' + _(" Enter new password:") + '',
PasswordBox('newpw')])
new.AddRow(['
' + _("Confirm new password:") + '<=
/div>',
PasswordBox('confirmpw')])
change_pw_table.AddRow([old, new])
change_pw_table.AddCellInfo(1, 0, align=3D"left", valign=3D"top")
#change_pw_table.AddCellInfo(1, 1, align=3D"left", valign=3D"top")
return change_pw_table
=0C
def FormatSubmit():
submit =3D Table(bgcolor=3D"#99ccff",
border=3D0, cellspacing=3D0, cellpadding=3D2)
submit.AddRow([Bold(SubmitButton('submit', _('Submit Your Changes')))=
])
submit.AddCellInfo(submit.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, align=3D"middle")
return submit
=0C
# XXX klm - looks like turn_on_moderation is orphaned.
#turn_on_moderation =3D 0
# Options processing
def GetValidValue(mlist, prop, my_type, val, dependant):
if my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.Radio or my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.Toggle:
if type(val) <> types.IntType:
try:
val =3D int(val)
except ValueError:
pass
# Don't know what to do here...
return val
elif my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.String or my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.Text:
return val
elif my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.Email:
try:
Utils.ValidateEmail(val)
return val
except Errors.EmailAddressError:
# TBD: should have a way of displaying the results of the
# operation.
pass
# Revert to the old value.
return getattr(mlist, prop)
elif my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.EmailList:
def SafeValidAddr(addr):
try:
Utils.ValidateEmail(addr)
return 1
except Errors.EmailAddressError:
return 0
val =3D filter(SafeValidAddr,
map(string.strip, string.split(val, '\n')))
## if dependant and len(val):
## # Wait till we've set everything to turn it on,
## # as we don't want to clobber our special case.
## # XXX klm - looks like turn_on_moderation is orphaned?
## turn_on_moderation =3D 1
return val
elif my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.Host:
return val
##
## This code is sendmail dependant, so we'll just live w/o =
## the error checking for now.
##
## # Shouldn't have to read in the whole file.
## file =3D open('/etc/sendmail.cf', 'r')
## lines =3D string.split(file.read(), '\n')
## file.close()
## def ConfirmCWEntry(item):
## return item[0:2] =3D=3D 'Cw'
## lines =3D filter(ConfirmCWEntry, lines)
## if not len(lines):
## # Revert to the old value.
## return getattr(list, prop)
## for line in lines:
## if string.lower(string.strip(line[2:])) =3D=3D string.lower(val):=
## return val
## return getattr(list, prop)
elif my_type =3D=3D mm_cfg.Number:
num =3D -1
try:
num =3D int(val)
except ValueError:
# TBD: a float???
try:
num =3D float(val)
except ValueError:
pass
if num < 0:
return getattr(mlist, prop)
return num
else:
# Should never get here...
return val
=0C
def ChangeOptions(mlist, category, cgi_info, document):
confirmed =3D 0
if cgi_info.has_key('newpw'):
if cgi_info.has_key('confirmpw'):
if cgi_info.has_key('adminpw') and cgi_info['adminpw'].value:=
try:
mlist.ConfirmAdminPassword(cgi_info['adminpw'].value)=
confirmed =3D 1
except Errors.MMBadPasswordError:
AddErrorMessage(document,
_('Incorrect administrator password')=
,
tag=3D'Error: ')
if confirmed:
new =3D string.strip(cgi_info['newpw'].value)
confirm =3D string.strip(cgi_info['confirmpw'].value)
if new =3D=3D '' and confirm =3D=3D '':
AddErrorMessage(document,
_('Empty admin passwords are not allo=
wed'),
tag=3D'Error: ')
elif new =3D=3D confirm:
mlist.password =3D crypt(new, Utils.GetRandomSeed())
# Re-authenticate (to set new cookie)
mlist.WebAuthenticate(password=3Dnew, cookie=3D'admin=
')
else:
AddErrorMessage(document, _('Passwords did not match'=
),
tag=3D'Error: ')
else:
AddErrorMessage(document,
_('You must type in your new password twice')=
,
tag=3D'Error: ')
#
# for some reason, the login page mangles important values for the li=
st
# such as .real_name so we only process these changes if the category=
# is not "members" and the request is not from the login page
# -scott 19980515
#
if category !=3D 'members' and \
not cgi_info.has_key("request_login") and \
len(cgi_info.keys()) > 1:
# then
if cgi_info.has_key("subscribe_policy"):
if not mm_cfg.ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE:
#
# we have to add one to the value because the
# page didn't present an open list as an option
#
page_setting =3D string.atoi(cgi_info["subscribe_policy"]=
=2Evalue)
cgi_info["subscribe_policy"].value =3D str(page_setting +=
1)
opt_list =3D GetConfigOptions(mlist, category)
for item in opt_list:
if type(item) <> types.TupleType or len(item) < 5:
continue
property, kind, args, deps, desc =3D item[0:5]
if cgi_info.has_key(property+'_upload') and \
cgi_info[property+'_upload'].value:
val =3D cgi_info[property+'_upload'].value
elif not cgi_info.has_key(property):
continue
else:
val =3D cgi_info[property].value
value =3D GetValidValue(mlist, property, kind, val, deps)
#
# This is an ugly, ugly hack
if property[0] =3D=3D '_':
