From cickumqt at gmail.com  Sat Apr 28 06:55:55 2012
From: cickumqt at gmail.com (Christopher Meng)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:55:55 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Looking for the coordinator of zh_cn mailmani18n.
Message-ID: <CAHcXnBEb5Q7myTHhdktqYHoxuA0uwZfzq+RyvCf=yhEDbxB8Ew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,I'm new here.I just want to translate mailman into
Chinese(Simplified),so I'm looking for Leona
(http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Languages)

Thanks.

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From barry at python.org  Sun Apr 29 03:50:27 2012
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:50:27 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Looking for the coordinator of zh_cn mailmani18n.
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On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Christopher Meng wrote:

>Hi,I'm new here.I just want to translate mailman into
>Chinese(Simplified),so I'm looking for Leona
>(http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Languages)

We currently don't have a very good translation story for Mailman 3.  While
all the good coding standards are still in place (i.e. translated template
lookup, gettext style strings in source code), what is missing is extraction
and uploading of catalogs, downloading language packs, etc.

Unfortunately, this is not something I have time to work on right now.  Maybe
someone in the mailman-i18n community can take a look at our options, the
pluses and minuses, and give us a report.

Here are the options I know about:

 - Launchpad translations.  Pros: free software, project already hosted there.
   Cons: our source tree layout isn't compatible with their model, and I'm not
   sure how to handle our templates.

 - Transifex.net.  Pros: open source, demo looked very nice at Pycon, has an
   API that may integrate better with our workflow.  Cons (maybe): Unsure of
   the best way to utilize the site, how many translators do they have?

 - translatewiki.net.  Pros: open source (I think), had some discussion with
   their developers back in January.  Cons: is wiki a good fit for translating
   Mailman?  May have some problems ensuring FSF requirements for
   contributions.

 - Pootle and similar.  Cons: I really don't want *us* running any translation
   service; too hard to babysit based on our resources.

What else is out there?

-Barry

From jeremy at tuxmachine.com  Mon Apr 30 23:23:41 2012
From: jeremy at tuxmachine.com (Jeremy Baron)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Looking for the coordinator of zh_cn mailmani18n.
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Hi,

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 21:50, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:
>  - translatewiki.net.  Pros: open source (I think),

GPLv2 or later. But a lot of what you get by using TWN is not in the software
itself, but in the community and staff that exists on the site. If you run your
own copy you won't necessarily get the same kind of community and staff to go
with it.

>   had some discussion with
>   their developers back in January.  Cons: is wiki a good fit for translating
>   Mailman?

Why not? ;)

I don't do any translation myself and have only used the interface for ~5 mins
over a month ago so read with grains of salt. (i.e. I may be saying something
false or wrong)

It is a wiki and the strings are stored as wiki pages. It might be possible to
edit those strings as individual wiki pages, I'm not sure. But there's an
ajaxy, dynamic interface for translators and surely the vast majority of online
translations use that.
(there's also the option to download strings in bulk and do translations with
an offline tool and then automatically import them to the wiki. but online
translation is preferred to offline and I think is more commonly used. anyway,
if for some reason a particular user doesn't like the web interface they might
be able to continue using the same tools they use now for the actual
translation, just the checkout/checkin process would be different)

You should talk to some of the existing users of TWN directly to see about
their experience with it and get some of the existing mailman translators to
try it out with any project that already uses TWN. (just register and do some
translations for an hour)

>   May have some problems ensuring FSF requirements for
>   contributions.

I discussed this with the FSF again on Tuesday (6 days ago). There's been some
progress off and on with getting the FSF to approve the use of TWN. Was stalled
recently because there were other things distracting them but now they're
working on it again. I should have another update from them within ~8 days from
now.

-Jeremy