From bac at ivc.com Tue Dec 1 21:03:00 1998 From: bac at ivc.com (Brad Crittenden) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:03:00 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman silently fails Message-ID: <002b01be1d65$98e269b0$65181bd8@sabine.ivc.com> hello: today i installed mailman with minimal problems on a solaris box. i did have to manually change /home/mailman/archives/public to 'chmod g+x' in order to allow some archival functions. also, i misconfigured a list for news posting (forgot to put the newsgroup name) and this caused mailman to silently failed. the posts were placed in the archive but they weren't sent to the list and, of course, they didn't get posted. perhaps the order should be changed so that the email gets distributed before the other tasks happen. also, it would be good if the list admin were notified when failures like that occur. and, while i'm at it, i guess newsgroup posting should not be enabled if a newsgroup isn't specified. regardless, it is a great tool and i really appreciate it. sincerely, brad From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Wed Dec 2 12:14:52 1998 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:14:52 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation problems Message-ID: I've just downloaded mailman-1.0b6 and tryed to compile it in a DEC AXP with Digital Unix, and get the following errors while doing make: With gcc: gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=65534 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS =1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.o -o admin common.c common.c:26: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function) common.c:26: parse error before string constant common.c:27: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function) common.c:28: `PYTHON' undeclared here (not in a function) With the system's cc: cc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=65534 -O -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -D HAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.o -o admin common.c cc: Error: common.c, line 26: Invalid declaration. const char* scriptdir = SCRIPTDIR; ------------------------^ cc: Error: common.c, line 27: In the initializer for moduledir, "PREFIX" is not decl ared. const char* moduledir = MODULEDIR; ------------------------^ cc: Error: common.c, line 28: In the initializer for python, "PYTHON" is not declared. char* python = PYTHON; ---------------^ cc: Error: common.c, line 155: In this statement, "scriptdir" is not declared. strlen(scriptdir) + -----------------------^ Any ideas. I'have tryed mailman in Linux and I'm very satisfied and would like to use it as the University list server. Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Dec 3 17:02:49 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 11:02:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm - i'm no build/compilation expert (barry?), but it looks like the PREFIX and PYTHON macros are not being defined. I'd suspect a missing step in the build process - i expect that one of the build gurus can pinpoint where. In the src/Makefile, are there some lines that look like: COMMON_FLAGS= -DPREFIX="\"$(prefix)\"" \ -DPYTHON="\"$(PYTHON)\"" and doe the common.o target line look like: common.o: $(srcdir)/common.c $(srcdir)/common.h $(CC) -c -I. $(COMMON_FLAGS) $(CFLAGS) $< ? Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # On Wed, 2 Dec 1998, Victoriano Giralt wrote: > > I've just downloaded mailman-1.0b6 and tryed to compile it in a DEC AXP > with Digital Unix, and get the following errors while doing make: > > With gcc: > gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=65534 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 > -DSTDC_HEADERS > =1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.o -o > admin common.c > common.c:26: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function) > common.c:26: parse error before string constant > common.c:27: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function) > common.c:28: `PYTHON' undeclared here (not in a function) > > With the system's cc: > cc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=65534 -O -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 > -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -D > HAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.o -o admin > common.c > cc: Error: common.c, line 26: Invalid declaration. > const char* scriptdir = SCRIPTDIR; > ------------------------^ > cc: Error: common.c, line 27: In the initializer for moduledir, "PREFIX" > is not decl > ared. > const char* moduledir = MODULEDIR; > ------------------------^ > cc: Error: common.c, line 28: In the initializer for python, "PYTHON" is > not declared. > char* python = PYTHON; > ---------------^ > cc: Error: common.c, line 155: In this statement, "scriptdir" is not > declared. > strlen(scriptdir) + > -----------------------^ > > Any ideas. I'have tryed mailman in Linux and I'm very satisfied and would > like to use it as the University list server. > > Victoriano Giralt > Systems Programmer > Central Computing Facility > University of M?laga > SPAIN > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From gstein at lyra.org Thu Dec 3 18:57:59 1998 From: gstein at lyra.org (Greg Stein) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:57:59 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot list admin password Message-ID: <3666D127.1F32542E@lyra.org> I forgot my list admin password and can't find it in my mail (for the thread-sig at python.org). Is there a way that I can have Mailman send it to me? (or do I have to bother Ken for the millionth time?) If Mailman can't send it to me, then ocnsider this a request to add the feature. I would suggest an extra button on the admin logon screen that kicks off the email. thx -g -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ From viren at rstcorp.com Thu Dec 3 19:54:00 1998 From: viren at rstcorp.com (Viren R. Shah) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:54:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-news gatewaying Message-ID: <199812031854.NAA16579@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> [Please cc: me since I'm not subscribed to this list] I installed 1.0b6 on a Solaris 2.5.1 machine (running python 1.5.1), running a mailing list that was getting gateway'ed to a local newsgroup. I was having problems with the getting posts to the associated newsgroup relayed back to the mailing lists. Eventually the problem was tracked down to the PollNewsGroup subroutine in the GatewayManager.py script. When this is opening a pipe to the "post" script using file = os.popen("%s %s nonews" % (os.path.join(mm_cfg.SCRIPTS_DIR, "post"), self._internal_name), "w") it wouldn't work (the pipe, that is), and the "post" script would never get called. The way we currently have it workin is by calling it through the python executable: file = os.popen("%s %s nonews" % ("/usr/local/bin/python /mail/mailman/scripts/post", self._internal_name), "w") Currently the paths to python and post are hardcoded, but they don't have to be. Is this something that is a general problem, or one that is specific to our install? Thanks Viren -- Viren R. Shah, {viren @ rstcorp . com} "Hi, I'm a hero, but I can't tell you why. It's classified." -- Miles muses on one of the disadvantages of a double life (Lois McMaster Bujold, Cetaganda) From viren at rstcorp.com Thu Dec 3 20:04:09 1998 From: viren at rstcorp.com (Viren R. Shah) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:04:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error with duplicate Newsgroup headers Message-ID: <199812031904.OAA16865@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> [please cc: me on any replies] I'm currently running 1.0b6 with several lists gatewaying msgs to local newsgroups and vice versa. I just got an error message when a emailed reply was made to a posted reply to a list message (got that?). Here's the error: Dec 03 13:42:27 1998 post: Traceback (innermost last): post: File "/mail/mailman/scripts/post", line 67, in ? post: current_list.Post(msg) post: File "/mail/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1014, in Post post: self.SendMailToNewsGroup(msg) post: File "/mail/mailman/Mailman/GatewayManager.py", line 143, in SendMailToNewsGroup post: con.post(msg) post: File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 425, in post post: return self.getresp() post: File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/nntplib.py", line 132, in getresp post: raise error_temp, resp post: nntplib.error_temp : 441 Duplicate "Newsgroups" header Here's the newsserver log: Dec 3 13:43:01 newsserver nnrpd[4427]: xxxx.rstcorp.com connect Dec 3 13:43:01 newsserver nnrpd[4427]: xxxx.rstcorp.com connect Dec 3 13:43:01 newsserver nnrpd[4427]: xxxx.rstcorp.com post failed Duplicate "Newsgroups" header Dec 3 13:43:01 newsserver nnrpd[4427]: xxxx.rstcorp.com post failed Duplicate "Newsgroups" header Anyone have a fix for this? Where is the best place to check for duplicate Newsgroups header? If an existing one is found, shouldn't the new group just be appended to the same header line (unless it is the identical group), such as: [if local.bar is the newsgroup associated with the mailing list] Original Header: New Header: =============================================== Newsgroups: local.foo Newsgroups: local.foo, local.bar Newsgroups: local.bar Newsgroups: local.bar [no Newsgroups header] Newsgroups: local.bar Thanks Viren -- Viren R. Shah, {viren @ rstcorp . com} "Hi, I'm a hero, but I can't tell you why. It's classified." -- Miles muses on one of the disadvantages of a double life (Lois McMaster Bujold, Cetaganda) From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Dec 3 20:19:31 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 14:19:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot list admin password In-Reply-To: <3666D127.1F32542E@lyra.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Greg Stein wrote: > I forgot my list admin password and can't find it in my mail (for the > thread-sig at python.org). Is there a way that I can have Mailman send > it to me? (or do I have to bother Ken for the millionth time?) > > If Mailman can't send it to me, then ocnsider this a request to add the > feature. I would suggest an extra button on the admin logon screen that > kicks off the email. Mailman can't send it to you, because mailman doesn't "know" the admin (or site) passwords - it only has the encrypted versions. This is different than the individual-subscription passwords, and makes sense since the admin password is for a much more sensitive resource, and admins have closer involvement, hence more likely to keep track of the passwords (and there are a lot fewer admins than subscribers!) Greg, i can set a new password for you and contact you directly about it. Ken From darren at jasper.somtel.com Thu Dec 3 21:23:48 1998 From: darren at jasper.somtel.com (Darren Henderson) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:23:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot list admin password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Ken Manheimer wrote: > Mailman can't send it to you, because mailman doesn't "know" the admin > (or site) passwords - it only has the encrypted versions. This is I was under the impression from an earlier discussion that mmsitepas could be used to at least set the site password at any time? Perhaps there should be a similar utility for the site admin to generate new passwords for list admins. ______________________________________________________________________ Darren Henderson darren at jasper.somtel.com Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no Thu Dec 3 21:41:54 1998 From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland) Date: 03 Dec 1998 21:41:54 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot list admin password In-Reply-To: Darren Henderson's message of "Thu, 3 Dec 1998 15:23:48 -0500 (EST)" References: Message-ID: [Darren Henderson] > On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Ken Manheimer wrote: > > > Mailman can't send it to you, because mailman doesn't "know" the admin > > (or site) passwords - it only has the encrypted versions. This is > > I was under the impression from an earlier discussion that mmsitepas could > be used to at least set the site password at any time? Perhaps there > should be a similar utility for the site admin to generate new passwords > for list admins. I believe the site admin can set the admin password of any list at any time using the www interface, entering the site password in the "old password" box. However, I agree that a command line interface to more aspects of Mailman would be useful to site admins. If you know python, such command line tools should not be very hard to write yourself, though. -- Harald From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Dec 3 22:16:52 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 16:16:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] forgot list admin password In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Darren Henderson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Ken Manheimer wrote: > > > Mailman can't send it to you, because mailman doesn't "know" the admin > > (or site) passwords - it only has the encrypted versions. This is > > I was under the impression from an earlier discussion that mmsitepas could > be used to at least set the site password at any time? Perhaps there > should be a similar utility for the site admin to generate new passwords > for list admins. Actually, this is not a problem. The site password can be used (just about?) anywhere that a list admin or user password is called for - so the site admin simply visits one of the list admin pages and uses the site password to reset the list admin password. Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # From Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no Thu Dec 3 23:17:49 1998 From: Harald.Meland at usit.uio.no (Harald Meland) Date: 03 Dec 1998 23:17:49 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] private downloadable archives have Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: I'm having some problems with the downloadable versions of private archives. For lists where the archives are public, the .../mailman/listinfo/LISTNAME page refers to the archive as .../pipermail/LISTNAME. I have made /pipermail/ and Alias in my httpd-config. My httpd should be configured to treat .txt files as text/plain: $ grep -w txt $APACHEHOME/etc/apache/mime.types text/plain txt However, lists with private archives use .../mailman/private/LISTNAME for their archive link, and I think that either the ScriptAlias I have on /mailman/ or the "private" CGI script breaks the Content-Type: of the ".txt"-extended downloadable archive -- i.e. for public archives the Content-Type: is (properly) text/plain, but for private archives it is text/html. This means that when viewing the downloadable version of a private archive in a web browser, all lines are wrapped and things are not very legible. Is this due to me misconfiguring something, is it a feature, or is it a bug? -- Harald From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Dec 3 23:30:45 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:30:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation problems References: Message-ID: <13927.4373.602032.970285@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "VG" == Victoriano Giralt writes: VG> I've just downloaded mailman-1.0b6 and tryed to compile it in VG> a DEC AXP with Digital Unix, and get the following errors VG> while doing make: VG> With gcc: gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=65534 -g -O2 VG> -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS =1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 VG> -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.o -o admin VG> common.c common.c:26: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a VG> function) common.c:26: parse error before string constant VG> common.c:27: `PREFIX' undeclared here (not in a function) VG> common.c:28: `PYTHON' undeclared here (not in a function) Something is truly strange here. It looks like your system is trying to build the admin binary by compiling common.c. It shouldn't be doing that! It should be using cgi-wrapper.c to build all the CGI binaries. The common.c -> common.o compilation step should happen first and should have macros that define things like PREFIX and PYTHON. e.g. on my system: gcc -c -I. -DPREFIX="\"/export/home/mailman\"" -DPYTHON="\"/depot/sundry/plat/bin/python\"" -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.c gcc -DSCRIPT="\"admin\"" -I. -DCGI_GID=60001 -g -O2 -DHAVE_STRERROR=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYSLOG_H=1 -DGETGROUPS_T=gid_t -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 common.o -o admin cgi-wrapper.c What version of make are you running? It's possible I've got something incompatible in src/Makefile with your default make. I only have GNU make and Solaris make to test with, and the build process should complete successfully with both of those. Try making sure you're building with GNU make instead of whatever make you're using by default. If this really is the problem, we'll have to add a note to the installation instructions. Or if you can figure out the fix to Makefile.in and send us a patch, that would be best! -Barry From akuchlin at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Dec 4 17:09:23 1998 From: akuchlin at cnri.reston.va.us (Andrew M. Kuchling) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 11:09:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] private downloadable archives have Content-Type: text/html In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13928.2294.904653.615710@amarok.cnri.reston.va.us> Harald Meland writes: >However, lists with private archives use .../mailman/private/LISTNAME >for their archive link, and I think that either the ScriptAlias I have >on /mailman/ or the "private" CGI script breaks the Content-Type: of >the ".txt"-extended downloadable archive -- i.e. for public archives >the Content-Type: is (properly) text/plain, but for private archives >it is text/html. > >Is this due to me misconfiguring something, is it a feature, or is it >a bug? Bug; the private CGI script always sends text/html as the content type. It should instead look at the filename being retrieved, and send text/plain when appropriate. -- A.M. Kuchling http://starship.skyport.net/crew/amk/ My nose shall never be touched while heaven give me strength. -- Sterne, _Tristram Shandy_ From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Mon Dec 7 01:45:24 1998 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 01:45:24 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation problems In-Reply-To: <13927.4373.602032.970285@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Dec 1998, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "VG" == Victoriano Giralt writes: > > VG> I've just downloaded mailman-1.0b6 and tryed to compile it in > VG> a DEC AXP with Digital Unix, and get the following errors > VG> while doing make: [snip] > > What version of make are you running? It's possible I've got something I'm running the deafult make that comes with the operating system development tools. > > Try making sure you're building with GNU make instead of whatever make > you're using by default. > > If this really is the problem, we'll have to add a note to the > installation instructions. Or if you can figure out the fix to > Makefile.in and send us a patch, that would be best! > Thanks for the light, I've succesfully made mailman, though using a workaround. The culprit is '$<'. >From the man page: $< Represents the name of the component that is being used to make the target. Used only in conjunction with suffix rules. >From GNU make info page: `$<' The name of the first dependency. If the target got its commands from an implicit rule, this will be the first dependency added by the implicit rule (*note Implicit Rules::.). So $< wasn't beeing translated into cgi-wrapper, nor mail-wrapper. My workaround, not beeing a make guru myself, has been: As I have deduced that we always needed $< substituted for cgi-wrapper.c, that's what I did in Makefile.in: $(CGI_PROGS): $(srcdir)/cgi-wrapper.c common.o # $(CC) -DSCRIPT="\"$@\"" -I. $(CGI_FLAGS) $(CFLAGS) common.o -o $@ $< $(CC) -DSCRIPT="\"$@\"" -I. $(CGI_FLAGS) $(CFLAGS) common.o -o $@ \ cgi-wrapper.c and wrapper: $(srcdir)/mail-wrapper.c common.o # $(CC) -I. $(MAIL_FLAGS) $(CFLAGS) common.o -o $@ $< $(CC) -I. $(MAIL_FLAGS) $(CFLAGS) common.o -o $@ mail-wrapper.c The commented out lines are the original ones. Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Dec 10 22:47:51 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:47:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mail-news gatewaying References: <199812031854.NAA16579@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Message-ID: <13936.16775.733880.209489@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "VRS" == Viren R Shah writes: VRS> I was having problems with the getting posts to the VRS> associated newsgroup relayed back to the mailing VRS> lists. Eventually the problem was tracked down to the VRS> PollNewsGroup subroutine in the GatewayManager.py VRS> script. When this is opening a pipe to the "post" script VRS> using | file = os.popen("%s %s nonews" % | (os.path.join(mm_cfg.SCRIPTS_DIR, | "post"), self._internal_name), "w") VRS> it wouldn't work (the pipe, that is), and the "post" script VRS> would never get called. The way we currently have it workin VRS> is by calling it through the python executable: | file = os.popen("%s %s nonews" % | ("/usr/local/bin/python /mail/mailman/scripts/post", | self._internal_name), "w") VRS> Currently the paths to python and post are hardcoded, but VRS> they don't have to be. Is this something that is a general VRS> problem, or one that is specific to our install? I believe the problem is that scripts/post is generally *not* installed with execute bit set. You chnge will work, or you could just turn on the execute bit on the script. I'm going to install your change into the source, but I'll generalize the path calculations (and probably do some reformmatting and general cleanup of the code). Thanks. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Dec 10 22:51:55 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:51:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Error with duplicate Newsgroup headers References: <199812031904.OAA16865@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Message-ID: <13936.17019.937496.866338@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "VRS" == Viren R Shah writes: VRS> Anyone have a fix for this? Where is the best place to check VRS> for duplicate Newsgroups header? If an existing one is found, VRS> shouldn't the new group just be appended to the same header VRS> line (unless it is the identical group), such as: That sounds about right. Cees de Groot also posted a message (a long time ago, sorry Cees!) about duplicate Sender: headers. I'll add a check for both of those. However, I have a small problem with testing these changes; I don't have a local newsgroup that I can test posting to. Can anybody contribute a news server and local newsgroup I can piggyback on for an hour or so? If not, I might resort to dc.test (ouch). -Barry From nimh at morticia.ml.org Thu Dec 10 23:58:18 1998 From: nimh at morticia.ml.org (Jason Wellman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:58:18 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Users] A couple of quick questions & comments Message-ID: <000a01be2490$9466acc0$0100a8c0@nimh> First off, a big hats off and thank you to everyone who has worked on mailman. :) I love it, and intend to switch my entire mailing list load to it. But I have a couple of questions. ;) 1) When gatwaying mail to the newsgroup and the archives the prefix for the mailing list (like [mailman-users]) doesn't show up. It only shows up on delivered mail. Is there a way to get the prefix to remain on the messages? If not I would add that it might be a nice feature for future releases. ;) 2) Pipermail archiving...a question and a sugestion. First, is there anyway to make the articles in the archive assend by date? And the suggestion...a search and edit funcion. Online editing for admins is extreamly useful for public archives. :) Thanks! Great job! -- Jason Wellman From amos at aracnet.com Fri Dec 11 00:21:29 1998 From: amos at aracnet.com (Amos Latteier) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:21:29 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] options not sticking Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19981210152129.00afd6c0@mail.aracnet.com> Hi: I'm running mailman 1.0b6 on linux. Some users have complained that mailman doesn't correctly set their options, when they try to change them by sending email. For example: On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 zope-request at zope.org wrote: > **** Subject line ignored: Re: Mailman results for Zope > > >>>> set digest off tomato > Succeeded. > > >>>> options > ack: off > digest: on > hide: off > nomail: off > norcv: off > plain: on Any ideas? -Amos P.S. I'm new to mailman so excuse me if this is a stupid question. From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Dec 11 00:39:34 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:39:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] options not sticking In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981210152129.00afd6c0@mail.aracnet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Amos Latteier wrote: > I'm running mailman 1.0b6 on linux. Some users have complained that mailman > doesn't correctly set their options, when they try to change them by > sending email. > [...] > Any ideas? Better than that, just yesterday i checked in some changes that fix these problems. If you're brave, you can checkout and use the bleeding edge version of mailman, by virtue of network access to the CVS repository - see http://www.python.org/listinfo/mailman/mailman-checkins for instructions. (It so happens i was tuned into the problems because of the situation of your particular mailman site - since your subscribers don't have access to their options via the web, they have to use the mail commands interface. A real bind...) Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # Thanks for joining the PSA! # # http://www.python.org/psa/ # From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Dec 11 00:49:30 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:49:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] options not sticking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Whoops - got the URL wrong (trying to do too many things at once) - it's: http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-checkins On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Ken Manheimer wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Amos Latteier wrote: > > > I'm running mailman 1.0b6 on linux. Some users have complained that mailman > > doesn't correctly set their options, when they try to change them by > > sending email. > > [...] > > Any ideas? > > Better than that, just yesterday i checked in some changes that fix > these problems. If you're brave, you can checkout and use the bleeding > edge version of mailman, by virtue of network access to the CVS > repository - see http://www.python.org/listinfo/mailman/mailman-checkins > for instructions. > > (It so happens i was tuned into the problems because of the situation of > your particular mailman site - since your subscribers don't have access > to their options via the web, they have to use the mail commands > interface. A real bind...) > > Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 > (orporation for National Research |nitiatives > > # Thanks for joining the PSA! # > # http://www.python.org/psa/ # > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > From gottwald at inf.fu-berlin.de Sat Dec 12 23:05:31 1998 From: gottwald at inf.fu-berlin.de (Marcus C. Gottwald) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:05:31 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail-GID Message-ID: <19981212230531.33946@che> G'day! I have downloaded the sources of mailman 1.0b6, configured and "make install"ed it, but I can't get sendmail 8.9.1a to forward mail to the wrapper program. "configure" thinks it should use GID 12, which is the group "mail". This sounds and looks all right. However, when I try to send mail, it fails with an "unknown mailer error 1" and the entry in /var/log/mail says Mailman mail-wrapper: Failure to exec script. WANTED gid 12, GOT gid 2. (Reconfigure to take 2?) Group 2 is "daemon", and sendmail has got something to do with it, according to sendmail.cf. So I thought setting "--with-mail-gid=2" should at least produce a different error message. But no matter what I set the mail-gid to, the error message remains the same after recompiling and re-installing mailman. Even if I set it to something completely different like 13, the message doesn't change. I went through the archives of the list, but was unable to find a