From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr  5 19:10:32 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:10:32 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman 2.1.10 final release schedule.
In-Reply-To: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>

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For translators who haven't yet updated their translations for 2.1.10
and for other interested parties, I plan to release a 2.1.10 release
candidate on April 14, 2008 and barring any issues with the RC, the
2.1.10 final on April 21, 2008.

Note to translators - the latest mailman.pot for the 2.1 branch is at
<https://code.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1>. The SVN
repository on sourceforge is no longer maintained and is out of date.

One way to get your updated translation to me is to register on
launchpad and make your own private branch off the 2.1 branch, update
your branch and publish it and send me a note when it's ready. Then I
can just merge your branch back into the 2.1 branch.

Of course, if you prefer, you can just send me your updated message
catalog and templates if any or make them available anywhere on the web
and tell me where to find them.

- --
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From barry at list.org  Sat Apr  5 20:50:51 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:50:51 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Announce] Mailman 2.1.10 final release
	schedule.
In-Reply-To: <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net> <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <5EC9708A-A3D7-4AE2-A2EE-23E1DBE074B7@list.org>

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On Apr 5, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> For translators who haven't yet updated their translations for 2.1.10
> and for other interested parties, I plan to release a 2.1.10 release
> candidate on April 14, 2008 and barring any issues with the RC, the
> 2.1.10 final on April 21, 2008.

Sounds great, Mark.  Thanks!
- -Barry

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From barry at list.org  Wed Apr  9 05:14:12 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 23:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Announce] Updated
	message catalogs needed for Mailman 2.1.10
In-Reply-To: <90B310F8-E15B-46ED-AE64-DA2A67637B70@riverland.net.au>
References: <47D31C99.10103@msapiro.net>
	<Pine.A41.4.58.0803100949150.782356@beluga.user.services.metu.edu.tr>
	<p06240800c3fb93a0f72f@[192.168.1.199]>
	<90B310F8-E15B-46ED-AE64-DA2A67637B70@riverland.net.au>
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On Mar 12, 2008, at 5:07 AM, Clytie Siddall wrote:
>
> On 11/03/2008, at 12:11 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/08, liste yoneticisi wrote:
>>
>>> (An explanation to all: I just asked if there is anyone who
>>> responsible for Turkish translation of Mailman, attended to these
>>> lists
>>> from Turkiye.)
>>
>> This is a question that is better asked on the mailman-i18n mailing
>> list.  That's where all the Internationalization folks should be
>> hanging out.
>
> I'd definitely vote for Pootle. It's free software, and gives you
> complete control of access, plus syncing with source control
> (including bzr, AFAIK). Its developers are extremely responsive to
> admin or user needs.

Clytie,

I would like to set this up for Mailman 2.2 and 3.0.  Could you or  
another volunteer outline what it would take to get a Pootle instance  
running for us?  Is there some service that we can piggyback on?   
Would anybody out there be willing and able to run a reliable Pootle  
server for us?

- -Barry

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From mark at msapiro.net  Tue Apr 15 00:47:53 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:47:53 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman 2.1.10rc1 has been released
In-Reply-To: <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net> <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>

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I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10rc1.

This is a security and bug fix release and it is highly recommended
that all sites upgrade to this version. Mailman 2.1.10 also adds support
for three new language translations, Galician, Hebrew and Slovak and a
few new features.

Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and e-
newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and
SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites.

For more information, including download links, please see:

http://www.list.org
http://mailman.sf.net
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman

Special thanks are due to Barry Warsaw and Tokio Kikuchi for much coding
and support, Moritz Naumann for help with security issues and Jim
Tittsler for a significant patch.

Here's a list of the major changes.

Note in particular, the second item under Security as this is new since
2.1.10b4 and requires an mm_cfg.py change to maintain current behavior.


Security

- - The 2.1.9 fixes for CVE-2006-3636 were not complete.  In particular,
~  some potential cross-site scripting attacks were not detected in
~  editing templates and updating the list's info attribute via the web
~  admin interface.  This has been assigned CVE-2008-0564 and has been
~  fixed.  Thanks again to Moritz Naumann for assistance with this.

- - There is a new mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable
~  OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS which controls whether the list
~  owner can change a member's password from the member's options page.
~  This defaults to No and should be changed to Yes only if list owners
~  are trusted to not change a member's password, log in as the member
~  and make global membership changes.

New Features

- - Changed cmd_who.py to list all members if authorization is with the
~  list's admin or moderator password and to accept the password if the
~  roster is public.  Also changed the web roster to show hidden members
~  when authorization is by site or list's admin or moderator password
~  (1587651).

