[Mailman-Developers] Hotmail - claims mail loop
Mike Holderness
mch at cix.compulink.co.uk
Tue Jul 29 02:02:00 EDT 2003
'Scuse me asking in mailman-developers, but I think it's
where I'm most likely to get an answer.
I'm running a list on mailman 2.0.6 with what I think is a
generic setup - it's on the machine of a small ISP and not
under my control. [CC: support at gn.apc.org - who will be as
interested as I to find out what's going on.]
A subset of users at hotmail.com are generating error
messages as below.
I have looked in the archive and found the HellMail
thread in mailman-users. But this list isn't set up
like the one discussed there. It has:
"Hide the sender of a message, replacing it..." = FALSE
"Where are replies to list messages directed?" = This list
A default-setting Hotmail account <uksubstest at hotmail.com>
that I set up for testing received the welcome message and
four subsequent messages OK, then bounced as recorded below.
Hotmail claims a loop, but I see no evidence of one...
though it does seem to be bouncing around a lot inside
the ISP's machines.
One odd thing is that there are 27 hotmail users subscribed,
and only the 15 listed below are bouncing.
Other lists that I run on the same host have the same
settings as above and seemed to be getting through
to hotmail last week, though they're much lower-traffic.
Can someone who understand SMTP properly scan the following
and provide me with a clue?
Is the only answer to direct replies to the individual
sender, and attempt to indoctrinate users with the resulting
changes? (These are sub-editors - line-editors in Westpondian
- so they're not all very good at precise readings when not
paid so to be!)
Mike Holderness
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