From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Fri Oct  1 00:06:03 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:06:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] version 1.0 vs. 1.0.2
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909301142390.5127-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <14323.57035.414827.673754@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "MC" == Mentor Cana <mentor at alb-net.com> writes:

    MC> Can someone explain what the difference is if any? 
    MC> Is 1.0.2 the latest release?

I'm using the minor-minor rev number when there are milestones in the
CVS snapshot.  Because my life's not exciting enough, I usually run
the latest snapshot on python.org :)  My intent is that releases will
always be numbered x.y and betas for x.y+1 will be numbered x.y.z.

-Barry



From nally at physics.ubc.ca  Fri Oct  1 01:38:37 1999
From: nally at physics.ubc.ca (Christian Nally)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:38:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me make my warnings go away.
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.02A.9909301413370.27134-100000@physics.ubc.ca>

Dear Mailman Makers,

GREAT PROGRAM! Running mailing lists was the reason I got into linux oh so
long ago. Mailman is the tool that we all needed all those years.
Congradulations! (kudos to majordomo required at this point... :)



Dear Mailman Users,

I have a simple problem. But I just can't find the switch to fix it.
I get this warning in pink at the top of an admin page.

>>
Warning: you have lst members, but non-digestified mail is turned off.
They will receive mail until you fix this problem.
>>

I copied and pasted that, so it's shown as-is. I don't quite understand
the message actually. Should 'lst' be list? I have many members all set to
receive non-digest (that is normal mail). Why would it be a problem if
they got mail? The list seems to be functioning normally.

The real questions are these:

Where are the switches to enable and disable mail types?

What do I have to do to get this warning to go away?



THANKS ALL...

Christian Nally





From reichart at palmconsult.de  Fri Oct  1 10:20:38 1999
From: reichart at palmconsult.de (PalmConsult Markus Reichart)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:20:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] monthly reminder seems to overload our machine
In-Reply-To: <14323.57035.414827.673754@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909301142390.5127-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19991001094124.02de3970@mail.palmconsult.de>

Hello to all,

We running Mailman 1.0 using sendmail on SuSe 6.0 with 1200 users in one
mailinglist.
On every 1th of a month I see the same trouble:

mailman/logs/smtp-failures says:
Oct 01 05:00:19 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To xxx at fh-wolfenbuettel.de:
Oct 01 05:00:19 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected  / Connecti
......eight error messages like above...
Oct 01 05:00:19 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To xxx at mgi.de:
Oct 01 05:00:19 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:    socket.error  / (111, 'Connection
refused')  (deferred) 
.... hundreds of error messages like above...

Mail to the listadmin:
Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/home/mailman/logs/smtp-failures'> 
Traceback (innermost last): 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f 
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files') 
Original log message: 
(24, 'Too many open files') 
Oct 01 05:12:10 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To xxx at tronet.de: 
Oct 01 05:12:10 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / host not found (deferred) 
Oct 01 05:12:10 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting? 
Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/home/mailman/logs/error'> 
Traceback (innermost last): 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f 
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files') 
Original log message: 
(24, 'Too many open files') 
Oct 01 05:12:10 1999 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/home/mailman/data/mm_q.24864.247 failed: 
Oct 01 05:12:10 1999 processQueue: exceptions.IOError / (24, 'Too many open
files') 
Logging error: <StampedLogger to '/home/mailman/logs/error'> 
Traceback (innermost last): 
File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 55, in __get_f 
IOError: (24, 'Too many open files') 
Original log message: 
(24, 'Too many open files') 
Oct 01 05:12:10 1999 processQueue: Processing of queue file
/home/mailman/data/mm_q.24864.248 failed: 
Oct 01 05:12:10 1999 processQueue: exceptions.IOError / (24, 'Too many open
files') 


I appreciate any help/hints/advice to solve this problem.

Thanks

          Markus





From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Fri Oct  1 12:28:21 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:28:21 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list memberships reminders
In-Reply-To: <v04020a86b419e60446e0@[128.253.120.24]>
References: <199909302056.GAA08231@hiro.netizen.com.au> <v04020a86b419e60446e0@[128.253.120.24]>
Message-ID: <19991001202821.D19409@tertius.net.au>

The membership reminder notices are being sent out with
wrong List-Id fields on them ...

Since they potentially have entries from multiple lists,
should they have a List-Id at all?

bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: There are only two ways to live your life.  One is as though
: nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a
: miracle.  -- Albert Einstein



From digulla at hepe.com  Fri Oct  1 12:50:19 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:50:19 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending admin requests
Message-ID: <19991001125019.I21506@sebigbos.hepe.com>

Why does Mailman show all pending request at one time when one can
process only one at a time ?

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From digulla at hepe.com  Fri Oct  1 12:52:28 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:52:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with subscribed users
In-Reply-To: <19990923150847.G22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>; from Aaron Optimizer Digulla on Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 03:08:47PM +0200
References: <19990920135210.L7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990920174317.A7943@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990922153903.J12634@sebigbos.hepe.com> <00d301bf0504$9cb8ad60$9a1968d8@JORDAN> <19990922161725.D22523@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990923150556.F22523@sebigbos.hepe.com> <19990923150847.G22523@sebigbos.hepe.com>
Message-ID: <19991001125227.J21506@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Thu, Sep 23, 1999 at 03:08:47PM +0200, Aaron Optimizer Digulla wrote:

> > Sep 23 05:13:42 1999 post: envsend: Stefan.Berger at att.net, sender: root
> > Why is sender wrong sometimes ?
> Here is a header for which mailman says the sender is "root":
>[...]

It seems it's a problem with Netscape: Netscape will add a Sender: field
to the mail header and if one exists, Mailman will use it (instead of
>From or From:) no matter what it contains. Can you change mailman to
remove that field from the mail header when it sees the mail for the
first time ?

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Fri Oct  1 14:04:50 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:04:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still want to know about Y2K compliance
Message-ID: <004501bf0c05$29da37c0$0426e8c7@monica.threeofus.com>

I need to have some kind of 'cert' that mailman is y2k compliant.  I didn't
find anything on the mailman website.

If I can't provide this, I'm afraid I won't be allowed to 'keep' it by our
new IT director.

Please help!

Thanks,
J.




From waarde at glo.be  Fri Oct  1 14:28:50 1999
From: waarde at glo.be (Karel van der Waarde)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:28:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list memberships reminders
Message-ID: <199910011227.OAA10312@carno.brus.online.be>

Dear all,

I have switched the 'monthly membership reminders' off for both my lists.

Does this affect Mailman's bounce-behaviour?
(Are the bounces to these 'monthly reminders' essential for the automatic
bounce control?)

Kind regards,
Karel van der Waarde
waarde at glo.be





From digulla at hepe.com  Fri Oct  1 14:28:38 1999
From: digulla at hepe.com (Aaron Optimizer Digulla)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:28:38 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still want to know about Y2K compliance
In-Reply-To: <004501bf0c05$29da37c0$0426e8c7@monica.threeofus.com>; from Joshua S. Freeman on Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:04:50AM -0400
Message-ID: <19991001142838.L21506@sebigbos.hepe.com>

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 08:04:50AM -0400, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> I need to have some kind of 'cert' that mailman is y2k compliant.  I didn't
> find anything on the mailman website.
> If I can't provide this, I'm afraid I won't be allowed to 'keep' it by our
> new IT director.

*THIS IS NO LEGAL STATEMENT. IF ANYONE IS HARMED IN ANY WAY BY WHAT IS
SAID BELOW, THEN I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE* :-)

Mailman reads times from your mail system, so if that is y2k compliant,
there *should* be no problems. Python itself should also be y2k compliant
(see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw.py?query=y2k&querytype=anykeywords&casefold=yes&req=search).

See this URL also for an explanation why there is no "cert": If someone
would say "Mailman is compliant" and some obscure bug shows up, that
person would be liable for this (and that could end up in large sues
for damages).

-- 
Aaron "Optimizer" Digulla             Team AMIGA     AROS Head of Development
Author of XDME, ResTrackLib, CInt.		       <http://www.aros.org/>
"(to) optimize: Make a program faster by improving the algorithms rather than
by buying a faster machine."				   <digulla at hepe.com>



From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Fri Oct  1 15:29:38 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:29:38 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending admin requests 
In-Reply-To: Message from Aaron Optimizer Digulla <digulla@hepe.com> 
   of "Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:50:19 +0200." <19991001125019.I21506@sebigbos.hepe.com> 
Message-ID: <E11X2kk-00064w-00@rioja.localnet>

digulla at hepe.com said:
> Why does Mailman show all pending request at one time when one can
> process only one at a time ?

You can do all at once - mark all the radio buttons, and hit the top 
submit and it works.

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From brianm at rain.com  Fri Oct  1 07:39:59 1999
From: brianm at rain.com (Brian Mulvaney)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 06:39:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>

I moderate a reasonably active discussion list with about 1,000 subscribers
(currently on Post.Office).  I would like to move my list to Mailman,
however, I'm not really set up to run it in house.  Is anyone aware of any
ISPs that host Mailman on a commercial basis?

TIA,

Brian

P.S.  If I were to run Mailman in house (literally in my house) I'd have to
contend with a line speed of 128k to the net.  I'm wondering if this would
pose a troublesome bottleneck and would love feedback from anyone running
Mailman across 128k ISDN.



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Fri Oct  1 16:06:41 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:06:41 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list memberships reminders, bounces
References: <199910011227.OAA10312@carno.brus.online.be>
Message-ID: <99100109092301.09732@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu>

On Fri, 01 Oct 1999, Karel  wrote:
> I have switched the 'monthly membership reminders' off for both my lists.
> 
> Does this affect Mailman's bounce-behaviour?
> (Are the bounces to these 'monthly reminders' essential for the automatic
> bounce control?)

On a related note, I was wondering why the bounces for the monthly
reminders are sent to mailman-owner (just an alias to me) instead of to a
bounce handler.  It seems that this is a great opportunity to do a monthly
membership probe for low-traffic lists, but as far as I can tell MM is
none the wiser for the 30 error messages that show up in my mailbox.

Any thoughts, or is this something that is being looked into for later?

--chris

--
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
 Christopher G. Kolar
   Director of Instructional Technology
   Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois
 ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu
        [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72]




From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Fri Oct  1 16:10:51 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:10:51 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] feature requests
Message-ID: <99100109180002.09732@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu>

While beating on the documentation a few things came to mind.

1.  Any chance that the monthly reminder can be used by a bounce handler
script as a membership probe (good for low-volume lists).  Right now I
just get N bounce messages as mailman-owner but I do not see that the list
manager ever gets the information.

2.  How about adding an "invite" feature like on some of the commercial
list providers.  The invite would be non-binding, but a simple reply would
add the person to the list (I suppose that it would use most of the same
code that the sub-confirmation bits use).  See listbot and egroups if you
do not know what I am talking about.

3.  How about a chunk of html code that can be dropped into a web page
that would allow a person to just type in their e-mail and click to make a
sub request (also something that listbot/egroups do).  The request could
be handled like a normal sub request with a confirmation request being
sent out to the e-mail address that was entered.  Is this already possible
by hacking the listinfo page to remove everything but the field for e-mail
address and the submit button?  I deal with a lot of novice users and I
would like to take out a lot of the verbiage and the initial password
setting.

Cheers,

--chris


--
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
 Christopher G. Kolar
   Director of Instructional Technology
   Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois
 ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu
        [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72]




From jerrya at fastrans.net  Fri Oct  1 16:17:43 1999
From: jerrya at fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:17:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910010909170.10763-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Brian Mulvaney wrote:

> I moderate a reasonably active discussion list with about 1,000 subscribers
> (currently on Post.Office).  I would like to move my list to Mailman,
> however, I'm not really set up to run it in house.  Is anyone aware of any
> ISPs that host Mailman on a commercial basis?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Brian
> 
> P.S.  If I were to run Mailman in house (literally in my house) I'd have to
> contend with a line speed of 128k to the net.  I'm wondering if this would
> pose a troublesome bottleneck and would love feedback from anyone running
> Mailman across 128k ISDN.

I run a list with 65-85 users on it from my apartment over a 33.6 modem.
In my sendmail.cf, I have set up the smart relay to use my ISP's smtp
server. That way, only one copy goes through the line and it only takes a
few seconds for normal messages.

In my sendmail.cf, there is an entry like this:

# Smart host
DSsmtp.isp.com
# Use this mailer to reach the Smart host
DNesmtp


where smtp.isp.com would be my ISP, which can use esmtp. YMMV.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Fri Oct  1 16:24:10 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:24:10 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>; from Brian Mulvaney on Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 06:39:59AM +0100
References: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
Message-ID: <19991001152410.A20985@imaginet.co.uk>

On Fri, Oct 01, 1999 at 06:39:59AM +0100, Brian Mulvaney wrote:
> I moderate a reasonably active discussion list with about 1,000 subscribers
> (currently on Post.Office).  I would like to move my list to Mailman,
> however, I'm not really set up to run it in house.  Is anyone aware of any
> ISPs that host Mailman on a commercial basis?
> P.S.  If I were to run Mailman in house (literally in my house) I'd have to
> contend with a line speed of 128k to the net.  I'm wondering if this would
> pose a troublesome bottleneck and would love feedback from anyone running
> Mailman across 128k ISDN.

I'm using mailman for hosting of a few very small lists over a similar
line and have not yet hit any problems. I don't think it's very
mailman specific -- if you can send that volume of mail in the normal
way via the line, you can with mailman, and vice versa, as far as I'm aware.



From David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk  Fri Oct  1 16:29:25 1999
From: David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk (David Osborne)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:29:25 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list memberships reminders, bounces 
In-Reply-To: Message from ckolar@admin.aurora.edu of 1 Oct 1999 9:06:41 CDT
Message-ID: <1215.938788165@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>

Christopher Kolar writes [1 Oct 1999 9:06:41 CDT]:

> On a related note, I was wondering why the bounces for the monthly
> reminders are sent to mailman-owner (just an alias to me) instead of to a
> bounce handler.

At the very least, they should be sent to the owner of the appropriate list. 
Also, the bounces I received today all had the *same* List-id header, 
regardless of which list they related to (this is with Mailman 1.0, running 
with Exim on a Solaris 7 system).

David

-- 
David Osborne                            Postmaster at nottingham.ac.uk
Postmaster                      phone/voicemail: +44 (0)115 951 3397
University of Nottingham, UK





From jogorman at worldmediaco.net  Fri Oct  1 19:37:35 1999
From: jogorman at worldmediaco.net (O'Gorman, James)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:37:35 -0500 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Install problems
Message-ID: <20395F545E36D311ACD6006008C0A3873EA425@EXCHANGE>

I am having some problems getting mailman up and going on a new install. I
have gone through the install process twice, troubleshooted like mad, etc,
etc. And it is still not going. I am sure there is something basic I am
missing, and I will look like a fool after I post this, but we will see what
happens.

Box is FreeBSD 3.3, MTA is postfix. I followed the directions on getting the
mail-gid for postfix, and ran configure using it.

My errors are as follows:

Out of mailman's smtp-errors file I see:

Oct 01 12:12:00 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To user at domian.com:
Oct 01 12:12:00 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:    socket.error  / host not found
(deferred)
Oct 01 12:12:00 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:  Maybe your MTA daemon needs
restarting?

In my /var/log/maillog I get:

Oct  1 12:12:00 listserv postfix/smtpd[5276]: disconnect from
localhost[127.0.0.1
]
Oct  1 12:12:00 listserv postfix/smtpd[5277]: lost connection after CONNECT
from localhost[127.0.0.1]

Any one with any ideas?

Thanks.

Jim



From tgrace at thestar.ca  Fri Oct  1 20:27:47 1999
From: tgrace at thestar.ca (Grace, Terry)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:27:47 -0400 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] run_queue problem
Message-ID: <B3AA75A19260D3118F3B00902798992B6BB0@MAIL2>

Has anyone seen this or know how to fix?

our "cron" job on snoopy
/usr/local/bin/python /opt/mailman/cron/run_queue

produced the following output:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/opt/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/opt/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/opt/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 119, in lock
    os.link(self.lockfile, self.tmpfname)
OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory


The box is Solaris 7 x86 with the latest set of patches. Python is 1.52 and
Mailman is 1.0

TIA for any help



From jfreeman at scansoft.com  Fri Oct  1 21:20:06 1999
From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] FW: list.scansoft.com mailing list memberships reminder
Message-ID: <001101bf0c41$f859b760$0426e8c7@monica.threeofus.com>

It seems that some unsubscribed people on our list(s) are still getting the
monthly password reminder.

How can I make sure that someone's email address is deleted from the
password reminder database?

Thanks,

J.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Parks [mailto:TRParks at home.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 10:22 AM
To: jfreeman at scansoft.com
Subject: Fw: list.scansoft.com mailing list memberships reminder


Last month I contacted you again about being unable to unsubscribe to these
messages.  You insisted again that my name did not appear on your subsciber
lists, but that you would contact the maker of your mail software.  Nothing
seems to have been accomplished, because here is the monthly message yet
again.  Are you looking at the right computers?

- Tom Parks  (trparks at home.com)

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailman-owner at list.scansoft.com>
To: <trparks at home.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 3:08 AM
Subject: list.scansoft.com mailing list memberships reminder


> This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your
> list.scansoft.com mailing list memberships.  It includes your
> subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a
> list.
>
> You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or
> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
> or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>
> In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such
> changes.  For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of
> the list (for example, paperport-win32-request at list.scansoft.com)
> containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email
> message will be sent to you with instructions.
>
> If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to
> mailman-owner at list.scansoft.com.  Thanks!
>
> Passwords for trparks at home.com:
>
> List                                     Password // URL
> ----                                     --------
> paperport-win32 at list.scansoft.com        kimosabe
> http://list.scansoft.com/mailman/options/paperport-win32/trparks at home.com





From jdandrea at att.com  Fri Oct  1 21:38:26 1999
From: jdandrea at att.com (Joe D'Andrea)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 15:38:26 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Failed to access config info?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.05.9910011536580.25919-100000@fuller.ims.att.com>

Clue needed:

Oct  1 15:39:44 myhostname qmail: 938806784.408886 delivery 17335: deferral: Traceback_(innermost_last):/__File_"/home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd",_line_49,_in_?/____list_=_MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_61,_in___init__/____self.Load()/__File_"/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py",_line_802,_in_Load/____raise_Errors.MMBadListError,_'Failed_to_access_config_info'/MMBadListError:_Failed_to_access_config_info/

Wha'd I goof?

--
Joe D'Andrea
AT&T Laboratories




From claw at varesearch.com  Sat Oct  2 00:51:39 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:51:39 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Pending admin requests 
In-Reply-To: Message from Aaron Optimizer Digulla <digulla@hepe.com> 
   of "Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:50:19 +0200." <19991001125019.I21506@sebigbos.hepe.com> 
Message-ID: <E11XBWd-0006lz-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:50:19 +0200 
Aaron Optimizer Digulla <digulla at hepe.com> wrote:

> Why does Mailman show all pending request at one time when one can
> process only one at a time ?

Perhaps because you can process them all at the same time?  Just
click accept/reject/discard on all of them and _then_ hit SUBMIT.

-- 
J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From claw at varesearch.com  Sat Oct  2 00:53:51 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:53:51 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Brian Mulvaney <brianm@rain.com> 
   of "Fri, 01 Oct 1999 06:39:59 BST." <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com> 
Message-ID: <E11XBYm-0006me-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 06:39:59 +0100 
Brian Mulvaney <brianm at rain.com> wrote:

> I moderate a reasonably active discussion list with about 1,000
> subscribers (currently on Post.Office).  I would like to move my
> list to Mailman, however, I'm not really set up to run it in
> house.  Is anyone aware of any ISPs that host Mailman on a
> commercial basis?

What is the list topic?

> P.S.  If I were to run Mailman in house (literally in my house)
> I'd have to contend with a line speed of 128k to the net.  I'm
> wondering if this would pose a troublesome bottleneck and would
> love feedback from anyone running Mailman across 128k ISDN.

My experience, in running MailMan across at 56K line for a
subscriber base of ~300 and ~20 posts per day, was that it worked
just fine.  It is a *LOT* easier if you can get your ISP to
smarthost for you, but its not necessary.

-- 
J C Lawrence      Life: http://www.kanga.nu/   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From larson at Agouron.COM  Sat Oct  2 05:55:45 1999
From: larson at Agouron.COM (Veda Larson)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:55:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] python error in newlist
Message-ID: <199910020355.UAA20417@compchem.agouron.com>

Dear Mailman developers,

I've just installed Mailman, following the directions in the INSTALL
file, but I have gotten stuck in "6. Getting started".

When I try to create a test list using ~mailman/bin/newlist, I get a
python error, which I've included below.  There are no corresponding
entries in the syslog.

I would appreciate any help that you can give to get this working.

Thanks!  -- Veda Larson
___________________________________________________________________________

% ./newlist
Enter the name of the list: test
Enter the email of the person running the list: larson at agouron.com
Initial test password: ********
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "./newlist", line 146, in ?
    raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv))
  File "./newlist", line 93, in main
    newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw)
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 724, in Create
    self.Lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1379, in Lock
    self._lock_file.lock('w|', 1)
  File "/usr/share/Python-1.5.2/Lib/posixfile.py", line 192, in lock
    flock = fcntl.fcntl(self._file_.fileno(), cmd, flock)
IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument

My operating system is Mac OS X Server:
% uname -a
Rhapsody compchem 5.3 Kernel Release 5.3: Wed Mar  3 00:37:58 PST 1999; root(rcbuilder):Objects/kernel-154.5.obj~2/RELEASE_PPC Copyright (c) 1988-1995,1997-1999 Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved.  Power Macintosh

My Python version is 1.5.2.



From tomas at euronetics.se  Sat Oct  2 20:05:52 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:05:52 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still want to know about Y2K compliance
References: <004501bf0c05$29da37c0$0426e8c7@monica.threeofus.com>
Message-ID: <37F64980.B3BEDBDC@euronetics.se>

"Joshua S. Freeman" wrote:
> 
> I need to have some kind of 'cert' that mailman is y2k compliant.  I didn't
> find anything on the mailman website.
> 
> If I can't provide this, I'm afraid I won't be allowed to 'keep' it by our
> new IT director.

Excuse me, but your IT director is not thinking straight, IMHO. How
would he expect to get any kind of y2k statement or "certification"
(sic) from individuals who are volunteering their free time to a
common cause, in this case open source software? If he (or rather
your employer) was prepared to PAY somebody for issuing such a
statement, now that would be a whole different thing. But he can not
expect get THAT for free.

I run quite a few machines loaded with free software. Y2k is only
months away. I'm not a bit worried. I even don't spend time thinking
about it as a problem. Am I plain stupid or am I just more confident
with open source than proprietary code?

<tomas/>



From casey at ajalat.org  Sun Oct  3 02:23:38 1999
From: casey at ajalat.org (Casey Ajalat)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:23:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail archives threads are getting mixed up
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910022013030.8507-100000@salim.ajalat.org>

I've recently setup mailman for the first time and the install went
flawlessly.  However, after starting a few mailing lists I noticed that
some of the mail in the archive is getting mixed up under different
threads.  i.e. If two messages each with a different topic were sent and
others had to reply to either of those then in the archives I would see
something like this when sorting by threads:

* SUBJECT A
  * SUBJECT B
    * SUBJECT B
* SUBJECT A

Furthermore, clicking on each of the messages above (3rd line for example)
reveals the content of the second line (the line above it).  This all
started to happen when I approved two postings at the same time on a
moderated list.  I don't see this behavior on the non-moderated lists.

Second question:  Is there a way I can wipe the archived HTMLs and then
have the system rebuild them?  i.e. can I just delete the files:

archives/private/tb/1999-October/author.html
archives/private/tb/1999-October/date.html
archives/private/tb/1999-October/subject.html
archives/private/tb/1999-October/thread.html
archives/private/tb/1999-October/index.html

and have the system rebuild them?  Other ideas???

Casey




From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Sun Oct  3 02:17:06 1999
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 20:17:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
References: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
Message-ID: <14326.41090.886497.210355@trooper.velocet.net>

>>>>> "Brian" == Brian Mulvaney <brianm at rain.com> writes:

Brian> I moderate a reasonably active discussion list with about 1,000
Brian> subscribers (currently on Post.Office).  I would like to move
Brian> my list to Mailman, however, I'm not really set up to run it in
Brian> house.  Is anyone aware of any ISPs that host Mailman on a
Brian> commercial basis?

Velocet offers mailman services --- contact me if you're interested.

Brian> P.S.  If I were to run Mailman in house (literally in my house)
Brian> I'd have to contend with a line speed of 128k to the net.  I'm
Brian> wondering if this would pose a troublesome bottleneck and would
Brian> love feedback from anyone running Mailman across 128k ISDN.

I would expect that you simply need to know the bandwidth required by
your list.  If an average message is 25K (say) and you have 1000
subscribers, then each message consumes 25M of bandwidth.  A 128K line 
has about 1M per minute of "perfect" bandwidth, so in ideal conditions 
each message to the list would take 1/2 hour of your ISDN to serve.

In reality, SMTP is not that efficient, and I'd expect that 1 hour is
good fishing.

Dave.

-- 
============================================================================
|David Gilbert, Velocet Communications.       | Two things can only be     |
|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
=========================================================GLO================



From casey at ajalat.org  Sun Oct  3 13:16:14 1999
From: casey at ajalat.org (Casey Ajalat)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:16:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail archives threads are getting mixed up
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910022013030.8507-100000@salim.ajalat.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910030712400.7969-100000@ajalat.ne.mediaone.net>

More info,

I followed the FAQ for editing messages and rebuilding the
archives/private/listname directory but to no avail.  The directory still
gets built but the messages are not threaded properly.  i.e. new messages
are made as part of the thread for another message topic.

I looked at the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and the
messages do appear to be ok.  i.e. the subject lines are formatted
properly.

Any ideas what makes this happen?  Anyone experiencing the same thing?

Casey

On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, Casey Ajalat wrote:

> I've recently setup mailman for the first time and the install went
> flawlessly.  However, after starting a few mailing lists I noticed that
> some of the mail in the archive is getting mixed up under different
> threads.  i.e. If two messages each with a different topic were sent and
> others had to reply to either of those then in the archives I would see
> something like this when sorting by threads:
> 
> * SUBJECT A
>   * SUBJECT B
>     * SUBJECT B
> * SUBJECT A
> 
> Furthermore, clicking on each of the messages above (3rd line for example)
> reveals the content of the second line (the line above it).  This all
> started to happen when I approved two postings at the same time on a
> moderated list.  I don't see this behavior on the non-moderated lists.
> 
> Second question:  Is there a way I can wipe the archived HTMLs and then
> have the system rebuild them?  i.e. can I just delete the files:
> 
> archives/private/tb/1999-October/author.html
> archives/private/tb/1999-October/date.html
> archives/private/tb/1999-October/subject.html
> archives/private/tb/1999-October/thread.html
> archives/private/tb/1999-October/index.html
> 
> and have the system rebuild them?  Other ideas???
> 
> Casey
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca  Mon Oct  4 03:14:07 1999
From: jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Jun Ye)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 21:14:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost password
Message-ID: <199910040114.VAA395640@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>

Hi there,

I need advice urgently.
I own a list but I forgot my password.
Now there are tons of mails pending my approval.
How can I recover or change my password ?
Do I have to remove the list and create it again 
(too much typing) ?

I am also the system admin of the server.

Thanks.

Jun




From richard at linsup.com  Mon Oct  4 04:52:02 1999
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:52:02 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost password
In-Reply-To: <199910040114.VAA395640@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <000201bf0e13$6f186360$0200a8c0@perch>

You can reset the site password with the mmsitepass program.  It is in the
bin directory of the mailman installation.

You can use the site password where the admin password is asked for....

Richard.

Richard Ames
linsup.com, Sydney, Australia
Tel: +61 2 9144-6131
mailto:richard at linsup.com   http://www.linsup.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jun Ye
> Sent: Monday, 4 October 1999 11:14
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost password
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> I need advice urgently.
> I own a list but I forgot my password.
> Now there are tons of mails pending my approval.
> How can I recover or change my password ?
> Do I have to remove the list and create it again
> (too much typing) ?
>
> I am also the system admin of the server.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jun
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
>




From richard at linsup.com  Mon Oct  4 04:56:11 1999
From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:56:11 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost password
In-Reply-To: <199910040114.VAA395640@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <000001bf0e14$03a14a60$0200a8c0@perch>

>From the INSTALL file:

   - Create the site password using:

        % $prefix/bin/mmsitepass <your-site-password>

      This password can be used anywhere that individual user or
      mailing list administrator passwords are required, giving the
      mailman site administrator the ability to adjust these things
      when necessary.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Jun Ye
> Sent: Monday, 4 October 1999 11:14
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost password
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I need advice urgently.
> I own a list but I forgot my password.
> Now there are tons of mails pending my approval.
> How can I recover or change my password ?
> Do I have to remove the list and create it again 
> (too much typing) ?
> 
> I am also the system admin of the server.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jun
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 



From mentor at alb-net.com  Mon Oct  4 05:14:15 1999
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 23:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lost password
In-Reply-To: <199910040114.VAA395640@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9910032312320.5127-100000@alb-net.com>

Recreate the MAILMAN admin/site password using the "mmsitepass" and use
that one to log into any list. Then, you can change the password for the
list in question.

later,
mentor

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, at 21:14, Jun Ye wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I need advice urgently.
> I own a list but I forgot my password.
> Now there are tons of mails pending my approval.
> How can I recover or change my password ?
> Do I have to remove the list and create it again 
> (too much typing) ?
> 
> I am also the system admin of the server.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jun
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 




From dtype at linux.com  Mon Oct  4 23:30:33 1999
From: dtype at linux.com (M. Drew Streib)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 14:30:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrySMTP Delivery Failures
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910041429000.14453-100000@nin.vaspecialprojects.com>

On a known working mail server, mailman continues to log the following
errors on every post:

Oct 04 14:24:43 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['dtype at valinux.com']:
Oct 04 14:24:43 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: 	 socket.error  / host not found
(deferred)
Oct 04 14:24:43 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:  Maybe your MTA daemon needs
restarting?

Posts are archived, but never sent properly. I've spent awhile trying to
figure out this one, to no avail.

Any help?

-------
Drew Streib <streib at li.org> 408.542.5725

System Administrator, Linux International <dtype at li.org>
Information Architect, VA Linux Systems <dtype at valinux.com>
Senior Developer, Cold Storage <dtype at coldstorage.org>
Admirer, Occasional Programmer, Linux.com <dtype at linux.com>
Founder, Shok Media <dtype at shok.com>




From esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us  Tue Oct  5 01:29:50 1999
From: esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 19:29:50 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>

At 01:39 AM 10/1/1999 , Brian Mulvaney wrote:
>P.S.  If I were to run Mailman in house (literally in my house) I'd have to
>contend with a line speed of 128k to the net.  I'm wondering if this would
>pose a troublesome bottleneck and would love feedback from anyone running
>Mailman across 128k ISDN.

I run a series of mailman lists off of a 28.8 modem.  For the most part 
it's not a big deal.  Granted, most of my lists are fairly low activity 
but, we do get the occasional tempest in a teapot which means the mail 
queue fills up for a couple of hours as everyone busily swaps messages and 
then it calms down as they realize they're talking past each other.

If you are running a very active list, I suggest making friends with your 
ISP and asking very nicely for permission to relay through their mail 
host.  If you get the ok, then the loading on your line should be minimal.

--- eric


Eric S Johansson	esj at inguide.com	  esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us
This message was composed using NaturallySpeaking.




From jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca  Tue Oct  5 02:49:46 1999
From: jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Jun Ye)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:49:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason held:  Implicit destination
Message-ID: <199910050049.UAA609300@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>

Hi,

I just installed Mailman several days ago.
However, almost every post requires my "approval".
Pain !

Look at this:

Your authorization is required for a mailing list posting request
approval:

    List:         (list name)
    Reason held:  Implicit destination

All entries in the list are valid and complete email address.
Don't know what's implicit.

Any one can offer quick advice how to fix it ?
 
I want to say thank you to those people who answered my previous
question about how to deal with lost password. It helped a lot.

THANKS !!

Jun



From jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca  Tue Oct  5 04:46:23 1999
From: jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Jun Ye)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:46:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Reason for Implicit Destination
In-Reply-To: <199910050049.UAA609300@helios.physics.utoronto.ca> from "Jun Ye" at Oct 04, 1999 08:49:46 PM
Message-ID: <199910050246.WAA493041@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>

Hi

Me again. I THINK Ive found the reason for "Implicit destination"
now. But I don't know a good way to solve the problem.

I did some tests and found:
When a list contains sub-lists,
it always asks the owner (of the list) for approval to
deliver it to the list. And, it asks for approval to deliver
to EACH sub-list. So one post may require the owner(s) to
approve many times at different levels.
That is a real pain !

Hope some experts can tell me how to get arround.
Thanks !!!!


Jun


Jun Ye wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I just installed Mailman several days ago.
> However, almost every post requires my "approval".
> Pain !
> 
> Look at this:
> 
> Your authorization is required for a mailing list posting request
> approval:
> 
>     List:         (list name)
>     Reason held:  Implicit destination
> 
> All entries in the list are valid and complete email address.
> Don't know what's implicit.
> 
> Any one can offer quick advice how to fix it ?
>  
> I want to say thank you to those people who answered my previous
> question about how to deal with lost password. It helped a lot.
> 
> THANKS !!
> 
> Jun
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Tue Oct  5 11:41:24 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:41:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>; from Eric S. Johansson on Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 07:29:50PM -0400
References: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com> <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
Message-ID: <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk>

On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 07:29:50PM -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> If you are running a very active list, I suggest making friends with your 
> ISP and asking very nicely for permission to relay through their mail 
> host.  If you get the ok, then the loading on your line should be minimal.

Interesting. I thought relaying via your ISP's mail host was
practically compulsory for dialup accounts. I even know of ISPs for
which I think that's the only way to send email. Does anyone know if
this is a realistic view of the world, or am I sadly deluded by
happening to have encountered a few unusual ISPs?




From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Tue Oct  5 12:07:31 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:07:31 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Stevens <mstevens@imaginet.co.uk> 
   of "Tue, 05 Oct 1999 10:41:24 BST." <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk> 
Message-ID: <E11YRVL-0000cf-00@rioja.localnet>

mstevens at imaginet.co.uk said:
> Interesting. I thought relaying via your ISP's mail host was
> practically compulsory for dialup accounts. I even know of ISPs for
> which I think that's the only way to send email. Does anyone know if
> this is a realistic view of the world, or am I sadly deluded by
> happening to have encountered a few unusual ISPs?

In the UK at least, responsible ISPs running free services or services 
with minimal user authentication, force all outgoing SMTP traffic to be 
via their servers - either by blocking other SMTP or by redirecting it 
to their servers.  This is done to prevent the whack-a-mole spamming 
attacks, where a set of direct spam is sent out from a throw away 
account, which is then closed down but the sender has by then moved on 
through other accounts.

Freeserve, who I used to work for, also has a set of adaptive filters 
on their servers looking for spam runs and blocking them before the 
results get out.  This can falsely identify mailing list mail, so the 
policy was that if you want to run something like a mailing list you 
should discuss it with the technical staff and they could arrange for 
your list to be passed by the filters.  I would expect other 
responsible ISPs to have a similar policy.

The internet is not the friendly place it once was and ISPs need to be 
suspicious of their customers or have their own reputation dragged 
through the mud.

	Nigel.

-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From Robert at grapevine2.com  Tue Oct  5 13:51:00 1999
From: Robert at grapevine2.com (Robert)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:51:00 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timeout when adding new Email addresses
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991005074212.00b15d20@pop.gv2.com>

Hello,

I would like to know if there is a turnaround to deal with the timeout 
error message after I added few new Email addresses to the 30,000 Email 
addresses Mailing Management text box.

Even the timeout error message box appears on front of 
admin.cgi/mailinglist/members web page, the Email addresses are added to 
the mailing list. What's going on??

I have other mailing lists - 1000-3000 email addresses per mailing list, 
which works fine without any  errors. But, not this large 30,000 Email 
addresses.

Tech Info: This server has 160Mb RAM, 25Gb HD, AMD 350MHz CPU & 1Mb L2 
cache with 240Mb swap space running on RedHat Linux 6.0 version. The 30,000 
Email addresses with 25K text type per message would be processed 
completely by Mailman in 40 minutes. I am planning to upgrade this 
CPU/motherboard to use Athlon 500MHz CPU to cut the processing time into 
half or better.

Any ideas on what's wrong with the timeout problems? We are adding roughly 
300-400 new Email addresses every week, and would like to know if this 
Mailman is safe to handle larger mailing list (100,000 or more?).

Thanks,

Robert





From esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us  Tue Oct  5 15:06:46 1999
From: esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S. Johansson)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 09:06:46 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk>
References: <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
 <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
 <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991005085638.00b66970@harvee.billerica.ma.us>

At 05:41 AM 10/5/1999 , Michael Stevens wrote:
>On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 07:29:50PM -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> > If you are running a very active list, I suggest making friends with your
> > ISP and asking very nicely for permission to relay through their mail
> > host.  If you get the ok, then the loading on your line should be minimal.
>
>Interesting. I thought relaying via your ISP's mail host was
>practically compulsory for dialup accounts. I even know of ISPs for
>which I think that's the only way to send email. Does anyone know if
>this is a realistic view of the world, or am I sadly deluded by
>happening to have encountered a few unusual ISPs?

as others have pointed out, there are an increasing number of ISPs that do 
block port 25 access to all machines except for their relays.  Part of my 
business is Internet infrastructure consulting and I have a fairly major 
wholesale provider as one of my clients.  They are learning firsthand just 
how bad "free" Internet access customers can be when it comes to 
spamming.  They are in the process of locking down all of their pops and 
forcing everyone to relay through their mail servers.

This lock down of dial-up access is unfortunately very necessary but it 
really hurts small businesses/activists like myself that run servers at the 
end of a dial-up line.  There is an unfortunate tendency in the industry to 
categorize services as either cheap dial-up accounts connected to a single 
"client only" PC or expensive leased line accounts for folks with a big 
budget.  I'm finding it increasingly difficult to locate a middle tier of 
service supporting the intermittently connected server like I have here at 
Harvee.  This middle tier of service is essential for the widespread 
adoption of thin server technology such as the whistle box and others.

hmmm. smells like a market opportunity is arising.

--- eric

Eric S Johansson	esj at inguide.com	  esj at harvee.billerica.ma.us
This message was composed using NaturallySpeaking.




From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Tue Oct  5 15:13:44 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:13:44 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991005085638.00b66970@harvee.billerica.ma.us>; from Eric S. Johansson on Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 09:06:46AM -0400
References: <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us> <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com> <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us> <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.19991005085638.00b66970@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
Message-ID: <19991005141344.Y1430@imaginet.co.uk>

On Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 09:06:46AM -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> as others have pointed out, there are an increasing number of ISPs that do 
> block port 25 access to all machines except for their relays.  Part of my 
> business is Internet infrastructure consulting and I have a fairly major 
> wholesale provider as one of my clients.  They are learning firsthand just 
> how bad "free" Internet access customers can be when it comes to 
> spamming.  They are in the process of locking down all of their pops and 
> forcing everyone to relay through their mail servers.
> 
> This lock down of dial-up access is unfortunately very necessary but it 
> really hurts small businesses/activists like myself that run servers at the 
> end of a dial-up line.  There is an unfortunate tendency in the industry to 
> categorize services as either cheap dial-up accounts connected to a single 
> "client only" PC or expensive leased line accounts for folks with a big 
> budget.  I'm finding it increasingly difficult to locate a middle tier of 
> service supporting the intermittently connected server like I have here at 
> Harvee.  This middle tier of service is essential for the widespread 
> adoption of thin server technology such as the whistle box and others.

Interesting. I suspect it's seen differently in the UK due to the
non-availability of free local calls, making running servers off a
dialup line expensive anyway. However, I do find there are ISPs such
as Demon (www.demon.net) who seem willing to offer service useful for
the slightly more advanced user. 

What is a whistle box? I have visions of some ill defined object from
the early part of this century, which seems to be unlikely to be what
you are referring to.




From jerrya at fastrans.net  Tue Oct  5 15:18:28 1999
From: jerrya at fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:18:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910050814010.23747-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Michael Stevens wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 07:29:50PM -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> > If you are running a very active list, I suggest making friends with your 
> > ISP and asking very nicely for permission to relay through their mail 
> > host.  If you get the ok, then the loading on your line should be minimal.
> 
> Interesting. I thought relaying via your ISP's mail host was
> practically compulsory for dialup accounts. I even know of ISPs for
> which I think that's the only way to send email. Does anyone know if
> this is a realistic view of the world, or am I sadly deluded by
> happening to have encountered a few unusual ISPs?

My ISP ignored for over a year the fact that they allowed all relaying
from anywhere. They changed that (when they put up a different server) but
I don't see anything (technically or otherwise) that would keep customers
from relaying. I agree with Michael's view that it is part of the Service
that they Provide.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Tue Oct  5 15:44:20 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:44:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910050814010.23747-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>; from Jerry Adlersfluegel on Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 08:18:28AM -0500
References: <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk> <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910050814010.23747-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>
Message-ID: <19991005144420.Z1430@imaginet.co.uk>

On Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 08:18:28AM -0500, Jerry Adlersfluegel wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Michael Stevens wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 04, 1999 at 07:29:50PM -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
> > > If you are running a very active list, I suggest making friends with your 
> > > ISP and asking very nicely for permission to relay through their mail 
> > > host.  If you get the ok, then the loading on your line should be minimal.
> > 
> > Interesting. I thought relaying via your ISP's mail host was
> > practically compulsory for dialup accounts. I even know of ISPs for
> > which I think that's the only way to send email. Does anyone know if
> > this is a realistic view of the world, or am I sadly deluded by
> > happening to have encountered a few unusual ISPs?
> My ISP ignored for over a year the fact that they allowed all relaying
> from anywhere. They changed that (when they put up a different server) but
> I don't see anything (technically or otherwise) that would keep customers
> from relaying. I agree with Michael's view that it is part of the Service
> that they Provide.

I think it's up to them, I was just surprised by the idea that there
were ISPs that didn't allow you to use their mail hosts, as I had
thought that it was practically universal.



From chris at memes.org  Tue Oct  5 17:11:38 1999
From: chris at memes.org (Chris Abraham)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:11:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] */pipermail/*???
In-Reply-To: <199910050506.BAA24907@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9910051108310.7307-100000@meme.tmn.com>

Hello:

I have successfully installed Mailman and am in love.
I do have a question, though.  When I go to:

<http://memes.org/mailman/listinfo/daily>

and then click on the "Daily Archives" wherein are the
publically-accessible archives for this list, I get:

<http://memes.org/pipermail/daily/>

It does not exist on my server -- is that a mistake or
a bug or a feature or an I just not set up quite correctly?

Cheers in advance,

Chris Abraham

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From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Tue Oct  5 17:39:26 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:39:26 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] */pipermail/*???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9910051108310.7307-100000@meme.tmn.com>; from Chris Abraham on Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 11:11:38AM -0400
References: <199910050506.BAA24907@python.org> <Pine.LNX.4.04.9910051108310.7307-100000@meme.tmn.com>
Message-ID: <19991005163926.M1430@imaginet.co.uk>

On Tue, Oct 05, 1999 at 11:11:38AM -0400, Chris Abraham wrote:
> Hello:
> I have successfully installed Mailman and am in love.
> I do have a question, though.  When I go to:
> <http://memes.org/mailman/listinfo/daily>
> and then click on the "Daily Archives" wherein are the
> publically-accessible archives for this list, I get:
> <http://memes.org/pipermail/daily/>
> It does not exist on my server -- is that a mistake or
> a bug or a feature or an I just not set up quite correctly?

Have you setup the aliases something like this:
# mailman stuff
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

(I have this in httpd.conf)



From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Tue Oct  5 18:50:08 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 17:50:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some subscribers receiving multiple copies 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham@vdata.co.uk> 
   of "Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:46:35 BST." <E11WbrH-0003zk-00@rioja.localnet> 
Message-ID: <E11YXmy-0000G4-00@rioja.localnet>

I previously wrote:-
> will at connectcorp.net said:
> > Some of our subscribers are reporting receiving 2, 3, or even 4 copies
> > of each post. 
> 
> I've seen very occasional examples of this on our list running mailman 
> 1.0.  The headers show that the duplication is occurring at the point 
> where mailman injects the message into the MTA for delivery to the list 
> subscribers.

...

> The injects were spread over a 5 or so minute period, with the last 2 
> (duplicated) injects done 2.5 minutes apart.  The machine would have 
> been quite heavily loaded around that time - there was a message still 
> in the process of injection by mailman when the second arrived and a 
> few messages in the mailq.

It appears this happens at times of high load and/or when the DNS is 
not very available.  Suspicions are that mailman is retrying a 
submission that it thinks is timing out.

In an attempt to work round this I have stopped exim doing receipient 
address verification on the fly for incoming messages from mailman (the 
config line is
	receiver_verify_hosts = !127.0.0.1/8:0.0.0.0/0
).

This, so far (one day), appears to have fixed the problem.  However its 
early days yet.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From will at connectcorp.net  Tue Oct  5 19:02:38 1999
From: will at connectcorp.net (Will Leaver)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:02:38 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Some subscribers receiving multiple copies 
In-Reply-To: <E11WbrH-0003zk-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <001c01bf0f53$6d637500$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net>

Thanks to all for the various replies. We checked for only one copy of
Sendmail running, which is true.
We also checked the logs, and, as you say, there was no indication of
trouble. We adjusted run_queue and cron to process the queue every five
minutes. This seems to have improved the situation, but not solved it
entirely.

Every day we get a few complaints of multiple copies. The list is 30K subs.
One person send both copies and they were about a half hour apart, which
baffles me completely. One clue - at that time run_queue was running every
half hour, and the queue was heavily loaded.

We are using a machine that only runs mailman for us, Linux version
something very recent, Mailman 1.0.

Any further suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Will Leaver
MASLOM, Inc.



-----Original Message-----
From: mailman-users-admin at python.org
[mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Nigel Metheringham
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:47 AM
To: mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Some subscribers receiving multiple copies



will at connectcorp.net said:
> Some of our subscribers are reporting receiving 2, 3, or even 4 copies
> of each post.

I've seen very occasional examples of this on our list running mailman
1.0.  The headers show that the duplication is occurring at the point
where mailman injects the message into the MTA for delivery to the list
subscribers.

I've just checked yesterdays logs and found one message that did this.
In this case the final mail injection was duplicated - ie mailman
injected the message 5 times to a different set of subscribers, and
then injected it twice with the same recipient list each time.

There is no indication of problems in the mailman logs.

The injects were spread over a 5 or so minute period, with the last 2
(duplicated) injects done 2.5 minutes apart.  The machine would have
been quite heavily loaded around that time - there was a message still
in the process of injection by mailman when the second arrived and a
few messages in the mailq.

	Nigel.
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[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]



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From christopher at schulte.org  Tue Oct  5 21:54:06 1999
From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:54:06 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991005085638.00b66970@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
References: <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk>
 <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
 <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
 <4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991005144725.00c0fe90@pop.schulte.org>

At 09:06 AM 10/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
 >as others have pointed out, there are an increasing number of ISPs that do
 >block port 25 access to all machines except for their relays.  Part of my
 >business is Internet infrastructure consulting and I have a fairly major
 >wholesale provider as one of my clients.  They are learning firsthand just
 >how bad "free" Internet access customers can be when it comes to
 >spamming.  They are in the process of locking down all of their pops and
 >forcing everyone to relay through their mail servers.

This is not just a spam deterrent.  It's also an easy way for the ISP's to 
add on mandatory tag line advertisements to their users' outbound email.

All you need to do is tell the local smtp client to connect to a non 
standard port on a remote server and mail relay is possible w/o the 
annoying ads.  The other side would of course need to be running smtp 
service on that specific non standard port, but it's a trivial issue to do 
that.

Also, The Eudora email clients (at least the windows versions) have an 
undocumented feature which will allow you to SEND mail through the remote 
pop3 server once you have already authenticated yourself to it.  The remote 
server must be running the qualcomm pop3 server, I believe.  The unix 
version is free, and very popular in pop3 server land.

--
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From th at nextel.no  Wed Oct  6 13:15:17 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:15:17 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <19991005141344.Y1430@imaginet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910051701410.4965-100000@opus.nextel.no>

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Michael Stevens wrote:

> 
> What is a whistle box? I have visions of some ill defined object from
> the early part of this century, which seems to be unlikely to be what
> you are referring to.
> 

Not sure if you got an answer, but ...

It is a small custom-made firewall/router/{samba,ftp,web,mail}server
suitable for small businesses. It is basically a FreeBSD box with custom
bits & pieces (internal UPS for one).

It has provisions for ISDN, PSTN, LL and FR access. It's neat, and has no
keyboard to speak of (a keypad from which you key in an enable code, and
it grabs its configuration from your ISP), and you can play "pong" on the
LCD display! :)

Check out http://www.whistle.com.

Tor Houghton




From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Wed Oct  6 15:57:36 1999
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:57:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial hosting for Mailman lists?
In-Reply-To: <19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk>
References: <3.0.3.32.19991001063959.00e14178@pop.rain.com>
	<4.2.0.58.19991004190618.00bb9470@harvee.billerica.ma.us>
	<19991005104124.B1430@imaginet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <14331.21840.262860.237815@trooper.velocet.net>

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Stevens <mstevens at imaginet.co.uk> writes:

Michael> Interesting. I thought relaying via your ISP's mail host was
Michael> practically compulsory for dialup accounts. I even know of
Michael> ISPs for which I think that's the only way to send
Michael> email. Does anyone know if this is a realistic view of the
Michael> world, or am I sadly deluded by happening to have encountered
Michael> a few unusual ISPs?

There are two answers here.  In some cases, ISPs will block you from
sending on port 25 to stop spammers from using their accounts.  ISPs
with free first months are common in this group.  Other people
subscribe to the DUL (dialup users lists) which allows them to filter
out mail from dial-up users that don't forward through their ISP mail
servers.

In general, if you can get yourself a static IP, you can probably send 
out your own mail, otherwise not.

Dave.

-- 
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|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
=========================================================GLO================



From will at connectcorp.net  Wed Oct  6 17:58:45 1999
From: will at connectcorp.net (Will Leaver)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:58:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial Hosting for Mailman
Message-ID: <008201bf1013$ab340780$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net>

Well, I am a newcomer to Mailman in general, and I have hesitated to speak
up.
However, let me say this: I own an ISP in Washington State. We are running
Mailman on its own machine, with very little trouble. Would it be desirable
or beneficial for us to offer commercial hosting for Mailman users? Don't
want to step on any toes, just curious as to what the demand might be.

Will Leaver
MASLOM, Inc.




From dj-mailman at insigma.com  Wed Oct  6 19:18:41 1999
From: dj-mailman at insigma.com (James Aylett)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:18:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] CVS commits to Mailman lists
Message-ID: <19991006181841.B26377@insigma.com>

Hi - I'm currently trying to set things up so a script (basically the script
that GNOME uses, originally from the OpenBSD project) emails CVS commit
information to a list specifically for that purpose. I don't want anyone
else to be able to mail the list (except the admin, but they know not to
anyway).

The trouble is, the CVS script isn't trusted, so it can't set From: in its
messages, and any Sender: it tries to set is stripped. Without making the
script open an SMTP connection to the local mailer (which is thoroughly
evil), I can't think of an easy solution to this without hacking Mailman to
recognise something specific associated with the messages, which is probably
more evil than the script talking raw SMTP.

The only other idea I have is to have a hidden list in front of each commit
list, making that an open list which rewrites From: to be allowed to post to
the main list. Even then, I have a feeling something won't work perfectly -
in particular, we want From: set to the publicly-known commit list, and
Reply-to set to an admin address (or possibly, in the future, a discussion
list). I think that last would require adding arbitrary headers at the list
configuration level, which as I understand it hasn't been done yet.

Anyone got any good ideas on doing this?

Cheers,
James

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From th at nextel.no  Wed Oct  6 19:39:01 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:39:01 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Big boo-boo (HELP!!)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910061935160.28114-100000@opus.nextel.no>

:)

Um; all my list config.db's tell mailman where the list archives are. The
problem is that I have moved the archives, and symlinking is not an
option (don't ask).

I need to edit the list configuration with the new path (I tried
rebuilding mailman in the hope that this was what caused my posting errors
(logs/post)).

Mail reaches the list ok, but no posts are archived..

Hope someone can point me in the right direction!

Best regards,

Tor




From mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Wed Oct  6 20:55:48 1999
From: mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Michael Rose)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:55:48 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List only goes to one type of Email
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991006115548.007b7df0@ag.arizona.edu>

I just started using Mailman and we previously used Majordomo as our list
serve.  We have started up with a few liststo see if they are functioning
properly and I have run into a problem.  When I send out a message, it only
seems to send the messages to a default domain.  In this case, it is
"ag.arizona.edu" but there are more than just that domain on the list.  It
also includes, "u.arizona.edu", "aol.com", etc.  I was wondering if maybe I
have something set up wrong that I haven't noticed.  Thank-you in advance
for any help you can provide.

Michael Rose
Ag Networking Lab
University of Arizona




From robert at plukwa.pdi.net  Wed Oct  6 22:03:46 1999
From: robert at plukwa.pdi.net (Robert Ramiega)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:03:46 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List only goes to one type of Email
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991006115548.007b7df0@ag.arizona.edu>
References: <3.0.6.32.19991006115548.007b7df0@ag.arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <19991006220345.A20042@plukwa.pdi.net>

 Hi!

On Wed, Oct 06, 1999 at 11:55:48AM -0700, Michael Rose wrote:
> I just started using Mailman and we previously used Majordomo as our list
> serve.  We have started up with a few liststo see if they are functioning
> properly and I have run into a problem.  When I send out a message, it only
> seems to send the messages to a default domain.  In this case, it is
> "ag.arizona.edu" but there are more than just that domain on the list.  It

 From what i know (i'm also new to mailman) mailman uses 'telnet to port 25'
method for posting messages. You might have MTA configured in such a way so
that it refuses to relay mail for domains other than your own ag.arizona.edu.
 Of course i might be wrong... Just check your maillog 

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From dgilbert at velocet.ca  Thu Oct  7 15:23:46 1999
From: dgilbert at velocet.ca (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:23:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Commercial Hosting for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <008201bf1013$ab340780$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net>
References: <008201bf1013$ab340780$0300a8c0@ceo.connectcorp.net>
Message-ID: <14332.40674.599642.828509@trooper.velocet.net>

>>>>> "Will" == Will Leaver <will at connectcorp.net> writes:

Will> Well, I am a newcomer to Mailman in general, and I have
Will> hesitated to speak up.  However, let me say this: I own an ISP
Will> in Washington State. We are running Mailman on its own machine,
Will> with very little trouble. Would it be desirable or beneficial
Will> for us to offer commercial hosting for Mailman users? Don't want
Will> to step on any toes, just curious as to what the demand might
Will> be.

I have responded to the list a couple of times saying that we would
offer mailman hosting.  I havn't got any truly postive inquiries yet
--- only some interest.  In general, mailman (for us) is simply what
we offer mailing lists on.

Dave.

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|Mail:       dgilbert at velocet.net             |  equal if and only if they |
|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert             |   are precisely opposite.  |
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From harvey at eccnet.eccnet.com  Thu Oct  7 15:36:03 1999
From: harvey at eccnet.eccnet.com (Betty Harvey)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 09:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple Question About Documentation
Message-ID: <37FCA1C3.477BDA8E@eccnet.com>

I know this is a simple question and I am probably overlooking
something really stupid.  I have installed Mailman without
any problem.

Where can I find the users manual or the documentation on
how to configure it.  I have looked through the files
and I can't find anything.

Thanks for your help.

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Betty Harvey                         | Phone: 301-540-8251 FAX: 4268
Electronic Commerce Connection, Inc. |
13017 Wisteria Drive, P.O. Box 333   |
Germantown, Md.  20874               |
harvey at eccnet.com                    | Washington,DC SGML/XML Users Grp
URL:  http://www.eccnet.com          | http://www.eccnet.com/sgmlug/
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\\/\/



From jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca  Thu Oct  7 18:09:54 1999
From: jye at helios.physics.utoronto.ca (Jun Ye)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wise settings available ?
Message-ID: <199910071609.MAA978551@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>

Hi there,

Is there a place in Mailman config that I can put/change 
site-wise (default) settings ?

e.g. "send monthly pasword" is a pretty annoying "feature".
As the system administrator serving many non-technical
list owners, I wish I could go to 100 lists to disable it.
Can I disable it in one shot ? And, how to disable it
when creating a list ?

Thanks.

Jun



From matsh at iirutb.se  Thu Oct  7 17:51:35 1999
From: matsh at iirutb.se (Mats Haglund)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 17:51:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non us
Message-ID: <003b01bf10db$d8af1ba0$2e01a8c0@iirutb.se>

Hi all!

Im sorry if this has come up on the list before.
I have two questions:

1. When i edit the html for the public list pages (trying to translate it into swedish), i still get some text in english eg: "This is a public list, which means..." 
I guess its somehow built in to the code. Is there any way to change this without recompiling?

2. I can't get the archives right with swedish characters. If a subject contains letters like ?, ? or ? then the subject in the archive becomes   "=?iso-8859-1?B?c3Rld......"
Is there a workaround for this?

Best Regards

Mats Haglund





From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Oct  7 19:14:10 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 13:14:10 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wise settings available ?
In-Reply-To: <199910071609.MAA978551@helios.physics.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991007130758.00ad6930@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:09 PM 10/7/99 -0400, Jun Ye wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>Is there a place in Mailman config that I can put/change 
>site-wise (default) settings ?

A lot of the settings are in (as the docs point out) Defaults.py.
They can be overridden in mm_cfg.py; don't change Defaults.py;
just use it as a shopping list of what you can change.


>e.g. "send monthly pasword" is a pretty annoying "feature".
>As the system administrator serving many non-technical
>list owners, I wish I could go to 100 lists to disable it.
>Can I disable it in one shot ? And, how to disable it
>when creating a list ?


If you write some python.  See the progs in ~mailman/bin and
~mailman/cron; like mailpasswds or find_user as examples.
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From tomas at euronetics.se  Thu Oct  7 19:33:16 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 19:33:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] non us
References: <003b01bf10db$d8af1ba0$2e01a8c0@iirutb.se>
Message-ID: <37FCD95C.45BAE59C@euronetics.se>

Hej Mats.

Mats Haglund wrote:
> 
> 1. When i edit the html for the public list pages (trying to translate it into swedish), i still get some text in english eg: "This is a public list, which means..."
> I guess its somehow built in to the code. Is there any way to change this without recompiling?

I think it's still in the code. It seem to be on the TODO list
though.

> 2. I can't get the archives right with swedish characters. If a subject contains letters like ?, ? or ? then the subject in the archive becomes   "=?iso-8859-1?B?c3Rld......"
> Is there a workaround for this?

The integrated archiver don't know about MIME.
You need to replace it with an external one, like MonArcH or
HyperMail. I have dodged this problem so far due to lack of time. A
Mini-HOWTO on making the move, anyone?

<tomas/>



From mentor at alb-net.com  Thu Oct  7 20:33:33 1999
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:33:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wise settings available ?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991007130758.00ad6930@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9910071432210.476-100000@alb-net.com>

On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, at 13:14, Ron Jarrell wrote:
> 
> If you write some python.  See the progs in ~mailman/bin and
> ~mailman/cron; like mailpasswds or find_user as examples.
> 

Hi,

I just searched mu mm-1.0 files and didn't see any find_user program.

later,
Mentor




From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Oct  7 20:37:40 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:37:40 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Site-wise settings available ?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9910071432210.476-100000@alb-net.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.19991007130758.00ad6930@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991007143604.00a8caa0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 02:33 PM 10/7/99 -0400, Mentor Cana wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, at 13:14, Ron Jarrell wrote:
> > 
> > If you write some python.  See the progs in ~mailman/bin and
> > ~mailman/cron; like mailpasswds or find_user as examples.
> > 
>
>Hi,
>
>I just searched mu mm-1.0 files and didn't see any find_user program.

Sorry - find_member...

In general, there are some pretty useful items in ~mailman/bin.  All of which
can serve as good examples for writing your own extensions.  In some cases
you might be able to trivially modify an existing program to do something, even
without knowing python!
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From th at nextel.no  Fri Oct  8 13:32:03 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:32:03 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (help required) how should one move a mailman setup?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910081323460.10981-100000@opus.nextel.no>

Hypothetically, what is the correct way of moving a mailman setup? I
didn't get much reply to my panic plea which I posted a couple of days
ago, so I thought I'd try a subtler approach...

The way I did it (wrong, it seems, because when Mailman (v1.0) tries to
archive the post, it gives error [1]) is as follows:

Reinstall mailman with 

./configure --with-mail-gid=0 --with-cgi-gid=67 --prefix=/home/mailman
make install
cp [archive & list files from old to new location]

And that was about it...

What should I have done? And can I fix it?

Regards,

Tor

--
[1] error is as follows:

Oct 08 13:30:11 1999  Archive file access failure:
        /home/mailman/public_html/archives/private/listname.mbox/spies.mbox <exceptions.IOError instance at a5ff0>
Oct 08 13:30:11 1999 post: Traceback (innermost last):
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 192, in ArchiveMail
post:     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 172, in __archive_to_mbox
post:     reraise()
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 165, in __archive_to_mbox
post:     mbox = self.__archive_file(afn)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 151, in __archive_file
post:     return Mailbox.Mailbox(open_ex(afn, "a+"))
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
post:     reraise(IOError, e)
post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
post:     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
post: IOError: (2, 'No such file or directory')





From jarrell at vt.edu  Fri Oct  8 16:50:08 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:50:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (help required) how should one move a
  mailman setup?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910081323460.10981-100000@opus.nextel.no>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991008104911.0487d490@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

THe config.db for each list knows where the archives are supposed to be;
either recreate the lists, or hunt in the archives for the quick and dirty script
someone wrote to walk each list and change the path.

At 01:32 PM 10/8/99 +0200, you wrote:

>Hypothetically, what is the correct way of moving a mailman setup? I
>didn't get much reply to my panic plea which I posted a couple of days
>ago, so I thought I'd try a subtler approach...
>
>The way I did it (wrong, it seems, because when Mailman (v1.0) tries to
>archive the post, it gives error [1]) is as follows:
>
>Reinstall mailman with 
>
>./configure --with-mail-gid=0 --with-cgi-gid=67 --prefix=/home/mailman
>make install
>cp [archive & list files from old to new location]
>
>And that was about it...
>
>What should I have done? And can I fix it?
>
>Regards,
>
>Tor
>
>--
>[1] error is as follows:
>
>Oct 08 13:30:11 1999  Archive file access failure:
>         /home/mailman/public_html/archives/private/listname.mbox/spies.mbox <exceptions.IOError instance at a5ff0>
>Oct 08 13:30:11 1999 post: Traceback (innermost last):
>post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 192, in ArchiveMail
>post:     self.__archive_to_mbox(msg)
>post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 172, in __archive_to_mbox
>post:     reraise()
>post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 165, in __archive_to_mbox
>post:     mbox = self.__archive_file(afn)
>post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 151, in __archive_file
>post:     return Mailbox.Mailbox(open_ex(afn, "a+"))
>post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 729, in open_ex
>post:     reraise(IOError, e)
>post:   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 724, in open_ex
>post:     fd = os.open(filename, flags, perms)
>post: IOError: (2, 'No such file or directory')
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
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>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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From th at nextel.no  Fri Oct  8 17:21:48 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:21:48 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (help required) how should one move a  mailman
 setup?
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991008104911.0487d490@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910081717340.16295-100000@opus.nextel.no>

Ah. I found it. It took shorter than I expected. Well, I will see if it
works. (How about adding a search to the list archive now, it is getting
rather lage? :)

Thanks !

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Ron Jarrell wrote:

> THe config.db for each list knows where the archives are supposed to be;
> either recreate the lists, or hunt in the archives for the quick and dirty script
> someone wrote to walk each list and change the path.
> 




From Robert at grapevine2.com  Fri Oct  8 17:59:44 1999
From: Robert at grapevine2.com (Robert)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:59:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (help required) Timeout Problems with Large
  Mailing list
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991008104911.0487d490@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910081323460.10981-100000@opus.nextel.no>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991008114953.00963980@pop.gv2.com>

Hello,

No one answered my previous Email message about the timeout problems we 
have with Mailman. Looks like this Mailman tech support is not so great. 
I'm serious....we want to add roughly 20-40,000 new Email addresses to 
existing 30,000 Email addresses mailing list.

I'm seriously considering using this new mailing list manager: Subscribe Me 
Professional by Elite's CGI Script Center at 
http://www.cgiscriptcenter.com/ for $149.00 Any comments on this one 
compared to Mailman? The only nice thing about this Subscribe Me 
Professional is their support forum, which the real knowledgeable people 
will answer any good questions.

Thanks,

Robert





From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Fri Oct  8 22:57:18 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:57:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listproc archive conversion
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9910081619560.9833-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

i have a bunch of digest archives from a listproc-6.0c server that i need
to convert to mailman archives.

the problem is that none of these archives are in unix mbox format.  that
is, there are no 'From ' separator lines (does this mean they are not
rfc822 compliant mailboxes?).  i think the only consistency about these
old archives is that each message begins with a 'Date:' header line.

i have used the mailman arch program to convert majordomo archives to
mailman so i'm familiar with arch.  should i be able to use arch to
convert listproc archives?

i could use the 'Date:' line to separate the messages but would i also
have to add some other header information in order to use arch?
if so, what header fields, specifically, would i have to add?

does anyone out there have any advice, tools, etc., for converting
archives or massaging mailbox files or digests to get them into a format
that arch will accept?

thanks for any help you can provide!

--
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Computing and Information Services  \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920
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From pol at est.it  Sat Oct  9 00:31:51 1999
From: pol at est.it (Paolo M. Pumilia)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:31:51 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to start
Message-ID: <19991009003151.A10332@wigner.cstc.org>

Hi all,
I am completely new to mailing list management. Mailman has been
my first choice since i guessed it should have offered an easier interface 
to users and to the list maintainer as well.
But i find myself rather disappointed now.
I have no clue about how to set up mailing list attributes and no tutor 
is available at the home site. 
Can you give any hints to start shaping a mailing list through the http 
channel?
I've just downlodad mailman v1.0 as a debian binary format, and
installed on a libc2.1.2 linux platform.

thank you for your suggestions

Paolo Pumilia
email: pumilia at est.it
---- cstc -



From mcook at unidial.com  Sat Oct  9 02:45:06 1999
From: mcook at unidial.com (Merrill Cook)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:45:06 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] can't get into admin
Message-ID: <37FE9012.21EEFC96@unidial.com>

This bug report with v 1.0 is getting really annoying. It has been
somewhat intermittent, but seems now to be more and more common. It
happens when trying to get to the admin page for some of our lists. This
is as far as it gets.

The funny thing is that this machine is referenced under two domain
names; when we use the other domain name, we do not have this problem.
The list was set up and mostly works fine with the first domain name.
The second domain name (the one that works with this script) is used for
some scripts, and the program seems to be fine (mail aliases work, web
server works, etc.).

Any ideas?

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main
    main()
  File "../Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 173, in main
    lst.Unlock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1383, in Unlock
    self._lock_file.lock('u')
  File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 192, in lock
    flock = fcntl.fcntl(self._file_.fileno(), cmd, flock)
IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument



From claw at   Fri Oct  8 20:15:45 1999
From: claw at  (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:15:45 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (help required) Timeout Problems with Large Mailing list 
In-Reply-To: Message from Robert <Robert@grapevine2.com> 
   of "Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:59:44 EDT." <4.2.0.58.19991008114953.00963980@pop.gv2.com> 
Message-ID: <E11ZeYT-0004DK-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:59:44 -0400 
Robert  <Robert at grapevine2.com> wrote:

> I'm serious....we want to add roughly 20-40,000 new Email
> addresses to existing 30,000 Email addresses mailing list.

Not a problem.  There are a few timeout and response time problems
when using the web interface for adding large numbers of
subscribers.  These *may* have been fixed now (I haven't checked,
but there was discussion on the area).  

More simply however you can use the commandline bin/add_members
script.  I've successfully run this on files containing as many as
5,000 addresses (that's how they were provided to me).

> I'm seriously considering using this new mailing list manager:
> Subscribe Me Professional by Elite's CGI Script Center at
> http://www.cgiscriptcenter.com/ for $149.00 Any comments on this
> one compared to Mailman? The only nice thing about this Subscribe
> Me Professional is their support forum, which the real
> knowledgeable people will answer any good questions.

MailMan is a free software product.  Support is of course on a best
effort basis, and perhaps more significantly, on an "as willing"
basis.  

-- 
J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                             Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From claw at varesearch.com  Sat Oct  9 07:55:03 1999
From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 22:55:03 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] (help required) Timeout Problems with Large Mailing list 
In-Reply-To: Message from J C Lawrence <claw@@:> 
   of "Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:15:45 PDT." <E11ZeYT-0004DK-00@under.su.varesearch.com> 
Message-ID: <E11ZpTH-0005OP-00@under.su.varesearch.com>

> From: J C Lawrence <claw@@:> wrote:

Sorry about that.  Fixed.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                   Home: claw at kanga.nu
---------(*)                             Work: claw at varesearch.com
 ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ...



From martin at kanon.net  Sat Oct  9 09:30:58 1999
From: martin at kanon.net (Martin)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:30:58 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to start
In-Reply-To: <19991009003151.A10332@wigner.cstc.org>
References: <19991009003151.A10332@wigner.cstc.org>
Message-ID: <0003566dbd56b6d3_mailit@192.168.1.1>

>I am completely new to mailing list management. Mailman has been
>my first choice since i guessed it should have offered an easier interface 
>to users and to the list maintainer as well.
>But i find myself rather disappointed now.

Hi there!

I myself is a very new user - but I followed the TEST example in the INSTALL 
file ...and after you have done that one (read it all ;) - then you will find 
it VERY easy I think!

Once your web server is set up correct, then all the web interfaces are build 
automatic - it is sweeet :)

Where exactly are you stuck right now ? = How far do you get ?

'Martin






From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Sat Oct  9 09:46:44 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 17:46:44 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accessing list admin
Message-ID: <19991009174644.T235@tertius.net.au>

Sometimes when I try to access the list admin pages I get
"internal server error" errors with the logs just showing:

[Sat Oct  9 17:40:02 1999] [error] [client 203.30.75.129] Premature end
of script headers: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin

It seems to randomly happen when I try to access the pages from Netscape
on my local machine, but NEVER if I telnet to the webserver machine and
use lynx from there.

Anybody got any ideas?

bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/



From Robert at grapevine2.com  Sat Oct  9 16:45:42 1999
From: Robert at grapevine2.com (Robert)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 10:45:42 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timeout Problems with Large Mailing list Part II
In-Reply-To: <E11ZeYT-0004DK-00@under.su.varesearch.com>
References: <Message from Robert <Robert@grapevine2.com>
 <4.2.0.58.19991008114953.00963980@pop.gv2.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991009103325.00b90100@pop.gv2.com>

Hi!

At 11:15 AM 10/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:59:44 -0400
>Robert  <Robert at grapevine2.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm serious....we want to add roughly 20-40,000 new Email
> > addresses to existing 30,000 Email addresses mailing list.
>
>Not a problem.  There are a few timeout and response time problems
>when using the web interface for adding large numbers of
>subscribers.  These *may* have been fixed now (I haven't checked,
>but there was discussion on the area).
>
>More simply however you can use the commandline bin/add_members
>script.  I've successfully run this on files containing as many as
>5,000 addresses (that's how they were provided to me).
>
> > I'm seriously considering using this new mailing list manager:
> > Subscribe Me Professional by Elite's CGI Script Center at
> > http://www.cgiscriptcenter.com/ for $149.00 Any comments on this
> > one compared to Mailman? The only nice thing about this Subscribe
> > Me Professional is their support forum, which the real
> > knowledgeable people will answer any good questions.
>
>MailMan is a free software product.  Support is of course on a best
>effort basis, and perhaps more significantly, on an "as willing"
>basis.

It still timeouts when adding the large Email addresses to the mailing 
list. Also, when the Mailman is running (processing 35,000 Email addresses 
2 times), we could not access to the web site:

http://deafdigest.net/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/deafdigest_web

Bug in Mailman version 1.0rc3
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 84, in run_main
     from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in ?
     from Logger import Logger
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 22, in ?
     from Mailman.Utils import reraise
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 33, in ?
     import random
   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/random.py", line 18, in ?
     from whrandom import random, uniform, randint, choice # Also for export!
ImportError: No module named whrandom


Environment variables:
VariableValue
DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/barry
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate
REMOTE_HOST madmax.deafdigest.net
SERVER_PORT 80
PATH_TRANSLATED /home/berry/deafdigest_web
REMOTE_ADDR 207.138.154.38
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us
GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
SERVER_NAME www.deafdigest.net
HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-quickviewplus, 
*/*
REQUEST_URI /mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi/deafdigest_web
PATH /usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/robert/bin
QUERY_STRING
SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/berry/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi
PATH_INFO /deafdigest_web
HTTP_HOST deafdigest.net
REQUEST_METHOD GET
SERVER_SIGNATURE        Apache/1.3.6 Server at www.deafdigest.net Port 80
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi
SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at deafdigest.net
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) PHP/4.0B2
PYTHONPATH /home/mailman
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
REMOTE_PORT 3130



Same for here when accessing to admin.cgi:

http://deafdigest.net/mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi/deafdigest_web

Bug in Mailman version 1.0rc3
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of 
this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!
Traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
   File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 108, in run_main
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 28, in ?
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 40, in ?
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 28, in ?
   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cookie.py", line 165, in ?
   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/pickle.py", line 29, in ?
ImportError: No module named copy_reg


Environment variables:
VariableValue
DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/barry
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate
REMOTE_HOST madmax.deafdigest.net
SERVER_PORT 80
PATH_TRANSLATED /home/berry/deafdigest_web
REMOTE_ADDR 207.138.154.38
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us
GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1
SERVER_NAME www.deafdigest.net
HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)
HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, 
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword, application/x-quickviewplus, 
*/*
REQUEST_URI /mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi/deafdigest_web
PATH /usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/python/bin
QUERY_STRING
SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/berry/mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi
PATH_INFO /deafdigest_web
HTTP_HOST deafdigest.net
REQUEST_METHOD GET
SERVER_SIGNATURE        Apache/1.3.6 Server at www.deafdigest.net Port 80
SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/cgi-bin/admin.cgi
SERVER_ADMIN webmaster at deafdigest.net
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) PHP/4.0B2
PYTHONPATH /home/mailman
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1
REMOTE_PORT 3129


Server status at this time when running 35,000 Email addresses in 2 
messages to be sent out at the same time:

[root at madmax berry]# uptime
  10:43am  up 4 days,  3:18,  1 user,  load average: 2.97, 2.24, 1.66

[root at madmax berry]# free
              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        156484     152312       4172     116796       5048      14704
-/+ buffers/cache:     132560      23924
Swap:       240932     112368     128564
[root at madmax berry]#

Server: 350MHz AMD, 160Mb, 1Mb cache

What's wrong?

Thanks,

Robert



From pol at est.it  Sat Oct  9 19:35:40 1999
From: pol at est.it (Paolo M. Pumilia)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:35:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to start
In-Reply-To: <0003566dbd56b6d3_mailit@192.168.1.1>; from Martin <martin@kanon.net> on Oct 09 1999 
References: <19991009003151.A10332@wigner.cstc.org> <0003566dbd56b6d3_mailit@192.168.1.1>
Message-ID: <19991009193540.A12259@wigner.cstc.org>

On Oct 09 1999 , Martin wrote:
> >But i find myself rather disappointed now.
> I myself is a very new user - but I followed the TEST example in the INSTALL 
> file ...and after you have done that one (read it all ;) - then you will find 
> it VERY easy I think!
> 
Thank you very much; your few lines have been very helpful.

I realized i had glanced over the install.txt file too quickly.
Sometimes everyone needs to be told what's under his nose, before 
he can see it.

I followed the instructions therein and succeeded in creating
my first mailing list.

ciao 

Paolo Pumilia
email: pumilia at est.it
---- cstc -



From michael at spconnect.com  Mon Oct 11 03:23:41 1999
From: michael at spconnect.com (Michael Ghens)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #353 - 10 msgs
In-Reply-To: <199910090504.BAA26964@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910101759460.27225-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>

Tried a  news gateway test. This is the error:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/other/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/other/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 79, in main
    r,c,first,last,n = conn.group(mlist.linked_newsgroup)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 208, in group
    resp = self.shortcmd('GROUP ' + name)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 158, in shortcmd
    return self.getresp()
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 134, in getresp
    raise error_perm, resp
nntplib.error_perm: 500 "GROUP" not implemented; try "help".


Any sugguestions?





From ruddy at udlug.org  Mon Oct 11 06:58:31 1999
From: ruddy at udlug.org (Bob C. Ruddy)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 00:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] archives
In-Reply-To: <199910110453.AAA02957@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991011005429.30223P-100000@www.udlug.org>

  First I'd like to say thanks to the writers of mailman. It works great. 

  I am trying to get my archives working. The archive link does work. But
it brings me to a page the says

'The ListName Archives'
'More info on this list'
'Currently, there are no archives'

I'm looked through the FAQ and didn't see anything. I know it is probally
something stupid but any help would be great. I'm running the latest
debian linux. Thanks for the help.

				Bob




From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Mon Oct 11 09:08:15 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:08:15 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #353 - 10 msgs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910101759460.27225-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9910110906040.9820-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Michael Ghens wrote:

>     raise error_perm, resp
> nntplib.error_perm: 500 "GROUP" not implemented; try "help".
I'm not a news guru, but this sounds like a server problem more than a
Mailman problem. '500 GROUP not implemented; try "help".' looks like your
news server is getting a command from gatenews and is unable to process
it.

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From mstevens at imaginet.co.uk  Mon Oct 11 11:21:34 1999
From: mstevens at imaginet.co.uk (Michael Stevens)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:21:34 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Accessing list admin
In-Reply-To: <19991009174644.T235@tertius.net.au>
References: <19991009174644.T235@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <19991011102134.A30864@imaginet.co.uk>

On Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at 05:46:44PM +1000, Bek Oberin wrote:
> Sometimes when I try to access the list admin pages I get
> "internal server error" errors with the logs just showing:
> [Sat Oct  9 17:40:02 1999] [error] [client 203.30.75.129] Premature end
> of script headers: /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/admin
> It seems to randomly happen when I try to access the pages from Netscape
> on my local machine, but NEVER if I telnet to the webserver machine and
> use lynx from there.
> Anybody got any ideas?

I've had this problem with netscape. It went away when I trashed my
cookies (bekj, skud suggested this on #perl when I was flailing around
looking for a mailman guru).

My theory is that mailman occasionally, for some reason can't
recognise it's own cookies, and segfaults while it is attempting this,
but it's only a guess.

(the system is almost all debian-stable, with a few bits of -unstable,
but the stable mailman).



From starback at ling.uu.se  Mon Oct 11 16:13:45 1999
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 11 Oct 1999 16:13:45 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change with admin pages
In-Reply-To: Todd Pfaff's message of "Fri, 8 Oct 1999 16:57:18 -0400 (EDT)"
Message-ID: <qz7lkum1d2.fsf@objekt.ling.uu.se>

Does anyone recognize this or know what to do about it?

I have one Mailman list for which I can't change the settings with the
web interface.

What I do:
 * I go to the mailman/admin/LISTNAME page.
 * I give the password (I use the site password).
 * I get the General Options.  I change something and press Submit
   your changes.
 * Now I get a new "administrative authentication" page!  (not good)
   When I type in the password again I get the General Options page
   again, without any changes.
 * (The same goes for other configuration categories as well, although
   I haven't tried them all)

What I have checked:
 * It works fine for other mailman mailing lists at the same server.
 * I get the same result with Netscape and Lynx so it probably hasn't
   to do with my web client.  (In particular not with old values in my
   cookie jar.)
 * There are no errors about this in mailman/logs/error.
 * mailman/bin/check_db reports that config.db "is fine".
 * I've also used bin/withlist to test if it is possible to update the
   config file.

	$ python -i withlist LISTNAME
	>>> m.num_spawns
	5
	>>> m.num_spawns = 6
	>>> m.Save

   This seemed to have worked.  In the web interface I can see the new
   value (although I still can't set it).

-- 
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"



From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  Mon Oct 11 16:58:28 1999
From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Simple Question About Documentation
In-Reply-To: <37FCA1C3.477BDA8E@eccnet.com>
References: <37FCA1C3.477BDA8E@eccnet.com>
Message-ID: <99101109592700.12692@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu>

On Thu, 07 Oct 1999, Betty Harvey wrote:
> I know this is a simple question and I am probably overlooking
> something really stupid.  I have installed Mailman without
> any problem.
> 
> Where can I find the users manual or the documentation on
> how to configure it.  I have looked through the files
> and I can't find anything.

We have been working on documentation here and the first public drafts are
available.  You can the draft versions at www.aurora.edu/~ckolar/mailman
-- please send back comments after you have a go at using them.

--chris

-- 
/////\\\\\/////\\\\\
 Christopher G. Kolar
   Director of Instructional Technology
   Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois
 ckolar at admin.aurora.edu  --  www.aurora.edu
        [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72]




From opensoft at est.it  Mon Oct 11 18:33:16 1999
From: opensoft at est.it (OpenSoftware Crew)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:33:16 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overwhelming Error notifications to the List Owner
Message-ID: <19991011183316.A7373@wigner.cstc.org>

I started my first mailing list a few days ago, as i told you before.
First problem i noticed is that the list owner receives a lot of mail with 
the same two kinds of error notifications:

1)
   Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:50:03 +0200
   From: root (Cron Daemon)                                                       
   To: mailman
   Subject: Cron <mailman at wigner> /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news        
    Traceback (innermost last):
    File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
      main()
    File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
      mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__
      self.Load()
    File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 802, in Load
      raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
    MMBadListError: Failed to access config info

Inspecting the /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py  file it appears
that mailman is looking for a 'config.db' file ta cannot be found
(i don't know python though, so i am not sure about that conclusion):

% vi +800 /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py

    795 
    796   def Load(self, check_version = 1):
    797       if self._tmp_lock:
    798          self.Lock()
    799       try:
    800           file = open(os.path.join(self._full_path, 'config.db'), 'r')
    801       except IOError:
    802           raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'



2)  
    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:12:01 +0200
    From: root (Cron Daemon)  
    To: mailman
    Subject: Cron <mailman at wigner> /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue        
     Traceback (innermost last):
     File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
       main()
     File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
       lockfile.lock()
     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 119, in lock
       os.link(self.lockfile, self.tmpfname)
     OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
 
Inspecting the /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/flock.py file gives no clue.
All that i can see is that Mailman cannot perform a link between  a lock 
and a tmp file:

    118  # create the hard link and test for exactly 2 links to the file
    119     os.link(self.lockfile, self.tmpfname)


It is possible that something is wrong with my installation. 
Currently Mailman owner is root, since that is the debian pre-packaged 
setup. I changed group to 'list' to the $prefix tree, that is to
/usr/lib/mailman according to the debian pre-packaged setup. 
Then i changed file privileges to g+rw through $prefix downward and 
added to the group 'list' the owner of the mailing list.

what else is to be fixed?

thank you for your help

Pol
email: pumilia at est.it
-- cstc -



From opensoft at est.it  Mon Oct 11 18:39:23 1999
From: opensoft at est.it (OpenSoftware Crew)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:39:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internationalization Projects?
Message-ID: <19991011183922.A7709@wigner.cstc.org>

Are there any attempts to translate Mailman into other languages
or better to make Mailman ready for an easy translation into
whatever language?

Pol
email: pumilia at est.it



From che at debian.org  Mon Oct 11 18:16:28 1999
From: che at debian.org (Ben Gertzfield)
Date: 11 Oct 1999 09:16:28 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overwhelming Error notifications to the List Owner
In-Reply-To: OpenSoftware Crew's message of "Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:33:16 +0200"
References: <19991011183316.A7373@wigner.cstc.org>
Message-ID: <yttu2nx27qb.fsf@gilgamesh.cse.ucsc.edu>

I have to complain as well. I'm getting the exact same errors as
well, sometimes 8 or 9 a day!

-- 
Brought to you by the letters C and V and the number 3.
"I choose YOU! Pikachu!"
Debian GNU/Linux maintainer of Gimp and GTK+ -- http://www.debian.org/



From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu  Mon Oct 11 18:41:15 1999
From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:41:15 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Overwhelming Error notifications to the List Owner
In-Reply-To: <19991011183316.A7373@wigner.cstc.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.991011183643.47369U-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>

On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, OpenSoftware Crew wrote:

> 1)
>    Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:50:03 +0200
>    From: root (Cron Daemon)                                                       
>    To: mailman
>    Subject: Cron <mailman at wigner> /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news        
>     Traceback (innermost last):
>     File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
>       main()
>     File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main
>       mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0)
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 61, in __init__
>       self.Load()
>     File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 802, in Load
>       raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info'
>     MMBadListError: Failed to access config info
> 
> Inspecting the /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py  file it appears
> that mailman is looking for a 'config.db' file ta cannot be found
> (i don't know python though, so i am not sure about that conclusion):

The config file should be in /var/lib/mailman/lists/<listname>/config.db, 
its group should be list, and its permissions 660.

> 2)  
>     Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:12:01 +0200
>     From: root (Cron Daemon)  
>     To: mailman
>     Subject: Cron <mailman at wigner> /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue        
>      Traceback (innermost last):
>      File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
>        main()
>      File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
>        lockfile.lock()
>      File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 119, in lock
>        os.link(self.lockfile, self.tmpfname)
>      OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied
>  
> Inspecting the /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/flock.py file gives no clue.
> All that i can see is that Mailman cannot perform a link between  a lock 
> and a tmp file:
> 
>     118  # create the hard link and test for exactly 2 links to the file
>     119     os.link(self.lockfile, self.tmpfname)

Hmm... perhaps you run solar designers secure linux patch ? It
unfortunatelly breaks mailman.
Anyway, the directories under /var/lib/mailman should be rwxrwsr-x (except
for the private archives)... and there is a check_perms script in
/usr/sbin which should check if the permissions are ok 

-- 
Madarasz Gergely           gorgo at caesar.elte.hu         gorgo at linux.rulez.org
      It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry.
          Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni.
                    HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/




From jared_meeker at morinda.com  Mon Oct 11 20:34:38 1999
From: jared_meeker at morinda.com (jaredm)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:34:38 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT... mass to: field
Message-ID: <199910111834.MAA13127@ember.morinda.com>

I am currently managing a single list of about 300 names.  I was just
notified that some subscribers, in the "To:" field in posts, are getting
email addresses of other recipients.

Why would some see the to field as "listname at listserver.com" and others
see all the subscribers?  

I need to get this figured out so these address don't start getting
spammed.
-- 
Jared Meeker
System Operator






From starback at ling.uu.se  Mon Oct 11 20:59:17 1999
From: starback at ling.uu.se (Per Starback)
Date: 11 Oct 1999 20:59:17 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can't change with admin pages
In-Reply-To: Per Starback's message of "11 Oct 1999 16:13:45 +0200"
References: <qz7lkum1d2.fsf@objekt.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <qz1zb1wwoq.fsf@numerus.ling.uu.se>

On mailman-users I wrote about problems I had with one particular list
that I couldn't admin with the web interface.  Now I know why, and I
send this followup to the developer list too, since it might be reason
to change something.

It turned out that Mailman never sent out any cookies for that
particular list.  Why?  Because the list administrator (not me!) had
changed the Base URL for the list by removing "http://" at the
beginning of the url. (I don't know what he was trying to achieve with
that, but I can understand that some people might be tempted to that
with all the non-URL "URLs" that are printed everywhere like that.)

Mailman uses the Base URL for cookie stuff.  In MakeCookie there is a
line

        path = urlparse(self.web_page_url)[2] # '/mailman'

For one of my sensible lists path here became '/mailman/' (note:  not
exactly as in the comment) but for the bogus list it became instead
something else, and I guess that's where things started to go wrong.
I changed the Base URL back, and then it works fine again.

So what should the lesson be?  I'm not sure, but it is nice if Mailman
can support clueless list administrators (as long as the main Mailman
administrator has a clue) so I don't think the right answer is just
"so don't do that!".

Probably it shouldn't be allowed to set "Base URL" to any string.
I suggest instead that the Mailman administrator should be able to set
what basenames should be possible, and the list administrators only
can chose from those values. (Most sites would only have one possible
value, and then that section could preferrably be deleted from the
list admin pages.)

-- 
Per Starback <starback at ling.uu.se> <http://stp.ling.uu.se/~starback/me.html>
 "Life is but a gamble!  Let flipism chart your ramble!"

P.S.  I loved the comments in MakeCookie!



From dstites at freemason.org  Tue Oct 12 00:02:49 1999
From: dstites at freemason.org (Dave Stites)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:02:49 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "Administrators"...
In-Reply-To: <qz1zb1wwoq.fsf@numerus.ling.uu.se>
References: <Per Starback's message of "11 Oct 1999 16:13:45 +0200">
 <qz7lkum1d2.fsf@objekt.ling.uu.se>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991011145029.0095ece0@elcic.com>

OUCH!

Thanks for the "heads up" on this one!

Have been evaluating Mailman somewhat casually over the past few weeks and 
monitoring this list closely.

One of my potential "List Masters", (read Mailman administrators), is 
absolutely guaranteed to do this very kind of thing, (if able to do 
so).  Recent history says "Mikie will play with anything you make available 
to him".

The delegation of list administrators is a very important piece of 
functionality, but I have to agree he/she/they shouldn't have the 
capability to modify/set the "Base URL".

Will now put a weather eye on what "other" damage "Mikie" could/would 
potentially do as a Mailman administrator for a single mailing list.

Warm Regards,
-=dave=-

At 08:59 PM 10/11/1999 +0200, Per Starback wrote:

>So what should the lesson be?  I'm not sure, but it is nice if Mailman
>can support clueless list administrators (as long as the main Mailman
>administrator has a clue) so I don't think the right answer is just
>"so don't do that!".
>
>Probably it shouldn't be allowed to set "Base URL" to any string.
>I suggest instead that the Mailman administrator should be able to set
>what basenames should be possible, and the list administrators only
>can chose from those values. (Most sites would only have one possible
>value, and then that section could preferrably be deleted from the
>list admin pages.)




From ddt at discworld.imaginary.com  Tue Oct 12 02:07:06 1999
From: ddt at discworld.imaginary.com (David Bennett)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:07:06 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives...
Message-ID: <38027BAA.93016863@discworld.imaginary.com>

Morning,

I seem to have a problem with my archives.  They have suddenly started
failing to log...  I had to move the entire mailman tree onto another
disk partition recently and suddenly the archives stoped archiving.  The
.mbox files do not grow and nothing is written into the html piper logs
either.  There are no error messages...  Everything fails silently.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,
David.




From jwt at dskk.co.jp  Tue Oct 12 03:15:45 1999
From: jwt at dskk.co.jp (Jim Tittsler)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:15:45 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] news gateway "GROUP" not implemented
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910101759460.27225-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>; from Michael Ghens on Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 06:23:41PM -0700
References: <199910090504.BAA26964@python.org> <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910101759460.27225-100000@merlin.spconnect.com>
Message-ID: <19991012101545.A7995@mail.dskk.co.jp>

On Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 06:23:41PM -0700, Michael Ghens wrote:
> Tried a  news gateway test. This is the error:
[...]
> nntplib.error_perm: 500 "GROUP" not implemented; try "help".

Were you running the mailman gateway on the same machine as the news server?
(Or on another machine that is an NNTP peer of the news server?)

Python's standard nntplib assumes that when it connects it will default to
(NNRP) reader mode.  If the connection ends up in NNTP/news feed mode, many
commands, including "GROUP" will not be recognized.

A quick hack is to add this to your nntplib.py:

diff -u nntplib.py.dist nntplib.py
--- nntplib.py.dist     Tue Apr 28 17:43:35 1998
+++ nntplib.py  Tue Jun 23 22:06:00 1998  
@@ -71,6 +71,10 @@
                self.file = self.sock.makefile('rb')
                self.debugging = 0
                self.welcome = self.getresp()
+               try:
+                   self.welcome = self.shortcmd('mode reader')
+               except:
+                   pass
                if user:
                    resp = self.shortcmd('authinfo user '+user)
                    if resp[:3] == '381':

This makes nntplib use 'mode reader' for all connections.  As Harald Meland
pointed out, this should probably be controlled by adding another optional
argument to nntplib.NNTP(), but if you only use the library with mailman or
in other "client" applications this will suffice.

Jim

P.S. You could also do the 'mode reader' stanza in GatewayManager, but then
you also need to repeat the 'authinfo' code there if your news server needs
authentication, since that must follow the 'mode reader' command.

-- 
Jim Tittsler, Tokyo




From jared_meeker at morinda.com  Tue Oct 12 16:09:29 1999
From: jared_meeker at morinda.com (jaredm)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:09:29 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives...
In-Reply-To: <38027BAA.93016863@discworld.imaginary.com>
Message-ID: <199910121409.IAA19030@ember.morinda.com>

---Reply to mail from David Bennett about [Mailman-Users] Archives...

> Morning,
> 
> I seem to have a problem with my archives.  They have suddenly started
> failing to log...  I had to move the entire mailman tree onto another
> disk partition recently and suddenly the archives stoped archiving.  The
> ..mbox files do not grow and nothing is written into the html piper logs
> either.  There are no error messages...  Everything fails silently.
> 
> Any ideas or suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> David.

You may want to check the file permissions.  When they were moved, they
may have lost the ones they needed.

