From janne at avocado.pc.helsinki.fi Wed May 13 16:28:21 1998 From: janne at avocado.pc.helsinki.fi (Janne Sinkkonen) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:28:21 +0300 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199805131428.RAA26590@avocado.pc.helsinki.fi> subscribe From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu Thu May 28 23:13:06 1998 From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions Message-ID: Note: I made the mistake of sending this same message just to klm yesterday before realizing (reading, more like) that I should just send these types of messages to the list in general...so here you go: Hey there...I'm a member of my school (Johns Hopkins) ACM chapter...we just brought this machine (www2.acm.jhu.edu/chimera.acm.jhu.edu/projects.acm.jhu.edu) online earlier this month, and now that it's provent to be stable, we're going to move our mail and list services over to it (from an old PowerMac). Right now, we use Majordomo for lists; I don't administer our Majordomo installation myself, but will probably have a hand in the list administration once it's moved. Earlier this year, I became a big Python fan (I even gave a tutorial peer teaching session on it at one of our ACM meetings), and *really* liked the whole look/feel/functionality of the Pipermail setup on python.org. I have been starting to learn about Majordomo some lately (in anticipation of having to deal with it for the transition), and I'm thinking that it's not really all that cool :) So, I checked the Python site to see what you guys were running, and I must say, from initial impressions, Mailman is much slicker (functionality wise and *especially* user-wise with the whole clean web interface). The thing is, I'm wondering...documentation seems sparse. Not having much experience with even Majordomo, I'm wondering if you could maybe give me the Reader's Digest version of how I'd move our Majordomo lists to a Mailman installation (and how I'd install Mailman) on this new machine (the new machine is a Red Hat 5.0, soon to be 5.1 installation; detailed info about all aspects of the machine are available through our website). Are there any disadvantages to using Mailman vs. Majordomo? If I get too much resistence to using Mailman from the other machine admins, I think I'll have to try something like MajorCool with Majordomo...but Mailman seems to be a much cleaner solution. Also, how easy is it to install and get Pipermail running? It seems way cool :) Sorry if I'm taking up a little chunk of your time; I just want to get this installed on the new machine (or at least know how) so that they don't beat me to the punch with a Majordomo install (after which they'd be more reluctant to pull it out and let me toy with Mailman :) Keep up the good work! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "There exists in India no politician daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From viega at list.org Thu May 28 23:31:53 1998 From: viega at list.org (John Viega) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:31:53 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions In-Reply-To: ; from Corbett J. Klempay on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 05:13:06PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <19980528143153.C12933@list.org> On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 05:13:06PM -0400, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: > The thing is, I'm > wondering...documentation seems sparse. Not having much experience with > even Majordomo, I'm wondering if you could maybe give me the Reader's > Digest version of how I'd move our Majordomo lists to a Mailman > installation (and how I'd install Mailman) on this new machine (the new > machine is a Red Hat 5.0, soon to be 5.1 installation; detailed info about > all aspects of the machine are available through our website). Well, the documentation is indeed somewhat lacking. It's fairly high on my personal wishlist. Thankfully, what you want to do is pretty easy. First, you create new lists with the same name as the old list. Then you run bin/convert_list. The documentation for that is currently in the comments at the top of the file. It's all pretty straightforward. > Are there > any disadvantages to using Mailman vs. Majordomo? Nothing comes to mind... > If I get too much > resistence to using Mailman from the other machine admins, I think I'll > have to try something like MajorCool with Majordomo...but Mailman seems to > be a much cleaner solution. Well, if it helps sell Mailman, you can tell them that Mailman is now the GNU mailing list manager. > Also, how easy is it to install and get > Pipermail running? It seems way cool :) As of the next release, (which should be in about 2 weeks, I'd say), pipermail will come bundled with Mailman, and will work out of the box. > Sorry if I'm taking up a little > chunk of your time; I just want to get this installed on the new machine > (or at least know how) so that they don't beat me to the punch with a > Majordomo install (after which they'd be more reluctant to pull it out and > let me toy with Mailman :) No need to apologize, that's what this list is here for :) You could run both Mailman and Majorodmo at the same time w/o difficulty, if you are so inclined. John From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Thu May 28 23:42:44 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Newbie Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 28 May 1998, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: > Note: I made the mistake of sending this same message just to klm > yesterday before realizing (reading, more like) that I should just send > these types of messages to the list in general...so here you go: (I was almost to the point of composing a message to suggest you do this - thanks. I was going to mention that there is a bit bigger subscribership to the mailman-developers at the moment, and they might have an interest in fielding the question, but it's much better if mailman-users provides answers for you. I would try to address your questions, but i'm running out of time to wrap up loose ends before i'm away for a week, so this'll have to do.) Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . #