From cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu Tue Jul 7 08:11:31 1998 From: cklempay at chimera.acm.jhu.edu (Corbett J. Klempay) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 02:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] huh? Message-ID: I just started a new mailman list...and since I don't have Pipermail running, I went in the admin pages to edit the HTML for the General List Information page...I wanted to kill the section that links to the archives. However, after I make the changes and put in the admin password, it comes up with a page saying I input the wrong admin password. I know it's right, though, because I can even go and verify it's the right one by relogging in as admin with this same password... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "The shifts of fortune test the reliability of friends." PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From farzy at publicis.fr Tue Jul 7 20:53:14 1998 From: farzy at publicis.fr (Farzad FARID) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:53:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support in mailman? Message-ID: Hello, I'm planning to use mailman on a mailing-list I'm gonna create. But I'd rather have it display all messages in french :) Right now I see that I'd have to edit many scripts to translate the texts. Would it be possible to have a version in which the texts and the scripts are separated? That would make translation easier. Furthermore by greping the sources I see that many sentences are repeated often. Wouldn't it be safer to have only one definition of these across all scripts? For example "-- confirmation of subscription -- request" is used 4 times in 3 scripts: ./cgi/subscribe: list.SendTextToUser(subject = "%s -- confirmation of subscription -- request %d" % \ ./modules/mm_mailcmd.py: conf_pat = r"%s -- confirmation of subscription -- request (\d\d\d\d\d\d)" % \ ./modules/mm_mailcmd.py: self.SendTextToUser(subject = "%s -- confirmation of subscription -- request %d" % \ ./modules/mm_pending.py: %(listname)s -- confirmation of subscription -- request %(cookie)s Having only one string would also make translation a lot easier :) Another question: has mailman been tested on large lists? Like around 500 subscribers. Thanks. -- Farzad FARID Administrateur Reseau Publicis Technology From viega at list.org Tue Jul 7 20:57:13 1998 From: viega at list.org (John Viega) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] huh? In-Reply-To: ; from Corbett J. Klempay on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 02:11:31AM -0400 References: Message-ID: <19980707115713.A29050@list.org> That's odd. Can you insert some Python and try to figure out what is failing and why? If not, I'll try to reproduce this problem in the near future. John On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 02:11:31AM -0400, Corbett J. Klempay wrote: > I just started a new mailman list...and since I don't have Pipermail > running, I went in the admin pages to edit the HTML for the General List > Information page...I wanted to kill the section that links to the > archives. However, after I make the changes and put in the admin > password, it comes up with a page saying I input the wrong admin password. > I know it's right, though, because I can even go and verify it's the right > one by relogging in as admin with this same password... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Corbett J. Klempay Quote of the Week: > http://www2.acm.jhu.edu/~cklempay "The shifts of fortune test the > reliability of friends." > > PGP Fingerprint: 7DA2 DB6E 7F5E 8973 A8E7 347B 2429 7728 76C2 BEA1 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users From gorgo at caesar.elte.hu Tue Jul 7 21:06:13 1998 From: gorgo at caesar.elte.hu (Gergely Madarasz) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:06:13 +0200 (METDST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support in mailman? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Farzad FARID wrote: > I'm planning to use mailman on a mailing-list I'm gonna create. But I'd > rather have it display all messages in french :) > Right now I see that I'd have to edit many scripts to translate the > texts. Would it be possible to have a version in which the texts and the > scripts are separated? That would make translation easier. I'd like to see something like that too... for a Hungarian translation :) > Another question: has mailman been tested on large lists? Like around 500 > subscribers. I have two lists, one with 300+220 (normal+digested) subscribers, and the other with 230+230, both with 50-100 mails a day. It works correctly. The problem is with mass subscription and the mailpasswds program because it wants to forks lots of times and hits the ulimit (see the mailman-developers archive) Greg -- Madarasz Gergely gorgo at caesar.elte.hu gorgo at linux.rulez.org It's practically impossible to look at a penguin and feel angry. Egy pingvinre gyakorlatilag lehetetlen haragosan nezni. HuLUG: http://www.cab.u-szeged.hu/local/linux/ From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Tue Jul 7 21:05:01 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support in mailman? References: Message-ID: <13730.29021.898034.561758@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "FF" == Farzad FARID writes: FF> I'm planning to use mailman on a mailing-list I'm gonna FF> create. But I'd rather have it display all messages in french FF> :) Right now I see that I'd have to edit many scripts to FF> translate the texts. Would it be possible to have a version in FF> which the texts and the scripts are separated? That