[Mailman-Developers] Monthly reminder Errors-To etc

[John A. Martin]

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It must be my mistake because otherwise there would be a hue and cry
by now if all Mailmans (Mailmen? :-)) were doing the same.

My Mailman-1.1 sent monthly reminders thus

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Return-Path: <mailman-owner@venice.essential.org>
Delivered-To: jam@jamux.com
Received: from milan.essential.org (milan.essential.org [216.0.124.12])
	by athene.jamux.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD3448031
	for <jam@jamux.com>; Wed,  1 Nov 2000 05:01:39 -0500 (EST)
Received: from venice.essential.org (venice.essential.org [216.0.124.17])
	by milan.essential.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06070
	for <jam@essential.org>; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:01:38 -0500
Received: from venice.essential.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by venice.essential.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC46429B60
	for <jam@essential.org>; Wed,  1 Nov 2000 05:01:37 -0500 (EST)
From: mailman-owner@venice.essential.org
Subject: lists.essential.org mailing list memberships reminder
To: jam@essential.org
X-No-Archive: yes
Precedence: bulk
X-Mailman-Version: 1.1
Precedence: bulk
List-Id: Promoting new uses of agricultural residue... <ag-res.lists.essential.org>
Message-Id: <20001101100137.DC46429B60@venice.essential.org>
Date: Wed,  1 Nov 2000 05:01:37 -0500 (EST)
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the bogus "List-Id being a known problem creating a minor annoiance.
Now my shinny new Mailman-2.0 sent them thus[1]

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Return-Path: <ababa-admin@venice.essential.org>
Delivered-To: jam@jamux.com
Received: from milan.essential.org (milan.essential.org [216.0.124.12])
	by athene.jamux.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728B14800B
	for <jam@jamux.com>; Fri,  1 Dec 2000 05:02:06 -0500 (EST)
Received: from venice.essential.org (venice.essential.org [216.0.124.17])
	by milan.essential.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29820
	for <jam@essential.org>; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 05:02:05 -0500
Received: from venice.essential.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by venice.essential.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9418729BA8
	for <jam@essential.org>; Fri,  1 Dec 2000 05:02:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: lists.essential.org mailing list memberships reminder
From: mailman-owner@venice.essential.org
To: jam@essential.org
X-No-Archive: yes
X-Ack: no
Sender: ababa-admin@venice.essential.org
Errors-To: ababa-admin@venice.essential.org
X-BeenThere: ababa@lists.essential.org
Precedence: bulk
Message-Id: <20001201100205.9418729BA8@venice.essential.org>
Date: Fri,  1 Dec 2000 05:02:05 -0500 (EST)
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with the bogus envelope sender, "Errors-To" and header-sender
presumably causing <ababa-admin@venice.essential.org> to be inundated
with delivery error notices.

Is this an error that has crept into my Mailman configuration, or is
this what Mailman will do until the item on the To Do list is
resolved?

I am making an unadvertised aaaaa-list hoping to shield
<ababa-admin@venice.essential.org> from a repeat performance.  Will
this work?


ALSO, when the problem of the monthly reminders is worked upon I urge
again for a X-Addressed-To or some such header field to help
understand those delivery error notifications from AOL and many
universities that, correctly IMHO, attempt to reduce the exposure of
potentially private information by excluding the original message body
from delivery error notices.  Add recipient address munging and
without some counter measure such a delivery error notice is useless.

	jam


Footnotes: 
[1]  To protect the innocent, I have replaced the name of the
alphabetically first mailing list on this Mailman with a fictions list
name.


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