From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Jul 1 00:27:04 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Performance problems and MailMan References: Message-ID: <14202.39352.251397.642429@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> I think I have identified at least one performance bottleneck with Mailman. Hopefully, /the/ only bottleneck :) I think the culprit is in HyperDatabase.py, namely the DumbBTree class. This stuff is the interface b/w Mailman and Pipermail, and as such I am really quite unfamilar with this code, but using the trick I outlined in a previous message, I found that most of the time when I printed the stack trace, I found myself in HyperDatabase.clearIndex(). I think the algorithm of using key=dumbtree.next(); del dumbtree[key] is extremely inefficient. Take a look at DumbBTree.__delitem__() to get the picture. So here's an experimental patch to add a clear() method to the DumbBTree class, which clearIndex() will use if available, falling back to the old approach, which I assume is some API standard for bsddb btrees -- which Mailman doesn't use currently. Near as I can tell, this doesn't break anything, archive threads still get created properly, and while I haven't tested it live on python.org, it ought to speed at least this part up a lot. We'll see if this fixes the problem some of us have seen. I'm going to try to test this some more before I check it in. I may install it on python.org to see what happens. I'd love some feedback. Does it solve the performance problems? Does anything break because of this patch? Do we need to investigate further? -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Index: HyperDatabase.py =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -c -r1.3 HyperDatabase.py *** HyperDatabase.py 1998/11/04 23:49:03 1.3 --- HyperDatabase.py 1999/06/30 22:12:24 *************** *** 88,95 **** else: self.current_index = self.current_index + 1 ! ! def first(self): if not self.sorted: --- 88,97 ---- else: self.current_index = self.current_index + 1 ! def clear(self): ! # bulk clearing much faster than deleting each item, esp. with the ! # implementation of __delitem__() above :( ! self.dict = {} def first(self): if not self.sorted: *************** *** 296,302 **** def newArchive(self, archive): pass def clearIndex(self, archive, index): self.__openIndices(archive) ! index=getattr(self, index+'Index') finished=0 try: key, msgid=self.threadIndex.first() --- 298,307 ---- def newArchive(self, archive): pass def clearIndex(self, archive, index): self.__openIndices(archive) ! ## index=getattr(self, index+'Index') ! if hasattr(self.threadIndex, 'clear'): ! self.threadIndex.clear() ! return finished=0 try: key, msgid=self.threadIndex.first() From Ric_Smith at ipsd.org Thu Jul 1 13:50:50 1999 From: Ric_Smith at ipsd.org (Ric Smith) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:50:50 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <006201bec3b7$f77e65c0$260011ac@radican> unsubscribe solilove ric_smith at ipsd.org From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 20:18:23 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 19:18:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install Message-ID: <4.1.19990701185740.01669e60@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi All, I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc2 without any obvious problems. When I create a new list using the newlist script, as per INSTALL Section 5. called "test-list", with my own address as the administrator, I am mailed the instructions, including the password provided to "newlist". However when I go to the admin web interface at http://my.list.server/mailman/admin.cgi/test-list, I am told "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." I've also created a password using "mmsitepass", but this is also rejected. What's happening ? TIA ! Andy McClements London The system is running: RedHat Linux 5.2 gcc 2.7.2.3 Apache 1.3.6 (compiled on this system) Python 1.5.2 (compiled on this system) configured using: $prefix=/usr/local/mailman --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-cgi-ext=.cgi I correctly set the permissions on the $prefix directory. I added to httpd.conf: Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" AllowOverride None Options Indexes ExecCGI Order allow,deny Allow from all From hacker at stardragon.com Thu Jul 1 20:39:30 1999 From: hacker at stardragon.com (George Feil) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:39:30 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990701185740.01669e60@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000401bec3f1$0ec552a0$3c4270d8@stardragon.com> I was experiencing the same problem, and just fixed it. The cause seems to be the fact that I had two versions of python (1.5.1, from the RedHat 5.2 installation, and 1.5.2, which I compiled myself). Check to see if you have multiple versions of python installed, particularly in different directories (/usr/local/bin and /usr/bin were the culprits in my case). George Feil Chief Hacker Stardragon Consulting, Inc. http://www.stadragon.com > -----Original Message----- > From: mailman-users-admin at python.org > [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Andy McClements > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 11:18 AM > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install > > > Hi All, > > I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc2 without any obvious problems. > > When I create a new list using the newlist script, as per > INSTALL Section > 5. called "test-list", with my own address as the administrator, I am > mailed the instructions, including the password provided to "newlist". > > However when I go to the admin web interface at > http://my.list.server/mailman/admin.cgi/test-list, > I am told "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." > > I've also created a password using "mmsitepass", but this is > also rejected. > > What's happening ? TIA ! > > Andy McClements > London > > > The system is running: > > RedHat Linux 5.2 > gcc 2.7.2.3 > Apache 1.3.6 (compiled on this system) > Python 1.5.2 (compiled on this system) > > configured using: > > $prefix=/usr/local/mailman > --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python > --with-mail-gid=mail > --with-cgi-gid=nobody > --with-cgi-ext=.cgi > > I correctly set the permissions on the $prefix directory. > > I added to httpd.conf: > > Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" > > > Options FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" > > > AllowOverride None > Options Indexes ExecCGI > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From tech at ns.rapidtraffic.com Thu Jul 1 07:42:14 1999 From: tech at ns.rapidtraffic.com (Ovidiu Asiminei) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990701185740.01669e60@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: I try install mailman, but when I type ./configure I recive messages error /home/mailmain is not configured properly ! ovidiu From root at safineh.net Thu Jul 1 21:50:29 1999 From: root at safineh.net (Mohammad K. Ghanbari) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 00:20:29 +0430 (IRST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT Plz. Message-ID: Hi, I upgraded my sendmail and after that, this message is appeared. I read something about SMRSH and performed a simbolic link to wrapper. But hte problem exists . Any suggestion? -- Best wishes, Mohammad K. Ghanbari SAFINEH System Adm. webmaster at safineh.net ICQ# 27686386 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:31:10 +0430 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: postmaster at safineh.net Subject: Postmaster notify: Service unavailable The original message was received at Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:31:01 +0430 from www.binevolve.com [209.68.192.232] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/webroot/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner allusers" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/webroot/htdocs/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner allusers"... 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In-Reply-To: <199907011801.OAA17589@python.org> Message-ID: Hi, I want install mailman, but I have a problem When I try ./configure a recive the error maseges cheking permissions on /home/mailman .... configure error thanks ovidiu From darran at ned.dem.csiro.au Fri Jul 2 06:54:39 1999 From: darran at ned.dem.csiro.au (Darran Carey) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:54:39 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest number Message-ID: <377C460F.3A3759D4@ned.dem.csiro.au> Hi, I have created a list that send messages in digest form. Now that I have finished testing it, I have cleaned up the archive as outlined in the faq. However, the digest number has not been reset to 1. Does anyone know how I can do this? Darran Carey From richard at linsup.com Fri Jul 2 08:34:02 1999 From: richard at linsup.com (Richard Ames) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:34:02 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders - didn't go out Message-ID: <000b01bec454$e003e080$22e423cb@perch.infoadv.com.au> The monthly password reminders did not go out from my lists. The cron job ran (shown in the cron log). I can't find any errors in any logs. ????????? Any ideas? I do have it turned on (yes) in the list config screen. Regards, Richard. Richard Ames linsup.com, Sydney, Australia Tel: +61 2 9144-6131, Fax: +61 2 9144-6138 mailto:richard at linsup.com http://www.linsup.com From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Fri Jul 2 13:00:47 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:00:47 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install In-Reply-To: <000401bec3f1$0ec552a0$3c4270d8@stardragon.com> References: <4.1.19990701185740.01669e60@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4.1.19990702115150.00922ce0@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi, Thanks for your reply, but this wasn't the problem. I only have one instance of the python binary, in /usr/local/bin. Any else got any ideas ? Andy McClements London At 11:39 01/07/99 -0700, George Feil wrote: >I was experiencing the same problem, and just fixed it. The cause seems to >be the fact that I had two versions of python (1.5.1, from the RedHat 5.2 >installation, and 1.5.2, which I compiled myself). > >Check to see if you have multiple versions of python installed, particularly >in different directories (/usr/local/bin and /usr/bin were the culprits in >my case). > >George Feil >Chief Hacker >Stardragon Consulting, Inc. >http://www.stadragon.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mailman-users-admin at python.org >> [mailto:mailman-users-admin at python.org]On Behalf Of Andy McClements >> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 11:18 AM >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc2 without any obvious problems. >> >> When I create a new list using the newlist script, as per >> INSTALL Section >> 5. called "test-list", with my own address as the administrator, I am >> mailed the instructions, including the password provided to "newlist". >> >> However when I go to the admin web interface at >> http://my.list.server/mailman/admin.cgi/test-list, >> I am told "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." >> >> I've also created a password using "mmsitepass", but this is >> also rejected. >> >> What's happening ? TIA ! >> >> Andy McClements >> London >> >> >> The system is running: >> >> RedHat Linux 5.2 >> gcc 2.7.2.3 >> Apache 1.3.6 (compiled on this system) >> Python 1.5.2 (compiled on this system) >> >> configured using: >> >> $prefix=/usr/local/mailman >> --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python >> --with-mail-gid=mail >> --with-cgi-gid=nobody >> --with-cgi-ext=.cgi >> >> I correctly set the permissions on the $prefix directory. >> >> I added to httpd.conf: >> >> Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" >> >> >> Options FollowSymLinks >> AllowOverride None >> Order allow,deny >> Allow from all >> >> >> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" >> >> >> AllowOverride None >> Options Indexes ExecCGI >> Order allow,deny >> Allow from all >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> > From blurr at txraves.org Fri Jul 2 18:02:21 1999 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] read-only lists Message-ID: <00c401bec4a4$45554790$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> how do i make a list read-only to where only the admin can post to it but not any of the members... thanks. ------------------------- Jordan Phillips blurr at txraves.org http://www.txraves.org Black holes are where God divided by zero. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990702/6fa01a38/attachment.html From jonathan at NrgUp.Com Fri Jul 2 22:17:46 1999 From: jonathan at NrgUp.Com (Jonathan Bradshaw) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:17:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] RC2 problems with moderation Message-ID: <19990702151746.A12568@NrgUp.Com> I have some lists which are restricted for non-members posting and certain subject lines. Mailman catches these but when they are approved it only sends them to the digest. The realtime feed never sees them. I'm not sure where in mailman I should look to find out what is happening. I do not see any errors in the logfiles. Any ideas? -- Jonathan Bradshaw | Call N9OXE | ICQ# 41208820 | Linux Given infinite time, 100 monkeys could type out the complete works of Shakespeare. Win 98 source code? Eight monkeys, five minutes. From marauder at morepower.com Sat Jul 3 03:11:14 1999 From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:11:14 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman RC2 under Redhat Linux Message-ID: <000301bec4f0$f1e40400$04be05d1@starmania.net> I know this has probably been repeated dozens of times on this list, but are there any specific bugs or workarounds that I should be aware of in installing Mailman 1.0rc2 under Redhat Linux 6.0; or any patches or bugfixes post-rc2 that I should be applying so I don't go needlessly pulling out what's left of my hair over problems that have already been addressed by others. There are 2 things that I have noticed, which in my mind do not seem right... created a new list and went to the administrative page, which makes me re-enter my password each and every time I go to a different page. Also, whenever I click on any of the "details" links a 2nd window pops up, in which I am again asked for my password and then presented with another copy of the same page I've been on, rather than a helpfile or information file as I would expect. Thanks in advance, >>>>> Mike <<<<< From mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu Sat Jul 3 06:24:23 1999 From: mitchell at walrus.uchicago.edu (Mitchell Marks) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:24:23 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Suggestion: link to admin from each list's listinfo page In-Reply-To: <199907020504.BAA29318@python.org> Message-ID: <4.2.0.56.19990702231325.027dc020@cs.uchicago.edu> We have a prominent link from our front page to the Mailman listinfo page. But some of my list administrators sail right by the paragraph at the top that's addressed to them and links to the admin overview page, and instead see their list below and click on it. At this point they're at the listinfo page for their list, and don't see the admin options they're expecting. Of course, the listinfo page is for subscribers and potential subscribers, and I wouldn't suggest mixing in admin functions there. However, a note to the list admin, with link to the admin pages for that list, would be nice. Regards, Mitch Marks -- Mitchell Marks (773) 702-6041 AAC-010A CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project http://cuip.uchicago.edu "The University of Chicago -- where they split the etym" From marauder at morepower.com Sun Jul 4 00:08:32 1999 From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:08:32 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cookies and IE5 In-Reply-To: <199907030502.BAA28271@python.org> Message-ID: <000301bec5a0$96c0a780$04be05d1@starmania.net> Subsequent to my previous message (below), I've had to do a little fiddling. What I'm wondering is if anyone else is successfully able to administer Mailman using Microsoft IE5? Went in and tested my installation with Lynx (ugh!) and it shows the cookie warning, accept the cookie and all is well to admin the page (and "details" works too). Went back to IE5, doesn't work at all... went into the IE5 config and switched from "automatically accept cookies" to "warn before accepting" and somehow when I try to admin mailman it doesn't even pop up a cookie warning. Cookies seem to be working ok for numerous other sites I visited, just not the mailman stuff. Is it possible that Mailman is sending cookies that are somehow incompatible with IE5 (not that microsoft would ever do anything non-standard :-) ? Just my machine... thought of that, tried my other 2 windows machines with same result. Any comments, thoughts, suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, >>>>> Mike <<<<< -- Original Message -- Message: 5 From: "Mike Cisar" To: "MailMan Users List" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:11:14 -0600 charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman RC2 under Redhat Linux I know this has probably been repeated dozens of times on this list, but are there any specific bugs or workarounds that I should be aware of in installing Mailman 1.0rc2 under Redhat Linux 6.0; or any patches or bugfixes post-rc2 that I should be applying so I don't go needlessly pulling out what's left of my hair over problems that have already been addressed by others. There are 2 things that I have noticed, which in my mind do not seem right... created a new list and went to the administrative page, which makes me re-enter my password each and every time I go to a different page. Also, whenever I click on any of the "details" links a 2nd window pops up, in which I am again asked for my password and then presented with another copy of the same page I've been on, rather than a helpfile or information file as I would expect. Thanks in advance, >>>>> Mike <<<<< From marauder at morepower.com Sun Jul 4 00:25:43 1999 From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:25:43 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Wrapper problem... In-Reply-To: <199907030502.BAA28271@python.org> Message-ID: <000601bec5a2$fd591480$04be05d1@starmania.net> Can anyone tell me what this error message means... received when trying to send a message to the test list... Jul 2 16:15:37 stage2 Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?) Mailman was compiled with --with-mail-gid=mail and mail is gid 12 on this system... ???????? Help! >>>>> Mike <<<<< From mcisar at starmania.net Sun Jul 4 03:42:11 1999 From: mcisar at starmania.net (Mike Cisar) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman oddity... again... Message-ID: <001101bec5be$6f0c7ca0$04be05d1@starmania.net> Have run across another oddity trying to get Mailman installed and running... as background the system is running Redhat Linux 6.0. The system is running as stage2.starmania.net but also virtualhosts lists.starmania.com (the virtual host where the lists will be running). I've just pulled down the latest CVS version of Mailman, to make sure I'm as current as possible... I seem to be running into a problem where mailman thinks it knows where it is sometimes, but not others... take as an example the subscription confirmation request message shown below. In the text portion of the message all is as it should be (all addresses pointing to @lists.starmania.com) but the message headers are a different story, they are all pointing to @starmania.net (a completely different machine, which is probably why this problem became evident). Looking in MailList.py (somewhere around line 879) I can see that self.GetRequestEmail() and self.GetAdminEmail() seem to be called to fill in the blanks in both the headers and the body of the message... so the question (I think) is why self.host_name is returning 2 different sets of values? That, I am afraid, is the limit of my debugging skill... hopefully the grand Mailman gurus can figure out what's happening from there! -- message clip, unimportant parts <..SNIP..>ped for brevity -- <..SNIP..> Message-Id: <199907030031.SAA28877 at stage2.starmania.net> From: starmania-news-request at starmania.net Subject: Starmania-news -- confirmation of subscription -- request 318541 To: admin at starmania.net Date: Fri Jul 2 18:31:22 1999 Reply-to: starmania-news-request at starmania.net Errors-To: starmania-news-admin at starmania.net X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc2+ Precedence: bulk List-Id: <..SNIP..> starmania-news at lists.starmania.com mailing list. To confirm the request, please send a message to starmania-news-request at lists.starmania.com, and either: <..SNIP..> this message. Send questions to starmania-news-admin at lists.starmania.com. -- end of message clip -- Thanks again, >>>>> Mike <<<<< P.S. I seem to have worked around my earlier problem with the error "Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 65535. (Reconfigure to take 65535?)" by adding a group numbered 65535 to my /etc/group file. I have a suspicion that isn't nessesarily a wise/safe solution to the problem (is it???), but it is allowing the wrapper to run until such time as some Linux guru can tell me who's hat it's pulling 65535 out of. I'm beginning to suspect it may be getting that value somehow from the virtual local delivery agent used to handle the mail (seeing as lists.starmania.com is a virtual server)... but should not any running program be running under a group that actually exists?? From soneill at cen.com Sun Jul 4 19:29:36 1999 From: soneill at cen.com (Sean O'Neill) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem: HTML Admin Interface won't update member list -- at all Message-ID: <000601bec642$ca7bba40$5033f2cc@sean.cen.com> I was hoping someone could help me with this problem. I haven't completely checked out how Mailman is working but this is one problem I've found and can't figure it out. - Ultra 2 running Apache Web Server - Mailman v1.0b9 - Mailman repository lives in /home/mailman - Everything in /home/mailman is setup for 'mailman' ownership and 'mailman' group - Everything has the group ID bit sit (i.e. rwxr-srx) - Apache is running as 'nobody' HTML admin interface works except when I try to update a mailing list membership in the 'Membership Management' page. I put in a couple of email addresses and press the 'Submit Your Changes'. For a while, the page would come back immediately with password request screen to get into the administration screen for the mailing list. No one would be subscribed to the list. This morning I found that I must have changed something last night and didn't realize it. The config.db file in lists/my-test-list is now owned by nobody and the subscriptions work correctly from the HTML admin interface. I know this has something to do with the fact that apache is running as nobody and the cgi-bin/admin binary is group set-ID'd. Shouldn't the cgi-bin/admin script change GID to mailman and allow the updates to config.db when apache runs it? Is there something in the apache setup that I'm missing or something with my Mailman configuration that I'm missing? I'm hoping to use Mailman as a replacement for our current completely manual mailing list environment ... royal pain-in-the-backside. Any help or thoughts appreciated. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sean O'Neill AppNet, Inc. 301-953-3330 soneill at cen.com soneill at centurycomputing.com From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 14:24:03 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:24:03 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP SOUGHT Message-ID: <4.1.19990705131713.00be7220@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi All, Sorry to shout, but I need to evaluate this system asap. and I cannot because the admin password is broken. Please will anyone who might be able to suggest why the adminstrative passwords might be rejected in the admin webpage, with a message "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." See my previous post below for the system details. I've just used "mmsitepass" again to reset the admin password, but the new password is rejected. The ~/mailman/logs/error is empty. I don't know where else to start looking to debug this. Thanks in advance, Andy McClements London >> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 11:18 AM >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc2 without any obvious problems. >> >> When I create a new list using the newlist script, as per >> INSTALL Section >> 5. called "test-list", with my own address as the administrator, I am >> mailed the instructions, including the password provided to "newlist". >> >> However when I go to the admin web interface at >> http://my.list.server/mailman/admin.cgi/test-list, >> I am told "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." >> >> I've also created a password using "mmsitepass", but this is >> also rejected. >> >> What's happening ? TIA ! >> >> Andy McClements >> London >> >> >> The system is running: >> >> RedHat Linux 5.2 >> gcc 2.7.2.3 >> Apache 1.3.6 (compiled on this system) >> Python 1.5.2 (compiled on this system) >> >> configured using: >> >> $prefix=/usr/local/mailman >> --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python >> --with-mail-gid=mail >> --with-cgi-gid=nobody >> --with-cgi-ext=.cgi >> >> I correctly set the permissions on the $prefix directory. >> >> I added to httpd.conf: >> >> Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" >> >> >> Options FollowSymLinks >> AllowOverride None >> Order allow,deny >> Allow from all >> >> >> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" >> >> >> AllowOverride None >> Options Indexes ExecCGI >> Order allow,deny >> Allow from all >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> > From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Mon Jul 5 19:04:11 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP SOUGHT References: <4.1.19990705131713.00be7220@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: <14208.58763.534170.814904@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "AM" == Andy McClements writes: AM> Please will anyone who might be able to suggest why the AM> adminstrative passwords might be rejected in the admin AM> webpage, with a message "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." AM> See my previous post below for the system details. AM> I've just used "mmsitepass" again to reset the admin password, AM> but the new password is rejected. The ~/mailman/logs/error is AM> empty. I don't know where else to start looking to debug this. Quick thought. Make sure that the python executable that got hardcoded into your cgi wrappers is the same one you get when you run command line scripts. Conjecture: if not, and one was built with the crypt module but the other wasn't, then you could be encrypting your site password with crypt but matching with md5. -Barry From srajbanshi at hotmail.com Tue Jul 6 07:11:24 1999 From: srajbanshi at hotmail.com (surendra rajbanshi) Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:11:24 PDT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mailman Message-ID: <19990706051124.92983.qmail@hotmail.com> colleagues, when I reading the mail I'm geeting following error. Error Message: No login provided, cannot proceed. can anybody know how to solve this. thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 10:59:17 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:59:17 +0100 Subject: Solved (Was: Re: [Mailman-Users] URGENT HELP SOUGHT) In-Reply-To: <3781427C.DAAFBD85@gmp.usyd.edu.au> References: <4.1.19990705131713.00be7220@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4.1.19990706092451.016c5100@post.linst.ac.uk> Thanx all for your replies, However I found the problem. I was advised (last week, by George Feil) to check for duplicate python installs on my system, and did so, but somehow missed the fact there *WAS* an old installation. DOH ! When I sorted this out, and re-set the passwords, the admin pages were accessible. Cheers, Andy McClements (and sorry for shouting !) >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 11:18 AM >> >> To: mailman-users at python.org >> >> Subject: [Mailman-Users] password problems on new install >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I've just installed Mailman 1.0rc2 without any obvious problems. >> >> >> >> When I create a new list using the newlist script, as per >> >> INSTALL Section >> >> 5. called "test-list", with my own address as the administrator, I am >> >> mailed the instructions, including the password provided to "newlist". >> >> >> >> However when I go to the admin web interface at >> >> http://my.list.server/mailman/admin.cgi/test-list, >> >> I am told "Sorry, wrong password. Try again." >> >> >> >> I've also created a password using "mmsitepass", but this is >> >> also rejected. >> >> >> >> What's happening ? TIA ! >> >> >> >> Andy McClements >> >> London >> >> >> >> >> >> The system is running: >> >> >> >> RedHat Linux 5.2 >> >> gcc 2.7.2.3 >> >> Apache 1.3.6 (compiled on this system) >> >> Python 1.5.2 (compiled on this system) >> >> >> >> configured using: >> >> >> >> $prefix=/usr/local/mailman >> >> --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python >> >> --with-mail-gid=mail >> >> --with-cgi-gid=nobody >> >> --with-cgi-ext=.cgi >> >> >> >> I correctly set the permissions on the $prefix directory. >> >> >> >> I added to httpd.conf: >> >> >> >> Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/" >> >> >> >> >> >> Options FollowSymLinks >> >> AllowOverride None >> >> Order allow,deny >> >> Allow from all >> >> >> >> >> >> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/" >> >> >> >> >> >> AllowOverride None >> >> Options Indexes ExecCGI >> >> Order allow,deny >> >> Allow from all >> >> From thomasg at ifi.uio.no Tue Jul 6 12:03:50 1999 From: thomasg at ifi.uio.no (Thomas Gramstad) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:03:50 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] command syntax Message-ID: I'd like to use the E-mail command interface, if possible, but even with the mailman help file and 4 years experience with Majordomo I'm not able to figure out the command syntax. For example, I have tried to send to listname-request: who who password password who In the body. And in the Subject:. What am I missing? (The list is set to only list-admin can get a who, and I'm the list-admin sending it from the list-admin account). Thomas Gramstad thomasg at ifi.uio.no From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 13:38:37 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:38:37 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Couple of basic newbie questions Message-ID: <4.1.19990706120213.00b9a7d0@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi All, Now I've got things cooking I need to tune some of the lists I'm establishing. As Mailman will probably replace our old listserver, I need to maintain a few things, such as the actual list addresses. Questions: 1. The listserver will be known by a hostname different from the FQDN. The default address for the mailman-owner is "mailman-owner at fqdn". Where do I change this to "mailman-owner at listserv.domain.org" ? Do I need to re-configure/re-install after changing this ? 2. I can set the base domainname for mail addresses associated with each list, but I'd like to have the list address itself at a different domainname from all the other contact addresses. What's the cleanest way to achieve this? ie. test-list-admin at listserv.domain.org test-list-request at listserv.domain.org test-list-owner at listserv.domain.org but use; test-list at domain.org (I can kludge this by using an alias on the main mail-exchanger, but I'd like the list address sent out in subscribe messages to be "correct".) Apologies in advance, as I'm sure these may have been addressed previously. TIA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andy McClements | mailto: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Network Administrator | http: it.linst.ac.uk The London Institute HEC | phone: 0171 514 6051 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 17:29:09 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:29:09 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] To and Sender address seem wrong ? Message-ID: <4.1.19990706160738.00bb2440@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi All, There's something not right here.. I want my listserver to appear to be running on a system with the name "lists.domain.org" instead of its full-qualified domain name "box.domain.org". Accordingly, I've created a CNAME DNS record for "lists" that points to the FQDN, and added "lists.domain.org" to the /etc/sendmail.cw file. The system is now happy to accept mail to addresses at "lists.domain.org". I've set (1). DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py and (2). "Host name this list prefers" in the list configuration web interface, to "lists.domain.org". However, I find that in messages coming from the list I see the following headers: To: test-list at box.domain.org Sender: test-list-admin at box.domain.org X-BeenThere: test-list at lists.domain.org eg. the To: and Sender: seem to be wrong. I *sent* the message to "test-list at lists.domain.org", so in fact the To: header has been changed to the wrong address by Mailman. Where is Mailman picking up the FQDN ? How do I fix this ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andy McClements | mailto: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Network Administrator | http: it.linst.ac.uk The London Institute HEC | phone: 0171 514 6051 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 17:55:22 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:55:22 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] URL appended to list messages is wrong Message-ID: <4.1.19990706162934.00ba3100@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi All, I'm finding that the URL appended to each list message sent out by Mailman has the URL incorrect, inasmuch as it omits the ".cgi". I'm using Apache, and it generates a 404 error without the extension. eg: it reads; _______________________________________________ Test-list mailing list - test-list at lists.domain.org http://lists.domain.org/mailman/listinfo/test-list instead of: _______________________________________________ Test-list mailing list - test-list at lists.domain.org http://lists.domain.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/test-list From csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu Tue Jul 6 18:26:47 1999 From: csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu (Soren Dayton) Date: 06 Jul 1999 11:26:47 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] To and Sender address seem wrong ? In-Reply-To: Andy McClements's message of "Tue, 06 Jul 1999 16:29:09 +0100" References: <4.1.19990706160738.00bb2440@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: Andy McClements writes: > Hi All, > > There's something not right here.. > > I want my listserver to appear to be running on a system with the name > "lists.domain.org" instead of its full-qualified domain name "box.domain.org". > > Accordingly, I've created a CNAME DNS record for "lists" that points to the > FQDN, and added "lists.domain.org" to the /etc/sendmail.cw file. The system > is now happy to accept mail to addresses at "lists.domain.org". > > I've set (1). DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py and (2). "Host name this list > prefers" in the list configuration web interface, to "lists.domain.org". > > However, I find that in messages coming from the list I see the following > headers: > > To: test-list at box.domain.org > Sender: test-list-admin at box.domain.org > X-BeenThere: test-list at lists.domain.org > > eg. the To: and Sender: seem to be wrong. I *sent* the message to > "test-list at lists.domain.org", so in fact the To: header has been changed to > the wrong address by Mailman. > > Where is Mailman picking up the FQDN ? How do I fix this ? It isn't. Any transport agent will canonicalize the name to the non-CNAME. if this is the behavior that you want, use MX records. Or a separate A record. Soren From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu Tue Jul 6 20:03:47 1999 From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:03:47 +0200 (METDST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] To and Sender address seem wrong ? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990706160738.00bb2440@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Andy McClements wrote: > Hi All, > > There's something not right here.. > > I want my listserver to appear to be running on a system with the name > "lists.domain.org" instead of its full-qualified domain name "box.domain.org". > > Accordingly, I've created a CNAME DNS record for "lists" that points to the > FQDN, and added "lists.domain.org" to the /etc/sendmail.cw file. The system > is now happy to accept mail to addresses at "lists.domain.org". CNAME and smtp doesn't go whell together. Add an A record with the same ip address as the FQDN. Btw it is sendmail, not mailman, who does the address rewrites (and is right about it, too). -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo at caesar.elte.hu gorgo at linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/ From jfreeman at scansoft.com Tue Jul 6 21:01:22 1999 From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 15:01:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me decode a 'We're sorry, we hit a bug!" message Message-ID: <199907061903.PAA15948@mail.scansoft.com> One of our subscribers writes: "I was changing my e-mail address and having un- subscribed from the old one, I was setting up for the new one. I entered my addy and pass code, hit subscribe and got this message. Hope this helps!!" below is the message he received. Can someone please check it out and tell me if I need to fix anything? I've been over and over it, I can see that something happened at line 112 in one script and line 157 in another and that for some reason it didn't like that this person was trying to subscribe to the digest, but... what should I do about it? Thanks, J. > > Bug in Mailman version 1.0b10 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > Traceback: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/home/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main > main() > File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 157, in main > if digest: > NameError: digest > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > Environment variables: > Variable Value > DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/mailman/htdocs > HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate > CONTENT_LENGTH 71 > CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded > PATH_TRANSLATED /home/mailman/htdocs/howdoi > REMOTE_ADDR 63.14.37.70 > SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 > HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us > GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 > SERVER_PORT 80 > HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive > HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; MCIWORLDV2) > HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */* > REQUEST_URI /mailman/subscribe/howdoi > PATH /sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin > QUERY_STRING > SCRIPT_FILENAME /home/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe > SCRIPT_URL /mailman/subscribe/howdoi > HTTP_HOST list.scansoft.com > REQUEST_METHOD POST > SERVER_SIGNATURE > SCRIPT_URI http://list.scansoft.com/mailman/subscribe/howdoi > SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/subscribe > SERVER_ADMIN gowen at scansoft.com > SERVER_SOFTWARE Red Hat Secure/2.0 (Unix) PHP/3.0.6 mod_ssl/2.0.15 > SSLeay/0.9.0b > PYTHONPATH /home/mailman > PATH_INFO /howdoi > HTTP_REFERER http://list.scansoft.com/mailman/listinfo/howdoi > SERVER_NAME list.scansoft.com > REMOTE_PORT 1389 > > > > > From z at singtel.telcosucks.org Wed Jul 7 07:10:33 1999 From: z at singtel.telcosucks.org (z at singtel.telcosucks.org) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 13:10:33 +0800 (SGT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling of MIME attachments Message-ID: Is there anyone here working on the handling of MIME attachments for the Archives so that they don't appear as a huge chunk of gibberish. Also how about the downloading of attachments? The current method of downloading a single gzipped message is definitely lacking in functionality. I might try to code in the handling of MIME attachments if there are no efforts to do so right now. Regards From glen at interq.or.jp Wed Jul 7 09:59:38 1999 From: glen at interq.or.jp (Glen Malley) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:59:38 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Stupid question Message-ID: <378308EA.3571EE76@interq.or.jp> So here's my contribution to the stupid question pool. 1. The mailman-users archive is gzipped (apparently automatically). How? 2. When replies to a post are directed to the list instead of the poster, the "Re: [List]" subject prefix is not removed automatically...so you basically get hugely nested subject lines consisting of nothing but "Re: [List] Re: [List]" etc. Why isn't this stripped automatically? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Glen Malley Systems Developer | | glen at interq.or.jp interQ Corporation - System Division | | (cell)090-4398-7951 Shibuya Infoss Tower 10F | | Tokyo, Japan | | http://www.interq.ad.jp 150-0031 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From nicolas at hushmail.com Wed Jul 7 22:49:09 1999 From: nicolas at hushmail.com (nicolas at hushmail.com) Date: Wed Jul 07 22:49:09 GMT+00:00 1999 Subject: [Mailman-Users] "Too many recipients" error & tuning Message-ID: <199907072300.QAA16072@mail1.hushmail.com> Hello: I posted to a list with 2000+ users, and got a Too many recipients error. It seems to be that the sendmail remote server choked when received an email with too many recipients. The problem is that I can't find enough documentation about the variables presented in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py and ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. I think I should set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to something as low as 20 (it is set to 500 now), but DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS also seem a good choice. Which one affects the number of recipients of an outgoing message? I've already checked the mailman-users archives and the mailman FAQ. Besides the specific answer to this question, where can I find more documentation about configuring mailman? I also want to know what MAX_SPAWNS do. TIA nicolas Get HushMail. The world's first free, fully encrypted, web-based email system. Speak freely with HushMail.... http://www.hushmail.com From dan at dpcsys.com Thu Jul 8 04:37:35 1999 From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch for ListAdmin.py In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Had a piece of spam clogging up the admindb section because of a "%" in the Subject: This patch against 1.0rc2 fixed it *** ListAdmin.orig.py Wed Jul 7 19:33:01 1999 --- ListAdmin.py Wed Jul 7 19:33:32 1999 *************** *** 164,169 **** --- 164,170 ---- note = note + '\n\tHeld: ' + strquote(data[1]) if comment: note = note + '\n\tDiscarded: ' + strquote(comment) + note = strquote(note) self.LogMsg("vette", note) def HandleAddMemberRequest(self, data, value, comment): Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan at dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu Thu Jul 8 07:17:58 1999 From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:17:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch for ListAdmin.py In-Reply-To: from "Dan Busarow" at Jul 7, 99 07:37:35 pm Message-ID: <199907080517.AAA14802@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 408 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990708/4860dac1/attachment.pot From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu Thu Jul 8 09:30:29 1999 From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:30:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Handling of MIME attachments In-Reply-To: from "z@singtel.telcosucks.org" at Jul 7, 99 01:10:33 pm Message-ID: <199907080730.CAA17518@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 565 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990708/2b860e4b/attachment.asc From m at bpal.com Thu Jul 8 10:03:13 1999 From: m at bpal.com (Mr. Sharkey) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 04:03:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem - User Unknown Message-ID: <37845B41.2FC98C8B@bpal.com> Hi, I'm using Mailman v1.0cr2, Mandrake Linux, and Sendmail 8.9.3. I've created a mailing list, it shows up with a listinfo and admin page, but when I try to mail to it, my system returns 'User Unknown'. Any suggestions on where to start looking to see what's gone amiss? Thanks, M. From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Thu Jul 8 10:55:13 1999 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:55:13 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem - User Unknown In-Reply-To: <37845B41.2FC98C8B@bpal.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Mr. Sharkey wrote: > > Hi, I'm using Mailman v1.0cr2, Mandrake Linux, > and Sendmail 8.9.3. I've created a mailing list, > it shows up with a listinfo and admin page, but > when I try to mail to it, my system returns > 'User Unknown'. Any suggestions on where to > start looking to see what's gone amiss? It looks like you haven't set up`the list aliases in your MTA. Which one does Mandrake Linux use, sendmail, qmail, exim? -- Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From dan at dpcsys.com Thu Jul 8 18:27:23 1999 From: dan at dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Patch for ListAdmin.py In-Reply-To: <199907080517.AAA14802@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Christopher Lindsey wrote: > > Had a piece of spam clogging up the admindb section because of a > > "%" in the Subject: > > Hmm... This was reported and fixed a while back. > > http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-April/001011.html > http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-April/001047.html > > > This patch against 1.0rc2 fixed it > > Did it fall out of the distribution, or get reintroduced? I experienced and fixed the problem on a system running 1.0b11 I grabbed 1.0rc2 after that and since the code in question looked the same at first glance I thought it was still there. Closer examination reveals that it already handled in 1.0rc2 Sorry if I caused anyone to waste time checking this. Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan at dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From johnr at eecs.berkeley.edu Thu Jul 8 19:16:40 1999 From: johnr at eecs.berkeley.edu (John Reekie) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:16:40 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Template lists? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001bec965$a57ff960$61112581@bean.eecs.berkeley.edu> Hi, I need to create a set of standard list templates (eg internal developers, public interest list, CVS notification list etc). I realize I can modify Defaults.py but all of these lists have very different configurations. What is the best way to create such a template and then "instantiate" it? Thanks! JohnR From jmedina at medialab.com.mx Thu Jul 8 22:57:24 1999 From: jmedina at medialab.com.mx (Juan Hector Medina) Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe jmedina@medialab.com.mx References: <4.1.19990706160738.00bb2440@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: <378510B4.829C4D88@medialab.com.mx> unsubscribe jmedina at medialab.com.mx Soren Dayton wrote: > Andy McClements writes: > > > Hi All, > > > > There's something not right here.. > > > > I want my listserver to appear to be running on a system with the name > > "lists.domain.org" instead of its full-qualified domain name "box.domain.org". > > > > Accordingly, I've created a CNAME DNS record for "lists" that points to the > > FQDN, and added "lists.domain.org" to the /etc/sendmail.cw file. The system > > is now happy to accept mail to addresses at "lists.domain.org". > > > > I've set (1). DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py and (2). "Host name this list > > prefers" in the list configuration web interface, to "lists.domain.org". > > > > However, I find that in messages coming from the list I see the following > > headers: > > > > To: test-list at box.domain.org > > Sender: test-list-admin at box.domain.org > > X-BeenThere: test-list at lists.domain.org > > > > eg. the To: and Sender: seem to be wrong. I *sent* the message to > > "test-list at lists.domain.org", so in fact the To: header has been changed to > > the wrong address by Mailman. > > > > Where is Mailman picking up the FQDN ? How do I fix this ? > > It isn't. Any transport agent will canonicalize the name to the > non-CNAME. if this is the behavior that you want, use MX records. Or a > separate A record. > > Soren > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From jeff at look.net Thu Jul 8 21:06:33 1999 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:06:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe methods Message-ID: Hi, Just getting mailman up and running, had a quick question: Is there any way to keep mailman from requiring a password for someone to unsubscribe from a list? Seeing as how most of the chores involved with maintaining a list are the unsubscribing hassles I'd like to make it as easy as is possible to subscribe... Thanks, -Jeff From dragondm at integral.org Fri Jul 9 05:35:26 1999 From: dragondm at integral.org (The Dragon De Monsyne) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:35:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Performance problems and MailMan In-Reply-To: <14201.26521.848925.327481@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: > Just a quick note 'cause I have very little time. I'm currently > seeing python.org massively pegged, and Guido and I were talking about > some Python tools we'd like to develop that would help debug > situations like this. What I wanted was something like gdb's ability > to attach to and print stack traces of running external programs. We > got into some brainstorming and came up with A Certified Very Cool > Trick[1]. > > This yielded a traceback for where at least two pegged processes are > spinning. Seems to make sense, but I'm not very familar with the > archiving guts, so I post this traceback to spur some discussion. > Maybe Scott or Harald can craft a fix. Hmm... A few thoughts.. I've never seen the load problem on my mailman site, even though I run several reasonabally well trafficked lists, HOWEVER, I run a slightly customized version of HyperArch.py which stil.l uses bsddb for data storage. Also, my site does not immedeately archive messages, it runs an archiving cronjob every few hours.(it still dosen't draw much cpu whence the cronjob kicks in, tho) really, this archiving system was never meant to be used in the current method of operation (being invoked on each incoming message), and it's design is probably rather non-optimal for this use. It spends substantial time building & tearing down & (un)pickling various structures incurring a bit of overhead. -The Dragon De Monsyne From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 9 05:53:40 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Performance problems and MailMan References: <14201.26521.848925.327481@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <14213.29252.289352.684394@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TDDM" == The Dragon De Monsyne writes: TDDM> Hmm... A few thoughts.. I've never seen the load TDDM> problem on my mailman site, even though I run several TDDM> reasonabally well trafficked lists, HOWEVER, I run a TDDM> slightly customized version of HyperArch.py which stil.l TDDM> uses bsddb for data storage. TDDM> Also, my site does not immedeately archive messages, it runs TDDM> an archiving cronjob every few hours.(it still dosen't draw TDDM> much cpu whence the cronjob kicks in, tho) Both those differences (using bsddb and not archiving immediately) explains why you wouldn't see the hit. The bug (now fixed) was in the DumbBTree implementation. TDDM> really, this archiving system was never meant to be TDDM> used in the current method of operation (being invoked on TDDM> each incoming message), and it's design is probably rather TDDM> non-optimal for this use. It spends substantial time TDDM> building & tearing down & (un)pickling various structures TDDM> incurring a bit of overhead. Wonderful understatement Dragon! :) Running with the patches in the CVS tree, I think the current system can work for a site as heavily trafficked as python.org, but it is very inefficient. Maybe we should document that for high traffic sites, you might want to use an external archiver which only runs from a cronjob. Unfortunately, I haven't done this, so if anybody can contribute a HOWTO, I'd appreciate it. -Barry From marauder at morepower.com Fri Jul 9 15:26:18 1999 From: marauder at morepower.com (Mike Cisar) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:26:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages bouncing, account not disabled... In-Reply-To: <199907090504.BAA28636@python.org> Message-ID: <003101beca0e$a0ce9a80$04be05d1@starmania.net> I haven't really got the hang of how the system handles bounces yet... but I've been getting this one response message back from Mailman for one user (email address nuked below to protect the innocent :), can't quite figure out what the problem is. Help! This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: List: pzd-list Member: xxxxxxx at stm-student1.stm.tudelft.nl Action: Subscription not disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. BUT: User not found. The triggering bounce notice is attached below. With reference to your message with the subject: "Re: [pzd-list] chats Thursday" The local mail transport system has reported the following problems it encountered while trying to deliver your message: ------------------------------------------------------------------- User not known at this site. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Your mail message is being returned to you in the next part of this message. Should you need assistance, please mail postmaster at stm-student1.stm.tudelft.nl. Thanks, >>>>> Mike <<<<< From marley at connection.com Fri Jul 9 22:32:10 1999 From: marley at connection.com (Patrick Wagner) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:32:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirmation e-mail problem Message-ID: <199907091744.NAA28603@ connection.com> I have mailman setup properly. But when I go to sign someone up the user gets a confirmation e-mail that goes to newsletter-request at rapidtraffic.com (newsletter is the name of the list.) The message bounces back because that address doesn't exist. Do I create it manually or should the program? I need to resolve and get this working today. Thanks for your help. Patrick Wagner From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Jul 9 20:14:32 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirmation e-mail problem In-Reply-To: <199907091744.NAA28603@ connection.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Patrick Wagner wrote: > I have mailman setup properly. But when I go to sign someone up the user > gets a confirmation e-mail that goes to newsletter-request at rapidtraffic.com > (newsletter is the name of the list.) > > The message bounces back because that address doesn't exist. It sounds like you either a) didn't add the aliases to your MTA's config file or b) didn't let your MTA know you updated your aliases. For sendmail, this is usually adding them to /etc/aliases and, for many versions of sendmail, you need to run newaliases. > Do I create it manually or should the program? Sounds like you forgot a step. :) -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "I have a simple rule in life: If I don't understand something, it must be bad." & "If you want more than 4 gig of memory, get a *real* CPU." -- Linus Torvalds, speaking at BALUG (www.balug.org) From markus at infoscape.com Fri Jul 9 20:39:06 1999 From: markus at infoscape.com (markus at infoscape.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:39:06 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] confirmation e-mail problem In-Reply-To: <199907091744.NAA28603@ connection.com> References: <199907091744.NAA28603@ connection.com> Message-ID: Patrick Wagner writes: > I have mailman setup properly. But when I go to sign someone up the user > gets a confirmation e-mail that goes to newsletter-request at rapidtraffic.com > (newsletter is the name of the list.) > > The message bounces back because that address doesn't exist. > > Do I create it manually or should the program? > > I need to resolve and get this working today. Thanks for your help. When you created the list, it told you which aliases you needed to add. Follow these instructions. For most MTAs you can also set up a generic aliasing mechanism, so that you don't have to worry about this anymore. I can send you sample code on how to do this for Exim. Markus -- Markus Gutschke Internet: markus at infoscape.com Infoscape, Inc Phone: +1-415-544-4762 100 Broadway, 2nd floor San Francisco, CA 94111 Disclaimer: The above message represents my personal opinion; it does not constitute an official statement by Infoscape! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 294 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990709/b5853b5c/attachment.pgp From moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu Fri Jul 9 19:44:09 1999 From: moacir at zuikis.uchicago.edu (Moacir) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting LISTSERV archives to something arch can understand Message-ID: <19990709134409.A16589@zuikis.uchicago.edu> I'm having a bit of trouble updating the three years of listserv files I have to mbox format--or any format that arch can understand. I receive the files as body text of an email, that looks basically like this: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 00:12:51 -0500 Reply-To: Moacir Sender: foo-l From: Moacir Subject: Problems with St Stephen and the brown-eyed woman Comments: To: foo-l at uic.edu the first series of messages. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 00:13:51 -0500 Reply-To: Moacir Sender: foo-l From: Moacir Subject: I'll send this out again, about St Stephen Comments: To: foo-l at uic.edu The second message, etc. ---------------- all the way to the end. Now, we've managed to convert those lines of "=" into what looks like a normal email "From" line, but it still doesn't seem to be working out right. Any quick hints on how to mboxify (or anything arch can read) this file format? tia, --m From marley at connection.com Sat Jul 10 01:08:32 1999 From: marley at connection.com (Patrick Wagner) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:08:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] what is the difference digest or nondigest Message-ID: <199907092021.QAA12741@ connection.com> Thanks. I missed that completely. I was wondering what is the exact difference between digest and non-digest mode. I want to send a newsletter to my subscribers. But I don't want anyone to have access to post to the list. I know I can set it to prevent anyone accept a certain user to post but what if someone just sets up their e-mail to send a message from the webmaster at rapidtraffic.com to the list. webmaster at rapidtraffic.com being the only user allowed to post to the list. Will there post go the list? Patrick Wagner From marley at connection.com Sat Jul 10 01:21:44 1999 From: marley at connection.com (Patrick Wagner) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:21:44 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] administrative authority from the web Message-ID: <199907092034.QAA13755@ connection.com> I want to authorize a post to the newsletter from the web but it will not let me. I have to be at the server for it to work. What am I missing? Patrick Wagner From jschneit at Adobe.COM Sat Jul 10 00:27:03 1999 From: jschneit at Adobe.COM (Jeff Schneiter) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:27:03 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started Message-ID: <37867737.4310E38F@adobe.com> Hello and happy Friday, Come Monday I will commence my first attempt at creating a system using Mailman. It shall be a Sparc20 with Solaris 2.7 and lots of memory and 2 internal SCSI disks with swap on both disks. We have another Sparc20 that will be handling the archiving (including converting the flat ascii email to html, searchable, links, etc...) We currently have 1500 lists by way of Majordomo on a Sparc2, SunOS 4.1.4 - yikes is right. The new system I was going to build would just be a newer version of Majordomo on a Sparc20 with OpenBSD, but have since decided to look into other options...thus here i am. I was hoping that someones could point out any sticky situations that i might get into, coming from a majordomo background, or to say that the install docs are wonderful and i will have no problem - i've installed quite a few GNU things in the past and really dig ./configure The hard part is usually getting your user base to change to something new :) jeff jeff at adobe.com From jschneit at Adobe.COM Sat Jul 10 01:18:32 1999 From: jschneit at Adobe.COM (Jeff Schneiter) Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:18:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started References: <37867737.4310E38F@adobe.com> Message-ID: <37868348.3516F652@adobe.com> Well, that's a bummer. I don't have the extra Sparc20 I thought I had and now have to work with a Sparc5/110 Do you think that Solaris will be slim and fast enough to work with this, or should I use the nice small OpenBSD? jeff From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sat Jul 10 01:50:03 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started References: <37867737.4310E38F@adobe.com> <37868348.3516F652@adobe.com> Message-ID: <14214.35499.836954.229532@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JS" == Jeff Schneiter writes: JS> Do you think that Solaris will be slim and fast enough JS> to work with this, or should I use the nice small OpenBSD? We run all python.org mailing lists (and that's many high volume lists like python-list at python.org <-> comp.lang.python) on a piddly little Sparc5 running Solaris 2.6. Okay, we jammed 256MB into it, and the fastest-widest-scsi-est :) controller and disk we could get, but other than that there's nothing special about the machine. And with the current CVS snapshot (or rc3 which /could/ be out tonight if I'm lucky), performance is looking very good. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sat Jul 10 19:00:53 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <14215.31813.854234.222802@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Cc python-announce at python.org Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 1.0rc3 X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2) Reply-To: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) X-Attribution: BAW X-Oblique-Strategy: A very small object. Its center X-Url: http://www.python.org/~bwarsaw X-Face: bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass Hi folks, Mailman 1.0 release candidate 3 (1.0rc3) has just been uploaded to www.list.org. This is an important bug fix release which primarily fixes a performance problem in the archiver. Since the GNU folks are getting ready to put together their next source CDROM, this increases the possibility that 1.0rc3 will be short-lived -- with 1.0 final right around the corner! >From the NEWS file: 1.0rc3 - new script bin/check_perms which checks (and optionally fixes) the permissions and group ownerships of the files in your Mailman installation. - Removed a bottleneck in the archiving code that was causing performance problems on highly loaded servers. - The code that saves a list's state and configuration database has been made more robust. - Additional exception handlers have been added in several places to alleviate problems with Mailman bombing out when it really would be better to print/log a helpful message. - The "password" mail command will now mail back the sender's subscription password when given with no arguments. - The embarrassing subject-prefixing bug present in rc2 has been fixed. - A small (but nice :) collection of other squashed bugs. On behalf of the entire development team, -Barry From rrobino at wavedivision.com Sat Jul 10 19:59:50 1999 From: rrobino at wavedivision.com (Rick Robino) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:59:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started In-Reply-To: <14214.35499.836954.229532@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Barry A. Warsaw on Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 07:50:03PM -0400 References: <37867737.4310E38F@adobe.com> <37868348.3516F652@adobe.com> <14214.35499.836954.229532@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <19990710105949.C28921@wavedivision.com> Amen, Barry. I have similar experiences with a Sparc 5 (not a sun4u either!) which proved the box and the OS to be quite capable, handling a very high load of Internet traffic for mail and web. Even when it gets loaded, it might slow down a bit but it keeps chugging. I can't say I've run Solaris 7 in this environment yet, just 2.5.1 and 2.6. With any Unix there are a couple kernel parameters you might want to tune, especially if the box runs an HTTP server, is as high-traffic as you say, and probably has longer than LAN latency times. There are two great books for Solaris on the subject, "Sun Performance and Tuning", by Adrian Cockroft and Richard Pettit; and "Configuration and Capacity Planning for Solaris Servers", by Brian Wong. Solaris 2.6 had much better defaults and upper limits than previous releases, and Solaris 7 should be even better. They can all be changed on the fly and don't need a reboot. Just be careful, and test what you change to see if it really works the way you want. I hope I can avoid a holy war, I haven't tried OpenBSD, but I do like and have some experience with FreeBSD and BSDi. I figure besides the whole SysV vs BSD thing, most people know the good parts and bad parts of each system. In my take, I like the innovations that have come along in recent *BSD flavors and some of the networking stuff, but to me having a real SPARC chip, UPA board, and solid SCSI still take precedence over other arguements. Thats why I like Solaris. My $0.02. --Rick > On Fri, Jul 09, 1999 at 07:50:03PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "JS" == Jeff Schneiter writes: > > JS> Do you think that Solaris will be slim and fast enough > JS> to work with this, or should I use the nice small OpenBSD? > > We run all python.org mailing lists (and that's many high volume lists > like python-list at python.org <-> comp.lang.python) on a piddly little > Sparc5 running Solaris 2.6. Okay, we jammed 256MB into it, and the > fastest-widest-scsi-est :) controller and disk we could get, but other > than that there's nothing special about the machine. And with the > current CVS snapshot (or rc3 which /could/ be out tonight if I'm > lucky), performance is looking very good. > > -Barry > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rick Robino mailto:rrobino at wavedivision.com From db at sulinet.hu Mon Jul 12 09:03:35 1999 From: db at sulinet.hu (Dringo Bela) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:03:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable confirm reading? Message-ID: <03cf01becc34$a91f0260$0c01c7c3@mkm.sulinet.hu> Hi, I read the following letter: http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001524.html and i have the same problem. Is there any solution? Future plan? (is this the right place to request a feature?) Bela Bela Dringo dbela at sulinet.hu From dbela at sulinet.hu Mon Jul 12 09:34:08 1999 From: dbela at sulinet.hu (Dringo Bela) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:34:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] delivery algorithm does not fit for me Message-ID: <044901becc38$ed55a340$0c01c7c3@mkm.sulinet.hu> Hi, the delivery algorithm (scripts/deliver) puts members from the same domain ( xyz.com) together and sends them as one job to the MTA. It does not matter that these members are from different subdomain (abc.xyz.com, def.xyz.com...). It's not good for me, because all of the subdomains have different mail server. I have 250 members from the same domain, but most of them from different subdomain. In this way the communication terrible slow. When i make it different way (i hacked the code) the deliver is faster (the mailqueue will be empty 5 mins vs 6 hours). It will be good, that in the future release will be it an option in the admin page or somewhere else. Thanks and sorry for my english, Bela Dringo dbela at sulinet.hu From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk Mon Jul 12 13:47:29 1999 From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:47:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands Message-ID: I tried experimenting with the mail command interface to MailMan with total lack of success until I discovered some oddities regarding the detection of sender addresses. I am using Mailman 1.0rc3 (same result with 1.0rc2). I have the default zero setting for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. The MUA I am using on the test account is Netscape running on Linux connecting through an ISP by POP/SMTP. Netscape appears to add a "Sender: nigel" header - ie my unqualified user name, which is not qualified by any of the MTAs on the way (basically none of the MTAs will have sufficient information to qualify it so they shouldn't be playing with it). Commands sent to the list-request address are responded to by mailman, which helpfully (!) sends replies to "nigel" on the list machine and complains during subscribe operations about an unqualified email address. Fixing up the sender header is not really an option - it impacts to many other peoples systems. I tried just stripping the sender header (assuming that would cause a drop back to From: headers as is implied in the FAQ etc), and managed to completely break list posting :-( So I guess that Mailman, to be safe, should check the sender address more carefully - specifically if it is not qualified then it should discard it and use the From: or envelope (maybe Return-Path:) address in its place. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From tbryan at server.python.net Mon Jul 12 15:52:26 1999 From: tbryan at server.python.net (Tom Bryan) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] how to disable confirm reading? In-Reply-To: <03cf01becc34$a91f0260$0c01c7c3@mkm.sulinet.hu> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Dringo Bela wrote: > I read the following letter: > http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-June/001524.html > and i have the same problem. Is there any solution? Future plan? > (is this the right place to request a feature?) I haven't looked into this problem (list users can get a reply receipt from list recipients) yet. I've been meaning to sit down with the Mailman code some time, but I haven't had time. It seems that Mailman must mess with the headers to modify/add a Reply-To: line to set it to the list address. I wonder whether there's any other header munging in the Mailman code. (In general, I don't think that lists should munge headers, but I don't think that *any* user wants a confirmation from all of a list's recipients.) I saw this on the TODO (http://www.list.org/todo.html) list: """Email Handling.... Allow for programs to run that perform filtering / reformatting.""" I'm not sure whether filtering/reformatting applies to the body, the headers, or both. If anyone figures out a good fix, let us know. ---Tom From brian at lasierra.edu Mon Jul 12 23:19:07 1999 From: brian at lasierra.edu (B. Friday) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 (fwd) Message-ID: Hello Mailman Users, Got a quick question that's been causing me trouble... I've gott Mailman installed as UID:110 and GID:110 I've set the cgi's to run as nobody and have had a flawless system. I switched a list from one server to another server and now I find I'm running into problems. The switch had some troubles but nothing major and I was able to successfully access archives etc. But now I'm getting the following error. Jul 12 14:09:21 inet Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 250. (Reconfigure to take 250?) I've attempted to follow the directions given in the INSTALL file but what keeps on happening is when I reconfigure for 250 it wants 1 and when I configure it for 1 it wants 250. Basically anything I configure it for it wants the exact opposite or defaults to 1. Does anybody have any ideas? (or can you point me to the glaring error I made?) Sincerely, Brian (looking dazed and a little confused) BTW I've included the postmaster message I recieve back from the list... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:09:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: test-admin at inet.lasierra.edu Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: Brian Friday Resent-To: brian at LaSierra.edu Resent-Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 The original message was received at Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:09:21 -0700 (PDT) from bfriday at localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" (expanded from: test at inet.lasierra.edu) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2 From brian at lasierra.edu Mon Jul 12 23:27:09 1999 From: brian at lasierra.edu (B. Friday) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An Addendum: The following things with the list are functional: Messages sent to the list are properly distributed. What doesn't work is: a entry in the /etc/aliases file cic: cic,test at inet.lasierra.edu any mail sent to this entry gets rejected by my mailer Brian From brian at lasierra.edu Tue Jul 13 00:35:47 1999 From: brian at lasierra.edu (B. Friday) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 15:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail Wrapper and GID Errors (Unresolved) Message-ID: Okay, Third post is the charm.... (sorry for the previous spam...) System Specs: Enterprise 250 Solaris 7 256 MB Ram Python 1.5.1 Mailman 1.0rc3 Quick Problem Description: A message is sent to an alias "cic at lasierra.edu". This alias points the message to the user cic and the mailing list "test". When a message is sent to this alias, it gets caught by our postmaster returning the message with a "unknown mailer error 2" and does not deliver it to either the list or the user cic. (No error messages are logged in any of mailman's log files...) A message sent to the test at lasierra.edu list is recieved fine and there are no error messages at all (in mailman logs, console of our system log files). Solutions previously tried and failed: The solution given in the INSTALL guide for mailman only results in our server wanting: GID 250 when it is configured with GID 1 *GID 1 when it is configured with GID 250 GID 1 when it is configured with GID 6 GID 1 when it is configured with GID 110 * This message also occurs when the --with-mail-gid is not used at configure time. The information regarding sendmail and smrsh: We are currently not running smrsh. Long Text of problem: Posts sent to my mailing lists by way of a alias in the /etc/mail/aliases file, return the error Alias as seen in file: cic: cic,test Error message: Jul 12 14:33:07 inet Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 1, GOT gid 250. (Reconfigure to take 250?) in my /var/adm/messages logfile and print on the console. I get a return email with the following information in it: -------------Postmaster Error Message----------------------------------------- Received: from inet.lasierra.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inet.lasierra.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02536 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by inet.lasierra.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with internal id OAB02524; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199907122134.OAB02524 at inet.lasierra.edu> To: test-admin at inet.lasierra.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="OAB02524.931815291/inet.lasierra.edu" Content-Length: 1648 Parts/Attachments: 1 Shown 9 lines Text 2 Shown 477 bytes Message, "Delivery Status" 3 Shown 591 bytes Message, "test message" 3.1 Shown 9 lines Text ---------------------------------------- The original message was received at Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) from bfriday at localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" (expanded from: test) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2 [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; inet.lasierra.edu Arrival-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; Action: expanded (to multi-recipient alias) Status: 2.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/opt/mailman/mail/wrapper post test at inet.lasierra.edu Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) [ Part 3: "Included Message" ] Return-Path: Received: from localhost (bfriday at localhost) by inet.lasierra.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02523 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Friday To: cic at lasierra.edu Subject: test message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sincerely, Brian Friday Systems Administrator La Sierra University (909) 785-2554 x2 -------------------------------------------------------- This error does not appear when I send a message From jschneit at Adobe.COM Tue Jul 13 01:46:19 1999 From: jschneit at Adobe.COM (Jeff Schneiter) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:46:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started References: <37867737.4310E38F@adobe.com> Message-ID: <378A7E4B.E4D0718B@adobe.com> Thanks for the replies! I have since lucked out and have a Sparc20 with 2 cpu's and 192Meg of memory and 2 2G disks. So I will put Solaris 2.7 on it then. Religion time: I like it both ways - i like BSD and System V. OpenBSD is so darn easy to configure, the /etc directory fits on one screen and has nicely named files (mygate, myname,..) and a 'ps auxwww' fits on one screen (24 rows). It doesn't take up much disk space at all...i could go on and on. System V has the cool init.d (or rc.d) files that make it so easy to start and stop processes. Um, there must be more than that...oh yeah, the biggie: it's kind of the standard for the Unix IS here at Adobe. The more OS'es we have to work with, the more we have to work :) A real Mailman question: is it easy to restrict who can send to a mailing list? That's one of the most important features for us. jeff From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Jul 13 02:04:50 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Still getting the same cron errors in rc3 Message-ID: I upgraded early this afternoon, but it's not happy yet. :( -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "I have a simple rule in life: If I don't understand something, it must be bad." & "If you want more than 4 gig of memory, get a *real* CPU." -- Linus Torvalds, speaking at BALUG (www.balug.org) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 16:42:00 -0700 From: Cron Daemon To: mailman at adelie.baypiggies.org Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 46, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 39, in main lockfile.lock() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/flock.py", line 119, in lock os.link(self.lockfile, self.tmpfname) OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied From christopher at schulte.org Tue Jul 13 02:18:40 1999 From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:18:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started In-Reply-To: <378A7E4B.E4D0718B@adobe.com> References: <37867737.4310E38F@adobe.com> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990712191555.00b5b5a0@pop.schulte.org> At 04:46 PM 7/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >A real Mailman question: is it easy to restrict who can >send to a mailing list? That's one of the most important >features for us. Sure. You can set a list up a few ways: You can set it to be 100% open. You can set it to be 100% moderated. You can set it so only members can post. You can set it so only a defined list of people can post. You can set it so only subscribers AND a defined list can post. Maybe others? >jeff -- NAME: Christopher Schulte LOVE: techno crap, pizza SITE: http://www.schulte.org/ MAIL: christopher at schulte.org You've died and gone to heaven: http://natalie.schulte.org/randimage.shtml From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Jul 13 02:02:38 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Getting Started In-Reply-To: <378A7E4B.E4D0718B@adobe.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 12 Jul 1999, Jeff Schneiter wrote: > A real Mailman question: is it easy to restrict who can > send to a mailing list? That's one of the most important > features for us. Yep! All the list configuration can be done via the web administration tool. VERY easy. :) -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "I have a simple rule in life: If I don't understand something, it must be bad." & "If you want more than 4 gig of memory, get a *real* CPU." -- Linus Torvalds, speaking at BALUG (www.balug.org) From johnr at eecs.berkeley.edu Tue Jul 13 02:53:46 1999 From: johnr at eecs.berkeley.edu (John Reekie) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 17:53:46 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Disabling admin passwords? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01beccca$300cd500$683e2080@bean.eecs.berkeley.edu> How can I disable the password requirement for list admin pages? I am creating a site where everybody already has a login/password, and the Mailman CGI scripts are being "wrapped" in a set of PHP scripts that only allow you to see an admin page if you are logged in and have permissions. To make it work properly, though, I need to make Mailman think that it already has the admin password without bringing up the admin password page. Any suggestions? Thanks! JohnR From sydelko at csociety.purdue.edu Tue Jul 13 08:51:02 1999 From: sydelko at csociety.purdue.edu (Andrew Sydelko) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 01:51:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem with check_perms Message-ID: <199907130651.BAA05752@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu> using mailman-1.0rc3, after a (./configure; make install) I run check_perms. But it gives me this error. I'm not able to figure out exactly what it means. [root at csociety mailman]# bin/check_perms Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 164, in ? checkadminpw() File "bin/check_perms", line 128, in checkadminpw mode = statmode(adminpw) File "bin/check_perms", line 39, in statmode return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') Please provide some help. --andy. From eskes at signaal.nl Tue Jul 13 09:32:44 1999 From: eskes at signaal.nl (e.d.j.m. eskes) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:32:44 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem with check_perms References: <199907130651.BAA05752@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <378AEB9C.7F6706A5@signaal.nl> Hi, I've the same problem! Besides that I got a lot of error messages during the 'make install'. Is there any relation between those two error messages? Bob make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/mailman-1.0rc3/templates' for f in *.html *.txt; \ do \ mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || /bin/true; \ /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \ done mv: /home/mailman/templates/archives.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/handle_opts.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/listinfo.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/options.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/roster.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/subscribe.html: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/adminsubscribeack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/adminunsubscribeack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/admlogin.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/approve.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/bounce.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/checkdbs.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/convert.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/cronpass.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/help.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/masthead.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/newlist.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/nopass.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/postack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/postauth.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/postheld.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/reenable.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/refuse.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/subauth.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/subscribeack.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/userpass.txt: No such file or directory mv: /home/mailman/templates/verify.txt: No such file or directory m -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Name :Bob Eskes Email:eskes at signaal.nl | | Org :Hollandse Signaalapparaten B.V. Phone:+31-74-2484341 | | Dept :ASR (ZA-J12) FAX :+31-74-2484018 | | Adres:P.O.box 42, 7550 GD Hengelo, The Netherlands | +----------------------------------------------[ Unclassified ]-+ Andrew Sydelko wrote: > > using mailman-1.0rc3, after a (./configure; make install) I run check_perms. > But it gives me this error. I'm not able to figure out exactly what > it means. > > [root at csociety mailman]# bin/check_perms > Traceback (innermost last): > File "bin/check_perms", line 164, in ? > checkadminpw() > File "bin/check_perms", line 128, in checkadminpw > mode = statmode(adminpw) > File "bin/check_perms", line 39, in statmode > return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] > os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') > > Please provide some help. > > --andy. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From tbryan at server.python.net Tue Jul 13 13:59:26 1999 From: tbryan at server.python.net (Tom Bryan) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 07:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem with check_perms In-Reply-To: <378AEB9C.7F6706A5@signaal.nl> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, e.d.j.m. eskes wrote: > I've the same problem! > > Besides that I got a lot of error messages during the > 'make install'. > Is there any relation between those two error messages? ... > make[1]: Entering directory `/home/bob/mailman-1.0rc3/templates' > for f in *.html *.txt; \ > do \ > mv -f /home/mailman/templates/$f /home/mailman/templates/$f.prev || > /bin/true; \ > /usr/bin/install -c -m 644 $f /home/mailman/templates; \ > done > mv: /home/mailman/templates/archives.html: No such file or directory .... etc. > > [root at csociety mailman]# bin/check_perms > > Traceback (innermost last): > > File "bin/check_perms", line 164, in ? > > checkadminpw() > > File "bin/check_perms", line 128, in checkadminpw > > mode = statmode(adminpw) > > File "bin/check_perms", line 39, in statmode > > return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] > > os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') Possibly. Maybe add the line print path to bin/check_perms just before it does the os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]. (Make sure that the "print path" line has the same indentation as the os.stat line. (It's probably best to use spaces and no tabs to ensure the correct indentation unless your editor has a good python mode.) The error looks like it's just saying that one of the paths it's checking doesn't exist. That would seem to indicate an error with your installation. Does the /home/mailman directory even have a templates subdirectory? Is there anything in it? ---Tom From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 13 17:03:49 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] install problem with check_perms References: <199907130651.BAA05752@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <14219.21845.340374.652275@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "AS" == Andrew Sydelko writes: AS> using mailman-1.0rc3, after a (./configure; make install) I AS> run check_perms. But it gives me this error. I'm not able to AS> figure out exactly what it means. Buglet in rc3. If you've never run mmsitepass, you won't have an adm.pw file! Here's the patch (which includes one for older Pythons too)... -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Index: check_perms =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/bin/check_perms,v retrieving revision 1.4 retrieving revision 1.5 diff -c -r1.4 -r1.5 *** check_perms 1999/07/09 23:36:38 1.4 --- check_perms 1999/07/12 20:34:25 1.5 *************** *** 49,55 **** print 'checking gid and modes for', path try: mode, gid = statgidmode(path) ! except OSError, (code, msg): if code == errno.ENOENT: continue raise --- 49,55 ---- print 'checking gid and modes for', path try: mode, gid = statgidmode(path) ! except os.error, (code, msg): if code == errno.ENOENT: continue raise *************** *** 125,131 **** targetmode = S_IFREG | S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR | S_IRGRP if STATE.VERBOSE: print 'checking perms on', adminpw ! mode = statmode(adminpw) if mode <> targetmode: STATE.ERRORS = STATE.ERRORS + 1 print adminpw, 'permissions must be exactly 0640 (got %s)' % oct(mode) --- 125,137 ---- targetmode = S_IFREG | S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR | S_IRGRP if STATE.VERBOSE: print 'checking perms on', adminpw ! try: ! mode = statmode(adminpw) ! except os.error, (code, msg): ! # adm.pw may not exist ! if code == errno.ENOENT: ! return ! raise if mode <> targetmode: STATE.ERRORS = STATE.ERRORS + 1 print adminpw, 'permissions must be exactly 0640 (got %s)' % oct(mode) From zhaoway at xteamlinux.com.cn Tue Jul 13 18:58:20 1999 From: zhaoway at xteamlinux.com.cn (zhaoway) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:58:20 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / host not found (deferred) Message-ID: <003201becd50$f8bbfd60$3e3963ca@ouuch.suck.com> I followed INSTALL to install mailman-1.0rc3, all went well but when I was trying to subscribe to test-list, I got following, In my logs/smtp-failures: Jul 14 00:42:01 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To zhaoway at xteamlinux.com.cn: Jul 14 00:42:01 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: socket.error / host not found (deferred) Jul 14 00:42:01 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Maybe your MTA daemon needs restarting? pls help! I've checked mailman-users archive, didn't get any clue on solving this. P.S. I've been successful on intalling 1.0rc2 on my local test machines, I don't see there were much difference on my side during these 2 install. Any clarification will be greatfully appreciated! --zhaoway From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk Tue Jul 13 19:10:32 1999 From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:10:32 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands In-Reply-To: Message from Nigel Metheringham of "Mon, 12 Jul 1999 12:47:29 BST." Message-ID: My original report on this was confused by the fact that behaviour changed with the 1.0rc2 -> 1.0rc3 upgrade, but my other fiddling concealed this.... Currently, if you are using an MTA which does not add Sender: header fields gratuitously - and strangely enough the exim mailing list users tend to use exim which is in this catagory - then the code handling deriving the sender address louses up totally. It is not dropping back to the From: or envelope sender fields, and so 80% of my users are currently having their postings moderated. There is still also the problem that unqualified senders are accepted - they should be ignored. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From james at perforce.com Tue Jul 13 20:07:35 1999 From: james at perforce.com (james at perforce.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 11:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem installing on FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE, Python 1.5.1, Apache, sendmail Message-ID: First of all, let me say that I think Mailman (and Python!) are the greatest things since sliced bread. I do, however, have a 1.0rc3 install problem which I'm at a loss to solve. The web interface works fine but I just can't send email to a test list - I have the dreaded "unknown mailer error 2" blues. Before you say "check the gid used by sendmail", well, I have. To prove what it's using I added an alias gidtest: "|/usr/bin/id >/tmp/gidtest" then sent mail to gidtest. The result is: cat /tmp/gidtest uid=1(daemon) gid=1(daemon) groups=1(daemon) I've checked /var/log/messages and I see nothing pertinent there. Note that for some reason when I first installed mailman daemon was in group "guest" with gid 31. I changed the passwd entry to put daemon in group daemon (gid 1). I then tried the email, but it bounced as before. I tried reinstalling (make clean, configure, make install) Mailman specifying --with-mail-gid=1 but I still got bounces. I tried completely deleting everything, starting over with 'tar xvfz mailman.tar.gz' and installing, again with --with-mail-gid=1 but I still get bounces. I have installed Mailman successfully on another FreeBSD machine using Apache and sendmail and have been using it for quite a while (it's 1.0b6 vintage, or thereabouts). That makes it all the more frustrating that I can't get it to work on this other machine. They're both running FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE, although the other machine was running 2.2 when I installed Mailman. I think both machines are running sendmail 8.9.1 I noticed a couple of glitches during the install. The INSTALL instructions mention 'owner-mailman' at one point but 'mailman-owner' everywhere else. There is a paragraph 'Note: Do *not* change HOME_DIR or MAILMAN_DIR ...' which doesn't seem to apply any more (I couldn't find MAILMAN_DIR anywhere). I could not find any .gif files anywhere - the misc directory doesn't seem to have been installed (should it have been, or should the instructions be different?). Lastly, and most importantly, bin/check_perms fails with a stack traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 160, in ? checkall() File "bin/check_perms", line 76, in checkall os.path.walk(mm_cfg.PREFIX, checkwalk, STATE) File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 253, in walk walk(name, func, arg) File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 253, in walk walk(name, func, arg) File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixpath.py", line 247, in walk func(arg, top, names) File "bin/check_perms", line 52, in checkwalk except OSError, (code, msg): NameError: OSError I tried copying the misc directory over and rerunning check_perms and I got: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/check_perms", line 164, in ? checkadminpw() File "bin/check_perms", line 128, in checkadminpw mode = statmode(adminpw) File "bin/check_perms", line 39, in statmode return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') Any help appreciated! -- James Strickland Perforce Software Technical Support support at perforce.com 510 864-7400 From sydelko at csociety.purdue.edu Tue Jul 13 21:26:55 1999 From: sydelko at csociety.purdue.edu (Andrew Sydelko) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:26:55 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] majordomo archive migration Message-ID: <199907131926.OAA12397@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu> we currently have a list in majordomo. I need to migrate from it to mailman. I have one question. Can I put the old archives into mailman so they are accessible? --andy. From ckolar at kolar.facnet.aurora.edu Tue Jul 13 21:58:45 1999 From: ckolar at kolar.facnet.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] rc3 compile failure under OSF4 Message-ID: <99071315013100.01719@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu> Hi everyone. I am having trouble getting this to the jitterbug database, so I thought that I would post it here. We have been running rc2 without incident. With rc3 the configure seems to go well with the same flags used as before. When we make install we get the following error. Any suggestions as to what we could do would be much appreciated. Can anyone explain what vsnprintf refers to? Cheers, --chris ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: TypeScript File - Mailman1.0rc3 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:34:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Lowe Script started on Tue Jul 13 14:26:18 1999 # make install Creating architecture independent directories... chmod o-r /usr/users/mailman/archives/private Creating architecture dependent directories... for f in digest_arch mmsitepass newlist rmlist add_members list_members remove_members clone_member update arch sync_members check_db withlist check_perms; do .././install-sh -c -m 755 $f /usr/users/mailman/bin; done for f in archive checkdbs crontab.in mailpasswds senddigests upvolumes_monthly upvolumes_yearly gate_news run_queue; do .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/cron; done for f in bowa-strip; do .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/filters; done for f in deliver dumb_deliver contact_transport; do .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/scripts; done .././install-sh -c -m 644 Cookie.py /usr/users/mailman/Mailman ffor d in bin cron scripts mail; do dir=/usr/users/mailman/$d; .././install-sh -c -m 644 paths.py $dir; done .././install-sh -c -m 664 pending_subscriptions.db /usr/users/mailman/data ffor f in *.py; do .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/Mailman; done .././install-sh -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /usr/users/mailman/Mailman iif [ ! -f /usr/users/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py ]; then .././install-sh -c -m 644 mm_cfg.py.dist /usr/users/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py; fi for d in Cgi Logging Archiver pythonlib; do (cd $d; make install); done for f in *.py; do ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/Mailman/Cgi; done for f in __init__.py Logger.py MultiLogger.py StampedLogger.py Utils.py; do ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/Mailman/Logging; done for f in __init__.py Archiver.py HyperArch.py HyperDatabase.py pipermail.py; do ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/Mailman/Archiver; done for f in *.py; do ../.././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/Mailman/pythonlib; done for f in answer_majordomo_mail mailcmd mailowner post driver; do .././install-sh -c -m 644 $f /usr/users/mailman/scripts; done cc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/usr/users/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/usr/local/bin/python\"" -DHELPFUL -O -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t ./common.c cc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=81 -O -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DHAVE_SETREGID=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t common.o -o admin ./cgi-wrapper.c ld: Unresolved: vsnprintf *** Exit 1 Stop. *** Exit 1 Stop. -- /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ Christopher G. Kolar Director of Instructional Technology Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois ckolar at aurora.edu -- www.aurora.edu [View full header for public key recovery information.] From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 13 22:16:46 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] rc3 compile failure under OSF4 References: <99071315013100.01719@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu> Message-ID: <14219.40622.329340.386879@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "CK" == Christopher Kolar writes: CK> We have been running rc2 without incident. With rc3 the CK> configure seems to go well with the same flags used as before. CK> When we make install we get the following error. Any CK> suggestions as to what we could do would be much appreciated. CK> Can anyone explain what vsnprintf refers to? vsnprintf() is a safe version of vsprintf() -- it specifies the size of the buffer to print into so you avoid buffer overrun exploits. Solaris 2.5 is also missing vsnprintf() so the CVS snapshot has a workaround, stolen from GNU screen. I've only been able to test compilation of the workaround, not it's actual functionality (I have a 2.5 machine I can compile on, but not install and test Mailman). I'd love it if you could grab the current CVS snapshot and give it a test. You'll need to re-run configure after zapping your config.cache file (i.e. "make distclean ; configure" or "config.status --recheck") What's in CVS now is what I plan to use for 1.0 final, so please let me know how it goes! -Barry From wheakory at isu.edu Tue Jul 13 23:05:13 1999 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 15:05:13 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman Message-ID: <378BAA09.2877579D@isu.edu> My question, is there someway to migrate majordomo lists over to mailman and have them totally functional. I want to do this because I don't want to have to create all my lists over in mailman, because I manage about 70 mailing lists on majordomo. I would like to use mailman has our listserv package and no longer support majordomo, because I like the interface of mailman better. -- Kory Wheatley Office Phone 236-3874 Computing & Communication System Operations & Networking From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Wed Jul 14 00:22:24 1999 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:22:24 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: <378BAA09.2877579D@isu.edu> Message-ID: We used $prefix/bin/convertlist successfully to migrate quite a lot of lists from petti-domo to mailman. Simply call it, it has good self documenting help. -- Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From freyadjustd at bigpond.com Wed Jul 14 09:20:25 1999 From: freyadjustd at bigpond.com (sonia lawson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:20:25 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone on Antibiotic treatment for Mycoplasma in their white cells. Message-ID: <000c01becdc9$5880a8e0$76f2868b@dialup.surfthe.net.au> Hi!, I have had C.F.S. for 17 years severely. Last year test proved I have Mycoplasma bacteria/virus in my white cells. I have been on Rulide for 6 months and am no better, but infact some symptons are worse. I am having a 2 week break at present from Rulide and need to go on a different antibiotic as from next week. My problem is I do not know which antibiotic to try next. The type of Mycoplasma I have is Ureaplasma so it must be one that will be suited to attack it. Is anyone out there on this treatment and could they tell me how they are going. I have increased sweating day and night and increased joint and muscle pain. I have been on morphine for the pain for the past 4 years. I am under different specialist but do not have an appointment till next month and they have either been away or too busy to return calls to give me the needed advise. My G.P. is still learning. Hoping to hear soon, Sonia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990714/76f819fe/attachment.html From blurr at txraves.org Wed Jul 14 15:37:02 1999 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:37:02 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] prevent users from unsubscribing References: <000c01becdc9$5880a8e0$76f2868b@dialup.surfthe.net.au> Message-ID: <003001becdfd$f7676140$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> i have a list of users that i need to be permanently subscribed until they no longer have a shell account on my server(the list is for updates & notices etc). how do i prevent users from unsubscribing from the list? or better yet, is there a way to block them from using certain commands? ------------------------- Jordan Phillips blurr at txraves.org http://www.txraves.org Black holes are where God divided by zero. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990714/4e045931/attachment.htm From ckolar at kolar.facnet.aurora.edu Wed Jul 14 16:00:38 1999 From: ckolar at kolar.facnet.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:00:38 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman References: <378BAA09.2877579D@isu.edu> Message-ID: <99071409051400.01510@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu> On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Kory Wheatley wrote: > My question, is there someway to migrate majordomo lists over to > mailman > and have them totally functional. I want to do this because I > don't want > to have to create all my lists over in mailman, because I manage > about > 70 mailing lists on majordomo. I would like to use mailman has > our > listserv package and no longer support majordomo, because I like > the > interface of mailman better. We are migrating from majordomo to mailman as well. Thus far we have just created each of the lists that we want to move to mailman, fixed the aliases, and then pasted the text from the majordomo subscriber list into the mailman web interface. We have gotten it down to a couple of minutes per list. If there is an automated way to do it, then we have not been smart enough to use it. :) --chris -- /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ Christopher G. Kolar Director of Instructional Technology Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois ckolar at aurora.edu -- www.aurora.edu [View full header for public key recovery information.] From trevor at jpj.net Wed Jul 14 16:34:39 1999 From: trevor at jpj.net (Trevor Johnson) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] rc3 compile failure under OSF4 In-Reply-To: <99071315013100.01719@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu> Message-ID: > ld: > Unresolved: > vsnprintf OSF/1 doesn't have that function. However, someone wrote a substitute. I've appended his message, which I found at the URL: http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/archive.pike?list=1&date=1998- 06-29&msg=199806281748.NAA01264 at alcor.concordia.ca __ Trevor Johnson To: BugTraq Subject: Re: patch for qpopper remote exploit bug Date: Sun Jun 28 1998 13:48:54 Author: Steven Winikoff Message-ID: <199806281748.NAA01264 at alcor.concordia.ca> I apologize for not replying directly to Bugtraq for the sake of proper threading, but I'm not actually subscribed, so I saw your message on the archive at http://geek-girl.com/bugtraq/. Anyhow, you said: >Digital Unix 3.2G does not seem to have either vsnprintf or snprintf. Neither does 4.0B. >However, qpopper under Digital Unix 3.2G does not seem to show the >vulnerability as discussed on this list even though it contains the >vulnerable code. I'm glad to hear that. :-) Nevertheless I installed a patched version of qpop-2.4 last night on our DEC Unix 4.0B POP server. I used the following hacked vsnprintf() interface, which I wrote myself after giving up on finding source elsewhere (eg, the NetBSD version, which is totally incompatible with the definition of (struct FILE) on DEC Unix). This version follows the semantics for vsnprintf() as found in NetBSD/386 1.2: 8<---------------------------- cut here -------------------------->8 #include #include #include /* * vsnprintf() -- hacked interface, because DEC OSF/1 doesn't * have the real thing... * * Steven Winikoff * 1998/06/27 * * This code is rather feeble-minded; all it does is truncate the * given string temporarily, call vsprintf() to "print" it, and * then restore the original string. * * We return whatever we got from vsprintf(). */ int vsnprintf(char *str, size_t n, const char *fmt, va_list ap) { int result; char c; /** do we even need to bother? **/ if (strlen(str) < n) return(vsprintf(str, fmt, ap)); /** okay, truncate, call vsprintf(), and restore: **/ c = str[n-1]; str[n-1] = '\0'; /* take that! :-) */ result = vsprintf(str, fmt, ap); /* do the write thing :-) */ str[n-1] = c; /* all better now :-) */ return(result); } 8<---------------------------- cut here -------------------------->8 I don't know if this is helpful at all, but I figured I should pass it on anyway just in case. - Steven ________________________________________________________________________ Steven Winikoff | "One of the main causes of the fall of Concordia University | the Roman Empire was that, lacking Montreal, QC, Canada | zero, they had no way to indicate smw at alcor.concordia.ca | successful termination of their C http://alcor.concordia.ca/~smw | programs." - Robert Firth From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 14 17:43:44 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] rc3 compile failure under OSF4 References: <99071315013100.01719@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu> Message-ID: <14220.45104.551194.533945@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TJ" == Trevor Johnson writes: >> ld: Unresolved: vsnprintf TJ> OSF/1 doesn't have that function. However, someone wrote a TJ> substitute. I've appended his message, which I found at the TJ> URL: This implementation is suspect. vsprintf() doesn't stop printing into the buffer when it encounters a null byte. I think the GNU screen implementation I'm using has at least a fighting chance of being safe! -Barry From jlewis at prospace.org Wed Jul 14 17:54:32 1999 From: jlewis at prospace.org (John Lewis) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:54:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I reset forgotten password on list Message-ID: <003b01bece11$3bf41390$fa0510ac@woodberry.org> How can I reset the password on a list where the maintainer has forgotten it? I looked at the scripts, and did not see anything obvious... Thanks. -- John Lewis ProSpace volunteer webmaster and mailinglist maintainer From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Wed Jul 14 19:23:28 1999 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:23:28 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I reset forgotten password on list In-Reply-To: <003b01bece11$3bf41390$fa0510ac@woodberry.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, John Lewis wrote: > How can I reset the password on a list where the maintainer has forgotten > it? I looked at the scripts, and did not see anything obvious... You can use the site password anywhere an admin password would be used. > > Thanks. You are welcome :) -- Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 14 19:48:16 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman References: <378BAA09.2877579D@isu.edu> Message-ID: <14220.52576.790994.87013@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "VG" == Victoriano Giralt writes: VG> We used $prefix/bin/convertlist successfully to migrate quite VG> a lot of lists from petti-domo to mailman. bin/convertlist doesn't exist anymore (it was really misnamed anyway because it didn't set any list parameters). However, bin/add_members can be used to take a sendmail :include: style flat file like Majordomo uses (tho' I'm not sure about pettidomo) and populate a list's membership. add_members has a few options so you'll want to do a bin/add_members -h to read the docstring. I used this script to convert all the straggler Majordomo lists on python.org to Mailman. -Barry From dedick at stmarys-ca.edu Wed Jul 14 20:09:04 1999 From: dedick at stmarys-ca.edu (Dave Edick) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: <14220.52576.790994.87013@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: If you're just initially populating the lists, can't bin/sync_members be used for this? If you start with an empty list, it would just add everyone in the flat file. It looked a little more flexible to me than add_members. -- /Dave Edick/ dedick at stmarys-ca.edu Unix Systems Administrator, St. Mary's College of California On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:48:16 -0400 (EDT) > From: Barry A. Warsaw > To: Victoriano Giralt > Cc: Kory Wheatley , mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman > > > >>>>> "VG" == Victoriano Giralt writes: > > VG> We used $prefix/bin/convertlist successfully to migrate quite > VG> a lot of lists from petti-domo to mailman. > > bin/convertlist doesn't exist anymore (it was really misnamed > anyway because it didn't set any list parameters). However, > bin/add_members can be used to take a sendmail :include: style flat > file like Majordomo uses (tho' I'm not sure about pettidomo) and > populate a list's membership. add_members has a few options so you'll > want to do a bin/add_members -h to read the docstring. > > I used this script to convert all the straggler Majordomo lists on > python.org to Mailman. > > -Barry > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 14 23:06:49 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman References: <14220.52576.790994.87013@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <14220.64489.579869.336452@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Sure, sync_members work well too. From dedick at stmarys-ca.edu Wed Jul 14 23:34:18 1999 From: dedick at stmarys-ca.edu (Dave Edick) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail aliases interface to newlist? Message-ID: Can anyone tell me how an outside script is called by newlist to automatically create aliases? Or even better, has anyone already created one for sendmail? I don't know Python and I haven't been able to figure out how newlist passes the info to the script. Sorry if this has been hashed over before. I checked the past couple months in the list archive and couldn't find anything on this. -- /Dave Edick/ dedick at stmarys-ca.edu Unix Systems Administrator, St. Mary's College of California From roger at infomed.sld.cu Thu Jul 15 00:51:47 1999 From: roger at infomed.sld.cu (Roger Pen~a Escobio) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sendmail aliases interface to newlist? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Dave Edick wrote: > Can anyone tell me how an outside script is called by newlist to > automatically create aliases? Or even better, has anyone already created > one for sendmail? I don't know Python and I haven't been able to figure > out how newlist passes the info to the script. you need hack this file and some others for it to works. > > Sorry if this has been hashed over before. I checked the past couple > months in the list archive and couldn't find anything on this. check the archive of few months ago ( Jan-->March) i post some messages relate with this topic. Roger > /Dave Edick/ dedick at stmarys-ca.edu > Unix Systems Administrator, St. Mary's College of California > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From rsr at inorganic.org Thu Jul 15 02:08:26 1999 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unmarshal config? Message-ID: I'm starting to see this message: --- Subject: Output from "cron" command Your "cron" job on lists /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs produced the following output: Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 77, in ? main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1 File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 34, in main list = MailList.MailList(name, lock = 0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 778, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, ('Failed to unmarshal config info: ' TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands ---- What the heck does this mean? -roy From office at bush.org.nz Thu Jul 15 00:20:11 1999 From: office at bush.org.nz (Office) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:20:11 +1200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] front end database Message-ID: <000001bece5d$ba5ba080$0c7837d2@baldrick> Hi I'm new to using mailman but I think its great. Its nice to administer and easy for users. Its being used at http:www.bush.org.nz/kereru/ My question is I want to add Web Pages (produced by a simple front end database)that users log onto with password etc. They can add personal details like name, mailing address, interests. They can then tick a number of lists to subscribe/unsubscribe from. The lists they can subscribe to depending on eligibility (database derived). The lists being run from mailman. Is here an easy way to do this Mike Peters volunteer programmer/ webmaster New Zealand Ecological Restoration Network From z at singtel.telcosucks.org Thu Jul 15 04:30:54 1999 From: z at singtel.telcosucks.org (z at singtel.telcosucks.org) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:30:54 +0800 (SGT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman In-Reply-To: <99071409051400.01510@kolar.facnet.aurora.edu> Message-ID: Check out the "add_members" shell utility to allow you to mass add members from text files. We used this to migrate Smartlist and Majordomo lists where their subscriber lists are text based. Regards On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Christopher Kolar wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:00:38 -0500 > From: Christopher Kolar > To: mailman-users at python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrate majordomo to Mailman > > On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, Kory Wheatley wrote: > > My question, is there someway to migrate majordomo lists over to > > mailman > > and have them totally functional. I want to do this because I > > don't want > > to have to create all my lists over in mailman, because I manage > > about > > 70 mailing lists on majordomo. I would like to use mailman has > > our > > listserv package and no longer support majordomo, because I like > > the > > interface of mailman better. > > We are migrating from majordomo to mailman as well. Thus far we have just > created each of the lists that we want to move to mailman, fixed the aliases, > and then pasted the text from the majordomo subscriber list into the mailman web > interface. We have gotten it down to a couple of minutes per list. If there > is an automated way to do it, then we have not been smart enough to use it. :) > > --chris > > -- > /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ > Christopher G. Kolar > Director of Instructional Technology > Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois > ckolar at aurora.edu -- www.aurora.edu > [View full header for public key recovery information.] > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From hebble at ncsa.uiuc.edu Thu Jul 15 22:06:54 1999 From: hebble at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Paul Hebble) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:06:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Archiving Support Message-ID: >From Features list in README: o Automatic Web based hypermail-style archives (using pipermail or other external archiver), including provisions for private archives How do you set up an external archiver, besides subscribing it to a list? Thanks, -- Paul Hebble From mryan at netaxs.com Fri Jul 16 03:14:15 1999 From: mryan at netaxs.com (Michael W. Ryan) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Pages Problem Message-ID: Please email me any response directly, as I'm not subscribed to the list. I'm having a problem with Mailman 1.0rc3. After a myriad of changes to the server that my Mailman installation is running (mostly involving Apache, ApacheSSL, and other related items), I am unable to make changes in any of the admin or admindb pages, unless I am accessing the pages from the same machine. The pages, also, aren't using the password stored in the cookie on my browser (yes, I've verified that cookies are on). Even after attempting to submit a change, I am prompted for the admin password. When trying to attend to items in the admindb, the same occurs, but the "Database Updated" message also appears at the top of the page. Of course, the database wasn't really updated. The member pages still update just fine. Changes made do occur. The installation is running on a Linux (Redhat 5.1) system. Anyone have any idea what could be causing this? Michael W. Ryan, MCP, MCT | OTAKON 1999 mryan at netaxs.com | Convention of Otaku Generation http://www.netaxs.com/~mryan/ | http://www.otakon.com/ PGP fingerprint: 7B E5 75 7F 24 EE 19 35 A5 DF C3 45 27 B5 DB DF PGP public key available by fingering mryan at unix.netaxs.com (use -l opt) From matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca Fri Jul 16 04:46:53 1999 From: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca (Matthew Darwin) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman and qmail loop detection problem Message-ID: Anyone else have this problem loop problems with qmail? Here's what do to make it happen (Caution don't do this unless you know what you're doing). Use any non-existant e-mail address for the administrator. % ./newlist test Enter the email of the person running the list: junk at davin.ottawa.on.ca Initial test password: % mail -s loop test-admin at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-junk the HUGE bounce message is delivered. I'm using mailman rc2, qmail 1.03 and qmail-to-mailman.py (March 1999). Sample error message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18934 invoked by uid 2); 15 Jul 1999 22:35:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO HSE-OTT-ppp33359.sympatico.ca) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 22:35:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 18926 invoked for bounce); 15 Jul 1999 22:35:53 -0400 Date: 15 Jul 1999 22:35:53 -0400 From: MAILER-DAEMON at davin.ottawa.on.ca To: test-admin at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at davin.ottawa.on.ca. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. [quoting the above message repeatedly until you get back the original message] --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18890 invoked by uid 2); 15 Jul 1999 22:35:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (HELO HSE-OTT-ppp33359.sympatico.ca) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jul 1999 22:35:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 18882 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 1999 22:35:50 -0400 Date: 15 Jul 1999 22:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: <19990716023550.18881.qmail at davin.ottawa.on.ca> From: matthew at davin.ottawa.on.ca To: test-admin at lists.davin.ottawa.on.ca Subject: loop From ricardo at miss-janet.com Fri Jul 16 07:33:10 1999 From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 07:33:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Pages Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On 16-Jul-99 Michael W. Ryan wrote: > the same machine. The pages, also, aren't using the password stored in > the cookie on my browser (yes, I've verified that cookies are on). Even > after attempting to submit a change, I am prompted for the admin password. > When trying to attend to items in the admindb, the same occurs, but the > "Database Updated" message also appears at the top of the page. Of > course, the database wasn't really updated. > The installation is running on a Linux (Redhat 5.1) system. > Anyone have any idea what could be causing this? just a shot in the dark.... is the system time on the server still ok? thats the only reason i can think of why it only works when accessing the pages from the same computer... a wrong system time can mean that cookies expire immediately if accessed from a different machine. Ricardo. -- From glen at interq.or.jp Fri Jul 16 11:53:34 1999 From: glen at interq.or.jp (Glen Malley) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:53:34 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Non-Latin characters? Message-ID: <378F011E.55E20DED@interq.or.jp> I'm curious as to whether or not anyone has gotten Mailman to work well with messages containing non-Latin characters. In my particular case, Japanese. I did a few tests on my test-box and found that while Japanese messages do get sent perfectly to the mailing list recipients, archiving somehow mangles the encoding and produces gibberish. Obviously this is not a good thing... Does anyone have any experience/comments about this? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Glen Malley Systems Developer | | glen at interq.or.jp interQ Corporation - System Division | | (cell)090-4398-7951 Shibuya Infoss Tower 10F | | Tokyo, Japan | | http://www.interq.ad.jp 150-0031 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From neil at brighton.co.uk Fri Jul 16 12:43:59 1999 From: neil at brighton.co.uk (Neil Turner) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:43:59 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do I configure a private list Message-ID: <378F0CEF.D6A218C1@brighton.co.uk> Hi I want to set up a list that only administrators (not members) can post to. So I don't want the 'how to to post to list' bit in the welcome email can any one tell me if this is possible and how. I would also like to lose the password feature, is that possible? TIA Neil Turner From mryan at netaxs.com Fri Jul 16 15:19:23 1999 From: mryan at netaxs.com (Michael W. Ryan) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Pages Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Ricardo Kustner wrote: > just a shot in the dark.... is the system time on the server still ok? thats the > only reason i can think of why it only works when accessing the pages from the > same computer... a wrong system time can mean that cookies expire immediately if > accessed from a different machine. The clock appears to be about 5 hours fast; however, keep in mind that it's also not taking administrative changes. Michael W. Ryan, MCP, MCT | OTAKON 1999 mryan at netaxs.com | Convention of Otaku Generation http://www.netaxs.com/~mryan/ | http://www.otakon.com/ PGP fingerprint: 7B E5 75 7F 24 EE 19 35 A5 DF C3 45 27 B5 DB DF PGP public key available by fingering mryan at unix.netaxs.com (use -l opt) From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 16 16:21:00 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Pages Problem References: Message-ID: <14223.16332.812961.532148@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "MWR" == Michael W Ryan writes: MWR> The clock appears to be about 5 hours fast; however, keep in MWR> mind that it's also not taking administrative changes. Add this to your Mailman/mm_cfg.py file: -------------------- snip snip -------------------- # How long the cookie authorizing administrative changes via the admin cgi # lasts before it needs to be reauthenticated (ie, password demanded). ADMIN_COOKIE_LIFE = 60 * 60 * 3 # 3 hours -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Set the value to something appropriate for your situation (i.e. > 5 hours :) -Barry From mryan at netaxs.com Fri Jul 16 16:46:29 1999 From: mryan at netaxs.com (Michael W. Ryan) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin Pages Problem In-Reply-To: <14223.16332.812961.532148@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: My apologies about my first disagreement. I tried updating the system date, and that appears to have fixed my problem. :) Thanks for the help, everyone. Michael W. Ryan, MCP, MCT | OTAKON 1999 mryan at netaxs.com | Convention of Otaku Generation http://www.netaxs.com/~mryan/ | http://www.otakon.com/ PGP fingerprint: 7B E5 75 7F 24 EE 19 35 A5 DF C3 45 27 B5 DB DF PGP public key available by fingering mryan at unix.netaxs.com (use -l opt) From clark.evans at manhattanproject.com Fri Jul 16 19:41:48 1999 From: clark.evans at manhattanproject.com (Clark Cameron Evans) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Disable Option In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello.Peroidically I have made it a habit to go through my lists and unsubscribe disabled mailing list people (since I get about 10-20 disable notifactoins per month). I was wondering if the "user-disable" vs the "auto-disable" could be seperated so that I do not unsubscribe someone who disabled themselves? They subscribed twice, once from home and once from work. They disabled the home delivery, but wanted home delivery enabled so that they could post to the subscriber-only list. Better yet, is there a way for those lists that have been auto-disabled to be automatically unsubscribed instead? Thanks! Clark From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 16 22:02:38 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Template lists? References: <000001bec965$a57ff960$61112581@bean.eecs.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <14223.36830.866239.756422@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JR" == John Reekie writes: JR> Hi, I need to create a set of standard list templates JR> (eg internal developers, public interest list, CVS JR> notification list etc). I realize I can modify Defaults.py JR> but all of these lists have very different configurations. JR> What is the best way to create such a template and then JR> "instantiate" it? No good answer currently, but it's something that's on my personal wish list. Seems I do the same kind of things quite often (python.org SIG lists, CVS notification lists, moderated/member-only lists, etc.) -Barry From tbryan at server.python.net Sat Jul 17 02:19:31 1999 From: tbryan at server.python.net (Tom Bryan) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Automatic Disable Option In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Clark Cameron Evans wrote: > Hello.Peroidically I have made it a habit to > go through my lists and unsubscribe > disabled mailing list people (since I get > about 10-20 disable notifactoins per month). [...cut...] > Better yet, is there a way for those > lists that have been auto-disabled to > be automatically unsubscribed instead? There is a setting on the "Bounce Optoins" page of the admin site for the list for "Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected." Mine is set to "Disable and notify me," but "Remove and notify me" is one of the options. Maybe you could try that. (Are accounts only auto-disabled because of bounce messages?) ---Tom From sen_ml at eccosys.com Sat Jul 17 16:55:53 1999 From: sen_ml at eccosys.com (sen_ml at eccosys.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:55:53 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Non-Latin characters? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:53:34 +0900" <378F011E.55E20DED@interq.or.jp> References: <378F011E.55E20DED@interq.or.jp> Message-ID: <19990717235553Z.sen_ml@eccosys.com> At around Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:53:34 +0900, Glen Malley may have mentioned: > I'm curious as to whether or not anyone has gotten > Mailman to work well with messages containing non-Latin > characters. In my particular case, Japanese. out of curiosity, did you change any of the messages which originate from the list to contain japanese? if so, did you add: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (or something similar) to the headers? not that this is relevant to the archiver mangling the messages... > I did a few tests on my test-box and found that while > Japanese messages do get sent perfectly to the mailing > list recipients, archiving somehow mangles the encoding > and produces gibberish. > > Obviously this is not a good thing... > Does anyone have any experience/comments about this? i've decided to go the route of using mhonarc as an archiver as it also handles mime messages quite well. this involves a couple of things -- the first is to get mailman working w/ mhonarc and the second is to get mhonarc working w/ japanese. for the second part, if you can read japanese, there are instructions at: http://www.shiratori.riec.tohoku.ac.jp/~p-katoh/Hack/Docs/mhonarc-jp/ for the first part, there was a related message a while back on this list. i'll quote it below as it isn't too long. not sure how up-to-date the instructions are. hope this helps. <----------------------------------------------------------------------> Subject: [Mailman-Users] /mailman/listinfo/ From: Christopher Lindsey lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:34:25 -0500 (CDT) > Anyone successfully have mailman and mhonarc setup? > Any info about doing it would be appreciated. Yup, but it's a hack. The longterm goal is to patch mailman to allow *any* outside archival program to be executed instead of pipermail, but for now I just subscribe an archiving account to the mailing list. The archiving account can be alias that pumps things directly into mhonarc, or you can use procmail (as I do) to send the incoming messages to mhonarc with appropriate commandline arguments. The final thing that I do is comment out mention of the archives from $prefix/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py (lines 40 and 41 in 1.0rc1) and the sections in $prefix/Mailman/MailList.py. I also change PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL and PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL to point to the URL that the MHonArc-based archives are in. Chris <----------------------------------------------------------------------> From darrin at aurum.net.au Sat Jul 17 17:35:24 1999 From: darrin at aurum.net.au (Darrin Wortlehock) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 23:35:24 +0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Question: Is Sub Confirmation Required? Message-ID: <002701bed069$fd29a160$6437a8c0@aurum.net.au> Hi all, Sorry if this is a FAQ, but the documentation seems sparse atm... :) I run a small, business centric ISP in regional Western Australia. I have a customer who wants to establish an announce-only list service, with subscription from a simple form on their remotely hosted web site. The customer's site is running qmail for an MTA and we have tried using ezmlm for the list. The problem is that the customer is absolutely definitely adament (beyond persuasion otherwise) that they do NOT want list subscribers to have to reply to a confirmation message before being added to the list. I have tried to convince the customer on the technical and security merit of subscription confirmation, but he will not budge. My question therefore is: Is it possible to configure a mailman list to not require return confirmation messages for subscription from a web form? Thanks. Darrin. From jkeenan at blkcat.com Sat Jul 17 17:42:44 1999 From: jkeenan at blkcat.com (Joe Keenan) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:42:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual Domains? Message-ID: <3790A46D.4F2661@blkcat.com> Does Mailman have any specific support for Virtual Domains, or do I have to resort to the same sort of hackery I used for Majordomo? Specifically, I want the lists to appear to be on different hosts, as well as the web interfaces. Thanks! joe From sbhan at os.korea.ac.kr Sun Jul 18 17:30:04 1999 From: sbhan at os.korea.ac.kr (Han, SangBeom) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:30:04 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problem. Message-ID: <3791F2FC.27129FD4@os.korea.ac.kr> I compiled the mailman 1.0rc3. When I try installing it using "make install" command, it failed with following message. -------- Undefined first referenced symbol in file vsnprintf common.o ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to admin *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `admin' Current working directory /tmp/mailman-1.0rc3/src *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install' -------- So I look into the "configure" file. In "configure" file, following line is comment out. -------- # Checks for library functions. # TBD: what to do if vsnprintf /doesn't/ exist? #AC_CHECK_FUNCS(vsnprintf) -------- What should i do?? My Platform: Sun Sparc Ultra 1 Solaris 2.5.1 ko gcc 2.8.1 Thanks for my letter. Have a good time. -- OOOOOOOpen Mind! OOOOOOO OO OO sbhan at os.korea.ac.kr, handdol at nownuri.net OO OO Operating System Lab. in Korea University OO OO (lab) 02-3290-3573 (private) 017-282-8968 OOOOOOO OOOOOOOpen World! # Everything is illusion. # From Kring, the Fantasy World. From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sun Jul 18 18:34:08 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problem. References: <3791F2FC.27129FD4@os.korea.ac.kr> Message-ID: <14226.512.634284.852159@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "SH" == SangBeom Han writes: SH> What should i do?? Grab the CVS snashop. It has a (little tested) implementation of vsnprintf taken from GNU screen. -Barry From sbhan at os.korea.ac.kr Sun Jul 18 18:55:35 1999 From: sbhan at os.korea.ac.kr (Han, SangBeom) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 01:55:35 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problem. References: <3791F2FC.27129FD4@os.korea.ac.kr> <14226.512.634284.852159@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <37920707.50E29FC5@os.korea.ac.kr> I visited mailman homepage and tried getting CVS snapshot. However, it required the CVS. I don't have a machine that CVS is installed and will not do. Something different method exist?? Could anyone send me a implementation of vsnprintf?? "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > > SH> What should i do?? > > Grab the CVS snashop. It has a (little tested) implementation of > vsnprintf taken from GNU screen. -- OOOOOOOpen Mind! OOOOOOO OO OO sbhan at os.korea.ac.kr, handdol at nownuri.net OO OO Operating System Lab. in Korea University OO OO (lab) 02-3290-3573 (private) 017-282-8968 OOOOOOO OOOOOOOpen World! # Everything is illusion. # From Kring, the Fantasy World. From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sun Jul 18 21:17:06 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Converting LISTSERV archives to something arch can understand References: <19990709134409.A16589@zuikis.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: <14226.10290.904155.365925@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "M" == Moacir writes: M> I'm having a bit of trouble updating the three years of M> listserv files I have to mbox format--or any format that arch M> can understand. I receive the files as body text of an email, M> that looks basically like this: M> all the way to the end. Now, we've managed to convert those M> lines of "=" into what looks like a normal email "From" line, M> but it still doesn't seem to be working out right. M> Any quick hints on how to mboxify (or anything arch can read) M> this file format? The trick is that the From_ header has to be gotten exactly right, otherwise the archiver won't be able to tell where the message begins. Take a look at the code in Mailman/GatewayManager.py that fakes a From_ header for messages sucked off of Usenet. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sun Jul 18 21:42:43 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands References: Message-ID: <14226.11827.990653.813892@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nigel Metheringham writes: NM> I am using Mailman 1.0rc3 (same result with 1.0rc2). I have NM> the default zero setting for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. The MUA I NM> am using on the test account is Netscape running on Linux NM> connecting through an ISP by POP/SMTP. Netscape appears to NM> add a "Sender: nigel" header - ie my unqualified user name, NM> which is not qualified by any of the MTAs on the way NM> (basically none of the MTAs will have sufficient information NM> to qualify it so they shouldn't be playing with it). NM> Fixing up the sender header is not really an option - it NM> impacts to many other peoples systems. NM> I tried just stripping the sender header (assuming that would NM> cause a drop back to From: headers as is implied in the FAQ NM> etc), and managed to completely break list posting :-( I don't understand this part. Where did you strip the Sender: header? Look at IncomingMessages.GetSender() in Mailman/Message.py. It definitely falls back to using From: if Sender: doesn't exist. NM> So I guess that Mailman, to be safe, should check the sender NM> address more carefully - specifically if it is not qualified NM> then it should discard it and use the From: or envelope (maybe NM> Return-Path:) address in its place. Mailman /could/ have some cascading algorithm for authenticating an email address (i.e. authenticate Sender -> From -> Reply-to -> Envelope Sender). That's a big change to the current situation, so I'm not going to do this for the 1.0 release. Mailman currently only authenticates the first address it finds and if that fails then the message gets held. However, if your ISP is inserting an unqualified Sender: address into outgoing mail it is broken. You say fixing this is not really an option, though I don't understand why that is (it what way does it impact many other people's systems?). If that's really the case I don't know what you can really do. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sun Jul 18 22:06:29 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem installing on FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE, Python 1.5.1, Apache, sendmail References: Message-ID: <14226.13253.511063.140605@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "james" == writes: james> First of all, let me say that I think Mailman (and Python!) james> are the greatest things since sliced bread. Yay! james> I do, however, have a 1.0rc3 install problem which I'm at a james> loss to solve. The web interface works fine but I just james> can't send email to a test list - I have the dreaded james> "unknown mailer error 2" blues. Hmm. you might have to send the bounce message so we can see the details. But... james> I tried copying the misc directory over and rerunning james> check_perms and I got: Traceback (innermost last): Here's the current version of check_perms. Please run it and let us know what it says. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- #! /usr/bin/env python """Check the permissions for the Mailman installation. Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [-f] [-v] [-h] With no arguments, just check and report all the files that have bogus permissions or group ownership. With -f (and run as root), fix all the permission problems found. With -v be verbose. """ import sys import os import errno import getopt import grp from stat import * import paths from Mailman import mm_cfg MAILMAN_GRPNAME = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GID = grp.getgrnam(MAILMAN_GRPNAME)[2] PROGRAM = sys.argv[0] class State: FIX = 0 VERBOSE = 0 ERRORS = 0 STATE = State() def statmode(path): return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE] def statgidmode(path): stat = os.stat(path) return stat[ST_MODE], stat[ST_GID] def checkwalk(arg, dirname, names): for name in names: path = os.path.join(dirname, name) if arg.VERBOSE: print 'checking gid and modes for', path try: mode, gid = statgidmode(path) except os.error, (code, msg): if code == errno.ENOENT: continue raise if gid <> MAILMAN_GID: arg.ERRORS = arg.ERRORS + 1 print path, 'bad gid (has: %s, expected %s)' % ( grp.getgrgid(gid)[0], MAILMAN_GRPNAME), if STATE.FIX: print '(fixing)' os.chown(path, -1, MAILMAN_GID) else: print # all directories must be setgid if S_ISDIR(mode) and not mode & S_ISGID: arg.ERRORS = arg.ERRORS + 1 print path, 'directory is not setgid', if STATE.FIX: print '(fixing)' os.chmod(path, mode | S_ISGID) else: print def checkall(): os.path.walk(mm_cfg.PREFIX, checkwalk, STATE) def checkarchives(): private = mm_cfg.PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR if STATE.VERBOSE: print 'checking perms on', private # private archives must not be other readable mode = statmode(private) if mode & S_IROTH: STATE.ERRORS = STATE.ERRORS + 1 print private, 'must not be other-readable', if STATE.FIX: print '(fixing)' os.chmod(private, mode & ~S_IROTH) else: print def checkcgi(): exes = os.listdir(mm_cfg.CGI_DIR) for f in exes: path = os.path.join(mm_cfg.CGI_DIR, f) if STATE.VERBOSE: print 'checking set-gid for', path mode = statmode(path) if mode & S_IXGRP and not mode & S_ISGID: STATE.ERRORS = STATE.ERRORS + 1 print path, 'must be set-gid', if STATE.FIX: print '(fixing)' os.chmod(path, mode | S_ISGID) else: print def checkmail(): wrapper = os.path.join(mm_cfg.WRAPPER_DIR, 'wrapper') if STATE.VERBOSE: print 'checking set-gid for', wrapper mode = statmode(wrapper) if not mode & S_ISGID: STATE.ERRORS = STATE.ERRORS + 1 print wrapper, 'must be set-gid', if STATE.FIX: print '(fixing)' os.chmod(wrapper, mode | S_ISGID) def checkadminpw(): adminpw = os.path.join(mm_cfg.DATA_DIR, 'adm.pw') targetmode = S_IFREG | S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR | S_IRGRP if STATE.VERBOSE: print 'checking perms on', adminpw try: mode = statmode(adminpw) except os.error, (code, msg): # adm.pw may not exist if code == errno.ENOENT: return raise if mode <> targetmode: STATE.ERRORS = STATE.ERRORS + 1 print adminpw, 'permissions must be exactly 0640 (got %s)' % oct(mode) if STATE.FIX: print '(fixing)' os.chmod(adminpw, targetmode) def usage(code=0, msg=''): print __doc__ % globals() if msg: print msg sys.exit(code) if __name__ == '__main__': try: opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], 'fvh', ['fix', 'verbose', 'help']) except getopt.error, msg: usage(1, msg) for opt, arg in opts: if opt in ('-h', '--help'): usage() elif opt in ('-f', '--fix'): STATE.FIX = 1 elif opt in ('-v', '--verbose'): STATE.VERBOSE = 1 checkall() checkarchives() checkcgi() checkmail() checkadminpw() if not STATE.ERRORS: print 'No problems found' else: print 'Problems found:', STATE.ERRORS print 'Re-run as root with -f flag until no errors are found' From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sun Jul 18 22:08:33 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 16:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unmarshal config? References: Message-ID: <14226.13377.762725.785327@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "RR" == Roy Rapoport writes: RR> I'm starting to see this message: | TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands It means your config.db file is corrupted. For that list, copy config.db.last to config.db. What version of Mailman are you using? -Barry From brown9 at niehs.nih.gov Mon Jul 19 06:37:59 1999 From: brown9 at niehs.nih.gov (Lance A. Brown) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 00:37:59 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman ready for prime time? Message-ID: <26508.932359079@niehs.nih.gov> I realize that mailman isn't at a "finished" 1.0 version yet but I need to explore whether it is ready to handle a site with about 160 lists varying from 1-2 msgs/month to over 100 msgs/day. This site is currently using lsitproc 8.2 and suffering various difficulties which I think mailman would fix. So, what is the consensus of the list? --[Lance] From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk Mon Jul 19 11:14:29 1999 From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:14:29 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands In-Reply-To: Message from "Barry A. Warsaw" of "Sun, 18 Jul 1999 15:42:43 EDT." <14226.11827.990653.813892@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us said: > However, if your ISP is inserting an unqualified Sender: address into > outgoing mail it is broken. You say fixing this is not really an > option, though I don't understand why that is (it what way does it > impact many other people's systems?). If that's really the case I > don't know what you can really do. The Netscape MTA (ugh - but it has its uses as a test bed) inserts an unqualified sender line into the message. I do not believe that an MTA should be trying to fix up ( NM> I tried just stripping the sender header (assuming that would probably wrongly) message headers broken like this, so the ISP has no chance to fix it. NM> I tried just stripping the sender header (assuming that would NM> cause a drop back to From: headers as is implied in the FAQ NM> etc), and managed to completely break list posting :-( bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us said: > I don't understand this part. Where did you strip the Sender: header? > Look at IncomingMessages.GetSender() in Mailman/Message.py. It > definitely falls back to using From: if Sender: doesn't exist. I stripped the sender within my MTA (deleting a header is easy - fixing it in this case is close to impossible). I think the posting breaking was a side effect of trying to many experiements at once and misunderstanding some of the config trade offs in Mailman. I'll come back on this when I finally work out exactly what I broke. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From tabbott at intekom.com Mon Jul 19 11:38:53 1999 From: tabbott at intekom.com (Tony Abbott) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:38:53 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands References: <14226.11827.990653.813892@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <3792F22D.739CBF94@intekom.com> Nigel is having the same problem I had - the Sender: header exists, but is unqualified. This is the way that Netscape Communicator (at least the Unix version) generates the header and as such is something we have to deal with. I worked around this by modifying GetSender to use Reply-to: if available or else From: -t "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > > >>>>> "NM" == Nigel Metheringham writes: > > NM> I am using Mailman 1.0rc3 (same result with 1.0rc2). I have > NM> the default zero setting for USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER. The MUA I > NM> am using on the test account is Netscape running on Linux > NM> connecting through an ISP by POP/SMTP. Netscape appears to > NM> add a "Sender: nigel" header - ie my unqualified user name, > NM> which is not qualified by any of the MTAs on the way > NM> (basically none of the MTAs will have sufficient information > NM> to qualify it so they shouldn't be playing with it). > > NM> Fixing up the sender header is not really an option - it > NM> impacts to many other peoples systems. > > NM> I tried just stripping the sender header (assuming that would > NM> cause a drop back to From: headers as is implied in the FAQ > NM> etc), and managed to completely break list posting :-( > > I don't understand this part. Where did you strip the Sender: header? > Look at IncomingMessages.GetSender() in Mailman/Message.py. It > definitely falls back to using From: if Sender: doesn't exist. > > NM> So I guess that Mailman, to be safe, should check the sender > NM> address more carefully - specifically if it is not qualified > NM> then it should discard it and use the From: or envelope (maybe > NM> Return-Path:) address in its place. > > Mailman /could/ have some cascading algorithm for authenticating an > email address (i.e. authenticate Sender -> From -> Reply-to -> > Envelope Sender). That's a big change to the current situation, so > I'm not going to do this for the 1.0 release. Mailman currently only > authenticates the first address it finds and if that fails then the > message gets held. > > However, if your ISP is inserting an unqualified Sender: address into > outgoing mail it is broken. You say fixing this is not really an > option, though I don't understand why that is (it what way does it > impact many other people's systems?). If that's really the case I > don't know what you can really do. > > -Barry > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Tony Abbott tabbott at intekom.co.za Systems Administrator, Intekom Tel: +27-11-266-7800 http://www.intekom.co.za Fax: +27-11-315-0707 The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This information may be subject to attorney and client or other privilege. It must not be disclosed to any person without Intekom's permission. From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu Mon Jul 19 12:14:13 1999 From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 05:14:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands In-Reply-To: <14226.11827.990653.813892@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> from "Barry A. Warsaw" at Jul 18, 99 03:42:43 pm Message-ID: <199907191014.FAA12622@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 2405 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990719/371465be/attachment.asc From peter.slot at trendmicro.dk Mon Jul 19 16:01:59 1999 From: peter.slot at trendmicro.dk (Peter Jacob Slot) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:01:59 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to clear pending admin requests. Message-ID: <37932FD7.567131D0@ld.dk> Hi, I have a test site running mailman. Someone has send a large Email (with very large attachement) As I have setup, this posting is send to the administrator. ---- Pending posts: From: morten.thomsen at ld.dk on Tue Jun 29 18:36:21 1999: Cause: 'Message body too long (>100k)' --- My problem is that I am not able to remove this message because it will cause the (small) server into high load/memory use caused by python. After some time the browser get's a timeout and the load on the server disappears. Is there a way of manually removing these postings? Best regards, Peter J Slot L&D/TopNordic A/S From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk Mon Jul 19 16:13:16 1999 From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:13:16 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] not able to clear pending admin requests. In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Jacob Slot of "Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:01:59 +0200." <37932FD7.567131D0@ld.dk> Message-ID: This actually addresses a problem I have and a more general issue with the admin interface. It would be better for me if mailman did not pass me the whole message in the admin web page - the page gets huge if there are a number of these messages, and I appear to only be able to deal with one at a time. This means I can spend ages dealing with these things if I am on a low bandwidth link. Ideally the interface would give me a list of messages with basic information about them - sender, date, subject, why held etc. I would be able to select any or all of them for approval/rejection and then click the submit button and have them all fired off at once. A link on each message description would allow me to inspect a single message in more detail - basically giving the current interface but limited to a single message. There may be related race conditions with doing this if there is more than one admin. [actually there may be already and they may be as easy to fix with this method as the current] Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From bknotts at europa.com Mon Jul 19 17:57:04 1999 From: bknotts at europa.com (Brian Knotts) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone problem Message-ID: I have mailman up and running for the most part, but am bothered by one little problem. I thought maybe it was unique to me, until I noticed the same problem after subscribing to the mailman-users mailing list. The problem is the Date: header. It seems to be incorrect in mail that is sent out by Mailman. Here is the Date: header I received in the 'Welcome to "Mailman-Users"' mail: Date: Mon Jul 19 11:45:43 1999 No time zone is specified, so my mailer (XFMail) assumes UTC, and sorts it accordingly. elm also sorts it the same way. I'm sure this can be fixed relatively easily, but, sad to say, Python is not the language with which I am most familiar, to say the least. :-) Can anyone suggest a small patch for this? I would imagine that would be all it would take. TIA. --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Knotts bknotts at europa.com From bknotts at europa.com Mon Jul 19 17:59:34 1999 From: bknotts at europa.com (Brian Knotts) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone problem Message-ID: I have mailman up and running for the most part, but am bothered by one little problem. I thought maybe it was unique to me, until I noticed the same problem after subscribing to the mailman-users mailing list. The problem is the Date: header. It seems to be incorrect in mail that is sent out by Mailman. Here is the Date: header I received in the 'Welcome to "Mailman-Users"' mail: Date: Mon Jul 19 11:45:43 1999 No time zone is specified, so my mailer (XFMail) assumes UTC, and sorts it accordingly. elm also sorts it the same way. I'm sure this can be fixed relatively easily, but, sad to say, Python is not the language with which I am most familiar, to say the least. :-) Can anyone suggest a small patch for this? I would imagine that would be all it would take. TIA. --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Knotts bknotts at europa.com From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk Mon Jul 19 18:12:45 1999 From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:12:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone problem In-Reply-To: Message from Brian Knotts of "Mon, 19 Jul 1999 08:59:34 PDT." Message-ID: [don't quite have the bits to build a patch right now...] If you find the line near the bottom of Message.py which has:- def SetDate(self, date=time.ctime(time.time())): and modify it to something like:- def SetDate(self, date=time.strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z", time.localtime(time.time()))): [which has probably wrapped on mail send :-( ] BTW the %z might be a GNU library special - not sure what other strftimes have. Also if you use gmtime rather than localtime you may see some very odd behaviour - at least I do during the first hour after midnight each day during DST. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From bknotts at europa.com Mon Jul 19 18:30:57 1999 From: bknotts at europa.com (Brian Knotts) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 09:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19-Jul-99 Nigel Metheringham wrote: > If you find the line near the bottom of Message.py which has:- > > def SetDate(self, date=time.ctime(time.time())): > > and modify it to something like:- > > def SetDate(self, date=time.strftime("%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z", time.localtime(time.time()))): Yes. That fixed it. Thanks much! I had actually tried hacking that line previously, but I didn't have the syntax right (not surprising, since I don't really know Python...). --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brian Knotts bknotts at europa.com From bora at employees.org Mon Jul 19 19:47:24 1999 From: bora at employees.org (Matthew Kaing) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 10:47:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail Configuration? Message-ID: <000901bed20e$c2376d20$ab2444ab@mkaing-nt.cisco.com> Hi, I am trying to setup mailman (www.list.org) with Qmail (www.qmail.org). For those of you who have successfully configure them to work together, can you please provide me some guidelines or provide any recommendation on using mailman with Qmail. Also how well do they work together and how scalelable and reliable is it? Much appreicate your help, Matthew Bora Kaing From marielladigiacomo at netscape.net Mon Jul 19 23:24:54 1999 From: marielladigiacomo at netscape.net (Mariella Di Giacomo) Date: 19 Jul 99 14:24:54 MST Subject: [Mailman-Users] os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') Message-ID: <19990719212454.3710.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Hello, I've installed the mailman-1.0rc3 and as suggested on the INSTALL file I'm running the ~/bin/check_perms script. Unfortunately at a certain point the script looks for checking perms on /home/mailman/data/adm.pw and this file doesn't exist and I get os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') Is data/adm.pw compulsory ? If yes, where can I get it ? What does it contain ? Thanks Mariella ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From u.wisser at luna-park.de Mon Jul 19 23:28:35 1999 From: u.wisser at luna-park.de (Ulrich Wisser) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:28:35 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] internationalization Message-ID: <37939883.A5BA30E@luna-park.de> Hello, I installed mailman succesfully on my Linux system. I got my mailinglist technically working but now comes the hard part. All pages must be in the sites layout and everything must be in German. I found the templates which can easily be translated but I didn't get a clue on how to make any appear in German. Did anybody already "port" mailman to German language? Thanks Ulli -- ----------------- Die Website Effizienzer ------------------ luna-park Bravo Sanchez, Vollmert, Wisser GbR Ulrich Wisser Tel +49-228-9654055 Alter Schlachthof, Immenburgstr. 20 Fax +49-228-9654057 D-53121 Bonn http://www.luna-park.de ------------------------------------------------------------ From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 20 00:05:47 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Timezone problem References: Message-ID: <14227.41275.350887.892974@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nigel Metheringham writes: NM> BTW the %z might be a GNU library special - not sure what NM> other strftimes have. Also if you use gmtime rather than NM> localtime you may see some very odd behaviour - at least I do NM> during the first hour after midnight each day during DST. Sorry, we can't use %z because it isn't on every system (Linux has it, but Solaris does not, though it has the less useful %Z). We calculate that field, but why should Mailman be adding a Date: header anyway? Won't most (all?) MTAs insert the proper Date: header anyway if one isn't present? Below isn't exactly the patch that I'd like to apply, but it has the same effect. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Index: Message.py =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Message.py,v retrieving revision 1.22 diff -c -r1.22 Message.py *** Message.py 1999/07/01 12:26:51 1.22 --- Message.py 1999/07/19 22:04:54 *************** *** 230,236 **** self.SetHeader('from', sender) def SetDate(self, date=time.ctime(time.time())): ! self.SetHeader('date', date) def GetSender(self): return self.sender --- 230,237 ---- self.SetHeader('from', sender) def SetDate(self, date=time.ctime(time.time())): ! ## self.SetHeader('date', date) ! pass def GetSender(self): return self.sender From jarrell at vt.edu Tue Jul 20 00:17:31 1999 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:17:31 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] masquerading? Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990719181558.00b829c0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> I'm using mailman with lists on virtual hosts... The web and inbound work fine. But when you set the hostname in the web page, isn't that support to masquerade outbound, or did I misunderstand it's use? All my lists are coming from listname at realhostname... I could swear this worked when I tested it. From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu Tue Jul 20 00:50:48 1999 From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:50:48 +0200 (METDST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] masquerading? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990719181558.00b829c0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Ron Jarrell wrote: > I'm using mailman with lists on virtual hosts... The web and inbound work fine. > But when you set the hostname in the web page, isn't that support to masquerade > outbound, or did I misunderstand it's use? All my lists are coming from > listname at realhostname... I could swear this worked when I tested it. Make sure you don't use CNAMEs for your virtualhosts. CNAMEs and SMTP dont like each other very much... -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo at caesar.elte.hu gorgo at linux.rulez.org Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/ From jarrell at vt.edu Tue Jul 20 01:00:13 1999 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:00:13 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] masquerading? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19990719181558.00b829c0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990719185758.00b82620@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> At 12:50 AM 7/20/99 +0200, Gergely Madarasz wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Ron Jarrell wrote: > > > I'm using mailman with lists on virtual hosts... The web and inbound work fine. > > But when you set the hostname in the web page, isn't that support to masquerade > > outbound, or did I misunderstand it's use? All my lists are coming from > > listname at realhostname... I could swear this worked when I tested it. > >Make sure you don't use CNAMEs for your virtualhosts. CNAMEs and SMTP >dont like each other very much... Duh. I could swat myself, I really could... I caught this about 2 minutes before your note arrived. I knew that, and have bunches that *are* A records for just that reason. In fact, I *tested* with one. But these new lists are on hostnames that were originally just going to be web virtual hosts, and got set up as CNAMEs, and later, when mailing lists got added, I completely forgot that that's how they were set up. Feh... Thanks. From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 20 01:10:44 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') References: <19990719212454.3710.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <14227.45172.935334.920795@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> | Is data/adm.pw compulsory ? If yes, | where can I get it ? | What does it contain ? The CVS tree[1] has a better (read: working) version of check_perms with this fixed. data/adm.py is generated when you run mmsitepass, although it is not required that you do this. If you can't get check_perms out of CVS, let me know and I'll send it to you. -Barry [1] http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-checkins From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 20 01:32:11 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands References: <14226.11827.990653.813892@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <199907191014.FAA12622@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <14227.46459.45907.629784@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Thanks for the reference! -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 20 01:42:42 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] sender/envelope addresses esp with mailed commands References: <14226.11827.990653.813892@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <3792F22D.739CBF94@intekom.com> Message-ID: <14227.47090.936165.130771@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TA" == Tony Abbott writes: TA> Nigel is having the same problem I had - the Sender: header TA> exists, but is unqualified. This is the way that Netscape TA> Communicator (at least the Unix version) generates the header TA> and as such is something we have to deal with. I worked around TA> this by modifying GetSender to use Reply-to: if available or TA> else From: M.A. Lemburg was having the same problem, and actually found a workaround for the Netscape bug. This, or something very similar, will be included in a README.NETSCAPE file for the next release. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Mailman - The GNU Mailing List Management System Copyright (C) 1998, 1999 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA Some of your users may experience problems sending mail to a members-only list, if they are using Netscape Communicator as their MUA. Communicator 4.6 on Linux has been observed to insert bogus unqualified Sender: headers -- i.e. Sender: headers with only the username part of the email address. Other version of Netscape may also have the same bug. Members-only lists use Sender: as the first field to authenticate against, so if Sender: exists in the email message, but it is unqualified, it will never match a mailing list member's address, and their post will always be held for approval. In the future, Mailman will improve its algorithm for finding a matching address, but in the meantime, M. A. Lemburg provides the following advice. You can send this snippet to any user whose posts are being held for seemingly no reason. Edit the two .js files in your .netscape directory (liprefs.js and preferences.js) to include the function call: user_pref("mail.suppress_sender_header", true); BTW, the binary includes a comment which says that this is only necessary on Unix. Since Communicator regenerates this file upon exit, the change must be done when Communicator is not currently running. With the next start, it will stop adding the Sender: header and things start to work like a charm again. The reason things start to work again, is that Mailman falls back to authenticating the From: header if the Sender: header is missing. From marielladigiacomo at netscape.net Tue Jul 20 02:26:03 1999 From: marielladigiacomo at netscape.net (Mariella Di Giacomo) Date: 19 Jul 99 17:26:03 MST Subject: [Mailman-Users] (no subject) Message-ID: <19990720002603.18446.qmail@wwcst088.netaddress.usa.net> Hello, I've installed and followed all the instructions on the INSTALL file. I added some instruction lines on /etc/aliases to enable a "test" mailing list. # test: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" test-admin: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" test-request: "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" owner-test: test-admin test-owner: test-admin # I'm running sendmail on a Linux (Red Hat) 2.3.2 #4 SMP Fri May 28 14:30:21 MDT 1999 I sent the first email to test at machine_name (from the Web form) and I got an email back for the confirmation. When I tried to send an email for confirmation to the same mailing list I got this message from the "Mail Delivery Subsystem" Returned mail: Service unavailable ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" ----- Transcript of session follows ----- sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test"... Service unavailable Does it mean that I need to use a different mail server (not sendmail ?) or there something else that I don't know. Why was the first email message fine and the second wrong ? Both use the same program, with different options. Can you help me, please ? Thanks. Regards, Mariella ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From smackme at hardwaregroup.com Tue Jul 20 03:52:38 1999 From: smackme at hardwaregroup.com (Jim Edwards) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:52:38 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] can I buy a clue? Message-ID: <4.1.19990719215035.03cd9450@mail.hardwaregroup.com> Does anybody have any ideas? Subject: Cron /usr/bin/python /usr/local/mailman/cron/gate_news >From body of mesage... Exception exceptions.ValueError: 'unpack list of wrong size' in ignored Jim Edwards smackme at hardwaregroup.com http://hardwaregroup.org From csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu Tue Jul 20 03:56:58 1999 From: csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu (Soren Dayton) Date: 19 Jul 1999 20:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does ~mailman _REALLY_ need to be (2)775? Message-ID: Because I stash sendmail aliases in ~mailman/aliases, I _don't_ have the mailman directory (2)775. But all the relevant places (that is, everything _BUT_ ~mailman/aliases). Is there some reason that the configure script _HAS TO_ bomb out on me (and I have to change the permissions, and sendmail has to log to hell and back for 3 minutes, etc.) Thanks Soren From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 20 05:18:55 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] does ~mailman _REALLY_ need to be (2)775? References: Message-ID: <14227.60063.691467.686714@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "SD" == Soren Dayton writes: SD> Because I stash sendmail aliases in ~mailman/aliases, I SD> _don't_ have the mailman directory (2)775. But all the SD> relevant places (that is, everything _BUT_ ~mailman/aliases). SD> Is there some reason that the configure script _HAS TO_ bomb SD> out on me (and I have to change the permissions, and sendmail SD> has to log to hell and back for 3 minutes, etc.) Hi Soren, I'm not sure exactly which permission bits you're objecting to (is it the set-gid bit?) but once the initial install of the subdirs happens, nothing else gets written into ~mailman. The configure script is anal about the perms on ~mailman because without this, it was too easy for the install to get screwed. At least on Solaris (not sure about Linux), group ownership on subdirs is only inherited from the parent dir if the set-gid bit is set. And before check_perms there was no way to easily fix this problem if your install was broken. I think we're justified in making the configure script do the check because it greatly increases the chances that less experienced people will get the install correct. You're experienced enough to figure out several ways of working around this inconvenience. -Barry From ricardo at miss-janet.com Tue Jul 20 07:27:16 1999 From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:27:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] does ~mailman _REALLY_ need to be (2)775? In-Reply-To: <14227.60063.691467.686714@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: On 20-Jul-99 Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > I think we're justified in making the configure script do the check > because it greatly increases the chances that less experienced people > will get the install correct. You're experienced enough to figure out > several ways of working around this inconvenience. well can i say that some of us experienced people really appricate the permission checks anyway? :) Ricardo. From David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 12:24:23 1999 From: David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk (David Osborne) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List owner address on Web pages Message-ID: <4274.932466263@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> I'm evaluating Mailman as a replacement for Majordomo, which we currently use for over 370 lists totalling over 12,000 subscribers. It looks good so far! A few questions: 1: I notice that the footers of the Web pages relating to the test list I set up say "Test list run by realusername at my.list.host". Since the list setup creates aliases of listname-owner and listname-admin, I'd think it would be better to say "Test list run by Test-admin at my.list.host". That conceals the list-admin's real address and raises awareness among users that they should use the alias to contact a human responsible for the list, which is useful if the list-admin role is assumed by someone else. Can this change be made? 2: Are there conversion tools to easily import a Majordomo list into Mailman, together with any existing archives it may have? 3: Only a few of our lists currently have archives; with Mailman, I can see that archives may be more popular. Is there a way of limiting how much space the archives take up, perhaps by automatically removing those over a certain age? thanks David -- David Osborne david.osborne at nottingham.ac.uk Academic Computing Services phone/voicemail: +44 (0)115 951 3397 The University of Nottingham fax: +44 (0)115 951 3358 Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~cczdao/ From peter.slot at ld.dk Tue Jul 20 12:29:08 1999 From: peter.slot at ld.dk (Peter Jacob Slot) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:29:08 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Format of config.db Message-ID: <37944F74.EAB38B94@ld.dk> Hi, I am trying to remove manually some large pending mails. It seems that these mails are included in $prefix/lists/listname/config.db My questions: - What is the format of this database file? - What is the best way of editing this file? - Is there a document describing the general file structure of mailman + archiver? Best regards, Peter J Slot L&D/TopNordic A/S From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Jul 20 16:53:59 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] does ~mailman _REALLY_ need to be (2)775? References: <14227.60063.691467.686714@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <14228.36231.405822.631161@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "RK" == Ricardo Kustner writes: RK> well can i say that some of us experienced people really RK> appricate the permission checks anyway? :) Absolutely! Thanks :) From David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 17:40:30 1999 From: David.Osborne at nottingham.ac.uk (David Osborne) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:40:30 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] List owner address on Web pages In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:24:23 BST." <4274.932466263@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5707.932485230@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> I've found the answers for a couple of my questions since posting them... > 1: I notice that the footers of the Web pages relating to the test list I set > up say "Test list run by realusername at my.list.host". Since the list setup > creates aliases of listname-owner and listname-admin, I'd think it would be > better to say "Test list run by Test-admin at my.list.host". I found the setting for this in the list's admin Web page and changed it from the default which I'd let it use. > 3: Only a few of our lists currently have archives; with Mailman, I can see > that archives may be more popular. Is there a way of limiting how much space > the archives take up, perhaps by automatically removing those over a certain > age? Discarding messages from an archive is covered as item 8 in the FAQ. Sorry for posting before reading more carefully. I'd still like to know the answer to my other question: Are there conversion tools to easily import a Majordomo list into Mailman, together with any existing archives it may have? thanks David From marielladigiacomo at netscape.net Tue Jul 20 18:12:39 1999 From: marielladigiacomo at netscape.net (Mariella Di Giacomo) Date: 20 Jul 99 09:12:39 MST Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin commands Message-ID: <19990720161239.15970.qmail@www0w.netaddress.usa.net> Hi, I would like to have a better understanding of all commands that are in the mailman/bin directory. Can you help me, please, in find a documentation for them ? Regards, Mariella ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From dcinege at psychosis.com Tue Jul 20 19:04:51 1999 From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: We're sorry, we hit a bug!] Message-ID: <3794AC33.AF5AF280@psychosis.com> > > PS I received the follow error message when I tried to list > my other subscriptions... I hope this helps you... > > Bug in Mailman version 1.0rc2 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of > this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what > happened. Thanks! > > Traceback: > > Traceback (innermost last): > File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py", line 132, in main > list.ConfirmUserPassword(user, form['othersubspw'].value) > File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 138, in > ConfirmUserPassword > raise Errors.MMBadUserError > MMBadUserError > > Environment variables: > > Variable > Value > DOCUMENT_ROOT > /home/www/linux-router > UNIQUE_ID > N5R1ghgDhTAAAA5DI8Q > HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING > gzip > REMOTE_HOST > host-209-214-88-22.atl.bellsouth.net > CONTENT_TYPE > application/x-www-form-urlencoded > PATH_TRANSLATED > > /home/www/linux-router/linux-router/kd4nc at bellsouth.net > REMOTE_ADDR > 209.214.88.22 > GATEWAY_INTERFACE > CGI/1.1 > SERVER_PROTOCOL > HTTP/1.0 > HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE > en > REMOTE_PORT > 4991 > SERVER_PORT > 80 > HTTP_CONNECTION > Keep-Alive > HTTP_USER_AGENT > Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win98; I) > HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET > iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 > HTTP_ACCEPT > image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, > image/pjpeg, image/png, */* > REQUEST_URI > > /mailman/handle_opts/linux-router/kd4nc at bellsouth.net > PATH > /bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin > QUERY_STRING > SCRIPT_FILENAME > /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/handle_opts > CONTENT_LENGTH > 163 > HTTP_HOST > www.linuxrouter.org > REQUEST_METHOD > POST > SERVER_SIGNATURE > SCRIPT_NAME > /mailman/handle_opts > SERVER_ADMIN > webmaster at psychosis.com > SERVER_SOFTWARE > Apache/1.3.3 Ben-SSL/1.27 (Unix) Debian/GNU > PHP/3.0.5 > PYTHONPATH > /var/lib/mailman > PATH_INFO > /linux-router/kd4nc at bellsouth.net > HTTP_REFERER > > http://www.linuxrouter.org/mailman/subscribe/linux-router > SERVER_NAME > www.linuxrouter.org -- http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Linux Router Project Considering the country's population, of 230 million people, the U.S. government agencies maintain an average of 15 files on every man, woman, and child in this country. From csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu Tue Jul 20 19:08:36 1999 From: csdayton at cs.uchicago.edu (Soren Dayton) Date: 20 Jul 1999 12:08:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] does ~mailman _REALLY_ need to be (2)775? In-Reply-To: "Barry A. Warsaw"'s message of "Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:18:55 -0400 (EDT)" References: <14227.60063.691467.686714@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: "Barry A. Warsaw" writes: > >>>>> "SD" == Soren Dayton writes: > > SD> Because I stash sendmail aliases in ~mailman/aliases, I > SD> _don't_ have the mailman directory (2)775. But all the > SD> relevant places (that is, everything _BUT_ ~mailman/aliases). > > SD> Is there some reason that the configure script _HAS TO_ bomb > SD> out on me (and I have to change the permissions, and sendmail > SD> has to log to hell and back for 3 minutes, etc.) > > Hi Soren, > > I'm not sure exactly which permission bits you're objecting to (is it > the set-gid bit?) but once the initial install of the subdirs happens, > nothing else gets written into ~mailman. My question is about the second 7. Does the mailman directory really need to be group writable? Clearly all of its subdirectories do, but that is unrelated. Soren From widmaster at yahoo.com Tue Jul 20 19:10:55 1999 From: widmaster at yahoo.com (Romain GRIFFITHS) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] I'd like to group all the mailing list in a single digested daily letter Message-ID: <19990720171055.21492.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> I'd like to send a newsletter for my customers. So i decided to try mailman with a read_only mailing list. But i'd like my customer to be able to choose between several mailing list about different subjects and send them a single mail once a day with the content of all the mailling list they had subscribed. I hope this question hasn't been answered yet because i didn't seek to the end of the mailman-users archive. Thanks by advance _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tgm at math.uni-bonn.de Tue Jul 20 20:19:00 1999 From: tgm at math.uni-bonn.de (Thomas Ackermann) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:19:00 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding members via scripts ... Message-ID: <19990720201900.17402@devel.math.uni-bonn.de> Hi! Does anyone know how to add members to a list via Shell or Python Scripts? I generate User-Lists from our system-database sorted by membership in some groups and need to add those lists of emails to several mailing-lists *automatically* ... (With listserv, i just appended the files to the list of members - I know that the Web-based UI allows for Mass-Subscriptions, but i need to be able to add from running scripts) Thanx in advance for any help and Byebye, -- Thomas Ackermann | Tel. +49-(0)228/631369|73-7773 | finger tgm at rhein.math.uni-bonn.de for public key GNU LINUX Python gtk pygtk MySQL FUDGE GURPS From dcinege at psychosis.com Tue Jul 20 20:44:00 1999 From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:44:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Strip 'return receipt' Message-ID: <3794C36F.4239AF02@psychosis.com> Not only is a request for return reciept post annoying, it is also a way to fish for mailing list members. I feel proper action should be to strip this line from the header and pass on the post. I have already added disposition-notification-to: .* To my 'hold headers' regex, but would prefer the above. -- http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Linux Router Project "Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could." William F. Buckley, Jr From claw at varesearch.com Tue Jul 20 20:58:59 1999 From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:58:59 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Strip 'return receipt' In-Reply-To: Message from Dave Cinege of "Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:44:00 EDT." <3794C36F.4239AF02@psychosis.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:44:00 -0400 Dave Cinege wrote: > Not only is a request for return reciept post annoying, it is also > a way to fish for mailing list members. > I feel proper action should be to strip this line from the header > and pass on the post. > I have already added disposition-notification-to: .* To my 'hold > headers' regex, but would prefer the above. Resoundingly seconded. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ... From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu Tue Jul 20 21:04:52 1999 From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:04:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Adding members via scripts ... In-Reply-To: <19990720201900.17402@devel.math.uni-bonn.de> from "Thomas Ackermann" at Jul 20, 99 08:19:00 pm Message-ID: <199907201904.OAA05474@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990720/cff31508/attachment.pot From tbryan at server.python.net Wed Jul 21 03:08:46 1999 From: tbryan at server.python.net (Tom Bryan) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Strip 'return receipt' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:44:00 -0400 > Dave Cinege wrote: > > > Not only is a request for return reciept post annoying, it is also > > a way to fish for mailing list members. > > > I feel proper action should be to strip this line from the header > > and pass on the post. > > > I have already added disposition-notification-to: .* To my 'hold > > headers' regex, but would prefer the above. > > Resoundingly seconded. I agree! From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 21 03:55:16 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Format of config.db References: <37944F74.EAB38B94@ld.dk> Message-ID: <14229.10372.957247.953245@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "PJS" == Peter Jacob Slot writes: | I am trying to remove manually some large pending mails. | It seems that these mails are included in | $prefix/lists/listname/config.db PJS> My questions: - What is the format of this database file? It is a Python marshal containing a Python dictionary. PJS> What is the best way of editing this file? Hmm. You could use bin/withlist. Lock the mailing list, edit its attributes and save it back to disk. PJS> Is there a PJS> document describing the general file structure of mailman + PJS> archiver? Nope! :) -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 21 03:56:24 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] bin commands References: <19990720161239.15970.qmail@www0w.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <14229.10440.209904.916728@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "MDG" == Mariella Di Giacomo writes: MDG> I would like to have a better understanding of all MDG> commands that are in the mailman/bin directory. MDG> Can you help me, please, in find a documentation MDG> for them ? Best thing to look at is the docstrings for each script. Most respond to the -h/--help switch. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 21 04:23:44 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] does ~mailman _REALLY_ need to be (2)775? References: <14227.60063.691467.686714@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <14229.12080.902231.950068@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "SD" == Soren Dayton writes: SD> My question is about the second 7. Does the mailman directory SD> really need to be group writable? Probably not. How does this patch work for you? -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- === cd /home/bwarsaw/projects/mailman/ === /depot/gnu/plat/bin/cvs diff -u configure configure.in Index: configure =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/configure,v retrieving revision 1.36 diff -u -r1.36 configure --- configure 1999/07/12 20:35:19 1.36 +++ configure 1999/07/21 02:07:00 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ #! /bin/sh -# From configure.in Revision: 1.37 +# From configure.in Revision: 1.38 # Guess values for system-dependent variables and create Makefiles. # Generated automatically using autoconf version 2.13 @@ -1175,9 +1175,9 @@ problems.append("Directory must be owned by group mailman: " + prefix) if (mode & S_ISGID) <> S_ISGID: problems.append("Set-gid bit must be set for directory: " +prefix) - perms = S_IRWXU | S_IRWXG | S_IROTH | S_IXOTH + perms = S_IRWXU | S_IRGRP | S_IXGRP | S_IROTH | S_IXOTH if (mode & perms) <> perms: - problems.append("Permissions should be at least 0775: " + prefix) + problems.append("Permissions should be at least 02755: " + prefix) if not problems: msg = "okay\n" else: Index: configure.in =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/configure.in,v retrieving revision 1.38 diff -u -r1.38 configure.in --- configure.in 1999/07/12 20:35:19 1.38 +++ configure.in 1999/07/21 02:06:57 @@ -221,9 +221,9 @@ problems.append("Directory must be owned by group mailman: " + prefix) if (mode & S_ISGID) <> S_ISGID: problems.append("Set-gid bit must be set for directory: " +prefix) - perms = S_IRWXU | S_IRWXG | S_IROTH | S_IXOTH + perms = S_IRWXU | S_IRGRP | S_IXGRP | S_IROTH | S_IXOTH if (mode & perms) <> perms: - problems.append("Permissions should be at least 0775: " + prefix) + problems.append("Permissions should be at least 02755: " + prefix) if not problems: msg = "okay\n" else: === Exit status: 1 From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 21 04:37:55 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Strip 'return receipt' References: <3794C36F.4239AF02@psychosis.com> Message-ID: <14229.12931.68212.499810@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "DC" == Dave Cinege writes: DC> Not only is a request for return reciept post annoying, it is DC> also a way to fish for mailing list members. DC> I feel proper action should be to strip this line from the DC> header and pass on the post. How does this patch work for you? -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Index: Deliverer.py =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Mailman/Deliverer.py,v retrieving revision 1.59 diff -c -r1.59 Deliverer.py *** Deliverer.py 1999/05/04 14:10:10 1.59 --- Deliverer.py 1999/07/21 02:34:12 *************** *** 142,147 **** --- 142,150 ---- if self.reply_goes_to_list: del msg['reply-to'] msg.headers.append('Reply-To: %s\n' % self.GetListEmail()) + # these can be used to surreptitiously gather membership info + del msg['return-receipt-to'] + del msg['disposition-notification-to'] # get rid of duplicate fields del msg['sender'] del msg['errors-to'] From dcinege at psychosis.com Wed Jul 21 04:58:07 1999 From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:58:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Feature Request: Strip 'return receipt' References: <3794C36F.4239AF02@psychosis.com> <14229.12931.68212.499810@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <3795373F.8AB87898@psychosis.com> "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > DC> I feel proper action should be to strip this line from the > DC> header and pass on the post. > > How does this patch work for you? Seems to work ok! -- http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Linux Router Project The Declaration of Independence is a historic document acknowledging the inherent freedom all men possess by their birth alone. Now 230 years later, if you grow the plant used to make the paper it was written on you can be put to death. Is this progress? From tsai at wombat.eng.fsu.edu Wed Jul 21 17:33:55 1999 From: tsai at wombat.eng.fsu.edu (Jack Tsai) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] install mailman error message Message-ID: I found error message when installing mailman. Please help. >Here is the messge when I did ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mailman: > >wombat:/usr/local/src/mailman-1.0rc3> ./configure >--prefix=/usr/local/mailman >loading cache ./config.cache >checking for --with-python... >checking for python... (cached) /usr/local/bin/python >checking Python interpreter... /usr/local/bin/python >checking for a BSD compatible install... (cached) /usr/local/bin/ginstall >-c >checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... (cached) yes >checking for true... (cached) /bin/true >checking for --without-gcc... no >checking for gcc... (cached) gcc >checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... yes >checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) is a cross-compiler... no >checking whether we are using GNU C... (cached) yes >checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes >checking whether #! works in shell scripts... (cached) yes >checking for mailman UID... Built-in exception class not found: >EnvironmentError. Library mismatch? >Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions >mailman >checking for mailman GID... Built-in exception class not found: >EnvironmentError. Library mismatch? >Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions >100 >checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... Built-in exception class not >found: EnvironmentError. Library mismatch? >Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions >okay >checking for mail wrapper GID... (cached) Built-in exception class not >found: EnvironmentError. Library mismatch? >Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions >1 >checking for CGI wrapper GID... (cached) Built-in exception class not >found: EnvironmentError. Library mismatch? >Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions >60001 >checking for CGI extensions... no >Built-in exception class not found: EnvironmentError. Library mismatch? >Warning! Falling back to string-based exceptions >checking for default fully qualified host name... wombat >checking for default URL host component... wombat >checking for strerror... (cached) yes >checking for setregid... (cached) yes >checking for syslog... (cached) yes >checking how to run the C preprocessor... (cached) gcc -E >checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes >checking for syslog.h... (cached) yes >checking for uid_t in sys/types.h... (cached) yes >checking type of array argument to getgroups... (cached) gid_t >creating ./config.status >creating misc/paths.py >creating Mailman/Defaults.py >creating Mailman/mm_cfg.py.dist >creating src/Makefile >creating misc/Makefile >creating bin/Makefile >creating Mailman/Makefile >creating Mailman/Cgi/Makefile >creating Mailman/Logging/Makefile >creating Mailman/Archiver/Makefile >creating Mailman/pythonlib/Makefile >creating mail/Makefile >creating templates/Makefile >creating cron/Makefile >creating filters/Makefile >creating scripts/Makefile >creating cron/crontab.in >creating Makefile > From brett at artelsoft.com Wed Jul 21 17:41:42 1999 From: brett at artelsoft.com (Brett Dikeman) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:41:42 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Macintosh IE 4.5, cookie decoding problem status? Message-ID: Saw this mentioned in the archives, but no solution was posted. I'm running mailman-1.0rc3, and I can't do -squat- from IE 4.5 because mailman can't decode the cookies. The cookie is there, it has some data in it, it's enabled, I don't have any proxies, etc. Is this in the process of being fixed, fixed already, or what? It's a major problem if it can't be administered from any browser, particularly one of the most popular Macintosh browsers. In my application, if it won't work on IE 4.5, I can't use it...period. Brett ---- Brett Dikeman Network/System Administrator Artel Software 617-451-9900x119 381 Congress Street 617-451-9916(fax) Boston, MA 02210 brett at artelsoft.com http://www.borisfx.com PGP public key available at http://blitz.artelsoft.com/pgpkey From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 21 18:17:04 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] install mailman error message References: Message-ID: <14229.62080.137264.999088@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JT" == Jack Tsai writes: JT> I found error message when installing mailman. JT> Please help. I think your version of Python is not installed properly. What happens when you invoke the Python interpreter from the command line? E.g.: % python Python 1.5.2 (#7, Apr 16 1999, 18:24:22) [GCC 2.8.1] on sunos5 Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam >>> From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 18:40:43 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:40:43 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin pages vs. Navigator 3 no good ? Message-ID: <4.1.19990721173707.00bcd720@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi, I have one of my list-owners trying to manage his list via the web-pages, and he's finding that with Navigator 3.01 (16-bit), nothing seems to be changed when he hits the "Submit changes" button. He's unable to subscribe any users for example. I've duplicated this problem on a different system also running Navigator 3. If this a known problem ? Is there a patch ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andy McClements | mailto: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Network Administrator | http: it.linst.ac.uk The London Institute HEC | phone: 0171 514 6051 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From jeff at look.net Wed Jul 21 22:03:26 1999 From: jeff at look.net (Jeff Barger) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:03:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question Message-ID: Hi all, Just wondering, what are the biggest lists that anyone is running though mailman? I've got a non-profit group I'm getting ready to set a list up for and their current sub list is approx. 100,000 but with pretty light traffic (2-3 messages/day). No archiving or anything, just message delivery. Should mailman handle this ok or am I asking for trouble? -Jeff From dcinege at psychosis.com Wed Jul 21 22:21:44 1999 From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:21:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question References: Message-ID: <37962BD8.1FFC872A@psychosis.com> Jeff Barger wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just wondering, what are the biggest lists that anyone is running > though mailman? I've got a non-profit group I'm getting ready to set > a list up for and their current sub list is approx. 100,000 but with > pretty light traffic (2-3 messages/day). No archiving or anything, > just message delivery. Should mailman handle this ok or am I asking > for trouble? The issue is not with mailman but with your MTA and internet pipe. 300K peices of mail a day is starting to get 'up there'. I would not even play around with sendmail. Go right to exim, qmail, or zmailer. Exim set to queue all mail and then running the queue once a day (or every few days) will cause all mail to get delivered to a destination in a single batch, but this may not be the desired effect if you need speedy delivery. I've never used it, but according to it's debian package description, zmailer is bult for speed: Mailer for Extreme Performance Demands This is a package that implements an internet Message Transfer Agent called ZMailer. It is intended for gateways or mail servers or other large site environments that have extreme demands on the abilities of the mailer. It was motivated by the problems of the Sendmail design in such situations. ZMailer is one of the mailers able to deal with huge quantities of mail and is more efficient any other mailer, qmail included, mostly due to its excellent queueing algorithms. -- http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Linux Router Project Over 750,000 people are now in jail for consensual 'crimes'. 2 million more are now on parole or probation. 4 million more will be arrested this year. Would someone please remind how 'free' America is again? From ricardo at miss-janet.com Wed Jul 21 22:55:55 1999 From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:55:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 21-Jul-99 Jeff Barger wrote: > Just wondering, what are the biggest lists that anyone is running > though mailman? I've got a non-profit group I'm getting ready to set > a list up for and their current sub list is approx. 