f $outf ] || touch $outf
   for i in /user/majordom/archives/wibble/wibble.archive.[1-9]??? \
            /user/majordom/archives/wibble/wibble.archive.0??? ; do
       cat $i  >> $outf
       echo '' >> $outf
   done
   chown mailman:mailman $outf
   chmod 664 $outf

4. Munge the mbox:

   % sudo -u mailman bin/arch wibble

   Add the old (majordomo) membership list to the new list; this
   invocation seems to do it:

   /user/mailman/bin/sync_members \
           --welcome-msg=no --notifyadmin=no \
           --file /user/majordom/lists/wibble wibble

   Add a -n if you want to do a "dry run"...

5. Make any needed adjustments to the list's settings.

6. Add the mailman aliases (from mmaliases?) for the new list into the
   sendmail world; then incorporate: sudo newaliases.

==== script ===========================================

#! /bin/sh -x

# this is **NOT** all of what must be done to move a list
# from majordomo to mailman, but it is the heavy lifting.

#set -e # paranoia makes a mess, actually...

listname=$1
listpasswd=$2

if [ -z "$listname" ] ; then
    echo no list name given 2>&1
    exit 1
fi

if [ -z "$listpasswd" ] ; then
    echo no list password given 2>&1
    exit 1
fi

KEEPER='sysadmin-mailing-list-keeper at mekb2.sps.mot.com'
MAILMAN=/user/mailman
MAJORDOMO=/user/majordom

cd $MAILMAN

bin/newlist --quiet --output=mm-aliases $listname $KEEPER $listpasswd

outf=$MAILMAN/archives/private/$listname.mbox/$listname.mbox
/bin/rm -f $outf
[ -f $outf ] || touch $outf
for i in $MAJORDOMO/archives/$listname/$listname.archive.[1-9]??? \
         $MAJORDOMO/archives/$listname/$listname.archive.0??? ; do
    cat $i  >> $outf
    echo '' >> $outf
done
chown mailman:mailman $outf
chmod 664 $outf

bin/arch $listname

exec bin/sync_members \
	--welcome-msg=no --notifyadmin=no \
	--file $MAJORDOMO/lists/$listname $1

# the end



From ralph at inputplus.demon.co.uk  Tue Dec  5 18:17:11 2000
From: ralph at inputplus.demon.co.uk (Ralph Corderoy)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 17:17:11 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #911 - 14 msgs
In-Reply-To: Message from mailman-users-request@python.org 
   of "Tue, 05 Dec 2000 12:01:21 EST." <20001205170121.5993AE7DA@mail.python.org> 
Message-ID: <200012051717.RAA19063@inputplus.demon.co.uk>

Hi,

I subscribe to the digest of Mailman-Users.  Just now I received and
read `Vol 1 #911 - 8 msgs'.  Just then another one turned up called
`Vol 1 #911 - 14 msgs'.  The first eight messages were the same.

What gives?


Ralph.

    < Received: from dinsdale.python.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
    <       by dinsdale.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP
    <       id ED68C1D076; Tue,  5 Dec 2000 12:01:36 -0500 (EST)
    ---
    > Received: from ns1.zope.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
    >       by mail.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP
    >       id 5993AE7DA; Tue,  5 Dec 2000 12:01:21 -0500 (EST)

    < Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #911 - 8 msgs
    ---
    > Subject: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #911 - 14 msgs

    < Message-Id: <20001205170137.ED68C1D076 at dinsdale.python.org>
    < Date: Tue,  5 Dec 2000 12:01:37 -0500 (EST)
    ---
    > Message-Id: <20001205170121.5993AE7DA at mail.python.org>
    > Date: Tue,  5 Dec 2000 12:01:21 -0500 (EST)

    >    9. Re: Error trying to login to admin (Joel Shellman)
    >   10. help!! (nicola)
    >   11. Re: help!! (Matt Singerman)
    >   12. Archives (Cordell H. Thomas)
    >   13. posted messages disappear (David Jackson)
    >   14. [SUMMARY] majordomo-to-mailman crib sheet? (Will Partain)




From hstropez at mail.linknet.it  Tue Dec  5 18:24:24 2000
From: hstropez at mail.linknet.it (hstropez)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 18:24:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] UNSUBSCRIBE Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #911 - 14 msgs
References: <20001205170119.304ECE7D6@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A2D24C7.561570F7@linknet.it>


mailman-users-request at python.org ha scritto:

> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to
>         mailman-users at python.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         mailman-users-request at python.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         mailman-users-admin at python.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..."
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #910 - 13 msgs (On Vacation) (James Hanson)
>    2. Spam & junk (Yann Forget)
>    3. Removing old archives for Mailman (Shane Y. Gibson)
>    4. Re: Spam & junk (Matt Singerman)
>    5. Re: Spam & junk (Yann Forget)
>    6. problem (Team ZR-1)
>    7. Re: problem (Dan Mick)
>    8. Re: localization (David Herren)
>    9. Re: Error trying to login to admin (Joel Shellman)
>   10. help!! (nicola)
>   11. Re: help!! (Matt Singerman)
>   12. Archives (Cordell H. Thomas)
>   13. posted messages disappear (David Jackson)
>   14. [SUMMARY] majordomo-to-mailman crib sheet? (Will Partain)
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #910 - 13 msgs (On Vacation)
> Data: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:06:20 -0600
> Da: "James Hanson" <james at nexengroup.com>
> A: <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> I will be out of the office until Monday, December 11th, 2000.
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Spam & junk
> Data: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:12:45 +0100
> Da: Yann Forget <yann.forget at ynternet.org>
> A: Mailman-Users <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Could it be possible to filter all spams and junk
> going to this list ?
>
> Because, for a list about a MLM, it's A SHAME !
>
> Yann
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Removing old archives for Mailman
> Data: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:42:56 -0500
> Da: "Shane Y. Gibson" <sgibson at digitalimpact.com>
> Societ?: Digital Impact
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> Hi,
>
> I have Python 2.0 and am having problems with archives.  Our
> users send M$ files en-force, and fill an 18 Gig disk in about
> 6 months.  I need to be able to setup some sort of cron job
> to delete archive information older than 3 months.  Is this
> possible?
>
> It seems one would have to parse the <listname>.mbox/<listname>.mbox
> file, and groom out the stuff they want gone.  This would seem to
> be a rather icky way of doing this.  Any thoughts/ideas/magic
> scripts?
>
> Thanks.
>
> v/r
> Shane
>
> P.S. If possible, please CC me directly on the replies.
>
> --
> Shane Y. Gibson                     sgibson at digitalimpact.com
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam & junk
> Data: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:42:26 -0500 (EST)
> Da: Matt Singerman <m at whiteywillpay.net>
> A: Yann Forget <yann.forget at ynternet.org>
> CC: Mailman-Users <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> What I was wondering is, is the list set to only allow members to post?
>
> Matt Singerman               | "Don't feel sad, I'm in heaven now,
> m at whiteywillpay.net          |  singing with the pretty angels"
> http://whiteywillpay.net/    |   -- JonBenet Ramsey
>
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Yann Forget wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Could it be possible to filter all spams and junk
> > going to this list ?
> >
> > Because, for a list about a MLM, it's A SHAME !
> >
> > Yann
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Spam & junk
> Data: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 02:37:38 +0100
> Da: Yann Forget <yann.forget at ynternet.org>
> A: Mailman-Users <mailman-users at python.org>
> Documentazione: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012041842120.50563-100000 at qenni.pair.com>
>
> Matt Singerman a ?crit :
> >
> > What I was wondering is, is the list set to only allow members to post?
>
> Well, at the very least, it should be !
>
> Yann
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] problem
> Data: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:16:53 -0800
> Da: Team ZR-1 <teamzr1 at teamzr1.com>
> Societ?: http://teamzr1.com
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> i deleted a user who's e-mail name ( mailto:larsach at aol.com) is no
> longer valid.
>
> As the list owner, I went to the users name, unclicked subscr and saved
> that.
>
> Now I still am getting the following but now that user does not show up
> in the user list at all thus
> I cannot stop the following :  ( hoe do I correct this ???? )
>
> Thanks,  John Rovner
>              http://teamzr1.com
> ------
>
> Subject:
>         Returned mail: User unknown
>    Date:
>         Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:47:19 -0500 (EST)
>    From:
>         Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at aol.com>
>      To:
>         <owner-teamzr1-list at teamzr1.com>
>
> The original message was received at Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:46:56 -0500
> (EST)
> from lennon.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.10]
>
> *** ATTENTION ***
>
> Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with
> its
> delivery.  The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
> labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors
> -----".
>
> The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
> labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".
>
> The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail
> could
> not be delivered.  The next line contains a second error message which
> is a
> general translation for other e-mail servers.
>
> Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail
> administrator.
>
> --AOL Postmaster
>
>    ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <larsach at aol.com>
>
>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to air-xd02.mail.aol.com.:
> >>> RCPT To:<larsach at aol.com>
> <<< 550 MAILBOX NOT FOUND
> 550 <larsach at aol.com>... User unknown
>
> Reporting-MTA: dns; rly-xd01.mx.aol.com
> Arrival-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:46:56 -0500 (EST)
>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; larsach at aol.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 2.0.0
> Remote-MTA: DNS; air-xd02.mail.aol.com
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 250 OK
> Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:47:18 -0500 (EST)
>
> Received: from  lennon.siteprotect.com (lennon.siteprotect.com
> [64.26.0.10]) by
> rly-xd01.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.19) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 15:46:56
> -0500
> Received: (from majordomo at localhost)
>         by lennon.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18115
>         for teamzr1-list-list; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:44:23 -0600
> Received: from teamzr1.com ([38.168.91.35])
>         by lennon.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18110;
>         Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:44:21 -0600
> Message-ID: <3A2C021B.9061A1BE at teamzr1.com>
> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:44:12 -0800
> From: Team ZR-1 <teamzr1 at teamzr1.com>
> Organization: http://teamzr1.com
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-compaq  (Win98; U)
> X-Accept-Language: en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Team-ZR1 at egroups.com
> CC: Team ZR1 Tech <teamzr1-list at teamzr1.com>
> Subject: TeamZR1 Re: [Team ZR-1] New Race. It' Official!
> References: <3A2BFFE5.19FF1783 at uswest.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Sender: owner-teamzr1-list at teamzr1.com
> Precedence: bulk
> Reply-To: teamzr1-list at teamzr1.com
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] problem
> Data: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:14 -0800 (PST)
> Da: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM>
> A: teamzr1 at teamzr1.com
> CC: mailman-users at python.org
>
> You've probably still got undelivered mail in your MTA queue.
> It will take several days for that mail to time out and be
> deleted/returned.
>
> > i deleted a user who's e-mail name ( mailto:larsach at aol.com) is no
> > longer valid.
> >
> > As the list owner, I went to the users name, unclicked subscr and saved
> > that.
> >
> > Now I still am getting the following but now that user does not show up
> > in the user list at all thus
> > I cannot stop the following :  ( hoe do I correct this ???? )
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] localization
> Data: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:29:33 -0500
> Da: David Herren <david at idiomatrix.com>
> A: "Hamm, Gottfried" <ghamm at ghks.de>
> CC: <mailman-users at python.org>,"Kl?ppel,Andreas" <akloeppel at schafsnase.de>
>
>   * are there any plans to make a localization of mailman? I'm ISP in
>   * Germany and my customers would like to have the templates and
> all pages
>   * in German. Actually I'm translating the templates. Where could I send
>   * the translated templates to (probably) include them in a future
> release?
>
> I'd love to see this as option as well. I run a server for an
> international organization. The main pages are all translated into
> German, Portuguese, Spanish, French, Catalan, Dutch, Japanese,
> Chinese, Russian & Hungarian. It would be great to be able to somehow
> configure Mailman to switch....
>
> --
> david herren
> david at idiomatrix.com
> shoreham, vt
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to login to admin
> Data: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:53:28 -0800
> Da: "Joel Shellman" <joel at knocean.com>
> A: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Documentazione: <021501c05de6$12f289c0$13551518 at cx403972a> <3A2BEF01.A1852E59 at west.sun.com>
>
> Thank you very much for the quick help. Apparently the patch didn't get
> applied completely or something. The maketext calls were missing
> self._full_path. Not only in Digester.py, but also in MailList.py (which I
> discovered after fixing Digester.py).
>
> Seems to be working now--thanks!
>
> -joel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Mick" <Dan.Mick at west.sun.com>
> To: "Joel Shellman" <joel at knocean.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Error trying to login to admin
>
> > Another indentation problem or other syntax error
> > from trying to apply the patch by hand?
> >
> > This is what GetConfigInfo should look like (in Digester.py):
> >
> >     def GetConfigInfo(self):
> >         WIDTH = mm_cfg.TEXTFIELDWIDTH
> >
> >         return [
> >             "Batched-delivery digest characteristics.",
> >
> >             ('digestable', mm_cfg.Toggle, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
> >              'Can list members choose to receive list traffic '
> >              'bunched in digests?'),
> >
> >             ('digest_is_default', mm_cfg.Radio,
> >              ('Regular', 'Digest'), 0,
> >              'Which delivery mode is the default for new users?'),
> >
> >             ('mime_is_default_digest', mm_cfg.Radio,
> >              ('Plain', 'Mime'), 0,
> >              'When receiving digests, which format is default?'),
> >
> >             ('digest_size_threshhold', mm_cfg.Number, 3, 0,
> >              'How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out?'),
> >             # Should offer a 'set to 0' for no size threshhold.
> >
> >             ('digest_send_periodic', mm_cfg.Radio, ('No', 'Yes'), 1,
> >              'Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold
> '
> >              "isn't reached?"),
> >
> >             ('digest_header', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
> >              'Header added to every digest',
> >              "Text attached (as an initial message, before the table"
> >              " of contents) to the top of digests. "
> >              + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),
> >
> >             ('digest_footer', mm_cfg.Text, (4, WIDTH), 0,
> >              'Footer added to every digest',
> >              "Text attached (as a final message) to the bottom of digests.
> "
> >              + Utils.maketext(self._full_path, 'headfoot.html', raw=1)),
> >             ]
> >
> >
> >
> > Joel Shellman wrote:
> > >
> > > I installed the per-list custom templates patch and now when I try to
> log
> > > into adminstration page, I get the following error in the error log:
> > >
> > > Dec 04 05:35:12 2000 admin(17961):
> > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> > > admin(17961): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
> > > admin(17961): [----- Traceback ------]
> > > admin(17961): Traceback (innermost last):
> > > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in
> run_main
> > > admin(17961):     main()
> > > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 135, in
> main
> > > admin(17961):     FormatConfiguration(doc, mlist, category,
> category_suffix,
> > > cgidata)
> > > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 284, in
> > > FormatConfiguratio
> > > n
> > > admin(17961):     form.AddItem(FormatOptionsSection(category, mlist,
> > > cgi_data))
> > > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 301, in
> > > FormatOptionsSecti
> > > on
> > > admin(17961):     options = GetConfigOptions(mlist, category)
> > > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 928, in
> > > GetConfigOptions
> > > admin(17961):     return mlist.GetConfigInfo()[category]
> > > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 350, in
> > > GetConfigInfo
> > > admin(17961):     config_info['digest'] = Digester.GetConfigInfo(self)
> > > admin(17961):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 44, in
> > > GetConfigInfo
> > > admin(17961):     return [
> > > admin(17961): TypeError: not enough arguments; expected 2, got 1
> > > admin(17961): [----- Python Information -----]
> > > admin(17961): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC
> > > egcs-2.91.66 199903
> > > 14/Linux (egcs-
> > > admin(17961): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
> > >
> > > Anyone know how to fix this?
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > >
> > > -joel
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] help!!
> Data: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:37:59 +0200
> Da: nicola <nicola at mens.it>
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> I've installed Mailman on my Linux PC.
> I've compiled the source with the following options:
>    ./configure --with-cgi-gid=mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman
> When i try to create a newlist (mailman/bin/newlist) as mailman user,
> the directory /mailman/admin is not created. Then I don't see the list
> in my web pages.Why???
>
> Thanks
>
> Nicola
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: Re: [Mailman-Users] help!!
> Data: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:31:15 -0500 (EST)
> Da: Matt Singerman <m at whiteywillpay.net>
> A: nicola <nicola at mens.it>
> CC: <mailman-users at python.org>
>
> Try running newlist as root.  User mailman probably doesn't have the
> correct permissions.  In theory, you could change the groups and
> permissions to allow this...  But why bother?
>
> Matt Singerman               | "Don't feel sad, I'm in heaven now,
> m at whiteywillpay.net          |  singing with the pretty angels"
> http://whiteywillpay.net/    |   -- JonBenet Ramsey
>
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, nicola wrote:
>
> > I've installed Mailman on my Linux PC.
> > I've compiled the source with the following options:
> >    ./configure --with-cgi-gid=mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman
> > When i try to create a newlist (mailman/bin/newlist) as mailman user,
> > the directory /mailman/admin is not created. Then I don't see the list
> > in my web pages.Why???
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Nicola
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] Archives
> Data: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:05:12 -0500 (EST)
> Da: "Cordell H. Thomas" <cht at ccil.org>
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> I am managing a set of lists and have noticed that the public archive
> function does not work as expected.  Are there any suggestions?
>
> Del Thomas
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] posted messages disappear
> Data: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:51:56 -0400 (Atlantic Standard Time)
> Da: David Jackson <djackson at Phys.Ocean.Dal.Ca>
> A: mailman-users at python.org
>
> Hi, I'm having trouble getting mailman 2.0 to work properly with postfix
> on a solaris machine.  The web interface works, and it mails out a welcome
> message when I add users to the list but when I post to the list the
> messages just disappear.  I added the aliases as instructed and I can see
> in the mail logs that the message is being delivered to the "wrapper post
> test" command with no error messages.  I don't get any error messages in
> $prefix/mailman/logs either.  I ran configure with the following options:
>
> ./configure --with-username=mailman --prefix=/var/mailman
> --with-cgi-gid=http --with-mail-gid=mailman
>
> Also I put the aliases for the list in a separate file the way it says to
> do if you're using postfix in the troubleshooting section of the INSTALL
> file.
>
> I don't really understand what mail-gid is for.  Does it mean the gid it
> expects the wrapper program to be run with from postfix?  After I moved
> the aliases for the test list to a separate file and changed the
> owenership to mailman.mailman postfix seemed to run the command with gid
> mailman which should be ok...
>
> Could somebody please give me some suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?
> Thanks.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> David Jackson                    Systems Administrator
> Dept. of Oceanography            E-mail: David.Jackson at Dal.Ca
> Dalhousie University             Phone: (902) 494-6663
> Halifax, NS                      FAX: (902) 494-2885
> CANADA, B3H 4J1
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oggetto: [Mailman-Users] [SUMMARY] majordomo-to-mailman crib sheet?
> Data: 05 Dec 2000 16:59:05 +0000
> Da: Will Partain <will.partain at motorola.com>
> A: mailman-users at python.org
> Documentazione: <200011281726.RAA21851 at mekb2.sps.mot.com>
>
> I asked:
>
> > Does anyone have a crib sheet about converting a majordomo
> > site to a mailman (2.0) site?  ...
>
> Thanks to Ben Lutgens and Joe Morris for their helpful
> replies.
>
> My notes on *exactly* what to do and a script that does most
> of the work are below.
>
> Will
>
> PS: If any of you are interested in the *systematic*
> exchange of this kind of sysadmin info, consider tuning in
> to the Arusha Project (http://ark.sourceforge.net).
>
> ==== notes ============================================
>
> Switching a list from Majordomo to Mailman
>
> To convert a Majordomo list to a Mailman list, say the wibble list:
>
>   1. Remove the wibble majordomo aliases from sendmail-land; and
>      incorporate...
>
>      % sudo newaliases
>
>   2. Create a new wibble mailman list, something like:
>
>      % sudo -u mailman bin/newlist --quiet --output=mm-aliases wibble sysadmin-mailing-list-keeper at mekb2.sps.mot.com <passwd>
>
>    Note: as you do this several times, new sendmail aliases will pile up
>    in mm-aliases.
>
> 3. Copy the old archives into their new home; the majordomo archives
>    should be cat'd together into one big lovely mbox. E.g., as root, run
>    the following script:
>
>    #!/bin/sh -x
>    set -e
>    outf=/user/mailman/archives/private/wibble.mbox/wibble.mbox
>    [ -f $outf ] || touch $outf
>    for i in /user/majordom/archives/wibble/wibble.archive.[1-9]??? \
>             /user/majordom/archives/wibble/wibble.archive.0??? ; do
>        cat $i  >> $outf
>        echo '' >> $outf
>    done
>    chown mailman:mailman $outf
>    chmod 664 $outf
>
> 4. Munge the mbox:
>
>    % sudo -u mailman bin/arch wibble
>
>    Add the old (majordomo) membership list to the new list; this
>    invocation seems to do it:
>
>    /user/mailman/bin/sync_members \
>            --welcome-msg=no --notifyadmin=no \
>            --file /user/majordom/lists/wibble wibble
>
>    Add a -n if you want to do a "dry run"...
>
> 5. Make any needed adjustments to the list's settings.
>
> 6. Add the mailman aliases (from mmaliases?) for the new list into the
>    sendmail world; then incorporate: sudo newaliases.
>
> ==== script ===========================================
>
> #! /bin/sh -x
>
> # this is **NOT** all of what must be done to move a list
> # from majordomo to mailman, but it is the heavy lifting.
>
> #set -e # paranoia makes a mess, actually...
>
> listname=$1
> listpasswd=$2
>
> if [ -z "$listname" ] ; then
>     echo no list name given 2>&1
>     exit 1
> fi
>
> if [ -z "$listpasswd" ] ; then
>     echo no list password given 2>&1
>     exit 1
> fi
>
> KEEPER='sysadmin-mailing-list-keeper at mekb2.sps.mot.com'
> MAILMAN=/user/mailman
> MAJORDOMO=/user/majordom
>
> cd $MAILMAN
>
> bin/newlist --quiet --output=mm-aliases $listname $KEEPER $listpasswd
>
> outf=$MAILMAN/archives/private/$listname.mbox/$listname.mbox
> /bin/rm -f $outf
> [ -f $outf ] || touch $outf
> for i in $MAJORDOMO/archives/$listname/$listname.archive.[1-9]??? \
>          $MAJORDOMO/archives/$listname/$listname.archive.0??? ; do
>     cat $i  >> $outf
>     echo '' >> $outf
> done
> chown mailman:mailman $outf
> chmod 664 $outf
>
> bin/arch $listname
>
> exec bin/sync_members \
>         --welcome-msg=no --notifyadmin=no \
>         --file $MAJORDOMO/lists/$listname $1
>
> # the end
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Tue Dec  5 23:26:54 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:26:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posted messages disappear
Message-ID: <200012052225.OAA25548@utopia.west.sun.com>

Why haven't you said anything about you cron setup?

> Hi, I'm having trouble getting mailman 2.0 to work properly with postfix
> on a solaris machine.  The web interface works, and it mails out a welcome
> message when I add users to the list but when I post to the list the
> messages just disappear.  I added the aliases as instructed and I can see
> in the mail logs that the message is being delivered to the "wrapper post
> test" command with no error messages.  I don't get any error messages in
> $prefix/mailman/logs either.  I ran configure with the following options:
> 
> ./configure --with-username=mailman --prefix=/var/mailman 
> --with-cgi-gid=http --with-mail-gid=mailman
> 
> Also I put the aliases for the list in a separate file the way it says to
> do if you're using postfix in the troubleshooting section of the INSTALL
> file.
> 
> I don't really understand what mail-gid is for.  Does it mean the gid it
> expects the wrapper program to be run with from postfix?  After I moved
> the aliases for the test list to a separate file and changed the
> owenership to mailman.mailman postfix seemed to run the command with gid
> mailman which should be ok...
> 
> Could somebody please give me some suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?  
> Thanks.




From wesb at networkcs.com  Wed Dec  6 00:05:57 2000
From: wesb at networkcs.com (Wes Barris)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:05:57 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing mailman
Message-ID: <20001205170557.A32571@us.networkcs.com>

Hello,

I am trying to install mailman (2.0beta6) on a RedHat 7.0 system.
I am following both the steps in the INSTALL file and on this
page:

	http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-config.html

There seems to be a problem with the "make install" and the
"bin/check_perms" steps.

The $prefix directory looks like this:

drwxrwsr-x   18 wes      mailman      1024 Dec  5 16:50 mailman/

When I run configure, I use these options:

	./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-cgi-ext=.cgi

When I type "make install" as myself (i.e. not as root), it installs
the $prefix/cgi-bin directory contents like this:

wes at kirby> ls -l cgi-bin/
total 360
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 admin.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 admindb.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 archives.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 edithtml.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34865 Dec  5 16:50 handle_opts.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 listinfo.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 options.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 private.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 roster.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34861 Dec  5 16:50 subscribe.cgi*

Notice that it did not use the gid that I specified:

wes at kirby> fgrep apache /etc/group
apache:x:48:

2212 is my own gid.

When I run bin/check_perms -f, I get these errors:


@kirby> bin/check_perms -f
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/logs (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/archives (fixing)
.
.
.
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/scripts (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/cron (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/Mailman (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/icons (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/cgi-bin (fixing)
directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/mail (fixing)
/home/mailman/archives/private bad gid (has: <anon gid 2212>, expected mailman) (fixing)
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 269, in ?
    checkall()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 129, in checkall
    os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 271, in walk
    walk(name, func, arg)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 265, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 92, in checkwalk
    os.chown(path, -1, MAILMAN_GID)
OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/home/mailman/archives/private'

but it doesn't seem to do anything to the cgi-bin directory:

wes at kirby> ls -l cgi-bin/
total 360
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 admin.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 admindb.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 archives.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 edithtml.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34865 Dec  5 16:50 handle_opts.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 listinfo.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 options.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 private.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 roster.cgi*
-rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34861 Dec  5 16:50 subscribe.cgi*
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wes Barris                                            wes at networkcs.com
Network Computing Services, Inc.                           612.626.8090
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Today's fortune: As goatherd learns his trade by goat, so writer learns
his trade by wrote.



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Wed Dec  6 01:24:22 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:24:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installing mailman
Message-ID: <200012060022.QAA00684@utopia.west.sun.com>

The SUID bit on the group permissions is supposed to cause any
subdir or file in that directory to inherit the parent's group.
Here's an excerpt from the Solaris manpage for chmod(1), talking
about the SUID bit on the group-exec bit:

	20#0  Set group ID on execution if # is 7, 5,  3,
	      or 1.

	      Enable mandatory locking if # is 6,  4,  2,
	      or 0.
	      
	      For directories, files are created with BSD
	      semantics  for propagation of the group ID.
	      With this option, files and  subdirectories
	      created  in the directory inherit the group
	      ID of the directory,  rather  than  of  the
	      current  process. For directories, the set-
	      gid bit may only be set or cleared by using
	      symbolic mode.

Does your Linux not do this?  (Try a manual experiment..)	    
	   
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to install mailman (2.0beta6) on a RedHat 7.0 system.
> I am following both the steps in the INSTALL file and on this
> page:
> 
> 	http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/install-config.html
> 
> There seems to be a problem with the "make install" and the
> "bin/check_perms" steps.
> 
> The $prefix directory looks like this:
> 
> drwxrwsr-x   18 wes      mailman      1024 Dec  5 16:50 mailman/
> 
> When I run configure, I use these options:
> 
> 	./configure --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-cgi-ext=.cgi
> 
> When I type "make install" as myself (i.e. not as root), it installs
> the $prefix/cgi-bin directory contents like this:
> 
> wes at kirby> ls -l cgi-bin/
> total 360
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 admin.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 admindb.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 archives.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 edithtml.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34865 Dec  5 16:50 handle_opts.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 listinfo.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 options.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 private.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 roster.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34861 Dec  5 16:50 subscribe.cgi*
> 
> Notice that it did not use the gid that I specified:
> 
> wes at kirby> fgrep apache /etc/group
> apache:x:48:
> 
> 2212 is my own gid.
> 
> When I run bin/check_perms -f, I get these errors:
> 
> 
> @kirby> bin/check_perms -f
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/logs (fixing)
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/archives (fixing)
> .
> .
> .
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/scripts (fixing)
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/cron (fixing)
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/Mailman (fixing)
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/icons (fixing)
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/cgi-bin (fixing)
> directory permissions must be at least 02775: /home/mailman/mail (fixing)
> /home/mailman/archives/private bad gid (has: <anon gid 2212>, expected 
mailman) (fixing)
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 269, in ?
>     checkall()
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 129, in checkall
>     os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 271, in walk
>     walk(name, func, arg)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 265, in walk
>     func(arg, top, names)
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 92, in checkwalk
>     os.chown(path, -1, MAILMAN_GID)
> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/home/mailman/archives/private'
> 
> but it doesn't seem to do anything to the cgi-bin directory:
> 
> wes at kirby> ls -l cgi-bin/
> total 360
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 admin.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 admindb.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 archives.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 edithtml.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34865 Dec  5 16:50 handle_opts.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34857 Dec  5 16:50 listinfo.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 options.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34829 Dec  5 16:50 private.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34825 Dec  5 16:50 roster.cgi*
> -rwxr-sr-x    1 wes      2212        34861 Dec  5 16:50 subscribe.cgi*
> -- 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wes Barris                                            wes at networkcs.com
> Network Computing Services, Inc.                           612.626.8090
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Today's fortune: As goatherd learns his trade by goat, so writer learns
> his trade by wrote.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From claw at kanga.nu  Wed Dec  6 03:34:07 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 18:34:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [SUMMARY] majordomo-to-mailman crib sheet? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Will Partain <will.partain@motorola.com> 
   of "05 Dec 2000 16:59:05 GMT." <rwak89en6sm.fsf@oban.sps.mot.com> 
References: <200011281726.RAA21851@mekb2.sps.mot.com>  <rwak89en6sm.fsf@oban.sps.mot.com> 
Message-ID: <7855.976070047@kanga.nu>

On 05 Dec 2000 16:59:05 +0000 
Will Partain <will.partain at motorola.com> wrote:

> I asked:
>> Does anyone have a crib sheet about converting a majordomo site
>> to a mailman (2.0) site?  ...

> Thanks to Ben Lutgens and Joe Morris for their helpful replies.

> My notes on *exactly* what to do and a script that does most of
> the work are below.

Please put this in a README.majordomo, and file it as a patch on
sourceforge for Mailman.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                        : http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From barry at digicool.com  Wed Dec  6 03:44:04 2000
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:44:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] forwarded message from Sandra
Message-ID: <14893.42996.400972.844309@anthem.concentric.net>


Can anybody help this person?  I'm afraid even babelfish doesn't help
me much. ;)

-Barry

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From keir at commsecure.com.au  Wed Dec  6 06:47:29 2000
From: keir at commsecure.com.au (Keir Vaughan-Taylor)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:47:29 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failure on list management authentication
Message-ID: <3A2DD2F1.BB633477@commsecure.com.au>

I have installed mailman 2.0 from source on  linux redhat 6.2
The check_perms runs and is happy :-)
I can create lists and the notification is sent and the chosen password
is sent in the
notification.

I can use the utilities in the bin directory to add users and I can dump
the list data base
to see the configuration including an encrypted password.

The crontab file appears to be running....at least there are no errors
being mailed to me.

Unfortunately I can't get into any list management section on a web
browser
because it fails on the password. returning "Authentication failed" to
the web page

The error log /home/mailman/logs/error is empty

Any clues ? How can I trace this ?




From marouni at earlham.edu  Wed Dec  6 08:19:18 2000
From: marouni at earlham.edu (Odysseus)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 02:19:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [SUMMARY] majordomo-to-mailman crib sheet?
References: <200011281726.RAA21851@mekb2.sps.mot.com>  <rwak89en6sm.fsf@oban.sps.mot.com> <7855.976070047@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <3A2DE876.B1CD651F@earlham.edu>

Hi,
	Yes that would do the job. We were faced with the problem over the
summer, were going to take that path. But once you have 400-500 lists,
you don't want to loose their already set settings.  We had a computer
science student here write a perl/python program to do the conversion
and save the most important settings that we selected. 

	I am sure that it could also be pretty customizable.

here it is attached. You may want to add this as an alternative.


Cheers,

Marouf

J C Lawrence wrote:
> 
> On 05 Dec 2000 16:59:05 +0000
> Will Partain <will.partain at motorola.com> wrote:
> 
> > I asked:
> >> Does anyone have a crib sheet about converting a majordomo site
> >> to a mailman (2.0) site?  ...
> 
> > Thanks to Ben Lutgens and Joe Morris for their helpful replies.
> 
> > My notes on *exactly* what to do and a script that does most of
> > the work are below.
> 
> Please put this in a README.majordomo, and file it as a patch on
> sourceforge for Mailman.
> 
> --
> J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                        : http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Nicholas Marouf
http://www.ramallahonline.com
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From juraj at bednar.sk  Wed Dec  6 12:44:04 2000
From: juraj at bednar.sk (Juraj Bednar)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:44:04 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] localization & i18n
Message-ID: <20001206124404.A30555@rak.isternet.sk>

Hello,


  we would like to do the localization of mailman to Slovak language. I'm sure
later other teams would join, as we like mailman. But we want to provide it also
to non-english speaking people. I think the best idea is to adopt GNU gettext
(as it also has bindings for Python). We could translate the sources and compile,
but then upgrading to new version would be painful. This is nicer solution and
more maintainable. What do you think about it?


    Have a nice day,
        Juraj.




From Sacit.Uluirmak at tcmb.gov.tr  Wed Dec  6 12:45:33 2000
From: Sacit.Uluirmak at tcmb.gov.tr (Sacit Uluirmak)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:45:33 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with web authentication
Message-ID: <00BAC1E9C896D411A46100508B137C3CA06E8F@IDMSMAIL1>

Hi;
I've installed Mailman 2.0 (final) on a Linux-Mandrake 7.2 box with python
1.5.2. Installation seems ok (check_perms says so). I've created a test
list. I could sign-in to the admin web pages but when I try to submit the
changes I've made or follow any link on the admin page Mailman tries to
authenticate me again. My browsers accept cookies. The behaviour is the same
for both NN 4.75 and ie 5.5.


N. Sacit Ulu?rmak
Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey
Research and Planning Division
Tel: +90 312 311 95 01
Fax: +90 312 310 85 35




From dmitry at irex.ru  Wed Dec  6 13:44:06 2000
From: dmitry at irex.ru (Dmitry Barabanov)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:44:06 +0300 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] an analog for majordomo' which command?
Message-ID: <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C38A492@exchmos.irex.ru>

Hi,

is there any possibility to find out which lists the person is subscribed
to?
I know that it could be done through ~mailman/bin/find_members.
Is it possible for list admin to do it using web interface?

Thanks.


******************************************
Dmitry N. Barabanov
IT Specialist, IREX/Moscow
tel +7 095 9560978, fax +7 095 9560977
e-mail: dmitry at irex.ru
******************************************



From sigma at pair.com  Wed Dec  6 14:47:51 2000
From: sigma at pair.com (sigma at pair.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:47:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
Message-ID: <20001206134751.26932.qmail@smx.pair.com>

If there's a better way to submit feature suggestions, please let me know.
It's definitely not a bug report.

After our recent upgrade from ancient 1.2-experimental to 2.0 release, the
List-* headers started appearing in all list e-mails.  I agree they're
potentially useful, but they're also annoying to lots of people.  Rather
than tell our customers that their list members should reconfigure their
mail reader, can a per-list configurable option be created that lets the
list admin disable those headers?  They're purely informational.

I started to patch it myself, but I'm not a Python person, and quickly ran
into the problem of how to create a new attribute for the MailList object.
I know it's a simple patch otherwise.

Thanks,
Kevin Martin
sigma at pair.com
http://www.pairlist.net/




From djackson at Phys.Ocean.Dal.Ca  Wed Dec  6 15:23:43 2000
From: djackson at Phys.Ocean.Dal.Ca (David Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:23:43 -0400 (Atlantic Standard Time)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] posted messages disappear
In-Reply-To: <200012052225.OAA25548@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.4.21.0012061018020.63-100000@cusp.phys.ocean.dal.ca>

You're right, after I posted the message I found out that my cron job
wasn't running because I had forgotten to add an entry for mailman to the
/etc/shadow file.  There was an entry like this in /var/cron/log every
time it tried to run the cron jobs:

! bad user (mailman) Tue Dec 5 14:56:00 2000

Thanks for your response.

________________________________________________________________________
David Jackson                    Systems Administrator
Dept. of Oceanography            E-mail: David.Jackson at Dal.Ca
Dalhousie University             Phone: (902) 494-6663
Halifax, NS                      FAX: (902) 494-2885
CANADA, B3H 4J1                  


On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> Why haven't you said anything about you cron setup?
> 
> > Hi, I'm having trouble getting mailman 2.0 to work properly with postfix
> > on a solaris machine.  The web interface works, and it mails out a welcome
> > message when I add users to the list but when I post to the list the
> > messages just disappear.  I added the aliases as instructed and I can see
> > in the mail logs that the message is being delivered to the "wrapper post
> > test" command with no error messages.  I don't get any error messages in
> > $prefix/mailman/logs either.  I ran configure with the following options:
> > 
> > ./configure --with-username=mailman --prefix=/var/mailman 
> > --with-cgi-gid=http --with-mail-gid=mailman
> > 
> > Also I put the aliases for the list in a separate file the way it says to
> > do if you're using postfix in the troubleshooting section of the INSTALL
> > file.
> > 
> > I don't really understand what mail-gid is for.  Does it mean the gid it
> > expects the wrapper program to be run with from postfix?  After I moved
> > the aliases for the test list to a separate file and changed the
> > owenership to mailman.mailman postfix seemed to run the command with gid
> > mailman which should be ok...
> > 
> > Could somebody please give me some suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?  
> > Thanks.
> 
> 





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec  6 15:46:50 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:46:50 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] an analog for majordomo' which command?
In-Reply-To: <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C38A492@exchmos.irex.ru>
References: <039BB23F5C0CD4119C3A00105AF5691C38A492@exchmos.irex.ru>
Message-ID: <p04330118b65401981fd2@[209.239.169.197]>

>is there any possibility to find out which lists the person is subscribed
>to?
>I know that it could be done through ~mailman/bin/find_members.
>Is it possible for list admin to do it using web interface?

there's a place on the user's listinfo page for them to show their 
other subscriptions. mThere's no email interface for this.
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec  6 15:49:47 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 06:49:47 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with web authentication
In-Reply-To: <00BAC1E9C896D411A46100508B137C3CA06E8F@IDMSMAIL1>
References: <00BAC1E9C896D411A46100508B137C3CA06E8F@IDMSMAIL1>
Message-ID: <p04330119b654022540e2@[209.239.169.197]>

>I could sign-in to the admin web pages but when I try to submit the
>changes I've made or follow any link on the admin page Mailman tries to
>authenticate me again. My browsers accept cookies.

I've seen this under two circumstances -- first you don't have 
cookies turned on. Second, if there's a conflict between the hostname 
you're using on the web side and the hostname mailman is configured 
to use.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From cht at ccil.org  Wed Dec  6 17:17:22 2000
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:17:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001206111542.5307B-100000@locke.ccil.org>

Archive problems

My access to the list is limited to the mailman/admin level which is OK
for now given the organizational and other tasks that I have on my plate.
The archives appear to have stopped sometime late in November. I can find
no December posts in the archives on the archives page.  On one of the
lists my attempt to "go to list archives" places me in the  Index of
pipermail at the parent directory.  When I check the list.mbox  for
several lists the results are not consistent.  Most do not have December
posts even when I know that they should be there.  One of the test lists
does have a Dec. Post, however, that list is the one that sends me to the
index when I  "go to list archives."

As far as I can tell looking at the list.mbox files there are no Dec.
posts for any of the lists on the server.

Del 





From deenarobyn at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  6 15:56:29 2000
From: deenarobyn at hotmail.com (deena fields)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:56:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
Message-ID: <OE24eP6uYvQ2WhSUlvU000056b4@hotmail.com>

I am in the begining stages of researching my grandmother's house. It was built around 1800 but I do not know what style it is. I've come to the conclusion that it may be a federal style home, but I don't know what that looks like. Can you give me a reference or even email me a picture of what a federal house looks like? 
            Thanks, Deena Fields
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From gfoster at gfoster.com  Wed Dec  6 16:43:41 2000
From: gfoster at gfoster.com (Glen Foster)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:43:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with web authentication
In-Reply-To: <p04330119b654022540e2@[209.239.169.197]>
References: <00BAC1E9C896D411A46100508B137C3CA06E8F@IDMSMAIL1>
	<p04330119b654022540e2@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <14894.24237.67616.399648@rr.gfoster.com>

Using an unexpected-by-Mailman path component in the URL can also
trigger this phenomenon.  E.g. telling Mailman 

DEFAULT_URL = 'http://mailman.what.ever/mailman/'

and surfing to http://mailman.what.ever/cgi-bin/mailman/.

Glen Foster <gfoster at gfoster.com>

 > >I could sign-in to the admin web pages but when I try to submit the
 > >changes I've made or follow any link on the admin page Mailman tries to
 > >authenticate me again. My browsers accept cookies.
 > 
 > I've seen this under two circumstances -- first you don't have 
 > cookies turned on. Second, if there's a conflict between the hostname 
 > you're using on the web side and the hostname mailman is configured 
 > to use.



From dgporter at erols.com  Wed Dec  6 17:18:53 2000
From: dgporter at erols.com (Donald G Porter)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:18:53 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives?
Message-ID: <3A2E66ED.4B63A141@erols.com>

Where are the recent archives for this mailing list?  Following the
links on the general info page for this list leads to only an old
archive, and a Python search interface that returns no results.

-- 
| Don Porter          Mathematical and Computational Sciences Division |
| donald.porter at nist.gov             Information Technology Laboratory |
| http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/                                  NIST |
|______________________________________________________________________|



From techgrrl at beeze.com  Wed Dec  6 17:28:52 2000
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:28:52 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
References: <20001206134751.26932.qmail@smx.pair.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c05fa1$a000e340$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com>

I just commented them out in the CookHeaders file.

----- Original Message -----
From: <sigma at pair.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers


>
> If there's a better way to submit feature suggestions, please let me know.
> It's definitely not a bug report.
>
> After our recent upgrade from ancient 1.2-experimental to 2.0 release, the
> List-* headers started appearing in all list e-mails.  I agree they're
> potentially useful, but they're also annoying to lots of people.  Rather
> than tell our customers that their list members should reconfigure their
> mail reader, can a per-list configurable option be created that lets the
> list admin disable those headers?  They're purely informational.
>
> I started to patch it myself, but I'm not a Python person, and quickly ran
> into the problem of how to create a new attribute for the MailList object.
> I know it's a simple patch otherwise.
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin Martin
> sigma at pair.com
> http://www.pairlist.net/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>





From ish at lights.com  Wed Dec  6 17:59:44 2000
From: ish at lights.com (Jason Ish)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:59:44 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0 - Authentication failed.
Message-ID: <20001206105944.B12371@signal.lights.com>

I'm currently in the process of trying to upgrade to 2.0 from a 1.1
install with quite a few mailing lists.  Upgrading seems to go fine, but
I am unable to logon to any of the list admin areas.  I am given the
error 'Authentication failed'.

Has anyone run into this situation and know of a fix?

Thanks,
Jason



From m at whiteywillpay.net  Wed Dec  6 18:01:00 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:01:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <003f01c05fa1$a000e340$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012061159430.3081-100000@qenni.pair.com>

Would this be the section in question that would be commented out:

    # Add list-specific headers as defined in RFC 2369, but only if the
    # message is being crafted for a specific list (e.g. not for the password
    # reminders).
    if msgdata.get('_nolist'):
        return
    #
    # Pre-calculate
    listid = '<%s.%s>' % (mlist._internal_name, mlist.host_name)
    if mlist.description:
        listid = mlist.description + ' ' + listid
    requestaddr = mlist.GetRequestEmail()
    subfieldfmt = '<%s>, <mailto:%s?subject=%ssubscribe>'
    listinfo = mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1)
    #
    # TBD: List-Id is not in the RFC, but it was in an earlier draft so we
    # leave it in for historical reasons.
    headers = {
        'List-Id'         : listid,
        'List-Help'       : '<mailto:%s?subject=help>' % requestaddr,
        'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
        'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
        'List-Post'       : '<mailto:%s>' % mlist.GetListEmail(),
        }

Thanks for your help.

Matt Singerman
http://pairlist.net/

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Sarah K. Miller wrote:

> I just commented them out in the CookHeaders file.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sigma at pair.com>
> To: <mailman-users at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:47 AM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
>
>
> >
> > If there's a better way to submit feature suggestions, please let me know.
> > It's definitely not a bug report.
> >
> > After our recent upgrade from ancient 1.2-experimental to 2.0 release, the
> > List-* headers started appearing in all list e-mails.  I agree they're
> > potentially useful, but they're also annoying to lots of people.  Rather
> > than tell our customers that their list members should reconfigure their
> > mail reader, can a per-list configurable option be created that lets the
> > list admin disable those headers?  They're purely informational.
> >
> > I started to patch it myself, but I'm not a Python person, and quickly ran
> > into the problem of how to create a new attribute for the MailList object.
> > I know it's a simple patch otherwise.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin Martin
> > sigma at pair.com
> > http://www.pairlist.net/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From lra at insite.com.br  Wed Dec  6 19:07:45 2000
From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:07:45 -0200 (BRST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving and upgrading
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012061451230.31160-100000@fantomas.insite.com.br>

Hi,

I'm about to move a mailman installation from one server to another and
from v1.0 to 2.0. Is it safe to just move the files, install the new
version and do the upgrade procedure and later apply move_list? Or should
I upgrade in place and move the files to the new server and then apply
move_list?

move_list is not in v1.0 so I can't move the files to the new server,
apply move_list and then upgrade. It's not in 1.1 either.

Speaking of which, should I upgrade to 1.1 and then to 2.0 or can I just
make the jump?

I know I could just take the long and safe road by upgrading and then
moving but the old server is going to be decomissioned and I don't feel
like doing useless work :-)

Regards, Leo




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec  6 19:13:09 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:13:09 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012061159430.3081-100000@qenni.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012061159430.3081-100000@qenni.pair.com>
Message-ID: <p04330100b6543218ed3b@[17.216.27.234]>

I strongly recommend you NOT do this:

he RFC for the list-* headers is RFC 2369. the purpose of those 
headers is to allow people who run mail lists to embed information so 
that mail clients can automate process for their end users -- whether 
it's setting up an "unsubscribe" button or creating a URL for a user 
to click to get list help. it's a new standard, but it solves a HUGE 
problem for mail list systems, which is how to help users get access 
to list-administration options, since we all know pretty much the 
only people who DO keep those "welcome" messages are the people who 
don't need them anyway.

Support for these headers in clients is still primitive at best, but 
it's a new, important standard, and if the list servers don't support 
it, there's no impetus for the mail client authors to do so, so MLMs 
like Mailman have to (and are) taking the lead in making that 
information available -- even on the internet, adoption of new 
functionality takes time. The added overhead is trivial compared to 
finally having a single, standard way of documenting these necessary 
data pieces and doing so in a way that allows automated use of that 
data for our non-techie/naive users.

The nice thing is, if you really, really want that, you have the 
ability to do things on the client end to do it. This would be pretty 
trivial to do with procmail, for instance. But I don't think we 
should gut things on the server end to the lowest common denominator 
("let's not do anything anyone doesn't like") because we might as 
well shut down and go home.

these headers are a new, emerging email standard. I'd like to suggest 
you get used to them, because I think over the next year or so, 
they'll become very common as MLMs add the feature and sites upgrade 
to the new software.

E-mail is a very dynamic area of the internet right now. It's scary 
how much it's changed in the last two years (he says, as a person who 
makes his living trying to keep up with it). This is just one piece 
of it, but it's a huge one in the long term, because it allows us to 
help build tools for those that don't know the techie details enough 
to do these things for themselves - and that's a huge problem with 
mail lists right now.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From sigma at pair.com  Wed Dec  6 19:19:49 2000
From: sigma at pair.com (sigma at pair.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:19:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
Message-ID: <20001206181949.24364.qmail@smx.pair.com>

I agree completely with the purpose and the future direction.  I intend to
explain the matter to our customers and encourage them to try to adopt the
new headers.

But what they see right now are two full screens of headers before the
actual message, and that's what *their* users see, and it trickles back to
us as dissatisfaction.  I want to be able to provide an option for each
list to disable these headers, at their own risk.

It's similar to how reply_to_list is considered harmful, but is still
supported because it's useful in some situations.  The RFC reflects this,
in that the List- headers are optional but encouraged.  Hopefully mail
clients will be catching up to the RFC - functionality can be added to
clients without any downside.

Thanks,
Kevin

----- Forwarded message from Chuq Von Rospach -----

>From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Dec 06 18:14:59 2000
Delivered-To: sigma at smx.pair.com
Delivered-To: sigma at pair.com
Message-Id: <p04330100b6543218ed3b@[17.216.27.234]>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012061159430.3081-100000 at qenni.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012061159430.3081-100000 at qenni.pair.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:13:09 -0800
To: Matt Singerman <m at whiteywillpay.net>,
   "Sarah K. Miller" <techgrrl at beeze.com>
From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
Cc: <sigma at pair.com>, <mailman-users at python.org>

I strongly recommend you NOT do this:

he RFC for the list-* headers is RFC 2369. the purpose of those 
headers is to allow people who run mail lists to embed information so 
that mail clients can automate process for their end users -- whether 
it's setting up an "unsubscribe" button or creating a URL for a user 
to click to get list help. it's a new standard, but it solves a HUGE 
problem for mail list systems, which is how to help users get access 
to list-administration options, since we all know pretty much the 
only people who DO keep those "welcome" messages are the people who 
don't need them anyway.

Support for these headers in clients is still primitive at best, but 
it's a new, important standard, and if the list servers don't support 
it, there's no impetus for the mail client authors to do so, so MLMs 
like Mailman have to (and are) taking the lead in making that 
information available -- even on the internet, adoption of new 
functionality takes time. The added overhead is trivial compared to 
finally having a single, standard way of documenting these necessary 
data pieces and doing so in a way that allows automated use of that 
data for our non-techie/naive users.

The nice thing is, if you really, really want that, you have the 
ability to do things on the client end to do it. This would be pretty 
trivial to do with procmail, for instance. But I don't think we 
should gut things on the server end to the lowest common denominator 
("let's not do anything anyone doesn't like") because we might as 
well shut down and go home.

these headers are a new, emerging email standard. I'd like to suggest 
you get used to them, because I think over the next year or so, 
they'll become very common as MLMs add the feature and sites upgrade 
to the new software.

E-mail is a very dynamic area of the internet right now. It's scary 
how much it's changed in the last two years (he says, as a person who 
makes his living trying to keep up with it). This is just one piece 
of it, but it's a huge one in the long term, because it allows us to 
help build tools for those that don't know the techie details enough 
to do these things for themselves - and that's a huge problem with 
mail lists right now.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.

----- End of forwarded message from Chuq Von Rospach -----



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec  6 19:30:10 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:30:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <20001206181949.24364.qmail@smx.pair.com>
References: <20001206181949.24364.qmail@smx.pair.com>
Message-ID: <p04330101b65435c0c9c7@[17.216.27.234]>

At 1:19 PM -0500 12/6/00, sigma at pair.com wrote:

>in that the List- headers are optional but encouraged.  Hopefully mail
>clients will be catching up to the RFC - functionality can be added to
>clients without any downside.

If mail list admins strip the headers -- why incentive will they have 
to support the RFC?

How many users have complained? ON my site (40K subscribers), I got 
maybe 15. I sure don't see that as a mandate. And of those, all but 
one or two, when I explained to them what was going on, agreed it was 
better for them to deal with it.

Before you go hacking stuff, find out what's really goig on. I 
suggest you have a couple of noisy squeakss in the wheel tghat can be 
better fixed through a little education.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk  Wed Dec  6 19:45:40 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:45:40 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers 
In-Reply-To: Message from sigma@pair.com 
   of "Wed, 06 Dec 2000 13:19:49 EST." <20001206181949.24364.qmail@smx.pair.com> 
Message-ID: <E143jZU-0004Es-00@rioja.localnet>

sigma at pair.com said:
> But what they see right now are two full screens of headers before the
> actual message, and that's what *their* users see, and it trickles
> back to us as dissatisfaction.  I want to be able to provide an option
> for each list to disable these headers, at their own risk. 

What sort of completely broken mail client shows all the headers to 
naive users??

	Nigel.
-- 
[ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ]
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Wed Dec  6 19:53:20 2000
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:23:20 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
In-Reply-To: <20001206181949.24364.qmail@smx.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012070021560.1381-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Dec 6, 2000 at 13:19, sigma at pair.com wrote:

>But what they see right now are two full screens of headers before the
>actual message, and that's what *their* users see, and it trickles back to
>us as dissatisfaction.  I want to be able to provide an option for each
>list to disable these headers, at their own risk.

Surely they have an option to view only the main headers (from, to, cc,
subject, etc)? For example, Pine has a full header toggle command. And it
supports the RFC by adding a "list management functions" link at the
bottom.

-- 
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US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
Cap'n! Cap'n! the UART's will'nae take the speed!




From dan at oxnardsd.org  Wed Dec  6 23:41:58 2000
From: dan at oxnardsd.org (Dan Kubilos)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:41:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Restricted hardlinks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012061440140.19070-100000@mail.oxnardsd.org>

I have looked and looked on the mailman site and via web search . . .

Could someone please share how I go about 1) checking to see if "restrict
hardlinks" is on on my Redhat 6.2 machine. 2) how to turn "restrict
hardlinks off" 

Thanks

-- 
Dan Kubilos
K-8  Tech Coord --- OSD
http://www.oxnardsd.org




From jerrya at jerrya.net  Wed Dec  6 21:48:09 2000
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:48:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers 
In-Reply-To: <E143jZU-0004Es-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012061443230.20312-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Nigel Metheringham wrote:

> 
> sigma at pair.com said:
> > But what they see right now are two full screens of headers before the
> > actual message, and that's what *their* users see, and it trickles
> > back to us as dissatisfaction.  I want to be able to provide an option
> > for each list to disable these headers, at their own risk. 
> 
> What sort of completely broken mail client shows all the headers to 
> naive users??

One of my users has Eudora (windows), and was asking about the headers. I
downloaded it and try as I might, I can't hide the headers. There is a
button (labeled "blah blah blah") that displays all headers, which reveals
even more of them, but the default view shows our new List-* headers. They
aren't shown in the preview window, but if you double-click on the message
to open it, there are a LOT of headers shown. Pretty ugly...

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec  6 21:57:22 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:57:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012061443230.20312-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>
References: 
 <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012061443230.20312-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>
Message-ID: <p04330105b6545812dbd1@[17.216.27.234]>

At 2:48 PM -0600 12/6/00, Jerry Adlersfluegel wrote:

>One of my users has Eudora (windows), and was asking about the headers. I
>downloaded it and try as I might, I can't hide the headers.

it's the "boring headers" panel in the preferences. If it's not in 
the preferences there's a plug in he needs to install to enable it, 
but the plugin comes with eudora.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From dansan at host-525400E933BA.public.southern.edu  Wed Dec  6 22:02:49 2000
From: dansan at host-525400E933BA.public.southern.edu (Master)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:02:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple moderators
Message-ID: <20001206160249.A5595@dstcruz.public.southern.edu>

Can someone give me a hand on how to have multiple moderators for a list, or point me to the resources?

Thanks a ton.

btw, what's all this unrelated stuff doing in the mailman list?

Daniel.



From infancia at caritas.org.ar  Wed Dec  6 22:06:44 2000
From: infancia at caritas.org.ar (Infancia Comision Nacional)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:06:44 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Solicito_informaci=F3n?=
Message-ID: <000801c05fc8$725bf160$1501a8c0@CN12>

Ya estoy suscripta a la red pero no s? c?mo operar. Mi direcci?n de correo electr?nico es ferama at arnet.com.ar
Agradezco si me explican c?mo hacer. Gracias!! Mar?a Amalia Ferreyra de Argentina.
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From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Wed Dec  6 22:03:45 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:03:45 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/
 config.db'
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F5363@COM>

Just installed Mailman and when I try to access the admin page for my test
list I get the following message in my browser.

"Bug in Mailman version 2.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. "

Here is what the error log says:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
    process_lists(lock)
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

Do I have something set up wrong or is this truly a bug?



From marc_news at valinux.com  Wed Dec  6 22:38:21 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 13:38:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Remove Restricted hardlinks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012061440140.19070-100000@mail.oxnardsd.org>; from dan@oxnardsd.org on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 02:41:58PM -0800
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012061440140.19070-100000@mail.oxnardsd.org>
Message-ID: <20001206133821.M25463@marc.merlins.org>

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 02:41:58PM -0800, Dan Kubilos wrote:
> 
> I have looked and looked on the mailman site and via web search . . .
> 
> Could someone please share how I go about 1) checking to see if "restrict
> hardlinks" is on on my Redhat 6.2 machine. 2) how to turn "restrict
> hardlinks off" 

1) RH 6.2's kernel does not have the openwall patches (which can restrict
   hardlinks"
2) You can't turn it off without recompiling the kernel
3) If you use mailman 2.0, it can be made to work with restricted
   hardlinks, see contrib/securelinux_fix.py in the source tree

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From sam at myspinach.org  Wed Dec  6 23:22:39 2000
From: sam at myspinach.org (s-a-m)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:22:39 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman query
Message-ID: <976141359.3a2ebc2fd0cb7@webmail.myspinach.org>

hi,

we\'ve just installed mailman on our community server here in australia.
its working fine - but we want to get people to be able to subscribe via email - 
ie:

listname-subscribe at lists.server.com

and ofcourse unsubscribe in the same fashion...

i wander if there is any documentation on this ... our knowledge is quite low on 
this stuff as its a big learning curve - so if there is some instructions, 
documentation - that would be fantastic. we are using qmail.

many thanks, sam.




From anjup at speedyclick.com  Wed Dec  6 23:51:12 2000
From: anjup at speedyclick.com (Anju)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:51:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cvs open source code (concurrent version system)
Message-ID: <000001c05fd7$08f00950$74027f0a@anju>

This ia Anju I need help to solve cvs open code source. 
Please send me an Email.
Anju
anjupuri at hotmail.com




From cjackson at class.com  Wed Dec  6 23:59:10 2000
From: cjackson at class.com (Chris)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:59:10 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Install?
Message-ID: <20001206165910.S18382@class.com>

I have just installed mailman on a FreeBSD box. I am using Postfix as
my MTA, and after wrestling with the GID settings, I thought I had it
up and running. I could create lists, login to the admin interface,
and also the user interface. However when I try to subscribe, the
mailer chokes on my confirmation email. I have included the error
message below. If anyone can lend a hand, I'd be grateful.


Dec  6 16:33:21 listserv Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 999, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?) 
Dec  6 22:33:21 listserv sendmail[52820]: eB6MXLG52819:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test4",
ctladdr=<test4-request at listserv.class.com> (1/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=3106
8, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown mailer error 2


-- 
Chris Jackson
Network Adminstrator
class.com



From scott-brown at home.com  Thu Dec  7 01:22:09 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:22:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & suexec.... you CAN work around it.
Message-ID: <000901c05fe3$bce65340$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

To whomever told me that they couldnt get mailman to work on a server with
suexec running....

	IT  CAN  BE  DONE!

The key is to set up a proxy to handle the mailman requests.... and have a
separate virtualdomain run as the CGI  UID/GID set that you compiled into
mailman.

What I did (after installing Mailman according to the install instructions)
was:

1)	Add proxy support to your server:

# proxy support to aid Mailman 2.0 to work around suexec restrictions
# will allow http://www.yourdomain.com/mailman to reference
http://localhost:8000/mailman/
# and run with different uid:gid that mailman requires
#
LoadModule proxy_module /www/libproxy.so
AddModule mod_proxy.c
NoCache *

# Proxy Server directives. Uncomment the following line to
# enable the proxy server:

ProxyRequests On

2) Ensure your system is listening on port 8000

# Listen: Allows you to bind Apache to specific IP addresses and/or
# ports, in addition to the default. See also the VirtualHost command

Listen 80
Listen 8000

(you may have others... like 443 if you're SSL-enabled)

To each virtual domain (!!! DONT add this as a generic config statement to
the base server or you'll end up consuming all your clients !!!) , add:

ProxyPass /mailman/ http://localhost:8000/mailman/

3) And then add a new virtual host:

<virtualhost localhost:8000>
User nobody
Group nobody
DocumentRoot /home/
<Location />
        Deny from all
        Order deny,allow
        Allow from localhost 127.0.0.1
</Location>
</virtualhost>

I cant take much of the credit here - I had a friend (a Linux sysadmin by
trade) help me work through the majority of the config changes.  It's kinda
elegant when you look at it - even though it's been three weeks in the
works.

Barry et al, feel free to add this info into the distribution.




From franz at sil.at  Thu Dec  7 02:05:49 2000
From: franz at sil.at (Franz Lax)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 02:05:49 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade mailman 2.0beta5 to version 2.0 final
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0012070157540.2040-100000@ikarus>

hallo

after having successfully upgraded the new version runns fine and
performs as well as ever before with the advantage of quite some
improvements! thanks very much!!!

the only problem occurring is when a new list gets created the mail
sent out to the new list owner (automatically generated by
mailman) provides a erroneous http, in fact there is simply a
"/" (slash) missing.
for example the list miraculix gets announced as:

    http://mailman.sil.at/mailmanadmin/miraculix

thsi should be:
    http://mailman.sil.at/mailman/admin/miraculix
                                 ^
                                 ^
ditto:
    http://mailman.sil.at/mailmanlistinfo/miraculix
    http://mailman.sil.at/mailman/listinfo/miraculix
                                 ^
everytheing else seems to work perfectly well.

regards

FranZ

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      \/____\       phone +43-1-9420047, +43-6991-9420047
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--------------------------------------

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 00:43:14 +0100
From: mailman-owner at mailman.sil.at
To: franz at sil.at
Subject: Your new mailing list: miraculix

The mailing list `miraculix' has just been created for you.  The
following is some basic information about your mailing list.

Your mailing list password is:

    xxxxare

You need this password to configure your mailing list.  You also need
it to handle administrative requests, such as approving mail if you
choose to run a moderated list.

You can configure your mailing list at the following web page:

    http://mailman.sil.at/mailmanadmin/miraculix

The web page for users of your mailing list is: 

    http://mailman.sil.at/mailmanlistinfo/miraculix

You can even customize these web pages from the list configuration
page.  However, you do need to know HTML to be able to do this.

There is also an email-based interface for users (not administrators)
of your list; you can get info about using it by sending a message
with just the word `help' as subject or in the body, to:

    miraculix-request at mailman.sil.at

To unsubscribe a user: from the mailing list 'listinfo' web page,
click on or enter the user's email address as if you were that user.
Where that user would put in their password to unsubscribe, put in
your admin password.  You can also use your password to change
member's options, including digestification, delivery disabling, etc.

Please address all questions to mailman-owner at mailman.sil.at.





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec  7 02:03:20 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:03:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives?
Message-ID: <200012070101.RAA05638@utopia.west.sun.com>

The answer is in the headers you posted:

> List-Archive: <http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>

> Where are the recent archives for this mailing list?  Following the
> links on the general info page for this list leads to only an old
> archive, and a Python search interface that returns no results.




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec  7 02:05:11 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:05:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-* headers
Message-ID: <200012070103.RAA05696@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I agree completely with the purpose and the future direction.  I intend to
> explain the matter to our customers and encourage them to try to adopt the
> new headers.
> 
> But what they see right now are two full screens of headers before the
> actual message, and that's what *their* users see, and it trickles back to
> us as dissatisfaction.  I want to be able to provide an option for each
> list to disable these headers, at their own risk.

Why don't you, instead, come up with an FAQ on how to turn off the
header display in common email clients?  It's trivial in every
client I've used.  Yes, each user who's annoyed by such trivialities
has to go set it up once, but that seems like a small price to
avoid having list software that's sub-functional.





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec  7 02:06:24 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:06:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/ config.db'
Message-ID: <200012070104.RAA05778@utopia.west.sun.com>

>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
>     fp = open(dbfile)
> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
> 
> Do I have something set up wrong or is this truly a bug?

Doesn't it strike you as a little difficult to tell when you don't
tell us what permissions /home/mailman/lists/test/config.db has?




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec  7 02:07:19 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 17:07:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Install?
Message-ID: <200012070105.RAA05790@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I have just installed mailman on a FreeBSD box. I am using Postfix as
> my MTA, and after wrestling with the GID settings, I thought I had it
> up and running. I could create lists, login to the admin interface,
> and also the user interface. However when I try to subscribe, the
> mailer chokes on my confirmation email. I have included the error
> message below. If anyone can lend a hand, I'd be grateful.
> 
> 
> Dec  6 16:33:21 listserv Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 999, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?) 

This is an FAQ.  Do your homework.




From dgc at uchicago.edu  Thu Dec  7 03:14:53 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:14:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Multiple moderators
In-Reply-To: <20001206160249.A5595@dstcruz.public.southern.edu>; from dansan@host-525400E933BA.public.southern.edu on Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 04:02:49PM -0500
References: <20001206160249.A5595@dstcruz.public.southern.edu>
Message-ID: <20001206201453.T1701@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.12.06, in <20001206160249.A5595 at dstcruz.public.southern.edu>,
	"Master" <dansan at host-525400E933BA.public.southern.edu> wrote:
> Can someone give me a hand on how to have multiple moderators for a list, or point me to the resources?

Just put all the moderators in the "list adminstrator" box in the
list's config form, one per line.  Mailman does not currently
distinguish moderator from administrator.

> btw, what's all this unrelated stuff doing in the mailman list?

What, the spam?  What's it doing anywhere?

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From keir at commsecure.com.au  Thu Dec  7 03:56:12 2000
From: keir at commsecure.com.au (Keir Vaughan-Taylor)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:56:12 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentic error ?
Message-ID: <3A2EFC4C.23336878@commsecure.com.au>

I have installed mailman 2.0 from source on  linux redhat 6.2
The check_perms runs and is happy :-)
I can create lists and the notification is sent and the chosen password
is sent in the
notification.

I can use the utilities in the bin directory to add users and I can dump

the list data base
to see the configuration including an encrypted password.

The crontab file appears to be running....at least there are no errors
being mailed to me.

Unfortunately I can't get into any list management section on a web
browser
because it fails on the password. returning "Authentication failed" to
the web page

The error log /home/mailman/logs/error is empty

Any clues ? How can I trace this ?




From gleblanc at cu-portland.edu  Thu Dec  7 03:59:41 2000
From: gleblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 07 Dec 2000 10:59:41 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade mailman 2.0beta5 to version 2.0 final
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.21.0012070157540.2040-100000@ikarus>
Message-ID: <200012070259.eB72xfn01110@peecee.linuxweasel.com>

On 07 Dec 2000 02:05:49 +0100, Franz Lax wrote:
> the only problem occurring is when a new list gets created the mail
> sent out to the new list owner (automatically generated by
> mailman) provides a erroneous http, in fact there is simply a
> "/" (slash) missing.
> for example the list miraculix gets announced as:
> 
>     http://mailman.sil.at/mailmanadmin/miraculix
> 
> thsi should be:
>     http://mailman.sil.at/mailman/admin/miraculix

I suspect that in mm_cfg.py you have your site URL (sorry, I don't have
a mailman install handy to look at) set to http://mailman.sil.at/mailman
Note the lack of a slash at the end.  Try adding the slash, and things
should be much happier, at least for new lists.  For existing lists you
may need to change that manually.

    Greg



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec  7 04:05:27 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:05:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Authentic error ?
Message-ID: <200012070303.TAA09347@utopia.west.sun.com>

What is the full URL you're going to that fails, and how did you map that
with your Web server, and to which directory?

> I have installed mailman 2.0 from source on  linux redhat 6.2
> The check_perms runs and is happy :-)
> I can create lists and the notification is sent and the chosen password
> is sent in the
> notification.
> 
> I can use the utilities in the bin directory to add users and I can dump
> 
> the list data base
> to see the configuration including an encrypted password.
> 
> The crontab file appears to be running....at least there are no errors
> being mailed to me.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't get into any list management section on a web
> browser
> because it fails on the password. returning "Authentication failed" to
> the web page
> 
> The error log /home/mailman/logs/error is empty
> 
> Any clues ? How can I trace this ?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec  7 05:43:26 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 20:43:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
Message-ID: <200012070441.UAA11513@utopia.west.sun.com>

As someone reported earlier, the mailman-users archives *are*
screwed up at the moment.  Barry is investigating.  Meanwhile,
you can still download the entire raw .mbox file (which is probably
better for searching it anyway).





From whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie  Thu Dec  7 15:40:09 2000
From: whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie (John Whelan)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:40:09 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Members
Message-ID: <3A2FA149.627CA9FB@eeng.dcu.ie>

Using mailman-2.0, is there anyway a file containing email addresses can be
specified to subscribe large volume of members?

--
************************************
John Whelan, Dublin City University,
Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland.
EMAIL: whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie
FAX:   +353-1-7005024
PHONE: +353-1-7005364
************************************





From tomas at nocrew.org  Thu Dec  7 15:53:59 2000
From: tomas at nocrew.org (Tomas Berndtsson)
Date: 07 Dec 2000 15:53:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Members
In-Reply-To: John Whelan's message of "Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:40:09 +0000"
References: <3A2FA149.627CA9FB@eeng.dcu.ie>
Message-ID: <80n1e85lko.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>

John Whelan <whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie> writes:

> Using mailman-2.0, is there anyway a file containing email addresses can be
> specified to subscribe large volume of members?

Use the program add_members that comes with Mailman. Option --help for
instructions on how to use it.


Tomas



From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Thu Dec  7 12:41:52 2000
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Debian user)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:41:52 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help!
Message-ID: <3A2F777F.73E91CDA@opensourcedirectory.com>

Sorry I don' t want to be a stick in your side... But I have been trying
to install Mailman for the longest time...
And I have the same error each time...
I followed the instructions to the letter... But I still get the same
error. when I do a make install.
I have tried this on various platforms... (Debian, slackware) and I have
the same error on both...
Error:
            mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a
directory
            /usr/bin/ginstall: *.html : No such file or directory
            mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a
directory
            /usr/bin/ginstall: *.txt  : No such file or directory
            make[1]: *** [[install] Error 1
            make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/mailman/templates'
            make: *** [doinstall] Error 2

that it....
Sorry to bother you but I didn't see a help forum on your page at
sourceforge ...
Thanks again...

Jason McGillivray -- OSD




From heigo at online.no  Thu Dec  7 16:39:00 2000
From: heigo at online.no (Heigo Kadakmaa)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:39:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (trouble)shooting Mailman
Message-ID: <3A2FAF14.BF79FCB4@online.no>

Hei!

Mailman 2.0 build fails on ./configure. Followed all the instructions
from readme and install, but did not succeed anyhow. Python and (gc)C
versions are OK. I have RH6.2 Linux box with all the updates
installed. 

Then I tried with rpm binary (beta2 and beta5) - it installs, lists
work and can be controlled from console command prompt, but CGI script
gives an error: 
Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 48, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to
take 99?)

Tried on RH70 Linux box, no problems - build from source works, and
rpm binary works as well.

I'd like to move over form majordomo/LWGate to Mailman, but avoid this
time upgrading the server to RH70... 

(LWGate has problems with MIME and HTML)

Any ideas, how to make Mailman functional on RH6.2?

Heigo Kadakmaa

P.S. I use list software in connection with seminars and lectures at a
university.

_________________________
e-mail: heigo at online.no



From barry at digicool.com  Thu Dec  7 17:17:03 2000
From: barry at digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:17:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
References: <200012070441.UAA11513@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <14895.47103.430924.957856@anthem.concentric.net>

>>>>> "DM" == Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM> writes:

    DM> As someone reported earlier, the mailman-users archives *are*
    DM> screwed up at the moment.  Barry is investigating.  Meanwhile,
    DM> you can still download the entire raw .mbox file (which is
    DM> probably better for searching it anyway).

mailman-users archive should be fixed now.

It's very possible that other python.org lists are going to be
affected though.  There was a period of time where From_ lines that
weren't headers were not getting escaped.  That breaks bin/arch
unfortunately, and it's difficult to go back after the fact and fix
those lines.

-Barry



From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Thu Dec  7 17:26:30 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:26:30 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:  '/hom
	e/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F536C@COM>

Thanks!!

I did a 'make clean' and then put the correct settings in for --with-cgi-gid
and --with-mail-gid and everything works great now (thought I did that the
first time).

My exact problem was not listed on any of the FAQs and searching the list
(at python.org) is like pulling teeth. So thanks for the answer to a
seemingly NEWBIE question.

Anyone ever thought about adding the archives to egroups or some other list
site that would make searching easier?

Jamey

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Keir Vaughan-Taylor [SMTP:keir at commsecure.com.au]
> Sent:	Wednesday, December 06, 2000 4:47 PM
> To:	James Sintz
> Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
> 
> James Sintz wrote:
> 
> > Just installed Mailman and when I try to access the admin page for my
> test
> > list I get the following message in my browser.
> >
> > "Bug in Mailman version 2.0
> >
> > We're sorry, we hit a bug!
> > Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
> > traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
> but
> > the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. "
> >
> > Here is what the error log says:
> >
> > Traceback (innermost last):
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main
> >     process_lists(lock)
> >   File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 140, in process_lists
> >     mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
> >     self.Load()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
> >     dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
> >     fp = open(dbfile)
> > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
> >
> > Do I have something set up wrong or is this truly a bug?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> This is a group/ownership problem and the cron daemon can't execute the
> scripts. Two sources of error. One is that you must have user id mailman
> when
> you
> configure and set the crontab.in into you crontab directory.
> Also make sure with the --with-cgi-gid  and --with-mail-gid parameters are
> set
> corretly
> during the configuration run.   This is a major nuisance about mailman at
> present.
> Check in /etc/passwd to find the mail
> Default user.....sometimes it is called mail



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Dec  7 18:27:02 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 09:27:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Members 
In-Reply-To: Message from John Whelan <whelanj@eeng.dcu.ie> 
   of "Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:40:09 GMT." <3A2FA149.627CA9FB@eeng.dcu.ie> 
References: <3A2FA149.627CA9FB@eeng.dcu.ie> 
Message-ID: <24193.976210022@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:40:09 +0000 
John Whelan <whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie> wrote:

> Using mailman-2.0, is there anyway a file containing email
> addresses can be specified to subscribe large volume of members?

~/bin/add_members

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                        : http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jks at clickcom.com  Thu Dec  7 19:17:24 2000
From: jks at clickcom.com (John Straiton)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:17:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Repeat delivery for single postings
Message-ID: <MPEBIEINAKAJNIDNGFBBCEKACAAA.jks@clickcom.com>

Hello,
	(first i'll note that I looked through several months of archives but
didn't see anything relating to this except one message that said that
mailman didn't have problems with lists this size)

	I recently installed 2.0rc1 on a FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE machine. It's a 600Mhz
machine with 512MB of RAM. Testing of mailman seemed ok on this machine.
Then I created a list, and then populated it with ~19000 addresses from a
text file using the add_members. After going back into the configuration,
all seemed well. Then we sent a pair of messages to mailman, both identical
but at different times. Here's the problem:

	When I finally commented the mailman entries out of crontab, it had
delivered the each message 3-4 times already to everyone on the list (ugh).
If I goto the List Archives link I see two entries in there for the
messages...the top listing has a timestamp of
	Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:37:55 -0500
the second has a timestamp of
	Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:55:33 -0500

When I download the "Full Raw Archive" the message appears in there 7 times.
The timestamp
	Wed Dec  6 12:49:13 2000
appears in that copy 6 times. But the timestamp from the first message in
the archive (regular view) doesn't exist in the raw archive, and the second
timestamp only appears once.

I can't re-enable mailman in it's current state, we're already getting
hatemail from people getting flooded, nor can I seem to find the root of the
problem. Looking in the configuration doesn't show anything that looks out
of the ordinary..

Help?

John Straiton
ClickCom, Inc.
jks at clickcom.com




From techgrrl at beeze.com  Thu Dec  7 19:35:01 2000
From: techgrrl at beeze.com (Sarah K. Miller)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:35:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Counting subscribers
Message-ID: <01f301c0607c$69353600$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com>

I want to be able to run a script similar to list_lists and have it return
the name of the list *and* the number of members on that list. Has anybody
done this and, if so, would you be willing to share??

 -- Sarah





From Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov  Thu Dec  7 19:38:58 2000
From: Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov (Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:38:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variables
Message-ID: <0012079762.AA976214345@ccgate.nywd.uscourts.gov>

How do I force the name of the sender to show up in the text of a message?

Pat Healy
US District Court WDNY




From Vulch at kernow.demon.co.uk  Thu Dec  7 19:43:29 2000
From: Vulch at kernow.demon.co.uk (Anthony Frost)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:43:29 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Counting subscribers
In-Reply-To: <01f301c0607c$69353600$0b00a8c0@home.beeze.com>
Message-ID: <c8b14a294a%Vulch@kerrier.vulch.org>

In message <01f301c0607c$69353600$0b00a8c0 at home.beeze.com>
          "Sarah K. Miller" <techgrrl at beeze.com> wrote:

 > I want to be able to run a script similar to list_lists and have it return
 > the name of the list *and* the number of members on that list. Has anybody
 > done this and, if so, would you be willing to share??

>From this list a couple of months ago...

cd /home/mailman/lists/ ; for i in `\ls` ; do echo $i `/home/mailman/bin/list_members $i| wc -l` ; done

(That should land up on one line) Run it with cron for a daily report...

         Anthony

-- 
    |       99% of accidents occur in the home....                |
    |                                                             |
    |                             ...Stay safe, go out lots.      |




From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Thu Dec  7 19:48:49 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 13:48:49 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list size
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F5375@COM>

What kind of limits are there with mailman.

I have a distribution list of about 6,500 addresses. Can mailman handle
this? and how big can the list get?

Thanks!!

Jamey



From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Dec  7 20:32:05 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:32:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Counting subscribers
References: <c8b14a294a%Vulch@kerrier.vulch.org>
Message-ID: <3A2FE5B5.38226962@nleaudio.com>

Is there a way to generate a report of how many messages have been sent by mailman?  I'd like a monthly report showing not only total subscribers but total number of messages.

Bob



From vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu  Thu Dec  7 21:14:54 2000
From: vtsaran at nimbus.ocis.temple.edu (Victor Tsaran)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:14:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Current version of MailMan on a website
Message-ID: <002501c0608a$5e0c6d80$beeef79b@default>

Hello,
It would be very convenient if website displayed the current version of the
program on a front page. Otherwise, where to even look for this info.
Best,
Vic





From snolan at carolina.rr.com  Thu Dec  7 21:18:33 2000
From: snolan at carolina.rr.com (Steve Nolan)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:18:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please Contact
Message-ID: <NEBBKKJMGLHPPHEKKCJFMECKCAAA.snolan@carolina.rr.com>

Please give me a call.  My name is Steve Nolan.  I owe you guys some money
for your hosting services that I thought were paid by our webmaster.
Apparently that is not the case. I want to make sure you do have the proper
credit card on file and all so we can pay off any outstanding balance owed
for hosting our website (www.thepaintballreport.com).

If someone could call me at 704-301-1876 I greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

Steve




From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Thu Dec  7 21:27:13 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 15:27:13 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db changing ownership???
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F537A@COM>

OK. It seems that whenever I configure and make install, mailman sets the
owner of 'config.db' and 'config.db.last' to 'nobody'. If I chown them to
'mailman' something seems to change them back to 'nobody'.

I set up configure like so

./configure --with-mail-gid=99 --with-cgi-gid=99 --with-username=mailman

Needless to say nothing works correctly when those two files have the owner
of 'nobody'. Once I chown them to 'mailman' life is good for about 5
minutes, then things stop working again because somehow those two file got
re owned by 'nobody'.

What is going on?



From mrlist at ActiveState.com  Thu Dec  7 22:03:22 2000
From: mrlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:03:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About these funny warning message.
Message-ID: <20001207130034.B4A8.MRLIST@activestate.com>

Hi, guys,

Everytime I upgraded mailman, I got those warinning message, but I don't
know what it is talking about. Though after  update, everything seems
fine, but I am still curious and wonder what it means. 

Updating mailing list:  announce
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me

Thanks!




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Dec  7 22:45:27 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:45:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About these funny warning message.
References: <20001207130034.B4A8.MRLIST@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <3A3004F7.66A98BF2@west.sun.com>

Harmless.  It means the upgrade process has nothing to do with your
.mbox files, and is just leaving them alone.

Eric Wang wrote:
> 
> Hi, guys,
> 
> Everytime I upgraded mailman, I got those warinning message, but I don't
> know what it is talking about. Though after  update, everything seems
> fine, but I am still curious and wonder what it means.
> 
> Updating mailing list:  announce
> - updating old private mbox file
>     looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
>     you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
> - updating old public mbox file
>     looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
>     you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From mrlist at ActiveState.com  Fri Dec  8 00:16:37 2000
From: mrlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:16:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] About these funny warning message.
In-Reply-To: <3A3004F7.66A98BF2@west.sun.com>
References: <20001207130034.B4A8.MRLIST@activestate.com> <3A3004F7.66A98BF2@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20001207151454.B4CB.MRLIST@activestate.com>

On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 13:45:27 -0800
Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at west.sun.com> wrote:

> Harmless.  It means the upgrade process has nothing to do with your
> .mbox files, and is just leaving them alone.
> 

I just find out why it upgrade some of them and leave some alone,
anyway what is the .mbox file for? store all subscribers' email address,
or archive the messages?



> Eric Wang wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, guys,
> > 
> > Everytime I upgraded mailman, I got those warinning message, but I don't
> > know what it is talking about. Though after  update, everything seems
> > fine, but I am still curious and wonder what it means.
> > 
> > Updating mailing list:  announce
> > - updating old private mbox file
> >     looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
> >     you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
> > - updating old public mbox file
> >     looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
> >     you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From mrlist at ActiveState.com  Fri Dec  8 00:20:02 2000
From: mrlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang)
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:20:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the mailman confirm message format?
Message-ID: <20001207151725.B4CE.MRLIST@activestate.com>

Hi, guys,

I would like it change confim message a little bit when people subscribe
the mail list, but I can't find it nowhere. 

Thanks






From RyanC at clallampud.net  Fri Dec  8 01:46:04 2000
From: RyanC at clallampud.net (Ryan Christensen)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:46:04 -0800 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question on archiving..
Message-ID: <01669FF2BAFAD3118B0B000629F9D7120DE138@email>

Two things:

First - My archives aren't threading properly.  It will archive the original
messages, but not any 'Re:' messages.  This is a vital part of the list,
since a predominant portion does consist of replies.  Anything I'm doing
wrong?  I just did a default (by the book) installation, and haven't tweaked
anything yet.

Second - I've noticed that the mail wrapper doesn't properly parse emails
that come from an Exchange server.  Even though the Outlook Client IS SET
for plaintext, exchange still includes HTML code.  In the archive, this
shows up as a 'two part mime message'.  Is there any way to avoid this, and
just show the main message? (be it HTML or plaintext..)

Thanks,
Ryan Christensen
 
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  8 02:02:07 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:02:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the mailman confirm message format?
Message-ID: <200012080100.RAA08592@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Hi, guys,
> 
> I would like it change confim message a little bit when people subscribe
> the mail list, but I can't find it nowhere. 

templates/subscribeack.txt.  It's global for all lists.

If you use the patch I uploaded to Sourceforge, you can make it
list-private (along with all the other templates/ files).




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Dec  8 03:38:27 2000
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:38:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variables
In-Reply-To: <0012079762.AA976214345@ccgate.nywd.uscourts.gov>
References: <0012079762.AA976214345@ccgate.nywd.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <p05010404b655f8e64347@[207.149.192.229]>

At 13:38 -0500 12/7/00, Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov wrote:
>How do I force the name of the sender to show up in the text of a message?

You use a mail merge system, rather than a mailing list manager.  One of
the tasks of the typical mailing list manager is to reduce the bandwidth
used by doing things like sending one copy of the message to a mail
exchanger which is the exchanger for several of the list members.  That
implies everyone gets the same contents.

   --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  8 03:44:34 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:44:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variables
Message-ID: <200012080243.SAA10864@utopia.west.sun.com>

> At 13:38 -0500 12/7/00, Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov wrote:
> >How do I force the name of the sender to show up in the text of a message?
> 
> You use a mail merge system, rather than a mailing list manager.  One of
> the tasks of the typical mailing list manager is to reduce the bandwidth
> used by doing things like sending one copy of the message to a mail
> exchanger which is the exchanger for several of the list members.  That
> implies everyone gets the same contents.

Well, he said "sender", not "recipient".  "Sender name" is the same
for all recipients, presumably.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Fri Dec  8 03:57:30 2000
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:57:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variables
In-Reply-To: <200012080243.SAA10864@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200012080243.SAA10864@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <p05010407b655fe46869c@[207.149.192.229]>

At 18:44 -0800 12/7/00, Dan Mick wrote:
>> At 13:38 -0500 12/7/00, Patrick_Healy at nywd.uscourts.gov wrote:
>> >How do I force the name of the sender to show up in the text of a message?
>>
>> You use a mail merge system, rather than a mailing list manager.  One of
>> the tasks of the typical mailing list manager is to reduce the bandwidth
>> used by doing things like sending one copy of the message to a mail
>> exchanger which is the exchanger for several of the list members.  That
>> implies everyone gets the same contents.
>
>Well, he said "sender", not "recipient".  "Sender name" is the same
>for all recipients, presumably.

Hmmm...I clearly need to read better.  Sorry, Mr Healy.  Please ignore what
I said.

I don't know the answer to your actual question (for Mailman).

  --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From matt at mattd.org  Fri Dec  8 04:12:50 2000
From: matt at mattd.org (Matthew Dickinson)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 03:12:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] delay before sending out emails
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012080307560.17486-100000@bulldog.pdcompsys.com>

Hi

i'm running version 2.0 and have upgraded from beta5 then beta6 and still
have the same problem.

When a mail is sent to the list (looking at /var/log/maillog we
see: status=sent ("| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post old") ) it gets to
the right place. I am under the impression that it should deliver
immediately, but it doesn't. Instead it waits for the next minute to
arrive and the failed delivery part of the cronjob takes over
(/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner).

I'm running RedHat 6.2 with postfix as the MTA, apart from not sending the
mails out immediately, everything is fine. I've spoken to a friend of
mine, also running postfix (albeit under NetBSD) and his mails out
immediately....

This has got me a little stumped.. i welcome any input!

THanks

Matt




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec  8 04:18:57 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 19:18:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] delay before sending out emails
Message-ID: <200012080317.TAA12003@utopia.west.sun.com>

I believe this is how it's designed to work.  *All* outgoing mails
are queued, and eventually delivered by qrunner.

>From post:

    # Immediately queue the message for the qrunner to deliver, mostly likely
    # about a minute from now.  The advantage to this approach is that
    # messages should never get lost -- some MTAs have a hard limit to the
    # time a filter prog can run.  Postfix is a good example; if the limit is
    # hit, the proc is SIGKILL'd giving us no chance to save the message.  It
    # could take a long time to acquire the lock.  This way we're fairly safe
    # against catastrophe at the expense of more disk I/O.


Is the average of the extra 30 seconds a problem?

> i'm running version 2.0 and have upgraded from beta5 then beta6 and still
> have the same problem.
> 
> When a mail is sent to the list (looking at /var/log/maillog we
> see: status=sent ("| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post old") ) it gets to
> the right place. I am under the impression that it should deliver
> immediately, but it doesn't. Instead it waits for the next minute to
> arrive and the failed delivery part of the cronjob takes over
> (/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner).
> 
> I'm running RedHat 6.2 with postfix as the MTA, apart from not sending the
> mails out immediately, everything is fine. I've spoken to a friend of
> mine, also running postfix (albeit under NetBSD) and his mails out
> immediately....
> 
> This has got me a little stumped.. i welcome any input!




From matt at mattd.org  Fri Dec  8 04:22:52 2000
From: matt at mattd.org (Matthew Dickinson)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 03:22:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] delay before sending out emails
In-Reply-To: <200012080317.TAA12003@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012080321020.17583-100000@bulldog.pdcompsys.com>

it's not a problem as such, and indeed the 30 seconds is nothing for a
wait anyways, i was just a little curious/interested due to the difference
of two apparent similar setups (mine queues, my friends doesn't) i was
just wondering if this had been seen before, or if it was a feature i
really was missing.

Matt


On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Dan Mick wrote:

> I believe this is how it's designed to work.  *All* outgoing mails
> are queued, and eventually delivered by qrunner.
> 
> >From post:
> 
>     # Immediately queue the message for the qrunner to deliver, mostly likely
>     # about a minute from now.  The advantage to this approach is that
>     # messages should never get lost -- some MTAs have a hard limit to the
>     # time a filter prog can run.  Postfix is a good example; if the limit is
>     # hit, the proc is SIGKILL'd giving us no chance to save the message.  It
>     # could take a long time to acquire the lock.  This way we're fairly safe
>     # against catastrophe at the expense of more disk I/O.
> 
> 
> Is the average of the extra 30 seconds a problem?
> 
> > i'm running version 2.0 and have upgraded from beta5 then beta6 and still
> > have the same problem.
> > 
> > When a mail is sent to the list (looking at /var/log/maillog we
> > see: status=sent ("| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post old") ) it gets to
> > the right place. I am under the impression that it should deliver
> > immediately, but it doesn't. Instead it waits for the next minute to
> > arrive and the failed delivery part of the cronjob takes over
> > (/usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner).
> > 
> > I'm running RedHat 6.2 with postfix as the MTA, apart from not sending the
> > mails out immediately, everything is fine. I've spoken to a friend of
> > mine, also running postfix (albeit under NetBSD) and his mails out
> > immediately....
> > 
> > This has got me a little stumped.. i welcome any input!
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Dec  8 07:06:45 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:06:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Variables
In-Reply-To: <p05010407b655fe46869c@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <200012080243.SAA10864@utopia.west.sun.com>
 <p05010407b655fe46869c@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <p04330103b656295095a8@[209.239.169.197]>

At 6:57 PM -0800 12/7/00, John W Baxter wrote:

>Hmmm...I clearly need to read better.  Sorry, Mr Healy.  Please ignore what
>I said.

darn, I was looking forward to arguing about the values of VERPing 
again.. (giggle)

>I don't know the answer to your actual question (for Mailman).

the answer I believe, is that you more or less can't right now.

First, the MLM shouldn't be modifying the content of a message, IMHO. 
that's the author's content, not the list server's. So it shouldn't 
go mucking with it.

We do make exceptions for attaching a footer (in my view, somewhat 
grudgingly) -- as long as the footer is clearly delineated. There are 
some hacks in the mailman archives by folks who've tweaked mailman to 
add content like this into a message, but it's not really supported 
and you'll have to modify the hacks to do this. But it's a start, if 
you really, really want it.

I'm not sure it's worth the effort, personally.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From joel at knocean.com  Fri Dec  8 08:22:53 2000
From: joel at knocean.com (Joel Shellman)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:22:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe message
Message-ID: <02ce01c060e7$ae188bd0$13551518@cx403972a>

Is there a way to specify a different message to go to the unsubscriber if
they were "kicked off" as opposed to them request unsubsription?

Meaning that if they unsubscribe, you may want to say "oh, please don't go".
But if the adminstrator unsubscribes them from the web interface, you might
want more of a "good riddance" (okay, well, maybe not that) message to go to
them.

I just unsubscribed someone from the admin page and it sent them the same
message as if they had requested unsubscription--that's why I'm asking.

Thanks,

-joel shellman
http://www.knocean.com/




From Sacit.Uluirmak at tcmb.gov.tr  Fri Dec  8 08:28:21 2000
From: Sacit.Uluirmak at tcmb.gov.tr (Sacit Uluirmak)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 09:28:21 +0200 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with web authentication
Message-ID: <00BAC1E9C896D411A46100508B137C3CA4769C@IDMSMAIL1>

Thanks, 
the problem was the confliction between the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in Defaults.py
and the website, I've corrected the HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py and it works
now... 

>I could sign-in to the admin web pages but when I try to submit the
>changes I've made or follow any link on the admin page Mailman tries to
>authenticate me again. My browsers accept cookies.

I've seen this under two circumstances -- first you don't have 
cookies turned on. Second, if there's a conflict between the hostname 
you're using on the web side and the hostname mailman is configured 
to use.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From joel at knocean.com  Fri Dec  8 08:59:25 2000
From: joel at knocean.com (Joel Shellman)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:59:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Don't include mailing list headers (List-Help, List-Post, etc)
Message-ID: <033601c060ec$c84b72b0$13551518@cx403972a>

Is there any way to turn off all the headers that go along with the
messages?

All the List-Help, List-Post, List-Subscribe, etc.

I searched through Defaults.py and didn't see anything, but I'm hoping there
is somewhere I can disable them.

Thanks,

-joel




From 21stcentury at isd.net  Fri Dec  8 11:10:26 2000
From: 21stcentury at isd.net (Robert & Ione Kealy)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 04:10:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Thank You For Your Email
Message-ID: <200012081008.EAA13623@spiro.isd.net>

WHAT IF ?
There was a home business opportunity that could improve your financial condition, 
you could build simply by following directions?
 
A 100% turn-key program to sort and sell for you with an automatic Online Recruiter 
and a Professional Audio/Visual presentation Available 24 hours a day, 7 days 
a week!
 
WHAT IF ?
You could earn a FREE car payments by telling others about your home business?

WHAT IF ?
You could receive FREE house payments made for you just for helping others find 
this business?

WHAT IF ?
You could build an estate for your children or family simply by telling others 
how they could do the same?

WHAT IF ?
We provided you a FREE commerce enabled webstore. A business you could be proud 
of with products that were high quality and similar to what you were already 
buying at a competitors store? All this through a nutritional company that has 
a line of over 
90 high-quality satisfaction-guaranteed items. All this for about $3/day, until 
you referred just three people... then it's FREE!

WHAT IF ?
You could purchase these products over an 800 number and receive a 25% discount 
off retail and grocery store prices?

NO Inventory - NO Delivery - NO Risk!

WHAT IF ?
This company had products that could help keep you, your friends and family young 
and healthy?

WHAT IF ?
You had the option to never go to meetings; send out tapes, books or audios and 
still able to make 1,000's of presentations a day to people who were looking 
for a home based business!

WHAT IF ?
For minimal cost you could have the same tax advantages as businesses who have 
spent many thousands of dollars to start and run their businesses?

WOULD YOU HAVE AN INTEREST?
 
Please send your:
Name:
Address:
Phone Number:
Best time to Call:
Number of Hours Willing To Commit To Your Business:
How Much Money Do You Want To Earn Per Month:




From jenni.husler at guardian.co.uk  Fri Dec  8 11:29:52 2000
From: jenni.husler at guardian.co.uk (jenni.husler at guardian.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:29:52 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Counting subscribers
Message-ID: <802569AF.003A45EE.00@ldnmta01.guardian.co.uk>



Yeah, I did: Give this a go Sarah:

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

#email the number of members for each list to someone
#jh, 06/12/00
#note, no leading white space before format declarations allowed!!

@lists=`/bin/ls /usr/local/mailman/lists`;
$outfile="/usr/local/mailman/logs/num_members.out";
$date = `/bin/date`;
open OUT, ">$outfile" or die "couldn't open logfile, $!\n";
print OUT $date, "\n\n";

for $list (@lists)
{
     $members = get_members($list);
     write_file($list, $members);
}

sub get_members($list)
{
     my $list = shift;
     chomp $list;
     if (($list eq "anatomy_&_physiology") or ($list eq "art_&_design") or
($list eq 'theupdate')) {next;}
     @members=`/usr/local/mailman/bin/list_members $list`;
     chomp @members;
     $num_members=$#members + 1;
     return $num_members;
}

sub write_file($list, $members)}
{
     my $list =shift;
     my $members =shift;
format OUT_TOP =
Number of members per list
--------------------------

.
format OUT =
@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< @>>>>>>>
$list,                    $members
.
     write OUT;
}

close OUT;
`cat $outfile | /bin/mail -s "this week's list sizes" <your email
address here>`;




"Sarah K. Miller" wrote:
>
> I want to be able to run a script similar to list_lists and have it return
> the name of the list *and* the number of members on that list. Has anybody
> done this and, if so, would you be willing to share??
>
>  -- Sarah
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From Horst.Giessler at t-online.de  Fri Dec  8 13:25:03 2000
From: Horst.Giessler at t-online.de (Horst =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gie=DFler?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:25:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Abmeldung
Message-ID: <3A30D31F.D7D90BA4@t-online.de>

Ich melde mich aus dem List-Info ab




From whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie  Fri Dec  8 17:34:20 2000
From: whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie (John Whelan)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 16:34:20 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Allow posting by domain.
Message-ID: <3A310D8B.657A2DD5@eeng.dcu.ie>

Is there a way to allow postings to a list from all users within a specific
domain other than explicity listing the all addresses within that domain. e.g.
allow postings from: *@foo.com

--
************************************
John Whelan, Dublin City University,
Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland.
EMAIL: whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie
FAX:   +353-1-7005024
PHONE: +353-1-7005364
************************************





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Fri Dec  8 19:56:26 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 10:56:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Don't include mailing list headers
 (List-Help, List-Post, etc)
In-Reply-To: <033601c060ec$c84b72b0$13551518@cx403972a>
References: <033601c060ec$c84b72b0$13551518@cx403972a>
Message-ID: <p04330106b656df4f20d4@[17.216.27.234]>

check the list archives -- this has been covered in the last coupld of days.


At 11:59 PM -0800 12/7/00, Joel Shellman wrote:
>Is there any way to turn off all the headers that go along with the
>messages?
>
>All the List-Help, List-Post, List-Subscribe, etc.
>
>I searched through Defaults.py and didn't see anything, but I'm hoping there
>is somewhere I can disable them.
>
>Thanks,
>
>-joel
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From mrlist at ActiveState.com  Fri Dec  8 22:26:45 2000
From: mrlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 13:26:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change the mailman confirm message format?
In-Reply-To: <200012080100.RAA08592@utopia.west.sun.com>
References: <200012080100.RAA08592@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <20001208132630.7F70.MRLIST@activestate.com>

Thanks, man!

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 17:02:07 -0800 (PST)
Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM> wrote:

> 
> > Hi, guys,
> > 
> > I would like it change confim message a little bit when people subscribe
> > the mail list, but I can't find it nowhere. 
> 
> templates/subscribeack.txt.  It's global for all lists.
> 
> If you use the patch I uploaded to Sourceforge, you can make it
> list-private (along with all the other templates/ files).
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From A.Levenetz at bigfoot.com  Fri Dec  8 23:23:31 2000
From: A.Levenetz at bigfoot.com (Alexander Levenetz)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 23:23:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug? Subject and special characters
Message-ID: <1251080700.20001208232331@bigfoot.com>

Hello everybody,


it looks like as if Mailman does not like German Umlaute (you know,
the ones with two dots on top) in the subject field. Every reply to
such a mail duplicates the 'Re: [listname]' - three replies and the
actual subject is "gone", out of sight... The Umlaut itself is
displayed/transported correctly, though.
Is this a known bug? It does not happen with non-Umlaut subjects (=
not a mailer problem).

Greetings,
Alexander
-- 
"The only people who keep 'welcome' messages are
the people who don't need them anyway."





From eparker at mindsec.com  Fri Dec  8 23:27:44 2000
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:27:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing The Archives html..
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012081427070.13665-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

I'd like to change it so when the list traffic is archived, that it
creates the Threads, data, and subject  html pages, with a META REFRESH
tag in the html headers..

Where would I do that?

Thanks.




Erik Parker
Mind Security

An armed society, is a polite society.




From jeff at crossvalley.com  Fri Dec  8 23:31:44 2000
From: jeff at crossvalley.com (Jeff Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:31:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config.db changing ownership???
In-Reply-To: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F537A@COM>
References: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F537A@COM>
Message-ID: <p04330101b65710c373a8@[10.10.10.2]>

I had the same problem, I solved it by change the use that runs 
mailman to nobody.

use this as your config command line:
./configure --with-mail-gid=99 --with-cgi-gid=99 --with-username=nobody

then chown the install directory with:
chown -R nobody.mailman /path-to-your/install-directory


Hope this helps

>OK. It seems that whenever I configure and make install, mailman sets the
>owner of 'config.db' and 'config.db.last' to 'nobody'. If I chown them to
>'mailman' something seems to change them back to 'nobody'.
>
>I set up configure like so
>
>./configure --with-mail-gid=99 --with-cgi-gid=99 --with-username=mailman
>
>Needless to say nothing works correctly when those two files have the owner
>of 'nobody'. Once I chown them to 'mailman' life is good for about 5
>minutes, then things stop working again because somehow those two file got
>re owned by 'nobody'.
>
>What is going on?
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

-- 
Jeff Maxwell
jeff at crossvalley.com



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Dec  8 23:35:45 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:35:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing The Archives html..
Message-ID: <200012082234.OAA04399@utopia.west.sun.com>

> I'd like to change it so when the list traffic is archived, that it
> creates the Threads, data, and subject  html pages, with a META REFRESH
> tag in the html headers..
> 
> Where would I do that?

In the Python code itself, AFAIK.  Probably HyperArch.py, from a 
quick look.




From c_foggy at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  9 01:34:46 2000
From: c_foggy at yahoo.com (foggy carl)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 16:34:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ati Rage 128 GL AGP 16MB
Message-ID: <20001209003446.23281.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>

Salve,

ho installato Red Hat 6.1 sulla seguente macchina:
- AMD K6/2 3dnow! 350 Mhz
- 128 Mb di Ram
- scheda madre Chaintech
- 2 Hd: Quantum Fireball 20.5 Gb; Quantum Fireball 6.4
Gb
- scheda video Ati Rage 128 GL AGP 16 Mb Internal DAC
250 Mhz

L'istallazione ? andata bene, ma esclusivamente in
modalit? grafica, poich? la scheda video non viene
riconosciuta.
Ho consultato vari siti internet e ho scoperto che in
effetti Red Hat 6.1 non riconosceva la mia scheda Ati
e che dovevo scaricare XFree86 4.0.1
Cos? ho fatto; ho lanciato Xinstall.sh ed ho
installato la 4.0.1
Ho lanciato xconf, ho risettato le impostazioni, ma
startx non ? ugualmente possibile.
Sarei molto grato a chiunque possa fornirmi info utili
per risolvere questo problema.
Grazie, Giotto

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From mbrennen at fni.com  Sat Dec  9 01:58:09 2000
From: mbrennen at fni.com (Michael Brennen)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:58:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Ati Rage 128 GL AGP 16MB
In-Reply-To: <20001209003446.23281.qmail@web1305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0012081849010.25711-100000@elmer.fni.com>

Questa lista non ha niente a che fare con l'istallazione linux.
Non so da dove hai ricevuto quest'indirizzo, ma qui si discute il
sistema 'mailman' per gestire le liste di posta elettronica.
Questa domanda va meglio diretto alla RedHat stessa oppure ricercata
sul sito web www.redhat.com.

   -- Michael

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, foggy carl wrote:

> Salve,
>
> ho installato Red Hat 6.1 sulla seguente macchina:
> - AMD K6/2 3dnow! 350 Mhz
> - 128 Mb di Ram
> - scheda madre Chaintech
> - 2 Hd: Quantum Fireball 20.5 Gb; Quantum Fireball 6.4
> Gb
> - scheda video Ati Rage 128 GL AGP 16 Mb Internal DAC
> 250 Mhz
>
> L'istallazione ? andata bene, ma esclusivamente in
> modalit? grafica, poich? la scheda video non viene
> riconosciuta.
> Ho consultato vari siti internet e ho scoperto che in
> effetti Red Hat 6.1 non riconosceva la mia scheda Ati
> e che dovevo scaricare XFree86 4.0.1
> Cos? ho fatto; ho lanciato Xinstall.sh ed ho
> installato la 4.0.1
> Ho lanciato xconf, ho risettato le impostazioni, ma
> startx non ? ugualmente possibile.
> Sarei molto grato a chiunque possa fornirmi info utili
> per risolvere questo problema.
> Grazie, Giotto




From tskisel at tds.net  Sat Dec  9 03:15:39 2000
From: tskisel at tds.net (Anthony J. Kiselicka)
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:15:39 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] No page
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20001208201539.00685c5c@mail.tds.net>

I have been trying to see the AEA members page only and I can't get it. I
need some help please.




