From marcoscostales at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 17:41:17 2009
From: marcoscostales at gmail.com (Marcos)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:41:17 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Asturian translation for Mailman
Message-ID: <e63cb1000912070841o3c23483qa8339b3070c1dc73@mail.gmail.com>

Hi! We translated Mailman 2.1.12 to the Asturian language.

You can download the files (messages & templates) here: http://bit.ly/4FAgWC

Can you upload this translation to the upstream, please?

Thanks very much!! :)




On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Marcos wrote:
>>
>>Can you create the asturian language here:
>>http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Languages, please? Thanks very
>>much!!!
>>Best regards.
>
>
> I have added an entry for Asturian. I did not link to your email or add
> any additional info. If you want that, you can let me know or if you
> wish, I can register you as a user of the wiki and give you edit
> privileges.
>
> I'm sorry that wiki registration is such a pain, but we've had serious
> issues with wiki spam and this is the only way we know to effectively
> control it.
>
>
>>PS: I read here: http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/i18nhowto in "Where
>>your translation lives":
>>"...In /messages, there should be an /xx directory for each language
>>supported, where xx is your ISO-639 language code..."
>>Our language code has 3 letters (ast) :O Is this a problem? Maybe must
>>I create a bug for this?
>
>
> Your 3-letter language code is not a problem.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec  7 18:49:56 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:49:56 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Asturian translation for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <e63cb1000912070841o3c23483qa8339b3070c1dc73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952009120709495607502785d266@msapiro>

Marcos wrote:

>Hi! We translated Mailman 2.1.12 to the Asturian language.
>
>You can download the files (messages & templates) here: http://bit.ly/4FAgWC
>
>Can you upload this translation to the upstream, please?


I have got your files and I will install them for the 2.1.13 release.

I have some issues:

The encoding of the mailman.po is declared as iso-8859-1 and this
appears to be correct. It also appears that at least some of the
templates are iso-8859-1, but having looked at just a few, it seems
that at least adminsubscribeack.txt is utf-8 encoded. It doesn't
matter what the encoding is, although utf-8 is preferred, but
everything must be the same encoding.

Also just looking at the first two html templates, I see things like
"%%28detailsurl%29s" and "%%28summaryurl%29s". These need to be
"%(detailsurl)s" and "%(summaryurl)s". The html escaping of the ()
characters will break the substitution of those variables. This
escaping does not seem to be universal, even within one template, and
I can probably fix it programatically, so this is not major, but I do
need every file to be encoded the same.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec  8 05:56:36 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:56:36 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Asturian translation for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <PC1952009120709495607502785d266@msapiro>
Message-ID: <PC19520091207205636010923be30d1@msapiro>

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>The encoding of the mailman.po is declared as iso-8859-1 and this
>appears to be correct. It also appears that at least some of the
>templates are iso-8859-1, but having looked at just a few, it seems
>that at least adminsubscribeack.txt is utf-8 encoded. It doesn't
>matter what the encoding is, although utf-8 is preferred, but
>everything must be the same encoding.


Upon further examination it seems that adminsubscribeack.txt is the
only utf-8 encoded template. I re-encoded it as iso-8859-1 so now
everything appears to be iso-8859-1.


>Also just looking at the first two html templates, I see things like
>"%%28detailsurl%29s" and "%%28summaryurl%29s". These need to be
>"%(detailsurl)s" and "%(summaryurl)s". The html escaping of the ()
>characters will break the substitution of those variables.


It turns out only (, ), < and > were html escaped and only in href=
strings. This is understandable, but in this case  these characters
are part of the syntax of substitutions so they should not be escaped
and the substituted strings will be OK. I fixed these and I also used
a script of mine to convert the non-ascii characters in html templates
to html entities.


Also, apparently, in an attempt to make valid XHTML, you have added
numerous end tags. E.g. where the English subscribe.html template has

<MM-Results>
<MM-Mailman-Footer>

yours has

<mm-results>
<mm-mailman-footer>

</mm-mailman-footer></mm-results>

Since the tags </mm-mailman-footer> and </mm-results> are not known to
Mailman, this will cause the HTML generated from the template to
contain the results followed by the footer followed by the two
extraneous end tags. Thus, while your templates look valid, the actual
HTML generated from them is not.

