From db@bibsys.no  Mon Nov  5 14:01:59 2001
From: db@bibsys.no (Daniel Buchmann)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 15:01:59 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Broken entry
Message-ID: <3BE69BD7.BBA5C671@bibsys.no>

Now that changing admin/moderator password is on its own page (the "Passwords"
page), the following paragraph should probably be rewritten, because specifying
moderator addresses is still on the "General options" page.

Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:1052 reads:

"[...] <p>In order to split the list ownership duties into administrators and
moderators, you must set a separate moderator password in the fields below,
and also provide the email addresses of the list moderators in the section
above."


-Daniel,
Norwegian translator.


From barry@zope.com  Mon Nov  5 23:13:03 2001
From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:13:03 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Broken entry
References: <3BE69BD7.BBA5C671@bibsys.no>
Message-ID: <15335.7423.287991.685897@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DB" == Daniel Buchmann <db@bibsys.no> writes:

    DB> Now that changing admin/moderator password is on its own page
    DB> (the "Passwords" page), the following paragraph should
    DB> probably be rewritten, because specifying moderator addresses
    DB> is still on the "General options" page.

Done, thanks.


From db@bibsys.no  Tue Nov  6 16:56:05 2001
From: db@bibsys.no (Daniel Buchmann)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 17:56:05 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Some entries are not translated...
Message-ID: <3BE81625.A8DA41AF@bibsys.no>

Anyone been able to get the translation for the following entries appear?
I only get the english text all the time, no matter the language setting of the
list...

- the message appended to the "moderated post waiting" mail, sent to the list
moderator.
  Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:246

- Reasons for posts being held or subscription requests
  Examples:
    Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py:33
      ("Post by a moderated member")
    Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:60
      ("Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator.")



I also think these entries should be separated:

Mailman/Cgi/create.py:128 bin/newlist:131

because one is destined for the web, the other for the command line.
Can't use HTML entities for both...



-Daniel,
 Norwegian translator.


From barry@zope.com  Tue Nov  6 23:28:26 2001
From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 18:28:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Some entries are not translated...
References: <3BE81625.A8DA41AF@bibsys.no>
Message-ID: <15336.29210.61321.854041@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DB" == Daniel Buchmann <db@bibsys.no> writes:

    DB> Anyone been able to get the translation for the following
    DB> entries appear?  I only get the english text all the time, no
    DB> matter the language setting of the list...

    DB> - the message appended to the "moderated post waiting" mail,
    DB> sent to the list moderator.  Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:246

    DB> - Reasons for posts being held or subscription requests
    |   Examples:
    |     Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py:33
    |       ("Post by a moderated member")
    |     Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:60
    |       ("Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator.")

Both these work for me. ;/

    DB> I also think these entries should be separated:

    DB> Mailman/Cgi/create.py:128 bin/newlist:131

    DB> because one is destined for the web, the other for the command
    DB> line.  Can't use HTML entities for both...

I'll add a dummy "<!-- ignore -->" suffix to the web version.

-Barry


From db@bibsys.no  Wed Nov  7 00:03:30 2001
From: db@bibsys.no (Daniel Buchmann)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 01:03:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Some entries are not translated...
References: 15336.29210.61321.854041@anthem.wooz.org
Message-ID: <3BE87A52.567CEDC6@bibsys.no>

"Barry A. Warsaw" wrote:
> 
> >>>>> "DB" == Daniel Buchmann <db@bibsys.no> writes:
> 
>     DB> Anyone been able to get the translation for the following
>     DB> entries appear?  I only get the english text all the time, no
>     DB> matter the language setting of the list...
> 
>     DB> - the message appended to the "moderated post waiting" mail,
>     DB> sent to the list moderator.  Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:246
> 
>     DB> - Reasons for posts being held or subscription requests
>     |   Examples:
>     |     Mailman/Handlers/Moderate.py:33
>     |       ("Post by a moderated member")
>     |     Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:60
>     |       ("Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator.")
> 
> Both these work for me. ;/

oops, sorry, my mistake... works now...


*hides in the corner*


From barry@zope.com  Wed Nov  7 00:24:33 2001
From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 19:24:33 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Some entries are not translated...
References: <3BE87A52.567CEDC6@bibsys.no>
Message-ID: <15336.32577.241459.678405@anthem.wooz.org>

>>>>> "DB" == Daniel Buchmann <db@bibsys.no> writes:

    DB> oops, sorry, my mistake... works now...

Phew!

    DB> *hides in the corner*

don't-worry-Norway-is-too-far-away-and-I-hate-to-f-ly y'rs,
-Barry


From news@bcn3net.com  Wed Nov  7 19:43:24 2001
From: news@bcn3net.com (BCN Ltd)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:43:24 -0000
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Software Development £10 per hour!
Message-ID: <E161Ybt-0005aQ-00@mail.python.org>

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From tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp  Tue Nov 13 02:39:43 2001
From: tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:39:43 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Language/Country code question
Message-ID: <3BF087EF.6B7E2C13@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>

Hi,

I have a question on the messages/templates directory naming.

Somewhere on the net, I learned that LOCALE should be a combination of
Language/Country with a form of la_CO with the country part optional.

So, there should be zh_TW and zh_CN instead of big5 and gb.
Am I right?

A chinese student of our university started translation and this
question arose to us.

TIA for your consideration.

--
Tokio


From max.yu@turbolinux.com.cn  Tue Nov 13 02:54:49 2001
From: max.yu@turbolinux.com.cn (Max Yu)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:54:49 +0800
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From loewis@informatik.hu-berlin.de  Tue Nov 13 09:07:20 2001
From: loewis@informatik.hu-berlin.de (Martin von Loewis)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:07:20 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Language/Country code question
In-Reply-To: <3BF087EF.6B7E2C13@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> (message from Tokio Kikuchi
 on Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:39:43 +0900)
References: <3BF087EF.6B7E2C13@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <200111130907.fAD97KU00868@paros.informatik.hu-berlin.de>

> Somewhere on the net, I learned that LOCALE should be a combination of
> Language/Country with a form of la_CO with the country part
> optional.

That is common, indeed. See below for the relevance of encodings,
though.

> 
> So, there should be zh_TW and zh_CN instead of big5 and gb.
> Am I right?

Not sure what mailman is doing, however, either appears to be wrong,
based on the following rationale:

- a locale/catalog should not, per se, be based on the
  encoding. Instead, at run-time, the program should convert from one
  encoding to another. Is it true that big5 and gb can be converted
  forth and back for all practical purposes?

- The locales zh_TW and zh_CN may differ, but the catalogs should
  *only* differ if the translations are actually different. There is
  no point in duplicating work if the Chinese and the Taiwanese
  translator come up with the same translation (perhaps in a different
  encoding).

If you want to put the encoding into a locale, it normally goes after
the country, i.e. zh_TW.big5 and zh_CN.gb; other combinations should
also be possible, like zh_TW.gb or zh_CN.UTF-8.

Regards,
Martin


From max.yu@turbolinux.com.cn  Tue Nov 13 09:26:51 2001
From: max.yu@turbolinux.com.cn (Max Yu)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:26:51 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Language/Country code question
References: <3BF087EF.6B7E2C13@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <200111130907.fAD97KU00868@paros.informatik.hu-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <3BF0E75B.E95B9F89@turbolinux.com.cn>

Martin von Loewis wrote:

> Not sure what mailman is doing, however, either appears to be wrong,
> based on the following rationale:
> 
> - a locale/catalog should not, per se, be based on the
>   encoding. Instead, at run-time, the program should convert from one
>   encoding to another. Is it true that big5 and gb can be converted
>   forth and back for all practical purposes?
> 
> - The locales zh_TW and zh_CN may differ, but the catalogs should
>   *only* differ if the translations are actually different. There is
>   no point in duplicating work if the Chinese and the Taiwanese
>   translator come up with the same translation (perhaps in a different
>   encoding).
> 
> If you want to put the encoding into a locale, it normally goes after
> the country, i.e. zh_TW.big5 and zh_CN.gb; other combinations should
> also be possible, like zh_TW.gb or zh_CN.UTF-8.
>

Usally we use zh_TW.Big5, zh_CN.GB2312 and zh_CN.GB18030 if put the
encoding
into a locale.

Best Regards
Max


From Anthony.Dupret@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr  Wed Nov 28 14:50:42 2001
From: Anthony.Dupret@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr (Anthony Dupret)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:50:42 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] How must I install the language pack
Message-ID: <3C04F9C2.80947E37@sxb.bsf.alcatel.fr>

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Hello !

I've just downloaded the language pack for mailman. If someone knows
what I should exactly do to install it, he can help me !
There is no explanation about this in the documentation...
Thanks.

Anthony Dupret

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<p>I've just downloaded the language pack for mailman. If someone knows
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<br>There is no explanation about this in the documentation...
<br>Thanks.
<p>Anthony Dupret
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