# TBD: When turning on usenet->mail gating we want to
# automatically catch up the newsgroup otherwise the mail=
ing
# list will suddently get flooded. There should be a muc=
h
# better way to do this (or for the admin to specify they=
want
# this).
if property =3D=3D '_mass_catchup' and value:
mlist.usenet_watermark =3D None
elif getattr(mlist, property) <> value:
# TBD: Ensure that mlist.real_name differs only in letter=
# case. Otherwise a security hole can potentially be ope=
ned
# when using an external archiver. This seems ad-hoc and=
# could use a more general security policy.
if property =3D=3D 'real_name' and \
string.lower(value) <> string.lower(mlist._internal_na=
me):
# then don't install this value.
document.AddItem(_("""
real_name attribute n=
ot
changed! It must differ from the list's name by case=
only.
"""))
continue
setattr(mlist, property, value)
#
# mass subscription processing for members category
#
if cgi_info.has_key('subscribees'):
name_text =3D cgi_info['subscribees'].value
name_text =3D string.replace(name_text, '\r', '')
names =3D filter(None, map(string.strip, string.split(name_text, '\n')))=
send_welcome_msg =3D string.atoi(
cgi_info["send_welcome_msg_to_this_batch"].value)
digest =3D 0
if not mlist.digestable:
digest =3D 0
if not mlist.nondigestable:
digest =3D 1
subscribe_errors =3D []
subscribe_success =3D []
result =3D mlist.ApprovedAddMembers(names, None,
digest, send_welcome_msg)
for name in result.keys():
if result[name] is None:
subscribe_success.append(name)
else:
# `name' was not subscribed, find out why. On failures,
# result[name] is set from sys.exc_info()[:2]
e, v =3D result[name]
if e is Errors.MMAlreadyAMember:
subscribe_errors.append((name, _('Already a member'))=
)
elif e is Errors.MMBadEmailError:
if name =3D=3D '':
name =3D '<blank line>'
subscribe_errors.append(
(name, _("Bad/Invalid email address")))
elif e is Errors.MMHostileAddress:
subscribe_errors.append(
(name, _("Hostile Address (illegal characters)"))=
)
if subscribe_success:
document.AddItem(Header(5, _("Successfully Subscribed:")))
document.AddItem(apply(UnorderedList, tuple((subscribe_succes=
s))))
document.AddItem("
")
# ApprovedAddMembers will already have saved the list for us.=
if subscribe_errors:
document.AddItem(Header(5, _("Error Subscribing:")))
items =3D map(lambda x: "%s -- %s" % (x[0], x[1]), subscribe_=
errors)
document.AddItem(apply(UnorderedList, tuple((items))))
document.AddItem("
")
#
# do the user options for members category
#
if cgi_info.has_key('user'):
user =3D cgi_info["user"]
if type(user) is type([]):
users =3D []
for ui in range(len(user)):
users.append(user[ui].value)
else:
users =3D [user.value]
errors =3D []
for user in users:
if not cgi_info.has_key('%s_subscribed' % (user)):
try:
mlist.DeleteMember(user)
except Errors.MMNoSuchUserError:
errors.append((user, _('Not subscribed')))
continue
value =3D cgi_info.has_key('%s_digest' % user)
try:
mlist.SetUserDigest(user, value, force=3D1)
except (Errors.MMNotAMemberError,
Errors.MMAlreadyDigested,
Errors.MMAlreadyUndigested):
pass
for opt in ("hide", "nomail", "ack", "notmetoo", "plain"):
opt_code =3D MailCommandHandler.option_info[opt]
if cgi_info.has_key("%s_%s" % (user, opt)):
mlist.SetUserOption(user, opt_code, 1, save_list=3D0)=
else:
mlist.SetUserOption(user, opt_code, 0, save_list=3D0)=
if errors:
document.AddItem(Header(5, _("Error Unsubscribing:")))
items =3D map(lambda x: "%s -- %s" % (x[0], x[1]), errors)
document.AddItem(apply(UnorderedList, tuple((items))))
document.AddItem("
")
=0C
def AddErrorMessage(doc, errmsg, tag=3D'Warning: ', *args):
doc.AddItem(Header(3, Bold(FontAttr(
tag, color=3D"#ff0000", size=3D"+2")).Format() +
Italic(errmsg % args).Format()))
=0C
def GetConfigOptions(mlist, category):
return mlist.GetConfigInfo()[category]
--------------BFB93F3D3F601EC069B326B6--
From tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp Sat Nov 11 03:55:18 2000
From: tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 12:55:18 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Hi, and Traditional Chinese (big5)
References:
Message-ID: <3A0CC326.7601E682@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Hi, Alex.