---End reply
-- 
Jared Meeker
System Operator
Morinda, Inc.






From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Tue Oct 12 17:05:22 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:05:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives...
References: <38027BAA.93016863@discworld.imaginary.com>
Message-ID: <14339.20018.750352.414767@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "DB" == David Bennett <ddt at discworld.imaginary.com> writes:

    DB> I seem to have a problem with my archives.  They have suddenly
    DB> started failing to log...  I had to move the entire mailman
    DB> tree onto another disk partition recently and suddenly the
    DB> archives stoped archiving.  The .mbox files do not grow and
    DB> nothing is written into the html piper logs either.  There are
    DB> no error messages...  Everything fails silently.

The paths to the archives are hard coded into config.db files.  Yes
this is bogus, but that's what happened.  Check the mailing list
archives (search them at http://www.python.org/search/) because I seem
to remember having posted a script to fix those paths.  It probably
makes sense to include such a script in the bin directory.

-Barry



From jeff at life.uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 12 19:46:44 1999
From: jeff at life.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Haas)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:46:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting fails
Message-ID: <199910121746.MAA32208@dagny.life.uiuc.edu>

Hi - 

I've run across an odd problem with one list on a system running
Mailman 1.0.  For this one list, if I choose to reject a message from
the administrative requests page, the rejection notificaiton never gets
sent.  For other lists on the same server, this works fine.

The rejection is logged in ~mailman/logs/vette, but there is no
indication that mailman has tried to pass the message on to sendmail. 
Nothing appears in the sendmail log.

We're suspecting that perhaps the database has become corrupted for
this list.  Any suggestions for tracking this down or for recovering
the database if it is corrupted?

Thanks for any help.






From fraktal at gmx.de  Tue Oct 12 20:48:12 1999
From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:48:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Internationalization Projects?
In-Reply-To: <19991011183922.A7709@wigner.cstc.org>
References: <19991011183922.A7709@wigner.cstc.org>
Message-ID: <NoIDOIw9bODbitB4j7WR9OhVHLrG@4ax.com>

Your  (OpenSoftware Crew <opensoft at est.it>) mail on Mon, 11 Oct 1999
18:39:23 +0200:

>Are there any attempts to translate Mailman into other languages
>or better to make Mailman ready for an easy translation into
>whatever language?

THis was a topic here several times and we actually never heard much.
There wwas a rumour that a futire version will be more easily adaptable.

I am also interested in this and would love to help with work on German
files.

OG
-- 
Aus der Signatur-Serie: Wunschprogramm fuer Dr. Dagmar L.:
Spock has three ears. ROT13: Bar yrsg rne, bar evtug rne naq gur
svany sebag rne. More Trek-jokes welcome. Please send to poster.
   Literatur am Draht --> http://www.carpe.com/lit/



From hostmaster at total.net  Tue Oct 12 21:24:41 1999
From: hostmaster at total.net (Hostmaster)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:24:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive question....can we not see attachments???
Message-ID: <00e001bf14e7$6eacc300$46e6a6c7@mpact.net>

Hello...

I was wondering if there was a way so that when a person views the archives,
that if there is an attachment with it(say a jpg) that when it stores it you
see the gif/jpg instead of the uuencode stuff??

ie: http://www.stupidguytalk.org/pipermail/adult-jokes/

Thanks!

Rob Morin
Montreal, Canada






From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 12 22:01:24 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:01:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archive question....can we not see attachments???
In-Reply-To: <00e001bf14e7$6eacc300$46e6a6c7@mpact.net> from "Hostmaster" at Oct 12, 99 03:24:41 pm
Message-ID: <199910122001.PAA31975@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From jeff at life.uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 13 00:10:35 1999
From: jeff at life.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey Haas)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:10:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting fails
In-Reply-To: <199910121746.MAA32208@dagny.life.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <199910122210.RAA16943@dagny.life.uiuc.edu>

Problem solved, but the answer seems a little peculiar.

If dont_respond_to_post_requests (which somewhat confusingly is
reworded for the web page as "Send mail to poster when their posting is
held for approval?") is set to No and the list is moderated, then when
routine messages come in and are held for approval (because the list is
moderated), the sender is not notified, but also rejecting messages does
not send a rejection message to the sender.

If set to Yes and the list is moderated, then routine messages do not
receive held-for-approval messages, but rejection notifications are
sent.

It would nice if the Details page for this setting would mention that it
affects rejection notifications, or better yet, if the setting didn't
affect rejection notifications.



On 12 Oct, To: mailman-users at python.org wrote:
> Hi - 
> 
> I've run across an odd problem with one list on a system running
> Mailman 1.0.  For this one list, if I choose to reject a message from
> the administrative requests page, the rejection notificaiton never gets
> sent.  For other lists on the same server, this works fine.
> 
> The rejection is logged in ~mailman/logs/vette, but there is no
> indication that mailman has tried to pass the message on to sendmail. 
> Nothing appears in the sendmail log.
> 
> We're suspecting that perhaps the database has become corrupted for
> this list.  Any suggestions for tracking this down or for recovering
> the database if it is corrupted?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users





From listwrangler at iximd.com  Wed Oct 13 17:31:36 1999
From: listwrangler at iximd.com (Listwrangler)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:31:36 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems
Message-ID: <l03110709b42a549505b8@[151.196.99.142]>

I've been away for a while and not slogged through my Mailman email, so I
apologize if this topic has been covered.

This is my latest twist on the password difficulties: Some users are
receiving new passwords when they get their monthly reminders. I have had
one of my personal accounts with this problem, and one of my users has also
been bright enough to notice that what he got is not what he had chosen
when he signed up. I have several other users who aren't very savvy, all
they know is that their password doesn't work. This could be their problem.
(Yes, I have a lot  BDUs -- brain dead users.)

It's a rather elegant security tactic to randomly change passwords on a
monthly basis, but all the same, it's one of those things I would rather
have the option of choosing whether to implement. I'd also like the
opportunity to set the frequency of the password reminder sending, eg, I
have lists where once a quarter or even once a year would be good enough.
I'd also like to be able to force a password sending, if desired necessary.

In the good news, my ISP has finally reset the password so I can get into
the admin pages I've been locked out of for a month. Any luck on getting
the ability to email your administrative password to yourself?

Thanks for the help folks on the list have given me.

Gary

Listwrangler
listwrangler at iximd.com
List administrator and webmaster

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From tonioli at easyline.com.br  Wed Oct 13 20:24:15 1999
From: tonioli at easyline.com.br (Felipe Tonioli)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:24:15 -0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Short Introduction of myself and 1 question
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19991013152415.00920da0@pop3.easyline.com.br>

Hi all, I'm a Brazilian, and I'm NOT a programmer, I'm a network
administrator, but I need a tool to run a maillist, and publish it in html
format, easy no ?
yeah, but the problem is that I need a tool that run under windows NT
plataform, it's not easy find it, so, I'm think about compile any maillist
server for linux to run under NT, not easy too.
Searching for this, I found Python, and mailman, the qustion is, there is
anyone that run this under windows ? what I need to compile this to run
under NT ? Now I'm downloading Win32 Module, I think that will be
necessary, anyone like to help me ?
I known that you are here not to teach, but I need help :) I have no Idea
to became a programmer :)

best regards
Felipe Tonioli



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 13 19:57:43 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:57:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman "Administrators"...
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991011145029.0095ece0@elcic.com> from "Dave Stites" at Oct 11, 99 03:02:49 pm
Message-ID: <199910131757.MAA05723@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Oct 13 23:14:58 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:14:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #353 - 10
  msgs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910101759460.27225-100000@merlin.spconnect.
 com>
References: <199910090504.BAA26964@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991013170959.00b078d0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 06:23 PM 10/10/99 -0700, Michael Ghens wrote:
>Tried a  news gateway test. This is the error:
>
>Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "/home/other/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
>     main()
>   File "/home/other/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 79, in main
>     r,c,first,last,n = conn.group(mlist.linked_newsgroup)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 208, in group
>     resp = self.shortcmd('GROUP ' + name)
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 158, in shortcmd
>     return self.getresp()
>   File "/usr/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 134, in getresp
>     raise error_perm, resp
>nntplib.error_perm: 500 "GROUP" not implemented; try "help".
>
>
>Any sugguestions?

Are you running INN on the news server?  Is the mailman machine defined as
a feed host, rather than a reader host?  If so, it won't work without a patch.  Python's
nntp library can't handle INN right; there have been a couple of patches suggested
in the mailman developers list after I found the trouble; I have a one line patch that
does solve the problem.  However, if you use python in house for other news server
functions, *might*, although I doubt it, cause side effects if your software cares what
the machine banner says, and you ever use it with non inn software...

If you don't know the answer to the questions, telnet to your news server's port
119 from the mailman server.

Does it say "200 somehostname InterNetNews server INN x.x adatestring ready"
or does it say "200 somehostname InterNetNews NNRP server INN x.x adatestring etc"

If it says the former, you have the problem, and need to patch python.
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From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Oct 13 23:18:43 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:18:43 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives...
In-Reply-To: <38027BAA.93016863@discworld.imaginary.com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991013171730.00b07170@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 05:07 PM 10/11/99 -0700, David Bennett wrote:
>Morning,
>
>I seem to have a problem with my archives.  They have suddenly started
>failing to log...  I had to move the entire mailman tree onto another
>disk partition recently and suddenly the archives stoped archiving.  The
>.mbox files do not grow and nothing is written into the html piper logs
>either.  There are no error messages...  Everything fails silently.
>
>Any ideas or suggestions?

Yes.

1) Move them back.
2) Put in a link
3) Go into the archives of this list and find the script that goes into the config.db 
for each list and tell  it you moved the archives...
4) Delete and recreate the list.
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From rachel at intertrader.com  Thu Oct 14 00:43:54 1999
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:43:54 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-specific templates
In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991013170959.00b078d0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910101759460.27225-100000@merlin.spconnect. com>
 <199910090504.BAA26964@python.org>
Message-ID: <4.2.1.10.19991013234149.00aa83f0@127.0.0.1>

Hi all

I'd like to set different templates for each list that I run, so for 
example, some lists get told about the web archives and some only get an 
email interface, and the appropriate information is given in the welcome 
message.

I'm *sure* I've seen some documentation about how to do this, but can't 
find it.

I'd welcome any pointers...

Thanks
Rachel




From krishnamoorthy.s at timesgroup.com  Thu Oct 14 05:17:00 1999
From: krishnamoorthy.s at timesgroup.com (S.Krishnamoorthy)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:47:00 +0530
Subject: [Mailman-Users] A Short Introduction of myself and 1 question
References: <3.0.5.32.19991013152415.00920da0@pop3.easyline.com.br>
Message-ID: <38054B2C.43277255@timesgroup.com>

Felipe Tonioli wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I'm a Brazilian, and I'm NOT a programmer, I'm a network
> administrator, but I need a tool to run a maillist, and publish it in html
> format, easy no ?
> yeah, but the problem is that I need a tool that run under windows NT
> plataform, it's not easy find it, so, I'm think about compile any maillist
> server for linux to run under NT, not easy too.
> Searching for this, I found Python, and mailman, the qustion is, there is
> anyone that run this under windows ? what I need to compile this to run
> under NT ? Now I'm downloading Win32 Module, I think that will be
> necessary, anyone like to help me ?
> I known that you are here not to teach, but I need help :) I have no Idea
> to became a programmer :)
> 
> best regards
> Felipe Tonioli
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

hi felipe,

i believe you would have gone through the Mailman Home Page
... which says "Currently, Mailman does not run on
Windows";-). probably, you could try setting up one linux
box to be your mailing list server ....

however, i believe in experimentation and i would certainly
like to try compiling Mailman on an NT box and see what
happens, unfortunately though, i am in a total *nix
environment. 

keep me update. in the meanwhile, i shall also hunt around
for a way of solving your problem.

cheers
krish

-- 
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Assistant Manager, Response IT,
Times of India, 10, Daryaganj, New Delhi-110 002.
Phone : 3273418   Email : krishnamoorthy.s at timesgroup.com



From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Thu Oct 14 11:11:32 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:11:32 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: htdig
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A32.3.96.990922125101.20534C-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>
References: <19990922132827.E224@tertius.net.au> <Pine.A32.3.96.990922125101.20534C-100000@caesar.power.elte.hu>
Message-ID: <19991014191132.M14430@tertius.net.au>

Gergely Madarasz wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Bek Oberin wrote:
> > How can I set up a search engine like htdig that uses the regular
> > mailman (email+password) security?
> use the local_urls option of htdig

Can somebody give me an actual example of this?  I've been poking
around and come up with this:

start_url:              http://netizen.com.au/mailman/private/
local_urls: http://netizen.com.au/mailman/private/=/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/

But it's still only seeing the auth page.

bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: Learn to let go.  That is the key to happiness.  -- Buddha



From th at nextel.no  Thu Oct 14 11:29:18 1999
From: th at nextel.no (Tor Houghton)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:29:18 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 1.0 & OpenBSD 2.5 & Python 1.5b2
In-Reply-To: <37B47821.A9108EE@yale.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910141128150.29728-100000@opus.nextel.no>

Interesting; why has this changed in 2.5? both 2.3 and 2.4 use "openbsd".

Tor.

On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Nicholas Brenckle wrote:

> 
> I installed the patch as posted by Tor Houghton (mailman-users : 30
> March 1999 -
> http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-March/000941.html )
> This didnt work for me. I still receive the error on newlist creation
> (see below) This is on an OpenBSD 2.5 system and Python 1.5b2.
> 
> A little more poking and I found the solution was to set the list to
> 'openbsd2' instead of 'openbsd' in the posixfile.py lib file.
> 
> Is now:        if sys.platform in ('netbsd1', 'freebsd2', 'freebsd3'):
> Change to:       if sys.platform in ('netbsd1', 'freebsd2', 'freebsd3',
> 'openbsd2'):
> 
> There are two lines that contain the same thing (checking for netbsd and
> freebsd) add the 'openbsd2' to each of them.
> 
> -Nick
> 
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nicholas Brenckle                   Yale University School of Medicine
> nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu                     ITS Med - PO Box 208089
> 203-737-2377                                  New Haven, CT 06520-8089
> 
> 
> Error Message I was getting before the fix to the posixfile.py:
> 
> Traceback (innermost last):
>   File "bin/newlist", line 146, in ?
>     raise SystemExit(main(sys.argv))
>   File "bin/newlist", line 93, in main
>     newlist.Create(list_name, owner_mail, pw)
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 724, in Create
>     self.Lock()
>   File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1379, in Lock
>     self._lock_file.lock('w|', 1)
>   File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 190, in lock
>     flock = fcntl.fcntl(self._file_.fileno(), cmd, flock)
> IOError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument
> 
> 




From mnorberto at campus.uoc.es  Thu Oct 14 18:18:48 1999
From: mnorberto at campus.uoc.es (Mireia Norberto Bayona)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:18:48 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Check_perms results
Message-ID: <199910141618.SAA23657@campus.uoc.es>

I have installed Python 1.5.2 and Mailman latest version on a 

Ultra Server 1, with SunOS 5.6. I have added a new group 

'mailman' with the user 'mailman' in it.



All the installation have been done as root, and without 

problems. But when executes './bin/check_perms' I obtain the 

following results:



/usr/local/mailman/mailman-1.0/.cvsignore

Traceback (innermost last):

  File "./bin/check_perms", line 166, in ?

    checkall()

  File "./bin/check_perms", line 76, in checkall

    os.path.walk(mm_cfg.PREFIX, checkwalk, STATE)

  File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 271, in walk

    walk(name, func, arg)

  File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 265, in walk

    func(arg, top, names)

  File "./bin/check_perms", line 58, in checkwalk

    print path, 'bad gid (has: %s, expected %s)' % (

KeyError: getgrgid(): gid not found



I don't know where this error comes from. 



Thanks in advance, 

____________________________________________________________

Mireia Norberto i Bayona

Universitat Oberta de Catalunya

?rea de Sistemes d'Informaci?

Telf.93.253.23.71

e-mail: mnorberto at campus.uoc.es




From knight at phunc.com  Fri Oct 15 21:20:50 1999
From: knight at phunc.com (Alex Knight)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] admin configuration of lists not saving
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910151218280.86630-100000@phunc.com>

I seem to be having some problems getting the admin cgi's to save the
data. Once the data is modified, a submit ends up bringing another
authentication screen. Earlier on the list, it looks like someone posted a
similar problem, but mine doesnt have the same root of the problem. My
base url looks fine.

I am not having any gid conflicts, it looks fine. I cant find any errors
in any logs, syslog, etc.

Any ideas?

Knight
knight at phunc.com




From jarrell at vt.edu  Fri Oct 15 23:12:18 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:12:18 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Email subscription with no confirmation
In-Reply-To: <37B7057E.5840788@yale.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991015165820.050a85a0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 02:22 PM 8/15/99 -0400, you wrote:

>At the beginning of each year, we do a massive creation of new accounts
>for students. (Well, not THAT massive but a few hundred anyway)
>Currently with PMDF listserv our addstudent script on the unix host that
>holds the student accounts fires off a "subscribe class-of-2001" message
>to the list server and the student is added.
>
>Mailman has that feature but requires a confirmation of the student
>before the subscription is added. While most would argue that this is

Well, you could do a couple of things here...

o Build a script during user generation, which is fed to add_members 
later.  (Probably much more efficient and scalable, and with judicious use 
of ssh could be automated).

o At the begining of the semester go into the lists and make approve, but 
not confirm.  Then just batch approve everyone by clicking "subscribe all 
users".

o Go into mm_cfg.py, and set ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1, which should enable 
the "open list" subscription option, then set your lists to "none" 
temporarily.  (In the admin "privacy" area)

  I'd recommend switching them *back* from type 0 (open) to type 1 
(confirm) or higher, and disabling ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE again later, 
because you really don't want everyone being able to subscribe people willy 
nilly.
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From wheakory at isu.edu  Sat Oct 16 01:12:23 1999
From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 17:12:23 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
Message-ID: <3807B4D6.7F7D6573@isu.edu>

I keep getting this when I click on the link to retrieve my archives

Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/koryslist/ on
this server.

Yes I have the appropriate lines for the pipermail in the   srm.conf
for the APACHE 1.3
Which is

Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/

Also the APACHE server allows access to FollowSymLinks

Is there something that I am missing for this not to work, the
permissions are all set correctly to.
--

Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
Computing & Communication
Academic Computing Analyst sr.

Everything you do must point to him.





From jarrell at vt.edu  Sat Oct 16 00:52:44 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 18:52:44 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archives
In-Reply-To: <3807B4D6.7F7D6573@isu.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991015185213.00acfd30@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

Do you have an appropriate Directory entry granting permission to the 
right directories?

At 05:12 PM 10/15/99 -0600, Kory Wheatley wrote:
>I keep getting this when I click on the link to retrieve my archives
>
>Forbidden You don't have permission to access /pipermail/koryslist/ on
>this server.
>
>Yes I have the appropriate lines for the pipermail in the   srm.conf
>for the APACHE 1.3
>Which is
>
>Alias /pipermail/ /home/mailman/archives/public/
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /home/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
>Also the APACHE server allows access to FollowSymLinks
>
>Is there something that I am missing for this not to work, the
>permissions are all set correctly to.
>--
>
>Kory Wheatley              Office Phone 236-3874
>Computing & Communication
>Academic Computing Analyst sr.
>
>Everything you do must point to him.
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
>http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 
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From gary at rattler.cameron.edu  Sat Oct 16 11:18:39 1999
From: gary at rattler.cameron.edu (gary)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:18:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unknown mailer error 2 [different than previous, similar notes]
In-Reply-To: <199910160900.FAA04137@python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910160406110.16546-100000@rattler.cameron.edu>

Hello,

Recently, I installed mailman-1.0 on a SuSE 6.1 box which uses sendmail
as the MTA.

The install appeared to be flawless.  Each step in the INSTALL document
was carefully followed.  The configure program was given the correct group
of the webserver and mailman.

When I attempt to reply to the authorization request, I receive the
following:

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2

I tried a softlink in /etc/smrsh to /home/mailmail/mail/wrapper, restarted
sendmail, and still had the same problem.

So, I moved to a SuSE 6.2 box which uses PostFix as the MTA, went through
apparently the same procedure and got the same error.

I've been using Majordomo (which uses a security wrapper too) and have had
no problems with the wrapper used by majordomo.

I guess my question is this: How do I tell sendmail about the wrapper?

Best,

Gary




From sparroy at adept.co.za  Sun Oct 17 18:54:23 1999
From: sparroy at adept.co.za (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Roch=E9_Compaan?=)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:54:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] crontab error
Message-ID: <001401bf18c0$43b18c80$0102a8c0@roche.up-front.co.za>

I just installed mailman and everything works perfectly except the crontab.
I keep getting the following error mail and don't know how to fix it:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ?
    main()
  File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main
    lockfile.lock()
  File "/home/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 119, in lock
    os.link(self.lockfile, self.tmpfname)
os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory')

Roch? Compaan




From jread at semiotek.com  Mon Oct 18 05:33:14 1999
From: jread at semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:33:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate mails on my list
Message-ID: <19991017233314.B21554@semiotek.com>

I am seeing duplicated mail on my lists. 

It appears that mailman hangs after delivering a message to all 
or most of the subscribers on a list. Later if I reboot the system
it decides it hasn't sent the mail at all, and resends it to 
everybody again. 

By the time I get around to rebooting I might have several of these 
old hung processes lying around, resulting in a deluge of old mail 
hitting my lists. 

I'm running the latest mailman from the CVS archive (updated today) 
on FreeBSD 3.3 with Python 1.5.2. 

What do I do?

Justin




From gary at rattler.cameron.edu  Mon Oct 18 10:33:01 1999
From: gary at rattler.cameron.edu (gary)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 03:33:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: unknown mailer error 2 [different than previous, similar notes]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910160406110.16546-100000@rattler.cameron.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910180329210.26797-100000@rattler.cameron.edu>

>    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2
> 
> I tried a softlink in /etc/smrsh to /home/mailmail/mail/wrapper, restarted
> sendmail, and still had the same problem.

Sendmail (/etc/sendmail.cf) wanted the line

O DefaultUser=mailman:mailman

Gary





From oguz at smartmedia.ch  Mon Oct 18 10:47:40 1999
From: oguz at smartmedia.ch (Oguz Demirkapi)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:47:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wait ! ?
Message-ID: <380ADEAC294.DD40OGUZ@mail.cybernet-ag.de>

Hi,

When I send any msg to my list Mailman waits for delivering msgs !


Why ? 

What can I do for immediate delivering ?


Tarantor




From kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu  Mon Oct 18 11:55:00 1999
From: kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu (Kadlecsik Jozsi)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:55:00 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature request
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910181128240.16150-100000@sunserv.kfki.hu>

Hello,

I'm requesting a new feature in mailman: alternative addresses per
subscribers, configurable by the subscriber itself.
It could replace the per mailing list table with "Addresses of members
accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement."
Because of new feature, the subscription options should be protected by
the subscriber's password.

Rationale: laziness of the listadm to maintain a huge list with
alternative addresses, which additionally becomes more and more
outdated due to unsubscribed users.

Thank you for mailman!
Jozsef Kadlecsik
--
E-mail : kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu, kadlec at blackhole.kfki.hu
PGP key: finger kadlec at sunserv.kfki.hu | WWW: http://www.kfki.hu/~kadlec
Address: KFKI Research Institute for Particle and Nuclear Physics
         H-1525 Budapest 114, POB. 49, Hungary







From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Oct 18 17:21:41 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:21:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate mails on my list
References: <19991017233314.B21554@semiotek.com>
Message-ID: <14347.15109.113259.810886@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "JW" == Justin Wells <jread at semiotek.com> writes:

    JW> I am seeing duplicated mail on my lists.

