From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 1 01:05:32 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner,aaryn@ag.arizona.edu,lab Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000731152526.00b23ec8@ag.arizona.edu> Dear mailman-users, I am upgrading from mailman-1.1 to 2.0beta4 and am having a very difficult and confusing time getting mailman to behave properly. I issued the following commands to install mailman from the source directory: ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody --prefix=/home/guest/mailman sendmail stop make install sendmail start I successfully created a list (abc_test) and subscribed myself. I received a message indicating the fact (See Item 1 below), but was unable to receive messages sent to the list. Item 1: From my inbox: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:49:45 -0700 (MST) From: abc_test-request at Ag.Arizona.Edu To: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: Welcome to the "Abc_test" mailing list Welcome to the Abc_test at Ag.Arizona.Edu mailing list! When I send a message to the list, nothing happens. No errors are produced in any logs that I know of, no bounces are sent to myself as list subscriber nor as mailman-owner (See Item 2). Item 2: Directory of mailman logs (note no errors, and no activity since the successful list subscription) -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 0 Jul 31 14:50 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 150 Jul 31 14:49 smtp -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 64 Jul 31 14:49 subscribe A message is logged to syslog that indicates the mail was sent (See Item 3). Item 3: From sylog: Jul 31 15:26:59 ag sendmail[28557]: [ID 801593 mail.info] PAA28554: to="|/home/guest/mailman/mail/wrapper post abc_test", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent But it just disappears. No messages pertaining to mailman are held in the mail queue (We use sendmail 8.9.3). When I run mail/wrapper post from the command line, I get the error "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 259, GOT gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?)." When I run bin/check_perms, I get the message, "No problems found." This is what the permissions are on my mail and scripts directory: ag: /home/guest/mailman/ > ls -al mail total 76 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 31 15:25 ./ drwxrwsr-x 17 mailman mailman 512 Jul 31 14:49 ../ -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 36780 Jul 31 15:25 wrapper* ag: /home/guest/mailman/ > ls -al scripts total 54 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 31 15:25 ./ drwxrwsr-x 17 mailman mailman 512 Jul 31 14:49 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1507 Jul 31 15:25 answer_majordomo_mail -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 9515 Jul 31 15:25 driver -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2351 Jul 31 15:25 mailcmd -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2502 Jul 31 15:25 mailowner -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1537 Jul 31 15:24 paths.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 285 Jul 31 15:26 paths.pyc -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 3302 Jul 31 15:25 post Okay, So I decide to reconfigure like it suggests: (Reconfigure to take 0?) So I go back to the mailman source and type the following commands: rm -rf /home/guest/mailman/* ./configure --with-mail-gid=0 --with-cgi-gid=nobody --prefix=/home/guest/mailman /etc/rc2.d/S88sendmail stop make install /etc/rc2.d/S88sendmail start echo hi | mail abc_test Now, at least, the bounce message comes to mailman-owner, but it says this: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 259. (Reconfigure to take 259?)554 "|/home/guest/mailman/mail/wrapper post abc_test"... unknown mailer error 2 What the *$%# is going on here? --sound of someone screaming, the telltale rain of a man pulling out his hair-- Sincerely yours, Aaryn Olsson University of Arizona College of Agriculture System Administrator From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Aug 1 01:39:02 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner,aaryn@ag.arizona.edu,lab Message-ID: <200007312338.QAA21019@utopia.west.sun.com> > When I send a message to the list, nothing happens. No errors are produced > in any logs that I know of, no bounces are sent to myself as list > subscriber nor as mailman-owner (See Item 2). Are you certain it's not in qfiles? Did you update crontab as INSTALL says to do? Is mailman's gid 259? > But it just disappears. No messages pertaining to mailman are held in the > mail queue (We use sendmail 8.9.3). When I run mail/wrapper post from the > command line, I get the error "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 259, GOT > gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?)." When I run bin/check_perms, I get the > message, "No problems found." This is what the permissions are on my mail > and scripts directory: > > > ag: /home/guest/mailman/ > ls -al mail > total 76 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 31 15:25 ./ > drwxrwsr-x 17 mailman mailman 512 Jul 31 14:49 ../ > -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 36780 Jul 31 15:25 wrapper* > > ag: /home/guest/mailman/ > ls -al scripts > total 54 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 31 15:25 ./ > drwxrwsr-x 17 mailman mailman 512 Jul 31 14:49 ../ > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1507 Jul 31 15:25 answer_majordomo_mail > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 9515 Jul 31 15:25 driver > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2351 Jul 31 15:25 mailcmd > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2502 Jul 31 15:25 mailowner > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1537 Jul 31 15:24 paths.py > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 285 Jul 31 15:26 paths.pyc > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 3302 Jul 31 15:25 post > > Okay, So I decide to reconfigure like it suggests: (Reconfigure to take 0?) > > So I go back to the mailman source and type the following commands: > > rm -rf /home/guest/mailman/* > ./configure --with-mail-gid=0 --with-cgi-gid=nobody > --prefix=/home/guest/mailman > /etc/rc2.d/S88sendmail stop > make install > /etc/rc2.d/S88sendmail start > echo hi | mail abc_test > > Now, at least, the bounce message comes to mailman-owner, but it says this: > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 259. (Reconfigure to take > 259?)554 "|/home/guest/mailman/mail/wrapper post abc_test"... unknown > mailer error 2 > > What the *$%# is going on here? > > --sound of someone screaming, the telltale rain of a man pulling out his hair-- > > Sincerely yours, > Aaryn Olsson > University of Arizona > College of Agriculture > System Administrator > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 1 02:23:19 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:23:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner,aaryn@ag.arizona.edu,lab In-Reply-To: <200007312338.QAA21019@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: > > When I send a message to the list, nothing happens. No errors are produced > > in any logs that I know of, no bounces are sent to myself as list > > subscriber nor as mailman-owner (See Item 2). > > Are you certain it's not in qfiles? They are in qfiles... > Did you update crontab as INSTALL says to do? No > > Is mailman's gid 259? Yes It looks like crontab did it. Thank you very, very much! The documentation wins again ;-) Sincerely, Aaryn Olsson From vrobi at objectwarehouse.com Tue Aug 1 04:07:36 2000 From: vrobi at objectwarehouse.com (Robert Vasvari) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:07:36 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman SMTP problem Message-ID: <200008010207.TAA00124@ddrummer.com> As I set up a new list MailMan tries to send out the first mail to the admin's mailaddress. Nothing goes out, I get this error in ~mailman/logs/error: Jul 30 14:20:02 2000 (1140) Delivery exception: list.extend() argument must be a list Jul 30 14:20:02 2000 (1140) Traceback (innermost last): File "/DATADISK/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/DATADISK/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line 95, in process failedrecips.extend(chunk) TypeError: list.extend() argument must be a list I switched to sendmail delivery and it works for now. Any thoughts? =[vrobi]= -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Robert Vasvari Object Warehouse Inc. 415-821-9287 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From bug at aphid.net Tue Aug 1 04:06:32 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:06:32 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-owner,aaryn@ag.arizona.edu,lab In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000731152526.00b23ec8@ag.arizona.edu>; from aaryn@Ag.Arizona.Edu on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 04:05:32PM -0700 References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000731152526.00b23ec8@ag.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <20000801120632.C3571@aphid.net> Hi Aaryn, I had the same problem when upgrading to 2.0b4. I forgot to insert the cron job as specified in INSTALL. Until then all posts failed silently. Chuck Wrote Aaryn Olsson on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 04:05:32PM -0700: > Dear mailman-users, > > I am upgrading from mailman-1.1 to 2.0beta4 and am having a very difficult > and confusing time getting mailman to behave properly. > > I issued the following commands to install mailman from the source directory: > ./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody > --prefix=/home/guest/mailman > sendmail stop > make install > sendmail start > > I successfully created a list (abc_test) and subscribed myself. I received > a message indicating the fact (See Item 1 below), but was unable to receive > messages sent to the list. > > Item 1: > From my inbox: > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:49:45 -0700 (MST) > From: abc_test-request at Ag.Arizona.Edu > To: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu > Subject: Welcome to the "Abc_test" mailing list > > Welcome to the Abc_test at Ag.Arizona.Edu mailing list! > > When I send a message to the list, nothing happens. No errors are produced > in any logs that I know of, no bounces are sent to myself as list > subscriber nor as mailman-owner (See Item 2). > > Item 2: > Directory of mailman logs (note no errors, and no activity since the > successful list subscription) > -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 0 Jul 31 14:50 error > -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 150 Jul 31 14:49 smtp > -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 64 Jul 31 14:49 subscribe > > > A message is logged to syslog that indicates the mail was sent (See Item 3). > > Item 3: > From sylog: > Jul 31 15:26:59 ag sendmail[28557]: [ID 801593 mail.info] > PAA28554: to="|/home/guest/mailman/mail/wrapper post abc_test", > delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent > > But it just disappears. No messages pertaining to mailman are held in the > mail queue (We use sendmail 8.9.3). When I run mail/wrapper post from the > command line, I get the error "Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 259, GOT > gid 0. (Reconfigure to take 0?)." When I run bin/check_perms, I get the > message, "No problems found." This is what the permissions are on my mail > and scripts directory: > > > ag: /home/guest/mailman/ > ls -al mail > total 76 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 31 15:25 ./ > drwxrwsr-x 17 mailman mailman 512 Jul 31 14:49 ../ > -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 36780 Jul 31 15:25 wrapper* > > ag: /home/guest/mailman/ > ls -al scripts > total 54 > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 31 15:25 ./ > drwxrwsr-x 17 mailman mailman 512 Jul 31 14:49 ../ > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1507 Jul 31 15:25 answer_majordomo_mail > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 9515 Jul 31 15:25 driver > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2351 Jul 31 15:25 mailcmd > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2502 Jul 31 15:25 mailowner > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 1537 Jul 31 15:24 paths.py > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 285 Jul 31 15:26 paths.pyc > -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 3302 Jul 31 15:25 post > > Okay, So I decide to reconfigure like it suggests: (Reconfigure to take 0?) > > So I go back to the mailman source and type the following commands: > > rm -rf /home/guest/mailman/* > ./configure --with-mail-gid=0 --with-cgi-gid=nobody > --prefix=/home/guest/mailman > /etc/rc2.d/S88sendmail stop > make install > /etc/rc2.d/S88sendmail start > echo hi | mail abc_test > > Now, at least, the bounce message comes to mailman-owner, but it says this: > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 259. (Reconfigure to take > 259?)554 "|/home/guest/mailman/mail/wrapper post abc_test"... unknown > mailer error 2 > > What the *$%# is going on here? > > --sound of someone screaming, the telltale rain of a man pulling out his hair-- > > Sincerely yours, > Aaryn Olsson > University of Arizona > College of Agriculture > System Administrator > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Aug 1 04:14:14 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman SMTP problem Message-ID: <200008010213.TAA25370@utopia.west.sun.com> > As I set up a new list MailMan tries to send out the first mail to > the admin's mailaddress. Nothing goes out, I get this error in > ~mailman/logs/error: > > Jul 30 14:20:02 2000 (1140) Delivery exception: list.extend() > argument must be a list > Jul 30 14:20:02 2000 (1140) Traceback (innermost last): > File "/DATADISK/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line > 82, in do_pipeline > func(mlist, msg, msgdata) > File "/DATADISK/home/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Sendmail.py", line > 95, in process > failedrecips.extend(chunk) > TypeError: list.extend() argument must be a list > > I switched to sendmail delivery and it works for now. > Any thoughts? Looks like a bug to me; I think that failedrecips line should be failedrecips.extend([chunk]) for Python 1.5.2 anyway. But it's probably a latent bug because Sendmail shouldn't be failing to get you into that code. It'd be worth fixing that line (as above) and switching back to Sendmail.py to see what's going wrong to cause sendmail failures. I'll file the bug. From dgc at uchicago.edu Tue Aug 1 12:04:34 2000 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 05:04:34 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List of subscriptions Message-ID: <20000801050434.H20937@smack.uchicago.edu> I've had users ask if there's any way to see a list of their subscriptions on my server. I know about the "Your other foo.mil subscriptions", but is there any access to that information (.../handle_opts/list/user) that does not require the user to know at least one list they're on? -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.de Tue Aug 1 13:16:38 2000 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:16:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug after update to 2.0beta4 Message-ID: <20000801131638.R16919@innominate.de> Prior to the update to 2.0beta4 (have been running 2.0beta2 or 1) everything has been running smoothly (except for the pending administrative requests -- thus I upgraded). I used identical options when configure'ing Beta 4 After the update, nothing (!) happens when I send mail to any of my three lists. From my maillog: Aug 1 12:43:50 stahlw06 postfix/local[10065]: 900E014554: to=, relay=local, delay=72, status=sent ("|/users2/mailman/mail/wrapper post litquiz") (so /users2/mailman/mail/wrapper exits with status 0) I did a bin/check_perms -- everything ok. I then deleted the locks/* and logs/*, still nothing. Mail is just swallowed, never to be seen again. -- Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.de Dipl.-Informatiker innominate AG System Engineer networking people tel: +49.30.308806-62 fax: -77 web: http://innominate.de pgp: /pgp/rh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I checked crontab.in, installed this as crontab for user mailman and now it works. > Hm... maybe the cron entries should be stressed a little more or something > added to the FAQ about what happens if you don't add them. Seems to be a > re-occuring issue of missing this part of the installation. Yes, definitely. BTW, has this changed between 2.0 Beta 1 and 4 ?? I don't think so. -- Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.de Dipl.-Informatiker innominate AG System Engineer networking people tel: +49.30.308806-62 fax: -77 web: http://innominate.de pgp: /pgp/rh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 361 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000801/27dab5dd/attachment.pgp From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Aug 1 14:27:39 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:27:39 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug after update to 2.0b4 II In-Reply-To: <20000801131741.S16919@innominate.de>; from Ralf.Hildebrandt@innominate.de on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:17:41PM +0200 References: <20000801131741.S16919@innominate.de> Message-ID: <20000801212739.A17989@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:17:41PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > PS: I found the mails all queued in /users2/mailman/qfiles > What now? You need to reload misc/crontab.in for the mailman user so that the qfiles are processed. (See the UPGRADING and INSTALL files.) -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From bug at aphid.net Tue Aug 1 15:12:04 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:12:04 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords Message-ID: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> For What It's Worth: I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I would like them removed but at least to make this optional. And definitely to make the "Send Password Reminders Every Month" option default to OFF. I say this after another month of receiving more than 10 separate password reminders. And mailman lists only account for about 1/3 of the lists I am on! All the other mailing list managers seem to do without it so why waste time with it. Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From andreas at conectiva.com.br Tue Aug 1 15:22:23 2000 From: andreas at conectiva.com.br (Andreas Hasenack) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:22:23 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] access via https, some links use http Message-ID: <20000801102223.F1163@conectiva.com.br> I'm using mailman 2.0beta4 and I like to use the administrative pages via https rather than via http. It works, no problem with that. But some links in the pages have http://... hardcoded in them, for example, the membership management one. If I want to see next page of subscribed users, using the link gets me back to non-SSL. To use them, now I just paste them in the URL location in the browser and change http to https. Is there anyway those links could use what I am using at that moment, http or https? Could they be relative instead of absolute? -- Andreas Hasenack andreas at conectiva.com.br BIG Linux user! From blurr at txraves.org Tue Aug 1 15:57:54 2000 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> Message-ID: <006601bffbc1$0a9eea70$362518d0@jordan> i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without using a password. ] jordan ] blurr at txraves.org ] http://www.txraves.org/ "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Dale" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords > For What It's Worth: > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. > > And definitely to make the "Send Password Reminders Every Month" > option default to OFF. > > I say this after another month of receiving more than 10 separate > password reminders. And mailman lists only account for about 1/3 of > the lists I am on! > > All the other mailing list managers seem to do without it so why > waste time with it. > > Chuck > > [ charles hamilton dale ] > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From tal at research.bell-labs.com Tue Aug 1 16:01:37 2000 From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:01:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> Message-ID: <3986D841.69C5D694@research.bell-labs.com> Chuck Dale wrote: > > For What It's Worth: > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. I think the fact that 2.x only has one password per user (rather than one per user per list) will improve things greatly. > And definitely to make the "Send Password Reminders Every Month" > option default to OFF. I think this is a bad move. I run a LOT of mailing lists and my members are all learning that if they want to get off the list they can wait 30 days rather than post a "how do I unsubscribe" message. I've given up on them remembering or saving the instructions, BTW. > I say this after another month of receiving more than 10 separate > password reminders. And mailman lists only account for about 1/3 of > the lists I am on! Again, I think the monthly reminder is a great idea. In fact, it helps me clean up all my subscriptions. It may be better if sites didn't do them all on the first of the month. Maybe everyone should set it to be on the day they were born (all my mailman listservers would send out their messages on the 2nd day of the month, since I was born on Dec 2nd). > All the other mailing list managers seem to do without it so why > waste time with it. Maybe they don't do it because mailman is better? A feature that I would like to see is the listserv "confirm" system. I would send all my bounces to /dev/null and rely on a yearly "confirm" (or lack of one) to clean my lists. Certainly with Python's excellent CGI capabilities the confirm message could simply say, "click on this URL to say on the mailing list". No biggie, right? --tal -- Tom Limoncelli -- tal at lucent.com -- tal at plts.org From wrd at awenet.com Tue Aug 1 16:21:00 2000 From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <006601bffbc1$0a9eea70$362518d0@jordan> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 blurr at txraves.org wrote: > i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without > using a password. > > > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. That kind of opens subscriptions up to mischief, doesn't it? Or do you propose going to an entirely confirmation-mail method of ensuring people aren't subscribed/unsubscribed without their consent? -Bill -- William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to make guesses in front of a district attorney, and an assistant district attorney, and a stenographer. -Sam Spade From jonah at votenader.org Tue Aug 1 16:32:20 2000 From: jonah at votenader.org (Jonah Baker) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:32:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Marshal Data Message-ID: A list of 40,000 has gotten corrupted and I can't seem to restore it from backup. The error I get from running check_db is "bad marshal data." Both config.db and config.db.last were corrupted. I tried replacing them with three backups but I continue to get the "bad marshal data" error. How do I recover the database? Rebuilding will be a major undertaking, and I will loose everyone's passwords, so I would rather massage out any errors by hand in the corrupted file. I was told that withlist will allow me to look into a corrupted database but I can't seem to make it work at the command line. What might have lead to the corruption is the rampant creation of .tmp. files. There were 65 of them when I last backed up. Any idea what might have been causing this? From gopher at aol.net Tue Aug 1 16:26:10 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <006601bffbc1$0a9eea70$362518d0@jordan> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 blurr at txraves.org wrote: >i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without >using a password. > I vote to make it optional for the admin to configure. I have a lot of lists that I need to keep restricted, but one or two I don't mind having open. Chris. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From dgc at uchicago.edu Tue Aug 1 16:48:54 2000 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:48:54 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <3986D841.69C5D694@research.bell-labs.com>; from tal@research.bell-labs.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:01:37AM -0400 References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> <3986D841.69C5D694@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20000801094854.F28414@smack.uchicago.edu> On 2000.08.01, in <3986D841.69C5D694 at research.bell-labs.com>, "Tom Limoncelli" wrote: > > Again, I think the monthly reminder is a great idea. In fact, it helps > me clean up all my subscriptions. It may be better if sites didn't do It might be a great idea, but I don't like it. (I'm not sniping; I think these statements can co-exist.) A number of users have written to complain about it, too, and I would have if I didn't run a mailman server, and know why it's happening: it's not possible to decide whether you, an an individual, want them. To the average subscriber's point of view, they're boolean and out of one's personal control. I think the *periodic* reminder is a great feature, but I think we need better control over whether it's mailed, and I think all the instances where Mailman refers to the "monthly reminder" need to be patched up. It's not inherently monthly. -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From mentor at alb-net.com Tue Aug 1 16:38:48 2000 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe that entering the password should be option. That is, if the user enters a password it should be used, otherwise, let mailman chose a password. later, Mentor On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, at 07:21, William R. Dickson wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 blurr at txraves.org wrote: > > > i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without > > using a password. > > > > > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > > > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. > > That kind of opens subscriptions up to mischief, doesn't it? Or do you > propose going to an entirely confirmation-mail method of ensuring people > aren't subscribed/unsubscribed without their consent? > > -Bill > > > -- > William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 > wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) > > My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but Mrs. Spade > didn't raise any children dippy enough to make guesses in front > of a district attorney, and an assistant district attorney, and a > stenographer. > -Sam Spade > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From kambiz at redhat.com Tue Aug 1 16:59:48 2000 From: kambiz at redhat.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] access via https, some links use http References: <20000801102223.F1163@conectiva.com.br> Message-ID: <3986E5E4.29156F14@redhat.com> We do this as well. You need to make sure that the default URL or the base URL are set to use the https:// instead. Edit ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py and make sure that the https:// is the default URL. Also, if you have pre-existing lists (when the list was accessed via non-ssl (http), you'll have to edit the base URL of the specific list. You may also have to edit mm_cfg.py (I changed both) Kambiz Andreas Hasenack wrote: > > I'm using mailman 2.0beta4 and I like to use the administrative pages > via https rather than via http. > It works, no problem with that. > But some links in the pages have http://... hardcoded in them, for > example, the membership management one. If I want to see next page > of subscribed users, using the link gets me back to non-SSL. To use > them, now I just paste them in the URL location in the browser and > change http to https. > Is there anyway those links could use what I am using at that > moment, http or https? Could they be relative instead of absolute? > > -- > Andreas Hasenack > andreas at conectiva.com.br > BIG Linux user! > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- \o__O o Kambiz Aghaiepour, RHCE - Phone: (919) 524-7423 o o \_ /|\ -= Red Hat, Inc. =- |\| Pager: (800) 946-4646 //\ //\ |\ |\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | Pager Pin #: 1412622 // // / / |/ mailto:kambiz at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com |\ || From blurr at txraves.org Tue Aug 1 16:47:13 2000 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:47:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords References: Message-ID: <00ed01bffbc7$65c55c80$362518d0@jordan> > That kind of opens subscriptions up to mischief, doesn't it? Or do you > propose going to an entirely confirmation-mail method of ensuring people > aren't subscribed/unsubscribed without their consent? yep, exactly what i was thinking. but make it an option, passwords are still a Good Thing. ] jordan ] blurr at txraves.org ] http://www.txraves.org/ "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose" ----- Original Message ----- From: "William R. Dickson" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 blurr at txraves.org wrote: > > > i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without > > using a password. From ncooler at nandomedia.com Tue Aug 1 17:15:09 2000 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:15:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender of Passwd Reminder is wrong References: Message-ID: <3986E97D.9360EA8@nandomedia.com> I awoke this morning to 100 or so bounce messages from mailman. I looked at the messages and they were all passwd reminders. What confuses me is that the sender address of the emails was not mailman-owner at lists.nandomedia.com, but was newtest at lists.nandomedia.com, a test list which I created. It also seems weird to me that all these addresses were bouncing since we normally recieve very few bounce reports from the lists as the users are usually removed from the lists as they bounce. Any ideas? --Neil From msheldon at desertraven.com Tue Aug 1 17:09:13 2000 From: msheldon at desertraven.com (Michael Sheldon) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:09:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <3986D841.69C5D694@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: >>I think the fact that 2.x only has one password per user (rather than one per user per list) will improve things greatly.<< Really??? I'd like to know how you did this. I'm on three lists on the same machine, all using the same address, and each has it's own separate password, and I got a separate notice this morning for each one. I'm currently running 2.0b4 Michael J. Sheldon http://www.desertraven.com/ PGP Key Available on Request From claw at kanga.nu Tue Aug 1 17:23:26 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:23:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: Message from Chuck Dale of "Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:12:04 +1000." <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> Message-ID: <13108.965143406@kanga.nu> On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:12:04 +1000 Chuck Dale wrote: > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. Configurable is Okay -- but they're too damned useful to remove. > And definitely to make the "Send Password Reminders Every > Month" option default to OFF. Choice. I prefer them on for the reasoning below. > I say this after another month of receiving more than 10 separate > password reminders. And mailman lists only account for about 1/3 > of the lists I am on! Password reminders are the most telling method to handle bounces from forwarded addresses without going for VERP. Handle the uncaught bounces from your password reminders every N months of so and you can maintain a pretty clean list without paying VERP's expense. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Tue Aug 1 17:24:58 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:24:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] access via https, some links use http In-Reply-To: Message from Andreas Hasenack of "Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:22:23 -0300." <20000801102223.F1163@conectiva.com.br> References: <20000801102223.F1163@conectiva.com.br> Message-ID: <13211.965143498@kanga.nu> On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:22:23 -0300 Andreas Hasenack wrote: > I'm using mailman 2.0beta4 and I like to use the administrative > pages via https rather than via http. It works, no problem with > that. But some links in the pages have http://... hardcoded in > them... While a hack, have you tried just having the HTTP side use a rewrite/redirect rule to bounce uncrypted requests back to the HTTPS side? -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From kambiz at redhat.com Tue Aug 1 17:29:42 2000 From: kambiz at redhat.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:29:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge problem (in my opinion) with large lists... Message-ID: <3986ECE6.834F2ADD@redhat.com> We are running Mailman2.0beta4 and I'm noticing the following significant issue. As messages come in, they're dumped into a qfiles/ directory where they're processed sequencially by qrunner. One of our lists has over 100,000 subscribers. Unfortunately, when a message is sent to this huge list, all other mail messages (for any of the other lists on the server) are basically "on hold" until this huge list receives their message. I'm sitting here watching the queue size grow. qrunner seems to be running though (an strace shows that it's zipping through the list of recipients). Is there anything that can be done to give each queue (or list) its own thread, so that the system does not come to a grinding halt when a huge distribution is processed? Kambiz -- \o__O o Kambiz Aghaiepour, RHCE - Phone: (919) 524-7423 o o \_ /|\ -= Red Hat, Inc. =- |\| Pager: (800) 946-4646 //\ //\ |\ |\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | Pager Pin #: 1412622 // // / / |/ mailto:kambiz at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com |\ || From Lutz.Jaenicke at aet.TU-Cottbus.DE Tue Aug 1 17:20:22 2000 From: Lutz.Jaenicke at aet.TU-Cottbus.DE (Lutz Jaenicke) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:20:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] access via https, some links use http In-Reply-To: <3986E5E4.29156F14@redhat.com>; from kambiz@redhat.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:59:48AM -0400 References: <20000801102223.F1163@conectiva.com.br> <3986E5E4.29156F14@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20000801172022.A28784@ws01.aet.tu-cottbus.de> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:59:48AM -0400, Kambiz Aghaiepour wrote: > We do this as well. You need to make sure that the default URL or the base > URL are set to use the https:// instead. Edit ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py > and make sure that the https:// is the default URL. Also, if you have > pre-existing lists (when the list was accessed via non-ssl (http), you'll have > to edit the base URL of the specific list. > > You may also have to edit mm_cfg.py (I changed both) Hmm, I looked into that, but I didn't find a way to distinguish between the list (for which plain http would be sufficient) and the administrative pages!? Best, Lutz -- Lutz Jaenicke Lutz.Jaenicke at aet.TU-Cottbus.DE BTU Cottbus http://www.aet.TU-Cottbus.DE/personen/jaenicke/ Lehrstuhl Allgemeine Elektrotechnik Tel. +49 355 69-4129 Universitaetsplatz 3-4, D-03044 Cottbus Fax. +49 355 69-4153 From ncooler at nandomedia.com Tue Aug 1 17:28:25 2000 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:28:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sender of Passwd Reminder is wrong References: <3986E97D.9360EA8@nandomedia.com> Message-ID: <3986EC99.6EBE4757@nandomedia.com> Oh yeah! Forgot to say that I'm using 2.0 Beta 2, and Sendmail 8.9.3 on Red Hat Linux 6.2. Duh! --Neil Neil Cooler wrote: > > I awoke this morning to 100 or so bounce messages from mailman. I > looked at the messages and they were all passwd reminders. > > What confuses me is that the sender address of the emails was not > mailman-owner at lists.nandomedia.com, but was > newtest at lists.nandomedia.com, a test list which I created. > > It also seems weird to me that all these addresses were bouncing since > we normally recieve very few bounce reports from the lists as the users > are usually removed from the lists as they bounce. > > Any ideas? > > --Neil From gopher at aol.net Tue Aug 1 17:42:32 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users names in Mailman Message-ID: One thing my boss commented on when I showed him Mailman, was that it doesn't allow you to record your list memebers full names like Listserv. (Thus, he's not 100% sold on Mailman ;) After I think about it, I would love to do be able to do that - any possibility of adding a comment/name field as part of the subscription forms? thx Chris. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From bmurrell at turbolinux.com Tue Aug 1 18:02:06 2000 From: bmurrell at turbolinux.com (Brian J. Murrell) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I hide "restricted" lists on the main mailman html page? Message-ID: <200008011602.JAA20373@bmurrell.dev.us.tlan> I have some lists that I would like to run on my mailman server which need to be "hidden" from general users. Meaning that when an "unknown somebody" goes to the http://.../mailman/listinfo/ page, I would like some of the lists not listed there. Having the list named on the page but requiring a password to follow the link is not workable because just the name of the list is too much of a leak of information. I envision a http://.../mailman/listinfo/ page that shows all of the "public" lists. I also envision on that page 2 boxes where a user puts in his e-mail account and password. Once the account and password are verified, the "list of lists" is updated so that any of the "hidden" lists he is a member of now show up. Obviously and of course if a given list that was named "hidden-list" was hidden, the page at http://.../mailman/listinfo/hidden-list should be password protected using the above mechanism to prevent security-thru-obscurity issues. "How does a user know that a list exists to subscribe to if he has to be a subscriber to see it" you might ask? The list would be by invitation only. Or even better, perhaps as an option the ability to see the "hidden" list on the main mailman page could be allowed or denied based on pattern matching of the user's *authenticiated* (with his password) e-mail address. So a rule could be attached to the list that says something like "*@some.domain.com and *@*.other.domain.com are permitted to see this list in the list of lists". Thots? b. From roedelm at letu.edu Tue Aug 1 18:26:28 2000 From: roedelm at letu.edu (Mark Roedel) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:26:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I hide "restricted" lists on the main mailman html page? In-Reply-To: <200008011602.JAA20373@bmurrell.dev.us.tlan> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Brian J. Murrell > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:02 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I hide "restricted" lists on the main > mailman html page? > > > I have some lists that I would like to run on my mailman server which > need to be "hidden" from general users. Meaning that when an "unknown > somebody" goes to the http://.../mailman/listinfo/ page, I would like > some of the lists not listed there. Having the list named on the page > but requiring a password to follow the link is not workable because just > the name of the list is too much of a leak of information. Something like the "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" setting, then? (First item under "Privacy Options" in the admin screens.) --- Mark Roedel | "Blessed is he who has learned to laugh Systems Programmer | at himself, for he shall never cease LeTourneau University | to be entertained." Longview, Texas, USA | -- John Powell From bmurrell at turbolinux.com Tue Aug 1 18:42:38 2000 From: bmurrell at turbolinux.com (Brian J. Murrell) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I hide "restricted" lists on the main mailman html page? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200008011642.JAA20421@bmurrell.dev.us.tlan> "Mark Roedel" wrote: > > Something like the "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are > on > this machine?" setting, then? (First item under "Privacy Options" in > the > admin screens.) Kinda. Not really though. That option is really nothing more than security thru obscurity. If I can guess that "hidden-list" exists, I can simply enter a URL to get to it's "page". It also doesn't show the list in the main page if I am a subscriber. Thanks for the consideration though. b. From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 1 18:51:05 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:51:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Ag.Arizona.Edu mailing list memberships reminder (fwd) Message-ID: Dear mailman-users, Is this possible for this list subscriber? Thanks, Aaryn Olsson ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:10:13 -0700 (MST) From: Kelly LeFevre To: mailman-owner at Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: Re: Ag.Arizona.Edu mailing list memberships reminder Can I turn off this monthly reminder? Can I do so for the entire membership of a list? Thanks. Kelly LeFevre GSO list owner On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 mailman-owner at Ag.Arizona.Edu wrote: > This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your Ag.Arizona.Edu > mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how > to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. > > You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery > or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such > changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of > the list (for example, gso-request at Ag.Arizona.Edu) containing just the > word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to > you with instructions. > > If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to > mailman-owner at Ag.Arizona.Edu. Thanks! > > Passwords for krl at email.arizona.edu: > > List Password // URL > ---- -------- > listadmins at Ag.Arizona.Edu udiM > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/options/listadmins/krl at email.arizona.edu > > gso at Ag.Arizona.Edu ulRH > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/options/gso/krl at email.arizona.edu > From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 1 18:59:05 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:59:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent - digest out of control Message-ID: Dear mailman-users, There seems to be a digest out of control. The email I received earlier indicated over 100 messages, but the last message from an unhappy user indicated he had received over 800, so it looks like it's still going. What would cause users to receive endless copies of a message like this? TIA, Aaryn ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:53:17 -0700 From: Kathleen Peterson To: lab at Ag.Arizona.Edu Subject: Fwd: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #1044 - 14 msgs >Return-Path: >Received: from post1.inre.asu.edu (post1.inre.asu.edu [129.219.13.100]) > by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10708 > for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:28:34 -0700 (MST) >Received: from conversion.post1.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33824) > id <0FYM00K01DNIMD at asu.edu> for kpetersn at Ag.Arizona.Edu > (ORCPT rfc822;kathyp at asu.edu); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:28:31 -0700 (MST) >Received: from smtp.asu.edu (smtp.asu.edu [129.219.13.92]) > by asu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33824) with ESMTP id <0FYM00B9NDNGVU at asu.edu> for > kpetersn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (ORCPT rfc822;kathyp at asu.edu); Tue, > 01 Aug 2000 08:28:30 -0700 (MST) >Received: from imap4.asu.edu (imap4.asu.edu [129.219.10.161]) > by smtp.asu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24219 for > ; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:28:32 -0700 (MST) >Received: from post3.inre.asu.edu (post3.inre.asu.edu [129.219.13.74]) > by imap4.asu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA25831 for > ; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:28:21 -0700 (MST) >Received: from conversion.post3.inre.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33824) > id <0FYM00K01DPGZC at asu.edu> for kathyp at IMAP4.ASU.EDU > (ORCPT rfc822;kathyp at asu.edu); Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:29:40 -0700 (MST) >Received: from Ag.Arizona.Edu (AG.Arizona.EDU [128.196.42.70]) > by asu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33824) with ESMTP id <0FYM00MIZDPFUK at asu.edu> for > kathyp at IMAP4.ASU.EDU (ORCPT rfc822;kathyp at asu.edu); Tue, > 01 Aug 2000 08:29:40 -0700 (MST) >Received: from Ag.Arizona.Edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by Ag.Arizona.Edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10642; Tue, > 01 Aug 2000 08:28:23 -0700 (MST) >Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:28:23 -0700 (MST) >From: arid_gardener-request at Ag.Arizona.Edu >Subject: Arid_gardener digest, Vol 1 #1044 - 14 msgs >Sender: arid_gardener-admin at Ag.Arizona.Edu >To: arid_gardener at Ag.Arizona.Edu >Errors-to: arid_gardener-admin at Ag.Arizona.Edu >Reply-to: arid_gardener at Ag.Arizona.Edu >Message-id: <200008011528.IAA10642 at Ag.Arizona.Edu> >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0beta4 >Content-type: text/plain >Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT >Precedence: bulk >X-BeenThere: arid_gardener at Ag.Arizona.Edu >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta4 >List-Id: Gardening and Landscaping in Dry Climates > >X-UIDL: dd1d8704dcdf885578d8bfa0dfbb7020 > >arid_gardenerSend Arid_gardener mailing list submissions to > arid_gardener at Ag.Arizona.Edu > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/listinfo/arid_gardener >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > arid_gardener-request at Ag.Arizona.Edu > >You can reach the person managing the list at > arid_gardener-admin at Ag.Arizona.Edu > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Arid_gardener digest..." > > >arid_gardener digest > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: re pantry pests (Sue Bass) > 2. Salt in Soil - Brown Leaves - Soil Amendments for Arizona - Rain > Water (Ursula Miller) > 3. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (fscapellit at mindspring.com) > 4. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (bonnford at amug.org) > 5. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (archsoul at home.com) > 6. Fwd: (Marikelly Block) > 7. YUCCA (Sue Hakala) > 8. RE: Question from Home-Hort WWW page (Ursula Miller) > 9. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (kffrmw88 at mindspring.com) > 10. Re: Flood of maillist posts (Sue Bass) > 11. Problems! (Sue Bass) > 12. Re: repeat, repeat, repeat (Sue Bass) > 13. Fw: [AG] Grape Vines Available (Olin Miller) > 14. Question from Home-Hort WWW page (icbcd at mainex1.asu.edu) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:52:40 -0700 >From: Sue Bass >To: Mapgoddess at aol.com [SNIP!!!] From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 1 19:30:11 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:30:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problem Message-ID: Dear mailman-users, I apologize for not giving more information in my last, panicked message. The problem seems to be that there is a reference to the old mailman-1.1 somewhere within the mailman-2.0 framework. There are no references to mailman-1.1 anywhere in the aliases files, nor in the passwd file. In my last message I asked why would members of a list be receiving endless digest messages. In the logs/error file, there are over 20,000 messages (each 20 lines each) indicating that mailman archives is looking in the old mailman-1.1 directory. The first one I found looks like this: Jul 31 17:20:00 2000 (3205) Archive file access failure: /usr/local/mail/mailman-1.1/archives/private/theclub.mbox/theclub.mbox [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/loc al/mail/mailman-1.1/archives/private/theclub.mbox/theclub.mbox' Jul 31 17:20:00 2000 (3205) Delivery exception: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mail/mailman-1.1/archives/private/theclub.mbox/theclub.mbox' Jul 31 17:20:00 2000 (3205) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mail/mailman-2.0beta4/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman-2.0beta4/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py", line 31, in process mlist.ArchiveMail(msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman-2.0beta4/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 197, in ArchiveMail self.__archive_to_mbox(msg) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman-2.0beta4/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 163, in __archive_to_mbox mbox = self.__archive_file(afn) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman-2.0beta4/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 149, in __archive_file return Mailbox.Mailbox(open_ex(afn, "a+")) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman-2.0beta4/Mailman/Utils.py", line 567, in open_ex fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/mail/mailman-1.1/archives/private/theclub.mbox/theclub.mbox' The only reference I could find to mailman-1.1 was in the file archives/private/arid_gardener/pipermail.pck: S'/usr/local/mail/mailman-1.1/archives/private/arid_gardener' Why would this be so? Once again, thanks in advance for you help. Sincerely, Aaryn Olsson From morris at unc.edu Tue Aug 1 19:57:10 2000 From: morris at unc.edu (Joe Morris) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender of Passwd Reminder is wrong In-Reply-To: <3986E97D.9360EA8@nandomedia.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Neil Cooler wrote: | I awoke this morning to 100 or so bounce messages from mailman. I | looked at the messages and they were all passwd reminders. Yep, this caught me a little off guard too. Seems Mailman will send the password reminder out even if the user was disabled earlier (nomail). | What confuses me is that the sender address of the emails was not | mailman-owner at lists.nandomedia.com, but was | newtest at lists.nandomedia.com, a test list which I created. It's not just me, eh? I also noticed the "List-ID:" header also showed the description of one of my test lists too--freaky. That was a bit confusing on those bouces, but looks like everything else was OK. I'm running Mailman v1.1 on RHLinux 6.2, sendmail 8.10.1. _______________________________________________________ Joe Morris http://metalab.unc.edu/morris Web Systems Manager, ATN http://help.unc.edu UNC-Chapel Hill http://www.unc.edu From dereks at kd-dev.com Tue Aug 1 19:59:43 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -> > i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without -> > using a password. -> > > -> > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I -> > > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. -> -> That kind of opens subscriptions up to mischief, doesn't it? If it becomes a problem for my list, I'll turn on passwords. But until it's an issue, I don't want to bug people with it. Bottom line, most people don't even know what a "password" is (in computing terms), and it confuses the hell out of them. -> Or do you propose going to an entirely confirmation-mail method of -> ensuring people aren't subscribed/unsubscribed without their -> consent? Nope. If people suddenly start getting subscribed/unsubbed without their consent, I'll turn on the passwords. But on all of my Majordomo lists, that has simply not been a problem. In short: it's a policy decision, not a technical one, and MailMan currently has the limitation of not letting me set the policy I desire. --Derek From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue Aug 1 20:26:59 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beta5 or final? Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0542@EMAIL> Barry posted something about hoping to have a final beta or even a "stable" release out by a week after the O'Reilly conference. Anybody heard anything with regards to this? Greg P.S. Sorry to nag, but I'm putting a server in at work "real soon now", and I'd love to be able to run "stable" code, just so that it doesn't say "beta". :-) From gopher at aol.net Tue Aug 1 21:58:21 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman = spam magnet? Message-ID: One thing I've noticed since I've installed Mailman, is I'm getting spam on my mailing lists. Before I moved to Mailman, I never even had spam attempt to hit these lists, as they are mostly for internal AOL use - they very rarely, if at all, touch the Internet. However, since I've set up Mailman lists (with 'do not advertise this list' turned on for all lists) I've gotten spam like you wouldn't believe. So the question is, when I set up a new Mailman list, is it advertising this list other than just the 'listinfo' URL? I find this really odd because I've set up a test list that never even was used, and it's taking spam now. Something's up with this. Anybody else seen anything like this? thx Chris. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 1 22:38:04 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:38:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug after update to 2.0b4 II References: <20000801131741.S16919@innominate.de> <20000801212739.A17989@mail.dskk.co.jp> Message-ID: <3987352C.D1CBCAE2@west.sun.com> Jim Tittsler wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:17:41PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > > PS: I found the mails all queued in /users2/mailman/qfiles > > What now? > > You need to reload misc/crontab.in for the mailman user so that > the qfiles are processed. (See the UPGRADING and INSTALL files.) Yes, it's really hard to see how Barry could stress this more: UPGRADING FROM 2.0 beta to 2.0 final The cron jobs for Mailman 2.0 final have changed considerably, including the frequency with which they run. You should reload misc/crontab.in for the `mailman' user to get the right settings. See the INSTALL file for details. FAILURE TO DO THIS WILL RESULT IN A LESS THAN OPTIMALLY FUNCTIONAL MAILMAN INSTALLATION. From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 1 22:39:35 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:39:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> Message-ID: <39873587.11B7213@west.sun.com> Chuck Dale wrote: > > For What It's Worth: > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. > > And definitely to make the "Send Password Reminders Every Month" > option default to OFF. > > I say this after another month of receiving more than 10 separate > password reminders. And mailman lists only account for about 1/3 of > the lists I am on! > > All the other mailing list managers seem to do without it so why > waste time with it. If you're going to require passwords (as Mailman does), it seems critical to me that the reminder remain "on", as "I lost my password because I can't follow welcome message instructions" is *the* number 1 complaint of my list users. If, and only if, there's ever a way to run a list without passwords, then obviously the reminder should be turned off, since it's then meaningless. From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 1 22:42:29 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:42:29 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords References: Message-ID: <39873635.FA642D7C@west.sun.com> Mentor Cana wrote: > > I believe that entering the password should be option. That is, if the user > enters a password it should be used, otherwise, let mailman chose a > password. I'm confused; how is that different from what MM does today? From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 1 22:48:09 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:48:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Ag.Arizona.Edu mailing list memberships reminder (fwd) References: Message-ID: <39873789.D98B03A@west.sun.com> Per-subscriber? No. Per-list? Yes. Big as life on the General Options page. Aaryn Olsson wrote: > > Dear mailman-users, > > Is this possible for this list subscriber? > > Thanks, > Aaryn Olsson > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:10:13 -0700 (MST) > From: Kelly LeFevre > To: mailman-owner at Ag.Arizona.Edu > Subject: Re: Ag.Arizona.Edu mailing list memberships reminder > > Can I turn off this monthly reminder? Can I do so for the entire > membership of a list? > > Thanks. > Kelly LeFevre > GSO list owner > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 mailman-owner at Ag.Arizona.Edu wrote: > > > This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your Ag.Arizona.Edu > > mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how > > to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. > > > > You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or > > configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery > > or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. > > > > In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such > > changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of > > the list (for example, gso-request at Ag.Arizona.Edu) containing just the > > word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to > > you with instructions. > > > > If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to > > mailman-owner at Ag.Arizona.Edu. Thanks! > > > > Passwords for krl at email.arizona.edu: > > > > List Password // URL > > ---- -------- > > listadmins at Ag.Arizona.Edu udiM > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/options/listadmins/krl at email.arizona.edu > > > > gso at Ag.Arizona.Edu ulRH > > http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/options/gso/krl at email.arizona.edu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 1 22:45:11 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:45:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender of Passwd Reminder is wrong References: <3986E97D.9360EA8@nandomedia.com> Message-ID: <398736D7.3434556E@west.sun.com> Neil Cooler wrote: > > I awoke this morning to 100 or so bounce messages from mailman. I > looked at the messages and they were all passwd reminders. > > What confuses me is that the sender address of the emails was not > mailman-owner at lists.nandomedia.com, but was > newtest at lists.nandomedia.com, a test list which I created. Yes, that has been discussed at great length on the aliases. Whatever list the user is first found on is the 'sender'. Or something like that. > It also seems weird to me that all these addresses were bouncing since > we normally recieve very few bounce reports from the lists as the users > are usually removed from the lists as they bounce. Reminder traffic is different from normal list traffic, and doesn't get the same bounce processing. You can see this as a good thing, since it allows you to manually cleanse your subscriber list (since each reminder, unlike list mail, is a unique message with a unique recipient, and therefore the bounce probably uniquely identifies the bouncer...it's a sort of "list probe for free"). From mentor at alb-net.com Tue Aug 1 23:23:10 2000 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <39873635.FA642D7C@west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, at 13:42, Dan Mick wrote: > Mentor Cana wrote: > > > > I believe that entering the password should be option. That is, if the user > > enters a password it should be used, otherwise, let mailman chose a > > password. > > I'm confused; how is that different from what MM does today? > Well, as it stands now, if a person wants to subscribe to a list, a password is required. That is, the person can't subscribe without entering the password (twice) in the required fields. later, Mentor From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Tue Aug 1 23:32:17 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:32:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: ; from mentor@alb-net.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:23:10PM -0400 References: <39873635.FA642D7C@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000801173217.A27892@raleigh.ibm.com> It's trivial to write a php (or perl) cgi that would allow a user to enter their email address, choose a list, and submit the info to subscribe without ever choosing a password. Lets say you have a list called easylist at mailman.org. Sending an email to easylist-request at mailman.org with the body of the message as subscribe address=newuser at nowhere.com should subscribe the new address and send them an email confirmation according to the list settings. Done this way mailman will generate a password for the new user. If they wish to unsubscribe or change options they will need that password. Hope this helps a bit. -- Scott On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:23:10PM -0400, Mentor Cana wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, at 13:42, Dan Mick wrote: > > Mentor Cana wrote: > > > > > > I believe that entering the password should be option. That is, if the user > > > enters a password it should be used, otherwise, let mailman chose a > > > password. > > > > I'm confused; how is that different from what MM does today? > > > > Well, as it stands now, if a person wants to subscribe to a list, a > password is required. That is, the person can't subscribe without entering > the password (twice) in the required fields. > > later, > Mentor > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com Tue Aug 1 23:37:50 2000 From: scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com (Scott Russell) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:37:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <20000801173217.A27892@raleigh.ibm.com>; from scottrus@raleigh.ibm.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:32:17PM -0400 References: <39873635.FA642D7C@west.sun.com> <20000801173217.A27892@raleigh.ibm.com> Message-ID: <20000801173750.A28217@raleigh.ibm.com> BTW, if someone wants such a script to be included in a contrib directory of mailman 2.x let me know and I'll clean up the one I have for my site and send it in. -- Scott On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:32:17PM -0400, Scott Russell wrote: > It's trivial to write a php (or perl) cgi that would allow a user to enter > their email address, choose a list, and submit the info to subscribe > without ever choosing a password. > > Lets say you have a list called easylist at mailman.org. Sending an email to > easylist-request at mailman.org with the body of the message as > > subscribe address=newuser at nowhere.com > > should subscribe the new address and send them an email confirmation > according to the list settings. Done this way mailman will generate a > password for the new user. If they wish to unsubscribe or change options > they will need that password. > > Hope this helps a bit. > > -- > Scott > > On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:23:10PM -0400, Mentor Cana wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, at 13:42, Dan Mick wrote: > > > Mentor Cana wrote: > > > > > > > > I believe that entering the password should be option. That is, if the user > > > > enters a password it should be used, otherwise, let mailman chose a > > > > password. > > > > > > I'm confused; how is that different from what MM does today? > > > > > > > Well, as it stands now, if a person wants to subscribe to a list, a > > password is required. That is, the person can't subscribe without entering > > the password (twice) in the required fields. > > > > later, > > Mentor > > > > -- Regards, Scott Russell (scottrus at raleigh.ibm.com) Linux Technology Center, System Admin Red Hat Certified Engineer From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 1 23:53:46 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 14:53:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords References: Message-ID: <398746EA.D23FE74E@west.sun.com> Mentor Cana wrote: > > Well, as it stands now, if a person wants to subscribe to a list, a > password is required. That is, the person can't subscribe without entering > the password (twice) in the required fields. Oh, you're talking about web-subscribe; yes, someone had a patch to allow "empty password" there to do the same thing that "empty password=" on mail subscribe does. I agree it should be the default. File a sourceforge bug. From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Aug 2 00:09:46 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:09:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] access via https, some links use http References: <20000801102223.F1163@conectiva.com.br> Message-ID: <39874AAA.3D0A26C0@west.sun.com> There's a reasonable chance that the most-recent putback to CVS might resolve some of this; if you're a CVS-leading-edger, try it out. (It was in response to other absolute vs. relative URL problems, but it's revamped a lot of URL calculation stuff.) Andreas Hasenack wrote: > > I'm using mailman 2.0beta4 and I like to use the administrative pages > via https rather than via http. > It works, no problem with that. > But some links in the pages have http://... hardcoded in them, for > example, the membership management one. If I want to see next page > of subscribed users, using the link gets me back to non-SSL. To use > them, now I just paste them in the URL location in the browser and > change http to https. > Is there anyway those links could use what I am using at that > moment, http or https? Could they be relative instead of absolute? > > -- > Andreas Hasenack > andreas at conectiva.com.br > BIG Linux user! > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From trevor at jpj.net Wed Aug 2 00:19:11 2000 From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advisory: mailman local compromise (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:14:20 -0400 From: Stan Bubrouski To: BUGTRAQ at SECURITYFOCUS.COM Subject: Advisory: mailman local compromise Author : Stan Bubrouski Date : August 1, 2000 Package : mailman Versions affected : 2.0beta3 (released: 2000-Jun-28 23:25) 2.0beta4 (released: 2000-Jul-06 21:27) Severity : access to group mailman binaries are installed as which (usually mailman). Most directories in a mailman install are mode 2755 as are most of the binaries and scripts. Many configurations are 664 allowing a local user to change list ocnfigurations and even read the adm.pw passwd file. Additionally besides being able to read public and private data along with passwds, a malicious user could replace binaries and scripts in a mailman installation because they are writable by group mailman. Problem : The mailman package comes with a sgid program named wrapper. This program contains a function named fatal() which is used to display error messages. Unfortunately it fails to send the correct amount of arguments to the fprintf(3) function allowing users to add formatting which could be used to insert and execute code under group mailman. fatal() is called when invalid arguments are provided and in such a case, the invalid arguments are sent to fprintf without being formatted, the same goes for argv[0]. Example: [user at king user]$ ls -al /usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 36290 Jul 1 06:48 /usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper [user at king user]$ cd /usr/share/mailman/mail [user at king mail]$ ls -al total 39 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 12 19:29 . drwxrwsr-x 16 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 27 20:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 36290 Jul 1 06:48 wrapper [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper Usage: ./wrapper program [args...] [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s Illegal command: Illegal command: %s[user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%s Illegal command: Illegal command: %s%s?????=@????X????>@[user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%s%s Segmentation fault [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%u%p Illegal command: Illegal command: %s%u%p32212244600x656c6c49[user at king mail]$ [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s Usage: Usage: %s program [args...] program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s Usage: Usage: %s%s program [args...] ?????=@????X????>@ program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%p Usage: Usage: %s%p program [args...] 0xbffffc0c program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%S%u Usage: Usage: %s%S%u program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s Usage: Usage: %s%s program [args...] ?????=@????X????>@ program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s%s Segmentation fault [user at king mail]$ Patch: diff -u -r ./cgi-wrapper.c.orig ./cgi-wrapper.c --- ./cgi-wrapper.c.orig Tue Mar 21 01:26:41 2000 +++ ./cgi-wrapper.c Fri Jul 28 00:17:42 2000 @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ fake_argv[2] = script; status = run_script("driver", 3, fake_argv, env); - fatal(logident, status, "%s", strerror(errno)); + fatal(logident, status, "%s\n", strerror(errno)); return status; } diff -u -r common.c.orig ./common.c --- ./common.c.orig Mon May 22 14:59:31 2000 +++ ./common.c Thu Jul 27 23:58:12 2000 @@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ printf("\n"); } else - fprintf(stderr, log_entry); + fprintf(stderr, "%s", log_entry); #endif /* HELPFUL */ exit(exitcode); } diff -u -r ./mail-wrapper.c.orig ./mail-wrapper.c --- ./mail-wrapper.c.orig Tue Mar 21 01:26:41 2000 +++ ./mail-wrapper.c Fri Jul 28 00:16:34 2000 @@ -67,13 +67,13 @@ if (!check_command(argv[1])) fatal(logident, MAIL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND, - "Illegal command: %s", argv[1]); + "Illegal command: %s\n", argv[1]); check_caller(logident, parentgid); /* If we got here, everything must be OK */ status = run_script(argv[1], argc, argv, env); - fatal(logident, status, "%s", strerror(errno)); + fatal(logident, status, "%s\n", strerror(errno)); return status; } Patch info : The patch fixes fatal() and also adds newlines to some fatal() calls because fatal() does not tack them on and as you can see in the example above, the lack of newlines in some calls make errors harder to read. I made the patch using the latest CVS tree but it should apply to beta3 and beta4 releases as well. From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Aug 2 04:44:37 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:44:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade problem In-Reply-To: ; from aaryn@Ag.Arizona.Edu on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:30:11AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000802114437.A20848@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:30:11AM -0700, Aaryn Olsson wrote: > I apologize for not giving more information in my last, panicked message. > The problem seems to be that there is a reference to the old mailman-1.1 > somewhere within the mailman-2.0 framework. There are no references to > mailman-1.1 anywhere in the aliases files, nor in the passwd file. Perhaps it is a function of how you updated? There are references to the archive directories within the config.db files. Did you copy the config.db from one "installation" to the other, rather than updating your original? (bin/move_list may be helpful if this was the case.) -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From jello at waste.org Wed Aug 2 04:47:27 2000 From: jello at waste.org (John Ello) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advisory: mailman local compromise (fwd) Message-ID: Can anyone vouch for the patch at the end? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:14:20 -0400 From: Stan Bubrouski To: BUGTRAQ at SECURITYFOCUS.COM Subject: Advisory: mailman local compromise Author : Stan Bubrouski Date : August 1, 2000 Package : mailman Versions affected : 2.0beta3 (released: 2000-Jun-28 23:25) 2.0beta4 (released: 2000-Jul-06 21:27) Severity : access to group mailman binaries are installed as which (usually mailman). Most directories in a mailman install are mode 2755 as are most of the binaries and scripts. Many configurations are 664 allowing a local user to change list ocnfigurations and even read the adm.pw passwd file. Additionally besides being able to read public and private data along with passwds, a malicious user could replace binaries and scripts in a mailman installation because they are writable by group mailman. Problem : The mailman package comes with a sgid program named wrapper. This program contains a function named fatal() which is used to display error messages. Unfortunately it fails to send the correct amount of arguments to the fprintf(3) function allowing users to add formatting which could be used to insert and execute code under group mailman. fatal() is called when invalid arguments are provided and in such a case, the invalid arguments are sent to fprintf without being formatted, the same goes for argv[0]. Example: [user at king user]$ ls -al /usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 36290 Jul 1 06:48 /usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper [user at king user]$ cd /usr/share/mailman/mail [user at king mail]$ ls -al total 39 drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 12 19:29 . drwxrwsr-x 16 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 27 20:13 .. -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 36290 Jul 1 06:48 wrapper [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper Usage: ./wrapper program [args...] [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s Illegal command: Illegal command: %s[user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%s Illegal command: Illegal command: %s%s?????=@????X????>@[user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%s%s Segmentation fault [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%u%p Illegal command: Illegal command: %s%u%p32212244600x656c6c49[user at king mail]$ [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s Usage: Usage: %s program [args...] program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s Usage: Usage: %s%s program [args...] ?????=@????X????>@ program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%p Usage: Usage: %s%p program [args...] 0xbffffc0c program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%S%u Usage: Usage: %s%S%u program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s Usage: Usage: %s%s program [args...] ?????=@????X????