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From ghamm at ghks.de  Sat Dec  9 16:40:34 2000
From: ghamm at ghks.de (Hamm, Gottfried)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:40:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: Mailman
Message-ID: <065DF97CCA0B7347BE797A980F19B2B2047B79@sandino.ghks.de>

Hola Sandra,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandra [mailto:sandy18 at sagitario.cic.ipn.mx]
> Sent: Dienstag, 5. Dezember 2000 22:20
> To: barry at wooz.org
> Subject: Mailman
> 
> Estoy configurando el mailman, estoy en la parte final en
> donde hay que enlazar con el Webserver,ahi me surgio la
> duda, como checo la configuracion de mi webserver, mi
> webserver es apache.........

si me podrias describir tu problema un poquito mas exacto, tal vez te
puedo ayudar.

Saludos,

Gottfried

-- 
Gottfried Hamm
Phone +49 (6249) 905005 | Fax +49 (6249) 905004
mailto:ghamm at ghks.de | http://www.ghks.de



From fred at cffh.com  Sat Dec  9 18:59:33 2000
From: fred at cffh.com (Fred Craven)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:59:33 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO, and the problem with programmers.
Message-ID: <a05001904b6581b01bd5c@[10.10.10.100]>

I was happy to notice the little discussion about the how to remove 
the extended headers that came with Mailman 2. Thanks to the response 
I now know what part of the problem is: the programers.

In the previous threads on headers it was recommended that the new 
headers be kept even if some antiquated email clients don't know what 
to do with them. Why? Because we need to move forward, and those 
headers are helpful--Just provide a FAQ on how to make the changes to 
your browser...

Such statements may be fine with programmers, but not with normal 
human beings. Normal humans don't know where to find those 
preferences. They (we) like to work in comfortable environments, and 
THEY are the end user, THEY are the customer.

Personally, I'm not that technically savvy myself, but I know enough 
to get myself in trouble. In fact, I didn't even know how to get 
Eudora to "Reply to" this blasted list to post this message. HEY, I 
always reply to the list, like a normal person. If I want to reply to 
an individual I actually copy their email address. Sure this isn't 
the most efficient way to do things, but it's the way normal people 
handle email. It is the only way all of my subscribers no how to 
operate. No matter what I try to do, no matter what I try to tell 
them, only a few will get it.

The problem with programmers is that they don't think like the rest 
of us. There's nothing wrong with this--this is what makes 
programmers special. But trying to convince a programmer to change a 
product to meet the needs of the END USER, can be... difficult.

There should be a way for administrators to set their mailing lists 
to suit the audience--the END USERS--of the list. Sometimes that 
means changing the default "reply to" address, which (despite its 
detractors) is (in the words of Martha Stewart) a GOOD THING. And it 
also means cleaning up big fat messy headers.

Hey, who needs annoying adds when you can have Mailman headers!

I appreciate the big fat messy headers but, I don't like them messing 
up my email. I don't want to change my email client to get rid of 
them, and I don't want to to have to re-educate my users on how to 
change their clients. It's bad enough that I will get a bunch of 
complaints over the way the digests come as a mass of attachments.

Fred Craven



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Dec  9 19:52:45 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:52:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO, and the
 problem with programmers.
In-Reply-To: <a05001904b6581b01bd5c@[10.10.10.100]>
References: <a05001904b6581b01bd5c@[10.10.10.100]>
Message-ID: <p0433011cb6582f8f3794@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:59 AM -0600 12/9/00, Fred Craven wrote:

>The problem with programmers is that they don't think like the rest of us.

thank you very much. I hadn't realized this.

I'll go crawl back in my hole, and not bother the world with anything 
in the future. Of course, if all programmers did this, oyu wouldn't 
ahve any of our code to complain about would you?

Fred, this is a bogus argument. It can just as easily be turned 
around, and us "programmers who don't think like the rest of us" 
complain about users who worry only about "what I want now", and 
don't care about the important, longer-term issues of "how do we make 
this better" and "how do we make sure it STAYS running in the future?"

not amused...
-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From jeff at look.net  Sat Dec  9 20:10:18 2000
From: jeff at look.net (Maczilla)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:10:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO, and the problem with programmers.
Message-ID: <auto-000004856452@look.net>

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From kaw at zrodla.most.org.pl  Sat Dec  9 20:12:55 2000
From: kaw at zrodla.most.org.pl (Krzysztof Wychowalek)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:12:55 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script for premail?
In-Reply-To: <20001209170151.1BF3BE9C3@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20001209191417.6EB771CC68@dinsdale.python.org>

As we know, if there is a "|preline" string missing before "wrapper 
post" command, the archives won't work.
As described in FAQ:

> Q. Still having problems? Running QMail? 
> A. Make sure that you are using "preline" before calling "wrapper": 
> 
>    |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post listname 
> 
>                         "preline" adds a Unix-style "From " header
>                         which the archiver requires. You can fix the
>                         archive mbox files by adding: 
> 
>                         From somebody Mon Oct 9 12:27:34 MDT 2000 
> 
>                         before every message and re-running the
>                         archive command "bin/arch listname". The
>                         archives should now exist. See README.QMAIL
>                         for more information. 

I realized it 3 months too late. Now I have realy big mbox files and 
it's not wise to edit them manually to add a "from somebody" line 
at the beginning of every message. I am going to write a script for 
that, but maybe someone did it before? If so, I would be grateful if 
he or she could send it to me (priv). Thanks in advance.



Krzysztof Wychowalek
ICQ# 34184303
GSM +48602824334
PGP Key ID 0xEA9D2A3C



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Dec  9 20:16:22 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 11:16:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO, and the
 problem with programmers.
In-Reply-To: <auto-000004856452@look.net>
References: <auto-000004856452@look.net>
Message-ID: <p0433011eb658356f9934@[209.239.169.197]>

At 2:10 PM -0500 12/9/00, Maczilla wrote:

>Try setting the digest users to PLAIN.

that would require (gasp) reading the instructions.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From fred at cffh.com  Sat Dec  9 20:30:35 2000
From: fred at cffh.com (Fred Craven)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:30:35 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO,
 and the problem with programmers.
In-Reply-To: <p0433011cb6582f8f3794@[209.239.169.197]>
References: <a05001904b6581b01bd5c@[10.10.10.100]>
 <p0433011cb6582f8f3794@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <a05001908b65831a70f6e@[10.10.10.100]>

>At 11:59 AM -0600 12/9/00, Fred Craven wrote:
>
>>The problem with programmers is that they don't think like the rest of us.
>
>thank you very much. I hadn't realized this.

It is a good thing they think differently.

>I'll go crawl back in my hole, and not bother the world with 
>anything in the future. Of course, if all programmers did this, oyu 
>wouldn't ahve any of our code to complain about would you?

Nope.

>Fred, this is a bogus argument. It can just as easily be turned 
>around, and us "programmers who don't think like the rest of us" 
>complain about users who worry only about "what I want now", and 
>don't care about the important, longer-term issues of "how do we 
>make this better" and "how do we make sure it STAYS running in the 
>future?"

My argument is not bogus. programmers look at every little detail and 
specification--everything has its place and a reason (subjective). 
End users look at their experience, how it feels (objective). This is 
one of the things that made, and Makes, the Macintosh platform (and 
it's copies) better for end users.

In the context of Mailman, the new headers in the email messages are 
a good thing, as are the various ways in which to reply (to sender, 
to list, to all, whatever), but if they cause confusion to the end 
user than they are a problem for the end user. If, however, there is 
an convenient way change the settings from an administrators 
perspective, then the end user is happy. It's still moving towards 
the future, just not at the same speed.

Fred



From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Dec  9 20:35:27 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:35:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO, and the problem with programmers. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Fred Craven <fred@cffh.com> 
   of "Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:59:33 CST." <a05001904b6581b01bd5c@[10.10.10.100]> 
References: <a05001904b6581b01bd5c@[10.10.10.100]> 
Message-ID: <30265.976390527@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:59:33 -0600 
Fred Craven <fred at cffh.com> wrote:

> In the previous threads on headers it was recommended that the new
> headers be kept even if some antiquated email clients don't know
> what to do with them. Why? Because we need to move forward, and
> those headers are helpful--Just provide a FAQ on how to make the
> changes to your browser...

There's a happy middle point: do you always give users waht they
think they want, or do you attempt, to some extent, to cajole and
entice them forward into something better in some fashion?  The
balance between the two is a personal choice.  Where you make that
choice and what criteria you use to make it are subject to both your
purposes for the activity/list, and your audience.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                        : http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jerrya at jerrya.net  Sat Dec  9 20:40:27 2000
From: jerrya at jerrya.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:40:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO, and the problem
 with programmers.
In-Reply-To: <a05001908b65831a70f6e@[10.10.10.100]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012091338030.12900-100000@jerrya.jerrya.net>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Fred Craven wrote:
...
> In the context of Mailman, the new headers in the email messages are 
> a good thing, as are the various ways in which to reply (to sender, 
> to list, to all, whatever), but if they cause confusion to the end 
> user than they are a problem for the end user. If, however, there is 
> an convenient way change the settings from an administrators 
> perspective, then the end user is happy. It's still moving towards 
> the future, just not at the same speed.

I think in the case of the new headers, what it comes down to is this: How
many of your users are using Eudora, which seems to be the only mailer
which by default does not hide those headers.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From fred at cffh.com  Sat Dec  9 20:55:24 2000
From: fred at cffh.com (Fred Craven)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:55:24 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with users.
In-Reply-To: <auto-000004856452@look.net>
References: <auto-000004856452@look.net>
Message-ID: <a05001909b65838e5c331@[10.10.10.100]>

I humbly acknowledge my error.

>On Saturday, December 9, 2000, at 12:59 PM, Fred Craven wrote:
>
>I was happy to notice the little discussion about the how to remove
>the extended headers that came with Mailman 2. Thanks to the response
>I now know what part of the problem is: the programers.
>
>No, the programmers are not the problem: your expectations are. In 
>the open source world, people make software available that they have 
>written for THEIR OWN USAGE available to the public. If it doesn't 
>act like you want it to, PATCH it. If you feel that your patch might 
>be useful to others, then submit it. It sure doesn't mean that the 
>developers are here to answer to YOUR beck and call.

Thus you are correct, and I would never expect the developers here to 
be at my beck and call (I have other developers to do that :). My 
*expectations* are out of place, but I think they are in a good 
place. I am one who, in the end, gets to use the results of open 
source, and I thank all who have worked on for this cause.

I work between programmers and users for a living, and I get this all 
the time. please forgive my sarcasm about programmers. I love you, I 
think you are great, I value your skills. And please suffer me the 
privilege of speaking from a users perspective. From what I have 
read, seen, and experienced: programmers disregard the user's 
experience and needs as much as users disregard the programers needs.

So I, a user, now express a perspective that says an *option* to 
"turn of the extended headers" would be appreciated.

Thank you so much.


>
>It's bad enough that I will get a bunch of
>complaints over the way the digests come as a mass of attachments.
>
>Try setting the digest users to PLAIN. Hey, it makes sense to me 
>(but I'm one of those afflicted programmer-types).

Actually it is set for PLAIN. The complaint that I get is based on 
comparisons to "other" digests where the content of each message is 
put into one continuous email with little breaks between the messages 
(and no headers are included for each message). I informed my users 
that they would have to put up with their format--although, I would 
change it If could.

Fred Craven



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Sat Dec  9 21:39:36 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:39:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BIG FAT MESSY HEADERS, REPLY TO, and the problem
 with programmers.
In-Reply-To: <a05001908b65831a70f6e@[10.10.10.100]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091238580.22258-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Fred Craven wrote:
> My argument is not bogus. programmers look at every little detail and 
> specification--everything has its place and a reason (subjective). 
> End users look at their experience, how it feels (objective).

You seem to have crossed the meanings between "objective" and
"subjective."

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From esper at sherohman.org  Sat Dec  9 22:07:38 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 15:07:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with users.
In-Reply-To: <a05001909b65838e5c331@[10.10.10.100]>; from fred@cffh.com on Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 01:55:24PM -0600
References: <auto-000004856452@look.net> <a05001909b65838e5c331@[10.10.10.100]>
Message-ID: <20001209150738.C1028@sherohman.org>

On Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 01:55:24PM -0600, Fred Craven wrote:
> And please suffer me the 
> privilege of speaking from a users perspective. From what I have 
> read, seen, and experienced: programmers disregard the user's 
> experience and needs as much as users disregard the programers needs.

I don't want to restart a battle that has, apparently, already been settled,
but there's one additional point that I haven't seen brought up:

Some programs are not directly involved in the "end-user experience".  Server
functions that pass data from machine to machine without user interaction (or
even user awareness) make up most of this class of software.  Mailman falls
into this category (aside from the web interface, of course, but that's for
managing the program, not part of its core functionality).

The "user experience", in this case, is provided by the mail client, not by
Mailman.  If unwanted headers are being displayed, that is a problem with the
client.  (Considering that the standards allow anyone to add any arbitrary
headers they like, I would think that MUAs should default to hiding all
unrecognized headers anyhow, but I digress...)  In this case, the headers are
called for by the relevant standards.  The client is noncompliant and,
therefore, definitively broken.

Now, I think an optional "broken client compatibility mode" switch would not
be a bad thing, but it's not a necessity that the server provide it and it's
certainly not appropriate to reprimand the server's developers for not
providing it.  If you want to complain about what happens when you use a
broken client, the producer of that client is the only one who can fix it, so
they should bear the brunt of your complaints.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sat Dec  9 22:11:12 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:11:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with users. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Fred Craven <fred@cffh.com> 
   of "Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:55:24 CST." <a05001909b65838e5c331@[10.10.10.100]> 
References: <auto-000004856452@look.net>  <a05001909b65838e5c331@[10.10.10.100]> 
Message-ID: <6471.976396272@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 13:55:24 -0600 
Fred Craven <fred at cffh.com> wrote:

> So I, a user, now express a perspective that says an *option* to
> "turn of the extended headers" would be appreciated.

Conversely, I, as one who builds mail systems for a living and
spends the amjority of the rest of his professional life in 'net
related actiities, would far prefer if this was one capacity which
was not configurable.

The reasons and motives for writing the RFC that resulted in those
headers are still true.  There needs to be a concerted force to move
the state of MUAs forward, and in this case, its not a force which
can or will start with users (as it doesn't directly benefit them).
It has to start with the people who run lists, and that means the
list servers.

Now this of course doesn't mean that you can't patch you own Mailman
installs -- and in fact instructions for doing so have been posted
to the list.  What it means is that you'll likely find little
agreement for moving AWAY from the RFCs a base feature of Mailman.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                        : http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Sat Dec  9 22:21:07 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 13:21:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with users.
In-Reply-To: <6471.976396272@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, J C Lawrence wrote:
> Now this of course doesn't mean that you can't patch you own Mailman
> installs -- and in fact instructions for doing so have been posted
> to the list.  What it means is that you'll likely find little
> agreement for moving AWAY from the RFCs a base feature of Mailman.

Of course, the purpose of the headers is to enable MUAs, not to show users
crap.  So if you were to tell your Eudora users:
- how to edit their .ini to hide the headers
- to write Qualcomm demanding the MUA learn how to grow list buttons
...it would be a good thing.

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sat Dec  9 23:35:20 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 14:35:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with
 users.
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>
References: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <p04330120b65863dc8221@[209.239.169.197]>

At 1:21 PM -0800 12/9/00, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:

>- to write Qualcomm demanding the MUA learn how to grow list buttons
>...it would be a good thing.

hopefully not beating a dead horse too badly here, but Roger has the 
essence here. The right thing to do is NOT bitch at the people who 
ARE supporting standards for doing so, but butch at the people who 
aren't supporting them for NOT doing so.

the right answer isn't to tell Mailman not to use the headers, but to 
tell the mail client developers they need to, too.

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.



From cblist at cityb.net  Sun Dec 10 04:23:55 2000
From: cblist at cityb.net (Chris Brown)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 22:23:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] script for premail?
In-Reply-To: <20001209191417.6EB771CC68@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <B658617B.EE0B%cblist@cityb.net>

on 12/9/00 14:12, Krzysztof Wychowalek at kaw at zrodla.most.org.pl wrote:

> I realized it 3 months too late. Now I have realy big mbox files and
> it's not wise to edit them manually to add a "from somebody" line
> at the beginning of every message. I am going to write a script for
> that, but maybe someone did it before? If so, I would be grateful if
> he or she could send it to me (priv). Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 

The utility formail, which comes with the procmail (http://www.procmail.org)
package, will do this... a small snippet from formail(1) :

    formail is a filter that can be used to force mail into mailbox format,
    perform `From' escaping, generate auto-replying headers, do simple
    header  munging/extracting  or split  up  a mailbox/digest/articles
    file.  The mail/mailbox/article contents will be expected on stdin.

It will also run an existing mbox file through your procmail filters, i.e.:

formail -f procmail mbox

This has many interesting uses... I use it sometimes to convert an old mbox
archive into maildir format...

-- 
"The Unix programming environment is unusually rich and productive."
    _The_Unix_Programming_Environment_, Kernighan & Pike, 1984




From scott-brown at home.com  Sun Dec 10 04:36:17 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:36:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! Cant get mailman 2.0 to send messages
Message-ID: <008801c0625a$5b4681e0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

I'm having problems incorporating mailman into my server.  the cron jobs ARE
running... (I've uncommented the qrunner startup message to confirm this ;-)

I'm wokring with sendmail 8.8.5 on a RH 5.4 system with Python 1.6 (ya, I
know, none of it is the newest... but it's stable and happy) and I'm getting
messgaes like

Dec  9 22:11:21 apollo sendmail[13440]: WAA13440: <aname at home.com>... relay
attempt failed
Dec  9 22:11:21 apollo sendmail[13440]: Ruleset check_rcpt
(<aname at home.com>) rejection: 550 <aname at home.com>... relay attempt failed
Dec  9 22:11:21 apollo sendmail[13440]: WAA13440:
from=<test-admin at host-ops.com>, size=1647, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0,
proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]

...when any mailman process tries to send email. (note: aname at home.com is
not the true email address... I've replaced it to protect it from spam ..
the addy used does exist and can receive mail from that machine just fine
;-)   Note that I can SU to the mailman user, and sendmail directly from
that, and it works...

I tried installing with the defaults.  No luck.

I tried installing using a mailman:host-opsgrp uid:gid set for mail, and I
got messages saying it WANTED 521, so I changed the last ./configure to

./configure --with-mail-gid=521 --with-cgi-gid=99

did a

make clean
make
make install

And still I have problems (but the web side of things is working).

The install is apparently clean.

# bin/check_perms
No problems found

The webpages work peachy.

The SMTP wrapper picks up the mail fine, and queues it (I've seen the files
in the /home/mailman/qfiles directory)

But qrunner, and any other routine which tries to send out email keeps
dying.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look?

I've had a prof linux admin look at this as well, and he cant figure out
what is causing this to flake out.




From jwblist at olympus.net  Sun Dec 10 05:13:34 2000
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:13:34 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with
 users.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <p05010401b658b2000ab9@[207.149.192.229]>

At 13:21 -0800 12/9/00, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
>Of course, the purpose of the headers is to enable MUAs, not to show users
>crap.  So if you were to tell your Eudora users:
>- how to edit their .ini to hide the headers
>- to write Qualcomm demanding the MUA learn how to grow list buttons
>...it would be a good thing.

On the Mac, there is a nice GUI for adding headers which should be hidden.
It's well described in balloon help, and it's in a reasonably-expected
place in the Settings dialog.  (I use my Windows machine for very little
[and right now it's running Linux], and haven't looked for this in Eudora
there...I'd be a little surprised if editing the .ini file is the only way
to do it.)

"Demanding" something of Qualcomm is entirely too likely to be counter
productive.  The Board of Directors already seems unhappy about the
continued existence of the program.

I've used Eudora since about 1993 (long before it escaped over to the
Windows world)...I have yet to see anything which tempts me to leave it
(although I use pine happily as well).

   --John
-- 
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From hendryx at bigfoot.com  Sun Dec 10 05:26:05 2000
From: hendryx at bigfoot.com (Hendryx)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 04:26:05 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fake domains?
Message-ID: <20001210042605.A11224@hendryx.com>

Is it posable to have email sent from/via Mailman to be sent as from a
domain that does not actally exist in the computer?

ie: lclc.net exists else where in the Net but Mailman would write all
mail it sends as from @lclc.net even though lclc.net is not a valid
domian for the local machine!

-- 
 - Hendryx (aka "WinterLight")

... Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sun Dec 10 05:45:30 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:45:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with 
 users.
In-Reply-To: <p05010401b658b2000ab9@[207.149.192.229]>
References: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>
 <p05010401b658b2000ab9@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <p0433012bb658ba7bde1e@[209.239.169.197]>

At 8:13 PM -0800 12/9/00, John W Baxter wrote:

>"Demanding" something of Qualcomm is entirely too likely to be counter
>productive.

don't bet on it.  Eudora is usually the first to implement many new 
features/standards, at least of the commercial clients. And the 
programming team is pretty sharp. They're usually quite responsive in 
my discussions with them.

I realize life is, well, interesting at Qualcomm, but I ahve hopes 
they'll end up being sold to some organization that will deal with it 
rationally and have realistic financial hopes for the package.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Dec 10 05:55:21 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 20:55:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with users. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> 
   of "Sat, 09 Dec 2000 20:45:30 PST." <p0433012bb658ba7bde1e@[209.239.169.197]> 
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org> <p05010401b658b2000ab9@[207.149.192.229]>  <p0433012bb658ba7bde1e@[209.239.169.197]> 
Message-ID: <14011.976424121@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:45:30 -0800 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:

> At 8:13 PM -0800 12/9/00, John W Baxter wrote:
>> "Demanding" something of Qualcomm is entirely too likely to be
>> counter productive.

> don't bet on it.  Eudora is usually the first to implement many
> new features/standards, at least of the commercial clients. And
> the programming team is pretty sharp. They're usually quite
> responsive in my discussions with them.

I spent three years trying to get them to support attributions to
something other than "you" for group replies before Iever got any
reply other than, "It is not a bug, that's correct and reasonable
behaviour!"

Of course now the pro version has that feature...

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Sun Dec 10 06:06:10 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:06:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with
 users.
In-Reply-To: <14011.976424121@kanga.nu>
References: 
 <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>
 <p05010401b658b2000ab9@[207.149.192.229]> 
 <p0433012bb658ba7bde1e@[209.239.169.197]> <14011.976424121@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <p04330130b658bf9a122b@[209.239.169.197]>

At 8:55 PM -0800 12/9/00, J C Lawrence wrote:

>I spent three years trying to get them to support attributions to
>something other than "you" for group replies before Iever got any
>reply other than, "It is not a bug, that's correct and reasonable
>behaviour!"

well, true -- they do have strong opinions, and if you don't convince them....

(but the same is true of me, so who am I to complain?)

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From dj at pcisys.net  Sun Dec 10 06:27:59 2000
From: dj at pcisys.net (D.J. Atkinson)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 22:27:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] some messages in queue not being processed
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012091446290.28982-100000@babu.pcisys.net>

Starting on Dec 5, I've had an issue where qrunner only seems to be
partially processing the queue.

Here's what I've seen so far:

A message arrives, gets processed by wrapper and placed in the qfiles
directory as a .msg file with an accompaning .db file, theoretically to be
sent to the list or to the admin the next time qrunner executes.

The next (and any subsequent) time that qrunner executes (for those of you
who like to blast people for not setting up cron, yes it is set up, and
yes it is running successfully), it seems to read the .db file (as
indicated by "ls -lu"), but doesn't seem to do anything with it (or the
accompanying message file).

Other messages arriving later may or may not be successfully delivered to
the list.

Other key items:

- I'm running mailman version 2.0 on Sun Sparc Slaris 2.7

- I can find no log entries related to these files that would indicate
any errors or problems.

- check_perms finds no problems

Given that I can't find anything in the logs to indicate why the .db files
are being read, but not processed, is there a way to increase the logging
level of qrunner?  Any other thoughts on how I might be able to track this
well enough that Barry can fix it?

Thanks,

DJ

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From jwblist at olympus.net  Mon Dec 11 02:36:58 2000
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:36:58 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: BIG FAT MESSY...and the problem with  
 users.
In-Reply-To: <p0433012bb658ba7bde1e@[209.239.169.197]>
References: 
  <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012091319520.23082-100000@castro.queernet.org>
 <p05010401b658b2000ab9@[207.149.192.229]>
 <p0433012bb658ba7bde1e@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <p05010402b659ded8b972@[207.149.192.229]>

At 20:45 -0800 12/9/00, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>At 8:13 PM -0800 12/9/00, John W Baxter wrote:
>
>>"Demanding" something of Qualcomm is entirely too likely to be counter
>>productive.
>
>don't bet on it.  Eudora is usually the first to implement many new
>features/standards, at least of the commercial clients. And the
>programming team is pretty sharp. They're usually quite responsive in
>my discussions with them.
>
>I realize life is, well, interesting at Qualcomm, but I ahve hopes
>they'll end up being sold to some organization that will deal with it
>rationally and have realistic financial hopes for the package.

All the above matches my experience well (going back to the pre-Qualcomm
days).  I'm only quibbling about "demanding" rather than "requesting" or
"urging."  Hiding the headers would be very easy for them...add them to the
"Boring headers" list.  (Speaking of Mac.)  Implementing buttons tied to
them would be the harder thing.

Actually, for the Mac version, *we* can tie buttons to the headers using
AppleScript, the Scripts menu, and the ability to assign buttons to scripts
in that menu.

   --John
-- 
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From mmc at obispo.com  Mon Dec 11 06:27:18 2000
From: mmc at obispo.com (mmc)
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:27:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving lists to OpenBSD
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012102116180.13283-100000@marcus.obispo.com>

Hi -

I'm in the process of moving my mailing list server from RH Linux to
OpenBSD.  I've installed Python 1.6 and the latest Mailman, and have a
couple of questions:

* README.BSD suggests that I shouldn't have to group suid the $prefix
directories, but check_perms griped anyway.  I ran check_perms -f to fix
things up.  Would this introduce problems?

* I was unable to determine precisely the user/group that sendmail runs
under.  Using ps, it appears to be running under root.  The DefaultUser in
in sendmail.cf is commented out, and set to "mailnull", which is not a
valid user or group.  Is anyone familiar with what the --with-mail-gid
setting should be on OpenBSD 2.8?

* I've have problems moving a list from the old box to the new one.  I
created a tar of archive/private/listname, archive/private/listname.mbox,
archive/public/listname, archive/public/listname.mbox, and
lists/listname.  After un-tarring on the new server, I was able to access
the archives, but not the administration page.  On one moved list, the
password didn't transfer, on another, the admin front page never comes
up.  I did run move_list for both lists on the new server after un-tarring
the archive.

I looked in the docs and list archives for instructions on moving lists,
but didn't find anything conclusive.  What are the specific steps
necessary for moving a list from one box to another.

Sorry for the novella, and thanks in advance for any help!

Miles






From pschenkel at gmx.ch  Mon Dec 11 12:21:08 2000
From: pschenkel at gmx.ch (Philippe Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:21:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For the Mailman Wishlist
Message-ID: <4.3.0.20001211121403.00c49ae0@mail2.pipeline.ch>

Dear Mailman Team

Using Mailman for a few weeks now, I've come across some features I would 
like to see in the next version:

* support for announcement-lists (members cannot post),
* personal email-adresses for each subsciber (like lyris does),
* option to add members without any form of confirmation,
* more customization options, all texts which mailman sends to the list 
should be customizable,
* more thorogh documentation for administrators (also explaining Mailman's 
inner workings),
* PHP-Interface for Mailman for creating custom pages.

Keep up your nice work!
Regards,
Philippe

_______________________________________________________
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From steffe at msu.edu  Mon Dec 11 14:32:37 2000
From: steffe at msu.edu (J.F. Steffe)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 08:32:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive question
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001211083237.0093b8c0@mailhost.egr.msu.edu>

I love Mailman but I cannot figure out how to do one thing:  Is there a way
to erase the archive to occasionally start fresh?  Thanks for the help.



From pd at steamradio.com  Mon Dec 11 15:07:17 2000
From: pd at steamradio.com (Paul Davison)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:07:17 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] The "arch" command and memory usage
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001211135805.00a3d030@localhost>

Dear All

I am in the middle of converting various mailing lists that we run here 
from majordomo to mailman, and I am really pleased and impressed with 
mailman so far. Well done to everyone involved.

I have one mailing list that I've been running since 1990 (no, seriously, I 
have!). I have some archived digests from 1995 onwards and an older "mbox" 
file with postings from before that, when the list used to run from older 
software (first MMDF, then, later, PP). Am I showing my age yet? :-)

I wanted to convert all the historical stuff into a proper mailman archive. 
I created a wacking great big stormcock.mbox file (this is the name of the 
list -- it's for fans of Roy Harper's music). I ran the "arch" program. 
Some time later my Linux machine complained about running out of VM then it 
hung.

Investigation shows that the arch program appears to read everything into 
memory before spitting out the HTML etc. This is obviously a problem for my 
large archive running on a fairly modest Linux machine (64Meg Ram, 160Meg swap)

Can anyone suggest a better way for me to do it? I note that there appears 
to be a patch to use htdig on the sourceforge.net site. If that's 
compatible with the release 2.0 mailman, I might try that. Any thoughts?

Cheers

Paul.

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From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Mon Dec 11 17:14:14 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:14:14 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] searching archives
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53A1@COM>

Is there a trick to searching the mailman-user list at python.org? Perhaps a
group as been set up at eGroups or something similar?

I have followed the instructions at
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
"(hint: select SIG archives, but turn off ftp, website, and starship)" and
can't seem to find anything.

I am a newbie and have all kinds of questions that I don't want to bother
the list with if they have already been asked and answered.

Thanks!!

Jamey



From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Mon Dec 11 18:06:44 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:06:44 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For the Mailman Wishlist
Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Philippe Schenkel [mailto:pschenkel at gmx.ch]
> 
> Using Mailman for a few weeks now, I've come across some 
> features I would 
> like to see in the next version:
> 
> * support for announcement-lists (members cannot post),

Already does this fairly well.  I've got it set up on my server.  I don't
remember exactly the options, but I basically said that all posts are
moderated, except for a couple of people.

> * option to add members without any form of confirmation,

Do you mean that users can subscribe without confirmation, or that admins
can add users without their confirmation?  I think that the former is bad,
and that the latter already exists.

> * more customization options, all texts which mailman sends 
> to the list 
> should be customizable,

Which ones aren't customizable now?
	Greg



From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Dec 11 19:14:16 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:14:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL>; from GLeblanc@cu-portland.edu on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 09:06:44AM -0800
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL>
Message-ID: <20001211121416.D17813@sherohman.org>

On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 09:06:44AM -0800, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> > From: Philippe Schenkel [mailto:pschenkel at gmx.ch]
> > * support for announcement-lists (members cannot post),
> 
> Already does this fairly well.  I've got it set up on my server.  I don't
> remember exactly the options, but I basically said that all posts are
> moderated, except for a couple of people.

Uh, not quite the same thing...

Philippe asked for "members cannot post".  To me, this means the mlm rejects
non-admin senders immediately and automatically.

AFAICT, all Mailman has is "member posts go into an admin queue and sit
there, waiting for approval, until an admin manually rejects them".

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Mon Dec 11 19:29:06 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 10:29:06 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <20001211121416.D17813@sherohman.org>
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL>
 <20001211121416.D17813@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <p04330102b65acd4e8176@[17.216.27.234]>

At 12:14 PM -0600 12/11/00, Dave Sherohman wrote:

>Philippe asked for "members cannot post".  To me, this means the mlm rejects
>non-admin senders immediately and automatically.

you can attach the official posting address to a mailbot that does 
that pretty easily, then post via a hidden address using Bcc. Trivial 
to do...
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From tass at kenderhome.com  Mon Dec 11 20:13:23 2000
From: tass at kenderhome.com (Tass Chapman)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Error
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20001211141027.00a664f0@mail.kenderhome.com>

I ran bin/check_perms and it was fine,

But when I send an email nothing seems to happen and the archives are not 
created.

When I look at ~mailman/logs/error I get the following..

Dec 11 14:14:01 2000 (69840) Archive file access failure:
         /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mail_test.mbox/mail_test.mbox 
(0, 'Error')
Dec 11 14:14:01 2000 (69840) Delivery exception: (0, 'Error')
Dec 11 14:14:01 2000 (69840) Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in 
do_pipeline
     func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py", line 47, in process
     mlist.ArchiveMail(msg, msgdata)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 189, in 
ArchiveMail
     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 160, in 
__archive_to_mbox
     mbox.AppendMessage(post)
   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 41, in AppendMessage
     self.fp.seek(-1, 2)
IOError: (0, 'Error')



Using latest build of mailman on a FreeBSD 4.1.1 box with Apach 1.3.12 and 
Sendmail 8.10



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From katie at scs.agilent.com  Mon Dec 11 20:14:21 2000
From: katie at scs.agilent.com (Katherine Dukelow)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:14:21 PST
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron problems
Message-ID: <200012111914.LAA11164@charm.scs.agilent.com>

Hi,
  I just installed the newest release of mailman (2.0) and I am getting the
following messages e-mailed to me from the cron daemon:

#######################################################################################
From: Cron Daemon <root at harpo.scs.agilent.com>
Subject: Cron <katie at harpo> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 92, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 41, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 77, in __init__
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/test.lock.harpo.13506'

#######################################################################################
From: Cron Daemon <root at harpo.scs.agilent.com>
Subject: Cron <katie at harpo> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 222, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 198, in main
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/gate_news.lock.harpo.2438'

#######################################################################################
From: Cron Daemon <root at harpo.scs.agilent.com>
Subject: Cron <katie at harpo> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 146, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 102, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

#######################################################################################
From: Cron Daemon <root at harpo.scs.agilent.com>
Subject: Cron <katie at harpo> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 271, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.harpo.2435'

#######################################################################################
From: Cron Daemon <root at harpo.scs.agilent.com>
Subject: Cron <katie at harpo> /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/senddigests

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 65, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 40, in main
    mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 79, in __init__
    self.Load()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 891, in Load
    dict, e = self.__load(dbfile)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 868, in __load
    fp = open(dbfile)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/lists/test/config.db'


It appears to be the same problem all around (except possibly in the case of
senddigests).  Has anyone seen this before?  Did I install something incorrectly?

Thanks,
Katie



From n6rej at tcsn.net  Mon Dec 11 20:58:24 2000
From: n6rej at tcsn.net (+N6REJ)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 11:58:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] my list does'nt work
Message-ID: <017501c063ac$bcef54a0$8d7acbd1@bear>

Why is this happening?
The Postfix program

<test-request at worldspecialt.net>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to exec
    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)





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From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Mon Dec 11 21:16:31 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:16:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] my list does'nt work
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53A6@COM>

you need to re run configure with the '--with-mail-gid=' set to 99.

% ./configure --with-mail-gid=99

Follow the INSTALL file word-for-word. Do a 'make clean' per the
instructions at the end of the trouble shooting section of the INSTALL file,
then re-run your configure with the correct '--with-mail-gid' and
'--with-cgi-gid'.

Jamey


> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Monday, December 11, 2000 2:58 PM
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] my list does'nt work
> 
> Why is this happening?
> The Postfix program
> 
> < test-request at worldspecialt.net <mailto:test-request at worldspecialt.net>>:
> Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure to
> exec
>     script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
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From n6rej at tcsn.net  Mon Dec 11 21:19:29 2000
From: n6rej at tcsn.net (+N6REJ)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:19:29 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP plz
Message-ID: <019d01c063af$ab4ab340$8d7acbd1@bear>

Why is this happening?
The Postfix program

<test-request at worldspecialt.net>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test". Command output: Failure =
to exec
    script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)



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From support at methlab.synth.org  Mon Dec 11 21:43:25 2000
From: support at methlab.synth.org (Support)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:43:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy way to remove a user w/o sending a notification to them?
Message-ID: <NDBBIFKIFDDNMOLMCJHPGEFMEAAA.support@methlab.synth.org>

Hi All,

Anybody have any ideas on how to remove a user without sending them any sort
of notification that they're being removed?  I sorta RTFM, but didn't find
anything in there about it.  The only option I see that is vaguely correct
is the "Send welcome message when people subscribe?" option in General
Options.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!




From support at methlab.synth.org  Mon Dec 11 22:00:11 2000
From: support at methlab.synth.org (Support)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:00:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy way to remove a user w/o sending a notification to them?
In-Reply-To: <AD16479CE7C5D2118A6C00E0290BA937061447@SRV-BDC-EMAIL>
Message-ID: <NDBBIFKIFDDNMOLMCJHPAEFNEAAA.support@methlab.synth.org>

Well, if you have an unsubscribe message set up, it automatically sends out
the message to the soon-to-be-departing user...

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Ringling [mailto:WayneR at STROSNIDERS.com]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 12:49 PM
To: 'Support'
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Easy way to remove a user w/o sending a
notification to them?


Go into membership management and uncheck all the checks for that user and
it will remove them from the list.  That is what I do.

Wayne

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Support [mailto:support at methlab.synth.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:43 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy way to remove a user w/o sending a
> notification to them?
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Anybody have any ideas on how to remove a user without
> sending them any sort
> of notification that they're being removed?  I sorta RTFM,
> but didn't find
> anything in there about it.  The only option I see that is
> vaguely correct
> is the "Send welcome message when people subscribe?" option in General
> Options.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Mon Dec 11 22:05:02 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe without password
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53A8@COM>

Hi,

Is there a way for users to unsubscribe without having to know their
password? 

I am getting ready to move a distribution list out of a freeware Mac only
solution called "MACjordomo" to mailman. Most of the people on my
announcement only style distribution list have juno accounts with no web
access. 

I would like for them to be able to unsubscribe just by sending an email
from their address without having to remember what their password is. If the
from address matches an address in the list then action will be taken and
the address will be removed. If not, no action will be taken. Unsubscribing
security is not that big of a deal

In addition, is their a way to set up a specific unsubscribe address like
mylist-unsub at mysites.com so users don't have to include any specific text in
the subject or body? Just sending to the above address from their subscribed
address will remove them.

James Sintz,
Webmaster
Ohio Historical Society
http://www.ohiohistory.org
http://www.ohiokids.org




From kskim at gmx.co.kr  Tue Dec 12 01:39:25 2000
From: kskim at gmx.co.kr (=?euc-kr?B?seix4ryu?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:39:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I have one question
Message-ID: <B1326C62DC03D41191CD0008C74C563C08BEFD@www.gmx.co.kr>


 I have one more question.
 that is,
 I want to use your 'Open SIP Stack'.
 but, I want to running your SIP stack in window NT.
 So I will porting your 'open source' for running in window NT.(If porting
is success, porting source is rinning window NT)
 So, I want receive Function and Class Explain Manual in detail.
 In addition to this information, I want receive Open Source' Config
Information.
After I have download the protocol and the read-me file, I read the inform
But Source file and read-me file could not infom to me .

 If you send to me this inform, I will appreciate.

 Thanks you.




From cht at ccil.org  Tue Dec 12 04:52:28 2000
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:52:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Easy way to remove a user w/o sending a notification to them?
In-Reply-To: <NDBBIFKIFDDNMOLMCJHPGEFMEAAA.support@methlab.synth.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001211224943.11544C-100000@locke.ccil.org>

In the membership section I have just removed the check in the subscribe
box in the first column or ceck nomail.  Also look to see if there is an
automatic message that goes out to the unsubscribed.

Del Thomas

Cite is no substitute for sight.

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Support wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Anybody have any ideas on how to remove a user without sending them any sort
> of notification that they're being removed?  I sorta RTFM, but didn't find
> anything in there about it.  The only option I see that is vaguely correct
> is the "Send welcome message when people subscribe?" option in General
> Options.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From rroberts at hoagie.org  Tue Dec 12 07:06:12 2000
From: rroberts at hoagie.org (Rick Roberts)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:06:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin only posting list
Message-ID: <01a201c06401$a58e86a0$fc0aa8c0@homenet.hoagie.org>

I know this has probably been asked a thousand times before, but I could find no way to search the archives, other than downloading the whole 21 mb archive.

But, how do I configure a list to be admin/owner posting only? In other words it automatically sends the user's posts only to the admin/owner and not to the rest of the list? Also an autoresponse stating that the list is closed to posting would be nice if that could be done also.

Thanks,
-Rick Roberts

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From rroberts at hoagie.org  Tue Dec 12 07:16:32 2000
From: rroberts at hoagie.org (Rick Roberts)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:16:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin only posting list
Message-ID: <01b401c06403$15a9c160$fc0aa8c0@homenet.hoagie.org>

I know this has probably been asked a thousand times before, but I could
find no way to search the archives, other than downloading the whole 21 mb
archive.

But, how do I configure a list to be admin/owner posting only? In other
words it automatically sends the user's posts only to the admin/owner and
not to the rest of the list and also sends an autoresponse stating that the
list is closed to posting.

Thanks,
-Rick Roberts




From esper at sherohman.org  Tue Dec 12 07:24:03 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:24:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin only posting list
In-Reply-To: <01b401c06403$15a9c160$fc0aa8c0@homenet.hoagie.org>; from rroberts@hoagie.org on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 01:16:32AM -0500
References: <01b401c06403$15a9c160$fc0aa8c0@homenet.hoagie.org>
Message-ID: <20001212002403.A19596@sherohman.org>

On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 01:16:32AM -0500, Rick Roberts wrote:
> But, how do I configure a list to be admin/owner posting only? In other
> words it automatically sends the user's posts only to the admin/owner and
> not to the rest of the list and also sends an autoresponse stating that the
> list is closed to posting.

"Privacy options", "Must posts be approved by an administrator?".  Set it to
"Yes".  For an autoresponse, look under "Auto-responder", presumably the
"Should Mailman send an auto-response to mailing list posters?" and
"Auto-response text to send to mailing list posters." options.

-- 
"Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist
"So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton
Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+
!K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+



From rroberts at hoagie.org  Tue Dec 12 07:54:37 2000
From: rroberts at hoagie.org (Rick Roberts)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 01:54:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin only posting list
References: <01b401c06403$15a9c160$fc0aa8c0@homenet.hoagie.org> <20001212002403.A19596@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <002f01c06408$677041e0$fc0aa8c0@homenet.hoagie.org>

Cool! It worked, thanks Dave.


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Sherohman <esper at sherohman.org>
To: Rick Roberts <rroberts at hoagie.org>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin only posting list


> On Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 01:16:32AM -0500, Rick Roberts wrote:
> > But, how do I configure a list to be admin/owner posting only? In other
> > words it automatically sends the user's posts only to the admin/owner
and
> > not to the rest of the list and also sends an autoresponse stating that
the
> > list is closed to posting.
>
> "Privacy options", "Must posts be approved by an administrator?".  Set it
to
> "Yes".  For an autoresponse, look under "Auto-responder", presumably the
> "Should Mailman send an auto-response to mailing list posters?" and
> "Auto-response text to send to mailing list posters." options.
>
> --
> "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist
> "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton
> Geek Code 3.1:  GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++>++++ E- W--(++) N+ o+
> !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI++++ D G e* h+ r y+
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From sysadmin at ocean.com.au  Tue Dec 12 08:05:03 2000
From: sysadmin at ocean.com.au (Jonathan Benson)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:05:03 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web admin interface crashing VERY BIZARRE!!
Message-ID: <3A35CE1F.9AA92EC6@ocean.com.au>

Hi all

I've just set up Mailman on a RedHat 7.0 server and am seeing something
VERY weird.

>From 2 other machines (including one that is almost identically configured to
mine) I can access the admin interface just fine.

>From my machine (a RedHat 7.0 workstation) I can even access it via
Telnet/Lynx but if I access it via Netscape (4.76) it crashes the admin script
and leaves stale locks behind that then means it's not available from any
machine.

The error I'm seeing in that Apache logs is:
[Tue Dec 12 17:54:38 2000] [error] [client 203.12.234.232] Premature end of
script headers: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

If anyone has any insight in to what the problem might be and how I'd go about
tracking it down your input would be most appreciated!


Thanks

Jon

--
Jonathan Benson
Systems Administrator
Ocean Internet
http://www.ocean.com.au/






From pascual at innova.ulpgc.es  Tue Dec 12 16:22:08 2000
From: pascual at innova.ulpgc.es (Pascual =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E1=F1ez=20Rodr=EDguez?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:22:08 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Host aliased
Message-ID: <3A3642A0.CFFB48C6@innova.ulpgc.es>

I've installed Mailman on a Linux RedHat v7 and all works fine. I've set
an alias for the host in order to use it as the name for the lists. It
appear fine in the web interface but  the reply-to addres that comes
with the messages of the mailing lists is always the real hostname.

I'm surelly missing something but I don't know what. 

Any help would be apretiated.

Pascual M??ez Rodr?guez

CICEI
Email: pascual at innova.ulpgc.es
Tlf  : +34 28 458605



From mmc at obispo.com  Tue Dec 12 20:02:23 2000
From: mmc at obispo.com (mmc)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:02:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving lists to OpenBSD (solution)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012121100430.21405-100000@marcus.obispo.com>

I recently ran into trouble moving a mailing list from a Red Hat Linux box
to OpenBSD.  The main problem was a permissions issue on one of the lock
files in /home/mailman/locks that was causing Mailman to sleep
indefinitely.  Here are the steps used to get things to work.  Thought
they might be helpful to someone....


Assume you have a list called "mylist".


1. First, archive the list on the old server:

   # su mailman
   # cd /home/mailman
   # tar cvs oldlist.tar archives/private/mylist \
                         archives/private/mylist.mbox \
                         lists/mylist

2. On the new server, unarchive the tar created above

   # su mailman
   # cd /home/mailman
   # tar xvf oldlist.tar

3. Use the move_list script to fix internal references up:

   # bin/move_list mylist

4. Use the check_perms script to fix any permission issues:

   * bin/check_perms -f


Once this is done, you should be able to access the admin login screen
for you list.  Login using the new server's site password.  You can
then scroll to the bottom of the the main admin screen and change the
password to the old list admin password.

At this point, you should be ready to go!






From eroper at ShopEaze.com  Tue Dec 12 20:47:13 2000
From: eroper at ShopEaze.com (Edward Roper)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:47:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hooks for external archivers
Message-ID: <20001212114713.A5384@ShopEaze.com>

Can someone point me to the documentation on utilizing the feature:

Automatic web-based Hypermail-style archiving, with hooks for external
archivers such as MHonArc. 

Thanks,
Edward Roper



From dgc at uchicago.edu  Wed Dec 13 00:54:13 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:54:13 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <p04330102b65acd4e8176@[17.216.27.234]>; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:29:06AM -0800
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL> <20001211121416.D17813@sherohman.org> <p04330102b65acd4e8176@[17.216.27.234]>
Message-ID: <20001212175413.L1405@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.12.11, in <p04330102b65acd4e8176@[17.216.27.234]>,
	"Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
> At 12:14 PM -0600 12/11/00, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> 
> >Philippe asked for "members cannot post".  To me, this means the mlm rejects
> >non-admin senders immediately and automatically.
> 
> you can attach the official posting address to a mailbot that does 
> that pretty easily, then post via a hidden address using Bcc. Trivial 
> to do...

... if you operate the list server.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From cappello at legato.com  Wed Dec 13 01:41:59 2000
From: cappello at legato.com (Carl Appellof)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:41:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
Message-ID: <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A6A@POULSBO.legato.com>

This doesn't seem to be in the FAQ, and I'll bet there's a simple way to do
it.

I have a class of messages sent to one of the lists I manage.  I classify
this class of messages as spam based on subject line.  I want to
automatically discard those messages without even having to review them.
Standard handling seems to always require a review by the list owner.

Surely there must be an automated way of discarding these messages without
waking me up?

Carl J. Appellof (mailto:cappello at legato.com)
Legato Systems, Inc. Seattle Lab
14335 NE 24th Street, Suite 200
Bellevue, WA 98007
Voice: (425)-653-7024
FAX:   (425)-653-7050





From mike at tristateweb.com  Wed Dec 13 02:13:59 2000
From: mike at tristateweb.com (Mike Rogers)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:13:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help / question
Message-ID: <3A368707.19591.F9EE0F@localhost>

First of all, I need help... I have the program setup and it seems to 
be working ok.  But when I send a message to my list 
maenews at mail.maenews.com for approval to be sent, I can go to 
the web and approve it to be sent, but It never seems to go out.

I get single messages, ie.  help messages and subscription 
confirmations, etc.... but nothing when I try to send a message.
I'm running redhat 7.0 with sendmail 8.9.3 (I believe).

I checked the mailman smtp log and it shows that it tried to send a 
message to 5 people, but I get nothing.

Any suggestions??? 

Also, I want to use this program to send out my newsletter, so it 
would be a closed list posted to only by me.  Is there an easier 
way to do that, other than just ignoring anyother post requests?
My list is about 100,000, what can I do performance wise to 
maximize sending time, etc..???

Thanks for any help!


----------

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 02:40:45 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:40:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <20001212175413.L1405@smack.uchicago.edu>
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL>
 <20001211121416.D17813@sherohman.org>
 <p04330102b65acd4e8176@[17.216.27.234]>
 <20001212175413.L1405@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330100b65c83ea4cc9@[17.216.27.247]>

At 5:54 PM -0600 12/12/00, David Champion wrote:

>  > you can attach the official posting address to a mailbot that does
>>  that pretty easily, then post via a hidden address using Bcc. Trivial
>>  to do...
>
>... if you operate the list server.

true, but if you think about it -- someone has to set up the list and 
put the aliases into a place where the MTA can access them. Doing 
this isn't significantly more work than that. If you don't have the 
cooperation of the person operating the lsit server, you won't get a 
list...

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From jburley at kuci.org  Wed Dec 13 02:55:39 2000
From: jburley at kuci.org (Joshua Burley)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:55:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin page not coming up
Message-ID: <20001213015540.A21701CC24@dinsdale.python.org>

Hi all,
	I've been running Mailman fine now on our box for some time without any
problems. It's a solaris machine running qmail and mailman 2.0rc2.

	I just added a fairly large list (around 100 subscribers), and was
admining it fine, saw some emails go through fine, and was nice and happy until
for some (no?) reason the admin page started to fail to come up. I can still
go to mailman/listinfo/listname fine, but when I try for mailman/admin/listname
the browser just sits there waiting for a reply.

	Any ideas?!

Thanks,
.josh

 Josh Burley
 josh at kuci.org
 "Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich."





From dgc at uchicago.edu  Wed Dec 13 03:54:03 2000
From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:54:03 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b65c83ea4cc9@[17.216.27.247]>; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Tue, Dec 12, 2000 at 05:40:45PM -0800
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL> <20001211121416.D17813@sherohman.org> <p04330102b65acd4e8176@[17.216.27.234]> <20001212175413.L1405@smack.uchicago.edu> <p04330100b65c83ea4cc9@[17.216.27.247]>
Message-ID: <20001212205403.M1405@smack.uchicago.edu>

On 2000.12.12, in <p04330100b65c83ea4cc9@[17.216.27.247]>,
	"Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com> wrote:
> 
> true, but if you think about it -- someone has to set up the list and 
> put the aliases into a place where the MTA can access them. Doing 
> this isn't significantly more work than that. If you don't have the 
> cooperation of the person operating the lsit server, you won't get a 
> list...

That's true in cases where the MTA (or the transport/delivery
assemblage) requires aliases to complete the Mailman integration.  I'm
looking forward to next month, when I won't have to worry about aliases
any more.

But as well, when you invoke this argument, you also bring in the need
for someone on the server's administrative staff to write or discover
the filter, and (in some or many cases) to add this to whatever
front-end software is involved in creating the list.  That's still a
potential administrative overhead that the "list administrator" doesn't
know anything about.  Perhaps not a heavy burden, but present.

I'm just arguing this to emphasize that I think that a
no-member-posting option is a reasonable wishlist item.  I think it's
fair to judge this the task of the MLM.

