[Mailman-Developers] [GSoC 2014] Cordova/Android App for GNU Mailman Admin Interface
Stephen J. Turnbull
stephen at xemacs.org
Thu Mar 13 02:48:09 CET 2014
Bhargav Golla writes:
> I hope my mail hasn't missed your attention. I would be very much
> obliged if someone could answer this question so that I can go
> ahead and write proposal.
First, it's impolite to send mail to specific people just because
they're answered you before, unless they are specifically interested
in mentoring your project or have requested personal mail. I don't
think either is true (according to the wiki, there are no prospective
mentors for this project -- I'm sure there are some, but they're not
identified). Everybody reads this list, and by addressing them
specifically you may be sending them duplicates. Note: no harm done
this time, but you will be a much more valuable developer if you
become sensitive to these "marginal" "people skills".
Second, you yourself have not responded to a somewhat detailed comment
from Terri about using HTML5. I for one have been waiting for that.
See also the "Postorius Responsive UI" project.
Third, "there's not much here to comment on" is all I really have to
say. From the Subject I can see that you're interested in a handheld
interface. From the text you quote, I see you have a *very* basic
grasp of the requirements of web protocols for this application. You
probably know a heck of a lot more -- but that's all I can confirm
from your posts.
The way you ask is problematic. On the one hand, a GSoC proposal is
not a homework for school. There are no "right" answers, only good
ones and better ones. And you don't have to give a superior answer
immediately to qualify, only show promise of heading in the right
direction. (Of course, there are more students than slots, so you
also have to show more promise than others. But you have another week
or so to improve, and the delta can be in your favor.) On the other,
it's not *one* question. Rather, it has a strong whiff of "please
write half my proposal (the hard half) for me".
So just write your proposal so there's something to actually comment
on.
All that said, "login screens" are way clunky for modern handheld
apps. Users expect a smooth convenient experience. Second, that
experience does not include entering passwords on a frequent basis.
You should look into including TLS authentication. These need not be
present in the initial design, and maybe they won't even be in your
delivered product. But you should think in terms of a design that
allows easy upgrades to the UI.
Steve
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Bhargav Golla <bgolla at g.clemson.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > I have gone through the Admin interface and all functions that can be
> > achieved with the REST API. I intend to have a login screen where a user
> > can enter URL for the REST API endpoint, REST Username and password. We
> > will use this to subsequent authenticate all requests made to fetch
> > subscribers list, domains list, etc.
> >
> > I was wondering if I could get some feedback on this. I will start writing
> > my proposal based on this starting point and list out what all I would
> > features I would be implementing during the period of GSoC.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Bhargav Golla <bgolla at g.clemson.edu>wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. I would have probably missed it out the first time. I will go
> >> through the web UI and also the documentation of REST API to understand
> >> what all functions need to be implemented in the admin interface for a user.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> You will be asked for the create user prompt only the first time you run
> >>> syncdb.That's why you don't see it now.
> >>>
> >>> Once the DB is created, only new tables, specified via django models,
> >>> get added to DB during the syncdb.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Regards,Rajeev S*
> >>> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur*
> >>> *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Bhargav Golla <bgolla at g.clemson.edu>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Rajeev
> >>>>
> >>>> I wasn't asked if I wanted to create a super user when I executed
> >>>> python manage.py syncdb. This was the output I got with syncdb:
> >>>> Creating tables...
> >>>> Installing Custome SQL...
> >>>> Installing indexes...