would make FF> translation easier. I've been slowly working on this for the next release. I've managed to move most of the large chunks of text into separate files in the template directory. FF> Furthermore by greping the sources I see that many sentences FF> are repeated often. Wouldn't it be safer to have only one FF> definition of these across all scripts? For example "-- FF> confirmation of subscription -- request" is used 4 times in 3 FF> scripts: A lot of these small sentences are still in the code, but I agree they should be moved out into separate files. The utilities to do this are all in place, so it's just a matter of tracking them all down and converting them. -Barry From viega at list.org Tue Jul 7 21:01:41 1998 From: viega at list.org (John Viega) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:01:41 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support in mailman? In-Reply-To: ; from Farzad FARID on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 08:53:14PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <19980707120141.B29050@list.org> On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 08:53:14PM +0200, Farzad FARID wrote: > Hello, > > I'm planning to use mailman on a mailing-list I'm gonna create. But I'd > rather have it display all messages in french :) > Right now I see that I'd have to edit many scripts to translate the > texts. Would it be possible to have a version in which the texts and the > scripts are separated? That would make translation easier. That's a good idea, but it hasn't been done yet. If you actually want to make these changes, I can outline how I'd like it done, or you can wait a while, as we'll definitely move in that direction in the next month or two. By the way, you might want to wait before running mailman, because the last release had a lot of major changes and untested software. The next version should be out soon (I'd say in the next week or two). > Another question: has mailman been tested on large lists? Like around 500 > subscribers. > It's run lists with several thousands of subscribers, yes. John From viega at list.org Tue Jul 7 21:05:10 1998 From: viega at list.org (John Viega) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:05:10 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support in mailman? In-Reply-To: <13730.29021.898034.561758@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Barry A. Warsaw on Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 03:05:01PM -0400 References: <13730.29021.898034.561758@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <19980707120510.C29050@list.org> On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 03:05:01PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "FF" == Farzad FARID writes: > > FF> I'm planning to use mailman on a mailing-list I'm gonna > FF> create. But I'd rather have it display all messages in french > FF> :) Right now I see that I'd have to edit many scripts to > FF> translate the texts. Would it be possible to have a version in > FF> which the texts and the scripts are separated? That would make > FF> translation easier. > > I've been slowly working on this for the next release. I've managed > to move most of the large chunks of text into separate files in the > template directory. Yes, that's fine for the template stuff. Other strings should perhaps be indexes into files that are language dependant. We could have a string file for each supported language, and symbolic names to represent the indices. I worry a bit about the extra disc access though, it would have to be something where we'd only open and scan the file if we need to read from it. John From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Tue Jul 7 21:15:04 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 15:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multilingual support in mailman? References: Message-ID: <13730.29624.78637.79684@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "GM" == Gergely Madarasz writes: GM> I'd like to see something like that too... for a Hungarian GM> translation :) Actually, my architecture should be expanded a bit to make it work for multiple languages. Currently, there's a function called maketext() in the Utils module that takes a relative filename and a dictionary. The file is pulled out of the templates directory and contains %(key)s for interpolation of the dict. What we'd probably want to add are subdirs inside of templates for the various languages. Then each list would have to have a language option which would get passed to Utils.maketext() so that it could select the appropriate file to use (e.g. templates/en/cronpass.txt would the be English text, templates/hu/cronpass.txt would the be Hungarian, etc.). -Barry From guenter at ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de Thu Jul 23 11:57:42 1998 From: guenter at ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de (guenter at ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:57:42 +0200 (MST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail encoding Message-ID: <199807230957.AA36535@ubkaaix6.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de> Hi, Mailman seems to encode mails that it sends to list member, at least in digest mode. It changes german umlauts to escape sequences most email clients cannot decode. In particular, the ae-umlaut (?) is encoded as the three characters escape, a, :. I have seen this with other list servers before and am not sure, why this is done (maybe there exists some standard somewhere which says to do this). I have tried sendmail from the command line and it does not do it. Generally two methods of transferring eight bit characters work a lot better: 1. leave them as they are 2. add the header "Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable" and encode as "=" plus the hex code of the character. Is there any way to make mailman use one of the above schemes? Is the mime module of python the culprit? Has anyone else experienced similar problems? - Guenter -- Guenter Radestock, Universitaetsbibliothek Karlsruhe guenter at ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/~guenter From jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca Sat Jul 25 21:07:44 1998 From: jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca (Jean-Bernard ADDOR) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] compatibility NCSA httpd Message-ID: Hy! I considere to install mailman, do you have an idea if it is compatible with NCSA httpd? Or will I have to install apache? CU Jean-Bernard From jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca Sat Jul 25 21:10:42 1998 From: jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca (Jean-Bernard ADDOR) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] compatibility procmail Message-ID: Hy! Always, considering to install mailman. Can it be used on the same computer as procmail? CU Jean-Bernard From jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca Sat Jul 25 21:14:47 1998 From: jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca (Jean-Bernard ADDOR) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] compatibility mhonarc Message-ID: Hy! If I install mailman, can I use mhonarc for archiving the messages? Would it be easier to install pipermail too? CU Jean-Bernard From jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca Sat Jul 25 21:17:42 1998 From: jbaddor at sca.uqam.ca (Jean-Bernard ADDOR) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Who is using MailMan? Message-ID: Hy again! Do exist a list of servers using MailMan (other than python.org)? CU Jean-Bernard From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Sun Jul 26 17:52:48 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] compatibility (NCSA httpd, procmail, mhonarc) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In all your compatibility questions you ask if *can* be run with such-and-such, but of course, it depends to some degree on *how* you're running such-and-such. That said, i'll take a stab at answering your questions. 1) You should be able to run mailman with NCSA httpd. If it doesn't have the ability to specify an additional directory for cgi scripts (ie, the ScriptAlias option in apache) then i would expect that you could situate the mailman cgi scripts in the standard cgi-bin directory, and change the settings that refer to the URL path for mailman scripts. 2) Procmail If you're asking about running mailman via a system account filtering through procmail, then i'd imagine it can be done with no fuss. If you're asking about running mailman from user accounts running procmail, then i expect you'd have to go some effort to get the permissions right on the various mailman data files in order to ensure that the user's privileges are sufficient to read and write what needs to be read and written. I think it's quite doable, in either case. 3) Mhonarc As i understand it, on way you can run mhonarc is so that it archives messages received as if it was a regular subscriber to the maillist. The only problem is the monthly delivery of passwords to the subscriber address - they would wind up getting archived, as well, unless mhonarc respects the 'X-No-Archive: yes' header which recent versions of mailman use. It ought to, but if it doesn't you can always include a filter before the mhonarc filter in the receiving mhonarc account's .forward (or .procmail, ow whatever): 8<---------------------------------------------------------------->8 #!/bin/nawk -f # Pass stdin to stdout *unless* we hit an exact line "X-No-Archive: yes", # in which case we just exit, passing nothing. klm 06/23/1998 { if (tolower($0) == "x-no-archive: yes") { nogo=1; } else { got = got $0 "\n"; } } END { if (! nogo) {print substr(got, 0, length(got) -1); } } 8<---------------------------------------------------------------->8 Note that this script will reject messages that have the x-no-archive line anywhere, headers or body - it wouldn't take much to make it pay attention only to the headers, but the exercise is left to the reader... I hope this helps. As to your last question (why did you send each question in a separate message?), i know there are others using mailman for substantial maillists, but i don't remember the details, so i'll let people speak for themselves... Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # From John at list.org Tue Jul 28 03:57:48 1998 From: John at list.org (John at list.org) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:57:48 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Users] ANNOUNCE: Mailman 1.0b5 release Message-ID: <199807280157.SAA14097@lima.mudlib.org> Version 1.0b5 of the Mailman mailing list manager is now available from the Mailman web page: http://www.list.org/ Via ftp, the release is available at: ftp://www.list.org/pub/mailman/mailman-1.0b5.tar.gz New in this version: - New file locking that should be portable and work w/ NFS. - Better use of packages. - Better error logging and reporting. - Less startup overhead. - Various and sundry bug fixes. Please be sure to read the README file after downloading. John Viega From luke at indy.net Tue Jul 28 17:29:41 1998 From: luke at indy.net (Luke) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:29:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] 1.0b5 problem! Message-ID: Hello. . .i just installed Mailman 1.0b5 on my MkLinux box (1.0b4 was working fine) and I get the following error when trying to access any of the CGI stuff. . .any ideas? Luke luke at indy.net "Celebrate we will because life is short but sweet for certain"---Two Step From luke at indy.net Tue Jul 28 17:30:17 1998 From: luke at indy.net (Luke) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:30:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] problems Message-ID: sorry. . .disregard the last message. . .hit cntrl-x rather than cntrl-c :) i'll post again when i get the error to rear its ugly head again :P Luke luke at indy.net "Celebrate we will because life is short but sweet for certain"---Two Step From luke at indy.net Tue Jul 28 17:41:30 1998 From: luke at indy.net (Luke) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:41:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem Message-ID: When trying to do any of the CGI stuff in 1.0b4 i get the following. I am able to view all the "top level" CGI pages, but i get this when submitting changes in /admin/ now as well as in /listinfo/: We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Content-type: text/html We're sorry, we hit a bug! Mailman experienced a very low level failure and could not even generate a useful traceback. Please report this to the Mailman administrator at this site. Luke luke at indy.net "Celebrate we will because life is short but sweet for certain"---Two Step From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Tue Jul 28 17:58:19 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem References: Message-ID: <13757.62747.802457.590807@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Luke, Try this: cd to the Mailman installation directory (which is either /home/mailman if you didn't supply a --prefix option to configure, or the directory you gave to --prefix). >From this directory fire up your Python interpreter from the command line, and execute the following: >>> import sys >>> print sys.stderr >>> import os >>> print os.pardir >>> from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger >>> from Mailman.Logging.MultiLogger import MultiLogger Please tell us if any of these steps fail, and mail us the traceback if so. -Barry From luke at indy.net Tue Jul 28 18:06:40 1998 From: luke at indy.net (Luke) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:06:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem In-Reply-To: <13757.62747.802457.590807@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: Barry- none of these failed Luke luke at indy.net "Celebrate we will because life is short but sweet for certain"---Two Step On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > Luke, > > Try this: > > cd to the Mailman installation directory (which is either > /home/mailman if you didn't supply a --prefix option to configure, or > the directory you gave to --prefix). > > >From this directory fire up your Python interpreter from the command > line, and execute the following: > > >>> import sys > >>> print sys.stderr > >>> import os > >>> print os.pardir > >>> from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger > >>> from Mailman.Logging.MultiLogger import MultiLogger > > > Please tell us if any of these steps fail, and mail us the traceback > if so. > > -Barry > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Tue Jul 28 18:07:59 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem References: <13757.62747.802457.590807@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <13757.63327.232334.184416@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Okay, in the same interpreter session now try: >>> logger = StampedLogger('error', label='admin', manual_reprime=1, nofail=0) >>> multi = MultiLogger(sys.__stdout__, logger) if the latter fails, then try >>> print sys.__stdout__ if that fails, what version of Python are you running? -Barry From luke at indy.net Tue Jul 28 18:11:09 1998 From: luke at indy.net (Luke) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem In-Reply-To: <13757.63327.232334.184416@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: barry- those don't fail either Luke luke at indy.net "Celebrate we will because life is short but sweet for certain"---Two Step On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > Okay, in the same interpreter session now try: > > >>> logger = StampedLogger('error', label='admin', manual_reprime=1, nofail=0) > >>> multi = MultiLogger(sys.__stdout__, logger) > > if the latter fails, then try > > >>> print sys.__stdout__ > > if that fails, what version of Python are you running? > > -Barry > From oliver.thuns at gmx.de Wed Jul 29 18:12:09 1998 From: oliver.thuns at gmx.de (Oliver Thuns) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:12:09 +0100 Subject: No subject Message-ID: <199807291514.LAA26592@python.org> confirm 117683 From mrbill at frenzy.com Wed Jul 29 17:44:49 1998 From: mrbill at frenzy.com (William Bradford) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:44:49 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple copies of messages? Message-ID: <19980729104449.A29021@frenzy.com> I'm running 1.0b5 with apache 1.3 and python 1.5.1 on a DEC UNIX 4.0D machine (AlphaStation 200 166mhz), and some of my list members are getting multiple copies of the same message.. Also, I found that you cant "en masse" add more than 25 or so people at a time, or the operation bombs out with an "operation would block" message on the error bug page returned by the web browser... bill -- Bill Bradford * mrbill at frenzy.com ------------------------------------------- "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler From mark at dallas-cs-000.novare.net Thu Jul 30 19:05:08 1998 From: mark at dallas-cs-000.novare.net (m*) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:05:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid error Message-ID: <199807301705.MAA05944@dallas-cs-000.novare.net> i keep getting this error. i thought i had followed the dirs but i must be missing something: Jul 30 11:58:47 orifice Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1? i let the configure script determine the gid and it got mail's gid 8 but it appears that the script is trying to run as daemon's gid. i configured mailman once before ( i believe it was an earlier version ) but did not have this problem. thanks so much, mark From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Thu Jul 30 20:40:35 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman problem References: <13757.62747.802457.590807@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> <13757.63327.232334.184416@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <13760.48675.57480.980612@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "L" == Luke writes: L> none of these failed Sorry Luke, I've been out sick since just about after our last email exchange. Are you still having problems? If you're getting that low-level bug report then there *must* either be problems importing sys, or something that's causing the functions in the except clause of run_main() to fail. I still suspect that logger or multi are not getting instantiated correctly. Please try this version of the driver script and see if that gives you any more clues as to what's up. This will print error information to whatever stderr is for your CGI scripts. Let me know what you find out. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: driver Url: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19980730/4552630a/attachment.ksh From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Thu Jul 30 20:49:53 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple copies of messages? References: <19980729104449.A29021@frenzy.com> Message-ID: <13760.49233.219618.937228@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "WB" == William Bradford writes: WB> I'm running 1.0b5 with apache 1.3 and python 1.5.1 on a DEC WB> UNIX 4.0D machine (AlphaStation 200 166mhz), and some of my WB> list members are getting multiple copies of the same message.. WB> Also, I found that you cant "en masse" add more than 25 or so WB> people at a time, or the operation bombs out with an WB> "operation would block" message on the error bug page returned WB> by the web browser... Bill, We know that 1.0b5 has a bug that subscription acknowledgements are sent out twice. We haven't tracked this problem down yet. Are you saying that your members are also getting some posts more than once? I haven't seen that on my test lists, but it could still be happening (and possibly caused by the same bug that's sending out subscript acks twice). -Barry From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Thu Jul 30 21:01:01 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 15:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] gid error References: <199807301705.MAA05944@dallas-cs-000.novare.net> Message-ID: <13760.49901.974365.853820@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "m" == m writes: m> i keep getting this error. i thought i had followed the dirs m> but i must be missing something: m> Jul 30 11:58:47 orifice Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec m> script. WANTED gid 8, GOT gid 1. (Reconfigure to take 1? m> i let the configure script determine the gid and it got mail's m> gid 8 but it appears that the script is trying to run as m> daemon's gid. m> i configured mailman once before ( i believe it was an earlier m> version ) but did not have this problem. Mark, re-run configure with --with-mail-gid=daemon, then re-install. That should fix your problem. -Barry From pdm at informatics.muni.cz Thu Jul 30 21:07:29 1998 From: pdm at informatics.muni.cz (Milan Zamazal) Date: 30 Jul 1998 21:07:29 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple copies of messages? In-Reply-To: "Barry A. Warsaw"'s message of "Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT)" References: <19980729104449.A29021@frenzy.com> <13760.49233.219618.937228@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <87emv36tu6.fsf@informatics.muni.cz> >>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw p??e: BAW> We know that 1.0b5 has a bug that subscription acknowledgements BAW> are sent out twice. We haven't tracked this problem down yet. BAW> Are you saying that your members are also getting some posts BAW> more than once? I haven't seen that on my test lists, but it BAW> could still be happening (and possibly caused by the same bug BAW> that's sending out subscript acks twice). I had the same problem (some people received even about 10 copies of the subscription message), and yes, some members received also messages twice. The latter problem disappeared after I set number of outgoing connections to 1 instead of default 5 in Mailman. However mass subscriptions are still sent more than once to some users. Milan Zamazal From mrbill at frenzy.com Fri Jul 31 07:47:32 1998 From: mrbill at frenzy.com (William Bradford) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 00:47:32 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Multiple copies of messages? In-Reply-To: <13760.49233.219618.937228@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; from Barry A. Warsaw on Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 02:49:53PM -0400 References: <19980729104449.A29021@frenzy.com> <13760.49233.219618.937228@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <19980731004732.L378@frenzy.com> On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 02:49:53PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > Bill, > We know that 1.0b5 has a bug that subscription acknowledgements are > sent out twice. We haven't tracked this problem down yet. Are you > saying that your members are also getting some posts more than once? > I haven't seen that on my test lists, but it could still be happening > (and possibly caused by the same bug that's sending out subscript acks > twice). > -Barry My users are getting list posts more than once (twice, three times, sometimes four or five copies of the same messages). Never ran into a multiple-subscribe-ack problem (I added all my users manually, from another list software), but I also found that if I tried to add more than 25 users at a time or so I'd get error occurances with messages on the web page like "Operation would block", etc. That, however, may be a DEC UNIX limit problem and not a MailMan problem. DU 4.0D / Sendmail 8.9.1 / Python 1.5.1 / MailMan 1.0b5, compiled with GCC (egcs 1.0.3a). Currently, until I can get the multiple-posts problem fixed (I myself was getting the posts twice) I've got all my users back on Procmail/Smartlist. 8-( -- Bill Bradford * mrbill at frenzy.com ------------------------------------------- "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Fri Jul 31 17:25:55 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Potential gotcha Message-ID: <13761.57859.883789.48657@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Corbett has been very kind in allowing me access to his machine to debug his problems. Since others have reported similar problems, I want to give you a heads up. Please double check that the programs in /home/mailman/cgi-bin are group owned by `mailman' and have the group sticky bit set. This is imperative; Mailman just won't work without this. I know need to figure out why the install procedure is broken on some systems, and how the driver script can better report and recover from these problems. Thanks Corbett! -Barry From bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US Fri Jul 31 17:56:35 1998 From: bwarsaw at CNRI.Reston.Va.US (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Potential gotcha References: <13761.57859.883789.48657@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <13761.59699.389393.16655@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Me> I know need to figure out why the install procedure is broken Me> on some systems, and how the driver script can better report Me> and recover from these problems. There is a bug in the top-level Makefile.in file which could cause the cgi-bin and mail subdirectories to not have their group sticky bit set. This in turn would cause the CGI binaries to be installed with the wrong group ownership. Please apply the following patch and do a fresh re-install, or make sure that CGI binaries and mail/wrapper are both group'd to mailman and have the g+s bit set (might as well set the bit on the cgi-bin and mail directories too). Sorry about that. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- Index: Makefile.in =================================================================== RCS file: /projects/cvsroot/mailman/Makefile.in,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -c -r1.5 Makefile.in *** Makefile.in 1998/07/02 19:35:28 1.5 --- Makefile.in 1998/07/31 15:51:07 *************** *** 88,93 **** --- 88,94 ---- echo "Creating directory hierarchy $$dir"; \ ./mkinstalldirs $$dir; \ chmod $(DIRMODE) $$dir; \ + chmod g+s $$dir; \ else true; \ fi; \ done From mrbill at frenzy.com Fri Jul 31 21:01:33 1998 From: mrbill at frenzy.com (William Bradford) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:01:33 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] problem with "Edit Options" Message-ID: <19980731140133.L20220@frenzy.com> Tried to do the "Edit Options" section, and edit my personal user settings on a test list, and I got this output: (http://area51.mrbill.net/mailman/subscribe/test) We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main main() File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 95, in main call_script('options', [list._internal_name, member]) File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 65, in call_script list.Unlock() AttributeError: Unlock Environment variables: Variable Value DOCUMENT_ROOT /usr/local/apache/share/htdocs CONTENT_LENGTH 49 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded PATH_TRANSLATED /usr/local/apache/share/htdocs/test/ REMOTE_ADDR 198.214.63.63 SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.1 (Unix) GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en REMOTE_PORT 17021 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* REQUEST_URI /mailman/subscribe/test/ PATH /usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin QUERY_STRING SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 PATH_INFO test/mrbill at frenzy.com HTTP_HOST area51.mrbill.net REQUEST_METHOD POST SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/subscribe SERVER_ADMIN root at area51.mrbill.net SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/subscribe PYTHONPATH /usr/local/mailman HTTP_REFERER http://area51.mrbill.net/mailman/listinfo/test SERVER_NAME area51.mrbill.net -- Bill Bradford * mrbill at frenzy.com ------------------------------------------- "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler