[Mailman-Developers] -admin mail loop

[Scott]

Wouldn't it make sense to have the -admin address NOT set the envelope
sender to -admin, but to pass the original envelope sender through?  

If this change was made, any person who mailed a -admin address that
was down would receive the error message (rather than the defunct
-admin address receiving its own error messages ). 

If a subscriber address were to become defunct and bounce, then the
error message directed to the -admin address would have <> or mailer
daemon or some such as the envelope sender.  If the -admin address is
defunct and preserved the original envelope sender, then the doubly
bounced message would bounced back to the mailer daemon of the
original error reporting MTA, which again wouldn't cause a loop or
present any unusual problems.

The question then is how would it effect messages automatically sent
to the -admin address by mailman itself?  Messages to approve or deny
questionable post requests, and/or sending the passwords to the
-admin address (if the option is set) would have to have an envelope
sender set to something other than the -admin address. here we have a
few options: 

1) set the envelope sender to mailman-owner:  this is intuitive, since
   it is mailman itself generating these messages.  It is also a much
   safer bet that the mailman-owner address is functional than that
   all the -admin addresses are functional.

2) set the envelope sender to <listname>-request.  This is also sortof
   intuitive since this class of messages are requests regarding the
   list.  However, when messages to a -admin address bounce, the error
   message would be directed back to the -request address, which I
   believe would in turn respond to the mailer daemon of the MTA
   reporting the error with the -admin address.  Confusing, but still
   no nasty mail loops like some of us have experienced.

3) set the envelope sender to a (new) system-wide -admin delivery
   error collecting address. something like
   mailman-owner-admin-errors.  This would gracefully collect all the
   error messages in one place for examining.  I don't like the look
   of "mailman-owner-admin-delivery-error-collector" or anything else
   I can think of with this functionality as an alias though.


If we settle on a solution, I'll volunteer to do the coding.  IMO the
best of the above 3 options is #1.

scott


On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 04:29:01PM -0400, Scott wrote:
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| Should this be happening?
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| scott
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| On Fri, Sep 18, 1998 at 03:35:56PM -0400, Scott wrote:
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| | I set up mailman recently (v.1.0b5) with python v1.5.1 and administor
| | the site.   There is a list run on the site with 3 list
| | administrtors.   One administrators mailbox filled up, and error
| | messages went back to the -admin address, causing a mailloop. 
| | 
| | What's the status on -admin address bounce control?  Anything I can do
| | to help further it along?
| | 
| | scott
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