I am currently doing on Japanese-only Mailman and treating
the charset problem with a quick and dirty tric. ;-)
In httpd.conf of Apache 1.3.14, I write
...
AddDefaultCharset EUC-JP
> The only thing I think that have to implement is charset on every page in
> configure and Makefile? Like
>
>
>
> to support big5.
>
Tokio
From vizisz@freemail.hu Mon Nov 13 08:54:01 2000
From: vizisz@freemail.hu (Vizi Szilard)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:54:01 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Volunteer 4 Hungarian Translation
Message-ID: <3A0FAC29.D5F5E1EF@freemail.hu>
Hello!
Juan Carlos Rey Anaya wrote that he needs more volunteers.
I have translated templates for Mailman into Hungarian, and changed
a few files to give hungarian outputs at the web interfaces.
(eg. HTMLFormatter.py, Admin.py, Listinfo.py).
I will gladly help you to carry out an i18n mailman.
The current Hungarian translation can be found here:
http://lme.linux.hu/forditas/mailman-hun-20001016.tar.gz
So what should I do now?
Szilard Vizi
From jcrey@uma.es Mon Nov 13 09:31:06 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:31:06 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Volunteer 4 Hungarian Translation
References: <3A0FAC29.D5F5E1EF@freemail.hu>
Message-ID: <3A0FB4DA.7E47DA87@uma.es>
Vizi Szilard wrote:
> =
> Hello!
> =
> Juan Carlos Rey Anaya wrote that he needs more volunteers.
> I have translated templates for Mailman into Hungarian, and changed
> a few files to give hungarian outputs at the web interfaces.
> (eg. HTMLFormatter.py, Admin.py, Listinfo.py).
> =
> I will gladly help you to carry out an i18n mailman.
> The current Hungarian translation can be found here:
> http://lme.linux.hu/forditas/mailman-hun-20001016.tar.gz
> =
> So what should I do now?
> =
You need to insert into templates some i18n stuff.
I will send to your private e-mail i18n-templates-v.1.2 so that you can
compare and insert acordingly.
Forward you need to translate hungarian catalog. If you want, once you
finish inserting i18n stuff inside templates, you can mark messages
inside source code.
Cheers and wellcome.
-- =
___
/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From jcrey@uma.es Mon Nov 13 10:36:56 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:36:56 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman i18n - First piece
References:
Message-ID: <3A0FC448.DC908747@uma.es>
more work to actual volunteers:
-------------------------------
11) Jose A Accino: MailList.py and htmlformat.py
Cheers
-- =
___
/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From jcrey@uma.es Mon Nov 13 12:06:23 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:06:23 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] One tip
Message-ID: <3A0FD93F.8C0258F@uma.es>
When marking source files. There should take into account to try taking
apart HTML code when possible:
eample)
original code:
msg =3D "Don't change the option here.Use the main
options page instead."
marked code:
msg =3D "" + _("Don't change the option here.") + ""=
+ _(Use the main options page instead." + ""
Greetings
-- =
___
/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From james@daa.com.au Mon Nov 13 13:26:38 2000
From: james@daa.com.au (James Henstridge)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:26:38 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] One tip
In-Reply-To: <3A0FD93F.8C0258F@uma.es>
Message-ID:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Juan Carlos Rey Anaya wrote:
> When marking source files. There should take into account to try taking
> apart HTML code when possible:
> eample)
> original code:
> msg = "Don't change the option here.Use the main
> options page instead."
> marked code:
> msg = "" + _("Don't change the option here.") + ""
> + _(Use the main options page instead." + ""
This limits the positioning of the bold text for translations (ie. it
must always go before). I don't know if that is a problem in this
case.
This is similar to the reasons why printf style output is easier to
internationalise than c++ streams.
James.
From jcrey@uma.es Mon Nov 13 14:10:08 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:10:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] One tip
References:
Message-ID: <3A0FF640.50706ED4@uma.es>
James Henstridge wrote:
> =
> This limits the positioning of the bold text for translations (ie. it
> must always go before). I don't know if that is a problem in this
> case.
At first sight I see one inconvenient:
If we let all to be in one string to translate, we also give a chance
translators to mispell at translation time.
example)
msgid "Hello Word"
msgstr "Hola Mundo>/strong>"
When we later look for this message in catalog, this error can make the
browser not to display the proper page.
Time will say :-)
Cheers
-- =
___
/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From james@daa.com.au Mon Nov 13 14:31:51 2000
From: james@daa.com.au (James Henstridge)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:31:51 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] One tip
In-Reply-To: <3A0FF640.50706ED4@uma.es>
Message-ID:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Juan Carlos Rey Anaya wrote:
> James Henstridge wrote:
> >
> > This limits the positioning of the bold text for translations (ie. it
> > must always go before). I don't know if that is a problem in this
> > case.
>
> At first sight I see one inconvenient:
> If we let all to be in one string to translate, we also give a chance
> translators to mispell at translation time.
>
> example)
> msgid "Hello Word"
> msgstr "Hola Mundo>/strong>"
This is not the only occasion when the translated string has some
requirements on it. The most obvious is format strings (I suppose with
named substitutions like %(name)s, mistyping may be more common).
Also, the translator should probably be escaping entities in these
strings (unless mailman does that), so pretending the string is not an
HTML fragment may not be the best idea.
>
> When we later look for this message in catalog, this error can make the
> browser not to display the proper page.
invalid translations can cause all sorts of problems. This is not the
only case.
James.
From jcrey@uma.es Tue Nov 14 08:03:12 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:03:12 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] One tip
References:
Message-ID: <3A10F1C0.588C06CA@uma.es>
James Henstridge wrote:
> =
> This is not the only occasion when the translated string has some
> requirements on it. The most obvious is format strings (I suppose with=
> named substitutions like %(name)s, mistyping may be more common).
Well, I am agree that stuff like %(name)s is unavoided. But to the other
side, I think we should to abstract as much as we can, so error can be
minor.
> =
> Also, the translator should probably be escaping entities in these
> strings (unless mailman does that), so pretending the string is not an
> HTML fragment may not be the best idea.
I can not find a convincing reason to leave "Hello".
- 'strong>' and ' <3A0CC326.7601E682@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> <3A0FB0E5.FC40F447@uma.es> <3A0FE514.720C0BED@xlinux.com> <3A0FE9E3.7672CD33@uma.es> <3A108C4E.B514F621@xlinux.com>
Message-ID: <3A10FF87.392359C8@uma.es>
=A4=E8=ABT=B4=BC wrote:
> =
> >
> > Juan C. Rey Anaya wrote:
> > Hello =A4=E8=ABT=B4=BC:
> > have you inserted i18n stuff inside templates?
> >
> Where should I insert it ?
---------------------------------------------
In templates/listinfo.html we must to insert:
---------------------------------------------
<MM-List-Name> Info Page
=
=
|
--
|
|
|
|
About
|
+
+
+
+ |
|
To see the collection of prior postings to the list,
visit the
Archives.
[snip]
|
=
| Reenter password to confirm: |
|
|
+
+ | Which language do you prefer to display
your messages? | =
+ |
+ |
| Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily
digest?
|
[snip]
---------------
In options.html
---------------
[snip]
Conceal yourself from subscriber list?
No
Yes
|
+
| +
What language do you prefer? +
|
+
|
Password:
|
--------------
In roster.html
--------------
<MM-List-Name> Subscribers
=
|
Subscribers
|
|
+
+ =
Click on your address to visit your subscription
options page.
(Parenthesized entries have list
delivery =
disabled.)
|
|
Non-digested Members of :
|
Digested
Members of : =
|
|
|
|
-----------------------------------------------------------
I did not give importance to appearance. Appearance ideas will be
welcome.
Cheers
-- =
___
/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From jcrey@uma.es Tue Nov 14 16:02:58 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:02:58 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Mailman i18n - First piece
References: <3A09A43F.140555D2@uma.es> <14857.65173.887119.11002@anthem.concentric.net>
Message-ID: <3A116232.C3119770@uma.es>
--------------------------
Work to actual volunteers:
--------------------------
2) Omar Walid Llorente: handle_opts.py, listinfo.py and options.py
12) Vizi Szilard: private.py, roster.py and subscribe.py
There are no more files to assign for marking :-)
I would like to send patches to Barry this weekend...
cheers
-- =
___
/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From barry@digicool.com Thu Nov 16 04:51:15 2000
From: barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:51:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] One tip
References:
<3A10F1C0.588C06CA@uma.es>
Message-ID: <14867.26563.507071.23775@anthem.concentric.net>
>>>>> "JCRA" == Juan Carlos Rey Anaya writes:
JCRA> I can not find a convincing reason to leave
JCRA> "Hello". - 'strong>' and ' not translatable and only may induce to errors. - Al last
JCRA> catalog can be fully of untranslatable text and can make
JCRA> translation heavier than it really is. Writing 20 or 30
JCRA> string with this stuff can be normal but translating almost
JCRA> all the catalog is a daunting task.
I'd like to eventually fix all that, but let's not worry about it in
the first go 'round. Let's worry about getting markups for what's
there now and try to fix the templating problems in subsequent
revisions. Otherwise I fear it'll delay getting something out too
long (waiting for the Quixotic "perfect solution").