-- 
 -D.	dgc at uchicago.edu	NSIT	University of Chicago



From K.Artist at pcmuitgevers.nl  Wed Dec 13 07:34:34 2000
From: K.Artist at pcmuitgevers.nl (K.Artist at pcmuitgevers.nl)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:34:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I like to unsubscribe from the members list
Message-ID: <B99DBC0FD712D411A6BD00805FF574050858BB@pcs0239.pcm.nl>


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From ashley at pcraft.com  Wed Dec 13 08:50:10 2000
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:50:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts
Message-ID: <3A372A32.891FBAC8@pcraft.com>

    Can Mailman function correctly in a virtual host environment, or
better yet, in several vhosts?  Say I want to have lists.domainA.com,
lists.domainB.com, lists.domainC.com, (all on the same physical server,
running under the same physical Apache server as well), can Mailman
handle that in terms of having the right domain on outgoing emails?  Or
is this something where I need to go bury my head in a Sendmail book for
the next few weeks to figure out?

    AMK4

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 07:56:51 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:56:51 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <20001212205403.M1405@smack.uchicago.edu>
References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D086F@EMAIL>
 <20001211121416.D17813@sherohman.org>
 <p04330102b65acd4e8176@[17.216.27.234]>
 <20001212175413.L1405@smack.uchicago.edu>
 <p04330100b65c83ea4cc9@[17.216.27.247]>
 <20001212205403.M1405@smack.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <p04330101b65cce15bb61@[209.239.169.197]>

At 8:54 PM -0600 12/12/00, David Champion wrote:

>
>I'm just arguing this to emphasize that I think that a
>no-member-posting option is a reasonable wishlist item.

I agree -- but since there is a reasonable wrkaround, I'd mark it 
lower priority than I would if it were more difficult to do.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 08:35:13 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:35:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts
In-Reply-To: <3A372A32.891FBAC8@pcraft.com>
References: <3A372A32.891FBAC8@pcraft.com>
Message-ID: <p04330107b65cd6decbf5@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:50 PM -0800 12/12/00, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>     Can Mailman function correctly in a virtual host environment, or
>better yet, in several vhosts?

what I did was simply (well, it's not that difficult) run multiple 
instances of mailman, one on each vhost. I found trying to use the 
virtual hosting stuff in mailman 2.0 glitchy and it didn't allow my 
to weld my UI around it.

But if you look at www.plaidworks.com and www.hockeyfanz.com -- same 
computer, two mailman systems. Not all that tough to do, and the 
worst you need to bury yourself into with sendmail is the 
virtusertable file.

chuq
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From gdinwiddie at min.net  Wed Dec 13 14:46:18 2000
From: gdinwiddie at min.net (George Dinwiddie)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:46:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
In-Reply-To: <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A6A@POULSBO.legato.com> from "Carl Appellof" at Dec 12, 0 04:41:59 pm
Message-ID: <200012131346.IAA26165@min.net>

I'd say that's a job appropriate for procmail rather than the mailing
list manager.  Stopping spam is a never-ending quest.  I used to have
a pretty good set of procmail recipes (based mostly on malformed or
unusual headers) but they now catch only a small fraction of the spam.
The spammer are constantly mutating and your recipes have to follow.
This becomes more work than manually deleting the posts.

 - George

> Carl Appellof said:
> 
> I have a class of messages sent to one of the lists I manage.  I classify
> this class of messages as spam based on subject line.  I want to
> automatically discard those messages without even having to review them.
> Standard handling seems to always require a review by the list owner.

-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  George Dinwiddie                                  gdinwiddie at min.net
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From jw at w3internet.com  Wed Dec 13 15:32:51 2000
From: jw at w3internet.com (Jeff Warnica)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:32:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different archiver?
Message-ID: <IIEBLDMEINDOBBODINPNIELLCCAA.jw@w3internet.com>

Greetings all..

There is indication in the documentation that it is possible to use a
different archiver for mailman. At work, my predecessor had developed a
customized version of hypermail for a client, and had a mail alias to that |
subscribed to a list. Mailman directly archived the mail in its normal
fashion, and when the tweekedhypermail alias got mail, it did so as well.

Unfortunatly, this is working less well than it used to - something goes
wrong either with the alias or the tweekedarchiver itself. Id like to
eliminate possible points of failure as much as possible here, as much to
regain some sanity while I have the chance as for legitimate debugging
purposes.

So: Is it possible to have mailman use a different archiver, in parallel, on
a per list basis? How would one do such a thing?

FWIW, were currently running 2.0b6

--
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Network Operations Manager                             W3 Internet Services
Voice: (902) 425-2969 ext. 11                           Fax: (902) 425-2822




From m at whiteywillpay.net  Wed Dec 13 15:54:24 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:54:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customized welcome messages?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012130952430.5351-100000@qenni.pair.com>

Hello,

Is it possible for list managers to customize the welcome messages that
are sent out to list subsribers without them having login rights to the
machine itself?  As in, can it be done via the web interface?  I am not
talking about the ammending of the existing welcome message; I am talking
about totally replacing the welcome message with a copy of their own.
Thanks.

Matt Singerman
pair Networks
support at pairlist.net




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 16:48:41 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:48:41 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customized welcome messages?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012130952430.5351-100000@qenni.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012130952430.5351-100000@qenni.pair.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010ab65d4acf0c10@[209.239.169.197]>

>Is it possible for list managers to customize the welcome messages that
>are sent out to list subsribers without them having login rights to the
>machine itself?

no, not with 2.0

-- 
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 16:49:13 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:49:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different archiver?
In-Reply-To: <IIEBLDMEINDOBBODINPNIELLCCAA.jw@w3internet.com>
References: <IIEBLDMEINDOBBODINPNIELLCCAA.jw@w3internet.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010bb65d4adb0ee2@[209.239.169.197]>

>So: Is it possible to have mailman use a different archiver, in parallel, on
>a per list basis? How would one do such a thing?

sure. what I do is attach the archiver to an alias, and then 
subscribe it to the list.

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Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 16:51:53 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:51:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
In-Reply-To: <200012131346.IAA26165@min.net>
References: <200012131346.IAA26165@min.net>
Message-ID: <p0433010db65d4b43274b@[209.239.169.197]>

At 8:46 AM -0500 12/13/00, George Dinwiddie wrote:
>I'd say that's a job appropriate for procmail rather than the mailing
>list manager.

at one level, yes. At a practical level, no -- because that'd 
preclude someone from configuring it via the mailman web pages, and 
would require them to have shell access to the machine, and would 
require separate procmailrcs for every list on the machine (and to 
learn procmail). You don't want your admins jumping through all those 
hoops unless you absolutely have to.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 16:50:26 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:50:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
In-Reply-To: 
 <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A6A@POULSBO.legato.com>
References: <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A6A@POULSBO.legato.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010cb65d4b3022c6@[209.239.169.197]>

At 4:41 PM -0800 12/12/00, Carl Appellof wrote:

>Surely there must be an automated way of discarding these messages without
>waking me up?

not really, no. it's on the table for an upcoming release.
-- 
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From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com  Wed Dec 13 17:16:14 2000
From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "from" field - how can I change it?
Message-ID: <C1D6994907C0D411831D00B0D07318364E43@DNBLACKBERRY1>

First of all, please reply to my message directly as I am not a member of
the list right now, I can't go through the messages daily.

My Mailman machine is called xxx.domain.com but I have a DNS alias setup
called lists.domain.com.  I can send messages to test at lists.domain.com and
don't have a problem.  But, when I receive the message via Mailman it says
it is from "xxx.domain.com" instead of "lists.domain.com".  How can I change
this from field?  I have tried changing the Sendmail setup (masq.), but
haven't had any luck.

Also, if I was to change the view/html of the main Mailman page, where would
I find it?

Thanks!

robert meredith



From m at whiteywillpay.net  Wed Dec 13 17:16:46 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:16:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customized welcome messages?
In-Reply-To: <p0433010ab65d4acf0c10@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012131116010.7219-100000@qenni.pair.com>

Okay, thanks...  Is it safe to assume that this will eventually be added
in to some future version of Mailman?

Matt Singerman
pair Networks
support at pairlist.net

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

>
> >Is it possible for list managers to customize the welcome messages that
> >are sent out to list subsribers without them having login rights to the
> >machine itself?
>
> no, not with 2.0
>
> --
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
> We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.
>




From jcrey at uma.es  Wed Dec 13 17:49:41 2000
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:49:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
References: <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A6A@POULSBO.legato.com> <p0433010cb65d4b3022c6@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <3A37A8A5.17D96883@uma.es>

Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
> At 4:41 PM -0800 12/12/00, Carl Appellof wrote:
> 
> >Surely there must be an automated way of discarding these messages without
> >waking me up?
> 
> not really, no. it's on the table for an upcoming release.

And I will be glad to implement it :-)
War to spammers!

Cheers
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From darron at javelindigital.com  Wed Dec 13 18:02:35 2000
From: darron at javelindigital.com (Darron Froese)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:02:35 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] "from" field - how can I change it?
In-Reply-To: <C1D6994907C0D411831D00B0D07318364E43@DNBLACKBERRY1>
Message-ID: <B65CF9BB.8690%darron@javelindigital.com>

On 12/13/00 9:16 AM, "Meredith, Robert" <robert.meredith at neonsoft.com>
wrote:

> My Mailman machine is called xxx.domain.com but I have a DNS alias setup
> called lists.domain.com.  I can send messages to test at lists.domain.com and
> don't have a problem.  But, when I receive the message via Mailman it says
> it is from "xxx.domain.com" instead of "lists.domain.com".  How can I change
> this from field?  I have tried changing the Sendmail setup (masq.), but
> haven't had any luck.

1. You seem to have to have an A record for the domain in question that
points to the same IP address. A CNAME doesn't appear to work. When I was
working on this (on Monday for most of the day) - some mail servers would
report the actual domain name of the machine when I wanted them to use the
modified domain name for the list. (Other mail servers would report the name
that I wanted it to report.) An A record *instead* of a CNAME solved the
problem on multiple mail servers that I had access to.

2. At the bottom of the general options page in the administrative section
of the list there are two fields where you can set the "Hostname this list
prefers" and the "Base URL for Mailman web interface". These addresses are
used in all of the emails that are sent out from the mailing list.
--
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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 17:55:39 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:55:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] customized welcome messages?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012131116010.7219-100000@qenni.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012131116010.7219-100000@qenni.pair.com>
Message-ID: <p0433010eb65d5a6fb7fb@[209.239.169.197]>

At 11:16 AM -0500 12/13/00, Matt Singerman wrote:
>Okay, thanks...  Is it safe to assume that this will eventually be added
>in to some future version of Mailman?

we don't have a formal TODO list yet, but I think this is something 
that'll be on it when we do.

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From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Wed Dec 13 18:51:42 2000
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Debian user)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:51:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Issues installing Mailman
References: <C1D6994907C0D411831D00B0D07318364E43@DNBLACKBERRY1>
Message-ID: <3A37B72E.D306FDE6@opensourcedirectory.com>

I have been trying to get the silly thing up and running for quite a while
now...
and I was wondering if someone could help me out.

This is the message that I get when I do the make install

mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory
/usr/bin/ginstall: *.html: No such file or directory
mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory
/usr/bin/ginstall: *.txt: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [install] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/mailman/templates'
make: *** [install] Error 2

end of error... thats what I get ...

I tried to install Mailman on Slackware 7.1 and on Debian 2.2 and I get the
same
Error message on both platforms ... and with different versions of Mailman...
I would really appreciate the help thanks again ...

Jason McGillivray   - OSD SysAdmin/Programmer

Thanks...




From bille at server.spikes.net  Wed Dec 13 18:56:35 2000
From: bille at server.spikes.net (Bill Everhart)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:56:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman/eixm error
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012131247510.2633-100000@server.spikes.net>

hello,

I've installed Mailman with python V2.0 and exim. When testing the list I
attempt to confirm via email I get this everytime:


**********************
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  pleasework-request at spikes.net:
    Child process of list_request_transport transport returned 2 from
command: /local/mailman-test/mail/wrapper
*********************

This is what the list_request_transport looks like in the exim config
file:

list_request_transport:
           driver = pipe
           command = MAILMAN_WRAP mailcmd ${lc:$local_part}
           current_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           home_directory = MAILMAN_HOME
           user = MAILMAN_UID
           group = MAILMAN_GID

I have compiled Mailman with --with-username=mailman and
--with-groupname=mailman 

I have this in the exim config:

MAILMAN_UID=mailman
MAILMAN_GID=mailman

I've looked around list.org and read the FAQ and troubleshooting pages.
Did I miss something?

Bill Everhart




From bob at nleaudio.com  Wed Dec 13 19:33:02 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:33:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts
References: <3A372A32.891FBAC8@pcraft.com> <p04330107b65cd6decbf5@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <3A37C0DE.EF2FEECC@nleaudio.com>

Hi Chuq,

> what I did was simply (well, it's not that difficult) run multiple 
> instances of mailman, one on each vhost. I found trying to use the 
> virtual hosting stuff in mailman 2.0 glitchy and it didn't allow my 
> to weld my UI around it.

Do you mean you have multiple mailman installations in different directories, along with separate crontab entries and all?

Bob



From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 19:40:00 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:40:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts
In-Reply-To: <3A37C0DE.EF2FEECC@nleaudio.com>
References: <3A372A32.891FBAC8@pcraft.com>
 <p04330107b65cd6decbf5@[209.239.169.197]>
 <3A37C0DE.EF2FEECC@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <p04330103b65d72f959d8@[17.216.27.247]>

At 1:33 PM -0500 12/13/00, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:

>Do you mean you have multiple mailman installations in different 
>directories, along with separate crontab entries and all?

yes.

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From wrd at awenet.com  Wed Dec 13 19:51:56 2000
From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:51:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] vhosts
In-Reply-To: <p04330103b65d72f959d8@[17.216.27.247]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012131051030.40400-100000@localhost>

> >Do you mean you have multiple mailman installations in different 
> >directories, along with separate crontab entries and all?
> 
> yes.

I described how I went about it in a message in October:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-October/007022.html

-Bill


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From cappello at legato.com  Wed Dec 13 18:34:18 2000
From: cappello at legato.com (Carl Appellof)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:34:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
Message-ID: <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A73@POULSBO.legato.com>

> 
> At 8:46 AM -0500 12/13/00, George Dinwiddie wrote:
> >I'd say that's a job appropriate for procmail rather than the mailing
> >list manager.
>

Chuq Von Rospach replies:
 
> at one level, yes. At a practical level, no -- because that'd 
> preclude someone from configuring it via the mailman web pages, and 
> would require them to have shell access to the machine, and would 
> require separate procmailrcs for every list on the machine (and to 
> learn procmail). You don't want your admins jumping through all those 
> hoops unless you absolutely have to.
> 
> -- 

And Mailman already has a fine interface for setting up your spam filters
based on content.  In my case, the mail isn't reall "spam".  It's just mail
I'd prefer not to archive nor send to the mailing list.

	Carl




From cappello at legato.com  Wed Dec 13 18:31:27 2000
From: cappello at legato.com (Carl Appellof)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:31:27 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
Message-ID: <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A72@POULSBO.legato.com>

> 
> Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> > 
> > At 4:41 PM -0800 12/12/00, Carl Appellof wrote:
> > 
> > >Surely there must be an automated way of discarding these 
> messages without
> > >waking me up?
> > 
> > not really, no. it's on the table for an upcoming release.
> 

and Juan Carlos Rey Anaya replies:

> And I will be glad to implement it :-)
> War to spammers!
> 


Well, in my case, it isn't spammers creating the "spam".  We have a general
email alias for engineering that receives lots of interesting mail we want
to archive, but it also receives nightly "build succeeded" or "build failed"
messages that aren't worthy of archiving.  Sure, we could invent a new alias
for those messages, but that involves the IT department, which we all like
to avoid if possible.

	Carl




From jwblist at olympus.net  Wed Dec 13 20:14:53 2000
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:14:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
In-Reply-To: <p0433010db65d4b43274b@[209.239.169.197]>
References: <200012131346.IAA26165@min.net>
 <p0433010db65d4b43274b@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <p05010402b65d7a8a2e00@[207.149.192.229]>

At 7:51 -0800 12/13/00, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>At 8:46 AM -0500 12/13/00, George Dinwiddie wrote:
>>I'd say that's a job appropriate for procmail rather than the mailing
>>list manager.
>
>at one level, yes. At a practical level, no -- because that'd
>preclude someone from configuring it via the mailman web pages, and
>would require them to have shell access to the machine, and would
>require separate procmailrcs for every list on the machine (and to
>learn procmail). You don't want your admins jumping through all those
>hoops unless you absolutely have to.
>

Not to mention that mere mortals--even list admins--are very unlikely to
know anything about procmail and how to manage its amazingly arcane
"recipes," which when mismanaged tend to discard all mail.

  --John (who doesn't trust himself anywhere near procmail)
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From n6rej at tcsn.net  Wed Dec 13 20:16:18 2000
From: n6rej at tcsn.net (+N6REJ)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:16:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] does'nt work properly
Message-ID: <01d001c06539$2c90c400$4fa1ead1@bear>

Hello everyone.. I seem to be having a fit with mailman configuration
I have postfix installed and initially I set it up with mail id as mail and cgi as nobody.. but it complained that it wanted 99
so I changed it to postfix and nobody
still it complained the same
so now I did it as nobody and nobody and now it does'nt complain, but it does'nt send welcomes when a person confirms their sub.
What could be going on ?

Troy

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From mike at tristateweb.com  Wed Dec 13 20:26:08 2000
From: mike at tristateweb.com (Mike Rogers)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:26:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Mailing List Trouble
Message-ID: <3A378700.32317.9F9C68@localhost>

I've got a large (81,000) plus list that I want to get into a list 
manager.  I tried to import my names into Mailman and after about 
50,000 names, the web admin panel won't pull up any more?

The machine it's on is a 500Mhz. AmdK3 machine with 512MB of 
ram.  It's a dedicated machine used solely for sending out my 
newsletter.

Can someone help with performance for a large list???

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From raphaelc at squaretrade.com  Wed Dec 13 21:13:12 2000
From: raphaelc at squaretrade.com (Raphael Crawford-Marks)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:13:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] New Install of Mailman 2.0 not quite working
Message-ID: <NEBBLDCMMKNJICPCFDFOMEOMFEAA.raphaelc@squaretrade.com>

I've just installed Mailman 2.0 on Debian 2.2 running Exim and Apache.  The
web interface works fine, emails automatically generated by mailman go out
just fine, but postings to the lists fail with the following error:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. The following address(es) failed:

  test at user-error.net:
    Child process of list_transport transport returned 2 from command:
    /home/mailman/mail/wrapper





The install went smoothly and check_perms reported no problems after the
install.






Thanks,

Raphael




From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Wed Dec 13 21:37:38 2000
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 14 Dec 2000 01:37:38 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
Message-ID: <200012132037.PAA02342@storm.nando.net>

Hi everyone,

I am running mailman 2.0 beta-2 on a Dual PII 400 linux box with 384
megs of ram.
We have around 7 lists, all of which run at approximately different
times, and most of which are at 3,000 subscribers or less, except one
which has over 8,000.

It often takes 2 or 3 hours for the mailings to go out (even the smaller
ones).  I would like to increase performance, but i'm not really too
sure what to do.  I am running sendmail 8.9.3 (as included in RH 6.2).
Running a different MTA is not really much of an option (although not
completely out of the question), as noone here is trained in anything
except Sendmail, and especially not trained in moving a production
server over to a different MTA while it is in use.  I will be upgrading
to 2.0 final tomorrow, and I imagine that *might* help out a little.

I found a little nugget of joy on the mailman FAQ about disabling
synchronous DNS for messages originating from localhost, but have not
been able to figure out how to do that in Sendmail (its not in the
README.sendmail).  Could someone explain this to me, or point me in the
right direction?

Perhaps there is something else I am missing at the MTA level?  Maybe I
should run qrunner more often/less often than every thirty
minutes?  Anything else?

Thanks Much for all of your help.  If i recieve enough information, I
would be happy to write some documentation on increasing mailman
performance under this configuration (which is likely the most popular).

Neil Cooler
Unix Admin,
Nando Media
http://www.nandotimes.com 
http://www.nandomedia.com






From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 21:29:12 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
In-Reply-To: <p05010402b65d7a8a2e00@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <200012131346.IAA26165@min.net>
 <p0433010db65d4b43274b@[209.239.169.197]>
 <p05010402b65d7a8a2e00@[207.149.192.229]>
Message-ID: <p04330109b65d8c5d524b@[17.216.27.247]>

At 11:14 AM -0800 12/13/00, John W Baxter wrote:

>Not to mention that mere mortals--even list admins--are very unlikely to
>know anything about procmail and how to manage its amazingly arcane
>"recipes," which when mismanaged tend to discard all mail.

wanna hear about the time when I was on vacation (in Port Ludlow, in 
fact), and the person covering for me made a minor change to a 
procmail script and forwarded 8000 pieces of bounce mail from a work 
system to my personal mail address? (whimper)

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 21:29:55 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:29:55 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Large Mailing List Trouble
In-Reply-To: <3A378700.32317.9F9C68@localhost>
References: <3A378700.32317.9F9C68@localhost>
Message-ID: <p0433010ab65d8ca7639c@[17.216.27.247]>

At 2:26 PM -0500 12/13/00, Mike Rogers wrote:
>I've got a large (81,000) plus list that I want to get into a list
>manager.  I tried to import my names into Mailman and after about
>50,000 names, the web admin panel won't pull up any more?

I wouldn't try to install it via the web page. instead go to the 
shell and use add_members. that'll take a while, and the web pages 
are likely to time out on you.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 22:39:40 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:39:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <200012132037.PAA02342@storm.nando.net>
References: <200012132037.PAA02342@storm.nando.net>
Message-ID: <p0433010cb65d9c842200@[17.216.27.247]>

At 1:37 AM +0500 12/14/00, Neil Cooler wrote:

>It often takes 2 or 3 hours for the mailings to go out (even the smaller
>ones).  I would like to increase performance, but i'm not really too
>sure what to do.

make sure you have

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10

in your mm_cfg file, to split up deliveries into small pieces. 
Otherwise, each message goes out in one mail batch, and you 
single-thread each message, and everyone behind a slow receiver has 
to wait.

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From dj at pcisys.net  Wed Dec 13 23:34:30 2000
From: dj at pcisys.net (D.J. Atkinson)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:34:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <p0433010cb65d9c842200@[17.216.27.247]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012131455360.22660-100000@babu.pcisys.net>

>>It often takes 2 or 3 hours for the mailings to go out (even the smaller
>>ones).  I would like to increase performance, but i'm not really too
>>sure what to do.
>
>make sure you have
>SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10
>
>in your mm_cfg file, to split up deliveries into small pieces. 
>Otherwise, each message goes out in one mail batch, and you 
>single-thread each message, and everyone behind a slow receiver has 
>to wait.

I've experienced similar issues to Neil, but it's usually only 1-3
addresses causing the problem, so I don't think this solution would help
me.  [BTW I'm using Mailman 2.0 w/ Sendmail on Solaris 2.7]

I posted a message over the weekend where I saw qrunner only processing
part of the queue.  It turned out that there were three messages in the
queue with 3 unresolvable names each.  (3 messages to the same list)  
Each of these queued files took 400 seconds to time out, by which time, we
were past the default max qrunner process length (15 minutes), and qrunner
exited.

I've of course now increased the process length to 30 minutes, and
everything seems to be OK.  But that's only temporary, I'm sure.  As list
volume builds, it will become a problem again.  It would be great if there
were a more graceful way of dealing with this than currently exists.

If it's possible to do it with sendmail, desynchronizing DNS lookups would
be one way.  [Back to Neil's question: Any body have any idea if/how to do
this?] Another thought, that could help in my particular situation, is for
qrunner to keep a record of what names have failed DNS lookup and only
check those once during a given qrunner batch job.  This may not be
feasible, depending on the software architecture.

Any other thoughts on dealing with DNS lookup delays?

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Wed Dec 13 23:49:05 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:49:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012131455360.22660-100000@babu.pcisys.net>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012131455360.22660-100000@babu.pcisys.net>
Message-ID: <p04330115b65dad01fc70@[17.216.27.247]>

At 3:34 PM -0700 12/13/00, D.J. Atkinson wrote:
>  >>It often takes 2 or 3 hours for the mailings to go out (even the smaller
>>>ones).  I would like to increase performance, but i'm not really too
>>>sure what to do.
>>
>>make sure you have
>  >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10



>I've experienced similar issues to Neil, but it's usually only 1-3
>addresses causing the problem,

right. And if you don't tweak smtp_max_rcpts, those slow addresses 
force everyone delivered AFTER them to be held up. smpt_max-rcpts 
breaks teh delivery into many small batches, so any single slow 
address doesn't impact the entire delivery. If you don't change this 
value, every slow or down machine will kill your delivery. Until you 
do, nothing else you tweak will make much difference.

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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Dec 14 00:53:14 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:53:14 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from "D.J. Atkinson" <dj@pcisys.net> 
   of "Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:34:30 MST." <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012131455360.22660-100000@babu.pcisys.net> 
References: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012131455360.22660-100000@babu.pcisys.net> 
Message-ID: <27104.976751594@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:34:30 -0700 (MST) 
D J Atkinson <dj at pcisys.net> wrote:

> If it's possible to do it with sendmail, desynchronizing DNS
> lookups would be one way.  [Back to Neil's question: Any body have
> any idea if/how to do this?] Another thought, that could help in
> my particular situation, is for qrunner to keep a record of what
> names have failed DNS lookup and only check those once during a
> given qrunner batch job.  This may not be feasible, depending on
> the software architecture.

There are some small points, such as you should be running a local
cacheing DNS server (I use DJBDNS, but BIND can do this as well).
After that, the point of diminishing returns starts becoming
apparent.  You can fix, patch, and tweak sendmail, but the question
of whether its really worth it any more becomes significant.

In the end you are going to move to a different MTA.  Depending on
the general expertise of your local SysAdms, I'd recommend Exim or
Postfix (Exim has some nice admin and monitoring tools that postfix
doesn't have yet, and has a very well documented and explained human
readableconfig file, Postfix is easier to setup and seems to perform
slightly better with default configurations, but requires more savvy
to tweak).

What to do about the posts sitting in your sendmail queue when you
do that?  Setup a second box to smarthost for your current sendmail
system.  Reconfigure sendmail on your first system to send all
outbound mail through that new box.  Let it run for a bit, and all
the outbound mail under sendmail should drain to the new smarthost.
Now install a new MTA on your list server, and let the smarthost run
until all its mail drains out.  You can then recommission the
smarthost.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Dec 14 01:01:32 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:01:32 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <27104.976751594@kanga.nu>
References: 
 <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012131455360.22660-100000@babu.pcisys.net>
 <27104.976751594@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <p04330117b65dbdf2f8d7@[17.216.27.247]>

At 3:53 PM -0800 12/13/00, J C Lawrence wrote:

>There are some small points, such as you should be running a local
>cacheing DNS server (I use DJBDNS, but BIND can do this as well).

This is a HUGE improvement. Even if your local machine is loaded, 
it's faster tahn a dedicated DNS machine next door, because 
relatively speaking, network is slow here.

>What to do about the posts sitting in your sendmail queue when you
>do that?


or, just sit it aside, and run a "sendmail -q5m" on the moved 
directory until everything times out and is empty.

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From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Thu Dec 14 02:40:16 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:40:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <200012132037.PAA02342@storm.nando.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012131739120.1584-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On 14 Dec 2000, Neil Cooler wrote:
> I found a little nugget of joy on the mailman FAQ about disabling
> synchronous DNS for messages originating from localhost, but have not
> been able to figure out how to do that in Sendmail (its not in the
> README.sendmail).

Use a sendmail invocation with -ODeliveryMode=d or -odd on the command
line.
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From scott-brown at home.com  Thu Dec 14 03:38:02 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I tell WHY sendmail is refusing posts from/via mailman?
Message-ID: <003e01c06576$e1dd58e0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

PLEASE help me out - I'm running mailman 2.0 on a RH 5.2 system, using
sendmail 8.8.5... and this is my last problem to figure out....

All the pieces of mailman are in place, the cron entries are running, all
the uid's and gid's match, and the webside of things works just peachy.

Mailman will receive posts (the /home/mailman/logs/SMTP  file shows them
being received).  The qfiles directory holds them for a bit, and then
qrunner starts up and attempts to send them.

But it doenst send successfully.

I dont believe this is anything to do with mailman itself - it is trying to
inject the mail message through sendmail - but sendmail is barfing on it....

my /var/log/maillog file show:

Dec 13 21:33:01 apollo sendmail[13821]: VAA13821: <scott-brown at home.com>...
relay attempt failed
Dec 13 21:33:01 apollo sendmail[13821]: Ruleset check_rcpt
(<scott-brown at home.com>) rejection: 550 <scott-brown at home.com>... relay
attempt failed
Dec 13 21:33:01 apollo sendmail[13821]: VAA13821:
from=<test-admin at host-ops.com>, size=1670, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0,
proto=ESMTP, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]

Can someone give me an idea as to what I need to do to get sendmail to
accept these messages?




From reb at taco.com  Thu Dec 14 03:59:41 2000
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 21:59:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone imported SmartList archives into Pipermail?
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001213215701.01dd7b68@taco.com>

Hi!

I'm in the process of switching from SmartList to Mailman and I have a
*boatload* of archives that I'd like to convert so they can be perused
via Pipermail. I'm sure this has been done before so I figured I'd ask
before reinventing the wheel.

Failing a direct solution, what exactly does Pipermail use to construct
the archives? I have all the individual messages I want archived.

Suggestions cheerfully accepted! I'm using Mailman 2.0 by the way...

reb




From matt at mattd.org  Thu Dec 14 04:16:17 2000
From: matt at mattd.org (Matthew Dickinson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:16:17 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
References: <200012132037.PAA02342@storm.nando.net> <p0433010cb65d9c842200@[17.216.27.247]>
Message-ID: <004301c0657c$396e64a0$0100a8a8@mattpc>

is 10 the ideal value? or just a guess-timate? would a value of 5 make it
even more efficient?

Matt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuq Von Rospach" <chuqui at plaidworks.com>
To: "Neil Cooler" <ncooler at nandomedia.com>; <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists


At 1:37 AM +0500 12/14/00, Neil Cooler wrote:

>It often takes 2 or 3 hours for the mailings to go out (even the smaller
>ones).  I would like to increase performance, but i'm not really too
>sure what to do.

make sure you have

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10

in your mm_cfg file, to split up deliveries into small pieces.
Otherwise, each message goes out in one mail batch, and you
single-thread each message, and everyone behind a slow receiver has
to wait.

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From cht at ccil.org  Thu Dec 14 05:50:17 2000
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:50:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <p04330101b65cce15bb61@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001213234928.24886B-100000@locke.ccil.org>

I thought that there was a non member posting option in the admin section

Del Thomas

Cite is no substitute for sight.

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

> At 8:54 PM -0600 12/12/00, David Champion wrote:
> 
> >
> >I'm just arguing this to emphasize that I think that a
> >no-member-posting option is a reasonable wishlist item.
> 
> I agree -- but since there is a reasonable wrkaround, I'd mark it 
> lower priority than I would if it were more difficult to do.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 




From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Dec 14 04:38:19 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:38:19 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Matthew Dickinson" <matt@mattd.org> 
   of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:16:17 GMT." <004301c0657c$396e64a0$0100a8a8@mattpc> 
References: <200012132037.PAA02342@storm.nando.net> <p0433010cb65d9c842200@[17.216.27.247]>  <004301c0657c$396e64a0$0100a8a8@mattpc> 
Message-ID: <14911.976765099@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 03:16:17 -0000 
Matthew Dickinson <matt at mattd.org> wrote:

> is 10 the ideal value? or just a guess-timate? would a value of 5
> make it even more efficient?

The goal is to chose a value small enough to attempt to minimise
contention with MTA spool files.  There's a balance between disk IO
and space overhead, and MTA performance.  Its a multi-variable
equation.  The optimal value is going to depend on your system,
choice of MTA, your list membership distribution, behaviour of other
MXes, and system resources.

I use 5 on some systems, 10 on others.  I pick purely based on the
physical resources of the systems themselves (smaller on systems
with bigger spools).

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Dec 14 05:37:36 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:37:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I tell WHY sendmail is refusing
 posts from/via mailman?
In-Reply-To: <003e01c06576$e1dd58e0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
References: <003e01c06576$e1dd58e0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <p04330103b65dfecdef99@[209.239.169.197]>

At 9:38 PM -0500 12/13/00, Scott Brown wrote:
>PLEASE help me out - I'm running mailman 2.0 on a RH 5.2 system, using
>sendmail 8.8.5... and this is my last problem to figure out....



>Can someone give me an idea as to what I need to do to get sendmail to
>accept these messages?

First, upgrade to a modern version of sendmail. 8.8.5 is ancient, 
full of security holes, and easily abused by spammers. For your own 
sake, don't run that version, upgrade to at least 8.9.3. Anthing 
older is a buggy timebomb.

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From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Dec 14 05:46:07 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:46:07 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <004301c0657c$396e64a0$0100a8a8@mattpc>
References: <200012132037.PAA02342@storm.nando.net>
 <p0433010cb65d9c842200@[17.216.27.247]>
 <004301c0657c$396e64a0$0100a8a8@mattpc>
Message-ID: <p04330105b65e00574c19@[209.239.169.197]>

At 3:16 AM +0000 12/14/00, Matthew Dickinson wrote:
>is 10 the ideal value? or just a guess-timate? would a value of 5 make it
>even more efficient?

I think from a practical standpoint there's little difference between 
5 and 10. The chances of a slow user delaying users goes down, as 
does the number of users they affect -- but even if they're the first 
delivery attempt, the delay is still fairly minor, and you're adding 
to the MTA load in number of queues to deal with, which can cause 
tghrashing in your mail queues. It also decreases the ability to 
leverage a connection to the remote site, adding to your network 
volume IF you have lots of users to the same site (like AOL). If 
they're spread around a lot, that doesn't matter.

So the asnwer is "it depends". The optimal number is 1, but maximizes 
the imapct on the MTA, and unless you're customizing email per-user 
or VERPing, 1 is overkill.

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From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Thu Dec 14 06:55:25 2000
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
References: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012131739120.1584-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <005601c06592$74706f10$7d351a42@kneel>

What is the best way to do this?

I just edited /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail to look like this: daemon
/usr/sbin/sendmail $([ "$DAEMON" = yes ] && echo -bd -ODeliveryMode
=d) \

Is this good?

--Neil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG>
To: "Neil Cooler" <ncooler at nandomedia.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists


> On 14 Dec 2000, Neil Cooler wrote:
> > I found a little nugget of joy on the mailman FAQ about disabling
> > synchronous DNS for messages originating from localhost, but have not
> > been able to figure out how to do that in Sendmail (its not in the
> > README.sendmail).
>
> Use a sendmail invocation with -ODeliveryMode=d or -odd on the command
> line.
> --
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> "There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul
Rudnick
>
>




From schnippel at forumone.com  Thu Dec 14 16:35:02 2000
From: schnippel at forumone.com (Greg Schnippel)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:35:02 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extra headers in Mailman 2.0?
Message-ID: <AFD7CFC52B58014B9C0BFAF32EAB48EF344109@PLUTO.forumone.com>

Hello -

I set up Mailman for a client and when I recently upgraded from Mailman
2.05beta to 2.0 they immediately noticed that there were these 6 extra
headers which is '6 too many' for them. 

I can't explain why this is a problem for them but I am hoping 
that someone can explain how I go about turning these off.. ?

>List-Help: <mailto:list-request at domain.org?subject=help>
>List-Post: <mailto:list at domain.org>
>List-Subscribe: <http://www.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/list>,
>	<mailto:list-request at domain.org?subject=subscribe>
>List-Id: list For testing messages before posting to JN News
<list.domain.org>
>List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/list>,
>	<mailto:list-request at domain.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>List-Archive: <http://www.domain.org/pipermail/list/>

Regards,

Greg Schnippel

Forum One Communications
http://www.forumone.com/consult/





From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Dec 14 16:39:33 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 07:39:33 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Extra headers in Mailman 2.0?
In-Reply-To: 
 <AFD7CFC52B58014B9C0BFAF32EAB48EF344109@PLUTO.forumone.com>
References: <AFD7CFC52B58014B9C0BFAF32EAB48EF344109@PLUTO.forumone.com>
Message-ID: <p04330119b65e9a116c8b@[209.239.169.197]>

Check the archives for this list,w e just had this discussion, and I 
explained in detail why they're there and why you don't want to touch 
them. They're part of a recently adopted RFC. You wnat them.


At 10:35 AM -0500 12/14/00, Greg Schnippel wrote:
>Hello -
>
>I set up Mailman for a client and when I recently upgraded from Mailman
>2.05beta to 2.0 they immediately noticed that there were these 6 extra
>headers which is '6 too many' for them.
>
>I can't explain why this is a problem for them but I am hoping
>that someone can explain how I go about turning these off.. ?
>
>>List-Help: <mailto:list-request at domain.org?subject=help>
>>List-Post: <mailto:list at domain.org>
>>List-Subscribe: <http://www.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/list>,
>>	<mailto:list-request at domain.org?subject=subscribe>
>>List-Id: list For testing messages before posting to JN News
><list.domain.org>
>>List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/list>,
>>	<mailto:list-request at domain.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>>List-Archive: <http://www.domain.org/pipermail/list/>
>
>Regards,
>
>Greg Schnippel
>
>Forum One Communications
>http://www.forumone.com/consult/
>
>
>
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From dj at pcisys.net  Thu Dec 14 16:54:37 2000
From: dj at pcisys.net (D.J. Atkinson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 08:54:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists 
In-Reply-To: <27104.976751594@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012140852110.6713-100000@babu.pcisys.net>

>> If it's possible to do it with sendmail, desynchronizing DNS
>> lookups would be one way.  [Back to Neil's question: Any body have
>> any idea if/how to do this?] Another thought, that could help in
>> my particular situation, is for qrunner to keep a record of what
>> names have failed DNS lookup and only check those once during a
>> given qrunner batch job.  This may not be feasible, depending on
>> the software architecture.
>
>What to do about the posts sitting in your sendmail queue when you
>do that?  Setup a second box to smarthost for your current sendmail
>system.  Reconfigure sendmail on your first system to send all
>outbound mail through that new box.  Let it run for a bit, and all
>the outbound mail under sendmail should drain to the new smarthost.
>Now install a new MTA on your list server, and let the smarthost run
>until all its mail drains out.  You can then recommission the
>smarthost.

Actually, the sendmail queue is fine.  It's getting things from the
mailman queue into the sendmail queue where the delays are happening.
That's using the SMTPDirect mailman delivery method.

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From STrevino at sharonview.org  Thu Dec 14 16:56:20 2000
From: STrevino at sharonview.org (Suzie Trevino)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman
Message-ID: <2BCF3D84E20AD311B53A0008C7FA337E4BA44C@mail.sharonview.org>

I am currently looking for a list manager for the company I work for.  This
list manager will basically be used for email marketing to our members.  I
wanted a program that would have the opt-in and opt-out feature where the
member can sign up for it, or be signed up for it.  If they don't like it,
they can leave.  I also want a program that will allow us to drop the
considerable number of email addresses we currently have into it with little
difficulty.  Is this something that Mailman can provide?  Thank you.
 
Suzie Trevino
Marketing Assistant
Sharonview Federal Credit Union
Corporate Office
Phone: (704) 969-6787
Fax: (704) 969-6721
email: strevino at sharonview.org
 
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From dj at pcisys.net  Thu Dec 14 18:12:16 2000
From: dj at pcisys.net (D.J. Atkinson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:12:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <p04330115b65dad01fc70@[17.216.27.247]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012141006190.7784-100000@babu.pcisys.net>

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

>>>make sure you have
>>  >SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10
>>I've experienced similar issues to Neil, but it's usually only 1-3
>>addresses causing the problem,
>right. And if you don't tweak smtp_max_rcpts, those slow addresses 
>force everyone delivered AFTER them to be held up. smpt_max-rcpts 
>breaks teh delivery into many small batches, so any single slow 
>address doesn't impact the entire delivery. If you don't change this 
>value, every slow or down machine will kill your delivery. Until you 
>do, nothing else you tweak will make much difference.

After reading some of the other posts, I think maybe I miscommunicated my
problem, and maybe it's not quite like Neil's after all.

My probem is getting things from Mailman's qrunner into the sendmail queue
using the SMTPDirect module because sendmail takes up to 160 seconds per
name to reject names being fed to it from qrunner that it can't lookup.

[If it were a problem after it got to sendmail, I probably would have
chosen a sendmail specific forum to deal with it, so as not to drag this 
list off topic.]

Sorry for any confusion.

DJ

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From corey at rocketnetwork.com  Thu Dec 14 18:15:15 2000
From: corey at rocketnetwork.com (Corey Head)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:15:15 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug message
Message-ID: <JBEJKHNKLEBCNEFABOMLIEPHCCAA.corey@rocketnetwork.com>

Hi--
I keep getting the following message when trying to discard or reject some spam.  How can I get around this problem?

Thanks!
Corey

Bug in Mailman version 1.0b10 - RRS

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "../Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 124, in main
    HandleRequests(doc)
  File "../Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 216, in HandleRequests
    list.HandleRequest(request, v, '', form[msg_key].value)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
    self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment, body)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 168, in HandlePostRequest
    self.LogMsg("vette", note)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 729, in LogMsg
    logf.write("%s\n" % (msg % args))
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Environment variables:
Variable Value 
DOCUMENT_ROOT  /usr/local/apache/htdocs  
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING  gzip, deflate  
CONTENT_LENGTH  3263  
CONTENT_TYPE  application/x-www-form-urlencoded  
PATH_TRANSLATED  /usr/local/apache/htdocs/macos-list  
REMOTE_ADDR  216.15.33.162  
SERVER_PROTOCOL  HTTP/1.1  
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE  en-us  
GATEWAY_INTERFACE  CGI/1.1  
SERVER_PORT  80  
HTTP_CONNECTION  Keep-Alive  
HTTP_USER_AGENT  Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)  
QUERY_STRING   
HTTP_ACCEPT  image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/pdf, */*  
REQUEST_URI  /mailman/admindb/macos-list  
PATH  /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin  
HTTP_EXTENSION  Security/Remote-Passphrase  
SCRIPT_FILENAME  /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb  
PATH_INFO  /macos-list  
HTTP_HOST  lists.resrocket.com  
REQUEST_METHOD  POST  
SERVER_SIGNATURE  Apache/1.3.6 Server at lists-new.resrocket.com Port 80 
SCRIPT_NAME  /mailman/admindb  
SERVER_ADMIN  root at resrocket.com  
SERVER_SOFTWARE  Apache/1.3.6 (Unix)  
PYTHONPATH  /home/mailman  
HTTP_COOKIE  macos-list-admin=-1374715126  
SERVER_NAME  lists-new.resrocket.com  
REMOTE_PORT  1375  
HTTP_REFERER  http://lists.resrocket.com/mailman/admindb/macos-list  


Corey Head, IS Technical Specialist
Rocket Network, Inc.
415/538-0123 xt. 1869

From ronphelps at centralva.net  Thu Dec 14 18:32:40 2000
From: ronphelps at centralva.net (ron phelps)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:32:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] installers?
References: <20001214170112.65F9FE8F1@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A390438.C4C880A2@centralva.net>

hey gang..
well, i tried putting in mailman
to no avail
are there some installers on this list
and what's the charge if so..


ron
ronphelps at centralva.net




From chuqui at plaidworks.com  Thu Dec 14 18:48:25 2000
From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:48:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012141006190.7784-100000@babu.pcisys.net>
References: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012141006190.7784-100000@babu.pcisys.net>
Message-ID: <p04330100b65eb6f130c9@[209.239.169.197]>

At 10:12 AM -0700 12/14/00, D.J. Atkinson wrote:

>My probem is getting things from Mailman's qrunner into the sendmail queue
>using the SMTPDirect module because sendmail takes up to 160 seconds per
>name to reject names being fed to it from qrunner that it can't lookup.

Try setting

	O DeliveryMode=defer

in your sendmail.cf. That causes sendmail to accept the mail without 
making a DNS lookup on it first. Note that this also implies 
DeliveryMode=queue, so stuff won't be delivered immediately. That 
means (if you already aren't) that you need to do queue runs 
aggressively using -q.

On the other hand, I've found it's usually a good idea on a 
mail-liser server box to user DeliveryMode=queue, a -q1m and use 
MaxDaemonChildren to rate-limit sendmail. By tuning using the 
multiple subdirectories sendmail 8.10 and later support, you can ramp 
up delivery really quickly and not overload the system with burst 
loads.

I'm just starting to experiment with defer (I've been meaning to for 
a while, but things were going okay without it...), and so far, it 
looks like a nice plus. It definitely speeds up MLM->MTA transfers.

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From dj at pcisys.net  Thu Dec 14 18:58:46 2000
From: dj at pcisys.net (D.J. Atkinson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:58:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <p04330100b65eb6f130c9@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.05.10012141054280.7784-100000@babu.pcisys.net>

Cool!  Thanks!  I'll discuss this with my other sysadmins and see if that
will cause any problems with anything they have going on.

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:

>At 10:12 AM -0700 12/14/00, D.J. Atkinson wrote:
>
>>My probem is getting things from Mailman's qrunner into the sendmail queue
>>using the SMTPDirect module because sendmail takes up to 160 seconds per
>>name to reject names being fed to it from qrunner that it can't lookup.
>
>Try setting
>
>	O DeliveryMode=defer
>
>in your sendmail.cf. That causes sendmail to accept the mail without 
>making a DNS lookup on it first. Note that this also implies 
>DeliveryMode=queue, so stuff won't be delivered immediately. That 
>means (if you already aren't) that you need to do queue runs 
>aggressively using -q.
>
>On the other hand, I've found it's usually a good idea on a 
>mail-liser server box to user DeliveryMode=queue, a -q1m and use 
>MaxDaemonChildren to rate-limit sendmail. By tuning using the 
>multiple subdirectories sendmail 8.10 and later support, you can ramp 
>up delivery really quickly and not overload the system with burst 
>loads.
>
>I'm just starting to experiment with defer (I've been meaning to for 
>a while, but things were going okay without it...), and so far, it 
>looks like a nice plus. It definitely speeds up MLM->MTA transfers.
>
>-- 
>Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
>Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
>
>We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.
>
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From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Dec 14 21:10:01 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:10:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 
In-Reply-To: Message from Suzie Trevino <STrevino@sharonview.org> 
   of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:56:20 EST." <2BCF3D84E20AD311B53A0008C7FA337E4BA44C@mail.sharonview.org> 
References: <2BCF3D84E20AD311B53A0008C7FA337E4BA44C@mail.sharonview.org> 
Message-ID: <6597.976824601@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:56:20 -0500 
Suzie Trevino <STrevino at sharonview.org> wrote:

> Is this something that Mailman can provide?  

Yes.

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From gdinwiddie at min.net  Thu Dec 14 21:30:56 2000
From: gdinwiddie at min.net (George Dinwiddie)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:30:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
In-Reply-To: <p05010402b65d7a8a2e00@[207.149.192.229]> from "John W Baxter" at Dec 13, 0 11:14:53 am
Message-ID: <200012142030.PAA28455@min.net>

Certainly procmail recipes are not easy to write (or read).  [aside:
I find it tends to requeue mail rather than discard it when I goof.]
If the idea is to provide an easy and robust interface, I'd like to
request the same for the message headers and footers.  You may recall
my problems when I innocently put a '%' in a header.  It would be
nice if Mailman sanitized what was entered through the web interface
so that it didn't crash all mail delivery, even if the output wasn't
what the user expected.

 - George (who trusts himself, in spite of past experiences)

> John W Baxter said:
> 
> At 7:51 -0800 12/13/00, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> >At 8:46 AM -0500 12/13/00, George Dinwiddie wrote:
> >>I'd say that's a job appropriate for procmail rather than the mailing
> >>list manager.
> >
> >at one level, yes. At a practical level, no -- because that'd
> >preclude someone from configuring it via the mailman web pages, and
> >would require them to have shell access to the machine, and would
> >require separate procmailrcs for every list on the machine (and to
> >learn procmail). You don't want your admins jumping through all those
> >hoops unless you absolutely have to.
> >
> 
> Not to mention that mere mortals--even list admins--are very unlikely to
> know anything about procmail and how to manage its amazingly arcane
> "recipes," which when mismanaged tend to discard all mail.
> 
>   --John (who doesn't trust himself anywhere near procmail)

-- 
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  George Dinwiddie                                  gdinwiddie at min.net
  The gods do not deduct from man's allotted span those hours spent in
  sailing.                         NEW URL => http://www.Alberg30.org/
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------




From lrobin at microtec.net  Thu Dec 14 22:06:58 2000
From: lrobin at microtec.net (Rawbyn, Fragile Beauty)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:06:58 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!  big problem
Message-ID: <200012142104.eBEL4JP04904@everest.globetrotter.net>

can you please tell me why i've gotten 54 copies of HLL digest 176 since 3
pm and i unsubcribed and i'm still getting them. it is now 4:06 and there's
not sign of stopping
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rawbyn says: Bullies suck
"i wanna grow up, wanna be, a big rock 'n' roll star, i wanna
grow up, i wanna be, so no one fucks with me...yeah" MM


http://www.microtec.net/~jared  
ICQ: 33877032



From satish at tummala.net  Thu Dec 14 22:51:39 2000
From: satish at tummala.net (Satish Tummala)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:51:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virus cleanup.  How?
Message-ID: <HFELJDNAGAPEFEOHNCLACEKMCFAA.satish@tummala.net>

I believe that there may be a virus in our mailing list on Pair Networks.
How/what program can I use to clean it all up?

Satish




From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec 14 23:12:18 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 14:12:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] virus cleanup.  How?
In-Reply-To: <HFELJDNAGAPEFEOHNCLACEKMCFAA.satish@tummala.net>; from satish@tummala.net on Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 04:51:39PM -0500
References: <HFELJDNAGAPEFEOHNCLACEKMCFAA.satish@tummala.net>
Message-ID: <20001214141218.C18209@marc.merlins.org>

On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 04:51:39PM -0500, Satish Tummala wrote:
> I believe that there may be a virus in our mailing list on Pair Networks.
> How/what program can I use to clean it all up?

Let me write one for you:
echo "Don't use windows, and certainly not outlook if you care about viruses"

You can post that to your lists, and it should run in a dos box.

Don't thank me, glad to help ;-)
Marc

PS: In case you didn't get it, this has *nothing* to do with mailman
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Thu Dec 14 23:38:57 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command addresses
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53BF@COM>

Is there a way for users to unsubscribe without having to know their
password? 

I would like for subscribers to be able to unsubscribe just by sending an
email
from their address without having to remember what their password is. If the
from address matches an address in the list then action will be taken and
the address will be removed. If not, no action will be taken. Unsubscribing
security is not that big of a deal.

In addition, is their a way to set up a specific unsubscribe address like
mylist-unsub at mysites.com so users don't have to include any specific text in
the subject or body? Just sending to the above address from their subscribed
address will remove them.

Thanks!!

Jamey



From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec 15 00:07:02 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:07:02 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command addresses 
In-Reply-To: Message from James Sintz <jsintz@ohiohistory.org> 
   of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:57 EST." <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53BF@COM> 
References: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53BF@COM> 
Message-ID: <23111.976835222@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:57 -0500 
James Sintz <jsintz at ohiohistory.org> wrote:

> Is there a way for users to unsubscribe without having to know
> their password?

Not currently.  It would be fairly simple to wrap a script around
~/bin/remove_member and hang that off an alias however.

> In addition, is their a way to set up a specific unsubscribe
> address like mylist-unsub at mysites.com so users don't have to
> include any specific text in the subject or body? Just sending to
> the above address from their subscribed address will remove them.

Not currently, however, see the above response on a way of doing
this.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From CWIELAND at uci.edu  Fri Dec 15 00:07:55 2000
From: CWIELAND at uci.edu (Con WIELAND)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:07:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscribers
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012141507080.20254-100000@mothra.nts.uci.edu>

Hello

I may have missed this but I'm new to mailman and have set up a list at
our site to try. My
question is there a way of adding subscribers in a bulk format other than
cut and paste on
the web page?

