From linux at zamirfamily.com  Wed Mar  7 09:27:30 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:27:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
Message-ID: <45EE7772.6060207@zamirfamily.com>

Hi All,

Just joined this list, and am intersted in adding Hebrew support.
Where can I find all the information I need to add the support?


Dov Zamir.

From msapiro at value.net  Wed Mar  7 16:15:22 2007
From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:15:22 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
In-Reply-To: <45EE7772.6060207@zamirfamily.com>
Message-ID: <PC1760200703070715220140d6e8b4a2@msapiro>

Dov Zamir wrote:
>
>Just joined this list, and am intersted in adding Hebrew support.
>Where can I find all the information I need to add the support?

You can start at
<http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Internationalization>.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <msapiro at value.net>       The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan


From info at janveuger.com  Fri Mar  9 20:36:12 2007
From: info at janveuger.com (Jan Veuger)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:36:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] wrong conjugation of a verb in dutch translation
	of Mailman (digest mail)
In-Reply-To: <4582B693.4090103@UGent.be>
Message-ID: <45F1C53C.31189.29FF36B@localhost>

Dieter Adriaenssens wrote: 

> The mail sent to the digest-subscribers of a mailinglist, contains a 
> wrong conjugation in the dutch version of the mail: 

I will deal with this matter separately from this mailinglist, as they are  
only of interest to the dutch translators. 

Jan Veuger 
Dutch translation 
http://www.janveuger.com/mailman

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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Wed Mar 14 20:30:30 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:30:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] want to test run translation
Message-ID: <45F84D56.8040404@zamirfamily.com>

Hi fellow translators,

I have reached the stage in my Hebrew translation where I would now like
to test run my work. I already have Mailman installed from an RPM on my
FC6 server with Sendmail, and would like to replace the present
configuration with the one including my translation.

Does anyone have a recipe for compilng Mailman so that it will correctly
replace the RPM installation?

Any other suggestions from your own experience?

TIA
Dov.

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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Tue Mar 20 15:54:04 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:54:04 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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> Dov Zamir wrote:
>>
>>Just joined this list, and am intersted in adding Hebrew support.
>>Where can I find all the information I need to add the support?
>
> You can start at
> <http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Internationalization>.

Hi Mark,

I have now finished translating the Mailman package to Hebrew, although I
am certain that there are still many errors. In any case, I understand
that I should send the translation on to you. Do I do this on or off list?

Also, is there a way I can see the results of  my translation? Can I
compile Mailman with Hebrew support enabled?

I tried to compile the package that I downloaded, but it complianed that
it was unable to import Korean:-(

TIA

Dov Zamir
>
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From peruus at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 14:24:21 2007
From: peruus at gmail.com (Pertti Uusiluoto)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:24:21 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Broblem?
Message-ID: <da2b4e070703210624s2fbd7b0ahee4e8ca1eaecf633@mail.gmail.com>

That it

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From barry at python.org  Wed Mar 21 18:23:58 2007
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:23:58 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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Hi Dov,

On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Dov Zamir wrote:

> I have now finished translating the Mailman package to Hebrew,  
> although I
> am certain that there are still many errors. In any case, I understand
> that I should send the translation on to you. Do I do this on or  
> off list?

It's probably best to open a patch issue on SourceForge and attach  
your .po file to the patch.  Then send a link to that issue here.   
One of us will pull it into svn from there.

> Also, is there a way I can see the results of  my translation? Can I
> compile Mailman with Hebrew support enabled?

You can.  There's a few things you'll need to do to make your  
translations available to you (we should really make this much  
easier).  You'll have to add an entry for it in Defaults.py.in --  
just cargo cult it in from one of the other languages, changing the  
language code and charset as appropriate.

You'll need to add the directory structure until messages (and  
possibly templates too, if you've translated them) and then update  
the Makefile.in's to include Hebrew's language code.  Put your .po  
file in the right place, then re-run ./configure; make; make install.

Let us know if you get stuck anywhere.  I can probably try to pay  
attention to the #mailman channel on irc.freenode.net to walk you  
through it if you want.

> I tried to compile the package that I downloaded, but it complianed  
> that
> it was unable to import Korean:-(

Blech.  What version of Python are you using?  I would suggest 2.4.4  
and then you won't need those add-on codecs.

Cheers,
- -Barry

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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Wed Mar 21 20:44:22 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:44:22 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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????? Barry Warsaw:
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> Hi Dov,
>
> On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Dov Zamir wrote:
>
>> I have now finished translating the Mailman package to Hebrew, 
>> although I
>> am certain that there are still many errors. In any case, I understand
>> that I should send the translation on to you. Do I do this on or off 
>> list?
>
> It's probably best to open a patch issue on SourceForge and attach 
> your .po file to the patch. Then send a link to that issue here. One 
> of us will pull it into svn from there.
OK, Will do. I just want to see how it looks first, and get rid of any 
obvious bads.
>
>> Also, is there a way I can see the results of my translation? Can I
>> compile Mailman with Hebrew support enabled?
>
> You can. There's a few things you'll need to do to make your 
> translations available to you (we should really make this much 
> easier). You'll have to add an entry for it in Defaults.py.in -- just 
> cargo cult it in from one of the other languages, changing the 
> language code and charset as appropriate.
>
> You'll need to add the directory structure until messages (and 
> possibly templates too, if you've translated them) and then update the 
> Makefile.in's to include Hebrew's language code. Put your .po file in 
> the right place, then re-run ./configure; make; make install.
>
> Let us know if you get stuck anywhere. I can probably try to pay 
> attention to the #mailman channel on irc.freenode.net to walk you 
> through it if you want.

OK, thanks. I missed the makefiles part myself. Fixed now.
>
>> I tried to compile the package that I downloaded, but it complianed that
>> it was unable to import Korean:-(
>
> Blech. What version of Python are you using? I would suggest 2.4.4 and 
> then you won't need those add-on codecs.
I do have Python 2.4.4 - but it still complains. Can I just import the 
Korean? If so, how?
>
> Cheers,
> - -Barry
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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Wed Mar 21 21:27:40 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:27:40 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
In-Reply-To: <232F5C14-C9B8-4025-996F-73077C89BA6F@python.org>
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Hi Barry,
????? Barry Warsaw:
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> Hi Dov,
>
> On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Dov Zamir wrote:
>
>> I have now finished translating the Mailman package to Hebrew, 
>> although I
>> am certain that there are still many errors. In any case, I understand
>> that I should send the translation on to you. Do I do this on or off 
>> list?
>
> It's probably best to open a patch issue on SourceForge and attach 
> your .po file to the patch. Then send a link to that issue here. One 
> of us will pull it into svn from there.
>
>> Also, is there a way I can see the results of my translation? Can I
>> compile Mailman with Hebrew support enabled?
>
> You can. There's a few things you'll need to do to make your 
> translations available to you (we should really make this much 
> easier). You'll have to add an entry for it in Defaults.py.in -- just 
> cargo cult it in from one of the other languages, changing the 
> language code and charset as appropriate.
>
> You'll need to add the directory structure until messages (and 
> possibly templates too, if you've translated them) and then update the 
> Makefile.in's to include Hebrew's language code. Put your .po file in 
> the right place, then re-run ./configure; make; make install.
>
> Let us know if you get stuck anywhere. I can probably try to pay 
> attention to the #mailman channel on irc.freenode.net to walk you 
> through it if you want.
>
>> I tried to compile the package that I downloaded, but it complianed that
>> it was unable to import Korean:-(
>
> Blech. What version of Python are you using? I would suggest 2.4.4 and 
> then you won't need those add-on codecs.
A little more investigation shows that there is script under 
.../mailman/bin called paths.py, which explicitly imports Korean and 
Japanese.
Here's the error message:

Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
import paths
File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 60, in ?
import korean
ImportError: No module named korean
make: *** [update] 1 ????

(Sorry for the Hebrew)

>
>
> Cheers,
> - -Barry
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From barry at python.org  Wed Mar 21 21:39:13 2007
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:39:13 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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Hi Dov,

On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Dov Zamir wrote:

> A little more investigation shows that there is script under .../ 
> mailman/bin called paths.py, which explicitly imports Korean and  
> Japanese.
> Here's the error message:
>
> Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
> import paths
> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 60, in ?
> import korean
> ImportError: No module named korean
> make: *** [update] 1 ????

Look carefully higher up in your build output.  Did you get errors  
while trying to build those codecs?  You could always just disable  
those (comment them out) from paths.py.in, since you probably won't  
need them.  Be sure to re-run configure; make; make install if you do  
though.

> (Sorry for the Hebrew)

Unfortunately, Mail.app apparently can't show the Hebrew to me, which  
is too bad 'cause I'd love to see it!