hint, so I hope someone can point out to me where I did something wrong. Thanks in advance! Marcus From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Tue Dec 15 05:23:54 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:23:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail-GID References: <19981212230531.33946@che> Message-ID: <13941.58458.10861.240144@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "MCG" == Marcus C Gottwald writes: MCG> So I thought setting "--with-mail-gid=2" should MCG> at least produce a different error message. But MCG> no matter what I set the mail-gid to, the MCG> error message remains the same after recompiling MCG> and re-installing mailman. Even if I set it to MCG> something completely different like 13, the MCG> message doesn't change. Hi Marcus! I hope I can help with the configuration issues. Just to be clear, are you sure you did a `make clean' in between re-running configure --with-mail-gid=2 and doing a `make install'? Just reconfiguring doesn't cause the wrappers to be recompiled. If you did do a `make clean' at the right time, then please send me the output of doing a fresh install (from `make clean' to configure to `make install'). You don't need to send it to the whole list. I'll see if there's anything strange going on. -Barry From gottwald at inf.fu-berlin.de Tue Dec 15 15:29:38 1998 From: gottwald at inf.fu-berlin.de (Marcus C. Gottwald) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 15:29:38 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Problem with mail-GID In-Reply-To: <13941.58458.10861.240144@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us>; Mon 1998-Dec-14 23:23:54 -0500 References: <19981212230531.33946@che> <13941.58458.10861.240144@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <19981215152938.59082@che> G'day! The problem has been fixed. This is just to let you all know what happened: Barry wrote (Mon 1998-Dec-14 23:23:54 -0500): > Hi Marcus! I hope I can help with the configuration issues. Just to > be clear, are you sure you did a `make clean' in between re-running > configure --with-mail-gid=2 and doing a `make install'? Just > reconfiguring doesn't cause the wrappers to be recompiled. I wrote to him: > I WAS sure I had done that at least some times. When I did > it this morning, I got a lot of "nothing to do"s, but when > I recompiled mailman afterwards it worked! > > It may not have worked the last time (although I had done a > "make clean") because it had been installed by user root. I > completely moved it to /home/mailman, chown'ed everything > to mailman.mailman, made clean, configured with > --with-mail-gid=2 and recompiled it. And now it works! Cheers, Marcus From shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu Thu Dec 17 02:22:11 1998 From: shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu (Amanda Shuler) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:22:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and Mailman Message-ID: I have managed to get Mailman installed on my Debian 2.0 system and I've even set up and list and got the web interface going and everything. It all looks good, except for when I go to send a mail to the list. The name of the list is "computerclub2". I am using Sendmail 8.9 Mailman 1.0b4-2 When one of my subscribed users sends a message to "computerclub2 at hostname" I get the following erros in my syslog. Dec 16 19:58:41 snafu sendmail[18501]: TAA18501: from=, size=729, class=0, pri=30729, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, relay=sparty.cse.msu.edu [35.9.26.10] Dec 16 19:58:41 snafu sendmail[18502]: TAA18502: clone TAA18501, owner=computerclub2-admin Dec 16 19:58:42 snafu sendmail[18502]: TAA18502:to=|"/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrap per post computerclub2", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 1 Dec 16 19:58:42 snafu sendmail[18502]: TAA18502: TAB18502: DSN: unknown mailer error 1 Dec 16 19:58:42 snafu sendmail[18502]: TAB18502: to=|"/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner computerclub2", delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 1 Dec 16 19:58:42 snafu sendmail[18502]: TAB18502: TAC18502: return to sender: unknown mailer error 1 Dec 16 19:58:42 snafu icmplogd: destination unreachable from localhost [127.0.0.1] Dec 16 19:58:42 snafu sendmail[18502]: TAC18502: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent Then, I get a message sent to root saying there was an "Unknown mailer error 1" and showing the message. However, the message never gets bounced back to the sender, but it never makes it to the list either. What am I doing wrong? ----------------------------------------------------- Amanda Shuler | I don't want to start any shuleram at acm.msu.edu | blasphemous rumours, but... ----------------------------------------------------- From vic at vgg.sci.uma.es Fri Dec 18 00:09:41 1998 From: vic at vgg.sci.uma.es (Victoriano Giralt) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:09:41 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail and Mailman In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Amanda Shuler wrote: > I have managed to get Mailman installed on my Debian 2.0 system and I've > even set up and list and got the web interface going and everything. > It all looks good, except for when I go to send a mail to the list. > The name of the list is "computerclub2". > I am using Sendmail 8.9 > Mailman 1.0b4-2 > > When one of my subscribed users sends a message to "computerclub2 at hostname" > I get the following erros in my syslog. > [snip] I'm not completely sure, neither any kind of mailman guru, but I have instaled six in the last three weeks, and whe I got those kind of behaviour it had always something with getting the permissions/groups wrong. Check that: - user mailman belongs also tho the group mail or whichever group you or the configure script have used for mail-gid during the compile/install. - check that sendmail executes using that uid: Og (option g) in sendmail.cf Just my 2 cents (of an euro, of course :) Victoriano Giralt Systems Programmer Central Computing Facility University of M?laga SPAIN From shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu Fri Dec 18 04:32:32 1998 From: shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu (Amanda Shuler) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:32:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! Errors in cron. Message-ID: I think these errors are related to why my mailman won't send or receive files. Does anyone out there know what this means? I got the following mailed to me from cron, after it tried to do an update job thingy. Obviously, I must have some permissions wrong somewhere. But which files do I need to change the permissions to? ---------------- /etc/cron.daily/mailman: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 73, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 28, in main list = maillist.MailList(name) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 64, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 546, in Load self.Lock() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 887, in Lock self._lock_file = posixfile.open( File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 216, in open return _posixfile_().open(name, mode, bufsize) File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 81, in open return self.fileopen(__builtin__.open(name, mode, bufsize)) IOError: (13, 'Permission denied') Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_file_' in ignored Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 37, in ? main() File "/var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 30, in main list = maillist.MailList(name) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 64, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 546, in Load self.Lock() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 887, in Lock self._lock_file = posixfile.open( File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 216, in open return _posixfile_().open(name, mode, bufsize) File "/usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 81, in open return self.fileopen(__builtin__.open(name, mode, bufsize)) IOError: (13, 'Permission denied') Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_file_' in ignored run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/mailman exited with return code 1 ------------------- I'm just terrible at reading this stuff. Can anyone else make sense of this? Here is "ls -l /usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py": -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7331 Nov 2 13:32 /usr/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py So what's wrong? :( ----------------------------------------------------- Amanda Shuler | I don't want to start any shuleram at acm.msu.edu | blasphemous rumours, but... ----------------------------------------------------- From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Dec 18 06:02:57 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:02:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP! Errors in cron. References: Message-ID: <13945.57857.164877.47917@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "AS" == Amanda Shuler writes: AS> I think these errors are related to why my mailman won't send AS> or receive files. Does anyone out there know what this means? AS> I got the following mailed to me from cron, after it tried to AS> do an update job thingy. Obviously, I must have some AS> permissions wrong somewhere. But which files do I need to AS> change the permissions to? Amanda, What version of Mailman are you using? maillist.py is pretty old! If you can possibly upgrade, please do. I have a feeling all this stuff is handled better in the latest versions. You'll want to check out the information on upgrading in the documentation that comes with the distribution. Check out www.list.org. -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Dec 18 06:40:29 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:40:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] A couple of quick questions & comments References: <000a01be2490$9466acc0$0100a8c0@nimh> Message-ID: <13945.60109.713891.549130@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "JW" == Jason Wellman writes: JW> First off, a big hats off and thank you to everyone who has JW> worked on mailman. :) I love it, and intend to switch my JW> entire mailing list load to it. Excellent! JW> But I have a couple of questions. ;) JW> 1) When gatwaying mail to the newsgroup and the archives the JW> prefix for the mailing list (like [mailman-users]) doesn't JW> show up. It only shows up on delivered mail. Is there a way JW> to get the prefix to remain on the messages? If not I would JW> add that it might be a nice feature for future releases. ;) Jason, such a good idea and so easy to add too! This will be in 1.0b7. I've done a bit of work on the gateway code so it should be more stable as well. JW> 2) Pipermail archiving...a question and a sugestion. First, JW> is there anyway to make the articles in the archive assend by JW> date? And the suggestion...a search and edit funcion. Online JW> editing for admins is extreamly useful for public archives. :) Good suggestions. I'm not sure how easy or hard it would be to reverse the sort order when sorting by date, but I agree that it's probably more useful to order it from most recent to oldest. Searching: its a big thing on my list, but probably not for 1.0. Editing is an interesting idea and I've put that on the TODO list. Thanks! -Barry From grin at tolna.net Fri Dec 18 11:46:44 1998 From: grin at tolna.net (Peter Gervai) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:46:44 +0100 Subject: [Mailman-Users] mime in pipermail? Message-ID: <19981218114644.D12496@mail.tolna.net> Hello, Is there any chance that 1.0b7 will be able to handle MIME encoded mail in the archieves (quoted printable body, iso8859-x encoded subject or other header fields)? Would make the archieve useful for non-english speaking lists... so far it's pretty unreadable (full or =20 szem=9At)... Some told that MIME deconding is alrady well written in Python (I'm just not a Pythoner, that's why I can't do it by my hands). thanks, grin From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Fri Dec 18 17:27:19 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:27:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Compilation problems References: <13927.4373.602032.970285@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Message-ID: <13946.33383.298951.264622@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "VG" == Victoriano Giralt writes: VG> The culprit is '$<'. Victoriano, Thanks for tracking this down. I've made the change to the src/Makefile.in to get rid of the $< variable (they aren't really necessary). -Barry From shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu Sat Dec 19 05:06:59 1998 From: shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu (Amanda Shuler) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:06:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yay! It's working! Message-ID: GREAT. :) Thanks for all your help. :) Now, I have one other (probably dumb question). Is there a built in "search the archives" function? Or do I need to find some other program to do that? Is so, what program should I use? Thanks. :) ----------------------------------------------------- Amanda Shuler | I don't want to start any shuleram at acm.msu.edu | blasphemous rumours, but... ----------------------------------------------------- From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Sat Dec 19 05:17:37 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:17:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yay! It's working! References: Message-ID: <13947.10465.618136.209478@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "AS" == Amanda Shuler writes: AS> GREAT. :) AS> Thanks for all your help. :) No problem! AS> Now, I have one other (probably dumb question). AS> Is there a built in "search the archives" function? AS> Or do I need to find some other program to do that? AS> Is so, what program should I use? No, there isn't any support currently for searching the archives with the bundled Pipermail archiver. I don't have any good answer for this; I doubt it'll make it into the final 1.0 release, but it's high on our list! -Barry From jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net Sat Dec 19 05:35:14 1998 From: jerrya at jerrya.fastrans.net (Jerry Adlersfluegel) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:35:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yay! It's working! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Amanda Shuler wrote: > GREAT. :) > Thanks for all your help. :) > > Now, I have one other (probably dumb question). > Is there a built in "search the archives" function? > Or do I need to find some other program to do that? > Is so, what program should I use? I was just thinking about that yesterday. I am hoping to have some time to try setting up ht://Dig. http://www.htdig.org If anyone has done this, please let me (us) know. If there are plans to roll something in, also let us know so we can save some of our effort. Thanks! -- Jerry Adlersfluegel From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Sat Dec 19 05:48:54 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:48:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Yay! It's working! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Jerry Adlersfluegel wrote: > On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Amanda Shuler wrote: > > > GREAT. :) > > Thanks for all your help. :) > > > > Now, I have one other (probably dumb question). > > Is there a built in "search the archives" function? > > Or do I need to find some other program to do that? > > Is so, what program should I use? > > I was just thinking about that yesterday. I am hoping to have some time to > try setting up ht://Dig. > > http://www.htdig.org > > If anyone has done this, please let me (us) know. If there are plans to > roll something in, also let us know so we can save some of our effort. (I believe the dragon de monsyne suggested just that - it may have been on the bobo/zope list where i saw it, but i do have the impression he or someone is having success with that... Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # From shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu Sat Dec 19 18:47:13 1998 From: shuleram at acm.cse.msu.edu (Amanda Shuler) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:47:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Syslog messages Message-ID: Umm.. why am I getting this over and over and over and over in my syslog? It's filling up my syslog. Is it an error? I can't tell. Dec 19 07:05:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28367]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) Dec 19 07:05:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28368]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) Dec 19 07:10:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28374]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) Dec 19 07:10:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28375]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) Dec 19 07:12:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28380]: (mailman) CMD (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue) Dec 19 07:12:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28381]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue) I am getting no mail sent to root or any of the admin accounts saying that theer is a problem. But I would prefer that my syslog not be filled with these messages. What's up with this? ----------------------------------------------------- Amanda Shuler | I don't want to start any shuleram at acm.msu.edu | blasphemous rumours, but... ----------------------------------------------------- From gstein at lyra.org Sat Dec 19 22:56:54 1998 From: gstein at lyra.org (Greg Stein) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:56:54 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Syslog messages References: Message-ID: <367C2126.C4F654E@lyra.org> That is just cron telling you that it is running a command. It logs all commands that it runs, and I'm not sure that it can be turned off. If you aren't gatewaying to a newsgroup, then you can modify your crontab to remote Mailman's gate_news. That would mean fewer things will be posted to the log. As part of your general system maintenance, those logs should be rotated. I also notice that "root" seems to be running some mailman commands. That doesn't seem right. Did you accidentally try to set up mailman's crontab while you were root? -g Amanda Shuler wrote: > > Umm.. why am I getting this over and over and over and over in my syslog? > It's filling up my syslog. > Is it an error? I can't tell. > > Dec 19 07:05:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28367]: (mailman) CMD > (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) > Dec 19 07:05:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28368]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python > /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) > Dec 19 07:10:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28374]: (mailman) CMD > (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) > Dec 19 07:10:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28375]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python > /var/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news) > Dec 19 07:12:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28380]: (mailman) CMD > (/usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue) > Dec 19 07:12:00 snafu /USR/SBIN/CRON[28381]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/python > /var/lib/mailman/cron/run_queue) > > I am getting no mail sent to root or any of the admin accounts saying that > theer is a problem. But I would prefer that my syslog not be filled with > these messages. > > What's up with this? > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Amanda Shuler | I don't want to start any > shuleram at acm.msu.edu | blasphemous rumours, but... > ----------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users at python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users -- Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/ From klm at cnri.reston.va.us Sat Dec 19 23:27:30 1998 From: klm at cnri.reston.va.us (Ken Manheimer) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 17:27:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] Syslog messages In-Reply-To: <367C2126.C4F654E@lyra.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Dec 1998, Greg Stein wrote: > That is just cron telling you that it is running a command. It logs all > commands that it runs, and I'm not sure that it can be turned off. (I believe the syslog configuration file - /etc/syslog.conf, on solaris - is the avenue to change that, if it's what you really want - the default configuration on my machines doesn't log cron activations, for instance.) Ken Manheimer klm at python.org 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives # If you appreciate Python, consider joining the PSA! # # . # From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Wed Dec 30 23:59:28 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:59:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] mailman silently fails References: <002b01be1d65$98e269b0$65181bd8@sabine.ivc.com> Message-ID: <13962.45136.84122.847799@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> >>>>> "BC" == Brad Crittenden writes: BC> today i installed mailman with minimal problems on a solaris BC> box. i did have to manually change BC> /home/mailman/archives/public to 'chmod g+x' in order to allow BC> some archival functions. I'd like to hear more about this. You shouldn't have to hack any permissions unless you're upgrading from an older version of Mailman (and in that case you should run bin/upgrade). BTW, what version of Mailman are you now running? BC> also, i misconfigured a list for news posting (forgot to put BC> the newsgroup name) and this caused mailman to silently BC> failed. the posts were placed in the archive but they weren't BC> sent to the list and, of course, they didn't get posted. BC> perhaps the order should be changed so that the email gets BC> distributed before the other tasks happen. Thanks for the bug report. I'll bet if you look at the logs/error file, you'll see a Python traceback indicating the error. But I agree that it's bogus that the message doesn't get delivered to the mailing list; I've fixed this for the next version. BC> also, it would be good if the list admin were notified when BC> failures like that occur. and, while i'm at it, i guess BC> newsgroup posting should not be enabled if a newsgroup isn't BC> specified. Such errors show up in the log files, but it might still be a good idea to send the list owner a message about the misconfiguration. I'll see about that. BC> regardless, it is a great tool and i really appreciate it. Thanks! We're trying... -Barry From bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us Thu Dec 31 23:54:41 1998 From: bwarsaw at cnri.reston.va.us (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:54:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Mailman-Users] [ANNOUNCE] Mailman 1.0b7 Message-ID: <13964.177.459126.902326@anthem.cnri.reston.va.us> Folks, I've built the tarball for the Mailman 1.0b7 release, however since John appears to be not reading his email during the holiday season, the Web pages at www.list.org have not yet been updated. For now, you can grab the tarball from ftp://ftp.python.org/pub/tmp/mailman-1.0b7.tgz and we'll get the Web site updated ASAP. Below is an excerpt from the DONE file which gives some highlights for this release. My hope is that y'all will bang on this version in the next week or two and, if there are no showstoppers, we can get the full 1.0 release out by mid-January. Given the holiday season, a couple of weeks late isn't so bad! Let me also say that we've got a huge backlog of very good suggestions, contributions, ideas, etc. and on behalf of the other 3 core developers I thank you and encourage you to continue giving feedback. I've spent most of the last 10 days on vacation just trudging through 400-odd messages that I'd accumulated, and I think 1.0b7 fixes most of the really nasty bugs that have been reported up until now. What I haven't done is spend much time adding new features and I don't expect to until after 1.0 final is released. I firmly believe we need to get a stable 1.0 out RRSN, then we can begin to prioritize the new features for 1.1. High on my list is internationalization and an improved Web navigation interface. Longer term, I'm looking at Zope as a possible platform for Mailman. I know John, Ken, and Scott all have their priorities too. Big thanks go to those guys, and especially Scott Cotton, for their work on this release. Enjoy, and have a Happy New Year. -Barry -------------------- snip snip -------------------- 1.0b7 - Many, many bug fixes. Some performance improvements for large lists. Some improvements in the Web interfaces. Some security improvements. Improved compatibility with Python 1.5. - bin/convert_list and bin/populate_new_list have been replaced by bin/add_members. - Admins can now get notification on subscriptions and unsubscriptions. Post are now logged. - The username portion of email addresses are now case-preserved for delivery purposes. All other address comparisions are case-insensitive. - New default SMTP_MAX_RCPTS that limits the number of "RCPT TO" SMTP commands that can be given for a single message. Most MTAs have some hard limit. - "Precedence: bulk" header and "List-id:" header are now added to all outgoing messages. The latter is not added if the message already has a "List-id:" header. See RFC 2046 and draft-chandhok-listid-02 for details. - The standard (as of Python 1.5.2) smtplib.py is now used. - The install process now compiles all the .py files in the installation. - Versions of the Mailman papers given at IPC7 and LISA-98 are now included. From manojit at mymcomm.com Thu Dec 31 20:32:44 1998 From: manojit at mymcomm.com (Manojit) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:02:44 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me Message-ID: <001801be34f4$5728aa60$9100a8c0@megh1> HI, 1.>I have installed mailman on my server, I've created a list, changed aliases, run newaliases and typed http://mailman.com.mymcomm.com/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi on the browser, which is showing no publicly advertised list available.But when I clicked "the list admin overview page " link it shows me the list I created as publicly advertised list. Why the listname is not showing by listinfo.cgi? 2>On accesing the listinfo.cgi page I'm getting a line as "(Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.)". But I want to change the link as my domain name, how to do that. I've added the necessary things to mm_cfg.py file and changed aliases file also, but it is not working. -Manojit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990101/cc766f55/attachment.htm From manojit at mymcomm.com Thu Dec 31 19:53:24 1998 From: manojit at mymcomm.com (Manojit) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 00:23:24 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help me Message-ID: <004101be34ee$dba46f00$9100a8c0@megh1> HI, 1.>I have installed mailman on my server, I've created a list, changed aliases, run newaliases and typed http://mailman.com.mymcomm.com/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi on the browser, which is showing no publicly advertised list available.But when I clicked "the list admin overview page " link it shows me the list I created as publicly advertised list. Why the listname is not showing by listinfo.cgi? 2>On accesing the listinfo.cgi page I'm getting a line as "(Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.)". But I want to change the link as my domain name, how to do that. I've added the necessary things to mm_cfg.py file and changed aliases file also, but it is not working. -Manojit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/attachments/19990101/460cb795/attachment.html From manojit at mymcomm.com Thu Dec 31 21:51:22 1998 From: manojit at mymcomm.com (Manojit) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:21:22 +0530 Subject: [Mailman-Users] help me Message-ID: <00aa01be34ff$53239be0$9100a8c0@megh1> HI, 1.>I have installed mailman on my server, I've created a list, changed aliases, run newaliases and typed http://mailman.com.mymcomm.com/cgi-bin/listinfo.cgi on the browser, which is showing no publicly advertised list available.But when I clicked "the list admin overview page " link it shows me the list I created as publicly advertised list. Why the listname is not showing by listinfo.cgi? 2>On accesing the listinfo.cgi page I'm getting a line as "(Send questions and comments to mailman-owner at localhost.localdomain.)". But I want to change the link as my domain name, how to do that. I've added the necessary things to mm_cfg.py file and changed aliases file also, but it is not working. -Manojit