From fc at actech.com.br  Wed Sep  1 00:21:12 1999
From: fc at actech.com.br (Fabricio Chalub)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:21:12 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine
Message-ID: <37CC5558.3D85D332@actech.com.br>

Hello,

I send a e-mail a while ago saying mailman was causing a huge load on my
server.  That's not correct.  I found out that it was a problem in the
2.2.11 version of the linux kernel.  I'm with 2.2.12 now and its ok.

Sorry for the mess.

	fc



From chalub at actech.com.br  Wed Sep  1 00:22:07 1999
From: chalub at actech.com.br (Fabricio Chalub)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:22:07 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine
Message-ID: <001301bef3ff$43016ed0$c74bffc8@actech.com.br>

Hello,

I send a e-mail a while ago saying mailman was causing a huge load on my
server.  That's not correct.  I found out that it was a problem in the
2.2.11 version of the linux kernel.  I'm with 2.2.12 now and its ok.

Sorry for the mess.

 fc

--
riverrun.com.br / actech.com.br




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Sep  1 00:37:58 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:37:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine
References: <001301bef3ff$43016ed0$c74bffc8@actech.com.br>
Message-ID: <14284.22854.152122.293144@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "FC" == Fabricio Chalub <chalub at actech.com.br> writes:

    FC> I send a e-mail a while ago saying mailman was causing a huge
    FC> load on my server.  That's not correct.  I found out that it
    FC> was a problem in the 2.2.11 version of the linux kernel.  I'm
    FC> with 2.2.12 now and its ok.

Can you provide any more information?  Do you know what specifically
about the 2.2.11 kernel was causing the problem?

I've been closely monitoring python.org after installing Jeremy
Hylton's pipermail performance improvements and I've been extremely
happy.  Python.org can now easily keep up with the traffic.  Not to
say there aren't more improvements possible, but the 80/20 rule
definitely comes into play.  The changes may be good enough to warrant
a 1.1 release even before the I18N stuff gets merged in.

-Barry



From chalub at actech.com.br  Wed Sep  1 00:44:26 1999
From: chalub at actech.com.br (Fabricio Chalub)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:44:26 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine
References: <001301bef3ff$43016ed0$c74bffc8@actech.com.br> <14284.22854.152122.293144@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <003201bef402$60c66800$c74bffc8@actech.com.br>

> >>>>> "FC" == Fabricio Chalub <chalub at actech.com.br> writes:
>
>     FC> I send a e-mail a while ago saying mailman was causing a huge
>     FC> load on my server.  That's not correct.  I found out that it
>     FC> was a problem in the 2.2.11 version of the linux kernel.  I'm
>     FC> with 2.2.12 now and its ok.
>
> Can you provide any more information?  Do you know what specifically
> about the 2.2.11 kernel was causing the problem?

Actually no. :(  What happened was that the machine would die out of memory.
Later I saw on Alan Cox's site that kernel 2.2.12 was out and it fixed a TCP
memory leak.  I upgraded and that was it. ;)

The problem was not even closely related to mailman. It *thought* it was
because I had just installed mailman on that week. :)

Cheers,

    fc





From chalub at actech.com.br  Wed Sep  1 00:46:41 1999
From: chalub at actech.com.br (Fabricio Chalub)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:46:41 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine
References: <001301bef3ff$43016ed0$c74bffc8@actech.com.br> <14284.22854.152122.293144@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <003601bef402$b14da400$c74bffc8@actech.com.br>

Oh, I'm sorry, it wasnt a TCP memory leak.  It was just a memory leak :))

On:

http://www.linux.org.uk/VERSION/relnotes.2212.html

"Linux 2.2.12 is the latest update to the Linux kernel tree. It fixes the
memory leak bug in the 2.2.11 kernel. In addition it updates various drivers
and the platform specific support. The out of the box tree supports the
Alpha, PPC, Sparc and X86 platforms. MIPS is mostly merged but you should
obtain the platform specific tree. It is hoped MIPS and PowerPC will soon be
fully merged. ARM and M680x0 users should get their platform specific tree."

    fc






From fmartini at caddev.com  Wed Sep  1 00:51:48 1999
From: fmartini at caddev.com (Frank Martini)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:51:48 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine
Message-ID: <1276000583-313888343@caddev.com>

i've got a stupid question.. how can I tell which version of the kernal 
I'm running....

Frank


>Hello,
>
>I send a e-mail a while ago saying mailman was causing a huge load on my
>server.  That's not correct.  I found out that it was a problem in the
>2.2.11 version of the linux kernel.  I'm with 2.2.12 now and its ok.
>
>Sorry for the mess.
>
> fc
>
>--
>riverrun.com.br / actech.com.br
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users


Frank Martini                                 Voice: 713/621-1917
Cadence Development                             FAX: 713/621-1960
5075 Westheimer, Ste. 1266             eMail: fmartini at caddev.com
Houston, Texas 77056                  WWW: http://www.caddev.com/


    Macintosh & Windows Client/Server Database Development




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Sep  1 00:52:51 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:52:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine
References: <001301bef3ff$43016ed0$c74bffc8@actech.com.br>
	<14284.22854.152122.293144@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
	<003201bef402$60c66800$c74bffc8@actech.com.br>
Message-ID: <14284.23747.71359.576216@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "FC" == Fabricio Chalub <chalub at actech.com.br> writes:

    FC> Actually no. :( What happened was that the machine would die
    FC> out of memory.  Later I saw on Alan Cox's site that kernel
    FC> 2.2.12 was out and it fixed a TCP memory leak.  I upgraded and
    FC> that was it. ;)

    FC> The problem was not even closely related to mailman. It
    FC> *thought* it was because I had just installed mailman on that
    FC> week. :)

Okay, thanks.
-Barry



From claw at varesearch.com  Wed Sep  1 01:08:46 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:08:46 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not generate a high load on my machine 
In-Reply-To: Message from Frank Martini <fmartini@caddev.com> 
   of "Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:51:48 CDT." <1276000583-313888343@caddev.com> 
Message-ID: <E11Lx1C-0004uy-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:51:48 -0500 
Frank Martini <fmartini at caddev.com> wrote:

> i've got a stupid question.. how can I tell which version of the
> kernal I'm running....

$ uname -a

-- 
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---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Wed Sep  1 03:01:36 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:01:36 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password reminders
In-Reply-To: <19990901103621.F23612@mincom.com>; from Phil Homewood on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:36:21AM +1000
References: <199908312057.GAA15803@hiro.netizen.com.au> <19990901103621.F23612@mincom.com>
Message-ID: <19990901110136.I20392@tertius.net.au>

Got this back from one of my list users.  It seems like it could
do with attention:

Phil Homewood wrote:
> Uh...
> 
> mailman-owner at netizen.com.au wrote:
> > This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your netizen.com.au
> > mailing list memberships.  It includes your subscription info and how
> > to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list.
> 
> Excellent... but...
> 
> : List-Id: Melbourne contingent of alt.fan.pratchett <afpmel.netizen.com.au>
> 
> Um...
> 
> > List                                     Password // URL
> > ----                                     --------  
> > politics at netizen.com.au                  Dh[l      
> > http://www.netizen.com.au/mailman/options/politics/philh at mincom.com
> 
> Your mailman seems a tad confused. :-) (The summary is right, the
> List-Id is bogus.)

bekj

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: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the
: mirror that reflects it.  -- Edith Wharton



From chedong at ihw.com.cn  Wed Sep  1 11:11:07 1999
From: chedong at ihw.com.cn (Che Dong)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:11:07 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] does it support remote admin?
Message-ID: <001e01bef45a$0b7c92e0$2600000a@ihw.com.cn>

che at OFFICE
chedong at ihw.com.cn
http://www.ihw.com.cn
ICQ UIN: 31928674



From ken at kyler.com  Wed Sep  1 11:54:23 1999
From: ken at kyler.com (Ken Kyler)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 05:54:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] SPAM and moderated lists
Message-ID: <000901bef45f$f86e4800$4d0fc897@kylernet>

We have several moderated lists.  Subscription is set to "confirm".  How do
I cause non-subscribers to be rejected instead of going to the "pending
administrative requests" queue?

Ken Kyler





From kitterma at acns.fsu.edu  Wed Sep  1 15:08:59 1999
From: kitterma at acns.fsu.edu (Tom Kitterman)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:08:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] resetting list owner's admin password
Message-ID: <199909011308.JAA21795@groucho.acns.fsu.edu>

Sorry if this question has been asked before, but I'm trying to leave
early for Labor Day and don't have time to sift through the
archives.  I hope someone can answer it.

I'm running Mailman v 1.0 and python v 1.5.2
One of my list owners has forgotten his admin password.  I've
tried resetting it by logging in with the site password but
it didn't seem to take.  Is there a way to reset an owner
password or to get mailman to mail it to the owner?







From david at bengtsson.net  Wed Sep  1 16:06:04 1999
From: david at bengtsson.net (David)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:06:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] newbie: Mailman sends a digest over and over again...
Message-ID: <000f01bef483$214a6790$131412ac@framfab.se>

Dear gurus,

I'm running Mailman 1.0rc3 on a RedHat 5.2 box. I have a problem... 

A couple of days ago I started up a new list. For some strange reason one of my digest subscribers keeps getting digest #1 over and over again once every hour. I have tried to unsub him, but the mail keeps going out. The logfiles for Mailman looks just fine. Everything else works perfect, but how do I stop this mail from going out??

I'm not a unix guru, so please give some advice here...I did delete the digest in /var/spool/mqueue/, restarted sendmail, cron etc...I also did a complete reboot.

 TIA,

 /David

This is an output from the maillog:

Sep 1 12:27:37 www sendmail[589]: TAA12159: to=<andersson at erbe-med.de>, delay=4+17:27:35, xdelay=00:00:37, mailer=esmtp, relay=hq.seicom.net. [194.97.200.30], stat=Sent (LAA59502 Message accepted for delivery)

Sep 1 13:27:34 www sendmail[671]: TAA12159: to=<andersson at erbe-med.de>, delay=4+18:27:32, xdelay=00:00:34, mailer=esmtp, relay=hq.seicom.net. [194.97.200.30], stat=Sent (MAA65482 Message accepted for delivery)





From mcook at unidial.com  Wed Sep  1 18:02:33 1999
From: mcook at unidial.com (Merrill Cook)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:02:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug report
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.990901120124.18386B-100000@mail.unidial.com>

I keep getting this bug report when I try to administer a list. The OS is
Unixware 7.1  Is this a problem with the install or underlying OS? Or is
something else going on?

Bug in Mailman version 1.0

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 173, in main
    lst.Unlock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1383, in Unlock
    self._lock_file.lock('u')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 192, in lock
    flock = fcntl.fcntl(self._file_.fileno(), cmd, flock)
IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument






From listwrangler at iximd.com  Wed Sep  1 19:39:22 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:39:22 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Introduction
Message-ID: <l03110705b3f30fe2398b@[151.196.99.94]>

Hi, I just joined the Mailman-user email list so I thought I'd drop a line
and introduce myself. I'm Gary Bowen, aka Listwrangler, and I'm a volunteer
with a small non-profit organization that delivers a lot of information and
support via web pages and email lists. Our old ISP was in the process of
porting us from Majordomo 1.9.3 to Mailman 1.0 when they sold their assets
to a new ISP, who has implemented the lists. But, there are bugs...

We're having problems with subscribes and unsubscribes, specifically,
users' passwords don't work when they try to unsubscribe via the web
interface. And when users do get acknowledgements saying the succesfully
unsubscribed, they aren't. Also, the email interface doesn't work so that
when they try to email in their /unsubscription that doesn't work either.

I'd like to work on the web interface problems first. When I go to the info
page, enter their address, enter the admin password, and it says, "You have
been unsubscribed." But the user still gets email. I then went into the
'View Subscriber List' and found the unsubscribed email address on the
subscriber list, and deleted it from there, and got a "You have been
unsubscribed" message. I hope they really are unsubscribed.

My ISP has informed me that they've done all they intend to do, and that
it's now up to me to do the maintenance on the list. Personally, I wonder
how I'm supposed to do that when I don't have access to the machine running
the list... but that's a separate issue.

Anyhow, I'm digging into the archives, but I'd greatly appreciate it if
folks could point me to reference books or URLS regarding Mailman. Since
the switch is recent, I haven't bought any books and am wondering which
ones are good.

Gary Bowen


Listwrangler
listwrangler at iximd.com

********************
For help with subscribe/unsubscribe, troubleshooting, or more info about
The American Boyz email lists, please visit: ________ (new web page being
developed, please stand by), or request a copy of the Amboyz Elist Help
File to be emailed to you.

The following lists are implemented with Mailman and use standard Mailman
features: Amboyz-Main, Amboyz-Announce, TrueSpirit, and ElderTG





From listwrangler at iximd.com  Wed Sep  1 20:35:36 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:35:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Do I Volunteer for a To Do list item?
Message-ID: <l03110708b3f320761e7a@[151.196.99.94]>

I've been prowling around the site and couldn't help notice that one of my
pet peeves is on the to-do list -- documentation! I'm a former professional
author and editor who's currently in the process of switching careers to
become an information technology specialist, so I'd be interested in
helping to write the user, list owner, and site owner files.

Whom should I contact in order to find out the status of these files?

One suggestion, Mailman should develop a set of moderator features (with
documentation), so that routine list services can be handed off to their
moderators, who have a moderator password that lets them do certain things
but not others. This would enable the list administrator to NOT receive
those pesky un/subscribe and other routine notices that the moderator
handles.

I've had ten years experience as a member of email lists, and have spent
about five years administering Majordomo lists, and have recently been
moved over to Mailman. I've come around to where I slightly prefer Mailman
over Majordomo, but there are some Majordomo features that I miss. And
lately, with all the broken Mailman software, my affection for Mailman is
somewhat strained. Through all of this I've been wishing for a help file.
So, on the principle that if you want something done, you have to do it
yourself, I'm volunteering.

Let me know if I can be of service.

Thanks

Gary Bowen


Listwrangler
listwrangler at iximd.com

********************
For help with subscribe/unsubscribe, troubleshooting, or more info about
The American Boyz email lists, please visit: ________ (new web page being
developed, please stand by), or request a copy of the Amboyz Elist Help
File to be emailed to you.

The following lists are implemented with Mailman and use standard Mailman
features: Amboyz-Main, Amboyz-Announce, TrueSpirit, and ElderTG





From cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org  Thu Sep  2 01:04:03 1999
From: cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org (Christian Dysthe)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:04:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with held messages
Message-ID: <E11MJQB-0000RJ-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>

Hi,

my lists have been running fine for a while, but now I have a problem.
I can not get rid of held messages. When I try I get this traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
    HandleRequests(doc)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests
    list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
    self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in HandlePostRequest
    self.LogMsg("vette", note)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 796, in LogMsg
    logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

Is there a way to get rid of the held messages and hope the list will
work normally, or what else can I do?

TIA

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From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Thu Sep  2 02:55:31 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ex-subscribers receiving password reminders!
Message-ID: <199909020056.UAA01773@mail.scansoft.com>

It's the beginning of the month.  Password reminders have gone out.  Twice
today I received messages from irate customers who say they unsubscribed
from the list within the last 4 weeks and still received password reminder
messages...

I'm trying to determine whether there is some wierd aliasing at work (on
their ends) but, assuming there is not, what might account for this.

I checked and neither of these people are subscribed to any of our lists.

cheers,

J.



From tgrace at thestar.ca  Thu Sep  2 03:31:43 1999
From: tgrace at thestar.ca (Grace, Terry)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:31:43 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird 1.0 Problem
Message-ID: <B582FE6508F7D111B75D00A0C9B3F84D01595CD9@MAIL1>

Every month when the list reminders go out I receive 3-4 bounces back with
User Unknown but the user shown is not on any of my lists.

Any know what's worng or a fix?



From cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org  Thu Sep  2 04:17:16 1999
From: cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org (Christian Dysthe)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:17:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with held messages
In-Reply-To: <E11MJQB-0000RJ-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <E11MMRA-00013U-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>

On  1 Sep, To: Mailman-Users wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> my lists have been running fine for a while, but now I have a problem.
> I can not get rid of held messages. When I try I get this traceback:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
>     main()
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
>     HandleRequests(doc)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests
>     list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
>     self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 167, in HandlePostRequest
>     self.LogMsg("vette", note)
>   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 796, in LogMsg
>     logf.write(msg % args + '\n')
> TypeError: not enough arguments for format string
> 
> Is there a way to get rid of the held messages and hope the list will
> work normally, or what else can I do?
> 
> TIA
> 
I read some archives and found out there is a bug causing mail with %'s
in the subject to upset Mailman. 

In this case the % was in the From field though. I just replaced it
with a letter, and was able to discard the held posting. Removing the %
upset Mailman also, I had to replace it.






From listwrangler at iximd.com  Thu Sep  2 05:58:15 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several problems, including Membership Management page
Message-ID: <l03110700b3f395e38398@[151.196.99.199]>

Hello again.

To refresh your memory, I am a volunteer with a non-profit organization who
serves as their IT expert. (Please don't laugh. I truly am the most
technoliterate person they have!) I administer several Mailman lists on
behalf of the organization. I am not a programmer and I have no access to
the machine running Mailman. The current installation is Mailman 1.0. I
have no idea what it's running on because it belongs to the ISP.

I was set to receive digested mail, but it's been hours and nothing has
come through, so I've switched to regular mode. So, if anybody has posted
to the list in response to my previous postings, I haven't seen it yet, not
having gotten a digest yet. Hopefully things will speed up now that I've
opted for regular mail.

Problem #1, which I posted earlier: Some user passwords are not working.

I spelunked the archives and found out that apparently the reason why some
of my users' passwords are failing is because they mix up and lower case
letters. According to the post I found in the archives the fix is to
upgrade to the latest version of Mailman. I  sent this information to my
ISP. The director of operations has informed me, "I am running the latest
version."

Can anybody tell me what the latest version of Mailman is? They are running
1.0, as far as I can tell.

As I said, I don't know anything about their Mailman installation. All I
got was a tersely worded 'Your new mailing list' message. This message
doesn't even tell me what kind of software it is or what version. It
doesn't identify who made the software, or how to reach them. It doesn't
say where to go for help learning more about the software. If it's supposed
to generate some sort of help file, or send me and URL to find online help,
it didn't. Bug or feature?


Problem #2, The Membership Management console crashes my computer.

Whenever I go to the Membership Management console in the admin web pages,
it loads, then freezes. Nothing works. Total screen freeze. I have to turn
off the machine and reboot. I've done this several times this evening and
I'm getting a little testy.

I don't have this problem with any of the other admin or info pages.
Needlesstosay, I don't have this problem when viewing non-Mailman web
pages. I have graphics turned off. (And I'm not turning them on;  99.9% of
graphics are content-free and just eat up bandwidth.) I have cookies set to
accept cookies that are sent back to self. Java is turned on. My browser is
Netscape 4.0 on a PowerMac 6100 running MacOs 7.5.3.

Side note to #2. It would be useful if there was a 'delete' button in the
management console so that I could unsubscribe half a dozen people just by
checking them off, then hitting submit. It is a royal pain in my
....neck.... to have to manually unsubscribe fifteen or twenty people one
by one via the web interface.

Strongly recommended side note to #2. It would be better still if there was
a place where I could dump a whole batch of subscribe/unsubscribe requests
and do them all at once, instead of having to cherry pick through the
thirty odd screens of my 1000+ user list. The thing I really REALLY like
about Majordomo is that I could simply email a slew of
subscribe/unsubscribes in one message and have done with it. No web
interface needed.

Soapbox time: It seems strange to me that Administrators are deprived of a
really efficient and effective way to administer email lists. It's just so
much faster to pop off an email than to wade through a web site to perform
administrivia like un/subs. Yes, when I don't know what a command does or
the syntax, then the web site is a great fall back that coaches me through
it. I found most (but not all) of the help files associated with the web
pages helpful. But now that I know, I just wanna do it, not read about it.
End soapbox.

I have some other questions and queries, but that seems like enough for one
email. As always, I'd appreciate pointers to sources of more information
where I can get help learning how to use and troubleshoot Mailman. (Right
now I'm feeling rather nostalgic for Majordomo.)

Thanks in advance for any help.

Listwrangler






Listwrangler
listwrangler at iximd.com

********************
For help with subscribe/unsubscribe, troubleshooting, or more info about
The American Boyz email lists, please visit: ________ (new web page being
developed, please stand by), or request a copy of the Amboyz Elist Help
File to be emailed to you.

If you are familiar with Mailman, the following lists are implemented with
Mailman and use standard Mailman features: Amboyz-Main, Amboyz-Announce,
TrueSpirit, and ElderTG





From blum at mezon.net  Thu Sep  2 08:49:28 1999
From: blum at mezon.net (Peter Blum)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:49:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with customisation
Message-ID: <000801bef50f$4d874da0$32eb8fc2@bobek.mezon.net>

Hi!

I use mailman on FreeBSD 3.0 and I have a problem. I want to set up a
mailing list for our customers and I want to customise all of the messages
that the server send to the users (welcome, subscription confirm etc.). I
found the templates on the server but when I changed them (ex. verify.txt)
they couldn't subscribe to the list.

If anyone could customise the messages please help me, what do I have to do.

Thanks,

Peter

Blum Peter
Mezon.Net Kft.
H-1023, Budapest R?mer Fl?ris u. 51/a.
Tel: 345-0320, Fax: 214-1535
blum at mezon.net




From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Thu Sep  2 09:20:10 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:20:10 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with customisation
In-Reply-To: <000801bef50f$4d874da0$32eb8fc2@bobek.mezon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9909020916100.17548-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Peter Blum wrote:

> found the templates on the server but when I changed them (ex. verify.txt)
> they couldn't subscribe to the list.
> 
> If anyone could customise the messages please help me, what do I have to do.
When we first installed Mailman at our University we translated the
templates and had no problems. Have you checked the permisions on the
customised files?

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From thomasg at ifi.uio.no  Thu Sep  2 15:54:30 1999
From: thomasg at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:54:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ex-subscribers receiving password reminders!
In-Reply-To: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman@scansoft.com>'s message of Wed, 01
        Sep 1999 20:55:31 -0400
References: <199909020056.UAA01773@mail.scansoft.com>
Message-ID: <MM.936280470.20780.solva@ifi.uio.no>

> It's the beginning of the month.  Password reminders have gone
> out.  Twice today I received messages from irate customers who
> say they unsubscribed from the list within the last 4 weeks and
> still received password reminder messages...

How do I turn off password reminders to myself?  I don't really
need password reminders for my own lists...

Thomas Gramstad
thomasg at ifi.uio.no



From cdh at CompleteIS.com  Thu Sep  2 16:24:28 1999
From: cdh at CompleteIS.com (Chris Halverson)
Date: 02 Sep 1999 09:24:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several problems, including Membership Management page
References: <l03110700b3f395e38398@[151.196.99.199]>
Message-ID: <wpiu5t9ysj.fsf@CompleteIS.com>

Listwrangler <listwrangler at iximd.com> writes:

> Can anybody tell me what the latest version of Mailman is? They are running
> 1.0, as far as I can tell.

The current released version is 1.0. Go to:

http://www.list.org/

There should be a link at the bottom of your admin pages linking
there.


> Problem #2, The Membership Management console crashes my computer.
> 
> Whenever I go to the Membership Management console in the admin web pages,
> it loads, then freezes. Nothing works. Total screen freeze. I have to turn
> off the machine and reboot. I've done this several times this evening and
> I'm getting a little testy.

Never seen this. Runs fine on NS 4.61 on Solaris and Windows.

> Side note to #2. It would be useful if there was a 'delete' button in the
> management console so that I could unsubscribe half a dozen people just by
> checking them off, then hitting submit. It is a royal pain in my
> ....neck.... to have to manually unsubscribe fifteen or twenty people one
> by one via the web interface.

You can go to the Members Mangement area and uncheck the "Subscr"
box. That will unsubscribe them via a checkbox, just like you asked.

> Strongly recommended side note to #2. It would be better still if there was
> a place where I could dump a whole batch of subscribe/unsubscribe requests
> and do them all at once, instead of having to cherry pick through the

There is a command line utility that will do this. Your ISP should be
able to add them (see add_members) for you. There is also a box on the 
Members Management page that allows you to enter in a list of people.

While I agree that an email interface would be nice, I have to admit
that the amount of time that I spend administering lists is very
small. If the software works (which Mailman does), then I don't need
to spend much time administering it. That's a plus in my book. 

Not sure why the Membership pages freeze up on you but that appears to 
be the crux of your problems. Most of what you are looking for are on
those pages. I'd say it's a browser problem though as it works for me
(and presumably most other people) with various browsers (although it
looks funky in Lynx due to it's table handling :)

Chris

-- 
Chris D. Halverson                         Complete Internet Solutions
PGP mail accepted, finger for public key   http://www.CompleteIS.com/~cdh/



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 17:26:20 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several problems, including Membership Management page
References: <l03110700b3f395e38398@[151.196.99.199]>
Message-ID: <14286.38684.956032.677384@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "L" == Listwrangler  <listwrangler at iximd.com> writes:

    L> Problem #1, which I posted earlier: Some user passwords are not
    L> working.

    L> I spelunked the archives and found out that apparently the
    L> reason why some of my users' passwords are failing is because
    L> they mix up and lower case letters. According to the post I
    L> found in the archives the fix is to upgrade to the latest
    L> version of Mailman. I sent this information to my ISP. The
    L> director of operations has informed me, "I am running the
    L> latest version."

    L> Can anybody tell me what the latest version of Mailman is? They
    L> are running 1.0, as far as I can tell.

1.0 is definitely the latest official release, but be sure they aren't
running one of the 1.0 betas.  All the known bugs in mixed case
address handling should have been fixed in 1.0b11 and existing
databases should have been taken care of automatically.

    L> As I said, I don't know anything about their Mailman
    L> installation. All I got was a tersely worded 'Your new mailing
    L> list' message. This message doesn't even tell me what kind of
    L> software it is or what version. It doesn't identify who made
    L> the software, or how to reach them. It doesn't say where to go
    L> for help learning more about the software. If it's supposed to
    L> generate some sort of help file, or send me and URL to find
    L> online help, it didn't. Bug or feature?

Current Mailman documentation is pretty poor.  There are a number of
volunteers who are trying to correct this.

    L> Problem #2, The Membership Management console crashes my
    L> computer.

    L> Whenever I go to the Membership Management console in the admin
    L> web pages, it loads, then freezes. Nothing works. Total screen
    L> freeze. I have to turn off the machine and reboot. I've done
    L> this several times this evening and I'm getting a little testy.

This looks to me like a browser bug that's tickling an OS bug.
Mailman's web pages don't do anything that funky really: simple tables
and cookies is as complicated as it gets -- no frames, no Java or
JavaScript, and the only graphic used is the (optional) Mailman logo
at the bottom of the page.  My only suggestion is to upgrade your
browser, although if you feel adventurous, it would be interesting to
know exactly what in the Mailman page is crashing your system (maybe
it's easy to work around?).  That's a long debug-edit-test-reboot
cycle that I can't help you with.

    L> Side note to #2. It would be useful if there was a 'delete'
    L> button in the management console so that I could unsubscribe
    L> half a dozen people just by checking them off, then hitting
    L> submit. It is a royal pain in my ....neck.... to have to
    L> manually unsubscribe fifteen or twenty people one by one via
    L> the web interface.

You can do this, although admittedly the chunking interface that
Membership Management uses can be inconvenient for this.  Just check
off the "subscr" field for all the addresses you want to delete, then
submit the form.  We need to find a better way to present the
membership lists though.

    L> Strongly recommended side note to #2. It would be better still
    L> if there was a place where I could dump a whole batch of
    L> subscribe/unsubscribe requests and do them all at once, instead
    L> of having to cherry pick through the thirty odd screens of my
    L> 1000+ user list. The thing I really REALLY like about Majordomo
    L> is that I could simply email a slew of subscribe/unsubscribes
    L> in one message and have done with it. No web interface needed.

Surprise!  You can do this in Mailman too.  Since Mailman supports an
email command interface very similar to Majordomo, you can just craft
a message to yourlist-request with lines such as:

    unsubscribe password addr_one
    unsubscribe password addr_two
    unsubscribe password addr_three
    ...

The trick here is that `password' is usually the member's password,
but it can also be the list admin password or the site password.  Just 
use your list admin password (which you presumably know), and you can
easily delete a ton of addresses in one fell swoop.

    L> Soapbox time: It seems strange to me that Administrators are
    L> deprived of a really efficient and effective way to administer
    L> email lists. It's just so much faster to pop off an email than
    L> to wade through a web site to perform administrivia like
    L> un/subs. Yes, when I don't know what a command does or the
    L> syntax, then the web site is a great fall back that coaches me
    L> through it. I found most (but not all) of the help files
    L> associated with the web pages helpful. But now that I know, I
    L> just wanna do it, not read about it.  End soapbox.

I suspect the lack of documentation is the biggest problem, since most 
of what you ask for above is already available.  I'd still like to
improve the email command interface for certain admin tasks
(approving, rejecting, discarding held messages, sub/unsub requests,
etc.)

    L> I have some other questions and queries, but that seems like
    L> enough for one email. As always, I'd appreciate pointers to
    L> sources of more information where I can get help learning how
    L> to use and troubleshoot Mailman. (Right now I'm feeling rather
    L> nostalgic for Majordomo.)

Don't worry, that feeling will subside.  :)

Hope that helps,
-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 17:35:50 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:35:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trouble with held messages
References: <E11MJQB-0000RJ-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>
	<E11MMRA-00013U-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <14286.39254.68049.754928@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "CD" == Christian Dysthe <cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org> writes:

    CD> I read some archives and found out there is a bug causing mail
    CD> with %'s in the subject to upset Mailman.

    CD> In this case the % was in the From field though. I just
    CD> replaced it with a letter, and was able to discard the held
    CD> posting. Removing the % upset Mailman also, I had to replace
    CD> it.

You must be using an older version of Mailman.  This should be fixed
in 1.0 final.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 17:40:04 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Weird 1.0 Problem
References: <B582FE6508F7D111B75D00A0C9B3F84D01595CD9@MAIL1>
Message-ID: <14286.39508.286371.648634@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "TG" == Terry Grace <tgrace at thestar.ca> writes:

    TG> Every month when the list reminders go out I receive 3-4
    TG> bounces back with User Unknown but the user shown is not on
    TG> any of my lists.

It can get tricky to actually track down the subscribed address that
the bounce is associated with.  This can be due to poor bounce
messages, .forwards, and a host of other factors.  I wrote
bin/find_member to help with this because often there will be /some/
identifying information that can be used to craft a regex to search
the list memberships.  Then you basically have to apply a little
wetware processing and send a test message.

It would be nice if this was more automatic.  It's a hard problem
though.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 17:45:38 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ex-subscribers receiving password reminders!
References: <199909020056.UAA01773@mail.scansoft.com>
Message-ID: <14286.39842.482417.687597@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JSF" == Joshua S Freeman <jfreeman at scansoft.com> writes:

    JSF> It's the beginning of the month.  Password reminders have
    JSF> gone out.  Twice today I received messages from irate
    JSF> customers who say they unsubscribed from the list within the
    JSF> last 4 weeks and still received password reminder messages...

    JSF> I'm trying to determine whether there is some wierd aliasing
    JSF> at work (on their ends) but, assuming there is not, what
    JSF> might account for this.

    JSF> I checked and neither of these people are subscribed to any
    JSF> of our lists.

This scenario is possible, although I've not seen it so I don't know
how it happened.  There are a couple of data structures where user
information is kept, and in fact their passwords are kept in a
separate dictionary from their subscribed address (which might be
mixed-case).  It's possible that when they unsub'd their addresses got 
zapped from one dictionary but not the other (i.e. not the one with
their passwords, which is the data structure used to craft the
reminder messages).

I can think of an easy workaround, but it might help if you send me
your config.db file so I can test it.  If you want, email it directly
to me (not to this list).

BTW, you /are/ using Mailman 1.0 final right?

-Barry



From bfriday at LaSierra.edu  Thu Sep  2 18:22:25 1999
From: bfriday at LaSierra.edu (Brian Friday)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:22:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug report Error message!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909020918500.13361-100000@inet.lasierra.edu>

Hello All,

Got the following error when I hit submit to approve a message.

The specs are as follows:

	Solaris 7
	Python 1.5.1
	Mailman 1.0 (final, no rc anything)
	Sendmail 8.9.1
	check_perms reports everything is fine
	Apache 1.3.6

The funny thing about this error is one list is having a problem but
another list that I am running is working perfectly! @_@;

Does anyone have a idea?


--------------------Error Message Follows-------------------


We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what
happened. Thanks! 

Traceback:


Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 112, in main
    HandleRequests(doc)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 200, in HandleRequests
    list.HandleRequest(request, v, form[comment_key].value)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest
    self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 131, in HandlePostRequest
    self.Post(msg, 1)
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1335, in Post
    self.DeliverToList(msg, recipients,
KeyError: cgiext





Environment variables:

 Variable
                            Value
 DOCUMENT_ROOT 
                            /u01/ns-home/webroot 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING 
                            gzip 
 CONTENT_LENGTH 
                            307 
 CONTENT_TYPE 
                            application/x-www-form-urlencoded 
 PATH_TRANSLATED 
                            /u01/ns-home/webroot/sw_ml 
 REMOTE_ADDR 
                            192.156.214.55 
 GATEWAY_INTERFACE 
                            CGI/1.1 
 HTTP_COOKIE 

sw_ml:admin="(lp0\012S'192.156.214.55'\012p1\012aI936052860\012aI936063660\012aI899743593\012a."
 SERVER_PROTOCOL 
                            HTTP/1.0 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE
                            en 
 REMOTE_PORT 
                            1402 
 SERVER_PORT 
                            80 
 TZ 
                            US/Pacific 
 HTTP_USER_AGENT 
                            Mozilla/4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) 
 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET 
                            iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 
 HTTP_ACCEPT 
                            image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg,
image/pjpeg, image/png, */* 
 REQUEST_URI 
                            /mailman/admindb/sw_ml 
 PATH 
                            /usr/sbin:/usr/bin 
 QUERY_STRING 
 SCRIPT_FILENAME 
                            /opt/mailman/cgi-bin/admindb 
 PATH_INFO 
                            /sw_ml 
 HTTP_HOST 
                            www.lasierra.edu 
 REQUEST_METHOD 
                            POST 
 SERVER_SIGNATURE 
                            Apache/1.3.6 Server at www.lasierra.edu Port
80
 SCRIPT_NAME 
                            /mailman/admindb 
 SERVER_ADMIN 
                            webmaster at lasierra.edu 
 SERVER_SOFTWARE 
                            Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) 
 PYTHONPATH 
                            /opt/mailman 
 HTTP_REFERER 
                            http://www.lasierra.edu/mailman/admindb/sw_ml 
 SERVER_NAME 
                            www.lasierra.edu 
 HTTP_CONNECTION 
                            Keep-Alive 

--------

Sincerely,

Brian Friday
Systems Administrator
La Sierra University
(909) 785-2554 x2







From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 21:21:45 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:21:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug report Error message!
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909020918500.13361-100000@inet.lasierra.edu>
Message-ID: <14286.52809.685485.432145@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "BF" == Brian Friday <bfriday at LaSierra.edu> writes:

    BF> Got the following error when I hit submit to approve a
    BF> message.

I have a sneaking suspicion that you might be using the new templates
with an older version of Mailman.  I know you said you're using 1.0
final, but I have a hard time seeing how this error could occur.

Look at line 1335 in MailList.py.  Now look at two lines just before
that.  Do you see:

        d = self.__dict__.copy()
        d['cgiext'] = mm_cfg.CGIEXT

If so, then something very bizarre is going on and we'll have to start 
adding debugging statements.  If you /don't/ see that code, then
you've got a version of MailList.py that predates 1.0 final.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 21:25:20 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:25:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How Do I Volunteer for a To Do list item?
References: <l03110708b3f320761e7a@[151.196.99.94]>
Message-ID: <14286.53024.86218.212341@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "L" == Listwrangler  <listwrangler at iximd.com> writes:

    L> I'm a former professional author and editor who's currently in
    L> the process of switching careers to become an information
    L> technology specialist, so I'd be interested in helping to write
    L> the user, list owner, and site owner files.

    L> Whom should I contact in order to find out the status of these
    L> files?

We'd love it if you'd help out with the documentation (an admitted
weakness).  Currently this effort is being carried out on the
mailman-developers at python.org list.  For now I suggest you check those 
archives and subscribe to that list.

    L> One suggestion, Mailman should develop a set of moderator
    L> features (with documentation), so that routine list services
    L> can be handed off to their moderators, who have a moderator
    L> password that lets them do certain things but not others. This
    L> would enable the list administrator to NOT receive those pesky
    L> un/subscribe and other routine notices that the moderator
    L> handles.

Separating the moderator role from the list admin role is definitely
on our todo list.

    L> I've had ten years experience as a member of email lists, and
    L> have spent about five years administering Majordomo lists, and
    L> have recently been moved over to Mailman. I've come around to
    L> where I slightly prefer Mailman over Majordomo, but there are
    L> some Majordomo features that I miss. And lately, with all the
    L> broken Mailman software, my affection for Mailman is somewhat
    L> strained. Through all of this I've been wishing for a help
    L> file.  So, on the principle that if you want something done,
    L> you have to do it yourself, I'm volunteering.

Great!  We need volunteers to help out.  What MD features are you
particularly missing?  What is broken in MM for you?

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 21:32:43 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:32:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Introduction
References: <l03110705b3f30fe2398b@[151.196.99.94]>
Message-ID: <14286.53467.161252.420402@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

Gary, apologies for working through your messages in reverse order...

>>>>> "L" == Listwrangler  <listwrangler at iximd.com> writes:

    L> We're having problems with subscribes and unsubscribes,
    L> specifically, users' passwords don't work when they try to
    L> unsubscribe via the web interface. And when users do get
    L> acknowledgements saying the succesfully unsubscribed, they
    L> aren't. Also, the email interface doesn't work so that when
    L> they try to email in their /unsubscription that doesn't work
    L> either.

    L> I'd like to work on the web interface problems first. When I go
    L> to the info page, enter their address, enter the admin
    L> password, and it says, "You have been unsubscribed." But the
    L> user still gets email. I then went into the 'View Subscriber
    L> List' and found the unsubscribed email address on the
    L> subscriber list, and deleted it from there, and got a "You have
    L> been unsubscribed" message. I hope they really are
    L> unsubscribed.

This all sounds suspiciously like they aren't running 1.0 final.  Be
sure your ISP didn't half finish the upgrade, or perhaps didn't do an
upgrade properly (maybe they went from a really old version to 1.0
final but didn't run the "make upgrade")?  I haven't seen any of these 
problems with 1.0 final or later.  There were some earlier problems
with mixed-case addresses not getting handled properly everywhere, but 
I'm nearly certain all that's fixed with the latest release.

Look at the bottom of one of the Web pages.  Does it say Mailman 1.0
(with no b-somethings or rc-something)?

    L> My ISP has informed me that they've done all they intend to do,
    L> and that it's now up to me to do the maintenance on the
    L> list. Personally, I wonder how I'm supposed to do that when I
    L> don't have access to the machine running the list... but that's
    L> a separate issue.

Hmm, it's hard to look at the underlying data structures without a
shell account on the machine.

    L> Anyhow, I'm digging into the archives, but I'd greatly
    L> appreciate it if folks could point me to reference books or
    L> URLS regarding Mailman. Since the switch is recent, I haven't
    L> bought any books and am wondering which ones are good.

The best book on Mailman is the one that hasn't been written yet.
Remember Mailman itself is fairly new software, and it's maintenance
is all done by volunteers (with a vested interest -- I run all
python.org lists under Mailman and if something's broken there,
believe me, I hear about it!)

-Barry



From bfriday at LaSierra.edu  Thu Sep  2 21:46:25 1999
From: bfriday at LaSierra.edu (Brian Friday)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:46:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Bug report Error message!
In-Reply-To: <14286.52809.685485.432145@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909021245100.26028-100000@inet.lasierra.edu>

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> Look at line 1335 in MailList.py.  Now look at two lines just before
> that.  Do you see:
> 
>         d = self.__dict__.copy()
>         d['cgiext'] = mm_cfg.CGIEXT
> 
> If so, then something very bizarre is going on and we'll have to start 
> adding debugging statements.  If you /don't/ see that code, then
> you've got a version of MailList.py that predates 1.0 final.


Bizarre indeed... looks like its all working my MailList.py file was dated
july 12 along with other files, while my templates were new...

Thanks for the help...

Sincerely,

Brian Friday
Systems Administrator
La Sierra University
(909) 785-2554 x2




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 22:07:36 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:07:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] bug report
References: <Pine.SGI.3.95.990901120124.18386B-100000@mail.unidial.com>
Message-ID: <14286.55560.788580.431620@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MC" == Merrill Cook <mcook at unidial.com> writes:

    MC> I keep getting this bug report when I try to administer a
    MC> list. The OS is Unixware 7.1 Is this a problem with the
    MC> install or underlying OS? Or is something else going on?

Some OSes seem to have a problem with the fcntl call that Mailman 1.0
uses to do locking.  The current CVS snapshot avoids this problem by
getting rid of the fcntl call and using the LockFile (a.k.a. flock)
class that the rest of Mailman uses for locking.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 22:08:41 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] does it support remote admin?
References: <001e01bef45a$0b7c92e0$2600000a@ihw.com.cn>
Message-ID: <14286.55625.160856.619920@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

Only through the Web, although some administrative commands can be
done through the email interface.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 22:29:17 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:29:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] qmail install docs wrong
References: <Pine.OSF.3.96.990802145535.27435J-100000@admin.aurora.edu>
Message-ID: <14286.56861.950117.408286@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "CK" == Christopher Kolar <ckolar at admin.aurora.edu> writes:

    CK> I just did my first-ever installation of qmail and noticed a
    CK> problem in the mailman docs.  Installing v1.0 the directions
    CK> given in INSTALL.QMAIL for the changes to the inetd.conf and
    CK> hosts.allow are incorrect.  The settings in this file did not
    CK> work, and when I looked in the doc/FAQ in section 5.4 I
    CK> noticed that the instructions are different.  The settings in
    CK> the FAQ did manage to get things working the way that the
    CK> should -- it looks like just a couple of changes in syntax,
    CK> but it would probably be a good idea to change the
    CK> INSTALL.QMAIL doc.

Chris, could you send me a diff against README.QMAIL?  I'd be happy to 
install it.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  2 22:31:14 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:31:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9907292338550.19542-100000@edge>
	<37A6485E.B34E93D9@adobe.com>
Message-ID: <14286.56978.362154.487348@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JS" == Jeff Schneiter <jschneit at Adobe.COM> writes:

    JS> I have not yet gotten for enough to determine whether Mailman
    JS> can read the NIS map aliases. I wasn't worried about it
    JS> because I thought it a normal enough thing, but these latest
    JS> questions about aliases makes me wonder. Is NIS:mail.aliases
    JS> workable?

I think this is outside the scope of Mailman.  You just need to be
sure that the wrapper gets called as a filter program.

-Barry



From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Thu Sep  2 22:52:51 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] add_members leaves zombies around
Message-ID: <E11Mdql-000067-00@rioja.localnet>

I have just been doing a little list rearrangement which involved 
subscribing 500 members to a list using add_members.  Part way through 
I noticed that my system had a huge number of python zombie processes 
around - looks suspiciously as though add_members is forking once per 
new member but nothing is cleaning up afterwards.  This also caused the 
script to bomb out after a couple of hundred.

Mailman version 1.0

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org  Fri Sep  3 05:21:20 1999
From: cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org (Christian Dysthe)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:21:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do members of a private list access archives?
Message-ID: <E11Mjui-0002Dq-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>

Hi,

we run a couple of internal list for the company I work for where we
have set the archives only visible to subscribed users. 

The problem is that I can not figure out how to access the archives
as a subscribed user.

When I click on the archive link I get this:
"The requested URL /mailman/private/mylist/ was not found on this server."
On lists where the archives are public I notice the URLs are different:

http://www.opera.com/pipermail/mylist/

I can see the archives files are present for these lists. I am just not
able to reach them through a web interface.

I know I might be missing something obvious, but I'm still not able to
figure this out. 

We are running Debian (Slink) and Mailman v 1.0rc2 installed from deb's.

TIA!

-- 
----------------------------------------
Regards,
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E-mail: cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org
Web: http://oddbird.dyndns.org/cdysthe/
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From christopher at schulte.org  Fri Sep  3 05:37:39 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:37:39 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do members of a private list access
  archives?
In-Reply-To: <E11Mjui-0002Dq-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990902223435.00b6d950@pop.schulte.org>

Just curious:

Did you take a look at the faq?  It talks about two common problems people 
run into when dealing with archives.

http://www.list.org/faq.html

Take a look there before doing anything else! :-0

At 10:21 PM 9/2/99 -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
 >Hi,
 >
 >we run a couple of internal list for the company I work for where we
 >have set the archives only visible to subscribed users.
 >
 >The problem is that I can not figure out how to access the archives
 >as a subscribed user.
 >
 >When I click on the archive link I get this:
 >"The requested URL /mailman/private/mylist/ was not found on this server."
 >On lists where the archives are public I notice the URLs are different:
 >
 >http://www.opera.com/pipermail/mylist/
 >
 >I can see the archives files are present for these lists. I am just not
 >able to reach them through a web interface.
 >
 >I know I might be missing something obvious, but I'm still not able to
 >figure this out.
 >
 >We are running Debian (Slink) and Mailman v 1.0rc2 installed from deb's.
 >
 >TIA!
 >
 >--
 >----------------------------------------
 >Regards,
 >Christian Dysthe
 >E-mail: cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org
 >Web: http://oddbird.dyndns.org/cdysthe/
 >ICQ 3945810
 >Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
 >----------------------------------------
 >
 >	"Clones are people two"

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From cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org  Fri Sep  3 05:49:53 1999
From: cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org (Christian Dysthe)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:49:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do members of a private list access  archiv
 es?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990902223435.00b6d950@pop.schulte.org>
Message-ID: <E11MkML-0002Jq-00@oddbird.dyndns.org>

On  2 Sep, Christopher Schulte wrote:
> Just curious:
> 
> Did you take a look at the faq?  It talks about two common problems people 
> run into when dealing with archives.
> 
> http://www.list.org/faq.html
> 
> Take a look there before doing anything else! :-0
> 
Yes, I did look at the faq. It does not answer my question though as
far as I can see:

How do subscribed users to a list, and _only_ those, access private
archives?

Remember that I do not get a "not permission" message from the web
server. It says the archives aren't found at the given address. And if
they were found it would mean anyone could actually see them. I do not
understand what "mechanism" keep no-members out of private archives.

-- 
----------------------------------------
Regards,
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E-mail: cdysthe at oddbird.dyndns.org
Web: http://oddbird.dyndns.org/cdysthe/
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Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
----------------------------------------
           
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From einstein at idsmail.com  Fri Sep  3 07:25:09 1999
From: einstein at idsmail.com (Logikbomb)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:25:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown error. please help
Message-ID: <020101bef5cc$b06e3a60$338b88d1@cyclone.logikbomb.net>

After installation everything seems fine until i try to reply to my group to get subscribed..following is a copy of the error.  If anyone can help ..It would be greatly appreciated
Thanks



The original message was received at Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:18:52 -0500 (CDT)
from cyclone.logikbomb.net [209.136.139.51]

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Fri Sep  3 08:37:23 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 02:37:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several problems, including Membership
  Management page
In-Reply-To: <14286.38684.956032.677384@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
References: <l03110700b3f395e38398@[151.196.99.199]>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990903023040.04f99ab0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:26 AM 9/2/99 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> >>>>> "L" == Listwrangler  <listwrangler at iximd.com> writes:
>
>     L> Problem #1, which I posted earlier: Some user passwords are not
>     L> working.
>
>     L> I spelunked the archives and found out that apparently the
>     L> reason why some of my users' passwords are failing is because
>     L> they mix up and lower case letters. According to the post I
>     L> found in the archives the fix is to upgrade to the latest
>     L> version of Mailman. I sent this information to my ISP. The
>     L> director of operations has informed me, "I am running the
>     L> latest version."


>1.0 is definitely the latest official release, but be sure they aren't
>running one of the 1.0 betas.  All the known bugs in mixed case
>address handling should have been fixed in 1.0b11 and existing
>databases should have been taken care of automatically.


Barry, I think this is more of a user bug than a mailman bug; or
perhaps a user interface design problem... Having (thanks to the begining
of the month letter going out) had 4 similar problems from users in the
last 24 hours, I think I can comment on this.  The problem, at least for
me, is the use of O's, L's, and I's in the passwords... In certain fonts
(including, it seems, the one Eudora wants to use by default, Arial,
which a lot of Windows machines use for Lots of things, you can
barely tell capital O and zero 0 apart.  And it's *impossible* to
tell capital I from lowercase L.  In a serif font Il are obviously different;
in Arial they're two sticks...

Perhaps if mailman avoided generating passwords with o's or i's, just
in case?




From keet at riffraff.plig.net  Fri Sep  3 14:29:56 1999
From: keet at riffraff.plig.net (Christiaan Keet)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:29:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Default /mailman/listinfo
Message-ID: <199909031229.NAA84871@riffraff.plig.net>

I notice it isn't possible to change the default text at
.../mailman/listinfo/ and .../mailman/admin/ without without
doing it in the python source.  I presume this is because the
authors want to keep links etc to the mailman pages in there, which
is fair enough.

How about having an option to put your own header and footer to
that page though so that you can at least customise it to fit in
with the look of the rest of the website?

- Christiaan




From lin at cyberstation.fr  Fri Sep  3 04:45:39 1999
From: lin at cyberstation.fr (Patrick 'ZapZap' LIN)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:45:39 +0200 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mass Subscribe Members questions
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909030440210.2849-100000@tom.cyberstation.fr>

hi

i decide change my Mailing List manager to Mailman :))

i setup all and all work fine with some test
i decide to go head with my existant ML.
i take the list of existant suscriber and put it in 
the "Mass Subscribe Members" one address per line.

i have 55 existant suscriber.
everything like good
for verification i see my logs/subscribe and Horror
i just see 10 lines with new !!! like this :
Sep 03 15:59:49 1999  asjr: new toto at toto.net

what's happen?

any help please
thanks




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Sep  3 17:23:26 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:23:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Several problems, including Membership
  Management page
References: <l03110700b3f395e38398@[151.196.99.199]>
	<4.2.0.58.19990903023040.04f99ab0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <14287.59374.966469.183488@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <jarrell at vt.edu> writes:

    RJ> Barry, I think this is more of a user bug than a mailman bug;
    RJ> or perhaps a user interface design problem... Having (thanks
    RJ> to the begining of the month letter going out) had 4 similar
    RJ> problems from users in the last 24 hours, I think I can
    RJ> comment on this.  The problem, at least for me, is the use of
    RJ> O's, L's, and I's in the passwords... In certain fonts
    RJ> (including, it seems, the one Eudora wants to use by default,
    RJ> Arial, which a lot of Windows machines use for Lots of things,
    RJ> you can barely tell capital O and zero 0 apart.  And it's
    RJ> *impossible* to tell capital I from lowercase L.  In a serif
    RJ> font Il are obviously different; in Arial they're two
    RJ> sticks...

    RJ> Perhaps if mailman avoided generating passwords with o's or
    RJ> i's, just in case?

I vaguely remember that someone provided a patch to improve the
automatic selection of passwords, and specifically addressed this
issue.  I'll have to see if I can dig up that patch -- it's probably a 
good idea.

-Barry



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Sat Sep  4 05:36:16 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:36:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with arch converting majordomo archives to mailman
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9908061209140.28388-100000@edge>
	<4.2.0.58.19990809135302.0510ba80@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <14288.37808.469559.369106@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <jarrell at vt.edu> writes:

    RJ> FYI, I ran into the same problem this weekend.. 14M archive
    RJ> with about 9000 messages in it, and it always blows up in the
    RJ> same month; even if I peel out just that month.  Haven't had
    RJ> the energy to search down to which message(s) might be causing
    RJ> it.

Sorry it's taken me so long to follow up to this.  Are you guys still
having problems converting your archives?  Have you tried the latest
CVS snapshot?  If so and you still have problems, we'll have to
arrange for you to upload your raw archive file so I can debug it.

-Barry



From jarrell at vtserf.cc.vt.edu  Sat Sep  4 05:47:04 1999
From: jarrell at vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:47:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with arch converting majordomo archives to mailman
Message-ID: <199909040347.XAA28086@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

>From: "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>>> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <jarrell at vt.edu> writes:

>    RJ> FYI, I ran into the same problem this weekend.. 14M archive
>    RJ> with about 9000 messages in it, and it always blows up in the
>    RJ> same month; even if I peel out just that month.  Haven't had
>    RJ> the energy to search down to which message(s) might be causing
>    RJ> it.

>Sorry it's taken me so long to follow up to this.  Are you guys still
>having problems converting your archives?  Have you tried the latest
>CVS snapshot?  If so and you still have problems, we'll have to
>arrange for you to upload your raw archive file so I can debug it.


Well, I don't think todd and I were having the same problem; I posted
in detail about what I found in investigating my archives, on the 
developers list.  In my case, I could wipe out the pipermail archive,
regenerate it, and have it fail in the same place each time, which
I eventually tracked to it failing to convert the From line timestamp
into a sane time value.  I found two time formats that would
consistently wreck and archive while importing; if I changed those
time stamps and regenerated, all works.  Delete the archive, change
them back, it fails again...

Todd, however, tried my solution and still had problems.  Although
he hadn't deleted the archive before regenerating again.  I'm not
sure if he regenerated after deleting the pipermail debris with, or
without, the edited dates...

In my case I'm suspecting the rfc822 library...




From gietl at gietl.com  Sat Sep  4 12:05:31 1999
From: gietl at gietl.com (Andreas Gietl)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:05:31 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are these variables stored?
Message-ID: <37D0EEEB.3C0D7A30@gietl.com>

Hi everybody,

i'm trying to work around the not-really-existend virtual host support
of mailman.  In this case I need to know where the following variables
for EACH LIST are stored. I don't need to know where to change them
within webinterface. I need an interactive way or the information where
i can change these variables within a configuration file.

These are the variables:

Host name this list prefers.
Base URL for Mailman web interface

thank you for your help

andreas gietl
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Sat Sep  4 22:16:35 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:16:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are these variables stored?
In-Reply-To: <37D0EEEB.3C0D7A30@gietl.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990904155923.00acd540@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:05 PM 9/4/99 +0200, Andreas Gietl wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>i'm trying to work around the not-really-existend virtual host support
>of mailman.  In this case I need to know where the following variables
>for EACH LIST are stored. I don't need to know where to change them
>within webinterface. I need an interactive way or the information where
>i can change these variables within a configuration file.
>
>These are the variables:
>
>Host name this list prefers.
>Base URL for Mailman web interface


I don't think you're going to like the answer, unless you know python.  The
parameters are in the config.db file in that lists file, but they're a python object
that is accessed through the MailList methods...



From tgrace at thestar.ca  Sat Sep  4 23:21:51 1999
From: tgrace at thestar.ca (Grace, Terry)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:21:51 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Searching
Message-ID: <B582FE6508F7D111B75D00A0C9B3F84D01595CF8@MAIL1>

I'm using htDig to index my list archives. Works great for the publicly
accessible archives but since it locates documents via spidering, the only
way to index the private archives is to turn them into public archives.

My thought to get around this is on the private archives is to have htDig
replace /pipermail/ with /mailman/private/ in the url. Easily done but in
order for it to work via a script I need to have a method of turning the
list public while it's indexing and then back to private when it's finished.

Anyone have any ideas?

TIA

Terry



From tgrace at thestar.ca  Sun Sep  5 04:40:29 1999
From: tgrace at thestar.ca (Grace, Terry)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 22:40:29 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] E-mail address in archive document header
Message-ID: <B582FE6508F7D111B75D00A0C9B3F84D01595CFF@MAIL1>

Is there any way to prevent a list members e-mail address from appearing in
the headers of documents that are archived? 

My list members are very spam consious and with the recent addition of a
search engine their addresses are appearing in the some of the search
abstracts.

Along the same lines, I have private archives indexed and searchable (thanks
for the tip Igor) so have a couple of other questions:

How can I put a link to the search page on all the archive pages?

When the users selects a private archive url from the search results they
are presented with the Mailman authentication page. Fine so far, but after
they authenticate they are taken to the main list page, not the article
requested. Any way to take them there directly after they authenticate?



From tomas at euronetics.se  Sun Sep  5 13:38:46 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:38:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Where are these variables stored?
References: <4.2.0.58.19990904155923.00acd540@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <37D25646.68CEB7E2@euronetics.se>

Ron Jarrell wrote:

> At 12:05 PM 9/4/99 +0200, Andreas Gietl wrote:
> >Host name this list prefers.
> >Base URL for Mailman web interface
>
> I don't think you're going to like the answer, unless you know python.  The
> parameters are in the config.db file in that lists file, but they're a python object
> that is accessed through the MailList methods...

Take a look in Mailman/mm_cfg.py. They are both defined there.

<tomas/>





From pwheeler at mbl.edu  Sun Sep  5 03:56:52 1999
From: pwheeler at mbl.edu (Patrick Wheeler)
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 20:56:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Netscape Messenger
Message-ID: <37D1CDE4.52A0A532@mbl.edu>

Has anyone successfully set up mailman on a machine running netscape
messenger? If so, comments on how it was done, particularly the aliases
for program delivery.

Patrick Wheeler



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Sun Sep  5 20:26:57 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:26:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with arch converting majordomo archives
 to mailman
In-Reply-To: <14288.37808.469559.369106@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909051422380.8397-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:

> >>>>> "RJ" == Ron Jarrell <jarrell at vt.edu> writes:
> 
>     RJ> FYI, I ran into the same problem this weekend.. 14M archive
>     RJ> with about 9000 messages in it, and it always blows up in the
>     RJ> same month; even if I peel out just that month.  Haven't had
>     RJ> the energy to search down to which message(s) might be causing
>     RJ> it.
> 
> Sorry it's taken me so long to follow up to this.  Are you guys still
> having problems converting your archives?  Have you tried the latest
> CVS snapshot?  If so and you still have problems, we'll have to
> arrange for you to upload your raw archive file so I can debug it.

I posted a follow-up sometime after my original message regarding this.
What I had done was to wipe out all my existing mailman archives and when
I did the conversion again it worked fine.  Try to find that message in
the archives because I had some thoughts in there about why I may have
been seeing the problem in the first place.  I did notice that arch had a
problem if there were two identical messages in source mbox file.

Anyway, I haven't used arch again since I successfully converted all my
majordomo archives.  Thanks for asking though.

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From tomas at euronetics.se  Mon Sep  6 08:30:16 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 08:30:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exim and mailman - HOWTO
References: <E11JYYV-0000S4-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <37D35F78.EEC54E52@euronetics.se>

Nigel,
your mailman director and transport configuration for exim works well. I
changed to "require_files .../config.db" as Harald suggested. Since I use
mailman in a virtual domain configuration with a separate installation for
each virtual domain, I did a slight modification like this:

           command = "/virtual/${domain}/mailman/mail/wrapper post
${lc:$local_part}"
           current_directory = /virtual/${domain}/mailman
           home_directory = /virtual/${domain}/mailman

and in the director part:

   require_files =
/virtual/${domain}/mailman/lists/${lc:$local_part}/config.db

The more I learn about Exim the more satisfied I get choosing it as my MTA.

<tomas/>





From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Mon Sep  6 12:30:00 1999
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:30:00 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Searching
In-Reply-To: <B582FE6508F7D111B75D00A0C9B3F84D01595CF8@MAIL1>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.990906122906.41284F-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Grace, Terry wrote:

> I'm using htDig to index my list archives. Works great for the publicly
> accessible archives but since it locates documents via spidering, the only
> way to index the private archives is to turn them into public archives.
> 
> My thought to get around this is on the private archives is to have htDig
> replace /pipermail/ with /mailman/private/ in the url. Easily done but in
> order for it to work via a script I need to have a method of turning the
> list public while it's indexing and then back to private when it's finished.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?

use the local_urls: option in your htdig.conf

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From mrbill at frenzy.com  Tue Sep  7 02:19:06 1999
From: mrbill at frenzy.com (Bill Bradford)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:19:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about moving lists from one machine to another
Message-ID: <19990906191905.A24262@frenzy.com>

Anybody know of a quick and easy way to move four or five lists (complete
with archives, subscribe lists, etc) from one machine to another?  I'm
upgrading sunhelp.org to an UltraSPARC box, and would like to compile the
latest/greatest versions of everything instead of just tarballing it up
and moving it over.. however, in this case, the version of mailman isnt
changing.   I just need to move the lists.  Suggestions?

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford * mrbill at sunhelp.org * http://www.sunhelp.org
------------------------------------------------------------
>From a Sun Microsystems bug report (#4102680):
"Workaround: don't pound on the mouse like a wild monkey."



From richard at linsup.com  Tue Sep  7 05:51:41 1999
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:51:41 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Deleting an archive...
Message-ID: <000601bef8e4$4b6b2ea0$0200a8c0@perch>

Hi -

One of my list members posted a message with his computer date in 2000...
This resulted in an archive for that month in 2000.

I have successfully deleted the message and the archive of it. I can edit
the HTML to make the archive index not show the month... but something is
re-creating it.

How can I permanently delete the fact that this message existed???

Thanks,

Richard.

Richard Ames
linsup.com, Sydney, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9144-6131, Fax: +61 2 9144-6138
mailto:richard at linsup.com   http://www.linsup.com




From mrbill at frenzy.com  Tue Sep  7 07:09:04 1999
From: mrbill at frenzy.com (Bill Bradford)
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:09:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about moving lists from one machine to another
Message-ID: <19990907000904.B1787@frenzy.com>

Anybody know of a quick and easy way to move four or five lists (complete
with archives, subscribe lists, etc) from one machine to another?  I'm
upgrading sunhelp.org to an UltraSPARC box, and would like to compile the
latest/greatest versions of everything instead of just tarballing it up
and moving it over.. however, in this case, the version of mailman isnt
changing.   I just need to move the lists.  Suggestions?

Bill

-- 
Bill Bradford * mrbill at sunhelp.org * http://www.sunhelp.org
------------------------------------------------------------
>From a Sun Microsystems bug report (#4102680):
"Workaround: don't pound on the mouse like a wild monkey."



From jarrell at vt.edu  Tue Sep  7 17:18:08 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:18:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about moving lists from one
  machine to another
In-Reply-To: <19990906191905.A24262@frenzy.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990907111742.00b31470@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 07:19 PM 9/6/99 -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
>Anybody know of a quick and easy way to move four or five lists (complete
>with archives, subscribe lists, etc) from one machine to another?  I'm
>upgrading sunhelp.org to an UltraSPARC box, and would like to compile the
>latest/greatest versions of everything instead of just tarballing it up
>and moving it over.. however, in this case, the version of mailman isnt
>changing.   I just need to move the lists.  Suggestions?

I recently had to do this;  just tar up the config and archives dirs, and
untar them at the site, and move the aliases.



From pekko at iki.fi  Wed Sep  8 15:10:31 1999
From: pekko at iki.fi (Pekko Piirola)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:10:31 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, exim and QP encoding
Message-ID: <19990908161031.A6237@pcu.helsinki.fi>

Hi!

I'm trying to use mailman with exim for a finnish speaking mail list.
The problem is that mailman (or is it pipermail?) archives QP encoded
messages without decoding them first.  So the archives are almost
useless because no browser can decode QP.

How could I transform archives I already have to standard ISO-8859-1,
and what steps I need to take to hook some filter to mailman/pipermail
for decoding new mails?

Or does mailman already have some option for Quoted Printable encoded
mail?  (I'm really newbie with mailman, I started to use it on last
monday.)

-- 
Pekko



From Rodolphe.Quiedeville at paris.neurosoft.fr  Wed Sep  8 17:09:14 1999
From: Rodolphe.Quiedeville at paris.neurosoft.fr (Rodolphe.Quiedeville at paris.neurosoft.fr)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:09:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error 554
Message-ID: <C12567E6.005313C1.00@mail.paris.neurosoft.fr>

Hi,

My system : Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27)
Mailman v1.0rc2
Sendmail 8.9.3

Please help me.
When I respond to the confirmation message I have this reply :





Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at banquise.gnulinux-jobs.org> le
08/09/99 15:40:40

Pour :    Rodolphe QUIEDEVILLE/NEUROINFO
cc :
Objet :   Returned mail: Service unavailable




The original message was received at Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:40:39 +0200
from neurosoft-1.clients.easynet.fr [212.180.18.122]

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test
    (expanded from: <test-request at banquise.gnulinux-jobs.org>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
sh: wrapper.mailcmd.test not available for sendmail programs
554 |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test... Service unavailable

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From tomas at euronetics.se  Wed Sep  8 19:09:51 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:09:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, exim and QP encoding
References: <19990908161031.A6237@pcu.helsinki.fi>
Message-ID: <37D6985F.16D8420B@euronetics.se>

Hi Pekka.
I have similar experience with swedish mailing lists. Pipermail don't know
about MIME. Python have class library support for MIME, but someone has to
make it onto the Pipermail code. Half a year ago I thought I could give it
some time but it didn't happen.
Open question: Is there anyone working on this?
You could try to integrate MonArc or Hypermail. They are both MIME aware,
although written in Perl. I don't have pointers in hand, but I could dig
it up for you if you want.

<tomas/>

Pekko Piirola wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm trying to use mailman with exim for a finnish speaking mail list.
> The problem is that mailman (or is it pipermail?) archives QP encoded
> messages without decoding them first.  So the archives are almost
> useless because no browser can decode QP.
>
> How could I transform archives I already have to standard ISO-8859-1,
> and what steps I need to take to hook some filter to mailman/pipermail
> for decoding new mails?
>
> Or does mailman already have some option for Quoted Printable encoded
> mail?  (I'm really newbie with mailman, I started to use it on last
> monday.)
>
> --
> Pekko
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From craft at biostat.wisc.edu  Wed Sep  8 20:38:27 1999
From: craft at biostat.wisc.edu (Michelle Craft)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:38:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] approval of subscription
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.03.9909081330370.5662-100000@shedir.biostat.wisc.edu>

I've just installed Mailman 1.0.  Everything seems to work aside from the
approval of subscription requests.  I was trying to test out the 
'confirm+approval' setting for a list, and it doesn't seem to work.
This is what I did:

1) I try to subscribe from address craft at biostat.wisc.edu (or where else).

2) Mailman emails me asking for confirmation and I reply.

3) My reply is correctly sent to the list master and logged in 
$prefix/logs/subscribe as pending.

4) When the list master (me) tries to go to the 'Tend to pending
administrative requests' area, it says that there are no pending requests.

I found a file, $prefix/data/pending_subscriptions.db, that seems to have
the information it is looking for, but it can't find it.  I've run the
check_perms file, and it can't find anything wrong.

Thank you for any help.


--
Michelle Craft

(I tried to look at the FAQs and archives, but I couldn't find anything
regarding this.)




From bradley at linuxcentral.com  Wed Sep  8 20:28:01 1999
From: bradley at linuxcentral.com (Bradley Glonka)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:28:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read Only list
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909081426070.8237-100000@linuxcentral.com>

What steps are necessary to create a readonly list where only the admin
has posting privelages?  I'd like to create a announcement style list and
do not want users to post to the list.  

Also is there an option to not allow users from seeing who is on the list?


Thanks
Brad




From wendell at sunnet.com.br  Wed Sep  8 21:31:16 1999
From: wendell at sunnet.com.br (Jonh Wendell)
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:31:16 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Y2K Compliance
Message-ID: <37D6B984.448342C4@sunnet.com.br>

Hello all,

Is the MailMan Y2K compliance?

Thanks,
-- 

"Software is like sex.  It's better when it's free."
*****************************
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Desenvolvedor de Sistemas
T?cnico em Inform?tica
____________________________
wendell at sunnet.com.br
jwss at dcc.ufal.br
ICQ : 8493638



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Sep  8 22:15:32 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:15:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Read Only list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909081426070.8237-100000@linuxcentral.com> from "Bradley Glonka" at Sep 8, 99 02:28:01 pm
Message-ID: <199909082015.PAA25087@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Sep  8 23:33:46 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:33:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman, exim and QP encoding
In-Reply-To: <37D6985F.16D8420B@euronetics.se> from "Tomas Fasth" at Sep 8, 99 07:09:51 pm
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From retrev at csh.rit.edu  Thu Sep  9 06:52:55 1999
From: retrev at csh.rit.edu (Trevor Clarke)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:52:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman 1.0 problems
Message-ID: <199909090455.AAA18576@mcp.csh.rit.edu>

I have been running an older beta version of mailman(don't remember the exact
version offhand)on a DECstation running NetBSD. Recently, we upgraded that
machine to an Alpha running Digital UNIX. I grabbed mailman 1.0 and compiled
and installed it. I ran make update and can get to the mailing list options and
archives via the web. If I create a new list I get the Welcome mail(sent to the
admin). However, when I post a message, I get an error. Sendmail says that the
mail was recieved and | /var/mailman/mail/wrapper ... is run. It returns with
"Operating System Error" and stays in the mqueue. I run "wrapper post" manually 
and it returns $status == 2. There are no messages in $prefix/logs/*  Any idea
what might be causing this?
------------------
Trevor R.H. Clarke
Computer Science House
Rochester Institute of Technology      Scientific Programmer for CIS
retrev at csh.rit.edu                     trcpci at cis.rit.edu
http://www.csh.rit.edu/~retrev/        finger retrev at csh.rit.edu for PGP key



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Thu Sep  9 16:15:14 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:15:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the patch Barry sent me...
Message-ID: <199909091411.KAA18907@mail.scansoft.com>

Hi Barry,

A few weeks ago, you sent me, embedded in an email message, a patch for our
b10 version of mailman.

Will running the patch bring us up to 1.0 final?


Thanks,

J.



From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  9 17:12:48 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:12:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] the patch Barry sent me...
References: <199909091411.KAA18907@mail.scansoft.com>
Message-ID: <14295.52848.478229.725458@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JSF" == Joshua S Freeman <jfreeman at scansoft.com> writes:

    JSF> A few weeks ago, you sent me, embedded in an email message, a
    JSF> patch for our b10 version of mailman.

    JSF> Will running the patch bring us up to 1.0 final?

I don't remember what I sent, but probably not.  You should either
grab the entire 1.0 distribution from www.list.org, or check out the
CVS tree.  You could craft a humongous context diff from CVS or, even
better, just check out the source and when I make a new release do a
cvs up -rNew_Mailman_Release.

-Barry




From mymailing at online.fr  Thu Sep  9 17:14:24 1999
From: mymailing at online.fr (mymailing at online.fr)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:14:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and accents
Message-ID: <199909091514.RAA23868@www1.free.fr>

Some of my users receive messages with latin accents (? ?) not correctly 
converted. Anybody knows how to handle this ?

Thanks

Mustapha.



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Thu Sep  9 19:27:44 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:27:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] our sad attempt to upgrade to 1.0 final
Message-ID: <199909091724.NAA29813@mail.scansoft.com>

Unfortunately, we're driving without a sysadmin.

we downloaded and unpacked 1.0 source into the same directory where our
1.0b10 source lives.

we cd'd into the 1.0 directory, ran configure and then ran make update

I have included the results of this command below.

The problem is, upon testing whether or not we were successful, I still see


HTML generated by Mailman v 1.0b10

on our web pages when I run commands using the web interface...

Please help!

TIA


J.




[mailman at search ~/mailman-1.0]$ make update
Updating mailing list:  textbridge-win32
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  textbridge-mac
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  pagis
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  paperport-win32
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  paperport-mac
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  visual-explorer
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  pro-ocr
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  howdoi
- updating old private mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
- updating old public mbox file
    looks like you have a really recent CVS installation...
    you're either one brave soul, or you already ran me
Updating mailing list:  french
- updating old private mbox file
- updating old public mbox file
Updating mailing list:  german
- updating old private mbox file
- updating old public mbox file
Updating mailing list:  spanish
- updating old private mbox file
- updating old public mbox file
Updating mailing list:  tb90international
- updating old private mbox file
- updating old public mbox file

NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE
You will need to manually update your mailing lists.
For each mailing list you need to copy the file templates/options.html
lists/<listname>/options.html.

However, if you have edited this file via the Web interface, you will have
to
merge your changes into this file, otherwise you will lose your changes.


Steve Plante
Database Administrator
(plante at scansoft.com)




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Thu Sep  9 20:50:53 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] our sad attempt to upgrade to 1.0 final
References: <199909091724.NAA29813@mail.scansoft.com>
Message-ID: <14296.397.468089.891230@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JSF" == Joshua S Freeman <jfreeman at scansoft.com> writes:

    JSF> we cd'd into the 1.0 directory, ran configure and then ran
    JSF> make update

Do a make install first, then a make update.

-Barry



From ilkant at icon.fi  Fri Sep 10 00:52:07 1999
From: ilkant at icon.fi (Ilpo Kantonen)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:52:07 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users to change their address themselves
Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.19990909235207.490706d4@pop.icon.fi>

I maintain a Mailman mailing list where people sometimes change
addresses.. Would it be a good idea to include Mailman change
address possibility to users itself where users would be able
to change their own address him/herself on www-page
user__at__host.somewhere ? It would reduce admin work.

Regards, Ilpo Kantonen





From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep  9 23:19:38 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users to change their address themselves
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19990909235207.490706d4@pop.icon.fi>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990909171811.00bfa3b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:52 PM 9/9/99 +0100, Ilpo Kantonen wrote:
>I maintain a Mailman mailing list where people sometimes change
>addresses.. Would it be a good idea to include Mailman change
>address possibility to users itself where users would be able
>to change their own address him/herself on www-page
>user__at__host.somewhere ? It would reduce admin work.

I think it'd be a great idea, but for the users, and for admins... (I'm
tired of deleting and adding a new user, I'd just like to edit their
address..)

However, if done by a user, it needs to run through the confirm routine
again; otherwise you can subscribe yourself, then "change" your subscription
to whoever it was you wanted to subscribe and annoy.



From glen at interq.or.jp  Fri Sep 10 11:27:52 1999
From: glen at interq.or.jp (Glen Malley)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:27:52 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about cgis
Message-ID: <37D8CF18.2196E045@interq.or.jp>

Is there any documentation on the CGIs in the cgi-bin
directory in Mailman?

I'd like to have Mailman running on a different machine
than the html pages use to configure it (unfortunately
an NT box), but it seems like you must send each CGI
ALL of the information it requires all at once.

So for example, I made a little test page to change
the description of a mailing list using /admin/<listname>
as the ACTION of the FORM and it changed the description fine.
However, it deleted everything else from the configuration
of the list, because I hadn't specified arguments for those.

Is there a way to do one thing at a time on these CGIs?
Is there a way to find out exactly what each script looks for?
Am I going to have to open the source of those things and
recompile them? (why are they not in Python anyway?)

Anybody who has successfully separated the Web interface
from Mailman...I'd appreciate hearing from you. Documentation
on this sort of thing (and, well, any thing in MM) is sparse
to non-existent....

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From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Fri Sep 10 13:39:31 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:39:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] upgrade successful, but lists down
In-Reply-To: <37D8CF18.2196E045@interq.or.jp>
Message-ID: <000401befb81$25ce90c0$0426e8c7@monica.threeofus.com>

We upgraded to Mailman 1.0 final yesterday.

All the admin/listinfo pages on the web are working great, but the lists are
down... I do not receive any of my test messages, and I didn't wake up to
the usual 50 or so undeliverable messages I get every night...

We're without a sysadmin and at a loss as to where to begin to look to fix
the problem.

Any pointers anyone?

Thanks,

J.




From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Fri Sep 10 18:21:47 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:21:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] continuing saga of our broken installation...FW: qmail errors
Message-ID: <199909101617.MAA14547@mail.scansoft.com>

Here is an error message qmail generated that may explain what we need to 
fix to get our lists back up...

any ideas anyone?

-----------snip------------------------


Josh, the following is the type of error being generated:

Sep 10 12:06:29 search Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
gid 12, GOT gid 758.  (Reconfigure to take 758?)



---------------snip--------------------



From danielj at wizard.com  Sat Sep 11 02:24:48 1999
From: danielj at wizard.com (Daniel Jacobs)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:24:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface keeps prompting for password
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909101718560.12159-100000@snark.wizard.com>

I installed Mailman on a FreeBSD 3.2 machine. Everything installed with no
errors, and check_perms shows no problems. When I go to the web interface
and log in with the password, it logs me in fine. But any time I make any
changes and click submit, it prompts me for the password again and doesn't
make any of the changes. I have cookies enable, and have tried it with
multiple browsers. No errors are getting logged. Any ideas? Or any way to
pump up the logging level?

Thanks.

Daniel Jacobs | @wizard.com - Las Vegas Providers of Internet Services
     (702) 317-2001 | http://www.wizard.com/ | danielj at wizard.com
           "In art and dream, may you proceed with abandon.
  In life, may you proceed with balance and stealth." - Patti Smith




From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Sat Sep 11 09:44:01 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:44:01 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] web interface keeps prompting for password
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909101718560.12159-100000@snark.wizard.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9909110943240.23736-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Daniel Jacobs wrote:

> make any of the changes. I have cookies enable, and have tried it with
> multiple browsers. No errors are getting logged. Any ideas? Or any way to
> pump up the logging level?

See if both client and server have their clocks in sync.

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Sat Sep 11 09:49:27 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:49:27 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] continuing saga of our broken installation...FW:
 qmail errors
In-Reply-To: <199909101617.MAA14547@mail.scansoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9909110945200.23736-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> Here is an error message qmail generated that may explain what we need to 
> fix to get our lists back up...
> 
> any ideas anyone?
> 
> -----------snip------------------------
> 
> 
> Josh, the following is the type of error being generated:
> 
> Sep 10 12:06:29 search Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED
> gid 12, GOT gid 758.  (Reconfigure to take 758?)
> 
It means that mailman wrapper is being run under Group ID 758 and it was
made with GID 12 (the normal mail GID). You can use to solutions:
1 - Have qmail run Mailman wrapper with GID 12, which I don't know how to do
2 - Run configure --with-mail-gid 758 and make Mailman again.

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From jread at fever.semiotek.com  Sat Sep 11 10:54:25 1999
From: jread at fever.semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:54:25 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from smartlist
Message-ID: <19990911045425.B87028@fever.semiotek.com>

OK, I just installed mailman and migrated a couple of small, unimportant
lists over to it. Everything worked OK, and mailman looks great.

Now I am looking at migrating over some of my larger lists (from smartlist). 

You're allowed to tell me to RTFM if you include a link to the FM, since
I looked around and didn't see an obvious way to do this, or an obvious
place to look for the answer:

  1) I have a lot of users to migrate over. There's the bulk subscribe
     option that I can use on the webpage, but it doesn't allow me
     to specify whether the user should get the digest version or 
     the non-digest version. 

     I don't want to turn on hundreds of checkboxes, especially since
     once they're in the sub list, it would be a horrendous amount of 
     work to sit there with a list of subscribers who should be digest
     versions, and hunt them down in the sub list, and check their box.
   
     How do I mass-subscribe a bunch of people, and tell mailman that
     they should ALL get the digest version? (I would then mass-sub 
     all the non-digests in one step, and all the digests in a 2nd step.)

  2) Is it possible to migrate my mailing list archive over? 

     I am currently running smartlist, which means what I have is a 
     directory with 2000 email messages in it, in plain text form, 
     complete with from lines. 

     I would like to post these to the mailman archive as though they
     had originally been posted to the list, but without mailing them
     out to the list subscribers. 

     It looks like I could just concatenate everything onto the end 
     of the mbox file... but I don't know what's going to happen. Is 
     there a limit on the size of this file? Will it work? What should
     I do here?


Thanks in advance,

Justin




From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Sat Sep 11 12:09:40 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:09:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from smartlist
In-Reply-To: <19990911045425.B87028@fever.semiotek.com>; from Justin Wells on Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 04:54:25AM -0400
References: <19990911045425.B87028@fever.semiotek.com>
Message-ID: <19990911120940.A5022@rix>

Hi,

On Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 04:54:25AM -0400, Justin Wells wrote:
> Now I am looking at migrating over some of my larger lists (from smartlist). 
> You're allowed to tell me to RTFM if you include a link to the FM, since
> I looked around and didn't see an obvious way to do this, or an obvious
> place to look for the answer:
>   1) I have a lot of users to migrate over. There's the bulk subscribe
>      option that I can use on the webpage, but it doesn't allow me
>      to specify whether the user should get the digest version or 
>      the non-digest version. 
>      How do I mass-subscribe a bunch of people, and tell mailman that
>      they should ALL get the digest version? (I would then mass-sub 
>      all the non-digests in one step, and all the digests in a 2nd step.)
~mailman/bin/add_members is your friend...
i don't know in what format the smartlist userlist is, but you can
make 2 differen plain text files, one for the non-digest and the
other for the digest users... and feed them to add_members...
Note that you can run into trouble if you subscribe a huge list of people
this way ... i'm not sure if this has been changed in the latest version
of  mailman, but it was advised to do the mass subscribes in several chunks
cause sometimes it might happen that the MTA doesn't accept that much
connections in one time...

Add members to a list from the command line.

Usage:
    add_members [-n <file>] [-d <file>] [-c <y|n>] [-w <y|n>] [-h] listname

Where:

    --non-digest-members-file <file>
    -n <file>
        A file containing addresses of the members to be added, one
        address per line.  This list of people become non-digest
        members.  If <file> is `-', read addresses from stdin.

    --digest-members-file <file>
    -d <file>
        Similar to above, but these people become digest members.

    --changes-msg=<y|n>
    -c <y|n> 
	set whether or not to send the list members the `there's going to be
	big changes to your list' message. defaults to no.

    --welcome-msg=<y|n>
    -w <y|n>
        set whether or not to send the list members a welcome message,
        overriding whatever the list's `send_welcome_msg' setting is.

    --help
    -h
        Print this help message and exit.

    listname
        The name of the Mailman list you are adding members to.  It must
        already exist.

You must supply at least one of -n and -d options.  At most one of the
files can be `-'.

Ricardo.

--




From jread at fever.semiotek.com  Sat Sep 11 15:44:59 1999
From: jread at fever.semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from smartlist
In-Reply-To: <19990911120940.A5022@rix>
References: <19990911045425.B87028@fever.semiotek.com> <19990911120940.A5022@rix>
Message-ID: <19990911094459.A90399@fever.semiotek.com>

Thanks Ricardo!

add_members worked... I now have all my lists converted over, and they 
seem to be working OK. I guess I'll know if the digests are really 
working in a day or two :-) 

I looked at the other commands in that bin directory, and most of 
them print out useful usage messages. However, a few don't. In 
particular the "arch" command isn't very helpful--what I really 
ned to know is exactly what format of data it's willing to accept. 

I'm sure I can easily convert all my existing mail archives to whatever
it wants.. if only I knew what it wanted.

Also, it seems not to like private lists. It hangs. Running it against
a public list and copying the files over to the private list seems
to work.

Is this stuff documented somewhere?

Justin

On Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 12:09:40PM +0200, Ricardo wrote:

> ~mailman/bin/add_members is your friend...



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Sat Sep 11 19:45:55 1999
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:45:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Serializing
Message-ID: <E11PrBx-00007F-00@dipolo.dicea.unifi.it>

How to patch mailman so in one list the tag would be [yyyy-12345 
list] instead of [list] ??? (12345 is an unique serial number for every 
message on that list, with yearly rollover and yyyy is the year (If 
there are problem even just [12345] would be enought ...)
Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Sat Sep 11 19:45:55 1999
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:45:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Avoid user unsubscribing
Message-ID: <E11PrBz-00007F-00@dipolo.dicea.unifi.it>

How to set one list so certain users cannot change their setup 
(such setting nomail or unsubscribing) ???
(Of course this does not avoid they forward the mail to /dev/null ... 
but at least the mail is sent ... :-)
(Note that if they subscribe to other lists in the same server they 
must be able to act regularly, as well the other users)

Leonardo Boselli
nucleo informatico e telematico
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
V. S. Marta 3 - I-50139 Firenze
tel +39()0554796431 fax +39()055495333
http://www.dicea.unifi.it/~leo



From jread at fever.semiotek.com  Sun Sep 12 01:38:12 1999
From: jread at fever.semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:38:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman wedges during post, waiting for locks
In-Reply-To: <19990911120940.A5022@rix>
References: <19990911045425.B87028@fever.semiotek.com> <19990911120940.A5022@rix>
Message-ID: <19990911193812.A93262@fever.semiotek.com>

mailman is misbehaving on me: I have lots of copies oif python waiting for 
a lock during post, and I have a couple of zombies. It seems to have wedged
itself so that posting doesn't work. 

What's going on, what caused it, how do I fix it, and how do I prevent it
from happening again?

Justin


fever:/local/mailman/locks$ ps -auxwww | grep python
daemon   90314 44.1  0.0     0    0  ??  Z    -         0:00.00  (python)
daemon   87090 13.8  0.0     0    0  ??  Z    -         0:00.00  (python)
daemon   87089  0.0  0.8  2804 1008  ??  I     4:42AM   0:00.26 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post tek
daemon   90090  0.0  1.6  2712 2092  ??  I     9:21AM   0:00.21 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post tek
daemon   90313  0.0  0.9  2792 1140  ??  I     9:35AM   0:00.26 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post tek
daemon   90836  0.0  1.7  2712 2220  ??  I    11:04AM   0:00.22 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post tek
daemon   93081  0.0  1.7  2712 2220  ??  I     7:23PM   0:00.22 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post tek
daemon   93162  0.0  1.7  2712 2228  ??  I     7:28PM   0:00.22 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post tek
fever:/local/mailman/locks$ 




From jarrell at vt.edu  Sun Sep 12 20:40:36 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 14:40:36 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] migrating from smartlist
In-Reply-To: <19990911045425.B87028@fever.semiotek.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990912143427.04ee8b20@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 04:54 AM 9/11/99 -0400, you wrote:
>      How do I mass-subscribe a bunch of people, and tell mailman that
>      they should ALL get the digest version? (I would then mass-sub 
>      all the non-digests in one step, and all the digests in a 2nd step.)

add_members can do that.


>   2) Is it possible to migrate my mailing list archive over? 
>
>      I am currently running smartlist, which means what I have is a 
>      directory with 2000 email messages in it, in plain text form, 
>      complete with from lines. 

Yes,  The procedure for that is in the FAQ.  You run

arch listname filename

and it imports an mbox format file into the current archives.



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Mon Sep 13 08:43:15 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:43:15 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] cron error
Message-ID: <19990913164315.O31845@tertius.net.au>

I'm getting errors thus.  Are they important and how do I 
fix them?

To: list at hiro.netizen.com.au
Subject: Cron <list at hiro> /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/sh>
X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/var/list>
X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/usr/bin:/bin>
X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=list>

Exception exceptions.ValueError: 'unpack list of wrong size' in <method
+FileLock.__del__ of FileLock instance at 8182110> ignored


-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: No matter how positive the changes, new ways which do not fit
: old ways can be threatening.
: -- Patricia Carrington, The Book of Meditation



From jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu  Mon Sep 13 23:48:09 1999
From: jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu (Jeff Berliner)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:48:09 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two copies of mailman on one machine?
Message-ID: <1907380.3146230089@antwerp.med.nyu.edu>

        Has anyone ever been able to get mailman running twice on the
same machine before?  We run mailman to manage our mailing lists, and
would also like to see about using mailman for a few other projects,
but those would require (some) modifications to the source, and we
don't want those to affect the bulk of our mailing lists.  Also, due to
security restrictions and whatnot, a second machine is not available.

        The initial mailman (v.1.0) installation is running with no
problem.  I did a 'make distclean', created a new user, re-ran
configure with new parameters, did a 'make install', configured Apache,
fixed up sendmail and everything seemed ok.  I was able to create my
test list, I was able to get to the subscription page, and here is
where I ran into trouble.  The "submit" button on that page always
attempts to run .../mailman/subscribe, and that's not the correct URL
for my second copy.  I've updated mm_cfg.py with the appropriate URLs,
made sure my Makefiles were correct, etc and still can't find where
Mailman gets that URL from.  

        Is there any easy way to make MM run twice?  Am I a moron for
trying? :)  Any help is appreciated...

                                                - Jeff

-- 
Jeff Berliner                                 jeff at popmail.med.nyu.edu
Academic Computing,                           Phone: (212) 263-2051
New York University School of Medicine        Fax:   (212) 263-8542



From bora at employees.org  Mon Sep 13 23:01:29 1999
From: bora at employees.org (Matthew Kaing)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:01:29 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <19990913164315.O31845@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <NDBBJINJGGCKFKLCJLOAMEHCDAAA.bora@employees.org>

Hi Folks,

I am a newbie to mailman.  Does mailman allow individual user to create a
new list via the web browser?  I know that "newlist" is from the command
line, what about the web interface?

Thanks,
Matthew




From hflynn at gibralter.net  Tue Sep 14 00:31:02 1999
From: hflynn at gibralter.net (Hal Flynn)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:31:02 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with GID for mail
Message-ID: <37DD7B26.202CF98D@gibralter.net>

Ok.  Here's the issue.  I've been working on debugging this one for a
couple of hours, and I don't seem to be making any progress.

I'm running mailman on a Sparc w/ Solaris 2.6.  I can get everything
compiled and in place.  Here's an excerpt from the config:

checking for mailman UID... mailman
checking for mailman GID... 102
checking permissions on /export/home/mailman... okay
checking for mail wrapper GID... 2
checking for CGI wrapper GID... 60001

That is achieved with --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=bin

After running make, make install, and check_perms, everything goes
without a hitch.  However, after I get it running on the httpd, and make
a test list, the attempt to confirm my subscription results in an
"Unknown Mailer Error 2."

An excerpt from syslog says this:

Sep 13 18:19:32 medusa sendmail[25213]: SAA25213: from=<blah at blah.com>,
size=735, class=0, pri=30735, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<ANCHNJNMEGPCAAAA at mailcity.com>, proto=SMTP,
relay=fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]
Sep 13 18:19:32 medusa Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
Sep 13 18:19:32 medusa sendmail[25214]: SAA25213:
to="|/export/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test", delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2
Sep 13 18:19:32 medusa sendmail[25214]: SAA25213: SAA25214: DSN: unknown
mailer error 2
Sep 13 18:19:33 medusa sendmail[25214]: SAA25214: to=<blah at blah.com>,
delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp,
relay=mta7-mail.mailcity.com. [209.185.123.153], stat=Sent ([SMTPD]: OK)



Does anybody have an idea of how to hammer around this issue?  It has me
a little stumped at this point.

Thanks,
Hal




From kirk at braille.uwo.ca  Tue Sep 14 01:14:36 1999
From: kirk at braille.uwo.ca (Kirk Reiser)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:14:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] editing lists info and /etc/aliases
Message-ID: <m11QfIy-0013o8C@braille.uwo.ca>

Hi Folks:  I have just installed mailman on my main server in
preparation of replacing my current list server with mailman.  I have
read through as many docs as I have been able to find but am still
left with a few questions.

In one of the documents it alluded to being able to have newlist or
some other program add the alias info to the /etc/aliases
automatically if it were a sendmail/smail style aliases file.  I have
not been able to figure out how to do so.  I can use >> redirection
but that is less than optimal.

Also, is there a way to edit the subscription welcome message and the
like, such as the message tag some way other than from the web page?
I don't find editing on the web page very fulfilling or enjoyable.
I've looked through the lists directory but don't see anyplace those
files are stored unless they are in the config.db.  That appears to be
a binary file so I am reluctant to edit that.

Any help someone might offer me would certainly be appreciated.

  Kirk



From christopher at schulte.org  Tue Sep 14 04:01:46 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:01:46 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJINJGGCKFKLCJLOAMEHCDAAA.bora@employees.org>
References: <19990913164315.O31845@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990913205937.00bd0380@pop.schulte.org>

There was talk of this ability before.  It seems to be in an increasingly 
higher demand as time passes.  Officially this is not yet supported, but 
I've seen a few patches that claim to be able to implement this.

Is there an official developers response as to the possible timetable for 
inclusion into the core functionality?

At 02:01 PM 9/13/99 -0700, you wrote:
 >Hi Folks,
 >
 >I am a newbie to mailman.  Does mailman allow individual user to create a
 >new list via the web browser?  I know that "newlist" is from the command
 >line, what about the web interface?
 >
 >Thanks,
 >Matthew

--
NAME: Christopher Schulte
MAIL: christopher at schulte.org
SITE: http://www.schulte.org/
FINGER: christopher at shell.schulte.org

"i don't want to listen,
but it's all too clear."
--Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails HALO 8




From christopher at schulte.org  Tue Sep 14 04:14:30 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:14:30 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with GID for mail
In-Reply-To: <37DD7B26.202CF98D@gibralter.net>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990913210406.00c7e110@pop.schulte.org>

Try configuring like this:

./configure  --with-mail-gid=1 --with-cgi-gid=nobody

and then make install.