>@ program [args...] [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s%s Segmentation fault [user at king mail]$ Patch: diff -u -r ./cgi-wrapper.c.orig ./cgi-wrapper.c --- ./cgi-wrapper.c.orig Tue Mar 21 01:26:41 2000 +++ ./cgi-wrapper.c Fri Jul 28 00:17:42 2000 @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ fake_argv[2] = script; status = run_script("driver", 3, fake_argv, env); - fatal(logident, status, "%s", strerror(errno)); + fatal(logident, status, "%s\n", strerror(errno)); return status; } diff -u -r common.c.orig ./common.c --- ./common.c.orig Mon May 22 14:59:31 2000 +++ ./common.c Thu Jul 27 23:58:12 2000 @@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ printf("\n"); } else - fprintf(stderr, log_entry); + fprintf(stderr, "%s", log_entry); #endif /* HELPFUL */ exit(exitcode); } diff -u -r ./mail-wrapper.c.orig ./mail-wrapper.c --- ./mail-wrapper.c.orig Tue Mar 21 01:26:41 2000 +++ ./mail-wrapper.c Fri Jul 28 00:16:34 2000 @@ -67,13 +67,13 @@ if (!check_command(argv[1])) fatal(logident, MAIL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND, - "Illegal command: %s", argv[1]); + "Illegal command: %s\n", argv[1]); check_caller(logident, parentgid); /* If we got here, everything must be OK */ status = run_script(argv[1], argc, argv, env); - fatal(logident, status, "%s", strerror(errno)); + fatal(logident, status, "%s\n", strerror(errno)); return status; } Patch info : The patch fixes fatal() and also adds newlines to some fatal() calls because fatal() does not tack them on and as you can see in the example above, the lack of newlines in some calls make errors harder to read. I made the patch using the latest CVS tree but it should apply to beta3 and beta4 releases as well. From alister.air at uts.edu.au Wed Aug 2 05:03:31 2000 From: alister.air at uts.edu.au (alister air) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:03:31 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /usr/bin/env not found by check_perms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000802125333.016e3ea0@mailbox.uts.edu.au> Probably a simple question, but: I've installed Python, and Mailman, and it seemed to work up until I tried to run check_perms -f to test my install. I get the following: # ./check_perms -f /usr/bin/env: No such file or directory #ls -L /usr/bin/env /usr/bin/env I'm obviously doing something wrong, but can't find out what. I've checked the FAQ, read the READMEs but haven't foiund anything. All clues graciously received. Regards, Alister Air -- Alister Air Ph 9514 1277 IT Manager Fx 9514 1656 Faculty of Science, University of Technology Sydney "The time of your life is the one commodity that you can sell but never buy back." -- Bob Black From alister.air at uts.edu.au Wed Aug 2 05:16:19 2000 From: alister.air at uts.edu.au (alister air) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:16:19 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] /usr/bin/env not found by check_perms In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000802125333.016e3ea0@mailbox.uts.edu.au> References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000802131550.016dd950@mailbox.uts.edu.au> Thanks heaps - I've got it fixed. It was python that wasn't in the path. Alister At 01:03 PM 8/2/2000, alister air wrote: >Probably a simple question, but: > >I've installed Python, and Mailman, and it seemed to work up until I tried >to run check_perms -f to test my install. I get the following: > ># ./check_perms -f >/usr/bin/env: No such file or directory > >#ls -L /usr/bin/env >/usr/bin/env > >I'm obviously doing something wrong, but can't find out what. I've >checked the FAQ, read the READMEs but haven't foiund anything. All clues >graciously received. > >Regards, > >Alister Air > > >-- > >Alister Air Ph 9514 1277 >IT Manager Fx 9514 1656 >Faculty of Science, University of Technology Sydney >"The time of your life is the one commodity that > you can sell but never buy back." -- Bob Black > > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Alister Air Ph 9514 1277 IT Manager Fx 9514 1656 Faculty of Science, University of Technology Sydney "The time of your life is the one commodity that you can sell but never buy back." -- Bob Black From dgporter at erols.com Wed Aug 2 05:14:03 2000 From: dgporter at erols.com (Don Porter) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users names in Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 1 Aug, Chris Snyder wrote: > One thing my boss commented on when I showed him Mailman, was that it > doesn't allow you to record your list memebers full names like Listserv. > (Thus, he's not 100% sold on Mailman ;) After I think about it, I would love > to do be able to do that - any possibility of adding a comment/name field as > part of the subscription forms? Let me echo that. Why not store the full e-mail address syntax permitted by RFC822, such as: "Don Porter" I was happy to see that Mailman accepted such addresses in the "mass subscribe" web interface. I was disappointed when I visited the subscriber list and all that remained was "dgporter at erols.com". My apologies if that is a naive question. -- | Don Porter dgporter at erols.com | | "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!" | | -- Adam West as BATMAN | |______________________________________________________________________| From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Aug 2 06:24:38 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] users names in Mailman References: Message-ID: <3987A286.ABB25715@west.sun.com> Don Porter wrote: > > On 1 Aug, Chris Snyder wrote: > > One thing my boss commented on when I showed him Mailman, was that it > > doesn't allow you to record your list memebers full names like Listserv. > > (Thus, he's not 100% sold on Mailman ;) After I think about it, I would love > > to do be able to do that - any possibility of adding a comment/name field as > > part of the subscription forms? > > Let me echo that. Why not store the full e-mail address syntax > permitted by RFC822, such as: > > "Don Porter" > > I was happy to see that Mailman accepted such addresses in the > "mass subscribe" web interface. I was disappointed when I visited the > subscriber list and all that remained was "dgporter at erols.com". > > My apologies if that is a naive question. Nope, but it's something Mailman doesn't currently do. Learn Python and code it up, and it'll go into 2.1. (I'm considering making time to do that, because I'd like that feature too.) From bwarsaw at beopen.com Wed Aug 2 06:32:32 2000 From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 Message-ID: <14727.42080.119761.425152@anthem.concentric.net> Folks, I've just released Mailman 2.0 beta 5. This is an important bug fix release that should once and for all solve the "cookie re-authentication" bug. It also fixes a small security hole that could be exploited by clever local users to gain group mailman permission. As usual, you can get the tarball from SourceForge http://download.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0beta5.tgz or list.org http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz or (soon) ftp.gnu.org ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/mailman-2.0beta5.tgz Please let me know how it goes for you. Remember to use the SourceForge bug tracker for reporting bugs NOT the old Jitterbug database on python.org (which I cannot shut off right now). Also, patches should be uploaded to the SourceForge patch manager. Enjoy, -Barry From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Aug 2 07:19:41 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:19:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advisory: mailman local compromise (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3987AF6D.DCD8029A@west.sun.com> The patch at the end didn't include a fix for fatal(), but Barry's added what looks like the fix to 2.0beta5 (just released) John Ello wrote: > > Can anyone vouch for the patch at the end? > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:14:20 -0400 > From: Stan Bubrouski > To: BUGTRAQ at SECURITYFOCUS.COM > Subject: Advisory: mailman local compromise > > Author : Stan Bubrouski > Date : August 1, 2000 > Package : mailman > Versions affected : 2.0beta3 (released: 2000-Jun-28 23:25) > 2.0beta4 (released: 2000-Jul-06 21:27) > Severity : access to group mailman binaries are installed as > which (usually mailman). > Most directories in a mailman install are > mode 2755 as are most of the > binaries and scripts. Many configurations > are 664 allowing a local user > to change list ocnfigurations and even read > the adm.pw passwd file. > Additionally besides being able to read > public and private data along with > passwds, a malicious user could replace > binaries and scripts in a mailman > installation because they are writable by > group mailman. > Problem : The mailman package comes with a sgid program named > wrapper. This > program contains a function named fatal() > which is used to display error > messages. Unfortunately it fails to send the > correct amount of arguments > to the fprintf(3) function allowing users to > add formatting which could > be used to insert and execute code under > group mailman. fatal() > is called when invalid arguments are provided > and in such a case, the invalid > arguments are sent to fprintf without being > formatted, the same goes for argv[0]. > Example: > > [user at king user]$ ls -al /usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper > -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 36290 Jul 1 06:48 > /usr/share/mailman/mail/wrapper > [user at king user]$ cd /usr/share/mailman/mail > [user at king mail]$ ls -al > total 39 > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 12 19:29 . > drwxrwsr-x 16 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 27 20:13 .. > -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 36290 Jul 1 06:48 wrapper > [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper > Usage: ./wrapper program [args...] > [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s > Illegal command: Illegal command: %s[user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%s > Illegal command: Illegal command: %s%s?????=@????X????>@[user at king > mail]$ ./wrapper %s%s%s > Segmentation fault > [user at king mail]$ ./wrapper %s%u%p > Illegal command: Illegal command: %s%u%p32212244600x656c6c49[user at king mail]$ > [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s > Usage: Usage: %s program [args...] > program [args...] > [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s > Usage: Usage: %s%s program [args...] > ?????=@????X????>@ program [args...] > [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%p > Usage: Usage: %s%p program [args...] > 0xbffffc0c program [args...] > [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%S%u > Usage: Usage: %s%S%u program [args...] > [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s > Usage: Usage: %s%s program [args...] > ?????=@????X????>@ program [args...] > [user at king mail]$ doexec ./wrapper %s%s%s > Segmentation fault > [user at king mail]$ > > Patch: > diff -u -r ./cgi-wrapper.c.orig ./cgi-wrapper.c > --- ./cgi-wrapper.c.orig Tue Mar 21 01:26:41 2000 > +++ ./cgi-wrapper.c Fri Jul 28 00:17:42 2000 > @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ > fake_argv[2] = script; > > status = run_script("driver", 3, fake_argv, env); > - fatal(logident, status, "%s", strerror(errno)); > + fatal(logident, status, "%s\n", strerror(errno)); > return status; > } > > diff -u -r common.c.orig ./common.c > --- ./common.c.orig Mon May 22 14:59:31 2000 > +++ ./common.c Thu Jul 27 23:58:12 2000 > @@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ > printf("\n"); > } > else > - fprintf(stderr, log_entry); > + fprintf(stderr, "%s", log_entry); > #endif /* HELPFUL */ > exit(exitcode); > } > diff -u -r ./mail-wrapper.c.orig ./mail-wrapper.c > --- ./mail-wrapper.c.orig Tue Mar 21 01:26:41 2000 > +++ ./mail-wrapper.c Fri Jul 28 00:16:34 2000 > @@ -67,13 +67,13 @@ > > if (!check_command(argv[1])) > fatal(logident, MAIL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND, > - "Illegal command: %s", argv[1]); > + "Illegal command: %s\n", argv[1]); > > check_caller(logident, parentgid); > > /* If we got here, everything must be OK */ > status = run_script(argv[1], argc, argv, env); > - fatal(logident, status, "%s", strerror(errno)); > + fatal(logident, status, "%s\n", strerror(errno)); > return status; > } > > Patch info : The patch fixes fatal() and also adds newlines to > some fatal() calls because > fatal() does not tack them on and as you can > see in the example above, the > lack of newlines in some calls make errors > harder to read. I made the patch > using the latest CVS tree but it should apply > to beta3 and beta4 releases as well. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Aug 2 07:14:17 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:14:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman = spam magnet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:58 PM -0400 8/1/00, Chris Snyder wrote: >One thing I've noticed since I've installed Mailman, is I'm getting spam on >my mailing lists. It's either coincidence, or your previous MLM threw stuff out without telling you. Mailman is very careful to tell you about everything, and that might be the difference. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From thiyagu at siptech.co.in Wed Aug 2 10:27:05 2000 From: thiyagu at siptech.co.in (V Thiyagarajan (Sysadmin)) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:57:05 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription problem Message-ID: Hi I have created a list. From the "General Information page i'm subscriping the users but i'm getting an error --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not Found The requested URL /mailman/subscribe/sysadmn was not found on this server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where should i change the url? From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Aug 2 07:54:46 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:54:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Subscription problem References: Message-ID: <3987B7A6.D224FB97@west.sun.com> "V Thiyagarajan (Sysadmin)" wrote: > > Hi > > I have created a list. From the "General Information page i'm subscriping > the users but i'm getting an error > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Not Found > > The requested URL /mailman/subscribe/sysadmn was not found on this server. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Where should i change the url? Beats me; the admin page should be going to mailman/admin//members; I have no idea how it got so screwed up. Does 'subscribe' or 'sysadmn' appear in your webserver configuration? (or is 'sysadmn' the name of the list?) From Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.de Wed Aug 2 08:50:05 2000 From: Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.de (Ralf Hildebrandt) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:50:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug after update to 2.0b4 II In-Reply-To: <3987352C.D1CBCAE2@west.sun.com>; from Dan.Mick@west.sun.com on Die, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:38:04 -0700 References: <20000801131741.S16919@innominate.de> <20000801212739.A17989@mail.dskk.co.jp> <3987352C.D1CBCAE2@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000802085005.C20166@innominate.de> Am 01.08.2000 um 13:38:04 -0700 schrieb Dan Mick folgendes: > Yes, it's really hard to see how Barry could stress this more: > > UPGRADING FROM 2.0 beta to 2.0 final Note that beta 4 is hardly final, but beta ! > The cron jobs for Mailman 2.0 final have changed considerably, > including the frequency with which they run. You should reload > misc/crontab.in for the `mailman' user to get the right settings. > See the INSTALL file for details. > > FAILURE TO DO THIS WILL RESULT IN A LESS THAN OPTIMALLY FUNCTIONAL > MAILMAN INSTALLATION. I noticed :) -- Ralf.Hildebrandt at innominate.de Dipl.-Informatiker innominate AG System Engineer networking people tel: +49.30.308806-62 fax: -77 web: http://innominate.de pgp: /pgp/rhi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000802/79ca6959/attachment.htm From deo at deo.dhs.org Wed Aug 2 12:27:08 2000 From: deo at deo.dhs.org (David Oscroft) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 20:27:08 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] When a password gets lost Message-ID: <200008021027.UAA31277@mail.ans.com.au> Hi :) I was wondering, is it possible to obtain the admin password for a list if some bright person changes it and forgets what it is ? I manage several lists under Mailman version 1.1 Cheers o---------------------------------------------------------:) < < David E Oscroft - Australia > > < < Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law > > MGD/SH/SX S* W++ N@ PCE++ Ds/r A a C+ G* QH+ 666+++ Y o---------------------------------------------------------.) From jmackenzie at local.ie Wed Aug 2 12:56:50 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:56:50 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still Getting issues with windows clients and lockfiles Message-ID: <00080212025807.00902@samsara.local.ie> Hey Folks , Just to let you know that Even after upgrading to 2.0b5 I'm still experiencing this issue. Incase you need a reminder of the issue... Basically lockfiles don't appear to be expiring, also Windows browsers attempting to view the lists are getting internal server error messages , while my Linux Netscape works fine (after I've manually deleted the lock) Barry, Not sure if you've got time to look at this but if you do , You're more than welcome to shell access. Regards - John -- John MacKenzie | Unix Systems Admin | e: mailto:jmackenzie at local.ie ___________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch your local area through Local Ireland http://chat.local.ie/chat/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ local ireland | dublin | new york | http://www.local.ie t: +353 1 676 8996 f: +353 1 283 9988 From wcarlson at vh.org Wed Aug 2 15:50:47 2000 From: wcarlson at vh.org (Bill Carlson) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:50:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] When a password gets lost In-Reply-To: <200008021027.UAA31277@mail.ans.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, David Oscroft wrote: > Hi :) > > I was wondering, is it possible to obtain the admin password for a list if > some bright person changes it and forgets what it is ? > > I manage several lists under Mailman version 1.1 > You can't recover it, but you can change it. Log into the list admin page with the site password, then change the admin password. If you forgot the site password, see bin/mmsitepass. Bill Carlson ------------ Systems Programmer bill-carlson at uiowa.edu | Opinions are mine, Virtual Hospital http://www.vh.org/ | not my employer's. University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics | From nathan at robotics.net Wed Aug 2 15:06:48 2000 From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto unsubscribing when sent to list. In-Reply-To: <13211.965143498@kanga.nu> Message-ID: I have a list of about 1000 people and get a lot of people in and out of the list. Several people send subjects with "unsubscribe" in them or send unsubscribe in the body". I have thought about not allowing any @yhooo or @aol address to post to salve the problem, but need something else. Can the list automatically unsubscribe anyone that sends a message or a header with the word unsubscribe to the list? ><> Nathan Stratton CTO, Exario Networks, Inc. nathan at robotics.net nathan at exario.net http://www.robotics.net http://www.exario.net From satyap at satya.virtualave.net Wed Aug 2 16:34:24 2000 From: satyap at satya.virtualave.net (Satya) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:04:24 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto unsubscribing when sent to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Aug 2, 2000 at 09:06, Nathan Stratton wrote: >@aol address to post to salve the problem, but need something else. Can >the list automatically unsubscribe anyone that sends a message or a header >with the word unsubscribe to the list? (Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that seem to be administrative requests? [46](Details) [47]( ) No [48](*) Yes On the general options page for your list. -- Satya. US-bound grad students! For pre-apps, see It's not the size of your stack that matters, it's how you push and pop. From bug at aphid.net Wed Aug 2 17:02:43 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:02:43 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <00ed01bffbc7$65c55c80$362518d0@jordan>; from blurr@txraves.org on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 09:47:13AM -0500 References: <00ed01bffbc7$65c55c80$362518d0@jordan> Message-ID: <20000803010243.H16708@aphid.net> > > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 blurr at txraves.org wrote: > > > > > i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without > > > using a password. > > > > That kind of opens subscriptions up to mischief, doesn't it? Or do you > > propose going to an entirely confirmation-mail method of ensuring people > > aren't subscribed/unsubscribed without their consent? > > yep, exactly what i was thinking. but make it an option, passwords > are still a Good Thing. Optional yes please. On a per user basis as well as per list. I really couldn't care if someone is able to unsubscribe me from the mailman lists I am on. Other people may care, that's their choice, but I'd love to not have to receive password notifications or have to do this to unsubscribe: 1. Go to list page, ask for password to be emailed to me. 2. Receive email, go back to page, enter email and be unsubscribed. This is obviously not a big issue, but it is a big niggle. Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From bug at aphid.net Wed Aug 2 17:06:37 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:06:37 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <39873587.11B7213@west.sun.com>; from Dan.Mick@west.sun.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:39:35PM -0700 References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> <39873587.11B7213@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000803010637.I16708@aphid.net> Wrote Dan Mick on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 01:39:35PM -0700: > > Chuck Dale wrote: > > > > For What It's Worth: > > > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. > > > > And definitely to make the "Send Password Reminders Every Month" > > option default to OFF. > > > > I say this after another month of receiving more than 10 separate > > password reminders. And mailman lists only account for about 1/3 of > > the lists I am on! > > > > All the other mailing list managers seem to do without it so why > > waste time with it. > > If you're going to require passwords (as Mailman does), it seems critical > to me that the reminder remain "on", as "I lost my password because > I can't follow welcome message instructions" is *the* number 1 complaint > of my list users. > > If, and only if, there's ever a way to run a list without passwords, > then obviously the reminder should be turned off, since it's then > meaningless. I find the reminder meaningless anyway. A reminder that comes once a month is a reminder that gets deleted or forgotten by most people. Particularly with the lists I am maintaining (definitely non-technically minded people), this password reminder just adds to the confusion. A lot of people do not file their mail. Myself I never bother saving password requests because often I am on and off a list within the month anyway and if I'm on it for more than a month I'm there to stay. Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From Todd.Miller at courtesan.com Wed Aug 2 17:33:22 2000 From: Todd.Miller at courtesan.com (Todd C. Miller) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:33:22 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 00:32:32 EDT." <14727.42080.119761.425152@anthem.concentric.net> References: <14727.42080.119761.425152@anthem.concentric.net> Message-ID: <200008021533.e72FXMt24784@xerxes.courtesan.com> In message <14727.42080.119761.425152 at anthem.concentric.net> so spake (bwarsaw): Just in case this bites anyone else, I ran into problems because I had set DEFAULT_URL to a value that did not end in '/'. This worked fine up up to and including beta 4 but with beta 5 it broke Utils.ScriptURL. Adding a trailing slash made things much happier (but I had to read Utils.ScriptURL to guess why :-). - todd From YackettaRJ at worldkitchen.com Wed Aug 2 18:13:32 2000 From: YackettaRJ at worldkitchen.com (Yacketta,Ronald J) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:13:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoreply/redirect Message-ID: <5F6BC2AFB0E8D311B71A0060089A911801339FBA@newman.ccpci.com> Hello all! We (my company) just acquired another company, we would like to have all email sent to user at olddomain.com autoreply with a message informing them of the new email address of user at newcomapny.com. is this possible? -Ron ============================================================================ == ______ /_____/\ Ronald J. Yacketta /____ \\ \ Solaris Systems Administrator /_____\ \\ / World Kitchen /_____/ \/ / / One Pyrex Place /_____/ / \//\ Elmira, NY 14902 \_____\//\ / / \_____/ / /\ / Desk : 607-377-8328 \_____/ \\ \ Cell : 607-368-0208 \_____\ \\ email: yackettarj at worldkitchen.com \_____\/ url : www.worldkitchen.com From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Aug 2 18:37:00 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:37:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <20000803010243.H16708@aphid.net> References: <00ed01bffbc7$65c55c80$362518d0@jordan> <20000803010243.H16708@aphid.net> Message-ID: At 1:02 AM +1000 8/3/00, Chuck Dale wrote: >Optional yes please. On a per user basis as well as per list. Optional per-list is a good idea, per-user is overkill. The number of users who'd care is well under 1%, not worth the work it'd take to implemnt. don't use elephant guns to kill ticks. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Aug 2 18:42:33 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:42:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoreply/redirect In-Reply-To: <5F6BC2AFB0E8D311B71A0060089A911801339FBA@newman.ccpci.com> References: <5F6BC2AFB0E8D311B71A0060089A911801339FBA@newman.ccpci.com> Message-ID: At 12:13 PM -0400 8/2/00, Yacketta,Ronald J wrote: >Hello all! > >We (my company) just acquired another company, we would like to have all >email sent to user at olddomain.com autoreply with a message informing them of >the new email address of user at newcomapny.com. >is this possible? I'd do this with a procmail filter, or even better, the vacation program, and set up all aliases to forward a copy to the vacation prog to return a message (but set it not to send it very often, no more than once a day...). That way, you can add thi without hacking aynthing but the aliases file. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Aug 2 18:41:04 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:41:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <20000803010637.I16708@aphid.net> References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> <39873587.11B7213@west.sun.com> <20000803010637.I16708@aphid.net> Message-ID: At 1:06 AM +1000 8/3/00, Chuck Dale wrote: >I find the reminder meaningless anyway. A reminder that comes once a >month is a reminder that gets deleted or forgotten by most people. Yes, and no. I've run lists with and without regular reminders. They definitely help some people, adn the people who tune them out don't pay attention to anything anyway. The monthly reminders are, I think, a net win, if tehy're done right. I don't think Mailman does them quite right. I'd MUCH prefer to see this done on a per-list basis, not a per-server basis, and also allow me to space them out over a period of time, so that they aren't all sent out at the same time. And, once we do that, to include some kind of text file as a "monthly reminder" about the list as well. THEN it'd be useful. Except to the ones who refuse to be helped, and since there are no 100% solutions, I don't believe that things that aren't 100% useful ought to be tossed out because of it... Another advantage of the reminder is that it helps nudge traffic into very low volume groups that otherwise might get forgotten. And it helps people remember they're on the lower volume lists, where otherwise, it might cause issues down the road because they forgot, a list suddenly gets busy, and they think they're being spammed. And that DOES happen. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Wed Aug 2 18:40:34 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:40:34 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to List - Installation Help Message-ID: I recently downloaded and installed Mailman v3. The installation of Mailman itself was rather seamless. I followed the readme, and ran the bin/check_perms - it finished with no problems. After this, I ran into problems. I am not sure how to give this program the necessary cgi permissions, nor how to make my apache installation work properly with it. Here is a brief run-down on my system setup: Red Hat v6.2, full installation, all defaults Mailman is installed in /home/mailman Apache was installed with the original Linux installation Any help is appreciated. I am a amateur at this stuff. I am new to the Linux/Unix world. Thanks. Robert Meredith (robert.meredith at neonsoft.com) New Era of Networks, Inc. From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Wed Aug 2 19:08:56 2000 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:08:56 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to List - Installation Help In-Reply-To: Message from "Meredith, Robert" of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:40:34 MDT." Message-ID: Robert, Its difficult to give a straight recipe for this stuff since it can depend on what else the system does, are you running virtual servers etc. However, as a boilerplate recipe try this... back the config files up first :-) Assuming you are using a standard RH apache package set, edit /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf, find the lines that look like # You may place any other directories or locations you wish to have # access information for after this one. (they should be pretty much the last thing in the file) and add in:- # Mailman stuff ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/ Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None order allow,deny allow from all After making these changes, restart the httpd - easiest method is /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd restart You may wish to think about the security configuration - I run that box reasonably open - the real issue is can anyone get at the lists (I don't restrict access at all), and how much archive access do you give - I allow anyone to read, which means that people can see what lists you have by going to the /pipermail/ directory on your web server. The mail side is more complex, and I'll not comment for a generic RH system since I don't run sendmail. Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From claw at kanga.nu Wed Aug 2 19:20:14 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:20:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: Message from Dan Mick of "Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:39:35 MST." <39873587.11B7213@west.sun.com> References: <20000801231204.T16708@aphid.net> <39873587.11B7213@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <24321.965236814@kanga.nu> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:39:35 -0700 Dan Mick wrote: > If you're going to require passwords (as Mailman does), it seems > critical to me that the reminder remain "on", as "I lost my > password because I can't follow welcome message instructions" is > *the* number 1 complaint of my list users. I find it telling, especially since I'm using the default Mailman footer that lists the URL to the list page, that every month I get a rash of unsubscribes right after the password reminders go out. I like that -- it means my subscriber list is helped to keep clean of uninterested people. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From claw at kanga.nu Wed Aug 2 19:28:41 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:28:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] autoreply/redirect In-Reply-To: Message from "Yacketta,Ronald J" of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:13:32 -0400." <5F6BC2AFB0E8D311B71A0060089A911801339FBA@newman.ccpci.com> References: <5F6BC2AFB0E8D311B71A0060089A911801339FBA@newman.ccpci.com> Message-ID: <24862.965237321@kanga.nu> On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:13:32 -0400 Yacketta,Ronald J wrote: > We (my company) just acquired another company, we would like to > have all email sent to user at olddomain.com autoreply with a message > informing them of the new email address of user at newcomapny.com. > is this possible? You can do this fairly easily at the MTA level. If you want to be a bit userfriendly you can also set your MTA rewrite the inbound message to go the proper address while also sending back a change-of-address notice to the poster. You don't need anything like Mailman for this. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From andrew at ugh.net.au Wed Aug 2 19:32:39 2000 From: andrew at ugh.net.au (andrew at ugh.net.au) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:32:39 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Forcing use of FQDN when speaking to postfix Message-ID: <20000803033239.013940%andrew@ugh.net.au> Hi, I just upgraded from 2.0b2 to 2.0b4 and have got the bug back where mailman says HELO localhost and postfix rejects it as it isnt fully qualified. (PR 234) I have tried adding: name = "my.fqdn.here" on lines 298 and 316 of smtplib.py but mailman is still saying HELO Can anyone help? I'm afraid I don't know much about python but I'm after a fix quickly. Thanks for your time, Andrew From michael at spconnect.com Wed Aug 2 19:40:38 2000 From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <24321.965236814@kanga.nu> Message-ID: I like the webpage, passwords, and anouncements. Mailman has keep my sanity with dealing with list owners. On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, J C Lawrence wrote: > Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:20:14 -0700 > From: J C Lawrence > To: Dan Mick > Cc: Chuck Dale , mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords > > On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:39:35 -0700 > Dan Mick wrote: > > > If you're going to require passwords (as Mailman does), it seems > > critical to me that the reminder remain "on", as "I lost my > > password because I can't follow welcome message instructions" is > > *the* number 1 complaint of my list users. > > I find it telling, especially since I'm using the default Mailman > footer that lists the URL to the list page, that every month I get a > rash of unsubscribes right after the password reminders go out. > > I like that -- it means my subscriber list is helped to keep clean > of uninterested people. > > From ronphelps at centralva.net Thu Aug 3 07:42:26 2000 From: ronphelps at centralva.net (ron phelps) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:42:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New to List Message-ID: <39890642.31AB7580@centralva.net> Hi.. Just checking out this list. Was hoping to add it to my site http://nursesportal.com Have you guys had success with this program. It is extremely easy to get on and off .... which is important.. Feedback on mailman would be nice.. later ron From andrew at ugh.net.au Wed Aug 2 20:18:11 2000 From: andrew at ugh.net.au (andrew at ugh.net.au) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:18:11 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Forcing use of FQDN when speaking to postfix Message-ID: Hi, Well I have got my quick fix working...I remember now...tabs and spaces are not equal in python...after the pain it took to find that out last time I'm not sure how I could have forgotten... It would still be nice if this hack wasn't necessary for when 2.0 is released. Thanks, Andrew PS Sorry for the dreadful formatting in the last mail. I wont send mail from my web browser again... From pjh at mccc.edu Wed Aug 2 21:16:59 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with beta5 Message-ID: I installed beta 5 on a sparc running solaris 2.7, and the install (including bin/check_perms) was fine. I created a test list and subscribed a dummy person. The email system complained as afoows: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 500, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error 2 Is it complaining about "wrapper", 'cause it is setgid to mailman (group 500). What could be wrong? Thanks, Pete From pjh at mccc.edu Wed Aug 2 22:45:47 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with beta5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Pete Holsberg wrote: > I installed beta 5 on a sparc running solaris 2.7, and the > install (including bin/check_perms) was fine. > > I created a test list and subscribed a dummy person. The > email system complained as afoows: > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 500, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error 2 I reinstalled using --with-mail-gid=1 to match what sendmail had as the default user. Is it sendmail that's generating the "WANTED..GOT.." message? Thanks, Pete From doug at world-mail.org Wed Aug 2 22:55:31 2000 From: doug at world-mail.org (Doug Curtis) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with beta5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2163.141.165.48.249.965249731.squirrel@world-mail.org> I had a similar problem when I installed using the numerical gid that the sendmail.cf said it was using. Once I used the non-numerical gid, "mail", it started working fine. I found out the name from the /etc/group file. Doug > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Pete Holsberg wrote: > > > I installed beta 5 on a sparc running solaris 2.7, and the > > install (including bin/check_perms) was fine. > > > > I created a test list and subscribed a dummy person. The > > email system complained as afoows: > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" > > (expanded from: ) > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 500, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) > > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error 2 > > I reinstalled using --with-mail-gid=1 to match what > sendmail had as the default user. > > Is it sendmail that's generating the "WANTED..GOT.." > message? > > Thanks, > Pete > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From mitd at mitd.com Wed Aug 2 23:21:57 2000 From: mitd at mitd.com (mitd at mitd.com) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:21:57 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with AMPERSAND in addresses on list Message-ID: <20000802172157.A31194@mitd.com> If this problem has already been covered or solved, our apologies but we couldn't find it in list. Problem: list address like: mom_&_dad at foobar.com when mailman creates sendmail command line SHELL truncate address and thinks '&' is shell command and puts in background ... causing everything to crap out. Our solution: modify sendmail.py to put "sendmail address arguments " inside doblequotes. But: We wonder if smrsh should be taking care of this?? Comments??? -- Peter Marshall -- CTO Openphase "The The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." A.Einstein "The magic is in the doing" - P. Marshall From nathan at robotics.net Wed Aug 2 22:29:21 2000 From: nathan at robotics.net (Nathan Stratton) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Auto unsubscribing when sent to list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Satya wrote: > On Aug 2, 2000 at 09:06, Nathan Stratton wrote: > > >@aol address to post to salve the problem, but need something else. Can > >the list automatically unsubscribe anyone that sends a message or a header > >with the word unsubscribe to the list? > > (Administrivia filter) Check postings and intercept ones that seem to > be administrative requests? [46](Details) > > [47]( ) No [48](*) Yes > > On the general options page for your list. I have that checked, does not fix the problem at all. From bwarsaw at beopen.com Wed Aug 2 23:49:55 2000 From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 References: <14727.42080.119761.425152@anthem.concentric.net> <200008021533.e72FXMt24784@xerxes.courtesan.com> Message-ID: <14728.38787.132425.78616@anthem.concentric.net> >>>>> "TCM" == Todd C Miller writes: | In message <14727.42080.119761.425152 at anthem.concentric.net> | so spake (bwarsaw): TCM> Just in case this bites anyone else, I ran into problems TCM> because I had set DEFAULT_URL to a value that did not end in TCM> '/'. This worked fine up up to and including beta 4 but with TCM> beta 5 it broke Utils.ScriptURL. Adding a trailing slash TCM> made things much happier (but I had to read Utils.ScriptURL TCM> to guess why :-). I had a sneaking suspicion about that. I'll make sure there's a more robust solution in the next release. -Barry From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 3 00:07:21 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with installation Message-ID: <200008022206.PAA07663@utopia.west.sun.com> Did you run check_perms from ~mailman/ ? > got problem with installation. i run ./configure then make install (linux, suse 6.1). > afterwards /home/mailman/bin/.checks_perms. > the i get 284 list of problems something like: > /home..... bad gid (has users, expected mailman) > /home..... .hotjava directory is not setgid(has: users, expected mailman) > > What did i wrong? i got a user account mailman and group mailman. i added the user mailman to group mailman. > thanks for help From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 3 00:10:50 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords Message-ID: <200008022209.PAA07839@utopia.west.sun.com> > I'd love to not have to receive password notifications or have to do > this to unsubscribe: > > 1. Go to list page, ask for password to be emailed to me. > 2. Receive email, go back to page, enter email and be unsubscribed. > > This is obviously not a big issue, but it is a big niggle. While I agree that passwords are a pain, coping with them just seems trivial to me. First, sub/unsub happen *very* infrequently, so a little pain just isn't that big a deal Second, "a mailbox to save my list subscription info" struck me as a good idea about 15 years ago, and it takes up almost no space, and it includes every Mailman list's password right in it, along with instructions on how to use it without the Web browser, for free just by saving the welcome message. I still agree that passwords should be optional, at least per-list (per-subscriber could get to be a pain) but they're just not that hard to deal with. From wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 00:20:12 2000 From: wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu (Gary Wilson) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:20:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords References: <200008022209.PAA07839@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <007501bffccf$d399b900$4100a8c0@wwpublish.com> I'll add my vote for making passwords optional. Just like all the other fine options in Mailman, some lists need and want the passwords, others don't. I'm for freedom of choice. Gary From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 3 00:29:24 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords Message-ID: <200008022228.PAA09152@utopia.west.sun.com> > I find the reminder meaningless anyway. A reminder that comes once a > month is a reminder that gets deleted or forgotten by most people. > Particularly with the lists I am maintaining (definitely non-technically > minded people), this password reminder just adds to the confusion. A lot > of people do not file their mail. Those people don't remember their phone number? They don't have an SSN? It's trivial to save a four-character password, and it's reasonable to expect a mailinglist member to do it. You don't have to "file mail" to do that (although it's obviously the easiest way). > Myself I never bother saving password requests because often I am on and > off a list within the month anyway and if I'm on it for more than a > month I'm there to stay. I sure hope you save the unsubscribe instructions and any optional passwords *some*where, so that you can unsubscribe yourself as necessary. From dereks at kd-dev.com Thu Aug 3 00:32:36 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <200008022228.PAA09152@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: -> > I find the reminder meaningless anyway. I find the reminders quite useful. I would like the option of turning them off, especially if passwords will be optional. -> Those [non-technical] people don't remember their phone number? -> They don't have an SSN? 1) Phones have been around a hundred years, my grandmother knows what that is. She does *not* know what a password is (in computing terms). 2) I only have one SSN to memorize, not 5 or 10 or 15. 3) Most people don't know how to file their emails. They have enough problems using the backspace key. I'm thinking of the network appliance and IMac users, here, not Unix sysadmins such as the people subscribed to this list. It's very easy for us to forget that the general public can't distinguish between the monitor and the CPU. -> It's trivial to save a four-character password, [...] ...not for my grandmother (or even my mother).... -> and it's reasonable to expect a mailinglist member to do it. Depends on the mailing list member. May I suggest a self-improvement exercise? Volunteer some time at your local library, helping newbies with computers. Observe how people have problems understanding the correlation between mouse-movement and cursor-movement. Observe how people don't understand terms like "scrollbar", "button", "window", or "click". Then try to imagine having to explain passwords to these people. From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Aug 3 01:02:30 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords Message-ID: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com> > -> Those [non-technical] people don't remember their phone number? > -> They don't have an SSN? > > 1) Phones have been around a hundred years, my grandmother knows what that > is. She does *not* know what a password is (in computing terms). She doesn't have to know. She's been told she needs it, and to save it, in no uncertain terms. That's all she needs to know. And it's a trivial task. > 3) Most people don't know how to file their emails. They have enough > problems using the backspace key. I don't believe that. I deal with a huge cross-section of users, and less than 1% are that stupid. (Yes, stupid. You have to be as sophisticated to drive a car as to file a copy of an email.) > I'm thinking of the network appliance and IMac users, here, not > Unix sysadmins such as the people subscribed to this list. It's very easy > for us to forget that the general public can't distinguish between the > monitor and the CPU. You don't need to do that. > > -> It's trivial to save a four-character password, [...] > > ...not for my grandmother (or even my mother).... Nonsense. They have notepads, and know how to use them, if they insist on not learning that basic function of the computer. > -> and it's reasonable to expect a mailinglist member to do it. > > Depends on the mailing list member. OK, I'll fall back on the Standard Mailman-Users response: any mailing list member I'm interested in supporting will find some way to store, using a computer or a notepad or a wallet or a Daytimer or a memory or a pen on the back of the hand, a password. > May I suggest a self-improvement exercise? Volunteer some time at > your local library, helping newbies with computers. Observe how people > have problems understanding the correlation between mouse-movement and > cursor-movement. Observe how people don't understand terms like > "scrollbar", "button", "window", or "click". > > Then try to imagine having to explain passwords to these people. Those people aren't on mailing lists, because they can't find the keyboard to subscribe. From dgc at uchicago.edu Thu Aug 3 01:11:17 2000 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:11:17 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com>; from Dan.Mick@west.sun.com on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 04:02:30PM -0700 References: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000802181117.L1640@smack.uchicago.edu> On 2000.08.02, in <200008022301.QAA11515 at utopia.west.sun.com>, "Dan Mick" wrote: > > > May I suggest a self-improvement exercise? Volunteer some time at > > your local library, helping newbies with computers. Observe how people > > have problems understanding the correlation between mouse-movement and > > cursor-movement. Observe how people don't understand terms like > > "scrollbar", "button", "window", or "click". > > > > Then try to imagine having to explain passwords to these people. > > Those people aren't on mailing lists, because they can't find the > keyboard to subscribe. I'm not going to get any further into this, but you must realize that that's not the only way people get onto mailing lists. I'm increasingly of the impression that a lot of people on this list deal very little, if at all, with the average computer user. Most of them don't go hunting lists to be part of, but many of them are certainly on lists, and have no idea how to cope with it. -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From dereks at kd-dev.com Thu Aug 3 01:05:26 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: -> > Then try to imagine having to explain passwords to these people. -> -> Those people aren't on mailing lists, because they can't find the -> keyboard to subscribe. Not yet. But several market studies show that the "network appliance" market is poised to explode. IBM, Oracle, Netpliance and others have developed set-top and low-profile systems that do email and websurfing only. Some of them don't even have a mouse (just custom-labelled buttons on the keyboard). ...not to mention the fact that Dreamcast and PlayStation 2 game consoles have 'Net access. Soon all those grandmothers, low-income households, and slow adopters will be getting online. Some of them will want to subscribe to community/clubs/family/hobby mailing lists, and dealing with a "password" will be just one more barrier to communication for those people. But, since we agree that passwords should be optional, the discussion is for naught. --Derek From bm at lynx.ve3jf.ampr.org Thu Aug 3 05:58:04 2000 From: bm at lynx.ve3jf.ampr.org (Barry McLarnon VE3JF) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <200008022209.PAA07839@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <200008030358.XAA00341@lynx.ve3jf.ampr.org> Dan Mick wrote: > > I still agree that passwords should be optional, at least per-list > (per-subscriber could get to be a pain) but they're just not > that hard to deal with. Optional on a per-list basis would be fine. One other thing related to passwords: a subscriber on one of my lists recently had a frustrating time trying to change his settings because what he thought was an "I" character in the password was actually a "l". He suggests having the password generator avoid using the characters "I", "l" and "1". Seems like a reasonable request, and probably easy to code up. I don't know Python, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see if someone wants to whip up a patch and submit it. Hmmm, "O" and "0" might be another good pair to avoid... Barry -- Barry McLarnon VE3JF | bm at hydra.carleton.ca Ottawa Amateur Radio Club | bm at lynx.ve3jf.ampr.org Packet Working Group | http://hydra.carleton.ca From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Aug 3 06:50:32 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:50:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <200008022228.PAA09152@utopia.west.sun.com> References: <200008022228.PAA09152@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: At 3:29 PM -0700 8/2/00, Dan Mick wrote: >It's trivial to save a four-character password, and it's reasonable >to expect a mailinglist member to do it. This is one of the password's serious weaknesses. The passwords, being random letters, are impossible to remember. So they get tossed. Better would be to build a table of four letter words, and creating passwords on combining two of them. It'd still be effectively impossible to crack, even if the cracker had the list, and it'd be a lot easier on the user. > > Myself I never bother saving password requests because often I am on and >> off a list within the month anyway and if I'm on it for more than a >> month I'm there to stay. > >I sure hope you save the unsubscribe instructions and any optional >passwords *some*where, so that you can unsubscribe yourself as >necessary. I tell people not to save the password, but to save the place where they can get the password sent to them when they need it. why save the password? simply save the listinfo page URL, and you can have it sent to you at any time, and you don't risk security breaches nearly as much. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Aug 3 06:54:27 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:54:27 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com> References: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: At 4:02 PM -0700 8/2/00, Dan Mick wrote: >She doesn't have to know. She's been told she needs it, and to >save it, in no uncertain terms. That's all she needs to know. No, she also needs to be told WHY, in a way that she understands adn agrees. Otherwise, she blows you off -- and should. I don't think you intended it as such, Dan, but this came across as rather patronizing. >And it's a trivial task. To those of us who do mail lists seriously (or for a living), maybe. it's not nearly that easy or obvious for novices. Try spending time working with them, or even better, doing user tests with them. Lotsa fun, that. > > 3) Most people don't know how to file their emails. They have enough >> problems using the backspace key. > >I don't believe that. Believe. If your users aren't like that, be happy you work with a more experience group of users than some of us do. > > I'm thinking of the network appliance and IMac users, here, not >> Unix sysadmins such as the people subscribed to this list. It's very easy >> for us to forget that the general public can't distinguish between the >> monitor and the CPU. > >You don't need to do that. yes, you do. You'r ebeing patronizing again. > > ...not for my grandmother (or even my mother).... > >Nonsense. They have notepads, and know how to use them, if they >insist on not learning that basic function of the computer. Why should they, though? All you've said is "because I said so". That's a rotten reason. >OK, I'll fall back on the Standard Mailman-Users response: any >mailing list member I'm interested in supporting will find some >way to store, using a computer or a notepad or a wallet or a Daytimer >or a memory or a pen on the back of the hand, a password. Then you ought to try running lists where you need the users more than they need you. It's very eye opening. but if you run lists where you can dictate "do it my way or leave, and I don't care", it does save you a lot of hassle... I can't. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From dereks at kd-dev.com Thu Aug 3 07:40:03 2000 From: dereks at kd-dev.com (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -> >It's trivial to save a four-character password, and it's reasonable -> >to expect a mailinglist member to do it. -> -> This is one of the password's serious weaknesses. The passwords, -> being random letters, are impossible to remember. So they get tossed. -> Better would be to build a table of four letter words, and creating -> passwords on combining two of them. One algorithm I've seen would combine 4-6 letter words with digits, so you get passwords like love5pizza say9more bread2flee ...certainly strong enough for an unencrypted email system, and easier to remember. Of course, I don't have time to implement this :) -> I tell people not to save the password, but to save the place where -> they can get the password sent to them when they need it. why save -> the password? simply save the listinfo page URL, and you can have it -> sent to you at any time, and you don't risk security breaches nearly -> as much. Well, there's the argument that the password flying acrossed the net is a security risk, but if you need *real* security you should be on a VPN anyhow. Passwords are only there to reduce abuse of people subscribing/unsubscribing others without consent. Since that's never been a problem on my lists, I would like to turn it off (and have a subscription policy that does not require a confirmation). --Derek From JeanVallery at BicycleMessenger.com Thu Aug 3 07:59:43 2000 From: JeanVallery at BicycleMessenger.com (Jean Andre Vallery) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman won't archive Message-ID: <20000803055943.D7D1FBCFA@sitemail.everyone.net> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000802/273c323a/attachment.asc From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Aug 3 08:09:45 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 23:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My Poor Users Have No Hands References: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <39890CA9.47F05644@west.sun.com> Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > > At 4:02 PM -0700 8/2/00, Dan Mick wrote: > > >She doesn't have to know. She's been told she needs it, and to > >save it, in no uncertain terms. That's all she needs to know. > > No, she also needs to be told WHY, in a way that she understands adn > agrees. Otherwise, she blows you off -- and should. I don't think you > intended it as such, Dan, but this came across as rather patronizing. Again: nonsense. I don't need to know WHY I don't put oil in my gas tank to know not to do it. I don't need to know WHY to put my foot on the brake before shifting into gear. You're applying ridiculous standards to stand up for The Poor User because you think I care not a whit for them, and you're overbending to make the point. You're wrong; I do care about making things as easy as is reasonable or possible for the user. But there are some things the user simply must do. I'm not even trying to claim that dealing with passwords is one of them; I've said repeatedly that I think it would be good if Mailman didn't absolutely require them. My only argument is "it's not *that* bad to deal with" and "you don't have to be a computer guru to know how to use a pencil", two arguments which you are addressing with ridiculously-overblown drama. > >And it's a trivial task. > > To those of us who do mail lists seriously (or for a living), maybe. > it's not nearly that easy or obvious for novices. Writing a four-character string on a piece of paper and not losing it is not easy or obvious? I'm sorry, Chuq, you're just wrong. > > > I'm thinking of the network appliance and IMac users, here, not > >> Unix sysadmins such as the people subscribed to this list. It's very easy > >> for us to forget that the general public can't distinguish between the > >> monitor and the CPU. > > > >You don't need to do that. > > yes, you do. You'r ebeing patronizing again. Why do you need to distinguish between the monitor and the CPU in order to write a note to yourself using non-computer technology? And how on Earth is correcting a non-issue "patronizing"? I'll tell you who's being patronizing... > > > ...not for my grandmother (or even my mother).... > > > >Nonsense. They have notepads, and know how to use them, if they > >insist on not learning that basic function of the computer. > > Why should they, though? All you've said is "because I said so". > That's a rotten reason. It might be, but it's the reason for a lot of things in life. Tough nuggets. Some things Just Are. Why do you have to hit a button when you're done typing, shouldn't the machine just figure that out? Why, in fact, do you have to type at all, shouldn't the machine just know what you're thinking? For Pete's sake. > >OK, I'll fall back on the Standard Mailman-Users response: any > >mailing list member I'm interested in supporting will find some > >way to store, using a computer or a notepad or a wallet or a Daytimer > >or a memory or a pen on the back of the hand, a password. > > Then you ought to try running lists where you need the users more > than they need you. It's very eye opening. but if you run lists where > you can dictate "do it my way or leave, and I don't care", it does > save you a lot of hassle... > > I can't. OK, I'll bite: what sort of lists do you run where you need the users more than they need you, and why? And moreover, how do you plan on changing the laws of physics for those users, since after all, "Because I said so" isn't a good enough reason for anything, according to the diatribe above? From bug at aphid.net Thu Aug 3 09:18:02 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:18:02 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <007501bffccf$d399b900$4100a8c0@wwpublish.com>; from wilsong@sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:20:12PM -0400 References: <200008022209.PAA07839@utopia.west.sun.com> <007501bffccf$d399b900$4100a8c0@wwpublish.com> Message-ID: <20000803171802.M16708@aphid.net> Wrote Gary Wilson on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:20:12PM -0400: > I'll add my vote for making passwords optional. Just like all the other fine > options in Mailman, some lists need and want the passwords, others don't. > I'm for freedom of choice. Thank you Gary I will agree with that and leave it there. Too tempting to keep arguing =) Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Aug 3 17:06:06 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:06:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] My Poor Users Have No Hands In-Reply-To: <39890CA9.47F05644@west.sun.com> References: <200008022301.QAA11515@utopia.west.sun.com> <39890CA9.47F05644@west.sun.com> Message-ID: At 11:09 PM -0700 8/2/00, Dan Mick wrote: >You're applying ridiculous standards to stand up for The Poor User because >you think I care not a whit for them, Baloney. I just happen to work with them all the time, and have for years, Dan. you, on the other hand, are acting like the typical Elitist ListAdmin, of which I know many. "you do it my way, or go away". Very easy on the list admin, but not good for the end user. >I'm sorry, Chuq, you're just wrong. > No, I'm not. But you aren't willing to listen, so I won't waste either of our time any more. >OK, I'll bite: what sort of lists do you run where you need the >users more than they need you, I run, among other things, the e-marketing lists for Apple, where my daily subscription list is larger than the combined subscription lists of 95% of the lists run by people on this mailing list combined, and where I not only have to work with naive users, I have to work with a high percentage of naive users who don't speak english. And "you're not smart enough to be on my mailing list" isn't an option. (no, those lists aren't on mailman. They're 100% custom coded systems. Mailman couldn't handle them, and isn't flexible enough to manage them. Yet. But that system handles about 25,000 admin changes a day, and is one of our mail systems I manage these days) -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From claw at kanga.nu Thu Aug 3 17:20:39 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:20:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: Message from Chuck Dale of "Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:18:02 +1000." <20000803171802.M16708@aphid.net> References: <200008022209.PAA07839@utopia.west.sun.com> <007501bffccf$d399b900$4100a8c0@wwpublish.com> <20000803171802.M16708@aphid.net> Message-ID: <24899.965316039@kanga.nu> On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:18:02 +1000 Chuck Dale wrote: > Wrote Gary Wilson on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:20:12PM -0400: >> I'll add my vote for making passwords optional. Just like all the >> other fine options in Mailman, some lists need and want the >> passwords, others don't. I'm for freedom of choice. > Thank you Gary I will agree with that and leave it there. > Too tempting to keep arguing =) Yes, well, umm, you do realise that Mailman also needs to be able to enforce password changing, auditing, and dictionary crack requirements don't you? Say something like: At least 8 characters Must contain at least 2 punctuation symbols (non-letter, non-digit) Must be contain at least two letters of different case Must not differ from an english word by only the punctuation symbols Enforced bimonthly password changes with a 6 month history check Few other similar requirements. Yeah, that should keep a few people happy, especially if we make it the default. Or we could just go the simple route and implement a PKI structure. Yup. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From minter at lunenburg.org Thu Aug 3 18:10:25 2000 From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beta5/FreeBSD4.0 - Mail not getting delievered Message-ID: I just upgraded a partially functional Mailman 2.0b2 to 2.0b5 in hopes of fixing some lingering problems. However, now mail won't get sent out to the lists. Looking at /var/log/maillog, it gets accepted and "sent" just fine, but it never reaches its destination. Ideas? ---/var/log/maillog excerpt --- Aug 3 12:10:10 bunning sendmail[27478]: MAA27478: from=, size=889, class=0, pri=30889, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, relay=[216.5.96.76] Aug 3 12:10:10 bunning sendmail[27479]: MAA27478: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent ---End--- From bug at aphid.net Thu Aug 3 18:10:32 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:10:32 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <24899.965316039@kanga.nu>; from claw@kanga.nu on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:20:39AM -0700 References: <200008022209.PAA07839@utopia.west.sun.com> <007501bffccf$d399b900$4100a8c0@wwpublish.com> <20000803171802.M16708@aphid.net> <24899.965316039@kanga.nu> Message-ID: <20000804021032.U16708@aphid.net> (I must first say that I didn't really understand the tone that this email was said in and am a little unclear as to the meanings..) Wrote J C Lawrence on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:20:39AM -0700: > Chuck Dale wrote: > > > Wrote Gary Wilson on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:20:12PM -0400: > >> I'll add my vote for making passwords optional. Just like all the > >> other fine options in Mailman, some lists need and want the > >> passwords, others don't. I'm for freedom of choice. > > > Thank you Gary I will agree with that and leave it there. > > > Too tempting to keep arguing =) > > Yes, well, umm, you do realise that Mailman also needs to be able to > enforce password changing, auditing, and dictionary crack > requirements don't you? Say something like: > > At least 8 characters [..] Or not. Because where is the threat in being removed from a mailing list? > Or we could just go the simple route and implement a PKI structure. > Yup. *Cheer* Yes please. Or was that just a hint of sarcasm.. I have been playing around with RSA's CertServer and thinking a lot about how cool it would be to have a reliable CA for the free software community, and certificate support in apps such as CVS, Mailman etc. Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From virginia at texterity.com Thu Aug 3 18:25:51 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman won't archive In-Reply-To: <20000803160146.C10BE1CF2F@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: > From: Jean Andre Vallery > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman won't archive > We couldn't get the cron to write to the archive unless it was done > manually. It would be incredibly helpful if we could get more information (for example, is cron sending a error message back, and if so, what does it say?), but I have two suggestions: (1) Check the permissions in your archives directory. On my system all the archive and mbox directories are mode 2775 (a+rx,og+w,setgid) and owned by mail:mailman (mail is the UID that my MTA runs as). bin/check_perms may help here (2) Check your distribution of python. If you are running RedHat Linux, upgrade to at least python-1.5.2-13. -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From ronphelps at centralva.net Fri Aug 4 06:31:18 2000 From: ronphelps at centralva.net (ron phelps) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:31:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #698 - 13 msgs References: <20000803160146.63D7C1CF2E@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: <398A4715.1014B3BF@centralva.net> Wow.. I like this philosophical disscussion about how people function on the net Strange but Derek REALLY does have it right.. I have taken care of my 6 websties for 3 years...and if I have learned anything.. its the KISS principle.. keep it simple..... I'll say to myself .....all they have to do is press that button.. lo and behold.... they don't know how....Or can't find it .......right in front of them......... beats me.... ISN'T logical.. but thats the way it is..... and YES a person who can drive a car should be able to do it...... BUT a LARGE portion of surfers Can't.. well......there's my 2 cents ron From andreas at conectiva.com.br Thu Aug 3 18:26:05 2000 From: andreas at conectiva.com.br (Andreas Hasenack) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:26:05 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beta5/FreeBSD4.0 - Mail not getting delievered In-Reply-To: ; from minter@lunenburg.org on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 12:10:25PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20000803132605.B25835@conectiva.com.br> Somewhere after beta2 (maybe beta4) mailman started using cron. Check /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in and put it somewhere to be run by cron. Em Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 12:10:25PM -0400, H. Wade Minter escreveu: > I just upgraded a partially functional Mailman 2.0b2 to 2.0b5 in hopes of > fixing some lingering problems. However, now mail won't get sent out to > the lists. Looking at /var/log/maillog, it gets accepted and "sent" just > fine, but it never reaches its destination. -- Andreas Hasenack andreas at conectiva.com.br BIG Linux user! From ncooler at nandomedia.com Thu Aug 3 18:32:56 2000 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: 03 Aug 2000 21:32:56 +0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200008031632.MAA29634@storm.nando.net> Hi guys, I am getting several complaints from users saying that their passwords are not working I haven't really been able to verify it, but these people say that the password that mailman assigned to them and was emailed to them simply does not work. I am using Mailman 2 Beta 2, sendmail 8.9.3 and Red Hat 6.2. Any Ideas? Thanks lots! --neil From minter at lunenburg.org Thu Aug 3 18:36:51 2000 From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Beta5/FreeBSD4.0 - Mail not getting delievered In-Reply-To: <20000803132605.B25835@conectiva.com.br> Message-ID: That seemed to fix it. Maybe if I'd RTFM'd a little better... :-) Thanks, Wade On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Andreas Hasenack wrote: > Somewhere after beta2 (maybe beta4) mailman started using cron. Check > /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in and put it somewhere to be run by > cron. > > Em Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 12:10:25PM -0400, H. Wade Minter escreveu: > > I just upgraded a partially functional Mailman 2.0b2 to 2.0b5 in hopes of > > fixing some lingering problems. However, now mail won't get sent out to > > the lists. Looking at /var/log/maillog, it gets accepted and "sent" just > > fine, but it never reaches its destination. > > -- > Andreas Hasenack > andreas at conectiva.com.br > BIG Linux user! > From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu Thu Aug 3 19:01:48 2000 From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:01:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving subscriber list to new host? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000803115611.02211050@admin.aurora.edu> Hi everyone. I have been running several lists on a host that is being reassigned. I have set up Mm on the new box, and I was wondering how I could get the list subscriber data from the old machine to the new (the old box is no longer running Mm BTW). Is is just a matter of recreating the list on the new server, copying the .db file in the old list directory to the new box, and dropping it in? Thanks, --chris From pjh at mccc.edu Thu Aug 3 19:14:39 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange Install Problem beta5 Message-ID: The cgi-bin directory is empty! 'make install' creates it but never puts any files in it. How do I get those files? Thanks, Pete From pjh at mccc.edu Thu Aug 3 19:18:02 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange Install Problem beta5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Pete Holsberg wrote: > The cgi-bin directory is empty! > > 'make install' creates it but never puts any files in it. > Hmm. The mail directory is also empty. This is solaris 2.7. From pjh at mccc.edu Thu Aug 3 19:28:21 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange Install Problem beta5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Pete Holsberg wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Pete Holsberg wrote: > > > The cgi-bin directory is empty! > > > > 'make install' creates it but never puts any files in it. > > > Hmm. The mail directory is also empty. This is solaris 2.7. Oops. I meant solaris 2.6. Even more strange! I just upgraded a beta4 to beta5 on an solaris 2.7 machine and everything worked!! ??? From rob at peopleart.net Thu Aug 3 21:21:07 2000 From: rob at peopleart.net (Rob Martin) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:21:07 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got GID 1 Message-ID: <009501bffd7f$f965de60$0101a8c0@robmlaptop> I'm sure this must have been mentioned before, but can anyone tell me how to get rid of the problem that involves a mailer error 2 and the statements below? Thanks! Rob Martin Part 1: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2 Part 2: Logging error: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+', 1) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/qrunner' Original log message: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/logs/qrunner' Aug 03 14:09:01 2000 (7226) qrunner begining Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 269, in ? lock.lock(timeout=0.5) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 219, in lock self.__write() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 338, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/home/mailman/locks/qrunner.lock.wi2600.7226' _____ Q. What is the square root of 4 b^2? A. "To be, or not to be." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000803/d8affbf0/attachment.htm From bug at aphid.net Fri Aug 4 10:35:33 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:35:33 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Got GID 1 In-Reply-To: <009501bffd7f$f965de60$0101a8c0@robmlaptop>; from rob@peopleart.net on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 02:21:07PM -0500 References: <009501bffd7f$f965de60$0101a8c0@robmlaptop> Message-ID: <20000804183533.A12246@aphid.net> Wrote Rob Martin on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 02:21:07PM -0500: > I'm sure this must have been mentioned before, but can anyone tell me how to get rid of the problem that involves a mailer error 2 and the statements below? > You have read INSTALL? You gave the correct options to configure? Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From gopher at aol.net Fri Aug 4 15:46:35 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Request for a link Message-ID: Can we get a link under the administration web pages (I'm thinking either under 'General Options' or 'Archival Options' pages) to go to that list's message archive? Currently I have to blip though a third page (usually general list info) get a link for the archives. I know I'm being lazy here, but I actually hit my archives quite a bit, and I find that I'm wanting to hit them when setting on the admin pages. thx, Chris. (Believe, if I had the time to learn Python, I wouldn't be making the request.) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From kambiz at redhat.com Fri Aug 4 16:22:21 2000 From: kambiz at redhat.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:22:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest messages wacky! (Was:[Fwd: RHL Digest]) Message-ID: <398AD19D.BE0E2D1@redhat.com> Does anyone know how to deal with this issue. I have unhappy digest users and I really want them to be happy again! :-) Thanks Kambiz -- \o__O o Kambiz Aghaiepour, RHCE - Phone: (919) 524-7423 o o \_ /|\ -= Red Hat, Inc. =- |\| Pager: (800) 946-4646 //\ //\ |\ |\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | Pager Pin #: 1412622 // // / / |/ mailto:kambiz at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com |\ || -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Robert Glover" Subject: Re: RHL Digest Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:16:34 -0400 Size: 3308 Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000804/ee372c31/attachment.mht From martin.schloemer at ruhr-uni-bochum.de Fri Aug 4 16:31:36 2000 From: martin.schloemer at ruhr-uni-bochum.de (Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?Schl=F6mer?=) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:31:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID problem Message-ID: <398AD3C8.3CC6CD7C@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Hi, i'm stuck in part 1 of the FAQ. I'm getting this error (in /var/log/mail) everytime i try to post anything to the list: Aug 4 15:58:26 myhost Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 58. (Reconfigure to take 58?) And that's all the errors i could find. I tried configure with the --with-mail-gid option. Then make; make update but nothing changed. The error is exactly the same. i tried configure --with-mail-gid=12 as well as configure --with-mail-gid=mailgroup What am i doing wrong? Martin. From kambiz at redhat.com Fri Aug 4 16:31:27 2000 From: kambiz at redhat.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:31:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest messages wacky! (Was:[Fwd: RHL Digest]) References: <398AD19D.BE0E2D1@redhat.com> Message-ID: <398AD3BF.7F6DC827@redhat.com> Ok. I changed the Digest member options to change delivery from Plain to MIME. Hopefully this will deal with the issue. Kambiz Kambiz Aghaiepour wrote: > > Does anyone know how to deal with this issue. I have unhappy digest users and I > really want them to be happy again! :-) Thanks > > Kambiz > -- \o__O o Kambiz Aghaiepour, RHCE - Phone: (919) 524-7423 o o \_ /|\ -= Red Hat, Inc. =- |\| Pager: (800) 946-4646 //\ //\ |\ |\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | Pager Pin #: 1412622 // // / / |/ mailto:kambiz at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com |\ || From outreach at gn.apc.org Fri Aug 4 17:13:14 2000 From: outreach at gn.apc.org (GreenNet Outreach) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:13:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID problem In-Reply-To: <398AD3C8.3CC6CD7C@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Message-ID: Hi > Aug 4 15:58:26 myhost Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. > WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 58. (Reconfigure to take 58?) I'm just a newbie to the list - but have you tried configure --with-mail-gid=58 maybe this would work?? Regards Liz Probert GreenNet User Support and Outreach ===================================================================== GreenNet - Global Computer Communications For Environment, Peace, Human Rights and Development. 74-77 White Lion Street, London, N1 9PF, UK. E-mail: outreach at gn.apc.org Website: http://www.gn.apc.org Tel: (Intl +44) 020 7713 1941 Fax: (Intl +44) 020 7837 5551 **Please include the original message in your reply to us** ===================================================================== From jake at rsub.net Fri Aug 4 17:38:05 2000 From: jake at rsub.net (Jake Kirsch) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:38:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] export to text file` Message-ID: Is there a way to export the mailman database to a text file or some other format? Jake Kirsch --------------------- Jake Kirsch [w] 212.798.7079 Intern, RSUB.com [c] 646.425.7583 [ R S U B ] From gopher at aol.net Fri Aug 4 17:40:49 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] GID problem In-Reply-To: <398AD3C8.3CC6CD7C@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Martin [iso-8859-1] Schl?mer wrote: >Hi, > >i'm stuck in part 1 of the FAQ. >I'm getting this error (in /var/log/mail) everytime i try to post >anything to the list: > >Aug 4 15:58:26 myhost Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. >WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 58. (Reconfigure to take 58?) > >And that's all the errors i could find. > >I tried configure with the --with-mail-gid option. >Then make; make update >but nothing changed. The error is exactly the same. > >i tried > configure --with-mail-gid=12 >as well as > configure --with-mail-gid=mailgroup > Did you blow away the file config.cache before reconfiguring? Configure keeps all it's settings there and reads that file if you re-run it, lots of times (all?) ignoring anything that's already cached. If the GIDs are chaced, then your new settings are going to be ignored. Chris. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From gopher at aol.net Fri Aug 4 17:43:25 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] export to text file` In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Jake Kirsch wrote: >Is there a way to export the mailman database to a text file or some other >format? >Jake Kirsch > Try /home/mailman/bin/dumpdb Chris. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From virginia at texterity.com Fri Aug 4 18:08:26 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] export to text file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Jake Kirsch wrote: > Is there a way to export the mailman database to a text file or some other > format? Which database do you want to export? I know you can export the config with: $ bin/config_list -o config.txt listname I suspect the rest of the databases are probably just DBM or Berkeley DB or something easy; you could easily just write a perl script to grab the keys and values out. -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From ncooler at nandomedia.com Fri Aug 4 18:18:09 2000 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: 04 Aug 2000 21:18:09 +0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] export to text file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200008041617.MAA28720@storm.nando.net> Actually, I believe they are in the Python "marshal" db format. Therefore, you should learn a little Python if you want to interact with the db. ~/bin/list_members should be the correct solution anyways. --neil > > I suspect the rest of the databases are probably just DBM or Berkeley DB > or something easy; you could easily just write a perl script to grab the > keys and values out. > > From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Fri Aug 4 18:49:46 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:49:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D056F@EMAIL> Any caveats when upgrading from 2.0 beta 4 to 2.0 beta 5? The upgrading file is a bit vague as to what versions need things. I've been watching the list, and think I know what's going on, but it's hard to tell for sure. Greg From gopher at aol.net Fri Aug 4 18:53:54 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D056F@EMAIL> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote: >Any caveats when upgrading from 2.0 beta 4 to 2.0 beta 5? The upgrading >file is a bit vague as to what versions need things. I've been watching the >list, and think I know what's going on, but it's hard to tell for sure. > Greg I didn't have any issues at all when I upgraded - it went smooth. Just followed the instructions in the INSTALL doc. Chris. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From bwarsaw at beopen.com Sun Aug 6 18:29:59 2000 From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bad Marshal Data References: Message-ID: <14733.37511.141226.38415@anthem.concentric.net> >>>>> "JB" == Jonah Baker writes: JB> A list of 40,000 has gotten corrupted and I can't seem to JB> restore it from backup. The error I get from running check_db JB> is "bad marshal data." Both config.db and config.db.last were JB> corrupted. I tried replacing them with three backups but I JB> continue to get the "bad marshal data" error. How do I JB> recover the database? Rebuilding will be a major undertaking, JB> and I will loose everyone's passwords, so I would rather JB> massage out any errors by hand in the corrupted file. JB> I was told that withlist will allow me to look into a JB> corrupted database but I can't seem to make it work at the JB> command line. JB> What might have lead to the corruption is the rampant creation JB> of .tmp. files. There were 65 of them when I last backed up. JB> Any idea what might have been causing this? I have a suspicion that disk i/o errors, such as a disk or quota filling up could cause this. The very latest CVS has a patch for this which should solve the problem (which we ran into on python.org, just as we were getting our access back!). I've tested it with quota exceptions on Linux. -Barry From bwarsaw at beopen.com Sun Aug 6 18:34:10 2000 From: bwarsaw at beopen.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge problem (in my opinion) with large lists... References: <3986ECE6.834F2ADD@redhat.com> Message-ID: <14733.37762.293574.519896@anthem.concentric.net> >>>>> "KA" == Kambiz Aghaiepour writes: KA> We are running Mailman2.0beta4 and I'm noticing the following KA> significant issue. As messages come in, they're dumped into a KA> qfiles/ directory where they're processed sequencially by KA> qrunner. One of our lists has over 100,000 subscribers. KA> Unfortunately, when a message is sent to this huge list, all KA> other mail messages (for any of the other lists on the server) KA> are basically "on hold" until this huge list receives their KA> message. I'm sitting here watching the queue size grow. KA> qrunner seems to be running though (an strace shows that it's KA> zipping through the list of recipients). KA> Is there anything that can be done to give each queue (or KA> list) its own thread, so that the system does not come to a KA> grinding halt when a huge distribution is processed? The SMTPDirect delivery module has some experimental support for threading. If your Python interpreter was built with thread support, try playing with MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS in mm_cfg.py (see the comments in Defaults.py for details). Mailman can't require threads yet because Python 1.5.2 is the last official final release of Python on the streets, and it is not built with threads by default. This will likely change with Python 1.6/2.0. -Barry From pjh at mccc.edu Sun Aug 6 18:32:05 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Messages report wrong list - still Message-ID: Whenever monthly messages are returned, the error message contains the name of the wrong mailing list! TRhis obviously make it difficult to troubleshoot. Is there an easy way to find out which list the intended recipient is on without having to do a manual search of each list? Can anyone developing mailman fix this in the next release? Thanks, Pete From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Aug 6 19:26:54 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 10:26:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge problem (in my opinion) with large lists... In-Reply-To: <14733.37762.293574.519896@anthem.concentric.net> References: <3986ECE6.834F2ADD@redhat.com> <14733.37762.293574.519896@anthem.concentric.net> Message-ID: At 12:34 PM -0400 8/6/00, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: >The SMTPDirect delivery module has some experimental support for >threading. If your Python interpreter was built with thread support, >try playing with MAX_DELIVERY_THREADS in mm_cfg.py (see the comments >in Defaults.py for details). I've been looking around this stuff a bit, since it was my idea in the first place, and I think lightweight threads won't work well for this type of situation. Barry's initial tests showed you didn't really get much, and I think it's because, ultimately, you still only have one process going. To do this right's going to require spawning processes (fork/exec), not just threads. And that's something where we'll have to sit down and have to think through how to best do that. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From ace at suares.com Sun Aug 6 21:20:23 2000 From: ace at suares.com (Ace Suares) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 21:20:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains, Patch, Question Message-ID: <398DD697.5262.558C5D@localhost> Hi, This is in reply to a message of David Sexton which appeared Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:48:07 +0000 on this list. He describes a patch to MailList.py that should make virtual user support more easy. I applied the patch to 2.0beta5-1 and the patch seemed to work. (I mean, the file was patched without rejections). However, I can not change "The public name of this list (make case-changes only)." in the admin screen. The cgi-bin program says that it won't allow anything else then case changes. How to solve this ? The admin program in cgi-bin is not a script, and the config.db per list is a database, so i can not meddle around with it directly. What is the proper way to set up virtual domains ? I understand mailman has support for it, but if no list can have the same name in different domains, it's not very usefull. In the archives I didn't find many usefull answers; this patch of Dave Sexton seems the closest thing to a solution... If anyone has info about this issue, would be greatly appreciated ! _Ace Suares Follwing the original message: "Sergio A. Murillo" wrote: > > I've been trying to configure Mailman to work with a virtual domain on a web > server with serveral virtual domains. I read William R. Dickson sugestion > of installing a copy of mailman for each of the virtual domains. > How do i do this?/?? I've been traying all week now and still no luck... This is the way I have it done (I'm not 100% certain of the security/reliability of this but it has worked so far): I have one user set-up purely for mailman and mailman is installed in that user's directory & web space. All the administration for the lists are done through this one URL (although it may be possible to put wrappers around this). Onto the 'meat'... I'm assuming that you have set up the mail aliases and virtual user table in the following manner:- virtusertable: @ list- -admin@ list--admin -request@ list--request -owner@ list--admin aliases: list-: "|wrapper post " list--admin: "|wrapper mailowner " list--request: "|wrapper mailcmd " To change the domain of the list, you would go into the admin screen and change the host name of the list. This will allow you to successfully set-up & use list1 at domain1.com & list2 at domain2.com. Is this perfect? No. This would work until you needed two lists of the same 'name' eg: announce at domain1.com and announce at domain2.com A workaround for this is to embed the domain name into the list name and create lists like the following:- domain1-com-announce & domain2-com-announce This now looks really clunky as the list would be at domain1-com-announce at domain1.com etc. But .. if you mangle the entries in virtusertable, incoming mail works .... virtusertable announce at domain1.com list-domain1-com-announce announce at domain2.com list-domain2-com-announce .. do a similar thing for the request & admin etc. addresses. aliases list-domain1-com-announce: "|wrapper post domain1-com-announce" list-domain2-com-announce: "|wrapper post domain2-com-announce" Now we're *almost* there. The addresses that mailman puts into messages it sends out will contain the full list name (domain2-com-announce at domain2) , not the short version you want. Back in the mailman admin screens, there is a field that in the public name of a list. It seems to indicate that mailman will use this name when generating addresses but changing this only does half the job. I've hacked around a bit with MailList.py and got much better reults. If you apply the attached patch and change the 'public name' for the lists, it should work. ** NOTE ** I have very little experience of Python (I'm a perler at heart) and almost no appreciation of the structure of Mailman so I cannot guarrantee that these changes will not foul everything up. The docs say that you should not change the public name of a list and, although it is working so far, I am not totally sure of the implications of this. Hope this helps, Dave -- David Sexton Network Technician Sapphire Technologies Ltd. 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Sapphire Technologies Ltd http://www.sapphire.net | Ace Suares, Internet Consultancy and Training | Keizersgracht 132, 1015 CW AMSTERDAM, NL | phone: 06 557 06 554 (+31 6 557 06 554) | fax: 020 870 770 5 (+31 20 870 770 5) | mailto:ace at suares.com PGP Key idea: 0x39B81FE5 | http://www.suares.com From micah at riseup.net Sun Aug 6 23:33:10 2000 From: micah at riseup.net (Micah) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:33:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge problem (in my opinion) with large lists... In-Reply-To: <3986ECE6.834F2ADD@redhat.com>; from kambiz@redhat.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 11:29:42AM -0400 References: <3986ECE6.834F2ADD@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20000806143310.I25839@riseup.net> Having a similar related problem here - our list has 5,500 people subscribed, and it is a moderated list. When something is posted that should go to the list, I go to the tend to pending administrative tasks, approve the message, click on submit and then wait for 5 minutes, only to get an error saying the document contains no data, the message doesn't get sent out and is still part of the tend to administrative requests queue. We desperately need to send these messages out, but we can't! Thanks On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 11:29:42AM -0400, Kambiz Aghaiepour wrote: > We are running Mailman2.0beta4 and I'm noticing the following significant > issue. As messages come in, they're dumped into a qfiles/ directory where > they're processed sequencially by qrunner. One of our lists has over 100,000 > subscribers. Unfortunately, when a message is sent to this huge list, all > other mail messages (for any of the other lists on the server) are basically > "on hold" until this huge list receives their message. I'm sitting here > watching the queue size grow. qrunner seems to be running though (an strace > shows that it's zipping through the list of recipients). > > Is there anything that can be done to give each queue (or list) its own > thread, so that the system does not come to a grinding halt when a huge > distribution is processed? > > Kambiz > > -- > \o__O o Kambiz Aghaiepour, RHCE - Phone: (919) 524-7423 o o > \_ /|\ -= Red Hat, Inc. =- |\| Pager: (800) 946-4646 //\ //\ > |\ |\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | Pager Pin #: 1412622 // // > / / |/ mailto:kambiz at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com |\ || > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From micah at riseup.net Sun Aug 6 23:44:44 2000 From: micah at riseup.net (Micah Anderson) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:44:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: ; from wrd@awenet.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 07:21:00AM -0700 References: <006601bffbc1$0a9eea70$362518d0@jordan> Message-ID: <20000806144444.J25839@riseup.net> Personally I would like this option - being able to confirmation-mail method, if desired. I have a list with 5000+ users on it... it is surprising how many people don't read the message detailing how to unsubscribe or even dont know how to use it at all, totally frustrating to have to deal with hundreds of admin emails because people can't figure out how to unsubscribe. Micah On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 07:21:00AM -0700, William R. Dickson wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 blurr at txraves.org wrote: > > > i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without > > using a password. > > > > > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > > > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. > > That kind of opens subscriptions up to mischief, doesn't it? Or do you > propose going to an entirely confirmation-mail method of ensuring people > aren't subscribed/unsubscribed without their consent? > > -Bill > > > -- > William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 > wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) > > My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but Mrs. Spade > didn't raise any children dippy enough to make guesses in front > of a district attorney, and an assistant district attorney, and a > stenographer. > -Sam Spade > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Mon Aug 7 07:23:20 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 22:23:20 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch to add "go to archives" to admin page Message-ID: <398E47C8.F9CE9E3F@west.sun.com> Someone asked for this yesterday or today, and it turned out to be really easy to add. (It's possible you can't use this directly as a patch, but if so, just cut and paste the new line in...) Index: admin.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py,v retrieving revision 1.73 diff -u -r1.73 admin.py --- admin.py 2000/08/02 01:30:35 1.73 +++ admin.py 2000/08/05 06:41:57 @@ -243,6 +243,7 @@ 'Go to the general list information page.')) otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetScriptURL('edithtml'), 'Edit the HTML for the public list pages.')) + otherlinks.AddItem(Link(mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL(), 'Go to list archives.')) otherlinks.AddItem(Link('%s/logout' % adminurl, # TBD: What I really want is a blank line :/ 'Logout')) From santila at iki.fi Mon Aug 7 13:40:18 2000 From: santila at iki.fi (Sampo Antila) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:40:18 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems to restore mailman lists from backup tape Message-ID: <398EA022.6D7B5057@iki.fi> Hi! We have using mailman in our mailserver, but now one harddrive crashed and I had to install a new server, because we didn't take backups for full system. However, I have backup of our old lists. I just copied those old list to our new server .../mailman/lists/ directory. That didn't work. Admin password didn't match. I also copied .../mailman/data/adm.pw from backup tape to new server, but that didn't help anyting. What is correct way to restore those lists to our server? Our old mailman was some old version than this new one. New one is 2.0beta2, our server is Redhat 6.2 and we have python 1.5.2. Let me know if anwers need more information. Thanks in advance. Sampo Antila - santila at iki.fi - http://www.iki.fi/santila - From gopher at aol.net Mon Aug 7 14:27:59 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge problem (in my opinion) with large lists... In-Reply-To: <20000806143310.I25839@riseup.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Micah wrote: > >Having a similar related problem here - our list has 5,500 people >subscribed, and it is a moderated list. When something is posted that >should go to the list, I go to the tend to pending administrative tasks, >approve the message, click on submit and then wait for 5 minutes, only to >get an error saying the document contains no data, the message doesn't get >sent out and is still part of the tend to administrative requests queue. > >We desperately need to send these messages out, but we can't! > I've seen that too, I believe it was Netscape's browser (in my case) running out of memory as it POST'd the information back to the server. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From bug at aphid.net Mon Aug 7 15:20:02 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:20:02 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains, Patch, Question In-Reply-To: <398DD697.5262.558C5D@localhost>; from ace@suares.com on Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 09:20:23PM +0200 References: <398DD697.5262.558C5D@localhost> Message-ID: <20000807232002.X16708@aphid.net> Wrote Ace Suares on Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 09:20:23PM +0200: > > This is in reply to a message of David Sexton > which appeared Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:48:07 +0000 > on this list. > > He describes a patch to MailList.py that should make virtual user support > more easy. > I applied the patch to 2.0beta5-1 and the patch seemed to work. (I mean, the > file was patched without rejections). I used this patch on Mailman 1.1 and got no such problems. There is no better way that I've found to provide clean virtual domain support. Looks like 2.0 has put some checks in to stop you making bad changes: elif getattr(mlist, property) <> value: # TBD: Ensure that mlist.real_name differs only in letter # case. Otherwise a security hole can potentially be opened # when using an external archiver. This seems ad-hoc and # could use a more general security policy. if property == 'real_name' and \ string.lower(value) <> string.lower(mlist._internal_name): # then don't install this value. document.AddItem("""

real_name attribute not changed! It must differ from the list's name by case only.

""") continue setattr(mlist, property, value) [line 815 of Mailman/Cgi/admin.py] Just remove the check if you want to. But the comments indicate that this is could be a security hole... > However, I can not change "The public name of this list (make case-changes > only)." in the admin screen. The cgi-bin program says that it won't allow > anything else then case changes. > > How to solve this ? The admin program in cgi-bin is not a script, and the > config.db per list is a database, so i can not meddle around with it directly. Actually it seems that the admin program in cgi-bin is just a wrapper to run the Mailman/Cgi/admin.py script. I only just realised this, but it definitely makes things easier. > What is the proper way to set up virtual domains ? I understand mailman has > support for it, but if no list can have the same name in different domains, > it's not very usefull. > > In the archives I didn't find many usefull answers; this patch of Dave Sexton > seems the closest thing to a solution... Hopefully someone comes up with a cleaner solution one day. -- What you want me to do it?? =) Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From haroldp at sierraweb.com Mon Aug 7 17:41:28 2000 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:41:28 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Posts Message-ID: Yikes! I just sent out my first "live" Mailman posts and it sent 1500 bikers the same message 12 times! The archive shows 1 message, but mailman/logs/smtp shows that it sent it 12 times (before I killed sendmail). Any ideas? I'm running: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE a CVS snap of Mailman 2.0 b4 + the "templates" patch from sourceforge sendmail Any help (before the bikers start breaking down my door) would be appreciated. - H Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From dan at ssc.com Mon Aug 7 19:39:24 2000 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:39:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <20000806144444.J25839@riseup.net>; from micah@riseup.net on Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 02:44:44PM -0700 References: <006601bffbc1$0a9eea70$362518d0@jordan> <20000806144444.J25839@riseup.net> Message-ID: <20000807103924.C8906@ssc.com> I'll add my voice to the password-optional side. We manage several mailing lists with up to 10,000 recipients on a list, using Majordomo. Which doesn't use passwords, just mail-from. So far, we've had precisely -->one<-- complaint about unauthorized subscribes and unsubscribes. For a variety of reasons, we'd like to move these lists over to Mailman. We don't feel that we need passwords. We believe that the overhead associated is more than our list subscribers desire. And we aren't eager to send out a few tens of thousands of password reminders each month. We don't think our subscribers will be appreciative of that, in the least. On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 02:44:44PM -0700, Micah Anderson wrote: > Personally I would like this option - being able to confirmation-mail > method, if desired. I have a list with 5000+ users on it... it is > surprising how many people don't read the message detailing how to > unsubscribe or even dont know how to use it at all, totally frustrating to > have to deal with hundreds of admin emails because people can't figure out > how to unsubscribe. > > Micah > > > > On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 07:21:00AM -0700, William R. Dickson > wrote: > On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 blurr at txraves.org wrote: > > > > > i second this. i wish people had the ability to sub/unsub without > > > using a password. > > > > > > > > I vote to have the password facilities in Mailman toned down. I > > > > would like them removed but at least to make this optional. > > > > That kind of opens subscriptions up to mischief, doesn't it? Or do you > > propose going to an entirely confirmation-mail method of ensuring people > > aren't subscribed/unsubscribed without their consent? > > > > -Bill > > > > > > -- > > William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 > > wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) > > > > My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but Mrs. Spade > > didn't raise any children dippy enough to make guesses in front > > of a district attorney, and an assistant district attorney, and a > > stenographer. > > -Sam Spade > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder Chief Geek SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-7733 x123 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 Publishers of Linux Journal ----------------------------------------------------------------- From kambiz at redhat.com Mon Aug 7 19:58:01 2000 From: kambiz at redhat.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:58:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: New Mailing Lists References: <398AC98F.91BD6CF4@redhat.com> Message-ID: <398EF8A9.81857116@redhat.com> Kenneth Jacker wrote: > > kambiz> Damn! I'll have to look into it. Sorry for the trouble. > > Well, the MIME change didn't help me, though apparently others are > happy. Can't you just use a "standard" digest format? Most digests I > receive can be "split" with a simple C-d ... > > Hoping I don't have to unsubscribe to the redhat list, > > -Kenneth Hmmm... What is the mail client that you're using? I've included mailman-users at python.org on this email to see if anyone else has an idea. Folks, we moved our lists off of smart-list over to Mailman and now the digest appears in a different format (non-standard). I've changed the archive option to attach each message as a MIME attachment. But Kenneth is still having problems. Any ideas? Kambiz -- \o__O o Kambiz Aghaiepour, RHCE - Phone: (919) 524-7423 o o \_ /|\ -= Red Hat, Inc. =- |\| Pager: (800) 946-4646 //\ //\ |\ |\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | Pager Pin #: 1412622 // // / / |/ mailto:kambiz at redhat.com | http://www.redhat.com |\ || From secabeen at pobox.com Mon Aug 7 20:59:46 2000 From: secabeen at pobox.com (Ted Cabeen) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:59:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:40:03 PDT." Message-ID: <200008071859.NAA00230@entropy.uchicago.edu> In message , Derek Simkowiak writes: > Passwords are only there to reduce abuse of people >subscribing/unsubscribing others without consent. Since that's never been >a problem on my lists, I would like to turn it off (and have a >subscription policy that does not require a confirmation). Open subscriptions is easy. There's a setting in Defaults.py that will enable open subscriptions. When you enable them, an open radio button will appear in the confirmation/approval section. -- Ted Cabeen http://www.pobox.com/~secabeen secabeen at pobox.com Check Website or Keyserver for PGP/GPG Key BA0349D2 secabeen at uchicago.edu "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -F. Bacon secabeen at cabeen.org "Human kind cannot bear very much reality."-T.S.Eliot cabeen at netcom.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 0 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000807/5c8893c3/attachment.pgp From richardk at pobox.com Mon Aug 7 21:19:56 2000 From: richardk at pobox.com (Richard Noboru Kekahuna) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:19:56 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords In-Reply-To: <20000807103924.C8906@ssc.com> Message-ID: <001301c000a4$7940cba0$4ed4efd1@test> > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Wilder > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 10:39 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] A Vote Against Passwords > > We don't feel that we need passwords. We believe that the overhead > associated is more than our list subscribers desire. And we aren't > eager to send out a few tens of thousands of password reminders each > month. We don't think our subscribers will be appreciative of that, > in the least. I am also considering migrating to MailMan from ListBot. (Currently one 50 person list already on mailman and a couple with tens of thousands waiting to migrate somewhere) It is possible to turn off password reminders from the admin interface, though you'll still get questions from users who don't RTEM. I haven't been on any lists where people were trying to unsubscribe each other in some sort of unsubscribe warfare... Is it possible to unsubscribe via email without using password? Passwords, etc. are great for us techies but confuse the heck out of normal people :) I'm on the frontlines of having to field really simple questions from users, most people would just ignore the password and email us directly with admin requests. Ideally I'd love something as simple as a form box on a webpage with "Enter Email Address" and "Subscribe, Configure, Unsubscribe" radio buttons, together with an email option to do same. (Confirm before subscribe, of course, for spam prevention) Passwords of course for those who want to configure their option, but otherwise for subscribe just a simple confirm email is enough for spam prevention, and I don't think passwords should be mandatory just for unsub. I am trying to wean us into a Linux solution as much as possible :D I want to show people at work stuff like Linux, Python, MM, and demonstrate how efficient, robust, and just plain cool they are. PS to MM crew: Great job on the program, I love it so far :) From darryl at igor.penguinpowered.com Mon Aug 7 22:27:09 2000 From: darryl at igor.penguinpowered.com (darryl at igor.penguinpowered.com) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix setup Message-ID: Ok. I follows the INSTALL advice about setting up the seperate mailman aliases file, but postfix is still complaining about mailman when I send mail to my test list: Aug 7 12:36:45 congo postfix/local[25998]: fatal: unsupported dictionary type: mailman Aug 7 12:36:45 congo postfix/local[25998]: fatal: unsupported dictionary type: mailman Aug 7 12:36:46 congo postfix/qmgr[25492]: warning: mail_scan_any: got EOF; expected: string Aug 7 12:36:46 congo postfix/qmgr[25492]: warning: mail_scan_any: got EOF; expected: string Aug 7 12:36:46 congo postfix/qmgr[25492]: warning: private/local: malformed response Aug 7 12:36:46 congo postfix/qmgr[25492]: warning: private/local: malformed response Aug 7 12:36:46 congo postfix/master[556]: warning: process /usr/libexec/postfix/local pid 25998 exit status 1 Aug 7 12:36:46 congo postfix/master[556]: warning: process /usr/libexec/postfix/local pid 25998 exit status 1 Aug 7 12:36:46 congo postfix/master[556]: warning: /usr/libexec/postfix/local: bad command startup -- throttling Anyone offer me a clue? From khj at cs.appstate.edu Mon Aug 7 22:37:21 2000 From: khj at cs.appstate.edu (Kenneth Jacker) Date: 07 Aug 2000 16:37:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: New Mailing Lists In-Reply-To: Kambiz Aghaiepour's message of "Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:58:01 -0400" References: <398AC98F.91BD6CF4@redhat.com> <398EF8A9.81857116@redhat.com> Message-ID: kambiz> Hmmm... What is the mail client that you're using? I've kambiz> included mailman-users at python.org on this email to see if kambiz> anyone else has an idea. Gnus v5.8.2 kambiz> Folks, we moved our lists off of smart-list over to Mailman kambiz> and now the digest appears in a different format kambiz> (non-standard). I've changed the archive option to attach kambiz> each message as a MIME attachment. But Kenneth is still kambiz> having problems. Any ideas? Though I, also, used the expression "non-standard digest", I'm not sure that's really accurate. What I *do* know about 'gnus' is that support is built-in for maybe 8 or 10 different digest formats. Most digested lists can be "broken apart" by simply entering C-d (-d). Some lists, however, like the MySQL digest don't work properly either. IIRC, the RH digest stopped coming. Before they stopped, the gnus C-d command worked fine. Then, when the digests began arriving again, gnus stopped working with the new format. Thanks Kambiz for being so responsive to this issue! -- Prof Kenneth H Jacker khj at cs.appstate.edu Computer Science Dept www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj Appalachian State Univ Boone, NC 28608 USA From mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net Mon Aug 7 22:48:35 2000 From: mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net (Matthew Dharm) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0b5 problem with newlist? Message-ID: <20000807134835.I19255@one-eyed-alien.net> I think I've found a bug in newlist... is anyone else seeing this? Basically, what's happening is that I run newlist to create the list. THe list creates fine, and it set up just perfectly. However, the mail that it sent out to the listowner has the URLS wrong. Basically, what's wrong with the URL is that a slash ('/') is missing between the base URL for the mailman CGI directory (/mailman on my web server) and the scriptname. I suspect a bug in the GetScriptURL subroutine. Now, interestingly enough, after playing around with the list_list script and having it print out the results of mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1) -- which is exactly what newlist uses to get the URL that it mails out -- it works perfectly. So now I'm really confused as to what's wrong. Anyone have any ideas? Please CC me, as I'm not on the list. Matt Dharm -- Matthew Dharm Home: mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net Senior Engineer, QCP Inc. Work: mdharm at qcpi.com What, are you one of those Microsoft-bashing Linux freaks? -- Customer to Greg User Friendly, 2/10/1999 From dmick at cypress.west.sun.com Mon Aug 7 23:02:11 2000 From: dmick at cypress.west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0b5 problem with newlist? Message-ID: <200008072101.OAA08073@utopia.west.sun.com> Make sure your 'base URL' has a trailing slash. (Barry just added code to help with this, I think after beta5 released, but I'm having a hard time getting CVS to behave to check dates.) > I think I've found a bug in newlist... is anyone else seeing this? > > Basically, what's happening is that I run newlist to create the list. THe > list creates fine, and it set up just perfectly. However, the mail that it > sent out to the listowner has the URLS wrong. > > Basically, what's wrong with the URL is that a slash ('/') is missing > between the base URL for the mailman CGI directory (/mailman on my web > server) and the scriptname. > > I suspect a bug in the GetScriptURL subroutine. > > Now, interestingly enough, after playing around with the list_list script > and having it print out the results of mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', > absolute=1) -- which is exactly what newlist uses to get the URL that it > mails out -- it works perfectly. So now I'm really confused as to what's > wrong. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Please CC me, as I'm not on the list. > > Matt Dharm > > -- > Matthew Dharm Home: mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net > Senior Engineer, QCP Inc. Work: mdharm at qcpi.com > > What, are you one of those Microsoft-bashing Linux freaks? > -- Customer to Greg > User Friendly, 2/10/1999 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From saska at noogie.com Mon Aug 7 23:05:15 2000 From: saska at noogie.com (Sheryl Weidner) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] archiving stopped w/no logged errors - why? Message-ID: Hello list, My vitals: RedHat Linux 6.1 Sendmail 8 Python 1.5.2 Apache 1.3.12, RavenSSL 1.4.3 Mailman 2.0b2 (with one public unmoderated, one public moderated, and one private unmoderated list running) A while back I ran into the issue of the archiver not working because I had attempted to set it to use the "when-resent" time stamp rather than the "when sent" date setting. Thanks to you folks, I got archiving working on that particular list. Now I am seeing similar behavior on a new list, where archiving DID work for the first five or six messages. Messages from 8/3 through 8/6 archived without difficulty and appear to be showing up when I visit the archive pages. The only substantial difference between my working list archives and this non-working list is that the non-working list is private, as are the archives. However, this has always been the case - including when the first few messages archived correctly. The list last archived (according to the footer on the web page) on Saturday (8/5). No new files have been created, either in the HTML or in the archives/private/listname directory, after that date - although the Week-of-Mon-20000800 directory, the index.html file, and the pipermail.pck file in the archives/private/listname directory all have timestamps from today. Since Saturday, there have been five or six postings to the list, and I have received my batched digest messages accordingly. There is only one entry in the error log for mailman after that date, and the error relates to an ongoing (and presumably unrelated) issue I have with using SSL to access the mailman administration pages. All other functions - individual postings, administrative functions, digest batching and delivery - are working without a hitch. It is my intention to upgrade to 2.0b5 this evening, but I didn't want to exacerbate whatever problem I might be having already, so I thought I'd toss this out and see if y'all might know what I'm up against. I've read through the recent archives of the mailman-users list as well, so if you want to direct me to someone's previous posting, providing a subject would be very helpful (seeing as how those archives aren't searchable!). Thanks in advance! Sheryl From mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net Tue Aug 8 00:36:42 2000 From: mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net (Matthew Dharm) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:36:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 2.0b5 problem with newlist? In-Reply-To: <200008072101.OAA08073@utopia.west.sun.com>; from dmick@cypress.west.sun.com on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 02:02:11PM -0700 References: <200008072101.OAA08073@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000807153642.J19255@one-eyed-alien.net> Hrm... I'm not an expert, but it looks to me like if I do that, I run the risk of damaging other places which use the ScriptURL procedure... all others seem to work just fine. The odd thing I noticed about this is that doing a print mmlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1) In list_lists (inside the output loop) resulted in the _correct_ absolute URL being displayed, under the exact same configuration with the exact same mm_cfg.py Matt On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 02:02:11PM -0700, Dan Mick wrote: > Make sure your 'base URL' has a trailing slash. (Barry just > added code to help with this, I think after beta5 released, > but I'm having a hard time getting CVS to behave to check dates.) > > > I think I've found a bug in newlist... is anyone else seeing this? > > > > Basically, what's happening is that I run newlist to create the list. THe > > list creates fine, and it set up just perfectly. However, the mail that it > > sent out to the listowner has the URLS wrong. > > > > Basically, what's wrong with the URL is that a slash ('/') is missing > > between the base URL for the mailman CGI directory (/mailman on my web > > server) and the scriptname. > > > > I suspect a bug in the GetScriptURL subroutine. > > > > Now, interestingly enough, after playing around with the list_list script > > and having it print out the results of mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', > > absolute=1) -- which is exactly what newlist uses to get the URL that it > > mails out -- it works perfectly. So now I'm really confused as to what's > > wrong. > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > > Please CC me, as I'm not on the list. > > > > Matt Dharm > > > > -- > > Matthew Dharm Home: mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net > > Senior Engineer, QCP Inc. Work: mdharm at qcpi.com > > > > What, are you one of those Microsoft-bashing Linux freaks? > > -- Customer to Greg > > User Friendly, 2/10/1999 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- Matthew Dharm Home: mdharm at one-eyed-alien.net Senior Engineer, QCP Inc. Work: mdharm at qcpi.com Umm, these aren't the droids you're looking for. -- Bill Gates User Friendly, 11/14/1998 From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Aug 8 00:57:12 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:57:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems to restore mailman lists from backup tape In-Reply-To: <398EA022.6D7B5057@iki.fi>; from santila@iki.fi on Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 02:40:18PM +0300 References: <398EA022.6D7B5057@iki.fi> Message-ID: <20000808075712.A10888@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 02:40:18PM +0300, Sampo Antila wrote: > Admin password didn't match. I also copied .../mailman/data/adm.pw from > backup tape to new server, but that didn't help anyting. You can always create a new site administrative password with the bin/mmsitepass program. > What is correct way to restore those lists to our server? > Our old mailman was some old version than this new one. Did you try 'make update'? (See 'UPGRADING' in the Mailman source directory.) It attempts to update the list configuration files to the current version. > New one is 2.0beta2, our server is Redhat 6.2 and we have python 1.5.2. I would recommend getting a newer version of Mailman. 2.0beta5 is available from ftp.gnu.org:/gnu/mailman/ and Gnu software mirrors around the world -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From otaylor at redhat.com Tue Aug 8 15:41:34 2000 From: otaylor at redhat.com (Owen Taylor) Date: 08 Aug 2000 09:41:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Postfix setup In-Reply-To: 's message of "Mon, 7 Aug 2000 13:27:09 -0700 (PDT)" References: Message-ID: writes: > Ok. I follows the INSTALL advice about setting up the seperate mailman > aliases file, but postfix is still complaining about mailman when I send > mail to my test list: > > Aug 7 12:36:45 congo postfix/local[25998]: fatal: unsupported dictionary > type: mailman > Aug 7 12:36:45 congo postfix/local[25998]: fatal: unsupported dictionary > type: mailman Looks like you have some an in your postfix configuration file. The alias_database line in your main.cf should look something like: alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases,hash:/home/mailman/aliases Regards, Owen From ace at suares.com Tue Aug 8 22:32:41 2000 From: ace at suares.com (Ace Suares) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 22:32:41 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Date header is missing Message-ID: <39908A89.28296.D959C8@localhost> Hi, I am using qmail 1.03 with the LDAP patches - and those work fine as far as I can see - but when I use mailman 2 beta 5, the Date is missing from all mails that are sent out by mailman. I changed the delivery method from SMTPDirect to Sendmail (sendmail is a link to qmail on my system) and the Date headers have reappaeard. anybody with a similar problem, or solution !? Greetings, Ace | Ace Suares, Internet Consultancy and Training | Keizersgracht 132, 1015 CW AMSTERDAM, NL | phone: 06 557 06 554 (+31 6 557 06 554) | fax: 020 870 770 5 (+31 20 870 770 5) | mailto:ace at suares.com PGP Key idea: 0x39B81FE5 | http://www.suares.com From adrian.joseph at guardian.co.uk Wed Aug 9 09:59:23 2000 From: adrian.joseph at guardian.co.uk (Adrian Joseph) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 08:59:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge problem (in my opinion) with large lists... References: Message-ID: <39910F5B.95A45AFD@guardian.co.uk> We manage some very large lists with Mailman (v 1.1 currently), about 260,000 subscribers, and one problem (well issue really) is that the python processes can take so long to perform a member related options that apache times out. So I've had to configure apache to allow a timeout of 1200. It may be that you are experiencing a similar problem, or it may not. Hope that helps. Have fun Adrian Chris Snyder wrote: > > On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Micah wrote: > > > > >Having a similar related problem here - our list has 5,500 people > >subscribed, and it is a moderated list. When something is posted that > >should go to the list, I go to the tend to pending administrative tasks, > >approve the message, click on submit and then wait for 5 minutes, only to > >get an error saying the document contains no data, the message doesn't get > >sent out and is still part of the tend to administrative requests queue. > > > >We desperately need to send these messages out, but we can't! > > > > I've seen that too, I believe it was Netscape's browser (in my case) running > out of memory as it POST'd the information back to the server. > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From lijin at myweb.com.cn Wed Aug 9 11:44:18 2000 From: lijin at myweb.com.cn (li jin) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:44:18 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] hi Message-ID: <003f01c001e6$7341c590$67a0a8c0@myweb.com.cn> Have I been a member ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000809/d6f2d286/attachment.html From tmh at magenta-logic.com Wed Aug 9 13:10:24 2000 From: tmh at magenta-logic.com (Tony Hoyle) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:10:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list Message-ID: <39913C20.FF773CF5@magenta-logic.com> I have just re-installed our local mailserver, and switched distributions to debian. Previously I had mailman at /home/mailman, but debian installs it at /var/lib/mailman. I copied the list data across and changed any text files with absolute paths (the .lock files). However I've found the list path is coded into the config.db, which is binary. Is there a script available which will change this? Tony From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Aug 9 13:32:56 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:32:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list In-Reply-To: <39913C20.FF773CF5@magenta-logic.com>; from tmh@magenta-logic.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:10:24PM +0100 References: <39913C20.FF773CF5@magenta-logic.com> Message-ID: <20000809203256.A18170@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:10:24PM +0100, Tony Hoyle wrote: > However I've found the list path is coded into the config.db, > which is binary. Is there a script available which will > change this? bin/move_list will update the three pointers to the archives that are embedded in config.db. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From tmh at magenta-logic.com Wed Aug 9 14:11:54 2000 From: tmh at magenta-logic.com (Tony Hoyle) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:11:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list References: <39913C20.FF773CF5@magenta-logic.com> <20000809203256.A18170@mail.dskk.co.jp> Message-ID: <39914A8A.1A574A49@magenta-logic.com> Jim Tittsler wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:10:24PM +0100, Tony Hoyle wrote: > > However I've found the list path is coded into the config.db, > > which is binary. Is there a script available which will > > change this? > > bin/move_list will update the three pointers to the archives that > are embedded in config.db. > I don't have this file. Where can I download it? Tony From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Aug 9 14:36:36 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:36:36 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list In-Reply-To: <39914A8A.1A574A49@magenta-logic.com>; from tmh@magenta-logic.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 01:11:54PM +0100 References: <39913C20.FF773CF5@magenta-logic.com> <20000809203256.A18170@mail.dskk.co.jp> <39914A8A.1A574A49@magenta-logic.com> Message-ID: <20000809213636.C18170@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 01:11:54PM +0100, Tony Hoyle wrote: > I don't have this file. Where can I download it? I believe it has been included with Mailman since 2.0beta2, so I would encourage you to update to a newer version of Mailman. You can pull individual files out of the SourceForge CVS using their web interface, but if you have an older Mailman, the MailList interface may have changed. http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/mailman/bin/move_list?rev=1.5&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=mailman Jim From blovett at bsdguru.com Wed Aug 9 15:40:44 2000 From: blovett at bsdguru.com (Ben Lovett) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:40:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in cron/nightly_gzip ? Message-ID: <20000809064044.B15902@bsdguru.com> Hello, I received the following message from my machine, and, not being a python guru myself, I can not even try to dig into what is happening here. Could somebody give me some insight as to what is happening, and how I may go about fixing it? Thank you ;) -Ben -=- Begin error message -=- Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 143, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt') AttributeError: strptime -=- End error message -=- From kenn.martin at domino-uk.com Wed Aug 9 16:38:02 2000 From: kenn.martin at domino-uk.com (Martin, Kenn) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:38:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove unwanted articles Message-ID: I'm sure it's been asked before but I can't find where. How can I remove some articles that have been posted to a list and saved in the archive. Kenn ********************************************************************** This Email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this Email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this Email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper and Norton Anti-Virus for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** VISIT OUR WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.DOMINO-PRINTING.COM/ ********************************************************************** From tmh at magenta-logic.com Wed Aug 9 17:17:13 2000 From: tmh at magenta-logic.com (Tony Hoyle) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:17:13 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list References: <39913C20.FF773CF5@magenta-logic.com> <20000809203256.A18170@mail.dskk.co.jp> <39914A8A.1A574A49@magenta-logic.com> <20000809213636.C18170@mail.dskk.co.jp> Message-ID: <399175F9.7083AAC6@magenta-logic.com> Jim Tittsler wrote: > You can pull individual files out of the SourceForge CVS using > their web interface, but if you have an older Mailman, the > MailList interface may have changed. Thanks... I got a copy of the script and it works now. Tony From apps_adm at puny.vm.com Wed Aug 9 17:59:06 2000 From: apps_adm at puny.vm.com (John van V) Date: 9 Aug 2000 15:59:06 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan ~was~ running, now broken, Help !! Message-ID: <20000809155906.6095.qmail@puny.vm.com> Hello all, I set up my GNU/MailMan about a month ago and got a few lists running. Now that I have a few developers on board for my GNU/Portal, including rms at gnu.org ( how could you GNU/Tell ?? ;) and I was really eager to set up the lists. By way of background, I am running thru qmail and I just tested the aliases using "|preline cat > /tmp/foo.txt" which worked ok. Also I asked my folks to look for security holes, some were a little more agressive/intrusive than others... I saw stuff called "lockfiles" and was tempted to try to remove them, but I figured I'd better ask first. Symptoms: I have "subscription pending" in the logs but nothing else. I get the first confirm message but the reply doesnt work, at first it was bounce but now I have the aliases in the correct directories. At the moment nothing happens when I send in the reply, no bounce. Since I am starting new pub/domain developers and I would really like to let others rotate the responsibilities, I would like to change ownership permissions from root to mailman. Can I just do a chmod/chown ?? TIA, John From apps_adm at puny.vm.com Wed Aug 9 18:16:56 2000 From: apps_adm at puny.vm.com (John van V) Date: 9 Aug 2000 16:16:56 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: MailMan ~was~ running, now broken, Help !! (second send) Message-ID: <20000809161656.6257.qmail@puny.vm.com> Hello all, I set up my GNU/MailMan about a month ago and got a few lists running. Now that I have a few developers on board for my GNU/Portal, including rms at gnu.org ( how could you GNU/Tell ?? ;) and I was really eager to set up the lists. By way of background, I am running thru qmail and I just tested the aliases using "|preline cat > /tmp/foo.txt" which worked ok. Also I asked my folks to look for security holes, some were a little more agressive/intrusive than others... I saw stuff called "lockfiles" and was tempted to try to remove them, but I figured I'd better ask first. Symptoms: I have "subscription pending" in the logs but nothing else. I get the first confirm message but the reply doesnt work, at first it was bounce but now I have the aliases in the correct directories. At the moment nothing happens when I send in the reply, no bounce. Since I am starting new pub/domain developers and I would really like to let others rotate the responsibilities, I would like to change ownership permissions from root to mailman. Can I just do a chmod/chown ?? TIA, John From pjh at mccc.edu Wed Aug 9 19:35:55 2000 From: pjh at mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Messages and Errors Message-ID: Every month, I get back a bunch of error messages because of bad addresses or "no such user". The message identifies the user, but the mailman list in it is usually incorrect. Is anyone thinking of a fix? Thanks, Pete From jwt at OnJapan.net Wed Aug 9 15:57:26 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:57:26 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors in cron/nightly_gzip ? In-Reply-To: <20000809064044.B15902@bsdguru.com>; from blovett@bsdguru.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 06:40:44AM -0700 References: <20000809064044.B15902@bsdguru.com> Message-ID: <20000809225726.A18662@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 06:40:44AM -0700, Ben Lovett wrote: > Hello, I received the following message from my machine, and, not being a > python guru myself, I can not even try to dig into what is happening here. > Could somebody give me some insight as to what is happening, and how I may > go about fixing it? Guessing from your Email address, you may be running on BSD, which I don't believe supports strptime().... and you are running an older Mailman that used it to decide which files to gzip up. You might install a newer Mailman that has fixed this, or patch your nightly_gzip to not use strptime(): 113,115c118 < try: < time.strptime(f, '%Y-%B.txt') < except ValueError: --- > if f[-4:] <> '.txt': -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From rbrosnahan at xperts.com Wed Aug 9 21:05:55 2000 From: rbrosnahan at xperts.com (Brosnahan, Richard) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:05:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search engine? In-Reply-To: <200008021533.e72FXMt24784@xerxes.courtesan.com> Message-ID: I thought I'd seen this before, but I can't find it in the archives. Which is actually my question. I've got mailing lists set up and used MHonArc to do the archiving, but what do I used for searching archives? thanks in advance Richard Brosnahan Xperts, Inc From bscheel at miralink.com Wed Aug 9 21:08:14 2000 From: bscheel at miralink.com (Bill Scheel) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:08:14 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000809.19081400@Corona.Miralink.com> I had mailman running under postfix.... nmo sendmail gives me problems... any ideas Aug 9 12:58:30 Postal smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper post mis Aug 9 12:58:30 Postal sendmail[29473]: e79IwUc29473: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mis", ctladdr= (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30021, dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable From wrd at awenet.com Wed Aug 9 21:25:00 2000 From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending attachments through 2.0b lists Message-ID: Hi all, I've got some lists running under both 2.0b4 and 2.0b5. It seems small attachments can go through just fine, but larger ones (about 40K) get hung up in the queue and have to be cleared from it manually. I've tried eliminating the message size restriction with no effect. Anybody else seeing this behavior? Thanks, -Bill -- William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. - Chapman Cohen From apps_adm at puny.vm.com Thu Aug 10 00:17:27 2000 From: apps_adm at puny.vm.com (John van V) Date: 9 Aug 2000 22:17:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OK, back and running... how do I add_users via batch files Message-ID: <20000809221727.15758.qmail@puny.vm.com> Hi, the add_members only works w/ a tty, how to do I add them with a batch file. I am trying to create a single sign-on system for shell accounts, mail services and mailing lists. I would also like to be able to create a cgi allowing users to create their own mailing lists. It would have to be Suid mailman, which I am loath to do, but egroups, for instance makes all their money doing that. This qmail script works, but must be run as root. In batch I would have to write an expect script, something I have not done for a year but that language kinda rocks. ############################ #!/bin/sh usage_fxn(){ echo 'newlist ' exit } [ "$1" = 'usage' ] && usage_fxn [ $# != 1 ] && usage_fxn su - mailman -c " /home/mailman/bin/newlist $1 " set -x cd ~qmaild/alias pwd if [ $# = 1 ]; then i=$1 echo Making links to $i... echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post $i" > .qmail-$i echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-admin echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-owner-$i echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $i" > .qmail-$i-request fi cd - ###################### From apps_adm at puny.vm.com Thu Aug 10 00:36:22 2000 From: apps_adm at puny.vm.com (John van V) Date: 9 Aug 2000 22:36:22 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Passwds in Bulk Loading ?? Message-ID: <20000809223622.16568.qmail@puny.vm.com> I have passwds for my users, from their login, is it possible to add them along with subscriptions. Also, what kind of database is being used ?? My understanding is that Python is still to new to have DBI interfaces like perl... is that true ?? From dmick at cypress.west.sun.com Thu Aug 10 01:00:53 2000 From: dmick at cypress.west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] OK, back and running... how do I add_users via batch files Message-ID: <200008092259.PAA26296@utopia.west.sun.com> > Hi, the add_members only works w/ a tty, how to do I add them with a batch file. What makes you say that? It works fine if you give it arguments. I'll bet if you read the script you will be enlightened. From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu Aug 10 01:21:22 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:21:22 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to remove unwanted articles In-Reply-To: ; from kenn.martin@domino-uk.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 03:38:02PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20000810082122.A20354@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 03:38:02PM +0100, Martin, Kenn wrote: > How can I remove some articles that have been posted to a list and saved in > the archive. You can remove the articles from the archives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox file and then run bin/arch to regenerate the archives for that list. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From lra at insite.com.br Thu Aug 10 01:37:07 2000 From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:37:07 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] User Passwds in Bulk Loading ?? In-Reply-To: <20000809223622.16568.qmail@puny.vm.com> Message-ID: Hi, On 9 Aug 2000, John van V wrote: > [...] > > Also, what kind of database is being used ?? My understanding is that > Python is still to new to have DBI interfaces like perl... is that > true ?? No, python has database interfaces of it own. There is even a whole database engine writen in python (with some C modules for speed), gadfly. But python keeps each list configuration in a python marshal, which is one of the many ways python has to freeze objects in memory to disk. If you know some python you can use the 'withlist' script to play directly with the fields of the list configuration. It's a good way to do complex scripted alterations on lists. Regards, Leo From claw at nuron.com Thu Aug 10 02:37:59 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:37:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search engine? In-Reply-To: Message from "Brosnahan, Richard" of "Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:05:55 -0400." References: Message-ID: <6218.965867879@nuron.com> On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:05:55 -0400 Brosnahan, Richard wrote: > I've got mailing lists set up and used MHonArc to do the > archiving, but what do I used for searching archives? There are many possible tools to choose from. I like and use UdmSearch. Others use HT//dig, Wilma, Marc-Search, etc. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From marticus at louisville.edu Wed Aug 9 16:00:49 2000 From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek E Mart) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:00:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending administrivia Message-ID: <20000809100049.A10949@marticus.louisville.edu> Greetings! I have been using mailman for some time now and I enjoy the many cool features it provides. I recently moved my mailing lists to this new mail server and everything seems to be working ok, however, this one thing is bugging me. When I tested the subscription approval function I noticed the request in the pending section but I never got the message from list-owner like I had been getting before. I checked the cue directory and sure enough, those messages are still sitting there. What is really strange (to me) is that I and other admins are getting the subscribe notices. I would have checked the archives for a solution but there is no search feature, maybe this is something to think about adding? :) Anyway, I had hoped someone here might have an answer for me or perhaps a link to the place in the archives that has the answer I need. Cheers! -- Derek E. Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering Project - http://www.marticus.org/ PGP Key Fingerprint = AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14 B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67 From dlw at trailingedge.com Thu Aug 10 05:30:53 2000 From: dlw at trailingedge.com (David Williams) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:30:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman work with virtual email domains? Message-ID: <3991DB9D.23193.DC4B24@localhost> I've just started playing around with Mailman and set it up on RH6.2. I have a virtual domain I run off the box and would like to set up some mailing lists to use from this virtual domain and others from the regular domain. When I try to post to a list on the virtual domain, I get: Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?) It works fine with a list on the regular domain. Can Mailman work in this type of environment? Does anyone have an idea how the virtual email domains work and where it's getting its group id from? Thanks. ----- David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw at trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com From marticus at louisville.edu Thu Aug 10 03:15:48 2000 From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek E Mart) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 21:15:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending administrivia In-Reply-To: <20000810093116.N13394@kira.mcc.ac.uk> References: <20000809100049.A10949@marticus.louisville.edu> <20000810093116.N13394@kira.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20000809211548.A15179@marticus.louisville.edu> * Mike Richardson (doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk) [000809 16:33]: > bouncing the message. The simple solution was to register mailman at man.ac.uk > (and variations) in our alias tables and all was happy after that. Thanks Mike, I will look into this. Btw, I just got spammed from someone using this list... -- Derek E. Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering Project - http://www.marticus.org/ PGP Key Fingerprint = AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14 B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67 From marticus at louisville.edu Thu Aug 10 16:42:27 2000 From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek E Mart) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:42:27 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman not sending administrivia In-Reply-To: <20000810093116.N13394@kira.mcc.ac.uk> References: <20000809100049.A10949@marticus.louisville.edu> <20000810093116.N13394@kira.mcc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20000810104227.A296@marticus.louisville.edu> * Mike Richardson (doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk) [000809 16:33]: > bouncing the message. The simple solution was to register mailman at man.ac.uk > (and variations) in our alias tables and all was happy after that. Well it might have been a combination of the following: 1) some fool screwed up the MX record for the mail server (it was pointing to a CNAME (domain alias) probably thinking it was not an alias. 2) some fool compiled mailman with gid 0 (root) instead of gid 2 (daemon) 3) some fool didn't have xntpd running on the server so it was a day behind in times. That same fool had to restart the server to make certain everything was in order. You can only guess who the fool was :) Thanks for the info, Mike! -- Derek E. Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering Project - http://www.marticus.org/ PGP Key Fingerprint = AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14 B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67 From ks_touray at fanafana.com Thu Aug 10 20:32:46 2000 From: ks_touray at fanafana.com (Katim S. Touray) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:32:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Gatewaying to a newsgroup Message-ID: <3992F54E.F1B64E9B@fanafana.com> Hi there, Has anyone been able to gateway and mailing list to a newsgroup? If so, I'd appreciate info about a publicly accessible newsgroup server you would like to recommend. Thanks in advance. Katim ks_touray at fanafana.com From apps_adm at puny.vm.com Thu Aug 10 21:01:27 2000 From: apps_adm at puny.vm.com (John van V) Date: 10 Aug 2000 19:01:27 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search engine? Message-ID: <20000810190127.28372.qmail@puny.vm.com> I'm using this shell cgi to search perl plain ole docs, I grep thru text files and then href to html versions. Since mail is ~supposed~ to be text, you can even eliminate one step. The key to searching different directories is the find statement, not used here. Great intra-net-warz... But, the `eval` section has most people thinking I'm crazy, so please check the perl meta-eliminator... and email me if you can crack it ;) #!/bin/bash echo Content-type: text/html echo echo "" echo "" echo "" ; echo " "; cd /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/pod QUERY_STRING=`echo $QUERY_STRING | perl -ne 's/(\;|exec|\\\|\\\`|\>|\!|\\||\&|\(|\)|\\\$|\{|\[)//g; print '` eval $QUERY_STRING echo "

Search:


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" done for i in $x do echo $i done echo "