I have also run transcheck and fixed several errors: here are the
remaining ones:

HTML checking templates/ast/admlogin.html...
   I fixed an error in this template, but my fix needs to be translated
HTML checking templates/ast/archidxhead.html...
 - Too much %(listname)s
TXT  checking templates/ast/invite.txt...
 - Too few %(listname)s
HTML checking templates/ast/listinfo.html...
 - Too few <mm-digest-question-start>
 - Too few <mm-list-name>
 - Too few <mm-digest-question-end>
HTML checking templates/ast/options.html...
 - Too few <mm-presentable-user>
 - Too few <mm-list-name>
TXT  checking templates/ast/postack.txt...
   I fixed an error in this template, but my fix needs to be translated
TXT  checking templates/ast/probe.txt...
 - %(password)s was not found
HTML checking templates/ast/subscribe.html...
 - Too few <mm-list-name>
PO   checking messages/ast/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po...
 - near line 1045 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1219']: Too few %(adminurl)s
 - near line 1575 ['Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:362']: Too few %(listname)s
 - near line 7841 ['Mailman/MailList.py:1010']: %(realname)s was not
found
 - near line 11187 ['bin/update:688']: Too few %(listname)s

I have attached po.diff.txt showing the changes I made to mailman.po.

The changes I made to the templates include removing the extraneous
</mm-*> tags, changing non-ascii characters to html entities in html
templates and fixing the erroneously escaped '(', ')', '<' and '>'
characters. This leaves the transcheck errors above.

The translation has been installed to the 2.1 branch on launchpad
although it still needs a few tweaks.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From marcoscostales at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 12:41:45 2009
From: marcoscostales at gmail.com (Marcos)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:41:45 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Asturian translation for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <PC19520091207205636010923be30d1@msapiro>
References: <PC1952009120709495607502785d266@msapiro>
	<PC19520091207205636010923be30d1@msapiro>
Message-ID: <e63cb1000912080341w937dfdg30ff9595f0cc40fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark! First of all: Thanks very much for your support and help!!
and my apologies by the mistakes in the files. We used a HTML editor,
and I didn't review the files.

I reviewed all templates, and I fixed it. Can you do a quick review
and upload these templates, please?
You can download the review templates from here: http://bit.ly/8iTBKb

Thanks very much! :D


On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>
>>The encoding of the mailman.po is declared as iso-8859-1 and this
>>appears to be correct. It also appears that at least some of the
>>templates are iso-8859-1, but having looked at just a few, it seems
>>that at least adminsubscribeack.txt is utf-8 encoded. It doesn't
>>matter what the encoding is, although utf-8 is preferred, but
>>everything must be the same encoding.
>
>
> Upon further examination it seems that adminsubscribeack.txt is the
> only utf-8 encoded template. I re-encoded it as iso-8859-1 so now
> everything appears to be iso-8859-1.
>
>
>>Also just looking at the first two html templates, I see things like
>>"%%28detailsurl%29s" and "%%28summaryurl%29s". These need to be
>>"%(detailsurl)s" and "%(summaryurl)s". The html escaping of the ()
>>characters will break the substitution of those variables.
>
>
> It turns out only (, ), < and > were html escaped and only in href=
> strings. This is understandable, but in this case ?these characters
> are part of the syntax of substitutions so they should not be escaped
> and the substituted strings will be OK. I fixed these and I also used
> a script of mine to convert the non-ascii characters in html templates
> to html entities.
>
>
> Also, apparently, in an attempt to make valid XHTML, you have added
> numerous end tags. E.g. where the English subscribe.html template has
>
> <MM-Results>
> <MM-Mailman-Footer>
>
> yours has
>
> <mm-results>
> <mm-mailman-footer>
>
> </mm-mailman-footer></mm-results>
>
> Since the tags </mm-mailman-footer> and </mm-results> are not known to
> Mailman, this will cause the HTML generated from the template to
> contain the results followed by the footer followed by the two
> extraneous end tags. Thus, while your templates look valid, the actual
> HTML generated from them is not.
>
> I have also run transcheck and fixed several errors: here are the
> remaining ones:
>
> HTML checking templates/ast/admlogin.html...
> ? I fixed an error in this template, but my fix needs to be translated
> HTML checking templates/ast/archidxhead.html...
> ?- Too much %(listname)s
> TXT ?checking templates/ast/invite.txt...
> ?- Too few %(listname)s
> HTML checking templates/ast/listinfo.html...
> ?- Too few <mm-digest-question-start>
> ?- Too few <mm-list-name>
> ?- Too few <mm-digest-question-end>
> HTML checking templates/ast/options.html...
> ?- Too few <mm-presentable-user>
> ?- Too few <mm-list-name>
> TXT ?checking templates/ast/postack.txt...
> ? I fixed an error in this template, but my fix needs to be translated
> TXT ?checking templates/ast/probe.txt...
> ?- %(password)s was not found
> HTML checking templates/ast/subscribe.html...
> ?- Too few <mm-list-name>
> PO ? checking messages/ast/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po...
> ?- near line 1045 ['Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1219']: Too few %(adminurl)s
> ?- near line 1575 ['Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py:362']: Too few %(listname)s
> ?- near line 7841 ['Mailman/MailList.py:1010']: %(realname)s was not
> found
> ?- near line 11187 ['bin/update:688']: Too few %(listname)s
>
> I have attached po.diff.txt showing the changes I made to mailman.po.
>
> The changes I made to the templates include removing the extraneous
> </mm-*> tags, changing non-ascii characters to html entities in html
> templates and fixing the erroneously escaped '(', ')', '<' and '>'
> characters. This leaves the transcheck errors above.
>
> The translation has been installed to the 2.1 branch on launchpad
> although it still needs a few tweaks.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec  8 21:35:08 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 12:35:08 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Asturian translation for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <e63cb1000912080341w937dfdg30ff9595f0cc40fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC1952009120812350804063fa8e75e@msapiro>