Thanks for any help

Con Wieland
UC Irvine




From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Fri Dec 15 00:20:55 2000
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 15 Dec 2000 04:20:55 +0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscribers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012141507080.20254-100000@mothra.nts.uci.edu>
Message-ID: <200012142321.SAA22327@storm.nando.net>

Heck yeah, 

Try the <mailmandir>/bin/add_members program.

(run the executable with no options and it will give you an idea of how to use it)

--Neil



> Hello
> 
> I may have missed this but I'm new to mailman and have set up a list at
> our site to try. My
> question is there a way of adding subscribers in a bulk format other than
> cut and paste on
> the web page?
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Con Wieland
> UC Irvine
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From CWIELAND at uci.edu  Fri Dec 15 00:32:05 2000
From: CWIELAND at uci.edu (Con WIELAND)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:32:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscribers
In-Reply-To: <200012142321.SAA22327@storm.nando.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012141531540.20254-100000@mothra.nts.uci.edu>

Thanks!

Con

On 15 Dec 2000, Neil Cooler wrote:

> Heck yeah,
>
> Try the <mailmandir>/bin/add_members program.
>
> (run the executable with no options and it will give you an idea of how to use it)
>
> --Neil
>
>
>
> > Hello
> >
> > I may have missed this but I'm new to mailman and have set up a list at
> > our site to try. My
> > question is there a way of adding subscribers in a bulk format other than
> > cut and paste on
> > the web page?
> >
> > Thanks for any help
> >
> > Con Wieland
> > UC Irvine
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>




From haroldp at sierraweb.com  Fri Dec 15 01:15:18 2000
From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:15:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!  big problem
Message-ID: <p05010401b65f1306cdc9@[216.162.173.6]>

No doubt this guy just followed the wrong link on his user page, 
but...I'm going to jump on this again, because no one seemed to 
notice the last time I brought it up.

I have been the victim of this on numerous occasions.  It was not 
always Mailman's fault.  Many of the bugs responsible have been 
fixed.  Some, I still have no explanation for.  But it doesn't matter 
who's fault it is.  Can we add a feature to Mailman that checks to 
see if a duplicate message is being sent out?  Maybe just save a hash 
of the message bodies for a day?

It is really REALLY unpleasant when you have a list loop like that. 
A feature that prevents it would be keen.

	- H


>can you please tell me why i've gotten 54 copies of HLL digest 176 since 3
>pm and i unsubcribed and i'm still getting them. it is now 4:06 and there's
>not sign of stopping
>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>Rawbyn says: Bullies suck
>"i wanna grow up, wanna be, a big rock 'n' roll star, i wanna
>grow up, i wanna be, so no one fucks with me...yeah" MM
>
>
>http://www.microtec.net/~jared
>ICQ: 33877032

-- 

Harold Paulson                  Sierra Web Design
haroldp at sierraweb.com           http://www.sierraweb.com
VOICE: 775.833.9500             FAX:   810.314.1517



From mrlist at ActiveState.com  Fri Dec 15 01:43:59 2000
From: mrlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 16:43:59 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: For the Mailman Wishlist
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001213234928.24886B-100000@locke.ccil.org>
References: <p04330101b65cce15bb61@[209.239.169.197]> <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001213234928.24886B-100000@locke.ccil.org>
Message-ID: <20001214164050.0A3B.MRLIST@activestate.com>

In my humble opinion ,
A mail list dependent  customized confirmation message will be very
necessary. 


On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:50:17 -0500 (EST)
"Cordell H. Thomas" <cht at ccil.org> wrote:

> I thought that there was a non member posting option in the admin section
> 
> Del Thomas
> 
> Cite is no substitute for sight.
> 
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> 
> > At 8:54 PM -0600 12/12/00, David Champion wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >I'm just arguing this to emphasize that I think that a
> > >no-member-posting option is a reasonable wishlist item.
> > 
> > I agree -- but since there is a reasonable wrkaround, I'd mark it 
> > lower priority than I would if it were more difficult to do.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> > Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
> > 
> > We're visiting the relatives. Cover us.
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From sean at websidestory.com  Fri Dec 15 02:27:19 2000
From: sean at websidestory.com (Sean Shubert)
Date: 15 Dec 2000 01:27:19 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regarding Your Web Site
Message-ID: <20001215012719.83426.qmail@hitboxmailer.com>

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From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Dec 15 02:56:12 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:56:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adding subscribers 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Con WIELAND" <CWIELAND@uci.edu> 
   of "Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:07:55 PST." <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012141507080.20254-100000@mothra.nts.uci.edu> 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012141507080.20254-100000@mothra.nts.uci.edu> 
Message-ID: <6286.976845372@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:07:55 -0800 (PST) 
Con WIELAND <CWIELAND at uci.edu> wrote:

> Hello I may have missed this but I'm new to mailman and have set
> up a list at our site to try. My question is there a way of adding
> subscribers in a bulk format other than cut and paste on the web
> page?

~/bin/add_members

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From johnny at cathat.net  Fri Dec 15 04:51:02 2000
From: johnny at cathat.net (Johnny Fuerst)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:51:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] members cannot change their preferences
In-Reply-To: <p04330101b62017e2d24c@[209.239.169.197]>; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 10:43:46PM -0700
References: <20001028003952.A3545@cathat.net> <p04330101b62017e2d24c@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <20001214215102.A15053@cathat.net>

The problem was with me setting up a mailman.cathat.net subdomain having
an Apache Redirect to mail.cathat.net/mailman to work things. Having the
differing subdomains employed for the aesthetic purpose is what caused the
problem.

I couldn't resolve it successfully, so I have since installed mailman 2.0,
and I remade the lists, and that is operating very nicely under two subdomains.

Thanks All, who have devoutly contributed to this great program. While I concede
that there is room for improvement, it has indeed come a very long way, and I
greatly appreciate the hard work put into this project.

Cheers!!!

Sincerely,
Johnny

On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 10:43:46PM -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> send email to me at chuq at apple.com, and I'll look into it next time 
> I'm at the machine. I know it's working for others, so it's not a 
> system problem, at least not obviously. Are you behind a firewall or 
> using a proxy?
> 
> 
> At 12:39 AM -0500 10/28/00, Johnny Fuerst wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone may know how to rsolve the following problem:
> >
> >When at the http address for a user to change their settings, I can't save
> >changes I make, and I *do use the password that I have specified. And the
> >web site form will respond saying:
> >
> >Macosx-users Results
> >
> >You must supply a password to change options.
> >
> >Macosx-users list run by johnny at cathat.net
> >
> >Thanks for any help that can be provided!
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Johnny
> >
> >--
> >On Behalf Of:
> >Johnny Fuerst, Governor ................ governor at cathat.net
> >Opinions stated in this message are mine and mine alone, and
> >do not necessarily represent those of my ISP/employer!
> >.period.
> >------------------------------------------------------------
> >           'I Desire Compassion, and not a Sacrifice.'
> >                        'La Vida E Bella'
> >
> >____________________________
> >Random Quote:
> >A student who changes the course of history is probably taking an exam.
> >johnny at cathat.net
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> -- 
> Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com)
> Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com)
> 
> Be just, and fear not.

-- 
On Behalf Of:
Johnny Fuerst, Governor ................ governor at cathat.net
Opinions stated in this message are mine and mine alone, and
do not necessarily represent those of my ISP/employer!
.period.
------------------------------------------------------------
          'I Desire Compassion, and not a Sacrifice.'
                       'La Vida E Bella'

____________________________
Random Quote:
Money is the root of all evil, and man needs roots
johnny at cathat.net



From poole at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Dec 15 06:14:51 2000
From: poole at nortelnetworks.com (Thomas Poole)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:14:51 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] BUG:Mailman 2.0.
Message-ID: <3A39A8CB.9A3EEC6C@asiapacificm01.nt.com>

I've just installed Mailman 2.0 and I'm getting a problem.

It's a new installation. I've just created a 'test' mailing list and then things
go wrong.

Here is the error log.

-------------

Dec 15 15:54:54 2000 admin(14550): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
admin(14550): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0 -----]
admin(14550): [----- Traceback ------]
admin(14550): Traceback (innermost last):
admin(14550):   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main
admin(14550):     main()
admin(14550):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 138, in main
admin(14550):     mlist.Save()
admin(14550):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 856, in Save
admin(14550):     self.__save(dict)
admin(14550):   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 832, in __save
admin(14550):     os.link(fname, fname_last)
admin(14550): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted
admin(14550): [----- Python Information -----]
admin(14550): sys.version    = 1.5.2 (#1, Dec  8 1999, 21:20:51)  [GCC 2.95.2
19991024 (release)]
admin(14550): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python
admin(14550): sys.prefix     = /usr
admin(14550): sys.exec_prefix= /usr
admin(14550): sys.path       = /usr
admin(14550): sys.platform   = linux-i386
admin(14550): [----- Environment Variables -----]
admin(14550):   DOCUMENT_ROOT: /home/httpd/html
admin(14550):   SERVER_ADDR: 47.181.192.215
admin(14550):   HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING: gzip
admin(14550):   SERVER_PORT: 80
admin(14550):   PATH_TRANSLATED: /home/httpd/html/test
admin(14550):   GATEWAY_INTERFACE: CGI/1.1
admin(14550):   HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE: en
admin(14550):   REMOTE_ADDR: 47.181.193.173
admin(14550):   SERVER_NAME: zwolb006.asiapac.nortel.com
admin(14550):   HTTP_CONNECTION: Keep-Alive
admin(14550):   HTTP_USER_AGENT: Mozilla/4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk
i686)
admin(14550):   HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8
admin(14550):   HTTP_ACCEPT: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */*
admin(14550):   REQUEST_URI: /mailman/admin/test
admin(14550):   QUERY_STRING: 
admin(14550):   SCRIPT_FILENAME: /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
admin(14550):   PATH_INFO: /test
admin(14550):   HTTP_HOST: zwolb006.asiapac.nortel.com
admin(14550):   REQUEST_METHOD: GET
admin(14550):   SERVER_SIGNATURE: 
admin(14550):   SCRIPT_NAME: /mailman/admin
admin(14550):   SERVER_ADMIN: root at localhost
admin(14550):   SERVER_SOFTWARE: Apache/1.3.9  (NetRevolution Advanced Extranet
Server/Linux-Mandrake) PHP/3.0.13 mod_perl/1.21
admin(14550):   PYTHONPATH: /home/mailman
admin(14550):   HTTP_COOKIE: uid=1020
admin(14550):   SERVER_PROTOCOL: HTTP/1.0
admin(14550):   REMOTE_PORT: 4885

-------------

What happens (and this it reproduceable) I create the 'test' list and go to the
mailman/admin/test url (as giving in the e-mail message). The first time I go to
this link I get a message saying authentication is required and the following:


Content-type: text/html 

Bug in Mailman version 2.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback
and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman
error logs. 

-------------

After the first time I go to this page, if I try and reload the page, my browser
sits there waiting and I get no data.

If I do not go to the admin/test first, I can navigate some of the pages and
view the current subscribers (at this point, none). If I try and subscribe to
the mailing list before going to the admin/test page, I get the same 'Bug in
Mailman version 2.0' and from then on I get no data when trying to subscribe or
go to the admin/test page.

-------------

Vital data:

[mailman at zwolb006 logs]$ uname -a
Linux zwolb006.asiapac.nortel.com 2.2.14-15mdksecure #1 SMP Tue Jan 4 21:15:44
CET 2000 i686 unknown

[mailman at zwolb006 logs]$ python         
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Dec  8 1999, 21:20:51)  [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on
linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam



[mailman at zwolb006 logs]$ /sbin/ldconfig -p
254 libs found in cache `/etc/ld.so.cache' (version 1.7.0)
        libz.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libz.so.1
        libxode.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libxode.so.1
        libxode.so (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libxode.so
        libvgagl.so.1 (libc5) => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libvgagl.so.1
        libvga.so.1 (libc5) => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libvga.so.1
        libuulib.so.5 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libuulib.so.5
        libuulib.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libuulib.so
        libuuid.so.1 (libc6) => /lib/libuuid.so.1
        libutil.so.1 (libc6) => /lib/libutil.so.1
        libutil.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libutil.so
        libutempter.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libutempter.so.0
        libutempter.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libutempter.so
        libungif.so.4 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libungif.so.4
        libungif.so.3 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libungif.so.3
        libt1x.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libt1x.so.0
        libt1x.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libt1x.so
        libt1.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libt1.so.0
        libt1.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libt1.so
        libttf.so.2 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libttf.so.2
        libtk8.0.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtk8.0.so
        libtk.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtk.so
        libtix4.1.8.0.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtix4.1.8.0.so
        libtixsam4.1.8.0.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtixsam4.1.8.0.so
        libtix.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtix.so
        libtiff.so.3 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3
        libtermcap.so.2 (libc5) => /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libtermcap.so.2
        libtermcap.so.2 (libc6) => /lib/libtermcap.so.2
        libtermcap.so (libc6) => /lib/libtermcap.so
        libtcl8.0.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtcl8.0.so
        libtcl.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libtcl.so
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From thomas at ifi.uio.no  Fri Dec 15 14:43:06 2000
From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:43:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug in filtering HTML
Message-ID: <MM.976887786.16453.solva@ifi.uio.no>

I have the following in the Privacy --
Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp. section:

subject: .*free/
content-type: .*text/html/
content-type: .*/application/msword/
content-type: .*multipart/
content-transfer-encoding: .*base64/

Why/how did the posting below manage to get through?

Thomas Gramstad
thomas at ifi.uio.no

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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
"Lien,Torbj&oslash;rn" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>>Crusade starter s&oslash;ndag 6. januar klokken
14:40 p&aring; TV Norge.
<br>oh joy!</blockquote>
Amen to that Brother!!
<br>Mine b&oslash;nner er endelig blitt h&oslash;rt! ;-D
<p>-Erik</html>






From matt at peterson.org  Fri Dec 15 15:02:10 2000
From: matt at peterson.org (Matt Peterson)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:02:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] typical qmail woes
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.31.0012150531280.617-100000@moaner.org>

hi,

yes, i've read the qmail readme (even though it's really a reference, not
a howto or manual).  i've been trying to get the contributed script
qmail-to-mailman.py working, skipping the mess of creating a bunch of
.qmall files.  i know it's being called upon, because emails sent to
abuse at lists.moaner.org, are being bounced with def bounce(): message.
i'm guess this might be a famous gid issue?  all my test emails to
-request, -admin, etc. just sit in the queue.  *shrug* help?

virtualdomains fils (domain obviously listed in rcpthosts)
lists.moaner.org:mailman

~mailman/.qmail-default
|preline /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py

i dont see what i'm missing, yes, i've restarted qmail's daemons.  damit
this sux.  is there any good qmail + mailman howto, google no luck.  thx.

--matt




From reb at taco.com  Fri Dec 15 16:16:46 2000
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 10:16:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Has anyone imported SmartList archives
  into Pipermail?
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001213215701.01dd7b68@taco.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001215100922.039ca750@taco.com>

At 09:59 PM 12/13/2000 -0500, Phydeaux wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I'm in the process of switching from SmartList to Mailman and I have a
>*boatload* of archives that I'd like to convert so they can be perused
>via Pipermail. I'm sure this has been done before so I figured I'd ask
>before reinventing the wheel.
>
>Failing a direct solution, what exactly does Pipermail use to construct
>the archives? I have all the individual messages I want archived.
>
>Suggestions cheerfully accepted! I'm using Mailman 2.0 by the way...

Well, after receiving no replies I reinvented the wheel (not too hard in
this case).  I figured I'd post the answer for anyone else to use, and so
it would be in the archives.

The SmartList archive feature numbers all of its stored messages. This
program simply cycles through each of these and appends them to one
big file. Once this is run, a simple "arch <listname> <mboxfilename>"
command will create the archive.

#!/usr/local/bin/perl
#
open (OUT, ">out.mbox") || die ("Error opening OUT $!\n");
#
foreach $i (1..2590) {
   open (IN, $i) || die ("Can't open infile $i  $!\n");
   print OUT <IN>;
   print OUT "\n";
   close (IN);
  print "$i ";
}
close(OUT);
print "\nDone!\n";
#
# END

I hope this helps someone...

reb




From jenny-h at algonet.se  Fri Dec 15 17:33:12 2000
From: jenny-h at algonet.se (Jenny Holmberg)
Date: 15 Dec 2000 17:33:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] typical qmail woes
In-Reply-To: Matt Peterson's message of "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 06:02:10 -0800 (PST)"
References: <Pine.BSF.4.31.0012150531280.617-100000@moaner.org>
Message-ID: <xrzzk891od9z.fsf@gruk.algonet.se>

Matt Peterson <matt at peterson.org> writes:

> yes, i've read the qmail readme (even though it's really a reference, not
> a howto or manual).  i've been trying to get the contributed script
> qmail-to-mailman.py working, skipping the mess of creating a bunch of
> .qmall files.  i know it's being called upon, because emails sent to
> abuse at lists.moaner.org, are being bounced with def bounce(): message.
> i'm guess this might be a famous gid issue?  all my test emails to
> -request, -admin, etc. just sit in the queue.  *shrug* help?

What do the qmail logs say?

-- 
Jenny With the Axe, and the Temper   http://www.algonet.se/~jenny-h/
#include <std_disclaimer.h>
"You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else."
--Ambassador Delenn, B5



From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Fri Dec 15 18:36:34 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 12:36:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] command addresses 
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53C5@COM>

Thanks!!

I'm not very familiar with Python scripts, has anybody done this or
something similar and would you be willing to share your code?

Jamey

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	J C Lawrence [SMTP:claw at kanga.nu]
> Sent:	Thursday, December 14, 2000 6:07 PM
> To:	James Sintz
> Cc:	'mailman-users at python.org'
> Subject:	Re: [Mailman-Users] command addresses 
> 
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:38:57 -0500 
> James Sintz <jsintz at ohiohistory.org> wrote:
> 
> > Is there a way for users to unsubscribe without having to know
> > their password?
> 
> Not currently.  It would be fairly simple to wrap a script around
> ~/bin/remove_member and hang that off an alias however.
> 
> > In addition, is their a way to set up a specific unsubscribe
> > address like mylist-unsub at mysites.com so users don't have to
> > include any specific text in the subject or body? Just sending to
> > the above address from their subscribed address will remove them.
> 
> Not currently, however, see the above response on a way of doing
> this.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
> --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jpb at creol.ucf.edu  Fri Dec 15 19:45:35 2000
From: jpb at creol.ucf.edu (Joe Block)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] nomail users
Message-ID: <3A3A66CF.D8A4FD84@creol.ucf.edu>

Is there a way to add a list of users with the nomail option already set
from the command line?  Or barring that, a way to change the options for
a given email address from the command line?

My lists are small now (sub 1000) but it's already becoming a hassle in
the web interface to set 20 or 30 users nomail or turn them back to mail
when the new semester starts.  It'd be a lot less hassle if I could do
it from the command line.

I rummaged through the stuff in /usr/lib/mailman/bin but didn't find
anything.

thanks,

jpb
-- 
Joe Block <jpb at creol.ucf.edu>
University of Central Florida School of Optics/CREOL
Network/Systems Administrator

Social graces are the packet headers of everyday life.



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Fri Dec 15 21:29:06 2000
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 07:29:06 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bug in filtering HTML
In-Reply-To: <MM.976887786.16453.solva@ifi.uio.no>; from thomas@ifi.uio.no on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 02:43:06PM +0100
References: <MM.976887786.16453.solva@ifi.uio.no>
Message-ID: <20001216072906.E25075@tertius.net.au>

Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp. section:
> subject: .*free/
> content-type: .*text/html/
> content-type: .*/application/msword/
> content-type: .*multipart/
> content-transfer-encoding: .*base64/
> Why/how did the posting below manage to get through?
[...] 
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

No trailing slash after the "html".  If you take that off it
should match your second regexp.  I'd take the other trailing
slashes off too, personally.  They aren't URLs, I've seen
Content-Type: application/msword
and stuff like that pretty often

Now if my Mother would just stop sending me HTML email ...


bekj
 :)
-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: It is the business of the future to be dangerous.  -- Hawkwind



From LongL at doubletwist.com  Sat Dec 16 00:19:11 2000
From: LongL at doubletwist.com (Long Li)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 15:19:11 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are replies to list messages directed and subscribe?
Message-ID: <3D82EFC06BB9D311B0940090277C086C019525D7@exchange.panbio.com>

When I switched this option "Where are replies to list messages directed? "
from "Poster" to "This List", all replies to "list-request"  are also
directed to list's post address. This happens when  new users confirm his
subscription by replying to "list-request" address which has been changed to
post address. Could someone let me know what may cause this? 
 
Thanks.
 
Long  
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Dec 16 01:06:44 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:06:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
Message-ID: <200012160005.QAA04709@utopia.west.sun.com>

Edit SpamDetect.py; here's what I've added; the syslog stuff is
just for my personal edification; you could merely make the 
analagous changes to KNOWN_SPAMMERS and have the effect you want.

28a29
> from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
40c41
< KNOWN_SPAMMERS = []
---
> KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('from', 'danyb at earthlink.net'), ('from', 
'dannyb at dannybproductions.com'), ('from', 'events at dannybproductions.com')]
57a59
>             syslog("bounce", "message discarded: %s: %s" % (header, regex))

> This doesn't seem to be in the FAQ, and I'll bet there's a simple way to do
> it.
> 
> I have a class of messages sent to one of the lists I manage.  I classify
> this class of messages as spam based on subject line.  I want to
> automatically discard those messages without even having to review them.
> Standard handling seems to always require a review by the list owner.
> 
> Surely there must be an automated way of discarding these messages without
> waking me up?




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Sat Dec 16 01:10:55 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:10:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
Message-ID: <200012160009.QAA04870@utopia.west.sun.com>

> On 14 Dec 2000, Neil Cooler wrote:
> > I found a little nugget of joy on the mailman FAQ about disabling
> > synchronous DNS for messages originating from localhost, but have not
> > been able to figure out how to do that in Sendmail (its not in the
> > README.sendmail).
> 
> Use a sendmail invocation with -ODeliveryMode=d or -odd on the command
> line.

The problem with this is that it appears to disable unauthorized-relay
protection, which I consider pretty important antispam tactics.




From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Sat Dec 16 01:12:03 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:12:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <200012160009.QAA04870@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012151610160.575-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> The problem with this is that it appears to disable unauthorized-relay
> protection, which I consider pretty important antispam tactics.

Why?  The normal queue-running invocation should not run with deferred
delivery; the explicit invocation used by Mailman for outbound mail
should.  Inbound mail would always be touched by a sendmail invocation
that has a relay-checked delivery mode. 

-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Sat Dec 16 02:05:16 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:05:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
Message-ID: <200012160103.RAA06466@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 16:12:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk at QueerNet.ORG>
> To: Dan Mick <Dan.Mick at west.sun.com>
> cc: ncooler at nandomedia.com, mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
> 
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> > The problem with this is that it appears to disable unauthorized-relay
> > protection, which I consider pretty important antispam tactics.
> 
> Why?  The normal queue-running invocation should not run with deferred
> delivery; the explicit invocation used by Mailman for outbound mail
> should.  Inbound mail would always be touched by a sendmail invocation
> that has a relay-checked delivery mode. 

Ah, do it *only* for Mailman-invoked sendmail.  Hmm.  Yes, that does
look interesting.  (I'm using SMTPDirect, which just contacts the
daemon to send mail, so the deferred mode would be all-or-nothing...
but one could use Sendmail instead.)




From margy at gurus.com  Sat Dec 16 02:30:28 2000
From: margy at gurus.com (Margaret Levine Young)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:30:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
In-Reply-To: <p05010402b65d7a8a2e00@[207.149.192.229]>
References: <p0433010db65d4b43274b@[209.239.169.197]>
 <200012131346.IAA26165@min.net>
 <p0433010db65d4b43274b@[209.239.169.197]>
Message-ID: <4.1.20001215202917.00b5b1a0@mail.iecc.com>

John Baxter wrote:
>Not to mention that mere mortals--even list admins--are very unlikely to
>know anything about procmail and how to manage its amazingly arcane
>"recipes," which when mismanaged tend to discard all mail.

This is an important point (to me). We've got a savvy site manager (Lance
Brown), and a bunch of list manager who range form clueless to fairly
clueful. The more the list managers can do on their own, the better.

Margy Levine Young <margy at gurus.com>
Coauthor of "The Internet For Dummies" <http://net.gurus.com> and "Poor
Richard's Building Online Communities" <http://www.topfloor.com>. Looking 
for kids' videos? Check out <http://www.greattapes.com>



From doc at zwecker.de  Sat Dec 16 04:27:12 2000
From: doc at zwecker.de (Christophe Zwecker)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 04:27:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Convert mhonarc archives to mailman ?
Message-ID: <3A3AE110.E04A04DA@zwecker.de>

Hi,
I just discovered mailman, boy I ve used majordomo for 3 years and
archive thru mhonarc. I would like to keep my archives, those are
mhonarc archives in mbox format. Can I convert those into the mailman
system ?

I hope :-)

chris
-- 
Christophe Zwecker                     mail: doc at zwecker.de
Hamburg, Germany                        fon: +49 179 3994867
http://www.zwecker.de

"Who is General Failure ?  And why is he reading my disk ??"



From doc at zwecker.de  Sat Dec 16 04:44:30 2000
From: doc at zwecker.de (Christophe Zwecker)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 04:44:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME links
Message-ID: <3A3AE51E.3F11C8A5@zwecker.de>

Hi,

I noticed when sending an attachment to a list, when viewing in archive
I only see ascii code, shouldnt it be like a link for a jpg to click on
it ?

thx for reply

chris
-- 
Christophe Zwecker                     mail: doc at zwecker.de
Hamburg, Germany                        fon: +49 179 3994867
http://www.zwecker.de

"Who is General Failure ?  And why is he reading my disk ??"



From gleblanc at cu-portland.edu  Sat Dec 16 06:02:20 2000
From: gleblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 15 Dec 2000 21:02:20 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Convert mhonarc archives to mailman ?
In-Reply-To: <3A3AE110.E04A04DA@zwecker.de>
Message-ID: <200012160502.eBG52K022482@peecee.linuxweasel.com>

On 16 Dec 2000 04:27:12 +0100, Christophe Zwecker wrote:
> Hi,
> I just discovered mailman, boy I ve used majordomo for 3 years and
> archive thru mhonarc. I would like to keep my archives, those are
> mhonarc archives in mbox format. Can I convert those into the mailman
> system ?


Yes, but you might want to keep using mhonarc for your archiver, as the
one that ships with mailman isn't that brilliant.  Take a browse through
the list archives, and look for posts by Dan Mick, J C Lawrence, and
Chuq Von Rospach.  I can't remember exactly who, but somebody has a
great set of pages using mailman and mhonarc.  

    Greg



From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Sat Dec 16 07:06:47 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:06:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Slow Performance on semi-large lists
In-Reply-To: <200012160103.RAA06466@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012152205290.6969-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Dan Mick wrote:
> Ah, do it *only* for Mailman-invoked sendmail.  Hmm.  Yes, that does
> look interesting.  (I'm using SMTPDirect, which just contacts the
> daemon to send mail, so the deferred mode would be all-or-nothing...
> but one could use Sendmail instead.)

Even then... run a deferring daemon on a non-25 port.  And restrict that
one via tcp_wrapper or otherwise to listen only to localhost.
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From mattai at box43.pl  Sat Dec 16 15:19:33 2000
From: mattai at box43.pl (MACIEJ)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] winbond 89c940
Message-ID: <3A3B79F5.1E61A161@box43.pl>

I download drivers for winbond 89c940 , and compile them.
This drivers are not work, at RED HAT kernel 2.2.13 (gentus abit)
I would like to know, how to compile them .
If you know how , to do it , send me, URL or instruction.

mattai at box43.pl


 
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http://www.lp.pl - dopisz Box43 do nazwiska, 
a otrzymasz 5% znizki do kazdego zamowienia!
 



From midnight at the-oasis.net  Sun Dec 17 06:00:08 2000
From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:00:08 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin/arch
Message-ID: <3A3C0208.25887.26F2323B@localhost>

I just ran ~/bin/arch against a mbox file I just migrated from an 
older version of Mailman.

Everything worked ok, but when it got done, the downloadable 
version of each month isn't gzipped. Other archives that are being 
created as mail comes in are gzipped. How do I toggle this 
behaviour?

Is there a pipermail list?


-- 
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                       WWW  http://www.the-oasis.net/
                  FTP Site  ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net



From admin at vervehosting.com  Sun Dec 17 20:54:29 2000
From: admin at vervehosting.com (Admin@vervehosting.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:54:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Problems
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20001217143322.00ad8810@mail.vervehosting.com>

I have installed Mailman 2.0 and am having a problem receiving subscription 
confirmations and postings to the mailing list. My settings and sample 
messages from my maillog are below. I have searched through several logs, 
including the Mailman logs and have not seen any error messages. Does 
anyone on the list have any ideas why incoming mail is never recieved?

Email aliases:
===========
testing:        "|/home/ccharity/www/mailman/mail/wrapper post testing"
testing-admin:  "|/home/ccharity/www/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner testing"
testing-request:"|/home/ccharity/www/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testing"
test-owner:      ccharity


Mail sent to the mailing list "Testing"
===============================
Dec 17 14:36:28 ns sendmail[5275]: OAA05275: 
from=<hostmaster at vervehosting.com>, size=370, class=0, pri=30370, nrcpts=1, 
msgid=<4.3.2.7.0.20001217143919.00abebc0 at mail.vervehosting.com>, 
proto=ESMTP, relay=dsl-64-193-155-217.telocity.com [64.193.155.217]
Dec 17 14:36:28 ns sendmail[5276]: OAA05275: forward 
/home/ccharity/.forward.ns: Group writable directory
Dec 17 14:36:28 ns sendmail[5276]: OAA05275: forward 
/home/ccharity/.forward: Group writable directory
Dec 17 14:36:28 ns sendmail[5276]: OAA05275: to=<testing at ccharity.com>, 
ctladdr=<hostmaster at vervehosting.com> (578/578), delay=00:00:00, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent


Subscription confirmation e-mail sent to "testing-request at ccharity.com"
=====================================================
Dec 17 14:28:09 ns sendmail[5089]: OAA05087: forward 
/home/ccharity/.forward.ns: Group writable directory
Dec 17 14:28:09 ns sendmail[5089]: OAA05087: forward 
/home/ccharity/.forward: Group writable directory
Dec 17 14:28:09 ns sendmail[5089]: OAA05087: 
to=<testing-request at ccharity.com>, ctladdr=<chrissy at ccharity.com> 
(539/539), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent

Crontab entries:
================
[ccharity at ns ccharity]$ crontab -l
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (crontab.in installed on Sun Dec 17 12:35:16 2000)
# (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $)
# At 5PM every day, mail reminders to admins as to pending requests
0 17 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/ccharity/www/mailman/cron/checkdbs
#
# Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery.
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/ccharity/www/mailman/cron/senddigests
#
# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/ccharity/www/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
#
# Every 5 mins, try to gate news to mail.  You can comment this one out
# if you don't want to allow gating, or don't have any going on right now,
# or want to exclusively use a callback strategy instead of polling.
0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S 
/home/ccharity/www/
mailman/cron/gate_news
#
# At 3:27am every night, regenerate the gzip'd archive file.  Only
# turn this on if the internal archiver is used and
# GZIP_ARCHIVE_TXT_FILES is false in mm_cfg.py
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/ccharity/www/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
#
# Retry failed deliveries once per minute.
* * * * * /usr/bin/python -S /home/ccharity/www/mailman/cron/qrunner

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From services at metagency.com  Mon Dec 18 02:22:24 2000
From: services at metagency.com (METAgency)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:22:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures
Message-ID: <v04210104b66315c73287@[216.88.152.12]>

When users from the net try to subscribe, they never get a 
confirmation. However, users with an address from our server have no 
problem subscribing/confirming.

/logs/smtp-failures gives a "relaying denied": error:

Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at isp.com:
Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: 
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
sRefused  / {'user at isp.com': (550, '<user at isp.com>... Relaying 
denied')}  (dequeued)

Relaying denied? How can this be?

KD


---------------------------------------------------
METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com



From scott-brown at home.com  Mon Dec 18 05:27:45 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:27:45 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures
In-Reply-To: <v04210104b66315c73287@[216.88.152.12]>
Message-ID: <000301c068aa$de871e60$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Had the same problem mysefl - I believe that it's because the destination
site doesnt recognize the machine sending to it, so it pukes on it.

And I just found the answer minutes ago myself.

In your Defaults.py - change the delivery module to 'Sendmail'

#####
# Delivery defaults
#####

# Delivery module for the message pipeline.  See
# Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details.  Unless overridden
specifically
# in that module, this handler is used for message delivery to the list, and
# to an individual user.  This value must be a string naming a module in the
# Mailman.Handlers package.
#
# SECURITY WARNING: The Sendmail module is not secure!  Please read the
# comments in Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py for details.  Use at your own
# risk.
#
DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of METAgency
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:22 PM
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures
>
>
> When users from the net try to subscribe, they never get a
> confirmation. However, users with an address from our server have no
> problem subscribing/confirming.
>
> /logs/smtp-failures gives a "relaying denied": error:
>
> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at isp.com:
> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:
> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
> sRefused  / {'user at isp.com': (550, '<user at isp.com>... Relaying
> denied')}  (dequeued)
>
> Relaying denied? How can this be?
>
> KD
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
> 775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From marc_news at valinux.com  Mon Dec 18 06:32:40 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:32:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe message
In-Reply-To: <02ce01c060e7$ae188bd0$13551518@cx403972a>; from joel@knocean.com on Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:22:53PM -0800
References: <02ce01c060e7$ae188bd0$13551518@cx403972a>
Message-ID: <20001217213240.A22247@marc.merlins.org>

On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 11:22:53PM -0800, Joel Shellman wrote:
> Is there a way to specify a different message to go to the unsubscriber if
> they were "kicked off" as opposed to them request unsubsription?
> 
> Meaning that if they unsubscribe, you may want to say "oh, please don't go".
> But if the adminstrator unsubscribes them from the web interface, you might
> want more of a "good riddance" (okay, well, maybe not that) message to go to
> them.

I have wished for this feature too, but it doesn't exist yet.

Marc
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From dmlopez at ucauca.edu.co  Tue Dec 19 01:53:48 2000
From: dmlopez at ucauca.edu.co (=?iso-8859-1?Q?diego_L=F3pez?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:53:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman Instalation
Message-ID: <007001c06956$259ca260$02ff10ac@ucauca.edu.co>



I followed all the step for instalation of Mailman 2.0, but when i create the test list,  when i am the list administrator, it retrive to my email address failed deliveries once per minute.
The e-mail is like:
 

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 271, in ?
    lock.lock(timeout=0.5)
  File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock
    self.__write()
  File "/usr/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 350, in __write
    fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.orion.2929'


I think the problem should be with the directory where i have installed the aplication (usr/mailman/)


i did-nt checked if it is with nosuid option, because i dont know how to do it.
Thanks
===========================================================
Diego Mauricio L?pez G .
Docente Departamento de Conmutaci?n
(Ingenier?a Telem?tica)
Facultad de Ing. Electr?nica - Universidad del Cauca. Popay?n- Colombia
Tel: (+57-28) 233031 ext 192 Fax: (+57-28) 233031
website: http://www.ucauca.edu.co/~dmlopez
e-mail: dmlopez at ucauca.edu.co 
           dmlopez at halley.ucauca.edu.co
==========================================================

===========================================================
Diego Mauricio L?pez G .
Docente Departamento de Conmutaci?n
(Ingenier?a Telem?tica)
Facultad de Ing. Electr?nica - Universidad del Cauca. Popay?n- Colombia
Tel: (+57-28) 233031 ext 192 Fax: (+57-28) 233031
website: http://www.ucauca.edu.co/~dmlopez
e-mail: dmlopez at ucauca.edu.co 
           dmlopez at halley.ucauca.edu.co
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From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Mon Dec 18 16:42:41 2000
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with one list, while others work fine
Message-ID: <200012181543.KAA22094@storm.nando.net>

Hi everyone:

One of our lists would not go out last night, and the following message:

Dec 18 10:46:02 2000 (29062) Delivery exception: __int__
Dec 18 10:46:02 2000 (29062) Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in
do_pipeline
    func(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py", line 36, in process
    header = string.replace(mlist.msg_header % d, '\r\n', '\n')
AttributeError: __int__

Keeps showing up in /home/mailman/logs.

Any ideas as to how to fix this?

I'm running Mailman 2.0 final (upgraded just last week) and sendmail
8.9.3, on RH 6.2 intel.

-Neil




From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Mon Dec 18 16:49:12 2000
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Debian user)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:49:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major Issues
Message-ID: <3A3E31F8.ECEFC97D@opensourcedirectory.com>

I was wondering if there was anyone that got mailman ... anyversion up
and running with Slackware?
if so could you tell me what were the steps that you had followed...
I have yet to get it up and running in slackware?

I could use all the help that I can get :) thanks




From heigldw at rose-hulman.edu  Mon Dec 18 16:58:37 2000
From: heigldw at rose-hulman.edu (Dave Heigl)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 3 questions
Message-ID: <003101c0690b$62989f20$c6ce7089@blue>

Hey all,

I just installed Mailman 2.0 on a fairly standard RedHat 6.2 install. I got
mailman to install, and the lists themselves seem to work ok. I still have
three issues that I don't know how to deal with. They are probably fairly
simple, but I'm new to this software, so go easy on me:

1) The web interfaces don't work. I get page not found errors when I try to
reach the links the Mailman send to the admin address. This may be related
to problem 2.

2) I have two DNS entries for the system, one long fugly address that the
DHCP server gives me, and one shorter one that I actually use for the
system. I can't find where I can tell Mailman to use the shorter one. Is it
possible to do this? I don't like my users to have to type
list at system.heckalongsubdomain.theirdomain.com when they could type
list at host.domain.com

3) Is there a way that the admin can submit a long list of addresses for
getting a list started? I am migrating from SmartList, so I have a
distribution list already. I don't want each user to have to go through the
hassle of re-subscribing, if that can be avoided. What I am looking for is a
simple text file where the recipients of a list are stored. I doubt that is
available, but I think that explains what I am looking for.

thanks in advance, dave




From services at metagency.com  Mon Dec 18 17:51:10 2000
From: services at metagency.com (METAgency)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:51:10 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures: not there..
In-Reply-To: <000301c068aa$de871e60$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
References: <000301c068aa$de871e60$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <v04210100b663f07aecbe@[216.88.152.12]>

Didn't find the DELIVERY_MODULE line in the file, is this for v 2.0? 
I'm using 1.1

Thanks..

KD


>Had the same problem mysefl - I believe that it's because the destination
>site doesnt recognize the machine sending to it, so it pukes on it.
>
>And I just found the answer minutes ago myself.
>
>In your Defaults.py - change the delivery module to 'Sendmail'
>
>#####
># Delivery defaults
>#####
>
># Delivery module for the message pipeline.  See
># Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details.  Unless overridden
>specifically
># in that module, this handler is used for message delivery to the list, and
># to an individual user.  This value must be a string naming a module in the
># Mailman.Handlers package.
>#
># SECURITY WARNING: The Sendmail module is not secure!  Please read the
># comments in Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py for details.  Use at your own
># risk.
>#
>DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
>#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
>> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of METAgency
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:22 PM
> > To: mailman-users at python.org
>> Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures
>>
>>
>> When users from the net try to subscribe, they never get a
>> confirmation. However, users with an address from our server have no
>> problem subscribing/confirming.
>>
>> /logs/smtp-failures gives a "relaying denied": error:
>>
>> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at isp.com:
>> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:
>> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
>> sRefused  / {'user at isp.com': (550, '<user at isp.com>... Relaying
>> denied')}  (dequeued)
>>
>> Relaying denied? How can this be?
>>
>> KD
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>> METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
>> 775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



---------------------------------------------------
METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com



From scott-brown at home.com  Mon Dec 18 18:53:55 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:53:55 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures: not there..
In-Reply-To: <v04210100b663f07aecbe@[216.88.152.12]>
Message-ID: <000801c0691b$7e2102e0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Yes, I was workign with a 2.0 installation.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of METAgency
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:51 AM
> To: scott-brown at home.com
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures: not there..
> 
> 
> Didn't find the DELIVERY_MODULE line in the file, is this for v 2.0? 
> I'm using 1.1
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> KD
> 
> 
> >Had the same problem mysefl - I believe that it's because 
> the destination
> >site doesnt recognize the machine sending to it, so it pukes on it.
> >
> >And I just found the answer minutes ago myself.
> >
> >In your Defaults.py - change the delivery module to 'Sendmail'
> >
> >#####
> ># Delivery defaults
> >#####
> >
> ># Delivery module for the message pipeline.  See
> ># Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py for details.  Unless overridden
> >specifically
> ># in that module, this handler is used for message delivery 
> to the list, and
> ># to an individual user.  This value must be a string naming 
> a module in the
> ># Mailman.Handlers package.
> >#
> ># SECURITY WARNING: The Sendmail module is not secure!  
> Please read the
> ># comments in Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py for details.  Use 
> at your own
> ># risk.
> >#
> >DELIVERY_MODULE = 'Sendmail'
> >#DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> >> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of METAgency
> >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:22 PM
> > > To: mailman-users at python.org
> >> Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures
> >>
> >>
> >> When users from the net try to subscribe, they never get a
> >> confirmation. However, users with an address from our 
> server have no
> >> problem subscribing/confirming.
> >>
> >> /logs/smtp-failures gives a "relaying denied": error:
> >>
> >> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at isp.com:
> >> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:
> >> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
> >> sRefused  / {'user at isp.com': (550, '<user at isp.com>... Relaying
> >> denied')}  (dequeued)
> >>
> >> Relaying denied? How can this be?
> >>
> >> KD
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------
> >> METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
> >> 775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------
> >> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >>
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------
> >Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
> 775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From sales at 4reseller.com  Mon Dec 18 19:08:40 2000
From: sales at 4reseller.com (Sales)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors
Message-ID: <003a01c0691d$8d613520$a4d46f3f@BDD>

Dear support,

I have installed mailman and configured it with python 1.6, but when i try to run /bin/newlist following errors are reported, could u pls. help me out in resolving this.
Its on Sun Solaris 2.6.
Errors Report :
bin/newlist
---------------------------------------------------
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/newlist", line 55, in ?
    import paths
ImportError: No module named paths  
----------------------------------------------------

Appreciate ur early reponse.

Regars
Ruthish


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From bob at nleaudio.com  Mon Dec 18 19:54:54 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:54:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adult advertisement
References: <20001218183150.1B42A1CC00@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A3E5D7E.F99E92B1@nleaudio.com>

Now come on people, why isn't this list closed to only subscribers?!?!



From esper at sherohman.org  Mon Dec 18 19:51:04 2000
From: esper at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:51:04 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Online cards
Message-ID: <20001218125104.B31742@sherohman.org>

Someone sent an online christmas card to one of my lists and (whether by
cardhaus's design or by user error) the list (recipient) address is showing
up in the From: header - this is also causing the notifications of people
viewing the card and other status stuff from the cardhaus to go to the list.

I've told Mailman to hold all mail from the cardhaus's address for approval,
but I don't see any obvious way to block additional cards as people see them,
think they're neat, and send more...

Offhand, I don't see anything obvious in the headers on the messages Mailman
sends out.  Is there a way I can view the original headers?  (I assume not,
but there might be something out there.)  Any suggestions for keeping this
crap off my lists?  (Technical solutions, that is.  'Tell the users not to do
it' is one I can figure out on my own.)

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From rogerk at QueerNet.ORG  Mon Dec 18 20:25:29 2000
From: rogerk at QueerNet.ORG (Roger B.A. Klorese)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:25:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adult advertisement
In-Reply-To: <3A3E5D7E.F99E92B1@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012181122220.7326-100000@castro.queernet.org>

On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
> Now come on people, why isn't this list closed to only subscribers?!?!

Having support lists open for posts by non-subscribers is a long-standing
tradition in many corners, to enable people to get quick help.  I'd much
rather see smart spam-traps and aggressive pursuit than give up on this
entirely. 
-- 
ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG
PO Box 14309		                                San Francisco, CA 94114
"There is only one real blasphemy -- the refusal of joy!"       -- Paul Rudnick




From greg at afternet.org  Mon Dec 18 21:16:47 2000
From: greg at afternet.org (Greg McGuire)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:16:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domain
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001218151526.00b7b180@mirc.net>

hi i was wondering how to use mailman with mutliple domains.  i haven't had 
to much sucess and the documentation doesn't have to much of an 
explanation.  could you send me an example of some kind?

thank you




From dan at ssc.com  Mon Dec 18 21:19:04 2000
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:19:04 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] adult advertisement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012181122220.7326-100000@castro.queernet.org>; from rogerk@QueerNet.ORG on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:25:29AM -0800
References: <3A3E5D7E.F99E92B1@nleaudio.com> <Pine.BSI.4.21.0012181122220.7326-100000@castro.queernet.org>
Message-ID: <20001218121904.A2158@ssc.com>

On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 11:25:29AM -0800, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
> > Now come on people, why isn't this list closed to only subscribers?!?!
> 
> Having support lists open for posts by non-subscribers is a long-standing
> tradition in many corners, to enable people to get quick help.  I'd much
> rather see smart spam-traps and aggressive pursuit than give up on this
> entirely. 
> -- 
> ROGER B.A. KLORESE                                          rogerk at QueerNet.ORG

I run a number of such lists.  They do get spam, but we manage to
weed out quite a bit of it by rejecting mail that doesn't have
"To:", "From:", or "Cc:" the list.

This at least eliminates spammers who use massive third-party relays
to multiply their output.  With one email going via relay to 10,000
recipients, it isn't practical to put all 10,000 in the headers.

The spams that get though are mostly from spammers who seem to be
running list-bots that subscribe first, then spam.  A closed
list is not much protection from those.

Interestingly enough, we've reduced our incidence of those by requiring
a confirming email before a list subscription is enabled.  The list
server sends email to the prospective subscriber containing an auth
cookie, which must be returned to the list manager.  Amazing, the
number of bounced auth messages we get!

Sure cuts down on undeliverable list mail.  As well as preventing
spammers from spamming our closed lists.

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 Seattle, WA  98155-0549      URL    http://www.linuxjournal.com/
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From greg at afternet.org  Mon Dec 18 21:19:36 2000
From: greg at afternet.org (Greg McGuire)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:19:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] RE: multiple domain
Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20001218151904.00b8e7c0@mirc.net>

also the machine uses exim

 >hi i was wondering how to use mailman with mutliple domains.  i haven't 
had to much sucess and the >documentation doesn't have to much of an 
explanation.  could you send me an example of some kind?
 >
 >thank you 




From reb at taco.com  Mon Dec 18 21:40:56 2000
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple domain
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001218151526.00b7b180@mirc.net>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001218153745.02ae9008@taco.com>

At 03:16 PM 12/18/2000 -0500, Greg McGuire wrote:
>hi i was wondering how to use mailman with mutliple domains.  i haven't 
>had to much sucess and the documentation doesn't have to much of an 
>explanation.  could you send me an example of some kind?

Just change each list to have an appropriate value for "Host name that this 
list prefers" in the general options for each list. Mailman takes care of 
the rest. Of course your system needs to be set up to handle mail for all 
these domains... but that's not a mailman question.

reb




From dr.laribi at caramail.com  Mon Dec 18 21:46:15 2000
From: dr.laribi at caramail.com (samir laribi)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:46:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] message de detresse
Message-ID: <977176166012918@caramail.com>


Bonjours cher amis ,
 Nous somme un groupe de jeunes m?decins alg?riens, nous 
travaillant au sein d'un petit h?pital pour enfants 
atteints de leuc?mie (cancer du sang ), pour le moment les 
informations que nous avons en tant que m?decins sur cette 
maladie restent tr?s minimes dans notre pays par rapport 
aux exploits que les m?decins ont r?alis?s chez vous depuis 
des ann?es ,et les documentations sont presque inexistants 
, nous avons b?n?ficier d?une offre g?n?reuse d'une 
association chr?tienne fran?aise repr?sent?e par un 
ordinateur , mais apr?s avoir re?u le micro nous avons 
constater qu?il a un probl?me d'une pi?ce appel?e la 
memoire RAM 32 Mo , on conna?t pas bien les astuces de 
l?informatique mais d?apr?s un de nos confr?res m?decin 
elle est irr?parable , et nous avons extr?mement besoin de 
l'ordinateur car nous avons re?u de la France un lot tr?s 
important de cd sur le cancer et on a besoin de 
l'ordinateur aussi pour se connecter ? internet et 
recuillir les enormes informations disponibles sur le net , 
mais ?tant une 
association qui travaille de fa?on b?n?vole , nous ne 
pouvant acheter cet pi?ce (le peu d'argent que nous avons 
nous l'utilisant pour acheter les m?dicaments pour nos 
malades et maintenir le maximum d'enfants sous 
chimioth?rapie ), d'autant plus quelle n'existe pas chez 
nous , vous voyer qu'? cause d'une pi?ce de moins de 300 
francs fran?ais on est bloqu?s dans notre programme de 
recherche, cher AMIS tendez-nous votre main ,trouvez-nous 
une solution et aidez-nous a trouver un cette pi?ce , qui , 
lorsqu'elle existe , est tr?s ch?re chez nous ,m?me 
ancienne m?me si elle est le dernier model du march? pour 
au moins am?liorer nos connaissances sur cette terrible 
maladie et am?liorer le pronostic de ces enfants condamn?s, 
je vous informe que c'est une barette sdram pc100 32 mo 
,c'est une forme de mendicit? mais ?a y est on en peut plus 
, s'il faut aller mendier dans la rue pour ces enfants on 
le fera , c'est un probl?me humanitaire et pas seulement 
m?dical , on sait que ca n?cessite une preuve de 
cr?dibilit? ,il n?y a pas de probl?me donnez-nous seulement 
votre num?ro de fax et on vous faxera tout les documents 
n?cessaires de l?association , sur ce monsieur on vous 
prient de
 penser a ces enfant d?laiss?s par leurs parents et les 
siens et nous aider a les sauver .Et pour l?envoi ,vous 
n?avez qu?a le mettre dans un petite enveloppe et la mettre 
dans la poste a cette adresse de notre 
association :
 Dr.Laribi Samir
 association tous pour l?h?pital
 cit? des 30 logements n23 ZERALDA
 WILAYA ALGER ALGERIE
s?il vous pla?t voyer avec vos collegues et faite quelque 
chose .
si toutefois vous ne voyez pas de quelle pi?ce il s'agit ou 
que votre activit? ne vous permettent pas de s'occuper de 
l'envoi , envoyez-nous juste 250 ff par mandat postale ? 
l'adresse ci-dessus qui va surement nous aider ? acheter 
cette pi?ce.
voila notre adresse email :DR.laribi at carmail.com
 l'Association T.P.H ( tous pour l'hopital ) est une 
association qui travaille sous l'egide du mouvement 
associatif des m?decins b?n?voles.




______________________________________________________
Bo?te aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com


From cappello at legato.com  Mon Dec 18 19:14:40 2000
From: cappello at legato.com (Carl Appellof)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:14:40 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to discard spam without review
Message-ID: <D6ADB3E68C996249975FAC4D4B728A53358A89@POULSBO.legato.com>

Dan Mick says:
> 
> Edit SpamDetect.py; here's what I've added; the syslog stuff is
> just for my personal edification; you could merely make the 
> analagous changes to KNOWN_SPAMMERS and have the effect you want.
> 
> 28a29
> > from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
> 40c41
> < KNOWN_SPAMMERS = []
> ---
> > KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('from', 'danyb at earthlink.net'), ('from', 
> 'dannyb at dannybproductions.com'), ('from', 
> 'events at dannybproductions.com')]
> 57a59
> >             syslog("bounce", "message discarded: %s: %s" % 
> (header, regex))
> 

That gets me some of what I want.  Maybe your diffs didn't come through
correctly.  In SpamDetect.py, I think I need to replace the following lines:

            # we've detected spam
<            Hold.hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, SpamDetected)
            # no return

with
            # we've detected spam
>            syslog("bounce", "message discarded: %s: %s" % (header, regex))

            # no return

I basically ended up doing the same thing in a different place.