> >>>> Installed 0 object(s) from 0 fixture(s)
> >>>>
> >>>> I tried python manage.py createsuperuser and was able to login with
> >>>> details I provided there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for your help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992 at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Bhargav,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You will be asked whether to *add a superuser* during *syncdb*. If
> >>>>> you answered no to that, do *python manage.py createsuperuser * and
> >>>>> use that username and password to login.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Regards,Rajeev S*
> >>>>> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur*
> >>>>> *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>*
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Bhargav Golla <bgolla at g.clemson.edu>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Abhilash
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you mean the last step of installation where we do cd
> >>>>>> postorius_standalone;python manage.py syncdb, I wasn't asked for any
> >>>>>> username/password. I checked the settings.py and it doesn't have any
> >>>>>> specific default username/password.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And the http://localhost:8001/3.0 worked for me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Abhilash Raj <raj.abhilash1 at gmail.com
> >>>>>> >wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> > Hi Bhargav,
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > On Wednesday 05 March 2014 07:36 PM, Bhargav Golla wrote:
> >>>>>> > > Thanks for that change Rajeev. I was able to get the Web UI up and
> >>>>>> > running.
> >>>>>> > > I was trying to find out the default Username and password for
> >>>>>> this but
> >>>>>> > was
> >>>>>> > > unable to. When I was exploring docs in mailman.client and some
> >>>>>> config
> >>>>>> > > files in mailman, I found that the default username and password
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>> > admin
> >>>>>> > > is restadmin and restpass. Tried that and was out of luck there
> >>>>>> too.
> >>>>>> > Could
> >>>>>> > > you help me with the default username and password details?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > While setting up Postorius(the web UI) when you do 'python manage.py
> >>>>>> > syncdb' for the first time, it asks you to create admin. You can
> >>>>>> log in
> >>>>>> > using those credentials. 'restadmin' and 'restpass' are the
> >>>>>> credentials
> >>>>>> > for the mailman rest server.
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > > Also, there is a using.txt doc in mailman.client which says we
> >>>>>> can make
> >>>>>> > the
> >>>>>> > > REST requests by connecting to http://localhost:9001/3.0 using
> >>>>>> username
> >>>>>> > and
> >>>>>> > > password. Should the URL be http://localhost:9000/3.0 for this
> >>>>>> example
> >>>>>> > or
> >>>>>> > > would it be any different?
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > AFAIK it is 'http://localhost:8001/3.0'. (Try it once. If I am
> >>>>>> wrong
> >>>>>> > please someone correct me)
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > Thanks
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Rajeev S <rajeevs1992 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> > >> Hi Bhargav,
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> Just do *mailman start*, without the bin.
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> I have edited the wiki.
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> *Regards, Rajeev S*
> >>>>>> > >> *Government Engineering College,Thrissur*
> >>>>>> > >> *http://rajeevs.tk <http://rajeevs.tk>*
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Bhargav Golla <
> >>>>>> bgolla at g.clemson.edu
> >>>>>> > >wrote:
> >>>>>> > >>
> >>>>>> > >>> Thanks Barry and Terri for your feedback.
> >>>>>> > >>> I was trying to install Postorius locally and analyze what all
> >>>>>> would be
> >>>>>> > >>> required in a mobile app for Admin. Doing the same, I have hit a
> >>>>>> > >>> roadblock.
> >>>>>> > >>> I am using the wiki provided here[1]. I tried to install
> >>>>>> mailman using
> >>>>>> > >>> "set
> >>>>>> > >>> up sources" part of the wiki. Though python setup.py install
> >>>>>> executes
> >>>>>> > >>> without any errors, I am unable to see the folder bin/ in the
> >>>>>> same
> >>>>>> > >>> directory. So, even though I proceed with further setup, I am
> >>>>>> getting a
> >>>>>> > >>> "Mailman REST API not available. Please start mailman core" on
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>> > >>> localhost:8000 webpage. Could anyone help me here?
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>> [1]
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/A+5+minute+guide+to+get+the+Mailman+web+UI+running
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>> Thanks
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Terri Oda <terri at toybox.ca>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> On 2014-02-28, 7:36 AM, Bhargav Golla wrote:
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>>> I have a few questions regarding this idea.
> >>>>>> > >>>>> 1. I intend to develop it on Cordova since it will help in
> >>>>>> porting
> >>>>>> > the
> >>>>>> > >>> app
> >>>>>> > >>>>> easily to multiple platforms. Were there any ideas in this
> >>>>>> directions
> >>>>>> > >>>>> regarding going native or hybrid?
> >>>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> Personally, I'd prefer if we went hybrid and had an html5
> >>>>>> webapp that
> >>>>>> > >>>> could be used straight over the web for mobile users who don't
> >>>>>> want to
> >>>>>> > >>>> install an app, with Cordova used to build the individual
> >>>>>> platform
> >>>>>> > >>> apps. I
> >>>>>> > >>>> may not be the mentor on this one, though, so I'm happy to
> >>>>>> defer to
> >>>>>> > >>> whoever
> >>>>>> > >>>> the final mentor is on this front.
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> Incidentally, I've been using Intel's XDK for building Cordova
> >>>>>> apps
> >>>>>> > >>> lately
> >>>>>> > >>>> and highly recommend it for quick testing on various platforms
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> > >>> screen
> >>>>>> > >>>> sizes. I've found it a very useful tool, and not just because
> >>>>>> I work
> >>>>>> > >>> for
> >>>>>> > >>>> Intel now!
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> 2. Can I assume that all mailing lists built by Mailman
> >>>>>> support the
> >>>>>> > >>> REST
> >>>>>> > >>>>> interface? Also, I have tried to see if I can get JSON
> >>>>>> responses and
> >>>>>> > I
> >>>>>> > >>> am
> >>>>>> > >>>>> unable to by adding a HTTP Accept Header to take
> >>>>>> "application/json".
> >>>>>> > >>> Am I
> >>>>>> > >>>>> doing anything wrong or is JSON not implemented?
> >>>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> I don't know the answer to this off the top of my head: Barry?
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> 3. As a starter, could I ignore internationalization for
> >>>>>> GSoC, but
> >>>>>> > >>>>> implement interface in such a way as to be able to
> >>>>>> internationalize
> >>>>>> > it
> >>>>>> > >>>>> easily?
> >>>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> We don't expect you to actually translate anything, don't
> >>>>>> worry. :)
> >>>>>> > But
> >>>>>> > >>>> you should definitely build as much as possible so that
> >>>>>> > >>>> internationalization will be easy: make sure there's a quick
> >>>>>> way to
> >>>>>> > get
> >>>>>> > >>> a
> >>>>>> > >>>> list of strings that need translation, at least. Some of the
> >>>>>> strings
> >>>>>> > >>> may
> >>>>>> > >>>> be already translated in other components of Mailman, so you
> >>>>>> may be
> >>>>>> > >>> able to
> >>>>>> > >>>> get some translations to use to test if you have time at the
> >>>>>> end of
> >>>>>> > the
> >>>>>> > >>>> summer for internationalization.
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>> Terri
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>>
> >>>>>> > >>> --
> >>>>>> > >>> Bhargav Golla
> >>>>>> > >>> M.S Computer Science
> >>>>>> > >>> Github <http://www.github.com/bhargavgolla> |
> >>>>>> > >>> LinkedIN<http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhargavgolla>
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> >>>>>> > >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> > --
> >>>>>> > Abhilash Raj
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
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> >>>>>> M.S Computer Science
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Bhargav Golla
> >>>> M.S Computer Science
> >>>> Github <http://www.github.com/bhargavgolla> | LinkedIN<http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhargavgolla>
> >>>> | Website <http://www.bhargavgolla.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bhargav Golla
> >> M.S Computer Science
> >> Github <http://www.github.com/bhargavgolla> | LinkedIN<http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhargavgolla>
> >> | Website <http://www.bhargavgolla.com/>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bhargav Golla
> > M.S Computer Science
> > Github <http://www.github.com/bhargavgolla> | LinkedIN<http://www.linkedin.com/in/bhargavgolla>
> > | Website <http://www.bhargavgolla.com/>
> >
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