- - Added the ability to put a list name in accept_these_nonmembers
~  to accept posts from members of that list (1220144).

- - Added a new 'sibling list' feature to exclude members of another list
~  from receiving a post from this list if the other list is in the To:
~  or Cc: of the post or to include members of the other list if that
~  list is  not in the To: or Cc: of the post (Patch ID 1347962).

- - Added the admin_member_chunksize attribute to the admin General
~  Options interface (Bug 1072002, Partial RFE 782436).

Internationalization

- - Added the Hebrew translation from Dov Zamir.  This includes addition
~  of a direction ('ltr', 'rtl') to the LC_DESCRIPTIONS table.  The
~  add_language() function defaults direction to 'ltr' to not break
~  existing mm_cfg.py files.

- - Added the Slovak translation from Martin Matuska.

- - Added the Galician translation from Frco. Javier Rial Rodr?guez.


Changes since 2.1.10b4 include the OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS
setting mentioned above plus

- - Changed cmd_subscribe.py to properly accept (no)digest without a
~  password and to recognize (no)digest and address= case insensitively.

- - An updated mm-handler (mm-handler-2.1.10) that can help reduce
~  backscatter has been added to the contrib directory.

and updates to the Italian and Polish translations.

- --
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From liuban at maceo.ijv.sld.cu  Tue Apr 15 23:16:30 2008
From: liuban at maceo.ijv.sld.cu (Liuban Martinez Montero)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:16:30 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] hola people
Message-ID: <1208294190.12225.9.camel@localhost>

que hay hermanos tengo un problemas necesito que alguien me envie un
manual de como isnstalar un servidor de correos (Maildir)en debian 

si alguien me puede ayudar en esto se lo agradeceria....  


From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr 21 21:50:01 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:50:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released
In-Reply-To: <4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net> <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>

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I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.

This is a security and bug fix release and it is highly recommended
that all sites upgrade to this version. Mailman 2.1.10 also adds support
for three new language translations, Galician, Hebrew and Slovak and a
few new features.

Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and e-
newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and
SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites.

For more information, including download links, please see:

http://www.list.org
http://mailman.sf.net
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman

Special thanks are due to Barry Warsaw and Tokio Kikuchi for much coding
and support, Moritz Naumann for help with security issues and Jim Tittsler
for a significant patch.

Here's a list of the major changes.

Security

- - The 2.1.9 fixes for CVE-2006-3636 were not complete.  In particular,
some potential cross-site scripting attacks were not detected in
editing templates and updating the list's info attribute via the web
admin interface.  This has been assigned CVE-2008-0564 and has been
fixed.  Thanks again to Moritz Naumann for assistance with this.

- - There is a new mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable
OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS which controls whether the list
owner can change a member's password from the member's options page.
This defaults to No and should be changed to Yes only if list owners
are trusted to not change a member's password, log in as the member
and make global membership changes.

Note: If you are not ready to upgrade, patches for these two issues
are available at
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
in the 2.1.9 file list.

New Features

- - Changed cmd_who.py to list all members if authorization is with the
list's admin or moderator password and to accept the password if the
roster is public. Also changed the web roster to show hidden members
when authorization is by site or list's admin or moderator password
(1587651).

- - Added the ability to put a list name in accept_these_nonmembers
to accept posts from members of that list (1220144).

- - Added a new 'sibling list' feature to exclude members of another list
from receiving a post from this list if the other list is in the To: or
Cc: of the post or to include members of the other list if that list is
not in the To: or Cc: of the post (Patch ID 1347962).

- - Added the admin_member_chunksize attribute to the admin General Options
interface (Bug 1072002, Partial RFE 782436).

Internationalization

- - Added the Hebrew translation from Dov Zamir. This includes addition of
a direction ('ltr', 'rtl') to the LC_DESCRIPTIONS table. The
add_language() function defaults direction to 'ltr' to not break
existing mm_cfg.py files.

- - Added the Slovak translation from Martin Matuska.

- - Added the Galician translation from Frco. Javier Rial Rodr?guez.


- --
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From mark at msapiro.net  Mon Apr 21 21:50:01 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:50:01 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released
In-Reply-To: <4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net> <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>

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I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.

This is a security and bug fix release and it is highly recommended
that all sites upgrade to this version. Mailman 2.1.10 also adds support
for three new language translations, Galician, Hebrew and Slovak and a
few new features.

Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and e-
newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and
SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites.

For more information, including download links, please see:

http://www.list.org
http://mailman.sf.net
http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman

Special thanks are due to Barry Warsaw and Tokio Kikuchi for much coding
and support, Moritz Naumann for help with security issues and Jim Tittsler
for a significant patch.

Here's a list of the major changes.

Security

- - The 2.1.9 fixes for CVE-2006-3636 were not complete.  In particular,
some potential cross-site scripting attacks were not detected in
editing templates and updating the list's info attribute via the web
admin interface.  This has been assigned CVE-2008-0564 and has been
fixed.  Thanks again to Moritz Naumann for assistance with this.

- - There is a new mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable
OWNERS_CAN_CHANGE_MEMBER_PASSWORDS which controls whether the list
owner can change a member's password from the member's options page.
This defaults to No and should be changed to Yes only if list owners
are trusted to not change a member's password, log in as the member
and make global membership changes.

Note: If you are not ready to upgrade, patches for these two issues
are available at
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
in the 2.1.9 file list.

New Features

- - Changed cmd_who.py to list all members if authorization is with the
list's admin or moderator password and to accept the password if the
roster is public. Also changed the web roster to show hidden members
when authorization is by site or list's admin or moderator password
(1587651).

- - Added the ability to put a list name in accept_these_nonmembers
to accept posts from members of that list (1220144).

- - Added a new 'sibling list' feature to exclude members of another list
from receiving a post from this list if the other list is in the To: or
Cc: of the post or to include members of the other list if that list is
not in the To: or Cc: of the post (Patch ID 1347962).

- - Added the admin_member_chunksize attribute to the admin General Options
interface (Bug 1072002, Partial RFE 782436).

Internationalization

- - Added the Hebrew translation from Dov Zamir. This includes addition of
a direction ('ltr', 'rtl') to the LC_DESCRIPTIONS table. The
add_language() function defaults direction to 'ltr' to not break
existing mm_cfg.py files.

- - Added the Slovak translation from Martin Matuska.

- - Added the Galician translation from Frco. Javier Rial Rodr?guez.


- --
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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From brad at shub-internet.org  Mon Apr 21 23:28:16 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released
In-Reply-To: <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net>
	<47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
	<480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <480D06F0.5020009@shub-internet.org>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.

Now running on mail.python.org.  Please let us know if there are any problems.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>

From brad at shub-internet.org  Mon Apr 21 23:28:16 2008
From: brad at shub-internet.org (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:28:16 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released
In-Reply-To: <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net>
	<47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
	<480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <480D06F0.5020009@shub-internet.org>

Mark Sapiro wrote:

> I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.

Now running on mail.python.org.  Please let us know if there are any problems.

-- 
Brad Knowles <brad at shub-internet.org>
LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu>
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From barry at list.org  Tue Apr 22 00:31:41 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:31:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.10 has been
	released
In-Reply-To: <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net> <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net> <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
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On Apr 21, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.

Congratulations Mark!  Long live Mailman 2.2. :)

I will update the web sites.

- -Barry

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From barry at list.org  Tue Apr 22 00:33:17 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:33:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released
In-Reply-To: <480D06F0.5020009@shub-internet.org>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net>
	<47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
	<480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net> <480D06F0.5020009@shub-internet.org>
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On Apr 21, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.
>
> Now running on mail.python.org.  Please let us know if there are any  
> problems.

Wow, awesome Brad.  Thanks!

- -Barry

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From barry at list.org  Tue Apr 22 00:31:41 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:31:41 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman
	2.1.10 has been	released
In-Reply-To: <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net> <47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>
	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net> <480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <4AD99A70-A16F-4E0B-8F06-D1F00FAD3257@list.org>

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On Apr 21, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.

Congratulations Mark!  Long live Mailman 2.2. :)

I will update the web sites.

- -Barry

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From barry at list.org  Tue Apr 22 00:33:17 2008
From: barry at list.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:33:17 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released
In-Reply-To: <480D06F0.5020009@shub-internet.org>
References: <47D9E26E.4040708@msapiro.net>
	<47F7B288.6020801@msapiro.net>	<4803DF19.3030406@msapiro.net>
	<480CEFE9.5000008@msapiro.net> <480D06F0.5020009@shub-internet.org>
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On Apr 21, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.
>
> Now running on mail.python.org.  Please let us know if there are any  
> problems.

Wow, awesome Brad.  Thanks!

- -Barry

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From clytie at riverland.net.au  Tue Apr 22 16:23:39 2008
From: clytie at riverland.net.au (Clytie Siddall)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:53:39 +0930
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Using Pootle
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Hi everyone :)

I'm very sorry I haven't been able to answer this earlier.