I have recently received a few complaints about duplicates to the
python-list, so it looks like I will have to spend some time figuring
this out.  Stay tuned.

-Barry



From nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu  Mon Oct 18 18:16:45 1999
From: nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu (Nicholas Brenckle)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:16:45 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting
Message-ID: <380B47ED.49391932@yale.edu>

A few questions about virtual hosting. Is anyone else doing this? Im not
doing anything complicated, Im not even hosting a different domain, Im
simply aliasing the machinename lists.blah.com to net233-220.blah.com
Now, I have virutal hosting (I think) set up correctly in Apache. I can
view "/listinfo" and it will display only those lists that i have set
the preferred URL to the alias. Works great no?

No. When I go to edit the list with the admin pages, it asks for my pw
on every page reload and ignores my changes.

Can someone post their Apache config entry for the virtual hosting
section? Or are people only aliasing the MX records and things, NOT the
web interface?

-Nick
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nicholas Brenckle                   Yale University School of Medicine
nicholas.brenckle at yale.edu                     ITS Med - PO Box 208089
203-737-2377                                  New Haven, CT 06520-8089




From tomas at euronetics.se  Mon Oct 18 19:11:55 1999
From: tomas at euronetics.se (Tomas Fasth)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:11:55 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Hosting
References: <380B47ED.49391932@yale.edu>
Message-ID: <380B54DB.35BD6A05@euronetics.se>

Nicholas Brenckle wrote:
> 
> Now, I have virutal hosting (I think) set up correctly in Apache. I can
> view "/listinfo" and it will display only those lists that i have set
> the preferred URL to the alias. Works great no?
> 
> No. When I go to edit the list with the admin pages, it asks for my pw
> on every page reload and ignores my changes.

Something in the cookie handling seem to require the file path of URL
to start with "/mailman".

For some information on how I do virtual hosting, see my posting in
the archives:
http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-August/001942.html

<tomas/>



From rachel at intertrader.com  Mon Oct 18 20:30:14 1999
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 19:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] List-specific settings - help !
In-Reply-To: <380B54DB.35BD6A05@euronetics.se>
References: <380B47ED.49391932@yale.edu>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991018192901.00b04930@mail.intertrader.com>

How do I set list-specific settings ? I see references in the scripts to 
the fact that I can do it, but nowhere do I see anything telling me *how* 
to ...

thanks for any advice
rachel




From paula at shiky.com  Tue Oct 19 00:17:17 1999
From: paula at shiky.com (Paula)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:17:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can someone send me "patch-mailman.archiving.gz" please
Message-ID: <000801bf19b6$994bfee0$0201a8c0@sympatico.ca>

Can someone send me this patch so I can use an external archiver so that one can see attachment(.gif, .jpg) in the archive

Thank you very much

Paula...

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From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 19 01:08:56 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:08:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can someone send me "patch-mailman.archiving.gz" please
In-Reply-To: <000801bf19b6$994bfee0$0201a8c0@sympatico.ca> from "Paula" at Oct 18, 99 06:17:17 pm
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From blurr at txraves.org  Tue Oct 19 01:10:44 1999
From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:10:44 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can someone send me "patch-mailman.archiving.gz" please
References: <000801bf19b6$994bfee0$0201a8c0@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <000f01bf19be$01ba4b10$eb01a8c0@GROOVEBOX>

hmmmm.. i'd be interested in this too... where can i find this?

----------------------------------
-] jordan
-] blurr at txraves.org
-] http://www.txraves.org/~blurr

"* RevSandip and jordan are the proprietors of TXRAVES HOSTEL fer 
WAYWARD RAVERS -- where all are welcome and those who happen to
be cute girls or folks bearing gifts of drugs are MORE welcome... >=)"

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paula 
  To: mailman-users at python.org 
  Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 5:17 PM
  Subject: [Mailman-Users] Can someone send me "patch-mailman.archiving.gz" please


  Can someone send me this patch so I can use an external archiver so that one can see attachment(.gif, .jpg) in the archive

  Thank you very much

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From dayton at overx.com  Tue Oct 19 08:10:32 1999
From: dayton at overx.com (Soren Dayton)
Date: 19 Oct 1999 01:10:32 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #363 - 10 msgs
In-Reply-To: mailman-users-admin@python.org's message of "Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:05:16 -0400 (EDT)"
References: <199910190505.BAA14129@python.org>
Message-ID: <867lkjhodj.fsf@polo.overx.com>

No it didn't.  It wanted a better solution.  I don't have this
problem.  Perhaps things aren't SGID?

Soren


gary <gary at rattler.cameron.edu> writes:

> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 03:33:01 -0500 (CDT)
> From: gary <gary at rattler.cameron.edu>
> To: mailman-users at python.org
> In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910160406110.16546-100000 at rattler.cameron.edu>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910180329210.26797-100000 at rattler.cameron.edu>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: unknown mailer error 2 [different than previous, similar notes]
> 
> >    ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> > 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... unknown mailer error 2
> > 
> > I tried a softlink in /etc/smrsh to /home/mailmail/mail/wrapper, restarted
> > sendmail, and still had the same problem.
> 
> Sendmail (/etc/sendmail.cf) wanted the line
> 
> O DefaultUser=mailman:mailman
> 
> Gary



From gary at rattler.cameron.edu  Tue Oct 19 08:48:41 1999
From: gary at rattler.cameron.edu (gary)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 01:48:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users digest, Vol 1 #363 - 10 msgs
In-Reply-To: <867lkjhodj.fsf@polo.overx.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910190145260.1810-100000@rattler.cameron.edu>

> No it didn't.  It wanted a better solution.  I don't have this
> problem.  Perhaps things aren't SGID?
> 
> Soren

> gary <gary at rattler.cameron.edu> writes:
> > 
> > Sendmail (/etc/sendmail.cf) wanted the line
> > 
> > O DefaultUser=mailman:mailman
> > 
> > Gary

Well, it appeared very happy to me. :)  However, to respond to your
suggestion, no, I used the correct group ids for both page & mail servers
during the config.  

I must admit, I'm a little uneasy with sendmail able to run under the
mailman group id.  However, I don't know another solution.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Gary




From stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch  Tue Oct 19 08:53:15 1999
From: stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch (Stefan Neuenschwander)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:53:15 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing users
Message-ID: <v04210113b430f16eca7b@[130.92.7.149]>

Hello to all!

We now have set up a listserver successfully. But we have the 
problem, that we have to move old lists to our new listserver.
Is there a built-in way to import a userlist and get them sent a 
notification about there user-id with a preset password?

thanks
University of Berne
Stefan Neuenschwander



From jread at semiotek.com  Tue Oct 19 11:17:47 1999
From: jread at semiotek.com (Justin Wells)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 05:17:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Importing users
In-Reply-To: <v04210113b430f16eca7b@[130.92.7.149]>
References: <v04210113b430f16eca7b@[130.92.7.149]>
Message-ID: <19991019051747.A1769@semiotek.com>

I had the exact same question, the answer is look in the 'bin' directory
that mailman stalls. There are a bunch of programs there which, if you 
run them with no arguments, mostly tell you what they are for and how
to use them. You will find you can do this and other things using 
these programs on the command line. 

It was not obvious to me, when setting up mailman, that these were 
programs that I was supposed to run myself--probably the documentation
should be improved. 

Justin


On Tue, Oct 19, 1999 at 08:53:15AM +0200, Stefan Neuenschwander wrote:
> Hello to all!
> 
> We now have set up a listserver successfully. But we have the 
> problem, that we have to move old lists to our new listserver.
> Is there a built-in way to import a userlist and get them sent a 
> notification about there user-id with a preset password?
> 
> thanks
> University of Berne
> Stefan Neuenschwander
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users



From rachel at intertrader.com  Tue Oct 19 12:36:51 1999
From: rachel at intertrader.com (Rachel Willmer)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 11:36:51 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] list-specific templates
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991019100449.00b10be0@mail.intertrader.com>

Sorry, my previous email wasn't clear.

I know that you can modify some settings on a per list basis from the admin 
page on the lists website.

I want to make the templates list-specific, and thought that I could change 
TEMPLATE_DIR to do this, to make it "templates/(listname)" rather than just 
"templates"

Trying to append (real_name) to TEMPLATE_DIR doesn't work, I suspect this 
is getting interpolated at a later stage.

So how can I change TEMPLATE_DIR on a per-list basis ?

Rachel




From andy at goingv.com  Tue Oct 19 21:42:37 1999
From: andy at goingv.com (Andy Ciordia)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:42:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error w/Mailman: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.9910191540530.7031-100000@argyle>

Every now and then mailman throws a piece of mail out that should be going
to a group that does exist.  Here's the error, if anyone has any
suggestions or trouble shooting, it would be apprecaited.

-Andy


From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
To: webmaster-admin
Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
"|/d0/mailman/mail/wrapper post webmaster"
    (expanded from: <webmaster at goingv.com>)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/d0/mailman/scripts/post", line 45, in ?
    mlist = MailList.MailList(sys.argv[1])
  File "/d0/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 55, in __init__
    raise Errors.MMUnknownListError, 'list not found: %s' % name
MMUnknownListError: list not found: webmaster
554 "|/d0/mailman/mail/wrapper post webmaster"... unknown mailer error 1




From jerrya at fastrans.net  Tue Oct 19 21:50:09 1999
From: jerrya at fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 14:50:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Trying to use ht://dig for private archive
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910191447010.14233-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

I have seen others mention that they are using ht://dig for searching
their private archives by having it index the files on the disk instead of
crawling through the web server. I have it installed and working, but I
can't figure out how to to make htdig index the files. If anyone has this
sort of setup working, please let me know what you had to do to configure
it that way.

Thank you.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From knight at phunc.com  Wed Oct 20 07:04:40 1999
From: knight at phunc.com (Alex Knight)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:04:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] still cant use admin interface
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9910192203250.86630-100000@phunc.com>

I'm still having problems using the admin interface. What's really odd is
that there are no cookie problems, and nothing is complaining about there
being any permissions problems (nothing).

I've seen alot of people on FreeBSD complain about this over the last 6
weeks. Any possible connections?

Knight




From JJudge at kenan.com  Wed Oct 20 12:54:40 1999
From: JJudge at kenan.com (Judge, Jack)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 11:54:40 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] beginners questions
Message-ID: <F8534608088ED211A96F0090271E25FC017F7ACF@lon-exch1.kenan.com>

Hi,

I've just started playing with MM and I've a couple of questions.

First of all, where is the URL for the overall server administrator ?
I can find the pages for the individual list admins easily enough, but not
one for the overall server administrator. As the server admin, how do I
administer a list (or even remove one) if the list owner isn't available ?

Is editing the mm_cfg.py file the only way of setting server policies ?
And I suppose any policy changes I make wouldn't be retroactive and affect
any previously created lists ?

JJ
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From pol at est.it  Wed Oct 20 20:31:02 1999
From: pol at est.it (Paolo M. Pumilia)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 20:31:02 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman cannot respond to the list owner
Message-ID: <19991020203101.A15012@wigner.cstc.org>

After my first test on a local network, I tried to install Mailman
on a mail server in the internet.
Apache and Smail are running on that site, that will be called 'dom.org'
The host name is 'hname' so that the complete addresses for users on that
site is of the form:  user at hname.dom.org
A new list has just been created by user1 then a notification is to be
expected from the mailman. Yet notification never gets user1, due to
a not valid domain in the address.
Gere is part from smtp-failures:


 > Oct 20 16:12:01 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:    Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPSenderRefused
+/ (550, "'<mailman-owner at hname.dom.org>size=1470' sender address target 'hname.dom.org'
+is not a valid e-mail domain.", 'mailman-owner at hname.dom.org')  (deferred)
 > Oct 20 16:12:01 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:  MTA 'localhost' relaying restrictions probably
+too strict -- even for sender 'mailman-owner at hname.dom.org'
 > Oct 20 16:42:01 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To user1 at dom.org:


I am not thw owner of that machine, so i cannot infer from the warning
"relaying restrictions probably too strict" what must be adjusted in site
configuration.
Mail sent to user1 from another user on the same host are promptly received
whether using the address  user1  or  user1 at dom.org   or  user1 at hname.dom.org

Any suggestions?

thank you
Paolo Pumilia
email: pumilia at est.it
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From mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu  Wed Oct 20 23:46:15 1999
From: mar at Ag.Arizona.Edu (Michael Rose)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:46:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with my domain
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991020144615.007e9ec0@ag.arizona.edu>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem I am having.  When
we send mail out using Mailman, the mail is only delivered to those with a
domain of ag.arizona.edu.  When I checked the smtp-failures file in my log
directory, I got the following message, many times.  This example is just
from someone with the domain "u.arizona.edu" which are our primary users
besides those with "ag.arizona.edu".  

Sep 15 20:10:11 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To xxxxxx at u.arizona.edu:
Sep 15 20:10:11 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
sRefused  / {'xxxxxx at u.arizona.edu': (550, '<xxxxxx at u.arizona.edu>... we do
not
relay')}  (dequeued)

This message is shown with more than just people with domains
"u.arizona.edu", there is also problems with "aol.com", etc.  If anybody
has any information that would help me solve this problem, I would greatly
appreciate it.  Thank-you.


Michael Rose
Ag Networking Lab
Forbes 218
621-2489



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Oct 21 00:16:43 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:16:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with my domain
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991020144615.007e9ec0@ag.arizona.edu> from "Michael Rose" at Oct 20, 99 02:46:15 pm
Message-ID: <199910202216.RAA25534@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From darcy at druid.net  Thu Oct 21 00:27:50 1999
From: darcy at druid.net (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 18:27:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problems with my domain
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991020144615.007e9ec0@ag.arizona.edu> from Michael Rose at "Oct 20, 1999 02:46:15 pm"
Message-ID: <m11e4D0-0000bFC@druid.net>

Thus spake Michael Rose
> I was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem I am having.  When
> we send mail out using Mailman, the mail is only delivered to those with a
> domain of ag.arizona.edu.  When I checked the smtp-failures file in my log
> directory, I got the following message, many times.  This example is just
> from someone with the domain "u.arizona.edu" which are our primary users
> besides those with "ag.arizona.edu".  
> 
> Sep 15 20:10:11 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To xxxxxx at u.arizona.edu:
> Sep 15 20:10:11 1999 TrySMTPDelivery:
> Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipient
> sRefused  / {'xxxxxx at u.arizona.edu': (550, '<xxxxxx at u.arizona.edu>... we do
> not
> relay')}  (dequeued)

You aren't blocking yourself from relaying, are you?  Sometimes people
forget to allow their own IP to access the SMTP port.  This can go
unnoticed if your local mail programs call sendmail directly but mailman
connects to the SMTP port.

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@{druid|vex}.net>   |  Democracy is three wolves
http://www.druid.net/darcy/                |  and a sheep voting on
+1 416 425 1212     (DoD#0082)    (eNTP)   |  what's for dinner.



From jerrya at fastrans.net  Thu Oct 21 05:58:00 1999
From: jerrya at fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:58:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] unable to edit my archive page
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910202246400.19667-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

I am trying to edit my Archives Index Page with the web interface, and my
changes aren't showing up. The archive is private, and works just fine. I
just finished configuring ht://dig to index the private archive and now I
want to put the search doodads on the archive page.

Changes I make on the web form show up in ~/lists/listname/archives.html
but never make it to ~/archives/private/listname/index.html, even after
someone sends mail to the list. The index.html file is overwritten
everytime a message is posted, which blows away anything I tried to add
there.

Just to see if the web-based editor worked, I was able to successfully
edit the General list information page.

I would appreciate any help in modifying this file.

(Mailman 1.0 on a RedHat 6.0 system.)

Thanks!

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From pol at est.it  Thu Oct 21 08:18:06 1999
From: pol at est.it (Paolo M. Pumilia)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:18:06 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fully qualified domain name
In-Reply-To: <19991020203101.A15012@wigner.cstc.org>
References: <19991020203101.A15012@wigner.cstc.org>
Message-ID: <19991021081806.A2903@wigner.cstc.org>

Received from Paolo M. Pumilia, On Wed Oct 20 at 20:31:
 .
 .Mail sent to user1 from another user on the same host are promptly received
 .whether using the address  user1  or  user1 at dom.org   or  user1 at hname.dom.org
 .
What i would like to figure out is how did the host name 'hname' enter the address. 
I have always used 'user1 at dom.org' in configuration files (alias, ect.); 
I wonder where, in the python routines (i guess), the address has been changed to the 
fully qualified domain name.
Any help?

thank you
Paolo Pumilia
email: pumilia at est.it
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From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Oct 21 08:59:53 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 01:59:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fully qualified domain name
In-Reply-To: <19991021081806.A2903@wigner.cstc.org> from "Paolo M. Pumilia" at Oct 21, 99 08:18:06 am
Message-ID: <199910210659.BAA00548@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Oct 21 10:45:08 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:45:08 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] beginners questions
In-Reply-To: <F8534608088ED211A96F0090271E25FC017F7ACF@lon-exch1.kenan.c
 om>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991021044251.00ae0570@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 11:54 AM 10/20/99 +0100, Judge, Jack wrote:

>Hi, 
>
>I've just started playing with MM and I've a couple of questions. 
>
>First of all, where is the URL for the overall server administrator ? 

Is none.  Only two things a server admin really does is create lists, and delete them.
Which use use the command line for for now.

>I can find the pages for the individual list admins easily enough, but not one for the overall server administrator. As the server admin, how do I administer a list (or even remove one) if the list owner isn't available ?

Removal is command line.  To administer a list, just go to that lists page, and use
your site password (which you set with mmsitepass) instead of any other password,
and you'll "trump" their password and get your way.  Works on user pages too.


>Is editing the mm_cfg.py file the only way of setting server policies ? 
>And I suppose any policy changes I make wouldn't be retroactive and affect any previously created lists ? 

Those aren't policies so much as defaults; new lists are created that way for the most part;
old lists aren't affected, because they're settings are done at their individual setting pages..
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From pumilia at est.it  Thu Oct 21 15:48:50 1999
From: pumilia at est.it (Paolo)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:48:50 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fully qualified domain name
Message-ID: <19991021154850.A14908@wigner.cstc.org>

Received from Christopher Lindsey, On Thu Oct 21 at  1:59:
 .>  .Mail sent to user1 from another user on the same host are promptly received
 .>  .whether using the address  user1  or  user1 at dom.org   or  user1 at hname.dom.org
 .>  .
 .> What i would like to figure out is how did the host name 'hname' enter the address. 
 .> I have always used 'user1 at dom.org' in configuration files (alias, ect.); 
 .
 .I don't think that this is a problem with Mailman.  The best way
 .to test this is by sending mail to the fully-qualified address
 .and seeing if it changes in the To: header.  If it stays the way
 .that you typed it, then you're just dealing with a simple case of
 .RFC 822 compliance.

The address stays as the sender typed it. What does RFC 822 compliance imply?

 .If you're using a different MTA, tough noogies.  I haven't played
 .with them enough to know how to deal with this.  :)

Smail is the MTA on the site Mailman should be running.
Sysdamin told me that relaying restrictions have been very strictly set after
a dangerous attack by unknown intruders. 

Anybody found himself in a simillar situation?

thanks

Paolo Pumilia
email: pumilia at est.it
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From JJudge at kenan.com  Thu Oct 21 15:16:22 1999
From: JJudge at kenan.com (Judge, Jack)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:16:22 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next question *-)
Message-ID: <F8534608088ED211A96F0090271E25FC017F7B57@lon-exch1.kenan.com>

Many thanks for that, forgive me if these questions seem basic but I
couldn't find answers in any FAQ or online resource.
 
Next question, how do I go about setting up "umbrella lists" ? 
 
Assume I can set up a list, parent1, with two other lists, child1 and child2
as members. Now I have a regular subscriber who is a member of child1 and
child2. How can I stop him receiving duplicates of all messages sent to
parent1 ?
 
Thanks In Advance,
 
JJ
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Jarrell [mailto:jarrell at vt.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 9:45 AM
To: Judge, Jack; mailman-users at python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] beginners questions


At 11:54 AM 10/20/99 +0100, Judge, Jack wrote:



Hi, 

I've just started playing with MM and I've a couple of questions. 

First of all, where is the URL for the overall server administrator ? 


Is none.  Only two things a server admin really does is create lists, and
delete them.
Which use use the command line for for now.



I can find the pages for the individual list admins easily enough, but not
one for the overall server administrator. As the server admin, how do I
administer a list (or even remove one) if the list owner isn't available ?


Removal is command line.  To administer a list, just go to that lists page,
and use
your site password (which you set with mmsitepass) instead of any other
password,
and you'll "trump" their password and get your way.  Works on user pages
too.




Is editing the mm_cfg.py file the only way of setting server policies ? 
And I suppose any policy changes I make wouldn't be retroactive and affect
any previously created lists ? 


Those aren't policies so much as defaults; new lists are created that way
for the most part;
old lists aren't affected, because they're settings are done at their
individual setting pages.. 

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From jarrell at vt.edu  Thu Oct 21 16:04:23 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:04:23 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Next question *-)
In-Reply-To: <F8534608088ED211A96F0090271E25FC017F7B57@lon-exch1.kenan.c
 om>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991021100322.00caeac0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 02:16 PM 10/21/99 +0100, Judge, Jack wrote:
>Many thanks for that, forgive me if these questions seem basic but I couldn't find answers in any FAQ or online resource.
>  
>Next question, how do I go about setting up "umbrella lists" ? 
>  
>Assume I can set up a list, parent1, with two other lists, child1 and child2 as members. Now I have a regular subscriber who is a member of child1 and child2. How can I stop him receiving duplicates of all messages sent to parent1 ?
>  

You don't.  It's not so much an umbrella as a cascading list.  Internally mailman doesn't know by the time it gets to the kids where it came from, and treats it as seperate notes.
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From hostmaster at total.net  Thu Oct 21 19:26:54 1999
From: hostmaster at total.net (Hostmaster)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:26:54 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archiver question ..again...
Message-ID: <00bd01bf1be9$78303b60$46e6a6c7@mpact.net>

OK here is the story...

I have a mailing list that is primarily graphics based meaning emails with
gif's & jpg's in them...

Now with pipermail no one can view the attachments/graphics. Now I heard
there is a patch for this? The option of using an external archive, like
"MHonArc" which can do inline images or decode the uuencode which ever is
more correct.

 I finally got a hold of CVS installed it and got to the CVS server and got
the latest source(I guess as of today) now, do I have to re-install the
whole thing again? If so what will happen to my existing mailing lists and
archives? If I do does it automatically make all existing archives readable
or just the new ones...?


OR can I just replace the Defaults.py file and set EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER
=0 to "1" and keep my version I have now that I got on the 19th of Oct ?
And if so,  how does it know where the external archive is and what command
line to use?

I am sorry for bothering anyone regarding this but I find it difficult to
find info on this and how to implement it...??

Any help from someone who has done it would be greatly appreciated!!!

THANKS!

Rob Morin
Montreal, Canada






From mats at laplaza.org  Thu Oct 21 20:22:00 1999
From: mats at laplaza.org (Mats Wichmann)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:22:00 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] email interface
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.19991021122200.00fc2d30@laplaza.org>

Hello, folks.  I've fiddled around with mailman some
in the past but I'm basically a newbie.  I've just
had some lists I run converted over by my ISP, who
made the switch from majordomo as part of a general
upgrade - there wasn't a choice involved here.

I've got some subscribers who are rabidly anti-web
(which, if anyone saw the quality of phone lines
in this rural area, they might understand better),
so I'm interested in more details of the email 
interface rather than the web interface which I'm
sure will be fine for the majority.

The two questions which I haven't found anything on:

can you access the archives to see which are available
and request one to be delivered entirely by email 
without involving a web browser (obviously the "list 
by thread" stuff is useless in an email interface so
I'm only curious about "index" and "get" sorts of
functions).

and...

can arbitrary files be placed in the archive location
for fetching either by email request or by web
interface?

(the latter has sometimes proven useful when a group
is collaboratively developing a document and drafts
of said document are added to the "archive directory";
or where there's a position paper or group charter;
or a list of resources...anyway, said file can then
be fetched via email command.)

These two have been possible with majordomo....

thanks,

Mats Wichmann





From pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca  Thu Oct 21 21:06:28 1999
From: pfaff at edge.cis.mcmaster.ca (Todd Pfaff)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:06:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] External Archiver question ..again...
In-Reply-To: <00bd01bf1be9$78303b60$46e6a6c7@mpact.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9910211449490.23321-100000@edge.cis.mcmaster.ca>

Rob,

I don't have any experience using an external archiver as you're asking
about so this answer is not directly related to your question, but I have
done a lot of recent work converting some old listproc archives to mailman
pipermail archives using the mailman arch program.  This information may
help you with your archiver conversion process.

I was adding some old listproc archives to the existing pipermail archives
for a list that I had moved from listproc to mailman a while ago.  The
list had been active under mailman and so had generated some new pipermail
archives, and I wanted to get the old listproc archives prepended to the
new mailman archives.  Since I had to do some trial-and-error testing of
the conversion process, I needed a quick way to be able to completely
regenerate all the HTML archives from the original text mbox files.  This
turned out to be easier than I first thought.

What I found is that you can quite easily recreate the pipermail HTML
archives at any time by doing the following:

cd /usr/local/mailman
rm -rf archives/private/listname
./bin/arch russell-l archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox

So, what you would have to do is to backup the listname.mbox files from
your old mailman installation before reinstalling mailman.  Then, for each
list, run the procedure above to recreate the html archives.

I imagine a similar process would work if one was changing from pipermail
archives to some other external archiver such as MHonArc.  Please let us
know how the conversion goes since I'd also like to try using MHonArc.

I think it would be useful for all of us if anyone has gone through such
a conversion process already that they could contribute any programs they
used to automate the process.


On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Hostmaster wrote:

> OK here is the story...
> 
> I have a mailing list that is primarily graphics based meaning emails with
> gif's & jpg's in them...
> 
> Now with pipermail no one can view the attachments/graphics. Now I heard
> there is a patch for this? The option of using an external archive, like
> "MHonArc" which can do inline images or decode the uuencode which ever is
> more correct.
> 
>  I finally got a hold of CVS installed it and got to the CVS server and got
> the latest source(I guess as of today) now, do I have to re-install the
> whole thing again? If so what will happen to my existing mailing lists and
> archives? If I do does it automatically make all existing archives readable
> or just the new ones...?
> 
> 
> OR can I just replace the Defaults.py file and set EXTERNAL_PUBLIC_ARCHIVER
> =0 to "1" and keep my version I have now that I got on the 19th of Oct ?
> And if so,  how does it know where the external archive is and what command
> line to use?
> 
> I am sorry for bothering anyone regarding this but I find it difficult to
> find info on this and how to implement it...??
> 
> Any help from someone who has done it would be greatly appreciated!!!
> 
> THANKS!
> 
> Rob Morin
> Montreal, Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Mailman-Users maillist  -  Mailman-Users at python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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From Thomas.Esamie at uts.EDU.AU  Fri Oct 22 08:21:42 1999
From: Thomas.Esamie at uts.EDU.AU (Thomas Esamie)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:21:42 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on Mac OS X (BSD-ish)
Message-ID: <l03102805b435a56b5e47@[138.25.145.166]>

Hello,

I have taken it upon myself to attempt installing mailman on Macintosh OS X Server.

I got Python (1.5.2) and installed that without any apparent problems and then followed the steps to install mailman (1.0). I then tried to run ./configure and it failed because it could not find the "mailman" user account.

It (the account) _is_ there, I can see it and I created it. (I even deleted and recreated it, you never know) However the configure script conks out on me every time. I wonder whether any of you have had similar/same problems and could furnish me with possible solutions. I would certainly appreciate it.

Perhaps even a checklist of things I might not be doing right (I'm by no means a UNIX guru and it's by no means out of the question that I've goofed) if there exists such a thing would be handy.

Greetings,
Thomas

PS. Or of course mailman doesn't run on OSX at all... :-(





From gchavdarov at dirbg.com  Fri Oct 22 16:31:25 1999
From: gchavdarov at dirbg.com (George Chavdarov)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:31:25 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this feature in mailman?
References: <E11edWf-0001Fa-00@web.dir.bg>
Message-ID: <000701bf1c9a$1ecf32e0$053f91c2@dir.bg>

Hi all!
I set up test list but i need to know something
Can i make list where only owner or persons approved by owner can post
messages. all other are prohibited.
Looking in mailman i found that can make all other mail go to approval to
owner but i dont need it like this

Best regards,
George Chavdarov
System administrator - www.dir.bg




From pol at est.it  Fri Oct 22 19:36:35 1999
From: pol at est.it (Paolo M. Pumilia)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:36:35 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fully qualified domain name - 2
Message-ID: <19991022193635.A14764@wigner.cstc.org>

I think have found te reason why mailman builds a fully qualified doman name 
of recipients. It gains that information from the variable DEFAULT_HOST_NAME
in mm_cfg.py:
    
DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'hname.dom.org'
DEFAULT_URL       = 'http://hname.dom.org/mailman'
    

May i simply change to DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'dom.org' 
tnen compile again the whole package, to get mm_cfg.pyc ?

thank you for your help 

Paolo Pumilia
email: pumilia at est.it
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From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Fri Oct 22 19:43:01 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:43:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] fully qualified domain name - 2
In-Reply-To: <19991022193635.A14764@wigner.cstc.org> from "Paolo M. Pumilia" at Oct 22, 99 07:36:35 pm
Message-ID: <199910221743.MAA11726@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From herman at hermann.dyn.tj  Sat Oct 23 06:10:56 1999
From: herman at hermann.dyn.tj (Herman Van Keer)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:10:56 -0600
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available
Message-ID: <38113550.83782334@hermann.dyn.tj>

Hi mailman-users,

I've been using mailman for a while now.
I use it for three lists: for an organisation, a family list and a
silent one about changes on my homepage.

I recently upgraded from RedHat 5.2 to Mandrake 6.0.
Apparently sendmail has been upgraded to - though I do not know from
which version to: 8.9.3

And now I get this error message:
sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner my_list"... Service
unavailable

Funny thing is:
when I change my sendmail.cf to the older version, it works.
Changing again to the new version - errors!

I now a LITTLE BIT about sendmail, but surely not enough to solve this
problem.
A search in the archive did not show any hints.

Hints and/or pointers to messages are really appreciated.
I like the program very much.
Especially since I can now use it for a non-profit organisation here in
Calgary,AB.

Thanks for the help,
Herman


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+---------------------------------------------------------+
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From EYOBOLITES at aol.com  Sat Oct 23 06:44:01 1999
From: EYOBOLITES at aol.com (EYOBOLITES at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:44:01 EDT
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a mailing List!!
Message-ID: <0.7b6e82a6.25429711@aol.com>

How can I creat a mailing list using Mailman?
Plse, advise ASAP
Eyobolites



From ken at kyler.com  Sat Oct 23 13:23:11 1999
From: ken at kyler.com (Ken Kyler)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 07:23:11 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not rejection messages
Message-ID: <002001bf1d48$fd900c30$0200a8c0@cheat>

I've searched the archives and bug database and didn't see this anywhere.
Maybe someone else has had this problem.

The lists are set to members only, some are moderated and some are not.
Messages that are rejected are not being sent back to the sender.  Anyone
know why?

--
Ken Kyler, List Manager
Ken at eLists.org
http://www.eLists.org





From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Sat Oct 23 18:20:45 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:20:45 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] wrapper not available
In-Reply-To: <38113550.83782334@hermann.dyn.tj>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9910231816540.16691-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Herman Van Keer wrote:

> Hi mailman-users,
> 
> 
> And now I get this error message:
> sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs
> 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner my_list"... Service
> unavailable
It has to do with a new sendmail feature to protect from old holes. Only
authorized programs can be run as mailers. To get mailman back on track
you need to add a symbolic link to $prefix/mail/wrapper in /etc/smrsh as
in:
ls -l /etc/smrsh/
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   26 Aug 24 16:52 wrapper ->/home/mailman/mail/wrapper

--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es  Sat Oct 23 18:25:27 1999
From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:25:27 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Creating a mailing List!!
In-Reply-To: <0.7b6e82a6.25429711@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9910231821210.16691-100000@vgg.sci.uma.es>

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 EYOBOLITES at aol.com wrote:

> How can I creat a mailing list using Mailman?
> Plse, advise ASAP

cd to the directory where mailman lives (e.g.: /home/mailman) and invoke,
beeing somebody with privileges in tha Mailman directory tree:

bin/newlist

Answer question as asked. And paste the result to your /etc/aliases file
(if you are running sendmail). The run newaliases. After that, or better,
before pasting, go to the web interface and configure your list to your
herar content. The URL for doing so would be:
http://somehost.somedomain/mailman/admin/listname (where listname is the
name you have given to your list)

Enjoy,


--
Victoriano Giralt
Systems Programmer
Central Computing Facility
University of M?laga
SPAIN




From gary at rattler.cameron.edu  Sun Oct 24 06:15:13 1999
From: gary at rattler.cameron.edu (gary)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:15:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] privacy options / feature addition?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910232303010.31460-100000@rattler.cameron.edu>

In the admin section of a list, you are given the option of specifying a
regular expression for a match against a header value. [Hold posts with
header value matching a specified regexp.]

Is it possible to specify an expression to match against the body of a
message?  Something like majordomo's taboo expressions.  If not, it would
be a nice feature to add.

Regards,

Gary






From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Mon Oct 25 06:21:29 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:21:29 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender.
Message-ID: <19991025142129.D27020@tertius.net.au>

The following stupid bounce message isn't getting picked up
by mailman ...


bekj

----- Forwarded message from Super-User <root at tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net> -----

To: perl-ai-admin at netizen.com.au
Subject: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender.
From: Super-User <root at tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:35:42 +0000

Subject: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. 
The following address(es) failed:

  ilpltd.demon.co.uk [158.152.89.191]:

RSET
250 Reset state
MAIL FROM:<perl-ai-admin at netizen.com.au>
250 <perl-ai-admin at netizen.com.au>... Sender ok
RCPT TO:<charlie at yitm.com>
550 <charlie at yitm.com>... User unknown

----- Original Message Follows ------

 Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for charlie at yitm.com
           id 940816694:20:22163:0; Mon, 25 Oct 99 01:58:14 GMT
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 	for <charlie at granada-learning.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:58:48 +0100
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 From: John Nolan <jpnolan at Op.Net>
 Received: (from jpnolan at localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) id VAA12062; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:42:19 -0400 (EDT)
 Message-Id: <199910250142.VAA12062 at monet.op.net>
 Subject: Re: [Perl-AI] Re: Burke's Ambiguity Conjecture (was Re: parsing NLs, and
 To: sburke at netadventure.net (Sean M. Burke)
 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:42:18 -0400 (EDT)
 Cc: perl-ai at netizen.com.au, bet at mordor.net, jpnolan at Op.Net
 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991024132621.00819e40 at stonehenge.netadventure.net> from "Sean M. Burke" at Oct 24, 99 01:26:21 pm
 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24]
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 Sender: perl-ai-admin at netizen.com.au
 Errors-To: perl-ai-admin at netizen.com.au
 X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc2
 Precedence: bulk
 List-Id: Discussions of Artificial Intelligence in Perl <perl-ai.netizen.com.au>
 X-BeenThere: perl-ai at netizen.com.au
 
 
 > I've never noticed a case of a language extending its /syntax/ to embrace
 > new concepts -- and certainly not in the direction of a syntactic ambiguity.
 > Certainly it's not the general way to do so -- lexical and idiomatic
 > innovation seems the main (and possibly only) way that languages do that.
 
 Hm.  You  might have a point here, but then again, you might not.
 I'm not convinced that examples of syntactic innovation cannot
 be found.  I can't think of any, but that doesn't mean they
 are not there, waiting to be found.  Manifestly, language syntax 
 does change with time. 
 
 > And I don't see how /syntactic/ ambiguity gives languages their richness
 > or makes them less boring.
 
 Well, I'm not sure anyone said that, specifically... I just think
 that ambiguity per se should not necessarily be construed
 as some kind of error or obstacle.  I personally am not distinguishing
 cleanly between syntax and semantics, and I think that this 
 is an apprpriate point of view.  (But I am naive and ill-informed,
 so you can ignore me.)
 
 Ambiguity makes things hard to parse, but I don't care,
 because I'm not writing a parser.  :)  
 
 Take the following example:
 
    1) Happy dog, dog fast.
    2) Dog run run run!
    3) Happy fish, fish fast.
    4) Fish swim swim swim!

[snip - Remainder of message]

----- End forwarded message -----

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: school of genius.  -- Edward Gibbon



From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk  Mon Oct 25 13:00:43 1999
From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:00:43 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate mails on my list 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw@cnri.reston.va.us> 
   of "Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:21:41 EDT." <14347.15109.113259.810886@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> 
Message-ID: <E11fhrn-0003Db-00@rioja.localnet>

bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us said:
> I have recently received a few complaints about duplicates to the
> python-list, so it looks like I will have to spend some time figuring
> this out.  Stay tuned. 

Barry,

I get the feeling there are 2 problems causing this since a few people 
are convinced that some duplications are happening at the MTA stage, 
however all the detailed logging I have seen have been due to MM 
submitting the message to the MTA twice.

This latest variant where a hung MTA and restart causes MM to redeliver 
complete messages may be another form entirely.

The problem I saw and worked round was where the MTA was doing 
recipient address verification during the SMTP transaction - ie each
	RCPT TO ....
was causing a routing/verification operation
On our box, which is relatively low power, at times of stress (ie a few 
10s of incoming list messages within a few minutes), the parallel MTAs 
(in our case exim) and MMs running caused the whole machine to grind 
horribly.  Then it appeared that MM decided that the child doing the 
delivery had taken too long and reran it, thus causing duplication [to 
a segment of the list membership for that message - it was typically 
the last batch of members in the list who got duplicates].

I modified the MTA configs to handle loading better and to *not* do 
SMTP recipient verification for messages injected via the loopback 
interface.  Thats fixed the problem for us.

	Nigel.
-- 
[ Nigel Metheringham                  Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ]
[ Phone: +44 1423 850000                         Fax +44 1423 858866 ]





From darcy at druid.net  Mon Oct 25 13:50:06 1999
From: darcy at druid.net (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:50:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] duplicate mails on my list
In-Reply-To: <E11fhrn-0003Db-00@rioja.localnet> from Nigel Metheringham at "Oct 25, 1999 12:00:43 pm"
Message-ID: <m11fida-0000bFC@druid.net>

Thus spake Nigel Metheringham
> I get the feeling there are 2 problems causing this since a few people 
> are convinced that some duplications are happening at the MTA stage, 
> however all the detailed logging I have seen have been due to MM 
> submitting the message to the MTA twice.

Why not just drop the messages into the queue (or at least make it an
option) and let the MTA sort it out.  These guys have spent a lot of
time getting this stuff right and it seems silly not to use that.

What are we?  Micro$oft?  :-)

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@{druid|vex}.net>   |  Democracy is three wolves
http://www.druid.net/darcy/                |  and a sheep voting on
+1 416 425 1212     (DoD#0082)    (eNTP)   |  what's for dinner.



From brown9 at niehs.nih.gov  Mon Oct 25 17:58:09 1999
From: brown9 at niehs.nih.gov (Lance A. Brown)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:58:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] www.list.org down?
Message-ID: <18560.940867089@niehs.nih.gov>

Greetings,

Just tried to go to http://www.list.org to get mailman 1.0 and am 
unable to get in: 'connection refused by server'.

Is www.list.org still down from it move?  Where else can I get 
mailman 1.0?

--[Lance]





From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Mon Oct 25 21:30:11 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] www.list.org down?
References: <18560.940867089@niehs.nih.gov>
Message-ID: <14356.44995.587492.833101@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "LAB" == Lance A Brown <brown9 at niehs.nih.gov> writes:

    LAB> Greetings,

    LAB> Just tried to go to http://www.list.org to get mailman 1.0
    LAB> and am unable to get in: 'connection refused by server'.

    LAB> Is www.list.org still down from it move?  Where else can I
    LAB> get mailman 1.0?

There was a temporary problem with that machine, but it should be back
up again now.

-Barry



From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu  Tue Oct 26 19:20:24 1999
From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:20:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] anyone seen this?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910261320050.9307-100000@chimera.acm.jhu.edu>



---
Corbett J. Klempay
Trilogy Software, Inc.
512.685.4193 (W) | 512.750.1372 (C)
corbett.klempay at trilogy.com

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:10:05 -0400
From: Cron Daemon <root at chimera.acm.jhu.edu>
To: mailman at chimera.acm.jhu.edu
Subject: Cron <mailman at chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news

Exception exceptions.ValueError: 'unpack list of wrong size' in <method FileLock.__del__ of FileLock instance at 81c67f8> ignored




From krugers at saic.com  Tue Oct 26 20:05:27 1999
From: krugers at saic.com (Scott Kruger)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:05:27 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail relaying problems
Message-ID: <3815ED67.39A72BDC@saic.com>


I've set up mailman on a Linux-Mandrake box and tried to run the test
case.
I am having problems in that I never receive anything sent to the test
list,
and I think the problems are related to how sendmail is configured with
relation
to how mailman uses sendmail. 

When I look at the mailer log file, I see:

Oct 26 10:55:19 nimrodteam sendmail[11236]: KAA11236: from=root,
size=30, class=0, pri=30030, nrcpts=1,
msgid=<199910261755.KAA11236 at nimrodteam.org>, relay=root at localhost
Oct 26 10:55:19 nimrodteam sendmail[11236]: KAB11236: clone KAA11236,
owner=test-admin
Oct 26 10:55:20 nimrodteam sendmail[11238]: KAB11236:
to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent

It appears in the $prefix/logs/post file OK:
Oct 26 10:55:20 1999  post to test from root at nimrodteam.org size=7

...but nothing appears.  I think the problem is in the 
"relay=root at localhost" comment from log file.  If I send an email
message directly
to myself, I get the line:

Oct 26 10:55:03 nimrodteam sendmail[11227]: KAA11225:
to=krugers at saic.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:01:16,
xdelay=00:01:16, mailer=esmtp, relay=mx.east.saic.com. [198.151.13.22],
stat=Sent (2.5.0 Ok.)

which has a different relay.  To further muddy the waters, yesterday
when I first tried
things, the $prefix/logs/smtp-errors file had the line:

Oct 25 18:13:14 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: 	
Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused  / {'krugers at saic.com':
(550, '<krugers at saic.com>... Relaying denied')}  (dequeued)

But I no longer get these errors and I'm not sure what I've done to
cause them to stop.


I'm not a sendmail expert so I'm not sure exactly what the problem is or
how to fix it.  I've fired up linuxconf and tried to allow relaying from
localhost, but that doesn't seem
to work.  Anyone know how to fix this?  Is there a way that I can have
mailman use a relay
that I know works?

Scott



-- 
Scott Kruger 			  Center for Energy and Space Science 
 Science Applications Intl. Corp.		     krugers at saic.com 
 10260 Campus Point Dr.        			Phone: (858) 826-9505
 San Diego, CA 92121-1578			Fax:   (858) 826-6261



From warren at hbwoodlawn.org  Tue Oct 26 23:27:42 1999
From: warren at hbwoodlawn.org (Warren Overholt)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:27:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists being members of lists problem
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991026162023.3299A-100000@friends.comm-data.com>

Hi,
	I am a newbie to Mailman, but comfy with running unix boxes.  I
have one list (call it ALL) that has 29 member lists. (one for each class
year) Each of the member lists can send messages to all of the members
fine (I think).  However, when I send a message to the ALL list, each of
the member lists spits back an Implicit Destination error, and I have to
click on the send for each of them. I have already added the ALL-admin to
the allowed to Posters Privacy option.  What flag did I forget to set?
		Warren





From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Oct 27 00:13:33 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 17:13:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] lists being members of lists problem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991026162023.3299A-100000@friends.comm-data.
 com>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991026170704.00a554b0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 04:27 PM 10/26/99 -0500, Warren Overholt wrote:
>Hi,
>         I am a newbie to Mailman, but comfy with running unix boxes.  I
>have one list (call it ALL) that has 29 member lists. (one for each class
>year) Each of the member lists can send messages to all of the members
>fine (I think).  However, when I send a message to the ALL list, each of
>the member lists spits back an Implicit Destination error, and I have to
>click on the send for each of them. I have already added the ALL-admin to
>the allowed to Posters Privacy option.  What flag did I forget to set?
>                 Warren

Add it to "alias names which qualify as explicit address"
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From gossamer at tertius.net.au  Wed Oct 27 05:18:00 1999
From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:18:00 +1000
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig+mailman
Message-ID: <19991027131800.C19751@tertius.net.au>

I'm trying to get ht://dig to index my mailman private archives.
The relavant bits of the config file are this:

===
start_url:              http://netizen.com.au/mailman/private/
local_urls: http://netizen.com.au/mailman/private/=/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/
limit_urls_to:          ${start_url}
exclude_urls:           /cgi-bin/  \
                        mbox
===

but when I run htdig it's only indexing the top page - seems to
be trying to get stuff via http even though I have provided the
local_urls ... This is the output:

===
htdig: Run complete
htdig: 1 server seen:
htdig:     netizen.com.au:80 1 document
===

Can anybody help?


bekj

-- 
: --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick--
: gossamer at tertius.net.au   http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/
: The limits of my language are the limits of my world.
: -- Ludwig Wittgenstein, 'Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus'



From igorl at life.uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 27 05:46:15 1999
From: igorl at life.uiuc.edu (Igor S. Livshits)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:46:15 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] htdig+mailman
In-Reply-To: <19991027131800.C19751@tertius.net.au>
References: <19991027131800.C19751@tertius.net.au>
Message-ID: <v04210105b43c256097a2@[130.126.50.226]>

At 1:18 PM +1000 on 10/27/99, Bek Oberin wrote:
>I'm trying to get ht://dig to index my mailman private archives.
>The relavant bits of the config file are this:
>
>===
>start_url:              http://netizen.com.au/mailman/private/
>local_urls: 
>http://netizen.com.au/mailman/private/=/var/lib/mailman/archives/priva 
>te/
>limit_urls_to:          ${start_url}
>exclude_urls:           /cgi-bin/  \
>                        mbox


What does your /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ directory contain? 
Just your archive directories? I suspect that ht://Dig requires at 
least an index page or such to start its recursion.

I usually index each list's directory separately, and these 
individual directories contain the index.html file which ht://Dig 
knows to grab when its argument is a directory...

I suppose you can leave a dummy index.html file in your 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/ directory and have it contain 
links to all your individual list directories.

Good luck, Igor




From ceverett at directlink.net  Wed Oct 27 06:45:17 1999
From: ceverett at directlink.net (ceverett at directlink.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:45:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about dealing with messages sent in HTML format
Message-ID: <14358.33629.683665.946673@jeeves.everettnet.com>

I maintain a Mailman mailing list and have had problems with users
sending messages in HTML format.  Is there any way to either filter
or bounce these messages before they appear on the list?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Christopher Everett
ceverett at directlink.net



From Rolf.Hauri at adm.unige.ch  Wed Oct 27 09:12:23 1999
From: Rolf.Hauri at adm.unige.ch (Rolf Hauri)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:12:23 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] PMDF
Message-ID: <3816A5D7.D359C3E9@adm.unige.ch>

I'm installing Mailman on a system running PMDF V5.2-31.

I followed the instructions about how to configure the pipe-channel, the
aliases and pipe.option file, (trying with "< %s" , with "%s .. at the
end of the line) but

    Its seems that:
    Or the pipe send to wrapper only the file name in which are written
the mail sent.
    Or the mail but not the "Mailman" command..

Have I to pass through a script ?

Thanks for any help !

Rolf Hauri

---------------------------
University of Geneva
Rolf.Hauri at adm.unige.ch




From bravo at ie.technion.ac.il  Wed Oct 27 12:31:23 1999
From: bravo at ie.technion.ac.il (Israel Bravo)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:31:23 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman user management question
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910271223250.4937-100000@ie.technion.ac.il>

	Thank you for the fine mailing list manager, but I'd like to
suggest you to include one additional option to the Membership Management:
to let/not to let the user send messages to the list. The problem is that
there are some lists where only some persons must be able to send
messages.

	May be it is possible now, but I can't find how to realize this
possibility in Mailman v.1.0  


	Thank you for advance,

         _________________________________________________________
        ()________________________________________________________)
        | Israel Bravo            phone 972-4-8294428            | 
        | Unix system admin.   E-mail:  bravo at ie.technion.ac.il  |
        |               http://ie.technion.ac.il/~bravo/         |
        |    The faculty of Industrial Engineering,              |
        |    Technion, 32000 Haifa, Israel                       |
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From Robert at grapevine2.com  Wed Oct 27 15:46:09 1999
From: Robert at grapevine2.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 09:46:09 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unable to handle large mailing list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910271223250.4937-100000@ie.technion.ac.il>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991027093820.01e7f900@pop.gv2.com>

Hello,

After installing Mailman mailing list manager (switch from MajorDomo), and 
run it for the past 2 months, I discovered that it will not handle large 
mailing list (30,000+) when sending out several pending messages at the 
same time (after clicked on "approval").

However, it works good if every pending message is sent out at a time until 
all email addresses are completed processed out from the server.

Reason: I got complaints from lot of users saying they missed either 
important email newsletters (we have two editions newsletters to be sent 
out to same users per session.).

I reviewed the log files - not much bounces or exceed error messages, which 
got me puzzled.

Looks like Mailman source code needs more work to include the "error 
checking" features to prevent any missing emails.

Any suggestions for improvement? Every 30,000+ Email messages sent by 
Mailman would take 1 1/2 hour to process (28k message size). I'm upgrading 
this server to use Athlon 550MHz CPU/Motherboard to cut the processing time 
to half (45 minutes or so).

When will the next version be released - just curious.

Thanks,

Robert



From jarrell at vt.edu  Wed Oct 27 17:17:01 1999
From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:17:01 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman user management question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910271223250.4937-100000@ie.technion.ac.il>
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991027101552.00c8b820@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

At 12:31 PM 10/27/99 +0200, Israel Bravo wrote:

>         Thank you for the fine mailing list manager, but I'd like to
>suggest you to include one additional option to the Membership Management:
>to let/not to let the user send messages to the list. The problem is that
>there are some lists where only some persons must be able to send
>messages.

Go look at all the pages of settings in the admin display.  It's quite clear
how to set the list to be moderated, and there's a place to list authorized users.
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From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us  Wed Oct 27 16:56:30 1999
From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:56:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - unable to handle large mailing list
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9910271223250.4937-100000@ie.technion.ac.il>
	<4.2.0.58.19991027093820.01e7f900@pop.gv2.com>
Message-ID: <14359.4766.676112.32954@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>

>>>>> "R" == Robert  <Robert at grapevine2.com> writes:

    R> Looks like Mailman source code needs more work to include the
    R> "error checking" features to prevent any missing emails.

One thing to look at.  In my last quick code review, it is possible
that the sendmail() call delivers to only some of the recips (see
Mailman/Utils.py, TrySMTPDelivery() function).  The docs say this will
only raise an exception if all deliveries fail.  If only some do, then
it returns a dict with more information about the failures.  Mailman
doesn't do anytyhing with the returned dict, which means deliv could
fail the first time, but they'd never get retried.

Sorry, still no time to hack on this, but that's something that others
could investigate.

-Barry



From eilmes at chemia.uj.edu.pl  Wed Oct 27 17:28:36 1999
From: eilmes at chemia.uj.edu.pl (Andrzej Eilmes)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:28:36 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple recipients from one domain
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9910271712530.20999-100000@myamlak.ch.uj.edu.pl>

Dear Mailman Users,

One of the nice features of Mailman I've noticed was that
it used to sort subscribers list, so that if there were
many subscribents from the same domain/host messages were
sent to them over the same connection (using multiple RCPT To:). 

Suddenly this behaviour has changed: now each message is being
sent separately. We didn't change anything in the mailman 
configuration, the only change to the mail system was changing
local delivery agent to procmail from mail (because DEC mail
does not support user quotas). May these two things be related?

Is there a way to tell Mailman to send mail to multiple recipients
over the same connection as it did before? 

   	Andrzej Eilmes






From richarde at eskom.co.za  Wed Oct 27 13:13:12 1999
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 13:13:12 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman user management question
Message-ID: <s816fa72.039@eskom.co.za>

I have also asked for this feature - very long ago. The situation that I have is that I do not want people from external to our company being able to mail or subscribe to any of our internal mailing lists. I am now forced to add rules to our mail spools to block mail from external sites reaching our mailing lists. 

There is a way to hold posts to a list, but I want to block a list completely if the sender does not match a certain regex, including subscription requests.

--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za

>>> Israel Bravo <bravo at ie.technion.ac.il> 1999/10/27 12:31:23 >>>

	Thank you for the fine mailing list manager, but I'd like to
suggest you to include one additional option to the Membership Management:
to let/not to let the user send messages to the list. The problem is that
there are some lists where only some persons must be able to send
messages.

	May be it is possible now, but I can't find how to realize this
possibility in Mailman v.1.0  


	Thank you for advance,

         _________________________________________________________
        ()________________________________________________________)
        | Israel Bravo            phone 972-4-8294428            | 
        | Unix system admin.   E-mail:  bravo at ie.technion.ac.il  |
        |               http://ie.technion.ac.il/~bravo/         |
        |    The faculty of Industrial Engineering,              |
        |    Technion, 32000 Haifa, Israel                       |
        |________________________________________________________|
        ()________________________________________________________)





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From mailman-users-local at merlins.org  Thu Oct 28 10:02:37 1999
From: mailman-users-local at merlins.org (Marc Merlin)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:02:37 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I blow away the admin queue for a list?
Message-ID: <19991028010237.B13109@marc.merlins.org>

Due to a mail loop, I have several hundred post requests in one of my lists.
I'd like to blow them all away without clicking 300 times on some web form.

I've looked around  in the mailman tree,  but I just can't  find where those
subscription messages are sitting.

Can someone give me a hint?

Thanks,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From richarde at eskom.co.za  Thu Oct 28 09:58:07 1999
From: richarde at eskom.co.za (Richard Ellerbrock)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:58:07 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman user management question
Message-ID: <s8181e3c.010@eskom.co.za>

>On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Richard Ellerbrock wrote:
>
>=>I have also asked for this feature - very long ago. The situation that I 
>have is that I do not want people from external to our company being able 
>to mail or subscribe to any of our internal mailing lists. I am now forced 
>to add rules to our mail spools to block mail from external sites reaching 
>our mailing lists. 
>=>
>=>There is a way to hold posts to a list, but I want to block a list 
>completely if the sender does not match a certain regex, including 
>subscription requests.
>=>
>	Here is the answer that I got today:
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>=>Go look at all the pages of settings in the admin display.  It's quite 
>clear
>=>how to set the list to be moderated, and there's a place to list 
>authorized users.
>=>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>	Yes, I found in the privacy options "Addresses of members
> accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval
> requirement" - but if I understand right it means that the list owner
> will get all messages from another users for approval - sometimes it's
> too much.

Correct. I also do not want a moderated list. That means maybe one out of 1000 subscriptions/posts to the list will be discarded. I want to be able to specify a rule saying:

if not for *.eskom.co.za, discard.

This must apply to posts and subscription requests. Not just posts as is currently the situation. Users can still quietly subcribe to internal company mailing lists and eavesdrop on list activity.

--
Richard Ellerbrock
richarde at eskom.co.za




From Krisztian.Xx.Nemeth at trab.se  Thu Oct 28 15:26:29 1999
From: Krisztian.Xx.Nemeth at trab.se (Krisztian Nemeth)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:26:29 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: cannot send admin pwd through the Web
Message-ID: <778DFE9B4E3BD111A74E08002BA3DC0D01F46C22@trab-hermes.haninge.trab.se>

Dear Mailman users,

I've just installed Mailman and I've got a problem: when I would like to use
it as a list administrator, it first check for the admin password. So far so
good, but it asks for this every time I click somewhere, and even does not
accept my changes.

I suspeceted that it works somehow with cookies, but the strange thing is
that yesterday it worked okey. Maybe I've chenged something, but surely not
on the client (browser) side. Defaults.py contains:
ADMIN_COOKIE_LIFE = 60 * 60 * 3         # 3 hours

Can you tell me what's wrong?

Thanks in advance,
Krisztian



From ricardo at miss-janet.com  Thu Oct 28 16:50:24 1999
From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:50:24 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I blow away the admin queue for a list?
In-Reply-To: <19991028010237.B13109@marc.merlins.org>; from Marc Merlin on Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 01:02:37AM -0700
References: <19991028010237.B13109@marc.merlins.org>
Message-ID: <19991028165024.A19014@miss-janet.com>

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 01:02:37AM -0700, Marc Merlin wrote:
> Due to a mail loop, I have several hundred post requests in one of my lists.
> I'd like to blow them all away without clicking 300 times on some web form.
> I've looked around  in the mailman tree,  but I just can't  find where those
> subscription messages are sitting.
get ready for some horror :) those message are all in the config.db
database... the only way to remove them is to use python as far as i know...
hmm maybe it would be possible to write a small cgi script that can remove
messages from config.db (i had to remove something once too)...
on the other hand, I do hope that the queued messages will be removed
to a different place in the future releases of Mailman... I think i've
already suggested this once in here :)

Ricardo.
--




From stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch  Thu Oct 28 17:00:41 1999
From: stefan.neuenschwander at id.unibe.ch (Stefan Neuenschwander)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:00:41 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listadmin's
In-Reply-To: <199910181544.LAA20342@python.org>
References: <199910181544.LAA20342@python.org>
Message-ID: <v0421010bb43e15159b86@[130.92.7.149]>

hello to all
one question: is there a easy way, to mail to all of the 
list-administrators or do I have to set up a list for them seperately?
thanx
Stefan



From simon at elf.kaist.ac.kr  Thu Oct 28 18:07:30 1999
From: simon at elf.kaist.ac.kr (John Simon)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 01:07:30 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MIME Subject: encoding in archive
In-Reply-To: <199910281546.LAA01657@python.org>; from mailman-users-admin@python.org on Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 11:46:37AM -0400
References: <199910281546.LAA01657@python.org>
Message-ID: <19991029010730.A6010@elf.kaist.ac.kr>

Hi, I'm a admin in Korea and started using
MailMan today. I'm impressed at the web interface
and relatively easy installation.

But I can't figure out how to configure pipermail .
For example, every mail messages written in Korean
(MIME "euc-kr" charset) has a subject header encoded
in base64, like:

Subject: Re: =?euc-kr?B?Q1ZTIML8v6k=?=

Although the body of message is usually decoded
to 8bit by sendmail, it's the application's duty
to decode the headers. But pipermail doesn't seem
to deal with this.

So, what should I do? is there any other way than
installing bleeding-edge CVS version?




From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Oct 28 22:00:16 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:00:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about dealing with messages sent in HTML format
In-Reply-To: <14358.33629.683665.946673@jeeves.everettnet.com> from "ceverett@directlink.net" at Oct 26, 99 11:45:17 pm
Message-ID: <199910282000.PAA20529@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From mailman-users-local at merlins.org  Thu Oct 28 22:16:15 1999
From: mailman-users-local at merlins.org (Marc Merlin)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:16:15 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I blow away the admin queue for a list?
In-Reply-To: <19991028165024.A19014@miss-janet.com>; from Ricardo Kustner on jeu, oct 28, 1999 at 04:50:24 +0200
References: <19991028010237.B13109@marc.merlins.org> <19991028165024.A19014@miss-janet.com>
Message-ID: <19991028131615.A25418@marc.merlins.org>

On jeu, oct 28, 1999 at 04:50:24 +0200, Ricardo Kustner wrote:
> get ready for some horror :) those message are all in the config.db
> database... the only way to remove them is to use python as far as i know...
> hmm maybe it would be possible to write a small cgi script that can remove
> messages from config.db (i had to remove something once too)...
> on the other hand, I do hope that the queued messages will be removed
> to a different place in the future releases of Mailman... I think i've
> already suggested this once in here :)

Yeah, that sucks a bit...
What I ended up doing was dumping the list of users, copied a config.db from
another list,  changed through the  web the fields  that had to  be changed,
removed all the users and re-subscribed the old list of users.
Mailman should  really have some  tool to access  all of config.db  from the
command line.

Thanks for your help,
Marc
-- 
Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking
 
Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ (friendly to non IE browsers)
Finger marc_f at merlins.org for PGP key and other contact information



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Thu Oct 28 23:15:33 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:15:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I blow away the admin queue for a list?
In-Reply-To: <19991028131615.A25418@marc.merlins.org> from "Marc Merlin" at Oct 28, 99 01:16:15 pm
Message-ID: <199910282115.QAA20945@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From bknotts at europa.com  Fri Oct 29 14:49:38 1999
From: bknotts at europa.com (Brian Knotts)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 05:49:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Proper permissions?
Message-ID: <XFMail.991029054938.bknotts@europa.com>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Anyone know what the proper permissions are for everything in ~mailman? I had
my lists working just fine, but then accidentally nuked a list, and had to
restore some file. Now, I am having permissions problems after my cron jobs run.

I get this from check_perms:

Traceback (innermost last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 160, in ?
    checkall()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 76, in checkall
    os.path.walk(mm_cfg.PREFIX, checkwalk, STATE)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 253, in walk
    walk(name, func, arg)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 253, in walk
    walk(name, func, arg)
  File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 247, in walk
    func(arg, top, names)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 52, in checkwalk
    except OSError, (code, msg):
NameError: OSError

- -- 
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Knotts <bknotts at europa.com>
29-Oct-99 - 05:46:57
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From idukhovich at ptc.com  Fri Oct 29 20:47:16 1999
From: idukhovich at ptc.com (Igor Dukhovich)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:47:16 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Implicit address
Message-ID: <3819EBB3.FD627872@ptc.com>

Hi

I am running MailMan 1.0 on Solaris 2.6 and have several mailing lists.

list1 with subscribers lista, listb, listc, listd
lista with subscribers  a, aa, aaa, aaaa
listb with subscribers b, bb, bbb, bbbb
listd                                  d, dd, ddd, dddd

When I sent  message to list1 I got a message from mailman admin about
administrative request for lists a, b, c, d and the reason "Implicit
address".

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

--
Igor Dukhovich
Network Systems Services
Parametric Technology, Inc.
Waltham, MA


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From sweeney at projectcool.com  Sat Oct 30 01:41:12 1999
From: sweeney at projectcool.com (Michael Sweeney)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:41:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recompile python sources?
Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19991029163658.00ab7290@jupiter.projectcool.com>

This is actually a python question, but since it's the mailman sources I 
need to change, I hope someone here can answer the question.

I need to disable the password confirmation on subscription. I've changed 
the Defaults.py file to permit open subscription, and (I think) generated a 
new .pyc file, but it has made no difference in the behavior of the 
subscription - it still wants confirmation of the password. I've also made 
a couple of other minor changes to other files in an attempt to accomplish 
the same thing, but I seem to be missing some critical step in making the 
changes "live". Can anyone give me a clue? I'm looking at documentation, 
but I'm really in a hurry on this one and was hoping someone might have a 
quick answer.

Thanks.

Michael





From jarrell at vtserf.cc.vt.edu  Sat Oct 30 01:56:51 1999
From: jarrell at vtserf.cc.vt.edu (Ron Jarrell)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:56:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recompile python sources?
Message-ID: <199910292356.TAA18915@vtserf.cc.vt.edu>

>I need to disable the password confirmation on subscription. I've changed 
>the Defaults.py file to permit open subscription, and (I think) generated a 
>new .pyc file, but it has made no difference in the behavior of the 
>subscription - it still wants confirmation of the password. I've also made 
>a couple of other minor changes to other files in an attempt to accomplish 
>the same thing, but I seem to be missing some critical step in making the 
>changes "live". Can anyone give me a clue? I'm looking at documentation, 
>but I'm really in a hurry on this one and was hoping someone might have a 
>quick answer.

First of, right there in the file, and in the docs, it warns you in
large letters not to be doing those types of configurations in the
Defaults file.  Put the value you want to change in the mm_cfg.py file;
that's what it's for.  Every installation of mailman is going to
clobber that Defaults file; none of them will touch the mm_cfg file.

Second, there's two variable you need to change.  Set
ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE to 1 to enable to ability to turn off password
confirmation.  Set DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY to 0 to make new lists by
default be non-password confirming (generally a bad move in this day of
practical jokers and hackers, but I'll assume you know what you're
doing)

Third, realize that paragraph two up there just sets defaults for
*future* lists.  Nothing in Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py affects the
settings in *existing* lists.  Once you have ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE set
to 1, the privacy pages of your various lists should now list a 4th
option for subscriptions, "None" I believe is the keyword.  You have
to go through each list you want to have no confirmation, and no
admin approval, and turn it on.  (Or write the python code to
do it for you.  I dunno what the variable is, but perusing the
code should locate it for you; unless you have a buttload of lists,
it'd likely be faster to do it by hand.)





From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Sat Oct 30 02:26:01 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:26:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I recompile python sources?
In-Reply-To: <199910292356.TAA18915@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> from "Ron Jarrell" at Oct 29, 99 07:56:51 pm
Message-ID: <199910300026.TAA28715@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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From jam at jamux.com  Sat Oct 30 16:24:47 1999
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:24:47 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search archives
Message-ID: <19991030142449.A924F481C@athene.jamux.com>

Is it possible to hook up a way to search mailman archives for
keywords or strings in the messages?

If so what is the preferred approach on a Red Hat Linux box (5.1 or
later)?

Is anyone on this list willing to share a recipe for doing the above?

TIA

	jam



From jam at jamux.com  Sat Oct 30 17:24:56 1999
From: jam at jamux.com (John A. Martin)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 11:24:56 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-Users] listproc, conversion from HOWTO?
Message-ID: <19991030152458.3B5D4481C@athene.jamux.com>

How should one approach converting to mailman from listproc
characterized by about

	120 lists
	3K subscribers
	about 70 lists archived from 1995 (/home/listproc/httpd/html)

df gives

Filesystem         1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/sda2            1981000 1381172   497414     74%   /
/dev/sda1              15522    1134    13587      8%   /boot
/dev/sda7             497667  284071   187894     60%   /home/listproc
/dev/sda8             497667  266621   205344     56%   /home/listproc/httpd
/dev/sda9            4353573   97841  4030422      2%   /var/spool/news
/dev/sda10           1026067  214503   758552     22%   /extra

This is on a Red Hat Linux 5.1 box dedicated to listserv.

I dunno nut'n about listserv and just started experimenting with
mailman.

The directories in /extra are

	/ectra/listproc/archive		mbox files to Aug 7 99
	/ectra/listproc/archive/lists
		about 120 subdirectories for lists, some empty,
		some containing apparently monthly
		archive.yymmdd.gz files

The listproc seems to have been poorly maintained and typically poorly
operated by the list owners as well.

Help, suggestions, guidance, and what all will be greatly appreciated.

	jam



From jerrya at fastrans.net  Sat Oct 30 17:35:48 1999
From: jerrya at fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:35:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Search archives
In-Reply-To: <19991030142449.A924F481C@athene.jamux.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.9910301032190.22272-100000@jerrya.fastrans.net>

On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, John A. Martin wrote:

> Is it possible to hook up a way to search mailman archives for
> keywords or strings in the messages?
> 
> If so what is the preferred approach on a Red Hat Linux box (5.1 or
> later)?
> 
> Is anyone on this list willing to share a recipe for doing the above?

I have a redhat 6.0 system, and I installed ht://dig. I have a private
archive, so I had to configure htdig to index the files on the filesystem
instead of digging through the web server. Finding out how to do this was
less than obvious in the documentation. (You should be able to find an rpm
of htdig somewhere if you don't want to compile it yourself.)

However, I cannot add the search widget to my archive index page. When I
go to the administration page to edit it, none of the changes take effect.
I have asked here and on -developers for help, with no response.

Good luck.

-- 
Jerry Adlersfluegel




From nick at zork.net  Sat Oct 30 17:47:41 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:47:41 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Exim HOWTO document
In-Reply-To: <E11WMkC-00035q-00@rioja.localnet>; from Nigel Metheringham on Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 05:38:16PM +0100
References: <E11WMkC-00035q-00@rioja.localnet>
Message-ID: <19991030084741.V11795@zork.net>

Quoting Nigel Metheringham:
> [Copy sent separately to both exim and mailman lists]
[exim list snipped]
> I updated and cleaned up my HOWTO information for using exim &
> mailman together and put it up on the exim web site.  The exim list
> is now using *exactly* that configuration (copied and pasted from
> the howto) for its list settings, so I am reasonably confident that
> I didn't break something stupidly when copying :-)

        I'm currently using this setup on my machine, and it works
wonderfully.  I actually had to edit it a bit to make it work for
Debian.  I'd be happy to send you my exim.conf if you like.

-- 
((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))
(quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))))
	-- A LISP quine written by Seth David Schoen
+++ath



From nick at zork.net  Sat Oct 30 17:55:12 1999
From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:55:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender: header and forwarded mail
In-Reply-To: <v0421010bb43e15159b86@[130.92.7.149]>; from Stefan Neuenschwander on Thu, Oct 28, 1999 at 05:00:41PM +0200
References: <199910181544.LAA20342@python.org> <v0421010bb43e15159b86@[130.92.7.149]>
Message-ID: <19991030085512.W11795@zork.net>

Many of my users send mail to my lists from Netscape.  Unfortunately,
it seems to munge out the hostname from the Sender: header, so that
"nick at zork.net" would have a "Sender: nick" header.  Mailman seems to
pay undue attention to this header when deciding if the user is
authorized to post or not.  Mailman also won't let me add in any
address that doesn't have an at sign to the approved posters box in
the privacy options.  As a matter of fact, once it sees an incomplete
address, it truncates the list right there.

Also, I can't seem to find an archive option to allow archiving of
forwarded mail.  All forwards to my list are snipped, making for some
inscrutible discussion threads in the archives.  I need complete
archives of my lists.  Is this just some built-in pipermail nonsense
or what?

-- 
((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))
(quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))))
	-- A LISP quine written by Seth David Schoen
+++ath



From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu  Sat Oct 30 20:41:42 1999
From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:41:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sender: header and forwarded mail
In-Reply-To: <19991030085512.W11795@zork.net> from "Nick Moffitt" at Oct 30, 99 08:55:12 am
Message-ID: <199910301841.NAA00706@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu>

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