-Barry
From raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp Thu Nov 16 09:39:34 2000
From: raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp (Venkatesh Raghavan)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:39:34 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Japanese characters in Mailman archive
Message-ID: <3A13AB56.9B5EEE6@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
Hi all,
I am new to this list and trying to use Mailman
to administer a Japanese language ML.
I have recently installed Mailman. Mailman
no trouble with handling Japanese e-mail messages but
archive files (html) do not display Japanese
characters properly. The problem seems to do
with the html conversion by Mailman.
When Mailman encouters '>' it gets replaced with '>'. In the
case of Japanese (multibyte) messages, this '>' is generally
one byte of double-byte character (Japanese) and as a result
the characters get messed up in html files. Archive files in the
text format does not have this problem.
I am not sure how this problem can be sorted out.
Is there a way wherein the replacement of '>' by '>'
can be avoided. Or is there a way to generate text files
instead of html files.
Thanks in advance.
Venkatesh Raghavan
Osaka City University
Japan
From tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp Thu Nov 16 09:58:25 2000
From: tkikuchi@is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:58:25 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Japanese characters in Mailman archive
References: <3A13AB56.9B5EEE6@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <3A13AFC1.5AA6661A@is.kochi-u.ac.jp>
Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am new to this list and trying to use Mailman
> to administer a Japanese language ML.
>
Hi,
(snip)
> I am not sure how this problem can be sorted out.
> Is there a way wherein the replacement of '>' by '>'
> can be avoided. Or is there a way to generate text files
> instead of html files.
Yes. You must first convert the message into EUC-JP in
which all the double-byte characters are msb set.
Please visit Japanized Mailman Page at
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/
You must also check the mail archive to check patches.
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/pipermail/mmjp-users/
--
Tokio Kikuchi
From matthias@accelance.fr Fri Nov 17 10:26:20 2000
From: matthias@accelance.fr (Matthias Saou)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:26:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] French translation
Message-ID: <3A1507CC.E9DA02D7@accelance.fr>
Hello,
I really like Mailman, and I would love to have at last a french
version! I'm french, but since I'm also Canadian (thanks mom! ;-), I can
help translate from english to french if you still need someone.
Let me know,
Matthias
--
Matthias Saou
matthias@accelance.fr
From jcrey@uma.es Fri Nov 17 10:45:11 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:45:11 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] French translation
References: <3A1507CC.E9DA02D7@accelance.fr>
Message-ID: <3A150C37.FBC8BD4A@uma.es>
Matthias Saou wrote:
> =
> Hello,
> =
> I really like Mailman, and I would love to have at last a french
> version! I'm french, but since I'm also Canadian (thanks mom! ;-), I ca=
n
> help translate from english to french if you still need someone.
By chance there is nobody working (as I know) in French translation. So
welcome!
I will send you templates. I suppose you have been reading i18n mailing
list discussions so I have not to tell you what to do :-)
Cheers
-- =
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/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From fil@bok.net Fri Nov 17 11:16:08 2000
From: fil@bok.net (Fil)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] French translation
In-Reply-To: <3A150C37.FBC8BD4A@uma.es>; from jcrey@uma.es on Fri, Nov 17, 2000 at 11:45:11AM +0100
References: <3A1507CC.E9DA02D7@accelance.fr> <3A150C37.FBC8BD4A@uma.es>
Message-ID: <20001117121608.C14139@orwell.bok.net>
In fact a bunch of french-speaking guys is working on a translation, but
slowwwly. You can however join (and lead) the group at
http://atlas.bok.net/mailman/listinfo/mailman-fr
* Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) écrivait :
> Matthias Saou wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I really like Mailman, and I would love to have at last a french
> > version! I'm french, but since I'm also Canadian (thanks mom! ;-), I can
> > help translate from english to french if you still need someone.
>
> By chance there is nobody working (as I know) in French translation. So
> welcome!
> I will send you templates. I suppose you have been reading i18n mailing
> list discussions so I have not to tell you what to do :-)
>
> Cheers
> --
> ___
> / F \
> [[[]]]]
> ( O O )
> #----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
> | Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
> | Servicio Central de informática |
> | Universidad de Málaga - España |
> #----------------------------------------------#
> # Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
> #----------------------------------------------#
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mailman-i18n mailing list
> Mailman-i18n@python.org
> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-i18n
From Antti.Siiskonen@tut.fi Fri Nov 17 16:43:30 2000
From: Antti.Siiskonen@tut.fi (Antti Siiskonen)
Date: 17 Nov 2000 18:43:30 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] a Finnish translation?
Message-ID:
Greetings.
I have interest in developing a Finnish version of Mailman is such
version does not yet exist. I'm of course willing to contribute the
translation to the Mailman project if I decide to do the translation.
It seems to me that the templates have to be translated first .. is
there much more to it? I've read the design notes at www.zope.org but
I still have no idea of the size of the actual operation.
Can Mailman do qp-decoding in 2.x versions when archiving messages?
The 1.x versions couldn't and I remember writing a short patch to fix
the code that generates the summary pages (the pages with scandinavian
characters looked terrible). If the bulk 2.x versions can't do it are
there any patches ready for 2.x versions?
Please cc any replies directly to me as I'm not on
this list .. at least for now.
--
//Antti
From lgras@pie.xtec.es Sat Nov 18 21:51:30 2000
From: lgras@pie.xtec.es (=?iso-8859-1?Q?LLu=EDs?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 22:51:30 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Interested in Catalan Translation
Message-ID: <3A16F9E2.CD7E5CC9@pie.xtec.es>
Hi !!!
Just finishing to setting up a mailman in my home-linux-server i decided
to translate it to my mother language.
How can i do it ...
From jcrey@uma.es Mon Nov 20 07:32:21 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:32:21 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] a Finnish translation?
References:
Message-ID: <3A18D385.50ECFCCD@uma.es>
Antti Siiskonen wrote:
> I have interest in developing a Finnish version of Mailman...
Welcome, I will send you English templates so you can start translating.
Cheers
-- =
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/ F \
[[[]]]]
( O O )
#----------------0000--(_)--0000---------------#
| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
#----------------------------------------------#
# Solo se que cada vez se menos :-| #
#----------------------------------------------#
From Armin@exklusiv.de Tue Nov 21 14:26:20 2000
From: Armin@exklusiv.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?A=2E_K=F6nigsdorfer?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:26:20 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] i18n version of mailman?
Message-ID: <11A7A25F86EFD3118035006097B4D1C70D4D1B@fax.exklusiv.de>
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Hi folks!
I think there are efforts to build an internationalized version
of mailman (just because this mailinglist exists).
How far is this port? Does Python not have any i18n mechanism?
The strings in the sourcecode are not marked for translation, will
at least this be done?
Currently I'm working on a german translation. The templates were
easy but to translate all the strings in the source is terrible
slow and error prone. And with the next version of mailman I
will have to throw away most of my work.
This is a great piece of software. With support for i18n it
would be perfect. ;o)
BTW: I have to do the work anyway, so if I could help... Next week
I will start to teach myself Python.
Kind regards,
Armin
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i18n version of mailman?
Hi folks!
I think there are efforts to build an internationalized version
of mailman (just because this mailinglist exists).
How far is this port? Does Python not have any i18n mechanism?
The strings in the sourcecode are not marked for translation, will
at least this be done?
Currently I'm working on a german translation. The templates were
easy but to translate all the strings in the source is terrible
slow and error prone. And with the next version of mailman I
will have to throw away most of my work.
This is a great piece of software. With support for i18n it
would be perfect. ;o)
BTW: I have to do the work anyway, so if I could help... Next week
I will start to teach myself Python.
Kind regards,
Armin
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From barry@digicool.com Wed Nov 22 05:02:26 2000
From: barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:02:26 -0500
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Towards 2.1
Message-ID: <14875.21346.357211.669599@anthem.concentric.net>
There have been lots of great discussion on mailman-developers about
the directions Mailman should be taking. This is all very cool stuff
(and I want it to continue), but I view it as being more for Mailman
3.0, for which I have no time frame at the moment.
Now that 2.0 final is imminent[*], I'd also like to open up some
discussion about what we want to see in 2.1. My hard commitment, long
overdue, is to integrate Juan Carlos's and Victoriano's I18N work.
Juan Carlos has sent me patches, which I intend to start unpacking and
looking at, probably after the US Thanksgiving holiday weekend. I'd
also like to start using some of the nicer Python 2.0 features to
clean up the code in places.
Other than that, I'd like to get people's feedback on the really
crucial stuff that needs to get fixed for 2.1. I want to keep to a
bare minimum anything that requires re-architecting, pushing that into
3.0 after more discussions. I'd like to try to get a 2.1 beta out by
the end of the year, with 2.1 final some time in January. I don't
know if that's realistic or not.
From the TODO list, things I can imagine tackling for 2.1 include:
- Plain text digests should conform to RFC 1153.
- If a message has MIME parts and the header/footer is going to be
added, the message should be transformed into a mulitpart/mixed
with the header and footer added as text/plain parts.
(note that this will require improving Python's standard MIME
message handling. b.bum astutely observes that it
basically sucks right now and fixing this dovetails with work i
want to do for Python 2.1 as well).
- Allow "urgent" postings to all members by the list admin which
bypasses normal digest delivery.
- A button that will bundled and deliver a digest Right Now.
- Allow the list-admin to require approvals for unsubs
- Allow the user to be excluded from postings if they're getting
them in the to: or cc: headers. Be smarter about filtering out
duplicate deliveries.
- Allow users to subscribe without selecting a password and have
Mailman create a password for them.
- Allow the site admin to define list styles or themes, and list
admins to choose one of the canned styles to apply to their
list.
- Full creation, deletion, renaming, etc. of lists through the web
(and email?), including fixing aliases file updates.
- add_members should have a switch to disable admin notifications
- Allow individuals to turn off password reminders
- Don't use the first public mailing list as the `originator' of
password reminders.
- Provide an email interface to all administrative commands
- Add -join and -remove addresses for easy subscription,
unsubscription
- For email subscribes, keep an audit of where requests are coming
from, and send the original request headers in the confirmation
message. Helps track down subscribe bombs.
- Support the `which' command.
- archive link should do *something* reasonable before the first
message has been posted to the list.
We should also do /something/ about qrunner, but again, I want to
keep radical changes to a minimum. Stability is crucial, but
performance counts too. Maybe Chuq's idea of splitting the queue
into 3 parts can be done without much disruption.
I don't think /everything/ can be done for 2.1, and maybe other people
have different priorities. I'm going to keep this list up-to-date on
the Mailman2.1 Wiki:
http://www.zope.org/Members/bwarsaw/MailmanDesignNotes/MailmanTwoDotOne
Feel free to contribute.
-Barry
[*] The astute observer will notice the tarball on SourceForge
already. I'm waiting for the mirror sites to update, but will
announce tomorrow even if they don't.
From darrell@grumblesmurf.net Wed Nov 22 23:04:26 2000
From: darrell@grumblesmurf.net (Darrell Fuhriman)
Date: 22 Nov 2000 15:04:26 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Towards 2.1
In-Reply-To: barry@digicool.com's message of "Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:02:26 -0500"
References: <14875.21346.357211.669599@anthem.concentric.net>
Message-ID:
barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
> >From the TODO list, things I can imagine tackling for 2.1 include:
I would like to see a couple things added.
1) the patch I wrote to sort the list and break it up in chunks
when passed to the mailer -- FWIW, I've been using it since I
wrote it without problems, surely others have, too. Like I said
earlier, at worst, it's an innocuous feature, but in general it
does benefit delivery performance.
2) In pipermail, I'd like to be able to define HTML tags that can
be wrapped around non-important parts of the particular message.
Specifically, this is to enable you to exclude certain parts of
the message from indexing, such as navigation information. (I'm
thinking specifically of the
tags.
That is, of course, a rather obscure feature. :)
Darrell
From Dan Mick Thu Nov 23 02:46:56 2000
From: Dan Mick (Dan Mick)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:46:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Towards 2.1
Message-ID: <200011230245.SAA09389@utopia.west.sun.com>
> barry@digicool.com (Barry A. Warsaw) writes:
>
> > >From the TODO list, things I can imagine tackling for 2.1 include:
>
> I would like to see a couple things added.
>
> 1) the patch I wrote to sort the list and break it up in chunks
> when passed to the mailer -- FWIW, I've been using it since I
> wrote it without problems, surely others have, too. Like I said
> earlier, at worst, it's an innocuous feature, but in general it
> does benefit delivery performance.
I've been using it, and I think I love it. I think it ought to
be optionally added, too.
A pleasant side-effect of the domain sorting is when Hotmail gets
screwed up (once or twice a week), all the hotmail mail bounces at
the same time. :-}
From Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk Thu Nov 23 09:45:12 2000
From: Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk (Nigel Metheringham)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:45:12 +0000
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Re: [Mailman-Developers] Towards 2.1
In-Reply-To: Message from Darrell Fuhriman
of "22 Nov 2000 15:04:26 PST."
Message-ID:
darrell@grumblesmurf.net said:
> 2) In pipermail, I'd like to be able to define HTML tags that can be
> wrapped around non-important parts of the particular message.
> Specifically, this is to enable you to exclude certain parts of the
> message from indexing, such as navigation information. (I'm thinking
> specifically of the tags.
> That is, of course, a rather obscure feature. :)
There is already a patch to do this - its marked as being for htdig,
but all it actually does is inject definable indexer on/off statements
into the generated HTML.
It does assume that your indexer parses are utilises the indexer
tags that already appear in pipermail HTML.
See
https://sourceforge.net/patch/?func=detailpatch&patch_id=102422&group_
id=103
or if that doesn't work, Patch 102422
Nigel.
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From matthias@accelance.fr Thu Nov 23 14:11:24 2000
From: matthias@accelance.fr (Matthias Saou)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:11:24 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] French "templates" for Mailman 2.0
Message-ID: <3A1D258C.7875B47D@accelance.fr>
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Bonjour à tous,
Je suis parti du contenu du dossier "templates" de la version 2.0
(finale) de Mailman, et en m'appuyant sur la traduction de Matthieu
Camus, j'ai refait tout le contenu de ce dossier en français.
Il est donc parfaitement adapté à Mailman 2.0, j'attends vos remarques,
critiques etc dessus si vous en avez.
--
Hi all,
I started off with the "templates" folder from the 2.0 (final) version
of Mailman, and using some work already done by Matthieu Camus, I re-did
the folder's entire content in french.
It should work fine with Mailman 2.0, but I'd appreciate feedback,
critics etc if you have any.
Cheers / Cordialement :-)
Matthias
PS: http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo : 403 Forbidden :-(
--
Matthias Saou
matthias@accelance.fr
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From fmaior@etica.net Tue Nov 28 16:33:01 2000
From: fmaior@etica.net (Fernando Maior)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:33:01 -0200
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] How to begin with localization for Mailman
Message-ID: <3A23DE3D.5050500@etica.net>
Is there a faq for working with i18n for Mailman?
That is the first time I am offering to help in a job in the Net, so I
do not know how to begin.
May be someone can help me with some guidance...
Thanks!
--
Bye,
Fernando Maior
Etica Tecnologia
Linux Training
From vizisz@freemail.hu Thu Nov 30 09:45:30 2000
From: vizisz@freemail.hu (Vizi Szilard)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:45:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Marking the code
Message-ID:
Hello!
My task is to mark the texts in the following files: private.py,
roster.py and subscribe.py
I've had problems marking texts in these files.
The biggest question for me is that in my files there are messages
to the syslog, like this
LogStdErr("error", "private")
Must I mark these texts like the other translatable text?
And the other problem is connected with the form.has.key("something"),
something=UserOptions or Digest or Membership Management, etc.
The problem here is that the "something string" must be marked
and then translated in other files.
So I think I should mark it, but in the other way, it
is a variable (it tells something to form.has.key), and we must not
change any variable.
Opinion, suggestion?
Szilard Vizi
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mailto:vizisz@freemail.hu UIN:10676592
From jcrey@uma.es Thu Nov 30 10:00:41 2000
From: jcrey@uma.es (Juan Carlos Rey Anaya)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:00:41 +0100
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Marking the code
References:
Message-ID: <3A262549.C917CC88@uma.es>
Vizi Szilard wrote:
> =
> Hello!
> =
> My task is to mark the texts in the following files: private.py,
> roster.py and subscribe.py
Uf! I did a mistake sending this message to other person telling:
"Please, stop marking your files. I have done it yet. I want to give
patches to Barry tonight.
Cheers"
Sorry by this mistake :-(
> =
> I've had problems marking texts in these files.
> The biggest question for me is that in my files there are messages
> to the syslog, like this
> LogStdErr("error", "private")
> Must I mark these texts like the other translatable text?
I don not mark strings intented to Mailing list manager.
> =
> And the other problem is connected with the form.has.key("something"),
> something=3DUserOptions or Digest or Membership Management, etc.
> The problem here is that the "something string" must be marked
> and then translated in other files.
> So I think I should mark it, but in the other way, it
> is a variable (it tells something to form.has.key), and we must not
> change any variable.
> =
"something" should not be marked.
BTW: I have discovered a bug in template patches. I told to insert i18n
stuff inside them. Well, in listinfo
must be under i18n stuff, like:
Cheers
-- =
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| Juan Carlos Rey Anaya (jcrey@uma.es) |
| Servicio Central de inform=E1tica |
| Universidad de M=E1laga - Espa=F1a |
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From james@daa.com.au Thu Nov 30 11:10:08 2000
From: james@daa.com.au (James Henstridge)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:10:08 +0800 (WST)
Subject: [Mailman-i18n] Marking the code
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Vizi Szilard wrote:
> Hello!
>
> My task is to mark the texts in the following files: private.py,
> roster.py and subscribe.py
>
> I've had problems marking texts in these files.
> The biggest question for me is that in my files there are messages
> to the syslog, like this
> LogStdErr("error", "private")
You should only be marking user visible error messages. Text for
critical/fatal error messages is best left untranslated. When people send
in bug reports about these sort of problems, we want the developer to be
able to understand them.
If these types of error messages are in a language the developer can't
understand, then they are much less useful.
> Must I mark these texts like the other translatable text?
>
> And the other problem is connected with the form.has.key("something"),
> something=UserOptions or Digest or Membership Management, etc.
> The problem here is that the "something string" must be marked
> and then translated in other files.
It should only be marked where it needs to be translated for display to
the user. If the actual string is set somewhere else, then we might need
something similar to the gettext_noop() dummy function/macro used in C.
> So I think I should mark it, but in the other way, it
> is a variable (it tells something to form.has.key), and we must not
> change any variable.
James.