- -Barry


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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Wed Mar 21 21:51:04 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:51:04 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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????? Barry Warsaw:
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> Hi Dov,
>
> On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Dov Zamir wrote:
>
>> A little more investigation shows that there is script under 
>> .../mailman/bin called paths.py, which explicitly imports Korean and 
>> Japanese.
>> Here's the error message:
>>
>> Compiling /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>> File "bin/update", line 46, in ?
>> import paths
>> File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/paths.py", line 60, in ?
>> import korean
>> ImportError: No module named korean
>> make: *** [update] 1 ????
>
> Look carefully higher up in your build output. Did you get errors 
> while trying to build those codecs? You could always just disable 
> those (comment them out) from paths.py.in, since you probably won't 
> need them. Be sure to re-run configure; make; make install if you do 
> though.
Yes, that's exactly what I did. I got it compiled. Will continue 
tommorow (it's getting too late to start something like this). Thanks 
for your help.
>
>> (Sorry for the Hebrew)
>
> Unfortunately, Mail.app apparently can't show the Hebrew to me, which 
> is too bad 'cause I'd love to see it!
>
> - -Barry
>
>
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From barry at python.org  Wed Mar 21 22:34:14 2007
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:34:14 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dov Zamir wrote:

> ????? Barry Warsaw:
>>
> Yes, that's exactly what I did. I got it compiled. Will continue  
> tommorow (it's getting too late to start something like this).  
> Thanks for your help.

Cool.  And I see the Hebrew this time! :)  What's pretty interesting  
though is that Mail.app displayed that first line with the Hebrew  
text to the right of my name, but when it included the quote, it  
switched those two.  I'm not actually sure which one is correct.

- -Barryh

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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Thu Mar 22 06:24:08 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:24:08 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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????? Barry Warsaw:
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> On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dov Zamir wrote:
>
>> ????? Barry Warsaw:
>>>
>> Yes, that's exactly what I did. I got it compiled. Will continue 
>> tommorow (it's getting too late to start something like this). Thanks 
>> for your help.
>
> Cool.  And I see the Hebrew this time! :)  What's pretty interesting 
> though is that Mail.app displayed that first line with the Hebrew text 
> to the right of my name, but when it included the quote, it switched 
> those two.  I'm not actually sure which one is correct.
>
> - -Barryh
Correct would be to the left of your name. It came back to me displayed 
correctly.

Dov.
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From barry at python.org  Thu Mar 22 16:16:55 2007
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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On Mar 22, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Dov Zamir wrote:

> ????? Barry Warsaw:
>> Cool.  And I see the Hebrew this time! :)  What's pretty  
>> interesting though is that Mail.app displayed that first line with  
>> the Hebrew text to the right of my name, but when it included the  
>> quote, it switched those two.  I'm not actually sure which one is  
>> correct.
>>
>>
> Correct would be to the left of your name. It came back to me  
> displayed correctly.

Very interesting.  I guess that's a bug in Mail.app.

- -Barry

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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Fri Mar 23 14:32:28 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:32:28 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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Hi Barry,

Here are the bads:

1) There is no "natural" way to get web pages that do not have an 
explicit <BODY...> directive to display RTL without changing some code.
2) Command line scripts show up backwards and LTR.

To slove 1), I can add a piece of code to htmlformat.py to either read a 
new variable called dir from the .po file, and default to dir="ltr" if 
it isn't defined, or explicitly change it to dir="rtl" if language is 
"he". How did they solve this in Arabic?
One workaround that I used is to add WEB_BG_COLOR = 'white\" dir=\"rtl' 
in mm_cfg.py, but it works globally, and changes the direction of pages 
in any language.

Solving 2) is much more complicated. I may have to either leave the 
scripts in English, or enter the text backwards. Seems that entering 
text backwards will be painstaking to enter extremely dificult to 
maintain, but not impossible. Again, how did they solve this in Arabic?

Does anybody listening have a suggestion?


-Dov-
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From barry at python.org  Fri Mar 23 15:01:31 2007
From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:01:31 -0400
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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Hi Dov,

On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Dov Zamir wrote:

> 1) There is no "natural" way to get web pages that do not have an  
> explicit <BODY...> directive to display RTL without changing some  
> code.
> 2) Command line scripts show up backwards and LTR.
>
> To slove 1), I can add a piece of code to htmlformat.py to either  
> read a new variable called dir from the .po file, and default to  
> dir="ltr" if it isn't defined, or explicitly change it to dir="rtl"  
> if language is "he". How did they solve this in Arabic?

'dir' is a variable in the .po file?  I like the former solution  
better because it is more general.  I don't know which other  
languages than Hebrew and Arabic are rtl, but if the standard  
approach is to define this in the .po file, then I think that's where  
we should be reading that out of.  I don't want to have to special  
case any languages if possible.

A clean patch to fix this should be accepted into Mailman 2.1 (the  
svn trunk probably will generate web pages in a totally different  
way, so only patch that if you feel like it).

> One workaround that I used is to add WEB_BG_COLOR = 'white\" dir= 
> \"rtl' in mm_cfg.py, but it works globally, and changes the  
> direction of pages in any language.
>
> Solving 2) is much more complicated. I may have to either leave the  
> scripts in English, or enter the text backwards. Seems that  
> entering text backwards will be painstaking to enter extremely  
> dificult to maintain, but not impossible. Again, how did they solve  
> this in Arabic?

Neither of those solutions seems very good.  Unfortunately, I don't  
have any good suggestions.  Perhaps if no one here can help you can  
contact the Python i18n-sig to see if anyone there has better  
suggestions.  I can also ask around on the Canonical lists to see if  
any Rosetta experts have suggestions.  Can you provide a few  
standalone examples?

- -Barry

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From linux at zamirfamily.com  Fri Mar 23 16:02:00 2007
From: linux at zamirfamily.com (Dov Zamir)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:02:00 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support
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????? Barry Warsaw:
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> Hi Dov,
>
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Dov Zamir wrote:
>
>> 1) There is no "natural" way to get web pages that do not have an 
>> explicit <BODY...> directive to display RTL without changing some code.
>> 2) Command line scripts show up backwards and LTR.
>>
>> To slove 1), I can add a piece of code to htmlformat.py to either 
>> read a new variable called dir from the .po file, and default to 
>> dir="ltr" if it isn't defined, or explicitly change it to dir="rtl" 
>> if language is "he". How did they solve this in Arabic?
>
> 'dir' is a variable in the .po file? I like the former solution better 
> because it is more general. I don't know which other languages than 
> Hebrew and Arabic are rtl, but if the standard approach is to define 
> this in the .po file, then I think that's where we should be reading 
> that out of. I don't want to have to special case any languages if 
> possible.
>
> A clean patch to fix this should be accepted into Mailman 2.1 (the svn 
> trunk probably will generate web pages in a totally different way, so 
> only patch that if you feel like it).
'dir' is not, at the moment there. I was asking if we could add it. I 
can do the coding and send in a diff. It's a general solution, and has 
been done before.
Thai is also RTL. I beleive these three are the only RTL languages.
>
>
>> One workaround that I used is to add WEB_BG_COLOR = 'white\" 
>> dir=\"rtl' in mm_cfg.py, but it works globally, and changes the 
>> direction of pages in any language.
>>
>> Solving 2) is much more complicated. I may have to either leave the 
>> scripts in English, or enter the text backwards. Seems that entering 
>> text backwards will be painstaking to enter extremely dificult to 
>> maintain, but not impossible. Again, how did they solve this in Arabic?
>
> Neither of those solutions seems very good. Unfortunately, I don't 
> have any good suggestions. Perhaps if no one here can help you can 
> contact the Python i18n-sig to see if anyone there has better 
> suggestions. I can also ask around on the Canonical lists to see if 
> any Rosetta experts have suggestions. Can you provide a few standalone 
> examples?
What kind of examples do you need? Every script I run is an example. Do 
you want a screenshot?
>
> - -Barry
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From peruus at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 06:29:49 2007
From: peruus at gmail.com (Pertti Uusiluoto)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:29:49 +0300
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] =?iso-8859-1?q?Miksi_minun_pit=E4=E4_l=E4het=E4=E4?=
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From gabriel at nce.ufrj.br  Tue Mar 20 19:04:33 2007
From: gabriel at nce.ufrj.br (Gabriel P. Silva)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:04:33 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mistake in Brazilian Portuguese Translation
Message-ID: <1174412637.19775.6.camel@mare>

Dears,

   In the administration interface, within  "Op??es de Privacidade..."
the field "Avisar esta lista quando pessoas perguntarem que listas est?o
nesta m?quina?" should be "Divulgar o nome desta lista quando algu?m
perguntar que listas existem nesta m?quina?". 

Regards,

Gabriel P. Silva