Marcos wrote:

>Hi Mark! First of all: Thanks very much for your support and help!!
>and my apologies by the mistakes in the files. We used a HTML editor,
>and I didn't review the files.
>
>I reviewed all templates, and I fixed it. Can you do a quick review
>and upload these templates, please?


Marcos,

Everything looks good except for one thing. The postack.txt template is
as follows:

El to mensax tocante a:

    %(subject)s

distribuy?se de mou correutu a la llista %(listname)s.

P?xina d'informaci?n de la llista: %(listinfo_url)s
Your preferences: %(optionsurl)s


I added the last line which was missing in your original. The phrase
"Your preferences" still needs to be translated.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From marcoscostales at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 23:52:18 2009
From: marcoscostales at gmail.com (Marcos)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:52:18 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Asturian translation for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <PC1952009120812350804063fa8e75e@msapiro>
References: <e63cb1000912080341w937dfdg30ff9595f0cc40fb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<PC1952009120812350804063fa8e75e@msapiro>
Message-ID: <e63cb1000912081452i2a302de8l7f642d30f5f2a5d8@mail.gmail.com>

Ups, sorry very much! I forgot it :$
Fixed ;) You can download here this revision 2: http://bit.ly/7FsJJM
Thanks very much Mark :D
Best regards :)

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> wrote:
> Marcos wrote:
>
>>Hi Mark! First of all: Thanks very much for your support and help!!
>>and my apologies by the mistakes in the files. We used a HTML editor,
>>and I didn't review the files.
>>
>>I reviewed all templates, and I fixed it. Can you do a quick review
>>and upload these templates, please?
>
>
> Marcos,
>
> Everything looks good except for one thing. The postack.txt template is
> as follows:
>
> El to mensax tocante a:
>
> ? ?%(subject)s
>
> distribuy?se de mou correutu a la llista %(listname)s.
>
> P?xina d'informaci?n de la llista: %(listinfo_url)s
> Your preferences: %(optionsurl)s
>
>
> I added the last line which was missing in your original. The phrase
> "Your preferences" still needs to be translated.
>
> --
> Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net> ? ? ? ?The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, California ? ?better use your sense - B. Dylan
>
>

From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Dec  9 00:29:30 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:29:30 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Asturian translation for Mailman
In-Reply-To: <e63cb1000912081452i2a302de8l7f642d30f5f2a5d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <PC195200912081529300875322e4bc9@msapiro>

Marcos wrote:

>Ups, sorry very much! I forgot it :$
>Fixed ;) You can download here this revision 2: http://bit.ly/7FsJJM


Changes have been pushed to Launchpad.

Thanks very much for your contribution. I should be releasing 2.1.13rc1
very soon.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Dec 14 20:35:13 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:35:13 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman 2.1.13rc1 released
Message-ID: <4B269371.2070102@msapiro.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

I am happy to announce the first release candidate of Mailman 2.1.13.

Mailman 2.1.13 is a bug fix release and contains a new localization for
the Asturian language.

Python 2.4 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.5.or 2.6 is recommended.

See the changelog at <https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/2.1.13rc1> for
more details.

Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and
e-newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and
SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites.

For more information, please see:

http://www.list.org
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman

Mailman 2.1.13 can be downloaded from

https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/

Note to translators:

The mailman.pot is up to date in this release and has been merged with
the individual message catalogs. If possible, please review your
translations and submit any changes before December 21 if you want to
get them in the 2.1.13 final release.

- --
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Dec 22 20:02:18 2009
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:02:18 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman 2.1.13 released
Message-ID: <4B3117BA.9080108@msapiro.net>

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I am happy to announce the final release  of Mailman 2.1.13.

Mailman 2.1.13 is a bug fix release and contains a new localization for
the Asturian language.

Python 2.4 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.5.or 2.6 is recommended.

See the changelog at <https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/2.1.13> for
more details.

Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and
e-newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and
SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites.

For more information, please see:

http://www.list.org
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman

Mailman 2.1.13 can be downloaded from

https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/
http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/

- -- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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