On 27/03/2008, at 12:24 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
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> On Mar 12, 2008, at 5:07 AM, Clytie Siddall wrote:
>>
>> On 11/03/2008, at 12:11 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/10/08, liste yoneticisi wrote:
>>>
>>>> (An explanation to all: I just asked if there is anyone who
>>>> responsible for Turkish translation of Mailman, attended to these
>>>> lists
>>>> from Turkiye.)
>>>
>>> This is a question that is better asked on the mailman-i18n mailing
>>> list.  That's where all the Internationalization folks should be
>>> hanging out.
>>
>> I'd definitely vote for Pootle. It's free software, and gives you
>> complete control of access, plus syncing with source control
>> (including bzr, AFAIK). Its developers are extremely responsive to
>> admin or user needs.
>
> Hi Clytie,
>
> So would you recommend that we run our own Pootle server or use one  
> of the public Pootle servers that already exist.  The former is  
> problematic since we don't really have the resources or machines to  
> host such a server.  I looked at the official Pootle server  
> documentation and while they list a few projects that they host,  
> they don't appear to have formal published policy about how they  
> accept new projects.  I would guess that they'd be likely to accept  
> a GPL'd project like Mailman.

The only projects on the main Pootle are really there for  
experimentation. They don't have the resources to host projects, which  
is a great pity. I think it would encourage smaller projects to give  
it a try.
>
>
> The other listed public Pootle servers seem to be focused on  
> particular projects, so I'm not sure there's a different existing  
> service that would host us.

They have all been set up for specific projects, but you never know,  
they might have room for another one. However, your next mail follows  
on to that, please see below.
>
>
> We would need some mechanisms and policy for ensuring that  
> translators who contribute to Mailman all have the necessary FSF  
> copyright assignments.  We want to avoid getting in situations where  
> some languages aren't assigned and others are.

In order to use Pootle, your admin has to grant you access. So we can  
check if a translator has signed the FSF copyright disclaimer before  
granting access.

Also, you can set specific goals, and assign translators to specific  
strings or groups of strings. Pootle is very configurable, and gives  
you control of what happens, and who does what. That is really key to  
ensuring quality of translation.
>
>
> I'd like to have some ability for cross-project pollination.  The  
> idea being that it's good to have Vietnamese experts who contribute  
> to lots of open source projects,  and can learn about Mailman, with  
> an easy way to share translations across projects. I don't know if  
> that's a typical way translators work though, or if they would find  
> it a benefit to have such a system.

I agree with you, and I've been trying to work out some way we can  
cross-pollinate effectively. As it is, I meet the same people on a lot  
of the i18n mailing lists, but there's no coordination of all that  
skill and interest. The Translate Wiki, which is associated with  
Pootle, tries to create central resources for translators. Maybe we  
could work out something with the Wordforge people.
>
>
> Sync'ing from Bazaar would be very cool!

You bet. Guess who asked for it? :D

The cool thing was that they implemented it immediately! That sort of  
developer response is really valuable.
>
>
> Do any other translators have additional comments?
>

> On Apr 9, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Crist?bal Palmer wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 11:14:12PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>>>
>>> Would anybody out there be willing and able to run a reliable Pootle
>>> server for us?
>>
>> ibiblio can very likely host it. Please contact me off-list.

Yay!! Good host.
>>
>
> Hi Cristobal, this would be very cool.  I'm Cc'ing Clytie who is  
> heading up i18n for Mailman and lots more experience than I do.
>
> What would we need to do to set this up?

OK, there's lots of info on how to run and use Pootle here:

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/index

If there's any info that you can't find, or any other problems, please  
ask on the Pootle mailing list (details at the address above). The  
devs are very helpful.

Using Pootle is a really good step, because it removes a lot of the  
barriers to participation in transation. All a translator needs is a  
browser and a Net connection, and s/he can do a few strings at any  
time, from anywhere. You can also do part, or all of your work offline  
sometimes or always, if you prefer: Pootle is a tool provided to give  
you more choices, not less.

For offline editing, Linux and Windows [1] translators can also try  
the new Wordforge editor (cousin to Pootle), Pootling:

http://www.khmeros.info/drupal/?q=en/download/Translation_Editor

I've had good feedback on it from some new translators. :)

from Clytie

Vietnamese Free Software Translation Team
http://vnoss.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:l10n

[1] Mac translators (like me) can use LocFactoryEditor, a seriously  
cool and intuitive piece of software:
http://www.triplespin.com/en/products/locfactoryeditor.html
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From mark at msapiro.net  Wed Apr 23 17:12:47 2008
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:12:47 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
| I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10.


I have discovered a few problems with the release. None is a major show
stopper, but the most significant so far is that I broke cmd_subscribe
so that email subscribe to the -subscribe or -join address or the
- -request address with a bare 'subscribe' command results in the message
being shunted. A patch for this is attached, but I plan to make a patch
release probably next week.

- --
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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