[Mailman-Developers] Fwd: Re: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] smtplib

[Tomaz Borstnar]

This mail might help making Mailman more standards compliant. We all want 
that, right?

>X-From_: mea@nic.funet.fi  Wed Jun  2 15:15:26 1999
>Subject: Re: Fwd: [Mailman-Users] smtplib
>From:   Matti Aarnio <mea@nic.funet.fi>
>To:     tomaz.borstnar@over.net (Tomaz Borstnar)
>Date:   Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:14:20 +0300 (EET DST)
>
>
>         Yes ?
>
>If mailman really does that, then it is as bad as M$ WinCE, which does
>same incorrect SMTP address productionn, but I don't recall having seen
>that problem.  (a bit of web-browsing -- to locate the Mailman homepages,
>etc..)
>
>Ok, I pulled in the current Mailman 1.0rc1 source, and found
>following at it (Mailman/pythonlib/smtplib.py):
>
>     def mail(self,sender,options=[]):
>         """SMTP 'mail' command -- begins mail xfer session."""
>         optionlist = ''
>         if options and self.does_esmtp:
>             optionlist = string.join(options, ' ')
>         self.putcmd("mail", "FROM:%s %s" % (quoteaddr(sender) ,optionlist))
>         return self.getreply()
>
>     def rcpt(self,recip,options=[]):
>         """SMTP 'rcpt' command -- indicates 1 recipient for this mail."""
>         optionlist = ''
>         if options and self.does_esmtp:
>             optionlist = ' ' + string.join(options, ' ')
>         self.putcmd("rcpt","TO:%s%s" % (quoteaddr(recip),optionlist))
>         return self.getreply()
>
>
>Ok, the problem can be at how the  quoteaddr()  works, does it
>*always* yield addresses *with* "<...>" around them, or can it
>sometimes yield those without the wrappers ?
>
>I would suggest it to always yield the target address *without*
>the "<..>" angle brackets, and then always to print those explicitely.
>That way there won't be some mystic cases where failures happen.
>
>
>Another problem I have seen reports about are due to  putcmd()
>function misbehaviour (belief that "all the world is Sendmail"):
>
>     def putcmd(self, cmd, args=""):
>         """Send a command to the server."""
>         str = '%s %s%s' % (cmd, args, CRLF)
>         self.send(str)
>
>That FORCES extra space in case the 'args' does not exist for some
>command (e.g. "DATA").  It should not.
>
>The more I read the mailman documents, the more I am convinced that
>its coders use 'sendmail' as standard for how the RFC-821 can be
>ignored/abused.  You really should have somebody running e.g. ZMailer
>in 'strict' mode, which will quickly weed out any protocol non-compliance.
>
>OTOH: For ZMailer there are also better ways to submit a message, than
>       doing it thru SMTP port.  Methods that are way faster, and easily
>       codable in Python (I have a sample in PERL, and in C, of course.)
>
>   /Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@sonera.fi>
>
> > >X-From_: mailman-users-admin@python.org  Tue Jun  1 19:08:56 1999
> > >Date:   Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:13:26 -0400 (EDT)
> > >From:   Dave Sill <ds-list-mailman@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov>
> > >To:     mailman-users@python.org
> > >Subject: [Mailman-Users] smtplib
> > >X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 "20 Minutes to Nikko" XEmacs Lucid (patch 2)
> > >Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, Tenn., USA
> > >X-Face:
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> > >X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my 
> employer
> > >Sender: mailman-users-admin@python.org
> > >X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc1
> > >List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org>
> > >X-BeenThere: mailman-users@python.org
> > >
> > >It looks like Mailman does:
> > >
> > >     MAIL FROM:mailman-owner@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov
> > >
> > >instead of:
> > >
> > >     MAIL FROM:<mailman-owner@sws1.ctd.ornl.gov>
> > >
> > >I wonder what other SMTP corners were cut.
> > >
> > >-Dave
> > >
> > >------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> > ----
> > Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar@over.net>
> > "Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown
> >

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Tomaz Borstnar <tomaz.borstnar@over.net>
"Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown