From barry at python.org Wed Jun 1 00:44:29 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:44:29 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Min requirements for running Mailman? In-Reply-To: <1117488166.5353.4.camel@angua.localnet> References: <9B66BBD37D5DD411B8CE00508B69700F05ADE362@pborolocal.rnib.org.uk> <1094740291.348.321.camel@finch.boston.redhat.com> <1094741310.29998.20.camel@angua.localnet> <1117483654.4385.118.camel@geddy.wooz.org> <1117488166.5353.4.camel@angua.localnet> Message-ID: <1117579469.12684.28.camel@geddy.wooz.org> On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 17:22, Nigel Metheringham wrote: > You can do 2.0.13 -> 2.1.x where x <= 3 (from memory), but not direct to > 2.1.5 I did a simple upgrade from 2.0.14 to 2.1.6 and it went through just fine. However I only updated a single mailing list, so it's possible something broke with the other data file that get updated. I search the open bugs for related issues and found SF bug #949117, which is now fixed in CVS. There are two other possible bugs still open that might be related #998384 and #1041791. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/attachments/20050531/53b81ada/attachment.pgp From barry at python.org Wed Jun 1 01:13:44 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:13:44 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Suspending subscribers on vacation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117581224.12679.48.camel@geddy.wooz.org> On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 09:08, Bj?rn Vermo wrote: > It is a problem that some people think it is cool to automatically > generate "out of office" messages when they are away, especially when they > are subscribed to high-volume lists. Is there an easy way to have Mailman > temporarily unsubscribe them when it receives one of those messages? If you could figure out a foolproof way to parse such messages, you could theoretically add that to the bounce detection stuff. Then you'd just charge them a bounce and they'd get disabled normally after a little while. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/attachments/20050531/b98bd806/attachment.pgp From tobias at kabissa.org Thu Jun 2 10:25:51 2005 From: tobias at kabissa.org (Tobias Eigen) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:25:51 +0000 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: [NOSI discussion] Summer of Code Message-ID: Hi everyone, Saw this on the NOSI discussion list - perhaps of interest to Mailman developers? Cheers, Tobias > Hi > > Not sure if people know about Google's 'Summer of Code' scheme: > > "The Summer of Code is a program in which student developers are > provided > with a stipend to create new open source programs or to help currently > established projects. Google will be working with a variety of open > source, > free software and technology related groups to identify and fund up to > 200 > projects over a 3 month time span." > > There's information for potential mentoring organisations at: > [http://code.google.com/mentfaq.html] > > The deadline is quite short though - 14 June. > > Thanks > > Simon Pavitt > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 > > _______________________________________________ > NOSI-discussion-nosi.net mailing list > NOSI-discussion-nosi.net at nosi.net > http://lists.nosi.net/listinfo.cgi/nosi-discussion-nosi.net From jbebel at ncsu.edu Thu Jun 2 15:59:41 2005 From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:59:41 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] withlist fix_url.py error Message-ID: <429F10CD.1060002@ncsu.edu> I'm getting an error that is just beyond my abilities to interpret. This is on debian sarge, running mailman 2.1.5. This actually worked just a bit ago, and now I'm getting this. I'm just not sure where to look for what changed. talon:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r fix_url.py trilug Importing fix_url... Running fix_url.py()... Traceback (most recent call last): File "./withlist", line 275, in ? main() File "./withlist", line 250, in main func = getattr(mod, callable) AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'py' What's going on here? Thanks, Joel From msapiro at value.net Thu Jun 2 16:09:12 2005 From: msapiro at value.net (Mark Sapiro) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 07:09:12 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] withlist fix_url.py error In-Reply-To: <429F10CD.1060002@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: Joel Ebel wrote: >I'm getting an error that is just beyond my abilities to interpret. >This is on debian sarge, running mailman 2.1.5. This actually worked >just a bit ago, and now I'm getting this. I'm just not sure where to >look for what changed. > >talon:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r fix_url.py trilug >Importing fix_url... >Running fix_url.py()... >Traceback (most recent call last): > File "./withlist", line 275, in ? > main() > File "./withlist", line 250, in main > func = getattr(mod, callable) >AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'py' > > >What's going on here? Don't use the .py extension. Use talon:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r fix_url trilug -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From jbebel at ncsu.edu Thu Jun 2 16:16:56 2005 From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] withlist fix_url.py error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429F14D8.20106@ncsu.edu> Thanks! That did it. I must have been doing it right before and just wasn't paying attention this time. Joel Mark Sapiro wrote: > Joel Ebel wrote: > > >>I'm getting an error that is just beyond my abilities to interpret. >>This is on debian sarge, running mailman 2.1.5. This actually worked >>just a bit ago, and now I'm getting this. I'm just not sure where to >>look for what changed. >> >>talon:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r fix_url.py trilug >>Importing fix_url... >>Running fix_url.py()... >>Traceback (most recent call last): >> File "./withlist", line 275, in ? >> main() >> File "./withlist", line 250, in main >> func = getattr(mod, callable) >>AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'py' >> >> >>What's going on here? > > > Don't use the .py extension. Use > > talon:/var/lib/mailman/bin# ./withlist -l -r fix_url trilug > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > From geuzaine at acm.caltech.edu Thu Jun 2 16:56:18 2005 From: geuzaine at acm.caltech.edu (Christophe Geuzaine) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:56:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Pipermail HTML file modification times Message-ID: <429F1E12.5080209@acm.caltech.edu> When using a search engine to index Pipermail archives, it is very useful if the modification time of each individual HTML file corresponds to the actual time when the message was sent. This permits to easily sort search results by message dates. Unfortunately, when archives are regenerated using 'arch', the modification time of all the HTML files is reset to the current time. Here is a trivial patch that always sets the modification time of the HTML files to the message date: --- HyperArch.py.orig 2005-05-31 20:02:40.000000000 +0200 +++ HyperArch.py 2005-05-31 20:02:45.000000000 +0200 @@ -1295,3 +1295,4 @@ os.umask(omask) f.write(article.as_html()) f.close() + os.utime(filename, (int(article.date), int(article.date))) What do you think? (If you want to see how this information can be used in practice, try for example the "last modified date" link on one of my web site's results page: http://geuz.org/search/search-geuz.cgi?q=extrude) Cheers, Christophe -- Christophe Geuzaine Applied and Computational Mathematics, Caltech geuzaine at acm.caltech.edu - http://geuz.org From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jun 2 17:33:36 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:33:36 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: [NOSI discussion] Summer of Code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 8:25 AM +0000 2005-06-02, Tobias Eigen wrote: > Saw this on the NOSI discussion list - perhaps of interest to Mailman > developers? We should be creating the summerofcode at python.org mailing list in the near future (like, I hope to be able to get that done sometime today), for discussion of these topics as they relate to Python and Python-related projects (such as Mailman). I'll post here when I've been able to get that done. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From brad at stop.mail-abuse.org Thu Jun 2 20:06:08 2005 From: brad at stop.mail-abuse.org (Brad Knowles) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:06:08 -0500 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: [NOSI discussion] Summer of Code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 10:33 AM -0500 2005-06-02, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 8:25 AM +0000 2005-06-02, Tobias Eigen wrote: > >> Saw this on the NOSI discussion list - perhaps of interest to Mailman >> developers? > > We should be creating the summerofcode at python.org mailing list in > the near future (like, I hope to be able to get that done sometime > today), for discussion of these topics as they relate to Python and > Python-related projects (such as Mailman). Okay, the list has technically been created, but you folks probably want to wait until David Ascher has had a chance to get the list configured the way he wants. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From barry at python.org Thu Jun 2 20:46:15 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: [NOSI discussion] Summer of Code In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117737974.23596.42.camel@geddy.wooz.org> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 14:06, Brad Knowles wrote: > Okay, the list has technically been created, but you folks > probably want to wait until David Ascher has had a chance to get the > list configured the way he wants. I've subscribed to the list. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/attachments/20050602/c5176db0/attachment.pgp From jdennis at redhat.com Wed Jun 8 20:18:17 2005 From: jdennis at redhat.com (John Dennis) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.5 README files replaced by admin/www in 2.1.6? Message-ID: <1118254697.2716.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm packaging the 2.1.6 release and just want to sanity check something. The following readme files which were in 2.1.5 have been removed in 2.1.6. I assume this is because they've been superceded by the 2.1.6 documentation in admin/www/mailman-install. Correct? README.BSD" README.EXIM" README.LINUX" README.MACOSX" README.POSTFIX" README.QMAIL" README.SENDMAIL" -- John Dennis From barry at python.org Wed Jun 8 20:37:33 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:37:33 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] 2.1.5 README files replaced by admin/www in 2.1.6? In-Reply-To: <1118254697.2716.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118254697.2716.124.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118255853.5067.51.camel@geddy.wooz.org> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 14:18, John Dennis wrote: > I'm packaging the 2.1.6 release and just want to sanity check something. > The following readme files which were in 2.1.5 have been removed in > 2.1.6. I assume this is because they've been superceded by the 2.1.6 > documentation in admin/www/mailman-install. Correct? > > README.BSD" > README.EXIM" > README.LINUX" > README.MACOSX" > README.POSTFIX" > README.QMAIL" > README.SENDMAIL" Correct! -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 307 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/attachments/20050608/feaa8be6/attachment.pgp From tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp Fri Jun 10 02:02:40 2005 From: tkikuchi at is.kochi-u.ac.jp (Tokio Kikuchi) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:02:40 +0900 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] ValueError: unpack list of wrong size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A8D8A0.5070403@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Hi, Daniel Lyons wrote: > Tokio, > > I came across your message to the mailman users list from a year ago. I > just received a "ValueError: unpack list of wrong size" error in > Mailman, and I wanted to give you the offending message in case you are > still the maintainer of Scrubber.py. > > The offending message is attached. > Looks like the offending line was this: Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="Today's Headlines- C.I.A. Is Reviewing Its Security Policy for R"; filename*1="ecruiting Translators.jpg" Note that RFC2231 encoding specifies "'" as a special character for delimiting charset'lang'content. The sender's MUA should have encoded "'" as "%27". See: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2231.html Of course, Mailman and Python email package should be robust for such violation. I need more time to fix this. Cheers, -- Tokio Kikuchi, tkikuchi@ is.kochi-u.ac.jp http://weather.is.kochi-u.ac.jp/ From barry at python.org Fri Jun 10 04:30:00 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:30:00 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Users] ValueError: unpack list of wrong size In-Reply-To: <42A8D8A0.5070403@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> References: <42A8D8A0.5070403@is.kochi-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: <1118370599.10281.109.camel@presto.wooz.org> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 20:02, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > > > I came across your message to the mailman users list from a year ago. I > > just received a "ValueError: unpack list of wrong size" error in > > Mailman, and I wanted to give you the offending message in case you are > > still the maintainer of Scrubber.py. > > > > The offending message is attached. > > > > Looks like the offending line was this: > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename*0="Today's Headlines- C.I.A. Is Reviewing Its Security > Policy > for R"; filename*1="ecruiting Translators.jpg" > > Note that RFC2231 encoding specifies "'" as a special character for > delimiting charset'lang'content. The sender's MUA should have encoded > "'" as "%27". > > See: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2231.html > > Of course, Mailman and Python email package should be robust for such > violation. I need more time to fix this. Is there a bug open on Python's SF bug tracker about this? If not, please open one and assign it to me. That doesn't mean you can't help fix it, but I'm tracking the email package and will be responsible for getting it into the various appropriate Python branches. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It it patch 1160353 in the Sourceforge Mailman patch repository. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1160353&group _id=103&atid=300103 If anyone has any feedback on it, I'd love to hear it,since this is my first attempt at creating a patch. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at sympatico.ca The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about other things as well. From barry at python.org Fri Jun 17 16:06:25 2005 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: LinuxWorld Expo 2005 .Org Village London] Message-ID: <1119017184.21563.25.camel@geddy.wooz.org> Once again, I will not be able to attend, but if anybody is going and would like to help represent the Mailman project, please let myself and Brian know. -Barry -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Take note in particular of the project homepage (http://www.bisharat.net/PanAfrLoc). This announcement is also posted on the Kabissa site at http://www.kabissa.org/gong_gong/ict_news/casablanca_statement.html It would be interesting to discuss where Mailman fits into this picture. Best wishes, Tobias Begin forwarded message: > From: "Donald Z. Osborn" > Date: June 21, 2005 10:52:57 AM EDT > To: AFRIK-IT at LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Subject: Casablanca Statement on ICT Localisation in Africa > Reply-To: "African Network of IT Experts and Professionals (ANITEP) > List" > > The PanAfrican Localisation workshop held in Casablanca, June 13-15, > brought > together localisation experts and representatives of localisation > projects from > various countries in Africa and some beyond. We considered the state of > localisation on the continent, key issues, and ideas for facilitating > and > advancing localisation efforts. The meeting also produced a brief > declaration > (below). URLs for the sponsoring and collaborationg agencies and for > the > project webpage follow. (Pardon the cross-posts.) > > Don Osborn > Bisharat.net > Coordinator of the PanAfrican Localisation Project > > > > Pan African Localisation Workshop > > Casablanca Statement > > African localisation experts met in Casablanca in a workshop organised > by > Kabissa with Bisharat under IDRC funding, and in collaboration with > MTDS and > the Casablanca Technopark centre. The event benefitted from > contributions from > the Moroccan Minister-Delegate to the Prime Minister in Charge of > General and > Economic Affairs, the Canadian Ambassador to Morocco, and experts from > other > continents. > > After three days of work, the participants in the meeting reached the > following > conclusions: > * Limiting people to the use of information and communication > technology (ICT) > in a foreign language tends to exacerbate the digital divide; makes ICT > adoption long, difficult, and expensive; and impoverishes local > culture. > * Localisation makes ICT more accessible to everybody, including users > from > rural areas and young students, reinforcing the importance of our > culture and > helping us preserve our identity. > * Localisation of ICT into indigenous African languages is therefore > key to > rapid and fair development in Africa. > * For localisation to succeed and have its maximum impact in society, > collaboration among governments, civil society, educators, linguists, > computer > professionals, standards organisations and development agencies is > necessary. > > We, the participants, commit ourselves to promoting this vision and > working > towards social development in Africa through ICT localisation. > > > Casablanca, 15 June 2005 > > > > IDRC http://www.idrc.ca/ > Kabissa http://www.kabissa.org/ > Bisharat http://www.bisharat.net/ > MTDS http://www.mtds.com/ > Casablanca Technopark http://www.casablanca-technopark.ma/ > PanAfrican Localisation Project http://www.bisharat.net/PanAfrLoc > > For further information, write: bisharat at bisharat.net From wheakory at isu.edu Thu Jun 23 17:03:45 2005 From: wheakory at isu.edu (Kory Wheatley) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:03:45 -0600 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Mailman filter question Message-ID: <42BACF51.2040300@isu.edu> Question can you setup in Mailman 2.1.5 for a particular subject header sent to a Mailman mailing list to be filtered and only sent to the list Owner and not to any of the subscribers. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please restrict this kind of question exclusively to the mailman-users mailing list. -- Brad Knowles Python.org Postmaster Team From lists05 at equinephotoart.com Fri Jun 24 21:18:18 2005 From: lists05 at equinephotoart.com (JC Dill) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:18:18 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Head's UP - we changed administrivia settings for the mailman-users and -dev lists Message-ID: <42BC5C7A.5020101@equinephotoart.com> Because the mailman-users and mailman-developers lists frequently discuss administrivia matters and because most users on these lists know how to properly email the list server for administrivia tasks, most administrivia filter matches to these lists are false positives. We have just changed the list config to no longer try to filter out administrivia requests. When you send email to unsubscribe or otherwise change your list settings be *extra* careful to send your request to the server address and not the list submission address, lest your mistake go out to the whole list. (You probably won't like the flames this is likely to produce.) jc - volunteer assistant list admin for -users and -dev From mss at mawhrin.net Fri Jun 24 22:09:31 2005 From: mss at mawhrin.net (Mikhail Sobolev) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:09:31 +0400 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Head's UP - we changed administrivia settings for the mailman-users and -dev lists In-Reply-To: <42BC5C7A.5020101@equinephotoart.com> References: <42BC5C7A.5020101@equinephotoart.com> Message-ID: <20050624200931.GA19203@mawhrin.net> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 12:18:18PM -0700, JC Dill wrote: > Because the mailman-users and mailman-developers lists frequently > discuss administrivia matters and because most users on these lists know > how to properly email the list server for administrivia tasks, most > administrivia filter matches to these lists are false positives. > > We have just changed the list config to no longer try to filter out > administrivia requests. 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There are occasionally postings to the list that have words like "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the first five lines or so, but which are perfectly valid postings. And yes, the result is that there should be fewer messages which have to be approved by the moderator volunteers. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From lists05 at equinephotoart.com Sat Jun 25 07:52:19 2005 From: lists05 at equinephotoart.com (JC Dill) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:52:19 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] Head's UP - we changed administrivia settings for the mailman-users and -dev lists In-Reply-To: References: <42BC5C7A.5020101@equinephotoart.com> <20050624200931.GA19203@mawhrin.net> <1119645314.20206.28.camel@geddy.wooz.org> Message-ID: <42BCF113.8060402@equinephotoart.com> Brad Knowles wrote: > At 4:35 PM -0400 2005-06-24, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >>> Just out of curiosity, what was the reason of the change? Does it >>> drastically decrease the server load or the something else? >> >> I think it's primarily to reduce the workload of the volunteer >> moderators. > > There are occasionally postings to the list that have words like > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the first five lines or so, but which > are perfectly valid postings. > > And yes, the result is that there should be fewer messages which > have to be approved by the moderator volunteers. In many cases the poster is actively working on a problem and posts the question hoping to get help right away (i.e. in the next hour or so). If the message is held for moderator approval it may not get approved and posted on to the list for several hours, or even a day or two if all owners/moderators are particularly busy that day or it's a weekend and we aren't checking non-essential email as often, etc. So while an occasional administrivia post may get thru due to this change, it also means that on-topic posts that false-positive trigger the administrivia filter will now be sent on to the list in a more timely fashion. jc (now you have heard from all 3 of us, Barry, Brad, and JC :-) From dallas at dreamhost.com Thu Jun 30 21:06:54 2005 From: dallas at dreamhost.com (Dallas Bethune) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:06:54 -0700 Subject: [Mailman-Developers] blank Cc header? Message-ID: <366743AE-0C0E-4D45-8B4C-41B0B1EBE192@dreamhost.com> One of our users reported that Mailman (2.1.5) sometimes adds blank Cc headers and he sent in a link to this patch to the debian version that claims to fix it: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/ browse_thread/thread/38a0746dc3dcae28/8c4d983e785d5548?q=mailman% 20cc&rnum=2#8c4d983e785d5548 I searched around on sourceforge and the mailman faq wizard and google and didn't see any other mention of it. Does anyone know about this? Is there an existing patch outside of Debian? Dallas