At 06:31 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
 >That is achieved with --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-mail-gid=bin
 >
 >An excerpt from syslog says this:
 >
 >Sep 13 18:19:32 medusa Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script.
 >WANTED gid 2, GOT gid 1.  (Reconfigure to take 1?)
 >Sep 13 18:19:32 medusa sendmail[25214]: SAA25213:
 >to="|/export/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test", delay=00:00:01,
 >xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 2
 >
 >Thanks,
 >Hal

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From tomas at euronetics.se  Tue Sep 14 11:58:58 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:58:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two copies of mailman on one machine?
References: <1907380.3146230089@antwerp.med.nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <37DE1C61.DCE08512@euronetics.se>

Hi Jeff.
I run multiple instances of mailman on the same machine. It works well if
you just let them live in total isolation from each other. A necessary step
is to define (export) the environment variables MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID,
FQDN, and URL before running the configure script. To give you an idea of
how I do it, I have attached the shell script I use for setting up a new
instance.

Hope it helps. Cheers, Tomas

-------------- next part --------------
#!/usr/bin/env bash

. /etc/virtual.conf

if [ $# -ne 2 ] ; then echo "USAGE: `basename $0` <user> <domain>" ; exit ; fi

export listuser=$1
export listdomain=$2
export vlistbase=${virtualbase}/mail
export logdir=log
export logfile=${logdir}/$listdomain
export gzippedtarball=${vlistbase}/pub/mailman-1.0.tgz

function verbose () {
    echo + $@ >&2
    $@
}

function rotate () {
    local head=$1 tail=$2 version=$3 horizon=$4
    if [ $version -lt $horizon ] ; then
        if [ -e $head.$version ] ; then
            rotate $head .$version `expr $version + 1` $horizon
        fi
        if [ -e $head$tail ] ; then
            verbose mv $head$tail $head.$version
        fi
    fi
}

verbose cd $vlistbase
test -d $logdir || verbose mkdir -p $logdir
rotate $logfile "" 0 10

umask 2
verbose mkdir -m a+rx,ug+w $listdomain
verbose chown $listuser.$listuser $listdomain
verbose chmod g+ws $listdomain
verbose cd $listdomain

su $listuser -- -sx $gzippedtarball > $vlistbase/$logfile <<-\EOF
    mmdir=mailman
    prefix=`pwd`/$mmdir
    mkdir $mmdir
    chmod a+rx,g+ws $mmdir
    tar zxf $1
    cd mailman-1.0
    export MAILMAN_UID=`id -u` MAILMAN_GID=`id -g`
    export FQDN=$listdomain URL=$listdomain
    ./configure --prefix=$prefix 2>&1
    make install 2>&1
EOF

From gavin at theplanet.net  Tue Sep 14 13:36:39 1999
From: gavin at theplanet.net (Gavin Bullough)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:36:39 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email addresses
Message-ID: <0159EF26EBC6D211BAE000508B090A8702C1E3@pct2.theplanet.net>

Hi,
 
I have over 700 email addresses in a mailing list which I wish to delete
quickly.  Is there any other way to delete them apart from clicking each
member one by one via the web interface.
 
Surely there is a way I can use 'vi' editor??
 
Thanks
Gav
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From ajc at bing.wattle.id.au  Tue Sep 14 14:01:38 1999
From: ajc at bing.wattle.id.au (Andrew J Cosgriff)
Date: 14 Sep 1999 22:01:38 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email addresses
In-Reply-To: Gavin Bullough's message of "Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:36:39 +0100"
References: <0159EF26EBC6D211BAE000508B090A8702C1E3@pct2.theplanet.net>
Message-ID: <ruiyae9ya59.fsf@starfish.bofh.asn.au>

Gavin Bullough wrote :

> I have over 700 email addresses in a mailing list which I wish to
> delete quickly.  Is there any other way to delete them apart from
> clicking each member one by one via the web interface.
  
> Surely there is a way I can use 'vi' editor??

No, but if you have a look in ~mailman/bin you'll see a script called
"remove_members" which will do as you ask.

-- 
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                        memory lies footwear solar sand



From gme at s1.com  Tue Sep 14 14:36:48 1999
From: gme at s1.com (George Ellenburg)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:36:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments Not Making it to the List
Message-ID: <005801befead$d014bd50$46144b0a@s1.com>

Greetings.

I run MailMan internally on our Corporate Intranet.

It appears MailMan is not wanting to accept a simple 78k Word document
attachment and disburse it to the list.

There are no limits on message size enabled for this one list.

My initial hunch was that the poster was using Lotus Notes and that Notes
was doing some funky MIMEification to the message which MailMan was choking
on.  However, I tried posting the same message from Outlook Express to no
avail.

The ironic thing though is that the message is making it's way to the
pipermail archives but just not getting disbursed.

I had this same problem on 1.0rc3 (I'm now running 1.0 release) but this
was with a 120k Excel spreadsheet (sent from Lotus Notes as well) which
refused to go out, although it was getting archived.  I ended up having to
convert the Excel spreadsheet into HTML tables about no greater than 25k in
size for that message to go.

Any clues?

Since this is on an Intranet, there's no access to the web pages from the
outside but I'd be more than happy to provide whatever information is
necessary.

Thanks,

George Ellenburg
Security First Technologies
gme at s1.com





From gme at s1.com  Tue Sep 14 14:38:57 1999
From: gme at s1.com (George Ellenburg)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:38:57 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists not being displayed on ListInfo
Message-ID: <006001befeae$1d1c9690$46144b0a@s1.com>

I have at least two mailing lists which are all public, which aren't being
displayed from the ListInfo pages.

They are, however, displaying fine from the List Admin page.

I've tried toggling their public/ private status to no avail.

Any clues?

Thanks,

George Ellenburg
Security First Technologies
gme at s1.com





From jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu  Tue Sep 14 15:43:52 1999
From: jeff at endeavor.med.nyu.edu (Jeff Berliner)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:43:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two copies of mailman on one machine?
In-Reply-To: <37DE1C61.DCE08512@euronetics.se>
Message-ID: <170457.3146287432@antwerp.med.nyu.edu>

--On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 11:58 AM +0200 Tomas Fasth <tomas at euronetics.se>
wrote:
> I run multiple instances of mailman on the same machine. It works
> well if you just let them live in total isolation from each other. A
> necessary step is to define (export) the environment variables
> MAILMAN_UID, MAILMAN_GID, FQDN, and URL before running the configure
> script. To give you an idea of how I do it, I have attached the shell
> script I use for setting up a new instance.

        Thanks for the reply.  I'm still having the same trouble
though.  It's not that I have two virtual domains that I want to each
have a copy of mailman, but two copies on the same domain.  For
instance:

        http://mymachine/mailman/admin/test

would get me to my test list on my normal copy of mailman, and 

        http://mymachine/olmm/admin/oltest

would get me to the oltest list on the second copy of mailman.  That
seems to be ok, but on the second copy, all the cgi's seem to call the
first copy (eg., /mailman/ is hardcoded somewhere).  

        Thanks anyway!

                                                                - Jeff
       
        

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New York University School of Medicine        Fax:   (212) 263-8542



From tomas at euronetics.se  Tue Sep 14 14:55:54 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:55:54 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] two copies of mailman on one machine?
References: <170457.3146287432@antwerp.med.nyu.edu>
Message-ID: <37DE45DA.CB02E0B4@euronetics.se>

Jeff Berliner wrote:

>         Thanks for the reply.  I'm still having the same trouble
> though.  It's not that I have two virtual domains that I want to each
> have a copy of mailman, but two copies on the same domain.  For
> instance:
>
>         http://mymachine/mailman/admin/test
>
> would get me to my test list on my normal copy of mailman, and
>
>         http://mymachine/olmm/admin/oltest
>
> would get me to the oltest list on the second copy of mailman.  That
> seems to be ok, but on the second copy, all the cgi's seem to call the
> first copy (eg., /mailman/ is hardcoded somewhere).

I see. Yes, I have noticed that too. In my case I tried to optimise the URL
by removing the mailman part. Each of my Mailman instances have it's own
virtual http entry and I wanted admin and listinfo to be at root. But no.
No big deal though, I quickly forgot the issue. But now that you mention
it, there sure are some hardcoded stuff still in Mailman. Like check_perms
for example, with mailman uid hardcoded.

Shame on me though, I should have tried to produce some diffs and post it
here as soon as I made the observation. Not doing so, does that make me a
bad netizen? ;-)

Tomas





From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Tue Sep 14 16:19:06 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:19:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1.0 running!, one other problem
Message-ID: <199909141414.KAA31597@mail.scansoft.com>

Thanks for the help in getting our 1.0 installation up and running.

The only strange thing that's happened as a result is that EVERY post to
EVERY list is being held for approval even though the option in the General
Posting Filters for every list says NOT to hold for approval... even do not
restrict to subscribers...

Any ideas why this would be happening?

I'm going crazy approving messages... I want my automatic lists back!

Thanks,

J.



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Tue Sep 14 19:05:48 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 13:05:48 -0400
Subject: FW: [Mailman-Users] 1.0 running!, one other problem 
Message-ID: <199909141701.NAA03630@mail.scansoft.com>


well,

I have one address in there which is an alias that someone in house was
using... because of the nature of that alias, they were unable to actually
'subscribe' that alias....

other than that, there's nothing in there, and the part that says

Must posts be approved by an administrator? is 'no' too...

J.

----------
>From: Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk>
>To: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at scansoft.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] 1.0 running!, one other problem
>Date: Tue, Sep 14, 1999, 10:49
>

>
> jfreeman at scansoft.com said:
>> The only strange thing that's happened as a result is that EVERY post
>> to EVERY list is being held for approval even though the option in the
>> General Posting Filters for every list says NOT to hold for
>> approval... even do not restrict to subscribers...
>
> Have you got something in the "Addresses of members accepted for
> posting to this list without implicit approval requirement. " box in
> privacy options - I found this didn't do what I expected it too....
>
>  Nigel.
>
> --
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> [ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]
>
> 



From gordonh at tagnet.org  Wed Sep 15 02:24:00 1999
From: gordonh at tagnet.org (Gordon Harty)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:24:00 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with run_queue never finishing
Message-ID: <19990914172359.A1863@TAGnet.org>

I have run_queue in my crontab running every 30 minutes like the
instructions say.  A few days ago my system was heavily loaded with
several run_queue processes running.

I killed them off and am now trying to get run_queue to actually complete.
Last night I let it run and it finally gave an error trace of the
following:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman-1.0/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-1.0/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/usr/local/mailman-1.0/Mailman/flock.py", line 175, in lock
    os.unlink(self.tmpfname)
os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory')

I tried to report this as a bug through the jitterbug interface but it
bounced the bug report.

At this point when I execute run_queue it just sits there taking 3 or 4%
of the CPU for hours.  I have, of course, taken it out of my crontab so it
does not clobber my system but I'm not sure what to do.

Gordon



From doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk  Wed Sep 15 11:37:03 1999
From: doctor at kira.mcc.ac.uk (Mike Richardson)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:37:03 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] High number of users?
Message-ID: <19990915103703.Z590@kira.mcc.ac.uk>

Hi,

A general question about the scalability of mailman:

Does anyone know if mailman can handle ~200,000 users reliably? (by adding 
together all the users in all the mailing lists)

Machine spec is not an issue. List usage would be high.

Mike
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From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Wed Sep 15 14:54:32 1999
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:54:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists not being displayed on ListInfo
In-Reply-To: <006001befeae$1d1c9690$46144b0a@s1.com>
References: <006001befeae$1d1c9690$46144b0a@s1.com>
Message-ID: <14303.38664.288451.894203@trooper.velocet.ca>

>>>>> "George" == George Ellenburg <gme at s1.com> writes:

George> I have at least two mailing lists which are all public, which
George> aren't being displayed from the ListInfo pages.

George> They are, however, displaying fine from the List Admin page.

George> I've tried toggling their public/ private status to no avail.

I've found that this can be due to using a domain name for the machine 
other than the one that mailman has recorded for the list.

Dave.

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============================================================================
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|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
=========================================================GLO================



From gme at s1.com  Wed Sep 15 15:06:43 1999
From: gme at s1.com (George Ellenburg)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:06:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists not being displayed on ListInfo
References: <006001befeae$1d1c9690$46144b0a@s1.com> <14303.38664.288451.894203@trooper.velocet.ca>
Message-ID: <005601beff7b$288074c0$46144b0a@s1.com>

David, thanks for responding!

I did some further investigating on this problem.  It appears to only
affect Netscape Users and not IE.

My hunch is that there's not a meta tag in the dynamic HTML to tell the
browser's not to cache the page.  Does anyone know exactly where this code
is generated from?

Thanks.

George Ellenburg

----- Original Message -----
From: David Gilbert <dgilbert at velocet.ca>
To: George Ellenburg <gme at s1.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists not being displayed on ListInfo


> >>>>> "George" == George Ellenburg <gme at s1.com> writes:
>
> George> I have at least two mailing lists which are all public, which
> George> aren't being displayed from the ListInfo pages.
>
> George> They are, however, displaying fine from the List Admin page.
>
> George> I've tried toggling their public/ private status to no avail.
>
> I've found that this can be due to using a domain name for the machine
> other than the one that mailman has recorded for the list.
>
> Dave.
>
> --
>
===========================================================================
=
> |David Gilbert, Velocet Communications.       | Two things can only be
|
> |Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if
they |
> |http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.
|
>
=========================================================GLO===============
=




From hflynn at gibralter.net  Wed Sep 15 15:43:35 1999
From: hflynn at gibralter.net (Hal Flynn)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:43:35 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe via mail
Message-ID: <37DFA287.5AA4DFB2@gibralter.net>

Mornin' from windy/rainy North Carolina!

I have two questions for you gentlemen:

1)    I'm trying to judge the impact of moving from majordomo to
mailman.  My main concern is this:

I have web GUI's running with CGI's here for some of the help, that aids
them in entering the addresses of customers for our information lists.
My goal here is to have as little impact on them as possible, as they're
not the most technically esteemed.  What I'd like to know in this
respect is the possibility of subscribing users via email.  Is this one
of the features of Mailman?  Or retrofit with the current system I have
in place, would I have to hack up the GUI that comes with mailman, or
dig into code?

2)  I noticed in the TODO list there's a need for people to contribute
to the documentation project.  I'm interested in this, although I am
waiting for some things to stabilize here (I'm moving next week).  My
question is who is the point of contact/coordinator of this project, and
if there isn't one, who can I get the information on what needs to be
done at this point?


Thanks for the great mailing list manager, guys.  2 days into it,
I LOVE it.

Hal

Hal Flynn
Senior Systems Administrator
Gibralter Data Services
hflynn at gibralter.net
910-455-6446 Ext 3034




From ink at inconnu.isu.edu  Wed Sep 15 17:38:28 1999
From: ink at inconnu.isu.edu (Craig Kelley)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:38:28 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Idea
In-Reply-To: <199909150505.BAA08664@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990915093413.5291B-100000@inconnu.isu.edu>

I believe it would be nice to specify a size threshold on archived
messages.  The situation is like this:  We have a certain list where the
memebers throw around large attachments, but they take up a lot of space
sitting in the archive.  If I could say "don't archive messages >30k" it
would clear the problem up.

Maybe I should just break down and get the O'Rielly Python book.  :)

Oh, and I also want a searchable archive for Christmas.  :D

This is *great* software.  I love it.  Version 1.0 fixed any gripes I had
before, and what's even better is that my users love it more than I do.

--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley  -- kellcrai at isu.edu
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger ink at inconnu.isu.edu for PGP block





From daryl.williams at sharewave.com  Thu Sep 16 01:25:04 1999
From: daryl.williams at sharewave.com (Daryl Williams)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] using mailman on 1 host in multiple domains
Message-ID: <37E02ACF.4310C0F0@sharewave.com>

hello folks,

this is my first posting to this list. i am new to mailman.
i have looked over the documentation and the faq that
i was able to find, however i have not seen this topic
addressed anywhere yet. if indeed i need to rtfm
 a pointer to the fm would be much appreciated. :)

the subject basically says it all. i am trying to setup
mailman to work on 1 machine that serves multiple
dns domains. is this a supported configuration and
is there any documentation on how to do this?

i should mention that mailman is already setup and
working in one of the domains. i now need to setup
some mailing lists in another domain on the same
machine.

tia,

//daryl
--
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 Network Administrator     mailto:daryl at sharewave.com
 ShareWave, Inc.           Phone: 916-939-9400 x3212
 5175 Hillsdale Circle     Fax: 916-939-9434
 El Dorado Hills, CA. 95762Web: http://www.sharewave.com






From tomas at euronetics.se  Thu Sep 16 10:09:52 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 10:09:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Idea
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990915093413.5291B-100000@inconnu.isu.edu>
Message-ID: <37E0A5D0.502BD21C@euronetics.se>

Craig Kelley wrote:

> If I could say "don't archive messages >30k" it
> would clear the problem up.

Why not "strip attachments larger than 30k"?
There is a need for MIME awareness anyway.

<tomas/>





From fw at deneb.cygnus.argh.org  Thu Sep 16 10:39:20 1999
From: fw at deneb.cygnus.argh.org (Florian Weimer)
Date: 16 Sep 1999 10:39:20 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments Not Making it to the List
In-Reply-To: "George Ellenburg"'s message of "Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:36:48 -0400"
References: <005801befead$d014bd50$46144b0a@s1.com>
Message-ID: <87puzjjlmv.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org>

"George Ellenburg" <gme at s1.com> writes:

> It appears MailMan is not wanting to accept a simple 78k Word document
> attachment and disburse it to the list.

There's a default limit of 40K per message for newly created lists.



From berenmls at saers.com  Thu Sep 16 16:16:19 1999
From: berenmls at saers.com (Niklas Saers)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:16:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] alias-trouble
Message-ID: <4.1.19990916161359.03088fc0@pop.saers.com>

Hi. I've pasted the info from bin/newlist into /etc/aliases and done
newaliases (the info was)
## server-announce mailing list 
## created: 16-Sep-1999 niklas 
server-announce: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post server-announce" 
server-announce-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner
server-announce" 
server-announce-request: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
server-announce" 
owner-server-announce: server-announce-admin 
server-announce-owner: server-announce-admin
Then I've sent a mail from the webpages to berenmls at saers.com which I
confirm by hitting the reply button and sending it. I then get the
following mail, and I wonder why this is. mail.meg.nu is the mail-part of
the .meg.nu-servers and is a cname to doriath.meg.nu (which is the same
server as doriath.saers.com aka saers.com)

Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:53:01 +0200 (CEST) 
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> 
Message-Id: <199909161353.PAA20209 at doriath.saers.com> 
To: <berenmls at saers.com> 
MIME-Version: 1.0 
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; 
boundary="PAA20209.937489981/doriath.saers.com" 
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) 
Status: 
The original message was received at Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:53:00 +0200 (CEST) 
from erindel.meg.nu [129.240.215.28] 
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- 
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd server-announce" 
(expanded from: <server-announce-request at doriath.meg.nu>) 
----- Transcript of session follows ----- 
554 "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd server-announce"... unknown
mailer error 2 
Reporting-MTA: dns; doriath.saers.com 
Received-From-MTA: DNS; erindel.meg.nu 
Arrival-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:53:00 +0200 (CEST) 
Final-Recipient: RFC822; <server-announce-request at doriath.meg.nu> 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/usr/local/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd
server-announce at doriath.saers.com 
Action: failed 
Status: 5.0.0 
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From ink at inconnu.isu.edu  Thu Sep 16 17:21:47 1999
From: ink at inconnu.isu.edu (Craig Kelley)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:21:47 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Idea
In-Reply-To: <37E0A5D0.502BD21C@euronetics.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990916091135.3313D-100000@inconnu.isu.edu>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, Tomas Fasth wrote:

> Craig Kelley wrote:
> 
> > If I could say "don't archive messages >30k" it
> > would clear the problem up.
> 
> Why not "strip attachments larger than 30k"?
> There is a need for MIME awareness anyway.

True.  In perl it would be trivial, and I assume the case with python is
the same.  It would, however, slow down the delivery time on mail... But
if it is configurable then it can always be turned off.  How does this
look:

  [radio]     Look for and open multipart-MIME messages
  [input]kb   Do not archive attachments greater than this size
              Do not archive attachments with the following mime-types:
  [text box containing wildcard stuff like application-*]

And heck, it may as well be generalized so that you could perform these
actions on the main list as well (ie, don't send any application-msword
attachments ever)  :)

  -Craig





From jread at fever.semiotek.com  Thu Sep 16 19:16:00 1999
From: jread at fever.semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:16:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman locking woes
Message-ID: <19990916131600.A1692@fever.semiotek.com>

Mailman has wedged itself several times now. Each time it has lots of 
copies of itself running, all waiting for the lock on a list. It looks
like whatever process is holding the lock has wedged, and the whole 
list has got stuck. 

I noticed there were one or two zombies so I'm guessing that somehow 
the zombies hold the lock, but I'm not sure of that.

Has anyone seen this before?

Justin




From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Thu Sep 16 19:17:46 1999
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:17:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Public Lists not being displayed on ListInfo
In-Reply-To: <005601beff7b$288074c0$46144b0a@s1.com>
References: <006001befeae$1d1c9690$46144b0a@s1.com>
	<14303.38664.288451.894203@trooper.velocet.ca>
	<005601beff7b$288074c0$46144b0a@s1.com>
Message-ID: <14305.9786.470311.184737@trooper.velocet.ca>

>>>>> "George" == George Ellenburg <gme at s1.com> writes:

George> David, thanks for responding!  I did some further
George> investigating on this problem.  It appears to only affect
George> Netscape Users and not IE.

George> My hunch is that there's not a meta tag in the dynamic HTML to
George> tell the browser's not to cache the page.  Does anyone know
George> exactly where this code is generated from?

You can edit most of the lists' web pages from the admin menu.  You
should be able to insert stuff there.

Dave.

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From gme at s1.com  Thu Sep 16 19:26:05 1999
From: gme at s1.com (George Ellenburg)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:26:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments Not Making it to the List
References: <005801befead$d014bd50$46144b0a@s1.com> <87puzjjlmv.fsf@deneb.cygnus.argh.org>
Message-ID: <009d01bf0068$8e550ac0$46144b0a@s1.com>

Thanks for your response, but I verified the lists configuration and there
are no message size limits (the field value is set to zero).

Not sure if this matters, but several other lists routinely receive over
500 messages a day, with the message sizes averaging approximately 450kb
per message - however, those messages are plain ascii messages - not
MIMEd - and are going through fine, without any problems.


----- Original Message -----
From: Florian Weimer <fw at deneb.cygnus.argh.org>
To: George Ellenburg <gme at s1.com>
Cc: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Attachments Not Making it to the List


> "George Ellenburg" <gme at s1.com> writes:
>
> > It appears MailMan is not wanting to accept a simple 78k Word document
> > attachment and disburse it to the list.
>
> There's a default limit of 40K per message for newly created lists.




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Sep 16 20:05:19 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:05:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments Not Making it to the List
In-Reply-To: <009d01bf0068$8e550ac0$46144b0a@s1.com> from "George Ellenburg" at Sep 16, 99 01:26:05 pm
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From bora at employees.org  Thu Sep 16 20:35:54 1999
From: bora at employees.org (Matthew Kaing)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:35:54 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990913205937.00bd0380@pop.schulte.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBJINJGGCKFKLCJLOACEMIDAAA.bora@employees.org>

Hi, can anyone confirm if Mailman if going to support Web based Create,
Modify, and Delete?

Thanks,

Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Schulte [mailto:christopher at schulte.org]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 7:02 PM
To: Matthew Kaing
Cc: Mailman-Users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface


There was talk of this ability before.  It seems to be in an increasingly
higher demand as time passes.  Officially this is not yet supported, but
I've seen a few patches that claim to be able to implement this.

Is there an official developers response as to the possible timetable for
inclusion into the core functionality?

At 02:01 PM 9/13/99 -0700, you wrote:
 >Hi Folks,
 >
 >I am a newbie to mailman.  Does mailman allow individual user to create a
 >new list via the web browser?  I know that "newlist" is from the command
 >line, what about the web interface?
 >
 >Thanks,
 >Matthew

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep 16 19:30:37 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:30:37 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <NDBBJINJGGCKFKLCJLOACEMIDAAA.bora@employees.org>
References: <4.2.0.58.19990913205937.00bd0380@pop.schulte.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990916132532.00ae6220@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:35 AM 9/16/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi, can anyone confirm if Mailman if going to support Web based Create,
>Modify, and Delete?

Given that mail man is a volunteer based GNU-licensed product, no, no
one can confirm that it'll support web based create, modify and delete until
someone contributes working code.

However, since more than one person has requested it, and it's on the
todo list, its probably a given that sooner or later someone will get around to it.
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From gme at s1.com  Thu Sep 16 21:18:14 1999
From: gme at s1.com (George Ellenburg)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:18:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Update: Mail not making it to the list
Message-ID: <012001bf0078$394211d0$46144b0a@s1.com>

I've setup a test list, and here's what's happening:
-Queue ID- --Size-- ----Arrival Time---- -Sender/Recipient-------
379171EC22*   35267 Thu Sep 16 15:07:02  gme at s1.com
                                         test at s1.com

(running Postfix as the MTA)

A quick look in /home/mailman/data reveals:

drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman    1024 Sep 16 15:08 .
drwxrwsr-x  17 mailman  mailman     512 Sep  1 01:40 ..
-rw-r-----   1 mailman  mailman      13 Aug 22 12:56 adm.pw
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman  106640 Sep 16 14:44 mm_q.12818.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18408 Sep 16 14:46 mm_q.12912.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18578 Sep 16 14:46 mm_q.12914.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18386 Sep 16 14:46 mm_q.12917.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18602 Sep 16 14:46 mm_q.12927.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18410 Sep 16 14:46 mm_q.12932.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18432 Sep 16 14:46 mm_q.12933.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   35877 Sep 16 14:48 mm_q.15378.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18578 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18504.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18408 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18508.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18432 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18518.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman  106640 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18521.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18386 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18525.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18602 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18526.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18410 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18537.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   35877 Sep 16 14:53 mm_q.18545.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18395 Sep 16 15:00 mm_q.21691.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18565 Sep 16 15:00 mm_q.21701.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18373 Sep 16 15:00 mm_q.21702.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   18399 Sep 16 15:00 mm_q.21724.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   37329 Sep 16 15:04 mm_q.25299.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   37521 Sep 16 15:04 mm_q.25302.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   37433 Sep 16 15:04 mm_q.25303.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   36644 Sep 16 15:05 mm_q.25372.1
-rw-rw----   1 nobody   mailman   34654 Sep 16 15:07 mm_q.25485.1
-rw-rw-r--   1 root     mailman     178 Sep 16 14:35
pending_subscriptions.db

For all of the lists, the "Maximum length in Kb of a message body. Use 0
for no limit." value is either set to zero and more recently 1024 just as a
test.

A quick 'ps' reveals:
nobody  25478 21.0  0.0     0    0  ??  Z    -         0:00.00  (python)
nobody  25483  0.0  0.4  2156 1256  ??  S     3:07PM   0:00.01
/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/deliver
nobody  25484  0.0  0.1   496  248  ??  I     3:07PM   0:00.00 sh -c
/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport
nobody  25485  0.0  0.6  2456 1964  ??  S     3:07PM   0:00.14
/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/contact_transport
nobody  29120  0.0  0.6  2412 1940  ??  Rs    3:11PM   0:00.10
/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/post dclist
nobody  29121  0.0  0.6  2296 1820  ??  Rs    3:11PM   0:00.09
/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/post prirecon
nobody  29122  0.0  0.5  2148 1668  ??  Rs    3:11PM   0:00.07
/usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/post s1help

Any clues?




From claw at varesearch.com  Fri Sep 17 04:08:50 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:08:50 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Matthew Kaing" <bora@employees.org> 
   of "Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:35:54 PDT." <NDBBJINJGGCKFKLCJLOACEMIDAAA.bora@employees.org> 
Message-ID: <E11RnSF-0001ZV-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:35:54 -0700 
Matthew Kaing <bora at employees.org> wrote:

> Hi, can anyone confirm if Mailman if going to support Web based
> Create, Modify, and Delete?

It is wirth observing that creating and deleting lists via a web
interface is not entirely trivial.  For one it is inherently tied to 
the MTA's aliases file, which, by crazy coincidence, is NOT
necessarily either in a standard format OR a standard location.  Now 
MailMan can handle half of that by mandating where the aliases will
be stored, but that does nothing about file formats and MTA
dependencies.

IIRC, Qmail for instance uses a non-sendmail aliases file format.

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From glen at interq.or.jp  Fri Sep 17 06:29:47 1999
From: glen at interq.or.jp (Glen Malley)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:29:47 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI calls to Mailman
Message-ID: <37E1C3BB.E38C8EF5@interq.or.jp>

So I've been messing around a bit, and I'm getting some
interesting results. I wrote a short test cgi in python
to open up a list (MailList.MailList("name")) and spit
out the members of that list.
When run from the command line, it works without a problem.
When run as a cgi, it is unable to open the list.

Can anybody quickly clue me in as to what needs to be
done to get non-Mailman cgi's to have permission to access
the lists?

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From berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu  Fri Sep 17 17:54:54 1999
From: berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu (berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:54:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install/setup conundrum
Message-ID: <199909171554.KAA07485@gsbrgo.uchicago.edu>

Folks:

After thinking paranoid thoughts, I decided to reinstall Mailman following
the advice not to do the configure and make install steps as root.

Okay, I redid the installation as the mailman account.  I ran bin/check_perms,
and no problems were reported.

Then I read the following:

    - You want to be very sure that the user id under which your CGI
      scripts run is *not* in the `mailman' group you created above,
      otherwise private archives will be accessible to anyone.

In the cgi-bin dir, all programs were mailman-owned.  mailman is a member
of the mailman group, of course.

What to do?  Okay, I reinstalled, this time using the bin account.  Then when
I ran bin/check_perms, I got a boatload of complaints about this and that
not being mailman-owned.

So, do I

--reinstall as mailman, and just ignore the warning above

--reinstall as mailman, and remove the mailman account from the mailman
  group, so that the /etc/group line is

  mailman::89:

--keep the installation as bin, use bin/check_perms to fix the problems
  as root, then hope for the best

--throw caution to the wind, and restore the original root installation
  (bad move, most likely)

What would you gurus advise?

Bob

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From jhegarty at snet.wit.ie  Fri Sep 17 19:05:19 1999
From: jhegarty at snet.wit.ie (John Hegarty)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:05:19 +0100 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CGI wrapper
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909171800440.10651-100000@snet.wit.ie>

checking for CGI wrapper GID...
configure: error:
***** No existing group found for the cgi_wrapper program.
***** This is the group that your Web server runs CGI scripts under.
***** You might want to specify an existing group with the
***** --with-cgi-gid configure option.  Please see your Web server's
***** documentation, and the INSTALL file for details    

Really silly question i am sure... but what do I do ? I am running SuSE
Linux 6.0 with Apache 1.3. 
Thanks,

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jhegarty at snet.wit.ie





From dboyd at its.to  Fri Sep 17 19:10:35 1999
From: dboyd at its.to (Darren Boyd)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:10:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: <E11RnSF-0001ZV-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909171108450.20527-100000@avatar.its.to>

On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:35:54 -0700 
> Matthew Kaing <bora at employees.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hi, can anyone confirm if Mailman if going to support Web based
> > Create, Modify, and Delete?
> 
> It is wirth observing that creating and deleting lists via a web
> interface is not entirely trivial.  For one it is inherently tied to 
> the MTA's aliases file, which, by crazy coincidence, is NOT

It also presents an entire new set of security concerns.  With sendmail,
updating the aliases file is not enough, you also *as root* have to run
'newaliases'.  Mailman's great as it doesn't run as root (or doesn't have
to, anyway).  That is a great option.

Later,
Darren






From claw at varesearch.com  Fri Sep 17 19:51:11 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:51:11 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: Message from Darren Boyd <dboyd@its.to> 
   of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:10:35 MDT." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909171108450.20527-100000@avatar.its.to> 
Message-ID: <E11S2AB-0002w7-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:10:35 -0600 (MDT) 
Darren Boyd <dboyd at its.to> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:

>> It is wirth observing that creating and deleting lists via a web
>> interface is not entirely trivial.  For one it is inherently tied
>> to the MTA's aliases file, which, by crazy coincidence, is NOT

> It also presents an entire new set of security concerns.  With
> sendmail, updating the aliases file is not enough, you also *as
> root* have to run 'newaliases'.  Mailman's great as it doesn't run
> as root (or doesn't have to, anyway).  That is a great option.

True, tho this could be sidestpped by having a cronjob that
periodically checked the timestamp on the aliases file and then ran
newaliases (on any other command an MTA needed) as needed.  The web
interface would then mere contain something like, "Your new list has
been created and will become active (capable of receiving mail)
within the next NNN minutes."

Its certainly not an elegant solution.

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From cdh at CompleteIS.com  Fri Sep 17 20:08:59 1999
From: cdh at CompleteIS.com (Chris Halverson)
Date: 17 Sep 1999 13:08:59 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: J C Lawrence's message of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:51:11 -0700"
References: <E11S2AB-0002w7-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <wp7llpl8as.fsf@CompleteIS.com>

J C Lawrence <claw at varesearch.com> writes:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:10:35 -0600 (MDT) 
> Darren Boyd <dboyd at its.to> wrote:
> 
> > It also presents an entire new set of security concerns.  With
> > sendmail, updating the aliases file is not enough, you also *as
> > root* have to run 'newaliases'.  Mailman's great as it doesn't run
> > as root (or doesn't have to, anyway).  That is a great option.
> 
> True, tho this could be sidestpped by having a cronjob that
> periodically checked the timestamp on the aliases file and then ran
> newaliases (on any other command an MTA needed) as needed.  The web

Well, many sites have sendmail setup to automatically run 'newaliases' 
if needed as in:

# automatically rebuild the alias database?
O AutoRebuildAliases=True

The bigger problem, IMHO, is things like virtual users. For example,
we use the virtuser feature of sendmail as we accept mail for about 75
domains. Therefore, we will do aliasing and such of lists and other
emails, and they all must have a domain on the addresses. mailman
kicks out the aliases is without domains, which I then have to go an
add in the virtuser table. It's not a huge deal to me though.

I don't mind not having a web interface. The security concerns and
multiple formats of aliases and such are too much, IMHO, to have to
worry about.

cdh

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From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri Sep 17 20:09:11 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:09:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <E11S2AB-0002w7-00@under.su.varesearch.com> from "J C Lawrence" at Sep 17, 99 10:51:11 am
Message-ID: <199909171809.NAA21746@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From claw at varesearch.com  Fri Sep 17 20:57:37 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:57:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: Message from Christopher Lindsey <lindsey@ncsa.uiuc.edu> 
   of "Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:09:11 CDT." <199909171809.NAA21746@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> 
Message-ID: <E11S3CT-0003DE-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:09:11 -0500 (CDT) 
Christopher Lindsey <lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:

> One component is critical no matter what approach is taken...
> Mailman needs to have some sort of routine that checks against a
> file containing already existing addresses ( anything aliased or
> in /etc/passwd in most cases).

You can do this (somewhat) by trying a resolve on the MTA.

> I personally find it easier to create a new list on the
> commandline, but I'd rather punt the entire job (except for
> aliases) to the end user.  Otherwise I end up sending questions
> back and forth, etc...

How about the following approach:

  There is a web interface.

  It allows a list to be created and configured, but does not
instantiate the aliases or anything else to actually make it "live".

  At the end of the configuration/etc work, a "SUBMIT" button may be
hit which sends an email to the mailman-owner with the URL for the
list and the proposed aliases.  The mailman-owner than does whatever
he wants with it (eg hand edit the aliases into
~mailman/data/aliases)..

The nice thing about this approach is that it removes all the
priviledged account problems, the "oh god someone hacked in and
is running a warez list without me noticing" problem, and further,
requires minimal changes to the current code (the admin interface
would need to be touched to not publish lists "in edit").

-- 
J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From dboyd at its.to  Fri Sep 17 21:08:59 1999
From: dboyd at its.to (Darren Boyd)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:08:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: <E11S3CT-0003DE-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909171306160.20527-100000@avatar.its.to>

I was thinking of something along these lines as well.

A web page could allow a user to create a list, which doesn't get created.
When they hit 'submit' mailman generates a script (sh or python or
whatever) in the .../mailman/newlists/ directory.  A mail is sent to the
administrator who can then log into the box and run the script.  The
script then sets up the list and mails the owner.

This would also get around the problem of allowing anyone to run programs
as root.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Darren


On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:

> How about the following approach:
> 
>   There is a web interface.
> 
>   It allows a list to be created and configured, but does not
> instantiate the aliases or anything else to actually make it "live".
> 
>   At the end of the configuration/etc work, a "SUBMIT" button may be
> hit which sends an email to the mailman-owner with the URL for the
> list and the proposed aliases.  The mailman-owner than does whatever
> he wants with it (eg hand edit the aliases into
> ~mailman/data/aliases)..
> 
> The nice thing about this approach is that it removes all the
> priviledged account problems, the "oh god someone hacked in and
> is running a warez list without me noticing" problem, and further,
> requires minimal changes to the current code (the admin interface
> would need to be touched to not publish lists "in edit").
> 
> 




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri Sep 17 21:14:19 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:14:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <E11S3CT-0003DE-00@under.su.varesearch.com> from "J C Lawrence" at Sep 17, 99 11:57:37 am
Message-ID: <199909171914.OAA22138@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From jread at fever.semiotek.com  Fri Sep 17 21:21:38 1999
From: jread at fever.semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:21:38 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman still wedges on FreeBSD
Message-ID: <19990917152138.A17492@fever.semiotek.com>

Sorry to be so persistent about this, but every 2nd day I've had to 
unwedge mailman, and I still haven't go an answer from this list.

platform: FreeBSD 3.2, Python 1.5.2, mailman 1.0

This sounds a lot like the locking problem described in README.BSD, 
however my version of python is up to date. 

Justin




From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Sep 17 21:34:27 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:34:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman still wedges on FreeBSD
References: <19990917152138.A17492@fever.semiotek.com>
Message-ID: <14306.38851.178107.611926@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JW" == Justin Wells <jread at fever.semiotek.com> writes:

    JW> Sorry to be so persistent about this, but every 2nd day I've
    JW> had to unwedge mailman, and I still haven't go an answer from
    JW> this list.

    JW> platform: FreeBSD 3.2, Python 1.5.2, mailman 1.0

    JW> This sounds a lot like the locking problem described in
    JW> README.BSD, however my version of python is up to date.

Try upgrading to the current CVS snapshot of Mailman.  It uses a more
portable (and consistent) locking mechanism.

-Barry



From christopher at schulte.org  Fri Sep 17 21:56:52 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:56:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: <E11S2AB-0002w7-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
References: <Message from Darren Boyd <dboyd@its.to>
 <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909171108450.20527-100000@avatar.its.to>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990917145120.00aff5f0@pop.schulte.org>

At 10:51 AM 9/17/99 -0700, you wrote:
 >> It also presents an entire new set of security concerns.  With
 >> sendmail, updating the aliases file is not enough, you also *as
 >> root* have to run 'newaliases'.  Mailman's great as it doesn't run
 >> as root (or doesn't have to, anyway).  That is a great option.

Agreed 100% no doubt.

 >True, tho this could be sidestpped by having a cronjob that
 >periodically checked the timestamp on the aliases file and then ran
 >newaliases (on any other command an MTA needed) as needed.  The web
 >interface would then mere contain something like, "Your new list has
 >been created and will become active (capable of receiving mail)
 >within the next NNN minutes."
 >
 >Its certainly not an elegant solution.

It may not be "elegant" but I really like this idea much more than having 
any mailman binaries suid root.  The suid bit is not something that should 
be given lightly to ANY program.

I've not looked into the sendmail option to refresh the alias database as 
needed.  Does this require that sendmail be run as a daemon?  If so then 
you can forget the many people who use a third party smtp daemon which 
passes messages to sendmail directly rather than having it sit on port 25 
itself... and thus taking another suid program away from possible abuse.

 >--
 >J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
 >---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 > ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...

--
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MAIL: christopher at schulte.org
SITE: http://www.schulte.org/
FINGER: christopher at shell.schulte.org

The magic of cheese pizza should never be underestimated.




From wheakory at isu.edu  Sat Sep 18 00:09:16 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:09:16 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of mailing lists
Message-ID: <37E2BC0C.80185B64@isu.edu>

Here is my question. I am going to install mailman on a Compaq 450MHZ
64mb   13gb hard drive with the platform being Red Hat Linux 6.0. I will
be subscribing over a hundred and fifty  mailing lists in mailman, two
lists will have at least 7,000 people subscribed in them and these lists
are only used once a week. With all of the lists how big of a impact
will this be on the system performance?  Will the server experience
utilization problems? If there will be a problem would you give me some
suggestions?

--
Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
System Operations  & Networking

Everything you do must point to him.





From petrilli at amber.org  Sat Sep 18 16:28:01 1999
From: petrilli at amber.org (Christopher Petrilli)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:28:01 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] number of mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <37E2BC0C.80185B64@isu.edu>
References: <37E2BC0C.80185B64@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <19990918102801.B24547@trump.amber.org>

Kory Wheatley [wheakory at isu.edu] wrote:
> Here is my question. I am going to install mailman on a Compaq 450MHZ
> 64mb   13gb hard drive with the platform being Red Hat Linux 6.0. I will
> be subscribing over a hundred and fifty  mailing lists in mailman, two
> lists will have at least 7,000 people subscribed in them and these lists
> are only used once a week. With all of the lists how big of a impact
> will this be on the system performance?  Will the server experience
> utilization problems? If there will be a problem would you give me some
> suggestions?

You've got plenty of CPU for mailman, I suspect... you're going to more
likely find your problems in the mail subsystem.  I would STRONGLY recommend
dumping Sendmail as fast as possible.  I use 'postfix' (http://www.postfix.org)
mostly because of its Author (who also wrote tcp_wrappers and SATAN),
and it is blindingly fast.  I have 4 mailing lists that are 1K+ people
and I've never seen it generate even the slightest load on the machine.

You should also look at disk I/O as a throttle point... a single
drive is going to only be able to handle a certain number of IO transactions
in a period of time, and archiving especially can kill that.  You might
want a seperate drive for your spool.

Chris
-- 
| Christopher Petrilli
| petrilli at amber.org



From lars at larsshack.org  Sat Sep 18 22:37:15 1999
From: lars at larsshack.org (Lars Kellogg-Stedman)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:37:15 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman having trouble figuring out urls?
Message-ID: <E11SRES-0005Tk-00@mx.larsshack.org>

Howdy all,

I'm looking at mailman to help solve the godawful tangle of mailing lists
in our department.  I've run into a problem with the 'listinfo' script:
in the list of advertised mailing lists, the URLs for the list-specific
pages have too many 'listinfo's in them.

That is, when accessing listinfo like this:

  http://mailhost/mailman-bin/listinfo/

I get a list of mailing lists, each one with a url that looks like this:

  http://mailhost/mailman-bin/listinfo/listinfo/listname

Of course, this just asks listinfo to look for a list named 'listinfo',
which doesn't get us anywhere.

I don't have much experience with python programming, so I'm not sure
exactly what's causing the problem.  If anyone has encountered (and
solved :) this problem before, please let me know!

Thanks,

  -- Lars

-- 
Lars Kellogg-Stedman <lars at larsshack.org>




From listwrangler at iximd.com  Sun Sep 19 17:23:25 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hurricane Floyd
Message-ID: <l03110701b40aafce573c@[151.196.99.171]>

Well, I'm high and dry after Hurricane Floyd, I personally suffered little
damage. However, my local ISP was flooded and then caught fire, and so is
completely rebuilding their system. Service is badly disrupted. I presume
therefore that the following error message will resolve itself as they
repair and rebuild. However, I'm curious to know what it means anyhow.

Could somebody parse this table for me?

Thanks.

Listwrangler



>Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 15:34:14 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON at erols.com>
>To: <namedeleted at erols.com>
>To: postmaster at erols.com
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Subject: Returned mail: rewrite: map mailertable not found
>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
>
>The original message was received at Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
>from 207-172-175-228.s37.as6.rkv.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.175.228]
>
>   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
><truespirit at office.iximd.com>
>
>   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>554 rewrite: map domaintable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map domaintable not found
>554 rewrite: map domaintable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map domaintable not found
><truespirit at office.iximd.com>... Deferred: Name server: office.iximd.com:
>host name lookup failure
>554 rewrite: map domaintable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map domaintable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>554 rewrite: map mailertable not found
>
>Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp1.erols.com
>Arrival-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Final-Recipient: RFC822; truespirit at office.iximd.com


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From listwrangler at iximd.com  Sun Sep 19 17:45:36 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] error decoding cookies
Message-ID: <l03110706b40ab526989e@[151.196.99.147]>

My assistant list administrator has been unable to access the admin pages
for our email list. He gets the following error message:

>'Error decoding authorisation cookie'

This is a non-technical person, he doesn't even know what a cookie is. I'm
assuming that he has his browser set to reject cookies. I have instructed
him to set his browser to accept cookies.

However, shouldn't it just ask him to re-enter his password? He is unable
to get in at all.

Thanks for any help.

Listwrangler


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From listwrangler at iximd.com  Sun Sep 19 21:09:37 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:09:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Idea
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990916091135.3313D-100000@inconnu.isu.edu>
References: <37E0A5D0.502BD21C@euronetics.se>
Message-ID: <l03110705b40ad0dad3b0@[151.196.99.147]>

>  [radio]     Look for and open multipart-MIME messages
>  [input]kb   Do not archive attachments greater than this size
>              Do not archive attachments with the following mime-types:
>  [text box containing wildcard stuff like application-*]
>
>And heck, it may as well be generalized so that you could perform these
>actions on the main list as well (ie, don't send any application-msword
>attachments ever)  :)
>
>  -Craig


Yes, please! I forbid attachments to my lists because I'm sick of dealing
with unopenable attachments, plus I always advise my users to never open an
attachment they didn't request because it could contain a virus. And a lot
of users are very rude or ignorant about sending giant attachments (we
don't all have cable modems), or send garbled attachments that nobody can
make any sense out of. And who do they ask for help? Me, of course. I have
to periodically go through my inboxes and clear out all the unsolicited
attachments that I have no intention of ever reading.

As far as I'm concerned, attachments are spam.

Listwrangler


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From listwrangler at iximd.com  Sun Sep 19 21:10:36 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] subscribe via mail
In-Reply-To: <37DFA287.5AA4DFB2@gibralter.net>
Message-ID: <l03110708b40adbd26730@[151.196.99.108]>

>2)  I noticed in the TODO list there's a need for people to contribute
>to the documentation project.  I'm interested in this, although I am
>waiting for some things to stabilize here (I'm moving next week).  My
>question is who is the point of contact/coordinator of this project, and
>if there isn't one, who can I get the information on what needs to be
>done at this point?
>
>
>Thanks for the great mailing list manager, guys.  2 days into it,
>I LOVE it.
>
>Hal
>
>Hal Flynn
>Senior Systems Administrator
>Gibralter Data Services
>hflynn at gibralter.net
>910-455-6446 Ext 3034


I've volunteered on this project too but I can't figure out who's in charge
either. At least one other person has taken a stab at documentation. Could
somebody please tell us who is in charge of documentation?  Barry, I think
it was, did respond saying that it would be nice to have help on
documentation.

Documentation would help resolve some of my problems with Mailman.

Gary Bowen
Listwrangler



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From listwrangler at iximd.com  Sun Sep 19 21:17:00 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:17:00 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users to change their address themselves
Message-ID: <l0311070db40ae6ff0773@[151.196.99.108]>

>I maintain a Mailman mailing list where people sometimes change
>addresses.. Would it be a good idea to include Mailman change
>address possibility to users itself where users would be able
>to change their own address him/herself on www-page
>user__at__host.somewhere ? It would reduce admin work.
>
>Regards, Ilpo Kantonen
>



This would be real handy. However, it would need to require the confirm
option so that the new address verifies it really wishes to be subscribed.
Otherwise, you could subscribe yourself, then just change your addy to
whatever person you want to get the junk mail.

However, this is no worse than how things are already. Mailman can already
be used to subscribe an unwilling user. Just type in that user's email
address, set the password, and let it go. If the address looks plausible,
the list administrator will approve it.  Eg, I'll subscribe
joeuser at yahoo.com but I won't subscribe president at whitehouse.gov .

If you have set Mailman to send a subscription announcement, then the
unwilling subscriber gets a message that tells them they've been subscribed
and what to do if they want to be unsubscribed, which tends to discourage
pranks. However, a high volume list could clog somebody's email box if they
don't log on and don't get the 'you have subscribed' email for a couple of
days.

Screening out mischief is an ongoing task.

Listwrangler



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From listwrangler at iximd.com  Sun Sep 19 21:38:12 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:38:12 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] oh, arg, further password problems
Message-ID: <l0311070eb40ae9779bf0@[151.196.99.108]>

Well, I think I'm finally caught up on email related to Mailman after
Hurricane Floyd.

I tried subscribing myself to one of our lists, and got subscribed. Then
when it sent me the monthly password reminder, the password bore no
resemblence to what I had inputted.

Considering that some other users have had trouble with password errors
when they try to access their accounts, I'm wondering if they have the same
problem. Unfortunately, I don't have the users' passwords to see exactly
what is happening with them. Is there some way for me, the list
administrator, to get a user's password sent to me?

I had suspected that mixed case passwords were a problem, so when I
subscribed myself I entered a password that was all lower case letters. But
the password sent to me as part of my monthly reminder was mixed upper and
lower case letters.

My ISP insists that they have installed the latest version of Mailman. I
can't believe how many hours I've been spending for the last several weeks
trying to administer and debug these lists.

Listwrangler


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From lwl at sorcery.black-knight.org  Sun Sep 19 22:07:27 1999
From: lwl at sorcery.black-knight.org (Lydia Leong)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:07:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] 554 / unknown mailer 2 error
Message-ID: <19990919200727.79000.qmail@sorcery.black-knight.org>

I have the following problem:

I recently converted over 100+ mailing lists from listproc.

I have a list, let's call it 'foobar-wiz', that's got the following
/etc/aliases entry: 

foobar-wiz: "|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar-wiz"

If you send email to it, it works fine (as do all the other lists
on the server).

If you put in an alias like this, into /etc/aliases:

foobar-test: foobar-wiz at godlike.com

email to foobar-test at godlike.com gets sent to foobar-wiz just fine.

However, if, instead of directly aliasing, /etc/alaises :include:'s a
file which has that same alias, the message bounces back to
foobar-wiz-admin with the following:

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar-wiz"
(expanded from: foobar-wiz at godlike.com)

----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/local/mailman/mail/wrapper post foobar-wiz"... unknown mailer error 2

That file that is :include:'d normally is owned by user foobar, group
users; the file is not setuid. chgrp'ing the file to group mailman
does not fix the problem.

This is sendmail 8.9.3, mailman 1.0 and python 1.5.2.  I'm sure this
is a permissions problem somewhere, but I'm not sure where; mailman
never sees the message at all, since it's bounced at the sendmail layer.
There is no error message from sendmail in the system log (though I am
not doing extensive sendmail logging).

Anyone have any idea what's wrong?


	-- Lydia



From root at theporch.com  Mon Sep 20 00:09:23 1999
From: root at theporch.com (Phillip Porch)
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:09:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Idea
In-Reply-To: <l03110705b40ad0dad3b0@[151.196.99.147]>
Message-ID: <Pine.SC5.4.10.9909191646360.12802-100000@sco.theporch.com>

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Listwrangler wrote:

> >And heck, it may as well be generalized so that you could perform these
> >actions on the main list as well (ie, don't send any application-msword
> >attachments ever)  :)
> >
> >  -Craig
> 
> 
> Yes, please! I forbid attachments to my lists because I'm sick of dealing
> with unopenable attachments, plus I always advise my users to never open an
> attachment they didn't request because it could contain a virus. And a lot
> of users are very rude or ignorant about sending giant attachments (we
> don't all have cable modems), or send garbled attachments that nobody can
> make any sense out of. And who do they ask for help? Me, of course. I have
> to periodically go through my inboxes and clear out all the unsolicited
> attachments that I have no intention of ever reading.
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, attachments are spam.
> 
One of the users on my system that helps me with mailing lists took I very
poorly written perl script that I wrote initially in response to the
happy99.exe crud and rewrote it in a much more elegant way. I then
challanged him to rewrite it in python and he again did so easily. These
scripts are designed to be called in a filter pipe. I have been using it
with sendmail... For example, if there was a list called test, my alias
would look like this:

test: "|/usr/local/bin/filter.py |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"

The scripts were originally written for listproc but should work fine for
mailman. I'm still in the process of moving lists over.

Anyway, instead of posting attachments, I have made these scripts
available via ftp. These scripts may be used under the GNU General Public
License.

ftp://ftp.theporch.com/pub/misc/filter.pl.tar.gz (the perl version)
ftp://ftp.theporch.com/pub/misc/filter.py.tar.gz (the python version)

Enjoy and let me know if you notice problems. There is a pretty good help
file with the perl version that explains the program logic. Please make
sure you read the code to see if you want to limit postings based on
length also. Listproc doesn't so this well, it ignores the attachemnts. 



-- 
Phillip P. Porch <root at sco.theporch.com>  NIC:PP1573     finger for 
http://www.theporch.com  UTM - 16 514548E 3994397N          PGP key




From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Mon Sep 20 07:22:35 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:22:35 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search
Message-ID: <19990920152235.A14392@tertius.net.au>

Somebody posted patches a while back to add a search facility
to the archives - is there any intention to fold this back
into the distribution?

And could somebody bounce it to me - I'm having trouble finding
it because the mailman list archives don't  have a search
facility.  There's irony here :)


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: Sometimes when I consider what tremendous consequences come from
: little things ... I am tempted to think there are no little
: things.  -- Bruce Barton



From murphy at niggle.com  Mon Sep 20 13:19:53 1999
From: murphy at niggle.com (Paul Murphy)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:19:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME
Message-ID: <14310.6233.386879.280488@localhost.localdomain>

How do people handle MIME mail sent to mailman lists?  

I thought of writing a filter to turn incoming MIME messages into ASCII, 
but our users are now sending attachments and find that ability very
useful, so that is no longer an option.

I now think that MIME needs to be handled specially at the archiving
level -- since MIME mail is illegible in an archive.  Looking through
the project's TODO list, I don't see any plans for this.  Perhaps
there's an obvious (or not so obvious) way of handling this now.  

Has anyone else dealt w/ this problem?  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

Many thanks.

- Paul Murphy / murphy at niggle.com




From digulla at hepe.com  Mon Sep 20 13:52:10 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:52:10 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
Message-ID: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>

I have a closed list but for some *subscribed* users, all posts
must be approved by me (error Only subscribed users may post to
the list). (See Bug 126 in the jitterbug DB). Can you please have
a look ASAP because many valid users get these mails back ?

This seems to be related to having several aliases for
a machine.

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From digulla at hepe.com  Mon Sep 20 13:53:51 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:53:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change URL base for cookies
Message-ID: <19990920135351.M7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>

How do I change the URL which is beeing used to generate the
cookies for a single list ? I want to administer the list
related to the project. For every project, I have a virtual
web server. This works fine for the archive but not for the
admin pages. I don't know if it works for the normal users
of a list.

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From digulla at hepe.com  Mon Sep 20 13:59:21 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:59:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Missing documentation for "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"
Message-ID: <19990920135921.O7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>

What is the difference between "Must posts be approved by an administrator?"
and "Restrict posting privilege to list members?" ? Does the former mean
"Must *all* posts be approved..." ? If so, please change it and add a
help-link to it :-)

Also, the "Detail* links should better be named "Help" :-)

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From leo at dicea.unifi.it  Mon Sep 20 16:00:38 1999
From: leo at dicea.unifi.it (Leonardo Boselli)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:00:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Users]group or all ?
In-Reply-To: <19990920135921.O7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <E11T3xp-0005rr-00@dipolo.dicea.unifi.it>

On 20 Sep 99, at 13:59, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:

> What is the difference between "Must posts be approved by an
> administrator?" and "Restrict posting privilege to list members?" ?
> Does the former mean "Must *all* posts be approved..." ? If so, please
> change it and add a help-link to it :-)
yes, in the last case members can post directly, while the others 
must be approved by an administrator, in the first one all post must 
be approved.
Anyway i repeat the question i posed a few days ago, still 
unanswered:

there is a way to add a serial number to posts in a list ?
Leonardo Boselli (NIT)
Dipartimento Ingegneria Civile
Universita` di Firenze
Via Santa Marta 3
I-50139 Firenze
+39()055-4796-431



From MJ.McCool at ulst.ac.uk  Mon Sep 20 16:22:16 1999
From: MJ.McCool at ulst.ac.uk (MJ.McCool at ulst.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:22:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error Decoding Authorization Cookie  ????
Message-ID: <37E64314.C01B87A9@incore.ulst.ac.uk>

Hi,
Mailman is installed and running but I keep getting "Error Decoding
Authorization Cookie" whenever I try to carry out any Admin tasks on a
list. Checked the archive but can't seem to get a solution, check the
time etc....all seem to be in sync. Any suggestions appreciatted.

Regards
Mike McCool




From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Mon Sep 20 17:22:43 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] install/setup conundrum
In-Reply-To: <199909171554.KAA07485@gsbrgo.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909201116020.17298-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 berto at gsbrgo.uchicago.edu wrote:

> Folks:
> 
> After thinking paranoid thoughts, I decided to reinstall Mailman following
> the advice not to do the configure and make install steps as root.

I also did the installation initially as root and had everything running
fine.  I later decided I didn't want anything under /home/mailman owned by
root so I did:

cd /home/mailman
find . -user root | xargs chown someuser

where someuser is some non-privileged user that is not root or mailman and
is not in group mailman.

The only files that *may* have to remain root-owned are the sendmail
aliases.dir and aliases.pag files, but this depends on your sendmail
installation and it only applies if you keep the mailman aliases file in
the mailman home directory.

I have followed this same procedure for two mailman installations without
any problems, so you should be able to do the same if you restore your
initial root installation.

--
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Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
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From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Mon Sep 20 17:32:06 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909171108450.20527-100000@avatar.its.to>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909201123130.17298-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Darren Boyd wrote:

> It also presents an entire new set of security concerns.  With sendmail,
> updating the aliases file is not enough, you also *as root* have to run
> 'newaliases'.  Mailman's great as it doesn't run as root (or doesn't have
> to, anyway).  That is a great option.

not true!

newaliases does not have to be run as root.  typically, newaliases is a
link to sendmail and sendmail is suid-root.  however, sendmail
(newaliases) does check the ownership and permissions of the source 
aliases file and the aliases.dir and aliases.pag files.  i have found the
following combination to work and then the mailman user can update the
sendmail aliases with newaliases.  this is sendmail-8.9.3 i think.

root(104)ls -lgd ~mailman/. ~mailman/aliases*
drwxr-sr-x  18 mailman  mailman       512 Sep 11 11:10 /usr/local/mailman/./
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman     10835 Sep 18 22:55 /usr/local/mailman/aliases
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman      4096 Sep 18 22:55 /usr/local/mailman/aliases.dir
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman     16384 Sep 18 22:55 /usr/local/mailman/aliases.pag

--
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Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
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From digulla at hepe.com  Mon Sep 20 17:43:17 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:43:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
In-Reply-To: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>; from Aaron Optimizer Digulla on Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 01:52:10PM +0200
References: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 01:52:10PM +0200, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:

> I have a closed list but for some *subscribed* users, all posts
> must be approved by me (error Only subscribed users may post to
> the list). (See Bug 126 in the jitterbug DB). Can you please have
> a look ASAP because many valid users get these mails back ?
> 
> This seems to be related to having several aliases for
> a machine.

:-/ It gets more and more strange... when I set "Restrict posting privilege
to list members?" and "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO,
then every post is held for approval !?!?!

Is there any better version than 1.0 ?

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Mon Sep 20 18:19:23 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archive search
In-Reply-To: <19990920152235.A14392@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909201217440.17298-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Bek Oberin wrote:

> Somebody posted patches a while back to add a search facility
> to the archives - is there any intention to fold this back
> into the distribution?
> 
> And could somebody bounce it to me - I'm having trouble finding
> it because the mailman list archives don't  have a search
> facility.  There's irony here :)

yes, they do, it's just not obvious where to find the search function.
rather than follow the

   check out the Mailman Users mailing list archive to see if your

link, go to one of the mailing list links and follow the link to the
searchable archives at Python.Org.

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
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From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Mon Sep 20 18:26:18 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:26:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users to change their address themselves
In-Reply-To: <l0311070db40ae6ff0773@[151.196.99.108]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909201205140.17298-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Listwrangler wrote:

> This would be real handy. However, it would need to require the confirm
> option so that the new address verifies it really wishes to be subscribed.
> Otherwise, you could subscribe yourself, then just change your addy to
> whatever person you want to get the junk mail.

why not just have a "change address" option that takes an old address, a
new address (and optionally a new password) and then does an unsubscribe
and a subscribe?  do not wait for the unsubscribe to succeed before 
doing the new subscribe.  whether or not confirmation happens will depend
on the existing subscription confirmation setting for the list.

for that matter, what advantage does a "change address" function have over
simply unsubscribing and re-subscribing?

the only problem i can see is that if the old address is 'dead' then the
unsubscribe can not be confirmed.  so be it.  leave it alone and it
becomes like any other 'dead' address in a list.  what does mailman
normally do with addresses that are consistenly undeliverable?

> However, this is no worse than how things are already. Mailman can already
> be used to subscribe an unwilling user. Just type in that user's email
> address, set the password, and let it go. If the address looks plausible,
> the list administrator will approve it.  Eg, I'll subscribe
> joeuser at yahoo.com but I won't subscribe president at whitehouse.gov .

this is exactly why subscription confirmation is used.  this should only
be possible if you have disabled confirmation.

