Oops, I forgot to tell you how to get the tarball. You can down load it from any of these urls: ftp://www.python.org/pub/mailman/mailman.tar.gz http://www.list.org/mailman.tar.gz http://download.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0beta3.tgz It will also hopefully soon be available on ftp.gnu.org. Cheers, and G'Night. :) -Barry