From neuner@futureweb.at Sat Aug 4 17:29:30 2001 From: neuner@futureweb.at (Futureweb.at - Patrick Neuner) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 18:29:30 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] german Message-ID: hi, is anyone already doing the translation for german? otherwise we might do it, as i saw the translation-pack, we don't need any code knowlege, right? thanks patrick neuner neuner@futureweb.at ************** Futureweb St. Johann info@futureweb.at "I am easily satisfied by the very best" - Winston Churchill From Daniel.Buchmann@bibsys.no Sun Aug 5 13:02:20 2001 From: Daniel.Buchmann@bibsys.no (Daniel Buchmann) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 14:02:20 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] A few questions and some suggestions Message-ID: <3B6D35CC.AFE0AA7D@bibsys.no> I've almost completed the norwegian translation for mailman-1.2a2. I will soon merge message.pot for mailman-1.2a3 with my message.po, but I want to finish message.po for the mailman-1.2a2 version first. But I need a little help with a few strings, because I don't know what they're being used for or where they appear. (Which is essential to know to be able to translate them). If someone could help me out, it would be great. What I would like to know is where these strings appear, and how to produce them. (e.g. what to do to make them appear in the context they are supposed to appear) 1. #: Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py:276 msgid "Reloading pickled archive state" 2. #: Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py:303 msgid "Pickling archive state into " 3. #: Mailman/Bouncer.py:220 msgid "BUT: %(succeeded)s" 4. #: Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:311 msgid "No valid variable details request not found: %(path_info)s" (I didn't really understand this one, is this a typo?) 5. #: Mailman/Handlers/Acknowledge.py:57 msgid "%(realname)s post acknowledgement" I now have have 763 translated strings in my message.po :) I'm skipping all docstrings and the strings for bin/pygettext.py. I'm also wondering how to make translated strings appear when running any of the commands in /bin. When I run e.g. check_perms, I still get "No problems found", not my translated norwegian string... And I have some suggestions/questions about some of the strings in message.po (my examples are for 2.1a2, some of these have been moved to other files in 2.1a3): 1. These two strings are the same, right? #: Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py:411 msgid "%(origsender)s isn't subscribed to this list." and #: Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py:436 msgid "%(origsender)s is not subscribed to this list." Maybe one of these could be chosen, so the same string is used both places? (In norwegian, for example, the translation of these to strings would be the same.) 2. Mailman/MailList.py:390 reads: "[...] In order to split the list ownership duties into administrators and moderators, you must set a separate moderator password in the section below, and also provide the email addresses of the list moderators in this section. [...]" I think this text maybe should be rewritten a bit, because the text does not appear where the user is setting the moderator password, it appears in the help/details page for providing email addresses of the list administrators. Maybe just removing "in the section below" would do be enough... (The same goes for Mailman/MailList.py:414) 3. Mailman/MailList.py:623 (2.1a2), Mailman/Gui/General.py:295 (2.1a3) Maybe reverse the order of 'Yes' an 'No' for this options, so they are put in the same order as the other options that appear above it? 4. Mailman/MailList.py:672 Maybe mention list moderator(s) in the text? Because it could be the list moderator that approves the posting, not the list admin... Like this: "require approval - require list administrator or moderator approval for subscriptions
." 5. Mailman/MailList.py:734 There is a typo here. "to to": "[...] The intention is to to prevent the addresses [...]" 6. Mailman/MailList.py:743 reads: "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" Maybe mention the list moderator here too? Like: "Must posts be approved by an administrator (or possibly a moderator)?" 7. Mailman/MailList.py:755 This is really a minor cosmetic detail. The string is missing a ')', which should be added at the end of it. -- Daniel B. db@bibsys.no From Pawel.Kolodziejczyk@comarch.pl Mon Aug 6 22:38:18 2001 From: Pawel.Kolodziejczyk@comarch.pl (Pawel Kolodziejczyk) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 23:38:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Mailman-i18n] polish translation ? Message-ID: Hi, is anyone doing the translation for polish? Paul. -- Pawel Kolodziejczyk ComArch S.A. From email@futureweb.at Tue Aug 7 17:15:26 2001 From: email@futureweb.at (Futureweb.at - Patrick Neuner) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:15:26 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] german translation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi, is anyone already doing the german translation, otherwise I might do it. as i figured our, you don't need code knowledes with the language pack? thanks patrick neuner neuner@futureweb.at From andreas.mahling@kvberlin.de Wed Aug 8 09:10:22 2001 From: andreas.mahling@kvberlin.de (Mahling, Andreas) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:10:22 +0200 Subject: AW: [Mailman-i18n] german translation Message-ID: I did a partly template translation of a prior (non i18n) Mailman = version just for internal use. I thought about merging these translations in the i18n effort. Maybe we can work together? Regards, Andreas Mahling Kassen=E4rztliche Vereinigung Berlin andreas.mahling@kvberlin.de =20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Futureweb.at - Patrick Neuner [SMTP:email@futureweb.at] > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 7. August 2001 18:15 > An: mailman-i18n@python.org > Betreff: [Mailman-i18n] german translation >=20 > hi, >=20 > is anyone already doing the german translation, > otherwise I might do it.=20 >=20 > as i figured our, you don't need code knowledes with > the language pack? >=20 > thanks > patrick neuner > neuner@futureweb.at >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-i18n mailing list > Mailman-i18n@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n From db@bibsys.no Wed Aug 8 19:17:34 2001 From: db@bibsys.no (Daniel Buchmann) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 20:17:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Norwegian translation Message-ID: <3B71823E.3B7BA9E5@bibsys.no> Hello, all. The norwegian translation is now almost done. :) Just a few command line tools left now. The web interface is fully translated, at least according to the latest message.pot (which is 11 days old, I hope there will be a new version out soon...). For those interested, the web page for this translation is: http://www.bibsys.no/~db/Mailman-2.1/ This page will contain my latest version of the translation files. (Barry: can you update the CVS repository with the contents of my mailman-CVS-norwegian.tar.gz?) -- Daniel B. db@bibsys.no From wanted@mwd.pl Wed Aug 8 20:41:23 2001 From: wanted@mwd.pl (Marcin Sochacki) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:41:23 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] polish translation ? In-Reply-To: ; from Pawel.Kolodziejczyk@comarch.pl on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:38:18PM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20010808214123.H11986@debian.mwd.pl> On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:38:18PM +0200, Pawel Kolodziejczyk wrote: > is anyone doing the translation for polish? I've made a translation for an oldish Mailman 1.1. Obviously there was no real i18n support there, so I had to do some really bad modifications inside the Python code. Look at: http://linux.gda.pl/mailman/listinfo/tlug/ Maybe we could both try to make Polish translation for current version of Mailman? Marcin From jajoa@wmdata.com Thu Aug 9 09:59:12 2001 From: jajoa@wmdata.com (Johansson Jan) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:59:12 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Swedish templates? Message-ID: Is there such a thing made, or should i start writing? :) From jens@zope.com Fri Aug 10 03:39:07 2001 From: jens@zope.com (Jens Vagelpohl) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:39:07 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] german language support Message-ID: <20010810023949.81DF913930@kermit.dataflake.org> hi everyone, is anyone actively working on adding german translations to mailman? if not i'm going to start working on it. jens ------------- Jens Vagelpohl jens@zope.com Software Engineer http://www.zope.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com Got Zope? 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I am not mailman-i18n subscriber. -- ____________________________________________________ -=(( Rodolfo Pilas - rodolfo@linux.org.uy ))=- -==((( Are you ready for XtraLinuX - http://xtralinux.org )))==- -=((____________________________________________________))=- Guarde sus mail en Echelon: OLP, Greenpeace, ETA, Hamas, Hizbullah, FMI Public GnuPG key: http://www.keyserver.net 1024D/57153363 2001-06-02 key fingerprint = DAAE 3246 3F7D A420 B7A0 48A5 D120 C773 5715 3363 --=.tWnMxXt'U4.Z0G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7dW1X0SDHc1cVM2MRAk/kAKCMvIYr/VW+KqkMt511Qtn+qNBctQCgzmzU 4P34eIxaetsSPUclUcByhg8= =TjQV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.tWnMxXt'U4.Z0G-- From rodolfo@linux.org.uy Tue Aug 14 03:37:51 2001 From: rodolfo@linux.org.uy (Rodolfo Pilas) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 23:37:51 -0300 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Cool error! Message-ID: <20010813233751.479d721c.rodolfo@linux.org.uy> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart_Mon__13_Aug_2001_23:37:51_-0300_0830abd0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a list with private_roster set to "admin only" (I do not know the internal sintax). But the listinfo shows many errors, you can see at http://www.espaciolibre.