[Mailman-Developers] UI for Mailman 3.0 update
Barry Warsaw
barry at list.org
Mon Jun 7 20:46:34 CEST 2010
On Jun 05, 2010, at 07:52 PM, Geoff Shang wrote:
>I realise that Mailman 3.x will make it possible to create multiple UIs,
>as the functionality will be separated from the UI. However, it is also
>my experience that alternate/specialised UIs can and do go unmaintained,
>and as such it is my hope that the (or at least a) standard UI shipped by
>default with Mailman will provide the needed accessibility.
>
>So this is one of the reasons why I'm on this list, to keep an eye on
>developments and hopefully provide some feedback when a test server
>becomes available.
That's great Geoff, we appreciate all your help in understanding the issues
and driving toward a ui that's at least as usable as the MM 2.1 interface is.
I have a general question though: given that Mailman 3 will be scriptable, is
that a better long term solution than screen scraping? We still need to work
out the security model for public access (i.e. OAuth, a proxy to the internal
admin interface, etc), but I think it'll be very cool to write the scripts you
want and actually interact with Mailman without using a wui.
>1. At least one UI with no *necessary* javascript. Maybe this won't be
>the main UI, but as a person who uses the Linux console with a text-mode
>browser, I like the fact that I can quickly fire up my browser to deal
>with a moderator request with no fuss. Given that a package like
>Squirrelmail can operate completely without Javascript if the user
>chooses, this should surely be possible.
+1. We want links/lynx users to be able to use the site.
>2. Proper use of the label tag in association with form elements. This
>was (or seemed to be done) fairly well for the most part, with the
>exception of those checkboxes I mentioned, but I'd hate to see this lost.
>What this means in practice is that screen readers will read the
>appropriate label text when focusing upon a form element.
>
>There's probably other important stuff, but this is all that comes to mind
>right now.
>
>Other non-accessibility-related things which I think are worth considering
>are:
>
>1. More useful archives with search capability. I'm sure this is on a
>dozen wishlists.
Indeed. :) You know that song by the Bare Naked Ladies? Well, if *I* had a
million dollars, I'd write a killer new open source mail archiver. :)
>2. A friendlier front page per list. Surely having 3 forms on the front
>page (or is it 4?) is a bit intimidating to some.
Definitely.
>I've got some other feature requests based on 2.1.x functionality but I'll
>post that somewhere else more appropriate.
Looking forward to it!
-Barry
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