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" echo "" echo "" From apps_adm at puny.vm.com Thu Aug 10 21:04:13 2000 From: apps_adm at puny.vm.com (John van V) Date: 10 Aug 2000 19:04:13 -0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail quesion about mailman alias... Message-ID: <20000810190413.28394.qmail@puny.vm.com> I'm loath to get back onto the qmail list, internet mail is no stroll in the park but qmail does help. Basically, I cant forward with a mailman alias, the others work just fine. Only clue, the others dont have accounts on the machine, is this the reason ?? From wrd at awenet.com Thu Aug 10 21:06:15 2000 From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] More about my attachment problems Message-ID: Hi all, So, this problem with messages with attachments in 2.0b4 and b5 is completely reproducible. Every message with an attachment larger than about 40K hangs the list -- files get added to the qfiles directory, but they get backed up behind the stuck message. Until I manually remove the messages from the qfiles directory and delete the lock files, I get the following error in the qrunner log: Aug 10 11:51:00 2000 (70047) qrunner begining Aug 10 11:52:00 2000 (70116) qrunner begining Aug 10 11:52:02 2000 (70116) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 10 11:52:02 2000 (70116) qrunner ended Aug 10 11:53:00 2000 (70167) qrunner begining Aug 10 11:53:01 2000 (70167) Could not acquire qrunner lock Aug 10 11:53:01 2000 (70167) qrunner ended Eventually, I have to move the files into the qfiles directory one at a time, weeding out the culprits by hand. Anybody else seeing this behavior? Any suggestions on solving it? Thanks, -Bill -- William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) If we are going to teach 'creation science' as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the stork theory as an alternative to biological reproduction. - Judith Hayes From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Aug 10 21:20:05 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:20:05 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Qmail quesion about mailman alias... References: <20000810190413.28394.qmail@puny.vm.com> Message-ID: <39930065.20A1DCFB@west.sun.com> John van V wrote: > > I'm loath to get back onto the qmail list, internet mail is no stroll in the park but qmail does help. > > Basically, I cant forward with a mailman alias, the others work just fine. > > Only clue, the others dont have accounts on the machine, is this the reason ?? You'd think this would be a stupid question, but did you read README.QMAIL? From blurr at txraves.org Thu Aug 10 21:25:01 2000 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:25:01 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Messages and Errors References: Message-ID: <015601c00300$c9022c20$362518d0@jordan> same thing happens to me. i'm not really sure why there is a "List-ID" field in the header of the reminders because they are not "list specific". they are reminders for all the lists on the server for the sub'd email addy. what would be nice is if the bounce error message contained the reminder email so you could just look at that to see what lists the person is on for that server. ] jordan ] blurr at txraves.org ] http://www.txraves.org/ "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Holsberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Messages and Errors > Every month, I get back a bunch of error messages because > of bad addresses or "no such user". The message identifies > the user, but the mailman list in it is usually incorrect. > > Is anyone thinking of a fix? > > Thanks, > Pete > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From matthewf at orac.frost.net Thu Aug 10 22:13:20 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:13:20 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? Message-ID: <20000810211320.A87682@orac.frost.net> Sorry about the off topic post, but has anyone else been spammed with a message "Earn at Least $5,000/Week."? The kind soul that did it was thoughful enough to include References: headers to an email to this list (no prizes for guessing where he got the address from). Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "L BREAK into program, 10:3" From davidu at phreedom.net Thu Aug 10 22:27:13 2000 From: davidu at phreedom.net (davidu) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? In-Reply-To: <20000810211320.A87682@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: I never got spam, then, this week I started getting three four -- it seems this list is the problem -- is that possible? -davidu On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Matthew Frost wrote: > Sorry about the off topic post, but has anyone else been spammed with > a message "Earn at Least $5,000/Week."? > > The kind soul that did it was thoughful enough to include References: > headers to an email to this list (no prizes for guessing where he got > the address from). > > Regards, Matthew > > From matthewf at orac.frost.net Thu Aug 10 22:34:03 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:34:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? In-Reply-To: ; from davidu@phreedom.net on Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:27:13PM -0700 References: <20000810211320.A87682@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: <20000810213403.C87682@orac.frost.net> On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:27:13PM -0700, davidu wrote: > I never got spam, then, this week I started getting three four -- it seems > this list is the problem -- is that possible? Possible. But unusual. (I can't remember having my address lifted like this before). I only knew for sure that this one I received got my address from the list because of the References: header pointing at one of my previous posts. It also used my "Real" address (rather than the one I use in my .sig or usenet posts). Anyway, I've reported the user to his ISP, and hopefully they will deal with him as he's broken their Terms of Service. Normal serice now resumes... Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "0 OK, 0:1" From ncooler at nandomedia.com Thu Aug 10 22:38:48 2000 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:38:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? References: Message-ID: <399312D8.D14E84A1@nandomedia.com> I got this email too and I would be willing to bet that the person got your email by spidering the mailing list pages. --Neil davidu wrote: > > I never got spam, then, this week I started getting three four -- it seems > this list is the problem -- is that possible? > > -davidu > > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Matthew Frost wrote: > > > Sorry about the off topic post, but has anyone else been spammed with > > a message "Earn at Least $5,000/Week."? > > > > The kind soul that did it was thoughful enough to include References: > > headers to an email to this list (no prizes for guessing where he got > > the address from). > > > > Regards, Matthew > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From RYoung at eBuilt.com Thu Aug 10 22:43:26 2000 From: RYoung at eBuilt.com (Young, Roger) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments Message-ID: Is there a way to send attachments with Mailman? Roger Young Unix Admin eBuilt Inc. (949) 609-5409 From matthewf at orac.frost.net Thu Aug 10 22:45:36 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:45:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? In-Reply-To: <399312D8.D14E84A1@nandomedia.com>; from ncooler@nandomedia.com on Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:38:48PM -0400 References: <399312D8.D14E84A1@nandomedia.com> Message-ID: <20000810214536.D87682@orac.frost.net> On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:38:48PM -0400, Neil Cooler wrote: > I got this email too and I would be willing to bet that the person got > your email by spidering the mailing list pages. Look carefully at http://www.python.org/mailman/roster/mailman-users and you will find the spammer is a member of this mailing list... *wave* (You've posted to the list before, that's where he got your address)... Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "C Nonsense in BASIC, 10:1" From blovett at bsdguru.com Thu Aug 10 23:04:50 2000 From: blovett at bsdguru.com (Ben Lovett) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:04:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Confirming subscription sent to owner instead of list? Message-ID: <20000810140450.C213@bsdguru.com> Hello, I am once again having problems with Mailman. I am running v2.0b5 under FreeBSD. Here's the problem.. When a user tries to subscribe to the list using the web interface, they are sent a mail from Mailman. But, when they reply to confirm their subscription, instead of them being subscribed, I get the mail in my box, and nothing happens after that. I am running Mailman with Postfix snapshot 19991231.08. If anybody could help me with this, I would be most appreciative. If it means anything, I was trying to use Majordomo on this machine before switching to mailman. But, I removed all traces of majordomo from the postfix configuration, and from the system. Thanks in advance :) -Ben From blurr at txraves.org Thu Aug 10 22:39:49 2000 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:39:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? References: <20000810211320.A87682@orac.frost.net> <20000810213403.C87682@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: <01c101c0030b$21b09c80$362518d0@jordan> fyi, i got it too... ] jordan ] blurr at txraves.org ] http://www.txraves.org/ "a closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Frost" To: "davidu" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? > On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 01:27:13PM -0700, davidu wrote: > > I never got spam, then, this week I started getting three four -- it seems > > this list is the problem -- is that possible? > > Possible. But unusual. (I can't remember having my address lifted > like this before). > > I only knew for sure that this one I received got my address from the > list because of the References: header pointing at one of my previous > posts. It also used my "Real" address (rather than the one I use in > my .sig or usenet posts). > > Anyway, I've reported the user to his ISP, and hopefully they will > deal with him as he's broken their Terms of Service. > > Normal serice now resumes... > > Regards, Matthew > > -- > Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ > email: matthew at frost.org > > "0 OK, 0:1" > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at nuron.com Thu Aug 10 23:11:33 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:11:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments In-Reply-To: Message from "Young, Roger" of "Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:43:26 PDT." References: Message-ID: <23837.965941893@nuron.com> On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:43:26 -0700 Young, Roger wrote: > Is there a way to send attachments with Mailman? Mailman has nothing to do with attachments -- its simply a mail exploder at heart. If the incoming messages contains attachments, and no other aspect of the list configuration (such as post size limits or header field constraints) conflict with that post, it will be broadcast exactly as per any other list. Caveat: The automatic footer/signature that Mailman adds by default to outbound posts can interfere with and may break some MIME messages under some MUAs. Properly written MIME parsing software will not break as the footer falls out side of any MIME context (thus violating "be generous in what you accept and picky in what you output"). Its your choice whether to pander to badly written software or to turn off the footer (I leave it turned on). -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From marticus at louisville.edu Fri Aug 11 00:24:48 2000 From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek E Mart) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:24:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? In-Reply-To: <20000810214536.D87682@orac.frost.net> References: <399312D8.D14E84A1@nandomedia.com> <20000810214536.D87682@orac.frost.net> Message-ID: <20000810182448.A3393@marticus.louisville.edu> * Matthew Frost (matthewf at orac.frost.net) [000810 16:49]: > Look carefully at http://www.python.org/mailman/roster/mailman-users > and you will find the spammer is a member of this mailing list... Ok, and it's still there... is there any reason this person should remain on this list? -- Derek E. Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering Project - http://www.marticus.org/ PGP Key Fingerprint = AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14 B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67 From ncooler at nandomedia.com Thu Aug 10 22:58:24 2000 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:58:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? Message-ID: <002601c0032b$ac08aa60$02000003@kneel> Good thing I didn't bet the farm on it. --neil -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Frost To: Neil Cooler Cc: davidu ; mailman-users at python.org Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? >On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 04:38:48PM -0400, Neil Cooler wrote: >> I got this email too and I would be willing to bet that the person got >> your email by spidering the mailing list pages. > >Look carefully at http://www.python.org/mailman/roster/mailman-users >and you will find the spammer is a member of this mailing list... > >*wave* > >(You've posted to the list before, that's where he got your >address)... > >Regards, Matthew > >-- >Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ > email: matthew at frost.org > > "C Nonsense in BASIC, 10:1" > From leith12 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 11 16:24:33 2000 From: leith12 at hotmail.com (leith parkin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:24:33 LHST Subject: [Mailman-Users] wierd happenings Message-ID: Hi, Im running mailman 2beta5 and having strange problems. This is a bsd box which uses sendmail as the MTA. On adding new list members mailman can email welcome messages out, password reminiders etc. However when a post is made to a list, the email just disappears into the nether nether. It appears this happens with anything that requires sendmail to pipe data through the wrappers script. I have modified the aliases file etc. At first i thought it may be the sendmail smrsh stuff, so i created the wrapper symlink in /usr/libexec/sm.bin. I have tried launching the wrapper using the full path, the wrapper path, even using senmails smrsh -c wrapper but i still get nothing. Ideas? Leith Parkin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Aug 11 08:25:13 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] More about my attachment problems Message-ID: <200008110624.XAA18639@utopia.west.sun.com> > So, this problem with messages with attachments in 2.0b4 and b5 is > completely reproducible. Every message with an attachment larger than > about 40K hangs the list -- files get added to the qfiles directory, but > they get backed up behind the stuck message. > > Until I manually remove the messages from the qfiles directory and delete > the lock files, I get the following error in the qrunner log: > > Aug 10 11:51:00 2000 (70047) qrunner begining > Aug 10 11:52:00 2000 (70116) qrunner begining > Aug 10 11:52:02 2000 (70116) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Aug 10 11:52:02 2000 (70116) qrunner ended > Aug 10 11:53:00 2000 (70167) qrunner begining > Aug 10 11:53:01 2000 (70167) Could not acquire qrunner lock > Aug 10 11:53:01 2000 (70167) qrunner ended > > Eventually, I have to move the files into the qfiles directory one at a > time, weeding out the culprits by hand. > > Anybody else seeing this behavior? Any suggestions on solving it? BTW, this means there's a qrunner lock (meaning the system thinks there's still a qrunner process running). Is there (still a qrunner running at the time)? If so, what's it doing? Since you appear to have qrunner running every minute, is it possible that qrunner is just taking a *long* time to finish when you have a large mail message? Or is it dead? Are there messages in logs/error? From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Aug 11 08:23:14 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Different approach to monthly password reminders Message-ID: <200008110622.XAA18633@utopia.west.sun.com> Here is a hacked up 'mailpasswds' program that will 1) send one message per user per list 2) make that message contain only that list's password 3) make the message originate from the list's admin address 4) include the listname in the Subject header This seems to be along the lines of what some people expect from the monthly password reminders (instead of what they get). YMMV, and I haven't tested this with every possible list config. I also haven't yet changed any comments. If you'd like to experiment without actually sending messages, remove the '#' from '# print msg' (at the end of the function 'mail_passwords') and put a '# ' before HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg) right below it...i.e. switch # print msg HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg) to print msg # HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg) Then when you run 'python mailpasswds.new', you'll get all the messages it would have sent printed on stdout instead of actually sending the mail. Here's mailpasswds.new: #! /usr/bin/env python # # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. """Send password reminders for all lists to all users. Any arguments are taken as a list of addresses that become the focus - only the subscribers on the list are attended to, all other subscribers are ignored. In addition, if any addresses are specified, a line is printed for each list where that address is found. (Otherwise operation is silent.) We accumulate users and their passwords, and use the last list to send a single message to each user with their complete collection of passwords, rather than sending a single message for each password. If mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is true, we further group users by the virtual host the mailing lists are assigned to. This is so that virtual domains are treated like real separate machines. """ # This puppy should probably do lots of logging. import sys import os import string import errno import paths from Mailman import mm_cfg from Mailman import MailList from Mailman import Utils from Mailman import Message from Mailman.Handlers import HandlerAPI # Work around known problems with some RedHat cron daemons import signal signal.signal(signal.SIGCHLD, signal.SIG_DFL) def mail_passwords(mlist, users, host): """Send each user their complete list of passwords. The list can be any random one - it is only used for the message delivery mechanism. Users are grouped by virtual host. """ mailman_owner = mm_cfg.MAILMAN_OWNER for addr, data in users.items(): table = [] for l, r, p, u in data: if len(l) > 39: table.append("%s\n %-10s\n%s\n" % (l, p, u)) else: table.append("%-40s %-10s\n%s\n" % (l, p, u)) header = ("%-40s %-10s\n%-40s %-10s" % ("List", "Password // URL", "----", "--------")) text = Utils.maketext( 'cronpass.txt', {'hostname': host, 'useraddr': addr, 'exreq' : r, 'owner' : mailman_owner, }) # add this to the end so it doesn't get wrapped/filled text = text + header + '\n' + string.join(table, '\n') subj = l + " password reminder" msg = Message.UserNotification(addr, mlist.GetAdminEmail(), subj, text) msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'yes' # print msg HandlerAPI.DeliverToUser(mlist, msg) def main(): """Consolidate all the list/url/password info for each user, so we send the user a single message with the info for all their lists on this site. """ # constrain to specified lists, if any confined_to = sys.argv[1:] # Group lists by the assigned virtual host, if # mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW is true. Otherwise, there's only one key # in this dictionary: mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME. Each entry in this # dictionary is a dictionary of user email addresses hosts = {} for listname in Utils.list_names(): if confined_to and listname not in confined_to: continue ## else: ## print 'Processing list:', listname mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) if not mlist.send_reminders: continue listaddr = mlist.GetListEmail() listreq = mlist.GetRequestEmail() umbrella = mlist.umbrella_list # get host information if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW: host = mlist.host_name else: host = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_HOST_NAME # # each entry in this dictionary is a list of tuples of the following # form: (listaddr, listreq, password, url) users = {} for addr, passwd in mlist.passwords.items(): url = mlist.GetOptionsURL(addr, absolute=1) realaddr = mlist.GetUserSubscribedAddress(addr) if not realaddr: continue recip = mlist.GetMemberAdminEmail(realaddr) userinfo = (listaddr, listreq, passwd, url) infolist = users.get(recip, []) infolist.append(userinfo) users[recip] = infolist mail_passwords(mlist, users, host) if __name__ == '__main__': main() From virginia at texterity.com Fri Aug 11 15:51:45 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] wierd happenings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, leith parkin wrote: > Im running mailman 2beta5 and having strange problems. This is a bsd box > which uses sendmail as the MTA. On adding new list members mailman can email > welcome messages out, password reminiders etc. However when a post is made > to a list, the email just disappears into the nether nether. While snippits from your mail logs would probably be helpful, this sounds like it's probably one of the following problems: (1) The mail wrapper either has incorrect permissions, ownership, or has lost its setgidness. On my system, the perms on ./mail/wrapper are: $ ls -l ./mail/wrapper -rwxr-sr-x 1 mail mailman 30868 Aug 10 19:56 ./mail/wrapper (mail is the MTA's DefaultUser). (2) The permissions of your installation are generally incorrect. Everything seems to work merrily when my installation is owned by Sendmail's DefaultUser, but not so happily otherwise. (3) You forgot to update mailman's crontab. $ crontab -l -u mailman | diff - ./cron/crontab.in shouldn't show anything different except the header. ./bin/check_perms will probably help a lot with the first and second possible problems. -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From marticus at louisville.edu Fri Aug 11 17:01:17 2000 From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek E Mart) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:01:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] wierd happenings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20000811110117.A6191@marticus.louisville.edu> * leith parkin (leith12 at hotmail.com) [000811 01:56]: > Im running mailman 2beta5 and having strange problems. This is a bsd box > which uses sendmail as the MTA. On adding new list members mailman can email > welcome messages out, password reminiders etc. However when a post is made > to a list, the email just disappears into the nether nether. I believe this is a permissions problem, try./configure --with-mail-gid Check your /var/log/mail log file for something like the following: Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 0, GOT gid 2. (Reconfigure to take 2?) -- Derek E. Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering Project - http://www.marticus.org/ PGP Key Fingerprint = AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14 B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67 From bug at aphid.net Fri Aug 11 17:25:13 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:25:13 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20000809.19081400@Corona.Miralink.com>; from bscheel@miralink.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:08:14PM +0000 References: <20000809.19081400@Corona.Miralink.com> Message-ID: <20000812012513.L6938@aphid.net> Check mailman or sendmail docs for info on smrsh. (Hint: smrsh = Sendmail Restricted SHell. You need to tell it which files are allowed to be run for aliases.) Chuck Wrote Bill Scheel on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 07:08:14PM +0000: > I had mailman running under postfix.... nmo sendmail gives me problems... > > any ideas > > > Aug 9 12:58:30 Postal smrsh: uid 8: attempt to use wrapper post mis > Aug 9 12:58:30 Postal sendmail[29473]: e79IwUc29473: > to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mis", ctladdr= > (8/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, pri=30021, dsn=5.0.0, > stat=Service unavailable > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From bug at aphid.net Fri Aug 11 17:25:41 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:25:41 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem sending attachments through 2.0b lists In-Reply-To: ; from wrd@awenet.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:25:00PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000812012541.M6938@aphid.net> Which queue - mailman or MTA? Chuck Wrote William R. Dickson on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 12:25:00PM -0700: > Hi all, > > I've got some lists running under both 2.0b4 and 2.0b5. It seems small > attachments can go through just fine, but larger ones (about 40K) get hung > up in the queue and have to be cleared from it manually. I've tried > eliminating the message size restriction with no effect. Anybody else > seeing this behavior? > > Thanks, > > -Bill > > > > -- > William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 > wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) > > Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or > a dose of common sense. > - Chapman Cohen > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From bug at aphid.net Fri Aug 11 17:29:01 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:29:01 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can Mailman work with virtual email domains? In-Reply-To: <3991DB9D.23193.DC4B24@localhost>; from dlw@trailingedge.com on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 10:30:53PM -0500 References: <3991DB9D.23193.DC4B24@localhost> Message-ID: <20000812012901.N6938@aphid.net> More info required. How did you set up the MTA to handle said "virtual domain"? Sounds like it has its own daemon or summit. Chuck Wrote David Williams on Wed, Aug 09, 2000 at 10:30:53PM -0500: > I've just started playing around with Mailman and set it up on > RH6.2. I have a virtual domain I run off the box and would like to set > up some mailing lists to use from this virtual domain and others > from the regular domain. When I try to post to a list on the virtual > domain, I get: > > Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, > GOT gid 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?) > > It works fine with a list on the regular domain. Can Mailman work > in this type of environment? Does anyone have an idea how the > virtual email domains work and where it's getting its group id from? > > Thanks. > > > ----- > David Williams - Computer Packrat > dlw at trailingedge.com > http://www.trailingedge.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From bscheel at miralink.com Fri Aug 11 17:38:04 2000 From: bscheel at miralink.com (Bill Scheel) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:38:04 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] New problem Message-ID: <20000811.15380400@Corona.Miralink.com> Ok .... for what ever reason the latest sendmail and smrsh are kinna screwed up on RH 6.2 ... I had to compile smrsh manually and set it up ..... now that the list work .... i am still getting email every 5 mins with this Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info I have removed the cron entry for gate_news ... restarted the cron daemon... but i am still getting these messages From bug at aphid.net Fri Aug 11 17:47:27 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 01:47:27 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] New problem In-Reply-To: <20000811.15380400@Corona.Miralink.com>; from bscheel@miralink.com on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 03:38:04PM +0000 References: <20000811.15380400@Corona.Miralink.com> Message-ID: <20000812014727.R6938@aphid.net> Wrote Bill Scheel on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 03:38:04PM +0000: > Ok .... for what ever reason the latest sendmail and smrsh are kinna > screwed up on RH 6.2 ... I had to compile smrsh manually and set it up > ..... now that the list work .... i am still getting email every 5 mins > with this > > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main > mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 810, in Load > raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' > MMBadListError: Failed to access config info > > I have removed the cron entry for gate_news ... restarted the cron > daemon... but i am still getting these messages Obviously it is still in cron if you are getting the messages. Does crontab -l root crontab -l mailman show any gate_news? Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From bscheel at miralink.com Fri Aug 11 18:15:11 2000 From: bscheel at miralink.com (Bill Scheel) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:15:11 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re gate-news crontab Message-ID: <20000811.16151100@Corona.Miralink.com> Gate-news prob .... thanks for the hint actually i had checked root and mailman crontab .... but after ur reply i got thinking ... mail runs as user daemon on rh 6.2 ... i check crontab of daemon user ... boom...... there it was ...... From wrd at awenet.com Fri Aug 11 19:02:58 2000 From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] More about my attachment problems In-Reply-To: <200008110624.XAA18639@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Dan Mick wrote: > > So, this problem with messages with attachments in 2.0b4 and b5 is > > completely reproducible. Every message with an attachment larger than > > about 40K hangs the list -- files get added to the qfiles directory, but > > they get backed up behind the stuck message. > > > > Until I manually remove the messages from the qfiles directory and delete > > the lock files, I get the following error in the qrunner log: > > > > Aug 10 11:51:00 2000 (70047) qrunner begining > > Aug 10 11:52:00 2000 (70116) qrunner begining > > Aug 10 11:52:02 2000 (70116) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Aug 10 11:52:02 2000 (70116) qrunner ended > > Aug 10 11:53:00 2000 (70167) qrunner begining > > Aug 10 11:53:01 2000 (70167) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > Aug 10 11:53:01 2000 (70167) qrunner ended > > BTW, this means there's a qrunner lock (meaning the system thinks > there's still a qrunner process running). Is there (still a qrunner > running at the time)? If so, what's it doing? > > Since you appear to have qrunner running every minute, is it possible > that qrunner is just taking a *long* time to finish when you have > a large mail message? Or is it dead? It's still there, and it seems to be dead -- It sat for as much as six days in one case, before I found it. In my locks directory: -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 73 Aug 11 19:48 qrunner.lock -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 73 Aug 11 19:48 qrunner.lock.catalpa.forest.net.32882 The process: mailman 32882 0.0 1.5 4476 3816 ?? I 9:48AM 0:00.94 /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qr The following log files changed at that time. digest: Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) Df-test v 7 - 1 msgs, 0 recips (0 mime, 0 text, 0 disabled) Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) next df-test digest: #8, post#1 locks: Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: df-test.lock laying claim Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: df-test.lock got the lock Aug 11 09:48:02 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: df-test.lock unlocked qrunner: Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) qrunner begining The error log was not updated. I've been sending test messages -- I can narrow it down some more, but so far I've found that a message of 51K or less goes through without a problem, and of 58K or more fails. -Bill -- William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) Religions are conclusions for which the facts of nature supply no major premises. - Ambrose Bierce From dc at dragonwerks.net Fri Aug 11 11:39:54 2000 From: dc at dragonwerks.net (DanielC) Date: 11 Aug 2000 03:39:54 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Flakey main listinfo page Message-ID: <20000811033954.1.10339.qmail@dragonwerks.net> I just installed 2.0beta5 on a Redhat6.2 box with qmail1.03 When I set my public lists up they didn't show up on the main listinfo page, and I blew it off as a config error on my part. But the next day when I opened the page all the public lists showed up as they should even though I hadn't done anything except open the page in a new browser window, later that day though after I had made changes to other lists the listinfo page was once again empty. Any Ideas? -- DanielC From jeme at brelin.net Sat Aug 12 03:46:59 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? Message-ID: Hi. I just finished building and installing mailman, but nothing works at all. It's not 404s or 500s, either. My web server says it's serving up 200s hot and fast... but all the pages are the "We've hit a bug!" page. Feel free to check it out: in particular, yields: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main immediate=1) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in __init__ Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in __init__ self.__get_f() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f reraise() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' Can I get a hint (or a clue)? Thanks. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Sat Aug 12 03:50:04 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Should have noted that this is Mailman 1.1 running on Debian Linux w/ Apache/1.3.9. Anything else, just ask. On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > Hi. > > I just finished building and installing mailman, but nothing works at all. > > It's not 404s or 500s, either. My web server says it's serving up 200s > hot and fast... but all the pages are the "We've hit a bug!" page. > > Feel free to check it out: > in particular, yields: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main > immediate=1) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 48, in > __init__ > Logger.__init__(self, category, nofail, immediate) > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 40, in > __init__ > self.__get_f() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 63, in __get_f > reraise() > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f > f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+') > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' > > Can I get a hint (or a clue)? > > Thanks. > J. > -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Sat Aug 12 04:02:19 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? Message-ID: <200008120201.TAA21268@utopia.west.sun.com> > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f > f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+') > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' > > Can I get a hint (or a clue)? It seems like this is a HUGE clue: "Permission denied". So, uh, what are the permissions of the program which is running, and the permissions of the directory and file? From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Sat Aug 12 04:05:37 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] More about my attachment problems Message-ID: <200008120204.TAA21352@utopia.west.sun.com> Worth trying something like truss/strace/whatever to see what that qrunner process is doing at a system-call level. It doesn't make any sense that it would say "unlocked" and there still be a file there...the file has been successfully unlinked at that point. > It's still there, and it seems to be dead -- It sat for as much as six > days in one case, before I found it. > > In my locks directory: > > -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 73 Aug 11 19:48 qrunner.lock > -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 73 Aug 11 19:48 > qrunner.lock.catalpa.forest.net.32882 > > The process: > > mailman 32882 0.0 1.5 4476 3816 ?? I 9:48AM 0:00.94 > /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qr > > The following log files changed at that time. digest: > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) Df-test v 7 - 1 msgs, 0 recips (0 mime, 0 > text, 0 disabled) > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) next df-test digest: #8, post#1 > > locks: > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: > df-test.lock laying claim > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: > df-test.lock got the lock > Aug 11 09:48:02 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: > df-test.lock unlocked > > qrunner: > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) qrunner begining > > The error log was not updated. > > I've been sending test messages -- I can narrow it down some more, but so > far I've found that a message of 51K or less goes through without a > problem, and of 58K or more fails. > > -Bill > > > -- > William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 > wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) > > Religions are conclusions for which the facts of nature supply > no major premises. > - Ambrose Bierce > From jeme at brelin.net Sat Aug 12 04:14:21 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: <200008120201.TAA21268@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Dan Mick wrote: > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f > > f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+') > > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' > > > > Can I get a hint (or a clue)? > > It seems like this is a HUGE clue: "Permission denied". Yes, of course that's a huge clue. I got a bit hasty in composing my original message. > So, uh, what are the permissions of the program which is > running, and the permissions of the directory and file? Lemme show you the two that you kept from the excerpt: -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 2494 Aug 11 18:11 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Aug 11 18:08 /usr/local/mailman/logs/ /usr/local/mailman/logs/error does not exist. I touched the file and changed its perms so now we have this: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Aug 11 19:11 /usr/local/mailman/logs/error This changed nothing. The output is exactly the same. I do have suexec enabled. I'm a bit concerned because this makes all cgi run as the user that owns it (rather than the webserver user). The INSTALL file specifically warns against running some things with the mailman GID. Unfortunately I need suexec. Are they incompatible? Now what do you think? J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From wrd at awenet.com Sat Aug 12 04:23:26 2000 From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] More about my attachment problems In-Reply-To: <200008120204.TAA21352@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: Okay! Um....how do I do that? :) -Bill On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Dan Mick wrote: > Worth trying something like truss/strace/whatever to see what that > qrunner process is doing at a system-call level. It doesn't > make any sense that it would say "unlocked" and there still > be a file there...the file has been successfully unlinked at that > point. > > > It's still there, and it seems to be dead -- It sat for as much as six > > days in one case, before I found it. > > > > In my locks directory: > > > > -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 73 Aug 11 19:48 qrunner.lock > > -rw-rw-r-- 2 mailman mailman 73 Aug 11 19:48 > > qrunner.lock.catalpa.forest.net.32882 > > > > The process: > > > > mailman 32882 0.0 1.5 4476 3816 ?? I 9:48AM 0:00.94 > > /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qr > > > > The following log files changed at that time. digest: > > > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) Df-test v 7 - 1 msgs, 0 recips (0 mime, 0 > > text, 0 disabled) > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) next df-test digest: #8, post#1 > > > > locks: > > > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: > > df-test.lock laying claim > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: > > df-test.lock got the lock > > Aug 11 09:48:02 2000 (32882) /usr/local/mailman/forest.net/cron/qrunner: > > df-test.lock unlocked > > > > qrunner: > > > > Aug 11 09:48:01 2000 (32882) qrunner begining > > > > The error log was not updated. > > > > I've been sending test messages -- I can narrow it down some more, but so > > far I've found that a message of 51K or less goes through without a > > problem, and of 58K or more fails. > > > > -Bill > > > > > > -- > > William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 > > wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) > > > > Religions are conclusions for which the facts of nature supply > > no major premises. > > - Ambrose Bierce > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > -- William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) "There is no sweeter sound than the crumbling of your fellow man." - Groucho Marx From ptomblin at xcski.com Sat Aug 12 04:23:33 2000 From: ptomblin at xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:23:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: ; from jeme@brelin.net on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 07:14:21PM -0700 References: <200008120201.TAA21268@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000811222333.A7065@xcski.com> Quoting Jeme A Brelin (jeme at brelin.net): > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Dan Mick wrote: > > > File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f > > > f = self.__fp = open(self.__filename, 'a+') > > > IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/logs/error' > > > > > > Can I get a hint (or a clue)? > > > > It seems like this is a HUGE clue: "Permission denied". > > Yes, of course that's a huge clue. I got a bit hasty in composing my > original message. > > > So, uh, what are the permissions of the program which is > > running, and the permissions of the directory and file? > > Lemme show you the two that you kept from the excerpt: > -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 2494 Aug 11 18:11 /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py > drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Aug 11 18:08 /usr/local/mailman/logs/ > > /usr/local/mailman/logs/error does not exist. > > I touched the file and changed its perms so now we have this: > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 0 Aug 11 19:11 /usr/local/mailman/logs/error > > This changed nothing. The output is exactly the same. error is written to by the web server. On my machine, that's userid "nobody" with group "nobody". So error should be owned by userid "nobody" with groupid "mailman". That way the web server can write to it, and so can mailman. Here is an ls -la in my logs directory: drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 1024 Feb 24 15:23 ./ drwxr-sr-x 16 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 17 09:56 ../ -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 18774 Aug 11 19:27 bounce -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 105956 Aug 11 19:17 digest -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 9043 Jul 20 13:40 error -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 689551 Aug 11 22:16 post -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 56139 Aug 10 17:56 subscribe -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 26447 Aug 11 14:24 vette -- Paul Tomblin , not speaking for anybody "Oh my G'Quan, they killed Koshi!" - Citizen G'kyle, Babylon Park From jeme at brelin.net Sat Aug 12 04:37:57 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: <20000811222333.A7065@xcski.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Paul Tomblin wrote: > error is written to by the web server. On my machine, that's > userid "nobody" with group "nobody". So error should be owned by userid > "nobody" with groupid "mailman". That way the web server can write to it, > and so can mailman. Here is an ls -la in my logs directory: Now THERE's a good lead. I didn't know that the webserver did the writing to some of the logs. So what I've done is make: drwxrwsr-x 2 www-data mailman 1024 Aug 11 19:29 /usr/local/mailman/logs That way, mailman can write there (as the owning gid) and the webserver can write there as owner uid. This changes the error somewhat, but I'm still stuck with this: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 65, in main lst = MailList.MailList(list_name) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load self.Lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock self.__lock.lock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied And now all that stuff is in /usr/local/mailman/logs/error because the web server can get at it. Running through this very quickly, I see that none of the above files have any execute bits set... is that normal? I mean, they look like scripts that need executing to me, but are they just used as data files for some other program that slurps them up and runs their contents separately? It appears that other permissions were set correctly, so why not these? And the bin/check_perms comes out dandy. Again... help, please. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Sat Aug 12 05:19:47 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > Again... help, please. I have no idea what was wrong, but I installed it again as the mailman user and everything works fine. All better. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From geoande at cape.com Sat Aug 12 15:31:15 2000 From: geoande at cape.com (George Anderson Jr) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 09:31:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation/setup Message-ID: Hi all, I am using RH 6.2, sendmail 8.9.3, I am seeking out the install docs for mailman, ie; where the config files are and how they should be setup. Am I correct in guessing that the Alias must be setup manually with the httpd.conf for apache. Many thanks, geo From bug at aphid.net Sat Aug 12 18:22:42 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:22:42 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Flakey main listinfo page In-Reply-To: <20000811033954.1.10339.qmail@dragonwerks.net>; from dc@dragonwerks.net on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 03:39:54AM -0600 References: <20000811033954.1.10339.qmail@dragonwerks.net> Message-ID: <20000813022242.N30336@aphid.net> Could be a strange interaction with the virtual host code, which only displays lists on the listinfo page that have an URL matching that set in the list config. Chuck Wrote DanielC on Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 03:39:54AM -0600: > > I just installed 2.0beta5 on a Redhat6.2 box with qmail1.03 When I set my > public lists up they didn't show up on the main listinfo page, and I blew > it off as a config error on my part. But the next day when I opened the > page all the public lists showed up as they should even though I hadn't > done anything except open the page in a new browser window, later that day > though after I had made changes to other lists the listinfo page was once > again empty. Any Ideas? > > -- > DanielC > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From bug at aphid.net Sat Aug 12 18:27:19 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 02:27:19 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation/setup In-Reply-To: ; from geoande@cape.com on Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 09:31:15AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20000813022719.O30336@aphid.net> Wrote George Anderson Jr on Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 09:31:15AM -0400: > I am using RH 6.2, sendmail 8.9.3, I am seeking out the install docs for > mailman, ie; where the config files are and how they should be setup. Am I > correct in guessing that the Alias must be setup manually with the > httpd.conf for apache. Do you live in a cave? Or a tent? Actually that's not important, don't worry about that question. Have you tried the "INSTALL" doc? Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From virginia at texterity.com Sat Aug 12 23:36:44 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 17:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > I do have suexec enabled. I'm a bit concerned because this makes all cgi > run as the user that owns it (rather than the webserver user). The > INSTALL file specifically warns against running some things with the > mailman GID. Unfortunately I need suexec. Are they incompatible? I do not believe suEXEC and Mailman are compatible with the initial installation of Mailman. Why? Double check the suEXEC security model, which outlines all the checks which are made before a CGI is allowed to run suEXEC: http://www.apache.org/docs/suexec.html There are a few pitfalls I can see being definite problems: (1) 13.Is the directory within the Apache webspace? If the request is for a regular portion of the server, is the requested directory within the server's document root? If the request is for a UserDir, is the requested directory within the user's document root? When you compiled suEXEC, you gave it a "--suexec-docroot" configure option. suEXEC will only work on files within this hierarchy or a UserDir space. Your Mailman installation would have to be inside one of these two spaces. (2) 14.Is the directory NOT writable by anyone else? We don't want to open up the directory to others; only the owner user may be able to alter this directories contents. 16.Is the target program NOT writable by anyone else? We don't want to give anyone other than the owner the ability to change the program. This is fundamentally incompatible with the default Mailman installation: $ ls -ld /data/mailman/cgi-bin drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mailman 4096 Aug 10 19:56 /data/mailman/cgi-bin/ (3) 17.Is the target program NOT setuid or setgid? We do not want to execute programs that will then change our UID/GID again. Again, fundamentally incompatible with the default Mailman installation: $ ls -l /data/mailman/cgi-bin total 640 -rwxr-sr-x 1 mail mailman 30010 May 23 22:23 admin* -rwxr-sr-x 1 mail mailman 30259 Aug 10 19:56 admin.cgi* -rwxr-sr-x 1 mail mailman 30014 May 23 22:23 admindb* -rwxr-sr-x 1 mail mailman 30263 Aug 10 19:56 admindb.cgi* [snip] You are going to have to play with a whole lot of your Mailman installation to get this working, it seems. I would pay very close attention to your Apache suEXEC log file (default: {ServerROOT}/logs/suexec-log). -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From jeme at brelin.net Sun Aug 13 07:07:54 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Virginia Beauregard wrote: > > I do not believe suEXEC and Mailman are compatible with the initial > installation of Mailman. Why? Double check the suEXEC security model, > which outlines all the checks which are made before a CGI is allowed to > run suEXEC: Actually, mailman DOES work with suEXEC. But not how you'd expect. The suEXEC security model errs on the side of caution. If it cannot run the CGI as the owner of the CGI, then it runs it as the web server user. So suEXEC still works for files that are in the docroot (of the web server and userdirs), but not the mailman files... so as far as mailman is concerned, there is no suEXEC. Everything related to the web interface of suEXEC is now working fine... see my next post. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jeme at brelin.net Sun Aug 13 07:08:37 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. Message-ID: Hi. OK, I know I had a whole bunch of dumb problems last night, but I think I've got those resolved. I eventually just ripped everything out and reinstalled as the mailman user. That seemed to work great. But, of course, I have a new problem. This time with sendmail. All of the web interface stuff works great. I change settings and they stay changed. I can add and remove users and edit their preferences. But every time I try to actually send mail to a list, I get a bounce from sendmail saying: 554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post poker"... unknown mailer error 2 The file looks like this: -rwxr-sr-x 1 mailman mailman 24158 Aug 11 20:03 /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper* The only thing that I've done that the docs doesn't directly suggest is add mailman to my trusted users. I've tried stopping and starting sendmail to no avail (in case there was a misread config). It's Sendmail 8.9.3 on Debian Linux and Mailman 1.1. Sendmail is using /bin/sh, not smrsh. Any ideas, let me know. Thanks. Jeme. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From bug at aphid.net Sun Aug 13 07:39:24 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:39:24 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Everything's a bug? In-Reply-To: ; from virginia@texterity.com on Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 05:36:44PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20000813153924.A22414@aphid.net> Wrote Virginia Beauregard on Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 05:36:44PM -0400: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > > I do have suexec enabled. I'm a bit concerned because this makes all cgi > > run as the user that owns it (rather than the webserver user). The > > INSTALL file specifically warns against running some things with the > > mailman GID. Unfortunately I need suexec. Are they incompatible? > > I do not believe suEXEC and Mailman are compatible with the initial > installation of Mailman. Why? Double check the suEXEC security model, [..] > (1) 13.Is the directory within the Apache webspace? I set --suexec-docroot to /home and do everything from there, because that's where all my virtual host document roots were and I couldn't handle moving them all to something more secure.. Luckily this meant mailman fine in /home/mailman. > (2) 14.Is the directory NOT writable by anyone else? [..] > This is fundamentally incompatible with the default Mailman > installation: > $ ls -ld /data/mailman/cgi-bin > drwxrwsr-x 2 mail mailman 4096 Aug 10 19:56 /data/mailman/cgi-bin/ > (3) 17.Is the target program NOT setuid or setgid? Which is very annoying because make install and check_perms always reset these permissions even though they are not necessary and do not work in my situation - it would be nice if check_perms was a little more understanding.. Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From jeme at brelin.net Sun Aug 13 09:58:56 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 00:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000813001524.009e17c0@dalwan.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Jay Urish very kindly wrote: > check /var/log/maillog for any sendmail related errors Yes. Did this. Recompiled (after specifically deleteting /usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper just in case) and make install did its thing. I used the following command line to kind of troubleshoot by adding some bogus GIDs (note gid 1 [daemon] is not there): ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid='8 9 100' Then a simple: make install And yet /var/log/mail.err says: Aug 13 00:54:35 shaft Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) SO what the HELL is giving sendmail gid 1?!? I figure --with-mail-gid is the right thing and couldn't possibly be broken because it's such a vital part of installation. So what gives? Any ideas? J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From Fire at taterPunk.GWS.Org Sun Aug 13 16:51:53 2000 From: Fire at taterPunk.GWS.Org (Bill Scheel) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:51:53 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] re:sendmail errors Message-ID: <20000813.14515300@TaTeRpuNk.GWS.Org> Yes this problem drove m crazy and everyone on the list said oh ... it's in the install file read it.... but i assume ur having the same problem and it's not exactly in the installation first mail=daemon second recompile smrsh manually ... lewk at the make file where it is going to put the bin file and the dir for the executing .... make sure it exists....... third you may have to clean up crontabs for like root ... mailman ... mailman crontab will br under user daemon now From a.koch at sgh-net.de Sun Aug 13 18:50:34 2000 From: a.koch at sgh-net.de (Alexander Koch) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:50:34 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain w/ mailman and exim Message-ID: <20000813165034.A22218@trinity.hannover.sgh-net.de> Hi there. I have exim running on several servers, have read the exim/mailman howto from Nigel, am using mailman 2.0b5 right now (or rather the Debian package by gorgo) and now I am wondering if and how I should get virtual list domains to work with mailman. I am asking if I can expect something like the -h switch to the majordomo wrapper, I do not want several mailman installations in parallel (like being proposed by some). Please, any input is highly welcome. Thanks, Alexander -- SGH mbH Internet Division, Systems Administration, ako4-ripe Hannover, Germany, Phone +49 511 909198 0, Fax +49 511 391307 From jeme at brelin.net Sun Aug 13 21:05:24 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 12:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Phillip Porch wrote: > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > I used the following command line to kind of troubleshoot by adding some > > bogus GIDs (note gid 1 [daemon] is not there): > > ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-mail-gid='8 9 100' > Try using only one gid ie --with-mail-gid=8 > Maybe the multiple IDs are confusing it. The multiple ids came later. I tried exactly what you've got there first. The multiple ids were a last ditch effort. And in response to the other person, I'm not using smrsh. Sendmail uses /bin/sh. Thanks again, but still stuck. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From mstevens at dqbbs.com Sun Aug 13 22:10:58 2000 From: mstevens at dqbbs.com (Melvin Stevens) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:10:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin/maillist won't load Message-ID: I created a list. I was in the process of configuring the list with the web interface. I changed the field that gives information on the list. It was about 100-150 words with a imbedded tag.. I hit save; and then the page never came back. After some struggle I just decided to check the list. Both the DB and back DB were corrupt. So I deleted the list and recreated it. Now it seems that when I click on the /admin/listname link the page never loads. Anyone have any suggestions? TIA Melvin Stevens From virginia at texterity.com Sun Aug 13 23:49:37 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > And yet /var/log/mail.err says: > Aug 13 00:54:35 shaft Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED > gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) > > SO what the HELL is giving sendmail gid 1?!? What does the "DefaultUser" line of your sendmail.cf file look like? -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From g8ecj at abmdata.demon.co.uk Sun Aug 13 23:28:19 2000 From: g8ecj at abmdata.demon.co.uk (Robin Gilks) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:28:19 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting from archive & mbox files Message-ID: <00081321340300.01660@robin.localdomain> Greetings all Just started a couple of lists and I'd like to clear some of the test garbage out of the web archives. Is there a simple way of doing this that keeps all the indexes intact? This info will also be useful for getting rid of spam from the archives as well. Second question is about housekeeping - the mbox files. How long do they last, how big do they get and if periodically deleted are they renamed during the overlap period of the last couple of mails going in and starting a fresh file (I may have a use for the raw Unix format files for someone to download - I wouldn't be able to use them if there is a chance of loosing a chunk if the file is rebuilt between downloads) Cheers -- Robin. Internet: g8ecj at abmdata.demon.co.uk http://www.gb7ipd.freeserve.co.uk/ Anorak mode: (+44) 1628 533311 Fax: (+44) 1628 850165 Club pages (g4xyw modem etc) at http://www.tvipug.freeserve.co.uk From jeme at brelin.net Mon Aug 14 00:16:45 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 15:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Virginia Beauregard wrote: > On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Jeme A Brelin wrote: > > And yet /var/log/mail.err says: > > Aug 13 00:54:35 shaft Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED > > gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) > > SO what the HELL is giving sendmail gid 1?!? > What does the "DefaultUser" line of your sendmail.cf file look like? The DefaultUser line is commented out of sendmail.cf. I assume this means it's using mail:mail (uid 8, gid 8). However, could someone explain to me why it's getting gid 1 when it expects 8? [jbrelin at shaft]~$ grep mail /etc/group mail:x:8: mailman:x:103: [jbrelin at shaft]~$ grep mail /etc/passwd mail:x:8:8:mail:/var/spool/mail:/bin/sh mailman:x:103:103:Mailman Mail Manager:/usr/local/mailman:/bin/sh Thanks. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From jwt at OnJapan.net Mon Aug 14 00:35:40 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:35:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting from archive & mbox files In-Reply-To: <00081321340300.01660@robin.localdomain>; from g8ecj@abmdata.demon.co.uk on Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 09:28:19PM +0000 References: <00081321340300.01660@robin.localdomain> Message-ID: <20000814073540.A1555@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 09:28:19PM +0000, Robin Gilks wrote: > Just started a couple of lists and I'd like to clear some of > the test garbage out of the web archives. Is there a simple > way of doing this that keeps all the indexes intact? This info No, but you can edit the list.mbox file and then run bin/arch to rebuild the archives and indexes. > Second question is about housekeeping - the mbox files. How > long do they last, how big do they get and if periodically They normally last forever. New messages are appended as they arrive (if you have archiving enabled). 73 -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From lindsey at mallorn.com Mon Aug 14 00:37:18 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:37:18 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: ; from jeme@brelin.net on Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 03:16:45PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000813173718.C18049@mallorn.com> > The DefaultUser line is commented out of sendmail.cf. > > I assume this means it's using mail:mail (uid 8, gid 8). Not necessarily. There's a whole bunch of stuff that sendmail goes through to determine which uid/gid to run things under. If you have the sendmail "bat" book, it's in section 34.8.15 and covers a few pages. But usually, it defaults to this: "If an entire u or g option is missing, the default value becomes 1 (usually 'daemon')." Quickest and easiest test to see what uid sendmail uses for its g and u options is to add an alias like this: testuid: /tmp/testuid Run '/usr/lib/sendmail -bi', then send mail to testuid. It will create /tmp/testuid with permissions for the user that sendmail is running as. You probably need to uncomment your DefaultUser, then restart sendmail. Chris From jeme at brelin.net Mon Aug 14 02:01:53 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: <20000813173718.C18049@mallorn.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote: > > The DefaultUser line is commented out of sendmail.cf. > > > > I assume this means it's using mail:mail (uid 8, gid 8). > > Not necessarily. There's a whole bunch of stuff that sendmail goes > through to determine which uid/gid to run things under. If you have > the sendmail "bat" book, it's in section 34.8.15 and covers a few > pages. > > But usually, it defaults to this: > > "If an entire u or g option is missing, the default value becomes > 1 (usually 'daemon')." Wait wait... then why does /var/log/mail.err say: Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) This doesn't make sense to me... if it's getting 1 and wants 8, then why doesn't it get 8 when I configure with --with-mail-gid=8 ? > Quickest and easiest test to see what uid sendmail uses for its g and > u options is to add an alias like this: > testuid: /tmp/testuid > Run '/usr/lib/sendmail -bi', then send mail to testuid. It will create > /tmp/testuid with permissions for the user that sendmail is running > as. So it goes... I did what is described above and got this: [root at shaft]~$ ls -al /tmp/testuid -rw------- 1 daemon daemon 353 Aug 13 15:57 /tmp/testuid So this says to me that sendmail is running as daemon:daemon... but then why didn't mailman work when I used not --with-mail-gid= line? Should it not have defaulted to daemon? And STILL why does the maillog say WANTED 8, GOT 1? Oi vey. I'm going to reconfigure mailman specifically with --with-mail-gid=1 and see what happens. OK... that worked. So now my questions is simply, why does sendmail's log seem to indicate the reverse condition of what is really happening? That is all. J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From lindsey at mallorn.com Mon Aug 14 02:17:09 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 19:17:09 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: ; from jeme@brelin.net on Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 05:01:53PM -0700 References: <20000813173718.C18049@mallorn.com> Message-ID: <20000813191709.D18049@mallorn.com> > Wait wait... then why does /var/log/mail.err say: > Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) > > This doesn't make sense to me... if it's getting 1 and wants 8, then why > doesn't it get 8 when I configure with --with-mail-gid=8 ? > So now my questions is simply, why does sendmail's log seem to indicate > the reverse condition of what is really happening? Because sendmail doesn't give it 8; it gives it 1. Mailman is generating that error, saying that it tried to run as uid/gid 8 (that's what was specified as an option to 'configure'), but sendmail said "No, I can only give you uid/gid 1." Chris From jeme at brelin.net Mon Aug 14 02:33:49 2000 From: jeme at brelin.net (Jeme A Brelin) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 17:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail error. In-Reply-To: <20000813191709.D18049@mallorn.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Christopher P. Lindsey wrote: > > Wait wait... then why does /var/log/mail.err say: > > Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) > Because sendmail doesn't give it 8; it gives it 1. Mailman is generating > that error, saying that it tried to run as uid/gid 8 (that's what was > specified as an option to 'configure'), but sendmail said "No, I can only > give you uid/gid 1." Well, this is, of course, perfectly reasonable and I should have been able to infer from the error and the colon and all what generated the error... so I guess I'm asking why, when I originally compiled mailman with only a --prefix=/usr/local/mailman, why did it try to use 8 when 'other daemon' is the default and other does not exist, but daemon is 1? J. -- ----------------- Jeme A Brelin jeme at brelin.net ----------------- [cc] counter-copyright http://www.openlaw.org From alister.air at uts.edu.au Mon Aug 14 04:52:56 2000 From: alister.air at uts.edu.au (alister air) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:52:56 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Proper domain name being sent In-Reply-To: References: <20000813191709.D18049@mallorn.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000814125004.01697ee8@mailbox.uts.edu.au> Hi, I've got a Solaris 7 server running sendmail 8.11.0 with a virtual domain. Sendmail sends email from the machine with no problems, using the virtual domain instead of the machine's domain name. Sendmail also receives email with the virtual domain name and gives it to Mailman. The problem I have is that Mailman then sends it out with the machine's name as the domain name rather than the virtual domain I want it to use. What have I done wrong? Regards, Alister -- Alister Air Ph 9514 1277 IT Manager Fx 9514 1656 Faculty of Science, University of Technology Sydney "The time of your life is the one commodity that you can sell but never buy back." -- Bob Black From micah at riseup.net Mon Aug 14 06:45:13 2000 From: micah at riseup.net (Micah Anderson) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:45:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing passwords for one list Message-ID: <20000813214513.Q21554@riseup.net> Hello - I'd like to be able to remove the passwords for one particular list (but not all of them) so that everyone subscribed can just submit a unsubscribe request and then get a mail back that requires them to confirm that they wanted to do this (just like subscribing from a different address). I've added a good 6,000 people to a list that used to be housed in majordomo and I set it so that they didn't get notification of the switch, but when they want to subscribe people are going to be confused, because they never GOT a password... Thanks! micah From dan at dpcsys.com Mon Aug 14 19:47:35 2000 From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Proper domain name being sent In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000814125004.01697ee8@mailbox.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, alister air wrote: > I've got a Solaris 7 server running sendmail 8.11.0 with a virtual > domain. Sendmail sends email from the machine with no problems, using the > virtual domain instead of the machine's domain name. Sendmail also > receives email with the virtual domain name and gives it to Mailman. The > problem I have is that Mailman then sends it out with the machine's name as > the domain name rather than the virtual domain I want it to use. > > What have I done wrong? See "Host name this list prefers" on the general options admin page. Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan at dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From jbeck at jhuadig.admin.jhu.edu Mon Aug 14 20:33:44 2000 From: jbeck at jhuadig.admin.jhu.edu (Josh Beck) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list Message-ID: I need to add at least a thousand members to our admin bulletin list and I was wondering if there was anyway to do this other than using the GUI interface. Is there a file somewhere where I could just add the names with an editor or do I need to add them all through the web interface? Thanks in advance for your help. From Ken.Gehring at gov.ab.ca Mon Aug 14 21:07:07 2000 From: Ken.Gehring at gov.ab.ca (Ken Gehring) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:07:07 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Netscape Fastrack Message-ID: Does anyone have any inforamtion on configuring Mailman to work with Netscape Fastrack Server? Thanks. Ken From claw at nuron.com Tue Aug 15 00:40:14 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:40:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribers list In-Reply-To: Message from Josh Beck of "Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:33:44 EDT." References: Message-ID: <15053.966292814@nuron.com> On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 14:33:44 -0400 Josh Beck wrote: > I need to add at least a thousand members to our admin bulletin > list and I was wondering if there was anyway to do this other than > using the GUI interface. Is there a file somewhere where I could > just add the names with an editor or do I need to add them all > through the web interface? Thanks in advance for your help. Use the add_members script in ~/bin. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From jmackenzie at local.ie Tue Aug 15 01:01:35 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:01:35 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installing Qmail Message-ID: <00081500025808.24023@samsara.local.ie> Hi there, I just changed from Sendmail to Qmail, was wondering if I needed to change mailman in anyway, for compatability issues, other than recompiling with the New mail-gid that is? Thanks - John -- John MacKenzie | Unix Systems Admin | e: mailto:jmackenzie at local.ie ___________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch your local area through Local Ireland http://chat.local.ie/chat/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ local ireland | dublin | new york | http://www.local.ie t: +353 1 676 8996 f: +353 1 283 9988 From alister.air at uts.edu.au Tue Aug 15 02:34:56 2000 From: alister.air at uts.edu.au (alister air) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:34:56 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Proper domain name being sent In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000814125004.01697ee8@mailbox.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000815102948.01708930@mailbox.uts.edu.au> At 03:47 AM 8/15/2000, Dan Busarow wrote: >On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, alister air wrote: > > I've got a Solaris 7 server running sendmail 8.11.0 with a virtual > > domain. Sendmail sends email from the machine with no problems, using the > > virtual domain instead of the machine's domain name. Sendmail also > > receives email with the virtual domain name and gives it to Mailman. The > > problem I have is that Mailman then sends it out with the machine's > name as > > the domain name rather than the virtual domain I want it to use. > > > > What have I done wrong? > >See "Host name this list prefers" on the general options admin >page. I have already done this, but it hadn't changed anything. When I send an email to my list list at lists.science.uts.edu.au it gets processed without any problems, but the "To" address gets changed to list at zeppo.science.uts.edu.au - zeppo is the machine name, lists is the alias I want it to use. The "Sender" is list-admin at lists.science.uts.edu.au and if I email from the machine it comes from user at lists.science.uts.edu.au, so somewhere Mailman is getting that the name is zeppo.science.uts.edu.au whereas sendmail's happy using lists.science.uts.edu.au - any ideas why? Regards, Alister -- Alister Air Ph 9514 1277 IT Manager Fx 9514 1656 Faculty of Science, University of Technology Sydney "The time of your life is the one commodity that you can sell but never buy back." -- Bob Black From ekumagai at hotmail.com Tue Aug 15 03:44:47 2000 From: ekumagai at hotmail.com (E K) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:44:47 PDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription issue Message-ID: Hello, I haven't been able to successfully subscribe any users. I've checked the mail log and I'm getting: /mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist", delay=00:51:05, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error Any insight to this is appreciated. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Aug 15 03:53:51 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription issue Message-ID: <200008150152.SAA28759@utopia.west.sun.com> > > Hello, > > I haven't been able to successfully subscribe any users. I've checked the > mail log and I'm getting: > > /mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist", delay=00:51:05, xdelay=00:00:00, > mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error > > Any insight to this is appreciated. Thank you. standard response 101: mailman/logs/* contain what?... From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Aug 15 03:56:56 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:56:56 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscription issue In-Reply-To: ; from ekumagai@hotmail.com on Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 06:44:47PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000815105656.A5693@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 06:44:47PM -0700, E K wrote: > I haven't been able to successfully subscribe any users. I've checked the > mail log and I'm getting: > > /mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd testlist", delay=00:51:05, xdelay=00:00:00, > mailer=prog, stat=Operating system error Are you using Sendmail? Did you follow the steps for setting up smrsh as described in README.SENDMAIL for fixing the "operating system error" in the mail logs? -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From jmackenzie at local.ie Tue Aug 15 05:00:08 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 04:00:08 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Installing Qmail In-Reply-To: <00081500025808.24023@samsara.local.ie> References: <00081500025808.24023@samsara.local.ie> Message-ID: <0008150402490C.24023@samsara.local.ie> Just an update on the situation, I Sent a mail to one of my lists, named donegal-domain, the qmail system accepted it, and the wrapper took it and held it in pending requests. I then went to discard it, but to send a copy to myself (jmackenzie at local.ie) I never recieved this... qmail shows nothing about accepting a mail injection from mailman, and the bounce log is as follows : Aug 15 03:53:02 2000 (27868) Donegal-domain: jmackenzie at local.ie - first Aug 15 03:56:01 2000 (27946) donegal-domain: address jmackenzie at local.ie not a member. Can someone please assist? Thanks - John On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, John MacKenzie wrote: > Hi there, > > I just changed from Sendmail to Qmail, was wondering if I needed to change > mailman in anyway, for compatability issues, other than recompiling with the > New mail-gid that is? > > Thanks > - John > -- John MacKenzie | Unix Systems Admin | e: mailto:jmackenzie at local.ie ___________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch your local area through Local Ireland http://chat.local.ie/chat/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ local ireland | dublin | new york | http://www.local.ie t: +353 1 676 8996 f: +353 1 283 9988 From jmackenzie at local.ie Tue Aug 15 07:42:10 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:42:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Installing Qmail In-Reply-To: <0008150402490C.24023@samsara.local.ie> References: <00081500025808.24023@samsara.local.ie> <0008150402490C.24023@samsara.local.ie> Message-ID: <0008150645080E.24023@samsara.local.ie> And before someone asks, I have Read README.QMAIL , I used the script to make the .qmail files for all the lists, I also added the virtualdomains entry for mailman. However I'm using tcpd, started qmail manualy, could be be a localhost relay issue? I've been working on this for the past 12 hours, still at a loss. Regards - John On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, John MacKenzie wrote: > Just an update on the situation, > > I Sent a mail to one of my lists, named donegal-domain, the qmail system > accepted it, and the wrapper took it and held it in pending requests. > > I then went to discard it, but to send a copy to myself (jmackenzie at local.ie) > I never recieved this... qmail shows nothing about accepting a mail injection > from mailman, and the bounce log is as follows : > > Aug 15 03:53:02 2000 (27868) Donegal-domain: jmackenzie at local.ie - first > Aug 15 03:56:01 2000 (27946) donegal-domain: address jmackenzie at local.ie not a member. > > Can someone please assist? > > Thanks > - John > > > > On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, John MacKenzie wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I just changed from Sendmail to Qmail, was wondering if I needed to change > > mailman in anyway, for compatability issues, other than recompiling with the > > New mail-gid that is? > > > > Thanks > > - John > > > -- John MacKenzie | Unix Systems Admin | e: mailto:jmackenzie at local.ie ___________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch your local area through Local Ireland http://chat.local.ie/chat/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ local ireland | dublin | new york | http://www.local.ie t: +353 1 676 8996 f: +353 1 283 9988 From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Aug 15 08:03:30 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:03:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Installing Qmail In-Reply-To: <0008150645080E.24023@samsara.local.ie> References: <00081500025808.24023@samsara.local.ie> <0008150402490C.24023@samsara.local.ie> <0008150645080E.24023@samsara.local.ie> Message-ID: At 6:42 AM +0100 8/15/00, John MacKenzie wrote: >And before someone asks, I have Read README.QMAIL , Please dno't post to both mailman-users and mailman-developers. That just adds noise and drives the people you're asking questions crazy. It's either a usage problem (like this one), or a code issue. It's never both. Please don't shotgun questions everywhere, because it only discourages people from answering your questions. chuq -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From jmackenzie at local.ie Tue Aug 15 08:05:02 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:05:02 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: Installing Qmail In-Reply-To: References: <00081500025808.24023@samsara.local.ie> <0008150645080E.24023@samsara.local.ie> Message-ID: <0008150707340F.24023@samsara.local.ie> Apologies, This issue is just driving me absolutely crazy at this stage. And I'd appreciate any advice, or information that can be given. I've spent hours, (the past 14 in fact) Trawling through archives... But haven't found anything of relevance. Once again, Apologies for the Dual-mailing - John On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > At 6:42 AM +0100 8/15/00, John MacKenzie wrote: > >And before someone asks, I have Read README.QMAIL , > > Please dno't post to both mailman-users and mailman-developers. That > just adds noise and drives the people you're asking questions crazy. > It's either a usage problem (like this one), or a code issue. It's > never both. Please don't shotgun questions everywhere, because it > only discourages people from answering your questions. > > chuq > -- > Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) > Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) > > And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar > and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-Developers mailing list > Mailman-Developers at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers -- John MacKenzie | Unix Systems Admin | e: mailto:jmackenzie at local.ie ___________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch your local area through Local Ireland http://chat.local.ie/chat/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ local ireland | dublin | new york | http://www.local.ie t: +353 1 676 8996 f: +353 1 283 9988 From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Tue Aug 15 16:34:28 2000 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman2beta5 Message-ID: I am currently running mailman2 beta5 running on Freebsd 4.1 stable and using sendmail. When I send email to my lists the messages go to the qfiles directory under mailman and just sit there. Unfortunatly nothing happens from there. Since I have moved from 1.1 to 2-beta 3 my messages seem to go to queue and not served to sendmail. I have looked in the logs and there are no errors. If anyone has any suggestions on how to get this working, please let me know. Thanks Chris --- Christopher T. Griffiths Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com From bug at aphid.net Tue Aug 15 16:43:23 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:43:23 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman2beta5 In-Reply-To: ; from cgriffiths@quansoo.com on Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 10:34:28AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20000816004323.Q30336@aphid.net> Check INSTALL or UPGRADE. (hint: cron jobs need to be installed/updated.) Chuck Wrote Christopher T. Griffiths on Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 10:34:28AM -0400: > I am currently running mailman2 beta5 running on Freebsd 4.1 stable and > using sendmail. When I send email to my lists the messages go to the > qfiles directory under mailman and just sit there. Unfortunatly nothing > happens from there. Since I have moved from 1.1 to 2-beta 3 my messages > seem to go to queue and not served to sendmail. I have looked in the logs > and there are no errors. If anyone has any suggestions on how to get this > working, please let me know. > > > Thanks > > Chris > > --- > Christopher T. Griffiths > Quansoo Group Inc. > cgriffiths at quansoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk Tue Aug 15 16:43:41 2000 From: Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:43:41 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman2beta5 In-Reply-To: Message from "Christopher T. Griffiths" of "Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:34:28 EDT." Message-ID: Looking back at the archives or even (gasp) reading the documentation within the package, is considered polite before asking questions of the mailing list. Check your crontab entries - the later 2.0beta crontabs are *very* different to the 1.1 versions. crontab.in within your ~mailman/cron directory has an appropriate template. Nigel. -- [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Tue Aug 15 16:52:36 2000 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman2beta5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually I have read through all the documentation as well as the archives. No one has posted anything beyond having an issue with sendmail not liking the gid. I have removed all of my previous versions of mailman and updated the crontab. When I send messages in to my list they take now take 1-2 minutes to process and hit the users. Then as time goes on I am getting the following message now and things just stack up in the queue: Aug 15 10:50:01 2000 (49062) Could not acquire qrunner lock How long specifically should mailman take to queue and send out the messages to sendmail? Thanks Chris On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > Looking back at the archives or even (gasp) reading the documentation > within the package, is considered polite before asking questions of the > mailing list. > > Check your crontab entries - the later 2.0beta crontabs are *very* > different to the 1.1 versions. crontab.in within your ~mailman/cron > directory has an appropriate template. > > Nigel. > -- > [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] > [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] > [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] > > > --- Christopher T. Griffiths Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From isheen at rcp.net.pe Tue Aug 15 17:09:13 2000 From: isheen at rcp.net.pe (Irma Sheen) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Python References: Message-ID: <39995E01.B71035FC@rcp.net.pe> Hello, I received the following message from my machine Could somebody give me some insight as to what is happening, and how I may go about fixing it? Your "cron" job on listas3 /usr/local/bin/python /usr2/mailman/cron/senddigests produced the following output: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr2/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 41, in ? main() File "/usr2/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 38, in main list.SendDigestIfAny() File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 199, in SendDigestIfAny self.SendDigestOnSize(0) File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 211, in SendDigestOnSize self.SendDigest() File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 299, in SendDigest self.DeliverToList(d.Present(mime=0), File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 385, in Present lines.append(self.SatisfyRefs(self.list.digest_header)) File "/usr2/mailman/Mailman/Digester.py", line 350, in SatisfyRefs return text % substs ValueError: unsupported format character 'F' (0x46) Thanks! Irma Sheen From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Tue Aug 15 17:14:10 2000 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman2beta5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry to reply to myself. I figured out my problem, the path for the mailman user moved when I installed the port from /usr/local/share/mailman to /usr/local/mailman Thanks Chris On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Christopher T. Griffiths wrote: > Actually I have read through all the documentation as well as the > archives. No one has posted anything beyond having an issue with sendmail > not liking the gid. I have removed all of my previous versions of mailman > and updated the crontab. When I send messages in to my list they take > now take 1-2 minutes to process and hit the users. Then as time goes on I > am getting the following message now and things just stack up in the > queue: > > Aug 15 10:50:01 2000 (49062) Could not acquire qrunner lock > > How long specifically should mailman take to queue and send out the > messages to sendmail? > > Thanks > > Chris > > > On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > > > Looking back at the archives or even (gasp) reading the documentation > > within the package, is considered polite before asking questions of the > > mailing list. > > > > Check your crontab entries - the later 2.0beta crontabs are *very* > > different to the 1.1 versions. crontab.in within your ~mailman/cron > > directory has an appropriate template. > > > > Nigel. > > -- > > [ - Opinions expressed are personal and may not be shared by VData - ] > > [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] > > [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] > > > > > > > > --- > Christopher T. Griffiths > Quansoo Group Inc. > cgriffiths at quansoo.com > Phone: (302) 777-4141 > Fax: (302) 777-4142 > Mobile: (302) 521-3436 > > > > --- Christopher T. Griffiths Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From gam at arnet.net.ar Tue Aug 15 12:07:34 2000 From: gam at arnet.net.ar (Gustavo Monserrat) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:07:34 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial setup Message-ID: <39991666.E5C5622C@arnet.net.ar> Hi! I am configuring Mailman to run a simple list, and I had no problems installing except for this llittle issue: When I post a message, sendmail gets it, processes the alias (passing the |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post etc etc etc) and the message is not delivered to recipients. I did all the install files say, but I cannot get it working. I appreciate your help. Gustavo From bug at aphid.net Tue Aug 15 18:14:55 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:14:55 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Initial setup In-Reply-To: <39991666.E5C5622C@arnet.net.ar>; from gam@arnet.net.ar on Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:07:34PM +0300 References: <39991666.E5C5622C@arnet.net.ar> Message-ID: <20000816021455.I27182@aphid.net> Perhaps: What do the logs say? Chuck Wrote Gustavo Monserrat on Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:07:34PM +0300: > I am configuring Mailman to run a simple list, and I had no problems > installing except for this llittle issue: > > When I post a message, sendmail gets it, processes the alias (passing > the |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post etc etc etc) and the message is not > delivered to recipients. I did all the install files say, but I cannot > get it working. > > I appreciate your help. > > Gustavo > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 15 21:14:30 2000 From: mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Michael Rose) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:14:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archival Problems Message-ID: Hello to all, Hi, I am writing to the list to see if anyone else has had problems with archiving in Mailman 2.0beta4. We have had a list that has not archived since May. We were using Mailman 1.1 until we upgraded in May. The reason for upgrading was to maybe solve this archiving problem. But to no avail, the archives are still down. I am stumped. The list works fine, as the users of the list still receive mail but the archives are not working. We do have it set up to archive and to the best of my knowledge, the settings are correct. Has anyone else experienced this sort of problem? Thanks for any help! Michael A. Rose Ag Networking Lab Forbes 218 621-2489 From mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 15 21:15:17 2000 From: mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Michael Rose) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:15:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting Problem Message-ID: Hello to all, I am not sure if anyone else has had this problem, but recently as in the last few days, one of our lists has not been getting notifications of new postings for approval. If they go to the the approval page, you can see the new postings, but they are not notified otherwise. Has anyone else encountered this? If so, what did you do to remedy the problem? Thanks for any help!! By the way, we are currently using Mailman 2.0beta4. Thanks again! Michael A. Rose Ag Networking Lab Forbes 218 621-2489 From marticus at louisville.edu Tue Aug 15 21:44:01 2000 From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek E Mart) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:44:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] masquerading Message-ID: <20000815154401.A19773@marticus.louisville.edu> Greetings! I am searching for an appropriate question to ask concerning sendmail host masquerading, however, I first need some information. When I send a message to two different hostnames which point to the same sendmail server, I would like mailman to resend out that mail with the hostname which the mail was sent under. Example: sub1.domain.com and sub2.domain.com point to smtp.domain.com mail is sent to newlist1 at sub1.* and it is resent out with smtp.* mail is sent to newlist2 at sub2.* and it is resent out with smtp.* Both From: and Reply-to: are set to smtp instead of the sub1 or sub2 What I want: mail is sent to newlist1 at sub1.* and it is resent out with sub1.* mail is sent to newlist2 at sub2.* and it is resent out with sub2.* I thought the host_name (general) setting would accomplish this, but no matter what I put in there, the sendmail server sends the mail out with the machine's hostname. I looked for DM in sendmail.cf and it is null. Is there something else I should be looking at? What should I be asking here? I would appreciate any insight which would help me form an appropriate question to ask sendmail folks or better yet, a solution to my problem. Cheers! -- Derek E. Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering Project - http://www.marticus.org/ PGP Key Fingerprint = AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14 B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67 From wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 21:49:00 2000 From: wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu (Gary Wilson) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:49:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Passwords? References: Message-ID: <001101c006f1$dbe55a20$0a00a8c0@home> Hi, I've followed the discussions on passwords. But what I want to know is if it is possible yet to turn off the password feature? For the lists that I am maintaining there is no need for it and it confuses most users since it is not a feature found on any other mail lists. Gary From mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu Tue Aug 15 23:39:11 2000 From: mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Michael Rose) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:39:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Posting Problems Again Message-ID: Hello once again, I am not sure if I explained myself clearly before about the Posting problem, so I am going to try it again. I just got a message from one of my list owners and they are receiving posting verifications, but when they go to the verification webpage, there are no pending messages. How could this happen? Thanks again for any help. Michael A. Rose Ag Networking Lab Forbes 218 621-2489 From paz at apriori.net Wed Aug 16 13:34:45 2000 From: paz at apriori.net (paz) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 07:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Spam Discard Blarf message Message-ID: I received a spam message to a closed list; I went to the "Administrative Requests" page to dispose of it. Upon selecting the "Discard (eg, spam)" radio button and clicking "submit", I got the following error page: ================================== Bug in Mailman version 1.0b9 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 124, in main HandleRequests(doc) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 214, in HandleRequests list.HandleRequest(request, v) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 159, in HandlePostRequest self.LogMsg("vette", note) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 729, in LogMsg logf.write("%s\n" % (msg % args)) TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/www/public_html SERVER_ADDR ---.---.---.--- HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip CONTENT_LENGTH 281 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded PATH_TRANSLATED /home/www/public_html/jitg REMOTE_ADDR ---.---.---.--- SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.9 (FreeBSD) PHP/3.0.12 mod_ssl/2.4.0 OpenSSL/0.9.4 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_COOKIE ----_-----=725------ UNIQUE_ID OZp5ntHAlJEAAOjCW90 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en REMOTE_PORT 2515 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.74 [en] (Win95; U) HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* REQUEST_URI /mailman/admindb/---- PATH /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/netscape:/usr/local/mysql:/usr/local/mysql/bin:/usr/local/etc:/usr/local/apache:/usr/local/apache/bin:/usr/local/libexec:/root/bin QUERY_STRING SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 PATH_INFO /---- HTTP_HOST www.apriori.net REQUEST_METHOD POST SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.9 Server at www.apriori.net Port 80 SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admindb SERVER_ADMIN root at apriori.net SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb PYTHONPATH /home/mailman HTTP_REFERER http://www.apriori.net/mailman/admindb/jitg SERVER_NAME www.apriori.net ======================================================================= cheers - -- Philip. philip zimmermann paz at apriori.net www.apriori.net ayer, ma usa -- DISCLAIMER: Anyone sending me unsolicited commercial electronic mail automatically agrees to be held to the following legal terms: US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. From ppp at vsnl.com Wed Aug 16 14:13:36 2000 From: ppp at vsnl.com (PPPindia) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:43:36 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge mailman/logs/locks file ? Message-ID: <399A8570.ECD4588F@vsnl.com> Hi all, /mailman/logs/locks file is getting bigger and bigger day by day. Now its size is 17MB And the file just contains the following repeated many times Aug 16 08:20:00 2000 (9188) pppshar.lock kickstarted (9188) netgrowth-members.lock kickstarted Can i delete this file now ? Will it affect the current lists ? Do i have to do anything after deleting it to re-create the file ? Thanks in advance for any help ksamy -- +--------------------------------------------------------+ PPPshar- Internet for your LAN with one Internet account netMailshar -Email for every desktop with one 'Net account. MailAssistant - Speaking Email Notifier GetAgain - resume interrupted downloads. Visit http://www.pppindia.com/software FREE Download +--------------------------------------------------------+ From jmackenzie at local.ie Wed Aug 16 15:09:31 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:09:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman And Qmail integration. Message-ID: <0008161413420R.24023@samsara.local.ie> Hey folks, Having recently installed qmail..... got it working fine as an MTA... No issues there, however... Getting mailman to work with it has proved a lot harder. I have read README.qmail, created the .qmail- files , added the qmail user, to the mailman group. Added the Relay info to hosts.allow. Now if I send a mail to a list.... It Gets recieved, gets caught by pending requests etc.... however if I approve it, Nothing happens. Looking at the maillog there is no reference to Mailman trying to inject anything to the list. Please provide ANY assistance you possibly can cos this is driving me batty.... Cheers - John -- John MacKenzie | Unix Systems Admin | e: mailto:jmackenzie at local.ie ___________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch your local area through Local Ireland http://chat.local.ie/chat/index.html ___________________________________________________________________ local ireland | dublin | new york | http://www.local.ie t: +353 1 676 8996 f: +353 1 283 9988 From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com Wed Aug 16 15:49:53 2000 From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] MTA -- Error problems. In-Reply-To: <399A8570.ECD4588F@vsnl.com> Message-ID: Hello, I am hoping some one can help me with this problem that started happening to my installation of mailman. Yesterday, our Network support staff tried to change the name of the server (Don't ask WHY?) and we changed it back after nothing worked. Ever since then, every message sent to the 3 lists that I maintain do not send out messages to the members to the lists. When I look at the error logs, I get messages with the individuals email address followed by : Aug 16 08:49:13 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / (110, 'Connection timed out') (deferred) Aug 16 08:49:13 2000 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting? I am able to send messages using elm or just mail out to other domains as well as my domain. I have started and restarted the sendmail deamons, Am I missing something? Thanks for all of your help. Luis From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Wed Aug 16 17:57:06 2000 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] server not using SMTPDirect, not splitting envelope, long delivery times Message-ID: Brett, I was looking through the archives for mailman and saw this post. I am running Freebsd 4.1, mailman2 beta5 and sendmail. Before I migrated to mailman2 from 1.1, mail delivery to my lists was only a few seconds for my lists of a few users and now it is taking upwards of a minute or two for these posts to go through. Please let me know if you have found any solutions to these issues. Thanks Chris --- Christopher T. Griffiths Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Wed Aug 16 19:53:44 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:53:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Huge mailman/logs/locks file ? References: <399A8570.ECD4588F@vsnl.com> Message-ID: <399AD528.68A9250D@west.sun.com> PPPindia wrote: > Hi all, > > /mailman/logs/locks file is getting bigger and bigger day by day. > Now its size is 17MB > > And the file just contains the following repeated many times > > Aug 16 08:20:00 2000 (9188) pppshar.lock kickstarted > (9188) netgrowth-members.lock kickstarted > > Can i delete this file now ? Yes; it's output-only. > Will it affect the current lists ? > Do i have to do anything after deleting it to re-create the file ? Don't think so, if permissions are right. However, the fact that it keeps saying "kickstarted" is indicative of a problem; locking isn't working right for some reason. > Thanks in advance for any help From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed Aug 16 20:29:42 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:29:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved server, mailman is broken Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D05F4@EMAIL> I needed to build a machine for mailman for the office, but it was easier to build it at home. So, I installed mailman 2.0beta4 from an RPM (I've got beta5, just haven't installed it yet), and it was working on my home network. I brought the box to work, changed the IP and hostname for the box, and changed the defaults in mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, and rebooted. Now almost everything is broken. I deleted my test list, to clean things up a bit. When I went to create a new list, it was VERY slow, but it did complete eventually. However, I haven't receied the confirmation mail that I normally get when I create a list. The maillog doesn't say anything to me, and there are no obvious errors in mailman/logs/*. Anyway, here's what mailman/logs/smtp says, which is REALLY strange. Jul 27 22:37:01 2000 (7749) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 1.592 seconds Aug 16 10:41:24 2000 (680) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 151.208 seconds Aug 16 11:09:17 2000 (872) smtp for 1 recips, completed in 150.902 seconds July 27 was at home, the two from today are here at the office. Hmm, a 150 fold increase in the time it takes to process things? That's not good. Here's some of my maillog, in case that helps. Aug 15 11:40:10 list sendmail[468]: starting daemon (8.9.3): SMTP+queueing at 01:00:00 Aug 16 10:12:32 list sendmail[434]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by root Aug 16 10:12:32 list sendmail[434]: /etc/aliases: 20 aliases, longest 49 bytes, 369 bytes total Aug 16 10:12:36 list sendmail[448]: starting daemon (8.9.3): SMTP+queueing at 01:00:00 Aug 16 10:41:23 list sendmail[689]: KAA00689: from=, size=1541, class=-60, pri=139541, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200008161738.KAA00689 at localhost.localdomain>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:root at list [127.0.0.1] Aug 16 10:41:23 list sendmail[689]: KAA00689: to=, delay=00:02:30, mailer=esmtp, stat=queued Aug 16 10:45:06 list sendmail[723]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by root Aug 16 10:45:06 list sendmail[723]: /etc/aliases: 24 aliases, longest 50 bytes, 563 bytes total Aug 16 11:09:17 list sendmail[876]: LAA00876: from=, size=1538, class=-60, pri=139538, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200008161806.LAA00876 at localhost.localdomain>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:root at list [127.0.0.1] Aug 16 11:09:17 list sendmail[876]: LAA00876: to=, delay=00:02:30, mailer=esmtp, stat=queued Aug 16 11:12:37 list sendmail[895]: alias database /etc/aliases autorebuilt by root Aug 16 11:12:37 list sendmail[895]: /etc/aliases: 28 aliases, longest 50 bytes, 757 bytes total Aug 16 11:12:39 list sendmail[896]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by root Aug 16 11:12:39 list sendmail[896]: /etc/aliases: 28 aliases, longest 50 bytes, 757 bytes total My only hint is that the messages have been "queued", but I can't figure out why that would be. Thanks for any pointers, Greg From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Wed Aug 16 20:33:11 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:33:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration HELP Message-ID: Okay, here is the scenario. I want to migrate my mailman functions over to a new machine. I brought up the new machine and installed Mailman v2.0beta4 on it. Everything seems to work perfectly fine with this installation. Now, I want to migrate my mailing lists from my old server to the new one. My old server is running Mailman v1.1. I have approximately 30 lists on this box. I have tried and tried to do this, with no success. One problem that I am having is this, my old server had mailman installed in a non-standard location (my new server has it installed in /home/mailman). When I was looking at the config files for each of the old lists - they have path information in them. Will I have to manually edit these? What I am looking for is this: I am a rather inexperienced Unix guy. I want a step-by-step on how I can do this. Any help is appreciated. From kambiz at colltech.com Wed Aug 16 20:38:33 2000 From: kambiz at colltech.com (Kambiz Aghaiepour) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:38:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems with lock files (anyone?) Message-ID: <399ADFA9.DBF53314@colltech.com> I have on occasion noticed a problem with the lock files in the ~mailman/locks directory. Although I have not looked into the python code, the one that seems to be a problem is the qrunner lock file. My guess is that (as qrunner runs once every minute), qrunner checks for the existence of the lock file and does nothing if the lock file is there (presumably to prevent many qrunners from running simultaneously). The problem I'm having and I've noticed a few times now, is that for some reason, the qrunner process will die (or abnormally end? or something) and the lock file will not get cleaned up. Then the subsequent qrunner processes will do nothing. I've noticed this happening when a message is sent to a huge list (e.g. 130,000+ members). I should mention this is MM2.0b4, postfix MTA (pl8), RH6.2 Linux. Has anyone else seen this? I'm almost tempted to comment out the cron job for qrunner and launch a script out of inittab that does something like: (pseudo-code) while true ; do run qrunner check for the qrunner lock file (and process) as needed, cleanup the qrunner lock file done Any thoughts on the problem? Anyone else seen this happening? Any thoughts on the workaround? Kambiz -- \o__O o Kambiz Aghaiepour, RHCE - Phone: (919) 524-7423 o o \_ /|\ Collective Technologies |\| Pager: (800) 946-4646 //\ //\ |\ |\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | | -=-=-=- Pin# 1412622 =- // // / / |/ mailto:kambiz at colltech.com | http://www.colltech.com |\ || From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed Aug 16 20:53:47 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved server, mailman is broken Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D05F5@EMAIL> ok, so I'm replying to myself, but I've got one more piece of information for ya. I found this in my spool hierarchy, and it SEEMS relevant, but I don't know exactly what it means, nor why it's not working. V2 T966447533 K966449707 N2 P229541 I8/4/96568 Mhost map: lookup (cu-portland.edu): deferred Fbn $rESMTP $slist $_IDENT:root at list [127.0.0.1] S RPFD: H?P?Return-Path: HReceived: from list (IDENT:root at list [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00689 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:38:53 -0700 H?D?Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:38:53 -0700 H?M?Message-Id: <200008161738.KAA00689 at localhost.localdomain> HSubject: Your new mailing list: randy HFrom: mailman-owner at list HTo: rlundgren at cu-portland.edu HSender: randy-admin at list HErrors-To: randy-admin at list HX-BeenThere: randy at list HX-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta4 HPrecedence: bulk HList-Id: . I don't understand the first six lines, but line seven seems to be where something is broken. Since that seems to be a name resolution problem, I fired up nslookup on that machine. I set the query type to mx, and then asked it for information on cu-portland.edu, and it resolves properly, and even finds the right server. Any pointers on what I've broken are appreciated. Thanks, Greg From isheen at rcp.net.pe Wed Aug 16 22:26:26 2000 From: isheen at rcp.net.pe (Irma Sheen) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:26:26 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problems Message-ID: <399AF9D9.2C1268EB@rcp.net.pe> Contexto: SunOS 5.7 Generic_106541-04 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-cEngine Hardware: Netra t1 (UltraSPARC-IIi 360MHz) Servidor Smail-3.2.0.105 Mailman ?? Memoria: 256 Megabytes Problem: up until today, list server working just fine. This morming, I come in and the list server is having these problems (not send mail) shown in smail's logfile: [listas3/var/spool/smail/log]# fgrep m13P5QI-000nr7C logfile 08/16/2000 10:48:11: [m13P5QI-000nr7C] Received FROM:eiko at rcp.net.pe HOST:relay1.rcp.net.pe[200.1.178.247] PROTOCOL:esmtp PROGRAM:smail ORIG-ID:<399AB80C.7E1FBA89 at rcp.net.pe> SIZE:1137 08/16/2000 10:49:01: [m13P5QI-000nr7C] note: "|/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper post oannes" ... transport pipe: child returned status EX_1 (1) 08/16/2000 10:49:01: [m13P5QI-000nr7C] Delivered TO:/usr2/mailman/mail/wrapper post oannes ORIG-TO: DIRECTOR:aliases TRANSPORT:pipe 08/16/2000 10:49:01: [m13P5QI-000nr7C] Completed. NOTE: * THE E-MAILS ARE SAVE PERFECTLY INTO FILE: archives BUT NOT SEND MAIL (Oannes - 300 members) * THE OTHERS 5 LIST WORK PERFECTLY Thanks in advance for any help -- ========================================================= Irma Sheen Cortavarria RCP - Internet Peru Augusto Tamayo 125. San Isidro. Lima - Peru Telf. 51-1-422-4848 Fax. 51-1-421-8086 mailto: isheen at rcp.net.pe ========================================================= From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Wed Aug 16 23:04:57 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:04:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved server, mailman is broken Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D05F8@EMAIL> Stick hacking away at this, and coming up with more questions. From mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, I see this: # SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' SMTPHOST = 'localhost' Can somebody tell me what they have for this settings? I suspect that things may be happier if I change this, but I don't know. When I compile the mailman RPM, it defaults all hostnames to localhost, so that's probably why it's set to localhost. Thanks, Greg From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Wed Aug 16 23:22:36 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved server, mailman is broken Message-ID: <200008162121.OAA00023@utopia.west.sun.com> > # SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' > SMTPHOST = 'localhost' > > Can somebody tell me what they have for this settings? localhost works for me. From ekumagai at hotmail.com Thu Aug 17 00:21:44 2000 From: ekumagai at hotmail.com (E K) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:21:44 PDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie: newlist error Message-ID: Hello again, Thanks for the help from my previous issue. I've setup mailman on another box running Debian 2.1. I executed newlist and after entering the name and email I got this error: Traceback (innermost last): File "./newlist", line 150, in ? raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv)) File "./newlist", line 130, in main sendnotice(newlist, list_name, owner_mail, list_pw) File "./newlist", line 135, in sendnotice text = Utils.maketext( File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 593, in maketext fp = open(file) IOError: (2, 'No such file or directory') Thanks for any help. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Thu Aug 17 01:05:43 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:05:43 -0700 Subject: customizing admin pages (was: RE: [Mailman-Users] moved server, m ailman is broken) Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D05FB@EMAIL> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Mick [mailto:Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:23 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org; GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu > Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] moved server, mailman is broken > > > # SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' > > SMTPHOST = 'localhost' > > > > Can somebody tell me what they have for this settings? > > localhost works for me. Thanks Dan. I just told it to use sendmail, and things seem to be peachy now, although I did need to upgrade to beta5 to fix the cookie problem. Now, time for another question. Is there a way to edit the DEFAULT admin pages that our admins will see? There are WAY more options than they need to be concerned with. Basically they need to be able to edit the description of the list, perhaps the admin address, and a few other things. There seem to be ways to edit the user pages, but not the general admin pages. I'd appreciate any suggestions, thanks, Greg From iap at y2fun.com Thu Aug 17 06:41:36 2000 From: iap at y2fun.com (iap_y2fun.com) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:41:36 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetch attachments from web page of archive Message-ID: <000e01c00805$6e167c80$6601a8c0@y2fun.com> Hi, all I am new to mailman. I would like to know if there is any way to decode "multipart" messages into its' parts and displayed on the html page of the archive. (may be a "link" to fetch it). Thanks. Iap -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000817/1b49a687/attachment.htm From jwt at OnJapan.net Thu Aug 17 07:02:50 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:02:50 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration HELP In-Reply-To: ; from robert.meredith@neonsoft.com on Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:33:11PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20000817140250.C13998@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:33:11PM -0600, Meredith, Robert wrote: > Now, I want to migrate my mailing lists from my old server to the new one. > My old server is running Mailman v1.1. I have approximately 30 lists on > this box. I have tried and tried to do this, with no success. I would try copying over the old list configurations and then running 'make update' to attempt to update them to the current format. (First you will probably need to change the data/last_mailman_version file which is a hex string representing the current (or "old" in your case) version number in hex.) > One problem that I am having is this, my old server had > mailman installed in a non-standard location (my new server > has it installed in /home/mailman). When I was looking at the > config files for each of the old lists - they have path > information in them. Will I have to manually edit these? The Mailman bin/move_list script should help you update the paths that are embedded in the list config.db files. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From ks_touray at fanafana.com Thu Aug 17 09:30:50 2000 From: ks_touray at fanafana.com (Katim S. Touray) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:30:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating multiple new lists, and one-page subscriber interface Message-ID: <399B94A9.DAB85B10@fanafana.com> Hi there, I have two questions: 1. Does anyone have a script for automating the creation of many new lists, or would the newest version of Mailman do it? I would like to create number of new lists, and the prospect of having to do it by hand daunts me! 2. Has anyone implemented a one-page subscriber interface to Mailman. What I want is a facility for people to be able to subscribe/unsubscribe and set their subscription options from one page, rather than having to go from one list to the next (if they're subscribed to more than one list). Ideally, the options would all be set or re-set by check boxes and/or radio buttons, for ease of use. Please let me know if you can help with any or both of the above features. Have a great weekend, and best wishes. Sincerely, Katim S. Touray ks_touray at fanafana.com From abingham at lips.utexas.edu Thu Aug 17 08:00:16 2000 From: abingham at lips.utexas.edu (Austin Bingham) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:00:16 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mystery HTML in subscribe results page Message-ID: I have noticed some odd behavior in the results page shown to people who have just subscribed to my lists. It appears that something is inserting "extra" HTML into the data sent to the subscriber's browser. If is what I am expecting my page to contain, including and tags, this is what gets returned to the browser: As a result, the browser (so far IE, Netscape, and Opera) gets a little confused and doesn't display things very well. We have made extensive modifications to the HTML on this page, but it does not seem to be related to anything in our code. I've run the experiment where the HTML for the subscribe page is this:

Subscription results

I get the same results that I get when there is all sorts of fancy stuff around the mailman tags. So, I am stuck with the possibility that something in mailman or my webserver is tacking on this extra stuff. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Does this sound like any bug you might have seen before? It would even help me if someone authoratative told me that this is *not* a bug in mailman :) Thanks in advance for any help. Austin Bingham Laboratory for Intelligent Processes and Systems University of Texas at Austin abingham at lips.utexas.edu From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Aug 17 08:01:38 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 23:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating multiple new lists, and one-page subscriber interface In-Reply-To: <399B94A9.DAB85B10@fanafana.com> References: <399B94A9.DAB85B10@fanafana.com> Message-ID: At 12:30 AM -0700 8/17/00, Katim S. Touray wrote: >2. Has anyone implemented a one-page subscriber interface to Mailman. What I >want is a facility for people to be able to subscribe/unsubscribe >and set their >subscription options from one page, rather than having to go from one list to >the next (if they're subscribed to more than one list). Ideally, the options >would all be set or re-set by check boxes and/or radio buttons, for >ease of use. I'm (slowly) working on redesigns of the user and admin interfaces, and I'm also trying to come up with a new way to handle how messages and pages are generated. There are various places where (IMHO, of course) the structure gets a bit sideways or convoluted and doesn't scale to large sites or sites with users on multiple lists (or multiple admins with shared responsibilities...) I'd be curious what you'd like to see in this, to see how well it syncs up with what I'm thinking... The basic design weakness in mailman is that the center of the universe is the list. That's perfectly okay if you have one list, or a few, or lists that are more or less independent of each other. But try having 35 lists where on average users are on 4-5 lists, where each list has at least two listops and everyone needs to keep track of which password goes where -- it gets ugly fast. In reality, the center of universe should be the *user*. Right now, lists have subscribers. In my view, users should have subscriptions. you clean up a lot of confusion and ugliness from the point of view of the end users. Easily 90% of the problems I'm debugging now boil down to pilot errors caused by confusion over user passwords, because people on multiple lists don't realize they have a separate password per list, or simply can't keep them all straight. It really shows the need for the user to have a password to the server, which gives them access to all of their subscriptions. What I find nice is that when I dumped my user base into mailman with basically nothing but the documentation mailman gives them and no real coaching, they've been able to deal with it pretty sucessfully. That's very encouraging, but I'm about to do a survey to see if there are hidden problems I haven't seen yet.... But it went quite painlessly. Other than the password confusions (of which it's all over the map, but it boils down to just not being clear to them which password goes where when...), the only other thing that's caused significant pain was that everyone had digest mode switched off when they moved to the new server, and despite multiple warnings and notes telling them what to do, some simply don't pay attention. But you can only idiot proof so far... -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From matthewf at orac.frost.net Thu Aug 17 16:22:47 2000 From: matthewf at orac.frost.net (Matthew Frost) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:22:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Anyone else had spam? In-Reply-To: <20000810182448.A3393@marticus.louisville.edu>; from marticus@louisville.edu on Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 06:24:48PM -0400 References: <399312D8.D14E84A1@nandomedia.com> <20000810214536.D87682@orac.frost.net> <20000810182448.A3393@marticus.louisville.edu> Message-ID: <20000817152247.C32891@orac.frost.net> On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 06:24:48PM -0400, Derek E Mart wrote: > * Matthew Frost (matthewf at orac.frost.net) [000810 16:49]: > > Look carefully at http://www.python.org/mailman/roster/mailman-users > > and you will find the spammer is a member of this mailing list... > > Ok, and it's still there... is there any reason this person should > remain on this list? Not when his account has been nuked by his ISP (just had confirmation that it was nuked last Thursday after they received the spam reports.) Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Frost http://www.frost.org/ email: matthew at frost.org "H STOP in INPUT, 50:1" From marticus at louisville.edu Thu Aug 17 18:16:48 2000 From: marticus at louisville.edu (Derek E Mart) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:16:48 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender: problem Message-ID: <20000817121648.A430@marticus.louisville.edu> There is a user who has been using a list for a long time now, and just recently has not been able to get through. It says he is not on the list, but he is, however, the list thinks he is sending directly from my mail server. I think something somewhere is setting the Sender: header to his.username at my.hostname and this might be causing problems (I don't really know). This person sent a message directly to me and I got the same result. Has anyone seen this before? Recently I set up my mail server to use a smart relay and I am using mailman 1.1 that came with SuSE 6.3 -- Derek E. Mart "Marticus" - Systems Programmer II U of L - Electrical & Computer Engineering Project - http://www.marticus.org/ PGP Key Fingerprint = AA C4 72 14 97 6F 14 14 B3 9C BB 6E D8 71 9A 67 From steve at maller.com Thu Aug 17 18:58:04 2000 From: steve at maller.com (Steve Maller) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:58:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] moved server, mailman is broken In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D05F8@EMAIL> References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D05F8@EMAIL> Message-ID: on 8/16/00 at 2:04 PM -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote: >Stick hacking away at this, and coming up with more questions. From >mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py, I see this: > ># SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect' >SMTPHOST = 'localhost' > >Can somebody tell me what they have for this settings? I suspect that >things may be happier if I change this, but I don't know. When I compile >the mailman RPM, it defaults all hostnames to localhost, so that's probably >why it's set to localhost. Thanks, For some reason localhost didn't work for me, either, so I changed it to my server's FQDN (fully-qualified domain name) and hard-coded SMTPPORT = 25, too. Everything seems happy now. -- Steve Maller http://www.maller.com The optimist thinks that this is the best of all possible worlds, and the pessimist knows it. --J. Robert Oppenheimer From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Thu Aug 17 18:59:11 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:59:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration HELP Message-ID: Ok, I moved all of the folders in the "lists" folder of my old machine to the new one. Then I copied the aliases from the old /etc/aliases file to the new one. Then, I ran newaliases. Then, I ran a /home/mailman/bin/update. Now, when I go to my browser, it gives me errors, nothing works. What happened? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Tittsler [mailto:jwt at OnJapan.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 11:03 PM To: Meredith, Robert Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Migration HELP On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:33:11PM -0600, Meredith, Robert wrote: > Now, I want to migrate my mailing lists from my old server to the new one. > My old server is running Mailman v1.1. I have approximately 30 lists on > this box. I have tried and tried to do this, with no success. I would try copying over the old list configurations and then running 'make update' to attempt to update them to the current format. (First you will probably need to change the data/last_mailman_version file which is a hex string representing the current (or "old" in your case) version number in hex.) > One problem that I am having is this, my old server had > mailman installed in a non-standard location (my new server > has it installed in /home/mailman). When I was looking at the > config files for each of the old lists - they have path > information in them. Will I have to manually edit these? The Mailman bin/move_list script should help you update the paths that are embedded in the list config.db files. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Thu Aug 17 19:20:57 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:20:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list Message-ID: What is the proper syntax for this utility? My mailman is installed at /home/mailman (lists are in the "lists" folder). I am assumming I run bin/move_lists but then what do I put? -----Original Message----- From: Tony Hoyle [mailto:tmh at magenta-logic.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 5:10 AM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list I have just re-installed our local mailserver, and switched distributions to debian. Previously I had mailman at /home/mailman, but debian installs it at /var/lib/mailman. I copied the list data across and changed any text files with absolute paths (the .lock files). However I've found the list path is coded into the config.db, which is binary. Is there a script available which will change this? Tony ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From claw at nuron.com Thu Aug 17 19:45:25 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 10:45:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] fetch attachments from web page of archive In-Reply-To: Message from "iap_y2fun.com" of "Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:41:36 +0800." <000e01c00805$6e167c80$6601a8c0@y2fun.com> References: <000e01c00805$6e167c80$6601a8c0@y2fun.com> Message-ID: <29332.966534325@nuron.com> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:41:36 +0800 iap y2fun com wrote: > Hi, all I am new to mailman. I would like to know if there is any > way to decode "multipart" messages into its' parts and displayed > on the html page of the archive. (may be a "link" to fetch it). This is not a feature of Mailman, but there are other external archivers, such as MHonArc that do this which you can use. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From davec at pathwaynet.com Thu Aug 17 20:33:21 2000 From: davec at pathwaynet.com (Dave C.) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender: problem In-Reply-To: <20000817121648.A430@marticus.louisville.edu> Message-ID: More likely he recently switch mail clients or something changed at his end, and his client or server is inestering a Sender: header *without* any domain part, and your server is adding its own domain. In a way, both systems are broken - his should always add a correct domain to any addresses, your should not add its own to addresses in headers on received messages.. On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Derek E Mart wrote: > There is a user who has been using a list for a long time now, and just > recently has not been able to get through. It says he is not on the > list, but he is, however, the list thinks he is sending directly from my > mail server. I think something somewhere is setting the Sender: header > to his.username at my.hostname and this might be causing problems (I don't > really know). This person sent a message directly to me and I got the > same result. Has anyone seen this before? Recently I set up my mail > server to use a smart relay and I am using mailman 1.1 that came with > SuSE 6.3 > > -- ------- Dave C. Network Engineer PathWay Computing, Inc. From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Aug 17 20:55:14 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:55:14 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list References: Message-ID: <399C3512.8C64FFCB@west.sun.com> "Meredith, Robert" wrote: > > What is the proper syntax for this utility? My mailman is installed at > /home/mailman (lists are in the "lists" folder). I am assumming I run > bin/move_lists but then what do I put? Did you try "bin/move_list"? Or "bin/move_list -h"? Or "bin/move_list --help"? Or even "vi bin/move_list"? Any one of those would have answered your own question immediately, completely, and without need to bother anyone else or wait for their answer... Please, people, don't park your self-sufficiency just because a mailing list exists. From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Thu Aug 17 20:58:49 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:58:49 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list Message-ID: SORRY for "bothering" you. I am a complete newby at unix/linux type stuff and am having one h$ll of a time trying to figure this crap out. Thanks for the help though. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Mick [mailto:Dan.Mick at west.sun.com] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:55 PM To: Meredith, Robert Cc: mailman-users at python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing location of mailing list "Meredith, Robert" wrote: > > What is the proper syntax for this utility? My mailman is installed at > /home/mailman (lists are in the "lists" folder). I am assumming I run > bin/move_lists but then what do I put? Did you try "bin/move_list"? Or "bin/move_list -h"? Or "bin/move_list --help"? Or even "vi bin/move_list"? Any one of those would have answered your own question immediately, completely, and without need to bother anyone else or wait for their answer... Please, people, don't park your self-sufficiency just because a mailing list exists. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From paz at apriori.net Fri Aug 18 03:53:47 2000 From: paz at apriori.net (paz) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I get rid of an admin request? Message-ID: I keep getting a daily Administrative reminder from Mailman about a posting request to a closed mail list. I've checked the posting request; it's spam from a spammer. The message contains a pile of html, however, and when I try to use the "Discard (e.g., spam)" option to dismiss the posting request, Mailman spits out an oops message. The admin request just keeps showing up every day; there doesn't seem to be any normal way for me to dismiss it. Can I empty a queue or something like that to toss out the garbage so that I will stop getting the "1 (insert listname here) admin request(s) waiting" messages? I've poked around in Mailman but can't find anything that I can clear or reset. Thanks - -- Philip. philip zimmermann paz at apriori.net -- DISCLAIMER: Anyone sending me unsolicited commercial electronic mail automatically agrees to be held to the following legal terms: US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Fri Aug 18 09:25:21 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 00:25:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta5 Message-ID: Dear mailman-user, Just installed mailman-2.0beta5 and am testing my first list, which I called mtesta, which I'm glad to report is working fine. However, the welcome message refers me to http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailmanadmin/mtesta and http://ag.arizona.edu/mailmanlistinfo/mtesta... I'll bet there's an easy way to fix this, but I haven't figured it out. In my Mailman/Defaults.py file, I have DEFAULT_URL = 'http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailman/' which contains the trailing /, which is what I thought might be the cause but clearly is not. I have not altered this file nor any of the files in the Mailman directory. The only hitch I had when installing mailman was when I ran bin/check_perms, I received the error message: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths So I copied the paths files from mailman-2.0beta5/misc to mailman-2.0beta5/bin and check_perms ran fine; even fixed one error. I wouldn't think these could be related except that the paths module was not in a place where it could be found by bin/check_perms; maybe it is not the right one? I guess I don't have any idea, but thought this info might help. Thanks for your help, Aaryn Olsson From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Fri Aug 18 10:21:52 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 01:21:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta5 In-Reply-To: <20000818164118.A20191@mail.dskk.co.jp> Message-ID: Jim--thanks for the quick reply and for the help. The problem I am referring to does not show its face on the actual list administration page. What I meant is that when I create a new mailman mailing list, the list administrator receives an email full of URLs to go to that have directories merged into one name, without '/' to separate mailman from listinfo or mailman from admin.. For instance, http://ag.arizona.edu/mailman/listinfo/mtesta becomes http://ag.arizona.edu/mailmanlistinfo/mtesta. So I edited the bin/newlist script and made the following changes: 'admin_url' : mlist.GetScriptURL('/admin', absolute=1), 'listinfo_url': mlist.GetScriptURL('/listinfo', absolute=1), Before, the first argument of GetScriptURL did not contain leading slashes. Sincerely, Aaryn On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Jim Tittsler wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:41:18 +0900 > From: Jim Tittsler > To: Aaryn Olsson > Cc: mailman-owner at Ag.Arizona.Edu > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman-2.0beta5 > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 12:25:21AM -0700, Aaryn Olsson wrote: > > Just installed mailman-2.0beta5 and am testing my first list, which I > > called mtesta, which I'm glad to report is working fine. However, the > > welcome message refers me to http://Ag.Arizona.Edu/mailmanadmin/mtesta > > and http://ag.arizona.edu/mailmanlistinfo/mtesta... > > You might double check that there is a trailing slash on the > "Base URL for Mailman web interface" on the list's General > Options administration page. I believe there was a fix to > enforce this just after beta5 was released. > > > -- > Jim Tittsler, Tokyo > Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ > From g8ecj at abmdata.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 18 10:23:13 2000 From: g8ecj at abmdata.demon.co.uk (Robin Gilks) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:23:13 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive inconsistances Message-ID: <00081808293100.00851@robin.localdomain> Greetings all Heres a good one for you Articles are being archived to the web databases, they are in the mbox file, in the text & gzip'ed text files but only appear in 2 out of the 4 indexes. Subject and Author are OK, Date and Thread indexes have the pointer to the articles missing. No errors in any log files so I'm stumped!! Another thing - how do people generally navigate, especially upwards. If I've gone to the list of archives, selected a date range, followed a thread for a few items, how do I then get back to the list of archives. If I use the 'back' on the browser then I may be going 5-10 pages back. Would it be straight forward to have a link on the article pages to the next level up and also a link from the list of articles to the list of archives... Not looked at the 'todo' list - maybe its already there... -- Robin Internet: g8ecj at abmdata.demon.co.uk http://www.gb7ipd.freeserve.co.uk/ Anorak mode = Shack: (+44) 1628 533311 Fax: (+44) 1628 850165 Club pages (g4xyw modem etc) at http://www.tvipug.freeserve.co.uk From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com Fri Aug 18 16:51:00 2000 From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help moving archives. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I need someone advice. I lost a hard drive which had all of my lists. I have a tar backup, can I just overlay what I had before on to the mailman directory? Thanks Luis From lra at insite.com.br Fri Aug 18 15:51:19 2000 From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:51:19 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I get rid of an admin request? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, paz wrote: > [...] > > The admin request just keeps showing up every day; there doesn't seem to > be any normal way for me to dismiss it. Can I empty a queue or something > like that to toss out the garbage so that I will stop getting the > "1 (insert listname here) admin request(s) waiting" messages? > > I've poked around in Mailman but can't find anything that I can clear or > reset. the low level way of eliminating post requests is (at least for mailman 1.1) # su - mailman $ python -i bin/withlist -l Loading list: (locked) >>> del m.requests['post'] >>> m.Save() >>> don't try this without reading bin/withlist to understand what it does, and it doesn't hurt to make a backup of mailman before you do it either. Regards, Leo From haroldp at sierraweb.com Fri Aug 18 19:29:06 2000 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:29:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Messages Message-ID: Howdy, I was trying to edit a couple of the error messages that Mailman send out - especially the "invalid email" when you sign up on the web page. I can find the strings in the source and change them, but they seem to be cached somewhere. Is this something easy to do, or do I have to be a Python expert? - H Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Aug 18 21:03:23 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:03:23 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Messages References: Message-ID: <399D887B.6BD73841@west.sun.com> Harold Paulson wrote: > > Howdy, > > I was trying to edit a couple of the error messages that Mailman send > out - especially the "invalid email" when you sign up on the web > page. I can find the strings in the source and change them, but they > seem to be cached somewhere. For each .py file there's a .pyc file (the "compiled" version). Once you make a change to the .py file, just delete the corresponding .pyc file; it will be recreated automagically the next time that code runs. From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com Fri Aug 18 21:16:37 2000 From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:16:37 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Messages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can some help with these problem? I just installed mailman (again) and I am getting these error messages. Any Ideas? sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner isupport"... Service unavailable From jkain at mail.orchardsoft.com Fri Aug 18 21:30:50 2000 From: jkain at mail.orchardsoft.com (Jeffrey Kain) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:30:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman 1.1 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000818142904.030e6e98@209.212.199.193> Hi, I've been using Mailman for awhile, and it was working well on our Redhat Linux box. This week I upgraded the hardware, and put a fresh copy of Mandrake 7.1 on the new machine, and I'm having trouble getting Mailman to work. The administrative web pages come up OK, check_perms reports everything is OK, and check_db reports that all my list databases are OK. When I send a message to a Mailman address, I get the following back from the mailer: From jkain at mail.orchardsoft.com Fri Aug 18 21:40:02 2000 From: jkain at mail.orchardsoft.com (Jeffrey Kain) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:40:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman 1.1 Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000818143114.030ebdf0@209.212.199.193> Hi, I've been using Mailman for awhile, and it was working well on our Redhat Linux box. This week I upgraded the hardware, and put a fresh copy of Mandrake 7.1 on the new machine, and I'm having trouble getting Mailman to work. The administrative web pages come up OK, check_perms reports everything is OK, and check_db reports that all my list databases are OK. When I send a message to a Mailman address, I get the errors shown at the end of this message returned back to me from the mailer. In /var/messages, I get this error: Aug 18 14:29:03 mail kernel: Security: denied hard link to 516.503 for UID 8, EUID 8, process python:9059 I'm running Mandrake Linux 7.1, Kernel 2.215-4mdk. Other versions: sendmail-8.9.3-Melissa-safe-2 apache-1.3.12-12mdk Thanks in advance for any help! Jeff (Here's the error text:) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post orchard-dev" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ? mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1]) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load self.Lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock self.__lock.lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted 554 "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post orchard-dev" ... unknown mailer error 1 From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Aug 18 21:47:57 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:47:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman 1.1 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000818143114.030ebdf0@209.212.199.193> Message-ID: <399D92ED.D34A232B@west.sun.com> This certainly seems relevant, from README.LINUX: If you are running secure_linux, you probably have restricted hardlinks turned on. Gergely Madarasz says that this not only restricts hardlinks in /tmp, but also in any non +t directory. This can cause "Operation not permitted" errors in MailList.Save() -- you will see a traceback. You must turn restricted hardlinks off. Jeffrey Kain wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been using Mailman for awhile, and it was working well on our Redhat > Linux box. This week I upgraded the hardware, and put a fresh copy of > Mandrake 7.1 on the new machine, and I'm having trouble getting Mailman to > work. > > The administrative web pages come up OK, check_perms reports everything is > OK, and check_db reports that all my list databases are OK. When I send a > message to a Mailman address, I get the errors shown at the end of this > message returned back to me from the mailer. In /var/messages, I get this > error: > > Aug 18 14:29:03 mail kernel: Security: denied hard link to 516.503 for UID > 8, EUID 8, process python:9059 > > I'm running Mandrake Linux 7.1, Kernel 2.215-4mdk. Other versions: > > sendmail-8.9.3-Melissa-safe-2 > apache-1.3.12-12mdk > > Thanks in advance for any help! > > Jeff > > (Here's the error text:) > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post orchard-dev" > (expanded from: ) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ? > mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1]) > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 62, in __init__ > self.Load() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 804, in Load > self.Lock() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1373, in Lock > self.__lock.lock() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 186, in lock > os.link(self.__lockfile, self.__tmpfname) > OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted > 554 "| /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post orchard-dev" ... unknown mailer error 1 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From tal at research.bell-labs.com Fri Aug 18 21:48:46 2000 From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:48:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can someone explain the bounce options? References: <200004191552.RAA68826@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> Message-ID: <399D931E.DD04A668@research.bell-labs.com> These are the aliases that mailman 1.1 recommends: test: "|/opt/mailman-1.1/mail/wrapper post test" test-admin: "|/opt/mailman-1.1/mail/wrapper mailowner test" test-request: "|/opt/mailman-1.1/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" owner-test: test-admin test-owner: test-admin Shouldn't the "owner-" and "-owner" addresses go to the "wrapper mailowner" program? Otherwise the system isn't processing all the bounces. --tal From Vulch at kernow.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 18 22:17:10 2000 From: Vulch at kernow.demon.co.uk (Anthony Frost) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:17:10 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can someone explain the bounce options? In-Reply-To: <399D931E.DD04A668@research.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <697b29f049%Vulch@kerrier.vulch.org> In message <399D931E.DD04A668 at research.bell-labs.com> Tom Limoncelli wrote: > These are the aliases that mailman 1.1 recommends: > > test: "|/opt/mailman-1.1/mail/wrapper post test" > test-admin: "|/opt/mailman-1.1/mail/wrapper mailowner test" > test-request: "|/opt/mailman-1.1/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" > owner-test: test-admin > test-owner: test-admin > > Shouldn't the "owner-" and "-owner" addresses go to the "wrapper > mailowner" program? Otherwise the system isn't processing all the > bounces. Look at it carefully. "test-owner" is aliased to "test-admin", what is "test-admin" aliased to? Anthony From tal at research.bell-labs.com Fri Aug 18 22:28:39 2000 From: tal at research.bell-labs.com (Tom Limoncelli) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:28:39 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Can someone explain the bounce options? Message-ID: <20000818162838.A29157@starling.research.bell-labs.com> Oops, I didn't ask the question I meant to ask! (Obviously the owner- and -owner addresses get sent to the mailowner list). The ACTUAL question that I wanted to ask has been answered by looking at the source code. Never mind! Sorry for the wasted bandwidth! --tal From jkain at mail.orchardsoft.com Fri Aug 18 22:58:24 2000 From: jkain at mail.orchardsoft.com (Jeffrey Kain) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:58:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman 1.1 In-Reply-To: <399D92ED.D34A232B@west.sun.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000818143114.030ebdf0@209.212.199.193> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000818155549.030f1310@209.212.199.193> This machine is running secure Linux. Are the restricted hardlinks a configuration option, or does it require a new kernel? At 02:47 PM 08/18/00: >This certainly seems relevant, from README.LINUX: > >If you are running secure_linux, you probably have restricted >hardlinks turned on. Gergely Madarasz says that this not only >restricts hardlinks in /tmp, but also in any non +t directory. This >can cause "Operation not permitted" errors in MailList.Save() -- you >will see a traceback. You must turn restricted hardlinks off. From aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu Sat Aug 19 00:16:45 2000 From: aaryn at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Aaryn Olsson) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 15:16:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] urgent help Message-ID: We have a list in which every user is receiving the same message every minute. I have this in my logs: ############################# Aug 18 15:13:07 2000 (14306) Delivery exception: I/O operation on closed file Aug 18 15:13:07 2000 (14306) Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 82, in do_ pipeline func(mlist, msg, msgdata) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py", line 106, in pr ocess mlist.RegisterBounce(recip, msg, saveifdirty=0) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 144, in RegisterBounce self.HandleBouncingAddress(addr, msg) File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 242, in HandleBouncing Address msg.rewindbody() File "/usr/local/mail/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/rfc822.py", line 104, in rewin dbody self.fp.seek(self.startofbody) ValueError: I/O operation on closed file ############################# These are the last few lines of my smtp log: ############################# Aug 18 15:14:06 2000 (14459) smtp for 91 recips, completed in 1.213 seconds Aug 18 15:15:04 2000 (14650) smtp for 89 recips, completed in 1.120 seconds Aug 18 15:15:06 2000 (14650) smtp for 89 recips, completed in 1.158 seconds A############################# These are the last few lines of my post log: Aug 18 15:14:06 2000 (14459) post to arid_gardener from sramos at tusd.k12.az.us, s ize=548, 80 failures Aug 18 15:15:04 2000 (14650) post to arid_gardener from sramos at tusd.k12.az.us, s ize=548, 78 failures Aug 18 15:15:06 2000 (14650) post to arid_gardener from sramos at tusd.k12.az.us, s ize=548, 78 failures Aug 18 15:16:03 2000 (14792) post to arid_gardener from sramos at tusd.k12.az.us, s ize=548, 76 failures Aug 18 15:16:05 2000 (14792) post to arid_gardener from sramos at tusd.k12.az.us, s ize=548, 76 failures ############################# Please help! From Todd.Miller at courtesan.com Sat Aug 19 00:29:01 2000 From: Todd.Miller at courtesan.com (Todd C. Miller) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:29:01 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with Mailman2beta5 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:52:36 EDT." References: Message-ID: <200008182229.e7IMT2T16478@xerxes.courtesan.com> I found that certain messages were causing qrunner to hang when using the "SMTPdirect" backend and had to switch to the "Sendmail" backend. The Sendmail backend is slower since it sends more messages per process but decreasing MAX_CMDLINE in Sendmail.py helps that. - todd From mdunston at music.vt.edu Sat Aug 19 03:01:16 2000 From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (Michael Dunston) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 21:01:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can archives be built on existing mboxes? Message-ID: <20000819010116.26031@mail.music.vt.edu> I am planning on moving our lists over to Mailman and wondered if the existing mailboxes for these could be added into Mailman, rather than create new malboxes with the lists. These are standard unix mailbox files- is there any way to use them and have Mailman build archives from them? Thanks for any suggestions.. . . . . . . . . . . . Michael Dunston Music and Technology http://www.music.vt.edu Virginia Tech School of the Arts From jwt at OnJapan.net Sat Aug 19 13:53:13 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:53:13 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can archives be built on existing mboxes? In-Reply-To: <20000819010116.26031@mail.music.vt.edu>; from mdunston@music.vt.edu on Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:01:16PM -0400 References: <20000819010116.26031@mail.music.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20000819205313.B23865@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:01:16PM -0400, Michael Dunston wrote: > create new malboxes with the lists. These are standard unix > mailbox files- is there any way to use them and have Mailman > build archives from them? Yes. That is what 'bin/arch ' does. Please send the comments at its start (or run 'bin/arch -h'). You can prepend the old mbox to the archives/private/list.mbox/list.mbox file. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Sun Aug 20 01:44:01 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:44:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customize list admin pages? Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0618@EMAIL> Is there any way to customize the list admin pages? Most of our mailing lists don't need 1/2 the features of mailman, but I want list members to have the web interface, as all the services we're providing are web-based. Greg |---------------------------------------------------| | Windows NT has detected that there were no errors | | for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try | | to restart or crash. Click the OK button to | | continue. | | < Ok > | |---------------------------------------------------| (sigline nicked from Jayan M on comp.os.linux.misc) From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sun Aug 20 01:54:46 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 16:54:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Customize list admin pages? In-Reply-To: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0618@EMAIL> References: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0618@EMAIL> Message-ID: At 4:44 PM -0700 8/19/00, Gregory Leblanc wrote: >Is there any way to customize the list admin pages? Not without hacking the code. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From bug at aphid.net Sun Aug 20 07:25:10 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:25:10 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Messages In-Reply-To: ; from lacayo@exlibris-usa.com on Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 02:16:37PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20000820152510.B353@aphid.net> Check FAQ entries on smrsh. (or maybe in INSTALL) Chuck Wrote Luis F. Lacayo on Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 02:16:37PM -0500: > Can some help with these problem? > > I just installed mailman (again) and I am getting these error messages. Any > Ideas? > > > sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner isupport"... Service unavailable > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From paz at apriori.net Sun Aug 20 13:38:06 2000 From: paz at apriori.net (paz) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 07:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I get rid of an admin request? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: : On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, paz wrote: : : > [...] : > : > The admin request just keeps showing up every day; there doesn't seem to : > be any normal way for me to dismiss it. Can I empty a queue or something : > like that to toss out the garbage so that I will stop getting the : > "1 (insert listname here) admin request(s) waiting" messages? : > : > I've poked around in Mailman but can't find anything that I can clear or : > reset. : : the low level way of eliminating post requests is (at least for mailman : 1.1) : : # su - mailman : $ python -i bin/withlist -l : Loading list: (locked) : >>> del m.requests['post'] : >>> m.Save() : >>> : : don't try this without reading bin/withlist to understand what it does, : and it doesn't hurt to make a backup of mailman before you do it either. : : Regards, Leo Okay, thanks - Actually, I'm running 1.09b, so it doesn't have bin/withlist available. It's been running fine ever since 1.09b was introduced without a hitch, so I figured, not broken, so don't fix it... Well, this time, I can't figure out how to fix it! Heh... I might give a shot at loading 2.x over the top of this thing, but I haven't successfully loaded the latest version on a server at work yet, so I figured I'd wait until I could at least do that correctly. Meanwhile, I rummaged thoughout the system to try to find a mail message queue, to no avail. I guess I'll ignore the requests until I can upgrade the program. cheers - -- Philip. From pmm at igtc.com Sun Aug 20 19:35:53 2000 From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 10:35:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I change default volume & digest number? Message-ID: <20000820103553.E6295@igtc.igtc.com> Hi, I've dug through the archives. I've persued the sources, but I'll be darned if I can find how to change the default digest & volume numbers. This is the last little bit I need to do before converting some very old lists from majordomo to mailman. Two of my lists are currently at volume 7 and one other is at volume 4 (each volume representing one year). I'm loath to reset them to v1 #1. Any help would be greatly appreciated! - Paul - From wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 20 19:55:11 2000 From: wilsong at sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu (Gary Wilson) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 13:55:11 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscriber bug? References: <20000820103553.E6295@igtc.igtc.com> Message-ID: <012b01c00acf$c96632c0$0a00a8c0@home> Hi, I can't find why this is happening. There is a subscriber who was unsubbed but is still getting everything. If I look at the membership lists, the address isn't only any of the admin membership pages. But if I extract a list of subscribers, the address is there. This is version 2.0beta5. Anyone have any idea how this could happen? Gary From jwt at OnJapan.net Mon Aug 21 05:21:12 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:21:12 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I change default volume & digest number? In-Reply-To: <20000820103553.E6295@igtc.igtc.com>; from pmm@igtc.com on Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 10:35:53AM -0700 References: <20000820103553.E6295@igtc.igtc.com> Message-ID: <20000821122112.A28134@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Sun, Aug 20, 2000 at 10:35:53AM -0700, Paul M. Moriarty wrote: > I've dug through the archives. I've persued the sources, but I'll be > darned if I can find how to change the default digest & volume numbers. The volume and next_digest_number are stored in the config.db of each mailing list. You should be able to use the bin/withlist tool to adjust the starting numbers: (withlist loads the list configuration into the object 'm'): $ python -i bin/withlist -l mylist Loading list: mylist (locked) >>> print m.volume 1 >>> m.volume=4 >>> m.next_digest_number=12 >>> m.Save() >>> m.Unlock() >>> -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com Mon Aug 21 07:39:15 2000 From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:39:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting unwanted messages from the archives. In-Reply-To: <20000821122112.A28134@mail.dskk.co.jp> Message-ID: Can anyone tell me if there is a way to delete unwanted messages from an archive? thanks From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com Mon Aug 21 07:48:32 2000 From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 22:48:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting unwanted messages from the archives. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry folks. Please ignore..... -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Luis F. Lacayo Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 10:39 PM To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting unwanted messages from the archives. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to delete unwanted messages from an archive? thanks ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ljacobs at shambhala.com Mon Aug 21 07:03:34 2000 From: ljacobs at shambhala.com (Leonard Jacobs) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:03:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] outgoing message wedged in the queue Message-ID: <200008210103.AA346489784@kalapa.shambhala.com> Mailman users -- I have been running Mailman 2.0beta4 on a Sun OS 5.7 with python 1.5.2 and sendmail 8. Everything seemed to be going along fine with several smallish test lists I had set up, and so I decided to transfer one of my larger (~3,500 names) to Mailman. I ran the command line script to add the members, and they seemed to have received the welcome message fine. However, when I tried emailing this new list several days later, somehow the message got wedged and kept getting mailed to this same group, each member receiving around 25 copies (or more!) of the same message! Once I discovered this problem, I tried to stop the mailing by removing the message in the data directory, deleting the qfiles, turning off the cron call to qrunner, and deleting all messages in the mail queue. Nothing worked and the messages kept queing up. Then I removed all the members from the list, running the remove member script. This also did not stop the mail. Finally I deleted the aliases for the new list in the aliases file and reran newalises. This stopped the mail storm. So my questions are: 1. Any clues as to the cause of this multiple message dilemma? 2. Is there a simple way to stop Mailman messages from being mailed, once the process begins? Thanks for any help and advice. ============================================== Leonard Jacobs Shambhala Publications (617) 424-0030 From leith12 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 21 15:53:57 2000 From: leith12 at hotmail.com (leith parkin) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:53:57 LHST Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footer Message-ID: Hi, Im running Mailman version 2.0beta5. I have my lists set up to produce a header and a footer, yet they are blantantly being ignored by mailman. No header or footer is being put on the message Ideas? Leith ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From leith.parkin at selector.com Mon Aug 21 08:53:02 2000 From: leith.parkin at selector.com (Leith Parkin) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:53:02 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Headers and Footer Message-ID: <008b01c00b3c$73789700$3f19a8c0@archmedia.com.au> Thanks for the pointer to the Decorate.py However i know nothing about python or how to implement this header.txt and footer.txt feature. If someone could provide me with some quick code i would be very grateful Thanks Leith Parkin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000821/99c5b60b/attachment.htm From vincent.denis at rightvision.com Mon Aug 21 16:33:25 2000 From: vincent.denis at rightvision.com (Vincent DENIS) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:33:25 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to change default hostname ... Message-ID: Hi, I just start to use mailman ... I have't found in the (small) documentation, how to change the default hostname in the 'from' and 'to' fields. Thanks for any response on my newbi question ;-) Vincent From lra at insite.com.br Mon Aug 21 17:18:01 2000 From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:18:01 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] header and footer In-Reply-To: <00c601c00b3e$82328240$3f19a8c0@archmedia.com.au> Message-ID: Try to post the values of the header and footer fields so that we can see if there is any error. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Leith Parkin wrote: > Actually my error logs are now report > > Aug 21 16:47:10 2000 (72201) Exception while calculating message header: > ' (0xd)rted format character ' > Aug 21 17:03:05 2000 (72364) Exception while calculating message header: > ' (0xd)rted format character ' > > > using the default suggested fieldnames in the non-digest header and footer options > > > From vincent.denis at rightvision.com Mon Aug 21 17:28:38 2000 From: vincent.denis at rightvision.com (Vincent DENIS) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:28:38 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to change default hostname ... In-Reply-To: <39A146C6.FFB8CFD3@primus.com.au> Message-ID: I have check my configuration with sendmail -bv vdenis at list.mydomain the response was : vdenis at mydomain... deliverable: mailer esmtp, host test.mydomain., user vdenis at test.mydomain test.mydomain is the main hostaneme ans list.mydomain is an alias is it an sendmail option to modify ? Vincent -----Message d'origine----- De : Leith Parkin [mailto:lparkin at primus.com.au] Envoy? : lundi 21 ao?t 2000 17:12 ? : Vincent DENIS Objet : Re: [Mailman-Users] how to change default hostname ... Start up your mailing list admin page, on general options, near the bottom it has hostname this list prefers. Put your correct hostname in here. But make sure you have the correct aliases for this in your MTA. One way to check (i use sendmail) is to run sendmail -bv list at server ... if you get something like "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper blah blah blah" then your in business Leith Parkin Vincent DENIS wrote: > Hi, > > I just start to use mailman ... > I have't found in the (small) documentation, how to change the default > hostname in the 'from' and 'to' fields. > > Thanks for any response on my newbi question ;-) > > Vincent > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From lra at insite.com.br Mon Aug 21 17:37:54 2000 From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:37:54 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can I get rid of an admin request? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you are afraid of moving to the 2.0 series try mailman 1.1. It has withlist. On the other hand, if you feel adventurous, you might try copying withlist from mailman 1.1. It will probably work 'cause it will import the functions from your current version. Another options is to hack some python yourself. Read about the marshal module on you python docs (or in www.pythons.org/doc/current/lib/module-marshal.html). The .db file is the marshalisation (is that a word?) of a python dictionary. Unfortunately those are the only ways 'cause the pending posts aren't stored in external files (at least up until version 1.0 which I have), they are written inside the .db file for the list. On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, paz wrote: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Leonardo Rochael Almeida wrote: > > : On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, paz wrote: > : > : > [...] > : > > : > The admin request just keeps showing up every day; there doesn't seem to > : > be any normal way for me to dismiss it. Can I empty a queue or something > : > like that to toss out the garbage so that I will stop getting the > : > "1 (insert listname here) admin request(s) waiting" messages? > : > > : > I've poked around in Mailman but can't find anything that I can clear or > : > reset. > : > : the low level way of eliminating post requests is (at least for mailman > : 1.1) > : > : # su - mailman > : $ python -i bin/withlist -l > : Loading list: (locked) > : >>> del m.requests['post'] > : >>> m.Save() > : >>> > : > : don't try this without reading bin/withlist to understand what it does, > : and it doesn't hurt to make a backup of mailman before you do it either. > : > : Regards, Leo > > > Okay, thanks - > > Actually, I'm running 1.09b, so it doesn't have bin/withlist available. > It's been running fine ever since 1.09b was introduced without a hitch, so > I figured, not broken, so don't fix it... Well, this time, I can't figure > out how to fix it! Heh... > > I might give a shot at loading 2.x over the top of this thing, but I > haven't successfully loaded the latest version on a server at work yet, so > I figured I'd wait until I could at least do that correctly. Meanwhile, I > rummaged thoughout the system to try to find a mail message queue, to no > avail. I guess I'll ignore the requests until I can upgrade the program. From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Mon Aug 21 17:53:57 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:53:57 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrong URL being sent...HELP Message-ID: I am having a problem with the wrong URL being sent out to my list admins but do not know where it is coming from. Here is a copy of the message: ---------------------------------------- To: partnering-admin at xxx.xxx.xxx Subject: 5 Partnering admin request(s) waiting The Partnering at xxx.xxx.xxx mailing list has 5 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://xxx.xxx.xxx/private/admindb/partnering Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending subscriptions: gaddison at xxx.xxx Thu Aug 17 11:59:48 2000 kgilmore at xxx.xxx Thu Aug 17 11:59:48 2000 rwhalen at xxx.xxx Thu Aug 17 11:59:48 2000 gaddison at xxx.xxx Thu Aug 17 11:59:48 2000 serge.vanasse at xxx.xxx Thu Aug 17 11:59:48 2000 ------------------------------------------ Basically, the url above is wrong. It says xxx/private and should say xxx/mailman. Where is this information stored at? I migrated these lists from an old server where xxx/private was the correct path. Any help is appreciated. -robert From Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU Mon Aug 21 18:00:56 2000 From: Doug.Hughes at Eng.Auburn.EDU (Doug Hughes) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:00:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a nice little RFE Message-ID: <200008211600.LAA15322@netman.eng.auburn.edu> For the next version, it would be handy if, under the member's options link, it would have a way to change their email address along with changing their password. The address change issues seem to be very common these days for some reason, and our users would really love this capability. DOug From matt at mail.ltlb.com Mon Aug 21 19:04:48 2000 From: matt at mail.ltlb.com (Matt Starnes) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:04:48 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Permission denied problem again Message-ID: <39A16130.E11441AA@mail.ltlb.com> I am getting the following error all of the sudden. The original message was received at Mon, 21 Aug 2000 11:40:22 -0500 from 216.87.33.2.primary.net [216.87.33.2] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd finance_pcpa" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd finance_pcpa"... Can't create output: Permission denied Mailman has been working fine for about three weeks now. I was originally getting this error message about four weeks ago when I first tried installing mailman. I rebuilt the enitre system from scratch and reinstalled sendmail and mailman and things worked fine. Now this morning someone tried responding to a subscription confirmation and the above is what they (and I when I try) are getting. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Matt Starnes From gopher at aol.net Mon Aug 21 19:52:04 2000 From: gopher at aol.net (Chris Snyder) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 13:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help moving archives. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Luis F. Lacayo wrote: >I need someone advice. > >I lost a hard drive which had all of my lists. I have a tar backup, can I >just overlay what I had before on to the mailman directory? > >Thanks > I should work. Assuming: 1) All your ownerships and perms are the same as the tar ball. 2) your /etc/aliases is correct for all the lists you have in the tarball I've done tarballs and exploded them over exsisting directories and that works ok. Chris. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". From leo at dicea.unifi.it Mon Aug 21 20:04:46 2000 From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:04:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help moving archives. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For your peace: i did a similar thing some minutes ago and all went OK, so just restore it .... On debian potato it is better first restore the list, then installa mailman. On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Chris Snyder wrote: > On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Luis F. Lacayo wrote: > > >I need someone advice. > > > >I lost a hard drive which had all of my lists. I have a tar backup, can I > >just overlay what I had before on to the mailman directory? > > > >Thanks > > > > I should work. > > Assuming: > > 1) All your ownerships and perms are the same as the tar ball. > > 2) your /etc/aliases is correct for all the lists you have in the tarball > > I've done tarballs and exploded them over exsisting directories and that > works ok. > > Chris. > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > Chris Snyder -- gopher at aol.net -- WebOps SysAdmin -- America Online > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From klaus at compt.com Mon Aug 21 20:57:43 2000 From: klaus at compt.com (Klaus Steden) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] weird mailman error (delivery failures) Message-ID: <20000821145742.D72246@cthulu.compt.com> Hi, We run a number of mailing lists here with Mailman; the MTA/MUA combination is sendmail 8.9.3/procmail 3.14. For two, (and presumably all) of our mailing lists, the following behaviour has started occurring, or at least, is starting to be noticed. Someone is trying to circulate a jpeg file, about 150 KB, to one of the mailing lists; the list is 200+ people. It shows up in the mail queue; it shows up in the mailman archives; it never gets delivered. There is no maximum message size for either Mailman or procmail, and the size limit for sendmail is an order of magnitude larger. I can see the message on disk in mailman's data directory while 'deliver' and 'contact_transport' are running; there are no errors reported in the 'error' log, although SMTP failures show up (not consistently) in the 'smtp-failures' file - timeouts - but again, these aren't consistent. I'm not seeing any failure notification from sendmail; procmail never logs the message delivery attempt (presumably, that never happens). The message can't have just disappeared into the ether. Has anyone seen this before? Does anyone have any helpful hints/tips/tricks/answers/advice? I'm stumped. fwiw, it's a FreeBSD system (with the POSIX fcntl patch for Python) running Mailman 1.0. desperate, Klaus From xela at MIT.EDU Mon Aug 21 22:45:56 2000 From: xela at MIT.EDU (Alex) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 16:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only Message-ID: <200008212045.QAA01737@home-on-the-dome.mit.edu> Hi--- I'm just setting up mailman, and looking through Defaults.py noticed the DEFAULT_MEMBER_POSTING_ONLY option. This struck me as a good idea, and I was about to change it to 1 in my cfg.py when I noticed the comment above it: # Make it 1 when it works. Am I to take it from this that member_posting_only is an unstable or untested feature? And how much so? ---Alex Carl Alexander KD7GUR ------------- MIT (where Alex hangs out): xela at mit.edu Course VI (sometime special student) SIPB (prospective) Mitgaard ("honorary mold") MITSFS LSC (night worker) http://web.mit.edu/~xela ------------- Work (where they call me 'Carl'): carl at terc.edu Sr. Systems & Network Administrator, TERC http://www.terc.edu From cmurray at stargate.ca Tue Aug 22 00:36:25 2000 From: cmurray at stargate.ca (Chris Murray) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 15:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] slow admin access. Message-ID: Hi - I just setup mailman, but I am having troubles getting into the admin pages for the list. The url : xx.xx.com/mailman/admin/listname is really slow in bringing up a password box, one it does I enter the password and wait until my browser gives up. any ideas on what may be causing this? I am using beta5 with python 1.5.2 on RedHat Linux. Thanks - Chris cmurray at stargate.ca From jmackenzie at local.ie Tue Aug 22 01:36:36 2000 From: jmackenzie at local.ie (John MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 00:36:36 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] slow admin access. Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000822003635.00ed66ac@195.7.46.14> I've had the exact same issue for a long time, and no-one appears to know how to fix it. The one work-around that i use is to go into ~mailman/locks/ and remove the lockfile for the list you wish to enter. Its a bit brutal, but it works Regards - JOhn At 15:36 21/08/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hi - I just setup mailman, but I am having troubles getting into the admin >pages for the list. > >The url : xx.xx.com/mailman/admin/listname > >is really slow in bringing up a password box, one it does I enter the >password and wait until my browser gives up. > >any ideas on what may be causing this? I am using beta5 with python 1.5.2 >on RedHat Linux. > >Thanks >- Chris > >cmurray at stargate.ca > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > From johnt at fizzylab.com Tue Aug 22 02:08:39 2000 From: johnt at fizzylab.com (John Thornton) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs errors Message-ID: Has anyone experienced this error from checkdbs? Here's the error I get. Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 52, in main text = text + '\n' + pending_requests(mlist) File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 72, in pending_requests pending.append(' %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when)) TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Thanks ~J From jwt at OnJapan.net Tue Aug 22 03:10:19 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:10:19 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs errors In-Reply-To: ; from johnt@fizzylab.com on Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 05:08:39PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000822101019.D32685@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 05:08:39PM -0700, John Thornton wrote: > Has anyone experienced this error from checkdbs? Yes, so many people I believe it has already been fixed in more recent releases. :-) > File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 72, in pending_requests > pending.append(' %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when)) > TypeError: not enough arguments for format string Try adding the missing parens to make that line: pending.append(' %s %s' % (addr, time.ctime(when))) Or install a newer Mailman. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From bug at aphid.net Tue Aug 22 10:09:48 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:09:48 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resource usage of qrunner Message-ID: <20000822180948.A15510@aphid.net> Dear Mailmen, How vital is the minutely run qrunner process? I'm assuming I could knock it back to 5 or 10 minutes without too many ill effects? The reason is that I have 3 mailman installations on my virtual hosting server, and the box is getting rather overloaded. The mailman processes every minute aren't helping things. Then again maybe upgrading from the P166 that it is could help things, but I'd still like to conserve resource usage. Regards, Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From chuqui at plaidworks.com Tue Aug 22 16:26:43 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 07:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Resource usage of qrunner In-Reply-To: <20000822180948.A15510@aphid.net> References: <20000822180948.A15510@aphid.net> Message-ID: >How vital is the minutely run qrunner process? I'm assuming I could >knock it back to 5 or 10 minutes without too many ill effects? you could, but that'd be like backing off cron. qrunner isn't the problem and changing this won't really change anything significant. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From erik at ifad.dk Tue Aug 22 18:26:12 2000 From: erik at ifad.dk (Erik Toubro Nielsen) Date: 22 Aug 2000 18:26:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail archive and quoted printable Message-ID: I moved some lists from majordomo to mailman, the archive was (re)created using ~mailman/bin/arch. It seems that pipermail does not handle quoted printables characters properly. Compare http://skrot.flug.dk/mail_archive/html-flug-announce-200008/msg00003.html to http://skrot.flug.dk/pipermail/flug-announce/2000-August/000565.html The old archive was created using MHonArc 2.4.6. What can I do to fix this? -- Erik Toubro Nielsen, From gaa at ulticom.com Tue Aug 22 20:38:59 2000 From: gaa at ulticom.com (Gary Algier) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:38:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rename Message-ID: <39A2C8C3.13B87CC9@ulticom.com> After using Mailman for a while, we want to rename a few mailing lists. How do I do that? I found something, "bin/move_list", however it only takes one argument. How do you change name with only one argument? -- Gary Algier, WB2FWZ gary.algier at ulticom.com +1 856 787 2758 Ulticom Inc., 1020 Briggs Rd, Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 Fax:+1 856 866 2033 This space intentionally left blank by the censors. From gaa at ulticom.com Tue Aug 22 22:53:14 2000 From: gaa at ulticom.com (Gary Algier) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rename References: <39A2C8C3.13B87CC9@ulticom.com> <39A2E1E7.786CBAE9@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <39A2E83A.D4D32168@ulticom.com> I must be dense or something. I will explain by example: Given a file "foo" one would rename (or move) it with a command: mv foo bar So, given the list "release-development" and I want to rename it to "release-development-group", I would do either: move_list release-development and it would read my mind for the new name? Or do I do: move_list release-development-group and it would read my mind for the old name? The usage says: Usage: move_list [options] listname Options: --help -h Print this help message and exit. And, yes if there was a: copy_list old-list new-list I could understand a: rmlist old-list ???? Ok, so I decided to try it on my test list: move_list mm-test And it looks like nothing happened! The list is still there. Dan Mick wrote: > > If you found bin/move_list, it's hard to believe you missed bin/rmlist, > but there's your answer. > > > After using Mailman for a while, we want to rename a few mailing lists. > > How do I do that? I found something, "bin/move_list", however it only > > takes one argument. How do you change name with only one argument? -- Gary Algier, WB2FWZ gary.algier at ulticom.com +1 856 787 2758 Ulticom Inc., 1020 Briggs Rd, Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 Fax:+1 856 866 2033 This space intentionally left blank by the censors. From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Wed Aug 23 00:44:59 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to rename Message-ID: <200008222244.PAA12926@utopia.west.sun.com> > I must be dense or something. No, I am; I see you've said "rename"; I just assumed from your "one name" that you meant "remove". Sorry. I didn't read what you typed at all. I'm so used to incredibly-obvious questions here that I missed a good one (yet another reason I'm such a pain about "read the docs first"...it prejudices people into believing no one has any good questions). I don't know how to rename a list. move_list is to update a hand-copied list to reflect the local mailman configuration. It may be possible, but probably only with a lot of hand-tweaking. If I were to try it, I'd: 0) dump the list config.db with bin/dumpdb lists/ and save it away 0.5) examine the files named after the list by find ~mailman -name -ls or your favorite variant, so I knew what filesystem records were there 1) copy the list data from lists/ to lists/ 2) copy the list archives from archives/private/ to archives/private/ 3) copy the archive links, if present, from archives/public/ to archives/public/ 4) try accessing through the admin pages to see what works and what doesn't 5) modify what in config.db seems to require it with bin/withlist and some hand-typed Python code (which isn't as scary as it sounds; you don't have to know Python to pull this off) But there doesn't seem to be a hand-wrapped solution, and there may be some pitfall in this that I don't know about, because I haven't tried it. From johnt at fizzylab.com Wed Aug 23 02:19:11 2000 From: johnt at fizzylab.com (John Thornton) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] checkdbs errors In-Reply-To: <20000822101019.D32685@mail.dskk.co.jp> Message-ID: Yes. adding the missing perens did the trick. thank you. ~J On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Jim Tittsler wrote: > On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 05:08:39PM -0700, John Thornton wrote: > > Has anyone experienced this error from checkdbs? > > Yes, so many people I believe it has already been fixed in more > recent releases. :-) > > > File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 72, in pending_requests > > pending.append(' %s %s' % addr, time.ctime(when)) > > TypeError: not enough arguments for format string > > Try adding the missing parens to make that line: > pending.append(' %s %s' % (addr, time.ctime(when))) > > Or install a newer Mailman. > > -- > Jim Tittsler, Tokyo > Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ > From liam at routt.net Wed Aug 23 10:12:47 2000 From: liam at routt.net (Liam Routt) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:12:47 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Message has implicit destination" Message-ID: <39A3877F.8FA6E619@routt.net> Hello, I'm new to this list, and have a problem I seem unable to shake. In a nutshell, I have a mailing list (set to be a private list with one non-list member who can post) where every message elicits an Admin Approval Required, with the reason: Message has implicit destination. For starters, I'm not really sure what the message means. But I thought it was related to having set the list up under a virtual domain that didn't actually have any mail accounts (nor the possibility of them). In the end I tried to use the list through the parent domain (which was processing the list just fine) and that worked except that all messages encountered this message. I figured that was because somewhere it thought it was being asked to send stuff to the virtual domain, or something. So I got rid of the list on the virtual domain and recreated in on the parent domain. And I get the same behaviour. I should probably add that I don't adminster the server on which these domains and lists are. Its a commercial operation that provides a lot of useful extras (like Mailman). But I'm hoping that perhaps this sort of problem has an easy fix from the mail admin level. Anyone able to offer some help? Take care, Liam -- Liam Routt liam at routt.net Darcsyde Productions http://www.routt.net/Caligari/ -- still waiting for the Absolute Destiny Apocalypse -- From root at theporch.com Wed Aug 23 13:28:11 2000 From: root at theporch.com (Phillip Porch) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 06:28:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] check_perms problem Message-ID: I am running the current cvs version of mailman which seems to be working OK in general but tried to run the check_perms command recently and received the following error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./check_perms", line 256, in ? checkall() File "./check_perms", line 116, in checkall os.path.walk(mm_cfg.PREFIX, checkwalk, STATE) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.0/posixpath.py", line 269, in walk func(arg, top, names) File "./check_perms", line 90, in checkwalk if path == private or (os.path.commonprefix((path, private)) == private File "/usr/local/lib/python2.0/posixpath.py", line 123, in commonprefix n[i] = n[i].split("/") TypeError: object doesn't support item assignment I am also running a cvs version of python so that is suspect also. This command did work in the past. Any suggestions on tracking this down? -- Phillip P. Porch NIC:PP1573 finger for http://www.theporch.com UTM - 16 514546E 3994565N GnuPG key From doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk Wed Aug 23 13:33:24 2000 From: doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk (Mike Richardson) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:33:24 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] slow admin access. In-Reply-To: ; from cmurray@stargate.ca on Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 03:36:25PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000823123324.C12615@kira.mcc.ac.uk> On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 03:36:25PM -0700, Chris Murray wrote: > Hi - I just setup mailman, but I am having troubles getting into the admin > pages for the list. > > The url : xx.xx.com/mailman/admin/listname > > is really slow in bringing up a password box, one it does I enter the > password and wait until my browser gives up. > > any ideas on what may be causing this? I am using beta5 with python 1.5.2 > on RedHat Linux. Could you be using an old version of the newlist/rmlist commands? Mike -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2000 Mike Richardson, Rm G98, Manchester Computing University of Manchester, M13 9PL. doctor at mcc.ac.uk, 0161 275-6009 -------------------------------------------------------------------- "If I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you!" - Chuck Norris "If anything happens to my daughter I have a 45 and shovel" Clueless From Luca.Bonomi at fysik.dtu.dk Wed Aug 23 14:53:42 2000 From: Luca.Bonomi at fysik.dtu.dk (Luca Bonomi) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:53:42 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] No message sent. All recipients refused: host not found Message-ID: <39A3C956.3064E9FC@fysik.dtu.dk> Hi! I've just installed mailman 2.0b5 on a Linux Redhat 6.2 I get to the point of creating a mailing list with the command "newlist", but after creation no message is sent to the mailing list administrator. I noticed that all the messages are spooled to "mailman/qfiles/" and in the "mailman/logs/smtp" file I see the message: All recipients refused: host not found And every minute the mailman cron job try to process the queued mails. I've correctly set a link in /etc/smrsh to point to the mailman wrapper. Finally, it looks like these mails never get to sendmail for delivery. Any hints? Thanks, Luca From marc at destek.net Wed Aug 23 16:22:38 2000 From: marc at destek.net (Marc Evans) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] webmin interface for mailman administration? Message-ID: Hello - Has anyone investigated or know of a webmin module that can be used to perform administrative functions, such as "newlist", "rmlist", and other functions in the ~mailman/bin directory? Please e-mail me directly, and I will summarize if anyone is interrested. Thanks in advance - Marc From thomas at ifi.uio.no Wed Aug 23 17:27:30 2000 From: thomas at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:27:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as spam generator Message-ID: On the Privacy admin page under "Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp" I've added several items and they work, but... when someone sends a spam message to 10 of my mailing lists, Mailman produces 10 new messages, one per list, about ten messages waiting for approval. And Mailman sends 10 such messages at least once or a couple of times a day. In other words: Mailman is a spam machine. It generates as much spam as the spammers themselves. What I want Mailman to do, is not to hold the posts with those header values for approval; I want Mailman to delete them, forward them to dev/null, without me ever having to see them or know about their shortlived existence. How can I make Mailman do that? Is it really impossible in current versions of Mailman? If so, this is a HUGE, GIANT FLAW in Mailman. Thomas Gramstad thomas at ifi.uio.no From kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm Wed Aug 23 17:48:07 2000 From: kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm (Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:48:07 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Message-ID: <00dc01c00d19$888ab8b0$5f9f82c2@pc125> Hello, I am trying to install mailman and I feel so much has been done so far but the stage I am at now, there is this problem coming up. When I enter: "make install" the installation is failing with the following error despite having installed python which is under /usr/local/bin. Which file can I edit to point the installtion script to the right path? Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/tempfile.py ... Compiling /home/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ... No such file or directory: python Kind regards, Wilbroad From chuqui at plaidworks.com Wed Aug 23 19:25:25 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:25:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as spam generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 5:27 PM +0200 8/23/00, Thomas Gramstad wrote: >How can I make Mailman do that? Is it really impossible in >current versions of Mailman? If so, this is a HUGE, GIANT >FLAW in Mailman. If the feature is that important to you, grab a book on python and start coding. I'd like what you want, too. But there are higher priorities on my list. It'll get done eventually, I guess. But the joy of open source is that you not only can use it, you can improve it. Oh, and you have a funky definition of spam, IMHO. Mailman isn't generating spam. it's doing what it's supposed to do -- tell the admin something is there for evaluation. That ain't spam. Now, what you want mailman to do, which is be smart enough to recognize and throw out spam, is a great idea. But it's easier said than done. Just ask the guys writing anti-spam code for sendmail and the other MTA's (which is, IMHO, where anti-spam stuff ought to be anyway. Keep it off the site in the first place) -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From brett at iclick.com Thu Aug 24 01:15:49 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:15:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating to a new host Message-ID: One of the most difficult things I've done is try to move mailman. I have several lists which are used internally and need to move to a new host. The question is...what's the best way or tried+true way to move mailman around? Much appreciated, Brett -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer CFN(formerly iClick, Inc) 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com PGP Fingerprint: 06C2 5D5B D2B4 7626 BB24 2BBC 9E4A C8B3 PGP Key location: http://pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net/pgp/brett.pgp From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 24 01:22:27 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating to a new host Message-ID: <200008232321.QAA18087@utopia.west.sun.com> I've had success with installing mailman on the new machine, moving "lists/" and "archives/" wholesale, and using bin/move_list if the home dir has changed (say, from /export/home/mailman to /home/mailman or some such) > One of the most difficult things I've done is try to move mailman. > > I have several lists which are used internally and need to move to a > new host. The question is...what's the best way or tried+true way to > move mailman around? From dgc at uchicago.edu Thu Aug 24 01:53:56 2000 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:53:56 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Upgrade strategy? Message-ID: <20000823185356.Q24855@smack.uchicago.edu> I haven't been following the 2.0 beta bug list lately, and I need some upgrade advice. We want to upgrade our Mailman installation to 2.0 for the coming year. It's not plain to me that a 2.0 release will be available before classes resume in mid-September, though, so I'm considering an interim upgrade to a 2.0 beta now, while our active user count is low, and a final upgrade to 2.0 later on. We're running 1.0rc2 now, and don't really want to run another academic year on pre-release code -- especially not this one -- so an upgrade seems essential. Does this seem reasonable to people who've used the 2.0 series so far? Are there any major problems to watch out for in the current beta version, such that it would make more sense to wait and do the whole thing at once -- even if that's *after* school starts and all our users are back in full swing? We might settle for 1.1 that's the overwhelmingly preferred answer, but since 2.0 contains fixes we're kind of counting on, we'd rather not. Thanks. -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From geordon.marchak at nssmb.com Thu Aug 24 03:23:47 2000 From: geordon.marchak at nssmb.com (Joe Marchak) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:23:47 +0900 (JST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Japanese fonts Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to this list, so I'm not sure if this has already been covered,b but we have found a problem with mailman in translating Japanese to HTML. The character string "!<" gets translated to "!<", which breaks the Japanese font. Is there a fix for this? Thanks, -Joe Marchak. From e.ehlers at nikocity.de Thu Aug 24 13:57:35 2000 From: e.ehlers at nikocity.de (Elwin Ehlers) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] at/@ on the Subscribers site Message-ID: <39A50DAF.57F2E7AB@nikocity.de> Hey, when i open the Subscribers site on /cgi-bin/mailman/roster/thelist i see in the mailaddress from the users a at and not a @. What is the way to change this. bye Elwin From nlee at eti.com Thu Aug 24 16:30:30 2000 From: nlee at eti.com (Noah Lee) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 09:30:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with new install Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000824092023.01feccb8@mail.eti.com> I just installed Mailman onto a new Redhat 6.2 system with Python 1.5.2-13 and Apache 1.3.12. It looks like the mailman install went okay and I setup a list. However, when I try to make any changes to the list it will go immediately back to the Password screen without making any changes. The permissions on my mailman directory are a+rx,g+ws as per the documentation. Any ideas? -------- Noah Lee 512-383-3097 Network/Telecom Administrator nlee at eti.com Evolutionary Technologies International, Inc http://www.eti.com From virginia at texterity.com Thu Aug 24 20:59:55 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] at/@ on the Subscribers site In-Reply-To: <39A50DAF.57F2E7AB@nikocity.de> Message-ID: On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Elwin Ehlers wrote: > when i open the Subscribers site on /cgi-bin/mailman/roster/thelist > i see in the mailaddress from the users a at and not a @. > What is the way to change this. In the "Privacy Options" admin page (/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/thelist/privacy), change the value of the following question to "NO": . Show member addrs so they're not directly recognizable as email addrs? This corresponds to "obscure_addresses = 0" from a dump of the config database. -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From seer at nethelpnow.com Fri Aug 25 00:28:40 2000 From: seer at nethelpnow.com (Seer Snively) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:28:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with OpenBSD Message-ID: Okay, well, the fun has begun! I'm taking over system admin and I'd like to dump the lame alias file includes and move to mailman, but I'm having a few small problems. First of all, I can't seem to figure out how to install the wrapper. Most of the docs don't mention OpenBSD (the system that I'm afraid I'm stuck with) and lots of things are in non-standard places. For example: - We run sendmail, but smrsh just a file in /etc/sbin, there is no directory - Aliases are in dir /etc/mail, not just /etc/aliases So the major problem is that sendmail doesn't understand the "test" mailing list I've set up. Or at least doesn't know that test and test-requests are now valid email addys. The mailman logs seem to be happy and I only get "unknown user" errors in sendmail logs. // Other than that, I've always liked being _on_ mailman mailing // lists. :-) Evolution (and all of helixcode's lists) are much // fun! :-) Oh, and one other feature/wishlist item: I am going to have two lists total, but I'd like to have this sort of setup: List A can only mail list A. List B is only sub'ed to B, but can send mail to both A and B. Because "B" is going to be somewhat small and un-changing, I was going to enter those email exceptions by hand, but it would be nice if this was some how allowed. Share the day, Seer p.s. OpenBSD 2.6, Python 1.5.2, sendmail 8.9.3, most current mailman (beta) -- Seer Snively seer at nethelpnow.com Network Administrator NetHelp International From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Fri Aug 25 00:48:25 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with OpenBSD Message-ID: <200008242247.PAA19204@utopia.west.sun.com> > So the major problem is that sendmail doesn't understand the > "test" mailing list I've set up. Or at least doesn't know that test and > test-requests are now valid email addys. Aliases are not added to the MTA automatically; you have to add them by hand (as the "newlist" mail message and output say). From petro at lists.bounty.org Fri Aug 25 00:46:47 2000 From: petro at lists.bounty.org (petro) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:46:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with OpenBSD In-Reply-To: ; from seer@nethelpnow.com on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:28:40PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <20000824154647.D17162@lists.bounty.org> On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:28:40PM -0700, Seer Snively wrote: > Okay, well, the fun has begun! > I'm taking over system admin and I'd like to dump the lame alias file > includes and move to mailman, but I'm having a few small problems. > First of all, I can't seem to figure out how to install the wrapper. Most > of the docs don't mention OpenBSD (the system that I'm afraid I'm stuck > with) and lots of things are in non-standard places. For example: I'm running mailmain on OpenBSD, and I'm having no problems, but I'm not using Sendmail (might I suggest that that is another thing to eliminate (not to start any MTA wars, but Sendmail is overly complex, and a possible security hole in and of itself)). I'm using exim, which works *REALLY* well, since it reaches into Mailman's config.db file for aliases. > - We run sendmail, but smrsh just a file in /etc/sbin, there is no > directory > > - Aliases are in dir /etc/mail, not just /etc/aliases > > So the major problem is that sendmail doesn't understand the > "test" mailing list I've set up. Or at least doesn't know that test and > test-requests are now valid email addys. The mailman logs seem to be > happy and I only get "unknown user" errors in sendmail logs. You did (I only ask out of completeness) add the appropriate aliases *and* run newaliases right? > p.s. OpenBSD 2.6, Python 1.5.2, sendmail 8.9.3, most current mailman > (beta) Caviet--I had problems with the beta 2s, so I am running the latest 1.x vesion. From jwt at OnJapan.net Fri Aug 25 03:00:37 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:00:37 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with new install In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000824092023.01feccb8@mail.eti.com>; from nlee@eti.com on Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:30:30AM -0500 References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000824092023.01feccb8@mail.eti.com> Message-ID: <20000825100037.A17433@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:30:30AM -0500, Noah Lee wrote: > I just installed Mailman onto a new Redhat 6.2 system with Python 1.5.2-13 > and Apache 1.3.12. It looks like the mailman install went okay and I setup > a list. However, when I try to make any changes to the list it will go > immediately back to the Password screen without making any changes. The If you are using a version of Mailman older than 2.0b5, you might try updating. The cookie handling code used for maintaining the authentication information has been improved. (Alternatively, you might try using a different web browser, as at least some of the earlier problems seemed related to one browser family.) -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From semprul at eudoramail.com Fri Aug 25 05:48:58 2000 From: semprul at eudoramail.com (Tio Syamsudin Gunawan) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:48:58 +0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] News - Mailing List.. Message-ID: Hi, I'm having trouble about connecting mailman with an NNTP server. I try to read the manual but i still don't understand. Could anyone help me with the steps to install it? thank you ~ganang Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From midnight at the-oasis.net Fri Aug 25 06:33:22 2000 From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:33:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help, please. Message-ID: <39A5BED2.16651.1B3CFFCC@localhost> I've spent about 15 hours in the last two days trying to wind my way through the maze I'm dealing with. First, I have a Redhat 6.2 server running Plesk Server Administrator. Plesk creates a fairly secure environment, including using suexec for cgi-bin security. This is giving me fits, since it means I have to give special ownership and specific rights to the /home/mailman/cgi-bin directory. This means that once I get this directory set so that the cgi-bin files will execute that bin/check_perms returns a bunch of errors, ie: it thinks that most of it should be owned by mailman instead of the suexec group id. Also, bin/check_perms suggests that the cgi-bin directory should be chmod 02775, but suexec insists on 02755. Also, I had to chown a lot of files in the /home/mailman directory to the suexec id, ie: chown -R fiberhos.pleskcli instead of mailman.mailman. I'm wondering at this point if I can even get it to work at all... Am I beating a dead horse? What do I have so far? If I log into the server at: https://www.fiberhosting.com/mailman/admin, I get the admin page, but if I try to open https://www.fiberhosting.com/mailman/admin/test, it just locks up and waits several minutes until it times out. There is nothing written to the logs/error file or any other file in the logs directory. the suexec log shows that a cgi script ran without problems. There is nothing in the apache logs. After it timed out, the python process stopped. (ps aux) I'd really appreciate any help I can get from any of you. Thanks... Here is some information on the server (from an error I corrected during my getting permissions set) Redhat 6.2 Mailman version 2.0beta5 Python information: sys.version 1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs- sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux-i386 Environment variables: SSL_SERVER_I_DN /C=RU/O=BSG/CN=als.nsk.bsgdesign.com/CN=localhost HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate SSL_SERVER_CN localhost HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us SSL_SERVER_C RU GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 SSL_SERVER_O BSG HTTP_ACCEPT */* REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/test SSL_SERVER_I_C RU SSL_SSLEAY_VERSION OpenSSL 0.9.4 09 Aug 1999 HTTPS on HTTP_HOST www.fiberhosting.com SSL_SERVER_I_O BSG SERVER_ADMIN admin at fiberhosting.com SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin HTTPS_SECRETKEYSIZE 128 PYTHONPATH /home/mailman SSL_PROTOCOL_VERSION SSLv3 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT) DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/plesk/apache/vhosts/fiberhosting.com/httpsdocs SERVER_ADDR 206.132.232.94 SSL_SERVER_I_CN localhost SERVER_PORT 443 HTTPS_KEYSIZE 128 CHARSET_HTTP_METHOD https:// UNIQUE_ID OaXq286E6F4AAFS-DgE REMOTE_ADDR 207.30.74.40 SERVER_NAME www.fiberhosting.com HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive CHARSET_SERVER_NAME www.fiberhosting.com:443 SSL_SERVER_DN /C=RU/O=BSG/CN=als.nsk.bsgdesign.com/CN=localhost CHARSET_SERVER_PORT 443 SSL_CIPHER RC4-MD5 PATH /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin QUERY_STRING SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 PATH_INFO /test REMOTE_PORT 2754 REQUEST_METHOD GET PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/plesk/apache/vhosts/fiberhosting.com/httpsdocs/test SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.12 Ben-SSL/1.38 (Unix) PHP/3.0.15 FrontPage/4.0.4.3 rus/PL29.4 HTTPS_CIPHER RC4-MD5 -- Phil Barnett mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net From brett at iclick.com Fri Aug 25 10:37:47 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0b4, mail disappears Message-ID: I upgraded a Solaris mailserver to python 1.5.3, which worked fine, and then upgraded to mailman 2.0b5. I did so by doing a ./configure and then a make install, as per the docs, which said to just overwrite the existing directory if going from 1.1. to the current version. Only problem is, mail sent to the list goes -nowhere-. I know it's being accepted by the list server's sendmail process, but what happens after that...i have no idea. It isn't showing up in the archives, and it isn't being delivered. Watching the system with top, I see nothing that indicates any delivery is going on. What do I need to check? This is for a mailing list with 1,500 people who get really grumpy when they don't get their mail... Brett From brett at iclick.com Fri Aug 25 11:02:37 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:02:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgraded from 1.1 to 2.0b4, mail disappears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >What do I need to check? This is for a mailing list with 1,500 >people who get really grumpy when they don't get their mail... duh. I searched my mailbox of messages, found a note about needing to install a crontab, that mailman handles delivery that way now. Duh. Nevermind :-) (but beware, I have some questions regarding gaining back the performance improvement I saw with the split delivery[ie, dist list split into 5 chunks, stuff like that] that 1.1. used to do.) We have a LOT of list members with crappy mail servers, name servers, etc...and I can't afford the huge penalty of 1,400 people being hung up because some clown at #99 in the list's mail server is down. Brett -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer CFN(formerly iClick, Inc) 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com PGP Fingerprint: 06C2 5D5B D2B4 7626 BB24 2BBC 9E4A C8B3 PGP Key location: http://pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net/pgp/brett.pgp From jwing at pliantsystems.com Fri Aug 25 16:27:25 2000 From: jwing at pliantsystems.com (John Wingenbach) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:27:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installed 2.0B5 - lists appear all private Message-ID: <39A6824D.18A74A2B@pliantsystems.com> I installed 2.0b5 on a new server as I was moving the list management. I then proceded to create newlists for each of the old ones. I followed that up with a config_list from the old server and used it to modify the new lists. Lastly, I pulled all the members from the old lists and added them into the new server's lists. However, now when I look at the new server, it shows all the lists as not being public. However, if I look individually at them, they are marked as being public. They just aren't showing up as a result of the listinfo.cgi run. HELP??? -- John C. Wingenbach Pliant Systems, Inc. Sr. Systems Administrator Work: (919) 405-4627 Fax: (919) 405-4544 From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com Fri Aug 25 16:45:08 2000 From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of the server but not really. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello everyone. I have a slight problem. When I create a new list, everything works fine and the list is created and I can add users and everything. My problem is that the name of the machine is not the name that I want the users to use. For example, right now I get http://aleph03.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname I would like that to read http://listserv.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname. Is there an easy way of doing this or do I have to re install mailman? Thanks in advance. Luis Lacayo From kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm Fri Aug 25 16:54:12 2000 From: kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm (Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:54:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Message-ID: <003c01c00ea4$55a165c0$5f9f82c2@pc125> I am trying to install mailman and despite python being on the system (/usr/local/bin/python) it still fails with "No such file or directory: python". This is happening when I enter "make install". Any idea? Wilbroad. From lra at insite.com.br Fri Aug 25 17:46:28 2000 From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:46:28 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation In-Reply-To: <003c01c00ea4$55a165c0$5f9f82c2@pc125> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > I am trying to install mailman and despite python being on the system > (/usr/local/bin/python) it still fails with "No such file or directory: > python". This is happening when I enter "make install". Any idea? > check that you have /usr/local/bin in your $PATH: $ echo $PATH if it isn't, try $ PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH $ export PATH or: $ setenf PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH depending on your shell. Regards, Leo From kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm Fri Aug 25 18:06:19 2000 From: kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm (Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:06:19 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation References: Message-ID: <007b01c00eae$684b7d50$5f9f82c2@pc125> Hello Leo, The path is already there. What else may be the problem? Kind regards, Wilbroad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonardo Rochael Almeida" To: "Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > > > I am trying to install mailman and despite python being on the system > > (/usr/local/bin/python) it still fails with "No such file or directory: > > python". This is happening when I enter "make install". Any idea? > > > > check that you have /usr/local/bin in your $PATH: > $ echo $PATH > > if it isn't, try > $ PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > $ export PATH > or: > $ setenf PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > depending on your shell. > > Regards, Leo > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm Fri Aug 25 18:25:24 2000 From: kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm (Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:25:24 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation References: Message-ID: <009f01c00eb1$12b02d70$5f9f82c2@pc125> Sorry Leo, I was looking at my own account and not the one I created to set up mailman. I included the path and it went through. Thanks so much. I will now be on the next step. Kind regards, Wilbroad. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonardo Rochael Almeida" To: "Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > > > I am trying to install mailman and despite python being on the system > > (/usr/local/bin/python) it still fails with "No such file or directory: > > python". This is happening when I enter "make install". Any idea? > > > > check that you have /usr/local/bin in your $PATH: > $ echo $PATH > > if it isn't, try > $ PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > $ export PATH > or: > $ setenf PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > depending on your shell. > > Regards, Leo > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From jwing at pliantsystems.com Fri Aug 25 18:21:40 2000 From: jwing at pliantsystems.com (John Wingenbach) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:21:40 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation References: <007b01c00eae$684b7d50$5f9f82c2@pc125> Message-ID: <39A69D14.5A625310@pliantsystems.com> When you ran configure, did you specify the --with-python argument? It tells the install where to find python. for example.. --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > Hello Leo, > > The path is already there. What else may be the problem? > > Kind regards, > Wilbroad. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leonardo Rochael Almeida" > To: "Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > > > > > I am trying to install mailman and despite python being on the system > > > (/usr/local/bin/python) it still fails with "No such file or directory: > > > python". This is happening when I enter "make install". Any idea? > > > > > > > check that you have /usr/local/bin in your $PATH: > > $ echo $PATH > > > > if it isn't, try > > $ PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > > $ export PATH > > or: > > $ setenf PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > > depending on your shell. > > > > Regards, Leo > > -- John C. Wingenbach Pliant Systems, Inc. Sr. Systems Administrator Work: (919) 405-4627 Fax: (919) 405-4544 From batgirl at SDF.lonestar.org Fri Aug 25 12:56:54 2000 From: batgirl at SDF.lonestar.org (JLG) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:56:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron/gate_news problem Message-ID: Greetings! I've been given the task of admining a MLM for my company and I've been happy with Mailman. We've been using it for a few days now,but as of yesterday morning my mailbox has been overrun with messages from cron. The mail lists we have here also get posted to a news group, and the messages began when I misspelt the name of a group, which I have since corrected. I am still receiving the following message though: Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPPermanentError: 501 newsgroup From root at post.xxxxx.com Fri Aug 25 15:20:02 2000 From: root at post.xxxxx.com (Cron Daemon) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:20:02 -0400 Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python Message-ID: <200008251320.JAA11149@post.xxxxx.com> /usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: X-Cron-Env: Status: O X-Status: D X-Keywords: X-UID: 875 Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 225, in ? main() File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 78, in open_newsgroup r,c,f,l,n = conn.group(mlist.linked_newsgroup) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 260, in group resp = self.shortcmd('GROUP ' + name) File "/usr/share/mail I'm using mailman-2.0beta2 on a RH 6.2 machine with kernel 2.2.5-15smp I thought 501 erros usually had to do with domain name problems, There's nothing in my logs that aids troubleshooting this problem. any ideas? thanks in advance! Jen G. x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x batgirl at sdf.lonestar.org x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x From lra at insite.com.br Fri Aug 25 18:43:01 2000 From: lra at insite.com.br (Leonardo Rochael Almeida) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:43:01 -0300 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation In-Reply-To: <007b01c00eae$684b7d50$5f9f82c2@pc125> Message-ID: Check to see if /usr/local/bin/python is a symlink and if it is live. Better yet, try simply typing "python" on the command line. If it works then the problem is more complex. Check the error message from the Makefile to see if it is really trying to find the python executable (and not fining it) or if it's refering to some other thing (such as a directory) called python. see what command is giving the error. Time to dive into that Makefile! :-) Regards, Leo On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > Hello Leo, > > The path is already there. What else may be the problem? > > Kind regards, > Wilbroad. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leonardo Rochael Almeida" > To: "Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation > > > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > > > > > I am trying to install mailman and despite python being on the system > > > (/usr/local/bin/python) it still fails with "No such file or directory: > > > python". This is happening when I enter "make install". Any idea? > > > > > > > check that you have /usr/local/bin in your $PATH: > > $ echo $PATH > > > > if it isn't, try > > $ PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > > $ export PATH > > or: > > $ setenf PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH > > depending on your shell. > > > > Regards, Leo From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Aug 25 21:36:30 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:36:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installed 2.0B5 - lists appear all private References: <39A6824D.18A74A2B@pliantsystems.com> Message-ID: <39A6CABE.6A4BDCEA@west.sun.com> Is there virtual hosting going on? See this code in Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py: for n in names: mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) if mlist.advertised: if mm_cfg.VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW and \ http_host and \ string.find(http_host, mlist.web_page_url) == -1 and \ string.find(mlist.web_page_url, http_host) == -1: # List is for different identity of this host - skip it. continue else: advertised.append(mlist) John Wingenbach wrote: > > I installed 2.0b5 on a new server as I was moving the list management. I then > proceded to create newlists for each of the old ones. I followed that up with a > config_list from the old server and used it to modify the new lists. Lastly, I > pulled all the members from the old lists and added them into the new server's > lists. > > However, now when I look at the new server, it shows all the lists as not being > public. However, if I look individually at them, they are marked as being > public. They just aren't showing up as a result of the listinfo.cgi run. > HELP??? > > -- > John C. Wingenbach > Pliant Systems, Inc. > Sr. Systems Administrator > Work: (919) 405-4627 > Fax: (919) 405-4544 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Aug 25 21:37:34 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:37:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of the server but not really. References: Message-ID: <39A6CAFE.C6218B66@west.sun.com> Have you tried setting the 'base URL' on the first admin page ("General Options", last field)? "Luis F. Lacayo" wrote: > > Hello everyone. > > I have a slight problem. When I create a new list, everything works fine > and the list is created and I can add users and everything. My problem is > that the name of the machine is not the name that I want the users to use. > For example, right now I get > http://aleph03.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname I would like that to > read http://listserv.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname. Is there an > easy way of doing this or do I have to re install mailman? > > Thanks in advance. > > Luis Lacayo > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Fri Aug 25 21:57:18 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:57:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman as spam generator References: Message-ID: <39A6CF9E.47ED72E1@west.sun.com> You may edit the file ~mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py to include a list of headernames and REs for that header which are discarded outright with no further approval. The file is distributed with no entries in that list, but if added, that should serve your purpose. Adapting Hold.py to do the same thing (raise SpamDetected) for other conditions, like message length or "mail to admin address" or some such, would probably be easy too. Adapting them to send a note back to the sender saying "I've dropped your message" would be a little harder, but probably a better solution. Thomas Gramstad wrote: > > On the Privacy admin page under "Hold posts with header value > matching a specified regexp" I've added several items and they > work, but... > when someone sends a spam message to 10 of my mailing lists, > Mailman produces 10 new messages, one per list, about ten > messages waiting for approval. And Mailman sends 10 such > messages at least once or a couple of times a day. > > In other words: Mailman is a spam machine. It generates as > much spam as the spammers themselves. > > What I want Mailman to do, is not to hold the posts with > those header values for approval; I want Mailman to delete > them, forward them to dev/null, without me ever having to > see them or know about their shortlived existence. > How can I make Mailman do that? Is it really impossible in > current versions of Mailman? If so, this is a HUGE, GIANT > FLAW in Mailman. > > Thomas Gramstad > thomas at ifi.uio.no > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca Fri Aug 25 22:05:15 2000 From: ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca (Dave Dunaway (ncc0296)) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:05:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie headache. Message-ID: <20000825160515.F10821@corp.netcom.ca> Yo, I am running a list server which is running fine and funky. WHat is not working properly is the way cookies are being handled for admin config tasks. ie: I access the server as lists/cgi-bin/listinfo and the cookie gets set to lists. If I access the server as lists.office.corp (corp being an internal TLD we use) the cookie gets set as lists.corp.netcom.ca and all my admin changes are ketp and I continuously have to enter a password for each admin change I make. Like I said, with just lists as the hostname, all changes work perfectly and all is happy. ANyone know what I fscked up, or have not set, or need to set in apache, or whatever? thanks. -- Dave Dunaway [ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca] From ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca Fri Aug 25 22:10:59 2000 From: ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca (Dave Dunaway (ncc0296)) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:10:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookie headache. In-Reply-To: <20000825160515.F10821@corp.netcom.ca>; from ddunaway@corp.netcom.ca on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 04:05:15PM -0400 References: <20000825160515.F10821@corp.netcom.ca> Message-ID: <20000825161059.G10821@corp.netcom.ca> > I am running a list server which is running fine and funky. WHat is not working properly > is the way cookies are being handled for admin config tasks. ie: I access the server as > lists/cgi-bin/listinfo and the cookie gets set to lists. If I access the server as lists.office.corp > (corp being an internal TLD we use) the cookie gets set as lists.corp.netcom.ca and all my admin > changes are ketp and I continuously have to enter a password for each admin change I make. > Like I said, with just lists as the hostname, all changes work perfectly and all is happy. DOH! Too much coffee! The fqdn is lists.corp.netcom.ca, not list.office.corp. -- Dave Dunaway [ddunaway at corp.netcom.ca] From kevin at maxson.com Fri Aug 25 22:38:16 2000 From: kevin at maxson.com (Kevin of Thornbury) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 16:38:16 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: Cron /usr/bin/python /usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs] Message-ID: <39A6D938.57076FDE@maxson.com> Can anyone explain this to me? I'm not subscribed, please reply directly. Thank you very much! -------- Original Message -------- Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 77, in ? main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1 File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 49, in main text = text + "\n" + pending_requests(list), File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 70, in pending_requests pending.append("\tFrom: %s on %s:\n\tCause: %s" TypeError: read-only character buffer, None From claw at nuron.com Sat Aug 26 04:02:31 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:02:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of the server but not really. In-Reply-To: Message from "Luis F. Lacayo" of "Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:45:08 CDT." References: Message-ID: <8024.967255351@nuron.com> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:45:08 -0500 Luis F Lacayo wrote: > Hello everyone. I have a slight problem. When I create a new > list, everything works fine and the list is created and I can add > users and everything. My problem is that the name of the machine > is not the name that I want the users to use. For example, right > now I get http://aleph03.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname I > would like that to read > http://listserv.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname. Is there > an easy way of doing this or do I have to re install mailman? Edit Mailman/DEfaults.py. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From brett at iclick.com Sat Aug 26 05:50:21 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:50:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin tool won't run for some lists Message-ID: I have about 5-6 lists, and for some reason, all of the admin pages for all the lists work...except for one list. I can't get into the admin page; subscribers can't get to the page with their subscription information...but some pages do work(for example, I can go to the list information page, enter my email and the list admin password, and get a subscriber list.) The last thing in the error log: Aug 25 19:32:09 2000 admin(17640): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer CFN(formerly iClick, Inc) 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com PGP Fingerprint: 06C2 5D5B D2B4 7626 BB24 2BBC 9E4A C8B3 PGP Key location: http://pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net/pgp/brett.pgp From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Sat Aug 26 06:35:57 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 21:35:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of the server but not reall y. Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0661@EMAIL> > -----Original Message----- > From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at nuron.com] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:03 PM > To: Luis F. Lacayo > Cc: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the name of the server but not > really. > > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:45:08 -0500 > Luis F Lacayo wrote: > > > Hello everyone. I have a slight problem. When I create a new > > list, everything works fine and the list is created and I can add > > users and everything. My problem is that the name of the machine > > is not the name that I want the users to use. For example, right > > now I get http://aleph03.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname I > > would like that to read > > http://listserv.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/listname. Is there > > an easy way of doing this or do I have to re install mailman? > > Edit Mailman/DEfaults.py. Shouldn't that go into mm_cfg.py instead? I thought Defaults.py was only supposed to be edited if you were making changes for distribution, and not after mailman has been deployed... Greg From jam at jamux.com Sat Aug 26 21:47:05 2000 From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complaint: My E-mail address appears on this site without my permission Message-ID: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 How do folks respond to complaints like the one below? In this example with mailman 1.1 using default options the mail addresses in the archives are not obfuscated. Do mailing list archives commonly obfuscate mail headers? My position has been not to _rewrite history_ by modifying mail archives. In this instance the complainer evidently gave permission for someone to put his mail to the list and so may have been unaware that the list was archived. However I receive similar complaints from folk that have themselves posted to lists where they could hardly have been unaware of the archives. jam - ------- Forwarded Message -- Identifiable info obfuscated Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:44:28 -0700 From: John Q. Doe To: mailman-owner at lists.none-such.org Subject: My E-mail address appears on this site without my permission Dear owner, I've noticed that some E-mail I agreed to have forwarded to a list managed by you has appeared on your web site with my e-mail address included. Had I know this would happen, I would have refused to have it forwarded. It is well know that Spammers tend to harvest E-mail address from the web. At the very least, some sort of device to hinder the "spam-bots" should be employed here. Could you please either delete my E-mail address or alter it so that spammers would be foiled? Here's one of the URLs" http://lists.none-such.org/pipermail/big-bytes/2000q1/999999.html Thank-you John Q. Doe - ------- End of Forwarded Message -- Identifiable info obfuscated -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: OpenPGP encrypted mail preferred. See iEYEARECAAYFAjmoHlIACgkQUEvv1b/iXy/MLgCfeSn9/XTasSXOzkJ2Rwj4/mtu N9oAoI7Q5mRPaTxugn758tlScHBEG3Jw =B0pb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chuqui at plaidworks.com Sat Aug 26 23:19:24 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:19:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complaint: My E-mail address appears on this site without my permission In-Reply-To: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> References: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: At 3:47 PM -0400 8/26/00, John A. Martin wrote: >How do folks respond to complaints like the one below? > >In this example with mailman 1.1 using default options the mail >addresses in the archives are not obfuscated. First, I recommend obfuscating. Second, I strongly recommend putting archives behind *some* kind of a password, even if that password is on a site in plain text, because it'll stop the harvesters. Third, use robots.txt to make sure the global spiders don't search and index your archives -- if you need search capability, run a site-specific, private one. Don't allow your mail archives into global databases where you lose control of it. the last point stops 90% of harvesting. The second takes it to 99.9%. Nothing stops the last .1%, and those harvesters are likely subscribed and silently sucking the lists, not harvesting the archives, anyway. >My position has been not to _rewrite history_ by modifying mail >archives. Archives are a public record. I don't edit them or remove messages, any more than a newspaper can unpublish an article in a newspaper. But -- that doesn't mean you don't have some responsibility to protect those archives from abuse, but anyone who posts anywhere to anything on the net is at some risk -- you can manage those risks, and should, but the guy can't make the post unhappen, and I consider removal of non-libelous data from an archive unacceptable. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From lindsey at mallorn.com Sat Aug 26 23:42:32 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:42:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complaint: My E-mail address appears on this site without my permission In-Reply-To: ; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:19:24PM -0700 References: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <20000826164232.A27000@mallorn.com> > on a site in plain text, because it'll stop the harvesters. Third, > use robots.txt to make sure the global spiders don't search and index > your archives -- if you need search capability, run a site-specific, > private one. Don't allow your mail archives into global databases > where you lose control of it. There are some other controls that you can exact based on the Browser ID of harvesters, too: http://mosa.unity.ncsu.edu/~brabec/antispam.html You can also switch to an external archiver such as MHonArc, which can obfuscate addresses for you: http://www.mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/resources/spammode.html > Archives are a public record. I don't edit them or remove messages, > any more than a newspaper can unpublish an article in a newspaper. > But -- that doesn't mean you don't have some responsibility to > protect those archives from abuse, but anyone who posts anywhere to > anything on the net is at some risk -- you can manage those risks, > and should, but the guy can't make the post unhappen, and I consider > removal of non-libelous data from an archive unacceptable. I agree. You're also in a dangerous legal position if you start modifying your archives -- you'll then be responsible for *all* content. Chris From dgc at uchicago.edu Sat Aug 26 23:54:15 2000 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:54:15 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Complaint: My E-mail address appears on this site without my permission In-Reply-To: ; from chuqui@plaidworks.com on Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 02:19:24PM -0700 References: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <20000826165415.K24855@smack.uchicago.edu> On 2000.08.26, in , "Chuq Von Rospach" wrote: > > Archives are a public record. I don't edit them or remove messages, > any more than a newspaper can unpublish an article in a newspaper. > But -- that doesn't mean you don't have some responsibility to > protect those archives from abuse, but anyone who posts anywhere to > anything on the net is at some risk -- you can manage those risks, I like the fact that Mailman leaves the original (not-quite-)mbox files intact. With this, I do not have to tamper with list archives, but I certainly can alter their presentation without tangling with revisionism. Editing HTML archives feels much closer to altering the list archive than changing my presentation algorithm does. I'd have no problem with changing the program that turns archives to HTML in order to hide email addresses, but I would NOT edit my only copy of the archive to remove all the "@"s. IMO, all list managers should keep archives in the mail system's natural format, and convert to whatever presentation is preferred when necessary. I also like it when you can download the unadulterated mbox from the archive's web pages. My search tools are usually much better than the web server's, within such a narrow scope. -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From kapitan at biostat.wisc.edu Sun Aug 27 00:15:39 2000 From: kapitan at biostat.wisc.edu (andrea kapitan) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:15:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing all or many members Message-ID: <39A8417E.91386AF7@biostat.wisc.edu> What I can't figure out is how to remove 1,000 members at once or all of the list members. This would be extremely tedious in the GUI and doesn't look like an option in /mailman/bin/remove_members Thanks, -Andrea From lindsey at mallorn.com Sun Aug 27 00:43:39 2000 From: lindsey at mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:43:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing all or many members In-Reply-To: <39A8417E.91386AF7@biostat.wisc.edu>; from kapitan@biostat.wisc.edu on Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 05:15:39PM -0500 References: <39A8417E.91386AF7@biostat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20000826174339.C27000@mallorn.com> > What I can't figure out is how to remove 1,000 members at once or > all of the list members. This would be extremely tedious in the GUI > and doesn't look like an option in /mailman/bin/remove_members Use withlist: > python -i $prefix/bin/withlist -l [listname] >>> m.members={} >>> m.digest_members={} >>> m.Save() >>> ^D ^D is [CTRL]-D, hit simultaneously. Remember, this removes *ALL* list members at once. You might want to backup $prefix/lists/[listname] first, just in case. :) Chris From claw at kanga.nu Sun Aug 27 01:18:16 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:18:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complaint: My E-mail address appears on this site without my permission In-Reply-To: Message from "John A. Martin" of "Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:47:05 EDT." <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> References: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: <28158.967331896@kanga.nu> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:47:05 -0400 John A Martin wrote: > How do folks respond to complaints like the one below? I respond very simply that the it is now rare for spammers to harvest web sites for email addresses due to the fact that is extremely trivial (and quite common) for sites to have traps installed that: a) feed endless numbers of fake addresses to the harvester (eg a CGI with a random address generator) b) present infinite loops of cascading/different URLs (usually seeded with dyanmically generated fake addresses for the harvester) such that the harvester gets stuck in the trap and nevre harvests any real pages. The result is that any attempted harvesy is likely to never compleat (trapped in infinite URL CGIs), and what it does return is massively salted with fake addresses (dynamically generated seemingly good addresses). -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at Sun Aug 27 09:01:00 2000 From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:01:00 +0200 (MES) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Complaint: My E-mail address appears on this site without my permission In-Reply-To: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> from "John A. Martin" at "Aug 26, 2000 03:47:05 pm" Message-ID: <200008270701.JAA69892@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> As a general rule: mailing lists are always archived. Not archiving a list is an exception. An archive should contain the original text including author information without rewriting that. The problem here is not the way mailman works, the business of spamming is the real problem. +gg -- Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at Fax: +43/1/31336/702 g.gonter at ieee.org Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria From jack at valko.org Sun Aug 27 09:55:37 2000 From: jack at valko.org (Jack Valko) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] using swish-e searching with mailman lists Message-ID: I've created a HOWTO on including SWISH-E searching into list archives. It's available at http://www.valko.org/mailmanswish-e/. The changes are rolled into my 1.1 installation, and I'll upgrade it to 2.0 as soon as it comes out of beta. Drop me a line if you have comments or questions, J From alex at khalil.org Sun Aug 27 18:43:25 2000 From: alex at khalil.org (alex khalil) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:43:25 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: using swish-e searching with mailman lists Message-ID: <20000827164325.A26617@leb.net> Jack Valko jack at valko.org wrote on Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:55:37 -0700 >I've created a HOWTO on including SWISH-E searching into list archives. >>It's available at http://www.valko.org/mailmanswish-e/. The changes are >rolled into my 1.1 installation, and I'll upgrade it to 2.0 as soon as it >comes out of beta. SWISH-E has been out of development for a couple of years. Jack. Could you be tempted to use SWISH++, a rippoff of SWISH-E at http://www.best.com/~pjl/software/swish/ that is in active development? From jack at valko.org Sun Aug 27 18:56:38 2000 From: jack at valko.org (Jack Valko) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 09:56:38 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: using swish-e searching with mailman lists In-Reply-To: <20000827164325.A26617@leb.net> Message-ID: The last SWISH-E official release (1.3.2) was posted in November 1999. SWISH-E 2.0 is currently in beta and was just updated on August 23, 2000. Did you mean to say it has been out of development for a couple of days? Don't let me stop you from taking up the charge on SWISH++, but SWISH-E is working fine for me. J -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin at python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of alex khalil Sent: 27 August, 2000 09:43 To: mailman-users at python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: using swish-e searching with mailman lists Jack Valko jack at valko.org wrote on Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:55:37 -0700 >I've created a HOWTO on including SWISH-E searching into list archives. >>It's available at http://www.valko.org/mailmanswish-e/. The changes are >rolled into my 1.1 installation, and I'll upgrade it to 2.0 as soon as it >comes out of beta. SWISH-E has been out of development for a couple of years. Jack. Could you be tempted to use SWISH++, a rippoff of SWISH-E at http://www.best.com/~pjl/software/swish/ that is in active development? ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From alex at khalil.org Sun Aug 27 19:21:30 2000 From: alex at khalil.org (alex khalil) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:21:30 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] using swish-e searching with mailman lists In-Reply-To: ; from jack@valko.org on Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:56:38AM -0700 References: <20000827164325.A26617@leb.net> Message-ID: <20000827172130.C26617@leb.net> You are right of course: SWISH-E is still actively maintained. For my information, did you consider both and, if yes, what made you choose the one over the other? On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 09:56:38AM -0700, Jack Valko wrote: > >The last SWISH-E official release (1.3.2) was posted in November 1999. >SWISH-E 2.0 is currently in beta and was just updated on August 23, 2000. >Did you mean to say it has been out of development for a couple of days? > >Don't let me stop you from taking up the charge on SWISH++, but SWISH-E is >working fine for me. > >J > >-----Original Message----- >[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of alex khalil >Sent: 27 August, 2000 09:43 > >Jack Valko jack at valko.org wrote on Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:55:37 -0700 > >>I've created a HOWTO on including SWISH-E searching into list archives. >>>It's available at http://www.valko.org/mailmanswish-e/. The changes are >>rolled into my 1.1 installation, and I'll upgrade it to 2.0 as soon as it >>comes out of beta. > > SWISH-E has been out of development for a couple of years. > > Jack. Could you be tempted to use SWISH++, a rippoff of SWISH-E at >http://www.best.com/~pjl/software/swish/ that is in active development? From marauder at morepower.com Sun Aug 27 20:58:25 2000 From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 12:58:25 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0b5 (Redhat) In-Reply-To: <20000527160012.15CD61CDD4@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: Hey all... installed RedHat's RPM of Mailman 2.0b5 about a week ago (ya, ya I'm lazy I know HEHE), could have *sworn* that everything was working fine then. But today when I try to go in and approve a rejected post I'm having cookie problems... have also tried to go in to do general admin on the list and see the same problem. I have double checked that cookies are enabled. I'm using Internet Explorer 5.5 (5.50.4134.0600IS) 128 Bit ... have just checked and everything is working ok under an old beta of Netscape 6 that I have installed. So I'm guessing that this the old IE cookie problem resurfacing yet again?? Anybody else having similar experiences? Cheers, >>>>> Mike <<<<< From TomM at pentstar.com Mon Aug 28 01:04:19 2000 From: TomM at pentstar.com (Tom Musgrove) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:04:19 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a feature request Message-ID: hi, would it be possible to add the following feature to mailman? feature: multiple addresses for the same mail list- I'd like to be able to send email to the same list from multiple accounts, because I use a different email account based on whether I'm using a computer from home, work, or a public terminal. I only need to read the email from the list once, so preferably just have a default account that it is sent to. Currently, if I want to send email from different accounts, I have to have multiple different subscriptions, which means getting the same messages from a list a bazillion times. Thanks for listening, Tom M. TomM at pentstar.com From wrd at awenet.com Mon Aug 28 01:07:34 2000 From: wrd at awenet.com (William R. Dickson) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] a feature request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Tom Musgrove wrote: > hi, would it be possible to add the following feature to mailman? > > feature: multiple addresses for the same mail list- I'd like to be able to > send email to the same list from multiple accounts, because I use a > different email account based on whether I'm using a computer from home, > work, or a public terminal. I only need to read the email from the list > once, so preferably just have a default account that it is sent to. > Currently, if I want to send email from different accounts, I have to have > multiple different subscriptions, which means getting the same messages from > a list a bazillion times. Just set the accounts you don't want to receive mail at to "Nomail" -- that's how I handle the lists I subscribe to at work, so I can send mail to them from home as well. -Bill -- William R. Dickson -- Consuming the Earth's limited resources since 1968 wrd at awenet.com http://www.awenet.com/~wrd/ (PGP public key available) "And what kind of music do _you_ like, Mr. Toad?" "Uneasy listening." -Bill Griffith From dale at bewley.net Mon Aug 28 01:06:26 2000 From: dale at bewley.net (Dale Bewley) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] programatic editing of list options Message-ID: I want to create regional lists on a topic for each of the 50 states. I did that with a little wrapper around 'newlist', but now I need to adjust several settings such as description, prefix, etc. I don't know a lick of python but I know perl perdy good. Can I edit 50 lists and bypass the web interface? -- Dale Bewley - Bewley Internet Solutions Inc. http://bewley.net/ From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Mon Aug 28 04:16:57 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:16:57 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing all or many members References: <39A8417E.91386AF7@biostat.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <39A9CB99.15FD2D68@west.sun.com> andrea kapitan wrote: > > What I can't figure out is how to remove 1,000 members at once or > all of the list members. This would be extremely tedious in the GUI > and doesn't look like an option in /mailman/bin/remove_members I must be missing something; what's wrong with bin/list_members > memberlist bin/remove_members -f memberlist or even bin/list_members | bin/remove_members -f - In either case you can process however you'd like between the two steps, to just "remove all hotmail users" or something From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Mon Aug 28 04:20:15 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:20:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] programatic editing of list options References: Message-ID: <39A9CC5F.B1688C4F@west.sun.com> Dale Bewley wrote: > > I want to create regional lists on a topic for each of the 50 states. > I did that with a little wrapper around 'newlist', but now I need to > adjust several settings such as description, prefix, etc. > > I don't know a lick of python but I know perl perdy good. > > Can I edit 50 lists and bypass the web interface? bin/config_list is probably the tool you need From kapitan at biostat.wisc.edu Mon Aug 28 04:37:08 2000 From: kapitan at biostat.wisc.edu (Andrea Kapitan) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:37:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing all or many members In-Reply-To: <39A9CB99.15FD2D68@west.sun.com> from "Dan Mick" at Aug 27, 2000 07:16:57 PM Message-ID: <200008280237.e7S2b9616725@adhara.biostat.wisc.edu> Thanks I will try that also; but it did work for me in python -Andrea > > > > andrea kapitan wrote: > > > > What I can't figure out is how to remove 1,000 members at once or > > all of the list members. This would be extremely tedious in the GUI > > and doesn't look like an option in /mailman/bin/remove_members > > I must be missing something; what's wrong with > > bin/list_members > memberlist > bin/remove_members -f memberlist > > or even > > bin/list_members | bin/remove_members -f - > > In either case you can process however you'd like between the two steps, > to just "remove all hotmail users" or something > -- -- _____________________________________ Andrea Kapitan Manager - BCG Support Services University of Wisconsin Medical School Department of Biostatistics k6/416 Clinical Sciences Center Office Phone: 5-6738 MSC Phone: 5-3743 kapitan at biostat.wisc.edu _____________________________________ From eric at interversity.com Mon Aug 28 05:02:47 2000 From: eric at interversity.com (Eric Crump) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:02:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "which" command? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39A99007.5843.6F8912F@localhost> I hope this isn't a FAQ. I've looked, honest! Does Mailman have a command comparable to Majordomo's "which" ('which ' returns all the lists on the site to which that address is subscribed)? I'm setting up a new server and am about 90 percent convinced to switch from majordomo to mailman, but oh I sure would miss that "which" command if mailman doesn't have one! Thanks! --Eric Crump From chuqui at plaidworks.com Mon Aug 28 05:28:08 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:28:08 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "which" command? In-Reply-To: <39A99007.5843.6F8912F@localhost> References: <39A99007.5843.6F8912F@localhost> Message-ID: At 10:02 PM -0500 8/27/00, Eric Crump wrote: >I'm setting up a new server and am about 90 percent convinced to switch from >majordomo to mailman, but oh I sure would miss that "which" command if >mailman doesn't have one! you can do it off the web pages. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From jwt at OnJapan.net Mon Aug 28 05:28:23 2000 From: jwt at OnJapan.net (Jim Tittsler) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:28:23 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "which" command? In-Reply-To: <39A99007.5843.6F8912F@localhost>; from eric@interversity.com on Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:02:47PM -0500 References: <39A99007.5843.6F8912F@localhost> Message-ID: <20000828122823.B27599@mail.dskk.co.jp> On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:02:47PM -0500, Eric Crump wrote: > Does Mailman have a command comparable to Majordomo's "which" > ('which ' returns all the lists on the site > to which that address is subscribed)? Mailman does have a command line tool ~mailman/bin/find_member will show the mailing list subscriptions for the regex(es) on the command line. Run '~mailman/bin/find_member -h' for help and information on how to include/exclude certain lists from the search. -- Jim Tittsler, Tokyo Python Starship http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/ From claw at kanga.nu Mon Aug 28 05:43:00 2000 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:43:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] a feature request In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Musgrove" of "Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:04:19 CDT." References: Message-ID: <21315.967434180@kanga.nu> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:04:19 -0500 Tom Musgrove wrote: > hi, would it be possible to add the following feature to mailman? > feature: multiple addresses for the same mail list- I'd like to be > able to send email to the same list from multiple accounts, > because I use a different email account based on whether I'm using > a computer from home, work, or a public terminal. No feature needs adding. Just subscribe all addresses and then set all but one to NOMAIL. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Other: coder at kanga.nu http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From midnight at the-oasis.net Mon Aug 28 06:09:14 2000 From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail Message-ID: <39A9ADAA.30876.26B7CF9@localhost> Well, I finally gave up trying to get Mailman to run under suexec. I installed another copy of Apache just to handle the mailing lists. So far, I have created a test mailing list and it was able to notify me. I went to the admin page and subscribed. I recieved a message in my personal mailbox that I replied to. But, qmail told me that there was no user. To qmail's rcpthosts file, I added: matrixlist.com To qmails virtualdomains file, I added: matrixlist.com:matrixlist-com to the qmail/mailnames/matrixlist.com directory, I added the alias files: .qmail-owner-test .qmail-test .qmail-test-admin .qmail-test-owner .qmail-test-request For example, .qmail-test contains: |preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test I have restarted qmail. Any ideas what I'm missing? -- Phil Barnett mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net From rcozzani at zia.ms.it Mon Aug 28 11:33:36 2000 From: rcozzani at zia.ms.it (Riccardo Cozzani) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:33:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] "data format error" message In-Reply-To: <20000826194705.F21024800A@athene.jamux.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I receive a lot of "data format error" messages from my mailman lists, and the private and public archives do not grow. Can the two things are the same problem? thanks Riccardo From bhall at figleaf.com Mon Aug 28 14:37:15 2000 From: bhall at figleaf.com (Branden Hall) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:37:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman & Qmail... looping mail problem? Message-ID: <77CE3E0C3A79D4119D5B0008C7D3820D131E96@figdcaexc1.figleaf.com> Hello everyone! I just joined this list, and may I first thank the developers of this great program! I got it up and working in *no* time! As for my question... I have Mailman working with Qmail, and it seems to work just fine, except that everytime someone sends an email to my lists they get an email back with the following info in it. This only occurs if someone is mailing to my lists, and not if they are emailing a user on my system directly. If anyone has any insight into why this is happening, it would be greatly appreciated!! Hi. This is the qmail-send program at chattyfig.figleaf.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : This message is looping: it already has my Delivered-To line. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23870 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 13:50:56 -0000 Received: from gate.v3.com (HELO dpi.nl) (213.156.3.162) by chattyfig.figleaf.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 13:50:56 -0000 Received: from Pending... [213.196.23.6] by dpi.nl [] with DomainPOP (MDaemon.v3.0.4.R) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:48:20 +0200 Return-Path: Received: from chattyfig.figleaf.com ([146.145.88.77]) by anne.caveo.nl (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-67856U1000L100S0V35) with SMTP id nl for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 04:50:09 +0200 Received: (qmail 23624 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 13:50:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 13:50:02 -0000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: flashcoders at chattyfig.figleaf.com Received: (qmail 23599 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2000 13:49:26 -0000 Received: from figdcaexc1.figleaf.com (146.145.88.79) by chattyfig.figleaf.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2000 13:49:26 -0000 Received: by figdcaexc1.figleaf.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:47:01 -0400 Message-ID: <77CE3E0C3A79D4119D5B0008C7D3820D131E90 at figdcaexc1.figleaf.com> From: Branden Hall To: "'flashcoders at chattyfig.figleaf.com'" Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] Code will not update itself Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:46:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: flashcoders-admin at chattyfig.figleaf.com Errors-To: flashcoders-admin at chattyfig.figleaf.com X-BeenThere: flashcoders at chattyfig.figleaf.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: flashcoders at chattyfig.figleaf.com List-Id: Flash 5 Programming-centeric Mailing List X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: flashcoders at chattyfig.figleaf.com X-MDRemoteIP: 213.196.23.6 -= Branden J. Hall -= Senior Interactive Developer/Instructor -= Fig Leaf Software - "We've got you covered!" From batgirl at SDF.lonestar.org Mon Aug 28 10:48:18 2000 From: batgirl at SDF.lonestar.org (JLG) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 08:48:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron/gate_news problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, JLG wrote: Hey, I sent this in on Friday and hadn't heard from anyone. I went and reviewed my message and realized part of it hadn't pasted correctly. Here's the full email I am getting from cron: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 225, in ? main() File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main process_lists(lock) File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 78, in open_newsgroup r,c,f,l,n = conn.group(mlist.linked_newsgroup) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 260, in group resp = self.shortcmd('GROUP ' + name) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 210, in shortcmd return self.getresp() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 186, in getresp raise NNTPPermanentError(resp) Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPPermanentError: 501 newsgroup Thanks in advance! Jen > > Greetings! > > I've been given the task of admining a MLM for my company and I've > been happy with Mailman. We've been using it for a few days now,but as > of yesterday morning my mailbox has been overrun with messages from cron. > > The mail lists we have here also get posted to a news group, and the > messages began when I misspelt the name of a group, which I have since > corrected. I am still receiving the following message though: > > Mailman.pythonlib.nntplib.NNTPPermanentError: > 501 newsgroup > > > > > >From root at post.xxxxx.com Fri Aug 25 08:20:16 2000 > Return-Path: > Received: from post.xxxxx.com (post.xxxxx.com [63.86.xxx.xxx]) > by mercury.xxxxx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06061 > for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:20:16 -0400 > Received: (from root at localhost) > by post.xxxxx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11149 > for mailman; Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:20:02 -0400 > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 09:20:02 -0400 > Message-Id: <200008251320.JAA11149 at post.xxxxx.com> > From: root at post.xxxxx.com (Cron Daemon) > To: mailman at post.xxxxx.com > Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python > /usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > X-Cron-Env: > Status: O > X-Status: D > X-Keywords: > X-UID: 875 > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 225, in ? > main() > File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 203, in main > process_lists(lock) > File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 148, in process_lists > conn, first, last = open_newsgroup(mlist) > File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 78, in open_newsgroup > r,c,f,l,n = conn.group(mlist.linked_newsgroup) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib/nntplib.py", line 260, in > group > resp = self.shortcmd('GROUP ' + name) > File "/usr/share/mail > > > I'm using mailman-2.0beta2 on a RH 6.2 machine with kernel 2.2.5-15smp > I thought 501 erros usually had to do with domain name problems, There's > nothing in my logs that aids troubleshooting this problem. any ideas? > > thanks in advance! > > Jen G. > > x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x > batgirl at sdf.lonestar.org > x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x batgirl at sdf.lonestar.org x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x From bug at aphid.net Mon Aug 28 16:48:59 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:48:59 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help, please. In-Reply-To: <39A5BED2.16651.1B3CFFCC@localhost>; from midnight@the-oasis.net on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 12:33:22AM -0400 References: <39A5BED2.16651.1B3CFFCC@localhost> Message-ID: <20000829014859.L2675@aphid.net> Hi Phil, On my box with suexec I get around things by setting the SuEXEC user and group to mailman. This avoids most of the problems but doesn't sound like an alternative in your case. You still need to chmod 0755 ~mailman/cgi-bin and take suid bits off. It should be enough to be able to run the wrappers in cgi-bin as a user in the mailman group I believe. Chuck Wrote Phil Barnett on Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 12:33:22AM -0400: > > I've spent about 15 hours in the last two days trying to wind my > way through the maze I'm dealing with. > > First, I have a Redhat 6.2 server running Plesk Server > Administrator. Plesk creates a fairly secure environment, including > using suexec for cgi-bin security. > > This is giving me fits, since it means I have to give special > ownership and specific rights to the /home/mailman/cgi-bin > directory. This means that once I get this directory set so that the > cgi-bin files will execute that bin/check_perms returns a bunch of > errors, ie: it thinks that most of it should be owned by mailman > instead of the suexec group id. > > Also, bin/check_perms suggests that the cgi-bin directory should > be chmod 02775, but suexec insists on 02755. Also, I had to > chown a lot of files in the /home/mailman directory to the suexec > id, ie: chown -R fiberhos.pleskcli instead of mailman.mailman. > > I'm wondering at this point if I can even get it to work at all... > > Am I beating a dead horse? > > What do I have so far? If I log into the server at: > https://www.fiberhosting.com/mailman/admin, I get the admin > page, but if I try to open > https://www.fiberhosting.com/mailman/admin/test, it just locks up > and waits several minutes until it times out. There is nothing written > to the logs/error file or any other file in the logs directory. the > suexec log shows that a cgi script ran without problems. There is > nothing in the apache logs. After it timed out, the python process > stopped. (ps aux) > > I'd really appreciate any help I can get from any of you. Thanks... > > Here is some information on the server (from an error I corrected > during my getting permissions set) > > Redhat 6.2 > > Mailman version 2.0beta5 > > Python information: > > sys.version 1.5.2 (#1, Feb 1 2000, 16:32:16) [GCC egcs-2.91.66 > 19990314/Linux (egcs- > sys.executable /usr/bin/python > sys.prefix /usr > sys.exec_prefix /usr > sys.path /usr > sys.platform linux-i386 > > Environment variables: > > SSL_SERVER_I_DN > /C=RU/O=BSG/CN=als.nsk.bsgdesign.com/CN=localhost > HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate > SSL_SERVER_CN localhost > HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us > SSL_SERVER_C RU > GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 > SSL_SERVER_O BSG > HTTP_ACCEPT */* > REQUEST_URI /mailman/admin/test > SSL_SERVER_I_C RU > SSL_SSLEAY_VERSION OpenSSL 0.9.4 09 Aug 1999 > HTTPS on > HTTP_HOST www.fiberhosting.com > SSL_SERVER_I_O BSG > SERVER_ADMIN admin at fiberhosting.com > SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/admin > HTTPS_SECRETKEYSIZE 128 > PYTHONPATH /home/mailman > SSL_PROTOCOL_VERSION SSLv3 > HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; > Windows NT) > DOCUMENT_ROOT > /usr/local/plesk/apache/vhosts/fiberhosting.com/httpsdocs > SERVER_ADDR 206.132.232.94 > SSL_SERVER_I_CN localhost > SERVER_PORT 443 > HTTPS_KEYSIZE 128 > CHARSET_HTTP_METHOD https:// > UNIQUE_ID OaXq286E6F4AAFS-DgE > REMOTE_ADDR 207.30.74.40 > SERVER_NAME www.fiberhosting.com > HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive > CHARSET_SERVER_NAME www.fiberhosting.com:443 > SSL_SERVER_DN > /C=RU/O=BSG/CN=als.nsk.bsgdesign.com/CN=localhost > CHARSET_SERVER_PORT 443 > SSL_CIPHER RC4-MD5 > PATH /bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin > QUERY_STRING > SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 > PATH_INFO /test > REMOTE_PORT 2754 > REQUEST_METHOD GET > PATH_TRANSLATED > /usr/local/plesk/apache/vhosts/fiberhosting.com/httpsdocs/test > SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/admin > SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.12 Ben-SSL/1.38 (Unix) > PHP/3.0.15 FrontPage/4.0.4.3 rus/PL29.4 > HTTPS_CIPHER RC4-MD5 > > > > -- > Phil Barnett mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net > WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ > FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [ charles hamilton dale ] From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Mon Aug 28 17:31:45 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:31:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change list configs Message-ID: Okay, I recently moved approximately 20 lists from an old Mailman v1.1 server to a new Mailman v2.0b4 server. On the old server, the lists were at http://lists.mydomain.com/private/, now they are at http://dnindns1.mydomain.com/mailman. If I go to http://dnindns1.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo, then to the "list admin overview page", then select the list, then enter the List Administrative Password I get to a page where I can change the General Options of this particular list. If I scroll down, there is a blank for the "Host name this list prefers". In this blank, it currently says "lists.mydomain.com". There is also a blank for the "Base URL for Mailman web interface". In this blank, it currently says "http://lists.mydomain.com/private. I have tried changing these entries to "dnindns1.neonsoft.com" and "http://dnindns1.mydomain.com/mailman" respectively. Once I hit the "Submit Your Changes" button, I am then once again challenged for a password. When I enter it, it takes me back to the General Options page and the entries are NOT changed... Why can't I change this? Is there a way to edit this manually instead of using the web-based interface? Is there a per-list config file that can be edited by hand? Or do I have to use Python? Thanks. -robert From minter at lunenburg.org Mon Aug 28 18:06:48 2000 From: minter at lunenburg.org (H. Wade Minter) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted-posting lists Message-ID: What's the easiest way to set up a mailman list for one-way, restricted posting only (for example, an announcements list). The "restrict posting to list members" option seems to allow either anyone in the world or anyone on the list, depending on how it's toggled, to post, and the welcome message says "To post to this list, etc....". I need to set up a list so that only 2-3 people can post to it, but anyone can subscribe to read it. I'm running 2.0b5. Ideas? Thanks, Wade From mtobias at gopu.wustl.edu Mon Aug 28 18:09:29 2000 From: mtobias at gopu.wustl.edu (Malcolm Tobias) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin moderation and forwarding of rejection notice Message-ID: <39AA8EB9.C12F9147@gopu.wustl.edu> Greetings All, I'm running Mailman 2.0b5 and co-administering a closed, moderated list. When rejecting posts, it would be nice if I could forward both the message and the reason for rejecting the message to the admins. Currently, the "additionally forward this message to" feature only includes the base message and not the reason for rejection. I'm not sure if this falls in the bug or feature request category. Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tobias mtobias at wugrav.wustl.edu From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Mon Aug 28 18:34:40 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change list configs Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0668@EMAIL> > -----Original Message----- > From: Meredith, Robert [mailto:robert.meredith at neonsoft.com] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:32 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change list configs > > Okay, I recently moved approximately 20 lists from an old Mailman v1.1 > server to a new Mailman v2.0b4 server. On the old server, [snip] > I have tried changing these entries to "dnindns1.neonsoft.com" and > "http://dnindns1.mydomain.com/mailman" respectively. Once I > hit the "Submit > Your Changes" button, I am then once again challenged for a > password. When > I enter it, it takes me back to the General Options page and > the entries are > NOT changed... Why can't I change this? Is there a way to edit this > manually instead of using the web-based interface? Upgrade to beta 5, the cookie code has been re-done, and should fix that problem (at least it did for me). > Is there a per-list config file that can be edited by hand? > Or do I have to > use Python? Thanks. There is no plain text file, but you can use the with_list command to get access to the list config. Later, Greg From kevin at maxson.com Mon Aug 28 19:37:06 2000 From: kevin at maxson.com (Kevin of Thornbury) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:37:06 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 / RedHat 6.1 Message-ID: <39AAA342.F38169DB@maxson.com> Hello! This weekend I upgraded my Mailman 1.0 to Mailman 2.0 beta 5 on my RedHat 6.1 server. What I've found so far is one mailing list is unreachable. While I can get to the admin pages of other mailing lists fine, this one won't display. Netscape just says, "Connect: Host X contacted. Waiting for reply" and hangs there. Eventually I think it gives a "document contains no data" error. I've tried to rmlist -a and then newlist but it doesn't solve my problem, I can't get to it. I've even created a "test" list since the upgrade, and it seems to work fine. (Of course, I still get internal server errors sometimes and /var/log/messages tells me nothing.) Also, I'm getting the following errors mailied to me, which make no sense at all: *** /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_Lggger__fp' in ignored Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_Lggger__fp' in ignored Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_Lggger__fp' in ignored *** /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 46, in ? from Mailman.Bouncer import Bouncer ValueError: bad marshal data *** /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 42, in ? from Mailman.HTMLFormatter import HTMLFormatter File "/home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 27, in ? from htmlformat import * ValueError: bad marshal data *** I have no idea what's going on, and I don't know Python. Can anyone offer help? _____ |_|_| Kevin Maxson (Lord Kevin of Thornbury) | | | Electronic Publications Manager, SCA, Inc. \|/ kevin at maxson.com http://www.sca.org From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Mon Aug 28 20:50:44 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:50:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 / RedHat 6.1 References: <39AAA342.F38169DB@maxson.com> Message-ID: <39AAB484.14710EF0@west.sun.com> Looks like a corrupt config.db; if you can try to re-copy, or compare it (with, say, cmp) to the original, or something, I'd try that. Kevin of Thornbury wrote: > > Hello! > > This weekend I upgraded my Mailman 1.0 to Mailman 2.0 beta 5 on my > RedHat 6.1 server. > > What I've found so far is one mailing list is unreachable. While I can > get to the admin pages of other mailing lists fine, this one won't > display. Netscape just says, "Connect: Host X contacted. Waiting for > reply" and hangs there. Eventually I think it gives a "document > contains no data" error. I've tried to rmlist -a and then > newlist but it doesn't solve my problem, I can't get to it. I've > even created a "test" list since the upgrade, and it seems to work > fine. (Of course, I still get internal server errors sometimes and > /var/log/messages tells me nothing.) > > Also, I'm getting the following errors mailied to me, which make no > sense at all: > > *** > > /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_Lggger__fp' in Logger.__del__ of > StampedLogger instance at 80e6578> ignored > Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_Lggger__fp' in _Syslog.__del__ of _Syslog > instance at 81461a0> ignored > Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_Lggger__fp' in Logger.__del__ of > StampedLogger instance at 811b0f8> ignored > > *** > > /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 46, in ? > from Mailman.Bouncer import Bouncer > ValueError: bad marshal data > > *** > > /usr/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/qrunner > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 85, in ? > from Mailman import MailList > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 42, in ? > from Mailman.HTMLFormatter import HTMLFormatter > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/HTMLFormatter.py", line 27, in ? > from htmlformat import * > ValueError: bad marshal data > > *** > > I have no idea what's going on, and I don't know Python. Can anyone > offer help? > _____ > |_|_| Kevin Maxson (Lord Kevin of Thornbury) > | | | Electronic Publications Manager, SCA, Inc. > \|/ kevin at maxson.com http://www.sca.org > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From kevin at maxson.com Mon Aug 28 21:53:28 2000 From: kevin at maxson.com (Kevin of Thornbury) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:53:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.0 beta 5 / RedHat 6.1 References: <39AAA342.F38169DB@maxson.com> <39AAB484.14710EF0@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <39AAC338.78CE5C71@maxson.com> Dan Mick wrote: > > Looks like a corrupt config.db; if you can try to re-copy, or > compare it (with, say, cmp) to the original, or something, I'd try that. Thank you for your response. I've done a check_db on each of my 17 lists, they all seem fine. The problem list's db file is long gone, which is fine, a db from scratch (which a rmlist/newlist should have done) will do. Update: I can now get into the admin page for the problem list, but the cron errors and internal server errors persist. Thanks for your help. _____ |_|_| Kevin Maxson (Lord Kevin of Thornbury) | | | Electronic Publications Manager, SCA, Inc. \|/ kevin at maxson.com http://www.sca.org From paz at apriori.net Mon Aug 28 21:59:58 2000 From: paz at apriori.net (paz) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install headache Message-ID: Installing 2.0b5 on FreeBSD 3.4. Apache 1.3.9. Python installed and apparently happy. I've tried a few different install attempts based on prior notes and the install instructions. Also tried the package from the FreeBSD site; no joy. I grabbed the source and began... As root: Created user mailman. FreeBSD adduser created group mailman at the same time. Default shell is tcsh. Switched to user mailman. Copied mailman-2.0beta5 into /home/mailman/mailman-2.0beta5.tgz. tar xvzf mailman-2.0beta5.tgz. Saw much stuff created. su - root chmod -R g+s /home/mailman drop back to user mailman cd to /home/mailman/mailman-2.0beta5 ./configure --with-mail-gid=1 --with-cgi-gid=65534 make make install bin/check_perms Console displays: mailman @ harpo:~/mailman/mailman-2.0beta5[114] bin/check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 35, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths mailman @ harpo:~/mailman/mailman-2.0beta5[115] cat /etc/group The same display occurs for bin/check_perms -f. I tried ignoring this and plowing on anyway. I edited the apache.conf file to provide the pipermail alias and the cgi ScriptAlias and restarted the server. I tried creating a list to test things out. Here's what I got: mailman @ harpo:~/mailman/mailman-2.0beta5[106] ./bin/newlist Traceback (innermost last): File "./bin/newlist", line 37, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths I went back a couple of times and did make clean and tried variations on the theme of ./configure (various options tried here) make make install No joy... Any help appreciated. cheers - -- Philip. From robert.meredith at neonsoft.com Mon Aug 28 21:56:27 2000 From: robert.meredith at neonsoft.com (Meredith, Robert) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:56:27 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change list configs Message-ID: Ok, Upgrading to 2.0b5 helped some of my issues but I still have one. If I dump the config.db files (for backup reasons) I can see that there are two incorrect entries ('host_name': 'lists.mydomain.com' AND 'web_page_url': 'http://lists.mydomain.com/private'). How do I change these with "withlist"? I looked at the help for this, and can get into the ">>>" prompt. What should I type from here? Am I in the right place to change this? -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Leblanc [mailto:GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:35 AM To: Meredith, Robert; mailman-users at python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Can't change list configs > -----Original Message----- > From: Meredith, Robert [mailto:robert.meredith at neonsoft.com] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 8:32 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change list configs > > Okay, I recently moved approximately 20 lists from an old Mailman v1.1 > server to a new Mailman v2.0b4 server. On the old server, [snip] > I have tried changing these entries to "dnindns1.neonsoft.com" and > "http://dnindns1.mydomain.com/mailman" respectively. Once I > hit the "Submit > Your Changes" button, I am then once again challenged for a > password. When > I enter it, it takes me back to the General Options page and > the entries are > NOT changed... Why can't I change this? Is there a way to edit this > manually instead of using the web-based interface? Upgrade to beta 5, the cookie code has been re-done, and should fix that problem (at least it did for me). > Is there a per-list config file that can be edited by hand? > Or do I have to > use Python? Thanks. There is no plain text file, but you can use the with_list command to get access to the list config. Later, Greg ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From midnight at the-oasis.net Mon Aug 28 22:13:29 2000 From: midnight at the-oasis.net (Phil Barnett) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:13:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail Message-ID: <39AA8FA9.9709.5DE508B@localhost> Is anyone here using Mailman with Qmail? -- Phil Barnett mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net From libertzone at chello.be Mon Aug 28 22:29:32 2000 From: libertzone at chello.be (Libert'zone) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:29:32 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail References: <39AA8FA9.9709.5DE508B@localhost> Message-ID: <005d01c0112e$aeb773c0$8f8284d5@upc.chello.be> ME DESINSCRIRE UNSUBSCRIBE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Barnett To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:13 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail > > Is anyone here using Mailman with Qmail? > > > -- > Phil Barnett mailto:midnight at the-oasis.net > WWW http://www.the-oasis.net/ > FTP Site ftp://ftp.the-oasis.net > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From dan at ssc.com Mon Aug 28 23:17:17 2000 From: dan at ssc.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail In-Reply-To: <005d01c0112e$aeb773c0$8f8284d5@upc.chello.be>; from libertzone@chello.be on Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:29:32PM +0200 References: <39AA8FA9.9709.5DE508B@localhost> <005d01c0112e$aeb773c0$8f8284d5@upc.chello.be> Message-ID: <20000828141717.A3510@ssc.com> On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:29:32PM +0200, Libert'zone wrote: > ME DESINSCRIRE UNSUBSCRIBE > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Barnett > To: > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:13 PM > Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail > > > > > > Is anyone here using Mailman with Qmail? Not I. But I'm using it with Postfix, which has similar "Delivered-To:" loop prevention. Maybe this is a FAQ. Bottom line: you gotta control the "Delivered-To:" headers. Either by having the list manager (or a wrapper) excise them, or by exercising options within the MTA to omit them or control their interpretation. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Wilder SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549 Phone: 206-782-7733 x123 Seattle, WA 98155-0549 URL http://www.ssc.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- From wheakory at isu.edu Mon Aug 28 23:24:53 2000 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:24:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving from mailman 1.1 Message-ID: <39AAD8A5.71DD6DA8@isu.edu> What would be the major advantage I would gain from converting from Mailman 1.1 to the latest version, and also could you point me to the upgrade procedure to do this. I have a production machine that contains over 100 Mailman lists at our University and I can't have much down time. Mailman 1.1 has really been running smoothly for me here, but I thought I would see what the advantages of the latest versions are. From tpepper at opensales.com Tue Aug 29 01:24:46 2000 From: tpepper at opensales.com (Tim Pepper) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving errors & lock files Message-ID: I have a Mailman install (2.0beta2) running on a Debian linux machine with python 1.5.2 (debian's 1.5.2-10 python-base package) which is giving me untold grief right now. Messages coming into lists are getting sent on to the list properly as best I can tell. Quite often though, the user sending a message will also recieve an error message back from the server, similar to the following (this one pulled from the $prefix/logs/error file): Aug 28 09:09:39 2000 post(3233): Traceback (innermost last): post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/scripts/post", line 86, in ? post(3233): main() post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/scripts/post", line 62, in main post(3233): mlist.Post(msg) post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1293, in Post post(3233): Mailman.Handlers.HandlerAPI.DeliverToList(self, msg) post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 61, in DeliverToList post(3233): pipeline_delivery(mlist, msg, pipeline) post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/HandlerAPI.py", line 37, in pipeline_delivery post(3233): func(mlist, msg) post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py", line 32, in process post(3233): mlist.ArchiveMail(msg) post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 200, in ArchiveMail post(3233): lock.lock() post(3233): File "/www/sites/lists/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 286, in lock post(3233): raise StaleLockFileError( post(3233): Mailman.LockFile . StaleLockFileError : Stale lock file found linked to file: /www/sites/lists/mailman/locks/devel.archiver.lock (requires manual intervention) The $prefix/locks directory usually then upon inspection has some entries like: -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 86 Aug 25 14:41 devel.archiver.lock -rw-rw-r-- 16 mailman mailman 86 Aug 24 08:07 devel.archiver.lock.lists.10521 -rw-rw-r-- 16 mailman mailman 86 Aug 24 08:07 devel.archiver.lock.lists.11821 -rw-rw-r-- 16 mailman mailman 86 Aug 24 08:07 devel.archiver.lock.lists.12474 If I delete all of these and then 'touch devel.archiver.lock' things seem to work for a while again. I don't know if the lock file needs to exist, but it seemed like functioning lists had them even when the ...lock.lists.##### files weren't there, so I thought I'd recreate the file after killing it. The existing ones usually appear to contain a textual reference to the ...lock.lists.##### type files. I also came across files in the locks directory such as: devel<.lock devel=20.lock docs Message-ID: <00b101c01146$b7d13d20$8f8284d5@upc.chello.be> ET MERDE UNSUSCRIBE ME ----- Original Message ----- From: Kory Wheatley To: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:24 PM Subject: [Mailman-Users] Moving from mailman 1.1 > What would be the major advantage I would gain from converting from > Mailman 1.1 to the latest version, and also could you point me to the > upgrade procedure to do this. I have a production machine that contains > over 100 Mailman lists at our University and I can't have much down > time. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000829/8d811a1a/attachment.html From mdunston at music.vt.edu Tue Aug 29 02:09:50 2000 From: mdunston at music.vt.edu (Michael Dunston) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't always respond? Message-ID: <20000829000950.20917@mail.music.vt.edu> Anyone else have problems with the admin pages randomly not responding for some lists? For some reason, every so often the admin page link does not work for various lists. The problem floats around from list to list and usually goes away after a day or so. At first I thought the list had been corrupted, but this does not appear to be the case. I can remove the list entirely, restart the computer, create a new list with the same name an the problem persists. It never seems to happen to more than one list at a time. (1/15 at the moment) Anyone else have similar experiences or ideas? Thanks.. . . . . . . . . . . . Michael Dunston Music and Technology http://www.music.vt.edu Virginia Tech School of the Arts From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Aug 29 02:13:31 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't always respond? Message-ID: <200008290012.RAA09584@utopia.west.sun.com> > Anyone else have problems with the admin pages randomly not responding > for some lists? For some reason, every so often the admin page link does > not work for various lists. The problem floats around from list to list > and usually goes away after a day or so. At first I thought the list had > been corrupted, but this does not appear to be the case. I can remove > the list entirely, restart the computer, create a new list with the same > name an the problem persists. It never seems to happen to more than one > list at a time. (1/15 at the moment) > > Anyone else have similar experiences or ideas? Thanks.. locks are the likely culprit. When it happens, look at the contents of the locks directory. Consider enabling lock debugging. From haroldp at sierraweb.com Tue Aug 29 02:31:15 2000 From: haroldp at sierraweb.com (Harold Paulson) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:31:15 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricted-posting lists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wade, the quick answer is, "there is no easy way". You can restrict who can post to the list, just check out the "Privacy" section of the admin pages. That is pretty easy to do. However, the emails that users receive will still tell users how to post to the list, and generally give them every indication that it is an interactive-type discussion list. Dan Mick wrote a great little hack that allows you to replace all of the files in the global templates/ dir with per-list templates, allowing you to customize ALL of the email messages. You can get the patch on SourceForge. I really hope this patch makes it into the release version... Also you will want to hack up the HTML on the User pages so it looks like a one way list as well It's doable, but the upshot is that it is a lot of work to use Mailman for broadcast-style mailing lists. Good Luck. - H >What's the easiest way to set up a mailman list for one-way, restricted >posting only (for example, an announcements list). The "restrict posting >to list members" option seems to allow either anyone in the world or >anyone on the list, depending on how it's toggled, to post, and the >welcome message says "To post to this list, etc....". > >I need to set up a list so that only 2-3 people can post to it, but anyone >can subscribe to read it. I'm running 2.0b5. > >Ideas? > >Thanks, >Wade Harold Paulson Sierra Web Design haroldp at sierraweb.com http://www.sierraweb.com VOICE: 775.833.9500 FAX: 810.314.1517 From jarrell at vtserf.cc.vt.edu Tue Aug 29 02:56:38 2000 From: jarrell at vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:56:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't always respond? Message-ID: <200008290056.UAA15312@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:09:50 -0400 >From: Michael Dunston >Anyone else have problems with the admin pages randomly not responding >for some lists? For some reason, every so often the admin page link does >not work for various lists. The problem floats around from list to list >and usually goes away after a day or so. At first I thought the list had >been corrupted, but this does not appear to be the case. I can remove >the list entirely, restart the computer, create a new list with the same >name an the problem persists. It never seems to happen to more than one >list at a time. (1/15 at the moment) Assuming you're not getting errors in your log files, it's probably a cookie problem. In fact, that's strongly implied by the fact that creating a new list with the same name. Does the problem go away if you exit the browser and start it up again? (This only works with the most recent beta, which I notice you're running, because the new beta makes the cookie a "this session only" cookie). There were a *lot* of cookie maintenance changes fairly recently. Make sure your workstation, and the server, have their clocks in sync; you should be running NTP on your server; since you're also at VT, I know that we have 2 local ntp servers you can easily chime off of, (since I run one :-)). From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Aug 29 02:57:49 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:57:49 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set clobber_date = 1 by default? Message-ID: <20000828175749.V4317@marc.merlins.org> While I find it very regretable that clobber_date isn't set to 1 by default (i.e. mailman trusts whatever date is thrown at it by the MUA, which often causes completely ludicrous pages in web archives (Oct 2004 or 1990)), it's only a misguided default and I should be able to change it, right? :-) Well, actually I didn't find anything in Defaults.py that would let me set clobber_date to 1 by default. Did I miss anything or is that option absent? Can we please have mm 2.0 not trust the MUA for date at archiving time by default when lists are created? Thanks, Marc -- Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers) Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Aug 29 03:11:12 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set clobber_date = 1 by default? Message-ID: <200008290110.SAA11755@utopia.west.sun.com> > While I find it very regretable that clobber_date isn't set to 1 by default > (i.e. mailman trusts whatever date is thrown at it by the MUA, which often > causes completely ludicrous pages in web archives (Oct 2004 or 1990)), it's > only a misguided default and I should be able to change it, right? :-) > > Well, actually I didn't find anything in Defaults.py that would let me set > clobber_date to 1 by default. > > Did I miss anything or is that option absent? Right; in fact Archiver.py says: # Configurable self.archive = 1 # 0=public, 1=private: self.archive_private = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_PRIVATE self.archive_volume_frequency = \ mm_cfg.DEFAULT_ARCHIVE_VOLUME_FREQUENCY # Not configurable self.clobber_date = 0 > Can we please have mm 2.0 not trust the MUA for date at archiving time by > default when lists are created? Speaking solely for myself, I'd rather not, but I can see room for debate. At least it would be nice to have it in mm_cfg.py. One can always change Archiver.py for one's installation, I suppose. From tom.moore at landslidedesign.com Tue Aug 29 03:20:37 2000 From: tom.moore at landslidedesign.com (Tom Moore) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:20:37 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: list admin server doesn't always respond? In-Reply-To: <20000829001405.7983E1D18E@dinsdale.python.org> References: <20000829001405.7983E1D18E@dinsdale.python.org> Message-ID: I was having the same trouble. I happen to know that at least one of Michael's servers is an OS X Server box, as is mine, and I wonder how much that has to do with the problem. I couldn't get a list to respond from the admin links (or after submitting from the "subscribe" page). I deleted the list, downgraded to beta 4, reinstalled beta 5, and so forth, and nothing worked. But then the problem just mysteriously went away, and new lists are working just fine. Thanks for this reply: >From: Dan Mick >... Consider enabling lock debugging. ...how is this done, and what does it do? Many thanks. Tom Moore >From: Michael Dunston >To: >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:09:50 -0400 >Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't always respond? > >Anyone else have problems with the admin pages randomly not responding >for some lists? For some reason, every so often the admin page link does >not work for various lists. The problem floats around from list to list >and usually goes away after a day or so. At first I thought the list had >been corrupted, but this does not appear to be the case. I can remove >the list entirely, restart the computer, create a new list with the same >name an the problem persists. It never seems to happen to more than one >list at a time. (1/15 at the moment) > >Anyone else have similar experiences or ideas? Thanks.. >. . . . . . . . . . . >Michael Dunston >Music and Technology >http://www.music.vt.edu >Virginia Tech School of the Arts > -- Tom Moore President, Landslide Design tom.moore at landslidedesign.com 11 Forest Ave., Rockville, MD 20850 phone: 301.762.0627 fax: 301.762.5156 From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Aug 29 03:36:16 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] re: list admin server doesn't always respond? Message-ID: <200008290135.SAA12240@utopia.west.sun.com> > >... Consider enabling lock debugging. > > ...how is this done, and what does it do? Add LIST_LOCK_DEBUGGING = 1 to mm_cfg.py, and you'll get messages to logs/locks about lock operations that can help diagnose the problem This diff to LockFile.py can provide even more info if that proves insufficient (adds a process name and args to the log entry): Index: Mailman/LockFile.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py,v retrieving revision 1.20 diff -r1.20 LockFile.py 65a66,67 > import sys > import string 178c180 < self.__logprefix = os.path.split(self.__lockfile)[1] --- > self.__logprefix = string.join(sys.argv) + ": " + os.path.split(self.__lockfile)[1] From marc_news at valinux.com Tue Aug 29 03:42:50 2000 From: marc_news at valinux.com (Marc MERLIN) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:42:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set clobber_date = 1 by default? In-Reply-To: <200008290110.SAA11755@utopia.west.sun.com>; from Dan.Mick@west.sun.com on Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:11:12PM -0700 References: <200008290110.SAA11755@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000828184250.W4317@marc.merlins.org> On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 06:11:12PM -0700, Dan Mick wrote: > > Did I miss anything or is that option absent? > > Right; in fact Archiver.py says: > > # Not configurable > self.clobber_date = 0 I changed this to 1, which will work until I upgrade mailman :-) > > Can we please have mm 2.0 not trust the MUA for date at archiving time by > > default when lists are created? > > Speaking solely for myself, I'd rather not, but I can see room for > debate. I'm just tired of people creating random web pages because their date is messed up. It really looks silly. Besides, you typically get messages within minutes of them being sent, so the local date should be really close to the actual sent date. > At least it would be nice to have it in mm_cfg.py. Yep :-) > One can always change Archiver.py for one's installation, I suppose. Yeah, works for now. Of course, the next upgrade will blow it away... Thanks, Marc -- Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers) Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 29 03:45:38 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 18:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to set clobber_date = 1 by default? Message-ID: <200008290144.SAA12600@utopia.west.sun.com> > > One can always change Archiver.py for one's installation, I suppose. > > Yeah, works for now. Of course, the next upgrade will blow it away... A useful hint: if you make a CVS tree, then you can change your local file and 99% of the time just forget about it. I finally got religion and did this, and it turns out that, if Barry changes a file I've changed, most of the time CVS merges it correctly and automatically. For a change like this, it will certainly be correct. That has the other advantage of being on the bleeding edge if you want to (you can always check out the Last Tarball Version if you want using symbolic tags) From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Tue Aug 29 04:27:33 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:27:33 -0700 Subject: cookies (was: RE: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't alway s respond?) Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0670@EMAIL> > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Jarrell [mailto:jarrell at vtserf.cc.vt.edu] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:57 PM > To: mailman-users at python.org; mdunston at music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't always respond? > > Assuming you're not getting errors in your log files, it's probably > a cookie problem. In fact, that's strongly implied by the fact that > creating a new list with the same name. Does the problem go > away if you > exit the browser and start it up again? (This only works > with the most > recent beta, which I notice you're running, because the new beta makes > the cookie a "this session only" cookie). There were a *lot* Does the latest mailman still require on-disk cookies? On my normal web browser I don't allow cookies to be written to disk, but I've got no objections to having session cookies and such. Thanks, Greg From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Tue Aug 29 04:32:46 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: cookies (was: RE: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't alway s respond?) Message-ID: <200008290231.TAA13704@utopia.west.sun.com> > Does the latest mailman still require on-disk cookies? On my normal web > browser I don't allow cookies to be written to disk, but I've got no > objections to having session cookies and such. Thanks, I don't think it ever required "on-disk" cookies (unless there's something that implies that I don't know about) but the latest versions use "session" cookies (i.e. only valid for this browser session) and I believe the expiry time has been removed too. From ralph at inputplus.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 29 10:36:52 2000 From: ralph at inputplus.demon.co.uk (Ralph Corderoy) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:36:52 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't always respond? In-Reply-To: Message from Ron Jarrell of "Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:56:38 EDT." <200008290056.UAA15312@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <200008290836.JAA02936@inputplus.demon.co.uk> Hi, > Assuming you're not getting errors in your log files, it's probably a > cookie problem. In fact, that's strongly implied by the fact that > creating a new list with the same name. Does the problem go away if > you exit the browser and start it up again? (This only works with > the most recent beta, which I notice you're running, because the new > beta makes the cookie a "this session only" cookie). There were a > *lot* of cookie maintenance changes fairly recently. Look out for broken browsers. I recently got Opera to agree that 4.0 has a bug where it can save temporary cookies to disc as if they were permanent ones set to expire in the future. On re-starting Opera it re-supplies those temporary cookies back to the site. Ralph. From nancy.aharpour at libero.it Tue Aug 29 12:33:22 2000 From: nancy.aharpour at libero.it (nancy.aharpour at libero.it) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:33:22 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't subscibe any .... Message-ID: Why I can't subscribe anyone by web page to the list that I've just created? I can see from the subscribe log that the request in pending but I don't know how to delivery it. help me!!! nancy From paz at apriori.net Tue Aug 29 15:21:02 2000 From: paz at apriori.net (paz) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] different server, same result (install problems/questions) Message-ID: After failing to install via package and by compiling the source on a system at work, I realized I could test installing 2.0beta5 on a FreeBSD server at home. I still can't create a new list using bin/newlist; I get the now familiar result: ------------------------------------- $ ./bin/newlist Traceback (innermost last): File "./bin/newlist", line 37, in ? import paths ImportError: No module named paths $ ------------------------------------- What does this mean? I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 on both servers. The one at work is behind a dorporate firewall, so I can't use the ports collection. The one at home (whose results are above) can use the ports collection in the normal manner - compiling/installing/resolving dependencies right off the net. Installing on the server at home, I noticed a couple of interesting things: -- The install program did create user and group mailman, but I couldn't su to user mailman after the install was completed. Is this by design? Are administrators no longer supposed to su to user mailman to do things like create new lists? The passwd file listed the home directory as "-s", whatever that means. -- The install directly off the net placed the files in a subdir off of /usr/ports/distfiles; no files were copied to /home/mailman. Do we usually copy the files there manually when done with the install? -- Bottom line, I'm still uncertain how to actually get mailman working properly. The automatic install from the ports collection didn't even seem to work properly. What's necessary to resolve the "No Module Named Paths" problem? cheers - -- Philip. From kevin at maxson.com Tue Aug 29 19:24:08 2000 From: kevin at maxson.com (Kevin of Thornbury) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:24:08 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't always respond? References: <20000829000950.20917@mail.music.vt.edu> Message-ID: <39ABF1B8.DF9EC327@maxson.com> Michael Dunston wrote: > > Anyone else have problems with the admin pages randomly not responding > for some lists? > > Anyone else have similar experiences or ideas? Thanks.. I get that sometimes, too. But I don't know how to fix it. _____ |_|_| Kevin Maxson (Lord Kevin of Thornbury) | | | Electronic Publications Manager, SCA, Inc. \|/ kevin at maxson.com http://www.sca.org From rpyne at kinfolk.org Tue Aug 29 19:35:26 2000 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:35:26 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors after moving to new server In-Reply-To: <39ABF1B8.DF9EC327@maxson.com> References: <20000829000950.20917@mail.music.vt.edu> <39ABF1B8.DF9EC327@maxson.com> Message-ID: <00082911415101.16645@teton> I moved my entire system to a new machine yesterday and now I get error like this whenever trying to use admin or admindb. I have tried everything I can think of. Please help. I have several list administrators chompping at the bit. The new system is Mandrake-Linux 7.1, I did a clean configure, make and install of mailman after rsyncing the home directory to the new machine. Thanks, --Richard Aug 29 11:28:50 2000 admin(32760): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(32760): [----- Mailman Version: 2.0beta5 -----] admin(32760): [----- Traceback ------] admin(32760): Traceback (innermost last): admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main admin(32760): main() admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main admin(32760): mlist.Save() admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save admin(32760): self.__save(dict) admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save admin(32760): os.link(fname, fname_last) admin(32760): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted admin(32760): [----- Python Information -----] admin(32760): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, May 9 2000, 15:05:56) [GCC 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)] admin(32760): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python admin(32760): sys.prefix = /usr admin(32760): sys.exec_prefix= /usr admin(32760): sys.path = /usr admin(32760): sys.platform = linux-i386 From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 29 20:29:42 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:29:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors after moving to new server References: <20000829000950.20917@mail.music.vt.edu> <39ABF1B8.DF9EC327@maxson.com> <00082911415101.16645@teton> Message-ID: <39AC0116.3047A97A@west.sun.com> You don't say it's Mandrake, but this looks like the symlinks problem. Have you read README.LINUX? Did it not apply? Richard Pyne wrote: > > I moved my entire system to a new machine yesterday and now I get error > like this whenever trying to use admin or admindb. > > I have tried everything I can think of. Please help. I have several > list administrators chompping at the bit. > > The new system is Mandrake-Linux 7.1, I did a clean configure, make and > install of mailman after rsyncing the home directory to the new machine. > > Thanks, > > --Richard > > Aug 29 11:28:50 2000 admin(32760): > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(32760): [----- > Mailman Version: 2.0beta5 -----] admin(32760): [----- Traceback ------] > admin(32760): Traceback (innermost last): > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > admin(32760): main() > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main > admin(32760): mlist.Save() > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save > admin(32760): self.__save(dict) > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save > admin(32760): os.link(fname, fname_last) > admin(32760): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted > admin(32760): [----- Python Information -----] > admin(32760): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, May 9 2000, 15:05:56) [GCC 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)] > admin(32760): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python > admin(32760): sys.prefix = /usr > admin(32760): sys.exec_prefix= /usr > admin(32760): sys.path = /usr > admin(32760): sys.platform = linux-i386 > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 29 20:34:31 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:34:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] different server, same result (install problems/questions) References: Message-ID: <39AC0237.899C20B2@west.sun.com> paz wrote: > > After failing to install via package and by compiling the source on a > system at work, I realized I could test installing 2.0beta5 on a FreeBSD > server at home. I still can't create a new list using bin/newlist; I get > the now familiar result: > > ------------------------------------- > $ ./bin/newlist > Traceback (innermost last): > File "./bin/newlist", line 37, in ? > import paths > ImportError: No module named paths > $ > ------------------------------------- > > What does this mean? For whatever reason, bin/newlist can't open paths.py, which is supposed to also live in bin. 1) is it there? 2) what are its permissions? 3) can you run newlist under something like truss or strace or whatever FreeBSD has to trace system calls and find out exactly why the open fails? > I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 on both servers. The one at work is behind a > dorporate firewall, so I can't use the ports collection. The one at home > (whose results are above) can use the ports collection in the normal > manner - compiling/installing/resolving dependencies right off the net. > > Installing on the server at home, I noticed a couple of interesting > things: > > -- The install program did create user and group mailman, but I couldn't > su to user mailman after the install was completed. The INSTALL script says to create these users by hand; is there something extra supplied outside the Mailman distribution that did before this? > Is this by design? Are > administrators no longer supposed to su to user mailman to do things like > create new lists? I don't know that that was ever recommended, but what I do is make myself a member of the mailman group, and then everything I have to do is accomplished via group permissions. > The passwd file listed the home directory as "-s", > whatever that means. Sounds wrong. I wonder what it was that really added those users? > -- The install directly off the net placed the files in a subdir off of > /usr/ports/distfiles; no files were copied to /home/mailman. Do we usually > copy the files there manually when done with the install? ? There's "get the files" and then there's "configure and install"; did you read INSTALL? > -- Bottom line, I'm still uncertain how to actually get mailman working > properly. The automatic install from the ports collection didn't even seem > to work properly. What's necessary to resolve the "No Module Named Paths" > problem? I've no idea what "the automatic install from the ports collection" means, so perhaps we're talking at cross-purposes, but maybe you should read INSTALL anyway. From rpyne at kinfolk.org Tue Aug 29 21:55:21 2000 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:55:21 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors after moving to new server In-Reply-To: <39AC0116.3047A97A@west.sun.com> References: <20000829000950.20917@mail.music.vt.edu> <00082911415101.16645@teton> <39AC0116.3047A97A@west.sun.com> Message-ID: <00082913583302.16645@teton> Actually, I did say it is Mandrake, but so was the old machine. You are right, it probably is a symlinks problem, but like most things Linux, the README says to do somenthing but gives no idea how. Can someone give some insight as to how to turn off restricted hardlinks. Is it a kernel configuration option or is controllable at the command level? Thanks, --Richard On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Dan Mick wrote: > You don't say it's Mandrake, but this looks like the symlinks problem. > Have you read README.LINUX? Did it not apply? > > Richard Pyne wrote: > > > > I moved my entire system to a new machine yesterday and now I get error > > like this whenever trying to use admin or admindb. > > > > I have tried everything I can think of. Please help. I have several > > list administrators chompping at the bit. > > > > The new system is Mandrake-Linux 7.1, I did a clean configure, make and > > install of mailman after rsyncing the home directory to the new machine. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Richard > > > > Aug 29 11:28:50 2000 admin(32760): > > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(32760): [----- > > Mailman Version: 2.0beta5 -----] admin(32760): [----- Traceback ------] > > admin(32760): Traceback (innermost last): > > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > > admin(32760): main() > > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main > > admin(32760): mlist.Save() > > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save > > admin(32760): self.__save(dict) > > admin(32760): File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save > > admin(32760): os.link(fname, fname_last) > > admin(32760): OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted > > admin(32760): [----- Python Information -----] > > admin(32760): sys.version = 1.5.2 (#1, May 9 2000, 15:05:56) [GCC 2.95.3 19991030 (prerelease)] > > admin(32760): sys.executable = /usr/bin/python > > admin(32760): sys.prefix = /usr > > admin(32760): sys.exec_prefix= /usr > > admin(32760): sys.path = /usr > > admin(32760): sys.platform = linux-i386 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jarrell at vt.edu Tue Aug 29 21:53:41 2000 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 15:53:41 -0400 Subject: cookies (was: RE: [Mailman-Users] list admin server doesn't alway s respond?) In-Reply-To: <200008290231.TAA13704@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000829155254.02d3aca0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> At 07:32 PM 8/28/00 -0700, Dan Mick wrote: >> Does the latest mailman still require on-disk cookies? On my normal web >> browser I don't allow cookies to be written to disk, but I've got no >> objections to having session cookies and such. Thanks, > >I don't think it ever required "on-disk" cookies (unless there's something >that implies that I don't know about) but the latest versions use >"session" cookies (i.e. only valid for this browser session) >and I believe the expiry time has been removed too. Actually, I think the expiry time is explicitly set to something that's already past; at least, I recall Barry finding a browser bug in some versions that would ignore an empty expiry date, but do the right thing for expired dates... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000829/08e61cb2/attachment.htm From jarrell at vt.edu Tue Aug 29 22:00:43 2000 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:00:43 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't subscibe any .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000829155404.02d42760@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> At 12:33 PM 8/29/00 +0200, nancy.aharpour at libero.it wrote: >Why I can't subscribe anyone by web page to the list that I've just >created? > >I can see from the subscribe log that the request in pending but I don't >know how to delivery it. Did you use the admin page, (whatever/mailman/admin/LISTNAME/members), or did you go to the listinfo pages (whatever/mailman/listinfo/LISTNAME) and subscribe them from there? If you used the listinfo page, then they're probably, if you took the defaults, waiting on confirmation from the subscriber to finish the signup process. Or, if you set it to moderator only, then they're waiting on *you* to approve them, and they probably have mail telling them they're waiting on the moderator to approve their subscription. You can tell that from the admindb page. (whatever/mailman/admindb/LISTNAME) (Those are URLs, of course, with "whatever" being your mailman host, and LISTNAME being whatever you called your list. For foo.com, and list "demolist", it'd be http://foo.com/mailman/admindb/demolist) As an admin, subscribe people via the admin page, which just goes and adds them to the list. The only reason an admin would use the member page is if they wanted to be able to explicitly set the password to something non-random. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000829/cb401404/attachment.html From paz at apriori.net Tue Aug 29 22:11:18 2000 From: paz at apriori.net (paz) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] different server, same result (install problems/questions) In-Reply-To: <39AC0237.899C20B2@west.sun.com> Message-ID: : > -- The install directly off the net placed the files in a subdir off of : > /usr/ports/distfiles; no files were copied to /home/mailman. Do we usually : > copy the files there manually when done with the install? : : ? There's "get the files" and then there's "configure and install"; did : you read INSTALL? : : > -- Bottom line, I'm still uncertain how to actually get mailman working : > properly. The automatic install from the ports collection didn't even seem : > to work properly. What's necessary to resolve the "No Module Named Paths" : > problem? : : I've no idea what "the automatic install from the ports collection" means, so : perhaps we're talking at cross-purposes, but maybe you should read INSTALL : anyway. We're definitely "talking at cross-purposes". Yes, I've read INSTALL a bunch of times. (I printed it out and checked off the items as I successfully accomplished them.) There's nothing wrong with not knowing how FreeBSD's ports collection works (or is supposed to work) if you're not familiar with FreeBSD. I've been running Mailman since revision 0.9 days. I referred to my installation notes from back then in trying to get this new install working on a different server. I also referred to the helpful notes received from people on this list back then, too. Sometimes the person responsible for creating the FreeBSD port for a particular program will pipe up and explain the why's and wherefore's of how s/he chose to make his install template and might even explain its idiosyncrasies. If a user detects an install problem like this, and the port maintainer helps to fix it, the fixes get funneled back into the port, thus making it better. cheers - -- Philip. From rpyne at kinfolk.org Tue Aug 29 22:10:53 2000 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:10:53 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Errors after moving to new server In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000829160640.02d4f3b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> References: <39ABF1B8.DF9EC327@maxson.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000829160640.02d4f3b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <00082914142003.16645@teton> Yes, the paths are all the same. All of the home and data directories were moved to the new machine using rsync -alz to maintain the permissions, ownership, and directory structure. I think the restricted hardlinks may be the problem, but I am still trying to figure out how to turn them off. Thanks, --Richard On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Ron Jarrell wrote: > > At 11:35 AM 8/29/00 -0600, you wrote: > >I moved my entire system to a new machine yesterday and now I get error > >like this whenever trying to use admin or admindb. > > > >I have tried everything I can think of. Please help. I have several > >list administrators chompping at the bit. > > > >The new system is Mandrake-Linux 7.1, I did a clean configure, make and > >install of mailman after rsyncing the home directory to the new machine. > > Are the new lists in the same path as the old lists, but on the new machine? > The pathnames are coded into the list databases. It looks like it's trying to > do hardlinks across filesystems... > ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Tue Aug 29 22:27:14 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 13:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] different server, same result (install problems/questions) Message-ID: <200008292026.NAA07571@utopia.west.sun.com> > We're definitely "talking at cross-purposes". > Sometimes the person responsible for creating the FreeBSD port for a > particular program will pipe up and explain the why's and wherefore's of > how s/he chose to make his install template and might even explain its > idiosyncrasies. If a user detects an install problem like this, and the > port maintainer helps to fix it, the fixes get funneled back into the > port, thus making it better. Seems like the person responsible for the not-part-of-Mailman-and-therefore- completely-unknown-to-the-rest-of-us add-on installation gunge for FreeBSD is the right person to ask, then; hopefully they left their tracks on some added file?... From ncooler at nandomedia.com Tue Aug 29 23:32:25 2000 From: ncooler at nandomedia.com (Neil Cooler) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:32:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fw: Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs Message-ID: <004401c01200$a19d1460$02000003@kneel.nc.rr.com> Could someone give me some ideas on how to fix this? --neil -----Original Message----- From: Cron Daemon To: mailman at lists.nandomedia.com Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs >Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in ? > main() > File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 43, in main > count = mlist.NumRequestsPending() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 92, in NumRequestsPending > self.__opendb() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 60, in __opendb > assert self.Locked() and self.__filename >AssertionError > From wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au Wed Aug 30 03:04:07 2000 From: wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:04:07 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 Message-ID: <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> I've now been using Mailman (note no studly caps) for a while so, here are some comments: - I've placed my lists at /lists/ instead of /mailman/ so that required a patch to SecurityManager.py to send cookies with the right path - I'd be *most useful* to have a another subscriber option which indicated that the subscriber wasn't really a person but was, in reality, a sublist. For those subscribers monthly notices (which should also be a per-subscriber thing IMO) and other administrativia would be sent to owner- (or -owner, or -admin). - I'd love to be able to edit messages that get held for approval. So that I can remove HTML from some email, reset the reply-to to somewhere more appropriate or simply trim things down and insert a "modified by whomever" message. - When adding/removing subscribers (or modifying their options) having it stay on the same page who speed things up considerably - having an email way to request a password; it appears that everything can be done except this via email - being able to search for subscribers (via the web) would also be useful. Note I haven't had the time/oppurtunity to check Mailman 2.0 betas so my apologies if some of this has already been covered. Also please note the reply-to setting as I'm not on this list but I would appreciate any comments/responses. Thanks, Anand From brett at iclick.com Wed Aug 30 07:31:25 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail not going to digest and normal users Message-ID: I'm getting more and more complaints that mail isn't getting to people. More and more people stop getting mail on the various lists I run on a box, and they check their status, and MailMan insists they're still subscribed. I read through the archives, and confirmed that I was having some sort of locking problems. I removed all the qrunner locks; then, when that still didn't work, I moved all the stuff in qfiles out to another directory. Mail delivery seems to be working again, but I can't really tell for sure given there are 1,500 people on the list. However, I'm still getting: Aug 30 00:47:04 2000 (20571) -1 (ignore) Aug 30 00:47:04 2000 (20571) -1 (ignore) Aug 30 00:47:04 2000 (20571) -1 (ignore) what's going? The logs/smtp-failure file is ballooning in size rather quickly. Also, logs/posts shows repeated entries: Aug 30 00:58:05 2000 (20755) post to from -request@, size=31801, 176 failures why is the list's request address sending mail to the list? Seems like some kind of internal mail loop or something. I looked over /etc/aliases, it seems set up properly... Brett -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer CFN(formerly iClick, Inc) 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com PGP Fingerprint: 06C2 5D5B D2B4 7626 BB24 2BBC 9E4A C8B3 PGP Key location: http://pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net/pgp/brett.pgp From e.ehlers at nikocity.de Wed Aug 30 09:47:23 2000 From: e.ehlers at nikocity.de (Elwin Ehlers) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:47:23 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] at/@ on the Subscribers site References: Message-ID: <39ACBC0B.50AE4028@nikocity.de> Virginia Beauregard wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Elwin Ehlers wrote: > > > when i open the Subscribers site on /cgi-bin/mailman/roster/thelist > > i see in the mailaddress from the users a at and not a @. > > What is the way to change this. > > In the "Privacy Options" admin page > (/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/thelist/privacy), change the value of the > following question to "NO": > . Show member addrs so they're not directly recognizable as email addrs? OK, but when I change the Options (or other one)I can not save this one. I have create a new list with the same problems. > This corresponds to "obscure_addresses = 0" from a dump of the config > database. This dump I can not locate. What is the name of this file,where I find the detail? Who I exportable? bye Elwin From bug at aphid.net Wed Aug 30 10:09:05 2000 From: bug at aphid.net (Chuck Dale) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:09:05 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 In-Reply-To: <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au>; from wildfire@progsoc.uts.edu.au on Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:04:07PM +1100 References: <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <20000830190905.N5584@aphid.net> Hey Anand, Wrote Anand Kumria on Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:04:07PM +1100: > > I've now been using Mailman (note no studly caps) for a while so, > here are some comments: > > - I've placed my lists at /lists/ instead of /mailman/ > so that required a patch to SecurityManager.py to send > cookies with the right path That's strange. I don't have my lists at /mailman either and it has always seemed to work. Or not, because I have had cookie problems in the past. Either way it's been fixed in 2.0 betas. Chuck [ charles hamilton dale ] From matt at mail.ltlb.com Wed Aug 30 16:55:47 2000 From: matt at mail.ltlb.com (Matt Starnes) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 09:55:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Editing HTML for listinfo Message-ID: <39AD2073.28794117@mail.ltlb.com> How do I edit the html for the main /mailman/listinfo url that shows the lists of lists. I tried editing /mailman/templates/listinfo.html but nothing happened. Thanks, Matt From kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm Wed Aug 30 17:05:45 2000 From: kasopa.w.chisanga at coppernet.zm (Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:05:45 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Configuration References: <39AD2073.28794117@mail.ltlb.com> Message-ID: <003e01c01293$c645f5a0$5f9f82c2@pc125> Hello, Who may help me with the sample file for apache config file and the aliases file, only that part which affects the entries for Mailman. I have installed it alright but I do not know what to specify in the http.config file and the aliases. Thanking you in advance, Wilbroad. From jarrell at vt.edu Wed Aug 30 18:01:30 2000 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:01:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 In-Reply-To: <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000830120026.0341b150@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> At 12:04 PM 8/30/00 +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: >I've now been using Mailman (note no studly caps) for a while so, >here are some comments: > > > - I'd be *most useful* to have a another subscriber option > which indicated that the subscriber wasn't really a person > but was, in reality, a sublist. For those subscribers > monthly notices (which should also be a per-subscriber thing > IMO) and other administrativia would be sent to owner- > (or -owner, or -admin). Umm, that's what the entire "umbrella list" concept is for; it's switches explicitly do that. Or were you wanting to mix people and lists? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000830/44efd5bb/attachment.htm From virginia at texterity.com Wed Aug 30 20:05:26 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] at/@ on the Subscribers site In-Reply-To: <39ACBC0B.50AE4028@nikocity.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Elwin Ehlers wrote: > > following question to "NO": > > . Show member addrs so they're not directly recognizable as email addrs? > > OK, but when I change the Options (or other one)I can not save this one. > I have create a new list with the same problems. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're asking here. > This dump I can not locate. What is the name of this file,where I find > the detail? $ /bin/config_list -o will dump a ASCII version of the data in 's config.db file into . > Who I exportable? Again, I don't understand what you're asking here. -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From virginia at texterity.com Wed Aug 30 20:11:05 2000 From: virginia at texterity.com (Virginia Beauregard) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Configuration In-Reply-To: <003e01c01293$c645f5a0$5f9f82c2@pc125> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > Who may help me with the sample file for apache config file and the > aliases file, only that part which affects the entries for Mailman. I > have installed it alright but I do not know what to specify in the > http.config file and the aliases. Thanking you in advance, This information is in the INSTALL file of the Mailman source tree. -- Virginia J. Beauregard virginia at texterity.com UNIX Systems and Network Administrator Texterity, Inc. From claw at nuron.com Wed Aug 30 20:23:39 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:23:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 In-Reply-To: Message from Anand Kumria of "Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:04:07 +1100." <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> References: <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <27981.967659819@nuron.com> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:04:07 +1100 Anand Kumria wrote: > I've now been using Mailman (note no studly caps) for a while so, > here are some comments: > - I've placed my lists at /lists/ instead of /mailman/ so > that required a patch to SecurityManager.py to send cookies with > the right path I do the same, as you can see here: http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/ This has required no patching to any of the Mailman sources, other than the normal Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py business. (Yes, I know I'm running v1.1, but the same was true when testing out moving to one of the v2 betas (I'm not ready to roll it into production there)) > - I'd be *most useful* to have a another subscriber option > which indicated that the subscriber wasn't really a person but > was, in reality, a sublist. For those subscribers monthly notices > (which should also be a per-subscriber thing IMO) and other > administrativia would be sent to owner- (or > -owner, or -admin). This is what the umbrella options are for. > - I'd love to be able to edit messages that get held for > approval. So that I can remove HTML from some email, reset the > reply-to to somewhere more appropriate or simply trim things down > and insert a "modified by whomever" message. On v2 you can. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From e.ehlers at nikocity.de Wed Aug 30 21:36:40 2000 From: e.ehlers at nikocity.de (Elwin Ehlers) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:36:40 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Configuration References: <39AD2073.28794117@mail.ltlb.com> <003e01c01293$c645f5a0$5f9f82c2@pc125> Message-ID: <39AD6248.7EE23FE0@nikocity.de> Kasopa Wilbroad Chisanga wrote: > Who may help me with the sample file for apache config file and the aliases > file, only that part which affects the entries for Mailman. I have installed > it alright but I do not know what to specify in the http.config file and the > aliases. 1 linuxkontor:~# newlist yourlist Enter the email of the person running the list: ee Initial yourlist password: Entry for aliases file: ## yourlist mailing list ## created: 30-Aug-2000 root 2 ---cut----------copy this in /etc/aliases----------- yourlist: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post yourlist" yourlist-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner yourlist" yourlist-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd yourlist" owner-yourlist: yourlist-admin yourlist-owner: yourlist-admin ---------------------------------------------------- 3 :~# newaliases 4 The specify for cgi can you find in the /etc/apache/access.conf # /usr/lib/cgi-bin should be changed to whatever your ScriptAliased # CGI directory exists, if you have that configured. AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI FollowSymLinks normaly the /usr/lib/cgi-bin bye Elwin http://lug-bremen.de/mail/mail.html From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Wed Aug 30 22:39:12 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 Message-ID: <200008302038.NAA11655@utopia.west.sun.com> > > - I'd be *most useful* to have a another subscriber option > > which indicated that the subscriber wasn't really a person > > but was, in reality, a sublist. For those subscribers > > monthly notices (which should also be a per-subscriber thing > > IMO) and other administrativia would be sent to owner- > > (or -owner, or -admin). > > > Umm, that's what the entire "umbrella list" concept is for; it's switches explicitly > do that. Or were you wanting to mix people and lists? Speaking personally, I've yet to understand what "umbrella list" means, or how it changes Mailman's operation. Anyone who understands this want to take a shot at explaining it? From brett at iclick.com Wed Aug 30 22:44:05 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:44:05 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 Message-ID: Greetings. This is a edited version of a post I sent to the developers this morning. No response, so I can only assume no one cares to respond. I searched through my archives. I couldn't search through the list archives because the search engine on python.org appears to be broken(and yes, I followed the instructions, choosing only SIG archives.) I found a bunch of posts related or similar to my problems, but not much in the way of resolutions or anthing that seemed to help me. The setup we're running is Solaris, python 1.5.2, which I compiled myself. The list was working great, until people started loosing mail delivery. I thought the auto-bounce handler was removing people, but they're still listed as subscribed, and I never received a message from the bounce handler saying they would be removed. Now, what I'm seeing in the logs: in logs/smtp-failure: smtp-failure:Aug 30 11:16:15 2000 (122) -1 (ignore) (many, many times) This user is in fact not getting email from either of the two lists he belongs to. The number in ()'s changes, though not with every entry in the logs. and, in logs/post, I see constant entries about: Aug 30 04:53:08 2000 (23571) post to from -request@, size=28501, 177 failures (always the same number of failures and size; seems to be some sort of unrelated mail loop of some kind.) and there are posts that go through: Aug 30 04:44:42 2000 (23411) post to from , size=528, success Qrunner seems to be working: Aug 30 02:55:04 2000 (22304) qrunner begining Aug 30 02:55:09 2000 (22304) qrunner ended (this is repeated every time qrunner is launched, which is wasteful in terms of space since it runs once a minute; I've got 56k of text for less than 12 hours of running) Now, this mystery "177 failures" message shows up again: Aug 30 06:50:10 2000 (25068) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Aug 30 06:50:10 2000 (25068) smtp for 177 recips, completed in 2.620 seconds In logs/bounce, I'm not sure I understand the meanings: Aug 29 23:13:31 2000 (18077) : - 27 more allowed over 426977 secs then there will be: Aug 29 23:13:33 2000 (18077) : - 0 more allowed over 395006 secs The non-delivery problem affects digest and non-digest users. Archives are working fine. One list is 1,500 people; 500 normal, 1000 digest users; the other is about 100 people, mostly non-digest. We're using sendmail, and I have the threaded delivery turned on due to the large number of slow/bad mail servers(and experience has shown that splitting them up into chunks results in a dramatic improvement in delivery times.) Some mail is getting by, and some users report that after re-subscribing, their problems have gone away, although I made some changes(like clearing out qfiles/ and also removing stale lockfiles) around the same time, so it's hard to tell.) However, several users are still not getting any mail no matter what I do(they do get the list welcome message when I re-subscribe them, however.) Thanks all for any help/tips. I wouldn't mind applying some patches that have been introduced since 2.0b5 that will fix this stuff, if they're available. Brett From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Wed Aug 30 22:48:12 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 Message-ID: <200008302047.NAA11822@utopia.west.sun.com> > This is a edited version of a post I sent to the developers this > morning. No response, so I can only assume no one cares to respond. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm just now reading this message. Don't expect paid-support-level service for a free software product... I'm looking at your problem (as an interested volunteer). From jhanna at cproject.com Wed Aug 30 23:25:36 2000 From: jhanna at cproject.com (John Hanna) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:25:36 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'm oh so close to complete installation -- who can help me! Message-ID: <003101c012c8$d6518600$b101010a@mplex.org> I'm so close to getting mailman working on my freebsd/qmail system, but something's not working yet, and I can't figure how to debug it. I can see that wrapper is being called with either post or request, and it's returning 0 (no error, yes? -- where is wrapper documented btw?) but nothing is being posted or confirmed. There's nothing in logs/errors logs/post -- they're not even touched with today's date. CGI and that side seem to work properly. Is this the mail-gid thing? (I think I've got it configured right -- all mail comes and goes through mailman:mailman [u:g]). Thanks for the help! J From brett at iclick.com Wed Aug 30 23:32:28 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:32:28 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 In-Reply-To: <200008302047.NAA11822@utopia.west.sun.com> References: <200008302047.NAA11822@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: At 1:48 PM -0700 8/30/00, Dan Mick wrote: > > This is a edited version of a post I sent to the developers this >> morning. No response, so I can only assume no one cares to respond. > >I don't know about everyone else, but I'm just now reading this >message. Don't expect paid-support-level service for a free software >product... Sorry Dan(and listers.) Didn't mean to give that impression. I've been under a lot of stress because I've got a lot(several hundred) unhappy campers who are all treating -me- like I'm paid support staff for our list(which is a list run by volunteers for Audi enthusiasts and owners, end shameless plug :-) So, it's hit a little close to home that I accidentally came off the same way. Part of my attitude was that I've emailed the developer list(and this list) before with no response whatsoever, not even a peep, whereas I usually get very quick(and good) responses from this list(actually, Dan, I just realized...you were the fellow who responded back to me within minutes around 4am a week or two back when I was in a similar stressed out situation :-) B -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer CFN(formerly iClick, Inc) 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com PGP Fingerprint: 06C2 5D5B D2B4 7626 BB24 2BBC 9E4A C8B3 PGP Key location: http://pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net/pgp/brett.pgp From claw at nuron.com Thu Aug 31 00:37:00 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:37:00 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 In-Reply-To: Message from Brett Dikeman of "Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:44:05 EDT." References: Message-ID: <32640.967675020@nuron.com> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:44:05 -0400 Brett Dikeman wrote: > Greetings. This is a edited version of a post I sent to the > developers this morning. No response, so I can only assume no one > cares to respond. At least have the good grace to wait a day or two. Not all of us read this list that quickly -- lately for instance I tend to read it only every couple days. I know others are in a similar circumstance and Barry has recently stated that he's buried in the Python 2.0 release and does not have much time to spend on the Mailman lists until that's done. > in logs/smtp-failure: What do your MTA's logs say? -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 31 00:59:11 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 Message-ID: <200008302258.PAA17794@utopia.west.sun.com> > smtp-failure:Aug 30 11:16:15 2000 (122) -1 (ignore) > (many, many times) This means the SMTP agent (sendmail? You don't seem to say anything about which MTA you're using, although I've been shockingly adept as missing such hints lately) refused the delivery for that user; the -1 is the "smtp_code" (or rather the lack of one) from smtplib.py; the 'ignore' is the "smtp_error" (or lack of one) from smtplib.py. See SMTPDirect.py's deliver() method for where those things are set and accumulated in the refused dict. Looks like the transaction was really unsuccessful, as in "couldn't open a socket to the SMTP port at all". > This user is in fact not getting email from either of the two lists > he belongs to. The number in ()'s changes, though not with every > entry in the logs. > > and, in logs/post, I see constant entries about: > Aug 30 04:53:08 2000 (23571) post to from > -request@, size=28501, 177 failures > > (always the same number of failures and size; seems to be some sort > of unrelated mail loop of some kind.) Maybe; could be a digest post, for which 177 are failing. How many digest members are there? (bin/list_members -d | wc -l) > and there are posts that go through: > > Aug 30 04:44:42 2000 (23411) post to from subscriber's email address>, size=528, success > Now, this mystery "177 failures" message shows up again: > Aug 30 06:50:10 2000 (25068) All recipients refused: please run connect() first That definitely means that you couldn't open a connection to the SMTP port, for whatever reason. Is your MTA going up and down? JC's question about "what does your MTA say" is a good one. Also, running qrunner by hand and watching what it does, either by sniffing network traffic on port 25 or system-call-tracing, would be illuminating, I'm sure. > Aug 30 06:50:10 2000 (25068) smtp for 177 recips, completed in 2.620 seconds > > In logs/bounce, I'm not sure I understand the meanings: > > Aug 29 23:13:31 2000 (18077) : - 27 more allowed > over 426977 secs > > then there will be: > > Aug 29 23:13:33 2000 (18077) : - 0 more > allowed over 395006 secs They both mean the same thing: that many more bounces will be allowed over that time period before the user is considered for bounce removal action (which might be "disable", or "notify", or "remove". Mostly normal; there are always lots of bounces. > The non-delivery problem affects digest and non-digest users. > Archives are working fine. One list is 1,500 people; 500 normal, > 1000 digest users; the other is about 100 people, mostly non-digest. > We're using sendmail, and I have the threaded delivery turned on This means you have a Python that supports threads, correct? I have no experience with such a setup. I split them into chunks with a patch to SMTPDirect.py which I hope to get Barry to look at soon, authored by someone on one of these lists whose name I have lost...SMTP_CHUNKIFY is a good unique string to look for it. > Thanks all for any help/tips. I wouldn't mind applying some patches > that have been introduced since 2.0b5 that will fix this stuff, if > they're available. This all sounds a lot more like MTA issues than Mailman; I'd focus debug efforts there. From jarrell at vt.edu Thu Aug 31 01:26:31 2000 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:26:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000830192546.033d72d0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> At 04:44 PM 8/30/00 -0400, Brett Dikeman wrote: >Greetings. > >This is a edited version of a post I sent to the developers this morning. No response, so I can only assume no one cares to respond. Having seen your message three times now, I can safely say that it's not that we don't care to respond, it's more like no one has an immediate clue as to what your problem is, and is hoping someone else who does will respond. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000830/901b59ff/attachment.html From jarrell at vt.edu Thu Aug 31 01:25:17 2000 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:25:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 In-Reply-To: <200008302038.NAA11655@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000830192347.0318a980@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> At 01:39 PM 8/30/00 -0700, Dan Mick wrote: >> > - I'd be *most useful* to have a another subscriber option >> > which indicated that the subscriber wasn't really a person >> > but was, in reality, a sublist. For those subscribers >> > monthly notices (which should also be a per-subscriber thing >> > IMO) and other administrativia would be sent to owner- >> > (or -owner, or -admin). >> >> >> Umm, that's what the entire "umbrella list" concept is for; it's switches >explicitly >> do that. Or were you wanting to mix people and lists? > >Speaking personally, I've yet to understand what "umbrella list" >means, or how it changes Mailman's operation. Anyone who understands >this want to take a shot at explaining it? It's a list that consists of just other lists. I use it locally to consolidate some lists that have similar types of users; like two clubs that often co-sponsor events, with overlapping memberships. There's a combined list that gets both. If mailman knows it's an umbrella list, it won't do silly things like send the password reminders to the member lists, because it knows they're not people. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000830/986096fb/attachment.htm From wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au Thu Aug 31 01:57:17 2000 From: wildfire at progsoc.uts.edu.au (Anand Kumria) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:57:17 +1100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 In-Reply-To: <27981.967659819@nuron.com>; from claw@nuron.com on Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:23:39AM -0700 References: <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <27981.967659819@nuron.com> Message-ID: <20000831105717.L26079@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:23:39AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:04:07 +1100 > Anand Kumria wrote: > > > I've now been using Mailman (note no studly caps) for a while so, > > here are some comments: > > > - I've placed my lists at /lists/ instead of /mailman/ so > > that required a patch to SecurityManager.py to send cookies with > > the right path > > I do the same, as you can see here: > > http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/ http://slug.org.au/lists/ > This has required no patching to any of the Mailman sources, other > than the normal Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py business. > > (Yes, I know I'm running v1.1, but the same was true when testing > out moving to one of the v2 betas (I'm not ready to roll it into > production there)) Strange, I'm using 1.1 as well and in SecurityManager.py, I traced my administration authentication problem down to: --- /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py-dist Mon Jun 19 02:15:40 2000+++ /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py Mon Jun 19 02:18:14 2000 @@ -94,7 +94,8 @@ c = Cookie.Cookie() c[key] = [client_ip, issued, expires, mac] # place in oven, - path = urlparse(self.web_page_url)[2] # '/mailman' + #path = urlparse(self.web_page_url)[2] # '/mailman' + path = '/lists' c[key]['path'] = path # and bake until golden brown c[key]['expires'] = mm_cfg.ADMIN_COOKIE_LIFE Otherwise things were working correctly. >From the corresponding mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'slug.org.au' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://slug.org.au/lists/' [snip] > > - I'd be *most useful* to have a another subscriber option > > which indicated that the subscriber wasn't really a person but > > was, in reality, a sublist. For those subscribers monthly notices > > (which should also be a per-subscriber thing IMO) and other > > administrativia would be sent to owner- (or > > -owner, or -admin). > > This is what the umbrella options are for. Yes but it is currently an all or nothing affair (afaict). Either all your list members are people or they are all sublists and never the two shall mix. I've unfortunately inhereted a list with mixed subscribers. But even if I hadn't I can see great uses with having `sublist' be a per subscriber option - for large lists you could have domain based feeders, etc. > > - I'd love to be able to edit messages that get held for > > approval. So that I can remove HTML from some email, reset the > > reply-to to somewhere more appropriate or simply trim things down > > and insert a "modified by whomever" message. > > On v2 you can. Great, I'll probably check it out shortly. Thanks, Anand From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Aug 31 02:00:32 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:00:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000830192546.033d72d0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000830192546.033d72d0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: At 7:26 PM -0400 8/30/00, Ron Jarrell wrote: >I can safely say that it's not that we don't care to >respond, it's more like no one has an immediate clue as to what your >problem is Yah. it wasn't something I'd ever seen, and I've been in the middle of a project trying to beat 8.5 years of accumulated mail list archives (31,000 files of email, about half a gig of data) into usable shape. god, we've been running lists for over 8 years: the first list was simply an alias file exploder to 30 people -- and now, Mailman is the third MLM (listproc 6.0c, majordomo, mailman) the oldest lists have been on, and we're now on our, um, fifth or possibly 6th CPU. It really didn't lend itself to me dropping stuff to snoop... And, to be honest, the message came across as a bit too much "I'm telling you to do this", which doesn't sit well with me when I'm helping out as a volunteer (although it's not nearly as bad as the words "I'm not on this list, so...." -- whenever I see that, I simply blow off the message, even if I KNOW the answer, because that person is treating us as hired help, and isn't even pretending that they're willing to pay-forward back to the list for the help they're asking for... communities are built of people who give as well as take, and I gave up on the vampires years ago... But I digress...). but now that it's been cleared up, and that Wad O' Archives is under control, I'll see if I can sniff something... But everyone has to remember we're ALL here to help each other -- but we all ahve lives, jobs, and deadlines, too. And nobody HAS to do anything for anyone here. So it really, really helps if you ask nicely, and be patient -- and I realize that it's not fun to have a live, job, deadline, unhappy users and broken software to boot, but it doesn't help to honk off the folks you're asking help from, does it? (grin) Now, I know I have the original email around here somewhere. I think.... -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From claw at nuron.com Thu Aug 31 02:22:11 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:22:11 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] some suggestions for mailman 2 In-Reply-To: Message from Anand Kumria of "Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:57:17 +1100." <20000831105717.L26079@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> References: <20000830120407.V24773@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> <27981.967659819@nuron.com> <20000831105717.L26079@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: <1435.967681331@nuron.com> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:57:17 +1100 Anand Kumria wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:23:39AM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: >> http://www.kanga.nu/lists/listinfo/ > http://slug.org.au/lists/ Good show. >> This has required no patching to any of the Mailman sources, >> other than the normal Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py business. >> >> (Yes, I know I'm running v1.1, but the same was true when testing >> out moving to one of the v2 betas (I'm not ready to roll it into >> production there)) > Strange, I'm using 1.1 as well and in SecurityManager.py, I traced > my administration authentication problem down to: ...patch deletia... > Otherwise things were working correctly. All I can say is that I don't have a matching edit to my file and it works perfectly (I'm a little tight for time to fully research it). FWIW I'm using the Debian slink package on a woody system (not ready to upgrade to the woody v2 mailman yet). It is also possible that this is due to the fact that I only moderate under Mozilla. I haven't used other browsers. >> This is what the umbrella options are for. > Yes but it is currently an all or nothing affair (afaict). Either > all your list members are people or they are all sublists and > never the two shall mix. I've unfortunately inhereted a list with mixed subscribers. But > even if I hadn't I can see great uses with having `sublist' be a > per subscriber option - for large lists you could have domain > based feeders, etc. BTW: You might want to take a look at my archiving setup for your lists. See: http://www.kanga.nu/archives/ with the (currently undocumented and slightly out of date) sources available under: ftp://ftp.kanga.nu/pub/Kanga.Nu/WebArchives/ Its a combo of MHonArc to do the actual archiving, some bash scripts to handle the directory business, and then various PHP and PHPLib-based bits to support the final rendering of the pages to the user/browser. The main thing it adds is format and look'n'feel control, and MIME support to the archives (all compliments of MHonArc), the ability to reply to archived messages right from the web (compliments PHP), and the ability to entirely redefine the presentation/look'n'feel of the archives without having to regen them (compliments of PHPLib's templating supports). -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From lists at gogglebox.com Thu Aug 31 04:23:51 2000 From: lists at gogglebox.com (cee) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:23:51 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] create new list problem In-Reply-To: <1435.967681331@nuron.com> Message-ID: I know nothing about python so if anyone can help explain to me what this means I would be grateful! I create a new list with the list name, the admin address and password [root at www bin]# ./newlist myList admin at mysite.com password Traceback (innermost last): File "./newlist", line 39, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 39, in ? from Mailman.ListAdmin import ListAdmin File "/home/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 33, in ? from Mailman import Message File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 30, in ? import sha ImportError: No module named sha Cheers, Cary. From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 31 04:28:25 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] create new list problem Message-ID: <200008310227.TAA27566@utopia.west.sun.com> sha is supposed to be a python builtin; your Python must have problems. Try getting a better one. > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Message.py", line 30, in ? > import sha > ImportError: No module named sha From philo at sophia.colorado.edu Wed Aug 30 23:59:22 2000 From: philo at sophia.colorado.edu (Wes Morriston) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:59:22 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages Message-ID: <39AD83BA.774DE83C@sophia.colorado.edu> I'm trying to get mailman installed under stampede 0.90. (It worked fine under 0.89.) Everything works fine until I try to send a message to the list. Nothing happens. Nothing in the log files. Nothing. Can someone help me debug this? I have put a link to /home/mailman/mail/wrapper in /usr/libexec (which seems to be the directory where stampede keeps smrsh). Is there anything else I need to do? I believe that the ownerships and permissions in /home/mailman are exactly as indicated in the installation instructions. I have used --with-mail-gid=daemon, and I have put an explicit line into sendmail.cf O DefaultUser=daemon and restarted sendmail. But it's no used. Thanks for any help you can give me. Wes From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 31 06:14:50 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages Message-ID: <200008310413.VAA29960@utopia.west.sun.com> > Nothing happens. Nothing in the log files. Nothing. Can > someone help me debug this? I've no idea what "stampede" is, but you don't say "and I put the cron entries in", so did you? (and when asking a question like this that has the same answer over and over and over again, would it be too much to ask to hear "I've tried standard answer #29 and it didn't help"?) From philo at sophia.colorado.edu Thu Aug 31 00:22:49 2000 From: philo at sophia.colorado.edu (Wes Morriston) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:22:49 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disappearing messages References: <200008310413.VAA29960@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <39AD8939.7C5DAE7E@sophia.colorado.edu> Yes, I did put in the cron entries. Had to do a chmod +s on crontab to get it to work, though. Otherwise, I got this error: seteuid: Operation not permitted Does that give you a clue? Wes Dan Mick wrote: > > > Nothing happens. Nothing in the log files. Nothing. Can > > someone help me debug this? > > I've no idea what "stampede" is, but you don't say "and I put the > cron entries in", so did you? > > (and when asking a question like this that has the same answer > over and over and over again, would it be too much to ask to > hear "I've tried standard answer #29 and it didn't help"?) From gmourani at openna.com Thu Aug 31 09:29:59 2000 From: gmourani at openna.com (Gerhard Mourani) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:29:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error during admin auth Message-ID: <39AE0977.482A9643@openna.com> Hi, I'm trying to configure my mailling list through the administrative authentication web page and receive the following error: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main main() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main mlist.Save() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save self.__save(dict) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save os.link(fname, fname_last) OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted The problem is "Operation not permitted" why?? The directory under where mailman is installed is as follow: drwxrwsr-x 16 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 . drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 Aug 30 17:53 .. drwxrwsr-x 8 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:55 Mailman drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 archives drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 cgi-bin drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:54 cron drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:54 data drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 filters drwxrwsr-x 3 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:57 lists drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 31 00:38 locks drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:58 logs drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 mail drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 16:48 qfiles drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 18:00 scripts drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 templates Thanks, / / Gerhard Mourani From dgc at uchicago.edu Thu Aug 31 06:37:11 2000 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archival failure (HyperArch?) Message-ID: <20000830233711.C8285@smack.uchicago.edu> I've just set up a 2.0b5 server. I have all the list functionality working right, as far as I know, but there are no HTML archives. The mbox file is being updated -- I can see the messages in there -- but it's not being converted to HTML. "arch" is being run, though. When I run it manually, I get: Pickling archive state into /var/mailman/archives/private/list/pipermail.pck And the web stuff says (no matter whether I run arch directly, or let Mailman do it): Currently, there are no archives. I know I have a weird installation, but I don't know where to begin debugging this -- not enough sense of HyperArch and pipermail's guts. Any pointers? -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 31 06:45:37 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] error during admin auth Message-ID: <200008310444.VAA00999@utopia.west.sun.com> Does someone who knows the story about Mandrake and restricted hardlinks want to stand up and explain it? I spent an hour searching the web yesterday and came up empty. (I don't run Mandrake but I'd like to understand what the issue is.) > Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:29:59 -0700 > From: Gerhard Mourani > X-Accept-Language: en > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] error during admin auth > X-Beenthere: mailman-users at python.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5 > List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users > > Hi, > > I'm trying to configure my mailling list through the administrative > authentication web page and receive the following error: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save > self.__save(dict) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save > os.link(fname, fname_last) > OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted > > The problem is "Operation not permitted" why?? > > The directory under where mailman is installed is as follow: > > drwxrwsr-x 16 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 . > drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 Aug 30 17:53 .. > drwxrwsr-x 8 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:55 Mailman > drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 archives > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 bin > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 cgi-bin > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:54 cron > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:54 data > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 filters > drwxrwsr-x 3 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:57 lists > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 31 00:38 locks > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:58 logs > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 mail > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 16:48 qfiles > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 18:00 scripts > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 templates > > Thanks, > > / / Gerhard Mourani > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 31 06:57:14 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archival failure (HyperArch?) Message-ID: <200008310456.VAA01628@utopia.west.sun.com> > I've just set up a 2.0b5 server. I have all the list functionality > working right, as far as I know, but there are no HTML archives. The > mbox file is being updated -- I can see the messages in there -- but > it's not being converted to HTML. > > "arch" is being run, though. When I run it manually, I get: > Pickling archive state into /var/mailman/archives/private/list/pipermail.pck > > And the web stuff says (no matter whether I run arch directly, or let > Mailman do it): > Currently, there are no archives. 'arch' is not normally run to archive mail; it's merely a "rebuild" convenience command. Mails are normally archived internally by invoking methods in Archiver.py, specifically (usually) ArchiveMail(). However, diagnosing 'arch' would be a good thing to do. > I know I have a weird installation, but I don't know where to begin > debugging this -- not enough sense of HyperArch and pipermail's guts. > Any pointers? My standard recommendation: can you run arch under some sort of system-call-trace utility, and watch what files it opens (or tries) and what it tries to write? Solaris: truss Linux: strace From dgc at uchicago.edu Thu Aug 31 07:20:20 2000 From: dgc at uchicago.edu (David Champion) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 00:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Archival failure (HyperArch?) In-Reply-To: <200008310456.VAA01628@utopia.west.sun.com>; from Dan.Mick@West.Sun.COM on Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 09:57:14PM -0700 References: <200008310456.VAA01628@utopia.west.sun.com> Message-ID: <20000831002020.D8285@smack.uchicago.edu> On 2000.08.30, in <200008310456.VAA01628 at utopia.west.sun.com>, "Dan Mick" wrote: > > 'arch' is not normally run to archive mail; it's merely a "rebuild" > convenience command. Mails are normally archived internally by > invoking methods in Archiver.py, specifically (usually) ArchiveMail(). > > However, diagnosing 'arch' would be a good thing to do. OK, that's expected now that I think of it. Still, reword it a little, and the problem's the same. > > I know I have a weird installation, but I don't know where to begin > > debugging this -- not enough sense of HyperArch and pipermail's guts. > > Any pointers? > > My standard recommendation: can you run arch under some sort of > system-call-trace utility, and watch what files it opens (or tries) > and what it tries to write? Solaris: truss Linux: strace I could, but as it turns out, that probably won't help. I missed this while looking at the files directly, but following the python line by line suggested that they're not valid mboxes -- and indeed, they were missing the From_. Actually, that's probably because I'm not using a real local delivery mailer. Unexpected, but understandable. -- -D. dgc at uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago From Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM Thu Aug 31 07:42:06 2000 From: Dan.Mick at West.Sun.COM (Dan Mick) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 22:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] hard links Message-ID: <200008310541.WAA03117@utopia.west.sun.com> Gerhard points out that the issue in question may be the "Openwall kernel patches", which are documented at http://www.openwall.com/linux/README If this is the root of "some Linuxes have problems with hardlinks", then according to that, it's because the patch prevents users from making hardlinks to files they don't own. If that's so, then the solution would be "make mailman own all the files in ~mailman", which seems to me to be a better solution in general anyway; given that chown takes a "recursive" parameter, it's easy. Anyone having mysterious permission problems with links should probably try this, after verifying that bin/check_perms doesn't report problems. From lacayo at exlibris-usa.com Thu Aug 31 10:53:18 2000 From: lacayo at exlibris-usa.com (Luis F. Lacayo) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:53:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments In-Reply-To: <39AD6248.7EE23FE0@nikocity.de> Message-ID: Hello everyone. I was wondering if someone would be able to help me with a slight problem I am having with Mailman. Our users are in the habit of putting attachments to messages that they send to the list. This causes a problem because, the attachment displays at the bottom of the message. Is there a way to omit attachments from displaying on the web? As always, your advice is very much appreciated. Luis From brett at iclick.com Thu Aug 31 09:32:18 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 03:32:18 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] listmembers being "(ignored)", lockfile problems, 2.0b5 In-Reply-To: <32640.967675020@nuron.com> References: <32640.967675020@nuron.com> Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied. The problem was in fact the SMTP agent. We have, on this particular host, a "messy" mail server setup; actual inbound SMTP is handled by something called Trend Interscan(which actually works really well, shameless plug for them*.) Trend then does Some Magic(mainly, decompresses/decodes any attachments, checks for viruses, that sort of thing) and hands off messages to sendmail(or, say, postfix; you can set the command Trend uses, or give it a hostname/port, etc.) Trend apparently got very upset when I removed some older definitions files(or I accidentally deleted something else it needed) and was doing strange things, like opening the connection but not responding, or closing it immediately, etc. I mucked around with it unsuccessfully for a few hours, gave up, and just fired up plain old sendmail into daemon mode and left trend off. Worked great; we're not protected against a virus getting sent to the list at the moment, but at least things will work until I straighten out the mess with Trend support in the morning.) qrunner did its job and shortly thereafter I received email from a bunch of users saying they now had a digest in their mailbox. Still not sure that everyone is working yet; have to check up with those who reported problems and see if they're 'alive' again. No more strange log entries, except for some business about quattro-admin sending mail to the list, and a lot of messages to 1 recipient, which seemed like mailman zapping bounce messages to me, and naturally reporting it in the SMTP logs. If problems crop up, you know I'll be back :-) Brett *this thing saved our butts at work so many times it isn't funny. I strongly recommend antivirus solutions for lists and companies. Where I work, it's a literal challenge to find a floppy since they're practically never used, which means most infections come in over email. On our list, it's caught at least 20 viruses in a few months. -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer CFN(formerly iClick, Inc) 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com PGP Fingerprint: 06C2 5D5B D2B4 7626 BB24 2BBC 9E4A C8B3 PGP Key location: http://pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net/pgp/brett.pgp From csmedley at ntlworld.com Thu Aug 31 19:49:13 2000 From: csmedley at ntlworld.com (.Chris Smedley) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:49:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing Message-ID: <00fe01c01373$c6e2e820$dc08fc3e@csmedley> Can someone please tell me if it is possible to bounce messages which contain certain keywords? I recently switched from Majordomo to Mailman and cannot see how this is done. Chris Smedley. From alan at batie.org Thu Aug 31 18:45:04 2000 From: alan at batie.org (Alan Batie) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 09:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] news gateway errors Message-ID: <20000831094503.B26790@agora.rdrop.com> Every now and then, gate_news errors: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mailman at pico.passedge.com (Cron Daemon) To: mailman at pico.passedge.com Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ? main() File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 101, in main lock.unlock() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 263, in unlock raise NotLockedError Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError This *looks* like perhaps the previous gate_news hadn't finished and the locking mechanism isn't working right, but I'm only gating about a dozen very low volume internal newsgroups. I find it hard to believe that it takes five minutes to process that... -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan at batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu Thu Aug 31 19:22:47 2000 From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:22:47 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] reply to subscription confirmation problem Message-ID: <025836EFF856D411A6660090272811E61D0694@EMAIL> I've noticed that lately replying to subscription confirmations doesn't work. I know that it worked just fine using mailman 1.1, and I'm sure that it's broken in 2.0 beta 5. I don't have any of the earlier betas still running, so I can't test those. Has this code changed significantly since 1.1? Can we get it working again? The client that I've been having problems with is Outlook 2000 (yeah, I know). Thanks, Greg From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Aug 31 21:08:41 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:08:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing References: <00fe01c01373$c6e2e820$dc08fc3e@csmedley> Message-ID: <39AEAD39.D998F051@west.sun.com> ".Chris Smedley" wrote: > > Can someone please tell me if it is possible to bounce messages which > contain certain keywords? > > I recently switched from Majordomo to Mailman > and cannot see how this is done. Two methods, one trivially easy to find that you should have found already, and one hidden: Since you didn't mention the Spam-specific posting filters section of Privacy Options, I can only assume you haven't wandered through the pages of admin options yet. Go do that now, and look for one whose explanatory text starts with "Hold posts with header value", as it's clearly exactly what you need, and you could have found it on your own. I catch virtually all attachments this way, by adding Content-type:.*multipart/.* :.*text/html.* :.*text/enriched.* :.*text/x-vcard.* Content-Disposition:.*attachment The other is to add items to Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py. Here's my diff to exclude posts from a certain user (and log them; you can only change KNOWN_SPAMMERS if you don't want a log): Index: SpamDetect.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/SpamDetect.py,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -r1.4 SpamDetect.py 28a29 > from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog 40c41 < KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [] --- > KNOWN_SPAMMERS = [('from', 'danyb at earthlink.net')] 57a59 > syslog("bounce", "message discarded: %s: %s" % (header, regex)) From Dan.Mick at west.sun.com Thu Aug 31 21:09:31 2000 From: Dan.Mick at west.sun.com (Dan Mick) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:09:31 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] error during admin auth References: <39AE0977.482A9643@openna.com> Message-ID: <39AEAD6B.AD4C01D7@west.sun.com> Gerhard reports it was the Openwall security patches at fault, although apparently not the hard-link patch (?) (I'm hoping this was a mistake). Gerhard Mourani wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm trying to configure my mailling list through the administrative > authentication web page and receive the following error: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 96, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 136, in main > mlist.Save() > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 847, in Save > self.__save(dict) > File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 822, in __save > os.link(fname, fname_last) > OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted > > The problem is "Operation not permitted" why?? > > The directory under where mailman is installed is as follow: > > drwxrwsr-x 16 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 . > drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 Aug 30 17:53 .. > drwxrwsr-x 8 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:55 Mailman > drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 archives > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 bin > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 cgi-bin > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:54 cron > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:54 data > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 filters > drwxrwsr-x 3 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:57 lists > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 31 00:38 locks > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:58 logs > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 mail > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 16:48 qfiles > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 18:00 scripts > drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Aug 30 17:53 templates > > Thanks, > > / / Gerhard Mourani > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From brett at iclick.com Thu Aug 31 21:31:54 2000 From: brett at iclick.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] trimming extra headers; footer info in digests Message-ID: So, after our switch off majordomo, I've received feedback from users. First, digest users complained that a lot of extra headers were making it tough to see the separation between messages. I also personally noticed that a -lot- of bandwidth is wasted by not stripping the footer of each message from the digest version(so the digest ends up with 20+ copies of the list's footer, with the list name and all.) Our list ballooned in bandwidth requirements when we went to mailman, and we're limited to an ISDN line. Alternatives like handing mail off to another server for expansion+delivery are not options at the moment; neither is a faster line(DSL is not available yet in the area where the server is.) I'd also like to know if there is a way to strip a lot of unnecessary headers, to save bandwidth and to make posts easier to read. Mainly, I don't see why we need listers(and especially digest users) to get much more than from, subject, to/cc, date, and reply-to if it's defined by the sender. Now, granted, there are strange setups, and it probably isn't compliant with some RFC thus-and-such to just hose headers, so it could be a non-default feature. However, I think that stripping each message of the mailman-addred footer -before- it is put in the digest would be great(just as how this is done with Pipermail archiving.) I would settle for this alone... Make sense? I've considered some kind of pre-processor program/script that takes a message and does stuff like: -remove unneeded headers -remove MIME/attachments -remove HMTL I'd guess that it's probably been done before, but a quick(and I do mean quick) search did not find anything. Brett PS:I should mention that people commented to me that they like the options/preferences, the archives, and -- ---- Brett Dikeman Systems Engineer CFN(formerly iClick, Inc) 914-872-8043 120 Bloomingdale Rd. 914-872-8100(fax) White Plains, NY 10605 http://www.iclick.com PGP Fingerprint: 06C2 5D5B D2B4 7626 BB24 2BBC 9E4A C8B3 PGP Key location: http://pdikeman.ne.mediaone.net/pgp/brett.pgp From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Aug 31 21:42:24 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] trimming extra headers; footer info in digests In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 3:31 PM -0400 8/31/00, Brett Dikeman wrote: >-remove MIME/attachments >-remove HMTL http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html is what I use. -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From claw at nuron.com Thu Aug 31 21:56:33 2000 From: claw at nuron.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:56:33 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing In-Reply-To: Message from ".Chris Smedley" of "Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:49:13 PDT." <00fe01c01373$c6e2e820$dc08fc3e@csmedley> References: <00fe01c01373$c6e2e820$dc08fc3e@csmedley> Message-ID: <14205.967751793@nuron.com> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:49:13 -0700 Chris Smedley wrote: > Can someone please tell me if it is possible to bounce messages > which contain certain keywords? There's no facility to auto-bounce, but you can have posts matching certain header fields held for moderation (see Privacy options in your list config) and of course you can insert a grep/formail recipe in front of the list to detect verboten words and insert a header to make the Privacy options catch the post. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work: claw at nuron.com http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Keys etc: finger claw at kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=-- From curtin at ptc.com Thu Aug 31 22:37:02 2000 From: curtin at ptc.com (Michael Curtin) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:37:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug in version 1 Message-ID: <39AEC1EE.E4DCD802@ptc.com> I has anyone seen this error message before? I try to connect to the URL admin to change some configs but this keeps coming up. I've tried restarting the server but nothing. Is there anything I can do other than upgrade at this point? Thanks Bug in Mailman version 1.0 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/export/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 40, in main FormatListinfoOverview() File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/listinfo.py", line 88, in FormatListinfoOverview l = MailList.MailList(n, lock = 0) File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__ self.Load() File "/export/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 806, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, \ MMBadListError: Unmarshaled config info is not a dictionary -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: curtin.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 196 bytes Desc: Card for Michael Curtin Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/20000831/bd68afef/attachment.vcf From chuqui at plaidworks.com Thu Aug 31 23:01:13 2000 From: chuqui at plaidworks.com (Chuq Von Rospach) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:01:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bouncing In-Reply-To: <14205.967751793@nuron.com> References: <00fe01c01373$c6e2e820$dc08fc3e@csmedley> <14205.967751793@nuron.com> Message-ID: At 12:56 PM -0700 8/31/00, J C Lawrence wrote: >There's no facility to auto-bounce, but you can have posts matching >certain header fields held for moderation adding an auto-bounce setup that ties regex's to return mail with a defined message is something I want to add at some point.... -- Chuq Von Rospach - Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:chuqui at plaidworks.com) Apple Mail List Gnome (mailto:chuq at apple.com) And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar and say 'Man, what are you doing here?'" From dennis at StartSpot.com Thu Aug 31 22:32:52 2000 From: dennis at StartSpot.com (Dennis Director) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:32:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe without a password Message-ID: Is there any way to make it easier for members to unsubscribe. In particular, is there a way to turn off requiring a password to unsubscribe ?? Thanks.