Thanks,
	Carl




From services at metagency.com  Mon Dec 18 22:27:46 2000
From: services at metagency.com (METAgency)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:27:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 doesn't work with Sendmail?
Message-ID: <v04210100b6643112280f@[64.42.17.178]>

Using v 1.1, it apparently it does not work for non-local users who 
try to subscribe.

The error message in smtp-failures:

Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at isp.com:
Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
sRefused  / {'user at isp.com': (550, '<user at isp.com>... Relaying
denied')}  (dequeued)

anyone know a workaround?

KD


---------------------------------------------------
METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com



From kd5de at nwla.com  Mon Dec 18 22:39:05 2000
From: kd5de at nwla.com (Mel Sojka)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:39:05 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 1.1 doesn't work with Sendmail?
References: <v04210100b6643112280f@[64.42.17.178]>
Message-ID: <3A3E83F9.E614DC92@nwla.com>

METAgency wrote:
> 
> Using v 1.1, it apparently it does not work for non-local users who
> try to subscribe.
> 
> The error message in smtp-failures:
> 
> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at isp.com:
> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:
> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
> sRefused  / {'user at isp.com': (550, '<user at isp.com>... Relaying
> denied')}  (dequeued)
> 
> anyone know a workaround?
> 
> KD
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> METAgency - Merchandise and Ecommerce Technology
> 775.284.8657 - http://www.metagency.com
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Well what is in your /etc/mail/access file and what version
sendmail?
							Mel
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From curly at apollo.wuacc.edu  Mon Dec 18 23:37:15 2000
From: curly at apollo.wuacc.edu (Joe Hewitt)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:37:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members hangs
In-Reply-To: <3A3E83F9.E614DC92@nwla.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012181635030.25631-100000@apollo.wuacc.edu>

I'm trying to get Mailman 2.0 Final running.  I created a test list, but
when I tried:

	 bin/add_members -n test.subs test

I got:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/add_members", line 221, in ?
    main()
  File "bin/add_members", line 170, in main
    ml = MailList.MailList(listname)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 77, in __init__
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1338, in Lock
    self.__lock.lock(timeout)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 286, in lock
    self.__sleep()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 424, in __sleep
    time.sleep(interval)
KeyboardInterrupt       


Has anyone seen this one before?

Thanks,
Joe




From Richard.Eames at flinders.edu.au  Tue Dec 19 00:05:50 2000
From: Richard.Eames at flinders.edu.au (Richard Eames)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:35:50 +1030
Subject: [Mailman-Users] verifying list password from command line
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001219093022.00a58430@post.flinders.edu.au>

Ok I know I could probably figure this out by looking at the Mailman scripts but I have to get this done quickly and don't have time to learn another programming language (and I can't get my efforts to work :-( due to Christmas rush brain fade).  Has anyone written a script which simply takes a password and checks it against a list password? If so could someone please post it or an example of something close to what I need. Any help much appreciated. (I'll learn Python next year when I get time to sit down).

             Much Thanks


PS Is there a repository of useful scripts etc for mailman ?



From fbarajas at sistec.com.mx  Tue Dec 19 00:27:18 2000
From: fbarajas at sistec.com.mx (Fernando Barajas)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:27:18 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error running check_perms
Message-ID: <006b01c0694a$153d5010$cd08f094@fer>

I'm having the following error when I try tu run check_perms:

[mailman at gordon mailman]$ bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
    checkmail()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
    mode = statmode(wrapper)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
    return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No existe el fichero o el directorio:
'/home/mailman/mail/wrapper'
[mailman at gordon mailman]$

And of course, the /home/mailman/mail/wrapper file does NOT exist.  I can't
find it!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Fernando Barajas D?az Lozano
SISTEMAS Y TECNOLOG?A DE MEXICO-Soluciones en Redes e Internet
http://www.sistec.com.mx




From kellan at protest.net  Mon Dec 18 23:58:04 2000
From: kellan at protest.net (kellan)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:58:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] obscuring email addresses
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012181754210.29082-100000@aristotle.anyday.com>

obscuring email addresses

i'm curious what is the recommended manner to obscure email addresses in
MailMan archives?

we found the 'ARCHIVER_OBSCURES_EMAILADDRS' but this seems to only apply
to the 'From:' field, and not to email addresses through out the body of
the messages.

looking through HyperArch I found the code which turns email addresses
into mailto:'s, it would seem to be relatively simple to add some code
here to do obscuring, but i was wondering if perhaps there was a more
elegant solution, one either already supported by MailMan, or at least one
that is less of a hack.

i'm surprised this feature isn't already in MailMan as several people have
detected a significant increase in spam since we made our archives
public.

thanks 
kellan




From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Dec 19 01:07:01 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:07:01 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtp-failures
References: <v04210104b66315c73287@[216.88.152.12]>
Message-ID: <3A3EA6A5.29226AB4@west.sun.com>


METAgency wrote:
> 
> When users from the net try to subscribe, they never get a
> confirmation. However, users with an address from our server have no
> problem subscribing/confirming.
> 
> /logs/smtp-failures gives a "relaying denied": error:
> 
> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at isp.com:
> Dec 17 16:40:57 2000 TrySMTPDelivery:
> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
> sRefused  / {'user at isp.com': (550, '<user at isp.com>... Relaying
> denied')}  (dequeued)
> 
> Relaying denied? How can this be?

Your sendmail is configured to disallow such mails, that's how.
Fix your sendmail config.



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Dec 19 01:12:21 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:12:21 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error running check_perms
References: <006b01c0694a$153d5010$cd08f094@fer>
Message-ID: <3A3EA7E5.D5EE61C6@west.sun.com>

What directory are you in when you run check_perms?  Where did you
install Mailman?

Fernando Barajas wrote:
> 
> I'm having the following error when I try tu run check_perms:
> 
> [mailman at gordon mailman]$ bin/check_perms
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
>     checkmail()
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
>     mode = statmode(wrapper)
>   File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
>     return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
> OSError: [Errno 2] No existe el fichero o el directorio:
> '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper'
> [mailman at gordon mailman]$
> 
> And of course, the /home/mailman/mail/wrapper file does NOT exist.  I can't
> find it!
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> Fernando Barajas D?az Lozano
> SISTEMAS Y TECNOLOG?A DE MEXICO-Soluciones en Redes e Internet
> http://www.sistec.com.mx
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Funk.Gabor at hunetkft.hu  Tue Dec 19 01:28:26 2000
From: Funk.Gabor at hunetkft.hu (Funk Gabor)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:28:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web error correction
Message-ID: <000601c06952$9a65c710$3364a8c0@maques>

on http://www.list.org/faq.html at question
Q. Okay, the archive link works, but I can't access the public archives. Why? 
A. If you are using Apache, you must make sure that FollowSymLinks is enabled...
 ...See this archive message for more details:
http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000173.html 

I strongly fee that the link should be this one below:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000150.html




From bob at nleaudio.com  Tue Dec 19 01:45:33 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:45:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web error correction
References: <000601c06952$9a65c710$3364a8c0@maques>
Message-ID: <3A3EAFAD.DDE363A@nleaudio.com>

BTW, List.org is dead.. in that the index file is the default RedHat page.. Nothing to do with mailman!  Been like that for a couple days.

Bob



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Dec 19 01:42:12 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:42:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web error correction
References: <000601c06952$9a65c710$3364a8c0@maques>
Message-ID: <3A3EAEE4.58EB94E8@west.sun.com>


Funk Gabor wrote:
> 
> on http://www.list.org/faq.html at question
> Q. Okay, the archive link works, but I can't access the public archives. Why?
> A. If you are using Apache, you must make sure that FollowSymLinks is enabled...
>  ...See this archive message for more details:
> http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000173.html
> 
> I strongly fee that the link should be this one below:
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1998-November/000150.html

Yeah, the archives had to be regenerated recently; we should probably subsume
the content of that post into the FAQ directly.



From joygeck at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 19 02:27:52 2000
From: joygeck at hotmail.com (Joy Geck)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:27:52 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Annoying emails
Message-ID: <F168oVaE7WD84jBtwui00003331@hotmail.com>

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From sobered at home.com  Tue Dec 19 05:13:52 2000
From: sobered at home.com (Samantha)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:13:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Starting a List
Message-ID: <004201c06972$23d4a2e0$0300a8c0@arnold>

I run a few mailing lists and would like to start one with the domain name I
have. The only problem is that I'm 100% computer dumb with all the scripts
that I found on your webpage. Is there an easy "how-to" anywhere on there
that I can use?




From fred at mail.rons.net.cn  Tue Dec 19 16:52:05 2000
From: fred at mail.rons.net.cn (Hong Feng)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:52:05 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <3A3F8425.2CE02186@mail.rons.net.cn>

 



From gjp at in-addr.com  Tue Dec 19 09:17:54 2000
From: gjp at in-addr.com (Gary Palmer)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 03:17:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance problem building archives?
Message-ID: <74702.977213874@in-addr.com>

Hi,

We have Mailman 2.0 (release) with Python 2.0 on a Sun E250 with a
400MHz CPU and plenty of memory.  We're running one of our internal
lists through it right now, and it seems that there may be a
performance problem in generating the web indexes for the archives.
While writing out "date.html" it takes a long time (typically 8
seconds or so), causing delivery of the mail to the list recipients to
take 20 odd seconds from the time the queue runner starts, and 20
seconds each message after that.  The list has received several
hundred messages in the past 2 weeks, which is where I believe the
problem originates.  (I was watching the queue runner with truss,
which is why I was able to pin down the problem to generating a
particular file).

Has anyone else running MailMan 2.0 with Python 2.0 and high-volume
lists seen a similar problem?  Is it limited to the UltraSPARC CPU?
Any hints on how to solve this problem?  Keeping archives isn't really
an option, although going to weekly indexes may be a solution.

Thanks,

Gary



From CwJohnso at bindview.com  Tue Dec 19 19:36:28 2000
From: CwJohnso at bindview.com (Johnson, Chris)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:36:28 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] I want to learn python and help
Message-ID: <82D9E4BB02AED311855D0008C756FEBDA2F036@BVEW>

Hello every one:

I just finished the 'learning python' book a few monthes ago. I am the kind
to learn by doing. 

I would like to help out any way I can. My day job is qa testing.

Is there a simple coding project I could learn on for you guys ?

Is there a particuler way you need this to be tested so I can learn how the
code works?

I just want to get my hands dirty and become a good python coder.

Just let me know. I saw the wish list.





 fyi you probably know this.
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers was unavailable
for me to subscribe.





From ken at kyler.com  Tue Dec 19 23:22:20 2000
From: ken at kyler.com (Ken Kyler)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:22:20 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a message
Message-ID: <HGEHJFNKJELMCFEIEDGIAEIPCKAA.ken@kyler.com>

I need to delete a specific message in a list.  The FAQ says:

Q. I want to get rid of some messages in my archive. How do I do this?
A. David Rocher posts the following recipe:
  remove $prefix/archives/private/listname
  edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox [optional]
  run $prefix/bin/arch listname

So - stupid question I guess - I don't see any scripts or commands called
remove, edit or run.  Can someone be a bit more specific?

Ken




From ashley at pcraft.com  Tue Dec 19 23:52:20 2000
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:52:20 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] test
Message-ID: <3A3FE6A4.4048FCCD@pcraft.com>

    This is a test of the emergency broadcast system.  If this was a
real emergency, do you think you're doing the right thing still sitting
there and reading this message?

    (seriously, I'm getting email bounced from this address)

    AMK4

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From reb at taco.com  Tue Dec 19 23:52:18 2000
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a message
In-Reply-To: <HGEHJFNKJELMCFEIEDGIAEIPCKAA.ken@kyler.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001219174954.02ab4050@taco.com>

At 05:22 PM 12/19/2000 -0500, Ken Kyler wrote:
>I need to delete a specific message in a list.  The FAQ says:
>
>Q. I want to get rid of some messages in my archive. How do I do this?
>A. David Rocher posts the following recipe:

Okay, here we go...

>   remove $prefix/archives/private/listname
Use the appropriate OS command to remove the list archive directory...

>   edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox [optional]
Use your favorite editor to remove the offending message from the
listname.mbox file


>   run $prefix/bin/arch listname
Run the "arch" utility to recreate the archive.  You can also call it
like this:

arch listname /path/to/listname.mbox

>So - stupid question I guess - I don't see any scripts or commands called
>remove, edit or run.  Can someone be a bit more specific?

I hope that helps.

reb




From johnny at cathat.net  Wed Dec 20 00:01:23 2000
From: johnny at cathat.net (Johnny Fuerst)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:01:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a message
In-Reply-To: <HGEHJFNKJELMCFEIEDGIAEIPCKAA.ken@kyler.com>; from ken@kyler.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:22:20PM -0500
References: <HGEHJFNKJELMCFEIEDGIAEIPCKAA.ken@kyler.com>
Message-ID: <20001219170123.A1244@cathat.net>

On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 05:22:20PM -0500, Ken Kyler wrote:
> I need to delete a specific message in a list.  The FAQ says:
> 
> Q. I want to get rid of some messages in my archive. How do I do this?
> A. David Rocher posts the following recipe:
>   remove $prefix/archives/private/listname
>   edit $prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox [optional]
>   run $prefix/bin/arch listname
> 
> So - stupid question I guess - I don't see any scripts or commands called
> remove, edit or run.  Can someone be a bit more specific?

These aren't commands, per se. These are, rather, the actions that need to
be done to certain files listed.

For example:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
**Note: In these following instances, you will see '$prefix/'. When you
are applying my examples, don't actually type '$prefix/', rather type the
directory on your system where mailman resides. Comprende?

remove the file called "$prefix/archives/private/listname"
	['listname' representing the name of the list in question]
	[Use a command such as 'rm']

Next:
edit the file called "$prefix/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox"
	['listname.mbox/listname.mbox' representing actual list in question]
	[This is to remove the message you were writing about]
	[Use a text editor to do this.]

Lastly:
run the program called "$prefix/bin/arch listname"
	['listname' representing the name of the list in question]
	[To run, type '<mailman-directory-here/bin/arch listname']

Let me know if that clears things up, after going through this e-mail a
couple of times. ;)

Sincerely,
Johnny

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Opinions stated in this message are mine and mine alone, and
do not necessarily represent those of my ISP/employer!
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From Funk.Gabor at hunetkft.hu  Wed Dec 20 01:18:41 2000
From: Funk.Gabor at hunetkft.hu (Funk Gabor)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:18:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web error correction
Message-ID: <015f01c06a1a$682d7f40$3364a8c0@maques>

>>Yeah, the archives had to be regenerated recently; we should
>>probably subsume the content of that post into the FAQ directly.

I didn't "dare" to suggest that, but I guess thats the best solution.
(And it doesn't take up much space)




From cht at ccil.org  Wed Dec 20 17:27:16 2000
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:27:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request for comments
In-Reply-To: <20001219170123.A1244@cathat.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001220112356.14863D-100000@locke.ccil.org>

Hi,

I been listening and learning for a few weeks.  I work with several small
human service lists running mailman.  I learned that the BOD of our ISP is
considering outsourcing and changing from Linux to NT.  This after the
servers were rebuilt and changed to Linux last spring.  All of the tech
folks are not happy with this as it is a waste of their time.  NO one that
I know wants to migrate to windows.  For one thing much of our work is
done from a remote site.

I would appreciate any comments that you folks out there would wish to
pass along. 

 Del Thomas




From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com  Wed Dec 20 16:05:22 2000
From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis Lacayo)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:05:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Quick Question.....
Message-ID: <17D26129D897D4119DC700D0B7A9361AE889@USMAIL01.exlibris-usa.com>

I have just installed/upgraded to version 2.0 of mailman. My problem is that
whenever I send a message out to one of my lists.  The message is not
distributed to the members of the list.  Also I am not able to view the
WebPages as I did before.  

Any Ideas on where I broke the list? 

thanks is advance. 

Luis



From over at ees2.oulu.fi  Wed Dec 20 16:46:17 2000
From: over at ees2.oulu.fi (Mika Ylianttila)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:46:17 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Q: Mailman & Qmail
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012201743070.12540-100000@stekt60>

  The installation procedure seemed to go ok, but when I run
the check_perms, I get the following error message:

/home/mailman>bin/check_perms
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 281, in ?
    checkmail()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 202, in checkmail
    mode = statmode(wrapper)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 74, in statmode
    return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/mailman/mail/wrapper'

  Any help appreciated,

mIka




From pete at smtl.co.uk  Wed Dec 20 17:34:58 2000
From: pete at smtl.co.uk (Pete Phillips)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:34:58 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. problem
Message-ID: <200012201634.QAA12461@crusher.smtl.co.uk>

Hi

I'm sure there is a simple answer to this problem, but I've spent all
afternoon on it and no joy so far.

When I send a reply to the list regarding a subscription, I get this
in my sendmail log:

Dec 20 16:22:16 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?) 
Dec 20 16:22:16 ds9 sendmail[16424]: eBKGMG416423:
to="|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailmantest",
ctladdr=<mailmantest-request at smtl.co.uk> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=60013, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown
mailer error 2

I have tried configuring with  --with-mail-gid=mail  
daemon and mailman. Whatever I put here doesn't make any difference to
the error - always WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12

Apart from this it seems to work fine :-(

Pete


--
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Surgical Materials Testing Lab,     | A web site dedicated to medical
Princess of Wales Hospital, S. Wales| disposables, dressings, wound care
Fax: +44 1656-752830 pete at smtl.co.uk| and biosurgery (maggot therapy).



From LongL at doubletwist.com  Wed Dec 20 17:51:53 2000
From: LongL at doubletwist.com (Long Li)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:51:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Please help: confirmation redireted to post address!
Message-ID: <3D82EFC06BB9D311B0940090277C086C019525E5@exchange.panbio.com>

Dear All
When I switched the option "Where are replies to list messages directed? "
from "Poster" to "This List", all replies to "list-request"  are also
directed to list's post address. This happens when  new users confirm his
subscription by replying to "list-request" address which has been changed to
post address. Could someone let me know what may cause this? 
 
Thanks.
 
Long  



From ncooler at nandomedia.com  Wed Dec 20 17:55:36 2000
From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler)
Date: 20 Dec 2000 11:55:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. 
	problem
In-Reply-To: <200012201634.QAA12461@crusher.smtl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200012201656.LAA19150@storm.nando.net>

Try --with-mail-gid=12

--Neil


On 20 Dec 2000 16:34:58 +0000, Pete Phillips wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm sure there is a simple answer to this problem, but I've spent all
> afternoon on it and no joy so far.
> 
> When I send a reply to the list regarding a subscription, I get this
> in my sendmail log:
> 
> Dec 20 16:22:16 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?) 
> Dec 20 16:22:16 ds9 sendmail[16424]: eBKGMG416423:
> to="|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailmantest",
> ctladdr=<mailmantest-request at smtl.co.uk> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=60013, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown
> mailer error 2
> 
> I have tried configuring with  --with-mail-gid=mail  
> daemon and mailman. Whatever I put here doesn't make any difference to
> the error - always WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12
> 
> Apart from this it seems to work fine :-(
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> --
> Pete Phillips, Deputy Director,     | Visit  http://www.smtl.co.uk/ 
> Surgical Materials Testing Lab,     | A web site dedicated to medical
> Princess of Wales Hospital, S. Wales| disposables, dressings, wound care
> Fax: +44 1656-752830 pete at smtl.co.uk| and biosurgery (maggot therapy).
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From jsintz at ohiohistory.org  Wed Dec 20 17:57:26 2000
From: jsintz at ohiohistory.org (James Sintz)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:57:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
	 problem
Message-ID: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53DF@COM>

Have you specifically reconfigured using --with-mail-gid=12 ?

You say you have tried to configure with gid=mail daemon and mailman. What
are the group id's of those on your system? If one of those is 12 then I
have NO idea what is going on, but if none of those are 12, reconfigure
using --with-mail-gid=12

Jamey



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Pete Phillips [SMTP:pete at smtl.co.uk]
> Sent:	Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:35 AM
> To:	mailman-users at python.org
> Subject:	[Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec
> script. problem
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm sure there is a simple answer to this problem, but I've spent all
> afternoon on it and no joy so far.
> 
> When I send a reply to the list regarding a subscription, I get this
> in my sendmail log:
> 
> Dec 20 16:22:16 ds9 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
> WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12.  (Reconfigure to take 12?) 
> Dec 20 16:22:16 ds9 sendmail[16424]: eBKGMG416423:
> to="|/share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailmantest",
> ctladdr=<mailmantest-request at smtl.co.uk> (8/0), delay=00:00:00,
> xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=60013, dsn=5.3.0, stat=unknown
> mailer error 2
> 
> I have tried configuring with  --with-mail-gid=mail  
> daemon and mailman. Whatever I put here doesn't make any difference to
> the error - always WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 12
> 
> Apart from this it seems to work fine :-(
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> --
> Pete Phillips, Deputy Director,     | Visit  http://www.smtl.co.uk/ 
> Surgical Materials Testing Lab,     | A web site dedicated to medical
> Princess of Wales Hospital, S. Wales| disposables, dressings, wound care
> Fax: +44 1656-752830 pete at smtl.co.uk| and biosurgery (maggot therapy).
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From wheakory at isu.edu  Thu Dec 21 06:02:55 2000
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:02:55 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0
Message-ID: <3A418EFF.BEB143B3@isu.edu>

   I just upgraded from mailman1.1 to mailman2.0 on a Linux Red Hat 6.2
machine.
Everything went fine I can view the lists and administer the lists
through the apache server, accept when I send a message or
create a new list, I and nobody else subscribed to the list receives the
message. I have a symbolic link in the /etc/smrsh
pointing to the wrapper script in mailman. I looked in /var/spool/mqueue
for queued mail and there is nothing there, I looked in
/home/mailman/qfiles and data  and nothing is there. I don't even get an
error message, so I can't really troubleshoot it.
The messages do archive though I can go and look in the private and
public archive and they appear there, but nobody receives the message.
I also have always ran majordomo and mailman on this box and majordomo
is working fine. Any ideas my MTA Agent
is SENDMAIL 8.9.3.

Please send a replied email directly to wheakory at isu.edu

I would greatly appreciate it. I have 200 lists that I need to be active
for our university.

--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com  Wed Dec 20 18:51:09 2000
From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis Lacayo)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:51:09 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] yet another question
Message-ID: <17D26129D897D4119DC700D0B7A9361AE88F@USMAIL01.exlibris-usa.com>

I have been getting this error 

"Bug in Mailman version 2.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find
this information in the Mailman error logs. "

any Ideas...  I was able to get to the lists before.  

Thanks

Luis



From over at ees2.oulu.fi  Wed Dec 20 19:18:25 2000
From: over at ees2.oulu.fi (Mika Ylianttila)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:18:25 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Q: Mailman & Qmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012201743070.12540-100000@stekt60>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012202014420.12702-100000@stekt60>

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Mika Ylianttila wrote:

>  The installation procedure seemed to go ok, but when I run
>the check_perms, I get the following error message:
--> solved

  Now I should have it almost ready, but now I face a problem when running
the bin/newlist. I do not get a notification though the new list creation
process seems to go fine. I guess the problem is somewhere in the qmail
settings. Any hints?

mIka




From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com  Wed Dec 20 19:30:53 2000
From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis Lacayo)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:30:53 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Q: Mailman & Qmail
Message-ID: <17D26129D897D4119DC700D0B7A9361AE891@USMAIL01.exlibris-usa.com>

Mika, 

Check the /$prefix/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py the SMTP server. 

Luis

-----Original Message-----
From: Mika Ylianttila [mailto:over at ees2.oulu.fi]
Sent: Wed, December 20, 2000 12:18 PM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Q: Mailman & Qmail


On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Mika Ylianttila wrote:

>  The installation procedure seemed to go ok, but when I run
>the check_perms, I get the following error message:
--> solved

  Now I should have it almost ready, but now I face a problem when running
the bin/newlist. I do not get a notification though the new list creation
process seems to go fine. I guess the problem is somewhere in the qmail
settings. Any hints?

mIka


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From over at ees2.oulu.fi  Wed Dec 20 19:55:12 2000
From: over at ees2.oulu.fi (Mika Ylianttila)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:55:12 +0200 (EET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Q: Mailman & Qmail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012202014420.12702-100000@stekt60>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0012202051350.12747-100000@stekt60>

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Mika Ylianttila wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Mika Ylianttila wrote:
>
>>  The installation procedure seemed to go ok, but when I run
>>the check_perms, I get the following error message:
>--> solved
>
>  Now I should have it almost ready, but now I face a problem when running
>the bin/newlist. I do not get a notification though the new list creation
>process seems to go fine. I guess the problem is somewhere in the qmail
>settings. Any hints?

  To be more specific, I get the following instrcutions by bin/newlist,
but I do not get any info via e-mail:

--
To create system aliases:

   echo '|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test' >~alias/.qmail-test
   echo '|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test'
>~alias/.qmail-test-admin
   echo '|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test'
>~alias/.qmail-test-request
   echo '&test-admin' >~alias/.qmail-owner-test
   echo '&test-admin' >~alias/.qmail-test-owner
   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-test ~alias/.qmail-test-admin
   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-test-request ~alias/.qmail-test-owner
   chmod 644 ~alias/.qmail-owner-test

---

  What should I do with the qmail settings? I tried the chmods and
added the aliases, but nothing happened. What does these echo lines
mean ...?

mIka




From Baggioto at atlas.unisinos.br  Wed Dec 20 19:59:49 2000
From: Baggioto at atlas.unisinos.br (Luiz Alfredo Baggioto)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:59:49 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription of an user
Message-ID: <3A40E583.21881.505FD3E@localhost>

Hello

I was looked for a solution in Archives of the list, but any 
procedure that I was found has resulted... :-(
My problem is unsubscribe a user. The mail of he is similar of it:

"stupid at domain.com"@otherdomain.com

Thanks in advance

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Luiz Alfredo Baggiotto
   E-Mail: baggioto at atlas.unisinos.br
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Analista de Suporte          DSI / SISCOM
Universidade do Vale do Rio dos Sinos - UNISINOS
Fone: 55 51 590-8386         Ramal: 1886



From satyap at satya.virtualave.net  Wed Dec 20 20:02:41 2000
From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:32:41 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] yet another question
In-Reply-To: <17D26129D897D4119DC700D0B7A9361AE88F@USMAIL01.exlibris-usa.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012210031450.1710-100000@hal9k.myip.org>

On Dec 20, 2000 at 11:51, Luis Lacayo wrote:

>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
>traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited,
>but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. "
>
>any Ideas...  I was able to get to the lists before.  

Look in mailman's logs.
Turn traceback on.

-- 
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US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see <URL:http://quickapps.cjb.net/>
As I said before, I never repeat myself.




From jkotran at atl.lmco.com  Wed Dec 20 20:02:51 2000
From: jkotran at atl.lmco.com (Joseph Kotran)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:02:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 2.0
References: <3A418EFF.BEB143B3@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <3A41025B.AC056FD6@atl.lmco.com>

Hello,

	I have experienced the same exact problem that Kory has documented.  If
someone knows of a fix please let the user's group know.  I have several
lists that are down because of this.

				Best regards,

_______________________________________________________________________

Joseph Kotran				Lead Systems Administrator

Lockheed Martin				E-mail: jkotran at atl.lmco.com
Advanced Technology Laboratories	Phone:  856.338.4327
1 Federal St A&E 312			Fax:	856.338.4121
Camden NJ USA 08102			Web:	http://www.atl.lmco.com



From claw at kanga.nu  Thu Dec 21 00:25:54 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:25:54 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request for comments 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Cordell H. Thomas" <cht@ccil.org> 
   of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:27:16 EST." <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001220112356.14863D-100000@locke.ccil.org> 
References: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001220112356.14863D-100000@locke.ccil.org> 
Message-ID: <15717.977354754@kanga.nu>

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:27:16 -0500 (EST) 
Cordell H Thomas <cht at ccil.org> wrote:

> Hi, I been listening and learning for a few weeks.  I work with
> several small human service lists running mailman.  I learned that
> the BOD of our ISP is considering outsourcing and changing from
> Linux to NT.  This after the servers were rebuilt and changed to
> Linux last spring.  All of the tech folks are not happy with this
> as it is a waste of their time.  NO one that I know wants to
> migrate to windows.  For one thing much of our work is done from a
> remote site.

> I would appreciate any comments that you folks out there would
> wish to pass along.

In essence, as a customer, you are left with one statement:

  If you move to NT you will lose us as customers.

Whether that is effective or not is another matter.

At this point I'm reminded of a story of a friend of a friend who,
shortly after signing a three year lease on an apartment, was told
the owner of the apartment wanted it back so they could move in.
His reply, literally:

  "Stick 'em up!  This is going to cost you..."

Simple and to the point.

-- 
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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec 21 00:56:44 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:56:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0final bin/withlist patch for -r and -l available
Message-ID: <200012202355.PAA25995@utopia.west.sun.com>

Users of bin/withlist may have noticed that the -r and -l options
were broken in 2.0final; I just uploaded a SourceForge patch
to fix that (and I've asked Barry what he wants to do process-wise
with little nitty fixes like this).


http://sourceforge.net/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=102974&group_id=103




From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com  Thu Dec 21 01:02:02 2000
From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis Lacayo)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:02:02 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Swish-e and mailman
Message-ID: <17D26129D897D4119DC700D0B7A9361AE89F@USMAIL01.exlibris-usa.com>

Is anyone using swish-e to index and search their lists on mailman 2.0?  Is
there another product that I can use?  

thanks

Luis



From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Dec 21 01:11:05 2000
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:11:05 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Interface
Message-ID: <3A414A99.B8CE55CA@pcraft.com>

    I host a few mailing lists on my server and I'm wondering if there's
a way to see all the lists through the web interface.  Like, when
someone goes to http://<server>/mailman/admin, they only see those lists
for which the respective owners set to be advertised.  As the server
owner/admin, is there any way for me to be able to see all the lists,
regardless of them being visible or not (aside from having to log onto
the server and listing the directories in ~mailman/lists/ ) ?

    AMK4

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From scott-brown at home.com  Thu Dec 21 03:57:09 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:57:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman through a proxy
Message-ID: <000401c06af9$b67e37e0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

In order to get around that lovely suexec problem, I've proxied my mailman
requests through http://localhost:8000

This gets mailman to work... but I've just noticed a side effect... on the
listinfo page, I get the following statement:

	There currently are no publicly-advertised mailman mailing lists on
localhost

Obviously, this is due to the proxy - I'm wondering if anyone has a patch
available to allow mailman to recognize when it's been proxied, and deal
with the refering URL as if it was it's own?





From scott-brown at home.com  Thu Dec 21 05:08:16 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:08:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone have a patch to Barry's log rotater so it works with 2.0??
Message-ID: <001501c06b03$a5973d00$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Went looking through sourceforge tonight...

Found a log rotater...[ Patch #101847 ] Log rotation which mails admin with
errors.


Tried it... and it dies on

	Utils.SendTextToUser('Mailman Log Report -- %s' % time.ctime(time.time()),
		text, mm_cfg.MAILMAN_OWNER, mm_cfg.MAILMAN_OWNER)

since Utils.SentTextToUser doesnt exist in the version 2.0 Utils.py... or
any *.py module in $prefix/Mailman/


Does anyone know how to patch this to get it to work?




From jbednar at ican.net  Thu Dec 21 05:41:15 2000
From: jbednar at ican.net (ican.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:41:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unwanted email
Message-ID: <003101c06b08$473463a0$4699fed8@cr129510a>

I am receiving emails from people wanting to unsubscribe from some newsletter.  Please check into this problem. This is my personal email, and cant understand why I am getting it.  The emails I am receiving are written as follows:
 

Please UNSUBSCRIBE me from your list

> On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Amin wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> jobreport mailing list
> jobreport at lists.talentlab.com
> http://lists.talentlab.com/mailman/listinfo/jobreport
> 

_______________________________________________
jobreport mailing list
jobreport at lists.talentlab.com
http://lists.talentlab.com/mailman/listinfo/jobreport
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From pete at smtl.co.uk  Thu Dec 21 10:15:39 2000
From: pete at smtl.co.uk (Pete Phillips)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:15:39 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. problem 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:57:26 EST."
             <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53DF@COM> 
References: <2BD14575E16CD111BFCA00600896EA4B2F53DF@COM>
Message-ID: <200012210915.JAA09731@crusher.smtl.co.uk>

Hi

>>>>> "James" == James Sintz <jsintz at ohiohistory.org> writes:

    James> Have you specifically reconfigured using --with-mail-gid=12
    James> ?

Yes I have.
In /etc/group I have this:
   mail::12:mail

In my sendmail.cf I have this:
   O DefaultUser=8:12

(8 is the UID for mail)

Wen running configure I see this:

       checking for mail wrapper GID... 12

However,

$ ls -al /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper 
-rwxr-sr-x   1 mailman  mailman     31155 Dec 21 09:08 /share/mailman/linux/mail/wrapper

Should it be set sgid to mailman or should it be something like mail
(or daemon ?).


    James> You say you have tried to configure with gid=mail daemon
    James> and mailman. What are the group id's of those on your
    James> system? If one of those is 12 then I have NO idea what is
    James> going on, but if none of those are 12, reconfigure using
    James> --with-mail-gid=12

GIDs from /etc/group

root::0:root
bin::1:root,bin,daemon
daemon::2:root,bin,daemon
mail::12:mail
mailman::60:

Pete



From m at whiteywillpay.net  Thu Dec 21 16:05:46 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:05:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012211003380.56576-100000@qenni.pair.com>

Hello,

A customer of ours has a mailing list that includes a large number of AOL
users.  When these users send mail, everything works fine with non-digest
mode.  However, with other (non-AOL) list members with digest set get the
mail, each line is appended with a =20, making it very hard to read.  The
list manager has informed me that AOL apparantly uses some sort of
semi-HTML format for emails (I am not 100% sure if this is true or not).
Does anyone know of a possible way to work around this?  Thanks.

Matt Singerman
pair Networks
http://pairlist.net/




From reb at taco.com  Thu Dec 21 16:15:49 2000
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012211003380.56576-100000@qenni.pair.com>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001221101434.02c84008@taco.com>

At 10:05 AM 12/21/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>A customer of ours has a mailing list that includes a large number of AOL
>users.  When these users send mail, everything works fine with non-digest
>mode.  However, with other (non-AOL) list members with digest set get the
>mail, each line is appended with a =20, making it very hard to read.  The
>list manager has informed me that AOL apparantly uses some sort of
>semi-HTML format for emails (I am not 100% sure if this is true or not).
>Does anyone know of a possible way to work around this?  Thanks.

I've seen this too and I'm told that it's a particular problem with AOHell folk
using the "new, improved" AOHell 6.0 software where it is impossible to
turn this "feature" off.

reb




From msheldon at desertraven.com  Thu Dec 21 16:31:13 2000
From: msheldon at desertraven.com (Michael Sheldon)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:31:13 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012211003380.56576-100000@qenni.pair.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBIPLLLJKGONMBALBBIEOICDAA.msheldon@desertraven.com>

Well, AOL does use a limited HTML set, but this is not what you're seeing.
What you're seeing is a Content-Transfer-Encoding of quoted-printable. It's
used to encode 8-bit characters into 7-bit, and to preserve line wrapping as
it was typed by the sender.

Michael J. Sheldon
http://www.desertraven.com/
Make a fast friend, adopt a greyhound!


-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Matt Singerman
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 08:06
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail


Hello,

A customer of ours has a mailing list that includes a large number of AOL
users.  When these users send mail, everything works fine with non-digest
mode.  However, with other (non-AOL) list members with digest set get the
mail, each line is appended with a =20, making it very hard to read.  The
list manager has informed me that AOL apparantly uses some sort of
semi-HTML format for emails (I am not 100% sure if this is true or not).
Does anyone know of a possible way to work around this?  Thanks.

Matt Singerman
pair Networks
http://pairlist.net/


------------------------------------------------------
Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From ppe at albert.com  Thu Dec 21 16:46:54 2000
From: ppe at albert.com (Pablo Pernot)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:46:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & postfix
Message-ID: <3A4225EE.50900@albert.com>

I'm looking for information about mailman with postfix .
thanks
Pablo


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From m at whiteywillpay.net  Thu Dec 21 16:47:40 2000
From: m at whiteywillpay.net (Matt Singerman)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:47:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail
In-Reply-To: <NEBBIPLLLJKGONMBALBBIEOICDAA.msheldon@desertraven.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.30.0012211046520.57335-100000@qenni.pair.com>

Okay, thanks...  Is there a way to work around this issue?

Matt Singerman
pair Networks
http://pairlist.net/

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Michael Sheldon wrote:

> Well, AOL does use a limited HTML set, but this is not what you're seeing.
> What you're seeing is a Content-Transfer-Encoding of quoted-printable. It's
> used to encode 8-bit characters into 7-bit, and to preserve line wrapping as
> it was typed by the sender.
>
> Michael J. Sheldon
> http://www.desertraven.com/
> Make a fast friend, adopt a greyhound!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Matt Singerman
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 08:06
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with AOL mail
>
>
> Hello,
>
> A customer of ours has a mailing list that includes a large number of AOL
> users.  When these users send mail, everything works fine with non-digest
> mode.  However, with other (non-AOL) list members with digest set get the
> mail, each line is appended with a =20, making it very hard to read.  The
> list manager has informed me that AOL apparantly uses some sort of
> semi-HTML format for emails (I am not 100% sure if this is true or not).
> Does anyone know of a possible way to work around this?  Thanks.
>
> Matt Singerman
> pair Networks
> http://pairlist.net/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From rspatil at pn3.vsnl.net.in  Thu Dec 21 17:19:40 2000
From: rspatil at pn3.vsnl.net.in (R. S. Patil)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:49:40 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SOS
Message-ID: <3A422D9B.7E486430@pn3.vsnl.net.in>

Dear Sir,

Your Mailman is being used at mers.com for bibexpress news group.
Its sending me mail of digest every five minutes and jammimg my mail-box

can u help me and releave my mailbox.

Thanks

rspatil at pn3.vsnl.net.in





From jcrey at uma.es  Thu Dec 21 13:16:33 2000
From: jcrey at uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:16:33 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Catalog - Translating Mailman
Message-ID: <3A41F4A1.A8FA9150@uma.es>

Tha Mailman internationalization project is in a very advanced state,
and in need of help to translate into as many languages as possible.

Anyone who wants to translate mailman into his mother tongue, should
translate
1) Templates
2) This catalog

Open projects:
-------------
Dutch - Sender Steffan
Italian - Pioppo & Francesco Lentini
Portuguesse - Paulo Schreiner
Czech - Dan Ohnesorg
Chinesse - michael at xlinux.com
French - Mathias Saou
Slovak - Juraj Beduar
Spanish - Juan C Rey

Catalog may change subject CVS modifications.

Cheers
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From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Dec 21 19:19:05 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:19:05 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone have a patch to Barry's log rotater so it 
 works with 2.0??
References: <001501c06b03$a5973d00$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <3A424999.C62E3BB@nleaudio.com>

..and on perhaps another level...

Is there a way in Mailman to have it generate a report say 
once a week or so that gives an activity report per list?

Bob



From ashley at pcraft.com  Thu Dec 21 19:24:11 2000
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:24:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone have a patch to Barry's log rotater so it 
 works with 2.0??
References: <001501c06b03$a5973d00$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> <3A424999.C62E3BB@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <3A424ACB.EBC970B8@pcraft.com>

"Bob Puff at NLE" wrote:

> Is there a way in Mailman to have it generate a report say
> once a week or so that gives an activity report per list?

    If you happen to find a solution for this, I'm also interested.

    I'd like to monitor how many msgs each of my lists generate (on any
given interval).

    AMK4

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  SysAdmin / Websmith                           .     800.441.3873 x130
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From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Dec 21 19:37:34 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:37:34 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
Message-ID: <3A424DEE.A5E3197F@nleaudio.com>

Any idea why this was rejected?  I have to send through another mail server to keep from 
getting my messages bounced from python.org...

Bob
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From abouheit at t-surf.com  Thu Dec 21 20:11:30 2000
From: abouheit at t-surf.com (Fouad Abouheit)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:11:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customization
Message-ID: <NEBBLHBFNEIHKLPLADDMAENECGAA.abouheit@t-surf.com>

Hello,
I really congratulate you on the great achievement of Mailman.
I just have one question that might be silly: how do I change the very first
GUI not the Lists but the admin one?

Thank you for your help in advance.

Fouad Abouheit
System Engineer
abouheit at T-Surf.com
(713)787-0746 ext. 21
T-Surf Corporation
11011 Richmond Ave., Suite 350
Houston, TX 77042




From dan at ssc.com  Thu Dec 21 21:04:53 2000
From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:04:53 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
In-Reply-To: <3A424DEE.A5E3197F@nleaudio.com>; from bob@nleaudio.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:37:34PM -0500
References: <3A424DEE.A5E3197F@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <20001221120453.A8981@ssc.com>

On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:37:34PM -0500, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
> Any idea why this was rejected?  I have to send through another mail server to keep from 
> getting my messages bounced from python.org...
> 
> Bob
> X-From_: MAILER-DAEMON  Thu Dec 21 13:08:18 2000
> >From bob  Thu Dec 21 13:08:18 2000
> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:08:18 -0500 (EST)
> From: MAILER-DAEMON at nlenet.net (Mail Delivery System)
> Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
> To: bob at nleaudio.com
> X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
> 
Content-Description: Notification
> This is the Postfix program at host main.nlenet.net.
> 
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
> below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
> 
> For further assistance, please contact <postmaster at nlenet.net>
> 
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
> delete your own text from the message returned below.
> 
> 			The Postfix program
> 
> <mailman-users at python.org>: host new.python.org[63.102.49.31] said: 554
>     <mailman-users at python.org>: Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied
> 

Sounds like "new.python.org", which is the SMTP greeting (and
the A hostname) given by the host whose CNAME is mail.python.org, 
is having its anti-relay configuration tweaked.

Hmm.

python.org.             1D IN MX        50 mail.python.org.
mail.python.org.        23h55m20s IN CNAME  new.python.org.
new.python.org.         23h55m20s IN A  63.102.49.31

Oops.  Not a great idea to have an MX point to a CNAME.  That'll
buy python.org trouble in some circles.  Hopefully that's a temporary
expedient.  Sorry, don't have my references handy to cite chapter and 
verse.  But that's not likely the difficulty you're running into.

I'd guess it isn't where you're sending from (unless where you're
sending from is listed with ORBS or some other RBL list), but 
when you're sending.  Seems to work from here, at the moment:

$ telnet mail.python.org 25
Trying 63.102.49.31...
Connected to new.python.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mail.python.org ESMTP Postfix (Postfix-19991231-pl13)
helo mail.ssc.com
250 mail.python.org
mail from: dan at ssc.com
250 Ok
rcpt to: mailman-users at python.org
250 Ok
quit
221 Bye
Connection closed by foreign host.


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From tpot at linuxcare.com.au  Thu Dec 21 22:31:43 2000
From: tpot at linuxcare.com.au (Tim Potter)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:31:43 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & postfix
In-Reply-To: <3A4225EE.50900@albert.com>
References: <3A4225EE.50900@albert.com>
Message-ID: <14914.30399.121037.184741@stamp-collection.linuxcare.com.au>

Pablo Pernot writes:

> I'm looking for information about mailman with postfix .
> thanks
> Pablo

It works fine for me.  Just set up mailman, set up postfix and
you're away.  No special configuration required.


Tim.




From LFlynn at littler.com  Thu Dec 21 22:58:13 2000
From: LFlynn at littler.com (Flynn, Lauri)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:58:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I unsubscribe a bad address
Message-ID: <8310030B08C3D311A7C600508B6A8129013EEE12@SFRMAIL>

Hi, my mailing was moved in the fall to Mailman. I can't find the place for
me, as list-owner,  to unsubscribe old or bad addresses. Whenever someone
sends a message or comment to the list, I get about one dozen error
messages.  

Can you point me to the place in the instructions which tell us list-owners
how to unsubscribe a person from the list.

Thanks.

Lauri Flynn
list-owner pll-legalrec-sis



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From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Thu Dec 21 23:19:18 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:19:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How can I unsubscribe a bad address
Message-ID: <200012212217.OAA21286@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Can you point me to the place in the instructions which tell us list-owners
> how to unsubscribe a person from the list.

I'm not sure there are any such instructions; I didn't use them
or need them.  The likely place is on Chris Kolar's doc, referred
to from www.list.org.  Yes, indeed, that has it as the third
item on the Quick Reference Card, for instance.

Anyway, there are two ways: 

>From the web admin screen, go to Membership Management, unset the
'subscr' checkbox for the user in question (and submit the form).

>From the command line, use bin/remove_members.  (Either browse the
top of the file for instructions, or issue the command with no
arguments, or issue the command with -h, or issue the command with
--help).




From bob at nleaudio.com  Fri Dec 22 00:23:04 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:23:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender]
References: <3A424DEE.A5E3197F@nleaudio.com> <20001221120453.A8981@ssc.com>
Message-ID: <3A4290D8.412C0A0E@nleaudio.com>

test
Please disregard.



From mark at ericsson.net.nz  Fri Dec 22 02:38:05 2000
From: mark at ericsson.net.nz (Mark Henson)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:38:05 +1300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Difficulties Experienced
Message-ID: <3A42B07D.4DF6D39@ericsson.net.nz>

Hi,

Firstly I'd like to thank you for a quality product!!!  I have recently
deployed Mailman and I find to be easy to use and
very stable for an application with web based management.

Two issues caused me difficulty:-

one related to sendmail restricted shell
the other due to a missing To: field when posting from a script on a
Solaris 7 box

In all I spent about a day resolving these issues and wanted to suggest
an inclusion
for the smrsh in the FAQ as any Redhat install will find this problem:

For Redhat 6.1, 6.2 and (I assume) 7.0 users a link is required from
/etc/smrsh to the wrapper script: /home/mailman/mail/wrapper

ln -s /home/mailman/mail/wrapper /etc/smrsh/wrapper

I know that your instructions include a comment on smrsh - but honestly
I couldn't understand what was being suggested despite
resolving exactly the same problem from majordomo several months ago!!!

Secondly the issue relating to Implicit Destination, in the end I
resolved this via the archive of the users list - also for the previous
issue
I found a comment that helped me work out how smrsh really required
things to be done.

The Implicit Destination problem was because mail for Sun Solaris 7 does
not include a  To: field in the mail header and Mailman was requiring
approval for these posts.

The time it took me to resolve this issue was so long because I was
unable to search the users list postings, only view them per month and
consequently to find the relevant mail took a long time.  Infact I was
pretty sure the problem was a bug in Mailman for a while!!!

I think the htdig would provide the capability to search the archive and
it would be very very helpful for people trying to resolve these same
difficulties
in the future....

anyway thanks again for a great program, a bit more documentation or a
knowledge base would be handy :)))

cheers
Mark Henson
New Zealand





From scott-brown at home.com  Fri Dec 22 02:42:47 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:42:47 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this a bug, or just because I called it from an unpriveledged account?
Message-ID: <002201c06bb8$7d7d6be0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./newlist", line 223, in ?
    main()
  File "./newlist", line 219, in main
    mlist.Unlock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1348, in Unlock
    self.__lock.unlock(unconditionally=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 306, in unlock
    os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/home/mailman/locks/<site>.lock.apollo.host-ops.com.6611'

no files (at all) exist in /home/mailman/locks/ - but what bothered me was
the "<site>" stuck in there.

Anyone care to venture a suggestion?




From scott-brown at home.com  Fri Dec 22 02:47:42 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:47:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
Message-ID: <002301c06bb9$2d3a6f60$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Has anyone produced the ability for virtual domains to create their own
mailman list?

If so, care to share the code?




From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM  Fri Dec 22 03:02:26 2000
From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:02:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this a bug, or just because I called it from an unpriveledged account?
Message-ID: <200012220200.SAA28971@utopia.west.sun.com>

> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./newlist", line 223, in ?
>     main()
>   File "./newlist", line 219, in main
>     mlist.Unlock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1348, in Unlock
>     self.__lock.unlock(unconditionally=1)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 306, in unlock
>     os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> '/home/mailman/locks/<site>.lock.apollo.host-ops.com.6611'
> 
> no files (at all) exist in /home/mailman/locks/ - but what bothered me was
> the "<site>" stuck in there.
> 
> Anyone care to venture a suggestion?

looks correct.  The problem is not the name; <site> appears to be
intentional.  Looks like the newlist process doesn't have permission
to unlink from /home/mailman/locks.




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Fri Dec 22 04:07:27 2000
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:07:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <002301c06bb9$2d3a6f60$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> from "Scott Brown" at Dec 21, 2000 08:47:42 PM
Message-ID: <200012220307.UAA02455@mail.commercedata.com>

Hi Scott.  I'm working on getting virtual domains up using virtfs, and it's
been pretty easy so far - except that I don't have it working yet.  My
mail's being black-holed somewhere at the wrapper step, even though I'm 
fairly sure the wrapper's running (set up smrsh already).  I'm having problems
tracking it down.  Everything else is running nicely.

The one thing I did was put in a symbolic link from where mailman *expected*
to find things to where they really were once the chroot took place.

Let me know if you're interested in doing it the way I did.  If I get it 
to work I think it'll be the most elegant way to get it all going.  *grin*

Dave Klingler

> 
> Has anyone produced the ability for virtual domains to create their own
> mailman list?
> 
> If so, care to share the code?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From scott-brown at home.com  Fri Dec 22 05:19:28 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:19:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <200012220307.UAA02455@mail.commercedata.com>
Message-ID: <000501c06bce$6113daa0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

So you're giving your users complete command line level access to a virtual
install of mailman?

Interesting concept... I'm not sure I'd want to let them take things that
far though (I mean, I dont want anyone to fiddle with /etc/aliases and other
files in /etc/ if I dont need to... and right now, I dont need to)

What I'm really looking for is a quick wrapper for newlist that I can call
from a segment of the virtual domain's web-based control panel, and allow
them to create/delete lists as they desired - but with all the nitty gritty
of updating sendmail handled by a nice secure piece of code that I can
control/customize (my situation is not as simple as the install docs
suggest - I have an additional file to update due to the virtual domain
mappings)

> Hi Scott.  I'm working on getting virtual domains up using
> virtfs, and it's been pretty easy so far - except that I
> don't have it working yet.  My mail's being black-holed
> somewhere at the wrapper step, even though I'm fairly
> sure the wrapper's running (set up smrsh already).  I'm
> having problems tracking it down.  Everything else is
> running nicely.

Check your $prefix/logs/ directory - all my answers came from looking at
what was being written there ;-)

And if nothing is being written there, then there's bound to be a problem
with your /etc/aliases , or your virtual domain tables (mine got out of sync
earlier this week - took me and a friend a couple hours to track down that I
simply needed to rebuild the btree index ... ;-)

> Let me know if you're interested in doing it the way I did.
> If I get it to work I think it'll be the most elegant way to
> get it all going.  *grin*
>

Maybe submit something for Barry to include in the next release?




From scott-brown at home.com  Fri Dec 22 05:33:17 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:33:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this a bug, or just because I called it from an unpriveledged account?
In-Reply-To: <200012220200.SAA28971@utopia.west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <000601c06bd0$4e92ff80$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Hi Dan,

I suspected as much - I invoked it from one of the virtual domain accounts
on my server (which kinda bothers me that a virtual domain can get access to
that directory tree... though obviously cant fiddle with it's contents)

But this does leave an underlaying question though:

If it's trying to delete a lock file, it's no doubt due to the fact that it
(thought that it) created a lock file. Since no lock file is present... why
did it get as far as it did without producing an error?