100,000 but with > pretty light traffic (2-3 messages/day). No archiving or anything, > just message delivery. Should mailman handle this ok or am I asking > for trouble? well personally i'm not satisfied yet with mailman's performance in my setup ... but that's also because it's just a P100 with 64mb and the server has some other work to do too plus we're moderating the list, which sometimes means we send 10 or more message at the same time to all the subscribers... at those moments the load on the machine grows terribly high and sometimes it even makes my fastcgi scripts die :( Anyway, maybe you have to test it first... or maybe other people have better reallife experience with many users? python.org? Ricardo. -- From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 21 23:18:59 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Macintosh IE 4.5, cookie decoding problem status? References: Message-ID: <14230.14659.57461.100743@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "BD" == Brett Dikeman writes: BD> Saw this mentioned in the archives, but no solution was BD> posted. I'm running mailman-1.0rc3, and I can't do -squat- BD> from IE 4.5 because mailman can't decode the cookies. The BD> cookie is there, it has some data in it, it's enabled, I don't BD> have any proxies, etc. BD> Is this in the process of being fixed, fixed already, or what? BD> It's a major problem if it can't be administered from any BD> browser, particularly one of the most popular Macintosh BD> browsers. In my application, if it won't work on IE 4.5, I BD> can't use it...period. If it's caused by the same problem as IE 4.06 on Windows, then yes, the workaround has been checked into the CVS tree for the next release. -Barry From dcinege at psychosis.com Wed Jul 21 23:28:01 1999 From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question References: Message-ID: <37963B61.87F185E5@psychosis.com> Ricardo Kustner wrote: > > Anyway, maybe you have to test it first... or maybe other people have > better reallife experience with many users? python.org? FYI I have 900 users on one list (which generates 99% of my email traffic) 200 on another, and about 200 more on some very low traffic lists. The server avg's 30K (100MB) messages a day, peaking around 50K. The machine is a celeron 300A, with 256MB, SCSI drives, Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 (2.2 kernel), and exim MTA. This box is also my primary FTP, HTTP, and everything else server. (Including one remote X11 user that runs netscape!) Performance is very good in general, and good for the mailing lists. Some enhanced queue options in exim would make it better. Mailman does not seem to be a bottle kneck. More system config reports of larger setups welcome. -- http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Linux Router Project The Declaration of Independence is a historic document acknowledging the inherent freedom all men possess by their birth alone. Now 230 years later, if you grow the plant used to make the paper it was written on you can be put to death. Is this progress? From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 21 23:42:36 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question References: Message-ID: <14230.16076.759625.351555@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "RK" == Ricardo Kustner writes: RK> well personally i'm not satisfied yet with mailman's RK> performance in my setup ... but that's also because it's just RK> a P100 with 64mb and the server has some other work to do too RK> plus we're moderating the list, which sometimes means we send RK> 10 or more message at the same time to all the RK> subscribers... at those moments the load on the machine grows RK> terribly high and sometimes it even makes my fastcgi scripts RK> die :( Anyway, maybe you have to test it first... or maybe RK> other people have better reallife experience with many users? RK> python.org? On python.org we have over 50 lists, the largest (in terms of membership) is jpython-interest with 748 members. In total we've got 5740 subscribers. I don't have numbers on msg rates, but something like python-list must be pretty high traffic. I believe the biggest performance bottlenecks are still in the archiver. I've fixed one really glaring problem, but I know that more lurk in the code. Unfortunately I won't be able to fix any such archiver problems before the 1.0 release. My suggestion for high traffic sites would be 1) shut off incremental updating of the indexes, or 2) switch to a 3rd party external archiver. For #1, you'd still save the messages in a file, but you'd run the indexer say nightly. Take a look at ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX. For #2, you'd want to look at MHonArc or Hypermail. I have no personal experience with either approach, but I will probably look at doing #2 for python.org sometime in the near future. My personal interest in improving the bundled Pipermail archiver is pretty low, as is Andrew Kuchling (Pipermail's author), but if anybody wants to donate fixes to it, they will be gladly accepted! -Barry From cgriffiths at enterprise.quansoo.com Wed Jul 21 20:17:57 1999 From: cgriffiths at enterprise.quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:17:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question Message-ID: Below is what I got when I sent to my test list. I am using sendmail 8.9.1 on freebsd 3.2 with mailman-1.0rc3. Any suggestions?? I have looked through the email archive with no such luck althought it has been a long day and I am tired. Thanks in advance. Christopher T. Griffiths Senior Network/Systems Administrator Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 >From MAILER-DAEMON at .MISSING-HOST-NAME. Wed Jul 21 18:13:26 1999 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: postmaster Subject: Postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 2 The original message was received at Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT from localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test" (expanded from: test-admin) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error 2 [ Part 2: "Delivery Status" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; enterprise.quansoo.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT Final-Recipient: RFC822; test-admin at enterprise.quansoo.com X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test at enterprise.quansoo.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT [ Part 3: "Included Message" ] Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: test-admin Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 2 The original message was received at Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT >from cgriffiths at localhost ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test"... unknown mailer error 2 [ Part 3.2: "Delivery Status" ] Reporting-MTA: dns; enterprise.quansoo.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT Final-Recipient: RFC822; X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test at enterprise.quansoo.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:12:52 GMT [ Part 3.3: "Included Message" ] From tgm at math.uni-bonn.de Thu Jul 22 00:30:56 1999 From: tgm at math.uni-bonn.de (Thomas Ackermann) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:30:56 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Exception in OngoingQueue.py Message-ID: <19990722003056.20699@devel.math.uni-bonn.de> Hi! Anybody ever got such an exception? --------------------------------------snip------------------------------------ From: root (Cron Daemon) To: mailman Subject: Cron /usr/local/bin/python +/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/cron/run_queue", line 31, in ? OutgoingQueue.processQueue() File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 121, in processQueue Utils.TrySMTPDelivery(recip,sender,text,full_fname) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 217, in TrySMTPDelivery OutgoingQueue.dequeueMessage(queue_entry) File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OutgoingQueue.py", line 179, in +dequeueMessage os.unlink(q_entry) os.error: (2, 'No such file or directory') --------------------------------------snip------------------------------------ Just in case someone already made this experience ... Byebye, -- Thomas Ackermann | Tel. +49-(0)228/631369|73-7773 | finger tgm at rhein.math.uni-bonn.de for public key GNU LINUX Python gtk pygtk MySQL FUDGE GURPS From claw at varesearch.com Thu Jul 22 00:40:01 1999 From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:40:01 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question In-Reply-To: Message from Jeff Barger of "Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:03:26 EDT." Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:03:26 -0400 Jeff Barger wrote: > Hi all, Just wondering, what are the biggest lists that anyone is > running though mailman? I've got a non-profit group I'm getting > ready to set a list up for and their current sub list is > approx. 100,000 but with pretty light traffic (2-3 > messages/day). No archiving or anything, just message > delivery. Should mailman handle this ok or am I asking for > trouble? While I haven't gone that big, I've gotten close. Your biggest concern is going to be tuning the MTA that MailMan delivers to, not MailMan itself. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Linux/IA64 - Work: claw at varesearch.com ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ... From dcinege at psychosis.com Thu Jul 22 00:54:22 1999 From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question References: <14230.16076.759625.351555@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <37964F9E.E3BA96C0@psychosis.com> "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > > you'd want to look at MHonArc or Hypermail. Hypermail (when I used it) was crap! I use MHonArc now, and like it's frames output. I have archives here: http://www.linuxrouter.org/listarch/ > I have no personal experience with either approach, but I will > probably look at doing #2 for python.org sometime in the near future. I use it like this: linux-router: linux-router-archive, "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post linux-router" linux-router-archive: "|/usr/bin/mhonarc -add -outdir /home/www/listarch/linux-router/current -rcfile /home/www/listarch/linux-router/frames.rc -definevars "MAIN-TITLE='Linux Router Mail Archive'"" This archives post before filtering, but this prevents list header and footer additions. And alternative would be to just subscribe linux-router-archive at linuxrouter.org to the list. If you'd like my auto monthly (or weekly) rotation cron script just ask. FYI listarch/ is what I originally started with back several years ago. In apache config I created a /pipermail/ -> /listarch/ alias so the mailman pages are happy. -- http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Linux Router Project Over 750,000 people are now in jail for consensual 'crimes'. 2 million more are now on parole or probation. 4 million more will be arrested this year. Would someone please remind how 'free' America is again? From petrilli at amber.org Thu Jul 22 02:53:25 1999 From: petrilli at amber.org (Christopher Petrilli) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Performance question In-Reply-To: ; from J C Lawrence on Wed, Jul 21, 1999 at 03:40:01PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <19990721205325.A10109@amber.org> On Wed, Jul 21, 1999 at 03:40:01PM -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:03:26 -0400 > Jeff Barger wrote: > > > Hi all, Just wondering, what are the biggest lists that anyone is > > running though mailman? I've got a non-profit group I'm getting > > ready to set a list up for and their current sub list is > > approx. 100,000 but with pretty light traffic (2-3 > > messages/day). No archiving or anything, just message > > delivery. Should mailman handle this ok or am I asking for > > trouble? > > While I haven't gone that big, I've gotten close. Your biggest > concern is going to be tuning the MTA that MailMan delivers to, not > MailMan itself. For what it's worth, I'd use Postfix (http://www.postfix.org). It blows sendmail away,and I personally think it's more trustworthy than anything else (given it's written by Wietse Venema @ IBM). I'm currently doing 350K mails/day on a K6/200 with nearly zero load. SMTP is the best way to pump mail into Postfix, it's optimized for that, not command line pipes. Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli ``Television is bubble-gum for | petrilli at amber.org the mind.''-Frank Lloyd Wright From sen_ml at eccosys.com Thu Jul 22 02:59:59 1999 From: sen_ml at eccosys.com (sen_ml at eccosys.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:59:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Performance question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:21:44 -0400" <37962BD8.1FFC872A@psychosis.com> References: <37962BD8.1FFC872A@psychosis.com> Message-ID: <19990722095959E.1001@eccosys.com> At around Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:21:44 -0400, Dave Cinege may have mentioned: > I would not even play around with sendmail. Go right to exim, qmail, or > zmailer. as much as i dislike sendmail, i think if you use something like smtpfeed w/ it, it has comparable performance to qmail and zmailer. i saw this talk last month where someone was comparing various smtpds and there was this graph: http://quena.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~motonori/fof9906/sld007.htm unfortunately, i think you will find it rather hard to read because the graph is too small :-( (the talk was also not in english so looking at the other slides may not be very helpful) that said, imho, if someone hasn't had much experience w/ any particular smtpd, i would definitely not recommend starting off w/ sendmail :-) just my $.02 From christopher at schulte.org Thu Jul 22 03:08:22 1999 From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:08:22 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990721195838.00b36a90@pop.schulte.org> At 06:17 PM 7/21/99 +0000, you wrote: >Below is what I got when I sent to my test list. > >I am using sendmail 8.9.1 on freebsd 3.2 with mailman-1.0rc3. > >Any suggestions?? I have looked through the email archive with no such >luck althought it has been a long day and I am tired. > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error 2 This looks to me like you did not configure the wrapper with the correct mail gid. From the INSTALL: "--with-mail-gid= Specify an alternative group for running scripts via the mail wrapper. can be a list of one or more integer group ids or symbolic group names. The first value in the list that resolves to an existing group is used. By default, the value is the list `other daemon'. This is highly system dependent and you must get this right, because the group id is compiled into the mail wrapper program for added security. On systems using sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser" option. (If commented out, it still may be indicating the default...)" Take a look at the sendmail.cf and look for "DefaultUser" and compile accordingly. If nothing is specified, you need to know how sendmail operates for the default. I got this explanation from Darren Henderson about 2 months ago: "Sendmail's algorithm for picking the default user is to take the first existing user of mailnull, sendmail, or daemon. If none of those are found it defaults to 1:1. FreeBSD does have a daemon user (uid 1) and a deamon group (gid 1), but for some reason its primary group is set to 31 instead of 1 (so default user 1:31 was being used by sendmail). For some reason that was a problem for mailman. So, I forced it to 1:1. And no, I haven't noticed any difficulties because of this." -- NAME: Christopher Schulte LOVE: techno crap, pizza SITE: http://www.schulte.org/ MAIL: christopher at schulte.org "Six o clock in the morning, my head is ready to explode. I can't believe I made it home alive. I don't remember where I went, or what I was drinking..." --Stabbing Westward Darkest Days From Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk Thu Jul 22 13:30:45 1999 From: Nigel.Metheringham at vdata.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:30:45 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 8 bit headers causing bounces... Message-ID: I currently have one subscriber on the list whose From: line contains a load of 8 bit data. This goes through my MTA and mailman quite happily, but is being bounced by a number of other remote mailers. I am talking to the subscriber concerned, however I am a tad concerned that this has the potential to be a bigger problem. Howabout a denial of service attack - I send a pile of messages of this type to the list, which get bounced by various MTAs and cause the recipients behind the picky MTAs to be unsubscribed.... Should mailman be looking at tampering with the basic headers to make them more acceptable to all MTAs? For example should mailman convert all 8 bit chars in From/To/Reply-To/Subject etc to be QP encoded? Or should these mails be identifiable by mailman and held for moderating - in which case the list owner needs a way of fixing them up. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham at VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ] From a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 15:37:33 1999 From: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk (Andy McClements) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:37:33 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin pages not working via Navigator 3 Message-ID: <4.1.19990722142920.00b95eb0@post.linst.ac.uk> Hi All, I'm getting desperate for fix for this one, if anyone has ANY ideas, please let me know. I created a list in the same manner I've used to create six or seven previously which are all working as expected. The moderator of this new list is using Navigator3 16-bit, and finds that; 1. Every access to one of the admin pages results in the authentication page. 2. Any attempt to "Submit Changes" results in the authentication page, AND the changes are not made. If I perform the same actions, using the same password, using Communicator, all works as expected. Therefore I suspect something about the interaction between Mailman and Navigator 3. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Andy McClements | mailto: a.mcclements at linst.ac.uk Network Administrator | http: it.linst.ac.uk The London Institute HEC | phone: 0171 514 6051 ----------------------------------------------------------------- From listadm at metaphor.unh.edu Thu Jul 22 16:05:12 1999 From: listadm at metaphor.unh.edu (The List Server Administrator at UNH) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus detection and filtering. Message-ID: I just discovered that one of our lists was used to distribute a worm called Win32/Ska.A (A.K.A. Happy99.exe). This got me thinking, has anyone plugged in any type of virus detection software into the pipe to their server to try and stop such files being distributed via your lists? Cordially, The List Server Admin list.admin at unh.edu (currently Bill Costa) From james at perforce.com Thu Jul 22 16:25:13 1999 From: james at perforce.com (James Strickland) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990721195838.00b36a90@pop.schulte.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Christopher Schulte wrote: > At 06:17 PM 7/21/99 +0000, you wrote: > >Below is what I got when I sent to my test list. > > > >I am using sendmail 8.9.1 on freebsd 3.2 with mailman-1.0rc3. > > > >Any suggestions?? I have looked through the email archive with no such > >luck althought it has been a long day and I am tired. > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > >554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error 2 > > This looks to me like you did not configure the wrapper with the correct > mail gid. Maybe. Maybe he's encountering the same yet-to-be-debugged problem I'm encountering (see my email of the Monday before last). To prove which id sendmail is using I added an alias gidtest: "|/usr/bin/id >/tmp/gidtest" then sent mail to gidtest. The result was: % cat /tmp/gidtest uid=1(daemon) gid=1(daemon) groups=1(daemon) This matches the default used in the install, plus I even tried reinstalling with --mail-gid=1 explicitly. Still no luck. If you think this test doesn't prove what I think it proves, please let me know. Alas, I have been too busy to try to debug what's going on with Mailman. FYI, I have successfully installed and am using Mailman 1.0b6 on another machine which is almost identical (FreeBSD, sendmail, Apache). Hence I am perplexed (and frustrated) by the refusal of something somewhere to just plain work. :-) Note that at the time I installed Mailman the machine was running FreeBSD 2.2.something - this time I'm installing it on a FreeBSD 3.0 machine. Maybe there's something in that.. Hopefully by the time I get some time to look at it again, 1.0 will be out. :-) -- James Strickland Perforce Software From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Thu Jul 22 12:39:36 1999 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:39:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually the last post for changing the DefaultUser to daemon worked. Thanks for the help. Chris On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, James Strickland wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Christopher Schulte wrote: > > > At 06:17 PM 7/21/99 +0000, you wrote: > > >Below is what I got when I sent to my test list. > > > > > >I am using sendmail 8.9.1 on freebsd 3.2 with mailman-1.0rc3. > > > > > >Any suggestions?? I have looked through the email archive with no such > > >luck althought it has been a long day and I am tired. > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > >554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown mailer error 2 > > > > This looks to me like you did not configure the wrapper with the correct > > mail gid. > > Maybe. Maybe he's encountering the same yet-to-be-debugged problem I'm > encountering (see my email of the Monday before last). To prove which id > sendmail is using I added an alias > > gidtest: "|/usr/bin/id >/tmp/gidtest" > > then sent mail to gidtest. The result was: > > % cat /tmp/gidtest > uid=1(daemon) gid=1(daemon) groups=1(daemon) > > This matches the default used in the install, plus I even tried > reinstalling with --mail-gid=1 explicitly. Still no luck. > > If you think this test doesn't prove what I think it proves, please let me > know. Alas, I have been too busy to try to debug what's going on with > Mailman. FYI, I have successfully installed and am using Mailman 1.0b6 on > another machine which is almost identical (FreeBSD, sendmail, Apache). > Hence I am perplexed (and frustrated) by the refusal of something > somewhere to just plain work. :-) Note that at the time I installed > Mailman the machine was running FreeBSD 2.2.something - this time I'm > installing it on a FreeBSD 3.0 machine. Maybe there's something in that.. > > Hopefully by the time I get some time to look at it again, 1.0 will be > out. :-) > > -- > James Strickland > Perforce Software > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Christopher T. Griffiths Senior Network/Systems Administrator Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From nbecker at fred.net Thu Jul 22 17:24:30 1999 From: nbecker at fred.net (nbecker at fred.net) Date: 22 Jul 1999 11:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus detection and filtering. In-Reply-To: The List Server Administrator's message of "Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:05:12 -0400 (EDT)" References: Message-ID: If you really want it, put it in the MTA. From ricardo at miss-janet.com Thu Jul 22 19:59:27 1999 From: ricardo at miss-janet.com (Ricardo Kustner) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:59:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin pages not working via Navigator 3 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990722142920.00b95eb0@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: On 22-Jul-99 Andy McClements wrote: > 1. Every access to one of the admin pages results in the authentication page. > 2. Any attempt to "Submit Changes" results in the authentication page, AND > the changes are not made. i bet the admin user's system clock is running too much off...so cookies expire immediately... maybe this should be added to the FAQ (if it's not there already? :) ) Ricardo. -- From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Jul 22 20:26:45 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus detection and filtering. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, The List Server Administrator at UNH wrote: > I just discovered that one of our lists was used to distribute a worm > called Win32/Ska.A (A.K.A. Happy99.exe). This got me thinking, has > anyone plugged in any type of virus detection software into the > pipe to their server to try and stop such files being distributed > via your lists? That should be done at the individual server level. It should NOT be done at the mailing list software level. Get real. -- _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.net * http://www.deirdre.net Indeed, when I design my killer language, the identifiers "foo" and "bar" will be reserved words, never used, and not even mentioned in the reference manual. Any program using one will simply dump core without comment. Multitudes will rejoice. -- Tim Peters From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Jul 22 20:43:31 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin pages not working via Navigator 3 References: <4.1.19990722142920.00b95eb0@post.linst.ac.uk> Message-ID: <14231.26195.265183.184069@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "AM" == Andy McClements writes: AM> If I perform the same actions, using the same password, using AM> Communicator, all works as expected. Therefore I suspect AM> something about the interaction between Mailman and Navigator AM> 3. Someone mentioned the system clock. It's also possible that NS3 suffers from the same cookie bug that MSIE4 had. Try the CVS snapshop and see if that solves your problem. -Barry From webmaster at rapidtraffic.com Thu Jul 22 23:43:16 1999 From: webmaster at rapidtraffic.com (Patrick Wagner) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:43:16 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubles being sent by MailMan. Message-ID: <199907220453.EAA14532@ns.rapidtraffic.com> We tested our newsletter out and the program sent everyone two copies? Where can I modify this or what is the problem? Patrick Wagner From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Jul 22 20:45:49 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question References: <4.2.0.58.19990721195838.00b36a90@pop.schulte.org> Message-ID: <14231.26333.128908.580520@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JS" == James Strickland writes: JS> This matches the default used in the install, plus I even JS> tried reinstalling with --mail-gid=1 explicitly. Still no JS> luck. I hope that's a typo, and you really meant --with-mail-gid=1 ! -Barry From james at perforce.com Thu Jul 22 21:02:10 1999 From: james at perforce.com (James Strickland) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question In-Reply-To: <14231.26333.128908.580520@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "JS" == James Strickland writes: > > JS> This matches the default used in the install, plus I even > JS> tried reinstalling with --mail-gid=1 explicitly. Still no > JS> luck. > > I hope that's a typo, and you really meant --with-mail-gid=1 ! It's a typo (or braino, whatever - I meant whatever it's supposed to be) -- James Strickland Perforce Software From webmaster at rapidtraffic.com Fri Jul 23 00:07:25 1999 From: webmaster at rapidtraffic.com (Patrick Wagner) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:07:25 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosted listservers? How do you do it? Message-ID: <199907220517.FAA14640@ns.rapidtraffic.com> We are running a red hat 6.0 and we want to be able to host domains and then service each domain with there own listserver. What is the best way to set this up? Patrick Wagner From listadm at metaphor.unh.edu Thu Jul 22 21:39:42 1999 From: listadm at metaphor.unh.edu (The List Server Administrator at UNH) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus detection and filtering. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Deirdre Saoirse recently wrote (in part) to my question regarding virus detection... > That should be done at the individual server level. It should NOT be done > at the mailing list software level. Get real. I was thinking of something simple that goes in between the MTA and the MLM rather than having to muck with either. Cordially, The List Server Admin list.admin at unh.edu (currently Bill Costa) From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 23 00:11:52 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question References: Message-ID: <14231.38696.603249.890738@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "CTG" == Christopher T Griffiths >>>>> writes: CTG> Below is what I got when I sent to my test list. CTG> I am using sendmail 8.9.1 on freebsd 3.2 with mailman-1.0rc3. CTG> Any suggestions?? I have looked through the email archive CTG> with no such luck althought it has been a long day and I am CTG> tired. CTG> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 CTG> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner test"... unknown CTG> mailer error 2 You get an exit code of 2 from wrapper when your mailgid does not match. Read the documentation about the --with-mail-gid option to the configure script. -Barry From vit at lipetsk.ru Fri Jul 23 15:28:32 1999 From: vit at lipetsk.ru (Victor Gamov) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:28:32 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] pending subscription Message-ID: <37986E00.4596C484@lipetsk.ru> Hi! I'm newbie in mailman so I have question -- in $prefix/data/ I have pending-subscriptions.db file with some addresses for which subscription request was pending (error while talking with my smtpserver). Is it possible to send subscriptions email for this users again? -- CU, Victor Gamov From blurr at txraves.org Fri Jul 23 15:27:46 1999 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virus detection and filtering. References: Message-ID: <004b01bed512$56222b00$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> heres a mail virus scanner ... is this kinda what you were thinkin of? http://aachalon.de/AMaViS/ ------------------------- Jordan Phillips blurr at txraves.org http://www.txraves.org Black holes are where God divided by zero. From hamster at wibble.org Sat Jul 24 01:55:48 1999 From: hamster at wibble.org (hamster at wibble.org) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:55:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin pages not working via Navigator 3 In-Reply-To: from Ricardo Kustner at "Jul 22, 1999 07:59:27 pm" Message-ID: Ricardo Kustner wrote.... > On 22-Jul-99 Andy McClements wrote: > > 1. Every access to one of the admin pages results in the authentication page. > > 2. Any attempt to "Submit Changes" results in the authentication page, AND > > the changes are not made. > > i bet the admin user's system clock is running too much off...so > cookies expire immediately... I've had something similar reported to me, IE5 and NS4.6 both causing problems, lynx no problem and my local testing with NS4.51 no problem. I don't think it's a time problem with my user (very clued and needs an accurate clock for local security reasons). ideas? Mark -- The Flying Hamster Well not so much flying as sitting on the tube... All computers are evil, just remember that. -- Me. From igorl at life.uiuc.edu Sat Jul 24 01:43:39 1999 From: igorl at life.uiuc.edu (Igor S. Livshits) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:43:39 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Leading space problem? Message-ID: Hi, Somehow, newlist managed to create a list with a leading space in its name -- I am not exactly sure how this happened. As I tried to access said list via the web interface, a few things went awry which may have led to a large chunk of my Mailman files and directories getting erased. Unfortunately, I do not have the exact steps which led to the demolition. I just restored my Mailman hierarchy from backups. However, it would be nice if Mailman: 1. Checked for spaces in list names and made sure no such lists were ever created and/or 2. Properly translated spaces within URLs to %20 Thanks, igor From adler at ssadler.phy.bnl.gov Sun Jul 25 19:38:28 1999 From: adler at ssadler.phy.bnl.gov (Stephen Adler) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 17:38:28 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] open source/open science using mailman Message-ID: <990725173828.ZM23934@ssadler.phy.bnl.gov> To the Authors and maintainers of mailman. I want to thank you for providing such a nice mail list server software package. I've set it (1.0rc3) up on openscience.bnl.gov which is the main web server for the "Open Source/Open Science" conference, to be held at Brookhaven National Labs on Oct. 2nd. (wee http://openscience.bnl.gov for more details.) Mailman is now in use to manage the various mail list groups I've setup to help manage the conference. Once again, thanks. Of the mail list management software packages which I've used, (majordomo, and listproc) this is an order of magnitude improvment. With that said, there was one small installation problem I had. It has to do with running bin/check_perms. It failed because the file /home/mailman/data/adm.pw did not exist. There wasn't anything in the INSTALL file which said anything about it. So I did a thouch /home/mailman/data/adm.pw chmod 640 /home/mailman/data/adm.pw and that made bin/check_perms happy. Another bit. I'm running redhat 6.0 and I use the "adduser" command to create the mailman account. In doing so, redhat setups up the gnome and kde environtments. Here is a ls -la output on the mailman account [adler at ssadler mailman]$ ls -la total 34 drwxrwsr-x 20 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 25 13:18 ./ drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 1024 Jul 25 13:23 ../ -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 103 Jul 24 09:32 .Xauthority -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 1422 Jul 23 16:38 .Xdefaults -rw------- 1 mailman mailman 1481 Jul 24 09:57 .bash_history -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 24 Jul 23 16:38 .bash_logout -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 230 Jul 23 16:38 .bash_profile -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 124 Jul 23 16:38 .bashrc drwxr-xr-x 3 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:38 .kde/ -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 966 Jul 23 16:38 .kderc -rw-r--r-- 1 mailman mailman 3505 Jul 23 16:38 .screenrc drwx--S--- 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 25 13:18 .xauth/ drwxr-xr-x 5 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:38 Desktop/ drwxrwsr-x 6 mailman mailman 2048 Jul 23 17:22 Mailman/ drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 archives/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 bin/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 cgi-bin/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 cron/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 24 13:26 data/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 filters/ drwxrwsr-x 4 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 24 09:46 lists/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 25 13:12 locks/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 25 12:00 logs/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 mail/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 17:20 public_html/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 scripts/ drwxrwxr-x 3 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:39 src/ drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 1024 Jul 23 16:40 templates/ Notice the Descktop and .kde direstories amongst others. bin/check_perms will sift through all directories and thus complain about .kde, Desktop, src (the directory in which I did the build). I just ignored these errors, but maybe check_perms should only check the files and directories it cares about so that other non-essential directories can co-exist along with them. (i.e. .kde, Desktop, so on and so forth.) Finally, I looked in the redhat contrib site and I didn't find a mailman rpm. Are there any "out there?" If not, I will be glad to spend a couple of hours and write the .spec file needed to make them. Its the least I could do. Cheers. Steve. From John at list.org Sun Jul 25 20:38:13 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:38:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Doubles being sent by MailMan. In-Reply-To: <199907220453.EAA14532@ns.rapidtraffic.com>; from Patrick Wagner on Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 02:43:16PM -0700 References: <199907220453.EAA14532@ns.rapidtraffic.com> Message-ID: <19990725113813.F2366@viega.org> That isn't supposed to happen, of course. Can you give more information that might perhaps help people figure out what is going wrong for you? John On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 02:43:16PM -0700, Patrick Wagner wrote: > We tested our newsletter out and the program sent everyone two copies? > > Where can I modify this or what is the problem? > > Patrick Wagner > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From John at list.org Sun Jul 25 20:39:09 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Virtual hosted listservers? How do you do it? In-Reply-To: <199907220517.FAA14640@ns.rapidtraffic.com>; from Patrick Wagner on Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 03:07:25PM -0700 References: <199907220517.FAA14640@ns.rapidtraffic.com> Message-ID: <19990725113909.G2366@viega.org> On each list you can specify the virtual domain name to which you wish the list to be attached. On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 03:07:25PM -0700, Patrick Wagner wrote: > We are running a red hat 6.0 and we want to be able to host domains and > then service each domain with there own listserver. What is the best way > to set this up? > > Patrick Wagner > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From John at list.org Sun Jul 25 20:46:54 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:46:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Admin pages not working via Navigator 3 In-Reply-To: ; from hamster@wibble.org on Sat, Jul 24, 1999 at 12:55:48AM +0100 References: Message-ID: <19990725114654.J2366@viega.org> I'm not sure, but this sounds like a problem with cookies for which a fix was checked in, and so the problem should be fixed in the next release. John On Sat, Jul 24, 1999 at 12:55:48AM +0100, hamster at wibble.org wrote: > Ricardo Kustner wrote.... > > On 22-Jul-99 Andy McClements wrote: > > > 1. Every access to one of the admin pages results in the authentication page. > > > 2. Any attempt to "Submit Changes" results in the authentication page, AND > > > the changes are not made. > > > > i bet the admin user's system clock is running too much off...so > > cookies expire immediately... > > I've had something similar reported to me, IE5 and NS4.6 both causing > problems, lynx no problem and my local testing with NS4.51 no > problem. I don't think it's a time problem with my user (very clued > and needs an accurate clock for local security reasons). > > ideas? > > Mark > > -- > The Flying Hamster > Well not so much flying as sitting on the tube... > > All computers are evil, just remember that. -- Me. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From John at list.org Sun Jul 25 20:48:52 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 11:48:52 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] open source/open science using mailman In-Reply-To: <990725173828.ZM23934@ssadler.phy.bnl.gov>; from Stephen Adler on Sun, Jul 25, 1999 at 05:38:28PM +0000 References: <990725173828.ZM23934@ssadler.phy.bnl.gov> Message-ID: <19990725114852.K2366@viega.org> On Sun, Jul 25, 1999 at 05:38:28PM +0000, Stephen Adler wrote: > > Finally, I looked in the redhat contrib site and I didn't find a mailman > rpm. Are there any "out there?" If not, I will be glad to spend a couple > of hours and write the .spec file needed to make them. Its the least I > could do. I don't know of one. I think that there's a Debian package out there for it that may even ship with Debian, but I've never seen a Red Hat package for it. John From kevin at lumiere.net Mon Jul 26 08:50:26 1999 From: kevin at lumiere.net (Kevin Shrieve) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:50:26 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] directory structure options Message-ID: At my request someone installed mailman for me in the www.lumiere.net/lists/ directory (as opposed to the default "mailman" directory). I'd like to be able to have the listinfo page for my mailing list "test" be accessed at www.lumiere.net/lists/test/ as opposed to www.lumiere.net/lists/listinfo/test/ Is there one configuration area where that can be set, or would diverging from the default break other links? Thanks for any help. Kevin Shrieve kevin at lumiere.net From John at list.org Mon Jul 26 10:40:42 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:40:42 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] directory structure options In-Reply-To: ; from Kevin Shrieve on Sun, Jul 25, 1999 at 11:50:26PM -0700 References: Message-ID: <19990726014042.B6239@viega.org> This will work if you are willing to use "listinfo" instead of "lists". Switching to "listinfo" wouldn't be too hard, you'd just have to make sure you change every instance of "listinfo" to "list" in the dist, and then change the name of the binary. To get it to work in an abnormal directory, you're going to have to configure your web server to map the URL to the place where the CGI lives. John On Sun, Jul 25, 1999 at 11:50:26PM -0700, Kevin Shrieve wrote: > At my request someone installed mailman for me in the > www.lumiere.net/lists/ directory (as opposed to the default "mailman" > directory). > > I'd like to be able to have the listinfo page for my mailing list "test" be > accessed at > > www.lumiere.net/lists/test/ > > as opposed to > > www.lumiere.net/lists/listinfo/test/ > > Is there one configuration area where that can be set, or would diverging > from the default break other links? > > Thanks for any help. > > Kevin Shrieve > kevin at lumiere.net > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From rsr at inorganic.org Mon Jul 26 10:44:39 1999 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 01:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unmarshal config? In-Reply-To: <14226.13377.762725.785327@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > RR> I'm starting to see this message: > | TypeError: __add__ nor __radd__ defined for these operands > > It means your config.db file is corrupted. For that list, copy > config.db.last to config.db. What version of Mailman are you using? Thanks, that seemed to worked beautifully. I'm using 1.0rc2. -roy From u.wisser at luna-park.de Mon Jul 26 15:52:23 1999 From: u.wisser at luna-park.de (Ulrich Wisser) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:52:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman German Message-ID: <379C6817.1A9B08FA@luna-park.de> Hello, did I get that right? To get all messages in German I need to rewrite most of mailman programms? Did anybody already translate mailman to german? Thanks Ulli -- ----------------- Die Website Effizienzer ------------------ luna-park Bravo Sanchez, Vollmert, Wisser GbR Ulrich Wisser mailto:u.wisser at luna-park.de Alter Schlachthof, Immenburgstr. 20 Tel +49-228-9654055 D-53121 Bonn Fax +49-228-9654057 ------------------http://www.luna-park.de ------------------ From fraktal at gmx.de Mon Jul 26 16:32:00 1999 From: fraktal at gmx.de (Oliver Gassner) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:32:00 GMT Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman German In-Reply-To: <379C6817.1A9B08FA@luna-park.de> References: <379C6817.1A9B08FA@luna-park.de> Message-ID: <37aa713c.7600555@mail.gmx.net> Your (Ulrich Wisser ) mail on Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:52:23 +0200: >Hello, > >did I get that right? To get all messages in German I need to >rewrite most of mailman programms? >Did anybody already translate mailman to german? I trioed that question some weeks ago and got no satisfying answer ;( But maybe we can work together ;) OG -- Oft gefragt, hier beantwortet: -- Hamlet-Inhaltsangabe: Hamlet kann sich nicht entscheiden, den Mord an seinem Vater zu raechen. Interpretation: "Wie kann sich der [moderne] Mensch der Basis seiner Entscheidungen sicher sein?" - Mehr Antworten: http://www.carpe.com/lit/ From reichart at palmconsult.de Mon Jul 26 18:48:04 1999 From: reichart at palmconsult.de (PalmConsult Markus Reichart) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:48:04 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman German In-Reply-To: <37aa713c.7600555@mail.gmx.net> References: <379C6817.1A9B08FA@luna-park.de> <379C6817.1A9B08FA@luna-park.de> Message-ID: <4.1.19990726184253.02737e50@mail.palmconsult.de> At 14:32 26.07.99 +0000, Oliver Gassner wrote: >>Did anybody already translate mailman to german? >I trioed that question some weeks ago and got no satisfying answer ;( I've translated all non codefiles (*.txt *.html) for mailman Beta11 (Ziped 14KB). Waiting for the final release of MM to do the last test. Anyone interested in can send me an email.... bye Markus From martinez at ccuec.unicamp.br Mon Jul 26 20:17:13 1999 From: martinez at ccuec.unicamp.br (Claudio Martinez) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:17:13 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Can=B4t?= confirm a subscrible Message-ID: <379CA629.B3CB54DD@ccuec.unicamp.br> Hi there! I?m using Mailman under AIX, when i try to confirm a subscribe 4 a new user, i get the msg ->> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dicas-l" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dicas-l"... unknown mailer error 2 Anyone That know how do i sane this problem !? plz!? Tnkz! -- ====Cl?udio Martinez ================= CCUEC - UNICAMP - GDTEC Ger?ncia de Desenvolvimento T?cnologico tel. (019) 788-2287 ====================================== From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Mon Jul 26 16:41:00 1999 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:41:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent Message-ID: Has anyone had messages go into the archive but does not send any email? The only messages so far have been one's with attachments. All other work just fine. Any Ideas? Thanks Chris Christopher T. Griffiths Senior Network/Systems Administrator Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From vit at lipetsk.ru Tue Jul 27 09:48:49 1999 From: vit at lipetsk.ru (Victor Gamov) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:48:49 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman German References: <379C6817.1A9B08FA@luna-park.de> <37aa713c.7600555@mail.gmx.net> Message-ID: <379D6461.2CFA06A8@lipetsk.ru> Oliver Gassner wrote: > > Your (Ulrich Wisser ) mail on Mon, 26 Jul 1999 > 15:52:23 +0200: > > >Hello, > > > >did I get that right? To get all messages in German I need to > >rewrite most of mailman programms? > >Did anybody already translate mailman to german? > > I trioed that question some weeks ago and got no satisfying answer ;( > > But maybe we can work together ;) But why only German? May be it's possible to make multi-language support for mailman? -- CU, Victor Gamov From vit at lipetsk.ru Tue Jul 27 10:46:26 1999 From: vit at lipetsk.ru (Victor Gamov) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:46:26 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent Message-ID: <379D71E2.59845F67@lipetsk.ru> Yes, I have some problem with Mailman-1.0rc2 and rc3. Can anybody help me to resolve this problem? It's very impotant for me. -- CU, Victor Gamov From vit at lipetsk.ru Tue Jul 27 12:37:57 1999 From: vit at lipetsk.ru (Victor Gamov) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:37:57 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman smtp-failure. Please help! Message-ID: <379D8C05.C5F4E1C@lipetsk.ru> Hi! I have big problem with mailman-1.0rc2. Here is Mailman and ZMailer smtpserver logs: ~mailman/logs/smtp-failures: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jul 27 14:12:02 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['cons at chousing.lipetsk.su', 'root at prom.lipetsk.su']: Jul 27 14:12:02 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPServerDisconnected / Connection unexpectedly closed (dequeued) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ /var/log/zmailer/smtpserver: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 97634# connection from postman.lipetsk.ru ipcnt 2 ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE 97634w 220 postman.lipetsk.ru ZMailer Server 2.99.50-s11 #1 ESMTP+IDENT ready at Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:01:55 +0400 97634# remote from [195.34.224.68]:53516 97634r ehlo postman.lipetsk.ru 97634w 250-postman.lipetsk.ru Hello postman.lipetsk.ru 97634w 250-SIZE 20000000 97634w 250-8BITMIME 97634w 250-PIPELINING 97634w 250-CHUNKING 97634w 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 97634w 250-DSN 97634w 250-X-RCPTLIMIT 10000 97634w 250-ETRN 97634w 250 HELP 97634r mail FROM: size=543124 97634w 250 2.1.0 Sender syntax Ok 97634r rcpt TO: NOTIFY=failure 97634w 250 2.1.5 Ok; can accomodate 543124 byte message 97634r rcpt TO: NOTIFY=failure 97634w 250 2.1.5 Ok; can accomodate 543124 byte message 97634r data 97634w 354 Start mail input; end with . 97634- aborted (17459 bytes): SMTP protocol timed out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We use FreeBSD-3.2 with Mailman-1.0rc2 and ZMailer-2.99.50s11. Can anybody help me with this problem? P.S. This problem occured with mailman-1.0rc3 too. -- CU, Victor Gamov From js at zenit.de Tue Jul 27 17:10:34 1999 From: js at zenit.de (Joerg Stenger) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:10:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to disable -admin? Message-ID: <199907271440.QAA31676@www.zenit.de> I want to set up an announcement list and the mail sent from the admin's of the list should have only "listname at my.dom" in the "From:" line. Q1: how do I prevent anyone but the admin's from posting? Q2: how do prevent "listname-admin at my.dom" as sender? Thanks in advance, Joerg Stenger -- ZENIT GmbH Dipl.-Ing. Joerg Stenger Dohne 54 D-45468 Muelheim an der Ruhr, Germany Tel: ++49-208-30004-12 | Fax: ++49-208-30004-19 Checkout our homepage: http://www.zenit.de From lehmann at lsd.it Mon Jul 26 21:46:47 1999 From: lehmann at lsd.it (Massimiliano Lehmann) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:46:47 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? Message-ID: <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249> Hi all, how can I run a mailing list with a "close unsubscribe"? So, how can I configure mailman to stop any unsubscribe request and put them on hold to be approved by an administrator? Thanks in advance -- Massimiliano Lehmann +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | mailto:lehmann at lsd.it | LSD - [L]ehmann | | http://www.lsd.it (Personal web) | [S]ystem | | http://majjolone.lsd.it (Crazy web) | [D}evelopment | +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ From Len.Lattanzi at migration.com Wed Jul 28 04:24:32 1999 From: Len.Lattanzi at migration.com (Len Lattanzi) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 19:24:32 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone added logging to private.py? Message-ID: <19990727192432.A18716@mss.migration.com> I'd like to track successful reads of private archives. From gossamer at tertius.net.au Wed Jul 28 05:38:18 1999 From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:38:18 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Archives Message-ID: <19990728133818.A15067@tertius.net.au> I have two mailing lists that used to have archives, and now don't. I have gone into the admin and turned the archiving off there, but the "archive" link still showing up in the listinfo page for both lists. How do I completely remove all traces? The lusers are annoying me about it :( bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : The best portion of a good man's life is his little, nameless, : unremembered acts of kindness and of love. : -- William Wordsworth From dcinege at psychosis.com Wed Jul 28 05:42:01 1999 From: dcinege at psychosis.com (Dave Cinege) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:42:01 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Anyone added logging to private.py? References: <19990727192432.A18716@mss.migration.com> Message-ID: <379E7C09.2DEC7CB3@psychosis.com> Len Lattanzi wrote: > > I'd like to track successful reads of private archives. Your webserver logs them, no? -- http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Linux Router Project "Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could." William F. Buckley, Jr From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu Wed Jul 28 05:59:27 1999 From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:59:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Archives In-Reply-To: <19990728133818.A15067@tertius.net.au> from "Bek Oberin" at Jul 28, 99 01:38:18 pm Message-ID: <199907280359.WAA25784@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 523 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990727/ea7e14b9/attachment.asc From John at list.org Wed Jul 28 12:50:10 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:50:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249>; from Massimiliano Lehmann on Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 09:46:47PM +0200 References: <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249> Message-ID: <19990728035010.A25427@viega.org> Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting to do this. It'd need to be added to the system. John On Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 09:46:47PM +0200, Massimiliano Lehmann wrote: > Hi all, > > how can I run a mailing list with a "close unsubscribe"? > So, how can I configure mailman to stop any unsubscribe request and > put them on hold to be approved by an administrator? > > Thanks in advance > > -- > Massimiliano Lehmann > +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > | mailto:lehmann at lsd.it | LSD - [L]ehmann | > | http://www.lsd.it (Personal web) | [S]ystem | > | http://majjolone.lsd.it (Crazy web) | [D}evelopment | > +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From John at list.org Wed Jul 28 12:57:34 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:57:34 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to disable -admin? In-Reply-To: <199907271440.QAA31676@www.zenit.de>; from Joerg Stenger on Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 05:10:34PM +0200 References: <199907271440.QAA31676@www.zenit.de> Message-ID: <19990728035734.B25427@viega.org> Q1: There is an option on the admin pages to restrict posting rights to people in the list of emails you give it. Fill that in with the names of your admins. Q2: That's not a great idea, because a lot of mail you wouldn't expect will end up going back to the list (such as bounce messages from MTAs that don't support The errors-to header). The -admin prefix was carefully considered; you should think really hard before changing it. If you still want to change it, you'll have to hack the source. John On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 05:10:34PM +0200, Joerg Stenger wrote: > I want to set up an announcement list and the mail > sent from the admin's of the list should have only "listname at my.dom" > in the "From:" line. > > Q1: how do I prevent anyone but the admin's from posting? > Q2: how do prevent "listname-admin at my.dom" as sender? > > Thanks in advance, > Joerg Stenger > > -- > ZENIT GmbH > Dipl.-Ing. Joerg Stenger > Dohne 54 > D-45468 Muelheim an der Ruhr, Germany > Tel: ++49-208-30004-12 | Fax: ++49-208-30004-19 > Checkout our homepage: http://www.zenit.de > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From John at list.org Wed Jul 28 13:00:24 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 04:00:24 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Archives In-Reply-To: <19990728133818.A15067@tertius.net.au>; from Bek Oberin on Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 01:38:18PM +1000 References: <19990728133818.A15067@tertius.net.au> Message-ID: <19990728040024.D25427@viega.org> Unfortunately, you need to go to "Edit the HTML for the public list pages", and manually remove the link from each page. John On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 01:38:18PM +1000, Bek Oberin wrote: > > I have two mailing lists that used to have archives, and now don't. I > have gone into the admin and turned the archiving off there, but the > "archive" link still showing up in the listinfo page for both lists. > > How do I completely remove all traces? The lusers are annoying > me about it :( > > > bekj > > -- > : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- > : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ > : The best portion of a good man's life is his little, nameless, > : unremembered acts of kindness and of love. > : -- William Wordsworth > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From blurr at txraves.org Wed Jul 28 17:13:25 1999 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:13:25 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? References: <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249> <19990728035010.A25427@viega.org> Message-ID: <002f01bed90b$bf2da5a0$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> i've actually been wanting to do the same thing. i need to keep these users on the list so they can receive announcements regarding the accounts they have on my system. theres only been one instance of a user unsub'ing himself. but i quickly fixed that.. hehe ------------------------- Jordan Phillips blurr at txraves.org http://www.txraves.org Black holes are where God divided by zero. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Viega To: Massimiliano Lehmann ; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? > Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting to do > this. It'd need to be added to the system. > > John > > On Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 09:46:47PM +0200, Massimiliano Lehmann wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > how can I run a mailing list with a "close unsubscribe"? > > So, how can I configure mailman to stop any unsubscribe request and > > put them on hold to be approved by an administrator? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > -- > > Massimiliano Lehmann > > +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > > | mailto:lehmann at lsd.it | LSD - [L]ehmann | > > | http://www.lsd.it (Personal web) | [S]ystem | > > | http://majjolone.lsd.it (Crazy web) | [D}evelopment | > > +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From blurr at txraves.org Wed Jul 28 17:16:30 1999 From: blurr at txraves.org (blurr at txraves.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] How to disable -admin? References: <199907271440.QAA31676@www.zenit.de> <19990728035734.B25427@viega.org> Message-ID: <003501bed90c$2d85a200$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Viega Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to disable -admin? > Q1: There is an option on the admin pages to restrict posting rights > to people in the list of emails you give it. Fill that in with the > names of your admins. i also want to do this but cannot find the option you talked about. what section of the admin pages is it on? general? i'm running v1.0rc2. ------------------------- Jordan Phillips blurr at txraves.org http://www.txraves.org Black holes are where God divided by zero. > > On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 05:10:34PM +0200, Joerg Stenger wrote: > > I want to set up an announcement list and the mail > > sent from the admin's of the list should have only "listname at my.dom" > > in the "From:" line. > > > > Q1: how do I prevent anyone but the admin's from posting? > > Q2: how do prevent "listname-admin at my.dom" as sender? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Joerg Stenger > > > > -- > > ZENIT GmbH > > Dipl.-Ing. Joerg Stenger > > Dohne 54 > > D-45468 Muelheim an der Ruhr, Germany > > Tel: ++49-208-30004-12 | Fax: ++49-208-30004-19 > > Checkout our homepage: http://www.zenit.de > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From adler at ssadler.phy.bnl.gov Wed Jul 28 17:15:39 1999 From: adler at ssadler.phy.bnl.gov (Stephen Adler) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:15:39 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Odd things with mailman/listinfo Message-ID: <990728151539.ZM31919@ssadler.phy.bnl.gov> Today, I added a list on my openscience.bnl.gov site. After doing so, http://openscience.bnl.gov/mailman/listinfo showed no lists on the server. (I had 5 setup before this last one.) My guess is that some file protection got messed up? Can someone tell me how to get the listinfo to properly show the list open to the public? Thanks. Steve. From martinez at ccuec.unicamp.br Wed Jul 28 17:31:35 1999 From: martinez at ccuec.unicamp.br (Claudio Martinez) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:31:35 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknow Mailer error 2 Message-ID: <379F2257.54D62864@ccuec.unicamp.br> How do i fix this error !?! im syslog, i see someting like this : " Jul 28 11:20:40 mailman Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 6, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1?) " how do i change the GID !? Plz! n Tnkz! ====Cl?udio Martinez ================= CCUEC - UNICAMP - GDTEC Ger?ncia de Desenvolvimento T?cnologico tel. (019) 788-2287 ====================================== From igorl at life.uiuc.edu Wed Jul 28 17:36:28 1999 From: igorl at life.uiuc.edu (Igor S. Livshits) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:36:28 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dsiabled compression of archives? In-Reply-To: <003501bed90c$2d85a200$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> References: <199907271440.QAA31676@www.zenit.de> <19990728035734.B25427@viega.org> <003501bed90c$2d85a200$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> Message-ID: Hello, Is there a way to disable archive compression via a command line switch or configuration option? Also, are there searchable archives for this list? Thanks, igor From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 28 17:57:48 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Dsiabled compression of archives? References: <199907271440.QAA31676@www.zenit.de> <19990728035734.B25427@viega.org> <003501bed90c$2d85a200$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> Message-ID: <14239.10364.769641.219523@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "ISL" == Igor S Livshits writes: ISL> Also, are there searchable archives for this list? You can actually search all lists on python.org by visiting http://www.python.org/search -- turn on SIGs and turn off everything else. -Barry From claw at varesearch.com Wed Jul 28 18:24:50 1999 From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:24:50 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: Message from John Viega of "Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:50:10 PDT." <19990728035010.A25427@viega.org> Message-ID: At VA we have a number of mailing lists that are supposed to have everyone in a certain division/company/group subscribed. These lists are extremely useful for reaching all of a defined population. Controlled unsubscribes would be useful here. On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 03:50:10 -0700 John Viega wrote: > Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting to > do this. It'd need to be added to the system. > John > On Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 09:46:47PM +0200, Massimiliano Lehmann > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> how can I run a mailing list with a "close unsubscribe"? So, how >> can I configure mailman to stop any unsubscribe request and put >> them on hold to be approved by an administrator? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> -- Massimiliano Lehmann >> +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ >> | mailto:lehmann at lsd.it | LSD - [L]ehmann | | http://www.lsd.it >> (Personal web) | [S]ystem | | http://majjolone.lsd.it (Crazy web) >> | [D}evelopment | >> +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org >> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- J C Lawrence Life: http://www.kanga.nu/ Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ... From jdc at nterprise.net Wed Jul 28 19:12:12 1999 From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:12:12 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <19990728035010.A25427@viega.org>; from John Viega on Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 03:50:10AM -0700 References: <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249> <19990728035010.A25427@viega.org> Message-ID: <19990728111212.54019@denver.net> On Wednesday July 28, 1999, John Viega had this to say about "Re: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe?": > Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting to do > this. It'd need to be added to the system. > > John I do this with our "customer" and "outage" mailing lists...we don't want people unsubscribing themselves and then complaining that we didn't send them notification of a problem. Currently with mailman, the administrator receives all notifications of unsubs and just "invisibly" resubscribes them. -- John-David Childs (JC612) Enterprise Internet Solutions Systems Administration http://www.nterprise.net & Network Engineering 8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231 "All flesh is grass" -- Isiah Smoke a friend today. From jdc at nterprise.net Wed Jul 28 19:16:42 1999 From: jdc at nterprise.net (John-David Childs) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:16:42 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Restrict posting (was how to disable -admin) In-Reply-To: <003501bed90c$2d85a200$572fb0cc@netropolis.net>; from blurr@txraves.org on Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 10:16:30AM -0500 References: <199907271440.QAA31676@www.zenit.de> <19990728035734.B25427@viega.org> <003501bed90c$2d85a200$572fb0cc@netropolis.net> Message-ID: <19990728111642.41516@denver.net> On Wednesday July 28, 1999, blurr at txraves.org had this to say about "Re: [Mailman-Users] How to disable -admin?": > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Viega > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to disable -admin? > > > > Q1: There is an option on the admin pages to restrict posting rights > > to people in the list of emails you give it. Fill that in with the > > names of your admins. > > i also want to do this but cannot find the option you talked about. > what section of the admin pages is it on? general? > i'm running v1.0rc2. It's in the PRIVACY options page. Click YES to Postings must be approved by an administrator, Click YES to restrict posting privilege to list members, and then enter the name of your admins/unmoderated email addresses in the dialog box "Address of members accepted for posting...without implicit approval" > > ------------------------- > Jordan Phillips > blurr at txraves.org > http://www.txraves.org > > Black holes are where God divided by zero. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 1999 at 05:10:34PM +0200, Joerg Stenger wrote: > > > I want to set up an announcement list and the mail > > > sent from the admin's of the list should have only "listname at my.dom" > > > in the "From:" line. > > > > > > Q1: how do I prevent anyone but the admin's from posting? > > > Q2: how do prevent "listname-admin at my.dom" as sender? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Joerg Stenger > > > > > > -- > > > ZENIT GmbH > > > Dipl.-Ing. Joerg Stenger > > > Dohne 54 > > > D-45468 Muelheim an der Ruhr, Germany > > > Tel: ++49-208-30004-12 | Fax: ++49-208-30004-19 > > > Checkout our homepage: http://www.zenit.de > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- John-David Childs (JC612) Enterprise Internet Solutions Systems Administration http://www.nterprise.net & Network Engineering 8707 E. Florida Ave #814 Denver, CO 80231 "All flesh is grass" -- Isiah Smoke a friend today. From ckolar at admin.aurora.edu Wed Jul 28 19:24:47 1999 From: ckolar at admin.aurora.edu (Christopher Kolar) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 12:24:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <19990728111212.54019@denver.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, John-David Childs wrote: > On Wednesday July 28, 1999, John Viega > had this to say about "Re: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe?": > > > Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting to do > > this. It'd need to be added to the system. > > I do this with our "customer" and "outage" mailing lists...we don't want > people unsubscribing themselves and then complaining that we didn't send > them notification of a problem. Currently with mailman, the administrator > receives all notifications of unsubs and just "invisibly" resubscribes > them. Another vote for this feature. Our HR office uses it for staff announcements and our departments want this feature for official announcements that need to be delivered to students. --chris From pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA Wed Jul 28 20:04:01 1999 From: pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA (Todd Pfaff) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-1.0rc3, Solaris 2.5 and vsnprintf Message-ID: When building mailman-1.0rc3 on Solaris 2.5 or 2.5.1 I get a linker error about the unresolved name vsnprintf used in common.c. How are other people dealing with this problem? -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From christopher at schulte.org Wed Jul 28 21:22:40 1999 From: christopher at schulte.org (Christopher Schulte) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:22:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-1.0rc3, Solaris 2.5 and vsnprintf In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990728142024.00b51e50@pop.schulte.org> At 02:04 PM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >When building mailman-1.0rc3 on Solaris 2.5 or 2.5.1 I get a linker error >about the unresolved name vsnprintf used in common.c. > >How are other people dealing with this problem? From a message posted to the list this month... >From: "Barry A. Warsaw" >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:34:08 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problem. > >Grab the CVS snashop. It has a (little tested) implementation of >vsnprintf taken from GNU screen. > >-Barry Hope that helps. >-- >Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca >Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 >ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 >McMaster University \ >Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ -- NAME: Christopher Schulte LOVE: techno crap, pizza SITE: http://www.schulte.org/ MAIL: christopher at schulte.org "There is a place that still remains It eats the fear; it eats the pain" --Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails HALO 13 From pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA Wed Jul 28 21:43:35 1999 From: pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA (Todd Pfaff) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-1.0rc3, Solaris 2.5 and vsnprintf In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990728142024.00b51e50@pop.schulte.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. I downloaded the latest cvs and it worked fine. This brings up a good point though...if people would use a reasonable subject when posting to lists like this then it would be possible for someone to find the thread later by looking at the subject lines and not having to read through all the individual messages. I *did* look at the mailing lists archives from recent months on the web site, but I couldn't anything that was obviously related to the vsnprintf problem from the listed subjects in the archive. "Installation Problem." is a little too vague. On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Christopher Schulte wrote: > At 02:04 PM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > >When building mailman-1.0rc3 on Solaris 2.5 or 2.5.1 I get a linker error > >about the unresolved name vsnprintf used in common.c. > > > >How are other people dealing with this problem? > > From a message posted to the list this month... > > >From: "Barry A. Warsaw" > >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 12:34:08 -0400 (EDT) > >Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation Problem. > > > >Grab the CVS snashop. It has a (little tested) implementation of > >vsnprintf taken from GNU screen. > > > >-Barry > > Hope that helps. > > >-- > >Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca > >Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 > >ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 > >McMaster University \ > >Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ > > -- > NAME: Christopher Schulte > LOVE: techno crap, pizza > SITE: http://www.schulte.org/ > MAIL: christopher at schulte.org > > "There is a place that still remains > It eats the fear; it eats the pain" > --Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails HALO 13 > -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA Wed Jul 28 22:18:08 1999 From: pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA (Todd Pfaff) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases Message-ID: Wow! I'm impressed. Once past the initial hurdle of the vsnprintf problem and Solaris 2.5, I had mailman installed and working in less that an hour. Beautiful! In case this hasn't been discussed already, I have a suggestion for handling the mailman aliases. The INSTALL file says: - Add aliases for `mailman' and `owner-mailman' to the system's mail alias database. These aliases should point to whoever is ultimately responsible for the Mailman installation. Here are instructions for those running sendmail: 1. su to root. 2. Assuming your email is fred at flintstone.com, add the following lines to the file /etc/aliases: mailman: fred at flintstone.com mailman-owner: mailman 3. Some versions of sendmail require you to run the program 'newaliases' explicitly. I did this a little differently: 1) add to /etc/mail/sendmail.cf O AliasFile=/home/mailman/aliases 2) create the /home/mailman/aliases dbm files cd /home/mailman - edit aliases and add mailman and mailman-owner alias entries as above touch aliases.dir aliases.pag chown root aliases* chgrp mailman aliases* 3) run newaliases and restart sendmail When adding a new list: /home/mailman/bin/newlist list-name list-admin-address admin-password 1 >> /home/mailman/aliases then you just have to edit the aliases file to remove the extra junk output by newlist (but this could be suppressed when the immediate flag is used) and run newaliases. -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Jul 28 23:19:00 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-1.0rc3, Solaris 2.5 and vsnprintf References: Message-ID: <14239.29636.299336.977240@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TP" == Todd Pfaff writes: TP> When building mailman-1.0rc3 on Solaris 2.5 or 2.5.1 I get a TP> linker error about the unresolved name vsnprintf used in TP> common.c. TP> How are other people dealing with this problem? At this exact moment, by checking out the CVS snapshot, which has an implementation -- taken from GNU screen -- for vsnprintf. It's only gone through minimal testing though. RRSN, 1.0 final will be released and will contain the fix. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Jul 29 00:14:47 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman-1.0rc3, Solaris 2.5 and vsnprintf References: <4.2.0.58.19990728142024.00b51e50@pop.schulte.org> Message-ID: <14239.32983.871777.999327@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Just another reminder that all the Python.Org mailing lists are searchable via . You should turn off web, ftp, and starship, and turn on SIG archives. You can't directly narrow the search down to a specific mailing list though. I've added links to the search page from both the mailman-users and mailman-developers listinfo page. -Barry From jarrell at vt.edu Wed Jul 28 23:33:03 1999 From: jarrell at vt.edu (Ron Jarrell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.19990728173210.04f52240@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> At 04:18 PM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: >I did this a little differently: > >1) add to /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > >O AliasFile=/home/mailman/aliases This assumes you're dedicating your machine to mailman... From lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu Thu Jul 29 00:56:05 1999 From: lindsey at ncsa.uiuc.edu (Christopher Lindsey) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:56:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990728173210.04f52240@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> from "Ron Jarrell" at Jul 28, 99 05:33:03 pm Message-ID: <199907282256.RAA31683@ferret.ncsa.uiuc.edu> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 420 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990728/f455c4d5/attachment.pot From lehmann at lsd.it Thu Jul 29 00:07:06 1999 From: lehmann at lsd.it (Massimiliano Lehmann) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:07:06 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Closed unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: <19990728035010.A25427@viega.org> References: <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249> <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249> Message-ID: <4.1.19990729000057.0094cdc0@212.4.17.249> At 03:50 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: >Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting to do >this. It'd need to be added to the system. > :-)) I was used to run a majordomo with this option enabled to run a mailing list where subscriubes and unsubscribe where "blocked", so I like to find such an option in mailman. I think that a flag to enable or disable unsubscribe ( and subscribe) attempts from users should be OK. And maybe adding an option to enable/disable unsub/sub for single users would be a nice improvement (so a list administrator can stop unsubs ONLY from certain users. Best regards. -- Massimiliano Lehmann +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ | mailto:lehmann at lsd.it | LSD - [L]ehmann | | http://www.lsd.it (Personal web) | [S]ystem | | http://majjolone.lsd.it (Crazy web) | [D}evelopment | +------------------------------------------+----------------------------+ From mcook at unidial.com Thu Jul 29 01:16:21 1999 From: mcook at unidial.com (Merrill Cook) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] send only lists References: Message-ID: <379F8F45.7C3B0BD5@unidial.com> I've not upgraded to the absolute latest, but I'm not too far behind. We have a number of "announcement" lists. Am I missing a way to tell Mailman that this is an announcement list? What I expect is that the listinfo screen would stop saying "To post a message to all the list members, send email to listaddress at mydomain.dom" if it is restricted. Yeah, we say in the description that it is read-only, and that only certain people can post to it, but that instruction is still there just below it. From bernhard at uwm.edu Thu Jul 29 01:19:40 1999 From: bernhard at uwm.edu (Bernhard Reiter) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 18:19:40 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman German Message-ID: <19990728181940.H28099@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> [followup to the "Mailman German" Thread] I also have the need for mailman in different languages. Therefore I added it as a request to the mailman Jitterbug: http://www.python.org/mailman-bugs/requests?id=71;user=guest It is still open, but the comment to it is: I18N is big on our list for post-1.0final features. FYI. Bernhard (ps.: cc relevant mail to me, I'm not subscribed to the list.) -- Research Assistant, Geog Dept UM-Milwaukee, USA. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 297 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990728/184b60ff/attachment.pgp From glen at interq.or.jp Thu Jul 29 03:27:59 1999 From: glen at interq.or.jp (Glen Malley) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:27:59 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regarding archives Message-ID: <379FAE1F.243AA760@interq.or.jp> I don't believe anyone ever answered my question about automating the gzipping of the archives, such as is done on the Mailman-users list... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Glen Malley Systems Developer | | glen at interq.or.jp interQ Corporation - System Division | | (cell)090-4398-7951 Shibuya Infoss Tower 10F | | Tokyo, Japan | | http://www.interq.ad.jp 150-0031 | ----------------------------------------------------------------- From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Wed Jul 28 23:44:22 1999 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:44:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any Ideas anyone, I can really use the help. Thanks. > Has anyone had messages go into the archive but does not send any email? > The only messages so far have been one's with attachments. All other work > just fine. > > Any Ideas? > > Thanks > > Chris > > Christopher T. Griffiths > Senior Network/Systems Administrator > Quansoo Group Inc. > cgriffiths at quansoo.com > Phone: (302) 777-4141 > Fax: (302) 777-4142 > Mobile: (302) 521-3436 > > Christopher T. Griffiths Senior Network/Systems Administrator Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From sen_ml at eccosys.com Thu Jul 29 03:55:45 1999 From: sen_ml at eccosys.com (sen_ml at eccosys.