> If you have set Mailman to send a subscription announcement, then the
> unwilling subscriber gets a message that tells them they've been subscribed
> and what to do if they want to be unsubscribed, which tends to discourage
> pranks. However, a high volume list could clog somebody's email box if they
> don't log on and don't get the 'you have subscribed' email for a couple of
> days.

the unwilling user should also get a subscription confirmation request and
the subscription will not take place until they confirm.

--
Todd Pfaff                         \  Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca
Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
ABB 132                              \  FAX: (905) 528-3773
McMaster University                   \
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From tomas at euronetics.se  Mon Sep 20 20:47:01 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:47:01 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users to change their address themselves
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909201205140.17298-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <37E68125.5573A613@euronetics.se>

Todd Pfaff wrote:

> for that matter, what advantage does a "change address" function have over
> simply unsubscribing and re-subscribing?

You don't want to redo your personal settings, maybe?
<tomas/>





From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Mon Sep 20 21:03:43 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users to change their address themselves
In-Reply-To: <37E68125.5573A613@euronetics.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909201503130.17298-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Tomas Fasth wrote:

> Todd Pfaff wrote:
> 
> > for that matter, what advantage does a "change address" function have over
> > simply unsubscribing and re-subscribing?
> 
> You don't want to redo your personal settings, maybe?
> <tomas/>

ahh, good point! :-)

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From Len.Lattanzi at migration.com  Mon Sep 20 21:13:07 1999
From: Len.Lattanzi at migration.com (Len Lattanzi)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:13:07 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Capitalization of host name and URL
Message-ID: <19990920121307.A27651@mss.migration.com>

It looks like if I use 'Example.org' for host_name
and 'http://www.Example.org/mailman/' for web_page_url
then 
'http://www.example.org/mail/listinfo' will not find the list. This is a bug,
right?



From eparker at mindsec.com  Tue Sep 21 05:22:22 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:22:22 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hypermail to Pipermail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909202118340.21157-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

Hello list, just subscribed..

I looked through the (what seem to be) unsearchable archives at
python.org, and couldn't really find anything. I also downloaded
every gzip and grep'd for an answer, couldn't find anything that way
either.

Is there a faq file, or an email you could give me to reference on exactly
how to take all of my hypermail archives (a couple years worth) and
convert them over to pipermail?

We run a very large list, doing about 2000 posts a day, to 700
subscribers, for the Pentax camera discussion list. We are switching
from Majordomo to mailman, for it to be easier for them to use from
a user standpoint, as well as being able to let our helpdesk people
administrate the list. We have it running on a dual piii-550, with
512 megs of ram.. In my load testing Mailman has done great, except it
buckles when it gets 50 2 meg messages all within in a couple of minutes,
and has to resend that to 100 users. It is python using up all of the
resources, I think it might be from writing the archive, and not actually
from sending out the emails. I am unsure.

Thank you in advance.


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From stumpf at rancon.de  Tue Sep 21 11:49:41 1999
From: stumpf at rancon.de (Wolfram Stumpf)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:49:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error while executing newlist.
Message-ID: <37E754B5.C8779844@rancon.de>

Hi everybody!

After succesfully installing mailman 1.0, I tried to create a test-list
with newlist. But instead of creating the list, newlist exits with the
following error message:

 Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./newlist", line 146, in ?
    raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv))
  File "./newlist", line 93, in main
    newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 724, in Create
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1379, in Lock
    self._lock_file.lock('w|', 1)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 190, in lock
    flock = fcntl.fcntl(self._file_.fileno(), cmd, flock)
IOError: (37, 'No locks available')
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
After browsing through the mailing-list archive, I thought the existing
patch would work, but it doesn?t. I even tried inserting 'linux2' into
posixfile.py, but with no result. I?m working with SuSE 6.1 with Python
1.5.1 and mailman 1.0. 

Thanks for help!

	Wolfram Stumpf
	stumpf at rancon.de



From jread at fever.semiotek.com  Tue Sep 21 19:45:53 1999
From: jread at fever.semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:45:53 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman still wedges on FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <14306.38851.178107.611926@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
References: <19990917152138.A17492@fever.semiotek.com> <14306.38851.178107.611926@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
Message-ID: <19990921134553.A17288@fever.semiotek.com>

I've upgraded to the most recent snapshot, and it's a big improvement: 
the wedged processes no longer cause a deadlock. They still get wedged,
and eat up my memory, but now the webpage continues to function, and 
mail gets through. 

This is much better, but I would like to have no wedged processes. 

They wedge in "select" state, along with a zombie, which is the
same as before. The difference now is that there are not an additional
10-15 processes wedged in "lockf" state--so it looks like at least
these wedged processes aren't holding onto the lock now. 

There's nothing in the log indicating anything unusual at that time. 

Here is what I see in my process table during a typical wedge:

  fever:~$ ps -auxwww | grep python
  daemon 16440 31.8  0.0     0    0  ??  Z    -         0:00.00  (python)
  daemon 17202 29.8  0.0     0    0  ??  Z    -         0:00.00  (python)
  daemon 16439  0.0  1.0  2952 1228  ??  I    11:48AM   0:00.31 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post webmacro
  daemon 17201  0.0  1.0  2956 1232  ??  I     1:21PM   0:00.31 /usr/local/bin/python /local/mailman/scripts/post webmacro
 
There's also two zombies present, in addition to the wedged processes.

Here's the files the younger wedged process has open:

  bash-2.03# lsof -p 16439
  COMMAND   PID   USER   FD   TYPE     DEVICE SIZE/OFF   NODE NAME
  python  16439 daemon  cwd   VDIR   0,131072      512      2 /
  python  16439 daemon  rtd   VDIR   0,131072      512      2 /
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077   426448 255570 /usr/local/bin/python1.5
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077    63652 182570 /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077   151057 277905 /usr/lib/libreadline.so.3
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077    15084 277800 /usr/lib/libtermcap.so.2
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077   115780 277779 /usr/lib/libm.so.2
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077    12965 278069 /usr/lib/libdescrypt.so.2
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077   583043 277814 /usr/lib/libc_r.so.3
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077    13176 104686 /usr/local/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/cStringIO.so
  python  16439 daemon  txt   VREG   0,131077    49516 104687 /usr/local/lib/python1.5/lib-dynload/cPickle.so
  python  16439 daemon    0u  PIPE 0xc720d540    16384        
  python  16439 daemon    1w  VREG   0,131076        0 158753 /var (/dev/wd0s1e)
  python  16439 daemon    2w  VREG   0,131076        0 158753 /var (/dev/wd0s1e)
  python  16439 daemon    3u  PIPE 0xc720dea0    16384        ->0xc720ee40
  python  16439 daemon    4u  PIPE 0xc720ee40    16384        ->0xc720dea0
  python  16439 daemon    5r  VREG   0,131079     3775 317843 /local/mailman/scripts/post
  python  16439 daemon    6u  VREG   0,131079    43749  24292 /local/mailman/logs/error
  python  16439 daemon    7u  VREG   0,131079    10390  24298 /local/mailman/logs/post
  bash-2.03# 


I would guess what's happened here is the process is deadlocked 
waiting waiting for the zombie (16440) on its pipe.

The events that took place are this:
 
After processing several messages to the list successfully, some
post at 11:48 wedged, apparently after delivering mail to part
(possibly all) of the subscribers. The next post to the list came
through at 1:21PM and also wedged, again after delivering mail to
part of the subscriber list.

I think that if I do nothing, all subsequent posts to the list will
leave a wedged process, after apparently working. If I wipe out the
wedged processes, subsequent posts will work without leaving anything
behind.. for awhile, then it will happen again.

What can I do to investigate this and find out what is going on?
I'm assuming that no-one can tell what's happening just based on 
this, or I would have got an answer last time. 

I'm running FreeBSD 3.2 with Python 1.54, with mailman CVS updated
from the archive and reinstalled last night.

Justin



On Fri, Sep 17, 1999 at 03:34:27PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "JW" == Justin Wells <jread at fever.semiotek.com> writes:
> 
>     JW> Sorry to be so persistent about this, but every 2nd day I've
>     JW> had to unwedge mailman, and I still haven't go an answer from
>     JW> this list.
> 
>     JW> platform: FreeBSD 3.2, Python 1.5.2, mailman 1.0
> 
>     JW> This sounds a lot like the locking problem described in
>     JW> README.BSD, however my version of python is up to date.
> 
> Try upgrading to the current CVS snapshot of Mailman.  It uses a more
> portable (and consistent) locking mechanism.
> 
> -Barry
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Tue Sep 21 20:44:26 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:44:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME
In-Reply-To: <14310.6233.386879.280488@localhost.localdomain> from "Paul Murphy" at Sep 20, 99 07:19:53 am
Message-ID: <199909211844.NAA16310@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From nick at zork.net  Tue Sep 21 23:26:45 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:26:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Idea
In-Reply-To: <l03110705b40ad0dad3b0@[151.196.99.147]>; from Listwrangler on Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 02:09:37PM -0500
References: <37E0A5D0.502BD21C@euronetics.se> <Pine.LNX.3.96.990916091135.3313D-100000@inconnu.isu.edu> <l03110705b40ad0dad3b0@[151.196.99.147]>
Message-ID: <19990921142645.B31171@zork.net>

Quoting Listwrangler:
> >And heck, it may as well be generalized so that you could perform
> >these actions on the main list as well (ie, don't send any
> >application-msword attachments ever)  :)
> Yes, please! I forbid attachments to my lists because I'm sick of

        I'd like to see a list feature that rejects mail containing
too much in the way of quoted text and not enough original content.
Perhaps a ratio of the two, with reasonable minima (for example, up to
ten lines of quoted text may be included without worrying about the
ratio).

-- 
((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))
(quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))))
	-- A LISP quine written by Seth David Schoen
+++ath



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Wed Sep 22 05:28:27 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:28:27 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig
Message-ID: <19990922132827.E224@tertius.net.au>

How can I set up a search engine like htdig that uses the regular
mailman (email+password) security?

If I point it at http://hostname/pipermail/listname/ it's going to only
index the enter-your-information pages and not the content, correct?
How can I get around this?  And how can I -then- require actual users to
enter their email+password to access the info?


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: It may be irrational of me, but human beings are quite my
: favorite species.  -- The Doctor, 'Doctor Who'



From tomas at euronetics.se  Wed Sep 22 10:44:47 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:44:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive Idea
References: <37E0A5D0.502BD21C@euronetics.se> <Pine.LNX.3.96.990916091135.3313D-100000@inconnu.isu.edu> <l03110705b40ad0dad3b0@[151.196.99.147]> <19990921142645.B31171@zork.net>
Message-ID: <37E896FF.8B7C375@euronetics.se>

Nick Moffitt wrote:

> Quoting Listwrangler:
> > >And heck, it may as well be generalized so that you could perform
> > >these actions on the main list as well (ie, don't send any
> > >application-msword attachments ever)  :)
> > Yes, please! I forbid attachments to my lists because I'm sick of
>
>         I'd like to see a list feature that rejects mail containing
> too much in the way of quoted text and not enough original content.
> Perhaps a ratio of the two, with reasonable minima (for example, up to
> ten lines of quoted text may be included without worrying about the
> ratio).

Better still, why not introduce a generic mechanism for applying site
policy. That would keep the distribution clean while satisfying your needs
(by adding your policy yourself).

<tomas/>





From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Wed Sep 22 12:51:52 1999
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:51:52 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig
In-Reply-To: <19990922132827.E224@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.990922125101.20534C-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Bek Oberin wrote:

> How can I set up a search engine like htdig that uses the regular
> mailman (email+password) security?
> 
> If I point it at http://hostname/pipermail/listname/ it's going to only
> index the enter-your-information pages and not the content, correct?
> How can I get around this?  And how can I -then- require actual users to
> enter their email+password to access the info?

use the local_urls option of htdig

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From digulla at hepe.com  Wed Sep 22 15:39:03 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:39:03 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
In-Reply-To: <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>; from Aaron Optimizer Digulla on Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 05:43:17PM +0200
References: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <19990922153903.J12634@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 05:43:17PM +0200, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:

> > I have a closed list but for some *subscribed* users, all posts
> > must be approved by me (error Only subscribed users may post to
> > the list). (See Bug 126 in the jitterbug DB). Can you please have
> > a look ASAP because many valid users get these mails back ?
> > 
> > This seems to be related to having several aliases for
> > a machine.
> 
> :-/ It gets more and more strange... when I set "Restrict posting privilege
> to list members?" and "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO,
> then every post is held for approval !?!?!

Ok, finally. After reading the mail archive and the FAQs (why is the
FAQ in the package different from the FAQ on the WWW pages ???), I
found why many posts are held for approval: Mailman doesn't use the
>From or From: header lines but Sender: and Sender: is usually wrong.
How do I have to change mailman that Sender: is ignored and
"From " is used instead ?

Here is a header for which mailman fails:


From adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com  Wed Sep 22 14:48:00 1999
From: adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com (Adam Chodorowski)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:48:00 +0200
Subject: [AROS-Dev] CVS down?
References: <37E7F695.2042597F@bigfoot.com> <19990922142409.G12634@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <37E8D000.D516137D@bigfoot.com>

When this message is sent to the list, I get a mail that this is
held for approval because "adam" is not subscribed. Adding "adam" to
the list of addresses which can always post doesn't work.

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From blurr at txraves.org  Wed Sep 22 16:11:04 1999
From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:11:04 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
References: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990922153903.J12634@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <00d301bf0504$9cb8ad60$9a1968d8@JORDAN>

yep.. i have actually ran into this same problem.  but for some strange reason, i had a user
send email from another linux box, cent at uix.com, and when it came
through my server, the Sender field was changed to cent at crackpipe.txraves.org which
#1 is not a valid email account and #2 is not sub'd to the list and hence rejected.  he sent
another test email from his machine to an imail server running on NT 4.0.  when i pop'd
that the Sender field was just 'cent' so i'm not sure if its mailman or something else on my
system that is modifying the Sender field... *shrug*

at any rate it looks as if Sender isn't such a good field to be using.

------
jordan phillips
blurr at txraves.org
http://www.txraves.org/~blurr

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Optimizer Digulla <digulla at hepe.com>
To: <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users


> On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 05:43:17PM +0200, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:
>
> > > I have a closed list but for some *subscribed* users, all posts
> > > must be approved by me (error Only subscribed users may post to
> > > the list). (See Bug 126 in the jitterbug DB). Can you please have
> > > a look ASAP because many valid users get these mails back ?
> > >
> > > This seems to be related to having several aliases for
> > > a machine.
> >
> > :-/ It gets more and more strange... when I set "Restrict posting privilege
> > to list members?" and "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to NO,
> > then every post is held for approval !?!?!
>
> Ok, finally. After reading the mail archive and the FAQs (why is the
> FAQ in the package different from the FAQ on the WWW pages ???), I
> found why many posts are held for approval: Mailman doesn't use the
> >From or From: header lines but Sender: and Sender: is usually wrong.
> How do I have to change mailman that Sender: is ignored and
> "From " is used instead ?
>
> Here is a header for which mailman fails:
>
> >From adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com Wed Sep 22 14:39:50 1999
> Received: from mailbox.sbbs2.net ([212.112.0.4] helo=mailbox.2.sbbs.se)
>         by sebigbos.hepe.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian))
>         id 11TlgR-0005Zf-00
>         for <aros-dev at sebigbos.hepe.com>; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:39:50 +0200
> Received: from bigfoot.com (z16-4-199.sbbs2.net [212.112.4.199]) by mailbox.2.sbbs.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet
Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0)
>         id SQJ0MZVB; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:43:19 +0200
> Sender: adam
> Message-ID: <37E8D000.D516137D at bigfoot.com>
> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:48:00 +0200
> From: Adam Chodorowski <adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com>
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9-19mdk i586)
> X-Accept-Language: sv, en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: aros-dev at sebigbos.hepe.com
> Subject: Re: [AROS-Dev] CVS down?
> References: <37E7F695.2042597F at bigfoot.com> <19990922142409.G12634 at sebigbos.hepe.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> When this message is sent to the list, I get a mail that this is
> held for approval because "adam" is not subscribed. Adding "adam" to
> the list of addresses which can always post doesn't work.
>
> --
> Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
> Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.        <http://www.aros.org/>
> "(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
> by buying a faster machine."    <digulla at hepe.com>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From digulla at hepe.com  Wed Sep 22 16:11:16 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:11:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to change URL base for cookies
In-Reply-To: <19990920135351.M7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>; from Aaron Optimizer Digulla on Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 01:53:51PM +0200
References: <19990920135351.M7943@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <19990922161116.C22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 01:53:51PM +0200, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:

> How do I change the URL which is beeing used to generate the
> cookies for a single list ? I want to administer the list
> related to the project. For every project, I have a virtual
> web server. This works fine for the archive but not for the
> admin pages. I don't know if it works for the normal users
> of a list.

Argl :-( Ok, here is the fix: When you run junkbuster (which
also filters cookies), remember to add all domains which can
set cookies. After that, the cookies should appear (e.g. in
~/.netscape/cookies).

I'd suggest this improvement: Mailman should not display the
admin pages if the cookie could not be set. As it is now,
admins will change values, click submit and find out that they
have to change all values again :-)

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From digulla at hepe.com  Wed Sep 22 16:17:25 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:17:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
In-Reply-To: <00d301bf0504$9cb8ad60$9a1968d8@JORDAN>; from blurr@txraves.org on Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 09:11:04AM -0500
References: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990922153903.J12634@sebigbos.hepe.com> <00d301bf0504$9cb8ad60$9a1968d8@JORDAN>
Message-ID: <19990922161725.D22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 09:11:04AM -0500, blurr at txraves.org wrote:

> yep.. i have actually ran into this same problem.  but for some strange reason, i had a user
> send email from another linux box, cent at uix.com, and when it came
> through my server, the Sender field was changed to cent at crackpipe.txraves.org which
> #1 is not a valid email account and #2 is not sub'd to the list and hence rejected.  he sent
> another test email from his machine to an imail server running on NT 4.0.  when i pop'd
> that the Sender field was just 'cent' so i'm not sure if its mailman or something else on my
> system that is modifying the Sender field... *shrug*
> 
> at any rate it looks as if Sender isn't such a good field to be using.

Especially when the documentation expicitly states that "From " is
used :-)

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From listadm at paradox.unh.edu  Wed Sep 22 17:44:27 1999
From: listadm at paradox.unh.edu (The List Server Administrator at UNH)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:44:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909221123120.4197-100000@paradox.unh.edu>

   Christopher Lindsey <lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu> posted (in part) a while
   back:

> I would really prefer a model where the user can create a list on
> their own ... I personally find it easier to create a new list on the
> commandline, but I'd rather punt the entire job (except for aliases) to
> the end user. Otherwise I end up sending questions back and forth,
> etc...

   J C Lawrence <claw at varesearch.com> followed-up (in part):

> How about the following approach:
>
>  There is a web interface.
>
>  It allows a list to be created and configured, but does not
> instantiate the aliases or anything else to actually make it "live".

> The nice thing about this approach is that it removes all the
> priviledged account problems, the "oh god someone hacked in and
> is running a warez list without me noticing" problem, and further,
> requires minimal changes to the current code (the admin interface
> would need to be touched to not publish lists "in edit").

    And Darren Boyd <dboyd at its.to> chimed in:

> I was thinking of something along these lines as well.
>  A web page could allow a user to create a list, which doesn't get
> created. When they hit 'submit' mailman generates a script (sh or python
> or whatever) in the .../mailman/newlists/ directory.  A mail is sent to
> the administrator who can then log into the box and run the script.  The
> script then sets up the list and mails the owner.

    This is, in effect, what we do here for setting up ListProc lists.
    See:

           http://listproc.unh.edu/New-lists

    Anyone is welcome to try this out -- I'll just ignore your
    requests. :-)

    Basically what this does is just create a data file with the
    user's input.  Unfortunately I don't currently do as much data
    validation as I would like, i.e. catching un-allowed listnames and
    such, but for the most part these forms seem to work well and in
    almost all cases has eliminated the question and answer cycle I
    use to go through in setting up a new list.  I also like that it
    has allowed us to have almost 100% compliance in requiring every
    list to have a list owner supplied info and welcome file that is
    specific for their list.  (We have over 500+ lists and I would not
    have time to otherwise nag delinquent list owners).

    For setting up the list, I have a Perl program that takes the
    admin through the submitted application information, allowing
    edits and corrections to be applied to the supplied data as
    needed.  Then it writes a Perl script that instantiates the list
    and aliases.  Currently I run the script as root, but only because
    of the alises.  I'm going to look into the comment that somebody
    made that you do not have to be root to re-build the aliases.

    In any case, I find the process of setting up a list pretty quick
    and painless now and will apply the same model when we start using
    MailMan.



                                           Cordially,
                                           The List Server Admin
                                           list.admin at unh.edu
                                           (currently Bill Costa)




From listwrangler at iximd.com  Wed Sep 22 19:19:52 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:19:52 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ack! security bug and question.
Message-ID: <l03110700b40eb7ea40a0@[151.196.99.237]>

While resetting my subscriptions to digest, I decided to experiment a bit.
I notice that you only have to enter an email address in order to get
access to the page of edit options -- no password needed.

Thus if you're wondering if a particular individual is subscribed to a
particular list, you can type in their name and get their edit page. Which
is confirmation that they are subscribed. For certain lists, that would be
a confidentiality issue. It is for several of my lists. I have set the
configuration to hide membership list...

But... I typed in the address of a person I know is subscribed, and poof! I
got their edit page -- without having to enter a password. So now if I know
an email addy I can confirm whether a person is a member of an email list
or not -- even if the administrator has hidden the membership list.

My question is this: if a user has clicked to hide his list membership, can
somebody who knows their email addy click into their subscription page and
see their info? My ISP flooded and burned and still hasn't fixed it so that
I can get into the admin pages, so I can't fiddle around testing it.

Since most users don't have this much subtlety when it comes to security,
wouldn't it be better to require the password *before* allowing people to
access their edit page?

Basically, if you know some one's email, and have an idea of their area of
interests, you can scope our their mailing list memberships.  Most people
don't care, but some do. I have members that do. They aren't
technologically skilled enough to have detected this gap in their privacy,
and I now have an ethical question: Tell them, and have them flip out? Or
decide that understanding the software is their obligation, not mine, and
it's not my responsibility to decide if their confidentiality needs have
been met?

So I really need to know exactly how this stuff works in order to make a
management decision.

I suppose some might think this is a trivial concern, but once in a while
we do get somebody with a personal vendetta trying to cause crap for us or
one of our users. In each case the malicious person was, in my humble
opinion, a fruitcake, but one of them was actually a technically competent
fruitcake. My organization operates in the field of mental health and civil
rights, so lunatics and bigots are an occupational hazard. Prevention is
the best disaster recovery plan of all.

Gary



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From listwrangler at iximd.com  Wed Sep 22 21:40:29 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:40:29 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Users to change their address themselves
In-Reply-To: 
 <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909201205140.17298-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>
References: <l0311070db40ae6ff0773@[151.196.99.108]>
Message-ID: <l03110705b40ed43de849@[151.196.99.237]>

>for that matter, what advantage does a "change address" function have over
>simply unsubscribing and re-subscribing?

Well for one thing, I'm the administrator, the fewer steps involved in
changing addresses the better. For the user, again, the smaller number of
steps, the better. With unsub then sub there is the  small possibility that
they could unsub but not manage to get resubbed as well.

It's not very effecient either. Right now, you have to go to the sub page,
then go to the edit page, then enter your info, get the acknowledgement,
then go back to the sub page, enter the new address, get the
acknowlegement. With download time for each page. Slow.

For a change of addresses, you could minimize the number of clicks (and
time spent downloading pages) if the edit page let you put in both the old
and new address, then enter your password. (Just like the change password
form.) You click it once, and get one confirmation. Half the time and work.

However, there would need to be an option in the config file 'allow user to
change address yes/no' which would then be selected as appropriate for the
needs of the list. If no, then it gets held for approval. If yes, then it
takes effect automatically. The administrator decides what level of
security is needed for his lists.

Speaking of efficiency: currently when I use the admin password to un/sub
somebody from a list, it gets sent to the pending queue for approval.
That's silly -- anything done with the list administrator's password should
take effect immediately and not require a special trip to the admin page. I
mean, I just approved it by doing it with the admin password. Why a
redundant step to click into the admin page with my password to click the
buttons all over again?

>the only problem i can see is that if the old address is 'dead' then the
>unsubscribe can not be confirmed.  so be it.  leave it alone and it
>becomes like any other 'dead' address in a list.  what does mailman
>normally do with addresses that are consistenly undeliverable?

Then bounce takes over. But -- lots of my users have multiple addresses,
and they don't want email at both of them. (Well, some do. But not
usually.) Therefore they want to switch from one live address to another.

The trick is to figure out how to minimize the steps so that it is both
simpler and more secure for the user (and admin).

>> However, this is no worse than how things are already. Mailman can already
>> be used to subscribe an unwilling user. Just type in that user's email
>> address, set the password, and let it go. If the address looks plausible,
>> the list administrator will approve it.  Eg, I'll subscribe
>> joeuser at yahoo.com but I won't subscribe president at whitehouse.gov .
>
>this is exactly why subscription confirmation is used.  this should only
>be possible if you have disabled confirmation.

Yes, I did disable confirmation because it doesn't meet our needs.  I've
haven't tested Mailman's confirmations so I don't know exactly what Mailman
does, but I can cite some problems with other confirmation systems:

1) The time limit. If I don't send the confirmation in the allotted window,
I don't get subscribed, and I have to go back and do it all over again. I
usually don't bother. Not everybody lives on email and might not check it
often enough. Most users don't realize there is a time limit.

2) The confirmation doesn't work. You do what it says, and it dumps you,
and you have to do it all over again. Again, people usually don't bother.

3) Press releases. CBS, ABC, A&E, various organizations, etc, are not going
to bother to respond to a confirm request. But I'm gonna send them press
releases anyhow. They all have addresses to be used to receive press
releases and related materials, that's the address I subscribe.

4) The subscribed address has been aliased, so that the responding address
does not match the subscribed address and is rejected. Or the listserve
doesn't recognize that 'user at yale.edu' is the same as 'user at comp.yale.edu'.
Or the address has been munged.

5) If they have to confirm to unsubscribe, they get annoyed. Users tend to
quit when irritated, and they just want the hell out. Having their
unsubscribe delayed pisses them off.

Again, I haven't reviewed Mailman's confirmation process, so some of these
concerns may not apply.

Also, and again, I have not dug into this, it should be possible to set
subscription and unsubscription requests to be handled differently. For
certain lists we carefully screen who gets on and make subscribing hard,
but we don't care if they quit and therefore want to make unsubscribing as
simple as possible. Right now the checkbox sets subscribe and unsubscribe
as the same thing.
>
>> If you have set Mailman to send a subscription announcement, then the
>> unwilling subscriber gets a message that tells them they've been subscribed
>> and what to do if they want to be unsubscribed, which tends to discourage
>> pranks. However, a high volume list could clog somebody's email box if they
>> don't log on and don't get the 'you have subscribed' email for a couple of
>> days.
>
>the unwilling user should also get a subscription confirmation request and
>the subscription will not take place until they confirm.

Doesn't meet our needs.

Which also brings me to another suggested featured: timed response from admin.

That is to say, if a pending admin request goes untended for X amount of
time, what happens to it? There should be the abilty to set some options
like, 'after three days, discard'. Or 'after 5 days, do' whatever the
request was for.

And an opportunity to set the reminder frequency. Currently you get one
reminder per day.  A week out of the office and you get seven reminder
messages, none of which tells you anything you didn't already know. If you
could set the frequency -- however many minutes, hours, days, you wanted to
be reminded that would be good. A low priority list could be set to send a
reminder once a week, a very active list could be set to send a reminder
every hour, as it suited the administrator.

And there is a need for an moderator. Normally the listadmin get all
messages. That's not usually necessary. But, if you could select a
moderator and an adminstrator, you could select, 'send administrivia to
moderator yes/no' and send 'administrivia to administrator yes/no' and
'send to administrivia to administrator if moderator does not respond in X
days'. That way you can hand off a list to a moderator, but if it buggers
up, the software let's you know you're needed. Like my moderator who went
out of town for three weeks and didn't tell me...

Gary



Listwrangler
listwrangler at iximd.com
List administrator and webmaster

*****************************
For help with subscribe/unsubscribe, troubleshooting, or more info about
The American Boyz email lists, please visit:
home.iximd.com/~amboyz/online.html, or request a copy of the Amboyz Elist
Help File to be emailed to you.

If you are familiar with Mailman, the following lists are implemented with
Mailman and use standard Mailman features: Amboyz-Main, Amboyz-Announce,
TrueSpirit, and ElderTG

*****************************
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From listwrangler at iximd.com  Wed Sep 22 21:48:31 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:48:31 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there a way to have the list password emailed to yourself?
Message-ID: <l03110708b40ee23b31dc@[151.196.99.237]>

Is there a way to have the administrator password mailed to yourself?

Since the ISP was hit by the hurricane I haven't been able to get on -- it
says 'sorry, wrong password' and the ISP isn't taking care of the problem
for me. If there was an option for the list administrator to mail their
password to themselves if they forgot it -- or had problems -- they could
get it again.

Sending monthly password reminders to the list administrators is not a bad
idea, either. Especially if you hand off a list to a moderator and they
change the password and forget to tell you.

Gary

Listwrangler
listwrangler at iximd.com
List administrator and webmaster

*****************************
For help with subscribe/unsubscribe, troubleshooting, or more info about
The American Boyz email lists, please visit:
home.iximd.com/~amboyz/online.html, or request a copy of the Amboyz Elist
Help File to be emailed to you.

If you are familiar with Mailman, the following lists are implemented with
Mailman and use standard Mailman features: Amboyz-Main, Amboyz-Announce,
TrueSpirit, and ElderTG

*****************************
The American Boyz, Inc. (not-for-profit)
212A S. Bridge St, #131, Elkton, MD, 21921
FAX: 410-620-2024; URL: home.iximd.com/~amboyz; EMAIL: amboyz at iximd.com





From blurr at txraves.org  Wed Sep 22 21:09:36 1999
From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:09:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there a way to have the list password emailed to yourself?
References: <l03110708b40ee23b31dc@[151.196.99.237]>
Message-ID: <001101bf052e$1334dfd0$9a1968d8@JORDAN>

sending reminders out to list memebers -manually- would be nice too... :)

------
jordan phillips
blurr at txraves.org
http://www.txraves.org/~blurr


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Listwrangler <listwrangler at iximd.com>
To: Mailman-Users email list <mailman-users at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 2:48 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there a way to have the list password emailed to yourself?


> Is there a way to have the administrator password mailed to yourself?
> 
> Since the ISP was hit by the hurricane I haven't been able to get on -- it
> says 'sorry, wrong password' and the ISP isn't taking care of the problem
> for me. If there was an option for the list administrator to mail their
> password to themselves if they forgot it -- or had problems -- they could
> get it again.
> 
> Sending monthly password reminders to the list administrators is not a bad
> idea, either. Especially if you hand off a list to a moderator and they
> change the password and forget to tell you.
> 
> Gary
> 
> Listwrangler
> listwrangler at iximd.com
> List administrator and webmaster
> 
> *****************************
> For help with subscribe/unsubscribe, troubleshooting, or more info about
> The American Boyz email lists, please visit:
> home.iximd.com/~amboyz/online.html, or request a copy of the Amboyz Elist
> Help File to be emailed to you.
> 
> If you are familiar with Mailman, the following lists are implemented with
> Mailman and use standard Mailman features: Amboyz-Main, Amboyz-Announce,
> TrueSpirit, and ElderTG
> 
> *****************************
> The American Boyz, Inc. (not-for-profit)
> 212A S. Bridge St, #131, Elkton, MD, 21921
> FAX: 410-620-2024; URL: home.iximd.com/~amboyz; EMAIL: amboyz at iximd.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users




From claw at varesearch.com  Wed Sep 22 21:15:17 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:15:17 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: Message from The List Server Administrator at UNH <listadm@paradox.unh.edu> 
   of "Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:44:27 EDT." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909221123120.4197-100000@paradox.unh.edu> 
Message-ID: <E11TrrK-0007P7-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:44:27 -0400 (EDT) 
The List Server Administrator at UNH <listadm at paradox.unh.edu> wrote:

>    Christopher Lindsey <lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu> posted (in part) a
> while back:

>> I would really prefer a model where the user can create a list on
>> their own ... I personally find it easier to create a new list on
>> the commandline, but I'd rather punt the entire job (except for
>> aliases) to the end user. Otherwise I end up sending questions
>> back and forth, etc...

>    J C Lawrence <claw at varesearch.com> followed-up (in part):

>> How about the following approach:
>> 
>> There is a web interface.
>> 
>> It allows a list to be created and configured, but does not
>> instantiate the aliases or anything else to actually make it
>> "live".

>> The nice thing about this approach is that it removes all the
>> priviledged account problems, the "oh god someone hacked in and
>> is running a warez list without me noticing" problem, and
>> further, requires minimal changes to the current code (the admin
>> interface would need to be touched to not publish lists "in
>> edit").

>     And Darren Boyd <dboyd at its.to> chimed in:

>> I was thinking of something along these lines as well.  A web
>> page could allow a user to create a list, which doesn't get
>> created. When they hit 'submit' mailman generates a script (sh or
>> python or whatever) in the .../mailman/newlists/ directory.  A
>> mail is sent to the administrator who can then log into the box
>> and run the script.  The script then sets up the list and mails
>> the owner.

>     This is, in effect, what we do here for setting up ListProc
> lists.  See:

>            http://listproc.unh.edu/New-lists

>     Anyone is welcome to try this out -- I'll just ignore your
> requests. :-)

I was thinking of something a little different:

  When you create a list thru the web interface I describe above, I
actually does the normal "create a list" process, creating all the
relevent directories, config.db etc.  The wanna-be list owner can
then use the normal MailMan web interface to configure his list in
the normal fashion, just like it was a fully instantiated list.  As
such he really is creating a list, not just filling out a
description of what he wants.

The differences from a "real" list would be that no mail aliases
would be created and config.db would contain a flag indicating that
this is a proposed list rather than an instantiated list.  The
benefit of this approach is that very little would have to change in 
the rest of MailMan.  All the normal admin and configuration
interfaces would work just as per normal without a single line of
source having to be touched, modulo the following exceptions:

  listinfo and admin would have to be touched to either not list
proposed lists, or to list them seperately from the real lists.

Not a big change for such a large feature.

-- 
J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From les at 2pi.com  Wed Sep 22 23:41:09 1999
From: les at 2pi.com (Les Niles)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:41:09 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives and searching
In-Reply-To: <199909211844.NAA16310@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> (message from
	Christopher Lindsey on Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:44:26 -0500 (CDT))
References: <199909211844.NAA16310@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <199909222141.OAA08874@deception.camlyn.com>

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:44:26 -0500 (CDT) Christopher Lindsey <lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Since pipermail is no longer being developed (at least that's what was
>announced on the list a while back) and the current CVS snapshot now
>supports the definition of an external archiving program, I recommend
>using MHonArc.

and

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:28:27 +1000 Bek Oberin <gossamer at tertius.net.au> wrote:
>How can I set up a search engine like htdig that uses the regular
>mailman (email+password) security?
>
>If I point it at http://hostname/pipermail/listname/ it's going to only
>index the enter-your-information pages and not the content, correct?
>How can I get around this?  And how can I -then- require actual users to
>enter their email+password to access the info?

Wilma is a search engine and web interface built on top of MHonArc
and glimpse.  (ftp://ftp.hpc.uh.edu/pub/wilma/)  It works nicely
with mailman.  I set it up to build its archive in the usual
mailman/archives/private/list_name/ directory, fetching the
messages from the list_name.mbox/list_name.mbox file.  (Actually,
a link to that file with a month-specific name, since I've got
wilma set up to make month-by-month archives.)  I haven't delved
into how pipermail is wired into mailman so I just left it all
there; there's no problem with it and wilma stepping on each other,
as long as wilma is configured to ignore the pipermail HTML
archives.

When users access the archives they do so through the "private" cgi
program, via a URL something like
http://mysite.com/mailman/private/list_name/9909/ (for the Sept
1999 archives), which means that mailman's password security
mechanism gets invoked just like for the pipermail archives.  It
worked surprisingly easily.

  -les  les at 2pi.com



From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep 23 00:29:04 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:04 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface
In-Reply-To: <E11TrrK-0007P7-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
References: <Message from The List Server Administrator at UNH <listadm@paradox.unh.edu>
 <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909221123120.4197-100000@paradox.unh.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990922182724.00d2e140@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:15 PM 9/22/99 -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
>The differences from a "real" list would be that no mail aliases
>would be created and config.db would contain a flag indicating that
>this is a proposed list rather than an instantiated list.  The
>benefit of this approach is that very little would have to change in 
>the rest of MailMan.  All the normal admin and configuration
>interfaces would work just as per normal without a single line of
>source having to be touched, modulo the following exceptions:
>
>   listinfo and admin would have to be touched to either not list
>proposed lists, or to list them seperately from the real lists.

Why a new flag?  Just create it as a hidden list.  Which I recommend be
the default anyway.  Before hitting return to let newlist send email, I zip
over to the config page, stick it the right virtual domain, and hide it... Then
I tell the admin to unhide it when he has it configured the way he wanted it,
and is ready for people to see it...
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep 23 00:24:13 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:24:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there a way to have the list password
  emailed to yourself?
In-Reply-To: <001101bf052e$1334dfd0$9a1968d8@JORDAN>
References: <l03110708b40ee23b31dc@[151.196.99.237]>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990922182212.00aa0ea0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

Go to the your personal settings page and click the "send me my password"
link.

Or, if you're the admin, go to THEIR settings page, and click the "send me my password"
link :-).  It'll still send it to the same place, i.e., them.

You can send out the monthly reminders whenever you want by running ~mailman/cron/mailpasswds.
Or look at the code and steal from it to create some personal hybrid.

At 02:09 PM 9/22/99 -0500, blurr at txraves.org wrote:
>sending reminders out to list memebers -manually- would be nice too... :)
>
>------
>jordan phillips
>blurr at txraves.org
>http://www.txraves.org/~blurr
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Listwrangler <listwrangler at iximd.com>
>To: Mailman-Users email list <mailman-users at python.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 2:48 PM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there a way to have the list password emailed to yourself?
>
>
> > Is there a way to have the administrator password mailed to yourself?
> > 
> > Since the ISP was hit by the hurricane I haven't been able to get on -- it
> > says 'sorry, wrong password' and the ISP isn't taking care of the problem
> > for me. If there was an option for the list administrator to mail their
> > password to themselves if they forgot it -- or had problems -- they could
> > get it again.
> > 
> > Sending monthly password reminders to the list administrators is not a bad
> > idea, either. Especially if you hand off a list to a moderator and they
> > change the password and forget to tell you.
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > Listwrangler
> > listwrangler at iximd.com
> > List administrator and webmaster
> > 
> > *****************************
> > For help with subscribe/unsubscribe, troubleshooting, or more info about
> > The American Boyz email lists, please visit:
> > home.iximd.com/~amboyz/online.html, or request a copy of the Amboyz Elist
> > Help File to be emailed to you.
> > 
> > If you are familiar with Mailman, the following lists are implemented with
> > Mailman and use standard Mailman features: Amboyz-Main, Amboyz-Announce,
> > TrueSpirit, and ElderTG
> > 
> > *****************************
> > The American Boyz, Inc. (not-for-profit)
> > 212A S. Bridge St, #131, Elkton, MD, 21921
> > FAX: 410-620-2024; URL: home.iximd.com/~amboyz; EMAIL: amboyz at iximd.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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>
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep 23 00:24:28 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:24:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] ack! security bug and question.
In-Reply-To: <l03110700b40eb7ea40a0@[151.196.99.237]>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990922181828.00d2c620@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:19 PM 9/22/99 -0500, Listwrangler wrote:
>Since most users don't have this much subtlety when it comes to security,
>wouldn't it be better to require the password *before* allowing people to
>access their edit page?

Yes, except for the fact that the links the users needs to access to get his
password back if he forgot it are on *that* page...

I suppose there could be a new level of security; extreme, where if they forget
their password, tough, email the admin...

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep 23 00:26:28 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] is there a way to have the list password
  emailed to yourself?
In-Reply-To: <l03110708b40ee23b31dc@[151.196.99.237]>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990922182458.00cb9100@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 02:48 PM 9/22/99 -0500, Listwrangler wrote:
>Is there a way to have the administrator password mailed to yourself?
>
>Since the ISP was hit by the hurricane I haven't been able to get on -- it
>says 'sorry, wrong password' and the ISP isn't taking care of the problem
>for me. If there was an option for the list administrator to mail their
>password to themselves if they forgot it -- or had problems -- they could
>get it again.

Not right now...  Although modifying mailpasswds to do admins would
probably be simple.

The theory is that the site admin would just go in and force a new password using
the site password, which, in your case, isn't working...
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From claw at varesearch.com  Thu Sep 23 00:49:51 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:49:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating New List via Web Interface 
In-Reply-To: Message from Ron Jarrell <jarrell@vt.edu> 
   of "Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:04 EDT." <4.2.0.58.19990922182724.00d2e140@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> 
Message-ID: <E11TvCx-0007vO-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:04 -0400 
Ron Jarrell <jarrell at vt.edu> wrote:

> At 12:15 PM 9/22/99 -0700, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> The differences from a "real" list would be that no mail aliases
>> would be created and config.db would contain a flag indicating
>> that this is a proposed list rather than an instantiated list.
>> The benefit of this approach is that very little would have to
>> change in the rest of MailMan.  All the normal admin and
>> configuration interfaces would work just as per normal without a
>> single line of source having to be touched, modulo the following
>> exceptions:
>> 
>> listinfo and admin would have to be touched to either not list
>> proposed lists, or to list them seperately from the real lists.

> Why a new flag?  Just create it as a hidden list.  

That would work as well, except that users can then see that it is
hidden and unhide it.  Not Good.  Using the method I propose (flag
addition), the user sets his list up exactly the way he wants it and 
the admin then merely installs the aliases and removes the flag.

-- 
J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From eparker at mindsec.com  Thu Sep 23 02:13:25 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:13:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hypermail to Pipermail (reply-to:?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909202118340.21157-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909221810130.32400-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

Well, I got all of zero replies to this. So I did the easy part of
moving the files that were in mbox format.. the others were in Hypermail
html only. I don't know how to move those properly.


Another question, that I am guessing won't get answered..

The thread last month on virtual users really wasn't all that
informative. I see the options that only a blind person could miss
for hostnames on the general options page. However that doesn't
fix the address the list E-mail FROM. So if i have host.x.com,
which is a CNAME to host.n.com, and the list knows it is on host.x.com,
it still shows up from list at host.n.com, regardless of what you put there.
Then people reply to the wrong hostname. 

I didn't see a way to do custom headers (not message header, mail headers,
they shouldn't call their header section "mail header" unless it really
can edit the actual headers).

I need to either adda  reply-to, so it replies to the right address, or
there MUST be an option I am missing. Someone couldn't possibly put out a
product without such an easy function. Am i missing it?


On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Erik Parker wrote:

> Hello list, just subscribed..
> 
> I looked through the (what seem to be) unsearchable archives at
> python.org, and couldn't really find anything. I also downloaded
> every gzip and grep'd for an answer, couldn't find anything that way
> either.
> 
> Is there a faq file, or an email you could give me to reference on exactly
> how to take all of my hypermail archives (a couple years worth) and
> convert them over to pipermail?
> 
> We run a very large list, doing about 2000 posts a day, to 700
> subscribers, for the Pentax camera discussion list. We are switching
> from Majordomo to mailman, for it to be easier for them to use from
> a user standpoint, as well as being able to let our helpdesk people
> administrate the list. We have it running on a dual piii-550, with
> 512 megs of ram.. In my load testing Mailman has done great, except it
> buckles when it gets 50 2 meg messages all within in a couple of minutes,
> and has to resend that to 100 users. It is python using up all of the
> resources, I think it might be from writing the archive, and not actually
> from sending out the emails. I am unsure.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> 
> Erik Parker
> eparker at mindsec.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au  Thu Sep 23 04:04:32 1999
From: yvain at gmp.usyd.edu.au (Chris Albone)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:04:32 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin passwords rejected
Message-ID: <v04220504b40f3a34bf2f@[129.78.231.216]>

Hi All,

	my mailman installation is causing me some grief. We've been 
running mailman 1.0 quite happily on a Linux redhat 5.2 box pretty 
much from the time that it was released. Recently, for a variety of 
reasons, the server was upgraded to redhat 6.0 - which also means 
that python was upgraded. Once python was upgraded, admin passwords 
stopped working.

	Or, to be more correct, lists that already exist can still be 
administered via the web interface, but any new lists that are 
created cannot. Any advice?

peace
Chris



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Thu Sep 23 05:01:29 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:01:29 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail2news by itself?
Message-ID: <19990923130129.B6897@tertius.net.au>

Is it possible to use the mail<=>news gateway part of mailman
by itself?  We pipe several outside mailing lists (eg bugtraq)
to internal newsgroups for the convenience of staff and have
noticed that mailman's gatewaying is superior to the homebrew
we use for the outside lists ...

short of setting up a mailing list for each newsgroup and
doing it that way, can this be done?

bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: Trust your hunches.  They're usually right. They're usually
: based on facts filed away just below the conscious level.
: -- Dr Joyce Brothers



From eparker at mindsec.com  Thu Sep 23 07:15:06 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:15:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail2news by itself?
In-Reply-To: <19990923130129.B6897@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909222314160.1096-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

Bek,

I don't know how well you know python. However, if you know
it well, take a look at GatewayManager.py in the Mailman directory
under the install root. That appears to do most of the handeling of the
gateway.

However, I bet you were looking for a more simpler situation. There
may be one, but I don't know it :)

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Bek Oberin wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to use the mail<=>news gateway part of mailman
> by itself?  We pipe several outside mailing lists (eg bugtraq)
> to internal newsgroups for the convenience of staff and have
> noticed that mailman's gatewaying is superior to the homebrew
> we use for the outside lists ...
> 
> short of setting up a mailing list for each newsgroup and
> doing it that way, can this be done?
> 
> bekj
> 
> -- 
> : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
> : gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
> : Trust your hunches.  They're usually right. They're usually
> : based on facts filed away just below the conscious level.
> : -- Dr Joyce Brothers
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From digulla at hepe.com  Thu Sep 23 15:05:56 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:05:56 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
In-Reply-To: <19990922161725.D22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>; from Aaron Optimizer Digulla on Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 04:17:25PM +0200
References: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990922153903.J12634@sebigbos.hepe.com> <00d301bf0504$9cb8ad60$9a1968d8@JORDAN> <19990922161725.D22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <19990923150556.F22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 04:17:25PM +0200, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:

> Especially when the documentation expicitly states that "From " is
> used :-)

Update: I have activated the two lines of debug code in MailList.py.
Here is what I get:

Sep 22 15:56:45 1999 post: envsend: digulla at sebigbos.hepe.com, sender: digulla at sebigbos.hepe.com
Sep 22 19:07:23 1999 post: envsend: adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com, sender: adam
Sep 22 21:28:46 1999 post: envsend: adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com, sender: adam
Sep 22 22:12:22 1999 post: envsend: henning at tilt.prima.de, sender: henning at tilt.prima.de
Sep 23 05:13:42 1999 post: envsend: Stefan.Berger at att.net, sender: root

Why is sender wrong sometimes ?

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From digulla at hepe.com  Thu Sep 23 15:08:47 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:08:47 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
In-Reply-To: <19990923150556.F22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>; from Aaron Optimizer Digulla on Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 03:05:56PM +0200
References: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990922153903.J12634@sebigbos.hepe.com> <00d301bf0504$9cb8ad60$9a1968d8@JORDAN> <19990922161725.D22523@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990923150556.F22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <19990923150847.G22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:

> Sep 22 15:56:45 1999 post: envsend: digulla at sebigbos.hepe.com, sender: digulla at sebigbos.hepe.com
> Sep 22 19:07:23 1999 post: envsend: adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com, sender: adam
> Sep 22 21:28:46 1999 post: envsend: adam.chodorowski at bigfoot.com, sender: adam
> Sep 22 22:12:22 1999 post: envsend: henning at tilt.prima.de, sender: henning at tilt.prima.de
> Sep 23 05:13:42 1999 post: envsend: Stefan.Berger at att.net, sender: root
> 
> Why is sender wrong sometimes ?

Here is a header for which mailman says the sender is "root":


From Stefan.Berger at att.net  Thu Sep 23 05:19:16 1999
From: Stefan.Berger at att.net (Stefan Berger)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:19:16 -0400
Subject: [AROS-Dev] Possible problem with menus and simple refresh windows
References: <37E77E7F.B768D7FD@att.net> <37E7A60D.E2499305@rolmail.net>
Message-ID: <37E99C34.63EEBE68@att.net>

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From ddickey at wamnet.com  Thu Sep 23 15:51:17 1999
From: ddickey at wamnet.com (Dan A. Dickey)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:51:17 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists and subject prefix (subject_prefix)
Message-ID: <37EA3055.99906537@wamnet.com>

We are beginning to make use of Mailman here (good work!),
and we are using it to provide company wide mailing lists.
So, we have umbrella lists that distribute to other areas
of the company in other parts of the world.  So, a list like
	"listname at ourdomain.com" would be an umbrella for:
"listname-us at ourdomain.com", "listname-uk at ourdomain.com", and
so on.  We've just started doing this, and myself and the
administrator working on this quickly became annoyed that
the subject lines ended up looking like:
	Subject: [listname-us] [listname] Test message

So, I modified MailList.py a bit so that it not only
checks for subject_prefix in the subject, but also all of
the acceptable_aliases for the list.  So, now when a message
is posted to listname, it gets resent to listname-*; while the
subject remains as "Subject: [listname] Test message".
The patch for this follows.

If anyone cares to now fix the little problem of the
footer being added by both lists, I'd like to see the
patch for that.  Its a minor annoyance, but one I can
live with for the time being.
	-Dan

-- 
Dan A. Dickey
ddickey at wamnet.com
-------------- next part --------------
*** MailList.py.orig	Tue Jul 20 21:19:21 1999
--- MailList.py	Thu Sep 23 08:28:48 1999
***************
*** 1130,1135 ****
--- 1130,1157 ----
                          return 1
  	return 0
  
+     def HasPrefix(self, msg):
+ 	"""True if subject_prefix or any acceptable_alias is included in
+         the Subject: ."""
+ 	subj = msg.getheader('subject')
+         # First check for our own subject_prefix:
+ 	if re.search(re.escape(self.subject_prefix), subj, re.I):
+ 		return 1
+         # ... and only then try the regexp acceptable aliases.
+         for alias in string.split(self.acceptable_aliases, '\n'):
+             stripped = string.strip(alias)
+             try:
+                 # The list alias in `stripped` is a user supplied regexp,
+                 # which could be malformed.
+                 if stripped and re.search(stripped, subj, re.I):
+                     return 1
+             except re.error:
+                 # `stripped' is a malformed regexp -- try matching
+                 # safely, with all non-alphanumerics backslashed:
+                 if stripped and re.search(re.escape(stripped), subj, re.I):
+                     return 1
+ 	return 0
+ 
      def parse_matching_header_opt(self):
  	"""Return a list of triples [(field name, regex, line), ...]."""
  	# - Blank lines and lines with '#' as first char are skipped.
***************
*** 1306,1313 ****
  	prefix = self.subject_prefix
  	if not subj:
  	    msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s(no subject)' % prefix)
! 	elif prefix and not re.search(re.escape(self.subject_prefix),
!                                       subj, re.I):
  	    msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s%s' % (prefix, subj))
          if self.anonymous_list:
              del msg['reply-to']
--- 1328,1334 ----
  	prefix = self.subject_prefix
  	if not subj:
  	    msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s(no subject)' % prefix)
! 	elif prefix and not self.HasPrefix(msg):
  	    msg.SetHeader('Subject', '%s%s' % (prefix, subj))
          if self.anonymous_list:
              del msg['reply-to']

From gme at s1.com  Thu Sep 23 16:17:05 1999
From: gme at s1.com (George Ellenburg)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:17:05 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Attachments not making it to the list (revisited)
Message-ID: <001801bf05ce$5079baa0$46144b0a@s1.com>

Greetings,

Just in case, I upgraded Postfix to the latest stable version on my mail
server here - thinking that might have been the bottleneck - but am still
having problems trying to Email a 78k word document to a test list.  There
are *no* limits on the list as far as message sizes go and Postfix's max
message size is set to 25mb.

Here's what I'm seeing in the logs:

/home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures:
Sep 23 10:02:40 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['gellenburg at s1.com',
'george.ellenburg at s1.com', 'gme at s1.com']:
Sep 23 10:02:40 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connection unexpectedly
closed  (dequeued)
Sep 23 10:02:40 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['gabofh at yahoo.com']:
Sep 23 10:02:40 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connection unexpectedly
closed  (dequeued)
Sep 23 10:02:40 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['lnbrg at mars.he.net']:
Sep 23 10:02:40 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connection unexpectedly
closed  (dequeued)

/home/mailman/logs/post:
Sep 23 09:57:34 1999  post to test from gme at s1.com size=105589

/home/mailman/logs/digest:
Sep 23 09:57:33 1999  Test v 1 - 1 msgs 0 dgstrs: 0 m 0 non 0 dis

/home/mailman/logs/error:
<empty>

/home/mailman/logs/vette:
<empty>

/home/mailman/logs/bounce:
<empty>

/var/log/maillog:
Sep 23 09:57:30 daffy postfix/smtpd[32090]: D22231EC11:
client=d10-75-20-70.s1.com[10.75.20.70]
Sep 23 09:57:30 daffy postfix/cleanup[31963]: D22231EC11:
message-id=<000a01bf05cb$766fed90$46144b0a at s1.com>
Sep 23 09:57:33 daffy postfix/qmgr[31962]: D22231EC11: from=<gme at s1.com>,
size=107588 (queue active)
Sep 23 10:02:40 daffy postfix/local[32046]: D22231EC11: to=<test at s1.com>,
relay=local, delay=310, status=sent ("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post
test")

ls -al /home/mailman/mail/ :
# ls -al
total 19
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman  mailman    512 Aug 21 07:47 .
drwxrwsr-x  17 mailman  mailman    512 Sep 20 07:37 ..
-rw-r--r--   1 root     mailman   1521 Aug 21 07:47 paths.py
-rw-r--r--   1 mailman  mailman    270 Aug 21 07:47 paths.pyc
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root     mailman  14047 Aug 21 07:47 wrapper
#

Does anyone have any suggestions or clues?

Many thanks!
-----
George M. Ellenburg -- Unix Administrator
Security First Technology Center -- Norcross, Ga
Tel: +1 678 421 4805 -- Pager: +1 888 463 5585
gme at s1.com -- http://www.s1.com/





From digulla at hepe.com  Thu Sep 23 17:10:25 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:10:25 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin passwords rejected
In-Reply-To: <v04220504b40f3a34bf2f@[129.78.231.216]>; from Chris Albone on Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 12:04:32PM +1000
Message-ID: <19990923155228.O22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 12:04:32PM +1000, Chris Albone wrote:

> 	my mailman installation is causing me some grief. We've been 
> running mailman 1.0 quite happily on a Linux redhat 5.2 box pretty 
> much from the time that it was released. Recently, for a variety of 
> reasons, the server was upgraded to redhat 6.0 - which also means 
> that python was upgraded. Once python was upgraded, admin passwords 
> stopped working.

"stopped working" == "Password is wrong now" or can't you simply
make any changes permanent ? In the latter case, it's a cookie
problem. Check that the cookie is in ~/.netscape/cookies and
whether junkbuster is running (sometimes also called "ijb").

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From steinm at majestix.fernuni-hagen.de  Thu Sep 23 18:10:07 1999
From: steinm at majestix.fernuni-hagen.de (Uwe Steinmann)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:10:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail says: Data format error
Message-ID: <19990923181007.A19246@gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>

Hi,

I have installed Mailman 1.0 on a SuSE 6.2 System running sendmail 8.9.3.
There hasn't been any problems during installation.
I was able to create a new list and configure it (The name is 'ieg').

When I send a message to the list, it is archived but isn't delivered
to the members.

All it says in the logs is 'Data format error' and I don't get any
response, not even the list owner gets an error message.

Would be great if somebody with a better understanding of mail delivery
could help. I'm not even sure if this a Mailman problem though it's
first I encounter such problems.

Thanks.

  Uwe

Here is the important part from the log file (line withs **** are my comments):

**** I guess this is my mail to the list
Sep 23 17:03:02 gehtnix sendmail[17476]: RAA17476: from=steinm, size=52, class=0, pri=30052, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199909231503.RAA17476 at gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>, relay=steinm at localhost

**** mailman gets it
Sep 23 17:03:02 gehtnix sendmail[17476]: RAB17476: clone RAA17476, owner=ieg-admin
Sep 23 17:03:04 gehtnix sendmail[17478]: RAB17476: to="|/usr/local/mailman-1.0/mail/wrapper post ieg", delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

**** No idea what now comes
Sep 23 17:03:04 gehtnix sendmail[17493]: RAA17493: from=<ieg-admin at gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>, size=358, class=-60, pri=138358, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199909231503.RAA17493 at gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>, proto=ESMTP, relay=daemon at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 23 17:03:04 gehtnix sendmail[17496]: RAA17496: from=<ieg-admin at gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>, size=728, class=-60, pri=138728, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199909231503.RAA17476 at gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>, proto=ESMTP, relay=daemon at localhost [127.0.0.1]
Sep 23 17:03:04 gehtnix sendmail[17499]: RAA17499: from=<ieg-admin at gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>, size=728, class=-60, pri=198728, nrcpts=3, msgid=<199909231503.RAA17476 at gehtnix.fernuni-hagen.de>, proto=ESMTP, relay=daemon at localhost [127.0.0.1]

**** Fine, mailman tries to deliver the Mail (everybody on the list but me)
Sep 23 17:03:05 gehtnix sendmail[17503]: RAA17499: to=<Uwe.Steinmann at fernuni-hagen.de>,<steinm at majestix.fernuni-hagen.de>,<thomas.dammann at fernuni-hagen.de>, delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, relay=oak.fernuni-hagen.de. [132.176.114.41], stat=Data format error

**** Ups, it didn't work, why?
Sep 23 17:03:05 gehtnix sendmail[17503]: RAA17499: RAA17503: DSN: Data format error

**** I guess this is the acknowledgement to the sender (me)
Sep 23 17:03:06 gehtnix sendmail[17498]: RAA17493: to=<steinm at majestix.fernuni-hagen.de>, delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, relay=oak.fernuni-hagen.de. [132.176.114.41], stat=Data format error

**** Fails again
Sep 23 17:03:06 gehtnix sendmail[17498]: RAA17493: RAA17498: DSN: Data format error

**** Report the failure to the list owner. Twice?
Sep 23 17:03:06 gehtnix sendmail[17503]: RAA17503: to="|/usr/local/mailman-1.0/mail/wrapper mailowner ieg", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent
Sep 23 17:03:06 gehtnix sendmail[17498]: RAA17498: to="|/usr/local/mailman-1.0/mail/wrapper mailowner ieg", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

**** Wonder if this still belongs to it
Sep 23 17:03:08 gehtnix sendmail[17501]: RAA17496: to=<steinm at uni-paderborn.de>, delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:04, mailer=esmtp, relay=uni-paderborn.de. [131.234.22.30], stat=Sent (2.6.0 S22503AbPIWPDq message accepted)

-- 
  Uwe.Steinmann at fernuni-hagen.de
  Tel: +2331 987 4528    Fax: +2331 987 375



From jafo at tummy.com  Thu Sep 23 21:21:22 1999
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:21:22 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] umbrella lists and subject prefix (subject_prefix)
In-Reply-To: <37EA3055.99906537@wamnet.com>; from Dan A. Dickey on Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 08:51:17AM -0500
References: <37EA3055.99906537@wamnet.com>
Message-ID: <19990923132122.E1119@tummy.com>

On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 08:51:17AM -0500, Dan A. Dickey wrote:
>If anyone cares to now fix the little problem of the
>footer being added by both lists, I'd like to see the
>patch for that.  Its a minor annoyance, but one I can
>live with for the time being.

I haven't worked with umbrella lists, but it would seem that the obvious
solution would be to remove the footer and the subject tag from either
the listname server or the listname-(us|uk|whatever) lists.  Is there
something wrong with this?

Sean
-- 
 The structure of a system reflects the structure of the organization that
 built it.  -- Richard E. Fairley
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo at tummy.com>
URL: <http://www.tummy.com/xvscan> HP-UX/Linux/FreeBSD/BSDOS scanning software.



From ddickey at wamnet.com  Thu Sep 23 21:51:06 1999
From: ddickey at wamnet.com (Dan A. Dickey)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] umbrella lists and subject prefix
 (subject_prefix)
References: <37EA3055.99906537@wamnet.com> <19990923132122.E1119@tummy.com>
Message-ID: <37EA84AA.9211BAF7@wamnet.com>

Sean Reifschneider wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 08:51:17AM -0500, Dan A. Dickey wrote:
> >If anyone cares to now fix the little problem of the
> >footer being added by both lists, I'd like to see the
> >patch for that.  Its a minor annoyance, but one I can
> >live with for the time being.
> 
> I haven't worked with umbrella lists, but it would seem that the obvious
> solution would be to remove the footer and the subject tag from either
> the listname server or the listname-(us|uk|whatever) lists.  Is there
> something wrong with this?

The problem then is that mail sent to one or the other
of the lists does NOT get the footer added.
I.E., when a message gets sent to "listname", I want the
prefix [listname] added, and the footer for listname.
This message would be directed to listname-* at that point,
and I don't want listname-us adding a prefix or a footer.
Also, I want a message directed at "listname-us" to get
the [listname-us] prefix added, and listname-us's footer.
I'm not sure where the term "umbrella" list came from,
but it seems to me I'm looking more for a "waterfall"
effect here - the first list the message is directed at
gets to do its thing and others just pass it on to the
list members with no modification.

	-Dan

-- 
Dan A. Dickey
ddickey at wamnet.com



From arutla at csee.wvu.edu  Thu Sep 23 22:01:00 1999
From: arutla at csee.wvu.edu (Keerthi Arutla)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:01:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive option
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909231559230.3014-100000@naur.csee.wvu.edu>

Hi,

Can anybody tell me how to turn off archive option by default. I mean how
do I make archive option off by default. I appreciate any help. Thank you.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keerthi K Arutla
Assistant System Admin.
Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
West Virginia University

pH:  304-293-0405 X 2575 (O)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------




From jafo at tummy.com  Thu Sep 23 22:20:37 1999
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:20:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] umbrella lists and subject prefix (subject_prefix)
In-Reply-To: <37EA84AA.9211BAF7@wamnet.com>; from Dan A. Dickey on Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 02:51:06PM -0500
References: <37EA3055.99906537@wamnet.com> <19990923132122.E1119@tummy.com> <37EA84AA.9211BAF7@wamnet.com>
Message-ID: <19990923142037.H1119@tummy.com>

On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 02:51:06PM -0500, Dan A. Dickey wrote:
>effect here - the first list the message is directed at
>gets to do its thing and others just pass it on to the
>list members with no modification.

Hmmm.  One could set a flag to disable adding the footer if it doesn't
add the subject tag, but then you wouldn't get it on replies either.
What about having another option in the list which you could specify
if we receive a message from would then bypass the message re-writing?

Sean
-- 
 A ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for.
                 -- Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo at tummy.com>
URL: <http://www.tummy.com/xvscan> HP-UX/Linux/FreeBSD/BSDOS scanning software.



From eparker at mindsec.com  Thu Sep 23 23:50:19 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:50:19 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reply-to feature
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909231546220.5198-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

Hi,

This is semi-urgent, as we move from Majordom to Mailman tommorow
for a major corporations mailing list (Pentax Cameras)...

We have a host setup to CNAME to our listserv machine:

discuss.pentax.com points to portal.navidec.com

I have discuss.pentax.com :

Host name this list prefers. discuss.pentax.com
Base URL for Mailman web interface  http://discuss.pentax.com/mailman/



However, ALL mail coming from the list, has a return address of:
pentax-discuss at portal.navidec.com,
instead of pentax-discuss at discuss.pentax.com



I have:

Are replies to a post directed to the original poster or to the list?
set to -LIST-.

They don't want to default to reply to just that person, it has
to stay the same as it used to be, and thats replying to the list.
THey do about 2000 posts a day, and this goes live in 15 hours...

ANY help is appreciated. There must be an option for this.


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com





From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Fri Sep 24 00:05:51 1999
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 00:05:51 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-to feature
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909231546220.5198-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.990924000507.21297F-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Erik Parker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> This is semi-urgent, as we move from Majordom to Mailman tommorow
> for a major corporations mailing list (Pentax Cameras)...
> 
> We have a host setup to CNAME to our listserv machine:
> 
> discuss.pentax.com points to portal.navidec.com

Here is the root of the problems. CNAME and smtp doesn't mix well. Use A
records instead of CNAME-s.

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From claw at varesearch.com  Fri Sep 24 02:40:36 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-to feature
In-Reply-To: Message from Erik Parker <eparker@mindsec.com> 
   of "Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:50:19 MDT." <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909231546220.5198-100000@noella.mindsec.com> 
Message-ID: <E11UJPg-0002NY-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:50:19 -0600 (MDT) 
Erik Parker <eparker at mindsec.com> wrote:

> However, ALL mail coming from the list, has a return address of:
> pentax-discuss at portal.navidec.com, instead of
> pentax-discuss at discuss.pentax.com

At the bottom of the general optios page set the "Host name this
list prefers" to "discuss.pentax.com".

-- 
J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From patrickl at cst.ca  Fri Sep 24 13:11:00 1999
From: patrickl at cst.ca (Patrick LIN)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:11:00 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate message in mailman :((
Message-ID: <37EB5C44.1C7927B6@cst.ca>

hi,


i have a problem , i dont if it is a bug or a misconfirution but 
i report this :

MAilman work pretty fine for 2 Weeks
and suddently 
every subscribers receive 2 or 3 copy for the same messages

i note this happend when in the list of subscriber an addres have
problem
my mailq have 20 entry for the same address 
and after i block this address and empty my mailq 
everything is good

any help, or comments ?


thanks
patrick



From jdandrea at att.com  Fri Sep 24 14:42:49 1999
From: jdandrea at att.com (Joe D'Andrea)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Calling all qmail / mailman admins ...
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.05.9909240837350.14516-100000@fuller.ims.att.com>

Try as I might, I still don't have qmail and mailman playing nice
together. If anyone has pulled this stunt off, or is currently
trying to figure it out (like I am), could you please contact me?

I'd like to discuss in an offline e-mail thread all the nuances
(above and beyond what's in README.QMAIL) and then post what will
hopefully be the definitive "steps to configure" for qmail/mailman.

Not that I object to discussing it here (I don't) but if it will
help keep the signal/noise ratio down ... :-)

--
Joe D'Andrea
AT&T Laboratories




From eparker at mindsec.com  Fri Sep 24 20:26:08 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:26:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Reply-to feature
In-Reply-To: <E11UZxR-00046l-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241223170.12916-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, J C Lawrence wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:13:04 -0600 (MDT) 
> Erik Parker <eparker at mindsec.com> wrote:
> 
> > The actual From: header.. Sendmail isn't rewriting them.. I even
> > tried changing the HOSTNAME on the machine, and specifying it
> > solid in the sendmail.cf file..
> 
> Ooof.  Something is funny then.  The config field should (and does
> here) control the From: header.  In truth all the machines I run
> MailMan on use FQDN's in the From: field that resolve to that
> machine only by MX (no A or CNAME match).
>

hhmm.. Something is strange.. The other thing I noticed, in the bottom
left of each HTML page to go with mailman, it still lists the list info
on portal.navidec.com.. I can't even find the html file or template
that has that footer assigned in it. The rest of everything (Like, welcome
messages, info pages, list discuss.pentax.com)

The digest correctly mails out from discuss.pentax.com, but regular
posts do not. I have grep'd for 'portal' in every directory under
/usr/local/mailman, I found no matches. 

As I said before, I tried changing my hostname to discuss.pentax.com just
to test, and I tried changing sendmail's config to think it was on
discuss.pentax.com, also added it to my /etc/hosts.. 

And still, no go.

I even modified firewall to try and re-write the from and to headers,
and it wouldn't do it (that is probably because I may not have done it
right)
 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
> ---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
>  ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...
> 


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com





From eparker at mindsec.com  Fri Sep 24 20:33:38 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:33:38 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hard code the reply-to?
In-Reply-To: <37EB5C44.1C7927B6@cst.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241232370.12961-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

Hi all, it appears there is no answer to why its doing this, and now I'm
running really low on time. It appears it must be mailman that is writing
the reply to as portal.navidec.com, which file can I edit to hard code
mailing to set the reply to as list at discuss.pentax.com ?


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From eparker at mindsec.com  Fri Sep 24 20:49:25 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:49:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hard code the reply-to?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241232370.12961-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241248150.13085-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

One thing fixed.. The reference on the bottom left of each page 
to "<list> list run by <maintainer>" showing the wrong host..
that was because of the setup of apache..


On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Erik Parker wrote:

> 
> Hi all, it appears there is no answer to why its doing this, and now I'm
> running really low on time. It appears it must be mailman that is writing
> the reply to as portal.navidec.com, which file can I edit to hard code
> mailing to set the reply to as list at discuss.pentax.com ?
> 
> 
> Erik Parker
> eparker at mindsec.com
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From eparker at mindsec.com  Fri Sep 24 21:11:34 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:11:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail())
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241248150.13085-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241307500.13217-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

found this in Deliverer.py

msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail())


Could I re-write that line, and ALL messages leaving mailman
would use that reply-to?

I don't know how to write python.. how could i make that
read something that would make all reply-to's

goto pentax-discuss at discuss.pentax.com


Thanks for your help. If this ever works right before 5pm, you will be
life savers. heh.

Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com





From eparker at mindsec.com  Fri Sep 24 21:38:16 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:38:16 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' %
 self.GetListEmail())
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241307500.13217-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241337470.13423-100000@noella.mindsec.com>


Which I tried as:

msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % "pentax-discuss\@discuss.pentax.com")


But then I end up getting emails with a reply-to of:

"pentax-discuss at discuss.pentax.com"@portal.navidec.com

...hm.

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Erik Parker wrote:

> found this in Deliverer.py
> 
> msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail())
> 
> 
> Could I re-write that line, and ALL messages leaving mailman
> would use that reply-to?
> 
> I don't know how to write python.. how could i make that
> read something that would make all reply-to's
> 
> goto pentax-discuss at discuss.pentax.com
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help. If this ever works right before 5pm, you will be
> life savers. heh.
> 
> Erik Parker
> eparker at mindsec.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mailman-Developers maillist  -  Mailman-Developers at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers
> 


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From jafo at tummy.com  Fri Sep 24 22:10:37 1999
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:10:37 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hostnames..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241359420.13637-100000@noella.mindsec.com>; from Erik Parker on Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 02:01:10PM -0600
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241359420.13637-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <19990924141037.H1119@tummy.com>

[Note that I've sent this to the mailman-users list, which is really
more appropriate than the developers list.  However, I don't actually
read the -users group because of a lack of time.]

On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 02:01:10PM -0600, Erik Parker wrote:
>Where to the scripts ask to get their hostname from each time?
>
>mm_cfg.py  ?
>
>I have DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'discuss.pentax.com'
>
>and in Defaults.py
>
>DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'discuss.pentax.com'

mm_cfg.py is for the *LOCAL* settings, and things in there are overridden by
values in mm_cfg.py.  However, when sending a message the preferred host
name is taken from the value set in the main config panel "Host name this
list prefers".

Have you been looking at your MTA with the same ferver that you've been
looking at Mailman?  My bet is that it's some sort of interaction with
the MTA, but you haven't mentioned what you're using.

Sean
-- 
 I put my hand upon her lever, said "let it rock and let it roll."
 I had the one-arm-bandit fever, it was an arrow through my heart, that's all.
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo at tummy.com>
URL: <http://www.tummy.com/xvscan> HP-UX/Linux/FreeBSD/BSDOS scanning software.



From eparker at mindsec.com  Fri Sep 24 22:27:13 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:27:13 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hostnames..
In-Reply-To: <19990924141037.H1119@tummy.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241425290.13776-100000@noella.mindsec.com>

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Sean Reifschneider wrote:

> [Note that I've sent this to the mailman-users list, which is really
> more appropriate than the developers list.  However, I don't actually
> read the -users group because of a lack of time.]
> 
> On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 02:01:10PM -0600, Erik Parker wrote:
> >Where to the scripts ask to get their hostname from each time?
> >
> >mm_cfg.py  ?
> >
> >I have DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'discuss.pentax.com'
> >
> >and in Defaults.py
> >
> >DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'discuss.pentax.com'
> 
> mm_cfg.py is for the *LOCAL* settings, and things in there are overridden by
> values in mm_cfg.py.  However, when sending a message the preferred host
> name is taken from the value set in the main config panel "Host name this
> list prefers".
> 
> Have you been looking at your MTA with the same ferver that you've been
> looking at Mailman?  My bet is that it's some sort of interaction with
> the MTA, but you haven't mentioned what you're using.
>

I am using sendmail 8.9.3, I have gone as far to:

Change the sendmail.cf to force it to use the host discuss.pentax.com,
changing the reverse DNS for the machine to it matched the A record
for discuss.pentax.com
changed the hostname on the machine


and (not to sound like a broken record, but people keep emailing me
with their wisdom, and never noticed I've already stated this)
I HAVE IT SET VIA THE WEB PAGE FOR "Host name this list prefers."
set to the RIGHT host.

 
> Sean
> -- 
>  I put my hand upon her lever, said "let it rock and let it roll."
>  I had the one-arm-bandit fever, it was an arrow through my heart, that's all.
> Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo at tummy.com>
> URL: <http://www.tummy.com/xvscan> HP-UX/Linux/FreeBSD/BSDOS scanning software.
> 


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri Sep 24 23:00:51 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:00:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Hostnames..
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909241425290.13776-100000@noella.mindsec.com> from "Erik Parker" at Sep 24, 99 02:27:13 pm
Message-ID: <199909242100.QAA06649@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From claird at starbase.neosoft.com  Sat Sep 25 14:17:37 1999
From: claird at starbase.neosoft.com (Cameron Laird)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:17:37 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] With www.list.org
Message-ID: <199909251217.HAA26139@starbase.neosoft.com>

un-ping-able, who should take action?



From christopher at schulte.org  Sat Sep 25 16:04:37 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:04:37 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] With www.list.org
In-Reply-To: <199909251217.HAA26139@starbase.neosoft.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990925090016.00c21340@pop.schulte.org>

At 07:17 AM 9/25/99 -0500, Cameron Laird wrote:
 >un-ping-able, who should take action?

Contact is listed as below:

Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Stein, Greg  (GS530)  gstein at LYRA.ORG
425 861 8060

--
NAME: Christopher Schulte
MAIL: christopher at schulte.org
SITE: http://www.schulte.org/
FINGER(PGP): christopher at shell.schulte.org

c:\winnt> secure_nt.exe
	Securing NT. Insert Linux boot disk to continue......




From jarrell at vt.edu  Sun Sep 26 06:11:31 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 00:11:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Hypermail to Pipermail (reply-to:?)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909221810130.32400-100000@noella.mindsec.co
 m>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909202118340.21157-100000@noella.mindsec.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990926000943.05322210@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 06:13 PM 9/22/99 -0600, Erik Parker wrote:
>The thread last month on virtual users really wasn't all that
>informative. I see the options that only a blind person could miss
>for hostnames on the general options page. However that doesn't
>fix the address the list E-mail FROM. So if i have host.x.com,
>which is a CNAME to host.n.com, and the list knows it is on host.x.com,
>it still shows up from list at host.n.com, regardless of what you put there.
>Then people reply to the wrong hostname. 

As at least one other person on mailman-dev told you, and I just told
you a few minutes ago, so you'll get this answer from me twice, your hostname
problems are an smtp issue, not a mailman problem.  Stop using CNAMEs for
mail if you care what the mail looks like; many mailers, sendmail in particular,
will, at either end, rewrite the cname into the canonical name.  Change the cname
to a duplicate a record with mx.
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From yvain at queer.org.au  Sun Sep 26 08:29:08 1999
From: yvain at queer.org.au (Chris Albone,,,)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:29:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] IE5 and the admin pages.
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From gstein at nebula.lyra.org  Sun Sep 26 11:30:30 1999
From: gstein at nebula.lyra.org (Greg Stein)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] With www.list.org
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990925090016.00c21340@pop.schulte.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909260229410.833-100000@nebula.lyra.org>

www.list.org is down until Monday evening. Its server is being moved from
Seattle, WA to Palo Alto, CA. I didn't have enough time to bring up
list.org on a temporary site :-(

Cheers,
-g

On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Christopher Schulte wrote:
> At 07:17 AM 9/25/99 -0500, Cameron Laird wrote:
>  >un-ping-able, who should take action?
> 
> Contact is listed as below:
> 
> Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
> Stein, Greg  (GS530)  gstein at LYRA.ORG
> 425 861 8060
> 
> --
> NAME: Christopher Schulte
> MAIL: christopher at schulte.org
> SITE: http://www.schulte.org/
> FINGER(PGP): christopher at shell.schulte.org
> 
> c:\winnt> secure_nt.exe
> 	Securing NT. Insert Linux boot disk to continue......
> 




From martinez at ccuec.unicamp.br  Mon Sep 27 19:46:14 1999
From: martinez at ccuec.unicamp.br (Claudio Martinez)
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:46:14 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instalation
Message-ID: <37EFAD66.132EB69C@ccuec.unicamp.br>

I installed Mailman in one PC running Linux + Apache,
But, when i try to view the HPages, i?ve got a 
404 erroR! I think that i have 2 configure APACHE, but
how i do this !? and what i changE !?

tankz!


-- 
====Cl?udio Martinez =================
CCUEC - UNICAMP - GDTEC
Ger?ncia de Desenvolvimento T?cnologico
tel. (019) 788-2287   
======================================



From richard at linsup.com  Tue Sep 28 01:06:46 1999
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:06:46 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instalation
In-Reply-To: <37EFAD66.132EB69C@ccuec.unicamp.br>
Message-ID: <005001bf093c$f8e7ece0$0200a8c0@perch>

You need to follow the installation instructions...  The Apache stuff is in
paragraph 4 of the file /usr/local/mailman-1.0/INSTALL  (on my system,
RedHat Linux)....

Richard.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Claudio Martinez
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 1999 3:46
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Instalation
>
>
> I installed Mailman in one PC running Linux + Apache,
> But, when i try to view the HPages, i?ve got a
> 404 erroR! I think that i have 2 configure APACHE, but
> how i do this !? and what i changE !?
>
> tankz!
>
>
> --
> ====Cl?udio Martinez =================
> CCUEC - UNICAMP - GDTEC
> Ger?ncia de Desenvolvimento T?cnologico
> tel. (019) 788-2287
> ======================================
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From Tim.Wells at goodnews.net  Tue Sep 28 17:20:49 1999
From: Tim.Wells at goodnews.net (Timothy G. Wells)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:20:49 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can you have a standard blurb at end of each message?
Message-ID: <4.1.19990928111940.00913e10@mail.goodnews.net>

Greetings,

So far so good ...!! But how can I have a standard blurb at the end of each
posting? I would like to be able to update that blurb on a per list basis.

Thanks,

-- Tim




From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Wed Sep 29 18:14:54 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:14:54 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Documentation: list admin draft
Message-ID: <9909291117190G.01912@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu>

I have placed the first rough draft of both a list manager's guide and a
list manager's quick reference on the web.  I would appreciate it if
members of the MM user community could take a look at it and comment.

I have been preparing documentation for my institution as we roll MM out
and we will eventually GPL the docs once we find out what we need to do. 
The following documents are currently available for review:

1.  MailMan User Guide (for list subscribers)
2.  MailMan Administrator's Guide (for list managers, non-technical list
owners)
3.  List Administrator's Quick Reference (covers 90% of what our help desk
has heard from non-technical (faculty) list owners).

At this time all of the documents are ugly, I just need
feedback/corrections related to the content.  Documents are available at
http://www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman

Cheers,

--chris

--
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\ 
 Christopher G. Kolar 
   Director of Instructional Technology 
   Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois 
 ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu 
        [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72] 



From arutla at csee.wvu.edu  Wed Sep 29 18:14:38 1999
From: arutla at csee.wvu.edu (Keerthi Arutla)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restricting posting...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909291212180.26486-100000@naur.csee.wvu.edu>

Hi there,

Is there any way to restrict the posting to a list by only certain members
of the list. Any help is appreciated. Thank You.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keerthi K Arutla
Assistant System Admin.
Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
West Virginia University

pH:  304-293-0405 X 2575 (O)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------





From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Wed Sep 29 18:38:16 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:38:16 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Exim HOWTO document
Message-ID: <E11WMkC-00035q-00@rioja.localnet>

[Copy sent separately to both exim and mailman lists]

I updated and cleaned up my HOWTO information for using exim & mailman 
together and put it up on the exim web site.  The exim list is now 
using *exactly* that configuration (copied and pasted from the howto) 
for its list settings, so I am reasonably confident that I didn't break 
something stupidly when copying :-)

Any comments, corrections or additions on this can be sent directly to 
me.

The URL for the HOWTO is
	http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html

For completeness, Mailman info is at
	http://www.list.org/

and exim information is at
	http://www.exim.org/

The mailing lists and archives for each are linked off their main pages.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From eparker at mindsec.com  Wed Sep 29 20:28:45 1999
From: eparker at mindsec.com (Erik Parker)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:28:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can you have a standard blurb at end of each
 message?
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990928111940.00913e10@mail.goodnews.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9909291228300.17519-100000@noella.mindsec.com>


There is a big window to put in the footer in the web interface. You can't
miss it.. or perhaps you can :)

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Timothy G. Wells wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> So far so good ...!! But how can I have a standard blurb at the end of each
> posting? I would like to be able to update that blurb on a per list basis.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- Tim
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 


Erik Parker
eparker at mindsec.com




From jacob at ead.dk  Wed Sep 29 22:11:40 1999
From: jacob at ead.dk (Jacob Gorm Hansen)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:11:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost connection after CONNECT from localhost[127.0.0.1]
Message-ID: <37F2727C.4C04AE08@ead.dk>

Hi,

I get this strange error when running mailman with postfix. 
the smptlog says:

Sep 29 23:49:15 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To paleface at ns.enterprisead.dk:
Sep 29 23:49:15 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: 	 socket.error  / host not found 
(deferred)
Sep 29 23:49:15 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:  Maybe your MTA daemon needs
restarting?

and the maillog:

Sep 29 23:49:02 net postfix/smtpd[7975]: connect from
unknown[195.184.42.130]
Sep 29 23:49:02 net postfix/smtpd[7975]: 92D8B19049:
client=unknown[195.184.42.130]
Sep 29 23:49:02 net postfix/cleanup[7976]: 92D8B19049:
message-id=<199909292008.WAA27129 at ns.enterprisead.dk>
Sep 29 23:49:02 net postfix/qmgr[7972]: 92D8B19049:
from=<paleface at ns.enterprisead.dk>, size=538 (queue active)
Sep 29 23:49:02 net postfix/smtpd[7975]: disconnect from
unknown[195.184.42.130]
Sep 29 23:49:15 net postfix/smtpd[7975]: connect from
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 29 23:49:15 net postfix/smtpd[7975]: lost connection after CONNECT
from localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 29 23:49:15 net postfix/smtpd[7975]: disconnect from
localhost[127.0.0.1]
Sep 29 23:49:16 net postfix/local[7978]: 92D8B19049:
to=<infpsyk-request at melon.dk>, relay=local, delay=14, status=sent
("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd infpsyk")


It seems strange, normal mail to and from the machine works fine.

Please CC any replies, as I'm not on the list yet.


TIA
Jacob



From will at connectcorp.net  Wed Sep 29 23:33:48 1999
From: will at connectcorp.net (Will Leaver)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:33:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some subscribers receiving multiple copies
Message-ID: <001f01bf0ac2$51100200$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net>

Help!

Some of our subscribers are reporting receiving 2, 3, or even 4 copies of
each post.

Can anyone help?

Will Leaver





From jacob at ead.dk  Thu Sep 30 01:20:45 1999
From: jacob at ead.dk (Jacob Gorm Hansen)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:20:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Malformed return email address
Message-ID: <37F29ECD.AF55A6D2@ead.dk>

Hmm... almost there I think, except the way return addresses are
generated "infpsyk-request at .melon.dk". I have no idea where the extra
"." comes from, has anyone experienced this kind of error before??

The relevant part of the maillog is below, please CC any replies as I'm
not on the list yet.

Thanks,
Jacob


Sep 30 03:01:24 net postfix/smtpd[9092]: connect from
net[130.226.169.211]
Sep 30 03:01:25 net postfix/smtpd[9092]: 9A6131904D:
client=net[130.226.169.211]Sep 30 03:01:26 net postfix/cleanup[9093]:
9A6131904D: message-id=<19990930010125.9A6131904D at net.melon.dk>
Sep 30 03:01:26 net postfix/qmgr[8909]: 9A6131904D:
from=<infpsyk-request at .melon.dk>, size=1309 (queue active)
Sep 30 03:01:26 net postfix/smtpd[9092]: disconnect from
net[130.226.169.211]
Sep 30 03:01:26 net postfix/local[9095]: 332151904A:
to=<infpsyk-request at melon.dk>, relay=local, delay=15, status=sent
("|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd infpsyk")

Sep 30 03:01:27 net postfix/smtp[9098]: 9A6131904D:
to=<paleface at ns.enterprisead.dk>,
relay=ns.enterprisead.dk[195.184.42.130], delay=2, status=bounced (host
ns.enterprisead.dk[195.184.42.130] said: 553
<infpsyk-request at .melon.dk>... invalid host name)
Sep 30 03:01:27 net postfix/cleanup[9093]: CB88C1904E:
message-id=<19990930010127.CB88C1904E at net.melon.dk>
Sep 30 03:01:28 net postfix/qmgr[8909]: CB88C1904E: from=<>, size=2552
(queue active)
Sep 30 03:01:28 net postfix/qmgr[8909]: warning: valid_hostname:
misplaced delimiter: .melon.dk
Sep 30 03:01:28 net postfix/qmgr[8909]: CB88C1904E:
to=<infpsyk-admin at .melon.dk>, relay=none, delay=1, status=bounced (bad
host/domain syntax: ".melon.dk")



From Danielle.Moorhead at ericsson.com.au  Thu Sep 30 02:55:42 1999
From: Danielle.Moorhead at ericsson.com.au (Danielle Moorhead (EPA))
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:55:42 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman generated password sometimes incorrect.
Message-ID: <4B6BC00CD15FD2119E5F0008C7A419A5038AE939@brpc512.epa.ericsson.se>

Hello all,
I'm hoping someone can help me, I'm having a problem with the mailman
generated passwords created when I mass subscribe people.  When each
subscriber gets their welcome email containing their password, I have found
that occasionally this password is incorrect.  One of my subscribers tried
to change his digest option, to find that he couldn't because the password
sent to him was incorrect.  I checked this by going into his subscription
and trying to unsubscribe him and his password was definitely incorrect.  I
also tried to check if this occurred with all generic passwords by
subscribing myself to the list via the mass subscription area, to find that
the password mailman sent me was correct and I could use it to unsubscribe.
So it doesn't happen all the time, just for occasional subscribers.

Has anyone else had instances where their generated password has not worked,
and what have you done to remedy this?

Thanks,
Danielle.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
Danielle Moorhead
Ericsson Global Support - Information Services

Telephone: +613 9301 1613
Facsimile: +613 9301 4511
Email: danielle.moorhead at ericsson.com.au




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Thu Sep 30 10:46:35 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:46:35 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some subscribers receiving multiple copies 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Will Leaver" <will@connectcorp.net> 
   of "Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:33:48 PDT." <001f01bf0ac2$51100200$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net> 
Message-ID: <E11WbrH-0003zk-00@rioja.localnet>

 
will at connectcorp.net said:
> Some of our subscribers are reporting receiving 2, 3, or even 4 copies
> of each post. 

I've seen very occasional examples of this on our list running mailman 
1.0.  The headers show that the duplication is occurring at the point 
where mailman injects the message into the MTA for delivery to the list 
subscribers.

I've just checked yesterdays logs and found one message that did this.  
In this case the final mail injection was duplicated - ie mailman 
injected the message 5 times to a different set of subscribers, and 
then injected it twice with the same recipient list each time.

There is no indication of problems in the mailman logs.

The injects were spread over a 5 or so minute period, with the last 2 
(duplicated) injects done 2.5 minutes apart.  The machine would have 
been quite heavily loaded around that time - there was a message still 
in the process of injection by mailman when the second arrived and a 
few messages in the mailq.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From digulla at hepe.com  Thu Sep 30 10:44:14 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:44:14 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some subscribers receiving multiple copies
In-Reply-To: <001f01bf0ac2$51100200$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net>; from Will Leaver on Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 02:33:48PM -0700
References: <001f01bf0ac2$51100200$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net>
Message-ID: <19990930104414.K5171@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 02:33:48PM -0700, Will Leaver wrote:

> Some of our subscribers are reporting receiving 2, 3, or even 4 copies of
> each post.
> Can anyone help?

Check that only one MTA (sendmail or similar)
is running. If several are running, then this can happen
because one of them can delete the mails from the send queue
while the others can only send the mails.

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Thu Sep 30 13:36:50 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:36:50 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and debian
Message-ID: <19990930123650.F1822@imaginet.co.uk>

Hi.
	I'm using the mailman release supplied with the current stable
debian distribution. The package version is:
ii  mailman         1.0rc2-5       Powerful, web based list processor

       The problem I'm having is that I've partially but not
completely got mailman working. I can create a newlist with 'newlist',
subscribe to it, post stuff, all that. I can subscribe via the
web. But if I try to go to the web admin page, going to the url
supplied in the mail sent when the list was created, I get a
'premature end of script headers' message. I've read the FAQ about
possible uid/gid problems, but reading the logs doesn't produce any of
the syslog messages I'm warned to be looking for. All I can find in
syslog or the apache logs is the 'premature end of script headers'
message that I already know about (in the apache error log).



From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Thu Sep 30 14:03:00 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:03:00 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and debian
In-Reply-To: <19990930123650.F1822@imaginet.co.uk>; from Michael Stevens on Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 12:36:50PM +0100
References: <19990930123650.F1822@imaginet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <19990930130300.K1822@imaginet.co.uk>

On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 12:36:50PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote:
> Hi.
> 	I'm using the mailman release supplied with the current stable
> debian distribution. The package version is:
> ii  mailman         1.0rc2-5       Powerful, web based list processor
>        The problem I'm having is that I've partially but not
> completely got mailman working. I can create a newlist with 'newlist',
> subscribe to it, post stuff, all that. I can subscribe via the
> web. But if I try to go to the web admin page, going to the url
> supplied in the mail sent when the list was created, I get a
> 'premature end of script headers' message. I've read the FAQ about
> possible uid/gid problems, but reading the logs doesn't produce any of
> the syslog messages I'm warned to be looking for. All I can find in
> syslog or the apache logs is the 'premature end of script headers'
> message that I already know about (in the apache error log).

Following up on myself, the problem was an invalid cookie somewhere,
as it went away when I was advised to try trashing my cookies file and
did so.



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Thu Sep 30 14:56:48 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] y2k...
Message-ID: <199909301250.IAA01924@mail.scansoft.com>

is there a y2k statement for Mailman somewhere that I can point my IT dept.
to?

Thanks,

J.



From mentor at alb-net.com  Thu Sep 30 17:45:39 1999
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] version 1.0 vs. 1.0.2
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909301142390.5127-100000@alb-net.com>

Hi,

After installing mailman at the bottom of my mailing list pages it says it
is version 1.0. 

However, it seems as this list runs on v 1.0.2 . 
Look at the bottom of: 
http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

Can someone explain what the difference is if any? 
Is 1.0.2 the latest release?

later,
Mentor




From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Sep 30 20:01:50 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:01:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] version 1.0 vs. 1.0.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909301142390.5127-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990930135839.00b8ab30@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:45 AM 9/30/99 -0400, Mentor Cana wrote:
>Is 1.0.2 the latest release?

1.0.2 is the latest version of the CVS code pool.  It's what developers and
testers are using if they're brave.  Not many changes; a couple of attempts
and improving the perfomance of the archiver, and a new portable locking manager
are the main things.  I have 1.0.2 up on my test machine and 1.0.1 on my production
machine.
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From bora at employees.org  Thu Sep 30 20:35:31 1999
From: bora at employees.org (Matthew Kaing)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:35:31 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman vs. majordomo + majorcool
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990930135839.00b8ab30@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <NDBBJINJGGCKFKLCJLOAAECEDCAA.bora@employees.org>

Hi, I am trying to do a comparison b/w mailman and. majordomo + majorcool.
Does anyone have a good comparison of the two products?

Thanks,
Matthew
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