(putting on my programmer's hat for a minute)

My feeling is that if it couldnt create the lock file, it should have died
there and then, or politely told the user that they're not priveleged to run
the routine (since it's a safe bet that if it couldnt create a lock file, it
couldnt create any other required files or open any datafiles for updating)

(back to mailman-user mode)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Mick [mailto:Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 9:02 PM
> To: scott-brown at home.com
> Cc: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this a bug, or just because I
> called it
> from an unpriveledged account?
>
>
>
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "./newlist", line 223, in ?
> >     main()
> >   File "./newlist", line 219, in main
> >     mlist.Unlock()
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1348, in Unlock
> >     self.__lock.unlock(unconditionally=1)
> >   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 306, in unlock
> >     os.unlink(self.__tmpfname)
> > OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
> > '/home/mailman/locks/<site>.lock.apollo.host-ops.com.6611'
> >
> > no files (at all) exist in /home/mailman/locks/ - but what
> bothered me was
> > the "<site>" stuck in there.
> >
> > Anyone care to venture a suggestion?
>
> looks correct.  The problem is not the name; <site> appears to be
> intentional.  Looks like the newlist process doesn't have permission
> to unlink from /home/mailman/locks.
>




From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Fri Dec 22 19:03:47 2000
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Jason)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:03:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Error...
Message-ID: <3A439783.AE7B804D@opensourcedirectory.com>

I know that I have to set up the Gid when I do the ./configure...
How would I set this if I installed from RPM?

Just a quick question.

Thanks jason




From gleblanc at cu-portland.edu  Fri Dec 22 19:17:23 2000
From: gleblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: 22 Dec 2000 10:17:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Error...
In-Reply-To: <3A439783.AE7B804D@opensourcedirectory.com>
Message-ID: <200012221817.eBMIHNL24869@peecee.linuxweasel.com>

On 22 Dec 2000 14:03:47 -0400, Jason wrote:
> I know that I have to set up the Gid when I do the ./configure...
> How would I set this if I installed from RPM?

RH systems have pretty standard mail and cgi GIDs.  In the %prep stage,
use %configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody  and so on.
It's really basic.  RH has some RPMs of 2.0beta5 or 6 at
rawhide.redhat.com.  Unfortunately, mailman doesn't like to be
buildroot'ed, so I've not felt that my RPM spec file was complete.  I'll
have to take a look at the FreeBSD ports, and see if they've fixed that
issue.

    Greg



From mrlist at ActiveState.com  Fri Dec 22 20:38:00 2000
From: mrlist at ActiveState.com (Eric Wang)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:38:00 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ?get a strange msg???
In-Reply-To: <074001c04865$b9a63c30$eb00a8c0@prc.oztime.com>
References: <074001c04865$b9a63c30$eb00a8c0@prc.oztime.com>
Message-ID: <20001222113657.8365.MRLIST@activestate.com>

The people sent the message with 8bit mime .


On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 10:52:10 +0800
"Xiao Bing" <xiao.bing at oztime.com> wrote:

> A member post a email to the maillist.Then get a strange response
> ------------------------------------------>
> subject:Your message to Oz_maillist awaits moderator approval
> content:
> Your mail to 'Oz_maillist' with the subject
> 
>     =?gb2312?B?suLK1NTT1r4=?=
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> 
> The reason it is being held:
> 
>     Message has implicit destination
> 
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.
> -------------------------------------------------------------->
> What is the reason?
> 





From dave at thewebmark.com  Sat Dec 23 00:52:00 2000
From: dave at thewebmark.com (David Koopman)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:52:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i cannot get mailman to work
Message-ID: <03ca01c06c72$2cf06f00$1301a8c0@digizip.com>

I installed mailman before I ever got postfix to work...  then today I got
postfix to work right (yeah! -- full blown mail server of my own!) and now I
want to make mailman work.

I have installed it properly, however, I am concerned about the fact that I
was using sendmail when I installed mailman, then I removed sendmail and
installed postfix, then tried to get mailman to work again.  By the way, I
never did get sendmail to work in the first place.

SO, I can create a group, I can access the web-admin to administer the
group.  I can add people to the group, but it doesn't send out confirmation
e-mails and it just doesn't seem to send out any e-mails.  When I try to
e-mail the group I just created, it gets passed back to me because I
obviously have something wrong in my aliases file.  My first group name is:
mailman-users and my domain name is: twmtest.com, so
mailman-users at twmtest.com is the main list e-mail address.  Here is what is
in my aliases file:

mailman-users: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman-users"
mailman-users-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mailman-users"
mailman-users-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailman-users"
mailman-users-owner: mailman-users-admin

<mailman-users at twmtest.com>: Command died with status 2:
    "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman-users". Command output: Failure
to
    exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

Ok, what is going on here?  how do I find out who gid 12 and 99 are or what
they are?  I am a newbie to linux (yes, after all these years, I'm still
clumbsy with it - but not afraid of it anymore!)

Any suggestions?

Dave Koopman
dave at twmtest.com  (yeah, my new e-mail)
dave at thewebmark.com (boring, my old e-mail)





From ashley at pcraft.com  Sat Dec 23 06:24:46 2000
From: ashley at pcraft.com (Ashley M. Kirchner)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:24:46 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] i cannot get mailman to work
References: <03ca01c06c72$2cf06f00$1301a8c0@digizip.com>
Message-ID: <3A44371E.4D4BCBF4@pcraft.com>

David Koopman wrote:

> By the way, I
> never did get sendmail to work in the first place.

    Odd, I had zero problems with sendmail.


> <mailman-users at twmtest.com>: Command died with status 2:
>     "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman-users". Command output: Failure
> to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 99.  (Reconfigure to take 99?)

    NOTE: the following explanation is assuming you're on a RedHat system)

    Yeah, I can tell you to go read the INSTALL file, or check the list
archives, but then, a lot of other people will also do the same.

    The problem here is that mailman _expected_ a user whose GID (Group ID) was
12.  On a RedHat system, that would be the 'mail' group.  But, the user that's
actually running your mail stuff has a completely different GID, namely 99
(which is the group 'nobody').

    Here's my guess: your mail program (postfix) is being run with the
nobody.nobody permissions.  (again, on a RedHat system, sendmail will, by
default, run with the mail.mail permission set).

    Mailman will dutifully report the problem as you noticed, and will give you
a hint on how to fix it: Reconfigure to take 99.  This cryptic message
translates to: you'll have to reconfigure and rebuild Mailman with GID 99, NOT
12.

    Check the INSTALL file for the '--with-mail-gid=' option for the configure
command.

    Hope this helps.

    AMK4

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From scott-brown at home.com  Sat Dec 23 23:35:24 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 17:35:24 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <3A439DDC.B4E1A8B2@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <002901c06d30$a50b1a80$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Know whats really funny here Bob?

People want the ability.    People discuss it.  A few of us even fiddle with
it, write a little code, run into roadblocks... and in the end, nothing
useful gets done and the thread dies off.

I dont want this to happen this time.

Personally - I've looked through the source to newlist - there's not much
there really - and what is there *could* be turned into a CGI - once I
figure out the PHP CGI wrapper that Barry (et al) used - but I ran into a
roadblock where the security of my server's config (all user CGI's are
SUEXEC'd) makes it impossible for newlist to complete successfully (see my
other thread about newlist dying with an error trying to unlink a lock
file).

So - I think I'm going to have to do what someone else suggested - and
create an email address to which the required info gets posted, intercept it
via a "wrapper" like functionality, and then process things as the mail
user.

The next stage (updating the /etc/aliases and virtual domain tables files),
requries root priv on my box, so I'm still trying to figure out how to do
that one.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Puff at NLE [mailto:bob at nleaudio.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:31 PM
> To: scott-brown at home.com
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I've been following your thread.  Let me know if you come up
> with a cgi (or other) script - I'm trying to do the same
> thing here - let users create mailing lists.
>
> Bob
>




From sirrmt at dingoblue.net.au  Sun Dec 24 03:20:17 2000
From: sirrmt at dingoblue.net.au (Robert Thomson)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:20:17 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature suggestion
Message-ID: <20001224132017.A8873@quixote.quixote>

I haven't actually checked to see if this feature exists, but
I've never heard of it existing, so chances are it doesn't.

One of the problems evident with many mailing lists is the spam
that finds its way to it.  Aswell as ORBS/MAPS, procmail filters etc.
one could close the list, only allowing posts from email addresses
of people subscribed to the list.  However, there is much bad blood
about this, because many people post from different or multiple
addresses.

My first suggestion is to have a list of alternate posting addresses for
each person subscribed.  For many, this'll solve the problem.

My second suggestion is to, during parsing the message, check if the
first line of the message (not a header, although maybe a header
would match aswell) matches a given string
    eg. Intended-For: mailing-list-name
and let it through regardless of the From address if it does match.

This would allow closed lists, thereby catching all spam, shut up
the users with multiple mailing address, and allow a specific override
where necessary.

Cool, no?

Gxis,
    Rob.

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From reb at taco.com  Sun Dec 24 05:53:22 2000
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:53:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <20001224132017.A8873@quixote.quixote>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001223235034.01d30070@taco.com>

At 01:20 PM 12/24/2000 +1100, you wrote:
>I haven't actually checked to see if this feature exists, but
>I've never heard of it existing, so chances are it doesn't.
>
>One of the problems evident with many mailing lists is the spam
>that finds its way to it.  Aswell as ORBS/MAPS, procmail filters etc.
>one could close the list, only allowing posts from email addresses
>of people subscribed to the list.  However, there is much bad blood
>about this, because many people post from different or multiple
>addresses.

Why all the fuss? I closed my lists because of SPAM and I just subscribe
the user's additional addresses and turn delivery to them off. In general,
people are not going to remember secret strings, etc. that will let them
post.

reb




From scott-brown at home.com  Sun Dec 24 05:56:03 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:56:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <3A456E0E.239FB628@nleaudio.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c06d65$d216adc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Bob, thats interesting... but lets modify this a bit to make it more
multi-user...

the virtual domains's "controlpanel" writes to a (hidden) file (in the root
of each virtual domain) the necessary info for the newlist routine, after
checking that the list doesnt exist yet...

Then, every couple minutes (say every 5... but that *could* be too long if
you have a large number of virtual domains on the box - but being a cron
job, thats configurable on a box by box basis) the cron job wakes up, as
root, and processes through the list of domains on the box, looking for new
trigger files.

When found it processes the newlist (capturing any error that might occur),
and either updates the /etc/aliases and the virtual domains redirection, or
barfs back a message to the intended list owner indicating they were >< that
close to getting a list with that name...

Lets complicate things a little more - and add rmlist processing as well -
that way complete control is within the virtual domain owner's hands... and
I dont have to deal with as many support requests ;-)

This should be pretty simple this way... it's not instantaneous - but it
should serve most people well enough, and since it's all driven from inside
the virtual domains's diskspace, the possibilty of multiple people thrashing
the same file is minimized.  (currently) I'm not worried about wasting
cycles - my server rarely breaks 5% CPU usage - and I already have another
job that runs at 5 minute intervals that I can tack this on to the end of...

I've got a site design/build to complete by the end of the year, so I'll
look at this sometime in the new year.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Puff at NLE [mailto:bob at nleaudio.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:31 PM
> To: scott-brown at home.com
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> I have another idea for you.  Something I think was done at
> the old ISP I used to use.
>
> Have your cgi script build some sort of shell script to do
> what you need.  Stuff it in some directory.
> Now set up a cron job that runs every hour (or more often if
> you want) that checks to see if this script is present, and
> if so, run it with root priveleges.  Then delete it after it is done.
>
> Yes, it does waste some processor time, but you can do just
> about anything.  Been thinking about implementing that in my system.
>
> Please keep me posted on your progress.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Scott Brown wrote:
> >
> > Know whats really funny here Bob?
> >
> > People want the ability.    People discuss it.  A few of us
> even fiddle with
> > it, write a little code, run into roadblocks... and in the
> end, nothing
> > useful gets done and the thread dies off.
> >
> > I dont want this to happen this time.
> >
> > Personally - I've looked through the source to newlist -
> there's not much
> > there really - and what is there *could* be turned into a
> CGI - once I
> > figure out the PHP CGI wrapper that Barry (et al) used -
> but I ran into a
> > roadblock where the security of my server's config (all
> user CGI's are
> > SUEXEC'd) makes it impossible for newlist to complete
> successfully (see my
> > other thread about newlist dying with an error trying to
> unlink a lock
> > file).
> >
> > So - I think I'm going to have to do what someone else
> suggested - and
> > create an email address to which the required info gets
> posted, intercept it
> > via a "wrapper" like functionality, and then process things
> as the mail
> > user.
> >
> > The next stage (updating the /etc/aliases and virtual
> domain tables files),
> > requries root priv on my box, so I'm still trying to figure
> out how to do
> > that one.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob Puff at NLE [mailto:bob at nleaudio.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:31 PM
> > > To: scott-brown at home.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Scott,
> > >
> > > I've been following your thread.  Let me know if you come up
> > > with a cgi (or other) script - I'm trying to do the same
> > > thing here - let users create mailing lists.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Sun Dec 24 07:09:34 2000
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:09:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c06d65$d216adc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> from "Scott Brown" at Dec 23, 2000 11:56:03 PM
Message-ID: <200012240609.XAA29857@mail.commercedata.com>

Essentially the problem here is just to pass a piece of information from
a program with no privileges running as nobody to a program with the ability
to update the aliases file and run newlist.  The 15-minute solution is to 
use what's there already (sendmail and perl) to send the information through
the mail system via cgi.  Since the message never leaves the machine, it's
just like using a file semaphore; a POST calls the MTA, which then leaves
the information in a file, which then gets picked up by the MTA and passed
to a little script that makes the necessary updates.  

You can go further by having a watched file; when the file changes a program
(probably a perl or python script) wakes up and reads the contents of the 
file, then makes the necessary changes.  Or you can use cron to sit there
and call a script like you've described below that watches a file and makes
the changes if they're there.

My personal choice would be the one I suggested first because it's easiest,
yields instantaneous changes and is effectively exactly the same as if I
wrote a real program that called an ioctl to watch a file for a semaphore.
This way inetd takes the place of the watcher, waking up the MTA and having
it call the script that calls newlist and updates aliases.

On another note, I have verified that hostway.com does indeed offer mailman
as part of their virtual hosting service.  Given that I've spent many hours
trying to get virtual mailmen to work in a way that would satisfy me, I'd
love to know how they're implementing it.  Better yet, I wish someone would 
shoot me.

Dave Klingler


> the virtual domains's "controlpanel" writes to a (hidden) file (in the root
> of each virtual domain) the necessary info for the newlist routine, after
> checking that the list doesnt exist yet...
> 
> Then, every couple minutes (say every 5... but that *could* be too long if
> you have a large number of virtual domains on the box - but being a cron
> job, thats configurable on a box by box basis) the cron job wakes up, as
> root, and processes through the list of domains on the box, looking for new
> trigger files.
> 
> When found it processes the newlist (capturing any error that might occur),
> and either updates the /etc/aliases and the virtual domains redirection, or
> barfs back a message to the intended list owner indicating they were >< that
> close to getting a list with that name...
> 
> Lets complicate things a little more - and add rmlist processing as well -
> that way complete control is within the virtual domain owner's hands... and
> I dont have to deal with as many support requests ;-)
> 
> This should be pretty simple this way... it's not instantaneous - but it
> should serve most people well enough, and since it's all driven from inside
> the virtual domains's diskspace, the possibilty of multiple people thrashing
> the same file is minimized.  (currently) I'm not worried about wasting
> cycles - my server rarely breaks 5% CPU usage - and I already have another
> job that runs at 5 minute intervals that I can tack this on to the end of...
> 
> I've got a site design/build to complete by the end of the year, so I'll
> look at this sometime in the new year.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob Puff at NLE [mailto:bob at nleaudio.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:31 PM
> > To: scott-brown at home.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
> >
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > I have another idea for you.  Something I think was done at
> > the old ISP I used to use.
> >
> > Have your cgi script build some sort of shell script to do
> > what you need.  Stuff it in some directory.
> > Now set up a cron job that runs every hour (or more often if
> > you want) that checks to see if this script is present, and
> > if so, run it with root priveleges.  Then delete it after it is done.
> >
> > Yes, it does waste some processor time, but you can do just
> > about anything.  Been thinking about implementing that in my system.
> >
> > Please keep me posted on your progress.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Scott Brown wrote:
> > >
> > > Know whats really funny here Bob?
> > >
> > > People want the ability.    People discuss it.  A few of us
> > even fiddle with
> > > it, write a little code, run into roadblocks... and in the
> > end, nothing
> > > useful gets done and the thread dies off.
> > >
> > > I dont want this to happen this time.
> > >
> > > Personally - I've looked through the source to newlist -
> > there's not much
> > > there really - and what is there *could* be turned into a
> > CGI - once I
> > > figure out the PHP CGI wrapper that Barry (et al) used -
> > but I ran into a
> > > roadblock where the security of my server's config (all
> > user CGI's are
> > > SUEXEC'd) makes it impossible for newlist to complete
> > successfully (see my
> > > other thread about newlist dying with an error trying to
> > unlink a lock
> > > file).
> > >
> > > So - I think I'm going to have to do what someone else
> > suggested - and
> > > create an email address to which the required info gets
> > posted, intercept it
> > > via a "wrapper" like functionality, and then process things
> > as the mail
> > > user.
> > >
> > > The next stage (updating the /etc/aliases and virtual
> > domain tables files),
> > > requries root priv on my box, so I'm still trying to figure
> > out how to do
> > > that one.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bob Puff at NLE [mailto:bob at nleaudio.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 1:31 PM
> > > > To: scott-brown at home.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Scott,
> > > >
> > > > I've been following your thread.  Let me know if you come up
> > > > with a cgi (or other) script - I'm trying to do the same
> > > > thing here - let users create mailing lists.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Sun Dec 24 07:24:24 2000
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Jason)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID error
Message-ID: <3A459698.455A6CD6@opensourcedirectory.com>

How would I set the GID for the cgi to execute. If I installed mailman
via rpm(on a slackware system)?




From yasha at harari.org  Sun Dec 24 09:43:44 2000
From: yasha at harari.org (Yasha Harari)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:43:44 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman for my lists :)
Message-ID: <MABBICDKKJHNHEELIMIGIEKMIBAA.yasha@harari.org>

hi,

i'm considering using mailman for my list server ... migrating from lyris.

question:  is there a utility or some easy way to import my lists and
auto-responder documents from lyris?  or should i just export my lists and
copy/paste them into the mailman web interface?  or can i add a large batch
of users to the lists on mailman, via email?  (with lyris, i administer and
publish via web and email).

question:  does mailman support "single-opt-in" or do lists have to have
"double-opt-in" for subscribes and unsubscribes?

my lists are all opt-in, but many of them are "single-opt-in" meaning that
if someone signs up over email or the web, they don't have to reply to a
confirmation message.  they are put on the list once they submit their email
address.

we do that because we manually administer our lists and handle all requests,
and we have found that single-opt-in is what most people want from us.  the
occasional spoof registration gets quickly handled and put on our
protect-out list.

happy holidays to you all...

cheers,

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From sirrmt at dingoblue.net.au  Sun Dec 24 12:12:35 2000
From: sirrmt at dingoblue.net.au (Robert Thomson)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:12:35 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001223235034.01d30070@taco.com>; from reb@taco.com on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 11:53:22PM -0500
References: <20001224132017.A8873@quixote.quixote> <5.0.2.1.0.20001223235034.01d30070@taco.com>
Message-ID: <20001224221235.A11870@quixote.quixote>

On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 11:53:22PM -0500, Phydeaux wrote:
> At 01:20 PM 12/24/2000 +1100, you wrote:
<snip>
> Why all the fuss? I closed my lists because of SPAM and I just subscribe
> the user's additional addresses and turn delivery to them off. In general,
> people are not going to remember secret strings, etc. that will let them
> post.

Doesn't have to be secret. ;) Obvious is preferred, just so long as
traditional spam won't match.  Sometimes, you just want your post to go
through without fuss.

Ok, from what you say it is possible to have addresses that are post-only,
of which I wasn't sure.

-- 
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
War is peace.
                -- George Orwell



From jcn at storytime.org  Sun Dec 24 12:26:52 2000
From: jcn at storytime.org (Jesse Chan-Norris)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 06:26:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrading and templates
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0012240623240.11145-100000@loco.motives.com>

The UPGRADING file tells me

    Mailman will NOT upgrade the template files for existing lists.
    Chuq Von Rospach gives some useful advice in this message to the
    users mailing list:

http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2000-September/007523.html

This url appears to be 404 (there was just a rebuild of the archives or
something similar, correct?).  As I'm not even sure what I should be
looking for in the archives, could someone point me at the correct url, or
at least to a subject line that I should be searching for?

Thanks.

jcn




From scott-brown at home.com  Sun Dec 24 17:37:10 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:37:10 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <200012240609.XAA29857@mail.commercedata.com>
Message-ID: <000401c06dc7$c4011a60$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Hi Dave,

> Essentially the problem here is just to pass a piece of
> information from a program with no privileges running as
> nobody to a program with the ability to update the aliases
> file and run newlist.  The 15-minute solution is to
> use what's there already (sendmail and perl) to send the
> information through the mail system via cgi.

Thats only a "15-minute solution" if you're versant in sendmail and perl.  I
can hack away at a perl script until it works (generally with a few trips to
the man pages ;-), but sendmail... well, I know how to update the necessary
files for new virt domains, and I can restart it when it's confused... but
past that.... ;-)

> Since the message never leaves the machine, it's just like
> using a file semaphore; a POST calls the MTA, which then leaves
> the information in a file, which then gets picked up by the
> MTA and passed to a little script that makes the necessary updates.

A definite bonus...

> You can go further by having a watched file; when the file
> changes a program (probably a perl or python script) wakes
> up and reads the contents of the file, then makes the
> necessary changes.  Or you can use cron to sit there
> and call a script like you've described below that watches a
> file and makes the changes if they're there.

Thats only because I feel confident in creating that process... I _LIKE_
your suggestion, but I dont know if I could implement it.  I do know I could
implement what I discussed.

> My personal choice would be the one I suggested first because
> it's easiest, yields instantaneous changes and is effectively
> exactly the same as if I wrote a real program that called an
> ioctl to watch a file for a semaphore.
>
> This way inetd takes the place of the watcher, waking up the
> MTA and having it call the script that calls newlist and updates
> aliases.

It's the hand-off from sendmail to the perl program that has me scratching
my head right now.  Obviously, it would need to be done in the way that
Mailman does it now - but I've not fully disected the WRAPPER program as of
yet...  My background is in mainframe business application programming - so
I dont have a lot of experience with OO code ...

Of course, once the sendmail part is happy and functioning, it should be a
simple job to parse out the required fields, run newlist, update the domain
info, update /etc/aliases and the virt domain user file, and then send off a
confirmation message...

> On another note, I have verified that hostway.com does indeed
> offer mailman as part of their virtual hosting service.  Given
> that I've spent many hours trying to get virtual mailmen to
> work in a way that would satisfy me, I'd love to know how they're
> implementing it.

Well, it would seem there's as many ways as there are people looking at the
problem.

>  Better yet, I wish someone would shoot me.

Thats not the answer.  Chocolate is the answer.  Chocolate, cold pizza and a
beer or two works wonders for me when I'm running into a deadline ;-)

Scott.




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Sun Dec 24 19:56:51 2000
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:56:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <000401c06dc7$c4011a60$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> from "Scott Brown" at Dec 24, 2000 11:37:10 AM
Message-ID: <200012241856.LAA00983@mail.commercedata.com>

Happy holidays, everybody.  I wrote:

> > Essentially the problem here is just to pass a piece of
> > information from a program with no privileges running as
> > nobody to a program with the ability to update the aliases
> > file and run newlist.  The 15-minute solution is to
> > use what's there already (sendmail and perl) to send the
> > information through the mail system via cgi.
> 
Still grasping his sanity, Scott Brown wrote:
> Thats only a "15-minute solution" if you're versant in sendmail and perl.  I
> can hack away at a perl script until it works (generally with a few trips to
> the man pages ;-), but sendmail... well, I know how to update the necessary
> files for new virt domains, and I can restart it when it's confused... but
> past that.... ;-)

Whups!  My apologies.  I'm not that great with sendmail either, but I know 
how to do a few things with it related to CGI apps.

For sending mail, I usually use metasend, since it's easy to use.  I chose it
once because it does MIME and I needed MIME, so keep in mind that there might
be easier ways to do it.  For what we're talking about, I'd be happy with 
sendmail because you can just pipe it a bunch of text and send it on its way
very easily.  But most any MTA will take a command line and zing mail off for
you.

Here's a piece of perl from a CGI mail gateway that I stole from an O'Reilly
CGI book long ago and modified.   It assumes you've built an array named 
MAIL containing your FROM and TO addresses and the message you want to send.
You could just as easily call sendmail with a command line, too.

sub send_mail {
   # Get a sendmail process ready...
   open (SENDMAIL, "| $sendmail");

   # ...and send it a mail header...
   print SENDMAIL <<Mail_Header;
From: $MAIL{'from} <$MAIL{'email'}>
To: $MAIL{'to'}
Reply-To: $MAIL{'email'}
Subject: $MAIL{'subject'}
X-Mailer: $gateway
X-Remote-Host: $ENV{'REMOTE_ADDR'}
Mail_Header

   # I threw in a cc line just so you'd know you could cc each newlist request
   # to someone, maybe the sysadmin or the company mail person.
   if ($MAIL{'cc'}) {
      print SENDMAIL "Cc: ", $MAIL{'cc'}, "\n";
   }

   # And now we throw in the message, maybe just the names of the list and
   # the email and password for the list admin.
   print SENDMAIL "\n", $MAIL{'message'}, "\n";

   # Go home, drink a beer, contemplate life, pass out on the sofa.
   close (SENDMAIL);


Here's another way of doing it with metasend and a JPEG file, which of course
isn't what you want but I'm pasting and you can get the gist of it *lazy 
grin*:

   system(qq/metasend -b -z -e base64 -f $preview -F PrintForge -m 
   IMAGE\/JPEG -s "PrintForge Preview" -S 1000000 -t 
   $options{'previewmailto'} /);

The truth is I don't remember what metasend's various options are, but I think
you could skip most of what I pasted because you're just sending text.  But if
you always wanted to send yourself a picture, now you can.
  
> > Since the message never leaves the machine, it's just like
> > using a file semaphore; a POST calls the MTA, which then leaves
> > the information in a file, which then gets picked up by the
> > MTA and passed to a little script that makes the necessary updates.
[snip]
> It's the hand-off from sendmail to the perl program that has me scratching
> my head right now.  Obviously, it would need to be done in the way that
> Mailman does it now - but I've not fully disected the WRAPPER program as of
> yet...  My background is in mainframe business application programming - so
> I dont have a lot of experience with OO code ...

OHHHHHHHH!!!!  Good grief, I'm so bamboozled by wrapper and its minions right
now that I wouldn't dare use it either.  I just meant call the program in 
the same way that mailman calls wrapper:

newlist:                    "|/home/mailman/myprogramdir/mylistprog"

That just pipes the incoming mail to your list program.  I've been using
wrapper (and you can try this at home) with

su mail
mail/wrapper mailcmd test < help_test

where "test" is the name of a list and "help_test" is a piece of mail I cc'd
to myself with the word "help" in the subject field.  Unfortunately, although
this works fine I still get "operating system error" in my mail logs, AND my
gid is set fine AND I can't figure it out.   *^#$@#$(!!!

So you can see how that wrapper call works with stdin and argv, and how a
call like I've written above should work just as well.  

> Of course, once the sendmail part is happy and functioning, it should be a
> simple job to parse out the required fields, run newlist, update the domain
> info, update /etc/aliases and the virt domain user file, and then send off a
> confirmation message...

Thar ya go.  Don't forget to parse it for metacharacters, just in case some
smarmy customer puts a shell command in for the name of the new list.
  
> Well, it would seem there's as many ways as there are people looking at the
> problem.
> 
> >  Better yet, I wish someone would shoot me.
> 
> Thats not the answer.  Chocolate is the answer.  Chocolate, cold pizza and a
> beer or two works wonders for me when I'm running into a deadline ;-)

*sniff* I was a human being, once!  If only those things could help me!  No,
only bullet could help me now...

I discovered last night, while implementing another "this has to work!" 
solution (a separate installation of apache, an idea which I'd actually started
to like because I can do all kinds of cool security and backup things that 
way), that apache neatly bypasses my chroot and zooms up the directory tree,
skipping my mailman installation in the process.  So many people have told me 
that's impossible!  Bla ha!  Bla ha ha ha ha ha ha!  Bla ha haha...how do they
do that???!!!  Must look at the Apache code.

I then fell back on another forehead-slappin' solution (two separate mailman 
installations, with the cgi version using links to the other's data 
directories).  That's when I realized that all this time I've been using 
wrapper to find out when things were working, but I seem to have another 
problem when mailman runs in a virtual machine.  It could be just that I've 
tried so many solutions that I'm skipping some installation step, so I'm going 
to try from scratch today.

I'm really happy with my virtual machines, happy enough that I've put myself 
through the living hell of hard-coded directory names in Mailman in an attempt
to keep them.  I can have separate email names on separate machines this way,
and the MTA's never have to meet.  Python looks pretty easy, actually.  Maybe
I'll modify Mailman to have a single configuration file where all the directory
names are kept...

Dave Klingler



From dan at dpcsys.com  Sun Dec 24 20:22:08 2000
From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:22:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <200012241856.LAA00983@mail.commercedata.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012241120090.53760-100000@java2.dpcsys.com>

On Dec 24, Dave Klingler wrote:
>sub send_mail {
>   # Get a sendmail process ready...
>   open (SENDMAIL, "| $sendmail");

Make sure that $sendmail not only includes the correct path to sendmail 
but also the correct flags, -t being the important one here (read
reciepinet addresses from headers)

$sendmail = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -t";

Dan
-- 
 Dan Busarow                                                  949 443 4172
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From marauder at morepower.com  Sun Dec 24 20:34:06 2000
From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:34:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list...
In-Reply-To: <20001224163804.392FDE7E7@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEOHDOAA.marauder@morepower.com>

Is there any quick and dirty way of renaming a list under Mailman?  I've run
into a situation where I've got 2 lists with about 200 members on each and
their names are so close that a quick typo seems to be resulting in a lot of
postings going to the wrong list.  I've decided the easiest way to resolve
this is to just rename one of the lists, but I'd rather not have to create a
new list, move the subscriptions over, etc, etc if it is at all possible to
avoid that.

Thanks.
>>>>> Mike <<<<<




From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Sun Dec 24 21:37:17 2000
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:37:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newlist from a webpage?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012241120090.53760-100000@java2.dpcsys.com> from "Dan Busarow" at Dec 24, 2000 11:22:08 AM
Message-ID: <200012242037.NAA01303@mail.commercedata.com>

> On Dec 24, Dave Klingler wrote:
> >sub send_mail {
> >   # Get a sendmail process ready...
> >   open (SENDMAIL, "| $sendmail");
> 
> Make sure that $sendmail not only includes the correct path to sendmail 
> but also the correct flags, -t being the important one here (read
> reciepinet addresses from headers)
> 
> $sendmail = "/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -t";

Yes, although interestingly enough, iirc the docs say that the -t option is
only for privileged users.  In practice I've never had a problem with it.
I always wondered about that.

Dave Klingler



From cht at ccil.org  Mon Dec 25 05:48:56 2000
From: cht at ccil.org (Cordell H. Thomas)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 23:48:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list...
In-Reply-To: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKAEOHDOAA.marauder@morepower.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001224234829.9854F-100000@locke.ccil.org>

 Me too

Del 

On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Mike Cisar wrote:

> Is there any quick and dirty way of renaming a list under Mailman?  I've run
> into a situation where I've got 2 lists with about 200 members on each and
> their names are so close that a quick typo seems to be resulting in a lot of
> postings going to the wrong list.  I've decided the easiest way to resolve
> this is to just rename one of the lists, but I'd rather not have to create a
> new list, move the subscriptions over, etc, etc if it is at all possible to
> avoid that.
> 
> Thanks.
> >>>>> Mike <<<<<
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From david at kenpro.com.au  Mon Dec 25 12:24:07 2000
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:24:07 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stopping HTML posts
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012252221280.2406-100000@fast.kenpro.com.au>

sorry if this is a trivial question.. but how do I prevent people from
posting in HTML (ie, text only posts allowed).

I would like to bounce anything that is not text only, or that has an
attachment.


Thanks, 

David.




From ken at kyler.com  Mon Dec 25 14:12:32 2000
From: ken at kyler.com (Ken Kyler)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:12:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stopping HTML posts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012252221280.2406-100000@fast.kenpro.com.au>
Message-ID: <HGEHJFNKJELMCFEIEDGIKENHCKAA.ken@kyler.com>

> I would like to bounce anything that is not text only, or that has an
> attachment.

On the Privacy page, in the "Hold posts with header value matching a specified
regexp" option, put something like the following:

# the following is for attachments
Content-Type: multipart/*
Content-type: text/enriched

Ken




From alex at phred.org  Mon Dec 25 17:32:47 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 08:32:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] stopping HTML posts
In-Reply-To: <HGEHJFNKJELMCFEIEDGIKENHCKAA.ken@kyler.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012250832130.20234-100000@phred.org>

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Ken Kyler wrote:
> > I would like to bounce anything that is not text only, or that has an
> > attachment.
> 
> On the Privacy page, in the "Hold posts with header value matching a specified
> regexp" option, put something like the following:
> 
> # the following is for attachments
> Content-Type: multipart/*
> Content-type: text/enriched

Or use a filter which strips out HTML and leaves behind the plaintext. 
I've written one called stripmime which is available at
http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl

alex




From bradley at stygianresearch.com  Mon Dec 25 20:05:42 2000
From: bradley at stygianresearch.com (Bradley Leonard)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 14:05:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID error
In-Reply-To: <3A459698.455A6CD6@opensourcedirectory.com>
References: <3A459698.455A6CD6@opensourcedirectory.com>
Message-ID: <44697.209.79.70.251.977771142.squirrel@stygianresearch.com>

If the rpm was compiled for RH 7 then its probably set to apache.  If not, 
you need to find the src rpm and rebuild it using the --rebuilddb option.
You'll need to pass in new options or change the spec file.

Brad


0> How would I set the GID for the cgi to execute. If I installed mailman
> via rpm(on a slackware system)?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


-- 
Bradley Leonard     (bradley at stygianresearch.com)
Stygian Research    (http://stygianresearch.com)

Life is simple.  We make it complicated.





From eliseocd at teleline.es  Tue Dec 26 04:48:07 2000
From: eliseocd at teleline.es (Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 22:48:07 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password bug in Mailman 2.0
Message-ID: <3A4814F7.54A10EED@teleline.es>

 The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change
administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages.

 It's this a bug?




From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Tue Dec 26 01:49:21 2000
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:49:21 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0
In-Reply-To: <3A4814F7.54A10EED@teleline.es>; from eliseocd@teleline.es on Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 10:48:07PM -0500
References: <3A4814F7.54A10EED@teleline.es>
Message-ID: <20001226114921.B441@tertius.net.au>

Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote:
>  The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change
> administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages.

It's a feature.


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: Artificial Intelligence: the art of making computers that behave
: like the ones in movies.  -- Bill Bulko



From eliseocd at teleline.es  Tue Dec 26 07:21:42 2000
From: eliseocd at teleline.es (Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 01:21:42 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0
References: <3A4814F7.54A10EED@teleline.es> <20001226114921.B441@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <3A4838F6.E9C82FB0@teleline.es>

Bek Oberin wrote:

> Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote:
> >  The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change
> > administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages.
>
> It's a feature.
>
> bekj
>
> --
> : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
> : gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
> : Artificial Intelligence: the art of making computers that behave
> : like the ones in movies.  -- Bill Bulko

Ok, but It can be used by anyone, so a list member can modify the
administrative options.

 If it's a feature, I don't understand it.




From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Tue Dec 26 02:23:42 2000
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:23:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0
In-Reply-To: <3A4838F6.E9C82FB0@teleline.es>; from eliseocd@teleline.es on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 01:21:42AM -0500
References: <3A4814F7.54A10EED@teleline.es> <20001226114921.B441@tertius.net.au> <3A4838F6.E9C82FB0@teleline.es>
Message-ID: <20001226122342.B890@tertius.net.au>

Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote:
> Bek Oberin wrote:
> > Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote:
> > >  The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change
> > > administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages.
> > It's a feature.
> Ok, but It can be used by anyone, so a list member can modify the
> administrative options.

Hang on, I mis-read that as "The Administrator password ...".
Their -name-?  You mean their email address?  There isn't
anywhere in mailman that their name is used ....

bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: Uptime DSW's are the highest form of geek competition.
: -- Mike Whitaker



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Dec 26 06:00:25 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:00:25 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this a bug, or just because I called it from an 
 unpriveledged account?
References: <000601c06bd0$4e92ff80$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <3A4825E9.EE59B5F@west.sun.com>


> If it's trying to delete a lock file, it's no doubt due to the fact that it
> (thought that it) created a lock file. Since no lock file is present... why
> did it get as far as it did without producing an error?

I believe the underlying code is trying to clean up any possibly pre-existing lock file
as part of the "taking care" section when creating a list.  There's no known live lock 
file for the list because the list is being created now, and this code is just a 
prophylactic measure to try to make newlist more bulletproof.  The fact
that you didn't have permission would be a fatal error for either creating or
removing a lock, so dying if it happens is not unreasonable.

It is a bit confusing, but it's part of trying to make the filesystem persistence
less of a problem.



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Tue Dec 26 06:06:48 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:06:48 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Password bug in Mailman 2.0
References: <3A4814F7.54A10EED@teleline.es> <20001226114921.B441@tertius.net.au> <3A4838F6.E9C82FB0@teleline.es>
Message-ID: <3A482768.D50D3CF4@west.sun.com>


Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote:
> 
> Bek Oberin wrote:
> 
> > Juan Eliseo Carrasco Diaz wrote:
> > >  The Administrator name can be used as password to go into and change
> > > administrative and users options in theirs respective html pages.
> >
> > It's a feature.
> >
> > bekj
> >
> > --
> > : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
> > : gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
> > : Artificial Intelligence: the art of making computers that behave
> > : like the ones in movies.  -- Bill Bulko
> 
> Ok, but It can be used by anyone, so a list member can modify the
> administrative options.

??  You said, correctly, the administrator password can be used as password to go
change users' options.  That's not at all true in the reverse; user passwords don't
get you admin privileges.

Think of the admin password like the "root" user password; you can do more with it.
And the site password works for even more things (for admin privs on any list, 
for example).



From lj at mandala-designs.com  Tue Dec 26 07:31:17 2000
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (Leonard Jacobs)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 01:31:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 with Python 2.0
Message-ID: <3A47F4E5.28974.58C8EC7@localhost>

Mailman seems to be continually retrying sending mail to hosts 
which can't be resolved via the DNS.  Is this correct?

Also why is it that Mailman seems to invoke sendmail in such a 
way that it causes sendmail to return a failure on hostnames that 
can't be resolved (presumably a temporary condition) rather than 
just passing the message to sendmail and letting sendmail do all 
the retries itself (which is how most mailers invoke sendmail).  I 
imagine this must relate to the program's needing more detailed 
info about the state of each message to be sent, but when you tie 
this in with the default frequency of its retries, it's very strange.

------------------
   
  Leonard Jacobs
  www.mandala-designs.com
  (508) 359-5473




From blaise at scadian.net  Tue Dec 26 15:08:39 2000
From: blaise at scadian.net (Jim Trigg)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net>

I lost the email giving me my list admin password for one list.  The site 
admin claims that there is no way to either recover or reset that password, 
and that I have to recreate the list.  Is that true, or can he use the site 
admin password to get access to the list administrative page and reset the 
password that way?  It looks to me from the documentation that he should be 
able to.

Thanks,
Jim Trigg




From sysop at zmag.org  Tue Dec 26 19:03:03 2000
From: sysop at zmag.org (Michael Albert)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:03:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <EJEDKEGNMNBPCAIIIFIEIEGECIAA.sysop@zmag.org>

There is a list about ethiopia maintained or adminstered or otherwise
related to your operations.

People are being added to this list without having any knowledge of it. They
are given passwords they don't know. They cannot, therefore, remove
themsleves. I am such a person.

Perhaps this is ignorance, more likely a stupid but venal undertaking, At
any rate, you should immediately shut down this list and inform those
attempting to create it of proper procedures.

Thank you.

The list is

Pol.ethiopia mailing list
Pol.ethiopia at lists.sn.apc.org
http://lists.sn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/pol.ethiopia



Michael Albert
Z Magazine / ZNet
sysop at zmag.org
www.zmag.org




From LongL at doubletwist.com  Tue Dec 26 19:25:39 2000
From: LongL at doubletwist.com (Long Li)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:25:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install mailman on virtual server
Message-ID: <3D82EFC06BB9D311B0940090277C086C019525F8@exchange.panbio.com>

Dear All;
 
I wonder  is it easy to install mailman on a virtual server to which you
don't have root access? For example: my user path is something like this
/home/mydomain/. I come up with this question since in the install
instruction everything is about root installation.
 
Thanks
 
Long
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From khj at cs.appstate.edu  Tue Dec 26 20:11:25 2000
From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 26 Dec 2000 14:11:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list
Message-ID: <esnnbngki.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>

I'd like to use "config_list" to transfer list ALPHA's configuration
to a new list BETA.  Is this the recommended procedure?


  1) bin/config_list -o config.ALPHA  ALPHA

  2) cp config.ALPHA config.BETA

  3) Use an editor to change all occurrences of "ALPHA" in
     "config.BETA" to "BETA"

  4) bin/newlist BETA

  5) bin/config_list -i config.BETA BETA


Thanks for your ideas,

-- 
Prof Kenneth H Jacker       khj at cs.appstate.edu
Computer Science Dept       www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
Appalachian State Univ
Boone, NC  28608  USA        



From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Dec 26 20:28:22 2000
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:28:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Trigg <blaise@scadian.net> 
   of "Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:08:39 EST." <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> 
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net> 
Message-ID: <6463.977858902@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:08:39 -0500 
Jim Trigg <blaise at scadian.net> wrote:

> I lost the email giving me my list admin password for one list.
> The site admin claims that there is no way to either recover or
> reset that password, and that I have to recreate the list.  Is
> that true, or can he use the site admin password to get access to
> the list administrative page and reset the password that way?  It
> looks to me from the documentation that he should be able to.

They can do exactly as you suggest.  However internal security
concerns, especially those surrounding forgery and impersonation may
preculde them from doing what you ask.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



From jwblist at olympus.net  Tue Dec 26 21:55:08 2000
From: jwblist at olympus.net (John W Baxter)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:55:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Recovering/resetting a list admin password
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net>
References: <5.0.2.1.0.20001226090700.01e45ec0@mail.scadian.net>
Message-ID: <p05010401b66eb5b23371@[207.149.192.229]>

At 9:08 -0500 12/26/00, Jim Trigg wrote:
>I lost the email giving me my list admin password for one list.  The site
>admin claims that there is no way to either recover or reset that password,
>and that I have to recreate the list.  Is that true, or can he use the site
>admin password to get access to the list administrative page and reset the
>password that way?  It looks to me from the documentation that he should be
>able to.

The site password can be used (by he who knows it) to enter the admin pages
for your list and do anything you could do had you not lost your password.
Including changing the admin password.

If that person has lost the site password, then the sitepass program can be
run by someone with enough access to the host machine to set a site
password.

   --John
-- 
John Baxter   jwblist at olympus.net      Port Ludlow, WA, USA



From blurr at txraves.org  Wed Dec 27 00:40:30 2000
From: blurr at txraves.org (jordan)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:40:30 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list...
References: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001224234829.9854F-100000@locke.ccil.org>
Message-ID: <008c01c06f95$9cd1f6b0$aa73a218@groovebox>

me three

] jordan
] blurr at txraves.org
] http://www.txraves.org/

"a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cordell H. Thomas" <cht at ccil.org>
To: "Mike Cisar" <marauder at morepower.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Renaming a list...


> Me too
> 
> Del 
> 
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Mike Cisar wrote:
> 
> > Is there any quick and dirty way of renaming a list under Mailman?  I've run
> > into a situation where I've got 2 lists with about 200 members on each and
> > their names are so close that a quick typo seems to be resulting in a lot of
> > postings going to the wrong list.  I've decided the easiest way to resolve
> > this is to just rename one of the lists, but I'd rather not have to create a
> > new list, move the subscriptions over, etc, etc if it is at all possible to
> > avoid that.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > >>>>> Mike <<<<<
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> > 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Wed Dec 27 02:46:06 2000
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:46:06 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Renaming a list...
In-Reply-To: <008c01c06f95$9cd1f6b0$aa73a218@groovebox>; from blurr@txraves.org on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 05:40:30PM -0600
References: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001224234829.9854F-100000@locke.ccil.org> <008c01c06f95$9cd1f6b0$aa73a218@groovebox>
Message-ID: <20001227124606.S890@tertius.net.au>

>From memory ONLY, filter through a pile of clues before using ...

Turn off MTA
Go into your MTA aliases and update $oldname aliases to $newname
Go into $prefix/archives/public/
mv $oldname $newname
mv $oldname.mbox $newname.mbox
Go into $prefix/archives/private/
mv $oldname $newname
mv $oldname.mbox $newname.mbox
Go into admin web page and update names there
Turn MTA back on



bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: I bet the human brain is a kludge.  -- Marvin Minsky



From liu.dongsheng at etang.net  Wed Dec 27 12:08:18 2000
From: liu.dongsheng at etang.net (Tonny Liu)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:08:18 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to active a maillist
Message-ID: <023a01c06ff5$52e0d1b0$5405a8c0@tonny>

Hi,I'm a newer to maillist and mailman, I used qmail as MTA,I created a user list named spt, and add two users to this list. In the welcome letter, a user was told he  can use spt at spt.cj.com.cn to post his mail,but was told that spt at spt.cj.com.cn is a illegal email address.

Can anybody told me why,thanks in advance.  
 

Tonny.
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From bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie  Wed Dec 27 12:45:48 2000
From: bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie (bobb+mailman-users at redbrick.dcu.ie)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:45:48 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to active a maillist
In-Reply-To: <023a01c06ff5$52e0d1b0$5405a8c0@tonny>; from liu.dongsheng@etang.net on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 07:08:18PM +0800
References: <023a01c06ff5$52e0d1b0$5405a8c0@tonny>
Message-ID: <20001227114548.A23910@dalom.internal>

Tonny Liu hath declared on Wednesday the 27 day of December 2000  :-:
> Hi,I'm a newer to maillist and mailman, I used qmail as MTA,I created a user list named spt, and add two users to this list. In the welcome letter, a user was told he  can use spt at spt.cj.com.cn to post his mail,but was told that spt at spt.cj.com.cn is a illegal email address.
> 
> Can anybody told me why,thanks in advance.  

Well, a nslookup of spt.cj.com.cn gives "Non-existent host/domain"
nor can any MX records for the domain be found. If you controll the
DNS for the cj.com.cn domain, just add an entry for spt.

-- 
Robert "bobb" Crosbie.
System Administrator, Internet Ireland.



From BizInfo2 at aol.com  Wed Dec 27 09:19:46 2000
From: BizInfo2 at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:19:46
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FREE SAMPLE
Message-ID: <20001227141514.C6BC8E9C4@mail.python.org>

     TYPE IN YOUR FAX NUMBER AND PUSH YOUR SEND BUTTON TO RECEIVE A FREE 
SAMPLE OF OVER 40,000 REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY LISTINGS.  ALL CONTAIN CONTACT 
INFORMATION INCLUDING SPOKESPERSON'S NAME. IN ADDITION, ALL HAVE FAX 
NUMBERS AS WELL AS PHONE NUMBERS. -- SAM



From davek at mail.commercedata.com  Wed Dec 27 18:44:31 2000
From: davek at mail.commercedata.com (Dave Klingler)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:44:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] permissions or smrsh?
Message-ID: <200012271744.KAA13612@mail.commercedata.com>

Hi folks.  I'm getting the following message on my mailman installation in 
a virtual server.  In any case a script isn't being run with the right 
permissions, but I'm not sure where the problem lies.  I do have a symbolic
link to wrapper in my /etc/smrsh directory.  I'll include the entire
mail, just in case someone can glean something.

TIA if anyone has any ideas.

Dave Klingler

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--KAA13570.977938672/mail.beersellers.net

The original message was received at Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:37:50 -0700
from IDENT:root at beersellers.net [208.248.173.68]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"
    (expanded from: <test-request at beersellers.net>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 69, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd", line 64, in main
    msg.Enqueue(mlist, torequest=1)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 176, in Enqueue
    dbfp = Utils.open_ex(dbfile, 'w')
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 606, in open_ex
    fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/qfiles/e278552a9dd6265115c6b374647dd2990a8be55e.db'
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 1

--KAA13570.977938672/mail.beersellers.net
Content-Type: message/delivery-status

Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.beersellers.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; beersellers.net
Arrival-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:37:50 -0700

Final-Recipient: RFC822; <test-request at beersellers.net>
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test at mail.beerselllers.net
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:37:52 -0700

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help

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From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Wed Dec 27 19:04:57 2000
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Jason)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:04:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Errors...
Message-ID: <3A4A2F49.E4DEF027@opensourcedirectory.com>

Hey  I was wondering If I installed mailman with spm (slackware package
manager) because for some reason I can't install it from source.
I installed the rpm version and its giving me GID errors... I was
wondering if there is a way to change the GID of mailman or change the
GID of the group or something to make mailman work?

Is that possible...
change the GID of a rpm installed on a slackware system.

jason




From marauder at morepower.com  Wed Dec 27 19:20:14 2000
From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 11:20:14 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Renaming a list... (Bek Oberin)
In-Reply-To: <20001227170130.D7816E984@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBKCPHOPMPCHPCNLMKGEAODPAA.marauder@morepower.com>

I was under the impression that the Admin page would process case changes
only on the list name (at least thats what it says :-) ??

Cheers,
>>>>> Mike <<<<<

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bek Oberin <gossamer at tertius.net.au>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Renaming a list...
> >From memory ONLY, filter through a pile of clues before using ...
...
> Go into admin web page and update names there
> Turn MTA back on




From lj at mandala-designs.com  Wed Dec 27 19:48:59 2000
From: lj at mandala-designs.com (Leonard Jacobs)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:48:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Seems like a bug with Mailman 2.0
Message-ID: <3A49F34B.31338.D564CAB@localhost>

Running Mailman 2.0 on a unix box with Python 2.0, I have been 
experiencing problems when users have vacation messages 
replying to my postings.

In one case a user received 300 messages because Mailman 
seemed to incorrectly interpret the vacation message. A snippet is 
posted below:
===========================================
Received: from arktouros.spdcc.com
	by ngwnameserver; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:32:13 -0800
Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO arktouros.spdcc.com)
	by arktouros.spdcc.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) via ESMTP
	id <AAA02160-kenwilber-admin at lists.shambhala.com> for
<timm at jsanet.com>;
	Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:32:26 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 00:32:26 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <200012210532.AAA02160 at arktouros.spdcc.com>
Subject: Mailman results for KenWilber
From: kenwilber-request at lists.shambhala.com
To: timm at jsanet.com
X-Ack: no
Sender: kenwilber-admin at lists.shambhala.com
Errors-To: kenwilber-admin at lists.shambhala.com
X-BeenThere: kenwilber at lists.shambhala.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0
Precedence: bulk
List-Help: <mailto:kenwilber-
request at lists.shambhala.com?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:kenwilber at lists.shambhala.com>
List-Subscribe: 
<http://lists.shambhala.com/mailman/listinfo/kenwilber>,
	<mailto:kenwilber-
request at lists.shambhala.com?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: Email List <kenwilber.lists.shambhala.com>
List-Unsubscribe:
<http://lists.shambhala.com/mailman/listinfo/kenwilber>,
	<mailto:kenwilber-
request at lists.shambhala.com?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.shambhala.com/pipermail/kenwilber/>

This is an automated response.

There were problems with the email commands you sent to 
Mailman via
the administrative address <kenwilber-
request at lists.shambhala.com>.

To obtain instructions on valid Mailman email commands, send 
email to
<kenwilber-request at lists.shambhala.com> with the word "help" in 
the
subject line or in the body of the message.

If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list,
please send your message to <kenwilber-
admin at lists.shambhala.com>.

The following is a detailed description of the problems.

>>>>> Subject line ignored:
>>>>>   Mailman results for KenWilber ( -Reply (out until 12/27))
Command? I'm out of the office until Wed 12/27 (or maybe Thurs 
12/2...
Command? Thanks,
Command? Tim Messick
Command? >>> kenwilber-request 12/20/00 21:20 >>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Too many errors encountered; the rest of the message is 
ignored:
> 
> This is an automated response.
============================================
This message seemed to get stuck in a loop and at least 300 
copies of this message were delivered to the user when he returned 
after vacation.

Is this a sendmail issue? Seem like a Mailman error. Any 
suggestions?

Thanks.
------------------
   
  Leonard Jacobs
  www.mandala-designs.com
  (508) 359-5473




From dave at thewebmark.com  Wed Dec 27 20:41:59 2000
From: dave at thewebmark.com (David Koopman)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:41:59 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cannot seem to get it working
Message-ID: <00b201c0703d$13b949c0$1301a8c0@digizip.com>

I have mailman installed on my machine:

http://www.twmtest.com/mailman/listinfo

and I have set up a mailing list correctly:  mailman and php

It was working for a couple days, I have been able to subscribe members,
send e-mails to the list, e-mail subscription was working, everything worked
fine....

Now, however, all of a sudden, mailman will not send any e-mails out.  In
frustration, I have removed the list altogether with rmlist and then
recreated it.  Still it will not work.

The last thing I did was send an e-mail to: mailman-request at twmtest.com with
the word subscribe in the subject and body.
In my /var/log/maillog, the last entry is this:
Dec 27 12:15:59 linux-server postfix/local[1003]: 848B5705FB:
to=<mailman-request at twmtest.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent
("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailman")

That looks good.  My aliases file contains these lines (I have ran
newaliases afterwards too):
mailman: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman"
mailman-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner mailman"
mailman-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd mailman"
mailman-owner:   mailman-admin

I haven't changed any configuration, it just stopped working.  It simply
doesn't work.  Can anyone help?  What should I look at?  If I send an e-mail
to:  mailman at twmtest.com -- it appears to work just fine, but no e-mails are
sent and no administrative tasks are created!!  If I send an e-mail to
mailman-request at twmtest.com  --  again, it is not returned, but it doesn't
respond to the sender.  It is acting like mailman is accepting the mail,
then discarding it with no error returned to the sender.  My maillog file
looks totally normal, so something is going wrong with mailman, not postfix,
as far as I can tell.  I cannot believe it was working yesterday, then all
of a sudden stopped working.  I have even tried rebooting the server with
'shutdown -r now' just to see if that would help and it didn't.  Maybe it is
holding all of the stuff in a queue and it's waiting to process it?  If so,
how do I check that and turn that option off so it processes everything as
soon as possible?

Thank you for considering,

Dave Koopman





From wheakory at isu.edu  Fri Dec 29 00:09:30 2000
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:09:30 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List owners
Message-ID: <3A4BC82A.D584FE6F@isu.edu>

Is there a python script in /mailman/bin that will allow me to get all
of the list moderator  email address and
write them to a file.

Respond directly to wheakory at isu.edu

--
#########################################
Kory Wheatley
Academic Computing Analyst Sr.
Phone 282-3874
#########################################
Everything must point to him.





From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Thu Dec 28 00:37:39 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:37:39 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List owners
References: <3A4BC82A.D584FE6F@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <3A4A7D43.AD0B061B@west.sun.com>


Kory Wheatley wrote:
> 
> Is there a python script in /mailman/bin that will allow me to get all
> of the list moderator  email address and
> write them to a file.

No, but this little shell command will do it:


for f in lists/*/config.db ; do echo $f; bin/dumpdb $f | grep "'owner'"; done

Lesson: dumpdb will tell you *anything* about a list.

Much-better idea, if you control the server: standardize on "listname-owner"
or some such, and manage this with the aliases file.  Aliases are perfect for
this sort of indirection, and then all the owners are in one place.



From soros_gergely at nextra.hu  Thu Dec 28 02:13:14 2000
From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:13:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron jobs stopped
Message-ID: <02b401c0706b$5df62d40$1401a8c0@newbie>

Mailman 2.0 has been working wonderfully on our Raq (Redhat 6.2, Python 1.5)
until today. I don't have a clue of what's going on, any help is appreciated.

The qrunner cron job doesn't execute, instead it sends me the message:
/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/qrunner'

Same happens with:
/usr/bin/python: can't open file '/home/mailman/cron/gate_news'

Hope the following will help:

Regards

Gergely  


$ cat /home/mailman/logs/error
...
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear __builtin__._
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.path
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.argv
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.ps1
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.ps2
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.exitfunc
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.exc_type
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.exc_value
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.exc_traceback
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.last_type
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.last_value
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # clear sys.last_traceback
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # restore sys.stdin
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # restore sys.stdout
Dec 27 16:59:22 2000 qrunner(1990): # restore sys.stderr



$ su mailman
$ /usr/bin/python -Sv /home/mailman/cron/qrunner
# /usr/lib/python1.5/exceptions.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/exceptions.py
import exceptions # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/exceptions.pyc
Python 1.5.2 (#1, Feb  1 2000, 16:32:16)  [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- on linux-i386
Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam
# /usr/lib/python1.5/os.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/os.py
import os # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/os.pyc
import posix # builtin
# /usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py
import posixpath # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/stat.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/stat.py
import stat # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/stat.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/UserDict.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/UserDict.py
import UserDict # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/UserDict.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/string.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/string.py
import string # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/string.pyc
import strop # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/stropmodule.so
import time # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/timemodule.so
import marshal # builtin
# /usr/lib/python1.5/mimetools.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/mimetools.py
import mimetools # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/mimetools.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/rfc822.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/rfc822.py
import rfc822 # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/rfc822.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/tempfile.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/tempfile.py
import tempfile # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/tempfile.pyc
# /home/mailman/cron/paths.pyc matches /home/mailman/cron/paths.py
import paths # precompiled from /home/mailman/cron/paths.pyc
import Mailman # directory /home/mailman/Mailman
# /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.py
import Mailman # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/__init__.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
import Mailman.mm_cfg # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py
import Mailman.Defaults # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.py
import Mailman.Version # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Version.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py
import Mailman.Utils # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/re.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/re.py
import re # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/re.pyc
import pcre # builtin
# /usr/lib/python1.5/types.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/types.py
import types # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/types.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.py
import regsub # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/regsub.pyc
import regex # builtin
# /usr/lib/python1.5/random.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/random.py
import random # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/random.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/whrandom.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/whrandom.py
import whrandom # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/whrandom.pyc
import math # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/mathmodule.so
# /usr/lib/python1.5/urlparse.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/urlparse.py
import urlparse # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/urlparse.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.py
import Mailman.Errors # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Errors.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.py
import Mailman.Crypt # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Crypt.pyc
import crypt # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/cryptmodule.so
import binascii # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/binascii.so
# /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py
import Mailman.MailList # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.pyc
import errno # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/errnomodule.so
# /usr/lib/python1.5/shutil.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/shutil.py
import shutil # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/shutil.pyc
import socket # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/socketmodule.so
# /usr/lib/python1.5/urllib.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/urllib.py
import urllib # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/urllib.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py
import Mailman.LockFile # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py
import Mailman.ListAdmin # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Message.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py
import Mailman.Message # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Message.pyc
import sha # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/shamodule.so
import Mailman.pythonlib # directory /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib
# /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.py
import Mailman.pythonlib # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/__init__.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py
import Mailman.pythonlib.rfc822 # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.pyc
import Mailman.Handlers # directory /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/__init__.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/__init__.py
import Mailman.Handlers # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/__init__.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py
import Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/traceback.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/traceback.py
import traceback # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/traceback.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/linecache.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/linecache.py
import linecache # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/linecache.pyc
import Mailman.Logging # directory /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/__init__.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/__init__.py
import Mailman.Logging # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/__init__.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.py
import Mailman.Logging.Syslog # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Syslog.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py
import Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py
import Mailman.Logging.Logger # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.py
import Mailman.Logging.Utils # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Utils.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.py
import Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/StringIO.pyc
import cStringIO # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/cStringIO.so
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py
import Mailman.Deliverer # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py
import Mailman.MailCommandHandler # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py
import Mailman.HTMLFormatter # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py
import Mailman.htmlformat # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.pyc
import Mailman.Archiver # directory /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py
import Mailman.Archiver # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py
import Mailman.Archiver.Archiver # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py
import Mailman.Mailbox # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/mailbox.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/mailbox.py
import mailbox # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/mailbox.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py
import Mailman.Digester # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Digester.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py
import Mailman.SecurityManager # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py
import Mailman.Cookie # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.pyc
# /usr/lib/python1.5/copy_reg.pyc matches /usr/lib/python1.5/copy_reg.py
import copy_reg # precompiled from /usr/lib/python1.5/copy_reg.pyc
import cPickle # dynamically loaded from /usr/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/cPickle.so
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py
import Mailman.Bouncer # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py
import Mailman.GatewayManager # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.py
import Mailman.Autoresponder # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Autoresponder.pyc
import Mailman.Bouncers # directory /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.py
import Mailman.Bouncers # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/__init__.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.py
import Mailman.Bouncers.BouncerAPI # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Bouncers/BouncerAPI.pyc
# /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.pyc matches /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py
import Mailman.Logging.MultiLogger # precompiled from /home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.pyc
# cleanup __main__
# cleanup[1] paths
# cleanup[1] cPickle
# cleanup[1] math
# cleanup[1] crypt
# cleanup[1] strop
# cleanup[1] copy_reg
# cleanup[1] mimetools
# cleanup[1] exceptions
# cleanup[1] posix
# cleanup[1] signal
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Archiver.Archiver
# cleanup[1] binascii
# cleanup[1] tempfile
# cleanup[1] pcre
# cleanup[1] cStringIO
# cleanup[1] Mailman
# cleanup[1] Mailman.MailList
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Archiver
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Autoresponder
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Version
# cleanup[1] Mailman.htmlformat
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Handlers
# cleanup[1] urllib
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Defaults
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Deliverer
# cleanup[1] Mailman.MailCommandHandler
# cleanup[1] shutil
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Logging
# cleanup[1] Mailman.LockFile
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger
# cleanup[1] Mailman.GatewayManager
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Bouncers
# cleanup[1] Mailman.ListAdmin
# cleanup[1] Mailman.pythonlib
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Logging.MultiLogger
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Bouncer
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Logging.Logger
# cleanup[1] Mailman.HTMLFormatter
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Digester
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Logging.Utils
# cleanup[1] Mailman.SecurityManager
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Mailbox
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Logging.Syslog
# cleanup[1] socket
# cleanup[1] mailbox
# cleanup[1] rfc822
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI
# cleanup[1] Mailman.pythonlib.StringIO
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Cookie
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Message
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Bouncers.BouncerAPI
# cleanup[1] errno
# cleanup[1] marshal
# cleanup[1] traceback
# cleanup[1] Mailman.pythonlib.rfc822
# cleanup[1] sha
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Utils
# cleanup[1] regsub
# cleanup[1] regex
# cleanup[1] types
# cleanup[1] time
# cleanup[1] linecache
# cleanup[1] urlparse
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Crypt
# cleanup[1] re
# cleanup[1] Mailman.Errors
# cleanup[1] Mailman.mm_cfg
# cleanup[1] random
# cleanup[1] whrandom
# cleanup[1] string
# cleanup[2] os
# cleanup[2] os.path
# cleanup[2] stat
# cleanup[2] UserDict
# cleanup[2] posixpath
# cleanup sys
# cleanup __builtin__
# cleanup ints: 2 unfreed ints in 1 out of 4 blocks
# cleanup floats






From soros_gergely at nextra.hu  Thu Dec 28 02:37:42 2000
From: soros_gergely at nextra.hu (Gergely Soros)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:37:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Cron jobs stopped
References: <20001227170131.38A0FE985@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <032401c0706e$cafbffc0$1401a8c0@newbie>

Hi all,

The error has been solved, of course it was the admin's (my) fault and not good ol' Mailman's.
It's too ridiculous to be described, so please just forgive me for bothering you!

Regs

Gergely




From rog at saas.nsw.edu.au  Thu Dec 28 03:38:43 2000
From: rog at saas.nsw.edu.au (Roger Buck)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:38:43 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 7.2 install problem
References: <20001226170112.ADC29E903@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3A4AA7B3.98A7F418@saas.nsw.edu.au>

Mailman 2.0 installation hangs during conftest (using Mailman tarball
v2.0 and from mailman-2.0-1mdk.rpm binaries/source). The rpm will
install but will hang when run. The src.rpm hangs on the conftest - same
problem as install from source.

Running the command:

# python

reports python 1.5.2 (#1 Sept 30 2000 GCC 2.95.3 on linux 386)

I have tried re-intsalling python-1.5.2-12mdk.i586.rpm and associated
packages but with no luck.

Any hints gratefully accepted.

Does anyone have Mailman installed and working on Mandrake 7.2?

R.



From darron at javelindigital.com  Thu Dec 28 08:00:56 2000
From: darron at javelindigital.com (Darron Froese)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:00:56 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 7.2 install problem
In-Reply-To: <3A4AA7B3.98A7F418@saas.nsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <B6703338.9A2B%darron@javelindigital.com>

On 12/27/00 7:38 PM, "Roger Buck" <rog at saas.nsw.edu.au> wrote:

> Mailman 2.0 installation hangs during conftest (using Mailman tarball
> v2.0 and from mailman-2.0-1mdk.rpm binaries/source). The rpm will
> install but will hang when run. The src.rpm hangs on the conftest - same
> problem as install from source.
>
> Does anyone have Mailman installed and working on Mandrake 7.2?

I have *never* been able to get Mailman to run on any Mandrake system I
have. I've tried with Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1 without success. When I do the
same install process on RedHat 6.2 it works like a charm.

If you're using the "secure" kernel with Mandrake, please note that it may
have the Openwall secure linux patch installed which will create problems
with Mailman. There is a fix in the contrib folder called
"securelinux_fix.py"

Since I was successful in getting it to run with RedHat - I was going to go
back and bang on Mandrake again to see if I could *make* it run - but I
haven't had time.
--
darron froese
new media technologist
sutton javelin corporate communications
t  403.265.9980
f  403.265.7662
e  darron at javelindigital.com




From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec 28 15:45:51 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:45:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID Errors...
In-Reply-To: <3A4A2F49.E4DEF027@opensourcedirectory.com>; from jaym@opensourcedirectory.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 02:04:57PM -0400
References: <3A4A2F49.E4DEF027@opensourcedirectory.com>
Message-ID: <20001228154551.C9902@gandalf.merlins.org>

On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 02:04:57PM -0400, Jason wrote:
> Hey  I was wondering If I installed mailman with spm (slackware package
> manager) because for some reason I can't install it from source.
> I installed the rpm version and its giving me GID errors... I was
> wondering if there is a way to change the GID of mailman or change the
> GID of the group or something to make mailman work?
> 
> Is that possible...
> change the GID of a rpm installed on a slackware system.

No, you can't change the GID in a pre-built binary.
Just get the source, and run configure with the suitable options for your
system (hint: read the docs).

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From jaym at opensourcedirectory.com  Thu Dec 28 16:21:23 2000
From: jaym at opensourcedirectory.com (Jason)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:21:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Abnormal problem with mailman.
Message-ID: <3A4B5A72.84FB7E08@opensourcedirectory.com>

Yeh I installed mailman via rpm on my slackware system (really really
long explanation... because it wouldn't compile on the box... something
about ginstall) anyhow... Now I'm getting errors with the
GID I was wondering how I would go abouts changing the GID of either
Mailman or Of the cgi user?

If anyone would know how to do that.  Because I can't recompile it with
--cgi-gid.... because it won't compile... thats why I installed it via
rpm (slackware package manager actually)...

Any ideas on how to help me out would be appreciated ...

Thanks again :)




From skk at wncpa.com  Thu Dec 28 16:38:45 2000
From: skk at wncpa.com (Sean K. Kelly)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:38:45 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to expand threads in archive?
Message-ID: <011ECEFE40BAD211AB900080C84DEB9C16CF1E@mynah.wncpa.com>

Just installed version 2 on RedHat 6.2 running Apache.

I see from visiting other archives that when sorting by thread the thread
"tree" is expanded.  I can only see the top level or start of each thread.
I can follow the thread by selecting "next message", but I cannot see the
replies on the main archive page.

Apologies if I have missed something obvious in the install docs..

thanks

Sean Kelly



From matt at thoene.net  Thu Dec 28 16:45:49 2000
From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:45:49 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error when sending requests through MailMan wrapper
Message-ID: <00122807454901.01209@tiger>

Hi,

When sending anything through the MailMan program I get this error...

  ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
"|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd xx"
    (expanded from: <xx-request at domain.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/lib/majordomo-1.94.5/mailcmd failed: No such 
file or directory
    Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
    HOME is HOME=/usr/lib/majordomo-1.94.5,
    PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb,
    SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
    MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/lib/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
451 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd xx"... Operating system error

Why is it trying majordomo??  Also, what is this Operating system error?

Thanks.

-Matt



From bob at nleaudio.com  Thu Dec 28 19:47:03 2000
From: bob at nleaudio.com (Bob Puff@NLE)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:47:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 7.2 install problem
References: <B6703338.9A2B%darron@javelindigital.com>
Message-ID: <3A4B8AA7.11F4702F@nleaudio.com>

I am running Mailman on Mandrake 7.1.  I did NOT install from a RPM - compiled the source.  It did take a bit of doing, and I think I ended up using "nobody" instead of "mailman" - don't remember exactly.  But it does work.

BOb



From mdunston at music.vt.edu  Thu Dec 28 20:45:28 2000
From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (Michael Dunston)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:45:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading results in duplicate Python files ?
Message-ID: <19341122131712.28786@mail.music.vt.edu>

I recently upgraded both Python (1.52 -> 2.0) and Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0)
and now appear to have duplicate python files in the 'Mailman' directory.
 (Mac OSXS 1.2)

ex: aliases.py
    aliases.pyc
    Bouncer.py
    Bouncer.pyc
    etc.

Does anyone know what the '.pyc' files are and if it is safe to simply
remove them?   THanks for any suggestions.

. . .  .  .   .   .    .    .     .     .
Michael Dunston
Music and Technology
http://www.music.vt.edu
Virginia Tech School of the Arts



From matt at thoene.net  Thu Dec 28 19:26:24 2000
From: matt at thoene.net (Matt Thoene)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:26:24 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error when sending requests through MailMan wrapper
In-Reply-To: <00122807454901.01209@tiger>
References: <00122807454901.01209@tiger>
Message-ID: <00122810262402.01209@tiger>

On Thursday 28 December 2000 07:45, Matt Thoene wrote:
:: Hi,
::
:: When sending anything through the MailMan program I get this error...
::
::   ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors -----
:: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd xx"
::     (expanded from: <xx-request at domain.com>)
::
::    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
:: wrapper: Trying to exec /usr/lib/majordomo-1.94.5/mailcmd failed: No such
:: file or directory
::     Did you define PERL correctly in the Makefile?
::     HOME is HOME=/usr/lib/majordomo-1.94.5,
::     PATH is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb,
::     SHELL is SHELL=/bin/sh,
::     MAJORDOMO_CF is MAJORDOMO_CF=/usr/lib/majordomo-1.94.5/majordomo.cf
:: 451 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd xx"... Operating system error
::
:: Why is it trying majordomo??  Also, what is this Operating system error?
::
:: Thanks.
::
:: -Matt

My apologies...just found an explanation in the readme.sendmail file.

-Matt



From dana-johnson at home.com  Thu Dec 28 21:59:23 2000
From: dana-johnson at home.com (Dana Johnson)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:59:23 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe me
Message-ID: <NDBBJHDDOFANALHPGAGOCEGPCGAA.dana-johnson@home.com>



Dana Johnson

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From scott-brown at home.com  Fri Dec 29 02:17:35 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:17:35 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Buglet or Bozo? Problems with the /mailman/admin/(listname)/members  (ie, membership management admin) page
Message-ID: <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

I've got a problem....I've got a large (600+ user) list

When the list admin (or I, with the site password) go into this page, and
try to select a different chunk of users to display on the page, the chunk
never changes, it's always the first 30 addresses that are shown.

The URL is changing, but the contents of the page are not.

I dont believe this to be a proxy problem (I dont use one), or cache problem
(shift-refresh under IE does not get the correct page)....

Mailman version is 2.0
Python version is 1.6

Does anyone have any ideas?




From modesty at sfsu.edu  Fri Dec 29 04:14:42 2000
From: modesty at sfsu.edu (MARIA ELENA ROCABADO PHAM)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:14:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated option
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1001228191342.16169A-100000@libra.sfsu.edu>

Hi I administer a list, how do you make a list moderated? 

Thanks
and happy Holidays.


//Maria






From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Fri Dec 29 05:15:20 2000
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:15:20 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo? Problems with the /mailman/admin/(listname)/members  (ie, membership management admin) page
In-Reply-To: <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>; from scott-brown@home.com on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 08:17:35PM -0500
References: <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <20001229151520.B26037@tertius.net.au>

Scott Brown wrote:
> When the list admin (or I, with the site password) go into this page, and
> try to select a different chunk of users to display on the page, the chunk
> never changes, it's always the first 30 addresses that are shown.

I've had this problem off and on.  Clearing out the cookies and
the cache and going back again the next morning has helped, but I
don't actually know how to fix it or anything.

At least it's not just you :-/.


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: I was just taken to wondering about why we, in this culture,
: think that we can tame people completely and not leave them
: broken.  Maybe that's why we have so many broken people and
: broken relationships - and why many of us are simply wild
: women.  -- Callahan, boychicks-l



From gjd at telesoft.ca  Fri Dec 29 05:35:36 2000
From: gjd at telesoft.ca (Gary de Montigny)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:35:36 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 7.2 install problem
In-Reply-To: <3A4AA7B3.98A7F418@saas.nsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <6d8cb6b0d83aebb52b37f85385b58599.gjd@telesoft.ca>

This message was sent from: Mailman Assistance.
<http://telesoft.ca/phorum/read.php?f=4&i=473&t=462> 
----------------------------------------------------------------

I am running on Mandrake 7.2.  Compiled it from the source code and
configured it with the following:

--with-cgi-gid=apache
--with-mail-gid=mail

Works like a charm.

Please note I am not using the secure kernel.

Thanks,

Gary de Montigny


----------------------------------------------------------------
Sent using Phorum software version 3.2.11 <http://phorum.org> 



From liu.dongsheng at etang.net  Fri Dec 29 08:27:41 2000
From: liu.dongsheng at etang.net (Tonny Liu)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:27:41 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to configure aliases in two server?
References: <19341122131712.28786@mail.music.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <009101c07168$d564e2b0$5405a8c0@tonny>

Dear Everyone:
     I installed  mailman in one computer, and using the MTA(qmail) which runs on another computer, after I created a new list,how to add the list of aliases generated? for example: I add one line into the /etc/aliases of MTA server
    spt:  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spt" 
but how can MTA find "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper "?

thanks in advance. 

Tonny.

From jdkc at woptura.com  Fri Dec 29 15:56:26 2000
From: jdkc at woptura.com (J.D.K. Chipps)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 08:56:26 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
Message-ID: <3A4CA61A.E93752EE@woptura.com>

Is there anyway to strip attachments from posts?



From reb at taco.com  Fri Dec 29 15:19:03 2000
From: reb at taco.com (Phydeaux)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:19:03 -0500
Subject: Admin chunksize (was: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo?)
In-Reply-To: <20001229151520.B26037@tertius.net.au>
References: <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
 <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20001229091338.03999b78@taco.com>

At 03:15 PM 12/29/2000 +1100, Bek Oberin wrote:
>Scott Brown wrote:
> > When the list admin (or I, with the site password) go into this page, and
> > try to select a different chunk of users to display on the page, the chunk
> > never changes, it's always the first 30 addresses that are shown.
>
>I've had this problem off and on.  Clearing out the cookies and
>the cache and going back again the next morning has helped, but I
>don't actually know how to fix it or anything.
>
>At least it's not just you :-/.

I've not had this problem, but I tried to change the chunk size via the
mm_cfg.py file. I set this:

DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100

with no effect. I still get chunks of 30. I could change it in Defaults.py but
I'd rather not have my changes wiped out if/when I upgrade. Besides,
all the other things I changed worked fine. Does anyone have a clue?

reb




From chris at vanoosterhout.com  Fri Dec 29 16:27:36 2000
From: chris at vanoosterhout.com (Christopher VanOosterhout)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 10:27:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20001229100556.045cc070@192.168.0.7>

I have just installed mailman (pretty painless even for a non-sys-admin 
like me).  It looks like it will work well.

Now I am looking for some hints on how I may manage multiple lists 
centrally.  In other words I would like my users to have as painless as 
possible experience managing their subscriptions.

Here are a couple of questions:

1) ABOUT MMSITEPASS COMMAND What if my some odd chance a user selects the 
password set using the mmsitepass command?  Will they be allowed to use 
that password?  If so, they could in fact access anything ... right?  Now 
with that in mind, what if I want to use the mmsitepass for various 
maintenance operations during a period of time and then remove it to 
tighten security.  Can the password be revoked/removed and then re-invoked 
from time to time?

2) Is anyone using a single form to provide subscribe / unsubscribe 
requests to multiple lists?

Thanks,

Christopher


-
Christopher VanOosterhout
Torresen Marine, Inc.
Internet Division
http://www.torresen.com
3126 Lake Shore Drive
Muskegon, Michigan 49441
231-759-8596




From dmunoz at meyersgroup.com  Fri Dec 29 16:33:23 2000
From: dmunoz at meyersgroup.com (Douglas Munoz)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 07:33:23 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination
Message-ID: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEKELCCPAA.dmunoz@meyersgroup.com>

I am running a very small, un-moderated list for the internal staff of my
company. It is basically set up to allow non-members (job seekers) to post
messages (resumes) to list members (HR).

Every couple of days I will get notification that a message requires
administrative review. The reason given is:

Reason:  Message has implicit destination

I can't seem to figure out what is going on. I have looked through the
message excerpt on each to find a common thread, but no luck.

Thanks

=Doug=

The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better".
So I loaded LINUX.




From john.read at newnet-marketing.de  Fri Dec 29 15:49:07 2000
From: john.read at newnet-marketing.de (John Read)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:49:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing standard texts, and lists command
Message-ID: <HEEEINCDJICMEDNLFGEEOEGNCAAA.john.read@newnet-marketing.de>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

hello,
I am setting mailman to run lists where some are in German, and
others in English. I have edited the texts in ./templates to include
both languages, but some body texts and subject texts dont seem to
tbe there. Where can I find them?

Question: is it possible to set up a list to use specific text files
from the ./templates directory (for example - in German)?   

Question: I would like to stop anybody querying "lists" via the
xxx-request. Is this possible??

Thanks in advance. 
- --
John Read
NewNet Marketing
Waldweg 15
83558 Maitenbeth
Tel: +49-8076-8879818
Fax: +49-8076-8879819 

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Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com>

iQA/AwUBOkyWVNflThNvxm27EQL1OACg1jcskUlFLz5QkzgNTN48jYUxR5cAoLYT
gQru0U8753HutDr1FhDQHvX6
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From ddewitt at yorku.ca  Fri Dec 29 17:35:09 2000
From: ddewitt at yorku.ca (David Dewitt)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:35:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] please remove me from your list
Message-ID: <4.0.1.20001229113447.00f213a0@postoffice.yorku.ca>




David Dewitt, Director
Centre for International and Security Studies
Professor of Political Science
York University, Toronto, Canada  M3J 1P3
Tel:  (416) 736-5156    Fax:  (416) 736-5752
E-mail:  ddewitt at yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/research/ciss/welcome.htm



From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec 28 22:04:18 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:04:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Renaming a list...
In-Reply-To: <20001227124606.S890@tertius.net.au>; from gossamer@tertius.net.au on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 12:46:06PM +1100
References: <Pine.BSI.3.96.1001224234829.9854F-100000@locke.ccil.org> <008c01c06f95$9cd1f6b0$aa73a218@groovebox> <20001227124606.S890@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <20001228220417.C12220@gandalf.merlins.org>

On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 12:46:06PM +1100, Bek Oberin wrote:
> 
> >From memory ONLY, filter through a pile of clues before using ...
> 
> Turn off MTA
> Go into your MTA aliases and update $oldname aliases to $newname
> Go into $prefix/archives/public/
> mv $oldname $newname
> mv $oldname.mbox $newname.mbox
> Go into $prefix/archives/private/
> mv $oldname $newname
> mv $oldname.mbox $newname.mbox
> Go into admin web page and update names there

- Run move_list $newname to update the pathnames to the new archive directories

> Turn MTA back on

Marc
-- 
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                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
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From marc_news at valinux.com  Thu Dec 28 17:09:43 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:09:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] config_list
In-Reply-To: <esnnbngki.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>; from khj@cs.appstate.edu on Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:11:25PM -0500
References: <esnnbngki.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>
Message-ID: <20001228170943.E9902@gandalf.merlins.org>

On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:11:25PM -0500, Kenneth Jacker wrote:
> I'd like to use "config_list" to transfer list ALPHA's configuration
> to a new list BETA.  Is this the recommended procedure?
> 
> 
>   1) bin/config_list -o config.ALPHA  ALPHA
> 
>   2) cp config.ALPHA config.BETA
> 
>   3) Use an editor to change all occurrences of "ALPHA" in
>      "config.BETA" to "BETA"
> 
>   4) bin/newlist BETA
> 
>   5) bin/config_list -i config.BETA BETA

You will lose your list membership if you do that.

The procedure is:
- rename the archive dirs and files
- rename list/alpha in list/beta
- ~mailman/bin/move_list beta

(or something close to this, I'm not online right now)

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From khj at cs.appstate.edu  Fri Dec 29 19:16:59 2000
From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 29 Dec 2000 13:16:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Not Allowing Local Archive Access
Message-ID: <e1yurytwk.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu>

I have a hunch I'm just being dense/stupid, but I'm not sure how to
make (a least some) list archives unreadable on the 'Mailman' host.

It appears everything under ~mailman has at least `--x' permissions
for the world/others and many have 'r-x' or just 'r--'.

What do I do to make certain list archives *unreadable* locally?

Thanks,

  -Kenneth



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Dec 29 20:12:56 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:12:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrading results in duplicate Python files ?
References: <19341122131712.28786@mail.music.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <3A4CE238.4721D339@west.sun.com>


Michael Dunston wrote:
> 
> I recently upgraded both Python (1.52 -> 2.0) and Mailman (2.0b5 -> 2.0)
> and now appear to have duplicate python files in the 'Mailman' directory.
>  (Mac OSXS 1.2)
> 
> ex: aliases.py
>     aliases.pyc
>     Bouncer.py
>     Bouncer.pyc
>     etc.

??  They're not duplicates at all; both their names and contents (and sizes,
and creation times) are different.  Why would you think they're
"duplicate"?

The .pyc files are compiled versions of Python code, and have existed in every
Mailman and Python version you've used; you just haven't noticed them until
now.  They're created by the "compile all files" step of "make install",
and recreated automagically by the Python interpreter if they don't exist
when you run the code in a .py file.



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Dec 29 20:14:03 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:14:03 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo? Problems with the 
 /mailman/admin/(listname)/members  (ie, membership management admin) 
 page
References: <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> <20001229151520.B26037@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <3A4CE27B.52184A1E@west.sun.com>

Does "shift-reload" (or whatever makes your particular browser ignore its cache
and issue a "please really reget this page" request) make any difference?

Bek Oberin wrote:
> 
> Scott Brown wrote:
> > When the list admin (or I, with the site password) go into this page, and
> > try to select a different chunk of users to display on the page, the chunk
> > never changes, it's always the first 30 addresses that are shown.
> 
> I've had this problem off and on.  Clearing out the cookies and
> the cache and going back again the next morning has helped, but I
> don't actually know how to fix it or anything.
> 
> At least it's not just you :-/.
> 
> bekj
> 
> --
> : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
> : gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
> : I was just taken to wondering about why we, in this culture,
> : think that we can tame people completely and not leave them
> : broken.  Maybe that's why we have so many broken people and
> : broken relationships - and why many of us are simply wild
> : women.  -- Callahan, boychicks-l
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Dec 29 20:16:05 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:16:05 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to configure aliases in two server?
References: <19341122131712.28786@mail.music.vt.edu> <009101c07168$d564e2b0$5405a8c0@tonny>
Message-ID: <3A4CE2F5.39B8494D@west.sun.com>


Tonny Liu wrote:
> 
> Dear Everyone:
>      I installed  mailman in one computer, and using the MTA(qmail) which runs on another computer, after I created a new list,how to add the list of aliases generated? for example: I add one line into the /etc/aliases of MTA server
>     spt:  "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post spt"
> but how can MTA find "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper "?

Well, pretty obviously, the MTA has to be able to forward to the host actually running
Mailman.  How about making the aliases say "spt: spt at mailman-host",
and then have mailman-host run an incoming MTA only?



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Fri Dec 29 20:17:12 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:17:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderated option
References: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1001228191342.16169A-100000@libra.sfsu.edu>
Message-ID: <3A4CE338.ABF20C9A@west.sun.com>


MARIA ELENA ROCABADO PHAM wrote:
> 
> Hi I administer a list, how do you make a list moderated?

Privacy Options/General Posting Filters.

If you haven't yet looked through *all* the admin pages, do it now;
there's stuff you want to know about there, even if you don't understand
it all now.



From chris at vanoosterhout.com  Fri Dec 29 20:33:12 2000
From: chris at vanoosterhout.com (Christopher VanOosterhout)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying to Figure Out (Are Email Commands Adjustable)
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20001229142930.060c8060@192.168.0.7>


Greetings,

Is there any reason why the address syntax for the subscribe / unsubscribe 
email commands are not identical?

I am working on a method of subscribing users via my own (guestbook style) 
interface.  The fact that address with subscribe requires 
address=address at host.com and unsubscribe only requires address at host.com

1) Is there a reason for this (functional or otherwise)?

2) Can this be changed in a setting, etc.






From scott-brown at home.com  Fri Dec 29 20:47:39 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:47:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo? Problems with the /mailman/admin/(listname)/members  (ie, membership management admin) page
Message-ID: <001f01c071d0$339ae7a0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Not for me...it's like it ignores anything after the ? in the URL when
Mailman is parsing it.  This is also happening when I click on the "details"
links inside the admin forms... a the page comes back with a new url in the
browser window - but no difference in the information shown.

> Does "shift-reload" (or whatever makes your particular
> browser ignore its cache
> and issue a "please really reget this page" request) make any
> difference?
>
> Bek Oberin wrote:
> >
> > Scott Brown wrote:
> > > When the list admin (or I, with the site password) go
> into this page, and
> > > try to select a different chunk of users to display on
> the page, the chunk
> > > never changes, it's always the first 30 addresses that are shown.
> >
> > I've had this problem off and on.  Clearing out the cookies and
> > the cache and going back again the next morning has helped, but I
> > don't actually know how to fix it or anything.
> >
> > At least it's not just you :-/.
> >
> > bekj
> >
> > --
> > : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
> > : gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
> > : I was just taken to wondering about why we, in this culture,
> > : think that we can tame people completely and not leave them
> > : broken.  Maybe that's why we have so many broken people and
> > : broken relationships - and why many of us are simply wild
> > : women.  -- Callahan, boychicks-l
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From meffblake at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 30 02:38:12 2000
From: meffblake at hotmail.com (Meff Blake)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:38:12 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing addy
Message-ID: <OE48MKDepexkeJesfx900001aa7@hotmail.com>

Hi Folks:
Happy New Year.

Hey, I've been trying to get my addy changed through the list, but it hasn't happened.  I finally got the Christianlists page, but I still can't get it to change the mailbox.  I don't want to unsub/resub, nor do I need to change passwords.  Can you help me?

Thanks
Meff Blake

I want to change from c_blake at email.msn.com to meffblake at hotmail.com   Again, Thanks
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From scott-brown at home.com  Sat Dec 30 01:48:31 2000
From: scott-brown at home.com (Scott Brown)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:48:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo? Problems with the /mailman/admin/(listname)/members  (ie, membership management admin) page
In-Reply-To: <3A4D0671.D0F22AFE@west.sun.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c071fa$3cd48fe0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>

Yes, it does seem to be my localhost proxy that is getting around the
SUEXEC...

It's not passing the "?...." off to the proxy request for some reason


 (anyone know why???)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Mick [mailto:Dan.Mick at west.sun.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 4:47 PM
> To: scott-brown at home.com
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo? Problems with the
> /mailman/admin/(listname)/members (ie, membership management
> admin) page
>
>
> Can you get it to log what it passes in the environment to
> the CGI, to make certain
> Mailman is getting the right info?  If not, you could
> instrument the Python code to
> log some things without too much effort...
>
> Scott Brown wrote:
> >
> > My server works just peachy with other routines which pass
> data on the url.
> > My own site runs PHP for most of it's pages, and passes
> info on the URL
> > fine.  UBB is set up on the domain which is experiencing
> this mailman
> > problem, and it uses data on the URL for cgi requests extensively.
> >
> > The only unique thing about the mailman setup is that it's
> proxied (but not
> > cached - There's a "NoCache *" directive in the httpd.conf)
> in order to get
> > around SUEXEC.  (This also means that mailman loses track
> of which domain
> > it's working under, so there's a few references to
> localhost in there, but
> > to my mind, that shouldnt cause havok with passing of, or
> interpretation of
> > cgi parameters)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan Mick [mailto:Dan.Mick at west.sun.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 3:22 PM
> > > To: scott-brown at home.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo? Problems with the
> > > /mailman/admin/(listname)/members (ie, membership management
> > > admin) page
> > >
> > >
> > > That's pretty weird.  I'd test the web server with a telnet
> > > to port 80 and a manual
> > > request; something very strange is going on.
> > >
> > > Scott Brown wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not for me...it's like it ignores anything after the ? in
> > > the URL when
> > > > Mailman is parsing it.  This is also happening when I click
> > > on the "details"
> > > > links inside the admin forms... a the page comes back with
> > > a new url in the
> > > > browser window - but no difference in the information shown.
> > > >
> > > > > Does "shift-reload" (or whatever makes your particular
> > > > > browser ignore its cache
> > > > > and issue a "please really reget this page" request) make any
> > > > > difference?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bek Oberin wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Scott Brown wrote:
> > > > > > > When the list admin (or I, with the site password) go
> > > > > into this page, and
> > > > > > > try to select a different chunk of users to display on
> > > > > the page, the chunk
> > > > > > > never changes, it's always the first 30 addresses
> > > that are shown.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've had this problem off and on.  Clearing out the
> cookies and
> > > > > > the cache and going back again the next morning has
> > > helped, but I
> > > > > > don't actually know how to fix it or anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At least it's not just you :-/.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bekj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > :
> --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
> > > > > > : gossamer at tertius.net.au
http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
> > > > > : I was just taken to wondering about why we, in this culture,
> > > > > : think that we can tame people completely and not leave them
> > > > > : broken.  Maybe that's why we have so many broken people and
> > > > > : broken relationships - and why many of us are simply wild
> > > > > : women.  -- Callahan, boychicks-l
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >




From marc_news at valinux.com  Sat Dec 30 01:32:24 2000
From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:32:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Abnormal problem with mailman.
In-Reply-To: <3A4B5A72.84FB7E08@opensourcedirectory.com>; from jaym@opensourcedirectory.com on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 11:21:23AM -0400
References: <3A4B5A72.84FB7E08@opensourcedirectory.com>
Message-ID: <20001230013224.J789@gandalf.merlins.org>

On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 11:21:23AM -0400, Jason wrote:
> If anyone would know how to do that.  Because I can't recompile it with
> --cgi-gid.... because it won't compile... thats why I installed it via
> rpm (slackware package manager actually)...
 
Fix your slackware or use a decent/recent distribution, mailman compiles
just fine on linux, and on many different distributions.
 
> Any ideas on how to help me out would be appreciated ...

You need to compile mailman for your  system, finding a binary that works on
your system is going to be rather hard.

Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to operating systems & security ....
                                      .... what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
  
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/   |   Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key



From roger at ninthave.net  Sat Dec 30 19:57:53 2000
From: roger at ninthave.net (roger at ninthave.net)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:57:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)
Message-ID: <978202673.3a4e3031ac7e2@ninthave.net>

Hi,

Is it possible, or will it ever be possible to download attachments from the
archives instead of seeing the encoding stuff?

thanks,

Roger



From alex at phred.org  Sun Dec 31 04:38:44 2000
From: alex at phred.org (alex wetmore)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:38:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <3A4CA61A.E93752EE@woptura.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0012301937130.17105-100000@phred.org>

On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, J.D.K. Chipps wrote:
> Is there anyway to strip attachments from posts?

I wrote a script for this called stripmime.  

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl

I put it before the wrapper script in my /etc/aliases.  Here is an 
example:

classicrendezvous:       "|/usr/local/bin/stripmime.pl|/usr2/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post classicrendezvous"

It strips all attachments besides plain text.

alex




From david at kenpro.com.au  Sun Dec 31 04:54:51 2000
From: david at kenpro.com.au (David)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:54:51 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments
In-Reply-To: <3A4CA61A.E93752EE@woptura.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10012311453090.6009-100000@fast.kenpro.com.au>

Someone on this list has written a script to do this.. 
I intend to try it, but I haven't done so yet.. you insert it in the
sendmail aliases pipe.

The url is 

http://www.phred.org/~alex/stripmime.pl

On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, J.D.K. Chipps wrote:

> Is there anyway to strip attachments from posts?
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From rog at saas.nsw.edu.au  Sun Dec 31 11:59:42 2000
From: rog at saas.nsw.edu.au (Roger Buck)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:59:42 +1100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 7.2 install problem
Message-ID: <3A4F119E.BC1DB62F@saas.nsw.edu.au>

Thanks to all those who responded to the python hang problem (see below)
when using Mandrake 7.2 - here's a quick solution, but no explanation of
why it works <grin>

Firstly, the openwall secure kernel patches do NOT cause the problem per
se - I have installed multiple clean kernels and headers (source) and
tested with various levels of security to confirm that.

The Mailman install-time gid and cgi ownership settings have no affect
omn the outcome.


Also, this is NOT the "restricted hardlinks" problem (see Mailman
README.LINUX) using secure kernel).

The problem only seems to occur when a user chooses an "expert" or some
other non minimalist option (including an elevated security option) at
time of installing Mandrake.

If you run into the problem described below (python hangs indefinitley)
then the solution may be to run:

   /usr/share/msec/custom.sh

and turn off (just say "no") the "libsafe stack ovberflow protection"
option.

Turning the option on/off is sufficient to reproduce/solve the problem
in our case.

Does anyone know a link for bug report to Mandrake on this (I couldn't
find an obvious link at http://linuxmandrake.com/ )?

Happy New Year and thanks to Mailman team for some great code,

R.


> Roger Buck wrote:
> > Mailman 2.0 installation hangs during conftest (using Mailman tarball
> > v2.0 and from mailman-2.0-1mdk.rpm binaries/source). The rpm will
> > install but will hang when run. The src.rpm hangs on the conftest - same
> > problem as install from source.
> >
> > Running the command:
> >
> > # python
> >
> > reports python 1.5.2 (#1 Sept 30 2000 GCC 2.95.3 on linux 386)
> >
> > I have tried re-intsalling python-1.5.2-12mdk.i586.rpm and associated
> > packages but with no luck.
> >
> > Any hints gratefully accepted.
> >
> > Does anyone have Mailman installed and working on Mandrake 7.2?



From larsbj at lyx.org  Sun Dec 31 02:50:45 2000
From: larsbj at lyx.org (Lars Gullik Bjønnes)
Date: 31 Dec 2000 02:50:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination
In-Reply-To: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEKELCCPAA.dmunoz@meyersgroup.com>
References: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEKELCCPAA.dmunoz@meyersgroup.com>
Message-ID: <m3ofxtfjey.fsf@aussie.lyx.org>

"Douglas Munoz" <dmunoz at meyersgroup.com> writes:

| I am running a very small, un-moderated list for the internal staff of my
| company. It is basically set up to allow non-members (job seekers) to post
| messages (resumes) to list members (HR).
| 
| Every couple of days I will get notification that a message requires
| administrative review. The reason given is:
| 
| Reason:  Message has implicit destination
| 
| I can't seem to figure out what is going on. I have looked through the
| message excerpt on each to find a common thread, but no luck.

When I saw this it was because of an To: header like this:

To: Friends <addr1; addr2; addr3; addr4; ... >

Where one of the addr's was the mailinglis address.

Hmm...perhaps there should be a "Don't warn on implicit addresses"
switch?

        Lgb




From khj at cs.appstate.edu  Sun Dec 31 14:48:17 2000
From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker)
Date: 31 Dec 2000 08:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: config_list
In-Reply-To: Marc MERLIN's message of "Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:09:43 +0100"
References: <esnnbngki.fsf@be.cs.appstate.edu> <20001228170943.E9902@gandalf.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <evgs0ya5a.fsf_-_@be.cs.appstate.edu>

  marc> On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 02:11:25PM -0500, Kenneth Jacker
  marc> wrote:
  >> I'd like to use "config_list" to transfer list ALPHA's
  >> configuration to a new list BETA.  Is this the recommended
  >> procedure?
  >> 
  >> 
  >> 1) bin/config_list -o config.ALPHA ALPHA
  >> 
  >> 2) cp config.ALPHA config.BETA
  >> 
  >> 3) Use an editor to change all occurrences of "ALPHA" in
  >> "config.BETA" to "BETA"
  >> 
  >> 4) bin/newlist BETA
  >> 
  >> 5) bin/config_list -i config.BETA BETA

  marc> You will lose your list membership if you do that.

Hmmm ... you mean that the members in ALPHA will not be automatically
added to BETA?  If that is the problem, I'll be OK since the BETA list
membership is independent of ALPHA's.

Any other advice/suggestions?

Thanks for your reply,

  -Kenneth



From nhruby at arches.uga.edu  Sun Dec 31 16:35:38 2000
From: nhruby at arches.uga.edu (nathan r. hruby)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:35:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 7.2 install problem
In-Reply-To: <3A4F119E.BC1DB62F@saas.nsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10012311033440.61938-100000@archa15.cc.uga.edu>

On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Roger Buck wrote:

[snip]

> Does anyone know a link for bug report to Mandrake on this (I couldn't
> find an obvious link at http://linuxmandrake.com/ )?
> 

Try asking at http://www.mandrakeforum.com/ 
They might have some light to shed / share.

[snip]

-n
-- 
........
nathan hruby
Webmaster: UGA Department of Drama and Theatre
Project Maintainer: phpSlash, Carousel
nhruby at arches.uga.edu
........




From tom.moore at landslidedesign.com  Sun Dec 31 18:22:22 2000
From: tom.moore at landslidedesign.com (Tom Moore)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:22:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install trouble on Mac OS X PB...
In-Reply-To: <20001126170135.06A2C1CE47@dinsdale.python.org>
References: <20001126170135.06A2C1CE47@dinsdale.python.org>
Message-ID: <p05001904b6751a15ae2a@[216.181.129.226]>

Well, after finally wrestling my OS X Server system into running the 
very useful Mailman program, I've dumped it in favor of the Mac OS X 
Public Beta, and the fun is starting all over.

I'm running into an odd error, one that most likely has a very simple 
fix. I get the following:

--------------------

[rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root# ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.0
checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes
checking for true... (cached) /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... (cached) cc
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) works... yes
checking whether the C compiler (cc  ) is a cross-compiler... no
checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes
checking whether cc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes
checking for --with-var-prefix... no
checking for --with-username... mailman
checking for mailman UID... ./configure: permission denied: conftest.py [1152]
/usr/local/bin/python: can't open file 'conftest.py'
cat: conftest.out: No such file or directory

configure: error:
***** No "mailman" user found!
***** Your system must have a "mailman" user defined
***** (usually in your /etc/passwd file).  Please see the INSTALL
***** file for details.
[rock:OpenUp/mailman_0/mailman-2.0] root#

--------------------

I do indeed have a "mailman" user... I'm guessing that it's a file 
permission thing rather than a username problem, but God knows I'm no 
expert. When I take out that section from the configure file, it 
skips down to the next section, has apparent trouble opening 
conftest.py, and tells me that I don't, for example, have a group 
named "mailman,' which I do. Oddly, when I try to install 
with-username=root, it actually works. Any other user name fails.

Many thanks for your help.

Tom Moore

-- 

Tom Moore
President, Landslide Design
tom.moore at landslidedesign.com
11 Forest Ave., Rockville, MD 20850
phone: 301.762.0627 fax: 301.762.5156



From gjd at telesoft.ca  Sun Dec 31 19:11:48 2000
From: gjd at telesoft.ca (Gary de Montigny)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:11:48 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mandrake 7.2 install problem
In-Reply-To: <3A4AA7B3.98A7F418@saas.nsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <62c819980cf51e80965dc0df61cb93d7.gjd@telesoft.ca>

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Hmmm, I had no idea msec is causing problems with python.  I guess I should
have mentioned that I am not running msec in my original message. My
apologies.  Thanks

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From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Sun Dec 31 22:27:08 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:27:08 -0800
Subject: Admin chunksize (was: [Mailman-Users] Re: Buglet or Bozo?)
References: <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers>
	 <001901c07135$2108bcc0$0401a8c0@ibmpeers> <5.0.2.1.0.20001229091338.03999b78@taco.com>
Message-ID: <3A4FA4AC.BE149EAA@west.sun.com>


Phydeaux wrote:
> 
> At 03:15 PM 12/29/2000 +1100, Bek Oberin wrote:
> >Scott Brown wrote:
> > > When the list admin (or I, with the site password) go into this page, and
> > > try to select a different chunk of users to display on the page, the chunk
> > > never changes, it's always the first 30 addresses that are shown.
> >
> >I've had this problem off and on.  Clearing out the cookies and
> >the cache and going back again the next morning has helped, but I
> >don't actually know how to fix it or anything.
> >
> >At least it's not just you :-/.
> 
> I've not had this problem, but I tried to change the chunk size via the
> mm_cfg.py file. I set this:
> 
> DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100
> 
> with no effect. I still get chunks of 30. 

DEFAULT is assigned at list-creation time.  Thereafter, it's part of the list
object.  It's an attribute called acmin_member_chunksize; you can set it with
withlist -l (see bin/withlist for instructions).  Something like:

cd ~mailman
python -i bin/withlist -l <listname>
m.admin_member_chunksize = 100
m.Save()
m.Unlock()
^D

would do it.  (The last two aren't really strictly necessary, but I'm paranoid.)


> I could change it in Defaults.py but
> I'd rather not have my changes wiped out if/when I upgrade. Besides,
> all the other things I changed worked fine. Does anyone have a clue?
> 
> reb
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Sun Dec 31 22:29:16 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:29:16 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit Destination
References: <NEBBILDLMKELNOGMJOLEKELCCPAA.dmunoz@meyersgroup.com>
Message-ID: <3A4FA52C.DD446AF4@west.sun.com>


Douglas Munoz wrote:
> 
> I am running a very small, un-moderated list for the internal staff of my
> company. It is basically set up to allow non-members (job seekers) to post
> messages (resumes) to list members (HR).
> 
> Every couple of days I will get notification that a message requires
> administrative review. The reason given is:
> 
> Reason:  Message has implicit destination

This means the message has an implicit destination.  "Implicit" means "not obviously 
set to go to the list", so there's some way it's getting to the list without mentioning
the list in To: or Cc:, usually Bcc:.

You can change the list config to make it accept such messages (see the admin html
pages), or you can tell your users to stop Bcc'ing the list.



From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com  Sun Dec 31 22:31:37 2000
From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:31:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] changing addy
References: <OE48MKDepexkeJesfx900001aa7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A4FA5B9.CCA9A052@west.sun.com>


> Meff Blake wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks:
> Happy New Year.
> 
> Hey, I've been trying to get my addy changed through the list, but it hasn't happened.  I finally got the
> Christianlists page, but I still can't get it to change the mailbox.  I don't want to unsub/resub,

Why not?  It's the way to do it, and it's about 1/10th the work of asking this question,
and I don't think it loses you anything.

> nor do I need to
> change passwords.  Can you help me?
> 
> Thanks
> Meff Blake
> 
> I want to change from c_blake at email.msn.com to meffblake at hotmail.com   Again, Thanks