From 455750938 at qq.com  Sat Apr 21 00:58:44 2018
From: 455750938 at qq.com (=?gb18030?B?y+/WvtPC?=)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 12:58:44 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian
Message-ID: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>

Hello,


I installed mailman3 on debian through the command:


 $ aptitude install mailman3-full


does it need to do further config following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html and http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html ? where is manage.py and settings.py if install from the above command line?


or it is already well configued to use? If yes, how to visit the frontend page? 


I try to follow http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/userguide.html, but it is not so straightforward. During installation thru the command line, it did not ask for creating the first list, so do not know how to change LISTNAME.DOMAIN in http://WEBSERVER/mailman3/lists/LISTNAME.DOMAIN. .


Thank you and regards,


Rex

From mark at msapiro.net  Sat Apr 21 12:06:08 2018
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 09:06:08 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian
In-Reply-To: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
References: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
Message-ID: <5ea53ab0-c9a8-0727-9af5-9cf88dbc9580@msapiro.net>

On 04/20/2018 09:58 PM, ??? wrote:
> 
> I installed mailman3 on debian through the command:
> 
> 
>  $ aptitude install mailman3-full
> 
> 
> does it need to do further config following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html and http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html ? where is manage.py and settings.py if install from the above command line?


You should be following Debian's documentation. If that doesn't exist or
you can't find it, you need to take that up with Debian.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From turnbull.stephen.fw at u.tsukuba.ac.jp  Sat Apr 21 12:42:20 2018
From: turnbull.stephen.fw at u.tsukuba.ac.jp (Stephen J. Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 01:42:20 +0900
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian
In-Reply-To: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
References: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
Message-ID: <23259.27116.22997.121626@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

??? writes:

 > I installed mailman3 on debian through the command:
 > 
 >  $ aptitude install mailman3-full
 > 
 > does it need to do further config

As usual, Mark beat me to it.  I have some advice to add:

First, look for /usr/share/doc/mailman3/README.Debian or a similarly
named file.  I would expect to find documentation explaining how to
get started, specifically for the standard Debian setup, there.

You may get an answer here, so check back in a couple of days, but as
Mark said, since a Debian package is supposed to be configured through
the package manager, this is properly a question for a Debian channel.

 > following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html and
 > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html ?

Unless you are sophisticated in installing software and know your
Debian system well, DO NOT try to follow those instructions by
yourself.  Mixing our instructions with a Debian package install may
create a big mess.

tl;dr: Mailman's generic documentation assumes a "vanilla Unix"
system, and does not necessarily conform to Debian's interpretation of
the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and other parts of the Linux
Standard Base.  There is no guarantee that Debian's package
corresponds to the version described in "latest", especially not in
locations of various files.  There is no guarantee that Debian's
configuration of the webserver looks anything like our generic
configuration, which is similar to the real configuration of the
Mailman 3 server we use.

 > or it is already well configued to use? If yes, how to visit the
 > frontend page?

These are also Debian questions, and should be answered by the
resources mentioned previously.

Regards,

-- 
Associate Professor              Division of Policy and Planning Science
http://turnbull/sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/     Faculty of Systems and Information
Email: turnbull at sk.tsukuba.ac.jp                   University of Tsukuba
Tel: 029-853-5175                 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN

From 455750938 at qq.com  Sun Apr 22 06:31:32 2018
From: 455750938 at qq.com (=?gb18030?B?y+/WvtPC?=)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 18:31:32 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian
In-Reply-To: <23259.27116.22997.121626@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
References: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
 <23259.27116.22997.121626@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <tencent_BFBC3BF9DE3BEB4F43E3A4664A02834B4908@qq.com>

OK, I follow the instruction of /usr/share/doc/mailman3/README.Debian, 


it can visit http://server/mailman3/postorius/lists/, but when login, it says Sever Error (500). in /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log there is a line:
SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'xxx at xx.com': (451, '4.3.0 <xxx at xx.com>: Temporary lookup failure')} 
# xxx at xx.com is superuser email address.


in postfix log file, there is:
Apr 22 18:05:53 mail postfix/smtpd[12870]: error: open database /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or directory
Apr 22 18:05:53 mail postfix/smtpd[12870]: error: open database /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp.db: No such file or directory


how to solve it?


thank you.









------------------ Original ------------------
From:  "Stephen J. Turnbull"<turnbull.stephen.fw at u.tsukuba.ac.jp>;
Date:  Sun, Apr 22, 2018 00:42 AM
To:  "???"<455750938 at qq.com>;
Cc:  "mailman-developers"<mailman-developers at python.org>; 
Subject:  [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian



??? writes:

 > I installed mailman3 on debian through the command:
 > 
 >  $ aptitude install mailman3-full
 > 
 > does it need to do further config

As usual, Mark beat me to it.  I have some advice to add:

First, look for /usr/share/doc/mailman3/README.Debian or a similarly
named file.  I would expect to find documentation explaining how to
get started, specifically for the standard Debian setup, there.

You may get an answer here, so check back in a couple of days, but as
Mark said, since a Debian package is supposed to be configured through
the package manager, this is properly a question for a Debian channel.

 > following http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-core.html and
 > http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/config-web.html ?

Unless you are sophisticated in installing software and know your
Debian system well, DO NOT try to follow those instructions by
yourself.  Mixing our instructions with a Debian package install may
create a big mess.

tl;dr: Mailman's generic documentation assumes a "vanilla Unix"
system, and does not necessarily conform to Debian's interpretation of
the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and other parts of the Linux
Standard Base.  There is no guarantee that Debian's package
corresponds to the version described in "latest", especially not in
locations of various files.  There is no guarantee that Debian's
configuration of the webserver looks anything like our generic
configuration, which is similar to the real configuration of the
Mailman 3 server we use.

 > or it is already well configued to use? If yes, how to visit the
 > frontend page?

These are also Debian questions, and should be answered by the
resources mentioned previously.

Regards,

-- 
Associate Professor              Division of Policy and Planning Science
http://turnbull/sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/     Faculty of Systems and Information
Email: turnbull at sk.tsukuba.ac.jp                   University of Tsukuba
Tel: 029-853-5175                 Tennodai 1-1-1, Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN

From mark at msapiro.net  Sun Apr 22 10:09:12 2018
From: mark at msapiro.net (Mark Sapiro)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 07:09:12 -0700
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian
In-Reply-To: <tencent_BFBC3BF9DE3BEB4F43E3A4664A02834B4908@qq.com>
References: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
 <23259.27116.22997.121626@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
 <tencent_BFBC3BF9DE3BEB4F43E3A4664A02834B4908@qq.com>
Message-ID: <45142f8b-eae4-0ad4-2614-069be3c05819@msapiro.net>

On 04/22/2018 03:31 AM, ??? wrote:
> 
> it can visit http://server/mailman3/postorius/lists/, but when login, it says Sever Error (500). in /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log there is a line:
> SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'xxx at xx.com': (451, '4.3.0 <xxx at xx.com>: Temporary lookup failure')} 
> # xxx at xx.com is superuser email address.
> 
> 
> in postfix log file, there is:
> Apr 22 18:05:53 mail postfix/smtpd[12870]: error: open database /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or directory
> Apr 22 18:05:53 mail postfix/smtpd[12870]: error: open database /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp.db: No such file or directory


Please report these issues to Debian. Otherwise their
package/documentation won't get fixed.

That said, the above errors are because Postfix can't send mail and
there are no Mailman specific Postfix alias files. This is because you
haven't yet created a list.

Try

mailman aliases

This should create the /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains.db and
/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp.db files.

Fixing this may fix the 500 error. If not, we need more info as to what
the issue is. There may be a more detailed error in the web server's
error log or in mailman's log. The latter might be in
/var/lib/mailman3/logs/ or probably somewhere in /var/log/mailman3/
depending on how Debian set this up.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

From simon at hannaweb.eu  Sun Apr 22 16:03:57 2018
From: simon at hannaweb.eu (Simon Hanna)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 22:03:57 +0200
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian
In-Reply-To: <tencent_BFBC3BF9DE3BEB4F43E3A4664A02834B4908@qq.com>
References: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
 <23259.27116.22997.121626@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
 <tencent_BFBC3BF9DE3BEB4F43E3A4664A02834B4908@qq.com>
Message-ID: <b44d5315-85b9-5446-1443-4b020b4a7c59@hannaweb.eu>

On 04/22/2018 12:31 PM, ??? wrote:
> OK, I follow the instruction of /usr/share/doc/mailman3/README.Debian, 
>
>
> it can visit http://server/mailman3/postorius/lists/, but when login, it says Sever Error (500). in /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log there is a line:
> SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'xxx at xx.com': (451, '4.3.0 <xxx at xx.com>: Temporary lookup failure')} 
> # xxx at xx.com is superuser email address.
Did you use a valid email address? From what you describe what is
happening is that the frontend is trying to confirm your email address
but can't deliver it.
It might also be a configuration issue with the MTA you are using. Try
to send an email to that address from the command line on the server.

To work around this particular issue you could do the following:
open a django shell (I don't know where debian puts the manage.py file,
but you should have one):
python manage.py shell

in the shell do the following:
from allauth.account.models import EmailAddress
e = EmailAddress.objects.get(email='xxx at xx.com')
e.verified = True
e.save()


Of course you need to replace the email, with the one you have used.
That should mark the email as verified in the database and let you
login. Note that this is sort of a hack and you should figure out what's
going on there...

From 455750938 at qq.com  Sun Apr 22 21:37:25 2018
From: 455750938 at qq.com (=?gb18030?B?y+/WvtPC?=)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:37:25 +0800
Subject: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian
In-Reply-To: <45142f8b-eae4-0ad4-2614-069be3c05819@msapiro.net>
References: <tencent_ADC1BF24FA9D1AEFD6F5DCA144D23C25FD07@qq.com>
 <23259.27116.22997.121626@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
 <tencent_BFBC3BF9DE3BEB4F43E3A4664A02834B4908@qq.com>
 <45142f8b-eae4-0ad4-2614-069be3c05819@msapiro.net>
Message-ID: <tencent_98A4504A09839D49F23B3FDE28EBE043FE08@qq.com>

Hi Mark,


Thank you.


Yesterday someone from debian list replied me, he asked to do:


$ touch /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_{domains,lmtp}
$ chmod 660 /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_{domains,lmtp}
$ chown list:list /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_{domains,lmtp}
$ postmap /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_{domains,lmtp}


and then it works, I think your solution:
$ mailman aliases
should also work.





------------------ Original ------------------
From:  "Mark Sapiro"<mark at msapiro.net>;
Date:  Sun, Apr 22, 2018 10:09 PM
To:  "mailman-developers"<mailman-developers at python.org>;

Subject:  Re: [Mailman-Developers] mailman3 on debian



On 04/22/2018 03:31 AM, ??? wrote:
> 
> it can visit http://server/mailman3/postorius/lists/, but when login, it says Sever Error (500). in /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log there is a line:
> SMTPRecipientsRefused: {u'xxx at xx.com': (451, '4.3.0 <xxx at xx.com>: Temporary lookup failure')} 
> # xxx at xx.com is superuser email address.
> 
> 
> in postfix log file, there is:
> Apr 22 18:05:53 mail postfix/smtpd[12870]: error: open database /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains.db: No such file or directory
> Apr 22 18:05:53 mail postfix/smtpd[12870]: error: open database /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp.db: No such file or directory


Please report these issues to Debian. Otherwise their
package/documentation won't get fixed.

That said, the above errors are because Postfix can't send mail and
there are no Mailman specific Postfix alias files. This is because you
haven't yet created a list.

Try

mailman aliases

This should create the /var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_domains.db and
/var/lib/mailman3/data/postfix_lmtp.db files.

Fixing this may fix the 500 error. If not, we need more info as to what
the issue is. There may be a more detailed error in the web server's
error log or in mailman's log. The latter might be in
/var/lib/mailman3/logs/ or probably somewhere in /var/log/mailman3/
depending on how Debian set this up.

-- 
Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net>        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan
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