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/uylug-noticias and in the attached html file. 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2001 From: jajoa@wmdata.com (Johansson Jan) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:52:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Swedish? Message-ID: Is there such a translation? Or should i start one? Where can i find the howto? Or do one just translate the templates "straight off"? From tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Aug 17 04:08:19 2001 From: tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:08:19 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] ja update Message-ID: <3B7C8AA3.8845F4C0@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, I think I have catched up CVS now. Please find japanese translations in http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1alpha.ja/. Barry, will you please update your CVS ? I have also set up a test site at http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-i18n/listinfo Please visit and see if your language works fine. Thank you. Tokio From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 06:31:55 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:31:55 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] A few questions and some suggestions References: <3B6D35CC.AFE0AA7D@bibsys.no> Message-ID: <15228.44107.601770.162347@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "DB" =3D=3D Daniel Buchmann writes: | 1. #: Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py:276 | msgid "Reloading pickled archive state" I believe this is printed during bin/arch runs. | 2. #: Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py:303 | msgid "Pickling archive state into " As is this, probably. | 3. #: Mailman/Bouncer.py:220 | msgid "BUT: %(succeeded)s" This is sent as part of the bounce.txt, when an address gets too many bounces and is disabled. | 4. #: Mailman/Cgi/admin.py:311 | msgid "No valid variable details request not found: %(path_inf= o)s" | (I didn't really understand this one, is this a typo?) You're right, that makes no sense. :) | 5. #: Mailman/Handlers/Acknowledge.py:57 | msgid "%(realname)s post acknowledgement" If a user turns on their "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" option, this gets sent to them when they post to the list. DB> I now have have 763 translated strings in my message.po :) I'm DB> skipping all docstrings and the strings for bin/pygettext.py. Good! DB> I'm also wondering how to make translated strings appear when DB> running any of the commands in /bin. When I run DB> e.g. check_perms, I still get "No problems found", not my DB> translated norwegian string... What I do is set the `LANGUAGE' environment variable to the language I want to test. E.g. % LANGUAGE=3Dno bin/list_lists 1 matching mailing lists found: =09Stage - [ingen beskrivelse tilgjengelig] or % LANGUAGE=3Des bin/list_lists 1 Las siguientes listas de distribuci=F3n coinciden: =09Stage - descripci=F3n:=20 | 1. These two strings are the same, right? | #: Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py:411 | msgid "%(origsender)s isn't subscribed to this list." | and | #: Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py:436 | msgid "%(origsender)s is not subscribed to this list." DB> Maybe one of these could be chosen, so the same string is used DB> both places? (In norwegian, for example, the translation of DB> these to strings would be the same.) Yes, in fact there are other problems with the marked up strings in MailCommandHandler.py (not to mention that the whole module needs a serious rewrite... sigh). I'll try to fix the most egregious of the problems. | 2. Mailman/MailList.py:390 reads: | "[...] In order to split the list ownership duties into | administrators and moderators, you must set a separate mode= rator | password in the section below, and also provide the email | addresses of the list moderators in this section. [...]" DB> I think this text maybe should be rewritten a bit, because the DB> text does not appear where the user is setting the moderator DB> password, it appears in the help/details page for providing DB> email addresses of the list administrators. Maybe just removing DB> "in the section below" would do be enough... (The same goes DB> for Mailman/MailList.py:414) Good point, thanks. I think I can do a little bit better with some judicious hyperlinking. DB> 3. Mailman/MailList.py:623 (2.1a2), Mailman/Gui/General.py:295 DB> (2.1a3) DB> Maybe reverse the order of 'Yes' an 'No' for this options, DB> so they are put in the same order as the other options that DB> appear above it? Another good point, requiring some kludgery to get right though. :/ DB> 4. Mailman/MailList.py:672 DB> Maybe mention list moderator(s) in the text? Because it DB> could be the list moderator that approves the posting, not the DB> list admin... Like this: "require approval - require list DB> administrator or moderator approval for subscriptions
." Another good point, although I think it's fine just to say "list moderator". The user doesn't necessarily need to know about or understand the distinction (at this point). DB> 5. Mailman/MailList.py:734 DB> There is a typo here. "to to": DB> "[...] The intention is to to prevent the addresses [...]" Ah, thanks! DB> 6. Mailman/MailList.py:743 reads: DB> "Must posts be approved by an administrator?" Maybe DB> mention the list moderator here too? Like: "Must posts be DB> approved by an administrator (or possibly a moderator)?" Again, I think it's fine just to say "list moderator". DB> 7. Mailman/MailList.py:755 DB> This is really a minor cosmetic detail. The string is DB> missing a ')', which should be added at the end of it. Thanks, I've also added a hyperlink. Excellent feedback, thanks! -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 17:24:34 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:24:34 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Norwegian translation References: <3B71823E.3B7BA9E5@bibsys.no> Message-ID: <15229.17730.304888.407982@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "DB" == Daniel Buchmann writes: DB> The norwegian translation is now almost done. :) Just a few DB> command line tools left now. The web interface is fully DB> translated, at least according to the latest message.pot DB> (which is 11 days old, I hope there will be a new version out DB> soon...). DB> For those interested, the web page for this translation is: DB> http://www.bibsys.no/~db/Mailman-2.1/ This page will contain DB> my latest version of the translation files. DB> (Barry: can you update the CVS repository with the contents of DB> my mailman-CVS-norwegian.tar.gz?) Working on that now... :) Thanks, -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 17:31:14 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:31:14 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] polish translation ? References: <20010808214123.H11986@debian.mwd.pl> Message-ID: <15229.18130.772377.180284@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "PK" == Pawel Kolodziejczyk writes: PK> is anyone doing the translation for polish? >>>>> "MS" == Marcin Sochacki writes: MS> Maybe we could both try to make Polish translation for current MS> version of Mailman? That would be awesome. Contrary to what you might think given my last name, I don't know a word of Polish. :) Can I put you two down as champions of the Polish translations? Thanks, -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 17:33:30 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] german language support References: <20010810023949.81DF913930@kermit.dataflake.org> Message-ID: <15229.18266.301322.924715@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JV" == Jens Vagelpohl writes: JV> is anyone actively working on adding german translations to JV> mailman? if not i'm going to start working on it. Hi Jens! Can I put you down as the champion of the German translation effort? -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 18:27:41 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] ja update References: <3B7C8AA3.8845F4C0@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <15229.21517.811681.534348@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "TK" == Tokio Kikuchi writes: TK> I think I have catched up CVS now. Please find japanese TK> translations in http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1alpha.ja/. A note to translators: probably the best way to send me updates is to send me a tarball that I can unpack in the top level source directory. I.e. your tarball should at least have templates// and messages//LC_MESSAGES/ directories and any associated READMEs. Otherwise it's hard for me to figure out exactly which files you intend for me to download. You can email me the tarball or put it up on the web and send me the url. Tokio, could you do that for me, please? Note that I'm also willing to give translators commit privileges on SF so that you can keep your own translations current without me being the bottleneck. Thanks, and I'll try to update README-I18N.en to reflect those instructions. -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 18:29:32 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] addlang Message-ID: <15229.21628.481488.938765@anthem.wooz.org> Does anybody have a problem with me removing bin/addlang? Note that with the latest cvs (hopefully to be alpha3 later today) once the language pack is installed for the site, individual lists can enable language support through the web interface. So I think addlang is no longer necessary. -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 18:37:02 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:37:02 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Swedish templates? References: Message-ID: <15229.22078.483795.183682@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JJ" == Johansson Jan writes: JJ> Is there such a thing made, or should i start writing? :) We don't have Swedish yet, so it would be great if you contributed! Can I put you down as the champion of the Swedish translation? -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 18:37:49 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:37:49 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] language pack References: <000d01c12169$d1d0f6a0$d35f1150@bagatto.it> Message-ID: <15229.22125.937531.395510@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "MC" == Mauro Carnevali writes: MC> I'm interesting to the language pack for Mailman MC> www.lemarche.it Hi Mauro, So far we've had no volunteers for Italian translations. Is that something you could contribute? -Barry From barry@zope.com Fri Aug 17 18:40:17 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:40:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Errors in Spanish translation References: <20010811143722.6252f2f9.rodolfo@linux.org.uy> Message-ID: <15229.22273.103765.807146@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "RP" =3D=3D Rodolfo Pilas writes: RP> Here a two bit errors in Spanish translation RP> Message to admin when a new list is created: RP> - Subject: Su nuebva lista de distribución: RP> %(real_name)s + Subject: Su nueva lista de distribuci=F3n: RP> %(real_name)s | - Por favor, remita sus dudas a mailman-owner@%(hostname)s. | + Por favor, remita sus dudas a mailman-owner@%(host_name)s. I'm sorry, but I don't see those in the Spanish mailman.po file. -Barry From tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Aug 18 03:03:51 2001 From: tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:03:51 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] ja update References: <3B7C8AA3.8845F4C0@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <15229.21517.811681.534348@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <3B7DCD07.4936F93D@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> "Barry A. Warsaw" wrote: > > A note to translators: probably the best way to send me updates is to > send me a tarball that I can unpack in the top level source > directory. I.e. your tarball should at least have templates// > and messages//LC_MESSAGES/ directories and any associated > READMEs. > > Otherwise it's hard for me to figure out exactly which files you > intend for me to download. > > You can email me the tarball or put it up on the web and send me the > url. Tokio, could you do that for me, please? Sorry for the inconvenience. I have done a few more updates and put the tarball at http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1alpha.ja/mailman.i18n.ja.tar.gz Thank you, Tokio From barry@zope.com Sat Aug 18 03:14:46 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:14:46 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] ja update References: <3B7C8AA3.8845F4C0@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <15229.21517.811681.534348@anthem.wooz.org> <3B7DCD07.4936F93D@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <15229.53142.311407.60195@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "TK" == Tokio Kikuchi writes: TK> Sorry for the inconvenience. I have done a few more updates TK> and put the tarball at TK> http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1alpha.ja/mailman.i18n.ja.tar.gz That's perfect, because I can do a simple wget and tar zxf to do the update. Thanks! -Barry From webmaster@sweclockers.com Sun Aug 19 20:38:36 2001 From: webmaster@sweclockers.com (Lennart Burenius) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 21:38:36 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Swedish translation Message-ID: <004201c128e6$8f76c800$3600a8c0@fook> Hello... Have anyone made a Swedish translation of Mailman 2.1a2? ----- Lennart Burenius, aka Fook webmaster@sweclockers.com From wanted@mwd.pl Mon Aug 20 01:28:05 2001 From: wanted@mwd.pl (Marcin Sochacki) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 02:28:05 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] polish translation ? In-Reply-To: <15229.18130.772377.180284@anthem.wooz.org>; from barry@zope.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:31:14PM -0400 References: <20010808214123.H11986@debian.mwd.pl> <15229.18130.772377.180284@anthem.wooz.org> Message-ID: <20010820022805.D12622@debian.mwd.pl> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:31:14PM -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: > > >>>>> "PK" == Pawel Kolodziejczyk writes: > > PK> is anyone doing the translation for polish? > > >>>>> "MS" == Marcin Sochacki writes: > > MS> Maybe we could both try to make Polish translation for current > MS> version of Mailman? > > That would be awesome. Contrary to what you might think given my last > name, I don't know a word of Polish. :) > > Can I put you two down as champions of the Polish translations? :) I was wondering about your name all the time. Thanks for the explanation. And, sure, you can put me as a translator into Polish. Marcin From jajoa@wmdata.com Mon Aug 20 08:02:34 2001 From: jajoa@wmdata.com (Johansson Jan) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:02:34 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Swedish templates? Message-ID: >We don't have Swedish yet, so it would be great if you contributed! >Can I put you down as the champion of the Swedish translation? You can. Uhm. Just one boggle here, can someone give me a pointer to where the "correct way to do so" is described? From tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp Mon Aug 20 08:41:15 2001 From: tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:41:15 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Swedish templates? References: Message-ID: <3B80BF1B.B4D62030@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Johansson Jan wrote: > You can. Uhm. Just one boggle here, can someone give me a pointer to where > the "correct way to do so" is described? > Find README-I18N.en from SourceForge CVS tree. Or click (download) on http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/mailman/mailman/README-I18N.en Cheers, Tokio Kikuchi From jajoa@wmdata.com Mon Aug 20 09:14:54 2001 From: jajoa@wmdata.com (Johansson Jan) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:14:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Beginning on swedish (2.1a2) Message-ID: I will now start a swedish translation based on 2.1a2). I also contacted anoter person who expressed interest in a swedish translation. Anyway, i am working on it. From barry@zope.com Mon Aug 20 14:57:09 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 09:57:09 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Swedish templates? References: Message-ID: <15233.5941.802186.812528@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JJ" == Johansson Jan writes: >> We don't have Swedish yet, so it would be great if you >> contributed! Can I put you down as the champion of the Swedish >> translation? JJ> You can. Uhm. Just one boggle here, can someone give me a JJ> pointer to where the "correct way to do so" is described? Great, thanks! Tokio Kikuchi's instructions are correct, but please let me know if anything's unclear. -Barry From jajoa@wmdata.com Mon Aug 20 14:55:54 2001 From: jajoa@wmdata.com (Johansson Jan) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 15:55:54 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] .pot question. Message-ID: The entries with "docstring" tags, are those the help menues? and the ones with "just" msgid the text that is normally displayed runtime? I would like to do a translation -> swedish in two passes. The "runtime" text first, and documentation in the second run. From barry@zope.com Mon Aug 20 15:07:29 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:07:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] polish translation ? References: <20010808214123.H11986@debian.mwd.pl> <15229.18130.772377.180284@anthem.wooz.org> <20010820022805.D12622@debian.mwd.pl> Message-ID: <15233.6561.101701.139141@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "MS" == Marcin Sochacki writes: MS> :) I was wondering about your name all the time. Thanks for MS> the explanation. Actually, the "old family story" is that my father's father emigrated to the US as a little boy in 1903 with his parents. Not speaking much (or any?) English, when my greatgrandfather was asked "what is your name?" he thought they were asking "where do you live?" and he gave the answer "Warsaw", much the way I might answer Washington DC today. It was the nearest large city to where they actually lived. Not wanting to rock the boat in their new home, or perhaps not knowing any better, they kept the name. Sadly, my grandfather was too young when he came over to remember the original name and apparently no records were kept, so Warsaws we are! :) MS> And, sure, you can put me as a translator into Polish. Excellent! Thanks, -Barry From barry@zope.com Mon Aug 20 15:16:12 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:16:12 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] .pot question. References: Message-ID: <15233.7084.508755.435389@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JJ" == Johansson Jan writes: JJ> The entries with "docstring" tags, are those the help menues? JJ> and the ones with "just" msgid the text that is normally JJ> displayed runtime? I would like to do a translation -> swedish JJ> in two passes. The "runtime" text first, and documentation in JJ> the second run. Hopefully in the latest .pot file (be sure to update from CVS), most docstring tagged are the usage messages for the bin/* and cron/* scripts. As such they should be translated, but I'd say at a lower priority than the non-docstring strings. There may still be some docstring tagged entries that needn't be translate; if you have specific questions, just ask on this list. There have been some discussions on how to improve markup and pygettext.py for better granularity on docstring extraction, but I haven't had time to hack on the tools. -Barry From jajoa@wmdata.com Mon Aug 20 15:20:27 2001 From: jajoa@wmdata.com (Johansson Jan) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:20:27 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] .pot question. Message-ID: >Hopefully in the latest .pot file (be sure to update from CVS), most >docstring tagged are the usage messages for the bin/* and cron/* >scripts. As such they should be translated, but I'd say at a lower >priority than the non-docstring strings. There may still be some >docstring tagged entries that needn't be translate; if you have >specific questions, just ask on this list. I grabbed the latest from (web)CVS this morning. And i was just asking in general, and i think i follow now. /j From dkirchner@bupnet.de Wed Aug 29 15:16:16 2001 From: dkirchner@bupnet.de (Dieter Kirchner) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:16:16 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] German templates - Download for 2.0.6 and development for 2.1 Message-ID: <001101c13095$2b176b60$0f01a8c0@darkstar> Hi, We have translated the templates a time ago for 2.0.x versions, you may download them here: http://www.oclink.de/tar/mailman-2.0.6_german_templates.tar.gz We will switch to 2.1 soon and will do the same job, maybe with help from others on this list. Ignore the rest if you don't speak german. Alle die hier bereits nachgefragt haben und evtl. auch schon etwas gearbeitet haben können sich ja mal mit mir synchronisieren, das beschleunigt die Übersetzung etwas :-) Ich dachte wir übersetzen, testen einmal durch und bringen das in das Mailmanprojekt ein. Wir werden wohl noch diese Woche auf einer kleinen Produktionsseite umstellen und da dann direkt starten. Ciao, Dieter --------------------------------------------------------------- Dieter Kirchner Systemadministration BUPNET +49 551 54707 62 D-Goettingen http://www.bupnet.de --------------------------------------------------------------- From jens@zope.com Wed Aug 29 15:50:24 2001 From: jens@zope.com (Jens Vagelpohl) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 10:50:24 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] German templates - Download for 2.0.6 and development for 2.1 In-Reply-To: <001101c13095$2b176b60$0f01a8c0@darkstar> Message-ID: <200108291450.f7TEoE329551@ferrari.zope.com> dieter, i posted to this list a couple weeks ago asking if anyone is working on=20= german translations and didn't get an answer. so i started working on = the=20 messages myself. my stuff is in the CVS repository under=20 messages/de/LC_MESSAGES. i suppose we should pool our efforts. jens On Wednesday, August 29, 2001, at 10:16 , Dieter Kirchner wrote: > Hi, > > We have translated the templates a time ago for 2.0.x versions, you = may > download them here: > > http://www.oclink.de/tar/mailman-2.0.6_german_templates.tar.gz > > We will switch to 2.1 soon and will do the same job, maybe with help = from > others on this list. > > Ignore the rest if you don't speak german. > > Alle die hier bereits nachgefragt haben und evtl. auch schon etwas > gearbeitet haben k=F6nnen sich ja mal mit mir synchronisieren, das > beschleunigt die =DCbersetzung etwas :-) > Ich dachte wir =FCbersetzen, testen einmal durch und bringen das in = das > Mailmanprojekt ein. > Wir werden wohl noch diese Woche auf einer kleinen Produktionsseite > umstellen und da dann direkt starten. > > Ciao, > Dieter > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Dieter Kirchner > Systemadministration BUPNET > +49 551 54707 62 D-Goettingen > http://www.bupnet.de > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailman-i18n mailing list > Mailman-i18n@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n From db@bibsys.no Wed Aug 29 19:49:14 2001 From: db@bibsys.no (Daniel Buchmann) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:49:14 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] HTML entities ++ Message-ID: <3B8D392A.CF7E0191@bibsys.no> Hi everyone. I wonder what the policy about using HTML entities (e.g. é, å) in message.po is. I've been using plain characters in my norwegian translation so far. Looking at other translations, I see that e.g. the spanish translation is using HTML entities, and e.g. the french is not. What should I do? Since I obviously can't convert my entire message.po, I've been writing a script that splits the entries in my message.po into HTML entries and plain text entries (splitting by filename, not content). Then I can easily replace the norwegian characters in the file containing the HTML entries, with HTML entities. The script would of course need to know which files (Mailman python code files) contains output destined for the web and which files contains output destined for emails. Right now, it has the following rules: 1. Any file not in the Mailman/ directory contains plain text. 2. All files in the Mailman/ directory (and subdirectories) contain HTML text, except for the following files: Mailman/Deliverer.py Mailman/MailList.py Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py Mailman/Handlers/ Mailman/MTA/ There may be more files that contains plain text, of course, so if you know any let me know, and I'll add them to this list of files to be excluded. A file containing both HTML entries and plain text entries would of course be a problem, so they'll have to be dealt with manually. If anyone else want to use this script, let me know, and I'll email it to you. (It is a perl script.) Btw, if you are on IRC, join #mailman on openprojects.net. :) (See http://www.openprojects.net/irc_servers.shtml for a list of servers.) Barry: There is a missing tag in Mailman/Gui/NonDigest.py line 63, in the 'personalize' details. From barry@zope.com Wed Aug 29 22:12:04 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:12:04 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] HTML entities ++ References: <3B8D392A.CF7E0191@bibsys.no> Message-ID: <15245.23204.992210.423220@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "DB" == Daniel Buchmann writes: DB> Btw, if you are on IRC, join #mailman on openprojects.net. :) DB> (See http://www.openprojects.net/irc_servers.shtml for a list DB> of servers.) I must admit to being a dinosaur here. Pythonlabs played around with irc for a little while back when we were with BeOpen. It was pretty useful when we were all telecommuting and we needed tight coordination for releases and such, but we quickly stopped using it for most other communications. DB> Barry: There is a missing tag in DB> Mailman/Gui/NonDigest.py line 63, in the 'personalize' DB> details. Thanks! Fixed. -Barry From liuk@publinet.it Thu Aug 30 15:01:01 2001 From: liuk@publinet.it (Luca Maranzano) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:01:01 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Italian translation availability for Mailman? Message-ID: <20010830160101.A30587@publinet.it> Hello, is anyone working on the translation of mailman for italian? I've seen a project "mailman-it" on SourceForge but it seems quite inactive. Thanks. Regards, luca From mcicogni@siosistemi.it Thu Aug 30 16:42:40 2001 From: mcicogni@siosistemi.it (Mauro Cicognini) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 17:42:40 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Italian translation availability for Mailman? References: <20010830160101.A30587@publinet.it> Message-ID: <3B8E5EF0.B88524ED@siosistemi.it> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------40D7B21857B30A3A72003AAA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Luca Maranzano wrote: > Hello, > > is anyone working on the translation of mailman for italian? > > I've seen a project "mailman-it" on SourceForge but it seems quite inactive. > > Thanks. > > Regards, > luca > I'm willing to contribute. -- ovvero -- Se c'è bisogno di una mano, io sono disponibile. Regards, Mauro P.S. 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PEOPLE YOU CAN TRUST version:2.1 email;internet:mcicogni@siosistemi.it title:R&D Manager adr;quoted-printable:;;via Cefalonia 58=0D=0A25124 Brescia BS=0D=0AItaly;Brescia;BS;25124;Italy x-mozilla-cpt:;-18552 fn:Mauro Cicognini end:vcard --------------40D7B21857B30A3A72003AAA-- From alessio@albourne.com Fri Aug 31 17:17:20 2001 From: alessio@albourne.com (Alessio Bragadini) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 19:17:20 +0300 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Italian translation availability for Mailman? References: <20010830160101.A30587@publinet.it> Message-ID: <3B8FB890.5B72C6EE@albourne.com> Luca Maranzano wrote: > is anyone working on the translation of mailman for italian? was the maintainer of the project, unfortunately we haven't heard from him for a while. > I've seen a project "mailman-it" on SourceForge but it seems quite inactive. That's bogus. We can help, but the Ferrara LUG did say that the translation was "almost complete". -- Alessio F. Bragadini alessio@albourne.com APL Financial Services http://village.albourne.com Nicosia, Cyprus phone: +357-2-755750 "It is more complicated than you think" -- The Eighth Networking Truth from RFC 1925 From pioppo@ferrara.linux.it Fri Aug 31 22:47:02 2001 From: pioppo@ferrara.linux.it (Simone Piunno) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:47:02 +0200 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Italian translation availability for Mailman? References: <20010830160101.A30587@publinet.it> <3B8FB890.5B72C6EE@albourne.com> Message-ID: <20010831234702.H1240@abulafia.casa> venerdì, 31 agosto 2001 alle 19:17:20, Alessio Bragadini ha scritto: > > is anyone working on the translation of mailman for italian? > > was the maintainer of the project, > unfortunately we haven't heard from him for a while. hey! I'm here! :) > We can help, but the Ferrara LUG did say that the translation was > "almost complete". yes, this is true. If you want I can send you templates immediatly to check for errors and the catalog in a few days. -- /~\ The ASCII \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML unzip && touch && finger && mount / \ Email! && gasp && yes && umount && sleep From barry@zope.com Mon Aug 20 15:37:20 2001 From: barry@zope.com (Barry A. Warsaw) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 10:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-i18n] .pot question. References: Message-ID: <15233.8352.602546.592742@anthem.wooz.org> >>>>> "JJ" == Johansson Jan writes: JJ> I grabbed the latest from (web)CVS this morning. And i was JJ> just asking in general, and i think i follow now. /j Cool.