[Mailman-Developers] [Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>] Re:Bounceremoval parameters default values

[Bob Puff at NLE]

Ah, didn't realize he was using cpanel.  Yeah, it does ALL SORTS of non-standard stuff.  I'm on the 
Interchange list (shopping cart), and they flat out won't support anyone using cpanel.

Bob

Dallas Bethune wrote:
> I think the issue is that CPanel sort of takes over your machine and 
> handles all the major configuration and it does not support VERP 
> configurations.  I've never used CPanel so I don't know the specifics, 
> but I believe that's the issue.
> 
>     Dallas
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:
> 
>> Unless I am missing something here, why don't you just enable verp in 
>> your MTA?  Postfix, Sendmail, Exim, and Qmail all support it.  What's 
>> the big deal?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Somuchfun wrote:
>>
>>> This is not the point here, J.C.
>>> The important point is the fact that mailman did introduce a new way of
>>> handling bounces without a way to opt-out of this new way. Normally 
>>> every
>>> software package that introduces a new way of doing a certain task 
>>> (opposed
>>> to a complete new functionality) there is an option to opt-out and 
>>> continue
>>> "the old way" until all proper changes have been done.
>>> Take cPanel for example, they have still not gotten around to make the
>>> proper adjustments to their highly complex environment and they are used
>>> hundreds of thousands of times around the world by web hosting 
>>> companies.
>>> Right now people are unsubscribed because of this all over the place 
>>> for no
>>> apparent reason (from the view of the user). The only way to not end 
>>> up in
>>> trouble in this environment is to turn off bounce handling completely in
>>> mailman 2.1.5
>>> So looking at this, do you still think it was wise to introduce VERP 
>>> bounce
>>> probes by default and by force with no choice?
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>> MANA TANGATA
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 
>>>> 2004 5:58 PM
>>>> To: John W. Baxter
>>>> Cc: mailman-developers at python.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Greg Stark <gsstark at mit.edu>] 
>>>> Re:Bounceremoval parameters default values
>>>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:48:21 -0700 John W Baxter 
>>>> <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/1/2004 9:57, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> They can of course always gain that same time and more by
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> simply not
>>>>
>>>>>> upgrading.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Which is decidedly NOT encouraged by this snippet from Barry's 2.1.5
>>>>> announcement:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  This version also contains a fix for an exploit that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> could allow 3rd
>>>>
>>>>>  parties to retrieve member passwords.  It is thus highly
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> recommended
>>>>
>>>>>  that all existing sites upgrade to the latest version.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yup, of such hard choices are upgrades made.
>>>>
>>>> Of course Mailman passwords are also not the most significant things in
>>>> the computing universe.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> J C Lawrence
>>>> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
>>>> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
>>>> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>>>>
> 
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