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:55:45 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: CLosed unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:12:12 -0600" <19990728111212.54019@denver.net> References: <19990728111212.54019@denver.net> Message-ID: <19990729105545V.1001@eccosys.com> At around Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:12:12 -0600, John-David Childs may have mentioned: > On Wednesday July 28, 1999, John Viega > had this to say about "Re: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe?": > > > Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting to do > > this. It'd need to be added to the system. > > > > John > > I do this with our "customer" and "outage" mailing lists...we don't want > people unsubscribing themselves and then complaining that we didn't send > them notification of a problem. Currently with mailman, the administrator > receives all notifications of unsubs and just "invisibly" resubscribes > them. this seems to be a tricky issue...imho, if this functionality were supported i would hope that if one were to run a list configured this way that the unsubscription policy of the list be made very clear before the subscription was completed. in the case of customers, i would hope that the unsubscription policy for the list is explained in any agreements -- alternatively, in some cases it seems like stating up front that unsubscribing means problem notification is likely to stop, might work. i know i don't want to be on any lists i can't unsubscribe from as a user :-) oops, am i baiting someone? *grin* From james at perforce.com Thu Jul 29 05:46:11 1999 From: james at perforce.com (James Strickland) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 20:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Have you checked if there are any pending administrative requests? On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Christopher T. Griffiths wrote: > Any Ideas anyone, I can really use the help. > > Thanks. > > > Has anyone had messages go into the archive but does not send any email? > > The only messages so far have been one's with attachments. All other work > > just fine. > > > > Any Ideas? -- James Strickland Perforce Software From swift at alum.mit.edu Thu Jul 29 08:33:00 1999 From: swift at alum.mit.edu (Matthew Swift) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:33:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] installation as a user with limited permissions Message-ID: <199907290633.CAA04809@aleph.swift.xxx> I'm hoping to be able to use mailman to run mailing lists from my ISP's machine and web server. On this machine, I cannot create new user groups or users, and I cannot modify the Apache configuration or sendmail configuration. I can run my own CGI scripts, and I can control (via procmail) where all mail to my domain gets directed. I have looked over the installation directions for mailman, which calls for creating a user and usergroup, adding sendmail aliases, and modifying the webserver's configuration. My impression is that I could manage to satisfy mailman in some respects (e.g., I have a 'ScriptAlias /bin/ ' to work with, so maybe I could mimic the requested 'ScriptAlias /mailman/ ' by making clever links), but that in general it is a lost cause to try to use mailman in my situation. Is it a lost cause? If not, has anyone figured out all the necessary kludges and written them down for me? If so, is there a similar piece of software that would work well in my situation? I've heard of Majordomo & SmartList, for example, but I don't really know what's out there and what they do. Any advice will be much appreciated. Matt From gossamer at tertius.net.au Thu Jul 29 10:09:17 1999 From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:09:17 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error Message-ID: <19990729180917.B324@tertius.net.au> I don't know python and don't grok this error, anybody give me any clues? bekj ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery Subsystem ----- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:05 +1000 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: rocky-admin at dora.tertius.net.au Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) The original message was received at Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:03 +1000 from entoo.connect.com.au [192.189.54.8] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post rocky" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 65, in ? current_list.Post(msg) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1143, in Post recipients.remove(members) NameError: recipients 554 "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post rocky"... unknown mailer error 1 Reporting-MTA: dns; dora.tertius.net.au Received-From-MTA: DNS; entoo.connect.com.au Arrival-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:03 +1000 Final-Recipient: RFC822; X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post rocky at dora.tertius.net.au Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:09:05 +1000 bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that : something else is more important than fear. -- Ambrose Redmoon From pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA Thu Jul 29 15:22:01 1999 From: pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA (Todd Pfaff) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990728173210.04f52240@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Ron Jarrell wrote: > At 04:18 PM 7/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I did this a little differently: > > > >1) add to /etc/mail/sendmail.cf > > > >O AliasFile=/home/mailman/aliases > > This assumes you're dedicating your machine to mailman... Why? I'm not. I used to do the same thing with majordomo and I never dedicated the machine to majordomo. I said "add to sendmail.cf" not replace. The sendmail.cf can include multiple alias files. -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From jfreeman at scansoft.com Thu Jul 29 15:51:26 1999 From: jfreeman at scansoft.com (Joshua S. Freeman) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'user lacks a password' Message-ID: <199907291351.JAA24664@mail.scansoft.com> can someone tell me what it means when mailman sends me a message like the one below and what I should do about it. Thanks, J. ---------- From: paperport-win32-admin at list.scansoft.com To: paperport-win32-admin at list.scansoft.com Subject: Paperport-win32 at list.scansoft.com user dominick.bovenzi at usa.xerox.com missing password! Date: Thu, Jul 29, 1999, 09:12 Mailman noticed in .MailUserPassword() that: User: 'dominick.bovenzi at usa.xerox.com' List: paperport-win32 lacks a password. Please notify the Mailman system manager at this site! From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Thu Jul 29 12:20:13 1999 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:20:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, There are no admin requests for held messages. Yet the messages with attachments appear in the archive. On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, James Strickland wrote: > Have you checked if there are any pending administrative requests? > > On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Christopher T. Griffiths wrote: > > > Any Ideas anyone, I can really use the help. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > Has anyone had messages go into the archive but does not send any email? > > > The only messages so far have been one's with attachments. All other work > > > just fine. > > > > > > Any Ideas? > > -- > James Strickland > Perforce Software > > > Christopher T. Griffiths Senior Network/Systems Administrator Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From james at perforce.com Thu Jul 29 18:12:34 1999 From: james at perforce.com (James Strickland) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users object to [listname] prefix Message-ID: I just switched our internal lists over to Mailman (yay!!!!) without making an announcement on the list. The switch went smoothly, once I figured out how to get the old archives into mbox format! There are now a lot of messages on the list, however, objecting to the [listname] prefix taking up "valuable subject line space". I suspect all of these people are using Microsoft products... anyway, has anyone else had this experience? Has anyone explicitly commended the use of the [listname] prefix? I personally like it, and don't want to change anything. The list has ~500 subscribers, and 5 have so far complained. I could just ignore them... any thoughts? -- James Strickland Perforce Software From John at list.org Thu Jul 29 20:38:58 1999 From: John at list.org (John Viega) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:38:58 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] users object to [listname] prefix In-Reply-To: ; from James Strickland on Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 09:12:34AM -0700 References: Message-ID: <19990729113858.G31823@viega.org> Most people will prefer it, since it will help them visually filter their mailbox more easily. That was added after many real users asked for the feature. On Thu, Jul 29, 1999 at 09:12:34AM -0700, James Strickland wrote: > I just switched our internal lists over to Mailman (yay!!!!) without > making an announcement on the list. The switch went smoothly, once I > figured out how to get the old archives into mbox format! > > There are now a lot of messages on the list, however, objecting to the > [listname] prefix taking up "valuable subject line space". I suspect > all of these people are using Microsoft products... anyway, has anyone > else had this experience? Has anyone explicitly commended the use of the > [listname] prefix? I personally like it, and don't want to change > anything. The list has ~500 subscribers, and 5 have so far complained. > I could just ignore them... any thoughts? > > -- > James Strickland > Perforce Software > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Jul 29 20:55:00 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:55:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users object to [listname] prefix In-Reply-To: <19990729113858.G31823@viega.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, John Viega wrote: > Most people will prefer it, since it will help them visually filter > their mailbox more easily. That was added after many real users asked > for the feature. I for one prefer it IMMENSELY. From james at perforce.com Thu Jul 29 21:00:14 1999 From: james at perforce.com (James Strickland) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users object to [listname] prefix In-Reply-To: <19990729113858.G31823@viega.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, John Viega wrote: > Most people will prefer it, since it will help them visually filter > their mailbox more easily. That was added after many real users asked > for the feature. I should send you the 14 messages totalling 42k of email which the use of the prefix generated on the list! :-) Many users seemed quite upset. Only a couple wanted the feature. Remarkable... I personally think it's useful. As a compromise I just set the prefix to be a 2 character string rather than the 13 character list name. Thanks for the feedback! And thanks for Mailman - it's fantastic! btw, is there anything that can be done about mailers sending bounce messages which Mailman doesn't recognize? Most bounces seem to be handled automatically, but some aren't, and they seem to be all from MS Exchange or Lotus Bloats. Has anyone else seen this? I can provide samples. -- James Strickland Perforce Software From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Jul 29 22:11:57 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users object to [listname] prefix References: <19990729113858.G31823@viega.org> Message-ID: <14240.46477.899985.557640@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JS" == James Strickland writes: JS> I should send you the 14 messages totalling 42k of email which JS> the use of the prefix generated on the list! :-) Many users JS> seemed quite upset. Only a couple wanted the feature. JS> Remarkable... I personally think it's useful. I completely remove the prefix for python-list at python.org, but for most other lists I keep the prefix. Personally I prefer them, but for my filtering software, it really is redundant information. JS> btw, is there anything that can be done about mailers sending JS> bounce messages which Mailman doesn't recognize? Most bounces JS> seem to be handled automatically, but some aren't, and they JS> seem to be all from MS Exchange or Lotus Bloats. Has anyone JS> else seen this? I can provide samples. Bounce detection is pretty ad-hoc right now, being composed of gobs of crufty regexps. At some point we should bring sanity to this part of the system. For now, I'm just trying to collect bounces that don't get recognized. If possible, submit a bug report and include the entire bounce. -Barry From johnr at eecs.berkeley.edu Thu Jul 29 22:34:55 1999 From: johnr at eecs.berkeley.edu (John Reekie) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:34:55 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Coniguration for "umbrella" list? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002b01beda01$d209e980$723e2080@bean.eecs.berkeley.edu> Does anyone know the correct configuration to make an "umbrella" list work? I have two lists, diva-interest and diva-notify, and diva-interest has diva-notify as one of its members. The configuration settings for diva-notify are: Must posts be approved by an admin: No Restrict posting privileges to list members: Yes Addresses accepted without implicit approval requirements: diva-interest-admin at gigascale.EECS.Berkeley.EDU diva-interest at gigascale.EECS.Berkeley.EDU However, posts sent to diva-interest at gigascale.eecs.berkeley.edu are held for approval as follows (from the admindb page): Post held because: Only approved posters may post without moderator approval. >From diva-notify-admin Thu Jul 29 13:12:14 1999 ... Reply-To: From: "John Reekie" To: Subject: [Diva-interest] Test 298532 Sender: diva-interest-admin at gigascale.EECS.Berkeley.EDU Errors-To: diva-interest-admin at gigascale.EECS.Berkeley.EDU X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Interest list for Diva users X-BeenThere: diva-interest at gigascale.eecs.berkeley.edu I think I've tried about every combination of options... Help! BTW, my Defaults.py says USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 JohnR From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Jul 29 23:17:22 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] open source/open science using mailman References: <990725173828.ZM23934@ssadler.phy.bnl.gov> Message-ID: <14240.50402.546939.271405@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "SA" == Stephen Adler writes: SA> With that said, there was one small installation problem I SA> had. It has to do with running bin/check_perms. It failed SA> because the file /home/mailman/data/adm.pw did not SA> exist. There wasn't anything in the INSTALL file which said SA> anything about it. So I did a | thouch /home/mailman/data/adm.pw | chmod 640 /home/mailman/data/adm.pw SA> and that made bin/check_perms happy. Known bug in rc3. The version of check_perms in the CVS snapshot doesn't barf if adm.pw doesn't exist. SA> I just ignored these errors, but maybe check_perms should only SA> check the files and directories it cares about so that other SA> non-essential directories can co-exist along with SA> them. (i.e. .kde, Desktop, so on and so forth.) Yeah, perhaps check_perms can be made a little smarter in this regard. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Jul 29 23:26:35 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent References: Message-ID: <14240.50955.787026.880109@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "CTG" == Christopher T Griffiths writes: CTG> Has anyone had messages go into the archive but does not send CTG> any email? The only messages so far have been one's with CTG> attachments. All other work just fine. I just tried to send my test list a couple of messages with MIME attachments and had no problems. First I sent a message containing a GIF image. Mailman properly held the message for admin approval because the base64 encoding caused the message to exceed the 40k limit. I approved the message and it got delivered just fine. Then I sent myself a message containing a smaller (under the limit) attachment, and this went through without being held for approval. I think we're going to need help in debugging this particular problem. Take a look at the Mailman log files and see if they give you a clue. You should also look at your MTA's log files to see if there's any clue there. -Barry From cgriffiths at quansoo.com Thu Jul 29 20:04:18 1999 From: cgriffiths at quansoo.com (Christopher T. Griffiths) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:04:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent In-Reply-To: <14240.50955.787026.880109@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: I tried resetting the limit on my list from 40 to 0 and back to 40 and now it works. There were no other flags in my log files. It is now working though. Quite interesting. Chris Griffiths On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "CTG" == Christopher T Griffiths writes: > > CTG> Has anyone had messages go into the archive but does not send > CTG> any email? The only messages so far have been one's with > CTG> attachments. All other work just fine. > > I just tried to send my test list a couple of messages with > MIME attachments and had no problems. First I sent a message > containing a GIF image. Mailman properly held the message for admin > approval because the base64 encoding caused the message to exceed the > 40k limit. I approved the message and it got delivered just fine. > > Then I sent myself a message containing a smaller (under the limit) > attachment, and this went through without being held for approval. > > I think we're going to need help in debugging this particular > problem. Take a look at the Mailman log files and see if they give > you a clue. You should also look at your MTA's log files to see if > there's any clue there. > > -Barry > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Christopher T. Griffiths Senior Network/Systems Administrator Quansoo Group Inc. cgriffiths at quansoo.com Phone: (302) 777-4141 Fax: (302) 777-4142 Mobile: (302) 521-3436 From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:02:17 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Can=B4t?= confirm a subscrible References: <379CA629.B3CB54DD@ccuec.unicamp.br> Message-ID: <14240.53097.870776.631507@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "CM" == Claudio Martinez writes: CM> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 CM> "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd dicas-l"... unknown CM> mailer error 2 Error 2's mean you didn't get the mail gid correct when you configured and installed Mailman. Look at your MTA logs for details. Use configure's --with-mail-gid option to set the correct GID. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:06:49 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? References: <4.1.19990726214203.00a49310@212.4.17.249> <19990728035010.A25427@viega.org> Message-ID: <14240.53369.296032.303067@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JV" == John Viega writes: JV> Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting JV> to do this. It'd need to be added to the system. I've submitted a bug request for this (which I'll move to the requests folder soon). I would suspect that the same option would control disabling delivery since if you could just disable delivery you wouldn't really care if you're still subscribed. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:13:42 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Removing Archives References: <19990728133818.A15067@tertius.net.au> <19990728040024.D25427@viega.org> Message-ID: <14240.53782.242210.987348@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JV" == John Viega writes: JV> Unfortunately, you need to go to "Edit the HTML for the public JV> list pages", and manually remove the link from each page. I never actually remove stuff when I edit the HTML files from the web. Instead I always use HTML comments. One way to make things better would be to integrate version control into this editing process. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:36:07 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] send only lists References: <379F8F45.7C3B0BD5@unidial.com> Message-ID: <14240.55127.112784.829940@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "MC" == Merrill Cook writes: MC> Am I missing a way to tell Mailman that this is an MC> announcement list? What I expect is that the listinfo screen MC> would stop saying "To post a message to all the list members, MC> send email to listaddress at mydomain.dom" if it is MC> restricted. Yeah, we say in the description that it is MC> read-only, and that only certain people can post to it, but MC> that instruction is still there just below it. Sorry, the best you can do right now is to edit the general listinfo HTML page to comment out this text. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:34:54 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases References: Message-ID: <14240.55054.531654.409070@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "TP" == Todd Pfaff writes: TP> Wow! I'm impressed. Once past the initial hurdle of the TP> vsnprintf problem and Solaris 2.5, I had mailman installed and TP> working in less that an hour. Beautiful! Yay! TP> In case this hasn't been discussed already, I have a TP> suggestion for handling the mailman aliases. This approach might allow us (at least for sendmail) to easily add new lists via the Web. You'd only have to hack ~mailman/aliases -- which you'd presumably wouldn't have to be root to do. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:40:22 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regarding archives References: <379FAE1F.243AA760@interq.or.jp> Message-ID: <14240.55382.45856.822978@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "GM" == Glen Malley writes: GM> I don't believe anyone ever answered my question GM> about automating the gzipping of the archives, such GM> as is done on the Mailman-users list... Pipermail will gzip automatically if it can import the gzip module. gzip module requires the zlib module which is not included or enabled by default for Python. http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-zlib.html -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:41:21 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Strange error References: <19990729180917.B324@tertius.net.au> Message-ID: <14240.55441.86888.103139@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "BO" == Bek Oberin writes: BO> I don't know python and don't grok this error, anybody give BO> me any clues? Looks like you're running an old version of Mailman? -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:42:05 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 'user lacks a password' References: <199907291351.JAA24664@mail.scansoft.com> Message-ID: <14240.55485.188922.81757@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JSF" == Joshua S Freeman writes: JSF> can someone tell me what it means when mailman sends me a JSF> message like the one below and what I should do about it. What version of Mailman are you running? A bug that caused this erroneous message was fixed a while ago. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 00:52:18 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Message w/ attachment goes into archive but no mail sent References: <14240.50955.787026.880109@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <14240.56098.57381.890243@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "CTG" == Christopher T Griffiths writes: CTG> I tried resetting the limit on my list from 40 to 0 and back CTG> to 40 and now it works. There were no other flags in my log CTG> files. It is now working though. Quite interesting. Indeed, especially because you said Mailman wasn't holding the messages for approval. Weird! -Barry From tigerwolf at tigerden.com Fri Jul 30 03:12:22 1999 From: tigerwolf at tigerden.com (George F. Nemeyer) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cron errors: Failed to access config info Message-ID: Hello! I'm new to the list, having just installed Mailman yesterday. It's on a slackware linux box, GCC 2.7.2.3 with freshly installed python. It seems to be working, but the cron jobs all gripe in a similar way. I found similar questions to this in the list archive, but none seem to have an answer that fits. This might be a FAQ candidate. Below is what I'm seeing. 'check_perms' says everything's ok. I'm guessing it has something to do with the 'config.db' in each list, but I'm not sure as I'm a hardware person, not a program sort. Any help would be appreciated. George Nemeyer Tigerden Internet Services Subject: cron: /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 58, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 788, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info ------------------ Subject: cron: /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/checkdbs Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 77, in ? main(verbose=(len(sys.argv) > 1 File "/home/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 34, in main list = MailList.MailList(name, lock = 0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 788, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info ------------------ Subject: cron: /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/senddigests Traceback (innermost last): File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 41, in ? main() File "/home/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 35, in main list = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 60, in __init__ self.Load() File "/home/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 788, in Load raise Errors.MMBadListError, 'Failed to access config info' MMBadListError: Failed to access config info From claw at varesearch.com Fri Jul 30 03:55:39 1999 From: claw at varesearch.com (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:55:39 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] CLosed unsubscribe? In-Reply-To: Message from "Barry A. Warsaw" of "Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:06:49 EDT." <14240.53369.296032.303067@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Barry A Warsaw wrote: >>>>>> "JV" == John Viega writes: JV> Wow, I don't think anyone had ever anticipated someone wanting JV> to do this. It'd need to be added to the system. > I've submitted a bug request for this (which I'll move to the > requests folder soon). I would suspect that the same option would > control disabling delivery since if you could just disable > delivery you wouldn't really care if you're still subscribed. Other needs that recently popped up here: The ability to flag individual posters as read-only (or at least moderated). The ability to disable moderation alerts for specific users (silent gag). -- J C Lawrence Life: http://www.kanga.nu/ Home: claw at kanga.nu ---------(*) Work (Linux/IA64): claw at varesearch.com ... Beware of cromagnons wearing chewing gum and palm pilots ... From darren at jasper.somtel.com Fri Jul 30 05:12:14 1999 From: darren at jasper.somtel.com (Darren Henderson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] users object to [listname] prefix In-Reply-To: <19990729113858.G31823@viega.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, John Viega wrote: > Most people will prefer it, since it will help them visually filter Just to offer a voice of descent.... ;) I don't care for it all that much as I sort incoming list messages into their own folders, so its pretty much wasted bytes. But its a trivial thing. ______________________________________________________________________ Darren Henderson darren at jasper.somtel.com Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ From pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA Fri Jul 30 05:53:45 1999 From: pfaff at edge.cis.McMaster.CA (Todd Pfaff) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman aliases In-Reply-To: <14240.55054.531654.409070@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > >>>>> "TP" == Todd Pfaff writes: > > TP> In case this hasn't been discussed already, I have a > TP> suggestion for handling the mailman aliases. > > This approach might allow us (at least for sendmail) to easily add new > lists via the Web. You'd only have to hack ~mailman/aliases -- which > you'd presumably wouldn't have to be root to do. You have to set the ownership and permissions of the ~mailman/aliases* files carefully or sendmail complains about an unsafe dbm file. I've experimented a bit and found the following works fine: # ls -alg /home/mailman/aliases* -rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 1869 Jul 29 23:43 /home/mailman/aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 4096 Jul 29 23:44 /home/mailman/aliases.dir -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 2048 Jul 29 23:44 /home/mailman/aliases.pag -- Todd Pfaff \ Email: pfaff at mcmaster.ca Computing and Information Services \ Voice: (905) 525-9140 x22920 ABB 132 \ FAX: (905) 528-3773 McMaster University \ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8S 4M1 \ From glen at ranma.interq.or.jp Fri Jul 30 06:34:20 1999 From: glen at ranma.interq.or.jp (Glen Malley) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:34:20 +0900 (JST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Regarding Internationalization Message-ID: <199907300434.NAA21009@ranma.interq.or.jp> For the record, I did some hunting and came across a page which contains modified source files for Python which enable Japanese to be handled nicely by the string and token handlers. After re-compiling Python 1.52 using the substitute source files (stringobject.c, compile.c, tokenizer.c) I found that Python readily accepts Japanese characters. Upon sending a test message or three to my temporary mailing lists, I found that Mailman also processes the characters perfectly now. I am now a happy camper. ;-) The page is listed below, though I warn you it is entirely in Japanese: http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA010598/python/pylha32.htm From sen_ml at eccosys.com Fri Jul 30 07:19:14 1999 From: sen_ml at eccosys.com (sen_ml at eccosys.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:19:14 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: users object to [listname] prefix In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:12:14 -0400 (EDT)" References: Message-ID: <19990730141914N.1001@eccosys.com> At around Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:12:14 -0400 (EDT), Darren Henderson may have mentioned: > On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, John Viega wrote: > > > Most people will prefer it, since it will help them visually filter > > Just to offer a voice of descent.... ;) I don't care for it all that much > as I sort incoming list messages into their own folders, so its pretty > much wasted bytes. But its a trivial thing. it's nice for visually filtering, yes. if you don't visually filter, it can be a pain. as mentioned before, limited subject column space for many a mail reader... it would be really nice to be able to set this per user from the user perspective. better still i think would be a message header indicating what list the message is from, client software that displays this header, and peace on earth, and carp and perch and trout and ... bream ;-) From vit at lipetsk.ru Fri Jul 30 10:05:13 1999 From: vit at lipetsk.ru (Victor Gamov) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:05:13 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Cann't send big mail Message-ID: <37A15CB9.B3FC44EE@lipetsk.ru> Hi! I have a big problem -- I cann't send mail to list more then 16K size. We use Mailman-1.0rc2 and ZMailer-2.99.50s11 on FreeBSD-3.2 and error the following: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 97634# connection from postman.lipetsk.ru ipcnt 2 ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE 97634w 220 postman.lipetsk.ru ZMailer Server 2.99.50-s11 #1 ESMTP+IDENT ready at Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:01:55 +0400 97634# remote from [195.34.224.68]:53516 97634r ehlo postman.lipetsk.ru 97634w 250-postman.lipetsk.ru Hello postman.lipetsk.ru 97634w 250-SIZE 20000000 97634w 250-8BITMIME 97634w 250-PIPELINING 97634w 250-CHUNKING 97634w 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 97634w 250-DSN 97634w 250-X-RCPTLIMIT 10000 97634w 250-ETRN 97634w 250 HELP 97634r mail FROM: size=543124 97634w 250 2.1.0 Sender syntax Ok 97634r rcpt TO: NOTIFY=failure 97634w 250 2.1.5 Ok; can accomodate 543124 byte message 97634r rcpt TO: NOTIFY=failure 97634w 250 2.1.5 Ok; can accomodate 543124 byte message 97634r data 97634w 354 Start mail input; end with . 97634- aborted (17459 bytes): SMTP protocol timed out ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- CU, Victor Gamov From widmaster at yahoo.com Fri Jul 30 15:36:02 1999 From: widmaster at yahoo.com (Romain GRIFFITHS) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 06:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do i subscribe a huge number of member >>With Password<< Message-ID: <19990730133602.29028.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Is it possible to subscribe a huge (20000) number of members with password (migration to mailman) using either mass subscribe on the web-interface or add_members script ??? PS: Specified password is important. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From makin at dnrc.bell-labs.com Fri Jul 30 15:37:26 1999 From: makin at dnrc.bell-labs.com (Bhavnesh Makin) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Maquerading problem. Message-ID: <199907301337.JAA13450@bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com> I just installed mailman on solaris 2.6 box yesterday and everything till now seems to be working smoothly. The only problem I have is with the headers, I donot know if sendmail is doing it or mailman has some influence in it. This box which is running mailman has a very stripped down version of sendmail.cf which basically tells the sendmail to masquerade as login at dnrc.bell-labs.com instead of login at box.dnrc.bell-labs.com and it sends the mail to one of our mailhosts for routing. The following is the header generated from one the mail from a list called test123. >From test123-admin at maya.dnrc.bell-labs.com Thu Jul 29 19:07 EDT 1999 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:06:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bhavnesh Makin To: test123 at dnrc.bell-labs.com Subject: [Test123] rrrr X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc3 List-Id: X-BeenThere: test123 at maya _______________________________________________ Test123 mailing list - Test123 at maya http://maya.dnrc.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/test123 I wondering if there is a way to change "From" field from test123-admin at maya.dnrc.bell-labs.com to test123-admin at dnrc.bell-labs.com. Also how do I change Test123 at maya to Test123 at dnrc.bell-labs.com in the footer. thanks, Bhavnesh Makin From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Jul 30 16:42:04 1999 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: users object to [listname] prefix References: <19990730141914N.1001@eccosys.com> Message-ID: <14241.47548.23045.165644@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "sm" == sen ml writes: sm> it would be really nice to be able to set this per user from sm> the user perspective. That's not going to be possible, since you can't efficiently craft custom messages for each individual user. sm> better still i think would be a message header indicating what sm> list the message is from, client software that displays this sm> header, and peace on earth, and carp and perch and trout and sm> ... bream ;-) Mailman already does the first... List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users ...the second, third, and subsequent are beyond the scope of this software. :) -Barry From sen_ml at eccosys.com Fri Jul 30 18:15:25 1999 From: sen_ml at eccosys.com (sen_ml at eccosys.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:15:25 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: users object to [listname] prefix In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:42:04 -0400 (EDT)" <14241.47548.23045.165644@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> References: <14241.47548.23045.165644@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <19990731011525O.1001@eccosys.com> At around Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:42:04 -0400 (EDT), "Barry A. Warsaw" may have mentioned: > >>>>> "sm" == sen ml writes: > > sm> it would be really nice to be able to set this per user from > sm> the user perspective. > > That's not going to be possible, since you can't efficiently craft > custom messages for each individual user. i thought that might be the case :-( here's a post from the ezmlm mailing list which makes me think it might almost be possible (may be even efficiently) using a patched qmail... From: "Fred Lindberg" To: "ezmlm at list.cr.yp.to" Cc: "qmail at list.cr.yp.to" Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:46:18 -0600 ftp://ftp.id.wustl.edu/pub/patches/qmail-verh-0.01.tar.gz 6f6a3cfaf7514790f8e63cd08d38c124 qmail-verh-0.01.tar.gz This package contains two patches for qmail-1.03 + docs. The first patch causes qmail-remote to replace '##L' with the recipient local address and `##H' with the recipient host address. This can be used to construct rfc2369 List-Unsubscribe etc headers that will always have the correct subscription address. The second patch causes qmail-local to do a similar substitution. In this case, a VERP SENDER (ad modum ezmlm) is required. This works for all delivery modes except program delivery. See README in the package for more info. To see what it looks like, subscribe to the qmail at id.wustl.edu sublist and look at the posts. You'll find a List-unsubscribe: header. Same for the daily qmail-digest at id.wustl.edu so if qmail is used w/ certain patches (i guess there might need to be some mechanism of retrieving user setting information when a message is about to be sent), would it not be possible in theory? he asked him knowingly -- not knowing anything about mailman internals :-) > sm> better still i think would be a message header indicating what > sm> list the message is from, client software that displays this > sm> header, and peace on earth, and carp and perch and trout and > sm> ... bream ;-) > > Mailman already does the first... > > List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users that's good -- i should have checked before opening my mouth. do you know whether List-Id is more-or-less an 'official' header? > ...the second, third, and subsequent are beyond the scope of this > software. :) if the List-Id header is semi-official, then we can go around evangelizing to folks who write mail clients or write patches to mail clients ourselves :-) From gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at Fri Jul 30 19:04:17 1999 From: gonter at maestria.wu-wien.ac.at (Gerhard Gonter) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:04:17 +0200 (MES) Subject: [Mailman-Users] How do i subscribe a huge number of member >>With Password<< In-Reply-To: <19990730133602.29028.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> from Romain GRIFFITHS at "Jul 30, 99 06:36:02 am" Message-ID: <199907301704.TAA29732@maestria.wu-wien.ac.at> According to Romain GRIFFITHS: > PS: Specified password is important. This requires a few hacks but it's not that much. I did that in preparation for our listproc migration where a number of options, including the passwords, are to be reused. I offered those patches when I made them (that was at 1.0b11 or so) but nobody showed interest. +gg -- Gerhard.Gonter at wu-wien.ac.at Fax: +43/1/31336/702 g.gonter at ieee.org Zentrum fuer Informatikdienste, Wirtschaftsuniversitaet Wien, Austria From bora at employees.org Fri Jul 30 19:59:19 1999 From: bora at employees.org (Matthew Kaing) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Using Mailman With qmail In-Reply-To: <199907300504.BAA05047@python.org> Message-ID: <001f01bedab5$3f5d08b0$b32444ab@mkaing-nt.cisco.com> Hi, I like to use mailman with qmail. I like to know if anyone have successfully configure them to work together. Please help with the setup and configuration if you have done this. Thanks, Matthew From sen_ml at eccosys.com Sat Jul 31 00:25:31 1999 From: sen_ml at eccosys.com (sen_ml at eccosys.com) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:25:31 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Using Mailman With qmail In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:59:19 -0700" <001f01bedab5$3f5d08b0$b32444ab@mkaing-nt.cisco.com> References: <001f01bedab5$3f5d08b0$b32444ab@mkaing-nt.cisco.com> Message-ID: <19990731072531G.1001@eccosys.com> At around Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:59:19 -0700, "Matthew Kaing" may have mentioned: > Hi, I like to use mailman with qmail. I like to know if anyone have > successfully configure them to work together. Please help with the setup > and configuration if you have done this. i think there is a file called README.QMAIL in the distribution w/ some notes on this. have you had a look at that? From gossamer at tertius.net.au Sat Jul 31 03:17:32 1999 From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Bek Oberin) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:17:32 +1000 Subject: [Mailman-Users] [listname] + space? Message-ID: <19990731111732.A13449@tertius.net.au> I can't seem to add a space after the [listname] prefix, so things come out like this: Subject: [listname]foo bar baz instead of this Subject: [listname] foo bar baz Is this an inherent weakness, or what? Adding a space after it on the admin webpage and it seems to get stripped off again. bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer at tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : And then he thought: Is this how idiots rationalize their : stupidity to themselves? -- Orson Scott Card, Ender's Shadow From zmemex at concentric.net Mon Jul 5 18:02:45 1999 From: zmemex at concentric.net (Zev Percowitz) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:02:45 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail list management Message-ID: <009101bec6ff$d2cc5840$92f0adce@officeluxury> Dear Mail Gurus: What equipment does one need to set up a mail list program. And, how does it work in conjunction with web pages? I would like to generate my own leads and am curious what it would take. Thank You. Zev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990705/19eab803/attachment.html