[Mailman-Developers] [Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>] Re:Bounceremoval parameters default values

[Somuchfun]

This is not the point here, J.C.
The important point is the fact that mailman did introduce a new way of
handling bounces without a way to opt-out of this new way. Normally every
software package that introduces a new way of doing a certain task (opposed
to a complete new functionality) there is an option to opt-out and continue
"the old way" until all proper changes have been done.
Take cPanel for example, they have still not gotten around to make the
proper adjustments to their highly complex environment and they are used
hundreds of thousands of times around the world by web hosting companies.
Right now people are unsubscribed because of this all over the place for no
apparent reason (from the view of the user). The only way to not end up in
trouble in this environment is to turn off bounce handling completely in
mailman 2.1.5
So looking at this, do you still think it was wise to introduce VERP bounce
probes by default and by force with no choice?

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MANA TANGATA 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:58 PM
> To: John W. Baxter
> Cc: mailman-developers at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Greg Stark 
> <gsstark at mit.edu>] Re:Bounceremoval parameters default values 
> 
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:48:21 -0700 
> John W Baxter <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:
> > On 7/1/2004 9:57, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
> 
> >> They can of course always gain that same time and more by 
> simply not
> >> upgrading.
> 
> > Which is decidedly NOT encouraged by this snippet from Barry's 2.1.5
> > announcement:
> 
> >   This version also contains a fix for an exploit that 
> could allow 3rd
> >   parties to retrieve member passwords.  It is thus highly 
> recommended
> >   that all existing sites upgrade to the latest version.
> 
> Yup, of such hard choices are upgrades made.
> 
> Of course Mailman passwords are also not the most significant 
> things in
> the computing universe.
> 
> -- 
> J C Lawrence
> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
> 
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